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[Member #4558]

Thanks for posting this. It's chilling to see how things play out. The money shot is at 39:25.

One thing that I have heard in business negotiations over the past two weeks is how shortsighted the filipinos will be in life. they will shaft you one week but then happily ask for more business the following week. Also interesting to note how when the money stopped the girls family just dropped her.

It's a tragic video. Good on the british mother for seeing it through.Yeah some time back a pinay nicked my IPAD from TGI Robinson Malate. I guess temptations ran to high when I visited the restroom. Girl and IPAd gone when I returned. Long story short, I met her at a pawnshop in Aufura Wing / Robinson Malate the next day, and I had to pay 10 k php to release my IPAD from the pawnshop grip. She was there with a bunch of people. Everyone knowing me knows when I am pissed / angry and I probably looked as I felt paying ransom for my IPAD. I thought it was best to just keep some kind of calm since my odds if I created a scene would have been slim to none. Grabbed my IPAD and walked the fuck out there. Wouldn't you think, and now I almost snapped, the girl came running after me and offered me a sex session "only 3 k me and you go now, okay? What a nerve. Not often do I decline upon sex offers but this was the day.

[Jack Burton]

Sometimes I'm surprised by the number of online gals who post pictures of themselves in the bedroom or even on the bed. I suppose there are a lot of reasons for this.

Just found on this morning that certainly looks frisky. Profile says Manila, but I recognize the swimming pool as AC territory. SHe has a nice bikini pic and of course the bedroom pic.When I was with one pinay, all her female friends wanted to be in the hotel room for photo opportunity. Maybe it was the aircon.

[FictionalSpace]

I've posted previously about my experiences using Pinalove. I just returned from another few days spent in Makati and figured I'd plug for using apps again.

I spent three nights and had four different girls at my place. One was a repeat from a previous trip who I found on Pinalove. She met me at my place shortly after I arrived in the afternoon and stayed until the next morning. No money exchanged other than the cab fare that I covered and dinner, which I purchased (though she didn't ask for it).

#2 was a Pinalove girl who I had been chatting with for a while and she agreed to come directly to my place. Good times.

#3 and #4 were both Tinder pickups. Tinder takes a lot of work and is hit or miss, but I think it attracts a slightly higher class user base than Pinalove or other dating sites. The first was a student who was very flirty and agreed to come over during one afternoon. She turned out to be chubbier than advertised and not very fun, but you can't win 'em all.

The other Tinder date was a huge success. I matched with this girl about a year ago, got her number, but didn't have time to meet. We haven't talked since then, but I sent her a message about a week before my arrival telling her of my travel plans. She works in Makati but lives in Bulacan and agreed to make the long trip to see me late one evening. She arrived and was a stunner. Average height, petite (but with some chest), well dressed, and well spoken. We hung out at my place before a while and more than a couple of drinks later, clothes were off and she turned out to be very open-minded. She stayed the night and then went to work as I left for my flight.

All in all, dating apps are absolutely worth the time and effort if you like freebies. Treat the girls well and they'll do the same to you. Don't clear out your Tinder matches because you never know when one might come through a year or more later! I had several other girls scheduled to come over (or asking to come over/meet), but time and energy didn't allow. They'll remain on the list for another time.

[Tally Wacker]

Hello RK,

I thought I would chime in here since I haven't posted in a couple years. I actually did the whole visa thing and brought a Filipina over to the US along with her daughter. It took me a number of lengthy trips to find the right gal and I had way too much fun doing it! I got the run around a couple of times by some province girls that had BF's on the side and were basically looking for security $ but I had fun at the same time and learned. I became very good at detecting these types of girls but they are very good as well. I ended up marrying a more educated woman that I could have a real conversation with and that could challenge me instead of me dictating things. Her and her daughter transitioned to the us very well and I think it was a combination of me adjusting my expectations over the course of visits to the Philippines along with picking a girl that was more educated and had a good understanding of things outside the Philippines.

I don't think it really matters what internet site you meet the girl on but more about educating yourself on what to look for and not to make quick decisions. Take many trips and meet many different types of girls and have fun. Once you think you found the right girl then go back a couple more times and meet her family and friends. Its still a whole crap shoot but the more time you spend educating yourself and your future girl the better.

I think most marriage failures come from the older middle aged divorced foreigner who tries to bring back a young hot uneducated Filipina and then attempts to dictate how she lives her life with him. The Filipina will go along with his program until she finds out there are other options. It just won't work for long term and its not a recipe for success.

I had to make many adjustments myself to make it work. I screwed up a couple times by chatting around on DIA previous to our yearly trips back to PI. It was soo tempting!! Luckily my gal is somewhat naughty as well and we worked out a deal that we can have some threesome activity when we visit PI but she dictates it all. Not a bad deal I found out.

There are some real wonderful women in the Philippines and I found one of them!

I still check in to this site once and a while and read the stories and miss the wild fun times visiting the Philippines as a single guy.

Have a happy new year ISG!

P.S. Chocha Monger you big pussy LOL.


Mostly positive stories, and some tales will ring some bells for some guys.

Lots of filipina stories, but a few other races thrown in too.

http://www.knowable.com/a/stories-of-people-who-actually-went-through-with-a-mail-order-bride/p-1

[Mr Enternational]

I ended up marrying a more educated woman that I could have a real conversation with and that could challenge me instead of me dictating things. Her and her daughter transitioned to the us very well and I think it was a combination of me adjusting my expectations over the course of visits to the Philippines along with picking a girl that was more educated and had a good understanding of things outside the Philippines.

I think most marriage failures come from the older middle aged divorced foreigner who tries to bring back a young hot uneducated Filipina and then attempts to dictate how she lives her life with him. Congratulations TW and good luck in the future with your family. Even with me being an eternal bachelor, it is great to hear the story of someone who used their head and did things the smart way. If by chance hell shall freeze over, I will end up following your example with a chick from a country other than my own.

[Tally Wacker]

Thanks Mr. E! If I was living in the Philippines full time then the bachelor route would be very tempting. In fact I think it would be impossible to be faithful in PI with the abundance of young beautiful girls there. Here in the USA that's not the case haha!

Btw the pics I attached are of a province girl I knew who ran me around for a little while. I had a good time screwing her brains in the mean time along with here cousin who pics are attached here.


Congratulations TW and good luck in the future with your family. Even with me being an eternal bachelor, it is great to hear the story of someone who used their head and did things the smart way. If by chance hell shall freeze over, I will end up following your example with a chick from a country other than my own.

[Naked Gunz]

I actually did the whole visa thing and brought a Filipina over to the US along with her daughter. I think most marriage failures come from the older middle aged divorced foreigner who tries to bring back a young hot uneducated Filipina and then attempts to dictate how she lives her life with him. She does not have to be Pinay. Most so-called May-December relationships will end up costing the MAN in the USA much scrilla, no matter where the woman is from. Many a man has seen his retirement go down the drain with that move. Good luck pal. No fucking way would I risk what your doing.

[Screaming Beaver]

Regardless is a Filipina's alleged educational background I'the find that for a monger it would take a great deal of naivety for him to think she will be around long enough to watch him become older and fatter as the years roll by. If she has a bastard child of which you have no idea who the father is it will only make matters worse. It won't be long before the child starts calling you Jughead instead of Daddy. Best advice is to leave them in Philly where they belong. Much cheaper that way too.

[BrainDrain]

Btw the pics I attached are of a province girl I knew who ran me around for a little while. I had a good time screwing her brains in the mean time along with here cousin who pics are attached here.Do you have permission from her to post those pics? Would be better if she could not be clearly identified.

[X Man]

Thanks for the nice pictures.


Do you have permission from her to post those pics? Would be better if she could not be clearly identified.

[Dg8787]

Do you have permission from her to post those pics? Would be better if she could not be clearly identified.Yep. She might pictures of TW to retaliate!

[Red Kilt]

I am a healthy, passionate woman who wants to dedicate herself to a solid, loving relationship.

Unfortunately, due to the dire poverty in the Philippines, many of the women on this site are essentially prostitutes, so, I must be very clear:

I am a well-educated woman who has a good job and real opportunities in life.

I enjoy and have a healthy appetite for sex, so I am an entirely different experience from an ignorant village girl who will "love you too much" and obediently lie there, staring at the ceiling while you pump away because she desperately hopes she can con you into supporting her entire family.

If you want a real relationship, and not to be just another sex tourist, start here.

You already have an advantage.

I am attracted to white guys, so all you need to do is follow that up by being witty and sweet.

[WestCoast1]

If you want a real relationship, and not to be just another sex tourist, start here.Sometimes I lose one. . .

[BrainDrain]

I am a healthy, passionate woman /snip/

If you want a real relationship, and not to be just another sex tourist, start here.

You already have an advantage.

I am attracted to white guys, so all you need to do is follow that up by being witty and sweet.RK there are some good gems on pina and elsewhere, as I am sure you have discovered. Is this one located in Dau / AC? Something sounds familiar, but then again there are millions of them.

[Chocha Monger]

I am a healthy, passionate woman who wants to dedicate herself to a solid, loving relationship.

Unfortunately, due to the dire poverty in the Philippines, many of the women on this site are essentially prostitutes, so, I must be very clear:

I am a well-educated woman who has a good job and real opportunities in life.

I enjoy and have a healthy appetite for sex, so I am an entirely different experience from an ignorant village girl who will "love you too much" and obediently lie there, staring at the ceiling while you pump away because she desperately hopes she can con you into supporting her entire family.

If you want a real relationship, and not to be just another sex tourist, start here.

You already have an advantage.

I am attracted to white guys, so all you need to do is follow that up by being witty and sweet.If mongers wanted real relationships and women who demand that they be witty and sweet, they would just stay home instead of flying to the backwaters of Southeast Asia. Mongers fly to the Philippines for a good fuck without any encumbrances, not to entertain independent women who have it all figured out. The profile comes across as someone with a superiority complex. All the other women on the site are prostitutes, poor, and ignorant. You should message her and ask if she happens to be an American woman living in the Philippines.

[Soapy Smith]

If mongers wanted real relationships and women who demand that they be witty and sweet, they would just stay home instead of flying to the backwaters of Southeast Asia. Mongers fly to the Philippines for a good fuck without any encumbrances, not to entertain independent women who have it all figured out. The profile comes across as someone with a superiority complex. All the other women on the site are prostitutes, poor, and ignorant. You should message her and ask if she happens to be an American woman living in the Philippines.Speaking of coming across as someone with a superiority complex. . .

[Dg8787]

Speaking of coming across as someone with a superiority complex...If he did that he would see a purchaser of prostitutes, poor and ignorant!

[Member #4558]

If mongers wanted real relationships and women who demand that they be witty and sweet, they would just stay home instead of flying to the backwaters of Southeast Asia. Mongers fly to the Philippines for a good fuck without any encumbrances, not to entertain independent women who have it all figured out. The profile comes across as someone with a superiority complex. All the other women on the site are prostitutes, poor, and ignorant. You should message her and ask if she happens to be an American woman living in the Philippines.I think this profile text is out there as part of some scams. For the love of it, since I rush through thousands of profiles (FB and datingsites etc etc) each month, I can't recall where I read such a profile but I came across something similar. Later I found out on another forum this was just some scam artists creating a believable profile. Believable enough to line up gullible guys. Pay day closing in. Anyone recall something?

[Tally Wacker]

I would love to see pictures of TW!


Thanks for the nice pictures.I'm glad you enjoyed them X.

This DG8787 seems like quite the homo he must be part of the screaming beaver pack LOL.

[Dg8787]

Talltwacker,

I never posted that I wanted to see pictures of you. Where did you get that quote? Did you fake that in?

[X Man]

Considering the references to sx, I was guessing it was written by a guy. If you did any followup RK, let us know.

A recent look at my own PLove brings me back to an 18 yr old who offered, ""anything you want". That was back in July. A check of her FB today reveals her standing next to her man while breast feeding a newborn. Pic is dated Nov. Nothing is what it seems.


SNIP You should message her and ask if she happens to be an American woman living in the Philippines.

[Tally Wacker]

Speaking of coming across as someone with a superiority complex. . .


You must mean inferiority complex. Sometimes these armchair warriors get carried away being that they have never even been to the Philippines.

[BrainDrain]

I think this profile text is out there as part of some scams. For the love of it, since I rush through thousands of profiles (FB and datingsites etc etc) each month, I can't recall where I read such a profile but I came across something similar. Later I found out on another forum this was just some scam artists creating a believable profile. Believable enough to line up gullible guys. Pay day closing in. Anyone recall something?The girls want to differentiate their profile. I don't see anything scamish in the profile, so far. Any profile regardless of the words would still need to go through the various filters.

Interestingly when I was last in Phils I met up with an 35-40 yo waitress, older, more worldy, still filipina slim and speaks fluent japanese. Maybe not every westerner's cup of tea but I'm sure any older Japanese gent would be so happy and well catered.

As I have said before in the Philippine there is someone for everyone. Choose the profile and the person you like.

BD.

[Soapy Smith]

You must mean inferiority complex. Sometimes these armchair warriors get carried away being that they have never even been to the Philippines.Obviously a possibility. Xman suggested, "nothing is as it seems. " Because I try to avoid absolutes, I might suggest "things are often not as they seem. ".

[Hutsori]

A very attractive 21-year-old in Agusan del Norte (Where??? Right.) writes: "Tricking for love. " Indeed you are, luv.

Those of you looking for a madcap adventure that will leave you broke and broken head over to PL.

[Red Kilt]

A very attractive 21-year-old in Agusan del Norte (Where??? Right.) writes: "Tricking for love. " Indeed you are, luv.

Those of you looking for a madcap adventure that will leave you broke and broken head over to PL.Clear out your mailboxes Huts.

[BrainDrain]

In anticipation of the Christmas and New Year's rush for gifts I am taking my mongering profiles offline until mid-January.

Will mean that I get less messages asking for Christmas cash.

BD.

[Hutsori]

Clear out your mailboxes Huts.You mean I don't have to keep 200 messages asking for girls' contact details??? Zoinks! Okie dokie. Farewell cherished memories.

[Red Kilt]

I know we have often mentioned the need to ask any chat mates to tell you where they are living right now, because so many put incorrect data in order to increase their chances of a strike.

Examples mentioned were girls in Cagayan de Oro and Butuan putting Manila as their residence because not so many guys search in CdO etc.

The other factor that many girls have no idea about is their height and CURRENT weight. Yesterday I read a profile with a lovely picture of an attractive woman; height 4 ft 5 ins, weight 50 kgs.

Apart from mixing up imperial and metric units, I sent her a message saying "surely you are not 4 ft 5 ins? That is very tiny for someone as heavy as you". (she didn't seem chubby).

Back came the reply "oh. I am not sure. Sorry".

I am waiting for clarification (if any). I am sure that she doesn't know and just took a guess without having any idea of relative heights.

[BrainDrain]

Hi Gent,

I have always prided myself on trying to keep my mongering activities from crossing into my mainstream life.

I think the iPhone and Facebook are now such a dangerous combination that mongering needs to be kept off these devices. A couple of new traps introduced in a recent Apple update:

Even with Notifications turned off, unexpected Facebook and Skype calls will ring on the screen with usernames displayed ie Sexy Cebu Annie or Marilou Firepit Bar.

Those calls will get added to the "recent calls" list on the telephone app on the phone.

FB Messenger will sync my work emails on the phone into my mongering account and then offer those people to be my FB friend. Evil.

Anyway, I've moved everything to a separate phone.

BD.

[FreebieFan]

Hi Gent,

I have always prided myself on trying to keep my mongering activities from crossing into my mainstream life.

I think the iPhone and Facebook are now such a dangerous combination that mongering needs to be kept off these devices. A couple of new traps introduced in a recent Apple update:

Even with Notifications turned off, unexpected Facebook and Skype calls will ring on the screen with usernames displayed ie Sexy Cebu Annie or Marilou Firepit Bar.

Those calls will get added to the "recent calls" list on the telephone app on the phone.

FB Messenger will sync my work emails on the phone into my mongering account and then offer those people to be my FB friend. Evil.

Anyway, I've moved everything to a separate phone.

BD.Two phones is the only answer. Or no FB is an equally smart strategy.

Not forgetting you can be trapped (if someone is wanting to trap you) by your wifi history.

If you log in for instance to " Sogo VIP Room " that's stored in the history, and who really thinks to clear such history. But there are intrepid smart ladies that know to look, look look and look again. Trapped!

[BrainDrain]

Two phones is the only answer. Or no FB is an equally smart strategy.

Not forgetting you can be trapped (if someone is wanting to trap you) by your wifi history.

If you log in for instance to " Sogo VIP Room " that's stored in the history, and who really thinks to clear such history. But there are intrepid smart ladies that know to look, look look and look again. Trapped!Yes or just look at Google Location History. So scary.

[WestCoast1]

Yes or just look at Google Location History. So scary.It can be turned off.

[CallSign Papa]

Even with Notifications turned off, unexpected Facebook and Skype calls will ring on the screen with usernames displayed ie Sexy Cebu Annie or Marilou Firepit Bar.

Those calls will get added to the "recent calls" list on the telephone app on the phone.

Had the same issues but at least there's an easy way to fix the first one BD.

When you log into Facebook on a laptop, click on the settings wheel in the bottom right corner of the screen (chat settings) and turn off "Video / Voice Calls".

[BrainDrain]

When you log into Facebook on a laptop, click on the settings wheel in the bottom right corner of the screen (chat settings) and turn off "Video / Voice Calls".Thanks for this, has been done until someone at Facebook decides it's a better user experience to turn it back on.

Westie, I had never enable it in my personal accounts but not in my mongering account. All done now.

[Picassown]

Hi Gent,

I have always prided myself on trying to keep my mongering activities from crossing into my mainstream life.

I think the iPhone and Facebook are now such a dangerous combination that mongering needs to be kept off these devices. A couple of new traps introduced in a recent Apple update:

Even with Notifications turned off, unexpected Facebook and Skype calls will ring on the screen with usernames displayed ie Sexy Cebu Annie or Marilou Firepit Bar.

Those calls will get added to the "recent calls" list on the telephone app on the phone.

FB Messenger will sync my work emails on the phone into my mongering account and then offer those people to be my FB friend. Evil.

Anyway, I've moved everything to a separate phone.

BD.That is good advice, however the security of second phone would now be paramount.

[Hutsori]

Come pay piggies...
Men - I'm findom...
Girls - I prefer :) Message me for Pix
First time I've come across "findom" (financial domination) on a Pinay's profile; found it on PL. Google it if you don't know what it's about.

Granted, girls subsidised by blokes has been going on for a long time, sometimes by more than one concurrently. Is it a good thing she's straight forward with her expectation for no-strings-attached money?

It'll be interesting to see if findom takes off here.

[FreebieFan]

I received a reply to a message today that I had sent on Tagged. I sent the message in March 2012 !!

Girl turned me down. LOL.

[Cuba Tourist]

I am sorry to ask what must be a simple question, but what is the best way to send text messages to girls in the Philippines from the US. I am trying Chikka but they want me to register using a cell phone from the Philippines.

It also has to be a system where they can easily text me back for no more than they pay for a local text. Otherwise, I will not get any answers!

Whatsapp might work but they seem resistant to installing it.

Thank you.

[MrWoolyBooly]

I am sorry to ask what must be a simple question, but what is the best way to send text messages to girls in the Philippines from the US. I am trying Chikka but they want me to register using a cell phone from the Philippines.

It also has to be a system where they can easily text me back for no more than they pay for a local text. Otherwise, I will not get any answers!

Whatsapp might work but they seem resistant to installing it.

Thank you.Lots use Viber and insisted I install it.

[Buko Max]

I am sorry to ask what must be a simple question, but what is the best way to send text messages to girls in the Philippines from the US..TextPlus offers free unlimited texting.

[Mr Enternational]

The other day I got a facebook friend request from a chick in Manila that I have been messing with for years. Of course I did not add her, but I also got this message from her in whatsapp.

I finally know your real name. After all these years.

Has anyone figured out how to take that phone number shit off of facebook?

[Omega 3]

The other day I got a facebook friend request from a chick in Manila that I have been messing with for years. Of course I did not add her, but I also got this message from her in whatsapp.

I finally know your real name. After all these years.

Has anyone figured out how to take that phone number shit off of facebook?ME,

I always suspected that there was a silver lining in my being technologically challenged and not having an FB account.

Perhaps indeed sometimes, as the late GO once wrote, "Ignorance is strength"?

Am probably living in a fool's paradise, though, because "if their right hand don't get you, their left hand will". No Such Agency, of course.

Cheers!

OM.

[Hutsori]

Has anyone figured out how to take that phone number shit off of facebook?Have you checked Edit Profile > Contact Information?

If you're on a mobile look for the blue triangle > Settings > Mobile. Click the remove button and apply. Ought to logout and logon to verify change has been applied.

If that doesn't work you can limit the ability of strangers to search for you using your phone number. Who can look you up using the phone number you provided has the three FB options (everyone, friends of friends, and friends), and I think the default is Everyone. Change it to the most restricted, which is Friends.

[Mr Enternational]

Have you checked Edit Profile > Contact Information?

If you're on a mobile look for the blue triangle > Settings > Mobile. Click the remove button and apply. Ought to logout and logon to verify change has been applied.

If that doesn't work you can limit the ability of strangers to search for you using your phone number. Who can look you up using the phone number you provided has the three FB options (everyone, friends of friends, and friends), and I think the default is Everyone. Change it to the most restricted, which is Friends.Thanks brothers. What I think facebook does is suggest friendships on the basis of who is in your phonebook. And since my whatsapp number was the same as my fb number, it would bring me up in chicks' friend suggestions. Now only my Thai number is there and everytime I get on it asks me if I want to verify the number. It should be much simpler to edit that stuff than it is. Next up: deleting pics from fb messenger without them returning 5 minutes later!

[MrWoolyBooly]

What I think facebook does is suggest friendships on the basis of who is in your phonebook. I'm pretty sure it uses several criteria to suggest friendships. One of them I strongly suspect is simply having looked at a person's profile. The looker's profile will eventually be in the suggested profile of the lookee.

