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That would account for last night (Saturday night). But what about Friday night? There was no concert that night. And it was closed all night. I'm sure a lot of money would have been made too. BTW how was the concert? I was occupied with a DC contact and kept her away from the strip.My source that's there on a everyday basis said that D'Latina has not been rendering unto Caesar that belongs to Cesar and there a strong possibility.
They may not reopen.
Thanks. I am an older dude so I don't have any "swag" (whatever that is) and I don't speak much Spanish. So I guess I'm just going to keep learning Spanish and act cocky and stick to my 1500 peso limit.
Even if 99 chicas reject this method there are another 99 in the area so it shouldn't be a problem.Lou32, I deeply apologize if I offended you in anyway with my response. Swag is just a term for the way a person carry themselves; you know the way you dress, act, and attitude. It's nothing negative just a slang term. I myself am above the 1/2 century mark, so I'm no spring chicken either, and when in public, I conduct myself as such. I've been doing this for over 20 yrs, but sometimes I still need enlightenment on certain things. I thought that you wanted some advice "Chica conduct" 101, but I guess you got it. Again I apologize for sticking my nose where it doesn't belong. Peace.
Her toes are too short. And my experience with chicks with short toes is that their pussy isn't as good as chicks with long toes; especially chicks who have the second toe longer than the big toe. .So do you carry a measuring device with you such a ruler, tape measure, or caliper which you use, or is it a totally visual assesment of their toe lengths from which you make your selections?
Chris Bigdog
06-15-14, 20:11
I have always heard that people with the 2nd toe longer than the first has regal lineage. But as a guide for judging good poon, there's a first.
So do you carry a measuring device with you such a ruler, tape measure, or caliper which you use, or is it a totally visual assesment of their toe lengths from which you make your selections?
Called Tomjackin's girl and she is on the way now.You bastard! I'm completely heartbroken! I will never return to Sosua!
She said I was her only one and I love her; I send her $500 a month!
And if you believe all that, yes; there is that bridge I have been trying to sell.:p
Lou32, I deeply apologize if I offended you in anyway with my response. Swag is just a term for the way a person carry themselves; you know the way you dress, act, and attitude. It's nothing negative just a slang term. I myself am above the 1/2 century mark, so I'm no spring chicken either, and when in public, I conduct myself as such. I've been doing this for over 20 yrs, but sometimes I still need enlightenment on certain things. I thought that you wanted some advice "Chica conduct" 101, but I guess you got it. Again I apologize for sticking my nose where it doesn't belong. Peace.No, man I wasn't offended. I appreciate what you wrote. I guess my confidence will grow as I learn more Spanish. As it is, I can't approach the true hot ones with confidence if I can't even speak to them.
Mr Enternational
06-16-14, 07:07
On the strip Saturday night there were a lot of girls and a lot of guys. But I noticed that hardly any guys are leaving with girls. Classico was open and I know it was 100 for women because some random chick came and asked me for 100 to go in. Many people came out complaining that it was packed shoulder to shoulder. One guy came out and asked if I was going in. I told him no. He was looking for someone to give his wristband to so they wouldn't have to pay. But I can count on one hand the number of dudes that I saw with chicks. The guys are in groups with their friends and the girls are in groups with their friends, and nary the twain cross.
Also there was some Haitian guy named Joe (says he lives there) selling name bracelets and begging for money saying he needed money for a hotel. Dude you are a grown man. You look quite the fool asking another man to help you pay for your living quarters. I'm just here for the women personally. Crazy ass reports coming tomorrow that include GFE and the police being called. Stay tuned!
P.S. I left Wrx's crib tonight and went over to try that Terra Linda pizza. Molvida was already closed. Now I'm back in Puerto Plata for more non-pro time.
On the strip Saturday night there were a lot of girls and a lot of guys. But I noticed that hardly any guys are leaving with girls. Classico was open and I know it was 100 for women because some random chick came and asked me for 100 to go in. Many people came out complaining that it was packed shoulder to shoulder. One of the advantages of the upstairs Classico disco is that it is enclosed and air-conditioned, so that means that no smoking is allowed inside. In the DR smoking is allowed in semi-open restaurants and bars, but not in enclosed buildings.
Recently it was a problem in Latino Drink or whatever it is called, because they were allowing people to smoke cigars, etc. Indoors, which was making quite a few other people sick with respiratory infections and so on. A friend of mine who is a full time resident of Sosua was planning to speak to the mayor's office about this, but whether he did or not, I'm not sure. I must ask him.
Whether this in any way contributed to the closure, I cannot say, but I suppose it might just have been one element of noncompliance.
Anyway, I do like the upstairs Classico disco, though one would not want to be in there if a fire broke out.
I know that all of the girls out at the bars on a weekend night are working and available.
But when you weed out the 5's and 6's who are grabbing at you what is the best way to approach the aloof, fine girls who are certain to quote a higher price?
I'm guessing that most guys stick to their offer range even after repeatedly getting shot down with the hopes that the "no" chica will mosey back your way later with a "yes" if her business is slow.
My fear, of course, is that by driving a hard bargain and waiting I get to see the true honeys walk out of the bar / disco with other fellas as the night grows old.
Any advice for this newbie?Disregard all this business about 5's and 6's and price and first decide which chica you are most attracted to, then talk to them in whatever words of Spanish you know, plus sign language, plus simple English. At least learn enough Spanish to say something like "Wow, you are beautiful". In any case they will know exactly what you are after.
Disregard whether they are attractive or not, because it is simply a matter of opinion as to which chicas are the hottest. The chica I want to get my hands on could be your 5 for all I know. And even the most stunning chica in your opinion may be quite ordinary once you strip away the makeup, the hair weaves, the padded bra, the stretch marks, the disco clothes, the high heels, and the beer goggles.
Character and personality are probably more important than looks alone when it comes to finding a good bed partner, though obviously all of us have particular physical types whom we find more attractive and will tend to focus on them.
So first find the chica you want and then start thinking about how much you are willing to pay her. 1500 pesos with the possibility of 500 pesos extra for superior performance for short time should get almost any of them to your room. You might get them for a bit less depending on many other factors, but I would not be inclined to go over that price if the chica is an unknown quantity, because of the risk of poor performance at the business end of the transaction increases when you are paying a premium.
In any case, don't burn your bridges. Negotiate in a friendly manner and if you can't reach an agreement on price, there will be plenty more who will. And if you are there for a few days, the one with whom you failed to reach an agreement may come around later or on the next day. Many of the girls may have grown up together, be sisters or cousins, or just know many other chicas, and they talk among themselves more than you will know, so it is not a good idea to get a reputation as an asshole as it will work against you.
Been whatsapping a DC chica for a few weeks. Normally I like to arrange hookups with DC chicas within a week after meeting them on the site. My plan was for her to come on the weekend. She tried to push for the duration of my stay. And I wanted to be practical. Don't need to be on lockdown. Especially in Sosua. Last night is a good example of why.
I bumped into a chica that caught my attention near the entrance of my apt complex. She was sitting with the security guard, who happened to be her father. She was looking and smiling so I asked her to come here. I was a little apprehensive at 1st because her father, the security guy has seen me bring numerous women home, or met them at the gate. Or saw me leave with them.
I dismissed those concerns quickly and got her number. My DC chica was already in my spot so I couldn't do anything with her that moment. Thats the drawback to having traveling company.
So from June 11 arrival started off with 2 of my regulars. Then DC chica shows up on Sat June 14. Saturday mostly in my spot with DC chica, then Sunday we drive to Saboneta and Gaspar Hernandez to meet her friends. This chica was super affectionate and seemed like the type to take care of a man and the household. So for 2 days, total GFE and passionate bedroom work.
She took the early Caribe Tours bus back to Santiago today Monday. Had an afternoon session with my restaurant playa chica. That went as usual with her whining about having to do something with her bambino in puerto plata. Just a ploy trying to get more money. Bear in mind she is the same chica who lied about being bed ridden in the hospital with la gripe a little more than a week ago. Even sent an audio message of her coughing and then laughing at the end. Even she couldn't keep a straight face with the fake cough. And she sent a photo of her laying in her own bed with a sheet covering her street clothes. Supposed to be in the clinic. Oh well can't expect any better from some of them.
After much back and forth apprehensive communication on her part, the chica I met in the courtyard last night is scheduled to come tonight. Sounds like she doesn't want be a one night affair. If she has reservations of getting busy tonight, that will work out just fine. I don't think I have any leche for her anyhow.
To be continued. . . .
Disregard all this business about 5's and 6's and price and first decide which chica you are most attracted to, then talk to them in whatever words of Spanish you know, plus sign language, plus simple English. At least learn enough Spanish to say something like "Wow, you are beautiful". In any case they will know exactly what you are after.
Disregard whether they are attractive or not, because it is simply a matter of opinion as to which chicas are the hottest. The chica I want to get my hands on could be your 5 for all I know. And even the most stunning chica in your opinion may be quite ordinary once you strip away the makeup, the hair weaves, the padded bra, the stretch marks, the disco clothes, the high heels, and the beer goggles.
Character and personality are probably more important than looks alone when it comes to finding a good bed partner, though obviously all of us have particular physical types whom we find more attractive and will tend to focus on them...Great answer, Frannie.
I like your style. No, I'm not looking to be a jerk during tough negotiations and your point about leaving the door open for the same chica to come back the next night with a better offer is a good one to remember.
Thanks
Been whatsapping a DC chica for a few weeks. Normally I like to arrange hookups with DC chicas within a week after meeting them on the site. .I arrived 19 days ago and had 5 DC Chicas lined up to meet with the intention of adding some new ones to the stable but didn't get past the first one who turned out to be Haitian. After meeting this Haitian I ended up not meeting the other 4 DC Chicas and after spending some time with 2 DC Chicas from the stable I cut them loose. My experience with Haitians in the past had been mixed with the ones I met on the Strip. Seems like a lot of the Haitians who have had kids have 'saggy tits' and some of their hygiene habits could be better. I've spent several nights with this Haitian DC Chica and she is getting anywhere between 3 to 5 leches out of me a night which for a guy over 6 decades old is a testament to the fever she's infected me with. My buddy's here who have met her all want to get in her pants. She's dresses nice, has great manners, can speak 3 languages and knows her way around the bedroom. Twenty nine years old with no kids and no saggy tits, also tight as a drum. She even wakes me up in the middle of the night to get it on. This is my last night here and the saddlebags are almost empty. I have the fever!
Tempoecorto
06-17-14, 05:03
I've spent several nights with this Haitian DC Chica and she is getting anywhere between 3 to 5 leches out of me a night All I can say is "wow". I am kinda envious. Not so much that you have such a chick which of course is a great thing to happen to a man but that you have such a deep reserve that you can draw upon when in need. Good going!
Great answer, Frannie.
I like your style. No, I'm not looking to be a jerk during tough negotiations and your point about leaving the door open for the same chica to come back the next night with a better offer is a good one to remember.
ThanksOh, and another thing. Don't let on to them that you are a "monger" or that you read an Internet board about Sosua. As far as they are concerned you may just be a visitor, a tourist, a guy looking for a place to retire to, a future resident, visiting a friend who lives in town, or whatever. They don't know your personal business, so don't tell them stuff they don't need to know. Sometimes it can be a good idea to play hard to get and not appear to be overeager. "What me and you? Are you crazy? Do you know how old I am? I don't have any money for this. Etc. " Of course it is all bullshit, but it adds to the fun.
I arrived 19 days ago and had 5 DC Chicas lined up to meet with the intention of adding some new ones to the stable but didn't get past the first one who turned out to be Haitian. After meeting this Haitian I ended up not meeting the other 4 DC Chicas and after spending some time with 2 DC Chicas from the stable I cut them loose. My experience with Haitians in the past had been mixed with the ones I met on the Strip. Seems like a lot of the Haitians who have had kids have 'saggy tits' and some of their hygiene habits could be better. I've spent several nights with this Haitian DC Chica and she is getting anywhere between 3 to 5 leches out of me a night which for a guy over 6 decades old is a testament to the fever she's infected me with. My buddy's here who have met her all want to get in her pants. She's dresses nice, has great manners, can speak 3 languages and knows her way around the bedroom. Twenty nine years old with no kids and no saggy tits, also tight as a drum. She even wakes me up in the middle of the night to get it on. This is my last night here and the saddlebags are almost empty. I have the fever!
Yep she has your number!
After dropping off my DC chica on her way back to Santiago, I stopped in Charimicos to see a group of dominicans that work there. After that went to the playa to lounge and have lunch. I got a nice shaded lounge chair, sat back and enjoyed the view. A couple of nice looking chicas and little girl were lounging next to me. Both doable, but I was not on the prowl. Just there to relax. Whip out my electronic gadgets to listen to some music and to catch up with everybody who had been texting or calling.
It was great not having female company. Just at the beach enjoying the day. I have been quite fond of fresh coconut juice lately. So I have a nice cold coconut with a straw. Im thinking. "This doesnt get any better than this" Nearby I see Milagros the massage lady, tending to a client. Afterwards she comes over to say Hello,. Milagros is a 40 plus lady, but I still think she is doable. All we have is a fraintanceship (friend and acquaintance, I made that up years ago). Milagros aint giving up no juice. At least not until you establish being her novio or esposa. To which I'm not interested in going that far just to get in her pants. So for now, a fraintance is what we have.
Anyway, I am desperately in need of a corrective pedicure. The last pedicure that I had was in May. The Haitian chica at the salon near the Britannica restaurant jacked up my toes the last time. Thought she would do a better job since she had an electric tool. All she did is fuck up my toe nails with that blasted tool! Now with Milagros, she is usually making money off of tourists, so I know her prices are inflated. But since we know each other, and she says I'm Dominican now, she says I won't pay a lot. See I don't mind paying 500 pesos for a service, but let me offer it as a propina, not you trying to gouge me at the start. 300 pesos for the pedicure. Plus she put stuff on my feet to disinfect and avoid bacteria. Gave her 500 pesos and beverages.
While relaxing I texted my security guys daughter (the one I met in the courtyard). She shot back a text saying she can't use the phone while she is working. She works at some residence complex way up in the hills. Called Mulatto. She lives in Sosua Bajo. By 6 pm got her to agree to come see me. Told her I'd pick her up at the Texaco station. Did that, and now we head to my spot. "Are you hungry?" "No". Off to my spot. Watch a little TV, sip a little Baileys. Then I told her she works very hard, and she looks like she could use a massage. I told her only a massage and kisses, no more. She said okay.
She went to shower, laid on the bed, and I proceeded to give a very slow relaxing, hopefully sensual massage. After about 30 minutes, it was clear she was getting in the mood. Probably was in the mood, the moment a foreigner (ME) took her number Sunday night. But I'd like to believe, what I was doing in the moment was getting her in the mood. Girl was a very passionate kisser. I was trying to not go for the juice, but I just couldn't resist. And would have been mad at myself later, telling myself, "what were you thinking?" "You are in the DR" "You better go for it now homie".
If she didn't want to fuck, I'm sure I would have never been able to take those panties off. She had some strong ass legs. But she helped me take them off like her legs were greased with butter. I love that! Thats another thing. I like being able to undress a woman. So often with enough of these putas, them muggs get undressed at the blink of an eye. In the shower and in the bed. No foreplay, no pretending to play hard to get. Just straight up ready to go to work. Don't get me wrong, I like that too, but sometimes I want things to go a little slower.
This chicas juice box was wetter than almost any chica I can remember of late. There was no doubt in my mind, she wasnt going to let me sleep tonight without putting in some work. I wasnt complaining, I was very aroused and ready. As affectionate and passionate as she was, I kinda thought she was going to pounce on me in the morning. Instead she just kept cuddling, rubbing me and kissing me. About 6 she got up, showered and I drove her way up the mountain in Sosua to go to work. A woman with an actual job, now that's a twist for me. She does have 3 kids as well. That is not an ideal situation for me. On the other hand, I love the spontaneity of being in the DR. This chica wasnt even on the menu. But a chance meeting materialized into a very nice evening. Thats the calm. Lets see if there's a storm to come down the road. The DC chica from Santiago may have some competition.
I arrived 19 days ago and had 5 DC Chicas lined up to meet with the intention of adding some new ones to the stable but didn't get past the first one who turned out to be Haitian. After meeting this Haitian I ended up not meeting the other 4 DC Chicas and after spending some time with 2 DC Chicas from the stable I cut them loose. My experience with Haitians in the past had been mixed with the ones I met on the Strip. Seems like a lot of the Haitians who have had kids have 'saggy tits' and some of their hygiene habits could be better. I've spent several nights with this Haitian DC Chica and she is getting anywhere between 3 to 5 leches out of me a night which for a guy over 6 decades old is a testament to the fever she's infected me with. My buddy's here who have met her all want to get in her pants. She's dresses nice, has great manners, can speak 3 languages and knows her way around the bedroom. Twenty nine years old with no kids and no saggy tits, also tight as a drum. She even wakes me up in the middle of the night to get it on. This is my last night here and the saddlebags are almost empty. I have the fever!Is this chica with you during the day as well as the night? If you and her are together day and night, are you getting the urge yet to get with other women? What else do you both enjoy doing together? With me, both of the recent women I've been with, they were great in and out of bed. But at some point, I would or could get bored. I would want to take a week or so off, and get with them later. I feel that way with my Sosua regulars. Certain times I look forward to being by myself, or hanging with friends.
Ipanema Carioca
06-17-14, 19:20
Is this chica with you during the day as well as the night? If you and her are together day and night, are you getting the urge yet to get with other women? What else do you both enjoy doing together? With me, both of the recent women I've been with, they were great in and out of bed. But at some point, I would or could get bored. I would want to take a week or so off, and get with them later. I feel that way with my Sosua regulars. Certain times I look forward to being by myself, or hanging with friends.Pay them to go home. The good thing about cutting a deal with a girl for money is she goes home after the fucking and goes out the door so you can fuck another. From my experience there are two types of women in Sosua, short-term and long-term, the former wants her money up front and may or may not be a repeater, and the latter will cost you in the end, The long-term girl, usually a Haitian who can't work for not having a cedula and doesn't want to be a hoe on the strip, will stay with you and cupcake, massage and all the wifey stuff to get a big gift, Western Union money and all the girlfriend benefits. These girls mainly go for the Europeans, like Germans. The GFE experience, of which they are good at, costs you more money in one way and saves you money another way that benefits them. When you eat with a long-term girl, she follows you obediently where ever you go and eat whenever you eat, which both doubles your eating and snacking bill but cuts you off from other chicas, especially if she lives a long way from Sosua with limited transportation options.
Like you said Wrx2005, I would get bored with the same chica. My buddy and I met two Haitians on the beach. He like his chica a lot. Her cousin was ok, but the two girls live together and run together. They were with us the last 3-4 days of my 9 day trip. They asked for no money, but we gave them 1,000 pesos every other day, and at the end they got all the stuff we bought and can't carry back to the US and 2-3,000 pesos from each of us, which is not a lot of money for all the sexual favors. However, we're getting the "mi amor" messages and calls. I'm ignoring mine, because I'm not trying to get tied up on my upcoming trip. I have a bunch of numbers I randomly got from all over Sosua of fuckable chicas.
I'm a serial fucker, and not a trying to get an unemployable Haitian, who needs money from a boyfriend for her and her family in Haiti. As fine of their bodies and as well as they can fuck, the Haitian girl's money options are not the same as a Dominican. For a Haitian to be better educated and speak 3 languages, her money options are less than a Dominican who cannot speak and doesn't know sign language. So watch that Haitian game or Haitian fever.
I really like GFE you get better sex when the girls know and like you. Sport fucking gets old very fast. I enjoy not being rushed. With the short time girls they are out of the room before your dick drys off. Nothing wrong with it but it ends very fast.
Ipanema Carioca
06-17-14, 23:10
I really like GFE you get better sex when the girls know and like you. Sport fucking gets old very fast. I enjoy not being rushed. With the short time girls they are out of the room before your dick drys off. Nothing wrong with it but it ends very fast.I see your point OldKool.
looks like rumba is closed now. no intel on why, but it is closed. i guess that accounts for the higher volume of chicas i see now walking around this afternoon early evening. also amet police have been extremely aggressive stopping and confirep001ing motor bikes, towing cars, and ticketing non seat belted drivers.
Chris Bigdog
06-18-14, 00:00
a good friend who has a lot of contacts on the ground points out that the closing of any one bar is of less concern that the near completion of the women's prison. one bar closes, they go to the next, they start getting arrested for being on the street. now that is a game changer.
looks like rumba is closed now. no intel on why, but it is closed. i guess that accounts for the higher volume of chicas i see now walking around this afternoon early evening. also amet police have been extremely aggressive stopping and confirep001ing motor bikes, towing cars, and ticketing non seat belted drivers.
looks like rumba is closed now. no intel on why, but it is closed. i guess that accounts for the higher volume of chicas i see now walking around this afternoon early evening. also amet police have been extremely aggressive stopping and confirep001ing motor bikes, towing cars, and ticketing non seat belted drivers.seat belt tickets! wow!
what happens if you don't have id with you?
damn, i wish the higher volume street walkers happened when i was there.
so if the facilities close, what will happen to the girls?
or is sosua itself one big facility?
Don Antonio
06-18-14, 00:49
Well, they were arrested, was it, three years ago? Let go the next morning after maybe 8 h, plus limited holding capacity in the tank.
The new women's prison changes two things: (I) it advertises with a 48 h hold; (II) much larger capacity.
So, even if they scooped up 40 chicas on a Saturday night previously. Who cared? For every fallen one, there would be two replacements right away.
Now if they are able to scoop up and accommodate even 150. That will make a sizable dent.
PS: I have no idea about the capacity of the new facility.
A good friend who has a lot of contacts on the ground points out that the closing of any one bar is of less concern that the near completion of the women's prison. One bar closes, they go to the next, they start getting arrested for being on the street. Now that is a game changer.
A good friend who has a lot of contacts on the ground points out that the closing of any one bar is of less concern that the near completion of the women's prison. One bar closes, they go to the next, they start getting arrested for being on the street. Now that is a game changer.I've seen many changes over the years. I was hanging in Sosua long before Rumba and D'Latin. None of this seems like a big deal to me.
A good friend who has a lot of contacts on the ground points out that the closing of any one bar is of less concern that the near completion of the women's prison. One bar closes, they go to the next, they start getting arrested for being on the street. Now that is a game changer.An expat friend of mine mentioned the womens prison. I think I know whereabouts it's located. Supposed to open around the 1st of July. Maybe they might need a few correction officers? I dont know that line of work, but might be able to adapt. :)
Mr Enternational
06-18-14, 01:35
While relaxing I texted my security guys daughter (the one I met in the courtyard). She shot back a text saying she can't use the phone while she is working. She works at some residence complex way up in the hills. Called Mulatto. She lives in Sosua Bajo. By 6 pm got her to agree to come see me.I can't believe how you macked her down in front of her dad like that. Now I have done it with moms, but I don't mess around with dads. I remember being on the beach in Rio trying that with a chick's mom and the mom cussed me out and told me to go up the street and find some hookers if I wanted a girl. Don't mind if I do lady; don't mind if I do.
This chicas juice box was wetter than almost any chica I can remember of late.And you trying to pass her off to me. I bet now you are glad that I didn't take her off your hands.
Mr Enternational
06-18-14, 01:52
so i went in front of europa because that is where i told tomjackin's girl to meet me. it was 3 am. remember, i had told her before that i would take her the next night for 1800 tln. as soon as we got to the room she started giving me a massage. i wanted to put on some tunes, but it takes my itunes a while to boot up because i have so much music on it. so i asked for a little head while it was booting. she asked for a condom. i said hell no. you are not sucking my dick with a condom miss. she said well go wash it then. i said damn, i just got out the shower a couple of hours ago and my dick is the cleanest thing on my body. i told her that i wanted to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on her too. that confused the shit out of her.
i went to take a shower. when i got out she was naked and ready to get in. before she could get in the shower, i told her to sit on the toilet. i walked up to her holding my dick getting ready to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) down her chest. i really didn't have to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134), but if i did then i would have gone through with it. i went to the bed until she finished her shower. she came back in asking for lotion so she could massage me. she thought i had fallen asleep, but i told her that i was just relaxing and enjoying her touch. then she started playing with my balls and sucking my dick. all i could think about is this is the girl for me. i'm getting ready to save her. whenever i am in sosua i don't want to mess with nobody but her. i was in heaven. it was definitely a 10 on the gfe scale. even had me thinking about adding a tip to the 1800. i snapped out of that tip shit though. on the real this chick was in my dr top 5. we fucked like rabbits and fell off to sleep holding each other.
I can't believe how you macked her down in front of her dad like that. Now I have done it with moms, but I don't mess around with dads. I remember being on the beach in Rio trying that with a chick's mom and the mom cussed me out and told me to go up the street and find some hookers if I wanted a girl. Don't mind if I do lady; don't mind if I do.And you trying to pass her off to me. I bet now you are glad that I didn't take her off your hands.Ya know what was funny? I snuck her in last night. In the morning, my plan was to leave a different way out. I made the mistake of going my usual way out thinking his shift was over and he would be gone, or I wouldn't see him.
Don't you know, he was standing on the other side of the street watching me pass him, with her waving at him. LOL. He is a very quiet older gentleman. Doesn't say much. Dropped her off to work in the morning, and came back. This time I tried to come back through the back alley way. When I got to the electric gate, he was in the parking lot. Dagnabbit. I can't shake this man. I parked the car, walked to my building, and just said buen dia. He responded likewise, and that was the end of it. Saw him early this evening beginning his night shift. Honked as I passed by, and he acknowledged me like he usually does. My guess is, it really isn't that serious.
At 1st she was reluctant about him seeing her, but later she just let it go. As if it wasnt worth going through all this trouble just to avoid being seen. She said her father is her amigo. I wouldn't be surprised if the real deal is, she has a dominican boyfriend or father of her kids is in the picture, and she didn't want her dad seeing her looking like a **** messing with me? Who knows?
I bet now you are glad that I didn't take her off your hands.Yeah I guess you are right. But I wasnt sure if you took her or not. Whoever had her that night, there was still plenty of juice for me.
Manizales911
06-18-14, 09:56
looks like rumba is closed now. no intel on why, but it is closed. i guess that accounts for the higher volume of chicas i see now walking around this afternoon early evening. also amet police have been extremely aggressive stopping and confirep001ing motor bikes, towing cars, and ticketing non seat belted drivers.it's not closed.
Oh, and another thing. Don't let on to them that you are a "monger" or that you read an Internet board about Sosua. As far as they are concerned you may just be a visitor, a tourist, a guy looking for a place to retire to, a future resident, visiting a friend who lives in town, or whatever. They don't know your personal business, so don't tell them stuff they don't need to know. Sometimes it can be a good idea to play hard to get and not appear to be overeager. "What me and you? Are you crazy? Do you know how old I am? I don't have any money for this. Etc. " Of course it is all bullshit, but it adds to the fun.LOL. I can't imagine someone telling a Sosua puta, "Hi, I am a monger who reads an Internet board about you hookers. "
No, even a rookie like me knows that as far as they are concerned I am just a guy visiting a nice little Caribbean town and enjoying the weather and the beach.
It's not closed.Really? Well that's good then. But it appeared to be closed at the time I drove by there yesterday early evening. What I mean is, not open and serving customers.
Conflicting reports on bar closings in Sosua, are disturbing to us fans. Is this just "business as usual" or are there some big changes coming down?
Anybody there at ground zero who can put this stuff in context for us?
TIA.
Seat belt tickets! Wow!
What happens if you don't have ID with you?
Damn, I wish the higher volume street walkers happened when I was there.
So if the facilities close, what will happen to the girls?
Or is Sosua itself one big facility?Seat belt enforcement has been in effect for a while. This didn't just happen. I got a ticket almost a year and a half ago for not having my seat belt on. It was a 1600 peso ticket that got reduced to 1000 pesos. The Amet police were setup on the main road, at the corner where the local Police station is. Now what they do is pick random areas in town to catch offenders. No seat belts, helmet less motos and whatever else they are targeting.
Don't know what happens if you don't have any Eye Dee? Maybe arrest you. I would venture to guess that if you do not have papers for the car or moto you are driving, the vehicle may be impounded. I don't know what the particulars are, and don't want to find out the hard way.
So far all has not closed down. It has only been the Dee' Latins recently, so far. Other bars are still open, and the club Classicos has opened back up. Manizales said Rumba is not closed. I take that to mean, it isn't closed down. So the sky has not fallen just yet. For those with concerns of an impending drought on mongering in Sosua, maybe now is a good time to work towards establishing contacts and regulars.
Now that the brothel type establishments like FOD, BB and Cristals can't regulate who the girls talk to, a guy can visit these places, find interesting girls there, get their numbers to hook up with when they are off the premises. Or you can salida the chicas, and take them with you if you arent staying at these places. Or you can pay for a room for short time, if you arent staying there.
Conflicting reports on bar closings in Sosua, are disturbing to us fans. Is this just "business as usual" or are there some big changes coming down?
Anybody there at ground zero who can put this stuff in context for us?
TIA.If I see a place that is usually open, but is closed at that moment, it will still get reported. But I will avoid speculating on the duration of a closing or believing all the rumors going around. IMO, I think it is best to wait until the dust clears before believing in anything unsubstantiated as long term. Including Dee Latins recent closing.
If I see a place that is usually open, but is closed at that moment, it will still get reported. But I will avoid speculating on the duration of a closing or believing all the rumors going around. IMO, I think it is best to wait until the dust clears before believing in anything unsubstantiated as long term. Including Dee Latins recent closing.I guess the bottom line is, how's the core business?
Are there just as many fresh putas drifting into town? Crackdowns tend to scare off all but the hardcore ones.
The recent posts seem to concern regulars, pre-arranged dating, and GFs etc. (which I personally have), and it's a given you can get laid anywhere down there, but I have guys that are asking for my vacation recommendations right now.
I guess the bottom line is, how's the core business?
Are there just as many fresh putas drifting into town? Crackdowns tend to scare off all but the hardcore ones.
The recent posts seem to concern regulars, pre-arranged dating, and GFs etc. (which I personally have), and it's a given you can get laid anywhere down there, but I have guys that are asking for my vacation recommendations right now.To be honest. Most of the chicas I see walking around, I have seen hundreds of times in Sosua. They are part of the scenery. Every now and then I see some new faces in town (new to me). One can't judge the scene by a single day, because the roster of chicas coming and going changes day to day, week to week, month to month. Many of the regular chicas I've seen walking around or in the bars/clubs a hundred times could easily be another guys blessing. Many chicas I would love to sample even though I have seen them over a years time. I just haven't done anything about it. With that, we all just observe each other and co exist. It's possible a chance hookup can happen anytime. Late night there always seem to be the stunners coming to town. So there is no problem there. I just don't usually stay out late to sample them, and possibly their inflated pricing.
Me and another guy both were at Rumbas last week. We both agreed the roster of chicas that Friday was way better than the night before. And that is the way Sosua is. It's hard to give a precise account of what Sosua will or can offer. You'll know once you are here to see for yourself. I would encourage guys to come, because I believe they will enjoy themselves. On the other hand, the less dicks in town it might make things better for guys already here. Hungrier chicas, and more availability of stunners. Personally, I don't see any crackdown. People need to stop reading words on a screen and becoming fearful. Unless were talking about a serious safety issue that aint no rumor, like getting killed etc, guys need to just hop on a plane and see for themselves.
Seat belt enforcement has been in effect for a while. This didn't just happen. I got a ticket almost a year and a half ago for not having my seat belt on. It was a 1600 peso ticket that got reduced to 1000 pesos. The Amet police were setup on the main road, at the corner where the local Police station is. Now what they do is pick random areas in town to catch offenders. No seat belts, helmet less motos and whatever else they are targeting.
I got stopped once in Cabarete. Female good looking cop wanted to see my rental papers. After she looked at it she let me go. She did not ask for anything else except she told me to buckle up. I guess hereon I need to buckle up all the time.
I got stopped once in Cabarete. Female good looking cop wanted to see my rental papers. After she looked at it she let me go. She did not ask for anything else except she told me to buckle up. I guess hereon I need to buckle up all the time.That female cop? Assuming you were alone or didn't have female company with you, would you have wanted to hook up with her?
Is this chica with you during the day as well as the night? If you and her are together day and night, are you getting the urge yet to get with other women? What else do you both enjoy doing together? With me, both of the recent women I've been with, they were great in and out of bed. But at some point, I would or could get bored. I would want to take a week or so off, and get with them later. I feel that way with my Sosua regulars. Certain times I look forward to being by myself, or hanging with friends.Wrx2005 I have the following answers to your questions along with my thoughts after returning back home to the States after twenty days is Sosua on this last trip. I have made three trips to Sosua since last November and have spent over 55 days there between those three trips. On my first trip I was picking girls up from the Strip, the beach, massage places, etc. And meeting DC Chicas. I pretty much had the same routine on my second trip, sampled the Haitains, etc. And generally did a combination of sport-fucking and TLN's (sleep overs).
