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Moscow Expat
05-16-02, 14:26
I'd like to start a topic on best and worst providers readers have experienced in Moscow. I will start with my personally favorite provider, who consistently delivers even more than expected: http://www.rusalki.org, which used to be http://dsg.4u.ru.

Who else wants to make any recommendations?

Explorer8939
05-16-02, 17:58
$100 an hour? Caramba!


Originally posted by Moscow Expat
I'd like to start a topic on best and worst providers readers have experienced in Moscow. I will start with my personally favorite provider, who consistently delivers even more than expected: http://www.rusalki.org, which used to be http://dsg.4u.ru.

Timmy21
05-16-02, 18:40
I think the cost is $150 for the night. The girls are nice looking and all very short.

Moscow Expat
05-17-02, 09:31
Explorer8939:

It depends on how you measure it. Like timmy21, I also usually measure on a per night basis when it's a home delivery since I find 1-hour is about just enough time to learn the girl's name and what she is about. On the nightly basis, the prices there range from $100-$150 depending on the girl, which I think is ok, but it's their performance which pushes it over the top for me.

Timmy21
05-17-02, 10:01
Expat, my two favorites on the site are Nastya and Inga, Nastya is a little doll, have you been with either of those two?

Moscow Expat
05-17-02, 16:04
timmy21:

When we are down to specificity of the individual characteristics of particular girls, I would feel more comfortable talking about that in private email. You can ask me again at: moskvaexpat@yahoo.com

ChicagoBoy23
05-18-02, 04:49
Headed to Moscow in 1 month. Just for the weekend. What is better - head to night flight and bring her back or just hire someone already in the hotel bar.

Not sure I want to argue with hotel security to get girl in.

How much should I expect to pay for the night?

CA Traveler
05-24-02, 17:07
Chicago boy... No one seems to want to answer your questions, so I'll try to help you out.

No experience with hotel girls, but regarding NF... If you don't mind spending $300 or more for 1-1.5 hours, by all means go straight to NF. The girls are very nice, but also very much the pro. If you want a nice girl without travelling all over the city, go to Chesterfields(Boarhouse). The girls are also great, but you'll only pay about $100-$150 for the NIGHT(some people say $50 will do, but I never found one at that price). When I was in Moscow, the guys I was with preferred CF over NF because it was a more realistic experience. OTOH, NF girls are all working. At CF, you'll have working girls and regular girls partying all night.

About the hotel, my experience is limited to the Marriott, I had no problems with security. I was told that you could bring girls in, but if they left your room alone before a reasonable hour in the morning, you would get a telephone call from security asking if all was well. So, if she doesn't stay all night, you'll have to escort her out past security so they'll know you're not upstairs in your room lying face down in a pool of blood. I've been told that most of the western hotels have this policy, but I don't know for sure.

Boofer
05-27-02, 13:35
CA traveller,

Great info, yet, what is your experiance with Safari lounge? I found it to be great to have all the food, striptease and chicks in one place. how do you rate this place in comparisson to Chesterfield?

CA Traveler
05-27-02, 21:20
boofer, I've only been to the Safari Lounge once. The dancers were beautiful, although I'm not a real lapdance junkie. Of course, it's pretty hard to go wrong with a 100 RUB lapdance! The WG in the place were cute, but not nearly up to the standards of the dancers and they were actually a little too professional for my tastes. The food was good, but you don't get a break on the lounge entrance fee like at NF.

So, overall I think that SF lounge is a definite 'destination' spot if you are really into lap dancing, but 'not worth a detour' if you're only looking for a GFE for the night.

|TheHunter|
05-28-02, 10:12
lolitalover>> there are nice girls around 18, so dont go hunting children! make some money sickhead and try a real russian beauty instead of going after the cheap [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900).

everyone>> does someone know where the best street scene is in the baltic countries/russia/finland?

/cheers

Moscow Expat
05-28-02, 11:35
PLEASE DON'T go paying $300 for 1-1.5 hours for Night Flight girls when you visit Moscow! The Cartel will only lift the price for those of us that live here! At Night Flight, depending on the time of evening when the transaction occurs and the quality of girl, prices will vary from $200 (and around 3-4am some girls will drop to $150) to $300 FOR THE ENTIRE NIGHT.

(CA traveler, you must be confusing NF girls with VIP escorts which do charge $300+/hr in Moscow.)

My old broken record: there's little reason to pay more than __$125__ per night for a girl in Moscow unless you are clearly getting something different than the norm (which for Moscow is high as it is).

Moscow Expat
05-28-02, 11:48
A comment on The Boar House (was Chesterfield's):

You will definitely find both WG and free girls there. Many expats especially like it. But...

if I were to rank ONLY club girls (including WG) in Moscow from 1-10, the girls in CF would get a 2-3. Almost every decent club (I'm not including the Hungry Duck) in Moscow has WG which are more attractive than the ones at the Boar House. If you don't believe me, go check it out for yourself! The Boar House is a nice place to get smashed with other foreigners, but in the sex department, it's not value for the money in my opinion (since for a little bit more elsewhere, you can get vastly better quality).

[And I'm not just saying this because I got hit up in the Boar House for $100/night by a 3-4/10 deaf-mute who accosted me when I wouldn't agree, either....]

|TheHunter|
05-28-02, 14:14
Have anyone tried the street scene in Moscow? Price/Looks Plz.
If im planning to go to east for some action at brothels, what would you recommend Tallinn or St.Petersburg/Moscow?

/SWEDE

CA Traveler
05-28-02, 20:02
Expat... I certainly defer to your many experiences in Moscow and at NF. However, the Saturday night I was at NF, I didn't find a single WG offering less than $300 for a short time. This was far more than I'd been led to believe the going price was at NF, so I wrote it off to it being early(around midnight) and a Saturday night. We moved on and hooked up for far less with equally attractive girls at Boarhouse.

The several times I was at the Boarhouse, there were quite a few non-WG keepers and a handful of acceptable WG. However, I choose CF over NF not because of looks, but because of their attitude.

I look forward to exploring the other clubs in Moscow when I'm there in July. Rather than generalities, do you have any specific suggestions?

vanka
05-29-02, 03:49
Moscow Expat--
Your posts are really awesome. I'll be in Moscow this summer (my first trip) for a few weeks and would appreciate info on what clubs you think are the ones to really hit--other than Chesterfields.
Thanks.

DeepInTexas
05-29-02, 12:18
Off Topic? A few non sex questions. One, what is the cheapest time to go to Moscow. Two, what is the climate like. Or that is, what should I bring along clothing wise at different times of the year. Three, I was thinking of packing lite, and picking up some great clothes to bring back at a discount. Anything like that possible. Designer clothes or great costum fit suits. Also, what about great rings and watches at nice prices that aren't fake. Thanks for any help.

Moscow Expat
05-29-02, 19:20
TheHunter / SWEDE:

The street scene in Moscow is pretty well covered in the archives. For brothels, St. Petersburg is cheaper than either Tallinn or Moscow. The girls in Moscow probably edge St. Petersburg and Tallinn in looks.

CA traveler:

Chalk it up to a night with girls with a bad attitude. Assuming you are a normal looking guy, $300 for an hour from NF is just off the chart. I've bought girls for friends of mine at NF and have NEVER spent more than $200/night to get my friends these nice Moscow "presents". Be more persistent in your negotiations. In my opinion, NF girls and Boarhouse girls differ not so much in opinion but in looks and price. Good and bad attitudes can be found in any WG in any club in any price range. I don't say that there aren't several attractive girls at the Boarhouse, but let's be frank -- sex work is a business, and WG charge what the market will bear. Every WG would like to work Metelitsa for example because their income would be higher, but only the top make the cut. In this tough environment, there are few WG that would get bounced out of the Boarhouse though...

CA traveler & vanka:

What types of clubs are you interested in? The club topic is well-covered in the archives, so I assume you are looking for something different than what has already been discussed?

DeeperInTexas:

Winter is slightly cheaper than summer, especially for hotels. The climate is generally cold. There was a snowfall a week ago here in Moscow and the temperature drop below freezing in the evenings for a few nights. For climate info though, there are more suitable sites than this one to check. As for shopping cheap... Hahaha! Forget it! My wife has to fly to Milan and Paris to shop and then even so, saves money compared to what she would spend for the same stuff in Moscow. Since Russia hardly makes anything stylish, everything is imported from elsewhere. Nice watches can be had in the street, but it's "swag" (stolen). Even though Russia is a producer, real jewelry tends to be a commodity globally, and certainly Moscow is slightly more expensive than Amsterdam in that department. Cheap costume jewelry can be found in Moscow, but the stuff in New York is cheaper still. Many things are cheap in Russia. The girls. The wine. Sometimes (unfortunately) people's lives. But designer clothes and real jewelry don't fall into that category.

Hargow20
05-29-02, 20:13
Street action info???

Does anyone have any new info on street action??? The world sex archives had a reported that there was quite a bit of street action and fairly cheap 50$ for a night.

There have also been some reports that Russian girls are willing to do facials???

CA Traveler
05-29-02, 22:04
DiT, go to Zurich/Geneva for watches... Paris is actually reasonably priced for some designer clothes. Too bad that the USD is dropping like a rock, but you'll still find some good values. Expat is totally right regarding "bargains" in Russia.

Expat, on last visit I touched down at NF, Boarhouse and the Safari Lounge. I'll be in Moscow for ten days in July and I want to make sure that I hit the high spots. You've already covered the swing club option some time ago.

I've read all of the archives and, of course, the Exile club reviews, but I'd rather not waste time running from club to club. Perhaps I missed your specific club recommendations in the archives. If so, I'll go back again. OTOH, if you have several good clubs that have top notch girls where I could expect them to stay the night for $100-150/night($200 would be the far upper limit!).

Thanks

Kalifornia
05-31-02, 19:01
Hey, I am a native of Moscow, but I have lived in the States for the past 15 years or so. However, I go back to the Motherland every so often; I even managed to spend this past summer in Russia working and getting laid a whole lot.
A word on street action: yes, it is very easy to find hookers that walk along the streets of Moscow; pay particular attention to the Leningradski Prospect area, near the Dinamo metro station or close to the hotel Moskva by the Red Square. But why would you wanna do that, especially concidering that you have to find your own place for the girl, drive her there and generally waste a lot of time ... private apartments are much more convenient.
If you can speak and read just a little Russian, the absolute best bet, IMHO, is <http://love.mail.ru/category/1500.html> -- there are pictures and phone numbers of over 2,700 girls. The average rate is $40-$50/2 hrs, but you can get ahold of two girls at the same time for about $70-$80/2 hrs -- well worth your rubles.
I frequented a place near metro 1905 goda, their phone number is (095) 723 6690; I recommend Natasha (petite, sexy brunette)and Alina (slender, long-legged brunette). I used them in the summer, so maybe they went into some other business (nuclear engeneering or something, hehehe).
Also, if you can make it out to St. Pete for a weekend, you will be amazed at the number of stunningly beautiful girls for prices about 20%-30% less than in Moscow. Besides, the city is not hot horrid-looking either.
I will come here frequently and try to answer any questions you guys may have -- in the mean time, good luck!

Kalifornia
05-31-02, 19:22
Expat, as a native Russki, let me compliment you on your vast knowledge and great tactics -- you make us proud! All of your advice in bang on target, but what's up with rusalki? Most of the girls ask for $100/hour, which is just plain crazy. Go to <http://love.mail.ru/category/1500.html> and find yourself a better looking Moscow girl for half the price; I don't mean to sound miserly, but I would pay $100 for two stunning bi girls for 2 hrs or one stunning girl for the night, not one just cute girl for 1 hr. Oh, and NF is such a big ole scam ... I spent about 30 minutes there, got hit up for $300/1 hr (due to Hugo Boss suit, shirt and tie and a big Tag-Heuer on my wrist), but after about 5 minutes of rapid-fire Russian the price went down to $200/2 hrs ... no, thanks, I got wife and kids to feed (just kidding, hehehe). NF must be racking in some serious cash; the Swedesh owners are vacuum-tight with the flatheads in leather jackets and jogging suits or something.
If you speak Russian, you can call (095) 721 7110 and ask for Diana (near m. Dinamo) or better yet (095) 723 6690 (ask for Alina or Natasha) -- my summer hook-ups, I hope they are still around.

Hedonist
06-01-02, 20:15
Dear Kalifornia:

The URL you wrote seem to be broken...
Do you have any idea what's going on?

Moscow Expat and Kalifornia:

Based on your experience can you tell us which clubs are the best to pick up a nice girl for a GF experience? Any tactics, tricks, comments about how to behave with the Russian girls?

Rather than a prostitute I'm looking for a Russian girlfriend for duration of my stay. I'm coming there only for 4 weeks. Do you have any recommendations as to how I can hook up within couple days with a nice girl once I get there?

Moscow Expat:
In an earlier message you mentioned the Salon Katenka. I don't know almost any Russian. Do you think walk-ins should be alright or should I make an appointment before I go? Are these places dangerous for foreigners?

Any comments will be aprreciated greatly...


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kalifornia
<http://love.mail.ru/category/1500.html>

Kalifornia
06-01-02, 20:56
Hedonist, sorry for the broken link, may be a temporary issue, as it works fine when I cut and paste it.
As for snagging a GF, you are gonna have to be pretty aggressive in your search, concidering that you got only 4 weeks, 3 of which you should be already getting laid. As to the tactics, what works for me is just being myself, being NOT desperate, but persistent (as in "I'm not gonna waste my time, as there are a lot of other girls in this city"), and being self-assured without being arrogant. It may be a bit challenging to snag something worthwhile if you have zero Russian friends or people like Moscow Expat to show you the ropes and take you around town, but it certainly can and has been done on numerous occasions. Some of the best clubs for foreigners and just plain beautiful Russian girls are: Propaganda (Thursday nights), 13 (Fri/Sat nights), Most (Fri/Sat nights), Zeppelin (Fri/Sat nights), Muzei (Fri/Sat nights), Garage (Fri/Sat nights) -- those would be my picks, as these are probably the most foreigner-friendly, poshest, safest, high-flying clubs that you must visit to simply look at what mascarades for the high society of Moscow, but I will certainly defer to the wisdom of Moscow Expat, who is an awesome tactician. Also, go look at the Club Guide at <http://www.exile.ru> -- they are mostly tongue in cheek, but there is much truth to them. Oh, and you MUST go to the Hungry Duck on a Friday or Saturday night just to see the remnants of a once florishing meat market extraordinare -- if you are time-efficient and a little lucky, you can get some free lovin'.
Like I said before, you ought to make a weekend trip to St. Pete -- there is a huge rivarly between the natives of Moscow (like me) and those of St. Pete, but I will readily admit that St. Pete is much more beautiful city, the people are friendlier, the girls are more attractive (per capita!!!) and there is a real chance of scoring with a drunken Finnish student, hehehe.
Look at it as an adventure -- you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain -- this is gonna be a great, unforgattable adventure for you -- have fun and the best of luck. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Fotoguy1
06-02-02, 00:27
Moscow Expat--Could you give me some idea of what it would cost for a non-Patriot to survive(monthly living expenses) in one of the major cities there. I am interested in living abroad for possibly a year or two. I'd obviously want to indulge in all the special ladies that are available from the area.

ChicagoBoy23
06-03-02, 05:36
Hey CA Traveler:

Thanks for the information about Night Flight and getting girls into Sheraton.

$300/hour for Night Flight seems very steep. I can only imagine hotel girls are even pricier.

Do the girls prefer dollars or rubles ?

Hedonist
06-03-02, 16:27
Kalifornia and Moscow Expat:

Kalifornia thanks for your reply. The link is working now!

This is another question for you. Can you tell us little about how the salons operate. That I don't need to worry about bringing the girls to my hotel room makes them very convenient for me. But I have no clue about how they operate... Should I call and make an appointment or can I just walk in? Is there anything that I should be careful about? Katenka and Wellcum looks quite promising. Do you have any experience with these salons? Any potential annoyances for a foreigner with very little Russian? Your comments will be appreciated!

Kalifornia
06-04-02, 02:48
Hey, Hedonist. I am glad I could be of some help. Here is how the salons operate: for the most part you call them in advance (I recommend about 4-6 hours), ask about the availability of girls, services and prices, schedule an appointment (yes, not unlike going to your dentist, but much more fun, hehehe), get their address and directions and show up at the appointed time. It is VERY helful to have somebody who speaks Russian call for you -- maybe he will negotiate a better price or more time, but most importantly, many of the madames speak little English, as they are mostly imported from the provinces and have little education. There are two types of salons: larger ones, with as many as 10 or more girls working there and what we call "boutiques", many of which are self-run and have maybe 5 or less girls. The larger salons are geared towards foreigners
Salons are particularly convenient because you don't have to go throught the hassle of getting the girl through hotel's security, particularly after 8pm, as the hotel often has its own WGs and wish to maintain a monopoly on their own turf. I provided the phone number for the salon I frequented in September -- it is really fantastic: decent price ($40/2 hrs with one girl or $70/2 hrs with two), close to the center of Moscow, safe, cozy and friendly. Oh, and the girls were really sexy and not used up, like it happends, as I suspect, in larger salons. But this was back in September of 2001 and I have no idea if they are still in business. Alternatively, you may go to the link I gave you earlier and see if you like any of the girls there -- have somebody who speaks Russian call them and arrange for you to show up to meet the Russian fox of your choice.
I would also recommend that you NOT go to a salon you have never been to alone -- although the danger to you in minimal, really, but Moscow is a big city and you just never know. Even there is one chance out of a hundred that you will be robbed, if it happends to you, it's often enough. Bring a friend or go to a larger, well-established salon, although you will pay about 30% more and the atmosphere will be less "cozy".
One final point -- you will probably be offered a shower and a massage; you do NOT have to agree to it, as it will lessen the time you will be actually getting freaky. Conversely, you may WANT to take a shower, if the girl agrees to accompany you (and almost invariably they will).
In conclusion, I miss Russia a lot and one of the reasons why I'm here is to sorta live vicariously throught you guys, as I still rememer my summer months in Moscow, when I would go through 10 GORGEOUS girls in a week (some paid some free). As always, best of luck.

