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Mr. Vice President
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And don't believe everything Duni says, he is hansum man and does pay the same BF we pay :)
...Mr. Marketing Director,
I feel some jealousy :) ... What can we do, some of us have to pay, some not. If you had The Sir's experience as TQM director you would most likely also know how to convince the girls to go for free ... The Sir has something we don't have!
When will you be in Bangkok next time?
Giotto
Nuff Said,
LOL...BESTARD! Now you are no newbie any more!
GiottoI'm not? I only been there twice. Looking forward to returning in January, Just not sure which dates yet, but will be there in January.
At the risk of being labelled as one of the faithful supporters (which I am), I'll simply say I like the place - especially Room 114!
...Pipeman,
Thanks for your support.
You know who sleeps in 114 tonight? It is ... ME!!! Jau! Roomcheck! Will I find hooks? I am not sure :) ... but may be somebody hook me up! Let's wait and see.
Not sure about August yet, busy in the moment, but I hope to make it.
Giotto
When you do, include explanation re the BF of B700 for 'after the bar closes'?
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I suppose it's to discourage private off the books arrangements?Mr. Marketing Director,
That is basically correct. The new rule has two reasons:
- to discourage private bookings from the girls with customers they met in our Sports Lounge (!) The girls don't have to cheat then.
- to make it easier/cheaper for customers to barfine late, after having spend a lot of time/money in the Sports Lounge already.
Further explanations:
We have many new girls now, and some of them are already experienced in the business. Some of them of course get the idea to make dates with customers after the bar closes. It is so easy to meet at the 7/11 after 1 am...
If one girl starts with this, successfully practice it - she will talk to the other girls, and step by step it will be a general habit. We experienced such a development already.
We want the girls to be honest, honest in their deal with the customer and loyal to the bar. We FIRE them instantly if they do not follow the basic rules.
I know what some of the readers will think now. And I am sure, that I had strongly argued against such a report some years ago. But since 2+ years I am running this business, and I have my experiences with this ladies as a bar owner - and believe me, strict rules are absolutely necessary.
Giotto
Traveler1234
07-05-07, 21:14
Mr. Marketing Director,
I know what some of the readers will think now. And I am sure, that I had strongly argued against such a report some years ago. But since 2+ years I am running this business, and I have my experiences with this ladies as a bar owner - and believe me, strict rules are absolutely necessary.
Giotto
Damn, closed those loopholes and no more freebies....LOL.
Good rules, strict enforcement is key. Pleasant dreams :)
Life is hard - and unfair :)!
Yes, I suffer a lot here in Bangkok, every day! For you out there! Yes, I mean it! Have to go sleep now, wife just called ... she wants me in the plastic bed. Is waiting in her nappa leather G-String underwear - wait, I think I mix something up... she is for sure waiting with the teak wood baseball bat, as always...
What a hard life here in Bangkok :) ! How is it out there in the real world? I nearly forgot ... :):):)
Good Night!
Giotto
Yes, I suffer a lot here in Bangkok, every day!
We feel your pain, Giotto. Right now you must be dreaming of angry customers swinging teak-wood baseball bats, complaining about all those 700 Baht items on their bills, supposedly for late night "cocktails" (!) that they had never charged to their credit cards (which are made of Nappa leather rather than plastic, of course!) ...
Life is hard - and unfair :)!
I'm sure we can arrange something for you - how about a summer exchange program with a small hotel owner in Castrop-Rauxel, Germany? Too bad I won't be too tempted to visit you there however. Maybe taxis are plenty and always available in C-R. But I'm afraid there won't be six lovely ladies around to flag one down for me, instruct the driver and send me off! (Which was my last taxi experience in front of the Lodge, admittedly late at night rather than early in the morning ...)
Member #4655
07-06-07, 00:36
Read SEAJs post and wanted to add a comment.
I have stayed in the Lodge twice in the last month, 3 days on each occassion.
Both times I had a great stay. Were there some minor niggles, yes. Did the team deal promptly with the ones I rasied. Yes they did.
Like most of the ISG members I travel a lot. If I wanted 5-6 stars and low risk of any "niggles" I would stay at the Sukumvhit Grande Sheraton. In fact I have stayed there over 25 times according to their records.
But consider this.
If I stayed there would I get a Sports Bar that feels like its part of a friend's house. No!
Would I be able to enjoy a well priced meal whilst sneaking looks up the dresses of some stunning young girls. No!
Would I be able to play 12 games of pool with the Hotel General Manager until late into the night. No!
When its time for bed would I be able to nod discretely at two glamouros girls add their bf's to my hotel bill and wander up to my room without a a taxi ride home or a walk of shame. No!
If estemeed senior members want coat hooks in the bath room I can confirm they are available in the Sheraton. Big silver ones. Based on a cost comparison with Livingstones they will cost you an additional 50US each night to enjoy but for sure they are there, along with the cab rank, 24 hour room service and orchids on your pillow but I shall be staying at the Lodge because on balance, for a mongerer like me, its better value (I even beat Giotto at Pool).
Max
Ps I was there at the lowest of low season. I love being one of two or three guys in the bar with 20 girls all eager to catch my eye!
Pps the only plastic in the room was my economy sized pack of raincoats in the bed-side drawer.
Traveler1234,
You are right, BF is THB 1,500 before 11 pm, THB 1,000 to 1 am / bar close and THB 700 afterwards.
I have the same experience like you - I go many times to the airport early in the morning. Within 5 min. I always got a taxi up to now.
{And I still like my furniture :) ! Real teakwood! We also don't have plastic covered chairs. There must be two Livingstone's :) !}
GiottoGiotto,
I volunteer to come and check the 'leather' to see if they are plastics. Being from the plastic industry, I'll do a ISO audit.;). as for bar fines, that is what I paid after 11pm.
See you soon 'legs'.LOL.
SE Asia Joe
07-06-07, 05:44
(PART 1)
Greetings Y’all:
Cannot believe this! Just cannot believe this!
Here I thought I was just writing a completely honest report, based upon my stay and what I truly felt… and this all!
I do see though, that for the most part responses have been very balanced, quite well thought out and fair. But then again….
Joe,
I think it's time to move on unless you want to portray a hidden agenda.
Rambis
Couldn’t agree more but let me emphasize that I do NOT have any hidden agenda at all. (What??? What hidden agenda could I possibly have?? Jeez!!). I believed and still believe that an accurate and true report of what I think about the Lodge should and could NOT do any harm. I had even passed a draft of the report to Giotto PRIOR to my posting it with request that he edit/modify anything on it. OK, perhaps here’s my hidden agenda – I had thought that my original report – warts and all - would have attracted more punters/ get their curiosity up to make them want to at least try staying there. As I stated all along, - and no matter what anybody says, the guy's got to be admired for being able to spot a niche, capitalize on it and seemingly prosper from it. I really did think that my piece would have helped him and his business (OK OK Giotto – Please, Please don’t tell me that you don’t need none of my help…that’s obvious!)
As with all hotels, Livinstones is not immune to the fact that it has some deficiencies as well has many good things in its arsenal.
Is everything at his hotel great? No. Is everything bad? No.
... And the NAPA LEATHER (definition: Napa leather, or Nappa leather, is extremely soft and supple and is commonly found in higher quality wallets, toiletry kits, and other personal leather goods.)
....As with any other bars mistakes are sometimes made. So it is a good idea to check the bar tabs every time a slip goes in your cup.
…9. Checkout. I wish they had a full fledged billing software. I suspect, but I could be wrong, that the billing problems some have reported could be avoided if they moved away from manual billing. (I won't elaborate but Dr. G probably knows what I am alluding to.)
..10. Taxis. Yup, they are not always there in front of the hotel, but a simple request to the staff takes care of that. They will go out and get you a taxi, so I don't see that as an issue.
If you look at it overall, the issues are minor and they are in line with the industry
Duni. TQM Bestard Manager
Now here’s a good report and Jeez, I wish I had Duni’s writing talent – for basically he’s really said EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS I did – but did it soooo nicely!
Exeptin’ the fact that the furniture is definitely NOT covered with Napa leather – its covered with naugahide (?) – which IS PLASTIC
SE Asia Joe
07-06-07, 05:45
I think the situation is basically that Livingstone is like no other hotel most of us have ever experienced.
So it feels a bit like home, but it isn't. Personally the African theme leaves me cold, and the lights on the side of the bed are dumb looking, and the lights by the desk are
I, myself, have a huge problem … Do I wash my dirty laundry in public? No. I discuss it privately, and make my own choices. However, I think that griping about a taxi at 7.00 is a small problem, Most of the reports on this thread are positive, and that is because, even with the little problems, the annoyances, the quirks, Livingstone's fills a niche market, and is one of the best places in BKK when it comes to quality, location, mongering ease, food, entertainment, and friendliness.
SEAJ, I feel your pain. The Novotel is down the street.
The Marketing Director shares your exact sentiments and earlier this morning dispatched a PM to SEAJ rather than continue a public discussion.
T1234
Dirty laundry?? Whatcha guys talking about?. Lookit, I really cannot figure out what dirty laundry I, ME, MOI have? If you consider the points I brought out about the Lodge as “Dirty Laundry” well isn’t it Giotto’s laundry? And he had been the one to choose to reply point by point on them.
And what’s wrong with telling people that they’re going to have problems getting taxis in the morning (9;30 and not 7;00 am) there – heck, there are lots of other places with much much worse problems getting taxis. The one thing that I take exception to is you telling me that the Novotel is down the street. Even Giotto has up to now NOT even indicated that I would NOT be welcome at the lodge in the future, so who are you to be telling me that?
I agree with the rest of the 'faithful' about the good points of the Lodge.
I don't get bothered about small issues like lack of a door-hook, or even a misunderstanding on a bill, which happens everywhere from time to time. If it happens, I deal with it then forget about it.
I’d be the first one to tell every one “about the good points of the Lodge” and NO, I’m NOT bothered about small issues – not unless I get told off… and then have my good person subject to insinuation that I did something underhanded (re the bill). Now that got my gander!
And things go wrong here - of course. Nothing is perfect. May be more than in other hotels here in Bangkok, which are big enough to work with SOPs. Usually I am the first who writes about those issues. I have no problems if somebody kicks my ass, but to label our employees here as "staff is still NOT up to the minimum standards that one would expect" is not acceptable for me.
Giotto
And Meinherr Giotto - how would you like me to write about your staff - especially since Guido AND YOU YOURSELF have concurred and gone so far as actually saying such. I could have written a much worse description but had refrained from doing so. And Puhellleeeze, don’t now tell me that all your staff is now perfect. Look-it, I accept that staff is staff, and that they cannot be expected to be perfect all the time. Your staff DO try their best and ARE eager to please, but…!
Minimum standards – to at least get my bill correct!
OK enough…. ENOUGH!! Let this sleeping dog lie OK? And YES I do very much need to put in the last word when there are aspersions being cast about me, my intention, my motive,… and whatever else. So guys…. OK?
SE Asia Joe
I'm not? I only been there twice. Looking forward to returning in January, Just not sure which dates yet, but will be there in January.Nuff Said,
No, no rookie any more. You stood on your own feet already last time when you were here.
Looking forward to seeing you again in January. How you are well, and everything is fine there in xxx xxxx.
Giotto
We feel your pain, Giotto. Right now you must be dreaming of angry customers swinging teak-wood baseball bats, complaining about all those 700 Baht items on their bills, supposedly for late night "cocktails" (!) that they had never charged to their credit cards (which are made of Nappa leather rather than plastic, of course!) ...Yin Yang,
Thank you for understanding me and my pain. If only angry customers I could life with that, but angry wifes with baseball bats...she did not let me sleep all night, this Thai women and their basic instincts ... yes, I suffer a lot :) !
I'm sure we can arrange something for you - how about a summer exchange program with a small hotel owner in Castrop-Rauxel, Germany? Too bad I won't be too tempted to visit you there however. Maybe taxis are plenty and always available in C-R. But I'm afraid there won't be six lovely ladies around to flag one down for me, instruct the driver and send me off! (Which was my last taxi experience in front of the Lodge, admittedly late at night rather than early in the morning ...)Castrop-Rauxel???Oh my god ... Germany. To be honest - no, thanks.
BESTARD!!!
Thanks for mentioning - the taxi and lady situation in the morning is definitely different. It is more difficult to get a taxi then, and the six ladies who flagged one down for you late night are still busy in recovering from the nightly activities.
Giotto
I, myself, have a huge problem with one of Livingstone's policies, and Giotto is acutely aware of it. Do I wash my dirty laundry in public? No. I discuss it privately, and make my own choices
OK guys, I have received 8 (EIGHT) PMs from members asking what my problem with a Livingstone policy is.
It is a private issue with Giotto. If you really want to know, ask him, while you are having dinner at the lodge with him. I am sure he will tell you. But please, respect our privacy!!!
Read SEAJs post and wanted to add a comment.
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Would I be able to play 12 games of pool with the Hotel General Manager until late into the night. No!
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I even beat Giotto at Pool.
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Maxwell 100,
Thanks for your support.
I am a lousy pool player. I think about writing a long frustrated report as my next story, about my experiences and my attempts to learn to play.
I started 2 months ago to seriously try to understand pool - whe bought a new pool table, and I thought I should now try to play a bit better, and not to loose EVERY game. It is that easy, simply mathematics / geometric - YES!!!
But - up to now my performance is still lousy. Should I hire a trainer :) ?
Giotto
OK guys, I have received 8 (EIGHT) PMs from members asking what my problem with a Livingstone policy is.
It is a private issue with Giotto. If you really want to know, ask him, while you are having dinner at the lodge with him. I am sure he will tell you. But please, respect our privacy!!!Mr. Vice President,
I got some PMs, too. And whether dinner or PM - it stays between you and me.
Giotto
My experiences with the Lodge has been mixed. As with all hotels, Livinstones is not immune to the fact that it has some deficiencies as well has many good things in its arsenal.Sir,
Thanks for your comprehensive report. My comments now:
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No. Is everything bad? No.I agree 100 %.
In my opinion, Livingstones is a work in progress. It has still to be finished. It will have it's ups & downs but as days and months go by problems get fixed. (Except for the dungeon. I still don't have my set of whips and chains.:) )Also correct. The work never ends. I will prepare a report about one day in my life. Things which are happening here, equipment breaks, customer problems - so many times I asked myself at night what I did all day, and I have no idea where all the time was spent for. Such a project is never finished.
So let's talk about the good and bad. I have stayed in the cheapest room as well as the infamous Room 15 (or is it 14) with the double jacuzzi. So here are my observations.I think it was 115, with the Double Jacuzzi.
1. Entry
The cobbled walkway to the front desk is nice and pretty but a hell on my rolling luggage wheels. Since I stop in LOS on my way to India, I have two heavy full size suitcases, carry-on, a laptop and the booze bag purchased at King Power it is a herculean task. If you come in at odd hours, there is no one at the entry. So do I leave half my stuff on the street while I go in to leave the other half? Big dilemma.
My suggestion: have some luggage carts at the entry way, or a call button on the elephant tusk so someone can be called from the check in desk.Makes sense. Good idea (and I always ask myself why we did not have this idea by now already). Let's place some luggage carts at the entry.
A call button: Let's try that too. Though I share my doubts that it will work on the long run it is worth to try. The frontdesk is now occupied 24/7 - it can work.
2. Check-in/front desk
Used to be that the front desk was not manned 24-7. So if you arrived late/early you would have to wait around. One time I came in around 4 am and had to get my room keys from the wall behind the desk.
The problem has since been fixed.As mentioned - front desk manned 24/7 now. The buts - new staff, still many changes, the front desk staff is still a problem here.
4. Bathrooms
Nicely done with upscale hardware. Drawbacks: No room at the wash basin to keep your own toiletries, and no hooks.Correct - and in work. Hooks installed nearly in all rooms - the last 5 hooks were just handed to our engineer.
6. Food
Excellent and priced accordingly. I would not be able to afford it every day for lunch and dinner, so I just have them occasionally. The breakfast is good but I wish they had some variations on different days. Also, weiners are not sausages. I have no idea why they are called that in LOS.The breakfast system changed a bit, since you stayed here last time. You can now select...I think you will be ok. LOL - Sausages...
7. The lounge and the ladies.
...The ladies are nice but some just stay at the entrance. I wish they ALL would come over and say hello. I find it uncomfortable to look at them and pointing out and motioning them to come over, or have another girl to tell someone else to come over. That's a philosophy problem. We don't want our customers to be hazzled by the ladies. Establish eye contact and smile, and they will come ... for sure.
As with any other bars mistakes are sometimes made. So it is a good idea to check the bar tabs every time a slip goes in your cup.Correct, there are two problem areas: Girls who simply misuse the trust of the customer and order drinks without asking - and drinks added to the wrong customer bill if the bar is full. We again and again talk to the girls and our staff about this problems - but it occaionally happens.
9. Checkout
I wish they had a full fledged billing software. I suspect, but I could be wrong, that the billing problems some have reported could be avoided if they moved away from manual billing. (I won't elaborate but Dr. G probably knows what I am alluding to.)I know...I would like to have that either. But unless we do not install a complete integrated system (interface to POS and PABX) there is still manual data entry necessary. And then there is the ISG discount - ...
... Ah yes, the dungeon. I am still waiting it to be finished. :DLOL!!! Sorry to tell you, but there will be no dungeon. Livingstone's in its whole IS THE DUNGEON. And as we all know now - some customers experience it as such :) ! (There is this nice bar Demonia on the other side of the road, you dress in black, get in there, and the girls there will kick your ass as hell :) ).
I hope you will be back soon.
Giotto
Sir,
Thanks for your comprehensive report. My comments now:
I agree 100 %.
Also correct. The work never ends. I will prepare a report about one day in my life. Things which are happening here, equipment breaks, customer problems - so many times I asked myself at night what I did all day, and I have no idea where all the time was spent for. Such a project is never finished.
I think it was 115, with the Double Jacuzzi.
Makes sense. Good idea (and I always ask myself why we did not have this idea by now already). Let's place some luggage carts at the entry.
A call button: Let's try that too. Though I share my doubts that it will work on the long run it is worth to try. The frontdesk is now occupied 24/7 - it can work.
As mentioned - front desk manned 24/7 now. The buts - new staff, still many changes, the front desk staff is still a problem here.
Correct - and in work. Hooks installed nearly in all rooms - the last 5 hooks were just handed to our engineer.
The breakfast system changed a bit, since you stayed here last time. You can now select...I think you will be ok. LOL - Sausages...
That's a philosophy problem. We don't want our customers to be hazzled by the ladies. Establish eye contact and smile, and they will come ... for sure.
Correct, there are two problem areas: Girls who simply misuse the trust of the customer and order drinks without asking - and drinks added to the wrong customer bill if the bar is full. We again and again talk to the girls and our staff about this problems - but it occaionally happens.
I know...I would like to have that either. But unless we do not install a complete integrated system (interface to POS and PABX) there is still manual data entry necessary. And then there is the ISG discount - ...
LOL!!! Sorry to tell you, but there will be no dungeon. Livingstone's in its whole IS THE DUNGEON. And as we all know now - some customers experience it as such :) ! (There is this nice bar Demonia on the other side of the road, you dress in black, get in there, and the girls there will kick your ass as hell :) ).
I hope you will be back soon.
Giotto
Giotto, get your place sorted out before I get there!
giotto, get your place sorted out before i get there!petemcc,
don't worry, we alternatively reserved a room for you down the road - peep inn! :) !
giotto
Travellar22
07-06-07, 12:52
Well I think it is not a business hotel where people come for work and stay while on work it is just a botique hotel specifically built for vacations for holiday goers and provide a excellant relaxing atomsphere. I think the crticisim going on all over here is just because that no other hotel owner or manager is that friendly in attitude towards customers as is here and in this friendship i think customers set high expectations in return and forget that after all it is a business oriented concern and nothing ofcourse is free in business world.
One thing we all are forgettting here is that because room number is small so things tend to get expensive comparing to hotel with higher number of rooms as its a number game so i agree it is not cheap and is expensive due to this reason but for such a lovely privacy one has to pay more.
Just imagine a private beach costs more comparing to a public or semi public beach.
Giotto is not on public welfare mission and he is here to earn handsomely so cheers and enjoy.
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Giotto is not on public welfare mission and he is here to earn handsomely so cheers and enjoy.Travellar22,
Thanks, my friend, yes, of course we want to make money here at Livingstone's. But it is still a long way to go :) .
GIotto
Aussiebloke453
07-07-07, 00:37
Maxwell 100,
Thanks for your support.
I am a lousy pool player. I think about writing a long frustrated report as my next story, about my experiences and my attempts to learn to play.
I started 2 months ago to seriously try to understand pool - whe bought a new pool table, and I thought I should now try to play a bit better, and not to loose EVERY game. It is that easy, simply mathematics / geometric - YES!!!
But - up to now my performance is still lousy. Should I hire a trainer :) ?
Giotto
Hi Giotto,
Back after a couple of brief stays at the Lodge and it was a neat experience. Pity I had to cut the second visit short.
Hey Goitto if you are a lousy pool player what does that make me! You beat me on your new table!! (-: You need a lesson in customer relations....are you not meant to make your guest feel as they are number 1? !! (-:
I have spent the time since you beat me working out why it was so. I finally worked it out!! I need to share this with other members so you can be neutralized when playing pool from now on.
