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1kabooki
01-01-03, 17:25
I am interested in the strip clubs in Juarez that have been mentioned (phantom, amadeus, joker). Would you recommend them over the El Paso clubs? More affordable?

Also, would you recommend taking a taxi there?

Thanks in advance.

DreamingEagle
01-02-03, 04:39
Regarding the strip bars in Juarez, they are incredibly expensive. I will give you a for instance. On my first trip down here over two years ago I walked into the Don't Touch Club on Triunfo de la Republica. I ordered a beer, and it was $5. A girl offered me a table dance for $12, which I accepted. She asked for a shot of tequila. Then drank a second one. I ordered another beer. The waiter announced the tequilla shots were $11 each! So, that's $44 the first 15 minutes. I tipped the waiter two dollars and got out of dodge and haven't been back. That's only one club, but I don't experiment with the strip bars anymore. Of course, if you are rolling in dough the girls were very pretty...

Regarding Juarez in general, I think there would be enough action in el centro to warrant a 6 hour drive. It's not TJ but you can find some really stunners in the ***** bars. If you have enough time read the old posts on the massage parlours. They are the best deal in town.

Clomonger
01-04-03, 17:32
Found myself with a few free mid-day hours in El Paso. Found a decent looking lot on Santa Fe Street near the north bridge ($3 until 6PM) and walked across. My plan was to clear the congested area of downtown and then take a taxi to the Villa Manport Hotel on Hermanos Escobar at Panama, for MP exploration. However, I walk pretty quickly, and pretty soon I had covered enough ground that there were no taxis to be found. So I decided to walk to the Villa Manport...it took about 1/2 hour from the time I got across the bridge. Thanks to Crespo's posting of map references on 9-29-02, it was pretty easy to find my way around.

I walked further east, looking for Brenda's...one of Dreaming Eagle's recommendations. Found the corner of Hermanos Escobar and Avenida de Las Americas, but a thorough scan of the area revealed nothing about Brenda's or massage places. Further info would be appreciated.

Went back to the Villa Manport, nice looking hotel, which is on the south side of Hermanos Escobar. Found Sirena's on the north side of the street, marked by an inconspicuous sign on the door.

Went in, and the proprietress asked if I wanted a massage. I said yes, and asked what the charge would be. The response was $40 for 1 hour. (it was still a bit before noon). I asked whether this was "complete", and got a positive response. She summoned "Lily", who appeared to be the only masseuse working at that hour...trim, ~5'2", maybe early 20's, short reddish-black hair, nice rack. Paid the money and off we went through a maze of corridors to a very dark room. My Spanish is very limited, but I asked her if this would be "sin ropa" - no clothes, and she assured me that it was. (Actually, I intended to ask the proprietress this, but forgot). She was reluctant to kiss and not much touching....it didn't feel like this was going to be a GFE. I was left to undress while Lily went out to fire up some music and changed into a brief robe.


Massage was more like a back rub...and leg rub. Seemed to avoid touching my ass. I got bored after 10 minutes of this, I turned over...and said "sin ropa". She stripped....very nice body, so I my hands did some breast exploration as she was preparing to resume the "massage". The exploration revealed that Lily had recently become a mother.....Got Milk!

Massage resumed on my frontside, this time avoiding chest and legs....hey, that's the right area! I think she asked, "boca?" which means mouth, to which I agreed. However, in the language-limited discussion that followed, it was evident that if her mouth was going to become part of the action, so was a condom. Reasoning that a CBJ was better than no BJ, I eventually agreed....however, this discussion kinda took the starch out of the little head.

A long CBJ ensued, and through hand-motions, I got her to climb on top of me. However, despite her recent maternal status, she was so tight, (and the CBJ discussions left me somewhat limp), I couldn't get in, so we eventually resumed the CBJ to completion. I asked if I could shower, and she led me to a bathroom down the hall where I cleaned up. Got dressed, returned to the lobby, a brief peck on the check from Lily and out the door.

I got the feeling that Lily didn't want to be doing what she was doing....definitely not a GFE, but again, maybe she just didn't like me personally. Although the service wasn't great, I slipped her $5 on the way out.

It took less than 15 minutes to walk back to the bridge. Long lines of people waiting to go through immigration on the U.S. side, but I noticed that closest to the street, there was an area where buses would unload passengers to go through a separate immigration line. I went into the street and squeezed past a bus to get into that line, which only had a few people in it. Probably saved me 45 minutes of time. I flashed my ID and went back to the lot. I had been away from the car for less than 3 hours.

$3 parking, $40 MP, $5 tip....$48 plus a brisk walk to get the job done. No additional charge for the dairy products. Certainly worth doing again.

DreamingEagle
01-06-03, 07:42
Next time you can walk to the very end of Avenida Juarez where it deadends into Vincente Guerrero and take a purple bus called the Circunvalacion which will let you out in front of Serinas. Brendas was in the little strip center on the left side of the street just before you get to the bank at the corner of Avenida de las Americas. It is upstairs on the left end of the strip center and does not have a sign.

You missing it is another reason why the "Men's Guide to Juarez" must come into being. All of the information is here on the forum, but I think guys need to have all of the options available in one three ring binder they can take with them, complete with maps, pictures of the outside of the MP. I am working on finishing the book and getting it on the internet as soon as I possibly can. It should be out there within 45-60 days.

Can't believe Serina's is back to that $40 nonsense. The average price now is $30 and many MPs such as Loryeds and Corpus have gone to $25. Brendas is only $20, $30 for two girls. To get to Corpus you could have just taken any bus which says "Hipermart" or "Futurama" on the front window and gotten off of the bus at V. Guerrero and Calle Peru and walked north one block on Peru. You would have seen a green three story building on your right at the next corner which houses Felinas ($35). If you had turned right at that corner and walked one more block you would have seen Corpus on your right ($25). Catching the bus back to el centro would have been a simply matter of continuing to walk north on Peru two more blocks until you got to 16 de Septiembre. All the buses going that way head back downtown, but you have to get off near Avenida Lerdo and walk a couple more blocks to Avenida Juarez, because most of them turn off before they get to Avenida Juarez.

Getting a GFE every time is kind of a matter of finding four or five favoritas. They really start taking a shine to you when you become a regular, which is hard to do I realize when you come infrequently and do not have the information you need to get around efficiently. But I'm glad you had a great time. Even though I am going to be selling this book I am always will to share what I know here on the WSG. It's not the information itself which will make the product worthwhile to you---but having it all together in one place so you can use it when you are actually there. Buena suerte en tu proximo viaje!

Clomonger
01-07-03, 23:04
Thanks, DreamingEagle, for the additional comments. Seems like Brenda's would get a bit more business if they improved their signage just a bit! But perhaps they need to be discreet.

$45 was the last price that I had heard for Sirena's, so when she said $40, that sounded pretty good. But I overlooked the fact that bargaining is a way of life in Mexico, so I probably paid top dollar..by then the little head was doing too much of the thinking.

Are most of the MPs open by noon or so, even with a reduced number of providers? I found Juarez in the daytime to be quite enjobable...certainly non-threatening.

DreamingEagle
01-08-03, 02:57
Every owner I've talked to says he opens at 9 or 10 a.m., but finding any selection until about 2 or 3 in the afternoon seems to be impossible. Besides, like all businesses in Mexico, they may say it's open on Sunday, and you show up and the door is locked because someone went to a baptism. Or the opening time is 11 a.m., but the guy just set the clock forward another hour to get some more sleep. I actually find this kind of refreshing, like the absence of computers in many places and not having to listen to menus and push buttons for ten minutes before you can talk to a human being when you call a business.

Another refreshing discovery was how easy it is to do business with the local merchants. When I show up wanting to put them on the internet on my new website, Juarez Tour Guide, and show them the pictures and give them a business card, even the best places like Mariscos d'Matazlan restaurant just open their arms and let me shoot photos and gather information. In the U.S. the manager would have to call his division manager, and the division manner would want me to write him a letter...sheesh, I can't wait to say goodbye to all of that once and for all and will be applying for my 3M (residency/work visa) in January.

Not that Mexico is perfect, because for most it's a hard life. But if you have a little business sense and even idiot Spanish a man can do well there. It's pretty wide open...

BubbaGoes
01-09-03, 03:04
Went down to Juarez today on a tour of the MP's, started off at Felina's but the Mammasan wouldn't let me even talk to a girl till I paid my $30. I said no thank you and left, went to Corpus and had a decent time (my first time there). Felt that I had a little juice left so I walked on over to Brenda's (about 3 pm) and there were NO GIRLS!. Went to the other two by the Hotel Villa Manport and coudn't find what I wanted.
I did meet a guy when coming out of Brenda's that told me about a new MP, or that's what he said. A place called Novedades, corner of Ninos Heroes and Pananma L-11 (don't know what that means, maybe a suite number or something), $20. Any of you guys hear about it? Have to get there and check it out.

DreamingEagle
01-09-03, 03:57
Nope, but it sounds like another Ernesto & Son enterprise. They also have Musa which is $20, and I guess they are opening a new one. I'll check it out this weekend.

BubbaGoes
01-10-03, 01:50
Some time back we had a discussion about Indian Viagra through the generics online pharmacy. I had purchased Indian Viagra in SE Asia and it had worked quite well so I made an order. The pills that I just received are a light blue color versus the orange colored ones that I had previously purchsed overseas, and in my opinion, aren't as effective. Are there other Indian sources?

How come you always see a better looking one on the way out?

BigBuddy
01-11-03, 00:02
Bubbagoes,

I remember reading the discussion. You might want to ask about it on the Viagra thread. Someone might have an answer. All I did was go to my regular Dr and tell him I didn't want to go into a long explanation but could he give me a prescrition for viagra. He didn't ask any questions and gave me a prescription for 10 100mg and I can get 2 refills between now and November. It was no bid deal.

Those eternal questions are a *****. If you'll answer why when I get hit on by a regular chick I'm usually not interested and I'll tell you why you always see a better looking one on the way out.

Bbond
01-12-03, 07:09
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did meet a guy when coming out of Brenda's that told me about a new MP, or that's what he said. A place called Novedades, corner of Ninos Heroes and Pananma L-11 (don't know what that means, maybe a suite number or something), $20. Any of you guys hear about it? Have to get there and check it out.
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What you describe here is MUSA's.

Bbond
01-12-03, 07:17
L-11 means local 11, or suite 11 or something similiar to that, basically the address in the complex of the business.

DreamingEagle
01-13-03, 01:01
That is the address of Musa. I just did a photo shoot there two weeks ago for my website. The larger website about Juarez in general is already up, by the way, at www.juareztourguide.com. I only have about four pages published, but I have the content to make about 10 more this week, if not more. Next will be a photo tour of el centro.

The Men's Guide is also coming along nicely, but I will not be finding a host for it until it is complete. Have exterior photos of 17 MPs and interior photos of three MPs, including one MP where I actually got to take some pics of the girls. When I show the other owners how tastefully we did the pics of the girls (never showing their faces) I think I will get to take pictures in a lot of the other MPs as well.

Nothing really new to report. Worn out from having fun as usual.
D.E.

DreamingEagle
01-13-03, 08:29
http://www.generics-online-pharmacy.com/

If you can find any cheaper generic viagra, you be sure and let me know.

It's an Indian company. The pills are 100 mg and come with a slit so you can easily snap them into two 50 mg doses.

I got 16 pills from them for around $45 plus shipping, about $2.80 a tablet.

It works just the same as the name brand, which is going to cost you somewhere around $9-10 a tablet in the U.S.

Beavis
01-13-03, 10:30
Hey Dreaming Eagle how much would they cost if we bought a truckload of them ? lol

Beavis
01-14-03, 19:48
Hey DreamingEagle we would like to invite you to join our discussions on senoritas. Perhaps we could learn a few tricks from each other. We are in different places but not really.

http://*************************NuevoLaredoBoysTownArmy/

DreamingEagle
01-15-03, 05:40
Originally posted by Beavis
Hey DreamingEagle we would like to invite you to join our discussions on senoritas. Perhaps we could learn a few tricks from each other. We are in different places but not really.

http://*************************NuevoLaredoBoysTownArmy/

Thanks, Beavis, I just joined. Unfortunately, I've had a death in the family and will be out of town a while, but when I get back I'll check it out.

Although I've mentioned the Men's Guide here, there is another site at www.juareztourguide.com which will be a general information kind of website about Juarez. The content is still lean, but I believe I've finally found the look I want to keep. Check it out and let me know what you think.

Beavis
01-15-03, 05:44
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. I will check out the site for sure, thanks. I still am going to get over there one of these days.


The site looks great.

GreatGonzo
01-15-03, 07:02
DreamingEagle,
The site looks great so far.....I love your idea and am anxiously awaiting its completion.

KosherCowboy
01-16-03, 06:49
Good evening gentlemen, this is Kosher from Austin and a regular of Nuevo Laredo but Kosher sees a special of 130 RT from Aus-El Paso on Southwest Air and is konsidering a trip there to check out the zona there. Kosher tiene preguntas:

1) How far is airport from border
2) How much are hotels on US side walkable to border gonan cost, and how much are they on MX side
3) Once on Mex side, how much are the taxis to the zone and how much for the driver
4) Kost of the girls to get suckie and fuckie :)

Happy mongering all, and feel free to join our army, Captain Beavis has posted the link...Thanks for your help

DreamingEagle
01-16-03, 19:10
Originally posted by KosherCowboy
Good evening gentlemen, this is Kosher from Austin and a regular of Nuevo Laredo but Kosher sees a special of 130 RT from Aus-El Paso on Southwest Air and is konsidering a trip there to check out the zona there. Kosher tiene preguntas:

1) How far is airport from border
2) How much are hotels on US side walkable to border gonan cost, and how much are they on MX side
3) Once on Mex side, how much are the taxis to the zone and how much for the driver
4) Kost of the girls to get suckie and fuckie :)

Happy mongering all, and feel free to join our army, Captain Beavis has posted the link...Thanks for your help

1) I'd say about a $10 cab ride to the bridge on El Paso Street (known as the Sante Fe Bridge since it used to be at Sante Fe)

2) Don't know about the U.S. side, but I can recommend the Hotel Villa Manport, which is *not* downtown by the *****bars but does have three massage parlours in walking distance; or, you can catch the Circunvalaction bus outside and go downtown for 35 cents; getting back after 9 p.m. will mean a $5 taxi ride; but walk back to the catethedral from the zona to get it for $5; the taxistas in the zona will clip you for $10; that said, you might ask Martin at Club Panama about safe hotel accomodations downtown; I just don't know any.

3) Don't take a taxi to the zona; walk down Avenida Juarez to Martinez (you will see a Densist office at that intersection; turn right; walk past the municipal gymnasium and turn left at Delgollado to find the Club Panama on your left side about two blocks, or keep going straight until you come to a little red building facing you which is Sans Souci (commonly known as Casa Colorado). From there you can find the other places; they are all in that area. (It's not like other border towns where the zona is a specified area.) Beware of the street girls. They are all drug addicts.

4) They will ask for $60, and they insist on $60 is you make the mistake of having a cab driver take you there, because he will come in and wait until you pick a girl so he can get his commission; $50 on a busy night if you walk; $40 if it's real slow and you are sweet to the girl and negotiator; some report $30 on a slow night, but I have no idea what they are fucking; the hot one's I know ain't going to the room for $30 with Kevin Costner...

DreamingEagle
01-24-03, 04:55
After two and a half years in Mexico, I am beginning to wonder if the love affair ever dies. As I write the Juarez Tour Guide I begin to realize how much more the place has come to mean to me than simply the girls. After a while, unlike many of our lives in the United States, the girls are just there, like the air, or the blue sky. That sense of wonder at being able to get all the pussy you want begins to fade and becomes simply a comfort factor---a given like the presence of the air or running water.

It took a trip to bury my father and seeing the family all embroiled in their various enterprises to make me realize how little I miss life in the U.S., and what a secret life I've been living for quite some time. So many things one can't say to people who live lives totally within the culture dish. "What have you been doing?" becomes a perilous question, the truthful answer to which would bring swift ostricization. Taking pictures of girls in the massage parlours of Juarez, Mexico for my Men's Guide to the carnal pleasures available there is *not* the correct answer...

Bless his heart, my papa would understand. He loved Mexico, spoke Spanish, and always told me a man could have whatever he wanted there with a little money and respect. Gotta keep your mind on what's important and stay focused.

So, it seems, in time, Mexico itself becomes one's lover---for the favorita, for me, can never compare to the thrill of having the next muchacha. The favorita remains a favorita until the next truly hot one comes along---after which she becomes like a great movie in your VCR collection, one you enjoy re-watching every few months or so. You drop in now and then, guaranteed a good time, and, after a while, you are guaranteed a good time anywhere you re-visit. Now and then you waste a little money on a dud. Now and then you make up your mind to turn a dud into a firecracker and manage to do it. Whatever...it sure beats watching TV, and Mexico, like an old woman in a work apron wearing boots, despite her run-down appearance, always manages to pull a new diamond out of those pockets now and then. Like the crowded goods in an open-air market, she offers so much it is hard to focus on one item or even remember what you need or why you are shopping. You just wonder what new surprise she will hand you...:)

BigBuddy
01-24-03, 23:45
dreamingeagle,

sorry to hear about the death of your father. when tragic things like this happen it gives us the opportunity to honestly look at our lives. i'm glad you've looked at yours and found it to be what you want. though the rest of your family doesn't understand it must be a comfort to know your father would.

looking at the pile of bills due on the 1st sitting in front of me i must say i am a little jealous of your lifestyle. it's simple and you don't have all the family responsibilities hanging over you. must be nice to sleep without worries. i really shouldn't complain. we each can only follow our own path and overall i must say i'm happy with mine. can't describe what it's like to love your kids. i'd walk in front of a speeding freight train without a second thought to save one of them. much more intense than the love for a parent or spouse. also would never replace my wife even though i need some strange a few times a year. i think were just wired to be like this.

that said, i can't wait to get to juarez in feb to bang some 21 year olds. if you wan't we can hook up. i'll be there for business but worked out 3 days of nothing but fun. maybe i can be a guinea pig for the tour guide. give an unbiased report. by the way, your site is looking great. you are a no bs guy.

Dougie
01-26-03, 23:26
Originally posted by ElPasoGentleman
I've been searching for a good dentist and orthodontist.


The Washington Dental Clinic is on Avenida Lerdo just south of Calle David Herrera Jordan and just north of Tlaxcala, on the east side of the road. Cross the pedestrian bridge on EP street, turn left on the first street which is Calle Azucenas, there is a Liquor Center at the intersection of this street and Av. Juarez. About a block east is Fco. Villa, just stay straight ahead, you will be on C. David Herrera Jordan, walk down a couple of blocks to Lerdo and hang a right. You cannot miss the place. Expect to pay about $0.20 on the dollar for the same services you would receive at a dentist in the US. I see Dr. Gutierrez, he knows his shit and will do a good job. They prefer to accept payment in USD, forget the pesos, unilke in the MPs it is cheaper in USD at this dentist.

The receptionist in this place is a real knockout, I cannot remember her name but after leaving you will really be looking to fuck something. Also, three of the dental hygenists are also fine, and are the daughters of the administrator.

Dougie
01-26-03, 23:56
Originally posted by KosherCowboy


1) How far is airport from border
2) How much are hotels on US side walkable to border gonan cost, and how much are they on MX side
3) Once on Mex side, how much are the taxis to the zone and how much for the driver
4) Kost of the girls to get suckie and fuckie :)

Happy mongering all, and feel free to join our army, Captain Beavis has posted the link...Thanks for your help

Kosher, DE's advice about the cab from the airport is good advice. I personally take the bus but Sun Metro sucks and the bus to the airport only runs once an hour and you have to transfer at the Five Points Terminal to another bus to make it all the way down town. Confusing, and time consuming. I think the bus is the #33 but only one goes all the way to the terminal anyway so it doesn't matter the number. The shuttle from Five Points to downtown is the #31 as memory serves me and runs every 10 minutes. If you have good legs walk down to Montana and catch the #50 which runs every half hour but you still have to xfer at Five Points. Buy your xfer when you board the #33/#50, the whole ride will cost you $1.10. Or walk down to the K-Mart and buy a bicycle and ride it, it's all downhill to the border. Give the bike away at the border and take a cab or the bus back to the airport, the ride back is all uphill and a killer (literally) unless you have a healthy cardiovascular system.

Hotels on the MX side are less expensive than on the US side, and there is nothing worth a shit on the US side that is walkable to the border anyway. Besides, if you stay on the US side you will end up spending all your time standing in line at customs trying to get back across. Do yourself a favor and stay in MX, you will have more time to do what you are down there for anyway. I recommend the Villa Manport. I recently paid $28/night for a good room which is close to everything you need. The place is clean, safe and has a great staff, a courtyard with a pool, a decent restaurant and a nice bar. 3 massage parlors within EASY walking distance as well as a great steakhouse, a nice bakery for snacks and a laundry. Pharmacies, banks, liquor stores, everything within easy walking distance of the hotel.

You do not need a taxi to the Zona, once you cross the Santa Fe bridge you are there. Walk deftly past the gauntlet of parasitic cabbies to Martinez and hang a right. You are there, the Casa Colorado is straight ahead and the Club Panama is just to the south on Delgollado.

Suckie-fuckie, $10-$15 for a SW (not recommended for SO many reasons), $20-$35 for a 1/2 to 1 hour session in an MP (highly recommended) and $50-$70 for a quickie in a filthy room at one of the clubs in the Zona. The Zona is a tourist trap for dumbasses and newbies. Stick with the MPs, much better deal, safer and free from harassment by the fucking corrupt Policia that prowl the Zona looking for a sucker to shake down.

Dougie
01-27-03, 00:00
Originally posted by Beavis
Hey DreamingEagle we would like to invite you to join our discussions on senoritas. Perhaps we could learn a few tricks from each other. We are in different places but not really.



Dude, I thought you were in Africa. That's about as "different" as it gets.

DreamingEagle
01-27-03, 08:10
Dougie is right about the zona. Lot of guys just like mixing the drinking and the fucking, and if you like that the *****bars are the place to go. But the MPs are half price compared to the *****bars. I have a page on my Juarez Tour Guide about the Hotel Villa Manport he recommended which will give you a good idea of what to expect.

http://www.juareztourguide.com/html/hotelvm.HTM

I had to go to the zona today in my car to hunt down Martin, and the place gives me the creeps in the daytime. It's a shame that el centro is a visitor's first, and usualy only, impression of the city...and he's right, the cops down there will shake you down on the flimsiest pretext.

DreamingEagle
01-27-03, 08:18
Good news...not this week but next I should be posting a coupon good for a 1 hour full service session at Masaje Sirena for only $30. After doing a photo shoot there this Saturday, the management saw the spreads on the other MPs I've done, checked out the prices, and offered this as a special for my clients. I will get the coupon done this week, run it by them one final time next Saturday, then post the image here so you guys can print it out and take it with you. $30 is a great price for Sirena's because it has the best decor of any MP in the city. They also had a number of very pretty girls there this Saturday. But $40-$45 (the price keeps changing there) is just way too much. I would post it now, but let's let them see the coupon before I post it to make sure its going to be honored.

By the way, Sirenas is right across the street from the Hotel VM.

Egg
01-28-03, 10:57
Thanks to dreamingeagle and others for help in figuring out the scene for a sAturday night "layover."


Started with a stop in the pharmacia for some vitamin V - actually, the generic equivalent was the best deal, just $9 a pop for 100mg. With half of one as insurance I checked out the street scene aroudn the gymnasium. This was approaching midnight on Saturday, and there must have been 40-50 girls out, from 2's to an 8 or 9. Cars were swooping in and picking the girls up left and right, so I picked out a cutie with what looked like a good body and very attractive face, with a perky smile. We agreed on a bj and sex for $20 then walked to a nearby hotel, where I paid $5 for the room. Her body was not as good as it had looked clothed (funny how that works). We did all the usual positions, including cbj. When we we finished I went for a drink then checked out the scene in the Casa Colorado and Panama (Pink Lady was closed). In Club Panama the girls were much nicer, and I chatted with Angie, who is 18 and goes to college in El Paso, so she speaks perfect English (we mostly talked in Spanish, so I could practice). Angie looks like the daughter of a Spanish nobleman and an Aztec princess - drop dead gorgeous. Arter discussing all the details of what I wanted to do with her, and how much it would cost, we adjourned to a room off the side street, where I paid the $60 house fee and $2 for the condom. I gave Angie another $20 for bbbjtc with swallowing and cfs in all positions, and got the requested GFE including DATY. She delivered on all of these! Recommend Angie highly.

Thanks again for all the help!

DreamingEagle
01-28-03, 15:17
The Pink Lady is still open. It's just moved, something I discovered Saturday and didn't have time to post last night. If you are coming from Casa, after you see the old building, just keep going down that same street another 10 blocks. They moved quite a ways from the old location, but inside the new building everything is brand new. It really looks nice. Tio showed me the new rooms, and each one is brand new, also. Prices are the same. There were only four girls there, but it was early Saturday afternoon about 2:30. I got a card with the exact address and will post it and the telephone number next week. The bag where I put all my information got left behind in Juarez this time.

Dougie
01-30-03, 03:52
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
Dougie is right about the zona. Lot of guys just like mixing the drinking and the fucking, and if you like that the *****bars are the place to go.

Perhaps I misspoke myself regarding the Zona. I implied, actually stated outright, that the Zona is a tourist trap for dumbasses and newbies. I stand by that statement, but qualify it by saying that I know several Mongers of High Repute who frequent the Zona because that is the ONLY place you are going to get any action after 9:00pm and the only place where alcohol and pussy are served up under the same roof. I exclude the strip club scene from this discussion because it is stupidly overpriced, even by US standards. Therefore the Zona IS for DAs and newbies because that is the direction they are steered by cabbies, info from the boards, Papa Smurf, ect, but not ONLY for DAs and newbies.

That said, EVERYONE I know who frequents the Zona has been shaken down by the Policia, EVERYONE!! Think about it, drunken gringo with a pocket full of money out looking for pussy, alone at night on foot in the Zona, you might as well be wearing a sandwich sign saying "Rob Me". Who could pass up an opportunity like that? You are the fawn with the broken leg and they are the pack of hungry wolves, pretty predictable outcome there don't you think? I guess the upside of being robbed by the Policia is that you are NOT nearly as likely to wind up in several dumpsters being chewed on by hungry rats or in the trunk of a burning car, scenarios which could very well come to pass should you run afoul of the wrong crowd in that neck of the woods.

If you must prowl the Zona do yourself a favor and make your first few trips down there during the daytime to get the lay of the land so you will be prepared should you find yourself in a compromising situation there at night. Otherwise, stick to the MPs, better deal all the way around and perfectly safe even for the greenest of newbies.

DreamingEagle
01-30-03, 15:32
regarding the zona (or el centro as a whole) we have not even discussed recently the dangers of getting involved with drugs or an ****d street girl. i don't mean to scare you guys off the zona, just to make perfectly clear that it is a place where you can wind up in a situation not of your own making. poverty + drug addition + corrupt cops = trouble, juarez, l.a., anywhere...

Dougie
02-01-03, 21:24
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
The Pink Lady is still open. It's just moved, something I discovered Saturday and didn't have time to post last night. If you are coming from Casa, after you see the old building, just keep going down that same street another 10 blocks.


Geez, another 10 blocks south would put them completely outside the Zona into the neighborhood south of the Cathedral, wouldn't it?? Maybe that was the idea, place themselves outside of easy walking distance from the other clubs, especially for a gringo who does not know the lay of the land.

DreamingEagle
02-12-03, 03:05
COUPON FOR SIRENA'S MASSAGE PARLOUR

As part of a deal I worked out with the management in my development of the "Men's Guide to Juarez", Sirena's has offered this $30 coupon for 1 hour, full service, jacuzzi rooms not included.

Jackson has no way to post the image of the coupon here on the forum, but if you will email me at elk_dreamer@hotmail.com with the subject line MP Coupon (or something related to Juarez) I will send it to you as an attachment. Then just print the image and go. Their normal price is $45, and it's probably the nicest MP in Juarez in terms of decor. They also had some pretty girls there last weekend.

Jdindc9
02-15-03, 00:15
I'm no expert, but I did get firsthand experience with Hotel Rex, walked miles west, south, and east of the zona, and wandered around the maze of the Zona's streets for hours - day and night.


Originally posted by dougie
the Zona is a tourist trap for dumbasses and newbies. I stand by that statement, but qualify it by saying that I know several Mongers of High Repute who frequent the Zona because that is the ONLY place you are going to get any action after 9:00pm and the only place where alcohol and pussy are served up under the same roof. I exclude the strip club scene from this discussion because it is stupidly overpriced, even by US standards. Therefore the Zona IS for DAs and newbies because that is the direction they are steered by cabbies, info from the boards, Papa Smurf, ect, but not ONLY for DAs and newbies.


Nothing personal dougie, but your post is only half true.

I walked down the worse streets of the Zone and surrounding areas with no problems (day and early night). All the cabbies I got the pitch from tried to steer me away from the zone and toward the Pink Lady with the exception of one or two of the main clubs like the Panama.

IMHO these are newbie clubs if you allow the taxicab driver or "friend" to take you to one of them. Then he gets his cut which in turn jacks up the price to a price comparable to U.S. prices.



