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Soapy Smith
10-15-17, 10:05
Article written by a female journalist in Wired presents an implausible but predictable narrative about the empowerment of economically-disadvantaged minority women over old white males by the power of the internet. Substantiation is limited to a single example of dipshit white-knight noob courting a discarded 40-something single mom by throwing money at her, without meeting her or ever visiting the Philippines. Many lulz are had by all.

Let's not get too excited here.Yes, and even this story has no conclusion. The journalist may have read Tom Friedman's argument that the internet has made the world flat, but it's not quite that simple.

Fastpiston
10-29-17, 22:42
Article written by a female journalist in Wired presents an implausible but predictable narrative about the empowerment of economically-disadvantaged minority women over old white males by the power of the internet. Substantiation is limited to a single example of dipshit white-knight noob courting a discarded 40-something single mom by throwing money at her, without meeting her or ever visiting the Philippines. Many lulz are had by all.

Let's not get too excited here.Impartial thoughtful journalism no longer exists. Most journalism today has deteriorated into ranting.

Red Kilt
11-23-17, 02:10
Having been on Pinalove for a year there are some regular scrags who should be avoided. Different names and profiles, sames pictures and modus operandi.

Then again Pinalove is still a good place for talent. Can just dial up your are preference and there are a handful for Pampanga. Do check the recent activity as any profile that hasn't been accessed for 14 days is most likely inactive. There are many less that it appears.BD provides a great reminder.

I had let my "membership" of Pinalove lapse for the past 6 months and last night I opened up the site again (as a non-member) but still with my preferred age range listed and I was dismayed to see that around 70% of the candidates were the same collection as I had seen for the past year.

There were some fresh faces though so BDs comment in his 2nd para is worth noting.

It emphasizes the fact that the girls with very attractive pics and well-written and enticing narratives must be professional money-seekers otherwise they would have found the "man of their dreams" long ago. They are clearly working the site looking for newbies who don't realize that they have been on pinalove for years. The really clever ones keep changing their names (with a new posting) so that it looks like they are new.

It's an interesting social phenomenon to observe all the dynamics at play.

Member #4643
11-26-17, 16:45
I have been kicked off from DIA three times, and its a pain in the ass to get back on. They are not nearly as savvy as some people suggest: you only need a new email address and a new cell phone number for them to text an activation code. That has worked fine the last two times (the first time I was kicked off, I only needed a new email address because they did not yet do the phone activation code yet).

Many of the men here (like me) like to be honest before taking the girl home for sex. I am simply not looking for my next girlfriend (although sometimes that happens) and definitely NEVER looking for a wife. I could probably fuck 75% of the girls on the first date and all but one or two on the second date if I said I told them I was looking for LTR or marriage ("serious" But, I am not. I just want a date that ends naked and horizontal.

Has anyone here ever told a DIA girl that you are only looking for a short time girl for fun? I would never mention compensation, because I think you would have to be very smart in your wording to avoid flagging the system. Most of the girls know that they will get money (even the girls who date for "serious" expect money, despite protestations to thecontrary), and if they raise the issue I simply say, "you will be happy when you leave"). Mostly, I never mention money because I worry that the DIA computer algorithms would flag such a statement and close my account. I like DIA and want to keep it. I have literally found a dozen girls from DIA over the last five years and find it a good resource.

By the way, on pinalove, you can ask about sex straight out without getting blocked. It is true that most of the girls have been trolling for a long time and are therefore pros or semi-pros, but I like that (cheaper and usually far more GFE than an escort service). But, there are plenty of new girls of all ages, many of whom are not looking for "serious" if you propose something less than a LTR.

Flyboy 2000
11-27-17, 00:20
Forest: DIA can be a real pain in the ass with things like that. You even have top watch sending a message too similar to too many women, for example if shortly before your trip you ping a bunch with your WeChat address or whatever, it's easy to copy-paste-edit-send this one message but DIA will pick up the similarities and treat this as spam.

Twice now I have had an account closed for zero good reason, one time I suspect it was a lady I'd met whom I turned down because she proved to be very fat compared to her taken-a-decade-ago photo so I think she lodged a complain against my profile in spite.

At least with Blendr they give you a warning, but DIA just shuts you right down, and while you can set up a fresh account you lose all the chats (including details on the girls etc) from your previous account.

