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[Wicked Roger]

Dad ran away with a lady about 8 weeks ago. Hence the fact the family may be relying on gifts even more than ever.

But sure, Dad beeping his horn to pick up his well stuffed daughter would have been an interesting sight. LOL

And you are now a 'father figure' :eek:.......I just can imagine what sort of 'fatherly' things you will guide and teach her about.....:D Hopefully it includes threesomes and moresomes with your very shy and god fearing friends.;)

[FreebieFan]

And you are now a 'father figure' :eek:.......I just can imagine what sort of 'fatherly' things you will guide and teach her about.....:D Hopefully it includes threesomes and moresomes with your very shy and god fearing friends.;)she's already given up the Holy Passage. So the next one is inviting her college friends.. And yes, we are working on getting some of her friends over, getting some vodka down them and getting some play time. LOL

[Questor55]

These statements appear regularly on dating profiles, as we all know. In all my travels throughout this country, I have NEVER seen any of 'our girls' engaged in these activities. I'm beginning to think that these words are actually CODE WORDS for other less conservative activities. As in, "I will love to volleyball you, Honey. Then we can badminton with my best girlfriend. ".

[Tally Wacker]

I actually saw some makeshift badminton courts in a parking lot in Manila when driving by in a taxi. I did not see any young hotties on the court.


These statements appear regularly on dating profiles, as we all know. In all my travels throughout this country, I have NEVER seen any of 'our girls' engaged in these activities. I'm beginning to think that these words are actually CODE WORDS for other less conservative activities. As in, "I will love to volleyball you, Honey. Then we can badminton with my best girlfriend. ".

[Wicked Roger]

she's already given up the Holy Passage. So the next one is inviting her college friends.. And yes, we are working on getting some of her friends over, getting some vodka down them and getting some play time. LOL

Disgraceful behaviour FF and one I thoroughly approve of :D But remember the Kinky Twin need to be around for more 'advanced' education :p...well they are college girls and I do have a degree...

[Radical Guy]

"Man who will love me for who and what I am"

Does anyone have an insight into this particular piece of romance pocketbook wisdom? I read it in every single dating profile.. is it a nice way of saying "I am not gonna change my bad habits like smoking and awful singing for your sake"?

For a lot of ladies, it simply means they have lost their virginity.

[Redd55]

And you are now a 'father figure' :eek:.......I just can imagine what sort of 'fatherly' things you will guide and teach her about.....:D Hopefully it includes threesomes and moresomes with your very shy and god fearing friends.;)What an awesome response. I am going to be laughing all day.

[FurryFriend]

It shows more evidence that what you read in profiles is not always "The Truth"


Oh really? You mean people actually lie on their online dating advert?

[Amavida]

For a lot of ladies, it simply means they have lost their virginity.It's just a space filler. They ahve little written english & utterly empty lives.

AV

[Fast Buck Artist]

These statements appear regularly on dating profiles, as we all know. In all my travels throughout this country, I have NEVER seen any of 'our girls' engaged in these activities. ".I've played badminton here in a university gym and volleyball at a beach resort. The girls play badminton and volleyball in high school PhysEd class.. basketball for boys.

The only "sport" they regularly engage in outside of school PE class is Karaoke.

[FreebieFan]

Disgraceful behaviour FF and one I thoroughly approve of :D But remember the Kinky Twin need to be around for more 'advanced' education :p...well they are college girls and I do have a degree...I expect to have a Manila trip next weekend in case you are around. Actually I should say in case you are in town, saying "around" might make you think I'm referring to your outstanding physique LOL.

[FreebieFan]

Oh really? You mean people actually lie on their online dating advert?Damn right. I tell them I'm a gentleman. Nothing could be further from the truth. LOL.

Imagine an ad where the guy is honest and says ":

Hi Girls, I'm a horny bastard and want to visit your country, and fuck as many of you as I can in as short as time as posible. I maybe want to fill all your holes and take pics of you in very strange poses. I wil probably insert whatever I can find into you, and dress you in tackly lingerie/bikinis.

I might pay you for this priviledge but maybe not. I will choose a bonking time when you probably don't need to eat because I don't want to spend money on you.

When we are finished bonking I don't want to hear you talking as I will be thinking about who else I'm going to bonk.

I may give my other horny bastard friends your phone number too.

Please contact me.

Ok now THAT would be an honest ad!. Wonder if he would get any hits.

[Member #4491]

Hahahaha! :-D @ FF

[Wicked Roger]

Damn right. I tell them I'm a gentleman. Nothing could be further from the truth. LOL.

Imagine an ad where the guy is honest and says ":

Hi Girls, I'm a horny bastard and want to visit your country, and fuck as many of you as I can in as short as time as posible. I maybe want to fill all your holes and take pics of you in very strange poses. I wil probably insert whatever I can find into you, and dress you in tackly lingerie/bikinis.

I might pay you for this priviledge but maybe not. I will choose a bonking time when you probably don't need to eat because I don't want to spend money on you.

When we are finished bonking I don't want to hear you talking as I will be thinking about who else I'm going to bonk.

I may give my other horny bastard friends your phone number too.

Please contact me.

Ok now THAT would be an honest ad!. Wonder if he would get any hits.

Am sure you would get a few (but would they be the qulaity you would like) but that would spoil the fun of the hunt

As for 'round" ........well am big in all places - so say the girls :D

Am not around Manila next weekend :( but am later - will email you and lets see if we can enjoy the temples of love we so much admire in Manila :p

[Charlie Horse]

Damn right. I tell them I'm a gentleman. Nothing could be further from the truth. LOL.

Imagine an ad where the guy is honest and says ":

Hi Girls, I'm a horny bastard and want to visit your country, and fuck as many of you as I can in as short as time as posible. I maybe want to fill all your holes and take pics of you in very strange poses. I wil probably insert whatever I can find into you, and dress you in tackly lingerie/bikinis.

I might pay you for this priviledge but maybe not. I will choose a bonking time when you probably don't need to eat because I don't want to spend money on you.

When we are finished bonking I don't want to hear you talking as I will be thinking about who else I'm going to bonk.

I may give my other horny bastard friends your phone number too.

Please contact me.

Ok now THAT would be an honest ad!. Wonder if he would get any hits.
LOL, Post of the year!

[Gangles]

Actually, there are some real stunners on the badminton courts.

I like to play, and put in a fair amount of time at in when I was working in Manila.

I used to take a gorgeous woman who was an announcer on one of the popular TV programs, another who was a fashion/lingerie model.

Wow.

And when there was a tournament, the place would be full of lithe, lissome women - I was always blown away.

So, maybe the local badminton courts are a good place for trolling.

G

[Cunning Stunt]

So, maybe the local badminton courts are a good place for trolling.

I thought the same would be the case for my local 'Fitness First' gym, but, sad to say, its full of fatties and posers.

Nary a stunner in sight.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Actually, there are some real stunners on the badminton courts.


Yup! Also check out hip hop dancing class .. mostly girls and fags, you are usually the only straight guy in the group :)

[Mafia360]

me (10/19/2010 7:01:56 PM): you are not really 65 kgs are you?
me (10/19/2010 7:02:07 PM): if you are only 5ft 2 ins
her (10/19/2010 7:02:13 PM): what u think
her (10/19/2010 7:02:22 PM): tell me
me (10/19/2010 7:02:24 PM): are you chubby? Taba?
her (10/19/2010 7:02:29 PM): not really
me (10/19/2010 7:02:30 PM): you dont look it – I see the foto
her (10/19/2010 7:02:35 PM): oki
me (10/19/2010 7:02:50 PM): 65 kgs means you are quite big if you are only 5ft 2 ins
her (10/19/2010 7:03:02 PM): im not?big
me (10/19/2010 7:03:07 PM): I can see that
me (10/19/2010 7:03:16 PM): so why you put 65 kgs?
her (10/19/2010 7:03:16 PM): yes
her (10/19/2010 7:03:21 PM): i didnt
me (10/19/2010 7:03:29 PM): in your profile it says that
her (10/19/2010 7:03:36 PM): thats not my profile
me (10/19/2010 7:03:39 PM): it says 5ft 2 ins and 65 kgs
her (10/19/2010 7:03:46 PM): i use that coz my porfile is close
her (10/19/2010 7:03:57 PM): so i use profile of my friend
me (10/19/2010 7:04:02 PM): whaaat? so the foto
me (10/19/2010 7:04:11 PM): is that you or ur fren?
her (10/19/2010 7:04:18 PM): yeah its me
her (10/19/2010 7:04:20 PM): i know
me(10/19/2010 7:04:51 PM): now you know why i asked if your profile was yours. crazy
her (10/19/2010 7:05:00 PM): i know dont worry ia snwer u the truth

OMG! wow her english wreaks. Okay I'm a filipino (uh ... filipina) but I don't speak or type like that. She makes me wonder if almost every girl who apply as a chamber maid uses dating websites to hook-up with foreigners and suck all their cash out for their electric bills. Crap I'm mean.

[Tally Wacker]

Hey welcome to the board!

Im sorry I did not understand a thing that you were trying to say. Your english wreaks and you type worse than my chamber maid who is sucking me dry.

Ok just had to say that.


OMG! wow her english wreaks. Okay I'm a filipino (uh ... filipina) but I don't speak or type like that. She makes me wonder if almost every girl who apply as a chamber maid uses dating websites to hook-up with foreigners and suck all their cash out for their electric bills. Crap I'm mean.

[Tenchi]

OMG! wow her english wreaks. Okay I'm a filipino (uh ... filipina) but I don't speak or type like that. She makes me wonder if almost every girl who apply as a chamber maid uses dating websites to hook-up with foreigners and suck all their cash out for their electric bills. Crap I'm mean.

you're a filipino if you're a guy, filipina is a girl...:p

[Mafia360]

you're a Filipino if you're a guy, filipina is a girl.LOL. Technical terms. My passport says I'm a Filipino LOL. So I'm using Filipino not Filipino.. Anyways thanks.

BTW. I love reading your posts cause I am that perverted

[Red Kilt]

OMG! wow her english wreaks. Okay I'm a filipino (uh ... filipina) but I don't speak or type like that. She makes me wonder if almost every girl who apply as a chamber maid uses dating websites to hook-up with foreigners and suck all their cash out for their electric bills. Crap I'm mean.

You actually missed the point.
We have been noting here how profiles usually do not represent (a) what a girl really wants because she has randomly copied it from another profile (b) the height and weight of a girl because many girls don't know so they make it up (c) deliberately misleading profiles (usually from baklas).
The transcript I provided was NOT meant to show anything about grammar, english skills or spelling - it was illustrating how this girl just took over her friend's profile, didn't change anything except the photo, nd then passed it off as though she was "telling the truth".

Mafia - It is always very risky to criticize other people's grammar and spelling unless your own is impeccable. Look up "impeccable" in your dictionary.

[FreebieFan]

You actually missed the point.

We have been noting here how profiles usually do not represent (a) what a girl really wants because she has randomly copied it from another profile (b) the height and weight of a girl because many girls don't know so they make it up (c) deliberately misleading profiles (usually from baklas).

The transcript I provided was NOT meant to show anything about grammar, english skills or spelling - it was illustrating how this girl just took over her friend's profile, didn't change anything except the photo, nd then passed it off as though she was "telling the truth".

Mafia - It is always very risky to criticize other people's grammar and spelling unless your own is impeccable. Look up "impeccable" in your dictionary.Unlss we talkng in txt langwaj den impekble is ok....smlz

[Questor55]

Guys in Manila might want to check out this dancer who contacted me last night. Great line in her profile, (original?), "The guy may wear the pants, but I control the zipper. " She's in DIA. Kessie23.

[Fast Buck Artist]

"Can I bring my friend" and how to deal with it..

I would like some experience sharing on the annoying issue of chaperones where the girl insists on dragging along her friend/gay cousin/mum to her first date with you...

In my experience such proposal means several things none of them good:

- The girl is not comfortable with you
- She's too shy to talk and needs to drag along somebody who can actually talk
- She is an overgrown baby in need of a nanny and cant get mums permission to go out alone (at a tender 26 years of age!)
- The friend(s) will be doing all the talking with you in english while the girl just chats with them in tagalog/visayan ignoring you
- You are expected to pay for the entertainment and dining of the entire happy group

Not exactly what we have in mind for a fine evening right?

Here is what I usually do when I get the dreaded "Can I bring my fren" sms..
1. Swear and curse with f words
2. txt her back saying "You are welcome to bring your friends dear if they pay their bills"
3. "friends" immediately lose interest in meeting you at first mention of paying bills
4. At this point the girl either begrudgingly accepts to meet you alone or (more often) refuses

Share some wisdom, oh Wise Old Patriarchs?

[Wicked Roger]

"Can I bring my friend" and how to deal with it..

I would like some experience sharing on the annoying issue of chaperones where the girl insists on dragging along her friend/gay cousin/mum to her first date with you...

In my experience such proposal means several things none of them good:

- The girl is not comfortable with you
- She's too shy to talk and needs to drag along somebody who can actually talk
- She is an overgrown baby in need of a nanny and cant get mums permission to go out alone (at a tender 26 years of age!)
- The friend(s) will be doing all the talking with you in english while the girl just chats with them in tagalog/visayan ignoring you
- You are expected to pay for the entertainment and dining of the entire happy group

Not exactly what we have in mind for a fine evening right?

Here is what I usually do when I get the dreaded "Can I bring my fren" sms..
1. Swear and curse with f words
2. txt her back saying "You are welcome to bring your friends dear if they pay their bills"
3. "friends" immediately lose interest in meeting you at first mention of paying bills
4. At this point the girl either begrudgingly accepts to meet you alone or (more often) refuses

Share some wisdom, oh Wise Old Patriarchs?

This is very common and you need to expect it as long as they dopnt bring the whole family as one girls did...Jollibee meal plan then either they all go or you do (with or without girl..make a fast decision)

Sometimes the friend is very cute and I ask is friend cute (like you) her age etc and you can get lucky and she will stay and have fun...but she can also turn out to be a LB...so ask, be direct. IMHO if her friend is a LB she will have him/her far more as a comfort blanket (than a normal girlfriend) so friend can see you, make sure you 'respectable' (many definitions of that in my case :D) and then let you have the wicked way

Some bring their mothers and after the first meeting mom will give permission to the girl to shag your brains out - this has happened before to me and others I know...but also I have a bust and nothing happended despite asking (in my early years I was far too naive..)

So many ways to interpret that phrase but never be shy to ask about the friend and details and say, once friend has met me and we have eaten we can be alone and go my hotel..yes or no? Ask, as if she says no then there are plenty fish in the sea

Depends on your time also, do you have time for a second meeting, are you full of MSB (massive sperm build up) and cant wait and need a release...

My thoughts at least

[Radoboy]

There are wiser guys than I here. Many will insist that you demand they come alone or forget it.

I think they are wrong.

If you play the game right you will get a lot more mileage and there are many examples in here of chaperones who were easy to get rid of. Heck, I had one wait in the lobby while I did the deed.

On another occasion I had all 3 give me a hand / BJ and offer me 6 tits, before two left, leaving me one overnight. And I am No superman or stud.

There are other cases here where a whole tribe has turned up bringing a tribe for a feed.

My suggestion? Actively welcome the "cousin" – mostly they know the deal and are just there to keep the parents /family from denying permission. (needed no matter what age you are). Instead of saying "no" or even "ok" say "sure! That would be fun! " or even "that's ok – even bring an armed guard if you like"

Also you need to go with the flow. The local dating scenario is a bunch of friends all going out together. The houses usually have 10 residents or more. So its weird for them to go out alone, even shameful and certainly uncomfortable. Make that very uncomfortable.

You have invested a lot to get here. I suggest you invest a little more – the food is cheap.

Happy Hunting!

[Tenchi]

"Can I bring my friend" and how to deal with it..



Its also for their safety too... never had one bring a mum or LB or lol a group, gosh I think in the latter case I would walk with my wallet in tact.

For the regular friend scenario I just go with the flow, I don't spend too much or much time either. I assume it's her just making sure I'm not a weirdo lol... the next meet she'll come alone. If you've got some Brad Pitt genes, try bad 'em both lol

I wouldnt tell anyone they're paying their own bills, that'd be awkward I think :/

[GregLondon]

"Can I bring my friend" and how to deal with it..

I would like some experience sharing on the annoying issue of chaperones where the girl insists on dragging along her friend/gay cousin/mum to her first date with you...

In my experience such proposal means several things none of them good:

- The girl is not comfortable with you
- She's too shy to talk and needs to drag along somebody who can actually talk
- She is an overgrown baby in need of a nanny and cant get mums permission to go out alone (at a tender 26 years of age!)
- The friend(s) will be doing all the talking with you in english while the girl just chats with them in tagalog/visayan ignoring you
- You are expected to pay for the entertainment and dining of the entire happy group

Not exactly what we have in mind for a fine evening right?

Here is what I usually do when I get the dreaded "Can I bring my fren" sms..
1. Swear and curse with f words
2. txt her back saying "You are welcome to bring your friends dear if they pay their bills"
3. "friends" immediately lose interest in meeting you at first mention of paying bills
4. At this point the girl either begrudgingly accepts to meet you alone or (more often) refuses

Share some wisdom, oh Wise Old Patriarchs?

Like so man things in the Phils it all depends on a number of factors, but generally you are right it's not good news.

I agree with WR its important to find out exactly who their freind is and what their purpose of being there is.

Often it will be a Lady Boy often described as a cousin which may or not be true. If it's a LB the most common case is that the LB wants to insert himself in some sort of middleman role. Many LBs have female friends and it is common if you find that your chatmate is an LB and you make it clear you are not interested, for him to say , but I can give you a nice girl. The purpose in this case will generally to make a few bucks as an intermediary in terms of taxi or lunch or fuck off money. he will often take the lead in conversation and be interested to push up the price that you may pay, but on a more positive note, he will also usually be keen for you to fuck his friend as long as he gets what he sees as a reasonable cut. Things can sometimes turn nasty in terms of blackmail situations with young girls or I'm not leaving your room until you give me some m omney etc so I try to avoid this scenario if possible. However like everything there are exceptions and a friend has been with a wonderful girl for 3 years now that he was originally introduced to via a scamming LB. The girls who have LB friends will often be young and naughty.

If the chaperone is an older female relative, its most likely to be a proper chaperone role, sometimes they just want to see you are an OK guy and that you have met her (remember plenty of guys make dates then just dont show up leaving the girl in the lurch). If you pass the sniff test either she can be told to take the jeep back perhaps after a jollybees or you can meet the girl alone on a second meeting.

The third scenario is a simialr age female freidn and i usually ask how old she is, her weight, figure and whateher she is open minded about sex, so sometimes this can result in a threesome but often it is the most likely scanario to result in nothing.

[GregLondon]

For a lot of ladies, it simply means they have lost their virginity.

my understanding is that this phrase was originally popularised on a game show such as WowWowWee,

By and large it means that there is something about her which she sees as meaning that she is not the ideal partner.

This can be:

She is a lady boy

She is a poor girl

She is an unmarried or divorcee mum

She is not educated

She is not so cute at least in Phil eyes (could mean short, dark skinned, too skinny too fat)

She is from a "simple", unsophisticated background

The 5ft 5in, college educated, fair skinned girl with perfect body and no baby from a wealthy family would probably never say this, but as such girls are in a 1% minority that leaves plenty who might.

[Questor55]

I had been corresponding with two girls from Talisay on DIA. One was 19 and the other 21. After I reached Cebu, I put Plan A and Plan B into action,hoping to score with at least one of them. After several messages back and forth, 'The penny dropped.' I got the feeling that they were sisters.

I asked the 21 yr old if she was related to the other. In her reply, she confirmed that this was so. "Do you want me to come to your hotel ?"
she asked.

"Just you, or with your sister?"

"With my sister, but if you want to fuck, then fuck me, coz my sister is still a virgin." she replied.

So, they did, and I did.

On my next visit, I hope to score with the younger one, or both. LOL

[Fast Buck Artist]

The third scenario is a simialr age female freidn and i usually ask how old she is, her weight, figure and whateher she is open minded about sex, so sometimes this can result in a threesome but often it is the most likely scanario to result in nothing.

Great comments guys.. lots of good comments.

Greg, I also found that a female chaperone of the same age usually leads to "nothing".. She'll bring the uglier, fatter and much more talkative college friend with the idea that "oh if he dont like me.. maybe Grace will.." causing an awkward date triangle that usually does NOT lead to a hot threesome. The girl doesnt want to look like a $lut in front of her friend and will decline the invitation to go to the hotel, with rare exceptions. I'd rather have her bring mommy lol... at least its clear who is on a date and who is in chaperone role.

And very interesting prospective on ladyboys in a pimp role.. up to now my interaction with ladyboys was limited to "fuck off faggot" but I now realise I should stop being a hater and explore their social network for opportunities :)

[Cheapy]

Don't ever turn down the sister visit. If your GF is having her period, she may offer up the sister to keep you happy. Don't be shy to even ask. You will be

Surprised.

Recently my GF and I went to LA Cafe (Manila Bay whatever) and we picked up a 3rd. Because my GF was having her period. We did photos and vids of the nite. Will post later.

My Aussie friend is currently doing sisters, because one is having her period.

Ah. Good family relations is a wonderful thing. He moved to a bigger room with a king size bed.

Cheapy


I had been corresponding with two girls from Talisay on DIA. One was 19 and the other 21. After I reached Cebu, I put Plan A and Plan B into action,hoping to score with at least one of them. After several messages back and forth, 'The penny dropped.' I got the feeling that they were sisters.

I asked the 21 yr old if she was related to the other. In her reply, she confirmed that this was so. "Do you want me to come to your hotel ?"
she asked.

"Just you, or with your sister?"

"With my sister, but if you want to fuck, then fuck me, coz my sister is still a virgin." she replied.

So, they did, and I did.

On my next visit, I hope to score with the younger one, or both. LOL

[GregLondon]

Great comments guys.. lots of good comments.

Greg, I also found that a female chaperone of the same age usually leads to "nothing".. She'll bring the uglier, fatter and much more talkative college friend with the idea that "oh if he dont like me.. maybe Grace will.." causing an awkward date triangle that usually does NOT lead to a hot threesome. The girl doesnt want to look like a $lut in front of her friend and will decline the invitation to go to the hotel, with rare exceptions. I'd rather have her bring mommy lol... at least its clear who is on a date and who is in chaperone role.

And very interesting prospective on ladyboys in a pimp role.. up to now my interaction with ladyboys was limited to "fuck off faggot" but I now realise I should stop being a hater and explore their social network for opportunities :)

I agree, as a rule the "friend" tends to be less attractive in some way, which of course makes complete sense from the girl's perspective. Bringing along a hotter girl obviously risks being marginalised if you turn out to be a good prospect. Sometimes the intention all along is to have a threesome and the second one is tagging along trying to pick up business on the coattails of her more attractive friend. In other cases the intention all along is to check you out and score a Jollybees, so why not score two Jollybees? In less touristed areas it maybe that meeting a foreigner is itself a novelty and her they are just sharing the experience.

Personally I am wary of the girls introduced by LBs. They will typically be young and "open minded", however the LB will generally try to control the situation to maximise his own profit. Often such girls do not speak great English (and thus be more dependent on a mediator). sometimes she will not really be his "friend" at all simply someone he has picked up from one of the local oriented hooker areas. Of course there are always exceptions and you must judge each situation as best you can.

[Fast Buck Artist]

"I am not here for games"

This is gotta be THE most common line I read on profiles. Not talking about poker and sudoku I guess :) from what I gathered this is translated as "looking for a husband"

For those of you who just look for a quick shag (thats most of us here) .. do you bother chatting with "not for games" girls.. or move on to easier pickings?

[Screaming Beaver]

"I am not here for games"

This is gotta be THE most common line I read on profiles. Not talking about poker and sudoku I guess :) from what I gathered this is translated as "looking for a husband"

For those of you who just look for a quick shag (thats most of us here) .. do you bother chatting with "not for games" girls.. or move on to easier pickings?I've found that the "not for games" girls are just as easy to bang as the rest. I'm sure they prefer the "not for games" boys but in the end it's "up to you".

[FreebieFan]

"I am not here for games"

This is gotta be THE most common line I read on profiles. Not talking about poker and sudoku I guess :) from what I gathered this is translated as "looking for a husband"

For those of you who just look for a quick shag (thats most of us here) .. do you bother chatting with "not for games" girls.. or move on to easier pickings?Ignore the phrase and continue as if she hadnt written it. In her " perfect world" she would find a sweet soulmate walk on the beach sap, but in her relaity she knows her chance of love is slim, so she will settle for a bonk in a Sogo, as a sign thats shes loved.

[Red Kilt]

"I am not here for games"

This is gotta be THE most common line I read on profiles. Not talking about poker and sudoku I guess :) from what I gathered this is translated as "looking for a husband"

For those of you who just look for a quick shag (thats most of us here) .. do you bother chatting with "not for games" girls.. or move on to easier pickings?

I have had 2 girls with this line in their profiles turn out to be exceptionally hot and horny.
One of them was using a friend's profile but didnt bother to change it for herself. My profile was very explicit so when she sent me a message I questioned why she had written to me as our profiles didnt match.
She then told me the story, and that she was actually horny and keen to meet.
The other one put that line in because she had read it on other profiles but didnt know what it meant.
Go figure.

Bottom line: Disregard what they say in their profiles. Many (most?) girls have got no idea what they are saying anyway

[Python75]

"I am not here for games"

This is gotta be THE most common line I read on profiles. Not talking about poker and sudoku I guess :) from what I gathered this is translated as "looking for a husband"

For those of you who just look for a quick shag (thats most of us here) .. do you bother chatting with "not for games" girls.. or move on to easier pickings?For sure if the lady is hot.

Incidently, I have been contacted by girls who state on their profile that they are engaged/have met someone/not looking for anyone blah blah. The fact that the girl has a foreign boyfriend overseas does not detract them from shagging others - as senior members of this board have indicated.

