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Time to fulfill a promise I made to Giotto during a rather drunken night last week friday.
I arrived in BKK on April 27th around 09.30 am and was picked up by a Limousine service arranged by Guido. Everything went smoothly and I was checked in around 11.00.
As it was my first night back in BKK (I'm not new to BKK, have been coming here regularly since 1993) and I was waiting for my Wingman to arrive the next day, I thought it would be a good idea to plan for a quite night and decided to have dinner at the Lodge and a few beers in the Sports bar.
A few beers turned into a few more, the ladies were extremely charming and in the end I had a great time. I met Giotto for the first time that night and we ended up having a discussion about the advantages / disadvantages of posting reports.
My main reason for never having posted before in the ISG Forums is the fact that I can't be bothered with the mostly negative comments from some of the more Senior Members who think they know it all and prefer debating the Sociological issues in Thai Society rather than mongering topics. Most recent example that springs to mind is the feedback one Poster received after he wrote a report in the Bangkok report thread on his trip to Isaan where he stayed with his GF and her family.
Giotto disagreed with my point of view and used his ( considerable) persuasive skills to convince me to add my 2 cents to the board, so here we go.
This is my firsts stay at Livingstone's although as previously mentioned I've been coming to BKK for quite a while. I usually stay at either the GP or the JW Marriott.
How does Livingstone's compare? I have just extended my stay by 1 week, so that should answer the question.
Giotto has managed to create an oasis in the middle of Bangkok that reminds me a bit of the old Orchid Inn in Angeles City (Philippines), be it that the Lodge is of a much higher quality. Very comfortable rooms with excellent mattresses and large bathrooms. The staff are extremely friendly and helpfull and ofcourse the girls in the Sports bar are a lot of fun.
In fact they are so much fun that my Wingman and myself barfined 1 girl each for 5 night and took them with us to Hua Hin (stayed at the Anantara Resort, www.anantara.com). I can't praise the mamasan at the Sports bar enough for recommending the 2 girls we took with, this mamasan combines her business sense with having fun. She is of tremendous value to the bar IMHO.
What else did we get up to so far: The eden club, Darling Massage (Soi 12), Soi Cowboy ( to many bars to mention, but best times were had in Long Gun and Rawhide).
What can i say about the Eden club that hasn't been mentioned before: not much, the quality of the girls is debatable but their service is definitely great...(paid 3600 Baht for 2 girls + tip)
Darling massage: an easy location to reach but very old rooms that desperately need renovation. Not a lot of choices in the fish bowl (around 20 girls) but we were both satisfied with the service we received for 2500 Baht + tip.
I'm looking forward to another week at the Lodge and if appreciated will start adding my thoughts and comments on a more regular basis.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Aussiebloke453
05-05-07, 11:34
Not sure if I would read Fleez comment in the same way as Giotto.
First I would say it's very fair from the Pesky one to tell upfront her 'status'.
But I would interpret the behavior of Fleez alternative girl differently. Of course 15 minutes for getting ready is a bit on the upper side of the expected time, but maybe still not that unusual. So I wouldn't necessarily say that it was the girl’s intention not to show up. That would create much more 'noise' and probably some search activity. At least I would have looked for her after lets say latest 25 minutes waiting time if I would bee so keen to have her, which is the normal case. So not showing up can't be an option for the girl, as a complain would be 100% sure with all the consequences. I don't think she would be that stupid.
So from the writing I would rather say that Fleez declined more by himself, as the 'replacement' may not have been necessarily his primary choice. So he decided after rethinking during the 15 min. waiting time and left, but of course as a gentleman he paid the committed barfine. Fair not only from the pesky one, but also from Fleez.
So Fleez, am I right? Not sure of course and could you find something your primary taste that night as an alternative?
Regards
Brain666Hi Brian666,
You are absolutely on the money!
I have no issue with Livingstones, I like the set up and atmosphere.
On the night it was what I had to do. After and couple of hours with the Pesky one at the bar and having high expectations of the night ahead only to have the end of month status announcement was ultimately what made me get up and go.
Your correct 15 minutes was getting on the long side and yes 25 minutes or longer is not unheard of, they do like to get themselves looking right! It gave me time to reflect on what could have been with the pesky one and the other lady was as I said end of the night rush, like 5-10 minutes. I like to spend time to get to know them a bit, see if there is some mutual connection.
I didn't give or had the time to connect with the other lady, I am sure she would have been fine but that connection time was not there so I as you picked up did what I felt was the right thing for both.
This thread was not about the 1000b it was me that walked no one else and I wasn't forced. I am probably too much the old school and doing the right thing.
Yes it would have been nice to have know Pesky's status up front, the result would have been different as I am sure by looking at the quality of ladies at the bar a connection would have been made. The 15 minutes waiting would have then been an additional tease and game one.
Thanks for picking up where I was coming from. Be interested in what you and other members would have done if in the same position.
Regards,
Fleetz
Mr Marketing Director
Thank you for your generous offer and hospitable future welcome, however I fear that you may have to have a quiet word with Mr G himself. Although I am not a hooligan or vandal, in fact I am a respectable middle-aged student nurse monger, he cannot escape my attentions by swearing a vow of silence and chastity in some French cave. Mr G will have to meet me and shake my hand to overcome his fears. I promise not to break his girls, I'll probably not even BF them for fear of doing them some permenant gynacological damage and making them fall in lub with me, so destroying the very fabric of their world. Instead, I will be a considerate guest. I'll drink your beer, eat your food, charm your women and generally uphold the highest traditions of an ISG monger.
I look forward to meeting you both.
Pete
Aussiebloke453
05-05-07, 12:02
Fleetz (Fleeeeetz :) ),
Therapy ... LOL :) .
Sorry for that, difficult for me to check on that story from last June now, months later. The Pesky One is still working here, I never heard any complaints about her up to now, but obviously something went wrong that night.
Just come over here again, and we will find a solution about that money you paid for nothing - this is not the way I want to earn money here. Next time - please - leave a message somehow, ask for me, that I know what has happened, and that I can do something! If a girl is barfined and does not show up to go out with the customer ... I don't want her to work here then.
Hope to see you again here at Livingstone's, to clarify the issue and have some beers together.
GiottoHi Goitto,
Appreciate your kind gesture and the spirit it which is was made.
Not about the lady not showing up as I know she would have have when she had everything in order. It also it not about the bar fine and I know that is not how you run your business. No question. I left it you didn't take it!
If you read my reply to Brain666 post you will see where I was coming from.
There was an element of feeling comfortable coming back to Livingstones which is what I would like to do when I am back in June. I had never been in the position before and didn't know if by walkng away there may have been some issue with the lady I left at the post! My experience is with Thai ladies they typically have very long memories.
Just nice to know when I come back to Livingstones I will not be set on by a screaming Thai banshee!
I look forward to having a few beers with you in June, and my shout!
Thanks for your concerned response look forward to having a laugh in June with you.
Regards,
Fleetz
I read this post as Fleetz had barfined the barlady Interpreter and has nothing to do with the Pesky one.
15 minutes of waiting is eternity for anyone of us who has to wait for girl to be ready to go out. Especially to a drunken sailor (not to say Fleetz was drunken sailor). But we have all been there. Waiting, anxious, just wanna to get laid. I supposed Fleetz had second thought on his alternative choice. It's both the barlady and Fleetz's fault. Perhaps the barfined can be discounted back? Like 50% off the barfine on the next two girls he gets at Giotto's place. Nobody loses with this kind of offer.
Bill
I hope this year I get to stay at Livingstones!
Picked out who I later found out from a picture post the girl who was called the pesky one. English was not very good and my THai was non exsitant but that was OK. When it come time to barfine her she was trying to tell me something but I couldn't understand what it was. One of the other girls helped out with some Thai-English. She was trying to tell my she was at towards the end of her monthly! Thought that was sweet and honest of her and I thought that was just too hard so I graciously declined her for the night.
So dissappointed and was going to call it a night and the little Thai barlady interpretor started talking and was obviuosly keen to take Pesky's place as it was getting late and bar was closing. Anyway it didn't feel right and I should have just left a bit pushy and not very warm so what did I do yep......bar fined her. She said she needed to get changed and would be back in a few minutes.
Probably getting on towards 15 minutes and she is still getting ready. Bar is all but closed and I had one of those moments where I thought it wasn't right not a good connection so I left the bar without her.
Cheers,
Fleetz
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Traveler1234
05-05-07, 15:33
15 minutes of waiting is eternalty for anyone of us who has to wait for girl to be ready to go out.Perhaps the barfined can be discounted back? Like 50% off the barfine on the next two girls he gets at Giotto's place. Nobody loses with this kind of offer.
Bill
Next trip, if she remembers him, let's see what happens :D :D
Marketing Director
PassinThrough
05-05-07, 17:59
Mr. G
I just wanted to say that I am looking forward to returning to your wonderful establishment at the end of the month. I am looking forward to seeing you, but not as much as I look forward to seeing the beautiful girls and having some of that great Thai food that your cooks prepare. I have already started getting ready for the food by drinking battery acid and practicing my flame throwing techniques (it is a bit spicy but that is why I like it).
I also want to thank you for continuing the promotion, I expect to take full advantage of it when I return.
Finally I want to add my views on Fleetz post. I have Bar Fined a few of the girls at Livingstones (OK, only 2 girls, but several times) and they have taken upwards of 15 to 25 minutes to get changed and ready. It doesn't really bother me as I know they are taking the time to make themselves more beautiful for me. I have had girlfriends that took 1 to 2 hours to get ready to go out at night, so waiting a bit does not bother me much. I think the whole point was that he thought about it a bit more and decided it wasn't right and I give him credit for that. I have been in the position where I made the wrong call and knew it but went through with it anyway because I was uncomfortable backing out.
Mr. G I think it is great that you are offering to make up the money to him. It proves to me, like I needed it, that Livingstones is a class establishment that does really care for the customer experience.
See you soon. Should I bring Tequila?
PIT
Fleetz, Brain666, Bill Lee,
A clear statement how I see the issue:
Within the two years Livingstone's is open for customers we have had some complaints. There are basically two groups of complaints: Those I take seriously because I accept the issue from the customer, something went wrong, the customer was overcharged, something in the room was not working, service lousy, steak wrongly cooked etc. etc. . Then there are those complaints of customers which I do not accept, customer suddenly changing their minds about the girls, complaining about the number of drinks, but we are sure that the bill is OK etc. etc. .
In this case - though it is months ago - I tend to simply believe the story. I don't think a girl should need longer than 15 min. to change, and a make up and preparation for the night will anyway be done in the customers hotel / apartment later. This girl had most likely something to do in the background, some chit-chat with friends, or she was not motivated at all - whatever it was - I find it NOT acceptable to let a customer wait longer than 15 min., this shows disrespect and bad behavior. This is NOT what we want here at Livingstone's.
Returning happy customers are more important for Livingstone's than THB 1,000.00 - I would not even think a second about refunding or not, I would simply fix that problem.
For others: If there are complaints don't hesitate to contact the Mamasan or the management directly, everybody will listen to what you have to say. And then we can directly deal with the problem, know about girls which do not fit in here, and can upgrade the quality of all areas of Livingstone's step by step.
Giotto
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My main reason for never having posted before in the ISG Forums is the fact that I can't be bothered with the mostly negative comments from some of the more Senior Members who think they know it all and prefer debating the Sociological issues in Thai Society rather than mongering topics. Most recent example that springs to mind is the feedback one Poster received after he wrote a report in the Bangkok report thread on his trip to Isaan where he stayed with his GF and her family.
Giotto disagreed with my point of view and used his ( considerable) persuasive skills to convince me to add my 2 cents to the board, so here we go.
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Jan 1969,
Thank you for you first report, welcome to the forum. I hope this will not be your last report...
Senior Members, please read this report! This shows very clearly how strong or negative comments from us have a negative impact on the report writing motivation from new members. And if we scare them away - the board will be boring and die sooner or later!
Jan 1969, thanks for your nice words about your stay here at Livingstone's, and let us know a bit more about your adventures here in Bangkok later on.
Giotto
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Should I bring Tequila?
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PassinThrough,
No, you will make me drunk again, and later then try to bar-fine me...NO!!!
Giotto
So Giotto, are you going to meet me or go into hiding? I'm expecting big things of Bangkok, don't disappoint me!
So Giotto, are you going to meet me or go into hiding? I'm expecting big things of Bangkok, don't disappoint me!Petemcc,
Feb. 2008 or Feb. 2009?
How can I know what I will do that time, it is still long time ... chances to prepare things...:)
But most likely I will suffer and meet you - if you insist :) .
Giotto
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There was an element of feeling comfortable coming back to Livingstones which is what I would like to do when I am back in June. I had never been in the position before and didn't know if by walkng away there may have been some issue with the lady I left at the post! My experience is with Thai ladies they typically have very long memories.
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Fleetz,
one more comment on your report.
Don't worry about that anybody will remember that story from last year. Even if that single girl is still working here and remembers it has no impact on the others, especially not on the non-bargirl staff of Livingstone's.
Other girls in the bar will appreciate a customer who talks nicely to them, buy a few drinks and take them out.
Giotto
Aussiebloke453
05-06-07, 13:32
Fleetz, Brain666, Bill Lee,
A clear statement how I see the issue:
Within the two years Livingstone's is open for customers we have had some complaints. There are basically two groups of complaints: Those I take seriously because I accept the issue from the customer, something went wrong, the customer was overcharged, something in the room was not working, service lousy, steak wrongly cooked etc. etc. . Then there are those complaints of customers which I do not accept, customer suddenly changing their minds about the girls, complaining about the number of drinks, but we are sure that the bill is OK etc. etc. .
In this case - though it is months ago - I tend to simply believe the story. I don't think a girl should need longer than 15 min. to change, and a make up and preparation for the night will anyway be done in the customers hotel / apartment later. This girl had most likely something to do in the background, some chit-chat with friends, or she was not motivated at all - whatever it was - I find it NOT acceptable to let a customer wait longer than 15 min., this shows disrespect and bad behavior. This is NOT what we want here at Livingstone's.
Returning happy customers are more important for Livingstone's than THB 1,000.00 - I would not even think a second about refunding or not, I would simply fix that problem.
For others: If there are complaints don't hesitate to contact the Mamasan or the management directly, everybody will listen to what you have to say. And then we can directly deal with the problem, know about girls which do not fit in here, and can upgrade the quality of all areas of Livingstone's step by step.
GiottoHi Giotto,
I believe I have stirred up a hornets nest!
This was never my intention nor was it a complaint nor was it attempt to claw back the bar fine. I do NOT want the bar fine, I believe I have made that clear now three times. Again for the third time I left it. Livingstone’s did NOT take it. It was my decision and don't regret leaving it I would have regretted it if I took it back!
I did the correct thing at the time well at least I thought I had, my error was raising it here it a vain attempt to see if through my action nearly a year on would effect how I may be received back. Hence the couple of comments about being set on by a screaming Thai banshee’s!
That it is all the post was about, Giotto no one doubts your integrity! You have a business that is WITHOUT question professionally run and is highly respected.
This again was not a complaint and I apologies if in anyway it appears that way. The pesky one was honest and up front when the time come and I decided she was the one for the night. Again her English and my Thai probably was the issue not communicating her situation, she was definitely not trying to mask anything.
The other girl was doing her job. Given my decision not to go with the pesky one I had only briefly spoke to Sonya and the other bar lady. Having interpreted the situation and not being committed for the night she was making herself available for a customer. So I don't want you to think the girls were attempting to mislead me in anyway they certainly were not and did not.
The Thai-English thing goes with the territory I believe it is in part what make Thailand an experience. Bottom line if we were able to communicate verbally I would have cut to the chase not long after calling her over. I would have found out a lot earlier NO question and she would not have had to go through what was probably an embarrassing situation it getting her friend to explain her situation. When I made the decision to BF her she gestured I didn't understand and her friend interpreted the situation. Up until that point I would have been customer just having a drink and enjoying her company which I did irrespective of the language void.
I regret mentioning the BF now and was only done in the context of highlighting that at that point in time I felt that it was not right and I decided to leave. Your kind and genuine gesture in returning is appreciated and highlights your ethics and values. It is not about BF and I am NOT going accept the kind offer. I left it, it was not an issue that Mamasan needed to attend to.
The 15 minutes gave me time for the blood that had built up in my other brain 3 feet south of my main brain to pump back in. When the blood returned to the main brain I decided it didn't feel right NO one else.
I assumed the lady was getting herself in order and looking slick, again not a complaint. We all like the ladies looking stunning, again what we all want, you would not want to know how long the missus takes to get ready! 15 minutes is a walk in the park.
If only I spoke Thai. After all I am batting on a Thai strip, when you get down to the nitty gritty this is where issue stemmed from and grew to. Livingstone’s, the pesky one and the other bar lady are in no way to blame.
Here I am wanting to find out what other members might have done in my situation and if I was likely to welcomed back at Livingstone's or if I was likely to be set by screaming Thai banshee's with good memories. . . . Now I have to watch out for a German Kato (aka from The Pink Panther)! (-:
Sorry for the long post but felt it needed it.
Regards,
Fleetz
Petemcc,
Feb. 2008 or Feb. 2009?
How can I know what I will do that time, it is still long time ... chances to prepare things...:)
But most likely I will suffer and meet you - if you insist :) .
Giotto
Well I don't have to stay with you, I just thought it would be fun to torment you!
2008 btw
PassinThrough
05-06-07, 17:31
PassinThrough,
No, you will make me drunk again, and later then try to bar-fine me...NO!!!
Giotto
No? That wasn't what you said last time, I think it was you that was telling me you would waive the bar fine on yourself for another drink. But like I said previously you just don't have right legs for me :-)
PIT
Feb 2008 btwNow that's what I call long-term planning.
Hope you get laid before then. :D
ArchieLeach
05-07-07, 03:06
A German Kato !
I'm laughing my ass off (LMAO). That's hilarious.
:)
BTW Giotto, I have finalized my flights (YEAH!) and will arrive Oct 12th and check out Oct 19th. I wonder how many customers book 5-6 months away? I should be able to book a good room this far out. OK, it's not as far away as Pete, but I'm not as much trouble as he is either. ;)
I will contact your staff via the website within the next day or so, unless I should PM you directly.
Archie
Well I don't have to stay with you, I just thought it would be fun to torment you!
2008 btwPetemcc,
OK, OK. Just get over here, I remember that you anyway wanted to work here as a bartender long time ago - let's try that :) . Will it be the torture you are talking about?
Giotto
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I believe I have stirred up a hornets nest!
Fleetz,
no, actually I think you have described a situation which we all have experienced already in our mongering lifes.
This was never my intention nor was it a complaint nor was it attempt to claw back the bar fine. Understood, and I never thought it was about that. Then your writing style had been different. It was just an offer from me.
That it is all the post was about, Giotto no one doubts your integrity! You have a business that is WITHOUT question professionally run and is highly respected.Thanks, and part of that is simply to care about what customers experience and write here, and offer solutions for them. But the better solution for you and me seams to be: just come here again, and I invite you for a dinner! And then we walk into the Sports Lounge and watch what happens.
The 15 minutes gave me time for the blood that had built up in my other brain 3 feet south of my main brain to pump back in. When the blood returned to the main brain I decided it didn't feel right NO one else.Then you definitely made the right decision to leave :). But our girl should not have let you wait for 15 minutes. That's the issue for me here, that's where I have to look into.
Here I am wanting to find out what other members might have done in my situation and if I was likely to welcomed back at Livingstone's or if I was likely to be set by screaming Thai banshee's with good memories. . . . Now I have to watch out for a German Kato (aka from The Pink Panther)! (-: If I only knew this Kato - is that a nasty figure of The Pink Panther family? Don't worry, most likely the girls will not remember anything, and a screaming Thai banshee - no chance that this happens. And be sure, I take all this seriously, as something which went wrong, and I listen to customers. But I also don't want to make a problem out of it ... just try to do it right for everybody :) !
Thanks for your explanation, I think we understand that incident in the same way, and there is no problem for you to return to the Lodge, not with me and not with the ladies in the Sports Lounge.
Giotto
Aussiebloke453
05-07-07, 08:36
Fleetz,
no, actually I think you have described a situation which we all have experienced already in our mongering lifes.
Understood, and I never thought it was about that. Then your writing style had been different. It was just an offer from me.
Thanks, and part of that is simply to care about what customers experience and write here, and offer solutions for them. But the better solution for you and me seams to be: just come here again, and I invite you for a dinner! And then we walk into the Sports Lounge and watch what happens.
Then you definitely made the right decision to leave :). But our girl should not have let you wait for 15 minutes. That's the issue for me here, that's where I have to look into.
If I only knew this Kato - is that a nasty figure of The Pink Panther family? Don't worry, most likely the girls will not remember anything, and a screaming Thai banshee - no chance that this happens. And be sure, I take all this seriously, as something which went wrong, and I listen to customers. But I also don't want to make a problem out of it ... just try to do it right for everybody :) !
Thanks for your explanation, I think we understand that incident in the same way, and there is no problem for you to return to the Lodge, not with me and not with the ladies in the Sports Lounge.
GiottoHi Giotto,
Thanks for the feedback.
Interesting comment you make that a lot of fellow mongers are likely to have experienced this before. Makes me feel more comfortable with my decision to bale. It should feel right. Thanks
Your persistance in admirable! I will take you up on your dinner invitation only if I can buy you some beers! I will be heading back to BKK in June so I will catch up with you and stay a few days at the Lodge.
You obviously are not familiar with the Pink Panther movie series starring the late Peter Sellers as the bumbling inspector. He had an assistant Kato an Asian guy that alway use to try and surprise attack the inspector when he returned home. You have to see if you can get a DVD the series of Pink Panther movies are very very funny. Which is why ArchieLeach is currently wetting his pants! (-: When you see Kato in the movies you will understand where I was coming from. So I assure you the comment of a German Kato was not derogatory in anyway. Just my way of adding a lighter side to the post.
Regards,
Fleetz
PS The Pink Panther series of movies must be at least 25. 30 years old. So you must have been in your infant years when the movies were made!
I'm in Bangkok for the first time, staying at Livingstone's. I live China, so I've got an odd perspective. I'm used to hot Asian women, limited food options, and very cheap prices. Yes, Thailand is actually expensive if you're used to Chinese prices!
But this place - the Lodge - is great. The restaurant has great selections, and everything is well done and delicious. I could probably eat every meal while I'm here in-house and not repeat myself (but I'm going to anyway). There doesn't seem to be a dessert section, so let that be my sole complaint.
The room (superior - I'm cheap) is nice, bed fantastic. Too comfortable, in fact, since I end up sleeping later than planned every day.
Location seems good to me - I can find everything I'm looking for in the area, and the transportation is good. I haven't taken full advantage of the Sports Bar, but only because I'm trying to see everything, being new to town.
Guito and the staff are all friendly and helpful. I'll stay here again.
Oh, but I can't PM, since my subscription won't go through. Haven't figured out who to talk to about the promotion, but I've still got a few days.
So... what to write? Giotto told me I have to write a report for getting some voucher. Really hard, I can not think about anything new for this forum.
I stayed in Linvingstone's already 3 or 4 times, the value for money is great Sometimes I stay in Penny Black/SC if I have odd travel timing, and even there they charge you 1200B. Superior room here is only 600 more and you get a pool, better facilities, free WLAN and a really good pool side restaurant, with friendly people everywhere and if you ask, they are happy to show you how they make it:-)
Arrived yesterday and went for a shower at Akane. This place is generously covered on the forum, only a 5 minute walk from the Lodge, and one of the reasons why I like to stay here. I always visit Sally there, who by the way had birthday last week. She was a bit mad with me because I forgot her present.
Went over to SC early evening, I rarely BF girls from bars any more, since I keep in touch with the girls I already know, I have the probably wrong mindset that this gives me a better experience. Mainly because I am in BKK ~every 2 months, and I am soooo tired of the "hello how are you whats your name where you come from you buy me drink you speak thai --- silence" stuff again and again. But yesterday I just felt like it:-)
I should not go to bars early in the evening... first I end up bar hopping all evening, always in hope for finding "something better", and drinking too much. Also, the girls do not seem to believe in closing a deal early in te evening. Nowadays they ask for 3000 LT... and they are not overly willing to go down early. Probably they are always in hope for finding "something better" while it is early ;-)
The bars in SC are the same ever since, with my favorite being "Rawhide". But they are all the same more or less.
Went over to NEP. To me, the main difference between SC and NEP is that in NEP the bars are a bit more "distinguishable", if this word exists. What I do in NEP is, I go to Angel Witch, Erotica, Rainbow 4, chat up some girls, buy them a drink, tell them "will come back later, need to visit a friend". In between I check out the other bars for a drink, I never likes any of the other bars, but I somehow have in mind that the other bars might have changed and I should check for news there as well. So, no news again, I still don´t like the other bars, oh, yes, the former mamasan of Erotica is now working in Mercury. Oh, that reminds me that the mamasan of TILAC in SC really lost weight. I could not recognize her, but since she knew my name and stuff I have to believe her. Ugly brat, but honest and fun.
Anyway, took a girl from Angel Witch (which was packed as usual last night), 2000 LT, she just left for "going to school".
Coffee finished, have to go downstairs for more...
Also, I have a problem now. My flight is at midnight, so I need to get over with the day somehow. Probably Eden after lunch, some legit massage and then some soapy. So I can sleep on the plane hopefully.
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You obviously are not familiar with the Pink Panther movie series starring the late Peter Sellers as the bumbling inspector. He had an assistant Kato an Asian guy that alway use to try and surprise attack the inspector when he returned home.
...Fleetz,
LOL. I watched that series too, but I don't remember the name. But now I remember the character...but I am not that good in Karate.
I could surprise you in the Jacuzzi when you stay here ... :) , but I am quite sure that you don't appreciate surprises like that.
Giotto
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But this place - the Lodge - is great. The restaurant has great selections, and everything is well done and delicious. I could probably eat every meal while I'm here in-house and not repeat myself (but I'm going to anyway). There doesn't seem to be a dessert section, so let that be my sole complaint.
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El Doktor,
Thanks for your report. And thanks for staying at Livingstone's.
Yes, we have to work on our desert menu - the problem is that not many customers ask for desert, and it is hot here, difficult to keep things fresh once they are prepared. That's the reason why we only offer deserts which are prepared freshly.
Hope to see you again soon.
Giotto
Travellar22
05-08-07, 12:00
I am really sorry for writing mmy report late Giotto as after coming back to my homeland lots of pending works were in line to be sorted out so I thought that as i have to do some brain storming for writing some reports and have to re-arrange my memories so I preferred taking some time so that I can write my experiences with peace of mind and I will like to touch on different topics of interest with time .
I met a few ISG members during my stay there as well and really had good time of my life there and I hope that Giotto and his staff also did enjoy my stay too as i did.
Take care
Also, I have a problem now. My flight is at midnight, so I need to get over with the day somehow. Probably Eden after lunch, some legit massage and then some soapy. So I can sleep on the plane hopefully.Ok, I made it to the airport now. New airport lounges are really nice. Walking out of Eden I felt a bit shaky. They sucked the water out of my knees. So I decided to call it almost a day, not planning for the soapy. However, I checked out the "Immortal massage", which was advertised on the forum recently. If you leave Livingstone's, turn left, next small street right, after 30 meters you can see it on the right side, opposite Harry's Bar. I had a coke to cool down there, since I walked all the way from Eden back to Soi 33. Really cute waitress there, and had a small chit chat with a dutch guy who I think runs this place. Never been there before, but was very friendly, maybe a next time I should check Harry's Bar in the evening.
Now, about this immortal massage place I am a bit confused, since their website clearly pointed into "extra service" direction. I went inside, the place is OK, not bad but also nothing remarkable, nice cubicles, I took the 2 hour Thai massage, which was good but not excellent, and fully legit. No extras mentioned. This was OK for me, after the night with the Angel WItch girly, and Eden, but I somehow had in mind that "if they energize me again", I can give a clear recommendation. Well, the massage was not bad anyway. When I walked out, I saw 3 girls in sexy uniforms sitting in front of what looked to me like a empty shop. Maybe this massage place has two departments? No idea. But even the legit massage 2H/500B is Ok value.
...I should not go to bars early in the evening... first I end up bar hopping all evening, always in hope for finding "something better", and drinking too much. Also, the girls do not seem to believe in closing a deal early in te evening. Nowadays they ask for 3000 LT... and they are not overly willing to go down early. Probably they are always in hope for finding "something better" while it is early ;-)
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DrKnolle,
Thanks for your report.
Yep, that's what I also think sometimes. Every night sitting in a bar talking to customers ... my liver cries! If I could only go and try to find "something better" :) !
On the other hand - it might be difficult to find something better than I have found already, especially in bars.
It is low season now, and surprisingly the strong rain came early this year. I don't think the girls have too many customers right now, no reason to pay THB 3,000 in areas like Soi Cowboy or Nana.
Thanks for staying at Livingstone's.
Giotto
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If you leave Livingstone's, turn left, next small street right, after 30 meters you can see it on the right side, opposite Harry's Bar. I had a coke to cool down there, since I walked all the way from Eden back to Soi 33. Really cute waitress there, and had a small chit chat with a dutch guy who I think runs this place. Never been there before, but was very friendly, maybe a next time I should check Harry's Bar in the evening.
...DrKnolle,
Obviously I don't know the road any more. Neither Harry's Bar nor Immortal massage...oh my god.
OK, I will go out soon and check those places out.
Giotto
I am really sorry for writing mmy report late Giotto as after coming back to my homeland lots of pending works were in line to be sorted out so I thought that as i have to do some brain storming for writing some reports and have to re-arrange my memories so I preferred taking some time so that I can write my experiences with peace of mind and I will like to touch on different topics of interest with time .
...Travellar22,
Good to hear that you have returned home safely.
Understand that you need some "brain storming" for waiting report - I am sure you are talking about your small brain, because the other one is pobviously very busy in the moment with all the work :) ...
Take your time, and write a nice report, we will wait for that.
It was a pleasure for all of us here in Livingstone's to have you with us. Thanks again!
Giotto
Aussiebloke453
05-09-07, 06:44
Fleetz,
LOL. I watched that series too, but I don't remember the name. But now I remember the character...but I am not that good in Karate.
I could surprise you in the Jacuzzi when you stay here ... :) , but I am quite sure that you don't appreciate surprises like that.
GiottoHi Giotto.
Screaming Thai Banshees, a German Kato and now a crazy German in the Jaccuzi.... you sure know how to set up an exciting time for the guests! (-: (-:
Look forward to finally catching up in June for a dinner and a few beers!! Might order a room without the Jaccuzi. One less thing to watch out for although I suspect there in room under the bed for a crazy German! (-:
Regards,
Fleetz
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Look forward to finally catching up in June for a dinner and a few beers!! Might order a room without the Jaccuzi. One less thing to watch out for although I suspect there in room under the bed for a crazy German! (-:
...Fleetz,
Agreed. Dinner and beer is OK. If you order a Jacuzzi WITHOUT GIOTTO - I guarantee, I will NOT be in there :) !
Giotto
Aussiebloke453
05-09-07, 13:14
Fleetz,
Agreed. Dinner and beer is OK. If you order a Jacuzzi without Giotto - I guarantee, I will not be in there :) !
GiottoWhew!
Raining in Bangkok, water everywhere. Unusual, this much rain in May.
Should stop this weekend, and then we will have a longer dry period again.
Question: Somebody has the same impression as I have that Thai women get somehow very excited/horny during nightly rain showers?
Giotto
Modifications on our website: We show the room rates now.
The booking page offers to select smoking/non-smoking rooms.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Giotto
Maids Party.
The Sports Lounge is packed. Our Sexy-Coyote dancer busy. Good fun.
Giotto
Sukhumvit Sam
05-12-07, 17:37
Gentlemen:
Having just returned home from a four-night stay in BKK, all four nights of which were spent at Livingstone's, I am happy to provide you with a full account of my experiences and impressions.