Lots of guys in Sosua are just into sport fucking and others are into being totally Wifed up, etc. If there was a measurement for this with sport-fucking being a zero and Wifed-up being a 10 I would be a about a 8 on this scale. Regarding the DC Haitain Chica I would typically have her come over in the evening and stay until after breakfast in the morning. My routine on this last trip would be to get up around 6:30 AM in the morning, go to Playa Encuentro (Hideaway Beach), ride the waves, return to the Hotel, and have breakfast.
There was nothing like coming back from a wave riding session and having a horny Haitain jump your bones before having a cooked to order breakfast in the room. In the afternoons I would either go swimming, kayaking in Sosua Bay, or snorkeling at Alicia Beach. During the evening I would sometimes go out to dinner at the new Italian place in town or eat at the Hotel. I would also spend time on the Strip checking out the talent. It's like an Ice Cream shop with so many flavors available. One evening while hanging out with a buddy I spotted a pair of tall thin girls with small cute asses wearing very tight shorts. They were damelos (twins) from Santiago that we talked to for a while that I was thinking of going with, but after finding out they each had three kids I decided to pass as not wanting to go with someone that might not be very tight.
I'm still getting to know the DC Haitain Chica and plan on taking her on some road trips when I return in August. I did take one of my DC Dominican Chicas to Santaigo and Rio San Juan for a night but have gotten bored with her and am going to cut her loose. This could very well happen with the new DC Haitain Chica after some time as well. There's something for everybody in Sosua.
Camaro1257
06-18-14, 17:24
Camaro's Sosua Synopsis June 2014.
Gentleman I just completed my Nagua-Sosua excursion June 10th-18th. This trip is a continuation of my travel odyssey throughout the Dominican Republic, it is my intention to see as much of the island as possible. There have been a few changes on the ground since I was here last that I will share. This synopsis Nagua trip report will cut to the meat of my experience in Sosua and is a companion to my Nagua trip report.
Casa Valeria on Dr. Rosen.
My first impression of Casa Valeria was "este lugar es tan tranquilo!" It was very quiet and laid back. I felt like this was not a worthy spot to bring back a street rat because I felt so much class when I arrived.
They only take cash or paypal so if you stay here be prepared. My room was comfortable with a digital safe in the closet and a flat screen TV hanging on the wall. There was a mini-bar and refrigerator along with a small pool outside.
Even though the location is on Dr. Rosen with a lot of traffic my room was very quiet and comfortable.
Sosua Suites on Dr. Rosen.
I am trying different places to stay on my Sosua excursions and this time I am in Sosua Suites on Dr Rosen across the street from Rocky's Restaurant. The WIFI and air are strong however there is only air conditioning in the bedroom. There is a safe in the closet and a switch you have to use if you want to use hot water for your shower.
I like hotel rooms like Victoria House with the view of Sosua Bay and Hotel Sinai with the Jacuzzi but apartments make me feel more at home. The furniture is simple but my initial impression was the vibe made me feel like I was at home and not on vacation.
The location is on Dr. Rosen with a lot of traffic and it backs up to the clubs on Pedro Clisante so noise can be heard way into the wee hours of the morning. The infamous rooster can be heard crowing at dawn, I wish I could put him in a pot boil and stir.
*Both hotels are close to the strip and are very convenient because most everything you need is within walking distance.
Super Pola.
Super Pola is the new super market in Sosua. I went to Super Pola off Calle Principal at the edge of Sosua expecting to find a mini- La Sirina but. NOT! There was a Claro phone store inside and a couple of other shops but basically it was a grocery / liquor store and I was not impressed.
Casa de Cambio.
I usually change my money at Western Union Sosua on Calle Prinicpal but it's no sense walking all the way over there when I can walk down the street less than 25 yards and get 42.5 DOP-1 exchange rate and I don't need a passport. Only problem he insist on giving me those pesky 2000 k notes. Cono!
Calle Pedro Clisante.
Every day after 6 pm Pedro Clisante is closed to automobile traffic from Duarte to Dr. Rosen. It reminded me of Boca Chica but there were chairs and tables put out in front of the establishments with wait staff who waited on those outside as well as inside.
It had a very safe laid back feel with the Politur and Policia Nacional everywhere some riding bikes and others on foot.
Rumbas gets a visit from Darth Vader June 16,2014.
While at Rumbas a white SUV rolled up a gentleman with a suit and tie (he looked like Darth Vader) got out with a uniformed Policia Nacional officer. They went to the back and could be seen going through the books. The music and fancy lights were turned off during the visit from Darth Vader. They left after about 45 minutes. I will not speculate as to the significance as to what I witnessed. During my stay Rumbas was open and business was as usual and was NOT closed.
The'Latins is closed.
I experienced the last night of the' Latins Thursday, June 12th before I left for Nagua. The Latins was closed on Friday, June 13,2014. I will leave the speculation to others as to the reasons for this action.
Merengue & Classicos.
Since the Latins has closed much of their traffic has moved to Merengue and Classicos. Merengue remained a chill spot even during the Latins hey day, many people would chill, drink and even order food from the restaurant. I used Merengue as an interview spot once I met women from the Latins on a regular basis. Now with the new changes it looked like the Merengue of days gone by with a modest crowd inside and many people hanging on the street outside the club.
Classicos opens at 11 pm and the cover is 100 DOP, they give you a wrist band so you can come and go. The cover charge does not provide a drink as in days past. I enjoyed sitting in Classicos because it reminded me of the old days. I loved listening to the Latin playlist as well as enjoyed the air-conditioning. It was cool in the early part of the evening but later when it got crowded the temperature inside was more comfortable. It should be noted the playlist for the majority of the night was Latin music but they did play a few American favorites later in the night.
Sosua chica prices.
The below listed thoughts are for newbies as this subject has been discussed ad nauseum amongst the veterans of this board.
It has been stated "the price of pussy is what you are willing to pay point blank!" After much thought I am shifting to the concept of paying the price of admission as opposed to negotiating the cheapest price. This strategy requires me to know the market value of toto. Although there are reports of men paying 1000-2500 DOP ST, I believe the market value for a reasonably attractive chica in Sosua to be 2000 DOP. In my experience many chicas who perceive themselves as attractive are not accepting offers for less than 2 k and if they do there is a great potential of having sex with an un-happy chica which potentially can lead to other challenges. Therefore as a rule I will offer 2000 DOP for ST and 3000 DOP for TLN. I have and will continue to make exceptions to the rule depending on how much a desire the chica in question.
There has been much debate of 1500 DOP then and 2000 DOP now, however considering the exchange rate was 36 DOP - 1 US and is now 43 DOP- 1 US we still come out approximately even. From a personal perspective I have been to Panama, Costa Rica, Peru, Argentina, Ecuador, Mexico and Brazil and I am here to tell you that if you can get an 8 in your eyes for the equivalent of $50.00 you have done well. The reality is in many mongering venues the most attractive women are starting at the equivalent of $100.00 therefore as stated previously each monger should let their conscience be their guide.
I have witnessed the price of toto drop after the initial session if there is a mutual connection between the chica and I, therefore going forward I will pay the price of admission as long as it is within the Sosua market rate and negotiate going forward if I want to continue with said chica.
Always remember "the price of pussy is what you are willing to pay point blank!
Is Sosua dead?
I have been in Sosua for 5 days out of my 8 days in the Dominican Republic and I have heard and read the Sosua is "blah blah blah. " Everybody dies but everybody doesn't live. We all experience life in different ways and different places. Some have found life in Sousa while others see nothing but death and have constant critiscism. Negatively Sosua is what people describe from the scamming chicas to the corrupt collusion between attorneys and the legal system to scam gringos. However, Sosua is also a place where you can chill on the beach and watch the sunrise and set, you can have a decent meal as well as spend time with old and new friends all while sampling your taste in women. To those who criticize Sosua I ask "is it a floor or a ceiling?" It depends on your perspective.
On this trip I had some mediocre sex but no attempt was made to flim flam me. Was it my interview strategy or was it fate? I don't know but I did not and have not expereinced some of the horror stories I have read about so I will continue to enjoy Sosua until I do not enjoy Sosua.
Is Sosua dead, I say no Sosua is changing. There is no Passions or CMP. The Latins is now closed and after 6 pm the primary section of Pedro Clisante is shut down to vehiclular traffic and tables and chairs are put out so people can chill just like Boca Chica. Classicos has re-opened and Merengue is on fire once again. How long will this last and what plans does the governement have for Sosua? I do not know but as previously stated I will continue to enjoy Sosua until I do not enjoy Sosua.
Conclusion.
I enjoyed myself and I had a very relaxing vacation and got to experience what was familar in Sosua and what was unfamiliar in Nagua. My next excursion Sosua- Las Terrenace is planned the last week in July and I will report any changes I observe at that time.
There was nothing like coming back from a wave riding session and having a horny Haitain jump your bones before having a cooked to order breakfast in the room. In the afternoons I would either go swimming, kayaking in Sosua Bay, or snorkeling at Alicia Beach. During the evening I would sometimes go out to dinner at the new Italian place in town or eat at the Hotel. I would also spend time on the Strip checking out the talent. It's like an Ice Cream shop with so many flavors available. One evening while hanging out with a buddy I spotted a pair of tall thin girls with small cute asses wearing very tight shorts. They were damelos (twins) from Santiago that we talked to for a while that I was thinking of going with, but after finding out they each had three kids I decided to pass as not wanting to go with someone that might not be very tight.
.You forgot to add drinking red wine mix with spite! LOL.
Wrx2005 I have the following answers to your questions along with my thoughts after returning back home to the States after twenty days is Sosua on this last trip. I have made three trips to Sosua since last November and have spent over 55 days there between those three trips. On my first trip I was picking girls up from the Strip, the beach, massage places, etc. And meeting DC Chicas. I pretty much had the same routine on my second trip, sampled the Haitains, etc. And generally did a combination of sport-fucking and TLN's (sleep overs).
Lots of guys in Sosua are just into sport fucking and others are into being totally Wifed up, etc. If there was a measurement for this with sport-fucking being a zero and Wifed-up being a 10 I would be a about a 8 on this scale. Regarding the DC Haitain Chica I would typically have her come over in the evening and stay until after breakfast in the morning. My routine on this last trip would be to get up around 6:30 AM in the morning, go to Playa Encuentro (Hideaway Beach), ride the waves, return to the Hotel, and have breakfast.
There was nothing like coming back from a wave riding session and having a horny Haitain jump your bones before having a cooked to order breakfast in the room. In the afternoons I would either go swimming, kayaking in Sosua Bay, or snorkeling at Alicia Beach. During the evening I would sometimes go out to dinner at the new Italian place in town or eat at the Hotel. I would also spend time on the Strip checking out the talent. It's like an Ice Cream shop with so many flavors available. One evening while hanging out with a buddy I spotted a pair of tall thin girls with small cute asses wearing very tight shorts. They were damelos (twins) from Santiago that we talked to for a while that I was thinking of going with, but after finding out they each had three kids I decided to pass as not wanting to go with someone that might not be very tight.
I'm still getting to know the DC Haitain Chica and plan on taking her on some road trips when I return in August. I did take one of my DC Dominican Chicas to Santaigo and Rio San Juan for a night but have gotten bored with her and am going to cut her loose. This could very well happen with the new DC Haitain Chica after some time as well. There's something for everybody in Sosua.Thanks for sharing how things have been working for you.
I have heard and read the Sosua is "blah blah blah. " Everybody dies but everybody doesn't live. We all experience life in different ways and different places. Some have found life in Sousa while others see nothing but death and have constant critiscism. Negatively Sosua is what people describe from the scamming chicas to the corrupt collusion between attorneys and the legal system to scam gringos. However, Sosua is also a place where you can chill on the beach and watch the sunrise and set, you can have a decent meal as well as spend time with old and new friends all while sampling your taste in women. To those who criticize Sosua I ask "is it a floor or a ceiling?"
I will continue to enjoy Sosua until I do not enjoy Sosua.
Is Sosua dead, I say no Sosua is changing.Amen brother. The good and positive experiences have far outweighed any bad or negative experiences I may have had. No matter what others may think or have experienced with Sosua, the one thing I know for sure is that I CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD.
That female cop? Assuming you were alone or didn't have female company with you, would you have wanted to hook up with her?I would not even try-LOL!
Rumbas gets a visit from Darth Vader June 16,2014.
While at Rumbas a white SUV rolled up a gentleman with a suit and tie (he looked like Darth Vader) got out with a uniformed Policia Nacional officer. They went to the back and could be seen going through the books. The music and fancy lights were turned off during the visit from Darth Vader. They left after about 45 minutes. I will not speculate as to the significance as to what I witnessed. During my stay Rumbas was open and business was as usual and was NOT closed.Had a talk with Rick at Rockys. He said something similar. That Rumbas was closed at the time of that visit you are talking about.
I would not even try-LOL!I wouldn't blame you. You don't know how she'd take your approach. If she was interested though, you'd better be good at everything you do from the beginning. .
Camaro's Sosua Synopsis June 2014.
............Is Sosua dead, I say no Sosua is changing. There is no Passions or CMP. The Latins is now closed and after 6 pm the primary section of Pedro Clisante is shut down to vehiclular traffic and tables and chairs are put out so people can chill just like Boca Chica. Classicos has re-opened and Merengue is on fire once again. How long will this last and what plans does the governement have for Sosua? I do not know but as previously stated I will continue to enjoy Sosua until I do not enjoy Sosua.
Conclusion.
I enjoyed myself and I had a very relaxing vacation and got to experience what was familar in Sosua and what was unfamiliar in Nagua. My next excursion Sosua- Las Terrenace is planned the last week in July and I will report any changes I observe at that time.Thanks for the detailed take on the current situation.
Sosua to me is a rare paradise. As they say, YMMV.
Tempoecorto
06-18-14, 23:38
, but after finding out they each had three kids I decided to pass as not wanting to go with someone that might not be very tight.Don't let the thought of three kids daunt you. DR is a place where many if not most (and I do not know why given the cost and risks of an invasive procedure) opt to have C- section. Under those circumstances, 3 is only a number but a prudent person may verify by asking if the woman had "cesarea".
Mr Enternational
06-19-14, 02:51
I woke up at 10 am and my GFE was missing from my bed. I looked over on the other bed and saw her pink phone there still being charged. Soon she came out of the bathroom fully dressed saying she was about to leave. Well I hope you have a method of detaching that pussy, because I have to hit that one more time. No she said, I have to go. Okay. So if you have to go, how much do I need to give you? You know she said. No I don't. How much do I need to give you? You know she replied once again. I got up to get 1500 pesos and handed it to her. No she said. You have to give me 2500 pesos. I started laughing. I said first of all I told you that I would give you 1800 for all night, and now you don't want to work this morning. So 1500 is all I am giving you. She asked if I wanted her to call the police. I said I don't give a fuck, call the cops. You don't know who I know around here. She called and started talking to one of her friends about the issue.
During that time I decided to watch about 30 minutes worth of shows on my computer. When she did hang up she sat on the bed waiting. For what I don't know. When I finished my shows I got up and put some clothes on and started packing my things. I started wheeling my suitcase to the door and told her that she could stay in the room if she wanted, but I was leaving. She grabbed the handle of my suitcase stopping me from moving towards the door. I told her to un-ass my suitcase. She said no, you give me my money. I said I gave you your money and I'm not giving you anymore since you didn't want to finish the job. As I dragged her and my bag closer to the door she let go then jumped in front of the door to block it. I told her to move but she refused. I said look, you can not kidnap me. Get away from the door. She grabbed the collar of my t-shirt with two hands. I told her to let me go but she would not. I grabbed both her wrists and twisted them to make her let go, then turned her around and threw her on the bed and pinned her down. I told her look, you didn't want to work this morning so I am not giving you another peso. I was able to open the door and slide out into the hall with my suitcase and backpack.
She was in hot pursuit and slapped me on the back of my head as I walked out of the bedroom. I told her first she tries to kidnap me and now she assaults me. She came into the hall and started commotion. The place where I stay is one big house, so next to my room was another room then after that is the end of the hall which opens into a common area. The lady who works there heard the commotion. I told her to get that crazy girl. The girl told the lady that I owed her money. I said no, I gave her 1500 pesos. The girl claimed that I had not given her anything and said that I am supposed to give her 2500 pesos. I said that I had given her the money in the room. She opened her purse showing the little money she had, stressing that I did not give her any money. The lady went into the room and came back with 1500 pesos. She tried to give it to the girl, but she would not accept it. The lady put the money on the table and put something on top to weigh it down because the ceiling fan was on. Tomjackin's girl then said that I was supposed to give her 3000 pesos!
By then two more guys who work there had entered the room. I started laughing heartily and went to give the lady a hug. I said see there. See how she lies. First she was telling you that I didn't give her any money and I owe her 2500 pesos. Now you find the 1500 pesos that I gave her and she wants to say that I owe her 3000. The lady agreed that the girl had gotten caught up in her lies. They asked if the cops should be called. I told them that I didn't care one way or the other, but I was not giving her any more money and promised that this would not turn out the way she thought it would. The girl said she wanted the cops to come. I went down my story for the lady and the two men telling them that when I first saw her on the strip she said she wanted 4000, then she went to 3000, then I told her I would give her 1800 for all night the next night because I was on my way to Puerto Plata. She followed me half way to the house saying why couldn't it be tonight. When I got back to the house I decided not to go to Puerto Plata because it was already 3 am. I called and told her to meet me in front of Europa. She came with me last night and we had sex and went to sleep. Now it is morning and she wants to leave without having sex again, AND wants more money.
I asked the guy who works there how much he makes a month. He said 8000 pesos. I said you make 8000 pesos per month and this crazy girl thinks I would agree to give her 2500 or 3000 pesos for 1 NIGHT? I am not stupid and I have never been a mark.
Camaro1257
06-19-14, 04:25
Dime que paso?
I woke up at 10 am and my GFE was missing from my bed. I looked over on the other bed and saw her pink phone there still being charged. Soon she came out of the bathroom fully dressed saying she was about to leave. Well I hope you have a method of detaching that pussy, because I have to hit that one more time. No she said, I have to go. Okay. So if you have to go, how much do I need to give you? You know she said. No I don't. How much do I need to give you? You know she replied once again. I got up to get 1500 pesos and handed it to her. No she said. You have to give me 2500 pesos. I started laughing. I said first of all I told you that I would give you 1800 for all night, and now you don't want to work this morning. So 1500 is all I am giving you. She asked if I wanted her to call the police. I said I don't give a fuck, call the cops. You don't know who I know around here. She called and started talking to one of her friends about the issue...Es bluff.
I respect your decision. Someone is going to reply and tell you "it's not worth the possible trouble. They will also tell you to acquiesce. You called those extortion batches bluff. " ain't nobody got time for that".
BadBear2000
06-19-14, 05:00
In Sosua this week, learned the government is moving closer to turning it into a ghost town trying to change it to a family town. How stupid! They have closed the houses, threatening to closing the clubs that cater to the girls, and harrassing the girls on the street. They killed most of the foreign owned phones in the DR and are asking the people to come and re-register. Do not put it past the USA to have tracking and listening devices puton your phone so they can monitor you while you are here. This government is so stupid. American men will not waste airfare on their entire family flying to the beaches of the DR when they can drive to Miami. I noticed less eye candy at the beach and many businesses closing so I think the ghost town has already started. This will never happen in Haiti. The NGOs and do gooders tried after the earth quake but have had no success. Many are starting to leave.
I woke up at 10 am and my GFE was missing from my bed. I looked over on the other bed and saw her pink phone there still being charged. Soon she came out of the bathroom fully dressed saying she was about to leave. Well I hope you have a method of detaching that pussy, because I have to hit that one more time. No she said, I have to go. Okay. So if you have to go, how much do I need to give you? You know she said. No I don't. How much do I need to give you? You know she replied once again. I got up to get 1500 pesos and handed it to her. No she said. You have to give me 2500 pesos. I started laughing. I said first of all I told you that I would give you 1800 for all night, and now you don't want to work this morning. So 1500 is all I am giving you. She asked if I wanted her to call the police. I said I don't give a fuck, call the cops. You don't know who I know around here. She called and started talking to one of her friends about the issue.
During that time I decided to watch about 30 minutes worth of shows on my computer. When she did hang up she sat on the bed waiting. For what I don't know. When I finished my shows I got up and put some clothes on and started packing my things. I started wheeling my suitcase to the door and told her that she could stay in the room if she wanted, but I was leaving. She grabbed the handle of my suitcase stopping me from moving towards the door. I told her to un-ass my suitcase. She said no, you give me my money. I said I gave you your money and I'm not giving you anymore since you didn't want to finish the job. As I dragged her and my bag closer to the door she let go then jumped in front of the door to block it. I told her to move but she refused. I said look, you can not kidnap me. Get away from the door. She grabbed the collar of my t-shirt with two hands. I told her to let me go but she would not. I grabbed both her wrists and twisted them to make her let go, then turned her around and threw her on the bed and pinned her down. I told her look, you didn't want to work this morning so I am not giving you another peso. I was able to open the door and slide out into the hall with my suitcase and backpack.
She was in hot pursuit and slapped me on the back of my head as I walked out of the bedroom. I told her first she tries to kidnap me and now she assaults me. She came into the hall and started commotion. The place where I stay is one big house, so next to my room was another room then after that is the end of the hall which opens into a common area. The lady who works there heard the commotion. I told her to get that crazy girl. The girl told the lady that I owed her money. I said no, I gave her 1500 pesos. The girl claimed that I had not given her anything and said that I am supposed to give her 2500 pesos. I said that I had given her the money in the room. She opened her purse showing the little money she had, stressing that I did not give her any money. The lady went into the room and came back with 1500 pesos. She tried to give it to the girl, but she would not accept it. The lady put the money on the table and put something on top to weigh it down because the ceiling fan was on. Tomjackin's girl then said that I was supposed to give her 3000 pesos!
By then two more guys who work there had entered the room. I started laughing heartily and went to give the lady a hug. I said see there. See how she lies. First she was telling you that I didn't give her any money and I owe her 2500 pesos. Now you find the 1500 pesos that I gave her and she wants to say that I owe her 3000. The lady agreed that the girl had gotten caught up in her lies. They asked if the cops should be called. I told them that I didn't care one way or the other, but I was not giving her any more money and promised that this would not turn out the way she thought it would. The girl said she wanted the cops to come. I went down my story for the lady and the two men telling them that when I first saw her on the strip she said she wanted 4000, then she went to 3000, then I told her I would give her 1800 for all night the next night because I was on my way to Puerto Plata. She followed me half way to the house saying why couldn't it be tonight. When I got back to the house I decided not to go to Puerto Plata because it was already 3 am. I called and told her to meet me in front of Europa. She came with me last night and we had sex and went to sleep. Now it is morning and she wants to leave without having sex again, AND wants more money.
I asked the guy who works there how much he makes a month. He said 8000 pesos. I said you make 8000 pesos per month and this crazy girl thinks I would agree to give her 2500 or 3000 pesos for 1 NIGHT? I am not stupid and I have never been a mark.What's not clear is as to what was supposedly agreed to for 1,800 Pesos. Was it just 1,800 Pesos for TLN with no mention of how many pops, how did you arrive at giving her 1,500 Pesos? Doesn't sound like you had a good first session with her or there would not have been as much drama.
In Sosua this week, learned the government is moving closer to turning it into a ghost town trying to change it to a family town. How stupid! They have closed the houses, threatening to closing the clubs that cater to the girls, and harrassing the girls on the street. They killed most of the foreign owned phones in the DR and are asking the people to come and re-register. Do not put it past the USA to have tracking and listening devices puton your phone so they can monitor you while you are here. This government is so stupid. American men will not waste airfare on their entire family flying to the beaches of the DR when they can drive to Miami. I noticed less eye candy at the beach and many businesses closing so I think the ghost town has already started. This will never happen in Haiti. The NGOs and do gooders tried after the earth quake but have had no success. Many are starting to leave.HAITI! While I love some dark skin chicas. I wouldn't ever consider making that move! Some of us mongers like the freedom of roaming. Haiti is too depressing.
Ipanema Carioca
06-19-14, 05:52
Doom and Gloomers! Sosua is dying. Things are changing. I can't find girls. Things are different. This club closed and that club closed. We need to go to another country. The politicians are doing this the politicians are doing that. However, I keep going to Sosua and have a great time! If you going to complain why go! Stay home or go some where else and quit whining! Or maybe the administrators should create a Sosua whiny / bitching board, and all you doom and bloomers can go there and whine to each other!
Tomjackin's girl then said that I was supposed to give her 3000 pesos!
Now why does she have to be MY girl?
I have many girls in the rotation, but up until April, she was one of my favorites.
When I first met her she was fresh off the bus from SD. I guess the more seasoned they get, the more pain in the ass they become; too bad.
Mr Enternational
06-19-14, 12:23
What's not clear is as to what was supposedly agreed to for 1,800 Pesos. Was it just 1,800 Pesos for TLN with no mention of how many pops, how did you arrive at giving her 1,500 Pesos? Doesn't sound like you had a good first session with her or there would not have been as much drama.I said before that the first session was in the top 5 that I have ever had in DR. I don't do the a la carte thing, unless it's something special that needs to be done. BJ and fucking are standard items and should not need to be discussed. Just like when you buy a car you know it's going to have an engine and 4 tires. I have never gotten a P4P chick anywhere to the room and had to beg for a BJ (even the street walkera in Tijuana); usually that is the first thing they do.
TLN is minimum 2 pops. It's obvious that I'm not going to discuss LT with a chick to fuck her one time, let her sleep the rest of the night, then get up and go home. We agreed on 1800 for TLN. When she did not want to do the morning session there was no way I was giving her the full 1800. If you took your car to get painted and went to pick it up and saw that they didn't put the clear coats on and buff it out are you going to pay the full price for the paint job? I clearly asked her twice that since she didn't want to finish the job, then how much would I need to give her. She refused to answer saying instead that I knew. So I figured 1500 would suffice. She instead wanted more than the original price for an unfinished job. There is no way to make sense out of nonsense and I'm not even trying to.
I tried to work things out fairly. I asked her to finish the job; she didn't want to. I asked for a new price on the half job; she didn't want to tell me. I'm not a rooty poot monger with his head in the clouds. I'm a seasoned vet. Every move I make is a calculated step. I don't play my hold card until your ass is reeled in hook, line, and sinker. The bottom line is that you don't step into a lion's den thinking it is a petting zoo. It could very well be kill or be killed. I don't know about you, but whether I'm the human or the lion, I plan on living to tell the story.
I said before that the first session was in the top 5 that I have ever had in DR. I don't do the a la carte thing, unless it's something special that needs to be done. BJ and fucking are standard items and should not need to be discussed. Just like when you buy a car you know it's going to have an engine and 4 tires. I have never gotten a P4P chick anywhere to the room and had to beg for a BJ (even the street walkera in Tijuana); usually that is the first thing they do.
TLN is minimum 2 pops. It's obvious that I'm not going to discuss LT with a chick to fuck her one time, let her sleep the rest of the night, then get up and go home. We agreed on 1800 for TLN. When she did not want to do the morning session there was no way I was giving her the full 1800. If you took your car to get painted and went to pick it up and saw that they didn't put the clear coats on and buff it out are you going to pay the full price for the paint job? I clearly asked her twice that since she didn't want to finish the job, then how much would I need to give her. She refused to answer saying instead that I knew. So I figured 1500 would suffice. She instead wanted more than the original price for an unfinished job. There is no way to make sense out of nonsense and I'm not even trying to.
I tried to work things out fairly. I asked her to finish the job; she didn't want to. I asked for a new price on the half job; she didn't want to tell me. I'm not a rooty poot monger with his head in the clouds. I'm a seasoned vet. Every move I make is a calculated step. I don't play my hold card until your ass is reeled in hook, line, and sinker. The bottom line is that you don't step into a lion's den thinking it is a petting zoo. It could very well be kill or be killed. I don't know about you, but whether I'm the human or the lion, I plan on living to tell the story.Only my opinion Mr. E, but for $7 bucks, I would have avoided the confrontation and involving other people, potentially the cops, in the drama.
The same scenario happened to me my last time down there. I posted it here. She held out, I held out and because she caved first I saved a couple bucks.
But, If she didn't cave first, I was ready to give her what she asked for just to avoid the escalated drama.
As to the car analogy, I'm sure you'd do a little research before you left your car with a complete idiot. LOL.
Mr Enternational
06-19-14, 13:32
Only my opinion Mr. E, but for $7 bucks, I would have avoided the confrontation and involving other people, potentially the cops, in the drama.
The same scenario happened to me my last time down there. I posted it here. She held out, I held out and because she caved first I saved a couple bucks.
But, If she didn't cave first, I was ready to give her what she asked for just to avoid the escalated drama.And that is exactly why they act the way they do. For so long mongers have said it's only $7. I don't care if it is 50 cent. If you break the agreement there is no way you should be expecting full payment.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you are an hourly worker and your boss tells you he needs you to stay two more hours for free. Are you going to say what the hell, it's only 2 more hours? Or are you going to remind him that your overtime rate is time and a half? I'm going to pay what I agreed to if and only if you have fulfilled your side of the bargain.
In my eyes she should have been thinking wow I didn't even finish the job and this guy is still giving me 1500 pesos; only $7 less than if I would have completed the job. I should not gladly be paying full price (or more if she had her way) for a partial job
And that is exactly why they act the way they do. For so long mongers have said it's only $7. I don't care if it is 50 cent. If you break the agreement there is no way you should be expecting full payment.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you are an hourly worker and your boss tells you he needs you to stay two more hours for free. Are you going to say what the hell, it's only 2 more hours? Or are you going to remind him that your overtime rate is time and a half? I'm going to pay what I agreed to if and only if you have fulfilled your side of the bargain.
In my eyes she should have been thinking wow I didn't even finish the job and this guy is still giving me 1500 pesos; only $7 less than if I would have completed the job. I should not gladly be paying full price (or more if she had her way) for a partial jobMr. E I agree with all your logic in your responses, however I am still a bit puzzled as to why all the drama occured if the the first session with her was off the charts. As far as paying the $ 7 to avoid all the confrontation, I'm assuming your speak Spanish well as I think a lot of guys would of just coughed up the money.
And that is exactly why they act the way they do. For so long mongers have said it's only $7. I don't care if it is 50 cent. If you break the agreement there is no way you should be expecting full payment.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you are an hourly worker and your boss tells you he needs you to stay two more hours for free. Are you going to say what the hell, it's only 2 more hours? Or are you going to remind him that your overtime rate is time and a half? I'm going to pay what I agreed to if and only if you have fulfilled your side of the bargain.
In my eyes she should have been thinking wow I didn't even finish the job and this guy is still giving me 1500 pesos; only $7 less than if I would have completed the job. I should not gladly be paying full price (or more if she had her way) for a partial jobCan't argue with the principle.
But when I'm on vacation, I don't need to argue about a bad meal or a bad trick, I just move on, and don't go back.
Others are more vigilant, and good for them.
If I thought I could teach them a lesson that would in any way change their core behaviour, it might not be a such a waste of time, but try to school a puta?
There was a guy dying on a pedestrian crosswalk. "But, I had the right of way", he was shouting, as the truck that hit him drove off. Well, he was right, but he was dead,
I woke up at 10 am and my GFE was missing from my bed. I looked over on the other bed and saw her pink phone there still being charged. Soon she came out of the bathroom fully dressed saying she was about to leave. Well I hope you have a method of detaching that pussy, because I have to hit that one more time. No she said, I have to go. Okay. So if you have to go, how much do I need to give you? You know she said. No I don't. How much do I need to give you? You know she replied once again. I got up to get 1500 pesos and handed it to her. No she said. You have to give me 2500 pesos. I started laughing. I said first of all I told you that I would give you 1800 for all night, and now you don't want to work this morning. So 1500 is all I am giving you. She asked if I wanted her to call the police. I said I don't give a fuck, call the cops. You don't know who I know around here. She called and started talking to one of her friends about the issue.
During that time I decided to watch about 30 minutes worth of shows on my computer. When she did hang up she sat on the bed waiting. For what I don't know. When I finished my shows I got up and put some clothes on and started packing my things. I started wheeling my suitcase to the door and told her that she could stay in the room if she wanted, but I was leaving. She grabbed the handle of my suitcase stopping me from moving towards the door. I told her to un-ass my suitcase. She said no, you give me my money. I said I gave you your money and I'm not giving you anymore since you didn't want to finish the job. As I dragged her and my bag closer to the door she let go then jumped in front of the door to block it. I told her to move but she refused. I said look, you can not kidnap me. Get away from the door. She grabbed the collar of my t-shirt with two hands. I told her to let me go but she would not. I grabbed both her wrists and twisted them to make her let go, then turned her around and threw her on the bed and pinned her down. I told her look, you didn't want to work this morning so I am not giving you another peso. I was able to open the door and slide out into the hall with my suitcase and backpack.