That said, EVERYONE I know who frequents the Zona has been shaken down by the Policia, EVERYONE!! Think about it, drunken gringo with a pocket full of money out looking for pussy, alone at night on foot in the Zona, you might as well be wearing a sandwich sign saying "Rob Me". Who could pass up an opportunity like that?

Regarding the cops, I cant really find fault with a cop that shakes us down now and then. He has to deal with the druggies and criminals everyday - most of whom he blames on us for providing the cash. The key is like any city, have decoy money and then have some well-hidden. And, come to think of it, how is it any different than a US "sting" where they impound your car to fill the city coffers? So long as he doesnt beat me, throw me in jail, or kill me.


likely to wind up in several dumpsters being chewed on by hungry rats or in the trunk of a burning car, scenarios which could very well come to pass should you run afoul of the wrong crowd in that neck of the woods.

Dude, for someone who loves Latina's you sure are stereotyping.
Contrary to what some would advise, I said hello to the police, the prostitutes, the old ladys, everybody. They even told me where the dangerous parts were (kinda funny, the bad part of the zone). A prostitute helped me back to the main road, sure she asked if I could give her some money for food when she got there, but hell I was wearing dress pants and spending more in a week then she would in a year for gods sake.

I did get robbed by one streetwalker at the Hotel Rex (not one of the homely ones that hangs out in front of it) - snatch the money and run job - my own fault and I deserved it. But its like vegas, only carry what you plan on spending. Oh, BTW, I drank coca-cola the whole time, to avoid impeded judgement. But the little-guy worked against me with the Hotel Rex situation.

If you want booze and a woman with no hassles walk to one of the zone clubs like the Panama. Follow the instructions in a previous post. Walk past the main line of cabs then hang a right and go one or two blocks over. Any club will have women - Hollywood, Panama. I forget which one, but one club had some positively stunning women. They danced too, but the price was much higher, though.

From what I could see, the zone is relatively safe, on your trip in - assuming your coming in before 9 pm - its the trip out that you want to invest the extra couple dollars for a taxi.

I really liked the club Laura's Place. Go to the Hotel Villa ManPort on Escobar and Panama for a clean, safe, inexpensive hotel. You can take the red bus (3 pesos) or a cab ($7-10 dollars) to the Zona. I took the bus. BTW, Hotel Villa ManPort is across the street from a massage parlor. I didnt go but I saw a hot woman walking in.



If you must prowl the Zona do yourself a favor and make your first few trips down there during the daytime to get the lay of the land so you will be prepared should you find yourself in a compromising situation there at night.

Good advice, but be prepared for the Zona to look totally different at night.


Otherwise, stick to the MPs, better deal all the way around and perfectly safe even for the greenest of newbies.

For you out-of-towners reading this. If you want safe, let me tell you, save your money. For the price of coming here you can go multiple times to an amp or an escort. But for excitement, the Zone and surrounding areas can't be beat IMHO.

I will post my (mis)adventures here shortly.

Jdindc9
02-15-03, 00:30
from what i was told by some residents of the zona, sometimes the cops have even used ****d streetgirls to shake you down. you take the girl, the cops stop you, you know your doing something illegal, so cop and girl gets your money. your not really in violation of the law, as your not really doing anything, but who's going to argue....

imho, no different the us police's sanctioned shake downs where they impound your car, though.



originally posted by dreamingeagle
regarding the zona (or el centro as a whole) we have not even discussed recently the dangers of getting involved with drugs or an ****d street girl. i don't mean to scare you guys off the zona, just to make perfectly clear that it is a place where you can wind up in a situation not of your own making. poverty + drug addition + corrupt cops = trouble, juarez, l.a., anywhere...

Jdindc9
02-15-03, 00:34
In Club Panama the girls were much nicer, and I chatted with Angie, who is 18 and goes to college in El Paso, so she speaks perfect English (we mostly talked in Spanish, so I could practice). Angie looks like the daughter of a Spanish nobleman and an Aztec princess - drop dead gorgeous. Arter discussing all the details of what I wanted to do with her, and how much it would cost...Recommend Angie highly.


I did not go with Angie, but met her and he is correct she is very beautiful and worth asking for by name.

Jdindc9
02-15-03, 00:40
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
I have a page on my Juarez Tour Guide about the Hotel Villa Manport he recommended which will give you a good idea of what to expect.
http://www.juareztourguide.com/html/hotelvm.HTM


Thanks, at your websites recommendation - and your wsgforum suggestion, went to the Hotel Villa Manport. Great, girl friendly, in a good part of town, across the street from massage parlor. Its kinda far from the zone. One hour walk, 30 minute bus, 15 minute cab ride - I did all three. But it is definitly the place to stay. Clean and inexpensive.

Jdindc9
02-15-03, 00:50
Thank you, for some strange reason, after reading your posts I went to Juarez. Originally as a sex tourist, but by the fifth day, I knew that I had a really unique place, with really unique people.



Originally posted by DreamingEagle
After two and a half years in Mexico, I am beginning to wonder if the love affair ever dies. As I write the Juarez Tour Guide I begin to realize how much more the place has come to mean to me than simply the girls. After a while, unlike many of our lives in the United States, the girls are just there, like the air, or the blue sky. That sense of wonder at being able to get all the pussy you want begins to fade and becomes simply a comfort factor---a given like the presence of the air or running water.

It took a trip to bury my father and seeing the family all embroiled in their various enterprises to make me realize how little I miss life in the U.S., and what a secret life I've been living for quite some time. So many things one can't say to people who live lives totally within the culture dish. "What have you been doing?" becomes a perilous question, the truthful answer to which would bring swift ostricization. Taking pictures of girls in the massage parlours of Juarez, Mexico for my Men's Guide to the carnal pleasures available there is *not* the correct answer...

Bless his heart, my papa would understand. He loved Mexico, spoke Spanish, and always told me a man could have whatever he wanted there with a little money and respect. Gotta keep your mind on what's important and stay focused.

So, it seems, in time, Mexico itself becomes one's lover---for the favorita, for me, can never compare to the thrill of having the next muchacha. The favorita remains a favorita until the next truly hot one comes along---after which she becomes like a great movie in your VCR collection, one you enjoy re-watching every few months or so. You drop in now and then, guaranteed a good time, and, after a while, you are guaranteed a good time anywhere you re-visit. Now and then you waste a little money on a dud. Now and then you make up your mind to turn a dud into a firecracker and manage to do it. Whatever...it sure beats watching TV, and Mexico, like an old woman in a work apron wearing boots, despite her run-down appearance, always manages to pull a new diamond out of those pockets now and then. Like the crowded goods in an open-air market, she offers so much it is hard to focus on one item or even remember what you need or why you are shopping. You just wonder what new surprise she will hand you...:)

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 03:28
part one.

before i begin, i was in a spending mood, i know i way over paid, so dont flame me and dont use this post as a judge of juarez's prices.

first night, got to juarez late so took cab to hotel villa manport then to the panama. first girl was okay but not great.

she was very beautiful, but just not really into it. she had to call her babysitter to let her know she'd be an hour late. tipped her $100 anyways. let her leave well before the hour was up.

after she left for home, the second girl in panama was not beautiful but cool. angie helped us talk (any knows english - see other posts). i ended up taking the second girl to my hotel for the night for $100. tipped her well too.

the second day, i took a bus to the zona early afternoon. everything was pretty dead. but a thin, not more then 19 year old girl asked me the time. then if i wanted a hotel. i said yes and away we went to the hotel rex. she was kind of fidgety and nervous - should have seen she was strung out, but the little guy was doing the thinking for me. well, i gave paid for the hotel and gave her the money, the idea being i'd give her the lousy $25 bucks - or whatever it was - and then tip her much more later. she pulled up her shirt, then told me i needed to give her $20 for the police because she was only 15. no, i'm not a ****, but i gave her the money anyways. when i opened my wallet, boom, the $600 pesos in my wallet and her were gone. what could i do, chase her, grab her? i was a sucker.

i, and the uglier street girls that are usually around the hotel rex had a good laugh at that - i mean, in the grand scheme of things whats 600 pesos?

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 03:39
After getting taken by the street girl (my own fault). I walked around Juarez quite a bit more - mostly in the Zona. I think most dudes must walk in and walk out, cause I got more then one or two startled reactions from streetwalkers and cabbies when they saw me a second time.

I then met a border-boy (or whatever they are called) who was hustling two us guys to go to the Pink Lady. I told him I was not interested in a club, interested in a woman that looked like xyz (I did not come all the way to Mexico just to get $100 off a typical escort quality girl in a Zona club). I wanted an 18 to 25, thin, straight-haired girl, that was on the street, and yadda-yadda-yadd. I told him that, and then paid the guy to walk me around.

He took me all over the centro, including the central area where the prostitutes are thats outside the zona. Its down in the center where the open air markets are. In fact, I'd recommend you go down there if you want a less-expensive lady and to experience a little bit of a different cultural atmosphere. But be advised, its a maze of street vendors and unlike the Zona, almost no police, and no doormen that speaks english either. In fact I did not see any "gringo" clubs, just prostitutes. But I imagine its "safer" then the zona since its not strictly set up to siphen money from a gringo's wallet. Go there during the day first. Hard to explain where its at - down in the center by the church is the best I can do. Sorry.

He definitly earned his money, as he walked me around for the better part of all night. He kept showing me pretty girls and I kept saying no, not that one. He'd take me to a bar, I'd say no. I was being a real pain-in-the-ass for being so choosy. I sensed this, so I told him not to worry, I'd give him 100 bucks at the end of the night.

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 03:56
After awhile, I started thinking about the girl that stole my money. That was the girl I was looking for. BTW, she was probably going on 20 IMHO. So, we went over to the Rex, found a girl that knew her, and I paid her $50 to take us to this girl's apartment. An adventure, but once we found the girl, she was so ripped on crack - presumably from the money she stole from me - it was scary.

Not being one to give up, I got the girl and guy that took me to her to agree to keep her sober enough the next day to have her meet me at Hotel Rex at a preset time. Now, anyone want to wager a bet if she kept that appointment?

The next day, there I was in front of Hotel Rex waiting for her, while some gay streetwalker kept bugging me for fucky sucky. Saw something kind of strange. A dude in a convertible from texas, wearing cowboy clothes and a big cowboy hat pulled up in front of the hotel, sat there for awhile, then when noone came out to his car took off. That was worth the price of admission.

Dejected, I started walking around again. Met a nice girl on the street, late teens early twenties (seemed to me anyways). And hooked up with her. Hooked up with her again later. She was not a professional so I'm using discretion here.

Later, wandered to a place called Laura's and met a US guy living in the Zona and I also met the bar's owner. Drank alot of beer. The owner steered this girl my way, who was not a constant working girl. He knew I didnt want to get a room, but told her she should practice english with me. We talked a long time, and I was able to ascertain her husband had died of alchoholism, she was an alchoholic (the tip-drinks I was buying her were jack and water), and she had two kids. After awhile, I got a room - kind of liked her - and we did the deed. I tipped her my standard $100 and she couldnt believe it.

Now, note, I knew about the massage places, one was across the street from my hotel, but hell I went for adventure not rub-n-tug delux - hell I can get that in U.S.A.

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 04:08
So, the score card was 4 days, 4 girls, 6 times.

But I feel like shit sitting here in my several hundred thousand dollar home, safely tucked away up north, while a teenage crackhead is sitting on the street waiting for her next sucker, a very young woman is sitting in club Panama right now making money for her baby because there are no other jobs, a mother of two is sitting in Laura's drowing her problems, and another girl, who will remain nameless and I wont describe, is being taken advantage of as I speak. One young lady I sort of befriended on Thursday morning - a streetwalker I had met Wed night with the Mexican guy, remembered me and we talked (the best I could with my little spanish). She was carrying home two jars of peanut butter to feed a kid. Two fucking jars of peanut butter. Hopefully she used the money I gave her - she didnt ask BTW for any - for the kid and not crack. But I suspect she used it for crack.

Well I'm preaching and I'm sorry. But for those of you I saw come into Laura's - talk to nobody - me included - got a girl, fucked her, then left - you should pause to take a look around. Angie, a girl using the money to pay for college, is the exception not the rule. Walk around the Zona, and you'll see its pretty fascinating place with live people.

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 04:34
So now the question I ask myself is did I worsen the problem in my own little way? I didnt have anything to do with the abject poverty - did I? Were my rich guy $100 tips generous, or was I an ugly american? I still have the image burning in my mind of a drugged out girl, no more then 18, with crazy-messy hair, wild blakened eyes, skinny, walking like a zombie near the big gymnasium in the Zona area. Or the pudgy girl walking around that wanted to suck me for $5.

I also find myself wondering about the Baltimore street action, where the girls, albeit they have food and a much more comfortable house, are also hooked on crack. Baltimore is a rough town, and these girls have rough lives. Am I making them worse?

I should have stuck to the MPs and the one or two so-called newbie clubs, as I wouldnt be having these moral dilemas. I should stick to the high-priced escorts in the states....But goddamn I have an addiction for the girls on the street.

And the problem is, I cant wait to get my next fix.

Thats my Juarez report, take it or leave it.

ElPasoGentleman
02-16-03, 07:50
Well, jdindc9 - you certainly are prolific to say the least. You raised a number of questions in your self-examination and your "moral dilemma" is well-taken. Your approach to the entire experience is as interesting as the experience itself. But you are not alone. Sure, for decades, there have been many, many gringos making the trek south of the border for that sweet Mexican pussy. And many of them don't even blink an eye at the moral implications - and they couldn't care less. Then there are those such as yourself who find it necessary to pause for a moment to reflect on this south of the border experience. This is good. But life is life and reality is reality. You could take your self-examinations to the halls of the most educated institutions - and it will only lead to one conclusion. It is only YOU and you alone who will, in the final analysis, come to your own personal understanding. Noone can provide the answers for you. My only thought is, yes, the $100 tips are way out of line. Does this stem from compassion? Does it stem from guilt? Are you further "corrupting" these young ladies? Who knows. The philosophicial implications of your Mexican encounters run the full gamet of human experience. And only you can bring this to some semblance of understanding. Personally, I would love to be involved in a comprehensive, scientific study of all that goes on in the zona. The situation there will not change, but I have a curiosity myself. Good luck and be careful. And, dang, watch those tips, okay? :)

BorderJumper
02-16-03, 16:25
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jdindc9
[i]So now the question I ask myself is did I worsen the problem in my own little way?

Those tips were way out of line hero although apparently you gave them to assuage your guilt in some way maybe. It's doubtful you made a positive diference in anyones life except for maybe he non pro you speak of, and if you did, so much the better. The difference you did make though is that thse that come behind you will have a tougher time of it because you made a couple of gals think they were worth the $100 tips you were throwing around. You also enriche the life of at least one person, Chito, the owner of Club Laura's.

Chito's a wonderful guy. He really is. A role model for society. He takes the girls as they come off the bus, pays their expenses and gets them hooked on crack or other drugs of pleasure for free or at greatly reduced prices and then when they are hooked, he works their ass until they are a shell of the person they were. Perhaps the girl that ripped you at Hotel Rex began her carreer with Chito.

You also put yourself at risk throwing around that kind of money. Although when I was down there a few weeks ago, I notcied the Police presence somewhat less than in the past, you could hae lost much more than $60.00

You were lucky and you'll have to search your soul for the answers to your questions you pose. Juarez is a great town with many wonderful people but just as many scuzzballs. You were in it's underbelly.

Next trip, come on down to Nuevo Laredo and experience the Boystown we have here. You like street action, we got it. Hundreds of room girls every size imaginable. Something sure to pique your interest and throwing $100 dollar bills around is not necessary. These girls all have lives.

I would be interested to knw though, if you remeber the name of the alchoholic at Laura's. She sounds familiar!
Take care

Chukie
02-16-03, 17:52
Dude,

Throwing around $100 tips in the Zona is bad medicine. You are lucky that you didn't get shaked down by the police, I'm sure they would have been interested in a gringo with a pocketfull of money.
The Zona has been the Zona for the past 60 years. Probably seen better times in the past. I have lived in El Paso and have seen it change in my short lifetime. I spoke with a retired army MP who was stationed at Fort Bliss 1948 to 1954; he said the place was rocking back then. So things are probably much calmer now. The use of drugs is probably worse.
You obviously have not spent any time in Latin America. Take a trip down to Central or South America. See a Juarez Zona equivalent in Lima, Cali, Tegucigalpa...you couldn't walk in those places at night, much less the daytime...
The Zona in Juarez is a trip, but not a guilt trip.
If you are feeling guilty, go see a priest.

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 18:15
Those tips were way out of line hero although apparently you gave them to assuage your guilt in some way maybe. It's doubtful you made a positive diference in anyones life except for maybe he non pro you speak of, and if you did, so much the better.
I know, I know.


The difference you did make though is that thse that come behind you will have a tougher time of it because you made a couple of gals think they were worth the $100 tips you were throwing around.
The girls I saw, all were deservant of my money. And dudes that come behind me, looking on the street for action like I did, well I cant have too much sympathy for them. Now for club Panama, I apologize fellow wsgforum mongers.


You also enriche the life of at least one person, XXX, the owner of Club XXX.
I really hid the tips from him, unless the girls are so scared they had to give it to him out of fear.

On the Baltimore board, I did get flamed for the money I tipped too...I apologize, particularly to the El Paso mongers. I did not think about the effects of the guys coming behind me. Didnt go to the MPs, though, which is where the budget and safety concious mongers should go anyway....not the gymnasium in the zona at night ;-)


XXX a wonderful guy. He really is. A role model for society. He takes the girls as they come off the bus, pays their expenses and gets them hooked on crack or other drugs of pleasure for free or at greatly reduced prices and then when they are hooked, he works their ass until they are a shell of the person they were. Perhaps the girl that ripped you at Hotel Rex began her carreer with XXX.

Perhaps, and you confirm my suspicions on XXX. I saw it when the bartender was scared to give the girl a little extra jack in her drink because xxx might be watching. I am actually 80% close to moving in xxx's apartments, if you can believe that shit. He could see I'm hooked on the panocha, but not drugs or alchohol.


You also put yourself at risk throwing around that kind of money. Although when I was down there a few weeks ago, I notcied the Police presence somewhat less than in the past, you could hae lost much more than $60.00

I dont think I was lucky, I hardly drank, I only carried what I was willing to lose from getting mugged (thats actually how I figured in my mind what I should carry!), and I had the fastest escape route practiced from early morning walks. Moreover, when being led around, I always kept - at least tried - to keep my bearing. And the money I did carry was distributed among all my pockets, and other places. All I was concerned about was not loosing my life.


You were lucky and you'll have to search your soul for the answers to your questions you pose. Juarez is a great town with many wonderful people but just as many scuzzballs. You were in it's underbelly.

And I loved it. Fellow mongers, mind you, I didnt go to Juarez to be a dick. I went for sex. Its just that my quest for street action over the four days I was there turned me into a dick - at least for other wsgforum members.


Next trip, come on down to Nuevo Laredo and experience the Boystown we have here. You like street action, we got it. Hundreds of room girls every size imaginable. Something sure to pique your interest and throwing $100 dollar bills around is not necessary. These girls all have lives.

Not really interested, thank you, though. I can see escorts in the DC/Baltimore area - and saving a couple bucks wasnt why I went. Fellow WSGForum dudes, if I do go to Nuevo Laredo, on my honor, I promise not to ruin Nuevo Laredo with big ass tips :-)


I would be interested to knw though, if you remeber the name of the alchoholic at Laura's. She sounds familiar!
Take care
I woulnt divulge names - even street names - on WSGForum unless I get permission. But I realize you were being sarcastic.

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 18:22
Originally posted by ElPasoGentleman
Well, jdindc9 - you certainly are prolific to say the least.
Sorry for clogging the board, but I thought the report/experience would be interesting for others going to Juarez for sws.


many, many gringos making the trek south of the border for that sweet Mexican pussy. And many of them don't even blink an eye at the moral implications - and they couldn't care less. Then there are those such as yourself who find it necessary to pause for a moment to reflect on this south of the border experience.

And I will be back to Juarez, in fact, for some strange, unexplicable reason, I find this city pulling me to it...shit, who am I kidding, its the Latinas!

BorderJumper
02-16-03, 18:24
I assure you no sarcasm was intended. Email me jdindc9 please. leave out the spaces of course

pcorn54 @ nld.cybercable. net .mx

The irls give Chito the money because they "owe" it to him. Didn't he try to set you up with his "sister"?

BorderJumper
02-16-03, 18:32
Originally posted by jdindc9
Sorry for clogging the board,

... I kidding, its the Latinas!

Don't apologize for clogging the board because you're not. that is what this forum is for. To exchange ideas, suggestions and help others who venture south to this pussy heaven of Mexico. Soem of us have lived south of the border for years and seen the changes brought forth by behavior you describe and it is disturbing to put it mildly. But, we all live and learn and profit from others triumphs and mistakes and hope we can all make a small difference in someones live in the meantime!

And yes, it is the Latinas!!!

BorderJumper
02-16-03, 18:39
"I dont think I was lucky, I hardly drank, I only carried what I was willing to lose from getting mugged (thats actually how I figured in my mind what I should carry!), and I had the fastest escape route practiced from early morning walks. Moreover, when being led around, I always kept - at least tried - to keep my bearing. And the money I did carry was distributed among all my pockets, and other places. All I was concerned about was not loosing my life."

Last comment. I wasn't referring to the general populace but to the Police and the club owners, particularly Neto of Club Panama. You don't have to be drunk for the Police to relieve you of every centavo on your person as a fine inlieu of going to jail on some trumed up charge. A couple of years ago, Neto of the Panam had me "arrested" fpr posting derogatory but somewhat true information about him on a website I owned. Got to ride around in the back of a paddy wagon for an hour with two drunk hookers on my lap and 20 drunk mexicans on the floor before being taken to a side street and being informed I could be released for $100USD. Of course I paid!

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 18:45
Dude, I emailed you from hotmail. Did you get it?


Originally posted by borderjumper
I assure you no sarcasm was intended. Email me jdindc9 please. leave out the spaces of course

pcorn54 @ nld.cybercable. net .mx

The irls give Chito the money because they "owe" it to him. Didn't he try to set you up with his "sister"?

Jdindc9
02-16-03, 19:21
Do the club owners read this board?

Bbond
02-17-03, 00:52
Keep running aroung the zona and you will get stopped by the police, it will happen. When you least expect it, right in the open, in front of all kinds of people, they will rob you, discretely, but they will rob you. Drunk, sober, it don't matter. I have been stopped four times and robbed three. The one time I didn't get robbed? Don't know, can't explain, they went through my person and my car pretty good, looking for drugs I suppose, but let me go. And that was about 2:00am, go figure.

Bbond
02-17-03, 00:56
my "friend" chito. what a guy. if you want anything while in juarez, anything, see chito. he will set you up with someone that can help you. want an **** girl, chito can help, drugs, see chito, what a guy.


(chito owner of laura's)

Jdindc9
02-17-03, 03:02
originally posted by bbond
my "friend" xxx. what a guy. if you want anything while in juarez, anything, see xxx. he will set you up with someone that can help you. want an **** girl, xxx can help, drugs, see xxx, what a guy.
(xxx owner of xxx)
dude, technically that borders on slander imho.

Dickhead
02-17-03, 04:32
It is not slander. Slander is verbal. Now LIBEL is written. However, truth is a defense for both. jd: why don't you go tip Chito $100 to make him feel better?

Jdindc9
02-17-03, 05:43
Originally posted by Dickhead
It is not slander. Slander is verbal. Now LIBEL is written. However, truth is a defense for both. jd: why don't you go tip Chito $100 to make him feel better?
Dude, your handle is fitting for you, you are a dickhead.

Bbond
02-17-03, 05:59
no man, chito is the real dickhead. he literally steals from the girls. runs them ragged, has no compassion or sympathy for them, knows they are strung out and plays it to his advantage to the max.
i have known him for about 4 years, know where he lives, know his wife and daughter. don't tell me about chito, he is the lowest of the low. i watched as a girl asked him for a loan of $10, he pulled a wad of money out of his pocket kinda flashed it so she could see he had plenty, then told her.......... no. chito's girls work for him because the only alternative is the streets, and he pretty much lets them come and go as they please, except when there are customers in lauras, then the girls better be there too.
take a girl to the room from lauras and it's $50, the girl might get $20. chito, what a guy. and what i said earlier about the ****, the truth buddy, the whole thuth.

Dickhead
02-17-03, 06:05
Thanks, dude. Just don't tip so much. It messes everything up for the rest of us and the Mexicans don't respect you for it. The minimum wage in Mexico is about $5 per day and that is for 10 hours. Read the board before you go and spend accordingly. That's what it's here for. I spend about a month per year in Mexico and guys like you make every American who goes there look like some kind of a mark. You are definitely a mark but I am not.

Jdindc9
02-17-03, 06:06
Originally posted by bbond
bbond, can you email me [ aw screw it I dont need you to email me so address deleted]

This is wrapping up my posting till my next foray, as I dont want to appear to be sermonizing and I dont want to be on the banned users list.

Jdindc9
02-17-03, 06:11
Originally posted by Dickhead
Thanks, dude. Just don't tip so much. It messes everything up for the rest of us and the Mexicans don't respect you for it. The minimum wage in Mexico is about $5 per day and that is for 10 hours. Read the board before you go and spend accordingly. That's what it's here for. I spend about a month per year in Mexico and guys like you make every American who goes there look like some kind of a mark. You are definitely a mark but I am not.
I was not a mark, no one targeted me, I was very discrete with the bucks. Can I help it that I had em?

Dickhead
02-17-03, 06:23
Ummm, you GOT ROBBED! You seem like a good "Dude" but you are shark bait.

Jdindc9
02-17-03, 06:52
Originally posted by Dickhead
Ummm, you GOT ROBBED! You seem like a good "Dude" but you are shark bait.
Sorry, in spite of myself cant help posting "one last time"

Didnt even tell you guys that I said hi to the police there, maybe they were too stunned to rob me.

And that robbery will be perhaps the best memory of the trip. I am an unapologetic sex addict, adventure junky, and grade A sap.

Peace out, when and if I move to Juarez, be looking for my sob story here about the woman I tried to bring out of the biz, set up with a place - as my panocha of course, only to have her and the cops rob me of money.....LOL...who am I kidding that will definitly happen :-)

You should see the dumb shit I've done in Baltimore.....

Dickhead
02-17-03, 06:58
Originally posted by jdindc9
I am an unapologetic sex addict, adventure junky, and grade A sap.


Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

DreamingEagle
02-18-03, 07:50
It's about time someone walked in and stirred the Juarez section of WSG up real good, and J's posts sure did that, didn't they?

$100 tips! My god, my reaction wasn't that it ruins it for the rest of us, because those girls *know* that's unusual. My concern was that word like that spreads like wildfire, and if this gentleman had stayed much longer I'm pretty sure a bad situation would have caught up with him.

What I liked about the posts was that at least this guy has a little compassion in his soul, and he's damn sure got some huevos plunging headlong into his "adventure" in the way he did.

You guys who are trying to tell him about some of the club owners down there was right on, though. They sure don't seem to share that sense of compassion for their ladies...

All of you know I am not a fan of the zona, but not everyone down there is bad. Martin, the guide at The Pink Lady, is as nice a guy as you could care to meet. Nor have I ever heard of anyone actually getting killed down there.

It's just the drug connection with the girls on the street which keeps me from using their services. They are also like stray cats, like the one that showed up at my house last weekend because she remembered where I live.

I sure enjoyed these posts, though...

DreamingEagle
02-18-03, 07:54
*** COUPON - MASAJE MARILYN *****

Well, guys, here you go! Masaje Marilyn is now offering a $25 coupon. Could be I have started something here. They are located on Del Ejido off Lopez Mateos one block west of Montes de Oca, and the owner, Sergio, is one of the best people I've met in Juarez. He tries to get his girls to avail themselves of educational opportunities and helps them better their lives when he can. Definitely one of my favorite places...

Write me at elk_dreamer@hotmail.com if you want the coupon.

I am also going to leave a stack of both coupons with Ephrein at the Hotel VM for you guys who stay there...

DreamingEagle
02-18-03, 08:14
I don't know, maybe walking about in danger is some guys' idea of fun, and I can actually understand that---but...

Here's a different picture. Saturday started with me heading to Marilyn's to get the owner started developing web pages. We talked a good while, and he offered the $25 coupon and was nice enough to help me understand the confusion list of required documents I have from the immigration office for my FM3 visa.

Took one of his girls into the room and started with her real slow. An Ana Gabriel CD was playing which I really liked. The girl's only 19, and I learned from my first experience with her that if you don't talk to her a lot and warm her up real slow, she clams up, gives you that little frozen smile while you are having sex, and you can't even finish if you enjoy giving women pleasure as well as yourself. Finally learned what she likes, and she's a different girl totally---a real GFE. Promised to buy her the CD we were listening to. Asked her if she had any orgasms, and she smiled shyly and admitted she had. Nice feeling.

Saturday went to see a favorita at Brendas. Once again a short but nice conversation and then great sex. I used some kind of condom with de-sensitizing cream in it I had gotten for free, and it works so well it went on forever---four different positions with no loss of interest on my part. Asked her if she had orgasms. Not shyly she shook her head and held up all five fingers, which made me laugh. "I always do. You don't know?" "How can I know? You are one of those girls who takes it quietly," I told her. "Here, yes. In casa, no!" she replied. "Maybe I will take you to dinner one night, then to my house," I told her. "You say that, but I don't think you are serious," she said, and she's right.