Overall, the Lodge truly does deliver all that it claims, and is rumored, to do. Quite simply, the ambiance is idyllic, the service outstandingly good, the location excellent. I'd been to Thailand six or seven times over the past four or five years (if arithmetic serves), and never once derived as much enjoyment from my holiday as on this, my first time at the Lodge.
Most impressionably, it was Guido's civility and grace that set the tone for my stay. An unexpected delay in my flight plans didn't fluster him a bit: all my emails regarding reservation dates were answered promptly, personally (not by form letter), and in an eminently civilized, decent way. Other hotels (yes, I did explore other options before settling on Livingstone's for this stay) either answered my emailed booking requests with what amounted to form letters, or (in one case) failed to respond at all. Small a thing as it may seem, the difference in attitude betokened by personalized, timely responses to a customer's emails is quite something, really.
In person, Guido and staff were no less welcoming. The very warmly offered welcome, the handshake, the offer of any desired help, all these things could not have been improved upon. Is Guido perhaps the world's greatest hotel manager? I certainly wouldn't bet against it!
(And by the way, to a poster who was inquiring here whether Livingstone's allows outside guests: I was initially a bit baffled by the fine print at the bottom of my check-in form prohibiting visitors. But before I could even get round to asking, Guido himself explained to me that "If you should accidentally find yourself not alone one night . . . it's no problem . . . there are no joiner's fees . . .")
"Accidentally," then, might very well emerge as a leitmotif of your Livingstone's visit, as it did of mine. "Up to you," as the BG's say.
If all this sounds perhaps a bit too "gushing," consider if you will that I did not (and will not!) ask for a discount on the basis of this submission. I wanted to be able to write about the Lodge honestly, forthrightly, with an unbiased (unbought, if you like) account of my first, brief stay there. Asking for money back on my bill would have skewed the attempt in my conscience.
In that same spirit of candor, I will, with some hesitation (if only because it seems ungenerous), point out a few minor flaws. There was no soap in my bathroom when I checked in. Shampoo, yes; and even conditioner (in small bottles), but no bar soap at the sink. A quick run down to the corner convenience shop took care of that, but it does seem an unfortunate oversight, still, for a hotel billing itself as above the ordinary not to provide something so essential.
My room safe proved impossible to operate according to the instructions provided (which is the red key? they all look the same! or do I simply need new glasses?), but this small problem proved equally unimportant in the end.
Also (and I add this half tongue-in-cheek, half seriously), there seemed to be a ghost in my room.
Lest I be mistaken for a loon, no--I do not normally encounter ghosts. I'm not that sort of fellow.
But immediately upon checking in, when the bellboy flipped on the bathroom light for me, I registered the presence of a young woman standing just to the right of the mirror. Just as suddenly, she was gone. It didn't scare me. If anything, I was baffled. Because this can't be, doesn't make sense. There was a woman standing there, for a fraction of a second, I felt her presence, half saw her, and just as suddenly, she was gone.
Had I been drinking too much? Too little? God alone knows, I suspect.
Two nights later, as I approached the bathroom, I was suddenly startled, just as though someone had unexpectedly been standing there, waiting for me. You know that "sixth sense," that feeling you get, when someone is watching you? And unmistakably, it was a woman, a young woman, Thai, I think, who was just as suddenly NOT there. Rather an odd sort of thing to happen.
Happily, I'd packed a crucifix in my shoulder-bag (no, this is not a joke; I really did; the Catholic past dies hard) and so . . . well, who knows?
In summary:
Livingstone's ranks
A+ for atmosphere
A+ for location (I would have preferred a lower-numbered soi, initially, but had the best few meals of my life at the Robin Hood--lamb chops to die for!--right round the corner from the Lodge, and then discovered the superexcellent Villa Market, where you can get pate de fois gras, Russian vodka, Vegemite, and a thousand other imported goodies)
A+ for service, with a special nod to Guido
with a few points subtracted, candidly, for
1) the absence of soap
2) the presence of a ghost, though this second point must remain essentially subjective, and cannot legitimately be blamed on the ownership, management, or staff (I suppose).
Final grade: A+/A.
Do stay at Livingstone's! It's very much worth it!
Sukhumvit Sam
Nice report Sam. I like The Lodge for many of the same reasons (excellent and genuine personalized service), and a relaxed home away from home, with added benefits. Guido is the ultimate professional host - nothing shakes him, and he'll look after your every need (but not personally, thank God ;)). Giotto is a great guy - a complex intelligent character under that cool exterior, and I like that.
As for the ghost - a shiver went down my spine. Looks like it's time for Giotto to tell the story of the woman who lived and died in the large mansion years before it became Giotto's Lodge.
ArchieLeach
05-12-07, 19:13
I would like to request a room without ghosts, unless of course they provide ST. What is the bar fine for ghosts?
:p
PassinThrough
05-12-07, 19:27
Sam,
Great report and right on the money. I only stayed at the lodge for a couple nights but I was impressed enough that I will stop staying at the Westin and J.W., my usual choices, and just stay at Livingstones from now on. Giotto is a great guy but so are the rest of the staff. I was made welcome and comfortable the first time I visited and consistently through out my visit. There was soap in my bathroom, but no ghost. What room were you in? I will be back soon and would be interested to know if my room comes with more features than advertised.
PIT
Traveler1234
05-12-07, 19:49
Sam
Did you visit any good restaurants this trip....let us know.
Re ghosts, I'm a believer...if we ever meet up, will trade some stories with ya!
Gentlemen:
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Sukhumvit Sam,
Wow.
I answer tomorrow. Must take care of the ghost now :) !
Giotto
From the Bangkok Hotel thread, a great review of Livingstone's:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=596136
Thanks, Gourmetbob1!
Giotto
Question: Is Guido Giotto???
Giotto Guido
M P Lurker
05-12-07, 23:02
Gentlemen:
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Overall, the Lodge truly does deliver all that it claims, and is rumored, to do. Quite simply, the ambiance is idyllic, the service outstandingly good, the location excellent. I'd been to Thailand six or seven times over the past four or five years (if arithmetic serves), and never once derived as much enjoyment from my holiday as on this, my first time at the Lodge.
Most impressionably, it was Guido's civility and grace that set the tone for my stay. An unexpected delay in my flight plans didn't fluster him a bit: all my emails regarding reservation dates were answered promptly, personally (not by form letter), and in an eminently civilized, decent way. Other hotels (yes, I did explore other options before settling on Livingstone's for this stay) either answered my emailed booking requests with what amounted to form letters, or (in one case) failed to respond at all. Small a thing as it may seem, the difference in attitude betokened by personalized, timely responses to a customer's emails is quite something, really.
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In that same spirit of candor, I will, with some hesitation (if only because it seems ungenerous), point out a few minor flaws. There was no soap in my bathroom when I checked in. Shampoo, yes; and even conditioner (in small bottles), but no bar soap at the sink. A quick run down to the corner convenience shop took care of that, but it does seem an unfortunate oversight, still, for a hotel billing itself as above the ordinary not to provide something so essential.
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Also (and I add this half tongue-in-cheek, half seriously), there seemed to be a ghost in my room.
Lest I be mistaken for a loon, no--I do not normally encounter ghosts. I'm not that sort of fellow.
But immediately upon checking in, when the bellboy flipped on the bathroom light for me, I registered the presence of a young woman standing just to the right of the mirror. Just as suddenly, she was gone. It didn't scare me. If anything, I was baffled. Because this can't be, doesn't make sense. There was a woman standing there, for a fraction of a second, I felt her presence, half saw her, and just as suddenly, she was gone.
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Livingstone's ranks
A+ for atmosphere
A+ for location (I would have preferred a lower-numbered soi, initially, but had the best few meals of my life at the Robin Hood--lamb chops to die for!--right round the corner from the Lodge, and then discovered the superexcellent Villa Market, where you can get pate de fois gras, Russian vodka, Vegemite, and a thousand other imported goodies)
A+ for service, with a special nod to Guido
with a few points subtracted, candidly, for
1) the absence of soap
2) the presence of a ghost, though this second point must remain essentially subjective, and cannot legitimately be blamed on the ownership, management, or staff (I suppose).
Final grade: A+/A.
Do stay at Livingstone's! It's very much worth it!
Sukhumvit Sam
Damn, I always wanted to meet a Ghost but missed out in my stay at Livingstones.
Guido and Giotto are two different persons for those who don't know.
Guido is like the operational manager (Italian) where Giotto is German and the owner.
As for soap, I don't like it and prefer shower gel/creme which was supplied and is more popular in Thailand.
I therefore can't remember if soap was there as well.
Soap is usually alkaline and bad for the sexual areas due to encouraging fungal problems in sticky climates. Slightly acidic wash like "lactacyd" is something that should be used to protect your dick or pussy.
However each to there own and I do understand that many people expect a bar of soap. I get pissed off if a Hotel doesn't supply shower gel/cream as well or instead of soap.
I always wondered what appened to left over bars of used soap in Hotels. Does it get recycled on wasted? Perhaps its fed to the dogs.
Livingstones lodge met all of my needs well.
Great internet. Only went down briefly during a storm power outage.
Beds very comfortable.
Stylish bathroom.
Good pool.
Great food.
Price quite reasonable.
Great bar and hostesses.
World cup cricket was available on the TV. Good set of channels.
Only weakness was that room was quite hot when I first arrived (had been vacant for sometime). Had to be patient till aircon got it down to a nice temperature. Workman came to clean the aircon (had accumulated some dust) and then all was fixed.
Another slight problem for me was that I was a little embarassed that I was seeing more than one girl regularly and was difficult to be discreet about this. Hard to do it secretly. But, hey! Playing up is well accepted at this hotel. Its girl friendly.
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In person, Guido and staff were no less welcoming. The very warmly offered welcome, the handshake, the offer of any desired help, all these things could not have been improved upon. Is Guido perhaps the world's greatest hotel manager? I certainly wouldn't bet against it!
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In that same spirit of candor, I will, with some hesitation (if only because it seems ungenerous), point out a few minor flaws. There was no soap in my bathroom when I checked in. Shampoo, yes; and even conditioner (in small bottles), but no bar soap at the sink. A quick run down to the corner convenience shop took care of that, but it does seem an unfortunate oversight, still, for a hotel billing itself as above the ordinary not to provide something so essential.
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Sukhumvit Sam,
Thank you for your excellent report. I nearly feel ashamed about so much positive feedback. It is not as perfect here as you write.
I will look into the soap issue, we are right now re-thinking the procuement of all hotel-bathroom amenities. But soap should of course always be available in the rooms - it was obviously a mistake of the room maids. But it might make sense to add shower gel/cream etc. etc. . Will come back with news as soon as we made the decision here.
I even did not meet you! I believe you thought that Guido is Giotto? Good for me - then I can retire now! Nobody needs me...
Thanks for staying at the Lodge. Regarding the ghosts - I always thought Mrs. Giotto is the only ghost here, but obviously I am wrong. I will write a report about all those ghosts stories happening here already.
Thanks again.
Giotto
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As for the ghost - a shiver went down my spine. Looks like it's time for Giotto to tell the story of the woman who lived and died in the large mansion years before it became Giotto's Lodge.
...Piperman,
Yes, it was clear - the ghosts, that's what you are interested in. Let me prepare a report about that...I will have a lot of time in the future when the Lodge is empty :) !
BESTARD!!!
Giotto
I would like to request a room without ghosts, unless of course they provide ST. What is the bar fine for ghosts?
:pArchieLeach,
No barfine, they come for free! But they don't leave again ... :) !
Giotto
Member #3173
05-13-07, 11:31
I had an experience in a hotel in Haadyai too.Never went there again.I found
out late at night and it was too late to change hotels.So I kept the room lights on the whole night.Declined offer from reception to have middle aged masseur for company the rest of the night
Giotto
If this gets to be a problem, I will gladly stay in the ghost room, for a discount of course. I have stayed at many haunted places in the British Isles and experience nothing. A ghost could BBBJ,CIM with me and I would just think it was a mishap, I am that insensitive. Bring them on. If it saves a 1000B barfine, I'll stay in a room with a Thai girl ghost and put the whole thing down to being over excited.
Sukhumvit Sam
05-13-07, 13:01
Sukhumvit Sam,
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I even did not meet you! I believe you thought that Guido is Giotto? Good for me - then I can retire now! Nobody needs me...
Thanks for staying at the Lodge. Regarding the ghosts - I always thought Mrs. Giotto is the only ghost here, but obviously I am wrong. I will write a report about all those ghosts stories happening here already.
Thanks again.
Giotto
Dear Giotto,
You and I did meet, just once, about two years ago, when a friend (another ISG regular) and I visited the Lodge for dinner. So no, I did not have you and Guido confused. If we didn't meet this time, it's only because I was out and about most of the time, and simply using the Lodge as a hotel room. Next time (I plan to return in July), I'll have to visit your restaurant and bar once again.
I did think twice about including the "ghost story" in my post, but decided that it might be worth something in entertainment value. Maybe I should clarify that I'm not at all *certain* I did see a ghost. In fact, I didn't really "see" anything. Once again, I simply "registered" that someone was standing there (if that makes any sense!), and then saw that she wasn't . . . It was, make no mistake, a very strange sensation, but it may simply prove that I'm crazy! (I know too well what some people think about me already.)
If in fact others have seen ghosts at the Lodge (which you seem to suggest, though it seems you may be joking?), it definitely would be fun to read about!
Thanks for offering such a great service for all of us who travel to Bankgok!
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Guido and Giotto are two different persons for those who don't know.
Guido is like the operational manager (Italian) where Giotto is German and the owner.
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Mick Licker,
That's true, Guido and me a different persons. But Guido is not Italian - though he has an Italian name. He is German, too.
Giotto
I had an experience in a hotel in Haadyai too.Never went there again.I found
out late at night and it was too late to change hotels.So I kept the room lights on the whole night.Declined offer from reception to have middle aged masseur for company the rest of the nightMember #3173,
Hmmm...scary. I think I better change the hotel tonight :) . Do they have ghosts in Orientals, too ???
Giotto
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If this gets to be a problem, I will gladly stay in the ghost room, for a discount of course. I have stayed at many haunted places in the British Isles and experience nothing. A ghost could BBBJ,CIM with me and I would just think it was a mishap, I am that insensitive. Bring them on. If it saves a 1000B barfine, I'll stay in a room with a Thai girl ghost and put the whole thing down to being over excited.Petemcc,
Sorry, you misunderstood something. YOU ARE the ghost!!! And the word "discount" does not exist here at Livingstone's :).
Giotto
Petemcc,
Sorry, you misunderstood something. YOU ARE the ghost!!! And the word "discount" does not exist here at Livingstone's :).
Giotto
Funny you should say that. I was babysitting a fruitloop yesterday who told me that as soon as I left him I was dead. Perhaps I am a ghost, in which case I will not have to pay BFs or any bills, as I don't really exist.
I suppose the word 'free' doesn't exist either?
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I suppose the word 'free' doesn't exist either?Petemcc,
I just found out that I am definitely wrong with my comment about "discounts", we even offer discounts for ISG members.
But what does "free" mean :) ?
Giotto
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You and I did meet, just once, about two years ago, when a friend (another ISG regular) and I visited the Lodge for dinner. So no, I did not have you and Guido confused. If we didn't meet this time, it's only because I was out and about most of the time, and simply using the Lodge as a hotel room. Next time (I plan to return in July), I'll have to visit your restaurant and bar once again.
I did think twice about including the "ghost story" in my post, but decided that it might be worth something in entertainment value. Maybe I should clarify that I'm not at all *certain* I did see a ghost. In fact, I didn't really "see" anything. Once again, I simply "registered" that someone was standing there (if that makes any sense!), and then saw that she wasn't . . . It was, make no mistake, a very strange sensation, but it may simply prove that I'm crazy! (I know too well what some people think about me already.)
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Sukhumvit Sam,
Yes, I remember that meeting. That's why I am surprised that you stayed here this time, you were quite reluctant regarding the Lodge and its prices during your first visit. Anyway - I appreciate you staying here, and appreciate your reports (all of them :) .
Ghost Story: First of all I think you have the right to write whatever you experienced here, even if it is a ghost story. Now - I don't believe in ghosts, no way. But I know - some people do. The majority of the Thai people do that anyway, and many Asians. May be I underestimate the impact of a rumour: There are ghosts at Livingstone's Lodge. But I am willing to take that risk. And - it certainly has some entertainment value for others.
Hope to see you again here soon.
Giotto
Travellar22
05-14-07, 11:22
Today is my first routine day after coming back so thinking of writing regarding my recent trip to Bangkok which unexpectedly lasted for nine days and eight nights at same place and same city.
I think I should start from the beginning of journey which was initiated from Lahore by Thai airlines A-300 air bus which I think is outdated and old plane and even in house movies were pathetic and quality of picture was totally blurred and I was wondering why a country which projects itself as tourist oriented country should allow such planes and that with such a quality of picture to fly as it creates really bad impression as when we see the progress in Bangkok otherwise it is in contrast quite appreciable.
My plane landed after a nonstop flight of around four hours in early morning hours of 6:00 am on 27th May at Swarnbhoomi air port which I experienced for first time since its inauguration and my first impression after seeing it was impressive as immigration services are fast and it is huge modern airport of this era and country like Thailand having this size of airport and quality is commendable though it is quite confusing when once u start looking for your luggage because lack of proper signs and difficulty in finding the specific belt for ur flight.
To avoid any hassle in finding a taxi I requested management of Livingstone’s to arrange for a meet and assist service at airport which they did despite I just asked them to provide about 8 hours before my arrival and chauffer driven BMW was there to pick me up with a person standing outside with my name written and I reached Livingstone’s at around 7:00 am and car stopped in front of two elephant tusks and I carried my luggage bag by towing it inside and was wondering why there is no concierge service and when I entered in the lobby of lodge the staff was sleeping on Sofa in front of reception desk and first impression I got scared that if I had made correct choice in choosing my hotel for stay or not . Any way I made the girl to wake up who was sleeping on sofa and completed the formalities of check in and was shown the room which was supposed to be changed after 12:00 pm as junior suite I requested was to be available after checkout time. I went down.
After keeping the suitcase for breakfast and the breakfast place seemed to be quite romantic along pool side as water was blue and clear and perfectly placed wooden tables and wooden log benches.
As my last 24 hrs were very hectic because of visa and travel hassles I had to undergo before my flight I slept only for an hour or two so was deadly tired and tried to sleep but as my room was to be changed after 12:00 pm so kept on waiting and finally when I was asked to move from 114 to 115 junior suite with double Jacuzzi. After shifting and re organizing my luggage now I tried to sleep but soon found out that this room was hotter compared to my previous room and I observed as air conditioner was installed away to the other corner from bed and room is bigger to I felt un comfortable because of humidity and heat so again went down and asked reception staff to move me back to 114. Reception staff was changed by this time and new shift with an Indian girl at reception desk who could speak better English she understood my problem so she directed the house keeping staff to move me back. After moving back now mentally I got relaxed as now I knew that I had to stay in this room so I slept for few hours now and by 3:00 pm I got up took shower and went down to eat some thing. While going to restaurant on my way I came across a man with spectacles and wearing long shorts and a t shirt and I thought he was also a guest staying. I went to reception girl again and asked for the owner or boss of lodge she pointed out to same man which I have mentioned earlier so I went to him and said hello and introduced myself and he immediately recognized by my handle travellar 22 and welcomed me and told me that he was busy in certain issues regarding change of pool table in sports bar and will meet me later.
I then went to pool side restaurant and ordered food and now started observing in detail regarding the atmosphere and happenings around. A guest was also there who was in his swim kit along with two girls and both girls were quite attractive and very friendly towards him. One of the girl went o change room and changed into red sexy bikini and also started swimming in pool but she never looked like a Thai girl which later proved to be correct as she was a Cuban girl and she comes to lodge occasionally to meet her friends who work in bar.
Second girl was Thai and she was wearing sea blue t shirt and white trouser and she really looked real good when she got busy in setting some religious acts as a statue of Buddha was also there and girls who start coming around 3:00pm first of all do pray in that corner and then get ready for work.
My food came in mean while and while I was eating food Giotto was busy himself along with some workers in setting up new pool table which later turned out to be smaller than ordered in sports bar as it looked as if he was trying to set things in hurry as bar was scheduled to be open at 3:00pm . After setting things up Giotto straight away came to my table and sat across me and after initial hello and hi I found out that he is a very well informed person regarding lodge whether he is around or not and has a proper system which keep him informed of every issue as he knew very much regarding my room issue which I have described above and told me that some guests like ac above bed and some like it away from bed any way I was not convinced as to me may be ac is of smaller capacity comparing to size of room.
Then he gave me detailed information of soi 33 and asked my preferences and likings and disliking during my stay and advised me to have a look around and then should also discuss with mamasen in evening and see what can be done.
I told him my issues that I am not looking for a ordinary sex partner and then change to the next one and so on but I am looking for a real classy sexy Thai girl which I usually see in TV ads or sometimes as air hostess while I travel in Thai airways.
Giotto understood my point of view and told me types of girls I can find in sports bar and other bars like The Office bar across the road and girls in Renoir and Monet bars in soi 33 and the we talked about Pegasus and Piano club or Spasso in Grand Erwin hotel and CM 2 etc.
In our discussion I came to understood that the type of girl I was looking may be difficult to find as such beautiful Thai girls either don’t work in bars and are not in sex business as they are usually financially well off as they get good jobs in hotels reception or in music bands or in airlines and for that I have to be real lucky to come across in areas where tourists look for.
Girls working in sex industry are usually from poor back ground and are normal in looks but some of them are sexy or have good body figure. According to my standards what I think in working places of all sorts girls range from say 4 to 7 or very rarely 8 and 9 to 10 sort of girl is quite impossible to find in such places or may one has to really work hard and roam a lot for finding such a exquisite beauty which for a tourist is really cumbersome and one who lives in Thailand can only do so.
There is always a discussion going on that where we can find stunners and beauty standards of Thai girls comparing them with Indians or Russians as generally we find that they are more beautiful than what we find in Thailand and to all this discussion my answer is that Thai girls who are really beautiful and real stunners there are no less than any beauty standard of world but cant be found in working areas as may be financially they are more sound and don’t need to work in sex industry comparing to Russian states girls as may be economically these girls are not stable so their standards is high comparing to Thais but on other hand attitude standards are quite worse to what we find usually in Russian states girls when we compare them with Thai girls.
I hope readers will bear my long reports as i just want to write them as the thoughts come in mind regarding my trip when i get free time so they will be bit long and may be some what wavered so pl forgive me but i will like to write very tiny details in reports to come so pl wait and bear.
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Petemcc,
I just found out that I am definitely wrong with my comment about "discounts", we even offer discounts for ISG members.
But what does "free" mean :) ?
Giotto
Giotto
I am glad you offer discounts, unfortunately I won't be elligible, however I can tell you what free is and how I am elligible.
Some time ago I told you that I was training to be a nurse, and I offered my services to you as a barman and girl checker. With my background, I could have performed tests on your girls to see if they were disease free. This, unfortunately for me would have involved close inspection and tasting of their genitilia, as well as swabs. Swabs are of course best taken high up, on the surface of a condom.
I offered my services at a fantastic price. I can't remember what it was, but someting like 50K Aus a year. You declined my generous offer.
Well Giotto, this is free. I will test your girls for you and not demand any payment. I will probably only require each girl for 30 minutes a day, say 5 girls a day, on a constant rotation. That shouldn't upset their work routines.
Giotto, this will be at great personal expense. I will be giving my services without charge, and possibly risking my health.
That is free. So will Livingstone's ever consider the concept of free-for me?
Pete
Today is my first routine day after coming back so thinking of writing regarding my recent trip to Bangkok which unexpectedly lasted for nine days and eight nights at same place and same city.
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Travellar22,
Thank you very much for your report. As you know I have various reasons for that... :) .
Tomorrow - tomorrow I will go into details, and respond. It is too late now.
Giotto
Well Giotto, this is free. I will test your girls for you and not demand any payment. ...
Petemcc,
You obviously miss the point. The question is whether the girls want to test you :) .
Giotto
Sukhumvit Sam
05-14-07, 20:21
Sukhumvit Sam,
Yes, I remember that meeting. That's why I am surprised that you stayed here this time, you were quite reluctant regarding the Lodge and its prices during your first visit. Anyway - I appreciate you staying here, and appreciate your reports (all of them :) .
Ghost Story: First of all I think you have the right to write whatever you experienced here, even if it is a ghost story. Now - I don't believe in ghosts, no way. But I know - some people do. The majority of the Thai people do that anyway, and many Asians. May be I underestimate the impact of a rumour: There are ghosts at Livingstone's Lodge. But I am willing to take that risk. And - it certainly has some entertainment value for others.
Hope to see you again here soon.
Giotto
Giotto,
Thanks for understanding.
I'm a teacher, and must subsist on a teacher's wage. This puts me miles below many of your guests in terms of social class and spending ability, I suspect, though as a teacher in Korea I can command roughly three times what I'd make in Thailand (perhaps four?), and so can afford to "splash out" a bit when on holiday. (I could be a jerk and add that I work at one of the top three private secondary schools in South Korea: naw, that's too much pathetic boasting already!)
Perhaps the really great thing about the Lodge is that it DOES allow a middle-class tourist like me to live it up a bit, at least for a few nights or so, and to enjoy really world-class services and amenities without having to pay through-the-roof prices.
My overreaction, a couple of odd years ago, to your telling me that you dislike the "sex tourist" crowd frequenting the Nana Hotel and such places was . . . well, not quite nice, and was something which I attempted to remedy by staying at the Lodge and then delivering a deservedly glowing report of the place.
And believe me: I do understand about your having to charge prices (far from exorbitant!) which enable you to stay in business!
Hope to see you next time, at the Lodge!
You've TRULY got the competition beat; of that, there can be no mistake!
Petemcc,
You obviously miss the point. The question is whether the girls want to test you :) .
Giotto
You've got me there!
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Perhaps the really great thing about the Lodge is that it DOES allow a middle-class tourist like me to live it up a bit, at least for a few nights or so, and to enjoy really world-class services and amenities without having to pay through-the-roof prices.
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Sukhumvit Sam,
LoSo, MidSo, HiSo ... I don't care. Whoever comes here and follows some basic rules of reasonable behavior without disturbung others has the freedom to do whatever he wants - and is welcome.
Giotto
You've got me there!Petemcc,
anyway, let's go into details about what "free" means - when you are here.
Hope to see you in February!
Giotto
One Wing Low
05-15-07, 07:06
I was at the lodge in January. I had to leave early in the morning for the airport, so I forgot a bunch of gifts and personal items in the room. I was shocked since it took a lot of time to collect them.
A few emails later, the Gen Manager of the Lodge had found the items and ready to ship them back to me. What a relief. Not sure if that kind of service could be found at bigger hotels anywhere.
The rooms at the Lodge do have characters, decorated in African theme. Very unique. The room and the sheets are extremely clean. The pretty and smooth-skinned Thai girl, who was supposed to stay the whole night in the clean bed with me...well, she flew the coop after my first pop, leaving me with a serious hardon all night in the African room...
Good reasons to come to BKK and the Lodge again, hopefully with more time...
LoSo, MidSo, HiSo ... I don't care. Whoever comes here and follows some basic rules of reasonable behavior without disturbung others has the freedom to do whatever he wants - and is welcome.
GiottoYes, even I am welcome. I think (?) ;)
Yes, even I am welcome. I think (?) ;)Pipeman,
Sorry - before I answer this question I must talk to Island Girl.
Giotto
Black Magic
05-15-07, 14:17
Giotto,
The time has finally arrived, officially on leave from work from tonight will be flying out to BK on thurs will be at the lodge on Friday night with my friend, we are greatly looking forward to it, I hope the sports bar is in full swing for the weekend! :) hope to catch you there.
PS: Whats the weather over like over there? still raining?
Petemcc,
anyway, let's go into details about what "free" means - when you are here.
Hope to see you in February!
Giotto
And I hope for some freebies!
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PS: Whats the weather over like over there? still raining?Black Magic,
There was a cyclone, landfall close to Rangoon (Myanmar). We had extraordinary rainfall during the past few weeks. It is said to get better now, with remaining strong rainfalls only in the North and the very South.
See you on Friday.
Giotto
Petemcc
Please forget about the job of checking out the girls. As the TQM Director for the Livingstone's that job is already taken. BY ME. Dr. G was too polite to tell you and hurt your feelings.
Top jobs have already been taken. The Marketing Director and The Vice-President spots have already been filled. Sorry Bestard, you are too late. :D:D
Now there is one job which recently came on the list. The Ghostbuster. You get to f**k all the ghosts. FOR FREE.
Have fun :)
Travellar22
05-16-07, 12:48
While all the pleasant exchanges were going on a very sexy lady appeared on the scene and Giotto pointed out that she is mamasan and I was surprised to see that she is so young and so beautiful and so sexy and was wondering if this place has such a classy mamasaan what would be the standard of girls in sports lounge.
Now Giotto leaves me with a promise to see back in evening in bar and I also finished my meal and now mostly girls had arrived and were going to back room for evening preparation and change of dresses and I had the opportunity to have a good look at them and was trying to form a opinion about them and see if any one of them would fit in my frame or no as it was a good opportunity to observe them without make up.
As I told you earlier I was out for a look of 9 or 10 and what ever I saw was not above 6 or 7 and was wondering where should I go and what to do as this time I had my plans of having long holidays so I was desperate in finding a person who should stay with me for such a long period.
Mamasaan was sitting across the pool and was smoking and in the mean while Giotto joined her too and they both were discussing some matter and I went straight to them and introduced myself to mamasaan deliberately in front of Giotto by thinking that as by now Giotto knows my preferences so may be he also suggest her any thing which should help me in finding my quest. Giotto introduced me to her and I sat across them and told her that I have come here with very high hopes and she should help me out and suggest me what to do and where to go. While talking to her in my mind a previous story narrated by Giotto was going on and was thinking is she the same mamasaan whom a customer tried his best to bar fine her but failed to do so. Though when I read the story in forum I could not know the answer but during this trip I was able to find the answer later on which I will also share with u people later.
Giotto in the mean while left us and she asked me my preferences and said that we should talk again after dinner and as I was all alone till that time so I invited her on dinner which she graciously accepted and in the mean while Giotto also came back and I extended my offer to him as well and now Guido also came and I came to know he too is a German guy and manager of Lodge so he was also invited and hence dinner at 8:30pm for 4 persons finally was planned in the same very premises and menu was left on the choice of Guido and I went upstairs for change and shower and for some rest as well.
At around 7:30 pm I came down and straight went into sports lounge and now girls whom I saw in evening coming without makeup were fully changed into girls in makeup and dressed in a theme dress and lined up at entrance saying welcome in typical Thai way and I settled at a table and had a look around and tried to observe what was going around.
It is a very nice bar with an appropriate light with a pool table and plasma TV and around 10 to twelve bar tables and stools. Now I noticed that there was another mamasaan around too who was instructing girls to attend to the customers who were coming in and she came to me as well and asked if I would like to sit with some lady or no to which I replied in no by saying that I have a dinner appointment with Giotto and the Mamasaan and I am waiting for them. In the meanwhile I had a Heineken Bear and focused on pool table and tried to learn and get information how it is played as I had never played this game before.
As agreed Giotto and Mamasaan turned up at around 8:15 and I asked them for drinks which they ordered and then we started talking and now Mamasaan asked me if I like any girl here around as she told me that they are all beautiful and I frankly told her that no I still have not found any girl here which goes by my standard and she looked quite perturbed by my answer and any ways we now moved to the restaurant as Guido the manger came asked us that he has prepared special menu for us today and food is ready so we should move.
We went to restaurant and had lovely food and wonderful bottle of wine and talked on different subjects and by now I was having a feeling that we all are good friends since long and we know each other well and I started to have a feeling of enjoyment and a new feeling developed inside me that I am here not alone and rather am here to visit my friends who are wonderful company too and this was the real time when I got relaxed and felt at home away from home minus all the restrictions of home loll.
