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[QUOTE=Jackie,
What's his point of throwing and stepping on hundreds green $ on the floor, buying bottles nobody drinks from and spreading out cheap snacks nobody eats?
He wants to attract attention for everyone to think all those items are not valuables, just trash to him, that he has a lot more.
People in the club would just avoid and ignore this retarded low life, not getting near him to give him the attention he craves with his stupid, phony, low-brow theatrics.
About the Armenian dude, I wonder how he feels if we mongers start to hang out his area and eat his food and drink his booze. Seriously I am thinking of just eating some food off of his table and flirt with the chicas in his booth. / QUOTE].
Captain I agree with you, we mongers ought to just help ourselves to his booze and food, not like he has been missing any meals lately LOL!
"I wonder how he feels if we mongers start to hang out his area and eat his food and drink his booze. ".
Big phat Ass is like the private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. Everybody wants to beat the shit out of him he is such a phuck up. In addition to eating his food, when he resists have a couple other bros and / or paid meseros kidney punch the phuck out of him. Or could follow him up to his room and sling pillow cases full of hard soap bars on his phat lard ass like they did Pyle LOL.I don't care about this guy, but one evening he was surrounded by 5 or 6 very well-built guys looking like his bodyguards. And they were all drinking and groping chicas at the table. If he is alone at the table, I think the bodyguards can observe him from a distance.
Captain Solo
05-22-22, 18:46
Hadez,
HK was packed by 7 PM, worse later on, difficult to move around, all tables reserved for $500 min, no seats avail. I was looking for you in an orange Tshirt / pants, but it was impossible.
I sat at a table in Chavelas, drinking with the bros, waiting for a bro to get his table on the balcony. He showed up and bought a $500 don Julio 1942. Couple of us was taking shots from that bottle, the mesero too. 6 girls crowded the table, perching over the rail looking down the stage. I was afraid the whole thing might collapse.
The mesero brought over a nice, clean, very beautiful young girl, new to the biz. I thought the bro knew her her so I stayed off, but he took another skinny girl upstairs. I came back but the beautiful girl was gone.
Overall this VIP Chicas of the Year is stupid and a waste of time and money for me. It may bring in lots of locals spending $500+ per table to watch their old, fat, ugly chicas strutting on stage, but I had no interests in those old chicas so it was useless for me. There were lots of new hot young girls, so it may be worth it for some guys, if they can yank them away from staring on the stage.
HK keeps raising the stake and they are still packing the club. Enjoy it while you can but need to develop alternative contacts for hot girls.
Captain Solo
05-22-22, 19:00
StRobert,
AFAIK the few guys hanging out with him one night were regulars in HK. I have never seen him with bodyguards.
A top cartel guy was sitting at the bar by himself watching the strip show, no bodyguards. He did not buy a single drink, fichas or lap dances, smoke or eat. Nobody approached him to sell anything he was just sitting there, watching the strip show intently, not moving, speaking, tipping, groping girls or scanning the club.
Throwing money around ostentatiously Fat Amernian's way does not fit the profile of legit people. If he keeps showing off and flaunting his money, he's making himself a soft target. Bros with local contacts may be able to find out what he is, but it's better and safer just to avoid him and not participate in his low-brow theatrics.
I don't care about this guy, but one evening he was surrounded by 5 or 6 very well-built guys looking like his bodyguards. And they were all drinking and groping chicas at the table. If he is alone at the table, I think the bodyguards can observe him from a distance.
I don't care about this guy, but one evening he was surrounded by 5 or 6 very well-built guys looking like his bodyguards. And they were all drinking and groping chicas at the table. If he is alone at the table, I think the bodyguards can observe him from a distance.
I don't care about this guy, but one evening he was surrounded by 5 or 6 very well-built guys looking like his bodyguards. And they were all drinking and groping chicas at the table. If he is alone at the table, I think the bodyguards can observe him from a distance.What is annoying is that HK fails to make any effort to sweep his dollars on the ground to his own area. And so I have to tipsy toe my ass around his trash when I go through the area. Next time, I'm going to walk all over piss. Then walk through the dollars on the ground and oops, too bad the wet soles of my shoes are picking up dollar bills as I stroll by. At least I didn't step on shit and walk all over his money.
What is annoying is that HK fails to make any effort to sweep his dollars on the ground to his own area. And so I have to tipsy toe my ass around his trash when I go through the area. Next time, I'm going to walk all over piss. Then walk through the dollars on the ground and oops, too bad the wet soles of my shoes are picking up dollar bills as I stroll by. At least I didn't step on shit and walk all over his money.When this guy arrived in HK he like literally never left. I showed up in Thanksgiving to California and would go to hk for 45 minutes 3 nights week saw him every time. I think he is addicted to it. He needs intervention. He spends so much money, in hk, I would estimate he spends what 40 guys spend per night. So HK won't stop him. Watching the other girls not in his group, try and steal some dollars, floating around the floor, and watching meseros also try and steal his dollars, and having them fall in my face, and making sure I don't touch them so I don't get booted by eyes in the sky security, its a depressing thing to see from every angle. Hk as recently as 5 years ago was this brothel strip club that poor Americans could go to and feel appreciated for their travel to the most dangerous city in the world. A dollar had value back then. This guy, and Asian countries closing down, and the usa government printing billions for covid loans for business owners, and fake business owners, caused inflation and made hk twice as expensive as 5 years ago.
Thinking of heading to HK sometime next week or two. Got a few questions for the bros:
1. Once you cross over to San Ysidro, is any taxi right after you cross 'safe'? Or is it better to call an Uber?
2. Leaving the next day, same question, are the taxis outside HK club safe? Planning to leave mid-day. Do I just tell them to take me to San Ysidro border? I hear of a west and east pedestrian xing. Also, am I safe in assuming relatively short line late morning / early afternoon? Thanks in advance.
Thinking of heading to HK sometime next week or two. Got a few questions for the bros:
1. Once you cross over to San Ysidro, is any taxi right after you cross 'safe'? Or is it better to call an Uber?
2. Leaving the next day, same question, are the taxis outside HK club safe? Planning to leave mid-day. Do I just tell them to take me to San Ysidro border? I hear of a west and east pedestrian xing. Also, am I safe in assuming relatively short line late morning / early afternoon? Thanks in advance.The Taxis at the crossing and the ones outside of HK are perfectly safe. The guys that post up to pick up fares outside of HK have to pay HK to be there, so don't be an asshole and tip the driver. When you get in a taxi at the border tell them you're going to Hong Kong, and when you're heading home tell them to take you to whatever border crossing is available to you. You can check what the lines look like on the CBP website. https://bwt.cbp.gov/ Late night is probably best, but it's honestly a bit of a crapshoot.
The Taxis at the crossing and the ones outside of HK are perfectly safe. The guys that post up to pick up fares outside of HK have to pay HK to be there, so don't be an asshole and tip the driver. When you get in a taxi at the border tell them you're going to Hong Kong, and when you're heading home tell them to take you to whatever border crossing is available to you. You can check what the lines look like on the CBP website. https://bwt.cbp.gov/ Late night is probably best, but it's honestly a bit of a crapshoot.- Thanks. Looks like the only available option is San Ysidro as it shows Ped West as Closed for quite a few days now. And CBX is only if you're coming in by plane. Just curious, when they ask my reason for travel, do I just say clubbing overnight? Do they sometimes ask more questions?
Captain Solo
05-23-22, 03:47
Rawrbomb.
Cabbies can smell noobs a mile away. Some can be very nasty and may try too gouge you or other nastier shit.
Book Uber, wait a few minutes. Car is cleaner and you will be safer and pay less.
5 bros packed into an Uber from HK to 260 Korean bbq one afternoon. It was hilarious.
Only PedEast is open. Book Uber for PedEast. Weekday after 9 line would be short.
BrotherMouzone
05-23-22, 04:54
Thinking of heading to HK sometime next week or two. Got a few questions for the bros:
1. Once you cross over to San Ysidro, is any taxi right after you cross 'safe'? Or is it better to call an Uber?
2. Leaving the next day, same question, are the taxis outside HK club safe? Planning to leave mid-day. Do I just tell them to take me to San Ysidro border? I hear of a west and east pedestrian xing. Also, am I safe in assuming relatively short line late morning / early afternoon? Thanks in advance.Assuming you're staying at Cascadas that night. On your return trip to the border don't take a taxi. Just take the free van HK offers back to the border and tip the driver $2-3. Even if you're not staying at Cascadas usually if you ask the staff outside they'll just give you a free ride back to the border (though again, they'll be assuming you tip a bit).
I'm in Hong Kong right now. The A team is in the house tonight folks.
Oh god the fat bastard is back. At least he's not throwing money around everywhere. Hadn't seen him in a while. He has this poor girl cornered talking in her ear.
ABAJoeSmith123
05-23-22, 06:50
Oh god the fat bastard is back. At least he's not throwing money around everywhere. Hadn't seen him in a while. He has this poor girl cornered talking in her ear.I wonder if that fat Armenian ever goes arriba. I can't imagine any chica is not disgusted by the prospect of getting fucked by a man as fat as this fucker. Feel sorry for any chica that does agree to go arriba with him.
Bunter Hiden
05-23-22, 08:16
Hadez,
HK was packed by 7 PM, worse later on, difficult to move around, all tables reserved for $500 min, no seats avail. I was looking for you in an orange Tshirt / pants, but it was impossible.
I sat at a table in Chavelas, drinking with the bros, waiting for a bro to get his table on the balcony. He showed up and bought a $500 don Julio 1942. Couple of us was taking shots from that bottle, the mesero too. 6 girls crowded the table, perching over the rail looking down the stage. I was afraid the whole thing might collapse.
The mesero brought over a nice, clean, very beautiful young girl, new to the biz. I thought the bro knew her her so I stayed off, but he took another skinny girl upstairs. I came back but the beautiful girl was gone.
Overall this VIP Chicas of the Year is stupid and a waste of time and money for me. It may bring in lots of locals spending $500+ per table to watch their old, fat, ugly chicas strutting on stage, but I had no interests in those old chicas so it was useless for me. There were lots of new hot young girls, so it may be worth it for some guys, if they can yank them away from staring on the stage.
HK keeps raising the stake and they are still packing the club. Enjoy it while you can but need to develop alternative contacts for hot girls.I think I passed by you a few times but didn't stop. They had traffic control keeping everyone moving in a race track up one side then out through Chev then back around. And then the long run stage for parading on. I didn't much like the Halloween party either. We bailed.
And went to Trop and partied w some fun locals then Azulejo for tacos. Will avoid events like this. Give me a solid late Thursday afternoon any time over Chick of the Year BS.
This save a ho discussion seems to always come up on this board after enough time has passed. When I was in Brazil, one of the girls in the terma met a guy there and he took her back to America to marry her. He thought he was going to save her. I asked her why she was back. Well, they divorced "shocking" and he gave her a certain settlement and she moved back to Brazil and bought a house. Guess what, She went right back to what she knew best. Being a ho. They can't change. Just like we can't change. Once you participate for a extended length of time as a John or a prostitute it's almost impossible to leave it for good. How could I ever sleep with a 50 year old women, now that I'm 50, when I know I can go to any Latin American country and bang a 18 year old within a day for 100.00.
I'm in Hong Kong right now. The A team is in the house tonight folks.Can confirm lots of Chicas, most just standing around too.
LuvMexicanas
05-23-22, 15:28
I wonder if that fat Armenian ever goes arriba. I can't imagine any chica is not disgusted by the prospect of getting fucked by a man as fat as this fucker. Feel sorry for any chica that does agree to go arriba with him.It overcomes disgusting very fast.
How could I ever sleep with a 50 year old women, now that I'm 50, when I know I can go to any Latin American country and bang a 18 year old within a day for 100.00.That would be like waking up in bed with your wingman!
I wonder if that fat Armenian ever goes arriba. I can't imagine any chica is not disgusted by the prospect of getting fucked by a man as fat as this fucker. Feel sorry for any chica that does agree to go arriba with him.The crazy thing is that for as much money as he spends in the club, I have never seen him take a girl upstairs. Just a lot of money flushed down the toilet in my opinion.
Can confirm lots of Chicas, most just standing around too.Yeah man, seemed like more chicks than guys to me at a certain point. Lots of nice options. I mostly limit myself to 1 girl per night so I decided to grab a girl from Adelitas since I have been on a hot streak over there and they have been getting new girls in. Got a great session from this beautiful girl named Tania. Says she just quit being a kindergarten teacher because she was only making $90 per week in Tijuana working full time.
Captain Solo
05-24-22, 00:03
Hunter,
I was in Chavelas, then on HK's balcony, then leaning on the rail next to the runway. You should have stopped and bumped fists.
Wingman and I left HK, went to Tropical, Chicago and Adelita checking on talents but did not find any, so we went back in HK. I also don't like the Halloween party when girls dress up in their stupid costumes covering all assets of interests, one even donned a full-flowing nun costume in black with the big hat, looking ridiculous. Club Fiebre in Bogota had a girl wearing a nun costume spread eagle on stage, masturbating vigorously with a cross. Too damn kinky for my taste.
But otherwise HK has the sweetest-looking young girls to flirt with and to ravish in bed and the most fun to hang out in. I don't want to waste even 5 minutes of my life looking at old, fat, ugly women hehe.
I wonder if that fat Armenian ever goes arriba. I can't imagine any chica is not disgusted by the prospect of getting fucked by a man as fat as this fucker. Feel sorry for any chica that does agree to go arriba with him.Looks like this dude is giving fat dudes a bad name. That sucks. I have never seen this dude go arriba. I am staring to wonder whether the dude is a HK employee, planted there to show off the mongers to encourage tipping.
Captain Solo
05-24-22, 18:55
I never saw this big fat dude go with girls to the hotel.
I also suspect he works for HK, setting up this stupid shit show to drive green rains.
It's not a good move for him to way overspend and make the rest of clients look like cheap skates.
Need everyone to be aware of a chica by the name of Renata working in HK Club. She said she's from Guadalajara. Medium build Brunette with a slight hunchback. She walks around with a curly hair blonde. First off, I have been going to HK for many many years, always a great time there. Granted some chicas are dead fish and know no other techniques but lay there, but at least service was rendered. With Renata, it was like a really bad dream. Here's what happened: On Sunday night I got there around 9:30 PM. Had a couple beers, walked around, and spotted Renata. I went up and strike up a conversation. She claimed she didn't speak English, and immediately pulled out her phone translator. So I typed in how much for going to hotel. She replied, in English, 150. At this point I should have just walked away. Mistake #1. Instead I tried to negotiate, so I typed on her phone, the usual rate is 100. She hesitated for a few seconds, and agreed. So up to the hotel room we went. I undressed, took a quick rinse, ready for action. She took off her rope, asked for money up front. Mistake #2, I handed over the Benjamin to her without hesitation. Things started to go south from here on out, she started to make small talks, asking about what music I'd like to listen to, where I was from, etc. Etc. All the while just standing there still with her bra and panty on. After about 10 minutes of BS-ing, she asked if I wanted a massage. I was like, hmm that's unusual, don't all HK chicas want to get their clients off ASAP so they can go back to the club and hustle more? But I obliged, a half-ass massage ensued. At this time I finally realized she has no interests in fucking me. I turned around and said let's go. She was not happy, and started giving me attitudes. She handed me the condom and motioned me to put it on myself. WTF! Whatever, I put it on, and literally pulled her head over to suck my dick. She "kissed" my dick for like two seconds. Then said I needed to get a new condom if I wanted to fuck. I was shouting at her at this point, ok you go get a new one! She relented, got on all fours. I got into action, finally. But the nightmare isn't over. She started to pull back every time I thrust in, kept saying baby slow. I was pissed, so I just held her tight made sure she didn't move. Right after I came, her phone went off. She quickly pushed me off, and said, 30 minutes is up. Mind you nobody came knock on the door, she set that alarm by herself. Boy I was glad I crossed the finish line before her alarm went off, otherwise I would have to take some drastic measures and may end up in a Mexican jail. Anyway, I just want to share my story with the board, hopefully you will learn some lessons from this encounter. If a chica wants $150, just don't bother. She probably doesn't want to fuck you. If a chica wants money up front, give her half and tell her the other half at the end. And please, if you have a chica that wants to talk your ears off in the room, be mindful that the clock is ticking. As far as I know, if you are scammed, there's nothing anyone could do, not the hotel, not HK club, no one. Good luck and have a good time. Be safe.
Need everyone to be aware of a chica by the name of Renata working in HK Club. She said she's from Guadalajara. Medium build Brunette with a slight hunchback. She walks around with a curly hair blonde. First off, I have been going to HK for many many years, always a great time there. Granted some chicas are dead fish and know no other techniques but lay there, but at least service was rendered. With Renata, it was like a really bad dream. Here's what happened: On Sunday night I got there around 9:30 PM. Had a couple beers, walked around, and spotted Renata. I went up and strike up a conversation. She claimed she didn't speak English, and immediately pulled out her phone translator. So I typed in how much for going to hotel. She replied, in English, 150. At this point I should have just walked away. Mistake #1. Instead I tried to negotiate, so I typed on her phone, the usual rate is 100. She hesitated for a few seconds, and agreed. So up to the hotel room we went. I undressed, took a quick rinse, ready for action. She took off her rope, asked for money up front. Mistake #2, I handed over the Benjamin to her without hesitation. Things started to go south from here on out, she started to make small talks, asking about what music I'd like to listen to, where I was from, etc. Etc. All the while just standing there still with her bra and panty on. After about 10 minutes of BS-ing, she asked if I wanted a massage. I was like, hmm that's unusual, don't all HK chicas want to get their clients off ASAP so they can go back to the club and hustle more? But I obliged, a half-ass massage ensued. At this time I finally realized she has no interests in fucking me. I turned around and said let's go. She was not happy, and started giving me attitudes. She handed me the condom and motioned me to put it on myself. WTF! Whatever, I put it on, and literally pulled her head over to suck my dick. She "kissed" my dick for like two seconds. Then said I needed to get a new condom if I wanted to fuck. I was shouting at her at this point, ok you go get a new one! She relented, got on all fours. I got into action, finally. But the nightmare isn't over. She started to pull back every time I thrust in, kept saying baby slow. I was pissed, so I just held her tight made sure she didn't move. Right after I came, her phone went off. She quickly pushed me off, and said, 30 minutes is up. Mind you nobody came knock on the door, she set that alarm by herself.Dude, that was brutal. But you were warned when she said 150.
Sorry to hear about your bad session, Paxsie. I had a similar situation happen to me with a different girl in HK. I wrote about it on here. After about 5 or 10 minutes of a bitchy attitude I called for one of the guys who clean the rooms and asked them to get someone in charge because the girl wasn't giving good service. It was a whole deal, I kept it respectful with the staff and they more so believed my side of the story, as they also heard her side which was completely made up. In the end I agreed to let her keep $50 and the manager returned the rest to me, if I recall correctly because she did give me head a little bit and I got her in doggy for a couple minutes before I got tired of her attitude and got up. Also, they took my name down and comped me on my next room fee.
HK has the best looking girls but in my opinion you get your best bang for your buck at the other clubs, if you can find a female to your liking. My last 5 sessions at adelitas have all been home runs, 10/10 service. If you go late at night they have a good selection of newer females. During the daytime, not so much. Best of all, they dont automatically quote you 100 or something ridiculous like 150. On average I have been quoted 80, 100 max. But even the ones that ask for 100 are open to listen to a counter offer. In HK I tend to stick to girls I have already vetted myself or from recommendations from my fellow mongers. It's too risky to go upstairs with a brand new pick in HK, unless you don't value your money.
Been reading about HK for a while now and finally decided to go. Went across and got an Uber and got there around 6:30 pm. Bought the VIP card and then checked into 9th floor suite. Pretty nice room for a decent rate with the discount, no way it's worth full price. Went across to Oxxo and picked up a bottle of tequila and 12-pack of beer. Came back across the street and one of the bellman saw my fumbling with the cans falling and offered to help me bring it to my room. In hindsight, a mistake was telling him this was my first time in HK as you'll see why later.
Went down and did a few laps, of the place. Place was popping for 8 pm on a weeknight. Lotsa ladies, most just sitting around or standing and being on their phones. Got a few drinks and was just chilling in the quiet bar at the back when a mesero comes by and sits a blonde next to me and asks if I want to buy her a drink. Did a quick scan and yeah, she's my type. Introduced herself as Navie (or something like that) and I spend some time talking to her while she's sipping on her beer. I got lost in time but it feels like she finished her beer in about 15 minutes and mesero comes by asking for another. I told her 'no, I'd rather just go up and not get another drink'. A mistake in hindsight. She quoted $100 and I countered and we eventually agreed to $100 for a full hour. I brought over edibles and already took 4 of them already. She said she smoked MJ so she was open to taking one of the edibles. Looking back, this is where I started to fuck up my night. Since I wanted to just take it slow and chill, I ask her if she'd be willing to make it 2 hours in the room for an extra $50. I think we ended up agreeing on $240 for 2.5 hours as I didn't think that I'd be heading down again. She asks for cash up front, and I tell her I'll give her half now, half when we're done. Looking back now, I could see she was procrastinating slightly and taking her time and I knew why a bit later. Soon after, a knock came on the door and it was 2 meseros saying I needed to buy beer or else the girl has to go back down. His English was very broken, so he radios in to who I assume is the floor supervisor / manager. He shows up and sure enough, its the same guy who walked me to my room earlier that night. Says I have to buy a buck of 10 beers in order for her to stay the extra hour. I told them I don't have enough cash to buy beer as I negotiated the 2 hours with her and I had no idea the room required a $200 deposit. So they tell me I can go down and pay by card. The knock alone was a major buzzkill, and heading down to pay for the beers, yeah, that didn't help. So he tells me that the bucket is good for another hour and then she got to go back down to work. Pretty bullshit if you ask me, what the hell is the point in getting a room. I was also pretty buzzed but realized they overcharged me for $3000 pesos, so not the $100 for the bucket he said (probably would have been $100 with cash). Either way, get back to the room, and start fooling around more and she starts to give CBJ. Don't know if it was the tons of booze with the edibles and the buzzkill interruption but couldn't get junior going. Little over an hour later, another knock but just once so I ignored it pretending I couldn't hear it and it stops. About 10 minutes later, more heavy knocking. Open the door and its 3 meseros and the floor manager, says that she got to go back down to work and that if I want her longer in the room, had to pay for another 10 beers, or for the rest of the night, it'd be 30 beers. I'm like, dude, I can't even drink anymore and I didn't even want to buy the original bucket. So decided to call it the end of the night as there was no way I was going to buy more booze. On her way out, she gets my phone # and it wasn't until I came back to the US where I see that she had sent a message last night in Spanish. Translated and it was basically her mentioning that she had to pay the bar $100 as a penalty. I'm assuming this was another ploy to squeeze more money. By the time she left, she had stayed for about 2. 5-3 hours and I paid her $240 total and what looks to be about $155 for the bucket for 0 pops.
Needless to say, pretty disappointed about the trip, maybe I overhyped it in my head after reading about it here and elsewhere. Looking back, here are some things I should have done differently: not tell anyone that it's my first trip (guess that pretty much opens you up to get gouged). Negotiating with her for just an hour (if they're going to knock after an hour to make you buy booze, what the point is there to negotiate extra time? Might bring over my vape pen next time. As far as the girl is concerned, I should have let her go after she downed her drink relatively quickly or after the first knock (when she already had $150 from me, but probably better to cut losses).
In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.
When business at the gambling tables is slow, the Vegas casinos hire dudes to pretend to play (using the casinos money) to encourage others to follow their example. Maybe this guy is a shill paid to try to loosen up the stingy types to tip more? If it makes the dancers happier, why not? I'm all for encouraging more dancers to visit the club.
I never saw this big fat dude go with girls to the hotel.
I also suspect he works for HK, setting up this stupid shit show to drive green rains.
It's not a good move for him to way overspend and make the rest of clients look like cheap skates.
I'm going to take a different view of this interaction than yourself and others. Now remember I'm just going off what was written so I'm not judging you as a person only how I might act if I was this girl.
First off if you visit Tijuana or any place for that matter you would be smart to be able to learn some basic phrases in that language. So in your case I'm surprised that with your many visits you haven't picked up on some of the language. I know many of you get lazy just using the translator on your phone but most girls I talk to don't like it and to me it makes it more of a business transaction and your chance of good service goes down. Second observation is to make you and her learn more about each other is to buy a drink or 2 with the girl just to see what she is about. This also lets the girl relax and get to know you better and that she can be safe with you. These girls only have a short time to get a feeling of trust with a guy. So up in the room if she asks for money first from you I wouldn't take it as such a negative. Again had you bought a few drinks she would have seen the cash you have and maybe not ask for it.
Now with her talking to you and not being aggressive may again just be her trying to get comfortable with you or make you relax since you might of been giving off a bad vibe, so when you started to get aggressive with her by forcing her to blow you I'd imagine she was a little scared and nervous on what was going to happen. I think some guys assume that because we pay for sex we can treat these girls poorly or they need to do whatever we want but you are just paying for sex not BDSM unless you both discuss that. Now her telling you that you need a new condom was a bad move on her part and I agree that this would make me think that she was just a shark. Just for others that read this I would suggest having a couple of condoms in your pocket if something like this happens. So now with you yelling at her she might of just been scared and gave in knowing that time was almost up, and the knock doesn't always come in the 30 minutes so that's why she had the timer on but from your report it was hard to know how long the time you had been in the room together. So like you said good thing you finished and got what you paid for. Had you not finished I would never get so upset to do something stupid that would land you in jail or get your ass beat for harming a working girl. I mean really is $100 worth that? And no from the story you wrote here HK would of taken her side also.
Captain Solo
05-25-22, 05:41
I was in HK early. Lots of hot girls came in to work abut 7 to 8, but by 10 almost all hot ones had been taken and did not come back. There were still a few hot girls. Why take one with a hunchback?
One reason why some girls don't like to fuck guys is because they are hard-core lesbians. They are actually macho men with pussies, disgusted of men and cannot bear being fucked by men.
A few hot HK girls confirmed with me they are lesbians and like girls. They would still fuck guys for money, but are cold and awkward in bed. It helps to buy girls fichas, squeeze, grope and feel them out. If they pull away from being touched and groped, they don't like you and will not give hot, loving sessions in bed.
I found my post on that bad session I had in HK this past December. I actually only let her keep $40, not $50, haha.
Here it is:
Stay away from a girl named Lola if you run across her in the club. She's typically not my type, big fake boobs and ass but she was being very friendly and affectionate downstairs, DFK, the whole 9 yards, so I figured why not throw some business her way. This was last Thursday. As soon as we got in the room her attitude completely changed and wanted to be strictly business. After several minutes of her just laying there not really doing anything I got up and called for management. Super long story short I agreed to let her keep 40 and 40 was returned to me as 80 was the agreed price. I didn't really feel like arguing for a full refund because she did blow me and I got to bang her for a few minutes. Plus management was being cool about the situation, hearing me out and not believing everything she was saying and offered me no charge for my room on my next session. Moral of the story, if you get a girl who is giving you the starfish treatment and makes you feel like you're being ripped off, speak up.
In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.Bro, I think you just need some in person guidance from one of us on here. Let us know which day you're going back. I'm sure one of us will be there.
Captain Solo
05-25-22, 12:06
Travv.
Normally HK strippers would collect their tips at the stage at the end of their routines and kick back about 25% to the stage handlers.
Fat Dude's rains on stage and on floor are collected by the handlers. He rains regularly but but I never saw the money given to any girl, so his tip money looks like HK's play money, not real. How would the girls divide out the money he rains on the floor? Never saw any girl receive that money.