She was in hot pursuit and slapped me on the back of my head as I walked out of the bedroom. I told her first she tries to kidnap me and now she assaults me. She came into the hall and started commotion. The place where I stay is one big house, so next to my room was another room then after that is the end of the hall which opens into a common area. The lady who works there heard the commotion. I told her to get that crazy girl. The girl told the lady that I owed her money. I said no, I gave her 1500 pesos. The girl claimed that I had not given her anything and said that I am supposed to give her 2500 pesos. I said that I had given her the money in the room. She opened her purse showing the little money she had, stressing that I did not give her any money. The lady went into the room and came back with 1500 pesos. She tried to give it to the girl, but she would not accept it. The lady put the money on the table and put something on top to weigh it down because the ceiling fan was on. Tomjackin's girl then said that I was supposed to give her 3000 pesos!
By then two more guys who work there had entered the room. I started laughing heartily and went to give the lady a hug. I said see there. See how she lies. First she was telling you that I didn't give her any money and I owe her 2500 pesos. Now you find the 1500 pesos that I gave her and she wants to say that I owe her 3000. The lady agreed that the girl had gotten caught up in her lies. They asked if the cops should be called. I told them that I didn't care one way or the other, but I was not giving her any more money and promised that this would not turn out the way she thought it would. The girl said she wanted the cops to come. I went down my story for the lady and the two men telling them that when I first saw her on the strip she said she wanted 4000, then she went to 3000, then I told her I would give her 1800 for all night the next night because I was on my way to Puerto Plata. She followed me half way to the house saying why couldn't it be tonight. When I got back to the house I decided not to go to Puerto Plata because it was already 3 am. I called and told her to meet me in front of Europa. She came with me last night and we had sex and went to sleep. Now it is morning and she wants to leave without having sex again, AND wants more money.
I asked the guy who works there how much he makes a month. He said 8000 pesos. I said you make 8000 pesos per month and this crazy girl thinks I would agree to give her 2500 or 3000 pesos for 1 NIGHT? I am not stupid and I have never been a mark.Another case of DR chica reneging on a deal. A good thing you speak spanish.
Mr. E I agree with all your logic in your responses, however I am still a bit puzzled as to why all the drama occured if the the first session with her was off the charts. As far as paying the $ 7 to avoid all the confrontation, I'm assuming your speak Spanish well as I think a lot of guys would of just coughed up the money.Thats how alot of those chicas act. They are cool the first few times, then bug out. Thats just the way it is in DR. Guys tell me it something I'm doing, when it happens to other guys also.
Another case of DR chica reneging on a deal. A good thing you speak spanish.Yeah, Mr. E's story is identical to my experience, even to the point that the session was awesome.
I've said this before but it seems the whole deal with Sosua putas is choreographed identically. It's as if there was some Mamasan running a training school, which they all had to pass out of before they were let on the street. "Rule 1. If your customer has a good time, hit him up for more, because he's likely to pay".
Even the requests for WU money look like they were cut and pasted. Could be from any one of them.
Tempoecorto
06-19-14, 17:04
There was a guy dying on a pedestrian crosswalk. "But, I had the right of way", he was shouting, as the truck that hit him drove off. Well, he was right, but he was dead,I agree on that last line because it is pragmatic. Any adult that equates prostitution with a hourly wage job (or any regular job for that matter) either does not live in the real world or has an axe to grind. US is well known in the world for its position on presumed morality of a man or woman- just ask a politician. If one is not convinced, try suing the female in a US court of law for damages to see if the contract can be enforced to verify if the equivalence theory holds. The whole episode is puerile much ado about nothing!!
First, me and Mr E travel the world together and are great friends, but we disagree always on methods to deal with girls. Second, I'm no save a ho but you guys are all wrong.
Lets go over it; Before that night in question the girl was said to be "Tomjackins girl and one of the finest girls in Sosua". The girls initial sex act was "one of my top 5 ever". She didn't argue when her request for a CBJ was rejected (should have been pre-negotiated). She sounds like the perfect girl so far, right? Hell she even stayed till 10 am which is unheard of in Sosua nowadays. In my opinion she went above and beyond the duty.
In my TLN experience usually you fuck at night and in the morning you get a final bang before she leaves or you go get breakfast. She is not required to wait until almost noon for you to wake up horny. Its usually about 7 or 8 am. Shit! She has kids, or somewhere to be. Its up to the guy to see the sun rising, realize he has a boner and tap her on the ass for that final fuck. She was there and he was sleeping. Its not like she woke up at 7 am demanding money so she can go. This girl was a real trooper and hung out patiently waiting to be paid. Maybe she thought he didn't want to fuck anymore, or maybe she wasn't feeling the connection. You guys are all over the girl like she is the worst Sosua has to offer but IMO the window for a morning fuck closed as the next afternoon was fastly approaching.
The boy code:
Me and Tomjackin have the same girl, we share. I was with her for two days and Tomjackin said he liked her. So when she came to hangout with us (Me, Tomjackin, Mr E) I purposely sat her next to Tomjackin, because I also wanted other options. Tomjackin spent the next two days with her and we all are good friends to this day. If Tomjackin passes me a girl its my duty to make sure I respect her so that he doesn't have some bullshit in his life because of me. Trying to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on her and argue over 7 USD is not something that I would do. What will be Tomjackins motive for wanting to hook Mr E up with any of his girls in the future? Because of 7 USD Tomjacking probably won't want anymore of his girls hanging out with himself and Mr E. Now Tomjackin has to hear the story about how his friend treated this girl, from the girl. There will be tension when Mr E comes around and the girl is there. And on top of that the girl has wonder if she has lost her"walking ATM aka Tomjackin" forever. I know Sosua is a trick town but when you consider a guy your boy, there has to be pre-approval, its a respect thing. Not sure if Mr E got approved or didn't care (this only applies to regulars).
Mr E is real with who he is and makes no bones about it so you have to accept that. But I know that being our styles are so different that his girls are not for me and my girls usually are not for him.
So all of you guys that are ragging on the chica, give it a break. She went into this with a good attitude and did her best.
I tried to work things out fairly. I asked her to finish the job; she didn't want to. I asked for a new price on the half job; she didn't want to tell me. I'm not a rooty poot monger with his head in the clouds. I'm a seasoned vet. Every move I make is a calculated step. I don't play my hold card until your ass is reeled in hook, line, and sinker. The bottom line is that you don't step into a lion's den thinking it is a petting zoo. It could very well be kill or be killed. I don't know about you, but whether I'm the human or the lion, I plan on living to tell the story.Dude, finish the story! LOL! SO yall are in the common area, having a mexican standoff. She wants to call the police, you could care less. And?
Mr Enternational
06-19-14, 18:18
Mr. E I agree with all your logic in your responses, however I am still a bit puzzled as to why all the drama occured if the the first session with her was off the charts. As far as paying the $ 7 to avoid all the confrontation, I'm assuming your speak Spanish well as I think a lot of guys would of just coughed up the money.It actually was not $7. I made the deal for 1800. She reneged on he deal so I only gave her 1500. She said no 2500. Then later changed to I was supposed to pay her 3000. So in the end she wanted double the $35 that I gave her. $7 (300 pesos) was the difference between the original deal and what I ended up giving her for going back on the deal.
Yes everything was peachy keen at first. Like I said man she woke up the next morning and flipped the script. Just like when she told Tomjackin to get another girl for a threesome. He went through all the trouble of finding the girl and getting her to it then she backed out, wasting the other girl and Tomjackin's money and time.
Camaro's Sosua Synopsis June 2014.
Gentleman I just completed my Nagua-Sosua excursion June 10th-18th. This trip is a continuation of my travel odyssey throughout the Dominican Republic, it is my intention to see as much of the island as possible. There have been a few changes on the ground since I was here last that I will share. This synopsis Nagua trip report will cut to the meat of my experience in Sosua and is a companion to my Nagua trip report.
Casa Valeria on Dr. Rosen.
My first impression of Casa Valeria was "este lugar es tan tranquilo!" It was very quiet and laid back. I felt like this was not a worthy spot to bring back a street rat because I felt so much class when I arrived.
They only take cash or paypal so if you stay here be prepared. My room was comfortable with a digital safe in the closet and a flat screen TV hanging on the wall. There was a mini-bar and refrigerator along with a small pool outside.
Even though the location is on Dr. Rosen with a lot of traffic my room was very quiet and comfortable.
Sosua Suites on Dr. Rosen.
I am trying different places to stay on my Sosua excursions and this time I am in Sosua Suites on Dr Rosen across the street from Rocky's Restaurant. The WIFI and air are strong however there is only air conditioning in the bedroom. There is a safe in the closet and a switch you have to use if you want to use hot water for your shower.
I like hotel rooms like Victoria House with the view of Sosua Bay and Hotel Sinai with the Jacuzzi but apartments make me feel more at home. The furniture is simple but my initial impression was the vibe made me feel like I was at home and not on vacation.
The location is on Dr. Rosen with a lot of traffic and it backs up to the clubs on Pedro Clisante so noise can be heard way into the wee hours of the morning. The infamous rooster can be heard crowing at dawn, I wish I could put him in a pot boil and stir.
*Both hotels are close to the strip and are very convenient because most everything you need is within walking distance.
Super Pola.
Super Pola is the new super market in Sosua. I went to Super Pola off Calle Principal at the edge of Sosua expecting to find a mini- La Sirina but. NOT! There was a Claro phone store inside and a couple of other shops but basically it was a grocery / liquor store and I was not impressed.
Casa de Cambio.
I usually change my money at Western Union Sosua on Calle Prinicpal but it's no sense walking all the way over there when I can walk down the street less than 25 yards and get 42.5 DOP-1 exchange rate and I don't need a passport. Only problem he insist on giving me those pesky 2000 k notes. Cono!
Calle Pedro Clisante.
Every day after 6 pm Pedro Clisante is closed to automobile traffic from Duarte to Dr. Rosen. It reminded me of Boca Chica but there were chairs and tables put out in front of the establishments with wait staff who waited on those outside as well as inside.
It had a very safe laid back feel with the Politur and Policia Nacional everywhere some riding bikes and others on foot.
Rumbas gets a visit from Darth Vader June 16,2014.
While at Rumbas a white SUV rolled up a gentleman with a suit and tie (he looked like Darth Vader) got out with a uniformed Policia Nacional officer. They went to the back and could be seen going through the books. The music and fancy lights were turned off during the visit from Darth Vader. They left after about 45 minutes. I will not speculate as to the significance as to what I witnessed. During my stay Rumbas was open and business was as usual and was NOT closed.
The'Latins is closed.
I experienced the last night of the' Latins Thursday, June 12th before I left for Nagua. The Latins was closed on Friday, June 13,2014. I will leave the speculation to others as to the reasons for this action.
Merengue & Classicos.
Since the Latins has closed much of their traffic has moved to Merengue and Classicos. Merengue remained a chill spot even during the Latins hey day, many people would chill, drink and even order food from the restaurant. I used Merengue as an interview spot once I met women from the Latins on a regular basis. Now with the new changes it looked like the Merengue of days gone by with a modest crowd inside and many people hanging on the street outside the club.
Classicos opens at 11 pm and the cover is 100 DOP, they give you a wrist band so you can come and go. The cover charge does not provide a drink as in days past. I enjoyed sitting in Classicos because it reminded me of the old days. I loved listening to the Latin playlist as well as enjoyed the air-conditioning. It was cool in the early part of the evening but later when it got crowded the temperature inside was more comfortable. It should be noted the playlist for the majority of the night was Latin music but they did play a few American favorites later in the night.
Sosua chica prices.
The below listed thoughts are for newbies as this subject has been discussed ad nauseum amongst the veterans of this board.
It has been stated "the price of pussy is what you are willing to pay point blank!" After much thought I am shifting to the concept of paying the price of admission as opposed to negotiating the cheapest price. This strategy requires me to know the market value of toto. Although there are reports of men paying 1000-2500 DOP ST, I believe the market value for a reasonably attractive chica in Sosua to be 2000 DOP. In my experience many chicas who perceive themselves as attractive are not accepting offers for less than 2 k and if they do there is a great potential of having sex with an un-happy chica which potentially can lead to other challenges. Therefore as a rule I will offer 2000 DOP for ST and 3000 DOP for TLN. I have and will continue to make exceptions to the rule depending on how much a desire the chica in question.
There has been much debate of 1500 DOP then and 2000 DOP now, however considering the exchange rate was 36 DOP - 1 US and is now 43 DOP- 1 US we still come out approximately even. From a personal perspective I have been to Panama, Costa Rica, Peru, Argentina, Ecuador, Mexico and Brazil and I am here to tell you that if you can get an 8 in your eyes for the equivalent of $50.00 you have done well. The reality is in many mongering venues the most attractive women are starting at the equivalent of $100.00 therefore as stated previously each monger should let their conscience be their guide.
I have witnessed the price of toto drop after the initial session if there is a mutual connection between the chica and I, therefore going forward I will pay the price of admission as long as it is within the Sosua market rate and negotiate going forward if I want to continue with said chica.
Always remember "the price of pussy is what you are willing to pay point blank!
Is Sosua dead?
I have been in Sosua for 5 days out of my 8 days in the Dominican Republic and I have heard and read the Sosua is "blah blah blah. " Everybody dies but everybody doesn't live. We all experience life in different ways and different places. Some have found life in Sousa while others see nothing but death and have constant critiscism. Negatively Sosua is what people describe from the scamming chicas to the corrupt collusion between attorneys and the legal system to scam gringos. However, Sosua is also a place where you can chill on the beach and watch the sunrise and set, you can have a decent meal as well as spend time with old and new friends all while sampling your taste in women. To those who criticize Sosua I ask "is it a floor or a ceiling?" It depends on your perspective.
On this trip I had some mediocre sex but no attempt was made to flim flam me. Was it my interview strategy or was it fate? I don't know but I did not and have not expereinced some of the horror stories I have read about so I will continue to enjoy Sosua until I do not enjoy Sosua.
Is Sosua dead, I say no Sosua is changing. There is no Passions or CMP. The Latins is now closed and after 6 pm the primary section of Pedro Clisante is shut down to vehiclular traffic and tables and chairs are put out so people can chill just like Boca Chica. Classicos has re-opened and Merengue is on fire once again. How long will this last and what plans does the governement have for Sosua? I do not know but as previously stated I will continue to enjoy Sosua until I do not enjoy Sosua.
Conclusion.
I enjoyed myself and I had a very relaxing vacation and got to experience what was familar in Sosua and what was unfamiliar in Nagua. My next excursion Sosua- Las Terrenace is planned the last week in July and I will report any changes I observe at that time.Great update, thanks! I'm returning July 3-8 and appreciate your perspective and the thought you put into your report. Bunda.
Ipanema Carioca
06-19-14, 18:36
It actually was not $7. I made the deal for 1800. She reneged on he deal so I only gave her 1500. She said no 2500. Then later changed to I was supposed to pay her 3000.Mr Enternational, I agree with how you handled this situation. I don't care it It was $7 or $1. 25, a deal is a deal, and when a hoe flips the script then she gets nothing. I had an incident for the first time in 30 plus trips. The hoe tried flipping the script. I had to call security to get her out of my room. She ended up leaving with nothing. I loudly offered her 200 pesos and she refused it in front of witnesses, so she can't say I refused to pay her. Some of these hoes are known repeat offender trouble makers, and many are actually banned from hotels but slip through the cracks. So when some one asks why cry over $7, tell him to find her and pay her. Those who question why you made a big deal over such a small fee are the ones who empower such hoes! Remember, there is no written contract on the amount and is your word against yours. The hoe I had already had her Haitian passport in possession of the police, so when she demanded the police to my hotel security, I said "ok *****, let's do this." Also, I don't give tips or motoconcho money, because it wasn't negotiated, and I never have problems getting new pussy. I always say "we didn't talk about tip or a ride back to your job." A girl is not going to tell another girl you didn't give her a tip because it males her look lame. And if she does, so what. If you want to give a tip in a country where tips are not a tradition, that's your business and not mine. Dominican, Brazilians, Colombians and etc, do not give tips. Hoes only ask soft ass gringoes for tips. Local men will tell you that gringoes are fucking up and spoiling their hoes with gifts and tips. Mongers should not reward bad behavior!!!!!
Dominican, Brazilians, Colombians and etc, do not give tips. Hoes only ask soft ass gringoes for tips. Local men will tell you that gringoes are fucking up and spoiling their hoes with gifts and tips.YESSSS!! I have been saying this forever, but guys don't want to listen!! Anytime I have asked mongers on this board "Do you see locals giving out tips?" I always got an angry response "I don't care what they do!
Ipanema Carioca
06-19-14, 21:06
YESSSS!! I have been saying this forever, but guys don't want to listen!! Anytime I have asked mongers on this board "Do you see locals giving out tips?" I always got an angry response "I don't care what they do!Bravo, at the Rio termas like 4 x4 and others, the staff even ask for a tip form gringos: you fuck the hoe, she wants a tip; in the locker room 10,000 Brazilian men will pass the lady who cleans it, but when a gringo passes she asks for a tip; at the desk when you pay your bill, the girl adding the bill wants a tip; the girl at the desk who runs your card wants a tip; and when you leave and give the exit receipt to the door man he wants a tip. But none will ask a Brazilian for a tip because that's not how it's suppose to go.
In Sosua it's the same damn thing. Let the dummies five the tip, because guess what, they hoes will ask for a tip even if they give lousy service. They don't know what tipping is about except they think you will give it because they ask. It's all about about much money people in these countries can get and how much you can keep. All this banter and philosophizing that gringoes do on this board means nothing to the locals. There are even grown men who will come up to a gringo in Sosua an complain that he business is bad and he needs gas for his bike; there are kids who approach you rubbing their belles for change; like hoes who say they need to get their hair done. This begging is generic to the people who make their money off gringoes (tourist). Even that BS that you're not gringo anymore, you're Dominican or you're Brazilian.
Like in Rio when hoes called me a safado as if they were shaming me. They did that to make a gringo feel guilty about being a serial and recreational hoe master, which I'm proud to be. In Sosua, the hoes will cut or roll their eyes at you as if you should care, because they can milk you for for a smartphone or get away with not performing their job.
The only tip I can give them is do your job better and you might get repeat business form me.
YESSSS!! I have been saying this forever, but guys don't want to listen!! Anytime I have asked mongers on this board "Do you see locals giving out tips?" I always got an angry response "I don't care what they do!First, remember there's no rules for mongers, only advice.
He has a right to spend his hard earned vacation money anyway he wishes.
When he is on a week's vacation, he is not setting standards for how he behaves at home. Most spend thousands on a stress free holiday, with the emphasis on "stress free". A married guy doesn't want to be calling his wife if he gets locked up for a prostitute hassle, who even may be in cahoots with the cops.
Tipping is optional, but if he tips his REGULAR driver, waiter, security guard, whatever, they'll look after him, as valuable property. They can be good Samaritans in stressful situations, especially if he doesn't speak the language. Dinero is a language of its own.
As for gringos, "fucking up the hoes", if it wasn't for gringos there would be no hoes in Sosua. They come in droves, for that reason alone.
As for blame, any guy that gets gamed, should just look in the mirror, like I did when it happened to me, twice in five years. I didn't blame other mongers for my lack of judgment.
Why do you guys have faith that a low life Third World hooker, who you've never met before in your life, will have the gumption, the morals, or even desire to "honor" any agreement? You're just taking a chance that she will.
That's why I have a steady GF waiting for me down there LOL.
Local men will tell you that gringoes are fucking up and spoiling their hoes with gifts and tips. Mongers should not reward bad behavior!!!!!Yep!
Let's hear it for the local men who pimp their wives, daughters, and even mothers, going from town to town, looking for fresh 14 and 15 year olds to get pregnant before the next guy does.
All together now, can we all drink to that? LOL.
Ipanema Carioca
06-19-14, 23:38
Yep!
Let's hear it for the local men who pimp their wives, daughters, and even mothers, going from town to town, looking for fresh 14 and 15 year olds to get pregnant before the next guy does.
All together now, can we all drink to that? LOL.Yep, that was an oakie response. Any more hillbillies on the board with hillbilly answers?
Yep, that was an oakie response. Any more hillbillies on the board with hillbilly answers?Tell us again Einstein how "Dominican, Brazilians, Colombians and etc, do not give tips".
The whole country runs on graft, corruption and payoffs. Otherwise known as "tips".
How do you think the bars stay open?
Ipanema Carioca
06-20-14, 00:10
Tell us again Einstein how "Dominican, Brazilians, Colombians and etc, do not give tips".
The whole country runs on graft, corruption and payoffs. Otherwise known as "tips".
How do you think the bars stay open?Hey hillbilly, this is not a social science board for latin america. It's about mongering and discussing hoes in Sosua. Ask admin to start you your own thread for such discussions. Last I researched here you had nothing current to offer about anything on Sosua. But if you want to know about the subject you're asking, I advise you enroll in a course at a community college. Again, this board is not to educate you on tipping in a foreign country.
Hey hillbilly, this is not a social science board for latin america. It's about mongering and discussing hoes in Sosua. Ask admin to start you your own thread for such discussions. Last I researched here you had nothing current to offer about anything on Sosua. But if you want to know about the subject you're asking, I advise you enroll in a course at a community college. Again, this board is not to educate you on tipping in a foreign country.Ah. The posting police are back LOL.
Look you jerk, I was responding to two lengthy posts you made just now, all about tipping in Sosua.
Those are your words in quotes, not mine.
By the way, Einstein, your "research" is also flawed. I've been here a while with "current stuff" now you want to make the rules about what is current?
You guys!
Ipanema Carioca
06-20-14, 01:01
Ah. The posting police are back LOL.
Look you jerk, I was responding to two lengthy posts you made just now, all about tipping in Sosua.
Those are your words in quotes, not mine.
By the way, Einstein, your "research" is also flawed. I've been here a while with "current stuff" now you want to make the rules about what is current?
You guys!Yeah, but I don't think I asked for your opinion on how I tip. Did I? Nope, don't think that I did. Jerk? The only jerking I do is when I masturbate, thinking I'm pulling on your nose!
Yeah, but I don't think I asked for your opinion on how I tip. Did I? Nope, don't think that I did. Jerk? The only jerking I do is when I masturbate, thinking I'm pulling on your nose!Hey, whatever turns you on.
Here's a tip.
You should never post your opinions on a public forum, if you can't handle legitimate, on topic responses.
Have a good day!
Bravo, at the Rio termas like 4 x4 and others, the staff even ask for a tip form gringos: you fuck the hoe, she wants a tip; in the locker room 10,000 Brazilian men will pass the lady who cleans it, but when a gringo passes she asks for a tip; at the desk when you pay your bill, the girl adding the bill wants a tip; the girl at the desk who runs your card wants a tip; and when you leave and give the exit receipt to the door man he wants a tip. But none will ask a Brazilian for a tip because that's not how it's suppose to go.
In Sosua it's the same damn thing. Let the dummies five the tip, because guess what, they hoes will ask for a tip even if they give lousy service. They don't know what tipping is about except they think you will give it because they ask. It's all about about much money people in these countries can get and how much you can keep. All this banter and philosophizing that gringoes do on this board means nothing to the locals. There are even grown men who will come up to a gringo in Sosua an complain that he business is bad and he needs gas for his bike; there are kids who approach you rubbing their belles for change; like hoes who say they need to get their hair done..Man you speaking the truth! Girls tell me all the time they do not tip! I let them pay for every fucking thing!
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And that is exactly why they act the way they do. For so long mongers have said it's only $7. I don't care if it is 50 cent. If you break the agreement there is no way you should be expecting full payment.
In my eyes she should have been thinking wow I didn't even finish the job and this guy is still giving me 1500 pesos; only $7 less than if I would have completed the job. I should not gladly be paying full price (or more if she had her way) for a partial job
Only my opinion Mr. E, but for $7 bucks, I would have avoided the confrontation and involving other people, potentially the cops, in the drama.
The same scenario happened to me my last time down there. I posted it here. She held out, I held out and because she caved first I saved a couple bucks.
But, If she didn't cave first, I was ready to give her what she asked for just to avoid the escalated drama.
Mr. E I agree with all your logic in your responses, however I am still a bit puzzled as to why all the drama occured if the the first session with her was off the charts. As far as paying the $ 7 to avoid all the confrontation, I'm assuming your speak Spanish well as I think a lot of guys would of just coughed up the money.
Can't argue with the principle.
But when I'm on vacation, I don't need to argue about a bad meal or a bad trick, I just move on, and don't go back.
Others are more vigilant, and good for them.
If I thought I could teach them a lesson that would in any way change their core behaviour, it might not be a such a waste of time, but try to school a puta?
There was a guy dying on a pedestrian crosswalk. "But, I had the right of way", he was shouting, as the truck that hit him drove off. Well, he was right, but he was dead,The bottom line here. We can only think in one head. What difference does it make how somebody else handled a situation for themselves? It aint going to affect us any. Thats just the way that individual handled it. We can give testimony all day of how we would have handled it. But why do that? To get somebody to change to our way of thinking? All were going to do is disappoint because were going to do things acording to how we see fit in that moment.
Truth be told. There is no hard and fast rule on how to handle such instances. When it's you in the moment with a particular individual you will act, perform or handle the situation according to how you assessed the situation in THAT moment. Maybe another time you may do things differently. That reinforces the fact that where you stand in or on the issue depends on where you sit. Were already gamblers just by participating in this activity.
As far as arguing or drama is concerned, that's an issue of personal tolerance. Additionally, playing games of power with these chicas can be fun. Whats important while gambling is knowing your limitations or be prepared to deal with any consequences for your stance if things go completely south. BTW, I like some of the analogies you guys were using. Debatable but I like them.
For instance. The hit pedestrian. Yes in principle he was right, but he's dead. I get that. In Mr E's case, the situation never got to the point of serious injury or death. But we do understand the principle. Everything in Mr E's scenario was merely potentials. The pedestrian in the analogy was clearly hit and done. An extreme situation in comparison.
I also am in accord with what's the point of schooling a puta? Well it might not be soley about schooling a puta. But playing a game of chess to see who comes out on top. Of course one crux of the issue is, why bother, or I don't have time for that. Fine, let those that do have time for that, enjoy the game for what it's worth. If they fail, then it's on them. What happens to them is not going to seep into our systems and destroy us. That problem will be his and his alone. When faced with your own problem to solve, then we can do what we feel is best for us in that moment. You might even find yourself being a hypocrite and doing something different than what you thought you would. Just because now you are assessing your own standoff, it's potential outcomes, and made a judgement that you are going to come out on top. Thats my thoughts on that matter.
In my eyes she should have been thinking wow I didn't even finish the job and this guy is still giving me 1500 pesos; only $7 less than if I would have completed the job. I should not gladly be paying full price (or more if she had her way) for a partial jobAnd instead, in her eyes she may have been thinking, "I gave this mofo some good pussy, he should be giving me a propina, and I shoulda got 2500 in the first fucking place". I'm out of here! LOL Two people in essence trying to think in each others head of how things should have been.
I am getting ready to start my second night in Sosua for the trip. I just thought I would give a brief update. It is true the latins is closed, it hasn't seemed to really affect the quantity or quality. I have noticed an increased police presence. I am not sure what they are looking for but it seems to have everybody on their best behavior, like mom and dad are watching. I do like that they are keeping the little begger kids away from the stretch and there is lots of tables and seating where the motos used to sit and wait. The current trend seems to be rumbas then head to Classico, damn Classico is over priced, 100 pesos to get in and 150 for a small presidente. I do miss the dancing and atmosphere of latins. On the positive there are plenty of beautiful ladies out. I have been happy with my 2 so far and hope to keep it that way. On a side hotel note, I booked very last minute and blindly picked hotel Europa. It's been pretty good, very good price, clean room, great atmosphere hotel bar, the wifi sucks in room but okay at the bar.
Ipanema Carioca
06-20-14, 03:45
Hey, whatever turns you on.
Here's a tip.
You should never post your opinions on a public forum, if you can't handle legitimate, on topic responses.
Have a good day!So you're the posting police huh hillbilly! LOL!
Ipanema Carioca
06-20-14, 03:47
Man you speaking the truth! Girls tell me all the time they do not tip! I let them pay for every fucking thing!
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Chris Bigdog
06-20-14, 04:15
I live in NY, an expensive place to live well, which I try to do. I'm not a sport fucker - 3 different girls a day, preferring the GFE experience and don't negotiate with the girls the night before, pretty much at all. If the girl tells me as we're getting cozy at a bar what she expects, fine. I've been going to Sosua for 8+ years and am generous and word has gotten around.
The girls all talk and ones I have been with want to be with me again, and typically want to be with me my whole trip. If I'm not interested they steer their prettiest friends my way.
Good karma.
If I'm ruining the budget monger's preference that I pay 1 k or 2 k, frankly I don't give a shit, go get a better job.
I put money in their purse in the morning, with a couple hundred pesos for moto concho money.
And I enjoy myself immensely!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-V_vb9wTc
Are you in your f-ing mind to argue over 300 pesos? Majority of girls are on drugs and carry knives, razors etc.
The girl in the video is still working on the strip BTW. And that was acp 45. Are you going to confront them over the cost of a Band-Aid box?
The bottom line here. We can only think in one head. What difference does it make how somebody else handled a situation for themselves? It aint going to affect us any. Thats just the way that individual handled it. We can give testimony all day of how we would have handled it. But why do that? To get somebody to change to our way of thinking? All were going to do is disappoint because were going to do things acording to how we see fit in that moment.
Truth be told. There is no hard and fast rule on how to handle such instances. When it's you in the moment with a particular individual you will act, perform or handle the situation according to how you assessed the situation in THAT moment. Maybe another time you may do things differently. That reinforces the fact that where you stand in or on the issue depends on where you sit. Were already gamblers just by participating in this activity.
As far as arguing or drama is concerned, that's an issue of personal tolerance. Additionally, playing games of power with these chicas can be fun. Whats important while gambling is knowing your limitations or be prepared to deal with any consequences for your stance if things go completely south. BTW, I like some of the analogies you guys were using. Debatable but I like them.
For instance. The hit pedestrian. Yes in principle he was right, but he's dead. I get that. In Mr E's case, the situation never got to the point of serious injury or death. But we do understand the principle. Everything in Mr E's scenario was merely potentials. The pedestrian in the analogy was clearly hit and done. An extreme situation in comparison.
I also am in accord with what's the point of schooling a puta? Well it might not be soley about schooling a puta. But playing a game of chess to see who comes out on top. Of course one crux of the issue is, why bother, or I don't have time for that. Fine, let those that do have time for that, enjoy the game for what it's worth. If they fail, then it's on them. What happens to them is not going to seep into our systems and destroy us. That problem will be his and his alone. When faced with your own problem to solve, then we can do what we feel is best for us in that moment. You might even find yourself being a hypocrite and doing something different than what you thought you would. Just because now you are assessing your own standoff, it's potential outcomes, and made a judgement that you are going to come out on top. Thats my thoughts on that matter.I have had my own positive and negative experiences with paying women. Usually I'll try to agree on a price and what I'd like before hand. And let her know that if I'm happy with her, then I'll be happy to tip her. If I'm not, then we'll stick to the price she accepts. Out of 10 women, I'd say 3 perform well enough to get a tip. 3 are average and accept the agreed upon price without much argument, and I'd say 4 are average in performance or do not perform well, and argue with wanting more than what was agreed on. Now, that's just my experience and this can vary for others. In the situation where she does not accept the agreed upon price but wants more, I'll let her know the price we set. If she persists, I'll let her know that I was not that happy with her, but maybe if I see her later on I'll think about having her again. By this time, maybe 2 of the 4 will go with it and situation over. I have never repeated with a girl I've had a bad experience with. And then you'll have 2 who persist and I will generally meet her halfway. Back in late 2013 I remember being with a girl who did not perform well and we had agreed on 2,000 pesos. When I was pulling out the cash, she said 3,000 pesos. I let her know we agreed on 2,000. She gave the excuse of her rent is due the next day and she has groceries to pay. Your typical excuses. I let her know again, 2,000 is what we agreed on. She did not want to back off with the 3,000. In the end, I gave her 2,500 pesos. Did she deserve that? No. Could I have held out and remained firm on 2,000. Sure. Could I have even just thrown 1,500 at her because I wasn't happy? Yes, but I decided it just wasn't worth the extra effort for what is really a small amount (to me. Others may feel differently). I have never been in a situation where the cops are called or she has threatened to call the police or someone else she knows.