[Member #4491]

Red Kilt,

I could not agree more. They all have it and they all spread their legs on the second date (where the first is a quick HI when stopping by the mall for five minutes).

[WestCoast1]

I have had 2 girls with this line in their profiles turn out to be exceptionally hot and horny.

Bottom line: Disregard what they say in their profiles. Many (most?) girls have got no idea what they are saying anyway
Some will mean it ("not here for games"). Others will not. Some will not even know what it means. I've had any number of CB girls who had that in her profile, yet she contacted my 'bad boy' profile ("I'm just in town looking for fun for a few days; contact me if you want the same") looking for a hookup. The same girls that wrote "not here for games" will also say later, in chat, after agreeing to sleep with me, "Maybe you can help me my problem?"

Ignore the profile. Its just a way to get her YM address.

[GregLondon]

"I am not here for games"

This is gotta be THE most common line I read on profiles. Not talking about poker and sudoku I guess :) from what I gathered this is translated as "looking for a husband"

For those of you who just look for a quick shag (thats most of us here) .. do you bother chatting with "not for games" girls.. or move on to easier pickings?

Some will mean looking fro a serios relationship
others will simply mean not being lied to and in particualr trying to avoid guys who say they are looking for a long term relationship/marriage but just using this as a way to get a quick and possibly free shag.

For others it's just another one of thosse phrases that others put in their profile so why shouldnt i

[Fast Buck Artist]

Some will mean looking fro a serios relationship
others will simply mean not being lied to and in particualr trying to avoid guys who say they are looking for a long term relationship/marriage but just using this as a way to get a quick and possibly free shag.

For others it's just another one of thosse phrases that others put in their profile so why shouldnt i

Isnt every single woman looking for a serious relationship? Doesnt really need to be clarified, the search for a long term mate is hardwired into every female brain. Even the most hard grinded prostitutes deep inside are hoping one of the customers will fall in love with her and start a serious relo.

Maybe Red Kilt is right and we should just ignore whatever is written in the profile.. half of them have no idea what they wrote anyway. What a pond of "quality" we are fishing in aye..

[Amavida]

Isnt every single woman looking for a serious relationship? Doesnt really need to be clarified, the search for a long term mate is hardwired into every female brain. Even the most hard grinded prostitutes deep inside are hoping one of the customers will fall in love with her and start a serious relo.

Maybe Red Kilt is right and we should just ignore whatever is written in the profile.. half of them have no idea what they wrote anyway. What a pond of "quality" we are fishing in aye..
Oh boy have you guys got some learning ahead.
They are not looking for a Husband, they are looking for a remittance.
They already have filipono boyfriends out their wazzoo.

[Amavida]

Some will mean it ("not here for games"). Others will not. Some will not even know what it means. I've had any number of CB girls who had that in her profile, yet she contacted my 'bad boy' profile ("I'm just in town looking for fun for a few days; contact me if you want the same") looking for a hookup. The same girls that wrote "not here for games" will also say later, in chat, after agreeing to sleep with me, "Maybe you can help me my problem?"

Ignore the profile. Its just a way to get her YM address.
Absolutely right.
Take notice of anything they say in the profile or in person.
You are an ATM machine.
Time & time again i have proven them to be totally mercenary.
Fall for the sweet innocent act & you are gone.
There's a lot of hustle out there these days.
Trust no one.

[Red Kilt]

Absolutely right.
Take notice of anything they say in the profile or in person.
You are an ATM machine.
Time & time again i have proven them to be totally mercenary.
Fall for the sweet innocent act & you are gone.
There's a lot of hustle out there these days.
Trust no one.

Good timing AV.

I have just received a DIA message and 2 texts - all 3 messages are asking (separately) for
- rent money
- money for water (it has been cut off already)
- help to pay for visa to UAE

They all eventually get to the need for remittance.
The girl who wants money for the visa has been with me 4 or 5 times. Fantastic performer.
Has never asked for a peso. Until now.... lol

[FreebieFan]

Well we all know that the range of lies ( by them not us lol) covers the white lies to the big whoppers, but for me the biggest one must be

QU. So how many foreigners have you met "

Answer " You are the first"

If I had one dollar/euro/pound/peso for every time Ive heard that I'd be happy.
If all these gals on DIA Tagged etcetc are chatting with all of you guys but ONLY meeting me, that makes me one very lucky lalaki.

[Fast Buck Artist]

You are an ATM machine.


Well I dated girls who havent asked me for a dime and wanted nothing but my time, love and attention.. and gave me presents for birthday/christmas and shared living expenses.

No ATM relationship there.

If you go for ladies who dont have a job/income yes, they will inevitably ask you for money.. I get the feeling you PREFER them because they are easier to put in bed, and thats fine.. but even the most greedy ***** needs to feel loved, its a fundamental instinct of every woman.

[Amavida]

Well I dated girls who havent asked me for a dime...
See Redkilts post.

[WestCoast1]

Some will mean it ("not here for games"). Others will not. Some will not even know what it means. I've had any number of CB girls who had that in her profile, yet she contacted my 'bad boy' profile ("I'm just in town looking for fun for a few days; contact me if you want the same") looking for a hookup. The same girls that wrote "not here for games" will also say later, in chat, after agreeing to sleep with me, "Maybe you can help me my problem?"

Speaking of that profile, I've found that turning it on just about 3 weeks prior to a philippine trip works wonders. The girls (mostly provincial from north mindanao and also cebu) come out of the woodwork. They are FINE with meeting up for a day or three and banging away. Most want 'help' of some kind. Almost all are willing to come from a long distance to meet with me (bus) as long as I'm on their island; some will even ferry. Half the girls on CB seem to be using the internet to get some cash as opposed to the bar. Same result.

[Wicked Roger]

Good timing AV.

- help to pay for visa to UAE

They all eventually get to the need for remittance.
The girl who wants money for the visa has been with me 4 or 5 times. Fantastic performer.
Has never asked for a peso. Until now.... lol

I can help RK, will give her some 'lessons' on UAE customs and norms purely from a 'fatherly' perspective. Am sure she finding adapting to new customs and habits exciting and intersting especially the Greek lessons

Peachy time soon my friend, check the emails

R

[Fast Buck Artist]

I have had 2 girls with this line in their profiles turn out to be exceptionally hot and horny.
Go figure.


I went to "figure" today and picked an exceptionally conservative profile to test your theory :)

The Profile was...

I want to meet a Male
with age from 31 to 61
and I want to meet for Friendship, Romance, Marriage or Other.

I realize that now the time is right for a loving partner, some one to have great conversations with, to laugh and have fun with, to share joy and sorrow together. Am not in for Short Players, am looking for men with the guts for long term commitments !

====

Target identified. Launch the explorer probe Houston :)

[conversation start]

FastBuckArtist wrote: 1 hr, 47 mins ago
Hills of Chocolate with a Cherry on top!!

Girl wrote: 1 hr, 45 mins ago
ha..ha..ha... you want the hills or the cherry?

FastBuckArtist wrote: 1 hr, 41 mins ago
I like my cherries ripe, succulent and mouth watering

Girl wrote: 1 hr, 39 mins ago
well you can taste or lick the cherry if u want ;)

FastBuckArtist wrote: 1 hr, 32 mins ago
I couldnt resist enjoying the ripe cherry.. so thrilled with anticipation I would fly over oceans to get it..

Girl wrote: 1 hr, 29 mins ago
Would you like my cherry then?

FastBuckArtist wrote: 1 hr, 22 mins ago
Oh what should I do dear.. how do I obtain such a fine fruit?

Girl wrote: 1 hr, 19 mins ago
Cum and get me ;) would love to be lick and suck dear ...
I hope you can visit someday and meet me :)

[conversation end]

Mmkay... so much for "not for games" aye...

[Rampana]

Well we all know that the range of lies ( by them not us lol) covers the white lies to the big whoppers, but for me the biggest one must be

QU. So how many foreigners have you met "

Answer " You are the first"

If I had one dollar/euro/pound/peso for every time Ive heard that I'd be happy.
If all these gals on DIA Tagged etcetc are chatting with all of you guys but ONLY meeting me, that makes me one very lucky lalaki.

you are ABSOLUTELY right, this is the biggest LIE I ever heard of them.
It is in my interview with them that I am asking for former bf and if they ever met any foreigner before or had sex with a white man.
I always hear that: "YOU ARE THE FIRST"

Since I don´t believe that grap anyway, I should stop by now asking this question.

THE OTHER BIG LIE IS: when you catch them online unintentionally they will make the excuse: I am doing my assignments for tomorrow; I am helping my sister with her assignments or (when caught with webcam on): "I am chatting with my cousin, sister etc. etc.
You guys also experiences this?

It is real fun for me to watch what will happen when I confront them : "OK my dear, when you are doing your assignments or reports; WHY then you need to be online in ym, online in DIA or even online in CB chat.

the answer will be

COMPLETE SILENCE

happend to me so often, you will not believe me.

[Fast Buck Artist]

you are ABSOLUTELY right, this is the biggest LIE I ever heard of them.

Yea some of these god fearing little angels tell lies that would make mr Freebie look honest in comparison.

The worst one I heard was "I am still a virgin" ... 5 days later I was diagnosed with a Chlamydia infection... thats the last time I went unwrapped with a "virgin"

Oh and I get a kick out of excuses they make when you ask them for their facebook account... which they dont want to give out cause they are "In a Relationship with [some foreign cash cow]" in the said facebook account :D

[Cuba Tourist]

Filipina women are oftenly mistaken as *****s, users, etc. But i would want to show to you that real filipinas are worthy to be loved and are worth dying for. I am not a woman with no dignity, who does sex in exchange of money, who uses foreigners just to go abroad and get rich. I hope I can prove to you that I am genuine. I would really want to have friends with different nationalities.. :)

http://www.dateinasia.com/UserProfile.aspx?uid=ffa92c68-b8c8-4d09-a487-e08787ae5855

[Red Kilt]

I went to "figure" today and picked an exceptionally conservative profile to test your theory :)

.......................

Fantastic FBA.
You tested my theory and had immediate success.
I remember reading that profile. Just goes to show ... you just cannot believe what they write.
Let us know about further experimentation lol

[FreebieFan]

Was with a half way cute lady(one of seven) during my rompathon last week and of course, took a few snaps of her.

On Monday she kept sending me YM messages asking if I could send her the photos that I took of her in the bikini I got her.

Sent them to her. And there today on Manila's most active is said lady in said bikini. Next time I'm putting a copywright on my pics. LOL.

[Amavida]

you are ABSOLUTELY right, this is the biggest LIE I ever heard of them.
It is in my interview with them that I am asking for former bf and if they ever met any foreigner before or had sex with a white man.
I always hear that: "YOU ARE THE FIRST"

Since I don´t believe that grap anyway, I should stop by now asking this question.

THE OTHER BIG LIE IS: when you catch them online unintentionally they will make the excuse: I am doing my assignments for tomorrow; I am helping my sister with her assignments or (when caught with webcam on): "I am chatting with my cousin, sister etc. etc.
You guys also experiences this?

It is real fun for me to watch what will happen when I confront them : "OK my dear, when you are doing your assignments or reports; WHY then you need to be online in ym, online in DIA or even online in CB chat.

the answer will be

COMPLETE SILENCE

happend to me so often, you will not believe me.

Oh i believe you mate!
This is absolutely par for the course.

Another indicator i tell newbies to look for is the cell phone.
Ever noticed how when you're with them their cell phone is NEVER OFF, txt'ing constantly 24/7 even when she should be sleeping. Seemingly infinite load & amazing battery life... And yet as soon as you leave town replies to your txt's take a very long time, voice calls go unanswered. "the number you have called is switched off"
You ask them & standard answer : Low batt, no load, sleeping.
Bullshit.

Ask them for the password to their email account, you're eyes will fall out.

Find their facebook/friendster/tagged accounts using google, you soon wise up about that shy 'good girl'.

[Cuba Tourist]

One very good girl (so I thought) wrote across a photo in friendster: "fuck me in the ass". I almost fell off my chair!

[George111]

One girl I met at Angeles told me she is late with her period. I told her to buy an early pregnancy test and found out she was positive. I taught it was mine because she say she always use condomns. Luckily she told me it wasn't mine and know who the person was. What a relief it was. I found out later it was her Filipino boyfriend from before. She could've got me good. Whew.

[Rampana]

Oh i believe you mate!

Ask them for the password to their email account, you're eyes will fall out.



I did twice last year, mate. And my eyes WERE falling out..... lol
NOT FUNNY for me in this moment because I still believed all that crap that time.

One girl was in the province; all she did was ARABS.....
The other girl was AC and pregnant.....

These girl are so S...t...u....p....i...d sometimes.
They gave me their passord for their friendster and I could open up all other accounts also, including DIA and ym....

This opened my eyes significantly...

I nearly fall off my chair at home, especially with the AC "non Bar Girl"
The sheer number of horny guys the AC met and also that kind of conversations she had there....

OMG, she didn´t know I know and of course she told me always: YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE

BULLSHIT

Nothing to believe anymore

From that moment on my device is....

F. and Forget

[Tally Wacker]

She was probably a camgirl and used that phto for her online work. Did you tell her "Ok, I'm gunna fuck your ass?"


One very good girl (so I thought) wrote across a photo in friendster: "fuck me in the ass". I almost fell off my chair!

[Cuba Tourist]

mattivy from cebu and I have been writing and she gives me her facebook. she marked "married" but it could be a typo but then I found her talking about being married and how happy it made her.

[Amavida]

I did twice last year, mate. And my eyes WERE falling out..... lol
NOT FUNNY for me in this moment because I still believed all that crap that time.Yeah, i still remember the moment from about 6 years ago when I did that for the first time. It hit's you like an electric shock because coming from the west we get totally suckered by these cute very young innocent looking girls.. Totally - mercenary - sluts.

And just to be clear I'm not putting down the P4P girls. Those little girls have crossed over the line for their own reasons, any man who fall's for a hooker in any country is a fool.
I'm talking about beautiful girls of 18- 19 girls from good families studying at university with everything to live for.


One girl was in the province; all she did was ARABS.....
The other girl was AC and pregnant.....And the really repulsive thing is these guy's they're doing are ugly cunts with *nothing* going for them. Just brings home how utterly mercenary these girls are. *Any* belief that they see something nice in you is totally lost forever at that point. Shit even bar girls are more selective about who they will fuck than these 'good girls' on the dating sites.


These girl are so S...t...u....p....i...d sometimes.
They gave me their passord for their friendster and I could open up all other accounts also, including DIA and ym.... This opened my eyes significantly...

I nearly fall off my chair at home, especially with the AC "non Bar Girl"
The sheer number of horny guys the AC met and also that kind of conversations she had there....

OMG, she didn´t know I know and of course she told me always: YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE

BULLSHIT
Nothing to believe anymore
From that moment on my device is....
F. and ForgetYep, Really sad but true... wish there was some way I could print this on an arrival card to be handed out in airports.. so many guy's get *totally* conned.

When I posted about this previously I was mocked as being bitter about past failures or something. Nothing could be further from the truth. I survived this mad place. Some of my best mates here did not. Several getting hurt financially or through drink, one even blew his brains out with a pistol. So sad I could'nt open their eyes in time & that they hurt themselves because these Pinays are *not* worth it.

Que the captain sav'a'hoes... <sigh>

AV

[GregLondon]

One girl I met at Angeles told me she is late with her period. I told her to buy an early pregnancy test and found out she was positive. I taught it was mine because she say she always use condomns. Luckily she told me it wasn't mine and know who the person was. What a relief it was. I found out later it was her Filipino boyfriend from before. She could've got me good. Whew.

This is one of the main reasons I always use condoms in Phils. Many Phil girls are quite keen to get pregnant with a Western guy in the hope that he will either marry her or maintain her and the baby. It would be very rare for Phil BFs to ever use condoms and I suspect 50% of mongers also go uncovered. IMHO this is a risky strategy.

[Cunning Stunt]

Yep, Really sad but true... wish there was some way I could print this on an arrival card to be handed out in airports.. so many guy's get *totally* conned.

Yeah, couldn’t agree more. Girls of any class or background, who are found on online dating sites should be treated with as much suspicion as those found in bars, malls or hookers picked up off the street. Forget the crap about love, soul partners and other such nonsense. Its your bank balance they are interested in. If you don’t believe me, next time you make contact with a likely looking honey, try telling her that your skint and could she lend you 1000 pesos when you next meet and see how long she sticks around. Although she will not actually believe you as Filipinas all assume foreigners are as rich as Croesus.

It was mentioned not too long ago, but anyone contemplating a trip to Thailand or Philippines (or any other Far Eastern destination) should pick up a copy of Private Dancer by Stephen Leather. It is set in Thailand but is just as valid here. Read it and weep and if you are coming out this way on the hunt for anything more than a few short term adventures, it might help stop you making the biggest mistake of your life. Reread it recently and although it was written about 15 years ago, it is not dated and its truths apply just as much now (or even more so) as then. And it is a damned good read. He must have been a prolific monger:).

Because Leather couldn’t persuade his publishers to print it for a long time, he made it freely available online without copyright restriction. So if you want to read it try a google search or failing that, PM me your email address and I’ll send you an acrobat copy.

[GregLondon]

The last couple of pages seem to be dominated by comments from those, notably Amavida who seem to be dripping with contempt for Filipinas in general and those on the dating sites in particular.

It's certainly the case that newbies need to be given a reality check: that many of those who portray themselves as good girls are far more "open minded" than suggested, that the overwhelming majority will be financially motivated in terms of the possibility of long term support or short term payments.

However, if one develops an attitude of contempt towards these girls IMHO one may protect oneself from scams and overcharging but you also lose something in terms of never really having any sort of relationship with these girls beyond immediate sexual gratification.

Regards the honesty of the girls one needs to remember that.

1 The dating sites themselves encourage dishonesty. Any girl that explicitly mentions payments or financial rewards etc will soon get her profile taken down and her computer blacklisted.

2 The vast majority of guys on these sites are liars and hypocrites. The number one male lie is probably the promise that he will be coming to the Phils soon and in particular to her town and that he wants to meet her. The vast majority of guys will tell this to far morer girls than they could ever possibly meet even if they do actually come to The Phils. The majority of guys (esp on DIA) of course will never actually buy the ticket to come to the Phils at all and are really just trying to kill time or have erotic conversations with cute young girls.

Nevertheless many guys are insanely jealous. They want to be the only guy that the girl is contacting, the first white guy that she will meet, they will ask for her passwords to her accounts, and if things go further call her up randomly to check up on her.

It seems to me that this may be justified if a guy has agreed to support a girl and enter into an exclusive type of arrangement, but many guys demand this type of fidelity on no more than the promise that they plan to meet her in 4 months time. Given that a girl should probably never attribute more than a 10% chance of the guy actually coming to see her, certainly until such point that he has a confirmed booked flight, a girl would have to be pretty stupid to actually pin all her hopes on this particular guy turning up. However because at least 505 of the guys seem to want this type of "loyalty" they are effectively forced to telling a load of lies.

My own style is not to get too concerned about these girls going out with other guys (sometimes not that easy with particular favourites), never to send money to girls when I'm not there, but to reward them fairly for time spent with me and services rendered. I always make it clear that I will see a bunch of other girls, and enjoy threesomes etc. My experience is that if one does this, the girls are generally pretty upfront and honest about who else they are scheduled to see and when etc.

Anyhow it works well enough for me.

[Red Kilt]

............

It was mentioned not too long ago, but anyone contemplating a trip to Thailand or Philippines (or any other Far Eastern destination) should pick up a copy of Private Dancer by Stephen Leather. It is set in Thailand but is just as valid here. Read it and weep and if you are coming out this way on the hunt for anything more than a few short term adventures, it might help stop you making the biggest mistake of your life. Reread it recently and although it was written about 15 years ago, it is not dated and its truths apply just as much now (or even more so) as then. And it is a damned good read. He must have been a prolific monger:)...............

I was the one who mentioned Stephen Leather's book here Stunning, and although set in Thailand (Bkk) I agree with you that it has some important messages for mongers in Phils as well.

It is freely available in most bookshops here - I just saw a copy in National Books in SM Megamall.

I also mentioned in the same post a book called "Ermita", by F. Sionil Jose (a Phils National Artist for Literature - 87 yo and still going).
It is published in Manila and also freely available (and cheap too!)
It is a very definitive account of a filipina's life.
Jose has collected key traits (good and bad) from every filipina you you are EVER likely to meet and put them into his complex main character. Some guys might recognize themselves in some of the other characters.
I actually got more insights out of it than I did from "Private Dancer".

[Amavida]

The last couple of pages seem to be dominated by comments from those, notably Amavida who seem to be dripping with contempt for Filipinas in general and those on the dating sites in particular.

<snip>

My own style is not to get too concerned about these girls going out with other guys (sometimes not that easy with particular favourites), never to send money to girls when I'm not there, but to reward them fairly for time spent with me and services rendered. I always make it clear that I will see a bunch of other girls, and enjoy threesomes etc. My experience is that if one does this, the girls are generally pretty upfront and honest about who else they are scheduled to see and when etc.
G'day Greg, thanks for your comment mate.
My summary of your approach is :

1) Treat the place as a sex tourist destination only.
2) Treat all girls are prostitutes.

And this is different to my take how??

My wish is simply to warn off guy's contemplating PI as a) retirement location and b) a place to find a life partner. IMHO bad idea. I've walked the walk. It ain't pretty..
Frankly I developed more respect for bar girls than 'good girls', at least they're honest about what they are doing.

AV

[Tally Wacker]

Maybe you were looking for the wrong type of girl regarding life partner? Or maybe they saw you comming from a long way off and their game was better?

I have met a few regular girls that were keepers. They never talked about money and when I insisted to take them shopping they were very fruggle and I had to push them into buying extra clothes and stuff. I only did that after the 2nd or 3rd day I was with them and saw what their character was like.

I would leave my money out in plain view and offer this and that when ever we went out. The ones who took the bait fell off my list but the sex was fun.

The filipina who is now my gf is a sweetheart and I have known here for a year. She is super sexy but did not give me the best sex from my trip or enjoy when I tried to take nude photos of her. But she seems to have all the traits of a long term partner like, never asking for money even if she really needs it, gave me all her passwords to her accounts even though I did not ask or want, she introduced me to her family who never expected or asked for money or things, she washed and folded my clothes everyday and alot of other things that were wonderful.

Who knows if the relationship will workout for long term but there are wonderful filipinas who are keepers.

You probably won't find a keeper if she is willing to have sex for money or who gives it up the first time you meet her or if your prime idea is to fuck the hottest filipina and give nothing back except a few pesos.

Just my take on filipinas.


b) a place to find a life partner. IMHO bad idea. I've walked the walk. It ain't pretty.

Frankly I developed more respect for bar girls than 'good girls', at least they're honest about what they are doing.

AV

[Cunning Stunt]

.

I also mentioned in the same post a book called "Ermita", by F. Sionil Jose (a Phils National Artist for Literature - 87 yo and still going).
It is published in Manila and also freely available (and cheap too!)
It is a very definitive account of a filipina's life.
Jose has collected key traits (good and bad) from every filipina you you are EVER likely to meet and put them into his complex main character. Some guys might recognize themselves in some of the other characters.
I actually got more insights out of it than I did from "Private Dancer".

I'll have to read it, although the story plot does not appear to be contemporaneous, having being set in pre-Marcos Manila.

If you want to meet the old chap who wrote the novel, he is the owner of that funky old bookshop on Padre Faura called the Solidaridad. I've passed it many times but never been in, thinking from the window display that it was devoted to religeous tracts (hardly the thing for an old sinner like me:)). But it is actually THE place for literary types in Manila.

[Red Kilt]

I'll have to read it, although the story plot does not appear to be contemporaneous, having being set in pre-Marcos Manila.

If you want to meet the old chap who wrote the novel, he is the owner of that funky old bookshop on Padre Faura called the Solidaridad. I've passed it many times but never been in, thinking from the window display that it was devoted to religeous tracts (hardly the thing for an old sinner like me:)). But it is actually THE place for literary types in Manila.

Been there many times mate.

Religious???? Francisco Sionil Jose sure aint that.

He is an icon. I agree it was written right up to and included Marcos period but.... as you very well know, things change slowly in the PI culture CS. You will get insights into the politician's mistress scene, the call-girl scene, the snobbery of the upper class etc etc.

Still contemporaneous enough to be a good read.

Suck it and see

[Cuba Tourist]

"My wish is simply to warn off guy's contemplating PI as a) retirement location"

Please explain.

[GoodEnough]

My wish is simply to warn off guy's contemplating PI as a) retirement location and b) a place to find a life partner. IMHO bad idea. I've walked the walk. It ain't pretty.
AV

I'm not sure I would write off the entire country as a retirement destination. I know several expats who have retired here and enjoy themselves thoroughly. For the most part these are guys with decent nest eggs, who live well, enjoy year-round golfing and other sports, and don't while away their time getting drunk in seedy expat bars with others of similar ilk. For the most part, these guys are married to Filipinas, have built or are renting decent houses, and live thoroughly middle class lives.

GE

[Amavida]

"My wish is simply to warn off guy's contemplating PI as a) retirement location"

Please explain.
Exploding population + entrenched kleptocracy = looming disaster
Increasing cost of living + crumbling third world infrastructure = relatively expensive for a shit hole.
Foreign ownership hostile laws.
A joke of a land tenure system.
Increasing gun violence.
Extra Judicial political killings.
Increasing Insurgency..

I gave the place 5 years in my original plan. Time's up & I find countries like Malaysia a compelling choice.

AV

[Amavida]

I know several expats who have retired here and enjoy themselves thoroughly... For the most part, these guys are married to Filipinas, have built or are renting decent houses, and live thoroughly middle class lives.

GE
Best of luck to them living at the mercy of their Pinay

[WestCoast1]

Best of luck to them living at the mercy of their Pinay
To the end of Amavida's post, add, "... mercy of their Pinay AND HER FAMILY." But, you know, I could be wrong. While I don't share all of AV's concerns (listed below), I share many of them. The item not listed is this one of having to support her and her family, and being so influenced by them.