HK has been trying different ways to transform itself into a high-class joint with higher revenue and profit. The DJ keeps pleading "Tip the ladies, tip the ladies." Looks like HK is using a fat shill with play money to push mongers to tip big. HK sold all 80 tables at $500 each for the Chica of the Year party last week, so the days of cheap sex, cheap booze and cheap entertainment in HK are numbered. Soon the average mongers will be hanging out at Bar Gloria groping old, shriveled women hehe.
Ran into a couple guys from Las Vegas arriving with big luggage to stay in hotel Cascada a couple nights. They think HK is way too cheap and a very good deal compared to Vegas. Soon HK will be charging Vegas prices.
Bro, I think you just need some in person guidance from one of us on here. Let us know which day you're going back. I'm sure one of us will be there.I agree most of these HK woman wouldn't last 2 days at a American strip club, with the need to do lap dances socialize with guys, walk up to them etc. When I was 21 99% of the woman in nyc strip club ignored me for the 10 dollar lap dances. It wasn't till I got older I realized how poor I dressed. I never looked at anyone's clothes I had no concept of style, shoes. Plus I probably looked 18. If you think girls aren't talking to you because of looks you can dress nice just don't walk around on the sidewalks. You can put nice dress pants shoes shirt on, and your going to look much better to these woman.
When business at the gambling tables is slow, the Vegas casinos hire dudes to pretend to play (using the casinos money) to encourage others to follow their example. Maybe this guy is a shill paid to try to loosen up the stingy types to tip more? If it makes the dancers happier, why not? I'm all for encouraging more dancers to visit the club.My 1st thought by the second time I saw this guy was he was a HK employee. Its very hard to fathom that a dude with that much money has no place better to be everyday at 9 pm than HK Tijuana Mexico. So when he was first getting mentioned on here, which was about a month into going every night, I wrote that he must work at HK. Others said no way. But it makes complete sense. He drops 10 k a night on woman they don't have to have sex, the woman more likely to return to work, return to Tijuana when they need $. Waiters make some $, he motivates others to make it rain, increases the "party" atmosphere of money flowing all over the place.
Been reading about HK for a while now and finally decided to go. Went across and got an Uber and got there around 6:30 pm. Bought the VIP card and then checked into 9th floor suite. Pretty nice room for a decent rate with the discount, no way it's worth full price. Went across to Oxxo and picked up a bottle of tequila and 12-pack of beer. Came back across the street and one of the bellman saw my fumbling with the cans falling and offered to help me bring it to my room. In hindsight, a mistake was telling him this was my first time in HK as you'll see why later.
Went down and did a few laps, of the place. Place was popping for 8 pm on a weeknight. Lotsa ladies, most just sitting around or standing and being on their phones. Got a few drinks and was just chilling in the quiet bar at the back when a mesero comes by and sits a blonde next to me and asks if I want to buy her a drink. Did a quick scan and yeah, she's my type. Introduced herself as Navie (or something like that) and I spend some time talking to her while she's sipping on her beer. I got lost in time but it feels like she finished her beer in about 15 minutes and mesero comes by asking for another. I told her 'no, I'd rather just go up and not get another drink'. A mistake in hindsight. She quoted $100 and I countered and we eventually agreed to $100 for a full hour. I brought over edibles and already took 4 of them already. She said she smoked MJ so she was open to taking one of the edibles. Looking back, this is where I started to fuck up my night. Since I wanted to just take it slow and chill, I ask her if she'd be willing to make it 2 hours in the room for an extra $50. I think we ended up agreeing on $240 for 2.5 hours as I didn't think that I'd be heading down again. She asks for cash up front, and I tell her I'll give her half now, half when we're done. Looking back now, I could see she was procrastinating slightly and taking her time and I knew why a bit later..This is a very interesting post. Because there's always going to stories of guys getting taken advantage of as a new guy. And stories of guys getting taken advantage due to the covid, and post covid, tripling down of getting every penny from anyone going to the rooms with a girl. So in your case you combined both. The fact that you let anyone know you were new probably didn't matter. I've seen others get the door banging for keeping girls more than 30 minutes or 45 minutes, and being forced to buy beers. Its odd, because HK and its hotel are not even a brothel. I doubt legally HK is supposed to be up in the hotel demanding money, aka beers, to keep a girl. But the bottom line, is HK learned that many people, probably 70% of the people in HK, have such high income, that they could double triple what they charge, and 80% of the guys will keep returning. But yes at this point I would never try to rent a girl for more than 45 minutes in HK or tropical. I think the VIP card allows that extra 15 minutes still. So once you venture into 46 minutes they can start banging on the door. And from my experience, 98% of the girls, assuming you don't like like a movie star, they aren't going to want to have some guy banging them for more than 20 minutes. So your not gona get much extra sex.
Captain Solo
05-25-22, 18:42
In HK, you can take a girl from the club straight to your room for an hour, but after an hour she has to be back down to the club selling fichas, or face $100 fine. That's HK's rule. Girls make money for the club selling fichas in the bar, not selling sex. Other girls have mentioned it to me.
The girl should have mentioned that rule to you when you negotiated multiple hours, but she decided to let the meseros enforce it with the annoying knocks.
For better sessions, go around the club, find the girls you like, give them propinas and squeeze, grope and hug them, ask them if they would go arriba with you, because a few don't or don't like to go with you. If they respond positively, buy them fichas, squeeze, grope, hug, kiss them and negotiate deals. Stick to HK's standard half hour or 45 minutes and try them out first. If you click, get their phone numbers and arrange for long sessions OTC later at much lower rates.
Guys who go to Tijuana frequently often develop relationships with girls and have GFEs in multiple hours for the standard fare. Try it again.
When business at the gambling tables is slow, the Vegas casinos hire dudes to pretend to play (using the casinos money) to encourage others to follow their example. Maybe this guy is a shill paid to try to loosen up the stingy types to tip more? If it makes the dancers happier, why not? I'm all for encouraging more dancers to visit the club.What was fishy to me was that I noticed that the meseros and the girls don't really give a shit about this guy nor his money, nor the money on the ground. It seems they were more interested in the food on the table.
I am tempted to wear a t-shirt that says "HK shrill" and an arrow. Then spend the night standing next to this dude's booth.
ABAJoeSmith123
05-25-22, 21:25
Need everyone to be aware of a chica by the name of Renata working in HK Club. She said she's from Guadalajara. Medium build Brunette with a slight hunchback. She walks around with a curly hair blonde. First off, I have been going to HK for many many years, always a great time there. Granted some chicas are dead fish and know no other techniques but lay there, but at least service was rendered. With Renata, it was like a really bad dream. Here's what happened: On Sunday night I got there around 9:30 PM. Had a couple beers, walked around, and spotted Renata. I went up and strike up a conversation. She claimed she didn't speak English, and immediately pulled out her phone translator. So I typed in how much for going to hotel. She replied, in English, 150. At this point I should have just walked away. Mistake #1. Instead I tried to negotiate, so I typed on her phone, the usual rate is 100. She hesitated for a few seconds, and agreed. So up to the hotel room we went. I undressed, took a quick rinse, ready for action. She took off her rope, asked for money up front. Mistake #2, I handed over the Benjamin to her without hesitation. Things started to go south from here on out, she started to make small talks, asking about what music I'd like to listen to, where I was from, etc. Etc. All the while just standing there still with her bra and panty on. After about 10 minutes of BS-ing, she asked if I wanted a massage. I was like, hmm that's unusual, don't all HK chicas want to get their clients off ASAP so they can go back to the club and hustle more? But I obliged, a half-ass massage ensued. At this time I finally realized she has no interests in fucking me. I turned around and said let's go. She was not happy, and started giving me attitudes. She handed me the condom and motioned me to put it on myself. WTF!.Dude, I think you might be in the wrong here man. Her offering a massage is simply her trying to make the encounter a little less mechanical and more personal and intimate. Absolutely nothing wrong with her quoting 150 (just trying to make a living) and nothing wrong with her asking for money first (most mongers are low lifes who will try to low ball the girl and not pay). She told you to stop and do it slowly too; nothing wrong with that. She's a person that feels pain and not some junkie that you were probably just trying to penetrate violently and disrespectfully especially since you say you "pulled" her head to your dick. Come on man. I'm a monger myself and it doesn't take a genius reading your post to realize that you were a big part of the wrong here by disrespecting her and treating her as nothing more than a price of meat you wanted to disrespect. Her pushing you off of her is not surprising as you were likely rude to her and she has no obligations to let you continue disrespecting her beyond your 30 minutes. I see minimal faults here on her part. Sorry bro.
Aviator400
05-25-22, 21:39
Been reading about HK for a while now and finally decided to go. Went across and got an Uber and got there around 6:30 pm. Bought the VIP card and then checked into 9th floor suite. Pretty nice room for a decent rate with the discount, no way it's worth full price. Went across to Oxxo and picked up a bottle of tequila and 12-pack of beer. Came back across the street and one of the bellman saw my fumbling with the cans falling and offered to help me bring it to my room. In hindsight, a mistake was telling him this was my first time in HK as you'll see why later.
Went down and did a few laps, of the place. Place was popping for 8 pm on a weeknight. Lotsa ladies, most just sitting around or standing and being on their phones. Got a few drinks and was just chilling in the quiet bar at the back when a mesero comes by and sits a blonde next to me and asks if I want to buy her a drink. Did a quick scan and yeah, she's my type. Introduced herself as Navie (or something like that) and I spend some time talking to her while she's sipping on her beer. I got lost in time but it feels like she finished her beer in about 15 minutes and mesero comes by asking for another. I told her 'no, I'd rather just go up and not get another drink'. A mistake in hindsight. She quoted $100 and I countered and we eventually agreed to $100 for a full hour. I brought over edibles and already took 4 of them already. She said she smoked MJ so she was open to taking one of the edibles. Looking back, this is where I started to fuck up my night. Since I wanted to just take it slow and chill, I ask her if she'd be willing to make it 2 hours in the room for an extra $50. I think we ended up agreeing on $240 for 2.5 hours as I didn't think that I'd be heading down again. She asks for cash up front, and I tell her I'll give her half now, half when we're done. Looking back now, I could see she was procrastinating slightly and taking her time and I knew why a bit later. Soon after, a knock came on the door and it was 2 meseros saying I needed to buy beer or else the girl has to go back down. His English was very broken, so he radios in to who I assume is the floor supervisor / manager. He shows up and sure enough, its the same guy who walked me to my room earlier that night. Says I have to buy a buck of 10 beers in order for her to stay the extra hour. I told them I don't have enough cash to buy beer as I negotiated the 2 hours with her and I had no idea the room required a $200 deposit. So they tell me I can go down and pay by card. The knock alone was a major buzzkill, and heading down to pay for the beers, yeah, that didn't help. So he tells me that the bucket is good for another hour and then she got to go back down to work. Pretty bullshit if you ask me, what the hell is the point in getting a room. I was also pretty buzzed but realized they overcharged me for $3000 pesos, so not the $100 for the bucket he said (probably would have been $100 with cash). Either way, get back to the room, and start fooling around more and she starts to give CBJ. Don't know if it was the tons of booze with the edibles and the buzzkill interruption but couldn't get junior going. Little over an hour later, another knock but just once so I ignored it pretending I couldn't hear it and it stops. About 10 minutes later, more heavy knocking. Open the door and its 3 meseros and the floor manager, says that she got to go back down to work and that if I want her longer in the room, had to pay for another 10 beers, or for the rest of the night, it'd be 30 beers. I'm like, dude, I can't even drink anymore and I didn't even want to buy the original bucket. So decided to call it the end of the night as there was no way I was going to buy more booze. On her way out, she gets my phone # and it wasn't until I came back to the US where I see that she had sent a message last night in Spanish. Translated and it was basically her mentioning that she had to pay the bar $100 as a penalty. I'm assuming this was another ploy to squeeze more money. By the time she left, she had stayed for about 2. 5-3 hours and I paid her $240 total and what looks to be about $155 for the bucket for 0 pops.
Needless to say, pretty disappointed about the trip, maybe I overhyped it in my head after reading about it here and elsewhere. Looking back, here are some things I should have done differently: not tell anyone that it's my first trip (guess that pretty much opens you up to get gouged). Negotiating with her for just an hour (if they're going to knock after an hour to make you buy booze, what the point is there to negotiate extra time? Might bring over my vape pen next time. As far as the girl is concerned, I should have let her go after she downed her drink relatively quickly or after the first knock (when she already had $150 from me, but probably better to cut losses).
In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.I am a vet and well known in the club and the hotel. That didn't stop them from nipping me, even with my own room.
Several times over the past six years I have asked HK BGs that I have on speed dial to come to my Cascadas or Rizzo hotel room instead of tracking them down in the club. A few times they have arrived with a mesero in tow who requires that I buy a bucket for the first hour. Lesson learned: Meet the girl in HK and walk her to the room. Don't tell anyone that you are taking her for more than 30 minutes or risk them putting the arm on you for a bucket for an hour, including the first hour. (A trusted mesero coached us on how to avoid getting nipped for the bucket.).
I have also had situations where I had my own room and the HK BG and I fell asleep. Security or a mesero (usually a mesero with a bucket in hand) would knock on the door after about an hour looking for the girl and saying that if she is going to stay longer, I must buy the bucket. If I do, they are back an hour later with another bucket. They say it is because she is on her shift and should be working in the bar selling fichas. (Ten fichas an hour every hour? The girls would be spending every other hour in the bano if they were drinking ten fichas an hour.).
Recently I arraigned with an HK ATF for a TLN off-the-clock. On her way up to the room, security stopped her and escorted her to my room. They wanted $300 for her to spend the night or $100 for one hour or $200 for two hours. I said no! They said it was a new rule to prevent girls from making arraignments OTC and calling in sick to meet with the monger. Later I met her on the street, we had dinner, and I told her that I still wanted to spend the night with her. She said that we could go to a local crap hotel that would be $30 for the room for the night. I said no, because I had a master suite and I wanted to be in a nice room for her. I went back to security and negotiated the night for $200. Security said the next time, now that I know the rule, it would be $300. Sucked, but I wanted the girl bad. It did put a little hole in my budget, but the little head won out. (It was worth it.) What is galling is that I have been doing TLNs with OTC HK BGs for six years and never had any grief like this.
The point being, you didn't make a lot of mistakes; you just got played. I don't think telling someone that it was your first time would have made a lot of difference. And you cannot argue with security or the meseros, as they will always tell you that it is the management that is enforcing these rules, not them.
I wrote a long article (New Rules.) that I thought I posted here about this experience. If you are still feeling green, you might track it down to learn more about playing their game to win. My solution is to rent a room at one of the chica-friendly hotels, which I did the next night (Hotel Caesar). HK / Cascadas / Rizzo play these games like I am a sucker means they don't want my money and I am voting with my dollars. I will still take HK BGs that I have on speed dial TLN to the nearby hotels. Instead of starting my hunts in HK and freely spending money there, I will start in CC and AB. And I will not be buying nearly as many drinks / fichas in BT or HK. They aren't going to notice the loss or care, but I will feel better about it.
And if you want a vet wingman and our schedules line up, be happy to meet you (or any dedicated monger) in Tijuana sometime.
Gentlemen,
If you like your ATF, please treat her nice instead of treating her like a hooker. Please take her to a proper Love motel (like Premier, etc.) where rooms are rented at 4 hour intervals on the weekends instead of a shithole like Cascadas where the chicas are murdered every now an then and they nickels and dime you for every stupid thing. The Uber ride to these love motels, even in rush hour is under $10. The rooms are near Vegas quality. There are no convicts working as waiters. No con artists masquerading as managers. Cascadas sucks when compared to places outside the Zona Norte.
What was fishy to me was that I noticed that the meseros and the girls don't really give a shit about this guy nor his money, nor the money on the ground. It seems they were more interested in the food on the table.
I am tempted to wear a t-shirt that says "HK shrill" and an arrow. Then spend the night standing next to this dude's booth.I suspect guys promoting this shill theory really haven't thought things through. With all of HK's money and marketing expertise, this is the best they can come up with? An overweight Armenian / Iranian / Arab / Whatever throwing food and money around and getting the DJ to play crap songs? Seriously?
Now if I were hiring a shill for a clip joint, sorry, a Gentlemen's Club, like HK, I'd hire a couple of suave, guapo guys, give them stacks of singles to toss around, and make sure several of the best looking girls would fawn all over them. THIS would attract far more clientele than a fat Arab. Kind of a no-brainer.
And if this guy is spending his own money, what's that to anybody? How is it anybody's business how he spends it? If he wants to light it on fire and roast marshmallows he's welcome to. It's none of my business.
The extra time beer hustle is relatively new to me. First happened about a year ago with a Tropical girl. This is before they tracking where the girls go like they do now a days. For a few months after Tijuana openened Cascadas was not putting the wrist band on me and I do not think the beer hustle was that strong back then.
Another girl in the club told me 100% of the time the beer hustle is intiated by the girl in your room back then. It seemed true based on my experiences.
Not sure when the girl tracking went to next level. It seem to happen same time as cascadas putting the wrist band on our wrist again. Bout this time I noticed a 3rd chica name and room check. 1st check as we leave club. 2nd check in hotel lobby.
We still get some time without a knock on the door but it is inconsistent. Have seen 2+ hours go by before knock and beer request and have seen 1 hour go by before knock and beer request.
I got the feeling it is still initiated by the girl.
NOObs get taken advantage of. Does not matter if we talking HK, AMPS or whatever sex worker we talking about. It happens. The good mongers learn.
In my experience the time depends on the girl. Have had GF type experiences that last over an hour. Usually 2+ hours involve lap dancing or some other exocitc activity. Straight to sex with some BJ action probably never lasts for me longer then 25-30 minutes. Yes I keep track. My timer starts when my hands are washed and I start touching. My timer stops when she gets off the bed to start cleaning up.
Have had girls short me at 25 minutes but this is less than 1 in 10 for me. Usually 33% or more are girls I have done before and that is probably why I get so many good experiences. I am also really good at filtering out the ones I will not like.
Sometimes a really hot girl gets me with the hardcore grind like the $100 she is going to get will pay that bill she badly needs taken care of. I can not resist the super hottie who works hard even if it means a 25 min session.
This is a very interesting post. Because there's always going to stories of guys getting taken advantage of as a new guy. And stories of guys getting taken advantage due to the covid, and post covid, tripling down of getting every penny from anyone going to the rooms with a girl. So in your case you combined both. The fact that you let anyone know you were new probably didn't matter. I've seen others get the door banging for keeping girls more than 30 minutes or 45 minutes, and being forced to buy beers. Its odd, because HK and its hotel are not even a brothel. I doubt legally HK is supposed to be up in the hotel demanding money, aka beers, to keep a girl. But the bottom line, is HK learned that many people, probably 70% of the people in HK, have such high income, that they could double triple what they charge, and 80% of the guys will keep returning. But yes at this point I would never try to rent a girl for more than 45 minutes in HK or tropical. I think the VIP card allows that extra 15 minutes still. So once you venture into 46 minutes they can start banging on the door. And from my experience, 98% of the girls, assuming you don't like like a movie star, they aren't going to want to have some guy banging them for more than 20 minutes. So your not gona get much extra sex.
AerodinamicDog
05-26-22, 01:37
Been reading about HK for a while now and finally decided to go. Went across and got an Uber and got there around 6:30 pm. Bought the VIP card and then checked into 9th floor suite. Pretty nice room for a decent rate with the discount, no way it's worth full price. Went across to Oxxo and picked up a bottle of tequila and 12-pack of beer. Came back across the street and one of the bellman saw my fumbling with the cans falling and offered to help me bring it to my room. In hindsight, a mistake was telling him this was my first time in HK as you'll see why later.
Went down and did a few laps, of the place. Place was popping for 8 pm on a weeknight. Lotsa ladies, most just sitting around or standing and being on their phones. Got a few drinks and was just chilling in the quiet bar at the back when a mesero comes by and sits a blonde next to me and asks if I want to buy her a drink. Did a quick scan and yeah, she's my type. Introduced herself as Navie (or something like that) and I spend some time talking to her while she's sipping on her beer. I got lost in time but it feels like she finished her beer in about 15 minutes and mesero comes by asking for another. I told her 'no, I'd rather just go up and not get another drink'. A mistake in hindsight. She quoted $100 and I countered and we eventually agreed to $100 for a full hour. I brought over edibles and already took 4 of them already. She said she smoked MJ so she was open to taking one of the edibles..Been there, happened before when I was a rookie at HK, and it was around 2008. They do have to make money for the club so they want them down quick. Hotel makes money from 30 minutes arribas, not from multiple hour arribas, so either the girl goes down fast and brings another client to the hotel and then goes back to work again or the client has to pay for that time the girl is not working downstairs.
I agree that the best thing to do is just use the money for $1 tips and touch whoever you want to touch for the propina, buy maybe a few fichas, talk, feel and get to know a bit more about the girls and then go arriba. You will see that spending more time with them talking and knowing them will even save you money, get them drunk and make them laugh and you will have great arribas without that hassle.
AerodinamicDog
05-26-22, 01:42
NOObs get taken advantage of. Does not matter if we talking HK, AMPS or whatever sex worker we talking about. It happens. The good mongers learn.
In my experience the time depends on the girl. Have had GF type experiences that last over an hour. Usually 2+ hours involve lap dancing or some other exocitc activity. Straight to sex with some BJ action probably never lasts for me longer then 25-30 minutes. Yes I keep track. My timer starts when my hands are washed and I start touching. My timer stops when she gets off the bed to start cleaning up.
Have had girls short me at 25 minutes but this is less than 1 in 10 for me. Usually 33% or more are girls I have done before and that is probably why I get so many good experiences. I am also really good at filtering out the ones I will not like.
Sometimes a really hot girl gets me with the hardcore grind like the $100 she is going to get will pay that bill she badly needs taken care of. I can not resist the super hottie who works hard even if it means a 25 min session.Including time downstairs or just time inside the room? Usually the cum boys start knocking at the 25 minutes mark or sometimes they forget but never had the room as long as an hour.
My 2 cents.
1. Do not spend more then 30 minutes or whatever time $100 will buy you until you know a girl. One needs to spend time on a girl to expect special treatment. Only reason to get more than the base amount of time is to get special treatment. Before they got crazy about time I could get girls to stay an hour for $100. Have not done this in a while.
2. I like to hunt for my own girls. I am pretty good at finding my type. I usually see how they perform on stage. Can tell a lot about how the girl responds to $1 or $2 tip. Once one is comfortable at the stage just imagine the entire club is a stage. At this point if a girl is not drinking some dudes beer she is on stage in my eyes. Most girls will look up from their phone trying to make money but if they do not approach them if you really like her.
3. I get them 1 drink and ask the same questions. It is not just what they say but how they say it. Yes I probably drop about 30-40 a trip on drinks for girls I turn down. Add in about $50 for girls I take up to my room. Imo it is worth it.
Finding a pretty Latina who will fuck and suck is easy imo. Hard working girls are easy to find. If you still figuring out how to tell if a girl is your type or not just look for a girl who will grind on your dick and work hard to get you upstairs. These girls earn their money more often than not.
The girl friend experience takes more experience but I am getting to the point I can find a new one almost every trip. My biggest problem is actually the girls I established as GFE last time who get mad if they see me kissing another girl. I define GFE as kissing, hugging, dancing and maybe BBBJ. BBFS is not what I am talking about here.
In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.
Captain Solo
05-26-22, 19:42
Jackie is on to something her.
Chicas would stand there with Fat Fuck but keep distance like coworkers, the same way they treat meseros. I have never seen girls squeeze or kiss Fat Fuck; he never touches, gropes, kisses or goes to hotel with any girls So he's not a monger, more likely a HK'ss employee.
The more I look into it this Fat Fuck is just phony actor doing HK's cheap theatrics to gouge more money from us, so I spend less money on drinks and tips, and get as many free drinks as I can. Guys with VIP cards should go for a free Don Julio 70, Patron Silver or 1800 Cristalino shot, costing $10-15 at the bar.
Patron Silver ($85 in store) is harsh, biting, strong Agave nose. Don Julio 70 ($70 in store) is a lot smoother with fruity fragrance, very popular with chicas in HK. But 1800 Cristalino ($55 in store) is even better than DJ 70, very smooth with a strong Agave nose and taste, slightly sweeter and fruitier.
Noob bought a 1800 Cristalino bottle ($38) at the UETA duty-free store in San Ysidro to party with HK girls in Cascada. 2 HK girls took 2 shots and fucked each other like rabbits; he does not drink alcohol so gave me the bottle. It turns out to be an outstanding liquor for my and HK girls' taste. I enjoy it a lot more than far more expensive Cognacs and Whiskeys.
Couple bros have been giving me their HK bottles so I can let noobs try them. Muchas Gracias.
Aviator400
05-27-22, 00:48
Gentlemen,
If you like your ATF, please treat her nice instead of treating her like a hooker. Please take her to a proper Love motel (like Premier, etc.) where rooms are rented at 4 hour intervals on the weekends instead of a shithole like Cascadas where the chicas are murdered every now an then and they nickels and dime you for every stupid thing. The Uber ride to these love motels, even in rush hour is under $10. The rooms are near Vegas quality. There are no convicts working as waiters. No con artists masquerading as managers. Cascadas sucks when compared to places outside the Zona Norte.I always treat them nice (dinner, breakfast, out to clubs, small gifts). Haven't tried Premier (four, even eight hours isn't enough for me), but I have taken BGs to Rosarito and Ensenada, staying at the nicer hotels in those cities. Locally I have started staying at the nicer hotels in Tijuana. Someone with better knowledge should post a list of chica-friendly hotels. Took a few girls to Pueblo Amigo. The staff wouldn't let the girls go up to my room on their own; I had to come down and escort them up. Not a big deal, but slightly inconvenient. At other hotels, the girls walked right in and to my room.
My 2 cents.
1. Do not spend more then 30 minutes or whatever time $100 will buy you until you know a girl. One needs to spend time on a girl to expect special treatment. Only reason to get more than the base amount of time is to get special treatment. Before they got crazy about time I could get girls to stay an hour for $100. Have not done this in a while.
2. I like to hunt for my own girls. I am pretty good at finding my type. I usually see how they perform on stage. Can tell a lot about how the girl responds to $1 or $2 tip. Once one is comfortable at the stage just imagine the entire club is a stage. At this point if a girl is not drinking some dudes beer she is on stage in my eyes. Most girls will look up from their phone trying to make money but if they do not approach them if you really like her.
3. I get them 1 drink and ask the same questions. It is not just what they say but how they say it. Yes I probably drop about 30-40 a trip on drinks for girls I turn down. Add in about $50 for girls I take up to my room. Imo it is worth it..Good points Hadez. It's like when people divorce and they look back that all the signals were there to tell them it was trouble in the first place. You just need to sit back and take in all the signals. My worst experiences (and they were not bad. But just not as good as many others), was my jumping to decisions with out taking the time to read the signals. It's a smorgasboard and you don't need to bit the first thing you see that you like.
G.
BlackThought
05-27-22, 05:54
In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.If you're a newb, it's best to approach the girls. The sharky girls can smell a newb from a mile away and will hustle you. Sounds like they scammed you hard.
BlackThought
05-27-22, 06:13
HK has the best looking girls but in my opinion you get your best bang for your buck at the other clubs, if you can find a female to your liking. My last 5 sessions at adelitas have all been home runs, 10/10 service. If you go late at night they have a good selection of newer females. During the daytime, not so much. Best of all, they dont automatically quote you 100 or something ridiculous like 150. On average I have been quoted 80, 100 max. But even the ones that ask for 100 are open to listen to a counter offer. In HK I tend to stick to girls I have already vetted myself or from recommendations from my fellow mongers. It's too risky to go upstairs with a brand new pick in HK, unless you don't value your money.I cannot stand the inconsistency at HK club which is why I'm taking a break from Tijuana. Going to Frankfurt FKK club next month, so excited to fuck Eastern European beauties with fresh pussy and BBBJ standard.