Giotto has had the pool table especially made for him and all the pockets have a unique entry angle which only Giotto has the formula too. I have engaged the services of a pure mathematician and we are tantalizingly close to cracking the entry angles. When next we play next he will be traveling with me along with his abacas!! (-:
Goitto the truth is out there! (-:
Hope this helps fellow members.
Cheers,
Fleetz
M P Lurker
07-07-07, 04:10
SE Asia Joe,
Correct. WE DO NOT WANT to be cheap. There are many cheaper places available in Bangkok.
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Taxi in the morning - after 7 am usually no problem. Before that we should book a taxi, to make sure that it is available when you leave.
Giotto
Livingstones Lodge cannot suit everyone perfectly of course.
It is not CHEAP to some, but it is extremely good value for money to others.
Where else can you get the free Wifi Internet, a nice swimming pool, comfortable beds, location, etc. for this price?
One question. I had a bad experience with taxi going via many small Sois with serious traffic jam when I was trying to get to the airport (suwanaphum). What route is suggested as fastest during heavy traffic?
I was considering walking down to Sukhumwit and catching taxi on the other side. But is maybe a bit extreme.
My only problem is that since I now have a well established history of playing up at the lodge, then I can really only use the lodge when in play-up mode.
In other siuations I may be forced to stay somewhere else that is likely to be either inferior or significantly more expensive.
Its tough to find enough time to spend with ALL the girls I like and to keep them all happy. And I'm not even in Thailand most of the time like Giotto.
Hi Giotto,
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Hey Goitto if you are a lousy pool player what does that make me! You beat me on your new table!! (-: You need a lesson in customer relations....are you not meant to make your guest feel as they are number 1? !! (-:
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IGiotto has had the pool table especially made for him and all the pockets have a unique entry angle which only Giotto has the formula too. I have engaged the services of a pure mathematician and we are tantalizingly close to cracking the entry angles. When next we play next he will be traveling with me along with his abacas!! (-:
Goitto the truth is out there! (-:
Fleetz,
Yes, you are right, I should not even TRY to understand the game, I should always loose. That is what a good host does, is it?
But now, that my secret is out there - I am quite sure that the other more experienced player will not have any problem to beat me anyway :) .
Thanks for staying with us at the Lodge! Come back!
Giotto
Etaoin2003,
Thanks for the great report in the Bangkok thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=617588&postcount=3809
I hope you are enjoying your stay here at Livingstone's Lodge.
Giotto
petemcc,
don't worry, we alternatively reserved a room for you down the road - peep inn! :) !
giotto
600 bhat for 3 hours works out even dearer than your place, looks like i'll have to slum it at livingstones.
600 Bhat for 3 hours works out even dearer than your place, looks like I'll have to slum it at Livingstones.Petemcc,
Just bring your own furniture and service staff - then you will be OK :) .
Giotto
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One question. I had a bad experience with taxi going via many small Sois with serious traffic jam when I was trying to get to the airport (suwanaphum). What route is suggested as fastest during heavy traffic?
I was considering walking down to Sukhumwit and catching taxi on the other side. But is maybe a bit extreme.
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Mick Licker,
Very diffucult to give a recommendation. To go through the small roads (Soi 33, Soi 31, Soi 39) to Petchaburi and then via Rama 9 to the airport can last during the rush hours.
The alternative is to go down to Sukhumvit Soi 1, and directly enter the expressway. This can last, too, during heavy traffic.
Giotto
Yes you are Right Dr Travellars22,
I hope you remeber me from india same day I was there in livingstone, we played pool and had nice time
I aways reccomend livingstone lodge to all my friends becoz I had realy nice time in my life each and every staff are very caring co-oparative and the The BOSS is fantastic
Late thanks to everybody
And sure I'm planning soon to visit " Home "
Cheers
Sss forU
Well I think it is not a business hotel where people come for work and stay while on work it is just a botique hotel specifically built for vacations for holiday goers and provide a excellant relaxing atomsphere. I think the crticisim going on all over here is just because that no other hotel owner or manager is that friendly in attitude towards customers as is here and in this friendship i think customers set high expectations in return and forget that after all it is a business oriented concern and nothing ofcourse is free in business world.
One thing we all are forgettting here is that because room number is small so things tend to get expensive comparing to hotel with higher number of rooms as its a number game so i agree it is not cheap and is expensive due to this reason but for such a lovely privacy one has to pay more.
Just imagine a private beach costs more comparing to a public or semi public beach.
Giotto is not on public welfare mission and he is here to earn handsomely so cheers and enjoy.
Petemcc,
Just bring your own furniture and service staff - then you will be OK :) .
Giotto
Giotto
Now I understand what people mean by your hospitality, you're making me feel at home already. I can hardly wait to actualy get there and see how much better it can get. I can see for 5 star treatment I will have a choice of the Bangkok Hilton, or Livingstones, but I believe ST is much cheaper at 'The Hilton', a bowl of rice I believe. Mmmm decisions, decisions!
Yes you are Right Dr Travellars22,
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Late thanks to everybody
...Sss Foru,
Thank you! I will let our staff know.
Hope to see you again here at the Lodge.
Giotto
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now i understand what people mean by your hospitality, you're making me feel at home already. i can hardly wait to actualy get there and see how much better it can get. i can see for 5 star treatment i will have a choice of the bangkok hilton, or livingstones, but i believe st is much cheaper at 'the hilton', a bowl of rice i believe. mmmm decisions, decisions!petemcc,
hmm...difficult for me to give you any recommendation if you consider to stay at the 5 star environment of bangkok hilton. it has in a way the same setup as livingstone's, but no swimming pool (as i heard). the bar is integrated in all the hotel, many younger and older partners available...but i heard some complaints about the food there.
as i remember your job is related to establishments like bangkok hilton - so that might be the right place for you to stay! on the other hand - if you want something different (it is your vacation, man) then peep inn should be considered as an option :) !
giotto
petemcc,
hmm...difficult for me to give you any recommendation if you consider to stay at the 5 star environment of bangkok hilton. it has in a way the same setup as livingstone's, but no swimming pool (as i heard). the bar is integrated in all the hotel, many younger and older partners available...but i heard some complaints about the food there.
as i remember your job is related to establishments like bangkok hilton - so that might be the right place for you to stay! on the other hand - if you want something different (it is your vacation, man) then peep inn should be considered as an option :) !
giotto
thanks for the advice giotto, but remember i am no longer a screw but a student nurse. remember i offered to run your bar and do free health checks on your ladies for a miminal fee? you of course refused, because as the saying goes, there's no such thing as free or discount at livingstones.
your place really does have me intrigued and i am specially saving all my dollars for a special night at your place, if you'll have me that is. i will forgo 4 nights in pattaya and 4lts with barfines for a night of luxury at your establishment, if you're prepared to have me. the free health checks for your girls are still on the table by the way.
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Your place really does have me intrigued and I am specially saving all my dollars for a special night at your place, if you'll have me that is. I will forgo 4 nights in Pattaya and 4LTs with barfines for a night of luxury at your establishment, if you're prepared to have me. The free health checks for your girls are still on the table by the way.Petemcc,
LOL. I think you will find out that you cannot spent all that save money here in one night. But - just go ahead.
Giotto
Petemcc,
LOL. I think you will find out that you cannot spent all that save money here in one night. But - just go ahead.
Giotto
Well let me see. 4 nights in Pattaya@800/night= 3200
4 BF in Pattaya, max 400 each= 1600
4 Lt in Pattaya @ 1000 each= 4000
Total for 4 mights in Pattaya, with accommodation, Bf and girls all night 8,800
1 night in Livingstones about 2000
1 BF in Livingstones about 1000
1 Lt in Livingstones about 3000
Total 6000
Yep, before beer, one night in Livingstones Bangkok is cheaper that 4 nights in Pattaya. I'm only a poor student, a student nurse- come on have some sympathy. I only have so much money and I fear that your vixens will fleece me. How about a student discount?
Have a heart Giotto. Money I could spend on books that will help me pass exams will be spent on Livingstones instead. Can you live with yourself knowing that people may go without the benefit of my considerable life experiences because I can't qualify as a nurse without taking out a loan because I am staying at Livingstones?
Come on mate, 50% student discount on rooms, drinks, Bfs and girls is appropriate, and as I said, I'll offer my services for free to check your girls.
Your thoughts?
Pete
Travellar22
07-09-07, 13:16
Hello buddy thanx for writing yes i do remember u and we had good time when we played pool.
Regards
Well let me see. 4 nights in Pattaya@800/night= 3200
4 BF in Pattaya, max 400 each= 1600
4 Lt in Pattaya @ 1000 each= 4000
Total for 4 mights in Pattaya, with accommodation, Bf and girls all night 8,800
1 night in Livingstones about 2000
1 BF in Livingstones about 1000
1 Lt in Livingstones about 3000
Total 6000
Pete
Don't forget to add the additional transportation cost to get to Pattaya. That has to add at least another 1000 each way. So that might cut Pattaya down to a 2 to 1 advantage.
Since I am usually forced to stay at one of the better 5 stars when I visit Bangkok (Livingstones is not on my corporation's approved list of hotels), I view Livingstones as a comparable at half the price. And the atmosphere is unique. I have to confess I miss not being able to stay down there
Traveler1234
07-09-07, 15:29
Since I am usually forced to stay at one of the better 5 stars when I visit Bangkok (Livingstones is not on my corporation's approved list of hotels), I view Livingstones as a comparable at half the price. And the atmosphere is unique. I have to confess I miss not being able to stay down there
I think 1Ball said it best, it's like home when away from home. For many of us who travel for work (and not play), this is priceless :)
Wel How about a student discount?
Have a heart Giotto.
Pete
This is how the discount works at Livingstone's. It is pretty simple really.
Senior Citizen -> 0%
Guys in shorts -> 0%
Well dressed -> 0%
Young men, handsome, and strong -> 0%
Ugly fat guys -> 0%
Students -> 0%
Lawyers-> 100% surcharge.
You write a report on the place, good or bad -> 1,000 Bt off your bill.
hope this helps.
Traveler1234
07-09-07, 16:22
1 night in Livingstones about 2000
1 BF in Livingstones about 1000
1 Lt in Livingstones about 3000
Total 6000
Pete
When was the last time anyone paid 3000 for LT at G's?
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Since I am usually forced to stay at one of the better 5 stars when I visit Bangkok (Livingstones is not on my corporation's approved list of hotels), ...Thor93,
You need to put Livingstone's on that list. Ask your boss to stay here - I will personally take care of him :) !
Giotto
...For many of us who travel for work (and not play), this is priceless :)Mr. Marketing Director,
Wow, what can I say, that sounds good! That is MARKETING :):):) !
Giotto
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Senior Citizen -> 0%
Guys in shorts -> 0%
Well dressed -> 0%
Young men, handsome, and strong -> 0%
Ugly fat guys -> 0%
Students -> 0%
Lawyers-> 100% surcharge.
You write a report on the place, good or bad -> 1,000 Bt off your bill.
...Mr. Vice President,
Yep. That is basically correct, but we increased the surcharge for lawyers :) !
For the records: To get the THB 1,000 voucher you need to stay 3 days at Livingstone's AND write a report, good or bad, not necessarily about Livingstone's, but about your experiences in Bangkok during that stay.
Giotto
BTW: Everybody talks about DISCOUNT here, what is that???
Thor93,
You need to put Livingstone's on that list. Ask your boss to stay here - I will personally take care of him :) !
Giotto
I work for a very large corporation and if Livingstones was on that list, you would always be full with strait laced corporate types who would never set foot in the Sports Lounge (or at least admit they went in there). Also half of them would be women. What would become of the girls in the Sports Lounge then?
Oh, and most important you would have to offer at least a 50% discount from your current rates to get on the list, despite the fact you are already 50% or more lower than the hotels currently on the list. They would send some aggresive young MBA to negotiate the rates and these guys are like sharks. So be careful what you wish for my friend, some things are better left alone.
And as for taking care of my boss, he is kind of a prude. I definitely would not want him knowing my extracurricular activities in Bangkok. I think he thinks I like to go the temples. Lets not disillusion him
I work for a very large corporation and if Livingstones was on that list, you would always be full with strait laced corporate types who would never set foot in the Sports Lounge ....And as for taking care of my boss, he is kind of a prude. I definitely would not want him knowing my extracurricular activities in Bangkok. I think he thinks I like to go the temples. Lets not disillusion himDon't be so sure about your boss being a prude. Most execs like to have fun when no-one's looking. We're all human.
Many of my employees think I'm a straight-boring guy. That's how I come across in person, and I like that.
Traveler1234
07-10-07, 03:00
Many of my employees think I'm a straight-boring guy.
ROFLMAO :)
Mr. Vice President,
Yep. That is basically correct, but we increased the surcharge for lawyers :) !
For the records: To get the THB 1,000 voucher you need to stay 3 days at Livingstone's AND write a report, good or bad, not necessarily about Livingstone's, but about your experiences in Bangkok during that stay.
Giotto
BTW: Everybody talks about DISCOUNT here, what is that???
It's how people make money. I know in Germany there is no equivilent, it's either right, and deserves full payment, or it's shite and it doesn't even happen.
You probably never have empty rooms, or BGs with no BFs, but if you ever do, consider the word discount. I appreciate that you may feel uncomfortable even reading it, but for customer relations it does more than an extra towel rail.
It's how people make money. I know in Germany there is no equivilent, it's either right, and deserves full payment, or it's shite and it doesn't even happen.
You probably never have empty rooms, or BGs with no BFs, but if you ever do, consider the word discount. I appreciate that you may feel uncomfortable even reading it, but for customer relations it does more than an extra towel rail.Petemcc,
We are joking about "discounts" since the "Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok" thread was started. Don't take it too serious - and the ISG discount rules highlight that we know the meaning of that word, and we offer discounts to customers.
We have empty rooms sometimes, which we do NOT sell via discounts. We give "special" barfines to customers, which stay longer with a girl. We NEVER interfer in the business of our girls.
I do not feel uncomfortable even reading about discounts. But I do not sell the services of the Lodge via discounts. It's simply not our business strategy.
Hope that clarifies the issue.
Giotto
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Many of my employees think I'm a straight-boring guy. That's how I come across in person, and I like that.Pipeman,
That is shocking news - I always thought you are a straight-boring guy :) !
Giotto
and the disaster started. the girl asked what i wanted to drink, and left the room, not returning for about 10 min. . then she came back with all the massage utilities – and still no drink. left again to pick up the drink downstairs, and another 5 min. were gone.
10 min. later – she was through with the first leg. i thought there might be a second leg somewhere, but – she needed to go to the toilet, asked nicely – and disappeared another 10 min. . the frustration level went up…
she immediately stopped the hand job and made clear, that she had to take a shower now.
- to undress lasted long.
- to wrap into a towel lasted long.
- to walk 1 m to the shower lasted long.
- to unwrap the towel in the shower lasted long.
- to take that shower lasted longer.
- to take the towel and dry herself lasted longer.
- to wrap into a towel lasted long.
- to stand in front of the mirror and arrange hair and i-don’t-know-what lasted long.
finally she moved to the bed. i felt how tense she was, and i also knew what all that was about. the “too-big - - hurt” nonsense started, as expected.
i took the prepared condom, and she obviously felt no pain when we started the intercourse – her hands on my back ordered the precise tact in which she expected the movements. who am i to oppose?
3 min. later she came. clear female body reactions.
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10 sec. later she felt pain. “ooiiii, hurt, hurt!!!”
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20 sec. later i stopped and gave up. it’s no fun if a woman pretends to have or really has pain during intercourse.
she then got up, wrapped into a towel, asked nicely that she had to go to the toilet – and disappeared for the usual 10 min.from your description of your bad experience with lady guitar at teens vip massage, its seems pretty clear to me that this lady was sick. and although she was trying, she wasn't able to do her job well because of her illness.
i have some education and work experience in a health-related field. and from the way this lady frequently disappeared for 5 to 10 minutes at a time. and from the way she complained about hurt only a few minutes into her intercourse. i can say that very likely she had a uti (urinary tract infection).
a lady who has an infection like that feels burning sensation in her urinary tract, has a desire to [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) frequently, and has a lot of difficulty emptying her bladder (which is why she would spend a long time in the toilet). and if she doesn't get this infection treated with antibiotics. then this infection can go up into her kidneys and result in some really serious health problems for her.
such an infection is a lot more common among women than it is among men because of the difference in their anatomy.
and of course this lady should've gone to see a doctor instead of coming to work.
but i wouldn't be too hard on the lady or the establishment where she works. it's not as if her customers give her sick pay. and it's not as if her bills stop coming just because she is sick.
Sasquatch73
07-10-07, 21:05
Hallo Giotto,
I've actually just sat here with a silly grin and gone through about 12 pages of delightful reading.
I just cannot wait to return to BKK and stay at the LL. It sounds perfect. I've no idea when, but this thread is making me wanna come there as soon as possible. I miss BKK and now this is making me feel homesick. WAH! Sasquatch want 2 thai girls in room 114 with double jacuzzi!
From your description of your bad experience with lady Guitar at Teens VIP Massage, its seems pretty clear to me that this lady was sick. And although she was trying, she wasn't able to do her job well because of her illness.
...
Dan7373,
That report was written long time ago - I don't even know whether Guitar is still working there. And of course it is possible that she was sick.
Anyway - I heard that things are getting better in Teans, some customers gave good feedbacks about the massage there. May be it is time to try it again :) ...
Giotto
from your description of your bad experience with lady guitar at teens vip massage, its seems pretty clear to me that this lady was sick. and although she was trying, she wasn't able to do her job well because of her illness.
i have some education and work experience in a health-related field. and from the way this lady frequently disappeared for 5 to 10 minutes at a time. and from the way she complained about hurt only a few minutes into her intercourse. i can say that very likely she had a uti (urinary tract infection).
a lady who has an infection like that feels burning sensation in her urinary tract, has a desire to [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) frequently, and has a lot of difficulty emptying her bladder (which is why she would spend a long time in the toilet). and if she doesn't get this infection treated with antibiotics. then this infection can go up into her kidneys and result in some really serious health problems for her.
such an infection is a lot more common among women than it is among men because of the difference in their anatomy.
and of course this lady should've gone to see a doctor instead of coming to work.
but i wouldn't be too hard on the lady or the establishment where she works. it's not as if her customers give her sick pay. and it's not as if her bills stop coming just because she is sick.
giotto
i'm not slagging you off here mate, but your conclusion is a huge leap of faith in your clairvoyance abilities. there's very little to indicate a uti, but a lot to indicate 'couldn't be fucking arsed attitude'.
what you say is true about utis, but i don't believe that you can suggest that she had one without closer inspection-signs of fever, pain, inflamation etc.
again, i'm not flaming you/slagging you off, especially as you won't give me student rates at livingstones, but i wonder why you are defending what may be just plain bad attitude, which exists in many p4p women in los.
how about 10% off?
pete
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I'm not slagging you off here mate, but your conclusion is a huge leap of faith in your clairvoyance abilities. There's very little to indicate a UTI, but a lot to indicate 'couldn't be fucking arsed attitude'.
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Petemcc,
Pete, Pete, Pete, now it is 10 % surcharge.
If you read all that again - I DID NOT WRITE THAT REPORT, it was Dan7373. And (as usual) - I also did not come to any conclusion - ok, that surprises nobody :).
But now I came to a conclusion: 10 % surcharge for you!
Giotto
Eu Contractor
07-11-07, 16:15
Hi G.
I am coming in on the 21st of August for a couple of weeks. Will you have room for a weary traveler?
With all the discounts you are throwing around lately, I would expect my "regular" suite for 50% off the normal rate and the dungeon prepared. Please turn on the in room internet cameras as usual.
Thanks,
EU
hi g.
i am coming in on the 21st of august for a couple of weeks. will you have room for a weary traveler?
with all the discounts you are throwing around lately, i would expect my "regular" suite for 50% off the normal rate and the dungeon prepared. please turn on the in room internet cameras as usual.
thanks,
eueu contractor,
where is your damned report about your last visit?
bestard!!!
--> peep inn, a room together with petemcc!
giotto
Eu Contractor
07-11-07, 16:55
eu contractor,
where is your damned report about your last visit?
bestard!!!
--> peep inn, a room together with petemcc!
giotto
do you think petemcc will give me a checkup at a reduced rate?
Do you think Petemcc will give me a checkup at a reduced rate?Eu Contractor,
For sure. If you give him "student discount" on the room rates :) ...
Giotto
EU, Yeahhhh, where is your report from your last trip?
Glad to see you are getting out of dodge for a while, and if you ask nicely, Petemcc will probably be happy to ask you to bend over and cough, while he adjusts his latex glove.
Enjoy............
:)
Petemcc,
Pete, Pete, Pete, now it is 10 % surcharge.
If you read all that again - I DID NOT WRITE THAT REPORT, it was Dan7373. And (as usual) - I also did not come to any conclusion - ok, that surprises nobody :).
But now I came to a conclusion: 10 % surcharge for you!
Giotto
Sorry mate. I got rather drunk last night (as usual) after the doctor told me to give up drinking and lose weight as my blood pressure is through the roof!