Fotoguy1
06-04-02, 04:30
Kalifornia--I will ask you the same question that I posted for Mosco Expat. What would be the monthly living costs for a non-patriot to have a comfortable living situation and to enjoy oneself especially all of the local lovely beauties around.
Thanks

Kalifornia
06-04-02, 08:38
Fotoguy, well, let's concider that you come to Moscow for a month. An apartment should run you about $400/month; food and just getting around should run you about another $300/month. Miscellaneous expences should add up another $300/month. Now, the girls should average about $100/night or $50/2 hrs, so compute accordingly. I think you probably need a minimum of $1,500/month to have a good old time, plus airfare. Moscow is not particularly cheap, especially if you don't speak Russian. I hear that the Kiev, Ukraine is significantly cheaper and the girls there at AT LEAST as goodlooking as those in Moscow. Or you could just go to St. Petersburg, if you wanna save some money it's about 30% cheaper than Moscow. You could also go into provinces, such as the city of Samara, which, in my opinion, has the highest per capita amount of stunnding girls -- living outside of Moscow is MUCH less expencive, but you have to have Russian language skills or at least some Russian friends to get around, as very few people even speak English out there.

Kalifornia
06-04-02, 09:04
Moscow Expat, have you ever been to the old Sumerki Bogov on Old Arbat, right next to the MEXX store? I have spend many a nights there and I am convinced that it was the absolute ultimate in adult entertainment. Tsvetok Nochi is shut down, judging from the posts on the Sumerki website ... damn, if Sumerki would reopen I would fly over to Moscow from LA just for that -- and I'm serous too. There was this girl Masha there ... ah, enough about that ... damn, none of the hot California chicks that I'm exposed to could match good old Masha in just plain good looks or in her outstanding attitude towards sex ... how lucky you are to be in Moscow, bro. Stay healthy.

Moscow Expat
06-04-02, 18:39
Well, I'm back from another long weekend, lazily lounging about the dacha (vacation cottage) doing basically, next to nothing. This my variation of a popular Russian summer pastime. The authentic version has the dacha-owner working hard all weekend from Friday night arrival to Sunday departure, building this, fixing that, gardening like mad, and generally working twice as hard as he does during the week. I assume it is some perverse form of entertainment because a few years ago, a potential employee turned down a rather lucrative assignment from me because he had to "build his banya (sauna)" at his dacha, when for 10% of what I was prepared to pay him, he could have hired an Ukrainian migrant laborer to do it... Myself, I'll stick with sex.


hargow20:

It's been a long time since I've had a $50/night girl in Moscow. It's par for the course in the regions, but Moscow is just pricier, unless you want to try your hand slumming it at the railway stations. You can find free-lancers in that price range outside of the city however. A few weeks ago, I was in a small nightclub in the Moscow Region near my dacha and I was propositioned by a 4-5/10 girl for 2000 roubles for the night ($1 ~ 31.33 roubles), so I know it's probably possible to find or to negotiate to $50/night once you're outside the city limits.

Of course many Russian girls will do facials. Really it's no big deal. It's the really kinky stuff which will require some searching here.


CA traveler:

off-topic: The best prices in Europe for authentic labels has got to be Milan however, especially if you visit the factory outlets just outside of the city. Fantastic prices. My wife visits once or twice a year just to shop for clothes.

In a ten day visit, you should be able to really make some mischief. Since everyone is different, I will give you my itinerary for a few day visit if I were in your shoes. On day #1, I would definitely start with Spearmint Rhino (I provided the address earlier -- see my message from Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 06:46 pm in the WSG archives). Fantastic women to give you a real taste of Russian beauties. On day #2, I would stop by Marika (that is if it's a Friday or Saturday). This was Moscow's (and perhaps Russia's!) very first nightclub, closed for a few years but now reopened. Terrific selection of pros and freelancers. (I also provided the address of Marika earlier -- see my message from Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 05:06 pm in the WSG archives). After having some guaranteed paid sex, day #3 would be spent visiting some of the places for picking up free-sex girls. I've also provided the short-list in the archives -- see my message from Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 01:36 pm. Then by day #4, I'd already have some personal favorites that I can revisit.

In general, the most attractive free-lancers will be working the top nightclubs, such as Marika and the ones Kalifornia has already mentioned. Expect to pay $125-150/night around 1-2AM in the morning. Professional models however are $200+/night. (Three years ago, I picked up a Red Stars model at the old Marika for $200 and ended up keeping her for a week! Wheee.... I was even considering converting her to become a GF, but she was a real airhead. C'est la vie.)


Kalifornia:

Welcome! I can use the help in advising these Russia visitors here! Thanks for the pointer on your 723-66-90 place. I will have to try it. Is it incall only, or do they also do outcall? I've mentioned the bargains to be had in St. Petersburg in this WSG forum before. But I do think that if you're not picky, you can also find some bargains outside of the MKAD (the outer ring highway) for about what you can find in St. Petersburg. Of course, the selection is worse, since so close to Moscow, the best looking girls go downtown for work.

As for Rusalki, don't knock it until you've tried it. I've had sex with so many girls here I've long ago lost track, but I would still recommend Rusalki, because for me, it gave me the best experience in years. Again, for the short-timers, go someplace else. $100/hr is indeed high. But Rusalki does charge $100-150 per 12-hrs and I do think this is quite reasonable. I've referred a number of friends there, and no one has given the thumbs-down yet!

So what was your problem negotiating at NF? That she immediately went from $300/hr to $200/2hrs should have been a good indication about the fluidity of the pricing. Actually, NF is the first place I take any out-of-town (male) visitor! I've never had a visit leave for more than $200/night. One friend (back last August 2001) even took out two for $400.

I wouldn't call those clubs (Propaganda, etc.) the russian "high-society". I would call them tusovka (hang-out) places for the Russian young elite. The russian "high-society" is altogether different, and I've attended many soirees in Moscow which made me think of an Anna Pavlovna Scherer's vecherinka (lil' soiree). (slightly off-topic: speaking of vecherinkas, I do have a first-hand story about a certain famous cellist and a certain vice-minister that I could share... it's even related to sex... but only in private email!)

Of course I've been to Sumerki Bogov! Man, I loved that place. I even knew the owner. The first time they closed/moved, it was because of local community action. Very sad. I was shocked when I read your repart that Tsvet Nochi (The Color of the Night) was closed, but I too just visited their bulletin board and it does seem as if you are right and they closed a month ago. I will try to look up the owner, Dima, again and get the story from him. Stay tuned.


Hedonist:

I've provide a list of "quick-get-lucky" GF clubs in an earlier message. See my message from Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 01:36 pm in the WSG archives. You can pretty easily pick up a girl, although no guarantees about niceness for such a "lightning" operation.

As for how to behave: Well, just don't behave like a dork. Russian girls (at least the tusovka ones) tend to be pretty sophisticated, while wealthy Russian men abound, so any foreigner who struts about trying to look cool sticks out like an ole sore thumb. All the girls will be snickering. Instead just be yourself. Be self-assured as Kalifornia advises. And girls will either approach you, or you can approach them.

Katenka or any salon: Kalifornia pretty much told the story. You will have trouble even finding the salons if you speak no Russian at all. The salons never advertise their exact addresses (for obvious reasons) and so you are expected to show up at an appointed street corner in the direct line-of-sight of the salon, and then call up. Then they check you out before coming to get you. In theory, it's completely possible to do without speaking a word of Russian. And I've had visitors even do it (to my amazement). Practically, you might find the experience frustrating.

I did find Wellcum to be an excellent salon. I even noticed they speak a little English (although I speak Russian, I have a very American accent and often people test their English skills on me).

I would downplay however the risk of visiting salons by yourself, unless it's late at night, in which case newcomers to the city should be careful anyways. I find that the places for crime in Moscow tend to be where the tourists gather actually. A few days ago, at high noon, I witnessed a con go down on Red Square that I first saw in the movie "The Sting", although in another version! So just hang onto your wallet, and you should be alright.


fotoguy1:

Kalifornia has already laid out the basic expenses. However, I would think though that for $1500/month, you will pretty much live like a student though. I myself would just not do it. It's been too long since college. To really have fun, I would peg the proper amount at a minimum of $3K/month -- pretty much what you would spend in Paris or London. Now would this be a two year sabbatical for you, or are you considering temporary relocation and work?


chicagoboy23:

See my comments to Kalifornia about NF. I really really really hate the idea of people passing up one of the greatest sights of Moscow (NF) because they think it's too expensive. You can (repeat after me: "Yes I can!") party all night with a girl from NF for $200! Night Flight is not for every night just as the Tour d'Argent should not become your daily lunch spot. But even so, I just don't know what everyone's problem is. Do they go and hit up one girl (like one fish in the sea), get disappoint and then split?!?! I've just never ever ever had such a problem at NF. (I feel as if we are somehow talking about a different "Night Flight" or something... Is there also a club called "Night Flight" in Moscow, Idaho?)

Girls always prefer dollars, and no one has change, so be sure you are well stocked with $5's and $20's since one of the idiosyncrasies of Moscow is that there are more $100's here than smaller bills.


Have fun everyone.

Moscow Expat
moskvaexpat@yahoo.com

Kalifornia
06-04-02, 21:19
Moscow Expat, I bow down before you and would like to express my sincere admiration for your breadth of knowledge -- anything from Sumerki to L.N. Tolstoy -- get out of town.
The salon I was talking about is in-calls only, but I have taken a girl from there (Natasha) on a date (I $hit you not) -- we went dancing and I took her to my place afterwards. I did NOT have to directly pay her (drinks and food expences notwithstanding) and this is my claim to fame -- free sex with a prostitute ... sounds sorta oxymoronic.
Well, Dmitrii Sergeevich could have made it big -- I have noticed some powerful folks frequenting his lavish establishment -- this was Anna Pavlovna Scherer on crack -- I like going to the defunct site just to see the pic of girls I had sex with ... in DS' office once or twice. Damn, when I recall rolling around Moskovia with my dawgs in in a beat-up 'Burban with 004 dimplomatic plates, Dr. Dre blasting on those nuclear-powered spakers ... ah, youth.
Well, the salon you've mentioned sounds cool -- I would shell out $100/night for some Russky pussky with a smile on my face and a "bolshoye spasibo". But I also enjoy the thrill of the chase in Propaganda, etc. You are probably right that Propaganda is no soiree, but you will notice some Moscow "golden youth" ("zolotaya molodezh") in 13, Muzei, Zeppelin, in particualr. Naturally, there will be zero to none of the oligarchs or movie stars out there, but still ... scoring with a dimplomat's daughter in her posh Kutuzovski Prospekt apartment makes for a nice diversion from the provincial babes of Samara, although this is just as good.
Have you been to the <http://love.mail.ru/category/1500.html> and <http://lovers.ru/category/8111.html> sites? They have a huge selection of delic ladies (with pic, of course) for very reasonable prices -- mostly salons, but a lot of out-calls too.
Oh, paying $200/night for sex in Moscow is criminal -- you can get into a stunning girl in a salon for $100/night, as you well know. As this is what I also do -- after I develop some rapport with the girl, I snag her mobile and, thus, eliminate the middle-man (or, more frequently, middle-madame, hehehe).
Bro, you are so cool, when I hit Moscow like a ton of sushi (Allah willing come August), you are very welcome to join my friends and me in a night on the town.
Finally, there is this city called Ivanovo, about 4 hours away from Moscow -- it is famous for its beautiful girls ... oh, and did I mention that for every one sober guy in Ivanovo, there are, at a minimum, 8 available women. But that's the story of Mother Russia ... ok, bro, keep it real! Oh, would it be cool if I wrote you directly to yuor email?

Fotoguy1
06-05-02, 04:19
Moscow Expat-- thanks for the additional info. My interest presently would be a year or two sabbatical with the thought of possibly working as an English teacher to offset my expenses and possibly take some Russian language courses.

I'm amazed that the cost is so high. I don't have that kind of outlay here in the states on a monthly basis and I don't live like a pauper! If that is what it takes then I guess it will be worth the experience I am sure. From all that you and Kalifornia tell of the mother country it sounds like a gold mine for the adventourous ones to explore.

Any additional info would always be appreciated.

Moscow Expat
06-05-02, 21:16
Kalifornia:

Aha! So you know Dima also I see. But did you ever have sex with his wife... in a car... without him knowing about it? Hehehe.... Life is funny sometimes.

Sure, you and anyone else are welcome to send me email. Enough people already do. That is why I provide the email address.


Fotoguy1:

Of course you can subsist on less. I guess a substantial number of people (Russians) live in Moscow on $300 or less a month, (although they don't need to pay for their housing). However, unless you've experienced living on welfare, and not even then, would I recommend that you try this! It's just too brutal!

Moscow Expat
moskvaexpat@yahoo.com

Kalifornia
06-06-02, 03:01
Moscow Expat -- not only had I never had sex with his wife, I have never even seen her. Is she a fox ... ah, doesn't matter, any American, who had sex with DS' wife, without his knowledge and/or concent, in a car (bonus points, chi-chiiiiing) is a demigod and is worthy of admiration, emulation and something else ending on -tion, but I can't think what exactly, as I am about to roll over to this Russian girl's house in West Los Angeles and my brain is in neutral, whilst my @ss is in gear.
I'm gonna write you an email and just generally kiss your ass and say how cool you are and how shocked I am that there are Americans like you in Moscow -- the ones I have seen are either locked up in Fortress America (Ameerican Embassy) or go to NF and claim, ad noseum, how they have partaken in the real Russian nightlife.
Out here, in the land of the free land the home of the brave we sure are proud of you.

ChicagoBoy23
06-07-02, 02:39
Thanks for information girls in Moscow.

I am really looking forward to my visit.

As an American who does not speak any Russian - can I just hop in a cab from my hotel (Sheraton) and tell the cabbie take me to Night Flight ?

CA Traveler
06-07-02, 15:19
Expat, thanks for the info... turns out that now my return visit will be StP for 5 nights and then 8 nights in Moscow. So, I plan to explore both cities extensively. I've already scheduled two more trips to Russia the next 8 months, so I should have time to become more comfortable with the Moscow. However, I'm really looking forward to getting out into some of the smaller cities. I spent 5 nights in Prague with a beautiful girl from Samara several years ago and if she's any indication of the talent that waits out in the hinterland, it'll be worth the trouble of travelling outside Moscow.

chicagoboy, most taxis outside the major hotels will know NF, but it's better to ask the hotel to write down the club name and address in Russian... Then you can get a taxi or almost any car to take you there. Don't forget to get them to write down the hotel name and address in Russian as a safety factor in case you wind up someplace without a clue where you are and no way to communicate where you want to go. Also, figure out a backup club in case you don't like your first option and get that name and address in Russian as well. You don't have to spend much time alone in mainland China before you figure this out... If you think Russian is foreign, you should try communicating with a Chinese cab driver!

ChicagoBoy23
06-08-02, 01:34
Thanks for advice on cabs- I will definitely follow.

I am jealous. I am only in Moscow for 2 nights. You sound like you have a rowdy week and a half planned in Russia!

In your opinion is the Safari club worth a visit if I am only there for 2 nights or should I stay with Night Flight and more upscale?

Chicagoboy

Kalifornia
06-08-02, 05:01
Chicago, in my experience, Night Flight will have more beautiful girls per square foot than any other place in Russia -- we are talking tons and tons of 8s and 9s -- and quite a few 10s. If you are gonna be in Moscow for only a few days -- Night Flight is the best bet for a short time, but in all honesty, Moscow Expat's recommended Rusakli salon is probably a better bet -- cheaper, and in-house, but if you wanna see some of the most upscale Russsian hookers -- Night Flight is the place to be. Either way, I know you are gonna have a blast -- have a good one!

Timmy21
06-08-02, 13:10
Kalifornia, I am sorry to butt in to the discussion, I was wondering if you could provide some advise, this Sept. I'm traveling to Siberia, two days in Novosibrisk and 8 days in Omsk, I've heard many stories about the lengendary beautiful Siberia girls, and I need to see this area for myself, have you been to Omsk previously, from what I hear the saunas is the best best to meet the working girls in that city.

Kalifornia
06-08-02, 17:58
Timmy, welcome aboard -- unfortunately I have never been to Siberia, but I have meet a few girls from Novosibirsk. Firstly, if you are a sober, well-smelling American dude, all you have to do is not beat the girls up and you have a great chance just meeting them on the street -- Siberian girls are not known for being particularly picky, as the men they have to deal with are of a ... ehhh ... substandard quality. September is a particularly good time to go, as the fall semester at various schools in Novosibirsk and Omsk will be commencing and all the beauties will be back. I must warn you -- Siberian girls are known for their endurance, as the food that they eat and the environment they live in is particularly healthy -- so, you better eat your Weaties.
Unfortunately, I cannot point you to a particular place, but I hope that your Russian friends from Novosibirsk and Omsk will treat you royally and ship you over to some "banya" (bath house) or just roll with you into some salon.
The only place in Novosibirsk that I know of is
< http://www.sibgirls.ru/girls.html> -- you can go and look at the girls just by clicking on their names (in Russian).
As to Omsk -- I juts know where it's located ... approximately. But I will keep you in mind and if I run across something useful, I will let you know. Good luck, as if you will need it, being an American in Siberia.

CA Traveler
06-08-02, 20:30
chicagoboy... Safari Lounge is a terrific spot IF you enjoy lap-dancing! The dancers are knockouts and very sexy. But, IMHO, the working girls are nice, but not up to the standards of the dancers(or NF girls). I don't know if the dancers will go home with you, but if they do, I imagine they would be VERY expensive.

There is a dacha in the back with 3 or 4 rooms with saunas, bed and bath, that costs, $30 or so(I can't remember the exact charge). Then, the working girls charge another $50 or so for about an hour.

Plus the food's not bad upstairs in the restaurant. However, if you have dinner you don't get a discount on the admission to the club like at NF, which gives you free admission if you have dinner.(The free admission at NF will pay a healthy chunk of your dinner, if you are planning on going to NF anyway!)

Since you didn't add cost to the equation, I'd say bottom line... Go to Safari Lounge for the lap dancers with a possible option for quick relief out back... Go to NF for knockdown beautiful girls.

ChicagoBoy23
06-10-02, 03:07
Thanks!

I am pumped - only 2 weeks to go!

So many choices and only in town for 36 hours.....

May have to make a return trip!

Can I get away with black jeans and collared shirt at NF or do I have to dress up?

ChicagoBoy23

Super6stud9
06-10-02, 05:50
There is no need for jacket at night flight.

Kakhis and a polo shirt will do. I did not see anyone in Jeans though or No tennis shoes. You can also buy a nightflight polo shirt while you're at it, nice souvenir.

Oh the memories, can't wait to get back.

Drop by Metelitza also. It was ok, but not great. I found a girl that deep throated bareback though. Best deep throat I've ever had worldwide. It was expensive though.

sevo sdarovava!

