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Explorer8939
12-26-23, 11:03
Hello all,
I'm considering a trip to Tijuana in early January. The flight I would take to San Diego arrives at 7:30 pm. Can I take the blue line down to San Ysidro at that time? I've been in the afternoon but never in the evening. Also I heard PedWest is closed. Will I be able to cross into Tijuana from San Ysidro? What time does the border crossing close? TIA.There is a free shuttle bus from the airport to the Old Town trolley station.
You have plenty of time to make it to Tijuana via the trolley.
DonCarlos1234
12-26-23, 13:08
I think some are confusing 2 different things. The ninth floor is the last floor of the hotel and has big baller suites. You can see them on the website and the prices. Those would be good places if you have a bachelor party or something and wan privacy.
The 10th floor is the club they built during COVID but by the time they finished it the COVID restrictions were mostly over. It's was talked about by a few guys on this board but wasn't anything special, if I remember correctly they woul close HK at 5 am and tell people to go to the 10th floor to party more but most just left since most girls were done by that time. I remember at one time they were forcing the waiters to go and work for 1 hour in that club and they all hated it. Not much business and a very stale or boring atmosphere.
I have no idea if the still use it I haven't bothered asking about it for at least a year.I'm going to do some research, call some people that have worked up there and see. Also ask the head waiters I know: https://hotelcascadas.com/rooms/9th-floor-baller-room-the-entire-9th-floor I would post photos of the talent up there but I would get in trouble. "bad luck & trouble are my only friends" LOL In 3 weeks I will check it out in person.
I'm going to do some research, call some people that have worked up there and see. Also ask the head waiters I know: https://hotelcascadas.com/rooms/9th-floor-baller-room-the-entire-9th-floor I would post photos of the talent up there but I would get in trouble. "bad luck & trouble are my only friends" LOL In 3 weeks I will check it out in person.I think you were looking at the blue print on the pics for the 9th floor that showed a pool but I think that was the blue print for what was previously the 10th floor baller suite. If memory serves me well they had the "best suite" on the 10th floor. When COVID hit and the 7th floor set up was hard to manage they decided to make the 10th floor suite into an actual club.
The 9th floor suite and its amenities are described on the website with no mention of a pool just private jacuzzi and a pool table. If you do a search you can see pics of the pool they had before. Also if you want a baller suite with a pool at a much lower price they still have one at the Rizo hotel.
If so, perhaps you can share your experience. I figure it would be dead.
If so, perhaps you can share your experience. I figure it would be dead.Don't expect the usual weekend or holiday buzz for Christmas day and New Years day and the week in between. There will be women but most will be gone. New Years day particularity will be dead. The eve is ok but I remember annoying drunk US dudes than anything else the last time I was in new years eve in the zona.
BrotherMouzone
12-26-23, 21:38
There is a free shuttle bus from the airport to the Old Town trolley station.
You have plenty of time to make it to Tijuana via the trolley.Typically a bit quicker to take the 992 bus into downtown San Diego and transfer to the blue line trolley there (since the Old Town station is actually a bit further from Tijuana than the airport is. That shuttle bus is actually taking you a bit further from where you want to go), though I guess just taking the blue line straight to San Ysidro may be more straightforward or some.
Typically a bit quicker to take the 992 bus into downtown San Diego and transfer to the blue line trolley there (since the Old Town station is actually a bit further from Tijuana than the airport is. That shuttle bus is actually taking you a bit further from where you want to go), though I guess just taking the blue line straight to San Ysidro may be more straightforward or some.Agree, the old town shuttle is free but takes you north and the wait for the blue line is longer there than the America plaza station because there is another blue line that turns back to san Yisidro at that station. The pay for the 992 bus is only $2:50 although I buy a card at the kiosk in the airport and just fill that up with a day pass.
Explorer8939
12-26-23, 23:12
Typically a bit quicker to take the 992 bus into downtown San Diego and transfer to the blue line trolley there (since the Old Town station is actually a bit further from Tijuana than the airport is. That shuttle bus is actually taking you a bit further from where you want to go), though I guess just taking the blue line straight to San Ysidro may be more straightforward or some.The airport shuttle bus to the trolley is free.
I don't know how to pay for the 992 bus, maybe the trolley Pronto card would work, or cash can be used.
But the airport shuttle bus is free.
Explorer8939
12-26-23, 23:15
If so, perhaps you can share your experience. I figure it would be dead.Christmas to New Years is the dead zone for the Zona Norte.
And the border crossing lines are out of control. Seriously, unless you have a Sentri card, it's not practical to go to Tijuana.
The next time I go to Mexico will be to Cancun. It's quicker to get there, and I can simply fly a HK chica there from Tijuana.
LuvMexicanas
12-27-23, 00:08
Typically a bit quicker to take the 992 bus into downtown San Diego and transfer to the blue line trolley there (since the Old Town station is actually a bit further from Tijuana than the airport is. That shuttle bus is actually taking you a bit further from where you want to go), though I guess just taking the blue line straight to San Ysidro may be more straightforward or some.Exit the terminal and look for the 992 bus stop which can't be missed unless blind. Get the Pronto app and just scan to get on the 992 bus. Exit the bus at American Plaza station and get on the blue line trolley to San Ysidro. Your initial scan on the bus is good for two hours so no need to scan again. You can't beat $2. 50 from airport to border.
BrotherMouzone
12-27-23, 03:08
The airport shuttle bus to the trolley is free.
I don't know how to pay for the 992 bus, maybe the trolley Pronto card would work, or cash can be used.
But the airport shuttle bus is free.If you pay using the Pronto app or Pronto card, the total cost comes out to $2. 50 regardless of whether you take the free airport shuttle bus to Old Town or take the 992 bus downtown.
If you take the 992 bus downtown the initial fee is $2.50 BUT you get a FREE 2-hour transfer window to any trolley or bus. So as long as you transfer to the blue line trolley within 2 hours your trolley ride is free, making the total cost $2. 50 to the border. When I'm in downtown San Diego I often stop in one of the Gaslamp restaurants to get something to eat (dine-in not take out) and still have more than enough time to transfer for free since you get 2 hours.
But if you're paying using cash, the total cost is $5. 00 to the border if you take the 992 bus. $2. 50 for the bus and then you pay $2. 50 separately for the trolley since they don't allow free transfers with cash.
BrotherMouzone
12-27-23, 03:15
Exit the terminal and look for the 992 bus stop which can't be missed unless blind. Get the Pronto app and just scan to get on the 992 bus. Exit the bus at American Plaza station and get on the blue line trolley to San Ysidro. Your initial scan on the bus is good for two hours so no need to scan again. You can't beat $2. 50 from airport to border.I think in theory you're supposed to scan again at the trolley when you transfer, though I highly doubt the MTS cops who check the fares would do anything since they'd be able to see you'd paid the fare on the bus. If you scan again at the trolley station it won't deduct from your balance as long as you paid a bus fare less than 2 hours previously.
I'm thinking about doing away with the Pronto app and just getting a Pronto card (for $2) as I've found the app a real pain in the ass to get a scan accepted at the trolley stations, whereas I never had a problem with those old cards they used to have before Pronto. Sometimes I can't get the app to accept a scan before the trolley comes so I just hop on without scanning.
Baxter Slade
12-27-23, 05:07
If so, perhaps you can share your experience. I figure it would be dead.Didn't make it into HK on Christmas eve. Stopped in CC and La Gloria both were so dead I felt sad for those that were working.
Going back to the USA ON Christmas Day no line. CBP was so bored they wanted to look in my backpack, first time ever. And trolley cops were so bored they even checked to see if I paid the fare.
I don't know about 10-20 x more than the average HK customer but the harder working girls especially do make some bank. Two chicas I meet up with regularly have their kid (only kid in both instances) in private school with the $$$ they make from HK.Private schools in Mexico are very common and not as expensive as in the US.
Just spent the last two nights in the zona. Unless you have something locked in with a known provider, my advice would be to just stay home from now until after new years. Pickings are very slim. You could still find something as there are still several girls working but it's not how it usually is. I had something locked in for an all nighter on the 25th with my main girl and was with her best friend the following night for around 5 hours then took her home afterwards because she had to pick up her kid from the dads house. I wanted to see her before she heads back home for new years for a couple weeks. I went back to HK to see if I could lock in someone else for the rest of the night and things were so slow I just ended up coming back home.
Chicago was super bad Monday evening. I walked in and it was so empty I immediately walked out as I didn't want all the attention on me and from the options I quickly scanned, nothing seemed to be worth sticking around for anyway. Tuesday had improved a little bit but still nothing worth sticking around for. Ironically, Tropical was Tropical. Literally did not notice a difference from any other nights LOL. But any girl I would consider banging or drinking with were busy with clients.
Now, if you have absolutely nothing to do then yeah go ahead and head down there and see what you can find. But it would be way better if you can make plans with someone you already know ahead of time who happens to still be in town as the pickings are slim as previously mentioned. But I would say better to just stay home and maybe call up an old faithful here in the states or hit up a FS AMP instead. I would definitely stay away from the zona on new years unless you're going down with a group of buddies or something. If you can't find a girl at least you can have a good time drinking and bullshitting around with each other.
Funny story, I had knocked back a few and was feeling buzzed but felt ok to drive. On my way back to the border I unknowingly drove right into a check point. First thing the officer asks is how many drinks I had over the course of the evening. I told him none. He asked if I was sure and I said yes. He made me pull over to the side where he said they would conduct a breathalyzer test on me. To make it worse I had a little under $400 on me, I thought for sure I had just lost all of it trying to get out of this. They told me the legal limit was. 08 and anything above that they would take me to jail and impound my vehicle. I thought there was no way their little breathalyzer was legit and was rigged to fail. I blew into it and it came up. 07 the officer looked at me sort of surprised and handed my keys back and told me to get the hell out of there which I was happy to do and headed straight to the border.
I'm thinking about doing away with the Pronto app and just getting a Pronto card (for $2) as I've found the app a real pain in the ass to get a scan accepted at the trolley stations, whereas I never had a problem with those old cards they used to have before Pronto. Sometimes I can't get the app to accept a scan before the trolley comes so I just hop on without scanning.I have the pronto card and never had an issue. You still have to go a short way out of your way to add money to it though.
LuvMexicanas
12-27-23, 22:04
I have the pronto card and never had an issue. You still have to go a short way out of your way to add money to it though.Not if you load money to it using your credit card.
Just spent the last two nights in the zona. Unless you have something locked in with a known provider, my advice would be to just stay home from now until after new years. Pickings are very slim. You could still find something as there are still several girls working but it's not how it usually is. I had something locked in for an all nighter on the 25th with my main girl and was with her best friend the following night for around 5 hours then took her home afterwards because she had to pick up her kid from the dads house. I wanted to see her before she heads back home for new years for a couple weeks. I went back to HK to see if I could lock in someone else for the rest of the night and things were so slow I just ended up coming back home.
Chicago was super bad Monday evening. I walked in and it was so empty I immediately walked out as I didn't want all the attention on me and from the options I quickly scanned, nothing seemed to be worth sticking around for anyway. Tuesday had improved a little bit but still nothing worth sticking around for. Ironically, Tropical was Tropical. Literally did not notice a difference from any other nights LOL. But any girl I would consider banging or drinking with were busy with clients.
Now, if you have absolutely nothing to do then yeah go ahead and head down there and see what you can find. But it would be way better if you can make plans with someone you already know ahead of time who happens to still be in town as the pickings are slim as previously mentioned. But I would say better to just stay home and maybe call up an old faithful here in the states or hit up a FS AMP instead. I would definitely stay away from the zona on new years unless you're going down with a group of buddies or something. If you can't find a girl at least you can have a good time drinking and bullshitting around with each other..Almost every friend I had from 18, that was a drinker, ended up with at least 1 dwi. 1 friend also blew a. 07 in USA and got lucky. The. Got a dwi anyway a year later. 15 yrs ago I bought a bunch of breathalyzer on ebay for like 5 dollars each that can even fit in your key chain. Now, if I drink I pretty much don't ever drive but if I do I will sit in the car and keep testing myself till it's about. 04%.
Baxter Slade
12-28-23, 05:31
Not if you load money to it using your credit card.I always thought you needed a credit card to add money to your pronto card. And then I discovered some of the machines at the san ysidro station take cash and some credit card only. So just find the right machines.
DonCarlos1234
12-28-23, 12:11
Almost every friend I had from 18, that was a drinker, ended up with at least 1 dwi. 1 friend also blew a. 07 in USA and got lucky. The. Got a dwi anyway a year later. 15 yrs ago I bought a bunch of breathalyzer on ebay for like 5 dollars each that can even fit in your key chain. Now, if I drink I pretty much don't ever drive but if I do I will sit in the car and keep testing myself till it's about. 04%.Yeah it took Mexico a few years to adopt SoCal type DUI check points. It's a money maker. About 8-9 years ago en-route back to Rosarito on the back roads to avoid the Police. I came up on a trap. There were 20-30 cars pulled over waiting to get tested, 5 tow trucks and people being taken away in police trucks. They had a Breathalyzer with a doctor inside a truck testing us. (I was way over the limit and had nose candy in my car with more in my persona. The bilingual Doc who tested me asked "are you ready to go home?" I guess he knew that a drunk gringo wouod not fare will in the Tijuana jail. And no one searched the car. So they let me go. I thought WOW I am soo lucky. Then a mile down the road another check point. Yep they had too many customers and waved me past. The rest o the drive I was sober from adrenalin all they way home. Those were the days. Many other close calls & stories. Now I get a room at Cascadas and no worries. Also don't do chemicals or drink much anymore.
Alright guys I take back what I said about staying away from the zona until after new years. A coworker of mine asked me to go with him last night and there was a lot more girls working than in recent days. They even had the area behind club Miami open since there was so many people. I'm assuming tonight and tomorrow will be pretty much like any other Friday and Saturday as well. Sunday could be a toss up with it being New Years Eve and all. Lots of chicas will wanna stay home with their men and children or would rather be out partying with their civilian friends. I would try to get there as early as possible to lock in the best available options.
I ended up bumping into a couple girls I didn't think were in town and took both of them arriba.
An HK chica told me a client of hers that has covid is in the club tonight. She asked him what the hell he was doing out since he just got it a couple days ago and he said he wasn't going to let covid ruin his new years SMH. Yall be careful out there and be weary of anyone sneezing or coughing around you. If I was down there I would kick his ass myself. Dude is going in and out of the club and back to his room at Rizo without a mask or anything. Fucking moron.
An HK chica told me a client of hers that has covid is in the club tonight. She asked him what the hell he was doing out since he just got it a couple days ago and he said he wasn't going to let covid ruin his new years SMH. Yall be careful out there and be weary of anyone sneezing or coughing around you. If I was down there I would kick his ass myself. Dude is going in and out of the club and back to his room at Rizo without a mask or anything. Fucking moron.I hope you have just been drinking to much and made this post as a joke.
ABAJoeSmith123
01-01-24, 07:30
An HK chica told me a client of hers that has covid is in the club tonight. She asked him what the hell he was doing out since he just got it a couple days ago and he said he wasn't going to let covid ruin his new years SMH. Yall be careful out there and be weary of anyone sneezing or coughing around you. If I was down there I would kick his ass myself. Dude is going in and out of the club and back to his room at Rizo without a mask or anything. Fucking moron.As I mentioned before. Tons of people in the club are low lifes. Don't gaf about the chicas or other customers there. They're there for themselves. They treat the chicas as pieces of meat and other customers with no respect or courtesy. This dude you mentioned is basically the equivalent of a low life who knows they have HIV but still frequents the club and pushes for no condom on the chicas, which in the United States is a crime. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of the gang banger dudes there have hiv and still knowingly bang tons of hk chicas.
I hope you have just been drinking to much and made this post as a joke.
Unfortunately I wasn't joking. Like ABAJoe says, there’s a lot of low lifes out there that like to ruin everyone else’s fun.
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It was sort of slim pickings again at the club yesterday but I had my main girl stay over last night. She was running late but on the bright side it allowed me to spend some time at the club and ended up getting to know one of the foam show girls who sat with me for a while and was very playful. I eventually told her I was waiting on my girl and she told me I could call her over when she got there if I wanted to have a threesome so we exchanged contact info. Unfortunately by the time my girl got there and was settled in, the foam show girl was off duty but she said to reach out ahead of time on a future visit.
My girl left around 11 am the next morning so I headed to the club to see if I could find anything interesting before check out time. I was eventually approached by friendly girl. She was brunette, pretty face, fake boobs but they felt nice, no tattoos that I can recall and I had never seen her before. She went by a weird name, something like Azalea. I got her a beer and she insisted I keep fondling her. I guess I was playing it too cool and she didn't think I was that into her and then she told me if I took her back to my room she would let me take video so I wouldn't forget her. Of course that got my attention right away and perked right up. I asked how much she would be cool with and she said 100 as long as I didn't tell anyone else. Sure honey let's go.
Overall she was cool but didn't allow any extras or anything bare which was kind of a bummer, but was fine. She also didn't let me record her when she was blowing me since she didn't want her face on video. Kind of sucked but I guess but we should have clarified before. She was only fine with me recording in doggy or mish without showing her face. Was having trouble finishing with a rubber on so she let me cum on her tits, which she also let me record so that was kind of cool. She looked great but the sex was kind of standard. The video aspect is what made it interesting. Don't know if I would repeat unless she opened up a little more. She said she's heading back home in about a week or so.
Was planning on leaving right after check out but saw a SG with a nice ass that caught my attention all the way from across the street. I left my stuff in the car and figured I would go back and see if she was still there. If she wasn't I would just finally head to the border. Circled back and she was still there. She quoted me $30 so I took her up on it and she got the job done. I will probably repeat if I see her again, she ended up being pretty cool. Maybe I'll discuss if she's willing to throw in any extras next time.
Unfortunately I wasn't joking. Like ABAJoe says, theres a lot of low lifes out there that like to ruin everyone elses fun.I can't believe we are still afraid of COVID in 2024. I feel like I'm stuck in a "Twilight Zone" episode.
The part I thought was a joke is that you would actually "kick the ass" of some guy for not wearing a mask going back and forth from his hotel to the bar.
As I mentioned before. Tons of people in the club are low lifes. Don't gaf about the chicas or other customers there. They're there for themselves. They treat the chicas as pieces of meat and other customers with no respect or courtesy. This dude you mentioned is basically the equivalent of a low life who knows they have HIV but still frequents the club and pushes for no condom on the chicas, which in the United States is a crime. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of the gang banger dudes there have hiv and still knowingly bang tons of hk chicas.Most I see during weekdays seem to be mature and / or middle aged guys. It is the weekends that collected the riffraff pile of garbage that comes down from LA and all towns south of it. I have long stopped setting foot in Tijuana past Thursdays, just not the same thing.
Most I see during weekdays seem to be mature and / or middle aged guys. It is the weekends that collected the riffraff pile of garbage that comes down from LA and all towns south of it. I have long stopped setting foot in Tijuana past Thursdays, just not the same thing.ABA Joe Smith 123 "Ton of people in the club are low lifes"- Zenduka1 "pile of garbage that comes down from LA and all towns south of it" Hey, hey take it easy with offensive attacks. This forum is not for that purpose. I'll give you some good advice, don't judge people by their appearance. I have more comments about these offensive posts, but I'll hold off.
BrotherMouzone
01-09-24, 17:06
ABA Joe Smith 123 "Ton of people in the club are low lifes"- Zenduka1 "pile of garbage that comes down from LA and all towns south of it" Hey, hey take it easy with offensive attacks. This forum is not for that purpose. I'll give you some good advice, don't judge people by their appearance. I have more comments about these offensive posts, but I'll hold off.Yeah, as I've said multiple times on these boards, I've been going down to Tijuana for years and not once had problems with any of the other customers. At the end of the day everyone's there to have a good time. No doubt there are some "low lifes" in the club but IMO they are the exception, most folks patronizing the clubs are decent people. The opinions you quoted are more a reflection of those posters' own prejudices and character than anything else, IMO.
I'll say the closest I've come to associating with "low lifes" in the club were a couple of dudes at HK I was sitting next to at the bar in the back a few years ago who chatted me up and told me that their line of work involved driving trucks concealed with drugs between the US and Mexico. (Why they offered up this information to me I'll never know LOL.) But even they were very respectful towards me the whole time and even bought me a drink LOL.
It's been about 2 years since I've been back but a few questions for the vets in this forum. Has anyone booked a room at Cascadas recently? Are there any special tricks or discounts to getting it cheaper? I know weekdays are cheaper but I'll be in town from Friday-Sunday.
A few questions:
1) I know that if you have a room then you don't have to pay the room fee for bringing up a girl. Is this still true? Is it still $30 for the room?
2) if there is a fee, is it minimized if you have a room?
3) is there a stupid guy knocking on your door if you booked a room?
4) if I book a room with another guy friend, can we both use that room at different times or no?
Scudrucker
01-10-24, 01:03
It's been about 2 years since I've been back but a few questions for the vets in this forum. Has anyone booked a room at Cascadas recently? Are there any special tricks or discounts to getting it cheaper? I know weekdays are cheaper but I'll be in town from Friday-Sunday.
A few questions:
1) I know that if you have a room then you don't have to pay the room fee for bringing up a girl. Is this still true? Is it still $30 for the room?
2) if there is a fee, is it minimized if you have a room?
3) is there a stupid guy knocking on your door if you booked a room?
4) if I book a room with another guy friend, can we both use that room at different times or no?Once the room is paid, you can bring up any girl from tropical / las chevales / Hong Kong, just advise the desk you have condoms and lube.
Note: buy your own condoms and lube beforehand.
No fee per girl.
The only discount I know of is the vip card, you will get 20 percent on the room but use that card, 20 off meals at azul and a free drink per day, I arrive from Canada so I only get 1 use of the card so don't miss any benefits.
Check their website for the benefits.
You can both use the room.
They are interested in the room number.
I, personally have neve had a knock but I also have trouble lasting so refer to others.
Last time I stayed in September, I used a credit card wth no problems, there is increased security at cascades including metal detector and frisk / bag search.
$30 USA Deposit that will be returned upon room inspection / mini fridge.
Note: take a recycle bag and pick up your items at oxxo across the street.
Search the hall for people to tip for more towels or whatever you want.
Azul delivers to the room.
Scudrucker.
I did not go as much in 2023 as 2022. I always get my own room.
2022--knocking on door was issue for me.
2023--knocking on door did not happen.
I have now been told by multiple girls who I spent time with outside the club that the knocking on the door crap is actually started by the girl we take up to our room. For the most part the girl is just trying to get us to buy beer.
It's been about 2 years since I've been back but a few questions for the vets in this forum. Has anyone booked a room at Cascadas recently? Are there any special tricks or discounts to getting it cheaper? I know weekdays are cheaper but I'll be in town from Friday-Sunday.
A few questions:
1) I know that if you have a room then you don't have to pay the room fee for bringing up a girl. Is this still true? Is it still $30 for the room?
2) if there is a fee, is it minimized if you have a room?
3) is there a stupid guy knocking on your door if you booked a room?
4) if I book a room with another guy friend, can we both use that room at different times or no?
Vibed well with a 20 year old knockout. She agreed for $100. Experience tells you if you would have a good session or not. When we got to the room told her will pay her after the deed, she disagreed and walked out angrily. I was very happy to let her go. Later I saw her hanging out with another knockout of her caliber. These two had their noses up at every guy the entire evening.
Chatted with two inseparable friends, a 19 and 21 year old girls. Kind a new both of them. I really wanted the Morena but the other was ok and did not want to separate them, so agreed $100 each. Took them to my small bed, small room. They put a Reggaton muscia on TV youtube. One danced while I was doing the other. Second girl wants it rough, told me to slap her and grab her by the throat, she later told me as I was walking around with el Schlong swinging around, she said "tu pene es bonito" Thank you very much. The morena also seemed to love her turn as she was repeatedly moaning "rico, rico.