[Amavida]

To the end of Amavida's post, add, "... mercy of their Pinay AND HER FAMILY." But, you know, I could be wrong. While I don't share all of AV's concerns (listed below), I share many of them. The item not listed is this one of having to support her and her family, and being so influenced by them.
It's like sitting in a bath full of leeches if you get involved with any but the wealthy but then the wealthy girls are so dangerously immature & unstable.

[Radical Guy]

but then the wealthy girls are so dangerously immature & unstable.

That would describe most women in general, IMHO.

[GoodEnough]

Best of luck to them living at the mercy of their Pinay
Which is why I would never buy a house here. Ain't gonna structure my life around the whims of someone else, regardless of her nationality.

[FreebieFan]

Exploding population + entrenched kleptocracy = looming disaster
Increasing cost of living + crumbling third world infrastructure = relatively expensive for a shit hole.
Foreign ownership hostile laws.
A joke of a land tenure system.
Increasing gun violence.
Extra Judicial political killings.
Increasing Insurgency..

I gave the place 5 years in my original plan. Time's up & I find countries like Malaysia a compelling choice.

AVAV you may want to talk to me about Malaysia. I'm just finishing my 5 years here and leaving. Its a not a paradise either.

[Cuba Tourist]

But if you came as a retired person and rented both the house and the girl, what would be so bad? If things heated up, you could always move to where ever....keep a low profile, keep your assets out of the country (very important) and keep busy scuba diving...but if you came permanently and tried to Date in Asia for years, someone could target you...

Goodenough, I enjoyed our dinner in Davao several months back.

[GregLondon]

G'day Greg, thanks for your comment mate.

My summary of your approach is:

1) Treat the place as a sex tourist destination only.

2) Treat all girls are prostitutes.

And this is different to my take how?

My wish is simply to warn off guy's contemplating PI as a) retirement location and b) a place to find a life partner. IMHO bad idea. I've walked the walk. It ain't pretty.

Frankly I developed more respect for bar girls than 'good girls', at least they're honest about what they are doing.

AVI think one thing that I have learned is that different guys have very different needs and ideas of optimal lives. I think it's all too easy for each one of us to assume that everyone has the same motivational set as we do.

Personally, I would share many of AV's concerns about the Phils as a retirement destination. In terms of property ownership and business the cards are very much stacked against you. The infrastructure is crumbling and compared with elsewhere in Asia it is a violent country. However were I say a 60 year old guy facing the prospect of early retirement in say Huddersfield or Pittsburg scrapping by on a modest pension and almost completely ignored by any female under 50, Phils would certainly have some serious attractions. The problems that you mention are the fundamental reason why incomes in the country have not been increasing at 10% pa like in the rest of Asia. But as those in say Thailand (which now has 2x the GDP/head), the inevitable impact of rising living standards is that hot 20s year olds are no longer keen to hang out with 60 year old guys except on prohibitively high short term rates.

If you are going to marry a Filipina you certainly have to chose wisely and especially try and avoid being picked to the bone by a ravenous family. There are examples of guys who have fallen into this trap, but also as GE has said examples of those who have probably had more fun in their retirement than in their previous 40 years.

Personally I don't feel ready for such a life and prefer a more itinerant lifestyle and shorter term relationships. Does that mean all such lifestyles are the same as AV suggests? Well in a sense they do all boil down to sex tourism / prostitution however IMHO much turns on a guys attitude towards women in general and Filipinas in particular. There are plenty of guys many of whom who have got seriously burned by failed relationships with women who whilst retaining a strong heterosexual sex drive are fundamentally misogynist and who treat all women with cynicism, contempt and suspicion. Others of us, have perhaps not had such negative experiences, have many good female friends and generally get on pretty well with women.

[Fast Buck Artist]

try telling her that your skint and could she lend you 1000 pesos when you next meet and see how long she sticks around.Hahaha. Oh come on mate. That line will get you dumped in any country by any woman. No need to point fingers at filipinas. Every woman wants to have a financially stable partner. Its just common sense.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Exploding population + entrenched kleptocracy = looming disaster

Increasing cost of living + crumbling third world infrastructure = relatively expensive for a shit hole.

AVVery true and quite sad. Add awful air&water pollution to your list. But arent mongers in a love affair with shithole countries?. Just look at the most popular threads on this forum. Kenya. Philippines. Cambodia. Dominican Republic. Colombia. Etc. The deeper in shit a country is. The more mongers you'll find there hunting young girls desperate for cash.

If you want infrastructure and fine living. Stay in Gold Coast Queensland.

If you want cheap pussy on demand. Well you'll have to put up with all the "joys" of a 3rd world garbage dump.

[Red Kilt]

.................

If you want infrastructure and fine living.. stay in Gold Coast Queensland.
If you want cheap pussy on demand.. well you'll have to put up with all the "joys" of a 3rd world garbage dumpVery harsh and oh so cruel F B A but also, unfortunately, very true.

[FreebieFan]

Ms Adrialen from Caloocan is quite nicely honest in her profile when she says she seeks "A man who is rich willing to gave me evrything they had "

Good luck to the punter who gets her! LOL

[TurdyCurdyOne]

I think one thing that I have learned is that different guys have very different needs and ideas of optimal lives. I think it's all too easy for each one of us to assume that everyone has the same motivational set as we do.

Personally, I would share many of AV's concerns about the Phils as a retirement destination. In terms of property ownership and business the cards are very much stacked against you. The infrastructure is crumbling and compared with elsewhere in Asia it is a violent country. However were I say a 60 year old guy facing the prospect of early retirement in say Huddersfield or Pittsburg scrapping by on a modest pension and almost completely ignored by any female under 50, Phils would certainly have some serious attractions. The problems that you mention are the fundamental reason why incomes in the country have not been increasing at 10% pa like in the rest of Asia. But as those in say Thailand (which now has 2x the GDP/head), the inevitable impact of rising living standards is that hot 20s year olds are no longer keen to hang out with 60 year old guys except on prohibitively high short term rates.

If you are going to marry a Filipina you certainly have to chose wisely and especially try and avoid being picked to the bone by a ravenous family. There are examples of guys who have fallen into this trap, but also as GE has said examples of those who have probably had more fun in their retirement than in their previous 40 years.

Personally I don't feel ready for such a life and prefer a more itinerant lifestyle and shorter term relationships. Does that mean all such lifestyles are the same as AV suggests? Well in a sense they do all boil down to sex tourism / prostitution however IMHO much turns on a guys attitude towards women in general and Filipinas in particular. There are plenty of guys many of whom who have got seriously burned by failed relationships with women who whilst retaining a strong heterosexual sex drive are fundamentally misogynist and who treat all women with cynicism, contempt and suspicion. Others of us, have perhaps not had such negative experiences, have many good female friends and generally get on pretty well with women.


Enjoyed your post, good analysis.

In my case I also know that my USA gov. insurance is NO GOOD in the Phil.
This means as an old guy if I get sick my medical bills could well drive me back to the USA significantly more poor than I was when I left. Anyone here know anyone who is on Phil medical insurance through their wives-I wonder if it's any good?

The problem is also that it is very hard to make money in the Phil, especially as a foreigner. Nearly impossible in fact, especially if you intend to do it legally. If you do start making good money you will soon have someone putting the bite on you or trying to get you deported.

I think your "itinerant" outlook has many advantages.

There are VERY FEW women, especially ones you meet online, who will give as good as they get. They want to be taken care of. It's rare to find a woman who contributes as much as the man in a practical manner to the relationship. Sexual partners, housewives, etc might be easy to find in RP but try finding a woman who will help YOU as much as you help her. That's difficult. Especially one that is also good in bed and a good companion.

Also I suffer the malady that many on this board do. I just get tired of the same woman, no matter who she is. I have yet to find a woman who I can be passionate about after 4 years living with her. Often I lose interest in her sexually after that amount of time and, of course, it all goes downhill from there.

Yet the fast paced musical chair sex partner changing described by some here is too much for me and rather empty feeling. True love and companionship that lasts may be more of an illusion than reality. It's amazing to me that some couples stay together for 40-50 years and claim they are happy and content; if they do, I think it's not based on sex.

I used to frequent the pattaycity board-not sure what happened to it, but it had alot of veteran se asian mongerers. Many of them said that the Phil was the LAST place in SE Asia they would want to settle in. Many on other boards have noted as others here have that the country is overpriced and not a good value, even compared to Thailand. The PI ridiculous visa fees, which, imo are just a method for trying to keep poorer foreigners from entering and line the pockets of a corrupt gov., add to the burden of the bad air, pollution, crime and scamarama qualities of the Phil.

The fact is about the only good thing about the Phil is the impoverished, and thus needy Filipinas there. They know they are in Hell and they want out. I guess the foreigner who has it made there is someone who is married to a rich, connected Filipina who is not too jealous and overlooks his indiscretions, if such a creature exists. Also of course the many beaches, services, such as massage are cheap as are most of the locally raised food and caught fish.

Just some random thoughts off the top of my head at 1:30am here.....

[FreebieFan]

For those who like girls with a larger developed chest than is normal there are some ladies who post on http://filipina4friends.com

They have names phone numbers and email adds but it never shows where they are from.

I've been in contact with one or two ladies from it but it never amounted to anything.

[FreebieFan]

Your waiting is over. Proceed to asianhottie1982. Looks like she has everything that you need and more besides.!

[Matius]

I think one thing that I have learned is that different guys have very different needs and ideas of optimal lives. I think it's all too easy for each one of us to assume that everyone has the same motivational set as we do.

Personally, I would share many of AV's concerns about the Phils as a retirement destination. In terms of property ownership and business the cards are very much stacked against you. The infrastructure is crumbling and compared with elsewhere in Asia it is a violent country. However were I say a 60 year old guy facing the prospect of early retirement in say Huddersfield or Pittsburg scrapping by on a modest pension and almost completely ignored by any female under 50, Phils would certainly have some serious attractions. The problems that you mention are the fundamental reason why incomes in the country have not been increasing at 10% pa like in the rest of Asia. But as those in say Thailand (which now has 2x the GDP/head), the inevitable impact of rising living standards is that hot 20s year olds are no longer keen to hang out with 60 year old guys except on prohibitively high short term rates.

If you are going to marry a Filipina you certainly have to chose wisely and especially try and avoid being picked to the bone by a ravenous family. There are examples of guys who have fallen into this trap, but also as GE has said examples of those who have probably had more fun in their retirement than in their previous 40 years.

Personally I don't feel ready for such a life and prefer a more itinerant lifestyle and shorter term relationships. Does that mean all such lifestyles are the same as AV suggests? Well in a sense they do all boil down to sex tourism / prostitution however IMHO much turns on a guys attitude towards women in general and Filipinas in particular. There are plenty of guys many of whom who have got seriously burned by failed relationships with women who whilst retaining a strong heterosexual sex drive are fundamentally misogynist and who treat all women with cynicism, contempt and suspicion. Others of us, have perhaps not had such negative experiences, have many good female friends and generally get on pretty well with women.

I agree with almost everything. Being a person who lives here and is considered retired, think one has to have a strategy before making a decision to live here. I know many expats here, and often it seems their strategy is more about leaving their home country (perhaps for good reasons), rather than what they will do when they live here. They came here on vacation, or as part of the military some years back, or "fell in love" with a Filipina, then they are counting the days, weeks months till they sell everything they have to move here.

First issue is having a means of financial support. Either a pension plan, investment income (from outside the country), or savings...you will not make enough money here to support any acceptable lifestyle. Saying this to most also, if you've not been saavy enough to run your own business and make money in your home country (other than being a wage slave to some company or organization), it is a thousand times harder here to make money as a small business owner. It is very very difficult to make money selling in the Philippines and quality control is an immense problem for exporting services or goods from the Philippines (not to mention theft and corruption). Delegation of authority and responsibility to most Filipino's in running your business does not work, so one has to be hands on in almost everything. They have almost zero capability to think ahead or plan, and very few can follow instructions without direct supervision.

Second issue is having a visa. There is an excellent system of getting a retirement visa, costs about $1,500 U.S. and one has to deposit permantly $20,000 (if over 50 years old) in a Philippines bank account (there are some differences based on investments in residential property, having a pension plan, etc). The organization is called the Philippine Retirement Authority (PRA). Vary rarily said in the same sentence with Philippine government organization, but if one follows the application procedures, the PRA is an extremly honest organization. So many come here without the capital or plan on getting a visa, then they have to pay extortion fees on renewal of a tourist visa every two months, or they run out of money and are over-stay. They can't settle for fear of getting caught, or use up their remaining savings buying their way out of jail when they do get caught. Others get a visa by way of marrying a Filipina, then when the marriage goes bad, or the wife gets mad, she can have your visa rescinded..in point of fact she owns you.

Third issue is what you will do with your time. Like the guy who buys the Caravan motor home upon retirement and it sits in his driveway and never used. Travelling around the Philippines (note: rough living in the provinces), is a very short term plan, easily within a year all will be seen. The bars and even the girls are fun when a tourist, but day in and day out, it gets old for most. Creating internet forums, being expat managers at various businesses, there is no money. One who spends like a tourist, generally runs out of money, because it is expensive if doing it seven days a week, 365 days a year. Can go live on the mountain or the provinces, but there is even less to do there than in the two or three major cities. Living is cheap, but so too in your home country if you never leave the house and eat rice and stinky fish. If you have plan on what to do, have friends, have a hobby or something, that is a major hurdle. In the alternative, many just become drunks moving from one cheap bar to another.

Fourth issue (probably not the last) is dealing with the Filippino's. Sooner or later one has to put their home country ideals behind them and learn how to deal with the girls, families and various externals that will greatly impact your life here. Two words are required... F..K Off!!! If one does not have the capability to take this to heart, then open your wallet and be prepared to spend. Girlfriend, her family, the yard boy, the housekeeper, various investment schemes (from both the Filippino and the cash starved expats), the local officials, police, government agencies, shop owners, the list goes on. One might and should at times say those two words a different way, a polite way, but the meaning is the same. The do's and don't's when dealing with the Filipino can fill books, but one has to harden their heart, or empty their wallet. This is a welfare state, and through various occupations, military bases, international grants, 40% of GDP from overseas workers sending money back, and no well paying jobs, the people are culturally programed to get what they can for the least amount of effort. Many think girls work in P4P because of economic hardship, an alternative equally powerful reason is that it is basically easy work with a high pay. The families support their daughters doing this work, because again it is good income with the least amount of effort. Of course poverity plays a major role, but with almost zero work ethic in the culture, naturally they are poor.

I am not insistent that one should not retire here, as stated, I have and for the most part like my life here. But it is not easy here, and just because beer and barfines are cheap does not mean living is cheap. Want quality in anything, you are going to pay. (I am still in search of a door knob that does not break in six months or plumbing that does not fall apart monthly).

Without a joke, have to go now, my girlfriend just text me, she needs money to send home to mama, 4,000 peso should do so she says (that's about $100 U.S. at current exchange rates). She is a good girl, she only asks once a month. Last girl friend wanted that much a week for mama...guess what I told her?

[Cunning Stunt]

Others get a visa by way of marrying a Filipina, then when the marriage goes bad, or the wife gets mad, she can have your visa rescinded..in point of fact she owns you.

Nice summary of the problems facing the retiree on moving to The Philippines. I would, however, point out that, unless things have changed drastically recently, marriage to a Filipina does not get you a long term visa. If you live outside The Philippines and visit accompanied by your wife, you can get what is known as a balikbayan visa which is good for a year. But there are rules regarding qualifying length of time outside of PI and they seem to be more strictly adhered to recently.

I have given up living full time in The Philippines as the place was driving me crackers. So now that I have more or less retired, I divide my time, spending 5-6 months of the European winter here and the rest of the year either travelling or in my home country. But, of course, you have to have sufficient pension/investment income to be able to do this.

Whilst in the Philippines, I see myself in rest mode, spending my time doing all those things that I don't have time to do the rest of the year. I seem to be busy enough although the fact that I contribute frequently to this forum does suggest that I have plenty of spare time on my hands;).

[Fast Buck Artist]

Want quality in anything, you are going to pay. (I am still in search of a door knob that does not break in six months or plumbing that does not fall apart monthly).


Very good post Matius.. I frequently hear expats fantasizing about "cheap living" in a cheap country.. truth is, you get what you pay for. If you want cheap, you live in shit like the locals.. if you want western quality, you pay western prices for it.

And some things you cant get at any price.. for example clean air and fast transportation.

For you older folks considering retiring here.. you'll have to put up with a mountain of shit for the sake of getting cheap pussy.. think hard if it's worth it... I dont think it is

[Fast Buck Artist]

Your waiting is over. Proceed to asianhottie1982. Looks like she has everything that you need and more besides.!

Scam.. look at the photo.. there is a red photoshopped contour around the head

[GregLondon]

....... various investment schemes (from both the Filippino and the cash starved expats), .....



Wonderful post Matius: should be required reading for anyone contemplating retirement in the Phils. As a highly experienced finance professional, I wanted to comment on your reference to investment schemes, especially as a friend of mine contemplating retirement in the Phils was talking to me about a scheme recommended by a buddy of his which promised exceptional returns for very low risk.

My warning to others is the same as my warning to him. Be VERY VERY wary of such schemes. The fundamental axiom of financial theory is that expected return varies with risk. If someone is offering you a scheme or account which promises returns way above the "risk free" return from say Government Bonds, be very suspicious that it is not as risk free as promoted. Investors with Bernie Madoff forgot this Golden Rule and ended up $50 billion poorer. Things can go swimmingly well for such schemes until they don't - in often a disastrous way. Another rule - the more earnestly a scheme is being marketed, the more someone is taking commission - out of your investment income. Unless you really know what you are doing in terms of finance the two rules that I would recommend following are. 1 Diversify your bets by investing in a range of stocks / currencies / commodities and other assets. 2 Seek to minimise the annual fees/commissions you are paying out

[FreebieFan]

Wonderful post Matius: should be required reading for anyone contemplating retirement in the Phils. As a highly experienced finance professional, I wanted to comment on your reference to investment schemes, especially as a friend of mine contemplating retirement in the Phils was talking to me about a scheme recommended by a buddy of his which promised exceptional returns for very low risk.

My warning to others is the same as my warning to him. Be VERY VERY wary of such schemes. The fundamental axiom of financial theory is that expected return varies with risk. If someone is offering you a scheme or account which promises returns way above the "risk free" return from say Government Bonds, be very suspicious that it is not as risk free as promoted. Investors with Bernie Madoff forgot this Golden Rule and ended up $50 billion poorer. Things can go swimmingly well for such schemes until they don't. In often a disastrous way. Another rule. The more earnestly a scheme is being marketed, the more someone is taking commission. Out of your investment income. Unless you really know what you are doing in terms of finance the two rules that I would recommend following are. 1 Diversify your bets by investing in a range of stocks / currencies / commodities and other assets. 2 Seek to minimise the annual fees/commissions you are paying outOr to make it shorter " whats too good to be true, usually is! "

Theres an English guy who works from Clark, who offers a few interesting and few exotic investments. Most are connected to some of the larger finance houses but hes offered some good schemes and provides a good service to expats. I've only purchased form him once but it worked out fine. And no this isn't an endorsement, more just providing info.

[FreebieFan]

Scam.. look at the photo.. there is a red photoshopped contour around the headOh well. It was a nice pic.

[Gangles]

GL, as an experienced professional in the financial arena, would you agree or disagree that the banking system abides by the same principle, that is returns at about the same rate as government bonds?

Or are they looking for much higher?

It seems that the major banks in Australia are making filthy large amounts of profits which seem disproportionate to risk.

Comment?

G

[Gangles]

Matius, I was very impressed with your analysis.

However you seem to have lost track of the costs of living in western countries.

I am Australian. The fastest rising costs that affect me are charges for water, electricity and government charges.

They are rising fast, and are expected to accelerate.

For example, before I move to the Phils, I need to sell two urban properties. The annual taxes that I presently pay on these amounts to 22,000 pesos per month. So the sale of these will mean that I have an extra 22k pesos which should nicely pay my rent.

G

[GregLondon]

GL, as an experienced professional in the financial arena, would you agree or disagree that the banking system abides by the same principle, that is returns at about the same rate as government bonds?

Or are they looking for much higher?

It seems that the major banks in Australia are making filthy large amounts of profits which seem disproportionate to risk.

Comment?

G

Apologies for an off topic post.

I would say that from an investor's perspective banking stocks are high risk investments. The essence of banking is that you earn a modest profit margin in return for taking a very large but low probability downside (default of the borrower). The idea is that by making millions of loans this risk is diversified away and becomes manageable with statistically predictable default rates. The problem is that defaults are highly correlated with each other, when economies get sucked into exuberant bubbles huge amounts of debt is piled on which it is very difficult/impossible for borrowers to repay once the party ends and the bubble bursts. Banks have found it extraordinarily difficult to cope with such risks in part because whilst the party is in full swing the decision making employees are paid according to the short term profits ignoring the medium term risks. Of course it is the job of government regulators to try to ensure that the party doesn't get out of hand and the banks exercise restraint. In both Australia and Canada the regulators did a pretty good job of this. Whereas in the US, UK and much of Continental Europe they failed miserably. The result is that a couple of years of losses effectively wipe out a century of banking profits. Of course what has happened is that in order to prevent complete financial meltdown, Governments have effectively transferred much of this bad debt to the public sector where it will eventually be dealt with either through taxation or devaluing the currency, so that in many cases bank investors obtained a "Get out of Jail" card. This is even true of the Australian banks which despite being relatively well regulated at home are inevitably so entwined with the global financial system that they would probably also have gone down had the US, UK and Europeans allowed AIG, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and a dozen major banks to fail.

[Starchild2012]

I agree with almost everything. Being a person who lives here and is considered retired, think one has to have a strategy before making a decision to live here. I know many expats here, and often it seems their strategy is more about leaving their home country (perhaps for good reasons), rather than what they will do when they live here. They came here on vacation, or as part of the military some years back, or "fell in love" with a Filipina, then they are counting the days, weeks months till they sell everything they have to move here.



Very well said Matius...The points you mentioned are true for young guys also. Being born in a third world country and moving to another..I will say this...the whole system from India to PH is corrupt..and everything in between.

Some may not like what i'm going to say now. If you want to enjoy living in a third world country...you better have some shady black money with you...trust me the whole system is designed to benefit the corrupt and immorals...If you plan to work 9-5 in corporate slavery in the west and plan to live a life of king in the east forget it....

Unless you made your fortune with not so good ways...you are always going to struggle here after sometime...Only money matters here...90% of the local folks who make money in a third world country are doing it by beating the system and bribing the laws away...the system is designed to benefit the rich who make money with corrupt ways.

Your 9-5 savings would not be enough to beat the system here...

I fully understand the standard of the west...but unfortunately it ain't gonna work here.....the system works towards rich...not for the law..the game is rigged here...its unfair for the folks who make money with sincere means and wants to go high up in life...it is impossible to make it on top for 99% of the time with sincere efforts..what we see on media is just a cover story the reality is totally opposite....the mafia rules the third world countries like Africa is ruled by war lords.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Would you please clarify? I may be misinformed. I thought marriage to Filipina allowed you to get a resident long term visa? You sure it does not? Why was the Phil driving you crazy, what was it about the place you could not take?



Nice summary of the problems facing the retiree on moving to The Philippines. I would, however, point out that, unless things have changed drastically recently, marriage to a Filipina does not get you a long term visa. If you live outside The Philippines and visit accompanied by your wife, you can get what is known as a balikbayan visa which is good for a year. But there are rules regarding qualifying length of time outside of PI and they seem to be more strictly adhered to recently.

I have given up living full time in The Philippines as the place was driving me crackers. So now that I have more or less retired, I divide my time, spending 5-6 months of the European winter here and the rest of the year either travelling or in my home country. But, of course, you have to have sufficient pension/investment income to be able to do this.

Whilst in the Philippines, I see myself in rest mode, spending my time doing all those things that I don't have time to do the rest of the year. I seem to be busy enough although the fact that I contribute frequently to this forum does suggest that I have plenty of spare time on my hands;).

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Living costs are higher in western countries, but in western countries, you can EARN money. You can't, not legally in Phil. Also u cannot own land, or house or most businesses as foreigner. Even if you do clear any foreigner hurdles in starting a business expect there to be a line at your door looking for bribes and anyone who is pissed off at you maybe trying to get u deported? Starting a business in the Phil is a long drawn out process also, with hefty fees and alot of bureacracy along the way-if u want to do it legally that is.

Also electric is nearly as high maybe even higher as in usa-their rates just went up and you have frequent power outtages so figure an additional 2-4 thousand dollars for a generator. Unlikely your medical insurance will be any good there, so figure on paying up front for any medical care. Also you don't have to pay $60-$70USD every two months to stay in the country and travel costs when u have to leave to renew after 18mos, not to mention the hassle.

Also you don't have filipinas with extended families and others with their hands out. In western countries ur not expected to help the extended family.





Matius, I was very impressed with your analysis.

However you seem to have lost track of the costs of living in western countries.

I am Australian. The fastest rising costs that affect me are charges for water, electricity and government charges.

They are rising fast, and are expected to accelerate.

For example, before I move to the Phils, I need to sell two urban properties. The annual taxes that I presently pay on these amounts to 22,000 pesos per month. So the sale of these will mean that I have an extra 22k pesos which should nicely pay my rent.

G

[Red Kilt]

Would you please clarify? I may be misinformed. I thought marriage to Filipina allowed you to get a resident long term visa? You sure it does not? .........