Treat your ATFs right by giving them money. Not just the agreed upon amount but extra money. On top of that give them gifts. Third participate in creating what the girl thinks is a fun atmosphere. I am certain my ATFs appreciate what I do for them. Some talks about marrying me. I think one is maybe serious.
While I think it is fun to do stuff outside the club and club hotels the most recent case of a girl getting murdered in Adelitas was done by an American who saw a girl outside the club and then killed a different girl in the hotel by the club. Do not think girls see doing things outside the club like you present in your post.
For me I am considering trying to leverage my extra money to options outside the clubs and their hotels. I get the clubs see the girls as employees and do not want them distracted from selling beers. The natural response of this is to see girls when they off work. There are some Tijuana / Mexico type responses to this that I do not think Mongers will like.
I do get who the line of thought it taking some down this path.
Gentlemen,
If you like your ATF, please treat her nice instead of treating her like a hooker. Please take her to a proper Love motel (like Premier, etc.) where rooms are rented at 4 hour intervals on the weekends instead of a shithole like Cascadas where the chicas are murdered every now an then and they nickels and dime you for every stupid thing. The Uber ride to these love motels, even in rush hour is under $10. The rooms are near Vegas quality. There are no convicts working as waiters. No con artists masquerading as managers. Cascadas sucks when compared to places outside the Zona Norte.
Jackie is on to something her.
Chicas would stand there with Fat Fuck but keep distance like coworkers, the same way they treat meseros. I have never seen girls squeeze or kiss Fat Fuck; he never touches, gropes, kisses or goes to hotel with any girls So he's not a monger, more likely a HK'ss employee.
The more I look into it this Fat Fuck is just phony actor doing HK's cheap theatrics to gouge more money from us, so I spend less money on drinks and tips, and get as many free drinks as I can. Guys with VIP cards should go for a free Don Julio 70, Patron Silver or 1800 Cristalino shot, costing $10-15 at the bar.
Patron Silver ($85 in store) is harsh, biting, strong Agave nose. Don Julio 70 ($70 in store) is a lot smoother with fruity fragrance, very popular with chicas in HK. But 1800 Cristalino ($55 in store) is even better than DJ 70, very smooth with a strong Agave nose and taste, slightly sweeter and fruitier.
Noob bought a 1800 Cristalino bottle ($38) at the UETA duty-free store in San Ysidro to party with HK girls in Cascada. 2 HK girls took 2 shots and fucked each other like rabbits; he does not drink alcohol so gave me the bottle. It turns out to be an outstanding liquor for my and HK girls' taste. I enjoy it a lot more than far more expensive Cognacs and Whiskeys..Can you walk across with duty free liquor or do you have to drive? Where is the cheapest / best store close to Hong Kong to get liquor such as don Julio 70?
In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.It's not a US bar. No need to buy her a drink and get to know her. A dollar gets you a grope. See woman, grope, tip dollar, start negotiations. Go upstairs or move on to the next one. Maybe get to know her if you become a regular or at least after physical things happen. I think a lot of women hate rejection so they don't bother with making approaches themselves.
BlackThought
05-27-22, 21:22
Can you walk across with duty free liquor or do you have to drive? Where is the cheapest / best store close to Hong Kong to get liquor such as don Julio 70?Yes, you can bring back 1 bottle of liquor into the USA Duty free. I think there's a Walmart nearby.
Captain Solo
05-27-22, 21:43
You can walk across with liquors. Mexicans walk across with everything including milk, eggs, groceries.
Many duty free stores in San Ysidro. We usually go to one next to Burger King $50 DJ 70. The 2 uetas North of Ped West have the biggest inventories.
Tequilas are cheaper in the US side.
DavidLuvsPussy
05-27-22, 23:22
I cannot stand the inconsistency at HK club which is why I'm taking a break from Tijuana. Going to Frankfurt FKK club next month, so excited to fuck Eastern European beauties with fresh pussy and BBBJ standard.FKK is the bomb. Koln has the best ones in my opinion.
All EE girls from all over are there for fucking and sucking.
Just did the termas in Brazil. Jesus christ I was in heaven.
Same concept. But those women holy fuck.
Captain Solo
05-28-22, 04:38
Blackthoughts.
It's stupid HK does not have someone who coaches chicas how to deal with customers and the basic of hygiene. The Chinese had a training system that worked very well.
HK should have someone who can coach and train chicas in the arts of seduction and making love.
I volunteer for that job. I can train the chicas a few times every day, especially the new, fresh young pretty ones.
I have my own room. Do not deal with cum boys.
Including time downstairs or just time inside the room? Usually the cum boys start knocking at the 25 minutes mark or sometimes they forget but never had the room as long as an hour.
Jackie is on to something her.
Chicas would stand there with Fat Fuck but keep distance like coworkers, the same way they treat meseros. I have never seen girls squeeze or kiss Fat Fuck; he never touches, gropes, kisses or goes to hotel with any girls So he's not a monger, more likely a HK'ss employee.
The more I look into it this Fat Fuck is just phony actor doing HK's cheap theatrics to gouge more money from us, so I spend less money on drinks and tips, and get as many free drinks as I can. Guys with VIP cards should go for a free Don Julio 70, Patron Silver or 1800 Cristalino shot, costing $10-15 at the bar.
Patron Silver ($85 in store) is harsh, biting, strong Agave nose. Don Julio 70 ($70 in store) is a lot smoother with fruity fragrance, very popular with chicas in HK. But 1800 Cristalino ($55 in store) is even better than DJ 70, very smooth with a strong Agave nose and taste, slightly sweeter and fruitier.
Noob bought a 1800 Cristalino bottle ($38) at the UETA duty-free store in San Ysidro to party with HK girls in Cascada. 2 HK girls took 2 shots and fucked each other like rabbits; he does not drink alcohol so gave me the bottle. It turns out to be an outstanding liquor for my and HK girls' taste. I enjoy it a lot more than far more expensive Cognacs and Whiskeys.
Couple bros have been giving me their HK bottles so I can let noobs try them. Muchas Gracias.Made my triumphant return to Tijuana. The big spender was exactly where I last saw him when I left the west coast, in hk with his stacks. The girls were groping him, one girl was groping him and holding stacks of singles. Why does he have money like that but dress like he shops at Walmart. Actually every guy walking into cascadas tonight looked like a slob. People on the east coast dress better to go to the gym than people out here dress to go to Hong Kong. I bought 1 beer for a girl, she was so drunk she wouldn't even talk to me in Spanish. Just in her own world. After 15 minutes she just left. No goodbye. No 2nd drink request. Whatever.
Cocr Brotheler
05-28-22, 08:44
It's not a US bar. No need to buy her a drink and get to know her. A dollar gets you a grope. See woman, grope, tip dollar, start negotiations. Go upstairs or move on to the next one. Maybe get to know her if you become a regular or at least after physical things happen. I think a lot of women hate rejection so they don't bother with making approaches themselves.Exacto! Is a *****house not some high school or church dance LOL.
I never considered myself shy growing up but *****houses brought out and continue to bring out the best ever man in me.
They are starting to knock on your room at 30 minutes mark even if you have your own room. I stayed in Rizo and it was annoying as hell. HK is no longer the same. It's going to be hard to filter out the girls for repeat now. Either get them to hang out outside the bar since it's harder to connect after session. Time to change the game. Management is getting stupid.
Aviator400
05-28-22, 19:24
Blackthoughts.
It's stupid HK does not have someone who coaches chicas how to deal with customers and the basic of hygiene. The Chinese had a training system that worked very well.
HK should have someone who can coach and train chicas in the arts of seduction and making love.
I volunteer for that job. I can train the chicas a few times every day, especially the new, fresh young pretty ones.Seems the only coaching they receive is on how to push their ficha count higher and their arriba price so high that no one wants to pay it, so the chicas will stay in the bar selling more fichas.
Decades ago I worked for a Real Estate broker who sold Dennis Hof his first Nevada brothel. He took his commission out in trade and would be invited to help train the new recruits in the sexual arts. Told a few stories, including when he had a FOB 18 YO being trained by a vet on how to give a BJ. He said it was weird to be in the same room with the FOB and the vet coaching her. OTOH, apparently he did not decline any training sessions.
I have reserved rooms at both Rizo and Cascadas and never received a door knock. I've spent between 3-8 hours in the room with a chica. I've even brought chicas from other clubs on their days off. Not sure why you guys keep getting knocks on the door for beers or buckets for that matter. Also the monger that thinks he is going to bat 100 each outing has to experience more international markets. Sometimes chemistry is off and you just can't get off depending on attitude, lack of hygiene, or lack of sexual chemistry.
Not to sound obvious, but some mongers need to respect the ladies for what they do for a living and also possibly improve their own hygiene. I don't think they care about what you wear as I've always been dressed like I'm going to the gym, which essentially is what I'm doing putting in some cardio sessions. Why do I need to dress to impress if I'm paying for their services? I don't dress up when I visit a masseuse. We are all going to end up with no clothes in the end anyways.
I've always been respectful and paid them what we agreed to. Some ladies have been burnt in past so they want to be paid up front. Mongers might say one amount and then act like they don't have enough to pay them at the end. I've heard some mongers even stealing money out of the ladies purses while they shower which is really low. I understand why they don't trust us. It doesn't matter how much money you have if the girls don't feel safe around you. They want to be able to make money and go back to their families or kids at the end of the day.
Another thing to add is that I haven't found language skills to be an issue as I know minimal Spanish, but personalities just click. If they feel safe around you and have a good time, then they will be more willing to spend time outside the clubs. Also some will have reputations in the club as the ladies also have chat groups and photos of mongers with details just like this board. So if you think you can disrespect them, then they have a photo of you. It isn't just them browsing on their phones, but they also take snaps of the customers for their circle of friends.
It is good that HK takes care of their customers that complain of bad service. Try complaining to a cartel, triad, gang, etc. That probably pimps the girls out when you go to these other international destinations. You'll probably get more than you ask for when filing a complaint with tried and true killers.
Captain Solo
05-29-22, 08:58
Aviator,
Quite a story real estate agent took out commission sex.
Most HK girls are pretty bland in bed. Occasionally you will find girls who are engaging, showing lots of sexy, pleasurable expressions. The rest does not care. Lots of new girls only work a few weeks then quit. Older regulars are jaded, they just don't care to give guys good sessions, sometime even cheat them.
HK recruits girls from all over Mexico, pumping up the hope that they can bag a couple guys each night for $10-150 easily.
Decades ago I worked for a Real Estate broker who sold Dennis Hof his first Nevada brothel. He took his commission out in trade and would be invited to help train the new recruits in the sexual arts. Told a few stories, including when he had a FOB 18 YO being trained by a vet on how to give a BJ. He said it was weird to be in the same room with the FOB and the vet coaching her. OTOH, apparently he did not decline any training sessions.
Seems the only coaching they receive is on how to push their ficha count higher and their arriba price so high that no one wants to pay it, so the chicas will stay in the bar selling more fichas
Made my triumphant return to Tijuana. The big spender was exactly where I last saw him when I left the west coast, in hk with his stacks. The girls were groping him, one girl was groping him and holding stacks of singles. Why does he have money like that but dress like he shops at Walmart. Actually every guy walking into cascadas tonight looked like a slob. People on the east coast dress better to go to the gym than people out here dress to go to Hong Kong. I bought 1 beer for a girl, she was so drunk she wouldn't even talk to me in Spanish. Just in her own world. After 15 minutes she just left. No goodbye. No 2nd drink request. Whatever.Most of the veteran mongers dress down in Tijuana for saftey reasons. It's like camoflauge, I do it do people think I am some poor expat and leave me alone. Cops ignore my car and I like to fly under the radar, that and I am a slob LOL.
Blackthoughts.
It's stupid HK does not have someone who coaches chicas how to deal with customers and the basic of hygiene. The Chinese had a training system that worked very well.
HK should have someone who can coach and train chicas in the arts of seduction and making love.
I volunteer for that job. I can train the chicas a few times every day, especially the new, fresh young pretty ones.I agree 100% - Sex with new gals is always a crapshoot and usually a disappointment compared to your favorites.
I just returned from three nights in Heaven.
The new addition to HK club is amazing!
It is hidden so I didn't find it till I wandered through curiosity on late Friday night. They should promote it to even out the crowds.
Saw the rich fat guy on Friday night doing his thing. He brings much happiness to a lot of gals so I appreciate his generosity to them.
Noticed some of the really pretty gals can have 'an attitude' like they are too good for you. Ok I admit I am dark skinned and that can be a turn off for some gals. But they can smile and be polite rather than showing attitude. Minutes after I was snubbed by a gal a slightly over weight guy I was hangin' with had a similar experience with a different gal. She refused to even look at him. He was pissed. His experience made me feel better (vs hurt) since I realized it happens to others too.
My favorite Karumi was out Wednesday so I tried a new street girl from in front of Ibiza. Was very dull session and I actually kicked her out in 25 minutes versus the negotiated hour. Myra next was a good session though I was annoyed she would not allow me to touch her P__y.
Luckily my favorite Karumi returned Thursday and she was the only gal I was with the rest of the trip. My sessions with her are 50% dirty dancing and only 50% sex.
I also love it when she dances on top of the fridge and slams her butt against my face. Wonderful.
Sex with her is amazing because of the positions she can do- we start with stand-up sex and for 90% of the time I have her do all the moving while I caress her body.
After stand-up sex I have her ride on top of me switching between various positions -example her sitting on me her laying flat on me, etc.
Unlike most other women she lost weight in the past year maintaining her beautiful body.
I walked Greg to meet Karumi in front of the hotel Diamante on ave constitution. Looking forward to his report after his session with her in coming weeks.
I also love listening to the bands at Las Chavelas for a few minutes each night. Late Friday nights tends to be a 10 person orchestra. They will still playing at 3:30.
After mongering for 5 years I finally squeezed the time to go the beach. Had absolutely amazing bbq shrimp. Served with shell on with 6 on a stick. Sold all over the beach. I took uber there and took the local bus on the way back. Will definitely repeat visits to the beach.
Serious inflation in Mexico. Restaurants, grocery stores, coffee at Oxxo etc. Inflation is USA is nothing compared to Mexico. I think the exchange rate should actually get higher to account for the difference in inflation. No wonders the street gals are charging so much more now.
Prior to COVID, I had met this girl in HK. OMG. What an experience. She is pretty, she is into it and she had an amazing body and attitude.
I am going back soon and would love to find her. I doubt it, but trying. Anyone know her name or where she could be? It's like a needle in a haystack. But worth it to try and find her. Appreciate any help.
Luckily my favorite Karumi returned Thursday and she was the only gal I was with the rest of the trip. My sessions with her are 50% dirty dancing and only 50% sex.
.I forgot to write. My sessions with Karumi are 60 or 90 minutes. Enough time to enjoy her fully.
I am amazed how quickly some of these women put on weight. One gal who was skinny pre-covid is now literally twice the size (she wears glasses and was standing directly across from cascadas back entrance. Now she stands 15 feet to the left. She went from nice looking to a blob.
Many of these young women go from prime grade A to see- in just a few months. Unbelievable and sad.
Hk at 11 pm sat night was extremely crowded. Definitely did not see the large % of woman that I've seen in past at hk. It was too much to take. It did have 3 or 4 whip cream shows going at once, and I did not see the guy who drops 30 k in singles every night. But I only lasted 20 minutes. I don't know why guys travel far to see hk on a Saturday night. Adelitas also so busy could not get a seat. I have been in adelitas 100 times in 7 years always got a seat. The woman in adelitas were not looking very good either. Went to the bar across the street from tropical that nobody talks about. Across tropicals side of building. It was not crowded at all met a nice girl but by 2nd beer waiter comes over to yell at her about not drinking fast enough. He chewed her out for a good 30 seconds. She said he told her the beer should never be warm. Dumbass waiter ruined his companies business from me I would not return or buy ficha again.
Zona girls are better than any other place I have enjoyed sex workers.
With that said not every girl is equal. My wingmen and I have had discussions on some basic skills girls could use to improve their chances of getting sexo money.
I assume there are reasons there is more effort put into selling drinks. Girls could use some coaching on how to turn small money nights into big money nights.
Some of the training would include how to filter out the cheap mongers and give more attention to the $$$ mongers. Not sure how many posters here would like that.
Seems the only coaching they receive is on how to push their ficha count higher and their arriba price so high that no one wants to pay it, so the chicas will stay in the bar selling more fichas.
Decades ago I worked for a Real Estate broker who sold Dennis Hof his first Nevada brothel. He took his commission out in trade and would be invited to help train the new recruits in the sexual arts. Told a few stories, including when he had a FOB 18 YO being trained by a vet on how to give a BJ. He said it was weird to be in the same room with the FOB and the vet coaching her. OTOH, apparently he did not decline any training sessions.
BlackThought
05-30-22, 00:32
They are starting to knock on your room at 30 minutes mark even if you have your own room. I stayed in Rizo and it was annoying as hell. HK is no longer the same. It's going to be hard to filter out the girls for repeat now. Either get them to hang out outside the bar since it's harder to connect after session. Time to change the game. Management is getting stupid.Wow that can really destroy the experience. I'm glad I haven't dealt with that BS, I always spend two nights everytime I visit Tijuana for the VIP card discount on the master suites. With many countries opening back up for tourism, there are much better value outside of Tijuana.
BlackThought
05-30-22, 00:39
FKK is the bomb. Koln has the best ones in my opinion.
All EE girls from all over are there for fucking and sucking.
Just did the termas in Brazil. Jesus christ I was in heaven.
Same concept. But those women holy fuck.It really is a great value, also the fact that it's in a developed country, I don't need to worry too much about getting robbed by criminals, scammed by scumbags, or drugged by working girls. I feel like I can never let completely loose in Mexico due to the risks.
I would love to check out Brazil as I've heard great things about it from those in the Colombia threads. HK is a great place to monger for those in California as it can be a weekend trip to just party and have fun (much better value than the likes of Vegas).
Can not edit previous post. My intention was not to offend but just to point out not all continuous improvement is a good thing.
Prior to COVID, I had met this girl in HK. OMG. What an experience. She is pretty, she is into it and she had an amazing body and attitude.
I am going back soon and would love to find her. I doubt it, but trying. Anyone know her name or where she could be? It's like a needle in a haystack. But worth it to try and find her. Appreciate any help.Yah I have seen her before that's my baby momma. LOL. Seriously if you really like a girl you ought to get her number.
Yah I have seen her before that's my baby momma. LOL. Seriously if you really like a girl you ought to get her number.What's her name? The thing is, I thought I had her number. But I have forgotten her name. If I can remember the name, I may be able to find her #. Haha.
SomeDude321
05-31-22, 00:37
Prior to COVID, I had met this girl in HK. OMG. What an experience. She is pretty, she is into it and she had an amazing body and attitude.There's a high turnover rate of girls at HK as it is, and if you're looking for girl from pre-pandemic days, there's a slim chance you'll run into her again. But hope springs eternal. I'm rooting for you. If you find a girl you like, get her number for future encounters.
Noticed some of the really pretty gals can have 'an attitude' like they are too good for you. Ok I admit I am dark skinned and that can be a turn off for some gals. But they can smile and be polite rather than showing attitude. Minutes after I was snubbed by a gal a slightly over weight guy I was hangin' with had a similar experience with a different gal. She refused to even look at him. He was pissed. His experience made me feel better (vs hurt) since I realized it happens to others too.I have had that treatment too by a few of the pretty ones. Judy comes to mind. She was a light skinned spinner with angel wings on her back, super hot with a beautiful face, ass and tits and petite body. I wanted to fuck her so bad for a long time but the kept turning me down. Finally I decided to buy her a drink and ask her why she always avoided me and refused to service me. She finally admitted that she is not into husky guys like me, ok I am overweight but I like the term husky LOL. I asked her ID she ever got fucked by a big guy, she admitted she never had. I told her if she gave me a chance I would make her pleasure my mission, I would eat her pussy and fuck her anyway she wanted to make her orgasm. I told her big guys like me like to give and we aren't selfish. Finally she agreed to fuck me the next day in HK. I was on the second deck of HK overlooking the main stage when she shows up and says with a smile are you ready baby? I told ooh baby I have a headache and don't feel well maybe next time. The look on her face was priceless, fuck that stupid *****. LOL! Guys never beg to fuck a girl no matter how hot, there will always be a few that will happily fuck you for money, go with those girls, much better time!
ABAJoeSmith123
05-31-22, 06:17
There's a high turnover rate of girls at HK as it is, and if you're looking for girl from pre-pandemic days, there's a slim chance you'll run into her again. But hope springs eternal. I'm rooting for you. If you find a girl you like, get her number for future encounters.I actually disagree with you your claim that there is high turnover. There's a lot of new faces, but there's a huge chunk of chica's at HK that I've seen there for well over 4 years now. Can't imagine how many times they've been violated by men. They must be pretty damn desperate to still want to be in this job for that long a period of 4+ years. Just imagine how many men have fucked / raped them in 4 years. Crazy.
There's a high turnover rate of girls at HK as it is, and if you're looking for girl from pre-pandemic days, there's a slim chance you'll run into her again. But hope springs eternal. I'm rooting for you. If you find a girl you like, get her number for future encounters.Haha. Am a fool, I know. I should have married her at that time!
I have met a few girls worth repeating. Like mentioned best thing to do is get their number. Getting their number makes it easy to find them. Getting number will come with other stuff recently discussed on this forum.
Would be surprised how many girls come back and work the clubs but for some reason or another are not there the random night you come to town.
I know people who have worked management in manufacturing in Mexico. This concept of people not being at work for long periods of time affects that industry as well.
Prior to COVID, I had met this girl in HK. OMG. What an experience. She is pretty, she is into it and she had an amazing body and attitude.
I am going back soon and would love to find her. I doubt it, but trying. Anyone know her name or where she could be? It's like a needle in a haystack. But worth it to try and find her. Appreciate any help.
There are some girls who work for a short period of time and never come back. I saw a girl as recently as summer 2021 who I have seen multiple times over the years going back to 2008.
A girl who participated in the HK Girl of the Year has been working more often than not when I go down since 2017. Think she was not there maybe 4 times in those years including COVID times.
I have sex each time I go to Tijuana with 1-3 girls I have seen before. Some I saw a few months ago. Some I have not seen in over a year.
A good amount of the girls I have sex with I never see again. Would estimate 1 in 3. While it may be a lot of girls for one monger it is a very small sample size compared to the hundreds of girls who work HK each day not to mention all the girls at other clubs and Streets.
How many are long term workers and how many are short term who knows.
Like has been said if a girl is important to a monger get her number. Even then. Two girls who rocked my world gave me numbers and never responded. One number led to her IG account. Time will tell what is going on with her.
I actually disagree with you your claim that there is high turnover. There's a lot of new faces, but there's a huge chunk of chica's at HK that I've seen there for well over 4 years now. Can't imagine how many times they've been violated by men. They must be pretty damn desperate to still want to be in this job for that long a period of 4+ years. Just imagine how many men have fucked / raped them in 4 years. Crazy.
Cocr Brotheler
05-31-22, 19:30
Wow that can really destroy the experience. I'm glad I haven't dealt with that BS, I always spend two nights everytime I visit Tijuana for the VIP card discount on the master suites. With many countries opening back up for tourism, there are much better value outside of Tijuana.They didn't do that to me on Sunday but I was in a slightly upgraded room a double on the 5th floor. Security did check on me though after about 4/5 hours in the room asking if everything was good. I did tell him about the chica I threw out for demanding money up front. She said it is the law. I said my law is never to pay up front. I cracked the door upon and said please leave.
She was fair skinned with some red in her hair and wore a HK tight black dress.
My first session on Sunday was fantastic! I will post more when I get off work.
I have had that treatment too by a few of the pretty ones. Judy comes to mind. She was a light skinned spinner with angel wings on her back, super hot with a beautiful face, ass and tits and petite body. I wanted to fuck her so bad for a long time but the kept turning me down. Finally I decided to buy her a drink and ask her why she always avoided me and refused to service me. She finally admitted that she is not into husky guys like me, ok I am overweight but I like the term husky LOL. I asked her ID she ever got fucked by a big guy, she admitted she never had.
Guys never beg to fuck a girl no matter how hot, there will always be a few that will happily fuck you for money, go with those girls, much better time!Thanks for sharing and once again glad to see many men face rejection from some women in the club.
Interesting that you got her a drink to understand why she kept rejecting you.
Generally I get too hurt to take that step. But I may do it some time.
Last trip it was a blonde gal with an incredible body and Barbie like face who gave me the F-off look / treatment.
I have the best possible session with my regular favorite so I am good.
I actually disagree with you your claim that there is high turnover. There's a lot of new faces, but there's a huge chunk of chica's at HK that I've seen there for well over 4 years now. Can't imagine how many times they've been violated by men. They must be pretty damn desperate to still want to be in this job for that long a period of 4+ years. Just imagine how many men have fucked / raped them in 4 years. Crazy.You make it sound like girls don't like sex and sleep around for free in usa. 80% of the girls on tinder aren't looking for a boyfriend unless he was Arod or Derek Jeter. They are just banging tall dudes, usually the same 10 dudes banging all the non fatties. I would bet half the white woman around 30 in American cities that haven't been married have slept with 50 to 120 guys.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-01-22, 02:29
You make it sound like girls don't like sex and sleep around for free in usa. 80% of the girls on tinder aren't looking for a boyfriend unless he was Arod or Derek Jeter. They are just banging tall dudes, usually the same 10 dudes banging all the non fatties. I would bet half the white woman around 30 in American cities that haven't been married have slept with 50 to 120 guys.Just curious. Has anyone here married or known someone who married a hk / adelitas chica. Curious how that turned out. I imagine a lot of things have to fall into place for that to happen, but just curious. Be interested in hearing some stories if anyone has personal experience with this or knows first hand of a friend who went down this path.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-01-22, 03:21
You make it sound like girls don't like sex and sleep around for free in usa. 80% of the girls on tinder aren't looking for a boyfriend unless he was Arod or Derek Jeter. They are just banging tall dudes, usually the same 10 dudes banging all the non fatties. I would bet half the white woman around 30 in American cities that haven't been married have slept with 50 to 120 guys.Pretty sure no HK chica enjoys getting penetrated by some nasty / rude / violent dude even if they're paying $100, not to mention having to do it 10 x / night. HK chicas are human too. They're just in a sad financial situation that has forced them into a desperation that they're willing to degrade their own bodies to get money for their families. Sure HK chicas can enjoy sex and I'm sure they do when the right customer comes along and makes it for an enjoyable experience. But lets be honest. Vast majority of customers / clientelle that are attracted to these venues are not here to make passionate considerate love. They're there to grope / fondle / mistreat / degrade women.
Had a lousy experience with gal with tattoo of eye on left hand. She looks nice and slim, somewhat Asian looking & almost a spinner.
When I touch most gals dancing on bar table to give $1 I get a reasonable feel.
But this gal said you already touched me with just the initial touch on ass. Of course I have her my $1 . "what a be" I said to myself.
How has the experience of other guys been with the gal with tattoo of eye on left hand?
YEs, they started doing this after covid. But they usually do it in the middle of shift during the day. They did it to me 3 times last 2 times I was at cascades in my room. In the evening shift or end of day shift it was never an issue.