Kalifornia
06-10-02, 20:57
Chicago, you are gonna be paying for sex -- you can dress at the minimum standards required by NF -- slacks, shirt, shoes (no jeans of any kind, no t-shirts, no tennis shoes). However, if you want to impress everyone, including yourself, I recommend you pour yourself into some Armani, Versace, Boss, Prada or Dolce and Gabanna -- Russians LOVE designers. Oh, try to get ahold of a nice wristwatch -- doesn't have to be a Patek Philippe Grand Complications Timepiece, but a nice Seiko, Citizen or Tag-Heuer is good enough. Whatever makes you feel comfortable, yet attracts (positive) attention. Once I went to the Camarillo outlet not too far from my modest abode in sunny Southern Cali and they had Versace belts on sale -- from their regular pric of $150 they were issuing them out at $65 plus tax -- I got 5 of them bad boys an d I should convey to you that more than once a girl walked up to me and literally grabbed the belt, wanting to see the buckle ... wait, maybe it was my package ... no, probably the belt ... haha.
Well, at any rate, best of luck and let us know how it went, anyways. We are there for you ... in spirit.

ChicagoBoy23
06-11-02, 02:13
Thanks for the advice guys!

I am sure I will have an awesome time.

ChicagoBoy

Jimbehr2000
06-11-02, 06:30
Kalifornia, a question about Ivano you referred to below. Is the city you are talkkng about called Ivano Frankov or something similar. Believe its actually located in the Ukraine. I may have to go there in a month or so.

Kalifornia
06-11-02, 17:26
Jim, negatory -- there is no confusion between Ivanovo, which is about 4 hours worth of driving from Moscow and Ivano-Frankivsk, which is, as you correctly pointed out, in Ukraine. Well, don't despair, with current economic conditions in the Ukraine, you will be the king of Ivano-Frankivsk with your pocket change. If you are heading towards Ivano-Frankivs, let me assure you -- you will be drowning in beautiful, provincial Ukrainian girls. Provincial Ukraine is the absolute bst place in the whole Former Soviet Union for picking up girls -- they are unusually beautiful and very very cheap. Equally good are places like Ivanovo or Samara -- smaller Russian towns. So, you are good to go anyways.

Hedonist
06-11-02, 18:11
Guys,

My question might sound very stupid but I have to ask this...

Where do you keep your passport and papers when you go clubbing or whoring? I know I have to keep them with me at all times. I cannot imagine myself dancing Salsa with all this crap filling my pockets...

I hope somebody can provide some suggestions on this...

TRL
06-11-02, 18:34
About Ivano-Frankivs,

Where do you find the girls there? Are they like FL's or students?
How much do you usually have to pay?

I understand that it is in the Carpathians. Am I right? Is it a big city, or the countryside of Ukraine?

Please give any info regarding the scene in IF. Thanks in advance.

ChicagoBoy23
06-12-02, 01:31
In room hotel safe ?

Dusty Bin
06-12-02, 08:30
Take photocopies of passport and visa, keep them with you. Put originals in room safe or hotel safe. Or if you have no room safe and the bed is a typical Russian thing; really heavy, goes right tothe floor then under the bed. Nobody ever moves those things and no girl in your room will be able to do it while you are there!

Kalifornia
06-12-02, 21:37
HEDONIST, are you there to dance salsa or are you gonna spend all of your free time banging the beejesus out of the gorgeous Russian girls, hehehe ... just wondering. ALWAYS keep the original US passport and Russian visa with you AT ALL TIMES. Register at the US embassy upon arrival -- they will burn a copy off of your US passport and Russian visa and keep it on file, in case you lose it. Also, make an additional copy of your passport and visa and leave it in your hotel room (creatively hide it somewhere). Get yourself one of those wallets that hang from your neck -- you can stash most of your cash and documents there (i.e. passport, visa, plastic hotel key, etc.) -- they are sold in every travel store in every mall in the US. If you go to take a shower with a girl, do NOT leave your money and documents unattended at any time -- I have never had anything stolen, but that doesn't prove anything. Have a good one.

TRL, unfortinateely, I know next to nothing about IF specifically, but maybe somebody in the Ukrainian forum would know. The url for IF is <http://www.sbedif.ivano-frankivsk.ua/city/>; it's in English ... for the life of me I'm clueless why they even bothered to put it in English and wtf you are gonna do there -- sounds like a provincial little town, but hey -- may turn out to be charming -- let us know how it went, will ya? Have a good one.

Chicago, hotel room safe from/for what? They probably have bugs there, so don't you go around buying state secrets, but otherwise, IF you are staying in a reputable hotel and leave no valuables there, you should be ok. If you leave a platinum Rolex on your bed, chances are it will be gone. Same goes for money, etc -- and don;t even think about hiding this stuff -- people who work hotels forgot more about all the hiding spaces than you will ever know: leave harmless stuff, such as copies of your documents, etc. there, but no jewels, large sums of cash, etc. They got hotel safes for that. Just common sence should get you through. Have a good one.

Moscow Expat, is the prohibition against having visitors of any gender, particularly of the opposite one, after 9pm or something like that, still enforced? When I was staying at the Moskva Hotel, right next to Red Square, they wouldn't let my cousine in under any pretences, until I waved my diplomatic passport and promised to make a huge scandal -- the security guys are there to protect the monopoly of hotel prostitutes, who are run, as a joint venture, between the flatheads and the hotel administration. What's the bottom line on that?

ChicagoBoy23
06-13-02, 01:29
How much is admission to night flight ?


If I go early 7-8 pm to eat dinner then go in will there be many girls there ?



Thanks

Scott
06-13-02, 05:55
Here's an even more basic ? for Russia after looking at the state dept web site about visa's and such how does a single person get there without going on a tour ? Just book a hotel? What is the deal about having papers from a sponsor? Keeping copies of passports and other legal docs. should be the norm for anybody traveling to foriegn ports of call. I will not be going on business just for catcall time and sight seeing and rather do it with friends or on my own. It just looks like a lot of hassle to get there.

Across69
06-13-02, 17:13
The best strip club IMHO ANYWHERE in the world is Safari lodge 300rb to get in and the girls give you a 1 song lap dance for only 100 RUBLES each all night!! I almost missed my train to SPG after my 20th lap dance including two brunettes that look a little like twins touching me and touching each other!! I gave them each 500rb and was an incredibly happy man for 20-30 minutes (I have no idea how long ) The "twins" offered me a private lesbian show for 1/2 hour ($100) and hinted that I would be VERY close to the action
I spent only 90 minutes there and spent only about $60! I was seriously considering missing my train and going back to SPG the next day.

There were about 30 girls there with the lowest being about a 7!
STRICT DRESS CODE NO JEANS/SNEAKERS

I actually felt sorry that I made my train by 15 minutes because I could have had 2-3 more dances ;)
32 Pokrovka Ul
Metro: Chistye Prudy (like Chesty Prudå get it) but it is a 10 minute walk east of the station better to take a cab

Thank you to CA traveler!

Kalifornia
06-13-02, 21:56
CHICAGO, here is the url: <http://www.nightflight.ru/>. I don't know how much the admission is, as I went there only once with my Russian hosts and their company paid for everything. Moscow Expat is sure to know -- ask him.
If I were you, I would hit Safari Lonunge by about 9pm, stay there for a couple of hours, get a real huge hard-on and some serious blue balls and then head over to Night Flight to get all freaky -- as across69 said -- Safari is a must. But as long as you are in Moscow, the number of girls is not gonna be an issue. Have dinner, get a cab, roll around Moscow for a while -- it will be very bright there, as it is close to the North Pole -- even at 11pm is will be pretty bright, so you can enjoy a little bit of Moscow and still show up around 9pm at Safari like a cool person that you are. Night Flight is a zoo after 10pm, better yet -- after 11pm. As always, best of luck.
SCOTT -- doing all the paperwork is not really that much pain in the ass, but the Russkies do have a weird system -- you MUST either book a hotel prior to your arrival and then appply for a visa or get an invitation from some friends or relatives, but that will take over 30 days for them to process the papers. So, best bet -- get a hotel, apply and get Russian visa, buy tickets and be a happy man; for more info, check out <http://www.russianembassy.org/>. You can also rent an apartment, but that's better done for longer stays. If you are gonna be in Russia for longer than a few days, it is definitely worth it to get an apartment, particularly if you are heading over there with friends -- the people who hook you up with a pad caan do your visa for you as well; one such example, in St. Petersburg, is <www.apartment.spb.ru>. Have a good one.

Dinghy
06-14-02, 01:45
Scott - while kalifornicator is correct, if you go out and look under "moscow hotels" on something like google, you will find several places that cater to getting you a hotel and offer "free visa support with prepaid room" (meaning - put up the money up front and they give you a letter to submit with your visa request. The caveat is that YOU CAN'T EXTEND THE VISA BEYOND WHAT YOU ASKED FOR (of course, you could do what I did - pay for 1 night - I got Izmaylova Gamma-Delta in April for $28 US/night and extended for another day when I found it difficult to find somewhere else on short notice. I wrote back the the booking administrator and asked about a different time frame - like extend it out to 4 weeks - and they were willing - so with that I got the consulate to extend the visa to a month (30 day max on "tourism" visas - it HAD been for 1 DAY - not even enough time to get there and go since the flight would leave the next day). IF you are anywhere near a russian Consulate, MAIL them the paperwork and they will MAIL it back to you (IIRC 10 working day service $70, 5 for $80, 3 for $100, same day (need to be there to pick-up and deliver) $200 - ( I would check these rates to make sure, though). Get the AIRLINE reservation (don't pay for it yet) FIRST; the ROOM reservation (meaning the Letter of Invitation) NEXT and apply for the visa and pay for the airline ticket. if you are able to "gavareet pa Rooski" (transliteration - speak Russian) even a little, it will help immensely. IF you take the "visa support option" and you decide NOT to go after fronting the money and getting the letter, you will be out $30 or $35. BTW - the reservation support folks told me there were NO "single rooms" available in the time fram I wanted. Funny thing, after I got there, there just oodles of them available.

Scott
06-14-02, 07:13
Thanks so much for the information guys. I do owe you a couple of drinks. Thanks again.

ChicagoBoy23
06-16-02, 00:20
Off to Europe including stopoff in Moscow.

Thanks for the advice. I will think of you guys when I am surrounded by Russian Babes !

Dinghy
06-16-02, 19:23
rastaman - depending on "things"... there weren't very many "persons of colour" in Moscow when I was there last (end of April).. the one's I met were from Congo and spoke French and Russian. There is a substantial Chinese population but aside from that few other "non-caucasian". There HAVE been reports of Russian skinheads (but there have been reports of those type of incidents in Germany or USA as well) Obviously you would stand out in a crowd the same as I would stand out in Africa (not a criticism, just a commentary). Sorry if this is less than helpful. Any other opinions out there... Expat???

Scott- after reading my own post I got a bit confused... (and I wrote it) You need to get your invitation letter to get the visa. You need to get the dates on the letter to atleast match what you expect to be there (and I recommend that if you are planning less than the 30 day allowance, you ask for the 30 days) This means that you need to pay for at least 1 night in a hotel (doesn't matter which one) with a request to have a longer stay (my reason was that I wanted to go out on the golden ring and thus wouldn't be staying where their hotels were) anyway "admin@hotels-moscow.ru" is the e-mail for the one I used and "hotels-moscow.ru" is their website. Easy navigation - point and shoot - all price ranges, but the lower range isn't THAT much different from the higher, and there are differences in the "star" levels - I tend to 3*** (as THEY advertise it) because of the price and location.

Anyway - YOU CAN'T EXTEND THE VISA IN RUSSIA (or so I was lead to believe at the consulate) so once you reserve the room, (assuming you use hotels-moscow) send an e-mail to the administrator and ask for a longer time frame (your choice of excuse - "additional cities" travel is a good one). Remember, you will be getting there a day after you left - IF you leave Sunday 6PM, you will be getting there MONDAY 6PM (example only - it's that 8 to 11 hour time zone difference from the US) The hotle will register your visa for you as part of the registration process, so unless you just WANT to take a trip the embassy... (DO keep copies of everything somewhere, though, just in case.) Like I said before, the "tourism visa" limit is 30 days. Also, forgot, MONDAY is the day the clubs don't have dancers (no 7 day operation there)

Jimbehr2000
06-17-02, 10:03
Guys the information here is incredible, thank you. I'm going to London in mid July and now have a 5 night mini-vacation to take from there. Any suggestions on where to go? Was looking at Norway or Helsinki but I see Moscow seems just as cheap and easy to get to as the others (nice flight connections after my LAX-Heathrow flight). Helsinki seems cool because I could also do an overnite or two in Tallin. Is St. P easy to get to from Helsinki and is St. P safe to walk around day and nite? If so thats probably where I'll go. Tallin and St. P seem more interesting to me than Helsinki. Any comments would be appreciated.

Btw I will be going to Ivano Frankivsk in August and I'll let you know what I find. Its supposed to be a large city with beautiful women. don't know much about "the scene" but I'll share what I find there.

Dusty Bin
06-17-02, 10:15
You should have no problems in Saint Petersburg. Pretty safe if you are not drunk or stupid...
Same as anywhere else.

Dusty Bin
06-17-02, 10:22
BTW if you are flying to Tallinn or Saint Pete then often the best value flights occur with a stop over in Helsinki.

Get the best of all worlds!

steve_1000
06-17-02, 12:51
To those who know Russia or Eastern Europe:

I am 55, divorced, living in Montana with good job and home. I plan to come to Eastern Europe and Russia soon. I would like to find a pretty, nice, Russian or Eastern European wife who is 13 to 25 years younger than me. I wonder how I could find a Russian or Eastern European call girl or former call girl for potential marriage?

I have especially liked many of the working girls that I have known over the years and think many of them would be good wives; their pasts do not bother me--to the contrary--I would look upon that as an asset. Any recommendations on how to go about finding a Russian or Eastern European call girl for marriage or any other comments would me appreciated. --Steve

Fotoguy1
06-18-02, 04:14
Steve_1000

If you will give me your e-mail address I will give you some information that you seem to be interested in.

Bay

steve_1000
06-18-02, 13:09
To Fotoguy1

My email address is steve_1000@lycos.com. Please do email me any infomation you have on the subject. Thanks, --Steve

Trader
06-18-02, 13:30
Safari update -------

I've just returned from a week in Moscow and was sad to find that Safari was shut down by the police. It has been a favorite of mine and I never missed it when I was there.

Some of the Safari girls have gone to Sprut. Lap dances just like Safari and a very friendly atmosphere. Not as busy as Safari used to be, but it is probably just because it is pretty new. If anyone knows where the twins (across69 post) have gone, let us know.

No sauna type deals there -- just great dancers.

I'm sorry I don't have an address for Sprut handy, but I'm sure some of the other posters can help with that.

Kalifornia
06-19-02, 00:17
Chicago, yeah, right ... you will think about us in a shower with a couple of Russian beauties only to delay orgasm, hahaha.

Rasta, Russians, in general, are rather rasist, unfortunately. But not in the same way the KKK was -- they don't wanna lynch black people, they just think of them as dirty, stupid and very "unprestigious". Interestingly, there are very few American blacks out there, mostly African blacks. However, some of the "advanced" Russian girls find hanging out with a black person to be "cool", many Russian (and not only Russian) girls also find black men to be irresistably applealing and mysterious. They also feel like "bad" girls by, for instance, sucking black penis, etc. So, if you manage to avoid the morons (the skinheads and just general white trash), you should do spectacularly well, particularly in night clubs of larger cities (i.e. St. Pete and Moscow). Of course, you would just clean house in any Scandinavian country, where the girls are just nuts about good-looking black dudes. A buddy of mine was stationed in Keflavik NAS, Iceland -- he is a very good-looking, in super shape black Marine, so he was, understandably, up to his ears in pussy ... sometimes literally up to his ears, hehehe. So, just put the idiots on ignore and collect the points that are due to your looks and, hopefully, vivacious personality.

jimbehr2000, FYI there is a nice, direct flight from LAX to Moscow (about $650RT). I'm from LA, so I like it -- eat like a pig (Aeroflot feeds rally well), get a little drunk with other dawgs on board, go to sleep, wake up in Mother Russia. I know you have to go to London, but just in case, you know.

dusty_bin, I have been to Tallinn many times -- I used to go out with an Estonian girl, but I find Talliin, as wonderful as it is, to be a relatively "poor" buy as far as the girls go. The best way is to chill in Kiev or St. Pete or Moscow (in that order); Tallinn is a tad more expencive. What you are gonna do in Helsinki is beyound me -- if I wanna see horse-like drunk chicks, I will just roll over to my local Wal-Mart. It is cool to fly to Moscow direct and then catch a midnight train to St. Pete or just fly to St. Pete direct (www.aeroflot.com). I have been to Helsinki twice -- due to my well-tanned skin and Semitic features I was scoring right, left and center, but the girls were, mostly, substandard and they were nothing to write home to momma about in bed either. Was it just me or what's up?

steve_1000, good luck to you -- you WILL need it, as an opportunistic Russian working girl will drop you on your butt as soon as she gets her US citizenship (less than 4 years from the date of nuptuals), but you should have ZERO problems finding a girl like that -- it is the dream of EVERY working girl and that of many just plain ole Russian woman, to go to the Land of Big PX ... so, it is very much the buyers' market -- be careful, remember who you are dealing with (desperate prostitutes), I wish you the best. I will bet you anything no less than 50% of girls you will proposition will agree to marry you and go to the States; just please be choosy.

Trader: I know, I'm not supposed to shoot the messenger, but: damn, damn, damn ... $hit, Safari being closed is the absolute worst news I have heard in a while. Thanx for the update, brother ... but damn!

Dusty Bin
06-19-02, 09:25
Kalifornia-

It's you!

Horse faced women - Finland - Ha!

No chance. I may prefer Estonia or Russia, best of all Moldova, but its for the attitude of the women, not their looks!

Only problem in Helsinki is picking up a girl taking her home, shagging her and in the morning she wonders who you are!

If you want to see good looking women, go to clubs like Barfly, System or Tiger. Dress well and confident, you will be very surprised.

I suggested Helsinki as a stopover because most of the best priced flights, Finnair and Aeroflot stopover in HKI before going on to Spb or Moscow and you can easily ferry to Tallinn in just over an hour.

Sauce
06-22-02, 16:59
I am going to be staying in Moscow near Red Square and I was wondering about the Moskva Hotel. Can you bring women that you have found on the street to your room? Do they have women in the bars for pickup like at the Cosmos? Does the Moskva charge you extra for bringing women up? Or are there better hotels for this in the same vicinty without paying to high prices?