I am afraid CS got it wrong.
I have a permanent visa 13a gained immediately after I married my filipina wife in 2006.
No hassles and no worries.
I just need to rock up to the BoI between Jan 1 and March 30 each year, do my "foreigner resident in the PI" report, pay 310 pesos and I am good for another year

[Matius]

I am not suggesting the "market basket" of Filipino goods are more expensive than the "market basket" of American, Australian or European goods. I can cite example after example of buying in the Philippines is cheaper than other countries. Take cigarettes, they are about 40 peso a pack (about $1 U.S.), but Marlboro Lights here are made with crap tobacco that has you coughing a lung out. What I am suggesting is that people talk about costs here, without a consideration of the quality they receive. See these forums talk about apartments for 4,000 peso or 8,000 peso per month (that is about $100 to $200 per month), but I won't live in them. My apartment costs $30,000 peso per month. That is about $700 per month. For that I get air conditioning, hot water, a semi modern kitchen and bathrooms, with swimming pool. Yes, cheaper than many countries, but its not $100 per month. You want to buy your fish for dinner in the open market, with the flies and bugs crawling all over them or are you going to buy in a store with some sort of hygene. I can buy cheap Filipino goods (actually most manufactured product is cheap Chinese goods), but the quality and repair is a major factor. My point is that one has to do some analysis of the lifestyle they expect and the true cost to get it here. Can't just look at the price of beer and P..sy.

I don't know about marriage visa. THANK GOD!!!! I just know guys who have gotten stiched up by their ex when she had their visa revoked. Its extortion, you pay the money I want, or I have your visa revoked. To me nothing is permanent if the wife can pull you up by the short hairs. Not even getting into your being evicted from the family home, her keeping all of your furniture and assets, filing false charges against you for physical abuse. Recommend you don't get married. Get married so you can get a visa to the Philippines, laughable.

There was some sound advice about investment strategies and returns. Think it was a general statement, so allow me to add the Philippine caveat. There is no return on investment in the Philippines, large or small. Anyone here that is trying to sell you something on a return basis, be aware you will lose money. Don't look at those few foreigners who make money here, there is a whole lot of connections, relationships and background stuff that none of you will have. Further, when the guy who claims to have all these connections, relationships and background stuff is going to "let you in" on his wonderful investment....run fast, as the only return will be made by him. You will lose...period. So many will not take this to heart, because they are smarter than the other guy. People here do make a good living off the "smarter" guy.

Now all this sounds negative, don't really mean it that way. I am happy here, have a good life and have no desire to leave. It is though a minefield, and we can speak of how beautiful the grass is, or how to avoid being blown up. You cannot retire here with $20,000 of savings, unless you have only 12 months to live. If you are a young guy, make your living in a developed country, then retire here, you will not make your fortune here. For most, this is a tourist destination, the flowers are in full bloom (if you know what I mean), come here, enjoy and then go home to your life.

[Cunning Stunt]

Would you please clarify? I may be misinformed. I thought marriage to Filipina allowed you to get a resident long term visa? You sure it does not? Why was the Phil driving you crazy, what was it about the place you could not take?

Whoops, looks like I'm talking out my arse again:D.

I think any westerner who lives here for any extended period of time and who say that they don’t get mightily sick of the place is either a liar or a flatliner. The place has a way of getting way under your skin, like a chronic skin infection. This is particularly the case when you are foolish enough, like me, to base yourself in Manila. It’s a combination of factors varying from the weather and pollution to the all pervasive stink of urban decay, poverty and corruption to the shortage of things like good restaurants and cultural events. You want to catch a play or a good band in concert or a sporting event that isn’t held indoors with 2 hoops, a ball and some tall guys … then its tough shit.

Put it like this … honestly how many of us would put up with the place long term if it wasn’t for the compensations which brought most of us here in the first instance.

Funny thing is though, that when I’m away for any length of time I do start to miss the place, and not only for the easy availability of willing young pussy. But, for the good of my health (and because I can), I will now restrict my visits to a few months of each year and at the best time weather wise which is from about now until March. I always hated the hot and the rainy seasons (the rest of the year) in any case.

[Gangles]

GL's discussion of the profitability of the banking sector is off the mark.

While the general adage of return is proportionate to risk applies to most investments, it does not do so in the banking industry.

When the banks were about to go belly up during the GFC, the taxpayer stepped in and guaranteed and/or bailed out the banks. So the bank actually carries zero risk - at the gross business level.

This has prompted a lively discussion in Australia about the degree of profit that banks should be able to make. The concept is that since the taxpayer carries the risk for the bank, then the taxpayer has become a latent partner in the bank, and should be rewarded appropriately. That is, modest interest rates for loans and modest rates of return for the bank.

It is an interesting debate. Worth following.

G

[Fast Buck Artist]

Here is a lively conversation I just had with a "not for games" girl.. good to know there are still well mannered girls with a solid catholic upbringing and family moral values :)

Lily: so what are you plan tonyt?
FastBuckArtist: want to go out? where do I meet you
Lily: with my friend...please
FastBuckArtist: why you want to bring other people
Lily: coz they are horny now.. so you try 3 some thats more fun dont be shy..its a normal
FastBuckArtist: lol I am not shy.. I am just not in the mood for a groupie tonight. can I just meet you?
Lily: so i come there now?
FastBuckArtist: give me half an hour.. I need to take a shower
Lily: ok...you pay me na?
FastBuckArtist: I have 2000 here.. are you happy with that? and dinner and drinks are on me on top of that ;)
Lily: can u make it 2200? coz my taxi pay..
FastBuckArtist: I'll come get you no need for taxi.. just tell me where to pick you up
Lily: i finish eat no need to pay me for the food...make it cash all
FastBuckArtist: geez.. you are so professional.. feel like I am bargaining for a used motorbike
Lily: your right hehehe im frunkly

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"Frunkly" indeed lol.. this one can truly say she is "not for games" haha... strictly business :| what a fine well brought up 19 year old

[Radical Guy]

Here is a lively conversation I just had with a "not for games" girl.. good to know there are still well mannered girls with a solid catholic upbringing and family moral values :)

Lily: so what are you plan tonyt?
FastBuckArtist: want to go out? where do I meet you
Lily: with my friend...please
FastBuckArtist: why you want to bring other people
Lily: coz they are horny now.. so you try 3 some thats more fun dont be shy..its a normal
FastBuckArtist: lol I am not shy.. I am just not in the mood for a groupie tonight. can I just meet you?
Lily: so i come there now?
FastBuckArtist: give me half an hour.. I need to take a shower
Lily: ok...you pay me na?
FastBuckArtist: I have 2000 here.. are you happy with that? and dinner and drinks are on me on top of that ;)
Lily: can u make it 2200? coz my taxi pay..
FastBuckArtist: I'll come get you no need for taxi.. just tell me where to pick you up
Lily: i finish eat no need to pay me for the food...make it cash all
FastBuckArtist: geez.. you are so professional.. feel like I am bargaining for a used motorbike
Lily: your right hehehe im frunkly

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"Frunkly" indeed lol.. this one can truly say she is "not for games" haha... strictly business :| what a fine well brought up 19 year old

Sounds like a real virgin to me, quite frunkly! lol

[TurdyCurdyOne]

I am afraid CS got it wrong.
I have a permanent visa 13a gained immediately after I married my filipina wife in 2006.
No hassles and no worries.
I just need to rock up to the BoI between Jan 1 and March 30 each year, do my "foreigner resident in the PI" report, pay 310 pesos and I am good for another year

Thanks much for the clarification. I thought what he said was incorrect also.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Whoops, looks like I'm talking out my arse again:D.

I think any westerner who lives here for any extended period of time and who say that they don’t get mightily sick of the place is either a liar or a flatliner. The place has a way of getting way under your skin, like a chronic skin infection. This is particularly the case when you are foolish enough, like me, to base yourself in Manila. It’s a combination of factors varying from the weather and pollution to the all pervasive stink of urban decay, poverty and corruption to the shortage of things like good restaurants and cultural events. You want to catch a play or a good band in concert or a sporting event that isn’t held indoors with 2 hoops, a ball and some tall guys … then its tough shit.

Put it like this … honestly how many of us would put up with the place long term if it wasn’t for the compensations which brought most of us here in the first instance.

Funny thing is though, that when I’m away for any length of time I do start to miss the place, and not only for the easy availability of willing young pussy. But, for the good of my health (and because I can), I will now restrict my visits to a few months of each year and at the best time weather wise which is from about now until March. I always hated the hot and the rainy seasons (the rest of the year) in any case.

Well you're not alone for sure. I have a friend who tried to live there twice and could not hack it. I also had a friend who had a successful biz in Manila that got so sick of all the bribes and delays he move out lock stock and barrel to the Fiji Islands and his much happier with his biz there.

As I said previously many mongers on one Thai board assured me that of all the countries in SE Asia, the Phil would be the LAST on their list of places to live.

But as you stated, if you want the comforts of home you're not going to find that with the cheap and willing young girls. Pick one, you won't get both, unless your filthy rich that is and they will only be cheap in comparison to your very large bank account.

It's really a pity though that the Phil is not a better place for foreigners to live. I guess one reason is they don't want foreigners usurping their country. It's not much but it's theirs.

I am speculating that maybe the reason you miss the place is that you remember the cheap poon and forget all the other crap that comes with it?

[TurdyCurdyOne]

I am not suggesting the "market basket" of Filipino goods are more expensive than the "market basket" of American, Australian or European goods. I can cite example after example of buying in the Philippines is cheaper than other countries. Take cigarettes, they are about 40 peso a pack (about $1 U.S.), but Marlboro Lights here are made with crap tobacco that has you coughing a lung out. What I am suggesting is that people talk about costs here, without a consideration of the quality they receive. See these forums talk about apartments for 4,000 peso or 8,000 peso per month (that is about $100 to $200 per month), but I won't live in them. My apartment costs $30,000 peso per month. That is about $700 per month. For that I get air conditioning, hot water, a semi modern kitchen and bathrooms, with swimming pool. Yes, cheaper than many countries, but its not $100 per month. You want to buy your fish for dinner in the open market, with the flies and bugs crawling all over them or are you going to buy in a store with some sort of hygene. I can buy cheap Filipino goods (actually most manufactured product is cheap Chinese goods), but the quality and repair is a major factor. My point is that one has to do some analysis of the lifestyle they expect and the true cost to get it here. Can't just look at the price of beer and P..sy.

I don't know about marriage visa. THANK GOD!!!! I just know guys who have gotten stiched up by their ex when she had their visa revoked. Its extortion, you pay the money I want, or I have your visa revoked. To me nothing is permanent if the wife can pull you up by the short hairs. Not even getting into your being evicted from the family home, her keeping all of your furniture and assets, filing false charges against you for physical abuse. Recommend you don't get married. Get married so you can get a visa to the Philippines, laughable.

There was some sound advice about investment strategies and returns. Think it was a general statement, so allow me to add the Philippine caveat. There is no return on investment in the Philippines, large or small. Anyone here that is trying to sell you something on a return basis, be aware you will lose money. Don't look at those few foreigners who make money here, there is a whole lot of connections, relationships and background stuff that none of you will have. Further, when the guy who claims to have all these connections, relationships and background stuff is going to "let you in" on his wonderful investment....run fast, as the only return will be made by him. You will lose...period. So many will not take this to heart, because they are smarter than the other guy. People here do make a good living off the "smarter" guy.

Now all this sounds negative, don't really mean it that way. I am happy here, have a good life and have no desire to leave. It is though a minefield, and we can speak of how beautiful the grass is, or how to avoid being blown up. You cannot retire here with $20,000 of savings, unless you have only 12 months to live. If you are a young guy, make your living in a developed country, then retire here, you will not make your fortune here. For most, this is a tourist destination, the flowers are in full bloom (if you know what I mean), come here, enjoy and then go home to your life.

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by getting "stiched up" by some filipina you're married to? I don't know maybe your referring to the case where the filipina claims ur abusing her or breaking some phil law? That might be grounds for revocation. But simply revoking based on her say so? Seems hard to fanthom even by Phil standards. Sure if you marry a lying , unscrupulous little c*nt, but that's your bad judgement coming back at you, no?

[Matius]

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by getting "stiched up" by some filipina you're married to? I don't know maybe your referring to the case where the filipina claims ur abusing her or breaking some phil law? That might be grounds for revocation. But simply revoking based on her say so? Seems hard to fanthom even by Phil standards. Sure if you marry a lying , unscrupulous little c*nt, but that's your bad judgement coming back at you, no?

I understand this may seem unreal, but let's start with this premise. The Philippines is the only country in my experience, that actually writes into law, different violations and penalties for foreigners versus citizens. Check out the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws for the Philippines. Similar laws in regards to women.

Now the reality, as a foreigner in the Philippines, you have no rights. The police and judicial system is totally corrupt. When it comes down to you versus a Filipino/a, you lose. Let's assume you get shot, nothing more than an innocent victim, but you are not dead. You will find even if they catch the person, he will probably get off by paying a small fee to you, or will do very light jail time. I assume he has some sort of basic connections. This is a real life situation, not a hypothetical.

Forget the laws also. My experience has been, whenever we are speaking of ex-wives, women scorned, or husbands that have been unfaithful, break up a relationship..most if not all become c.nts. If it comes between them going back and living in the squatters huts and your keeping your assets, or them extorting you to maintain their lifestyle, guarantee what will happen.

Let's assume you did nothing. Let's assume you caught her cheating on you with her Filipino trike driver boyfriend. You want to break up, but there is no law allowing divorce. So you have to try to get an annullment, which can take years. She comes after you with an abuse charge, maybe groundless, maybe you have evidence to support your position, but with the charge comes jail. You can bail, but the police want 300,000 peso to let you out (they can make up any amount they want). You say that is too much, so you sit in jail, in a cell designed for eight they have 35 people, can't even sit. Ok you get through that. The legal system can take years, there is no fast track (again unless you have a lot of money and connections). Example: if the prosecution fails to come to court three consecutive times, then the case is dismissed. But if the prosecution comes on the third time, and asks for a continuance (which will always be granted against a foreigner), they have two more times they can miss. Repeat the third appearance and request for continuance, over and over again. This alone can go on forever. It takes at least a month for each appearance, if you fail to show you lose, so you are paying lawyers and associated costs forever. If you've not made bail, then god help you. Another real life experience.

Assume you get your annullment, your visa is tied to your being married. But see you aren't married anymore, by definition an annullment means you never were married, so you have no right to a visa. Another real life experience.

And here is an even funnier quirk. If you have charges filed against you in the Philippines, you can't leave the Philippines until the charges are resolved. So you don't have a visa to live in the Philppines, but you can't leave. Immigration picks you up every six months for being illegal, extorts money from you, then lets you go for another six months. Or the bail is revoked on the charges, because you violated it by being illegal, so back in jail on that occurance. Of course by law you can fight this injustice, but you are in jail..remember the living conditions. Another real life experience.

My advice is to not get married if you plan to live here in the Philippines. Marry the girl in your home country and live there, you at least got a rule of law, I would guess. Again, marry to get a visa, not a smart idea.

For most living here, they avoid getting tangled up in the police or legal system. Outside of a couple hundred peso when pulled over by the traffic police. They are not hauling every foreigner into the jail, or revoking his visa, but if you give someone a reason to come after you, then these things can and do happen on a very regular basis. As a general rule, money will be the motivation, either the police, judicial system or your woman.

Finally the same can be said for putting any type of property or business in the name of your woman or your woman's family. Consider it a gift, because you will only be allowed to use it as long as your relationship is maintained. After that, it is hers. And a final real life experience.

So many get stiched up here, in business, in assets, in love, in mongering, as stated earlier because they are smarter than the other guy. It won't happen to them. I don't know any guy who willingly goes out and marry's a lying, stealing, c.nt. Neither one who invests huge sums of money on the belief they will lose all. There are ways to do many things here, but most will not know how to do them, they will not have the connections, neither will they have the capital reserves to protect themselves.

[Econo Tech]

I understand this may seem unreal, but let's start with this premise. The Philippines is the only country in my experience, that actually writes into law, different violations and penalties for foreigners versus citizens. Check out the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws for the Philippines. Similar laws in regards to women.And nowadays everything gets stitched into [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) including Employment Agents who didn't pay the right amount to the immigration authorities.


Now the reality, as a foreigner in the Philippines, you have no rights. The police and judicial system is totally corrupt. When it comes down to you versus a Filipino/a, you lose. Let's assume you get shot, nothing more than an innocent victim, but you are not dead. You will find even if they catch the person, he will probably get off by paying a small fee to you, or will do very light jail time. I assume he has some sort of basic connections. This is a real life situation, not a hypothetical.Not going to say nothing. You are 100%. Make it 1000% correct.

[Econo Tech]

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by getting "stiched up" by some filipina you're married to? I don't know maybe your referring to the case where the filipina claims ur abusing her or breaking some phil law? That might be grounds for revocation. But simply revoking based on her say so? Seems hard to fanthom even by Phil standards. Sure if you marry a lying , unscrupulous little c*nt, but that's your bad judgement coming back at you, no?Mate,

You don't need to follow up with a court case etc. etc. (which only happens in Western / Developed countries .. ) - an accusing finger is all it is needed.

Maybe you choose to associate such mess wiht lying/unscrupulous little c**ts .. but the reality is far far away .. I know a guy, Filipino, who is an engineer, and married to an engineer, and the wife one day decided she needed a break and she filed a case of physical abuse and before even the due process took place, the guy was arrested upon his return from Malaysia, and placed into custody .. Not gonna get into details, the couple - who are my friends, are educated / intelligent and not the type fucking around and loyal as hell to each other.

And one more - a Brit Friend, of mine, married to a Civil Engineer - the wife suspected the husband of having another wife in China - where he spends atleast every other week due to his ongoing projects - and the wife too has been in China but preferred to do her existing consultancy in Makati - so the wife filed a case of "breach of trust" (God Bless me if I figure out how it turned out as breach of trust) and the guy was declared PNG - and he lost all he had bought, and more.

Be careful - very careful.

[GregLondon]

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But as you stated, if you want the comforts of home you're not going to find that with the cheap and willing young girls. Pick one, you won't get both, unless your filthy rich that is and they will only be cheap in comparison to your very large bank account.

It's really a pity though that the Phil is not a better place for foreigners to live. I guess one reason is they don't want foreigners usurping their country. It's not much but it's theirs.
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Some very sobering thoughts from Matius. I agree that marrying a Filipina if you are planning to live in the Phils is a high risk strategy. As to TCO's question, I think the key thing to understand is that the Phils is that for the small number of very wealthy , well connected clans, who effectively control the country, excluding foreigners from the party makes huge sense. Then you get to own anything worth owning. For the vast majority of Filipinos it's not good news as it stifles economic activity and with that decent paid jobs etc.

[Fast Buck Artist]

I think the key thing to understand is that the Phils is that for the small number of very wealthy , well connected clans, who effectively control the country, excluding foreigners from the party makes huge sense. Then you get to own anything worth owning. For the vast majority of Filipinos it's not good news as it stifles economic activity and with that decent paid jobs etc.

Philippines is basically a feudal serfdom with about 100 families of landlords owning 90% of the assets in the country, and using church and army to keep it that way.. parlament is 100% owned by the said landlords and its job is to pass laws preventing anybody, either local peasant or foreigner, from upsetting the status quo.

The sad shmucks would rather be lords of the sewer than equal men in a prosperous country.. this shit makes you realise why the french invented the guillotine 300 years ago.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Mate,

You don't need to follow up with a court case etc. etc. (which only happens in Western / Developed countries .. ) - an accusing finger is all it is needed.

Maybe you choose to associate such mess wiht lying/unscrupulous little c**ts .. but the reality is far far away .. I know a guy, Filipino, who is an engineer, and married to an engineer, and the wife one day decided she needed a break and she filed a case of physical abuse and before even the due process took place, the guy was arrested upon his return from Malaysia, and placed into custody .. Not gonna get into details, the couple - who are my friends, are educated / intelligent and not the type fucking around and loyal as hell to each other.

And one more - a Brit Friend, of mine, married to a Civil Engineer - the wife suspected the husband of having another wife in China - where he spends atleast every other week due to his ongoing projects - and the wife too has been in China but preferred to do her existing consultancy in Makati - so the wife filed a case of "breach of trust" (God Bless me if I figure out how it turned out as breach of trust) and the guy was declared PNG - and he lost all he had bought, and more.

Be careful - very careful.

Thanks for your assessment.
It is depressing that I may not be able to make the Phil work for me as a retirement destination. This thread only confirms my pessimissim about the Country. Every one has been quite negative about the status of foreigners in the Philippines, but none have offered specific ideas on how to counteract this, other than to come, spread your seed and leave, lieing low and only engaging in tourist type activites.

In reading about the Phil, it seems that their whole culture is based mostly on kissing up to the right people, with the understanding that one hand is obligated to wash the other and that family comes first. This family part is a little hard to believe considering how many broken families there are there. The whole system kind of smells to high heaven, no real values, its only who you know and how much money you have. The women there often are proclaiming their religious virtuosity, but I have found the ones that advertise the most usually offer the least (BTW, what the hell does "god-fearing" actually mean in practical terms?)

Also, the question naturally arises: Is this uneven playing field for foreigners equally true in other 3rd world sh*tholes, as in Central and S. America, Thailand, Cambodia, etc? For those of you who have lived for any length of time in these countries, it would be interesting to hear your comparisons to the Phil in terms of the unjust and disadvantageous environment for foreigners. While this thread is not directly about finding poon in the R.P. I think it is very important to understand how their system works in order to be successful in mongering activities also.

In my case, have been all over Mexico and have had no problems as a tourist, but I wonder how many I would have as a permanent resident. The Mexican authorities have mostly impressed me as being respectful of Americans, but I wonder if this would change as a resident. This, of course, is talking about Mexico PRIOR to the drug war. Since the drug wars I have not set foot in Mexico and would only consider flying to some of the southern towns that do not have alot of drug conflicts.

Maybe this is the reason people want to come to the USA. One of the few countries where by law they are mostly treated equally, although this too is changing.

[GoodEnough]

While I agree with most of the assessments of the total absurdity of this country, and while the horror stories about foreigners being handily severed from their possessions are true, the place can serve as an excellent retirement destination. Retiring here allows most of us to live a far better lifestyle than would have been possible in our own countries, and it's really not very difficult to avoid the major pitfalls by adhering to a few simple rules:

1. Don't buy real property, not a condo, not a house in someone else's name, under any circumstances no matter how sweet the deal. That is of course, unless you can afford to walk away from it all with no fincanial recompense. Rentals are reasonable and you can easily find appropriate accommodations.

2. Don't go into business no matter how lucrative, how "can't miss," or how much of "sure thing" it appears.

3. Keep your money in your own country-- the States, Canada, somewhere in Europe, Australia or wherever. You can access it easily through ATMs and the Internet so no need to keep any assets here.

4. Establish some reasonably close relationships with other expats living in your area, particularly those who have lived there for a few years and who can steer you away from precarious situations.

5. During the first year or two, avoid relationships with locals who claim to be "connected," or who can allegedly "help" you cause they're your friends. Check these guys out with expats who have been here a while.

6. Fly under the radar. That is, don't call attention to yourself, get into
fractious altercations with the locals, insult people, or otherwise act like a belligerent foreigner.

7. Be respectful to the women you meet, be they casual playmates or friends of longer duration, and be honest with them. Do not give them cause to feel used, abused or offended. Do not humiliate them, especially in public.

8. Buy a car and use it in lieu of local transport and/or taxis, thereby avoiding making yourself a target.

9. Do not let the corruption, inefficiency and greed get to you. This is not your country and you're here to enjoy a reasonable life, and not to reform society.



Simple rules, and easy to follow. Life here can be excellent.

[Red Kilt]

...................... This thread only confirms my pessimissim about the Country. Every one has been quite negative about the status of foreigners in the Philippines, but none have offered specific ideas on how to counteract this, other than to come, spread your seed and leave, lieing low and only engaging in tourist type activites.

...........................

I guess I should add a smidgen of input to what has already been posted.

I came here in 1997 for a 3-month assignment that expanded into 3 years and now, almost 14 years later, I am still here.
I bought my own condo in 2006 because I realised that I could have bought at least 2 additional condos with what I had spent over 9 years on very expensive rent. I am living and working here on a foreign salary. My work takes me out of the country to other parts of SE Asia around 3 times each year.
My wife and I co-own the condo. I have excellent legal advice in all matters. I keep a greater proportion of my salary in an Australian bank account only because I am nervous about banks based here, although my bank, HSBC, is probably less risky than others.
I have an excellent lifestyle; good central condo, walking distance to 4 big malls in Ortigas; my office is both in my condo or 10 mins walk away depending where I need to be.
Restaurants are excellent; I can get to Makati easily to meet any expat mates, and I can fly off to Singapore, HK, Thailand at short notice and be there in a few hours.
Over 14 years I agree that I ride an emotional roller-coaster, sometimes daily, but, overall, I am glad I decided to settle here and I plan to stay.

If I was here ONLY for bars and cheap girls / beer/ food I would have gone crazy many years ago. If you settle here you MUST have a major interest to occupy your mind. In my case it is work, but I plan to split this between golf and work in the near future.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Every one has been quite negative about the status of foreigners in the Philippines, but none have offered specific ideas on how to counteract this, other than to come, spread your seed and leave, lieing low and only engaging in tourist type activites.

My advice is simple.. Do Not Own Any Assets in the Philippines. The only asset I have here is a used car. I rent both my house and my office space. Keep your capital in countries that respect property rights.. Switzerland or Singapore.

If you do have assets in the Philippines, you need powerful friends, and they are only your friends as long as you pay them (generously!).

[Matius]

thanks for your assessment.
it is depressing that i may not be able to make the phil work for me as a retirement destination. this thread only confirms my pessimissim about the country. every one has been quite negative about the status of foreigners in the philippines, but none have offered specific ideas on how to counteract this, other than to come, spread your seed and leave, lieing low and only engaging in tourist type activites. .....