So yeah, you have to skirt the issue of P4P very carefully in the language you use! It's made worse because in my experience a lot of them just tick all the boxes to say what they're looking for in a relationship, including 'dating' and 'romance' (not sure how DIA differentiates between those or expects anybody else to do so), yet when you try to raise the prospect of a casual 'dating' encounter some ladies rear up at the idea of 'just fun, just sex'. So you have to be very diplomatic too, and this just makes things harder.

My MO is to explain that as a travelling businessman I visit a city on my own, and stay for a few days and it'd be nice to have the company of an interesting local lady for dinners and nights and maybe some local sight-seeing, and I also make it clear in my profile that I am not seeing a long-term relationship. Some women still need you to walk through what this 'means' for them and will quickly jump to criticism you only want sex or fun or friends with benefits, and that's where I have to tread gently because if they're offended and click that button to report you to DIA, bang, you can be banned.

(I just explain that I visit the city often and would like to see them each time I visit, the first thing though is that we get along well and that we both enjoy our time together and that we are honest with each other "just like I am being honest with you" etc, because the honesty & respect card plays well with them and can mollify them).

Flyboy 2000
11-27-17, 08:38
One other thing on Date In Asia – try to get the girl's WeChat or WhatsApp details as early as you can and note those down, just in case your DIA account is later closed through no fault of your own, at least you won't have to go back after setting up a new account to find all those girls from scratch.

Red Kilt
11-27-17, 08:47
<SNIP>

My MO is to explain that as a travelling businessman I visit a city on my own, and stay for a few days and it'd be nice to have the company of an interesting local lady for dinners and nights and maybe some local sight-seeing, and I also make it clear in my profile that I am not seeing a long-term relationship. Some women still need you to walk through what this 'means' for them and will quickly jump to criticism you only want sex or fun or friends with benefits, and that's where I have to tread gently because if they're offended and click that button to report you to DIA, bang, you can be banned.

(I just explain that I visit the city often and would like to see them each time I visit, the first thing though is that we get along well and that we both enjoy our time together and that we are honest with each other "just like I am being honest with you" etc, because the honesty & respect card plays well with them and can mollify them).I like your MO FlyB and your careful and thoughtful response highlighted above. That's the only way to succeed on DIA, and I abandoned it ages ago.

I now use pinalove exclusively.

Even there, it gets very difficult when you meet someone on line who acts very demure and innocent at first and conveys the impression of disgust at the guys who are only interested in sex. Most times I don't persist and cut off the chat at that point but I am amazed at how, if you keep stringing them along, and they get to "know" you better, they suddenly change their approach.

I chatted to one of these "pure" types recently. Very attractive and definitive about how she hated "naughty" chat and dirty men and there were so many online.. After some back and forth chatter I mentioned that I am tall and slim and she remarked that in my photo I seemed to have long fingers. When I agreed with her that my fingers were long she then said "I wonder what else is long".

Bingo!

The rest of the chat was very naughty and by the time we finished she was suggesting that we should meet so she could, amongst other things, check up if I was telling the truth.

One chat of two completely different halves. She is a work in progress.

Hutsori
11-28-17, 02:08
Has anyone here ever told a DIA girl that you are only looking for a short time girl for fun?Yes, but that was before it got draconian. The site's key word filter is too capricious and god knows what will get you banned. Establish contact, exchange details for email, sms, or video, and move there.

Mogwai
11-28-17, 11:33
I chatted to one of these "pure" types recently. Very attractive and definitive about how she hated "naughty" chat and dirty men and there were so many online.. After some back and forth chatter I mentioned that I am tall and slim and she remarked that in my photo I seemed to have long fingers. When I agreed with her that my fingers were long she then said "I wonder what else is long".
I think your kilt is long because you don't wear anything under it.

D Cups
11-28-17, 14:21
I now use pinalove exclusively. ..they get to "know" you better, they suddenly change their approach.. ..she then said "I wonder what else is long".Thanks Red. I may have to try this since DIA kicked me out and I have had only moderate success with Fiilpino Cupid. So many scammer chicks. On another topic, have you been to Ozamiz City? Is it safe there? There is a cupid chick there I would like to see. Or maybe fly her to Cebu. Cheers, mate.

Questor55
11-28-17, 20:04
Thanks Red. I may have to try this since DIA kicked me out and I have had only moderate success with Fiilpino Cupid. So many scammer chicks. On another topic, have you been to Ozamiz City? Is it safe there? There is a cupid chick there I would like to see. Or maybe fly her to Cebu. Cheers, mate.I've traveled extensively by public transport over most of Mindanao. Times have changed and now it is increasingly dangerous in many parts of the island. Rather than flying her to Cebu (Dapitan or CDO) better to have her take a ferry to Cebu.