Now this feeling was the main difference due to which I stayed for 9 consecutive nights at same place and never felt for leaving it at any time despite of being with any old timer friend or girl friend loll though initially while coming to Thailand I had in my mind to spread this trip like three days in Bangkok two days in Pataya and three days in Phouket or Koh Samui.
Though I am not in a habit of going in personal matters of other but as here in this very forum someone wrote that mamasaan is Mrs. Giotto so despite so much frankness till now I myself did not ask Giotto until he himself unveiled that in Thailand he has two wives till now one is Maamasan and his other wife is gone for a day or two and will be back by next day and he loves both .He did not tell me however that how many other wives and in which country he has them or no loll.
I must say that he is lucky person as he has two very beautiful wives both Thai ladies who are wonderful stylish classy and extremely helpful and friendly in nature.
Now again back to question of girls I told Mamasaan that I developed my liking for a girl whom I saw in afternoon with a guest while I was having lunch and if she is free tonight I will definitely go for her and remember I mentioned two girls earlier in report one with red bikini who later found out was not a bar girl but a Cuban lady and other one was the Thai one who was really wonderful and her attitude was real good and she speaks English as well with ease.
Mamasaan immediately came to know about whom I was mentioning and while we were having dinner she came to her and was asking leave and we came to know that she is going on long leave and I think she was bar fined for whole week as she never turned up later except the day I was leaving I saw her again in Lodge and my bad luck as I really wanted that girl to be with me but I missed her during my all trip.
After dinner we again went back to bar and now I was taught there rules of playing pool and in between The Mamasaan was introducing me different girls so that I can become more comfortable.
Me and Giotto were both drinking like any thing and both were becoming bit drunk and now in the late hours of night music was becoming more energetic and dancing and all bar girls were dancing and bar was full of customers and by this time I felt another change in me that now I started developing some liking in different girls loll may be because by now bear and wine goggles were on and many girl was looking sexy and hot and I also offered lady drinks to a few and soon 2or 3 ladies were around and we were marry making and another ISG member came in lodge by now and we both were introduced to each other and he was Brain66 I think if I am reproducing his handle correctly and he was coming from Seoul and it was his third or fourth trip here at lodge so he was familiar with things and was at ease from beginning.
I had three ladies around me and he also had one so we all were having good time and danced and played and finally at time of closure of bar I bar fined a girl who to me was 6 but she was more GF but her draw back was that she could speak very little English but any way I still decided to go with her back in my room as I hate to sleep alone and does not matter whether I have sex or no but I need a companion lady to be with me while I am in bed.
Giotto while spending time with me at different hours of the day kept on saying that he would be excited to see me with the girl next day I will be having breakfast.
After showers she did me a good massage not good to the standard of typical massage girls but good to the standard of any normal girl and as it was a hectic day all along including my previous two sleep less nights as I mentioned earlier went to sleep soon and got up next day around 11:00 in afternoon and went for breakfast down with my girl.
From now on I will not be giving day to day report rather will start writing about different topics separately as till now I wanted u to read the actual state of mind while I landed here and after spending 24 hrs now coming to normal now I would start focusing on things separately with more clarity so right now in my mind different topics are knocking like details about Lodge and questions of a first timer coming here and there answers. Time one spends with girls their thinking and lifestyle and how do they enjoy life. Few observations about Bangkok. Shopping activities and shopping centers etc.
Take care.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Me and Giotto were both drinking like any thing and both were becoming bit drunk and now in the late hours of night music was becoming more energetic and dancing and all bar girls were dancing and bar was full of customers and by this time I felt another change in me that now I started developing some liking in different girls loll may be because by now bear and wine goggles were on and many girl was looking sexy and hot and I also offered lady drinks to a few and soon 2or 3 ladies were around and we were marry making and another ISG member came in lodge by now and we both were introduced to each other and he was Brain66 I think if I am reproducing his handle correctly and he was coming from Seoul and it was his third or fourth trip here at lodge so he was familiar with things and was at ease from beginning.
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From now on I will not be giving day to day report rather will start writing about different topics separately as till now I wanted u to read the actual state of mind while I landed here and after spending 24 hrs now coming to normal now I would start focusing on things separately with more clarity so right now in my mind different topics are knocking like details about Lodge and questions of a first timer coming here and there answers. Time one spends with girls their thinking and lifestyle and how do they enjoy life. Few observations about Bangkok. Shopping activities and shopping centers etc.
Take care.
High travellar22,
nice to read your reports.
it was actually only my second stay in the lodge. It was nice to meet you there.
Looking forward to read more of your adventures. I was so busy with my extremely nice girl that I missed some of your stories.
Please don't shorten anything. I want to read all what I missed.
regards
Brain666
Traveler1234
05-16-07, 17:42
And I hope for some freebies!
There is no such thing at Livingstone's - even Mr. G has to pay ;)
And what's up with your post re pattaya...what caused you to rant and rave like that?
ArchieLeach
05-16-07, 19:20
Giotto,
Are you guys OK?
Or did you think it was some dodgy seafood in your stomach? Or maybe you thought you had too much to drink.
:)
ArchieLeach
05-16-07, 19:31
Trav22,
Thank you for your reports. I am enjoying them and looking forward to your adventures.
You are scouting for me since I am coming in Oct.
Archie
There is no such thing at Livingstone's - even Mr. G has to pay ;)
And what's up with your post re pattaya...what caused you to rant and rave like that?
That's just fucked, everywhere has freebies if you know the right people. If the owner can't even get them, then the world has stopped turning.
Why rant and rave? Ask Sid, he'll tell you!
Look, I think Thailand and Pattaya are complete paradises for any man. No matter how fat, ugly, bald, smelly, sexually disfunctional you are, you are in fact the 21 year old mate you knew who could pull any bird and not only show her a good time, but get your rocks off. A hedonistic paradise.
But, I am a twat. Maybe I spent to many years on the right side of the law, but I fucken hate injustice. Thailand seems full of it. I don't like confrontation any more than the next man. I didn't get to 43 years old in two police forces and one prison service without realising that there is seldom a winner, and the older you get, the less likely you are to be a winner. However, on other forums I have read threads about what you would do if say a Thai man twatted you, or you had an arguement with a motorcycle wanker or Bhatbus driver. If the cunts are in the wrong, and have a go, and you fight back, you're fucked. In most western countries, there's always some do gooder twat ready to help the unfortunate picked on foreigner, and the police certainally don't differentiate. OK, many people have their Thai experience trouble free, and gat ripped off perhaps, but accept it as part of life. I don't, and that's just me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a whinger, but I am heavily involved in the union movement and do my best to fix injustices. I just can't sit back and watch shit happen.
As I read about scams in Pattaya and how the farang has no chance, I wonder why people want to live there, especially with the fucked infrastructure and obvious legislation against farangs. These things tick over in my mind until I suddenly have a desire to find out why people put up with it. It must be a kind of fuse in my head.
That's why I ranted. I'm an unstable, but so far mentally sane opinionated arsehole who takes fits and writes shite.
I forgot- also an alcoholic- Sid!
Just a quick note to say I dropped into the lodge the other night for a few drinks with a buddie of mine and to check out the Champagne Night.
I've have to say Giotto, your ladies were stunning.
So many of them had obviously taken a lot of time and trouble to look their absolute best for the evening.
The combination of well groomed hair, stunning make-up, and sexy dresses made for some very tasty packages indeed.
Well done Giotto and Livingstones!
Just had to drop in this note.
Myself and a buddy of mine stopped into the lodge the other night to check out the Champagne Night.
All I can say is WOW!
The ladies looked sensational.
It's really nice to see the obvious effort they all went to, to present an excellent image to their customers.
Everything about them, their hair, their make-up, and of course, their dresses had us wondering why we didn't stop in more often. Will be doing so in the future.
Well done Giotto and your team.
BKKLUVA
ArchieLeach
05-18-07, 03:16
Did you guys just have an earthquake there yesterday? I saw something on the news.
Just had to drop in this note.
Myself and a buddy of mine stopped into the lodge the other night to check out the Champagne Night.
All I can say is WOW!
The ladies looked sensational.
It's really nice to see the obvious effort they all went to, to present an excellent image to their customers.
Everything about them, their hair, their make-up, and of course, their dresses had us wondering why we didn't stop in more often. Will be doing so in the future.
Well done Giotto and your team.
BKKLUVASorry. Goofed off. Wrote first report and didn't see it go through.
Then wrote another. Newbie! ?
Anyways. Well done livingstones.
...Are you guys OK?
Or did you think it was some dodgy seafood in your stomach? Or maybe you thought you had too much to drink.
ArchieLeach,
Everything is fine here - I did not even notice the earthquake. But I heard about people in high rising buildings felt the movements...
Bangkok is really not located in a dangerous zone - the epicenter of this quake was in Laos.
Giotto
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Mamasaan immediately came to know about whom I was mentioning and while we were having dinner she came to her and was asking leave and we came to know that she is going on long leave and I think she was bar fined for whole week as she never turned up later except the day I was leaving I saw her again in Lodge and my bad luck as I really wanted that girl to be with me but I missed her during my all trip.
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Travellar22,
Thanks for your great reports, already two of them. And - not much I can add (damned Bestard, unveilling my secrets here ;) ). This are Reports of Distinction, for sure.
BTW: The girl, you missed, was Ms. Nympho. Some reports written about her already here in the thread.
Regarding my wives outside of Thailand - LOL. As you know I am an old man. I try to do my best for those here in Thailand, that's enough for me :) .
Hope to see you again soon.
Giotto
Yesterday, suddenly and unexpectedly, one phase of our power supply broke down...and our water pumps need all 3 phases. A breaker at the road exploded...
The electricity company was able to fix that within 2 hours - not bad for Bangkok.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Travellar22
05-19-07, 12:15
As mentioned in my last report from now on I will be taking on different topics which I think necessary to share with readers. So let me start with the Livingstone’s Lodge first.
Being a medical doctor I keep on getting opportunities to travel and attend medical conferences in various countries and hence get the privilege of staying in some good hotels around the world and after work hours I like to go out and enjoy myself in bars and discos and if I find some one really up to my taste only then I bring her back to my hotel room and some hotels are GF and some not though I always like to RTFF before I go to some new place and like to book myself in hotel of my choice but still I really feel awkward with the walk of shame in lobby and especially if it is a long one and I never feel comfortable till I am back in room with girl and it take some time to get normal after such walk and when in particular some hotel staff observed u or some of hotel guests look towards you in lobby giving scary looks.
Here in Livingstone’s before coming I had certain fears in my mind like whether this place will be as comfortable as a good five star hotel? How will I be treated there being a Pakistani Muslim citizen and will I have to undergo some sort of racial discrimination and how will girls and staff behave with me when they will come to know that a person from a fundamentalist and terrorist country that’s what medial describes us is here.
I was not sure regarding location and its access to various parts of city as personally I don’t want to live in some very congested area of traffic jam or with polluted environment of a vehicle smoke and nor I want to live very far from main activity areas of city.
With all these fears and questions I landed in this Lodge and to cut story short I wrote as earlier that I found this place just like a home away from home minus the restrictions of a home as you are at liberty to do all those things here which you cant think of doing because of morality or for fear of your wife or kids and You are a completely free citizen as to me in ones home one is always a captive to traditions morality and culture and is refrained from doing many activities which he wants to do but is not able to do.
No walk of shame no racial or any sort of discrimination very centrally located conveniently accessible from BTS and easily approachable from all activity areas of city etc but still this place is not a hotel as at times I have read in forum that people say its like a four star hotel I think it’s a mix of a hotel home and a lodge.
Things comparing this place to a hotel are that your room and washrooms with Jacuzzi are made up in no time and at any time you wish. It has a nice restaurant and a pub and a bar.
Quality of beds sheets and towels and standard of cleanliness is comparable to any good four or five star hotel.
Being a lodge it is built or I would like to say renovated in a particular African theme and its structures are stony and rough like drive way or walk way which is bit uncomfortable when you tow your suitcase with wheels on it. It has no lift so if any one has pain in joints will have to bear it while going up and down so beware oldies.
Pool is very nicely maintained with clean and fresh water.
Now coming towards its resemblance with home.
Home is a place where every one is known to each other so is here staff in particular and attitude of Giotto his two wives and Guido the manager makes you think that you are a house member and this is found very rarely in a commercial place though here too u have to pay for each single thing and nothing is free except smile loll.
Biggest resemblance with home is that on holiday at what ever time you get up you can have breakfast and no specified time for this which in hotels etc you cant have.
As in a home usually there is one news paper and every member waits for his turn to read it so is here loll. Though Giotto thinks that here guests staying are not here with a purpose to read paper. I am of the opinion that there should be a small reading corner with some magazines and papers as when one is on holidays even one likes to go through papers and magazines.
The place has no gym so if you are an exercise freak then you have to depend only on the exercise you do with girls in your room or what ever you can do in pool if you know swimming or if at all you are addicted to do some exercise in gym then you should go to Novotel Lotus.
No alternate arrangement of power failure and if power goes so does the water too.
Restaurant serves good quality food but to me the menu is bit restricted and you can get a few western meals or Thai menu but no Indian or Chinese dishes are served. I think some more dishes in restaurant can be added to make the menu more acceptable like more grilled food dishes and more sea food variety.
To avoid mosquitoes or flies in restaurant some extra measures are to be adopted so that if one is in shorts and t shirt can eat with more comfort.
Before coming here I had in mind that I am going to a place where beautiful lovely girls and female staff will be serving you or making your rooms up and guests will be lured by their lovely attitude and will be running after them to come and sleep and for that one will have to pay extra bar fine but here yes only two very beautiful Mrs. Giotto are here who are not bar finable of course and rest of female staff who works at reception or in lodge are self explanatory loll.
In hotels at least at reception desks girls are quite attractive and beautiful and I have seen beautiful girls working in room service or housekeeping in various hotels I fail to understand the contrast here.
No bathroom slippers are provided here so you have to bring your own.
No yellow pages directory is in rooms so you can’t go through numbers of escort agencies or massage parlors or independent escorts so before coming here bring numbers with you.
Kitchen is closed after 12:00 midnight and in case if you get hungry after that then eat air as unlike hotels there is no midnight menu facility in the lodge or you have to knock Giotto’s room may be has some snacks to eat in his room loll though I did not dare to do that by thinking that poor man has to work with two wives and may be he will be dead tired out and he will throw me out of lodge by seeing me in this hour of night loll.
If you bring your own bottle of whisky or any liquor you have to pay 300 Baht surcharge if you want it to be served as I brought one black label back with me from a place which I will mention in another report and when restaurant staff saw that bottle in my hand they asked for surcharge to be paid but I instead of paying surcharge gifted it to staff back and asked them to have party as I was already quite drunk and did not need any more to drink.
Despite all above which I have mentioned by no means I intend to give any negative marking to this place as while you are staying here these carry no importance as you are so much involved in various other activities that you don’t bother such matters to intervene in your enjoyment. That’s why this place is having a roaring business even in this slow season as its bar remains full where as other bars in area have slowed down and girls working in other bars have wish to work here as here are more customers and rooms were all booked and there was a thought which kept on coming in my mind that may be as this time I was asking taxi drivers to take me soi 33 near Novotel Lotus may be next time when I come I will have to give landmark contrary and should ask the taxi to take me to Livingston’s itself to reach Lotus loll.
I was also visualizing another scenario that a time may come that Mr. Giotto earns that much from here and gets Novotel Lotus too and we will have more rooms and more big space then.
Now in the end I will like to make a comment on a usual debate going in forum that is this place worth to stay with girl friend or family or no.
To me what I observed that any one can stay with family or girl friend here as I did not observe any single incidence objectionable here as there was no nudity apparent any where and place is similar like other hotels which have bars or discos inside and where customers pick working girls and its their personal matter what they do in rooms so to me no one should have any objection.
So I will like to finish my narration about lodge here by saying that in future when ever I will come to Bangkok with my girl friend or family or alone my first preference will be this house as I will love to spend time with Mr. and Mrs. Giottos and though by that time he has three or more Mrs.
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Travellar22
05-20-07, 13:31
Ok folks till now I have written about details of my first day the details of lodge itself and what u can find in it and what u cant comparing to a hotel now coming to the topic of girls.
The idea which I had in my mind before coming here remained unfulfilled as I could not find a stunner girlfriend which I could rate as 9 or 10 and had to stick with 6 or 7 and still am thinking for the ways and means of getting a 9 or 10 who is as well girl friendly too and then taking her to a far fetched island and remain with her for at least 10 days.
On day 1 as Giotto told me about locations where I may find out my choice plus dos and don’ts with working girls and precautions against the diseases they carry and he did not stress more as knowingly me as a doctor and then onwards after getting a tutors advice leaving me on my own for further course of action.
In the evening finally after wearing bear or wine goggles I stucked to a girl who could not speak English so had to restrict to only language of signs and hugs and by that time Brain 666 also arrived and had taken Miss J who is being discussed in main forum and discussion for and against her is going on.
Now coming to myself when I take a working girl out with me in back of mind I am always uncomfortable because I know inside that this girl after sleeping with innumerable customers is today with me and I will try to extract a girl friend experience from her and in return I will pay some bucks either upfront or after that’s a separate discussion even if I fail to get what I want from her.
Now from a girl friend what I expect is that she will love me kiss me hug me and will treat me special and from a girl who is there with you for one night usually it is not possible to extract all this out from her unless you are able to develop some extra ordinary relation with her in such a short time which I think I am not capable of doing so.
For all these reasons I don’t find myself motivated to do sex with working girls as to me unless your dick experiences a real love juice from girls pussy and to have sex with a rubber condom on your dick is just like to trying to taste a sweet thing with cover on your tongue.
Now don’t take it as if I am saying that we should go for bareback sex with working girls as I will never put myself in such a situation at any cost but purpose of telling all this is that mentally as I am not ready to enjoy sex with a working girl so would like to confine myself with foreplay and masturbation or blow jobs etc.
Now many of you will think that if I am not interested in sex then why the hell I like to go for girls and that too of 9 or 10 standard well if the girl is extra ordinary beautiful then definitely I will do sex with rubber on plus there is a charm in every woman in her naked body and woman with clothes on is different from when clothes off.
After one complete day Brain666 and me met in bar in evening and he asked me about my score which I replied in negative and he felt disturbed by hearing my reply and gave me certain advices and asked me to report back next day which I said Yes sir.
Now for next night I bar fined same girl again as to me she was more sophisticated beautiful and bit delicate sort of comparing to rest of lot. She was happy too with me as during first night I just slept with her by hugging her tight and did not bother her to do sex so according to her now I was a good customer and was not a sex freak who has just come here to bang the pussy twice or thrice in a night.
I was again a premiere client for her as I gave 3000 baht without asking her any discount and without checking her pussy just for her companionship so she was happy to be back and now I learnt that she was a side liner and was not a regular bar girl and comes to bar as and when she require to work on her own. Now later I come to know the rule of bar that whenever a girl is bar fined next evening she has to work in bar so that bar management is sure that either she is going back with same customer or not going with any one or with some new client. In this way management keeps the track of that girl.
Now coming to bar again tonight was compulsory for her job and while in bar she was attached to me while playing pool and was enjoying lady drinks. Now as today was the second day in bar now I was getting acquainted with other girls as well and especially with friends of my girl as these bar girls do have friendships and group forming in between them and they market their friends to other customers in a very clever way.
Tonight was the famous swimming pool party too and bikini cat walk was being done by bar girls along pool side and customers at restaurant and bar war enjoying the Guido show as he was holding the mike and commenting on cat walk as if it was a Hollywood award ceremony or some miss world contest was going on loll.
After catwalk the usual bar scene was going on and at late hour’s bar girls dance and have good time with music irrespective to the number of customers whether more or less.
So around 1:00 midnight I went back to my room with my girl after signing the bill and after getting massage (girl walking on my legs) as being a high cholesterol patient I take some lipid lowering medicine and one of its side effect is that muscles become painful after walking or standing for long so I always feel like to sooth them by pressing by someone before sleep. She also felt the hardness in my leg muscles and as well as on penis so she asked u wan sec? I replied that yes if u want. Now she said u big and me small. That was all what she could speak. Rest what ever I used to ask her she just said I dun no me little English.
I still felt that she is really not in mood to have sex as she was not looking that wet and hot so I did not insist and while hugging and kissing we slept later again.
Now when we woke up in morning and went for breakfast and came back and despite we did not have sex we still were very friendly smiling and enjoying and there was no hard feeling at all between us from any side so things were pretty normal.
Now finally in afternoon she asked why no sec? I replied u too small I too big she laughed said if u wan sec I said I dun no.
So like this conversation we kept on enjoying and then I asked her to go back as I wanted to go out today and said we will see each other in evening. She was becoming suspicious as in her mind she might be thinking that may be he will not bar fine her tonight so before going she asked me you dun like me? I replied no sweet heart that’s not the case then she asked then why no sec? You no sec me. I replied that I don’t do sec so don’t worry be happy no hard work.
So again 3000 baht given and departure was in happy mood and now in the evening again I had to report to my boss Brain666 as he was back in bar after all day enjoyment with the girl Jeng and was extremely satisfied and was having lifetime enjoyment as his girl was a multi orgasmic . When I saw them both so happy I offered them to come with me to restaurant and have dinner I will be the host so off we went. Now when they both again learnt that I had again a sex less night they both became perturbed as was evident from their faces and advised me to change the girl as may be she is fooling me.
While we were having this discussion and having dinner my girl also appeared on scene as she was looking after me first she went to bar and when she did not fine me there she came in restaurant while looking for me and when she saw me had a sigh of relief and I obviously offered her seat and dinner as well which she accepted happily.
Now we four had dinner and we were enjoying as I was telling the girl of Brain666 that no hard work me too big she too small and then a big laughter from all four and in this way dinner finished and we went to bar again and now private discussion between me and Brain666 kept on going as he was pushing me to go for change and I said how to change? How to say her no? This discussion here has come into focus many times that how to be a butterfly? This is a big problem to say no to a girl with whom you are tagged in bar for two nights now.
In the mean while I was having pool games and girls were enjoying time with me as three or four of them were having lady drinks on my account and playing pool and now this lighter discussion was opened with her friends too that no hard work me too big and she too small rather we were having this joke since last night and all her friends knew by this time that he is a nice guy he bar fines and just sleep with girl so I was labeled as a good man with sweet mouth and girls expressed shyness on hearing joke of me too big she too small and no hard work just sleep. They used to blush more when I used to ask them are u big or small?
This was the atmosphere going in bar when finally I decided to act upon the advice of Brain666 and interestingly his girl helped me in introducing to her another friend and in changing the girl and giving me the courage to go ahead by saying that there is nothing wrong in changing as I am a customer and she is a working bar girl so she has no right to object well how mechanical I must say.
I really felt so bad when I was seeing from corners of my eyes to my previous girl as she was observing when I was getting so frank and close to the other girl whom I was intending to bar fine tonight as obviously body language starts changing when girl thinks that she might be bar fined tonight so more closeness feeling is given.
Now as the night goes on and final time is approaching my previous girl though she was sitting at my table and was having lady drinks sensed that I will change the girl tonight she called me and asked me why I am not taking her tonight and why I am changing the girl I smilingly replied her look we friends u know I don’t do hard work just sleep so don’t worry I will not have sec with her too. This was the way I pacified her and there was a clear dismay on her face and off she went and till now I did not mention the new girl that I will bar fine her and time comes when bar closes and this new girl was really surprised when she knew that I want to bar fine her as this was a news to her as I initially did not mention this nor I asked her earlier if she was willing to be bar fined.
I thought that this was understood when I am getting so close to a girl while in bar she should have understood that I will be bar fining her.
Finally confusion was overcome and I was wished good luck by Brain666 and his girl and bar fine was paid and I went with a new girl in room but inside I was not happy as I thought that my previous girl was sad because of all this and I have not done good to her.
Now in next report details of this second girl will be given so I beg leave and enjoy the report here till now.
Just had to drop in this note.
Myself and a buddy of mine stopped into the lodge the other night to check out the Champagne Night.
All I can say is WOW!
The ladies looked sensational.
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Well done Giotto and your team.
...Bkkluva,
Thanks!
Yes, the Champagne night is somehow special, and again we had a good party going. I also like the girls dressed in cocktail dresses, this has style ... :) .
Will tell all the team about your positive report, thanks again.
Giotto
Travellar22,
Thank you for your outstanding and comprehensive report about Livingstone's. Well done. We will cut it into pieces and add some information/explanations.
...So let me start with the Livingstone’s Lodge first.
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No walk of shame no racial or any sort of discrimination very centrally located conveniently accessible from BTS and easily approachable from all activity areas of city etc but still this place is not a hotel as at times I have read in forum that people say its like a four star hotel I think it’s a mix of a hotel home and a lodge.
Things comparing this place to a hotel are that your room and washrooms with Jacuzzi are made up in no time and at any time you wish. It has a nice restaurant and a pub and a bar.
Quality of beds sheets and towels and standard of cleanliness is comparable to any good four or five star hotel.Not really worth to mention, racial discrimination, should be out of any discussion, wherever you stay.
...Pool is very nicely maintained with clean and fresh water.But everybody should know: This is a hot country, and especially when the rain comes we need to put a cocktail of substances into the pool water to keep it clean and fresh.
Now coming towards its resemblance with home.
Home is a place where every one is known to each other so is here staff in particular and attitude of Giotto ...and Guido the manager makes you think that you are a house member and this is found very rarely in a commercial place though here too u have to pay for each single thing and nothing is free except smile loll.
Biggest resemblance with home is that on holiday at what ever time you get up you can have breakfast and no specified time for this which in hotels etc you cant have.This is basically what we want. And this should be the startegy of all boutique hotels to distiungish themselves from the huge 4/5 star hotels. We want to know our customers, want to know their preferences and make their stay in Bankgkok as easy as possible.
As in a home usually there is one news paper and every member waits for his turn to read it so is here loll. Though Giotto thinks that here guests staying are not here with a purpose to read paper. I am of the opinion that there should be a small reading corner with some magazines and papers as when one is on holidays even one likes to go through papers and magazines.Thank you for the advice, noted! We already ordered more newspapers, Bangkok Post and The Nation, that we have enough for all customers. A reading corner with more magazines, maps, tourist information about Bangkok - certainly something we need here at Livingstone's.
The place has no gym so if you are an exercise freak then you have to depend only on the exercise you do with girls in your room or what ever you can do in pool if you know swimming or if at all you are addicted to do some exercise in gym then you should go to Novotel Lotus.Correct, no gym. We simply had no space for that up to now. But there are some plans :) ...
No alternate arrangement of power failure and if power goes so does the water too. Correct, a huge problem. An emergency backup generator was quoted - and it is definitely much too expensive. Within the last two years we had several minor power failures of a few minutes, and 3 longer ones. One time 5 hours, that was the worst case up to now. Water: We have an emergency system to use the water pressure from the city water lines to keep up basic water supply in the rooms. That should be sufficient, not good but ok.
Restaurant serves good quality food but to me the menu is bit restricted and you can get a few western meals or Thai menu but no Indian or Chinese dishes are served. I think some more dishes in restaurant can be added to make the menu more acceptable like more grilled food dishes and more sea food variety.Correct, no Indian dishes on our menu, some Chinese in the Thai menu. We have no plans to change that in the moment.
In hotels at least at reception desks girls are quite attractive and beautiful and I have seen beautiful girls working in room service or housekeeping in various hotels I fail to understand the contrast here.LOL. The beautiful Thai women can make much more money in different kinds of jobs.
No bathroom slippers are provided here so you have to bring your own.Hmm...we will think about it. We have this giant quotation for hotel amenities right here on the table.
No yellow pages directory is in rooms so you can’t go through numbers of escort agencies or massage parlors or independent escorts so before coming here bring numbers with you.We have one at the front desk.
Kitchen is closed after 12:00 midnight and in case if you get hungry after that then eat air as unlike hotels there is no midnight menu facility in the lodge or you have to knock Giotto’s room ...You can try to knock on Giotto's room, but he isn't a cook. We have no plans in the moment for a night shift in the kitchen, the demand is too low.
If you bring your own bottle of whisky or any liquor you have to pay 300 Baht surcharge if you want it to be served as I brought one black label back with me from a place which I will mention in another report and when restaurant staff saw that bottle in my hand they asked for surcharge to be paid but I instead of paying surcharge gifted it to staff back and asked them to have party as I was already quite drunk and did not need any more to drink.We don't think we are so different from other hotels/restaurant in this case. If you have your own drinks in your room - ok! But please, in the restaurant and bar we want to make some business.
Despite all above which I have mentioned by no means I intend to give any negative marking to this place as while you are staying here these carry no importance as you are so much involved in various other activities that you don’t bother such matters to intervene in your enjoyment. We don't understand your report in a negative way either. We can only learn from reasonable criticism - thank you for that.
So I will like to finish my narration about lodge here by saying that in future when ever I will come to Bangkok with my girl friend or family or alone my first preference will be this house...Travellar22,
you know that we are waiting for you to come back. Thanks again for this great report. BTW: We linked the report the the Report of Distinction section.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Travellar22
05-21-07, 09:51
Let me give you a brief description of this girl she is taller than usual girls in bar and looks a mix of Thai and Chinese smiling mostly and shouting and jumping while playing pool and plus point was that she can speak better English than other girls so while taking her I thought its time to come out of language of signs and hugs and shift to a better understandable spoken medium.
While in room now conversation starts and she asked me where I am from and so like other routine questions and then she asks me the reason I was so disturbed while I was thinking of changing girl in bar. I replied back the reason and she then made me understand that it’s a normal routine and customers should not get upset while changing girls as this is normal routine and part and nature of job and girls understand that customers need variety and that’s why they are here and people are not here for emotional attachments. Now she started talking about herself that she is a part time worker and spends a very busy life and is up for work at 7 in morning I asked her the nature of job she does in morning she replied that she works in some saloon and also work for an insurance company and sells life insurance and then in evening she studies and is completing some marketing degree. She said she has no boy friend as she has no time in life for a boy friend. I told her that I saw her doing a cat walk in bikini last night at pool party and she was looking good in her sea green swim suit. She got happy to hear this and then she asked permission for shower for which of course I had no objection but I asked her to let me kiss on her boobs before going for shower for which she showed reluctance and said that perhaps I would not like her boobs and nipples to which I replied no don’t worry I will like them. After some dilly delaying she said that as I did not tell her in advance before bar fining otherwise she tells every customer before hand regarding problem with her breasts and if customer says no problem only then she agrees to be bar fined. I again asked her what is the problem let me have a look as I am myself a medical doctor and may be I can advise something . She could not believe that she is with a doctor and she insisted me to show her my card indicating that I am a doctor which I did so finally the boobs came out in light in front of me and I was astonished to see that she was undergoing a plastic reconstructive surgery and surgeon has done a real pathetic job on her nipples and he has reconstructed them in a real ugly shape and believe me the moment I saw them got turned off and immediately went to my stance when I don’t like a woman that I don’t do sex and have just brought her for company so she got happy to hear this and told me the reason for her surgery and her plans of raising children in life to come and she is preparing herself for them. Now she went for shower and came back and told me her activities in university etc and a phone call came in mean while to which she took quite long. This phone call was from some boss who was akin her to get ready for some work and regarding set up of some office or establishment and to interview staff and girls . After hearing all the conversation to which I some how understood that she is planning to set up may be some massage parlor or some escort agency and she will be the future mamasen in that establishment. Her boss is some farang and she will work in partnership. This information I got from her with lot of effort as she was not willing to give out her secrets before time as she was afraid of losing her this job. She told me that girls in bar have desires that they get some farang husband or boy friend and then open another Livingstone’s LOL so watch out Giotto.