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sometimes we have to stress the implications of false thinking, because so many fail to heed advice that is often repeated. the advice is not to dissuade you from retiring in the philippines, rather to help you avoid some of the traps some fall into.

corruption works both ways. get caught speeding in australia more than a couple of times, you can lose your license for a significant period of time, and you may have only been going a few k over the speed limit. here, a few hundred peso and no ticket, no record, no loss of points.

no meaningful tax assesors here, a few peso to the agent, no tax. anything can be bought here with the right incentive money.

once you get through the frustration of filipino workers, one can build a house here for signficantly less money than in most home countries.

there are a great number of expats living here. most have no problem and most have learned how to work within the system. its not that hard, you get other expat friends and they help you.

the best way to do it, is if you are retiring, spend some months here and get to know some other locals, before making a final decision. if i was part of making it sound like your life would be under siege from the moment of landing it was not intended.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Here, a few hundred peso and no ticket, no record, no loss of points.

No meaningful tax assesors here, a few peso to the agent, no tax. Anything can be bought here with the right incentive money.


The consequence of these "benefits" are potholed shitty roads with unrestrained cretins driving on them.. Yehey!!

[Gangles]

TCO, I think that your negative comments about living in the Phils has drawn some more reasoned comments.

Living here has risks.

As long as you accept those risks, life is Good. I have a number of friends who live very wel in the Phils, a bit like Red-Kilt.

From my perspective the issue is one of risk.

Most of the guys here live in advanced western countries, where the nanny state has been on the rise for most of our lives. Here in Australia, government intrudes into almost every aspect of my life.

In return, the state protects me from everything, I have safety nets for aged pension, unemployment, consumer protection, price surveillance etc etc. I am protected even against myself.

But for me, it is totally claustrophobic, and there is no freedom any more.

Whereas the Philippines has a lot more freedom, but comensurately less protection. So you need to become more observant and more resourceful.

I plan to move to the Phils purely for the freedom that it offers.

maybe I will crash and burn, but I am prepared to take the risk.

G

[Fast Buck Artist]

I plan to move to the Phils purely for the freedom that it offers.


Mate, I am a libertarian at heart, but please enlighten me what freedom does the Republic of Philippines offers you that you dont have back in Oz?

I can list a lot of freedoms that you will be GIVING UP the moment you land in NAIA airport... the list is long but I'll just list a few most important ones

- Freedom of pleasant and fast transportation
- Freedom to breathe clean air
- Freedom to own property

in return you gain the freedom to be able to shove peso bills into the hands of corrupt law enforcers, something you cant do in Oz.. Yehey!!

[Gangles]

if i want to ride my bike down town, i do not have the right to make an adult decision as to whether i wear a helmet or not - i must wear one.

the tax office monitors every transaction through my bank accounts.

when i meet up with my mates on friday evening for a few beers, they are so in fear of being arrested for driving over the limit of 0.05 that they pay $30 cab fare to get to the pub, and home. so $10 worth of beers cost them $70.

twerrified at exceeding the speed limits - new speed cameras are hidden along the road.

at 3am, when ther is not another vehicle in tow, stop at a red light and wait for it to change, in fear of red light cameras. no common sense applicable.

police everywhere. i live in a police state.

i am constrained by so many laws that life is like being in a cage. in 2003, teh combined governments of australia passed 30,000 pages of legislation. very little of that said what i can do, almost all said what i cabn not do.

my local government monitors my water consumption in case i water my lawns. monitor the sewers fro what i put down the drain.

i wanted to build some town houses as an investment. 38 pages of regulations telling me what i had to do. i pay for sewerage, water supply, parking and garbage collection for a block of land that i own in town.

utter madness.

there are laws prohibiting me from talking in public about the moslem problem i australia, anti vilification laws, teh populace are no longer free to talk about the main issues that concern them because there are laws which prohibit this.

and you call this living in a free country?

if i want to get my passport application processed in a hurry, i pay an extra fee. if i do the same in the philippines, it is called corruption.

insanity.

g

[Fast Buck Artist]

if i want to ride my bike down town, i do not have the right to make an adult decision as to whether i wear a helmet or not - i must wear one.


ok my friend :) welcome to the philippines, where you have all the freedoms you lack in the police state of australia :

- feel free to bike helmet-less, like the darwin award candidate who splattered his brains over a trucks hull last sunday in laguna stopping traffic for a freaking hour

- taxes will not be in issue here since you won't have any local profits to tax :)

- feel free to drive pissed drunk, at an average speed of 20 km/h, speeding will not be an issue in the permanent round the clock traffic jam ;) ignore the red lights too, just like the jeepney driving fella without license who will be slamming your car from the right.. freedom!! aint it great?

- water restrictions will not be a problem.. but you'll miss australian lamb and fresh milk

- speaking of the muslim problem, enjoy your freedom to stand in a queue to every shop and venue while the security guards check your bags for bombs

- you cannot own land in phils and will not be building any townhouses as an investment so thats one less headache for you as well :)

[TurdyCurdyOne]

if i want to ride my bike down town, i do not have the right to make an adult decision as to whether i wear a helmet or not - i must wear one.

the tax office monitors every transaction through my bank accounts.

when i meet up with my mates on friday evening for a few beers, they are so in fear of being arrested for driving over the limit of 0.05 that they pay $30 cab fare to get to the pub, and home. so $10 worth of beers cost them $70.

twerrified at exceeding the speed limits - new speed cameras are hidden along the road.

at 3am, when ther is not another vehicle in tow, stop at a red light and wait for it to change, in fear of red light cameras. no common sense applicable.

police everywhere. i live in a police state.

i am constrained by so many laws that life is like being in a cage. in 2003, teh combined governments of australia passed 30,000 pages of legislation. very little of that said what i can do, almost all said what i cabn not do.

my local government monitors my water consumption in case i water my lawns. monitor the sewers fro what i put down the drain.

i wanted to build some town houses as an investment. 38 pages of regulations telling me what i had to do. i pay for sewerage, water supply, parking and garbage collection for a block of land that i own in town.

utter madness.

there are laws prohibiting me from talking in public about the moslem problem i australia, anti vilification laws, teh populace are no longer free to talk about the main issues that concern them because there are laws which prohibit this.

and you call this living in a free country?

if i want to get my passport application processed in a hurry, i pay an extra fee. if i do the same in the philippines, it is called corruption.

insanity.

g


i think aust. also has some facist like internet laws, don't they?

here in the usa we are now being fondled over our entire bodies by uneducated low class cretins who work for the tsa anytime we want to fly.
although this may be true also in other countries, it is probably more true in the u.s.

there are all kinds of money transfer laws now that make it more difficult to send money abroad.

we have freedom of speech supposedly but don't use the word n**gger anywhere and you will see exactly how far that so-called freedom of speech goes.

the near impossible trick is to find a country that has the freedoms of 3rd world countries without the other bad stuff-pollution, noise, corrupt officials (they are free to do as they please?), bad medical, crime. i keep thinking costa rica, but have never been there so can't say.

that mayor in davao might have one solution: hit squads to take out criminals. freedom without alot of cops and oppressive laws. but all you smokers won't like davao's no smoking law.

i think true freedom can only come if you are in charge of the dominant military force in a country and then only if you have nukes. those that have the guns make the rules.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

While I agree with most of the assessments of the total absurdity of this country, and while the horror stories about foreigners being handily severed from their possessions are true, the place can serve as an excellent retirement destination. Retiring here allows most of us to live a far better lifestyle than would have been possible in our own countries, and it's really not very difficult to avoid the major pitfalls by adhering to a few simple rules:

1. Don't buy real property, not a condo, not a house in someone else's name, under any circumstances no matter how sweet the deal. That is of course, unless you can afford to walk away from it all with no fincanial recompense. Rentals are reasonable and you can easily find appropriate accommodations.

**Rent for western level accomd. in the Phil is HIGH and not that much less than the USA. Apartments same as mine, furnished, in major cities are only about 20-30% less than the U.S. City I am currently in. You can own a condo I believe, but not the land underneath it.

2. Don't go into business no matter how lucrative, how "can't miss," or how much of "sure thing" it appears.

**There ARE ways of going into business, the key is to keep control of the assets at all times and be able to hold possession of those assets at all times I THINK (others may wish to agree or disagree).


3. Keep your money in your own country-- the States, Canada, somewhere in Europe, Australia or wherever. You can access it easily through ATMs and the Internet so no need to keep any assets here.

**Yeah that's ok, except if you have any financial problems in the USA, then whattya gonna do about that if your in the Phil? One other poster suggested Singapore or Switz. Switz is no longer secure from tax problems or even drug money. Don't know about Singapore, Uruguay is still safe I believe.
But again, if your money is in a foreign country you have less immediate access to it. Frankly, I don't trust banks period, especially since the last financial collapse in the USA which is rapidly coming to West. Europe some experts are saying.

4. Establish some reasonably close relationships with other expats living in your area, particularly those who have lived there for a few years and who can steer you away from precarious situations.

**No offense to anyone in particular, but I have frequently read that ex-pats are not uncommonly the worst scammers there.

5. During the first year or two, avoid relationships with locals who claim to be "connected," or who can allegedly "help" you cause they're your friends. Check these guys out with expats who have been here a while.

**Yeah this part I mostly agree with. Choose your "friends" with great circumspection.

6. Fly under the radar. That is, don't call attention to yourself, get into
fractious altercations with the locals, insult people, or otherwise act like a belligerent foreigner.

**Yes, correct. Filipinos hate losing face and won't forget it if your the cause.

7. Be respectful to the women you meet, be they casual playmates or friends of longer duration, and be honest with them. Do not give them cause to feel used, abused or offended. Do not humiliate them, especially in public.

**I think this is especially important for mongerers there who tend to get carried away at times.


8. Buy a car and use it in lieu of local transport and/or taxis, thereby avoiding making yourself a target.

**so you can be the target of crooked cops, jeepney drivers with their head in their butts,etc?

9. Do not let the corruption, inefficiency and greed get to you. This is not your country and you're here to enjoy a reasonable life, and not to reform society.

**Actually I think corruption might be the only way to make decent money there, but it's like walking on a tightrope on a windy day.


Simple rules, and easy to follow. Life here can be excellent.

**Not sure about "excellent" unless your rich and can insulate yourself, but then you could live just about anywheres. Tolerable maybe, but I doubt excellent.

[Questor55]

Some very sobering thoughts from Matius. I agree that marrying a Filipina if you are planning to live in the Phils is a high risk strategy. As to TCO's question, I think the key thing to understand is that the Phils is that for the small number of very wealthy , well connected clans, who effectively control the country, excluding foreigners from the party makes huge sense. Then you get to own anything worth owning. For the vast majority of Filipinos it's not good news as it stifles economic activity and with that decent paid jobs etc.Yes, sobering thoughts from both M. And GL. Something to consider; perhaps 'the dumb shits' who run this country, are actually, 'not so dumb shits'. The Spanish introduced an effective 16th century feudal system to this country. One based on exploitation, absolute power, inequality, ineffective judiciary, police state oppression, and control of everything in the hands of a de facto oligarchy.

Perhaps, most importantly, they brought a highly centralized religion, that fit hand in glove with the rulers. Best of all, a religion that was structured to forgive any and all transgressions and atrocities, not once, but ad infinitum, as long as it was on behalf of the power elite.

Effective? You bet. It's almost 5 centuries later and it's still working very effectively for the elite. So, indeed, why change? The Philippines may become the poorest nation in Asia, (already, it's in a close race to the bottom). However, perhaps they will prove to be the longest lasting and most successful Feudal System in the World! So, yes, foreigners and their modern values are a danger. Consequently we will continue to be kept on short leashes.

[GoodEnough]

**Not sure about "excellent" unless your rich and can insulate yourself, but then you could live just about anywheres. Tolerable maybe, but I doubt excellent.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I guess excellence is in the mind of the beholder and we all have different definitions. For those who want to live in relative material comfort, spend days screwing an endless stream of nubile young women, enjoy golf and/or beach-type sports, this place can be ideal. For people like me, who love large, sophisticated cities, great restaurants, shows and concerts, it's somewhat less than ideal but still tolerable. Of course, I'm still working on the part about remaining impervious to the greed, corruption and inefficiency.

GE

[Gangles]

While putting the blame on Spain, let us not forget that after the Spanish left, Phils was an American colony for long enough for teh administration to incarcerate all of teh nasty upper class who we now blame for the country's ills.

But did they?

No.

Same deal.

So maybe more appropriate to put the blame on America.

G

[Matius]

For people like me, who love large, sophisticated cities, great restaurants, shows and concerts, it's somewhat less than ideal but still tolerable.

GE

ha ha.

Sophisticated Cities---Manila

Great Restaurants--Jolliebe

Shows--Pac Man fighting

Concerts--Filipino Videoke Bars.

[Philosophery]

At the end of the day, if you have enough jobs for the people, you have a wealthy society. The problem in the Philippines is not the wealthy; its the lack of jobs for everyone. If the unemployment rate was 5% vs. 45%; the Philippines would be one of the Asian Tigers today.

I lived in the Phils about 40 years ago when the country was the wealthiest country in Asia (my maid came from this sh**hole city called Hong Kong).

At that time, the wealthy Chinese were investing heavily in the Philippines due to its stable government, its vast natural resources and the preponderance of good cheap Filipino labor. It was the China formula from today applied in the 50's.

Then Marcos came into power and wanted to "Philipinize" the country's wealth. Well, the Chinese investors fled the country for "less desirable places" like Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. and the rest is history!! Marcos's cronies couldn't run the plants and invest more to build-up the economy and the unemployment rate went from the high teens to over 40% today.

THAT is what has ruined the Philippines; poorly run governments who don't understand economic policies trying to slice the small loaf of bread among themselves. In China, you have a communist dictatorship that is less corrupt whose aim is to grow a bigger and bigger loaf of bread every month. That way, the rich get richer; the poor get to become the middle class and the desolate become poor. And investments (internal and external) keep pouring in to further build factories, create jobs and wealth.

[Sammon]

At the end of the day, if you have enough jobs for the people, you have a wealthy society. The problem in the Philippines is not the wealthy; its the lack of jobs for everyone. If the unemployment rate was 5% vs. 45%; the Philippines would be one of the Asian Tigers today.

I lived in the Phils about 40 years ago when the country was the wealthiest country in Asia (my maid came from this sh**hole city called Hong Kong).

At that time, the wealthy Chinese were investing heavily in the Philippines due to its stable government, its vast natural resources and the preponderance of good cheap Filipino labor. It was the China formula from today applied in the 50's.

Then Marcos came into power and wanted to "Philipinize" the country's wealth. Well, the Chinese investors fled the country for "less desirable places" like Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. and the rest is history!! Marcos's cronies couldn't run the plants and invest more to build-up the economy and the unemployment rate went from the high teens to over 40% today.

THAT is what has ruined the Philippines; poorly run governments who don't understand economic policies trying to slice the small loaf of bread among themselves. In China, you have a communist dictatorship that is less corrupt whose aim is to grow a bigger and bigger loaf of bread every month. That way, the rich get richer; the poor get to become the middle class and the desolate become poor. And investments (internal and external) keep pouring in to further build factories, create jobs and wealth.
I believe it is the population explosion. Yet to meet a girl who has one or two siblings. Most families have 8-10 kids or more. It was the same with China before-too many people. After Deng xiapong opened China to the world it is not the Chinese who developed China initially. It is the foreign companies looking for cheap labor most notably German and Japanese. Chinese government provided support with lost cost subsidized electricity, fuel etc. The conditions for the workers were horrible at best. It was clearly overlooked to provide cheap goods to the world. Once the initial money was made China with its authoritarian government manager very well resources vs expertise to provide goods and services. Unemployment or rather under employment is rampant in China. Chinese government is corrupt also but only the high officials and Chinese military.
Corruption is everywhere in Phi. It is part of life in most developing countries.
Phi system did not force workers to work hard. The workers are the laziest I have seen. Yes, Marcos wanted him and his cronies to enjoy life with American help I might add. He withheld the economic progress of the country.
Phi has so much natural beauty. Why it has not become no.1 destination for tourists in the region is beyond me.

[Gangles]

In any country, state, or community, there are three primare drivers of poverty.

The first in endemic corruption. partly because it sucks money out of the system, but also because it distorts the decision making process, particularly the letting of contracts.

The second is unstable government; that is, a government that cannot be relied upon to keep its word regarding policy or decisions. The construction of terminal 3 at the airport is a classic example. No large corporation will ever invest again in the Philippines.

The third is an ineffective land title system; that is, when title is not clear, you cannot leverage land to create wealth.

If any one exists in a community, state or country, then there will be poveerty.

The remote aboriginal communities in Australia are a veery good example.

All three exist in the Philippines. So, until all three are corrected, the country will remain in poverty. Not a good prospect for the peoople of the country.

G

[Gangles]

Having said the previous statements, it is also necessary for the people themselves to be prepared to change.

For example, I have a gf who is relatively old, almost nil education, but she has never been out of work. Because she has the right attitude towards work

For about a year, I have been talking with a rice farmer, the father of a gf. He is honest, straight, never asks for anything, hospitable.

I have been suggesting to him that he think about changing his farming practices, not in a big way. The average yield for rice farmers across Asia, using conventional practices, is about 1.5 tonnes per hectare. With simple changes, this can readily be increased to about 6 tonnes per ha.

(an average rice farmer in Australia, using a lot less water, gets about 10 tonnes per ha)

I have spoken with filipino businessmen who have bought rice farms as a business, who regularly get yields of 8 tonnes per ha.

But my friend does not want to change. I have said that I will provide the money that is needed to make the changes, and I will fund him for two growing cyces. But he still will not change. He can not see that this will lift him out of a subsistence farming environment, into one where there is plenty of money to further improve the property, and to diversify his business.

So, he will not be able to lift himself out of the near poveerty situation.

And this mindset is common.

So the fault is not completely that of the government.

Except that the government refuses to invest in local agricultural research, nor in providing extension services.

So, the poverty trap remains.

There is plenty of land in teh Philippines to be completely self sufficient in rice, but the government will not make the initial investment.

Depressing.

G

[Red Kilt]

...............

For about a year, I have been talking with a rice farmer, the father of a gf. He is honest, straight, never asks for anything, hospitable.

I have been suggesting to him that he think about changing his farming practices, not in a big way. The average yield for rice farmers across Asia, using conventional practices, is about 1.5 tonnes per hectare. With simple changes, this can readily be increased to about 6 tonnes per ha.

(an average rice farmer in Australia, using a lot less water, gets about 10 tonnes per ha)

I have spoken with filipino businessmen who have bought rice farms as a business, who regularly get yields of 8 tonnes per ha.

But my friend does not want to change. I have said that I will provide the money that is needed to make the changes, and I will fund him for two growing cyces. But he still will not change. He can not see that this will lift him out of a subsistence farming environment, into one where there is plenty of money to further improve the property, and to diversify his business.

So, he will not be able to lift himself out of the near poveerty situation.

And this mindset is common...............

Gangles.

I have had EXACTLY the same situation for TWELVE years with a similar farmer. I know he can double his output of rice in one season, and he has a lot of fields too.
Smart guy. Wonderful temperament. Barangay kapitan. But he will NOT change, even though I have also promised to fund the alternative approach so if it fails he doesn't lose. I suggested he use just ONE field to trial it. Nope.
It is so exasperating, but I now realize it is a mind-set that I cannot change.
BTW, this guy is my father-in-law.

[Danibbler]

Maybe those "simple" changes are not as simple to him as they are to you? Are you suggesting more fertilizer, more mechanization, more what? The average Filipino rice farmer already harvests more per acre/hectare than a Thai rice farmer; think the former is up to almost 4 tonnes now.

Some people may be suspicious of "non-family" offering to help them out, who knows if the no-strings offer is really no-strings? Maybe they don't want to fail in front of neighbors? Maybe they realize that even if they double their output they can't transport the stuff to market or maybe their buyers won't or can't buy more? Maybe they're in a "relationship" where they've "agreed" to buy their seed and fertilizer from the local honcho. Who knows?

[Fast Buck Artist]

Here is one for you elderly gents looking for a good challenge :)

http://www.dateinasia.com/wintersonata.html

I want to meet a Male
with age from 18 to 35
and I want to meet for Friendship, Romance, Marriage or Other.

anyone with a good soul, honest, sincere, one woman man, thoughtful.
NO TO 'DOM' not in the sense that he is untidy but in the sense of flirting to a young girl like me. WAKE UP OLD MEN YOU BETTER LOOK FOR AN OLDER WOMAN IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I WANT TO VOMIT SEEING OLD MEN WITH YOUNGER GIRLS. SO KADIRI

[Sammon]

Here is one for you elderly gents looking for a good challenge :)

http://www.dateinasia.com/wintersonata.html

I want to meet a Male
with age from 18 to 35
and I want to meet for Friendship, Romance, Marriage or Other.

anyone with a good soul, honest, sincere, one woman man, thoughtful.
NO TO 'DOM' not in the sense that he is untidy but in the sense of flirting to a young girl like me. WAKE UP OLD MEN YOU BETTER LOOK FOR AN OLDER WOMAN IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I WANT TO VOMIT SEEING OLD MEN WITH YOUNGER GIRLS. SO KADIRI
Not many young girls will like old men. If they like at first it will definitely for financial support. After that Love is possible. Like anything else it is the attraction between male and female which determines the relationship.
This girl is 18 but has no problems with 35 year old. Maybe 40-45 also will be ok.
Most of the young girls in DIA talk and flirt but to get into their pants you need to offer committment or financial help. If the girl is poor she will do anything to get out of her poverty by any means possible including sex with a 70 year old man. But Reasonable employed and stable girls may not do unless they want a foregn BF to brag about.
One girl I met in DIA was 18 year old. Initially I told her I want to meet her in Cebu if she will stay with me. She refused saying I need to meet her parents and get permission. I did not meet her that trip. Later she begged me to meet her and promised to stay with me on my next trip. So I did. Did not offer financial help apart from some gifts.
So it is possible they change their mind after failing to get a foreign BF in their preferred age group.

[Gangles]

Danibbler,

I am not suggesting more fertilizer. In fact usually it is less. But the farmer never gets a soil sample analysed, so he does not know the best type of fertilizer, nor the best application rates. He knows that he needs fertilizer, so he usually applies too much. Wastes money, and kills the soil.

Nor would I suggest mechanisation. No point with only one, maybe 1.2 ha.

But you are partly right in that the "crabs in a bucket" syndrome is a pretty strong incentive for the farmer to conform with the rest of his community. This is why I really want him to act as a demo site, so that all of his community makes similar changes, so that they all get the same benefits.

G

[Jambo]

But you are partly right in that the "crabs in a bucket" syndrome
Farming is a funny racket. Look at Japan, they grow rice more of less by hand on small plots run by a family unit of 2-4 people. Mechanization? Sure, one of those Kubota walk-behind tractors. In theory that small plot could earn more $$ being turned into an apartment building or even a parking lot. However, the govt ensures heavy tariffs on "inferior" rice imported from more efficient places like Thailand and California. So its protectionism big time, and economies of waste.

OTOH, the farmer keeps his nice home and quaint life, and I suppose in the big picture, Japan as a nation maintains some capability to produce its own food, should it be necessary.

Have you seen those Fuji apples, individually wrapped in foam?

So maybe your local farmer is resisting because he wants to maintain his lifestyle. What you propose sounds like real work!

[GoodEnough]

I would add a fourth "poverty driver" to Gangles' excellent summary: inadequate investment in education, which is also the case here. The fact is that the public education system in the Philippines is one of the worst vie ever seen, and prepares it's students for nothing.

GE

[Irony Monger]

The fact is that the public education system in the Philippines is one of the worst vie ever seen, and prepares it's students for nothing.

GE

Not true...it certainly prepares its female students for Wicked Roger :-).

[JPF]

A question for you experts since I am new at trying to prearrange hookups before arriving in a country.

I joined tagged several months ago. As my trip to the PI approaches (late Jan.) I picked out the 7 best-looking of my "friends" (most are in or near Manila) and sent them a message. The message was pretty upfront, saying that I would be visiting soon and wanting to know if they wanted to "meet for some fun". In about a week I have received one "no" and not heard from the other 6.

Suggestions on how to get better results?

[Red Kilt]

Wait a minute, GE. How many other Asian countries teach English like the Philippines do?

I have worked with numerous Filipino educators who are very dedicated.

I think you are mixing up competence and dedication here D Cups.

I don't recall anybody, ever, suggesting Filipino educators weren't dedicated.

As for your question about "other countries teaching English", the simple answer is that every other country is now teaching English at a high intensity and they will pass the Phils very soon. Even Mongolia now has an emphasis on teaching English, with goals to be met each year. China is rapidly catching up in terms of English competence.
Since I came here in 1997, I have noticed a dramatic DROP in English competence in the education system. The ability of English teachers to use English fluently and correctly has deteriorated quite noticeably. Unless, as GE says, there is a huge increase in investment in both technical assistance and infrastructure, the Phils will continue to slip and within a few more years it will be barely ahead of Myanmar.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Since I came here in 1997, I have noticed a dramatic DROP in English competence in the education system. The ability of English teachers to use English fluently and correctly has deteriorated quite noticeably. Unless, as GE says, there is a huge increase in investment in both technical assistance and infrastructure, the Phils will continue to slip and within a few more years it will be barely ahead of Myanmar.

Japan has been intensively teaching english for 50 years, yet you can have a decent conversation with maybe 1 out of 10 japanese.. they do their homework in school but the moment exam bell rings, they go back to their japanese-speaking lives and forget everything... same goes for China.

Philippines on the other hand has a daily english speaking life thanks to the huge call center industry here as well as english teaching industry.. no country in asia will catch up to them in that area ever...

That been said... public school education here is really poor.. I have this miniball in the office with the map of the world on it.. sometimes I show it to a pinoy and ask to find Philippines on the globe.. half of them cant find it.

[Danibbler]

I joined tagged several months ago. As my trip to the PI approaches (late Jan.) I picked out the 7 best-looking of my "friends" (most are in or near Manila) and sent them a message. The message was pretty upfront, saying that I would be visiting soon and wanting to know if they wanted to "meet for some fun". In about a week I have received one "no" and not heard from the other 6.

Suggestions on how to get better results?Brutal. Time to get more friends.

[Danibbler]

That been said... public school education here is really poor.. I have this miniball in the office with the map of the world on it.. sometimes I show it to a pinoy and ask to find Philippines on the globe.. half of them cant find it.Wow, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it?