So, I suppose no drinking for 6 months will give me the ability to pay your surcharge, but I wonder how much it will be by Jan next year?
Sorry mate. I got rather drunk last night (as usual) after the doctor told me to give up drinking and lose weight as my blood pressure is through the roof!
So, I suppose no drinking for 6 months will give me the ability to pay your surcharge, but I wonder how much it will be by Jan next year?Petemcc,
As you know we care about the health of our customers. Let's make a deal: You tell me your actual weight, and calculate a room rate per kg! If you then loose weight until you come here you have your "student discount"! What do you think.
OK, honesty is expected, of course!
And - we can top it: If your blood pressure is within a certain range (when you arrive here) we will upgrade you to the next higher room category!
Deal :) ?
Giotto
It rains a lot in the moment. And - what makes it worse, it many times starts around 6 pm and rains until 8 or 9 pm, and then nobody comes for dinner. We usually have regular customers in the Sports Lounge, many days late late, but it is simply more fun here if there are some customers around the swimming pool having dinner.
The permanent construction process is continuing. Last week we were running out of hooks, for the last rooms, and tried to find the same hooks somewhere - no, of course impossible. And - nothing similar to find. Now - there are millions of different hooks you can buy, why can we not find something which fits? Because - we not really want to find it, because then we have to fix it, and that means - WORK! And - the boss is so picky, if he doesn't like the selected hooks he sets up his "disgusted face" - and nobody takes the risk to see this any more. Damned boss.
We took out the bathroom floor in one of the rooms with the slope problem! Wow - dirt and dust everywhere. But now we have a slope! A nice one, the water is flowing away easily. And we have cement everywhere at the tiles ... as a gift from the construction company. Thank you!
The outside furniture must be exchanged. Rain and humidity - the furniture pays the toll for that. We were constantly painting it, but that only helps for a time. We should buy plastic furniture (and get killed from our boss).
The new pool table is permanently occupied. It is easy to make money with this pool table - ROI was 2.5 month! We think about changing Livingstone's to a giant pool hall (joking).
We checked our network during the past few weeks, exchange two more wifi antennas, activated 2 more DHCP server. We went through all rooms and connected my notebook to the internet, via DHCP, wireles and per wire. Nobody will tell us any more that our internet connection does not work. --- And two days later (last sunday) another Wifi antenna broke down. Why is it that here in Thailand all technical equipment dies so soon? Humidity? General quality of work? But - this antennas are not even Thai products, D-Link...
The occupancy of the hotel was down to below 40 % in June. On the rise now, surprisingly, very early, it is still low season. We are now above 70 % already. Shall we increase the prices (joking)?
The girls in the Sports Lounge are bored some days. 5 customers and 35 girls. During the weekend it is usually ok, if it is not raining too much. Then all the girls who up, around 45 now. Guys, where are you, those girls don't want to sleep alone, they need nice guys who invite them for a drink - and possibly take them out later? This ladies are women too - they have their desires! Don't let the be alone all the time!!! That is not good for their health, and they get crazy with their own feeling! Have mercy with them!
Very international guests here in the moment. English, Americans, Omanis, Israelis, Pakistanis, French, Italian, Danish ... nice mixture. We even allow Germans to stay here :) ...
Tomorrow: Maids Party!
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Petemcc,
As you know we care about the health of our customers. Let's make a deal: You tell me your actual weight, and calculate a room rate per kg! If you then loose weight until you come here you have your "student discount"! What do you think.
OK, honesty is expected, of course!
And - we can top it: If your blood pressure is within a certain range (when you arrive here) we will upgrade you to the next higher room category!
Deal :) ?
Giotto
Giotto, that seems like a very fair proposal. I will have my weight and BP verified by a third person, and photographed, and then I will collect my discount in Bangkok. How about if I lose 20Kg a free barfine? Or am I pushing it? The camera, fat calipers and tape measure rarely lie, so how about it? The fat bastard challenge to Giotto. I lose weight, get fit, and I get the discounts and BF if more than 20Kg. Hang on, I'm staying 10 days in Pattaya, forget the free BF, that'll never happen!
Cheers
Pete
PS I feel like I'm going to get shafted here- weight say 100Kg, at 30Bhat/Kg!!!!! That's shafted-only thinking of the worst!
Giotto, that seems like a very fair proposal. I will have my weight and BP verified by a third person, and photographed, and then I will collect my discount in Bangkok. How about if I lose 20Kg a free barfine? Or am I pushing it? The camera, fat calipers and tape measure rarely lie, so how about it? The fat bastard challenge to Giotto. I lose weight, get fit, and I get the discounts and BF if more than 20Kg. Hang on, I'm staying 10 days in Pattaya, forget the free BF, that'll never happen!
Cheers
Pete
PS I feel like I'm going to get shafted here- weight say 100Kg, at 30Bhat/Kg!!!!! That's shafted-only thinking of the worst!Petemcc,
No shafting, just a straight deal.
Example: You are 100 kg now, and 85 kg when you arrive. So the room rate would be THB 18++ per kg now, and will be THB 15.3++ per kg when you come here.
Then it depends on you for what you spend your "student health discount". Soda water would be option :) ...
Giotto
Petemcc,
No shafting, just a straight deal.
Example: You are 100 kg now, and 85 kg when you arrive. So the room rate would be THB 18++ per kg now, and will be THB 15.3++ per kg when you come here.
Then it depends on you for what you spend your "student health discount". Soda water would be option :) ...
Giotto
As they say back home
You're on!
The first discount in Livingstones history, Feb next year!!!!!!!!
We even allow Germans to stay here :) ...
Please cancel all my future reservations.
Thank you.
VP.
It rains a lot in the moment. And - what makes it worse, it many times starts around 6 pm and rains until 8 or 9 pm, and then nobody comes for dinner. We usually have regular customers in the Sports Lounge, many days late late, but it is simply more fun here if there are some customers around the swimming pool having dinner.
Hmmm...... I wonder why it rains during rainy season? Must talk to the weatherman.
The permanent construction process is continuing. Last week we were running out of hooks, for the last rooms, and tried to find the same hooks somewhere - no, of course impossible. And - nothing similar to find. Now - there are millions of different hooks you can buy, why can we not find something which fits? Because - we not really want to find it, because then we have to fix it, and that means - WORK! And - the boss is so picky, if he doesn't like the selected hooks he sets up his "disgusted face" - and nobody takes the risk to see this any more. Damned boss.
Did you ever try to see if you could get the towel holder from Piper1? I am sure he won't mind selling it to the Lodge.
The outside furniture must be exchanged. Rain and humidity - the furniture pays the toll for that. We were constantly painting it, but that only helps for a time. We should buy plastic furniture (and get killed from our boss).
Yeah. About time you changed the furniture. I am getting tired looking at the same stuff over and over again.
The new pool table is permanently occupied. It is easy to make money with this pool table - ROI was 2.5 month!
Now that's a rather long ROI. With the table being occupied by the ladies and gent's you should charge the onlookers to shell out more to see the action on the table. ROI...maybe 1 week?
The girls in the Sports Lounge are bored some days. 5 customers and 35 girls. During the weekend it is usually ok, if it is not raining too much. Then all the girls who up, around 45 now. Guys, where are you, those girls don't want to sleep alone, they need nice guys who invite them for a drink - and possibly take them out later? This ladies are women too - they have their desires! Don't let the be alone all the time!!! That is not good for their health, and they get crazy with their own feeling! Have mercy with them!
A pool table party (orgy) is in order. Now come on guys, help the ladies out, will ya. G has promised to get some more tables soon.
Very international guests here in the moment. English, Americans, Omanis, Israelis, Pakistanis, French, Italian, Danish ... nice mixture. We even allow Germans to stay here :) ...
Thank God the Indians were not here.
:D :D :D
Do you think Petemcc will give me a checkup at a reduced rate?Eu Contractor,
Report :(:(:( ???
Giotto
...Thank God the Indians were not here.
:D :D :DSir,
Sorry, forgot the Indians. Lots of them here...
Giotto
Please cancel all my future reservations.
Thank you.
VP.Mr. Vice President,
Sorry, I did not know that you are German ... :) .
Giotto
Eu Contractor
07-13-07, 20:28
eu contractor,
report :(:(:( ???
giotto
g,sorry i didn't post after my last trip..
would i be correct to believe you actually think i can remember what happened last february?
does my upcoming reservation depend on a report from last time?
as i remember, the peep inn does not require a report.
are you ready to venture out this time or are you still to "tired"!!
eu
Most of our senior management looks pregnant. The Sir anyway, as an Indian and all his responsibilities for dinners and quality checks in the TQM department - yeah, he looks pregnant.
The Vice President looks pregnant all the last 18 months, since I met him first - Tequila? Red Wine? But he takes care of his pregnancy very well, every morning lots of rounds in the swimming pool.
But now - the catastrophe happened. One of the "ladies of the night" is pregnant.
WHO WAS IT????? One of you, out there :):):)!!!!
BTW: We don't want to know. The problem is a different one.
Most of our girls believe that what nearly all bar girls in Thailand believe. If a pregnant girl works in a bar - then ... yeah what is then? I leave it to you to answer this question. Thai culture, as I was told. What has that to do with "culture"? --- Disgusting!
Today we had a kind of revolution. We have "so many white sheeps working here, and ONE BLACK SHEEP!" And because of this black sheep we have no customer in the moment!!!! --- Black sheep sits crying behind the bar.
Well - it is raining season. Could that be a reason that we don't have too many customers in the moment? - And the Sir is pregnant, too. Since years! That does not matter. Responsible is - this one single girl which is pregnant!!!
Sorry guys, I made some decisions today. I told all those girls that they can work somewhere else, if they don't want to work here together with a pregnant girl. To believe in Buddha is OK, and we respect The King. But superstition and ghosts - nonsense like this - NO!
I also told the pregnant girl that it is not too good for the baby to work in a bar with all that smoke in there...
Sorry guys, that is what I believe in. May be tomorrow we have only one girl working here - the pregnant one. Or may be she is frustrated, too - because I told here that all the smoke is not so good ... she will understand that as if I want her to stop working.
Good. Tomorrow I will be in this Sports Lounge. May be I will be alone - may be not. That does not make it a gay bar ... :( Worst case: We start all over!
Damned, I am really pissed about this girls. Shall they go to he.. - whatever.
Tomorrow is a new day. Good! I am not pregnant. Wait - not so sure, let me check that :) !
Giotto
g,sorry i didn't post after my last trip..
would i be correct to believe you actually think i can remember what happened last february?
does my upcoming reservation depend on a report from last time?
as i remember, the peep inn does not require a report.
are you ready to venture out this time or are you still to "tired"!!
eueu contractor,
and now this. i am anyway not in a good mood right now. and now i have to read - this?
not only that a girl in the bar is pregnant. no, now this "contractors" interfer also. --- good.
dear customer eu contractor, of course your reservation does not depend on a report from last time. we will prepare some "space" for you (basement, no aircon, no shower, no toilet)! and yes, peep inn does not require a report! so - shall we book a room for you there :) ? or do i misunderstand something...
venture out, with a guy who does not write about this adventures afterwards - what would we say in germany, 'casting pearls to the swines'? to answer your question: yes, still tired, so many wifes - and one lady in the bar is pregnant :) !
bestard!
giotto
Eu Contractor
07-13-07, 21:00
Eu Contractor,
We will prepare some "space" for you (basement, no aircon, no shower, no toilet)!
Giotto
So I can expect the same room as last time??
Well, with the possible demise of Livingstones, perhaps it is time to think about what I said before- discounts!!!!
Also, as to how your girl got pregnant, well there is a vey good chance that it was through unprotected sex, probably with a boyfriend, because we all know that all mongers in your establishment bag up, don't they?
Perhaps the time is right for a good clean out and time to recruit some 1000Bhat LT girls.
Oh, and by the way, secondary smoking isn't just harmful to pregnant women, or pregnant men in some of your cases, but to everyone, so as part of your clean out, make it a non-smoking bar inside.
Right, there, you have my suggestions, now use them!
..... so as part of your clean out, make it a non-smoking bar inside.
Pete, once you meet Giotto, you will realize this will never happen. The man smokes in his sleep.......
;)
Pete, once you meet Giotto, you will realize this will never happen. The man smokes in his sleep.......
;)
So he's midle aged, smokes like a chimney, drinks like a fish, is overweight (looking pregnant) and probably gets very little aerobic exercise-even the horizontal stuff. Sounds like he may need a personal nurse. Now I know someone who will be nearly qualified by next Jan and who has an up to date Senior First Aid and resus certificate. All he would ask would be free board, free BFs, a free girl a night and a free lunch, but then again, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Maybe I should tell G about my 'friend'?
Rubberyman
07-14-07, 04:29
Hi,
Have been staying at the Lodge for three days, so feel confident in posting a report since it is also my first stay in the establishment.
Livingstone's Lodge is a small boutique style of hotel, rather than the boring (imo) Hilton or Accor types that my employer puts me in when he is paying. (I figure that I can go visit their grand hallways and lift lobbies for free if I want that sort of stuff). Livingstone's is clean and comfortably set up, with modern appointments in the airconditioned rooms.
It is not the Peninsula in Hongkong, or Raffles in Singapore (both of which I have stayed at), but it is far better than many three star hotels in Europe that I have stayed at as well without problem.
The staff are friendly and helpful.
There is a swimming pool which is well maintained, as well as an airconditioned bar stocked with beer, pool table and wide screen.
There is also an outdoor eating area where you can get some reasonably priced Thai and western food.
The location is close to massage parlours and bars on Soi 33 within a few minutes.
The only downer is that the Lodge is behind a couple of other buildings, so that the entrance is cramped and cluttered. Not anything that management can do about that, but for potential customers, I would suggest ignore the entrance and make your decisions based on what is inside.
It is a good option for newbies who do not wish to have any hassles in getting ladies, food, drink, comfortable reasonably priced accommodation on their first trips. Also, if you find you like/love the place, then obviously you will come back too.
On my first night, I went to the sports bar, and there were some ladies there who were quite nice on the eyes and pleasant to talk to. The one I wanted though, tried to charge me 3700 Bht for a short time, so I smiled and passed before walking five minutes to Love Teen Massage down the Soi. There, I met an equally charming young lady who relieved my tensions for 2100Bht short time. Again, one of the advantages of this location is that there are plenty of options for someone needing to unload his tensions.
From what I see posted previously, management here has taken the first step in reforming the in house ladies - so my comments on them are for interest only.
Finally, it is close to the Skytrain, which gives you further options either for checking out Bangkok, going to a couple of big malls, further mongering down the road at Nana. The Skytrain is easy and cheap to use as well as airconditioned - you will save 15 taxi minutes, not to mention a few Bht by using this to go to the mall.
I solemnly vow and declare that I was not paid for this report and I have no connection to management at the Lodge whatsoever.
Long live the King!
So I can expect the same room as last time??Eu Contractor,
No, compared to what you can expect the room you stayed last time was a suite :) !
Giotto
...
Also, as to how your girl got pregnant, well there is a vey good chance that it was through unprotected sex, probably with a boyfriend, because we all know that all mongers in your establishment bag up, don't they?
...Petemcc,
All of them, for sure!!!
I believe in Santa Claus, too!
Giotto
So he's midle aged, smokes like a chimney, drinks like a fish, is overweight (looking pregnant) and probably gets very little aerobic exercise-even the horizontal stuff. ...Petemcc,
What does that mean? Please explain.
As for the nurse, highly appreciated. She should be around 25 - 30 years old, long legs, slim, well proportioned, skin like silk - and horny like hell :) !
Giotto
Petemcc,
What does that mean? Please explain.
As for the nurse, highly appreciated. She should be around 25 - 30 years old, long legs, slim, well proportioned, skin like silk - and horny like hell :) !
Giotto
My dear Giotto. Horizontal exercise=shagging. A man as busy as you will not have any time for that, I would have thought, even with Mrs Giotto.
As for the nurse, man, your heart is at risk, the last thing you need is continiously raised blood pressure. You need a short, fat, preferably male, ugly nurse who you would never dream of shagging, and who would keep your blood pressure down. You have, or at least used to have, plenty of attractive girls around you to keep that BP elevated, so a calm, steadying, low BP influence is what you need, and remember, no hard cash, just board, food BF and free sex. What price your health mate?
M P Lurker
07-14-07, 11:29
My dear Giotto. Horizontal exercise=shagging. A man as busy as you will not have any time for that, I would have thought, even with Mrs Giotto.
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I don't se that Mr Giotto is all that busy. As the owner, he has others to do the real physical hard work :-) Anyway he would need to conserve energy for young wives.
However the stresses of 2 wives must be making him mentally tired or in a not so good mood as Giotto puts it, even if he can get a really superior shag regularly.
I am attempting reconciliation with my GF so playing up with 2nd GF/wife is probably out of the question right now. I may still get a chance to visit the sports bar, as I miss Miss J quite a lot, but one never knows when I can yet a chance and can't afford to be actually seen playing up.
Its really tough when I like several girls immensely but cannot be with all of them concurrently and they cannot accept the multiple GFs approach.
For now, I am sadly on my best behavior.
Looking for a relatively stress free existence.
Eu Contractor
07-14-07, 12:11
Eu Contractor,
No, compared to what you can expect the room you stayed last time was a suite :) !
Giotto
G,
That's ok. I will be bringing my new girlfriend with me.She doesn't like crowds, air conditioning, showers or water. WR introduced us in DXB. I'm not sure your other "international" guests can fully appreciate her but if anyone is interested, her barfine will only be 100 bhat.
Maybe she can fill in for the pregnant one?
EU
G,
That's ok. I will be bringing my new girlfriend with me.She doesn't like crowds, air conditioning, showers or water. WR introduced us in DXB. I'm not sure your other "international" guests can fully appreciate her but if anyone is interested, her barfine will only be 100 bhat.
Maybe she can fill in for the pregnant one?
EUIf your going to put photos of your girl in the forum at least get some action shots and don’t forget to collect the bar fines, she may also join the pregnant one.
Eu Contractor
07-14-07, 19:08
If your going to put photos of your girl in the forum at least get some action shots and don’t forget to collect the bar fines, she may also join the pregnant one.
ROTFLMAO :D
...
Have been staying at the Lodge for three days, so feel confident in posting a report since it is also my first stay in the establishment.
...
On my first night, I went to the sports bar, and there were some ladies there who were quite nice on the eyes and pleasant to talk to. The one I wanted though, tried to charge me 3700 Bht for a short time, so I smiled and passed before walking five minutes to Love Teen Massage down the Soi. ...
Rubberyman,
Thanks for your report. I hope you had a good time here at Livingstone's.
Funny price, THB 3,700 - did that include the THB 700 barfine?
The downer - I think it is quite nice to be hidden behind the houses closer to the road. The entry is visible, and what's inside - once people find out most of the like it :) .
Hope to see you again soon.
Giotto
My dear Giotto. Horizontal exercise=shagging. A man as busy as you will not have any time for that, I would have thought, even with Mrs Giotto.
...
You have, or at least used to have, plenty of attractive girls around you to keep that BP elevated, so a calm, steadying, low BP influence is what you need, and remember, no hard cash, just board, food BF and free sex. What price your health mate?Petemcc,
Please tell that Mrs. Giotto :) ! She will ... let's wait and see. IMHO it is completely impossible to live with Thai women and "have no time for that" - they will force you to find the time for that.
Good. May not those from Pattaya ... :):).
My blood pressure btw. is still ok. Surprisingly, admitted, but this might also be caused by my permanent nighly exercises (of coursed I am forced to that)!
What a hard life here in Bangkok! I tell you - please consider to simply stay at home :).
Giotto
Petemcc,
Please tell that Mrs. Giotto :) ! She will ... let's wait and see. IMHO it is completely impossible to live with Thai women and "have no time for that" - they will force you to find the time for that.
Good. May not those from Pattaya ... :):).
My blood pressure btw. is still ok. Surprisingly, admitted, but this might also be caused by my permanent nighly exercises (of coursed I am forced to that)!
What a hard life here in Bangkok! I tell you - please consider to simply stay at home :).
Giotto
Well, I apologise for implying that you don't get enough horizontal exercise, but from what has been said here it's hardly fat burning.
I also get the distinct impression that you don't want me to come to your establishment. That being the case, and despite you, I will go there, but you will not know who I am or when I am staying, so you're going to have to be on your best behaviour until my report appears in print.
See you soon...maybe...or maybe later!
Pete
On the other hand, majestic Suites look nice and I bet the owners áctually want me there!
Rubberyman
07-15-07, 04:52
Giotto,
Bin noch hier.
Can't get rid of me that quickly.
Am trying to research the parlours rather than the bar scene (though I did get fall for a girl for a ST in Soi Cowboy). Bangkok has a good reputation for massage parlours that I figured was worth doing some research on. I have read your extensive report and have been using it as a good guide for where to go. (Although I still have not figured out where Tulip is ;) What is the nearest Skytrain station?
Btw fyi, I was recently in Bratislava (Pressburg) and there were posters up all over the city for an exhibition "Giotto v Bratislave"...you are famous in the Slovak Republic obviously.
Rubberyman,
Long Live the King!
...