Tipped one cute 22 year old as she was dancing, I then asked her if she wants to go up I will give her $100. She emphatically said no and stated $150. Told her to shut up "seeállate" and sat back on my seat by the counter. She got down from the dance table and walked to the stairs by the big entrance, hid in a corner and gestured at me to go to her. I walked over and said, "que quieres de mi" she said ok $100 but don't tell anyone. LOL. This girl orgasmed on my face as I was eating her, her clit was one of the larger ones I have seen and saw her anus spasm as she cummed. She was clean testing and smelling to, I had washed her pussy and ass myself prior to getting on the bed. Cleaned her feet to but did not have a chance to suckle her toes.
Following day afternoon I texted the morena of the previous night, she came to my room. One can say she danced on top of me while el Schlong was inside her. She had a Reggaton musica on and was singing along with it as she pumped away from the top. At one moment asked me to grab her nalgas, she was making orders at me to do things. A moment later she stopped pumping vigorously, relaxed and then said, ok ahora de perrito and she got on all fours. She had big round shapely 21 year old pair of cheeks.
Total expense 3 nights, $450 on girls. $80 tips for girls in the club. $100 food. Drinks $50. (don't drink much) Room $130. Transport $180. Total about $1000.
IF this was Colombia I would have stretched the same amount for a week, The only issue there is transport is much more expensive from where I am.
KetoAndKettle
01-13-24, 03:57
Vibed well with a 20 year old knockout. She agreed for $100. Experience tells you if you would have a good session or not. When we got to the room told her will pay her after the deed, she disagreed and walked out angrily. I was very happy to let her go. Later I saw her hanging out with another knockout of her caliber. These two had their noses up at every guy the entire evening.
Chatted with two inseparable friends, a 19 and 21 year old girls. Kind a new both of them.
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IF this was Colombia I would have stretched the same amount for a week, The only issue there is transport is much more expensive from where I am.That sounds like a mf'ing good time. After the girl who wanted her dinero first and bounced, did the remainder of them who did work out, let you pay after?
I've been to MDE, but I think mexicans are hornier for whatever reason.
HK is now charging $11 for ladies' drinks. All other drinks are the same price.
CC is charging $10 for the drinks, it was $9 before.
That sounds like a mf'ing good time. After the girl who wanted her dinero first and bounced, did the remainder of them who did work out, let you pay after?
I've been to MDE, but I think mexicans are hornier for whatever reason.I had a blast. Always do. The mistakes I used to commit with women that resulted in bad sessions are long gone. The pair I had wanted to see the money but paid them after. The rest was no question asked pay after.
Surprised to read you find Mexicans hornier. I think they may be more liberated due to the proximity to the US. (although I believe comparing Latinas to anything found in the US is a sin) It also depends on the vibe and some physical aspects too. One thing is sure, you can't throw money at them to make them hornier, you might make them happier but not hornier.
HK is now charging $11 for ladies' drinks. All other drinks are the same price.
CC is charging $10 for the drinks, it was $9 before.Glad I live in SEA now. Still, fond memories of HK and Adelitas from when I was living in California. For my money the best places to monger are:
1. PI. Esp. Angeles, Subic, Cebu. Sweet girls who speak English and love to fuck. Happy Ending massage with blowjob $25. Getting laid all night $100. Prices higher in Manila.
2. Indonesia. Jakarta. Bustiest girls in SEA. $40/$100.
3. Dominican Republic. Santo Domingo. I pay $50 to $100 to bang top-heavy beauties who love to suck a dick and pose for porno shots. Biggest boobs in the world IMO.
4. Thailand. $20/$80. Pattaya has some super sexy beautiful bargain bangables. Lots of fake tits but I don't care. Just make sure she is a she.
5. Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh City. $25/$100. Very cute in their long dresses that cover everything but hide nothing.
I'm 68. YMMV. Cheers, mates.
Explorer8939
01-14-24, 00:59
HK is now charging $11 for ladies' drinks. All other drinks are the same price.
CC is charging $10 for the drinks, it was $9 before.Prices will continue to rise until the bars are empty.
I saw Adelitas at the end. Sad.
The price gouging in HK has really gotten out of hand. $40 dollars for a short term room is outrageous. I simply won't pay it. The only way to go is basically to have your own room, nowadays. The last thing I want to happen is to pay $40 for that room and have the towel boy come knocking after 15-20 min, and then have the nerve to demand a tip.
Ladies drinks were always a rip off. Now even more so. Annoying meseros. Even the robe guy has always bothered me. So many damn dudes interfering.
But the worst thing is that I really think the business model hurts the girls. Every time I go there, I see the same thing. The majority of the girls standing around all night, perhaps never even going upstairs with a client. And I know that a lot of the guys in there are thinking the same thing I'm thinking: that it is simply too expensive to take a chance on less than a perfect opportunity.
I find myself being a lot more selective than I used to be, simply because I am unwilling to fork over $150+ for a bad or mediocre experience. In the old days, it was a lot easier to try a new girl, and even if she wasn't that good, it was like not that big of a deal because you were only out a couple of bucks. Now, if she's no good, it literally ruins my whole night.
The high barrier to entry has literally been the difference between me going with some of the girls or not, which is unfortunate for the girls, who would otherwise be getting my business. Also, I find it hard to believe that this "trying to ht a home run" mentality generates more revenue than just the slow steady income they would generate from more reasonable prices.
Why don't they just go ahead and have a cover charge, like 5 or 10 bucks or something, but at the same time lower the room / drink prices? This would eliminate some of the penniless riffriff and make the place less of a sausage-fest, but it really wouldn't deter the guys that actually want to do business there. The lower barrier to entry would make it a better environment for the guys and girls, and they would probably pull about the same revenue as before.
The best thing that we can hope for is that this virtual monopoly that HK has is eventually ended. We desperately need a legit competitor to HK. When HK was a younger club, it was kind of cool, but as the years have gone by, it has sought to abuse it's monopoly to a greater and greater extent.
The price gouging in HK has really gotten out of hand. $40 dollars for a short term room is outrageous. I simply won't pay it. The only way to go is basically to have your own room, nowadays. The last thing I want to happen is to pay $40 for that room and have the towel boy come knocking after 15-20 min, and then have the nerve to demand a tip.
Ladies drinks were always a rip off. Now even more so. Annoying meseros. Even the robe guy has always bothered me. So many damn dudes interfering.
But the worst thing is that I really think the business model hurts the girls. Every time I go there, I see the same thing. The majority of the girls standing around all night, perhaps never even going upstairs with a client. And I know that a lot of the guys in there are thinking the same thing I'm thinking: that it is simply too expensive to take a chance on less than a perfect opportunity.
I find myself being a lot more selective than I used to be, simply because I am unwilling to fork over $150+ for a bad or mediocre experience. In the old days, it was a lot easier to try a new girl, and even if she wasn't that good, it was like not that big of a deal because you were only out a couple of bucks. Now, if she's no good, it literally ruins my whole night.
The high barrier to entry has literally been the difference between me going with some of the girls or not, which is unfortunate for the girls, who would otherwise be getting my business. Also, I find it hard to believe that this "trying to ht a home run" mentality generates more revenue than just the slow steady income they would generate from more reasonable prices.
Why don't they just go ahead and have a cover charge, like 5 or 10 bucks or something, but at the same time lower the room / drink prices? This would eliminate some of the penniless riffriff and make the place less of a sausage-fest, but it really wouldn't deter the guys that actually want to do business there. The lower barrier to entry would make it a better environment for the guys and girls, and they would probably pull about the same revenue as before.
The best thing that we can hope for is that this virtual monopoly that HK has is eventually ended. We desperately need a legit competitor to HK. When HK was a younger club, it was kind of cool, but as the years have gone by, it has sought to abuse it's monopoly to a greater and greater extent.
Enter The V
01-15-24, 13:49
The price gouging in HK has really gotten out of hand. $40 dollars for a short term room is outrageous. I simply won't pay it. The only way to go is basically to have your own room, nowadays. The last thing I want to happen is to pay $40 for that room and have the towel boy come knocking after 15-20 min, and then have the nerve to demand a tip.
Ladies drinks were always a rip off. Now even more so. Annoying meseros. Even the robe guy has always bothered me. So many damn dudes interfering.
But the worst thing is that I really think the business model hurts the girls. Every time I go there, I see the same thing. The majority of the girls standing around all night, perhaps never even going upstairs with a client. And I know that a lot of the guys in there are thinking the same thing I'm thinking: that it is simply too expensive to take a chance on less than a perfect opportunity.
I find myself being a lot more selective than I used to be, simply because I am unwilling to fork over $150+ for a bad or mediocre experience. In the old days, it was a lot easier to try a new girl, and even if she wasn't that good, it was like not that big of a deal because you were only out a couple of bucks. Now, if she's no good, it literally ruins my whole night.
The high barrier to entry has literally been the difference between me going with some of the girls or not, which is unfortunate for the girls, who would otherwise be getting my business. Also, I find it hard to believe that this "trying to ht a home run" mentality generates more revenue than just the slow steady income they would generate from more reasonable prices.
Why don't they just go ahead and have a cover charge, like 5 or 10 bucks or something, but at the same time lower the room / drink prices? This would eliminate some of the penniless riffriff and make the place less of a sausage-fest, but it really wouldn't deter the guys that actually want to do business there. The lower barrier to entry would make it a better environment for the guys and girls, and they would probably pull about the same revenue as before.
The best thing that we can hope for is that this virtual monopoly that HK has is eventually ended. We desperately need a legit competitor to HK. When HK was a younger club, it was kind of cool, but as the years have gone by, it has sought to abuse it's monopoly to a greater and greater extent.It got way popular and to many Gringos went and ruined it.
DonCarlos1234
01-15-24, 14:28
The price gouging in HK has really gotten out of hand. $40 dollars for a short term room is outrageous. I simply won't pay it. The only way to go is basically to have your own room, nowadays. The last thing I want to happen is to pay $40 for that room and have the towel boy come knocking after 15-20 min, and then have the nerve to demand a tip.
When I was a "regular" in Tijuana it was always for 1 or 2 nights. As the prices for 20-30 minute sessions went up,. I did he math. I started going on Monday / Tuesday when the VIP card got you rooms 90% off. The girls and drinks cost now offset those savings. And after you have been with 10's, then 90% of the TK girls look scuzzy.
Take a flight to Colombia and stay for a week or more. The cost of girls, hotels or Airbnb's is less then Mexico. It's only dangerous if you are carless and stupid.
I suspect 90% of the guys here only have time for a weekend. Enjoy those times. If the quality of your experiences in life matters, only spend a night or 2 in Tijuana. It's a shithole with some nice looking girls. I would rather avoid Tijuana, take fewer trips but have much better experiences. YMWV.
I love seeing posts like this one. Yeah, that's sarcasm. Years ago Tijuana was a bargain, and blokes like you trumpeted the fact. People noticed and then capitalism kicked in, and prices went up. Now you're crying into your kleenex because you're stuck dating Rosie Palma now that you're priced out of the experience.
HK and the ZN in particular are still a bargain compared to other options. Adjust your budget or look into alternatives. The whinging here isn't going to change a thing.
Get real.
The price gouging in HK has really gotten out of hand. $40 dollars for a short term room is outrageous. I simply won't pay it. The only way to go is basically to have your own room, nowadays. The last thing I want to happen is to pay $40 for that room and have the towel boy come knocking after 15-20 min, and then have the nerve to demand a tip.
Ladies drinks were always a rip off. Now even more so. Annoying meseros. Even the robe guy has always bothered me. So many damn dudes interfering.
But the worst thing is that I really think the business model hurts the girls. Every time I go there, I see the same thing. The majority of the girls standing around all night, perhaps never even going upstairs with a client. And I know that a lot of the guys in there are thinking the same thing I'm thinking: that it is simply too expensive to take a chance on less than a perfect opportunity..
Explorer8939
01-15-24, 16:35
It got way popular and to many Gringos went and ruined it.It's so crowded, nobody goes there anymore.
Dcrist0527
01-15-24, 17:38
When I was a "regular" in Tijuana it was always for 1 or 2 nights. As the prices for 20-30 minute sessions went up,. I did he math. I started going on Monday / Tuesday when the VIP card got you rooms 90% off. The girls and drinks cost now offset those savings. And after you have been with 10's, then 90% of the TK girls look scuzzy.
Take a flight to Colombia and stay for a week or more. The cost of girls, hotels or Airbnb's is less then Mexico. It's only dangerous if you are carless and stupid.
I suspect 90% of the guys here only have time for a weekend. Enjoy those times. If the quality of your experiences in life matters, only spend a night or 2 in Tijuana. It's a shithole with some nice looking girls. I would rather avoid Tijuana, take fewer trips but have much better experiences. YMWV.Best advice I've read in a while. I live on the east coast. I traveled to Tijuana twice a month for years. Sometimes I'd stay a week, sometimes just 3 or 4 days. I had a blast. I'm not a guy that argues over 50 cents. But if I remember correctly, I never spent more than $100 on a girl and usually it was less. Granted, they made alot off of fichas with me, as I do like to party with them. It all changed when I learned Colombia. My trips to Tijuana ended with a few exceptions to see some favorite chicas. It's ALL subjective. But Colombia beats Tijuana in every category, unless I lived in So Cal. Cost, looks, and most especially attitudes. The only thing I'd add is right now, Colombia does have an elevated level of danger for most mongers, exceeding Tijuana. But as DonCarlos said, common sense goes a long way.
I am heading to Colombia next month. Due to some personal reasons, it's likely my last int'l monger trip. I considered many other destinations for one last big hurrah. But nothing beat Colombia. That said, I am going to tack on a few days and fly to Tijuana at the end of the trip for one last hurrah there. I feel a bit nostalgic when I think about the skuzzy streets of zona norte and the insane times I had at HK, Tropical and the like.
Flawless Zeal
01-15-24, 18:35
I suspect 90% of the guys here only have time for a weekend. Enjoy those times. If the quality of your experiences in life matters, only spend a night or 2 in Tijuana. It's a shithole with some nice looking girls. I would rather avoid Tijuana, take fewer trips but have much better experiences. YMWV.The problem is when airfare is by far the biggest expense. Then it seems a waste to go only 1-2 days.
I haven't spent a dime in HK in many many years. I hate the place. Everyone with their hand out trying to rip you off. The robe guy was the final straw for me. I told him to fuck off and left the girl there. It's principal at this point and now the rooms are 40 for 30 minutes. Wine for 30.00. Pretty soon they are going to hire the sham wow guy and force me to buy a cloth for 40 so they can clean after and the cum boy will still ask for a tip.
Prices will continue to rise until the bars are empty.
I saw Adelitas at the end. Sad.Funny thing, when business is scares clubs raise prices. LOL. Saw it during the pandemic and saw it during the dying spiral of Adelitas.
Glad I live in SEA now. Still, fond memories of HK and Adelitas from when I was living in California. For my money the best places to monger are:
1. PI. Esp. Angeles, Subic, Cebu. Sweet girls who speak English and love to fuck. Happy Ending massage with blowjob $25. Getting laid all night $100. Prices higher in Manila.
2. Indonesia. Jakarta. Bustiest girls in SEA. $40/$100.
3. Dominican Republic. Santo Domingo. I pay $50 to $100 to bang top-heavy beauties who love to suck a dick and pose for porno shots. Biggest boobs in the world IMO.
4. Thailand. $20/$80. Pattaya has some super sexy beautiful bargain bangables. Lots of fake tits but I don't care. Just make sure she is a she.
5. Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh City. $25/$100. Very cute in their long dresses that cover everything but hide nothing.
I'm 68. YMMV. Cheers, mates.What do Dominican girls look like. Are they black, Hispanic black, Brazilian mixed looked.
LuvMexicanas
01-16-24, 00:51
It's so crowded, nobody goes there anymore.You say nobody goes there anymore while saying it's so crowded. Which is it? Is it crowded or does nobody go there? You can't say both.
DonCarlos1234
01-16-24, 01:53
The problem is when airfare is by far the biggest expense. Then it seems a waste to go only 1-2 days.Girls usually cost more than the airfare. Hotels are 60% of Tijuana and a lot nicer. Save up for your vacay and enjoy. It's getting crowded there also from those clueless "passport bros" there is still CDMX or Brazil.
Dcrist0527
01-16-24, 03:03
Girls usually cost more than the airfare. Hotels are 60% of Tijuana and a lot nicer. Save up for your vacay and enjoy. It's getting crowded there also from those clueless "passport bros" there is still CDMX or Brazil.I hate these location arguments. But I never stop to add my two cents. LOL I do so only to offer an opinion in the hopes it helps someone. Airfare has to be considered. If I lived in San Diego, I'm not sure I'd explore Medellin. Tijuana is just too convenient. But I will say that the quality of the sessions in Medellin are just light years ahead of my Tijuana sessions. My qualifier, though: I like longer sessions. 20 minutes and a knock by the cum boy is infuriating. My experience: the normal time spent for a "session" is 2 hours or more in Medellin for a cost that is less than a 20 minute session in Cascadas. And generally speaking, DFK and BBBJ are fairly standard. The paisas just feel less sharky.
I'm not part of the board of tourism in Colombia, nor am I knocking Tijuana because I do enjoy it. Just hard to say the service is in the same league.
The price gouging in HK has really gotten out of hand. $40 dollars for a short term room is outrageous. I simply won't pay it. The only way to go is basically to have your own room, nowadays. The last thing I want to happen is to pay $40 for that room and have the towel boy come knocking after 15-20 min, and then have the nerve to demand a tip.
Ladies drinks were always a rip off. Now even more so. Annoying meseros. Even the robe guy has always bothered me. So many damn dudes interfering.
But the worst thing is that I really think the business model hurts the girls. Every time I go there, I see the same thing. The majority of the girls standing around all night, perhaps never even going upstairs with a client. And I know that a lot of the guys in there are thinking the same thing I'm thinking: that it is simply too expensive to take a chance on less than a perfect opportunity.
I find myself being a lot more selective than I used to be, simply because I am unwilling to fork over $150+ for a bad or mediocre experience. In the old days, it was a lot easier to try a new girl, and even if she wasn't that good, it was like not that big of a deal because you were only out a couple of bucks. Now, if she's no good, it literally ruins my whole night.
The high barrier to entry has literally been the difference between me going with some of the girls or not, which is unfortunate for the girls, who would otherwise be getting my business. Also, I find it hard to believe that this "trying to ht a home run" mentality generates more revenue than just the slow steady income they would generate from more reasonable prices.
Why don't they just go ahead and have a cover charge, like 5 or 10 bucks or something, but at the same time lower the room / drink prices? This would eliminate some of the penniless riffriff and make the place less of a sausage-fest, but it really wouldn't deter the guys that actually want to do business there. The lower barrier to entry would make it a better environment for the guys and girls, and they would probably pull about the same revenue as before.
The best thing that we can hope for is that this virtual monopoly that HK has is eventually ended. We desperately need a legit competitor to HK. When HK was a younger club, it was kind of cool, but as the years have gone by, it has sought to abuse it's monopoly to a greater and greater extent.I agree with the principle behind your post. HK prices gone up too much too quickly.
I usually do 2 or 3 night trips to zona ending leaving on Saturdays.
For the first time I stayed over Saturday night and I did not enjoy it.
It was more crowded than Friday and too crowded for my liking.
The girls were not any better, etc.
I will avoid going to HK on Saturday nights.
What do Dominican girls look like. Are they black, Hispanic black, Brazilian mixed looked.Most of the women are dark skinned and will steal anything in your room that is not nailed down!
Another thing I've noticed is that, as these clubs mature, they get stuck with a lot of "lifers", and the turn over rate goes down, meaning less fresh girls.
It's like in other occupations where you have unproductive people but they have tenure so you can't get rid of them.
I swear, some of the girls working at HK have literally been there since the dawn of time. This is the same reason I was never a fan of Adelitas: too many hardened lifers.
Also, having a lot of lifers means that new girls are more quickly indoctrinated and exposed to hardened lifer attitudes.
Don't get me wrong. You can still have a great time in Tijuana and HK, you just have to pick your spots more. Also, you have to go there more or less consistently to find any good deals. If I was only going for a vacation, I would say that there are more attractive options out there. Of course, I live in So Cal, so I could go every week if I wanted.
ABAJoeSmith123
01-16-24, 18:50
I agree with the principle behind your post. HK prices gone up too much too quickly.Yeah, it's quite expensive to have fun there now. $40 for room, tip for cum boys doing nothing, tip for robe guy who does nothing for you, tip to all the criminal waitors each they they bring you a drink, $11 drinks that are requested every 5 minutes, $120 for girl for like 15-20 min of whatever. Don't forget transportation and parking costs if applicable.
Each trip will hurt your wallet. I don't' mine the 120 costs for the women. It's all the other stuff that is out of control.
ABAJoeSmith123
01-16-24, 19:01
Another thing I've noticed is that, as these clubs mature, they get stuck with a lot of "lifers", and the turn over rate goes down, meaning less fresh girls.
It's like in other occupations where you have unproductive people but they have tenure so you can't get rid of them.
I swear, some of the girls working at HK have literally been there since the dawn of time. This is the same reason I was never a fan of Adelitas: too many hardened lifers.
Also, having a lot of lifers means that new girls are more quickly indoctrinated and exposed to hardened lifer attitudes.
Don't get me wrong. You can still have a great time in Tijuana and HK, you just have to pick your spots more. Also, you have to go there more or less consistently to find any good deals. If I was only going for a vacation, I would say that there are more attractive options out there. Of course, I live in So Cal, so I could go every week if I wanted.Got to feel bad for a lifer there. Can't imagine any woman wanting to do that for their entire life. Probably a sad story behind each lifer that are all pretty similar: need to support kids, no education to get different job, dead beat husband that left them, parents and relatives that don't work and expect them to support them. Feel lucky you live in the united states fellas and most likely never have to sell your body and dignity to pay your rent.
Enter The V
01-17-24, 13:01
Got to feel bad for a lifer there. Can't imagine any woman wanting to do that for their entire life. Probably a sad story behind each lifer that are all pretty similar: need to support kids, no education to get different job, dead beat husband that left them, parents and relatives that don't work and expect them to support them. Feel lucky you live in the united states fellas and most likely never have to sell your body and dignity to pay your rent.The US is worst there is no American dream get real. Ill rather live in Mexico or Brazil.
KetoAndKettle
01-17-24, 15:26
Yep, I definitely wouldn't become a regular there, again, unless I moved back to san diego. That was easy to throw a yes at once a month.
Now I limit my trips to when I hit a milestone in some area, like seeing my bottom abs, or hitting a particular monthly income for my business.
Just pure celebration of something.
I almost wish san diego would split into a separate state with new governor and new laws, politics, etc. Maybe I'd move back.
Yeah, it's quite expensive to have fun there now. $40 for room, tip for cum boys doing nothing, tip for robe guy who does nothing for you, tip to all the criminal waitors each they they bring you a drink, $11 drinks that are requested every 5 minutes, $120 for girl for like 15-20 min of whatever. Don't forget transportation and parking costs if applicable.
Each trip will hurt your wallet. I don't' mine the 120 costs for the women. It's all the other stuff that is out of control.
You say nobody goes there anymore while saying it's so crowded. Which is it? Is it crowded or does nobody go there? You can't say both.Its a paradox he put up, LOL. Pulling your leg.
The problem is when airfare is by far the biggest expense. Then it seems a waste to go only 1-2 days.I wouldn't fly to SD / Tijuana unless at most 1.5 hrs away. Anything longer doesn't merit the trouble. There are better / cheaper options.
Got to feel bad for a lifer there. Can't imagine any woman wanting to do that for their entire life. Probably a sad story behind each lifer that are all pretty similar: need to support kids, no education to get different job, dead beat husband that left them, parents and relatives that don't work and expect them to support them. Feel lucky you live in the united states fellas and most likely never have to sell your body and dignity to pay your rent.I disagree.