[Irony Monger]

Japan has been intensively teaching english for 50 years, yet you can have a decent conversation with maybe 1 out of 10 japanese.. they do their homework in school but the moment exam bell rings, they go back to their japanese-speaking lives and forget everything... same goes for China.

I concur. Most Japanese can read English to some degree, but unless they live in central Tokyo and work with foreigners regularly they can't speak more than a few pleasantries.

So as far as conversational English goes, PI ranks pretty high in my book.

[Tally Wacker]

Well I'm no expert but my approach has been successful for me. I dont use the "want to meet for fun" approach. I do the opposite and say Im going to Phil for Business and Im single and will have a couple days off and would love to take them to dinner. I get more responses that way from girls that are not looking to make a buck for sex but are open to meeting a forigner.

Once you meet them you dont even need to bring up the words that you would like to sleep with them it just seems to happen. Filipinas are very open with sex if they like you. I would tell them prior to meeting them that I will need to meet with my boss at some point. If I wanted to move on from the girl I would just say that I recieved an email from my boss and he will meet me at my room in the morning. Seemed to work fine and the filipina did not get upset and think I was going to meet another girl.


A question for you experts since I am new at trying to prearrange hookups before arriving in a country.

I joined tagged several months ago. As my trip to the PI approaches (late Jan.) I picked out the 7 best-looking of my "friends" (most are in or near Manila) and sent them a message. The message was pretty upfront, saying that I would be visiting soon and wanting to know if they wanted to "meet for some fun". In about a week I have received one "no" and not heard from the other 6.

Suggestions on how to get better results?

[Philosophery]

I believe it is the population explosion. Yet to meet a girl who has one or two siblings. Most families have 8-10 kids or more. It was the same with China before-too many people. After Deng xiapong opened China to the world it is not the Chinese who developed China initially. It is the foreign companies looking for cheap labor most notably German and Japanese. Chinese government provided support with lost cost subsidized electricity, fuel etc. The conditions for the workers were horrible at best. It was clearly overlooked to provide cheap goods to the world. Once the initial money was made China with its authoritarian government manager very well resources vs expertise to provide goods and services. Unemployment or rather under employment is rampant in China. Chinese government is corrupt also but only the high officials and Chinese military.
Corruption is everywhere in Phi. It is part of life in most developing countries.
Phi system did not force workers to work hard. The workers are the laziest I have seen. Yes, Marcos wanted him and his cronies to enjoy life with American help I might add. He withheld the economic progress of the country.
Phi has so much natural beauty. Why it has not become no.1 destination for tourists in the region is beyond me.

I have been visiting China for the past 21 years and I disagree with your assessment. The largest investor in China is the overseas Chinese from Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore. Those 3 groups have invested more in China than the US & all the European countries combined. Most Japanese investors in China (originally) were the Japanese with Chinese blood. These same investors are related to the ones who built-up the Tiger economies of Asia (Korea, Taiwan, Singapore). If you go to the Guangdong province manufacturing plants, most (65+%) of the owners have Chinese roots.

Yes there is corruption among the government officials in China (no more than most western countries BTW) but the biggest difference between China and the other 3rd world countries is the quality of their policy makers. The China policy makers today have been educated in the finest institutions in the world (Harvard, Stamford, London School of Business, McGill, Princeton) and it was part of Deng's strategy for westernizing China (following the Singaporean model). If you go to those Universities today (as I have), you will find young scholars on scholarship from the Chinese government. They are the policy makers of tomorrow. These young scholars have very good paying jobs waiting for them back in China with the government.

The Phils is a very beautiful country but the reason few tourists go there is due to (unwarranted) safety concerns.

[Sammon]

I concur. Most Japanese can read English to some degree, but unless they live in central Tokyo and work with foreigners regularly they can't speak more than a few pleasantries.

So as far as conversational English goes, PI ranks pretty high in my book.
Learning any language is two fold. First you learn the basics in the classroom by writing, listening. then you need to put these in connecting words to become a conversation speaker. Conversation language is picked up better if you are forced to speak that language day in and day out.
Many Chinese learn basic english in School. My GF who was 18 could understand spoken and written english very well. But conversationwise she is lacking in comprehension. We communicated complex issues by writing. I tried to teach her but as usual human brain goes for the easiest path to convey. Without me there she needs to speak only Chinese with everybody. Also in etween my visits she will forget what I have taught her but will pick up quickly. But after two years still she cannot talk fluent english. She works in a department store and there is no need.
Some girls in bigger cities like Beijing and shanghai tend to have more opportunities to learn.

[Sammon]

I have been visiting China for the past 21 years and I disagree with your assessment. The largest investor in China is the overseas Chinese from Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore. Those 3 groups have invested more in China than the US & all the European countries combined. Most Japanese investors in China (originally) were the Japanese with Chinese blood. These same investors are related to the ones who built-up the Tiger economies of Asia (Korea, Taiwan, Singapore). If you go to the Guangdong province manufacturing plants, most (65+%) of the owners have Chinese roots.

Yes there is corruption among the government officials in China (no more than most western countries BTW) but the biggest difference between China and the other 3rd world countries is the quality of their policy makers. The China policy makers today have been educated in the finest institutions in the world (Harvard, Stamford, London School of Business, McGill, Princeton) and it was part of Deng's strategy for westernizing China (following the Singaporean model). If you go to those Universities today (as I have), you will find young scholars on scholarship from the Chinese government. They are the policy makers of tomorrow. These young scholars have very good paying jobs waiting for them back in China with the government.

The Phils is a very beautiful country but the reason few tourists go there is due to (unwarranted) safety concerns.
I partially agree with your assessment about ownership of factories being people of Chinese heritage. Only they were allowed to own it although the technology is western. Western companies were viewed with suspicion and were not allowed to own anything. But the total westernisation of the infrastructure and economy came from Germany and Japan. USA did not get into the fray in the begining mainly because of anti-communist stance.
Most of the high government officials I have met in Beijing are old people who are not well educated. But the system in the government is set up by Deng is western style modern system with checks and balances.
Phi would have benefitted with cheap labor and regimentation of work force. But Marcos did not want the country to become world force, just his cronies to benefit. He accepted American money in the guise of controlling communism only. The same kind of mentality is there now with the new set of law makers. They practically do not care for the poor people. Even people who got jobs in the gulf and other countries need to go through a hurdle of red tape before allowed.
Because Phi is so poor we get all the willing girls to go with us.

[FreebieFan]

I partially agree with your assessment about ownership of factories being people of Chinese heritage. Only they were allowed to own it although the technology is western. Western companies were viewed with suspicion and were not allowed to own anything. But the total westernisation of the infrastructure and economy came from Germany and Japan. USA did not get into the fray in the begining mainly because of anti-communist stance.

Most of the high government officials I have met in Beijing are old people who are not well educated. But the system in the government is set up by Deng is western style modern system with checks and balances.

Phi would have benefitted with cheap labor and regimentation of work force. But Marcos did not want the country to become world force, just his cronies to benefit. He accepted American money in the guise of controlling communism only. The same kind of mentality is there now with the new set of law makers. They practically do not care for the poor people. Even people who got jobs in the gulf and other countries need to go through a hurdle of red tape before allowed.

Because Phi is so poor we get all the willing girls to go with us.Is this a sex forum or are Chinese factories now both sexy and considered sexul? Can you get on topic please.

[Gangles]

The comment about subsidies for japanese rice farmers is spot on.

But the EU also subsidises its farmers, and teh UK, and the USA, and many other countries.

Why?

There is an old saying in defence circles - "he who controls the food supply controls the world"

Food is a national strategic defence matter. The Jap govt pays farmers same as US govt, so that if the shit hits the farm, they can feed themselves.

Because there wil be no opportunity to ship food by sea - ships are extremely vulnerable in teh modern battlefield, it is necessary to maintain enough agricultural land to keep the populace fed.

[Tenchi]

Sorry to go off topic '____' haha...

http://www.dateinasia.com/rizalyn18.html

looser never win!!! hmmmmmp
i want a prince who can proudly say "i'll fuck you" even in front of many people
who can eat my pussy even without a week of bathing.
who can show me his cock and say " this is the girl im gonna fuck"
"boys! ill bend over and show you everything"!! =)

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I want to meet a Male
with age from 18 to 80
and I want to meet for Friendship, Romance, Marriage or Other.


ofcourse a perfect guy for me..




>:-p idk, something tells me someone's changed her a/c and she doesn't know, that or I've found the future Mrs. Tenchi...

[Questor55]

Is this a sex forum or are Chinese factories now both sexy and considered sexul? Can you get on topic please.Ease off FF. A number of us are interested in this stuff. However I agree there has been a significant shift from the intent of this thread. There is a thread for this kind of discussion. HISTORY & POLITICS, located near the bottom of the topics list.

[Questor55]

I would add a fourth "poverty driver" to Gangles' excellent summary: inadequate investment in education, which is also the case here. The fact is that the public education system in the Philippines is one of the worst vie ever seen, and prepares it's students for nothing.

GEJust like everything else in this unfortunate country, it's just broken, lol.
Inadequate resources and lack of maintenance are endemic in practically
everything and anywhere.

[Mr Enternational]

A question for you experts since I am new at trying to prearrange hookups before arriving in a country.

I joined tagged several months ago. As my trip to the PI approaches (late Jan.) I picked out the 7 best-looking of my "friends" (most are in or near Manila) and sent them a message. The message was pretty upfront, saying that I would be visiting soon and wanting to know if they wanted to "meet for some fun". In about a week I have received one "no" and not heard from the other 6.

Suggestions on how to get better results?Don't assume everyone is promiscuous or a hooker. Have some game about yourself and use tact. Just like any woman from where you are from; they know within 15 minutes whether they will fuck you or not. However you can't just come out and say let's go fuck. You have to go through all the usual motions and rigamaroll. If you are that insistent on meeting someone just to fuck then why not just go to the usual haunts and pay your 1000 pesos rather than wasting countless hours on a website for something hit or miss. Then you will more than likely still end up spending the money by going to dinner with them, buying them drinks, and paying their taxi.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Sorry to go off topic '____' haha...
http://www.dateinasia.com/rizalyn18.html


Hahaha.. several possibilities come to mind:

- She has an ex-boyfriend and he got hold of her password
- The bitter ex-boyfriend created the whole account without her knowledge
- It's a scammer

[Amavida]

Well I'm no expert but my approach has been successful for me. I dont use the "want to meet for fun" approach. I do the opposite and say Im going to Phil for Business and Im single and will have a couple days off and would love to take them to dinner. I get more responses that way from girls that are not looking to make a buck for sex but are open to meeting a forigner.
They have the morals of alley cat's but need to maintain face.
You have obviously grasped the fundamentals.
Congratulations.

AV

[Econo Tech]

Hahaha.. several possibilities come to mind:

- She has an ex-boyfriend and he got hold of her password
- The bitter ex-boyfriend created the whole account without her knowledge
- It's a scammerOr could be an LB - LBs are not ashamed to say it straight.

[Econo Tech]

They have the morals of alley cat's but need to maintain face.
You have obviously grasped the fundamentals.
Congratulations.

AVAll around Asia, it is the same.

Rarely have I seen a alley cat admitting it is one.

[JPF]

Thanks for the alternative.

I never mentioned money or sex and (Mr. Enternational) I certainly don't assume everyone on Tagged is a hooker or promiscuous. I was hoping for 1 or 2 positive responses out of 7 and see where that goes.

I thought that "meet for fun" was open enough to include almost anything (except that I'm not looking for long term relationship). Although it is a small sample (two replies) I take it that the advice is to try and get a date with them and then wine and dine them.

By the way, after I posted my message I got one positive reply of "sure, just let me know when you are here".


Well I'm no expert but my approach has been successful for me. I dont use the "want to meet for fun" approach. I do the opposite and say Im going to Phil for Business and Im single and will have a couple days off and would love to take them to dinner. I get more responses that way from girls that are not looking to make a buck for sex but are open to meeting a forigner.

[Buko Max]

I thought that "meet for fun" was open enough to include almost anything (except that I'm not looking for long term relationship).
For many Filipinas, 'meet for fun' or 'lets have some fun' is code for 'lets have sex'!

[Sammon]

Thanks for the alternative.

I never mentioned money or sex and (Mr. Enternational) I certainly don't assume everyone on Tagged is a hooker or promiscuous. I was hoping for 1 or 2 positive responses out of 7 and see where that goes.

I thought that "meet for fun" was open enough to include almost anything (except that I'm not looking for long term relationship). Although it is a small sample (two replies) I take it that the advice is to try and get a date with them and then wine and dine them.

By the way, after I posted my message I got one positive reply of "sure, just let me know when you are here".
In chatting the girls will agree for everything. Just do not send any money.
Whether they actuially give you sex once you meet depends on lots of things. If they meet you with their family or friends generally sex is out of the question on that day. Maybe she will come to your hotel later. These girls want to protect their percieved respect with family and friends. Having said that sex is out there in the open in Phi.

[Wicked Roger]

For many Filipinas, 'meet for fun' or 'lets have some fun' is code for 'lets have sex'!
Mattrick

It certainly is when I say it :D

When chatting I also ask if the girl has had ex boyfriends and then ask if she has any 'experience'....another way to see how open minded she. Had a few tell me am "naughty" (but still chat) and some say I am "disgusting" which I see as a compliment :) but generally it weeds out those who may not be suitable....

[JPF]

For many Filipinas, 'meet for fun' or 'lets have some fun' is code for 'lets have sex'!

Thank you. Could you suggest a phrase that is inbetween "fun" and "have dinner||meet"? I would like it open enough to include the possibility of sex but not be too blatant. I know that dinner can lead to sex but I would prefer to let them know that that isn't the only thing I am interested in.

[Tally Wacker]

Just make your openining message friendly and simple. Move the conversation over to YM and exchange some photos and try to see them on Cam. After a few chats then feel the girl out for additional interests. Just get a little naughtier each time and see how they take it. When they feel more comfortable with you then you can say...Hey Im single but I dont like the bar scene and I would love some company. Can you stay with me overnight if after we meet you like me? Meet them for a drink and if all goes well then take it from there. If you dont like them then just end it there and move on.

Some girls may have to travel an hour by jeepny to get to you so if they like you then they will want to stay with you. Dont bring it up that you will pay them for sex but offer to pay for their transportation to and from. Dont send them money but give it to them when you see them. If they are looking to make a few pesos for sex they will bring it up. You will need to decide if thats what you want and negotiate it.

From my expierience the regular filipinas who are not in it for the money are the best. If they like you they will fuck your brains out.

Wicked Rogers approach is on the hardcore end of the spectrum so you need to decide how you want to play it.

Its kind of a hit and miss so if you have the time and skills to weed out the good ones from the bad before your visit it will go better.

Good Luck


Thank you. Could you suggest a phrase that is inbetween "fun" and "have dinner||meet"? I would like it open enough to include the possibility of sex but not be too blatant. I know that dinner can lead to sex but I would prefer to let them know that that isn't the only thing I am interested in.

[Mr Enternational]

In chatting the girls will agree for everything. Just do not send any money.LOL. Yeah, but if they live outside of Manila (or your destination of choice) they will tell you they need you to send money so they can go there.

Could you suggest a phrase that is inbetween "fun" and "have dinner||meet"? I would like it open enough to include the possibility of sex but not be too blatant. I know that dinner can lead to sex but I would prefer to let them know that that isn't the only thing I am interested in.That is the point. You do not want them to think you are even remotely interested in sex with them. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry that meet them on the site will eventually get around to mentioning sex. You want to set yourself apart by never even hinting at it. You have to remember they are in fairy tale land and looking for prince charming to sweep them off their feet. So your M.O. is that you just want to meet her and know her and you hope she is a good lady.

I definitely would not suggest offering dinner before you meet her. I would say invite her to get some juice or ice cream. Then when she arrives and you get a good vibe you might want to throw dinner out there. When you are mass meeting chicks daily there is only so much dinner you can/want to eat and/or pay for. So think small like having tea; something to break the ice. Then eventually one thing leads to another.

Stop trying to run down the hill to fuck one out of the herd. Walk down the hill and fuck them all. Patience grasshopper.

[WestCoast1]

LOL. That is the point. You do not want them to think you are even remotely interested in sex with them. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry that meet them on the site will eventually get around to mentioning sex. You want to set yourself apart by never even hinting at it.

Stop trying to run down the hill to fuck one out of the herd. Walk down the hill and fuck them all. Patience grasshopper.


Just make your openining message friendly and simple. Move the conversation over to YM and exchange some photos and try to see them on Cam. After a few chats then feel the girl out for additional interests. Just get a little naughtier each time and see how they take it. When they feel more comfortable with you then you can say...Hey Im single but I dont like the bar scene and I would love some company. Can you stay with me overnight if after we meet you like me? Meet them for a drink and if all goes well then take it from there. If you dont like them then just end it there and move on.

To each his own. I placed a profile on a dating site that was much more harsh than his tagged. "I'm only looking for fun when touring through your town. Not interested in long-term relationship..." They came pouring out of the woodwork. Some didn't read the profile before responding, and many of those were not interested in me once they read it (I ask right away in chat if they read it; then direct them back to read it if they had not). The ones who did read it first and responded (about half) were overwhelmingly wanting to meet. I only needed to have the thing up for a few days and I got a spreadsheet full of phone numbers and, "you txt me when ur in cebu ya. we meet up." The first few days I was getting 50+ responses, which trailed quickly down to 8-12/day. I had it up for a month before my trip; next time a week (or less) will do. Once in manila/AC/Batangas/Cebu I was beating them off, as I also like the girls in the bars and malls. Man heaven. YMMV.

Whatever approach works for you, works. I'm with WR on the naughty end of the approach. These girls I chat with from the dating site, I never leave them feeling they won't be sleeping with me, and we rarely mention specifics. If she's willing to meet, she's willing to sleep with me. On the other hand, once in town, there were a few girls who did not meet me, for whatever reason.

[Wicked Roger]

I'm with WR on the naughty end of the approach. These girls I chat with from the dating site, I never leave them feeling they won't be sleeping with me, and we rarely mention specifics. If she's willing to meet, she's willing to sleep with me. On the other hand, once in town, there were a few girls who did not meet me, for whatever reason.

Each to his own flavour but I find if you are direct about what you want, whatever if may be that you want, then at least there is no misunderstanding and you will all be happy

Pinays will always say they will come and some will get cold feet once they realise you are serious and are in the city and have a raging hard on :D, happens all the time but at least the way WC diod it will sort out those who will not do what he needs

[Fast Buck Artist]

Pinays will always say they will come and some will get cold feet once they realise you are serious and are in the city and have a raging hard on :D, happens all the time but at least the way WC diod it will sort out those who will not do what he needs

I agree.. being honest about what you want is best.. it weeds out the prospects who dont fit with your plans..

And if you dont find what you need online.. you can always head to LA Cafe / Burgos / Angeles to pick up a P4P girl.. plan B

[GregLondon]

A question for you experts since I am new at trying to prearrange hookups before arriving in a country.

I joined tagged several months ago. As my trip to the PI approaches (late Jan.) I picked out the 7 best-looking of my "friends" (most are in or near Manila) and sent them a message. The message was pretty upfront, saying that I would be visiting soon and wanting to know if they wanted to "meet for some fun". In about a week I have received one "no" and not heard from the other 6.

Suggestions on how to get better results?

The problem is that you are trying to think too far ahead. As soon as you talk about end of January most girls will be smart enough to understand that there is a less than 1% chance that she will ever meet you so won't bother responding. "Fun" will generally be interpreted as sex without any commitment and maybe without any financial compensation, so is probably not the best phrase to use. Maybe something like "meet up and if we get on well stay overnight", but as you will have gathered different people onn this board employ different strategies. My preference is just to be upfront and honest, others prefer to be "economical with the truth".

[Red Kilt]

To each his own. I placed a profile on a dating site that was much more harsh than his tagged. ........................

I agree wholeheartedly with WC and WR.

After 2 years on DIA of using code words, scouting around the truth and trying to paint this wonderful picture of a professional good guy I went the same way as WC - I put up a profile that said I am too busy for building relationships and just prefer discreet meetings, even in the day time if it suits.

They "poured out of the woodwork", to use WC's phrase. And some of the respondents were the ones with "God-fearing" and "no scammers" in their profiles.

It's all a big crazy game.

[GregLondon]

I agree wholeheartedly with WC and WR.

After 2 years on DIA of using code words, scouting around the truth and trying to paint this wonderful picture of a professional good guy I went the same way as WC - I put up a profile that said I am too busy for building relationships and just prefer discreet meetings, even in the day time if it suits.

They "poured out of the woodwork", to use WC's phrase. And some of the respondents were the ones with "God-fearing" and "no scammers" in their profiles.

It's all a big crazy game.

I think for the majority of Filipinas on DIA, the key is to know where they stand. Unfortunately because of DIA's rules re talking about money it is difficult for both guys and especially girls to set out what they are really looking for without getting banned. The majority of non scammer girls on DIA are looking for marriage but probably at least 70% are alo open to a shorter term thing provided there is something in it for them , typically some financial compensation.

[Tenchi]

Thank you. Could you suggest a phrase that is inbetween "fun" and "have dinner||meet"? I would like it open enough to include the possibility of sex but not be too blatant. I know that dinner can lead to sex but I would prefer to let them know that that isn't the only thing I am interested in.

I never ask upfront. If you want to find out how far she may go, ask about exes, ask about DIA exes, something offhand like 'I hope you used protection' I've found gives me answers, plus makes me look responsible :p This way you can get a good idea of the answer to your Q without asking outright.

I think the key is to just secure the meetup, then figure out if she's up for it. Most that come, will be up for it. Also the further they have to travel to you the better your chances.

So depending on what approach you use, just make sure you give the impression you're there for longer than say 2 weeks.

Also, be prince charming in the way you speak, I always say waffle like 'let's wait, so it can be special...' lol, always hit the jackpot before meet 5 :p

[FreebieFan]

I think for the majority of Filipinas on DIA, the key is to know where they stand.I think you over complicate it. In using DIA for past 3 years, and other sites I have an over 90% score ratio. I look ok, I treat the girls ok, they know they are safe with me and that I'm not some sleazy guy, and the rest is just natural. They always seem as keen to get into bed as I am.

My last 5-10 dates have involved meeting a girl, having a drink and maybe food then walking to my car to go to my place or to Eurotel and not one girl has said " wait, where are we going, why are we going to your place " etc.

[WestCoast1]

I agree wholeheartedly with WC and WR.

After 2 years on DIA of using code words, scouting around the truth and trying to paint this wonderful picture of a professional good guy I went the same way as WC - I put up a profile that said I am too busy for building relationships and just prefer discreet meetings, even in the day time if it suits.

They "poured out of the woodwork", to use WC's phrase. And some of the respondents were the ones with "God-fearing" and "no scammers" in their profiles.

It's all a big crazy game.

I think for the majority of Filipinas on DIA, the key is to know where they stand. Unfortunately because of DIA's rules re talking about money it is difficult for both guys and especially girls to set out what they are really looking for without getting banned. The majority of non scammer girls on DIA are looking for marriage but probably at least 70% are alo open to a shorter term thing provided there is something in it for them , typically some financial compensation.
Something I found interesting regarding the girls who read that naughty profile and responded: 99% of those responding for a meetup had something in her profile saying she was not there for games, no playboys plz, she's looking for a husband. This must be the 70% of pinay who are open to a shorter term thing provided financial gain (many girls mention that in chat -- "can you help me to my problem?"). RK is right, IT'S ALL A BIG CRAZY GAME. Also, on my most recent trip I met and banged (repeatedly) two dating site women who refused money other than the taxi. "You make puta of me like that. Don't do it. Already you buy me a lunch. Its nice for me. See you tomorrow night ya." (dream come true?)

[Wicked Roger]

I agree wholeheartedly with WC and WR.

trying to paint this wonderful picture of a professional good guy I went the same way as WC
RK

I have seen you with the peach.....professional? Methinks other words come to mind and we have the photos to prove it LOL See you soon

Seriuously I have met DIA etc ladies who want to 'try' a white guy. Am always happy being that sort of guinea pig and tehy can try me as long as they like...of course they must be slim, shaved and under 22 years old :D

[JPF]

Thanks again to all for the good advice. I don't think I have the patience for multiple chat and cam sessions with many women working slowly towards an understanding of what might take place when we meet. Not when I can go to a bar and pick up someone so easily.

So I think I will stick to the more direct approach knowing that it will cut down on the success rate but also on the amount of interaction required. Westcoast1 has also pointed out to me that a dating site like DIA is better than Tagged for my purposes.

Finally, Greg London's advice is also good: "The problem is that you are trying to think too far ahead. As soon as you talk about end of January most girls will be smart enough to understand that there is a less than 1% chance that she will ever meet you so won't bother responding." So I will also wait until I am much closer to my arrival date before my next attempts.


Just make your openining message friendly and simple. Move the conversation over to YM and exchange some photos and try to see them on Cam. After a few chats then feel the girl out for additional interests. Just get a little naughtier each time and see how they take it. When they feel more comfortable with you then you can say...Hey Im single but I dont like the bar scene and I would love some company. Can you stay with me overnight if after we meet you like me? Meet them for a drink and if all goes well then take it from there. If you dont like them then just end it there and move on.

[Mr Enternational]

Thanks again to all for the good advice. I don't think I have the patience for multiple chat and cam sessions with many women working slowly towards an understanding of what might take place when we meet. Not when I can go to a bar and pick up someone so easily.

So I think I will stick to the more direct approach knowing that it will cut down on the success rate but also on the amount of interaction required. Westcoast1 has also pointed out to me that a dating site like DIA is better than Tagged for my purposes.However you decide to do it it is all a numbers game and takes a lot of time. That is why I was saying that it would probably be better to get someone from one of the bars. I didn't have any luck on DIA myself and I used to be king of online dating sites around the world. I just don't have the patience anymore for most of these dating sites.