I also get the distinct impression that you don't want me to come to your establishment. That being the case, and despite you, I will go there, but you will not know who I am or when I am staying, so you're going to have to be on your best behaviour until my report appears in print.
...
On the other hand, majestic Suites look nice and I bet the owners áctually want me there!Petemcc,
Well, my comment was more targetting the hard live in Bangkok, and with your overweight and high blood pressure - you must be careful.
But anyway, we agreed already on the weight discount procedure. Try to get that at Majestic Suites!!! No way!
But whatever your decision is - come over here when you stay in Bangkok, lets have a drink, I always want to meet "student nurses" :).
Giotto
...
Am trying to research the parlours rather than the bar scene (though I did get fall for a girl for a ST in Soi Cowboy). Bangkok has a good reputation for massage parlours that I figured was worth doing some research on. I have read your extensive report and have been using it as a good guide for where to go. (Although I still have not figured out where Tulip is ;) What is the nearest Skytrain station?
...
Rubberyman,
Try to contact me - I have no idea wo you are! I am around here all day.
Tulip: Thonglor Skytrain station, it is just one station from here, direction out of the city, Ekkamai.
Giotto
Petemcc,
But whatever your decision is - come over here when you stay in Bangkok, lets have a drink, I always want to meet "student nurses" :).
Giotto
Ok, but I'm 2000Bhat ST
Hi,
On my first night, I went to the sports bar, and there were some ladies there who were quite nice on the eyes and pleasant to talk to. The one I wanted though, tried to charge me 3700 Bht for a short time, so I smiled and passed before walking five minutes to Love Teen Massage down the Soi. There, I met an equally charming young lady who relieved my tensions for 2100Bht short time. Again, one of the advantages of this location is that there are plenty of options for someone needing to unload his tensions.Hi Giotto,
I assume the price quoted by Rubberyman is a joke.
What are the standard ST and LT prices of your girls without barfine.
You mentioned that your girls have no customers right now. I do hope that the explanation is low season and not high prices or low quality of service.
Rubberyman
07-15-07, 12:41
Hi Giotto,
Went to the front desk and asked for 'Mr Giotto'.
*Puzzled stares, frowns of concentration*
"Did you mean Mr Johnson?"
'Um no, I replied, Mr Giotto is the gentleman I am after'.
*More puzzled frowns of concentration*
I write down the words "GIOTTO" on paper.
*Ladies look at each other doubtfully*
*staff lady opens spreadsheet on computer*
I smile and say, 'Perhaps he is here later, thank you very much, do not worry.'
Sind Sie vielleicht ein Gespenst eines ehemaligen Malers, wer jetzt in Pressburg wohnt?
Rubberyman.
Es Lebe Der Koenig!
...
I assume the price quoted by Rubberyman is a joke.
What are the standard ST and LT prices of your girls without barfine.
You mentioned that your girls have no customers right now. I do hope that the explanation is low season and not high prices or low quality of service.Hot Lover,
THe standard ST and LT prices should be THB 2000 / THB 3000. But I know that the girls ask for more early in the night, and go for less late night.
Quality of service - I cannot comment on that, it depends for sure on the chemistry between the customer and the girl. Most of the girls have returning customers, so there are always men for which the quality of service is ok.
Giotto
Hot Lover,
THe standard ST and LT prices should be THB 2000 / THB 3000. But I know that the girls ask for more early in the night, and go for less late night.
Quality of service - I cannot comment on that, it depends for sure on the chemistry between the customer and the girl. Most of the girls have returning customers, so there are always men for which the quality of service is ok.
Giotto
Are their pussies lined with gold or something? 1K Bf and 3k LT minimum is either a joke or they do indeed have a gold lining. One thing's for sure mate, I'll not be shagging one of your girls at that price, even if she does my washing and ironing! I hope you won't mind me bringing back a scrag freelancer from somewhere though.
Rubberyman
07-16-07, 12:18
I guess I was a little disappointed because the price I was quoted (she claimed 1200Bht Barfine plus 2500 ST) was so high that I had to politely decline (I asked her to repeat the price, because initially I did not believe my ears).
I had already bought a couple of lady drinks and was warming up to her a lot. Before I got the price shock, the thought of barfining her for a week and lazing round the pool was feeling good.
If she had quoted something closer to the prices obtainable elsewhere very close by, she would have had me hooked, and by now be financially much better off than trying to make a 'one off' killing. I would have liked to spend several times with her. I wonder to what extent the business might like to model the effect of prices on overall take. I could not imagine that the ladies could do the economics, but maybe management might be able to. After all, surely the idea is to get people coming back again and again spending $$.
Having said that, this is not necessarily an easy job for these ladies, and as long as they do not object to a polite refusal, I do not object to them trying to maximise their income.
In any case, it has made my intention to 'research' parlours here a whole lot easier since I am still 'free'.
Are their pussies lined with gold or something? 1K Bf and 3k LT minimum is either a joke or they do indeed have a gold lining. One thing's for sure mate, I'll not be shagging one of your girls at that price, even if she does my washing and ironing! I hope you won't mind me bringing back a scrag freelancer from somewhere though.Pete, it all depends on the chemistry. I always pay 2000 LT without previous negotiations and never had any complaint so far.
In the Sports bar, I once even had a desperate repeat offer for just only the barfine, but I preferred to move on.
Recently I had a girl (A real performer) from a disco at 4am. She happily accepted 2000 after a very hot night that lasted until midday. Later I learned that she works in a high class club where normally just the barfine is 2000 and Lady-drinks are 250.
Pete, it all depends on the chemistry. I always pay 2000 LT without previous negotiations and never had any complaint so far.
In the Sports bar, I once even had a desperate repeat offer for just only the barfine, but I preferred to move on.
Recently I had a girl (A real performer) from a disco at 4am. She happily accepted 2000 after a very hot night that lasted until midday. Later I learned that she works in a high class club where normally just the barfine is 2000 and Lady-drinks are 250.
Thanks Tiger, clearly reality does still exist in BK and at Livingstones, but turning down one for only a BF, wow!! Yuo must have been on a good promise there!
ArchieLeach
07-16-07, 16:53
Giotto,
The days are counting down. It's now less than three months to my visit. Still too far away. I even had a dream last night about what Livingstone's would be like. Good Grief! I wish it was NOW.
Just make sure the Sports Bar is re-staffed for my visit. :)
Archie
I guess I was a little disappointed because the price I was quoted (she claimed 1200Bht Barfine plus 2500 ST) was so high that I had to politely decline (I asked her to repeat the price, because initially I did not believe my ears).
I had already bought a couple of lady drinks and was warming up to her a lot. Before I got the price shock, the thought of barfining her for a week and lazing round the pool was feeling good.
If she had quoted something closer to the prices obtainable elsewhere very close by, she would have had me hooked, and by now be financially much better off than trying to make a 'one off' killing. I would have liked to spend several times with her. I wonder to what extent the business might like to model the effect of prices on overall take. I could not imagine that the ladies could do the economics, but maybe management might be able to. After all, surely the idea is to get people coming back again and again spending $$.
...Rubberyman,
as you stay here there should not be a problem to take the girl out when the bar closes, pay THB 700 barfine and THB 2,000 to the girl. That is for sure possible.
As for the influence of the management towards the price structure: Yes, of course we could run with a complete different pricing model, but we don't want. The ladies in the bar are options for our customers, but there are for more options in the road as well as in Soi Cowboy and Soi Nana. Up to the customers what he prefers.
It is NOT our target to market the Sports Lounge with a low-price strategy and make money with quantities. Definitely NO WAY that we ever do that. It works on this price levels very well.
Giotto
Are their pussies lined with gold or something? 1K Bf and 3k LT minimum is either a joke or they do indeed have a gold lining. One thing's for sure mate, I'll not be shagging one of your girls at that price, even if she does my washing and ironing! I hope you won't mind me bringing back a scrag freelancer from somewhere though.Petemcc,
No problem ... to each his own. As long as the behave and do not disturb other guest they are welcome here at Livingstone's.
Giotto
Thanks Tiger, clearly reality does still exist in BK and at Livingstones, but turning down one for only a BF, wow!! Yuo must have been on a good promise there!To tell you frankly, that offer scared me to some extent.
Thanks Tiger, clearly reality does still exist in BK and at Livingstones, but turning down one for only a BF, wow!! Yuo must have been on a good promise there!Petemcc,
I think Tiger888 is much more aware of the reality here in Bangkok and at Livingstone's than you are :) . It is not a single case that girls go for free if the like a customer. But let them feel that you only want fast sex for a low price, then they will quote high.
Giotto
Traveler1234
07-17-07, 20:06
Hot Lover,
THe standard ST and LT prices should be THB 2000 / THB 3000. But I know that the girls ask for more early in the night, and go for less late night.
Quality of service - I cannot comment on that, it depends for sure on the chemistry between the customer and the girl. Most of the girls have returning customers, so there are always men for which the quality of service is ok.
Giotto
I've not been back since past Feb but based on my 'limited' knowledge the price variation can be quite extreme. Soi 33 has never been 'cheap.
But, for instance, I know that Duni (just as one of many examples) pays well below the rates mentioned above, and he's obviously a hansum young stud...LOL.
The times I barfined someone, never even discussed pricing with them. Maybe because I've stayed there several times, maybe cuz the mamasan knows I am friends with the owner, or maybe because the first few times I stayed also came back with girl in hand and didn't barfine from Sportsman Bar....whatever? The few times I did, just gave her what I thought was a 'fair price'...if ST was great, B2000, otherwise 1500. LT once for 2500 and she didn't bat an eye (well, she did smile and say came back soon). Usually, had good vibes and GFE type experience.
I do agree that 3700 for ST is high - you can go to Edens and get two for that price (before tips), or Nana or Cowboy and get a 2 for same price. Personally I'd walk away if quoted that but again that is Soi 33.
If you act and/or look like a rookie, it's possible they'll ask for the sky and see what happens. Also, I understand G's got a lot of new horses in his stable now and maybe they're all young hotties. Will have to take a closer look next visit :)
IMHO
Rubberyman
07-18-07, 05:53
Hi Giotto,
You wrote: "It is NOT our target to market the Sports Lounge with a low-price strategy and make money with quantities. Definitely NO WAY that we ever do that. It works on this price levels very well."
I understand that, but what I was looking at was providing information to enable the ladies to perhaps better target their prices without it costing them or management. As an example, when I checked in, the lady showed me the room, how to use the safe and pointed out the bars - ie a professional induction for guests. Ok, so an extension to that induction process for no cost to the hotel would be to then offer to introduce the customer to the Mamasan/barkeep at the Sports Bar. Such an introduction might be: "This is Mr Rubberyman, he is going to be here for {However many days} and it is his {First/second/.../twentieth} visit to Bangkok. Once armed with that information, the mamasan can let the girls know, and they can strategise their price points. For a first timer to Bkk who is only going to be there for one night, highball the price, for an experienced traveller who is going to be there for a longer time, target the price lower, or be prepared to explain why the customer is paying a premium. I mean this only as an off the top of my head example of how managment might give the girls information that helps them more accurately set a price without compromising guest privacy.
Hi Giotto,
Went to the front desk and asked for 'Mr Giotto'.
*Puzzled stares, frowns of concentration*
"Did you mean Mr Johnson?"
'Um no, I replied, Mr Giotto is the gentleman I am after'.
*More puzzled frowns of concentration*
I write down the words "GIOTTO" on paper.
*Ladies look at each other doubtfully*
*staff lady opens spreadsheet on computer*
I smile and say, 'Perhaps he is here later, thank you very much, do not worry.'
Sind Sie vielleicht ein Gespenst eines ehemaligen Malers, wer jetzt in Pressburg wohnt?
Rubberyman.
Es Lebe Der Koenig!
Rubbery, if I walk into your place of employment, and ask for Mr rubberyman, will the lovely staff point me in your direction?
Same at Livingstone's. Giotto was in fact an Italian painter / architect, who lived in the 13th century, so he is definitaly NOT roaming the halls of the Lodge.
Giotto, let's get this straight from the start. I know fuck all about business. I have been a man manager, and I supose heve been in the people game for the past 25 years, and two things, sorry, things I have learned are:
1. Be flexible
2. Never say never
3. Never turn down a fuck, as it may be the last one you ever get-OK that isn't really important for this post.
I also know that standards are very important, personal, moral and business, and I hate, when because of political correctness within organisations, I have to compromise my standards to 'tow the party line'.
However there is a saying in English that discretion is the better part of valour. Now in a country like Thailand where the powers that be can just decide to arbitarily [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off every foreigner at short notice ( and take the new computer porn powers for cops), it may be prudent to be flexible and adapt.
Sure, as long as you are pulling in the customers, your girls are happy and getting their elevated wages from their 'work', then everything is great. But when it starts going to shit, which it could do, I would suggest that different strategies are in order.
I don't want to repeat myself, but I couldn't be arsed reviewing my posts, but in Pattaya, a GoGo owner decided to review his BF structure dramatically as well as his drink prices. He has done very well, and has plenty of repeat custom and regular custom as a result. Because it's a small community in Pattaya, others are taking note, apparently, and looking at altering their pricing structures.
With the $US suffering badly against the Bhat, with cheap European destinations like Poland etc becoming more and more popular, punters may start to vote with their feet/plane fares, and decide that ultimately it's not worth paying big bucks for little return.
I'm not saying you are greedy, you have to make a living, and a decent one, but it appears from my readings that punters are getting pissed off with western prices in a third world country.
As I said Giotto, I'm not a business man, but I have seen many business come and go over the years as we all have. There'll always be a place for botique establishments such as yours, but if it becomes a mere hotel rather than a place of holistic enjoyment, then it may be time to start re-thinking strategies.
Personally, I am only spending one night in Bangkok to pretend to myself that I am anything other than a monger. I may be a student, but I have been saving for a fair bit now and will have a fair bit of Bhat to spend, and I will be spending that where I get value for money, Pattaya.
I really do wish you all the best Giotto, I'd like to have my own business and answer to nobody, but I haven't got the bottle or know how, and please take this as advice from someone who votes with their Bhat.
Cheers
Pete
M P Lurker
07-18-07, 12:18
petemcc,
please tell that mrs. giotto :) ! she will ... let's wait and see. imho it is completely impossible to live with thai women and "have no time for that" - they will force you to find the time for that.
giotto
thai girls are smarter than farang girls.
instinct tells them that they want to be the one to get the sperm.
my ex-girlfriend believed that if i wanted to go out without her, then i must perform sexually both before the night out and immediately after.
if the performance was not up to standard there would be hell to pay.
i was obviously cheating if the performance was weak.
unfortunately she knew well that i can only orgasm so many times in the space of a few hours.
once she stopped [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me at least daily, the relationship faded quickly.
i like being raped regularly by my girl. beats waiting for the one time a month my farang ex-wife got horny. she loved me that day and hated me every other day.
M P Lurker
07-18-07, 12:42
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3. Never turn down a fuck, as it may be the last one you ever get-OK that isn't really important for this post.
I also know that standards are very important, personal, moral and business, and I hate, when because of political correctness within organisations, I have to compromise my standards to 'tow the party line'.
I don't want to repeat myself, but I couldn't be arsed reviewing my posts, but in Pattaya, a GoGo owner decided to review his BF structure dramatically as well as his drink prices. He has done very well, and has plenty of repeat custom and regular custom as a result. Because it's a small community in Pattaya, others are taking note, apparently, and looking at altering their pricing structures.
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As I said Giotto, I'm not a business man, but I have seen many business come and go over the years as we all have. There'll always be a place for botique establishments such as yours, but if it becomes a mere hotel rather than a place of holistic enjoyment, then it may be time to start re-thinking strategies.
Personally, I am only spending one night in Bangkok to pretend to myself that I am anything other than a monger. I may be a student, but I have been saving for a fair bit now and will have a fair bit of Bhat to spend, and I will be spending that where I get value for money, Pattaya.
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Pete
Giotto must be getting bored by all the advice on how to run his business, especially all the stuff about competing with Pattaya by trying to attract all the cheap charlies.
If hes not, then I am bored by it.
I think Giotto is likely to want tomaintain a reasonable level of class in his establishment to attract customers like me. We are very impressed by the value for money offered by the Lodge which is hard to beat on Sukhumwit area. The Restaurant was good enough to bring me back regularly.
The girls were also classy enough to bring me back regularly.
The economics of keeping a bevy of attractive girls in the sports bar requires pricing strategies that the boss best understands.
The bargain basement guys will find lower class girls somewhere else (probably not Soi 33). Livingstone Lodge is doing well. Low season is low season.
Lets get to topics vaguely related to oportunities for sex with dream girls.
Giotto, let's get this straight from the start. I know fuck all about business. I have been a man manager, and I supose heve been in the people game for the past 25 years, and two things, sorry, things I have learned are:
1. Be flexible
2. Never say never
3. Never turn down a fuck, as it may be the last one you ever get-OK that isn't really important for this post.
I also know that standards are very important, personal, moral and business, and I hate, when because of political correctness within organisations, I have to compromise my standards to 'tow the party line'.
However there is a saying in English that discretion is the better part of valour. Now in a country like Thailand where the powers that be can just decide to arbitarily [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off every foreigner at short notice ( and take the new computer porn powers for cops), it may be prudent to be flexible and adapt.
Sure, as long as you are pulling in the customers, your girls are happy and getting their elevated wages from their 'work', then everything is great. But when it starts going to shit, which it could do, I would suggest that different strategies are in order.
I don't want to repeat myself, but I couldn't be arsed reviewing my posts, but in Pattaya, a GoGo owner decided to review his BF structure dramatically as well as his drink prices. He has done very well, and has plenty of repeat custom and regular custom as a result. Because it's a small community in Pattaya, others are taking note, apparently, and looking at altering their pricing structures.
With the $US suffering badly against the Bhat, with cheap European destinations like Poland etc becoming more and more popular, punters may start to vote with their feet/plane fares, and decide that ultimately it's not worth paying big bucks for little return.
I'm not saying you are greedy, you have to make a living, and a decent one, but it appears from my readings that punters are getting pissed off with western prices in a third world country.
As I said Giotto, I'm not a business man, but I have seen many business come and go over the years as we all have. There'll always be a place for botique establishments such as yours, but if it becomes a mere hotel rather than a place of holistic enjoyment, then it may be time to start re-thinking strategies.
Personally, I am only spending one night in Bangkok to pretend to myself that I am anything other than a monger. I may be a student, but I have been saving for a fair bit now and will have a fair bit of Bhat to spend, and I will be spending that where I get value for money, Pattaya.
I really do wish you all the best Giotto, I'd like to have my own business and answer to nobody, but I haven't got the bottle or know how, and please take this as advice from someone who votes with their Bhat.
Cheers
PetePetemcc,
Thanks for your advice.
Hmm...what exactly do you mean :) ?
Giotto
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Giotto was in fact an Italian painter / architect, who lived in the 13th century....Thanks, Mr. Vice President,
Nobody is really familiar with the name "Giotto" in here. And I would be surprised if some of our regular staff would know the real Giotto :).
As mentioned many times: If somebody wants to find me here please ask for the Boss.
Giotto
M P Lurker
07-18-07, 12:52
Rubbery, if I walk into your place of employment, and ask for Mr rubberyman, will the lovely staff point me in your direction?
Same at Livingstone's. Giotto was in fact an Italian painter / architect, who lived in the 13th century, so he is definitaly NOT roaming the halls of the Lodge.
Giotto should have chosen a more exotic name so everyone would have been too embarassed to utter it, like my name for example.
Hopefully its very obvious I like licking beautiful pussy.
BTW is '1Ball' a pool ball or a bald-head or a special ball attached to the old- fella (pardon my Aussie slang)?
I used to have a mate at school whose nick name was "balls" because he liked ball play, I guess.
Bad luck to the Thai team getting done by Aus 2 nights ago. 4-0 was not a true reflection of the game.
There is too much luck in it.
Traveler1234
07-18-07, 14:59
giotto, let's get this straight from the start. i know fuck all about business. i have been a man manager, and i supose heve been in the people game for the past 25 years, and two things, sorry, things i have learned are:
1. be flexible
2. never say never
3. never turn down a fuck, as it may be the last one you ever get-ok that isn't really important for this post.
cheers
pete
hey pete....
no flame intended but this is really getting boring and off the topic of getting laid.
we all have our own opinions re how to manage a business. i know for a fact that the peep inn is for sale....want to partner up and buy it so that we can offer a cheaper alternative to livingstone's on soi 33?
imho
Giotto must be getting bored by ..... all the cheap charlies.
If hes not, then I am bored by it.
Fucking Amen to that.
Enough of the bullshit about discounts, it is not funny, and it is not interesting. Nobody fucking cares.
To all punters who can't afford Livingstone.............
DON'T STAY THERE, AND STOP BOTHERING THE BOSS.
BTW is '1Ball' a pool ball or a bald-head or a special ball attached to the old- fella (pardon my Aussie slang)?
it means you are unfortunate enough to have 2. Girls are fascinated by the whole thing, BTW.
1Ball, as a doctor once said to a friend who contracted an infection in one of them following a hernia operation:
"Two's a luxury, one's a neccesity"
He was back in the theatre next day.
Guys,
let's sort it out.