Red Kilt
11-29-17, 02:20
On another topic, have you been to Ozamiz City? Is it safe there? There is a cupid chick there I would like to see. Or maybe fly her to Cebu. Cheers, mate.I have been there several times but not since 2005 and with the renewed NPA activity all over the Philippines I wouldn't be going there myself for a while. NPA = New Peoples' Army. It's a rag-tag guerilla group but in some areas (East to SE Luzon), they are quite well organized

I'd fly her (or ferry her) to Cebu if I were you.

To other guys chatting to women in various far-flung places, be advised that Pres Du30 has decided to go to war with the NPA and they have retaliated by saying "bring it on". Since there are pockets of NPA cells all over the country, you should take more care in travelling off the beaten track. If they step up their activity they will need additional funds, and a white guy roaming around might be tempting as a potential source.

Don't listen to the locals when they say "it's very safe here". They always say that. It's safe for them. Their judgment is not always good.

Red Kilt
11-29-17, 08:12
Tip for those using dating or meeting sites online.

Some girls post multiple pics in which their mouths are very tightly closed.

Buyer beware. The closed mouth usually signals some dental irregularities that they wish to conceal.

Further evidence can be gathered by chatting with cam; it is difficult to conceal crooked or missing teeth in that situation.

I mention this factor because of direct experience within the past 2 weeks, and when I checked out a sample of profiles I saw several candidates with the "closed mouth" look.

I suggest they may be hiding something.

Of course, for guys like DCups who never looks above the chest, a wrecked mouth probably doesn't matter (joke lang).

Chocha Monger
11-29-17, 12:01
I have been there several times but not since 2005 and with the renewed NPA activity all over the Philippines I wouldn't be going there myself for a while. NPA = New Peoples' Army. It's a rag-tag guerilla group but in some areas (East to SE Luzon), they are quite well organized

I'd fly her (or ferry her) to Cebu if I were you.

To other guys chatting to women in various far-flung places, be advised that Pres Du30 has decided to go to war with the NPA and they have retaliated by saying "bring it on". Since there are pockets of NPA cells all over the country, you should take more care in travelling off the beaten track. If they step up their activity they will need additional funds, and a white guy roaming around might be tempting as a potential source.

Don't listen to the locals when they say "it's very safe here". They always say that. It's safe for them. Their judgment is not always good.The NPA raises funds from extorting local and foreign businesses. That is something to keep in mind for those aspiring to do business in the Philippines. In addition, they raise funds for their operations by cultivating and selling weed. Potheads looking to score highs may unwittingly fall into the clutches of NPA cells looking to take hostages for ransom. The only consolation for fellas taken hostage is that some of the NPA girls have really big boobs, which can distract some men from dwelling on the misery of captivity.

RengadeMaster
11-30-17, 03:04
I have been kicked off from DIA three times, and its a pain in the ass to get back on. They are not nearly as savvy as some people suggest: you only need a new email address and a new cell phone number for them to text an activation code. That has worked fine the last two times.I got booted off DIA before I even arrived here in Phils and all I did was change my profile pic and location to a city in Phils, the pics were easily recognizable as being myself in both, I then got my local sim sorted and registered another account with different email addy, no code sent WTF.

Waste of time, we chat was off the hook in manila but no good as it ain't in the search criteria (at least I can't find it) theres only 4 areas listed, Cebu, Caloocan, Davao and manila. Am I missing something?

Flyboy 2000
11-30-17, 08:32
Some girls post multiple pics in which their mouths are very tightly closed. Buyer beware. The closed mouth usually signals some dental irregularities that they wish to conceal. Of course, for guys like DCups who never looks above the chest, a wrecked mouth probably doesn't matter (joke lang).Hahahaha, well said!

And very true, I've also noticed quite a few pics where the mouth is *too* closed, and when you scroll through their other pics you see some with them smiling to show teeth covered in braces. Seems like rather a lot of Pinays even in 20's have braces. Not rushing to those as a rule, not that I have an issue with braces but I completed my quota of girls-with-braces tongue-kissing and blowjobs back when I was a teenager!

BrainDrain
12-01-17, 00:03
Hahahaha, well said!