[Wimble]

Most social apps will ask permission to access you phone book, address book, call log, sms, camera, gallery, email and others. I sure you can block later if you have a rooted phone. I signed up to Line. Several people got notification of my account based on, I assume, my phone book. So if you are spying, use a clean phone. I started getting messages within an hour.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm pretty sure it uses several criteria to suggest friendships. One of them I strongly suspect is simply having looked at a person's profile. The looker's profile will eventually be in the suggested profile of the lookee.Yes. But with my case my real name is on my facebook, but chicks I meet in Asia are given a totally different name. I have never tried to meet chicks through facebook, nor made a fake facebook profile for chicks to see. There is no way for them to look at my real page with my fake name; never give them any last name anyway. And I certainly have no way or even interest in looking at their page. They also have nicknames and real names so there is no way to look them up. The only real thing they have is my phone number which is through whatsapp. And since fb bought whatsapp the info is shared between the two, leading them to suggest as a friend whoever you are connected to through whatsapp.

[Wimble]

Yes. But with my case my real name is on my facebook, but chicks I meet in Asia are given a totally different name.

The only real thing they have is my phone number which is through whatsapp. And since fb bought whatsapp the info is shared between the two, leading them to suggest as a friend whoever you are connected to through whatsapp.I read you can do image search for fb but could not get it to work.

IMHO, don't use you primary phone number. Prepaid are cheap. You can authorize Whatsapp on your primary phone though another number. I think a second clean phone is better.

[Crazy4Thai]

Yes. But with my case my real name is on my facebook, but chicks I meet in Asia are given a totally different name. I have never tried to meet chicks through facebook, nor made a fake facebook profile for chicks to see. There is no way for them to look at my real page with my fake name; never give them any last name anyway. And I certainly have no way or even interest in looking at their page. They also have nicknames and real names so there is no way to look them up. The only real thing they have is my phone number which is through whatsapp. And since fb bought whatsapp the info is shared between the two, leading them to suggest as a friend whoever you are connected to through whatsapp.FB regularly asks me to add my phone number "for security". Glad I've passed on that. I am not as incognito as you ME but no way I want to mix my P4 P with my friends and family connections.

[X Man]

Just read a DIA profile: "conservative. Naughty sometimes. Single mother with two kids. ".

Maybe she meant politically conservative! "Age is just a number" and "conservative" is just a word.

[GoodEnough]

Just read a DIA profile: "conservative. Naughty sometimes. Single mother with two kids. ".

Maybe she meant politically conservative! "Age is just a number" and "conservative" is just a word.I don't bother much with online sites, but I've read some profiles, and I think many times these ladies pick words almost at random from other listings and just throw them in on the assumption that they sound good. I doubt they're overly concerned about whether or not the words make sense or the context in which they're used.

GE.

[Bamboo Pete]

I'm pretty sure it uses several criteria to suggest friendships. One of them I strongly suspect is simply having looked at a person's profile. The looker's profile will eventually be in the suggested profile of the lookee.You can send a friendship request to everyone. I don't even have FB and thought I was save. But my ex GF searched in FB by my last name and sent a friendship request to my ex wife. WTF. Unfortunately I have a very unique last name.

[BushRusher]

You can send a friendship request to everyone. I don't even have FB and thought I was save. But my ex GF searched in FB by my last name and sent a friendship request to my ex wife. WTF. Unfortunately I have a very unique last name.I always wondered why women do that. What is the point of an ex club unless to reaffirm their decision or to form a negative PR machine against you?

[MrWoolyBooly]

I always wondered why women do that. What is the point of an ex club unless to reaffirm their decision or to form a negative PR machine against you?The most nonsensical question I get regularly about my ex (es) from Pinays: "Where is your ex now?" I usually reply "Strange question. I have no idea. I'll text now to ask... " They immediately get uncomfortable and say "Nevermind". Filipinos in general feel much more comfortable asking for or exchanging sensitive information with third parties instead of asking the person concerned directly. To my Western perspective it seems like gossip mongering. The advantage that takes a while to get used to is that you can feel comfortable asking for and getting all sorts of information about every girl they know. You're right that spreading negative PR is one form of revenge. I try to be charming until I have enough dirt on them to have some degree of protection. Or avoid giving them my real name.

Contacting the ex (es) seems to be more along the lines of the "Why did you break up?" question. That one seems almost legitimate as an interview question to determine whether you'd make a good match. I try to confuse them by saying "Shouldn't you ask first why we became a couple in the first place?" Depending on the girl, I'll sometimes say "She didn't want a long-distance relationship" or "My sex drive was too much for her. " I'd welcome any other useful canned replies.

[D Cups]

Yes, selfish, not enough sex, talks too much or too many problems are my standard replies.


I'd welcome any other useful canned replies..

[Mr Enternational]

The most nonsensical question I get regularly about my ex (es) from Pinays: "Where is your ex now?" I usually reply "Strange question. I have no idea. Even stranger is that if you have a kid they assume you were married to the mother even though most of them have not been married to their kid's father. And like you said they ask about them. My daughter is 20 years old and her mother has been married 17 years. I don't know a damn thing about that woman. Talk about asking for outdated info.

[BushRusher]

The most nonsensical question I get regularly about my ex (es) from Pinays: "Where is your ex now?" I usually reply "Strange question. I have no idea. I'll text now to ask... " That is a good one. I forget the Tagalog term, but many women are willing to interject themselves into very personal lives of strangers or lovers having a spat. And the woman involved is usually more than willing to share. The intrusive style is not so common worldwide. IMHO, I try to make the problem all me because I don't want to take any more advantage of the girls and have them try to mold themselves into my ideal. As we all know, the later charade can only go on so long and they do not have a future with me.

[Chocha Monger]

I always wondered why women do that. What is the point of an ex club unless to reaffirm their decision or to form a negative PR machine against you?In the Philippines, the women do this to obtain information about you. They want to compare notes about you with your exes. Once they know your likes and dislikes, they are in a better position to tell you the lies that are most likely to help them in achieving their agenda. For example, if they discover that you broke up with you ex because she cheated on you, they will try their best to present themselves to you as a loyal woman. If your last relationship ended because you were the cheater, they will tell you that they are not jealous and don't mind if you fuck other girls. Of course, it is all lies but whatever it takes to get into your pockets and maybe sucker you into marriage.

There is a real danger to letting pinays figure out how to contact you exes, family members, and friends online because they tend to be drama queens without any filters. They have no concept of privacy and when they tampo expect to see some extremely negative and potentially harmful PR releases about you online.

The really jealous girls will try to figure out if any of your exes pose a threat and would like to get back together with you. They may attack your ex if they see her as a potential rival due to your continued communication or shared offspring. It is not unusual to see Filipino family and relationship drama play out on Facebook, if you understand their language the dialogue can be very entertaining.

Pinays also see your past relationships through their own cultural lens where their ex-boyfriends never truly go away but remain lurking in the background for periodic meet and fuck sessions to work out lingering feelings. The concept of no contact with someone from a past sexual relationship is bewildering to them.

[BrainDrain]

Even stranger is that if you have a kid they assume you were married to the mother even though most of them have not been married to their kid's father. And like you said they ask about them. My daughter is 20 years old and her mother has been married 17 years. I don't know a damn thing about that woman. Talk about asking for outdated info.It's just another generic question to make conversation. I think the only answer that they would react to would be "Oh, she's going to be back form shopping in 30 minutes, let's get on with it. ".

[MrWoolyBooly]

talks too much


It's just another generic question to make conversation. I think the only answer that they would react to would be "Oh, she's going to be back form shopping in 30 minutes, let's get on with it. ".Next time I'm in a don't give a rat's ass mood, I'll reply "She talked too much, couldn't stop complaining every time I banged her sister. " I still have a 2017 goal of three sisters. I'm just not sure whether half-sisters count for full points. Eventually my luck will run out, but going to enjoy the ride. FWIW, in my experience older sisters have more skill, younger sisters more enthusiasm. YMMV.

[Dg8787]

I take it the days of the "art of conversations" are gone? Or did some of us ever had it?

[WestCoast1]

The concept of no contact with someone from a past sexual relationship is bewildering to them.This is quite true. Tell a girl in Tarlac that you had a girlfriend in Surigao City for 3 years, and that the Surigao relationship ended 7 years ago, and you might get quizzed by the Tarlac girl on / off for the entire time you know her (years maybe) as to why the Surigao relationship ended, what is the last time you spoke to the Surigao girl, did you have feelings for her, if you spoke to her 2 years ago briefly online then you *must* still have feelings for her, and so forth. The amount of odd (and false) relationship drivel in pinays can be astounding. Trying to convince pinay #1 that you are NOT in love with pinay #2 can be difficult.

[Omega 3]

FWIW, in my experience older sisters have more skill, younger sisters more enthusiasm. YMMV.Sometimes true, sometimes not. Luck of the draw.

Was with two sisters from Bicol for a couple of weeks. Both were great. The younger one sparkled, and was a firecracker and quite intelligent. The older one smoldered, and had more mood and flavor. Was in love with both of them, and they were amenable. Regrettably, a long term relationship just was not meant to be, mainly because my roving eye was caught by yet another bonnie lass at the time. Ah, the mistakes we make.

Then, there were the 3 sisters from Surigao del Sur. The youngest was one of my regulars in Angeles, and great both in and out of the sack. She told me that her two older sisters were visiting "from the province" and I persuaded her to invite them to join us. The two older sisters turned out to be total duds. What a disappointment.

Other sister sets and, more commonly, cousin sets, and only rarely, mother-daughter sets, were similarly "all over the board". No predictability, but usually titillating and a lot of fun!

YMMV.

OM.

P.S. Never had twins, though. Twins might have been more interesting to compare and contrast?

[FreebieFan]

This is quite true. Tell a girl in Tarlac that you had a girlfriend in Surigao City for 3 years, and that the Surigao relationship ended 7 years ago, and you might get quizzed by the Tarlac girl on / off for the entire time you know her (years maybe) as to why the Surigao relationship ended, what is the last time you spoke to the Surigao girl, did you have feelings for her, if you spoke to her 2 years ago briefly online then you *must* still have feelings for her, and so forth. The amount of odd (and false) relationship drivel in pinays can be astounding. Trying to convince pinay #1 that you are NOT in love with pinay #2 can be difficult.Watch the telenovas and " old gfs " are always either appearing on the scene, inventing themselves as new and reformed lovers to be, or they are being evil and cunning and planning revenge on the guy and the girl. Theres no in-between. So when all the lurid details of the ex are being sought its so that the new lady knows how to position herself (so to speak!).

[FreebieFan]

I don't bother much with online sites, but I've read some profiles, and I think many times these ladies pick words almost at random from other listings and just throw them in on the assumption that they sound good. I doubt they're overly concerned about whether or not the words make sense or the context in which they're used.

GE.So true. One case in point seen today. " my relationship with myself set the tone for every other relationship I have. ". I queried her on this and asked if she had multiple personalities. She replied " No I just love myself so much more than you could imagine. Baffled and bemused.

[D Cups]

Good insights, CM, thanks. Your comments make a lot of sense to me.

QUOTE=Chocha Monger;2003983 Once they know your likes and dislikes, they are in a better position to tell you the lies that are most likely to help them in achieving their agenda. . drama queens without any filters. They have no concept of privacy and when they tampo expect to see some extremely negative and potentially harmful PR releases. The concept of no contact with someone from a past sexual relationship is bewildering to them. QUOTE.

[WestCoast1]

Watch the telenovas and " old gfs " are always either appearing on the scene, inventing themselves as new and reformed lovers to be, or they are being evil and cunning and planning revenge on the guy and the girl. Theres no in-between. So when all the lurid details of the ex are being sought its so that the new lady knows how to position herself (so to speak!).Yes. Even though I've been very explicit (for years) with pinay #1 that I fool around with many other girls, and that I don't love her (#1), and that I never loved pinay #2 (who I haven't seen for years), it can be hard to convince her that I don't love #2. Indicative of #1 thinking that someday I will love her (I think), or else that I won't love her because (in her mind) I in love with another (which isn't true). Defense mechanisms built into the culture.

[Omega 3]

Yes. Even though I've been very explicit (for years) with pinay #1 that I fool around with many other girls, and that I don't love her (#1), and that I never loved pinay #2 (who I haven't seen for years), it can be hard to convince her that I don't love #2. Indicative of #1 thinking that someday I will love her (I think), or else that I won't love her because (in her mind) I in love with another (which isn't true). Defense mechanisms built into the culture.Perhaps that simply evidences the truth of the reciprocal? In other words, just because a pinay professes undying love for #1 doesn't mean that she wouldn't drop her knickers in a heartbeat for old flame #2 (or 3 or 4 or whatever).

Of course, from far different socio-economic strata, and different epochs, but this apparent "liberal" mindset makes you wonder if Rizal's celebrated pure "Maria Clara" paradigm is not just fiction? Has anyone actually encountered truly faithful pinays in real life?

OM.

[D Cups]

Yes, I have on several occasions. Most of them just want the security of marriage and start popping out babies.


PHas anyone actually encountered truly faithful pinays in real life?

OM..

[Chocha Monger]

Perhaps that simply evidences the truth of the reciprocal? In other words, just because a pinay professes undying love for #1 doesn't mean that she wouldn't drop her knickers in a heartbeat for old flame #2 (or 3 or 4 or whatever).

Of course, from far different socio-economic strata, and different epochs, but this apparent "liberal" mindset makes you wonder if Rizal's celebrated pure "Maria Clara" paradigm is not just fiction? Has anyone actually encountered truly faithful pinays in real life?

OM.Rizal's Maria Clara was a purely fictional characterization of the ideal Filipina woman. Given the fact that in the novel Maria Clara was portrayed as a bastard of dubious paternity who was schooled in a Catholic convent where her redeeming female qualities were developed, her character may have simply been a metaphor for colonial Filipino society at the time. In spite of her sordid origins Maria Clara was able to become the ideal woman through religious upbringing. She is admired for her shy, chaste, honest, and selfless qualities. Her las name is "de Los Santos" which is Spanish for "of the Saints. " Maria Clara is really a saintly ideal of Filipina womanhood that Rizal holds up for women in the Philippines to strive towards rather than reality of the pinay.

I have met pinays who did a great job of appearing faithful but given time to scratch beneath the surface it always turned out to be nothing more than a lie, which is more in line with Filipino culture. Anyway, no informed person goes to the Philippines looking for a faithful woman in a culture where lying and corruption are accepted as the norm. If a large number of pinays emulated Maria Clara de los Santos, the country would cease to be a world class sex tourism destination and hundreds of thousands of aged mongers would be stranded in hotel rooms with their cocks in their hands. Sexpats would flee the Philippines in droves as once the easily accessible abundant sex dries up there would be no reason to stay. It is the sexual looseness and immorality of the pinays that makes them appealing to foreigners in the first place.

I would also like to add that the chaste provincial pinay is also a fictional character from bygone era when women remained in the straw hut and did not go out unchaperoned. Today, pinays work outside the home, own cell phones, have social media accounts, and watch hours of telenovelas. Mothers are largely absent from the household due to working as maids abroad and fathers normally disappear at the first sign of pregnancy. Most pinays are raised, if you can call it that, by the extended family. All of these conditions lead to early sexual encounters which often result in offspring to be raised under the same circumstances. While Filipinos pay lip service to the marital institution imposed on them by the colonizers, they practice something more closely resembling free love or polyamory. Marriage and expectations of fidelity only become important when a foreigner shows up because he is primary seen as an asset to lift the family up out of their miserable existence. The pinay will give more love to her pinoy boyfriend without a rooster to his name than to her foreign husband who gives her house and lot.

[Omega 3]

*** I have met pinays who did a great job of appearing faithful but given time to scratch beneath the surface it always turned out to be nothing more than a lie.

*** While Filipinos pay lip service to the marital institution imposed on them by the colonizers, they practice something more closely resembling free love or polyamory. Marriage and expectations of fidelity only become important when a foreigner shows up because he is primarily seen as an asset to lift the family up. The pinay will give more love to her pinoy boyfriend without a rooster to his name than to her foreign husband who gives her house and lot.CM,

Thanks for your insightful observations. I would agree with you in many, maybe even most, cases ("crash and burn") but have seen a handful of what appear to be stable long-term monogamous relationships between expats and pinays in the Philippines.

Didn't know if these were (a) the "exceptions which prove the rule", or (b) cases of "appearances can be deceiving"?

Would appreciate any insights from you or from our other "old hands" on this.

OM.

[Chocha Monger]

CM,

Thanks for your insightful observations. I would agree with you in many, maybe even most, cases ("crash and burn") but have seen a handful of what appear to be stable long-term monogamous relationships between expats and pinays in the Philippines.

Didn't know if these were (a) the "exceptions which prove the rule", or (b) cases of "appearances can be deceiving"?

Would appreciate any insights from you or from our other "old hands" on this.

OM.Looking at a marriage from the outside is like looking at the surface of a calm lake. Everything appears tranquil but under the surface the fishes are devouring each other. The only people who really know what is going on in those stable long-term monogamous marriages are the two people in it. In many cases it turns out that only one person knows what is really going on and many times it is not the expat. When a Filipina wife is cheating on her foreign husband, he is usually the last to know as her relatives and the village will keep quiet because Filipinos look out for their own. Marriage to a native does not make a foreigner Filipino. A foreigner will never be considered a Filipino even if he changes his citizenship.

When dealing with human behavior, there is no absolute rule that covers each and every situation. It is not impossible that there are a few exceptions. However, the only sure way to know if the pinays in the marriages that you observed are truly faithful would be to hire a local detective agency to place them under surveillance and investigate their friends and relatives. Installing software on their phones, tablets and computers will also prove very informative.

Many pinays in relationships with foreigners will fail to pass muster when subjected to robust investigation. Keep in mind pinays cheat on pinoys frequently, in one study the rate of marital infidelity was 80 percent. However, Filipinos tend to refer to cheating as a mistake and are much more forgiving of it than Westerners. A cheating pinay may get a beating from her pinoy husband but then everything goes back to normal even when the affair results in a pregnancy or, as they say, a blessing.

Anyway, let us keep in mind that most expats are getting pussy from pinays other than their wives except for a small number of holy rollers there to convert the natives. Some of these expats do not mind their pinay playing away and some even play away with them. Besides, as a foreigner married to a pinay, one has many disincentives to make a fuss about her infidelity. If there is a house, it will be in her name and the foreign husband cannot own it if the marriage is terminated. Also, in a place where life is so cheap she can easily get her lover to dispose of her foreign husband or her relatives will band together and kick him out of the house then sell it out from under him. There is really no benefit in marriage for a foreigner in the Philippines.

[WestCoast1]

While Filipinos pay lip service to the marital institution imposed on them by the colonizers, they practice something more closely resembling free love or polyamory. Marriage and expectations of fidelity only become important when a foreigner shows up because he is primary seen as an asset to lift the family up out of their miserable existence. The pinay will give more love to her pinoy boyfriend without a rooster to his name than to her foreign husband who gives her house and lot.I have had, and continue to have, too many married pinay (not to be confused with pinay who call their boyfriend a 'husband' when in fact they never married) rotating into my bed on a regular basis for me to consider them 'faithful' in any sense. That also includes many of my regulars in various places around phils who have a steady boyfriend (for years). Some bed with me for nickels, some for fun. Sometimes the boyfriend or husband is fully aware of my existence and where his pinay is spending her nights (amazing, and you've seen several of the on the most recent PG pages). Sometimes this gives the appearance that the only pinay upset by a cheating boyfriend are the very young schoolgirls. Everyone else in the culture seems perfectly fine with it. I cringe everytime I hear a gringo say he wants to marry his pinay.

Disclaimer: There are many pinay who would never cheat. Secondary disclaimer: I've found cheaters in every country I've been in, including my home country, but there seem to be a disportionately high number in pinayland.

[GoodEnough]

Everyone else in the culture seems perfectly fine with it. I cringe everytime I hear a gringo say he wants to marry his pinay.

Disclaimer: There are many pinay who would never cheat. Secondary disclaimer: I've found cheaters in every country I've been in, including my home country, but there seem to be a disportionately high number in pinayland.Given the number of reasonably autonomous cultures, subcultures, and ethnic groups inhabiting thousands of islands, I'm wary of making generalizations, as I suspect that sexual behavior differs widely among them. Like most of those who live or spend significant time here, I've known hundreds of pinays with stable marriages, who would never think of straying from the marital bed, and hundreds more who have no problem scratching their itches and urges away from home. I'm not all that certain that this practice is any more pronounced in the Philippines than it is in other countries--Indonesia and Thailand spring to mind--but it would be an interesting, and fun comparative study to design and make.

I suspect, though cannot substantiate, that polyamorous practices on the part of women are at least somewhat correlated with education and income levels. I've known very few upper middle class and upper class Filipinas who philander, but again, my circle of those acquaintances is small, and it may be that such ladies are merely more discrete with their extra-marital encounters.

Since all of us make judgements at least partially through the moral lenses of our own cultures, it could be that we're merely searching for confirmation bias. Perhaps many other cultures (SE Asian and African for example) just do not consider sex the sacred ritual that's portrayed as such in Western Christian countries, and therefore feel less morally constricted than they do elsewhere. Even during the 16th and 17th centuries here, when Catholic friars virtually ruled the countryside, the strict Catholicism that the good friars tried to inculcate incorporated practices and beliefs of earlier, more pantheistic, shamanistic religions, so it's quite possible that many Filipinos see no inconsistency at all between sexual promiscuity (another Western judgment) and the monogamy preached by the church. . Finally, the Philippines is one of the only countries remaining in the world in which divorce is proscribed. Therefore, it's also possible that many Filipinos are making the best of stultifying marital relationships by seeking out the company of others.

While seeking for an explanation may be interesting from the point of view of cultural anthropology, at the end of the day, the "why" of the behaviors is probably of little interest. It is what it is, and like many others here, I have no problem enjoying the practice whatever its cause.