The difficulty is mostly is getting into this profession. They have to already gone past the rationalization phase and experience of how customers are like before they make this a permanent career.
For those that do make it a permanent career they draw their boundaries and stick to it and are willing to say NO to business that crosses their boundaries. Those people are very comfortable because they have their own grove and work-life balance. They also tend to have regular clients that ensure a healthy income.
Example: I only see a 'lifer' (her name is Karumi) and I am convinced she is leading a comfortable life and I don't need to feel sorry for her. I know she has many regular clients and does financially very well. She goes on month long vacations twice a year, etc. She has hour daily work schedule and personal time for jogging, etc.
The US is worst there is no American dream get real. Ill rather live in Mexico or Brazil.Actually the US is a good place to live. If you are modest in your living and do not involve with the women and politics you could be alright.
El Guerito
01-18-24, 01:10
You say nobody goes there anymore while saying it's so crowded. Which is it? Is it crowded or does nobody go there? You can't say both.He was being sarcastic. It's a famous quote from Yogi Berra.
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/yogi_berra_100418
Flawless Zeal
01-18-24, 01:58
I wouldn't fly to SD / Tijuana unless at most 1.5 hrs away. Anything longer doesn't merit the trouble. There are better / cheaper options.Even just to try it once? I've seen reports say there is little that gets close to the experience of HK, short of flying all the way to FKK clubs or to Brazil. I've been to Colombia, but didn't love the feeling of having to always be on your toes and extra cautious with everything (spiked drinks, SA / FB girls, incalls, etc), and the seeming lack of any English (I speak enough Spanish to get by, but struggle in loud clubs or talking in depth). DR isn't my type and CR / Panama have mixed reviews on the quality (I'm coming from East Coast). I do plan to try Montreal when weather is better, though that certainly isn't cheaper.
Rainman306
01-18-24, 03:48
Was the last raise lady drink price increase just last year or 2 years ago? I sure hope that HK is not planning to increase the price by $1 every year.
I can't ever imagine a lady drink being more than $20, which could be within a decade if HK is going to raise the price every year.
Been a long time since posting and Zona Norte visit and miss the place. The energy. The fun.
Especially for those living in Southern California where it's relatively easy to travel to Zona Norte, it is still an amazing place to visit.
Yes prices do go up and it sounds like they have been, But. You need only to go to a club in San Diego or Las Vegas to realize just how lucky we have it. Do you realize that you can sit in a relatively safe bar, drink a beer that's not that expensive and squeeze the wonderful bodies of the girls for just a buck! Do you realize what that would cost you in the US if you could find a place that would allow it? Pickup a street girl in LA sometime on Figueroa Street. Perhaps they are not "that" expensive but I would say it is more risky in terms of safety than the popular Zona Norte bars.
I was recently watching the history channel and realizing just how hard it was to live in the 1900's. And it really makes you appreciate what we have.
Zona Norte is no different when it comes to appreciating what we have. There are very very few places on this planet where you have the diversity of income we do in the US compared to Mexico. Bangkok takes a day just to travel not to mention the $$$ ticket.
Just something to keep in mind when your whining about the bars down there.
-G.
Baxter Slade
01-18-24, 06:10
Was the last raise lady drink price increase just last year or 2 years ago? I sure hope that HK is not planning to increase the price by $1 every year.
I can't ever imagine a lady drink being more than $20, which could be within a decade if HK is going to raise the price every year.I guess you have not yet been introduced to the HK $30 lady drink. Careful they are out there.
ABAJoeSmith123
01-18-24, 07:51
I disagree.
The difficulty is mostly is getting into this profession. They have to already gone past the rationalization phase and experience of how customers are like before they make this a permanent career.
For those that do make it a permanent career they draw their boundaries and stick to it and are willing to say NO to business that crosses their boundaries. Those people are very comfortable because they have their own grove and work-life balance. They also tend to have regular clients that ensure a healthy income.
Example: I only see a 'lifer' (her name is Karumi) and I am convinced she is leading a comfortable life and I don't need to feel sorry for her. I know she has many regular clients and does financially very well. She goes on month long vacations twice a year, etc. She has hour daily work schedule and personal time for jogging, etc.Doesn't matter if they have boundaries or not. They're still having to fellatio 20 hairy penises a night and be pounded by 10-20 nasty fat bastards a night as well. Even if that gives you money to have a nice lifestyle, you honestly think a woman with other adequate career options would do this? The answer is no. They do this be / see they have no other choice and need to survive because life in mexico is not the glamorous suburban life we enjoy in America. Additionally, even if they have boundaries and say "NO" to business that crosses these boundaries, you honestly think all customers obey these rules? Guarantee you that everyday there's a guy that treats them disrespectfully or holds these chica's heads to their crotches forever or pounds them so hard that till their eyes water from pain. Their life sucks man. They get abused everyday. They only smile to you in the club be / see they need your money. You are not their first option if they didn't have to work there.
Mongering is fun, but unfortunately this is the reality.
You say nobody goes there anymore while saying it's so crowded. Which is it? Is it crowded or does nobody go there? You can't say both.That's an old "Yogi-ism. " Attributed to Yogi Berra.
Been a long time since posting and Zona Norte visit and miss the place. The energy. The fun.
Especially for those living in Southern California where it's relatively easy to travel to Zona Norte, it is still an amazing place to visit.
Yes prices do go up and it sounds like they have been, But. You need only to go to a club in San Diego or Las Vegas to realize just how lucky we have it. Do you realize that you can sit in a relatively safe bar, drink a beer that's not that expensive and squeeze the wonderful bodies of the girls for just a buck! Do you realize what that would cost you in the US if you could find a place that would allow it? Pickup a street girl in LA sometime on Figueroa Street. Perhaps they are not "that" expensive but I would say it is more risky in terms of safety than the popular Zona Norte bars.
I was recently watching the history channel and realizing just how hard it was to live in the 1900's. And it really makes you appreciate what we have.
Zona Norte is no different when it comes to appreciating what we have. There are very very few places on this planet where you have the diversity of income we do in the US compared to Mexico. Bangkok takes a day just to travel not to mention the $$$ ticket.
Just something to keep in mind when your whining about the bars down there.
-G.If I have to get on a plane, there is no way I am going to the Zona Norte Tijuana. It's really over rated when compared to other locations.
I go to Tijuana because I can get there at lunch time and be back home before dinner time. If you live near here, sooner or later you form your network of chicas and you no longer step foot in HK to get a chica. You go in to see who is working and you send them a text to meet you in a real bar so that you don't have to deal with all the HK mind games.
HK is incredible value if you only compare it to US clubs, it's over priced and over valued when compared to other fun locations in Tijuana and Mexico.
First of all excuse the long post for those who hate reading. You won't offend me by skipping my post.
One of my HK girls reached out last week and asked if I had any plans for the weekend. I told her not really, just had to work Saturday and I would be free after that until Tuesday because of MLK weekend. On Friday she asked if I could get out of work on Saturday because she wanted to get away from her house for a few days because of some family drama. I didn't ask for the details nor did she say, but it felt like her situation was about to play to my advantage. She told me if I could get out of work she would spend Saturday, Sunday and Monday with me and wouldn't go to work to stay with me the entire time. It sounded great but I started doing the math. I told her what about just Sunday and Monday, wanting to keep the cost low. She said she wanted to be gone from home by Saturday and would even pay the hotel room for that night and for me to just pay the following two nights. Even still I suggested she reach out to one of her other clients for Saturday but she said she preferred to just stay with me. Sounded good but then there was the issue of compensating her for her time. I flat out told her to forget about me giving her our usual rate for an entire day because I didn't want to spend that much for the weekend especially since I hadn't planned on doing so and she was just springing this on me. She did some math of her own and said since she wouldn't be going to work she would at least need something for some expenses of hers and asked what I thought about giving her $420 for 3 days and 3 nights. Thought it was an unusual number to ask for, why not just 400 or 450 but then quickly assumed it was a nod to marijuana LOL. I figured it was a nice little deal that broke down to $140 for each day, why not? Although part of me thought she would for sure make an excuse and bail after day two or something but she actually ended up staying damn near the entire 72 hours and I didn't pay her until the very end. In fact she never even brought up the money, I shouldn't have said anything LOL.
We met up Saturday afternoon and checked into my room. I'm going to skip ahead to the following day because she suggested I reach out to another one of my chicas that she's fond of to join us for a threesome. I had actually been thinking about a different girl she had never met for our next threesome and that I knew she would like as well. I wrote about this particular girl I had in mind on here back in September (post #23619 in the General Reports section for those who care to go back and read), a girl that goes by Olivia at the club. She's a brunette, kind of tall, minimal tattoos, natural body, curvy ass and about a handful of boobs. Supposedly 27 but is probably 30, still sexy nonetheless. I wrote about both times I hooked up with her in September but for one reason or another hadn't been with her again since. The first time I only bought a private dance from her but was able to get BBBJCIM in the dance booth. The second time I took her back to my room and banged her. I tried getting BBFS but she said she didn't do that. I figured if I could get her to come over I could at least get a double BBBJ as I knew my girl would be up for it. I texted her and she immediately responded. I told her I was at my hotel room with another chica friend of mine and was looking for another girl to join us. She agreed to come over right away and said she was on her way to work, it was around sundown and quoted me $120 for 1 hour. I told her ok just let me know when you arrive and ready and that there was no rush since we would be at my room for the rest of the night. I didn't hear from her again until a couple hours later and she told me to go and get her. I headed to the club but couldn't find her. She then texted me again and told me to meet her outside. I went out but still couldn't find her when suddenly I spot her in her regular clothes. I greeted her and said, what the hell, I thought you were going to be working? She laughed and said fuck work, I didn't feel like going in. Oh ok LOL. Another thing I instantly noticed was that this chick was already in the party mood, having just smoked a joint and also seemingly knocked back a couple. I was expecting her to show up stone cold sober but this will work too I guess, I thought to myself. We headed inside and took the elevator up to my room and when the door closed I grabbed and pinned her against the wall and made out all the way up.
Once inside the room I introduced the girls to each other and luckily they took a liking to one another right away. The room had a stripper pole and Olivia started dancing on it as I turned the music up and my girl was singing along to the music. I busted out the tequila and we all did some shots. I had a six pack of beer in the mini fridge so we started drinking those as well. The girls then started talking about how work was going and some other stuff. I told Olivia I would have gotten together with her sooner but hadn't seen her around as much recently and she said she had stopped coming into work the past couple of months because she had a sugar daddy who had been providing pretty well for her but I guess they had recently been on the outs. Time was passing by so quickly due to the ongoing conversation between the three of us that next thing I knew 45 minutes had already went by. I didn't know how much of a clock watcher she would be but she seemed to be having a good time with us so I wasn't stressing too much. Still, I decided it was finally time to take control of the situation so I got in the bed between both of them and started making out with my girl first then turned to Olivia and started making out with her as well. We were already off to a great start. I immediately lost my clothes soon after and the girls began giving me a PSE level double BBBJ and things were going exactly by plan. This went on for several minutes and thankfully I was able to hold off on shooting my load as I came close to blowing it a couple of times. I then got up and told Olivia to lay down so I could eat her out while my girl laid beside her and sucked on her tits as she made out with her as well. After a few minutes I didn't want my girl to feel left out so I went to town on her next. My girl then instructed me to mount Olivia in mish and I expected one of them to reach for a condom as I had some on the night stand just in case but neither of them mentioned anything and Olivia was spreading wide for me, ready to go. I thought to myself, fuck it, and stuck my dick inside of her bare to which neither seemed to have a problem with so I just acted as if it was normal and not a big deal. After several minutes I felt like blowing my load again so I stopped so we could all make out with each other at the same time. I then started fucking my girl bare to which I thought she would give my dick a courtesy wipe as she has in the past when I have fucked other girls bare with her but she didn't do anything and just let me fuck her without a pause. I was still moreso in shock that Olivia had just let me fuck her bare since she hadn't let me that other time before when she said she doesn't do BBFS. Maybe she was just high or tipsy enough to not care or perhaps having my girl there to normalize the act went a long way as well. My girl then told Olivia to sit on her face so she could eat her out while I continued drilling her. I don't know how but up until now I was still able to hold off on blowing my load so I just kept going. I then switched back to fucking Olivia in doggy while she ate out my girl. My girl then hopped on for RCG while I made out with Olivia and sucked on her tits. After several minutes of that both of them started giving me another double BBBJ for a couple minutes. Just as I was about to blow my load they stopped for whatever reason and Olivia hopped on to ride me. My girl then scooted up to make out with me while Olivia rode and finally I couldn't hold out any longer and shot my load inside of Olivia.
My girl then hopped in the shower and Olivia joined her soon after. I wanted to hop in as well but then my girl told me to go buy another six pack of beer since we had finished the other one while they took a shower so I quickly got dressed and ran to Oxxo like the Flash LOL. When I got back they were just getting out of the shower and we cracked some cans open and got back into bed. By now we were at the 2 hour mark and Olivia wasn't showing any signs that she was ready to go. My girl started changing the channels on the tv and Olivia suggested we find a movie to watch. My girl then threw Netflix on and they both chose a movie and we were all in bed watching it with me in the middle. I had one arm around my girl and holding Olivia's hand with the other. I would take turns LFK'ing each of them every now and then throughout the movie and we watched it until the end. By this point I was wondering what was up with Olivia and why she hadn't left yet. Not that I wanted her to leave, she could have stayed all night if she wanted to, but I didn't want her with her hand out expecting more than we had agreed to by the time she left. She could have left practically at anytime she wanted to but chose to stick around on her own. By now we were easily at 4 hours for an agreed upon 1 hour session. Olivia then started getting calls and texts from her roommate asking when she would be back home and she said soon. She then said she better get going but still stuck around for another 30 minutes or so. My girl said she noticed her texting some guy so maybe she was lining up her next client, who knows. Anyways, this had gone way better than expected and we all had a great time and agreed to do it again some other day. I think I could have pushed for us to hook up again right then and there but I was kind of already worried about her expecting more money than we had agreed to so decided not to push it. Eventually I walked Olivia out and ended up giving her $150 which was $30 over what she had asked and she seemed fine with it. I also offered to pay for her Uber back home but she said not to worry about it. When I got back to my room my girl suspected she was about to meet up with another one of her clients LOL. I asked her if she liked Olivia and she said yes although she was a bit wilder than she had anticipated.
The following day we had another threesome, this time with a friend of my girl's, which was fine too but not as fun as the one with Olivia. This report has gone on long enough so I'll spare the details about that one and just say we had a good time. I left Tuesday afternoon because I had to get back to work. Surprisingly there wasn't a long wait to cross back on foot, only around 20 minutes which is unusual for a weekday afternoon. My girl said she enjoyed spending the weekend together and wants to stay for another 3 days this upcoming weekend with me as well but I can't shake off work this time so maybe we'll do a two nighter instead. If anything noteworthy happens I will report back.
Been a long time since posting and Zona Norte visit and miss the place. The energy. The fun.
Especially for those living in Southern California where it's relatively easy to travel to Zona Norte, it is still an amazing place to visit.
Yes prices do go up and it sounds like they have been, But. You need only to go to a club in San Diego or Las Vegas to realize just how lucky we have it. Do you realize that you can sit in a relatively safe bar, drink a beer that's not that expensive and squeeze the wonderful bodies of the girls for just a buck! Do you realize what that would cost you in the US if you could find a place that would allow it? Pickup a street girl in LA sometime on Figueroa Street. Perhaps they are not "that" expensive but I would say it is more risky in terms of safety than the popular Zona Norte bars.
I was recently watching the history channel and realizing just how hard it was to live in the 1900's. And it really makes you appreciate what we have.
Zona Norte is no different when it comes to appreciating what we have. There are very very few places on this planet where you have the diversity of income we do in the US compared to Mexico. Bangkok takes a day just to travel not to mention the $$$ ticket.
Just something to keep in mind when your whining about the bars down there.
-G.At least in LA I'm not hounded and surrounded by cock that is constantly hustling me and never leaves me alone. HK is good for newbies but gets old pretty quick. I personally haven't bought a session there in years. I'll stick to escorts. You can have that dump.
Doesn't matter if they have boundaries or not. They're still having to fellatio 20 hairy penises a night and be pounded by 10-20 nasty fat bastards a night as well. Even if that gives you money to have a nice lifestyle, you honestly think a woman with other adequate career options would do this? The answer is no. They do this be / see they have no other choice and need to survive because life in mexico is not the glamorous suburban life we enjoy in America. Additionally, even if they have boundaries and say "NO" to business that crosses these boundaries, you honestly think all customers obey these rules? Guarantee you that everyday there's a guy that treats them disrespectfully or holds these chica's heads to their crotches forever or pounds them so hard that till their eyes water from pain. Their life sucks man. They get abused everyday. They only smile to you in the club be / see they need your money. You are not their first option if they didn't have to work there.
Mongering is fun, but unfortunately this is the reality.Sometimes I think what it would be like to be a male escort for women. Then I cringe at that thought. A bunch of fat ugly over 50 women that want their snatch eaten. I could never do it, no matter how poor. God forbid this girl is waiting on the other side of the door for 125.00: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/AP-AicX6rkc.
Once inside the room I introduced the girls to each other and luckily they took a liking to one another right away. This is the most important thing in 3 somes. You had a blast it seems. My experience, the girls rarely (never) enjoy sex with each other, but they have sex with you together. It is such an experience for a str8 guy to kiss two beautiful women in turn.
Even just to try it once? I've seen reports say there is little that gets close to the experience of HK, short of flying all the way to FKK clubs or to Brazil. I've been to Colombia, but didn't love the feeling of having to always be on your toes and extra cautious with everything (spiked drinks, SA / FB girls, incalls, etc), and the seeming lack of any English (I speak enough Spanish to get by, but struggle in loud clubs or talking in depth). DR isn't my type and CR / Panama have mixed reviews on the quality (I'm coming from East Coast). I do plan to try Montreal when weather is better, though that certainly isn't cheaper.If you are in the east coast you have all the options you mentioned, but it seemed you dissed them all. You can come and try the Zona and see for yourself. There is one brothel / club that makes the place buzz, nothing much else that is world standard.
RikyMichaels7
01-18-24, 22:25
Doesn't matter if they have boundaries or not. They're still having to fellatio 20 hairy penises a night and be pounded by 10-20 nasty fat bastards a night as well. Even if that gives you money to have a nice lifestyle, you honestly think a woman with other adequate career options would do this? The answer is no. They do this be / see they have no other choice and need to survive because life in mexico is not the glamorous suburban life we enjoy in America. Additionally, even if they have boundaries and say "NO" to business that crosses these boundaries, you honestly think all customers obey these rules? Guarantee you that everyday there's a guy that treats them disrespectfully or holds these chica's heads to their crotches forever or pounds them so hard that till their eyes water from pain. Their life sucks man. They get abused everyday. They only smile to you in the club be / see they need your money. You are not their first option if they didn't have to work there.
Mongering is fun, but unfortunately this is the reality.I totally agree with you. I remember years ago sitting with a "lifer" in Adelitas. I would always say Hello, to her and buy her a few drinks. One day she started bawling her eyes out and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't take her work anymore, telling me that many of her clients treated her like an animal and wanted to do all kinds of weird and perverted stuff. She told me that she always wanted to "be someone" when she was younger and said that she considered herself to be a non-human piece of shit. And a slave to her work. She told me she wanted to end her life as she had no dignity as a woman with no opportunities to work and normal, respectful job. Sad. Very sad.
She did some math of her own and said since she wouldn't be going to work she would at least need something for some expenses of hers and asked what I thought about giving her $420 for 3 days and 3 nights.
The following day we had another threesome,....Wow 3 days / nights for $420 - that's an amazing deal.
Do you have photos of her.
I assume that is a custom deal for you only?
Has anyone else experienced all day sessions for under $150/ day?
BTW. While I asm sure you enjoyed your threesomes. I have zero interest in it.
My mind & body is fully engaged & satisfied with just one gal.
First of all excuse the long post for those who hate reading. You won't offend me by skipping my post.I enjoy reading your posts. Appreciate all the details on how you setup and manage things with the chicas. Three whole days of GFE for $420 is quite the bargain.
VegasGambler9
01-19-24, 01:40
I've heard prices have changed at Hong Kong. What's the average price the girls at HK are asking for? Is it still around 80 to 100?
ABAJoeSmith123
01-19-24, 03:51
I totally agree with you. I remember years ago sitting with a "lifer" in Adelitas. I would always say Hello, to her and buy her a few drinks. One day she started bawling her eyes out and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't take her work anymore, telling me that many of her clients treated her like an animal and wanted to do all kinds of weird and perverted stuff. She told me that she always wanted to "be someone" when she was younger and said that she considered herself to be a non-human piece of shit. And a slave to her work. She told me she wanted to end her life as she had no dignity as a woman with no opportunities to work and normal, respectful job. Sad. Very sad.Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.
Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.
Wow 3 days / nights for $420 - that's an amazing deal.
Do you have photos of her.
I assume that is a custom deal for you only?
Has anyone else experienced all day sessions for under $150/ day?
BTW. While I asm sure you enjoyed your threesomes. I have zero interest in it.
My mind & body is fully engaged & satisfied with just one gal.
Yeah she charges clients usually way more. She just happened to be in a pinch due to some family drama and wanted to get away from home for a few days and was honest about how much money she needed at the time. Last year she gave me similar type deals several times as well and would sometimes give me free ST sessions whenever she was on duty at the club. A couple months ago around the holidays she started charging me a little more but grandfathered me in at her old rates from when I met her a couple years ago. Now that were clear of the holiday season it seems like I might be able to get back to the super discounts every now and then. If a girl takes a liking to you and you're also able to make them cum, you start reaping the benefits as I'm sure a lot of you know.
This is the most important thing in 3 somes. You had a blast it seems. My experience, the girls rarely (never) enjoy sex with each other, but they have sex with you together. It is such an experience for a str8 guy to kiss two beautiful women in turn.
The key is to get half the battle over with and find a girl who is genuinely into other girls. Chances are she knows other girls who are the same.
If a friend of hers isn't available, then make it clear to other girls you talk to that you already have a girl who is game for anything and tell them it's important that they're into other girls as well otherwise it's not going to work out. I have turned down several girls for threesomes because when I ask if they're into other girls they either will admit they're not or they're not convincing enough in the way they answer because most girls will say yes just to earn your business but you have to be able to weed out the ones who will be genuinely into it as opposed to the ones who do it just for work.
Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and
has serious mental health issues themselves.
Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.Your a kind soul Joe much like I am. I feel bad for the girls at the zona at times. For mr I feel worse that I still have the desire to pay for sex because I will be honest I am too old and fat to actually attract a girl who likes me for me. Dating is impossible for me. If it wasn't for paid sex I would have no aex at all, that is a depressing thought. We aren't the chicas first, second, or third choice, they are providing a service. Be kind to them.
RikyMichaels7
01-19-24, 19:25
Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.
Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.Amen brother. Years ago, I dated a girl that worked at Adelitas. She had 3 kids and was previously married to a taxi driver in Mexicali. He often used to smack her and his kids around with her having to put up with it because she had no job or alternatives to get out of the situation. This dude would get drunk late at night and then come home and wreak havoc on the family. Of course, he had other girlfriends as well. She said she got to the point where she couldn't take it anymore and she contemplated committing suicide. One night she said he came home drunk and she said she wanted to kill him. While lying in bed sleeping, she poured gasoline on the bed and lit a match to it. He was able to extinguish the fire and left the house. She called the police (who are generally worthless in these domestic situations) and they actually sided with her. They called him up and told him that if he ever returns to the house that he would go to jail for a long time. He never returned.