They are starting to knock on your room at 30 minutes mark even if you have your own room. I stayed in Rizo and it was annoying as hell. HK is no longer the same. It's going to be hard to filter out the girls for repeat now. Either get them to hang out outside the bar since it's harder to connect after session. Time to change the game. Management is getting stupid.
Pretty sure no HK chica enjoys getting penetrated by some nasty / rude / violent dude even if they're paying $100, HK chicas are human too. .. Vast majority of customers / clientelle that are attracted to these venues are not here to make passionate considerate love. They're there to grope / fondle / mistreat / degrade women.I disagree with the assumption that guys are there to explicitly degrade and mistreat women.
We go here so that we can admire and enjoy women's bodies without the overhead of dating, etc and because we can attract much better looking women with $$.
No one goes here to mistreat or degrade women. In fact it is in our own best interest to treat them nicely because that's how we get the best service from them.
And yes we are there to grope / fondle them for a fee. That's part of the contract and when done for a fee that is not abuse.
I see guys and gals having fun times at the club when together. Almost every women who is with men who buy them a ficha appears to be having a fairly nice time and. Definitely when they are just partying and dancing for fun when generous guys buy them fichas and don't really grope / fondle but just let the gals dance.
Yes. This business is not for every gal.
YEs, they started doing this after covid. But they usually do it in the middle of shift during the day. They did it to me 3 times last 2 times I was at cascades in my room. In the evening shift or end of day shift it was never an issue.I stayed last week for 3 days and never got a knock on the door during my stay. And I did not get a knock during a similar stay in Feb.
Of course, there is always a knock on checkout day after 1 pm.
I have had that treatment too by a few of the pretty ones. Judy comes to mind. She was a light skinned spinner with angel wings on her back, super hot with a beautiful face, ass and tits and petite body. I wanted to fuck her so bad for a long time but the kept turning me down. Finally I decided to buy her a drink and ask her why she always avoided me and refused to service me. She finally admitted that she is not into husky guys like me, ok I am overweight but I like the term husky LOL. I asked her ID she ever got fucked by a big guy, she admitted she never had. I told her if she gave me a chance I would make her pleasure my mission, I would eat her pussy and fuck her anyway she wanted to make her orgasm. I told her big guys like me like to give and we aren't selfish. Finally she agreed to fuck me the next day in HK. I was on the second deck of HK overlooking the main stage when she shows up and says with a smile are you ready baby? I told ooh baby I have a headache and don't feel well maybe next time. The look on her face was priceless, fuck that stupid *****. LOL! Guys never beg to fuck a girl no matter how hot, there will always be a few that will happily fuck you for money, go with those girls, much better time!The poster BlackThought posted a report not too long ago that she gave basic standard service and had a really smelly pussy. I had been keeping an eye on her also but I have moved on. She seems to be full of herself anyway.
There are definitely guys who abuse the chicas. I have seen it. Have herd stories. Have seen scars.
With that said my wingmen and I treat these girls well. We all agree either they enjoy being with us or they deserve an award for acting skills. Either way I really do not care I appreciate it.
Why has one girl I know been working since 2017. Sure she has her reasons. Why has another girl been working for over 10 years? Ask her. Maybe I will next time.
I know many sex workers Tijuana and USA who have been doing it over 10 years.
Pretty sure no HK chica enjoys getting penetrated by some nasty / rude / violent dude even if they're paying $100, not to mention having to do it 10 x / night. HK chicas are human too. They're just in a sad financial situation that has forced them into a desperation that they're willing to degrade their own bodies to get money for their families. Sure HK chicas can enjoy sex and I'm sure they do when the right customer comes along and makes it for an enjoyable experience. But lets be honest. Vast majority of customers / clientelle that are attracted to these venues are not here to make passionate considerate love. They're there to grope / fondle / mistreat / degrade women.
I met one girl from Chicago club who was pretty damaged. She moved to San Diego to be with a guy. He got her pregnant. He told her to hit the road. She ended up getting an abortion. Let's just say she came back to work too soon. She was really cute for a Chicago girl. During the 2nd drink she started to lose her cool. I had to convince the Chicago Club waiters to go easy on her. Badly damaged and was too soon to work. Same trip to Chicago my wingmen met one of his top 2 ATFs. I got the wrong girl LOL.
I know of 2 guys in the USA who met sex workers in Tijuana and married them. Both stories end badly. One girl screwed all his friends. Other stayed long enough to get citizenship and bailed within a year. He said she got no money from the divorce but there are signs he is hiding the truth.
I know another guy who met a regular girl in Tijuana at work. He went through a lot of stuff with her to prove his intentions as she was extremely Catholic. Less than 2 years after being a citizen she bailed.
Not saying these four examples represent all girls. Shoot maybe I would marry a girl under the right situation even knowing all this. I would just say expect them to leave when getting their citizenship and protect your money.
Just curious. Has anyone here married or known someone who married a hk / adelitas chica. Curious how that turned out. I imagine a lot of things have to fall into place for that to happen, but just curious. Be interested in hearing some stories if anyone has personal experience with this or knows first hand of a friend who went down this path.
Do you always keep it to 30 minutes?
Just curious. Asked around my RL friends who go. After talking about it seems the knock comes after an hour. Sometimes longer. I think it depends on how busy the club is.
Honestly I think there is a chance the girl can initiate the waiter coming up but I do think the waiter can also come up on their own. Have a few example that indicate lot of things can happen.
I stayed last week for 3 days and never got a knock on the door during my stay. And I did not get a knock during a similar stay in Feb.
Of course, there is always a knock on checkout day after 1 pm.
Just curious. Has anyone here married or known someone who married a hk / adelitas chica. Curious how that turned out. I imagine a lot of things have to fall into place for that to happen, but just curious. Be interested in hearing some stories if anyone has personal experience with this or knows first hand of a friend who went down this path.I'd ask why on earth would anyone marry a working girl. It's like paying for sex, after a few times, will one ever stop? A working girl is a working girl, it will never change, once taken the step to have sex for money, with 1 guy or 100 guys it's just a number, don't expect a girl to change just because she's married. She won't be satisfied with a normal life with normal wages.
On a separate topic, does anyone know if there're Chinese / Japanese / Korean girls working in HK? What's the going rate if there're any?
LuvMexicanas
06-02-22, 04:25
But lets be honest. Vast majority of customers / clientelle that are attracted to these venues are not here to make passionate considerate love. They're there to grope / fondle / mistreat / degrade women.You may be trying to be honest, but you're succeeding in being wrong. I go to fuck, not "make passionate considerate love" or mistreat women. Others are likely there to do the same or something similar instead of one of the two extremes you stated. Try thinking in the grey instead of being so black and white because life is rarely that simple.
Do you always keep it to 30 minutes?.Sorry I meant No door knock in my own room with Street Girl or when I am simply alone in the room.
Did not mean when in room with HK gal.
The main difference between working girls and civvie girls who marry you is that the costs are known up front with the working girl. While with civvie girls, you find out the cost to get laid in divorce court during the divorce and the price is set by the judge and legal system. Watch the Divorcecorp Trailer on Youtube for more info. Such as the guy who talks about auctioning off guys stuff and houses to pay the ex wife and her lawyers off. . . California is known to be very fair about splitting the assets 50/50 after a divorce. The ex wife takes half your stuff and the lawyers take the other half of your stuff! LOL.
The real mistake is marrying a foreign working girl or any foreign woman and then bringing her to the land of divorce lawyers aka the USA.
I'd ask why on earth would anyone marry a working girl. It's like paying for sex, after a few times, will one ever stop? A working girl is a working girl, it will never change, once taken the step to have sex for money, with 1 guy or 100 guys it's just a number, don't expect a girl to change just because she's married. She won't be satisfied with a normal life with normal wages.
On a separate topic, does anyone know if there're Chinese / Japanese / Korean girls working in HK? What's the going rate if there're any?
I'd ask why on earth would anyone marry a working girl. It's like paying for sex, after a few times, will one ever stop? A working girl is a working girl, it will never change, once taken the step to have sex for money, with 1 guy or 100 guys it's just a number, don't expect a girl to change just because she's married. She won't be satisfied with a normal life with normal wages.
On a separate topic, does anyone know if there're Chinese / Japanese / Korean girls working in HK? What's the going rate if there're any?No bro I have never seen any girls except Mexican in HK. I have seen a few chicas that had some Asian features but I attribute that to more of having a lot of indigenous blood in them, genetics.
I'd ask why on earth would anyone marry a working girl. It's like paying for sex, after a few times, will one ever stop? A working girl is a working girl, it will never change, once taken the step to have sex for money, with 1 guy or 100 guys it's just a number, don't expect a girl to change just because she's married. She won't be satisfied with a normal life with normal wages.
On a separate topic, does anyone know if there're Chinese / Japanese / Korean girls working in HK? What's the going rate if there're any?Another perspective is why ever consider marrying a john? Once they pay for sex, then when will it ever stop with 1 girl or 100 girls it's just a number. A john is a john and will "never" change. If you won't diversity, then try the AMPS or agencies north of the border. Plenty to find on the SoCal forums.
Captain Solo
06-03-22, 05:59
There are a couple half Korean girls. Janni has been working recently. I saw her at the VIP Chica of the Year party drinking heavily with a coupe Korean guys. She was very drunk and could not stand up straight.
But why go to Mexico to look for Asian girls?
There are lots of Chinese, Korean, Thai girls working in San Gabriel Valley. Look them up.
Marathon805
06-03-22, 17:36
But why go to Mexico to look for Asian girls?
There are lots of Chinese, Korean, Thai girls working in San Gabriel Valley. Look them up.Asians in Mexico. Higher quality and half price.
Not to mention not having to be verified by a Agency / escort.
Not having to fly 17 hours and cost $600+ Just for the ticket.
Same could be said for the girls. One girl I know has been working over 14 years. Who knows how many dudes she has let shoot a load in her.
The mongers and sex workers actually have a lot in common. Should either want to get married or have someone want to marry them?
Imo this is a deep discussion. Probably too deep for the internet.
Most people neither will give the time nor possess the ability to set aside their inner Judge Dredd to actually consider some of the aspects.
Another perspective is why ever consider marrying a john? Once they pay for sex, then when will it ever stop with 1 girl or 100 girls it's just a number. A john is a john and will "never" change. If you won't diversity, then try the AMPS or agencies north of the border. Plenty to find on the SoCal forums.
Asians in Mexico. Higher quality and half price.
Not to mention not having to be verified by a Agency / escort.
Not having to fly 17 hours and cost $600+ Just for the ticket.There are no Asian girls in Tijuana. Some of them might look like it and you can just pretend I guess.
You may be trying to be honest, but you're succeeding in being wrong. I go to fuck, not "make passionate considerate love" or mistreat women. Others are likely there to do the same or something similar instead of one of the two extremes you stated. Try thinking in the grey instead of being so black and white because life is rarely that simple.Will have to ask the girls that question but I think a majority of the guys are there to probably grope / fondle. . but not mistreat or degrade women. Some guys maybe into this but I think it's very low percentage and if you mistreat a girl in HK. It's not going to go very well for you in that bar. Also many guys are there to do stuff their wife can't give them at home. Other guys are there to talk with the women and buy them a drink and maybe not even fuck.
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Same could be said for the girls. One girl I know has been working over 14 years. Who knows how many dudes she has let shoot a load in her.
The mongers and sex workers actually have a lot in common. Should either want to get married or have someone want to marry them?
Imo this is a deep discussion. Probably too deep for the internet.
Most people neither will give the time nor possess the ability to set aside their inner Judge Dredd to actually consider some of the aspects.I think what is largely over looked by most here is that many of these girls / ladies have a significant other and this is just a job to be able to provide a better living for the family. So even though they work selling sex when they get home they are moms and girlfriends to the family. The sad part is that most get involved with the wrong crowd and think they will be taken care of but the guy ends up in jail or just bails on her and they have no choice but to continue working because that's what they know.
MacNCheeze
06-04-22, 14:51
There are no Asian girls in Tijuana. Some of them might look like it and you can just pretend I guess.I mean for that short time together with the girls aren't we all just playing pretend?
I forgot to write. My sessions with Karumi are 60 or 90 minutes. Enough time to enjoy her fully.
I am amazed how quickly some of these women put on weight. One gal who was skinny pre-covid is now literally twice the size (she wears glasses and was standing directly across from cascadas back entrance. Now she stands 15 feet to the left. She went from nice looking to a blob.
Many of these young women go from prime grade A to see- in just a few months. Unbelievable and sad.I have 20 years now in this mongering game. The one thing I know is how fast these girls age or put on weight. I have mongered in all the main Latin American countries and I could write a few paragraphs on hot women that I lost interested in a year later or 2 years later. The problem now is the quality of girls in Tijuana Brazil and Colombia have gone down overall. The Great part about when I started mongering was how many hot girls I slept with. Tijuana was 60 for a half hour, escorts were 80 for a hour. Brazil and Colombia were amazing. Costa Rica was pretty great too. I don't even think I will go back to Brazil or Colombia anymore. It isn't worth the 13 hour flight time plus layovers, and all the other costs. I think I'm going to stick to just Tijuana escorts in my old age now. LOL.
There are no Asian girls in Tijuana. Some of them might look like it and you can just pretend I guess.There are Asian girls in Tijuana and Asians in general, most are Chinese immigrants that work and live here. I have seen a few cute Chinese girls in Plaza de Mujer selling those cheap cell phone accessories or in the Asian restaurants. The Chinese community seems very tight knit here in Tijuana. I have never seen a Chinese sex worker before. There are a few chicas I have met in the zona that claim to have some Asian ancestry grandpa o ma was Chinese or Japanese bla bla bla. Not sure how much of that is true. It is still fun though to pretend as they were very hot.
LuvMexicanas
06-04-22, 19:34
I mean for that short time together with the girls aren't we all just playing pretend?Go fuck a guy and pretend he's a hot chica.
Captain Solo
06-04-22, 20:49
Fanny in front of hotel Ibiza, trim figure, light skin, pretty face, sweet smile, nice, gentle, sexy attitudes, looks like a Chinese opera star.
She would pant and squeal, gasp for air, do lots of sexy things in bed like she never has enough sex.
Fanny in front of hotel Ibiza, trim figure, light skin, pretty face, sweet smile, nice, gentle, sexy attitudes, looks like a Chinese opera star.
She would pant and squeal, gasp for air, do lots of sexy things in bed like she never has enough sex.Captain,
Fanny used to be my good-night F_k. Pre-covid.
She put on a lot of weight during Covid. Those photos are now misleading.
And I have not seen her recently. She may have quit?
Well, I have had girls stayed for hours in my room in the past too. Maybe it was memorial weekend so they want their girls back ASAP. They didn't knock last Monday but I was on the 500 floors. Maybe last time I was in those basic singles that was easy access for them.
As for these girls getting fat, it's true. After one year, they gained weights and I would be thinking why the hell am I paying for this. If it was my wife or GF, then I probably have to deal with it. It's sad when you have to avoid your favorites after she gained weights or down hill on the looks.
There's a red hair girl that quote outrageous price. I sent her packing. Watchout.
LuvMexicanas
06-05-22, 16:09
Captain,
Fanny used to be my good-night F_k. Pre-covid.
She put on a lot of weight during Covid. Those photos are now misleading.
And I have not seen her recently. She may have quit?Thanks for sharing, as it will hopefully result in the same photos not being posted over and over.
Captain Solo
06-05-22, 17:54
Rambo,
Ya those pics are preCovid, but she did not pack a lot more weight.
A month ago I found her standing in front of Ibiza, her eyes were all blood shot, looked like she was high on marijuana. I have not seen her recently but she will likely come back like many times before.
That story applies to some girls for sure. There are even variations of that story out there.
I would assume all sex workers have some kind of other. Another guy who they call their man. Maybe a girl. Thing is sex workers typically make good money. They going to find someone who will tell them they love them and help them spend their money.
There are very few absolute truths in our world. So it does not apply to all but in my experience every sex work has a man / girl / pimp helping them spend their money.
It really does not matter for me. I have fun. Play around. Enjoy the fantasy. IDC what they do with their money when they leave. I really do not even care how many other mongers they doing same shit with. Long as I have my fun my toes are tapping.
All that extra stuff is done by young people who are still trying to spend their time worrying and controlling things they have no chance of actually influencing. Do not get me wrong good things happen. They just random and unexpected.
I think what is largely over looked by most here is that many of these girls / ladies have a significant other and this is just a job to be able to provide a better living for the family. So even though they work selling sex when they get home they are moms and girlfriends to the family. The sad part is that most get involved with the wrong crowd and think they will be taken care of but the guy ends up in jail or just bails on her and they have no choice but to continue working because that's what they know.
That story applies to some girls for sure. There are even variations of that story out there.
I would assume all sex workers have some kind of other. Another guy who they call their man. Maybe a girl. Thing is sex workers typically make good money. They going to find someone who will tell them they love them and help them spend their money.
There are very few absolute truths in our world. So it does not apply to all but in my experience every sex work has a man / girl / pimp helping them spend their money.
It really does not matter for me. I have fun. Play around. Enjoy the fantasy. IDC what they do with their money when they leave. I really do not even care how many other mongers they doing same shit with. Long as I have my fun my toes are tapping.
All that extra stuff is done by young people who are still trying to spend their time worrying and controlling things they have no chance of actually influencing. Do not get me wrong good things happen. They just random and unexpected.So true all sex workers have someone back home, be it a pimp / boyfriend, girlfriend, other monger simps, a greedy mother, kids, or all the above. Just pump and dump, but act like you like them for good service. If they are rude to me or just plain a ***** I send them packing fast, fuck drama I like my fantasy. I am always a gentleman until a chica proves me of not deserving of that, I can be a complete asshole too if need be, but I prefer to be nice.
I cannot stand the inconsistency at HK club which is why I'm taking a break from Tijuana. Going to Frankfurt FKK club next month, so excited to fuck Eastern European beauties with fresh pussy and BBBJ standard.I have been dissapointed as well. I never see any stunners anymore. I don't really like going anymore as the talent is too low.
I have been dissapointed as well. I never see any stunners anymore. I don't really like going anymore as the talent is too low.I was there May 25-28 and very impressed with the talent at HK. Many many beautiful women at HK.
Of course there are women for all tastes. I like skinnier women and I know many men prefer the women with biggest bodies and / or butts.
So, naturally half the women will not suit most men because the women are of assorted types.
On Friday night I saw fewer skinny women and was wondering where the skinnier women were. And I found them dancing on the bar stage of the new addition.
But overall I am very happy with the happiest place on earth for men.
The other clubs are always a disappointment so I stick with HK.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-07-22, 07:38
I have been dissapointed as well. I never see any stunners anymore. I don't really like going anymore as the talent is too low.The reason why you're not seeing any top talent in the club is because all the top talent is too busy getting violated and boinked upstairs in the hotel. Sickos booking rooms for all night and several hours keeping all the top talent very busy in their rooms. Girls down in the club are by definition the leftovers and less attractive, which is why they're not upstairs in the hotel.
Captain Solo
06-07-22, 07:52
Stick thin with with pimpled face and chop stick legs, came back working in HK after CoVid, but never seemed to bag any guys.
Last Saturday I saw her working on Constitucion, leaning on the wall of bar Gloria. The poor girl could not make it in HK but still insists $100 in HK and 800 pesos with top on / 1000 pesos todo sin ropa on the street. Does not look like she's doing any business on the street either. She has high regards for herself and just completely ignores competition in the bar or on the street.
LuvMexicanas
06-07-22, 18:17
The reason why you're not seeing any top talent in the club is because all the top talent is too busy getting violated and boinked upstairs in the hotel.Violated? Are you saying chicas are being dragged past club entrance security, forced to put on a robe and taken to a room against their will?
I think it's really hard for the street girls to work in HK because they have to upgrade their looks to compete, and they have to adjust their flirting skills. On the streets, they usually just stand around and play on their phone or stare into space, not saying a word other than recite the fees like a robot. That is a nasty habit to bring into HK where there are 100 girls who Glammed up and circle the club like vultures diving into a fresh tourist. I think this is why so many chicas bounced back and forth between the clubs and the streets.
I think it's really hard for the street girls to work in HK because they have to upgrade their looks to compete, and they have to adjust their flirting skills. On the streets, they usually just stand around and play on their phone or stare into space, not saying a word other than recite the fees like a robot. That is a nasty habit to bring into HK where there are 100 girls who Glammed up and circle the club like vultures diving into a fresh tourist. I think this is why so many chicas bounced back and forth between the clubs and the streets.I get a headache instantly from cigarette smoke, even outdoors a smoker 40 feet away can give me a instant headache before I even see them. But I would still not work on the street if I had any option. It doesn't seem safe, you got utubers filming, police and army with guns all over. The military is now doing puta patrol on foot. There was a hk woman wit a nice personality about 35 , she developed some kind of facial bumps skin disease around covid and now works the streetbwith a mask on. I feel sad to see her. She should just marry a guy and go work in an office st this point.
The reason why you're not seeing any top talent in the club is because all the top talent is too busy getting violated and boinked upstairs in the hotel. Sickos booking rooms for all night and several hours keeping all the top talent very busy in their rooms. Girls down in the club are by definition the leftovers and less attractive, which is why they're not upstairs in the hotel.If you want to see and fuck "Top Talent" in HK then you must post yourself by the stairs to the camerino or the girls changing room to ensure you get first dibs on that pussy. Just stay at the second floor overlook by the dj booth. It might sound weird and stalkish but it always worked for me. Anyways fuck rules in a strip club brothel. All is fair in love and fuck!
ABAJoeSmith123
06-08-22, 05:58
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If you want to see and fuck "Top Talent" in HK then you must post yourself by the stairs to the camerino or the girls changing room to ensure you get first dibs on that pussy. Just stay at the second floor overlook by the dj booth. It might sound weird and stalkish but it always worked for me. Anyways fuck rules in a strip club brothel. All is fair in love and fuck!I forgot the add it is important to know the shift changes for the putas. Usually day shift starts at 8 am in the past but I think it is 10 am now, the afterrnoon shift starts at 4 pm, and the night crew when the real hotties show up Thursday to Sunday start at 7 PM to 8 PM. I hope this helps you bag a "Top Talent" chick.
Monday night, HK, tons of woman. A lot more woman, including attractive woman are in HK now, on a Monday, compared to pre covid. There was probably more woman than men if you count the 35 girls in chavelas. Interestingly, it hit me tonight, since I returned 10 days ago, Hong Kong seems to have eliminated the girls that walk up, to basically ask you for "1 dollar baby 1 dollar". They must have told the girls to cut it out, as it was making no money for the bar. I've been in HK, about an hour, 6 of last 10 nights and not 1 girl walked up to me on the bar stool to flirt. I know I complain a lot, but for me, that was kinda the point oglf HK as I don't pay for those girls to go to hotel. I've had some Adelitas girls talk to me while at the bar stools but none really asked for a dollar either. But at least they walked up to me to talk ask for a drink. Tropical, I keep going for 15 minutes to find a girl whose there often but always occupied. Lately nothing at all for me in tropical. There's a lot of woman but they don't flirt and I can't but a drinkbtill the girl flirts. Won't go back to tropical. Waiter also got mad at a 60 cent tip in pesos which is normal in Tijuana bars.
I was in HK yesterday afternoon just drinking with a few bros, I already banged my ATF in my motel earlier in the morning so I wasn't feeling especially horny. I saw Tutu who I banged like 3 years ago. I guess she returned to work, maybe it didn't work out with her suggar daddy. Who knows. Anyways My bro asked her how much to go arriba for 1/2 an hour, she quoted him $300 dollars. LOLOLOLOL! I told the bro man wtf I paid like $80 to bang her in the past and she kept complaining that my dick was too thick and it hurt her, I kept banging away in the doggie position and ignored her whining and pumped her hard to completion! Anyways even with current inflation $300 for 1/2 hour is way too much, maybe she feels special because I have to admit she is very hot but that ridiculous. I found another girl for my sad bro and she enjoyed her for only $80. Guys please don't ever over pay and accept a girls BS they are $80 dollar working girls if she is very hot do not pay more then $100! Too many others who will be happy to bang you. On a side note I did see like three girls I banged Precovid in HK, so the old vets are returning to work LOL.
I get a headache instantly from cigarette smoke, even outdoors a smoker 40 feet away can give me a instant headache before I even see them. But I would still not work on the street if I had any option. It doesn't seem safe, you got utubers filming, police and army with guns all over. The military is now doing puta patrol on foot. There was a HK woman wit a nice personality about 35 , she developed some kind of facial bumps skin disease around covid and now works the streetbwith a mask on. I feel sad to see her. She should just marry a guy and go work in an office st this point.Dodger69 maybe you can buy her some acne cream and marry her when her face clears up, just make sure she don't smoke.
Captain Solo
06-09-22, 17:10
Looks like HK put a stop to girls circulating the club, hitting guys up for tips. The girls would stay in 1 spot, making eyes and flirting with guys, but no more cruising around which males the club less frantic. Guys have to come to the girls or gesture for them to come over, which indicates they are inviting girls for fichas. It's polite to offer the girls drinks before talking and groping them hehe.
It's a good move, makes the club more civilized without girls keep coming, hitting guys up for tips. It also makes sense to take strippers around to tables for tips after their performance, like Tropical has always been doing. It's only fair for people who watch the show to tip them.
When a girl asks for any amount over $100 I leave. I do not care if she not finished with drink. I am wasting my time and need to find a good girl. It is amazing how fast they go back down to 100. I do not care I leave. Not sure exactly why guys NEED that one specific girl. I can find many I like.
I was in HK yesterday afternoon just drinking with a few bros, I already banged my ATF in my motel earlier in the morning so I wasn't feeling especially horny. I saw Tutu who I banged like 3 years ago. I guess she returned to w.ork, maybe it didn't work out with her suggar daddy. Who knows. Anyways My bro asked her how much to go arriba for 1/2 an hour, she quoted him $300 dollars. LOLOLOLOL! I told the bro man wtf I paid like $80 to bang her in the past and she kept complaining that my dick was too thick and it hurt her, I kept banging away in the doggie position and ignored her whining and pumped her hard to completion! Anyways even with current inflation $300 for 1/2 hour is way too much, maybe she feels special because I have to admit she is very hot but that ridiculous. I found another girl for my sad bro and she enjoyed her for only $80. Guys please don't ever over pay and accept a girls BS they are $80 dollar working girls if she is very hot do not pay more then $100! Too many others who will be happy to bang you. On a side note I did see like three girls I banged Precovid in HK, so the old vets are returning to work LOL.
MongerHunger
06-10-22, 09:09
When a girl asks for any amount over $100 I leave. I do not care if she not finished with drink. I am wasting my time and need to find a good girl. It is amazing how fast they go back down to 100. I do not care I leave. Not sure exactly why guys need that one specific girl. I can find many I like.I agree. Some can be had for 80 and that should be standard. The careless Mongers have moved the line upwards. I remember when the line was at 60, of course inflationary cost is at play.
Looks like HK put a stop to girls circulating the club, hitting guys up for tips. The girls would stay in 1 spot, making eyes and flirting with guys, but no more cruising around which males the club less frantic. Guys have to come to the girls or gesture for them to come over, which indicates they are inviting girls for fichas. It's polite to offer the girls drinks before talking and groping them hehe.
It's a good move, makes the club more civilized without girls keep coming, hitting guys up for tips. It also makes sense to take strippers around to tables for tips after their performance, like Tropical has always been doing. It's only fair for people who watch the show to tip them.This is sad and very bad changes.