While getting all this information now I felt asleep so I said good night and in the morning around 7 she got ready and begged leave and told me that tonight I can go for another girl without getting upset and she has no confirmed plans of coming to bar and if at all she will come it will be quite late. I thanked her for her time and asked her how much I need to pay her to which she replied 3000 and I simply just slipped 2000 baht in her purse and she went happily and I again slept while thinking that when I knew before hand that Thai working girls are not that beautiful and not to my standard and girls in Dubai from CIS are more attractive then why I have come here and wasting money for nothing on 5 or 6 standard girls. I slept while pacifying myself that look they are more smiling friendlier more GFE and so on. In next report will write about my experiences with other girls and nights as till now only three nights are complete and I was there for 8 nights so I hope you will like to listen other stories as well.
@Travellar22
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Your butterflying dilemma at the Sports Bar was not unlike my own when I was there last July/August. Here's how I handled it.
Post describing the situation:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=491363#post491363
Post describing how I handled it:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=497928#post497928
I don't know if my methods are to your tastes or if you prefer a more direct solution, but this worked for me and I was happy with the outcome.
Cheers,
Fox Two
PassinThrough
05-22-07, 03:19
I am finally going to be in Bangkok and staying at the lodge during one of the parties. I am looking forward to the Swimming Pool Party on Saturday night. I may even have to bring my suit :-)
PIT
M P Lurker
05-22-07, 10:57
And I hope for some freebies!
Thai people always want to know what freebies come in addition to the main thing they are buying. Sometimes the freebies seem to be more important than the original purchase.
I guess non-Thais are into freebies as well.
The current Lodge promotions seem to go to end of October.
So I'm sure that I'll be able to take advantage of those.
In the end "freebies" come by magic to those that deserve them, but I wish I was so hansome and spunky as to get them all the time without deserving them.
Unfortunately "You hansome man" doesn't usually come with a freebie; quite the opposite :-)
Travellar22
05-22-07, 11:40
Now after getting up in afternoon and breakfast I went for shopping out and came back in evening and while I was in sky train on my way back I was thinking of Brain666 as I had to report him regarding my new venture which again was a failure though he and his girl helped me out in changing the girl and getting labeled as a butterfly but all in vain.
After coming back and getting fresh I went back in sports bar at around 7:30 and played pool with girls and in my mind I was thinking of taking my previous girl back again with whom I spent two nights earlier but to my surprise she did not come that day so I had to search my new companion. I was cursing my luck that the girl which I liked on day 1 which Giotto has described as Miss Nympho was not available even on 4th day and I learned from girls in bar that she has gone to her home town and I told my story of dismay and dejection to Brain666 and his girl with whom he was having excellent time and plus he was flirting with another girl whom he has mentioned in his report as he was being given resemblance to her husband and she was hugging and kissing him and sat in her lap and Miss J was getting jealous of course . Now Brain666 and his J also got worried after hearing my report and may be in their mind they might be thinking of presenting me a few Viagra tabs. Now in bar I was telling girls that me no hard work at all and me too big and girls too small to which they were enjoying.
While playing pool a girl introduced herself as Miss K. She is quite healthy comparing to other bar girls and tall as well and fair in color and features are mixed and some Russian tinge is also present as she is stocky built and she introduced me another girl as well Miss N who was alone tonight as for previous night I saw her with an Indian customer who left today so I asked her if she is missing him to which she replied in negative and said that he was not her boy friend and was just a customer. Whereas I myself observed her getting very nice with that guy last night. Any way this was what girls think after leaving the previous client. I asked Miss K that tonight I want to go out and eat out somewhere else so suggest me some place. She suggested me a few places and I asked her to accompany me if we decide to go out for dinner. Miss N also seemed interested in this suggestion so I decided to bar fine both and we decided to go to hard rock café and hired a meter taxi and went out by sitting all three in back seat and miss N in middle as she is small little cute girl and have some innocent looks as well and I was enjoying her touch as she was sitting besides me. At hard rock café we had a lovely dinner with a bottle of wine and listened to lovely live band and saw people dancing even on food tables.
In hard rock café there is always mix of girls as some of them are working free bees and some are not and its really difficult to point the one out so I will never go there alone for purpose of picking a girl as it’s a big hit and miss.
During dinner while having conversation with miss K and miss N came to know that miss K is very happy tonight as her boy friend is coming tomorrow which later on I came to know was some farang. So tonight she was excited and wanted to be happy and drunk and was feeling good that she got this opportunity to go out with me and enjoy night out of Bar. After dinner we decided to go to CM2 disco in novotel hotel which is on walking distance from hard rock café but as it was raining so we had to hire a taxi and he asked 100 baht for 100 meter ride and I paid of course.
Now in CM2 it was a packed night and I paid 650 baht cover charge for each with two complimentary drinks. There we danced madly and drank a lot. Miss N was getting a lot of attention as by Thai standards of working girls she is sexy and attractive and I was feeling proud that I am surrounded by two my own girls who both were prettier in the lot there and with a belief that these are mine girls for tonight with all rights reserved LOL.
Miss K had earlier been to all these places may be with some customer or her farang boy friend but Miss N was having her first experience out at both these places so she was bit stunned to see this part of Bangkok and world and was enjoying more than Miss K.
I was having a feeling that I have taken a small kid to the zoo for first time and was enjoying her excitement. In CM2 a live band with the name of STAR band plays music and has two girls one Russian a bit older and one a real lovely standard 9 Thai girl who sings well and dance well and I was stunned to see this beauty and thought I wish I could be this sort of beauty but alas. While I was lost in this Thai beauty and was dancing upfront near stage and our drinks were lying on a table a few meters away as we were dancing right front of stage so had to walk a few step away to have a sip and then come back. I was also a little drunk by now as had drinks in sports bar then had bottle of wine at hard rock and here were having vodka.
Now I suddenly noticed that Miss N was away for quite some time and she did not get back and I asked Miss K regarding where about of miss N to which she replied that may be she has gone to wash room as I saw Miss N telling some thing in ear of Miss K before leaving. I waited for a few minutes but I was not satisfied with the answer of Miss K so my eyes kept on searching Miss N in darkness of CM2 and in one corner I found her and was totally stunned as she was dancing with another guy and was kissing and hugging her.
I could never think of this traitor ship as imagine in bar I had spent four or five lady drinks each on them then bar fining both then in hard rock dinner and wine and now here after entry charges and complimentary drinks now we were on vodka and in this till now I had spent almost 12000 baht on both these girls and the result was disgusting that my girl was dancing and kissing some other guy in another corner.
Any how I thought that I don’t own these girls and they have every right to do what ever they want and I kept on dancing with Miss K by thinking that may be Miss N will go out with her newly found customer but again to the contrary she was back and did not go with that guy. This happened may be because she would have thought that as I bar fined her and may be this will cost her job in bar if a complaint is made so she got back.
I asked her where she was. She replied she went to wash room I told her that what I saw and also had shown to Miss K when she was dancing and kissing to a much older guy in a corner. She got embarrassed as she knew that she had been caught red handed. Any way after close of disco we were back to Lodge and I asked miss N to spend night with me and we bid good bye to Miss K and wished her good luck for her farang boyfriend who is supposedly a German. Watch out Giotto .loll
Now back in my room with miss N and I was making her embarrassed again and again that why did she get in touch with a customer when she was with me and she was saying sorry again and again how ever I told her that I did not mind as I know it’s a part of game as we are customers and with working girls and not with girl friends. She took shower and so did I and she asked if I was interested in sex I said that as long as I am a customer and not her friend I will not be interested in sex. Now that was really difficult for her to prove that I was not her customer and now a friend. In this way while talking and making jokes and she was doing her duty of doing massage to me we slept and we made plans for next day and I told her that we will again together go to CM2 again and now there I will also hunt for a beautiful girl and she will also bet at liberty to find a rich Arabic sheikh there and if I will find some she will go and talk to her and will convince her to go with me and she can go with her customer and she agreed to my proposal.
Though she made a few gestures that she does not like this idea and I should stick to her and should not find a new girl but I pacified her by saying that look we are friends but on other hand I am a customer too to which she laughed.
Now in next report will mention what happened next night.
ArchieLeach
05-22-07, 19:33
Trav22,
This is like a Soap Opera on TV! LOL
"Tune in next week to find out if our hero will find true love"
"Will he ever get laid?"
"Will he run out of money just as he finds his perfect stunner?"
"Will he get frustrated and run off with Miss Ks German boyfriend instead, shocking us all?"
:)
Trav 22. What the fuck are you playing at? What planet did you come from?
I have read all the reports, hoping at some stage that you would stop paying 3 times the going rate for LT for a woman to sleep by you. You're a doctor for fuck's sake, prescribe yourself some viagra if you can't do the biz, or if S.E. Asian women don't do it for you, go back home or to the Arab states and fuck them, but stop giving *****s in BKK 3 grand for turning up, then boasting about it.
Why are you posting this shite? It is of no use whatsoever. Please, use your balls and a prescription of viagra and actually fuck someone, then post!
PassinThrough
05-22-07, 21:45
Pete, while I agree that it's not a great practice to pay a lot of money, let alone pay a lot of money and not shag, it is his money. Personally, I like the reports. They are like a soap opera but have a good insight into the experiences with the girls outside of the room. Most reports are "I went here and I screwed this girl then I went there and screwed this on in the ass..." While those can be nice I am a fan of variety. If you don't like the reports Travellar is writing just don't read them but there is no reason to attack him.
Travellar22, you seem to be enjoying yourself, glad to hear it and keep doing what makes you happy. I hope you continue to post your experiences.
PIT
Actually PIT, I don't know if this guy is enjoying himself. how can he, with so many days of DSBs?
Trav, please remember you ARE the customer, not the friend. If you were not opening your wallet, NONE of these girls would be at CM2, or Hard Rock, or even sitting with you at the Sports lounge. You paid, now PLAY !!!!
Let's get a report from you where you do bang a few girls, and restore our faith.
I think T-22 is just thinking too much about all of this. He has to have the girls in the lounge totally confused by now. Hell, I am confused after reading his posts.
I agree with 1Ball here, just nail some of these girls and stop thinking about it.
@Travellar22
I enjoy your reports, but I tend to agree with the last four posts. In your pursuit of the perfect experience with your idea of a perfect girl I think you miss out on a lot of good experiences with several not-so-perfect-but-perfectly-willing girls. Come on friend, compromise a little and experiment. Give your girl of the evening a chance to please you. Your self imposed celibacy had its charm in the beginning but seriously friend, I'd much prefer you finally get shagged.
If no girl in the sports bar fits the bill, then I suggest you sit down with Giotto and have a long punter-to-punter talk about your interests and needs. I'm sure he much prefers a happy customer than a frustrated one. Even if you wind up with a girl that's not from his bar, it's still good for repeat business after all.
At any rate, best of luck and don't post again until you get shagged.
Cheers,
Fox Two
@Travellar22
... best of luck and don't post again until you get shagged.
Cheers,
Fox Two
Amen to that !
Magic Moments
05-23-07, 08:29
Dude,
Your reports are nice to read, and offer some insights to what is in the minds of the girls that we guys take on for a few hours, use them and dispose off convenietly.
But as Petemcc and others pointed out, you are not out there on charity. Try to get some good and different experience(now that you are back, it may be a bit late). And donot contribute to inflation. As such the prices have gone high.
Let us have details on your "conquests" too.
Magic M
Get yourself to Eden or find another vacation spot. ;)
Travellar22
05-24-07, 13:24
Interesting comments are going on, some are concerned regarding spending too much without shagging girls and some are getting bored by reading lengthy reports.
I would like to say that it is up to a reader if he does not like reading them simply skip them and move on. I am just writing up my actual experience rather than just concocting up stories and fantasies of shagging girl thrice or more by raising her legs and eating up her pussy and fountains of cum going here and there.
I was there to enjoy the way I wanted and I perfectly enjoyed each and every minute I spent there and I personally don’t bother spending money as I spend because I earn. For shagging alone I have no dearth of girl friends back home with whom I shag the way I want and have no fantasy or desire unfulfilled so don’t worry guys and still I have never considered myself as a subject to use Viagra as have enough in me to go without it though have used it just to experience the difference by using it.
I went out without any of my girl friend because I wanted a break and wanted to spend time alone in new people which I enjoy at times. To be true I did mention in my earlier reports that I never enjoy or fantasize sex with condom and don’t do it with working girls and like to play with them orally and seldom fuck them.
Now coming back to my experiences again as agreed by Miss N that tonight we will again go to CM2 so after spending time in bar and after having great food at Livingstone’s restaurant we straight away headed to CM2 around 11:00 and even tonight some other girls in bar were insisting on me to take them along too and I offered them that I am ready to take them and will pay for their entrance fee and drinks there but if they want to go they should must bar fine themselves and on this they backed off as may be to bar fine themselves was for asking too much and may be they could not afford.
Now today will let you know some details regarding CM2 as well.
It is a disco in the basement of Novotel Hotel at Siam square and is very popular amongst tourists and is packed around midnight with working girls and free lancers who have a mix variety of CIS girls, bar girls or massage parlor girls after finishing work, katoyes and working girls who travel even out side Thailand for sex to Singapore or other countries and when they are back home they work here.
Girls over here over all are quite sharp and cunning and their attitude is just to get money from a customer so many prefer short time and like to come back for next customer or so.
Mostly girls who are regulars they have their own lockers there and they come and get ready at hotel and store their things in lockers.
These girls are totally different from bar girls as they are not interested in lady drinks as here they don’t make commission on drinking. Each girl knows her worth very well and the stunner knows that she is the most sought after commodity so she does not bother to chase men rather men chase her and here choice lies with the girl and they keep on saying no in order to get maximum price for their beauty. Its very rare that men to female ratio falls down and there are always enough males around so beautiful girls are never worried or in haste. Where as ordinary looking girls are different they chase men and look for work and get worried if they don’t get work by late hours.
CIS girls are quality wise very low comparing them with CIS girls in Dubai etc but still a few are stunners too.
Only the real big problem which I observed was that due to poor lighting and darkness it’s difficult to find the target and because of katoyes it becomes more confusing as well.
Best way to over come all this is to stand like a lame duck in a corner which has better lighting near pool tables and this corner is near wash rooms and lockers of girls so you can easily watch girls entering in disco or going to and from wash room or while using lockers. It is boring and takes time as well where as the crowd of girl is sitting in darkness and in disco lights and they prefer it because it’s difficult to see them and they are successful in hiding what they want to hide before getting picked up as they know their weaknesses. Stunner will roam freely in light and darkness both so that she can be noticed and get a max price. I was with Miss N here today with a agreement that if I find some stunner I will pick her and she will have no objection but inside I knew she despite being a working girl did not like this arrangement and though tonight I gave her liberty to find a customer for herself too but she did not try and kept observing me roaming here and there.
I found a real nice CIS stunner and she was a perfect beauty and I went to her and asked for her availability and she asked me that if I pay her 200 USD she will definitely go with me. I replied back that paying 200 USD is not a problem but I will like to take her for continuous four or five days till the time I am here in Bangkok but to my bad luck she said that she is leaving Bangkok day after tomorrow so can only go for two nights so our negotiation broke as I thought at that time that may be I am able to find another stunner who will stay as long as I desire which later I could not.
Now I feel that I was stupid as I should have taken her with me even for two nights as she was really beautiful. May be at that time this idea did not strike to me because Miss N was not at all roaming here or there and was not making any effort to find a customer and I was sensing that she wanted me to be with her. We enjoyed and danced a lot and to be true now she was appealing good to me and a bit innocent and after enjoying we went back to Livingstone’s and both took shower and she asked me the reason for not picking up the Russian girl from CM2 to whom I was talking to which I replied that because of her I did not pick her and she felt happier and asked me that will I like to do sex tonight with her as she does not consider me a customer and she feels I have become a friend to her to which I laughed . She told me she is getting wet and has not used any lubricant and she promised me that she will come and will do orgasm as she is feeling hot and this made me hot as well so finally we did sex in a very passionate manner of course with condom and she did come again and again. Next morning she got me up by doing blow job and did CIM after doing sex.
She suggested me to swim in pool after breakfast which we did and enjoy summer after noon in pool.
In evening her friend Miss K was back too and in bar we talked and I asked miss K regarding her boyfriend and she felt shy then I made them listen to a dialogue between miss K and her German boy friend to which they and some other bar girls nearby listening to us enjoyed like any thing.
The dialogue was regarding Miss K and her German boy friend.” look I keep on waiting for u all the time and now don’t work any more in any bar and I keep on missing you and you don’t come and send me little money and now every thing more expensive so send more money and I need this and I need to buy that”.
All girls laughed and were giving naughty remarks to each other and I found out that at least 3 or 4 other girls were having boy friends like this and I was astonished to observe this that despite lot many stories in forums and papers going on regarding how these bar girls or working girls make fool of tourists but still many amongst us fall in their trap again and again and keep sending money from abroad by believing that now such and such girl will pay her debt back and will stop working in bar or going with customers and another alarming thing I observed was that these boyfriends do un protected sex with these girls by thinking that they are safe now as they don’t work where as situation is exactly contrary to this.
These girls love and enjoy working in bars and don’t like staying in homes any more as they become used to luxuries in hotels where they stay with customers and become fond of eating at good places which later they cant forgo unless and until they become old or find a real good Thai guy of their liking to whom they can marry. These girls agree that they are bad girls and know that they are not doing a good job but still they say they enjoy it now. After close of bar tonight I again bar fined miss N for third consecutive night and we had a good night together and yes again did sex so be happy guys shagging is on loll.
While I was bar fining her some one was patting my shoulder and I looked back and saw the girl with whom I spent my first two nights with signs and hugs was there as she did not come in between to bar for work and it was good to see her as she was a beautiful lady well dressed and had a bit different class in her. I promised her to meet tomorrow in bar.
Now I have two nights left with a different story which I will write in next report.
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M P Lurker
05-24-07, 16:14
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I could never think of this traitor ship as imagine in bar I had spent four or five lady drinks each on them then bar fining both then in hard rock dinner and wine and now here after entry charges and complimentary drinks now we were on vodka and in this till now I had spent almost 12000 baht on both these girls and the result was disgusting that my girl was dancing and kissing some other guy in another corner.
Any how I thought that I don’t own these girls and they have every right to do what ever they want and I kept on dancing with Miss K by thinking that may be Miss N will go out with her newly found customer but again to the contrary she was back and did not go with that guy. This happened may be because she would have thought that as I bar fined her and may be this will cost her job in bar if a complaint is made so she got back.
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Though she made a few gestures that she does not like this idea and I should stick to her and should not find a new girl but I pacified her by saying that look we are friends but on other hand I am a customer too to which she laughed.
Now in next report will mention what happened next night.
You indicated that you wasted a lot of money with which to not have such a great time. Not sure why you took N and K.
Anyway the girls don't care if you want to screw them or not if you paid them each well for their time, but you gave no indication of what percentage of the total pot, the girls actually got in cash. Money spent on food, drinks, disco etc. doesn't help pay their rent. So if they got a tiny portion they possibly would not be impressed at all.
Perhaps you misinterpreted the gestures at the end. What they were really thinking is unclear.
Why send K away. Her boyfriend coming tomorrow doesn't matter at all today. She might screw even better if she is happy.
Some of the best sex I ever had was with girls who had a so called boyfriend coming soon but were secretly working on the side. If it is not secretly, then one questions the boyfriend's level of committment anyway.
P.S. You don't own the girls and they are not your GF. They cannot completely ignore their long time close male friends who happen to like the same venue as yourself, so turn a blind eye to a little misbehaviour would be best policy, after all you were playing with 2 girls but were more interested in the singer.
Finally, a true monger's view:
How do you know if a girl is worth spending time with, if you haven't yet found out how good she is in bed.
She could be a sweet girl but a poor performer in bed.
Decide if you are looking for a platonic friend or a fuck-buddy first, and then act accordingly.
PassinThrough
05-25-07, 06:35
Yes this is a short trip report because I have only been here about 12 hours. I flew in last night and waited forever to get through Customs. For some reason it is always packed when I get there then when I leave there is no one around. I also have a habit of picking the slowest lines. Oh well at least I don't have to wait for my luggage as it has been riding the carousel for a long time by the time I clear customs.
I got to the lodge late at night and checked in. After a quick shower I headed down to the bar where I was greeted warmly by some of the girls I was hanging out with last time. I also saw Mr. G. playing pool (losing to his wife I think) and met another gentleman from the forum. About then my favorite girl came up behind me a gave me a big hug. We had a drink and talked for a bit but I was wiped out so I BF'd her and off we went to the room. I might have been tired but I wasn't dead.
There seem to be more people than the last time I was here and there was a good crowd in the sports bar. The new pool table looks great, I am looking forward to losing a few games to the pool sharks, I mean ladies, tonight. I plan on doing some sight seeing and maybe some trips to Soi Cowboy, Nana and other places while I am here, I will write a more extensive report later.
That's it for now.
PIT
P.S. if anyone is in town and wants to hang out and have a beer in SC or Nana look me up at the lodge. Mr. G knows who I am.
Hi Travellar22,
I am definitely enjoying your reports here. They are one of the best and most informative ones I have seen here for a wile, if not even the benchmark.
Definitely like it and it is good to read not only about the girls performance, even if I have to admit that that this is what the forum is about.
So you finally made it with Miss N after becoming her friend. When I saw you next evening after your 1st CM2 night I already thought that it had happened already as you and Miss N were all about laugh and already there like friends. It seams to me that Miss N had to push you a bit for the first round, which is a good sign as it then was definitely her wish. So she liked you.
What I have to say here and others have said it as well is, that your ‘method’ is probably one of the most expensive one I have ever read here. But as it is the one which makes you comfortable and money doesn’t seem to be an issue, then continue your way.
I am using a more economy way as I described already. The key for me is to have enough talk to the girl before deciding/ bar fining her. It may take at least 1 hour, but usually more for me to decide. The girl’s habit during talks, some close distance, your impression how comfortable she feels etc. is important for prediction upstairs and the atmosphere there.
I think it is impossible to say at his stage to say that she is a friend or better GF type. You only can imagine and evaluate the atmosphere between you and her if it could be.
Then up in the room, as she is undoubtedly a provider the main task is to extract more then a customer relation from her. To be
'a friend' and to get GFE. But I want to extract the TGF mode (TGF= Total Girl Friend) from her as I said in earlier reports and this is where I step back a bit and let the atmosphere towards sex develop slowly. This depends of course on the girl. A girl with the nature of Miss nympho may not need much time, but in case of Miss J it worked out great to guide her slowly.
Miss J is not a nympho by nature and also as you described the multi orgasm capability is not something, which comes out easily. I was successful (as I think) because I was able to identify her sweet spots while taking care of her whole body and spending time with it. I think she experienced something new with her body and sex feel, not that she may not have had orgasms and enjoying sex before, but I had the impression that I was the first who at least identified body areas she is sensitive and may not have even known before herself.
With this she changed then much beyond a ‘friend’, more like a super GF and a woman who feels free and allows herself to be a woman who enjoys sex. Of course I had great time as well even it seemed that almost I was the provider here, but it was a clear turn on.
I admit that this was very exceptional and may not happen with other girls again this way. It was a great chemistry all the time and a lot came also from her nature that she is that very honest girl and is not yet (hope that she will not turn) so cooled down as some of the others Travellar22 described with the money sending boyfriends from western countries.
So even if the atmosphere with Miss J was exceptional, in general I want to say that my method works out upstairs pretty well, but much of that if you are considered as ‘a customer’ or a ‘friend’ is decided in the bedroom and not before.
That’s why I also recommend that you should be more generous to yourself and allow yourself a tryout pop before you decide if she is ‘ a provider’ or a ‘friend’ you want to do more pops with.
Russian Girls for 5 days: However stunning a girl may be, but I recommend that you should never do a contract for 5 days before you experienced the girl at least 1 night. As you described yourself, the CM2 stunners will find their Pop and it is predictable that the service level will not justify the investment. This is a clear ‘starfish alarm’.
Better then stay with Miss N after your chemistry was grown.
Travellar22, I am looking for your next reports. Keep going my friend.
Regards
Brain666
Travellar22
05-25-07, 12:19
Thanks Brain666 for your comments and views and believe me it was my best time in life I enjoyed there at Livingstone’s as I met a friend like you and was totally impressed from your performance and your way of tackling girls as I was the witnessed the way Miss J was involved with you and the Girl who was flirting with you by considering you as her husband loll.
I just want to add that the day you left Bangkok and Miss J went to airport to say good bye to you I was keen to see how does she behave next night when she gets back in bar as I saw her totally involved in you and attached to you.
I just want to ask you a question as she went to see you off at airport and it was around 8 or 9:00 in evening so did u pay bar fine for taking her to airport or was it a free complimentary ride?
As she did not come back after dropping you. Next night she was feeling very lonely and I myself saw her expressions but after about two hours she was offered a lady drink by some customer and then I saw her smiling a bit. I asked her if she is missing you to which she replied in affirmative. I stayed there about three or four nights after you left but I did not see her getting bar fined by any one and she was just busy in bar that’s all.
Though in between she thought that now as she is free I might bar fine her after listening her heroic performances from you but some how I did not bar fine her.
Now coming back to my last two nights as I wrote in my last report that my original girl with whom I stayed first two nights and who was difficult to replace and Brain 666 and Miss J helped me in getting her off was back and I promised her to meet next night and as expected she was back and she was crying with tears in her eyes and when I asked her the reason her translator friend Miss P told me that she is really hurt the way I dumped her as she said that she liked me and she wanted to be with me and did not like at all going with other girls and that’s why she did not turn up for so many nights in bar as she could not see me sitting with other girls. Now this was a shock as I was wondering that whether the feelings she is trying to convey me is true or not. Or how it is possible that a working girl getting involved or having this sort of feeling and if she was just acting then I must say she deserves an Oscar for such a wonderful expression.
I hugged her and said sorry and strangely Miss N was witnessing all this and she immediately came to understand that tonight there is going to be a different ball game so she just waved me from a distance and decided to sit away from me behind a pillar so that we don’t see each other though I observed her from corners of my eyes that she was watching me and miss K yes she was also Miss K not the one who went with me to Hard Rock or CM2.
We both played a few games of pool and this time I was having along with very warm and tight hugs from her I was having a luxury of a translator friend of her too who was translating her for me and I was quite comfortable as I wrote earlier that she has a certain class in her and seems to be very sophisticated too.
I told her my previous adventures of Hard Rock and CM2 and asked her to show me some other new place to eat out and go out so she said that she don’t want to take out any other girl along and just want to go out alone with me this what her translator friend told me to which I agreed but was thinking that what if in between I want to ask any thing who will translate her for me but any how I bar fined her and we went.
I understood that she was taking me away to a place called Holly wood Awards Show.
She was a very talkative girl with the Taxi driver and I thought that might be she knows him so took it in routine. Now when we reach the Holly wood Award show this place was crowded and till we reached inside I had no idea what it was all about.
I bought two tickets then we got in a long queue to enter and while the queue was going on in between a counter where we were asked which drink we would like to have and we decided for blue label whisky and we were asked to pay and we were assigned to a waiter boy who took our bottle and we were given a chit with some number on and later I observed that it was the number of waiter boy. When we entered inside it was huge hall with a very large stage and in the hall hundreds of standing round tables were arranged in a queue. I can say that number of people inside were increasing every moment and there were above thousand couples inside and music was going on and we were shown to our tables which was quite near to stage and our assigned waiter appeared with Ice in bucket and glasses along with water and lemon and served us in a proper manner and I was impressed the way he served whisky to us in such a huge crowd and I saw that every table was served like this and whole crowd was having a life time enjoyment and place was full of Thai young couples and some of like were tourists too and people on floor were dancing on Thai music which was played by live band and at least 30 to 40 Thai girls were dancing on stage and different corners of hall and all of them were stunners believe me and were of 9 and 10 standard and I was stunned to see them in such a number.
Now here people in hall as were mostly young Thai couples were getting very romantic and dancing and kissing and hugging each other and enjoying drinks.
Lighting was much better than CM2. I observed a farang man with a very lovely Thai lady and a bit older Thai and a younger bit flabby Thai girl so in total they were four and Farang man was dancing and enjoying and lovely lady was very romantic with her and they were looking as a perfect wonderful couple and to me they looked like a perfectly married husband and wife along with their mother in law and sister in law.
The young flabby girl was quite drunk and was dancing to her best and older lady was having fun of her life.
They were all dancing and used to give smiles to us as well and I was envying to farang that how happy family he has got and his wife is beautiful Thai woman.
As I told you that I asked Miss K the place to eat out and we came here so I was wondering inside my mind that may be this place has some separate arrangement of food and after music we will go there to eat but soon I came to understand that this is only a place to dance and drink and listen music so now I was getting hungry and I made my miss K to understand that I am feeling hungry now so we decided to leave the place and took our bottle along and came back to Livingstone’s around at 12:00 am and restaurant was about to close but staff any how managed to provide some food to us and I gifted the bottle to staff and they felt really happy and later had party with that bottle.
Now when we were coming back on taxi now again I observed that Miss K was talking with taxi driver as if she was known to him and I was wondering that she is very friendlier with taxi drivers and talk to them a lot.
After food we went in bar and enjoyed for some time and then went upstairs to our room and she French kissed me for long and after taking shower she said me too small and you too big but I wan sec with you and she gave me lovely blow job and did sex in a very passionate way with lovely orgasms and said again and again she liked me to which I nodded and hugged and kissed her and slept. Next day after breakfast she remained with me whole day and did not leave me by saying that as I will be leaving tomorrow so wants to remain with me for maximum time and she went with me to help me in shopping to MBK and in evening we came and as I was quite tired so tonight we decided to just stay in sports bar as I was getting sad by thinking that I will be leaving tomorrow evening so wanted spend maximum time with Giotto and Mrs. Giottos and bar girls and we played pool and then danced and danced till late as Mrs. Giotto is a good DJ too and she plays lovely music when in mood and Mrs. Giotto promised that tomorrow she will make breakfast for me with her own hands so I should wait for her in morning.
I said goodnight to them every one was saying that they will miss me a lot and were asking me to come soon again to which I promised yes and I went with my Miss K back in room and she loved me almost whole night by kissing me head to toe and kept on saying she loves me and me a good man and I went to sleep and next day I had to go for shopping and Miss K went with me and after I came back she helped in packing things and in evening she left me in tears in her eyes and I too now became emotional and tears in my eyes too and we parted and after paying my bill and Giotto gave me a big discount of two nights and I am thankful to him for his wonderful hospitality which I have no words to describe and I invited him to come to my country along with her two wives and I will be his host definitely to which he did promise so lets see if he comes or no as I am and will be waiting for him.
In next final report I will write a few things about Sky train and its route from Livingstone’s and my observations and experiences of shopping malls in Paragon city mall, World Plaza formerly known as World Trade center, Gaysorn Plaza, Emporium Mall, Robinson’s Chain and famous MBK and its Tokyo Store and will try to give you some information for shopping and traveling.
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Thanks Brain666 for your comments and views and believe me it was my best time in life I enjoyed there at Livingstone’s as I met a friend like you and was totally impressed from your performance and your way of tackling girls as I was the witnessed the way Miss J was involved with you and the Girl who was flirting with you by considering you as her husband loll.
I just want to add that the day you left Bangkok and Miss J went to airport to say good bye to you I was keen to see how does she behave next night when she gets back in bar as I saw her totally involved in you and attached to you.
I just want to ask you a question as she went to see you off at airport and it was around 8 or 9:00 in evening so did u pay bar fine for taking her to airport or was it a free complimentary ride?
As she did not come back after dropping you. Next night she was feeling very lonely and I myself saw her expressions but after about two hours she was offered a lady drink by some customer and then I saw her smiling a bit. I asked her if she is missing you to which she replied in affirmative. I stayed there about three or four nights after you left but I did not see her getting bar fined by any one and she was just busy in bar that’s all.
Though in between she thought that now as she is free I might bar fine her after listening her heroic performances from you but some how I did not bar fine her.
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Hi travellar22,
to answer your question: Yes of course I barfined Miss J the night I left. We agreed so the last night that she will show up directly in my room after she had to go to her apartment shortly in the late afternoon. According to the house rules I think she can't just go to the airport with me if it is during working time when you plan to have her around as long a possible and this was no issue for me. From the airport she went straight home by Taxi to her apartment. I called her before departure and she was already in her room by then.