What you said does make sense. And yes, we will do as we see fit in that situation. But the advice given was reasonable. The way I look at it (and it's just my opinion). This is not my country. I am not the authority. Doesn't matter if I am paying someone for a service. I have traveled to many countries, and seen a lot in my life. As I am sure that many of you have as well. If there's one thing I have learned in these situations, you're best off by giving the extra money and not taking a chance. Look, I am all about agreements. I am from the United States. Over here if a provider does not deliver on service, I can easily dispute it. But in another country, it's just different. We all hope we don't get taken advantage of, and in many situations the girls will keep their word. But this is a third world country, incomes are low, there is corruption with what are "law enforcement" agencies, and I'm just a visitor. Why would I want to take a chance? There are consequences in these situations. I have the choice of remaining firm and seeing where it goes, or simply giving the extra money and let the situation be over with. There is one choice that carries more risk than the other. In many third world countries, I have seen the choice of not giving in. Lead to some devastating consequences for others. We are all wanting to enjoy this hobby, but there are dangers with it as well. And I believe that if let's say I have to deal with the police at some stage, I'm likely going to be spending more money in the end with just trying to get out of a situation I know could have been avoided. I get that she didn't stick to the agreement. But is it really worth risking? For $7, or $0. 50? Again. I'm not a Dominican citizen, I'm not a Dominican resident, I'm just a visitor. By trying to show that I'm in command, getting into a physical altercation with another individual, in a country where I'm just a visitor. You not only risk being in a bad situation, but these types of things tend to have ripple effects. I can't control every situation and who knows how any situation will really end. But I prefer to minimize my risk of dealing with a potentially bad situation. I'm not going to get into a physical altercation with a woman, in any country. Just because I think I'm the boss and in control because I have the money and you don't screw me over by breaking an agreement, when I'm a visitor in your country. I believe that type of mindset. Will come back to hurt a person. Maybe not in DR, maybe not in the immediate term. But I know there are limits in testing locals in other countries.
I hope no matter what route a person takes, everyone remains safe and we continue to enjoy this hobby for as long as possible. My two cents.
But the advice given was reasonable.My issue wasnt whether any advice was reasonable or not. We all know what is reasonable. My point was, the choice is for that individual to make. Everything you said about the risks and us being in their country, that is pre understood. I agree wholeheartedly. However, the fact remains that individual is the one taking the risk or having to deal with any consequences, not us. Nobody elses logic, testimony or experience is going to change that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-V_vb9wTc
Are you in your f-ing mind to argue over 300 pesos? Majority of girls are on drugs and carry knives, razors etc.
The girl in the video is still working on the strip BTW. And that was acp 45. Are you going to confront them over the cost of a Band-Aid box?Playing devils advocate. Is it about the principle or is it about the amount? Suppose the issue here was over 300 us dollars? Would the majority of girls on drugs and carrying knives, razors stop you from arguing with said chica? Or would you pay the money to avoid being sliced? Besides what does the majority of girls fitting that description have to do with the one in front of you? Whats important is, if the girl in front of you is carrying, not what the majority of girls are carrying. If you are reasonably certain the girl in front of you does not have something to cut you with, would you pay the 300 US just to avoid an argument?
My issue wasnt whether any advice was reasonable or not. We all know what is reasonable. My point was, the choice is for that individual to make. Everything you said about the risks and us being in their country, that is pre understood. I agree wholeheartedly. However, the fact remains that individual is the one taking the risk or having to deal with any consequences, not us. Nobody elses logic, testimony or experience is going to change that.While the choice is for that individual to make, that choice can have an affect in ways we might not realize. Suppose that resistance leads to a situation where an individual is harmed physically. It's definitely not unheard of, and again. When you're in a country where you're just a visitor, and especially a third world country with elements of corruption that exist in daily life. It can happen. If more people behave like that, it can lead to more locals believing that visitors are disrespecting their country. I mean. Twisting her wrists, throwing her on the bed and pinning her down, and telling her what she's going to get paid. Over that type of an amount, what good really comes out of that? One time I was sitting at one of the bars in Sosua where an expat who had been there for some time expressed concerns about how men visiting Sosua are starting to have the tendency of thinking they are ones in charge and keep forgetting that this isn't their country and how such behavior will eventually put others at risk because of the perceived perception and he had given some examples of incidents in town, things I cannot verify but have no reason to doubt. It was an interesting discussion. So while we are all responsible for our choices, and should recognize that there are consequences for those choices. That decision could impact the way others get treated. I mean. With all due respect, but what is there to feel proud about the fact that you threw a woman and displayed your physical dominance and saving 300 pesos? 300 pesos? But you know that it could have been a bad situation, and the more people do this. The more resistance there will be on the other side, we are not in charge in a country that is not ours and history shows that such behavior will only have bad consequences. Hey, apparently she broke her agreement and she was not honest. But 1800 pesos was agreed on. I always try to negotiate the number of pops rather than assume something is the way it is just because it's the typical norm for TLN. If that was not agreed to or confirmed at least, who is really right in that situation? Why not just give that and let the situation be over with? In the end, she would get paid the figure that was mentioned and it's just a case of she didn't perform well and wasn't honest. But by just giving her what you feel she should get instead (an amount which was never mentioned). How is that right? Two wrongs don't make a right. We all face situations where we have good experiences and bad experiences. Hopefully more people have good than bad, but we should all have some common sense and recognize our boundaries and the consequences your decisions can have not only for yourself. But potentially for others as well. And once again, I hope everyone has a safe experience in the DR. This site has been incredibly useful to me. I have found Mr. E's posts on his experiences to be among the most detailed and helpful.
Grandnash84
06-20-14, 07:05
I was in sosua a couple weeks ago and meet some guys from the states. Their first time there. One of them asked me how to handle out of control chicas. He said something about agreeing tln overnight for $100. But when it was time to leave she started going pysco and started throwing shit in the room. Obivisouly the story I got don't really make any sense. Who the fuck pays $100 tln then the chicas asks for $50 more? Anyway he said he threw her the $50 and got her out. He asked what was the right thing to do since he said he felt played giving her the extra $50. I said you did the best thing possible. Give that punta the money and get her the fuck out. That $50 aint worth the trouble if the cops come etc. That was the best thing possible. Don't let $50 or any reasonable amount of money ruin your vacation. Just pay and move onto the next. On a side note, been going to sosua for 3 years 4 times a year and never once have I had a chica try to scam me or rob me for more money. I always agree on a price before I leave with her. Like other members say, its about how you treat the girl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-V_vb9wTc
Are you in your f-ing mind to argue over 300 pesos? Majority of girls are on drugs and carry knives, razors etc.
The girl in the video is still working on the strip BTW. And that was acp 45. Are you going to confront them over the cost of a Band-Aid box?That girl is still working the strip! Man what was that about? Who is she? Stay away from that fool.
I was in sosua a couple weeks ago and meet some guys from the states. Their first time there. One of them asked me how to handle out of control chicas. He said something about agreeing tln overnight for $100. But when it was time to leave she started going pysco and started throwing shit in the room. Obivisouly the story I got don't really make any sense. Who the fuck pays $100 tln then the chicas asks for $50 more? Anyway he said he threw her the $50 and got her out. He asked what was the right thing to do since he said he felt played giving her the extra $50. I said you did the best thing possible. Give that punta the money and get her the fuck out. That $50 aint worth the trouble if the cops come etc. That was the best thing possible. Don't let $50 or any reasonable amount of money ruin your vacation. Just pay and move onto the next. On a side note, been going to sosua for 3 years 4 times a year and never once have I had a chica try to scam me or rob me for more money. I always agree on a price before I leave with her. Like other members say, its about how you treat the girl.No one ever talks about when it is on reasonable what do you do? When do you say no? Let's just say it out of your reach or what she's asking for is too expensive for you what do you do when you can't pay itI have never ran into this problem but it advice for somebody who may end up in that situation.
Ipanema Carioca
06-20-14, 10:31
Things are getting politically hot in Sosua!
Vice Mayor withdraws from coalition.
The vice mayor of Sosúa, Mr. Wilfredo Olivenses (Willy El Chamo), announced to a local TV station that he had withdrawn from the coalition with the PRD.
The PRD (Partido Revolucionario Dominicano) is the ruling party in Sosúa. Willy said in an interview with Edgar Thomas Pelegríand in 'La Voz del Pueblo' program that he feels passed. Thanks to his support and the votes for him, Ilana Neumann was able to win the mayor election in 2010 in Sosúa. Willy said he had now returned to the ranks of his own party 'Partido Social Christian Reformist' (PRSC). Whether this decision is motivated by the closure of his bar the'Latin in Pedro Clisante, he did not explicitly express in this conversation.
I was in sosua a couple weeks ago and meet some guys from the states. Their first time there. One of them asked me how to handle out of control chicas. He said something about agreeing tln overnight for $100. But when it was time to leave she started going pysco and started throwing shit in the room. Obivisouly the story I got don't really make any sense. Who the fuck pays $100 tln then the chicas asks for $50 more? Anyway he said he threw her the $50 and got her out. He asked what was the right thing to do since he said he felt played giving her the extra $50. I said you did the best thing possible. Give that punta the money and get her the fuck out. That $50 aint worth the trouble if the cops come etc. That was the best thing possible. Don't let $50 or any reasonable amount of money ruin your vacation. Just pay and move onto the next. On a side note, been going to sosua for 3 years 4 times a year and never once have I had a chica try to scam me or rob me for more money. I always agree on a price before I leave with her. Like other members say, its about how you treat the girl.I never heard of that kind of money being demanded in my 20 or so visits. I get a lot of info on the puta "scene" from my GF who is well connected. Usually it's a marginal amount, 500 to 1500 pesos which the putas feel is no big deal to a rich (as they perceive it) gringo, and that in many cases they can get away with. They are not all stupid, and most have enough street smarts to quickly size up the gringo's tendencies, often better than he can read hers.
Sexuality is obviously a complicated subject and we are all different, as my GF likes to say. Some like to take charge, dominate, taking the initiative, undressing the chica, telling her what, where, when and how to do it. Others like to let the chica take the initiative, laying back and enjoying the experience. It's all good.
One thing is for sure, there are no hard and fast rules, one size doesn't fit all, and a newbie can do what I did when I first got here, peruse the board for the posts that most match your personal inclinations, and discard what you don't think fits you.
There's a wealth of good advice to be had here, it's probably the best source of information on Sosua.
Use it wisely, and you'll believe like me, that Sosua is a rare paradise, always have a great time, and can't wait to get back.
While the choice is for that individual to make, that choice can have an affect in ways we might not realize. Suppose that resistance leads to a situation where an individual is harmed physically. It's definitely not unheard of, and again.You are correct somebody could have been physically harmed when that situation escalated, him or the chica. Each individual took a risk of something deadly possibly jumping off.
When you're in a country where you're just a visitor, and especially a third world country with elements of corruption that exist in daily life. It can happen. If more people behave like that, it can lead to more locals believing that visitors are disrespecting their country. I mean. Twisting her wrists, throwing her on the bed and pinning her down, and telling her what she's going to get paid. Over that type of an amount, what good really comes out of that? One time I was sitting at one of the bars in Sosua where an expat who had been there for some time expressed concerns about how men visiting Sosua are starting to have the tendency of thinking they are ones in charge and keep forgetting that this isn't their country and how such behavior will eventually put others at risk because of the perceived perception and he had given some examples of incidents in town, things I cannot verify but have no reason to doubt. It was an interesting discussion. So while we are all responsible for our choices, and should recognize that there are consequences for those choices. That decision could impact the way others get treated.What you are saying is a matter of projecting. Projecting our assumptions of what we think others are thinking about us. And making assumptions of what possible outcomes may be.
I assume you saw me write this before, you can only think in one head. We don't know what locals are really thinking in every situation that occurs in their country. For all we know, they may already think we are disrespecting them. Someone here said something to the effect that he doesn't want to rub his wealth in their faces. Meaning he felt by dressing a certain way, spending his money a certain way, or carrying expensive items on his person he was rubbing his wealth in dominicans faces. Thats another example of projecting ones own thoughts and concerns and assigning it to how other people are supposedly thinking about you. On the other hand, I do believe enough dominicans or locals tolerate us. I believe our presence may spark feelings of envy and jealousy. Not us disrespecting them. We can do things in their country many can't do, or struggle to do. On the other hand, since they may not be able to get these things on their own, enough locals benefit from the finances and resources we bring to their country. So in that regard, that is what they may respect in regards to our presence. Which will trump the notion we are here disrespecting them.
Enough of these women will tell you how fucked up their own dominican men are. Some are lying and some are being truthful about their own men. So when an altercation between a foreigner escalates into grabbing wrists, and shoving on the bed after a previous night of passion, I think that is relatively minor than what many of these women are used to from their own dominican boyfriends or husbands knocking the shit out of them. Not paying for shit, abandoning them, and the whole machismo thing enough women speak of and detest. The scenario in question is far from that. So I wouldn't be worrying about a nation of dominicans thinking foreigners are disrespecting them in their country.
Besides, women voluntarily prostituting themselves, they arent exactly the cream of the crop in dominican society, and I doubt foreigners who solicit them started off on a high moral standard in the eyes of local dominicans or expats anyway. In other words, we were probably fucked in terms of our reputation just by what we do in their country. Another way to look at it. Maybe we are being too sensitive over what we think dominicans or expats think about us. In this country, there are cabanas all over the place. Which suggests to me, fucking like rabbits is very common in this country. And I'm sure there is bound to be a few disputes even between dominican couples that may lead to someone getting hurt. But would we be hearing talk about the reputation of a whole nation of dominicans going down the tubes because of some ripple effect from a few escalated incidents?
How about the thousands and thousands of incidents and hookups and WU novios where things went smoothly between a puta and a foreigner? Or the foreigners that have married or shacked up with dominican women in the DR? Does that also have a ripple effect on peoples perception? Are locals capable of deducing and distinguishing bad incidents with a foreigner and a puta does not represent the mindset and behavior of all foreigners? People in developed nations have people in it who are just as ignorant as in any third world country. You always will have ignorant folks making blanket catch all statements of a particular group.
I have also heard or talked to expats making ignorant statements about certain behavior they observed in guys on vacation, and immediately attributed to those guys being new yorkers.
Just look at the way the rumor mill works in Sosua. It may take a week or more to get one story straight about something that happened. Meanwhile people here and abroad have no problem spreading unsubstantiated information as if it were gospel only to find out a bunch of that shit was false or completely distorted.
How about the reputation of chicas who cheated, lied, and set mongers up to be arrested? Has that tarnished the rep of all putas just because a few were fucked up? From what I have seen many guys have moved on because of their concerns or simply felt they have outgrown Sosua or the DR. Meanwhile thousands of guys have willingly replaced them knowing full well what may have happened. You got guys here a few years under their belts had only minor problems with chicas. They have not assumed all chicas are fucked up because a few were. I sure haven't adopted that belief even though a couple of individuals on this board try desperately to assign that feeling to me.
So I wouldn't worry about incidents like what happened to Mr E being the ripple effect that destroys the reputation or paints a picture of most foreigners. That incident is what it is. An unfortunate incident. Ignorance is bound to emerge no matter what the circumstances may be.
As far as I'm concerned, guys like me are representing ourselves quite well, and staying within the boundaries of the law, and monger social custom. I have not had any issues with any locals giving cause to believe I represent a disrespectful group of individuals who also come to the DR. If everybody was that ignorant, there is no reason anybody would allow us in this country. To live here, to drive here. My landlord shouldn't have rented me an apartment. I believe ignorance is widespread and there just isn't much anybody can do about it collectively. People are going to think what they choose to think. But I wouldn't go around projecting my thoughts about how other people think, and stressing over it. I can only think in one head.
If a monger allows a situation to escalate to where the police are called. That is on him. But I wouldnt attribute corruption from officials as them doing it because some man is being disrespectful in their country. I would attribute their behavior to seeing an opportunity and trying to take advantage. Look at Mr E's recent car accident? A local nearby was whining about him not letting the police get involved because of corruption. The police did get involved, but it did not turn into Mr E getting bamboozled out of any money. Sure the situations are different. But my point is, he was still a foreigner and nothing out of the ordinary happened or nothing escalated just because the police got involved.
Sure a group of expats can get together and have a good convo about the subject. But that doesn't mean their conclusions and assumptions about how things are going to change is true. I have not seen one regulation or attempt to organize or control how mongers are supposed to handle a dispute with putas / chicas. And please share, what ripple effect has happened from Mr E's situation or the thousands like his that already occured? Surely we have enough evidence to show a specific pattern we can draw from? My point is if it hasnt happened yet, when will it happen? Change is going to come whether we like it or not. At one point guys talked about GFE was more a norm. Now it's about getting the money and bouncing being more common. We have to accept how things keep evolving even if you arent personally responsible, and not assume changes in the mongering scene is in response to locals supposedly feeling disrespected by foreigners. If one wants GFE he can still find it. Just don't expect to find it within a harder core environment like Sosua.
I mean. With all due respect, but what is there to feel proud about the fact that you threw a woman and displayed your physical dominance and saving 300 pesos? 300 pesos? But you know that it could have been a bad situation, and the more people do this.The more resistance there will be on the other side, we are not in charge in a country that is not ours and history shows that such behavior will only have bad consequences.I didn't know that situation included Mr E being proud of the physical part of the altercation? I thought he was merely telling his side of what happened. Personally, I do not appreciate when people put their own spin on my state of mind and assign it to me. I got a few tastes of that in this forum. One recent, when I shared a story about a regular of mine who was late and also changed the agreed plan. What I said got twisted to mean something else. The way I read Mr E's account. The woman initiated the physical part by her own behavior. If I was in the same situation of trying to leave through a door and some chica got in my way, I might move her out of my way too. If she were to assault me, like he reported, I might grab her hands too.
As far as the money is concerned, it's a personal choice if a dude wants to pay or standoff. If we were talking 300 dollars instead of 300 hundred pesos, would you part with the money as quickly? I wouldn't. 300 pesos, I probably would have paid her, and chalked it up to my bad. I read Mr GoGo's response. And what he said is something to take into consideration. That chica stayed until 10 the next morning. It is reasonable that if a dude wanted to hit that again, for him to get it done before a chica may be ready to hit the road. But we werent there, and we don't know if he tried to hit it around 7 or 8 and she shrugged him off. Giving him the impression for him to wait until she woke up. That could also have happened. But in general, it should be the guys responsibility to express interest in getting his 2nd pop and doing it at the best opportunity, not at the 11th hour so to speak. Most of my TLN's are one pop, but that's been by choice. I have had a few where the chica initiated 2nd and even 3rd pops. In the morning, I tend to like willing partners moreso than somebody just doing duty, and aint into it.
Hey, apparently she broke her agreement and she was not honest. But 1800 pesos was agreed on. I always try to negotiate the number of pops rather than assume something is the way it is just because it's the typical norm for TLN. If that was not agreed to or confirmed at least, who is really right in that situation? Why not just give that and let the situation be over with? In the end, she would get paid the figure that was mentioned and it's just a case of she didn't perform well and wasn't honest. But by just giving her what you feel she should get instead (an amount which was never mentioned). How is that right? Two wrongs don't make a right. We all face situations where we have good experiences and bad experiences. Hopefully more people have good than bad, but we should all have some common sense and recognize our boundaries and the consequences your decisions can have not only for yourself. But potentially for others as well. And once again, I hope everyone has a safe experience in the DR. This site has been incredibly useful to me. I have found Mr. E's posts on his experiences to be among the most detailed and helpful.Playing devils advocate again, take all risks and concerns about what locals think about us off the table, if she indeed broke her agreement what is wrong with her not getting paid the full amount? Why should a monger bear the expense everytime a chica is dishonest or not forthright? If I recall, Mr E did ask her how much does she expect to be paid. I didn't get the impression he just decided to give her less money. She wasnt willing to re negotiate, and left it up to him what to give.
As far as pops go, I wouldn't necessarily negotiate for pops, just get it straight that I want two pops. I would not leave anything up to a chica supposedly knowing the amount of pops come with a TLN. That should be discussed beforehand. Number of pops is not particularly a concern of mine, because I am usually content with one pop. I have paid my regulars about 2000 to 2200 for TLN. Whatever number of pops comes out of that, I'm cool with. If I wanted more, it would be reasonable to seek that before the chica needs to leave. Most of the chicas I know sleep like logs and have no interest in popping anything in the morning. Maybe it's because of the good job I did the night before. That could be a good thing. LOL.
one time i was sitting at one of the bars in sosua where an expat who had been there for some time expressed concerns about how men visiting sosua are starting to have the tendency of thinking they are ones in charge and keep forgetting that this isn't their country and how such behavior will eventually put others at risk because of the perceived perception and he had given some examples of incidents in town, things i cannot verify but have no reason to doubt. i think this sense of entitlement can only lead to problems.
remember the history of mr. e's sequence of misadventures.
1. he was in an auto accident. technically it probably was not his fault as he decided to execute his right to make a left turn from a standstill start in a two-lane highway and was hit by a following vehicle that tried to pass him. however, there is no point in exercising a right to turn if you don't give the following vehicle (which may have been speeding) enough time to stop, especially when you are the one most likely to get killed. better to make absolutely sure the road is clear before making a left turn from standing still and getting killed, even if you did have the right of way.
2. he refused to pay the itbis tax and service charge in a beachside restaurant in juan dolio and just threw down the money of the menu price and walked off. in spite of being an experienced world traveler, he did this because he was under the impression that the additional percentages were just an illegal gringo tax that he was not obliged to pay and this was his form of protest. it was not about the money, but about his sense of justice. however it is well documented that the dr has an 18% itbis tax and that the government has authorized restaurants to add a 10% service charge. (the traveler comes from a country where it is normal for restaurants to add a sales tax that is not included in the menu price and for diners to pay a tip or service charge of 15-20%, so he cannot be entirely unfamiliar with the concept.).
however when leaving town he passed a "huelga" or street protest and complains that these people are wasting everyone's time including his and their own, when actually they may well be protesting the same tax that he is protesting, albeit in their own chosen manner.
3. after these misadventures mr. e. engages a prostitute for an all night session for 1800 pesos under the mistaken impression that there is a standard implied contract that there will be sex at night and again in the morning included at that price point. however recent posts on this board suggest that 1800 pesos is at the lower end of the range for an overnight stay, and that repeat sex in the morning is not necessarily implied either unless specifically negotiated. mr. e. is a person who is more used to relationships with dominican "non-pros" and financially independent women --women who give him sex for no charge, which is a very different situation. however mr. e. assumes that he has a watertight contract and that he is entitled to renegotiate it in the morning as the second sexual encounter that he was expecting was not forthcoming and based on this assumption that he is in the right is willing to allow the situation to degenerate into what one might call a domestic violence situation where the outcome is unpredictable.
he tries to renegotiate by offering 1500 pesos, the woman makes a counter offer of a higher amount, but instead of meeting her in the middle and parting amicably, the whole process of negotiation breaks down, because he has no intention of finding a mutually agreeable compromise. again it is not about the money, but because of his keen sense of justice and his feelings of unfairness because he did not get the second pop he was expecting.
very likely she desperately needs the money to pay her bills or to meet the needs of her dependents. he, on the other hand, is only motivated by a keen desire for justice.
this is a dangerous situation because, as others have indicated, the woman may have a weapon, friends in the police, a gangster boyfriend, or just the capacity to speak evil of her customer around sosua, which is a very small town. when you are a foreigner in a place where many of the other people are related to each or have known each other from kindergarten, you can never be sure who knows who or what is being said behind the scenes.
4. we still have not heard the final outcome of this episode. who thinks the couple eventually kissed and made up and agreed to meet again the next night for more hanky-panky, and who thinks the gentleman left town the same day?
aren't we seeing a pattern of entitled behavior here?
Most of my TLN's are one pop, but that's been by choice. I have had a few where the chica initiated 2nd and even 3rd pops. In the morning, I tend to like willing partners more so than somebody just doing duty, and ain't into it.
As far as pops go, I wouldn't necessarily negotiate for pops, just get it straight that I want two pops. I would not leave anything up to a chica supposedly knowing the amount of pops come with a TLN. That should be discussed beforehand. Number of pops is not particularly a concern of mine, because I am usually content with one pop. I have paid my regulars about 2000 to 2200 for TLN. Whatever number of pops comes out of that, I'm cool with. If I wanted more, it would be reasonable to seek that before the chica needs to leave. Most of the chicas I know sleep like logs and have no interest in popping anything in the morning. Maybe it's because of the good job I did the night before. That could be a good thing. LOL.Pop's on my last trip varied from 2 to 5 for a TLN with my DC girls. Seems like two Pop's is what most guys expect (Mr. E as an example) for a TLN where there has been no discussion of the number of Pops beforehand. For guys going with girls off the Strip for the first time it would be wise to clarify beforehand. As far as Chicas sleeping like logs I agree with that, perhaps it's the comfortable beds / blankets and air conditioning. As far as the Chicas having no interest in sex in the morning, well I've been lucky, my DC girls like it the morning after sleeping like logs.
i think this sense of entitlement can only lead to problems.
remember the history of mr. e's sequence of misadventures.
1. he was in an auto accident. technically it probably was not his fault as he decided to execute his right to make a left turn from a standstill start in a two-lane highway and was hit by a following vehicle that tried to pass him. however, there is no point in exercising a right to turn if you don't give the following vehicle (which may have been speeding) enough time to stop, especially when you are the one most likely to get killed. better to make absolutely sure the road is clear before making a left turn from standing still and getting killed, even if you did have the right of way.
2. he refused to pay the itbis tax and service charge in a beachside restaurant in juan dolio and just threw down the money of the menu price and walked off. in spite of being an experienced world traveler, he did this because he was under the impression that the additional percentages were just an illegal gringo tax that he was not obliged to pay and this was his form of protest. it was not about the money, but about his sense of justice. however it is well documented that the dr has an 18% itbis tax and that the government has authorized restaurants to add a 10% service charge. (the traveler comes from a country where it is normal for restaurants to add a sales tax that is not included in the menu price and for diners to pay a tip or service charge of 15-20%, so he cannot be entirely unfamiliar with the concept.).
however when leaving town he passed a "huelga" or street protest and complains that these people are wasting everyone's time including his and their own, when actually they may well be protesting the same tax that he is protesting, albeit in their own chosen manner.
3. after these misadventures mr. e. engages a prostitute for an all night session for 1800 pesos under the mistaken impression that there is a standard implied contract that there will be sex at night and again in the morning included at that price point. however recent posts on this board suggest that 1800 pesos is at the lower end of the range for an overnight stay, and that repeat sex in the morning is not necessarily implied either unless specifically negotiated. mr. e. is a person who is more used to relationships with dominican "non-pros" and financially independent women --women who give him sex for no charge, which is a very different situation. however mr. e. assumes that he has a watertight contract and that he is entitled to renegotiate it in the morning as the second sexual encounter that he was expecting was not forthcoming and based on this assumption that he is in the right is willing to allow the situation to degenerate into what one might call a domestic violence situation where the outcome is unpredictable.
he tries to renegotiate by offering 1500 pesos, the woman makes a counter offer of a higher amount, but instead of meeting her in the middle and parting amicably, the whole process of negotiation breaks down, because he has no intention of finding a mutually agreeable compromise. again it is not about the money, but because of his keen sense of justice and his feelings of unfairness because he did not get the second pop he was expecting.
very likely she desperately needs the money to pay her bills or to meet the needs of her dependents. he, on the other hand, is only motivated by a keen desire for justice.
this is a dangerous situation because, as others have indicated, the woman may have a weapon, friends in the police, a gangster boyfriend, or just the capacity to speak evil of her customer around sosua, which is a very small town. when you are a foreigner in a place where many of the other people are related to each or have known each other from kindergarten, you can never be sure who knows who or what is being said behind the scenes.
4. we still have not heard the final outcome of this episode. who thinks the couple eventually kissed and made up and agreed to meet again the next night for more hanky-panky, and who thinks the gentleman left town the same day?
aren't we seeing a pattern of entitled behavior here?can't disagree with what you say for the most part, but i also know that everybody is different.
they have a different personality, different financial situation, different experience - one week newbie vs frequent visitor vs long time resident. they also have different physical attributes like age (big with me) youth, health and strength, extrovert or introvert personality, optimist or pessimist.
they also are single or married, and bring different baggage, bad marriages, frigid wives, even racial prejudices, you name it.
so they all react in different ways to what happens to them.
i say live and let live, but when i'm down there, i avoid the guys that biach and complain about everything like the plague.
we all have our own way to rock, so rock on!
I am getting ready to start my second night in Sosua for the trip. I just thought I would give a brief update. It is true the latins is closed, it hasn't seemed to really affect the quantity or quality. I have noticed an increased police presence. I am not sure what they are looking for but it seems to have everybody on their best behavior, like mom and dad are watching. I do like that they are keeping the little begger kids away from the stretch and there is lots of tables and seating where the motos used to sit and wait. The current trend seems to be rumbas then head to Classico, damn Classico is over priced, 100 pesos to get in and 150 for a small presidente. I do miss the dancing and atmosphere of latins. On the positive there are plenty of beautiful ladies out. I have been happy with my 2 so far and hope to keep it that way. On a side hotel note, I booked very last minute and blindly picked hotel Europa. It's been pretty good, very good price, clean room, great atmosphere hotel bar, the wifi sucks in room but okay at the bar.Personally, I'm glad Classico's has returned. It's been closed for 1 1/2 yrs. You will find a better class of Chica and the atmosphere is more of a club than the'LATINS by far. Can't wait to get back to the old Sosua. Peace.
Maybe I haven't been visiting Sosua long enough, but I have never ventured into Classico's since it was never open during the times I have visited (since August 2013). But is there a reason why Classico's and the'Latins, and Rumba could not all be open? From my understanding, the'Latins closed and Classico's reopened. Is that typical in Sosua?
I am eager to get back in the next few weeks, look forward to the changes and comparing them to my previous experiences.
But is there a reason why Classico's and the'Latins, and Rumba could not all be open? From my understanding, the'Latins closed and Classico's reopened. Is that typical in Sosua?
Always expect the unexpected when it comes to Sosua.
I liked the'Latin when it first opened because the club was wide open; in an open air way. I did not like the uneven floors or the so called dance floor.
Sosua changes like the wind; just go with the flow.
Mr Enternational
06-21-14, 03:25
i think this sense of entitlement can only lead to problems.
remember the history of mr. e's sequence of misadventures.
he tries to renegotiate by offering 1500 pesos, the woman makes a counter offer of a higher amount, but instead of meeting her in the middle and parting amicably, the whole process of negotiation breaks down, because he has no intention of finding a mutually agreeable compromise. again it is not about the money, but because of his keen sense of justice and his feelings of unfairness because he did not get the second pop he was expecting.
very likely she desperately needs the money to pay her bills or to meet the needs of her dependents. he, on the other hand, is only motivated by a keen desire for justice.
aren't we seeing a pattern of entitled behavior here?if by entitled you mean not sitting idly by and smiling as people are ripping me off then you are correct. as far as not allowing people to rip me off leading to problems, well let's just say that after over 100 countries of doing things the way that i do them i have had no real problems. i'm not recommending anyone to go out and try to copy me. like oakie and wrx said we all have different backgrounds, personalities and skill sets and should know our own strengths and weaknesses and be able to detect when things are getting a little too hot in the kitchen for us. i have yet to feel that type of heat.
i am not one to sit by and say that is fine and just pay up when someone tries to wrong me. just like when i was in the dregs of mumbai, india at a place called congress house. you go into the front room of an apartment in the slums and somebody turns on some bright ass lights and rings a buzzer for the girls to come out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebciu6rcku (you can see at the 12 minute mark in the video how it works.) you choose your girl and pay the 800 rupees to the pimp. then you go into a bedroom and wait for your girl. at 3 different apartments those mfs tried to pull a bait and switch. well that girl is no longer available. this girl will service you. no mf. i did not ask for that girl. give me my money back. (of course to you it was only $13, so you would have not only let them keep it, but added $5 to it and left with your dick in your hand.) then the pimps would say no problem, no problem. i said yes there is a fucking problem. if i'm not fucking the girl i chose then give me my money back and i will go somewhere else.
see the mutually agreeable compromise was done beforehand. if the other party comes later and wants to change the deal where they are doing or giving less while expecting me to pay the same or more, then that is unacceptable and there is no way on this green earth that i will agree to it; i don't care where i am. i had never been to india before. i don't speak hindi or whatever other language they might have been speaking in that place. and i was deep in the hood and had no idea where the fuck i was.
if the girl in sosua was that desperate to pay her bills or meet the needs of her dependents, then it seems like she would have taken the additional 20 or so minutes to finish the job and earn the pay that she agreed to. i didn't see anyone in dr giving anything away to me while i was there, and i'm definitely not giving anything away. maybe money is not as easy to come by for me as it is for you. mine is earned dollar by dollar and hour by hour so i refuse to get taken advantage of. what it looks like you are saying is that we all should just give in to people trying to cheat us. well that might work well for someone who does not know any better, but like i said before i have never been a mark and do not intend to start being one today.
we still have not heard the final outcome of this episode. who thinks the couple eventually kissed and made up and agreed to meet again the next night for more hanky-panky, and who thinks the gentleman left town the same day?lol. that all happened sunday morning. i do recall already writing a report that said i was at wrx's crib and i ate pizza at terra linda on sunday night. i have nobody to run or hide from. in case you missed it: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-sosua-reports&p=1581905&viewfull=1#post1581905
Playing devils advocate. Is it about the principle or is it about the amount? Suppose the issue here was over 300 us dollars? Would the majority of girls on drugs and carrying knives, razors stop you from arguing with said chica? Or would you pay the money to avoid being sliced? Besides what does the majority of girls fitting that description have to do with the one in front of you? Whats important is, if the girl in front of you is carrying, not what the majority of girls are carrying. If you are reasonably certain the girl in front of you does not have something to cut you with, would you pay the 300 US just to avoid an argument?No principles at all. Only money. When PN (National Police) will show up, they will ask to pay her RD $2,500 or to pay them the same amount to get rid of her. If you persist and refuse they will take you to the precinct and lock you up. If it's Friday night, you may spend there until Monday or be transferred to Puerto Plata. Now, the clock has been set up. She may complain of abuse. Recently the laws on abuse have been changed for more jail terms and fines. Then your lawyer will appear and demand money. Of couse, there is even scarier scenario where you kick her out or PN does that and then her gloomy chulo starts looking for you. Intermediary shit cost guys in the past about $3 K.