And very true, I've also noticed quite a few pics where the mouth is *too* closed, and when you scroll through their other pics you see some with them smiling to show teeth covered in braces. Seems like rather a lot of Pinays even in 20's have braces. Not rushing to those as a rule, not that I have an issue with braces but I completed my quota of girls-with-braces tongue-kissing and blowjobs back when I was a teenager!We've had this discussion in the Forum before. Many of the girls are using home braces kits to make themselves look more affluent. If you want dental perfection then that is in the USA.[/quote]

I know a beautiful degree qualified, 24 year old, no kids filipina that I've been seeing regularly for the past 6 months. Last visit she now has braces. Would you drop her wonderful performance and friendship because she has braces?
As for dental hygiene the girls and filipinos in general brush their teeth extensively.

Turning away girls just because they have braces would reduce your experiences.

BD.

Wicked Roger
12-01-17, 07:39
Turning away girls just because they have braces would reduce your experiences.

BD.As long as she does not get her braces caught on your todger BD during a BJ. I agree they clean their teeth a lot (well the ones I know do) but it surprising the number who have dentures. Oral hygiene is very important in many way and if you sploodge on her dentures the taste may linger if some gets trapped LOL.

Mr Enternational
12-01-17, 08:45
I've also noticed quite a few pics where the mouth is *too* closed, and when you scroll through their other pics you see some with them smiling to show teeth covered in braces. Seems like rather a lot of Pinays even in 20's have braces. Not rushing to those as a rule, not that I have an issue with braces but I completed my quota of girls-with-braces tongue-kissing and blowjobs back when I was a teenager!Like BD said, those are not real braces. In Latin America as well the craze is fashion braces. My ex girlfriend in PI had fucked up teeth. When I asked her how much braces would cost she said $800. If you think the chicks you are scrolling through on the internet are paying that much for real braces then you have another thing coming.

P. S. I don't think modern day authentic braces come with the snagging effect that their predecessors did.

Mogwai
12-01-17, 10:08
Waste of time, we chat was off the hook in manila but no good as it ain't in the search criteria (at least I can't find it) theres only 4 areas listed, Cebu, Caloocan, Davao and manila. Am I missing something?I suppose you are talking about the region you have to enter in your profile? It doesn't matter what you fill in there. You can fill in your home country and region or any other country and region.

Just click on 'Discover' and then 'People Nearby' and WeChat will find the people who are close to you, based on the location setting of your phone. So that must be turned on and set to 'high accuracy'.

Chocha Monger
12-01-17, 21:06
As long as she does not get her braces caught on your todger BD during a BJ. I agree they clean their teeth a lot (well the ones I know do) but it surprising the number who have dentures. Oral hygiene is very important in many way and if you sploodge on her dentures the taste may linger if some gets trapped LOL.There was a 60-year-old fella on the Davao board looking for girls to cuddle and kiss. Anyway, his greatest fear was catching his foreskin between the girls' braces and their teeth during a blowjob. He also had a phobia of false teeth and was terrified of kissing girls with dentures. I think in the end, he decided to make the girls take out their dentures before kisses and blowjobs. In spite of the ubiquity of rotten teeth and dentures in the Philippines, he was able to find a Pinay to cuddle and kiss in the end. He was planning to marry one of the girls in Davao and take her back to Italy. Apparently, they arrived at a compromise. Instead of keeping her false teeth in a jar of water on the nightstand next to the bed, she promised to hide them in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom so he would not be frightened in the mornings. Love really does conquer all.

Member #4558
12-02-17, 01:14
Thanks Red. I may have to try this since DIA kicked me out and I have had only moderate success with Fiilpino Cupid. So many scammer chicks. On another topic, have you been to Ozamiz City? Is it safe there? There is a cupid chick there I would like to see. Or maybe fly her to Cebu. Cheers, mate.One of my fellow co workers is from Ozamiz and states its challenged these days but within city limits you would probably be safe. We were jibber jabbering regarding this prior to me reading this thread and he told me if he picked me up I would be safer than if I traveled by myself because back home he would through "the word of mouth" get an idea if any unwanted activity was nearby. I don't know if I would trust a online girl though to take care of your safety and all that.

Mr Enternational
12-02-17, 03:27
He also had a phobia of false teeth and was terrified of kissing girls with dentures. I think in the end, he decided to make the girls take out their dentures before kisses and blowjobs. In spite of the ubiquity of rotten teeth and dentures in the Philippines, I knew that broad had dentures. I used to mess with a pinay chick here in Pattaya that is married to a well off European. Her teeth were pretty much perfect in the front and when I kissed her it felt like plastic on the roof of her mouth. I had my suspicions but now I guess it was true.