I love it when nice looking gals approach me an start playing with me or lap dancing un-initiated. It is a license to play more aggressively with them as I tip them a $1. Some of these girls are wild and greatly enhance my visit. If I had to approach and initiate contact things would go slower. Of course about half the women who approach me are not my type and it is very easy to just shoo them away without tipping. So, I hope girls are still circulating through the club and initiating contact with men.
I also don't like the idea of a dancer going all around the club asking for tips. Half the time I may not even find the dancer attractive or my type. So, I view this as a negative development too.
Hi,
Long-time lurker, first time posting in decades. Literally, I've been here since the old SF Redbook days, and gone through a couple of different usernames because I forget the account or password. Good thing we have password managers today, LOL.
Felt like sharing a quick on a short, few hour long, HK trip I did a week or so ago.
Getting across:
I typically park across the border, usually at the border parking lot across from the mall, but this time I parked at a smaller lot closer to the entrance / exit of the border, across from the McDonalds. This was due to the massive traffic jams where literally no cars were moving on surface streets, and the line of cars going to mexico backed out all the way to dairy mart Road. Never seen traffic so bad before, in over 30 years of visiting.
I parked, walked in with my FMM printed out online for free. There was only one guy working the foreign line, but he eventually processed me. First time I got the online FMM stamped. I've visited a few times over the past 2 years, and they've always looked at it and just waved me through. I even forgot to bring it once, and the guy was going to charge me, but I said I printed it out but forgot to bring it with me. I must have a trusting face, or he didn't want to deal with the paperwork, and got waved through. Heh. I think it helps that I'm friendly, relaxed and not an asshole. If they asked for $30, I'd just pay it. While I understand the dislike on principle, I don't like to sweat the small stuff, it ruins the mood.
HK:
Had to pay cover, $5 and they give you a can of shitty beer. They still frisk you and make you go through a metal detector, taking metal off your person is still a PITA.
At the time I was there, 7 pm-ish, there were more girls than guys in the club. Quite an improvement over the worst of the covid staffing. Maybe I was lucky, but I saw a few girls that caught my eye. I'm super picky, so most of my time is spent just roaming looking for the rare hottie + friendly combo.
Found first one. Forget her name, but her body was rocking, and she said she was leaving back to home on Sunday, again, forgot where exactly. She was nice, but slightly cold in the club, but I decided to give it a shot. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
Go up, $30 for room, and now they give out free water if you ask. Very nice touch, though I remember $15 rooms, and would rather go back to that.
Not much warmer upstairs. But I still enjoyed myself, due to her perfect fucking body. Some changes from before. Instead of bar soap, they gave little travel-size bottles of show gel. I always like to shower afterwards, and I always like to see the girl do so too. Too often, they only splash a little water down there, or sometimes, nothing at all. I always feel regret in those cases. Ugh. If you like putting tits in your mouth, do you ever wonder if she did a titfuck before you and didn't even wash up?
After a short break, I decided to hit my old favorite, but now sadly run Adelitas.
Didn't see anything of note, and left after one lap around the club inside. Walked around the block for some air. Chicago, even in its heyday, never got started before 11 pm, and it was still to early to even check. The alley was pretty packed, and while I like looking, but haven't partaken of a SG in decades.
Went back to HK, paid another cover, got another beer. Find lady #2, or rather she finds me. A little aggressive, but sometimes that means better, more engaged service. She was definitely more engaged, but a little crazy, by her own addmission.
Haven't seen the fat fuck mentioned in previous threads, so that was good. It was crowded, hot and a good trip overall. Oh for both girls, $100, no tip given, none asked. I used to tip $20, but that was when they asked for $60. I'm not opposed to tipping even at this level, since it's so much cheaper than US based alternatives, and if it's worth it.
Bottom line: Had fun, take a taxi back to the line, and get through the border station with the facial recognition and invasive questions.
Captain Solo
06-10-22, 17:54
Rambo.
Girls walking around, asking for propinas, are just bad forms, like beggars. They also create lots of unnecessary traffic in the club, distracting and annoying clients. I don't like to respond to big fat girls asking for propina for nothing every 5 minutes in the club. Believe me, if guys like some girls, they will find them and squeeze propinas into them.
HK has uniquely given the girls too much liberty to move around hitting up guys. In other bars and clubs all over Latin countries, girls stay in their place demurely and wait for clients to offer them fichas before talking. Adelita and Chicago have always worked this way.
HK is letting guys take the initiatives, hoping this change will drive up fichas sales, also keep the club classier. Guys taking initiatives to approach girls should tip or buy fichas for them. If they touch or squeeze without tipping or fichas, they may be evicted from the club for abusing.
After the deaths in Cascada and murder in Adelitas, HK security added many more 4 K cameras with pan, zoom allover in HK, Chavelas and Cascada. They record videos of people in all nooks and crannies with amazing details and clarity. They also copy official IDs with real identities for VIP cards and check in at the hotel. HK security is like the KGB or FSB. They monitor clients and know a lot about them. Guys with lots to lose should be careful.
Rambo.
Girls walking around, asking for propinas, are just bad forms, like beggars. They also create lots of unnecessary traffic in the club, distracting and annoying clients. I don't like to respond to big fat girls asking for propina for nothing every 5 minutes in the club. Believe me, if guys like some girls, they will find them and squeeze propinas into them.
HK has uniquely given the girls too much liberty to move around hitting up guys. In other bars and clubs all over Latin countries, girls stay in their place demurely and wait for clients to offer them fichas before talking. Adelita and Chicago have always worked this way.
HK is letting guys take the initiatives, hoping this change will drive up fichas sales, also keep the club classier. Guys taking initiatives to approach girls should tip or buy fichas for them. If they touch or squeeze without tipping or fichas, they may be evicted from the club for abusing.
After the deaths in Cascada and murder in Adelitas, HK security added many more 4 K cameras with pan, zoom allover in HK, Chavelas and Cascada. They record videos of people in all nooks and crannies with amazing details and clarity. They also copy official IDs with real identities for VIP cards and check in at the hotel. HK security is like the KGB or FSB. They monitor clients and know a lot about them. Guys with lots to lose should be careful.Hong Kong has turned into whole foods. Full of beautiful woman but not much going on otherwise. Out of my price league. About 3 years ago whole foods priced me out of lunch. So all that was left was a 2 dollar cookie. A lot guys go to HK to talk briefly with the woman and tip them. I can talk to USA strip club woman for free. I was in HK sat night barely saw any guys touching any girls. Seen more action on beach earlier in the day. There's definitely better bars for girls who are happy to see you. I spent 80 on drinks elsewhere with one girl and have no problem with the lack of sex with her because the sex would of lasted 12 minutes anyway.
Hong Kong has turned into whole foods. Full of beautiful woman but not much going on otherwise. Out of my price league. About 3 years ago whole foods priced me out of lunch. So all that was left was a 2 dollar cookie. A lot guys go to HK to talk briefly with the woman and tip them. I can talk to USA strip club woman for free. I was in HK sat night barely saw any guys touching any girls. Seen more action on beach earlier in the day. There's definitely better bars for girls who are happy to see you. I spent 80 on drinks elsewhere with one girl and have no problem with the lack of sex with her because the sex would of lasted 12 minutes anyway.I agree with your assessment of HK, I have zero desire to fuck a girl there now. $10 drinks and $30 rooms with old used sex'd up matresses it is now a hard pass for me. Plus I see some girls still working there I would rather never see again. I had alot of fun with Escorts and an old friend from Siete de Copas. Like is said before I was in HK once this trip only to drink with some buds. Doger69 reminds me of Rodney Dangerfield he gets "no respect", hell I get no respect too at times. That's why I do my own thing LOL! But I agree the prices are ridiculous, Tutu quoting $300 for a half an hour, what a golddigger!
Hong Kong has turned into whole foods. Full of beautiful woman but not much going on otherwise. Out of my price league. About 3 years ago whole foods priced me out of lunch. So all that was left was a 2 dollar cookie. A lot guys go to HK to talk briefly with the woman and tip them. I can talk to USA strip club woman for free. I was in HK sat night barely saw any guys touching any girls. Seen more action on beach earlier in the day. There's definitely better bars for girls who are happy to see you. I spent 80 on drinks elsewhere with one girl and have no problem with the lack of sex with her because the sex would of lasted 12 minutes anyway.I am done with HK for roughly the same reason. Too many stupid Nickle & dime hidden fees. Girls are over charging. Stupid robe fee. Stupid jack up the price room fee. Stupid drinks with the overpriced room to compensate. Too many waiters. Dishonest waiters that one has to explain that it is the cost of doing business otherwise you'd have to tell the guy in the mirror that he's too much a pussy to stand up for himself. Stupid Armenian shrill playing making it rain games. Stupid reserved table games. Stupid knock and demand a bucket of beer scam. So now I go go HK, get my free drink. Mellow out. Then I leave for greener pastures at the other bars when I am relaxed and ready to open my wallet.
The leadership that built HK is no longer there.
LuvMexicanas
06-13-22, 01:37
I am done with HK for roughly the same reason. Too many stupid Nickle & dime hidden fees. Girls are over charging. Stupid robe fee. Stupid jack up the price room fee. Stupid drinks with the overpriced room to compensate. Too many waiters. Dishonest waiters that one has to explain that it is the cost of doing business otherwise you'd have to tell the guy in the mirror that he's too much a pussy to stand up for himself. Stupid Armenian shrill playing making it rain games. Stupid reserved table games. Stupid knock and demand a bucket of beer scam. So now I go go HK, get my free drink. Mellow out. Then I leave for greener pastures at the other bars when I am relaxed and ready to open my wallet.
The leadership that built HK is no longer there.What took you guys so long?
ABAJoeSmith123
06-13-22, 04:28
Spoke to an HK chica that I am super close with. She apparently makes 5 k per week. Assuming each session is $100. That means she's at least getting boinked by 50 men per week (more if men negotiate down to $60 or $80). That's a lot of men. Jeez. She works 3 to 4 weeks at a time which comes to 150 to 200 sessions. I have no idea how she's not mentally broken by being violated by 200 nasty men every 3-4 week shift. I know she does not enjoy it and only does it for money for her family. But seriously. These numbers are frightening.
This is sad and very bad changes.
I love it when nice looking gals approach me an start playing with me or lap dancing un-initiated. It is a license to play more aggressively with them as I tip them a $1. Some of these girls are wild and greatly enhance my visit. If I had to approach and initiate contact things would go slower. Of course about half the women who approach me are not my type and it is very easy to just shoo them away without tipping. So, I hope girls are still circulating through the club and initiating contact with men.
I also don't like the idea of a dancer going all around the club asking for tips. Half the time I may not even find the dancer attractive or my type. So, I view this as a negative development too.I never felt it was done with the girls asking for money that much that it bugged a lot. But I wish if they did allow it they forced all girls to do it once in a while as it seems the girls not so attractive would walk around most of the time. The girl they roll around on the table is kind of fun to tip as she is just laying there rolling on by.
-G.
I forgot the add it is important to know the shift changes for the putas. Usually day shift starts at 8 am in the past but I think it is 10 am now, the afterrnoon shift starts at 4 pm, and the night crew when the real hotties show up Thursday to Sunday start at 7 PM to 8 PM. I hope this helps you bag a "Top Talent" chick.Dam you guys are so good (and smart) with the tips. These little things can make a big difference on how your night goes.
Gracias,
-G.
I was there May 25-28 and very impressed with the talent at HK. Many many beautiful women at HK.
Of course there are women for all tastes. I like skinnier women and I know many men prefer the women with biggest bodies and / or butts.
So, naturally half the women will not suit most men because the women are of assorted types.
On Friday night I saw fewer skinny women and was wondering where the skinnier women were. And I found them dancing on the bar stage of the new addition.
But overall I am very happy with the happiest place on earth for men.
The other clubs are always a disappointment so I stick with HK.Do have to agree with Rambo on that one. Nights vary a bit but seems just wait few hours and things change. I am still amazed at meeting girls who "say" they have only been there a few weeks. And I question that, but after taking them upstairs and being with them for a while. YEP, seems like they are just sweet girls who have not been there very long and DAM beautiful.
Maybe it's because I am over 50+ and know these girls would never give me the time of day in my own country or even Mexico if it was not paying for it.
Some nights are better than others but still amazed at the incredible experiences I have just about every time. Then again I am dropping a couple hundred bucks a night or sometimes more so it should be a dam good experience for that amount of money!
-G.
Just got back from Tijuana, overall a great trip. I already had a session lined up with a sweet girl, an ex teacher, I met at Adelitas a few weeks ago who gives me GFE so I told her I would see her there around 9 pm. of course, out of curiosity I had to stop by Hong Kong, perhaps to see if I saw some old favorites around who I haven't seen in a while. Well, pretty much as soon as I entered the club I locked eyes with a cute tatted up spinner who was giving some guy an amazing table dance and she was giving me the "fuck me" eyes over his shoulder. Good lord I could tell this girl was a good time. I positioned myself out of her view and kept my eye on her like a hawk. I had to talk to this girl somehow. Meanwhile I got my Adelitas girl asking where I'm at. Sorry I got caught up with some family stuff I told her. Luckily enough the guy this HK girl was dancing for decided to up and leave. Idiot. The girl got up and started walking towards the club Miami area. I positioned myself to where she couldn't miss me. We locked eyes again and she came right over and started making out with me before I could say Hello,. I then ask for her name and she said Dani. I said wow I have never seen you here before where have you been all my life. She laughed and said she usually works daytime hours. I asked what time she got out tonight and she said 10 which was practically in 40 minutes. I was like oh crap thinking about my Adelitas girl waiting for me. I told her I would love to go arriba with her but I have to "check on my friends". I basically just needed time to confirm with my Adelitas girl that she was still going to be there for a while to which she said she would be there til the morning. I asked Dani for her number and she put it into my phone but I could tell she was tipsy and asked if she was sure she was giving me the correct number and she said yes. I asked where her phone was and she said it was charging because it had died on her. I told her I would get right back to her about going upstairs.
Exchanged a few texts with my Adelitas girl and made a beeline towards Dani. She was happy to see me again and asked if I was ready to fuck her or not. I asked if she would do it for 80 bucks and she quickly said yes. I didn't even ask if she does BBBJ or inquire about any other services because I knew from the moment I saw her that this was a wild girl. Now I knew I was in a bit of a dilemma because I had only brought enough money to bang my Adelitas girl, a little tip money, and a little ficha money. I did not bring enough to session with 2 bar girls. But fuck it this HK girl was horny and ready to go and I knew I would regret it if I didn't bang her. So we go upstairs and she gives a different name to the person who assigns the rooms. Sounded like she said Candy. So I don't know if she gave me a fake name or her real name because she's giving the staff a different name. Anyway, she also mentioned something about "Molly" so I think she had taken ecstasy as well. Maybe I misunderstood?
At any rate, as soon as we go in the room she immediately DFK's me and proceeds to give me a porn star level BBBJ. I KNEW THIS GIRL WAS A GEM! Feels so good to be right. Lots of ball licking and sucking as well. She put the cover on me to bang but I didn't mind it. I actually needed something to slow me down. While I was fucking her she was sucking on her own titties and also sucked on my fingers as if it were my dick. After banging for a good while I guess she sensed I wasn't going to cum by fucking so she asked if I wanted to finish in her mouth. I hit the jackpot with this one. So of course I said yes. She ripped the condom off me and started another amazing BBBJ begging for my cum. After a couple minutes I couldn't hold it in any longer and exploded all over her mouth and face and she took it all like a champ. Why can't all sessions be like this?
To finish our time together we took a shower and she started telling me management is not treating her right at the club. Apparently they get mad at her for doing too many Arribas and prefer her to accumulate more fichas. So much so that they require her to do almost twice as many fichas as the other girls and if she fails to meet the quota they fine her a hundred bucks. She said she's getting tired of the strict and unreasonable HK management and pondered maybe working at another club where management is more relaxed and there is less competition. She also advised against getting a room for the night as Cascadas because the staff require a 10 drink minimum / buyout for every hour she spends in a room. So if you get her for 2 hours you're going to have to pay for 20 drinks. Sounds like the scam I see a few of you talk about. She advised getting a room at the hotel attached to the Adelitas club instead because staff over there is more relaxed. She also said she can session at the Adelitas hotel which I thought was forbidden but she said if she's off the clock, the Adelitas staff let her right through. I find it hard to believe but that's what she said.
We said our goodbyes and I killed about another half hour at Hong Kong so I could Recharge for my Adelitas girl. For the first time ever I took some money out of the ATM in Hong Kong since I was down a few bucks due to my HK session. By this time it was a little past 10. I took 60 bucks out and the ATM said there would be a 6 dollar fee. On my account it says the fee was actually 12 dollars though but whatever. This HK girl was worth that and then some. I shot the good Captain a text about how safe these HK ATM's are and he advised against it. Better to get money at HSBC or Soriana. Not sure if it was available at this time of night. I think I'm going to call my card in as lost in the morning and have them send me a new one. I'll say I lost it after my ATM transaction.
I've written long enough but I then went to Adelitas around 11 where my girl was waiting for me. We shared a couple drinks and went on to have a great session as well. I don't have Sentri so had to use regular lane as the ready lane was backed up for miles. Luckily I only had about a 45 minute wait although the app had it estimated at 130 minutes.
Oh and by the way I think Dani from HK gave me the wrong number because she never replied to my follow up texts. Either that or hopefully she responds sometime during the day. I had a feeling She had given me the incorrect number though. She was probably too drunk or high to even know what she was typing in my phone. If she doesn't respond I'm definitely doing a day trip one of these days to session with her again. They rarely make them like her anymore, not at this price anyway.
Spoke to an HK chica that I am super close with. She apparently makes 5 k per week. Assuming each session is $100. That means she's at least getting boinked by 50 men per week (more if men negotiate down to $60 or $80). That's a lot of men. Jeez. She works 3 to 4 weeks at a time which comes to 150 to 200 sessions. I have no idea how she's not mentally broken by being violated by 200 nasty men every 3-4 week shift. I know she does not enjoy it and only does it for money for her family. But seriously. These numbers are frightening.I suspect the frightening part is your gullibility. But that's already been discussed. Believe whatever makes you happy.
El Guerito
06-13-22, 18:39
Spoke to an HK chica that I am super close with. She apparently makes 5 k per week. Assuming each session is $100. That means she's at least getting boinked by 50 men per week (more if men negotiate down to $60 or $80). That's a lot of men. Jeez. She works 3 to 4 weeks at a time which comes to 150 to 200 sessions. I have no idea how she's not mentally broken by being violated by 200 nasty men every 3-4 week shift. I know she does not enjoy it and only does it for money for her family. But seriously. These numbers are frightening.No chance. Your girl that you are super close with lied to you. None of those girls make 5 k per week.
5 k per month or a little more is reasonable, but none of those girls are making 5 k per week.
Spoke to an HK chica that I am super close with. She apparently makes 5 k per week. Assuming each session is $100. That means she's at least getting boinked by 50 men per week (more if men negotiate down to $60 or $80). That's a lot of men. Jeez. She works 3 to 4 weeks at a time which comes to 150 to 200 sessions. I have no idea how she's not mentally broken by being violated by 200 nasty men every 3-4 week shift. I know she does not enjoy it and only does it for money for her family. But seriously. These numbers are frightening.[Deleted by Admin]. 5 k per week tax free. That is 250 k tax free per year. She is playing you. There I said it. Call it tough love for a bro.
No chance. Your girl that you are super close with lied to you. None of those girls make 5 k per week.
5 k per month or a little more is reasonable, but none of those girls are making 5 k per week.I disagree. I think if a girl looks like a 9, is smart, puts in the hours it would probably be easy. You got to remember, the price is not 70,80, if she looks like a 9, its 100 to 300. These hot girls barely see the hk floor, they get grabbed quick by the millionaires that know where to find them, have their number, have $400 for bottles of liquor, pay for the suite or master suite, can keep the girl for 2, 3 4 hrs. I'm sure every night in hk there's a handful girls that do all nivhter for 1 k. Then they got guys who send them gifts cars jewelry, when the dudes are away. Men love to give woman money. We see it at my job the woman make double the tips, the dudes just get so happy to give woman money. If the price to be with hk woman was $30, or $100, up to the guy, no in between, 40% of the guys would choose $100. So many guys even if they paid 100 for a nine looking woman, 95% would pay a tip after when she asks. So her price is more like 130 for 30 minutes. Some guys are gona tip 80,100 just cause they can. We all watch the money man raining money every night, theres more where he came from but others do it in the rooms.
5k per week tax free. That is 250 k tax free per year. She is playing you. There I said it. Call it tough love for a bro.I believe some make between $500 up to $1000 per day, but most probably make $0. It just depends on their clientele and repeat customers. Also have to know they don't work everyday. It is maybe one weekday so they get an opportunity to work Fri through Sat. I've met a few last year that were honest about their scheduling and juggling multiple appt. And customers. I always wanted to be the first in line that night, but why would it really matter since they book sessions back to back.
You may be texting in WhatsApp and then won't get a response until their session is over and they have to freshen up for your appt. Some could probably make $100 k tax free a year if they consistently worked 4 days per week every week, but most like their time off and vacations. The real money for them is when they work in international destinations. The sad part is that no matter how much they make, without good financial advice, it is gone before it is made. Too many family members are reliant on them to pay bills, rent, etc.
LuvMexicanas
06-14-22, 00:41
No chance. Your girl that you are super close with lied to you. None of those girls make 5 k per week.
5 k per month or a little more is reasonable, but none of those girls are making 5 k per week.Come on man! Don't you know that if a bar girl says something that it must be true (eye roll).
Imo more often than not a girl is either exaggerating or straight lying about how much they make. I know there are exceptions. If one wants to think their girl not only has the ability accurately explain her earnings but is willing to tell you great go with it.
Seen girls get no sex in a night. Seen girls constantly going up. My guess based on some evidence is girls get 0-10+ trips upstairs a night.
Seen a girl I called Rain before COVID. She made so much money on shows I never seen her go upstairs. One show she would get more bills than other see in their entire career. What is the min max on this? Who knows for sure.
Add in drinks. Some girls get almost no drinks. Some girls get customer after customer to buy buckets of beer.
How much do they keep and how much does bar take? No idea.
I think some girls make very good money. One of my favs is very open on her social media about her ability to make enough money to go months without working. I do not see her going up stairs a lot but she gets sexo. She is not as good as Rain but she does great shows imo.
How much do they make? In Mexico they do not need to make as much to get by but I got the feeling the top girls pull in 100 k plus a year working part time. Not so good girls? Probably struggle a lot work more but get by.
That girl I met last night in HK says that she's had clients cut her trips back home short by them paying for her flights to come back to Tijuana or to fly her directly to other parts of Mexico they are vacationing at and paying a premium for it. I believe it because this girl likes to party and is a top tier provider. She does so many Arribas that management gets mad at her for it.
El Guerito
06-14-22, 04:22
I disagree. I think if a girl looks like a 9, is smart, puts in the hours it would probably be easy. You got to remember, the price is not 70,80, if she looks like a 9, its 100 to 300. These hot girls barely see the hk floor, they get grabbed quick by the millionaires that know where to find them, have their number, have $400 for bottles of liquor, pay for the suite or master suite, can keep the girl for 2, 3 4 hrs. I'm sure every night in hk there's a handful girls that do all nivhter for 1 k. Then they got guys who send them gifts cars jewelry, when the dudes are away. Men love to give woman money. We see it at my job the woman make double the tips, the dudes just get so happy to give woman money. If the price to be with hk woman was $30, or $100, up to the guy, no in between, 40% of the guys would choose $100. So many guys even if they paid 100 for a nine looking woman, 95% would pay a tip after when she asks. So her price is more like 130 for 30 minutes. Some guys are gona tip 80,100 just cause they can. We all watch the money man raining money every night, theres more where he came from but others do it in the rooms.Feel free to disagree and believe whatever you want. None of these girls make $5 k per week or anything close to that. I'm friends with a few of the most popular girls in the bar and they make nowhere near that much.
These girls will make $1 k a night on occasion, but it's rare. And when they do, they are all fucked out. There's no way they can keep up that pace 5 days a week.
And they aren't making $1 k a night on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, etc.
Trust me, even the hottest girls are only making about $8 per month max and that's if they are working many days every single week. The only way they are making more is if they have some PLM or a few of them paying a shitload of money OTC.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-14-22, 05:25
I suspect the frightening part is your gullibility. But that's already been discussed. Believe whatever makes you happy.I think her quote of 4 to 5 k per week is very reasonable if you look at it logically with math rather than jumping straight to calling me gullible. This girl works I want to say 5 days a week. On her busiest days Friday and Saturday I see her going Arriba every hour. Practically speaking that can easily come out to 10+ sessions each day which comes out to over 1000 dollars minimum per day because it doesn't Include her profits from the drinks her clients pay for prior to having sex with her. She positions herself by the stairs and is very hot and doesn't do stupid things like constantly look at her phone like many of the newbies at HK. She's active courting men and groping them to get their attention. In the remaining days of her work week it's hard to imagine her not sleeping with at least 20 more men over a course of the remaining 3 days of her 5 day work week. So. Putting the math together; 3 days with a total of 20 sessions (2000 dollars at 100 dollar per session not Including drink profits) plus 2 days for Friday and Saturday with lets say at least another 20 sessions (2000 dollars not including drink profits) = at least 4000 dollars. If you add in drink profits it's easily 5000 dollars.
I may be gullible at times I give you that. But the math actually adds up using rational logical interpretation.
This chica actually getting banged by 40 to 50 dicks per week.
Big Magick
06-14-22, 05:28
This question has plagued me ever since I dated one of these girls. Wondering if she really needs me or not. I don't believe the outrageous claims of 500 $+ a day. Now there are some special girls that I have spoken to and seen at work who might possibly do those numbers. These are smoke show women though and they claim 4-10 arribas per day. The thing is these types I never see last. Can you imagine how draining it must be to sleep with that many strangers? Those girls burn out. And to quote from the pimp world " a women without instruction is headed for destruction".
Women are inherently lazy. If they had the discipline and work ethic then maybe I can see even just average chicas making 100 k a year.
I did some math based on logical assumptions. Lets say its an average HK girl. Lets be optimistic and say she arribas 3 times a day 5 days a week. Thats 1500 $. 6 k a month. Factor in her period and other random factors like feeling sick, slow days, days she got too drunk and didn't work etc (I've seen these all happen BTW).
Lets say its 5 k a month. She has to pay rent. Most of these girls eat out all meals. They usually have drug habits. They usually have to support one if not more family members. And most men forget this but being a women gets expensive, hair, nails, make up etc.
All these factors and she's probably only saving 1-2000 $ a month and also keep in mind these girls are lazy. They frequently take time off where they are going on lavish trips and spending most of their savings most likely.
Another factor I believe mongers forget is that not everyone goes to HK only for arribas. When I speak to non mongers about my trips they have this look of shock. I honestly believe a lot of guys go there to look and drink. So lots of girls day gets taken up by sitting around drinking fichas.
I've started to accept that we will never get a straight answer on this but my suspicion is that like any other sales job it highly depends on lots of variables.
My final answer is that for an average looking girl that works most of the year. It's probably around 50 k but the way they spend it they probably take home like 20-25 k. Pennies to an american but to a mexican that's a small fortune.
El Guerito
06-14-22, 05:43
This question has plagued me ever since I dated one of these girls. Wondering if she really needs me or not. I don't believe the outrageous claims of 500 $+ a day. Now there are some special girls that I have spoken to and seen at work who might possibly do those numbers. These are smoke show women though and they claim 4-10 arribas per day. The thing is these types I never see last. Can you imagine how draining it must be to sleep with that many strangers? Those girls burn out. And to quote from the pimp world " a women without instruction is headed for destruction".