There are some words of advice how to handle it. Ask security guard to take her I'd and check her in and write down the data on the I'd. In case of a dispute ask the security to lead her out of premises. Hand her a reasonable not extortionist amount with the security watchman as a witness, then joke to ease the situation, escort her back to the strip and come back with a new girl. If it happens in the morning and night watchman has already left ask for assistance from hotel management or anyone in the condo.
if by entitled you mean not sitting idly by and smiling as people are ripping me off then you are correct. as far as not allowing people to rip me off leading to problems, well let's just say that after over 100 countries of doing things the way that i do them i have had no real problems. i'm not recommending anyone to go out and try to copy me. like oakie and wrx said we all have different backgrounds, personalities and skill sets and should know our own strengths and weaknesses and be able to detect when things are getting a little too hot in the kitchen for us. i have yet to feel that type of heat.
i am not one to sit by and say that is fine and just pay up when someone tries to wrong me. just like when i was in the dregs of mumbai, india at a place called congress house. you go into the front room of an apartment in the slums and somebody turns on some bright ass lights and rings a buzzer for the girls to come out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebciu6rcku (you can see at the 12 minute mark in the video how it works.) you choose your girl and pay the 800 rupees to the pimp. then you go into a bedroom and wait for your girl. at 3 different apartments those mfs tried to pull a bait and switch. well that girl is no longer available. this girl will service you. no mf. i did not ask for that girl. give me my money back. (of course to you it was only $13, so you would have not only let them keep it, but added $5 to it and left with your dick in your hand.) then the pimps would say no problem, no problem. i said yes there is a fucking problem. if i'm not fucking the girl i chose then give me my money back and i will go somewhere else.
see the mutually agreeable compromise was done beforehand. if the other party comes later and wants to change the deal where they are doing or giving less while expecting me to pay the same or more, then that is unacceptable and there is no way on this green earth that i will agree to it; i don't care where i am. i had never been to india before. i don't speak hindi or whatever other language they might have been speaking in that place. and i was deep in the hood and had no idea where the fuck i was.
if the girl in sosua was that desperate to pay her bills or meet the needs of her dependents, then it seems like she would have taken the additional 20 or so minutes to finish the job and earn the pay that she agreed to. i didn't see anyone in dr giving anything away to me while i was there, and i'm definitely not giving anything away. maybe money is not as easy to come by for me as it is for you. mine is earned dollar by dollar and hour by hour so i refuse to get taken advantage of. what it looks like you are saying is that we all should just give in to people trying to cheat us. well that might work well for someone who does not know any better, but like i said before i have never been a mark and do not intend to start being one today.
lol. that all happened sunday morning. i do recall already writing a report that said i was at wrx's crib and i ate pizza at terra linda on sunday night. i have nobody to run or hide from. in case you missed it: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-sosua-reports&p=1581905&viewfull=1#post1581905no one is saying you should be a mark. and no one is saying that you should simply just pay and leave. what you're describing for your situation in india, is different than your situation in dr. in dr, you agreed on a price with a girl. you had sex with the girl. the girl did not want to have sex in the morning when you did, and you simply decided to pay what you felt was right. she resisted on the money given to her. from there, there was a physical altercation, one thing lead to another and there you go. your situation in india involved picking a girl that you wanted for sex, you went to the room. a different girl came in, and you decided not to pay. did you have sex with the girl that came in? no. so it's not even the same situation. most people would ask for their money back. and indian society behaves differently than dominican society. thankfully, you were able to get your money back and the situation is over. there is absolutely entitlement in your experience in dr. based off the language you used. how can most people not think that? now, that's fine if that's your intention. as i said before your posts and experiences are always helpful. so even if myself, or another person believes that you feel you're entitled. it's just our opinion but that doesn't make the post any less helpful. i'm sure some people found it to be a good read. but again, point being. it's not your country man. you don't show much respect for anything. i don't know you, you don't know me. that's fine. but don't take these things for granted, and thinking you'll be getting your way every single time. if a service is not delivered from the start. it's much easier to dispute and get an investment back. but if you agreed on a price. you had sex with the girl, and decided to pay her what you felt just because she did not want to have sex the next morning when you did. i'm failing to see how you're right. others can see differently. but this is mongering. there are no written contracts, and you can only go by what the woman says and supposedly agrees to. you get into a gray area when there is no agreement on the number of pops. "ok i will pay you 1800 pesos and i want to have sex tonight, and tomorrow morning when we wake up. so two times. if we don't have sex more than once, then i'm not paying the 1800, it will be less. " - if that's the situation that happened, then that's different. but based off what you wrote, that's not what happened. it's great you didn't pay the price you should have paid. and even better that nothing bad happened to you in the end, and you're safe. however, in my opinion and perhaps others. your recent posts do describe a general lack of respect, cockiness, and a elitist attitude towards locals of a country which you are simply a visitor. you never know when that attitude backfires. and backfires in a way which you least expect. you don't need to feel the heat, it can simply happen heat or no heat.
i can tell you that in india, you're especially a bit lucky. the slums of mumbai especially are incredibly dangerous when you are easily identifiable as a foreigner. does not matter if you are taller than them, appear stronger than them, might even be smarter than them. that part of the world my friend, is the last place you want to show an attitude of the kind you write about and have no problem expressing. "no problem, no problem" means acknowledging what you are saying. why you need to follow it up with "yes there is a fucking problem" i don't know, but again. it's your attitude of entitlement, elitism, and general lack of respect. that's how it can be perceived. i will add some more details. i'm a naturalized american citizen. i've lived in the united states for a vast majority of my life. when i read what you say with your most recent experiences. all i see is disrespect and entitlement.
again, glad you're safe. and may it always remain that way.
No one likes being ripped off but why fight so hard for $10. I would have given up the 300 pesos just to get her out of my life. You put your hands on her "assault". Police could have got involved night mare. You have to chose your battles. Last thing we need on our vacations is physical confrontations with our chicas.
Another subject, I am thrilled that Clasicos is back in actions. It was of my favorites spots and I missed it dearly. The women in the place are more attractive then the DLatin crowd.
Mr Enternational
06-21-14, 05:54
Well while the pimp was telling me no problem no problem my money was not moving back into my hand and neither was the girl I had chosen coming in the room. He kept trying to push other girls on me. So yes, there was a problem.
No principles at all. Only money. When PN (National Police) will show up, they will ask to pay her RD $2,500 or to pay them the same amount to get rid of her. If you persist and refuse they will take you to the precinct and lock you up. If it's Friday night, you may spend there until Monday or be transferred to Puerto Plata. Now, the clock has been set up. She may complain of abuse. Recently the laws on abuse have been changed for more jail terms and fines. Then your lawyer will appear and demand money. Of couse, there is even scarier scenario where you kick her out or PN does that and then her gloomy chulo starts looking for you. Intermediary shit cost guys in the past about $3 K.
.Has anyone on this board had or known anyone who had a problem with an angry chulo? I haven't been going to the DR for that long, but I can't say I know of a single incident of a chulo confronting a gringo and demanding more money. Never mind actually trying to get physical! In fact, I have never even seen a fight between an American and a Dominican in Sousua or SD. I've seen arguments, but actual fist fights? Nope!
i can totally relate to your bombay experience 'cause i would have done exactly the same thing and probably had the same outcome. i do have to admire your fortitude given that you're not a local but then, it's all about the game face, i'snt it? i do have to respect your judgement and admire your stand because, imho what you did in sosua will travel thru the chicas and then maybe, just maybe, this proliferation of scamming that we've seen recently will cease.
you absolutely should not need to have an explicit agreement to sex in the morning 'cause wtf else would you be paying extra and possibly for breakfast for? i, most certainly would not have taken your stand in sosua, though, because the place is beginning to scare the shit out of me and i've just resolved to vote with my feet and revert to india, los and ac. hope springs eternal though, and i'm hoping that the resurgence of classicos could mean a reset to a sosua that we've loved.
if by entitled you mean not sitting idly by and smiling as people are ripping me off then you are correct. as far as not allowing people to rip me off leading to problems, well let's just say that after over 100 countries of doing things the way that i do them i have had no real problems. i'm not recommending anyone to go out and try to copy me. like oakie and wrx said we all have different backgrounds, personalities and skill sets and should know our own strengths and weaknesses and be able to detect when things are getting a little too hot in the kitchen for us. i have yet to feel that type of heat.
i am not one to sit by and say that is fine and just pay up when someone tries to wrong me. just like when i was in the dregs of mumbai, india at a place called congress house. you go into the front room of an apartment in the slums and somebody turns on some bright ass lights and rings a buzzer for the girls to come out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebciu6rcku (you can see at the 12 minute mark in the video how it works.) you choose your girl and pay the 800 rupees to the pimp. then you go into a bedroom and wait for your girl. at 3 different apartments those mfs tried to pull a bait and switch. well that girl is no longer available. this girl will service you. no mf. i did not ask for that girl. give me my money back. (of course to you it was only $13, so you would have not only let them keep it, but added $5 to it and left with your dick in your hand.) then the pimps would say no problem, no problem. i said yes there is a fucking problem. if i'm not fucking the girl i chose then give me my money back and i will go somewhere else.
see the mutually agreeable compromise was done beforehand. if the other party comes later and wants to change the deal where they are doing or giving less while expecting me to pay the same or more, then that is unacceptable and there is no way on this green earth that i will agree to it; i don't care where i am. i had never been to india before. i don't speak hindi or whatever other language they might have been speaking in that place. and i was deep in the hood and had no idea where the fuck i was.
if the girl in sosua was that desperate to pay her bills or meet the needs of her dependents, then it seems like she would have taken the additional 20 or so minutes to finish the job and earn the pay that she agreed to. i didn't see anyone in dr giving anything away to me while i was there, and i'm definitely not giving anything away. maybe money is not as easy to come by for me as it is for you. mine is earned dollar by dollar and hour by hour so i refuse to get taken advantage of. what it looks like you are saying is that we all should just give in to people trying to cheat us. well that might work well for someone who does not know any better, but like i said before i have never been a mark and do not intend to start being one today.
lol. that all happened sunday morning. i do recall already writing a report that said i was at wrx's crib and i ate pizza at terra linda on sunday night. i have nobody to run or hide from. in case you missed it: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-sosua-reports&p=1581905&viewfull=1#post1581905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdv8VrldTBk
Surprise to see this video on youtube, showing family dancing on the PEDRO CLISANTE.
there was a secret meeting last night between the pcfwa (pedro clisante female welcoming academy), and the dominican police nationals. the girls are worried about the alarming increase over the last few days of girls being urinated on. the secret investigation is code named "goldie" after rep002s. the prime suspect is african-american, he has also been known to sleep in his car and deserted alleyways, and he was last seen wearing a tee shirt that said "tricks don't get tips". he has also been known to give the girls pissy 1000 p notes.
the police were on the suspects trail for a brief moment but he faked an accident and eluded authorities. authorities fear that he is trying to get to puerto plata and reunite with his two most dangerous henchmen. charles "i love black pussy" pooter and frannie "no friends" patel are considered armed and dangerous. anyone with information is encouraged to contact authorities.
Mr Enternational
06-21-14, 18:58
A wingman who is in Sosua just hit me up:
Man this chic telling me to call the police in Sosua. Same as you, I couldn't do nothing but laugh. She grab a ink pen and tried to stab me. Loco!! Lucy.
For those of you looking to hear stories about lots of sport fucking and acronyms I suggest you just skip my post. I had no intentions of wifeing up this trip but as the chicas say "you happy?" And I am happy it's tough to send her away. I do like varity and know it's all about money here but I believe it is still possible to click with some more than others. This trip I have found a pleasurable GFE experience like I have never had in all my encounters in the states. So this girl has been basically staying with me for the last 2 and half days, when she goes home to get a change of clothes she cooks and brings me back meals, I love that. When we go out to eat she takes me to Dominican places that I probably wouldn't of found on my own. When we are out at night she shoos away the street hustlers and is a pretty good wingwomen for my amigos. So I guess what I sacrifice in varity there are other perks I gain instead. It also doesn't hurt that I think she's still damn sexy. I know some will disagree and think I wasted my trip but it's my vacation and I've had a great time so far.
Ipanema Carioca
06-21-14, 20:22
A wingman who is in Sosua just hit me up:
Man this chic telling me to call the police in Sosua. Same as you, I couldn't do nothing but laugh. She grab a ink pen and tried to stab me. Loco!! Lucy.I had the same experience in Sosua. I told her to call the police. At the same time she can explain to them why she doesn't have her Haitian passport-Because the police got it. She forgot I knew that, which should've been my clue to not fuck with her. Good thing my hotel knows me as a regular. I also have two national police officers that patrol on motorcycles. One has family where I live in the US and I helped his aunt with a traffic warrant situation and took his cousin on a ride along. The NP work in 24 hours and live at the station like most American firefighters. I have their cell numbers and call them if I have a hoe issue. But sometimes you can see them on the steps of the casino. Then there's the Haitian tourist cop with the glasses. I met him with my other LE associate from the states. My advice is you don't always have to follow the hoe script. If you do then every hoe will pull it on you since "they talk" as most fellas believe, then you'll be marked by all hoes as an easy target for that scam. Some girls are wanted and don't want to see the police. I've seen plenty of girls dragged out of the Terra Linda kicking and screaming as the police dragged their asses out and take them to the station. I even witness the tourist police kick down the terra Linda downstairs rest room door to get a hoe who caused a problem and locked herself in. Another note, is the police are opening a new station near where Passions use to be.
SavePros321
06-21-14, 20:23
there was a secret meeting last night between the pcfwa (pedro clisante female welcoming academy), and the dominican police nationals. the girls are worried about the alarming increase over the last few days of girls being urinated on. the secret investigation is code named " goldie" after rep002s. the prime suspect is african-american, he has also been known to sleep in his car and deserted alleyways, and he was last seen wearing a tee shirt that said " tricks don't get tips". he has also been known to give the girls pissy 1000 p notes.
the police were on the suspects trail for a brief moment but he faked an accident and eluded authorities. authorities fear that he is trying to get to puerto plata and reunite with his two most dangerous henchmen. charles "i love black pussy" pooter and frannie " no friends "patel are considered armed and dangerous. anyone with information is encouraged to contact authorities.you a fool. mr. gogo, lmao!
Mr Enternational
06-21-14, 20:41
A wingman who is in Sosua just hit me up:
Man this chic telling me to call the police in Sosua. Same as you, I couldn't do nothing but laugh. She grab a ink pen and tried to stab me. Loco!! Lucy.One part I forgot to copy and paste:
I been hitting that for 4 yrs now. . No Mo!
Mr Enternational
06-21-14, 20:50
I sat down on the couch and waited for the cops to arrive. I snuck a 500 peso bill out of the ID/credit card box that I have been using as a wallet in foreign lands lately. After about 5 minutes a sergeant walked in, followed by a corporal, followed by an officer with no rank. The sergeant went around the room introducing himself. When he came to shake my hand I tried to slide him the 500 peso bill, but he ignored it. He asked for the story.
I yielded to the lady who worked there and asked her to tell him exactly what had happened. She told him that we came out into the hall arguing, with the girl saying that I owed her 2500 pesos and me saying that I had already given her 1500. She said that the girl denied me giving her any money but the lady said she went into the room herself and retrieved the 1500 that was left in there. She said the girl refused to accept the 1500 from her and then tried to change her tune and say that I owed her 3000.
I could tell that upon hearing the story the policemen felt that they really had no business being there. They told us that we needed to work everything out there or we could go down to the station to work it out. The girl held up her wrists and said that I assaulted her. I showed the sergeant where the girl had stretched my shirt collar out of shape and said yes I twisted her wrists because she would not let go of my shirt collar. The girl tried to protest but he saw right through her and told her to drop it.
Again, she said that she would rather go to the police station. I explained to the policemen that the guy who works there only makes 8000 pesos per month, yet the girl expects that I would agree to give her more than a third of that for sex one time and for her to sleep the rest of the night. I told them that I contracted the girl for all night for 1800 pesos, we had sex once in the night and slept, and when we woke up she wanted to go home instead of having sex again. I told them that there was no way that I was paying her to sleep and that if I only wanted sex once then I would have made an agreement for short time. Since she did not want to have sex again I gave her 1500, a mere 300 less than the full 1800.
I scolded the girl in front of them telling her there is no way these gentlemen should be here right now dealing with a problem you created. There are other more important things they could be doing. There are people out committing crimes and you have them here over your foolishness. Again the sergeant said you guys need to work this out here, trying to get us to come to an agreement so they could go about their way. The girl insisted on going to the police station.
With all this going back and forth, in other words going nowhere, I decided that it was time to play the ace that I had been holding on to. I approached the sergeant, who was sitting on the staircase, and handed him my cell phone and said before we go anywhere I would like to phone a friend. At the same time, the guy who worked there told the sergeant that he thought I needed to get to the airport to catch a flight. I said no, I am not going to the airport. I am just going to Puerto Plata to visit a friend. Upon seeing the picture that I had handed him on my cell phone the sergeant let out a short "Mmm" before handing my phone back to me. Checkmate biatch!
He then asked me if I had a car outside. I said yes. He said well get your things and go to your car. As I walked out I threw up a peace sign. He followed behind me. As I put my things into the trunk I apologized that they had to come out and deal with this ridiculous situation. Just then the girl walked outside. As she passed, she lunged towards me. The sergeant jumped in front of me before she could reach. He told her to take her ass home or she was going to jail. She continued down the street. He told me to take down his personal number and call him directly if I ever have any problems. I told him that I wouldn't have any problems. He said just to be sure take the information anyway. I typed his first name and phone number into my phone. He told me to write his last name as well. I saved it and reached into my pocket for the 500 pesos that I tried to sneak him earlier. I gave it to him and told him that I appreciated everything and to take his crew out later for a couple of beers. I called Wrx up and told him what had happened, then I went to have Father's Day lunch in Maimon and afternoon sex with my girl in Puerto Plata.
I warned the girl a couple of times telling her that she didn't know who I knew and that the situation would not turn out the way she was expecting. Did I lie? Anyway, that is the last time that I deal with Tomjackin's sloppy seconds.
Ipanema Carioca
06-21-14, 21:44
....Upon seeing the picture that I had handed him on my cell phone the sergeant let out a short "Mmm" before handing my phone back to me. Checkmate biatch!In Sosua or any mongering destination, it's not what you know, who you know but "who knows you. " Or you will be giving money away to every hoe who screams for the police. Crazy hoes are usually in the police crazy hoe files. Sometimes they've called the police on the police. They know who the mafia hoes are.
Tempoecorto
06-21-14, 23:25
I notice that a number of people from the US are overtly speaking of their law enforcement jobs and of their deals in the "puta town" of Sosua plus how they make deals at their home end to keep the Sosua law enforcement happy / in their pocket. I do not know if these people are already retired (or on disability in their 40's as is often the case) but by definition US nationals (least of all the lawmen whose jobs are to uphold the law ostensibly) are not supposed to travel looking for puntang across the globe or at least it is not legal. So how come all these open bragging about. Specially in approbation of one who pinned a female down to have his so-called contract enforced?
Hey Mr. Enternational,
This time things worked to your advantage for little amount of money. You got a sympathetic police on your side. Next time you may get a different police who will side with the girl or worse haul your ass off to Jail for a judge to sort it out next day. My advice is not to test your luck in a foreign land. And that too for a mere $20-$30.
If they would have taken you to Jail it would have cost you 10 times if not more to get a lawyer to free you.
You live on the edge man!
Member #4351
06-21-14, 23:37
M. E. Appears to have a "get out of jail free" card:
Upon seeing the picture that I had handed him on my cell phone the sergeant let out a short "Mmm" before handing my phone back to me. Checkmate biatch!.
Ipanema Carioca
06-22-14, 00:23
I notice that a number of people from the US are overtly speaking of their law enforcement jobs and of their deals in the "puta town" of Sosua plus how they make deals at their home end to keep the Sosua law enforcement happy / in their pocket. I do not know if these people are already retired (or on disability in their 40's as is often the case) but by definition US nationals (least of all the lawmen whose jobs are to uphold the law ostensibly) are not supposed to travel looking for puntang across the globe or at least it is not legal. So how come all these open bragging about. Specially in approbation of one who pinned a female down to have his so-called contract enforced?Because we put our pants on one leg at a time like you dude. Don't hate! You seem to be the sneaky tattle tale who troll and hate on other dudes with your statement.
With all this going back and forth, in other words going nowhere, I decided that it was time to play the ace that I had been holding on to. I approached the sergeant, who was sitting on the staircase, and handed him my cell phone and said before we go anywhere I would like to phone a friend. At the same time, the guy who worked there told the sergeant that he thought I needed to get to the airport to catch a flight. I said no, I am not going to the airport. I am just going to Puerto Plata to visit a friend. Upon seeing the picture that I had handed him on my cell phone the sergeant let out a short "Mmm" before handing my phone back to me. Checkmate biatch!
I warned the girl a couple of times telling her that she didn't know who I knew and that the situation would not turn out the way she was expecting. Did I lie? Anyway, that is the last time that I deal with Tomjackin's sloppy seconds.Dude? You forgot to write the twist at the end of the story!! LOL Whose picture was on the phone?
While it may (if indeed this was not creative non-fiction) have worked (this time) for Mr. E, Newbies, take note, and do the exact opposite of everything done in this story. Train wreck in training (apparently, for a long and lucky time).
I notice that a number of people from the US are overtly speaking of their law enforcement jobs and of their deals in the "puta town" of Sosua plus how they make deals at their home end to keep the Sosua law enforcement happy / in their pocket. I do not know if these people are already retired (or on disability in their 40's as is often the case) but by definition US nationals (least of all the lawmen whose jobs are to uphold the law ostensibly) are not supposed to travel looking for puntang across the globe or at least it is not legal. So how come all these open bragging about. Specially in approbation of one who pinned a female down to have his so-called contract enforced?I was always curious how the police in the DR treat mongers who are Police Officers from their own countries. Is there a mutual respect or are you treated as just another monger? I would imagine that they would be extra nice to Cops, especially if they are from NY or Florida because there is a chance that they have family members there.
While it may (if indeed this was not creative non-fiction) have worked (this time) for Mr. E, Newbies, take note, and do the exact opposite of everything done in this story. Train wreck in training (apparently, for a long and lucky time).I agree. Getting out of the situation by paying off a crooked cop and flashing a picture of some high-up is hardly the end result that mongers should be looking for. The end result was lose-lose and the only winner was the cop.
Here is how the negotiation might have gone:
Base price was 1800 pesos without any detailed negotiation of extras.
Positives:
1. Client reports he received one of the best fucks of his life. That is worth 500 pesos bonus straight off.
2. Chica wanted to do covered blow job, but conceded uncovered blow job. (I believe this is something that government health educators are encouraging the chicas to request, but to what extent it reduces risk of transmissible conditions I don't know.). Let's say that is worth another 250 pesos.
3. We do not know if the sex was covered or uncovered, but let's assume it was covered. If it was uncovered another bonus probably comes into play, however in this case it does not seem to have been an issue.
Negatives:
1. Client was disappointed that the chica did not want to go another round at 10:00 am In the morning for whatever reason leaving him with a boner. So let's take away the 500 pesos bonus for that, which leaves us at 2050 pesos. But let's also note that he can put the 500 pesos towards the cost of another chica to relieve his boner, so all is not lost.
2. The all-nighter did not start until 3:00 am So both participants would have been tired. However the chica did stay a full seven hours, so that is a reasonable amount of time and cannot be considered cutting the date short or leaving early. Financial value neutral.
Negotiations:
In view of no second pop in the morning the client wants to renegotiate the whole deal. He offers 1500 pesos, the chica makes a counter offer of 2500 pesos. The obvious thing to do here is to split the difference and meet at 2000 pesos. We will add on an additional 50 pesos motoconcho money as an additional goodwill gesture, taking it up to 2050, which looks like a fair price anyway considering the client did get one of his best sexual experiences out of this, which is the Holy Grail of mongering.
Hug, kiss on cheek, out the door, job done. No cops called or bribed. Relations with chica remain amicable.
Grandnash84
06-22-14, 01:51
That girl is still working the strip! Man what was that about? Who is she? Stay away from that fool.This girl is not working the strip. After she got out of jail she has not come back or so I heard from at lease 3 different domincan touts. and the video is like 2 years old, flow is not even there anymore
Ipanema Carioca
06-22-14, 02:23
I was always curious how the police in the DR treat mongers who are Police Officers from their own countries. Is there a mutual respect or are you treated as just another monger? I would imagine that they would be extra nice to Cops, especially if they are from NY or Florida because there is a chance that they have family members there.We get a special list of girls to bang that the police bang in Luperóand, Sosua, Cabarete and Charamicos. Only Dominicanas and not Haitian. In Puerto Plata and Santiago we can get a list of beeper girls (students and club hoes of the POP and STI). The beeper girls are more expensive. The cops in DR make no money, but don't ask us for any. I know one retired PN lieutenant who drives a tax after 26 years because his pension is small. But he gives us great prices from Sousa to POP or to STI.
Mr Enternational
06-22-14, 02:26
Base price was 1800 pesos without any detailed negotiation of extras.
Positives:
1. Client reports he received one of the best fucks of his life. That is worth 500 pesos bonus straight off.
2. Chica wanted to do covered blow job, but conceded uncovered blow job. (I believe this is something that government health educators are encouraging the chicas to request, but to what extent it reduces risk of transmissible conditions I don't know.). Let's say that is worth another 250 pesos.
3. We do not know if the sex was covered or uncovered, but let's assume it was covered. If it was uncovered another bonus probably comes into play, however in this case it does not seem to have been an issue.
Negatives:
1. Client was disappointed that the chica did not want to go another round at 10:00 am In the morning for whatever reason leaving him with a boner. So let's take away the 500 pesos bonus for that, which leaves us at 2050 pesos. But let's also note that he can put the 500 pesos towards the cost of another chica to relieve his boner, so all is not lost.
2. The all-nighter did not start until 3:00 am So both participants would have been tired. However the chica did stay a full seven hours, so that is a reasonable amount of time and cannot be considered cutting the date short or leaving early. Financial value neutral.
Negotiations:
In view of no second pop in the morning the client wants to renegotiate the whole deal. He offers 1500 pesos, the chica makes a counter offer of 2500 pesos. The obvious thing to do here is to split the difference and meet at 2000 pesos. We will add on an additional 50 pesos motoconcho money as an additional goodwill gesture, taking it up to 2050, which looks like a fair price anyway considering the client did get one of his best sexual experiences out of this, which is the Holy Grail of mongering.
Hug, kiss on cheek, out the door, job done. No cops called or bribed. Relations with chica remain amicable.Where are all of these figures coming from besides out of your ass? If if was a fifth we would all be drunk. Things that you are naming as extras are what many mongers such as myself consider basic. (Now when a broad starts cleaning up and cooking that for me is extras.) That is the exact thing that is fucked about Tijuana. How bad did it have to get for girls to start charging extra to take off their damn clothes? Really, even taking off clothes costs extra and must be negotiated. But thanks to a la carte mongers...
And it appears that your only solution involves throwing more money at the girl. Just because you see 2050 as a fair price does not mean the girl would have seen it as a fair price. (It's easy to be a Monday morning coach.) The same as I saw 1500 as a fair price, but she didn't. (She did prove herself to be a liar and a cheat in case you missed it in my story AND Tomjackin's story.)
It seems that every time you analyze something it is the monger who is in the wrong, and to keep from being wrong he should give more money to the chica. What about if she would have just finished the job in the first place and walked out with the original 1800 that she was supposed to get? Are you seeing that as a solution at all? THEN we could have said hug, kiss on cheek, out the door, job done as has been done with many chicas before her and shall be done with many after.
Mr Enternational
06-22-14, 02:38
i have read so many stories about how corrupt the police are and guys paying out large sums of money, but i'm just not seeing it going down that way for someone who has committed no crime at all. all of the stories that i have read is always the friend of a friend. is there anyone on this thread that has had first-hand experience of being extorted by police, lawyers and judges for exorbitant amounts of money? i'm thinking those guys must have really done some serious shit for things to get that far. it definitely was not because they had a dispute with an average street hooker over money. in the couple of experiences (one with me and gogo, the other one when i was on the way to meet up with gogo; hell that dude must be bad luck for me!) i have had where the cops have hinted that they wanted money for nothing, i simply blew them off and that was that. then in the situation last week when i tried to give the cop money it was totally ignored.
i have read where other guys must have been intimidated and immediately handed them money, as was the case with the brother who said he was going through immigration and gave the agent money when asked because he didn't want any problems. again, i am glad that i don't scare as easily as most of you guys. even when my brother went to jail in sosua because some girls said he had drugs, nobody asked him for any bribes (even though he said his wallet came up short when he was released). and when the cops realized the girls were lying on my brother they released him and locked the girls up. so yes, justice does get served and it is not everything stacked against the foreigner.
oh, i guess you are wondering what was on the picture that i showed the sergeant? it's what i like to call my get out of jail free card; just a picture of me with one of the highest level political figures in the dominican republic. and yes a couple of members on this board have actually seen the photo. to give you a hint it was with one of the people in this photo. http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dominican-president-danilo-medina-delivers-a-speech-as-vice-news-photo/475305469.
I have read so many stories about how corrupt the police are and guys paying out large sums of money, but I'm just not seeing it going down that way for someone who has committed no crime at all. All of the stories that I have read is always the friend of a friend. Is there anyone on this thread that has had first-hand experience of being extorted by police, lawyers and judges for exorbitant amounts of money? I'm thinking those guys must have really done some serious shit for things to get that far. It definitely was not because they had a dispute with an average street hooker over money. In the couple of experiences (one with me and Gogo, the other one when I was on the way to meet up with Gogo; hell that dude must be bad luck for me!) I have had where the cops have hinted that they wanted money for nothing, I simply blew them off and that was that. Then in the situation last week when I tried to give the cop money it was totally ignored.
I have read where other guys must have been intimidated and immediately handed them money, as was the case with the brother who said he was going through immigration and gave the agent money when asked because he didn't want any problems...Lmao, man that was some funny shit. I usually fly into SDQ and rent a car to drive to Sosua using the toll road through Nagua, Gaspar Hernandez, and Cabarette to Sosua. Well my previous three times I've made this drive this one cop and his boys always had a road block to catch me coming and going back to SDQ. I just play dumb gringo and smile and the cop gets frustrated and waves me through with a laugh from me.
When I was with Mr E the guy stopped us heading to Sosua. He saw it was me and we both laughed as he thinks I don't speak spanish. The guy bends down as I'm laughing and looks at Mr E and Mr E started speaking spanish, big mistake. The guy asks Mr E for his identification and I'm in the drivers seat cracking up, waiting to see how this is going to play out. Mr E mumbles "This is some bullshit" and me and the guy laugh. Mr E reached into the ashtray and grabbed a 50 p note to give the guy (surprise). Mr E was pissed the rest of the trip and I couldn't stop laughing.
Damn. I have a pic of myself and a high level American political figure, and a famous english soccer player, and a dominican baseball player in MLB. Anytime I'm in a jam, I'll just show them that pic and keep my fingers crossed. I'm sure it will work every single time. .