WestCoast1
12-02-17, 03:48
Instead of keeping her false teeth in a jar of water on the nightstand next to the bed, she promised to hide them in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom so he would not be frightened in the mornings. Love really does conquer all.That, and a thousand pesos.

Haha you're killin' me Smalls!

Soapy Smith
12-02-17, 12:33
As for dental hygiene the girls and filipinos in general brush their teeth extensively.But did you ever see one who uses floss, or, if you introduce her to it, knows how to use it?

WestCoast1
12-02-17, 15:12
But did you ever see one who uses floss, or, if you introduce her to it, knows how to use it?No. I've shown several girls, but they think its odd.

Soapy Smith
12-04-17, 04:50
No. I've shown several girls, but they think its odd.My experience too. And they see no point in continuing wiith it.

WestCoast1
12-04-17, 05:08
My experience too. And they see no point in continuing wiith it.From their perspective, floss is also expensive. Also the girls brush for fresh breath, I'm not sure they are familiar with plaque.

RengadeMaster
12-04-17, 09:47
I suppose you are talking about the region you have to enter in your profile? It doesn't matter what you fill in there. You can fill in your home country and region or any other country and region.

Just click on 'Discover' and then 'People Nearby' and WeChat will find the people who are close to you, based on the location setting of your phone. So that must be turned on and set to 'high accuracy'.I have location settings on for we chat but its throwing up people from Cebu saying they are 100 mtrs from me and I'm in Dumagete, now I'm no geography expert but Cebu is deffo more than a few hundred mtrs from Duma, something ain't right.

Mogwai
12-04-17, 16:22
I have location settings on for we chat but its throwing up people from Cebu saying they are 100 mtrs from me and I'm in Dumagete, now I'm no geography expert but Cebu is deffo more than a few hundred mtrs from Duma, something ain't right.That's because those people have chosen to fill in Cebu as the region where they live in their profile. Like you said there are only 4 choices, so they take the one that's the closest to where they live.

When you are in Angeles and use WeChat you will see that almost all of the people that show up in People Nearby are from Manila. But most of them are not really from Manila but live in Angeles and are really close to you.

Goferring
12-04-17, 23:41
Typically I rely on face to face options (bars, shopping malls, freelancers etc) for hook ups. However, I'm in Dumaguete heading to Cebu tomorrow so I thought I would try my luck at using PinaLove to prearrange some options.

Let me say upfront that I have zero experience with the Chat sites and zero Game when it comes to on line hook ups. Despite that I've been flooded with options for meetings and within one or two messages, I've got their number and an ok to meet up when I arrive. Only one girl told me outright that she will not meet at the hotel (perhaps she will be ok with returning after an introductory coffe, who knows? All the other seem keen as mustard. I realise that some / a lot will just be promises and will fall by the way side but the odds are still looking good for a busy time in Cebu.

My question is what value do others see in extended online correspondence with the girls? I read of guys having long conversations with them, video chats etc. Is there value in this? I've got no interest in dirty talk nor swapping naked pics. I've already got their contact details and know what they look like so why the courting period online?

My plan is to meet at a convenient coffee shop or similar for final interviews. If the profile photos are 5 years or 50 lbs ago we can just shake hands and walk away. I've only lost the cost of a coffee. That's a small price to pay for the opportunity to judge the viability. Is this a good plan or have I missed something?

BaddHabbit
12-05-17, 00:34
My question is what value do others see in extended online correspondence with the girls? I read of guys having long conversations with them, video chats etc. Is there value in this? I've got no interest in dirty talk nor swapping naked pics. I've already got their contact details and know what they look like so why the courting period online?

My plan is to meet at a convenient coffee shop or similar for final interviews. If the profile photos are 5 years or 50 lbs ago we can just shake hands and walk away. I've only lost the cost of a coffee. That's a small price to pay for the opportunity to judge the viability. Is this a good plan or have I missed something?There are people who argue that getting on a video chat is important for a couple of reasons. One: To ensure that the pics really do represent the person you are connecting with. Two: The argument is that if you can convince them to send naked pics and / or strip down to any extent on video, you both guarantee that they are DTF, pretty much end any LMR, and also hugely increase the likelihood that they will show rather than flake (they have now 'invested' in seeing you.). As to long conversations, that doesn't seem necessary!