Pete, we had some fun with the discount discussion, and I am responsible for that as well as you are. But really, this is not Pattaya, will not be Pattaya - and btw.: There is a real Pattaya where everybody can travel, and visit those discount bars, discount girls - and whatever else is there.
I run Livingstone's in Soi 33. That is a different thing. I know what I do. Livingstone's is not a Pattaya GoGo Bar, not a beer bar, not a brothel. It is basically a hotel, for business and leasure customers. And there is the Sports Lounge. If you stay in the hotel you don't need to go there. But you can...and you find women there.
That's what it is. And - I like it as it is.
Mr. Vice President, Mr. Marketing Director, I apologize for the confusion. But basically I was responsible for that discussion with Petemcc. It is a very old discussion, with a lot of fun in it - remember the reports when he applied for a job as bar tender.
Sorry.
Giotto
Giotto must be getting bored by all the advice on how to run his business ... all the cheap charlies.
If hes not, then I am bored by it.
MiggiLiggi,
Thanks - and YES, a very clear statement, I DO NOT WANT THE CHEAP CHARLIES HERE AT LIVINGSTONE'S!
If you cannot afford this place - there is nothing wrong with you then, it is just a budget problem. Then - please, there are SO MANY places in Bangkok. There really are!
Giotto
I understand that, but what I was looking at was providing information to enable the ladies to perhaps better target their prices without it costing them or management. As an example, when I checked in, the lady showed me the room, how to use the safe and pointed out the bars - ie a professional induction for guests. Ok, so an extension to that induction process for no cost to the hotel would be to then offer to introduce the customer to the Mamasan/barkeep at the Sports Bar. Such an introduction might be: "This is Mr Rubberyman, he is going to be here for {However many days} and it is his {First/second/.../twentieth} visit to Bangkok. ...
Rubberyman,
I am just in clarifying mode: No, we will NOT introduce hotel guests to the girls, LIVINGSTONE'S IS NOT A BROTHEL!
You will introduce yourself, if you want to get into contact to some of our girls. If you don't want - THEY WILL NOT KNOW YOU. Discretion, the secret word. You decide what you want, you do what you want...
If you need support you contact me or the management, and things will be easy! Because then - I (or the management) know what you want. And WE (not the girls) can deal with that.
I hope that clarifies the issue.
Giotto
Pete - stop your whining. Forget about a discount. I'll give you $20 to make up the difference for what you want to pay, just to stop your whining. For a man of your age, $20 shouldn't be an issue.
mr. vice president, mr. marketing director, i apologize for the confusion. but basically i was responsible for that discussion with petemcc. it is a very old discussion, with a lot of fun in it - remember the reports when he applied for a job as bar tender.
sorry.
giotto
it was fun for a nanosecond. remember i posted about lawyers getting a 50% surcharge. but it is no longer funny. asking for a discount repeatedly in an open forum should be embarrassing, especially when one has been told no, but i guess it isn't. let's move on, and direct the cheapo charlies to the peep in, which t1234 is in the process of buying. ;)
Member #3160
07-19-07, 03:19
I'm planning to visit LOS again later this year and will of course be staying at Livingstone's again for a few days. After that I'm planning to go to a few different places - up to Isaan to have a poke around a few sights there, before going down to some of the less developed islands for some R&R.
Since I'm planning to go to quiet places this time round, I'm thinking of finding myself a general helper/translator/companion in BKK to accompany me for a week or so while I'm out in the sticks. I was wondering if this would be something that any of the Sports Bar girls might be willing to do. Is this something that anyone else has done? What would be the practicalities and pitfalls, if any? (a big barfine for a start, I'm guessing)
giotto, thanks for sort off sticking up for me. the rest of you, well, i'm sorry for not being able to hold your attention for as long as a nanosecond. you didn't have to take part, you could have ignored me, but whatever.
as for buying anything in thailand, well the only things i buy are sex, alcohol and food, and i suppose temporary accommodation, so no thanks to the peep inn.
once again, i apologise for even daring to take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of anyone, see you on the other forums cos i'm not welcome here.
cheers.
Since I'm planning to go to quiet places this time round, I'm thinking of finding myself a general helper/translator/companion in BKK to accompany me for a week or so while I'm out in the sticks. I was wondering if this would be something that any of the Sports Bar girls might be willing to do. Is this something that anyone else has done? What would be the practicalities and pitfalls, if any? (a big barfine for a start, I'm guessing)
Very good idea. Things to consider
1. Compatibility - Make sure you both like each other enough to keep company 24 hrs a day.
2. Bar fine for every day. Negotiate with mamasan. Don't expect a discount. I didn't.
3. BG fees per day. 2500B+. Negotiate and both should be happy with the amount agreed on, and the schedule of payment. However, do not pay in advance.
Traveler1234
07-19-07, 18:53
it was fun for a nanosecond. remember i posted about lawyers getting a 50% surcharge. but it is no longer funny. asking for a discount repeatedly in an open forum should be embarrassing, especially when one has been told no, but i guess it isn't. let's move on, and direct the cheapo charlies to the peep in, which t1234 is in the process of buying. ;)
1ball
many thanks for the vote of confidence.
unfortunately brother pete refused my offer to partner up on the purchase of the peep inn so i am looking for investors to come up with an alternative to that dump lodge next door....
you know their tricks: pads the bar bill, double charges on bf, provides absolutely no in room amenities and has the balls to charge $1800 after isg discount for a room. when you ask for directions or advice, they tell you to go to cupidity mp, etc. etc.
wtf - how can the brothers on this forum permit such scandalous pricing and rip-offs. cum one, cum all....send your investments to the peep inn investment fund, soi 33, # 15, room 115, attention t1234.
over and out!
ps
by the way, don't have time to provide a proper proforma p/l, estimate on roi, etc. etc. but my thinking is we charge b150 per room, bf will be b300, make sure the bg don't charge more than b1000 for lt, and for the first 6 months, all drinks on the house for isg members. if you're a lawyer, contrary to 1ball's recommendation, everything is on the house....in fact the first lawyer to respond, i'll offer him side line position as papasan (with freebies to test each bg for service, quality, etc.). and if the bg from g's move to our new place, i'll double your bf take from our investment fund.
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Since I'm planning to go to quiet places this time round, I'm thinking of finding myself a general helper/translator/companion in BKK to accompany me for a week or so while I'm out in the sticks. I was wondering if this would be something that any of the Sports Bar girls might be willing to do. Is this something that anyone else has done? What would be the practicalities and pitfalls, if any? (a big barfine for a start, I'm guessing)Member #3160,
That has been done by many customers already. And - if you come here and talk to me FIRST (without asking for Giotto - of course) then we will find the right person who can take care of you. This will NOT NECESSARILY be the lady which is the most sexy one (in your POV) .
OK - what I wrote is quite confusing, but in a way very clear.
Now - a big barfine. Yikes!
This strategy has two aspects. You can make a deal with us (mamasan) any time, and we will find a good agreement about the barfine for a girl for a longer period - everybody will be happy. But then - after a day or two or three - you suddenly consider that other girls are interesting, too ...
Recommendation: Come here and talk to me !!!
Giotto
Giotto, thanks for sort off sticking up for me.
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Once again, I apologise for even daring to take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of anyone, see you on the other forums cos I'm not welcome here.
Cheers.Petemcc,
now I will kick your ass.
You play your games here, in an open internet forum, as we all do. And we had some fun ... but the fun for us is not necessarily the fun for others. Now, that somebody writes some criticism - and you show the white feather ( in Germany we say you move in "tail")...
You know what?
People have different opinions about "fun". What is fun for you is not necessarily fun for others. But - stick with your opinion and go for it! If you did not like the comment of some of the posters here - articulate it, write it, kick their asses as they kicked yours - BUT DON'T WRITE NONSENSE like "I'm not welcome here!"
Do you have any idea how many times this happend to me? You think this forum would exist if I pulled out after somebody criticized me?
Face it, man, show that you have a backbone!
Giotto
Very good idea. Things to consider
1. Compatibility - Make sure you both like each other enough to keep company 24 hrs a day.
2. Bar fine for every day. Negotiate with mamasan. Don't expect a discount. I didn't.
3. BG fees per day. 2500B+. Negotiate and both should be happy with the amount agreed on, and the schedule of payment. However, do not pay in advance.Sir,
BESTARD, BESTARD, BESTARD!!
We will prepare a new bar fine regulation - only for you.
(You pay the THB prices in US$!!!!!!!!!!!! (in advance :))
Giotto
...
by the way, don't have time to provide a proper proforma p/l, estimate on roi, etc. etc. but my thinking is we charge b150 per room, bf will be b300, make sure the bg don't charge more than b1000 for lt, and for the first 6 months, all drinks on the house for isg members. if you're a lawyer, contrary to 1ball's recommendation, everything is on the house....in fact the first lawyer to respond, i'll offer him side line position as papasan (with freebies to test each bg for service, quality, etc.). and if the bg from g's move to our new place, i'll double your bf take from our investment fund.mr. marketing director,
lol.
if peep inn is really for buy - we will buy it! and then livingstone's will grow ... :) .
"and if the bg from g's move to our new place" - you are dreaming, man, the bgs from napoleon, christies, renoir are applying for jobs here at the moment, because there are no customers on those bars. obviously we are not making too many mistakes...
btw: business is very well in the moment, despite the low season.
peace, guys, agree to disagree!
giotto
...
You know their tricks: pads the bar bill, double charges on BF, provides absolutely no in room amenities and has the balls to charge $1800 after ISG discount for a room. When you ask for directions or advice, they tell you to go to Cupidity MP, etc. etc.
...
Mr. Marketing Director,
You forgot to mention our plastic chairs and cheap furniture... :) .
Time to develop this to a new marketing strategy.
Pete, you see, sometimes this forum is really fun :):) !
Giotto
Traveler1234
07-19-07, 21:13
mr. marketing director,
lol.
if peep inn is really for buy - we will buy it! and then livingstone's will grow ... :)
giotto
next time i visit, we should seriously sit down to talk about this. anyone else interested, pm.
Petemcc,
now I will kick your ass.
You play your games here, in an open internet forum, as we all do. And we had some fun ... but the fun for us is not necessarily the fun for others. Now, that somebody writes some criticism - and you show the white feather ( in Germany we say you move in "tail")...
You know what?
People have different opinions about "fun". What is fun for you is not necessarily fun for others. But - stick with your opinion and go for it! If you did not like the comment of some of the posters here - articulate it, write it, kick their asses as they kicked yours - BUT DON'T WRITE NONSENSE like "I'm not welcome here!"
Do you have any idea how many times this happend to me? You think this forum would exist if I pulled out after somebody criticized me?
Face it, man, show that you have a backbone!
Giotto
Coincidental with my last strop, I spilt some wine on my keyboard. It was of course cheap wine so there was no loss, apart from my keyboard functionality, so this morning I forked out $30 for a new keyboard. Now I won't tell you what that can buy you in that dreadful, sordid Sin City a few hours south of Bangkok.
Also, I am the acting security manager at the hospital ( getting paid less than the plebs), and have discovered that my management style as per police and prisons is not tolerated. When I sent one wanker an email-an it's a long story which said ' what makes you think you deserve a reply, do you own the intellectual property rights for the database?' I got caned, dragged over the coals, told it was workplace bullying and harassment and I had to apologise to the employee (which I didn't). I was then told that in the 21 century, you are not allowed to upset anyone anymore and if you feel one bit upset or bullied that you can seek redress and complain about harassment and bullying.
Being a good and diligent employee, they type who would make an excellent barman/nurse, I took on board what was said to me and decided to try to work within the confines of 21 century accepted behaviour. Thus when I was upset on this board I immediately submitted a formal complaint to my manager who is on holiday in the Czech Republic, and who will be coming to Sin City with me next year, and maybe BKK. It fell on deaf ears, so I re-grew my spine and I am back, back to being the twat I always was.
To my potential business partners. Not only do I have no money to invest, but LOS would be the last place I would put it. You have also seen my confusion about management styles. One minute I'd be punching some complaining customer in the head, the next I'd be giving him a full refund and a freebie next time around. I am not the kind of person who would be a good investor in your venture, because I would want to be there and get involved, and as just stated, that would not be good.
But anyway, I'm back!
Coincidental with my last strop, I spilt some wine on my keyboard. It was of course cheap wine so there was no loss, apart from my keyboard functionality, so this morning I forked out $30 for a new keyboard. Now I won't tell you what that can buy you in that dreadful, sordid Sin City a few hours south of Bangkok.
Also, I am the acting security manager at the hospital ( getting paid less than the plebs), and have discovered that my management style as per police and prisons is not tolerated. When I sent one wanker an email-an it's a long story which said ' what makes you think you deserve a reply, do you own the intellectual property rights for the database?' I got caned, dragged over the coals, told it was workplace bullying and harassment and I had to apologise to the employee (which I didn't). I was then told that in the 21 century, you are not allowed to upset anyone anymore and if you feel one bit upset or bullied that you can seek redress and complain about harassment and bullying.
Being a good and diligent employee, they type who would make an excellent barman/nurse, I took on board what was said to me and decided to try to work within the confines of 21 century accepted behaviour. Thus when I was upset on this board I immediately submitted a formal complaint to my manager who is on holiday in the Czech Republic, and who will be coming to Sin City with me next year, and maybe BKK. It fell on deaf ears, so I re-grew my spine and I am back, back to being the twat I always was.
To my potential business partners. Not only do I have no money to invest, but LOS would be the last place I would put it.
But anyway, I'm back!
Neither would I invest in LOS [Land of scams]. But a German guy in Pattaya told me that of all the (skilled) foreigners he knows who work in Pattaya during the last 10 years, those who haven't become millionaires (he means Euros) must have mistaken work with holiday.
Pete, If you really need it, I can find you a room in Soi 22 for 500 Baht with shower and aircon. The place is newly open and run by a girl who owns a bar. It is not my cup of tea, but considering how much it costs it is pretty good.
That way you have the money left for a daily barfine at the sports bar.
Neither would I invest in LOS [Land of scams]. But a German guy in Pattaya told me that of all the (skilled) foreigners he knows who work in Pattaya during the last 10 years, those who haven't become millionaires (he means Euros) must have mistaken work with holiday.
Pete, If you really need it, I can find you a room in Soi 22 for 500 Baht with shower and aircon. The place is newly open and run by a girl who owns a bar. It is not my cup of tea, but considering how much it costs it is pretty good.
That way you have the money left for a daily barfine at the sports bar.
Sounds good to me Tiger, PM me with details when you have some time please.
Pete
... i re-grew my spine and i am back, back to being the twat i always was.
to my potential business partners. not only do i have no money to invest, but los would be the last place i would put it. you have also seen my confusion about management styles. one minute i'd be punching some complaining customer in the head, the next i'd be giving him a full refund and a freebie next time around. i am not the kind of person who would be a good investor in your venture, because i would want to be there and get involved, and as just stated, that would not be good.
but anyway, i'm back!petemcc,
lol. welcome back.
come on, peep inn should not be that expensive, and then you can build up your own bar, be the barman and hotel nurse, and implement your own price structure on room rates and bar fines.
how is that?
giotto
petemcc,
lol. welcome back.
come on, peep inn should not be that expensive, and then you can build up your own bar, be the barman and hotel nurse, and implement your own price structure on room rates and bar fines.
how is that?
giotto
all i need is a friendly german entrepeneur who has made a load of money to put up the capital for me!
ArchieLeach
07-21-07, 10:12
the peep inn idea made me laugh. i put together development deals, and i was just thinking what my guys would say if i presented them with this opportunity. i think they'd never talk to me again. lol but it might be worth it for the looks if nothing else. i'd pay money to see their faces.
i could assure them that i would monitor the acquisition and redevelopment personally. i'm that dedicated.
lol
Traveler1234
07-21-07, 15:15
Archie: so, count you in?
Pete: welcome back, although after the part re spilling wine on the keyboard, didnt' understand another word you wrote!
LOL
T1234
Archie: so, count you in?
Pete: welcome back, although after the part re spilling wine on the keyboard, didnt' understand another word you wrote!
LOL
T1234
It's a new keyboard, shit either you are drunk or I am.
ArchieLeach
07-22-07, 14:12
I don't think I can do business with alcoholics. ;)
Party, yes. Business, no.
I don't think I can do business with alcoholics. ;)
Party, yes. Business, no.
I am not an alcoholic anymore. Because of the new management style I have been shown, I believe that I now have a problem with the social consumption of alcoholic beverages which can be cured by talking to me nicely and allowing me to express my frustration with having to turn up to work to get paid.
I still believe a retired mongers island in the South Pacific region with nurses and frequent imports would be a good bet.
Here's some good business advice:
It's better to be 'expensive' than 'cheap'.
Why?
Because the 'cheap' places only have customers because they are 'cheap'. Price sensitive customers -- they have no loyalty to you, only loyalty to the lowest price.
The problem is that whatever business you're in, someone will always go cheaper. So if you have a hotel room going for $30/night, and it's the cheapest... what if someone offers a room for $27/night? Then you just lost your customer!
And how much are you really profiting by charging so little (and working on volume)?
Wouldn't it be better to market to a more 'high-end' clientele and charge $200 USD/night? Instead of trying to sell 6-8 room at $25-30/night, why not just sell one room for $200/night?
You only deal with one guest, profit is much higher, and your guest is staying with you not because of price, but because of the other things you offer (whatever that may be).
So I think Giotto is doing a decent job -- and probably could get away with charging even more...
ArchieLeach
07-23-07, 11:01
what if someone offers a room for $27/night?
Then Pete will complain that it's not $25.
Sorry mate, just messing with ya. I'll send you some discount coupons to make up for it. ;)
Then Pete will complain that it's not $25.
Sorry mate, just messing with ya. I'll send you some discount coupons to make up for it. ;)
I'm not a cheap Charlie, I just recognise value for money, and that extra 2 dollars is almost a beer in Bangkok. Got any beer discount coupons?
The Wanderer
07-23-07, 14:55
I'm not a cheap Charlie, I just recognise value for money, and that extra 2 dollars is almost a beer in Bangkok. Got any beer discount coupons?
And exactly how much does a beer cost where you live?
The Wanderer
07-23-07, 14:59
Oh BTW I stopped at Livingstones on three occasions in May/June and thought it excellent value.
Only one complaint:- Giotto, crap pool side seats, can you take this up with the Marketing Manager?
And exactly how much does a beer cost where you live?
I buy it it cartons of 24. Full strength (4.8%) about 42 dollars. I drink at home, I have a problem with the social consumption of alcohol. Sometimes it's less than 40 dollars.
I never go out. People look at me and some even try to talk to me. I prefer to sit in front of my keyboard and drink until I fall asleep. The real world doesn't excite me, only Pattaya. Bangkok is too real I think.
Traveler1234
07-23-07, 17:24
oh btw i stopped at livingstones on three occasions in may/june and thought it excellent value.
only one complaint:- giotto, crap pool side seats, can you take this up with the marketing manager?
unfortunately i was not involved in getting the new pool table and it's obviously too large to also permit additional side-line stools. giotto had to decide on a smaller table for pool only, or a larger table that served the dual purpose of gangbangs (instead of down in the dungeon) after the bar closed :)
i'd also like to knock out that center beam but fear the gymnastics in the rooms above would then cause the roof to topple upon us. alas, always work in progress....it never ends.
this won't be repeated when we purchase the peep inn and design the renovations.
marketing mgr
t1234
Oh BTW I stopped at Livingstones on three occasions in May/June and thought it excellent value.
Only one complaint:- Giotto, crap pool side seats, can you take this up with the Marketing Manager?The Wanderer,
Thanks! I think you are talking about hte seats during day time - we have really nice pool side sun bath seats - but for sure they were not prepared when you were here.
Next time just ask :) ...
Giotto
since i'm planning to go to quiet places this time round, i'm thinking of finding myself a general helper/translator/companion in bkk to accompany me for a week or so while i'm out in the sticks. i was wondering if this would be something that any of the sports bar girls might be willing to do. is this something that anyone else has done? what would be the practicalities and pitfalls, if any? (a big barfine for a start, i'm guessing)3160,
i did this myself back in april when i was at livingstones. i only needed a guide for a day tour around the major sites in bangkok, so i can't speak for the long term deal, but short term it worked pretty well.
basically, giotto's # 2 and their mamasan set up the deal for me. they knew which girls speak english the best and would be able to show me around easily enough. the package that we worked out began the night before the day trip by having me bf the young lady for lt. since the young lady knew this a couple of days ahead of time (when we worked it all out) she was able to pack accordingly for the next evening and day with extra clothes and whatever, when she turned up for work. then after a fun night of activities we could wake up and began our journey. we spent the entire day down by the river, in chinatown, at the major palaces and temples and had a blast. unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to see the sun go down in this one particular tower that giotto's # 2 recommended because i was pretty well exhausted. partying all night and doing the tourist thing all day can tire a guy out!.
overall, it worked out pretty well. no regrets here. the only thing i'd recommend is taking some time, spend an evening in the bar and get to know the girls and who you think you'd be most comfortable with for a multi-day excursion. yeah, it may end up being costing you a lot of bar drinks, but it is a great investment in your holiday. although i did enjoy my time with the lady i was with, i don't think it would have been so great spending an entire week together. but that most likely is because i'm a bit of a butterfly as the girls would put it. lol.
also, if any of you guys ever feel like doing a lot of souvenir shopping, bring one of giotto's lovelies along with you. just arrange a lt barfine the night before with the mamasan and girl. then the next night, when she shows up around 5-6pm go out shopping for a few hours, and then come back for dinner and fun. the girls should be able to point out some good shopping areas for souvenirs and whatever you may want, and will ensure that you don't get overcharged like a total bangkok rookie. the girls like this because they don't have to dress up in that nights costume (they can dress casually and comfortably) and they get taken out to dinner by a handsome guest of giotto's!
anway, have some fun.
crapgame out.
ps...giotto, btw how did the rest of the girls respond to the speech regarding your pregnant bg and their superstitions? are they still there? did you have to do a housecleaning of the ladies? did you have to put any over your knee and spank them? lol
ArchieLeach
07-24-07, 11:39
Yes, I am also eagerly awaiting tales of the Soap Opera regarding the pregnant BG. :)
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i did this myself back in april when i was at livingstones. i only needed a guide for a day tour around the major sites in bangkok, so i can't speak for the long term deal, but short term it worked pretty well.