So here she is alone with no money and the need to pay rent, buy food, etc. She got a job at a Panasonic battery factory in Mexicali. She worked about 50 hours a week and made 70.00 a week. She had to take a taxi everyday to and from work and pay for baby sitting. After a short period of time she realized that this job would not meet her needs. She was exhausted and mentally and physically defeated. One day, she saw an ad in the paper for waitresses at a bar in Tijuana called Bar Tropical. So she went to Tijuana and interviewed with the Manager. They offered her the job, telling her how she should dress, etc and that they would give her on the job training. She went to work on her first day and sat with a line of women right where you enter the bar. She realized that this was not a waittress job but rather a job as a prostitute. She was upset at her naivete, realizing that she had been tricked and lied to. She said she sat for about two hours and a gringo from San Diego approached her and they went to a table together. He bought her a few drinks and then asked if she would like to go to Rosarito with her. She told him she couldn't leave the bar until her shift was over. The man proceeded to hand her a 100 dollar bill while buying her a few more drinks and exchanging phone numbers.
Upon receiving the 100 dollars and receiving 5 ficha tickets worth about 3. 00 each, she thought to herself, wow, this may not be so bad. That she could never make this kind of money anywhere else in Mexico. Soon enough, she started going arriba making 60-80 dollars each time, and realized that this money would help meet her needs to survive financially. After a few months she heard that more money could be made working in Adelitas and she went to work there. She told me that she generally worked from Thursday through Monday and averaged going arriba 4 times a day at 80.00 a pop. This money was in addition to the fichas that she redeemed. She said that management was extremely strict and that she had to be prompt, not miss any shifts and had to sell 10 drinks to clients daily. She said that she fell short on a few occasions of meeting her ficha quota and was sternly reprimanded and threatened with being fired. Her solution to ensure meeting the quota was to work extra hours. Usually 10-12 hours a day.
Now while all of the above sounds like a wonderful proposition, it was not as glamorous as it sounds. She stated that her mother and family would disown her if they found out what she was doing do she had to lie, telling them that she worked in a restaurant. She felt that she had no dignity and especially by allowing her body to be violated by some of the most crude, nasty men. Many were very nice to her but there were several that treated her poorly. She said she got to the point where as soon as she got to the room that she would detach herself from her own body to get through the session. She hated it but understood that this enabled her to support her family. To survive.
She eventually met a gringo and they had a relationship going on where he paid for all of her financial needs, including paying for a boob job. He expected her to work at Adelitas still. They didn't live together but he would come down and meet her every weekend in the bar. One night she said he came in with another woman and told her that this is his new girlfriend and that the relationship was over.
Enter Riky into the picture. I met her one night in Adelitas. We talked for hours and I realized that she was unlike the other professional hustlers in the bar. I liked her and thought that she was a nice woman. We started dating and shortly afterwards she told me that she felt that she was disrespecting me by being my girlfriend yet still working in the bar. She stated that she wanted to leave that scene and get a normal job. So, the plan was that I would help her financially while she got a real job. She went to barber school and became a hair stylist. Problem was that she was lucky to make 10.00 a day. Months went by and she couldn't find work. She ended up getting a job selling cookware at a telemarketing firm in Rio Tijuana. She worked 6 days a week at 12 hours a day selling on commission. There were weeks where she had zero sales and other weeks where she had 3 or 4, enabling her to make enough money to survive.
I ended up with my job getting transferred to Texas. We would see each other occasionally in border towns in Mexico but the relationship eventually died. We lost contact and that was the end of the story. So don't kid yourself when you think that these bar girls live glamorous lives. Sure, some of them may think they do, but the majority will tell you that it is a thankless, shitty job. Most of them will tell you that their goal was to be somebody in life but that lofty dream is the majority of time unattainable in Mexico. This is my perspective.
Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.
Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.True, Not an HK girl but my favorite who I have known for nearly 15 years is a very sweet soul. Has always been very nice with me and I the same with her since the beginning. Maybe it's an act, or maybe not. I don't know. We have kept in touch with each other by text over the many years.
I have offered to help her with school or some other job training to help her change her life, but she hasn't taken me up on the offer. What's stopping her? I suspect some of them for their entire working lives might be paying off family debts owed to bad characters back home? Maybe just my imagination running? Or not. She's told me about being chocked in the past by customers and thought she was going to die. It's a fked world and people are disgusting.
Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.
- Ans. To some degree, the same can be said about 90% of women in the west who waste their youth laying with 100's of men.
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Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
-Ans. Your error starts with you comparing mongers with criminals in jail. Prostitutes do not see their Johns as sex victims in jail see their attackers. This is just too extreme. If at all prostitutes on average see their johns as "stupid fools" who want to pay them for sex.
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HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.
-Ans. The issue HK girls face when it comes to their mental state has to do something that comes from other girls, not mongers. Here is a scenario, when a girl stands to market herself and see another got picked up requires a certain level emotional callus on the part of the girl who is not picked. At the end of the day she is there because there is some benefit to be had despite scenarios like that. Blame the game not the mongers. Most mongers I see actually are decent middle aged men who are sidelined from the dating market in their country due to their inability to trudge through the feminist infested culture they live in.
See my answers in line above.
I've heard prices have changed at Hong Kong. What's the average price the girls at HK are asking for? Is it still around 80 to 100?You can get those prices but you have to charm the girl and negotiate.
The key is to get half the battle over with and find a girl who is genuinely into other girls. Chances are she knows other girls who are the same.
If a friend of hers isn't available, then make it clear to other girls you talk to that you already have a girl who is game for anything and tell them it's important that they're into other girls as well otherwise it's not going to work out.Girls might say yes but truly it is hard to find those who love to eat pussy and enjoy it without you. In all honesty I don't peruse it. I want the women into me, I am the center of attention and I am the leader of the activity, I love them and they get loved. This is the scenario that turns me on. Usually the other girl not being penetrated would be either filming, kissing me, holding my hand, or help us with insertion. One girl wanted to finger my ass and asked for permission while I was doing the other. Told her she can slap my ass lightly if she liked but fingering is a no no. LOL.
A long time ago I was in 4 x4 and met this real sweetheart who was insane in bed. She loved to eat butt like it was ice cream. She could go the full hour. Just amazing. Anyway, the third night we talked in the bar area before going up, and she told me how miserable every girl is at 4 x4 being hookers. I told her they seem happy and smile a lot but she said on the inside they all cry when alone or in front of other girls. She liked being with me, but not all guys are good to them. I think that's where the problem comes in. It could be 50/50 good / bad men. Unfortunately, I never kept her number. It would be nice to see what she is up to today and get an amazing session. She would be about 37 today. I can only imagine what she is like in bed today. She was only 22 at that time and loved sex. Bottom line these girls do what they have to do to survive. Some stick it out for years and some quit in weeks or days.
She got a job at a Panasonic battery factory in Mexicali. She worked about 50 hours a week and made 70.00 a week. .That's precisely the point. For many gals this is a great economic alternative. Fast money and not so bad if the guys are nice.
Perhaps I am making the mistake that all guys treat them as nicely as I do.
I treat them nicely and with respect and I assume most guys do based on what I see in the club.
Let's give each other the benefit of doubt.
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01-21-24, 01:21
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ABAJoeSmith123
01-22-24, 00:42
That's precisely the point. For many gals this is a great economic alternative. Fast money and not so bad if the guys are nice.
Perhaps I am making the mistake that all guys treat them as nicely as I do.
I treat them nicely and with respect and I assume most guys do based on what I see in the club.
Let's give each other the benefit of doubt.Yes you are making the mistake that all guys treat HK chicas nicely. A good chunk are disgusting pervs who get a kick out of humiliating a chica sexually in the hotel; the just what happens based on the nature of the business of selling sex. Just if you evaluated the population of IV drug dealer. Vast majority of buying customers are of a certain breed with certain qualities. Same goes for mongers; there are those who are sick fuckers. You'd be naive to think otherwise.
Yes you are making the mistake that all guys treat HK chicas nicely. A good chunk are disgusting pervs who get a kick out of humiliating a chica sexually in the hotel; the just what happens based on the nature of the business of selling sex. Just if you evaluated the population of IV drug dealer. Vast majority of buying customers are of a certain breed with certain qualities. Same goes for mongers; there are those who are sick fuckers. You'd be naive to think otherwise.The positive thing about HK and most clubs are that the chicas have WA networks that warn each other which John requests what and what they have to do for their resources. I've seen some where they post the guys photo and warn the clubs, security and chicas to be on a look out for abusers. You don't think they handle their own business would be foolish. The guy may get away once or twice, but have a reputation that follows you. Some chicas do circuits around Mexico and some in European destinations. I am sure the Johns that degrade woman probably stick with street prostitutes in the USA That are pimped and drugged or desperate for the next dollar.
Yes you are making the mistake that all guys treat HK chicas nicely. A good chunk are disgusting pervs who get a kick out of humiliating a chica sexually in the hotel; the just what happens based on the nature of the business of selling sex. Just if you evaluated the population of IV drug dealer. Vast majority of buying customers are of a certain breed with certain qualities. Same goes for mongers; there are those who are sick fuckers. You'd be naive to think otherwise.In my 24 years visiting Tijuana, most people I met were really respectful. However, on my last adventure I spoke to man at the bar that was telling me about some really strange abusive stuff he liked to do. When I didn't agree with him and his perspective he started to get hostile with me. So I do believe there is a sizeable contingent of men that mistreat the girls once in the room. They are just not usually in the circles I run in.
ABAJoeSmith123
01-22-24, 05:19
The positive thing about HK and most clubs are that the chicas have WA networks that warn each other which John requests what and what they have to do for their resources. I've seen some where they post the guys photo and warn the clubs, security and chicas to be on a look out for abusers. You don't think they handle their own business would be foolish. The guy may get away once or twice, but have a reputation that follows you. Some chicas do circuits around Mexico and some in European destinations. I am sure the Johns that degrade woman probably stick with street prostitutes in the USA That are pimped and drugged or desperate for the next dollar.Sure, they can circulate a text or photo via whatsapps as much as they want, but honestly it wouldn't do anything. Club has too many patrons for anyone to remember anyone. In the dark lighting and crowd of a Saturday night, unless you're a celeb, you will never stand out. You will just blend into the crowd of 100's of other similar looking men. I wouldn't put a single dollar on the "educated" staff there to reliably watch out for offenders on a whatsapp text that chicas circulate among their own small meaningless circles. It's as meaningless as those "wanted" criminal photo shots you see at airports or border crossings; everyone looks the same and you'd never be able to pick out anyone in a crowd.
Cocr Brotheler
01-22-24, 07:52
'She got a job at a Panasonic battery factory in Mexicali. She worked about 50 hours a week and made 70.00 a week. '.
And being exposed to all the toxic lead inside batteries also.
When was in Monterrey last week one of my Uber drivers mentioned that one area of Monterrey had the worst air pollution in the world several days the preceeding week. Also I read a story in Austin American Statesman recently that conditions for workers in MEX horrible; one man who worked in a battery dismantling plant in Monterrey had basically no protection event though Mgmt. lied saying he did and he developed severe lead poisoning.
KetoAndKettle
01-22-24, 19:50
In my 24 years visiting Tijuana, most people I met were really respectful. However, on my last adventure I spoke to man at the bar that was telling me about some really strange abusive stuff he liked to do. When I didn't agree with him and his perspective he started to get hostile with me. So I do believe there is a sizeable contingent of men that mistreat the girls once in the room. They are just not usually in the circles I run in.I almost got into a fight with someone who reacted the same way one time. And then a month later, another the-bag telling me the same thing about his rough style.
So that second time, I looked at him with a smirk, and said: "Dude, I got to try that! Sounds amazing', and then fist bumped him and then left to get another drink.
Before I said something snide on purpose. The universe finds some way to throw an unexpected karma-slap at them usually fortunately.
Flawless Zeal
01-22-24, 20:42
I almost got into a fight with someone who reacted the same way one time. And then a month later, another the-bag telling me the same thing about his rough style.
So that second time, I looked at him with a smirk, and said: "Dude, I got to try that! Sounds amazing', and then fist bumped him and then left to get another drink.
Before I said something snide on purpose. The universe finds some way to throw an unexpected karma-slap at them usually fortunately.Why not just say, "Yeah, that's not my style. "? That's not going to start a fight, but also not giving tacit approval. It's not the strongest response, but if he gets that reaction enough, he might question his outlook.
I almost got into a fight with someone who reacted the same way one time. And then a month later, another the-bag telling me the same thing about his rough style.
So that second time, I looked at him with a smirk, and said: "Dude, I got to try that! Sounds amazing', and then fist bumped him and then left to get another drink.
Before I said something snide on purpose. The universe finds some way to throw an unexpected karma-slap at them usually fortunately.I was once having tacos at a cart when a guy followed another out of the club and was ready to beat the other guy because he saw him dis-respect a gal.
He confronted that guy, etc. I stepped in and told the guy that he made his point and did a nice thing but that he should now stop. He eventually stopped.
So. My point is there are also guys there who will not tolerate others mistreating a gal (if they see it).
I do understand the abuse in discussion here is the stuff behind closed doors in a hotel room.
Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.
Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.Hehehe! ABA JoeSmith123 only in January you hurled insults at us, the customers of the Hong Kong club, here I quote: low lifer, fat bastards, disgusting pervs, sick fuckers, disgusting inmates, creepy dudes. ABA if you don't like the Hong Kong club, ask your US congressman to legalize prostitution in your state in the US and open a beautiful brothel with beautiful customers and beautiful girls and you won't have to visit the Hong Kong club.
DonCarlos1234
01-23-24, 09:52
and you won't have to visit the Hong Kong club.Right here in the USA. I met one of the "employees" of Sheri's here in Vegas for dinner a couple times. Gorgeous. Was in their calendar, clean, not anything like HKTJ. Personally I'm heading for Colombia again. Not just for the women. Valle del Cauca is stunning.
Chicken Ranch.
Sheri's Ranch'.
Alien Cathouse.
KetoAndKettle
01-23-24, 17:48
The combo of my deadpan expression and my fake enthusiasm, I think, conveyed the message I wanted to convey.
Why not just say, "Yeah, that's not my style. "? That's not going to start a fight, but also not giving tacit approval. It's not the strongest response, but if he gets that reaction enough, he might question his outlook.
I was once having tacos at a cart when a guy followed another out of the club and was ready to beat the other guy because he saw him dis-respect a gal.
He confronted that guy, etc. I stepped in and told the guy that he made his point and did a nice thing but that he should now stop. He eventually stopped.
So. My point is there are also guys there who will not tolerate others mistreating a gal (if they see it).
I do understand the abuse in discussion here is the stuff behind closed doors in a hotel room.Some 10 years ago on Pattaya Thailand an Australian spittle was abusing a working in a bar treating her like she is his slave, calling her unmentionable names while his two before he threw money at her while his friends were laughing about it. A nearby Latino American person who was watching this at the bar approached the man and asked him to apologize to her because what he was doing was extremely rude. A fight ensues and the American grabs a knife and stubs the Aussie multiple times puncturing his lung and kills him. Turned out the American was a released long time inmate for violent offense.
There is abuse going on. I do not discuss what I have seen because I do not want low life punks aware of what they can do.
It is also why I think guys who go down there, clean, treating the ladies with respect and not being a cheapa $$ get OUTSTANDING service. I do not know if these girls like sex or if they acting but if it is acting then they should get an award for how good they do it. I do not see anything like it in the USA. I do not have the greatest looks but the locas in Mexico treat me like a king.
In my 24 years visiting Tijuana, most people I met were really respectful. However, on my last adventure I spoke to man at the bar that was telling me about some really strange abusive stuff he liked to do. When I didn't agree with him and his perspective he started to get hostile with me. So I do believe there is a sizeable contingent of men that mistreat the girls once in the room. They are just not usually in the circles I run in.
Was there a couple weeks ago. The first young hottie I got a drink with wanted 150. I gave her a chance asking her what services she does. She said nothing special that is the rate. We parted ways after one drink.
Found many others willing to take $100 or $120 in HK, Tropical and Chicago. Not sure why that girl was stuck on 150. Saw her a few times with guys drinking beer. She was really good looking. Never saw her go upstairs.
The first girl I agreed to go up stairs asked for $100 but earned more. I am willing to pay more but the loca needs to earn it with service. That first one was a dead fish in bed for sure imo.
I've heard prices have changed at Hong Kong. What's the average price the girls at HK are asking for? Is it still around 80 to 100?
Dcrist0527
01-27-24, 03:30
There is abuse going on. I do not discuss what I have seen because I do not want low life punks aware of what they can do.
It is also why I think guys who go down there, clean, treating the ladies with respect and not being a cheapa $$ get OUTSTANDING service. I do not know if these girls like sex or if they acting but if it is acting then they should get an award for how good they do it. I do not see anything like it in the USA. I do not have the greatest looks but the locas in Mexico treat me like a king.This is pure gold. I'm fat. Old. And ugly. But I treat the girls with respect. Some guys will never understand how it works. And typically men that feel the need to demean women like that have major issues. It's sad and pathetic.
I'll say this, and I know this is foolish or even comes off as some faux bravado. But guys, I do think we have somewhat of an obligation to police it. I'm not talking about vigilantes or people going looking for that. But when you see it, you got to say something. No one deserves that, least of all women that are generally trying to entertain us. Though it's not as evil, I liken it to underage stuff. Our "hobby" won't ever be accepted by a majority. But for many reasons, we don't need to condone some of the general assumptions.
Rant over.
Aviator400
01-27-24, 04:11
Was there a couple weeks ago. The first young hottie I got a drink with wanted 150. I gave her a chance asking her what services she does. She said nothing special that is the rate. We parted ways after one drink.
Found many others willing to take $100 or $120 in HK, Tropical and Chicago. Not sure why that girl was stuck on 150. Saw her a few times with guys drinking beer. She was really good looking. Never saw her go upstairs.
The first girl I agreed to go up stairs asked for $100 but earned more. I am willing to pay more but the loca needs to earn it with service. That first one was a dead fish in bed for sure imo.Or she doesn't want to be there.
I would think that a chica that does want to be there and earn would figure out real fast that her price is too high. However, the fastest way to put off a monger is to quote a high price and not negotiate. In my case, no matter what her reason, I would have walked away from her without trying to negotiate.
Sure, they can circulate a text or photo via whatsapps as much as they want, but honestly it wouldn't do anything. Club has too many patrons for anyone to remember anyone. In the dark lighting and crowd of a Saturday night, unless you're a celeb, you will never stand out. You will just blend into the crowd of 100's of other similar looking men. I wouldn't put a single dollar on the "educated" staff there to reliably watch out for offenders on a whatsapp text that chicas circulate among their own small meaningless circles. It's as meaningless as those "wanted" criminal photo shots you see at airports or border crossings; everyone looks the same and you'd never be able to pick out anyone in a crowd.I've known friends to have their photo or video taken by random chicas and it does circulate quite fast if they truly want to find you. I didn't know about the WA chat groups until you actually see the correspondence between all the chicas. My friends are random dudes that don't stick out and are not celebrities. Just normal dudes, but when chicas want to know if you are in the club, then they will find out if a few of their amigas are at work. You can see them randomly in the club with their phone stuck to their faces eyeing the clientele. If they see someone they know or a friend's lover, then photos and videos circulate.
Some 10 years ago on Pattaya Thailand an Australian spittle was abusing a working in a bar treating her like she is his slave, calling her unmentionable names while his two before he threw money at her while his friends were laughing about it. A nearby Latino American person who was watching this at the bar approached the man and asked him to apologize to her because what he was doing was extremely rude. A fight ensues and the American grabs a knife and stubs the Aussie multiple times puncturing his lung and kills him. Turned out the American was a released long time inmate for violent offense.I've seen a group of Thai motorbike guys beating down a falang for disrespect. It is a common scene anywhere in the world. You don't know who anyone is and could potentially result in a hospital visit or the morgue depending how far they want to take it. It could be a member of the cartel, mafia, triad, yakuza, etc. Just have to be respectful and know your surroundings.
AmericanPi
01-27-24, 16:59
I've seen a group of Thai motorbike guys beating down a falang for disrespect. It is a common scene anywhere in the world. You don't know who anyone is and could potentially result in a hospital visit or the morgue depending how far they want to take it. It could be a member of the cartel, mafia, triad, yakuza, etc. Just have to be respectful and know your surroundings.Totally. As a rule you stay out of trouble in foreign countries. Not everybody likes Americans and many like to put us in our place and would relish the opportunity.
As a guest in a country your job is to put money into the economy, enjoy your time, and pillage their women. Anything else is no go zone.
Or she doesn't want to be there.
I would think that a chica that does want to be there and earn would figure out real fast that her price is too high. However, the fastest way to put off a monger is to quote a high price and not negotiate. In my case, no matter what her reason, I would have walked away from her without trying to negotiate.Took a girl once for $100+20 (propina) She was enthusiastic at first. In the room she was more bewildered than excited. Not sure what happened, next time I contacted her via what's up, she wouldn't move down any from $150. She is one of the top girls in HK, probably the top. She is like a swimsuit model type. Oh well I had it eaten and beaten the first and only time I saw her. Not ever going to pay any more than $120.
TerOnlyOnce
01-28-24, 02:27
Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.
Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.I don't think this is an accurate representation of the situation.
The more attractive girls in HK probably are doing just fine and do not see their life as a "prison" with disgusting inmates lining up to fuck them.
I'm sure the more attractive ones that have big fake butts, big tits, etc have regular sugar daddy clients that they can comfortably hit up in rotation so that their money does not dry up. I doubt they are stooping so low to the point where they feel they are being fucked by prison inmates just to get by.
Now when it comes to the average looking HK girls, which makes up the bulk of HK. I'm not sure.
What you have to understand though is that this is a marketplace. The most attractive obviously will have an easier time and make the most money. Frequent arribas with their choice of men, able to turn down offers when they want, can continue to wait for good candidates because they already have enough money coming from other clients, etc.
It also depends on the individual girls within HK. I'm sure some of them have other sources of income and HK is not literally their only income stream. So they are comfortable charging more for arriba, holding off more, and thus they don't see working at HK as having to fuck inmates to survive. They can wait and be more selective since they have income elsewhere, regardless of how they look.
In general though, in a market like this it makes sense that the top 3-5% in looks will take the lion's share of the money.
And the bottom 95% will hardly get anything. This description of prison inmates fucking these bottom 95% of girls does not match reality in my opinion. What is most likely happening is that the bottom 95% (also known as the average looking girls) may get an occasional customer here and there and that's it. What's really happening is that these girls are barely getting any business at all. Because they look average and there's so many of them to choose from. Whether they feel they hate their lives because of this is up to their own intrepretation. This is simply how the market behaves. The top 3-5% that are very hot will get the most attention and most clients. The bottom 90-95% will simply get scraps. That's just how it goes. Because the buyers will compare the average girl to the hottest girls in the club. The difference in price between girl is pretty much nonexistent. So given the option, the buyer will put his money on the hottest that he sees. Typically these are the big butt ones, big tits, or model looking / slender, etc.
To add on this, I don't know if the average looking girl in HK would be more likely to provide better service because of this reality. Or if she'd be more cooperative and grateful for your business. My instincts tell me that no, she would not be willing to provide better service or be grateful. Simply because the US is too close to tijuana, and I feel that the feminism has already seaped in. Which means I wouldn't be surprised if these girls felt their deserved more customers or felt entitled to more business, and they wouldn't be grateful or be more cooperative / provoide attentive service because you chose them. This is just my speculation though.
The more attractive girls in HK probably are doing just fine and do not see their life as a "prison" with disgusting inmates lining up to fuck them.
I'm sure the more attractive ones that have big fake butts, big tits, etc have regular sugar daddy clients that they can comfortably hit up in rotation so that their money does not dry up. I doubt they are stooping so low to the point where they feel they are being fucked by prison inmates just to get by.
Now when it comes to the average looking HK girls, which makes up the bulk of HK. I'm not sure.