GE.

[Member #4558]

In addition to GE, serving as an non empiric survey backing / not backing up other installments here I just underline, as I have met quite a few pinays over the years, many of the "taken" girls are bored to death. In my last trip a few weeks ago (5 days stay), 6 out of 10 girls claimed to be either married or in relationships with pinoy / foreign male. For the foreign part 2 girls lived with their HB in Manila, 2 girls had BF / husband living abroad aka not together, ex when he was visting phils, but donated sponsorshipmoneys (LDR's). 2 pinays claimed to have local rel (1 married and 1 BF). By the way, in all cases, I didn't know until they were either in my room or pre session (the banter part before my friendly eviction or made up emergency).

Mutual findings for the 6 was "bored to death". Could be husband wanting to take care of them, mostly not letting them out of the house (excuses being made up to get free passage)and / or girl being left alone while hubby out drinking with other ekspats / friends. Often very little mutual interests due to colliding worlds (foreign / pinay). Very little excitement in everydaylife so to speak. Local rels, their pinoys were loosers or a cheats (the sweet revenge). Except from providing the pinays with probably a better life than they normaly would have had they were all bored. The local rel girls also mostly struggeling with finanses. The other girls did fine in this latter aspect.

For the 4 single ones, girls with own work and not typical p4 p's (blurred lines I know), I also found boredom to be the mutual platform. Early rise, long commuting to offices, long hours, long commuting home, eat, watch tv, sleep and repeat. Just inviting them over for some outside their routine kind of fun went a long way. Them doing a stop by on their commuting from work. Maybe some inhouse foods, drinks and a boink or two, to break up the boredom was fine with them.

Without having the accurate numbers of girls I've met down the line, my "findings" from "my" 10 girls would be in line with my overall feeling of things. Approx 50+ % of the girls I've met were in some sort of relationship. Again I base my overall feeling on a hunch only. So if my overall hunch is seemingly correct, phil girls don't cheat that much more than Their sisters in the western world. I hereby view it as a global thing. This being mostly overall pretty normal girl as in not typical hoes (blurred lines again, I know).

[Chocha Monger]

The majority of the Filipinos disapprove of extramarital relations. Guerrero (1995) notes a large majority of the Filipinos (88 percent of the 1,200 respondents nationwide) disapproved of extramarital relations. In another survey, Acuna (1997) reports that a large majority (81%) of respondents disapproved of single parenthood among women. Ninety-six percent of the respondents (N:1,200 nationwide survey) disapproved of extramarital relations (Daylo-Laylo and Montelibano 2000; de Vera 1976). Ninety to ninety two percent of the women (N: 1,200 nationwide) consider maintaining a mistress, being a mistress, being a prostitute or using a prostitute, cheating on spouse as wrong (McCann, 1996). The disapproval (6 out of 10 youth) of marital infidelity is confirmed (N:900 nationwide)(McCann, 2000). Casuga (1996) observes that compared to other countries, Filipinos still do not think divorce is the solution to a bad marriage (Disagree: 47%; Agree: 39 %; and: 1, 200). In contrast, most "countries do not believe that having a bad marriage is better than no marriage at all. "

The data reflects a strong disapproval of extramarital relationships and at present, a strong disapproval of divorce as a way out of a bad marriage. Vancio (1977) notes a difference in approval of divorce among high or low-income level Filipinos. He observes: "More women (65%) than men (41%) disapproved of the legalization of divorce. The higher the income level of the respondent the more likely he is to approve of divorce. ".

Infidelity as a gender issue. Data shows that marital infidelity is a major concern among Filipino married couples, especially in fast growing cities like Metro Manila or Iligan City. On the other hand, further observations show that this is largely a male gender phenomenon. Vancio (1980; 1977) reports that:

Thirty-six percent of the males of the 368 respondents admitted to extramarital relations while only 2 percent of the females did so.

Alano (1995; 1994) in a nationwide study of 200 subjects reports that twenty-four percent of the participants stated that their fathers had an affair and none of the respondents admit that their mothers have had an affair. She continues: "Half of the males claim they have found the time to have been "sweet lovers" to women other than their wives. Extramarital affairs and dalliances are an inevitable eventuality in the eyes of many men. ".

Jocano (1994) indicates that "to most men, many of their flings or affairs are just pastimes and should not be taken seriously. They mean nothing. But not to women. They all mean very much to them. ".

The 1995 McCann Metro Manila Mate Study reports that extramarital affairs for men are inevitable. "he cannot control it. " This inevitability for men is illustrated by a proverb quoted in the Aguiling-Dalisay, et. Al (2000) study: "Why not peck the rice grain when it brings itself to the chicken?

According to Dayan and Samonte (1998), their study of petitioners for nullity of marriage reported that:

Adultery for males seemed more blatant, almost natural, where males courted and sought out their female partners. Female petitioners, however, tended to feel more guilty, keeping it a secret. Unlike the males who actively courted, the female's affair was more happenstance, situation-bound, such as meeting an old boyfriend, or being closely thrown together by circumstances. Females also would prefer to go abroad to carry on the affair instead of remaining in the Philippines.

The complete paper can be found here http://www.eapi.org.ph/resources/eapr/east-asian-pastoral-review-2003/volume-40-2003-number-2/the-filipino-context-of-infidelity-and-resilience.

I think the paper shows the difficulty of conducting an accurate study on rate of cheating for pinays because as we know, they lie! We know rates of cheating between male and female do not differ greatly but in the study of 368 respondents 36 percent of the men admitted to cheating but only 2 percent of the women admitted to cheating. It is probably not surprising as under Philippine law women and their lovers are given longer jail sentences for adultery. Also, the beliefs about cheating and unwed motherhood expressed in surveys just do not reflect the reality of Filipino society. And why would 65 percent of the women be opposed to the legalization of divorce in the Philippines while only 41 percent of the men be opposed if the men are the ones doing all the cheating? Could it be that a much greater percentage of the women are opposed to divorce because they are the ones actually doing most of the cheating? Females tend to be better at hiding affairs because cuckolding evolved as part of the female reproductive strategy to take advantage of good male providers who may not have been the most desirable sperm donors.

[Omega 3]

*** The majority of the Filipinos disapprove of extramarital relations. Ninety-six percent of the respondents (N:1,200 nationwide survey) disapproved of extramarital relations (Daylo-Laylo and Montelibano 2000). Ninety to ninety two percent of the women consider maintaining a mistress, being a mistress, cheating on spouse as wrong (McCann, 1996).

*** Infidelity as a gender issue. Data shows that marital infidelity is a major concern among Filipino married couples, especially in fast growing cities like Metro Manila or Iligan City. On the other hand, further observations show that this is largely a male gender phenomenon. Vancio (1980; 1977) reports that: Thirty-six percent of the males of the 368 respondents admitted to extramarital relations while only 2 percent of the females did so..CM,

Thanks and kudos for a very thoroughly researched and fascinating post. Your own last paragraph in particular provided perceptive analysis, pointing out glaring "disconnect" between the studies and observed reality (with potential fatal flaws in the methodology of the studies).

What, pinays (or women in general) lie? Never heard of such a thing. Even the Philippine courts have said that pinays do not lie. See prior case of US Marine accused of rope in Subic, where the accusing pinay reportedly was given by the USG a green card and air ticket to the US to shut her up.

What, Mom having an affair? Bite your tongue. You might as well admit that you are a Communist who hates apple pie (or puso, hanging rice). Dad having an affair? What a stud, want to grow up to be just like him, just maybe pecking (pun intended?) even more and bigger grains of rice. Wait, how many fish did you say you caught, and how big were those fish? Ha ha ha.

Ah, the difficulties of accurate sociological research and reporting.

OM.

P.S. Non sequitur, ha ha. If anyone knows of a dependable detective / surveillance outfit in Cebu, please PM me. Thanks!

[GoodEnough]

The majority of the Filipinos disapprove of extramarital relations. Guerrero (1995) notes a large majority of the Filipinos (88 percent of the 1,200 respondents nationwide) disapproved of extramarital relations. In another survey, Acuna (1997) reports that a large majority (81%) of respondents disapproved of single parenthood among women. Ninety-six percent of the respondents (N:1,200 nationwide survey) disapproved of extramarital relations (Daylo-Laylo and Montelibano 2000; de Vera 1976). Ninety to ninety two percent of the women (N: 1,200 nationwide) consider maintaining a mistress, being a mistress, being a prostitute or using a prostitute, cheating on spouse as wrong (McCann, 1996). The disapproval (6 out of 10 youth) of marital infidelity is confirmed (N:900 nationwide)(McCann, 2000). Casuga (1996) observes that compared to other countries, Filipinos still do not think divorce is the solution to a bad marriage (Disagree: 47%; Agree: 39 %; and: 1, 200). In contrast, most "countries do not believe that having a bad marriage is better than no marriage at all. "

The data reflects a strong disapproval of extramarital relationships and at present, a strong disapproval of divorce as a way out of a bad marriage. Vancio (1977) notes a difference in approval of divorce among high or low-income level Filipinos. He observes: "More women (65%) than men (41%) disapproved of the legalization of divorce. The higher the income level of the respondent the more likely he is to approve of divorce. ".

Infidelity as a gender issue. Data shows that marital infidelity is a major concern among Filipino married couples, especially in fast growing cities like Metro Manila or Iligan City. On the other hand, further observations show that this is largely a male gender phenomenon. Vancio (1980; 1977) reports that:

Thirty-six percent of the males of the 368 respondents admitted to extramarital relations while only 2 percent of the females did so.

Alano (1995; 1994) in a nationwide study of 200 subjects reports that twenty-four percent of the participants stated that their fathers had an affair and none of the respondents admit that their mothers have had an affair. She continues: "Half of the males claim they have found the time to have been "sweet lovers" to women other than their wives. Extramarital affairs and dalliances are an inevitable eventuality in the eyes of many men. ".

Jocano (1994) indicates that "to most men, many of their flings or affairs are just pastimes and should not be taken seriously. They mean nothing. But not to women. They all mean very much to them. ".

The 1995 McCann Metro Manila Mate Study reports that extramarital affairs for men are inevitable. "he cannot control it. " This inevitability for men is illustrated by a proverb quoted in the Aguiling-Dalisay, et. Al (2000) study: "Why not peck the rice grain when it brings itself to the chicken?

According to Dayan and Samonte (1998), their study of petitioners for nullity of marriage reported that:

Adultery for males seemed more blatant, almost natural, where males courted and sought out their female partners. Female petitioners, however, tended to feel more guilty, keeping it a secret. Unlike the males who actively courted, the female's affair was more happenstance, situation-bound, such as meeting an old boyfriend, or being closely thrown together by circumstances. Females also would prefer to go abroad to carry on the affair instead of remaining in the Philippines.

The complete paper can be found here http://www.eapi.org.ph/resources/eapr/east-asian-pastoral-review-2003/volume-40-2003-number-2/the-filipino-context-of-infidelity-and-resilience.

I think the paper shows the difficulty of conducting an accurate study on rate of cheating for pinays because as we know, they lie! We know rates of cheating between male and female do not differ greatly but in the study of 368 respondents 36 percent of the men admitted to cheating but only 2 percent of the women admitted to cheating. It is probably not surprising as under Philippine law women and their lovers are given longer jail sentences for adultery. Also, the beliefs about cheating and unwed motherhood expressed in surveys just do not reflect the reality of Filipino society. And why would 65 percent of the women be opposed to the legalization of divorce in the Philippines while only 41 percent of the men be opposed if the men are the ones doing all the cheating? Could it be that a much greater percentage of the women are opposed to divorce because they are the ones actually doing most of the cheating? Females tend to be better at hiding affairs because cuckolding evolved as part of the female reproductive strategy to take advantage of good male providers who may not have been the most desirable sperm donors.Thanks CM for taking the time to find these references. I did follow the link, and I was of course struck by the fact that the guy who wrote the paper is a "pastoral counselor," and I'm guessing his obvious bias was toward the sacrament of marriage from a Catholic standpoint. If that's true, his research (whether intentional or unwitting) may have been tilted toward the confirmation of his own biases. If in fact he's a priest, and conducted his research in the persona of a priest, I'm guessing that the results are fairly dramatically skewed toward reinforcing the church's viewpoints. I noted as well that some of the sample sizes seemed quite small, and hardly enough to allow for the stratification that a rigorous study would have required, so again I'm guessing that his confidence interval is fairly large. Finally, I think the most recent citation was from 2000, and I of course wonder--even if the studies are reasonably accurate--how much opinions and behaviors have changed in the interim.

Inspired by CM, I went searching for any updated references and found only the following: http://philippinestudies.net/ojs/index.php/ps/article/download/4228/6287 which seems to support many of the generalizations referenced by CM. Again however, this "study" was limited to a small, non-random sample of men and women in Metro Manila, seems heavily biased toward the perspective of the church, and relied to a great extent on "self-reported" information.

Thanks again for having done the searches.

GE.

[Red Kilt]

Inspired by CM, I went searching for any updated references and found only the following: http://philippinestudies.net/ojs/index.php/ps/article/download/4228/6287 which seems to support many of the generalizations referenced by CM.


The majority of the Filipinos disapprove of extramarital relations. <SNIP> Great research here, especially from CM, but, as is pointed out by both illustrious posters quoted above, the conclusions are inconclusive.

As a resident of Manila who travels extensively throughout the archipelago, I still maintain my long-standing impressions that the Philippines is not a country full of promiscuous women but in fact is quite conservative and the number of "loose women" is relatively quite low.

I suggest that the majority of posters on this forum are frequent or irregular short-time visitors who only ever encounter those women (or their friends) who place adverts on dating sites ; work in bars or videoke joints; or hang around places where random foreigners also like to hang out (we call them FLs) in the hope of meeting a knight in shining armor.

Given there are 56 million voting age filipinos in the current population with 27.7 million (let's say 28 M) of that group being females, if we presume / guess that 10% of that group dispense favors freely to foreigners and other men, then there are still 25.2 million women who don't. Let's be really conservative and exaggerate a bit and say there are 20% of females who are free and easy, then that still leaves 22.4 million women who never see, meet or even interract with a foreigner and, if ever they did, they certainly wouldn't be thinking of sex with them.

To assert, as some posters are inclined to do, that all filipinas are "fair game" is absolutely not true, certainly from my experience of living here for 20 years and working here for much of that.

I can honestly say that of the 100's of different women that I have worked with or encountered in my daily and sometimes provincial life, most are very correct and proper and would not entertain extra-curricular relationships.

As always, this is merely my considered opinion.

[Member #4566]

A recent poster on this forum trotted out a statistic that teen pregnancy in the PI is the highest in ASEAN. The correlation between that and libertine lifestyle is undoubtedly high. I believe that every woman on the planet is capable of going astray, if not with me then with someone else. I believe that in the PI my prospects are better than anyplace else on the planet.

[Omega 3]

Great research here, especially from CM, but, as is pointed out by both illustrious posters quoted above, the conclusions are inconclusive.

As a resident of Manila who travels extensively throughout the archipelago, I still maintain my long-standing impressions that the Philippines is not a country full of promiscuous women but in fact is quite conservative and the number of "loose women" is relatively quite low.

I suggest that the majority of posters on this forum are frequent or irregular short-time visitors who only ever encounter those women (or their friends) who place adverts on dating sites ; work in bars or videoke joints; or hang around places where random foreigners also like to hang out (we call them FLs) in the hope of meeting a knight in shining armor..RK,

Much appreciate your well considered opinion, in addition to the well thought-out views of CM, Westy, GE, VP, and other "old hands".

It is not surprising, but very educational and valuable, to encounter and reflect on varying points of view. Think that all are valid and well taken from the individual poster's experience and perspective.

On the one hand, perhaps RK is looking at a more "macro" pool, of all Filipinas in the Philippines, many of whom never have had and never Wii have, any contact with foreigners. RK posits perhaps a 20% (or more?) "easy women" figure. That is still a large pool of available women. Their more conservative sisters (the 80%) are perhaps more like the great "silent majority".

On the other hand, perhaps our other posters are looking more at the pool of Filipinas who have (or wish to have) more regular contact with foreigners. With regard to this subgroup of Pinays, the percentage of "easy women" is much larger than 20%. So, the views of our other posters are quite valid and accurate within this context.

All very thought-stimulating and educational.

Many thanks to all!

OM.

[Mua Tur]

The data reflects a strong disapproval of extramarital relationships and at present, a strong disapproval of divorce as a way out of a bad marriage. Vancio (1977) notes a difference in approval of divorce among high or low-income level Filipinos. He observes: "More women (65%) than men (41%) disapproved of the legalization of divorce. The higher the income level of the respondent the more likely he is to approve of divorce. ".

Infidelity as a gender issue. Data shows that marital infidelity is a major concern among Filipino married couples, especially in fast growing cities like Metro Manila or Iligan City. On the other hand, further observations show that this is largely a male gender phenomenon.-The guys used to visit pinayland have their own view about the infidelity of Pinay girls, as well as mine too. Here I want to pick my two experiences about two married girls I met in near time rather than stating my own opinion.

Example 1: This girl is of 38 have two shop in well fashioned Mall in Metro Manila. Have Chinese husband (in her words separated) paying all the bills for living, since his 8 yrs old kid living with her. She arrived in my hotel with two other friends, waited for me in the lobby. When they started to order their drinks I thought might be this night going to be a partying only without sex. In one moment she whispered me she want to go my room; once we entered in the room we jumped on each other and started hot kissing. We did everything just except the sex. Why? She told she is in her period even she asked me to check if I don't believe. But I did not because if someone not interested for sex I never insist nor do I try to convince. In my experience that could be most lousy sex that I don't want. Now the question is does she saving her pussy for her said husband who is paying all the household bills?

Example 2: This girl is a teacher in a govt school in Cebu as she said. Have kids and still living with her husband in same house but they don't do sex. She is the bread winner of the family and asked her husband to leave, but that never happened. Because her husband has no work and no place to stay. When she arrived in my hotel in Lapu Lapu, immediately we started the business. And I believed really she is super hungry for that and waiting for my arrival since from long time. She is reasonably pretty and has an unavoidable personality with warm appearance. She can keep a secret local lover easily but after our hot steamy days I strongly believed that she doesn't have. I would not say she is biased with her biological needs but have strong appeal. The question is what makes her stopping to have a secrete local lover since she have all the favorable circumstances.

[Sam 14]

<Snip> To assert, as some posters are inclined to do, that all filipinas are "fair game" is absolutely not true, certainly from my experience of living here for 20 years and working here for much of that.

I can honestly say that of the 100's of different women that I have worked with or encountered in my daily and sometimes provincial life, most are very correct and proper and would not entertain extra-curricular relationships.

As always, this is merely my considered opinion.I agree. In Davao, based on my few years of living there, I would say that at least 95% of girls that are at least reasonably young and attractive are untouchable by a foreigner. You can get anyone to text with you. But actually getting their pants off is another story. This bit about they will do anything to get out of poverty is a myth, IMO.

[Hootas]

Hi folks,

This will be my first time going to Angeles City and I thought I would take up Filipino Cupid beforehand. I went as far as paying for a 1 month membership just to see how far it would take me with the ladies. The biggest uncertainty I have encountered is the requirement to fill out the IMBRA form (International Marriage Broker Regulation Act). I do not have a checkered past, but this form seems so "governmental" and "lawful" that I am second guessing if I should proceed forward.

I attempted to perform a search, but the latest info I can find was dated back in early 2014 where the IMBRA was stated as being optional. If it were only that easy, I would know what to do.

Can you provide me any words of wisdom that can help me decide if this is a process I need to worry about?

I have no intentions of marrying any woman from this site, but I have every intention of marrying somebody in the future. Perhaps from a different country. Will this IMBRA come back to haunt me?

I value anonymity and so I am using one of my favorite aliases. Will I be thrown in jail for 30 years for falsifying information on this form? I'm exaggerating of course.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[Commonglass]

Did anyone follow the exploits of "Liz Montes," an artsy freelancer that chronicled her escorting on Facebook? Doll-like look. She would take pictures of herself in bed naked with sleeping clients and post them on her facebook page. She advertised there, asking if anyone wanted to "go for a walk. " Her pages got taken down a few times, but she usually reappeared under some variation of her name. Does anyone know where she is now?

[Chocha Monger]

Did anyone follow the exploits of "Liz Montes," an artsy freelancer that chronicled her escorting on Facebook? Doll-like look. She would take pictures of herself in bed naked with sleeping clients and post them on her facebook page. She advertised there, asking if anyone wanted to "go for a walk. " Her pages got taken down a few times, but she usually reappeared under some variation of her name. Does anyone know where she is now?She is a married monger's nightmare come through. Some of her clients probably did not appreciate her artsy nature after seeing themselves fast asleep on Facebook in post-coital bliss next to Liz Montes posing buck naked in a glorious beaver shot. It is quite possible one of those guys took Liz for a walk and she was never seen or heard from again.

[Hutsori]

Hi folks,

This will be my first time going to Angeles City and I thought I would take up Filipino Cupid beforehand. I went as far as paying for a 1 month membership just to see how far it would take me with the ladies. The biggest uncertainty I have encountered is the requirement to fill out the IMBRA form (International Marriage Broker Regulation Act). I do not have a checkered past, but this form seems so "governmental" and "lawful" that I am second guessing if I should proceed forward.

I attempted to perform a search, but the latest info I can find was dated back in early 2014 where the IMBRA was stated as being optional. If it were only that easy, I would know what to do.

Can you provide me any words of wisdom that can help me decide if this is a process I need to worry about?

I have no intentions of marrying any woman from this site, but I have every intention of marrying somebody in the future. Perhaps from a different country. Will this IMBRA come back to haunt me?

I value anonymity and so I am using one of my favorite aliases. Will I be thrown in jail for 30 years for falsifying information on this form? I'm exaggerating of course.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.You sure it's mandatory? I've been an on-and-off member for years - I cycle through the different sites - and have never been told to complete such a form. Perhaps this requirement is based or your nationality? This is me wildly guessing.