Women are inherently lazy. If they had the discipline and work ethic then maybe I can see even just average chicas making 100 k a year.
I did some math based on logical assumptions. Lets say its an average HK girl. Lets be optimistic and say she arribas 3 times a day 5 days a week. Thats 1500 $. 6 k a month. Factor in her period and other random factors like feeling sick, slow days, days she got too drunk and didn't work etc (I've seen these all happen BTW).
Lets say its 5 k a month. She has to pay rent. Most of these girls eat out all meals. They usually have drug habits. They usually have to support one if not more family members. And most men forget this but being a women gets expensive, hair, nails, make up etc.
All these factors and she's probably only saving 1-2000 $ a month and also keep in mind these girls are lazy. They frequently take time off where they are going on lavish trips and spending most of their savings most likely..Everything you wrote here is pretty spot on, about how often they work, them being lazy, having off nights, customers who just want to ficha them and not go arriba, etc. I think the $5 k per month figure is only accurate for 8's and up though. The average looking girl who's like a 6 or 7 is probably making less. Perhaps a lot less in some cases.
As for how much they save, it really depends. I know two girls who are both solid 8's and both make about $5 k or so per month on average. One saves most of that money, buys houses, and has money in the bank. The other chica, who makes about the same amount, runs out of money almost every week and lives paycheck to paycheck so to speak. She burns all her money on her kids, being a single Mom, buying clothes for herself and her kids, getting her hair and nails done did, buying drugs, going out to eat with the deadbeat novio, etc. She spends it as fast as she gets it. Some girls are savers, but most blow through all of their money from what I can tell.
As for.
I'm sure some of you are familiar with tall, plastic, cold, Alejandra from the club. She thinks very highly of herself and won't open up unless you shower her with endless amounts of money. Right now a wealthy Saudi guy is showering her with thousands and taking her on exotic trips.
I'm sure some of you are familiar with tall, plastic, cold, Alejandra from the club. She thinks very highly of herself and won't open up unless you shower her with endless amounts of money. Right now a wealthy Saudi guy is showering her with thousands and taking her on exotic trips.This is why I always say the females be making that bank big time. All it takes is one dude who earns 10 k a da_ at his job, he's gona pour that money all over a girl. The rest of us are her taco and cell phone bill money till she meets the multi millionaire.
LuvMexicanas
06-14-22, 09:22
Right now a wealthy Saudi guy is showering her with thousands and taking her on exotic trips.How do you know?
I'm sure some of you are familiar with tall, plastic, cold, Alejandra from the club. She thinks very highly of herself and won't open up unless you shower her with endless amounts of money. Right now a wealthy Saudi guy is showering her with thousands and taking her on exotic trips.Yah just like Sade I knew in the past, that puta always have punters taking her to Cancun and Colombia and other places. She is a complete pyscho and narcissist once you get to know her. Just pump and dump them.
This question has plagued me ever since I dated one of these girls. Wondering if she really needs me or not. I don't believe the outrageous claims of 500 $+ a day. Now there are some special girls that I have spoken to and seen at work who might possibly do those numbers. These are smoke show women though and they claim 4-10 arribas per day. The thing is these types I never see last. Can you imagine how draining it must be to sleep with that many strangers? Those girls burn out. And to quote from the pimp world " a women without instruction is headed for destruction".
Women are inherently lazy. If they had the discipline and work ethic then maybe I can see even just average chicas making 100 k a year.
I did some math based on logical assumptions. Lets say its an average HK girl. Lets be optimistic and say she arribas 3 times a day 5 days a week. Thats 1500 $. 6 k a month. Factor in her period and other random factors like feeling sick, slow days, days she got too drunk and didn't work etc (I've seen these all happen BTW).
Lets say its 5 k a month. She has to pay rent. Most of these girls eat out all meals. They usually have drug habits. They usually have to support one if not more family members. And most men forget this but being a women gets expensive, hair, nails, make up etc.
All these factors and she's probably only saving 1-2000 $ a month and also keep in mind these girls are lazy. They frequently take time off where they are going on lavish trips and spending most of their savings most likely..They working girls why cares what they make as long as I can get my dick sucked and fucked. But I agree what a hard way to make a living, no wonder most if nor all chicas are crazy and drug addicts.
That girl I met last night in HK says that she's had clients cut her trips back home short by them paying for her flights to come back to Tijuana or to fly her directly to other parts of Mexico they are vacationing at and paying a premium for it. I believe it because this girl likes to party and is a top tier provider. She does so many Arribas that management gets mad at her for it.Who is this top tier girl? Please share.
Feel free to disagree and believe whatever you want. None of these girls make $5 k per week or anything close to that. I'm friends with a few of the most popular girls in the bar and they make nowhere near that much.
These girls will make $1 k a night on occasion, but it's rare. And when they do, they are all fucked out. There's no way they can keep up that pace 5 days a week.
And they aren't making $1 k a night on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, etc.
Trust me, even the hottest girls are only making about $8 per month max and that's if they are working many days every single week. The only way they are making more is if they have some PLM or a few of them paying a shitload of money OTC.I agree with this. There isn't enough guys from Sunday to Thursday for a girl who even considers it even worth their time to show up. This is why the limo drivers told me that their special events are always held on a Wednesday night, to get the girls to show up to work in the middle of the week instead of just Friday and Saturday night.
Most of the girls make their money on Saturday. They make about half of that on Friday. Unlike most of us that are used to 5 day work weeks, the chicas only really have 2 days or earning per week. I remember when I used to go in the middle of the week, there were so many chicas that just wanted me to let them borrow my room so that they can take naps because there was no business. Girls used to tell me that they can snuggle up to me just to borrow my room for a couple hours.
Who is this top tier girl? Please share.5 K sounds high but I would bet for some big VIP's. For the top tier girls. They pay premium. It is interesting how I will see a girl for a minute. She will disappear to never be seen again on the night. This has happed many times and I don't think they are getting off work at 7 pm on a Friday night. For a few of the gals I bet they can take home some staggering amounts. Now I don't know if that's all the time. Seems these VIPs would happing every few weeks or maybe once a month etc? Pure guessing at this point but interesting point / topic to consider.
G.
How do you know?I know because a buddy of mine who banged her a couple times has her private Facebook page.
Who is this top tier girl? Please share.I did, on post #15898.
I might be doing a couple rare day trips this Friday and Saturday to track her down and get her correct contact info. If any of you are down there around afternoon time let me know if you wanna hang. I might have to stake out the place for a few hours LOL. Im going Saturday for sure, Friday is more of a toss up depending on how busy I am.
Big Magick
06-15-22, 07:43
This is why I always say the females be making that bank big time. All it takes is one dude who earns 10 k a da_ at his job, he's gona pour that money all over a girl. The rest of us are her taco and cell phone bill money till she meets the multi millionaire.My friend I don't think you understand the psychology of women. I don't even claim to understand them fully but I've met some real slick men who would never need to pay a women, on the contrary these girls give them money!
Girls are fickle creatures. And the type of simp to unload that type of money is rare. I have seen proof of these girls going with wealthy men and then leaving them. A womens mind changes like the weather. Money actually can buy love but like an apartment you can only rent and never own it.
Also the type of men who make 10 k a day don't have time for these women and also have an abundance of choice.
The mistake a lot of men make is thinking women think like us. We would stay for the cash but women don't really care for it. They like the lifestyle. They like the things money can buy. Also some women will fall for unemployed bums.
My personal theory on women is that the part of a males mind that is emotional and intuitive takes a back seat to our logical mind. Women are the opposite, their emotions run the front of their minds and the logic is secondary. They use their emotions to justify logic. Men use logic to deal with emotions.
As for the other posts on the 5 k a week girls. I just don't think it's possible. Thats 50 guys a week. And based on what you said about fichas earnings you seem to not know the game. For a whole bucket of fichas a girl gets about 20 $.
More realistically top tier girls will sleep with 25 or so guys a week. Thats 10 k a month and I have seen very few girls do those type of numbers. The type of girls most men would rate 8+.
LuvMexicanas
06-15-22, 08:06
I know because a buddy of mine who banged her a couple times has her private Facebook pageWell, if it's on her Facebook it must be true because no one misrepresents on social media, ever.
Looking at heading down after work this Friday if any bro's going to be in the Zona Norte play-pen area, message me.
G.
I think her quote of 4 to 5 k per week is very reasonable if you look at it logically with math rather than jumping straight to calling me gullible. This girl works I want to say 5 days a week. On her busiest days Friday and Saturday I see her going Arriba every hour. Practically speaking that can easily come out to 10+ sessions each day which comes out to over 1000 dollars minimum per day because it doesn't Include her profits from the drinks her clients pay for prior to having sex with her. She positions herself by the stairs and is very hot and doesn't do stupid things like constantly look at her phone like many of the newbies at HK. She's active courting men and groping them to get their attention. In the remaining days of her work week it's hard to imagine her not sleeping with at least 20 more men over a course of the remaining 3 days of her 5 day work week. So. Putting the math together; 3 days with a total of 20 sessions (2000 dollars at 100 dollar per session not Including drink profits) plus 2 days for Friday and Saturday with lets say at least another 20 sessions (2000 dollars not including drink profits) = at least 4000 dollars. If you add in drink profits it's easily 5000 dollars.
I may be gullible at times I give you that. But the math actually adds up using rational logical interpretation.
This chica actually getting banged by 40 to 50 dicks per week.So she's making a quarter million a year? That sounds rational to you? It's possible she could make 5 k in A week, maybe she went on a heater of aribas. Maybe you misinterpreted. But making that every week doesn't sound realistic. That would mean she can become a millionaire off this. There's just not very many guys spending enough money on weekdays or Sunday's. The top girls don't even bother showing up on most of those days. The other day I saw a drop dead gorgeous knockout dancing in the middle and I didn't see one guy tip her in a couple of hours. It was a weekday and there just wasn't much money being spent in the club. There's way too many variables to pin down such a ridiculous number. But believe what you want to believe. We're all entitled to.
Opportunity presented itself and I'm at Hong Kong right now. Was told by a mesero the girl I'm looking for will be here today since he checked the schedule for me.. he could be lying but I'm here for a while either way til Im tired of waiting. Or who knows maybe Ill run across another chick to my liking.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-17-22, 07:44
So she's making a quarter million a year? That sounds rational to you? It's possible she could make 5 k in A week, maybe she went on a heater of aribas. Maybe you misinterpreted. But making that every week doesn't sound realistic. That would mean she can become a millionaire off this. There's just not very many guys spending enough money on weekdays or Sunday's. The top girls don't even bother showing up on most of those days. The other day I saw a drop dead gorgeous knockout dancing in the middle and I didn't see one guy tip her in a couple of hours. It was a weekday and there just wasn't much money being spent in the club. There's way too many variables to pin down such a ridiculous number. But believe what you want to believe. We're all entitled to.No she doesn't make a quarter million a year because she doesn't work nonstop every week. She works for 3 to 4 weeks at a time and then has to take like a month or two off because getting rammed by 200 men in 3-4 week shift would brutally tire any girl.
But as you stated, you do agree that if a hot girl pushes herself she can definitely make 5 k / week (10 arribas Friday, 10 arribas Saturday, 20 arribas stretched over 3 weekdays = 40 arribass = $4000 = $5000 if you add on money from drinks).
The math supports my interpretation of $4-5 k / week for a hot chica at HK.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-17-22, 07:45
Shit. HK chica wants to marry me. Shit.
Dcrist0527
06-17-22, 15:27
Looking at heading down after work this Friday if any bro's going to be in the Zona Norte play-pen area, message me.I'm heading down Friday night. Probably Saturday night as well. I'm going to do my best to stick to tropical and Chicago. The cost of a great night is just so much lower there. So please, no one steal the diamonds in the rough tonight.
Opportunity presented itself and I'm at Hong Kong right now. Was told by a mesero the girl I'm looking for will be here today since he checked the schedule for me.. he could be lying but I'm here for a while either way til Im tired of waiting. Or who knows maybe Ill run across another chick to my liking.So how is that working out for you? Trusting the honesty of a HK waiter I mean.
Hung out at HK Thursday night. Got a little bored so I thought I would count the number of chicas leaving the back entrance to go arriba from about 9:30 - 10:30 pm. And that number was zero. I know that it is the back entrance, but damn that is shitty business. Then HK puts 2 cowgirls on stage with great titties. But they could not find a guy willing to join in and play games. The 2 meseros were busy trying to hustle guys to join to no avail. One waiter tried to sucker a bro in a Lakers Jersey to get on stage but he just left. At that point I thought that the 2 waiter idiots should have just join the girls.
What is the problem? Probably over pricing. Across the floor, I saw one dude talk to a pretty chica. All that came out of her was her hard price of $100 (yeah, I can lips read decently). Ouch, poor dude. He bails. She needs to learn how to flirt. I did a quick math. $100 for the girl. $30 room. $1 doorman. $1 clean boy. 2 fricha drinks at $10 each. 1 drink for myself for $5. Waiter tips $2. Comes out to about $160 for one arriba. What a shitty deal. Pass.
Oh and the quality of HK chicas were definitely on the low end. Couple of lumpy chunky ones that should definitely be assigned to Tropicals Bar.
Shit. HK chica wants to marry me. Shit.Think clearly with your head. The one on top of your neck, not the other one below it.
No she doesn't make a quarter million a year because she doesn't work nonstop every week. She works for 3 to 4 weeks at a time and then has to take like a month or two off because getting rammed by 200 men in 3-4 week shift would brutally tire any girl.
But as you stated, you do agree that if a hot girl pushes herself she can definitely make 5 k / week (10 arribas Friday, 10 arribas Saturday, 20 arribas stretched over 3 weekdays = 40 arribass = $4000 = $5000 if you add on money from drinks).
The math supports my interpretation of $4-5 k / week for a hot chica at HK.All hookers go into sex work to make money, I do not care what they make in HK or the zona. I just go there to get off and satisfy my sexual appetite. I am not looking for an equation on how much a chica makes screwing other men, I know one thing I am not the only guy they are having sex with. Personally I could not do that kind of work if I was a female unless it was starving to death or selling my body. That's why I am always nice to them. If a HK chica wants to marry you, good luck with that. I personally don't think you can turn a hoe into a housewife, but it's all my opinion, if you want to try it go ahead and prove me wrong.
LuvMexicanas
06-17-22, 22:02
If a HK chica wants to marry you, good luck with that.I'm sure every HK chica who tells a client she wants to marry him sincerely means it (huge fuckin eye roll).
So how is that working out for you? Trusting the honesty of a HK waiter I mean.Pretty good actually. I told them I know Jackie888 from ISG and they rolled out the red carpet for me.
But honestly, the guy from yesterday ended being a real cool dude. His name is Yael and he's in training, not officially a "mesero" yet. He kept checking every now and then for the girl I was looking for upstairs and kept me posted. At a certain point he came back and said they didn't think she was coming in after all and to check tomorrow and she'the most likely be there which she was. Got there around 2:30 today and found her within 30 minutes. She said she had to change her number because her ex was harassing her but now she gave me her work and personal number as well so we don't lose contact. Thanks for askin. .
SomeDude321
06-18-22, 05:57
I'm sure every HK chica who tells a client she wants to marry him sincerely means it (huge fuckin eye roll).If it means the possibility of a green card, they'd follow through, LOL. These chicks know the possibility of a come up when they see one.
LuvMexicanas
06-18-22, 06:04
If it means the possibility of a green card, they'd follow through, LOL. These chicks know the possibility of a come up when they see one."I love you with all my-a heart" - Clemenza.
If it means the possibility of a green card, they'd follow through, LOL. These chicks know the possibility of a come up when they see one.No hk chick is marrying a hk guy for a green card. There's no hk chicks in Mexico because they can't go to USA. The border is open and even when it wasn't Mexican woman can go live in Italy and Europe with just a passport.
Hung out at HK Thursday night. Got a little bored so I thought I would count the number of chicas leaving the back entrance to go arriba from about 9:30 - 10:30 pm. And that number was zero. I know that it is the back entrance, but damn that is shitty business. Then HK puts 2 cowgirls on stage with great titties. But they could not find a guy willing to join in and play games. The 2 meseros were busy trying to hustle guys to join to no avail. One waiter tried to sucker a bro in a Lakers Jersey to get on stage but he just left. At that point I thought that the 2 waiter idiots should have just join the girls.
What is the problem? Probably over pricing. Across the floor, I saw one dude talk to a pretty chica. All that came out of her was her hard price of $100 (yeah, I can lips read decently). Ouch, poor dude. He bails. She needs to learn how to flirt. I did a quick math. $100 for the girl. $30 room. $1 doorman. $1 clean boy. 2 fricha drinks at $10 each. 1 drink for myself for $5. Waiter tips $2. Comes out to about $160 for one arriba. What a shitty deal. Pass.
Oh and the quality of HK chicas were definitely on the low end. Couple of lumpy chunky ones that should definitely be assigned to Tropicals Bar.I agree the aribas have decreased. The way I noticed, is I have to stand in line at front desk to get my free drink. Usually there's woman surrounding me with dudes going out. Not these days. Gas prices alone are causing the LOS Angeles guys to have to spend an extra 30 bucks if they don't have a hybrid. A lot guys are getting hurt with the gas prices, the covid unemployment billions for everyone have ended, so many guys were making 150 k to 5 million on those covid scams. Inflation, the increased cost, double price of rooms and. 30 dollar increase for the girls and pain in ass knocks on door.
Previous thread mentioned marriage. (which is crazy). I could see dating for a couple years to see if it's something that could event work out etc. I guess if there was a girl that only did it for a little bit. Did not like it and you formed a good bond with her. But this would rare for sure!
1. Do you get married down in Tijuana and then apply for clientship in US? (assume it takes a few years for that to happen)?
2. If you get divorced do they get half of what you have?
As a side note.
Anyone watch 90 Day Finance? One of the gals who is in that show is a hostess at Mimi's cafe in Mission Valley. So crazy running into her when I was there eating a couple months ago.
-G.
Shit. HK chica wants to marry me. Shit.Read all of the posts in the Married and Mongering thread before you make a decision:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3199-Married-and-Mongering
Previous thread mentioned marriage. (which is crazy). I could see dating for a couple years to see if it's something that could event work out etc. I guess if there was a girl that only did it for a little bit. Did not like it and you formed a good bond with her. But this would rare for sure!
2. If you get divorced do they get half of what you have?
Depends on the State that you live in, but places like California will recognize a marriage from a foreign jurisdiction as long as the marriage from that jurisdiction is legally recognized there. So if you get married to an HK chica in Mexico, and all the paperwork is filed correctly in Mexico, then most states in the US will recognize that you are legally married to her (it changes state by state).
Getting half your stuff on a divorce depends on state law regarding property. Most states aren't community property states, so she would only get half of everything you bought together after you were married, and any assets where there was co-mingling of funds that would turn separate property into community property. This is why you talk to a lawyer and get a pre-nup. If she bitches or whines about it, you move on. What you're generally looking for is a woman that goes, "oh good, I'm glad we're talking about that, because you're going to need to sign a pre-nup too. ". Let's not even get started on how alimony on your documented income, vs her all-cash, undeclared income is going to work out.
Depends on the State that you live in, but places like California will recognize a marriage from a foreign jurisdiction as long as the marriage from that jurisdiction is legally recognized there. So if you get married to an HK chica in Mexico, and all the paperwork is filed correctly in Mexico, then most states in the US will recognize that you are legally married to her (it changes state by state).
Getting half your stuff on a divorce depends on state law regarding property. Most states aren't community property states, so she would only get half of everything you bought together after you were married, and any assets where there was co-mingling of funds that would turn separate property into community property. This is why you talk to a lawyer and get a pre-nup. If she bitches or whines about it, you move on. What you're generally looking for is a woman that goes, "oh good, I'm glad we're talking about that, because you're going to need to sign a pre-nup too. ". Let's not even get started on how alimony on your documented income, vs her all-cash, undeclared income is going to work out.Yah marriage is difficult I failed at it twice and I am still paying for it. Child Support. Thats why I like hookers. They keave after I am done.
Shit. HK chica wants to marry me. Shit.Search for posts by The Hammer1169 from February 2013 to get some idea as to what your life might be like if you marry her.
I can't help but ask her at times "how the hell could you do this stuff for money, but not for love or to bring peace to a marriage?" She just flat says "I just don't like it like you do."
I would rather roll the clock back like it was with her before marriage; me traveling to Mexico every weekend and having a free fuck fest. That shit ended about 6-weeks after we moved in together.
There is a popular saying in spanish, that says:
"Si quieres dejar de cojer con una mujer, casate con ella".
It reads: "If you want to stop having sex with a girl, marry her".
Unfortunately. There is a lot of truth in that saying. That's why is a popular saying.
Damn! That is the gospel right there! I am 48 years old and had my share if women; but this girl I married from Mexico is that saying in the flesh.
LuvMexicanas
06-19-22, 06:02
Rule 1: Don't marry a hooker.
Rule 2: Refer to rule 1.
Rule 3: If you're the eternal optimist and think you're the exception, good luck to you because you'll need it.
Yah marriage is difficult I failed at it twice and I am still paying for it. Child Support. That's why I like hookers. They keave after I am done.I agree 100% and so do many male friends.
Hookers are also like leasing. You can always get a new model every couple of years and are always driving a new model.
With marriage you are stuck with an aging wife and eventually the spark goes out in most marriages and we accumulate resentment that is hard to overcome.
My wife is not just a roommate. We sleep separately, etc. And Zona works out great for me.
Long term I also heard it is cheaper to have hookers.
I am grateful for the beautiful women of Zona and HK club.
I think it's really hard for the street girls to work in HK because they have to upgrade their looks to compete, and they have to adjust their flirting skills. On the streets, they usually just stand around and play on their phone or stare into space, not saying a word other than recite the fees like a robot. That is a nasty habit to bring into HK where there are 100 girls who Glammed up and circle the club like vultures diving into a fresh tourist. I think this is why so many chicas bounced back and forth between the clubs and the streets.Great observation.
Also, there are rules in HK whereas there are no rules for Street girls.
That's why even beauties like Wendy (Anahi) who stand behind HK chose to work on street even though they can compete in the club. She does more sessions than anyone else. She is always in a rush to get into the room and get out as soon as time is done.
A street girl can be well known and be queen at her hotel. She can also be a specialist with some unique skills. So their can greater sense of doing well and being in control / in-charge at their own dumpy hotel. All her repeat customers know exactly where to find her, etc. That's what I love about my Karumi.
I haven't been to Tijuana or HK since well before covid. I might be in the area Dec. 24 and Dec. 25.
1. have any of you been in HK or the area on Christmas eve or Christmas? What's it like? Is it dead? Different? Better? Worse?
2. Is crossing the border from San Ysidro any different? Does it take longer? Require anything special?
LuvMexicanas
06-19-22, 15:44
Great observation.
Also, there are rules in HK whereas there are no rules for Street girls.
That's why even beauties like Wendy (Anahi) who stand behind HK chose to work on street even though they can compete in the club. She does more sessions than anyone else. She is always in a rush to get into the room and get out as soon as time is done.
A street girl can be well known and be queen at her hotel. She can also be a specialist with some unique skills. So their can greater sense of doing well and being in control / in-charge at their own dumpy hotel. All her repeat customers know exactly where to find her, etc. That's what I love about my Karumi.Also they avoid being de facto smokers even if they don't smoke, as the amount of second hand smoke bar girls take in over extended periods is not insignificant.
I haven't been to Tijuana or HK since well before covid. I might be in the area Dec. 24 and Dec. 25.
1. have any of you been in HK or the area on Christmas eve or Christmas? What's it like? Is it dead? Different? Better? Worse?
2. Is crossing the border from San Ysidro any different? Does it take longer? Require anything special?The zone in general is not the best during Christmas season, all the best talent take a break during holiday season, they start to leave around the month of November and don't start to come back until February.
Crossing the border is also worst during the holiday season, a lot of locals have family on both sides of the border so family visits and holiday parties increase the border traffic, also people do holiday shopping on both sides of the border, it is not rare to see 4 or 5 hour wait times during the holidays.
Hope this helps.
SomeDude321
06-19-22, 22:18
I take it you've never had that convo with an HK chica? LOL. I've run into some sharks who'll casually bring it up to see if they can get traction. Of course they'd move to the US on mongerer's dime if they had the chance.
No hk chick is marrying a hk guy for a green card. There's no hk chicks in Mexico because they can't go to USA. The border is open and even when it wasn't Mexican woman can go live in Italy and Europe with just a passport.
Don't worry. I ain't going to marry her. She genuinely serious about it be / see she wants out of the club and to move to America.
LuvMexicanas
06-19-22, 22:24
I take it you've never had that convo with an HK chica? LOL. I've run into some sharks who'll casually bring it up to see if they can get traction. Of course they'd move to the US on mongerer's dime if they had the chance.If you say so. It's your fantasy so the only limitation is your imagination.
Aviator400
06-20-22, 00:58
The zone in general is not the best during Christmas season, all the best talent take a break during holiday season, they start to leave around the month of November and don't start to come back until February.
Crossing the border is also worst during the holiday season, a lot of locals have family on both sides of the border so family visits and holiday parties increase the border traffic, also people do holiday shopping on both sides of the border, it is not rare to see 4 or 5 hour wait times during the holidays.
Hope this helps.
I haven't been to Tijuana or HK since well before covid. I might be in the area Dec. 24 and Dec. 25.
1. have any of you been in HK or the area on Christmas eve or Christmas? What's it like? Is it dead? Different? Better? Worse?
2. Is crossing the border from San Ysidro any different? Does it take longer? Require anything special?Jim0129 was spot on. I was there Christmas a few years ago and the biggest issue was that the line to the USA was enormous. Not just long, but the longest I have ever seen. Does it require anything special? YES for me it would require patients. Sentri is such a lifesaver.
It isn't dead, but there are fewer girls and fewer mongers. I have an HK ATF who is a local, but she grew up in an abusive household, so she does not spend holidays with family. Took her shopping as my Christmas gift to her. Many girls do go home for the holidays, and remain until a few weeks after the New Year. Street girls are MIA as well.
I haven't been to Tijuana or HK since well before covid. I might be in the area Dec. 24 and Dec. 25.
1. have any of you been in HK or the area on Christmas eve or Christmas? What's it like? Is it dead? Different? Better? Worse?
2. Is crossing the border from San Ysidro any different? Does it take longer? Require anything special?As others have said the selection of girls is much lower but you will find someone to your liking. Also the 24th is when they celebrate Christmas so if you go that day / night it maybe worse compared to the 25th. The good thing is that it's a pretty festive atmosphere.
The border is all about the timing. If your going in by car on the 24th it's a nightmare. By foot not so bad. If you are returning to the US on the 24th you will not have any problems from about 6 pm on the 24th to 10 am on the 25th. After 10 am the line starts to get long with those that visited family returning to the US.
1. Do you get married down in Tijuana and then apply for clientship in US? (assume it takes a few years for that to happen)?
Anyone watch 90 Day Finance? One of the gals who is in that show is a hostess at Mimi's cafe in Mission Valley. So crazy running into her when I was there eating a couple months ago.I know people that have done it both ways and if you get married in Mexico it's about half the waiting time for her Visa as compared to the K1 Visa which is the process most of the couples on 90 Day Fiancé have done.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-20-22, 02:25
Don't worry. I ain't going to marry her. She genuinely serious about it b / c she wants out of the club and to move to America. Known her about 2 years. She's a good person and obviously hot, but there's just too many issues that can't be overlooked to marry her.
1. She has two kids already that are like 20 years old and I am not about to suddenly start paying for college for 2 kids.