Just so much easier to get it in the MPs and have my evenings to write...

Sunday was nice. Did a couple of restaurants for the Juarez Tour Guide and realized I wanted to get drunk that night. So I did.

Monday was heavenly. Returned to Corpus with photographs I had taken of the girls printed on glossy paper---not sexual photos, the kind they can put in a frame and give to someone. The owner offered me money to pay for her's, but I was not about to take any. This place is almost like being at home now, and I love sitting on the couch talking to the girls. Sometimes I just drop by to say hello.

But not Monday. I had another go with a lovely young girl I've had once before. She is definitely some of god's finest work. This time I just let her ride and ride and ride. She's slow to warm up, too, but once she gets going get ready for a tempest. Didn't have to ask if she got off...

I guess I just don't see why going to el centro and paying twice at much for the same thing can compare.

I still keep telling myself I'm going back downtown to look up Celeste, Patty, and Monse, though---and one day I will.

DreamingEagle
02-18-03, 15:59
My point in the last post, I guess, is that you can have all the pretty girls and hot sex you want in Juarez without any of the nonsense going on in the zona even being part of your consciousness. (It will certainly never be part of mine again.) You just have to spend a little more time getting to know the place.

Just my personal opinion, but especially if you are considering living in Mexico full time associating yourself with that scene labels you very negatively in a way you will never be able to undo. Juarez is a city of 2 million people, but, whether you believe me or not, one surprising aspect of the city is that it's really more of a small town in terms of who knows who and what they are all about...

Jdindc9
02-18-03, 17:46
Points all well taken from the more experienced posters here. The money problem was not my "concious" - hell I was there to pick up sws - but that I went with a "I'm going to Vegas attitude." Other newbies should realize I was lucky, and that this attitude could get you in trouble...or worse...I was just lucky.

At least the money didnt go to the parasitic cabbies or the Pink Lady!

Dickhead
02-18-03, 18:40
OK dude, and one more piece of advice: If you are seriously thinking of relocating to Mexico, forget the border towns. They are OK but before you make that commitment, check out San Miguel de Allende, San Luis Potosí, and Morélia. Or, if you like beaches (I see you live in a coastal area albeit a really, really shitty one), check out Puerto Vallarta. Basically my objection to the border towns is there is too much hard drugs (a little reefer is fine by me) and too many other gringos.

BorderJumper
02-20-03, 04:57
originally posted by bbond
my "friend" chito. what a guy. if you want anything while in juarez, anything, see chito. he will set you up with someone that can help you. want an **** girl, chito can help, drugs, see chito, what a guy.


(chito owner of laura's)
sounds like we're on the same bage dude. remember jdndc9, we've also had this discussion. watch your ass man!

slander or libel has to be the perveyance of an untruth. words spoken about chito, neto and rcardo are verdad puro!!! we've all learned the hard way!

would i do it again? fuckin a i would!!!

Jdindc9
02-20-03, 17:49
Okay, something constructive for me, and other newbies. So we dont go down to Juarez looking like Harry in the movie Dumb and Dumber.

Please give: bad,avg,good,realgood amounts to give for a tip (assuming the person is in Juarez for awhile and not just blowing in for a weekend)

example: $1,$2,$3,$25

food in restraunt a beer in bar
someone to lead you around for a couple hours
sex in a club (like Panama)
sex from a sw
a mp
someone who is your "favorita"

Appreciate answers, thanks.

Dickhead
02-20-03, 19:44
Tipping is an American thing. Europeans, South Americans, and ESPECIALLY Aussies and Kiwis hate the constant need to tip that has pervaded the US. Mexicans would tip a cab driver zero and a bartender zero. It is somewhat customary but still totally optional to leave the small change at a restaurant, i.e., if the bill were 48 pesos they would probably leave the 2 pesos of change from the 50. I will not comment on club prices as I have not been to Juarez in a while, but I often approach hookers by saying look I will give you 350 pesos (this price is just an example for illustrative purposes) for an hour and a half, totally naked, with French and then sex (specify what positions if possible) and if you can make me come twice (or if you let me finish in your mouth, or whatever) I will give you 500 pesos. Over and above this the tip should definitely be ZERO. You must stay in control of the money relationship or you will lose respect.

You have to be VERY specific about what will or will not be allowed, including total nudity. Somewhere in one of the Mexico sections, can't remember which one, is a link to a website that explains what words to use for different sex acts and positions. It also has some good general cultural advice on dealing with the girls.

As far as a guide to show you around, that is what this board is for but just as a frame of reference the minimum wage in Mexico (it may vary somewhat from state to state; I'm not sure) is 50 pesos for a 10 hour day. That's right; laborers, cooks, and the like make less than $5 per day. Not per hour, per day. On the one hand that may make you feel you should give large tips but on the other hand you should be aware that $10 US is a lot of money to a Mexican. What many Americans fail to realize is that they are tipping the people who need it LESS; i.e., the hookers and others who work in the clubs are already making more than the average person. If you want to make someone happy and allow them to say bring home an extra piece of meat for the family, ask to visit the kitchen and tip the cooks. Ten pesos will brighten their day. Or find the laundry room at your hotel and give some of those hard working folks a few stray pesos.

You should never use dollars in Mexico as either a basis for negotiation or a method of payment. Obtain and use pesos. You will get a better deal, often a much better deal. And remember to keep your voice low and soft at all times.

This is my take on the situation. I have been visting Mexico since I was a little kid and I love her dearly. Learn some Mexican history, too. The story of the Nin~os Heroes is a good place to start.

BorderJumper
02-20-03, 22:44
food in restraunt
Good Service, Food, 12-15% of Tab

a beer in bar $1.00 every other beer. Let em know you're aware of the "quarter scam"

Tour guide Depends on time spent...5-20.00

Sex in a club (like Panama) 0-$20.00 your call

sex from a sw $5.00 max if you think she earned it!
a mp $5-10.00 Don't want to drive up prices

someone who is your "favorita" Depends on the relationship or lack therof. Use your judgement and make her aware that it is because she is "special"!

DreamingEagle
02-21-03, 04:47
Regarding tipping, listen to BorderJumper, because he has it just right.

The idea that Mexican people do not tip is simply not true. Go some buy some groceries in Hipermart or Futurama and notice that almost every person gives the little kid sacking the groceries 2 pesos. Most people also tip the parqueros about the same when they come back to their car. Most people tip the girl who brings them a beer in a bar about 50 cents every one or two beers. Regarding working girls, my next door neighbor worked in both MPs and for the night service and preferred Mexican customers because they tipped better on average.

Both BorderJumper and I have actually lived in the city rather than just visited and have had the opportunity to learn how people really think and behave. A good rule of thumb is to tip about the same way you would here in restaurants and bars, 10% if the service was so so, a little more if it was good, or nothing if they ignored you. Any girl in the MP or the ***** bar will be pleased with a $5 tip.

Nor do you have to go through all that song and dance about being sure everyone understands there will be no clothes on, that she will suck you, and exactly what positions you will fuck in. I guess if you want something like coming in her mouth, you'd better discuss that. But in general a ***** is just a woman. My advice is stay in decent shape, treat her right, get her hot, and set her hair on fire when you fuck her. She'll perform...:)

DreamingEagle
02-21-03, 05:00
Also, if we are talking street girls, I double-dog guarantee you any of those girls you paid for so exhorbantly will go for $10! Shocking statement I know, but all you have to do is keep pointing up the street and telling her you know another girl who will go for $10. $10 is the going price for a local client, and she will give you the same deal if it gets to the point of you walking away. They will even get in the car with you and go to your house or hotel for $10. I know because I had an older neighbor who was a cheapskate and watched him do it---not once either...

When I used them I always paid them $20 just out of kindness, and nor do you have to entice them to hang around if they like you. When I was bringing them home many a girl has wanted to nap a couple of hours, then give me some more pussy when they wake up. (Remember, they are druggies and usually stay up all night partying.) They are also kind of like stray cats who will even remember where you live and show up witnout an invitation one day.

I've run them all off and won't have anything to do with them now, because I finally learned I was not doing anything good for my reputation among the neighbors by being associated with them. I had more than enough respect to take the hit, but---this to the guy who was thinking about moving here---when you associate yourself with the red light district in el centro you are stigmatizing yourself as a person of poor taste and questionable character. Fair or unfair, that's the way it is...

If you move to Juarez my advice is seek out a good neighborhood and make *real* friends, just like you would anywhere else, and, trust me, the nice people in the city don't want to see a bunch of drug addicts coming and going from your place. Who would?

Jdindc9
02-21-03, 05:57
Oh Jesus Christ. Do you guys have any idea what a nimrod I was?

You know, in DC, my favorite strip club, I thought nothing of my drink: $5, a girl's drink $17 dollars + tips expected for her to hang out with you (if your into that sort of thing - sometimes just nice to hang out). I could easily blow a couple benjamins in a night.

I *really* hope they forgot me, cause I'm moving there tommorrow! Going there to visit, reminded me how much I loved the area (my teenage years were in El Paso). Guess I have some serious cultural adjustment to do, but I'm going to learn the culture, the language, and work part-time on a volunteer basis in a clinic there, and of course chase skirts.

Be posting in the future from a cyber-cafe.

DreamingEagle
02-21-03, 06:14
We've all been there before Latin America.

In Dallas, I had two mistresses I put through college. The first one cost me $1,200 a month, and I probably spent $2,000 a month on the second one.

8 days in San Jose, Costa Rica, opened my eyes.

Didn't take long to formulate the plan to move to El Paso to be near Juarez, because it's the only Mexican city on the border near a U.S. city large enough to support a person in high tech except for the TJ/San Diego area, and I'm not moving to CA.

Come on down. You'll never regret it.

Dougie
02-22-03, 00:18
Originally posted by jdindc9
Oh Jesus Christ. Do you guys have any idea what a nimrod I was?

Well, you were wearing a sandwich sign that said "Nimrod" on it. At least you were a lucky nimrod. Good bet that the next time you visit you will be just one in a endless string of nimrod gringos who have long since been forgotton. And that is a good thing.

Dickhead
02-22-03, 08:02
"JD in DC" invited me to see some of the stupid shit he's done in Baltimore so I checked it out and it appears he has a wife and kids he will be leaving behind in his move to Juarez. I don't know if that fits in with DreamingEagle's view of him as a compassionate guy.

BorderJumper
02-22-03, 20:14
Originally posted by Dickhead
" wife and kids he will be leaving behind in his move to Juarez. I don't know if that fits in with DreamingEagle's view of him as a compassionate guy.

I tend to agree with your assessment Dickhead as I too have had soem personal correspondence with him which will remain personal.

We all have to earn from our mistakes which are usually extrememly costly. I gave up a good life, although not a wife or kids to move to Juarez which lasted about a year at the end of which I took a major fucking from a bich. but not to be discouraged, I moved 600 miles east and am enjoying an idyllic life with a wonderful woman. Got to take our knocks and go on with life. So perhaps he will have to learn the hard way. I feel compassion for his little Brazilian wife and kid he'll be leaving.

Dickhead
02-22-03, 20:36
Originally posted by borderjumper
I moved 600 miles east and am enjoying an idyllic life with a wonderful woman.

i.e., Nuevo Laredo?

BorderJumper
02-23-03, 02:00
Originally posted by Dickhead
i.e., Nuevo Laredo?

Exactly!!! With no regret whatsoever!

Crespo
02-24-03, 06:44
Well, it seems that jdindc9 is becoming too much fodder for attack:

Let's try to keep the forum civil and avoid such flame-like messages: remember the DE/BJ flame war from a few months ago.

Also, so what if he paid $100 for tips? I'm sure the girls realize he's a blue moon with respect to the rest. Unless El Paso turns really high tech, I don't think we have to worry about people doing that on a regular basis.

Crespo
02-24-03, 07:15
Does anyone have any good recommendations for MPs or clubs that consistently have babes (e.g., busty, not fat, and attractive)? Note that the 'busty but not fat' part is important. Apparently, I'm not as attracted to petite as I thought I was. Otherwise, I might be married by now. :)

I guess I'm very picky but I often have trouble in both types of places looking just for babes. As mentioned before, this was not a problem at Nuevo Laredo, although you would have to pay about $70 for it (but well worth it in my opinion).

Note that for those who like petite, Brenda's had two attractive girls that were quite friendly and into the message and sex. I got the 2x deal last month on a Friday around 6pm. Unfortunately, the paxil got in the way, so I headed over to Amadeus to hang out for a bit.

Amadeus was much better than my first visit (the lingerie show), but it still has some room for improvement. There were definitely babes there, but I didn't feel like spending well over $100 to get their service. I'll probably head back again when there's a good movie at the theatre across the street but just for site seeing, because I'm a "codo" (i.e., cheapskate, which I learned at a Mexico City club last week).

By the way, compared to Mexico City, we have it great here with respect to MP's. There seems to be a crackdown on them down there right now.

DreamingEagle
02-24-03, 08:14
Well, at least JD shook up this discussion...:)

He is undergoing what I have come to describe as "the ping factor". Suddenly, after one trip to about anywhere in Latin America a man realizes that hot young pussy is really the key to happiness in life. I have seen them walk out of high level corporate positions, call the stock broker with huge Sell orders, and move to Costa Rica. When a wife and children are involved it can be a delicate matter.

I just hope JD gives up that silly idea of moving into the Zona, because he has no idea of how depraved that part of the world really is yet. Better to get an apartment in a nice neighborhood, do your mongering in secret, and get established as a good neighbor.

I myself have come to a crossroads. The JTG site has assumed an importance I never dreampt of when I published it in January. Next week the manager of the Juarez Market will be presenting my card to the city council. This development was unexpected and means the Men's Guide can never exist. One cannot be publishing good press about the city on one hand and bad press (in their view, i.e., prostitution) about the city on the other.

I will share with you guys something interesting I have learned about Juarez in the past two and a half years. It is a large city of 2 million people, and yet it is also like a small city of 70,000 people in how fast news travels and in how you keep running across people you know in the most unlikely places. I have counseled by some very well placed people that the Men's Guide is a very bad idea for my reputation---including one MP owner. So it dies here and now.

Regarding my disagreements with BorderJumper in the past, his negative posts about Juarez came at a time when he was in an incredible state of agony over a bad marriage here at a time when I was finding a second youth in Juarez and very defensive of it. But I can tell you right now the man has a lot of knowledge about Mexico and has his heart in the right place regarding the Mexican people. We can all learn from him, and I never disrespected him on a personal basis. Nor do I think he disrespects me for defending the city.

We all tend to fire off a post when we read something that pisses us off without really thinking. You push "Submit Message", and it's out there for you to live with later. I have made this mistake many times and hope that I have (finally) learned to just cool my jets and respond later when I can do so in a civil manner.

After all, we are all on an adventure here. Whether it's our first time and we lavish $100 tips on crack *****s or whether we have been going a long time, Mexico never fails to surprise us now and then, and each person's report adds to the whole---more steps on the El Camino Real from the long parade of ants climbing up the sugar jar. I enjoy them all.

ElPasoGentleman
02-24-03, 09:11
DE, that's a bummer about the demise of your website. A real bummer. Can't you add another section that might illustrate some of the better religious institutions in the city? Hey, I'm joking but I just have to think there is some way around it. I can see something like that happening in Puritanical U.S. - but in Mexico? I thought things were viewed there differently in regard to prostitution. Don't give up on it. There's many fine gentlemen that have a need for your info.

On another note, I've been solidly attached now for about seven months with a sweet young gal in Juarez. I see her weekly and, then, we don't always have much privacy because of the ninas around. I'm so horny all the time and really feel like having a sexual fling even though I've never had a love like I'm receiving now. Might I be dancing with fire if I restart several physical relationships with someone else? I'm not sure this cultural thing in the U.S. (the double standard) applys to Mexico. I can cool my jets if need be and I probably will - but I sure fantasize about a few more relationships.

Crespo
02-24-03, 12:18
ElPasoGentleman, from my experience dating Mexican women and those of Mexican descent, it seems that they are very loyal and become closely attached to you. Therefore, they might take it very badly if you did this early in the relationship. Perhaps later, when they are your established spouse, they will overlook occasional infidelities.

However, if you are willing to let her do the equivalent (i.e., go back to being a working girl), then perhaps it might work out. I don't know this aspect from experience, so it is just a guess.

Crespo
02-24-03, 12:49
Survey says ...

I'm curious as to how many of our fellow mongers have been hassled by the police in the zona. I have been there at least 12 times (mostly at night) and haven't had any problems.

Therefore, please respond with the number of times you have been mongering in the zona roja and the number of times the police have stopped you.

Also, if you can provide particulars on what you where doing when they stopped you, that might be useful for detecting patterns. I suspect that they won't stop you out of the blue unless they have some excuse for questioning you

Crespo
02-24-03, 13:00
Área peligrosa: Yesterday's El Diario contains a chilling reminder of just how dangerous El Centro can be. It contains a map showing the location where nine of the women who disappeared were last seen. This is in a small section of El Centro just about 1/2 mile southeast of the zona!

Border Rat
02-25-03, 01:18
Guess I can contribute a little here about police harrassment. Been to Juarez probably over 200 times in the last 5 years and have been stopped 4 or 5 times by the transitos. Each time stopped, I had a backpack with me. Never stopped when not carrying the backpack. They were always friendly because I speak Spanish well and never gave me a hard time. Just be nice, and if you are not doing anything illegal, you will be alright.

Regarding the missing girls last seen near the zona, there is a reason for that. The buses pick up and transfer just down the street. Almost all of the missing ones were maquila workers who took the bus. Was not a bus driver arrested a few years ago and falsely blamed for those murders? Remember something about that. Who knows? But if you are just mongering, not into drugs, and mind your own business, you can have the time of your life down there.

DreamingEagle
02-25-03, 08:02
Be nice and keep your cool is the right advice. So is not being drunk and definitely not having any drugs on you. Anyone who goes down there often enough is going to get checked out. Messing with the street girls can get police attention. Do not let one get in the car with you unless you have personally gone through her clothes for drugs and a crack pipe, because just like here you are responsible for what's in the car you are driving, whether you own it or not.

I've been down there about 40 times, since that's about the only places I knew to go the first year here. I've had two shakedowns (one because I made the mistake of giving a drug dealer two minutes of my time trying to get rid of him and the second time because of a street girl), and I have been stopped twice without incident, once for going down a wrong way street and once because my dealer's tags were in the rear window and not clearly visible.

I know lots of you guys like it, but I never go any more in favor of the MPs, where there is never any trouble with anyone. The whole place gives me the creeps even in the daytime. The minute I have to go near the municipal gym for some reason I can feel the little hairs on the back of my neck on red alert.

Still, I know it's not all *that* dangerous. If you enjoy it just don't get too drunk, watch your back, and have fun.

Crespo
02-26-03, 09:43
I checked out the new MP called Cleopatra yesterday. It is located on Mejia about halfway between Juarez and the railroad tracks. The place is small and spartan, but the owner said he hopes to soon rent a larger spot next door. See below for the address and phone, along with their leaflet information in both Spanish and English (typos preserved).

I was there about 6pm so the selection was minimal. There was just one girl available with two others busy. She was pretty and quite busty but somewhat overweight. She has blondish brown hair, which is not common for Mexicans, in case this type works for you (I prefer thinner ones). Anyway, the message was substandard, but the sex was OK, except that there was a hygiene issue that caused me to loose interest.

Although this particular MP needs some improvement before I would visit it regularly, I take it as a positive sign that there is one convenient to the Sante Fe bridge, because sometimes I don't like to drive across.

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Masajes Cleopatra

Cansado, desvelado, o estrasado
Suficiente razon para venir a relajarte
Con las mas bellas y sexis masajistas,
Ven y no te arrepentiras.

Visitanos en:

140 Ignacio Mejia y Ave. Juarex

Telefonos:
(044656) 550-55-48

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Masajes Cleopatra

Tired sleepless and stressed,
One more reason to come to relaz with
One or our sexy masseuse
Come and you will leave with a smile

Visit us at:

140 Ignacio Mejia Coner Ave. Juarex

Phone:
(0115216) 550-55-48

Crespo
02-26-03, 10:14
I also checked out the new Pink Lady yesterday, although I didn't participate in any mongering. I arrived there before 7pm mainly for the purpose of finding the place before it got dark outside. There were quite a few women there but none of them really interested me. Most were older (30+) and had extra baggage. I was being picky though, as there were at least four passable women (depending on the number of shots of tequilla you had).

The new place is easier to get to than the other and in what seems to be a much safer location (e.g., much better lit). Inside the bar is spiffier (as noted previously by DreamingEagle), although it seems to have lost a little bit of its "charm". I didn't check out the bedrooms.

The address and phone from their calendar card follows:

Pink Ladies
Manager Irma 612-7485
Sevicio de Valet Parking
Altamirano No. 825 Sur

Note that the other side of the calendar has a naked hot babe, the likes of which you won't find in the bar :)

Anyway, The Pink Lady is located 8 blocks up from Deiz y Seiz de Septiembre on Altamirano, between Joaquin Terrazas and Maurico Corredor. Altamirano is 6 blocks past the cathedral going west (with a hotel on the corner). Going south on Altamirano (away from the hotel), you pass a supermarket and then a Pemex gas station, both on your right. The Pink Lady is two or so blocks up from the Pemex and is also on the right. There are two red lights outside announcing what to expect inside.

Regarding a previous post about this making it harder for people to get to. I think it is actually easier, although of course a little farther (and isolated from the other bars, which can be a drawback if the pickings are slim). It is very simple to get to since you don't have to deal with the maze of streets in the zona. Also, as mentioned above, it seems much safer. I was always apprehensive of going to the old place because the route was quite dark. With the new place, you just take Juarez, Deiz y Seis, and then Altamirano (which is fairly well lit south of Deiz y Seis).

DreamingEagle
02-27-03, 04:55
Originally posted by crespo
The address and phone from their calendar card follows:

Pink Ladies
Manager Irma 612-7485
Sevicio de Valet Parking
Altamirano No. 825 Sur

Note that the other side of the calendar has a naked hot babe, the likes of which you won't find in the bar :)

Anyway, The Pink Lady is located 8 blocks up from Deiz y Seiz de Septiembre on Altamirano, between Joaquin Terrazas and Maurico Corredor. Altamirano is 6 blocks past the cathedral going west (with a hotel on the corner). Going south on Altamirano (away from the hotel), you pass a supermarket and then a Pemex gas station, both on your right. The Pink Lady is two or so blocks up from the Pemex and is also on the right. There are two red lights outside announcing what to expect inside.

Regarding a previous post about this making it harder for people to get to. I think it is actually easier, although of course a little farther (and isolated from the other bars, which can be a drawback if the pickings are slim). It is very simple to get to since you don't have to deal with the maze of streets in the zona. Also, as mentioned above, it seems much safer. I was always apprehensive of going to the old place because the route was quite dark. With the new place, you just take Juarez, Deiz y Seis, and then Altamirano (which is fairly well lit south of Deiz y Seis).

Thanks for the very scientific post and the directions...we can refer to it any time anyone asks how to get there.

DreamingEagle
02-27-03, 04:57
*** COUPONS ***

I've sent out about 30 now. Anyone had time to use one?

Crespo
03-12-03, 09:19
Does anyone have experience with MP's near the Zaragosa bridge. I see in yesterday's El Diario that a place called Venecia is now advertising. See the ad below. It is located at Waterfill and Ramon Rayon, which seems to be by the Zaragosa bridge based on some web searches.

Apparently The Joker is also in that part of town. I hear it has a strip bar downstairs and a brothel upstairs. Does anyone have any experience there?

Crespo
__________________________________________________

Venencia

Ven y conoce nuestra lujosisma sala con las mejores chicas a tu disposicion

Visitamos...!

10 chicas disponibles

abierto de lunes a domingo

telefono:
682-41-40

Waterfill y Roman Rayon
entre Bar El Pueblo Y Bancomer

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my translation:

Come and get to know our luxiourous room with the best girls at your disposal.

Visit us ...!

10 girls available

open Monday to Sunday

telephone:
682-41-40

Waterfill and Roman Rayon
between Bar El Pueblo and Bancomer
__________________________________________________

p.s., DE, I'm still holding onto my coupons. I just visit Juarez monthly so I have limited opportunities to use them. Thanks.

DreamingEagle
03-12-03, 15:51
Originally posted by crespo
Does anyone have experience with MP's near the Zaragosa bridge. I see in yesterday's El Diario that a place called Venecia is now advertising. See the ad below. It is located at Waterfill and Ramon Rayon, which seems to be by the Zaragosa bridge based on some web searches.

Apparently The Joker is also in that part of town. I hear it has a strip bar downstairs and a brothel upstairs. Does anyone have any experience there?

Crespo

I never get out to Zaragosa, Crespo; it should be a long way to go for only two places when there are so many places just east of downtown and near the free bridge. Hopefully, someone will check it out for us.

BorderJumper
03-14-03, 04:38
Crespo;
Joker is a strip club only but they have some of the most beautiful women in Juarez working there. The girls dance in costume; nurse, schoolgirl, secretary, etc and strip down to varyin degrees from bra and pantes to full nudity. To my knowledge and unless it's changed in the past year or so, here is no rooms at the facility. It is located on the upper floor of a buildng so there is no "upstairs"! The crowd is mainly Mexican and locals. The two times I was there, me and my buddies were the only gringos around but we got treated very well by everyone. Drinks are average and girls drinks run about $4.00 I seem to recall. Never tried to take anyone out of there but for the right price, it probably could be accomplished.

Kdog
03-15-03, 04:40
I agree with borderjumper's assessment of the Joker. Very fun place. I hate the Juarez border area. I've tried all the usual places many times and I never have as much fun as I do at clubs away from the border like the Joker. You can take most women back to your hotel for the right price and at the right time (closing time, but I forget when that is at the Joker). Also, knowing that the women who work at the Joker are not regular hookers makes it more interesting for me. Plus, they're definitely more attractive that at the border clubs.

DreamingEagle
03-17-03, 07:00
Originally posted by kdog
I agree with borderjumper's assessment of the Joker. Very fun place. I hate the Juarez border area. I've tried all the usual places many times and I never have as much fun as I do at clubs away from the border like the Joker. You can take most women back to your hotel for the right price and at the right time (closing time, but I forget when that is at the Joker). Also, knowing that the women who work at the Joker are not regular hookers makes it more interesting for me. Plus, they're definitely more attractive that at the border clubs.

In a way, this kinds of gets to the whole problem of giving advice about how to have a good time in Cuidad Juarez. You have to get off of the beaten path of the ***** bars in el centro, and, yet, most of the guys on the forums are coming for their first time or once or twice a year and just don't have the time or the information they need to find the real treasures here.

I like the MPs, for instance. I know where they are, who's working when, and so I have a GFE about 100% of the time, and I really think the girls I'm with are on par with any in the world in terms of looks, cleanliness, and just being great girls as people. But I can leave the apartment at 1 in the afternoon and drive to 3-4 MPs before I find that perfect girl for me that day, because you are mostly confronted with a bunch of fat bodies either in the MPs or the ***** bars.

The little 1-2 hour expeditions I go on every weekend in my car would cost a fortune in a taxi even if you knew where to go. I could even call in advance since I have the phone numbers and speak enough Spanish to make sure some girl is working that day, but even that won't work for someone on a weekend vacation, because they would not know who to ask for even if they spoke Spanish.

So, really, you have to send them downtown to Casa Colorado, Club Panama, or the Pink Lady to have a half-ass chance of them having a good time. They are going to pay twice what they would in an MP, but there are enough girls working most nights a guy is likely to find one that really rings his bell. And $50-60 for some hot, young pussy in a safe place still beats the hell out of anything offered in the United States in terms of escort services. In fact, it's a bargain...

Yet el centro really sucks compared to the treasures to be found elsewhere in the city. You're safe in the ***** bars, but, god, the human trash you have to wade through to get there. The whole red light district is a haven for drug addicted street walkers and transvestites after dark. Not much better in the day time.

And this is the impression guys take away from the city because it's all they ever see...

Such a shame.

The only way to crack the nut in Juarez is with time and familiarity...I highly recommend moving to El Paso or Las Cruces, New Mexico. It's well worth it...:)

SeattleGym
03-19-03, 18:49
Hello All,

I have a few questions...

I'm looking forward to a business trip to Juarez in the next couple of months (May or June), and thought I would start doing some research now :)

Having gone back several months in the forum (reading everything) I'm torn between wanting to go to a bar & hang out (drink) and just going to a MP. What would be the top 5 bars that a newbie should visit & top MP's. I realize that I would be paying $40-$60 in the bars, and $20-$40 in the MP (keep in mind that my prefrence would be slender ladies, not butt ugly, breast size not an issue just be firm, and youth a +). Frankly after spending quite a bit of time (as a hobbyist) in Strip Clubs, I have found I almost enjoy the drinking of a beer and talking to a girl as much as the other acts themselves... (OK, the knowledge that I will be * this girl is a great aphrodisiac). My breadth of knowledge is limited to Vegas & the Great Northwest.

Maps? Maps? Maps? Man would that help to orient myself with all the directions given in posts... Anybody have a link to a map of Juarez... no matter how incomplete.