Explorer8939
06-23-02, 02:27
Someone wrote about this earlier, stating that you couldn't get anyone from outside the hotel up to your room, and that there were no ladies in the bar. Also, the Moskva seemed closed last time I was in Red Square, it is scheduled for demolition.


Originally posted by sauce
I am going to be staying in Moscow near Red Square and I was wondering about the Moskva Hotel. Can you bring women that you have found on the street to your room? Do they have women in the bars for pickup like at the Cosmos?

Sauce
06-23-02, 20:47
Are there any other hotels in the ***star price range around the Kremlin area that allows you to take women up to your rooms?
And do any in this area have bars that have a lot of women to pick up? I've read about the Cosmos but that is further away.

Explorer8939
06-23-02, 23:54
The classic place was the Intourist hotel, but its closed now, thank god.

For a beginner, I might choose the Cosmos, even though its farther from Red Square. The metro is right across the street from the Cosmos, so you are practically at Red Square, anyway, plus you can't beat the $100 room service at the Cosmos for convenience.




Originally posted by sauce
Are there any other hotels in the ***star price range around the Kremlin area that allows you to take women up to your rooms?
And do any in this area have bars that have a lot of women to pick up? I've read about the Cosmos but that is further away.

06-24-02, 03:55
hey Kalifornia,,,in your post you say 50% of these women would agree to marry a guy, but drop him in just under 4 years when she gets her citezenship.
I never thought much about wanting to marry a Russian woman, but I might consider it if I knew for sure she would leave me after a few good years of sex.

Armorer
06-24-02, 05:00
I was wondering if anyone could offer some advice on moscow and where to go and have a nice time if you do not speak the language. I did manage a nice trip to kiev already, but found this sight afterwerds. So looking for advice. Thanks

Kalifornia
06-24-02, 21:12
Sauce, in all probability, no matter where you stay in Moscow, you will NOT be allowed to bring a girl from outside of the hotel into your hotel room after 10 (?) pm; i.e. streetwalkers, out-calls, etc. This is because most hotels have their own hookers and they prefer to maintain a monoploly on the hotel's grounds. However, you WILL have a significant selection of prostitutes who work for the hotel. Hotel Moskva and others, particularly in the center, the Red Square, etc. DO have multiple WGs. You may also look into the ads at Moscow Times and eXile -- two of the English language periodicals, when you get there, in case you are interested in in-calls -- most of the ads are in English and, accordingly, the girls speak English.

Brett, your naivite is refreshing, if misplaced. Worst-case scenario: your Russian "rent-a-wife" will get smart in a god-aweful hurry, sue you, take your house, get pregnant and take custody of your children, etc. -- a very expencive proposition. I recommend frequent trips to E. Europe -- less hastle and, ultimately, cheaper.

Armorer, read previous posts (including the archives), particularly those by MoscowExpat and it will all be en clear.

GUYS, we have the most posts of all European countries -- as a Russian, I'm proud. Spasibo, muzhiki! (Thanks, guys).

ChicagoBoy23
06-25-02, 03:30
Just got back from Moscow.

Had an awesome time. Hooked up with one hot blonde the whole weekend.

She was insatiable and a very good tour guide - right up to to dropping me off at the airport on Sunday afternoon.

Highly recommend Moscow weekend for anybody who wants to have a great time.

Thanks again guys for all the advice!

Note: there were also lots of knockout working girls at the Cherry Casino bar!

Hedonist
06-26-02, 15:55
Chicagoboy 23:

Where did you hook up with that concubine of yours? That's exactly the kind of experience that I'm looking for. Any suggestions/recommendations will be appreciated...

Explorer8939
06-28-02, 01:59
http://www.intim-club.ru/nightcat/index.htm

This is place I went to in April that cost me $31 an hour.

Hedonist
06-28-02, 17:07
Explorer8939:

Will I able to schedule a session at the salon "Night cat" without speaking any Russian? Is it safe for a tourist in your opinion? Which of the girls do you recommend? How was your experience. Did you choose your girl before or after you got there?

Sorry for the flood of questions. If you could spare some time to post more information about this salon, it would be great. Thanks a lot!

ChicagoBoy23
06-30-02, 23:48
Hedonism:

Sorry to burst your bubble dreams....

My hot Gwyneth Paltrow look alike's awesome performance was bought and paid for. Well worth it but I am not a big enough stud to seduce a knockout in 48 hours !

Good luck

Chicago

Explorer8939
07-01-02, 00:27
nightrep001s is basically someone's apartment turned into a brothel. its about 2 blocks away from a major metro stop, on the street of the same name 'krasnapressniya' or some such name.

costs for an hour are $31 (1000 rubles). when you walk into the apartment, they have you sit down in the living room, where a handful of girls are sitting around, waiting for you to pick. once you select one, the other girls split, and your girl takes you into an exceedingly bare bedroom - one bed, one light, one chair. you strip, she takes you into the bathroom to hose you down, and then back to the bedroom, where you get a massage and then the fun begins.

i found that the girl was a little too anxious for me to finish, sometimes 'eager to please' turns into 'hurry up and finish', although i ran things differently, and got my hour's worth.

you can't go wrong for the money.

but, they don't speak a word of english!

sorry, you need to learn some russian to deal with this place.



originally posted by hedonist
explorer8939:

will i able to schedule a session at the salon "night cat" without speaking any russian? is it safe for a tourist in your opinion? which of the girls do you recommend? how was your experience. did you choose your girl before or after you got there?

NeilSydney
07-02-02, 07:12
Hi everyone. I know the "race" issue has just been recently discussed, but I'd like to bring it up again for my own purposes. :)
To the experts out there: What is the attitude of Russian women towards Chinese people?
I know there is a significant Chinese population in Russia, but is it a "them and us" attitude? Is there any prejedice in this regard?
I know here in Australia where I live and grew up, Aussie women are not openly racist, but only the highly educated university graduates tend to be willing to get involved with non-Aussie looking men. Perhaps it is the same in Russia.
Anyway, I'd be interested to see what the experts out there have to say.

Secada
07-02-02, 09:31
I have been to Moscow to Hotel Rossija in front of Kremlin. Girls are available on small bars on each floor, but I could not see any pretty Russian girl, prices are 100 USD for 1 hour, later the night (or better morning) I was offered 50 USD. Forget it, I did not try. I followed the hint found in the archives here and bought the newspaper "MK- Moskovskij Komsomolez", under "Doslug" are mentioned a lot of small apartment-brothels which are located in residential houses. I called to one which mentioned "near Centre", I took a taxi and went there. Guys ! That 's it ! Unbelievable ! Very beautiful Russian and Ukrainian girls, exciting ! Price for 1 hour excellent service 1200 Rubels (around 40 USD), perfect sex. I went another 2 evenings there trying out to take 2 girls for 1 hour with lesbian show, great, they did everything together , lesbian fucking, never seen this in real before, I enjoyed a lot ! After this we fucked threesome, perfect !!!! That is why I had to go another time, too many fantasies to try. Price was a little expansive (USD 180 USD 1 hour, 2 girls with lesbian fuck), but each dollar was worth to spend it. Of course, they do not speak English , so this might be a disadvantage but maybe you can arrange someone to call for you in order to find out location. Once you 'll be there, you will have a lot of fun.

ChicagoBoy23
07-03-02, 05:58
I am of asian (chinese) descent and did not have any problems in Moscow.

Of course we are talking "paid" company so who really knows.

She sure seemed to like me.

Good Luck

Hweisman
07-03-02, 21:51
I will be traveling to Moscow in August for business. I am concerned about safety. I am not a large man, am very white and quite obviously an American. Are some places safer than others? I don't mean tourist locations, I mena the kind of places you and I like to frequent!!! I like young (but legal) petits. Any advise as to where the better young ones are?

BadBoyXX
07-06-02, 21:49
Is it possibl to find some who are not prfessional Pitch but easy to get it ?
A lot of people who was in Moscow told me you can take normal Girls very easy to you ! is it thrue ?

I am looking for nice young girls who are ready to spend with you there time with out to pay a lot of Mony ( only take her to fine Resturant and smal gift) !

Do you think thats it is only a dream or is it possible ?

Explorer8939
07-07-02, 02:50
If you are whiter than the Moscow locals, then you need medical help.



Originally posted by Hweisman
I will be traveling to Moscow in August for business. I am concerned about safety. I am not a large man, am very white and quite obviously an American. Are some places safer than others?

CoolJool
07-08-02, 07:29
Hello...

I want to know if there is posible to meet a streethooker in moscow, and how much it will cost me... I am in thailand now, and are heading for moscow soon

Banana Joe
07-12-02, 20:12
From Exile.ru:

By Dan Higgins (higgins@exile.ru)

Well fucking well. What do we have here? Could it be Mr. Dan Higgins, taking a break from his travels to bang some Moscow sluts? No shit, of course it’s fucking me.

I want to know what the fuck the deal with this fucking Parvis fuck is. I mean, they replace me with some fucking smiley faggot and shit?

But fuck him. The real reason I’m back is to get some sluts. I mean, traveling’s cool and all, but the only bitches that will give it up are the *****s and shit. Don’t even think about the locals—those bitches aren’t like Moscow’s dyevs. No fucking White God factor out in Europe. I don’t know, maybe I should try Africa or something. But fuck that, the last thing I need is fucking AIDS from some African *****. Then again, why the fuck do I need Africa if I’ve got Russia?

Another thing they can’t fucking do right anywhere but here are strip clubs. Why the fuck would anyone want to go to an overpriced strip club where all the dancers are fat, can’t fucking barely touch you, and have a fucking copy of the club’s rules tattooed on their asses? What the fuck is that all about? Man, only Russia understands what a real fucking pussy bar needs to be. But more on that later.

My first night back started at the grand opening of SAX ON THE BEACH. Don’t even get me started on the fucking name —I mean, what the fuck? Why not just call it Sex with a *****, if you’re into fucking puns? But sax?

I guess what Neil’s (formerly the Papa John’s/XIII dude) trying to get at is that this is a jazz bar. The place, name excluded, is alright, though. It’s got this pretty sweet fucking outdoor patio looking out on a big fucking park, not too far away from the Udarnik kino.

Never mind the fact that everything wooden there was sticky with wet fucking paint—it’s got a pretty fucking low-key wood feel and the prices are dirt cheap—so this is where you take a chick if you have to talk to her before fucking her. A fucking beer is like R40. There’s alright music played outside and you can go roast a bone right out back and no-one will ever fucking notice. Believe me. If all you’re looking for is to get wasted cheap, this place rocks. OGI without art fags.

But I wasn’t gonna just get wasted on my first night in Moscow. There weren’t any unattended bitches at the party, so I figured I had to move on. And RASPUTIN decided to invite me over, after I’d spent two fucking years trying to get in there. Holy fucking shit! This place KICKS ASS!

The one problem is you gotta have a ton of fucking money to drop, but in terms of way the fuck out of control babe-age, this place is It. The club has got three floors and is about as big a strip club as I’ve ever fucking seen.

First off, they know how to treat a VIP right—they gave me this fucking press badge and everyone was pretty much sucking my dick after that. I went straight up to the third floor, which is a balcony over the main stage. All you could see looking down were these beautiful bitches’ asses. The club was fucking packed with wall-to-wall hi-end working girls looking to get to know you! Man, I missed Russia.

On the stage, they’ve got the whole erotic theater thing, which is sort of a Vegas cabaret—just topless and shit. The drinks—whiskey, cognac and shit—were all free for everyone, so I guess that means they might be covered by the cost of the tickets (which go from $20 to fucking infinity). I might be fucking wrong, though, so don’t forget your fucking wallet.

All this is just a build-up for the strip part of the club. On the first floor they’ve got this fucking awesome strip club, which I think costs 20 bucks to get into.

There’s a whole bunch of different chambers, each with a different hottie (or two). There are a few seats, and the girls aren’t against major friction. And, unlike in Europe, these bitches seem to fucking like it. Besides, the lesbian show I saw was pretty much the most intense fucking thing I’ve ever seen. The girls were munching box like they hadn’t eaten in weeks— crazy 69ing and shit, with their fucking brown stars shining bright. And all this is about 2 feet away from the fucking seats —you could smell snapper! And, you don’t even need to tip these bitches.

After a few minutes of that, I decided it was time to check out the VIP room. I don’t know how fucking much it costs to get in there, but even my fucking press card didn’t help. Those VIP Nazis gave me a classic “DENIED”. But fuck, I want in. I went traveling looking for a goal in life. Now I’ve fucking found it, in Rasputin.

E Coast
07-12-02, 23:12
fotoguy1-
Do you mind emailing me regarding some info I'm looking for? Thanks, I'd appreciate it.
upstateny@hushmail.com

Nauskas
07-15-02, 05:55
Just book your room for two people. At most places it isn't extra $. Then you just register a new girl every night.

As a lesson worth noting, Russian hotels typically have NO air conditioning. So my best advice is to go with a western chain like Marriott. Although you wil pay more , Marriott does not hassle you with guests.

Your best hotel rates are through brokers. In Russia most brokers use another middle broker who then deals with the hotel.
Thus the lowest rates are via brokers.

Being close to everything or being close to nothing may seem relative, but being a ride is 40 R almost anywhere, location versus creature comforts tend to be debatable.

Most large Russian hotels have a few of their own girls like in Thailand.

Rossia is directly connected to organized crime. Now it may seem easy to say that everything is. But the cousin of Director of that hotel was arrested for a murder for hire situation of a reform advocate (a Politician) involving.., you guessed it Moscow Hotels.



Originally posted by Explorer8939
The classic place was the Intourist hotel, but its closed now, thank god.

For a beginner, I might choose the Cosmos, even though its farther from Red Square. The metro is right across the street from the Cosmos, so you are practically at Red Square, anyway, plus you can't beat the $100 room service at the Cosmos for convenience.

Nauskas
07-15-02, 06:08
Just:

- don't brush your teeth for a few years with tea and coffee stains on them

- don't wear any deoderant

- Hang around Metro stations drining a russian beer

and you will fit tight in., invisible like a Russian


Originally posted by Explorer8939
If you are whiter than the Moscow locals, then you need medical help.

guest11
07-29-02, 08:45
What is the best currency to pay the women in Dollars or
Rubles ?

In What currency is the negotation done ?

Anybody which areas to avoid when looking for appartments in Moscow ?

Anybody know the best discos / bars to pick up 'non-prostitue russains' I have found only one bar called the hungry duck any others ?

I looked at all the forum about the above questions but could not find anything relevant !!

Anybody with experince will be in Moscow / St Peters Burg between the 19th September 5thOctober willing to show us the ropes ? mail me : the_two_2@hotmail.com

Explorer88
08-03-02, 14:10
I've been through the archives and am looking for any updates on the Cosmos Hotel. Is it still only possible to bring their own girls upstairs from the lobby? No outsiders allowed?

Does anybody have any report on the strip club at the Cosmos? Do those girls count as internally provided so you can choose to bring them home if you want?

I'll be making my first trip to Russia this September and will be staying at the Cosmos as it is convenient to the exhibition center at which I'll be working for the week.

Thanks in advance for any info

ChicagoBoy23
08-05-02, 00:27
I was in Moscow in June

Negotiations were in $$

Payment can be in either

Explorer8939
08-06-02, 17:16
The Cosmos security staff would rather shoot you than let you take an outside girl up to your room.

As for the girls in the strip club - the Solaris - I can't tell you if they even go up to the rooms, they are working down in the club, and I suspect that the club wants to keep them there.

BTW, the exhibition center is called the "VDNKh". Interesting place.

Explorer


Originally posted by Explorer88
I've been through the archives and am looking for any updates on the Cosmos Hotel. Is it still only possible to bring their own girls upstairs from the lobby? No outsiders allowed?

Does anybody have any report on the strip club at the Cosmos? Do those girls count as internally provided so you can choose to bring them home if you want?

I'll be making my first trip to Russia this September and will be staying at the Cosmos as it is convenient to the exhibition center at which I'll be working for the week.

Thanks in advance for any info

Explorer88
08-07-02, 01:47
Explorer (nice name),

Thanks for the info.

What's the quality of the girls that the Cosmos keeps for their guests?

Another Explorer

Hedonist
09-11-02, 18:05
I was in Moscow in August. I had a great time. I went to Hungry Duck, Voodoo Lounge, Karma Bar, Hippo Bar and Dirty Dancing. All were a lot fun, not just to meet girls. I love dancing and I really liked the atmosphere in Moscow clubs.

I don't think a young and at least average looking guy will ever need to pay for sex in Russia. Except a few nights I didn't sleep alone:)

Just out of curiousity I checked out some salons. For paid sex, I definitely recommend Salon Wellcum((095) 726-6060), beautiful girls, good service. I also have been to Salon Nighcat ((095) 746-66-64), this one is cheaper, but girls were not as beautiful. In my opinion these salons are safe. I have been treated very well. By the way, I almost don't speak any Russian.

I want to thank to Moscow Expat and Kalifornia. Their enlightening messages in this board really made a difference for me...

ILS05
09-11-02, 20:54
Any recommendations for girlfriend sex in Moscow without the hassle?

Explorer8939
09-12-02, 03:19
Originally posted by Hedonist
I was in Moscow in August. I also have been to Salon Nighcat ((095) 746-66-64). By the way, I almost don't speak any Russian.



You've GOT to tell us how you managed to get into NightCat without speaking Russian!!!

Explorer

TRL
09-12-02, 07:43
Hedonist,

How old are you, and what's your business in Moscow? Is it true no one tried to bother you, or gave you any trouble? Even when they knew that you're a foreigner? Where are you from? Tell us your methods in getting into clubs and justify your statement that young guys don't have to pay for sex in Moskva....

Thanks in advance.

Explorer8939
09-12-02, 16:07
Moscow Street Girls:

I spotted a couple, working the Garden Ring (main boulevard) near the Kievsky station. Both stood next to cars occupied by their pimps. I didn't have a car, so using their services was out of the question. My feeling is that this is a dying trade, 2 girls for the whole Garden Ring probably means that next year will be 0 girls.

Hedonist
09-12-02, 17:37
Let me answer some of your questions:

I'm 27 y.o. and my looks are above average and I am not a womanizer or particularly talented in attracting women. I went to clubs just to have fun, to dance, not for hunting girls. Maybe this made the difference. Many times girls approached me while dancing... Of course if you are way older than me or not very good-looking or don't have an interesting personality then you might need to pay for sex. The girls that I met were ordinary people, not always drop-dead beautiful. To get model quality girls you probably have to pay some $$$s...