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ps...giotto, btw how did the rest of the girls respond to the speech regarding your pregnant bg and their superstitions? are they still there? did you have to do a housecleaning of the ladies? did you have to put any over your knee and spank them? lolcrap game,
correct, we can arrange all that, and a customer of the sports lounge can even arrange that by himself, if he finds someone he likes, and the girl likes to stay with him for some days. we furthermore can arrange drivers who show you arround all day - but what is a driver compared to a lovely woman :) ???
now - the pregnancy story.
after a few more days of trouble i decided to be straight forward. i asked that pregnant girl whether she herself believed that nonsense, that if a pregnant girl works in a bar the bar has no customer. she says that she believes it !!! so - i sent her home, until the problem is fixed, in one or the other way. if she believes that by herself, then she must take over responsibility and avoid a negative impact of her situation on her collegues.
she was ok with that!
she then wanted to discuss with me what she should do. i could only answer that i really don't want to get involved into this decision, everybody must make this decision for himself. nobody can give good advice in such a case.
and that was - the end of the story.
giotto
Badboy9613
07-25-07, 20:09
Giotto,
Is there a problem with the Livingstone's website? I have been trying to get on in order to send an e-mail in reference to my August reservation and have not had any luck. It may be my connection but was just wondering.
Thanks!
Twisted Monkey
07-26-07, 02:44
Hi all,
Well coming back to the lodge this weekend after a 2 week stay in india. You have absolutely no idea how much I am looking forward to getting back to Bangkok. Really no idea.
Anyway, this should probably be posted in the Bangkok thread but since giotto could set his watch to me the last time I was there, I figured it was germane to this thread. My happy place (along with the lodge) is going to suzie wong's at soi cowboy for the 10: 30 lesbian show. Thoughts of it get me through days in calcutta and other places that I would describe as less than fun IMHO.
A friend informed me the lesbian show was no more. Please tell me it aint so. Does anybody know about this?
Giotto look forward to seeing you again for our usual dose of political conversations and about the good will and service oriented culture of Thailand.
Cheers,
Twisted Monkey
Giotto,
Is there a problem with the Livingstone's website? I have been trying to get on in order to send an e-mail in reference to my August reservation and have not had any luck. It may be my connection but was just wondering.
Thanks!Badboy9613,
I can get it - without any problems. The link:
http://www.livingstones.co.th
If you cannot connect then send an E-Mail directly to:
mailto://info@livingstones.co.th
Thanks
Giotto
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Well coming back to the lodge this weekend after a 2 week stay in india. You have absolutely no idea how much I am looking forward to getting back to Bangkok. Really no idea.
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Twisted Monkey,
Sorry to tell you - but this weekend is a high Buddhist Holiday, all bars closed, no alcohol sold, sex is not allowed and will be charged with life-long imprisonment, all girls left Bangkok...
The gay bars are open... :) .
Giotto
PS: Or may be not :) ?
She then wanted to discuss with me what she should do. I could only answer that I really don't want to get involved into this decision, everybody must make this decision for himself. Nobody can give good advice in such a case.
GiottoGiotto,
That in itself, is the best advice.
Alvinyanto, nobody seems to be helping you with your quest.
It is not easy to find girls in Bali. they normally hide under small rocks, or behind trees. Some of the more daring girls have been known to hide in the small holes made by crabs on the beach.
That said, they sell a girl detector at the airport, at a small kiosk next to the "villas for sale" touts. It looks similar to a metal detector, so after you have charged it for a continuous 92 hours, you hook it to your left leg, and in a general sweeping motion, fling it left and right, as you walk down the street, on the beach, in a bar, or in a night club.
If you hear a low pitched "ADUHHHH", keep moving, you have hit a man in the leg.
If you hear a high pitch "ADUHHHH", you have truck gold. If the leg isn't broken, pick up the girl, and bring her back to your cave.
Since I am the manufacturer of this innovative piece of equipment, I offer it to ISG members at the bargain price of only 299.99 US$. Just show your membership card to the sales girl, prior to exiting the airport.
hope that helps.Mr. Vice President,
I just read this in the Indonesia forum...LOL :) .
Is the piece of equipment also available in a version to detect Thai women?
Giotto
M P Lurker
07-31-07, 21:55
Twisted Monkey,
Sorry to tell you - but this weekend is a high Buddhist Holiday, all bars closed, no alcohol sold, sex is not allowed and will be charged with life-long imprisonment, all girls left Bangkok...
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Lucky I came to see Miss J on Friday.
The meal was greatand we played pool. I won 7 games to 6 but it cost me since she has improved since last time and me not.
I expected to win at least 3 games to her one so set price at she to pay 100 Baht for a loss and me to pay 300 Baht for a loss.
In the end she was trying to find ways to put me off my game.
Touching me up wasn't working but eventually she found the solution. Kissing my face very close to the mouth made my lipsand tongue hungry and did put me off a smooth shot somewhat. Soon we got a bit carried away.
In the end ended up bar-fining her for the night despite intentions to be on good behaviour.
This week have taken the GF to Koh Tao and Koh Nang Yuan (2 hours north of Koh Samui). This place is superb and has nice coral to view. May not be much Thai girl action though. Some of the waitresses here are Burmese but not very pretty.
Fortunately the GF is happy to provide sex despite the Buddhist Holiday.
Playing up is quite limited these days but I am having a great time with the GF. She doesn't bore me at all whereas sometimes a visit to a massage parlour can be quite ordinary.
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This week have taken the GF to Koh Tao and Koh Nang Yuan (2 hours north of Koh Samui). This place is superb and has nice coral to view. May not be much Thai girl action though. Some of the waitresses here are Burmese but not very pretty.
Fortunately the GF is happy to provide sex despite the Buddhist Holiday.
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Mick Licker,
Sex during those high Buddhist holidays - she must be Thai, cannot survive without it :) !
Giotto
Member #3428
08-03-07, 16:30
I was in BKK for work and was staying at Chaophya Park as that was where I was placed for the visit. Every night we ran out and had only a few hours of play time so after the work finished I stayed a few days and transfered to Livingstones. I figured hey, they post all over the place so I mind as well spend my money there then at other places.
At first we had a terrible time finding the place, a few spins around the block but we finally found it. Checked in, dropped of my bags, and I ran out to pick up a BG I had the night before that I only had five hours with and we were clicking so I thought I would BF her again and spend real LT with her.
Turns out we stayed together the entire time at Livingstones together. I never even got into the Bar!! So I can't comment on even what the bar looks like. The food service was very very good, I have to admit that one and what kind of surprised me, the staff treated the girl I was with excellent. I would have thought they might not treat her that well as she was from outside but the ladies and the staff at Livingstones really treated her excellent.
The room was nice and the tub, while it did fill slowly, turned out to be put to good use. Giotto and the staff were always around the help out if we had any issues which we didn't. So I gotta say, if you are new or experienced in BKK, look at staying here as I will be coming back. And if you are stuck at another hotel, stop over for a meal atleast.
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Turns out we stayed together the entire time at Livingstones together. I never even got into the Bar!! So I can't comment on even what the bar looks like. The food service was very very good, I have to admit that one and what kind of surprised me, the staff treated the girl I was with excellent. I would have thought they might not treat her that well as she was from outside but the ladies and the staff at Livingstones really treated her excellent.
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Tansak KTV,
Thanks, good to hear some good news after those hard days...today we finally stabilized the last broken system from the power shock of Monday morning. This is a country ... I can tell you.
To treat girls correctly is essential for the success of the Sports Lounge and the restaurant. If they like it here they come back, and they bring their customers to us. They might even consider to work here one day...
On the other hand - they are guests as everybody else in here, and who are we here to judge about others.
I hope to see you back here soon.
Giotto
Member #3428
08-04-07, 06:47
To treat girls correctly is essential for the success of the Sports Lounge and the restaurant. If they like it here they come back, and they bring their customers to us. They might even consider to work here one day...
Very true, but it was surprising to me to see how she was treated as I have had issues at other places in the past taking in outsiders. So it was refreshing, and you're right she does want to go back to eat there again so I wouldn't be surprised if you see her show up with others and I definitely will be back.
M P Lurker
08-05-07, 10:56
Mick Licker,
Sex during those high Buddhist holidays - she must be Thai, cannot survive without it :) !
Giotto
Not every Thai is hot for sex, but I learned the hard way that it is a very important criteria (correction - the most important criteria) for selecting a girlfriend, amoung others.
Girls that don't masturbate (when no sex available) are almost up for an automatic elimination in my view as they are clearly not sufficiently sexually driven. Normally a GF that I choose will like Vibrartors for use when I am not there or may even give me a little masturbation show.
My ex-wife (Farang) was only hot for sex once a month.
Fortunately almost all Thai girls understand well that a guy needs regular sex although most Thai girls are not into sex sex during their period in my experience.
Fortunately some will give nice blow jobs anyway and a bit of the tit massage of the balls (my favourite type of massage - I'm not into real massage).
Its important to get the girl well trained from the start.
My GF has one annoying habit. When she wakes up, and I have brushed my teeth already with an urgent hard-on, she insists that she is unclean (no matter how clean she is), and insists on going to brush her teeth and shower before sex. Naturally I have to be meticulous in cleanliness also to match her.
Didn't you guys know cleanliness is next to godliness? :)
Be glad that they are not like the other way around like one of my ex-GF (WASP) who took a shower once every few days, till I set her straight.
Freeman 418
08-07-07, 00:05
My GF has one annoying habit. When she wakes up, and I have brushed my teeth already with an urgent hard-on, she insists that she is unclean (no matter how clean she is), and insists on going to brush her teeth and shower before sex. Naturally I have to be meticulous in cleanliness also to match her.
This is true.. my Thai GF at the moment (back here) is paranoid about her body smell.. her hair, her clothes, her snatch.. and if she looses confidence that's the end of it lol.
It's not a habit to be too worried about.. but still, as you mentioned above, at the wrong moment it can be irritating!
M P Lurker
08-07-07, 11:33
Didn't you guys know cleanliness is next to godliness? :)
Be glad that they are not like the other way around like one of my ex-GF (WASP) who took a shower once every few days, till I set her straight.
I didn't go down on my ex-wife (WASP) since the smell and taste was bad (both holes). They just don't seem to understand how to wash properly and she was not receptive to criticism of any type.
I am probably making up for it now lots of Thai girl licking.
Booboo Monger
08-08-07, 13:48
this is my first report so i hope it's in a reasonable style and helpful to some people. i don't have much mongering experience so this is probably going to benefit people who are considering their first trip to thailand and only staying in bkk.
my research before leaving was basically some rapid fire scanning of the thailand threads – i probably should have done a little more but the best of what i found, not surprisingly, in the reports of distinction, and the cream of the crop there for me was phucers five day guide. this is on the last page and full of goodies. also, giottos forums are another treasure trove. there you can find information about livingstones lodge – the place where i stayed and will now tell you about.
ll is definitely the place to land if you are new to bkk, are on anything from average to high budget, want a hotel that is 100% monger friendly but without a trace of seediness, friendly and helpful staff and in a good position to hit the night spots. i took the basic room package at 1800bt/night – very nice by my standards with a comfy but firm king size bed (mattress feels like a futon), good air con, cable tv, room safe, very sexy bedside lighting (just perfect for a rumble imho) and stylish stonework bathrooms. the rooms aren’t full of furniture clutter they have what you need and leave a comfortable space around the workbench (maybe a slight downer for those who like to make use of every available playing surface? ).
beyond the rooms the hotel access is easy. no security guards or frowning staff. the hotel restaurant is the most frequented facility for me. dined there twice now before heading out and had two fantastic meals – one thai and a steak with the works (both about aus$15).comfy eating by the poolside gazing over the pool at the thatched that roofs that surround it and the bkk skyline beyond. the big bonus here is the all day breakfast – if you are anything like the lord of sloth i am you are going to love the 3pm wakeup (on a good day! ), shower and head downstairs for a tummy full of goodness – no hassles, just fill out the form with that you want (all the usual suspects plus some thai items) and the food materializes on your table in a short time. while i was having my breakfast my room was being restored. there is also the sports bar that is definitely worth a look. i have only been there once so far – pools tables, sports tv, nice air con, cool drinks and a selection of ladies. i am traveling alone and most other people were in groups – not being a huge socialite i was happy to sip a drink and watch the proceedings. a nice lady kept me company but wasn’t my type although some of the others were, but she was nice and obviously wanted me to take her so instead of the snub i bought her a few lady drinks and made my departure (shucckks i am too nice for my own good i know but anyways, there was soi cowboy to explore! more on that later).
i arrived at bkk airport around midnight’ish on a friday (one hour in immigration – christ all friggin mighty i am sweating there watching the night escape). found the queues for the metered taxi and it cost 400bt to get to ll and 45min time. 1:20pm arrival at ll with a very warm from guido (the 2ic i believe). my plan is to try an escort agency for the first night but there definition of 24 hour service is a little different to mine. it’s voice mail all the way and now i am worried! i am tired but force march myself onto the main street (sukhumvit rd) which is the mongers’ highway. i have read about soi cowboy and nana, and have seen some maps but am not sure to turn left or right. tragically, my 50/50 is a dud and i turn left heading away from the action and waste another 20 min before realizing i am going nowhere. i decide to leg it back to ll and see if guido is still around. luckily i pass him on the street and he points me towards giotto’s office. giotto is kind enough to take a ten minute crisis (for me! ) meeting on this unhappy state of affairs – now that is service! nana parking lot or rawhide in soi cowboy is my only chance. i decide on rawhide first since it is in soi cowboy and only ten minutes walk away (nana is more like 5 minutes by taxi). i was surprised to find a place called the dollhouse open still (i had read about this from phucer’s guide) and charged in. still some nice ladies and now i think i am home and hosed. i pick a nice dancing girl but foolishly try to negotiate a st to 1500bt from 2000bt. the girl knocks me back and literally a 2 minutes later the lights go on and the girls vaporize. with disaster imminent i head onto the street knowing there must be ladies in the vicinity that might accept a job. up and down soi cowboy i go but it’s not clear who the working girls are and numbers are thinning out. as i come back past the dollhouse the mamasan grabs me realizing i am on the chase and says she has a girl who will go lt. not having sighted the girl in question this sounds ominous but i am pleasantly surprised here. the girl is one of the floor girls – a little older (26), a little drunk but more than met my expectations. in fact i had two more trysts with her over my stay, she is such a fun girl.
anyways, the next night i found myself at the baccara bar – again at soi cowboy. this place has two levels and the top floor has a glass dancing floor directly above the downstairs one making for great views on both levels. seemed like very nice girls here too but sadly one of the waitresses pissed me off really badly. basically i was fairly well lubricated before entering and two minutes after paying for my first drink she told me i gave her the wrong money. i was doing the pissed man’s nightclub cash counting, eyeballing every note, (they have thai numbers as well as english which screwed me up a lot) which she picked up on although in all fairness i could have made a mistake being new to the money and how similar the denominations look so benefit of the doubt here. next drink i give a 500bt note for a 140bt drink wanting to keep things simple and get my change. it’s 100bt short and as she is walking away i tell her. low and behold the missing 100bt is magically on the change tray! it’s small money to me i know but i get the shits having to keep my guard up. i am not tight fisted but hate being scammed so i am outta there in a big way – too many venues to buy that shite.
i drop back into the dollhouse as i do for almost every night of my stay. i really enjoyed that place and encourage you guys to give it a go to see if it is to your taste as it was to mine. the masasan is friendly but not pushy. my first night lady comes over to chat to me. i take a different girl this time. a dancer, quite young (20) and a nice girl. she is a nice girl too and although not shy at all just didn’t have that chemistry for me somehow. she said she would take me to the beach because she goes most days and i hope to do this since it will break up my regular routine nicely. next night is the dollhouse again. they have an fa cup match on and a whole bunch of the staff were betting on it which added to atmosphere nicely. my first night girl kept me company which i enjoyed and ended up taking for the night again. her downside is that she is a floor girl with a ‘wrap the guys around her finger’ personality so there are always many guys buying her tequila and that night she too hammered to be much good in bed. next night, i get another girl from the dollhouse who looks younger than the 24 she is to me. i don’t really go in for that but the way she moved her booty on the floor was drool on my chin sexy: softly, provocatively but not ridiculously dramatic in any way – almost the perfect dancer imo. took her for st and was friggin blown away! i would say the best sex of my life and will definitely try to revisit her before i leave. between sessions i found her to be a really tremendous young lady too which is the full package for me.
dollhouse prices: barfine-600/700(floorgirl), st 2000bt, lt 3000bt. might be a little high i am not sure but the product is quality so i was happy.
another tip form phucer’s guide was the [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) blow job bar. easy enough to find. in a short alley off soi 8. the girls are out front and i wasn’t impressed when i got inside and couldn’t see anymore. low grade imo most of them but i thought i saw one i liked. i sat down and had a beer in the cool ac but discovered you had to go back outside to make a selection. there was one girl i thought i liked the look of and fortunately she came past a few minutes later on her way back form the bathroom. latched onto here and got the service in a somewhat seedy private booth. oh my friggin god, she hoovered it out of me before i could finish the beer! gave her a nice tip and left thinking that was an interesting experience but doubtful i would return. cost-700bt. i had definitely planned on trying an escort agency but never did. i found the ladies at soi cowboy tremendous and i am 90% sure i recognized one of the escort girls i had my eye on in baccara where she would cost approximately 40% of the escort agency price.
my trip has been six days. i probably spent around 7500bt (aus$300) a day and felt like i did things in style. i tend to spend like a drunken sailor and there is definitely scope for tightening this up but i am here for a good time not a long time!
i will just finish by saying thank you to people to the people kind enough to give me some advice before i came. rider7 set me straight in very few words – "can't waste time. go nana. its all right there. trust me. " i substituted soi cowboy for nana because it is much closer to ll and it had all the lovelies i needed. it really is all on tap so the only problem is choosing. also, xerman and archie leach kindly pointed me towards ll and i will also recommend you staying here. more like a resort than hotel, close to the action and designed with the monger in mind – what more could you want.
that’s all for now. i have one night left and will probably try long gun and shark bar tonight and add that later and as an appendix to this. treat the ladies well and enjoy life!
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
M P Lurker
08-09-07, 11:15
This is my first report so I hope it's in a reasonable style and helpful to some people. I don't have much mongering experience so this is probably going to benefit people who are considering their first trip to Thailand and only staying in BKK.
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Don't worry mate you write just fine. Many of us are semi-literate ( I can't spell and make lots of mistakes) and write near-English.
You were right to go Soi Cowboy. IMHO, NANA Plaza is soooo boooring these days. The girls have too many clothes on.
Exception is Angel Witch which has good shows.
Cascade is worth a very quick visit just to see what all the ladyboys look like so you won't make a bad mistake.
Cowboy desn't have LB bars but just the odd LB in a couple of bars.
Long Gun and Suzi Wong have the best shows and plenty of nudity, Shark has some pretty girls but a bit sedate. Long Gun has a few stunners and stays open real late due to being quite busy (arriving 1:30AM is O.K.). There are even some really sordid blow job bars. The variety is good.
I like soapy Massage Places these as they are more discreet. Can't afford to get caught and look silly weraing dark glasses and hat at midnight on Cowboy.
Negotiate real hard when plenty of time and not much competition but be prepared to relax your bargaining vigour when time is short and you don't want to miss out.
Member #3428
08-09-07, 11:29
Cowboy desn't have LB bars but just the odd LB in a couple of bars.
Not that I found out the hard way and just FYI, Dundee has one permanent LB who hangs at the bar and lives there with the other girls and another that hangs around most of the time but doesn't live there.
M P Lurker
08-09-07, 11:55
Not that I found out the hard way and just FYI, Dundee has one permanent LB who hangs at the bar and lives there with the other girls and another that hangs around most of the time but doesn't live there.
OK, I have never been inside Dundee.
The mamasan (so no danger) at Suzi Wong is a LB and has good taste/immagination when it comes to arranging very erotic shows.
I am aware of 2-3 LBs at Deja Vu also. Some poor unsuspecting punters might ..... I saw a guy with one once at Deja Vu and wondered whether to warn him (as he looked a little Naive).