Hotel Lucerna & Villa Manport are they girl friendly... Can I ask for a girl to be arranged (cost?); can I bring a girl back? How realistic would either of these expectations be? Reading back a ways I ran across Dreaming Eagle’s fantasy of 3 girls coming home ect. Now I have to admit his fantasy is much better than mine, but wondering how realistic it would be to bring a girl (or two?) from the bar ($150 each?) back for the rest of the night (10 pm...).

Taxi from Hotel to Bar... and back again. How hard is it to get a taxi back from the bar scene? I understand if I take a cab that the cabbie is going to hang out until I hookup (so he can get is commish... is that true if I tell him what club I want to go to?) after that is the price going to drop on the girls in the bar?

Sorry for all the rookie questions, but it's been a while since I partook in the hobby, and I have never thought of trying MX. I appreciate the fount of information and experience available in this forum.

~Thanks SeattleGym

WS6
03-19-03, 22:52
Originally posted by crespo
Does anyone have experience with MP's near the Zaragosa bridge. I see in yesterday's El Diario that a place called Venecia is now advertising. See the ad below. It is located at Waterfill and Ramon Rayon, which seems to be by the Zaragosa bridge based on some web searches.I posted a few weeks ago inquiring about Stephanie MP, a place I used to visit a while back in Plaza Waterfill, just over the Z bridge. Well I was in the area last week to visit my old boss at a maquila. Decided to see if Stephanie was still there. It is, but I didn't even go in. Reason: as I drove into the parking lot I saw a few girls walking towards the MP. They were obviously massagistas and were all gorditas.

Bummer. Back then, this MP was always staffed by attractive girls. I think it is under new management, cause they seem to be hiring completely different type girls & not advertising anymore.

I had seen the ad for Venecia, so decided to take the short hop over to check it out. Easy to find. As you go south from the bridge, Waterfill takes a turn to the right; Ramon Rayon Y's off to the southeast. Right as you go right on Waterfill, there is a small shopping center on your right. A small Bancomer there, Venecia is all the way at the end.

Place has big windows up front, like a bakery, except the goodies are different here. You can see the girls sitting watching TV as you drive up. Don't go there if you're shy! I'm not, So I went in and asked for information. 40 bucks (guess they saw my Texas plates!) not all inclusive; your choice of oral or vaginal for the price. Said no thank you, and left. There were 2 girls, about 5-6 on the scale, average build.

Too bad these 2 MP's aren't decent, as easy as they are to get to from the Z bridge.

DreamingEagle
03-21-03, 06:50
"I have a few questions..."

More than a few, but no problem...it's the smart guy who gets the info up front...

"I'm torn between wanting to go to a bar & hang out (drink) and just going to a MP. What would be the top 5 bars that a newbie should visit & top MP's. "

Girl Bars:
Casa Colorado
Pink Lady
Club Panama
Laura's
<don't have a 5th>

MPs:
Marilyn
Corpus
Felina
Brenda
Sirena

(email me at elk_dreamer@hotmail.com) for coupons to Marilyn and Sirena...

"keep in mind that my prefrence would be slender ladies, not butt ugly, breast size not an issue just be firm, and youth a +..."

Better chance on a short visit to hit the bars. However, if you stay at the Hotel VM Sirena is across the street and Brenda, El Encanto, and Venus within walking distance...

"Maps? Maps? Maps? Man would that help to orient myself with all the directions given in posts... Anybody have a link to a map of Juarez... no matter how incomplete."

No one seems to have ever found a decent on-line map to Ciudad Juarez. You can get information here about where to buy one once there:
http://www.juarez-mexico.com/html/city_map.html

"Hotel Lucerna & Villa Manport are they girl friendly... Can I ask for a girl to be arranged (cost?); can I bring a girl back? How realistic would either of these expectations be?"

Once again, check out
http://www.juarez-mexico.com and click on Hotels. I suspect the Lucerna would frown on seeing prostutes cross the lobby...but no one at the Hotel VM is going to stop you if you bring in a parade of girls (or ask for any more money).

"how realistic it would be to bring a girl (or two?) from the bar ($150 each?) back for the rest of the night (10 pm...)"

Very...the time mentioned and the price sound about right, although if I were getting two I would offer $100 each.

"Taxi from Hotel to Bar... "
$5 from Hotel VM

"and back again."
$10

"How hard is it to get a taxi back from the bar scene?"

You'll have to pay someone a buck or two to go find one for you unless you want to walk. The driver will want $10 from downtown.

"I understand if I take a cab that the cabbie is going to hang out until I hookup (so he can get is commish... is that true if I tell him what club I want to go to?) after that is the price going to drop on the girls in the bar?"

DO NOT let a taxista take you to the bar. Just get out near Ave. Juarez and walk. I'm sure you can find directions here.

Westex
03-21-03, 19:31
Wow, DreamingEagle....once again your help is far above and beyond the call. You really SHOULD be getting paid for this.

I'd been planning to use your Sirena's coupon for the last several weeks but stuff kept getting in the way. So I finally went down early Wednesday evening with a friend, parked around the corner...and realized I'd left the damn coupon at home! I was too shy to ask for the discount without it, but wasn't going to waste the trip, so went for an hour session with one of several young ladies there. Pretty good message with somewhat mechanical FS at the end--less than great but worth the time and money (especially since bridge line going back was 6 cars). I'll be sure to try a few of your other suggestions as the weeks go by.

For the map question, you're right about the lack of online help. I picked up the great Mapsco (sp?) Juarez book at the Diamond Shamrock @ Doniphan & Redd Road, per an earlier recommendation here--I'm sure it can be found elsewhere.

And for the earlier questions about the Joker, (1) it's not really near the Zaragosa Bridge, but on Ejercito National across from the Wal-Mart, and (2) I thought all the ladies were very beautiful--best I've ever seen in Juarez--on my only visit there so far (January). Earlier posts claim it's possible to take them away after hours for $150 or so, which I believe, but I unfortunately didn't get that far. next time!

Clomonger
03-22-03, 14:57
SeattleGym, westex: Go to Crespo's posting of 9-19-02...currently on Page 17 of this section. It has links to Juarez maps...a little clumsy to print and tape together, but they are GREAT! Then you can annotate the maps with places of more, um, interest.

I know it's bad practice to tell a taxi driver that you want to go to a specific bar, since they wait around for a commission for bringing the business to the bar.....is that situation also true for taking a taxi to a specific MP? If so, then it's better to just specify some other business or a couple of convenient cross streets to get you to the right area.

DreamingEagle
03-22-03, 18:23
Regarding the taxis, it's mostly the guys down by the bridge on Avenida Juarez who follow you in places. I used to take taxis from the Hotel Villa Manport to Casa Colorado, Felinas, and other MPs all the time, at least once a week for a year. None of those guys ever wanted to go in with me. I've even taken taxis from Ave. Juarez and 16 de Septiembre and around the cathedral. They just take you where you ask to go, and that's it. The guys by the bridge...I actually had one of them go knocking on the doors of the fucking rooms in the ***** bar to find me because the management was telling him I left without a girl...:) These are the taxi drivers I actually know the best, because I didn't care they were scamming me when I first came. (Back when I actually had money...) Even they are not bad guys. Once you become a regular face they drop all the hustle crap and have been a great resource for me getting to know the city. They have also done me a number of favors, just out of friendship. One of them, Coco, is about the best man you could have with you for translations and advice about Juarez. He may just be a taxi driver, but he has a presence and modo de ser people instantly trust and like. But why use them since they do augment their incomes by taking a cut from the *****bars? And, yes, these guys will also go in the MPs with you. Sometimes they will tell the customer it's $100 in the MPs, then after the guy selects his girl, he gives them $30 and pockets the rest. So it's not a bad idea to have a decoy destination. For Sirena's you could say the Hotel VM (across the street), for Venus the Montana Steak House (next door)...but, once again, most of the other drivers don't have a clue about doing this and never try.

I could actually write a couple of pages about the taxistas. The guys at the bridge are pretty much at the top of the food chain and get first hits on the tourists crossing the bridge. The ones at the airport and around the Hotel Lucerna have it good. But if you'll notice the rest of them are stationed at little parks and are glad to just get the $5 for taking you where you need to go. Just always have an exact address or at least intersection coordinates and write them down if you do not speak Spanish. And get the price, up front, before you even get in the car.

Decoy destinations...I'll put that in the Men's Guide, which I am still working on, by the way. Don't be surprised if I change my mind about publishing it.

DreamingEagle
03-22-03, 19:03
Stuck in LC this weekend and was surprised to wake up in my U.S. house, and disappointed. I should be getting dressed and hopping on a bus downtown to have breakfast at El Apitito. Speaking of taxistas, I usually talk one of them into having breakfast with me there because it's right around the corner from the cab stand. If I pay for both, it's only $7 with the tip. If I eat that kind of breakfast here in LC, it's going to be $10 with the tip, for one person.

I always make sure I have $10 stuck back in my wallet in case I make an improper turn or something, with another $5 tucked away in a different place. If I get stopped here in LC, the ticket is going to cost $150 and affect my insurance unless I go to some dumb 6 hour class. We gripe about the morditas, but wouldn't it be nice to give an American cop $10 sometime and watch him disappear in about 10 seconds?

After breakfast I usually take a slow stroll south on Ave. Juarez, stopping to talk with the many merchants who have become friends because of my work on the Juarez Tour Guide. They are good people, some of them extremely intelligent businessmen. The guy you see selling leather goods may also have stores in Houston, Dallas, and L.A. You never know until you take time to talk to them. All of this in Spanish, of course, with all of el centro as a kind of learning lab with a thousand people to practice on. When I speak Spanish in LC the Hispanics can tend to think I am putting them down...so eager they are to be considered just another American.

I love Avenida Juarez on weekend mornings. Sometime keep going until it deadends into V. Guerrero. Here the buses will take you anywhere in the city you wish to go, for 35 cents. In front of you is the De La Paz market. The De La Paz is not a city sanctioned market like Marcado Juarez or Marcado Tipico. Enter the throng, and you will likely be the last gringo you see for a while. If you wander deep into the market you will see prostitutes hanging out in the store fronts with unsmiling faces. Only a little nod will let you know she is game, and some of them are very cute. You will also see produce stands that have things you have never seen before. Many of the businesses on both sides of the open air vendor stands are bars, already in full swing by 10 a.m. There is a bar down there called El Vaquero where long gaggles of girls sit alongside the left wall and dance with you for 50 cents a dance. Can you take them home? Of course, with a little persuasion. Just don't get drunk and get into a horse pissing contest with anyone, because you have strayed way, way off the beaten path, amigo.

Wander back down to 16 de Septiembre. The old red building there has treasures inside. Right now they have one of Francisco Goya's most famous paintings on display, "The Shootings of May 3, 1808", as well as several suits of Spanish body armour in mint condition ('cept for a few dents one can only surmise about), and lots of other cool things. It's free. You can take a look inside the Mission de Guadalupe, the old church beside the Catedral. It was built in the 1500s and has some things in there you won't be able to forget.

At some point, one stretches and realizes it's time for a girl...:)

And you can go get a really beautiful girl for $30. If you are a regular, she smiles brightly, glad to see you---a customer who makes her feel something special if just feeling used, and for the next hour your hands glide along the flowing curves and hallows of one of God's finest sculptures ever, the body of a young woman moving fluidly, her sighs and moans more lovely than any music ever written. It's an hour so densely packed with impressions of soft hair, clean skin, a lovely face in the throes of passion, your own heart beating the way first man's heart must have beaten for first woman---so dense a collage you step out into the bright sunlight later and wonder if it really happened, for such things only happen in fantasies, and we all know fantasies rarely come true.

But they do in Mexico, don't they?

"Spending time with some young señorita,
"In some tall dark shadow she will greet ya'.
"And in her room she's gonna please ya'
"Billy, you're so far away from home."

Yeah, compared to all that, life in <anywhere>, USA is a joke.

We lucky few who know the truth...

DreamingEagle
03-22-03, 19:08
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
If you are a regular, she smiles brightly, glad to see you---a customer who makes her feel something special if just feeling used

Should read:

If you are a regular, she smiles brightly, glad to see you---a customer who makes her feel something special instead of just feeling used.

TRex
03-24-03, 03:57
This is my first post on this board, which I think is one of the best I've seen anywhere on any subject. So, first of all, thanks to all of you who have contributed.

I've lived in Las Cruces for about 16 months, and just recently have discovered the wonders of Juarez. For the past three weeks visited a MP: Selina's the first week and Marilyn's the past two. I'm still astounded that a guy can laid for $25-$45 dollars, after years of spending $150-$200 per visit to the strip clubs for only minimal satisfaction! Anyway, from my perspective, Silena's receives a very high rating for style and cleanliness; Marilyn's a 10 for the quality of chicas.

My advice to any newcomer to this site: read everything Desert Eagle has posted. I've found him to be dead-on in all his directions, advice, and general comments. Taking a bus out to MPs is quite easy (and cheap); and it also gives you a chance to see something of Juarez other than el centro. D.E. is correct that Juarez is not all bad; and about the folks being very friendly. Sergio, the owner of Marilyn's, actually gave me a ride back to the Santa Fe bridge after my first visit! I asked him a question about the busses on my way out, and he immediately offered to show the stop...then he just kept driving and pointing out things to me, until we ended up at the bridge. Yes, Juarez is really growing on me. Maybe if I learn a little more Spanish, I'll also start looking for an apartment there!

DreamingEagle
03-25-03, 05:51
Originally posted by TRex
Sergio, the owner of Marilyn's, actually gave me a ride back to the Santa Fe bridge after my first visit! I asked him a question about the busses on my way out, and he immediately offered to show the stop...then he just kept driving and pointing out things to me, until we ended up at the bridge. Yes, Juarez is really growing on me. Maybe if I learn a little more Spanish, I'll also start looking for an apartment there!

I didn't know much Spanish when you got mine, and my favorite Spanish lesson yet is when the old lady who runs the building gave me one. After bringing up a plastic trash can and a couple of ashtrays trays "por tu casa", she realized I did not know the names of the things in my house. One by one she went through the house patting things like the stove, saying "estufe" and making me repeat it. "Good boy!" she would say when I got it right.

She is approaching 90, has crooked teeth, thick glasses, and wears a work dress and boots all the time, yet at an age when most people are doing well to sit up straight and not drool, Carmalita is up by 7 mopping the halls and has an active life and is well respected in the neighborhood. Her little apartment always seems to have a guest, often me, and is full of little presents people have given her over the years, including me. It's immaculately clean all the time, and if you are not careful you will find yourself at the table with a plate of delicious food in front of you.

Two weeks ago I had the flu and left my digital camera in a white plastic box on the trash can in the garage and drove off and left it. She came along an hour later to feed "Keeko", a stray cat she has take a shine to, saw the box, knew it was mine, and put it in her house. My Olympus C-4000 was still safe. She gets $30 a week and the free apartment for taking care of the building. If she had sold the camera for $400 that would be more money than she sees all year old all in one place at the same time. But it was right there waiting for me, because if there are any bad things in this lady's heart, I have yet to see them.

I think you would find that if you did get an apartment in Mexico it would be one of the most eye-opening experiences of your life. I often get flamed for saying so, but at this point my skin is as tough as a two-hour fire-box. That's what my website, www.juarez-mexico.com is all about---giving these people credit where credit is due. If someone wants to judge all of Juarez by the human trash which haunts el centro, they may, but nothing will stop me from telling the truth. Even people who have actually lived there a long time can see the place through the same jaundiced eye-glasses the whole time they are there and never even glimpse the true treasure of Mexico---the fact that most of these people have big hearts and remain optimistic and honest despite their many hardships. I don't mean to sound overly dramatic, but at this point I feel like a runner from a different world with an urgent message to anyone who will listen that almost everything we have been taught about Mexico is a lie.

What does this have to do with mongering?

If someone has to ask, I could never make my point if I talked all night. So I won't try.

LC ain't that far, and it sure is nice to hang on the weekends instead of having to head back...

ElPasoGentleman
03-25-03, 07:17
Ditto here on DE's message regarding the real heart of these Mexican - Juarenez people.

I've been enjoying a well spring of love from a young chica for nearly 8 months. There is fire everytime we meet - and it flows from the heart. I was gone for two weeks and upon returning to her arms this past Sunday, she left me breathless with her hugs, kisses and sighs of missing me. I reciprocated with many hugs and that in turn released another round of hugs and kisses that didn't stop all day. I've met several of her friends and some of her family. It's been a fantasy come true. Very few of my friends and family really know what treasure I have found. I try to tell them, but this is something you have to experience.

Jdindc9
03-25-03, 20:52
Good for you ElPasoGentleman.

Unfortunately for my chica, shes so strung out on pills, crack, and everything else, there's little room for love - even though I've given her alot.

Mi culpa, por que I missed having a spouse in the bed I rushed into a relationship with a known druggie.

Jdindc9
03-25-03, 21:04
Well dudes,

Here I am, I'm writing from a Juarez internet cafe - the one across from the bull-fighting arena (next to the road with the railroad tracks that runs parallel to Juarez avenue).

If you recall, I was the tourist that dropped lost of cash when I visited.

Been living in BellaVista 2 months now (mas or menos) and I have a love/hate relationship with it.

I'm in a drug haven, and drugs influences pretty much every human relationship here. I'm in a position of power, as I dont do drugs, but I'm too stupid to use that power to manipulate. I do need to continue learning more spanish.

The street girls are fun, lousy lays, but always make for an interesting time. I hooked up with a street girl, been trying to get her off the street, but it didnt work out. These girls first love is drugs and nothing can change that. These girls also equate generosity with weakness.

Did the massage parlor thing, boring. But it is cheap.

Learned that a baby's leche, burritos, and every other item begged for by a street girl costs some $5 or $6 increment (wink, wink, private joke for insiders to BellaVista).

SeattleGym
03-25-03, 21:51
Just a little humor I thought I would share (as I listen to spanish lesson preparing for my Juarez trip).

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Signs your in a Dog Brothel

When you tell the madam you only have fifty bucks, she offers to let you hump her leg.

All the girls wear the same perfume: Calvin Klein's DogButt.

Your date has quite a nice pair. Heck, she has several nice pairs.
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Found the links to the maps of Juarez and have been able to locate a few bars & the hotel VM. Thanks (clomonger) for pointing me to those maps as things make a lot more sense.

As always thanks for the great posts, frankly until I can visit myself (april/june) I have to live vicariously through you all. To jdindc9, good luck.

~SeattleGym (returning Monger in Training)
"Madness takes it's toll. Please have exact change."

Jdindc9
03-25-03, 22:43
Originally posted by DreamingEagle

Two weeks ago I had the flu and left my digital camera in a white plastic box on the trash can in the garage and drove off and left it. She came along an hour later to feed "Keeko", a stray cat she has take a shine to, saw the box, knew it was mine, and put it in her house. My Olympus C-4000 was still safe. She gets $30 a week and the free apartment for taking care of the building. If she had sold the camera for $400 that would be more money than she sees all year old all in one place at the same time. But it was right there waiting for me, because if there are any bad things in this lady's heart, I have yet to see them.

Im sure you dont live in BellaVista!

Jdindc9
03-25-03, 23:03
despite bellavista being a bad area, i really love juarez so far. every day is a new adventure. a new person shows up, the street girls change their allegiance to one another or to one gavacho or another, etc.

my spanish is improving rapidly; but i fear that in the rest of mexico, chingawa, pinche, puta, bendejo, caberone (spelled phonetically) are not used as freely in everyday speech like in bellavista.

my long postings several months before, though true, were somewhat naive. ive lived here 2 months, treat all the girls with respect, and as a result get little to no respect in return. of course, the gavachos here arent much better. they are all (street girl and gavacho) pretty much on drugs. i dont know who i trust less, the gavachos or the streetgirls. ive been conned and stolen from by both. the problem is economic disparity. the only way one with a little money can avoid getting used is to turn your heart to piedra.

i do need to get a job, as being a slacker all day is getting boring. the entertainment doesnt crawl out of their crack dens before 3pm, the gavachos are all truck drivers so they are hit and miss as to if they are around, and so that doesnt leave much to do. anybody know of an it position, let me know, as i have over 8 years experience as a consultant and am now willing to work pretty darn cheap.

bellavista is a fascinating area with a pretty fascinating (though cruel) subculture, and so i am going to have a bestseller someday. ive been getting the gavacho perspective on bellavista. hopefully, once i know better spanish, ill get it from the street girl and bar girl perspective.

Jdindc9
03-25-03, 23:09
Question

There are beautiful women on TV and on the street in El Centro. Surely there must be some higher priced clubs with better looking women then that in BellaVista. Where are they, are they over by the Rio Grande mall or what.

The techno dance club, vertigo, for example, has beautiful women there. If I knew spanish, perhaps I could pick one up. But in the interim, surely there must be a zona in Juarez with women of that quality. I.E. the Juarez equivelent to high priced call girls.

I cant imagine that theres not a higher class redlight district too. And Im not talking about massage parlors.

thanks for any info.

Jdindc9
03-25-03, 23:56
First off, realize if you go with a cab to a bar, they get a pretty big cut. If you get a chance, watch the subtle handshakes between tour guides/ cabbies and the bar owner. There is money being exchanged. My advice, get some viagra (no more then 14 dollars), go to the massage parlor first if you want no hassles, then go to the bars and find some more girls.

If you want to be guided around, then email me at jbindc9 at hotmail.com and I can later hook you up with some reputable gringo border tour guides when you come. Realize, though, that they get a cut so the price is slightly higher. But, take it from me, youll have more fun with a guide. I know americans living down here who do this every day.

At the bars, be prepared to say no. The ugly girls always seem to be the most aggressive. I should have a web site up in a couple weeks, complete with girl profiles, but thats to late for your needs.

As far as maps are concerned, forget about it. BellaVista is a maze until you get used to it.

If you stay at Villa Manport on Panama, you can get away with a 7 cab fare, though, depending on time it should be no higher then 10. They might try to take you through a maze of streets to convince you its far and difficult to get to from BellaVista, but they are full of crap. Its a straight shot down Escobar to bella vista. In fact, you can catch the bus for 4 pesos if your adventurous.

There is a massage parlor directly across from Villa Manport, but I didnt like it when I went.

Dickhead
03-26-03, 02:58
What is so "interesting" about drug addicted women who are lousy lays and rip you off? Who in their right mind would recommend you for a job or take your recommendations about guides? I don't think you are playing with a full deck. You went to CJ, got ripped off, liked it so much you left your wife and kids, and now you are still getting ripped off and ENJOYING it???

Whatever floats your boat, I guess. BTW, what is so "adventurous" about taking a bus?

I have been going to Mexico for over thirty years and people like you give Americans a bad name.

DreamingEagle
03-26-03, 05:30
I have to conclude you have totally lost your mind.

A few impressions from your post: there is nothing "adventuresome" about riding the bus...that implies some kind of danger...one could ride the buses eternally and never be exposed to 1/100 of the danger you have emersed yourself in on a daily/hourly basis...you have not "done the MP thing" if you have only been to one or two...

Well, good luck. You have managed to find the very worst of everything in Juarez.

Bestseller? In my humble opinion no one is going to read the observations of someone so obviosly lacking in judgment---that's if you live long enough to write much.

DreamingEagle
03-26-03, 05:32
Originally posted by Dickhead
people like you give Americans a bad name.

Amen...

DreamingEagle
03-26-03, 05:46
And people wonder why I don't just hop on invitations to "have a beer" with some stranger from the boards who feels some kind of bond because we both like pussy...:)

Nothing personal to anyone here, and anyone with here with any sense will understand why I feel this way. What do I know about anyone who posts on the board? Zip. I'm delighted to impart information here, and I answer a lot of emails as thoroughly as time permits. But if I see you in the city and I don't know you I am highly likely to try and see that you never notice me. I don't go to talk to Americans I don't know, because too often they are either up to no good or have made totally all of the wrong connections with people south of the border.

I wonder if this guy realizes when he gets busted with one of those girls for drugs there won't be any yelling "End Program!" Gee, this was all research for my bestseller. I'm just here to study the behavior of scorpions under stress. Or how's it going to be when one of those addicted pimps busts one of those little plywood doors down in the middle of the night for $10? Think anybody's going to care?

In four years on the monger forums, I confess, I have never enountered anything this loony. And I'm going shut up and get back to work.

Dickhead
03-26-03, 06:02
But if JD doesn't do drugs and is just with a girl who is doing drugs, he can't get in any trouble for that, can he? And if he does they will give him bail and a lawyer, won't they? And he's innocent until proven guilty, right? Plus if he does end up in jail they'll give him clean sheets and a toothbrush and hot showers and three meals a day like in the US jails, won't they? Plus won't the other inmates respect him and protect him because he's American and an IT professional? And if it gets really bad won't the US government intervene on his behalf?

Right??

DreamingEagle
03-26-03, 15:39
Originally posted by Dickhead
But if JD doesn't do drugs and is just with a girl who is doing drugs, he can't get in any trouble for that, can he? And if he does they will give him bail and a lawyer, won't they? And he's innocent until proven guilty, right? Plus if he does end up in jail they'll give him clean sheets and a toothbrush and hot showers and three meals a day like in the US jails, won't they? Plus won't the other inmates respect him and protect him because he's American and an IT professional? And if it gets really bad won't the US government intervene on his behalf?

Right??

Oh, thank you. I needed a great laugh and got one 6:38 a.m. when I read this...

Jdindc9
03-27-03, 18:23
Wow, you guys sure are being buttheads.

First off, I never once said I did drugs.
Second off, I never once said I was on the streets.
Third off, I imagine Im smarter then most of yall.
Fourth off, The woman I hooked up with has a big heart, just a problem.

I do not give americans a bad name, I give them a good name. Unlike most of the other guys here, I am respectful, treat the girls like friends, and do not do use anyone.

Perhaps, if you guys werent such a bunch of what I suspect to be fat old men who want to go with fat old chicas at MPs, or a fat old chica that treats you like a korean mail order bride, you might actually find a good time in Juarez.

Didnt want to give away my identity, so I neglected some details.

Didnt mention that I also went with my girlfriend and a couple of her street friends to see Primavera, Juaguares in concert and take my girlfriend to Vertigo, decent non BellaVista restraunts, etc.

You guys need to get a more open mind about life. And yall can kiss my white behind.

Jdindc9
03-27-03, 18:33
Originally posted by Dickhead
What is so "interesting" about drug addicted women who are lousy lays and rip you off? Who in their right mind would recommend you for a job or take your recommendations about guides?

You got me on the job, but as far as guides are concerned, some people dont get off on fat MP chicas. I know several guides, and they know the area.


I don't think you are playing with a full deck. You went to CJ, got ripped off, liked it so much you left your wife and kids, and now you are still getting ripped off and ENJOYING it???

Youre a dumb ass, the relationship with the wife was over long before the trip to Juarez. I could go back to DC and get almost any girl I wanted. But I wanted to spend a year here. Yes I got ripped off when I was a tourist.

Who is ripping me off now. Perhaps, to a bunch of fat ugly americans who only go to Juarez to f. an MP girl, spending money on my girlfriend like a normal girl is getting ripped off. Guess I should take her to get the 8 peso burrito stand instead of decent restraunts.


Whatever floats your boat, I guess. BTW, what is so "adventurous" about taking a bus?

That was for a newbie dumbass.


I have been going to Mexico for over thirty years and people like you give Americans a bad name.
Been going to mexico for 30 years to do what, screw their women for 30 dollars. Wow, you give americans a really good name. Guess a guy like me who jumps in, is learning spanish at a lightining pace, and treats his girlfriend like a real girl really gives americans a bad name.

If you ever want a good buttkicking, just come to Lauras and ask for the guy from DC. But I suspect your probably too old and decrepit to even get off your barstool.

Jdindc9
03-27-03, 18:41
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
I have to conclude you have totally lost your mind.

A few impressions from your post: there is nothing "adventuresome" about riding the bus...that implies some kind of danger...one could ride the buses eternally and never be exposed to 1/100 of the danger you have emersed yourself in on a daily/hourly basis...you have not "done the MP thing" if you have only been to one or two...

Well, good luck. You have managed to find the very worst of everything in Juarez.

Bestseller? In my humble opinion no one is going to read the observations of someone so obviosly lacking in judgment---that's if you live long enough to write much.

The bus term was for a newbie, goddamn guys, riding a bus in Juarez is adventurous for a newbie. Not for me, but it is for that guy.

I am crazy like a fox. Mark my words guys, BellaVista, both the gavachos and the girls is a fascinating slice of life that you all wish you had one tenth the balls to experience. Sorry to hear this from you too DreamEagle, I actually respected you prior to your joining in the flame.

As for judgement, sometimes you just have to jump feet first. I learn street lessons everyday. And as far as loosing my life, wow, you guys sure dont have a very accurate picture of BellaVista. Dont know of the last time an American was killed there. Taken by the cops for a few bucks, sure, but no killings.

Jdindc9
03-27-03, 18:49
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
I wonder if this guy realizes when he gets busted with one of those girls for drugs there won't be any yelling "End Program!" Gee, this was all research for my bestseller. I'm just here to study the behavior of scorpions under stress. Or how's it going to be when one of those addicted pimps busts one of those little plywood doors down in the middle of the night for $10? Think anybody's going to care?

In four years on the monger forums, I confess, I have never enountered anything this loony. And I'm going shut up and get back to work.
What is so loony about my recent posts. Im living in a wellprotected apartment, treating folks with respect, having a decent time, and actually learning more about the lifestyle here.

I realize BellaVista is a drug subculture and not Mexico.