About Night Cat: I got their number from this forum and gave them a call and asked for their address. As simple as "minya nuzhan tvoy address". You can find their address in their website, but you would additionally need a "kvartira" number, which is 36. So, to enter the building you have to dial 036 downstairs. I knew some key words like dom, ulitsa, kvartira and so on, and this was enough to get this crucial piece of information...

Actually getting into Salon Wellcum was more of a problem...

I don't feel like revealing my profession and other personal information that some people asked for.

Methods of getting into clubs??? Just walk in man! The clubs that I mentioned, maybe except the Duck, are normal dance clubs. Nobody bothered me at all!!! However, my case might be an exception. Maybe Moscow Expat and/or Kalifornia or some other seasoned Muscowitz can give us a better view on this...

MondaysChilde
09-13-02, 23:13
Hey Banana Joe, good report.

Kalifornia
09-14-02, 05:48
Hey, you guys. Hedonist, welcome back -- safe, sound and happy (I presume).
So, as for getting into clubs -- there should be no problems getting in there and staying safe. The clubs are interested in foreigners having a good time, so they will go an extra mile in making sure that nobody will bother you. As a rule, unless you hit on some hot-headed guy's girl, you will not be bothered. People are out there just to have fun, same as you. However, there are some clubs that are so supposedly exclusive that it is sorta hard to get into them (e.g. "13", "Most", "Zeppelin", "Muzei", etc). You have to dress nicely, smell well and roll up in a nice car. Cover may be around $30-$50, but you will see mega-babes and some of the "golden youth" of Moscow. It is very difficult to hook up with such girls, unless you are very goodlooking, rich or have some other outstanding features. But just about any sane male should do very well in a regular club. Gotta go for now -- best of luck.

Explorer88
09-15-02, 12:56
Report from the Cosmos Hotel, where I am currently staying.

The nightclub on the first floor, Solaris, was really lame. I thought it was supposed to be a strip club, but it was only a disco. I stayed from 11:30 - 1:30, absolutely no action.

On the reception level, there are always between 8 - 10 pros working the lounges. I would rate looks as 5-8. There going rate was US$100 for an hour, but at 1:30, I was able to negotiate same price for 2 hours.

Scanman2
09-16-02, 13:58
Try the following agencies if you don't want to break the bank paying for sex in Moscow.

Agency Kate - 5041429
They usually have about 4 ladies working there. They charge a standard $60 for 2 hrs and an extra $20 if you want anal sex. For the night is $150. They only speak Russian though. The ladies aren't supermodels but are good looking enough, friendly and willing to please.

Moscow Geisha - 9950678
They charge $30 an hour but they inist on a minimum of 2 hours, if you want the lady to travel to you, and $100 for the night. Again the ladies are reasonably attractive and friendly. Most of them don't do anal sex though. The operator speaks sufficient english. They also have a website so you can view the girls currently working although they don't all work on the same night: www.dosug.sitecity.ru

Explorer8939
09-16-02, 22:34
Oops, Solaris is only a strip club on certain nights, other nights it is just a disco, or worse.




Originally posted by Explorer88
Report from the Cosmos Hotel, where I am currently staying. The nightclub on the first floor, Solaris, was really lame. I thought it was supposed to be a strip club, but it was only a disco.

Explorer8939
09-18-02, 02:04
wow!

finding that 'kvartira number' was a lot harder for me. when i asked for it, they simply told me "dom 11" and then gave me further instructions in elaborate and unintelligible russian. i finally got the idea to try the other side of the building, and someone came down to peer out the back door at me, finally letting me in. that whole adventure took me about an hour.

i guess you managed to come in via the front door!




originally posted by hedonist
about night cat: i got their number from this forum and gave them a call and asked for their address. as simple as "minya nuzhan tvoy address". you can find their address in their website, but you would additionally need a "kvartira" number, which is 36. so, to enter the building you have to dial 036 downstairs. i knew some key words like dom, ulitsa, kvartira and so on, and this was enough to get this crucial piece of information...

rockin_johnny
09-18-02, 13:16
I am new to Moscow and would like to know if some of the more experienced Moscow hobbyists know of any salons/apartments/clubs in the Arbatskaya/Smolenskaya/Kropotkinskaya/Park Kultury area. In other words south of Novy Arbat. I found one place on Zemledelchesky with 3-4 girls. All about 6-7. Nothing great but ok in a pinch. Any info greatly appreciated.

dgrier
09-19-02, 14:32
Hi!

I'm just writing to let people know that we're having a couple of big parties at Safari club in Moscow later on in November and also December. The club will be closed to the public, and we'll be inviting only a maximum of 15 guys in. You pay one price, and after that it's a free for all (except drinks). No holes barred so to speak.

If you want more info, please drop me a line at info@moscowafterdark.com

Thanks!!

Doug

vialemanidalcul
09-19-02, 20:34
Hi guys,

I am coming to Moscow the 4th of October and will stay untill the 8th. As it's the first time for me in Russia and I don't know any russian and would like to spend my time with local girls having fun, is there anybody that can tell me where I could find a guy that could be my "sex guide" to the Russian capital? Of course this guy should know very well the local pussy scenario, should know both russian and english and, well, he should help me to avoid all the "beginners" mistakes (going to wrong places, avoid real pros with bad attitude, spending a fortune etc.). Of course I could also pay him some reasonable money for this "sex guide" service.
You can also write me to the following mail address. FPanetta@excite.it

Explorer8939
09-19-02, 21:53
We were told that the Safari was closed, due to a bust.


Originally posted by dgrier
Hi!

I'm just writing to let people know that we're having a couple of big parties at Safari club in Moscow

dgrier
09-20-02, 09:13
Naw, safari was only closed for one day, then it re-opened again. but for some reason a lot of people think it was shut down for good.

doug

Nauskas
09-24-02, 08:06
Hey, In July I was in the Arbat (Shopping area)
It was interesting to find a few girls offering services.

Easy to tell, based on how they are dressed.

If you stay at the Belgrade, the security will ask you if you want a girl at night.

@50, but have never done it.

Chase
09-24-02, 23:09
Has anyone been to Safari Club after it closed and reopened? You never know if the place has changed hands.

Would like to see a recent review. thnx.

Explorer8939
09-25-02, 02:58
Originally posted by beansed


On the Arbat issue, if you can find the working girls in a city where they all dress like Britney Spears, you are amazing. However, you can buttress your position by telling us how much they charged, and where their hotel was.

As for the Hotel Belgrade, would security let you bring your own girls to the room, or were you just allowed to bring the hotel's own girls up?


Hey, In July I was in the Arbat (Shopping area)
It was interesting to find a few girls offering services.

Easy to tell, based on how they are dressed.

If you stay at the Belgrade, the security will ask you if you want a girl at night.

@50, but have never done it.

ILS05
10-15-02, 22:02
This forum has gone very quiet; any good action these Winter days. Any action in or around the Renaissance Hotel?

Nauskas
10-18-02, 08:37
Originally posted by Explorer8939
On the Arbat issue, if you can find the working girls in a city where they all dress like Britney Spears, you are amazing. However, you can buttress your position by telling us how much they charged, and where their hotel was.


I have found most will ask for $100-$250 from street to Bar. It is always negotiable, but the street is always cheaper. Closer to $35.., your hotel S\T or more $ all night.., but should n't be more than $60 for Street and up to $150 for bars. (excepting NightFlight) You bring them to your hotel.


As for the Hotel Belgrade, would security let you bring your own girls to the room, or were you just allowed to bring the hotel's own girls up?

You can bring your own girls., they just need to register. But the best policy no matter where you stay is to book the room as a double. this way the ability to be harassed is gone , so long as you paid a reservation for two people. Then you just bring a new girl in each day.

Nike
10-18-02, 10:46
Hi to all,
I've been reading all the your posts and traced a lot of information.
I'll be in Moscow next month and would like to know if someone has experienced to book an apartment instead of an hotel.
Do you think there will be any security risk?
Thanks

MRO
10-18-02, 14:16
Hello there !

Has anyone ever tried one of those russian dating agency ?

Any advise ? I am just looking for an amateur to meet while
travelling to Russia or Baltic Countries.

Thanks and Regards

MRO

mont
10-20-02, 12:23
where is hotel belgrade and how much does it cost for a room for a night (non inclusive of girl!). am trying to find cheap accomadation but am stuggling! also what about renaissance hotel cost/night and is hotel russia (near the red square) girl friendly?
thanks

Kalifornia
10-20-02, 18:08
Nike, I have a great experience boooking an apartment instead of a hotel; the unfortunate thing for you is that (I assume) you don't speak Russian. Otherwise you could have read ads in various Russian newspapers and would have found a great deal. Ok, let's go to Plan B -- go to the website of the English-speasking community in Russia <http://www.expat.ru> and try to post an ad (in English), specifying your time frame, etc. You ought to be able to find an apartment with or without a roommate for about $500/month in a decent location, which is substantiallly cheaper than a hotel and much better -- you may bring girls there without much hassle. Or you could try to find some deals (advertised in English) on the site of the Moscow's English-language newspaper The Moscow Times (http://www.themoscowtimes.com>. Good luck.
Mro, why would you want to pay money to some agency, which is designed specifically to find dates (not prostitutes) for their clients. You can easily just drive up (in a taxi, for instance) to a "salon" and take your pick of the available women there. A sample of such salon (replete with photos of the lovely ladies) is found on <http://www.dosug.nu/advert.php?ad=ind&ct=1>. Expect to pay around $50/hr, $70/2hrs (latter, obviously, being a better deal). Good luck.
mont, you will NOT be able to bring an outside girl into your hotel after either 9pm or 10pm ... and she will NOT be able to stay overnight even if you smuggle her before the curfew. This is done not out of faalse modesty, but because there is a hotel monopoly for prostitutes -- they want you to use their own only. As to Belgrade, it is located in a great spot, but it is nothing to write home to momma about -- sorta delapidated, but right across the street from the Ministry of Foreigh Affairs and the Arbat street, which is the Mecca for tourists. More on the hotel at <http://www.1001hotels.ru/Russia/Moscow/7722212.asp> -- this is the best I could find ... maybe you can hpook up with Nike and rent yourselves a nice little place in Moscow? Good luck.

CA Traveler
10-20-02, 21:54
Mont, just one small correction to Kalifornia... You can bring girls into the Marriott and Renaissance with no problem, no matter what time. You will have to escort them down unless they leave late enough in the morning. Also, they will not be able to go up to your room without you going with them because you need a key in the elevator to access the room floors. At the Sheraton, you can bring a girl up, but you will have to register her. I prefer the options with the Marriott/Renaissance if you can get a decent rate and/or have some free nights to use.

CA Traveler
10-20-02, 22:35
One more thing... While the Marriott and Renaissance are hobby friendly, Kalifornia is absolutely correct that the best option in Russia is to rent an apartment!

mro, I understand your desire to hook up with a non-pro RU girl. I've invested some time and money into that effort by attending a "social" sponsered by one of the top "marriage" agencies in Russia and I've tried the internet correspondence route with good success on both counts... at the same time, I've had decent success meeting non-pros just getting out on the dance floor at some of the clubs. Most importantly, the nice thing about Russia is that you can have a date with a non-pro and if you can't close the sale, then you can head out to a club at 0100 and find a nice beautiful warm body for the rest of the night!

Keep in mind that I'm an old fart, so at a decent club on a good night, if you're younger and decent looking, you'll probably have to beat the girls off with a stick.

Nauskas
10-21-02, 01:55
Originally posted by mont
where is hotel belgrade and how much does it cost for a room for a night (non inclusive of girl!). am trying to find cheap accomadation but am stuggling! also what about renaissance hotel cost/night and is hotel russia (near the red square) girl friendly?
thanks

http://www.hotel-belgrad.ru/
Belgrade is $60-$70 a night and possibly less. Lonely Planet has a good article on renting apartments. The URL above is almost impossible to find using a search engine. Being its not in English, try here.
http://www.moscow-hotels.net/belgrade-hotel/

I also know an American who rents apartments more on a weekly basis.

Of several trips, i have only rented an apartment once, mostly because I get lost in Moscow and like the features of a hotel.

regarding Kalifornia.., I completely agree on the Apt thing. I have a GF I have been with for th last year there. Russian women think and expect completely different things than western women in most ways. This is like my 5th russian GF.

Primarily though, it is easier to get somewhere with a non-pro Russian than in most other parts of the world.
sex is not a big taboo as it is in the West.

Many of you will find that just being from somewhere outside Russia allows a 50 y/o man to get a 22 y/o girl in the sack. Social standards allow this, as in other countries.

Just like an American women being enthralled by an Italian or French man, Russian women tend to like foreigners, just to practice their English and they will show you off like a new car.

Being in my 30s though, I have found women around the world that have education and professional jobs to pretty much be the same in many ways. Women are just a bit more approachable in most situations in Russia and other parts of the world than America. Especially highly attractive ones.

Over 25 y/o, most women are Russian Retreads (divorced, like my GF) As anywhere else, they tend to carry baggage, but also seek less (or more) as a couple. In more traditional Russia, 22 is an old maid., in more modern or conventional cities, 25 is an old maid.

They have learned to support themselves and not be looking for immediate and serious romance than younger women. What this means is that you may get them in the sack much faster than a women who is overtly looking for a husband like marriage socials. Some have children and are really looking for a new supporter, while others just appreciate some attention.

I was fortunate enough to meet my current GF through another friend.., who i met oddly enough finding my way to Chesterfields. (but that is another story)

SunriseZone
10-21-02, 04:39
Hi all. Suffice it to say I've mongered plenty elsewhere, but not yet in Russia, though I'd like to.

I have November 28 - December 8 open and am wanting to visit Moscow for the first time. How will the time of year affect my enjoyment in terms of the action that is available and the cost/ease of procuring it?

I do not speak Russian...just Greek and English.

TIA

Nauskas
10-21-02, 05:26
Originally posted by SunriseZone
Hi all. Suffice it to say I've mongered plenty elsewhere, but not yet in Russia, though I'd like to.

I have November 28 - December 8 open and am wanting to visit Moscow for the first time. How will the time of year affect my enjoyment in terms of the action that is available and the cost/ease of procuring it?

I do not speak Russian...just Greek and English.

TIA

If you are in Greece, another monger friend of mine is a travel agent in Athens. he is highly knowledgeable.., and doesn't gouge mongers. but specialized more in tour groups..., so he seems to make his $ there.

Russia can cost some real $, depending on how you hadle VISA, hotel and girls.

English should be good enough, besides if you can read the greek alphabet, you already understand Russian

SunriseZone
10-21-02, 13:43
Thanks, but I am currently in the States.

I was really asking how the time of year that I was interested in going (early winter) would affect availability and price. Does street action disappear? Do clubs have fewer or more girls?

Because I speak Greek, it does not follow that I understand Russian. I can approximate the sounds represented by familiar letters, but have no idea what concepts they represent....just as English speakers would not understand the Spanish "seite muhares," though they could pronounce it.

CA Traveler
10-21-02, 15:00
Sunrise, regarding the weather in Russia in early winter... While there is nothing better than to be in Spb in the summer to watch the girls walk around in their almost see through dresses, other than the coats and boots everything else will be the same. In fact, in the summer, many of the girls head out to the resorts in So. Russia so there may actually be more girls around. For instance, last Feb in Spb Marstalls was packed every single night. Then in July, it was totally dead. In Moscow, I saw little difference between Feb/Mar and July. I just returned from 9 days in Moscow and the weather was like December, the only time activity was down was when it was pouring rain, but if it snowed there didn't seem to be any let down.

I suspect that just before the holidays may actually increase the activity because the girls will want to earn extra cash before Grandfather Frost comes around!

TRL
10-21-02, 18:25
Beansed.

Where are you from, and for how long did you live in Russia?

What I like about Russian women is that they are very independent and know how to look after themselves. It's a pity though that no one is really willing to take responsibility for them after bedding them. I guess that this is just the sad reality of everyone's life. The theory of relativity... cause and effect...

Nauskas
10-22-02, 14:02
Originally posted by TRL
Beansed.

Where are you from, and for how long did you live in Russia?

The theory of relativity... cause and effect...

Also in the States.

I by no means have as much experience as someone who lives in Russia, but I have had some unique events. I am only on VISA #3, which is a 1 year expiring the end of December.

#1 on a board, always many who know more, has more.

#2., even where i live.., I have no real knowledge of the hobby. So it depends on what someone does with their time.

I see your point about the last statement, but it reflects the political and Quality of Life issues as anywhere.
Men fly in for a short run at Target practice and leave.

If I lived there, it would be different, as I have learned a lot from others there., but mostly the women. at this point. I had to learn the hard way, even though others told me what I have repeated here .

So it depends on your view. I like Russian women because they tend to appreciate basics, but in other ways it aint easy anyway

Nauskas
10-22-02, 14:09
Originally posted by SunriseZone

I was really asking how the time of year that I was interested in going (early winter) would affect availability and price. Does street action disappear? Do clubs have fewer or more girls?
.

Anyone else is invited to add. Winters are brutal in Moscow. (high of 8 F, windy, wet snow) You will freeze your butt off.

Spring or Autum are better., with girls dressing very hot all the time (most or all young women) Summer gets above 105 F on some days, so if you go then you must ensure you have AC. (most hotels do not)

In winter you will find girls in the clubs and line-ups.., etc They wil mostly be wearing long skirts, heavy sweaters..., very different than when it is warmer. But the amount of time you will want to spend walking in the slush.., arggg

Nauskas
10-23-02, 01:53
Originally posted by RogerMellie
This time of year, where is the best place and time to find the street line ups? This is a good question., in the evening on the highway from the airport you will see them. (all over the place) Just look for headlights with people in front.

I would revert to others who live there for more useful information, but most drivers you flag down that speak English and drive for a living will take you to them.

With very limited insight on line-ups, I have had better luck just meeting women in shops, malls and restuarants. But clubs are pretty sure much your better bet for quality and return on investment. (also avoiding a spot passport check and bribe scam)

Problem with winter line-up is the same as other outside mongering. They are wearing heavy cloths and you cannot see their body. Also harder to see track marks and bruises. (like everywhere else in the world) But I have seen little of this in Russia.

So what you are left with is a cute face, so from there all you need to decide is if you envison that face going up and down for a BBBJ.

IMHO, I would stay with the clubs, and if I washed out there, probably stay at the Belgrade and order a $50 girl from Security (yes, they are the hookup)

Although Rossiya sucks for bringing in un-registered guests, you will get calls on the phone offering sex in your hotel room from inside. you will also find some of the bars on some floors with girls to score too.