But I didn't ask Giotto for any special arangement either. Even if I would have got a complementary ride, she may have nedded to show up in the sports bar after return.
Regarding barfining Miss J, I don’t doubt that you would have had a good time, however as you already experienced yourself with other ladies, you may not have extracted the exactly same performance.
I still believe that our both overall matching chemistry and the way I accessed her body and sweet spots created some hyper mode in her enjoying the sex life herself, which I think she experienced the first time in that extended level.
Hope that this doesn’t lower the average experience/ performance with the successor customers.
As I could read in the Bangkok thread, one of the successor customers had a disaster experience after that, but I think it was also exceptional due to unlucky circumstances.
However as I wrote in my earlier report, there are unfortunately more then 50% of customers who just bang, bang, bang powered by V and don’t take care of girl at all.
She likes probably less then 10% of her customers by chemistry and some feeling.
Mick Licker may have been one of them, as he had her also some days in a row.
But Travellar22, you qualified in the whole sports bar as a preferred customer I think. So you may be the star there now and most preferred partner of all girls available.
Lets see.
Regards
Brain666
Pittsdaulga
05-26-07, 04:42
I flew into BKK on Thursday night, checked in and Hit the bar right away as a friend of mine was already here. The atmosphere is great. The staff are very friendly and the girls are nice. I met the owners and I have to say they are awesome. I was very fortunate to meet a fellow forum member on day 2 and he helped show me the ropes. I still have a lot to learn though.
The place is very nice. The room is great. Very spacious and the bathroom is huge! I'm staying in the deluxe Jr suit. Ok view from the room, but to be frank, I'm more interested in looking up at the eyes of the girl riding me and pretending I'm a bull as she tries to break me.
Now, I'm in a wheelchair so here's the low down for others that need to take this into consideration. When you arrive at the driveway there are about 3-4 steps up to a walkway to the inside. No biggy. Each step is about 3 or 4 feet long. If you have a buddy that can hop up you and down steps, this is a snap. One more step to the front desk. A small step up and the down to get to the bar/pool area landing. There is then two steps down to the Pool. Again if you have a friend it helps big time. Once you're at the pool you can chill and get some grub. BTW the chicken and barley is great, but OMG its spicy! Oh yeah, there's this pinapple dish that's good too.
To get into the bar, there is a step up and right away there are two more going down. It's a little freaky from my POV, but one of the staff jumped up quickly and gave a helping hand. Like I said the staff is great.
To get to the ground level rooms, Jr deluxe, there are 4-5 steps down, but there is a steep ramp too. Do not use the ramp by yourself unless you are very strong. My friend helps me down it though without any problems.
Because of the staff and my new friend I met here, my friends and I are going to extend our stay for the pool party tonight. Gee, maybe I'll get lucky tonight LOL.
All in all I give this place two enthusiastic thumbs up! If I could, I'd live here!
PEACE!
Pitts
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PassinThrough
05-26-07, 08:47
Spent my first full day just lounging around the Lodge and resting up. I met three guys from the States on their first trip to Thailand so I told them that I would be happy to take them to Soi Cowboy and show them around that night. They seemed interested so we met up at about 9:00 and caught a couple taxis there. We started off at Long Gun where the stage show was just starting. We got some good seats and proceeded to watch a couple girls on stage smoke cigarettes with thier pussies, followed by blowing out the candles on a birthday cake, shooting pieces of bananas and catching them, blowing whistles and finally shooting darts at balloons hanging from the ceiling. It is one of those shows that you should see once, kind of like the Donkey show in Mexico. After the show some very nice looking, completely naked except for thigh high boots, girls got on stage and started dancing. There were very nice but none really caught our eyes. Shortly after this we headed out and over to Dollhouse.
At Dollhouse the girls were topless but wearing very short skirts and no underwear. Some girls were pulling up their friends skirts to show the guys. They were bing very playful and funny. A couple of the guys spotted girls they liked and arranged to bar fine them (600 baht) and take them back to the lodge for long time (2500 baht). One guy and I decided to check out some other clubs and ended up getting pulled into a couple smaller clubs, one of which was Jungle Jims. From my last experience there the girls gave hand jobs at the bar but I didn't see that happening this time, just a lot of playing through the pants. As we were there close to closing time we got ganged up by all the available girls (10 girls ages 23 up to maybe 45). We had a couple beers there and not seeing anyone that we really liked we headed back to the sports bar at the club. I met up with my favorite girl and my friend hooked up with a girl he had met a couple days earlier.
The Sports Bar was pretty crowded and everyone was having a good time. I met a British guy and his friend there and we exchanged stories of other places like Maggies in Beijing (full of very beautiful, very horny Mongolian girls). It was great meeting new people and having a great time. I am much looking forward to the Pool Party tonight. I will report on that tomorrow.
PIT
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I would like to say that it is up to a reader if he does not like reading them simply skip them and move on. I am just writing up my actual experience rather than just concocting up stories and fantasies of shagging girl thrice or more by raising her legs and eating up her pussy and fountains of cum going here and there.
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Travellar22,
Absolutely correct! Go ahead, write about your specific experiences. I enjoy reading it, because it adds a different report style and unusual views to this forum.
Thanks for all your reports.
Giotto
PassinThrough
05-27-07, 04:38
I just wanted to do a quick post to say that the Pool Party was great. After a wonderful dinner consisting of several Thai dishes shared among the 5 of us we hung out at a table by the pool drining until late in the evening. There were of course the usual beautiful women, many walking around in bikini's. Several of which joined us at one time or another to have a drink and chat. I think we just hung out by the pool for 5 or 6 hours enjoying the great weather, wonderful company and cold beverages. I couldn't have asked for a more perfect night. As Pittsdaulga said "If I could, I'd live here"
Thanks Mr. G.
PIT
After food we went in bar and enjoyed for some time and then went upstairs to our room and she French kissed me for long and after taking shower she said me too small and you too big but I wan sec with you and she gave me lovely blow job and did sex in a very passionate way with lovely orgasms and said again and again she liked me to which I nodded and hugged and kissed her and slept. Next day after breakfast she remained with me whole day and did not leave me by saying that as I will be leaving tomorrow so wants to remain with me for maximum time and she went with me to help me in shopping to MBK and in evening we came and as I was quite tired so tonight we decided to just stay in sports bar as I was getting sad by thinking that I will be leaving tomorrow evening so wanted spend maximum time with Giotto and Mrs. Giottos and bar girls and we played pool and then danced and danced till late as Mrs. Giotto is a good DJ too and she plays lovely music when in mood and Mrs. Giotto promised that tomorrow she will make breakfast for me with her own hands so I should wait for her in morning.
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Hallefuckinglujah
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After a quick shower I headed down to the bar where I was greeted warmly by some of the girls I was hanging out with last time. I also saw Mr. G. playing pool (losing to his wife I think) and met another gentleman from the forum. About then my favorite girl came up behind me a gave me a big hug. We had a drink and talked for a bit but I was wiped out so I BF'd her and off we went to the room. I might have been tired but I wasn't dead.
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PassinThrough,
BESTARD! I always loose in pool.
But - a nice customer bought a cue for me! And a special cue bag. And special chalk! The lousiest pool player of Bangkok has his own cue now! Ridiculous!
I think I need some training sessions.
Giotto
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But I didn't ask Giotto for any special arangement either. Even if I would have got a complementary ride, she may have nedded to show up in the sports bar after return.
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Brain666,
You should have done it, and she should have talked to the Mamasan to get a day off. I have no problems with all that - everybody could see what was going on between the two of you.
We really don't need to charge barfine for a girl sending a customer to the airport. Really not. We are happy if a girl provides this service, because it makes the customer feel good - and he will come back.
Next time - please talk to me.
Giotto
M P Lurker
05-28-07, 10:57
Brain666,
You should have done it, and she should have talked to the Mamasan to get a day off. I have no problems with all that - everybody could see what was going on between the two of you.
We really don't need to charge barfine for a girl sending a customer to the airport. Really not. We are happy if a girl provides this service, because it makes the customer feel good - and he will come back.
Next time - please talk to me.
Giotto
I am quite capable of getting to the airport by myself (with a taxi driver), although it can be a good idea to be aware of traffic congestion at certain times of day and the best route to the airport.
However next time I think I might need one of the girls to take me to Phuket for a few days (not just the airport). Now in the interests of good customer relations .... perhaps you can give a discount for multi-day barfining. :-)
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.... perhaps you can give a discount for multi-day barfining. :-)Mick Licker,
Discount? Discount, what is that :) ???
Serious now: If the girl is OK with that you talk to the Mamasan and make a deal. We do not give any discounts on the income sources of our girls - they have to decide.
Giotto
I just wanted to do a quick post to say that the Pool Party was great. After a wonderful dinner consisting of several Thai dishes shared among the 5 of us we hung out at a table by the pool drining until late in the evening. There were of course the usual beautiful women, many walking around in bikini's. Several of which joined us at one time or another to have a drink and chat. I think we just hung out by the pool for 5 or 6 hours enjoying the great weather, wonderful company and cold beverages. I couldn't have asked for a more perfect night. As Pittsdaulga said "If I could, I'd live here"
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PassinThrough,
Yes, it was a good party. It went smoothly, and our customers had some fun. And we were lucky that it did not rain that night. The last customers left very very late...
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
AsiaTraveler2
05-28-07, 12:24
PassinThrough,
BESTARD! I always loose in pool.
But - a nice customer bought a cue for me! And a cue bag. And special chalk! The lousiest pool player of Bangkok has his own cue now! Ridiculous!
I think I need some training sessions.
Giotto
Giotto,
How about a strip pool tournament between the guys and girls? That would be interesting! ;) Of course, it may be good to start after everyone has already had dinner. There may be some things seen that may be better left covered! Luckily the weather is warm in LOS! LOL!
AT2
Well I just couldn't resist, I'll be back to the villa of sin in a month or so time.
This time I will be flying solo, my wing man, has alas departed from the City of Angels, so it will be just me (and hopefully lots of ladies).
I will be arriving to the hotel past midnight (the curses of flying after work), but hopefully there will be some ladies still available to help me get some post flying exercise.
Looking forward to it!!
Brain666,
You should have done it, and she should have talked to the Mamasan to get a day off. I have no problems with all that - everybody could see what was going on between the two of you.
We really don't need to charge barfine for a girl sending a customer to the airport. Really not. We are happy if a girl provides this service, because it makes the customer feel good - and he will come back.
Next time - please talk to me.
Giotto
Thanks,
next time I do.
reegards
Brain666
Just finished a five day stay at the lodge. I decided to go on a whim with a couple of my friends and it ended up being a fantastic trip. I would recommend Livingstones to anyone thinking about making the trip out here. The staff here was fantastic, everyone was very friendly, and Giotto could not have been more accomodating. We did not have most of our trip preplanned, so we had some open days to fill with no real idea of what to do. Giotto not only made a great recommendation on a package trip to the war museum and the tiger temple, but set the entire thing up for us. He also made arrangements for transportation to Pattaya on short notice, was able to change things around when we changed our minds on the dates. ******, the owner, was also great, changing our rooms around within minutes of our arrival when the room we had booked was not as accessible to our handicapped friend as we would have liked. On a side note the place did have several rooms that were little to no trouble for anyone who is wheelchair bound, and the staff was always rushing around to help him up the one or two stairs that were small obstacles. The girls here were also gorgeous and very plentiful, I stayed 5 days and I'm still seeing new faces from time to time. They are all very friendly most of them speak enough english that you can actually carry on a bit of conversation with, much more so then a lot of the bars we checked out during our stay.
The place is in a great spot too, you are half a block off of the main road Sukhumvit, about 5 blocks to Soi Cowboy, and maybe 10-15 blocks (60baht cab ride) to Nana plaza. Theres a mall two blocks away, a couple more just a bit past nana plaza, vendors everywhere, basically everything you need is walking distance away, or a very cheap cab ride if you want to avoid the heat.
Lastly we ended up eating here probably almost half the time, the food was really incredible, make sure you try the rice with chicken, shrimp, and Chinese sausage baked in the pinapple.
I will absolutely be going back to Thailand as soon as I can, and I can not see any reason whatsoever why I would stay at any other hotel. Thanks again guys!
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The place is very nice. The room is great. Very spacious and the bathroom is huge! I'm staying in the deluxe Jr suit. Ok view from the room, but to be frank, I'm more interested in looking up at the eyes of the girl riding me and pretending I'm a bull as she tries to break me.
Now, I'm in a wheelchair so here's the low down for others that need to take this into consideration. When you arrive at the driveway there are about 3-4 steps up to a walkway to the inside. No biggy. Each step is about 3 or 4 feet long. If you have a buddy that can hop up you and down steps, this is a snap. One more step to the front desk. A small step up and the down to get to the bar/pool area landing. There is then two steps down to the Pool.
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Pittsdaulga,
Welcome, and thank you for your report. And yes, we completely forgot any planning for people sitting in wheelchairs...no not completely. Those areas which we built new we have ramps etc. , but all the old areas of the Thai residence are still not really wheelchair friendly.
Thanks for your review from this POV, I will copy your report somewhere as an information for people in wheelchairs, that they can decide whether the Lodge is the right place for them to stay or not.
I know that you enjoy staying here with us, and I want you to know that all our staff is happy to have you here.
Thanks for staying at Livingstone's Lodge.
Giotto
How about a strip pool tournament between the guys and girls? That would be interesting! ;) What a good idea! Some years ago in a hotel of ill-repute in Australia, I played a girl "double or nothing" at pool. It was her idea, as she was an excellent player, and she'd seen my terrible playing style earlier in the night. Her deal was that if she won the game, I'd pay normal price for a one-hour session, but if I won, I'd have two hours for the price of one.
Usually I just play for fun, but that game I played for FUN. Two hours later I was a very happy man. :D
AsiaTraveler2
05-28-07, 21:29
What a good idea! Some years ago in a hotel of ill-repute in Australia, I played a girl "double or nothing" at pool. It was her idea, as she was an excellent player, and she'd seen my terrible playing style earlier in the night. Her deal was that if she won the game, I'd pay normal price for a one-hour session, but if I won, I'd have two hours for the price of one.
Usually I just play for fun, but that game I played for FUN. Two hours later I was a very happy man. :D
Giotto,
This idea might pick up momentum! Better start practicing! (Or wear lots and lots of clothes!). LOL! We also need to watch our cue stick when we lean over the table on those tough shots. I can just imagine the attention the girls will get when they lean over to make those tough shots! Ahhh the possibilities! Only in BKK!
AT2
Just finished a five day stay at the lodge. I decided to go on a whim with a couple of my friends and it ended up being a fantastic trip. I would recommend Livingstones to anyone thinking about making the trip out here. The staff here was fantastic, everyone was very friendly, and Giotto could not have been more accomodating. We did not have most of our trip preplanned, so we had some open days to fill with no real idea of what to do. Giotto not only made a great recommendation on a package trip to the war museum and the tiger temple, but set the entire thing up for us. He also made arrangements for transportation to Pattaya on short notice, was able to change things around when we changed our minds on the dates.
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Big Vig,
Welcome to the forum. And thanks for your first report here...
Hmmm...did I recommend a trip to the tiger temple? Yes, I would, but - did I organize the entire thing for you? No, I am sure, I did not.
Did you mix up Guido with Giotto? Yes, you did :) ...
Anyway, good to hear that you liked the place, and that everything went fine for you. I hope to see you back soon.
Giotto
Member #4655
05-29-07, 11:55
Just booked four days at the lodge starting next tuesday. Have been in BKK many times but always on back of company trips staying at Grande Sheraton Sukhumvit. this time am between jobs on way to Dubai and paying my own way Found this thread and booked in to the lodge. Sounds like a fun place.
If any of you are in town next week and want to hook up let me know
Max
Freeman 418
05-29-07, 14:14
I'm finding the reports pretty bizarre, yet fun to read myself-- each to his own, as they say.
I was particularly curious as to why he needed the girl to "be his friend" rathan than a "customer" before having sex??
Oh puleeeeeeez, the closest that any walking-ATM is ever going to get emotionally to any of these girls is maybe a "customer of the month" award.. leave "friend" to the thai BF waster who's living off the bank account.
Trav 22. What the fuck are you playing at? What planet did you come from?
I have read all the reports, hoping at some stage that you would stop paying 3 times the going rate for LT for a woman to sleep by you. You're a doctor for fuck's sake, prescribe yourself some viagra if you can't do the biz, or if S.E. Asian women don't do it for you, go back home or to the Arab states and fuck them, but stop giving *****s in BKK 3 grand for turning up, then boasting about it.
Why are you posting this shite? It is of no use whatsoever. Please, use your balls and a prescription of viagra and actually fuck someone, then post!
Travellar22,
Many responds to your excellent reports - and even if some readers disagree with the style of your vacation here in Bangkok, I know and hear it here at the Lodge every day, that many ISG members enjoy reading your posts, especially because of your slightly different way of thinking.
In my POV your reports belong to the best what I have read in the forum over the years.
Please, go ahead, complete your story.
Giotto
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If any of you are in town next week and want to hook up let me know
...Maxwell 100,
there are some members staying at the Lodge, now and next week, too.
I will be in Singapore for some days, back on Wednesday next week.
Giotto
Member #4655
05-30-07, 07:31
Maxwell 100,
there are some members staying at the Lodge, now and next week, too.
I will be in Singapore for some days, back on Wednesday next week.
GiottoGiotto,
Is your special deal for ISG members still running?
How can I get in touch with the members that are going to be there.
Used to spemd time in Sing. Blue Banna, Mama Tracy always looked after me.
Maxwell
...Is your special deal for ISG members still running?
How can I get in touch with the members that are going to be there.
...Maxwell 100,
ISG discount still up and running, and it will stay like this.
Some members might PM you, if they stay here same time. Go to the Sports Lounge, and you will meet them, without knowing that they have the same hooby you have.
When I am in I usually introduce you to other ISG members, but I cannot do anything if I am not here.
Giotto
Travellar22
05-31-07, 10:48
Thanks Giotto for your encouraging comments and Yes I do agree that may be many members don’t agree to my style of vacations but I wrote in my very first report that I went on vacation to relax and spend time the way I want away from home with no restrictions and not for just shagging alone as to shag I have no problem at all in my home land as I am a medical doctor and have enough female doctors and nurses to shag around and all are very neat and clean ladies and with most of them I don’t need condoms even and I enjoy sex to maximum and with working girls as condom is the biggest restriction I feel so I really don’t feel like going for it just for sake of shagging unless and until there is some real chemistry which may develop or may not and I personally don’t mind if I don’t shag a working girl even if I have paid her as I buy her time for sake of company as being alone I hate.
Few things were forgotten in last report so am adding them here before writing about shopping excursions.
Remember the farang couple which I mentioned I saw in Hollywood Award Show along with sis in law and mother in law. To my surprise and shock very next morning I saw same couple sitting on pub stools of Livingstone’s in afternoon and they both greeted me by smiling and my Miss K was also pleased to see them and she talked in Thai with the lovely lady who was accompanying the man and again a big shock to me that she was a working lady not his wife and was here to have fun with her customer. Now a question remain unanswered that then who were the younger girl and older woman with them last night.
As far as I remember this guy was not Lodge’s in house guest and nor was the lady a bar girl in sport’s bar but see what a co incidence that we met again.
Second thing wanted to mention that one positive thing which I observed and confirmed it too that in sports bar girls are not allowed to use mobile phones at all and as all girls do have mobiles they have to keep them back in their rest room or lockers but some how have a mysterious way of getting in touch with phones while sitting in bar and though phones are not with them even they know if some important call or sms is there on phone.
Mamasen have regular meetings with bar girls just like a office meeting or a company meeting and instructions are given and rules are enforced strictly afterwards and discipline is excellent and this you can not find in free lancers you pick from certain places as they keep clinging to phones when they are with customers plus they are not trust worthy at all as there is every likely hood that they will run away with your valuables if get a chance where as these bar girls are dead honest as I kept my things open all the time and at times 50, 000 baht were placed in my valet openly and they did not take away a single note from it as many times I was outside downstairs or washroom and my valet was openly lying on table along with my mobile phone.
This was the major plus point because of which I kept myself glued to bar girls of sports bar as I wanted to live with a peace of mind and not with a tension of looking after my valuables all the time.
Now finally a very alarming indication for guys who go bareback with these girls as many of them carry certificates which certify them disease free as I confirmed it from girls in bar and they told me places where I can go and get certificates after paying a little under table. In my opinion may be 5 % girls go actually under genuine tests medically where as all others get fake certificates and use them as and when required.
Now some idea about traveling in Bangkok of course from airport to come and go best way is to use meter taxi and will not cost you more than 350 baht including toll fee and if you want to use a meet and assist service which I used when I arrived I had to pay 1500 baht for that as was escorted to Livingstone on a BMW limo. I observed that business of bike riders and tuk tuk has suffered because of sky train as it is much easy to use sky train and you can travel in minutes from one place to other avoiding all traffic jams.
Livingstone’s is very near by sky station called Phrom Pheng and so is Emporium Shopping mall which is situated in right across sky station and from Phrom Pheng you can go to Nana station and go to NEP or Nana Hotel or you can go to Chitlom station if you want to go to Central World plaza or Gaysorn Plaza or Grand Erivan or to Siam station for going to Paragon city which is a new shopping plaza and these days very famous with tourists. From Siam which is an interchange for other line which goes to Stadium where famous MBK is situated.
Trains are packed with passengers but are safe as I did not hear or observe any crime and people travel safely and with peace of mind as I did not hear any incidence of pick pocketing.
However late nights taxi are best to use as by then traffic is reduced and one can easily go from one place to other on taxi without traffic jams.
Now first day I asked Giotto to give me some idea about how to reach Paragon City he guided me to go to Siam station and he was going to Emporium Mall to get a pair of sandals for himself along with her wife and he walked with me to sky station and there made me learn from where to buy the ticket and how to use it and he bought me the ticket from his own pocket and then even gave me the change for return ticket as well and I went to Paragon city.
I have traveled to Bangkok many times previously as well and have been to Central World and other malls like Robinsons so this time as I did read about Paragon city as the biggest shopping mall so I was interested to see it and wanted to know the difference.
Paragon City no doubt is a very big mall and is owned by same owners as of Emporium Mall and has almost all big brands in it but to me as it is quite big so one gets confused and get lost in directions and its really difficult to find the store of your choice or walk through all the plaza and one gets tired and by the time you make up your mind from where to buy what you are dead tired and as I am a smoker and now there is no place in Malls to smoke so with passage of time smoker is more frustrated and because of this I personally feel more comfortable in smaller plazas from where you can easily get out and smoke and go back and plus you can find stores more easily and buy things and one does not feel lost.
I found stores of Armani or Hugo Boss or Louis Vitton or Ferrigamo and Dunhill but the clothes I liked were not available of my size as I am tall and healthy and Thai are usually short and slim hence I find my size in Thailand with bit of difficulty and but still I am more comfortable and easy in finding my likings at Central World and Gaysorn.
You can find different brand shops of women wears and men wear and electronics or eye wears every where plus a big departmental store in every plaza again selling different brands under one roof and these departmental stores in every plaza are selling almost same brands in shoes like Ecco, Regal, Clarks, Bally, Rock Port or clothes like arrow, camel, john Henry, lacoste, pere cardin, vaun husein, Garbang and others so if you go in one departmental store from other you will not find any thing new except sizes or few different colors rest they carry almost same brands every where. Rest you can find Armani, Hugo boss, Dunhill, Bali, and other famous designer having separate outlets in each plaza.
Gaysorn Plaza is best for brand shopping as it has just famous brands in it with no departmental store.
I bought my daily wears from departmental stores named as Zen and Istaan in Central World and my sports wears from Nike and Addidas at Central World and my dinner suits from Hugo Boss and Armani and a few hand bags for my wife and sister from Fendi and Louis Vitan in Gaysorn Plaza as it is small plaza and exclusive for these outlets only with no other stores in it.
These out lets are quite expensive and men suits range from 35, 000 Baht upwards and hand bags also start from 25000 baht upwards and all these outlets treat their customers very special way and give their products in wonderful packing.
Only important thing is one should carry passport all the time when out for shopping and get the form for VAT refund from each store separately if amount of shopping exceeds 5000 baht and that form should be obtained same day as they will not sign it next day as far as I know.
This refund is 7% of total value so if your shopping amount is high then on your way back you will have handsome amount back at airport when you are leaving country. Only important thing to remember is that if you are traveling first class in Thai airways then first get your VAT refund from departure of ordinary class travel lounge after having done from Passport stamp from immigration but before entering the departure lounge of first class as there is no arrangement of refund in first class counter and you have to go to other side through a only for staff use door to economy class lounge to get your refund and don’t deposit your luggage with airlines until and unless you don’t get refund as customs sign for refund voucher only after seeing your valuables and things and after getting it signed then you can enter in lounge and when in duty free area then there is a counter where you will get your money after you show your custom authorities signed vat refund form. I got a very handsome amount back and from that I bought a few things from outlets of Ferrigamo and Cartier at duty free area in lounge and then went into first class lounge and waited for my flight.
Now coming back to shopping the most interesting thing I want to share with you people that as I stayed 3 nights with Miss N and two nights with Miss K and during that both these girls went out for shopping with me in all places and helped me in picking bags from stores to back to Livingstone’s as we had to walk a lot with these bags from stores to station and then on train and then again from station to lodge as that was the only easy way to come back rather than coming back in taxi and traffic jams.
But believe me both these girls were so nice that I have no words to explain as they carried bags and spent whole day with me by going one store to another and plus they were seeing the way I was spending money in expensive stores daily and they did not even ask me once that they also want something for them and I was impressed by their attitude as I thought they will ask me also to get them this and that and will put me in awkward position if they want something expensive and if I have to say no.
I myself bought them a few gifts at end and though they were of small amount comparing to my own shopping but believe me they were so happy that I can’t explain.
I asked Giotto and Mrs. Giotto Mamasen regarding MBK as I never had seen it earlier but as it was very popular with tourists and even with Thai people so got information from them that I can find any thing I want from fake to original there and it’s a huge shopping place so I got interested in seeing that place and one day I went there with Miss N as this was not on sukhumvit line so one has to change to stadium line on sky train from Siam station interchange and we went and followed people going in a big store and that was Tokyo store and I bought a few things from there but could not fine any thing new as this place was same like any departmental store which I have mentioned earlier and selling same brands as I could get there in Central or Robinsons so was wondering why Giotto has sent me here so after getting back to Lodge I asked him and came to know that I went to a wrong place and instead of entering Tokyo store I had to go downstairs and enter the building from another door and next day I went with Miss K their and was amazed to see small shops their selling from garments all big names but all fake and electronic shops watch shops selling original and fake products and people were flocking around these shops and were buying things from all sorts of shops and believe me it has every thing to sell under one roof but quality wise this place according to me is zero as selling mostly cheap and fake products.
Now I wanted around 20 meters cloth like Thai silk for my mother sisters and wife so on my last day girl at reception of lodge told me the place to get it so went with Miss K there and got it and my shopping was complete finally and now after coming back said good bye to Miss K and packed my things and said good bye to Lodge and Guiddo helped me in getting taxi and putting my heavy bags in trunk and I came back with happy memories and sad heart as I will miss every thing every moment and every day till I am back again on holidays here.
Sorry for my long reports friends and for bearing me so long.
Good Bye
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There have been several reports on the least expensive way to take a taxi to Livingstone's. Sometimes the drivers pretend to not understand, etc. What's the possibility of Giotto posting the exact directions to Livingstone's in the Thai language in the forum? Then we could copy and print and hand to the driver.
Freeman 418
06-01-07, 16:32
It's really not too hard.. you just tell the driver you want "Sukhumvit Road", Soi 33 ("Sarm sip sarm").. everyone in BKK knows Sukh Road, and Soi 33 off that road.. once you hit Soi 33, just get out of taxi, when he turns into Soi 33, since the hotel is less than 100m from the start of the street, and you can walk it.
There have been several reports on the least expensive way to take a taxi to Livingstone's. Sometimes the drivers pretend to not understand, etc. What's the possibility of Giotto posting the exact directions to Livingstone's in the Thai language in the forum? Then we could copy and print and hand to the driver.
Giotto, do any of the girls there speak Japanese? I'm Korean, but I speak English, but my best friend from Japan will be headed to LOS with me and we were considering staying at Livingstone's... and he only speaks Japanese and Korean.
Giotto, do any of the girls there speak Japanese? I'm Korean, but I speak English, but my best friend from Japan will be headed to LOS with me and we were considering staying at Livingstone's... and he only speaks Japanese and Korean.Byung,
There are some girls speaking a bit Japanese - but the question will be whether they will be here, when your friend comes. And much more important: Nobody at the front desk and from the management speaks Japanese...
Yikes, we should learn more languages.
Giotto
Rick Hunter
06-02-07, 05:16
so far it is turning out to be another rather enjoyable trip to giotto's.
i arrived on thursday night and at the front desk was given my upgrade to a better room as a returning customer from these boards. i was unfortunately told though that my arrival day was one of the biggest holidays of the year and most places in bangkok were closed and no alcholol could be sold. thankfully the sports bar was still open though. i dropped my bags off and headed down to the bar to find some talent and wait for a friend to arrive.
the bar was relatively busy as quickly found a nice lady sitting beside me but i had my eye on one of the girls playing on the football machine. so i found another looker and shot a bit of pool with her. was not really getting the interaction or spark with her i was looking for so i was thinking of calling it an early night. asked for my bill and then was about to leave when the girl i first noticed freed up so i grabbed her. we played some football and then went out to sit by the pool and wait for my friend. a few beers for me and 4 drinks for her later my buddy finally arrived after midnight. by this point some of her friends had joined us to kill time as it was getting quite late. my buddy bought a round of drinks for for the six of us waiting for him to apologize for being so late. shortly after my lady and i retired to my room.
i was rewarded for making such a nice choice. she was very gfe and we had a couple sessions before bed and than another in the morning. gave her a kiss good bye and 3000 baht.
spent the next day wandering bangkok with my buddy. doing the usual things. checked out mbk, grabbed a nice dinner at a 5 star hotel. walked through patpong (what a rip-off joint), hit nana plaza and then sio cowboy. my buddy found his evening companion before me. he grabbed a nice sweet girl with good english. i grabbed a girl at baccarra with huge fake tits as i was just trying to speen things up. not normally my type. we brought the two ladies back to giotto's. had a few drinks by the pool before retiring to our respective rooms. unfortunately my lady neglected to mention it was that time of month at the bar. i sent her packing with a few baht for her time and was rather annoyed that she seemed to think that it should not be a problem. ah well she was not really my type anyways and i had couaght her in so many lies during the night before i was starting to sour on her. plus when she refused to shower with me while i was showering i heard her going through my closet - of course everything of value was locked up in the safe so i was not worried but still it shattered the trust - and then after showering when we start playing and i go to finger her and find out it is her period - uhh.
last time i was here i had a great time with a girl from the sports bar and had a problem with a lady from another place. same thing this trip - perhaps i should just stick to the bar as giotto seems to do a good job screening the girls.
we shall have to see what today holds.
NicFrenchy
06-02-07, 05:29
Finally made it to Livingstones!
Was on my way to Akane when i thought, what if I step in and look at the bar, few drinks before Akane?
I stepped in and it must have been a special night. Was escorted to the bar by a lovely hostess, all around the pool was a buffet and table for customers.
The sports lounge was full. I did not go in because there were way too many people. Some girls seated on Stools at the entrance inside, what looked like a small pool table at the back.
I did an about face and went to Akane.
As I said, maybe it was a special night but I prefer quieter atmospheres. I like it when you have a conversation adn can hear what the girl tells you without having to make her shout. i did not see any private sitting areas (but as i said, I did NOT go in so I can be 100% mistaken).
Giotto, Sorry I did not stay, I'll have to come back when it's quieter.
Do people smoke in the Sports Bar?