I have to say, my opinion of americans has lowered dramatically as Ive been living here, prostituting girls for a shower and shampoo, etc. Something I dont do, despite ample opportunity.

As far as pimps are concerned, if you actually took time to know who you f.d for 10 dollars, you would know they dont have real pimps.

I have had sex with one girl since I moved here, my girlfriend, btw.

Hopefully, DreamEagle you will still have that beer with me, as you will find that although somewhat naive, I am much more intelligent then the average american in Juarez or even the average poster to this dumb forum.

Wow, flamed on the World sex guide for living in a prostitution zone.....cant make stuff this crazy up.

Jdindc9
03-27-03, 18:51
Originally posted by Dickhead
But if JD doesn't do drugs and is just with a girl who is doing drugs, he can't get in any trouble for that, can he? And if he does they will give him bail and a lawyer, won't they? And he's innocent until proven guilty, right? Plus if he does end up in jail they'll give him clean sheets and a toothbrush and hot showers and three meals a day like in the US jails, won't they? Plus won't the other inmates respect him and protect him because he's American and an IT professional? And if it gets really bad won't the US government intervene on his behalf?

Right??
Again, if you dumb old men knew a little more then you portend to, you would know that there aint no trouble a couple hundred pesos cant get me out of with the BellaVista cops.

Jdindc9
03-27-03, 19:08
Final post, till I have to defend myself later on.

Sure, at some points, my impending divorce reflected in my posts. But I did not leave a family for a street girl. With my DC income I had options. Moreover, as Im quickly discovering, I have lots of options here (outside of BellaVista). Not being old, fat, and ugly gets you a little mileage.

Examine your motivation for being in Juarez. I could have just as easily gone to Costa Rica and written yet another post about picking up a Columbian in the Blue Marlin.

I am still young, unlike most of you guys I suspect.

For you lurkers, realize, despite dickheads suppossed 30 years of coming down here, he has the typical american disrespect for the very places he frequents (bellavista bars) that I have come to really hate in the americans down here.

So now I realize that I should not post here further, as you guys are a bunch of fat old guys looking for fat old chicas. Its a shame, as I could have added some really good and interesting information over the next 6 months to a year.

Jdindc9
03-27-03, 19:22
i should also clear up what i meant by conned and rip****ff by both. conned, i mean a gavacho offering to take me to a pharmacy he knows about cause hes my friend (he gets a kickback). ripped off, cds and small ticket items disappearing into the ozone from my apartment, that type of petty stuff.

the fact that a guy showed up at lauras with a dreameagle tourguide card last night, shows me that dreameagle is no better then anyone else down here. everyone knows that a tourguide is a semi sleazy profession with the kickbacks and all.

poor guy, actually thought all the gavachos he met were taking him to the other bars because he was their friend. when i hang with him today or tommorrow i will fill him in on juarez and friendly gavachos.

SeattleGym
03-27-03, 21:16
Hello All,

I think that jdindc9 has a different view of Juarez than some of the other members, and it's not something that all of us would want to do in Mexico, or any other city in the US. Far be it for me to judge jdindc9 for any past (or present) relationships.

Frankly, I went through a similar thing 8 years ago at the age of 29. About 3 months after I left I found my ex-wife to be a great friend, and now she is happily re-marriered, but I'm way off subject.

jdindc9 lifestlye may not be for everyone, I'm nervous just thinking about walking from the Cave to Casa Colorado, to the Panama (think they are all whith in a couple of blocks) based I what I have read here. Although I admit that I would be nervous in the poorer, drug ridden parts of most US cities. Again I do appreciate his reports, and wish him luck.

DreamEagle I have much respect for you and your view of the MP's & Juarez. I hope you all continue to post and provide the latest info on both the MP & Bar scene... What about the semi strip clubs... Still way to expensive w/o the payoff?

~SeattleGym {enjoying another overcast spring day}
"Madness takes it's toll. Please have exact change."

DreamingEagle
03-28-03, 00:32
JD, I just don't think you have any idea how much better other places in Juarez are. The girls in the MPs are not all fat, my friend. If you know where and when to go, they are 8's, at least, on anybody's standards.

Not wanting to be live around among drug addicts is just common sense and has nothing to do with juevos, and I believe you thinking 200 pesos will get you out of anything down there is way wrong. To each his own, but, like I said, you've sought out the worst in the city. You can't just show up and figure this place out in two months, even if you spoke fluent Spanish when you got here.

And I have never made a cent off of any of the discount coupons I've sent out on the MPs. One guy says for every 5 customers I get a free massage, but I've never even asked for a status report....and I'm not fat either...:)

So just chill, man. I can't pretend not to think you're nuts for living where you do, and I don't think you're going to find anyone who thinks you're not in danger, whether you can see this or not.

BigBuddy
03-28-03, 03:10
Went to Juarez several weeks ago and followed much of Dreaming Eagles advice. Stayed at the Villa Manport Hotel which is not fancy but clean and safe. Ephrein, the hotel manager, is a very nice guy and if you have any questions he's more than happy to help you out. He did have coupons available for Sirena's Massage. When I went over there no one spoke english so I didn't bother trying to use the coupon. They charged me $45 for an hour. There were 5 or 6 women there and I picked a nice young one. She didn't give a very good massage so I traded places with her and gave her one which was just as much fun. She was unhurried and pretty much let me do whatever I wanted.

After visiting Sirenas I went to the other massage parlor that is a block away on the second floor. They charged $30 for a 1/2 hour. It was rushed but hey, what do you want for $30.

Then I took a cab down to the bar area and walked around for a few hours. Saw a few street girls and have to agree with others they are wretched. I didn't want to fuck them but wanted to take them home like a stray cat and nurse them back to health. Young women shouldn't look like that. Walking around I felt pretty safe. Frankly, some of the fellow mongers I saw in the bars scared me more than the people in the street.

I don't know if you guys remember the big rain storm a few weeks ago but this was the night. In El Paso it rained 1.44 inches and the average yearly rainfall is only .77 of an inch. When it started pouring down rain I ended up in Casa Colorado. There were over 20 women sitting around with the usual mix of lookers and dogs. I wish I spoke Spanish because there were very few mongers around because of the rain. Could of had a blast getting drunk with some of the ladies but not being able to comunicate took the fun out. Had to settle for other types of comunication--breaks my heart.

Picked a cutie who wasn't the best looking one but had a nice smile that was warm and genuine. Got to the room and it was the best paid for sex I ever had. She was all over me like a lost lover just returned from sea. It was like the sex you have with a regular woman after you first meet. I would have paid anything for that. Just goes to show you'll never know where you'll find the best piece of ass. Gave her a $40 tip on the way out and she was totally freaked.

Took a cab back to the Manport and had dinner at El Herradero. Funny how the cab drivers never had change so make sure if you take a cab to have some small bills on you. El Herradero was great. Total cost for a New York strip the size of a plate and two beers was $12 plus tip.

Went to bed a happy man and slept late. Next day headed right to Casa Colarodo to see my chica again. Good thing I don't live in El Paso cause she had me hooked. I was all ready to start getting stupid if you know what I mean. Anyway I get there and they wake her up and she comes downstairs. The old lady sees what's going on and jacks the price on me. I swear, it's like buying a used car. There was no way I was walking away but had to act like I was. Old Lady kept calling me loco. Then after we made our agreement she starts telling me about her stomach troubles and wants to know what to do like I'm a Doctor or something. She didn't look too well and if I had time I would have taken her to one of those clinics just for the hell of it. Anyway, we go upstairs and on our way to the room the door to the room the girls live in was open and I got a peak. There were 4 bunkbeads in one of those little rooms. Never seen women get along so living like that must be hell.

The sex was better than the last time. Rang my bell twice and she was ready for more. When it was time to go I rolled up some money in a $10 bill so she couldn't see how much. Would of loved to have seen her face when she unrolled it. It was less than one of my car payments but probably the biggest tip she ever got. Yes, I know, I'm an idiot and it made me feel like a big man which I know I'm not but I did it anyway. Went back to El Paso, finished my legitimate business and went home.

DreamingEagle
03-28-03, 03:34
Big Buddy, I am always glad when someone enjoys their stay at the Hotel VM, and, you're right, Ephrein is a great person. Next time, however, just whip out that coupon at Sirena's, Spanish or not. I've yet to have anyone write to say they used one, but I'm sure someone would have written to let me know if it was not honored by now. I know for a fact they are being honored at MP Marilyn.

WS6
03-28-03, 04:30
Originally posted by jdindc9

So now I realize that I should not post here further, as you guys are a bunch of fat old guys looking for fat old chicas. Its a shame, as I could have added some really good and interesting information over the next 6 months to a year. I enjoy your posts. DE's are very informative, your's are, if nothing else, entertaining. Ying and Yang. lol. I'd buy your book!

Finally had a dentist appointment, and stopped in at Brenda's. Conveniently located a block from the tooth jockey. Visited with Lluvia (rain). Not fat, but not skinny either. Pleasant, decent massage, ok lay. Hey, for 20 bucks, I was happy. Gave her a tip on my way out (not asked for).

Went back a week later. Marisol. Petite and thin, b cups, average looks. Nice company, decent massage, great sex. She had told me she had two kids, but I was having a tough time getting Senor Ocho to ease in. Then she tells me she had Caesarians. That explained that. After the application of a little oil, things went just fine. An enthusiastic girl. Got a nice tip. Very recommended, if you like them tight.

Heads up: parking out front is at a premium. The second time, two police motorcycles were parked right dead center. Thought I might keep going on down the road, but what the hey, parked down the street and walked back. Was glad to see cops leaving. After I came back out, another pair of cops was parking in the same spot. They walked into the place that sells Aguas (waters). I'm guessing that is the place they all go to wash the dust down.

If you see an open spot dead center in front of the building where Brenda's is located, don't take it!

Crespo
03-28-03, 12:01
Well, jdindc9 certainly seems to have caught the shit!

We should keep the forum open for free enchange rather than jumping on each other's back for making seemingly stupid mistakes. Remember to each his own. I'm sure a novel about El Centro will sell much more than one about the sleepy MP scene, so maybe he is in a better position to tell about the American Dream in Mexico.

By the way, where is Bella Vista?

Crespo
03-28-03, 12:09
So what's the effect on the new Gulf War on the wait for the return back home?

Last time I crossed the border (one month ago), I got stuck with Mr. Gung Ho who searched the car inside and out on the remote chance I was a drug smuggler or something. If you cross the free bridge, he is the guy with the stick that he uses to check your tires and what have you. He even got annoyed at me for putting my hands in my pockets even though it was cold out. My buddy thanked him for being diligent, but I think he goes quite a bit too far.

DreamingEagle
03-28-03, 15:40
Originally posted by crespo
Well, jdindc9 certainly seems to have caught the shit!

We should keep the forum open for free enchange rather than jumping on each other's back for making seemingly stupid mistakes. Remember to each his own. I'm sure a novel about El Centro will sell much more than one about the sleepy MP scene, so maybe he is in a better position to tell about the American Dream in Mexico.

By the way, where is Bella Vista?

I agree and regret expressing my initial "shock and awe" that anyone would want to live among the druggies. But, like you say, to each his own, and what he discovers will definitely be untrod territory...my apologies, JD.

Regarding your other question about the bridge, there has been no change as far as I can see. I got across in 23 minutes last Sunday driving back on the Sante Fe.

TRex
03-30-03, 23:50
Boy, I skip this site for a few days and all hell breaks loose! Well, I have a brief update, a few questions, and a comment (might as well throw in my 2 cents; since this is an "open" forum and all).

I went to Le Petit on Friday, and my experience was mixed. Being a positive person, I'll start with the good. There were three girls working when I showed up, and 2 of them were quite pretty (we're talking the 7-8 range). One was tall, slender, and well endowed; the other was very slim and rather petite. I chose the petite one, mainly because I prefer smaller girls. Well, she is quite a firecraker...very enthusiastic about her work; and she also has a tremendous smile, which she sported frequently. So the sex was well above average.

My only real gripe with the place is the place itself. It is not only slummy looking, but the room I was taken to was just a step up from a closet. Now, I know that I shouldn't expect the Plaza for a $35 lay...but, hey, I'm trained as an architect, and I was a little turned off by the setting. Still, I'll certainly be back sooner or later, once I start thinking the cute little 22-year-old who serviced me there.

Okay, on to my questions. First, I noticed Genesis while walking to Le Petit. Anyone been there lately and care to send in an update? Second, the bus I took on Friday went further to on Hypermart...I remember reading the Loryed's is nearby, and wanted to ask if anyone knew how difficult it be to get there by bus. I suppose getting is there is easy (just catch the bus I was on)...but what about getting back? Are these busses infrequent? Or is it just best to take a cab? And as for Loryed's: any updates about the girls who are working there?

Now, here's my "advice" question. I've been to Marilyn's three times, and I've had the same very good looking girl each time. She is quite sweet and accomodating, but I'd like to try at least one of the other girls there sometime. Would it be "bad form" to select one of the other girls there in front of my regular? I've read some of the earlier posts on this subject, but this is a bit more of a specific question. I really don't want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-off my regular girl--she's just too pretty (I'd rate her a 9)! I know that each person reacts differently to a certain situation; but I'm wondering if there's any sort of "etiquette" in the hobbyist scene. Emily Post, where are you when I need you?!

Finally, my comment. Dreaming Eagle (sorry, I referred to you as Desert Eagle the last time I posted): you are 100% correct about being wary of meeting people from this (or any other internet) site. There are a lot of loonies out there; and we all run into enough of them without having to go courting them. However, I'm sure that the reason why so many people here would like to have a beer with you is because 1) they're thankful for all the knowledge you've shared with them, and they'd like to show their appreciation somehow, and 2) because you come across as a very congenial guy in you posts. Still, I think that everyone needs to understand this site for what it is: a place to receive and give information; and perhaps to be entertained. It's not an ideal place to meet buddies; just as the MPs and *****bars are not ideal places to meet prospective girlfriends. I'm not saying it can't happen; but people who go there expecting this are most likely to be very disappointed. The mere thought of running into JD (a very troubled soul) makes my skin crawl, and this has cured me forever from ever wanting to meet anyone from this site in person!

Not that I hold anything against anyone here. Quite the contrary: I think it's a terrific site, FOR WHAT IT IS.

TRex
03-30-03, 23:53
By the way, I've used Dreaming Eagle's coupons at both Selina's and Marilyn's. And they were enthusiastically accepted! Thanks again, D.E.

Crespo
03-31-03, 16:20
I also used a coupon at Marylyn's. I took a friend there and he left a happy camper and plans to bring back more business shortly. My experience was not as posivitive, since I gave him first dibs. Nonetheless, thanks mucho for the coupon.

Crespo
03-31-03, 16:40
I also checked out the Joker. I definitely recommend it as a place to hang up when recharging your batteries. Although it's not a spiffy inside as Amadeus, the women are just as beautifiul if not more. Plus, the dances at Joker are much more interesting. (And, of course, they don't play "Rock me Amadeus" during each switch!) Most of the woman took it all off, and some where quite enthusiastic in their routines. One particular knockout put on quite the show by squirting milk from her breasts at least two feet in the air: thar she blows!

The main drawback to Joker's is that the drinks are expensive: $4 a pop for beer, and probably much more for mixed drinks. Parking is a little tight, and they charge $2 even outside the main parking lot. But it's closer to downtown than I thought. To get to it, you take Avenida de la Raza past Technologicia for about four or five blocks. (I believe A. de La Raza becomes A. Gomez Morin by then).

BigBuddy
03-31-03, 23:23
TRex,

I found that between rounds with the ladies being a monger was a lonely adventure. Sure it was great walking around and taking everything in but it would have been more fun to have a buddy along to make it more fun. Things like a $10 steak meal isn't as great alone than to have someone to bullshit with. At the hotel I met some guys that invited me to go to the horse races with them and although they seemed like good people I declined since I didn't really know them. Should have gone, it would have been a blast. I don't know, you just can't be too careful.

On the other hand the guys who meet up at Nuevo Laredo seem to have become friends and seem to have a good time. I guess the trick there is people are meeting up as a group so you don't have to worry about being stuck with someone that is going to creep you out.

As far as insulting the lady that you've gone back to three times I hate to sound cold but so what. Pick whoever you want. Believe me, she'll get over it. There are propably lots of guys that are repeat customers that see different ladies.

TRex
04-01-03, 04:24
I found that between rounds with the ladies being a monger was a lonely adventure. Sure it was great walking around and taking everything in but it would have been more fun to have a buddy along to make it more fun. Things like a $10 steak meal isn't as great alone than to have someone to bullshit with.

I re-read my last post, and perhaps I came across harsher than I meant to. I agree with you that it would be nice to have a friend or two to make the rounds with in Juarez (except for going to the MPs together--as there could a conflict of interest as to who get first dibbs--look what happened to Crespo below). And I'm fairly sure that MOST of the people posting on this site are alright. HOWEVER, I'm also fairly sure that there are a few really sick bastards out there. It just doesn't seem worth taking the chance. In my mature years (I'm 43), I've learned to assess the risk against the benefit; and it just doesn't seem to even out in this area. One of my problems is that I tend to be overly trusting of people; so the best way for me to keep from being taken advantage of would be to avoid meeting up with anyone here.

As for selecting a new girl in front of the one I've been seeing: I think your advice is basically sound. Logic would dictate that any "pro" working in a MP would take a "professional" attitude and understand that the client should have what the client wants. However, remember that we're dealing here with perhaps God's most illogical creation: the female sex! I don't want to be caught up in the "grass is always greener" syndrome. I'd REALLY hate to get on the wrong side of my regular, since she's probably about as good looking as they come in the MPs. When I was doing the stip club thing in El Paso last year, one night my regular girl came in late, found me with two other girls, and nearly started a re-enactment of the Bud Light commercial! After she chased the other two girls away (she asked one if she'd like "a fingernail up her ass"), she gave me the silent treatment for a while, then cussed me out, then left in a huff "to go make some money." So here I am, my evening ruined after dropping mucho dinero, trying to understand what happened and how I fucked up. Bottom line: some of these working girls see disloyal patrons as taking food out of their mouths. Maybe it's not as intense in the MP scene. Or maybe my best bet is to experiment with other girls at someplace other than Marilyn's.

Oh, one other question: does anyone know if Corina is still working at Selina's? She's gotten good press in some earlier posts, and I thought I might try to hook up with her.

DreamingEagle
04-01-03, 07:40
There is no reason not to pick another girl in an MP. I don't know which of the three honeyies (sp?) at Marilyn's you like: Cristina, Maryanna, or Lissette, but I can tell you all three of them are great. They are all young and a bit shy, but once they warm up, oh, my. I have told all three of them we are going to simply take turns because I like all three of them. No problem. Honesty has a big part of this situation like any other. "No tengo una novia, y si voy a pagar quero sexo con muchachas varios. Pero, confieame nadia es mas caliente de tu, mi amor! Yo simplemente un hobre," I tell them, making fucking motions to show her how much I like girls. "Nosotros todas sin valor." (I don' have a girlfriend, and if I am going to pay I want sex with various girls. But, trust me, none is hotter than you, my love. I am simply a man. We are all worthless...)

She's going to laugh because you are just being honest. The girls at Corpus are the same way. I'm sure there are a few sourpusses out there who will get pissed (especially in the ***** bars), but you know what? Too bad. You can always find another favorita just as hot...the main thing is that you give her a great time when you are with her. Women can overlook anything except lies, and that happy-go-lucky bad boy image is not a bad one to have with the girls. Much as they say they dislike guys like that, they keep going for them.

Regarding Loryed's, you were there. Just walk down the right side of Hipermart until you deadend into the street behind it, and Loyred's is on the second floor of the little strip center facing you. Not to the left or right but straight ahead, and the buses run along Triunfo de la Republica about every five minutes until 9 p.m. at night. Loryed's is one of the easiest places to get to on the bus, and there is a cute girl there named Denise who likes to get dickslapped in the face...:) Been getting in the mood for "mi esclava pequena" (my little slave), but after three years there are just too many favoritas to count.

The www.juarez-mexico.com tour guide finally shows up on the first page of the Google, AOL, and Netscape search pages, as well as on the first page of many other major search engines and is getting over 300 visitors a day for anyone who enters keywords "JUAREZ MEXICO"---which, believe it or now, over 3000 people a day do in fact enter into Lycos alone. Another few months, and I hope to be posting from Ciudad Juarez full-time...

Glad you guys are enjoying the coupons. Just drop me an email at elk_dreamer@hotmail.com if you want one---or another one. Beginning next weekend, you will also be able to get coupons for Sirena's and Marilyn's from Ephrien at the Hotel Villa Manport, provided you are staying there, of course.

I want to conclude by telling JDInd his crazy stories are welcome here. I went quite a bit overboard putting down his judgement in earlier posts and thought about it quite a bit this weekend. I do think it will lead to trouble hanging with the druggies, but then again it's his life, man, and I had no right to put him down so hard. Say what you will the dude has got some balls to thrust himself into that scene, and I'm sure he'll have some interesting tales to tell if he comes back...

DreamingEagle
04-01-03, 08:09
Originally posted by bigbuddy
TRex,

I found that between rounds with the ladies being a monger was a lonely adventure. Sure it was great walking around and taking everything in but it would have been more fun to have a buddy along to make it more fun. Things like a $10 steak meal isn't as great alone than to have someone to bullshit with.

Tell me about it...

I've been here for three years, and not one of my old friends will come here to visit me. They think Juarez is some dangerous place where you have to dodge bullets to walk down the street and just won't make the effort to journey from Dallas to be here---despite they fact they are all in their 40's or 50's now and complaining bitterly about not being able to get any young pussy any more...:) Go figure. Nor are the guys around here any different. I can't reveal too much at work, so finding friends there is out.

The Juarez Tour Guide website really started with me imagining I had an imaginary friend with me in the city. I had learned so much, and I wanted to be able to say "Hey, man, right there is there the last battle of the Mexican revolution was fought, and the treaties were signed right there in that building with Pancho Villa looking on...Billy the Kid liked to sit right here in front of the church on Sundays...and now we're going to a place where I'm going to get you a girl who's about an 8 out of 10, and she's going to really *give* you some pussy instead of just making you think about it...and then we're going to have a sirloin steak so big it falls off the plate for $10."

My own sister got sick and tired of hearing about how wonderful Mexico is...how much I want to live there. Most of my friends did, too. It's as though we have all been programmed to think that our own world is the only world worth knowing, worth respecting, worth exploring, and anyone who ventures far from that beaten path is some kind of crazy aunt in the basement who must either be deluded or lying.

Pissed me off for quite a long while, and that's another reason the web site came into being, to set the record straight that Juarez is not a dangerous place, not any more than Dallas, Texas, where I grew up.

So my imaginary friend never came, but the lonliness didn't last. I made friends in Juarez instead, friends who are damn glad someone is going something to give the place some good press, and friends who were friends long before the web site ever came into being. It's kind of for them, too, because they are nice people who don't deserve to have their city smeared all over the American press as a den of cut-throats and thieves.

Perhaps the hardest part to believe about all of this is when we see how frustrated the men are in the U.S., and whey won't come join us or even believe us.

A great foreign adventure awaiting right there across the Rio Bravo, but only a few have enough of a sense of destiny to explore it. The rest, in my mind, are like Hobbits munching sweet cake in the shire, dreaming of adventure, yet scurrying away to hide in their Hobbit holes when Gandalf comes a calling for real...

I'm come to see that's where they belong, and that this is where I belong. So everything's cool now, but I totally was impacted by your comment about it being lonely here.

Worse, you can't tell many people about it when you get back, which is why we all probably keep coming back here.

ElPasoGentleman
04-03-03, 07:19
Ah yes, it's been said long ago DE - as you are most likely aware of - "most men lead lives of quiet desperation". How sad.

Dinghy
04-03-03, 07:36
DE you are so right but most forget that depending on WHERE you go and HOW YOU ACT makes an immense difference in how "dangerous" any place is. For myself, I liked the 5 or 6 times I visited CJ. Of course being currently for the next 6 days in Pattaya sort of gives me a different outlook...(still love Mexico, thouogh and it isn't a 20 hour plane ride)

funmorefun2003
04-04-03, 19:30
great board here. i am in el paso for business for a week or so. i was wondering if anyone could give me some info on mp in juarez. the only catch is that i do not speak spanish. any suggestions / instructions would be greatly appreciated. also, i read buckyball's post about the girls in el paso that he hooks up with. this may be more my speed. any way i could have one of those girls get ahold of me. i prefer the younger ones! email me at funmorefun2003@yahoo.com.

thanks in advance for the info and help.

Ngp477
04-05-03, 19:24
Just arrived yesterday at Juarez. Stopped at MP Cleopatra but 3 dumpy girls there, so I went to the hotel. Went to massage Sirena in the afternoon, but only 3 chubby girls so I left. Went for a beer with a couple of guys from Arizona who were there for a day of mongering, and then to massage El Encanto next to (upstairs from ) Pappaguyos bar. 4 girls there about 3 pm. They quoted my friends $40 for an hour earlier that day. I got the slim girl for $30. I showed them and tried to use the $25 discount coupon for massage Sirena that I got from Dreaming Eagle and they told me the rate was $30. So I saved $10? She was 27 and had 3 kids, but didn't show stretch marks until in the room. Name was Perla. I don't recommend her. She started the massage by changing the rules and telling me that a bj was $20 additional once inside. I was not pleased that she tried to hit me up for another $20 after telling me $30 before was for "everything". Never trust a *****. I know why they call it *****z. She had 3 tatoos that were not real attractive. After having the beer without any food, and with her attitude, I had a hard time getting a nut off with her because I was not in the mood with her and she was nothing special. She was definitely bored and yawned several times in the massage room. Wasn't a sexy experience. No tip for her, definitely.

Went last night to Amadaus near Walmart. Cab driver tried to follow me inside to get his kickback $ for bringing me there, so I walked across the street to McDonalds to get away from this scam. The bar will add the $ to your first drink/cover charge or the cab driver will expect you to buy him a drink inside and the bar will over-charge you to cover his kickback. After cab driver left I went back across the street into Amadaus. Saw some good looking girls, but they demanded $200 for one hour. Yes I am not joking. Not for all night, for one hour only. And the girls only will strip down to a bikini suit as they dance at Amadeus, not topless or total nudity.

Left Amadeus after a $4 beer and the taxi driver outside wanted to charge me $10 to return to hotel, so I called the guy that drove me there for only $8. Remember the average wage there is about $10 a day or less. He came to Amadaeus and we stopped on the way back at a motel where girls waited in their cars for guys. They were asking $60 for short-time. Saw one that was satisfactory. About a 7-8 but the beer was getting me tired, so I went back to the hotel for some sleep.

Today I went to the Centro of Juarez, taking the bus for a few pesos. There is a park on Avenido 16 Sept. and a restaurant nearby. Saw 2 transvestites. One cute blond wanted $50 but said we had to use his (her) boarding house. Not a safe idea for me, and I prefer real girls.

Tried to pick up a girl at the park, but she was not interested. Only 17 but attractive. Maybe illegal. Offered her $50 and to buy her some clothes at the shopping mall, but she said she wanted to buy clothes with her own money. She made only $10 a day working in a factory.

I think the massage places are best value for your money. If you don't like what you see, just leave and go to another one. They are all hit or miss.

Juarez could be better, but there is little English spoken, and the girls are definitely not interested in an american, only the MONEY!!! Do not expect a GFE. They have their life down there, and it is different. Not better, just different, and a 3d world country.

Jdindc9
04-06-03, 00:17
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
So just chill, man. I can't pretend not to think you're nuts for living where you do, and I don't think you're going to find anyone who thinks you're not in danger, whether you can see this or not.
Tell me to chill, how am I suppossed to react when I'm trashed personally on the forum?

Reading comments from guys about being afraid to walk from Casa Colorado to the Cave just shows how little y'all actually know about this place.

Jdindc9
04-06-03, 00:27
Originally posted by bigbuddy
Gave her a $40 tip on the way out and she was totally freaked.

The sex was better than the last time. Rang my bell twice and she was ready for more. When it was time to go I rolled up some money in a $10 bill so she couldn't see how much. Would of loved to have seen her face when she unrolled it. It was less than one of my car payments but probably the biggest tip she ever got. Yes, I know, I'm an idiot and it made me feel like a big man which I know I'm not but I did it anyway. Went back to El Paso, finished my legitimate business and went home.

Okay, this is going to catch me hell from the old farts on this board, but f' it ...

Advice: do not give girls in the zona big tips. After moving here I discovered first hand that big tips usually just cause drug binging. The girl takes a mini-vacation and does drugs all week. You think your doing a nice thing, but your not. I'm not implying all the girls are drug-addicted, but many are, even in the clubs. Also, realize the bar-owners get 1/2 of all tips.

Jdindc9
04-06-03, 00:32
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
I agree and regret expressing my initial "shock and awe" that anyone would want to live among the druggies. But, like you say, to each his own, and what he discovers will definitely be untrod territory...my apologies, JD.

Regarding your other question about the bridge, there has been no change as far as I can see. I got across in 23 minutes last Sunday driving back on the Sante Fe.
Apology accepted....btw I am totally f'ing nuts for living here, and yes, I realize Bella Vista is *not* Mexico, but rather....political commentary ommitted for sake of fellow mongers :-)

Bella Vista, beautiful view in english, is the Colonia the zona is in.