Aleatreiu
10-23-02, 17:36
I'm going to moscow for business on the start of november.
Anyone can suggest me some god massage place where i can get good massage and also good BJ and what are the current rates.
Thank you

mont
10-24-02, 16:15
well after a funny conversation in half english / half russian, i finally managed to find the address of salon welcum, from where I got the phone number below. got there and waited by the phone box of the prescribed address, while I rang them again 5 minutes later, I man came over from the other side of the road and took me up into the salon. it was quite amazing, I sat down on the bed and then 10 hot chicks were brought in and I was asked to take my choice. choose a nice young fit lassie was a fantastic body. anyway it was 50 for the hour, when i enquired for 2 hours was told it would be 100. so perhaps, this was one of the more expensive ones?

also at hotel russia, there was mention that you could find ladies in the bars on each floor, or people ring you asking if you require company. what are these chicks like and what cost are they for the evening?

Explorer8939
10-25-02, 03:59
Originally posted by mont
anyway it was 50 for the hour, when i enquired for 2 hours was told it would be 100. so perhaps, this was one of the more expensive ones?

$50 an hour is midlevel for Moscow these days. I called Welcom, and they told me at the time that they were a sauna, but had no girls at the moment.


also at hotel russia, there was mention that you could find ladies in the bars on each floor, or people ring you asking if you require company. what are these chicks like and what cost are they for the evening? [/i]

Its irrelevant, because the hotel is so awful that you can't stay there.

Explorer8939
10-25-02, 04:05
Street girls are a sad proposition in Moscow, they are few, and their male friends are sitting right next to them in their car.


Originally posted by RogerMellie
This time of year, where is the best place and time to find the street line ups?

CA Traveler
10-25-02, 15:03
Can someone in Moscow tell me how the current terrorist activity is affecting the city and the availability of girls?

I am scheduled to arrive in Moscow two weeks from today. A friend there has suggested that I delay my trip. She says the town is very tense and almost "locked down". Of course, as a non-pro she is not looking at the same things that I (we) would look at.

Any help would be appreciated.

Zergut
10-29-02, 20:48
I am also scheduled a trip to Moscow maybe with a side trip to Voronezh. But, I am worry about the current unrest in Moscow. My interpretor is telling me not to worry about the situation and to follow through with my trip. I suspect that this is because I am paying her per hour to guide/interpret for me. I would like a second opinion from someone in Moscow or Voronezh. I may change my trip to visit the FKK clubs in Germany instead.

Is there is expat currently in Moscow who can gives some input to the current situation toward expat and the local girls in general?

CA Traveler and others who are heading to Moscow in November: If everything goes well and both of us decided to visit Moscow, maybe we can hook up for a day or so.

My trip are from the 13th November through the 18th. I will probably be in an apartment in Moscow and/or a hotel in Voronezh.

Email me at zergut2002@yahoo.com if you will be in Moscow during the same time.

Explorer8939
10-30-02, 04:19
I am scheduled to arrive in Moscow this Sunday, my business associates are telling me that things in Moscow are not that difficult.

Mohctep
10-31-02, 05:15
I can only suggest ask your friends(if you have some in Russia)where in Moscow your can still get Beautifull girls. I mean 9-10s that were use to available. Yes my friend Moscow now is very different from 1998 inflation crash.
Last time I was there working girls where not the same quality that city was known for. Mostly 5-6s ocasional 7 in looks.
If you dont speak russian it would be tough to score with regular chicks(non-pros). Turisty and pricy places are Night Flight and Metelitsa. First dimly light bar with tiny dance floor second is a huge casino with restaurant on a second floor. Both very pricey and have a good selection 50-70,average looking girls some cute some Okey occasional ageing model but overall 5-7 in looks.
Now,that said, I understand that I am pretty harsh judge of women looks. I have been around the block a couple of times. For very pussy hungry US guy it is still a paradise.
Turist places like the two I have mentioned would charge you admission around $20-40 but offer drinks for that amount. Girls usually ask for $300 and since money is flowing in Moscow they are getting it. I talk one down to 250 saying that i already have this price locked with another girl but like her better. Worked just fine.
Girls from agencies will ask anywhere from 50 to 150 depending on a level of an agency. The ones that ask more money usually have a prettyer girls. Times of 50 dollar fucks with 9s are long gone.
Plenty of girls in hotel bars you will see them they all stay togeather.
For quality of service it is very high usually. BBBJ are given. Russian women like to shag and know how to do it. I would rate them on the same level with Latin women. They swallow and do anal but second should be discussed before and requires extra payment.
Any night club would have great number of willing women semi-pros or amatures. Go to Circus (old Circus building in Moscow) for best faces around. The owners pay girls with free drinks to come and party at that place.
One bit of advice while you there dont smile to man when you entering rooms buildings elevators etc. And smile to women only when you hitting on them. Russians dont smile to each other unless one says something funny.
Hope it helps.

Nauskas
10-31-02, 06:59
Originally posted by mohctep

Hope it helps.

Thanks for the info, I will be back in Moscow over TG in November.

I am thinking airfares may take a dip as tourists will be in fear of Russia to an extent.

Not much has changed regarding what has been said. I will be in TJ the next three weekends though, so i will see if I am tempted.

I must agree with almost everything noted, except I have found almost all Young Russian women speak some English and more speak near fluent English these days.., it is the Language of capitolism. Even if they speak next to nothing, some sign language is all you need and you will know if she is a working girl.

The Economist notes it an unspoken rule that two dances or more with a working girls will denote a business deal. (you will pay her to go with you)

Mostly the ones who say they do not, don't like you. So many Russian Business websites are in only English and Russian for a reason.

Most Russian Hotels are like a really bad Best Western Hotel. Expect little and you will be dissaappointed less, but if you want western standards, you will pay western prices.

CA Traveler
10-31-02, 16:46
monster, nice post and good info. I'll try Circus on this next trip in November... I must say that you really are a harsh judge of Russian flesh! Or, maybe you are just correct and I'm a horny old fart!!! I would say also that at NF, the dance floor is not the focal point of the place.

beansed, I think you are correct when you say that most young girls speak English, but in reality, it think it is more correct to say that they understand some English and they may or may not try to speak it. I think that many people are just embrassed to attempt to speak the language because of poor pronunciation and/or lack of practice.

I've been very lucky earlier this month at Chesterfield's(boarhouse) picking up non-pro girls. However, I did notice that the working girls are beginning to fill the dance floor on some nights, but I'm not sure I agree that two dances with them seals the deal! Everyone seems to just be having a good time and it's a great opportunity to hook up with a non-pro.

Explorer8939
11-01-02, 04:15
Maldonado: the FBI has really, really good software for picking up IPs for posts like yours, so its been nice knowing you. For the rest of you, the street scene in Moscow is really decrepit, I wouldn't go there.

For you guys all excited about picking up "non-pros" in Moscow:

a) if you have to fly halfway around the world to pick up a non-pro, well that implies that your game ain't too good, so don't get your hopes up that your luck will be better in Moscow.

b) this is a hooker BBS anyway, and you're reading it, so should I say anymore?

Explorer



Originally posted by maldanado
i will be in moscow from nov 4th till the 16th. can anyone tell me where i can find 15-17 yr old street walkers.

Mohctep
11-01-02, 04:40
maldonado be very carefull with this adventure. legal age of consent in russia is 18. if russian mob finds out that you are forigner looking for **** *****s you will be delivered one and then set up and blackmailed. they love scams like that.
so if you looking for **** head to thailand. in moscow you may pay too much and possibly not with money.

Ortos
11-01-02, 13:08
I have been reading with great interest most of the posts in this section, as I am researching for my first trip to Moscow, due to depart later this month.

A question: One of my objectives in visiting --apart from hooking up with some Russian beauties and checking out the Moscow Sex Scene-- is to find a place to learn to speak Russian.

Perhaps one of you in-the-know Russia experts could give me a tip or two of how I might find the best place to take intensive language courses for beginners for a month or two in Moscow?

I know in Germany they have the Goethe Institut where you can pay some money and walk out one month later with rudimentary conversational German. Anything like that in Moscow? or in another Russian city for that matter?

Would love to combine my love of Russian women with my desire to learn the language. Hope somebody can help me find a few addresses of top schools or language tutors to check out whilst I am in Moscow. Thanks in advance for any help...

Kalifornia
11-02-02, 01:42
Comrade Otros,
try <http://www.studyrussian.com> -- the famos Moscow State University is as good as it gets for group classes. But if I were you, I would go to individual classes ... inquire at the same place or go to <http://www.expat.com> -- there is a boatload of offers to teach Russian or to even exchange English conversation for Russia, so it could be free for you -- more dough to spend of alcohol and women.
Comrade Maldonado -- the age of consent in Mother Russia is 14, so you can go on with your bad self. But watch out -- the girl who says she is 15 can actually be 12 or 13 and then you are screwed big time -- Russian jails are not on the recommended list ... at the very best, the cops will extort the living daylights out of you. So, like mohctep said -- ain't worth it.
Mohster, "Circus" is great -- I know what you are saying, brother. Also, "Zeppelin" and "13" -- superhot chicks everywhere. But the best way is to look at girls on the internet and see which ones you like best. Try <http://www.dosug.nu>; particularly <http://www.dosug.nu/girl.php?idg=3192&id=i106&i=3> should be easy on the eyes -- she LOVES anal sex, but is quite expencive -- $150/hr, but that includes vaginal, anal, BBBJ and she swallows ... she is crazy in bed. Have her break out this big ol' dildo, as she it taking a shower, and ram it up her ass -- better than Viagra ... not that I have tried the little blue pill.
have a good one.

Mohctep
11-02-02, 04:47
From my personal exp. The best way to have fun in Moscow is to book a private Sauna. There are 100s of them in any news paper.They all safe and clean offer pool tables and food and drinks for reasonable prices.
Hourly rate is from $20.00-to $60.00. Have a couple of friends togeather and split the cost. Then ask the personell to oder girls. Better to order or book girls in advance.It takes sometimes forever for them to arrive.I have been paying 40-50 bucks for 2 hours with semi pros of fuckable quality. The best bets in Moscow right now is independents they always have girlfriends if you need more flesh.
Or spend a day going throug agencyes that you think might have your kind of girls and see their line ups. They would show you all girls so you can make a choice. Quite a spectacle in itself. Write down the names of the girls you liked. Or if you see something really nice (which is rare) book her right away. They will deliver her to your place.
Avoid any strip bars as they often have money-milking scams. Like super expencive drinks and girls that almost extort money from you and you cannot take them home. Unless you pay tons of douh. PLus Russian women cannot dance (they are not Latinos) so you will see bunch of pretty amatureish lookin acts even at expencive places. Plus they mistakenly belive in Moscow that to see pussy you have to pay more then 1-2 dollars:)))))

CA Traveler
11-02-02, 21:21
Monster and Kalifornia... I'm looking forward to trying Circus, is it the old Circus at Tsvetnoy Blvd? If not, do you have an address, I can't find out anything about it.

Also, if you have more info on Zeppelin, it would be appreciated.

Thanks for the info.

Ortos
11-03-02, 14:10
Many thanks and salutations to Kalifornia for pointing out the www.studyrussian.com website! Exactly what I was looking for! The expat site never panned out: it connects to another site that has nothing to do with Russia! Anyway, thanks again and happy Kalifornicating to you in Russia and whereever you travel...

Hedonist
11-03-02, 17:59
mohctep:

Can you please tell more about this sauna business?

I called couple places when I was in Moscow last summer but my Russian wasn't enough to get by. Are you fluent in Russian? How did you arrange your sauna session? Did you have Russians in your company? Can you recommend some decent saunas that you've tried?

Spasibo!

Kalifornia
11-03-02, 21:52
Otros, you are welcome -- I screwed up, the site is <http://www.expat.ru>. There, this one works, I promise.

Nauskas
11-04-02, 06:14
Possibly some here will find that the fallout from the Moscow theater is as expected. Airfare is dipping even more., I have found Internet quoted rates are actually about 20% higher than booking agencies will quote for Hotels. (they are cheaper when booked)

Maybe if we are all so lucky, women are 20% less as well.

Any frst hand reports will be welcome.

Mohctep
11-05-02, 05:03
CA traveler: Circus is exactly where you think it is. Old Circus in Moscow. Entrance is on the side of the building(right side if you faceing it) There is no sign:) And when I was there building was under construstion. Girls are the most beautifull that I have seen in Moscow. Many professional models with gorgeous faces. Some pros are always there chilling. But hey in Moscow they all semi-pros:) Dont be upset if you leave with nothing they come there to chill or to find sugar-dady. Be aware of pick-pockets there as it gets very crowded after 1 a.m.
Zeppelin is also small club with some face control-pretence. Have been there on week day it was dead. Sapce itself is unremarkable. Not sure how babys look in there as I have not seen much.May be bad day.
Most happening places right now are Justo $ Jetset and Shamballa. Last two very small and very tough door as I've heard from others:)
For semi-pro action Chesterfield and Papa-Joe's where good also 16 Tonns on some nights would have a good selection of babys.
Club 13 is not bad if you can get in:)

Hedonist: I have no idea what to do... Call different places until some basic English presents itself. Or ask someone to interprit for you. Russian language is way too hard to learn for sauna reservation purposes:)
I do speak Russian pretty well myself.
But I am learning Spanish now:) Dont ask why....guess:)))))

CA Traveler
11-05-02, 20:21
monster, thanks for the clarification and info... Do you mean Papa Joes or Papa Johns?

I don't have any info on Justo or $? Do you have another name or an address?

I've got 17 nights in Moscow beginning on Friday and I plan to check out all the spots before this trip is over.

Boofer
11-06-02, 11:02
strip clubs boys, strip clubs. There is nothing more that makes my day. I have been to Safari Lounge and have had a blast. There is nothing more fun than seeing thoses amateur chicks shaking their thang in your face and after a while choosing another to shag in the Sauna rooms upstairs.

Are there any more clubs like that????? PLEASE advise. I'm going to go to Moscow in three days for a week.

Is there any fear from racism against dark people? Please advise about safety as well.

I have been to Moscow before with a bunch of Russians. This time I'm on my own.

Boofer
11-06-02, 11:08
CA traveler,

Please advise on hobby friendly hotels? Metropole? Golden Ring?
I need your assistance with five or four star hotels.

CA Traveler
11-06-02, 16:00
boofer, Safari Lounge is a great spot. There are many spots with lap dancing in Moscow. Log on to www.exile.ru and click on club reviews. You'll see a long list of clubs with atypical reviews.

My hotel experience in Moscow is limited to the Marriotts and the Sheraton. The Marriotts and the Renaissance are very nice and very user friendly... the only restriction is that you must escort the girl out unless it is mid-morning. You need a key to access the rooms, so you would have to meet any girl in the lobby.

The Sheraton told me that they require that the girl register. I abstained the one night I was there.

I think you can search the other posts to find out about the other hotels, but as I recall there are not many user friendly hotels around.

Boofer
11-06-02, 18:44
Thanks CA traveler,

The other lap dancing places have saunas, like in Safari????

Are you living in Moscow? I'm hoping to find a Canadian, or an American to hook up with during week nights. As for the week end, I'm flying to St. Petersburg with my ex boss.

I'm a Canadian with Greak blood.

Thanks again

CA Traveler
11-06-02, 22:52
boofer, my significant other in CA thinks I live in Russia, but no I only travel for the hobby.

I don't know know much about the lap dancing clubs, since that's not really the direction I normally . The girls are beautiful and the Safari Lounge, but the working girls that worked the "sauna" were a little too much pros for my tastes.

Have fun in Moscow and Spb.

Boofer
11-07-02, 16:51
Can't wait to get to Moscow. See you guys in a couple of days.
Any advise on which hotel has the most talent?

DownUnder
11-08-02, 01:13
Has anybody tried any of these russian marriage services ?? I was thinking about trying a foreign affair (www.russianwomen.com) ??? What I need to know is-- I'am wasting my money or is it worth it ???

Thanks,

Downunder

Tolsa
11-08-02, 15:30
Downunder:
Give a try to http://love.mail.ru/ (select then the link http://love.mail.ru/category/1150.html). It brings you to adds for ladies seeking for men (long term relationship I believe) with picture included. Most of them are real next door ladies (some can be very cute, believe me). I have got several REAL "talks" with some of them. Of course you may find ladies that will try to cheat on you but you will notice it quite fast.
Coming back to WSG fundamentals, I must also mention that there is also a pro or semi-pro (my favorite) section also with picture : follow the link http://love.mail.ru/category/1500.html. Many of the ladies might turn you on ! They often give informations such as phone number and prices.
Good luck and keep me/us informed !!

Explorer8939
11-10-02, 02:49
You will get a Russian wife, until she has been married long enough to get a green card. Then, you won't have a Russian wife.




Originally posted by downunder
Has anybody tried any of these russian marriage services ?? I was thinking about trying a foreign affair (www.russianwomen.com) ??? What I need to know is-- I'am wasting my money or is it worth it ???

Armorer
11-10-02, 06:05
What is wrong with that. Means you can get a new wife later, once the old one is gone. Novel idea if you are brave enough to try it.

Explorer8939
11-11-02, 09:27
Your theory is a great one, too bad its just a theory. The reality is that poligamy through serial divorces will make you a very poor man.

At any rate, its much cheaper to find working girls in Moscow than to seek marriange. If you prefer the latter approach, there are boards that cater to that illness.




Originally posted by Armorer
What is wrong with that. Means you can get a new wife later, once the old one is gone. Novel idea if you are brave enough to try it.

Kalifornia
11-13-02, 01:39
Explorer -- I totally second your opinion: it is far cheaper to fly every month to Russia and get your elf a little weekend orgy with two or three beauties than becoming a serial divorcee.

Zork
11-13-02, 02:31
wouldn't do it
most of the marriage services look phony and how can you find the 1% that are trustworthy?
Also you'd spend one very large chunk of money for fees, visa etc. instead of many small ones on working girls ... more risky...

Explorer8939
11-13-02, 04:45
Guys, as interesting as the topic of marriage by Internet is (not), let's get back to business.


Last night I went to the Club Siesta massage parlor, in walking distance of the Aeroport metro. 900 rubles $28) got me a one hour erotic massage. Not a bad time for a Wednesday night after work. The girl was thin, nice chest, long legs, eager to please.

TRL
11-13-02, 17:58
Explorer,

Please describe the erotic massage you had. Did it include fj or just hand relief.

Explorer8939
11-13-02, 18:38
Okay, dokey.

It was 40 minutes of standard Russian massage, lots of deep tissue being worked. Then, the girl stripped naked and started rubbing herself against me while I was still lying on my stomach. She asked me to turn over and started the same rubbing on top of me.