Read its TOS: "The Service is an internet information service that facilitates contact between members who may or may not be seeking friendship or a relationship. It is not a marriage brokering service, mail order bride service or a matchmaking service. The Company is under no obligation to broker any other member or members for you." Further: "This Website does not, and must not be taken to, in any way, aid, procure, promote or provide "mail order bride" marriage-matching services to its users. You acknowledge that the jurisdiction in which you reside may prohibit the advertisement of marriage-matching services or the solicitation of persons to partake in marriages. If you reside in the Philippines, Belarus or any such jurisdiction that prohibits marriage-matching services to its residents, you hereby warrant, represent and covenant that you will not use the Service or the Website for any purpose in breach of any legislation prohibiting marriage-matching.".

If I understand it correctly the IMBRA is for marriage brokers, which FC states it isn't; I think FC provides the link to the IMBRA info as an aid.

If it distresses you, then email them to ask for clarification or join another site like Pinalove.

[Hootas]

You sure it's mandatory? I've been an on-and-off member for years - I cycle through the different sites - and have never been told to complete such a form. Perhaps this requirement is based or your nationality? This is me wildly guessing...Yeah. It seems mandatory. Whenever I try to send or read a message, it defaults to the IMBRA form and does not provide the option to 'pass'. I'll probably proceed to quit FC to avoid the headache.

Thanks.

[Sam 14]

Just talked to a friend that register about two weeks ago from a Philippine IP. He wasn't required to complete that form. Maybe you checked a wrong box. I've been a member on and off for years also and was never required. I hope you can get your money back.

[Mua Tur]

I lost my virginity with FC for using of dating sites several years before. I admit it is on and off relation all along the time. No doubt that time was rookie but now not anymore.

But IMBRA! What is it?

[Hootas]

Just talked to a friend that register about two weeks ago from a Philippine IP. He wasn't required to complete that form. Maybe you checked a wrong box. I've been a member on and off for years also and was never required. I hope you can get your money back.I think the key that you highlight here is that your friend registered from a Philippine IP. I did so from a US IP. After touching down here in the Philippines, I attempted to change my profile settings saying I was from a different country, but still. No dice.

I sent an email to customer support and I'll let you all know the outcome.

[Hootas]

I think the key that you highlight here is that your friend registered from a Philippine IP. I did so from a US IP. After touching down here in the Philippines, I attempted to change my profile settings saying I was from a different country, but still. No dice.

I sent an email to customer support and I'll let you all know the outcome.Here is the verdict:

"Please be advised that it is stated on the upgrade membership page that "If you are. A US resident you agree to complete the IMBRA Safety Information Form prior to. Contacting foreign nationals. ". By clicking "Make Payment", you accept the Terms. And Conditions, Refund Policy and agree to complete the IMBRA Safety. Information Form. "

I never read the fine print and even if I did, would not have known the IMBRA was something that appeared to be so official. Darn it! Still don't know if the form is something that is added to my US governmental profile which is my main concern. In other words, I don't want to "directly" provide the government with some my questionable leisurely activities.

Live and learn and hopefully useful info for fellas down the road.

[X Man]

Great BJ from a DIA gal. She also introduced me to a friend. The only negative was that she pestered me with follow up texts. This was in AC, BTW.

[Member #4643]

I love "Date in Asia" because it is so easy to arrange liaisons with pretty Filipinas, the majority of whom are willing to have sex without any promises of money or marriage within 15 minutes of arrival at my hotel. But, they are all expecting something in return for their generosity, and any mention of sex or money while chatting online is grounds for being deleted by the "administrator" (which in truth is a computer algorithm). In fact, I have been deleted from Date in Asia twice, and it's a pain to get back on.

Are there any Filipino dating sites where one can discuss things freely (I am not worried about IMBRA as I would never sign up for a marriage brokerage service)? I don't really need to spell out how much I will pay a lady for spending the afternoon with me, but I would like to say things like, "Do you like having oral sex?" and "I am a generous man", etc, etc. These statements might both get one disqualified from DIA.

In truth, its not really necessary to ask these questions as in my experience, any girl that agrees to come up to my hotel room is almost certain to agree to sex (I have never been refused), but its annoying not to be able to discuss things freely.

Your experiences would be welcome.

Thanks, F.

[KrisMonger]

I love "Date in Asia" because it is so easy to arrange liaisons with pretty Filipinas, the majority of whom are willing to have sex without any promises of money or marriage within 15 minutes of arrival at my hotel. But, they are all expecting something in return for their generosity, and any mention of sex or money while chatting online is grounds for being deleted by the "administrator" (which in truth is a computer algorithm). In fact, I have been deleted from Date in Asia twice, and it's a pain to get back on.

Are there any Filipino dating sites where one can discuss things freely (I am not worried about IMBRA as I would never sign up for a marriage brokerage service)? I don't really need to spell out how much I will pay a lady for spending the afternoon with me, but I would like to say things like, "Do you like having oral sex?" and "I am a generous man", etc, etc. These statements might both get one disqualified from DIA.

In truth, its not really necessary to ask these questions as in my experience, any girl that agrees to come up to my hotel room is almost certain to agree to sex (I have never been refused), but its annoying not to be able to discuss things freely.

Your experiences would be welcome.

Thanks, F.Another thing that I noticed is this. First time I got kicked out because I mentioned wechat in my message back to a girl. When you get kicked out. DIA also puts your phone number on a block list -so creating another profile with same phone doesn't work. Second time, I got kicked out because the computer actually recognized that I am uploading the photo of an already blocked user. Interesting algorithms.

If anyone has a way around this phone number issue. I would love to hear that!

Kris.

[Mr Enternational]

I love "Date in Asia" because it is so easy to arrange liaisons with pretty Filipinas, the majority of whom are willing to have sex without any promises of money or marriage within 15 minutes of arrival at my hotel. But, they are all expecting something in return for their generosity, and any mention of sex or money while chatting online is grounds for being deleted by the "administrator" (which in truth is a computer algorithm). In fact, I have been deleted from Date in Asia twice, and it's a pain to get back on.

Are there any Filipino dating sites where one can discuss things freely (I am not worried about IMBRA as I would never sign up for a marriage brokerage service)? I don't really need to spell out how much I will pay a lady for spending the afternoon with me, but I would like to say things like, "Do you like having oral sex?" and "I am a generous man", etc, etc. These statements might both get one disqualified from DIA.

In truth, its not really necessary to ask these questions as in my experience, any girl that agrees to come up to my hotel room is almost certain to agree to sex (I have never been refused), but its annoying not to be able to discuss things freely.

Your experiences would be welcome.

Thanks, F.First, why is a mutal sexual exchange looked at as a woman's generosity? Second, why not move to whatsapp, line, viber or whatever after you have encountered the person on the website? Then you can talk about what you want to talk about. I don't waste time going back and forth on dating sites. Once I make initial contact I ask if she has one of the apps that I mentioned.

[Mua Tur]

I love "Date in Asia" because it is so easy to arrange liaisons with pretty Filipinas, the majority of whom are willing to have sex without any promises of money or marriage within 15 minutes of arrival at my hotel. But, they are all expecting something in return for their generosity, and any mention of sex or money while chatting online is grounds for being deleted by the "administrator" (which in truth is a computer algorithm). In fact, I have been deleted from Date in Asia twice, and it's a pain to get back on.

Are there any Filipino dating sites where one can discuss things freely (I am not worried about IMBRA as I would never sign up for a marriage brokerage service)? I don't really need to spell out how much I will pay a lady for spending the afternoon with me, but I would like to say things like, "Do you like having oral sex?" and "I am a generous man", etc, etc. These statements might both get one disqualified from DIA.

In truth, its not really necessary to ask these questions as in my experience, any girl that agrees to come up to my hotel room is almost certain to agree to sex (I have never been refused), but its annoying not to be able to discuss things freely.

Your experiences would be welcome.

Thanks, F.It is true any one could be eliminated for the violation of DIA rules. For one more reason can be eliminated too if anyone raise the flag against the user and that found true. Once eliminated than it will be difficult to make another handle using same IP. Even same profile pic may cause eliminated again.

But one point need to mention here that why someone use DIA for detail chatting! There are lots of apps available these days for frequent chatting. Smartphones are used by every girls and using all kind of apps they are in need. Once connected in DIA than just bring them in available apps they are using. But being a smart user you need to make sure all the apps are available in your own phone. Because you don't know what apps going to be prescribed by the girl. Generally one number used for all apps; it mean once you get the girls phone number you can find easily all the apps are using by the girl.

[CallSign Papa]

Even same profile pic may cause eliminated again.
This is unfortunately true. I recently got banned for using the word "damn" in one of my messages, as in "damn you're pretty". I argued back and forth with the moderators but apparently they have blackflag keyword list and if you fall foul of it, you're done.

I then re-registered, on a different IP, using a different phone number, a new email account and a completed new profile (I had cleared all cookies before doing all of this), but neglected to realise one of the photos I used was in the profile that was banned and within minutes I was again banned.

I then went through the same process, again using different IP / Phone / email and this time took new photos. This seems to have done the trick, but now I have to be super careful what I write to girls.

I personally find OK Cupid a better interface but DIA has the numbers.

[CallSign Papa]

This seems to have done the trick, but now I have to be super careful what I write to girls.Ignore that. An hour later I was blocked again, before I could even send a message. Cocksuckers.

[Mua Tur]

Ignore that. An hour later I was blocked again, before I could even send a message. Cocksuckers.You forget DIA is a free site. It's their choice whom they allow be in games.

[Omega 3]

Ignore that. An hour later I was blocked again, before I could even send a message. Cocksuckers.Same thing happened to me a couple of years ago. Was trying DIA for the first time, and thought my communications were fairly innocuous, but apparently was communicating with too many correspondents (was up to 40, I think) or else was the victim of complaints (had, I thought politely, rebuffed a couple of LB who tried to communicate with me, should have just ignored them) and was abruptly shut down after less than a week. Should have got email addresses or cell numbers first, but did not.

Used a new IPad and new legend, etc, to try to sign up again, but was unsuccessful. Never tried again, don't need the aggravation.

DIA should subcontract to the other DIA or to NSA!

OM.

[Member #4643]

If anyone has a way around this phone number issue. I would love to hear that!

Kris.Use another cell phone, perhaps that of a mate or buy an unlocked phone for travel. Whenever you are on the road and purchase a local SIM, sign up for DIA. I have done both of these.

www.pinalove.com seems to allow unrestricted chatter.

As for the apps, I can never keep the different girls straight on them. Instead of a list of photos, I get a list of phone numbers, some of which feature children, cats, food etc. And at the very minimum, one needs whatsapp, viber, messenger and Line. I prefer to keep the DIA site void of the ones I reject and have 6-10 women in play, with their photos, at any one time.

[Mua Tur]

www.pinalove.com seems to allow unrestricted chatter.
There are more unrestricted, free dating sites like Tagged, Hi5 and dating apps for phone etc. But DIA is the best. Just because DIA have rules and screening process. So we can have relatively level maintaining more girls. Unrestricted sites are providing uncensored girls and difficult to find girls as your taste. Mostly are professional, far away with the meaning of dates. They are using these sites for earning money. More chances to be disappointed after meet, while spending good money and effort. The big pain is wasting of time while we are in visit.

[CallSign Papa]

Not sure if this is done thing on this board, but I notice this girl pop up on Pina Love. Funny thing was, her friend recommended her to be because she's supposedly an anal queen. I never got around to meeting her but we chatted a little bit on Facebook.

Imagine my surprise when two weeks after she was asking to meet, he posted photos of her wedding to a Brazilian chap, who judging by the snaps seemed like a decent chap.

Imagine my surprise again when I bumped into her profile on PL, anyway, here it is for those interested, if it's not the done thing let me know and I'll remove it:

https://www.pinalove.com/latina96

[Red Kilt]

Imagine my surprise again when I bumped into her profile on PL, anyway, here it is for those interested, if it's not the done thing let me know and I'll remove it:
Big Brazilian butt. Sounds like there could be too much untold drama under the surface here CSP.

Maybe you did well to give her a miss.

[Hutsori]

www.pinalove.com seems to allow unrestricted chatter.
I think this may have changed recently re photo attachments. Before I could send and receive nudes, but 5 days ago I sent one of my cock, which was requested by the recipient, and it was blacked out. Not deleted. Just black. I examined my dick to make sure some type of witchcraft hadn't been used against me, and I found to my relief no changes.

And speaking of PL, I received three very pleasant messages filled with compliments from the same girl today.


Hi _______ you are so poetic wherr did you learn that so mysterious marvelouse wonderful words are you a writer or an artist l like you very much you are fantastic you have a great imagination l havent read one like this bafore you make my day thank you


I supposed you are an actor in a theater engineer with a poetic imagination great imagination that someone cant be visualize


Well l want tomeet you mr relevant and awesome gentlemanFor being a girl over 75 years old, she doesn't look a day over 64. I suppose what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

But I think it's not meant to be. Reading her profile I found this mismatch:

Want children - Maybe.

I appreciate she's willing the consider having more children at the end of her life, but I'm not ready to have the 'little ones running around.

Shucks.

[X Man]

I finally found a honest AC gal on DIA.

"I need a man that can give all to me".

[FreebieFan]

As for the apps, I can never keep the different girls straight on them. Instead of a list of photos, I get a list of phone numbers, some of which feature children, cats, food etc. And at the very minimum, one needs whatsapp, viber, messenger and Line. I prefer to keep the DIA site void of the ones I reject and have 6-10 women in play, with their photos, at any one time.Its a complicated world we now live in. I recently installed all the chatting apps on my pc so I can continue the chat whilst I travel and work. They mirror the phone chat sites ie wechat / viber / what's app. However in Imo. The girls names are totally different to the ones I have saved them on, on my phone. So for instance Andrea 25 student QC Big susu. Has suddenly become Anita Fuentes eg. I have no idea who is who. Will probably be sending the wrong messages to the wrong person, but that's kinda normal and can have some unexpectedly good results.

But its another good reason for keeping a family and work phone that is TOTALLY separate to the " PLAYGIRLS " phone.

[BrainDrain]

Well I have now found myself with active accounts of.

Facebook = 4.

Gmail = 3.

Wechat = 3.

Viber = 2.

Pinalove = 2.

Tagged = 1.

Australian phone numbers = 2.

Philippine numbers = 3.

ISG = 1 (2 retired / lost access).

What happens is I want to tidy things up so I delete whatever active Pina or Tagged account I have but by then I've already inherited a few interesting girls onto the FB profiles. I go through a few of them, but then there is always one I promise myself I will see her next time. So I end up just keeping them all a little active and drip feeding.

Now, I need to get another PL account, which means another email account which means another FB account.

Gmail seems be tightening up now and requiring a confirmation phone number. Which means another phone number.

Elsewhere I've mentioned that each time when I leave RP I throw away a SIM and burn those contacts.

What strategies are other people using?

[Member #4591]

Well I have now found myself with active accounts of.

Facebook = 4.

Gmail = 3.

Wechat = 3.

Viber = 2.

Pinalove = 2.

Tagged = 1.

Australian phone numbers = 2.

Philippine numbers = 3.

ISG = 1 (2 retired / lost access).

What happens is I want to tidy things up so I delete whatever active Pina or Tagged account I have but by then I've already inherited a few interesting girls onto the FB profiles. I go through a few of them, but then there is always one I promise myself I will see her next time. So I end up just keeping them all a little active and drip feeding.

Now, I need to get another PL account, which means another email account which means another FB account.

Gmail seems be tightening up now and requiring a confirmation phone number. Which means another phone number.

Elsewhere I've mentioned that each time when I leave RP I throw away a SIM and burn those contacts.

What strategies are other people using?As far as I understand, you can use the same phone number for multiple Gmail accounts. Secondly, if I were you, I would keep it more simple. 1 we chat for phills with no moments activated. One Facebook and set the settings where no one can post or see your friends list. DIA I think is bettter than PL and its completely free. Screw tagged and viber as they seem to be less popular, try Badoo.

[Mua Tur]

Gmail seems be tightening up now and requiring a confirmation phone number. Which means another phone number.
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What strategies are other people using?Still Gmail can be open with out phone number.

Still DIA is the best.

Happy hunting.

[BrainDrain]

As far as I understand, you can use the same phone number for multiple Gmail accounts. Secondly, if I were you, I would keep it more simple. 1 we chat for phills with no moments activated. One Facebook and set the settings where no one can post or see your friends list. DIA I think is bettter than PL and its completely free. Screw tagged and viber as they seem to be less popular, try Badoo.The issue is I have too much fun and learn too much from multiple FB accounts where I will often have the some of the same pinay on the three different accounts. I learn so much about how much they lie and will misinform through their messages.

One FB account will be told the pinay is "In a class", meanwhile she is 1,000 kms in my bed. That screws with your brain when you are back in your home country and you are the one being told she is "in a class".

The other day one told me (whom I was reasonably close with) that she was moving house. The FB pics that she shared with the other accounts showed her on a beach with friends and other foreigners. Ouch.

Really sad to see next week's girl has restarted her profile on PL this week. That has really confused me.

They really have no loyalty and play the game just as well as we do.

BD.

[Member #4591]

The issue is I have too much fun and learn too much from multiple FB accounts where I will often have the some of the same pinay on the three different accounts. I learn so much about how much they lie and will misinform through their messages.

One FB account will be told the pinay is "In a class", meanwhile she is 1,000 kms in my bed. That screws with your brain when you are back in your home country and you are the one being told she is "in a class".

The other day one told me (whom I was reasonably close with) that she was moving house. The FB pics that she shared with the other accounts showed her on a beach with friends and other foreigners. Ouch.

Really sad to see next week's girl has restarted her profile on PL this week. That has really confused me.

They really have no loyalty and play the game just as well as we do.

BD.Some interesting stories. These Filipino girls are not as smart as their Thai counterparts. I'm planning a trip to Cebu for my birthday at the end of May. I'm trying to make some contacts on DIA. I have come across girls who say they have normal jobs but show pics on their facebooks with bar uniforms with those buttons with their number on. No attempt to hide it. I tell them I don't care if you work in a bar, I just want to get to know you. They go through their whole routine about wanting a serious relationship for what? I've heard this next story 3 times just today. The girl is accessing DIA supposedly from her broken phone that can't install apps or an Internet cafe. Trying to hit me up for about $35 to fix their phones so they can video chat with me. I never got this mess when talking with Thai girls online. It makes me get annoyed so quickly. How do you guys deal with all their bullshit?

[WestCoast1]

Trying to hit me up for about $35 to fix their phones so they can video c:hat with me. I never got this mess when talking with Thai girls online. It makes me get annoyed so quickly. How do you guys deal with all their bullshit?Begging is part of the culture. The best bet for not dealing with it is to not deal with it. Just tell her: sorry, I never send money to someone I've not spent time with. Or better yet, the moment a girl does ask, cut her off, add her to your 'ignore' (or block) list and never speak to her again (don't tell her you are doing that, it just causes an argument); there are so many fish to choose from that you don't need the beggars.

[X Man]

Holly Shmolly WC, why would anyone block such a girl? Are you trying to save the naughty ones just for yourself? Questionable morals in a gal is very attractive to me.


SNIP

Or better yet, the moment a girl does ask, cut her off, add her to your 'ignore' (or block) list and never speak to her again (don't tell her you are doing that, it just causes an argument); there are so many fish to choose from that you don't need the beggars.

[Pinaypounder]

Well I have now found myself with active accounts of.

Facebook = 4.

Gmail = 3.

Wechat = 3.

Viber = 2.

Pinalove = 2.

Tagged = 1.

Australian phone numbers = 2.

Philippine numbers = 3.

ISG = 1 (2 retired / lost access)...Karma is a *****, I have 1 Tagged, 1 DIA 1 phone # and more women that I can shake a stick at.

I don't lie, I am single and direct, why bother with all the wasted time and treachery!

Try being nice and honest and you will be amazed how many fuck you for simply that reason.

PP.

[Pinaypounder]

The majority of the Filipinos disapprove of extramarital relations. Guerrero (1995) notes a large majority of the Filipinos (88 percent of the 1,200 respondents nationwide) disapproved of extramarital relations. In another survey, Acuna (1997) reports that a large majority (81%) of respondents disapproved of single parenthood among women. Ninety-six percent of the respondents (N:1,200 nationwide survey) disapproved of extramarital relations (Daylo-Laylo and Montelibano 2000; de Vera 1976). Ninety to ninety two percent of the women (N: 1,200 nationwide) consider maintaining a mistress, being a mistress, being a prostitute or using a prostitute, cheating on spouse as wrong (McCann, 1996). The disapproval (6 out of 10 youth) of marital infidelity is confirmed (N:900 nationwide)(McCann, 2000). Casuga (1996) observes that compared to other countries, Filipinos still do not think divorce is the solution to a bad marriage (Disagree: 47%; Agree: 39 %; and: 1, 200). In contrast, most "countries do not believe that having a bad marriage is better than no marriage at all. "

The data reflects a strong disapproval of extramarital relationships and at present, a strong disapproval of divorce as a way out of a bad marriage. Vancio (1977) notes a difference in approval of divorce among high or low-income level Filipinos. He observes: "More women (65%) than men (41%) disapproved of the legalization of divorce. The higher the income level of the respondent the more likely he is to approve of divorce. ".

Infidelity as a gender issue. Data shows that marital infidelity is a major concern among Filipino married couples, especially in fast growing cities like Metro Manila or Iligan City...Having chatted thousands, done months of business there, fucked hundreds I am confident 99% of the men cheat and 75% of the women!

[Red Kilt]

I just took a look at pinalove again after many months away.

I was amazed by the same old faces and profiles that are still there after 2 or 3 years. Same photos. Same funny lines.

I also discovered that 3 girls (out of 6 contacted) are still putting an incorrect place of residence.