Can anyone ring in on the no show rate of DIA chicks? And is there any particular demographic of chicks that is more likely to show up?

[Slippery]

However you decide to do it it is all a numbers game and takes a lot of time. That is why I was saying that it would probably be better to get someone from one of the bars. I didn't have any luck on DIA myself and I used to be king of online dating sites around the world. I just don't have the patience anymore for most of these dating sites.

Can anyone ring in on the no show rate of DIA chicks? And is there any particular demographic of chicks that is more likely to show up?No shows are 4 out of every 5. I call after I am in town letting them know I'm in town and where I am staying. Then auntie got sick, father is in hospital, school work to do, etc etc etc. The only ones that show up are the ones that need the money. Remember, the women play the guys as much as the guys play the women.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Can anyone ring in on the no show rate of DIA chicks? And is there any particular demographic of chicks that is more likely to show up?

I did not have a single no-show.. showing up an hour late is standard though.. expect that. Also they have a lot of trouble finding places.. pick some meeting place that even a complete imbecile would be able to find...

In my experience, no-shows are not really a problem.. a much more annoying scenario is when the girl shows up late with 2 friends, they dine and get entertained at your expense.. then say goodbye and go home

[WestCoast1]

I did not have a single no-show.. showing up an hour late is standard though.. expect that. Also they have a lot of trouble finding places.. pick some meeting place that even a complete imbecile would be able to find...
In my experience, no-shows are not really a problem.. a much more annoying scenario is when the girl shows up late with 2 friends, they dine and get entertained at your expense.. then say goodbye and go home
On my last trip I didn't have a single no-show. I did have, however, have one make an excuse (see Slippery below) to not meet me (sick father). Maybe the father is sick, maybe she just got nervous at the thought of a white man leading with his c*ck out of his pants. Who knows. The good news is that every other woman from my dating site that I mentioned I would like to meet was leading the charge to get to me. Lateness is more of a problem than no-shows.


No shows are 4 out of every 5. I call after I am in town letting them know I'm in town and where I am staying. Then auntie got sick, father is in hospital, school work to do, etc etc etc. The only ones that show up are the ones that need the money. Remember, the women play the guys as much as the guys play the women.
I have an unusual vetting system that separates the 'curious' pinay from those that are willing to sleep with me. It takes too long to explain here, but several gents on this board are aware of it. Part of that process is the 'bad-boy' profile on a paid dating site.

[Red Kilt]

Sorry for the long details but it's a good story.
Last night I met up with a DIA contact. Plan was to go to the disco in Cebu and then end up at my hotel.
She arrived with 2 (TWO) friends which was NOT pre-arranged. Too late for me to make a scene. I agreed to take all 3 to the disco.
One of the friends was smoking hot in a sexy dress.
Long story short.
Went to disco. My original DIA girl didn't want to dance much. The friends did. I made it clear to the sexy one I fancied her but she seemed a bit wary of moving against her friend (my DIA contact) . We exchanged contact numbers discreetly.
After 2 hours they all decided to go home because they were tired, and they dropped me off in my hotel (alone).
Two mins later, I get a text (obviously from the taxi) saying how nice it was to meet me (from the sexy friend).
I messaged back and agreed and said I hoped to see her again and that I was now all alone in my hotel room.
She replied "You like to see me now? If you do, what is room number?"

Ten minutes later we were hard at it, and she stayed all night and multiple shots and for taxi money only.

SO........ don't dismiss all occasions when your girl brings a friend. Sometimes the dark cloud has a very silver lining.

[GregLondon]

Those of you who find you have so many Phil contacts and leads that you lose track of them may be interested to download the "free address book" manager

http://addressbook.gassoftwares.com/

It's a stand alone contacts manger which will allow you to set up an address book just for your Phil contacts. It allows you to create unlimited extra fields for data such as looks, sexual tastes/performance, DIA Facebook Ids and whatever else you find useful, plus to upload a pic of the girl.

Essential PIM does a similar job a bit more elegantly but the Pro version isnt free and pirated versions tend to expire after awhile meaning you lose your contacts database if you are not carfeful, whereas FAB is totally free software.



re No shows.

The question is how are they defined. I suspect the OP was talking about chatting to girls in the months before a trip who claimed they were keen to meet, then he calls then once he arrives to find they have new Bf's sick dads, cold feet etc. This is indeed a pretty common problem. I think the guys talking about Zero % no shows are talking about calling a girl arranging to meet an hour later at Jollybees and she shows up 2 hours later. Generally girls will show up in these circumstances, though you may need to do quite a bit of texting and often girls will not actually start their journery until you actually say I'm here at Jolybees waiting for you. (which is why i prefer to meet at my hotel if at all possible.) Sadly if you look a bit frightening they can get cold feet and try and run away before they say hello (speaking from sad experience), if you try to meet at say the mall.

[Red Kilt]

..............................re No shows.

........ and often girls will not actually start their journery until you actually say I'm here at Jolybees waiting for you. (which is why i prefer to meet at my hotel if at all possible.) Sadly if you look a bit frightening they can get cold feet and try and run away before they say hello (speaking from sad experience), if you try to meet at say the mall.

You're right GL about the girls needing heaps of re-assurance that you are actually gonna be there to meet them. Seems many punters play the girls along by standing them up - seems to give these guys some power surge to know they have girls running after them.
Meeting at the hotel can be even more frightening for us guys too. I met a girl yesterday in a mall after a short chat on cam who was NOTHING like her DIA persona or her appearance on cam. She was absolutely god-awful ugly as sin; fat, lanky oily hair. I would have had a problem if she had arrived at the hotel room as I would have had to kick her out without even letting her in the room.
Luckily I am so dashingly handsome that I never scare girls away in the mall lol. (No smart ass comments from you WR; you know we both take that Brad Pitt pill that you import hehe)

[Mr Enternational]

Meeting at the hotel can be even more frightening for us guys too. I met a girl yesterday in a mall after a short chat on cam who was NOTHING like her DIA persona or her appearance on cam. She was absolutely god-awful ugly as sin; fat, lanky oily hair. I would have had a problem if she had arrived at the hotel room as I would have had to kick her out without even letting her in the room.That is a bit harsh RK. You should have sent her over to me and I would have fucked her for you!

[GregLondon]

You're right GL about the girls needing heaps of re-assurance that you are actually gonna be there to meet them. Seems many punters play the girls along by standing them up - seems to give these guys some power surge to know they have girls running after them.
Meeting at the hotel can be even more frightening for us guys too. I met a girl yesterday in a mall after a short chat on cam who was NOTHING like her DIA persona or her appearance on cam. She was absolutely god-awful ugly as sin; fat, lanky oily hair. I would have had a problem if she had arrived at the hotel room as I would have had to kick her out without even letting her in the room.
Luckily I am so dashingly handsome that I never scare girls away in the mall lol. (No smart ass comments from you WR; you know we both take that Brad Pitt pill that you import hehe)

Yes RK is certainly right that if anything the stand up risk is even greater for the girls. Some guys will take pleasure in making mall meet up dates with girls WHEN THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN THE COUNTRY, just to have "fun" and show they can have pretty girls run after them. To my mind such behaviour is pretty despicable. It's why girls often insist that you call or text them on a Phils Cell no, so that at least they can be confident that you are actually in the country. Other guys will take a look at the girl standing around waiting for him then not have the decency to even say hello and buy her an ice cream or something, just run away and maybe text her an hour later saying that he say her and she's not for him. It's one thing if she was using a fake photo or is a lady boy or something, but I've known cases like this happening to perfectly attractive girls who provided pics/cam and didn't tell any lies about age etc. generally such girls will have taken maybe an hour to fix herself up, wear nice clothes, maybe 30 mins or an hour plus some pesos to get there, so again I think such behaviour is pretty spineless.

RK is also right in that there are dangers of a meet up in the hotel. I think one has to be pretty thick skinned about this. If the girl turns out to be a LadyBoy or was clearly using a fake photo etc then I will say that she was not what I was lead to expect and give maybe 50P to take a jeep back home. they are usually pissed off by this but I disappear back to the elevator pretty quick and leave hotel security to get them out of there PDQ.

If its just a question of chemistry or how she looks in the light of day, I would tend to take her to the pool area, have a drink or burger etc and then say nice to meet you and give her 100P for transport home.

[Wicked Roger]

generally such girls will have taken maybe an hour to fix herself up, wear nice clothes, maybe 30 mins or an hour plus some pesos to get there, so again I think such behaviour is pretty spineless.

RK is also right in that there are dangers of a meet up in the hotel. I think one has to be pretty thick skinned about this. If the girl turns out to be a LadyBoy or was clearly using a fake photo etc then I will say that she was not what I was lead to expect and give maybe 50P to take a jeep back home. they are usually pissed off by this but I disappear back to the elevator pretty quick and leave hotel security to get them out of there PDQ.

If its just a question of chemistry or how she looks in the light of day, I would tend to take her to the pool area, have a drink or burger etc and then say nice to meet you and give her 100P for transport home.

I always treat them with respect even if chubby, ugly, even a LB (for them just say sorry not my type and move one nicely). Mr E am glad you like the ugly ones saves more for me and RK :D

As for LBs. I always insist on cam (C2C) first and that way you can an idea so for years I have never had an issue. No cam no meet has been my motto and while as a a newbie I made mistakes etc I dont now and also let my judgement work. On one spectacular occassion not that long ago I did not C2C with a girl and still saw her....breaking my own rule but as it turned out well worth it as was Cebu favourite and she has been my favourite ever since.

But generally even she is not your type be nice, some of these girls do take 2 jeepneys and may even told parents or friends so let them enjoy the time and have some respect.

Plenty a**holes dont we know but dont be one of them

RK -= me smart ass comments??...never, have fun with the peach (but then I may see you ;))

[Fast Buck Artist]

As for LBs. I always insist on cam (C2C) first and that way you can an idea so for years I have never had an issue. No cam no meet has been my motto


This is a good rule ... some girls dont have a webcam then I ask them for their facebook.. in facebook you can tell even better then on cam what the girl is like because she'll have 100's of photos and every aspect of her life is bared there..

Most ladyboys will tell you upfront they are bakla.. but there is a rare breed of lying dickhead who will deny it and insist that he's a woman.. so calling them on the phone first is a good idea to listen to the voice and tell if its a girls voice or hormone modulated guys voice

[FreebieFan]

S

After 2 hours they all decided to go home because they were tired, and they dropped me off in my hotel (alone).

Two mins later, I get a text (obviously from the taxi) saying how nice it was to meet me (from the sexy friend).

I messaged back and agreed and said I hoped to see her again and that I was now all alone in my hotel room.

She replied "You like to see me now? If you do, what is room number? "

Ten minutes later we were hard at it, and she stayed all night and multiple shots and for taxi money only.

SO. Don't dismiss all occasions when your girl brings a friend. Sometimes the dark cloud has a very silver lining.Isn't it great when you can from total despair to ecstacy in minutes.

[X Man]

DIA gal in Bohol: kathilynchelo

With a chest like that, I don't see how she can weigh only 88lb.

[Cuba Tourist]

The US government consumer protection agency has warned Americans to be on the lookout for online dating scams.

"Scammers sometimes use online dating and social networking sites to try to convince people to send money in the name of love," the Federal Trade Commission said.

"In a typical scenario, the scam artist creates a fake profile, gains the trust of an online love interest, and then asks that person to wire money - usually to a location outside the United States," the FTC said.

Wiring money is the same as sending cash, it said, and "once it's gone, it can't be recovered".

The FTC listed a number of "warning signs" people should be aware of when cruising the online dating scene including love interests who seek to "leave the dating site immediately and use personal email or IM accounts".

Online daters should also be aware of potential partners who are "planning to visit, but (are) unable to do so because of a tragic event" or are "claiming instant feelings of love".

"Asking for money to pay for travel, visas or other travel documents, medication, a child or other relative's hospital bills" are other warning signs, the FTC said.

[Tally Wacker]

Has anyone else noticed that boobs look bigger online than when you meet them in person? When I first met a few filipinas I was expecting a more voluptious person but they looked smaller and did not have the figure I was expecting. I brought some new clothes from the US for one girl and they were too big for her. After getting them out of their clothes and further inspection I was very pleased. Now I know.


DIA gal in Bohol: kathilynchelo

With a chest like that, I don't see how she can weigh only 88lb.

[Member #4351]

They wear tricky bras for webcam checkouts. I was surprised also, what looked like minimum for sure 36Bs turned out to be 32As...hahahaha.

[SergeantRay]

Has anyone else noticed that boobs look bigger online than when you meet them in person? When I first met a few filipinas I was expecting a more voluptious person but they looked smaller and did not have the figure I was expecting. I brought some new clothes from the US for one girl and they were too big for her. After getting them out of their clothes and further inspection I was very pleased. Now I know.

You should assume that all bras are padded until proven otherwise.

I once had a large chested girlfriend who was spilling out of her bra, so I told her we'd get her a bra that fit. I was surprised when store after store had nothing but padded --heavily padded-- bras. We had a hell of a time finding a bra for a large chested girl without any extra padding.

[Cunning Stunt]

You should assume that all bras are padded until proven otherwise.

Have you noticed also how Filipinas very rarely wear a properly fitting bra - they haven't a clue how to shop for the correct size so invariably end up with a badly fitting tit sling that create chicken wing bulges in all the wrong places.

Met a DIA girl the other day who looked to have a nice pair. When I got her to the room, I was astonished to find that she was wearing not one but two bras and her actual assets were miniscule. What a cheat! She said that Filipinas often wore two bras but I must admit it is the first time that I have encountered one although I am used to finding them in a double layer of knickers:D.

[Irony Monger]

Seems like every other profile on DIA asks that you "accept me for what I am". Is that a code for "I am a ladyboy"?

[Fast Buck Artist]

Seems like every other profile on DIA asks that you "accept me for what I am". Is that a code for "I am a ladyboy"?

We had a thread about this topic... basically it means the girl has low opinion of herself.. she might be short, dark, or not pretty.. or whatever

Or she simply copy pasted another profile.

[Gangles]

I had this problem with a lovely gf that I had some time ago. I guess she was D+ or DD, and had no idea of how to correctly fit a bra.

I found a store that stocked larger western sizes. As you go in the main door of Robinsons in Ortigas, it is in maybe 50 to 75 meters on the right.

And the staff in the store were trained how tocorrrectly fit bras. My gf was very pleased indeed that she was comfortable for the first time.

But the store is not cheap.

G

[FreebieFan]

Have you noticed also how Filipinas very rarely wear a properly fitting bra - they haven't a clue how to shop for the correct size so invariably end up with a badly fitting tit sling that create chicken wing bulges in all the wrong places.

Met a DIA girl the other day who looked to have a nice pair. When I got her to the room, I was astonished to find that she was wearing not one but two bras and her actual assets were miniscule. What a cheat! She said that Filipinas often wore two bras but I must admit it is the first time that I have encountered one although I am used to finding them in a double layer of knickers:D.I've found one with three panties.. Was like Christmas, first pair was bif grannie panties, said she wore that to put anyone off, second pair slightly more interesting and third pair just a piece of coloured string. But two bras? Its like whats the point?

[Escort Fan]

I'm a newbie on DIA scene but I am facing a few problems:

I'm a nomal 35 yo european. I'm not Brad Pitt, but I'm clearly not Fat Bastard either!

1. On DIA only a handful of girls are hot. 10% or less. Those girls must be contacted by every horny guy going to the phils, so not sure how to stand out.

2- I am only receiving messages from ugly girls. Confirms 1 that the competition only contacts the hot girls (guess that's no surprise!)

3- What to think about the "too good to be true" profile, like super hot girl that says she's opened from all holes (well she says that with her own words).

4- There are two elements to introduce with girls, the money, and the fact I am not willing to commit fast if I ever decide to commit, and that first is play time and the rest comes or doesn't in most cases. Should that be introduced over dinner or directly when chatting, don't want to create or exploit confusion.

5- When a guy makes 10 dinner date on DIA, how many will show up, and how many will accept the brekfast invitation!

[Slippery]

It depends how big their family is!

[Questor55]

They wear tricky bras for webcam checkouts. I was surprised also, what looked like minimum for sure 36Bs turned out to be 32As...hahahaha.When you go into lingerie departments at places like SM you'll see that almost all the bras are heavily padded. Even worse, many are constructed using several layers of material, that effectively disguise whatever is underneath. Best to assume that your Sweety is probably a 32A. I'm a nipple man, so size is a secondary consideration.

Even the genuine 36C's can frequently be less than you hoped for due to their shape often being too rounded, rather than projecting. We can see from the photo galleries that thankfully, there are exceptions to the rule.

So, if we go in expecting less than our inflated expectations, then occasionally we do discover that perfect set of tits.

Guys like WR, who rely heavily on cam previews, end up with a much higher percentage than is the norm.

For the rest of us, expect little and be delightfully thankful when you get more.

[Wicked Roger]

Have you noticed also how Filipinas very rarely wear a properly fitting bra - they haven't a clue how to shop for the correct size so invariably end up with a badly fitting tit sling that create chicken wing bulges in all the wrong places.

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Took my Cebu favourite to a proper shop for measurement and then we bought good proper size bras. Amazed when she was measured as what she thought she was she so far off....now with the good bras she feels great and is so appreciative ;)

And I buy her panties...well Wicked Weasel accessories etc..bit of differnet coloured string but then we decided wearing no panties was easier...RK - she did that with the black dress the other week...a few heads turned in Ayala...was so rewarding :D You would have liked even though you have seen the peach in the flesh you naughty boy!!

[Python75]

Seems like every other profile on DIA asks that you "accept me for what I am". Is that a code for "I am a ladyboy"?I don't believe this is a code for being a ladyboy. Many of the girls are dirt poor and believe that foreigners are wealthy. They are conscious of the economic imbalance. They often ask you to meet their family (not recommended unless you see the girl as long term gf) and will be embarassed at showing you just how poor thier family is. It also often refers to the fact that they have kids - accept me, accept my kids.

[Python75]

I'm a newbie on DIA scene but I am facing a few problems:

I'm a nomal 35 yo european. I'm not Brad Pitt, but I'm clearly not Fat Bastard either!

1. On DIA only a handful of girls are hot. 10% or less. Those girls must be contacted by every horny guy going to the phils, so not sure how to stand out.

2- I am only receiving messages from ugly girls. Confirms 1 that the competition only contacts the hot girls (guess that's no surprise!)

3- What to think about the "too good to be true" profile, like super hot girl that says she's opened from all holes (well she says that with her own words).

4- There are two elements to introduce with girls, the money, and the fact I am not willing to commit fast if I ever decide to commit, and that first is play time and the rest comes or doesn't in most cases. Should that be introduced over dinner or directly when chatting, don't want to create or exploit confusion.

5- When a guy makes 10 dinner date on DIA, how many will show up, and how many will accept the brekfast invitation!Appearance wise I am 14 years older, have lost most of my hair and no longer have a 6 pack. To address some of your points:

I only contact hot or respond to hot girls in DIA and have had success. I make sure my replies are up front but also slightly cheeky with really corny lines like:

I know when you meet me you will not be able to keep your hands off me.

I don't have sex with anyone on a first date. I have very high standards. But I could make an exception with you.

Just because I am taking you to dinner does not mean I will have sex with you so don't assume anything (yeah right!)

I think you should be up front that you are not willing to commit. It pisses me off the number of guys who tell the girls they are looking for a serious relationship when the reality is that they are after a quick shag. These girls have emotions and feelings and these should be respected. The girls will also value you for being honest with them.

In relation to money. Don't say "I will give you x pesos if you have sex with me. " Offer instead to pay their transport costs. After the deed I am always very generous with this. If they have a kid I might say: "can I give you this for your taxi and to get some milk / food for your kid? "

I have also been contacted by girls on DIA who state in their profile that they have a bf and are just looking for friends. These girls give out as well.

Of the 10 dinner dates it is quite possible that 10 will turn up. Whether they hang around for breakfast is up to you and how you treat them.

[Red Kilt]

Took my Cebu favourite to a proper shop for measurement and then we bought good proper size bras. Amazed when she was measured as what she thought she was she so far off....now with the good bras she feels great and is so appreciative ;)
...................RK - she did that with the black dress the other week...a few heads turned in Ayala...was so rewarding :D You would have liked even though you have seen the peach in the flesh you naughty boy!!

I never noticed if the bra fitted or not. I was too keen to get the clip unfastened with my trembling fingers.
Hmmmm I better PM you WR. Comments are X-rated

[GregLondon]

Seems like every other profile on DIA asks that you "accept me for what I am". Is that a code for "I am a ladyboy"?

Sometimes it means that but in 90% of cases it will be for other factors eg chubby, kids, poor, dark, short, no education etc

[Fast Buck Artist]

I'm a newbie on DIA scene but I am facing a few problems:

I'm a nomal 35 yo european. I'm not Brad Pitt, but I'm clearly not Fat Bastard either!

1. On DIA only a handful of girls are hot. 10% or less. Those girls must be contacted by every horny guy going to the phils, so not sure how to stand out.


Most guys on DIA are:
- Horny teenagers from India looking for camsex
- Old western and arabic sex tourists
- Penniless filipino guys looking for sugar mommy/free sex/whatever they can get

You'll be fine, just make it clear you are a cool gent and you mean business.



2- I am only receiving messages from ugly girls. Confirms 1 that the competition only contacts the hot girls (guess that's no surprise!)


Yes, if you want quality.. you'll have to message them first and win their interest.. I did have a few quality girls who messaged me first, but its rare



3- What to think about the "too good to be true" profile, like super hot girl that says she's opened from all holes (well she says that with her own words).


If it's too good to be true, then it is a ladyboy (gay man who took hormones) or a scammer (uploaded a celebrity photo).


5- When a guy makes 10 dinner date on DIA, how many will show up, and how many will accept the brekfast invitation!

Well it depends on the girls you pick and how you treat them.. if you have super high standards, then expect a lot of rejections.. if you want a sure kill, pick a girl with a low self esteem who is really into you.

I am reasonably picky with the ladies and my scorecard looks like this:
- Out of 20 girls you message, 10 will be worth chatting with, 5 will be worth meeting in person and 3 will be willing to stay for "breakfast" :)

[GregLondon]

I'm a newbie on DIA scene but I am facing a few problems:

I'm a nomal 35 yo european. I'm not Brad Pitt, but I'm clearly not Fat Bastard either!

1. On DIA only a handful of girls are hot. 10% or less. Those girls must be contacted by every horny guy going to the phils, so not sure how to stand out.

2- I am only receiving messages from ugly girls. Confirms 1 that the competition only contacts the hot girls (guess that's no surprise!)

3- What to think about the "too good to be true" profile, like super hot girl that says she's opened from all holes (well she says that with her own words).

4- There are two elements to introduce with girls, the money, and the fact I am not willing to commit fast if I ever decide to commit, and that first is play time and the rest comes or doesn't in most cases. Should that be introduced over dinner or directly when chatting, don't want to create or exploit confusion.

5- When a guy makes 10 dinner date on DIA, how many will show up, and how many will accept the brekfast invitation!


On DIA everything turns on the photo for the girl. Girl friends of mine have had poor , blurred or conservative photos on line and the only response they will get is from the Indian/Iranian/muslim guys who are messaging just about every girl. She will dutifully send out a nice message to a fellow and get no reply or perhaps some sort of polite interest noted. Then I take a few nice pics of her in a bikini and give her one of the best to upload. The results are astounding. Within seconds or the photo being approved by moderators she will start getting maybe a message every 2 minutes at first. Maybe 400 in the first couple of days. Guys who she messaged maybe 3 months ago with no reply will suddenly write back saying "sorry for the delay in getting back to you blah blah.

Or course guys being the hypocrites they are will often say something along the lines: it's nice to see you have great assets but I really think you should cover up, there all sorts of bad guys on this site. Completely forgetting the fact that they have totally ignored her for 3 months. The ultra high pressure ones will try and persuade her to "go exclusive" even if he is only theoretically coming to the Phils in say 3 months time, they will try all sorts of BS arguments to get her to hand over her passwords so that they can close down her profile.

[Cool Traveler]

Greg, the reverse is also true. You may start talking to someone, and the second these girls find a better one, they will dump you. The pretty ones are the most eggregious especially if you are not Caucasian. The second they corner a Caucasian while talking to that damsel in distress, and if you are of any other race, they will dump you! The young and pretty ones definitely prefer Caucasians because they produce better looking babies.

Further, the younger and prettier they are, the more likely they will ask for money. The sexier the picture is, the more likely they have been around the block couple of times.

But there are also some gems in the group. I am dating one of them.

I know this because I am not a white old man! The reason the lousy looking girls get a decent response from non-whites is because the pretty ones do not respond to guys who are not good looking, who are not white and who don't have money.

Majority of the girls on these sites know exactly what they are doing, so don't be fooled. Do not send money until you have met the girl in person. She may be bilking more than one of you at a time.

DIA is a good place if everyone is honest. You get to meet some nice girls, but talk first, meet than go beyond that.

Like Greg said if you are bad looking girl tough luck and if you are not a white old man, tough luck too! It is a meat market. If you are looking for personality, visit Phillipines, spend some time, and meet people there through direct interaction or friendly introductions. On these websites, looks carry a lot of weight!


On DIA everything turns on the photo for the girl. Girl friends of mine have had poor, blurred or conservative photos on line and the only response they will get is from the Indian/Iranian/muslim guys who are messaging just about every girl. She will dutifully send out a nice message to a fellow and get no reply or perhaps some sort of polite interest noted. Then I take a few nice pics of her in a bikini and give her one of the best to upload. The results are astounding. Within seconds or the photo being approved by moderators she will start getting maybe a message every 2 minutes at first. Maybe 400 in the first couple of days. Guys who she messaged maybe 3 months ago with no reply will suddenly write back saying "sorry for the delay in getting back to you blah blah.