This description of prison inmates fucking these bottom 95% of girls does not match reality in my opinion. What's really happening is that these girls are barely getting any business at all. Because they look average and there's so many of them to choose from. Whether they feel they hate their lives because of this is up to their own intrepretation. .I agree with most of what you wrote. HK gals are not living in misery.
My guess on % of gals vs #arribas per night. In club.
Top 10% - gets 8+ customers a night.
Next 30% - get 2+ customers a night.
Next 20% - get 1+ customer a night on average.
Bottom 40% get a arriba about once every other night.
Those that don't get arribas at all will just leave the club / business.
Very few long termers will be living in misery or get mis-treated (they all have security mechanisms to avoid serious abuse).
Street gals will get more arribas but not more money.
TerOnlyOnce
01-28-24, 20:52
I agree with most of what you wrote. HK gals are not living in misery.
My guess on % of gals vs #arribas per night. In club.
Top 10% - gets 8+ customers a night.
Next 30% - get 2+ customers a night.
Next 20% - get 1+ customer a night on average.
Bottom 40% get a arriba about once every other night.
Those that don't get arribas at all will just leave the club / business.
Very few long termers will be living in misery or get mis-treated (they all have security mechanisms to avoid serious abuse).
Street gals will get more arribas but not more money.I made my estimate based on what you'the see on a site like onlyfans, an open sexual market.
The top 3-5% make all the money basically. The bottom 95% make hardly anything. Less than like $1000 a month I believe.
The point is to show that this type of market place is extremely extremely skewed. Most women get nothing, the very small minority get practically everything.
Now when you apply that to HK, I would say the most attractive are doing just fine.
But the bottom 95% would be lucky to get 1 customer per night.
The reason why is because on a Friday and Saturday night, the American men will come in, and spend the bulk of their money on only 1 or 2 girls. Typically the ones that they deem the hottest. How many girls are in HK on a Friday and Saturday night? Tons, maybe like 50-70 different girls. There is just not enough spending men for half of those girls to get at least 1 arriba. There's plenty of money being flinged around. But that's only happening around the select few women that the whales have selected for the night. And my speculation is that average HK girls will see this, and they will start thinking and believing that they can compete too. When in reality their looks are no where near up to par. And therefore they will start barking and won't be focused on giving good service, instead they will want to behave like the hot girls they see, able to give mediocre service yet a lot of customers still lining up to give them money.
It just goes back to basic economics. In a free market like this, you will typically see a handful of whales that are spending on their favorite girls. The majority of the men are just chilling and the majority of the women are not getting any business or arribas.
I will say that if HK charges the girls an entry fee just to work there each night, that could throw all this speculation out the window. Because that would mean each chick you see in HK on a Friday night is most likely at least breaking even on her investment. So there's enough spending guys in there to accommodate every girl to get at least a few drink sales and maybe 1 arriba each.
There's a lot of details I don't know for me to make any accurate takes on this, just purely speculation at this point.
Rainman306
01-29-24, 00:51
I mostly agree with Rambo's numbers, but an Average of 8 per night for the top 10% is too high. Not even the top 1% average that.
There's slow nights. Nights when party & drinking guys pack up the club keeping Arriba guys out. A few slow nights here & there really kill an average.
When guys are eyeing a chica & she goes ariba, ariba, ariba. Guys will will start to jump fast at her, so they very well might have an 8 arriba night, but I would put the average at 4-5 max.
I think a lot of chicas do well to do 2 arribas in a night.
I mostly agree with Rambo's numbers, but an Average of 8 per night for the top 10% is too high. Not even the top 1% average that.
There's slow nights. Nights when party & drinking guys pack up the club keeping Arriba guys out. A few slow nights here & there really kill an average.
When guys are eyeing a chica & she goes ariba, ariba, ariba. Guys will will start to jump fast at her, so they very well might have an 8 arriba night, but I would put the average at 4-5 max.
I think a lot of chicas do well to do 2 arribas in a night.If I see a girl go up she will be the last chic I seek at least for the next week.
ABAJoeSmith123
01-29-24, 03:25
I agree with most of what you wrote. HK gals are not living in misery.
My guess on % of gals vs #arribas per night. In club.
Top 10% - gets 8+ customers a night.
Next 30% - get 2+ customers a night.
Next 20% - get 1+ customer a night on average.
Bottom 40% get a arriba about once every other night.
Those that don't get arribas at all will just leave the club / business.
Very few long termers will be living in misery or get mis-treated (they all have security mechanisms to avoid serious abuse).
Street gals will get more arribas but not more money.Very great analysis! I like it!
To add to it, I'd say that life is mostly hell for the top 10% because they arriba with the most clients and therefore encounter the highest number of bad clients. They're the ones that garner the attention of most of malicious people and have to endure torment in the hotel 8-10 x per night. Anyone getting ravaged that many times a night isn't going to last long, which is why the hot ones have the shortest career span just like the bottom 40% that get no customers and don't last long either due to lack of money forcing them to leave the club. Its the middle 50% that gets stuck in the club forever.
I agree with most of what you wrote. HK gals are not living in misery.
My guess on % of gals vs #arribas per night. In club.
Top 10% - gets 8+ customers a night.
Next 30% - get 2+ customers a night.
Next 20% - get 1+ customer a night on average.
Bottom 40% get a arriba about once every other night.
Those that don't get arribas at all will just leave the club / business.
Very few long termers will be living in misery or get mis-treated (they all have security mechanisms to avoid serious abuse).
Street gals will get more arribas but not more money.These chicas are smart. When they save enough money, they go back to their region of Mexico and start a business. I remember the chicas from Adelitas and Hong Kong (they don't work anymore) but they opened the following businesses: Coffee plantation in the Chiapas region (near the border with Guatemala), a restaurant in Guadalajara, a beauty salon in Rosarito, a shop in Ensenada and one graduated from a nursing school in Guadalajara. Local young chicas from Tijuana often work to have money for cosmetics, etc. In Hong Kong, when a customer starts a fight or is aggressive towards a girl, she notifies security and security throws him out of the club, takes a photo of him and sometimes calls the police. Security won't let him into the HK club anymore. BTW If I go bankrupt in HK, I will be guaranteed a job on a chica coffee plantation in Chiapas for USD 80/ week hehehe!
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BrotherMouzone
01-29-24, 12:23
Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.
Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.I think it's a mistake to generalize and group all of the chicas into one basket. Agree that your description above accurately describes a decent percentage of Zona Norte chicas. But even still there's a wide variety of chicas here from all over Mexico that live a variety of lifestyles. As just one example, you may have some from rural areas of Mexico who've had limited amounts of formal education, whereas some are from larger cities and actually have college degrees (I personally know a couple with degrees).
Many of the chicas HATE their jobs and do it primarily as a means of financially supporting themselves and their family (whether it be just their kids or family they have back home), no doubt. But for some, believe it or not, the sex work actually isn't horrible to them (the work and the party atmosphere surrounding it can even be enjoyable in many instances), and is a way for them to afford a lifestyle they otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. I have an HK chica I'm friendly with who loves to travel who sent me pictures from a two-week vacation she and some family went on through various parts of Asia (Singapore, Japan, Thailand) earlier this month. As someone who just took a one week vacation to Hong Kong a few months ago even I was like "damn, wish I could afford to take a vacation like that" and go to some of the spots they went to, LOL. Not all of the girls have a "woe is me" attitude or feel the negative stigma associated with this work, believe it or not.
For many of the chicas, the work here truly is a "choice" they're making to live what they consider to be a better lifestyle (travel, clothes, cars, etc.). Many fully understand the risks involved and mitigate those risks accordingly to hopefully avoid some of the crap that comes with their work.
Again, I agree that a sizeable percentage of chicas hate this work and feel compelled to do it to financially support themselves and their families. I'm just pointing out that this doesn't apply to all chicas, many are perfectly content in what they are doing. Not the best analongy but I'd in a way liken it to legal sex work (porn star, stripper, etc.) here in the USA Yes, a lot of the girls who do that kind of work here in the States are unhappy but there are also a lot of girls in that work who are perfectly happy doing it, even to the point of disagreeing with the negative stigma attached to their work.
I think that the very high turnover, the alcohol abuse, the drug abuse implies that many if the girls start off believing it is a fun party job. Then it gets old real fast and they turn to substance abuse to take a mental escape. Then most quit after they cannot take it anymore. Hence the high turnover. There are very few that makes it beyond a year. Those that come back are wiser and work holidays or weekends. And they often give the waiters the middle finger when they act like pimps.
BrotherMouzone
01-29-24, 23:21
I think that the very high turnover, the alcohol abuse, the drug abuse implies that many if the girls start off believing it is a fun party job. Then it gets old real fast and they turn to substance abuse to take a mental escape. Then most quit after they cannot take it anymore. Hence the high turnover. There are very few that makes it beyond a year. Those that come back are wiser and work holidays or weekends. And they often give the waiters the middle finger when they act like pimps.Agree this applies to many of the girls. My only point is that it's a mistake to generalize all of the girls as following this pattern. They don't all end up hating the job and not all are alcohol or drug abusers. But yes I've certainly seen girls who fit this pattern. A stripper I knew in Vegas would dabble in coke because she told me it was "her only way to get through it". I'm sure many of the chicas in Tijuana have that same line of thinking.
AmericanPi
01-30-24, 01:01
Agree this applies to many of the girls. My only point is that it's a mistake to generalize all of the girls as following this pattern. They don't all end up hating the job and not all are alcohol or drug abusers. But yes I've certainly seen girls who fit this pattern. A stripper I knew in Vegas would dabble in coke because she told me it was "her only way to get through it". I'm sure many of the chicas in Tijuana have that same line of thinking.This conversation is falling into a familiar pattern. The fact that not bananas are yellow does not mean most of them aren't. Most are. Enough to bet that if you picked a banana blind chances are it'the be yellow. Not 100 pct, but close enough to bet on.
Some girls who arriba also enjoy it. For whatever reason. It's exciting. They are sex addicts. They are narcissists and love the attention.
But don't kid yourself. Most don't like it. They don't actually get to choose who enters their orifices. In a literal sense they do but any girl who makes a habit of rejecting HK patrons will be working the alley pretty soon if we're honest. And most of the guys at HK are not George Clooney. They're generally normal guys but normal means a mix of fat, sweaty, bad teeth, bad breath, over eager, awkward, and the like. I know, you're not like that and I'm not either. But you've been to HK and you know as well as I do these girls don't dream of these guys in their off hours.
And I have no problem with this. I go there regularly. I'm just saying we should look reality in the eye when it greets us. It's unbecoming to do otherwise.
Agree this applies to many of the girls. My only point is that it's a mistake to generalize all of the girls as following this pattern. They don't all end up hating the job and not all are alcohol or drug abusers. But yes I've certainly seen girls who fit this pattern. A stripper I knew in Vegas would dabble in coke because she told me it was "her only way to get through it". I'm sure many of the chicas in Tijuana have that same line of thinking.Discussing Las Vegas sex workers, I believe there's a significant contrast between those in the United States and those in other countries, particularly developing nations. In the USA, most women in this profession often appear toughened and emotionally scarred, frequently dealing with issues like drug use. Contrary to what one might expect, initial motivations for these women in the USA Seem to encompass a wide range of factors, excluding economic reasons.
In contrast, in Mexico and other developing or impoverished nations, economic necessity tends to take center stage in the decision to enter the profession. Personally, I find it difficult to envision myself paying for sexual services in the USA Anymore, given the prevalent experiences of emotionally hardened individuals and the prevalent drug use. The disparity in experiences is striking when compared to Latin America.
Furthermore, navigating the dating scene in the USA Feels akin to chewing on dried wood. It appears that the romantic landscape in the West has become weary and uninspiring.
TerOnlyOnce
01-30-24, 17:09
But don't kid yourself. Most don't like it. They don't actually get to choose who enters their orifices. In a literal sense they do but any girl who makes a habit of rejecting HK patrons will be working the alley pretty soon if we're honest. And most of the guys at HK are not George Clooney. They're generally normal guys but normal means a mix of fat, sweaty, bad teeth, bad breath, over eager, awkward, and the like. I know, you're not like that and I'm not either. But you've been to HK and you know as well as I do these girls don't dream of these guys in their off hours.How do you know that if girls in HK make it a habit to reject HK patrons they will be working in the alley soon?
There are a lot of guys in HK. Typically what the hotter girls will do if they want to reject a guy is make it harder for him to go arriba. They will upcharge by only accepting $100-120 and no less. They will not sit and drink with the guy beforehand and will only do arriba, nothing else. They can make it a habit to put off most guys and still make some money from customers that are thirsty enough to accept.
Another thing too is that even during these sessions, the girls try to get away with giving as little service as possible.
That sounds like a very tiresome way to make money to be honest but it happens. Basically upcharging guys, seeing whose thirsty enough, and then once in the room try to get away with doing as little as possible, maybe 2 minutes of actual penetration sex, and then out the door. Basically being a con woman.
So even if an HK girl wanted to reject patrons a bunch of times. There is still ways she can do it, while still making some money out of it LOL.
I know me personally though I would not participate in upcharge sessions, and I know that if I can detect a girl wants to finish up quick and not give me a satisfying arriba, then I will not go with her and will write her off for the future. But there are a lot of simps out there that are not like me.
BrotherMouzone
01-30-24, 19:33
This conversation is falling into a familiar pattern. The fact that not bananas are yellow does not mean most of them aren't. Most are. Enough to bet that if you picked a banana blind chances are it'the be yellow. Not 100 pct, but close enough to bet on.
Some girls who arriba also enjoy it. For whatever reason. It's exciting. They are sex addicts. They are narcissists and love the attention.
But don't kid yourself. Most don't like it. They don't actually get to choose who enters their orifices. In a literal sense they do but any girl who makes a habit of rejecting HK patrons will be working the alley pretty soon if we're honest. And most of the guys at HK are not George Clooney. They're generally normal guys but normal means a mix of fat, sweaty, bad teeth, bad breath, over eager, awkward, and the like. I know, you're not like that and I'm not either. But you've been to HK and you know as well as I do these girls don't dream of these guys in their off hours.
And I have no problem with this. I go there regularly. I'm just saying we should look reality in the eye when it greets us. It's unbecoming to do otherwise.I mostly agree and agree with the "most don't like it" sentiment. I just don't think it's as close to 100% (or even 90%) as many of you here are thinking. Think many of you are looking at it through the lens of your own personal view (a view which I happen to share) that sex work is abhorrent. But there's a decent percentage of girls that don't see it that way, even if they find the vast majority of guys they sleep with undesirable.
Dcrist0527
01-31-24, 00:33
I mostly agree and agree with the "most don't like it" sentiment. I just don't think it's as close to 100% (or even 90%) as many of you here are thinking. Think many of you are looking at it through the lens of your own personal view (a view which I happen to share) that sex work is abhorrent. But there's a decent percentage of girls that don't see it that way, even if they find the vast majority of guys they sleep with undesirable.Guys, this argument is insane. First, we can't possibly know what is going on in the minds of 91.65% of these girls. Throwing out numbers is just crazy. In my experience, these girls do it for the money. Most have tough family situations. Others do it to support a lavish lifestyle, at least by Mexican standards. But to think any of these girls actually like banging complete strangers every night is just foolish. It's a hard reality to admit. As others have said, some guys need to believe that the girl is multi-orgasmic with only him. Some deal with it better than others. But I feel safe saying none of them get up every day and say I can't wait to get destroyed by a few strangers that don't even speak my language.
This was not directed at you, Brother. Just a general statement.
ABAJoeSmith123
01-31-24, 05:09
Guys, this argument is insane. First, we can't possibly know what is going on in the minds of 91.65% of these girls. Throwing out numbers is just crazy. In my experience, these girls do it for the money. Most have tough family situations. Others do it to support a lavish lifestyle, at least by Mexican standards. But to think any of these girls actually like banging complete strangers every night is just foolish. It's a hard reality to admit. As others have said, some guys need to believe that the girl is multi-orgasmic with only him. Some deal with it better than others. But I feel safe saying none of them get up every day and say I can't wait to get destroyed by a few strangers that don't even speak my language.
This was not directed at you, Brother. Just a general statement.They ONLY do it for the money. No normal human woman likes getting degraded and pounded by some nasty dude they don't know and then having to repeat it all night. These girls wouldn't give you even a smile in another setting where they had a stable job and were not financially dependent on you for sex money. I was there last weekend and man. I saw some creepy and disgusting looking guys there. Just saying. I'm not saying I'm handsome by any means. I'm just saying people on this thread need to stop lying to themselves that the vast majority of mongers there look like tom cruise and make passionate sweet love to the women.
This conversation is falling into a familiar pattern. The fact that not bananas are yellow does not mean most of them aren't. Most are. Enough to bet that if you picked a banana blind chances are it'the be yellow. Not 100 pct, but close enough to bet on.
Some girls who arriba also enjoy it. For whatever reason. It's exciting. They are sex addicts. They are narcissists and love the attention.
But don't kid yourself. Most don't like it. They don't actually get to choose who enters their orifices. In a literal sense they do but any girl who makes a habit of rejecting HK patrons will be working the alley pretty soon if we're honest. And most of the guys at HK are not George Clooney. They're generally normal guys but normal means a mix of fat, sweaty, bad teeth, bad breath, over eager, awkward, and the like. I know, you're not like that and I'm not either. But you've been to HK and you know as well as I do these girls don't dream of these guys in their off hours.
And I have no problem with this. I go there regularly. I'm just saying we should look reality in the eye when it greets us. It's unbecoming to do otherwise.I was watching a youtube video called "entrevista con una cariñosa de club HongKong" when my HK regular entered my room. We watched it for about 15 minutes together. The girl being interviewed was painting a general rosy picture about her experience. I asked my girl what she thought, she said the girl in the interview was saying what seems to be things imposed on her either by her pimps or HK management. My girl said contrary to what is being told in the video the experience most girls face is horrific and she stressed that last word.
In my view even in the real world raw sex as in one-night-stand is rarely satisfactory to women. We men have the tendency to assume women are wired like us somehow but they are almost different creatures when it comes to this subject. Women do not take raw sex as a separate object of focus, not even as main part when it comes their relations with men. Yes they like it but it is part of a parcel that encapsulates a list of other factors, like trust, intimacy, love, admiration, respect also submission and safety. They are complicated. Men like me see a toe and get hard. LOL.
Given the above, it is highly unlikely to find a working girl that is enamored with her sexual experience with a monger.
AmericanPi
01-31-24, 15:14
I mostly agree and agree with the "most don't like it" sentiment. I just don't think it's as close to 100% (or even 90%) as many of you here are thinking. Think many of you are looking at it through the lens of your own personal view (a view which I happen to share) that sex work is abhorrent. But there's a decent percentage of girls that don't see it that way, even if they find the vast majority of guys they sleep with undesirable.I think we just part ways on logical structures here. Fine, it's not 90% that hate it. Make it 80. Make it 70. It doesn't change much. If there are 100 girls in the club and 70 of them have to mentally prepare for the awfulness that is Joe Public pounding them night after night, it's still an awful existence that has very few good off ramps. These situations are usually bad (yes I know not always every time for every person) and they don't end well (yes not always in every circumstance for every girl).
Again I'm no activist. I go to HK. I like it. I pick and choose the hottest girls. But I'm honest about what I'm doing. And I make sure to treat them well and pay them extra and thank them. Because I know that they are there for my benefit and would rather not have to suck my load off this Thursday afternoon before my mezcal tasting, no matter how charming I am.
I'll tell you guys which girls like their job. They are the ones that go upstairs with a favorite frequent client, one that she had sex with more than 10 times in the past. With a guy that treats her better than all the other guys in her past. For that one hour or so she likes her job. Then she comes back to reality hours later, and has to have sex with strangers who can kill her on the spot like the serial killer that was lurking in HK months ago.
I'll tell you guys which girls like their job. They are the ones that go upstairs with a favorite frequent client, one that she had sex with more than 10 times in the past. With a guy that treats her better than all the other guys in her past. For that one hour or so she likes her job. Then she comes back to reality hours later, and has to have sex with strangers who can kill her on the spot like the serial killer that was lurking in HK months ago.That was 2 years ago not months ago. Also you might want to check the Tijuana news each day and see how many girls go missing or are found dead. It's not just sex workers, and it may not be perfect but HK does what it can to make them safe. Why do you think more girls work at a place like HK instead of being escorts or go on X? They feel more comfortable and like to see the person before going up with him instead of blindly walking into a motel room were you have no idea on what to expect.
Cocr Brotheler
02-01-24, 07:47
I do too and that's why I visit and stay in Cascadas Mon or Tues evenings however the rooms I know about previous deaths I do not want to stay in.
Now just have to figure out how to avoid $30 wine bottle scam but someone posted in here that drinks price list in the back next to soap girl bar. Much easier to steer a chica away form $30 wine bottle if can show meteor drinks prices posted.
RedBaron78
02-01-24, 18:08
I do too and that's why I visit and stay in Cascadas Mon or Tues evenings however the rooms I know about previous deaths I do not want to stay in.
Now just have to figure out how to avoid $30 wine bottle scam but someone posted in here that drinks price list in the back next to soap girl bar. Much easier to steer a chica away form $30 wine bottle if can show meteor drinks prices posted.Yeah the posted drink prices aren't going to help you avoid it. The girls are encouraged by management to ask for wine. They're also incentivized by getting credit for 3 drinks that goes toward their drink quota. (instead of credit for 1 drink if they order a beer).
On the other hand, there is zero incentive for the customer to buy wine. You buy a beer for $12, or a wine for $30. No difference for the customer. As soon as they drink either one, the waiter will immediately ask you to buy another. After you sit with the girl for 15 minutes buying 3 wines, you've spent $90 on 3 drinks. And for what? Nothing. The wine it a total scam. Every customer that buys wine is getting ripped off and HK is laughing all the way to the bank.
I used to buy wine all the time. It got ridiculous. Now if I'm asked to buy wine, I just stand up and walk away. I say nothing. As I'm walking away the girl will say, "okay, I'll get a beer, I'll get beer". I just keep walking. The girl is now sitting there with nothing wishing she had not asked for wine. The waiter also doesn't get tipped because he didn't bring anything. In that scenario, they both lose. But to me, it no loss. There are 100 other girls standing around hoping to earn money.
If more customers would simply walk away when asked for wine leaving the girl and waiter with nothing, they might be hesitant to continue asking for wine. I've bought so many wines in the past. I'll never buy one again. When HK comes up with an incentive for the customer to spend $30 instead of $12, maybe I'll consider it. For now, it's a complete rip off.
I do too and that's why I visit and stay in Cascadas Mon or Tues evenings however the rooms I know about previous deaths I do not want to stay in.
Now just have to figure out how to avoid $30 wine bottle scam but someone posted in here that drinks price list in the back next to soap girl bar. Much easier to steer a chica away form $30 wine bottle if can show meteor drinks prices posted.What rooms are these, can you share room numbers?
Cocr Brotheler
02-01-24, 23:01
So true Red Baron! Is easy to get suckered into it and usually for me no matter where I go it is almost always my 1st attempt to pull a 'date' not so much cause I'm in a hurry but off guard especially if I just arrived into a place and had been traveling.
Happened to me in Costa Rica last trip when I first arrived to my hotel (Castillo), dropped my bags then off to walk to a nearby restaurant open later (Sportsmen's) when a fat tummied working Ho inside Castillo shanghaied me following me saying things to make me feel guilty for trying to brush her off. So Ok you can come with me to dinner at Sportsmen's and she not real expensive to give drinks or food to but back in the room changed the contract from 2 hours for $125 to only 1, $125 for 2nd hour. No way San Jose, paid her to leave after the 1st hour. Has been like that in HK for me also. 2 of the last 5 gals there I had to send packing cause they wanted $ up front. No way Tijuana! But when you get the good outweighs the bad.
If you don't want wine just say "beer only". They aren't forcing you to get wine.
1) You aren't looking good by buying expensive drinks. It just makes you look like a sucker and a target. The "wine" is more than likely some kind of piss water.