One in Davao del Sur is in Manila; one in Davao del Norte actually lives in Cebu and one who put Manila is actually in Romblon. I told each of them that I was blocking them because they must be scammers if they won't report their place of residence honestly. Lots of protestations that it was a mistake or they will change it etc.

I have warned guys about this before. Always establish exactly where a woman is situated before you move to Step 2. It's now my mode of operation.

The second error is always in their height and weight. Most have no idea. There is a surprising number of 4 ft 6 ins girls on PL who also weigh much more than their pic shows. Very rare for women to be that small.

[Ms Account]

Was talking to a girl I met off one of the dating sites and she tells me most of her friends are mainly using Tinder now. I have not heard a lot of feedback here about Tinder in the Philippines. It is extremely popular with the 20+ generation in Australia. But how would it work in Philippines. You would have to put your address as the Philippines otherwise you would not appear in a Filipino girls swipe list? Anyone using it?

[Mr Enternational]

Was talking to a girl I met off one of the dating sites and she tells me most of her friends are mainly using Tinder now. I have not heard a lot of feedback here about Tinder in the Philippines. It is extremely popular with the 20+ generation in Australia. But how would it work in Philippines. You would have to put your address as the Philippines otherwise you would not appear in a Filipino girls swipe list? Anyone using it?You do not put your address into Tinder. It runs from your facebook and automatically searches the location where you are with your device at the present moment. Only if you pay for it then can you alter the location.

[Mr Enternational]

I just took a look at pinalove again after many months away.

I was amazed by the same old faces and profiles that are still there after 2 or 3 years. Same photos. Same funny lines.2 or 3 years? I have been on latinamericancupid for 12 years and plentyoffish for a little less than that and have seen the same chicks active with the same pics the entire time. 2 or 3 years is nothing compared to that. These days I am riding in the same boat on many of the dating apps. I probably have not changed mine in 5 years. What is important is making initial contact. You can exchange updated pics when you switch over from the dating app to a chat app to talk.

[Red Kilt]

2 or 3 years? I have been on latinamericancupid for 12 years and plentyoffish for a little less than that and have seen the same chicks active with the same pics the entire time. 2 or 3 years is nothing compared to that. These days I am riding in the same boat on many of the dating apps. I probably have not changed mine in 5 years. What is important is making initial contact. You can exchange updated pics when you switch over from the dating app to a chat app to talk.I have no doubt you are right about other dating apps too MrE but I wasn't doing any comparison. I was merely commenting on my observation that the same girls were still there with the same profile and pics.

A couple of the really hot ones still have their same pics too after 3 years so no doubt they are doing very well out of the pinalove business model. I know one girl listed in Makati is a high class call girl with her own apartment so obviously she uses PL as an option for the slow days. There is no way you can tell her real profession from her profile EXCEPT when you see her classy expensive clothes and shoes and the background is quite lush. Only when you start chatting with her do you get the sales spiel.

These girls rely on newcomers to the sites to hit them up and establish contact (as Mr E says). Regular observers like me just click on past the old tried and true ones.

[Red Kilt]

I think a lot of guys must start chatting online with girls much too early before they come to the Philippines.

I have had several girls in the past week express surprise (and then delight) to know that I am ACTUALLY in Manila right now.

Upon further discussion, these girls all said that most guys online all talk about meeting them some vague time "in the future" and that rarely happens, so the girls get really disillusioned about all the hollow and fake promises that they are given.

My advice would be for guys to be really low key in initial chats. If you have a definite date for your visit then tell them when (no need to be too exact. Like early in May or last week in June is OK) and they will be OK. Even better advice is to contact them a day or so before leaving home with an "I'll be there next week" line. Even better still, wait until you're in your hotel room and then hit up your random targets with a "I am here in Makati / Malate / Pasay / Davao / Cebu now and I wonder if we could meet".

Chances are they will drop everything and meet you within the hour (or two!

[BrainDrain]

I think a lot of guys must start chatting online with girls much too early before they come to the Philippines.Have to agree with this. Actually being in the country is a huge bonus and sometimes the girls don't believe it. There are so many keyboard warriors living out their fantasies through the chat rooms just to wake the next morning and go to their day job that will never take them to RP.

I find that 1-2 weeks is enough time. The key questions to determine are the girls players or newbies, in the city they say, not ladyboys and can actually communicate.

There is one girl operating on Pinalove Pampanga that I made the mistake of adding and giving my cp#. Her entire conversation once she had my number was something like "Meet up? "Let's meet" etc.

I do think though that it does take more than a week to get down to the subset of girls that will be good. More than two week and the conversation runs out.

BD.

[Red Kilt]

Actually being in the country is a huge bonus and sometimes the girls don't believe it. There are so many keyboard warriors living out their fantasies through the chat rooms just to wake the next morning and go to their day job that will never take them to RP.
That's an insightful comment BD, and verified by many online chat friends.

There must be 100's of guys who use the opportunity to engage in fantasies through chats with women online in order to say things they could never or have never said to a woman in person.

From what I am told, so many guys spin amazing tales and make all manner of promises about meeting up etc and then, after a week or two, they disappear never to be heard from again.

It makes the online women very wary and skeptical on one hand but, on the other, when they know they have a "live" warm body actually in the country they get all enthusiastic.

[X Man]

RK,

Some good points here. I don't disagree with you or BD but I have some caveats. Just looking at things from the overseas guy point of view as opposed to your ex-pat status.

I don't promise a meeting at some "vague" time unless I really like the gal. But, it will be vague. I prefer not to meet a gal at the airport.

As for online communication, I ask at least one question in every post. I might tell her about my day / work / situation, and include a question. A common, yet unfortunate reply is, "I'm fine, how about you?

Asking two questions might be a better strategy, since you might get one answer. Short or superficial responses from her might mean a busy girl, or might mean a poor education, or a lack of interest. One word answers are common and that often means I've lost interest.

And I often take your advice about a message to the gal when I'm in 'her' location. This has worked fantastically well at times. But I've also received the response, "in province", or a week later, "I had no load". If she has no load, you can always call. In a few cases I sent a twenty peso load to her phone just to see what would happen. Results were mixed.


I think a lot of guys must start chatting online with girls much too early before they come to the Philippines.

I have had several girls in the past week express surprise (and then delight) to know that I am ACTUALLY in Manila right now.

Upon further discussion, these girls all said that most guys online all talk about meeting them some vague time "in the future" and that rarely happens, so the girls get really disillusioned about all the hollow and fake promises that they are given..

[Roxxx99]

Hi,

Wanted to pick your collective brains on what some of the comments is pinalove profiles really mean.

I've noticed a lot of profiles the girls say they are "simple" - what does that actually mean?

Also, a lot say "accept me for what I am" - is this saying they are ladyboys, or something else?

Grateful for your thoughts, going to be in Manila next week, and have some leads from pina love, so want to be sure I know what I'm letting myself in for!

[TJ222]

Hi,

Wanted to pick your collective brains on what some of the comments is pinalove profiles really mean.

I've noticed a lot of profiles the girls say they are "simple" - what does that actually mean?

Also, a lot say "accept me for what I am" - is this saying they are ladyboys, or something else?

Grateful for your thoughts, going to be in Manila next week, and have some leads from pina love, so want to be sure I know what I'm letting myself in for!I believe the whole "simple" thing is kind of like humble. They are saying they are just a normal every day type person, maybe only high school educated, work an entry level job, etc.

[X Man]

Tijuana has already given you a good answer to the "simple" question. I once asked the same question. If I recall, the answer I got was that the family is fairly poor. But you can see the "humble" behavior even among wealthier Asians. I once hear a Japanese woman say something like, "Here, these cookies are not very good, but I baked them for you."

As for your second question, it's easy to think that the "accept me" comment is some kind of hint about something odd or different. It's not.

Enjoy your trip. Hope you can find time for a trip report.


Hi,

Wanted to pick your collective brains on what some of the comments is pinalove profiles really mean.

I've noticed a lot of profiles the girls say they are "simple" - what does that actually mean?

Also, a lot say "accept me for what I am" - is this saying they are ladyboys, or something else?

Grateful for your thoughts, going to be in Manila next week, and have some leads from pina love, so want to be sure I know what I'm letting myself in for!.

[Omega 3]

Hi,

Wanted to pick your collective brains on what some of the comments is pinalove profiles really mean.

I've noticed a lot of profiles the girls say they are "simple" - what does that actually mean?

Also, a lot say "accept me for what I am" - is this saying they are ladyboys, or something else?

Grateful for your thoughts, going to be in Manila next week, and have some leads from pina love, so want to be sure I know what I'm letting myself in for!"Simple" as naive, or not having a lot of (sexual) experience, and not familiar with worldly wiles. Used as a description of a perceived female virtue. In the Phils especially, many men are seen to prefer a "simple" woman who has not had too much sexual experience with other men. However, bear in mind that a scheming woman obviously can lie, and can falsely claim that she is simple. Don't automatically believe the printed word. Be benevolent, but keep your powder dry.

"Accept me for what I am" almost always code for transgender (LB).

Good luck!

OM.

[Wicked Roger]

Hi,

Wanted to pick your collective brains on what some of the comments is pinalove profiles really mean.

I've noticed a lot of profiles the girls say they are "simple" - what does that actually mean?

Also, a lot say "accept me for what I am" - is this saying they are ladyboys, or something else?

Grateful for your thoughts, going to be in Manila next week, and have some leads from pina love, so want to be sure I know what I'm letting myself in for!Many interpretations of this and a RTFF would have given you some clues and hints to how this means as well what to prior to any dating site meeting.

PM me for more.

[BrainDrain]

I've noticed a lot of profiles the girls say they are "simple" - what does that actually mean?For me this one means they do not have a good education or job prospects. They could very well be the most faithful and caring person a man could ever hope to meet. Certainly continue the conversation.



Also, a lot say "accept me for what I am" - is this saying they are ladyboys, or something else?
For me, this 'usually' means ladyboy, if in doubt just ask. It can also mean that they have kids, elderly parents, cannot change their life.

These could also just be a comments they have have copied from another profile. Just ask questions and converse. They are just simple girls.

I will often have some conversations and mis-understandings with filipina. Remember that maturity is different. Consider deducting 5-6 years from their physical age to determine their emotional age. So a 20 year old filipina has the emotional / relationship age of a 15 year old. She basically will not have the emotional resource or experience to deal with some of the issues we present. If in doubt ask her what are her favourite movies and past times.

BD.

[Red Kilt]

"Accept me for what I am" almost always code for transgender (LB).. . . I know you said "almost always" Om I but I will offer alternatives. Although it is clear that this "code" is used by transgender persons I suggest that it is used much more widely than that.

This topic came up on the board previously and I took it upon myself to ask a sample of women what they meant by it.

Every one of the 12 who responded were 100% women with kids, and the pics were obvious too.

10 of the 12 said that "accept me for what I am" means that they are a woman with kids and so they are saddled with that responsibility.

Six of them also said they used it because they saw it used by others.

One said she used it because she was single and "old" (she was 36).

I just did a very quick search on pinalove, and in 10 minutes I saw the phrase used in 5 separate profiles by women who also said they had kids, were looking for "serious" and were clearly well-domesticated in their responses. They were also older women (more than 30).

I have my profile set to block lady boys so I don't need to deal with that problem.

One comment in profiles that always makes me laugh is "I love to cook and clean the house".

They are obviously targeting a specific profile of potential male partners.

[Omega 3]

I know you said "almost always" Om I but I will offer alternatives. Although it is clear that this "code" is used by transgender persons I suggest that it is used much more widely than that.

This topic came up on the board previously and I took it upon myself to ask a sample of women what they meant by it.

Every one of the 12 who responded were 100% women with kids, and the pics were obvious too.

10 of the 12 said that "accept me for what I am" means that they are a woman with kids and so they are saddled with that responsibility.

Six of them also said they used it because they saw it used by others.

One said she used it because she was single and "old" (she was 36).

I just did a very quick search on pinalove, and in 10 minutes I saw the phrase used in 5 separate profiles by women who also said they had kids, were looking for "serious" and were clearly well-domesticated in their responses.Thank you, RK. Good observations. You have broadened my views!

OM.

[Sam 14]

Means "I'm poor" too. Or chubby. Or not as pretty as my sister. They always say that, it could mean anything. Filipinas blow my mind. All these little things they do is like in their DNA. They don't have to follow anyone or copy anyone, and it don't matter if they are in General Santos or Laoag City. Ever gotten a text from a new number and it just says "Hai how are you"?

[FreebieFan]

I believe the whole "simple" thing is kind of like humble. They are saying they are just a normal every day type person, maybe only high school educated, work an entry level job, etc.I've done the same research as others who have spent considerable time there, and aside from the standard " normal person, not into discos, nightlife, don't smoke don't drink etc " I've also been advised that it might mean I don't wear make up (powder only lang) and would probably be uncomfortable with wearing a bikini. Flat shoes only.

Simple, clearly has a variety of meanings to different ladies and perhaps unpretentious, not showy, natural with no enhancements or added extras might capture it best.

They may be harder to convince in the short term, but once you turn one of these into a girl who is gagging for you and yours, its perhaps a far better return than the P4 P ladies, at least for those of us who enjoy the GFE.

[Wazoo]

I have a ticklish situation here. I met a really beautiful girl on a dating site a couple of months ago. I didn't expect her to be so intelligent and internet savvy. Using only a few tiny clues from my profile and conversation, she uncovered pretty much my whole life story. She knows my job and even got to my wife's facebook account. We have chatted quite a lot and she says she is in love with me. She can be incredibly devoted and selfless in relationships. Based on accounts of her past, I know she also gets jealous and has a vindictive streak. I've thought it best to ease away from her gently. If this thing is going to blow up, there's limited fallout that can come from just chatting as opposed to actually meeting her. I also need to keep her from feeling jilted. I want to tell her that I've had to cancel my trip. She's extremely smart and perceptive, and probably will want to chat on viber during my trip time to confirm I'm not really there. I'm wondering if there's any way a chat mate can figure out your location from viber. Do you experienced members have any other advice how to handle this?

In the past I always had a credible backstory about my bio that I used for chatmates--fake job, different city, different family situation. I got a little lax this time after I got to know them better. Word to the wise to be vigilant.

[Roxxx99]

Much appreciate the responses to my earlier post. I have RTFF extensively, but you can't beat a straight answer to a straight question!

Really looking forward to my first time in Manila. Only going to be in town for 3 nights, and already have a large number of options from pina, ranging from those who want to be in love, to those who want a night in a nice hotel with some action thrown in.

And then I've got to try and fit in LAC, EDSA and P Burgos. Not enough time!

[Shark5]

Means "I'm poor" too. Or chubby. Or not as pretty as my sister. They always say that, it could mean anything. Filipinas blow my mind. All these little things they do is like in their DNA. They don't have to follow anyone or copy anyone, and it don't matter if they are in General Santos or Laoag City. Ever gotten a text from a new number and it just says "Hai how are you"?Very true and good points. As far as getting random texts, it happens all the time. When you text back most say they just want a text mate. Goes on for a while then they finally ask for a load!

[Sam 14]

Using only a few tiny clues from my profile and conversation, she uncovered pretty much my whole life story. She knows my job and even got to my wife's facebook account... Snip.. I've thought it best to ease away from her gently.. Snip.. Do you experienced members have any other advice how to handle this?

First figure out how to get into your wife's account and block her. Then tell her goodbye, sorry, you fucked up. Then block her on all your accounts. Do it now. That's my suggestion.

[Member #4558]

Wazoo; it's easy to get to relaxed sometimes. You must in one way or another block her from your wife account. Until that's done there are nothing you can do to just fill her up with lies. After that's done you have to block her off from every other app or site you befriended her through.

I don't think viber have positioning service. I wouldn't know bcs all my life after I was amongst the first one to switch off all electrical positioning eqp. I have always been sort of a private guy atleast that's why I tell my GF.

Learning points; interacting with girls you want to play with create an all in alter ego, both through real life stories and in cyber. For cyber that means fake everything, add in a fake FB, have a hidden monger phone for playmate contacts. Don't ever mix your real life with your mongering one.

[Mbsl65]

Viber discloses the location of you unless you turn off the future. Other apps do too. Just be careful. Also many of the girls do work for the call centers and they do support USA based companies. If you are chatting with a girl and she is based in Cebu City area and she is a call center agent or BPO, most likely she may have access to some of your private information based on your purchases.

Delta, Amex, Chase Morgan, Charter Communications, United Health Care, SiriusXM and many others are operational in Cebu City and Manila. I am sure you maybe a customer one of several of them. So, another good idea is to stay away from the call center workers.


I have a ticklish situation here. I met a really beautiful girl on a dating site a couple of months ago. I didn't expect her to be so intelligent and internet savvy. Using only a few tiny clues from my profile and conversation, she uncovered pretty much my whole life story. She knows my job and even got to my wife's facebook account. We have chatted quite a lot and she says she is in love with me. She can be incredibly devoted and selfless in relationships. Based on accounts of her past, I know she also gets jealous and has a vindictive streak. I've thought it best to ease away from her gently. If this thing is going to blow up, there's limited fallout that can come from just chatting as opposed to actually meeting her. I also need to keep her from feeling jilted. I want to tell her that I've had to cancel my trip. She's extremely smart and perceptive, and probably will want to chat on viber during my trip time to confirm I'm not really there. I'm wondering if there's any way a chat mate can figure out your location from viber. Do you experienced members have any other advice how to handle this?

In the past I always had a credible backstory about my bio that I used for chatmates--fake job, different city, different family situation. I got a little lax this time after I got to know them better. Word to the wise to be vigilant.

[Makeupaname]

I have a ticklish situation here. I met a really beautiful girl on a dating site a couple of months ago. I didn't expect her to be so intelligent and internet savvy. Using only a few tiny clues from my profile and conversation, she uncovered pretty much my whole life story. Can you give us a clue as to how she did this? So we can avoid the same issue.

[Wazoo]

Can you give us a clue as to how she did this? So we can avoid the same issue.Thanks for all the good advice here. I had no idea about the access call center girls have. Also good to hear about viber. Usually I have a fake backstory I use, with a fake career, city, etc. I've used the story so long it's almost second nature and I don't get tripped up. For some reason I can't explain, I slipped to the wrong person. I told her my real line of work and she figured out my state of residence. She picked out a building in one of my profile pics and did some creative Google image searching until she found one that matched it. It was near my place of work. Using that location, she was able to match up my company with the location. After that, she was able to get a company bio, and the rest came easy after that. She makes her living on the internet, searching out hard to find products not available in the Philippines. She is very intelligent and her searching skills are uncanny. It was all a big game to her. She was so proud of herself when she told me about it. The whole thing is such a waste. She is extremely pretty and has one of the nicest sets of knockers I've seen. I actually liked the girl and would have treated her right.

[BrainDrain]

I have a ticklish situation here. I met a really beautiful girl on a dating site a couple of months ago. I didn't expect her to be so intelligent and internet savvy. Using only a few tiny clues from my profile and conversation, she uncovered pretty much my whole life story. She knows my job and even got to my wife's facebook account..That's the risk that makes this so much fun. Most filipinas seem to be married and accept so much and have their own dirty laundry.

So what dirt have you got on your Filipina?

So after all these years I now have two live Filipinas on my real FB profile. Both incredibly smart and intelligent. One girl I have a joint bank account with anyway, so she knows lots. The other girl has become slowly more integrated with my Philippines activity and contacts. They are not added as Friends, they stay strictly on Messenger only. I will just stay in contact and keep communication open. Neither of them see me as marriage potential. They live 1,000 kms apart.

My dirt includes catching one meeting another foreigner and have his profile and for the other girl I know the details of her unsuspecting partner who is financing her.

For these girls really I cannot give them any motivation to be vindictive. Having them closer has really improved my game, so much I've reduced my casual punting.

For everyone else, if you are in any way going to engage through social media you must know that it is totally going to expose you eventually. The security is crap, the granular controls are complex and a new friend today sees your history of posts. It is so easy to build up a picture of a person and their activities. Hypothetically a person might.

Map the "Last Online" times from Messenger and FB.

Make a count of "Became Friends with" and on which days they were added.

Easily peruse the "likers" and Commenters on your public FB profile pic. , then link through to those.

Look at Pages you Like, Places you Check-IN.

Can easily Add one of your friends without adding you and then get access to so much more info which Facebook have made available to "friends of friends".

Like has been said, completely separate email, accounts and facebook profile.

BD.

[Slippery]

Thanks for all the good advice here. I had no idea about the access call center girls have. Also good to hear about viber. Usually I have a fake backstory I use, with a fake career, city, etc. I've used the story so long it's almost second nature and I don't get tripped up. For some reason I can't explain, I slipped to the wrong person. I told her my real line of work and she figured out my state of residence. She picked out a building in one of my profile pics and did some creative Google image searching until she found one that matched it. It was near my place of work. Using that location, she was able to match up my company with the location. After that, she was able to get a company bio, and the rest came easy after that. She makes her living on the internet, searching out hard to find products not available in the Philippines. She is very intelligent and her searching skills are uncanny. It was all a big game to her. She was so proud of herself when she told me about it. The whole thing is such a waste. She is extremely pretty and has one of the nicest sets of knockers I've seen. I actually liked the girl and would have treated her right.Yes, but you're just a bigger scammer. Try telling the truth and treat them with dignity. Her waste!!

[Wazoo]

Yes, but you're just a bigger scammer. Try telling the truth and treat them with dignity. Her waste!!I've never misrepresented myself. Most of these chat room girls have been mistreated and used, and I have a lot of sympathy for them. Being truthful about one's intentions and life situation is one thing. Leaving personal details out there to be used for ill purposes is another. There are lots of crazies around.

[Mbsl65]

She has multiple accounts and DIA and Filipinocupid.

Very internet savy and geek. She knows the major cities in Philippines very well. Instead of meeting her long legs, you may be out of few pesos.

https://www.facebook.com/langlamg.flores

[Kabul Guy]

Viber discloses the location of you unless you turn off the future. Other apps do too. Just be careful. Also many of the girls do work for the call centers and they do support USA based companies. If you are chatting with a girl and she is based in Cebu City area and she is a call center agent or BPO, most likely she may have access to some of your private information based on your purchases.