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I stepped in and it must have been a special night. Was escorted to the bar by a lovely hostess, all around the pool was a buffet and table for customers.
The sports lounge was full. I did not go in because there were way too many people. Some girls seated on Stools at the entrance inside, what looked like a small pool table at the back.
I did an about face and went to Akane.
As I said, maybe it was a special night but I prefer quieter atmospheres. I like it when you have a conversation adn can hear what the girl tells you without having to make her shout. i did not see any private sitting areas (but as i said, I did NOT go in so I can be 100% mistaken).
Giotto, Sorry I did not stay, I'll have to come back when it's quieter.
Do people smoke in the Sports Bar?NicFrenchy,
Yesterday was no special night, but we had a group of Japanese guys in here, and the bar was really full.
There is a private sitting area in the back of the bar, but you could not see it if you not walk in. But - why not sit at the pool with a cold beer?
And yes, people smoke in the bar...
Come back during the week, it should not be that full then, and let's chat then.
Giotto
Byung,
There are some girls speaking a bit Japanese - but the question will be whether they will be here, when your friend comes. And much more important: Nobody at the front desk and from the management speaks Japanese...
Yikes, we should learn more languages.
Giotto
No problem about the front desk... I'll be with him if we go. He usually likes to stay at expensive hotels like the Peninsula, going to all the expensive places that cater to Japanese clientèle, but I'm telling him it's not necessary to spend so much money.
Maybe we'll see you this September, Giotto.
BTW, do you have a list of 'fun' locations nearby where most of the girls speak Japanese?
No problem about the front desk... I'll be with him if we go. He usually likes to stay at expensive hotels like the Peninsula, going to all the expensive places that cater to Japanese clientèle, but I'm telling him it's not necessary to spend so much money.
Maybe we'll see you this September, Giotto.
BTW, do you have a list of 'fun' locations nearby where most of the girls speak Japanese?
Byung,
please do us a favor. Unfortunately the japaneese customers are well known for paying extremely high prices, a result of the high entertainment prices in Japan and are also weak in negotiating skills. And your comments about him ('going to all expensive J-Places') speak it out that he is a 'typical' Japanese customer.
But please advise your friend that he should adjust his price level to the real local Bangkok level and that he wouldn't do all good for the whole mongering group if he creates a 'japan price expectation' in the sports bar girls brain.
Soo please give him some lessons before.
regards
Brain666
NicFrenchy
06-02-07, 14:59
Hi Giotto,
Thanks for the reply.
I will most definitely pop by during the week then.
I have to say the Hotel looked lovely. I did not stay because it was hot and I'm in love with Air conditioned places LOL
See you soon ;)
My short stay at the Lodge began with an unexpectedly late arrival: Due to a cancelled flight I only got to Livingstone's around 2am. No problem with check-in though, Guido even managed to get the aircon unit working despite the missing remote control. But the late arrival still meant that I had to postpone my visit to the Sports Bar. Upon getting up late the next day (can't call it morning anymore) I discovered the greatest invention since sliced bread: the all-day breakfast. This idea is really ingenious and you wonder why other hotels haven't picked it up (ok, well, we know why ...).
My muscles still remembering a couple of journeys in cramped economy class, the afternoon plan was quickly formed: a proper massage. Since Sazanka's been on my list for some time, it was about time to pay that much heralded place a visit. Although I blithely walked past the "Mambo" theatre and thus walked much longer than necessary (via Soi 22) I eventually found the place and was pleasantly surprised. Although it's been mentioned on the board before, I still found the reception friendly and professional. Chose the Sazanka massage (1380 Baht - why not 1400, actually?). You get to choose a girl too - none of them is stunning but it still seems reasonable to imagine the person giving you a handjob having a pleasant face as well. Yet as I realized later, the only time you actually see much of your girl (Mauy it was, if I remember correctly) is during the final shower. I found Sazanka a great experience. The scrub and the massage really did the trick for me. I felt clean like never before, and the HJ technique is fantastic. I didn't expect too much from the sexual part, but in the end both the massage (incl. the salt treatment) and the HJ exceeded my expectations.
Out on Suk again I decided that there's only one way to continue on the wellness path: to have a proper haircut - no extras in this case, but just a nice salon with an even nicer stylist at MBK. She remembered me from a couple of months ago and we quickly had a nice conversation going, at the end of which I had her phone number. Or so I thought at least - for back at the Lodge I had to find out that I had either written down a wrong number or she had made a "mistake", duh.
Whatever, I'm here to explore and report about the Lodge and Sports Bar anyway! Dinner at the pool provided a perfect opportunity to survey the window displays and they looked promising. Plenty of nice, tastefully dressed ladies - and hardly any customers! Just as some idea about who might be a relevant target among the girls began to take shape, my plans were however thwarted: As I passed by the girls, one of them suddenly called my name. "Hm," I thought, "isn't that advanced service here - the girls apparently already have customer profiles?". But no: She simply was a familiar face - Miss N - from one of the Suk massage parlours whom I've had for LT as well. I had quite fond memories of those meetings - on the other hand the plan had been to sample some new fruits at the Sports Bar. But so be it, sometimes repeat experiences can be rewarding, too ;)
I am at the end of a week plus stay at Livingstone's. My trip was meant to be 50% work and 50% pleasure, but unfortunately for me the work/pleasure ratio turned out more like 90/10. Not to bother, as Livingstone's turned out to be a great choice for both purposes. For me, staying in hotel room has been a chore. I spend more time that I like in them. I find that with few exceptions, they tend to be very sterile and predictable. Livingstone's breaks that mold thankfully. It is located slightly away from the madness of Nana that can easily consume you in Bangkok, but not too far away if you want to indulge yourself.
The rooms are 4 Star + in my opinion, and to be honest I have stayed in many 5 star hotels where the rooms cannot claim to be up to the standard of Livingstone's. There is both wired and wireless Internet available, the rooms are spacious and clean, and they have everything you would expect of a 4 - 5 star hotel. The food - one word, Yum! I never had a sub standard meal in my time there, and that is not something you can readily say for most hotels. All staff are friendly and fun to deal with.
Guido and **Giotto** are very gracious and knowledgeable hosts. What they don't know about Bangkok ain't worth knowing! They both make you feel so welcome in their "home" and are free with their tips on Bangkok, girls and good times.
That brings me to my next point. The Girls. Again, Yum. The Sports Bar is one of BKK's hidden treasures, with 30-40 girls in attendance nightly to keep you company you won't be bored. They are all beautiful and well presented. They are not pushy and do not readily push you towards "extra activities". That is entirely up to you. Given my unexpected work commitments I wasn't able to indulge in the pleasures as much as I had planned to, but when I did, it was time and money well spent :-) The one thing I like about the set up with the girls is if you are a *******, they are not pressured into going with you. I like that.
In summary, Livingstone's is a different accommodation experience. It is a boutique hotel, not a hotel or *****house. It has been a great stay. I will return.
SE Asia Joe
06-04-07, 06:33
Giotto amigo:
Been reading Giotto's forum from day one, but have not had the pleasure of staying there as I generally go straight down to Phuket. Am planning another Phuket run the week of June 18 and am tempted... really tempted to make it a point to stop over in BKK just to stay at your place! (Hmmm - how come you don't call this forum - Giotto's grotto?).
One thing that's been making me wonder about your place though is - WHERE ARE ALL THE BAD REVIEWS?! I can understand that with the discounts for ISG members, that they;ve got to write a report. Is this ANY report? Or do you hit the delete button for those reports that ain't full of praise? I mean - there's ALWAYS sooooo many things to complain about when staying ANYWHERE! So...?!! Can Livingstone's be the REAL shangrila we're all seeking?
SE Asia Joe
Rick Hunter
06-04-07, 09:36
I think the reason that you don't see many negative things is that the staff are so helpful. Each time I have been at Giotto's there have been some minor problems but the staff always immediately jump up and deal with them. At least for me I have always found the customer service to be fantastic and highly recommend the place.
I was having dinner in Manli a while ago talking with someone I had just met about Thailand and we both had the same opinion that Giotto's was the best place in the city to stay. Although if in town for work it might be difficult to pull off if you have anyone in your HR or Accounting Department that might question the location of your hotel.
Giotto thanks for the advice on Saturday night. Turned out to be a great night. I'll write a report later on it.
Giotto amigo:
Been reading Giotto's forum from day one, but have not had the pleasure of staying there as I generally go straight down to Phuket. Am planning another Phuket run the week of June 18 and am tempted... really tempted to make it a point to stop over in BKK just to stay at your place! (Hmmm - how come you don't call this forum - Giotto's grotto?).
One thing that's been making me wonder about your place though is - WHERE ARE ALL THE BAD REVIEWS?! I can understand that with the discounts for ISG members, that they;ve got to write a report. Is this ANY report? Or do you hit the delete button for those reports that ain't full of praise? I mean - there's ALWAYS sooooo many things to complain about when staying ANYWHERE! So...?!! Can Livingstone's be the REAL shangrila we're all seeking?
SE Asia Joe
... we both had the same opinion that Giotto's was the best place in the city to stay. Although if in town for work it might be difficult to pull off if you have anyone in your HR or Accounting Department that might question the location of your hotel.Somehow I manage to get away with it, and my boss monitors my travels with interest (he knows me too well). Last time as he was signing my re-imbursements he threw up his hands with a laugh and asked "Why do you always need a double room when you travel? Huh?" I explained that single beds are too small for me. ;)
The thing with Giotto's is it also caters to family clients and business travellers (not only mongers), so there is still the element of "the benefit of the doubt". I'll test this theory soon, as I'm in the process of booking a few nights for myself, wife and daughter for a three night stay at Giotto's as part of a longer trip.
Giotto amigo:
One thing that's been making me wonder about your place though is - WHERE ARE ALL THE BAD REVIEWS?! I can understand that with the discounts for ISG members, that they;ve got to write a report. Is this ANY report? Or do you hit the delete button for those reports that ain't full of praise? I mean - there's ALWAYS sooooo many things to complain about when staying ANYWHERE! So...?!! Can Livingstone's be the REAL shangrila we're all seeking?
SE Asia Joe
I think the clientel at Livingstones is basically self-selected. They read what goes on here and know exactly what to expect. That in itself cuts down on the complaints. But there have been complaints. While mostly minor, Guido and Giotto have responded and made the corrections.
My biggest problem there is that for some reason if I use my AMEX card, in my company expense system Livingstones shows up as a restaurant instead of a hotel. That just flags it in our expense system which is a bit of an annoyance. Hopefully that doesn't happen the next time I show up.
My other problem is my Thai GF has seen the talent in the sports bar and is extremely reluctant to let me stay there, even though she would be right there with me. For some strange reason she doesn't trust me around all of that talent. I can't imagine why.
I think the clientel at Livingstones is basically self-selected. They read what goes on here and know exactly what to expect. That in itself cuts down on the complaints. But there have been complaints. While mostly minor, Guido and Giotto have responded and made the corrections.
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Just wait until I am there in Feb (if he still lets me stay). I am one of the most pragmatic, realistic, skeptical, and some may suggest, stingy twats you will meet. If it isn't worth it, I'll not even entertain it.
Livingstones is twice the price of anywhere I'd stay in Pattaya, and the rest, but then again I understand that Bangkok is expensive, so I'll bear that in mind when I write the report. Women are also more expensive in Bangkok, as are the barfines, so we'll just have to see how the ladies in the lodge can persuade me to part with some bhat.
I bet you're worried now Giotto. I've chosen, through great self-sacrafice of bhat, to stay at your place and do a fair review, based upon my standards. Don't get me wrong, I'll pay for quality, and if the place is anywhere near as good as it is made out to be, then the report will reflect it!
NicFrenchy
06-05-07, 03:23
My other problem is my Thai GF has seen the talent in the sports bar and is extremely reluctant to let me stay there, even though she would be right there with me. For some strange reason she doesn't trust me around all of that talent. I can't imagine why.Maybe it's time to pick a new GF? LOL
Giotto amigo:
Been reading Giotto's forum from day one, but have not had the pleasure of staying there as I generally go straight down to Phuket. Am planning another Phuket run the week of June 18 and am tempted... really tempted to make it a point to stop over in BKK just to stay at your place! (Hmmm - how come you don't call this forum - Giotto's grotto?).
One thing that's been making me wonder about your place though is - WHERE ARE ALL THE BAD REVIEWS?! I can understand that with the discounts for ISG members, that they;ve got to write a report. Is this ANY report? Or do you hit the delete button for those reports that ain't full of praise? I mean - there's ALWAYS sooooo many things to complain about when staying ANYWHERE! So...?!! Can Livingstone's be the REAL shangrila we're all seeking?
SE Asia JoeSE Asia Joe,
LOL - but no, I really do not delete the negative reports. I deleted ONE or TWO reports in all the time, and those were reports from a poster who only wanted to create some trouble.
You will find some criticism about issues in some of the reports. I remember that one of Travellar22 2 weeks ago, there are some issues here at the Lodge, and we are working on those. No Shangrila...
Just come over here, check it out, and write a realistic report with all Pros and Cons. I am the first who will read it, and try to learn, as every day.
Hope to see you soon here at Livingstone's Lodge.
Giotto
I am on my way to Singapore. Leaving today, returning on 07.06.2007, late night.
Will try to write a bit when I stay in Singapore, I had no time here during the past few weeks.
Guido is here, if somebody needs support to find other ISG members. But it is anyway low season, the Lodge is only booked half.
See you when I come back.
Giotto
According to the website, it shows that the price difference between going from superior room to deluxe room is a 45% increase... I was just wondering what the difference between those two rooms are (as I'm preparing an expense report for my trip coming up).
Thanks
PassinThrough
06-05-07, 15:19
Just wait until I am there in Feb (if he still lets me stay). I am one of the most pragmatic, realistic, skeptical, and some may suggest, stingy twats you will meet. If it isn't worth it, I'll not even entertain it.
Livingstones is twice the price of anywhere I'd stay in Pattaya, and the rest, but then again I understand that Bangkok is expensive, so I'll bear that in mind when I write the report. Women are also more expensive in Bangkok, as are the barfines, so we'll just have to see how the ladies in the lodge can persuade me to part with some bhat.
I bet you're worried now Giotto. I've chosen, through great self-sacrafice of bhat, to stay at your place and do a fair review, based upon my standards. Don't get me wrong, I'll pay for quality, and if the place is anywhere near as good as it is made out to be, then the report will reflect it!
the lodge is not a place for cheap people. if you want cheap stay somewhere else. if you value quality and good friendly service then stay there but expect to pay for it. the lodge is not really expensive but you can find cheaper rooms, food and women at other places in Bangkok. knowing this I still stay at the lodge because everyone is great and I like it there. I also prefer to pay more for that service and convience.
as for something negative, have you seen Giotto's legs?
PIT
Surprises didn't stop at my unexpected encounter with "old friend" N. at the Sports Bar. When N. had made sure that I was happy to see her again (which she doubted because I hadn't even recognized her at first) and had extracted my commitment for the night, she revealed that her plans for the night included attending a friend's birthday party and buying something at the night market - once the bar was closed. She promised however to return to my room as quickly as possible. Although that plan sounded kind of crazy, there weren't many other options left because it was actually about closing time anyway. So I said to myself, what the heck, I can wait two or three hours and then there's still a full day tomorrow.
But two hours later (4am now) the only one who kept me company in my room was a mosquito, no sign of N. Another hour later I was bitten, again by a mosquito instead of N. Yet another hour later I was dozing away, cursing myself for agreeing in that plan at all (particulary since N. didn't have a cell phone, so I couldn't even contact her). Recalling trav22's travails with getting laid and some older ghost stories, I began to entertain the idea that someone might have put a curse of celibacy on the Lodge! Mind you, I had been in BKK for more 24 hours by then, and only a HJ at Sazanka was on record.
Time to change that as soon as possible in the morning. To make up for the lost opportunities, I had to step up the quantities. Only a double session would do. I thought about the special offer at Love Teens that Duni had reported, but then decided to give Eden another chance. My last experience there was so-so, but since this visit seemed to be about repeats, why not? Not a very wise choice, I quickly realized when I entered the club. Seeing its line-up of mostly 3- to 4-ish girls - while your mind is still lingering on vivid images of all the lovely ladies at the Sports Bar - doesn't really leave a great impression. But since I was there already, I chose two just acceptable ladies and proceeded to the room. It was quite funny though because this time I had picked *both* girls myself instead of letting the first one choose the other. As it turned out, girl no. 1 was new so that girl no. 2 treated our session as a training opportunity. That didn't improve the atmosphere, but after 90min I could at least leave the place with a sense of relief - though certainly not satisfaction.
Since I still had some hours before I had to catch my flight at 3am, I wasn't too worried that I'd be able to find a proper way of bidding BKK farewell. After a lazy afternoon I left the Lodge to get some cash and when I came back guess who was waiting at the entrance? N., of course! She drank too much last night and apologized profusely. I was still upset but, well, seeing that lovely smile, what could I do? After my all-but-GFE experience at Eden, I wasn't to reject the opportunity to spend a few hours with a girl who could at least remember my name and face ;) Adding another piece of Thai logic, N. then insisted that I barfine her - although it was actually her free day. Whatever, I thought, if that's what it takes for a nice sending-off, that's fine with me. And it was fine indeed ...
Many thanks to Giotto, Guido and the Livingstone staff! I've had a great if somewhat short time at the Lodge and I really liked the place and its people - a little oasis in the middle of the bustling city.
Oh, not to forget: Criticism? OK, here's one: What about more hooks in the bathroom? Would be really useful, for instance to keep your toiletry bag and the plentiful towels (not that I had much problems with the latter given my meager record of stay-over guests, LOL).
as for something negative, have you seen Giotto's legs?
Now that's a big sacrifice...
Maybe it's time to pick a new GF? LOL
I tried to dump her once but ended up in even deeper. I can't really complain. She looks super, is maybe a bit too smart for her own good, speaks excellent english, and lately seems to have put her sex drive into overdrive.
I even think I can trust her. I can call anytime day or night and she is there. She has a phone in her apartment that lets me know she is home. I know her routine and her friends and there is nothing to cause concern.
I keep waiting to find something to prove she is doing me wrong, but in almost three years she has never given me any reason to suspect she is playing me. So while I complain from time to time, I doubt I could do better very easily. I think she is a keeper.
She has a phone in her apartment that lets me know she is home. I know her routine and her friends and there is nothing to cause concern.
Thor, is there "call forwarding" in LOS ?
the lodge is not a place for cheap people. if you want cheap stay somewhere else. if you value quality and good friendly service then stay there but expect to pay for it. the lodge is not really expensive but you can find cheaper rooms, food and women at other places in Bangkok. knowing this I still stay at the lodge because everyone is great and I like it there. I also prefer to pay more for that service and convience.
as for something negative, have you seen Giotto's legs?
PIT
PIT
Thanks for your advice. I'm not actually cheap, just stingy and careful, but from all the reports I have read, Livingstones does seem to offer exceptional service and quality. Therefore, I will treat myself to this and see how the other half live. I'm actually a big softie and am satisfied with simple, functional and clean things, so anything above this will be a bonus. It's just a pity I can only stay a couple of nights, but I'm sure they'll be good ones.
Traveler1234
06-06-07, 00:37
According to the website, it shows that the price difference between going from superior room to deluxe room is a 45% increase... I was just wondering what the difference between those two rooms are (as I'm preparing an expense report for my trip coming up).
Thanks
Difference is size and possibly jacuzzi and shower in larger room. I would suggest booking smaller room and looking at larger room when you arrive...then make final decision (subject to availability at that time).
I usually get deluxe or jr suite, but really not needed. Only time you're in the room is to sleep and of course whatever else you do with your girl(s) in bed :) Unless you're a gymnast, regular superior should be fine.
Aussiebloke453
06-06-07, 09:57
I think the clientel at Livingstones is basically self-selected. They read what goes on here and know exactly what to expect. That in itself cuts down on the complaints. But there have been complaints. While mostly minor, Guido and Giotto have responded and made the corrections.
My biggest problem there is that for some reason if I use my AMEX card, in my company expense system Livingstones shows up as a restaurant instead of a hotel. That just flags it in our expense system which is a bit of an annoyance. Hopefully that doesn't happen the next time I show up.
My other problem is my Thai GF has seen the talent in the sports bar and is extremely reluctant to let me stay there, even though she would be right there with me. For some strange reason she doesn't trust me around all of that talent. I can't imagine why.Is that the case with what shows on the credit card? I am trying be in stealth mode and about to book, prefer to do it as a forum member rather than book through Expedia, Wotif or the like. The later masks typically where you stay rather it shows who you booked through.
I know Goitto is in Singers anyone confirm what show on the credit card statement?
Cheers,
Fleetz
Is that the case with what shows on the credit card? I am trying be in stealth mode and about to book, prefer to do it as a forum member rather than book through Expedia, Wotif or the like. The later masks typically where you stay rather it shows who you booked through.
I know Goitto is in Singers anyone confirm what show on the credit card statement?
Cheers,
FleetzOn my Mastercard statement it said: Living Stones Lodge Bangkok Tha.
Hope that helps, have fun while you are there.
Is that the case with what shows on the credit card? I am trying be in stealth mode and about to book, prefer to do it as a forum member rather than book through Expedia, Wotif or the like. The later masks typically where you stay rather it shows who you booked through.
I know Goitto is in Singers anyone confirm what show on the credit card statement?
Cheers,
Fleetz
The charge card slips from Livingstones just say Livingstones Lodge and give the address. It does not specify what the charge was for. The invoice lists across the top Boutique lodge, steak house, sports lounge, beer garden,Thai restaurant, Pub. The charges are listed seperately with no more detail given then Beverage, Room Charge, Telephone, Laundry, Cocktail, etc. Bar fines show up as Beverage.
So basically you should be fairly clean in putting things on the company expense account. I never did realize though that there was a beer garden there. Next time I shall have to look for it.
My problem was that my corporate AMEX card charge goes directly to my company's expense report system where it is automatically categorized. For some reason in that system it picks up any Livingstones charge as a restaurant instead of hotel. And that makes it difficult for me to properly expense the individual items which creates a flag which calls attention to that charge. And this is one charge I would prefer not to call attention to.
Luckily my boss doesn't pay much attention to the details, but there are those that do.
As I think about it it would be nice to have a database here within ISG that tells us how charge card receipts and invoices look for some of the more popular places around the world so those of us who travel on expense accounts would know where it is safe to charge and where it is not.
Aussiebloke453
06-06-07, 22:41
The charge card slips from Livingstones just say Livingstones Lodge and give the address. It does not specify what the charge was for. The invoice lists across the top Boutique lodge, steak house, sports lounge, beer garden,Thai restaurant, Pub. The charges are listed seperately with no more detail given then Beverage, Room Charge, Telephone, Laundry, Cocktail, etc. Bar fines show up as Beverage.
So basically you should be fairly clean in putting things on the company expense account. I never did realize though that there was a beer garden there. Next time I shall have to look for it.
My problem was that my corporate AMEX card charge goes directly to my company's expense report system where it is automatically categorized. For some reason in that system it picks up any Livingstones charge as a restaurant instead of hotel. And that makes it difficult for me to properly expense the individual items which creates a flag which calls attention to that charge. And this is one charge I would prefer not to call attention to.
Luckily my boss doesn't pay much attention to the details, but there are those that do.
As I think about it it would be nice to have a database here within ISG that tells us how charge card receipts and invoices look for some of the more popular places around the world so those of us who travel on expense accounts would know where it is safe to charge and where it is not.Thanks for that Thor93,
I know you don't see the corporate AMEX statement but if your charge slip shows Livingstones Lodge the the statement should state the same.
Nice to know the BF show up as a Bevvy! (-:
Cheers,
Fleetz
Thanks for that Thor93,
I know you don't see the corporate AMEX statement but if your charge slip shows Livingstones Lodge the the statement should state the same.
Nice to know the BF show up as a Bevvy! (-:
Cheers,
Fleetz
I do get my Corporate AMEX statement. The transfer to the corporate system is electronic. Livingstones Lodge is all that shows normally catergorized as a restaurant instead of hotel.
It is nice when charge card reciepts are very neutral. I like having the company help me make my way. Eden Club's charge receipts say something innocent like Fisherman Club, so it can become a dinner. I know in Germany two of the bigger FKK clubs' receipts say they are restaurants. Since they offer a buffet in addition to the other delights, it is completely legal to put the entry fee as a dinner.
The risk with Livingstones is that a google search does kind of tell the story. You would not want your boss reading up on it. He might wonder about that "friendly" staff in the sports lounge.
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as for something negative, have you seen Giotto's legs?
...PassinThrough,
I just come back from Singapore, tired - and now this. WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY LEGS?
Even Rummenigge (with his sexy knees) would be jealous if he ever saw them... :)
Giotto
I just come back from Singapore, tired - and now this. WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY LEGS?
Giotto
Oh, I don't know! Maybe, this ?
I have a complaint about Livingstone's. It happened a while ago, and I didn't say anything, as I knew that my remarks would be taken very seriously, and might result in a drop in business.
But since someone asked, well, the best way to describe my problem is this way.
I was sitting on the pot, having my morning constitutional, after a nice BBBJ, reading the paper, I reached over, and what did I see?
Following up on the previous reports reg. the credit card text on slips and statement:
We plan to change that text to:
Livingstones Lodge Co., Ltd.
Categorized as: Boutique Lodge (and that is the problem, we don't know whether that is possible)
Any other ideas?
Of course we cannot prevent any readers of typing that into Google and find information about the Lodge...
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
BTW: I just typed in Livingstones Bangkok into Google, and nothing really worrying for business travellers appears on the first google pages - I would not be too worried.
Giotto
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Oh, not to forget: Criticism? OK, here's one: What about more hooks in the bathroom? Would be really useful, for instance to keep your toiletry bag and the plentiful towels (not that I had much problems with the latter given my meager record of stay-over guests, LOL).
...Yin Yang,
Thanks for your report.
Yes, you are right, hooks - we have them here in the office already, since approx. 7 months! We all forgot, good that you complain.
We also have DVD players here for all Deluxe / Junior Suites / Executive Suite ... and they are still not installed.
Lousy Lodge.
Giotto
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I was sitting on the pot, having my morning constitutional, after a nice BBBJ, reading the paper, I reached over, and what did I see?Mr. Vice President,
LOL. But - this is a special service only for Vice Presidents...
Giotto
I just come back from Singapore, tired - and now this. WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY LEGS?
Giotto
Don't worry, G. If you inspect the rooms upstairs more often, they'll soon look like this. Not sure if playing pool has the same effect though ...
YY
Just thought I'd add that on the Livingstone's website, everything seems to work except for the menus for each restaurant listing.
I know it's not that important, but I'm on a special diet and I wanted to see if the items on the menu were 'okay' for my health!
-Byung
Don't worry, G. If you inspect the rooms upstairs more often, they'll soon look like this. Not sure if playing pool has the same effect though ...
YYYin Yang,
Thanks for the picture, clearly my legs :) !
Giotto
Just had a very special room request: Babysitter needed for some nights, in which father wants to "relax".
Yes.
Somebody volunteers?
Giotto
Just had a very special room request: Babysitter needed for some nights, in which father wants to "relax".
Yes.
Somebody volunteers?
GiottoOkay, I'll 'out' myself on this one. I'll be staying a few nights with my 2 y.o. (Wildcat cannot come due to her own travel and work arrangements). I PMd Giotto asking about a reliable babysitter for a few hours each evening. He came up with an excellent solution (which does NOT require volunteers, thanks very much. ;) Looking forward to the visit.
Okay, I'll 'out' myself on this one. I'll be staying a few nights with my 2 y.o. (Wildcat cannot come due to her own travel and work arrangements). I PMd Giotto asking about a reliable babysitter for a few hours each evening. He came up with an excellent solution (which does NOT require volunteers, thanks very much. ;) Looking forward to the visit.Pipeman,
Bestard!
This is not what I intended. We call delete all this reports :) ... but may be it is fun for others.
I will find a babysitter...for sure. I know one woman out there who has a kid. Another woman has no kid, and she has time to take care of your 2 y.o. .
And then I am free! Can go out! Freedom!!!
Giotto
A nice babysitter for the 2 year old is what is needed, Giotto, but don't forget that the Daddy will need a Bad Babysitter too !
Pipeman,
Bestard!
This is not what I intended. We call delete all this reports :) ... but may be it is fun for others.
I will find a babysitter...for sure. I know one woman out there who has a kid. Another woman has no kid, and she has time to take care of your 2 y.o. .
And then I am free! Can go out! Freedom!!!
Giotto
M P Lurker
06-09-07, 09:30
Mick Licker,
Discount? Discount, what is that :) ???
Serious now: If the girl is OK with that you talk to the Mamasan and make a deal. We do not give any discounts on the income sources of our girls - they have to decide.
Giotto
Wasn't a good idea to let slip when my next trip to Thailand is coming.
Could be a sticky situation one day if two forum members both want to barfine Miss J for days on end.
Obviously she will decide what she wants.
Pittsdaulga
06-09-07, 19:59
Pool Party
I just got back to the states and I’m now simi recovered from the jet lag. So over the next couple days you should see more of my reports and adventures.
I believe my last report I left off at the pool party 5/26/07. So let me tell you about it. It was a blast. My friends and I started the evening by meeting our new friend and his girl for dinner. He and his Girl ‘T’ already had a number of dishes laid out for the sampling. They have great food at Livingstones! I’m not one for salads, but those spicy salads are awesome! Shortly after we were finishing up dinner, our host took the stage to start the fashion show. The girls from the Sports Bar had dressed in Swim wear for the evening and paraded around the pool side two at a time as our host called them down. Now I can’t remember exactly which order what happened, perhaps PIT can shed some light on this, but I was introduced to a very cute girl ‘W’. She had such a beautiful smile, it melted my heart. She could light up all of Bangkok with that smile. There was a language barrier but with the help of PIT’s girl, we were able to squeak by. She was very shy. If memory serves, my larger friend was content with himself and my other buddy, Big Vig was with the same girl from the night before. To be quite frank, I could care less what they were doing, as my attention was on ‘W’ and ‘T’s friends.
PIT, our new found friend, went out to the street at some point to bring back some desert. He had come back with I believe was three bags of something. Turns out it was some Ants, fried grasshoppers and some very, very large beetles. I’ve always been one to try anything at least once so I was game. The girls seemed amused with our expressions as we tried each of the bugs. I think I liked the Grasshoppers the most. The Gin and Tonics certainly helped them go down;.) but in hindsight I should have ordered a Grasshopper to go with the Grasshoppers. All in all, I like bugs now.
As the night went on, we drank, joked around and had a great time. My large companion tried in vain to take pictures of the evening, but kept producing blurry or dark pictures. I’m glad PIT was there to take a couple good ones. Thanks PIT! I think we were the last table to leave. ‘T’ left with 2 or 3 of her friends around 1-2am to go clubbing, my buddies decided to go out I think to Soi Cowboy, PIT was going to pass out or just chill, so as I retired to my room with ‘W’ to relax. I sit here now at work as I write this and can’t help thinking of that smile of hers. What an evening to remember.
Thank you Livingstones!
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Pool Party
I just got back to the states and I’m now simi recovered from the jet lag. So over the next couple days you should see more of my reports and adventures.
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Thank you Livingstones!
Pittsdaulga,
Yes, the last Swimming Pool Party was OK. It is not always like that, it depends a lot on the reactions and mood of the customers. But when the right group of people is here we really have fun.
We had a meeting with the girls on Saturday, before the Maids Party. 45 girls ... getting more and more. Don't know how they find us, but obviously the word of mouth is spreading around that our bar is fun and has customers.
Bangkok is very quiet in the moment. The waether is normal for the season now, sunny during the day, and some showers in the night. And it is really hot.
Thanks for all your reports, also those in the Bangkok thread. It feels good that you really enjoyed your stay here at Livingstone's.
Giotto
A nice babysitter for the 2 year old is what is needed, Giotto, but don't forget that the Daddy will need a Bad Babysitter too !Excess,
I will take care of that. I can be a professional babysitter - sometimes :) !