2) If the girl shows attitude over this, imagine how she will be in the room. Let her go. This is actually a good way to ward off the sharks. In fact, any time I see a girl sitting there with one of those wine glasses, that is a strike against her in my book.
3) If you find it difficult to say no when the girl / waiter try to pull this scam on you, I would suggest you search for a backbone.
LuvMexicanas
02-02-24, 02:49
Any chica who orders wine, I say no. If she pouts, she's sent packing. Any mesero who brings wine anyway I refuse to accept it or if he places it on the table I hand it right back. If this simple approach is too much for a monger, then he needs to grow a pair pure and simple.
If you don't want wine just say "beer only". They aren't forcing you to get wine.
1) You aren't looking good by buying expensive drinks. It just makes you look like a sucker and a target. The "wine" is more than likely some kind of piss water.
2) If the girl shows attitude over this, imagine how she will be in the room. Let her go. This is actually a good way to ward off the sharks. In fact, any time I see a girl sitting there with one of those wine glasses, that is a strike against her in my book.
3) If you find it difficult to say no when the girl / waiter try to pull this scam on you, I would suggest you search for a backbone.How about avoid HK all together. Grow a spine and don't put up with any of their bullshit service.
I do too and that's why I visit and stay in Cascadas Mon or Tues evenings however the rooms I know about previous deaths I do not want to stay in.
Now just have to figure out how to avoid $30 wine bottle scam but someone posted in here that drinks price list in the back next to soap girl bar. Much easier to steer a chica away form $30 wine bottle if can show meteor drinks prices posted.You tell the waiter what to bring the girl. As a matter of fact just say bottled water for the girl. If they try and charge you 30 dollars for the water get up and leave.
Here is how you do HK now to avoid all the scams. Get your google voice number for what's app. Write your number down on the inside of a bunch of matchbooks like the old days. Tell each girl to come to your hotel for 150 for an hour. 150 is now the going rate almost for escorts anyway. You will get better service and avoid the 40 dollar room fee, and 12 dollar drinks, dollar robe fee, dollar cum boy, and 5 dollar breathing Tijuana air fee. Do all this while they're standing. You should get a 20% hit ratio.
Here is how you do HK now to avoid all the scams. Get your google voice number for what's app. Write your number down on the inside of a bunch of matchbooks like the old days. Tell each girl to come to your hotel for 150 for an hour. 150 is now the going rate almost for escorts anyway. You will get better service and avoid the 40 dollar room fee, and 12 dollar drinks, dollar robe fee, dollar cum boy, and 5 dollar breathing Tijuana air fee. Do all this while they're standing. You should get a 20% hit ratio.If she is HK or BT girl you can't have her in Cas or Rizo even in her day off unless you pay $80-$100 for fecha. (you might get away if you deal with the security guys with bribes) Also no need to write your number on a matchbooks, you can exchange numbers in plain sight to put in Wapp with no issues.
How about avoid HK all together. Grow a spine and don't put up with any of their bullshit service.Without HK the zona is not to be if you think about it realistically. No HK, no TB, no Rizo and no Cas. The zona will be empty. Thank God for HK because there are no other options.
AmericanPi
02-03-24, 01:03
Here is how you do HK now to avoid all the scams. Get your google voice number for what's app. Write your number down on the inside of a bunch of matchbooks like the old days. Tell each girl to come to your hotel for 150 for an hour. 150 is now the going rate almost for escorts anyway. You will get better service and avoid the 40 dollar room fee, and 12 dollar drinks, dollar robe fee, dollar cum boy, and 5 dollar breathing Tijuana air fee. Do all this while they're standing. You should get a 20% hit ratio.That kind of sounds like a recipe for being blackballed from Hong Kong.
You can f their girls. But f with their business model? I dunno. Not going to risk having to go to Chicago every time I go down.
On the other hand, there is zero incentive for the customer to buy wine. You buy a beer for $12, or a wine for $30. No difference for the customer. As soon as they drink either one, the waiter will immediately ask you to buy another. After you sit with the girl for 15 minutes buying 3 wines, you've spent $90 on 3 drinks. And for what? Nothing. The wine it a total scam. Every customer that buys wine is getting ripped off and HK is laughing all the way to the bank.
I used to buy wine all the time. It got ridiculous. Now if I'm asked to buy wine, I just stand up and walk away. I say nothing. As I'm walking away the girl will say, "okay, I'll get a beer, I'll get beer". I just keep walking. The girl is now sitting there with nothing wishing she had not asked for wine.I know we've disagreed on this before and many on this board seem to think that HK is stealing from them some how but you know they are inflating the price because you came to them and they have a business to run. I just wonder if you feel scammed with every business you go to? If you go to a sporting event and get what they charge for things like parking, food, drinks. What about the prices at a movie theater, and now how much restaurants or even fast food charges for things.
Like others have said you can control the issue by just letting the girl know that you don't buy wine so it's her decision to drink with you. Just walking away because she orders a wine with no explanation on your part seems very childish to me and you might think she is wishing she had ordered a beer but with the way these girl mind works she's just thinking of you as a cheap person and she's better off not wasting time with you.
As for the part about girls ordering 3 wines in 15 minutes I think you might want to learn Spanish or somehow find a way for the girls to talk more. I have yet to be with a girl that didn't order a wine that lasted at least 20 minutes. Last girl sat with me for pretty much her whole shift and only bought maybe 8 or 10 wines.
What rooms are these, can you share room numbers?That's the only one that I'm aware of.
Here is how you do HK now to avoid all the scams. Get your google voice number for what's app. Write your number down on the inside of a bunch of matchbooks like the old days. Tell each girl to come to your hotel for 150 for an hour. 150 is now the going rate almost for escorts anyway. You will get better service and avoid the 40 dollar room fee, and 12 dollar drinks, dollar robe fee, dollar cum boy, and 5 dollar breathing Tijuana air fee. Do all this while they're standing. You should get a 20% hit ratio.Better yet just SYM (Save Your Money) and don't go out and enjoy life at all. It's not like we are going to Tijuana to enjoy what we can't get at home. LOL.
I'm trying to understand what exactly is the scam in any of the examples you gave above?
The $40 room fee is for short time. HK raised the price because they want you to get a room for all night so if you have your own room that is what they want.
The ficha drinks aren't mandatory if you want to avoid it just tell the girl you want to go upstairs, if you buy the drink your paying for her time since she's there to make money not be your friend.
I'll give you the robe fee being unnecessary but it's only a buck and I just figure it's part of the girls fee, if the girl asked for $101 instead of $100 would you walk away or think she was taking advantage of you?
The cleaning boys can be annoying but it's not mandatory to give them anything, I think most guys just do it so you don't look cheap in front of the girl.
Also if you use the HK shuttle your saving more than the $2 that you'the spend on those so called scams so it's a win win.
For those of you that do have trouble affording an extra dollar here or there I have a show you can watch to get ideas on how to save money.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/extreme-cheapskates-tlc_n_1959726
Rainman306
02-03-24, 08:22
I'm a bit confused, are the lady drinks $11 or $12 at HK now. I saw a post about $11 and now I'm seeing people say $12 unless they are just including a $1 tip for the waiter.
Also note, they don't have to get beer. They can even get a small shot too.
You aren't looking good by buying expensive drinks. It just makes you look like a sucker and a target. The "wine" is more than likely some kind of piss water.I definitely wouldn't consider that little bottle of wine as expensive and if a guy is for some reason trying to impress a girl he'the buy a full bottle of champagne or some other bottle that little wine is nothing.
BTW it's actual wine in the bottle.
BrotherMouzone
02-03-24, 12:21
The girl who was killed in 404 was my best friend and lover. She texted her mother "404 30 min" at 10 pm. She was using the name Regia and previously used Caro. She was beautiful. I won't post her real name or facebook here out of respect for the family. I found this chatroom just googling away trying to find anything I could. I was trying to find KoolBeans original post but couldn't for some reason. I have been warning all the girls I know, but wanted to find out about the chat group he mentioned. Some of the girls know what happened but most only know the clubs official story of OD. This was murder.https://www.vice.com/en/article/epv54m/the-serial-killer-hiding-in-plain-sight
I knew they finally caught the serial killer who murdered the girl referenced in the post above but didn't know until earlier today that Vice published a feature story on it a few months ago (see link above). "Toby" in the linked article was actually posting on these boards quite a bit under the username "Regias Voice" back in 2022 around this time doing everything he could to provide and gather information about the (then unsolved) murder of his girlfriend. Genuinely happy to see that his persistence in solving the case resulted in increased awareness about the murders of chicas in Zona Norte, even if it did (very unfortunately) take additional killings before authorities set the wheels in motion to make an arrest.
Aviator400
02-03-24, 17:41
As for the part about girls ordering 3 wines in 15 minutes I think you might want to learn Spanish or somehow find a way for the girls to talk more. I have yet to be with a girl that didn't order a wine that lasted at least 20 minutes. Last girl sat with me for pretty much her whole shift and only bought maybe 8 or 10 wines.So you paid $240-$300 plus tips to sit with a puta all evening? It is your money and if that is what you enjoy. Great, but I pay $200-$300 for a 10-12 hour TLN at my hotel. Your girl made about $100 in fichas. My girls make $300 cash. That always includes BBBJ and sometimes anal. I get satisfied.
And my experience with the wine scam is a little different. The first (and only) time she has that little bottle of Ripple down in about 5 minutes. She had to be enjoying your company to stretch it out. Or maybe you lost count?
RedBaron78
02-03-24, 21:15
I know we've disagreed on this before and many on this board seem to think that HK is stealing from them some how but you know they are inflating the price because you came to them and they have a business to run. I just wonder if you feel scammed with every business you go to? If you go to a sporting event and get what they charge for things like parking, food, drinks. What about the prices at a movie theater, and now how much restaurants or even fast food charges for things.
Like others have said you can control the issue by just letting the girl know that you don't buy wine so it's her decision to drink with you. Just walking away because she orders a wine with no explanation on your part seems very childish to me and you might think she is wishing she had ordered a beer but with the way these girl mind works she's just thinking of you as a cheap person and she's better off not wasting time with you.
As for the part about girls ordering 3 wines in 15 minutes I think you might want to learn Spanish or somehow find a way for the girls to talk more. I have yet to be with a girl that didn't order a wine that lasted at least 20 minutes. Last girl sat with me for pretty much her whole shift and only bought maybe 8 or 10 wines.I spend thousands of dollars every time to go to HK. I go there to spend money and have a good time. I don't mind spending as long as I'm having fun. I don't speak Spanish and to be honest, I don't really care to get to know the girls. The girls used to dance for the customer after buying a drink. The whole club was getting lap dances everywhere. I would buy 5 - 10 drinks when the girl was dancing for me. The girl was dancing, I was spending, the waiter was getting tipped for bringing drinks, the girl was getting her drink tickets, and HK was making money. Everyone wins.
New management wanted to start pushing lap dances for money in the Miami room so now they often tell the girl she has to stop dancing for the customer. So for me, there is not a lot of point in buying multiple drinks for a girl that's going to sit next to me. And now they try to get $30 instead of $12 for the same thing. My favorite thing about HK was buying drinks and having fun with the girl. If she was fun, I'd take her upstairs and pay her. Since they've made changes, I spend far less in the club than I used to. Now I'll just walk up to girl, buy her no drinks, and take up upstairs. I'd rather buy multiple drinks and have fun with her. But HK has cracked down on that compared to a year ago. Changes made defeats my purpose in buying drinks. Now to be asked to pay $30 for nothing? Nope.
Better yet just SYM (Save Your Money) and don't go out and enjoy life at all. It's not like we are going to Tijuana to enjoy what we can't get at home. LOL.
I'm trying to understand what exactly is the scam in any of the examples you gave above?
The $40 room fee is for short time. HK raised the price because they want you to get a room for all night so if you have your own room that is what they want.
The ficha drinks aren't mandatory if you want to avoid it just tell the girl you want to go upstairs, if you buy the drink your paying for her time since she's there to make money not be your friend.
I'll give you the robe fee being unnecessary but it's only a buck and I just figure it's part of the girls fee, if the girl asked for $101 instead of $100 would you walk away or think she was taking advantage of you?
The cleaning boys can be annoying but it's not mandatory to give them anything, I think most guys just do it so you don't look cheap in front of the girl.
Also if you use the HK shuttle your saving more than the $2 that you'the spend on those so called scams so it's a win win.It's not like you buy a 12 dollar drink and you relax. You have these illiterate waiters who hover over you and ask for another drink for the girl. They are like bees. If the girl doesn't dance for you from what you guys say they don't allow anymore, what's the point. Just go to the room and pay 40.00 for 30 minutes. What a joke. I would never want to stay in that area. I'll stick to Caesars or Ticuan. I'll stick to escorts and trying to get girls to come from bars when they are off.
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I spend thousands of dollars every time to go to HK. I go there to spend money and have a good time. I don't mind spending as long as I'm having fun. I don't speak Spanish and to be honest, I don't really care to get to know the girls. The girls used to dance for the customer after buying a drink. The whole club was getting lap dances everywhere. I would buy 5 - 10 drinks when the girl was dancing for me. The girl was dancing, I was spending, the waiter was getting tipped for bringing drinks, the girl was getting her drink tickets, and HK was making money. Everyone wins.
New management wanted to start pushing lap dances for money in the Miami room so now they often tell the girl she has to stop dancing for the customer. So for me, there is not a lot of point in buying multiple drinks for a girl that's going to sit next to me. And now they try to get $30 instead of $12 for the same thing. My favorite thing about HK was buying drinks and having fun with the girl. If she was fun, I'd take her upstairs and pay her. Since they've made changes, I spend far less in the club than I used to. Now I'll just walk up to girl, buy her no drinks, and take up upstairs. I'd rather buy multiple drinks and have fun with her. But HK has cracked down on that compared to a year ago. Changes made defeats my purpose in buying drinks. Now to be asked to pay $30 for nothing? Nope.That's how it used to be back in the day when it was fun like you say. Now all they care about is extracting every dollar they can from dumb gringos that put up with their horrible customer service, bringing or stealing your change, and expecting us to pay the salaries of their employees instead of them paying it. I hope the whole area shuts down or better yet, the drug cartels kill every employee there: managers waiters and cum boys. What a dream.
I'm a bit confused, are the lady drinks $11 or $12 at HK now. I saw a post about $11 and now I'm seeing people say $12 unless they are just including a $1 tip for the waiter.
Also note, they don't have to get beer. They can even get a small shot too.Beer for a HK lady is $11, plus a dollar tip for the mesero (waiter).
I know we've disagreed on this before and many on this board seem to think that HK is stealing from them some how but you know they are inflating the price because you came to them and they have a business to run. I just wonder if you feel scammed with every business you go to? If you go to a sporting event and get what they charge for things like parking, food, drinks. What about the prices at a movie theater, and now how much restaurants or even fast food charges for things.
Like others have said you can control the issue by just letting the girl know that you don't buy wine so it's her decision to drink with you. Just walking away because she orders a wine with no explanation on your part seems very childish to me and you might think she is wishing she had ordered a beer but with the way these girl mind works she's just thinking of you as a cheap person and she's better off not wasting time with you.
As for the part about girls ordering 3 wines in 15 minutes I think you might want to learn Spanish or somehow find a way for the girls to talk more. I have yet to be with a girl that didn't order a wine that lasted at least 20 minutes. Last girl sat with me for pretty much her whole shift and only bought maybe 8 or 10 wines.You really paid $300 for a woman to sit with you for 8 hours? Really? You really went to a *****house and paid a woman to sit and talk to you for only $300.
Cocr Brotheler
02-04-24, 06:58
And how is your backbone HK Monger? Be honest.
Or your "perfection" in never getting clipped?
Cocr Brotheler
02-04-24, 07:01
Now that's what I'm talking about. Is stress to put up with too much over selling BS within ANY high pressure clip joint ANYWHERE in the world.
Why not visit one of the many small relaxed MPs within the interior de MEX?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/epv54m/the-serial-killer-hiding-in-plain-sight
I knew they finally caught the serial killer who murdered the girl referenced in the post above but didn't know until earlier today that Vice published a feature story on it a few months ago (see link above). "Toby" in the linked article was actually posting on these boards quite a bit under the username "Regias Voice" back in 2022 around this time doing everything he could to provide and gather information about the (then unsolved) murder of his girlfriend. Genuinely happy to see that his persistence in solving the case resulted in increased awareness about the murders of chicas in Zona Norte, even if it did (very unfortunately) take additional killings before authorities set the wheels in motion to make an arrest.Great article from Vice and good journalistic work. Thanks.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/epv54m/the-serial-killer-hiding-in-plain-sight
I knew they finally caught the serial killer who murdered the girl referenced in the post above but didn't know until earlier today that Vice published a feature story on it a few months ago (see link above). "Toby" in the linked article was actually posting on these boards quite a bit under the username "Regias Voice" back in 2022 around this time doing everything he could to provide and gather information about the (then unsolved) murder of his girlfriend. Genuinely happy to see that his persistence in solving the case resulted in increased awareness about the murders of chicas in Zona Norte, even if it did (very unfortunately) take additional killings before authorities set the wheels in motion to make an arrest.Fucking brutal to read. Thanks for sharing! The measures these woman have to go through to try and better their position in life. Hope they are at peace and their families find closure.
Great article from Vice and good journalistic work. Thanks.Well I think the journalist was just describing things from one point of view and taking he word of "Toby" on most things instead of trying to verify many details. And as much as I appreciated "Toby" explaining what happened on this site and still feel bad for the guilt he has I think the article did a poor job as painting him as the main person that brought this guy down. It was the work of the last family that brought the issue to light more along with the work from the Zeta journalist.
Fucking brutal to read. Thanks for sharing! The measures these woman have to go through to try and better their position in life. Hope they are at peace and their families find closure.I think the actual writing that "Toby" did on this site was more or less the same.
I know many on this site have a view that these girls are so poor and just trying to make a better life but most of them are lazy and it's easy money for the least amount of work. Mexico has thousands of poor women who go and do honest work day in and day out to provide for themselves and family without having to resort to prostitution. Lots of girls working in a place like HK want a certain lifestyle and put material things above honest work. Or they are really trying to make as much as possible to get a business of their own.
Now no matter what type of living a woman does in Mexico no type of harm should be done but unfortunately it happens in Mexico and many other countries.
Explorer8939
02-04-24, 16:50
I cancelled my March trip to Tijuana / Cascades and instead will spend 4 days in Cancun with a HK bargirl.
Tijuana is becoming overpriced.
So you paid $240-$300 plus tips to sit with a puta all evening? It is your money and if that is what you enjoy. Great, but I pay $200-$300 for a 10-12 hour TLN at my hotel. Your girl made about $100 in fichas. My girls make $300 cash. That always includes BBBJ and sometimes anal. I get satisfied.
And my experience with the wine scam is a little different. The first (and only) time she has that little bottle of Ripple down in about 5 minutes. She had to be enjoying your company to stretch it out. Or maybe you lost count?Well I'd say I paid $300 to sit with a beautiful young lady all evening. Yes I'm aware of what she does as work but I've said this many times. Just because a girl is working as a prostitute doesn't mean they have to act like one. Those are the ones I enjoy talking to. Lots of girls or women look and talk like prostitutes in the US that aren't and I wouldn't talk to them either. I do enjoy talking with yong women which makes me a pervert in the US, women my own age are usually jaded and boring or they are desperate so they don't appeal to me.
I understand the better value you get with your TLN, I've done it many times in the past. That usually takes time before a girl will agree to and unfortunately I don't spend much time in Tijuana anymore like poster Nothing24 to develop that type of relationship. So when I go to Tijuana most of the time I don't find a girl that I know so I find a new girl to sit and drink with. If we go to the room that's fine but it's not my sole pursuit, I go to drink, see some friends and hopefully the time of a beautiful young lady.
I can't speak for why she sat with me all night for the small amount she made on fichas only. We were talking about a lot of different things and my experiences in life she was interested in because she might have a similar opportunity so she was asking lots of questions. We also spent time dancing which makes the drinks last longer. I always know the amount I start with and what I have left when I get back so I'm able to have a good idea on what I spent, I also have different pockets with my money so when one pocket is empty I know how much I've spent since I'm going into pocket number two.
I spend thousands of dollars every time to go to HK. I go there to spend money and have a good time. I don't mind spending as long as I'm having fun. I don't speak Spanish and to be honest, I don't really care to get to know the girls. The girls used to dance for the customer after buying a drink. The whole club was getting lap dances everywhere. I would buy 5 - 10 drinks when the girl was dancing for me. The girl was dancing, I was spending, the waiter was getting tipped for bringing drinks, the girl was getting her drink tickets, and HK was making money. Everyone wins.
New management wanted to start pushing lap dances for money in the Miami room so now they often tell the girl she has to stop dancing for the customer. So for me, there is not a lot of point in buying multiple drinks for a girl that's going to sit next to me. And now they try to get $30 instead of $12 for the same thing. My favorite thing about HK was buying drinks and having fun with the girl. If she was fun, I'd take her upstairs and pay her. Since they've made changes, I spend far less in the club than I used to. Now I'll just walk up to girl, buy her no drinks, and take up upstairs. I'd rather buy multiple drinks and have fun with her. But HK has cracked down on that compared to a year ago. Changes made defeats my purpose in buying drinks. Now to be asked to pay $30 for nothing? Nope.Now I understand how fast the girls are drinking, I just don't put the blame on the club since the girl makes more from the wine she's going to take advantage of the situation and try to make more money from her time with you and if your just spending money left and right your just a target for those looking to take advantage of you.
I think you can still have fun in HK with buying beers but I'd suggest only dealing with one waiter so you control what your spending more. Or you can party in CC which is lots of fun too.
As far as the speculation about new management and such I still have yet to see it. It's been talked about before that some guys can't have girls dance for them but myself and others have never had a problem.
It's not like you buy a 12 dollar drink and you relax. You have these illiterate waiters who hover over you and ask for another drink for the girl. They are like bees. If the girl doesn't dance for you from what you guys say they don't allow anymore, what's the point. Just go to the room and pay 40.00 for 30 minutes. What a joke. I would never want to stay in that area. I'll stick to Caesars or Ticuan. I'll stick to escorts and trying to get girls to come from bars when they are off.If you have one waiter you deal with he won't hover over you the whole time and if he does tell him not to or you'll find a different waiter. I've never had an issue with the girl dancing on me. Seen some other guy that had a girl tell him something but he wasn't buying many drinks and they were basically making out.
HK and Cascadas are easy for most guys that rarely go to Tijuana or it's the first time. You and others are describing things for vets. Vets to Tijuana usually develop a new strategy over time that makes Tijuana more affordable, some start avoiding the Zona all together while others just go the escort route. The majority of vets on this site try to push what they like instead of helping the new guys who are just trying to have as much fun as possible on their first visit without having to worry about crime. I think over time they will read more on different ways to save money or have a experience that is more suited to what they like.
I think if they are spending multiple days in Tijuana it's better to get an all night room and I really doubt a girl will go to some new guys off site hotel unless he spends lots of money on her in the bar. So you might hate HK and find it having no value but most guys visiting view it as Disneyland.
That's how it used to be back in the day when it was fun like you say. Now all they care about is extracting every dollar they can from dumb gringos that put up with their horrible customer service, bringing or stealing your change, and expecting us to pay the salaries of their employees instead of them paying it. I hope the whole area shuts down or better yet, the drug cartels kill every employee there: managers waiters and cum boys. What a dream.That's a very uneducated view of things and really makes you look like a pathetic person to wish harm on people you don't know. You are basically saying that it's ok for people to take advantage of tourists since they just came and go. Where as if they take time to know you or you get to know them you might view them differently and they will view you differently.