Delta, Amex, Chase Morgan, Charter Communications, United Health Care, SiriusXM and many others are operational in Cebu City and Manila. I am sure you maybe a customer one of several of them. So, another good idea is to stay away from the call center workers.Always use a throwaway phone number, simply change SIM cards once in a while, and do a factory reset on the phone. Use a separate phone for mongering only.

Use different pictures for every website and profile you have. You have a camera on the phone, a bunch of selfies are very easy to take. Make them different enough so that someone looking at both sets cannot tell they are the same person very easily. (Wear hats, sunglasses, different clothes, different backgrounds, comb your hair differently, clean shaven, stubble etc).

Here is an idea for disposable emails. Sign up to gmx.com. It is a free email service that doesn't look like one and allows you to have up to 10 aliases in play at any time. You can set up the receiving email client under any one of these emails you want and you will always get the lot that has been sent to you. Deleting an email alias will stop only those with that address from contacting you and you can keep your email client settings.

And always use a fake name (I use my real but common first name and a fake last name), date of birth etc (I use my best friend from high school days birthday, it is only 12 days different than mine so age is always correct except for 12 days a year.).

It can be a bit of a pain but considering what you have to lose, especially those with SOs, it is actually low-cost insurance.

Never make it easy for the girl to find out anything about the real you or be able to locate you later.

[Mr Enternational]

It can be a bit of a pain but considering what you have to lose, especially those with SOs, it is actually low-cost insurance. Never make it easy for the girl to find out anything about the real you or be able to locate you later.If I had to go through all of that just to get some pussy, then I would probably just go without.

[Dg8787]

If I had to go through all of that just to get some pussy, then I would probably just go without.I can agree with you on this. So much easier and cheaper to just pay as you go. The amount of time, effort and brain cells used to disguise and hide could have been used to run a Fortune 500 company!

[Member #4643]

I agree with Red Kilt on "accept me for what I am".

Simple, the ladies tell me is simply the opposite of complicated. That is to say, they aren't into making problems.

What do you guys think "I am open minded" means? I think these women usually are saying by "open minded" that they will have sex on the first date.

Of course, 90+% of the DIA girls have sex on the first date, LOL.


I know you said "almost always" Om I but I will offer alternatives. Although it is clear that this "code" is used by transgender persons I suggest that it is used much more widely than that.

This topic came up on the board previously and I took it upon myself to ask a sample of women what they meant by it.

Every one of the 12 who responded were 100% women with kids, and the pics were obvious too.

10 of the 12 said that "accept me for what I am" means that they are a woman with kids and so they are saddled with that responsibility.

Six of them also said they used it because they saw it used by others.

One said she used it because she was single and "old" (she was 36).

I just did a very quick search on pinalove, and in 10 minutes I saw the phrase used in 5 separate profiles by women who also said they had kids, were looking for "serious" and were clearly well-domesticated in their responses. They were also older women (more than 30).

I have my profile set to block lady boys so I don't need to deal with that problem.

One comment in profiles that always makes me laugh is "I love to cook and clean the house".

They are obviously targeting a specific profile of potential male partners.

[Mr Enternational]

What do you guys think "I am open minded" means? I think these women usually are saying by "open minded" that they will have sex on the first date.It means they don't give a fuck where you are from or how you look, as long as you are helping with the bills.

[CallSign Papa]

Ok, you've signed up on a dating / hookup site, you've got your profile ready and it's time to start reaching out. Here are the 5 things you need to check off before you get serious about arranging meet ups:

1) Is the person in the photo the person you're chatting to?

There are lots of scammers and catfish happy to waste your time by using other girl's photos. Why they do it isn't important, that you don't waste your time is. To that end, if this person can't verify themselves (on viber, whatsapp, Line or Facebook) after you've shared 10 messages or so, cut them loose. Some girls will rightly be worried about sharing their FB profile, but Viber shouldn't be a problem. If they say they only have Skype, drop them immediately, big red flag.

2) Is the person actually where they say they are?

If you're searching in Manila, you'd be surprised at how many girls will put that in their profile but actually be sat in their province a long way away. This of course means meeting is impractical and continuing to chat really a waste of time. They might ask you to fly them into Manila, but honestly, why the hell would you when Manila is already jam-packed with pretty young things.

3) Is the person in a part of Manila far from where you are?

This might sound a minor point but it's not. If you're in Makati or BGC and you're talking to a girl from Caloocan or Valenzuela, you might think because it's the same city that they can get to where you are quickly and with no hassle. You'd be very wrong about that. I've had girls come from Quezon City to Makati and take 3 hours, and get lost countless times. Make life easy for yourself, pick girls who are no more than an hour away, preferably closer, it'll just save you time whilst you're waiting for them to arrive, and the one thing you'll already do enough of in Manila is wait for girls.

4) Is the girl working a job / shift with hours that are impractical?

This kinda depends on you. If you can only meet girls in the evenings / weekends then why waste effort on girls who are working in contact centres or other jobs where night / evening shift work is required. Again, this entirely relates to how flexible you can be for meet ups.

5) Is the girl going to show up alone?

Usually this will depend on the age of the girl you're chatting with. Generally girls over 25 don't consider coming with a chaperone, but a fair percentage or 19-21 year olds will, whether it be their sister or their friend. Either way, this is an early warning sign that they're not a candidate for jumping straight into bed, unless your ninja skills are finely tuned. But, given the number of girls around this age that will jump straight into bed, why bother with the fussy ones. Chances are they aren't that experienced / skilled anyway.

As you'll probably have intuited, this will cut down significantly on the number of girls who are right to meet, but in Manila this is still a big number. The more selective you can be relative to your needs, the more fun you're going to have and the less time you're going to waste.

Enjoy.

[Mr Enternational]

1) Is the person in the photo the person you're chatting to?
Even after you have checked off all those boxes you have to worry about other things you will see once they arrive. My last couple of encounters were less than desirable. For instance the girl that showed up last night looked like a grenade went off in her mouth (with breath to match) and her feet looked like they had not been washed in 3 weeks. I had prenegotiated for LT at 1500 pesos. After one pop I sent her home. Think I will stick to live encounters for a while.

[CallSign Papa]

Even after you have checked off all those boxes you have to worry about other things you will see once they arrive.Yeah with girls you're meeting from online sources, assume they're going to be 30% less hot than their photos, Pinays are crafty at finding the right angle to make them look slimmer / prettier than they really are. And if a girl has 15 photos all with her mouth shut, she's either got braces or a mouth like a medieval witch.

I'd say one in every 4 girls arrives looking as good or better than her photos, but if they they usually always have some weird foible (wonky feet, hairy nipples etc), but then, I"m really no oil painting.

[MrWoolyBooly]

As you'll probably have intuited, this will cut down significantly on the number of girls who are right to meet, but in Manila this is still a big number. The more selective you can be relative to your needs, the more fun you're going to have and the less time you're going to waste.
Enjoy.Great summary! Any inoffensive guy and lots of offensive ones who just follow these rules and send out enough invitations to meet for (fill in the blank whatever floats your boat) in Metro Manila can't fail. Stay in the comforts of your condo or hotel or by the pool, crank up the laptop, Uber / Grab the ladies inbound and outbound, order food delivery, and waste no precious fun time. Going out is great for its own sake, but not for travelling between prospects.

You make a good point about travel times. I've often stayed in Makati / Mandaluyong because on the map they're central. I'm starting to think that Taguig / Pasig may be better overall because the traffic is a bit lighter further out offsetting the distance from some parts. Some mathematician at Google maps reading this can better advise.

[Radical Guy]

I agree with Red Kilt on "accept me for what I am".

Simple, the ladies tell me is simply the opposite of complicated. That is to say, they aren't into making problems.

What do you guys think "I am open minded" means? I think these women usually are saying by "open minded" that they will have sex on the first date.

Of course, 90+% of the DIA girls have sex on the first date, LOL."Open minded" means "open legged. " LOL.

[Sxxxx]

"Open minded" means "open legged. " LOL.That's what I was thinking, LOL. Possibly also "open to offers". Open 24/7 , that's for sure.

[FreebieFan]

Yeah with girls you're meeting from online sources, assume they're going to be 30% less hot than their photos, Pinays are crafty at finding the right angle to make them look slimmer / prettier than they really are. And if a girl has 15 photos all with her mouth shut, she's either got braces or a mouth like a medieval witch.

I'd say one in every 4 girls arrives looking as good or better than her photos, but if they they usually always have some weird foible (wonky feet, hairy nipples etc), but then, I"m really no oil painting.I would also worry if you see a girl who only takes pics from a higher position than her head. I've found (3 times now) that this means she is consciously hiding her fat / chubbiness. I'm starting to see a line in chat sites " chubby is the new sexy ". Hmm chubby is because of lack of self discipline and undisciplined rice consumption and chubby is NEVER EVER sexy honey.

I met a girl on last trip who had shared many pics with me, and in them her mouth was always tightly shut. ID seen her singing in a few videos she had sent me so I knew she had teeth but couldn't understand why her mouth was so tightly shut. Met her at Greenbelt 3, and saw her walking towards me, nice and slim, black dress, gold high heels and I'm waiting for the mouth open moment to be a disaster. It wasnt. She had a perfect set of teeth and she was gorgeous. And we romped happily and she never stopped smiling. She said she kept her mouth closed as that made her pics more " fashionable ".

[Hutsori]

Yeah with girls you're meeting from online sources, assume they're going to be 30% less hot than their photos, Pinays are crafty at finding the right angle to make them look slimmer / prettier than they really are. And if a girl has 15 photos all with her mouth shut, she's either got braces or a mouth like a medieval witch.

I'd say one in every 4 girls arrives looking as good or better than her photos, but if they they usually always have some weird foible (wonky feet, hairy nipples etc), but then, I"m really no oil painting.The video chat due diligence sorts out most of those issues.

Edit: I see you made another post w/ your 5 rules that mentions using video.

[Hutsori]

And always use a fake name (I use my real but common first name and a fake last name), date of birth etc (I use my best friend from high school days birthday, it is only 12 days different than mine so age is always correct except for 12 days a year.).

It can be a bit of a pain but considering what you have to lose, especially those with SOs, it is actually low-cost insurance.

Never make it easy for the girl to find out anything about the real you or be able to locate you later.This one is the tricky one. You're registered at a hotel / condo under your real name. Once the girl has your room number she may ask questions at the front desk. Another thing to remember is luggage tags with your name, so remember to remove those. Also prescription medicine bottles with your name printed on the label.

[CallSign Papa]

Also prescription medicine bottles with your name printed on the label.Not just luggage labels, also the little stickers they put on your baggage at checkin will have your surname on, plus any receipts will also have your name on if you use a credit / debit card.

If being anonymous is really important consider renting a condo on Airbnb, that way your privacy is guaranteed.

[Member #1088]

Not just luggage labels, also the little stickers they put on your baggage at checkin will have your surname on, plus any receipts will also have your name on if you use a credit / debit card.

If being anonymous is really important consider renting a condo on Airbnb, that way your privacy is guaranteed.Try this one?

https://www.dateinasia.com/JanneMae

[Member #1088]

Not just luggage labels, also the little stickers they put on your baggage at checkin will have your surname on, plus any receipts will also have your name on if you use a credit / debit card.

If being anonymous is really important consider renting a condo on Airbnb, that way your privacy is guaranteed.I went as far of creating multiple profiles in my computer and phone. Each profile for each lady.

So when I will meet with her, my phone and computer would only have her pics, my background was a pic of her. I would have two accounts (one for work (not really) and an open one.) the open one (which I let her discover when I went to the bathroom, would give her insurance that she was the only one,) a lot of work.

[CallSign Papa]

I went as far of creating multiple profiles in my computer and phone.Can you give a brief overview of how you did it on your phone? Was it an iphone?

[Member #1088]

Can you give a brief overview of how you did it on your phone? Was it an iphone?This was a while back when you can sync your phone phone directory with your computer. I would have a lot of fake entries for real companies in the usa but just the general number. Then I would have a couple of fake ones liek boss, mom, etc to would go to google voice. I would also have a entry for immigration lawyer and a couple of save links to wedding planning, etc.

Then I will have her number under "My love", "hearth", etc.

I guess you could do somethign similar with an android today but by syncing to a diff gmail account for every girl.

It worked very well, because they never mentioned, but I can see their attitude change once they have time alone with my phone. One girl went from no BJ to CIM, they really work hard to make a good impression and getting me to chose them for the long run, even so I told them I was not looking for a wife. After they discover the phone I left unattended.

Many gave their 2nd virgin hole when I asked them. I guess the information in my phone turned them around.

[CallSign Papa]

I guess you could do somethign similar with an android today but by syncing to a diff gmail account for every girl.
With the iphone you can use Icloud to create different Groups of contacts, and then just show a specific contact group in your address book. However this doesn't get around the issue of photos, I have so many in my library and whilst most aren't too incriminating, I certainly wouldn't be comfortable with any girl just scrolling through.

[Sammon]

In Philippines it is very difficult to do it. If the girl wants info she can get it through hotel reception.

Unlike western girls Philippine girls do not hold grudge for long and do not intentionally cause you harm. Only thing I have encountered is they do get jealous. It is easy to avoid if you are honest from the beginning saying you are a butterfly.

I know some people are threatened by the girl saying she will do this and that but for the most part they are threats only.

Personally I never let them know about my plans of how long I will be in town because they have a tendency to show up without calling.

In Angeles city it is a different matter. They either know about the western way or learned from others. Threats are more common. Personally I have seen fights break out in the middle of the night in the hotels between the girl and the man for one reason or another. Security people come in and just watch without taking sides. Generally Police are not called.

Dating site girls are afraid. So they do not fight. If you are reasonably nice to them they are good company. Usually they ask you to meet outside and if both like each other can be escorted into the hotel. Very rarely they argue about the money. They might say they need money for this and that but never push it.

[Chocha Monger]

Chicken fights between mongers, prostitutes and girlfriends in Angeles City are commonplace. It is not surprising given the volatile combination of sex, money, alcohol, jealousy and lies. It usually starts when one party feels cheated because things did not go as expected in the bedroom or discovers that the other party was not servicing them exclusively as promised. What is surprising is that the combatants are rarely seriously injured or killed.

Jealousy and envy are prominent traits in Filipino culture and society. When these feelings fester in romantic relationships between natives, it often results in a chicken fight. Sometimes the chicken fight occurs in a public place such as the streets or plazas. The police have no interest at all in getting involved in such altercations unless one of the participants dies.

Pinays are not as submissive or docile as they are often made out to be. Once they get over their initial shyness towards a guy, they can show their underlying stubborn or aggressive nature. Their tendency to use "tampo" to repress their feelings of anger instead of talking about whatever caused their negative emotions can lead to violent outbursts or passive-aggressive behavior like "accidentally" damaging something you own. Many girls come from impoverished households where domestic violence is a regular occurrence. Their father may come home drunk and broke because he wagered all of his wages on the wrong rooster, his wife takes objection, and it all goes wrong from there.

In the Philippines, many families drink together. This means some Pinays have been drinking since they were teenagers, and they are now alcoholics in their twenties. An unwitting monger sometimes takes one of these clandestine alcoholics barhopping without realizing she is on a binge until they stagger back to the hotel room and things go bad because two mean drunks are locked inside a room.

The whole cloak and dagger exercise to trick dating site girls into fucking clandestine sex tourists or sexpats just seems like another full-time job. If the girl is on a dating site in Angeles City, Manila, or Cebu she probably riding the cock carousel for pesos, and all of the effort expended in trickery and misdirection in an attempt to get affordable GFE would be better used making more money. For guys with something to lose, they would be better off getting a bar girl and using a short-time hotel where ID is not required and the girl can conduct the transaction for the room. Then they can get their GFE and be on their way without worries about phone numbers or social media complications.

On the other hand, some guys actually get a thrill out of the possibility of being caught lying or cheating. While others think that they are actually seducing the girls online with their boyish charms and good looks, or they just believe they are getting a fresher puss although dating site girls don't attend hygiene checks at the clinic. In those cases, the elaborate counterintelligence measures may be worth it. However, expert scammers and extortionists really determined to put the squeeze on mongers usually have their corrupt police accomplices waiting close by to make sure the monger does not escape from the hotel or condo. Once they flash their badges and guns at the front desk, the receptionist would be more than happy to hand over the monger's details and summon the manager to open his door with the master key.

[BrainDrain]

With the iphone you can use Icloud to create different Groups of contacts, and then just show a specific contact group in your address book. However this doesn't get around the issue of photos, I have so many in my library and whilst most aren't too incriminating, I certainly wouldn't be comfortable with any girl just scrolling through.I've recently started using Google Photos on iphone. The photos can be backed up to my preferred account. Then delete the original from the phone (and from Recently Deleted). Later I can still view them.

Interestingly, I have it set to backup on wifi. So If I GF / me take some bedroom pics, they are immediately backup up. She and I then delete them from the phone but they are already backed up. If anyone is stupid enough to be using a corporate / company phone with this feature they will get embarassed.

BD.

[BrainDrain]

In Philippines it is very difficult to do it. If the girl wants info she can get it through hotel reception..Or just register with your fake ID.

[Mbsl65]

Or just register with your fake ID.It is how you end in a trouble and get deported and never to be allowed into PI. Very careless advice.

[CygnushYoga123]

In Philippines it is very difficult to do it. If the girl wants info she can get it through hotel reception.Why would the hotel give it to the girls? Do they pay off hotel staff?


On the other hand, some guys actually get a thrill out of the possibility of being caught lying or cheating. While others think that they are actually seducing the girls online with their boyish charms and good looks, or they just believe they are getting a fresher puss although dating site girls don't attend hygiene checks at the clinic. In those cases, the elaborate counterintelligence measures may be worth it. However, expert scammers and extortionists really determined to put the squeeze on mongers usually have their corrupt police accomplices waiting close by to make sure the monger does not escape from the hotel or condo. Once they flash their badges and guns at the front desk, the receptionist would be more than happy to hand over the monger's details and summon the manager to open his door with the master key.I have hear of such scam. How do your spot one.

Man that is like China. Scary.

[BrainDrain]

It is how you end in a trouble and get deported and never to be allowed into PI. Very careless advice.That's an interesting point and I'm happy to be corrected. Can you send me details of people, news articles where someone has been deported as per your assertion.

[CallSign Papa]

That's an interesting point and I'm happy to be corrected. Can you send me details of people, news articles where someone has been deported as per your assertion.With 99% of legit hotels, the issue is that they will use the name as per the booking (which is usually the same as the credit card). I had to photoshop my driving licence with my "alternative" name, which pretty much every hotel has accepted (as a colour photocopy). At no point have I ever felt in danger of arrest, nobody really gives a shit.

[Mr Enternational]

That's an interesting point and I'm happy to be corrected. Can you send me details of people, news articles where someone has been deported as per your assertion.Where is using forged documents not illegal?

[CallSign Papa]

Where is using forged documents not illegal?Crossing the street is illegal in most countries if you do it wrong, I think BD's point was that it isn't likely to result in your being arrested, deported or banned from entering into the Phil again.

[Chocha Monger]

Or just register with your fake ID.This decision can lead the monger down a rabbit hole that he did not imagine before setting off on a sex tourism trip. Security precautions for personal safety is one thing, falsification of identification with the intent to fraudulently obtain sexual favors from women not involved in the sex trade is another.

Under Philippines Revised Penal Code Title 4: Crimes Against Public Interest: Article 172 punishes the falsification and / or the use of falsified documents by a private individual; Article 175 punishes the manufacturing and possession of instruments or implements for falsification, and prohibits the introduction of such implements into the Philippines; Article 178 punishes the use of a fictitious name and concealing true name; and Article 338 punishes seduction committed by means of deceit, including obtaining sexual consent by fraudulent machination which is considered a word which rhymes with ape under Philippine law.

It probably would not go too well for the monger if he were to find himself in a situation involving the police and it is discovered that he used fraudulent identification to register at a hotel and fuck several local young women. In fact, it would be a Filipino prosecutor's wet dream in the current political climate. The unlucky monger would be facing a number of charges and the use of falsified identification would suggest the motive of his travel was criminal, placing the burden of proving otherwise on the defendant. There is no good reason to risk all of these potential complications. The odds of getting caught are probably low but the consequences are high enough to make doing it foolish because it is totally unnecessary. Nobody cares what the odds were when they finally get caught. There are a lot of guys who thought the odds of them getting banged up in the Philippines were very low but they were wrong, and some of them were detained with fraudulent identification in the possession which probably contributed to them being considered a flight risk.

Anyway, if anyone has doubts about this, just go ask a Filipino lawyer. You can run your scheme by a local attorney for the cost of a few lady drinks, and save yourself some major pain in the ass.

[Sxxxx]

This decision can lead the monger down a rabbit hole that he did not imagine before setting off on a sex tourism trip. .................................................Good sound advice. Important, because a lot of ISG readers are newbies, and we don't want to mislead them into thinking they can flaunt the laws of the host country, Philippines in this case.

[BrainDrain]

Crossing the street is illegal in most countries if you do it wrong, I think BD's point was that it isn't likely to result in your being arrested, deported or banned from entering into the Phil again.It seems that I was quite wrong in my assertion about using fake ID and the laws look terribad. Will they ever be enforced or be the sole purpose for a person to be expelled? There are far greater problems that the agencies put their attention to.

[Member #4558]

It seems that I was quite wrong in my assertion about using fake ID and the laws look terribad. Will they ever be enforced or be the sole purpose for a person to be expelled? There are far greater problems that the agencies put their attention to.You can probably do it for a lifetime without getting caught but when shit hits the fan and some authority finds out I bet they try collect all the shit they can to lock you up as long as possible aka squeeze you for cash / bribe money.

I give girls a fake name but I don't carry any false ID. But if a girl really wants to find my true ID she could get it down at the reception. The point is to avoid this to happen. Acting nice helps.