Jdindc9
04-06-03, 00:40
Originally posted by npaul
Tried to pick up a girl at the park, but she was not interested. Only 17 but attractive. Maybe illegal. Offered her $50 and to buy her some clothes at the shopping mall, but she said she wanted to buy clothes with her own money. She made only $10 a day working in a factory.

Dude, I'm not going to flame you, but you *really* should not do something like that. I know the girls are beautiful, but stick to the zona or to the side corridors of the market where you know the girls are working. How would you like your 17 year old daughter being propositioned when she is innocently hanging out in the park?

Peter_Girth
04-06-03, 23:12
Originally posted by DreamingEagle

Pissed me off for quite a long while, and that's another reason the web site came into being, to set the record straight that Juarez is not a dangerous place, not any more than Dallas, Texas, where I grew up.


Amen, brother. I get sick of people from shitholes like Detroit and Cleveland telling me how dangerous Mexico is.

DreamingEagle
04-07-03, 04:04
originally posted by npaul
...then to massage el encanto next to (upstairs from ) pappaguyos bar. 4 girls there about 3 pm. they quoted my friends $40 for an hour earlier that day. i got the slim girl for $30. i showed them and tried to use the $25 discount coupon for massage sirena that i got from dreaming eagle and they told me the rate was $30...tried to pick up a girl at the park, but she was not interested. only 17 but attractive. maybe illegal...juarez could be better, but there is little english spoken, and the girls are definitely not interested in an american, only the money!!! do not expect a gfe. they have their life down there, and it is different. not better, just different, and a 3d world country.

i kind of pulled quotes from your post for comments. el encanto has never been my favorite place, but, as far as i know, it has never been a $40 place. the coupon for sirena's is a $30 coupon. the one for marilyn's is $25. trying to pick up ****d girls could get you arrested. as far as the gfe is concerned, i seldom have anything else, just from knowing where and when to go, i guess. so don't give up on juarez just yet...:)

DreamingEagle
04-07-03, 04:06
Originally posted by jdindc9
Okay, this is going to catch me hell from the old farts on this board, but f' it ...

Advice: do not give girls in the zona big tips. After moving here I discovered first hand that big tips usually just cause drug binging. The girl takes a mini-vacation and does drugs all week. You think your doing a nice thing, but your not. I'm not implying all the girls are drug-addicted, but many are, even in the clubs. Also, realize the bar-owners get 1/2 of all tips.

A five dollar tip is enough to make her feel appreciated. I like to tell her for the kids, not for you, which always seems to bring a smile.

DreamingEagle
04-07-03, 04:44
Another enchanted weekend unfolded. Spent Friday night at home chilling out and plotting my moves for the next day, plans which always change. Went to Corpus on Saturday and got with a pretty, slender favorita who is fairly new there. Had seen her walking up the street while parking the car the evening before, which got me to thinking about how good she is. She went across the street to Siete Leguas to order some food. Decided not to approach her out of respect for her privacy, but that smile she had flashed me had said it all. Waiting for her about an hour talking to the other girls. Took pictures of a new one and her sister, neither of them anything special, but it builds good PR to show up with a pic now and then for them. The favorita finally came in with the owner (who is pretty darn hot herself on the table). She seemed equally glad to see me and wasn't stingy with real kisses. She weighs all of about 110 pounds, this one, and her little pussy was all wet when I touched her, no lubricant or nothing. "Por qué tu ares mujada?" I asked her playfully. "Este!" she hissed, giving me a great hand job. She came hard in about 60 seconds, convulsing around me in a way no woman can fake. Turned her around doggie style and really gave her to her good then, her screaming all the way. Don't know if you guys care if they come or not, but to me, that's what it's all about---getting 'em off. Afterwards, she said she was sleepy now, that she had not been able to sleep the night before worried about money. Told her if she wanted to come to the house next Saturday before work, she could keep all of the money for herself and gave her my card. I'd say she's about an 8 on anybody's scale.

Did a couple of photo shoots downtown afterwards and caught up with my taxi driver friends and some of the store owners. Dropped by the history museum to show them them a print out of their pages, and they were pleased. The curator was quick to point out I had labeled one of the paintings as a Goya when it's actually a Valaquez. Got some better shots of both paintings. When I had seen them the first time I had no idea I was standing in front of a couple of the world's great masterpieces and just snapped without really concentrating on it.

Sunday was about as good as Saturday. At Masaje Brenda's they have a new girl, also small, and cute, not pretty like the one mentioned above. However, she was an awesome experience. When she got hot I playfully told her she was my "esclava pequeña" (little slave), and she really got into being playfully dominated. Had her on her knees giving me some wild head while I watched in the mirror even though she had told me at the beginning of the session I could have "oral o sexo", not both. I had told her when she went down I still intended to fuck her, and she just said, "claro" (sure). Mmmm....nothing like enthusism.

She also came very easily, and repeatedly. She also didn't make a move to get up when we had finished and asked me all kinds of questions about myself. She could not believe I was 52. "No me lo creo!" she said, touching my hair. "You have all your hair, and you're not fat. Natural?" I assured her it was naturally brown and that I thanked god my dad had had a full head of hair until his late 60's. "Good genes, very important." We talked this way until someone knocked on the door. She asked when I would come back and said if she had quit working there to look for her at Michelle's, which I surely will do.

For those of you trying to learn Spanish, I can't tell you how rewarding it is when all the fog finally starts to clear and you are understanding most of what you hear and are able to share your thoughts with people. It seems to come in quantum leaps instead of incremental progress. So never give up. I'm still not that good, but enough of the language has been mastered that it doesn't matter whether or not it's perfect or not. I'm sure it's part of the reason I am having such tremendous experiences with the girls these days. In the past it was hit or miss, but now it's great sex 90% of the time, whether it's with a new one or a long time favorita.

Ate at Frida's afterwards. This restaurant is on Triunfo de La Republica and served me some of the best bar-b-qued pork ribs I've ever tasted. The whole meal was about $12 with tip. Plus the place is beautiful inside. There was a set of drums on stage, so I'm sure they have live music on weekends. This might be a place to meet some really nice local girls. The place is named after Diego Rivera's long time lover, also a painter, and they have a whole wall of reproductions of her many self-portraits. Definitely 4 stars for you guys who enjoy nice restaurants.

The enchantment wore off a bit at the bridge. The line was pretty long for 4:30 p.m. in the afternoon, backed all the way up to Martinez on Avenida Juarez. The free bridge was just as bad, something I knew from having driven there first. When the lines are long, pick Avenida Juarez. You have to pay $1.80, but the line always moves faster.

Ngp477
04-07-03, 07:32
Thanks, guys, but I did give up on Juarez after 2 days/nights.

Here's the story:

Friday, Cleopatras was recommended by an accomplace, but when we were there there were only gordas with trashy bleached hair and tatoos.

Sirena's had only 3 gordas most times I went there looking. The last time I checked there was a flaca, but she was old.

I described El Encanto previously. Only 1 of 4 was slim, but she was spoiled and boring.

Went on Saturday to:

Le Petit and there were 2 girls there, 1 gorda, one plain Jane.

Pink Lady had 1 of 3 girls that was doable, but after $6 for an orange juice and a lady's drink, they demanded $100 for an hour with her. Left there immediately after they mentioned the price.

Ended up at a place a couple blocks from Le Petit, on the same street. Can't recall the name now, I think it was called Genesis? and the MS had a gold business card. There were 7 fat girls working, and I talked with the guy who ran the place and he spoke perfect English. He said there was another girl working there who was slim. I waited for her to finish her other customer. Her name was Karen and she was slim. About 28 years old and had 3 kids, but slim. Had a scar from her navel to her pussy from a C-section. Suggest you try her, but keep the lights low.


Recommend Heraduras de los sotos (horseshoe) steak house next door to Papaguyos and a block from Hotel Villa Man Port. I never recommend restaurants, but this one was excellent. Try the filet mignon for $9. Excellent steak, onions, mushrooms, potato and beans with chips.

Sorry, but overall, I would not recommend a trip to Ciudad Juarez, especially if you are looking for a cute latin female encounter.

DreamingEagle
04-08-03, 05:00
Originally posted by npaul
Thanks, guys, but I did give up on Juarez after 2 days/nights...

Recommend Heraduras de los sotos (horseshoe) steak house next door to Papaguyos and a block from Hotel Villa Man Port. I never recommend restaurants, but this one was excellent. Try the filet mignon for $9. Excellent steak, onions, mushrooms, potato and beans with chips....

Sorry, but overall, I would not recommend a trip to Ciudad Juarez, especially if you are looking for a cute latin female encounter....

I wouldn't give up. If you have gone to Marilyn's you would have had your choice of three lovely young girls---all slender and clean with nice personalities, all early 20's. There is a real cutie at Corpus, too, right now.

The steakhouse El Herradero de Soto is one of my favorite places. Herradero refers to the brand put on cattle, and it also means more generally a rancher. No one I've ever met who's eaten there was disappointed.

Too bad the slender girls are harder to find than a great steak...but that's the lay of the land in Ciudad Juarez. There are diamonds there, though.

Westex
04-08-03, 18:27
I gotta back up DreamingEagle on the Marilyn MP--been there twice in recent weeks and had a great time on both occasions. The place ain't much too look at, for DAMN sure, but the ladies are nice and you can't beat the price...even without the coupon, which I forgot both times! I don't mind the extra five bucks but sorry, DE, that you're not getting the credit you deserve with management, for bringing new business. I swear I'll take it next time, and I'll definitely go back.

and by the way, where's Corpus? I thought it had been described in an earlier post but can't find it to save my life. variety being the spice thereof.

Ngp477
04-08-03, 19:29
Sorry I could not be more positive, guys, but I tell them like I see them.

If you are in the neighborhood, great, but Juarez is no *****z.

As many fatties as in the states.

DreamingEagle
04-09-03, 01:54
Originally posted by npaul
Sorry I could not be more positive, guys, but I tell them like I see them.

If you are in the neighborhood, great, but Juarez is no *****z.

As many fatties as in the states.

Ah, well, what we are trying to tell you is that you have to know where to go...I admit, however, without that information it's definitely hit or miss. But saying there is nothing here is just, well, an incomplete report...every girl I get with is at least a 7 and many 8's or 9's. (And I like'm slender, young, and firm all over.)

To the question about Corpus, it's on Jose Borunda at Calle Columbia, east of el centro. Borunda runs parallel to 16 de Septiembre which runs west into downtown and V. Guerrero (running east from downtown). From downtown take Vicente Guerrero east until you get to Peru. Columbia is the next tiny little street on the left, but if driving go on up to the next one. Turn left, then turn left on Borunda. (You made a little circle because Borunda is also a one way street.)

If you are taking the bus, just take any bus on V. Guerrero from downtown which says "Hipermart" or "Futurama" on the windshield and ask to get off at Peru. Then walk up to Columba, turn left, walk one block, and turn right on Borunda. Corpus is right there at that corner in a tiny stip center. But they only have one real eye popper, and the owner, Alexandra, is not bad either.

Fortunately, you can walk back to Peru on Borunda and on the same side of the street is a three story green building at that corner where you will find Masaje Felinas on the second floor. If you don't like things there you can hop back on the bus on V. Guerrero and get off at Montes de Oca. Turn left on Montes de Oca and you will come to Genesis. If you don't like anyhing there, walk back to V. Guerrero and keep going on Montes de Oca until you get to Avenida de la Raz where you will find LePetit on the second floor of a small strip center at that intersection.

If you still haven't found anyone, keep walking on Montes de Oca until you come to Del Ejido (quite a walk, 10 minutes I'd say) and turn right on Del Ejido. One block later look for 2900 painted on a green building and you are at Marilyn's. If you don't like that scene, walk back on Del Ejido the way you came until you come to Lopez Mateos, a huge six lane street going south. Turn right until you come to Churches Fried Chicken, and next door is Masaje Roma.

That's five places you can check out, on foot, in about an hour total travel and walking time...

My whole point is that Ciudad Juárez is not TJ or Costa Rica where you can find 20 model quality girls in one bar. But it does not cost thousands of dollars to get here either, and the girls are not half as expensive. Once you wind up with a gorgeous muchacha you won't be wanting for more...but you have to have a look and exit strategy until you get to know the place. Hate to sound like a broken record, but I'm just telling you guys the truth. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a fact. We have some stunning selections here by anybody's standards. They're here. Lot's of you have found them...lot's of you have had the ole' "miss" in the hit and miss game.

DreamingEagle
04-09-03, 02:00
Originally posted by westex
I gotta back up DreamingEagle on the Marilyn MP--been there twice in recent weeks and had a great time on both occasions. The place ain't much too look at, for DAMN sure, but the ladies are nice and you can't beat the price...

I've often thought it's a blessing from God to have Marianna, Lisette, *and* Christina all working in the same place at the same time. None of them have an ounce of fat on them, are very young and shy, and really nice people. Plus, once you get them going, oh, my god. A few bad posts about them being cold, but they are all young and new to this deal. Take the time to talk to them and ask about their kids and all, and they are different girls. I think sometimes we tend to forget if we want a GFE, give her a BFE...:)

This can't last long. I'm sure every week I'm going to walk in an one, if not all three, have quit. Five weeks running they all three been there each time I dropped in. One thing going for us is that their boss, Sergio, is a great person who really has respect for his girls. He doesn't mess with them himself and tries to help them finds schools they can go to, etc. So they tend to hang around longer than they do in many places where the management could care less about them.

Ngp477
04-09-03, 02:40
Originally posted by DreamingEagle
Ah, well, what we are trying to tell you is that you have to know where to go...every girl I get with is at least a 7 and many 8's or 9's. (And I like'm slender, young, and firm all over.)

My whole point is that Ciudad Juárez is not TJ or Costa Rica where you can find 20 model quality girls in one bar. Hate to sound like a broken record, but I'm just telling you guys the truth. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a fact. We have some stunning selections here by anybody's standards. They're here.


where???? Amadeus for $200 an hour?

Pimelonman
04-09-03, 02:55
Originally posted by npaul
Sorry I could not be more positive, guys, but I tell them like I see them.

If you are in the neighborhood, great, but Juarez is no *****z.

As many fatties as in the states.

TRex
04-09-03, 03:00
Hey guys,

Pay attention and actually READ the reports by Dreaming Eagle and others. I just started being a hobbyist about six weeks ago, and I've been having the time of my life in Juarez. But you have to your homework and carefully read the posts on this site. This sometimes includes reading between the line. See, your mama was right: a good education actually does pay off!

IMHO, if a guy can't find a girl to please him at Marilyn's or Le Petit (and that's only two of the three that I've personally checked out), then he can't be pleased.

TRex
04-09-03, 03:05
Dreaming Eagle:

Say it ain't so, about the high turnover rate at the MPs! I know it hasn't happened yet, but I can't bear the thought of losing any of the three babes at Marilyn's! Maybe a few of us here can pool our resources and keep them on a private retainer or something.

I suppose the moral of the story is to enjoy a good situation as much as you can while it lasts. I certainly intend to!

Pimelonman
04-09-03, 03:12
The vast majority of women in Juaurez are fat and ugly, I agree. The ones that are attractive and work in the go-go bars will try to soak you for as many $7 3oz drinks as they they can. Some may go with you after you have spent lots of cash on them several times. Some will lie to you so that you will think they are going to have sex with you so that they can continue to soak you for drinks. I am fed up with this scene and no longer fall into this trap. If I want sex I just take a stroll by the gym, find a freelancer, have sex for $20 and get the hell out of that poverty stricken, corrupt, shithole.

Pimelonman
04-09-03, 03:19
The vast majority of women in Juaurez are fat and ugly, I agree. The ones that are attractive and work in the go-go bars will try to soak you for as many $7 3oz drinks as they they can. Some may go with you after you have spent lots of cash on them several times. Some will lie to you so that you will think they are going to have sex with you so that they can continue to soak you for drinks. I am fed up with this scene and no longer fall into this trap. If I want sex I just take a stroll by the gym, find a freelancer, have sex for $20 and get the hell out of that poverty stricken, corrupt, shithole.

JROB
04-10-03, 02:17
I need help. I'll be landing in El Paso Monday afternoon and will have 3-4 hours before I have to split for parts north. Is that enough time to get to Juarez and back? If so, where should I go? Any help would be appreciated.

DreamingEagle
04-10-03, 02:53
Originally posted by pimelonman
The vast majority of women in Juaurez are fat and ugly, I agree. The ones that are attractive and work in the go-go bars will try to soak you for as many $7 3oz drinks as they they can. Some may go with you after you have spent lots of cash on them several times. Some will lie to you so that you will think they are going to have sex with you so that they can continue to soak you for drinks. I am fed up with this scene and no longer fall into this trap. If I want sex I just take a stroll by the gym, find a freelancer, have sex for $20 and get the hell out of that poverty stricken, corrupt, shithole.

You sure make a lot of generalizations for someone who obviously doesn't know beans about the city.

So, don't come back...:)

DreamingEagle
04-10-03, 02:59
Originally posted by TRex
Dreaming Eagle:

Say it ain't so, about the high turnover rate at the MPs! I know it hasn't happened yet, but I can't bear the thought of losing any of the three babes at Marilyn's! Maybe a few of us here can pool our resources and keep them on a private retainer or something.

I suppose the moral of the story is to enjoy a good situation as much as you can while it lasts. I certainly intend to!

I'm afraid it is, and I'm glad someone here is tacking the situation in with right way, with the right frame of mind. Some people seem to think they should be able to flash one dollar bill on Avenida Juarez and have the flower of the nation's female pulchritude prostrate themselves on the sidewalk for it. People wonder why I don't offer my personal services as a guide for pay. I can tell you right now the attitude of so many guys would be so disgusting, even if starving, I'd rather shine shoes in front of the catedral...

ElPasoGentleman
04-10-03, 05:54
I believe "shithole" is properly spelled with TWO words, not one. Other than that I'm beyond words, except to say - I guess you get want you want.

Dickhead
04-10-03, 09:03
all of méjico is poverty stricken. this is the legacy of imperialism and mass [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) combined with an unfortunate geography that provides little arable land, largely unproductive flora and fauna, and poor distribution of precipitation.

much of méjico is indeed corrupt. this is the legacy of imperialism and continued invasion. the extreme wealth stratification and concentration of power and influence that resulted from this led to the many being continually abused by the influential few.

c. juarez is indeed a "shit hole" by many reasonable persons' standards (as are the "border towns" in general). however and importantly, you can still have fun there if you are aware of its limitations and if you can figure out the rules of the game. if not, the interior of méjico is much less of a "shit hole" but perhaps many lazy americans do not take the time, effort, and yes risk to figure this out.

as dreaming eagle often points out, méjico is not the place to go if you want to pick up horny teenagers at the shopping mall and be in their pants by midnight. i do feel it has a lot to offer to the patient monger or girl friend seeker but then again, being neither patient nor a girl friend seeker i have still had many fine experiences there.

the good old us of a invaded this country on a flimsy pretext (sound familiar at all?) and took much of their territory. it wasn't that long ago, historically speaking, so if every gringo who goes down there for the next several hundred years gets robbed they still will not have gotten "even." think about it. having said that, i have never been robbed of a single centavo in probably 50 visits to méjico. the only plausible explanation i can think of is that most of the people there are honest.

Ed...
04-10-03, 22:22
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dickhead
This is the legacy of imperialism ...

Intended respectfully:

Mr Dickhead,
Loved the post, a sarcastic and informative retort, and I know its not a political forum, but I had some friendly questions. Mexico has plenty of jungle, is it the mountanous terrrain that stymies farming? Thats been conquered elsewhere. Ditto on rain fall, Nebraska, Kansas ect is no easy till and tinkle. How many generations should wash away Imperialism? The good ol ... was shackled not long ago at all, as were the people who came here, and continue to. (thats not quite the same any more, but a whole nuther story). Flimsey pretext?, you mean the Mexican Army invading, trying to test a young nation at a vulnerable time? The result helped along a conflict here like no other, and in spite of the opportunity to colapse we are a greater nation for it. No whiners here, history is not a crutch, but a lesson to do better. Is it reasonable to believe California, Az, NM and Texas would be nearly what they are today under Mexican rule? Is it the location alone? Could be somthing else.
I agree the wide spread of the rich and poor is the reason for Mexicos troubles, but the legacy stuff I dont understand. Truthfully. Mexico has what, one seventh of the worlds oil reserves? We would agree these are very hard working, loyal and capable people. Without changing the past, what do you believe would get Mexico up the steps? I believe that would one of the greatest and most attainable things to be accomplished in the new century.

...Ed

Dickhead
04-10-03, 23:47
the lack of arable land is caused by a combination of jungle (normally not good land for crops or grazing), desert, and most importantly the uneven distribution of rainfall. by this i mean not enough followed by way too much too fast too hard, leading to erosion and flooding.

the "invasion" of the "united states" by méjico occurred in texas, which was part of méjico until their government allowed stephen austin to colonize it. texas, which had never been part of the us, first declared independence and then was unilaterally annexed by the us, which santa anna had warned would be considered an act of war. we then proceeded to amass an army at the mouth of the rio grande, all prior to the invasion to which you presumably refer (earlier méjico had invaded the republic of texas leading to the alamo incident but texas was not then in the us). many historians believe that polk intentionally provoked the invasion to provide an excuse to seize california and other western lands, although i more believe the us annexed texas to prevent the british from gaining an economic foothold there and that caused the war. either way, we stationed our army 10 feet from their border for no discernible reason prior to the invasion. to say that méjico was "testing a young nation" makes little sense since méjico as a sovereign nation is 48 years younger than the us. it seems more logical to me to state that we took texas from mexico and then "tested" that young nation and proceeded to take half of their country. in this context it is important to realize that the border between méjico and the us was set by treaty between the us and spain at a time when méjico was fighting for its independence from spain.

what would texas, new mexico, arizona, california, utah, nevada, parts of oregon, etc. be today under méjican rule? it is impossible to say but i do believe méjico would have fared better had it kept these more fertile and temperate lands, which of course incidentally turned out to contain gold. california today is pretty much ruined in my opinion and i would rather live in méjico than either california or texas (and i have lived in both those states).

how many generations wash away imperialism? it never washes away if the economic imperialism continues. present-day méjico is the product of the largest gang [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in history. the méjican metaphorically resents his hispanic father for what he did to his indian mother, yet has contempt for his indian mother for permitting it. this i believe to be the roots of machismo. the machismo has led to a lack of educational and work opportunities for women, which represents squandered resources. plus the french invasion left them with the legacy of the napoleonic code, which is in my opinion inferior to a common law system and strangles the country with paperwork and ritual.

what should méjico do now? i believe they are headed in the right direction with the demise of the pri. the biggest obstacle to development there, in my opinion, is the lack of long-term financing. 30 year mortgages and such are unknown there. if they can control inflation, they can develop long-term financing. they should use their oil reserves as hard currency to back the issuance of long-term bonds, then use the bond proceeds to improve the drilling and transportation infrastructure and provide more years of free education. i believe they now only provide 8 years of free education (it may vary by state, i'm not sure) but many kids have to leave earlier because the parents have to pay for uniforms and books.

then once they have an improved infrastructure they should be able to diversify the economy away from dependence on oil and tourism. much of the non-arable land could be productive if it could be irrigated at a reasonable cost, and their labor force, though relatively poorly educated, has skills in many different areas.

just my take on things after about 50 visits or so. the us is in a dominant position not because of the pioneer spirit or the christian work ethic or any of that bullshit but because we are fortunate to have a temperate climate with few natural disasters, much arable land, and diverse natural resources. then we have the willingness to bully other countries as we seek to maintain this dominance.

Ed...
04-11-03, 00:53
Oh, I get it now, that four letter word, luck.
...Ed

TRex
04-11-03, 03:34
Mr. Ed and Mr. Dickhead:

I have learned much from both of your posts here; and I think you both have a good sense of priorities; and you both make good points (although I personally tend to favor Ed's point of view). That said, I quote the immortal words of Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?!" Or better yet: "Can't we all just talk about getting laid?!" I hear (and participate in) so much political blather at work, that it would be nice to get a reprieve here.

I'd much rather read an argument about which girl in Juarez gives the best bj. The best I've had so far (I had one today, as a matter of fact) is by Christina at Marylin's MP. Any other nominees?

P.S. How about as compromise, we give California to Mexico? That's one state I'd never miss. At the very least, maybe we could let go of San Francisco?

Dickhead
04-11-03, 03:52
My perspective is historical, not political. The connection is that if you understand Méjican history you can come to understand the culture and you will have MUCH BETTER SEX DOWN THERE as opposed to those who are clueless, and for MUCH LESS MONEY. That is my point which I admittedly used quite a few words in indirectly making. I apologize.

Posters like pimelonman [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off and they should stay the fuck out of the country if they feel that way about it. Barrett Robbins should stay the fuck out of there too.

DreamingEagle
04-11-03, 04:37
originally posted by dickhead
my perspective is historical, not political. the connection is that if you understand méjican history you can come to understand the culture and you will have much better sex down there as opposed to those who are clueless, and for much less money. that is my point which i admittedly used quite a few words in indirectly making. i apologize.

posters like pimelonman [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off and they should stay the fuck out of the country if they feel that way about it. barrett robbins should stay the fuck out of there too.

just tuned into the geo-histo-political discussion, and, for a change, i'm speechless...

the best head job is probably given by denise at loryed, behind hipermart on triunfo de la republica (one of the easiest mps to get to on the bus). she is usually the only one there worth having, but she is definitely worth the trouble of driving out there. don't know why i don't do it more often. she gets down on her knees and just loves to suck and get slapped across the face with it. definitely a strong submissive streak going here...even more fun to fuck...screams constantly...comes easily. pretty. nice tits. about 26 years old.

Porker
04-11-03, 05:57
I will be in Juarez Saturday afternoon and looking to check out some massage places. Maybe will bump into some of y'all on the way.

ElPasoGentleman
04-11-03, 06:51
Hey I really enjoy all this "stuff" being posted. I'm into the historical, political, social and psychological as well as all the sexual avenues that good ole Mexico has to offer. Can anyone expound on the impact of the railroad which began in the US, I believe. Then entrepreneurial men in the US of European descent partnered with what's his name in Mexico - and both countries flourished and benefited.

As for the head jobs, I'm getting one this coming weekend.

I'm a man of immense wealth for all that I've experienced in Mexico (Juarez).

Keep on posting all this stuff - except for posts from those who can only see the shit holes.

:)

Ed...
04-11-03, 21:35
Piece, bros (spelling intentional). "la Raza" is slowing taking cali and others back, kinda by the rules, seems fair to me. The Chinese might own all of this, they bled too lay the rails! Did we pay them fairly? Mabe they will avoid WMD to collect, and send SARS instead. I completely agree with dickhead regarding culture and history and the need to understand. Most chicas dont care, but subtle references and empathy go a long, long way. As DreamingEagle has said, learn a little Spanish, that is a major step towards giving a fuck to get one. My new and pathetic skills were working hard last night to explain to a gal that I heard from my Marine son yesterday for the first time since Janurary, and it was hard to think of anything else. Guerra es malo, ect. she spats. Turned into how we have too much influence on the world and how we do this and that to her country as well. I told her fine, yo vamo, no regresso. She probably couldnt understand my form. Lo siento, squeezes and kisses. She faked concern for my kid. Good enough. Nuthin like a spat for great make up sex. No charge, her place, forgot the condom, woke up in daylight. Wierd.

Pimelonman
04-12-03, 03:14
Another way of putting it is Juarez is a sea of poverty, corruption, drug addicts, lard-assed sows and dumb asses. I tell it like it is that's all.

For those of you who think it is a paradise why don't you pack up and move over to that drug-infested snakepit. Maybe you can find a job paying $10 a day.

TRex
04-12-03, 03:46
Guys..Guys...Guys...Don't you realize that there's no such thing as "true history"?! History is always written within the context of the political/cultural views of whoever is writing it, whether consciously or subconsciously. And I know of what I speak: I'm a student (and teacher) of history.

Now the point of view that Mr. Dickhead takes may be of interest inasmuch as it projects a cultural perception that is likely favored by the inhabitants of Mexico. But it is an interpretation of history.

Since the cultural component seems to be popular here, let me relate an extrarodinary experience that occured during one of the classes I was teaching yesterday. After 15 minutes into my lecture, I heard a knock on the front door of the classroom. Now there are two doors--one in the front, near where I lecture, which I close and lock once class begins; and one in the rear, which I leave open for late-comers. So, I was quite pissed off when I heard this knock at the front door. I opened it, and told the guy standing there that he was disrupting the entire class, and that if must arrive late, he should use the rear door so as not to disturb me or other people in the class. To my shock, he laid into me, shouting and screaming that I was imposing my "white" cultural values on him (a hispanic). He ranted on, and said that in hispanic culture, it was acceptable to arrive 15 minutes late to class, and that by not allowing him this privilege, I was oppressing his heritage.

Now, let me be clear. I am a great admirer of Hispanic culture: the language, the culture, the lifestyle, and (of course) the women. And, further, I believe that this particular student has no idea of the true Hispanic tradition of respect and honor, in which a student would never dream of addressing a professor as he did me. But...and this is a significant but...there are a number of people in this world (not only Hispanics) who revel in assuming victim status. Personal responsibility goes a long way in my book. And the more I think about it, IMHO, the working girls of Juarez should be commended at least as far as they are taking the initiative to attempt to provide a better life for themselves and their families.