Cheers,

BH.

Sammon
12-05-17, 03:26
Typically I rely on face to face options (bars, shopping malls, freelancers etc) for hook ups. However, I'm in Dumaguete heading to Cebu tomorrow so I thought I would try my luck at using PinaLove to prearrange some options.

Let me say upfront that I have zero experience with the Chat sites and zero Game when it comes to on line hook ups. Despite that I've been flooded with options for meetings and within one or two messages, I've got their number and an ok to meet up when I arrive. Only one girl told me outright that she will not meet at the hotel (perhaps she will be ok with returning after an introductory coffe, who knows? All the other seem keen as mustard. I realise that some / a lot will just be promises and will fall by the way side but the odds are still looking good for a busy time in Cebu.

My question is what value do others see in extended online correspondence with the girls? I read of guys having long conversations with them, video chats etc. Is there value in this? I've got no interest in dirty talk nor swapping naked pics. I've already got their contact details and know what they look like so why the courting period online?

My plan is to meet at a convenient coffee shop or similar for final interviews. If the profile photos are 5 years or 50 lbs ago we can just shake hands and walk away. I've only lost the cost of a coffee. That's a small price to pay for the opportunity to judge the viability. Is this a good plan or have I missed something?I have done both. Have the girls come to the room and met them outside. Video chat is good in the sense you get to see each other and also discuss intimate details which cannot be done in chat sites. Can plan plan how many days and find out what benefits she is expecting. Sometimes it is better to interact so that Ice is broken. Many of the girls are scared to be with a stranger. Once they feel you can be trusted rest is easy. Sex is better. It is also easy to convince girls to take a trip to be with you, go on vacations. I have gotten girls to come from the provinces and stay with me many times.

Meeting outside gives you and the girl to easily escape if you do not like each other. Problem is sometimes they do not come alone. Sometimes with family and sometimes with a friend. It is impossible to talk when families are present and delicate when friend is present. If the girl likes you she will come with you.

Generally coming to the hotel is good although you have not seen the girl in person. I insist on coming alone which they do. I also have had ladyboys pretending to be a girl come to the hotel. Security usually warns you and I tell them to not to let the person to my room. Sometimes I met downstairs in the lobby. If I do not like the girl I give some money for the taxi and tell them I am not interested.

Overall I have had good experiences getting girls from dating sites. Need to be patient and treat them like a GF rather than a prostitute although money definitely changes hands. I have taken girls on vacation and had great sex with them.

Mr Enternational
12-05-17, 03:36
I have location settings on for we chat but its throwing up people from Cebu saying they are 100 mtrs from me and I'm in Dumagete, now I'm no geography expert but Cebu is deffo more than a few hundred mtrs from Duma, something ain't right.I think Cebu is more like a few thousand meters from Dumaguete. I forgot which part of Cebu me and my ex went to that resort in, but when I was scuba diving one American guy on the boat said his son was working with the Peace Corps in Dumaguete while pointing to the land across the water. We were only maybe 2 minutes from the Cebu shoreline at the time. On the map, that corner piece of land on the right side of the water is where we were diving from in Cebu, while on the left is Dumaguete. Appears to be no more than 4km of water between the two.

Wicked Roger
12-05-17, 04:26
There are people who argue that getting on a video chat is important for a couple of reasons. One: To ensure that the pics really do represent the person you are connecting with. Two: The argument is that if you can convince them to send naked pics and / or strip down to any extent on video, you both guarantee that they are DTF, pretty much end any LMR, and also hugely increase the likelihood that they will show rather than flake (they have now 'invested' in seeing you.). As to long conversations, that doesn't seem necessary!

Cheers,

BH.Both great points BD and if unsure if a LB (as a main reason for me to cam with them) and can't be sure then a strip will / may help your knowledge LOL (and surprise you also maybe LOL).

But if a stunner in your eyes I would strongly suggest a cam chat and have a see (not a quick 10 seconds but a long chat).

Flyboy 2000
12-05-17, 23:28
What's a fair price to offer casual "dates" from Date in Asia, Blendr etc? Realise there might be a gulf between very active freelancers who are almost part-time WLs, and those who are more casual and maybe do one or two hook-ups a week, but what's a fair price to offer for a short-time visit and an overnight? Would not want to offend or disappoint a nice lady by handing her an envelope with too little shopping money, eg P2000? But nor do I want to spoil things by paying well above the mark and raising expectations, eg P5000?