[Mbsl65]

It seems that I was quite wrong in my assertion about using fake ID and the laws look terribad. Will they ever be enforced or be the sole purpose for a person to be expelled? There are far greater problems that the agencies put their attention to.The country plagued with lots of problems. However, like another board member suggested, the political climate makes this type of activities of foreigners very attractive to prosecutors.

As of right now, it has been 2+ months, I have been traveling the country with a motorcycle and I saw lots of stuff and I eye witnessed lots of situations. I recommend to stay in the right side of the law.

[CallSign Papa]

Whilst I respect Chocha Monger's opinion and experience, I think the situation would have to go seriously sideways before a fake ID resulted in Police action. If you're selective about who you take back to your place you'll be fine. I've done this multiple times and never had a hint of trouble. However, mostly I'm a condo guy these days, hotels are just too easy to be noticed.

[Mr Enternational]

I think the situation would have to go seriously sideways before a fake ID resulted in Police action. If you're selective about who you take back to your place you'll be fine.But if you were that selective there would be no need for a fake ID!

[Dg8787]

To LE a person with fake ID is usually hiding from the law and or up to fraudulent unlawful activities. They will assume the worst and it may take some time and money before they accept your reasoning of defrauding pinays of their pussies and running away.

In all home countries it is a felony to use a fake ID. What makes someone think they can do that in the Philippines with disregard for the laws?

[CallSign Papa]

But if you were that selective there would be no need for a fake ID!I have no desire to bang only P4 P girls in Manila, the selection of hot girls found in clubs is way too appealing to pass up. You act like you're not familiar with sneaky, curious pinays, in my case I have no interest in them looking up my real name on Facebook to see pictures of my and my kids (and other half).

If you're saying I should only bang girls in Manila who know my true relationship status, I say respectfully, no fucking chance.

[Chocha Monger]

You can probably do it for a lifetime without getting caught but when shit hits the fan and some authority finds out I bet they try collect all the shit they can to lock you up as long as possible aka squeeze you for cash / bribe money.

I give girls a fake name but I don't carry any false ID. But if a girl really wants to find my true ID she could get it down at the reception. The point is to avoid this to happen. Acting nice helps.That is true. People often do things for a lifetime and get away with it until one day their luck runs out. Most convicts in jail did not think they would be caught. If they knew without a doubt that they would have been caught, chances are that they would not have done the crime. They took a calculated risk that they could circumvent the law to reap benefits believing the odds were in their favor, they gambled with their freedom and lost. One of these guys actually had a pocket full of money when he got caught stealing. It just puzzled me, so I asked him why he did it. He told me that although he had more than enough money on him to purchase the items, he just wanted to see if he could get away with stealing them. Sometimes, people just get a thrill out of breaking the law because taking risks makes their dick hard.

Regardless of all the available information on the forum and elsewhere, some guys are just going to scratch that itch knowing the hellish conditions in Flip jails and glacial pace of the judicial system. In fact, there is a guy in Cebu who ignored many warnings because he was convinced that the laws were not going to be enforced. Well, he has been locked up for years now without a trial. When a foreigner is involved expect every law to be enforced. The police, prosecutors, and politicians know that locking up foreigners for breaking the law is good press and great money. Notice that every detail of the items found in the foreigner's possession at the time of an arrest or raid is published in the local newspapers to present the worst possible image. Fraudulent documents and fictitious identities will definitely make authorities hold on to a suspect if only to dig a little deeper to find out what exactly he is hiding, and to check for international warrants to see if there is a reward for his capture. The corrupt authorities are going to start thinking if the guy went through the trouble of obtaining and using fraudulent identification, then he must be someone willing to pay a lot of money for his freedom and discretion. They will extort every penny he has once they get hold of his passport and do a bit of digging on his true identity to see just how much he has to lose.

[CygnushYoga123]

Just reading on the recent discussion, I am wondering.

1 Is it not safe to bring non working girls back to hotel? In particular Metro Manila? I am asking this as a general opinion not specific case incident.

2 What are fellows experience here with Tinder? I have matched many (in fact too many). Some are out right P4P but most would not say especially I have not discuss meeting up with them yet. I hear people had good experience with PinaLove but I just hate that app ransom user into paying for useless features. Paid feature in Tinder seem to be more practical. So what's the take with you ISGs?

P.S. I asked before but no one seems to know, anyone can tell me if Hotel 101 is girls friendly? Really appreciate some comment.

[Dg8787]

Just reading on the recent discussion, I am wondering.

1 Is it not safe to bring non working girls back to hotel? In particular Metro Manila? I am asking this as a general opinion not specific case incident.

2 What are fellows experience here with Tinder? I have matched many (in fact too many). Some are out right P4P but most would not say especially I have not discuss meeting up with them yet. I hear people had good experience with PinaLove but I just hate that app ransom user into paying for useless features. Paid feature in Tinder seem to be more practical. So what's the take with you ISGs?

P.S. I asked before but no one seems to know, anyone can tell me if Hotel 101 is girls friendly? Really appreciate some comment.1. Generally safe.

2. No experience in this. Waste of time for me when there are proven market places.

3. Call or email Hotel 101 with your question. As stated numerous times before generally 92.873% of hotels are GF.

[Member #4558]

I hear people had good experience with PinaLove but I just hate that app ransom user into paying for useless features.My take as an relatively heavy user of Pinalove is that its features as a premium member comes in handy for a few reasons. The most important features would in random order be: you will be on top of girls search lists, you can switch to hide mode while you are actually online (handy when searching for other girls while lying and saying you are exclusivly into one but want to line up a 15 or 20 girls or so). Your msg to girls will be on top on their receives msgs list (many girls receive hundreds of msgs and will mostly only read a few of them so being on top never hurts). You can send multiple msgs without any 5-10 min penalty before you write a new msg (I use copy paste method and send out to many girls at once, easy prey), paying premium membership also indicate you are not a cheap charlie and girls with some money incentives would be concerned greatly regarding this. Just a few heads up.

[CygnushYoga123]

proven market places.Some direction please. Either a reply here or PM. I only know of Green Belt and LA Café.

Very much appreciated!

[JoelR]

I have never tried Tinder or some dating websites at all. But I have just registered at http://www.cupid.com Maybe I will have some luck there. But honestly, I would like to meet a good girl for some serious relationships in the future. Do you think it is possible online?

[Dg8787]

Some direction please. Either a reply here or PM. I only know of Green Belt and LA Caf.

Very much appreciated!Those 2 places are enough for a starter to last a year. Add in Burgos for insurance.

[Hutsori]

I have never tried Tinder or some dating websites at all. But I have just registered at http://www.cupid.com Maybe I will have some luck there. But honestly, I would like to meet a good girl for some serious relationships in the future. Do you think it is possible online?Firstly, define 'serious relationship(s)'? Are you genuinely looking for marriage or do you want to date for a few months and then move on?

Are you overseas or in the Philippines? Personally I would never engage in a long-distance relationship because I think it's tricky if not impossible to understand someone (motivations, sincerity, loyalty, etc.) unless you spend a lot of time together. My thoughts are reinforced by the behaviour of girls I've met online for fubus who have overseas partners yet play the side. Are all girls like this? No. Are many? Yes. Is it much easier to find a good girl whilst living in the Philippines? Absolutely. Can you still be duped? Yes.

I think you may not realise how many messages attractive girls get. See attached screenshot of a girl's DIA account (scrubbed of any personal info). That's 1073 unopened messages. Certainly an ego boost. But soon she learns it's a lot of overseas fellas looking for cam sex or just attention. She reads a lot of empty promises; fellas sending a first or second message declaring his affection and intent to marry sets off her BS detector. Or, she messages a guy for many weeks and then he suddenly ghosts her. This happen a lot. Over time this tends to make a girl jaded, so she concludes a sincere bloke is an anomaly, yet he has to compete through all that noise to get a message opened and then be enticing and believable enough to earn a reply. At least you being in the country demonstrates availability and potential.

The danger to you being in country is you're the kid in the candy shop. Do you become a glutton or do you exercise self control and remain true to your goal? Keep in mind that so many women are convinced that all men cheat that even if you don't there's the suspicion in her mind. Some girls decide to (pre-emptively) retaliate by cheating, whether that suspicion was genuine or just a pretext to allow herself cock on the side - a former fling is back in town.

My approach is to use all that noise to my advantage. I'm here, they're not, you don't need to waste your youth sitting at home night after night. I'm not looking for marriage, and I'm not looking to control you, so you can still keep looking for Prince (C)Harming and still meet me once a week or so. Does this work with all women? No. Does it work with enough to keep me busy? Yes. Do some girls find their prince and marry? Yes. One of my former fubus did recently, and then she messaged me on PL. Why was she back on PL? That's a good question.

[The Tall Man]

Firstly, define 'serious relationship(s)'? Are you genuinely looking for marriage or do you want to date for a few months and then move on?

Are you overseas or in the Philippines? Personally I would never engage in a long-distance relationship because I think it's tricky if not impossible to understand someone (motivations, sincerity, loyalty, etc.) unless you spend a lot of time together. My thoughts are reinforced by the behaviour of girls I've met online for fubus who have overseas partners yet play the side. Are all girls like this? No. Are many? Yes. Is it much easier to find a good girl whilst living in the Philippines? Absolutely. Can you still be duped? Yes.

I think you may not realise how many messages attractive girls get. See attached screenshot of a girl's DIA account (scrubbed of any personal info). That's 1073 unopened messages. Certainly an ego boost. But soon she learns it's a lot of overseas fellas looking for cam sex or just attention. She reads a lot of empty promises; fellas sending a first or second message declaring his affection and intent to marry sets off her BS detector. Or, she messages a guy for many weeks and then he suddenly ghosts her. This happen a lot. Over time this tends to make a girl jaded, so she concludes a sincere bloke is an anomaly, yet he has to compete through all that noise to get a message opened and then be enticing and believable enough to earn a reply. At least you being in the country demonstrates availability and potential.

The danger to you being in country is you're the kid in the candy shop. Do you become a glutton or do you exercise self control and remain true to your goal? Keep in mind that so many women are convinced that all men cheat that even if you don't there's the suspicion in her mind. Some girls decide to (pre-emptively) retaliate by cheating, whether that suspicion was genuine or just a pretext to allow herself cock on the side - a former fling is back in town.

My approach is to use all that noise to my advantage. I'm here, they're not, you don't need to waste your youth sitting at home night after night. I'm not looking for marriage, and I'm not looking to control you, so you can still keep looking for Prince (C)Harming and still meet me once a week or so. Does this work with all women? No. Does it work with enough to keep me busy? Yes. Do some girls find their prince and marry? Yes. One of my former fubus did recently, and then she messaged me on PL. Why was she back on PL? That's a good question.What you wrote here is so spot on, others need to read and understand the nature of these web site and all the nuances associated with trying to find both short and long term relationships via long distance by this method. This is the truth and its not for the faint of heart.

TTM.

[Cons68]

That is true. People often do things for a lifetime and get away with it until one day their luck runs out. Hello, is this the Dubai forum?

I just wanted to support ChochaMonger's view here. I have too seen plenty of people thinking along those lines, for some reason people tend to think that when they are abroad rules do not apply. In the UAE they usually come in two flavors:

-white idiot, who thinks this will not apply because he is Murican (or British, or any generic white flavor).

-brown idiot, who think that he is smarter than anyone else.

I have seen people get away with truly idiotic behavior for very long (drunk driving in a Muslim country qualifies methinks) but at some point your luck may run out. It all depends on your risk appetite. I personally only take high risks when paid for it.

[Mr Enternational]

Firstly, define 'serious relationship(s)'? Are you genuinely looking for marriage or do you want to date for a few months and then move on?
Man. In the early days of websites it was good and easy to find serious relationships online. These days I would not recommend that shit. Hookers and johns have pretty much taken over. Even if you are only looking to fuck, there is no need in trying to prearrange shit before you come. When you land at the airport you can literally get on one of these dating sites and have a chick waiting in your hotel lobby before you even get there.

These same scenarios that Huts describes go for anywhere in the world. A chick I was fucking in Dominican Republic showed me her cupid and just the same there were over 1000 unopened messages. So to even get through to one of these chicks is sheer luck.

You know how many chicks answer me 1 month after I have sent them an email? Then the lying bittches will say it is because I never come on this site. Bullshit. It is because you had to go through those other 1000 mfs first. These days I would not even waste my time unless I was in country and could tell a chick to meet today or tomorrow.

[Hutsori]

But I have just registered at http://www.cupid.com I forgot to discuss this. I don't know that site; the ones most commonly mentioned here are dateinasia, pinalove, and filipinocupid. There are others such as tagged, cebuanas, cherry blossoms, and then the Christian-orientated sites.

Dateinasia (DIA) is completely free and therefore the girls get bombarded with messages. Pinalove (PL) is mixed free and paid; free male users may send a message every ten minutes and the paid subscribers are unrestricted. Women there may message unrestricted. Filipinocupid (FC) is also mixed, but free male users are more tightly restricted than PL. A free user may send a message but the free user recipient will only see the first few words. If you're a bit clever you can figure out ways to bypass this to get a girl to message off site, but if the admins find out they'll edit the profile or delete it. Paid members, who are mostly male, have free rein. Of the three sites FC allows the fella the best opportunity to get a girl's attention since the free riders are for all intents and purposes eliminated from the game; girls quickly learn to not waste their time with them.

Before throwing money to a site make sure it has a large member base.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Of the three sites FC allows the fella the best opportunity to get a girl's attention since the free riders are for all intents and purposes eliminated from the game; girls quickly learn to not waste their time with them.I paid for FC and get substantive replies from about 20-25%. I'm no Hollywood or K-Drama looker, but I can confirm your observation on FC. Getting replies doesn't always mean getting what I want, but it's the necessary first step.

[The Tall Man]

I forgot to discuss this. I don't know that site; the ones most commonly mentioned here are dateinasia, pinalove, and filipinocupid. There are others such as tagged, cebuanas, cherry blossoms, and then the Christian-orientated sites.

Dateinasia (DIA) is completely free and therefore the girls get bombarded with messages. Pinalove (PL) is mixed free and paid; free male users may send a message every ten minutes and the paid subscribers are unrestricted. Women there may message unrestricted. Filipinocupid (FC) is also mixed, but free male users are more tightly restricted than PL. A free user may send a message but the free user recipient will only see the first few words. If you're a bit clever you can figure out ways to bypass this to get a girl to message off site, but if the admins find out they'll edit the profile or delete it. Paid members, who are mostly male, have free rein. Of the three sites FC allows the fella the best opportunity to get a girl's attention since the free riders are for all intents and purposes eliminated from the game; girls quickly learn to not waste their time with them.

Before throwing money to a site make sure it has a large member base.The truth be told I, the tall man himself, used Colombia cupid back about 2007 to 2011 and after a lot of effort, even back then, got some great responses from some beauties in Colombia, made many trips to both Bogota and medellin, and I recall after really getting to know 2 of these latinas they showed me there profile page and WHAM a thousand or more of messages and interests and all kinds of BS stories.

Here we are almost 10 years later and they must, as you all correctly state, get inundated daily with 10 to 20 interest requests.

I started my filipino cupids search, paid one month fee, and have a stable of 5 to 8 girls kind of at the ready when I land. Let me tell you it takes a great deal of time and effort going through all the interests, many by grand mothers (I kid you not) as of today I have received about 300 interests and actual messages but weeding through them all is a pain in the a*.

I will be Makati this weekend so I will be sure to book end my experiences with you all.

TTM.

[FreebieFan]

Man. In the early days of websites it was good and easy to find serious relationships online. These days I would not recommend that shit. Hookers and johns have pretty much taken over. Even if you are only looking to fuck, there is no need in trying to prearrange shit before you come. When you land at the airport you can literally get on one of these dating sites and have a chick waiting in your hotel lobby before you even get there.

.In the very good old days, back when Yahoo Messenger was in its infancy it had a great search feature that they later removed due to privacy concerns. In it you could specify an age, gender and even street name so if you were in Burgos and happened to be looking for a 23 year old in JP Rizal, press enter and there they were. Dating sites came around many years later, but for a couple years it yielded rich harvests. If you got bored with always using one street could quickly move to another. Most girls were good to go as they say.

Wechat of course now has nearly the exact same feature in its lookaround feature.

I always have one lined up for the first night at least, both out of habit and a way of self reminding that I'm back in the land of sweet petite brown ladies (chubsters don't get past a "Hi " with me).

[X Man]

I did a search for a long ago Visayan conquest. (not sure a Mango bar BF is a conquest, but there was a lot of GFE subsequently). Long story short, I found her FB and she still looked good for a shag, despite pushing out three little ankle kickers. In the end, I had fresher fish to fry and we never met up. Maybe next time.

But the FB search turned up another gal with a similar name. Good looking' gal. I sent a message. After some pleasantries, I get this.

OK me I'm here my province take care of my son he so sick my all money is done now.

I really don't know where I can borrow money.

I really sorry if I tell you about money.

My reply was.

Well, I also don't know where you can borrow money. Good luck.

[BrainDrain]

Just wondering what you would do if your favourite filipina offered you access to her phone. Let you look through emails, deleted emails, FB Messenger, Skype etc. Would you accept it?

What would you do with what you find?

[Mr Enternational]

Just wondering what you would do if your favourite filipina offered you access to her phone. Let you look through emails, deleted emails, FB Messenger, Skype etc. Would you accept it?

What would you do with what you find?Nothing. Because I do not give 2 shits.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Just wondering what you would do if your favourite filipina offered you access to her phone. Let you look through emails, deleted emails, FB Messenger, Skype etc. Would you accept it?

What would you do with what you find?I'm totally uninterested in their past, current, or future communications with other guys. I assume she's as active as I am, even if for different reasons. I even have kind of a thing for girls calling someone, anyone, and conversing with them while I try to bang her into incoherence. Many Pinays have shared their correspondence with other guys with me, usually asking for advice from the male perspective. It's flabbergasting how many basement Barneys are out there. It's also obvious which guys lack the social skills to get laid from a non-desperate woman. It's also surprising how many guys obsessed with finding a Pinay can't scrape up the USD 600 (two weeks of work at rock-bottom minimum wage in my country) or so it takes to actually go there from my country. Some are married and want a Pinay mistress, but without the guts to follow through. I suppose I'd be more interested if any of her pretty lady friends made comments about being unhappy with their current beau or looking for a fling. I'm always looking for new playmates for Wooly Jr. I don't get jealous or controlling with the Pinays. If she clearly prefers another guy, I switch to encouraging friend mode and solicit her help in meeting her friends, sisters, cousins, neighbors, etc.

[Member #1088]

Just wondering what you would do if your favourite filipina offered you access to her phone. Let you look through emails, deleted emails, FB Messenger, Skype etc. Would you accept it?

What would you do with what you find?I actually have a situation like that happened to me. She was Thai and her BF was italian and she asked me for help setting up PayPal. Once I got access I saw all the pics she sent to her BF, wow, she did look good without clothes. Never had a chance to try her, but I still remember her.

[X Man]

This is a very interesting and complicated question, IMHO.

My favorite non-bar girl friend hides her friends on FB. I'd like to take a look, but I also hide my friends. Fair is fair.

Going into her phone sounds wrong to me. I've never tried to look, nor asked to look at anything on her phone except when when she took my picture.

On the other hand, if a bar girl offered me access, I'd love to see her nocturnal shenanigans. As I posted earlier on ISG I was able to listen in on a P4P sweetie dealing with a problem related to her long-time threesome arrangement that was getting complicated with a fourth. She was using her phone and this was in my hotel room, BTW.

Petite and sweet, she get's down and dirty when she has to and when she wants to. I got two rounds in before she was convinced to rejoin her menage a trois in the wee hours. And inexplicably she showed me a video on her phone vid of some guy banging her. Poor video, 90% guy and two brown legs bobbing away. She said he did it secretly, but me thinks she likes it. I want to do some video if I ever get another opportunity in her panties.

BrainDrain, why did you ask the questions and what is your answer? To be honest, if I found something really naughty about the GF, it would hurt. I think I could let it go since we we aren't together for most of the year. But if there were some obvious lies, I'd have to reconsider the relationship. I do recognize that jealousy is one of the least productive human emotions, but conquering the Green Monster is easier said than done.


Just wondering what you would do if your favourite filipina offered you access to her phone. Let you look through emails, deleted emails, FB Messenger, Skype etc. Would you accept it?

What would you do with what you find?

[BrainDrain]

My favorite non-bar girl friend hides her friends on FB. I'd like to take a look, but I also hide my friends. Fair is fair.Well this particular girl doesn't actually hide her 2,000 facebook friends. Of the guys that are fucking her she will remove from being FB friends so that her friends can't hit on them also. SO her friends list shows the people that aren't banging her.



BrainDrain, why did you ask the questions and what is your answer? To be honest, if I found something really naughty about the GF, it would hurt. I think I could let it go since we we aren't together for most of the year. But if there were some obvious lies, I'd have to reconsider the relationship. I do recognize that jealousy is one of the least productive human emotions, but conquering the Green Monster is easier said than done.It was a bit of a complication with some lax security on my part on my phone. She looked through my phone and I looked through hers. Yes it hurt, there were a few surprises. Two months on we are stronger than ever.

[BrainDrain]

Well it's sad to see that FB has updated their security procedures. Have had two facebook accounts shut down in the past few days as I needed to provide additional security. If you are running multiple FB accounts get ready for some security checks.

[Khekada]

Well it's sad to see that FB has updated their security procedures. Have had two facebook accounts shut down in the past few days as I needed to provide additional security. If you are running multiple FB accounts get ready for some security checks.Brother,

What kind of security they are enforcing?

[BrainDrain]

Brother,

What kind of security they are enforcing?Two different things on the two accounts.

A) Full facial picture which they use for facial recognition and account matching. They asking me to send them a better face picture so they can ensure my account is unique. It's not.

B) On this other account I need to be able to do one of three things.

1) Identify my FB friends by their pictures. 170 randomly added pinay. No chance.