Okay, I'm sure a psychologist would probably have a problem with my point of view. But I had to try to make a connection to what this site is all about!

Keep those nominees for the best givers of head jobs coming (pardon the pun). I'm learning a lot here.

Dickhead
04-12-03, 05:07
"Now the point of view that Mr. Dickhead takes may be of interest inasmuch as it projects a cultural perception that is likely favored by the inhabitants of Mexico. But it is an interpretation of history."

My point of view, while undeniably a particular interpretation of history, reflects what was hopefully a culturally neutral education in Latin American history, hopefully enhanced by actual time spent in Latin America. I think maybe the inhabitants of Méjico actually would interpret history even more aggressively and imperialistically than I have.

Of course, all of this should be related to PUSSY. Thus I tell you all that if you want to use history to get laid, learn the story of the "Nin~os He'roes."

Ed...
04-12-03, 06:13
You guys crack me up, nuthin takin personally, ignoring the troll,admiting a slight bias in historical references, damn I only popped by as I was traveling thru your area! Thats funny TRex is history teacher, I thought thats were Dickhead got his nickname, from some seventh graders! LOL. "yo its mr hand, dude" I have seen Ninos Heros in the zona roja of tijuana, looked like a community clean up club. I failed to research that, and well, if pussy can be had then I'll crack a book!! Years ago I was in Adelitas in TJ for the first time, made me learn about the origin of the Chica with the bandelero and rifle. Some girls like to be likend to her. Again they do appreciate a bit of knowledge into their history.

Crespo
04-12-03, 14:38
Unfortunatley, I can't make any whole-hearted nominations for the coveted BBJ award (best blow job). It seems that here the act is perfunctory, like most of the massages you get. I generally am disappointed by the BJ's offered in package deals (i.e., "suck y fuck"), but I did have an exceptional one down in Tampico a few years ago.

However, I surely nominate Karina (sp?) of Sirena's for the best masajista. Not only does she give a great massage, she definitely gets into the sex. And, judging from some of the posts, Christina of Marylin's is undoubtably a frontrunner. By the way, she's the one who left my friend a happy camper.

Crespo
04-12-03, 14:52
A while back I made a post asking about babes at the MPs. Afterwards I did find a striking babe, but I don't recall mentioning it on the forum. She works at Venus (on Ave. Lincoln) and could easily be Shakira's twin sister. Unfortunately I found her guilty of false advertising, because she definitely was a size larger before she took off her halter. Gotta hate those wondra bras! Notwithstanding that disappointment, she surely has a hot little body and provides an enjoyable session. However, I wouldn't recommend her for a thrify monger, as Venus still is in the $50 range for their services.

Jdindc9
04-12-03, 21:32
Originally posted by peter_girth
Amen, brother. I get sick of people from shitholes like Detroit and Cleveland telling me how dangerous Mexico is.
Amen x2 Juarez is a great place.

Jdindc9
04-12-03, 21:48
Originally posted by pimelonman
The vast majority of women in Juaurez are fat and ugly, I agree. The ones that are attractive and work in the go-go bars will try to soak you for as many $7 3oz drinks as they they can. Some may go with you after you have spent lots of cash on them several times. Some will lie to you so that you will think they are going to have sex with you so that they can continue to soak you for drinks. I am fed up with this scene and no longer fall into this trap. If I want sex I just take a stroll by the gym, find a freelancer, have sex for $20 and get the hell out of that poverty stricken, corrupt, shithole.
Hey, dont talk about my colonia that way. You will find good people there too - like Raymond and Geraldo - who's restraunts are directly across from the gym. Or Chito's right-hand man Magoos. Or Mabell in Chito's. I work out in that gym, there's more there then just the streetwalkers. Every Sunday there's wrestling and people come from all over Juarez to see it. And there are at least one or two beautiful women in most of the bars, albeit there are a lot of cows too.

Im no Polyanna, the drugs causes lots of folks to lie and cheat - but its the same with the gavachos here.

My point - get a life and dont judge a place you obviously know nothing about. And, like DreamingEagle has said, if you want to get to know Juarez and actually get a little respect, try to learn more spanish then just - quero chicas bonita.

Flame away dickhead.......

Jdindc9
04-12-03, 22:16
Originally posted by JROB
I need help. I'll be landing in El Paso Monday afternoon and will have 3-4 hours before I have to split for parts north. Is that enough time to get to Juarez and back? If so, where should I go? Any help would be appreciated.
You cant get from the airport to Juarez, to a club, to a room, back across the border, and make it on time to check in for your next flight in 3 hours.

But, if you have a bonna-fide three or four hours (not including transit time), then the answer is yes. Walk across the border, go down Juarez avenue about one or two blocks, turn right and look for Hollywood, Irmas, Queens, etc. These places are a little more expensive, but IMHO worth it - particularly faustos where the women are beautiful. Just remember they will give you small change for big bills and they will take as much as you are willing to spend. The women should cost about 40 to 60 dollars - dont go for the highball price they throw out at you cause your white.

Dont be shy to walk in and walk out. Dont be shy to not buy the ugliest girl in the joint a drink - she invariably will rush right up to you the second you walk in. Dont be shy to tell the waiter who you want, even if she is with what looks like a client. Its not nice, but its a fact of life that they will usually pull the girl away from a Mexican client for an American client. Money talks.

For the Panama, continue down the street that runs parallel to Juarez avenue until you get to the street running east west on the north side of the gym, turn right and walk about 1 block past the gym to the panama on the left. If you get lost, go to the gym and look for the little restraunt on the corner. Its a whitish building and is small. The words veracruz are somewhere on the outside wall. Anyways, ask for geraldo, he speaks english.

You aint gonna find anything decent on a Monday at the cave or Laura's. But if you want to try, when your on the corner off the small restraunt, look right and youll see the cave and lauras. Or just ask geraldo.

Good luck, with a limited time frame, and since its Monday, Id recommend just swallowing the commission and taking a cab to an MP/club. Tell the cabbie that you want to go to more then one place untill you find the girl you want. Believe me, he will do it and he should do it for no more then 10 or 20 dollars. Hes going to earn about 20 to 30 bucks more on you in commissions from the MP or club. My friend, whos an american that doesnt drink or do drugs and is about 68 years old could also take you around in his van. Hes a tour guide for the truckers that come down here. He gets a commission so he'd do take you for 10...and he knows most of the Pink Lady girls pretty well. And he's damn entertaining. P.S. I dont get any money/kickback for this half-paragraph ad. Honestly trying to help you out. BTW, be careful for amigos you meet on the street, they are a good service if you have no idea where you are going, but realize they will get a commission from you just like the cabbies. I still have to yell at them when they try to walk into a joint with me claiming Im their client. Just email me at jbindc9 at hotmail.com if want the guy to pick you up at the border.

If dont mind paying 60 or more, get a cab driver to take you to the pink lady or an MP. Dont try to get there yourself if its the first time in Juarez and you only have three hours.

Jdindc9
04-12-03, 22:22
Originally posted by jdindc9
Flame away dickhead.......
Sorry, I posted this before having read your recent good posts defending mexico.

Shiny
04-13-03, 01:00
Need expert advice on "sort of monger" type scenario please.

I am going to be in the market for a new Girlfriend in a month or so. I have an image in my mind of what I am looking for...see below for pics. I like the mexican-waif-thin-slutty-semi tough type like Cyclona in Freeway 2 (but not lesbian).
I am interested in a long term monogamous relationship with her where I support her in a nice setting and in turn she fucks my brains out. No kids though.

Right now I am thinking about cruising the U.S. towns close to the border and looking for SWs...then chatting them up over lunch to find the right one. Then, if the personality fits send her blood out for testing with an HIV home test kit, etc. The problem with this scenario is that my pool of applicants is somewhat limited (since there are probably more women who don't come across the border than those who do) and also SWs on the U.S. side can get TOO skanky.

I speak pretty decent spanish but I don't look the part enough to blend in.

So...

How would you experts recommnd I go about finding such a woman?

If you know of places within the U.S. to look I am game for that too. I have looked at the maids in the complex I live in but they are all old and fat. Maybe I should check out the maids at less reputable places like motels? Not sure where else to look for waif immigrants looking for citizenship.


Thanks in advance

Shiny
04-13-03, 01:04
crap, forgot to link the pictures indicating the look I am after

http://members.cox.net/shinyhalo/cyclona.jpg

http://members.cox.net/shinyhalo/DSC00550.jpg

(two on left)

http://members.cox.net/shinyhalo/DSC00553.jpg

NICE TATTOO! Me LIKEY!

Pimelonman
04-13-03, 02:57
Originally posted by jdindc9
Amen x2 Juarez is a great place.

Man are you ever mixed up and confused!

Border Rat
04-13-03, 05:43
Wow. This board has gotten interesting in the last few months. First we get a DC immigrant who seems to now be the self-appointed minister of info for Juarez. JD, I like your posts, but leave the directions and referrals to DE. BTW, I have been going to J-town regularly since '98 and have never once heard that area referred to as Bella Vista. The colonias are always spoken of as the very poor distant suburbs. I've even had Mexicans laugh when I told then I was in the colonias. "Los gringos nunca visitan las colonias. Estabas perdidos" or something like that. And they weren't talking about the zona.

Then we get a Juarez basher who sees the glass as half empty. As EPG said, you will find what you are looking for. A newbie shouldn't expect to pop into town and get a GFE. If you know Spanish, can bust a few media naranja or listo calixto references, and treat them decent , you are in for a GFE possibly. This brings me to a question. Is there really such a thing as a GFE or are these girls actually applying for the position of GF? When they say "No use el condon, quiero tener tu bebe" I start to wonder. Should I believe their pretending to be GF? Oh hell, who cares. I just want a nut and a beer.

Then there is Dickhead. Possibly the most educated in latinos to grace this board. But, I can't help to think that your "neutral" latin affairs prof was Che Guevara :) . BTW I'm pretty sure that machismo didn't originate in Mexico. Not unless they spread it to all the other countries down there, including those without much Indigenous influences like Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, and CR. I did like your well though out ideas about it, though. The Mexicans did, however, invent mariachis, chain steering wheels, and the optimistic belief that a size 14 body CAN fit in a size 8 dress. Happy mongering to all!

Dickhead
04-13-03, 06:06
I haven't been to Chile but I've been to CR, Argentina, and Uruguay and I think there is less machismo in all those countries as compared to Méjico. But the Spaniards were in Méjico before they were in those other countries and the root causes could be similar. Or, it could be due to higher average educational levels in the other countries, since machismo has been shown to decline with educational level (sources on request). I agree the other countries have less indigenous influence but that is because they were more sparsely populated.

If you connect that to pussy , it means that 1) it is easier to fuck amateurs in CR, Argentina, and Uruguay as compared to Méjico, and 2) prostitutes are lower on the social ladder in Méjico as compared to the other countries mentioned.

ElPasoGentleman
04-13-03, 06:18
Hey jdindc9 - what type of wrestling do they have at the gym each Sunday? What type of audience do they attract? I don't suppose it's a family affair, is it?

Border Rat
04-13-03, 06:34
You're right about the level of machismo being less in the "European" latin american countries. Same about the educational levels ( but i need your sources on this :) jk . I was hoping you had researched this and could give me an answer, but I think machismo came from Spain. The Italians are pretty macho too. Mexicans seems to be more nationalistic than other countries down there. After all the fighting they did, guess they deserve that.

Dickhead
04-13-03, 06:44
Backchannel me at richardhead41 which is my hotmail account and we can continue this discussion as I cannot in good faith really link it directly to pussy.

Border Rat
04-13-03, 08:25
Yeah, I'm trying to tie this back into PUSSY eventually, thx. Having an anti- US attitude will help you get laid in MEX, but I think that is only a deal-maker or breaker. Being respectful of the girls (yeah, even the sleezy ones) will help. Giving into every moocher will not help. The girls won't respect you. It's a VERY fine line. Just pay a fair wage, get to know the girls, and don't get attached (sorry EPG :)) Have a good time. You are not the first anywhere you go and you won't be the last (as long as I am around).

TRex
04-14-03, 04:08
Originally posted by border rat
...but I think machismo came from Spain. The Italians are pretty macho too.

I've spent quite a bit of time in Italy--from the north to Sicily and many points in between--and I can personally attest to the fact that although Italian males like to pass themselves off as macho, nothing could really be further from the truth. Italian society is extremely matriarchal, and I think the term "pussy-whipped" must have an Italian root.

Now, my question to those of you know hispanic culture: is the same true of Mexico? My initial impression is that Mexican males are the real deal when it comes to machismo; but I'm only a new-comer to the scene, so I could be wrong.

DreamingEagle
04-14-03, 05:45
Originally posted by jdindc9
You cant get from the airport to Juarez, to a club, to a room, back across the border, and make it on time to check in for your next flight in 3 hours.

I tend to agree. You'd have to pull a real Houdini.

One idea if you are going to try it: when you cross the Sante Fe Bridge from El Paso Street in El Paso you will be on Avenida Juarez. Look for a restaurant on the right side of the street about four blocks south called "Tacos Lucas". You can't miss it. It's at Ignacio Mejia.

Turn left, cross the street, and on Ignacio Mejia the second door on the right side of the street is a new massage parlour called Cleopatra. It's a five minute walk from the bridge and might be your only hope of getting back to the airport on time---if the pedestrian line going back into the U.S. is short.

I should add, however, that the two times I stuck my head in the door there was not one single girl there I wanted, all not exactly gorditas but definitely not in good shape.

JROB
04-14-03, 07:31
Thanks to Deaming Eagle and JDinDC9 for the advice on my quick stop in El Paso.

With all the geo-political discussions going on I figured my little question would be lost!

I will report in next week.

RearWindow
04-15-03, 07:03
Dreaming Eagle..and the Esteemd Members

I have now been to Juarez twice in the the last year. a newbee.
And I have fallen in love with the city and it's people. On my first visit, a taxi driver (!) offered to show me the city. Ladies . donkey, etc etc. I declined and just walked around and used the WSG postings ( Thanks all) as my map/ and had my experiences, but found him the next day and went to some of the historic sites in El Centro. But his next offer was "when you come back I'll take you see the REST of Juarez.

This week I returned . We went to El Upparo. (does any one know the name of this place?) This is strictly a phonetic spelling. It is the "neighborhood" along I-10 and 85 to the east of Juarez. Dirt roads, dirt yards, dirt everywhere, abject poverty, zona guerra.

I can't explain what I have seen in words. But if you ask them, they are NOT poor. They are alive, I suppose.

God Bless Them

BorderJumper
04-16-03, 02:41
Originally posted by TRex
Italian society is extremely matriarchal, and I think the term "pussy-whipped" must have an Italian root.

Now, my question to those of you know hispanic culture: is the same true of Mexico? My initial impression is that Mexican males are the real deal when it comes to machismo;[/i]

Time to get flamed again. Here's my take on it. First TRex... Mexican society is matriarchal to the extreme also but in no way does this make the typical Mexican male "pussy whipped". They have a deep and abiding respect for their mothers. I've noticed and been told that some Mexican men don't let a day pass without taking coffee with their mothers or some other activity.. Perhaps this is why the phrase "chinga su madre" will send most men into a murderous rage.

I don't know if you can say the Mexican men are the real deal when it comes to machismo. It depends on how one defines the term. If you consider the guys strutting around centro and the zona with the gold chains aound their necks and their pants hanging down past the cheeks of their ass, with their drawers hanging out, macho, then I guess the term applies. Or, how about the guys that knock their women around to be "macho" or knock a girl up and then desert her when they find something better. Macho? Not in my NSHO! This also is a reason for the matriarchal society structure in Mexico. Unfortunately, that seems to be a national pastime in Mexico. But how about the family guys that work ther ass off six days a week, support their families and put their famileis before themselves, the quiet ones. To me these define macho in my book. And fortunately, men like these are the core of Mexican society.


Originally posted by RearWindow
I can't explain what I have seen in words. But if you ask them, they are NOT poor. They are alive, I suppose.[/i]

Except for the beggars on the streets RearWindow, you would be hard pressed to find anyone, in even the most impoverished colonia in any ciudad or puebla in Mexico to consider themselves poor. The Mexicans have a charming way of accepting what life throws at them, good or bad without complaint. I've seen and experienced this first hand. I'm glad to see you are taking the time to get to know the city away from the zona. Juarez is a fascinating place once you get away from the shit hole that is the zona. As I've said before though, the first and last impression people get when they visit Juarez is what they experience in the clubs downtown.

Okay guys, let me have it!!!1 yawwn!

TRex
04-16-03, 03:56
Borderjumper:

What you write seems the model of a reasonable assessment of Mexican culture. I'm not sure who would "flame" you here.

But at the risk of starting a controversy over semantics (why not, almost everything else has cropped up on this site the past couple weeks?!), I personally consider "macho" NOT to be a flattering term. I consider a "macho" guy someone who exhibits only superficial manly qualities; someone who relies on how he is perceived by others rather than being comfotable in his own skin; someone who will do all kinds of stupid things--no matter what the cost--to prove that he lives up to the "macho" persona.

Although Italian males may at first come across as "macho," the fact is that they are--on the whole--much too sensitive to carry this persona to its obnoxious extreme. Now it also seems to me--and please correct me if I'm wrong--that there is a large percentage of Mexican males that would defend their conception (or misconception) of "manhood" to the bitter end. You know, the type of guy who would actually attack you for replying to an off-color remark to a girl you were with. I'm not trying to be steortypical here; I'm just trying to gain some true insight into contemporary Hispanic culture, since I've become fascinated with it. I'm sure that there are many very honorable and reasonable Mexcian males who do not fit my definition of "macho." Hell, I've met a number of them since I started traveling to Juarez about 6 weeks ago! But it does seem to me that there are also quite a few really "macho" a-holes.

If I am mistaken, I'm sure the good people here will set me straight.

DreamingEagle
04-16-03, 05:12
Originally posted by TRex
Now it also seems to me--and please correct me if I'm wrong--that there is a large percentage of Mexican males that would defend their conception (or misconception) of "manhood" to the bitter end.

You are drawing cultural distinctions which simply don't exist, I think. A small percentage of the male population right here in the USA is bascially redneck and ignorant, and meaner' n' hell. The percentage seems to be about the same in Juarez. Just like here, you can avoid them totally by avoiding scum bag bars and parts of town. I don't see it has anything to do with the country.

Regarding the experience of seeing the colonia. I doubt if anyone took the time to explain that one day the people will own those plots of land. They start by marking the lot, then building a ramshackle house. If you will notice, the houses are following a progression from wood and cardboard in some cases, to more wood with a good roof, and finally to cinderblocks. Most of the people there have jobs and could pay rent in the city if they wished. But this way, one day, they will own something.

The recent forced evacuation of a large colonia in Juarez followed years of negotiation with the residents. They were told not to settle there when they settled there. They were given two years to find something else, then finally a 6 month warning. The area where you visited is one in which settlers are welcome. Here's why.

If you own a plot of land it's dollar value is greatly increased if you sub-divide it and sell it in portions. After a few years, the residents can petition the government for a mortgage. The government pays the landowner off, and the residents make small payments to the government. Thus, the landowner eventually gets more money than the land was worth as a whole, and the residents have a future. It's very possible when the colonia is totally solid the city will pave the roads and install utilities. Many neighborhoods in Juarez were once colonias.

So far from being places of simply dispair, the colonias are places of hope for thousands of people. And you called it a war zone. It's inhabited almost exclusively by families who self-patrol the colonia, and I would not want to be a thief. Crime is not high there. The fences are not for protection. They are there to clearly mark the boundries of the lot claimed. The buses also run through there making it possible to easily get into town.

http://www.juarez-mexico.com/html/taxis.html. On this page of my web site you will find a featured cab driver called Roger II whose stand is in front of El Coyote on Avenida Juarez. If he was the one, get him to tell you these things, or seek him out when you have time.

Like so many things in Mexico, you have to take the time to ferret out the truth of the situation instead of bringing your own first world perceptions into the situation and not make assumptions...

RearWindow
04-16-03, 06:44
BorderJumper et al..

Thank you for the comments to my first posting. I HAVE frequented the zona, met a few nice ladies (really),and some hombres who actually helped out with directions etc no charge. I have monitored the old WSG postings for a while, that is where I got the idea to visit Juarez.

I had no idea that I would fall in love with the city and the people, but I have.

I read a passion for the people and the city in those postings, and hopefully I'm beginning to understand why that is. This forum has been great for me, Juarez is a jewel, rough at times, but a gentle hand can reveal those brilliante facets.

Comments?

RearWindow
04-16-03, 07:07
DreamingEagle.

I don't know where to start. I agree with EVERYTHING in your post. IMHO, the colonias were amazing, sad, vibrant, and ...tore at my heart. But I think I might understand the pride there in. There are men who throw dirt in front of your car as you enter and exit. It's their job, vocation, for a peso or two. My life will never be the same.

ElPasoGentleman
04-16-03, 07:08
Once again I am intrigued by various posts here. Specifically, about "land ownership" in Mexico. I have a good friend who lives in Juarez and he and some of his family own a sizable portion of land adjacent to Juarez. The land is owned by my friends, as I mentioned; however, a large number of squatters have taken root. He is almost helpless in controlling the situation. Interestingly enough, he did not display any type of remorse or anxiety about seeing his land go to the squatters. I never did inquire more deeply about not only what was taking place but also how he felt about it.

This whole aspect of ownership has profound implications. When a person has a piece of paper that says he owns a certain portion of real estate, it is the beginning of a phenomenom more commonly known as "capitalism". In my opinion, basic ownership is the basis for a thriving economy. If you don't think that ownership has a powerful impact, just ask yourself: When was the last time you saw someone washing a rental car before returning it to the rental facility?

Buenhombre2003
04-16-03, 19:06
Interesting topics guys. Might as well throw in my 2 cents. I’ve been going to Juarez for a few years now and have discovered quite a few of the “jewels” some of you have been mentioning. When I first started going, it was usually to the strip clubs and bars in the zona. Made a lot of friends which I still have, but found the overall strip-club scene to be pretentious and shallow. Not to mention expensive. To quote one of my amigas who used to work at Ano Nuevo - “Its all just a bunch of lies, all the girls are either married or have boyfriends”. She told me horror stories about some of the waiters and girls and how they would rip-off the customers and each other.

I then started going to the mps, which certainly took care of the basic urges, and still does occasionally. However, even with the most beautiful and friendly chicas - and there are many - I felt like I wanted more than to rent the gal for a half-hour. I know that there are some who give GFS, but really, after the hot ones have been with 8 guys how real can the moaning and multiple orgasms be? (I know - what the hell is he complaining about - he’s having sex with that 19 year old for $30 - go ahead flame away).

I also frequent the cantina type bars where the chicas serve and dote on the customers - places like Dallas, Septiembre 16, Tarritos, Marlborough, Monterrey, etc. These girls are beautiful and quite friendly, but they work 6 days a week, usually until 1 or 2 AM. I did date one chica from Papillion. On our first date I expected to take her out and wine and dine her at some fancy places. She had other ideas - which didn’t include sex (damn). She picked me up and drove me to her house - somewhere deep in Juarez. Once we got there she introduced me to her two little girls and her mom. Her younger sister was also there (also very hot). It was kind of strange, all we did was visit - various neighbors would pop in and out occasionally to see the tall gringo. It was an eye opening experience - here is this family living in this 2 room shack and they couldn’t have been happier with their love for each other. These people were wealthy, not in a monetary sense, but their lives were complete. We ended the night with her showing me some cumbia moves in her cramped little parlor.

Which leads to my latest evolution: the dance clubs. This may be a no brainer to some of you guys, but it took me a while to figure it out. Latinas love to dance. Some of them have describe it to me as “almost as good as sex”. The Juarez dance clubs usually have a ratio of 60-70% women to men. More often than not I’m the only gringo in the clubs I’ve been going to and I feel pretty damn comfortable when I’m in them. I would recommend learning at least some fundamental Spanish - and without a doubt, show everyone lots of respect. Oh, it also helps to know how to move your hips! To the hombres in the cIubs I’m pretty much invisible. As for the chicas, I’ve been getting more pussy than the local animal shelter.

My usual approach is to ask a pretty gal to dance. If we click I’ll ask to join her at her table. They usually go in groups, so more often than not your obliged to dance with her friends periodically. I’ll also usually buy the drinks, which is something like $5 a bucket - I never spend more than $40 for a full night, which is what I used to drop for 2 rounds at Queens!

Some of the places I’ve been know to frequent: Rio Nilo, Bandeleros, Volcano, and El Rodeo are the high end ones. Noa Noa, Chess & Divers and Sinoloa are blue collar, but there are lots of jewels to be found. I’ve felt zero discrimination in these places. Didn’t mean to ramble so, just thought it was my turn to share.

Happy trails!!!

RearWindow
04-17-03, 03:34
I actually have met both Roger I and Roger II,at that corner. Tony (perhaps aka Rick) was the driver who offered the tour..he also works from that corner area. You are right, i didnt get the ownership aspect of la colonia from him. He actually was quite incensed that people had to live in "those conditions" while the rich enjoy the country club across the city. I suppose my view was a bit skewed by his .

From my USA perspective, they are impoverished. But having seen a bit more of the city,and now reflecting upon it,i can see how the city grows.We did go to the base of the mountain with the bible refer,and those cinderblock homes now have a paved street. And one can see how progress,albeit slow,moves along.

Tony also took me to the senior center (retirement home) on the east side. he was visiting some of the men there,and i met a man who he has said is one of the de facto historians of Juarez.in his late 80's maybe 90,very sharp.Always has a newspaper to read.is anyone familiar with him?

Sorry about the convoluted path of this post (and my others).Im trying to sort out what i think i know,and what i so obviously need to know. mi cerebro es lleno.

DreamingEagle
04-17-03, 05:06
Originally posted by Buenhombre2003
Which leads to my latest evolution: the dance clubs. This may be a no brainer to some of you guys, but it took me a while to figure it out. Latinas love to dance....

...Some of the places I’ve been know to frequent: Rio Nilo, Bandeleros, Volcano, and El Rodeo are the high end ones. Noa Noa, Chess & Divers and Sinoloa are blue collar, but there are lots of jewels to be found. I’ve felt zero discrimination in these places. Didn’t mean to ramble so, just thought it was my turn to share.

Great post! I never do anything like this, and I know I should...suppose you could provide some addresses and directions to some of these places? Noa Noa is downtown and the only one I recognized except Papillon..

Buenhombre2003
04-17-03, 17:19
Dreaming Eagle,

I don’t have the numerical addresses for these places, but I can give you a landmark description of where they are.

El Rodeo is in the first shopping center on your left when you cross over the free bridge. Its huge and get very crowded on Friday and Saturday nights - best to go early.

The Volcano is right beside Ajuja restaurant.

Bandoleros is on the road going to the airport, I’ll see if I can’t find the actual address. I like the fact that there is a drive-in motel right beside it. You can park your car in the “hidden” garage and walk over to Bandoleros - the motel is clean and relatively cheap ($25).

Rio Nilo is on the way to Zaragoza - I usually have a chica friend drive when I go here. Its also huge and gets crowded on the weekends.

Chess, Divers and Sinoloa are also on Avenida Juarez. Chess and Divers tend to cater to the younger crowds, but I’ve had no problem meeting chicas. If you are walking over the Santa Fe bridge going South, you will see it on the left-hand side in the same block that the Yankee club is in - it looks like a big chess board. Right across the street is Divers - it looks like one of the teen clubs, but they usually have an incredible cumbia band playing there.

Continue down the road to Senior Fogs on the left - right after this doorway you’ll hear the music and usually see a bunch of the waiters hanging outside the place, that where you’ll find Sinoloa.

I also forgot to mention Valentinos. This is out in Zaragoza at the end of the main road - Don’t worry about finding it, the Zaragoza main drag is small and its the biggest club out there. I haven’t been there for a while, but the last time I went on a Thursday night it was loaded with horny chicas. I don’t know if they still do it, but Thursdays used to be male dancer night. They would bus in 100’s of gals from around Juarez for a male dance show - then let guys in after the show. Talk about priming the pump!

SeattleGym
04-17-03, 18:25
Originally posted by Buenhombre2003
Which leads to my latest evolution: the dance clubs. This may be a no brainer to some of you guys, but it took me a while to figure it out. Latinas love to dance. Some of them have describe it to me as “almost as good as sex”. The Juarez dance clubs usually have a ratio of 60-70% women to men. More often than not I’m the only gringo in the clubs I’ve been going to and I feel pretty damn comfortable when I’m in them. I would recommend learning at least some fundamental Spanish - and without a doubt, show everyone lots of respect. Oh, it also helps to know how to move your hips! To the hombres in the cIubs I’m pretty much invisible. As for the chicas, I’ve been getting more pussy than the local animal shelterI have to say that @ 37 I just might feel a bit out of place (beyond being a gringo that speaks little spanish, but it's getting better). About 6 years ago I would hit the dance clubs here in Seattle, and found that I was quickly becomming the old guy.

What is the average age of the hombres in these clubs, and if you dont mind me asking, your age. I like to dance, and am also a tall gringo (play basketball & w/o on a regular basis), but not sure I would fit into a club with alot of 20 somethings (unless they were mostly chicas)... anywere.

Thanks, Jim

TjMax
04-17-03, 18:42
Great post Bueehombre!!!!

So how long does the process take from linkup at the disco to the animal shelter????