2. she doesn't speak English which would make communication a nightmare. Can only get by with google translate for so long and its not natural and you never can say what you really need to say for any meaningful conversation.
3. getting her to US would be a nightmare and I'm not committed enough to go through all that hassle (would have to get married in Mexico, and then you'd have to prove to the US embassy if you ever wanted her to even get a green gard / social security number that your relationship was legit meaning you would needs tons of documentation of how you met, where you met, photos of where you've been, history of joint accounts and funds, etc. It's a lot of work. I had a friend do this with a non hooker and it was a lot of work. Imagine doing this with an actual hooker where you have to conceal all that stuff.
Summary: way too hard to marry this woman and give her want she wants. Getting married is the easy part. It's the stuff afterwards that is hard.
Rule 1: Don't marry a hooker.
Rule 2: Refer to rule 1.
Rule 3: If you're the eternal optimist and think you're the exception, good luck to you because you'll need it.I agree completely as I married an HK hooker before, I won't say the name as one of the guys on this forum fucked her and posted some pics of her in the past. We got married in 2008 and in 2011 I was stationed in Fallon Nevada where I filed for an annulment based on the fact that she went back to hooking actually I don't think she ever stopped since I saw an email where she picked up a monger at the border from San Diego and fucked him at a fuck motel, I guess he was married too and some high power attorney. It was three years of hell but I never got her papers and she didn't seek them or a visa. We also didn't have any kids thank god! Look I personally would not marry any working girl, it is hell. Unless you want to go to HK and see your wife going upstairs with a client, maybe your into pain or insane then go for it, it is your life.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-20-22, 08:16
I agree completely as I married an HK hooker before, I won't say the name as one of the guys on this forum fucked her and posted some pics of her in the past. We got married in 2008 and in 2011 I was stationed in Fallon Nevada where I filed for an annulment based on the fact that she went back to hooking actually I don't think she ever stopped since I saw an email where she picked up a monger at the border from San Diego and fucked him at a fuck motel, I guess he was married too and some high power attorney. It was three years of hell but I never got her papers and she didn't seek them or a visa. We also didn't have any kids thank god! Look I personally would not marry any working girl, it is hell. Unless you want to go to HK and see your wife going upstairs with a client, maybe your into pain or insane then go for it, it is your life.What made it 3 years of hell? Just curious for the details!
I have run into several American men who married Mexican women and then got them US Citizenship. One ex Navy guy was working painting jobs to make his child support payments for his Mexican ex wife in San Diego. I asked him, Did it ever dawn on you that you would be a lot better off keeping her in Tijuana in a cheap apartment with cheap Mexican child support payments with the option of not paying if she cuts off access to your kids? This thought had never occurred to him.
On the other hand, I met a Mexican guy with US citizenship who brought his Mexican wife illegally into the USA with no paperwork. When she got comfortable and tried to divorce him in San Diego and take his house, kids and paycheck, he starting making calls to the Border Patrol whenever a divorce court hearing was scheduled. I noticed that he kept his house, kids and paycheck in the divorce and she wound up back in Mexico courtesy of the US Border Patrol. . . This guy thought with his big head and not his little one and won his divorce, unlike some posters here who if they bring back a Mexican wife to the USA will sooner or later be strip mined of their assets in the land of divorce lawyers aka USA.
Don't worry. I ain't going to marry her. She genuinely serious about it b / c she wants out of the club and to move to America. Known her about 2 years. She's a good person and obviously hot, but there's just too many issues that can't be overlooked to marry her.
1. She has two kids already that are like 20 years old and I am not about to suddenly start paying for college for 2 kids.
2. she doesn't speak English which would make communication a nightmare. Can only get by with google translate for so long and its not natural and you never can say what you really need to say for any meaningful conversation..
Personally I think that more mongers who live within driving range of the Zona Norte make shitty husbands than putas make shitty wives. The reason is with women, most are wired to settle down after the first kid. With us, guys are not as wired to be loyal to a woman even with kids. Mongers sort of have a high sex drive. And worst of all, it is too fucking easy to stray since we know that at the end of that drive to the border, honeymoon sex is a sure thing, without all the nagging, fighting, baggage. Some would argue that one doesn't have to pay with a wife. But let's get real, guys are bartering something, whether it is money, or doing the dishes to show that you really love the wife.
I wouldn't eliminate all bar girl as a wife since the group is not homogenous, but she certainly has more baggage to deal with. After attending my buddy's 4th wedding in addition to his prior 3, I don't think that people should marry unless they intend to have something more substantial than just love, like kids or a family or to create some sort of legacy. I think the rate of divorces in California is about 55%. Marrying someone outside our culture brings more baggage. Marrying someone outside of our national border brings more baggage. Marrying a bar girl brings more baggage. Marrying a bar girl with kids brings more baggage per kid. It is just more work per level, and it will depend on how much a monger is willing to work through. I guess that is where it depends how much a monger loves his puta.
Personally I think that more mongers who live within driving range of the Zona Norte make shitty husbands than putas make shitty wives. The reason is with women, most are wired to settle down after the first kid. With us, guys are not as wired to be loyal to a woman even with kids. Mongers sort of have a high sex drive. And worst of all, it is too fucking easy to stray since we know that at the end of that drive to the border, honeymoon sex is a sure thing, without all the nagging, fighting, baggage. Some would argue that one doesn't have to pay with a wife. But let's get real, guys are bartering something, whether it is money, or doing the dishes to show that you really love the wife.
.Well put.
Wives will be better behaved if they knew their competition was sex just an hour away.
Prostitution being illegal in USA makes it a miserable place to live.
I suffered for years in a sex-less marriage and had no where to go since I live in Silicon Valley (San Jose).
Now that I discovered zona I am a happy man again since I can fly down and be in heaven in 4 hours.
Captain Solo
06-21-22, 07:24
Rambo,
Lots of old guys with walkers and wheelchairs still need sex and lust after hot girls. All critical needs should be within walking distance.
Your sexless marriage is your cause or your wife? If she's not giving you sex, is she doing it with someone else?
After menopause, some women have pain doing sex; some just hate their husbands and not giving them any pussy. If she's not giving you sex, she should understand you have the right to get it from someone else. You should ditch her and move to Tijuana so you can enjoy your life in sex paradise 24/7.
A local OB GYN had the same problem not getting sex from his wife. He looked at dozens wet hairy pussies everyday but could not have sex. They drove him crazy. He needed sex so bad, had to hire house keepers from overseas and proceeded to rape all of them repeatedly. Needless to say they all soon quit. He brought in his own sister in her md 40's to take care of his big need and proceeded to rape and physically abused her repeatedly too. She went to the police. He got 15 years in prison. Don't know what his wife was doing while all this ugly shit was going on in her own home. She could have been prosecuted as an accomplice. Her withholding sex really screwed up that family.
People can go crazy without sex and can do a lot of stupid things. Have to structure your life around your needs. Don't live without air, food, water or sex.
Aviator400
06-21-22, 19:41
Recently had a conversation with a BG about the human male animal and the motivations for sex. The conversation was triggered by her desire for body modification that I disagreed with. She wants to reduce the size of her breasts from the current DD to A. We talked about the potential for loss of income, but that alone fell on deaf ears. She seems to think that the loss will be minimal. So we had a talk about why do brothels exist to service men, but none to service women? She pointed to gay and transgender clubs, but those were social organizations, not direct efforts to satisfy a basic human male or female need. Human males are genetically programed to mate with multiple females. And what triggers that desire? Women / girls who appear to be physically suited for bearing children. When a human male looks across the room and sees a youthful female human with large breasts, a healthy trim waist, and wide hips, his genetic programming is triggered.
Science has given humans the ability to satisfy that genetic programming without the consequences of pregnancy or disease. However, especially in the USA, there is a history of condemning those who seek to satisfy that genetic programming. It is why males flock to Tijuana for the purpose of satisfying their genetic drives. And when seeking to satisfy their genetically programmed desires, they choose women who they see as the best genetic match. The display of large breasts is one of those visual queues that trigger that desire in many human males.
She had said that she was going to have the surgery in a month, but after our conversation she said that she is going to put off her surgery until December so she could save some money. (And apparently the tab for the surgery is $4000 US.) She is a typical puta who spends every dollar she earns and has no concept of saving, so while she is a top tier girl in HK now and has little in the way of monetary concerns as a result, she will not be top tier after her surgery. I am sure that she will not be without some clients, but she will suffer a significant reduction in income, along with her reduction in breast size. She keeps going back-and-forth over having the surgery.
LuvMexicanas
06-21-22, 20:05
However, especially in the USA, there is a history of condemning those who seek to satisfy that genetic programming. It is why males flock to Tijuana for the purpose of satisfying their genetic drives.Or some guys just luv Mexicanas like I do.
Rambo,
Lots of old guys with walkers and wheelchairs still need sex and lust after hot girls. All critical needs should be within walking distance.
Your sexless marriage is your cause or your wife? If she's not giving you sex, is she doing it with someone else?
After menopause, some women have pain doing sex; some just hate their husbands and not giving them any pussy. If she's not giving you sex, she should understand you have the right to get it from someone else. You should ditch her and move to Tijuana so you can enjoy your life in sex paradise 24/7.
A local OB GYN had the same problem not getting sex from his wife. He looked at dozens wet hairy pussies everyday but could not have sex. They drove him crazy. He needed sex so bad, had to hire house keepers from overseas and proceeded to rape all of them repeatedly. Needless to say they all soon quit. He brought in his own sister in her md 40's to take care of his big need and proceeded to rape and physically abused her repeatedly too. She went to the police. He got 15 years in prison. Don't know what his wife was doing while all this ugly shit was going on in her own home. She could have been prosecuted as an accomplice. Her withholding sex really screwed up that family.
People can go crazy without sex and can do a lot of stupid things. Have to structure your life around your needs. Don't live without air, food, water or sex.I never got married because the two I could of considered had low sex drive. 1 of them still had sex with me twice a week but never had a orgasm and two comments she made, over 1 year, ruined her chance with me. "I could never have sex again in my life and be fine" " I'm gona give you a break for your birthday". Another girl, was so good at sex the 1st month I was thinking she must been a sex worker in Spain. She wouldn't let me sleep. Theb it vanished for a year. I hadn to beg argue and explain we can't have a future if she doesn't go to dr to fix her hormones. Once we broke up she was banging new guy. I realized she just likes banging guys she doesn't know. From research, 75% woman have low sex drive. So only 25% of marriages over 7 years are having sex 3 times a week, approximately. Many marriages both have low sex drive so they can remain happy. I would. Say about 25% of the woman I dated needed sex everyday, 75% I could seen having this low sex drive issue.
Recently had a conversation with a BG about the human male animal and the motivations for sex. The conversation was triggered by her desire for body modification that I disagreed with. She wants to reduce the size of her breasts from the current DD to A. We talked about the potential for loss of income, but that alone fell on deaf ears. She seems to think that the loss will be minimal.
Speaking of body modifications, a few weeks ago when I got to the club, a girl stuck out to me right away. She had a nice tight body with amazing tits and a great, toned, curvy ass. She was easily a top 3 looking girl in the entire club that night and haven't seen her since then. Since she was so hot I figured she would give bad service so didn't even think of approaching her. Saw a few guys buying her fichas but didn't see any of them taking her upstairs. After a couple hours she actually approached me and asked if I wanted to drink with her and I said no thanks. She then asks if I want to go upstairs to have a good time. She saw me hesitate and asked if I didn't think she was hot. I said no quite the opposite, you're very beautiful and have an amazing body. She said let's go upstairs then and quotes me 100. I hesitated again and thought about her naked body and all the positions I would put her in. I countered with 80 thinking she would turn it down, but then she started calculating how much that would be in pesos and to my surprise said ok let's go.
To cut a long story short the session was way better than expected and I had no regrets at all. But after I finished she was looking herself over in the mirror and said I'm going to get some butt implants. I yelled out NOOOO! Don't you dare do that! She then asks, really? I said, are you kidding me? Your ass is perfect. You have a great body. And she goes, I don't know. I said oh please, have you asked any other guys' opinions about this? And she said yeah actually you're about the sixth guy I have brought this up to. So I said ok well what did they say? I can't imagine any of them telling you to do it. She then laughed and said you're right, they all said my body is fine and not to do it. I go, you see? Don't do it, I'm telling you!
But at the end of the day these girls are going to do whatever they want. The thing is they are surrounded by fake asses all day and that makes them feel inferior knowing they have a natural ass instead of a huge albeit man made one.
Recently had a conversation with a BG about the human male animal and the motivations for sex. The conversation was triggered by her desire for body modification that I disagreed with. She wants to reduce the size of her breasts from the current DD to A. We talked about the potential for loss of income, but that alone fell on deaf ears. She seems to think that the loss will be minimal. So we had a talk about why do brothels exist to service men, but none to service women? She pointed to gay and transgender clubs, but those were social organizations, not direct efforts to satisfy a basic human male or female need. Human males are genetically programed to mate with multiple females. And what triggers that desire? Women / girls who appear to be physically suited for bearing children. When a human male looks across the room and sees a youthful female human with large breasts, a healthy trim waist, and wide hips, his genetic programming is triggered.
Science has given humans the ability to satisfy that genetic programming without the consequences of pregnancy or disease. However, especially in the USA, there is a history of condemning those who seek to satisfy that genetic programming. It is why males flock to Tijuana for the purpose of satisfying their genetic drives..Heyo. Do agree 100% about brothel within walking distance of all is a human right not just a privilege.
Of course yes we can always spank it but that's just a bad substitute to the real thing. Haha.
It is so ridiculous that countries / people condemn it and you would think we would get smarter over time but nope. Nothing really changes that much it seems. So much for "advanced" civilizations.
My first girl friend has small breasts and I am still very attracted to girls who have small breasts. When I mentioned to a few of them about no surgery as they are "perfecto" . I was surprised that many of them agreed and at least to me didn't seem like they were wanting to change.
I would like to screw a few more girls with bigger brests and ass as I normally go for the small spinners but I have been with a few larger girls and was amazed that their personality seemed to make them as hot as the small spinners.
Attached is a pic of one of the larger girls. See was so frickin sexy but not the true spinner type body.
G.
I play a little guitar and the Toby Keith song "I love this bar" fits HK club so much. It's a very simple song to play with just a few basic chords. One of the lines that fits the place so well is "I've even seen dancing' girls and hookers". Well that's all you mostly see in HK but just wanted to share.
Here is the youtube clip link.
https://youtu.be/-Fulz4ytZ54
Speaking of music. Anyone ever request specific music? Tip the DJ etc. Never heard of that but just curious. Seems they really play a specific mix so not sure they do that type of thing.
G.
Aviator400
06-22-22, 01:00
Speaking of body modifications, a few weeks ago when I got to the club, a girl stuck out to me right away. She had a nice tight body with amazing tits and a great, toned, curvy ass. She was easily a top 3 looking girl in the entire club that night and haven't seen her since then. Since she was so hot I figured she would give bad service so didn't even think of approaching her. Saw a few guys buying her fichas but didn't see any of them taking her upstairs. After a couple hours she actually approached me and asked if I wanted to drink with her and I said no thanks. She then asks if I want to go upstairs to have a good time. She saw me hesitate and asked if I didn't think she was hot. I said no quite the opposite, you're very beautiful and have an amazing body. She said let's go upstairs then and quotes me 100. I hesitated again and thought about her naked body and all the positions I would put her in. I countered with 80 thinking she would turn it down, but then she started calculating how much that would be in pesos and to my surprise said ok let's go.
To cut a long story short the session was way better than expected and I had no regrets at all. But after I finished she was looking herself over in the mirror and said I'm going to get some butt implants. I yelled out NOOOO! Don't you dare do that! She then asks, really? I said, are you kidding me? Your ass is perfect. You have a great body. And she goes, I don't know. I said oh please, have you asked any other guys' opinions about this? And she said yeah actually you're about the sixth guy I have brought this up to. So I said ok well what did they say? I can't imagine any of them telling you to do it. She then laughed and said you're right, they all said my body is fine and not to do it. I go, you see? Don't do it, I'm telling you!
But at the end of the day these girls are going to do whatever they want. The thing is they are surrounded by fake asses all day and that makes them feel inferior knowing they have a natural ass instead of a huge albeit man made one.Had a similar conversation with a puta with a perfect ass. She was talking about having a fat transfer to her ass. (Actually, she has almost zero fat to work with, so it makes even less sense.) I told her first, her butt is perfect. Second, such procedures are dangerous and prone to infection. Like you say, they do not listen and I wish I didn't care, but we have all seen bad results.
LuvMexicanas
06-22-22, 05:00
Hey,
Do agree 100% about brothel within walking distance of all is a human right not just a privilege.
Of course yes we can always spank it but that's just a bad substitute to the real thing. Haha.
It is so ridiculous that countries / people condemn it and you would think we would get smarter over time but nope. Nothing really changes that much it seems. So much for "advanced" civilizations.
My first girl friend has small breasts and I am still very attracted to girls who have small breasts. When I mentioned to a few of them about no surgery as they are "perfecto" . I was surprised that many of them agreed and at least to me didn't seem like they were wanting to change.
I would like to screw a few more girls with bigger brests and ass as I normally go for the small spinners but I have been with a few larger girls and was amazed that their personality seemed to make them as hot as the small spinners.
Attached is a pic of one of the larger girls. See was so frickin sexy but not the true spinner type body.
G.That's what I'd call fun size. I tap that any day of the week. Well done.
Met a 25 yo in HK. 2nd night. Her bar dance skills excellent as she previously been working in strip clubs in mexico that don't do sex. Nice girl, visually a 8 or 9. Wanted 120. I spent $ on tips on bar, before fixha. Honestly I can't find woman in HK, and chevelas, while full of woman, its same price as HK. I keep ending up at adelitas. Even a gold palace bar girl I've known for 3 years wanted a 100. I will say for a Tuesday night the girls were going to HK hotel every 30 seconds. Right now gonna stick to 1 drink a girl, a 2 dollar tip, then tinder.
I think that once a HK chica gets a big ass, their business goes down and they end up moving to Adelitas where all the other big ass chicas work. Guys, tell your chicas to visit Adelitas to see if they like the bar because thatbis their new home if they do the implants.
Captain Solo
06-22-22, 19:49
Males are genetically encoded to be attracted to females that are healthy, beautiful, proportional, with sexy features like big boobs, big butts that indicate high fertility, healthiness and strength to bear and raise children.
I would be attracted to nice, natural, healthy, proportioned boobs and butts, big or small, but when the boobs get droopy and butts saggy, they are better off getting some tasteful enhancements, nothing way out of proportions, or they would just drive clients away. 10 years ago, tall, lithe Sasha used to be the sweetest-looking, all natural girl with the prettiest face in HK, hooking guys back to back all night. Now she gained some weight, her arms got beefier, boobs shriveled and droopy. She looks more like a matron, not a young fresh girl. She remains all natural assets but has been having hard time booking clients. She would sit at the bar all night and no one buys her a drink or take her to bed. Hot, pretty Lydia / Marilyn got beefier arms and a paunchy ab after having a kid. She has the same no client problem.
I would settle for tasteful, proportioned enhancements in stead of ugly droopy boobs and saggy butts. Surgeons in Mexico have been doing very bad jobs cranking out huge, twisted, rock hard boobs and butts that look and feel ridiculous. OTOH I met a few girls in China and Vietnam with fake boobs that look healthy, beautiful, feel spongy, springy, natural like the most fertile assets of the finest female specimens. I got so aroused by their sexy beauty that I was screwing them for over an hour, got totally exhausted, but could not pop.
The girl in this pic is one of those girl. She claims all her assets are natural but I have seen that shape before. Hundreds girls must have gone to the same doctors and got the same boobs. The implants are saline or silicone made in Korea, look and feel natural. I can squeeze and suck on those beautiful boobs while driving my dick into her snatch all night to give her pleasure. Just a man natural genetically encoded desires.
Trying to go there soon for the thousands girls with those fabulous boobs and bouncy butts.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-24-22, 06:07
Wow, HK chica invited me to her personal room for the night. No charge. Wow wow wow.
Pepe Le Pew
06-24-22, 07:15
I've been a regular reader for some time, but despite being just 25 minutes drive from the border, I only recently started going to La Zona in earnest. Recently I've found myself a bit of a daytime regular, sometimes up to three lunchtime / early afternoon jaunts per week.
Anyway, a consolidated report of four or five recent HK visits (bear with me, it is long. So mods feel free to make me split it up for readability if required).
1. My first time there worked out very nicely, and in fact, I've struggled to replicate it. From the huge body of guidance on the site, I felt comfortable bypassing the meseros who were ready to pounce on any newcomer, and take a tour around the club at my own pace. It was. I think. A Tuesday, and only maybe 12 noon, but despite this I saw (at least to my naive eyes) a variety of good talent. That said, I had already downed a couple of stronger beers at Mamut brewery before, so take that with a grain of salt. Anyway, after my second lap, I settled on a girl standing close to the stage. Strong red lipstick, braces (not everyone's taste, but I like them), and a natural physique (I have a penchant for small natural breasts). I invited her to sit and we chatted (I'm not native level, but my Spanish is decent). She was flirty and touchy without being over the top. Gave what I ascertained later was her real name. I think we just had one drink before we went upstairs. She pitched at $100, and my natural disinclination for negotiation kicked in (plus the various beers I'd had), so I agreed. Realizing I might have had enough to drink, I just took bottled water as my "generously" included drink with the room. In the room, she really opened up to deep kissing (she'd been reluctant downstairs because of the inevitable mess with her lipstick). Working girl or not, I can't resist going down on an attractive girl, and I spent quite a few minutes doing so (digitally penetrating front and rear entrances in the process). All smelled and tasted good. Coming up for air, and more DFK, we found ourselves. Without much thought on either part, apparently. In a BBFS situation. Missionary at first, some from the rear, some sucking in between, and then legs up in the air to finish. She seemed genuinely surprised that, despite going at it all uncovered, la leche had indeed been deposited inside. There was some talk of "But what if I get pregnant? Which seemed somewhat unlikely on the face of it (are some girls really not on some long term birth control? And in any case was a dead end once I showed my vasectomy scar. Really nice girl. Seemed genuine. Got her number, but the trail went cold (WhatsApp messages not even showing as delivered, so maybe she changed it for some reason). Haven't seen her since.
I didn't manage to get down again that week, but the next week was a Monday-Wednesday-Friday special.
2. The Monday I did my lap and was bummed to not see anything that caught my eye. I then made an eye-opening lap around Tropical and Adelitas, which. Let me tell you. Had exceedingly slim pickings on a Monday lunchtime. Seriously, maybe four or five girls in each. Depressing, but only for the 30 seconds I was in each. Back to HK, and I installed myself at the bar. I've since really taken to sitting at the bar for one or two drinks when I arrive (at least during the day there are always seats open, even at the lower bar). Very little bother from meseros or the more aggressively self-marketing girls, compared to when sitting at a booth. Eventually, a girl caught my eye, and we sat for a drink. Two, in the end, I think. She was definitely a little more distant, and the conversation was lacking. She made up for this my plonking herself on my lap, and doing some gentle bounce-heavy dancing. Each to his own, but it's not really my bag. Anyway, despite the lack of the strong connection I'd had with my previous girl, I decided to see what arriba was like. I pitched this time at $80 (instead of countering her inevitable higher cost). She asked "No cien?" ("Not one hundred? But there were no more complaints. We went upstairs, and the session was probably predictable in hindsight. Lacked the passion. Kissing was much more restrained to LFK. CBJ. CFS. For the first time when going at it with a girl, I was on the verge of just stopping before the finale, and going back down to try to find a girl I really wanted to finish with, but in the end I just let it go (figuratively and literally). Didn't ask for her number. Have seen her most of the times since I've been back. I think her name was given as Irene, but I'm not sure. She's definitely pretty, but I found her just a little cold.
3. Wednesday I went and it was. What appeared to be a 60's theme (although a guy I got chatting to at the bar pointed out it was supposed to be 80's. I guess many of the girls were born well into the 90's or beyond, so that may all be a bit of a blur to them). Anyway, the outfits were definitely interesting in their variety, even if they did tend to show less than the typical attire. I sat for quite a while at the bar, doing my lap round a few times, but nothing really catching my eye. Eventually a girl appeared who was young, lighter haired than most (although far from bleach blonde), and looked very sweet. I approached and although I addressed her in Spanish, she replied immediately "Do you speak English? In an accent that really confused me initially. She didn't sound like your typical Mexican (or more broadly native Spanish speaker) speaking English as a second language. She didn't sound exactly like she was from the US, but she had definitely been working not just on the language (which was good to very good) but the accent too. She's so far the only girl I've spent any time with conversing in English. Goes by Amunet (a name which required repetition multiple times to every mesero we engaged with). We had a few drinks in a booth, and she was just lovely. So very sweet. Innocent (at least that's how she strikes you). Not pushy at all. Anyway, after a few drinks, we sort of mutually proposed going somewhere more private (obviously we meant an arriba session, but we were both a little coy about calling it out as such). Once we got into the room, I realized we hadn't even discussed money. Which put me in a bad spot. I mean, I'd already paid for the room, and I genuinely did want her. So, when she indicated a firm $150. I had to take it on the chin, and accept it as a reminder to always agree before going up. Despite even the BJ being covered, the session was really great. A lot of deep kissing right to the end, and such a sweet girl throughout. We've conversed on WhatsApp a fair bit since then, but when she started talking about $500+ for a couple of hours together outside the club (which, fair enough, if she's taking the day off work to do so, she wants to recoup the lost potential income), I realized that it wasn't going to represent good value, and I'll stick to seeing her at HK if our paths cross again.
4. The Friday routine was similar to start, spotted another natural girl with braces (Elizabeta? We chatted for quite a while. Maybe four drinks. Meseros must have pitched me buying some food for the girl ten times in as many minutes. For the first time, I broached in advance the topic of what going arriba with her was like, and she clarified that her kisses were on the lighter side, and that everything was covered. There was definitely a good connection in terms of the conversation, but it seemed like upstairs it would lack the passion I seek, so I called it a day there. I was seriously running short on time to get back to SD, so I picked an unremarkable street girl for an oral-only session. My street girl experience is limited to just a couple so far, and I can't say I've gotten out of those sessions any more than the $30-or-so I spent, but it's always done the job.
5. Final report to include (I appreciate at this point it's quite the wall of text):
This Tuesday I managed to get down for a couple of hours, and enjoyed sitting for a drink with a few girls. Amanda. Red-ish hair, juicy lips, bigger breasts than my usual picks, but these seem accentuated by her recent liposuction. - was very nice to spend some time with. Very friendly, open, suitably touchy-feely without groping me aggressively. I would definitely have taken her upstairs if she'd asked (and had given an acceptable idea of how it would go. Although I think she'd have been a good kisser), but as she didn't, I let her go, and sat with another (whose name I don't recall, although I've definitely seen her multiple times during the day). Small chest, very pretty, tiny nose ring. Decent conversation. She did suggest arriba, but I wasn't captivated enough, so told her about my rule (created in my head just two seconds prior) of sitting with at least three girls before picking one to go upstairs with. She promised she'd wait for me, but I was running short of time again, so I left without meeting my own minimum requirement. There were a couple of girls I'd have made a move on, had they not been otherwise engaged (one shorter girl with full angel wings tattooed on her back looked like the sort of trouble I'd like to get in to; and a taller girl with really short black hair, who was dancing on the stage, could have been very interesting, had another gringo not been feeding her dollar after dollar until he pounced as soon as she was off the stage). In the end, I headed back to la linea without getting my end wet at all, but I had a good time, and returned home with much more money than I'd expected, so what more can you ask for?