Giotto
SE Asia Joe
06-11-07, 06:11
Talking about credit cards -
I've just booked in to Livingstone's arriving June 19 - and I gave my eLink credit card - which is issued specifically for internet purchases which does NOT have a physical card issued. And even so, I sent 2 e-mails, breaking up the card info into 2 separate ones.
The reason why I did this is that I've only used my credit card twice in Thailand - and BOTH times, I had my credit card "compromised." I.e. they cloned my card. Although my credit card company ate all the losses, it was still VERY inconvenient as I had to actually do all the paperwork and rigamarole. Direct debits for monthly charges were especially onerous with my phone even being suspended for a while for non-payment!
Anyway, the questions are
1. What have you guys' experience been with credit cards in Thailand?
2. What safeguards have Livingstone's put in to protect credit cards?
And BTW - for all those guys with their Corporate Credit cards and worries about how charges appear - my-oh-my - I was envious as I had no shoes - till I met somebody with no feet! How I wish I could make corporate charges!!
SE Asia Joe
Talking about credit cards -
I've just booked in to Livingstone's arriving June 19 - and I gave my eLink credit card - which is issued specifically for internet purchases which does NOT have a physical card issued. And even so, I sent 2 e-mails, breaking up the card info into 2 separate ones.
The reason why I did this is that I've only used my credit card twice in Thailand - and BOTH times, I had my credit card "compromised." I.e. they cloned my card.
Although my credit card company ate all the losses, it was still VERY inconvenient as I had to actually do all the paperwork and rigamarole. Direct debits for monthly charges were especially onerous with my phone even being suspended for a while for non-payment!
Anyway, the questions are
1. What have you guys' experience been with credit cards in Thailand?
2. What safeguards have Livingstone's put in to protect credit cards?
And BTW - for all those guys with their Corporate Credit cards and worries about how charges appear - my-oh-my - I was envious as I had no shoes - till I met somebody with no feet! How I wish I could make corporate charges!!
SE Asia JoeOn this trip to Thailand I had my card cloned. Whatever that is. Since I live in Nigeria, I put my credit card company on high alert. If they see anything out of the ordinary, it gets blocked. So when they saw purchases made in China, it got blocked. If you can avoid, don't use direct debit. When paying the bill this gives you the chance of checking and complaining.
What surprised me the most, I have two cards. On this trip I used one for the Hotels and the other for pruchases (I used this to pay in gogo bars and other shady places). The card that got cloned was the one used in the Hotels (all 4* or above)!
I do wonder.
I did not use email to give my credit card info; I phoned it in since Giotto vouched for the receptionists at that time. Livingstone's was the only place at which I used credit card in Thailand. So I can't speak for credit card usage in Thailand in general, but I think of Thailand as being like the Philippines in that they are generally not safe places for credit card usage. One exception in my mind is that you can usually trust the better hotels.
When living in Thailand I used credit cards extensively for all sorts of things (including supermarkets, restuarants etc). I think I would've probably avoided using them in those dodgy Sukhumvit suit shops, Khao San travel agents etc (easier to go the the ATM and get cash).
That being said, I did have one fraudulant transaction during that time, some stuff in another SE Asian country to which I've never been.
I've had more hassles with fraud in Europe frankly - a card only used in the UK and France has had fraudulant transactions on it about once a year over the last 5 years - often in countries I have never been to. The banks are good about it and invariably credit my account as soon as I report it, then go forward and investigate it. I've never been contacted again after reporting it, so I can only assume their investigations were successful. I don't know if people do, but I've never falsely reported anything either, so I wonder if they have a batch of stuff reported that came from the same vendor and know I am telling the truth.
The bigger problem I find is having your card blocked on suspicion of fraud. I managed to get mine blocked about 5 times in a year once and had to ring them to sort it out - no easy task in some countries when you need money urgently and don't have a phone. As a matter of routine, if I have been out of Europe for more than 2 months, I cancel all my cards and have them reissued... this is to stop the bank putting a hold on them for suspected fraud rather than trying to avoid fraud itself.
I did not use email to give my credit card info; I phoned it in since Giotto vouched for the receptionists at that time. Livingstone's was the only place at which I used credit card in Thailand. So I can't speak for credit card usage in Thailand in general, but I think of Thailand as being like the Philippines in that they are generally not safe places for credit card usage. One exception in my mind is that you can usually trust the better hotels.
Pittsdaulga
06-12-07, 06:12
All,
I'm pretty tired so here's some quick tips.
1.) Call you Bank or Card Co and tell them when and where you are going so they won't block you by mistake.
2.) Get the numbers of your banks/CC Co and hours so you can keep in touch if needed.
3.) Just use cash from ATMs as much as you can. The only time I used my debit card was at Livingstones. (BTW Giotto, thanks for not popping up a bunch of pre-auths on the card)
4.) When using your card at ATMs make sure people are not too close. Watch out for camera phones as well. They'll take a pic of the card number and try to remember your PIN.
5.) If you are useing a debit card, ask you bank for a plain ATM card as well. Keep this hidden in case you loose your card or it becomes compromised. Have it linked to a Savings or another checking and quickly move your remaining funds to the back up account.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. G'Night.
Pitts
ArchieLeach
06-13-07, 23:29
I second everything Pitts and Blunderer just said.
That's exactly what I do.
And I too have had more problems in the US than elsewhere, so I don't think it's just a SE Asia problem. I just canceled a credit card three days ago for fraud, and was irritated to have to do so because that's three times in three years (all US problems).
You definitely want to tell them where you're going though, or they'll block you for sure.
And I try to use ATMs as much as possible.
Unfortunately, I won't make it to Giotto's on my next trip to Australia. The deciding factor was Royal Brunei airfare being US$700 cheaper than Thai Airways. But it seems there are some fun places to try out on the Brunei stop-overs. I've made Giotto an offer too good to refuse - let's call it "Industry Research" ;)
Unfortunately, I won't make it to Giotto's on my next trip to Australia. The deciding factor was Royal Brunei airfare being US$700 cheaper than Thai Airways. But it seems there are some fun places to try out on the Brunei stop-overs. I've made Giotto an offer too good to refuse - let's call it "Industry Research" ;)
Royal Brunei is an interesting airline. They will pray over the PA prior to take off, and there is no booze on board. Dont know what the current regulations are at DXB to carry on liquids, but if you can, bring a flask of "smooth leg opening tequila" with you. You might be able to tempt those lovely FAs into a romp on the toilet seat in the back.
Unfortunately, I won't make it to Giotto's on my next trip to Australia. The deciding factor was Royal Brunei airfare being US$700 cheaper than Thai Airways. But it seems there are some fun places to try out on the Brunei stop-overs. I've made Giotto an offer too good to refuse - let's call it "Industry Research" ;)Pipeman,
Sounds good. Let's look for the place where we build another Livingstone's Lodge.
See you there!
Giotto
Fat Bestard
06-14-07, 23:25
Pipeman,
Sounds good. Let's look for the place where we build another Livingstone's Lodge.
See you there!
GiottoCan I have a job? =) I can introduce lean, find a way to reduce the time it takes the girls to get drunk and disrobe. =)
Can I have a job? =) I can introduce lean, find a way to reduce the time it takes the girls to get drunk and disrobe. =)Fat Bestard,
Stop, stop, stop ... why do you want my job????
Giotto
Fat Bestard
06-16-07, 03:42
Fat Bestard,
Stop, stop, stop ... why do you want my job?
GiottoPhysics. Its impossible to be at 2 places at once, although I'm sure you can cum twice in one place. ;)
Member #4655
06-16-07, 10:39
report on stay in bkk from an isg noobie. a little late but i have been busy in dubai see my posts on the dubai threads.
landed at bkk at midnight into a tropical storm, lightning thunder and rain, rain and rain. negotiated cab system at new airport no problems cost me 350b meter plus tolls.
arrived soi sarm sip sarm (soi 33, learnt from the forum!) about one o’clock. the team welcomed me at livingstone’s like a long lost friend all smiles and umbrellas. checked into my junior suite. this was my first visit to livingston’s. usually stay at the grande sheraton sukumvit when company paying! really impressed. room in the new wing, beautiful polished floors. big bed crisp clean sheets, good ac. bathroom had a huge spa about the size of santa’s sleigh. thought that sucker might take off for the north pole at any time. speaking of poles mine was in need of attention.
down to the sports bar navigating the rain with help of umbrella bearers. great set up in the bar not many blokes and about 20 girls. chatted to mama san for a bit. then at 1.30am all the girls headed for the locker room to go home. made a snap decision on a cute little poppet and we headed up to my room i was knackered so looking forward to a lingering bbbj then fs and sleep.
unfortunately in my hurry had broken the cardinal rule of mongering, ask all questions up front. she didn’t like bbbj and would not do it. thought about turfing her out but settled for a fs session. doggy up against that round, brown bum almost made up for lack of mouth action. woke at 7.00am popped her again then sent her home and had a kip.
day one:
enjoyed my breakfast by the pool as i sat and planned my two-day stop over.
headed out for annie’s for a soapy. picked a great looker from the fishbowl about 20 girls there. enjoyed every minute. got me over the line twice no mean achievement after my morning’s exertions.
went to see my regular tailor at river city ordered some clothes did some shopping then home to the hotel. little maxwell was planning a big session with some sports bar girls but after a great meal poolside of spring rolls, larb and few beers and the old body caved in and decided to sleep. 14 hours later woke up!!
day two:
down for an early breakfast i was first up. giotto in singapore so didn’t hook up with any fellow mongers staying over.
decided to try bjb [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s to take the sting out of things. took the sky train to nana and then found soi 8 based on forum directions (giotto’s report was my bible on this trip!). sat and had a cold kloster beer in the lounge area then went up with a little honey i picked from a good selection sitting outside in the street. short skirts and winning smiles. upstairs she did the business in fine style. tipped her 200b and she gave me a great back rub as we sat at the bar and i had a second beer.
after some lunch decided i needed a foot massage. went to a little street-side place near soi 7. it was heaven an hour of gentle massage for 250b. she moved north from my feet did my arms back, neck. few times her elbow nudged little maxy but he was dozing quietly after his morning exertions so we stayed with massage. drank some lemon tea tipped her 25b (didn’t seem much but was 10% headed home to hotel feeling great.
that evening headed out to cowboy for a beer and a feed of street food about 6ish. sat and chatted to the french guy running baccarat for a bit then headed to jungle jims. had read in forum that hand and even head jobs may be available in the bar and was curious. wanted to get back to livingstone’s sports bar later but felt like exploring cowboy a bit first.
jungle jims was crowded but only with girls and me, it was still early. two honeys sat either side on me and immediately started rubbing little max. he answered the call. one was 20 years old the other 28, both 8s in short skirts, my favorite!
serious hand action from 28 had me on the edge. apparently the laws have changed so now no hjs in the bar you have to go upstairs. 28 had her hand deep inside my strides and was making good progress getting to know little maxy. was still considering heading back to sports bar but after a while little maxy won and we all headed upstairs. 400b bf for each of the girls plus a couple of lady drinks 90b each and two beers for me at 95b each and away we went. girls cost 1000 b each. didn’t negotiate, as this seemed good to me.
we went up three flights of stairs to a hot attic area. had a shower with the girls then into a room with a massive and very hard bed and the world’s largest and noisiest air con unit.
great session, super attitude from the girls bbbj, from both then daty on the shaved one, the other one was too woolly for my liking. then a solid pounding of first one then the other with condom changes in between. they had obviously worked together before they were like an f1 pit crew, never missed a beat.
second coming (as they say in the good book) needed oil and hands. the older one also rubbed some of the oil into the younger one’s flange which made the fingering much more fun. a little manual labour and little max was happy again. they wanted tequilas when we got downstairs but told them next time tipped them 100b each and left. home to bed for this old guy, missed the sports bar again.
day three:
woke up horny (normal!) went back to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s and saw same girl as yesterday for a great bbbj. then off shopping. fly out at 1 am so got a half-day rate from noon until 2200 for half room price no problem.
had a beer with giotto by the pool. a quick rest then felt the need for some companionship and a massage, feeling a bit stiff in the back (and in the tweeds!). down to the sports bar about 8.30pm. great scene with only a few customers but lots of girls in stylish thai dresses. picked a pretty one with big tits (unusual in los) for a short time rate. upstairs bbbj (superb skills) then daty and fs. short break then second pop and she headed home. i headed to the airport in a cab (250b).
livingstone’s is great and i will never stay anywhere else in bkk. superb location near the sky train and the soi 33 bars plus cowboy and nana are a stop away on the bs train. next time i plan to take better advantage of the on-site girls. junior suite fine but had a peek at the regular rooms and they are plenty big enough unless you plan lots of activity in the spa.
have been to bkk many times but this was one of the best. it was so good to be out of the american style business hotel scene. heading to dubai for seven days will keep you guys posted on the dxb.
maxwell
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Member #4655
06-18-07, 14:34
Staying at Livingstones on way home from DXB but had a few hours free in middle of the day during a huge rain storm so decided to try Teen Massage in Soi 33. Jujst down the road from the hotel.
TM was having a real slow day due the weather so they were offering a 1000 b special two girls for "Oil and Ball". Sorry guys had to ask what the Ball was. The obvious of course, slow massage of the goose eggs. Not reallly my thing but seems to be popular.
Picked my girls from a photo album. Good clear pics and when they arrived they were a good likeness. Mine had the unlikley names of Golf and Rose. Of course neither girl ahd a show of pronouncing these words. Sounded like Rolf and Loase. I guess they give them these names for our benefit not theirs.
The special also included the use of the VIP room. it was OK actually. Big with a raised spa bath and a big bed. Decorated in a christmas in thailand style with coloured tinsle, streamers and beaucoup plastic orchids.
Downstairs in the VIP the girls gave me a quick soap up in a spa bath then onto the bed. They kept their bras on and a towel on the bottom half during an oil up of back then front sides. This pissed me off a bit as it was a bit of an effort for them to keep the towels from dropping off. clearly doing it to keep me in suspense and to put the pressure on when they tried to get me to trade up for BBBJ and FS. Why bother I was going to take the eoption anyway.
When little Maxy got all eager and energetic they offered me some sexercise. 1500THB each. Knocked them down to 1000THB each. Rose had great tits and was 20 Golf a real GFE girl was 25.
Drank a beer or two at 80THB each, plugged the girls once, then quick wash and off into the evening.
Well Teen Massage did an Ok job, clean place, pretty girls but expensive for a relativley short session. Not sure I will go back in a hurry.
Heading down to the Sports Bar to find the same hunny as last night to snuggle up to. Not sure I will be up for much activity but a nice brown bum makes good company.
Maxwell
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TM was having a real slow day due the weather so they were offering a 1000 b special two girls for "Oil and Ball". Sorry guys had to ask what the Ball was. The obvious of course, slow massage of the goose eggs. Not reallly my thing but seems to be popular.
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Maxwell 100,
oh, the prices are dropping - I am not surprised, we are really in the deepest low season. Even the Sports Lounge has not too many customers in the moment.
Teens - yes, the feedback i get is still very mixed. But obviously they try ti improve.
Thanks for staying at the Lodge.
Giotto
NicFrenchy
06-20-07, 08:26
TM was having a real slow day due the weather so they were offering a 1000 b special two girls for "Oil and Ball". Not so Special, really.
Nowadays, Balls massage costs an extra 100 on top of the Massage fee.
If you take a girl for 1 hour oil, it's 400.
So 2 girls Oily + 2 balls massage gets you in the 1000 ballpark.
I fail to see where the Special price comes in? maybe they upgraded you to the VIP room (which you can get free anyhow when it is a slow day).
Which Teen Massage did you actually go to? Teen1? with the VIP in the basement?
Indo Phile
06-20-07, 15:56
Indo Phile staying at Livingstone's and very happy. Good place, clean, good location. Staff very friendly, all departments. Definitely recommended. Indo Phile will return.
SE Asia Joe
06-20-07, 18:23
OK call me cheap - and I really wonder myself.... the things I do for a lousy THB1,000!! But here's my report - short and sweet and honest...with a promise to Guido that I will write a longer one when i get back home.
OK - the Lodge. Wellll... at first I was not all that impressed... what with having not had any sleep for 18 hours.... travelling and then playing golf as soon as I arrived in Bangkok.. and then checking in and finding out at 1 am that the lights in my room could not be switched Off!! Can you imagine... and then having to switch room??
But I gotta tell you... all handled very gracefully by Guido who then gave me another room to sleep in whilst still keeping my other room. Try that in any other hotels!
Ok gotta make this short - gotta run to the costume party night at the ??? whatever they call the place in the lodge. Will report more like I said - but if you guys have any specifics - you can either write here or messge me!!
Now.... for enjoyment
SE Asia Joe
OK call me cheap - and I really wonder myself.... the things I do for a lousy THB1,000!!... If you skip the drinks and wait until midnight, it will pay you the barfine. If you drink, it might not be enough even for that.
Not so Special, really.
Nowadays, Balls massage costs an extra 100 on top of the Massage fee.
If you take a girl for 1 hour oil, it's 400.
So 2 girls Oily + 2 balls massage gets you in the 1000 ballpark.
I fail to see where the Special price comes in? maybe they upgraded you to the VIP room (which you can get free anyhow when it is a slow day).
Which Teen Massage did you actually go to? Teen1? with the VIP in the basement?
I also took the 1K baht special, but unlike Maxwell100, both the girls sandwiched me nude with a lot of action in the jacuzzi. In my experience it was worth it. This is at Love Teens Massage a few meters down from the Lodge.
Indo Phile staying at Livingstone's and very happy. Good place, clean, good location. Staff very friendly, all departments. Definitely recommended. Indo Phile will return.Indo Phile,
LOL, thanks.
Another ISG guy who stayed here, and I did not even meet him.
Giotto
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OK - the Lodge. Wellll... at first I was not all that impressed... what with having not had any sleep for 18 hours.... travelling and then playing golf as soon as I arrived in Bangkok.. and then checking in and finding out at 1 am that the lights in my room could not be switched Off!! Can you imagine... and then having to switch room??
But I gotta tell you... all handled very gracefully by Guido who then gave me another room to sleep in whilst still keeping my other room. Try that in any other hotels!
SE Asia Joe,
Thanks for your report.
Ha, there we have a case, not everything is good here at the Lodge. You arrived, and the dimmer in your room was broken, nobody could switch the light off. We should have found that before - but our maids had not discovered the problem yet.
This is the reality here. Many small problems every day. But we all try to do our best to fix things as fast as we can, and to make the stay of a customer as convenient as possible.
If only the dimmers would listen to us :) ...
Giotto
We changed the name which will be printed on the slips and the invoices. It is
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
from now on.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
When to Sports bar last night. Met the famous Giotto and his 'famous' legs. Introduce my nick and we chatted for awhile.Nice to meet a fellow ISG member and also to be recognised. Plan to stay there for my Aug/Sept trip since July is a trip with HM thus will be staying at the Davis.
Wasn't much of a crowd this being a low season. My friend and I spend a few hours there. There were some lookers there and the girls there are not very pushy which is good and they are friendly and cheerful.One came and chatted with us and she wasn't much of a looker and our interest for the night was just to check things out, chat and talk some business.I had problem understanding her but she should be commended for trying to engage with us. Called over a Miss K since this other girl wasn't doing it for me and bought her her few drinks.She was good to chat with.Overall a good night, my friend ended up with some DFK with the no so good looking girl, just tells you what a few beers can do to you. I do like how the bar guys have learned the 'Thai' sign language that Giotto was using to get a few drinks for us.
Have a business dinner later tonight and plan to go to Sports bar after that and maybe bar fine a girl and have a good time hopefully.
When to Sports bar last night. Met the famous Giotto and his 'famous' legs. Introduce my nick and we chatted for awhile.Nice to meet a fellow ISG member and also to be recognised. Plan to stay there for my Aug/Sept trip since July is a trip with HM thus will be staying at the Davis.
Wasn't much of a crowd this being a low season. Acerboy,
Thanks for visiting the Lodge (and my legs. What the hell is wrong with my legs :) ? ).
Yes, it is definitely boring in the moment, really low season. Even the last weekend was not as crowded as usual. Hopefully this will change this weekend - Swimming Pool Party.
Hope to see you then again when you come back to Bangkok!
Giotto
Acerboy,
Thanks for visiting the Lodge (and my legs. What the hell is wrong with my legs :) ? ).
Hope to see you then again when you come back to Bangkok!
GiottoI wasn't paying much attention to it other than reading about it. Was checking out the girls and their legs. You were not my type. :) I did bar fine a girl last night. Wasn't great but wasn't bad.
Yes I'll be back and will need you to make some arrangements if I bring my gf along. See you soon and yeah those legs too...He He.
I wasn't paying much attention to it other than reading about it. Was checking out the girls and their legs. You were not my type. :) I did bar fine a girl last night. Wasn't great but wasn't bad.
Yes I'll be back and will need you to make some arrangements if I bring my gf along. See you soon and yeah those legs too...He He.Acerboy,
what does that mean now - I was not your type? You see what happened - you bar fined somebody else, and ... :) !!!
gf, gf, gf, arrangements ... YES!!! I know what you mean! There are some bars on yhe "Boyzone"! No problem!
Giotto
(Damned, I think after this report I lost all support in KL.)
gf, gf, gf, arrangements ... YES!!! I know what you mean! There are some bars on yhe "Boyzone"! No problem!Boyzone! ? WTF is wrong with you man. I want a FFM and that is what my gf likes as well. Yeah don't come to KL, I'll arrange a cute boy for you. : the Just kidding lo. I'll be back in Aug/Sept. Pm me if you are coming to KL. Will introduce a few isg members to you and we can have drinks and they can all check out your legs. LOL.
Boyzone! ? WTF is wrong with you man. I want a FFM and that is what my gf likes as well. ...Acerboy,
FFM - what could that be? Full F*** Massage :) ?
Giotto
At the airport at the moment, will be at the lodge again in a few hours, can't wait.
I think I have a girl already "pre-reserved" for me as well.
Now, that is what I call service!
...I think I have a girl already "pre-reserved" for me as well.
Now, that is what I call service!The World,
welcome back. I think I just saw you sitting in the Sports Lounge? But not with that girl we talked about :) ... BESTARD!!!
Anyway - have fun.
Giotto
The World,
welcome back. I think I just saw you sitting in the Sports Lounge? But not with that girl we talked about :) ... BESTARD!!!
Anyway - have fun.
Giotto
Hi, yes, said hello to you briefly, but you were busy playing pool. "pre-reserved" girl was chatting to another customer when i arrived, so i ended up chatting to another girl. did speak to "pre-reserved" girl as well, however new girl was not too keen on me taking two girls ("pre-reserved" girl was fine with that). Will probably be with "pre-reserved" girl and one of her friends tonight after the pool party tonight.
Will right a full report once you sort out the wi-fi in the rooms (have spoke to reception about this).
Landed into BKK at around midnight and was at Livingstones before 1am (yes, damn impressive from landing to arriving to my final destination!)
Dumped my bags and headed straight for the bar. Plan was that my pre-reserved girl would be waiting for me. Seems there was a bit of mis-communication, since she thought I would be coming at 9ish and was now with another customer. No worries, sh*t happens. In any case I ended up talking to a very cute girl with braces (for some reason I think braces on a girl looks kinda cute, yes, I know I'm a bit of a freak at times). Had some fun chatting to her, nice girl. Very new (only been working at the bar for a month) and didn't know much English. Looks wise I would give her a 7 and same for attitude.
Pre-reserved girl comes and joins us after he customer goes. All three of us carry on chatting. Good catching up with pre-reserved girl and having fun with new girl as well. This is life!! Naturally I want to take both of them back upstairs. However new girl not too keen on that idea (pre-reserved girl normally doesn't do that either, but has done so in the past for me twice). In the end I end up taking new girl, cause I'll see pre-reserved gril the next day in the evening. Did get a bit of tounging on the go with pre-reserved girl before she went home though.
Oh before I forget it was some special night last night, so the girls were wearing traditional outfits, looked very nice.
Back to story. We went up to the room. I have to say new girl was very shy. Took a little while for her to start tounging me. I have say kissing a girl with braces is pretty nice (yes, again, I know I'm a freak). She had small tits, but very nice small nipples as well. New girl didn't let me shower with her, bit annoyed, but I wasn't too fussed. I was very very tired, after working 14 hour days for the past week, I mean I was more concerned that due to lack of sleep I wouldn't be able to perform (suffice to say that wasn't an issue).
Anyway after showering we hit the sack. It took a bit of persuasion for new girl to take her towel off so I could play with her. We was very shy for me not to see her pussy area, why I don't know. I think she was worried I would see some scarring. Anyway we fooled around. She did give a very very nice BJ and there was a bit of deep throating and gagging going on. Was able to slip a few fingers in and she was soaking wet. Ah to be back in Thailand!! I then put the coat on and got down to business. The sex was pretty good, she made all the right sounds and was happy with various positions. I finished off by cumming on her face (I don't think she was expecting that). When I came, some of my stuff went up her nose. That didn't go down too well!! I did apologise and she forgave me! At this point I was exhausted, so after she had showered up she gave me a massage and I got some well earned rest. Got up in the morning and had some more fun with her before she left. As I had come straight from the airport with just enough baht for my taxi, I didn't have any more cash. I told the girl that I would walk down to the ATM with her and give her the cash. She was nice enough to say not to worry about it and pay her the next evening.
All in all a good start to my short trip at Livingstone!!
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Plan was that my pre-reserved girl would be waiting for me. Seems there was a bit of mis-communication, since she thought I would be coming at 9ish and was now with another customer. No worries, sh*t happens.
...
Oh before I forget it was some special night last night, so the girls were wearing traditional outfits, looked very nice.
...
The World,
No mis-communication, we had informed that specific girl that you would arrive late - she simply had some drinks with another customer and could not leave him immediately when you arrived - that's all. But as you know she came over after the customer left.
Fridays is always "Thai Traditional" day in the Sports Lounge, the girls dressed in traditional Thai clothes. I also like it, it really looks great. And many customers do either.
Good to hear that you had some fun, though things developed differently from what was ogirinally planned.
Giotto
The World,
No mis-communication, we had informed that specific girl that you would arrive late - she simply had some drinks with another customer and could not leave him immediately when you arrived - that's all. But as you know she came over after the customer left.
Fridays is always "Thai Traditional" day in the Sports Lounge, the girls dressed in traditional Thai clothes. I also like it, it really looks great. And many customers do either.
Good to hear that you had some fun, though things developed differently from what was ogirinally planned.
Giotto
Not a problem at all, fun was had by all.
In any case last night involved both "pre-reserved girl" and new girl together, so things worked out better than originally planned!
Badboy9613
07-01-07, 11:41
Well, I recieved my booking confirmation for Livingstone's Aug28th through Sept 6th. Can't wait. A group of 4 of us headed for a little are & are. Look forward to meeting you Giotto!
Well, I recieved my booking confirmation for Livingstone's Aug28th through Sept 6th. Can't wait. A group of 4 of us headed for a little are & are. Look forward to meeting you Giotto!Oh my god,
the next bad boy is coming... :) !
Giotto
...and it started to rain, at 7:30 pm, last Saturday. Heavy rain until 9 pm.
That was it for the Swimming Pool Party. No catwalk, fashion show, action in the pool - simply nothing. No customer around the pool, the Sports Lounge sometimes full, but basically - the lousiest Swimming Pool Party ever.
We hope for a better next time.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Tamurlane26
07-02-07, 17:47
The joy of working late is the ability to plug in the ipod switch out the background and read news from old friends - to whit we turn to Giotto for memories in the night.
What sweet memories but then again with a prospect of a week in Saudi Arabia - with the attendant lamb eating sessions and having to kiss strange men - is there nothing sacrosanct anymore. To cap it all a visit to Dubai is to be ruined before it starts as an old family friend has insisted on me spending my freedom there. What no Piper and no Rattlesnake and no Cyclone.
And worse no ISG in Saudi to amuse me.
Woe is my life and yet there is a glimmer of hope the fingers have moved to the Air Asia website - where will this lead !
Watch this space and once again thanks to Giotto and his team for all the memories and wonders of the night.
Until the next time !
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What sweet memories but then again with a prospect of a week in Saudi Arabia - with the attendant lamb eating sessions and having to kiss strange men - is there nothing sacrosanct anymore. To cap it all a visit to Dubai is to be ruined before it starts as an old family friend has insisted on me spending my freedom there. What no Piper and no Rattlesnake and no Cyclone.
And worse no ISG in Saudi to amuse me.
...
Tamurlane26,
LOL, Saudi Arabia. Understand that you miss Pipeman then ... btw., Cyclone is closed, isn't it?
My Singlish friend, you need a break, URGENTLY! Will prepare the dungeon for you :) !
Giotto
SE Asia Joe
07-03-07, 06:26
Ok guys:
The real low down - with apologies to Giotto/Guido for perhaps making plain/debunking some of the mystique that has been "created" about the Lodge. Straight and factual - and hopefully my report will help others here if indeed the Lodge should be where they stay at in Bangkok.
- You get what you pay for: – The lodge is NOT cheap compared to what else is available in Bangkok – ESPECIALLY during the slow season now (Is an OK deal during high season!) But on the other hand, it is not overly expensive especially if you consider that you will NOT be ripped off. Everything is quite above board and you can pretty well ask how much anything is and get quoted a price – and its up to you if you want to take it or not. This is especially useful if you’re a relative newbie in Bangkok (and Asia!!). The bar fine is THB1,500 before midnight, 1,000 up to 1:00 am and it’s 700 after that. The girls all have their own prices ranging from 2,000 upwards – and it’s up to you to make your own deal. Drinks are I would say, about 00-50% more than at comparable places (prices can and will vary in Bangkok).
- The rooms: Very basic and STILL NO HOOKS in the bathroom! And at THB1,800 is quite small and cheaply furnished. I especially hate the bedside lights – which, whilst some may consider to be quite ‘ethnic’ (??), serves no useful purpose at all (10 -15 watt bulbs?) and looks very schlocky. And the matching light fixtures on the mirror? YUCK! And I cannot understand why the toilet bowl needs to sit up on a platform – feels like a throne!
- Quality of girls – OK I guess, but mostly the Issan darker type girls NOT favored by most Orientals as I. OK OK- I know lots of you Farangs love these dark skinned exotic creatures – but I prefer the lighter skinned gals that are to be found in venues frequented by the locals. One thing though, the gals all seems to have been well trained by ‘the management’ and quite up-front. You KNOW that you ain’t gonna get ripped off or rolled or taken advantage of. I must confess though that I had not “partook” enough to be able to make a definite judgment as my schedule in Thailand this time was just too filled with other things that needed doing.
- It’s probably the low season – but I did feel that the whole place was quite “sleepy” and not the “Action Packed, Playboy Mansion Like” atmosphere I must confess I was expecting from reading this forum. And quite dowdy with curtains covering up utility corners, unfinished and seemingly abandoned parts being used as storage areas in plain view of anybody who walks by – and what’s an African Themed place doing in Bangkok? On the other hand, action IS easily and conveniently available downstairs (pretty good quality if you like the darker skinned girls) – and there’s NO joiner’s fees for the room!
- I would recommend this place to anybody new to Bangkok and Asia as there are just too many things that can go wrong with newbies here. And even for some of the more experienced mongers – it’s an OK place if you want straight action WITHOUT some of the hassles and chasing around and bargaining and whatever else.
- Easy to feel at home – Guido/Giotto are quite accessible and straight talking (what do you expect from Germans?!) but I also know that they will NOT suffer fools gladly. And the staff – welllll… they do try very hard to please…. But then again… you ARE in Bangkok aren’t you? So it would also be wise for you to double check ANYTHING you’re signing or paying for.
- Transport – Taxis are everywhere around the lodge in the afternoon and evening – but don’t even think of getting into one in the morning! I had an earlier flight out and I was really sweating it. I only got lucky when I went up to Novotel Lotus (a chain hotel a couple doors down) and got one via the courtesy of their doorman there. The BTS Skytrain station is a couple blocks away, adjacent to the Emporium which is one of Bangkok’s nicer shopping mall.