Or course guys being the hypocrites they are will often say something along the lines: it's nice to see you have great assets but I really think you should cover up, there all sorts of bad guys on this site.completely forgetting the fact that they have totally ignored her for 3 months. The ultra high pressure ones will try and persuade her to "go exclusive" even if he is only theoretically coming to the Phils in say 3 months time, they will try all sorts of BS arguments to get her to hand over her passwords so that they can close down her profile.

[Jambo]

I'm a nomal 35 yo european.

1. On DIA only a handful of girls are hot. 10% or less. Those girls must be contacted by every horny guy going to the phils, so not sure how to stand out.

Only 35yo? Oh you gwapo boy!

Shoot, a 65yo guy in Manila with cash in hand trumps 30 25yo guys wacking off at the pc back home. Maybe they would dream of a young rich kano. Until then you'll do! You are young anyway, for a guy with the cash to travel to the PI.

[Sammon]

I'm a newbie on DIA scene but I am facing a few problems:

I'm a nomal 35 yo european. I'm not Brad Pitt, but I'm clearly not Fat Bastard either!

1. On DIA only a handful of girls are hot. 10% or less. Those girls must be contacted by every horny guy going to the phils, so not sure how to stand out.

2- I am only receiving messages from ugly girls. Confirms 1 that the competition only contacts the hot girls (guess that's no surprise!)

3- What to think about the "too good to be true" profile, like super hot girl that says she's opened from all holes (well she says that with her own words).

4- There are two elements to introduce with girls, the money, and the fact I am not willing to commit fast if I ever decide to commit, and that first is play time and the rest comes or doesn't in most cases. Should that be introduced over dinner or directly when chatting, don't want to create or exploit confusion.

5- When a guy makes 10 dinner date on DIA, how many will show up, and how many will accept the brekfast invitation!
1. Most of the girls post pictures when they werev 16 years old and fresh looking. Never chat without cam. This way you know what she looks like. Most will parade around to show their body. If they show naked it means they are either camgirls or working girls. It really does not matter how many guys they chat with. If you score with her ultimately it is good for you.
2. Maybe you are pushing these girls too hard. Act uninterested will get you better responses. Usually they ask when I am coming to Phi. I reply saying I do not know when I can see her due to previous engagenments. After that they keep on messaging to make sure I meet them.
Ofcourse ugly girls always reply fast. But what do you care? " cover the face and fire the base" should apply. Sometimes ugly girls give best sex as i have evidenced in AC.
3. Nice girls do not talk about sex explicitly. These girls must be pros. I tend to stay away from them. Quite possibly they maybe ladyboys.
4. It looks like you want to find a girl to committ in a relationship including marriage. These things should be taken slowly. Only after meeting many times you can be sure. Even these girls sometimes do not want a relationship. Many want a foreign guy to support them and meet them few times a year. Only some wants to get married to a older guy and move to another country.
5. I have had 80% success rate in making plans and meeting them. About 50% success in having sex. Out of these there some girls I met who I would not have sex with them even if they paid me. I have had sex with two virgins with no promise of marriage. But I did take care of them financially.
I do not give them just taxi fare. I give them more money saying it is for them to buy something. If the girl stayes with me for a few days I buy them lots of gifts and give them some parting money also. None have refused money or gifts.

[Rampana]

...Then I take a few nice pics of her in a bikini and give her one of the best to upload. The results are astounding. Within seconds or the photo being approved by moderators she will start getting maybe a message every 2 minutes at first. Maybe 400 in the first couple of days.....

Mr. GL

How comes you have so clear and detailed info about that?
Do you open and read their accounts in that dating sites?

[Lord Balut]

Seems like every other profile on DIA asks that you "accept me for what I am". Is that a code for "I am a ladyboy"?I noticed, too, that profiles featuring other ladyboy indications (physical appearance, children undecided, openly stating ladyboy status, etc.) often contain the phrase "accept me for what I am". But I feel it's only kind of reliable in conjunction with those other hints. I also feel that "real" girls wanting to express the wish for acceptance of their social status use the phrase "accept me for who I am" instead. Speaking of semantics, some ladyboys seem to refer to themselves as a "person" and avoid calling themselves "girl". Remember, none of this a surefire way as lots of girls just copy and paste, it worked well for me though as a small red flag prompting me to check for other small red flags. Too many of those and I decide it's not worth the effort to find out if it's really just a wrong impression.

[Matius]

DIA is a good place if everyone is honest.

Ha ha, that's like saying prison is good place if it wasnt' for the criminals. These websites are the new Philippines, home to freelancers, lady boys and scam artists. The girls sit in the bars with their 3g phones responding to their "boyfriends", travel to Manila to meet them...cause they are good girls. The "good girls" work the bars as Cherry Girls giving blowjobs all week, but pretend to be living in Samar. Every girl has a phone full of pictures of her family and friends in the province to send to the guy. The guys fly all the way from America or Europe, pay for the cost of planes, hotels, restaurants, at best to be with a couple of girls, when they could go down the street and get the same quality and BS from any bar girl. When next in Angeles, check out the internet cafe's and see the number of girls there, who do you think they are talking to??? And for those girls that are truly in the province, you don't think they know the game???

[GregLondon]

I noticed, too, that profiles featuring other ladyboy indications (physical appearance, children undecided, openly stating ladyboy status, etc.) often contain the phrase "accept me for what I am". But I feel it's only kind of reliable in conjunction with those other hints. I also feel that "real" girls wanting to express the wish for acceptance of their social status use the phrase "accept me for who I am" instead. Speaking of semantics, some ladyboys seem to refer to themselves as a "person" and avoid calling themselves "girl". Remember, none of this a surefire way as lots of girls just copy and paste, it worked well for me though as a small red flag prompting me to check for other small red flags. Too many of those and I decide it's not worth the effort to find out if it's really just a wrong impression.

Referring to "person" is certainly an indicator as is a height over say 5ft 5in. and uncertain/no re children. I hadn't picked up on the who/what distinction.

[GregLondon]

Mr. GL

How comes you have so clear and detailed info about that?
Do you open and read their accounts in that dating sites?

I travel with a second netbook so that girls can use that whilst I am doing my own work. They will often be checking their dating sites or facebook and call me over to upload a pic form them or help with the wording of their profile or when they have a message they don't understand/want to get my view as to whether the guy is sincere or just BS ing etc. If you have a problem with that - tough.

[Frank4220]

Ha ha, that's like saying prison is good place if it wasnt' for the criminals. These websites are the new Philippines, home to freelancers, lady boys and scam artists. The girls sit in the bars with their 3g phones responding to their "boyfriends", travel to Manila to meet them...cause they are good girls. The "good girls" work the bars as Cherry Girls giving blowjobs all week, but pretend to be living in Samar. Every girl has a phone full of pictures of her family and friends in the province to send to the guy. The guys fly all the way from America or Europe, pay for the cost of planes, hotels, restaurants, at best to be with a couple of girls, when they could go down the street and get the same quality and BS from any bar girl. When next in Angeles, check out the internet cafe's and see the number of girls there, who do you think they are talking to??? And for those girls that are truly in the province, you don't think they know the game???



My thoughts exactly! These guys who insist it is different, have never been here long enough to see what is happening in the real Philippines
Just heard first hand of a girl who does not want to leave here Filipino bf even though the American has bought her family a house and pays for her and her sister''s education!
Not to mention the money her and her bf enjoy spending.
Welcome to PI!

[Frank4220]

Ha ha, that's like saying prison is good place if it wasnt' for the criminals. These websites are the new Philippines, home to freelancers, lady boys and scam artists. The girls sit in the bars with their 3g phones responding to their "boyfriends", travel to Manila to meet them...cause they are good girls. The "good girls" work the bars as Cherry Girls giving blowjobs all week, but pretend to be living in Samar. Every girl has a phone full of pictures of her family and friends in the province to send to the guy. The guys fly all the way from America or Europe, pay for the cost of planes, hotels, restaurants, at best to be with a couple of girls, when they could go down the street and get the same quality and BS from any bar girl. When next in Angeles, check out the internet cafe's and see the number of girls there, who do you think they are talking to??? And for those girls that are truly in the province, you don't think they know the game???



My thoughts exactly! These guys who insist it is different, have never been here long enough to see what is happening in the real Philippines
Just heard first hand of a girl who does not want to leave here Filipino bf even though the American has bought her family a house and pays for her and her sister''s education!
Not to mention the money her and her bf enjoy spending.
Welcome to PI!

[GregLondon]

My thoughts exactly! These guys who insist it is different, have never been here long enough to see what is happening in the real Philippines
Just heard first hand of a girl who does not want to leave here Filipino bf even though the American has bought her family a house and pays for her and her sister''s education!
Not to mention the money her and her bf enjoy spending.
Welcome to PI!

I think stories like this are very useful reminders of the type of exploitation of some guys that does go on. On the other hand, it would be a great mistake to assume ALL Filipinas are like this. The 2 girls that I've known who have married foreigners over the last year have ( to date) been exemplary wives. Cynics will of course say that it will end in tears and I think they may well be proved right for various compatibility issues. (In one case she is smarter/more vivacious/charismatic than he, in the other the age/looks gap is so dramatic that I suspect it may lead to problems once they are settled in the west.), but at least for now everyone is very happy with their side of the "bargain".

[GregLondon]

Back to Phils soon, so need to decide whether its worth forking out ofr Cherry Blossom and /or Filipina Heart.

I know the search facilities are better on these but in people's opinion, can one find a type of girl there not to be found on DIA / Tagged and Person.com?

If the answer is yes, which of those two is the better in your opinion?

GL

[Python75]

Back to Phils soon, so need to decide whether its worth forking out ofr Cherry Blossom and /or Filipina Heart.

I know the search facilities are better on these but in people's opinion, can one find a type of girl there not to be found on DIA / Tagged and Person.com?

If the answer is yes, which of those two is the better in your opinion?

GLI think it is much of a muchness. I have used CB and had considerable success there. It attracts similar types of girls that I have encountered on DIA. There are the usual types: girls only interested in serious relationships, girls who respond to "I am only looking for fun" messages I have sent, ladyboys, cam girls, scammers, and sob stories.

Many girls will use more than one dating agency, and have profiles on DIA, CB, FH, Cebuana etc. I spent 2 weeks in Phils in October. Met 11 girls - 7 from DIA and 4 from CB. I joined CB just to spread the net further.

[Frank4220]

I think stories like this are very useful reminders of the type of exploitation of some guys that does go on. On the other hand, it would be a great mistake to assume ALL Filipinas are like this. The 2 girls that I've known who have married foreigners over the last year have ( to date) been exemplary wives. Cynics will of course say that it will end in tears and I think they may well be proved right for various compatibility issues. (In one case she is smarter/more vivacious/charismatic than he, in the other the age/looks gap is so dramatic that I suspect it may lead to problems once they are settled in the west.), but at least for now everyone is very happy with their side of the "bargain".

No doubt lots of people have a successful union with a Filipino wife. I still think the right Filipino lady can be a fantastic wife.
I think the problems arise when a 65 year old guy is hooking up with a 20 something girl. No matter how cool and handsome we may think we are, it just is not nature's way.
These girls are a lot more savvy and street smart than given credit for and some will do whatever it takes to get to the west. Including marriage.
I also think some people fail to recognize the obligation and strength of the ties to their families and the pressure for them to support the clan.
This is definitely the case with 99.999% of the bar girls and the majority of the OFW's . No doubt this influences many of their decisions.
I know of older guys that have married young bar girls, but they do not take them out of the country. A wise move in my mind. Some bar girls if you meet them early in their career can maybe be ok, but after any length of time they have been involved with a lot of men and it is difficult in my opinion to ever trust them. After any length of time thy are just too into the game.
As for regular everyday girls,I see 100's of sexy 18 plus girls every week, where I live here in the Philippines. Would I like to play with them...of course! But common sense tells me that marriage is not in the cards. Their only interested in some extra cash and some entertainment.
IT amazes may to this day that some guys,think the really hot girl they found on DIA or other internet site has no Filipino bf? That is just not realistic.
However if two people are willing to swap an older mans money for a young girl's time...then who am I to say.

[Matius]

Just got to laugh at the ebay mentality that someone sitting in America can discern what he is getting by spending mindless hours chatting with a girl in samar. Only to have his whole vacation wrapped up with a couple of girls he has been wasting time with on the internet.

This is not a statement on Filipina girls being good girlfriends or wives, its a matter of limiting one's selection and trying to sort through all the scams on these dating sites, and in most cases you won't be able to (except for the obvious cam sex girl).

Westerners assume things here are the same as their home country. There is no seedy parts of town in the provinces where all the working girls live. Most living areas are seedy, so the working girls live, know and socialize with the "good" girls. All the girls have cousins, sisters or friends working the bars and working the internet. Whether it is fishing for a long-term sponsor (husband, boyfriend, etc), or a short term income generator, they all talk and compare notes. When the westerner comes to visit the girl, she does not take him to her bar in Makati or Angeles, she takes him to her house and family. No one is going to tell him that she is a working girl, or that she has five other "boyfriends" that visit, or that she is simply looking for any man that can support her and the family.

If one wants to find a good girl for a long-term serious relationship then the leg work and time will have to be spent in person. If one is just looking for sex, then the selection, cost and convenience is much better in the bars. Sitting at home with nothing to do, I would rather watch a movie than waste my time with mindless chatter on the internet.

For those who report how successful they've been in getting girls off the internet, again you don't understand the culture here. One can get 8 out of 10 single girls to have sex with you, if you have a small amount of culture and politeness. Whether working in a shop, sari sari or meeting them on the street, its so easy here, the locals don't waste their time every night chatting with girls on the internet.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Just got to laugh at the ebay mentality that someone sitting in America can discern what he is getting by spending mindless hours chatting with a girl in samar. Only to have his whole vacation wrapped up with a couple of girls he has been wasting time with on the internet.


Internet chatter does get tiresome, it's fair to say 95% of the girls you meet on the internet have absolutely NOTHING interesting to say.. due to their poverty they have a narrow social life (usually just their family and school mates), have not travelled outside their province, spend their spare time in videoke bar and netcafe playing facebook games, and have the mental maturity of a western 13 year old...

So yea.. if all you need is a hole to stick your rod into.. prostitute bars are much better use of your time and money...

On the other hand, occasionally you'll meet a genuine gem online who will give you a girlfriend experience you will not get in bars.. is it worth the time and effort? For me.. yes

[Fast Buck Artist]

Back to Phils soon, so need to decide whether its worth forking out ofr Cherry Blossom and /or Filipina Heart.

I know the search facilities are better on these but in people's opinion, can one find a type of girl there not to be found on DIA / Tagged and Person.com?

If the answer is yes, which of those two is the better in your opinion?

GL

My answer is Yes.. and here are some reasons...

- Pay sites have a much better girl/guy ratio, because the guys pay and for the girls its free
- I cant remember ever meeting a ladyboy on a paysite... they are not welcome there and will have profiles deleted
- Less timewasters and girls who are just curious.. most girls you'll meet there are keen to meetup in person
- There are no hordes of indian and arab teenagers looking for camsex (a major problem on free sites)
- You can search by location (province, city) which is useful
- More than one photo can be uploaded to the profile
- The 60 bucks you pay for access is really a minor investment considering your overall trip costs and I think is worth it

Can you find a girl on a paysite that isnt found on a freesite? Absolutely.. in fact I met 3 women on paysites that became my long term friends.. one is an architect in malaysia, one is a manager for a filipino telecom company, and the third one is a specialist doctor...

On DIA I only met brainless fucktoys.. I am digging my memory for any exceptions but nothing comes to mind.

[Cunning Stunt]

On DIA I only met brainless fucktoys..

I wonder how many members read this statement and thought 'but thats exactly what I'm looking for':D

[Slippery]

I wonder how many members read this statement and thought 'but thats exactly what I'm looking for':DNo brains = no headaches.

Slippery f/k/a PLC

[Gangles]

I use Cherry Blossoms, because of the superior search engine that it has.

The criteria against which you can search are:

country
nationality
education level
employment type
religion
last login date
newest members
photo
age range - by specific yeear
marital status
race
height range - by 1" steps
weight range
children
drink
smoke
province
city

You can save your search with a name, so you can build a set of standard searches.

There is also a facility called Match, where you can put in your criteria, and the system will provide lists of gals who fit your search criteria.

It has chat, online, and other services that I have not used.

So if you are looking for someone for intelligent conversation, just up the qualification level.

I am no Adonis, but I have not yet met with a lady from CB who did not want to sleep with me. Except for a couple of virgins that I knew about already. But other virgins who were very happy to be deflowered. I can't remember any asking for money. Almost all were GFE, only a few did not give bbbj, all CIM and swallow. They are regular filipinas, most are educated, good conversation, good fun.

I did a test, and found that it has 60,000 women and 10,000 men registered.

For your consideration.

G

[Toronto]

I have just started using Cherry Blossoms for my next trip and the one feature I like besides the ones listed below is the ability to block emails. So for example, I have set my criteria so that no one above a certain age can email me. This really cuts down on the emails that I have to sort thru and delete.

[Jambo]

The criteria against which you can search are:
At the dating site "AfroIndroductions" (which I just happened to accidentally stumble upon while looking for a Christian Science Reading Room) I noticed they have the added search criteria:

Bust Cup Size
Polygamy (can you accept)

[Gangles]

I was going to spend some time in Thailand, and I wanted to explore married women.

One of the Thai sites has criteria for married, which I selected. So I was only looking at married women. Not many. But there was no doubt that they banged, they were bored, no stuffing around, and there were no messy ties.

It worked well, good fun. There were a couple of women that really knocked my socks off. All they wanted was attention, intimacy, and a good root, with raging orgasms.

[Rampana]

I travel with a second netbook so that girls can use that whilst I am doing my own work. They will often be checking their dating sites or facebook and call me over to upload a pic form them or help with the wording of their profile or when they have a message they don't understand/want to get my view as to whether the guy is sincere or just BS ing etc. If you have a problem with that - tough.

well - well -well

[Fast Buck Artist]

well - well -well
doing so will be an ethical issue

I am not feeling comfortable with the idea writing to a girl and knowing that some fellow mongerer might read that.......

As I know this -atleast from you - I will be more careful about that from now on....

just my humble opinion

Hahaha.. Did I just read the word "ethical" on a whoring forum? :)

I also had some fun chatting with guys from a girl's dating account while she was visiting me and using one of my notebooks.. we'd warm him up with x-rated commentary and then turn on the webcam and I would show my unshaven face in cam.. their reaction is pure comedy :D if that was you.. sorry hahaha

Cant be any less ethical than posting a girl's naked photos on the ISG Photo gallery section.. or is there something wrong with my understanding of ethical?

[Rampana]

Cant be any less ethical than posting a girl's naked photos on the ISG Photo gallery section.. or is there something wrong with my understanding of ethical?

fooling with other guys definitely YES

How would you feel if something would play that kind of game with you?

Would you also have such a funny face expression if you suddenly would look into a unshaved face?

OMG

you have ANY common sense?

[Cunning Stunt]

I also had some fun chatting with guys from a girl's dating account while she was visiting me and using one of my notebooks.. we'd warm him up with x-rated commentary and then turn on the webcam and I would show my unshaven face in cam.. their reaction is pure comedy :D if that was you.. sorry hahaha

Yeah, I know some guys who get off big time by doing this. Guess its the big 'I'm here and your there' thing.

If it is so much fun why not cut out the girl completely and just pretend to be available pussy yourself? String a poor sucker along for a while and then reveal yourself in all your sordid glory.

I imagine sad losers would get a big orgasmic kick out of that. But most of us just see it for what it is.

[Fast Buck Artist]

If it is so much fun why not cut out the girl completely and just pretend to be available pussy yourself? String a poor sucker along for a while and then reveal yourself in all your sordid glory.


Nah.. it's only fun when drunk and with the girl sitting next to you.. in fact she asked me to do it, cause the jack ass was really annoying.. using the yahoo buzzer repeatedly and demanding to see the cam, the moment she logs in.. pacifying the horny toad with a good dose of shock therapy was just what the doctor ordered ;) he's not buzzing anymore :D

[Member #4351]

She might just delete and block annoying fools, its easier.

[Radical Guy]

Actually, I had a similar experience when I was in the Philippines with my wife. (I am a happily married former mongerer.)

My wife and I were in a net cafe while I was checking my business email. Next to us, one of my wife's friends was chatting with some American idiot jacking off on cam. The friend was not on cam, but had a bunch of her friends watching over her shoulder laughing at the American guy with his dick in hand and his tongue wagging out of his mouth.

When I done with my email, I briefly went over to the friend's computer to see what all the commotion was about. My wife and I decided to leave when the friend, giggling with her friends, asked the American to show his naked butt.

These Filipinas are not so sweet and innocent as they appear.

RG


Nah.. it's only fun when drunk and with the girl sitting next to you.. in fact she asked me to do it, cause the jack ass was really annoying.. using the yahoo buzzer repeatedly and demanding to see the cam, the moment she logs in.. pacifying the horny toad with a good dose of shock therapy was just what the doctor ordered ;) he's not buzzing anymore :D

[Tally Wacker]

Not making any judgement or anything but just curious what a happily married "former monger" would be doing on a mongering sex site? Just curious.


Actually, I had a similar experience when I was in the Philippines with my wife. (I am a happily married former mongerer.)

RG

[Python75]

Can you find a girl on a paysite that isn't found on a freesite? Absolutely. In fact I met 3 women on paysites that became my long term friends. One is an architect in Malaysia, one is a manager for a Filipino telecom company, and the third one is a specialist doctor.But I found similar professionals on DIA. Teachers, lady who runs her own business, dentist, call centre manager.

[GregLondon]

Just got to laugh at the ebay mentality that someone sitting in America can discern what he is getting by spending mindless hours chatting with a girl in samar. Only to have his whole vacation wrapped up with a couple of girls he has been wasting time with on the internet.

This is not a statement on Filipina girls being good girlfriends or wives, its a matter of limiting one's selection and trying to sort through all the scams on these dating sites, and in most cases you won't be able to (except for the obvious cam sex girl).

Westerners assume things here are the same as their home country. There is no seedy parts of town in the provinces where all the working girls live. Most living areas are seedy, so the working girls live, know and socialize with the "good" girls. All the girls have cousins, sisters or friends working the bars and working the internet. Whether it is fishing for a long-term sponsor (husband, boyfriend, etc), or a short term income generator, they all talk and compare notes. When the westerner comes to visit the girl, she does not take him to her bar in Makati or Angeles, she takes him to her house and family. No one is going to tell him that she is a working girl, or that she has five other "boyfriends" that visit, or that she is simply looking for any man that can support her and the family.

If one wants to find a good girl for a long-term serious relationship then the leg work and time will have to be spent in person. If one is just looking for sex, then the selection, cost and convenience is much better in the bars. Sitting at home with nothing to do, I would rather watch a movie than waste my time with mindless chatter on the internet.

For those who report how successful they've been in getting girls off the internet, again you don't understand the culture here. One can get 8 out of 10 single girls to have sex with you, if you have a small amount of culture and politeness. Whether working in a shop, sari sari or meeting them on the street, its so easy here, the locals don't waste their time every night chatting with girls on the internet.

I would not be quite so scornful of those who prefer interaction via the internet Matius. Different people are in different positions. You may be a in a position where you can wander out to a mall any time you feel like it and flirt with a cute Filipina, get her mobile no and arrange a date, but the majority of guys on this list are not in this position. If you are sitting in Akron, Ohio you can turn on your TV and get 100 channels or signup to netflix and watch any movie you wish to whenever you want. But movies and porn are not "interactive", they are passive you just sit their and receive info without any two way flow. What people yearn for is this interactivity. That's why guys will spend hours in front of a computer trying to get some Filipina to reveal a shot of her probably not very impressive boobs in blurry web cam footage when he could just flick channels on his 52 inch LCD TV and watch hi def porn in gynecological detail with exceptionally endowed porno sluts.

You are certainly right that there is something strange and illogical about internet dating. I have felt that for example if I make a date to meet an internet contact at some mall and I'm waiting 45 mins for her to show up. What am I doing waiting for this particular girl who is probably no more or less attractive than hundreds of other girls in this mall wandering around several of whom may smile at me? I know next to nothing about her, it's not as if I'm waiting for a buddy I knew 20 years ago, infact these other girls I know better than her because at least I can see them in the flesh, know they are real can speak to them right then and there if I wish. And if that's weird, when all I have done is taken a 10 mins jeep ride to Ayala how much more weird to fly all across the Pacific and maybe get to some distant and remote Province just to see a particular girl who in reality is only fractionally less of a stranger to me than 20 million others.

[GregLondon]

Hahaha.. Did I just read the word "ethical" on a whoring forum? :)

I also had some fun chatting with guys from a girl's dating account while she was visiting me and using one of my notebooks.. we'd warm him up with x-rated commentary and then turn on the webcam and I would show my unshaven face in cam.. their reaction is pure comedy :D if that was you.. sorry hahaha

Cant be any less ethical than posting a girl's naked photos on the ISG Photo gallery section.. or is there something wrong with my understanding of ethical?

Well if you didn't realise already then it's certainly something to be aware of that when you send a message to a girl, she has not signed a confidentiality agreement and may chose to show that message to whoever she likes. That's just the way the internet works and if you are not comfortable with it, you had better stop using it. I would agree with one of the earlier comments that if the situation is a guy deliberately trying to make fun of sincere guys it's pretty shallow and unethical behaviour. There are situations as described by FBA when guys are being idiots so maybe pulling something like FBA describes is reasonable. As for myself, when i have found a new potential female contact that I may have doubts about then i will often call over my GF if she is in the room and ask her opinion for example is this girl a ladyboy, does her claim to be a nursing student stack up etc? Of course Filipinas find it much easier to identify such things than we do and might say, Ok ask her which campus of the college does she go to.

Similarly if my GF is hunting for a Western husband she might say come and read this, is this guy for real? Is what he is saying plausible? It's very difficult for a Filipina to separate the wheat from the chaf because they have never been abroad met just a handful of guys etc, whereas I can generally tell very quickly what type of guy he is, or suggest some question she may ask to better judge his true intentions.