Member #3428
08-09-07, 12:03
OK, I have never been inside Dundee.... Some poor unsuspecting punters might ..... I saw a guy with one once at Deja Vu and wondered whether to warn him (as he looked a little Naive).
Yup, that's why I posted that, just in case some one heads that way to make sure you check the package.
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LL is definitely the place to land if you are new to BKK, are on anything from average to high budget, want a hotel that is 100% monger friendly but without a trace of seediness, friendly and helpful staff and in a good position to hit the night spots. I took the basic room package at 1800Bt/night – very nice by my standards with a comfy but firm king size bed (mattress feels like a futon), good air con, cable tv, room safe, very sexy bedside lighting (just perfect for a rumble imho) and stylish stonework bathrooms. The rooms aren’t full of furniture clutter they have what you need and leave a comfortable space around the workbench (maybe a slight downer for those who like to make use of every available playing surface? ).
Beyond the rooms the hotel access is easy. No security guards or frowning staff.
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Booboo Monger,
Many thanks for your comprehensive report. A good read, I will add it the the reports of distinction of this thread.
Now, a lot of laudatio about Livingstone's - but no security? No security guards? Where have they been in the time when you were here :) ?
Of course we have security guards, but they do not hazzle our guests when they come back with girls. Our guests decide whether they want to register the girls or not. It can sometimes make sense to have a copy of the ID card of a girl.
Thanks for staying with us, and - hope to see you back at Livingstone's soon.
Giotto
Sometimes it's really a nightmare to run this Giotto figure here in the ISG.
Yesterday, I was sitting for dinner with wife and an Indian friend. A new hotel customer arrives, and obviously had asked the front desk staff to talk to the boss. They walked him to my dinner table.
He asked: "Good evening, you are Giotto?"
So far so good, I answered with a short "Yes, welcome to Livingstone's" - in the middle of my dinner.
He continued: "I have read your report about the massage parlours in the Sukhumvit area, great report, I have some questions, which place has the best girls in the moment..." - and I immediately interupted with a comment about mothers day and the raining season ...
I realized the freezing movements of my wife next to me, I felt the sharp looks - I did not even turn my head, I rose from my seat and moved the customer away towards the hotel bar and had a quick chat with him.
Do I really need to mention that I do have a private life, too? And English is a commonly spoken language here in Thailand!
Giotto
NicFrenchy
08-13-07, 09:01
He asked: "Good evening, you are Giotto?"
So far so good, I answered with a short "Yes, welcome to Livingstone's" - in the middle of my dinner.
He continued: "I have read your report about the massage parlours in the Sukhumvit area, great report, I have some questions, which place has the best girls in the moment..." - and I immediately interupted with a comment about mothers day and the raining season ...Good Jesus, Are people really that Stupid? What kind of Moron would do that?
NicFrenchy
08-13-07, 09:04
Of course we have security guards, but they do not hazzle our guests when they come back with girls. Our guests decide whether they want to register the girls or not. It can sometimes make sense to have a copy of the ID card of a girl.As a personal advice, I would strongly suggest that you register the girls Everytime. You never know what can happend and always remember: the girl (however nice and Sweet) is a total stranger to you.
There are no reasons to be affraid of anything, but it is always best to be safe.
Somehow the word needs to get out that ISG and what is discussed here, does not get repeated in the presence of anyone other than another ISG member and only then when they are willing to discuss it. Overheard conversations by the wrong party can lead to some rather uncomfortable situations.
I know that Giotto has brought this subject up numerous times, but it seems the message just doesn't sink in or perhaps members are not RTFF. Basic etiquette would seem to indicate that you don't bring up those kinds of subjects with someone when they are with other people.
.............He asked: "Good evening, you are Giotto?"
So far so good, I answered with a short "Yes, welcome to Livingstone's" - in the middle of my dinner.................................
Giotto
Dr. G, I am surprised that you acknowledged the fact while sitting next to your wife. No wonder you have a problem.
A simple "No, he is not here at the moment, but if you have a seat in the Sports Bar, I will locate him for you." should have been the answer.
Regards
Duniawala
Your TQM Director
PS if the Indian friend the same one I met with you and mamasan, let him know my comments to you about him.
Dr. G, I am surprised that you acknowledged the fact while sitting next to your wife. No wonder you have a problem.
...
Sir,
LOL, no, not possible, you forgot that I introduced the ladies to Giotto and the forum a few months ago, to deal with this problem.
But - of course I did not talk about a specific Massage Parlour report :) .
Giotto
So G, you have wetted our appetite.
Tell us what happened when you sat back down, and smiled innocently at Mrs G.
So G, you have wetted our appetite.
Tell us what happened when you sat back down, and smiled innocently at Mrs G.Mr. Vice President,
First - nothing happened, only icy silence. Then - over night - I joined your destiny, Mr. One Ball.
Giotto
Mature Man
08-14-07, 06:24
In cricket terms , I would have thought your balls would have been stumped by Mrs G. Didnt know it's so easy to loose one of the two.
Mr. Vice President,
First - nothing happened, only icy silence. Then - over night - I joined your destiny, Mr. One Ball.
Giotto
In cricket terms , I would have thought your balls would have been stumped by Mrs G. Didnt know it's so easy to loose one of the two.Mature Man,
This is Thailand :) ... you obviously have no idea about missing balls or dicks sliced in pieces and given to the ducks...
Giotto
Mature Man,
This is Thailand :) ... you obviously have no idea about missing balls or dicks sliced in pieces and given to the ducks...
Giotto
And how is the frenulum?:)
M P Lurker
08-15-07, 11:28
Mature Man,
This is Thailand :) ... you obviously have no idea about missing balls or dicks sliced in pieces and given to the ducks...
Giotto
I have been threatened with the ducks before too, by an overly jealous Thai woman. I wasn't even in Mongering mode at that time.
She was far too much to cope with in the end.
How are you coping with the pressures, Mr G?
Can anyone explain this piece of Thai folklore that your most prized possession be cut into small pieces and fed to the "ducks" of all things?
Now I tought pigs/dogs would have been more appropriate but where do "ducks" come into the picture?
Member #3428
08-15-07, 11:41
Now I tought pigs/dogs would have been more appropriate but where do "ducks" come into the picture?
The only thing this conversation has made me decide is to make sure to avoid eating any duck in two weeks on my next trip to BKK.
Travellar22
08-15-07, 11:46
I can very well imagine what would have actually happened and what tactics you might have used to convince Mrs G that it was some sort of confusion and it was not actually you who had written that report but infact you were the one who posted that report to report of distinction loll.
And how is the frenulum?:)Sir,
It still "exists". It is not same before, and Akane will never see me again :) !
Giotto
...
How are you coping with the pressures, Mr G?
...
Now I tought pigs/dogs would have been more appropriate but where do "ducks" come into the picture?Mick Licker,
Pressure(s) ? I have migrane, am very tired...and I have mens. Time to recover :) .
The ducks - don't ask me why the sliced dicks are given to the ducks. I asked around - nobody could answer the question. Of course not - this is Thailand.
Giotto
I can very well imagine what would have actually happened and what tactics you might have used to convince Mrs G that it was some sort of confusion and it was not actually you who had written that report but infact you were the one who posted that report to report of distinction loll.Travellar22,
BESTARD! I see you sitting there in front of your computer, laughing your ass off :) !
No, I did not explain anything. There was no question. Just my dick was cut --> ducks :) .
Giotto
Travellar22
08-16-07, 09:10
I went there in end of April and came back in first week of may and now have started again missing your lodge but still not able to think what excuse should I make in family to visit Thailand again.
Any suggestion Giotto?
I went there in end of April and came back in first week of may and now have started again missing your lodge but still not able to think what excuse should I make in family to visit Thailand again.
Any suggestion Giotto?Travellar22,
A seminar? Something you urgently have to study for your job (e.g. female anatomy) :) ?
Giotto
NicFrenchy
08-17-07, 06:00
Something you urgently have to study for your job (e.g. female anatomy) :) ? Wow, you must have a very interesting job, care to shed some light on it? LOL
Wow, you must have a very interesting job, care to shed some light on it? LOLNicFrenchy,
Yes.
Giotto
just a quick report about ll before i check out:
overall, a very good stay. the room was clean, bed very comfortable, bathroom also nice with good shower, easy to operate safe, decent airconditioner, cable tv. wifi was a big thing for me and even though the wireless signal did not reach my room, one can just connect their laptop via lan cable which is what i ended up doing. good fast speed internet.
i didn't try out any of the food so can't comment on that. other than that, friendly and helpful staff. i'm trying to think of a negative here, i guess it would be that the fridge made noises so i had to unplug it.
the location of ll is excellent, just about 5 mins walk from bts phrom phong station, and 5 mins walk to many massage parlors...some are even 1 min walk :d not to mention that numerous bars, and 7/11 just around the corner of the street. watching the akane girls get their lunch in their outfits from the numerous food stalls in the streets in the afternoons was an extra bonus lol.
in closing, ll is highly recommended. giotto, it was nice meeting you finally. keep up the good work, and will look forward to your posts!
cheers.
blood red
Just a quick report about LL before I check out:
...
Blood Red,
Thanks. I had not much time when you were here, I hope it will be better next time.
Have a safe trip home - and come back soon.
Giotto
I finally received confirmation today of a work-trip to BKK in November for one week (during which I will work approximately one hour, and use the rest of the week for playing scrabble).
Giotto - Please arrange the following for my arrival in Room 214:
1. Put Island Girl on the treadmill one hour, five days a week. She can lose 20 pounds by then.
2. Show Jungle Girl where to buy fast food, so she doesn't disappear for an hour to the food markets at midnight like last time.
3. Prepare strong coffee for Bengali Girl so she doesn't fall asleep in the jacuzzi again.
4. Make sure Fon has either forgiven me for my indiscretions, or that she is on vacation when I arrive.
Thank you,
Piper
(Note to newer readers: None of the abovementioned girls (except Fon) work in Giotto's lodge, but were in nearby upper-class establishments looking lonely, so I took them home to comfort them).
M P Lurker
08-21-07, 13:26
I hope to make it on Sat 27th Oct if its a pool party night.
I will even try to get a couple of drinks into Miss J so that she will be keen to get into into the pool with me later on.
Hope to meet a few fellow ISGers as well.
Mrs G might need a few B52's as well..
i finally received confirmation today of a work-trip to bkk in november for one week (during which i will work approximately one hour, and use the rest of the week for playing scrabble).
giotto - please arrange the following for my arrival in room 214:
1. put island girl on the treadmill one hour, five days a week. she can lose 20 pounds by then.
2. show jungle girl where to buy fast food, so she doesn't disappear for an hour to the food markets at midnight like last time.
3. prepare strong coffee for bengali girl so she doesn't fall asleep in the bath again.
4. make sure fon has either forgiven me for my indiscretions, or that she is on vacation when i arrive.
thank you,
piper
(note to newer readers: none of the abovementioned girls (except fon) work in giotto's lodge, but were in nearby upper-class establishments looking lonely, so i took them home to comfort them).pipeman,
yikes - we are completely booked in november, but i will book a room for you in peep inn!!!
(joking, still rooms available).
ok, i will then start right now to visit those "upper-class" establishments (soi cowboy) to find all those ladies and prepare them accordingly.
no, it doesn't make any sense. even if i put island girl every day for 24 hours on the treadmill she will still be 20 kg too heavy when you arrive. if i show jungle girl where to buy fast food she will not return anyway. if she returns then she will be - 20 kg too heavy. bengali girl - no chance to wake her up, even not with coffee. she is tired and eats all day - and is 20 kg too heavy.
and fon does not like you any more, because you are a butterfly. she is - not a butterfly (!), and also not 20 kg too heavy :) .
giotto
Traveler1234
08-21-07, 15:05
May I also suggest the 'towel rack' be properly 'installed' :D
I hope to make it on Sat 27th Oct if its a pool party night.
I will even try to get a couple of drinks into Miss J so that she will be keen to get into into the pool with me later on.
Hope to meet a few fellow ISGers as well.
Mrs G might need a few B52's as well..
Mick there is a task for you:
Miss J may need some swimming lessons according to my memory (Reason: Isaan is far away from seashore). Please assist. Was our plan when we had some time together (and she was obviously open for it in the afternoon), however due to late wakeup and rain in the wrong moment I couldn't give her the lesson. Tooooooo baaaaaaaaaaad!
If she is willing in front of the crowd -depends on the no of drinks probably - and your charme of course.
Giotto, a PN with a photo attached showing my lovely Miss J in the pool would be a nice present. Dont let her blub-blub-blub-blub. Would need her still. But I rely on Gentlemen Mick.
regards
Brain666
A Bestard returned to the Lodge: EU Contractor. The contractor.
Last time he promised to post a report, but he never did. So - he was quite suprised when he arrived today, and I directly ripped his balls off.
He said "Hello" then... but that will not help him any more.
We had some fun tonight. And - of course I lost in pool... :) , such a Bestard.
Giotto
Pipeman,
Bad news: You posted 2696 reports on this forum up to now.
You posted more reports that TT (now).
You are No. ... 2 (sorry). There is another target for you: Nibu Raphael (56xx). A long way to go. So, that was just the beginning.
I am proud of you, Nibu Pipeman! I hope it keeps you young! :)
Giotto
I hope to make it on Sat 27th Oct if its a pool party night. ...Mick Licker,
OK, I expect you then here, there is a Swimming Pool Party on Sat. 27th of October :) .
See you then!
Giotto
Pipeman,
Bad news: You posted 2696 reports on this forum up to now.
Kinda sad isn't it? I really should get out of the house one day. :D
NicFrenchy
08-22-07, 10:58
Miss J may need some swimming lessons Sorry to intrude in this discussion but, if miss J is the same lady I saw last Saturday in the Sports Bar (in a Traditional Red outfit) then I volunteer to give her some swimming lessons! What an adorable face she has.
Giotto, Thank you again for your time last saturday! Great Bar and Great Girls.
Nic
ArchieLeach
08-23-07, 01:27
Mick,
I'm going to miss you by a week or so, too bad. :( I'm hoping to meet some fellow ISGers as well.
...
Giotto, Thank you again for your time last saturday! Great Bar and Great Girls.
...
NicFrenchy,
Thanks for visiting Livingstone's. It was quite fun...
I cannot remember whether that was Miss J ... possible. But there are so many girls in the bar now, I don't even know all their names any more.
May be you can make it for the Swimming Pool Party this Saturday? Miss J will be there, and appreciates your "swimming" lessons :) .
Giotto
OUCH!
Today I signed a business E-Mail (which had really NOTHING to do with the ISG or Livingstone's) with "Giotto".
I need help. Something is wrong in my brain.
Giotto
OUCH!
Today I signed a business E-Mail (which had really NOTHING to do with the ISG or Livingstone's) with "Giotto".
I need help. Something is wrong in my brain.
GiottoThe best indicator that you have been at a computer for too long is when you search the start button of your washing machine to switch it off.
Yours is another good one. Hopefully your business partner doesn't know how to handle google.
OUCH!
Today I signed a business E-Mail (which had really NOTHING to do with the ISG or Livingstone's) with "Giotto".
I need help. Something is wrong in my brain.
Giotto
I can give you permission to use my synonym's structural method
Lets say until you clear up
change Giotto to :confused: Brain000 :confused:
Regards
Brain666
NicFrenchy,
Thanks for visiting Livingstone's. It was quite fun...
I cannot remember whether that was Miss J ... possible. But there are so many girls in the bar now, I don't even know all their names any more.
May be you can make it for the Swimming Pool Party this Saturday? Miss J will be there, and appreciates your "swimming" lessons :) .
Giotto
For clarification:
Miss J needs swimming lessons not "swimming" lessons.
Regards
Brain666
M P Lurker
08-23-07, 14:18
Mick,
I'm going to miss you by a week or so, too bad. :( I'm hoping to meet some fellow ISGers as well.
You didn't say if you would be a week late or early.
I might get to visit Sports bar again a week later or so (maybe maybe).
Its hard to predict when there is a spare moment, but I am likely to make time sometime for a nice dinner and a few drinks and losing some money at the pool table. I prefer to play the girls for money to make it more interesting - but handicapped so in the end I'm going to lose anyway.
M P Lurker
08-23-07, 14:36
NicFrenchy,
Thanks for visiting Livingstone's. It was quite fun...
I cannot remember whether that was Miss J ... possible. But there are so many girls in the bar now, I don't even know all their names any more.
May be you can make it for the Swimming Pool Party this Saturday? Miss J will be there, and appreciates your "swimming" lessons :) .
Giotto
Well even if your brain is getting befuddled, you really should know if it was the same Miss J that Brainy and Micky (myself) are talking about, or are you saying you just aren't sure which girl Frenchy was going for?
Perhaps he was flirting with far too many, based on his past history.
Its OK if you can't remember outfit colours (normal for guys).
Anyway it sounds like Miss J is going to find it tough to avoid pool parties now that so many are queueing up to give the "swimming" lessons.
I know she loathes to be forced into the pool.
But a few B52s or Gin Tonics should do the trick. Its amazing how the shyness can evaporate.
We better keep her down the shallow end so she doesn't panic.
For clarification:
Miss J needs swimming lessons not "swimming" lessons.
...
Brain666,
Hhmmm...what might that mean :) ?
Giotto
Well even if your brain is getting befuddled, you really should know if it was the same Miss J that Brainy and Micky (myself) are talking about, or are you saying you just aren't sure which girl Frenchy was going for?
Perhaps he was flirting with far too many, based on his past history.
Its OK if you can't remember outfit colours (normal for guys).
...Mick Licker,
Brain befuddled - wait, you will come back to Livingstone's one day, and then we will talk about that :) !
Of course I know Ms. J, but I don't know whether that girl in red NicFrenchy was talking about was Ms. J. And you are perfectly correct, that he was flirting with all girls - in details it was different, nearly all girls wanted to barfine him, because is he completely different from you - he is a young and handsome man :):):)!
Giotto
NicFrenchy
08-24-07, 08:16
Of course I know Ms. J, but I don't know whether that girl in red NicFrenchy was talking about was Ms. J. It was her indeed. Miss J. What a beauty she is.
And you are perfectly correct, that he was flirting with all girlsWhat can I say, there were so many beautiful ladies that my Radar was buzzing off the hook.
in details it was different, nearly all girls wanted to barfine him, because is he completely different from you - he is a young and handsome man :):):)!
Giottook, now you really made me blush.
Nic
M P Lurker
08-24-07, 09:26
Mick Licker,
Brain befuddled - wait, you will come back to Livingstone's one day, and then we will talk about that :) !
Of course I know Ms. J, but I don't know whether that girl in red NicFrenchy was talking about was Ms. J. And you are perfectly correct, that he was flirting with all girls - in details it was different, nearly all girls wanted to barfine him, because is he completely different from you - he is a young and handsome man :):):)!
Giotto
Now I get it and I am jealous. When I was young I was even less handsome.
I am improving with age (slightly). Right now I'm trying to get a few kilos off to look just a little more athletic and hopefully look under my true age. I also get bored with girls asking "The baby due in how many months?"
There is a new Thai song playing in the bars written especially for me according to some girls about a "Panda Bear" (I also have dark rings under the eyes especially when short of sleep).
Mostly I have to get by with just being nice to the girls.
But so many girls protest that they don't like young men (they could be just sweet talking I guess).
Now I'm puzzled why Nic needs to bother with all his Massage venues when it sounds like he could get lots of freebies. Perhaps he is afraid to collect too many wives which would work out even more expensive than mongering, not to mention the headaches (smart fellow no?) :-):-):-)
Kind of slow here, isn't it. Your frenulum OK, Dr. G? Just checkin......
Couldn't find any report about the success of the swimming pool party with extended Staff party:
I want to know of course the most important for me:
Was Miss J finally in the pool?
How much clothes left?
Who managed to do so?
Who gave assistance in swimming?
Did she survive?
Where is my PM with the pictures of Miss J in the Pool attached?
Questions over questions, who will answer?
regards
Jealous Brain666
PS: Miss my lovely Miss J
Bangkok, Stopover at Livingstones Lodge
Had a long stop over in Bangkok, so decided to follow the recommendations of this forum. My taxi took me quickly to LL (45 mins, 300baht), where I asked for the rate of the room for 7 hours until 10pm. Guess what, got 200 baht discount. Too expensive from my understanding, but the mistake was already done. I had a long flight, so first of all took a shower. Room is nice, so is the bathroom. Just it takes too long to get it cooled down. The AC is off, as soon as you leave the room. The rest of the building is also not cooled, so it is a hard fight for the AC to cool down the room.
WLAN Internet did not work for me with the provided password, neither on my notebook, nor on my PDA.
Went down, some beer and food. Crispy duck in red curry souce not as good as I am used to eat it, as the duck was cooked in the curry. But still OK.
Found a 7/10 in the sports bar, asked for the rate. 1500 bar fine plus 3000 for the girl for 4 hours. Sorry? Did I miss something?? Ok, I have not much time, so I offer 1000 fine plus 2000 for the girl (far too much from my undertstanding). She says that needs to be discussed with mamasan and she has to wash her lower parts now. Off she goes, 30 minutes later not back and no mamasan. Hey, what am I doing here? Start feeling pissed, feel pissed and leave. Walk around to relax, return, sleep a bit alone, check out and leave.