Thanks for bearing with me on this one.
That's what I'd call fun size. I tap that any day of the week. Well done.Ya. She was great size.
Heading to Tijuana Friday afternoon if anyone is down there and wants to connect up message me.
G.
Speaking of music. Anyone ever request specific music? Tip the DJ etc. Never heard of that but just curious. Seems they really play a specific mix so not sure they do that type of thing.You can always tip the DJ to get a certain song played. Depending on the bar it may cost as little as $2 to as much as $5. The problem is that a place like HK and AB have a certain type of music that they want to play and some genres won't get played.
Once we got into the room, I realized we hadn't even discussed money. Which put me in a bad spot. I mean, I'd already paid for the room, and I genuinely did want her. So, when she indicated a firm $150. I had to take it on the chin, and accept it as a reminder to always agree before going up. Despite even the BJ being covered, the session was really great. A lot of deep kissing right to the end, and such a sweet girl throughout. We've conversed on WhatsApp a fair bit since then, but when she started talking about $500+ for a couple of hours together outside the club (which, fair enough, if she's taking the day off work to do so, she wants to recoup the lost potential income), I realized that it wasn't going to represent good value, and I'll stick to seeing her at HK if our paths cross again.Well when your new I'd discuss price before hand but remember that once your in the room your not obligated to pay if nothing has been done, some even say that you will be credited the room. Personally I have never had this type of issue with a girl so the need to refund or credit me the room wasn't an issue. I never discuss price with the girl when we are together just go to the room have fun and pay what I feel is fair market value. Never had a girl get upset or demand more. And no I'm not cheap I always give a Ben and if they do something special they get more. Since it was your first time I can understand that you didn't want to make any waves and she seemed to give decent service so it just goes in your lesson learned box and your out a few extra bucks.
Captain Solo
06-25-22, 06:33
ABAJoeSmith.
Check under her bed. A priest might be hiding, ready to spring up to perform a wedding ceremony the minute you cave to her marriage proposal.
Wow.
Wow, HK chica invited me to her personal room for the night. No charge. Wow wow wow.
Cocr Brotheler
06-25-22, 07:13
Wow, HK chica invited me to her personal room for the night. No charge. Wow wow wow.That's awesome! Thumbs up ABA!
I was planning on taking a swing through HK later today (Saturday) with a friend but it turns it he won't be able to make it. Although I have been to HK a few times on my own it always is a lot more fun with at least one other person (friend) so if anyone was thinking of visiting later today (Saturday) and wouldn't mind linking up to see the sights and enjoy the time let me know I will even spring for the the first round or two who knows?
Ya. She was great size.
Heading to Tijuana Friday afternoon if anyone is down there and wants to connect up message me.
G.I am planning to head down for a Saturday visit if you are up to visiting again Saturday let's link up and have a few. I'll buy the first round or two.
Got down to the border about 4 pm. Parked for $12 next to Jack in the Box (good for 8 hours).
Wandered over to the HK Limo pickup location instead of taking a taxi. (if always feel a little guilty doing this but it just feels a little safer). I had one experience with a Taxi driver a couple years ago and he wasn't mentally stable so. Just playing it safe. Another bro was waiting for the HK taxi and it's always fun talking to fellow mongers as you would never get this opportunity if you take a local taxi. Bro was from LA and we also connected up in HK for a bit to have a beer etc.
They seem to have lowered the sound level a bit so that's a bit better for trying to talk to the girls.
Met new spinner called Grace from Mexico City and she was wonderful and you can see her pic below. So proud of myself for remembering some of the great tips that I normally forget to do. I checked when we got in the room what time it was! So I knew when 30 minutes would be up. Also took my time (which I never do) with this girl. 20 minutes of just loving her body. Little light kissing which is rare that many girls will let you do. Before we agreed to go arriba I asked if I could take a picture of her (no head). She pondered and then said ok.
After Arriba with Grace I met another girl from Tijuana that had absolutely no tits whatsoever but I love the small body so it didn't really matter.
I loved sharing time with her in the private room for $23 and next time she is number 1 for me to fuck. Before going to the private room we agreed that she would take off all her clothes. When in the private room I dropped my shorts and she proceeded to stroke me as she let me put my fingers I her pussy. If Junior wasn't wore out from fucking Grace an hour before I would have spanked it to come etc. I think there is some rule about not doing that in those rooms but she didn't really care!! And nobody told me you can't and they can't really enforce it anyway.
When leaving HK I could have taken a taxi but again. I just feel safer taking HK taxi. (I always tip $5). Again met some cool guys heading back to the border again and good to share what their experience was (it was 20 years since they had been to Tijuana and had never been to Zona Norte).
Just curious if anyone goes back on Saturday's nights about 9 pm? Was there much of a wait (for those without Global Entry) Friday nights are very good about that time. Hardily any wait at all.
I also talked to the US border guard when crossing and he gave me a email address to inquire about why the pulled my global entry. He was such a cool guy. It's amazing how a few guards are dicks but most others seem to have some compassion and try to be helpful.
-G.
Baxter Slade
06-25-22, 19:21
You can always tip the DJ to get a certain song played. Depending on the bar it may cost as little as $2 to as much as $5. The problem is that a place like HK and AB have a certain type of music that they want to play and some genres won't get played.Yea the problem with places like HK they think they are to good to take your requests unless they happen to fall into there playlists. However go in those 2nd tier bars and a $1 will get your songs played right away.
Pre pandemic the Gold Palace DJ would remember all our favorites and just start playing them as soon as we walked in the door.
Funny how badly people talk about marrying a Sex Worker. What is so great about marrying anyone? All but 2 people I know got separated. Every married person I know stopped having sex except to make kids.
Pretty much whoever you marry protect your money and be ready for it to be temporary. I get the risks special to sex workers but on the real. Every marriage is risk to the income earner.
Things are starting to get back to what I saw before Covid. On my recent trip two hotties would not do drinks and only wanted sex. A few asked for more than $100.
Very cute girl that was doing all the right things up to asking price wanted $150. At this point I typically get up and leave. Depending on how I feel I may not even wait for them to finish the drink. I liked her vibe a lot so I asked her why she said $150. She said she is new and people told her to ask that. I been going a lot since April (for me) and never seen her so maybe she is new. Maybe it was not true. I told her that $100 is standard fee. She quickly went down to $100.
Think girls asking for more just hoping a sucker says ok.
Ok my report may not be for everyone. I been going more since April but my typical trips involve 4-5 trips a year. I do not go down every week with $150-200. I save up and bring a wad of cash. I get a room as typically I will save money on short rooms in HK / Tropical / Street girls alone. It is also nice to have a room. So if going down for a one night fuck fest with a target some where between 5-10 fucks is not for you then this report may not be for you.
I always start off with my free drink in HK. I typically get higher end Don Julio. Costs me $9 so that is a good free drink imo. Survey the scene. Target rich environment. See a girl I fucked 15 years ago. She is older and bigger but has one dude wrapped around her finger. I easily could pick half a dozen girls who get past my first filter. My wingman and I decide to talk a walk. Check out the street talent. We end up seeing a good number of cute girls on the streets. Need to be quick on the hot ones. Four were not there on 2nd loop. We ended up in Chicago. I ended up boning a girl there even though I need to pay for the room. She is not even top 3 in girls I had on this trip so no need to go into details. She was good just not next level which is what I look for.
Tropical had their event going. One thing I learned about events. The girls are more interested in the event than making money. I boned a really young cute nice body girl from Tropical. One of the few I could pry away. While she was young with nice body she was worst sex of the trip. Tight young pussy felt great. Firm tits. Even did some kissing. Not cute enough to call a trophy fuck. She helped me break in my room.
Got my first catch in HK around 10 PM. By now the place is rocking. Probably 1 dozen hot girls of each persons type and 20-30 good looking girls not my type. My type when looking for sex workers is petite with curves. Nice boobs but does not need to be big. Curvy ass but ok if little small or little big. Not looking for the girl who may have fake ass. I actually like girls a little more curvy but not fat. What I am looking for in terms of great sex worker is a petite girl. Not my first pick looks wise but these girls dominate my best sex list. The first girl matches that. Petite, fake boobs, small body but heart shaped booty. She says she is 21 and looks accurate. Passes drink test. Speaks some English but that is just a bonus. Gets through all my filters. End up in room doing GFE (covered) type stuff, sexy dancing and all over each other. She likes what I do and I like what she does. Good sex skills. Sometimes I am not certain if the girl enjoys it or if she is just really good at faking it. This girl liked what I did no doubt in my mind. You do the things I do enough it becomes obvious. Got her number. 2nd best of the night. Her club name is Falla. We talking about next time.
Next HK girl was best. She was full on petite. Natural be size boobs. Not a lot of shape in booty but not flat either. She was in red bikini dancing on bar table around 4-5 AM. Lot of dudes drooling over her. No much tipping going on which only annoyed me because I wanted to get a closer look. After another loop around the club I came back and she was in the stair area where all the girls hang out. Stood next to her. She spoke little English as well. Again not one of my filters just a bonus. We do the drink. She passes all my tests. Quickly agreed to price. Up to room we go. It was even more GFE (covered). She enjoyed what I did even more. Really good skills. This girl was definitely not faking her enjoyment. We went a little past the 30 minutes. We showered together and rubbed each other a lot in shower. She ended up on my bed really liking the lotion I was putting on. She took towel off and asked me to apply lotion to her body. Full body. We all know where this lead. We ended up spending so much time in the room I was surprised never got a knock on the door. She got a good tip for time and for really good skills. She did not ask for it but deserved it. I forgot her club name as it was kind of unusual. Got her real name and number. We blowing up each other's phone.
Next couple hours was about sleep and food. Does not take much sleep to get me back on the hunt. In fact almost impossible to go back to sleep once I wake up knowing all these hot latinas wanting to fuck.
About 10 AM was up and at the club again. Got another $9 free drink. You would be surprised how many cute girls are in the club at this time. Not as good as it use to be. Obviously not as good as night time. Have found some gems at this time. Want to saw it was March last time I saw one of my ATF morning girls Baby done her three times in the morning over the years. She was not there this day. Did find Shalia. Cute natural petite girl. Like last girl had a flawless body. No kids all natural and beautiful. I think this girl could have used some training in how to attract men with her personality. She spent a lot of time on her phone before I picked her. She did look up for a little bit and looked fun when she did but went back to her phone. I saw enough to know I could get through to her. We went through the drink process. She easily passed all my filters. Quickly agreed to price. She was not quite a GFE but lot of fun. I think she was good at faking things. Like should get an award good. Good enough for me to brag about giving 4 orgasms over the trip but I know it was only 3. She enjoyed what I did but it took longer than usual and she the finish. Have ideas but this is not the place to play amateur psychologist. She is good at sex. Tried to skip pass the blow job but I never let that pass. Seeing my dick in the mouth of a pretty Latina is a must for me. Once she had it in her mouth she was really good with it. Got her pussy fucked just as good as all the other girls. Got her number.
My wingman was done. I could have pulled another. Ended up going home just short of $1,000 in my pocket. Shared stories with wingman. Started planning the next trip. Already have a grand towards it.
Ok my report may not be for everyone. I been going more since April but my typical trips involve 4-5 trips a year. I do not go down every week with $150-200. I save up and bring a wad of cash. I get a room as typically I will save money on short rooms in HK / Tropical / Street girls alone. It is also nice to have a room. So if going down for a one night fuck fest with a target some where between 5-10 fucks is not for you then this report may not be for you.
I always start off with my free drink in HK. I typically get higher end Don Julio. Costs me $9 so that is a good free drink imo. Survey the scene. Target rich environment. See a girl I fucked 15 years ago. She is older and bigger but has one dude wrapped around her finger. I easily could pick half a dozen girls who get past my first filter. My wingman and I decide to talk a walk. Check out the street talent. We end up seeing a good number of cute girls on the streets. Need to be quick on the hot ones. Four were not there on 2nd loop. We ended up in Chicago. I ended up boning a girl there even though I need to pay for the room. She is not even top 3 in girls I had on this trip so no need to go into details. She was good just not next level which is what I look for.
Tropical had their event going. One thing I learned about events. The girls are more interested in the event than making money. I boned a really young cute nice body girl from Tropical. One of the few I could pry away. While she was young with nice body she was worst sex of the trip. Tight young pussy felt great. Firm tits. Even did some kissing. Not cute enough to call a trophy fuck. She helped me break in my room.
Got my first catch in HK around 10 PM. By now the place is rocking. Probably 1 dozen hot girls of each persons type and 20-30 good looking girls not my type. My type when looking for sex workers is petite with curves. Nice boobs but does not need to be big. Curvy ass but ok if little small or little big. Not looking for the girl who may have fake ass. I actually like girls a little more curvy but not fat. What I am looking for in terms of great sex worker is a petite girl. Not my first pick looks wise but these girls dominate my best sex list. The first girl matches that. Petite, fake boobs, small body but heart shaped booty. She says she is 21 and looks accurate. Passes drink test. Speaks some English but that is just a bonus. Gets through all my filters. End up in room doing GFE (covered) type stuff, sexy dancing and all over each other. She likes what I do and I like what she does. Good sex skills. Sometimes I am not certain if the girl enjoys it or if she is just really good at faking it. This girl liked what I did no doubt in my mind. You do the things I do enough it becomes obvious. Got her number. 2nd best of the night. Her club name is Falla. We talking about next time.
Next HK girl was best. She was full on petite. Natural be size boobs. Not a lot of shape in booty but not flat either. She was in red bikini dancing on bar table around 4-5 AM. Lot of dudes drooling over her. No much tipping going on which only annoyed me because I wanted to get a closer look. After another loop around the club I came back and she was in the stair area where all the girls hang out. Stood next to her. She spoke little English as well. Again not one of my filters just a bonus. We do the drink. She passes all my tests. Quickly agreed to price. Up to room we go. It was even more GFE (covered). She enjoyed what I did even more. Really good skills. This girl was definitely not faking her enjoyment. We went a little past the 30 minutes. We showered together and rubbed each other a lot in shower. She ended up on my bed really liking the lotion I was putting on. She took towel off and asked me to apply lotion to her body. Full body. We all know where this lead. We ended up spending so much time in the room I was surprised never got a knock on the door. She got a good tip for time and for really good skills. She did not ask for it but deserved it. I forgot her club name as it was kind of unusual. Got her real name and number. We blowing up each other's phone.
Next couple hours was about sleep and food. Does not take much sleep to get me back on the hunt. In fact almost impossible to go back to sleep once I wake up knowing all these hot latinas wanting to fuck.
About 10 AM was up and at the club again. Got another $9 free drink. You would be surprised how many cute girls are in the club at this time. Not as good as it use to be. Obviously not as good as night time. Have found some gems at this time. Want to saw it was March last time I saw one of my ATF morning girls Baby done her three times in the morning over the years. She was not there this day. Did find Shalia. Cute natural petite girl. Like last girl had a flawless body. No kids all natural and beautiful. I think this girl could have used some training in how to attract men with her personality. She spent a lot of time on her phone before I picked her. She did look up for a little bit and looked fun when she did but went back to her phone. I saw enough to know I could get through to her. We went through the drink process. She easily passed all my filters. Quickly agreed to price. She was not quite a GFE but lot of fun. I think she was good at faking things. Like should get an award good. Good enough for me to brag about giving 4 orgasms over the trip but I know it was only 3. She enjoyed what I did but it took longer than usual and she the finish. Have ideas but this is not the place to play amateur psychologist. She is good at sex. Tried to skip pass the blow job but I never let that pass. Seeing my dick in the mouth of a pretty Latina is a must for me. Once she had it in her mouth she was really good with it. Got her pussy fucked just as good as all the other girls. Got her number.
My wingman was done. I could have pulled another. Ended up going home just short of $1,000 in my pocket. Shared stories with wingman. Started planning the next trip. Already have a grand towards it.Question, what is the drink process and the filters you use to determine whether or not a girl is going to be fun in the room? I've tried a few different things and I have yet to find that "thing" that seems to be the true indicator of "fun".
ABAJoeSmith123
06-26-22, 03:49
I did a "luke powell" and saved a hooker. HK chica says she has chosen to leave the club forever for me. LOL. I wonder how long this will last.
Things are starting to get back to what I saw before Covid. On my recent trip two hotties would not do drinks and only wanted sex. A few asked for more than $100.
Very cute girl that was doing all the right things up to asking price wanted $150. At this point I typically get up and leave. Depending on how I feel I may not even wait for them to finish the drink. I liked her vibe a lot so I asked her why she said $150. She said she is new and people told her to ask that. I been going a lot since April (for me) and never seen her so maybe she is new. Maybe it was not true. I told her that $100 is standard fee. She quickly went down to $100.
Think girls asking for more just hoping a sucker says ok.I asked a gal I was with (Grace from Mexico City) how much it would be for an hour and she quoted $150. Which didn't sound too bad. Anyone else get quotes for an hour like that with HK girls?
-G.
Big Magick
06-26-22, 07:09
Funny how badly people talk about marrying a Sex Worker. What is so great about marrying anyone? All but 2 people I know got separated. Every married person I know stopped having sex except to make kids.
Pretty much whoever you marry protect your money and be ready for it to be temporary. I get the risks special to sex workers but on the real. Every marriage is risk to the income earner.The truth right here. Stripper or not relationships usually turn sour one way or the other. And for over a year girls have been trying to quote 150 $. They always tell the staff trains them to say that and these dumb broads do it. Some other poster mentioned thos theory and I think hes right.
They tel the girls to quote high so the dudes will arriba less and ficha more because that's where Hk really makes their money. Sounds like a solid theory to me. I suppose they could attract more talent as wel by advertising that guys will pay 15 $ or maybe even more for sex.
Big Magick
06-26-22, 07:14
ABAJoeSmith.
Check under her bed. A priest might be hiding, ready to spring up to perform a wedding ceremony the minute you cave to her marriage proposal.
Wow.
Wow, HK chica invited me to her personal room for the night. No charge. Wow wow wow.It happens. In my hundred plus visits it happened to me once a few months back at tropical. Cute girl, we weree both very intoxicated and I told her I didn't feel like paying for sex (I was going through something and wasnt in the mood) but she surprisingly said " lets go I won't charge you". Was one for the record books forsure.
It happens. In my hundred plus visits it happened to me once a few months back at tropical. Cute girl, we were both very intoxicated and I told her I didn't feel like paying for sex (I was going through something and wasn't in the mood) but she surprisingly said " lets go I won't charge you". Was one for the record books for sure.I was at Adelita at 4 am one time, down to my last $40. I was drinking with a chica and she asked if I wanted to arriba and I showed her that's all I had left and she said, cool, lets go LOL. Not free but I'll take a 50% discount where I can get it.
ABAJoeSmith123
06-26-22, 19:18
It happens. In my hundred plus visits it happened to me once a few months back at tropical. Cute girl, we weree both very intoxicated and I told her I didn't feel like paying for sex (I was going through something and wasnt in the mood) but she surprisingly said " lets go I won't charge you". Was one for the record books forsure.She took me to her apartment. We watched a movie together in her bed and then she ravaged me for well over an hour. Total time spent in her apartment, probably 4 hours. Her apartment was pretty damn ghetto though.
My filters have multiple levels. There is an appearance filter we all do. We each have our own first impression filters.
Next I look for attitude. Is she actively selling her wares like a good customer service rep or does she have her head buried in her phone for 20 minutes or more. How does she react when I give her a dollar. How do she react when I offer her a drink. When we sit down how aggressive is she on selling the sex. Does she sit on my lap and start giving me kisses. Does she take her top off and start grinding my dick like sex with me would be the answer to all of her problems.
Next I ask questions during the drink. I push the boundaries of what I can physically do. It is not just what she will allow but how she responds.
My questions usually start with name, where she from and hold old. Basically the first part of the conversation is my practicing my Spanish while I test her physical boundaries. Then I suggest people start asking the questions important to them about service. Each person is different. Ask the questions important to you.
Does she like oral sex.
Does she like to be spanked.
Does she like anal.
Does she like to have sex with other girls.
You can write down these questions. None of them are mine. I suggest you find your own. What is important to you. Do not just see what she says in response but watch how she responds.
Usually before a girl is done with her first drink I know if we going to have fun or not. I have not actually done the numbers but at this point I think I am about 90% likely to find a good time upstairs. Problem is sometimes I want a girl so badly I let some things go. Even the average experience upstairs is good as I am not usually looking for something specific like some guys. If I need something specific I have regulars I can usually find to meet those needs.
Question, what is the drink process and the filters you use to determine whether or not a girl is going to be fun in the room? I've tried a few different things and I have yet to find that "thing" that seems to be the true indicator of "fun".
I asked a gal I was with (Grace from Mexico City) how much it would be for an hour and she quoted $150. Which didn't sound too bad. Anyone else get quotes for an hour like that with HK girls?
-G.I can end up spending more than 30 minutes with a girl.
More often than not the girl wants 200 for an hour. It can start going down after that. Typically sometimes an hour in or little later a knock will come at the door of a waiter asking me to buy beers.
Over a year ago I have gotten things like 2 hours for 100 dollars. One girl street girl who I liked gave me 5 hours for 300. In the last year I have gotten 2 hours for 150. These are unusual finds. Typically they will ask 100 per 30 min.
When I establish a connection the discounts start to come on some girls. It is possible to establish the connection on first meeting but that is rare for me.
This one girl who is married to another girl still gives me straight 100 per 30 min no matter how much I push her buttons. Pretty impressive how well she sticks to her business model. It is one of the reasons I like her so much. Maybe in the top 5 of reasons I like her. I just got my first chance to push a specific button. Think I hit is good. We will see on next session if she is still sticking to the 100 per 30 min. Girls who marry other girls can be the most difficult to get the discounts.
Pepe Le Pew
06-26-22, 21:34
Just the night after I posted my mega-report, I headed back down midday on Friday to see what was up. Ideally I was hoping to find Amunet, the very sweet young girl who had played me for $150, but instead right off the bat I bumped into the first girl I'd met at HK. Since I hadn't seen her for a few weeks, and her number had gone dead, we sat to chat and have a drink. After a couple of drinks, and hoping to see if the BBFS was just a one off, I took her upstairs. It wasn't a one off (although of course I'm the "only one" she's ever done that with.), but the session was otherwise a bit disappointing. She was coming off the end of her period, and seemed to be in real discomfort with any real penetration. I opened up the door for an oral finish, but after a couple of minutes of sucking, she lay back to take the leche adentro, so I obliged. That said, I don't love when a girl is wincing in discomfort while I'm having a good time. I think that one has probably run its course, and I wouldn't rush back for more. Plenty more fish in the sea, and perhaps the lesson that I took away from that is that if a girl really leaves an impression on you on the first session, maybe just keep it in the memory bank, and don't go back to double check.
Met new spinner called Grace from Mexico City and she was wonderful and you can see her pic below.
-G.If Grace had braces I've seen her twice and enjoyed both times very much. Nice girl!
AmorPorFavor
06-26-22, 22:16
I asked a gal I was with (Grace from Mexico City) how much it would be for an hour and she quoted $150. Which didn't sound too bad. Anyone else get quotes for an hour like that with HK girls?
-G.ON Tuesday night I got an hour for $100. She actually blew me without a condom for over a half hour straight before I opened up a condom. We did not discuss time in the club. I just knew it was going to be good during the one ficha so didn't ask.
The truth right here. Stripper or not relationships usually turn sour one way or the other. And for over a year girls have been trying to quote 150 $. They always tell the staff trains them to say that and these dumb broads do it. Some other poster mentioned thos theory and I think hes right.
They tel the girls to quote high so the dudes will arriba less and ficha more because that's where HK really makes their money. Sounds like a solid theory to me. I suppose they could attract more talent as wel by advertising that guys will pay 15 $ or maybe even more for sex.One of the girls I met said they only get $2 per drink ticket and she was totally oblivious to how much my drink or her drink cost. She just said the guy pays the bill and she just makes sure to tuck the drink ticket in her purse. She did say a lady that works for the club told her she had too many Arribas and not enough drinks. So I'm guessing their overhead isn't paid from just the short time room and they would prefer drink sales as it is faster money for them to turn. Why have a monger pay the bar girl $80-$100 when it could be used for higher rate of return on drink sales? Business is business and they have to make sure to cover their overhead. I am sure if it is an all cash business, then ripe for opportunity to launder money for other illegal activities.
On another note, I don't see the heartache over the costs of bar girls. Probably 10-15 years ago you'the pay $60-$80. Almost a decade later it is $80-$100. I don't see it being as bad a value compared to other international destinations. The only thing off putting that others have mentioned are door knocks, which I never experienced, but the hobby is very YMMV. Any sex worker with half a brain is going to try and get as much money in the least amount of time possible. I've heard stories where one bar girl said a guy was taking a shower before the activities started and he busted just by rubbing junior on her butt. She said she cleaned up, dried off, took the money and it was the fastest $100 she ever made. Enjoy it for what it is P4P. Have fun and stay safe!
LuvMexicanas
06-26-22, 23:35
Her apartment was pretty damn ghetto though.How is that possible? You previously argued that hot Hong Kong chicas make $5,000 some weeks. Let's be conservative and say she makes that 12 out of 52 weeks. That's $60,000 just those weeks alone on top of what she makes without hitting $5,000 during the other weeks she elects to work. How could her apartment be so ghetto if she's making all that cheddar?
My filters have multiple levels. There is an appearance filter we all do. We each have our own first impression filters.
Next I look for attitude. Is she actively selling her wares like a good customer service rep or does she have her head buried in her phone for 20 minutes or more. How does she react when I give her a dollar. How do she react when I offer her a drink. When we sit down how aggressive is she on selling the sex. Does she sit on my lap and start giving me kisses. Does she take her top off and start grinding my dick like sex with me would be the answer to all of her problems.
Next I ask questions during the drink. I push the boundaries of what I can physically do. It is not just what she will allow but how she responds.
My questions usually start with name, where she from and hold old. Basically the first part of the conversation is my practicing my Spanish while I test her physical boundaries. Then I suggest people start asking the questions important to them about service. Each person is different. Ask the questions important to you.
Does she like oral sex.
Does she like to be spanked.
Does she like anal.
Does she like to have sex with other girls.
You can write down these questions. None of them are mine. I suggest you find your own. What is important to you. Do not just see what she says in response but watch how she responds.
Usually before a girl is done with her first drink I know if we going to have fun or not. I have not actually done the numbers but at this point I think I am about 90% likely to find a good time upstairs. Problem is sometimes I want a girl so badly I let some things go. Even the average experience upstairs is good as I am not usually looking for something specific like some guys. If I need something specific I have regulars I can usually find to meet those needs.I know what you mean about some of these things and I am familiar with a few of them also. I was in HK last night I really liked the way one of the chicas moved while on the dance floor so I asked her to come sit with me for drink and some conversation. When she got her drink she did a bit off dancing for me and I gave her a few tips, but never did she once grind on me like you mentioned and when I tried to get her to removed her top for me at the table she wouldn't do it. To me this was an immediate sign of "danger" so I just finished my drink with her and let her move on. I later found another one that caught my eye and did the same with her. This one did stroke me a little bit but mentioned a few things that should have been warning signs that either I missed or chose to overlook. Long story short I took her up and it was one of the worst experiences yet. Although she was hot she said she did not do oral and only offer a HJ and what should have been the biggest tell of them all was as soon as we arrived at my room she asked for money up front and immediately set a timer on her phone. I need to do better at screening / filtering because I noticed a few of the chicas last night were asking higher and higher prices for their time and if that is going to be the case going forward I don't want to making bad selections if you know what I mean.
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