WestCoast1
12-06-17, 14:56
What's a fair price to offer casual "dates" from Date in Asia, Blendr etc? Realise there might be a gulf between very active freelancers who are almost part-time WLs, and those who are more casual and maybe do one or two hook-ups a week, but what's a fair price to offer for a short-time visit and an overnight? Would not want to offend or disappoint a nice lady by handing her an envelope with too little shopping money, eg P2000? But nor do I want to spoil things by paying well above the mark and raising expectations, eg P5000?FB: Manila? Cebu? Province? The amount changes.

D Cups
12-06-17, 16:20
Manila 2000-5000; cebu 1500 - 3000; Angeles 2500 - 4000;province 1000 - 2000


FB: Manila? Cebu? Province? The amount changes..

Mogwai
12-07-17, 08:35
Manila 2000-5000; cebu 1500 - 3000; Angeles 2500 - 4000;province 1000 - 2000.Why such high prices for Angeles? I usually give 1000 for ST and 1500 for LT for freelancers that I find in WeChat or Badoo.

D Cups
12-07-17, 11:40
Ya I was doing some "finer" bargirls but you're right; average streetwslker is way cheaper.


Why such high prices for Angeles? I usually give 1000 for ST and 1500 for LT for freelancers that I find in WeChat or Badoo.

Flyboy 2000
12-08-17, 08:00
Should have been more specific, my request was with regards to Manila, but am sure others here will appreciate the pricing for different regions.

Flyboy 2000
12-08-17, 08:29
So I'm doing a bit of mix-and-match on this first trip to Manila, seeing some freelancers from Date in Asia and Blendr as well as the bar scene. Will post more after the trip's done but for now, have to share this at least to 'vent'.

WTF is it with some Pinays who seem just so frigging dumb? Yes, working off a small sample but seems that others here have noted similar. A few of them during online chats seeming dense, well, I can accept differences in language although sometimes they just don't 'get' stuff.

Anyway, I have a shortlist of several I met online who've been duty rated, and I decided to give my afternoon to one who is early 20's and has a child and is out of work. Was a toss-up between her and a 19 yo student, my body said "Student, hot!" but my heart said "MILF, after all she's got a baby to look after". Should have ignored the heart!

The MILF was very appreciative of my offer to "help her out", ken to meet up, and so it was that we met for lunch and then headed back to my hotel.

Now alarm bells were buzzing away when she seemed a little 'distant' rather than 'enthusiastic' but I put that down to her perhaps just not being 100% comfortable for some reason, although I did consider after lunch sending her on her way with a little spending money for her time, but no, I decided to give her benefit of the doubt and so we headed back to my hotel. She did hold my arm in a nice gentle way which made me think she was perhaps just a bit shy at first.

Anyway: we get into the room, and at the appropriate point I go to kiss her and it's barely a peck from her, I pull back and ask point blank what's wrong. She says she has her period! WTF?

I just look at her, count to five, and then ask in a firm but not angry way why she agreed to meet me and come back to the hotel if she had per period? Did she ever have sex during her period? No, she replies, at which point I say "Well why did you come here? I think it's very selfish of you to do this to me" and March her back out the door, down to the lobby, she's totally clammed up like a frigging 8 year old caught doing something wrong by a parent and given a good speaking to, yet which point she has the asks for some money for her son. "Sorry but I bought you lunch and in return you wasted my time, so lunch is all you get today. ".

I just can't fathom how anybody could have their brain in neutral to such an extent!

Okay, off to get some proper fun for the evening!

Mua Tur
12-08-17, 10:28
Manila 2000-5000; cebu 1500 - 3000; Angeles 2500 - 4000;province 1000 - 2000.He he, you missed one more things. What about the ages!

The more ages the less money or none. Even a land lord girl of 40+ from Negros Occi, offered me she would pay my travel cost, if I extend my tour from Cebu to her city (slipped out the city name). Amazing.

Flyboy 2000
12-08-17, 14:36
I have done both. Have the girls come to the room and met them outside. Video chat is good in the sense you get to see each other and also discuss intimate details which cannot be done in chat sites. Can plan plan how many days and find out what benefits she is expecting. Sometimes it is better to interact so that Ice is broken. Many of the girls are scared to be with a stranger. Once they feel you can be trusted rest is easy. Sex is better. It is also easy to convince girls to take a trip to be with you, go on vacations. I have gotten girls to come from the provinces and stay with me many times.
Overall I have had good experiences getting girls from dating sites. Need to be patient and treat them like a GF rather than a prostitute although money definitely changes hands. I have taken girls on vacation and had great sex with them.Agree that when it works out, it works out really well. This is where a nice bit of upfront chat helps, it develops a rapport and some common ground, and also. This is important to me. Demonstrates to me the ability to have a conversation. As a rule, the better we get on online, the better we'll get on not only in person but in the sack.