After about 5 minutes of that, she continued the rubbing while performing a HJ, I don't know what would have happened after that, because I reached my limit and popped at that point.




Originally posted by TRL
Explorer,

Please describe the erotic massage you had. Did it include fj or just hand relief.

Explorer8939
11-14-02, 20:19
Moscow update:

Sprut: closed.

Safari Club: still going strong. Charged me 500 rubles to get in.

24h.ru: the great bordello on Pushkin Square seems to be gone.

In general, many places seem frightened of new customers, a couple simply have said that they're aren't massage places, salons, etc, just apartments (over the phone).

Kalifornia
11-15-02, 09:17
Explorer, try calling any of the lovely ladies from <http://www.dosug.nu> -- they ain't pulling any punches ... believe that.

Doctor_Skank
11-15-02, 09:30
Hi Kalifornia,

I WILL try one of the ladies from dosug.ru! Request some advice... How much do they average in cost for 1-2 hours? Any personal recommendations? Also, in your experience, does the girl match the ad?

Just for the database, I picked up a working girl at D&M's Boarhouse a year ago, really kind of lousy and $80, and once picked up 2 streetwalkers in a line up on Tverskaya 3 years ago for $50 each and it was a great time... took both back to the Marriott and banged away all night after they emptied the minibar ... no hassle with hotel security, but my minibar bill cost more than the girls! Haven't seen those typical prostitute line-ups with 10-15 girls in a long time...just on the road leading to the airport. Does that still take place in the center? Or has the market moved? Any advice would be helpful.

Thanks

Explorer8939
11-15-02, 09:37
Kal:

No problem finding girls at all here, its more a function of my free time and distance from the hotel. Dosug.nu doesn't always give the metro stop and price of the girls, so the variables are sometimes difficult to work in real time.

BTW, affordable hotels that allow guests are a premium in Russia, and discussions about this issue often devolve into three tracks:

a) just pay Security to let the girl in. This can often cost 100 bucks.

b) Stay at some $300 American-style hotel.

c) in theory, it may be possible to ..... etc., etc.

I am trying the Congress Iris hotel tonight, double occupancy $110 a night, nice hotel but far from metro and center, no visible Security.




Originally posted by Kalifornia
Explorer, try calling any of the lovely ladies from <http://www.dosug.nu> -- they ain't pulling any punches ... believe that.

Kalifornia
11-15-02, 23:41
Dr., I have no idea how it is to pick up women from the street -- I recommend going to salons -- much less hassle and if you establish rappor with them, it will be a good, steady place for you to "relax". A bunch of street walkers are by Hotel Moskva and by the Dinamo Metro station, but they are sorta scary.
But here are some of the girls that I can safely recomend -- they work out of their own place, so you don;t have to spring for the hotel and/or a minibar. With a hotel and a minibar, you should be banging women and they should end up owing you ... this is Russia, after all.
Ok, try out there beauties:
1. Lera at <http://www.dosug.nu/girl.php?id=u004&idg=3085>, lives near Arbat metro station, which is in the center.
2. Zhanna at <http://www.dosug.nu/girl.php?id=i106> -- she ain't cheap ($150/hr), but that includes anal, BBBJ and she swallows big time; she is crazy about anal sex, by the way -- her silicon 36DDD don't hurt much either.
3. Natalie and Sofia (5,000 Rbls/2 hrs for both) -- for the ultimate in menage a trois experince. Money well spent, if you ask me. And here they are, close to metro Park Kulturi at <http://www.dosug.nu/prev-psc.php?id=p886>
All of the above-mentioned girlies are as advertised -- when you follow the links, just look at their pictures and see which ones you like.
Let me know how it worked out.
Oh, by the way, a college buddy of mine is setting up a litte operation, where he is picking up people from hotels in his Grand Cherokee and delivers them to a secure location with a steam room, a swimming pool, a jacuzzi, a bar and a bunch of extremely beautiful naked Russian girls. I will let you know once he gets it rolling.
Have a good one.

Mohctep
11-16-02, 19:42
I have been going to Russia for hobby regularly but stopped 2 years ago. There are better women and better places in a world than Moscow. I live in NE so Montreal with French girls are 4 hours away. If you have to pay $100-150 for Russian girls then you paying more then they charge in Montreal.
What is the point of suffering through 12 hour flight to country with terrible climate & terrible crime just to have sex with overpayed hooker? Plus let's just say most of us dont speak Russian,so there is no GFE there. PLus let's be honest all pretty Russian-Ukranian girls work in Europe now. The only thing you can find in Moscow is tired looking broad in her late 20 early 30s that has poor parody of ass no tits no waist and in 90% cases ugly slavic face. Why the hell u still flying there guys???Unless of course it's abusiness trip.

Doctor_Skank
11-16-02, 21:15
Kalifornia,

Thanks for the info and recommendations... the Jeep Cherokee Express sounds interesting...hope it is up and running soon! As for street girls, it is not really my preference either, just curious where they all went. I'll be in St.P and Mos sometime at the beginning of December and will try a dosug girl while in Moscow...

Take it easy all... report follows when I am back...

BigthDikth
11-16-02, 23:31
What do locals pay for a lap dance in Moscow? St. Petersburg? Etc. What do they pay for sex for an hour with a hottie in the different cities? Anyone know?

Kalifornia
11-17-02, 02:58
mohctep -- granted, it does not pay to fly all the way to Mother Russia just to "git jiggy wid it". As I live in Southern California, Mexico is only 2 short, adrenaline-filled hours away, with that follows ... However, whenever I go to Russia on business, I find Russian women beautiful. I have gotten laid for free countless times, but sometimes I just want to feel "bad" or there is a time constraint that makes me direct my attention to women of ill repute. If you speak Russian, as I do, you can find some obscure salons, where you will get laid for as little as $20/2 hrs with a young, beautiful 17 year old fresh out of the provinces. You can get laid with the most beautiful woman outside of Moscow and St. Peteresburg (my favorite is either Samara or Ivanovo) for $30/2 hrs. And when I say beautiful, I mean really off the hook. There are still millions of eager, beautiful young women in Russia, no matter how many of them migrate to Europe or Turkey. I don;t know if you have ever been to Ivanovo, Samara, Vladimir, Volgograd, Kostroma, etc -- there is a lot of cheap (and very often completely free) "talent" out there. "Ugly Slavic face" is an oxymoron. Oh, and the swing parties in Russia are out of this world -- about 5 girls per one guy ... if you count sober guys, the ratio goes up to 10.
Doctor -- you will do very well in Moscow and better still in St. Pete -- the girls in St. Pete are more beautiful and about 20%cheaper -- it gives me no pleasure to say that, as I am a native Moskovite. If you can a Russian-speaking friend set you up -- so much the better, but the bottom line is: you go on with your bad self!
Have a good one.

Explorer8939
11-17-02, 06:01
Back in the USA. Unfortunately, I didn't get a lot of free time this trip for mongering, I didn't stay in Moscow long enough, too many side trips to Samara, Dnieprpetrovsk, etc. But, I plan to return in a week.

This time, I may take a week or two off business, and either hangout in Moscow, take a monger trip to Novosibirsk, or maybe even take Aeroflot to Bangkok.

If my vacation is in Moscow, I still may take a side trip to Vladimir or Voronezh.

As for the guy who was ranting about ugly slavic girls, either he's gay or a Chechen.

Kalifornia
11-17-02, 07:20
Explorer, Chechens like Russian girls just fine ... so, that sorta narrows it down for him ... hehehe :)))

Explorer8939
11-17-02, 12:09
Let me ask this question about Moscow hotels once again:

Assuming that one registers for double occupancy prior to staying at the hotel, what are the best *reasonably* priced hotels in Moscow for bringing outside girls back to your room without having to duel with hotel security?

I know that the $800 a night rooms in Hotel National are OK, as are most American style hotels, but what other hotels are OK, too?

BTW, Iris Congress is OK with bringing girls back. If you register for double occupancy, they can have a free breakfast in the AM, too.

Kalifornia
11-17-02, 20:02
Explorer -- you can get a double, triple or even quadruple occupancy if you want to, but you are gonna have to register all the persons who are staying there (and that includes names and passport info). So, your choices are: go to some $200/night western-style hotel or use the hotel's prostitutes.
Wait, you could also go to a salon and save yourself a lot of money a hassle -- girls in the salon are usually cheaper and you can refuse services of any of them even after they show you what they look like under their clothes (i.e. not-so-perky breasts).

Global Exec
11-19-02, 12:51
Hi guys, been reader for ever, time to post. I travel regularly to Shanghai, Brasil, and am at the moment in Moscow. I am staying at the Renaissance Moscow, Monday night the girls were thick in the lower level Bar. They dont waste any time approaching, seems like the initial asking price is always 300, then they will drop to 200, much more expensive than Brasil or China. Any way girls looks 5-7 not any real drop dead georgous pieces on monday night. They are strong negotiators, wont budge off the 200 quote but seems the traffic in the hotel will bear the price. Any guys looking on hobby info on Brasil or china are welcome to ask and I will share what I know.

BigthDikth
11-20-02, 07:11
Hey Explore, Global exe, Kalifornia, I got 1/2 the info I asked for but what about the lap dancing? When I was in Australia I got hooked on them! $25 a half-hour! Pretty cheap for a western country. What do the locals pay in the different Russian cities? I ask this because I want something to look forward too! There is nothing like a bunch of girls competing to f*ck you via lap dances! If you don't know, trust me you will have fun finding out! The only requirement is they've got to be cheap otherwise...

Wanderer1000
11-21-02, 00:40
I will be travelling to Russia for two months next summer. I will spend my first month in Moscow studying Russian with a tutor about twenty hours a week and enjoying the women with all of the great information from this site and the many web-sites like Sexhouse.ru, topgirls.ru, etc. My conversational Russian should hopefully hit the intermediate range by then (I'm using Pimsleur now).
Where should I spend my second month for an excellent mongering feast? I'm putting ratio of females to males, beauty of the women and sweetness of the women above the sites of a city or area. I read that Novosibirsk has been referred to as the Bangkok of Russia (I think this was Explorer). The ratio of women to men is 7:1? What would some knowledgable players do if they had a month to play anywhere in Russia with a basic conversational level in Russian?
Thanks in advance!

Hedonist
11-21-02, 02:57
Kalifornia,

You mentioned Samara in one of your postings. I might end up going to Samara for business reasons. There is whole lot of information on Moscow and Peter but nothing about the provincial Russian cities. Can you please do us/me a favor and share your experiences in Samara and in the other provincial cities? Recommendations of salons, pick-up clubs would be helpful. How dangerous is nightlife in provincial Russia compared to Moscow in your opinion. After reading the posting on Voronezh by student I got scared little bit. Should we stay away from nigtlife all together in these cities? Enlighten us please!

Explorer8939
11-22-02, 01:42
Iris-Congress Hotel is girl friendly, and costs only $89 a night over the Internet. If you register for double, you can feed the girl free breakfast in the AM.

Down side: its waaaaaaay far away from the metro.

Explorer


Originally posted by Kalifornia
Explorer -- you can get a double, triple or even quadruple occupancy if you want to, but you are gonna have to register all the persons who are staying there (and that includes names and passport info). So, your choices are: go to some $200/night western-style hotel or use the hotel's prostitutes.

Explorer8939
11-22-02, 01:45
Sorry to interrupt, but you will find the information you are looking for in the "Other Areas" section here.





Originally posted by Hedonist
Kalifornia,

You mentioned Samara in one of your postings. I might end up going to Samara for business reasons. There is whole lot of information on Moscow and Peter but nothing about the provincial Russian cities. Can you please do us/me a favor and share your experiences in Samara and in the other provincial cities? Recommendations of salons, pick-up clubs would be helpful. How dangerous is nightlife in provincial Russia compared to Moscow in your opinion. After reading the posting on Voronezh by student I got scared little bit. Should we stay away from nigtlife all together in these cities? Enlighten us please!

Kalifornia
11-22-02, 01:54
Bigth, unfortunately, I know very little about the strip clubs -- other member have posted reviews of places, such as Safari Lounge, etc., but I recently been only to Spearmint Rhino and it was all handled by my generous hosts. So, I have no clue -- in Russia, I concentrate, mostly, on the actual sex -- there is no time in my life to be teased, but I'm sure that going to an amazing strip club is very rewarding. Conversely, if you are gonna blow $25/30 mins, why not up the ante to $50 and get to have real sex with a cute 18yo?

jak, I seriosuly doubt that after only 1 month of tutoring, your Russian, somehow, will be in the intermediate range. Also, there is no need to go some place special and have fun -- you can get more sex in Moscow and St. Pete than you can handle, anyways. Much less go all the way to Novisbirsk -- the ratio of 7 girls to 1 guy is evident in many night clubs in Russia. All you need is a good native guide to steer you to the right places -- invest in building a relationship with a Russian guy (or a girl). Still, you MAY want to go to the Black Sea, as a lot of women go there to have sex with strangers ... damn, although Samara, Volgograd and a bunch of other cities are also attractive. Best bet -- stay in Moscow and St. Pete, get to know these cities and its beautiful inhabitants.

Hedonist, if you are unfamiliar with Russia and don't speak Russian, going to Samara by yourself is a good idea. It is not that's in dangerous, but you can be taken advantage of, as lonely foreigners are seldom seen in Samara. The reason why I love it is because it has a favorable men/women ratio and the girls are particularly goodlooking ... must be the polluted water or the smogged air ... not sure why. If you are going there for a business, your hotel personnel will steer you in the right direction, maybe your Russian partners will get you the contacts. Bottom line -- it's very easy to get laid there and you can do things there for $50 that would cost you $200 in Moscow (all night, 2 bisexual girls). I got my sex in Samara for free just by being nice and speaking fluent Russian ... oh, and due to my ravishingly good looks, of course. if you are in a real jam, let me know and I will kick down some safe Samara digits for you.

Explorer8939
11-22-02, 02:06
This is not strictly a question about Moscow, but are there any sanatoriums near Moscow that are affordable and fun?

BigthDikth
11-22-02, 12:39
Thanks for the response Kalifornia, I was in Brisbane and the pay for sex scene isn't happening there now. I did f*ck one of the girls that night for free. There was a lot of chemistry between us and she was horny so I got luck. Strippers/lapdancers tend to work you for money and it is rare that guys get lucky with them, it only happens on a blue moon. But I think it might be different in Eastern Europe. I like to go to the places where locals go. $20/2 hrs with a young, a beautiful hottie fresh from the provinces is a local deal and I'm sure they are all over the place if you know where to look. The girls don't speak much English but you but you can spend all day having fun for the price of on hour. When I was in St Petersburg I found a place that charged $25 for two girls for an hour and the girls were as hot as you'd want them. I am going to Russia or the Ukraine for 8 months just to party and site see and I am trying in advance to find good but inexpensive strip clubs. I will probably find some guy at a bar and have them show me around...

Hedonist
11-22-02, 21:40
Kalifornia and the rest of the gang:

I'm into clubbing scene. That's where I pick up women mostly. This is much more fun, of course if you have the time. How is the clubbing scene in provincial cities like Samara, Voronezh etc? As a lonely foreigner what is the risk of running into trouble in clubs in these smaller cities. What should I expect? Moscow was no problem. StP either. For your info, I speak very little Russian, I managed to get the address of NightCat in Moscow over the phone :) If you can write numbers of salons in Samara that could be helpful too. Spasibo bolshoe!

TRL
11-23-02, 10:49
Kalifornia,

Please tell more about the fuck-for-all in the Black Sea. Like when's the festival or when is the best time to go....access and how the girls are like.

Nauskas
11-24-02, 10:05
I am trying out the Arbat Hotel next week.

Will Let you know, but it is like $100 double per night.

This is more than i have paid in the past and also more than a Flat. But I prefer a hotel.


Originally posted by Explorer8939
Let me ask this question about Moscow hotels once again:

Assuming that one registers for double occupancy prior to staying at the hotel, what are the best *reasonably* priced hotels in Moscow for bringing outside girls back to your room without having to duel with hotel security?

I know that the $800 a night rooms in Hotel National are OK, as are most American style hotels, but what other hotels are OK, too?

BTW, Iris Congress is OK with bringing girls back. If you register for double occupancy, they can have a free breakfast in the AM, too.

Nauskas
11-24-02, 10:08
FYI

GreenCard stay to be Permanent is still 3 Years.., not two.

I am no expert on all this, and have done some very low level Official action in the arena..

but all you need to do is visist www.state.gov for advice.

Also for travellers,
travel.state.gov will give you all the 911 scares and innoculation advice you will ever need.

Make sure you get a Flu shot before you head out, and definately Malaria if you visit Russia in the warm weather Otherwise, make sure you get Tetanus.., cause there is Rusty metal in the sidewalks and curbs to easily get sick from. Probably a greater risk than some VD.

Boofer
11-24-02, 12:23
Oh la la and Safari Lounge. Great chicks, great strips, great BJ's.
Hotel lobby action was pretty ugly. After all this action, went to Garage (a club) and was very easy to pick up sexy russian chicks for no money what's o ever. Great country. Desperate to go back.

Nauskas
11-24-02, 21:57
Okay-

a few things-

Anyone done a massage at the Marriott ?


Please name any Metro stations where day time activities are flourishing.

I will be in Mscow over Thanksgiving., so those interested in yapping, email me at <handle>@yahoo.com

Explorer8939
11-25-02, 08:05
Metro station action? Surely, you are kidding.

BTW, I am back in Moscow (again) and will report shortly on some new attractions.



Originally posted by beansed

Please name any Metro stations where day time activities are flourishing.

Explorer8939
11-26-02, 11:13
Visited the NightCat salon again last night, and had the pleasure of the company of a young girl called "Iliona". Cost was 1200 rubles ($37).

Here's a nice photo of this girl:

http://www.nightcat.ru/ilonah-1.htm

Anyway, it was money well spent.

Things are fairly normal in Moscow these days, do not listen to the rumor mongers.

Kalifornia
11-26-02, 11:15
Hedonist, you should go to Sochi -- any hotel will be full of action, all of the beaches are topless and many are nude -- so it is easy to meet women there -- what you see is what you get. Lost of students, bored housewives, etc. go there to get laid -- it's a well-known fact of life. Best time to go is from mid-May to late September. Ukrainian part of the Black Sea is even better -- cheaper and the girls are prettier, but you gotta get the visa, etc -- not worth the hassle.
TRL, if you go to Samara, go to clubs Titanic and Iceberg ... fortunately they are miles apart from each other. You will NOT need salons, if you promise the girls to take them to a nice hotel and buy them dinner (heavy on alcohol). So, I never got ahold of any salons there -- next time I will bring a baseball bat, as I had to defend myself from hordes or tall, sexy Russian girls ... ah, Samara.