If the police bother you, just say, "Sabes quien soy?" It works every time, whether in Sosua, Colombia, et al.
where are all of these figures coming from besides out of your ass? if if was a fifth we would all be drunk. things that you are naming as extras are what many mongers such as myself consider basic. that is the exact thing that is fucked about tijuana. how bad did it have to get for girls to start charging extra to take off their damn clothes? really, even taking off clothes costs extra and must be negotiated. but thanks to a la carte mongers...
well where did the figure of 500 pesos propina for the cop come from, out of your ass or did you research it on the internet, or get it from a standard book on tipping cops? how do you know he shared it with his assistants and in what proportions, if he did indeed share it? how many drinks could he buy for that price?
women who sell sex in different countries are entitled to structure their payment system anyway they want and men can decide whether they they want to pay to play or not. the whole concept is hardly alien to those of us who live in the us. these days the airlines want you to pay extra for a carry-on bag or a window seat or a drink or a meal. these are things that used to be included in the price of a ticket. it looks like we will soon be arriving at the point where you have to pay to go through customs and immigration or face long delays.
you want to just decide what is or isn't included in the price of your ticket without discussing it with your counterparty.
a sexual encounter with a prostitute may include or not include a number of components such as:
oral sex with or without condom and with or without cim.
vaginal sex with or without condom.
anal sex with or without condom.
other activities such as hand jobs, having your nipples sucked, having your ass licked, massage, open mouth kissing, being urinated on, and probably a few other things i have not thought of.
multiple pops.
superior performance and enthusiasm above and beyond the call of duty.
you get into dangerous territory when you just assume that what you want is a standard, well-understood procedure that is included in the base price, because you can never be certain and different girls may want to set different limits, and different men have different expectations and these things change over time.
in general it is better to suggest a price that is a bit less than what you intend to pay, because that leaves some scope for a tip to reward superior service, and can be withheld if not earned without too much controversy.
i don't think i am pro-monger or pro-hoe. i just see two young people struggling for survival or to satisfy dimly understood sexual urges in an unregulated marketplace and having difficulty communicating their needs and wants effectively so that they can get to a win-win end result.
in the matter you have written about, i don't pretend to know why she did not want to have sex again in the morning, because there are so many potential reasons, like maybe she was sore from the night before, her period was coming on, or whatever, but presumably there was some reason why she did not want to have sex again for an extra 300 pesos. refusing to have sex again, refusing to accept the 1500 pesos, and being willing to spend time waiting for the police, taking her chances of getting arrested, and so on does not seem like a very rational or cost effective response if it was all over 300 pesos, but probably there is some underlying explanation that we do not have or perhaps some unexpressed reason she was angry with you.
of course the bigger question is why you (or any of us) want to pay women for sex at all, but that is one for another day. however i am pretty sure that if confrontations occur when the parties cannot agree among themselves amicably without involving the police, this cannot be good news for mongering in the long run or for men who want to experience a fairly natural sexual experience with very attractive young women for a very reasonable cost.
Damn. I have a pic of myself and a high level American political figure, and a famous english soccer player, and a dominican baseball player in MLB. Anytime I'm in a jam, I'll just show them that pic and keep my fingers crossed. I'm sure it will work every single time. .With Photoshop and similar programs anyone can make one to put on their phone. A photograph of Hillary Clinton should scare the shit out of any cop.
Has anyone on this board had or known anyone who had a problem with an angry chulo? I haven't been going to the DR for that long, but I can't say I know of a single incident of a chulo confronting a gringo and demanding more money. Never mind actually trying to get physical! In fact, I have never even seen a fight between an American and a Dominican in Sousua or SD. I've seen arguments, but actual fist fights? Nope!They usually don't fight. Several injuries from broken bottles have been reported. But the risk remains. I saw fights in the past. They are indeed rare.
ConquerorVal
06-22-14, 05:03
I think this must be the nastiest, darkest thread in the whole ISG forum. There is so much negativity about the working girls in here, and the language used to dehumanize them, is something else. Why don't you just stay away and visit other places if you think so badly of the chicas in Sosua? Skanks, hoes, bitches and even street rats-what is the matter with you people? There is a lot of machismo and misdirected pride going on in here. Every monger is better off than these girls, who may be con-artists, even dangerous at times, but for fuck sake bring on some sunshine in here.
I think this must be the nastiest, darkest thread in the whole forum. There is so much negativity about the working girls in here, and the language used to dehumanize them, is something else. Why don't you just stay away and visit other places if you think so badly of the chicas in Sosua? Skanks, hoes, bitches and even street rats-what is the matter with you people? There is a lot of machismo and misdirected pride going on in here. Every monger is better off than these girls, who may be con-artists, even dangerous at times, but for fuck sake bring on some sunshine in here.Do you know who I am? Let me show you a picture, and if you don't recognize me immediately. Then we're going to have a fucking problem.
Do you know who I am? Let me show you a picture, and if you don't recognize me immediately. Then we're going to have a fucking problem.P.S. I know it might be your country, but I am the king of you and all working girls. You get what I pay you, and if you don't want it. Then I'm going to beat the living shit out of you.
End sarcasm.
I think this must be the nastiest, darkest thread in the whole ISG forum. There is so much negativity about the working girls in here, and the language used to dehumanize them, is something else. Why don't you just stay away and visit other places if you think so badly of the chicas in Sosua? Skanks, hoes, bitches and even street rats-what is the matter with you people? .Don't put the pussy on a pedestal!
Bizzy Muhn
06-22-14, 10:36
Don't put the pussy on a pedestal!Shh you might scare him away with your honest brutal assessment.
ConquerorVal
06-22-14, 12:59
Don't put the pussy on a pedestal!With all due respect Bravo, your favourite quote has nothing to do with what I said. I am not implying that the girls have to be put on a pedestal. I am not a fool, and I can mostly see through their actions. What I am saying, is that yes one has to be careful dealing with them, but there is no reason to talk about them like the are human garbage. I am grateful that they offer a much needed service. Maybe you should visit some of the other threads, and see that this kind of trash talking is much less common, and the messages still get across. Perhaps the Sosua thread should be divided into two. One where the members like to live out their rap video fantasies, and another where regular folks talk about other people like they are fellow human beings and do not need derogatory language to fuel their superiority complex and insecurities. Being civil is not a sign of weakness.
With all due respect Bravo, your favourite quote has nothing to do with what I said. I am not implying that the girls have to be put on a pedestal. I am not a fool, and I can mostly see through their actions. What I am saying, is that yes one has to be careful dealing with them, but there is no reason to talk about them like the are human garbage. I am grateful that they offer a much needed service. Maybe you should visit some of the other threads, and see that this kind of trash talking is much less common, and the messages still get across. Perhaps the Sosua thread should be divided into two. One where the members like to live out their rap video fantasies, and another where regular folks talk about other people like they are fellow human beings and do not need derogatory language to fuel their superiority complex and insecurities. Being civil is not a sign of weakness.I can agree with this. There really is no reason to be talk about them like they are garbage. Some of us talk about the ones that are garbage and have a more negative tone, but that could be due to the negative experience with the girl and letting out some steam. While it sounds bad, that type of intel can also give readers more insight and help them make better informed decisions should they run into the same situation, or even the same girl. And Sosua isn't a big town, I've run into a couple girls that are bad news from this forum and when I recognized them I simply recalled what was mentioned on here and chose not to have a session with them. And I think that we should also remember that even though this forum is a sex guide with visitors reports, pics, experiences. It also is about the location itself. Sosua is not like Medellin, or Bangkok, or Pattaya, etc. Those cities are massive (yes I know Pattaya isn't massive but is larger than Sosua) but I notice that discussions in those forums can be a little more versatile rather than just straight down to the girls. In any case, I do agree that sometimes it seems as if things are rather negative and we don't want a few negative comments to reflect on the thread as a whole. Heck I'm sure even I am guilty of some negativity. The treatment of the girls is always important, and I've said this before. We're visitors to the DR (most of us I'm assuming), we should show some respect and not talk as if we are superior to them and can treat them in any way we want. I think with that kind of behavior, nothing good comes out of it.
Tempoecorto
06-22-14, 15:46
I would imagine that they would be extra nice to Cops, especially if they are from NY or Florida because there is a chance that they have family members there.It is just another mafia with badges! The way I see it, a majority of the US visitors from NY / FL etc have some kind of Govt jobs and or are on a Government handout (also known as disability or early retirement). These law enforcement people brazenly break the US law in another country as is clear now. These are also the same who would write to bitterly ***** about how the DR chicas are always conspiring to get 10 dollars more by beg borrow or steal or that such sneaky BS do not keep their contract. I would rather root for the younger weekend visitors from NY who have their underpants falling down. At least those raining money are not funded by the taxpayers.
Tempoecorto
06-22-14, 16:10
While it may (if indeed this was not creative non-fiction) have worked (this time) for Mr. E, Newbies, take note, and do the exact opposite of everything done in this story.This is the right conclusion unless of course the newbie too is a (ex) Lawman from some armpit.
I am delighted to see that there are a number of people here who enjoy the DR experience, stay away from the whiners and the attention seekers and treat the people from a foreign land with respect without "you know who I am? The theory of karma is simple and I for one, have never had to bribe no one, so far. Note the double negatives!
Chris Bigdog
06-23-14, 04:00
Page after page of this about the $10 he should or shouldn't have given the girl? Enough already.
How about the quality of the talent lately, which bars are open or closed, how things are at Classico's, etc.
Anymore about this stupid situation and I'm going to slit my wrists.
I remember being in the Sportsmans Lounge in San Jose years ago and the guy and his loud partying posse in the next room threw a girl out of their room without paying. She threw a fit, he yelled and the screaming went on and on. I poked my head out, told the guys to please keep it the fuck down and try to be a little more respectful and got back in bed with my gorgeous girl. I had had some reservations about picking her up; gorgeous, no doubt, but seemed a bit cold at the onset. But, we had just finished a nice round and I was happy. After showing some compassion toward the girl who was thrown out, my girl obviously impressed turned the heat way up and proceeded to suck and fuck me raw as if I was the most handsome man on earth. Coincidence? I think not.
You catch more bees with honey than vinegar fellas. We are all extraordinarily fortunate compared to these girls and showing them a little humanity and sensitivity goes a helluva long way.
I have zero respect for the macho insecure idiots who go to Sosua to try and sport fuck as many hoes or bitches as possible, preferrably totally wasted, whine about the girls who try to get as much money out of them after being treated like a piece of meat, to your buddies or anyone else who might pretend to give a fuck, go back to their misplaced mysoginstic ways, rinse and repeat.
That sort of behavior makes me dread being around some Americans on vacation. Low class, entitled, gansta want to-be's, yeah mo fo, go USA, we #1. We might have the world's biggest economy and be the only remaining super power, but it has nothing to do with these morons.
Onoxious and stupid is no way to go through life.
Don't put the pussy on a pedestal. Please.
With all due respect Bravo, your favourite quote has nothing to do with what I said. I am not implying that the girls have to be put on a pedestal. I am not a fool, and I can mostly see through their actions. What I am saying, is that yes one has to be careful dealing with them, but there is no reason to talk about them like the are human garbage. I am grateful that they offer a much needed service. Maybe you should visit some of the other threads, and see that this kind of trash talking is much less common, and the messages still get across. Perhaps the Sosua thread should be divided into two. One where the members like to live out their rap video fantasies, and another where regular folks talk about other people like they are fellow human beings and do not need derogatory language to fuel their superiority complex and insecurities. Being civil is not a sign of weakness.It's a laugh to see folks paying thousands of dollars and flying thousands of miles to meet and consort with these putas, and then putting them down.
When you're down there with her, in spite of your ego and fantasies, she's a hooker, and your a "john", a "mark", a "trick". Get it?
No better, no worse. She won't respect you any more than you respect her.
Admit it, like I do, and you can have fun.
And as for Mr E's experience. That works for him, and so be it.
But, newbies be cautious.
I don't think his methods would work as well for a one week newbie, who has no experience or political connections.
In fact, Mr. E is not even advocating that.
Onoxious and stupid is no way to go through lifeAnd there's no greater fool than a outraged john! LOL.
As previously reported I connected with a DC lady from Santiago. 38 but looks younger, medium build with a tight body. I got her to agree to come to Sosua on Caribe tours last week Saturday. Stayed for 2 days. Picked her up in Charimicos and were on my way to my place. I'm checking the vibe to see if things are going to be different in person than us texting on whatsapp. Thats because we barely used any other method of communication for the last couple of weeks.
I get her to spot, offer her something to drink. We just relax on the couch, and get acquainted. Now it's a challenge for me, since my conversational spanish is limited. Fortunately, I continue to pick up a lot, and can understand much in conversation, especially if I ask someone to speak a little slower for certain things. It wasnt long before we both were quite comfortable with each other.
She liked kissing a lot, and being affectionate. All of that lead to us taking it to the bedroom. It was only about 1 in the afternoon. In bed she was putting it down like she hadn't got done in awhile. Didn't matter to me, as long as the juice was good in the moment. Her overall presence was a welcome change from the hustle and bustle of Sosua chicas.
And also because she was a mature woman. The whole time she was in my apartment, she was looking to straighten up, organize or clean something. Most chicas that I hire for ST or TLN or are just hanging around, if they eat or drink anything, they put the dishes and glasses in the sink and just leave it there. Even times when I made breakfast, most will just leave the dirty dishes in the sink. Then I would have to ask them, to clean the dishes.
This lady was representing her company well. Keeping things clean and tidy was not an issue with her. We stayed in the whole day and night. And of course more bedroom work that night, and again in the morning. Mature women can put in just as much work and passion (in the bedroom) as many of these young whippersnappers.
The next day Sunday, she asked me if we could visit her friends. One in Saboneta, and the other in Gaspar Hernandez. So we spent the day doing that. Got back at night, showered and hit the bed. Now, this woman is super affectionate. She told her GF's that I was her novio. I thought that was cute, although premature.
Monday morning put her on the Caribe Tours bus.
Friday, I went to Santiago to visit her. Took the mountain road towards Moca. I just didn't like the idea of going all the way to Pto Plata that way. Later I found out, going towards Pto Plata is actually closer, because once you get on route 1 towards Santiago, there is a turnoff that makes it easy to get to her house. Anyone reading, do they know anything about that road to Santiago that is just past Montellano off of route 5? Is that road worth taking? Are there too many potholes or unpaved road?
Anyway, as I was making it to Santiago, my mindset was to get her to take a cab and meet me at Kukura macara restaurant near the monument. The food and atmosphere is good but pricey. They add those stupid taxes I hate. But as I got close, to let her know where I was at, she said "no amor, yo cocinar para ti en mi casa". Of course I like the idea of having a cooked meal, but at the same time, I never ate her food before, and was a little concerned about what she cooked. I had shared with her before the type of food I eat and don't eat. Apparently she took all of that into consideration, because she had fixed a very nice spread for all of us. That included her 2 children.
Her children were both very nice, young teens. Later, her and I went to Alberto Suites near the monument so I could get a condo for 2 nights. Each night she stayed with me, both of us fucking like rabbits. Her more and more affectionate since the day we met. This woman just loves kissing, and fondling. No problem with morning sex with her. In fact, to her that is what couples are supposed to do. No argument from me. Took her to La Sirena the next day and bought groceries so she could cook again.
Went to the Colinas Mall later where the Jumbo store is. Bought some phone accessories and stopped in the food court for a presidente with her and her young cousin. After that back to Alberto Suites to spend our last night. Ate breakfast there, and headed back to her house. About 1 I hit the road to head back to Sosua. So far, the woman never asked for any money. I bought groceries, her accessories for a old samsung phone I gave her. Plus some pesos for the days she took off from her weekend job to spend time with me, which would also cover her transpo to come back to Sosua maybe Wed. Very nice lady. When I got back, even though it was great being free again. I wasnt that anxious to point and click with some unknown juice. If anything were to jump off, I would have went for one of my regulars rather than explore the unknown. But I was content with being solo last night. What I did do, was hook up with some guys at Rockys (The Office) who were on their maiden voyage to Sosua.
So I took them around Sosua to show them as much as I could as well as offer them monger survival tips.
Camaro1257
06-23-14, 14:45
As previously reported I connected with a DC lady from Santiago. 38 but looks younger, medium build with a tight body.
She liked kissing a lot, and being affectionate. All of that lead to us taking it to the bedroom. It was only about 1 in the afternoon. In bed she was putting it down like she hadn't got done in awhile. Didn't matter to me, as long as the juice was good in the moment. Her overall presence was a welcome change from the hustle and bustle of Sosua chicas. Very good report sir. Thanks!
Page after page of this about the $10 he should or shouldn't have given the girl? Enough already.
Anymore about this stupid situation and I'm going to slit my wrists.
Onoxious and stupid is no way to go through life.A noble request but after all, your hangin out in the sewer, ooops, Sosua. Isn't it par for the course.
Very good report sir. Thanks!Thanks Camaro. And so was your excursion last week.
A chica reached out to me a while back. Think we exchanged numbers over a year ago when I met her in Sosua. Been communicating on whatsapp for about 2 months. Never worked out a plan for us to get together. She lives far from Sosua in Azua. So I kinda wrote her off because of the distance. I figured her living that far, she would want to hit me up to send her money. Something I'm not interested in doing unless we were already very well acquainted. My mindset is, if you want to come, invest your own money. I'll take care of everything while you are here. So back in April / May we never got together but maintained whatsapp contact.
Now, 2 days ago I get a whatsapp message. Translated it says: I need a favor. If you can, send me money for the university. I have to pay and have no money. I ignored that request.
This morning, I got another text from her. I need a favor heart. I have to go to the consulate, I am investigating a visa. And must pay something. I am missing $200 dollars can you send me please? Again I ignored that request.
The extent of most of our whatsapp contact has been. Hola, como esta, bien, why tu. Thats really most of it. Only slight deviations.
Ridiculously transparent and comical. Now that she is out in the open, I won't be entertaining her coming to visit. If this is how it is now, and I haven't spent time with her, it could only get worse if I allow her to come.
Then there's my restaurant on the playa chica who had told me she wasnt working, then supposedly spent 2 or 3 days in a clinic, and when I see her, she is working on the beach at the same place, it's just that the business owner changed hands. She can't help it, lying comes natural to her. Now just last night, now she is sending me a text: Hola yo no tengo trabajo. Estoy triste sin dinero. In other words, I have no job. I am sad without money.
I ignored that request. The last time we hooked up, when the session was over she started her whining about her child and something about Pto plata. I caught her lying so many times, I just let that crap go in one ear and out the other. She was just trying to see if she could get more money out of me. I gave her what I usually give her, and dropped her off.
As previously reported I connected with a DC lady from Santiago. 38 but looks younger, medium build with a tight body. I got her to agree to come to Sosua on Caribe tours last week Saturday. Stayed for 2 days. Picked her up in Charimicos and were on my way to my place. I'm checking the vibe to see if things are going to be different in person than us texting on whatsapp. Thats because we barely used any other method of communication for the last couple of weeks.
I get her to spot, offer her something to drink. We just relax on the couch, and get acquainted. Now it's a challenge for me, since my conversational spanish is limited. Fortunately, I continue to pick up a lot, and can understand much in conversation, especially if I ask someone to speak a little slower for certain things. It wasnt long before we both were quite comfortable with each other.
She liked kissing a lot, and being affectionate. All of that lead to us taking it to the bedroom. It was only about 1 in the afternoon. In bed she was putting it down like she hadn't got done in awhile. Didn't matter to me, as long as the juice was good in the moment. Her overall presence was a welcome change from the hustle and bustle of Sosua chicas.
And also because she was a mature woman. The whole time she was in my apartment, she was looking to straighten up, organize or clean something. Most chicas that I hire for ST or TLN or are just hanging around, if they eat or drink anything, they put the dishes and glasses in the sink and just leave it there. Even times when I made breakfast, most will just leave the dirty dishes in the sink. Then I would have to ask them, to clean the dishes.
This lady was representing her company well. Keeping things clean and tidy was not an issue with her. We stayed in the whole day and night. And of course more bedroom work that night, and again in the morning. Mature women can put in just as much work and passion (in the bedroom) as many of these young whippersnappers.
The next day Sunday, she asked me if we could visit her friends. One in Saboneta, and the other in Gaspar Hernandez. So we spent the day doing that. Got back at night, showered and hit the bed. Now, this woman is super affectionate. She told her GF's that I was her novio. I thought that was cute, although premature.
Monday morning put her on the Caribe Tours bus.
Friday, I went to Santiago to visit her. Took the mountain road towards Moca. I just didn't like the idea of going all the way to Pto Plata that way. Later I found out, going towards Pto Plata is actually closer, because once you get on route 1 towards Santiago, there is a turnoff that makes it easy to get to her house. Anyone reading, do they know anything about that road to Santiago that is just past Montellano off of route 5? Is that road worth taking? Are there too many potholes or unpaved road?
Anyway, as I was making it to Santiago, my mindset was to get her to take a cab and meet me at Kukura macara restaurant near the monument. The food and atmosphere is good but pricey. They add those stupid taxes I hate. But as I got close, to let her know where I was at, she said "no amor, yo cocinar para ti en mi casa". Of course I like the idea of having a cooked meal, but at the same time, I never ate her food before, and was a little concerned about what she cooked. I had shared with her before the type of food I eat and don't eat. Apparently she took all of that into consideration, because she had fixed a very nice spread for all of us. That included her 2 children.
Her children were both very nice, young teens. Later, her and I went to Alberto Suites near the monument so I could get a condo for 2 nights. Each night she stayed with me, both of us fucking like rabbits. Her more and more affectionate since the day we met. This woman just loves kissing, and fondling. No problem with morning sex with her. In fact, to her that is what couples are supposed to do. No argument from me. Took her to La Sirena the next day and bought groceries so she could cook again.
Went to the Colinas Mall later where the Jumbo store is. Bought some phone accessories and stopped in the food court for a presidente with her and her young cousin. After that back to Alberto Suites to spend our last night. Ate breakfast there, and headed back to her house. About 1 I hit the road to head back to Sosua. So far, the woman never asked for any money. I bought groceries, her accessories for a old samsung phone I gave her. Plus some pesos for the days she took off from her weekend job to spend time with me, which would also cover her transpo to come back to Sosua maybe Wed. Very nice lady. When I got back, even though it was great being free again. I wasnt that anxious to point and click with some unknown juice. If anything were to jump off, I would have went for one of my regulars rather than explore the unknown. But I was content with being solo last night. What I did do, was hook up with some guys at Rockys (The Office) who were on their maiden voyage to Sosua.
So I took them around Sosua to show them as much as I could as well as offer them monger survival tips.Finally you are starting to get a sense of the real joys of the DR. Spending time with a chica who you like and her family gives so much more sense of being part of the community than hanging out with pot-bellied drunks in Sosua. Unfortunately, although she is not asking for money right now, she will be looking for some kind of quid pro quo down the road and you will have hard decisions to make.
Probably you are enjoying this because your Spanish is improving enough to be able to communicate more. (However, "me falta cien dolares" is better translated as "I need 100 dollars".).
I have not taken the road across from near Montellano, but the consensus is that the road is OK, but not a good idea to take it at night. Moca is located in the Cibao valley and the problem getting from Santiago or Moca to Puerto Plata or Sosua is that you have go through one of the passes over the range of mountains that defines the north side of the Cibao valley. In times of heavy rain, these roads may get washed out on sharp hairpin bends with scary drops below. The route via Navarete is longer, but the road is less extreme and the new Santiago beltway (toll road) may make it easier to get to the Moca area.
And there's no greater fool than a outraged john! LOL.And so say all of us!
Finally you are starting to get a sense of the real joys of the DR. Spending time with a chica who you like and her family gives so much more sense of being part of the community than hanging out with pot-bellied drunks in Sosua. Unfortunately, although she is not asking for money right now, she will be looking for some kind of quid pro quo down the road and you will have hard decisions to make..Hopefully his hardest decision, like me, will be how to get her into a threesome, LOL.
But, good luck WRx, you have a good benchmark to judge the value of the short timers.
Finally you are starting to get a sense of the real joys of the DR. Spending time with a chica who you like and her family gives so much more sense of being part of the community than hanging out with pot-bellied drunks in Sosua. Unfortunately, although she is not asking for money right now, she will be looking for some kind of quid pro quo down the road and you will have hard decisions to make.
Probably you are enjoying this because your Spanish is improving enough to be able to communicate more. (However, "me falta cien dolares" is better translated as "I need 100 dollars".).Correction. You are little misguided. Especially since the only thing you might know about my joyful experiences in the DR is what I decide to report here. Which is very limited reporting. More accurately, your limited reference of this forum, allowed you to finally read one report from me about a particular DC woman, and from that you drew one of your typical uninformed, unenlightened conclusions about the timing of my sense of Joy in the DR.
And then further you compound the ignorance by trying to school somebody on the woman's potential pursuits down the road. Like I need for you to tell me what I might expect. I know, I know. It's not about me. You are just jaw jabbing to help others because they read this forum too. How many times do I have to inform you, that if you don't want to look like an ass, just ask people for feedback instead of wasting condescending keystrokes? Or direct your comments appropriately to the audience that needs it. But I suppose that's expecting too much?
Now me? I can offer some enlightenment in your regard on the disillusionment of giving chicas propinas after sex, with the expectation or hope that that little bit of money is somehow going to give her the incentive to pull all stops to satisfy you over and above the original agreement the next time you get together. But I won't do that. But it does bring up something else that's interesting. For a guy to think his little bit of money has that kind of influence to get a certain type of service without discussing it with said chica, I would say that is someone who has a sense of entitlement? No chica should be expected to give you a service above and beyond what you are paying her for. Especially if you haven't discussed it with her or it hasnt been agreed upon.
I have not taken the road across from near Montellano, but the consensus is that the road is OK, but not a good idea to take it at night. Moca is located in the Cibao valley and the problem getting from Santiago or Moca to Puerto Plata or Sosua is that you have go through one of the passes over the range of mountains that defines the north side of the Cibao valley. In times of heavy rain, these roads may get washed out on sharp hairpin bends with scary drops below. The route via Navarete is longer, but the road is less extreme and the new Santiago beltway (toll road) may make it easier to get to the Moca area.I kinda gathered night driving was not a good idea. I wouldn't drive the Navarete route to Pto pla at night anymore either. Flooded roads would be a big problem if any of that occured on those routes. Hopefully somebody has driven it lately (the Santiago turnoff / route near the Montellano area) that can offer some feedback.
You make yourself seem like a helpful poster when you want to answer a post with a question. But can turn into an ass, when you try to offer a response to someones report with condescending, uninformed regurgitations.
And so say all of us!I love the tenderness of DR non pros but hate the ties that come with them. I have had the experience of spending time with a real family and friends. It is a great and lovely experience but I am not looking for a girlfriend or wife. I also choose not to mislead or lie to females. I have come to appreciate the semi pros who understand that sex and fun times are enough to satisfy us both. Some guys have no integrity or compassion for other people. It blows my mind that sport fuckers are expecting girls to be devoted to them for 2000 pesos or guys who find scams on every corner. Even when sport fucking a little personality goes a long way.
Riky Rapido
06-23-14, 18:51
I kinda gathered night driving was not a good idea. I wouldn't drive the Navarete route to Pto pla at night anymore either. Flooded roads would be a big problem if any of that occured on those routes. Hopefully somebody has driven it lately (the Santiago turnoff / route near the Montellano area) that can offer some feedback.
You make yourself seem like a helpful poster when you want to answer a post with a question. But can turn into an ass, when you try to offer a response to someones report with condescending, uninformed regurgitations.And I was on my motorcycle. This road is for SUV's and motorcycles. Much is unpaved or full of pot holes. But it is a spectacular ride and the scenery is awesome. While on my motorcycle I got stuck in the middle of a herd of cattle, must have been two hundred of these bovine ilk. Encountered a lot of rain, but this is the highlands. I would recommend this ride to anyone, with conditions.
And I was on my motorcycle. This road is for SUV's and motorcycles. Much is unpaved or full of pot holes. But it is a spectacular ride and the scenery is awesome. While on my motorcycle I got stuck in the middle of a herd of cattle, must have been two hundred of these bovine ilk. Encountered a lot of rain, but this is the highlands. I would recommend this ride to anyone, with conditions.SUV? Thats a useful tip. Because I am driving a small chevy right now with questionable tires on the rear. I already took a chance by driving to and from Santiago with my rental. I will try it as you suggested when I feel like exploring with no destination in mind, but probably with a decent SUV with good tires.
Camaro1257
06-23-14, 21:03
SUV? Thats a useful tip. Because I am driving a small chevy right now with questionable tires on the rear. I already took a chance by driving to and from Santiago with my rental. I will try it as you suggested when I feel like exploring with no destination in mind, but probably with a decent SUV with good tires.When I grow up I want to be like you guys. I have yet to develop the heart to drive in the Dominican Republic for now it's the, gua gua, Caribe Tours and Metro. LOL!
When I grow up I want to be like you guys. I have yet to develop the heart to drive in the Dominican Republic for now it's the, gua gua, Caribe Tours and Metro. LOL!It does take a daring spirit to drive in the DR. I've driven all over the country starting in 2008. Cities like Puerto Plata, Santiago and Santo Domingo, they are some of the worst places in the DR to drive. Along with trying to drive through unpaved streets in the campos and barrios.
Driving around in and around Sosua or the main highways is a welcome relief. I haven't been tested yet in terms of having an accident and seeing how a situation may get resolved. I feel like I'm getting close though, because I've had numerous near misses all caused by stupid ass drivers. Spoke to some local bomberos in Sosua, they said they had responded to about 4 serious accidents recently, I think all involving a fatality. Not all in Sosua, but in the whole region area they cover.
When I grow up I want to be like you guys. I have yet to develop the heart to drive in the Dominican Republic for now it's the, gua gua, Caribe Tours and Metro. LOL!I agree. I suggest leaving driving down there to the pros.
But there is another alternative I can recommend if you develop some connections.
I can get a Dominican to drive me most anywhere (in an old borrowed car) for little more than lunch, a few beers and the price of gas. No problem with having him wait for me to come back. He, like most Dominicans, seems to have friends and relatives everywhere to hang with.
If I was down there for an extended period of time though, I'd probably drive too.
Been bumping into quite a few guys lately who are visiting Sosua for the 1st time. Many of which ended up coming by themselves because their friends backed out for personal reasons, or they were acting flaky. Enough of them, after few days have no regrets coming alone. They have found it very easy to get around, and enjoy themselves.
What is interesting to watch is the many touts, venders, panhandlers and pests going to work on the new meat in town. And them watching me probably hoping I mind my own business. But I can't do that. I'm there offering some input in case I see something that is worth sharing with the newbies.
Been bumping into quite a few guys lately who are visiting Sosua for the 1st time.
What is interesting to watch is the many touts, venders, panhandlers and pests going to work on the new meat in town. And them watching me probably hoping I mind my own business. But I can't do that. I'm there offering some input in case I see something that is worth sharing with the newbies.I have to comment on this one as you failed to mention the Putas or where you referring to them as the pests. On my last trip when my buddy arrived an older thinner Puerto Rican Puta (hardcore / speaks English) grabbed on to my buddy in the afternoon who was in a daze after taking two flights / red eye from LA. I tried to warn him that I didn't think she was a good choice but couldn't because she spoke English. He went with her and after banging for about 15 minutes she started bitching that it was taking to long, etc. Which typically is a boner killer and didn't end up finishing. Seems like the daytime Putas start making the rounds about 2 hours after the flights come into Puerto Plata looking for the dazed and confused newbies wandering the Strip, adjacent streets, and hotels.
Been bumping into quite a few guys lately who are visiting Sosua for the 1st time. Many of which ended up coming by themselves because their friends backed out for personal reasons, or they were acting flaky. Enough of them, after few days have no regrets coming alone. They have found it very easy to get around, and enjoy themselves.
What is interesting to watch is the many touts, venders, panhandlers and pests going to work on the new meat in town. And them watching me probably hoping I mind my own business. But I can't do that. I'm there offering some input in case I see something that is worth sharing with the newbies.It's almost impossible to not befriend other mongers in Sosua.
Mr Enternational
06-24-14, 01:14
Moca is located in the Cibao valley and the problem getting from Santiago or Moca to Puerto Plata or Sosua is that you have go through one of the passes over the range of mountains that defines the north side of the Cibao valley. In times of heavy rain, these roads may get washed out on sharp hairpin bends with scary drops below. The route via Navarete is longer, but the road is less extreme and the new Santiago beltway (toll road) may make it easier to get to the Moca area.In addition the price has gone down on that new toll road. When I took it at the end of March it was 400 pesos. When I took it the week before last it had fallen to 100 pesos.
I finally took that mountain pass from Santiago to Sosua. It was in the late afternoon and I arrived in Sosua before dark. It was much faster than my usual Navarrete route, but so many pot holes, unpaved parts and hairpin turns as you have stated. There were some nice mountain views. I will probably stick with the fully paved Navarrete route seeing that I like to drive fast and I am used to that way.