- Any specific questions, please PM me.
SE Asia Joe
I got some interesting PMs during the past few days, and I think it is necessary to publish some of the discussed issues here on the forum.
1.) Reports and Discount
An ISG member mentioned that the necessity to write a report )for getting the promotion) leads to too positive reports about the Lodge.
This is in general possible, but it is NOT what we want if we request to write a report. The background for this condition is that we want to support the forum with some reports, to keep it alive and interesting.
Please note:
--> it is NOT necessary to write the report within the Giotto's Lodge forum, it can be written in the Thailand forum, too.
--> it is NOT necessary anything about the Lodge is written, it can be a normal travel experience report, too.
2.) Critical/Negative Reports
Some readers send their reports to me in a PM first, to check and confirm it.
Please, I am not a CENSOR. If you there are issues to criticise here at the Lodge PLEASE DO IT! We can only learn from it, or explain why the problem exists. There is nothing wrong with ciriticising issues in your reports.
3.) Missing Discount on Invoice
An ISG member wrote to us that he did not get the the discount.
There are only two reasons that this can happen:
--> Either I am not aware that this specific customer is an ISG member and wrote a report (connection handle / registration name)
--> Or a mistake happened here, I forgot to inform the hotel administration, I did not check my PMs, the staff entered it in the invoice from another customer or something like that
Please, if this happens, DO NOT HESITATE to ask for this discount, that it can be clarified before you leave! The discount should be printed on your invoice.
4.) Problems with Internet
A customer reported problems accessing the internet.
We encounter some problems sporadically, and it usually turns out to be a configuration problem on the customers notebook. A few weeks ago one of our WiFi antenna's was broken - now exchanged.
Please note: Even if WiFi does not work in your room we can always connect your notebook via cable. Each room has a cable connection, too.
We have 7 WiFi antennas in Livingstone's, to cover all rooms. And I checked it out that we have the signal available everywhere. But - please make sure that your system is configured for using DHCP.
5.) Bedside Lamps
A customer mentioned that our bedside lamps do not deliver enough light that you can read in the bed.
That is correct, we already corrected that in the new rooms, where we installed an additional reading lamp above the bed. If you encounter that problem please ask for a stronger lamp at the front desk, we are prepared for that. Alternatively we can change your room to one of those with reading lamps in the new building.
6.) Shower Flooding
We have 3 rooms (new building) in which the bathroom is partially flooded after taking a shower.
The management is aware of the problem. It is a construction bug (please let it rain brain), the slope in this rooms is directed wrongly, away from the drain.
The problem will be fixed soon, room by room. The bathroom tiles on the floor will be removed and reinstalled, the slope corrected.
7.) Charging to Room Account / Getting Carried Away
A customer mentioned that we encourage our customers to charge everything (food, drinks, bar fines) to the room account, and that this is dangerous.
Yes, a customer can charge all his spendings in the facilities of the Lodge to his room account, and I think this is standard in most hotels. Whether we encourage a customer to do so - I would call it this way, I think we offer this as a service, to make it easier for the customer. We really have NO PROBLEM if all a customer want to pay each single transaction, and many customers do so.
If you get carried away in the bar, spending to much money, buying too many lady drinks - I will not comment on that. But we all should know that Livingstone's is not a school for catholic girls.
8.) Girls go only LT
A customer complaint that our girls only go All Night (LT), and that they charge a lot.
It is definitely NOT TRUE that our girls only go LT. They go ST as well, and as everywhere each girl has her own preferences. We do not interfer into their price negotiation strategy. We know that some girls charge more, others less. A clear statement: We will NOT interfer into the girls pricing and negotiation strategy.
I hope I forgot nothing, otherwise later more.
Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th
SE Asia Joe,
Thanks for your report. Some remarks:
The real low down - with apologies to Giotto/Guido for perhaps making plain/debunking some of the mystique that has been "created" about the Lodge.
...LOL, no reason to apologize. Your opinion is highly appreciated.
...You get what you pay for: – The lodge is NOT cheap compared to what else is available in Bangkok – ESPECIALLY during the slow season now (Is an OK deal during high season!)
...Correct. WE DO NOT WANT to be cheap. There are many cheaper places available in Bangkok.
Drinks are I would say, about 00-50% more than at comparable places (prices can and will vary in Bangkok).
...Drink prices are in line with the prices of Soi 33, cheaper than in the discos of the big hotels, and more expensive than in beer bars.
The rooms: Very basic and STILL NO HOOKS in the bathroom! And at THB1,800 is quite small and cheaply furnished.
...Cheaply furnished...yikes. I designed the furniture, made the drawings, and have it produced in a small factory in Nontaburi. Now - you obviously have a different taste, but there is nothing really cheap in the rooms. I also don't like to overload a room with furniture...
HOOKS: This is Thailand, things last a bit. Hooks are installed in all new rooms, most of the Deluxe and Junior Suites. The last chapter - the Superior Rooms - coming soon.
I especially hate the bedside lights – which, whilst some may consider to be quite ‘ethnic’ (??), serves no useful purpose at all (10 -15 watt bulbs?) and looks very schlocky.
...Accepted. I mentioned the issue in the report below.
And I cannot understand why the toilet bowl needs to sit up on a platform – feels like a throne!
...LOL. Sitting[Shitting] on a throne.
Yes, some rooms have the toilet on a small platform, due to construction reasons (concrete flloor below, no chance to lower the plumming into the floor.) It is like this, we cannot change it.
...Quality of girls – OK I guess, but mostly the Issan darker type girls NOT favored by most Orientals as I. OK OK- I know lots of you Farangs love these dark skinned exotic creatures – but I prefer the lighter skinned gals that are to be found in venues frequented by the locals. One thing though, the gals all seems to have been well trained by ‘the management’ and quite up-front. You KNOW that you ain’t gonna get ripped off or rolled or taken advantage of.
...To each his own. Training: We do our best to avoid rip-offs by the girls. Girls who tried to cheat a customer or the bar are fired instantly.
...It’s probably the low season – but I did feel that the whole place was quite “sleepy” and not the “Action Packed, Playboy Mansion Like” atmosphere I must confess I was expecting from reading this forum.
...Correct, it was the lowest point of the low season when you stayed here. It was not only "sleepy", it was dead. But an "action packed playboy mansion like" atmosphere - no, you will not find this here, even not in the high season. This is not our business model.
...unfinished and seemingly abandoned parts being used as storage areas in plain view of anybody who walks by – and what’s an African Themed place doing in Bangkok?
...Yes, the old area of our Thai restaurant, new construction is planned, the Presidential Suite... but still no construction license for that, we are waiting.
African Theme: That is a good question. A long story. I wrote about that in the beginning, will try to find that report and post a link.
...Easy to feel at home – Guido/Giotto are quite accessible and straight talking (what do you expect from Germans?!) but I also know that they will NOT suffer fools gladly. And the staff – welllll… they do try very hard to please…. But then again… you ARE in Bangkok aren’t you? So it would also be wise for you to double check ANYTHING you’re signing or paying for.
...Now - I have problems to understand this. Guido and me, we are accessible and straight forward, but what does "NOT suffer fools gladly" mean?
As for our staff - I think they do a very good job here at Livingstone's, more and more good staff working here.
And now: "double check ANYTHING" ... may be I am too sensitive, but is this an indication that somebody tried to rip you off here at Livingstone's ? Please, details, I really need to know those issues.
...Transport – Taxis are everywhere around the lodge in the afternoon and evening – but don’t even think of getting into one in the morning! I had an earlier flight out and I was really sweating it.
...Taxi in the morning - after 7 am usually no problem. Before that we should book a taxi, to make sure that it is available when you leave.
Again - thanks for your report and all the mentioned issues. Hope to see you again soon.
Giotto
SE Asia Joe
07-03-07, 08:15
Cheaply furnished...yikes. I designed the furniture, made the drawings, and have it produced in a small factory in Nontaburi. Now - you obviously have a different taste, but there is nothing really cheap in the rooms. I also don't like to overload a room with furniture...
Sorry - not only different taste, but definitely different view on what constitutes "cheap decoration." Perhaps you did pay a lot of money for your furniture - but to me, it looks cheap and certainly cannot be compared to standards of furnishing in even 4 never mind 5 star hotels. Exposed airconditoning, Plastic covered chairs, a couple planks attached to the wall to serve as a desk, plastic flowers etc
Sorry Sir to disagree with you on this - but your rooms feels cheaply furnished to me. What do others feel about this?
Now - I have problems to understand this. Guido and me, we are accessible and straight forward, but what does "NOT suffer fools gladly" mean?
As for our staff - I think they do a very good job here at Livingstone's, more and more good staff working here.
And now: "double check ANYTHING" ... may be I am too sensitive, but is this an indication that somebody tried to rip you off here at Livingstone's ? Please, details, I really need to know those issues....
"Not suffering fools gladly" is NOT derogatory/quite complimentary - and it means that I take both of you as being straight talking/straight shooting businessman who will NOT take any nonsense from anybody - especially if such nonsense is not factual.
As for your staff - yes, I did say that they are 'quite' well trained and try their hardest to please - but this is after all Thailand and as such, especially for those of us who do NOt speak Thai - wellll... things can and do get derailed don't they?
And as far as "double checking" - please talk to Guido about this. Basically, upon checking out (hurriedly I must note as I needed to catch my flight) I noticed that even though there was a notation (on the 1st bill I was presented with) that there is a THB1,000 ISG voucher, said amount was NOT deducted from my bill. I pointed this out to your girl - with a question as to what another notation on the bill - "Paid by visa Card xxxxxxxxxxxxxxXX 2,295.15 Bht Attached" - meant and she went ahead and made me up another bil and presented it to me which I paid in cash. When I got home and was doing my own double checking, I figured that there is probably still a mistake - in that apparently the THB2,295.15 above was also deducted and went ahead and e-mailed Guido about it. We've now settled the matter as Guido apparently have now charged my credit card (something which actually I did NOT want done and which I had over-emphasized to him even prior to confirming my booking as I've had nothing but problems with using my credit card in Thailand BTW).(Ps. whoever got the above credit card - I'd suggest you check your credit card bill this month VERY carefully!)
Now Giotto - tell me - doesn't the above WHOLE incident points out to a need for your guests to "double Check" everything? It could have as easily been an overcharge instead of an undercharge. Now, please understand that in no way am I saying that you or anybody is trying to rip anybody off - but... THIS IS THAILAND like I've been saying all along - and you gotta agree that things ain't as effishun as in the more developed countries where most of your guests most likely originate from.
And as far as Taxis are concerned - nope, it was already 9;30 am and there were NO taxis at all and I was really sweating it out lugging around my bags.
PEACE and salutations - Hope I didn't cause too much offense
SE Asia Joe
Silly Fool
07-03-07, 12:49
I,ll never forget that feeling of walking the gauntlet of femme fatales seated in the sports lounge at Livingstones. And not a fake boob amongst the lot. Hefners Chicago digs has got nothing on the Lodge!!
Joe , your biggest mistake was not barfining one of those lovely dark skinned creatures from the Isaan. One of the best GFE of my sweet mongering existence.
True, Giotto is your quintessential German but telling him he doesnt suffer fools gladly is like telling an aussie he fucks , swears and drinks too much. He will also say " please explain?"
SE Asia Joe
07-04-07, 07:47
I,ll never forget that feeling of walking the gauntlet of femme fatales seated in the sports lounge at Livingstones. And not a fake boob amongst the lot. Hefners Chicago digs has got nothing on the Lodge!!
Joe , your biggest mistake was not barfining one of those lovely dark skinned creatures from the Isaan. One of the best GFE of my sweet mongering existence.
True, Giotto is your quintessential German but telling him he doesnt suffer fools gladly is like telling an aussie he fucks , swears and drinks too much. He will also say " please explain?"
"Gauntlet?" Nah - that line-up don't qualify at all if you've ever been in China! And even these "Gauntlets" in China nowadays hardly compares with the mobbing and free for all I used to experience early 1980's Shanghai.
Aaah yes.... Shanghai! Those days it was the first city to turn a blind eye to the oldest profession, but unlike nowadays when they have "Mommies" to do the marketing and cajoling and whatever, those days the gals had to work solo. With the result that only the most fabulous/beautiful creatrues you've ever seen ANYWHERE in the world would 'qualify' and would congregate at the doors of the very few places where Hong Kong and Taiwanese mongers go to and where the hobby was "tolerated." As soon as you step off the lift you'd have 20, 30 even 40 of the best looking gals in China jostling to hold you, to hug you, to plead with you to buy the "entrance fee" into the club - 5 or 10 FEC's those days (Foreign exchange certificate). Now THAT'S a Gauntlet!
And BTW - the playboy Mansion is in LA, not Chicago. And No, I did barfine and ST one of the gals (in the interest of pure research of course!!) and although quite satisfactory (felt very safe, did just about everything I wanted/expected, quite pretty etc) it was nonetheless just de-rigeur.
SE Asia Joe
...True, Giotto is your quintessential German but telling him he doesnt suffer fools gladly is like telling an aussie he fucks , swears and drinks too much. He will also say " please explain?"
If you need explanations as a German, here is the dictionary:
to suffer fools gladly (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=on&search=suffer+fools+gladly&relink=on)
Traveler1234
07-04-07, 12:49
The bar fine is THB1,500 before midnight, 1,000 up to 1:00 am and it’s 700 after that. The girls all have their own prices ranging from 2,000 upwards – and it’s up to you to make your own deal. Drinks are I would say, about 00-50% more than at comparable places (prices can and will vary in Bangkok).
Giotto - did BF change? I thought B1500 before 11 pm and then drops to B1000?
- Transport – Taxis are everywhere around the lodge in the afternoon and evening – but don’t even think of getting into one in the morning! I had an earlier flight out and I was really sweating it.
SE Asia Joe
No absolute truth, everytime I've been there, never a problem to get taxi in morning.
Too bad about your stay....with low season would have thought perfect hunting in the sports bar.
If you need explanations as a German, here is the dictionary:
to suffer fools gladly (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=on&search=suffer+fools+gladly&relink=on)Tiger 888,
Thanks, I got it now.
Giotto
Giotto - did BF change? I thought B1500 before 11 pm and then drops to B1000?
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No absolute truth, everytime I've been there, never a problem to get taxi in morning.
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Traveler1234,
You are right, BF is THB 1,500 before 11 pm, THB 1,000 to 1 am / bar close and THB 700 afterwards.
I have the same experience like you - I go many times to the airport early in the morning. Within 5 min. I always got a taxi up to now.
{And I still like my furniture :) ! Real teakwood! We also don't have plastic covered chairs. There must be two Livingstone's :) !}
Giotto
SE Asia Joe
07-05-07, 04:05
Yowich!....Cain't believe how many faithful supporters you have Giotto! Which all the more reinforces my previously stated admiration for your business acumen AND my statements that you run a very fair and no-nonsense business.
On the other hand, all you "faithful supporters" - Ain't you ever heard of the expression "let sleeping dogs lie?" OK OK, you pointed out that I was one whole hour wrong (Wow - a whole 60 minutes!) on the BF - that the cheaper charges kicks in a whole hour earlier! And now you can point out that if "he's wrong on this, he must be wrong on the rest of the stuff...." But really, all your rabid defense of the Lodge will instead just backfire as there is another saying 'where there is smoke, there is...."
Giotto himself had told me over and over that he wants fair and honest reports and that he will NOT censor anything we write (And yes, I was the one who had pre-submitted my original report for Giotto to vet). But you guys "are beating a dead horse" which will instead just bring up more and more warts and all.
And Giotto - if that's not plastic on your chairs and as pictured on your own Web site's photo gallery - pray tell what is that glossy, leather like, 100% genuine naugahide like material covering the desk chair? and how about the couches in the Suites - are they covered with the same?
And how is it that I had to trundle off into the sunrise to Novotel to get my taxi? I mean - what's SOOO BAAAAD about telling your guests to be aware that they need to figure out at least a few minutes to catch a taxi if they're leaving the lodge in the early hours? Yowich - sorry - got carried away again didn't I?
Look-it - let me state this once more - Livingstone's Lodge is straight, quite fair, safe and easy to stay at in Bangkok. And yes, it was the very slow season when I stayed at the Lodge. But it certainly is NOT even close to matching some of the outrageous statements that fans of Giotto has been making on these pages. I mean - better than the Playboy mansion? Gauntlet of drop dead gorgeous creatures hanging around every corner of the Lodge? Expensive solid teak furniture? (more like whatever furniture is going to be the most utilitarian and will last longest).
I'd be the last person to want a shouting match (and I do believe that Giotto would, the astute businessman that he is, would also agree). so guys - get real please!
SE Asia Joe
Traveler1234,
You are right, BF is THB 1,500 before 11 pm, THB 1,000 to 1 am / bar close and THB 700 afterwards.
I have the same experience like you - I go many times to the airport early in the morning. Within 5 min. I always got a taxi up to now.
{And I still like my furniture :) ! Real teakwood! We also don't have plastic covered chairs. There must be two Livingstone's :) !}
Giotto
Yowich!....SE Asia Joe,
I lost you now.
"Faithful supporters", "backfire", "where there is smoke", "beating a dead horse", "shouting match" ... what do you want from me? You wrote your report, and I wrote my comments. Some others (not even many) also commented, this is basically what is all this forum about.
Nobody indicated that "he's wrong on this, he must be wrong on the rest of the stuff...." - you wrote that now. I did not even bring up that one hour issue (11pm / midnight) of the bar fines, just a small detail - but if a question is addressed to me, I should answer.
Now - we discuss about plastic covered chairs and cheap furniture. OK! Your opinion, I still have no problems with that. I think the chairs cover is nappa leather (don't know the right English translation), and I know that the furniture is made from teak wood (quite sure not solid, btw. the "solid" came from you). Background for the chairs cover: Easier to be kept clean than any fabric, useful in a hotel environment. Nothing more to say regarding this. Your opinion is respected.
I did not even comment on your check-out story, though we have of course a different version of it here. I also don't find it very helpful to post nearly a complete credit card number here on the forum. And the phrase "(Ps. whoever got the above credit card - I'd suggest you check your credit card bill this month VERY carefully!)" sends the clear message to readers that they might be ripped off here at the Lodge. I got your message (though you always describe me as "straight", but then an "astute business man" who does "NOT suffer fools gladly")! I understood, I can read between the lines. And it really makes me feel bad, but what can I do, it is your opinion! You want me to censor your report? No, I will not.
Look, it is impossible to do it right for everybody. And if you expected the 4/5 star hotel equipment/furniture/facilities for a room rate of THB 1,500 ++ (because that was it if you calculate the discount into the rates) then - we did not match your expectations. Livingstone's is different, has a complete different concept, does not belong to any huge hotel chain etc. . There are so many hotels in Bangkok, I am sure you will find one which comes closer to your expectations.
Nothing more that I can say. Thanks for staying with us at Livingstone's Lodge.
Giotto
SE Asia Joe
07-05-07, 09:45
Hmmm... I guess I got it wrong in suppossing that Giotto would not want a shouting match. I certainly don't want one!
On the other hand - that statement "..though we have of course a different version of it here.." does cast aspersion on me. Please advise what exactly you mean? I was the one who brought the matter up of possibly being undercharged - and now you are suggesting that I did something underhanded etc?
And then you wrote "...the phrase "(Ps. whoever got the above credit card - I'd suggest you check your credit card bill this month VERY carefully!)" sends the clear message to readers that they might be ripped off here at the Lodge..." Well Gioto - all it sends is the clear message that your staff is still NOT up to the minimum standards that one would expect. 1) How is it that I've got - and still got - the full Visa Card number - of whoever was charged that 2,295.15 Bht on MY BILL? 2) Why does it need me to point out to your staff that the ISG voucher - although clearly written on the bill - was nonetheless NOT deducted from my total bill? 3) Is it not reasonable for me to warn others who may be contemplating staying there that your staff is not up to standards? Guido wrote me - "....Unfortunately our Front desk girl was sick that day and the replacement is quite new and her English is not the best. Many things to improve here..."
And then you state "...I got your message! I understood, I can read between the lines...." so what IS MY message? If you truly understood what "not suffering fools gladly" means you certainly would NOT been getting all disjointed as now. JEEEZ!
Look-it – I’ll say it again – I DO admire your business acumen, I do think that your Lodge is OK and a fair deal – but I will also say that not everything is hunky dory – and you and Guido has as far as even admitted this fact yourselves. You’ve also said that you want a true critique on the Lodge – which I thought I was doing all along. So why can’t you accept that Napa leather or whatever else you call it – IS plastic! Why is it so hard to accept that your staff STILL requires further training? Why do you think it’s so bad that one cannot readily get a taxi from the Lodge earlier in the day (So What? – there’s tons of places where its worse!). I can even tell you that your Ladies are NOT as well run as you might think - that they DO go with customers whilst by-passing the Bar fine system you have. So there!
As I said – I do NOT want to get into a shouting match with anyone – but your latest reply is certainly not what I had thought to have expected – especially when lots of parts of my reports had been quite complimentary..
So…. Am I still welcome to stay at the Lodge in the future? Yowich!!
SE Asia Joe
........I did not even comment on your check-out story, though we have of course a different version of it here. I also don't find it very helpful to post nearly a complete credit card number here on the forum. And the phrase "(Ps. whoever got the above credit card - I'd suggest you check your credit card bill this month VERY carefully!)" sends the clear message to readers that they might be ripped off here at the Lodge. I got your message (though you always describe me as "straight", but then an "astute business man" who does "NOT suffer fools gladly")! I understood, I can read between the lines. And it really makes me feel bad, but what can I do, it is your opinion! You want me to censor your report? No, I will not.
Nothing more that I can say. Thanks for staying with us at Livingstone's Lodge.
Giotto
Rambis Youth
07-05-07, 11:17
Joe,
Not sure what you're trying to achieve here. Giotto has taken on board what you have said, accepted some and disagreed with some. That should be the end of it. You seem to be hell bent on getting the last word in.
If you have ongoing issues that you want resolved, address it in a PM or email to Giotto. If there are no issues, your thoughts have been effectively conveyed. Some will agree, some will disagree and most will not care. Regardless, I think it's time to move on unless you want to portray a hidden agenda.
For the record, I have never met Giotto, never stayed at Livingstones but probably will on my next visit to BKK.
Cheers,
Rambis
Silly Fool
07-05-07, 12:09
hey giotto- i hope i didnt give you a big head with my response to poor old joes playboy analogy- admittedly i visited in january but i was only giving an honest assessment for newbies. i was on sonya,s arm but it was still intimidating walking past the bevy of black cat beauties all dressed in short, short white mini skirts.i wont forget that mental picture for quite some time. there would have been 9 or so clustered around the bar, there were another 4 or 5 drinking with their customers in the dark at the rear of the bar, there were another half a dozen congregated around a very athletic spinner go-go dancing on a small podium just below the wall mounted tv. with another 5 or 6 rep001tered around the pool table -you get the idea- just exactly how slow is the so called slow season. this is bangkok afterall and i ve never noticed a slow season on isg.
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For the record, I have never met Giotto, never stayed at Livingstones but probably will on my next visit to BKK.
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Rambis Youth,
Thanks, hope to meet you when you will stay at the Lodge - or just come over here for a beer, or two.
Giotto
Hey Giotto- i hope i didnt give you a big head with my response to poor old Joes Playboy analogy...
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Silly Fool,
No problem at all.
The low season in the moment is different from last year. We have more girls working in the bar now...and not many customers. The bar never gives you the impression that it is empty - there is always a good number sitting somewhere. Poor girls, so many have to sleep alone :) ...
But - things already turn, the past few days were busy, the next high season will come, for sure!
Giotto
My experiences with the Lodge has been mixed. As with all hotels, Livinstones is not immune to the fact that it has some deficiencies as well has many good things in its arsenal.
First of all, it is NOT EASY to run a hotel. It is NOT CHEAP to run a modestly upscale hotel. It is NOT POSSIBLE to make everyone happy all the time. As a fellow businessman, I have great respect for Giotto for trying his best. Is everything at his hotel great? No. Is everything bad? No.
In my opinion, Livingstones is a work in progress. It has still to be finished. It will have it's ups & downs but as days and months go by problems get fixed. (Except for the dungeon. I still don't have my set of whips and chains.:) )
So let's talk about the good and bad. I have stayed in the cheapest room as well as the infamous Room 15 (or is it 14) with the double jacuzzi. So here are my observations.
1. Entry
The cobbled walkway to the front desk is nice and pretty but a hell on my rolling luggage wheels. Since I stop in LOS on my way to India, I have two heavy full size suitcases, carry-on, a laptop and the booze bag purchased at King Power it is a herculean task. If you come in at odd hours, there is no one at the entry. So do I leave half my stuff on the street while I go in to leave the other half? Big dilemma.
My suggestion: have some luggage carts at the entry way, or a call button on the elephant tusk so someone can be called from the check in desk.
2. Check-in/front desk
Used to be that the front desk was not manned 24-7. So if you arrived late/early you would have to wait around. One time I came in around 4 am and had to get my room keys from the wall behind the desk.
The problem has since been fixed.
3. Rooms
I like the rooms with their wood floors and simplistic designs. I like the teakwood furnitures. And the NAPA LEATHER (definition: Napa leather, or Nappa leather, is extremely soft and supple and is commonly found in higher quality wallets, toiletry kits, and other personal leather goods.) The ACs works very well.
4. Bathrooms
Nicely done with upscale hardware. Drawbacks: No room at the wash basin to keep your own toiletries, and no hooks.
5. Common areas.
Very well maintained. Clean. Good landscape. Good poolside tables. Nice job. And I love those masks.
6. Food
Excellent and priced accordingly. I would not be able to afford it every day for lunch and dinner, so I just have them occasionally. The breakfast is good but I wish they had some variations on different days. Also, weiners are not sausages. I have no idea why they are called that in LOS.
7. The lounge and the ladies.
Not an extraordinary place but nice and well done. The ladies are nice but some just stay at the entrance. I wish they ALL would come over and say hello. I find it uncomfortable to look at them and pointing out and motioning them to come over, or have another girl to tell someone else to come over. It feels like you are at a cattle auction. I must say at this point, this is not particular to Livingstones but in many other bars as well. However, it could be that I am not the hansum man they want to be with.
The bar fines are a little out of range for me at 1500B, but then I have also splurged a few times with excellent results. As for ST and LT rates, I have negotiated 1000 B ST and 1500/2000 B LT. And they like it when they find that you are staying at the Lodge.
As with any other bars mistakes are sometimes made. So it is a good idea to check the bar tabs every time a slip goes in your cup.
8. Service
Overall excellent. Very helpful staff. No complaints there. Issues are taken care of promptly and both Guido and Giotto could not be better hosts.
9. Checkout
I wish they had a full fledged billing software. I suspect, but I could be wrong, that the billing problems some have reported could be avoided if they moved away from manual billing. (I won't elaborate but Dr. G probably knows what I am alluding to.)
10. Taxis
Yup, they are not always there in front of the hotel, but a simple request to the staff takes care of that. They will go out and get you a taxi, so I don't see that as an issue.
Did I leave anything out? Ah yes, the dungeon. I am still waiting it to be finished. :D
If you look at it overall, the issues are minor and they are in line with the industry, and in many cases the amenities and service provided are much more superior. And the personal touch makes it even so.
Duni
TQM Bestard Manager
Interesting points. I think the situation is basically that Livingstone is like no other hotel most of us have ever experienced. We are treated like friends, or like family. Giotto and Guido will sit down with guests, have dinner, go out to a Gogo bar, help in finding the perfect massage place. Who has received this kind of help from the manager of the Novotel, GP, MS, etc?
So it feels a bit like home, but it isn't. Personally the African theme leaves me cold, and the lights on the side of the bed are dumb looking, and the lights by the desk are for aesthetic purposes only. If this were the Majestic Grande, would one complain about it? most assuredly not. But because the place has treated us like we are in our home away from home, we feel compelled to mention it.
I, myself, have a huge problem with one of Livingstone's policies, and Giotto is acutely aware of it. Do I wash my dirty laundry in public? No. I discuss it privately, and make my own choices. However, I think that griping about a taxi at 7.00 is a small problem, compared to the positives one finds once inside the place. (Duni does make a good point about dragging the luggage into the place, I have done it several times, and it sucks. A call button wouldn't work either, Duni, after all, this is LOS, and it would take 10 minutes for a room boy to come out to see what is needed.)
Most of the reports on this thread are positive, and that is because, even with the little problems, the annoyances, the quirks, Livingstone's fills a niche market, and is one of the best places in BKK when it comes to quality, location, mongering ease, food, entertainment, and friendliness.
SEAJ, I feel your pain. The Novotel is down the street.
Interesting points. I think the situation is basically that Livingstone is like no other hotel most of us have ever experienced. We are treated like friends, or like family. Giotto and Guido will sit down with guests, have dinner, go out to a Gogo bar, help in finding the perfect massage place. Who has received this kind of help from the manager of the Novotel, GP, MS, etc?I agree, Especially for newbies like myself.
Traveler1234
07-05-07, 18:38
Do I wash my dirty laundry in public? No. I discuss it privately, and make my own choices.
SEAJ, I feel your pain. The Novotel is down the street.
Mr. Vice President
The Marketing Director shares your exact sentiments and earlier this morning dispatched a PM to SEAJ rather than continue a public discussion.
Slightly OT but as Giotto posted, want to reconfirm to everyone that the barfines are 1500 before 11 pm, 1000 btw 11 to closing and 700 after closing (this one, frankly I didn't know about and not sure of rationale but will discuss with ownership privately.
And don't believe everything Duni says, he is hansum man and does pay the same BF we pay :)
T1234
At the risk of being labelled as one of the faithful supporters (which I am), I'll simply say I like the place - especially Room 114! I agree with the rest of the 'faithful' about the good points of the Lodge.
I don't get bothered about small issues like lack of a door-hook, or even a misunderstanding on a bill, which happens everywhere from time to time. If it happens, I deal with it then forget about it.
My experiences with the Lodge has been mixed. As with all hotels, Livinstones is not immune to the fact that it has some deficiencies as well has many good things in its arsenal.
...Sir,
Many thanks for your comprehensive report. I discovered some good ideas in there...
It is 2 am, I will go into details tomorrow.
Giotto
Interesting points. I think the situation is basically that Livingstone is like no other hotel most of us have ever experienced. We are treated like friends, or like family. Giotto and Guido will sit down with guests, have dinner, go out to a Gogo bar, help in finding the perfect massage place. Who has received this kind of help from the manager of the Novotel, GP, MS, etc?
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I, myself, have a huge problem with one of Livingstone's policies, and Giotto is acutely aware of it.
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Mr. Vice President,
Yes, this is what we try, establish contact to our customers, supporting them as good as we can reg. their [whatever-]activities here in Bangkok/Thailand.
And things go wrong here - of course. Nothing is perfect. May be more than in other hotels here in Bangkok, which are big enough to work with SOPs. Usually I am the first who writes about those issues. I have no problems if somebody kicks my ass, but to label our employees here as "staff is still NOT up to the minimum standards that one would expect" is not acceptable for me.
As for our policy discussion - I think we did it the right way with PMs and E-Mails, and the final solution will be found when I meet you here - next time.
BTW: Hope you are well!
Giotto
Traveler1234
07-05-07, 20:40
Sir,
It is 2 am, I will go into details tomorrow.
Giotto
When you do, include explanation re the BF of B700 for 'after the bar closes'? Did not know such a BF existed and not sure the thinking behind it?
Do you mean if I happen to be sitting by the pool (or wherever) when the bar closes, girls get ready to go home, and say for instance, ms. nympho or pesky walks out alone - and I ask them up, i still pay a BF?
I suppose it's to discourage private off the books arrangements?
I agree, Especially for newbies like myself.Nuff Said,
LOL...BESTARD! Now you are no newbie any more!
Giotto
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