Masta
11-26-02, 15:17
Not sure if you guys talking about the black sea Ukraine region are Americans or not. If so:

Effective July 1, 2002 the Ukrainian Government introduced visa free travel for stays of up to eight days for American citizens arriving at the international airports of Simferopol and Odessa and at the international port of Odessa. Travel must originate abroad and end at these ports of entry without any other initial stop in Ukraine. Travelers must also depart Ukraine from the same port used at the time of arrival.


Straight from the US State Departments website. Check it out for yourself!


FYI :)

Doctor_Skank
11-26-02, 15:47
Hi Kalifornia...

Ukranian Black Sea Coast... sounds cool. Any particular resort area that is good? What about language... I don't speak Ukrainian, but do speak basic Russian. Suppose it is the same as in Russia... younger girls speak some English, nobody above 35 does?

Thanks for any advice.

BTW: heard that the Russian Black Sea coast area got hammered by storms this summer... maybe the resort areas are in even worse shape than before? Also, Russian friends of mine reported that Sochi isn't cheap at all... or maybe my friends are just cheap?

Explorer8939
11-26-02, 15:56
Kal:

What hotels in Samara let you bring in outside girls to your room?




Originally posted by Kalifornia

TRL, if you go to Samara, go to clubs Titanic and Iceberg ... fortunately they are miles apart from each other. You will NOT need salons, if you promise the girls to take them to a nice hotel and buy them dinner (heavy on alcohol).

Explorer8939
11-26-02, 15:59
Masta:

First off, you should re-post your message under the Ukraine section, not Russia.

Second, I am not aware of the mongering opportunities in Simferopol or Odessa, please elaborate (in the Ukraine section).



Originally posted by masta
Not sure if you guys talking about the black sea Ukraine region are Americans or not. If so:

Effective July 1, 2002 the Ukrainian Government introduced visa free travel for stays of up to eight days for American citizens arriving at the international airports of Simferopol and Odessa and at the international port of Odessa. Travel must originate abroad and end at these ports of entry without any other initial stop in Ukraine. Travelers must also depart Ukraine from the same port used at the time of arrival.


FYI :)

Masta
11-26-02, 17:07
I only posted that as an FYI in repsonse to Kalifornia mentioning Ukraine black sea coast is a great option, but it is hard to get there because of the visa situation. I wrote that in reply to let him know if he's an American, the situation has changed drastically as of recently. Simferopol and Odessa are near the black sea coast, and close to Sevastopol which is also a great black sea place to meet tons of Ukraine women.

Was just a little information in reply to him. It's not so hard anymore to get there, if your an American.

Kalifornia
11-26-02, 18:53
masta -- good info, thanx ... I am a US citizen, so it works for me ... however, if you don't have a multiple-entry visa for Russia, you would have to obtain yet another visa to go back to Russia from Ukraine ... also, to go to Ukraine and not visit Kiev or Yalta -- screw that ... so, that's why I say it's a pain in the azz.

doktor, Sochi is the best in Russia, everybody there speaks Russian, the sea is warm, it is not too expencive ... the damage done by the weather should be restored by next year, but who cares. if you still want to go to the Ukrain, try Yalta and/or Odessa. I love Yalta a lot -- nice, beautiful city and you can take all kinds of boat and hiking trips from there.

explorer, I stayed at the Hansa, a 3-star product of a Russo-German joint venture ... sometimes the girls would invite me to their apartments in the city. As I am a big and scary guy and I speak fluent, unaccented Russian, I know what chances to take -- it all worked out great, actually. Hansa was gentle on me and let me bring in whomever I wanted. As to the girl -- great call for a good price. you make me proud :)))

TRL
11-30-02, 17:00
Kalifornia,

Strastuyje - Kak dela? About Russian, there's problems when it comes to cases. How did you buff up your Russian?

Dinghy
11-30-02, 19:14
TRL - K's Russian is based on his having been a "native speaker" (he learned English AFTER he learned Russian IIRC) But I might be wrong...

Kalifornia
12-01-02, 05:36
TRL, I'm afraid that dinghy has a point -- I am a native speaker of Russian, who is aalso blessed by speaking unaccented American English. Thus, I can preted to be an American, for I have spent most of my life in the States, and yet be fully aware of what the people around me are saying.
I don't mean to freak you guys out, but once I overheard this one girl say to another girl how she was gonna take me to her place and then call her pimp and his friends, who were gonna rob me. Needless to say, things did not go according to her plans.
The moral of the story -- don't worry about cases, ending, conjugations and all that stuff. Try to understand the jist of it and if you can't, make sure that there is somebody watching your six. This is true no matter where you are -- Moscow, London, New York or Kuala Lumpur. I think one can fully relax only in Lichtenstein :)))

Seydlitz
12-01-02, 12:15
Guys,

there is this new columnist for The Exile, Denis Salnikov, who is so incredibly nouveau riche, or rather the son of a nouveau riche. He explains his views on Moscow's nightlife, what he does with his equally wealthy friends and the places he visits that you and I could never hope to get to see the inside due to what he calls "face control".

His writings are much fun, outrageous and, if accurate, provide a glimpse of the lifestyle of Russia's "elite" ploutocrats.

Here is the link to this week's installment: http://www.exile.ru/155/1550606118.html

Any comment from the resident hobbyists ?

Kalifornia
12-01-02, 20:22
Seydlitz, I am familiar with Mr. Salnikov's work. There is no such thing as "face control" -- if you are a foreigner, you can get into any club you want, as long as you are properly dressed and bribe the security guys. Yeah, ou can have sex with a bunch of beautiful Russian women who go to Zeppelin, Muzei, XIII and other clubs like that, provided that you flash some bling-bling. I can tell you what you need to do to impress the living daylights out of that sort of a crowd: AT LEAST a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8, an Omega watch, everything Versace and about $300 in your pocket, all of which is not a big deal for an average westerner.
Any normal Russian detests Mr. Salnikov and his robber baron of a father. People like his dad destroyed Russian economy, corrupted the government and made Russia into a 3rd world country, despite its riches. So, fu*k Denis Salnikov, he never worked for this money, he would not have a clue how to make a buck himself, his entertaining musings notwithstanding. Besides, for $300 you can have an orgy of monumental proportions -- we are talking amazing food and alcohol, 2 beautiful, bisexual girls, your own sauna and stuff like that. If Denis wants to be impressive, why not go and get a PhD in economics or math from MIT.
Bottom line: Denis cannot offer me or anybody on this forum anything that we cannot get ourselves ... in fact, I am sure if he saw Oksana, a girl I was with a few weeks ago, he would cream his pretty pink panties. Oksana was the bomb!

Seydlitz
12-01-02, 21:18
Kalifornia,

your post confirms what I thought. Sadly, such a crowd does exist elsewhere than in Moscow, too.

It is ironic that The Exile, that for years was one of the very few English-language media to report of the corruption, election rigging and wholesale distribution of Russia's richess to Yeltsin's mob, would employ the offspring of that very crowd.

On the possibility of indulging in massive orgy, I do not doubt that it is possible, or even easy once you know where to go, but to the occasional visitor to Russia, the scene is a bit intimidating, at least if one does not speak Russian.

In that context, I am planning a trip to Saint-Petersburg, and possibly to Moscow for early next year. I would be grateful for directions/suggestions. I should mention that I have read the content of this forum already.

Kalifornia
12-02-02, 01:54
Seydlitz, Exile is in the business of shocking its audience, aside from some good investigative journalism. I think that Mr. Salnikov's posts are very apropos, as he exemplifies a controversial force in modern Moscow social life. He is not the creme de la creme, of course. Such people drive around not in some pitiful LandCruisers, but in Ranger Rovers or MBZ G500s and an escort vehicle ... but more to the point:
let me know what exactly you want and how much money you can spend and I will try to direct you towards the proper source.

Doctor_Skank
12-02-02, 11:15
I found Denis's column quite interesting, as even though I am certainly an above-average Westerner in many respects (by my own humble admission), I don't have $300 to blow on an average day and am interested in what goes on in these circles of which I have no access too. I am both fascinated by this info and turned off by it...which is exactly what eXile hopes to achieve. I enjoy reading eXile's mixture of good journalism and trash/shock journalism. And their club guide is perfect for any Moscow newcomer, there is no comparable collection of club reviews available... and they are also full of really good info for guys like us looking to get LAID. Moscow is a fantastic market for guys to get some fantastic women for free... but still the charm of the non-commital pure sex working girl is unabated... the mix is the real fascination of this city for me.

Seydlitz
12-02-02, 21:38
Kalifornia,

thanks for the offer. As you might know, I am a rather active poster in the Thailand section, since I have visited that country repeatedly for the last fifteen years.

As far as Russia is concerned, I have a very limited past experience, having spent a mid-summer fortnight in Saint-Petersburg. At that time, all I managed to get paid-sex-wise (I was on a family holiday after all) were a few visits to Golden Dolls. It was mostly very good and quite intimate lapdancing and I had to negotiate quite hard to get full service in one of the VIP rooms. A great experience for what it is worth, but rather expensive, with an extremely attractive 19-year old brunette.

Now to the point, as you say. Basically, my understanding of what Russia has to offer is as follows (and please correct me if I got it wrong): massive numbers of available women selling sex, in the "classic" ways, i.e. streetwalkers and agencies, like most other places in the world. Only difference here is the average beauty of the girls, although looks are not necessarily so hot judging from internet pics, and the lower price (supposed to be well below Western levels).

What I understand makes Russia a special place are the salons and the saunas. Over there one can get unhurried high quality (ie skilled, wild, uninhibited) sex with one or more attractive girls.

Pricewise, my understanding of the going rates is that 2000 rubles for 2 hours is a decent rate. Anything below is a bargain, anything above becomes pricy (to reach outrageous levels with 2-500 USD etc...)

I hope I did my homework well.

What I would want is basically two different things (or not, as the case may be). First I'd like to sample the "hardcore sex" part of the agenda. I guess that would mean finding hot attractive girls to do the deed repeatedly (classic, oral, anal, ...), probably in a comfortable, clean, safe, relaxed environment, like a sauna (I actually enjoy the sauna experience, even when there is no sex on the menu).

Second, for the duration of my stay (about one week maybe), I'd like to have the company of a sweet local beauty. Beside the obvious personal services I'd expect from her, it would help if she spoke good English, so that she might double as an interpreter, since the purpose of my upcoming visit to St Petersburg is to do some research in the military and naval archives, where English skills of the staff are limited, and the raw material exclusively in Russian anyway.

Moneywise, I would prefer to keep a reasonable spending profile, but I appreciate that the kind of quality I want comes at a price. Convenience and enjoyment take precedence on strict value for money, keeping in mind that a non-Russian speaker is bound to pay more than a local in any case.

Location-wise, it would be St-Petersburg, but I am tempted to throw in a few more days in Moscow. I'd rather avoid the hassle of hotels and would prefer serviced appartments if it contributes to getting me the experience I want.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but I tried to be specific. Thanks again in advance for your suggestions.

Hedonist
12-03-02, 20:27
Kalifornia!
Another call for you... You recently recommended a few clubs in Samara. Since I chickened out after the scary posting on Voronezh, recenty I have been gathering info about the provincial Russian cities. I am getting contradictary comments. Some people say everything should allright, others say that I lost my mind. Can you please tell me your opinion on this? Other people with experience in provincial Russia are more than wellcome to comment. Will I be risking too much going out to clubs in these cities? How is the clientile of clubs in these cities? Will I see just flatheads and hookers, or ordinary people as well? How is life in general and attitude towards foreigners in these cities? If you could enlighten me when you get a chance I would appreciate it. Thanx.

Explorer8939
12-03-02, 22:38
Information about other Russian cities is available in the "Other Areas" section. I just came back from a long weekend in Kaluga, no problem. Having been to Samara and Voronezh, I would say that an American tourist there is safer than walking down the streets of the average American city, certainly safer than Moscow.



Originally posted by Hedonist
Since I chickened out after the scary posting on Voronezh, recenty I have been gathering info about the provincial Russian cities. I am getting contradictary comments. Some people say everything should allright, others say that I lost my mind. Can you please tell me your opinion on this? Other people with experience in provincial Russia are more than wellcome to comment.

Explorer8939
12-03-02, 22:39
I just did a girl at the NightCat salon, and found out that their prices have risen from 1200 rubles two weeks ago to 1650 rubles.

Granted, the interior has been remodeled, that's quite a jump.

Seydlitz
12-04-02, 01:38
Explorer8939,

Still, by Western European standards, it is more than affordable. It is all relative after all. Especially if the girl gave you a good time. How much did your 1650 rubles buy you, by the way ?

Since it seems that you are a regular customer of that salon, I assume that you would recommend it. Any particular thing one should consider before trying that one out for myself if and when I visit Moscow ? Do they speak English, for example ?


Originally posted by Explorer8939
I just did a girl at the NightCat salon, and found out that their prices have risen from 1200 rubles two weeks ago to 1650 rubles.

Granted, the interior has been remodeled, that's quite a jump.

Explorer8939
12-04-02, 06:13
I have been to NightCat 3 times. The base price gets you 1 hour with a girl. If you take a girl out of the salon, its also $50, but you have to come up with a place to take her. I guess the limiting factor for the salon is lack of rooms, not lack of girls.

As for English, I have yet to find a salon where English is spoken by the dispatcher. In this last case, the girl did speak some English, but nothing from the dispatcher.

BTW, the girl was quite good, but the price increase was incredible; in April, an hour cost 1000 rubles, 2 weeks ago it was 1200, now its 1650!




Originally posted by Seydlitz
Explorer8939,

Still, by Western European standards, it is more than affordable. It is all relative after all. Especially if the girl gave you a good time. How much did your 1650 rubles buy you, by the way ?

Since it seems that you are a regular customer of that salon, I assume that you would recommend it. Any particular thing one should consider before trying that one out for myself if and when I visit Moscow ? Do they speak English, for example ?

Mohctep
12-07-02, 02:08
Ok! I’ve had enough of this nonsense Mr. Kalifornia!!!
I am personally going to inspect and certify weather Oksana is in fact the bomb you say she is or not!
Please forward all necessary visual info to Lorilol@yahoo.com.
As soon as I study all materials submitted by you I will give my final and thorough conclusion and lay this subject to rest.
In case Okasna would not qualify as a BOMB. You will be forever shamed and banned to use that (Bomb)epithet forever.

Sincerely yours.
Dr. Mohctep ( PhD in Russian-pussies studies)

Dinghy
12-07-02, 03:55
mohcter - certify Oksana a "bomb" ..."Lay the subject to rest?" <grinning from ear to ear...> Nice pun.

Tits_Lover
12-17-02, 13:04
Any news on nice young girl willing to travel a bit for 1-2 days ?
Thank you
Cheers

Explorer8939
12-20-02, 20:48
Hmmm... I was walking out of the McDonalds on Tverskaya a few minutes ago, and was solicited by a nice young girl, she looked kind of like Christina Applegate. It was (is) Friday night, I was figuring she wanted a little cash for the weekend. Anyway, it was a bit far from my hotel, so I declined. Maybe that wasn't such a good move.

CoolGuy
12-21-02, 22:10
How does Russian people in general and sex service in particular, especially in Moscow, treat those who are not whites but have US dollars to spend. I am planning to visit Moscow in a couple of months and I would like to set myself up for realistic expectations. I love young Russian women!

Snail
12-22-02, 08:32
coolguy. it all depends. generally speaking russian women are quite racist. if u have millions of $s u can always find a 'nice willing' girl to spend some quality time no matter what your skin color is. if not your chance may decrease dramatically but i think u still can find a not good looking russian woman for fun. hope this wont ruin your hunting mood.

Cambodia Pro
12-22-02, 22:07
I'll be brutally honest
Russian Women are racist,

In order of who they like the least,

1) Africans (Don't use the metro, you can be attacked by men and no one will move an eyebrow. Don't walk alone at night- this applies to everyone black, white, purple, or whatever color you are)

2) Arabs

3) Chinese/Asians (Japanese are tolerated, but pay more)

On the other hand if you look like Densel Washington(the black actor) you might get a break.

Have fun, but you will be stopped by the police at every corner , and asked for your documents. Be polite, don't argue with them.
Show your visa documents, and you will be ok.

Boofer
12-25-02, 12:54
Bush

I have to disagree. I'm half Greek, half Egyptian, Canadian born business man. I've walked in downtown Moscow and in the Metro at night alone all the time. I have never encountered a problem (that's four months in Moscow).

I'm quite dark and I found that it intrigues Russian babes, rather than give way to racism. I've had many GFE experiances in Moscow, where the girls clung to me the next day and it was difficult to get rid of them.

I think, what really matters is how one carries themselves in Russia. If you look like a slob, you will get shit, but if one is sophisticated looking, one will have no problem.
Furthermore, on safety, body language is very important. Walk straight up. Unlike Europe, in Russia, one is either above or under the confronting persons social status. One is never equal, so one has to be firm in enforcing one's position to gurantee safety and respect.

Mohctep
12-28-02, 16:46
Here is what I think the situation is:
Russians are not as much racist as they are nationalists.
If you are black you might have problems if you hang where lowlifes hang (worst clubs,subway,McDdonalds etc.)Otherwise blacks are tolerated well. I found that Russian women intrigued by black men and would sleep with you out of curiosity.
In todays Moscow no self respecting person uses Metro. Or eats at McDonalds.If u cannot afford Taxi you are bum. The only exclusions would be students.
If you are arab they would prolly think you are from Chechen region and therefore would be rude to you. Or you might get into physical confrontation with them.
If you are jewish you would definately be harassed. They hate jews.
So for that Greek-Arab gentlemen.,If confronted tell them you are Greek and they would love you. All Russian culture and religion and alphabet are from Greece so they feel a lot of affinity towards Greeks.

Boofer
12-29-02, 15:03
mohctep

I never had a bad time whether in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Russia is still the greatest place for GFE's. Thanks for the good input though.

Cheers and happy punting into the next year.

MeatMan
12-29-02, 18:08
Yikes!

After reading endorsment I had my eyes set on coming here in the near future. I would think that if youre black in Moscow(hehe.. a blackman in Moscow!) you would stick out like a sore thumb.

the only way is to fing out yourself or befriend a fellow Russian. I don't think its THAT bad in Russia................or is it?. Comments guys on this? Oh and if you guys want to know...Im black.