I lived in Tijuana for many years and only had an issue once with a person that had an negative view on Americans. I remember another poster from TJA that would hang out in TB a lot and one time some Mexican guy was looking at him with anger at the bar and the guy asked what his problem was, so the Mexican guy said he hated gringos. So the American guy told him he hated Mexicans and that was it. I know for a fact that the American didn't hate Mexicans not sure about the Mexican guy but lots of people in Tijuana get jealous or have envy.
I have friends in HK that I've known for many years and have met some of their family. They always would try to help customers in the bar not just me. Now are all employees in HK honest and looking out for your best interest. Of course not but as a tourist in any part of the world it's your responsibility to be aware of not getting taken advantage of.
LuvMexicanas
02-04-24, 17:47
The only thing I'd correct him on is Mexico has millions not thousands of poor women who go and do honest work day in and day out to provide for themselves and family without having to resort to prostitution.
You really paid $300 for a woman to sit with you for 8 hours? Really? You really went to a *****house and paid a woman to sit and talk to you for only $300.If you think that story is bad I could tell you many more, especially the amount of time and money I spent sitting and talking with my ex. Or the amount I spent to sit and drink with a girl in GDL. The manager had to drive me back to my hotel since I didn't have the cash to cover it and I didn't wasn't to call my credit card company in the drunken state I was in.
I don't think it was the full shit it was most of it. Maybe 6 hours, I didn't have a clock running. Either way I had a great time and look forward to returning and hopefully she is still around.
Also if you've spent much time in Tijuana and the ficha bars this is very common and not guys looking for a wham bam than you ma'am.
Now I'll just walk up to girl, buy her no drinks, and take up upstairs. I'd rather buy multiple drinks and have fun with her. But HK has cracked down on that compared to a year ago. Changes made defeats my purpose in buying drinks. Now to be asked to pay $30 for nothing? Nope.Funny thing in my 10 years there I bought few times, less than 10 times for a the women. Just can't see the point rather than being stingy. I do what you describe are doing lately. That has been it for me.
RedBaron78
02-04-24, 20:40
Beer for a HK lady is $11, plus a dollar tip for the mesero (waiter).It was $11. It's now $12 plus tip.
It was $11. It's now $12 plus tip.Thanks for the update Red. Although I'm staying at Cascadas this coming weekend, looks like I'll be staying out of HK more than usual. Just pure greed.
Rainman306
02-05-24, 04:17
Unless I'm tripping. I swore I saw a post at the beginning of this calendar year (2024) that lady drinks had increased to $11 from $10.
Now it sounds like they have increased again to $12. Can numerous people confirm that's what they are paying.
I wonder if some greedy waiters are adding a $1 for an extra tip. I was debating if it had been 1 or 2 years since the last price increase.
RedBaron78
02-05-24, 05:58
Unless I'm tripping. I swore I saw a post at the beginning of this calendar year (2024) that lady drinks had increased to $11 from $10.
Now it sounds like they have increased again to $12. Can numerous people confirm that's what they are paying.
I wonder if some greedy waiters are adding a $1 for an extra tip. I was debating if it had been 1 or 2 years since the last price increase.It was $10. They raised them to $11. And you're right. Some waiters will try to lie to get an extra dollar or two. I was just there. They raised the lady drinks to $12 about 2 weeks ago. As long as drink sales down slow down, they'll raise them again.
The only thing I'd correct him on is Mexico has millions not thousands of poor women who go and do honest work day in and day out to provide for themselves and family without having to resort to prostitution.Yes millions do the long hard way of making money and the zona ladies provide an awesome service to us for a faster way to make money.
I do not look down on prostitution even though most of society does.
I think those of us who get service at Zona should be grateful to those wonderful ladies and we are the last ones who should view that profession negatively.
LuvMexicanas
02-05-24, 15:07
Yes millions do the long hard way of making money and the zona ladies provide an awesome service to us for a faster way to make money.
I do not look down on prostitution even though most of society does.
I think those of us who get service at Zona should be grateful to those wonderful ladies and we are the last ones who should view that profession negatively.The point that I think Sol12 was making (which you and I are both agreeing with) is debunking the idea the chicas in the Zona have no choice but to be a prostitute.
Aviator400
02-05-24, 20:17
Well I'd say I paid $300 to sit with a beautiful young lady all evening. Yes I'm aware of what she does as work but I've said this many times. Just because a girl is working as a prostitute doesn't mean they have to act like one. Those are the ones I enjoy talking to. Lots of girls or women look and talk like prostitutes in the US that aren't and I wouldn't talk to them either. I do enjoy talking with yong women which makes me a pervert in the US, women my own age are usually jaded and boring or they are desperate so they don't appeal to me.
I understand the better value you get with your TLN, I've done it many times in the past. That usually takes time before a girl will agree to and unfortunately I don't spend much time in Tijuana anymore like poster Nothing24 to develop that type of relationship. So when I go to Tijuana most of the time I don't find a girl that I know so I find a new girl to sit and drink with. If we go to the room that's fine but it's not my sole pursuit, I go to drink, see some friends and hopefully the time of a beautiful young lady.
I can't speak for why she sat with me all night for the small amount she made on fichas only. We were talking about a lot of different things and my experiences in life she was interested in because she might have a similar opportunity so she was asking lots of questions. We also spent time dancing which makes the drinks last longer. I always know the amount I start with and what I have left when I get back so I'm able to have a good idea on what I spent, I also have different pockets with my money so when one pocket is empty I know how much I've spent since I'm going into pocket number two.Good answer. As long as you feel that you are getting value for your dollars, go with what makes you happy.
I was there last night and fichas were $11. Found a new 20 yr old girl from Guadalajara. The second I saw her she was eye fucking me, so I had no choice but to approach. We LFKd immediately. Bought her a few rounds since she was letting me DFK and FIV at our booth. She was pushing heavy for arriba but I couldn't bring myself to pay the $40ST fee LOL. She told me to take her number so next time I had my own room she could come and visit me. She was telling me she's never done anal because she's afraid it would hurt too much. I told her I would guide her through it if she would like and would be gentle. She seemed really curious and open to the idea so I might have to break her in hehe.
Unless I'm tripping. I swore I saw a post at the beginning of this calendar year (2024) that lady drinks had increased to $11 from $10.
Now it sounds like they have increased again to $12. Can numerous people confirm that's what they are paying.
I wonder if some greedy waiters are adding a $1 for an extra tip. I was debating if it had been 1 or 2 years since the last price increase.The wine glass at $30 bucks kinda makes the club have confidence it can get slot more $ from guys than the 8 bu KS fichas were before covid. So I would expect those fichas to go up a few dollars a year till they are about $20 and wine will probably increase in a year because guys with money are understanding of inflation. I don't know how anyone pays for these drinks anymore because it's worthless. Before covid the ficha drink involved girls kissing guys titsbin face. And 90% less salesmen interrupting selling thing or another every 17 seconds. So yeah I don't buy fichas anymore.
I was there last night and fichas were $11. Found a new 20 yr old girl from Guadalajara. The second I saw her she was eye fucking me, so I had no choice but to approach. We LFKd immediately. Bought her a few rounds since she was letting me DFK and FIV at our booth. She was pushing heavy for arriba but I couldn't bring myself to pay the $40ST fee LOL. She told me to take her number so next time I had my own room she could come and visit me. She was telling me she's never done anal because she's afraid it would hurt too much. I told her I would guide her through it if she would like and would be gentle. She seemed really curious and open to the idea so I might have to break her in hehe.She was not eye fucking you man. She was enjoying the view of the cien dollar that you are.
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Yes millions do the long hard way of making money and the zona ladies provide an awesome service to us for a faster way to make money.
I do not look down on prostitution even though most of society does.
I think those of us who get service at Zona should be grateful to those wonderful ladies and we are the last ones who should view that profession negatively.For two thousand years since the time of the Roman Empire, people have been debating the morality of prostitution. The world's oldest profession, prostitution, existed, exists and will exist.
AmericanPi
02-06-24, 15:04
Hk is for newbie's at this point.Ok. Say more. If HK is for newbies what's the next step in the journey? Don't be coy.
I'm reading crazy money being thrown around on this thread. Are those American dollars we're talking about? Whatever happened to paying pesos? Spending US bucks is a recipe for continuous price increases.
Explorer8939
02-06-24, 16:34
I'm reading crazy money being thrown around on this thread. Are those American dollars we're talking about? Whatever happened to paying pesos? Spending US bucks is a recipe for continuous price increases.If the peso is under 20 to the dollar paying in dollars makes sense.
All Mexicans hate us. They are jealous of us. A HK waiter is literally the dumbest person in Tijuana other than the cops which couldn't solve a crime if it was in 4 k. The one thing they both have is common is they love to lie and steal. You guys make excuses for their behavior and continue to go back. He is for newbie's at this point.Reading your post made me want to listen to a couple of Molotov songs and think of you.
BTW, they only hate people like you.
Baxter Slade
02-06-24, 21:29
If the peso is under 20 to the dollar paying in dollars makes sense.Yea its around 16.8 now. I rarely stop to convert to pesos these days. . The only reason I like to have some pesos is for the uber driver. Whenever I try to pay them in dollars they pull out a calculator and it takes them 10 minutes to figure out the fare.
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Yea its around 16.8 now. I rarely stop to convert to pesos these days. . The only reason I like to have some pesos is for the uber driver. Whenever I try to pay them in dollars they pull out a calculator and it takes them 10 minutes to figure out the fare.Isn't it just easier to have the Uber connected to your credit card?? Makes everything easier especially if I decide to tip the driver.
ABAJoeSmith123
02-07-24, 06:25
The simple solution is to just go to Chicago Club. There they don't rip you off with $33 glasses of water / wine and don't charge $40 for the room. If more customers went to Chicago, more chicas would also come work at Chicago and I'm sure the pool of attractive women at Chicago would also grow. Additionally, if more people left HK for Chicago, HK would potentially eventually get hurt by the lost business and maybe rethink their scam business approach of ripping all the customers off with their ridiculous tips and fees everywhere.
Just a thought. I'm not a cheap spender by any means, but I do 100% agree that HK is getting ridiculously expensive.
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Baxter Slade
02-07-24, 17:16
Isn't it just easier to have the Uber connected to your credit card?? Makes everything easier especially if I decide to tip the driver.Yes you are correct. My Uber is connected to a card I guess I'm worried about leaving a trail. But when buzzing around Tijuana the GF is ordering up the uber / didi and 80% of the time I'm the one paying. I guess her accounts are not tied to any cards she has to read back some code to the driver whenever we get in the car.
Its kind of funny there is a bit of a language barrier so half the time I'm clueless where we are even going. I guess that could be dangerous if she ever wanted to set me up.
Maybe I should stick to only carrying 500 peso notes, when the driver has no change that's when she pays. LOL.
Yes, as I mentioned in a post a couple hours ago that was apparently deleted, you sort of wonder who the moderators are of this forum and their ability to actually moderate this forum properly given that that poster is, to my understanding, a frequent and long-time offender of the forum rules here prohibiting racist and other hate messages. Quite honestly, there's evidence of a lack of competency there given that the poster will likely return a few days from now spewing the same crap without consequence. Stuff like that is why I preferred the Chicabow website over this one before it shut down.
Feel really, really bad for chicas who have to deal with people like that who legit in their hearts look down on them as sub-human. Imagine having to deal with that in your line of work.Exactly, Tj Brazil keep your racism and hate away from this forum.
KetoAndKettle
02-08-24, 00:14
I think these clubs should take notes on the glitzy nature of HK, and make some effort to do the same.
I'm guessing it would be very difficult to build multiple levels. If you're a single level club, that's out of the question, but just try to get closer to what they do.
The simple solution is to just go to Chicago Club. There they don't rip you off with $33 glasses of water / wine and don't charge $40 for the room. If more customers went to Chicago, more chicas would also come work at Chicago and I'm sure the pool of attractive women at Chicago would also grow. Additionally, if more people left HK for Chicago, HK would potentially eventually get hurt by the lost business and maybe rethink their scam business approach of ripping all the customers off with their ridiculous tips and fees everywhere.
Just a thought. I'm not a cheap spender by any means, but I do 100% agree that HK is getting ridiculously expensive.
Rainman306
02-08-24, 02:23
One thing that would help solidify Chicago Club as a true alternative to HK would for them to bring back the ability to book a hotel room online.
Seems I might have seen they have suites rooms now. How much is a suite hotel room? Regular hotel room?
The Chicago Club group also owns 2 other hotels in Zona Norte. Above la Gloria & la Carreta.
With Adelita still being closed, Chicago Club talents should be good.
RikyMichaels7
02-08-24, 02:32
How about avoid HK all together. Grow a spine and don't put up with any of their bullshit service.Totally agree! And don't let anyone tell you that they are "just trying to run a business at HK. " Time to start supporting the other bars Turn HK into Chicago where it went from the best bar in the Coahuila to walking in and seeing only one or two women. That will surely result in a changed business model.
Yes you are correct. My Uber is connected to a card I guess I'm worried about leaving a trail. But when buzzing around Tijuana the GF is ordering up the uber / didi and 80% of the time I'm the one paying. I guess her accounts are not tied to any cards she has to read back some code to the driver whenever we get in the car.
Its kind of funny there is a bit of a language barrier so half the time I'm clueless where we are even going. I guess that could be dangerous if she ever wanted to set me up.
Maybe I should stick to only carrying 500 peso notes, when the driver has no change that's when she pays. LOL.I always forget that some guys have to make sure that someone can't see where they've been.
I have never heard about having to read some code to a driver. Just FYI if you spend a lot of time with this girl she could get a bank card for free that you could just put money on as you go. Since I know some people still don't like using actual banks in Mexico especially with the fees.
I remember once spending all day with a girl I met and only had a small amount of cash so later in the night we just went to a place to play bingo to save money. The only problem was on the taxi back I didn't have enough to pay so she had to cover it. The taxi driver just put his hands to his face that I wasn't even man enough to pay for the taxi.
One thing that would help solidify Chicago Club as a true alternative to HK would for them to bring back the ability to book a hotel room online.
Seems I might have seen they have suites rooms now. How much is a suite hotel room? Regular hotel room?
The Chicago Club group also owns 2 other hotels in Zona Norte. Above la Gloria & la Carreta.
With Adelita still being closed, Chicago Club talents should be good.The problem is CC wants to match pricing with that of HK. This is there issue.
ABAJoeSmith123
02-08-24, 03:56
One thing that would help solidify Chicago Club as a true alternative to HK would for them to bring back the ability to book a hotel room online.
Seems I might have seen they have suites rooms now. How much is a suite hotel room? Regular hotel room?
The Chicago Club group also owns 2 other hotels in Zona Norte. Above la Gloria & la Carreta.
With Adelita still being closed, Chicago Club talents should be good.Chicago club talent is still quite bad. You can sit there for hours and not see a super hot girl the whole time. When Adelitas was close to being closed, the talent at Adelitas was already very bad (all the hot girls had long since left already) so adelits closure didn't really do much for Chicago. Chicago club also had some good talent but almost all of them left for HK because they weren't making any money at CC.
CC has the right prices, it just needs hotter women.
Explorer8939
02-08-24, 11:10
The downside of higher pricing at HK is that it precipitates a death spiral: the prices tend to reduce the number of customers. Some regulars stop coming so much, the guys who come once a month now come 3 times as much, and when they come, they don't buy so many drinks. The top tier ladies are unaffected, but the other ladies struggle, and do they fade away. And so their customers.
Eventually, it becomes a ghost town, with a handful of ladies and customers.
Totally agree! And don't let anyone tell you that they are "just trying to run a business at HK. " Time to start supporting the other bars Turn HK into Chicago where it went from the best bar in the Coahuila to walking in and seeing only one or two women. That will surely result in a changed business model.Can you imagine going into a bar or restaurant in America and 80% of the waiters don't bring correct change, steal your change from the cover charge, steal your change from drinks, Bring the most expensive drink they have without asking, constantly ask you for tips at every corner and then after everyone says " they are just trying to run a business " not only that, they call you a racist for pointing it out. LOL.
Baxter Slade
02-08-24, 14:22
I have never heard about having to read some code to the driver.Yea I have not been able to figure that one out. When we get in the car she has to give the driver a 4 digit code. He then enters the code in his phone and it seems to unlock the ride and we are ready to go. If he puts the code in wrong we aint going anywhere. The strange thing is if she orders an uber / didi for me, I get worried and ask her am I going to need a code? And the answer is no. I just get in and go.
Totally agree! And don't let anyone tell you that they are "just trying to run a business at HK. " Time to start supporting the other bars Turn HK into Chicago where it went from the best bar in the Coahuila to walking in and seeing only one or two women. That will surely result in a changed business model.I think many on this board have advocated to visit the smaller bars but most put up with HK because it has the largest selection of attractive ladies.
The funny thing about your idea to have what happened to CC happen to HK is that HK used a better business model than CC and AB thus bringing more ladies that in turn brought more guys. CC has come back more but they still don't have the ability to compete with HK on a large scale so most girls stay at HK. HK made everything better in the Zona, remember before guys wouldn't even stay overnight. Most guys would go party all night and have a cheap room at one of the motels on the US side. Now HK has sold guys on coming to stay for multiple nights and between the hotel, Azul and the club guys could stay in that one place and never have the need to do anything away from them.
You may not like HK for personal reasons but they are very good at business.
BrotherMouzone
02-08-24, 15:55
I think these clubs should take notes on the glitzy nature of HK, and make some effort to do the same.
I'm guessing it would be very difficult to build multiple levels. If you're a single level club, that's out of the question, but just try to get closer to what they do.I mean you have to have the financial resources for that kind of effort though. I'm no Zona Norte historian and certainly wasn't around back then but my understanding is HK started out as a small club just like these other clubs before gradually expanding over the years as they accumulated "resources". Assuming it's true that HK is cartel-backed, it's maybe not too difficult to understand how HK was able to expand and rise in prominence over the years. A lot of these smaller clubs maybe don't have the benefit of those same resources.
Captain Solo
02-08-24, 16:20
Follows is a quick and crude analysis of the cost of sex compared to basic meals using most likely costs:
In Tijuana Mexico, a basic meal costs 75 pesos. Lots of street girls will do half hour sessions for 500 pesos, HK bar girls, 2400 pesos, so 6 meals for street pussies and 45 meals for clubs'.
Mexican club pussies are way inflated to ridiculous levels. You don't want to have to skip 45 meals in 30 days just to poke a club girl. How the hell can average locals skips 45 meals just to poke a HK pussy? HK keeps raising prices for pussies, drinks, hotels, tips ect. I get very offended when HK girls demand $30 fake wine fichas. That's the equivalent wage of 3 work days for unskilled people like those HK putas, $6 per minute or $360 per hour. Even Mexican brain surgeons don't make that extremely high wages. I know a few Mexican MDs with their own successful practices, but even they cannot afford these ridiculous HK girls. Every visit they would sample 1 or 2 HK girls and do mostly street girls.
We should be smart to minimize spending in HK and not help fake, rotten HK putas to keep jacking prices on their stinking pussies. Fortunately I know a few nice, clean, hot and sweet HK girls who would do me for 1,000- 1,200 pesos. I always plead poverty to them and it works, but the $40 Cascada ST rooms with early knocking just pisses me off. I get disgusted thinking of too many stinky HK pussies blew up in my face.
Stick with street pussies. There are many spinners on the streets, most are very nice, sweet, looking good, smelling good, feeling good. A few would do full BBBJ and BBFS if you get to know them. Street girls are humble and honest, work hard to raise bastard children and help their families. I have never gotten a stinky pussy on the street of Tijuana.
Try in every way not to destroy the markets for locals.
The downside of higher pricing at HK is that it precipitates a death spiral: the prices tend to reduce the number of customers. Some regulars stop coming so much, the guys who come once a month now come 3 times as much, and when they come, they don't buy so many drinks. The top tier ladies are unaffected, but the other ladies struggle, and do they fade away. And so their customers.
Eventually, it becomes a ghost town, with a handful of ladies and customers.So long as there are no alternatives, a bit cheaper but with women with acceptable looks, like Adelita used to be, HK prices could skyrocket and it still will be extremely popular specially in the weekends.
There is just no other alternative currently. Even BT is going down the drain which used to be an option before the pandemic. Nothing compares to HK, forget Mexico, even around the world in my view.
Captain Solo
02-08-24, 18:55
A couple ballers will celebrate a special occasion in HK Sunday afternoon, starting 2 PM until midnight.
Come by and say Hi. Will buy you a drink.
Can you imagine going into a bar or restaurant in America and 80% of the waiters don't bring correct change, steal your change from the cover charge, steal your change from drinks, Bring the most expensive drink they have without asking, constantly ask you for tips at every corner and then after everyone says " they are just trying to run a business " not only that, they call you a racist for pointing it out. LOL.To be fair, you criticized HK waiters. Therefore you should be lucky as to not be banned by the HK police.
GentileBear
02-08-24, 23:05
Nothing compares to HK, forget Mexico, even around the world in my view.Have you been to Jakarta Indonesia? This is where it's at 'right now' in 2024. HK is high energy and I like that but it is psychotically high prices with super high mileage ladies who no longer get me excited. Asia is great but Angeles City and Pattaya are past their prime. Jakarta is in full swing! But that's just me...
Yea I have not been able to figure that one out. When we get in the car she has to give the driver a 4 digit code. He then enters the code in his phone and it seems to unlock the ride and we are ready to go. If he puts the code in wrong we aint going anywhere. The strange thing is if she orders an uber / didi for me, I get worried and ask her am I going to need a code? And the answer is no. I just get in and go.Yeah. Definitely doesn't make since.
The problem is CC wants to match pricing with that of HK. This is there issue.I disagree with CC wanting to match pricing with HK. For example my drink in HK is $10, in TB which is the same company it's $7, the cheapest place is CC that is $6. So if CC wanted to charge more to be like HK they could but they know that the best way to compete with HK or even TB is to have a lower price.
Unfortunately this only works with customer drinks, if HK charges $11 for a girls drink and they are paying the girls more in that cost no quality girl is going to work in CC unless they match that. So CC is forced to raise ficha prices as well. I like to read about some f the other border bars like LOS Algodones and it's a much smaller town with basically two bars and the prices from the posters is basically the same as Tijuana. All the girls know what they can make at different places so the market gets adjusted.
The downside of higher pricing at HK is that it precipitates a death spiral: the prices tend to reduce the number of customers. Some regulars stop coming so much, the guys who come once a month now come 3 times as much, and when they come, they don't buy so many drinks. The top tier ladies are unaffected, but the other ladies struggle, and do they fade away. And so their customers.
Eventually, it becomes a ghost town, with a handful of ladies and customers.I think most upset on the rising price from this board are living to much in the past. Especially considering what has happened with the worlds economy due to poor leadership and most economies are still adjusting but it could be another year or so before prices began to stabilize. On top of that HK has to deal with the higher than average price to live in Tijuana compared to other parts of Mexico so the incentive to get quality girls to work there is higher not to mention the new competition of girls just doing things online.
In regards to regulars stop coming so much I think it's very rare that guys consistently visit the Zona more than 5 years, they get bored like a kid gets bored with a new toy. I agree with your point on guys maybe cutting back on trips but I don't think they buy less drinks, for myself and others that have posted here when the trips get cut back it allows us to spend more freely when we come because we aren't concerned about maybe saving money that can be used on the next trip that's only a month away. If my next possible visit is in six months I'm not worried about buying an extra drink here or there.
Unfortunately the Zona is not kind to the old, new talent is consistently arriving which is what also continues to bring new customers, any successful business has to develop new ways to attract new customers so they can continue to grow. Same way countries have to have a certain number of babies born each year or they will dissolve as the older generations die off.
Last year HK launched an online site to meet girls in the club and watch them in videos. I'm not sure how much business they get off it but it's a good and new way to reach out to young clients that will feel more comfortable coming to HK and already have a girl that they know instead of being nervous to talk to a stranger.