I agree. I suggest leaving driving down there to the pros.
But there is another alternative I can recommend if you develop some connections.
I can get a Dominican to drive me most anywhere (in an old borrowed car) for little more than lunch, a few beers and the price of gas. No problem with having him wait for me to come back. He, like most Dominicans, seems to have friends and relatives everywhere to hang with.
If I was down there for an extended period of time though, I'd probably drive too.I've mostly use cabs or private drivers in DR, and Sosua is walkable so it's very rare for me to even use a cab within the city itself. One time I rented a car in Santiago for two nights, what an adventure that was. Definitely think twice about driving in DR. It's dangerous, and it's mostly because other people don't really care. If you have driven in a 3rd world country before, you might be OK but it's still a challenge. I rented an SUV which was not the best to drive. National gave me a Nissan Patrol, very interesting to drive and I wouldn't rent that again. Oh and make sure to get insurance, but also check the insurance policy etc. Some of the main roads are not that bad like from Santiago Cibao Airport driving into the city, but then once you get into the city it gets worse. But having a car can be convenient, especially if you are traveling all over town.
I know one thing, I would not try to take the mountain road between Sosua and Santiago. When I take a private cab, the driver will usually take that route. In the daytime it's OK, but at night time it is quite risky to say the least. The one good thing about it is when going to Santiago from Sosua, you get to a point on the drive (down the hill) where the views of Santiago are simply spectacular.
I've mostly use cabs or private drivers in DR, and Sosua is walkable so it's very rare for me to even use a cab within the city itself. One time I rented a car in Santiago for two nights, what an adventure that was. Definitely think twice about driving in DR. It's dangerous, and it's mostly because other people don't really care. If you have driven in a 3rd world country before, you might be OK but it's still a challenge. I rented an SUV which was not the best to drive. National gave me a Nissan Patrol, very interesting to drive and I wouldn't rent that again. Oh and make sure to get insurance, but also check the insurance policy etc. Some of the main roads are not that bad like from Santiago Cibao Airport driving into the city, but then once you get into the city it gets worse. But having a car can be convenient, especially if you are traveling all over town.
I know one thing, I would not try to take the mountain road between Sosua and Santiago. When I take a private cab, the driver will usually take that route. In the daytime it's OK, but at night time it is quite risky to say the least. The one good thing about it is when going to Santiago from Sosua, you get to a point on the drive (down the hill) where the views of Santiago are simply spectacular.I always think about driving down there for the obvious benefits, but I guess I'm intimidated by the thought of another layer of stress, rental, insurance, parking, damage, all that stuff. But the big thing for me is I drink more down there than I do at home, so I'm drinking every day.
But I do take moto conchos everywhere locally, especially between Sosua and Charamicos and that's probably the most risky thing I could do in the long run.
For everywhere else my GF makes cheap transportation appear as if by magic, and as mentioned before, we can always get a driver for outings or to take her home at the end of my trip to save her the 8 hour bus trip. Transportation has never been a problem, but if I had my own car down there I wouldn't hesitate.
For 4 years, just after The Wall came down, my partner and I ran summer English schools in Eastern Europe, and we'd spend two or three weeks driving from England and hitting as many countries as we could on the way. So I've driven in all the major cities, London, Paris, Berlin, Prague, Budapest, Milan, Rome, Vienna and Warsaw.
So Sosua shouldn't faze me, but it does.
Anyway, that is the last time that I deal with Tomjackin's sloppy seconds.Dude!
You are making it sound like it was my fault.
I had trouble with her in the clubs for one night, I told her to fuck off. She was square from then on out. I never mentioned money, and she always took what I gave her; but no sleep over's!
If and when I see her in August, I will give her hell for fucking with one of my friends; you can count on that for sure!
I have to comment on this one as you failed to mention the Putas or where you referring to them as the pests. On my last trip when my buddy arrived an older thinner Puerto Rican Puta (hardcore / speaks English) grabbed on to my buddy in the afternoon who was in a daze after taking two flights / red eye from LA. I tried to warn him that I didn't think she was a good choice but couldn't because she spoke English. He went with her and after banging for about 15 minutes she started bitching that it was taking to long, etc. Which typically is a boner killer and didn't end up finishing. Seems like the daytime Putas start making the rounds about 2 hours after the flights come into Puerto Plata looking for the dazed and confused newbies wandering the Strip, adjacent streets, and hotels.I think you are talking about "Flora". Cute, bad dental work, hyperactive. Did she take your buddy to the Casino too?
It's almost impossible to not befriend other mongers in Sosua.I wish I could say that was the case all of the time. But I have observed and experienced many stuck up or socially inept guys that don't make much effort to greet or acknowledge others. They may not speak or acknowledge other mongers unless they are put on the spot. And even then their response may be weak. But lately, I have observed and experienced more guys who were just the opposite. Being friendly, greeting individuals or groups of other mongers even before they are greeted. Or as soon as they hear someone greet them, respond back heartily with a response.
Same when walking down the street. I usually make eye contact when someone is approaching. I have experienced and observed guys who will look you dead in the eye and walk past without acknowledging or speaking, and others who are just the opposite. I know a small handful of vet mongers that are just weird. They can walk right past you like they don't know you, or keep their eyes forward like they didn't see you, and then you see the dude later and he suddenly talking your ear off about something. Or you end up near him where he is drinking or socializing with other people, and now he wants to yak your dome off. GTFOOH with your flaky ass. Personally, I can do without flaky people like that. But most guys I've met lately from all over the world, have been pretty cool guys.
I have to comment on this one as you failed to mention the Putas or where you referring to them as the pests. On my last trip when my buddy arrived an older thinner Puerto Rican Puta (hardcore / speaks English) grabbed on to my buddy in the afternoon who was in a daze after taking two flights / red eye from LA. I tried to warn him that I didn't think she was a good choice but couldn't because she spoke English. He went with her and after banging for about 15 minutes she started bitching that it was taking to long, etc. Which typically is a boner killer and didn't end up finishing. Seems like the daytime Putas start making the rounds about 2 hours after the flights come into Puerto Plata looking for the dazed and confused newbies wandering the Strip, adjacent streets, and hotels.I didn't get a lot of reports from some of the newbies I met. But some did experience issues with their chicas. It's unfortunate many of these guys may not be armed with enough information beforehand. And hardly a crash course sitting at Rumbas or Rockys is enough to prepare some dudes before they set out to enjoy their vacation. There were times some of these guys were drooling over known problem chicas. Of course you may want to warn them, but then you don't know how their experience (mileage may differ) maybe with the chicas they choose? He may tell you the next day, how great she was, how he had no problems. In some cases even a known barracuda chica might be on her best behavior at the start if she is playing the long game with a dude, or she is in deep deep covert actions mode, or he just caught her where she was in a better frame of mind?
I remember being in Rumbas and warning a dude that his friend's company (a chica) tried to bamboozle me out of my change at the restaurant she works at. The guy basically said really? Thats my boys girlfriend. I'm reasonably sure that the dude told his friend what I said, and his friend eventually talked about it with her. Because after that, I can tell by her body language and mannerisms that I'm likely on her shit list. It would not surprise me if they are no longer together, especially if the guy caught on to shit she may have been doing to him.
I wish I could say that was the case all of the time. But I have observed and experienced many stuck up or socially inept guys that don't make much effort to greet or acknowledge others. They may not speak or acknowledge other mongers unless they are put on the spot. And even then their response may be weak. But lately, I have observed and experienced more guys who were just the opposite. Being friendly, greeting individuals or groups of other mongers even before they are greeted. Or as soon as they hear someone greet them, respond back heartily with a response.
Same when walking down the street. I usually make eye contact when someone is approaching. I have experienced and observed guys who will look you dead in the eye and walk past without acknowledging or speaking, and others who are just the opposite. I know a small handful of vet mongers that are just weird. They can walk right past you like they don't know you, or keep their eyes forward like they didn't see you, and then you see the dude later and he suddenly talking your ear off about something. Or you end up near him where he is drinking or socializing with other people, and now he wants to yak your dome off. GTFOOH with your flaky ass. Personally, I can do without flaky people like that. But most guys I've met lately from all over the world, have been pretty cool guys.You raise an interesting issue.
When I'm down there I mostly interact with local residents, including ex pats. By choice.
I've done my duty in the past by helping newbies down there, and I'm usually a friendly guy, but I've posted stories here about some bad experiences with a few of them. Wanting to be part of the good time my GF and I seem to be having, but clinging, complaining about rip offs and not taking advice because they know better. So now I tend to leave them to their own devices.
I've been blamed for introducing them to chicas where they've had problems with their wallet, stuff, you name it. One asked for a room recommendation on the plane the way down, and never stopped complaining about that hotel where we, and everybody else were happy.
So since I don't need to spend time avoiding such people, I've learned to be picky about who I share my precious vacation time with.
This board probably reflects that wide range of attitudes, with its long drawn out disagreements on this or that way to roll.
I don't advocate ignoring fellow mongers on the street or in bars, but if a guy wants to be left alone. Let him be.
As you found out, he probably wasn't good company anyway.
She spent the night last night. She had expressed on whatsapp her disappointment that I did not communicate much when I left town for Santiago last weekend. But I couldn't do much of that since my DC chica was right up on me most of the time. When I asked her to spend the night last night, she was cool with that. I asked her to wear something sexy, especially her heels. When I picked her up at the Texaco station, she was looking quite sexy. A woman looking sexy, that's what I call natural viagra.
I previously bought some dominican food from Rickys so we wouldn't have to stop. Got to my spot, ate and watched a little TV then headed to bed. This time she provided some skilled oral on me, which she didn't do the 1st time. Then she mounted and rode me like her life depended on it. She knew how to move so she could get off, and then when it was my turn, jumped off snatched off that stupid ass condom, and saved the day with a warm mouth catching all of that substance instead of wasting it. Uh uh, no bolting for the bano with her, she just laid right there and cuddled up next to me. Now that's a thorough chica.
In the morning dropped her off so she could go to work. Another regular has been established.
You raise an interesting issue.
When I'm down there I mostly interact with local residents, including ex pats. By choice.
I've done my duty in the past by helping newbies down there, and I'm usually a friendly guy, but I've posted stories here about some bad experiences with a few of them. Wanting to be part of the good time my GF and I seem to be having, but clinging, complaining about rip offs and not taking advice because they know better. So now I tend to leave them to their own devices.
I've been blamed for introducing them to chicas where they've had problems with their wallet, stuff, you name it. One asked for a room recommendation on the plane the way down, and never stopped complaining about that hotel where we, and everybody else were happy.
So since I don't need to spend time avoiding such people, I've learned to be picky about who I share my precious vacation time with.
This board probably reflects that wide range of attitudes, with its long drawn out disagreements on this or that way to roll.
I don't advocate ignoring fellow mongers on the street or in bars, but if a guy wants to be left alone. Let him be.
As you found out, he probably wasn't good company anyway.Anytime one offers advice, information or suggestions that is subjective, you can run the risk of stuff like that happening. Not just with mongering, many things in the DR and life in general is YMMD. You've read posts here with guys saying how they can only tolerate Sosua for a few days, and then they're bored or whatever it is they become disenchanted with.
Meanwhile you have other guys who would consider making Sosua or the DR their new home. I stayed here 7 weeks last January til March and had a ball, and could have stayed longer if I could. I exercise caution with newbies when it comes to offering suggestions, and especially favorable recommendations on chicas. I too, don't want to have to hear some guy complaining about his hotel, bad food at a restaurant, a whack experience with a chica, so on and so forth.
My offerings are more about telling them simple things like where to exchange money, areas of interest, people to avoid, things to do, how to handle certain situations, and whatever else that's useful. I try to make it clear that I'm not endorsing or making any guarantees for them. Likewise, I take certain info or advice from others into consideration, then I apply or disregard accordingly.
My offerings are more about telling them simple things like where to exchange money, areas of interest, people to avoid, things to do, how to handle certain situations, and whatever else that's useful. I try to make it clear that I'm not endorsing or making any guarantees for them. Likewise, I take certain info or advice from others into consideration, then I apply or disregard accordingly.This is wise. You have to let other people make their own mistakes. Having lived in Sosua for some time, I have a couple of close friends there with whom I discuss mongering, sex, and chicas, and know maybe another half dozen single guys who I know have serial girlfriends, to say the least, but I also have relationships with many local people who have absolutely nothing to do with mongering, but based on things like mutual interests, charity work, healthcare, sport, exercise, education, and so on.
Occasionally I will get hailed in the street by people who have just arrived the day before and who are in a state of euphoria due to the sexual atmosphere they have experienced over the previous 24 hours and they will immediately start asking me questions about how long I have been in Sosua, or the price of chicas, or something else prostitution related--to which I will just politely evade the question or say something innocuous like "I'm not sure how much they are charging these days, but I think you can usually negotiate. " It is good if you can blend in so that people are not really sure if you have any interest in the prostitution scene or not.
This is wise. You have to let other people make their own mistakes. Having lived in Sosua for some time, I have a couple of close friends there with whom I discuss mongering, sex, and chicas, and know maybe another half dozen single guys who I know have serial girlfriends, to say the least, but I also have relationships with many local people who have absolutely nothing to do with mongering, but based on things like mutual interests, charity work, healthcare, sport, exercise, education, and so on.
Occasionally I will get hailed in the street by people who have just arrived the day before and who are in a state of euphoria due to the sexual atmosphere they have experienced over the previous 24 hours and they will immediately start asking me questions about how long I have been in Sosua, or the price of chicas, or something else prostitution related--to which I will just politely evade the question or say something innocuous like "I'm not sure how much they are charging these days, but I think you can usually negotiate. " It is good if you can blend in so that people are not really sure if you have any interest in the prostitution scene or not.I remember one guy "Jerry" who was the guy on the plane I mentioned earlier.
He asked if we minded if he hung out with GF and me, and of course we said yes. It can be fun to be with a guy his first time down there.
We had our usual table, and a few chicas / putas were sitting with us. Within ten minutes he was holding hands and getting hot and heavy with one of them and they seemed to be getting along well. A few minutes later there was a racket she stood up and was going to throw a drink at him.
Whoa, I grabbed her and asked him what the problem was. He said it was only 10 minutes before she asked him for milk money for her baby. So? I said, what's the problem? He said something about being insulted that she thought him an idiot, and I said, why do you think she was kissing and hugging you? He said he thought because she was with us, she was higher class. LOL.
So instead of laughing at her request and moving on to the next chica, he made a big scene out of it, and embarrassed us all.
Every morning over breakfast (if he could find us) he'd tell us another story of some rip off, and finally went home hating Sosua with a vengeance.
She spent the night last night. She knew how to move so she could get off, and then when it was my turn, jumped off snatched off that stupid ass condom, and saved the day with a warm mouth catching all of that substance instead of wasting it. Uh uh, no bolting for the bano with her, she just laid right there and cuddled up next to me. Now that's a thorough chica.Another one for your stable, and she swallows!
Another one for your stable, and she swallows!At least for now she can be in the rotation. Great sucking technique throughout, and swallowing does put her way at the top. She also refused me going down on her. I thought I owed her at least some reciprocation. How many women back home have a man that makes them come orally, but then don't want to reciprocate the deed to the man? Or their technique is so weak, you eventually make them stop.
At least for now she can be in the rotation. Great sucking technique throughout, and swallowing does put her way at the top. She also refused me going down on her. I thought I owed her at least some reciprocation. How many women back home have a man that makes them come orally, but then don't want to reciprocate the deed to the man? Or their technique is so weak, you eventually make them stop.I've given up on women back home so can't comment on them, but I've been told by both Dominicans and Haitians that their men don't typically go down on them so if you do and your good at it they go wild which has been my experience. As far as your Chica not wanting it, she may have just finished her period, etc. The thought of you wanting to reciprocate I'm sure was appreciated by your Chica. Next time you see her if she refuses you muff diving again just ask her why.
I wish I could say that was the case all of the time. But I have observed and experienced many stuck up or socially inept guys that don't make much effort to greet or acknowledge others. They may not speak or acknowledge other mongers unless they are put on the spot. And even then their response may be weak. But lately, I have observed and experienced more guys who were just the opposite. Being friendly, greeting individuals or groups of other mongers even before they are greeted. Or as soon as they hear someone greet them, respond back heartily with a response.
Same when walking down the street. I usually make eye contact when someone is approaching. I have experienced and observed guys who will look you dead in the eye and walk past without acknowledging or speaking, and others who are just the opposite. I know a small handful of vet mongers that are just weird. They can walk right past you like they don't know you, or keep their eyes forward like they didn't see you, and then you see the dude later and he suddenly talking your ear off about something. Or you end up near him where he is drinking or socializing with other people, and now he wants to yak your dome off. GTFOOH with your flaky ass. Personally, I can do without flaky people like that. But most guys I've met lately from all over the world, have been pretty cool guys.From my little bit of experience I've found it kind of difficult to make the 180° turn from the culture I live in (never ever greet someone you don't know or haven't been introduced to, don't make eye contact, smiling and politeness are signs of weakness) to the D. R monger culture (laid back, friendly, sociable, let's chat and drink a few beers while relaxing).
I'm sure that after a few more trips it will get easier but so far I've got to learn how to turn the Eastern USA Defenses off when I arrive in country.
I'd bet some of these guys you describe are having the same problem.
Tempoecorto
06-25-14, 02:49
I finally took that mountain pass from Santiago to Sosua. It was in the late afternoon and I arrived in Sosua before dark. It was much faster than my usual Navarrete route, but so many pot holes, unpaved parts and hairpin turns as you have stated. There were some nice mountain views. I will probably stick with the fully paved Navarrete route seeing that I like to drive fast and I am used to that way.I have been taking that road ever since I first discovered it in 2012. I would not drive it under rainy condition or at night but it is a pleasure on a sunny day. I have had women who were with me, who stopped to buy roast pork on the road and I stop to buy fruit or beer. On the other hand, a much better road exists, if you took the same terrain, coming from Tenares and cross over to Jasper Hernandez and then get to sosua via cabarete. I did that one on a rainy morning and the road hardly had any trace of earth movement. It is maintained a lot better I presume.
I've given up on women back home so can't comment on them, but I've been told by both Dominicans and Haitians that their men don't typically go down on them so if you do and your good at it they go wild which has been my experience. As far as your Chica not wanting it, she may have just finished her period, etc. The thought of you wanting to reciprocate I'm sure was appreciated by your Chica. Next time you see her if she refuses you muff diving again just ask her why.My experience has been, many liked oral performed on them, but don't want to come orally. They want to come with a man up inside them. They will tolerate it (oral) initially, but after awhile they might start grabbing and pulling for you to start pumping. I have had several chicas push me off after a few minutes ( me doing oral on them ), because they can't take it anymore (for good reasons) or they just don't want to come that way.
In my chicas case, the 1st time I did oral on her, she did get very worked up, but seemed like if I continued she would have came, and probably not have been as horny for me to continue with me up inside of her. Last night she started with oral, then we had a nice session and she finished with oral. I never initiated oral on her until after we had did our thing, and showered. When I came out the shower I slid down like I was going to go down on her, and she covered her pussy. Wasnt a big deal to me, I was actually done. And she did come while we were banging. So I think she was satisfied and just wasnt in the mood for more, especially oral. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility of her period being recent.
Camaro1257
06-25-14, 04:14
My experience has been, many liked oral performed on them, but don't want to come orally. They want to come with a man up inside them. They will tolerate it (oral) initially, but after awhile they might start grabbing and pulling for you to start pumping. I have had several chicas push me off after a few minutes ( me doing oral on them ), because they can't take it anymore (for good reasons) or they just don't want to come that way.
That makes a lot of sense. I have a favorita that will interrupt me in the act of chupar now I know why.
My experience has been, many liked oral performed on them, but don't want to come orally. They want to come with a man up inside them. They will tolerate it (oral) initially, but after awhile they might start grabbing and pulling for you to start pumping. I have had several chicas push me off after a few minutes ( me doing oral on them ), because they can't take it anymore (for good reasons) or they just don't want to come that way.
In my chicas case, the 1st time I did oral on her, she did get very worked up, but seemed like if I continued she would have came, and probably not have been as horny for me to continue with me up inside of her. Last night she started with oral, then we had a nice session and she finished with oral. I never initiated oral on her until after we had did our thing, and showered. When I came out the shower I slid down like I was going to go down on her, and she covered her pussy. Wasnt a big deal to me, I was actually done. And she did come while we were banging. So I think she was satisfied and just wasnt in the mood for more, especially oral. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility of her period being recent.Well this is turning out to be an interesting topic. Some of my Chicas are expecting to get off orally first, followed by getting off one or more additional times during a long session. The multi-orgasm Chicas are the ones I like having in my stable, there's nothing like a swallowing horn-dog. They typically don't complain when it takes me a long time to to finish after the the third or fourth time in a night.
Camaro1257
06-25-14, 10:55
They typically don't complain when it takes me a long time to to finish after the the third or fourth time in a night.How can I be the man when you be the MANNNN!. LOL.
DirtySouthBoy
06-25-14, 13:05
Heading to DR in two days, first time. I've tried to read and view options on the selection of the ladies, ie. Which ones that are down, no drama and the others who are nuttier then squirrel shit. So far it leans towards the Haitian women to stay clear of. Any you guys agree and can drop a little knowledge on the newbie?
However I choose my victims carefully. The hardcore girls aren't on the menu. I have a non pro I have known for years who when I ask ed what she like the in bed said oral. She went nuts when I went down on her. I look forward to watching her bust multiple orgasms.
Mats Naslund
06-25-14, 15:29
What Surfer 500 said is right. Being from Haitian descent on my mom side I confirm that Dominicans and Haitians for the most part won't go down on a woman.
Just not part of the macho culture of Hispaniola island and for some reason the men there still see the chucha as something dirty and a bit repulsive.
It explains the funny looks I get from the girls in Haiti when I DATY on our first night.
Heading to DR in two days, first time. I've tried to read and view options on the selection of the ladies, ie. Which ones that are down, no drama and the others who are nuttier then squirrel shit. So far it leans towards the Haitian women to stay clear of. Any you guys agree and can drop a little knowledge on the newbie?There is no particular reason to steer clear of Haitian women in general, in fact they are often the best choice available. You have to understand that all of the women you are going to meet will have an tendency to want to get as much money as possible out of you for the least effort on your part.
It is nice to think that there are some chicas in Sosua who behave like licensed professionals, masseuses with benefits, if you like, and just try to provide mongers with a great experience for a reasonable price, but you would be nuts if you think this is what motivates any but a miniscule minority.
Probably the best experiences will be gotten from the girls who are new or relatively new to the game, but the downside here is that if they really do provide a girlfriend experience, it is usually precisely because they do want to become girlfriends, get repeat business from you and so on.
Bottom line is if you want to be absolutely certain of avoiding any bum experiences, then just stay away altogether. The upside is that if you play your cards right and learn from mistakes, you may have some passionate sexual experiences that exceed all your expectations.
Tempoecorto
06-25-14, 16:41
From my little bit of experience I've found it kind of difficult to make the 180 turn from the culture I live in (never ever greet someone you don't know or haven't been introduced to, don't make eye contact, smiling and politeness are signs of weakness) I then presume you live in NYC or similar. I am from New England -there and even in upstate NY, it is rather normal to say Hi as you pass by others especially if you are on a stroll or jogging or biking. Big city logic is that of paranoia I guess everywhere.
DirtySouthBoy
06-25-14, 17:01
There is no particular reason to steer clear of Haitian women in general, in fact they are often the best choice available. You have to understand that all of the women you are going to meet will have an tendency to want to get as much money as possible out of you for the least effort on your part.
It is nice to think that there are some chicas in Sosua who behave like licensed professionals, masseuses with benefits, if you like, and just try to provide mongers with a great experience for a reasonable price, but you would be nuts if you think this is what motivates any but a miniscule minority.
Probably the best experiences will be gotten from the girls who are new or relatively new to the game, but the downside here is that if they really do provide a girlfriend experience, it is usually precisely because they do want to become girlfriends, get repeat business from you and so on.
Bottom line is if you want to be absolutely certain of avoiding any bum experiences, then just stay away altogether. The upside is that if you play your cards right and learn from mistakes, you may have some passionate sexual experiences that exceed all your expectations.Thanks buddy. Pretty much like San Jose Ticas v. Colombian ladies. I find the Ticas kinda get to the job at hand and go where most of my Colombian girls that I have experienced are all about wild fun, last time I was in the key largo the Colombian sweety was seriously trying to fuck me at the bar. The at the far left back bar with the small dance floor. Loco chica but G-damn she is was fun.
Again thank you for the insight that's the kind of info that keeps ones mind open.
However I choose my victims carefully. The hardcore girls aren't on the menu. I have a non pro I have known for years who when I ask ed what she like the in bed said oral. She went nuts when I went down on her. I look forward to watching her bust multiple orgasms.Sometimes what these girls do when they get off orally amazes me. One of my Dominicans shakes, rattles, and screams while one of my Haitians grabs my head, pulls on my hair, moans, and is a lava flow. The rewards you reap with the women you get off orally are tremendous as they will respond in kind with you, at least that has been my experience. For the "sport fucking" crowd pulling the hard core Putas off the Strip, they won't be into as much unless you have a track record with them. A buddy of mine started going with one of the hardcore street Putas and after going down on her the first time she made it clear during the following sessions that part of the program was her getting her pussy sucked on first. For me it's a turn on watching these women 25 to 35 years younger than me getting off.
T Bottom line is if you want to be absolutely certain of avoiding any bum experiences, then just stay away altogether. The upside is that if you play your cards right and learn from mistakes, you may have some passionate sexual experiences that exceed all your expectations.What you have stated is so true!
ILikeBigButts3
06-25-14, 21:38
Can anyone recommend an apartment listing (studio or 1 bed) or hotel in Sosua that can I pay for online using a credit card?
I was let to believe that a New Garden, you can pay by card but there would be a massive surcharge plus you have to pay in Dominican Peso. So my cards are in pound sterling and I dread to think of the exchange rate plus one of charges that would be applied for such a transaction whilst I'm there.
Any help would be appreciated.
Can anyone recommend an apartment listing (studio or 1 bed) or hotel in Sosua that can I pay for online using a credit card?
I was let to believe that a New Garden, you can pay by card but there would be a massive surcharge plus you have to pay in Dominican Peso. So my cards are in pound sterling and I dread to think of the exchange rate plus one of charges that would be applied for such a transaction whilst I'm there.
Any help would be appreciated.I've used my Canadian card at both the Terra Linda, and the Casa Marina. The cost at both is in DP, but the exchange rate charged by my credit card provider was good. The Terra Linda had a surcharge that wasn't prohibitive when you consider they don't charge extra for a week long "guest". The amall hotels usually want cash only.
ILikeBigButts3
06-26-14, 01:44
I've used my Canadian card at both the Terra Linda, and the Casa Marina. The cost at both is in DP, but the exchange rate charged by my credit card provider was good. The Terra Linda had a surcharge that wasn't prohibitive when you consider they don't charge extra for a week long "guest". The amall hotels usually want cash only.Thanks for the info Oakie, but isn't Casa Marina an all inclusive (and not girl friendly)? Have never read it mentioned in any posts.
Ipanema Carioca
06-26-14, 12:01
Can anyone recommend an apartment listing (studio or 1 bed) or hotel in Sosua that can I pay for online using a credit card?
I was let to believe that a New Garden, you can pay by card but there would be a massive surcharge plus you have to pay in Dominican Peso. So my cards are in pound sterling and I dread to think of the exchange rate plus one of charges that would be applied for such a transaction whilst I'm there.
Any help would be appreciated.Beware: The average surcharge cost to use a credit card at a hotel in Sosua is 18%. So cash is cheaper.
Well this is turning out to be an interesting topic. Some of my Chicas are expecting to get off orally first, followed by getting off one or more additional times during a long session. The multi-orgasm Chicas are the ones I like having in my stable, there's nothing like a swallowing horn-dog. They typically don't complain when it takes me a long time to to finish after the the third or fourth time in a night.My sex life growing up in the states, I was accustomed to multi-orgasm females almost as a norm. In fact, for the most part I believe a lot of men had the idea that they were supposed to put in some work to make sure a woman was satisfied. Had to be prepared for marathon sessions. I think back then that's why men commonly talked about and were expected ( by 1st world women ) to fuck for hours.
Fast forward to today. My experience with many if not most dominican women, is that they have been very easy to satisfy in the bedroom. It may not take hours, it may take minutes to get many of the women off, that I have encountered in the last few years. With some dominican women I had to make an adjustment to make sure I got off after they did , just in case they couldnt continue.
Moreover, many dominican women were very tight, or had very small vaginal openings. This surprised me back then, because I thought many of these women would be big enough that a dude had better be very well endowed, or definitely know how to use what he's got to the 10th power.
I know there are many dominican women that are multi-orgasmic, but I have not run across an abundance of them. Of course I could venture to guess, the chicas trying to earn a living may not want to go all out, and not have much left for the next customer. Which could explain one reason why a dude got a whack performer, or some chica pulling all kinds of game trying to get out of doing what she was hired to do.
Additionally, enough men report similar experiences, that a lot of dominican women are very small down there. And if you get one that has a hard time getting wet, you might be in for a challenge getting your power tool in there, let alone a finger. Kinda ego stroking knowing many of these chicas fit just right or are almost intimidated by even an average sized dude. Many arent used to guys being gentle and skilled in the bedroom it seems. Giving massages, caressing, taking ones time etc. Thats old school.
Since I'm older now, and not in my prime sexually, I am happy and impressed that I can hang with all of the DR women I session with. In fact, they are the ones that konk out 1st. Just like this morning. My 38 yr old DC mujer (non pro) is fast asleep after a quick 20 minute session. I'm here typing this post and watching 24 season 9 on TV. So it's cool that guys in our 40's,50's,60's and up can enjoy a woman to the fullest, get her off and have her pass out. We have the money, the resources, the education, loads of life experience, which adds up to a certain level of swag. In their eyes, I'm sure enough of these DR women consider that POWER. The idea is to know how to use it properly and maintain it, and not compromise it by being stupid with it.
Fun in the DR or traveling the world freely, not shackled by commitments or a nest slave marriage, life doesnt get any better than this.
18% are taxes NOT credit card surcharges.
Beware: The average surcharge cost to use a credit card at a hotel in Sosua is 18%. So cash is cheaper.
Beware: The average surcharge cost to use a credit card at a hotel in Sosua is 18%. So cash is cheaper.
So it's cool that guys in our 40's,50's,60's and up can enjoy a woman to the fullest, get her off and have her pass out. We have the money, the resources, the education, loads of life experience, which adds up to a certain level of swag. In their eyes, I'm sure enough of these DR women consider that POWER. The idea is to know how to use it properly and maintain it, and not compromise it by being stupid with it.
Fun in the DR or traveling the world freely, not shackled by commitments or a nest slave marriage, life doesnt get any better than this.What you have said in the above rings true for me, however I think the majority of the members of this board are not at this point in their lives to travel the world freely with no commitments which is something that I just achieved and truly is Nirvana.
Thanks for the info Oakie, but isn't Casa Marina an all inclusive (and not girl friendly)? Have never read it mentioned in any posts.You are correct, but you were asking about hotels that accepted credit cards. Terra Linda is girl friendly (one at a time).
As the other posters say, you are best to leave the credit card at home, but I've used mine in situations where my cash resources were temporarily limited.
Certainly you are at risk of fraud to use a credit card generally around town (the Waterfront Restaurant is a good case in point).
Stick to cash and enjoy!
Sometimes what these girls do when they get off orally amazes me. One of my Dominicans shakes, rattles, and screams while one of my Haitians grabs my head, pulls on my hair, moans, and is a lava flow. The rewards you reap with the women you get off orally are tremendous as they will respond in kind with you, at least that has been my experience. For the "sport fucking" crowd pulling the hard core Putas off the Strip, they won't be into as much unless you have a track record with them. A buddy of mine started going with one of the hardcore street Putas and after going down on her the first time she made it clear during the following sessions that part of the program was her getting her pussy sucked on first. For me it's a turn on watching these women 25 to 35 years younger than me getting off.I would like to think that many of the chicas sharing intel on me (aside from how I spend my money) in the bedroom is good. But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about. All you need in most cases is cash, and you're a charismatic rock star.
There is no doubt the chicas I put it down on, arent faking. And it is a turn on watching them getting off. Sometimes I think they should be paying us!