Summary: I found LL overpriced and do not think that there is special value that judges the price. But mongering is an individual individual thing, so please find out yourself.
Bangkok, Stopover at Livingstones Lodge
Had a long stop over in Bangkok, so decided to follow the recommendations of this forum. My taxi took me quickly to LL (45 mins, 300baht), where I asked for the rate of the room for 7 hours until 10pm. Guess what, got 200 baht discount. Too expensive from my understanding, but the mistake was already done. I had a long flight, so first of all took a shower. Room is nice, so is the bathroom. Just it takes too long to get it cooled down. The AC is off, as soon as you leave the room. The rest of the building is also not cooled, so it is a hard fight for the AC to cool down the room.
WLAN Internet did not work for me with the provided password, neither on my notebook, nor on my PDA.
Went down, some beer and food. Crispy duck in red curry souce not as good as I am used to eat it, as the duck was cooked in the curry. But still OK.
Found a 7/10 in the sports bar, asked for the rate. 1500 bar fine plus 3000 for the girl for 4 hours. Sorry? Did I miss something?? Ok, I have not much time, so I offer 1000 fine plus 2000 for the girl (far too much from my undertstanding). She says that needs to be discussed with mamasan and she has to wash her lower parts now. Off she goes, 30 minutes later not back and no mamasan. Hey, what am I doing here? Start feeling pissed, feel pissed and leave. Walk around to relax, return, sleep a bit alone, check out and leave.
Summary: I found LL overpriced and do not think that there is special value that judges the price. But mongering is an individual individual thing, so please find out yourself.
Guess Livingstones is not the right setup for that short time stay.
I would have proposed (as others recommended for similar stop overs before), you go to Eden, book their the usual 2 girls setup for 90 min and 3600 Baht, then move to Beergarden, eat there, and if it is time and you are lucky find a beergarden female visitor and go for another shortime. Or if you don't find a nice girl there (as it is not ensured) just take an oil massage with extras, or e.g. soapie at Annie's.
After that back to the airport.
regards
Brain666
Bangkok, Stopover at Livingstones Lodge
Had a long stop over in Bangkok, so decided to follow the recommendations of this forum. My taxi took me quickly to LL (45 mins, 300baht), where I asked for the rate of the room for 7 hours until 10pm. Guess what, got 200 baht discount. Too expensive from my understanding, but the mistake was already done. I had a long flight, so first of all took a shower. Room is nice, so is the bathroom. Just it takes too long to get it cooled down. The AC is off, as soon as you leave the room. The rest of the building is also not cooled, so it is a hard fight for the AC to cool down the room.
WLAN Internet did not work for me with the provided password, neither on my notebook, nor on my PDA.
Went down, some beer and food. Crispy duck in red curry souce not as good as I am used to eat it, as the duck was cooked in the curry. But still OK.
Found a 7/10 in the sports bar, asked for the rate. 1500 bar fine plus 3000 for the girl for 4 hours. Sorry? Did I miss something?? Ok, I have not much time, so I offer 1000 fine plus 2000 for the girl (far too much from my undertstanding). She says that needs to be discussed with mamasan and she has to wash her lower parts now. Off she goes, 30 minutes later not back and no mamasan. Hey, what am I doing here? Start feeling pissed, feel pissed and leave. Walk around to relax, return, sleep a bit alone, check out and leave.
Summary: I found LL overpriced and do not think that there is special value that judges the price. But mongering is an individual individual thing, so please find out yourself.
Ding Ding,
It is well known that Soi 33 is high priced. All the bars (the so-called Artist bars) have prices that are almost double that what you find in the lower sois. Whether the quality of the girls is that much better is up to an individual's opinion. I personally think not. The 1500 + 3000 rate quoted for you is normal (although I believe it should have been for the whole night). I negotiated down the girl to 2000 baht last year. If you had done your research, you'd have stayed near Soi 4.. where there is plenty and cheap action. It is too bad you ended up getting no action.
Cheers.
Eu Contractor
08-29-07, 09:31
Couldn't find any report about the success of the swimming pool party with extended Staff party:
Just a quick post about the pool / staff party.
The pool area / restaurant was very crowded. I guess the festivities began around 8 with a fashion show. All the girls were dressed in traditional clothing and looked quite beautiful.
After dinner and some drinks, it began to rain so the party moved into the sports bar. Around 10 the cabaret began inside the bar. Everyone made room and it was a good time for all. IMHO it was actually better inside the bar than outside in the pool area (compared to the last pool party I attended) except the girls were unable to swim.
As the dancers (males dressed as females) were doing their thing, one began to go around to all the hansum men and try to get a kiss. All the sudden this very manly girl grabbed Giotto and stuck his/her tounge down his throat. ;) I was totally shocked when I saw Giotto reciprocate (at least i think I saw ;) ).
The staff party began around 12. It was full on until maybe 5am. I was suckered into a game of pool with Mrs G #1 and bet a round of drinks for the bar. Being somewhat of a pool shark, I lost and had to ring the bell.
When my bill came I almost fell out of my chair and then realized I could sign for the charges.
Of course I put the wrong room number on the tab (Giotto's room) and all was good.
I guess some of the girls had been complaining about the bad breath of the falangs so Giotto, in a selfless act, put a few bowls of mints in some porcelain containers inside the mens room near the bar! Is that customer service or what?
More to come (under threat of bodily harm or blackmail from Giotto and Guido).
EU
M P Lurker
08-29-07, 11:33
I guess some of the girls had been complaining about the bad breath of the falangs so Giotto, in a selfless act, put a few bowls of mints in some porcelain containers inside the mens room near the bar! Is that customer service or what?
EU
If they were in the toilet, those "mints" were probably toilet de-odourisers. Did they taste good?
M P Lurker
08-29-07, 11:36
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As the dancers (males dressed as females) were doing their thing, one began to go around to all the hansum men and try to get a kiss. <cut>
EU
What dancers? Guests/staff/other? Where did they come from?
As the dancers (males dressed as females) were doing their thing, one began to go around to all the hansum men and try to get a kiss. All the sudden this very manly girl grabbed Giotto and stuck his/her tounge down his throat. ;) I was totally shocked when I saw Giotto reciprocate (at least i think I saw ;) ).
Giotto, is there something you're not telling us?! (I hope it wasn't the old fat katoey with the black-circles around her eyes and missing front teeth - she's all mine).
PS Giotto - you've been so quiet lately. Catoey got your tongue? ;)
Kind of slow here, isn't it. Your frenulum OK, Dr. G? Just checkin......Sir,
Thanks, it's ok. How is yours? I recommend Akane for "bloody" sessions... :)
Giotto
Bangkok, Stopover at Livingstones Lodge
... Guess what, got 200 baht discount.
... The rest of the building is also not cooled, so it is a hard fight for the AC to cool down the room.
...WLAN Internet did not work for me with the provided password, neither on my notebook, nor on my PDA.
... 1500 bar fine plus 3000 for the girl for 4 hours. Sorry? Did I miss something?? Ding Ding,
Thanks for your report. Sorry, that you did not like it here so much ... may be we are not the right place for a short stop-over. I think I wrote many times about the non-discount policy (surprised that you got a discount anyway, I will have to kick the arse of my manager again :) ) and the reason for that.
That the building is open and not air-conditioned - that is the resort style of Livingstone's, and many people like especially that ambience here as an oasis in the center of Bangkok. But of course there are others which like air conditioned hotel lobbies - sorry, we don't have that.
Our internet works, I am working with that every day. Don't know what went wrong in your case - but I am sure that our WiFi works. It is now password protected to avoid, that all our neighbours waste our bandwidth.
And the prices of the Sports Lounge - I also wrote about that many times in this thread, also policy - may be you simply picked the wrong place for your short stay.
Come to have a beer with me when you are in Bangkok next time.
Giotto
Guess Livingstones is not the right setup for that short time stay.
...
or e.g. soapie at Annie's.
...Brain666,
Oh my god - Annie's. Short time discussion with Aey :):):) ???
Giotto
Eu Contractor
08-29-07, 20:30
Giotto, is there something you're not telling us?! (I hope it wasn't the old fat katoey with the black-circles around her eyes and missing front teeth - she's all mine).
That was the one!!!
Eu Contractor
08-29-07, 20:31
If they were in the toilet, those "mints" were probably toilet de-odourisers. Did they taste good?
Not too bad.... a bit waxy and salty ;)
Eu Contractor
08-29-07, 20:38
What dancers? Guests/staff/other? Where did they come from?
I think the dancers, Giottos girlfriend(s), were hired for the party. The staff did get up and dance on stage including my personal favorite, the heavy set wait(tress) which stripped down to a bra and metallic skirt. (for you that have been here, you must know the one)
I could barely contain myself considering all the alcohol and kamagra I've been consuming.
My friend tried to barfine her however was disappointed when he found out the staff are not available ;)
I think the dancers, Giottos girlfriend(s), were hired for the party. The staff did get up and dance on stage including my personal favorite, the heavy set wait(tress) which stripped down to a bra and metallic skirt. (for you that have been here, you must know the one)
I could barely contain myself considering all the alcohol and kamagra I've been consuming.
My friend tried to barfine her however was disappointed when he found out the staff are not available ;)
Ouch EU, I know exactly who you are talking about.
(S)he is very nice, just your type, I hope you two are very happy together.
:)
just a quick post about the pool / staff party.
the pool area / restaurant was very crowded. i guess the festivities began around 8 with a fashion show. all the girls were dressed in traditional clothing and looked quite beautiful.
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as the dancers (males dressed as females) were doing their thing, one began to go around to all the hansum men and try to get a kiss. all the sudden this very manly girl grabbed giotto and stuck his/her tounge down his throat. ;) i was totally shocked when i saw giotto reciprocate (at least i think i saw ;) ).
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more to come (under threat of bodily harm or blackmail from giotto and guido).
...mr. eu contractor,
yes, it was a really good pool / staff party, despite some guests which were rather disturbing ... will post some pictures later, when i have time. especially that picture showing you dancing with this beautiful "lady" (looked to me more as an attempt to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) him on the dance floor).
you need for sure new glasses. there is a good shop in emporium - i can draw you a map, if you need. but it is also possible that your phantazy is tricking you - i can understand that, you were quite busy with all these "ladies" around you.
i wish you a good stay at peep inn :) .
giotto
Eu Contractor
08-30-07, 09:53
Mr. Eu Contractor,
Yes, it was a really good pool / staff party, despite some guests which were rather disturbing ... Giotto
Are you referring to the grand fatherly German fellow?
He was a bit scary looking :)
NicFrenchy
08-30-07, 10:10
Wow,
Looks like I missed quite a Party.
M P Lurker
08-30-07, 10:54
I think the dancers, Giottos girlfriend(s), were hired for the party. The staff did get up and dance on stage including my personal favorite, the heavy set wait(tress) which stripped down to a bra and metallic skirt. (for you that have been here, you must know the one)
I could barely contain myself considering all the alcohol and kamagra I've been consuming.
My friend tried to barfine her however was disappointed when he found out the staff are not available ;)
Yes I certainly know young Miss E---, a top waitr(ess) at the Lodge. A big favourite.
However as I go for skinny girls I don't think I would want to bar-fine her nor see her stripping off while drunk. :-)
Giotto, is there something you're not telling us?! (I hope it wasn't the old fat katoey with the black-circles around her eyes and missing front teeth - she's all mine).
PS Giotto - you've been so quiet lately. Catoey got your tongue? ;)Pipeman,
No, I am hiding, Eu Contractor is here ... Don't worry I keep that HeShe for you, it will wait in your Jacuzzi when you arrive he :) - ready for everything.
Giotto
SlimHoleDrill
08-30-07, 14:45
this is part 2. part 1 is on the bankok forum post #4278. it seemed more appropriate to post this here since quite a bit is about the lodge.
after eden.
it had started to drizzle and when i left eden (having tasted the apple) making bkk cool and pleasant so i decided to walk and visit a few old haunts to regain my strength for the evening activities. i walked down to the soi 7 beer garden and had a g&t with peanuts fried in garlic and chilies while i watched the star-wars creatures in the bar in various forms of mating rituals. some, not yet engaged, were quite acceptable (one stunner! ) but i was in absolutely no shape for that. then on to bush gardens for a quick game of pool. checked out thermae, but it was not open until 8:00 so i picked my way through the endless array of stalls hawking copy watches, copy sunglasses, copy dvd, copy everything and finally got to the station where i decided to detour through soi cowboy for old times sake. i probably have not been there in more than 20 years but i can say some of the names of the bars have changed, but it still looks the same.
an evening at livingston’s.
finally i arrive back "home" with dusk falling around me and have a little soak before going down for dinner. i feel refreshed and the wonderful night air by the pool is enticing. with a nice stir fry and a crisp white wine to go with it, i linger and read a bit, soaking up the ambiance. as i am reading, i notice that things are starting to pick up in the sports bar, so i decide to take it easy, make it a "night at home" and wander in to see what the evening will bring.
giotto was right in his post when he said he had a great mammasan. she really knows how to run the place! at some point in the evening, i was so impressed, i asked her how much to bar fine mammasan, but i am getting ahead of myself. after i looked around a bit and ordered a drink, she brought over a nice young lady i will call princess (not her name) and suggested maybe she would like a drink and i was more than happy to oblige. we played a little pool (badly i am afraid) and then gave way to a contingent from a flight crew who were much better at pool, but they got their ass kicked by one of the ladies anyway. i must comment on the terrific atmosphere – particularly the elegance of the ladies. the way they shot pool in those tight black dresses was something to behold.
at this point, i am tiring of the glass of "house white" so i ask for the wine list and find a very nice italian red from one of my favorite regions, so i go for a bottle of that. meanwhile, princess has attracted the attentions of one of the fly boys and in my mellow state, that is fine. so i share a little wine with some of the flight crew and in just a little while, much to my amazement they decide to leave – unaccompanied! so princess and i are now left to our own devices and pretty soon, we are getting pretty friendly. we arrange the bar fine situation and she goes off to change.
i notice that mr. and mrs. g are now in the bar at the next table so i feel i should pay my respects and complements. mrs. g is peeling some sort of pea which has been boiled in salt water and we discuss how this is something that is done in the south eastern part of the usa with peanuts. she offers me some and it is delicious. she is quite charming and i tell them that livingstone’s is an oasis in a sea of marvelous chaos. at least i think i said that. meanwhile, princes shows up and we say our goodbyes as we weave out the door, the nearly empty bottle in my hand. "you drunk? " she says. absolutely not, my dear, but in truth, neither of us could walk the line.
in the room, she is very sweet, but i notice a lot of phone activity – i also get a message – so i say "ok, phones off" and i take a look at hers. wtf, it says something like "i am beginning to worry that you like the late nights, the alcohol, the easy money and the sex. " and i wonder what do-gooder is about to screw up my last evening in bkk. never got the answer, but never mind, clearly she is not with that program. turns out she is with some of that program, the easy sex part. great bbbj and i have to peel her off so we can try some of that shaved pussy. very nice, a number of positions. she was a bit of a screamer (for a thai girl), but maybe that was the wine talking. she came twice before we finally ended it and got some well-deserved sleep.
up early again to catch a mid-day flight and after one more good-morning fuck, the only thing is to endure the drama of getting to the airport. the taxi does not go back to suk from the lodge but heads the other way on 33 and soon we are stuck in one of those classic bkk side street jams that sometimes don’t move for an hour. after much maneuvering, 25 minutes later, we are back at suk and soi 33 where we started. fortunately, i had left 3. 5 hours before the flight so i got there on time, but keep in mind that bkk traffic can still be fierce.
summary: 3 girls, 5 pops in 24 hours, kinky stuff at eden, a walk down memory lane, a refined evening at the lodge – don’t know any other place on the planet that offers so much so easily. giotto – keep up the good work!
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
SlimHoleDrill
08-31-07, 13:52
Summary: 3 girls, 5 pops in 24 hours, kinky stuff at Eden, a walk down memory lane, a refined evening at the Lodge – don’t know any other place on the planet that offers so much so easily. Giotto – keep up the good work!Ooops, one small correction. 4 girls (2 at Eden!), 5 pops etc. Wouldn't want to slight anyone.
I do not want to blame anybody. The forum shows, that most people love your place.
And I think that the discussions helps better to decide if this is the right place for a visitor or not. Totally, it will be better for you to have the guests who feel happy but those who are not and may damage the athmosphere.
Setup and pricing and policies do not match the daytime stopover situation. This is now not only clear to me.
Wlan just did not work for me, and i know what i am doing. Maybe i got the wrong password or something could be improved. For sure we could have solved this, but for a few hours it was not worth to try.
AC is a difficult issue. I sometimes hat and sometimes love them. Just important to know about what will be there.
Would like to meet you as I am back now, but my wife will prohibit that i suppose...
Good luck, Ding Ding.
Ding Ding,
Thanks for your report. Sorry, that you did not like it here so much ... may be we are not the right place for a short stop-over. I think I wrote many times about the non-discount policy (surprised that you got a discount anyway, I will have to kick the arse of my manager again :) ) and the reason for that.
That the building is open and not air-conditioned - that is the resort style of Livingstone's, and many people like especially that ambience here as an oasis in the center of Bangkok. But of course there are others which like air conditioned hotel lobbies - sorry, we don't have that.
Our internet works, I am working with that every day. Don't know what went wrong in your case - but I am sure that our WiFi works. It is now password protected to avoid, that all our neighbours waste our bandwidth.
And the prices of the Sports Lounge - I also wrote about that many times in this thread, also policy - may be you simply picked the wrong place for your short stay.
Come to have a beer with me when you are in Bangkok next time.
Giotto
I do not want to blame anybody. The forum shows, that most people love your place.
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Good luck, Ding Ding.Ding Ding,
Thank you, and fair enough. I understood your report as businesslike criticism, not everybody can like it here.
You are appreciated to visit Livingstone's any time, for a beer or whatever, and if I am there I will also be able to connect your laptop to our WiFi :) (most likely you got the wrong password).
Sorry, but i cannot help you to get your wifes approval :) ...
Giotto
SlimHoleDrill
09-01-07, 15:57
Ding Ding,
Thank you, and fair enough. I understood your report as businesslike criticism, not everybody can like it here.
You are appreciated to visit Livingstone's any time, for a beer or whatever, and if I am there I will also be able to connect your laptop to our WiFi :) (most likely you got the wrong password).
Sorry, but i cannot help you to get your wifes approval :)
GiottoWifi worked fine for me both on my laptop and on my PDA (which is sometimes not so easy to do). I too enjoy the tropical open plan. It reminds me of hotels on the beach, which is nice. There is AC in the important places like the room, sports bar, etc. So I gues it comes down to taste. Caveat emptor!
NicFrenchy
09-01-07, 17:01
Wlan just did not work for me, and i know what i am doing. Maybe i got the wrong password or something could be improved. For sure we could have solved this, but for a few hours it was not worth to try.Ding Ding,
Last time I checked, Calling Reception to ensure the Wlan works and Password is Correct takes less than 5 minutes.
Giotto,
I am eagerly waiting to see the Pics from the Pool Party :)
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giotto,
i am eagerly waiting to see the pics from the pool party :)nicfrenchy,
i am involved in too much shit in the moment. we have two issues with customers who decided to stay here for longer, but now they preferred to leave - and left us with the [unpaid] invoice... this are the first cases of this kind i have experienced here, and i have to make decisions how we deal with it now, and how we will prevent that happening again in the future...not that easy.
and then there was this bestard eu contractor, who took a lot of my time. luckily he was just leaving for the airport a few minutes ago (of course without saying good bye). before he needed to "pack", with the help of one of our girls ( i think i did not get it, "pack" or "unpack" ?).
this guy is unbelievable, btw. . we were out some days ago, and he fell in love with one of the service staff of the londoner. made a date for the next day, for lunch!!! yikes. came back as a catholic preacher - that girl was too young, only 19 !!! (i did not tell him that he was simply too old [87] ).
i am very sure that he will end up in prison one day, this bestard :). he used the word "discount" here at livingstone's, and that is against the law - for sure.
hey, eu, that was fun with you, i am waiting for you coming back in january. let's go ahead with the discussions about american politics and m16s, with or without ammunition :) ! you will be arrested [and raped] anyway! [that's what lek told me] :) !
giotto
ArchieLeach
09-02-07, 22:32
....American politics and M16s
Two of my favorite topics as well. Interesting, always misunderstood, and irritating, all in one. :)
I love my rifles (I've got two of them), but I can't believe how they've screwed up the M16's replacement process once again. Typical bureaucracy. :/
We have two issues with customers who decided to stay here for longer, but now they preferred to leave - and left us with the [unpaid] invoice... This are the first cases of this kind I have experienced here, and I have to make decisions how we deal with it now, and how we will prevent that happening again in the future...not that easy.
That really sucks man. I can't believe that some people(aside from being dishonest and basically thieves) don't realise/care that they are not only representing themselves but their country as well.
I think you should ask for advanced payment from the get go. If someone is planning on staying for say 1 week, they must pay the amount for that many days on the very first day, no exceptions. If they decide to leave before, they can get a refund, simple. Isn't that the simplest way to avoid the above mentioned problem or am I missing something?
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