Any simular experiance in GDL or Morelia???

-Max



Originally posted by Buenhombre2003
Which leads to my latest evolution: the dance clubs. This may be a no brainer to some of you guys, but it took me a while to figure it out. Latinas love to dance. Some of them have describe it to me as “almost as good as sex”. The Juarez dance clubs usually have a ratio of 60-70% women to men. More often than not I’m the only gringo in the clubs I’ve been going to and I feel pretty damn comfortable when I’m in them. I would recommend learning at least some fundamental Spanish - and without a doubt, show everyone lots of respect. Oh, it also helps to know how to move your hips! To the hombres in the cIubs I’m pretty much invisible. As for the chicas, I’ve been getting more pussy than the local animal shelter.

Happy trails!!!

DreamingEagle
04-18-03, 03:35
I put a new forum software on my Juarez Mexico Tour Guide site today. (http://www.juarez-mexico.com.)

You guys would really be helping me out if you would do a couple of things:

1. Take a minute to register and leave a message under "Restaurants" or "Nightlife" or something to get the ball rolling; please DON'T say anything about mongering on this forum; and, more
importantly...

2. Tell me if you like the interface, because I am going to be opening the Men's Guide to Juarez web site real soon! :) :) It will definitely have a Member's Only Discusion Forum.

Nothing will ever replace the WSG, but, what the heck, a forum dedicated to Juarez might be useful, too.

*Free* future membership and free coupons to both Sirina's and Marilyn's *right now* to any who help me out here.

Dickhead
04-18-03, 03:44
Okay, Eagle, I did that and posted some BS about apartments. I found this typo:

"The author of this site has spend over 300 days and nights in the city"

that you may want to correct (should be "has SPENT").

I thought the interface was fine but WTF do I know?

DreamingEagle
04-18-03, 05:34
Originally posted by Dickhead
Okay, Eagle, I did that and posted some BS about apartments. I found this typo:

"The author of this site has spend over 300 days and nights in the city"

that you may want to correct (should be "has SPENT").

I thought the interface was fine but WTF do I know?

Thanks, on both counts, man. Typos like that are impossible to catch since the spell checker is oblivous to them. Estoy agradecida!

Buenhombre2003
04-18-03, 19:54
TjMax:

The time between the disco and el sexo really depends on the chica. I’ve had one gal cumming in her pants in the club, due to heavy petting in the bench - but, this is the exception. I usually get their number or give them mine and set up a date for the following week. Its obvious Juarez can be dangerous for the chicas, so they tend to be leery of new friends (wisely so). After you’ve earned their trust- this could take a few dates - be ready for some of the most passionate sex of your life. Now the drawbacks to meeting girls like this is they expect you to be their loyal boyfriend. I’ve tried to explain to them that I like to have lots of amigas, and not novias. They say this is fine, but you don’t kiss amigas on the lips!

As far as going to dance clubs in other cities, yes I have. Last summer I went to some of the dance clubs in Acapulco and all I can say is “oh my god”. They were heaven. The way it works down there is you pay one price - roughly $20 - to get into the clubs. This price includes the entertainment and all you can drink (you call it). There were way more girls in these clubs than guys & they were all pretty much drunk. Now these beach chicas are a different animal - they may be somewhat reserved in their home town, but on vacation at the beach they act pretty wild and uninhibited. Again, and I can’t stress this enough; they just love to dance and there always seems to be a conspicuous shortage of men. Anyway, there was no need to pay for sex on that vacation. Unless you include the occasional meal or drinks.

I also went to Guanajuato last summer. Its not as wild, but the dance clubs are lively and you have lots of Mexican tourists and students dying to try out their English on an American. Very lovely city.

I even tried a few dance clubs in DF. And while the people were friendly, they seemed to have a unique style of dance that I couldn’t seem to figure out.
Zacatecas also has some fun clubs. One of their discos in a mine & you have to ride a little cable car to get to it. Funny, the young Mexicans love American music.

I’ve even had a blast in the clubs in Chihuahua.

I’m planning on going to Morelia this summer to take a Spanish immersion course. I’ve heard nothing but good things about this city. Can’t wait to get there!!!!

Buenhombre2003
04-18-03, 19:57
Seattlegym - Too old for the dance clubs at 37? PLEASE!!!! Your just a puppy! I like to tell the gals I’m two years younger than Mel Gibson (45).

I look younger - thanks to lifting weights and lots of aerobic exercise. I’m 6’1” & weight 185 - just to give you an accurate picture. The Mexican girls seem very conscious of looks, but don’t seem as concerned with age like their American counterparts. Now I’m not picking up 20 year old supermodels, but I’m very happy with an attractive 26-30 something-year old woman. And there are lots of them to be found. A lot of these girls have had some tough breaks - but this doesn’t make them depressed. A fatalistic attitude seems to be a major part of the culture. They seem to expect things to go poorly, i.e., they get stuck with responsibility of bringing up the kids, poor wages, corrupt government, cops, etc. So when a nice guy comes along and treats them with respect, they are more than happy to form a real friendship, regardless of a persons age.

Anyway, I ramble, don’t worry about fitting in or being attractive to these gals. Many of the ones who I hang with say they hate the macho men - and they are out there. I get a kick watching some of these guys on the dance floor. They start grabbing the chica all over and somehow expect the chica to find this attractive. I’m not exaggerating this. Go to El Patio dance club and watch for yourself - its almost comical.

These chicas may not make much money, but they have an enormous sense of pride and dignity. If you show them respect and kindness you will have more amigas than you can handle. (Being tall & having muscles doesn’t hurt either) :> And don’t forget to keep working on your Spanish - its a necessity in these clubs.

Peace

Buenhombre2003
04-18-03, 20:08
Hey DreamingEagle, great looking site! Just registered. Man, it must have taken forever to set that up!

Good work!

WS6
04-19-03, 01:08
Wow, that is a good looking forum! I'll help out with the spanish when I see something that is wrong, as in agradecido, not agradecida. AgradecidA is what your favoritA is when you give her a big tip. No pun intended!

TRex
04-19-03, 03:53
Dreaming Eagle:

I, too, have to concur that your discussion forum on the Juarez guide looks great! Actually, the whole site looks great (and I like the revisions you've made to the museum section). I added a restaurant review of El Herrador, which I visited last Saturday. Everything seems to be working as it should--I tried out the smilely faces, and they even worked! I'll add some other posts in the future, as I usually have an opinion on everything I experience. Your review of Frida's is extremely well done; and although it is probably a bit trendy for my usual tastes, I'm going to have to check it out soon.

Buenhombre:

Your posts are extremely informative and interesting. I like the trend we've seen here over the past two weeks, getting into the socio-cultural aspects of Mexico. As a newcomer, I'm learning a lot. Some of the stereotypes we NORTH Americans have are deeply ingrained. Of course, as several have already pointed out, in addition to expanding our cultural horizons, these cultural asides can't hurt in our quest for pussy!

As for the dance scene...alas, I fear I'm a bit too short (5'10"), too heavy (200 lbs.), too impatient, and too much of an earlybird to see any potential there. I evny you guys who are all the things I am not...so keep providing those updates on the "no-pay-for-play" action. As for me...right now I'm thrilled to death (and it may actually kill me yet!) with the mps. I've actually been seen smiling since discovering Juarez!

ElPasoGentleman
04-19-03, 06:51
I'll admit a number of gals like the taller men. But there are probably an equal amount who just don't give a shit about the height. I'm 5'7" and my steady chica has told me several times, she is really into the emotional and sentimental stuff. So TRex - don't be too hard on yourself or prejudge your appearance.

I, too, used to get a little apprehensive at what the gals thought of me with my "smaller" stature and the fact that my hair is completely silver. I do look youthful and somewhat athletic, however, so that helps, I think.

My negative thoughts about myself were dispelled awhile back when - after making out for an hour or more, and observing how she was writhing around and clinging onto me with more and more fervor - I slowly reached down in between her legs and she was dripping wet like she was the second Niagra Falls. Believe me, I felt great and truly realized that her "sentimental and emotional" state had really worked its way down to that sweet fountain of passion in between her legs. At that moment, I could have been 4' 6" tall and she would not have cared. Further more, I am twice her age and she simple won't let me say I'm "old". She likes it that way.

I do treat her like a queen without a lot of putting on the dog.
And it's good to experience this. I know many relationships start that way and end up stale and indifferent. But we are enjoying it for the moment. And time will take care of itself.

I'm enjoying all the posts. And I'm really glad to see a lot of sensible ramblings. I mean - these gals got pussy and they want us to have it and they want what we have - but it's not demeaning to treat them like a lady.

Have a safe and happy weekend!!!

TRex
04-19-03, 18:12
ElPasoGentleman:

Thanks for your words of encouragement. I know what you say is true--for the most part--about women and their perception of men. I was perhaps a little unclear in my earlier comments, however. I'm perfectly fine with who I am and how I look. Although I'm 43, I'm still in good shape (although I'd like to shed about 10 lbs...which is not too bad, considering many guys my age could stand to lose 25 lbs+), and I have all my hair. I just know that I've never been all that attractive to women. But I've gotten my fair share (or close to it) during the times in my life when I've been confident--I believe that is the key.

As for your point about how to treat women: I wholeheartedly agree. Anyone ever read any of the books from George MacDondal Fraser's _Flashman_ series? If you haven't, you're missing out. It's about a Victorian era scondrel and womanizer who fornicates his way through one adventure after another. There's one passage in one of the books in which Flashman says that, as he sees it, the secret to dealing with women is to treat a ***** like a princess and a princess like a *****. In addition to being clever, I think there's some degree of truth in that!

Anyway, the point I really want to make about the dance scene was that it would probably take too much work for someone like me, who, in his old age, does not possess the patience or stamina to try to woo young ladies while dancing the night away. I WISH I possessed these things; and I truly admire those who are my age or older who do. Buenhombre is correct that it's a pleasure to get something more out of a relationship than renting a girl for a half hour. But, all things considered, the "rental" options is not too shabby either! To have a beautiful girl in her twenties--even for a half hour--for a guy my age seem more within the realm of fantasy than reality. As Dreaming Eagle once put it, when you come out the MP and into the nearly blinding sun, you wonder whether what you've just experienced was real or just a dream.

Enough about me! I'm interested to hear updates and perspectives on all the Juarez action.

Buenhombre2003
04-20-03, 20:26
El Paso Gentleman tiene razon (is right). I didn’t mean to imply that height was a prerequisite to attracting the chicas. I was just responding to a comment by SeattleGym and relaying some of my own personal experiences . But, the reality is; as long as you act like a decent ****** and have confidence, you will always be successful in meeting gals in Mexico.

Last night I was in Sinoloa Saloon and spotted my first gringo! I wondered if it might have been one of you guys, and intended to say hi, but was a little preoccupied with my new found friends. This dude was white-haired and appeared to be pushing 60, but he had style. It was apparent that he was fluent in Spanish and without a doubt had the right attitude. He’d approach the chicas with a brilliant smile - I didn’t see him get shot down once & some of the chicas look to be in their 20’s. I didn’t hurt that the guy could dance like the devil!

As for my evening : while I was scoping out the chicas, 3 ladies came in and sat down at the table next to mine. Two of them were cute, in fact one of them looked (at least in my opinion) like Jennifer Lopez with tits. Initially the music was rancheros & corridas - stuff that I’ll dance to but I prefer cumbias. Finally the band played a cumbia & I asked Jennifer, AKA Irma to dance - at first she hesitated, then smile and said “seguro que si” (sure). After dancing a session we continued to talk and as it turns out her and her friends thought I was presumido (stuck-up) because I hadn’t made and attempt to talk to them or ask them to dance earlier - the just figured this was an American trait. I mention this point because it shows that many of the chicas have just as many preconceived notions and stereotypes about Americans as we do about them. Most of the chicas I have met have never had an American amigo - but they seem to find our culture and “foreigness “ as exotic and titillating (no pun intended) as we find their’s. All three of these girls were professionals - lawyer, teacher (primario) and a nurse -yet, as the evening went on they continued to ask me about perceived Americanisms, such as “Don’t most Americans dislike Mexico”. My favorite was from Irma, she said she had heard that Americans weren’t very carinoso (affectionate) - This was one myth that I think I successfully put to rest before the evening was over!
So guys, I guess what I’m trying to say is its our job to dispel these negative stereotypes. The benefits of playing goodwill ambassadors is gobs of beautiful and affectionate chicas!

DreamingEagle
04-20-03, 21:06
This is turning into one of the best forums I have ever participated in. I'm here at the River-Net Internet Cafe at the Rio Grande Mall, and I just can't believe the thoughtful posts we are getting. So much better than lots of the crude insensitive kinds of posts I have seen on monger forums in the past. I'm really pleased to be associated with you guys, even if it's just a forum. Some of you are really making me rethink my policy of avoiding other Americans while in Mexico...:)

RearWindow
04-20-03, 23:47
Perhaps the reason that this forum has become so civilized (in comparison) is that it looks like "we" all seem to have a great respect for the people we meet, the relationships we forge, and so the posts read as such.

Add to that the unexplainable attraction to la ciudad.

I have found myself giving the girls a longer massage than i get, because Lord knows THEY deserve it.

This is a fabulous forum,DE et al. Thank you!

TRex
04-21-03, 03:39
Well, I knew it would happen sooner or later. This Saturday my weekly trip to Juarez was pretty much a debacle. I started out by checking out the Juarez market for the first time--which was actually very cool. But this was the high point of my visit. Since I had been to Marilyn's something like 8 times over the past four weeks, I decided to try some place new. So I took a bus to Hipermart to see what Loryed's was like. Well, they had about 7 girls working there, but they were either very heavy or very old. I asked if Denise was working, but I was informed she was on "vacation." Okay, so back to the bus stop.

I had intended to go to Corpus, since it's received some favorable reviews; but as luck would have it, the bus I got on headed back to el Centro by way of Hermanos Escobar, so I decided instead to try Brenda's. When I arrived I asked for Marisol (since she'd gotten good press here), but she was not there (the look given me by the matron when I asked for her seemed to indicate she hadn't been there for a while?). There were only a couple girls working, and neither of them anything special; but there was a short little, energetic gal called Carolina (about a 6 1/2) who appeared to be worth a chance. It was kind of early, and since I wanted to kill as much time as I could before dinner time, I decided to pay the $30 for a one-hour session.

Well, at first I was please that Carolina was talkative. I'm at the beginners' stage of learning Spanish, and there's no better way to learn a new language than by making small talk with a woman. Anyway, she gave a me a massage for a bit, then told me to turn over so we could get down to business. Soon she started to give me a bbbj; then stopped and told me that the fee I paid up front was "no incluido" but that for $10 she was continue with what she was doing. Well, if I'd been thinking at all, I'd have gotten dress and demanded my money back. However...you guessed it...the little guy had taken control of my brain center. I though "what the hell...I'll go along and just not give the conniving ***** a propina." So, I told her to continue. After a while, she said something to the effect (at least, so I thought...I was only getting about 25% of what she said), that she would give me a really good fuck for $20. In hindsight, I think she might have been saying that it would be $20 (i.e. $10 in addition to the bj) for the other half of full service. Well, I didn't know how to respond; so I told her "no entiendo" but motioned for her climb on top of the table with me, and we got down to business.

Well, she was very active in trying to please. However, a number of things started to tick me off. First, she wanted to change postions about every 3 minutes. Second, she never shut up; what I thought was a learning opportunity turned out to just be annoying. And finally, about 15 minutes into the session, when she was on her back, she turned her head back to look at the clock on the wall, and then announced that we had just 5 minutes left! I told her that she was mistaken; that I'd paid for an hour. But she replied that if I wanted to continue what we were doing, I'd have to pay her more. This conversation taking place while I'm 6-inches into her! I didn't feel like arguing (who would at that particular moment!), so I finished up, headed for the (cold!) shower, and started to get dressed. Before I'd finished dressing, she's asked me twice to pay her, but I made her wait. I handed her a ten; but she promptly replied that I owed her 20. I displayed my disapproval, but, again, I didn't feel like arguing since my Spanish is so weak, so I paid her. After all, I suppose I did agree to that sum by motioning for her to jump up on me.

Bottom line: this was my first experience in the MPs where I've felt like I was hustled. In the other places I've visited (Marilyn's, Sirena's, and Le Petit), the girls never tried to offer extra services for extra pay; they never watched the clock; and I've never felt rushed in the least. And although I'm a relatively newbie, I do get the impression that a guy should not be paying $50 at a place like Brenda's for anything less than Shikira (or HTF you spell her name)! So it will be a while before I go back to Brenda's. And as for Carolina: that "puta pequena" can fuck herself in the future! (Please note: I would never dream of refering to any of the other pretty young things I've been with in the other MPs as a "puta". They have all been very sweet and charmingly shy). I will tell you this: if I ever hear "no incluido" in the future, I'm running straight to the manager no matter what position I'm in.

Still, I'm hard pressed to complain. One bad experience in 2 months is a pretty good record. Live and learn.

Anyone else had similar problems at Brenda's or any of the other MPs? This would be valuable information!

Tallboy
04-21-03, 17:22
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DreamingEagle: I put a new forum software on my Juarez Mexico Tour Guide site today. (http://www.juarez-mexico.com.). You guys would really be helping me out if you would do a couple of things: 1. Take a minute to register and leave a message under "Restaurants" or "Nightlife". 2. Tell me if you like the interface [QUOTE].


DE, Great site and the hard work behind it is obvious. Looks very professional too. Keep up the good work!. Some improvements that could be made to this site are:

1. Reducing the time taken to register. The only problem I have noticed with this software is that it doesn't differentiate the typo errors either in "bold" or "red" (When we retype the e-mail address or password if there is a diffrence between the first typed password and reconfirmed password, the error will be highlighted in most softwares).

2. Providing a seperate box to register in the first page on the left side along with other dropdown boxes with the columns Home, Downtown, Shopping, Restaurents, Nightlife, Hotels, Transporatation, More info, Online store, Discussion forum and Contact me (Instead of letting the members to wonder where is the box that says "Register here" which is of course in the discussion forum).

Awaiting for the opening of the "M Guide to Juarez". Thanks.

SeattleGym
04-21-03, 18:46
Originally posted by Buenhombre2003
Seattlegym - Too old for the dance clubs at 37? PLEASE!!!! Your just a puppy! I like to tell the gals I’m two years younger than Mel Gibson (45).Thanks so much for all the info. It seems I may have found a combination that works for me... MP during the day, take the edge of ;) and a dance club in the evening.

Any enviroment that has more girls to guys, and encourages "nice guys" that's for me. All I wanted to do at the "The Cave" ect. was to get laid, drink, and flirt...

Now I'll just hit a MP, go out dancing and have a beer or 3, and flirt with some young ladies...

~SeattleGym (now with more incentive to work on my spanish)

Juarez Defender
04-21-03, 22:08
Hello to all,

I will be in Juarez soon. The only MP I visit is Venus (I know is more expensive) because it is always a sure thing you will find something you like.

I want to graduate to the Strip Clubs or at least to say I did it. I know where Jokers, Phantoms, and Amadeus are. Any advice on this clubs and the price ranges? I will post as much information as I can gather on my next post regarding the three clubs.

DreamingEagle: thanks for your Juarez forum, I already posted there.

Trex: Good to see you here.

Juarez Defender

RearWindow
04-22-03, 04:37
Trex,

I can sympathize with the "I knew it would happen...". I have been to Casa Colorado(sp) both times of my visits,.The first i was with Lauda. 24. tight, VERY affectionete. REALLY GFE. I found her again this trip, which is unusual apparently, she is now a madre, very recently, and was not the same woman I remembered.

Obviously, I realize being a mother is daunting to any of these girls, and she is different, not as friendly, I probably overpaid, but I dont regret it. She was surprised that I looked for her again. And I'll probably try to find her each time I go back. A Beautiful woman.

A question for all. My biggest problem is the language. Are there some different dialects or slang out there? My spanish this time is a LOT better than my first,but my listening skills are WAAAAAAY behind my basic conversational skills. (and skills is generous). I do the Alta/babelfish site,which is great,but could use some suggestions, besides obviously, find la mujer and just talk!

DreamingEagle
04-22-03, 14:56
Originally posted by TRex
Well, at first I was please that Carolina was talkative. I'm at the beginners' stage of learning Spanish, and there's no better way to learn a new language than by making small talk with a woman. Anyway, she gave a me a massage for a bit, then told me to turn over so we could get down to business. Soon she started to give me a bbbj; then stopped and told me that the fee I paid up front was "no incluso" but that for $10 she was continue with what she was doing.

Carolina is a real pain in the butt. My first session with her was hot, so hot none of that crap came up. I even gave her my home address and invited her to come over the next weekend. The second time, however, that mouth started running as you described with all of the upselling. I had to gently tell her, "Hey, no mas hablando..." My housekeeper said no small girls have been knocking on the door, so hopefully she lost the address and will never show up. I sure don't plan to go back to see her again.

Kdog
04-23-03, 03:59
Juarez Defender,

I have been to Amadeus and Joker. Both are worth visiting. The major problem at Joker is there is a serious lack of parking at peak times. I've not stopped before just because there was no parking. Fortunately, Amadeus is nearby. I prefer Amadeus, because the club is nicer and, the times I went, the women were more beautiful. These clubs are nothing like the ones near the border. They are similar to the US clubs, but you can do a little more in the VIP room for a little less money. I don't think full service is possible in the VIP, but I may be wrong. You can definitely negotiate meeting the women after their shift is over, but many will say no (some have boyfriends, husbands, children to get home to, etc.). I had one say "yes", then when I returned at 1 AM, she changed her mind. I think her boyfriend was about to drive her home. She seemed very nervous about me being there.

If you're looking for full service, these clubs might frustrate you. If you're looking for beautiful and friendly women, you'll have a good time. Either way, it's a great starting point for a night out. After having a few beers at Amadeus, the border area is a little more tolerable.

To all gringos visiting these high-end clubs, please keep the prices low. The women are beautiful and they want $200-$300 to go to your hotel. If we keep saying no to those prices, they might come down. I always say no (in result, I've never taken one home, but hopefully they know my position and will come down with their prices in the future). I think $100-$150 is reasonable since they are very high quality women.

Border Rat
04-23-03, 06:58
Re: Strip Clubs in Juarez......I never really liked them, as I felt the girls there were always nice looking, but well aware of that fact and overcharged. Good advice KDOG on the "just say no" for keeping prices down, but there is always some fool that skews the whole concept. IMO these dancers don't have the same leverage they do in the states. We can always go to EL Centro for more economical action. But even the strip clubs there are a rip-off IMO. Unless you like the dancing.

Re: Meeting regular girls at dance clubs.....I've done that, in fact I did that for a year in Juarez before I became a hobbyist. Sure these girls are easy by any standards, but they are very fickle. If you are looking for a steady, you are in trouble. Latinas are very promiscuis (sp?) , yet they usually think they are in love when they are having sex. In other words, they fall fast. They could be in love with you today, but they are SO IN LOVE WITH PABLO tomorrow. It's like a MX friend of mine says, there are 3 kinds of women ( virgins, *****z, and my mother.) I hate to be so dichotic, but that is how they are viewed. The good girls are usually no where near the gringos. I have had some luck with girls in the market. Either cutting hair or clerks. For me its tough to maintain relations across the border, though. I just cannot trust a girl that doesn't have jack squat. Hate to sound crude, but the disparity in incomes is always an issue. If I'm going to date, I'll do it with El Paso girls.

Re: Getting a GFE everytime....IMO it's all about making contacts with the girls. Some of the best times I've had came from me remembering something about the girl. Such as a her fav drink, her name, nickname etc. I bat about .500 for a GFE in a bar first time with girl, but second time close to 1.000. OF course I pick my pitches...lol. For the MP's, never had a GFE first time and have never had a repeat. I think in the bars you can get to know the girl a little and crack a few jokes. Get her loosened up. Thinking back, one of the best times I had was at the Colorado with a girl I had at an MP a month earlier. I remembered her middle name. She went crazy and we had the best time. I'm sure you can have this at the MP's but you pretty much have to go to the room to get to know them.

Buen ******...nice posts..you have a great attitude..yeah la mina in zacatecas is fun, I lived about 5 blocks from there last summer for 2 months...did you make it to the zona in zac? Morelia is great, the colonial downtown is magnificent..it's more conservative there as far as mongering, but the dance scene is alive and well. Have fun!

TRex
04-24-03, 02:32
originally posted by juarez defender
hello to all,

the only mp i visit is venus (i know is more expensive) because it is always a sure thing you will find something you like

juarez defender (nice handle, by the way): can you tell us some more about venus? i'm trying to at least peek into all the mps i've seen given high marks here. i passed by venus last weekend, but didn't go in because i've read that it is expensive. exactly how much do they charge now? and what does the place look like: i wouldn't mind paying a little extra if the facilities are nicer than the norm.

also, how many pretty girls do they usually have working there (i only consider 7s or above)? do you recommend anyone in particular?

dreaming eagle: you certainly are a gentleman, and i can see why you do so well with the ladies. when carolina was giving me the shaft (i prefer it the other way around), i was reaching for my phrase book to see if "shut the fuck up" was listed. but you're right, "no mas hablando" is much more tactful. and yes, despite what we've said, i do agree that that "zorra pequena" certainly can fuck!

DreamingEagle
04-24-03, 06:16
Originally posted by TRex
Dreaming Eagle: you certainly are a gentleman, and I can see why you do so well with the ladies. When Carolina was giving ME the shaft (I prefer it the other way around), I was reaching for my phrase book to see if "shut the fuck up" was listed. But you're right, "no mas hablando" is much more tactful. And yes, despite what we've said, I do agree that that "zorra pequena" certainly can fuck!

"Ciera tu boca" is "shut your mouth", and, if irritated, "cayate!" (phoenetic spelling) is what my girlfriend used to say to her little kids. "No mas hablando" didn't really work for long with Carolina, however. "Tu ares muy amable" she said while I was doing her from behind. "Un tigre!"

I think that girl is just going to talk whether she is hustling you or fucking you or whatever. I'll just bet you she is that way watching television or whatever she is doing. I would suspect any man with her would never have much quiet time.

Regarding Venus, I've heard $45 and $50 quoted. I have been there when they had three model quality girls and stopped by when they had nothing but fatties. It really is the luck of the draw in the MPs, isn't it? Does not seem to matter which one you choose---except for Marilyn which has consistently had that dynamic trio for the past few weeks---nor if it's a $20 or $50 place.

The only solution is know where a bunch of them are located and stay on the move until you find what you want...

DreamingEagle
04-24-03, 06:28
I may have solved the transportation problem for you guys who need to hop MPs until you find something. Goto http://www.juarez-mexico.com/html/Bin5/recommended_drivers.html and check out the photo of ROGER II. He holds forth at the corner by the El Coyote Restaurant on Av. Juarez.

I told him Saturday I could bring him some business if he would offer a $15 an hour hourly rate with a 1 hour minimum. The whole idea is to tour the MPs, starting with Marilyn's, then proceeding along Montes De Oca, stopping at LePetit and then Genesis. If nothing there, proceeding to 16 de Septiembre and going towards downtown to Corpus and then Felinas on Jose Borunda. If nothing there, then north on Panama to Sirena's, El Cantanto, Brendas, and finally Venus.

You ain't never going to get that far!

By next Sunday he will have the exact route to follow written out---a route which you may change to suit your preferences, but the rate is $15 an hour with a one hour minumum.

He will 1) not go in; 2) not hang around or come back for you unless you request it (at the $15 an hour price, of course, which I don't recommend because you can get back easy enough without paying him to hang around and wait); and 3) will be damn glad you sought him out since he's only getting 1 or 2 fares a day these days...

So for 15 bucks you guys who don't know your way around are pretty much guaranteed of finding a 7 or 8 to spend some time with---within an hour.

Let me know if this works out for you, and treat Roger right. He'll treat you right. Print out that page and take it with you so he knows where you came from...he will not crawfish around if he knows you found him through my web site.

I will be trying to work out this same deal with some of the other drivers on that page.

Dickhead
04-24-03, 17:54
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DreamingEagle
[i]"Ciera tu boca" is "shut your mouth",

"Cierra la boca." In Spanish, things like body parts and clothing are referred to impersonally. You don't say, "I washed my face"; you say "I washed the face," "I took off the jacket," etc.

and, if irritated, "cayate!" (phoenetic spelling)

"cállate," but this is pretty rude.

is what my girlfriend used to say to her little kids. "No mas hablando"

"No hables más." That is the negative familiar command. The gerund, or present participle, (-ing) is used much more rarely in Spanish. For instance, where we might say, "Reading is good," they would use the infinitive, "leer," and not the progressive, "leyendo." (To read is good). So, they would not say, "No more talking," but rather "Don't talk more."

didn't really work for long with Carolina, however. "Tu ares muy amable"

"Tu eres"

If this gal talks too much, why not just shove your dick in her mouth? That ought to shut her up.

Dickhead

Jdindc9
04-24-03, 19:56
Originally posted by border rat
Wow. This board has gotten interesting in the last few months. First we get a DC immigrant who seems to now be the self-appointed minister of info for Juarez. JD, I like your posts, but leave the directions and referrals to DE. BTW, I have been going to J-town regularly since '98 and have never once heard that area referred to as Bella Vista.
Misspelling on my part, its BellaVista. BellaVista is where you've been going for the last four years. Maybe you never bothered to ask?