Heading to DR in two days, first time. I've tried to read and view options on the selection of the ladies, ie. Which ones that are down, no drama and the others who are nuttier then squirrel shit. So far it leans towards the Haitian women to stay clear of. Any you guys agree and can drop a little knowledge on the newbie?I am still a noob in the DR scene, but you will find many experienced mongers there that prefer the Haitian girls for their reliable performance. If you have bad luck or poor screening you can get stuck with a crazy no matter the ethnicity. However many Haitians are there illegally so the don't want any problems with the police anymore than you do. Personally I just always try to stay away from the over the top done up ladies. Ya know the ones walking around that you can just tell think they have a 4,000 peso pussy. From my recent trip all the ladies purposed a $2,000 opening offer for ST. I'm not that aggressive on trying to low ball but I would always tell them I'm not paying 2 for a st. They would always drop to 1,500 and we were both happy with that. My wingman who is more aggressive and speaks better Spanish got a few of them down to $1000 but each his own I suppose.
Have fun man! It's your first trip, you'll make some mistakes, big picture what is 500 pesos? Like $12.
Oh it penny pinching but whatever the change guys offer, say no thanks and walk away, they always come back with a better offer. I just stayed at hotel Europa, they do a pretty fair rate as well. I got 43 to 1 and the will give their posted rate 24 hours a day. Some change guys try to offer lower at night. Oh and don't buy anything from the motos, unless you like over paying.
Can anyone recommend an apartment listing (studio or 1 bed) or hotel in Sosua that can I pay for online using a credit card?
I was let to believe that a New Garden, you can pay by card but there would be a massive surcharge plus you have to pay in Dominican Peso. So my cards are in pound sterling and I dread to think of the exchange rate plus one of charges that would be applied for such a transaction whilst I'm there.
Any help would be appreciated.I stayed with Rick in April at Mary Rose but he runs a couple of places. Many credit cards will charge you a fee on your statement for international transactions, so know your card. I have one that doesn't, so asked asked Rick what the fee was to pay with card. It was either 3% or 3.5% either way a very fair surcharge on his part because it does cost him money too.
I would like to think that many of the chicas sharing intel on me (aside from how I spend my money) in the bedroom is good. But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about. All you need in most cases is cash, and you're a charismatic rock star.
There is no doubt the chicas I put it down on, arent faking. And it is a turn on watching them getting off. Sometimes I think they should be paying us!LOL. A little reality here.
For the money you pay them they make you FEEL like a "charismatic rock star". That's what hookers do. "aye yi yi papi".
But if I were that good I wouldn't need to go to Sosua.
Heading to DR in two days, first time. I've tried to read and view options on the selection of the ladies, ie. Which ones that are down, no drama and the others who are nuttier then squirrel shit. So far it leans towards the Haitian women to stay clear of. Any you guys agree and can drop a little knowledge on the newbie?If you find them attractive, go for it!
LOL. A little reality here.
For the money you pay them they make you FEEL like a "charismatic rock star". That's what hookers do. "aye yi yi papi".
But if I were that good I wouldn't need to go to Sosua.I do see your point as it applies in YOUR regard. Are you implying you have never got off any of the hookers / women you've fucked in the DR? All your hookers / women were faking ("aye yi yi papi")? If so, I think this is a case of YMMD amigo. I surely experienced enough chicas that got off, as opposed to the women that were faking or over exaggerating. The "dame su leche, aye papi" crew. Hooker or not, IMO a chicas profession in bed doesn't mean they have an inability to come. A lot can depend on chemistry between both parties, and the timing of the encounter. Try catching a semi pro or non pro who hasnt had sex in awhile. YMMD.
On my last three excursions to our beloved Sosua during the last seven months, I have been with at least 10 Haitians. All of them appeared to be fine specimens clothed, with beautiful figures, and the cutest, sweetest asses. However upon removal of their undergarments I noticed droopy, saggy tits on over half of them. I conducted an informal survey with others out on the Strip one afternoon while having beverages at the Puta Viewing Gallery Cafe opposite Rumbas and others told me they had observed the same thing. Apparently all of the Haitians with saggy tits had kids, but I hadn't noticed anything like this with the Dominican women. So do Haitian women while lactating feed other children as well causing the pronounced sagging? Is there some ritual performed in Haiti causing this condition on these womens poor breasts? As this is a formal survey now, what have you others observed?
Ipanema Carioca
06-27-14, 04:54
18% are taxes NOT credit card surcharges.
Beware: The average surcharge cost to use a credit card at a hotel in Sosua is 18%. So cash is cheaper.When I pay my credit card bill every time I leave a hotel they tell me the bill is 18% more if I use a credit card. Now that sounds like a credit care processing fee and not a tax, because the total bill is the total bill cash or credit, but if I pay cash there is no 18% extra. So how is that a tax? Explain!
Ipanema Carioca
06-27-14, 04:59
On my last three excursions to our beloved Sosua during the last seven months, I have been with at least 10 Haitians. All of them appeared to be fine specimens clothed, with beautiful figures, and the cutest, sweetest asses. However upon removal of their undergarments I noticed droopy, saggy tits on over half of them. I conducted an informal survey with others out on the Strip one afternoon while having beverages at the Puta Viewing Gallery Cafe opposite Rumbas and others told me they had observed the same thing. Apparently all of the Haitians with saggy tits had kids, but I hadn't noticed anything like this with the Dominican women. So do Haitian women while lactating feed other children as well causing the pronounced sagging? Is there some ritual performed in Haiti causing this condition on these womens poor breasts? As this is a formal survey now, what have you others observed?My last trip I met a nice bodied 30 year old Haitian who has no kids. Lean and smooth and beautiful, flat stomach and athletic. When she took off her bra the tithes were sagging. I just had this conversation with my wingman who met her cousin together. And I told my bud that I think she has been pregnant before, because her tithes sagged. So I think your survey is pretty valid. But I want to fuck some more Haitians to confirm.
Sometimes I think they should be paying us!Oh, puh-lease! What have you been smoking? If you are getting pleasure from seeing them get off, they should charge you extra.
Oh, puh-lease! What have you been smoking? If you are getting pleasure from seeing them get off, they should charge you extra.You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation. Especially when I share humor with another poster. Its times like this I have to remember the ignorant people and those who are challenged when it comes to common sense, are also reading this forum too. Thanks for continuing to remind us of your shortcomings in that regard.
Mr Enternational
06-27-14, 09:48
I stayed with Rick in April at Mary Rose but he runs a couple of places. Many credit cards will charge you a fee on your statement for international transactions, so know your card. I have one that doesn't, so asked asked Rick what the fee was to pay with card. It was either 3% or 3.5% either way a very fair surcharge on his part because it does cost him money too.Discover does not charge international fees, which was my only reason for getting the card. Credit card companies charge all merchants a fee, it's just that in some countries the merchant will pass the 3% fee on to the customer. But 18%? Yeah, as Frannie would say, you should be paying that with a smile on your face.
On my last three excursions to our beloved Sosua during the last seven months, I have been with at least 10 Haitians. All of them appeared to be fine specimens clothed, with beautiful figures, and the cutest, sweetest asses. However upon removal of their undergarments I noticed droopy, saggy tits on over half of them. I conducted an informal survey with others out on the Strip one afternoon while having beverages at the Puta Viewing Gallery Cafe opposite Rumbas and others told me they had observed the same thing. Apparently all of the Haitians with saggy tits had kids, but I hadn't noticed anything like this with the Dominican women. So do Haitian women while lactating feed other children as well causing the pronounced sagging? Is there some ritual performed in Haiti causing this condition on these womens poor breasts? As this is a formal survey now, what have you others observed?I can't speak much on the subject. I just know I have to pay attention to see if any woman is using a padded bra or some other garment, trying to create an illusion to hide something that might be a turnoff.
I do see your point as it applies in YOUR regard. Are you implying you have never got off any of the hookers / women you've fucked in the DR? All your hookers / women were faking ("aye yi yi papi")? If so, I think this is a case of YMMD amigo. I surely experienced enough chicas that got off, as opposed to the women that were faking or over exaggerating. The "dame su leche, aye papi" crew. Hooker or not, IMO a chicas profession in bed doesn't mean they have an inability to come. A lot can depend on chemistry between both parties, and the timing of the encounter. Try catching a semi pro or non pro who hasnt had sex in awhile. YMMD.
QUOTE "But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about".QUOTE
I couldn't comment on your prowess in bed, without hearing what the putas say about you, LOL. It's just that your comment seems like a put down to the rest of the poor mongers.
I would imagine that, like me and you, a lot of these "clients" come away feeling like a sexual god.
All I know is that the reason most of us go to Sosua, with all our shortcomings, (no pun intended) is that beautiful women can make us feel that way, for a price.
QUOTE "But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about".QUOTE
I couldn't comment on your prowess in bed, without hearing what the putas say about you, LOL. It's just that your comment seems like a put down to the rest of the poor mongers.
I would imagine that, like me and you, a lot of these "clients" come away feeling like a sexual god.
All I know is that the reason most of us go to Sosua, with all our shortcomings, (no pun intended) is that beautiful women can make us feel that way, for a price.Oakie. What something seems is not a reality. You quoted me, but did you take into account the key words I used? Here they are. "some of the men" and "enough of these chicas" Now when you read those words did that give you cause to believe I was talking about "the rest of the poor mongers"? I sure didn't get that when I wrote what I wrote. Thats quite a genetalization on your part. Considering I specifically said some of the men enough chicas have as clients. Some and enough don't add up to the rest of the poor mongers. Now either I'm correct as to who the information pertains to which in this case the numbers don't matter only that it is applicable at some point, or would you rather stick to what something seems instead of how I conveyed it?. Even if you want to focus on my words being a put down to whom it applies to, the fact remains I didn't specifically say what it was about some of those men. So exactly in your opinion how did I seem to put the rest of the mongers down?
On my last three excursions to our beloved Sosua during the last seven months, I have been with at least 10 Haitians. All of them appeared to be fine specimens clothed, with beautiful figures, and the cutest, sweetest asses. However upon removal of their undergarments I noticed droopy, saggy tits on over half of them. I conducted an informal survey with others out on the Strip one afternoon while having beverages at the Puta Viewing Gallery Cafe opposite Rumbas and others told me they had observed the same thing. Apparently all of the Haitians with saggy tits had kids, but I hadn't noticed anything like this with the Dominican women. So do Haitian women while lactating feed other children as well causing the pronounced sagging? Is there some ritual performed in Haiti causing this condition on these womens poor breasts? As this is a formal survey now, what have you others observed?It is not just Haitians. Last time I had fun with a young 19 year old local girl. She had a very pretty face and nice boobs when she was dressed. Once everything came off her boobs fell everywhere. She was chubby which she hid very well. However her pussy was really tight. This girl had one baby.
Tempoecorto
06-27-14, 14:46
When I pay my credit card bill every time I leave a hotel they tell me the bill is 18% more if I use a credit card. Now that sounds like a credit care processing fee and not a tax, because the total bill is the total bill cash or credit, but if I pay cash there is no 18% extra. So how is that a tax? Explain!The moment it is a credit card transaction, it can no longer be hidden from the taxman and so they will also have to charge the ITBIS which stands at 18%. Whether they would charge also the credit card fee (typically 3%) is likely a negotiable item. Finally most cards will charge a foreign exchange transaction fee. No wonder cash is king in the DR.
I can't speak much on the subject. I just know I have to pay attention to see if any woman is using a padded bra or some other garment, trying to create an illusion to hide something that might be a turnoff.Surprised you having nothing to say on this subject! If you have gone with any Haitians at all you can partake in the Survey!
Oakie. What something seems is not a reality. You quoted me, but did you take into account the key words I used? Here they are. "some of the men" and "enough of these chicas" Now when you read those words did that give you cause to believe I was talking about "the rest of the poor mongers"? I sure didn't get that when I wrote what I wrote. Thats quite a genetalization on your part. Considering I specifically said some of the men enough chicas have as clients. Some and enough don't add up to the rest of the poor mongers. Now either I'm correct as to who the information pertains to which in this case the numbers don't matter only that it is applicable at some point, or would you rather stick to what something seems instead of how I conveyed it?. Even if you want to focus on my words being a put down to whom it applies to, the fact remains I didn't specifically say what it was about some of those men. So exactly in your opinion how did I seem to put the rest of the mongers down?Well, in addition to your quote I was responding to, you are also telling a respected long time veteran here, Frannie, QUOTE, "You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation", QUOTE.
To me that indicates a pattern.
But it's just my opinion.
Discover does not charge international fees, which was my only reason for getting the card. Credit card companies charge all merchants a fee, it's just that in some countries the merchant will pass the 3% fee on to the customer. But 18%? Yeah, as Frannie would say, you should be paying that with a smile on your face.If you pay in cash the money goes straight into the owner's back pocket, but if you pay by credit card the transaction has to go through the books. That is the most likely explanation for the cash discount.
You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation. Especially when I share humor with another poster. Its times like this I have to remember the ignorant people and those who are challenged when it comes to common sense, are also reading this forum too. Thanks for continuing to remind us of your shortcomings in that regard.Thank you for your witty reply. I do appreciate you taking the time out from your academic studies and busy mongering schedule to address my comment. Now I have got the subtle joke about them paying you for oral sex I am ROTFL with you, not at you.
Well, in addition to your quote I was responding to, you are also telling a respected long time veteran here, Frannie, QUOTE, "You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation", QUOTE.
To me that indicates a pattern.
But it's just my opinion.I will be happy to address this opinion you have of a pattern later. But for now would you please address my previous post? Because I pointed out a key component of the problem. You making up something and trying to assign it to me. So I addressed that. It gets more complicated when you try to deviate from the original issue and focus on something / somebody else. So lets just deal with the last response. What I said does not equate to the rest of the poor mongers as you concluded.
As far as Frannie is concerned, I deal with foolishness on an as needed basis or when I feel like it. Everything coming out of his cyber mouth is not foolishness. Only what I've addressed in my regard concerning some of what I read.
So when you finish answering and addressing my previous post/ questions then we can move on to the next opinion of what somethings seems to you. I believe when were done ( if you choose to offer honest feedback ) we will see if this pattern is coming from me or coming from you? If you never ask for feedback and clarity on things that seems a certain way or its only an opinion, you will never understand the people you judge or assess.
Look what I do, I attempt to entertain what people say, and try to seek feedback to see how they came to their presumptions and opinions. And I get what you gave me. An "O well" deflection. Thats the issue I have with Frannie from time to time when I ask him specific questions to address his wrong and unsubstantiated assessments. And that is the pattern I have with him.
I dont expect to have that problem with everybody, but will deal with it when I see it.
Thank you for your witty reply. I do appreciate you taking the time out from your academic studies and busy mongering schedule to address my comment. Now I have got the subtle joke about them paying you for oral sex I am ROTFL with you, not at you.Its not wit, its the truth.
Surprised you having nothing to say on this subject! If you have gone with any Haitians at all you can partake in the Survey!I will offer something when I get the chance. I'm on the move.
Charles Pooter
06-27-14, 16:54
However many Haitians are there illegally so the don't want any problems with the police anymore than you do.I would say 90% of them are illegal. But this is a big advantage to the monger. They are far less likely to cause problems and draw attention to themselves.
ILikeBigButts3
06-27-14, 18:34
I stayed with Rick in April at Mary Rose but he runs a couple of places. Many credit cards will charge you a fee on your statement for international transactions, so know your card. I have one that doesn't, so asked asked Rick what the fee was to pay with card. It was either 3% or 3.5% either way a very fair surcharge on his part because it does cost him money too.Will send Rick from Rocky's an email to double check the %fee, 3 percent is average everywhere so won't complain. Now I'll also have to check with card issuers for exchange rates and any international fees.
I will be happy to address this opinion you have of a pattern later. But for now would you please address my previous post? Because I pointed out a key component of the problem. You making up something and trying to assign it to me. So I addressed that. It gets more complicated when you try to deviate from the original issue and focus on something / somebody else. So lets just deal with the last response. What I said does not equate to the rest of the poor mongers as you concluded.
As far as Frannie is concerned, I deal with foolishness on an as needed basis or when I feel like it. Everything coming out of his cyber mouth is not foolishness. Only what I've addressed in my regard concerning some of what I read.
So when you finish answering and addressing my previous post/ questions then we can move on to the next opinion of what somethings seems to you. I believe when were done ( if you choose to offer honest feedback ) we will see if this pattern is coming from me or coming from you? If you never ask for feedback and clarity on things that seems a certain way or its only an opinion, you will never understand the people you judge or assess.
Look what I do, I attempt to entertain what people say, and try to seek feedback to see how they came to their presumptions and opinions. And I get what you gave me. An "O well" deflection. Thats the issue I have with Frannie from time to time when I ask him specific questions to address his wrong and unsubstantiated assessments. And that is the pattern I have with him.
I dont expect to have that problem with everybody, but will deal with it when I see it.No problem. In your previous post you asked," So exactly in your opinion how did I seem to put the rest of the mongers down?
To which I replied, "in addition to your quote "But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about", you are also telling a respected long time veteran here, Frannie, "You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation".
Those comments were made in two posts on the then current page. To me that indicates a pattern.
Still does.
No problem. In your previous post you asked," So exactly in your opinion how did I seem to put the rest of the mongers down?
To which I replied, "in addition to your quote "But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about", you are also telling a respected long time veteran here, Frannie, "You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation".
Those comments were made in two posts on the then current page. To me that indicates a pattern.
Still does.More deflections and jumping out at others. Do not expect any real answers to your questions. That will not be forthcoming.
RR.
I have seen this in all countries where women mature much younger.
There breasts are all suckled dry like punctured inflatable gadgets.
Some of these women even refuse to remove their bra out of shame.
I always ask if they have kids before I start dealing with them.
On my last three excursions to our beloved Sosua during the last seven months, I have been with at least 10 Haitians. All of them appeared to be fine specimens clothed, with beautiful figures, and the cutest, sweetest asses. However upon removal of their undergarments I noticed droopy, saggy tits on over half of them. I conducted an informal survey with others out on the Strip one afternoon while having beverages at the Puta Viewing Gallery Cafe opposite Rumbas and others told me they had observed the same thing. Apparently all of the Haitians with saggy tits had kids, but I hadn't noticed anything like this with the Dominican women. So do Haitian women while lactating feed other children as well causing the pronounced sagging? Is there some ritual performed in Haiti causing this condition on these womens poor breasts? As this is a formal survey now, what have you others observed?
No problem. In your previous post you asked," So exactly in your opinion how did I seem to put the rest of the mongers down?
To which I replied, "in addition to your quote "But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about", you are also telling a respected long time veteran here, Frannie, "You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation".
Those comments were made in two posts on the then current page. To me that indicates a pattern.
Still does.Oakie that's not the original issue you were responding to. This is what you said
I couldn't comment on your prowess in bed, without hearing what the putas say about you, LOL. It's just that your comment seems like a put down to the rest of the poor mongers.
I would imagine that, like me and you, a lot of these "clients" come away feeling like a sexual god.
All I know is that the reason most of us go to Sosua, with all our shortcomings, (no pun intended) is that beautiful women can make us feel that way, for a price..
And this is what I said :
Oakie. What something seems is not a reality. You quoted me, but did you take into account the key words I used? Here they are. "some of the men" and "enough of these chicas" Now when you read those words did that give you cause to believe I was talking about "the rest of the poor mongers"? I sure didn't get that when I wrote what I wrote. Thats quite a genetalization on your part. Considering I specifically said some of the men enough chicas have as clients. Some and enough don't add up to the rest of the poor mongers. Now either I'm correct as to who the information pertains to which in this case the numbers don't matter only that it is applicable at some point, or would you rather stick to what something seems instead of how I conveyed it?. Even if you want to focus on my words being a put down to whom it applies to, the fact remains I didn't specifically say what it was about some of those men. So exactly in your opinion how did I seem to put the rest of the mongers down?
Now, none of that has anything to do with any other poster at that point, because you were addressing the issue of sexual prowess, and making an assumption about a certain group of men and conjured up a distortion of what I said to have something to do with "the rest of the poor mongers". So when I called you on that, to explain how I was supposedly putting down the rest of the poor mongers, you knew you didn't have a defense or a viable explanation for that. And now you want to flip the script and make this personally about me having a pattern. Focusing in on some other exchange I had with another poster. Listen it's one thing to be devoid of enough reason and logic to defend or explain your POV, but it's another to be blatantly obvious about it and think nobody will notice.
Lets try this again. In regards to the original issue you were addressing, how is my comment about some men that enough chicas get with, put down the rest of the poor mongers? That don't have jack to with Frannie. Lets deal with that slip 1st.
More deflections Do not expect any real answers to your questions. That will not be forthcoming.
RR.I agree. But lets give him a chance. It's worth a try. : )
On my last three excursions to our beloved Sosua during the last seven months, I have been with at least 10 Haitians. All of them appeared to be fine specimens clothed, with beautiful figures, and the cutest, sweetest asses. However upon removal of their undergarments I noticed droopy, saggy tits on over half of them. I conducted an informal survey with others out on the Strip one afternoon while having beverages at the Puta Viewing Gallery Cafe opposite Rumbas and others told me they had observed the same thing. Apparently all of the Haitians with saggy tits had kids, but I hadn't noticed anything like this with the Dominican women. So do Haitian women while lactating feed other children as well causing the pronounced sagging? Is there some ritual performed in Haiti causing this condition on these womens poor breasts? As this is a formal survey now, what have you others observed?I think it's been about 3 Haitian chicas within the last 6 months. I have noticed small tits on these women, but not droopy. Also I noticed, which can be a turn off, is many of them have very rough looking hands and feet. The other thing is, enough Haitian chicas weaves look very unnatural on their heads. Whereas many dominican women with weaves, theirs tends to look more natural. Other than that, I haven't had that many Haitian chicas, so I can't speak on if saggy droopy tits is common with them.
The moment it is a credit card transaction, it can no longer be hidden from the taxman and so they will also have to charge the ITBIS which stands at 18%. Whether they would charge also the credit card fee (typically 3%) is likely a negotiable item. Finally most cards will charge a foreign exchange transaction fee. No wonder cash is king in the DR.I was actually trying to figure out ITBIS on my recent trip. So can you help clarify for me? I ate at Baileys and the German schnitzel place downtown and they both had the 18% ITBIS added to me bill before I declared how I was going to pay. I of course paid cash but paid the total including the ITBIS and left a tip. Did I over pay? Was I not required to pay the ITBIS since I paid cash? If you pay cash and ITBIS is it just like free money for the owner or server? I also ate at the la familia place and had no ITBIS on my bill. I was just starting to think it was a gringo or tourist tax.
The 18% surcharge is actually the ITBIS tax that all hotels and restaurants are supposed to charge. If you pay with a CC the transaction is now on the books and the 18% has to be forwarded to the government. So it is not a CC charge, more a penalty for not paying cash.
Oakie that's not the original issue you were responding to. This is what you said
.
And this is what I said :
Now, none of that has anything to do with any other poster at that point, because you were addressing the issue of sexual prowess, and making an assumption about a certain group of men and conjured up a distortion of what I said to have something to do with "the rest of the poor mongers". So when I called you on that, to explain how I was supposedly putting down the rest of the poor mongers, you knew you didn't have a defense or a viable explanation for that. And now you want to flip the script and make this personally about me having a pattern. Focusing in on some other exchange I had with another poster. Listen it's one thing to be devoid of enough reason and logic to defend or explain your POV, but it's another to be blatantly obvious about it and think nobody will notice.
Lets try this again. In regards to the original issue you were addressing, how is my comment about some men that enough chicas get with, put down the rest of the poor mongers? That don't have jack to with Frannie. Lets deal with that slip 1st.Stick to the facts, please.
The comments I was responding to were:
1. "But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about".
2. "You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation".
I stand by my opinion that:
Those comments are disparaging of mongers in Sosua and on this board, and those two derisive and dismissive comments on one page indicate a pattern.
Tempoecorto
06-28-14, 13:15
Stick to the facts, please.
The comments I was responding to were:
1. "But then what I've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, I don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about".
2. "You should stay out of intelligent folks conversation".
I stand by my opinion that:
Those comments are disparaging of mongers in Sosua and on this board, and those two derisive and dismissive comments on one page indicate a pattern.I wish the admin would clip the useless mails of wrx. It is just argumentative snarls. Only to have the last say without adding anything valuable.
stick to the facts, please.
the comments i was responding to were:
1. "but then what i've seen some of the men enough of these chicas have as clients, i don't think anybody has anything to be concerned about".
2. "you should stay out of intelligent folks conversation".
i stand by my opinion that:
those comments are disparaging of mongers in sosua and on this board, and those two derisive and dismissive comments on one page indicate a pattern.get your facts straight please!. you werent responding to "you should stay out of intelligent folks conversation". you only brought that up a couple of posts ago, after i called you on your blunder in assuming i said something about the rest of the poor mongers. nobody can read your mind or think in your head to know you were responding to something else without 1st telling a person you were also responding to another post.
this is what i said. because you implied something in regards to your own shortcomings in regards satisfying women.
i do see your point as it applies in your regard. are you implying you have never got off any of the hookers / women you've fucked in the dr? all your hookers / women were faking ("aye yi yi papi")? if so, i think this is a case of ymmd amigo. i surely experienced enough chicas that got off, as opposed to the women that were faking or over exaggerating. the "dame su leche, aye papi" crew. hooker or not, imo a chicas profession in bed doesn't mean they have an inability to come. a lot can depend on chemistry between both parties, and the timing of the encounter. try catching a semi pro or non pro who hasnt had sex in awhile. ymmd.so again, none of that still had anything to do with frannie or any other poster. so again, how does some men that enough chicas get with, turn into a generalization of the rest of the poor monger? you keep trying to get away from that blunder.
i'm a let you in on a little something. i actually know how your problem started here. because before this exchange, i never heard a peep out of you, and we never had a problem before. in fact weve had regular exchanges and contributions. so what happened oakie?
1) recently, you read an exchange between me and surfer expressing positive results enjoying chicas.
2) you come into the exchange on the defensive / offensive because you personally felt slighted, and assumed this was about mongers in general. which included you. moreover, you felt the need to downplay your own sexual prowess to seem sincere, since you felt slighted. so far you werent looking very good at this point. thats why i asked for feedback in the quote above. i'm sure that would be problematic for you, because if you answered, that might open you up more to looking like you can't do jack with any of these women in the bedroom. not my intention, but i fully understand / understood why you avoided answering those specific and direct questions. and i understand your current protest.
when you can please show or provide evidence of any damage caused or will be caused by what you consider derisive or disparaging comments as it pertains to mongers in sosua or on this board, then i can give it some consideration. until then, since i know that won't happen, the only problem now is what is going on in your own head, not mine. so your contrived opinion although your right, it is not important in the grand scheme of things here or elsewhere. especially in my regard. for real? whats you having an opinion going to do? not a daggone thing. i'd be more surprised if you didn't have an opinion.
get your facts straight please!. you werent responding to "you should stay out of intelligent folks conversation". you only brought that up a couple of posts ago, after i called you on your blunder in assuming i said something about the rest of the poor mongers. nobody can read your mind or think in your head to know you were responding to something else without 1st telling a person you were also responding to another post.
this is what i said. because you implied something in regards to your own shortcomings in regards satisfying women.
so again, none of that still had anything to do with frannie or any other poster. so again, how does some men that enough chicas get with, turn into a generalization of the rest of the poor monger? you keep trying to get away from that blunder.
i'm a let you in on a little something. i actually know how your problem started here. because before this exchange, i never heard a peep out of you, and we never had a problem before. in fact weve had regular exchanges and contributions. so what happened oakie?
1) recently, you read an exchange between me and surfer expressing positive results enjoying chicas.
2) you come into the exchange on the defensive / offensive because you personally felt slighted, and assumed this was about mongers in general. which included you. moreover, you felt the need to downplay your own sexual prowess to seem sincere, since you felt slighted. so far you werent looking very good at this point. thats why i asked for feedback in the quote above. i'm sure that would be problematic for you, because if you answered, that might open you up more to looking like you can't do jack with any of these women in the bedroom. not my intention, but i fully understand / understood why you avoided answering those specific and direct questions. and i understand your current protest.
when you can please show or provide evidence of any damage caused or will be caused by what you consider derisive or disparaging comments as it pertains to mongers in sosua or on this board, then i can give it some consideration. until then, since i know that won't happen, the only problem now is what is going on in your own head, not mine. so your contrived opinion although your right, it is not important in the grand scheme of things here or elsewhere. especially in my regard. for real? whats you having an opinion going to do? not a daggone thing. i'd be more surprised if you didn't have an opinion.thank for the psychoanalysis, professor.
but, again, get your facts straight, i was here at least 5 years ago (check "reports of distinction".
now i wish you happy mongering.
(for the record it should be noted that my comments are restricted to statements you have made and my opinions on same. nothing personal.
i, on the other hand have been accused by you of lacking the judgement to understand other people, and making things up. very personal.).
but hey, i can accept it. i've been around a while. taught english too, so excuse me for not wasting time parsing long, drawn out, self serving posts, for "key words".
lol.
Took my DC chica from Santiago to Cabarete for lunch. Hung out there until about 7 pm. Spent the night watching TV, and hitting the sheets. It's unfortunate I couldn't connect with my other new friend (the security guards daughter). She had been sending whatsapp messages all day and the previous day about being together before I go. But I wasnt in a position to do anything about it.
Morning comes and were still whatsapping each other. Take my DC chica to catch the bus back to Santiago, and now I'm free. Still can't hookup with the other chica because she already went to work. I really would have loved to spend some time with her before I left. She was a very sweet and sensuous young lady too. Drove around the strip looking for guys I know to say adios to. Then I spotted an old regular, I haven't kicked it with in a while. Decided I'd take her back to my spot for a last minute quickie before heading to the airport.
Once in the car she quickly reminded me of why I sought other chicas over her. Started complaining about some problem, then her being hungry, then money for a moto, then pulling out some paper with Hispaniola on it. Anything to try to get more than we agreed to. I wasnt listening to any of that. I just kept repeating 1000 pesos, that's it. If you have a problem with it, we can cancel right here. That eventually stopped that nonsense. We did our thing, gave her a little extra anyway, she took off, I showered and headed to the airport.
Great vacation.
Oh yeah, forgot another comical detail. I went to the playa to get food for me and the DC chica. And saw a newbie guy I met sitting with the owner of the restaurant where my playa regular works. My regular claimed she was unemployed just a couple of days ago. Trying to get me to part with my money feeling sorry for her. Now here she is working and sitting with a couple of guys having drinks at the restaurant. She got up to leave for a brief moment, and me and the guys exchanged a few words. They saw her come over to hug me earlier before I sat down to talk to the guy. They probably wondered who I was. She was enjoying all of the food and drink they were buying her. They knew exactly what she was about because one of them was apparently dealing with her and hitting it on the regular. I said just be careful, and don't believe anything she says. They said, they already know what to expect. They've been aware of her transparent bullshit games for awhile. Thats cool. Mongers sharing intel and keeping things in perspective.
Thank for the psychoanalysis, professor.
But, again, get your facts straight, I was here at least 5 years ago (check "Reports of Distinction".
Now I wish you happy mongering.
(For the record it should be noted that my comments are restricted to statements you have made and my opinions on same. Nothing personal.
I, on the other hand have been accused by you of lacking the judgement to understand other people, and making things up. Very personal.).
But hey, I can accept it. I've been around a while. Taught English too, so excuse me for not wasting time parsing long, drawn out, self serving posts, for "key words".
LOL.I'm fully aware of you being here a while back. I remember when you came back on the scene. Once again getting defensive and focusing on the wrong thing. Your defensiveness, it's chronic with you. That don't have jack to do with your presence and representation that I'm talking about today. I am addressing your current blunder as it pertains to your professed inadequacies, and trying to make it my problem. I got the chronology down precisely.
No problem! You hold that position. It's what I expected. Give them no where to go, and they go no where. But into insignificant oblivion. Your welcome btw. : )
Charles Pooter
06-28-14, 16:41
Also I noticed, which can be a turn off, is many of them have very rough looking hands and feet. Funny you should write that. In my early years here I used to visit Sosua a lot with the Godfather of Mongering. When "interviewing" a chica, normally haitianas, he would check out their hands. If they had soft, well-kept, hands he would reject them because it meant they earned their living on their backs. Those with rough hands were doing "real" work for a living and were therefore more likely to be appreciative of anything you gave them and honest (or, at least, less acquainted with the underworld of pimps, dealers, and cops).
Rough feet of course come from walking barefoot in the Haitian countryside.
Manizales911
06-28-14, 17:09
Funny you should write that. In my early years here I used to visit Sosua a lot with the Godfather of Mongering. When "interviewing" a chica, normally haitianas, he would check out their hands. If they had soft, well-kept, hands he would reject them because it meant they earned their living on their backs. Those with rough hands were doing "real" work for a living and were therefore more likely to be appreciative of anything you gave them and honest (or, at least, less acquainted with the underworld of pimps, dealers, and cops).
Rough feet of course come from walking barefoot in the Haitian countryside.Same holds true with Dominicans.
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