2) Identify my previously made comments. Tried a few times and it's not agreeing.

3) Do the facial recognition test.

SO sadly I will lose contact with a few promising filipna. Most importantly I will lose contact with a beautiful sweet 24 year old filipina that just finished her mens yesterday.

Lessons. Make sure you have alternative contact methods in place.

BD.

[Khekada]

Brother,

Thanks for the reply. Till today, fortunately my both the accounts running good. Even I will not pass facebook test on my Fake account made to contact Philippines.


Two different things on the two accounts.

A) Full facial picture which they use for facial recognition and account matching. They asking me to send them a better face picture so they can ensure my account is unique. It's not.

B) On this other account I need to be able to do one of three things.

1) Identify my FB friends by their pictures. 170 randomly added pinay. No chance.

2) Identify my previously made comments. Tried a few times and it's not agreeing.

3) Do the facial recognition test.

SO sadly I will lose contact with a few promising filipna. Most importantly I will lose contact with a beautiful sweet 24 year old filipina that just finished her mens yesterday.

Lessons. Make sure you have alternative contact methods in place.

BD.

[X Man]

DIA still does what it's always done. Time and patience is needed. Avoid any naughty language as they have a draconian filter system in place. The cut and paste filter has become more flexible, BTW.

PinaLove, a bit on the naughty side. In general I've found it to be low value for time consumed, but there was that one gal who licked my anus, uninvited, on the first date.

Tagged. A real pain in the butt now. If you try to MSG, it will tell you that "she's very popular now", blah blah, pay some money. Sometimes the gal's profile has been unattended for two years, but you'll still get this message. If you make some efforts you can find a way. I haven't given up on this site yet.

Cherry Blossom / CB: I rarely hear about this service now, but it's been around for a long time and served me well in the past. I haven't used it in years since I'm a cheap charlie. It's a paid site, but this maybe good for guys looking for good value with minimum time effort.

FB, friends of friends searching is often interesting, but mostly low return for time consumed. My personal FB profile is relatively low risk, so I've kept in touch with numerous winners. I've done very well with this angle. If you chat with someone for a long time, It's a real nightmare trying to go back and look at the entire conversation.

X Man.

[Mua Tur]

"You want to measure how deep?

This is what this pina girl asked to the gents. She is from Cebu. Guys you may get a ride and let her know how deep it can be.

Here is her profile: https://www.pinalove.com/Manggo12.

[Goferring]

Is anyone having problems combining Fake GPS and WeChat on a modern Android phone?

My Google Maps is showing the Fake location but WeChat is Discovering People Nearby my real location.

Dr. Google has highlighted that WeChat may now be drawing its location from all sources in the mobile phone. However, setting the Location Services to using only the GPS has not changed the WeChat location.

Any ideas?

[Mango King]

Recently I was working on a number of pinalove girls to setup in advance of arriving in Manila. One girl in particular. Jasmine (not her real name)- really got my attention. We started chatting on Skype and she really pushed all my buttons just right. I thought I was pretty good at picking out fake / scam girls so I felt pretty confidant with her. We did a brief Skype vid to verify she was real and she looked amazing like her pics. She sent some clothed and eventually naked pics over the course of our chats over 2 weeks or so.

I arranged to meet her upon my arrival in Manila and we planned 2 nights together. She was semi-pro and we agreed on an appropriate "gift".

The day before I leave for MNL I check-in with her and all is fine and she is so excited, etc. The morning we are suppose to meet I message her while in transit to MNL to check-in. I don't get a response right away. After a few minutes I get this message in Skype sent directly to me from her account:

"Get on Skype with XXX right now.

XXX's on Skype. Get on with him and chat.

Get on Skype right now and start working. If you need to eat eat in 10 minutes. Do not make it long eat.

Start working. Stop eating. Stop cleaning. Stop sleeping. Start working. Starting trying to make money."

So I'm a bit shocked to see this and realize Jasmine has a handler / pimp. Not only that but apparently a mean and incompetent one at that. My fake / scam sensors failed me utterly. Time to reset my screening process!

I did reply to the above message and said "I'm done. You have a handler and I refuse to aid in that kind of situation."

I've seen a few references on these boards to folks saying that girls who want to use "Skype" should be avoided. Based on this one experience I would agree, however I also had one girl on Skype who was out-of-this-world great so I'm not ready to write off a girl who uses Skype. Maybe just be extra careful with any Skype girls.

[Goferring]

I've seen a few references on these boards to folks saying that girls who want to use "Skype" should be avoided. Based on this one experience I would agree, however I also had one girl on Skype who was out-of-this-world great so I'm not ready to write off a girl who uses Skype. Maybe just be extra careful with any Skype girls.Thanks for these and well done!!

Why is Skype to be avoided vs all the other video-chat apps like Viber, WeChat etc. What makes it different and more fraud prone?

Cheers.

[Mango King]

Thanks for these and well done!!

Why is Skype to be avoided vs all the other video-chat apps like Viber, WeChat etc. What makes it different and more fraud prone?

Cheers.I know that Skype does not encrypt anything where both Viber and Whatsapp encrypt everything so only the 2 parties can see the content. Skype is easier to have multiple sessions for the same login going at once. So a "girl" and her handler can be on at the same time with you as was the case in my story. Its much more difficult to do that with Viber and Whatsapp.

Not sure if these are the real reasons but that's my best guess.

[Member #4558]

Recently I was working on a number of pinalove girls to setup in advance of arriving in Manila. One girl in particular. Jasmine (not her real name)- really got my attention. We started chatting on Skype and she really pushed all my buttons just right. I thought I was pretty good at picking out fake / scam girls so I felt pretty confidant with her. We did a brief Skype vid to verify she was real and she looked amazing like her pics. She sent some clothed and eventually naked pics over the course of our chats over 2 weeks or so.

I arranged to meet her upon my arrival in Manila and we planned 2 nights together. She was semi-pro and we agreed on an appropriate "gift".

The day before I leave for MNL I check-in with her and all is fine and she is so excited, etc. The morning we are suppose to meet I message her while in transit to MNL to check-in. I don't get a response right away. After a few minutes I get this message in Skype sent directly to me from her account:.Its not Skype being the problem. The scammers just use skype as their tool to try bully you up. Hell I travel 250 days a year and use skype as my main conversation tool to my GF and daughter back home. Nothing fraud about that. Just check the people you are skyping to up in advance, then no worries. Girls who wants to use skype is in my book safe bcs I ask them to go on live cam and actually without any hick ups they have to move the camera around where they stay at on my demand. No problems so far. Your girl most likely is a girl working under the pimpy situation.

[Mango King]

Its not Skype being the problem. The scammers just use skype as their tool to try bully you up. Hell I travel 250 days a year and use skype as my main conversation tool to my GF and daughter back home. Nothing fraud about that. Just check the people you are skyping to up in advance, then no worries. Girls who wants to use skype is in my book safe bcs I ask them to go on live cam and actually without any hick ups they have to move the camera around where they stay at on my demand. No problems so far. Your girl most likely is a girl working under the pimpy situation.Agreed that skype itself is not a fraudulent platform. I also use it to talk / vid with family and friends. So plenty of legit uses of it, but it does seem to be an extra flag when chatting up girls before you meet them.

[Ikksman]

Is anyone having problems combining Fake GPS and WeChat on a modern Android phone?

My Google Maps is showing the Fake location but WeChat is Discovering People Nearby my real location.

Dr. Google has highlighted that WeChat may now be drawing its location from all sources in the mobile phone. However, setting the Location Services to using only the GPS has not changed the WeChat location.

Any ideas?We have communicated via PM about this, but it might be worthwhile posting here in case any gurus have a workable alternative.

WeChat now uses the BaiduLocationSDK, where it previously used the LocationManager service (which FakeGPS utilises to spoof locations). There is no English documentation about BaiduLocationSDK. This SDK uses the H. A. L. (Hardware Abstraction Layer), communicating directly with the GPS hardware.

This is why Wechat is not affected by any spoofing through LocationManager. An app would need to spoof location at the hardware level to fool WeChat.

This change has been imposed by the Chinese Ministry of Public Security.

Ikks.

[Mbsl65]

Recently I was working on a number of pinalove girls to setup in advance of arriving in Manila. One girl in particular. Jasmine (not her real name)- really got my attention. We started chatting on Skype and she really pushed all my buttons just right. I thought I was pretty good at picking out fake / scam girls so I felt pretty confidant with her. We did a brief Skype vid to verify she was real and she looked amazing like her pics. She sent some clothed and eventually naked pics over the course of our chats over 2 weeks or so.

I arranged to meet her upon my arrival in Manila and we planned 2 nights together. She was semi-pro and we agreed on an appropriate "gift".

The day before I leave for MNL I check-in with her and all is fine and she is so excited, etc. The morning we are suppose to meet I message her while in transit to MNL to check-in. I don't get a response right away. After a few minutes I get this message in Skype sent directly to me from her account:

"Get on Skype with XXX right now.

XXX's on Skype. Get on with him and chat.

.Did you send her money and / or bought her a plane ticket?

[Mango King]

Did you send her money and / or bought her a plane ticket?No fortunately I did not. One of my firm rules is never send money no matter how good the story. I did almost buy her a plane ticket though, but as luck would have it I didn't.

[Mogwai]

The day before I leave for MNL I check-in with her and all is fine and she is so excited, etc. The morning we are suppose to meet I message her while in transit to MNL to check-in. I don't get a response right away. After a few minutes I get this message in Skype sent directly to me from her account:

"Get on Skype with XXX right now.

XXX's on Skype. Get on with him and chat.

Get on Skype right now and start working. If you need to eat eat in 10 minutes. Do not make it long eat.

Start working. Stop eating. Stop cleaning. Stop sleeping. Start working. Starting trying to make money."

So I'm a bit shocked to see this and realize Jasmine has a handler / pimp. These messages in Skype, were they in English? Or did you translate from Tagalog to English?
If they were in English then her handler / pimp is apparently a foreigner which makes it even more sad. Maffia maybe?

[Mango King]

These messages in Skype, were they in English? Or did you translate from Tagalog to English?
If they were in English then her handler / pimp is apparently a foreigner which makes it even more sad. Maffia maybe?The quote from the skype chat is exact except for my name. She / he used excellent English both then and throughout our weeks of chats prior. During our vid the girl spoke english well enough so I didn't suspect anything.

[Roll Aides]

Thanks for these and well done!!

Why is Skype to be avoided vs all the other video-chat apps like Viber, WeChat etc. What makes it different and more fraud prone?

Cheers.It's not necessarily more fraud-prone due to any technological specifications, it's just a flavor. Certain kinds of girls want you to get on Skype, specifically. Others will avoid it, in preference of other apps. It's more a social, vs. A technological distinction.

[CallSign Papa]

It's not necessarily more fraud-prone due to any technological specifications, it's just a flavor. Certain kinds of girls want you to get on Skype, specifically. Others will avoid it, in preference of other apps. It's more a social, vs. A technological distinction.I got off Skype a while ago after realizing that a lot of girls would use fake videos during video calls (where they're just waving and winking and pretending to do stuff but not speaking).

You really can't beat Wechat, Viber and Whatsapp for verfiying someone is who they say they are.

[BrainDrain]

You really can't beat Wechat, Viber and Whatsapp for verfiying someone is who they say they are.First rule of internet security. Everyone on the internet is a dog. I doubt we know who people really are. Let's say 40% of the Filipino population can't even prove who they are. I. e. Limited birth records, missing parents etc etc.

I think the main thing is not to be mixed up with organizers and handlers.

As foreigners we will probably be the last to know.

BD.

[NicolaNewman]

I'm a Filipino girl and I'm curious if what do you expect on dating Filipina girls? I found this link https://www.filipinadatingsites.net/dating-a-filipina-what-to-expect/, and would you agree on what it says about?

[AussieGaigin]

I'm a Filipino girl and I'm curious if what do you expect on dating Filipina girls? I found this link https://www.filipinadatingsites.net/dating-a-filipina-what-to-expect/, and would you agree on what it says about?Have you read the "Opinions and Advice" thread to get some first hand reports of men's experiences in this field?

[BrainDrain]

Have you read the "Opinions and Advice" thread to get some first hand reports of men's experiences in this field?I just assumed NicoleNewman was a guy promoting that website. Ie the term "filipino girl" is not the way I think that a filipina / pinay would describe herself. Then later int he sentence using filipina.

[CallSign Papa]

I'm a Filipino girl and I'm curious if what do you expect on dating Filipina girls? "Filipina women are sweet, courteous, hospitable and beautiful. ".

I'd agree with this, they're absolutely all of these things. And also add flakey, dishonest, duplicitous, jealous, scheming, crazy, passionate, adventurous, funny, and sexy as hell.

[BrainDrain]

"Filipina women are sweet, courteous, hospitable and beautiful. ".

I'd agree with this, they're absolutely all of these things. And also add flakey, dishonest, duplicitous, jealous, scheming, crazy, passionate, adventurous, funny, and sexy as hell.I'm going to agree with you agreeing. As a 50 year old guy that likes filipinas I have to admit it takes some time to enjoy the craziness, the funniness and the adventurous nature. We are dating kids ( 18 of course). They just love fun and adventure and certainly don't take life serious.

One thought that resonates "The less you have the less you have to worry about. " Life can be fun and adventurous without a life long career, share portfolios, ex-wives, government tax debts, quarterly shareholder updated etc etc.

Love these crazy filipino females.

BD.

[Mango King]

Previously I detailed my story of how a girl I was chatting very convincingly on Skype turned out to have a handler. Well, I was chatting up another girl from PL using Viber and had a similar discovery but in a new manner.

My PL profile says I only do viber and whatsapp. I explicitly say no email. I decided not to explicitly say no skype since I did have some good results. If I girl asks for skype I just put a much higher degree of scrutiny into reviewing her profile before I agree.

So this PL girl has a profile which makes her sound like a serious, real girl. Her pictures are beautiful but not overtly sexy. So I chat with her a few times and her English is limited, but we communicate well enough.

I ask to vid so I can verify her but she says she has no load. OK, fine. I say lets try tomorrow.

Next day ask for vid again and again she says no load. Without me asking she sends more pics this time more sexy including a very revealing shot of her in a nightgown. Nice! But wait, why is she sending me these sexy pics? Hmmm.

The girl is in Zoambanga and I tell her I will be in Manila and Cebu only. So for my next verification test I tell her that if we vid and she is real I will buy her a ticket to Cebu or Manila. (If she is real she would be worth the expense based on looks!) She says she can do a vid and send it. I'm like, "OK but make sure you mention my name". About a minute later I get a video that is not what I expected.

She is completely naked and proving she is a real woman. Not what I expected from little miss serious.

The catch? Well in the background audio I hear some guy speaking in tagaloc obviously telling her how to pose and move. She never says anything and never speaks my name.

Red alert. She has a handler. I bailed.

[Wicked Roger]

The girl is in Zoambanga and I tell her I will be in Manila and Cebu only. So for my next verification test I tell her that if we vid and she is real I will buy her a ticket to Cebu or Manila. (If she is real she would be worth the expense based on looks!) She says she can do a vid and send it. I'm like, "OK but make sure you mention my name". About a minute later I get a video that is not what I expected.

. I bailed.If it say Zambo or Padligdan etc I don't even bother as I see that as a scam. I am sure there are nice girls in those places but never found one on dating sites that did something similar to what you experienced. And why bother with the air fare when plenty cute ones in Cebu, Manila, Davao already.

[Nice Guy 99]

The catch? Well in the background audio I hear some guy speaking in tagaloc obviously telling her how to pose and move. She never says anything and never speaks my name.

Red alert. She has a handler. I bailed.Why? Who cares??

[Mango King]

If it say Zambo or Padligdan etc I don't even bother as I see that as a scam. I am sure there are nice girls in those places but never found one on dating sites that did something similar to what you experienced. And why bother with the air fare when plenty cute ones in Cebu, Manila, Davao already.Yeah I almost never bother with girls out of the area I will be in, but this one looked exceptional. Too good to be true indeed!

[BrainDrain]

The catch? Well in the background audio I hear some guy speaking in tagaloc obviously telling her how to pose and move. She never says anything and never speaks my name.
Slightly OT: For iPhone users please aware that when you take a picture the iphone is also taking a series of images around the same time which can be replayed as a movie with sound. I almost came unstuck as I took a picture of my meal with my temporary filipina laughing in the backgroud. Thinking to show it to my more permanent filipina I only had a still photo of my lonely single man's meal when viewed as the iphone live picture it revealed I was having dinner with a laughing slight drunk filipina.

BD.

[Mango King]

Slightly OT: For iPhone users please aware that when you take a picture the iphone is also taking a series of images around the same time which can be replayed as a movie with sound. I almost came unstuck as I took a picture of my meal with my temporary filipina laughing in the backgroud. Thinking to show it to my more permanent filipina I only had a still photo of my lonely single man's meal when viewed as the iphone live picture it revealed I was having dinner with a laughing slight drunk filipina.

BD.Great point! The iPhone 6 and later essentially makes a 3 second mini movie before the take picture button is snapped. If you copy photos manually from your phone you will see a "IMG_123. Jpg" and "IMG_123. Mov" where the "mov" file is the movie WITH audio. If you are sending the photo via some app like iMessage the app will probably send the mov file.

Android phones have started appearing with this feature as well, though I don't remember which ones off hand.

[Member #4558]

Slightly OT: For iPhone users please aware that when you take a picture the iphone is also taking a series of images around the same time which can be replayed as a movie with sound. I almost came unstuck as I took a picture of my meal with my temporary filipina laughing in the backgroud. Thinking to show it to my more permanent filipina I only had a still photo of my lonely single man's meal when viewed as the iphone live picture it revealed I was having dinner with a laughing slight drunk filipina.

BD.OT or not its a damn good observation and a nice share. Hell its only ms fortunas help I didn't get into trouble. I've done countless "solo" dinners or the typical "just sitting in my room alone and miss you my dear" pics. Both cases with girls (not only pinays) right next to me. Something to thing about from this day.

[Blanquiceleste]

Slightly OT: For iPhone users please aware that when you take a picture the iphone is also taking a series of images around the same time which can be replayed as a movie with sound. I almost came unstuck as I took a picture of my meal with my temporary filipina laughing in the backgroud. Thinking to show it to my more permanent filipina I only had a still photo of my lonely single man's meal when viewed as the iphone live picture it revealed I was having dinner with a laughing slight drunk filipina.

BD.You can turn this feature on or off on the camera screen before taking pictures. The controls are right at the top of the screen in the middle appearing as concetric circles.

You live and you learn. .

[Peter4552]

Here's a good site with chat rooms - http://www.chatsexocam.com/en/.

[BaddHabbit]

regular girl left for work this morning and i didn't have anything planned until tonight. sent out my vd greetings and received replies from many asking whether i have a date tonight. shucks, i have to work tonight. clumsy girl from fc, who i met twice before, works at a call centre and today was her off day. sure, you can come at 11am. went to mercury drug and picked up a red, heart-shaped tin of lindt chocolates and a few sachets of lubrisafe anal lube at p7 each - much more affordable than the imported tube of kentucky jelly at p350.

clumsy girl arrived a little late; "happy valentine's day, baby," and i handed her the anal lube. "hmmpf! so romantic!" she exclaimed with a frown. i then gave her the chocolates and her disposition brightened. pulling off the lid clumsy girl lost her grip and the tin dropped to the floor, the chocolates rep001tering here and there. whilst i swept the living room floor clumsy girl showered. when done she called me into the bedroom. she grabbed my hard cock, pulled it into her mouth, and for the next few minutes her large teeth scraped up and down along my shaft. don't forget to gnaw on the head with your molars, clumsy girl.

over the next 90 minutes she elbowed my face twice but the highlight was she flipped over to change positions and her knee landed solidly on my right testicle. what she lacked in grace and dexterity she made up for in painful passion and violent vigour. believing that her first anal experience would be especially dangerous for me i tied her up. that went without any major mishaps except for some spillage from her rear - the sheets are now in the laundry machine.

"let's shower together," clumsy girl requested. ah yes, what could possibly go wrong on a wet, slippery ceramic surface? count me in. i went under the warm water first and started lathering up with the soap. clumsy girl followed, found the water temperature too warm, and turned the faucet handle right. a strong blast of chilly water hit me. "i want to wash you," she said, grabbing the soap from my hands. of course it slipped right out of her hands to the floor, and when bending down to retrieve it she knocked me into the wall. i rinsed and made my escape.

she dressed, put on her make up, and squirted some perfume on herself. "do you like this scent?" clumsy girl asked as she sprayed my face with it. my eyes have never smelt nicer.

the sacrifices we make to ensure the girl enjoys a memorable day.

y'all have a safe valentine's day.I do have fun going backwards and reading various posts over time. This one was so funny thought people might like another read. Need a +1 button!

[BrainDrain]

I do have fun going backwards and reading various posts over time. This one was so funny thought people might like another read. Need a +1 button!Yep. That really was worth a read. I must have missed it the first time. We've all had girls like that, that dot quite have the close personal co-ordination.

[Dinghy]

Here's a good site with chat rooms - http://www.chatsexocam.com/en/.Of course it's a total waste of fuking time, but whatever.

[Mogwai]

Of course it's a total waste of fuking time, but whatever.Post number 1 from a new member = spam.

[Chocha Monger]

Article claims that rural Filipinas have flipped the dating script on foreign men with the help of internet tools to hunt and catch their prey.

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/how-the-internet-gave-mail-order-brides-the-power/

[Roll Aides]

Article claims that rural Filipinas have flipped the dating script on foreign men with the help of internet tools to hunt and catch their prey.

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/how-the-internet-gave-mail-order-brides-the-power/Article written by a female journalist in Wired presents an implausible but predictable narrative about the empowerment of economically-disadvantaged minority women over old white males by the power of the internet. Substantiation is limited to a single example of dipshit white-knight noob courting a discarded 40-something single mom by throwing money at her, without meeting her or ever visiting the Philippines. Many lulz are had by all.

Let's not get too excited here.