Can you imagine going into a bar or restaurant in America and 80% of the waiters don't bring correct change, steal your change from the cover charge, steal your change from drinks, Bring the most expensive drink they have without asking, constantly ask you for tips at every corner and then after everyone says " they are just trying to run a business " not only that, they call you a racist for pointing it out. LOL.So you state that 80% of waiters don't bring correct change or steal your change from drinks? I'd have to say you would have to be some sort of masochist if you knew this to be true. Who would let that happen to them so many times to try and prove that point? Also last time I checked the prices for each drink are posted so if you don't know how to count your change and point out the error to the waiter or just complain to his boss that is on you. We all know some of the games waiters will try at HK and other bars which is why this board is designed to help those that plan to visit. Like I said before and you don't understand is that these type of things happen in any tourist area, you will always have people trying to take advantage of you. HK can only do so much without hiring more staff to watch over everything but that means paying more people which will make them raise prices more which is what you all complain about.
If a waiter brings a drink you don't ask for you tell him you didn't approve of that, and I'd hate to break it to you but more often than not the girl is telling him to bring that drink. I have never had a waiter ask me for a tip, so I assume your talking about the hotel guys who you don't have to tip, same way you don't have to give money to kids on the street. Again if you have the inability to say no to someone you only have yourself to blame.
None of those examples have anything to do with what myself or others have been regarding when we say "HK is just running a business. " Also if you had described your frustration with HK and it's workers like you did in this post nobody would accuse you of being anything but a disgruntled customer but you stereotyped whole ethnic groups with very poor rational. Very few people have high morals and do the right things in life especially when it comes to money. You see rich people that have no need to steal do it everyday or people of all over the world complain if they are charged for something they didn't buy yet seldom do these same people point out to someone that they weren't charged for something they have. Doesn't make them all terrible since most people just figure that the business makes enough and if they get something for free what's the big deal.
HK for idiots guide 101.
If you worried about a waiter not bringing your change or giving you the wrong change and you don't speak the language and don't want to bother complaining about it you can order from the bar directly or just bring plenty of small bills so when you pay you pay the exact amount. Not to difficult.
If you plan on drinking with a girl and you'll be ordering a few drinks, use the same waiter so your not dealing with multiple waiters bugging you. If he brings you something you didn't approve like a wine tell the girl beer only. They will either agree or they will leave.
I mean you have to have the financial resources for that kind of effort though. I'm no Zona Norte historian and certainly wasn't around back then but my understanding is HK started out as a small club just like these other clubs before gradually expanding over the years as they accumulated "resources". Assuming it's true that HK is cartel-backed, it's maybe not too difficult to understand how HK was able to expand and rise in prominence over the years. A lot of these smaller clubs maybe don't have the benefit of those same resources.HK was a real hole in the wall and instead of being like all the other bars like CC and AB they decided to expand and bring the guys that visited the strip clubs on Revolution to HK with a consistent parade of girls stripping were as the other bars might have just a couple of girls every hour with the rest of the time guys and girls dancing.
So long as there are no alternatives, a bit cheaper but with women with acceptable looks, like Adelita used to be, HK prices could skyrocket and it still will be extremely popular specially in the weekends.
There is just no other alternative currently. Even BT is going down the drain which used to be an option before the pandemic. Nothing compares to HK, forget Mexico, even around the world in my view."Nothing compares to HK" . HK is garbage and you do not get out much if you believe that.
"Nothing compares to HK" . HK is garbage and you do not get out much if you believe that.Sorry but it is true, if you don't believe me just ask the hoards of US men that flock there every week. They should know something correct? Or you think they are all stupid? Could it be you are wrong?
To be fair, you criticized HK waiters. Therefore you should be lucky as to not be banned by the HK police.If you read what he wrote you might feel differently especially if you are not white. Unfortunately people don't have integrity and instead of apologizing to those on this board he offended he claims to be a victim.
I mean you have to have the financial resources for that kind of effort though. I'm no Zona Norte historian and certainly wasn't around back then but my understanding is HK started out as a small club just like these other clubs before gradually expanding over the years as they accumulated "resources". Assuming it's true that HK is cartel-backed, it's maybe not too difficult to understand how HK was able to expand and rise in prominence over the years. A lot of these smaller clubs maybe don't have the benefit of those same resources.Hong Kong was a small club, inside there were a few chairs and tables with not very attractive chicas. I was there around year 2000. The entrance to the Miami club was from the alley side and it was a completely separate club, separated from the Hong Kong club by a wall. They dismantled the wall and connected both clubs. Before the Internet, clubs in Zona Norte were clubs mainly for locals and most Americans knew nothing about Zona Norte. Only information on the Internet combined with the policy of prohibition of legal prostitution in the USA (except for a few counties in Nevada) caused a boom in clubs such as Hong Kong, Adelita, Chicago, etc. Guys from the USA, retired, divorced, single, married, etc. With a huge amount of US dollars started spending dollars in Zona Norte because they can't in the US because prostitution is illegal. (Endless sting operations in massage parlors and on the streets in California and other states. In Texas, even prison sentences.) And also it is not easy to travel for one evening or weekend to Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Europe or Thailand. Generally, clubs in Zona Norte have a win-win situation. Located minutes from the border with a huge country like the USA where prostitution is illegal. There is no competition from the US and they are laughing all the way to the bank. BTW ISG Forum is probably a rare forum where you can freely discuss the situation of prostitution in the USA and world without attacks from puritans, feminists, etc.
Explorer8939
02-09-24, 16:21
Hong Kong was a small club, inside there were a few chairs and tables with not very attractive chicas. I was there around year 2000. The entrance to the Miami club was from the alley side and it was a completely separate club, separated from the Hong Kong club by a wall. They dismantled the wall and connected both clubs. Before the Internet, clubs in Zona Norte were clubs mainly for locals and most Americans knew nothing about Zona Norte.IIRC, Hong Kong used to open at 3 pm. So guys would go to Adelitas first, and later move to HK.
IIRC, Hong Kong used to open at 3 pm. So guys would go to Adelitas first, and later move to HK.7 years ago when girls in HK charged 80-100 , entrance fee was $5 on Fri-Sat, crowds filled up Adelitas where women charged $60 and no entrance fee. We didn't have any reason to go to HK at all, specially on Thur, Fri and Sat nights. Now, when HK girls charged $120 on average so do women in Chicago and even in BT. Come on, this is BS.
People tell me HK is shit in general. However I think that depends on the perspective. If you are in the Zona every week or even everyday, then you see HK as a money milking shady org. If you are there once in Month or two then you find HK to be the only alternative that floats your boat.
Yea I have not been able to figure that one out. When we get in the car she has to give the driver a 4 digit code. He then enters the code in his phone and it seems to unlock the ride and we are ready to go. If he puts the code in wrong we aint going anywhere. The strange thing is if she orders an uber / didi for me, I get worried and ask her am I going to need a code? And the answer is no. I just get in and go.I was bored and figured to find out what this is.
https://help.uber.com/riders/article/whats-verify-my-ride?nodeId=2ddbb5e8-0dd3-4048-b9ee-f6b5e5311e25
Follows is a quick and crude analysis of the cost of sex compared to basic meals using most likely costs:
In Tijuana Mexico, a basic meal costs 75 pesos. Lots of street girls will do half hour sessions for 500 pesos, HK bar girls, 2400 pesos, so 6 meals for street pussies and 45 meals for clubs'.
Mexican club pussies are way inflated to ridiculous levels. You don't want to have to skip 45 meals in 30 days just to poke a club girl. How the hell can average locals skips 45 meals just to poke a HK pussy? HK keeps raising prices for pussies, drinks, hotels, tips ect. I get very offended when HK girls demand $30 fake wine fichas. That's the equivalent wage of 3 work days for unskilled people like those HK putas, $6 per minute or $360 per hour. Even Mexican brain surgeons don't make that extremely high wages. I know a few Mexican MDs with their own successful practices, but even they cannot afford these ridiculous HK girls. Every visit they would sample 1 or 2 HK girls and do mostly street girls.
We should be smart to minimize spending in HK and not help fake, rotten HK putas to keep jacking prices on their stinking pussies. Fortunately I know a few nice, clean, hot and sweet HK girls who would do me for 1,000- 1,200 pesos. I always plead poverty to them and it works, but the $40 Cascada ST rooms with early knocking just pisses me off. I get disgusted thinking of too many stinky HK pussies blew up in my face.
Stick with street pussies. There are many spinners on the streets, most are very nice, sweet, looking good, smelling good, feeling good. A few would do full BBBJ and BBFS if you get to know them. Street girls are humble and honest, work hard to raise bastard children and help their families. I have never gotten a stinky pussy on the street of Tijuana.
Try in every way not to destroy the markets for locals.Seems like an odd way to show the difference between the price of a BG compared to a SG. One of the problems with your theory is that anywhere you go a BG will always be more than a SG so what we as tourists pays has no effect on the locals, if anything we are driving the price up more on SG which is what a regular would pay to be with because when they go to clubs it's usually just to drink with other guys and maybe buy a few drinks and flirt with the girls but seldom take them for sex.
I also think you misrepresented what a club girl makes going for the price they ask compared to what the real price paid is. Where with the SG the price seemed to be a low number compared to what is usually posted as the price guys pay.
With your math of 2400 being 45 meals is incorrect it's 32. Most girls get paid 1600 so that's only 21 meals. Lastly if a SG gets 500 that would be 6. 7 meals which should be rounded up to 7 not down to 6.
All that being said you should be happy that we are seeing girls in the bar since it keeps the prices down on your SG and you can laugh at all of us wasting money on bar girls.
"Nothing compares to HK" . HK is garbage and you do not get out much if you believe that.If you mean by not get out much, of the rest of the world then you might have a point. However I saw Thailand specially Bangkok and Pattaya. I did not like it. They women are not my type. There are many friendly people but there are too many stiffos specially outside of the red zones. Just did not like Thailand where pussy is like a bottle top you find in a dirt. No prudence, all out in the open. Yuck!
AmericanPi
02-10-24, 02:55
7 years ago when girls in HK charged 80-100 , entrance fee was $5 on Fri-Sat, crowds filled up Adelitas where women charged $60 and no entrance fee. We didn't have any reason to go to HK at all, specially on Thur, Fri and Sat nights. Now, when HK girls charged $120 on average so do women in Chicago and even in BT. Come on, this is BS.
People tell me HK is shit in general. However I think that depends on the perspective. If you are in the Zona every week or even everyday, then you see HK as a money milking shady org. If you are there once in Month or two then you find HK to be the only alternative that floats your boat.Agreed 100. I only go once in a while and I'm happy to spend 50 pct more to have the widest variety in a decent setting. If there were a truly viable alternative I'the go there. But there's not.
Baxter Slade
02-10-24, 04:15
I was bored and figured to find out what this is.
https://help.uber.com/riders/article/whats-verify-my-ride?nodeId=2ddbb5e8-0dd3-4048-b9ee-f6b5e5311e25Thanks for being bored. The more I thought about it the more I became curious.
However as a security feature for women traveling at night I don't think it provides security since she is already in the car reading the driver the code. I believe the way it should work is the driver should be giving her the 4 digit code that she can match on her phone before entering the vehicle.
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TigerMuskie
02-10-24, 15:09
I have read ten pages of commentary trying to understand girl cost at HK. I have not been to Tijuana was trying to figure out if it's worth it. Is $120 per hour or 30 minutes? If you have a room at Cascada what is the barfine to take the chica to your room for a visit? Is there an entrance fee for the club? I understand drink costs, plenty of discussion on that. Any clarification for this noob is greatly appreciated.
LuvMexicanas
02-10-24, 15:58
I have read ten pages of commentary trying to understand girl cost at HK. I have not been to Tijuana was trying to figure out if it's worth it. Is $120 per hour or 30 minutes? If you have a room at Cascada what is the barfine to take the chica to your room for a visit? Is there an entrance fee for the club? I understand drink costs, plenty of discussion on that. Any clarification for this noob is greatly appreciated.If you're attracted to Mexican girls, it's worth it. You'll never know until you go. Whether you'll like it enough to want to return, only you can determine that. Having said all that, if you're not financially stable enough to where you need to know the precise cost of everything such as cover charge, then perhaps the hobby itself is more the question than Tijuana which by the way consists of much more than Hong Kong, Cascadas and the Zona.
MacNCheeze
02-10-24, 17:16
I have read ten pages of commentary trying to understand girl cost at HK. I have not been to Tijuana was trying to figure out if it's worth it. Is $120 per hour or 30 minutes? If you have a room at Cascada what is the barfine to take the chica to your room for a visit? Is there an entrance fee for the club? I understand drink costs, plenty of discussion on that. Any clarification for this noob is greatly appreciated.$100-120 for 30 minutes on average to the girl depending on your negotiating skills. No fee to HK for taking a girl up if you have a room, or $40 to rent a short time room. No cover charge to get into HK except Fri and Sat night but it includes a beer. No charge either if you have their vip card or are staying at the hotel.
TigerMuskie
02-10-24, 18:19
$100-120 for 30 minutes on average to the girl depending on your negotiating skills. No fee to HK for taking a girl up if you have a room, or $40 to rent a short time room. No cover charge to get into HK except Fri and Sat night but it includes a beer. No charge either if you have their vip card or are staying at the hotel.Thanks for the information MacNCheeze.
I have read ten pages of commentary trying to understand girl cost at HK. I have not been to Tijuana was trying to figure out if it's worth it. Is $120 per hour or 30 minutes? If you have a room at Cascada what is the barfine to take the chica to your room for a visit? Is there an entrance fee for the club? I understand drink costs, plenty of discussion on that. Any clarification for this noob is greatly appreciated.What MacNCheeze said, plus a couple of footnotes:
1. Recommend that you get your own room if you're expecting to go upstairs with 2 or more girls. Works out to almost the same overall cost as short term, plus you have somewhere to put your stuff and relax.
2. $100-120 is the generic going rate these days for 30 minutes. If your tastes run outside of CBJ and CFS, you should negotiate that up front with the girl while you're still in the bar. In every case, make sure you're agreed on a price before you go up.
3. On the subject of Fri / Sat and the cover charge, if you have a room then you can get a wristband at either registration desk in Cascadas that basically identifies you as a hotel guest at the entrances to HK.
TigerMuskie
02-10-24, 23:25
If you're attracted to Mexican girls, it's worth it. You'll never know until you go. Whether you'll like it enough to want to return, only you can determine that. Having said all that, if you're not financially stable enough to where you need to know the precise cost of everything such as cover charge, then perhaps the hobby itself is more the question than Tijuana which by the way consists of much more than Hong Kong, Cascadas and the Zona.I was curious as I had gone to St. Marteen, which is an island in the Caribbean, and they have chica bars populated mostly by Columbianas. Its $70-$80/30 minutes and includes room rate at those places but they are pretty basic places. However, its hard to not have a good time on a tropical island that also has chicas clubs. Sounds like like HK is much nicer and probably has higher quality girls but a little more $$. I like latinas and asian women but have visited less latina venues.
I have been mongering mostly in the USA For 12 years but have mongered in Thailand, Japan and St. Marteen and Costa Rica. So when I ask about cost I am comparing cost, service and chica attractiveness against what I can get at other mongering locations. I am looking at Costa Rica, CDMX or Bay Area and SCAL kgirl scene. The Bay Area Kgril scene is 1 hour $280 and by default you get MSOG, BBBJCIM, DFK and even BBFS if want it. You also have a review site that pretty much tells you the girls service quality and attractiveness as you can't always trust the photoshopped pics. As you say above it really comes down to preference. I have a trip coming up in March to Lisbon, where I will be mongering. I have not gone to a FFK but most likely will hit one of those in the future. I pretty sure I would not go to Medellin due to them drugging and killing foreign mongers.
I appreciate everyone's providing information as I consider future trips. Thank you!!
I have read ten pages of commentary trying to understand girl cost at HK. I have not been to Tijuana was trying to figure out if it's worth it. Is $120 per hour or 30 minutes? If you have a room at Cascada what is the barfine to take the chica to your room for a visit? Is there an entrance fee for the club? I understand drink costs, plenty of discussion on that. Any clarification for this noob is greatly appreciated.One point not stated, just like anywhere else high $$$ paid doesn't guarantee you a good session. Choose the woman carefully, a balance between looks and attitude in the moment.
ABAJoeSmith123
02-11-24, 06:39
HK chica had the nerve to ask me for $30 thousand dollars to get her out of the club. What an entitled *****. Who do these girls think they are. Does she not realize she's a 42 yo prostitute in Tijuana that makes a living sucking hairy penises because she has no other job skills. I obviously said no and then I received a barrage of angry comments and insults regarding my character and sex performance. Word of advice to other mongers. Never give money other than what you pay for in the club. They're spiders and have no qualms about trying to take your hard earned resources for themselves.
If you have a room at Cascada what is the barfine to take the chica to your room for a visit? Is there an entrance fee for the club? .If you have a room at Cascadas there is NO BAR FINE to take girl from HK to your room. But I have heard some people say they might come knocking on your door if the HK gal stays too long in your room.
BTW. You can also bring street girls to your room at no charge and they can stay as long as you want.
If you have a room at Cascadas entry to the club is free. They give you a wristband.
I think you are wise to do detailed homework and budgeting for planning your trip.
I suggest you spend day time one day at the beach (playas) - you can get there for a few dollars via uber OR take a mini-bus for $1 (the right color one that goes between playas and downtown).
BBQ Shrimp skewers on the beach - 6 shrimp for $3 - delicious.
We should be smart to minimize spending in HK and not help fake, rotten HK putas to keep jacking prices on their stinking pussies.
Stick with street pussies. There are many spinners on the streets, most are very nice, sweet, looking good, smelling good, feeling good. A few would do full BBBJ and BBFS if you get to know them. Street girls are humble and honest, work hard to raise bastard children and help their families. I have never gotten a stinky pussy on the street of Tijuana.
Welcome back Captain. Missed your funny posts in this forum when you were visiting Asia.
I was curious as I had gone to St. Marteen, which is an island in the Caribbean, and they have chica bars populated mostly by Columbianas. Its $70-$80/30 minutes and includes room rate at those places but they are pretty basic places. However, its hard to not have a good time on a tropical island that also has chicas clubs. Sounds like like HK is much nicer and probably has higher quality girls but a little more $$. I like latinas and asian women but have visited less latina venues.
I have been mongering mostly in the USA For 12 years but have mongered in Thailand, Japan and St. Marteen and Costa Rica. So when I ask about cost I am comparing cost, service and chica attractiveness against what I can get at other mongering locations. I am looking at Costa Rica, CDMX or Bay Area and SCAL kgirl scene. The Bay Area Kgril scene is 1 hour $280 and by default you get MSOG, BBBJCIM, DFK and even BBFS if want it. You also have a review site that pretty much tells you the girls service quality and attractiveness as you can't always trust the photoshopped pics. As you say above it really comes down to preference. I have a trip coming up in March to Lisbon, where I will be mongering.Which bay area and what is Kgirl? Is this AMP's in SF Bay Area?
Go see HK and visit Tijuana's high food / Beer culture while at it outside of the zona Norte. That is the only way you can experience it. Follow what others stated here. They are all good advises.
Captain Solo
02-11-24, 19:48
This is funny.
A 42 YO woman wanting $30 K to get her out of her fucking career in HK? This is a big joke! Who's going to stop her from coming back to work in HK after 1 week? She probably thought you were Jeff Bezzo or an antiques procurer hehe. I would never look at or touch putas that old.
Some HK putas are cunning and have very high valuation of themselves, thanks to weak losers throwing their minimum wage on them and feeling proud.
Explorer8939
02-11-24, 22:17
HK chica had the nerve to ask me for $30 thousand dollars to get her out of the club. What an entitled *****. Who do these girls think they are. Does she not realize she's a 42 yo prostitute in Tijuana that makes a living sucking hairy penises because she has no other job skills. I obviously said no and then I received a barrage of angry comments and insults regarding my character and sex performance. Word of advice to other mongers. Never give money other than what you pay for in the club. They're spiders and have no qualms about trying to take your hard earned resources for themselves.I agree 100%.
It sounds like you learned your lesson from experience.
BrotherMouzone
02-11-24, 23:04
I suggest you spend day time one day at the beach (playas) - you can get there for a few dollars via uber OR take a mini-bus for $1 (the right color one that goes between playas and downtown).
Yeah, you can catch the $1 mini-bus from Zona Centro to Playas at the intersection of Carillo Puerto and Miguel F Martinez, which is about 3 blocks or so up the street from the Burger King on Revolucion. Yellow and white bus that will be marked "Playas" at the front. Just learned this on my last trip. You can catch it back to Centro at the same spot in Playas that they drop you off, which will be a couple minutes walk or so up the street from the actual beach.
BrotherMouzone
02-11-24, 23:18
HK chica had the nerve to ask me for $30 thousand dollars to get her out of the club. What an entitled *****. Who do these girls think they are. Does she not realize she's a 42 yo prostitute in Tijuana that makes a living sucking hairy penises because she has no other job skills. I obviously said no and then I received a barrage of angry comments and insults regarding my character and sex performance. Word of advice to other mongers. Never give money other than what you pay for in the club. They're spiders and have no qualms about trying to take your hard earned resources for themselves.Despite their situation in life as prostitutes, most of these chicas aren't stupid and over time develop a strong sense of which men they can extract $$$ out of. There's probably some sort of plausible reason why she thought she had some short of shot at squeezing thousands out of you. IIRC, you've talked a few times on these boards about blowing thousands of $$$ outside of the club supporting either one or multiple hookers. No offense at all to you but it may be the case that you've been pegged by some chicas (or at least this one chica) as someone they can sucker that amount of money out of. HK chicas don't just walk around asking their clients for that sum of money without rhyme or reason, LOL.
KetoAndKettle
02-12-24, 00:44
A lot of discussion on trying to navigate around HK's deteriorating level of service, with rabid meseros and drink charges, etc.
I think the goal should somehow be to avoid sitting with any chica, if its possible that is. Just hang out on your own, with one drink to sip on for a half hour. Just take her up if one approaches you.
In the first minute. (it's usually exactly at the sixty-one second mark that the mesero materializes from the wave potential of matter, to particle in front of you).
That a chica approaches you, do all your intuitional work, feel into the situation, and if a yes, just go directly to arriba. Saves times and dinero.
But you need to have an enhanced power of intuition that she's going to be arriba-worthy, somehow, since you're not spending all that sit-in-a-booth money on her.
I'm not offering much value here. Just stating the obvious.
It's tough for me to resonate with gringos who put a lot of value on hotness. They want the hottest ones to approach them.
I've been with hk chicas that so many have passed over (I observe it happening while I'm off on my own, sipping on a single drink to the dismay of the meseros LOL). And those chicas have been excellent experiences. Try it, have fun of it, make it a game.
One pattern that I've seen over and over, that has rang true, were that the chicas who had a frustrated, almost beat down look in their eye when they approached me as soon as I walk in to hk (as if their look said: "you're going to pass me over too "). Have *all* been great in the cama. Best looking? No. Fun?, fook yeah.
Captain Solo
02-12-24, 01:59
Hi Rambo.
Good to hear your views in this forum.
Asia has lots of nice, clean, beautiful girls who act nice, honest, feminine, classy, unlike countries where girls are cold, greedy, dishonest, mercenary.
For a taste of hot, passionate sex, take hot girls to bed is Asia places I reported, have them caress your dick lovingly, squeeze you tight like an octopus, suck your tongue out, ram their crotches onto yours, pussies gripping your dick as they pull out, fuck your brains out, gasping, moaning, to satisfy their own lust.
Welcome back Captain. Missed your funny posts in this forum when you were visiting Asia.
Just hang out on your own .... if one approaches you ...In the first minute. (it's usually exactly at the sixty-one second mark that the mesero materializes from the wave potential of matter, to particle in front of you).
Love that statement about meseros materializing from the wave potential of matter.
One of the time funniest & smarted lines in the forum.
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