Meeting outside gives you and the girl to easily escape if you do not like each other.Yes, did this in HK recently, met one at the cafe and quickly realised she'd used a very old photo and had put on a lot of weight since then, which just strikes me as dishonest and a poor reflection on character overall, and to be honest I just could not be bothered taking it any further so just had my coffee over polite small talk and left it at that "Well, thanks for coming to meet me, was nice to chat, see you later" etc. She was rather astonished, I think she felt she was going to get laid!


Problem is sometimes they do not come alone. Sometimes with family and sometimes with a friend. It is impossible to talk when families are present and delicate when friend is present. If the girl likes you she will come with you.That would be an instant turn-off for me. One I was getting to know online ahead of my Manila trip, when I arrived I suggested we meet up and she wanted to bring her mother and sister, and this woman was mid-20's, no late teen, so I just said "Sorry, I'm only interested in meeting you, they're not invited" and dropped it. I think as you spend a bit of time on these sites and gain some experience you do become a bit cold-blooded, a bit mercenary.

Flyboy 2000
12-08-17, 14:45
There are people who argue that getting on a video chat is important for a couple of reasons. One: To ensure that the pics really do represent the person you are connecting with. Two: The argument is that if you can convince them to send naked pics and / or strip down to any extent on video, you both guarantee that they are DTF, pretty much end any LMR, and also hugely increase the likelihood that they will show rather than flake (they have now 'invested' in seeing you.). As to long conversations, that doesn't seem necessary!I'm not a huge fan of videochat but definitely it can relax the girl to see your face and 'get' that you're an okay guy, even that alone paved the way for a fun evening in HK recently. As to getting her to send 'naughty' pics, I'm going to say this is a brilliant tip and strategy. Just on this visit to Manila, there was one girl on Blendr who I got along well with, we moved it to WeChat and it seemed from my end that we were up for a fun evening of dinner + bedroom (the tone of the chats, teasing comments, her having already mentioned crap job with little money and my mentioning I'd be good to her if she was good to me, etc) so I tried this idea during one chat on the afternoon we were to meet that evening. Asked her to send me a photo of what I'd see that night. She sent a selfie. I replied that I was hoping to see a sneak preview of what I'd see 'under the covers', in bed, and it quickly became evident she somehow thought we were just 'meeting up' for dinner. Didn't read this as her being coy or shy like many Asian women can be, even when they first get to the room. Nope. So, that tip of yours saved me quite some wasted time and money!

Kabul Guy
12-09-17, 01:26
.......

That would be an instant turn-off for me. One I was getting to know online ahead of my Manila trip, when I arrived I suggested we meet up and she wanted to bring her mother and sister, and this woman was mid-20's, no late teen, so I just said "Sorry, I'm only interested in meeting you, they're not invited" and dropped it. I think as you spend a bit of time on these sites and gain some experience you do become a bit cold-blooded, a bit mercenary.I agree with the comment about being cold-blooded and a bit mercenary but I usually agree with them having a second along on first meeting.

My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.

I have found that the ones that want a second initially are usually more to the "good girl" end of the spectrum than the "bar girl" end. The "good girl" is my target hunting pool. What it means is that I make an investment of a couple of hours and a meal or a coffee for the second to make the target comfortable.

Once you make these girls comfortable in your presence the sex is almost automatic. This makes the initial investment usually pay off quite well as you get a "good girl" which is usually less costly financially than a "bar girl" but you may pay other ways. That is where being cold-blooded comes in handy, you can resist the 100's of texts saying "I love you, I miss you, Please see me again. ".

No absolute rights or wrongs, just different tastes and hunting strategies.

Happy humping.

KG.

Goferring
12-09-17, 02:13
My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.

I have found that the ones that want a second initially are usually more to the "good girl" end of the spectrum than the "bar girl" end. The "good girl" is my target hunting pool. What it means is that I make an investment of a couple of hours and a meal or a coffee for the second to make the target comfortable.

KG.I'the suggest that the concept of good girl vs bad girl can also be very fluid and subject to circumstances.

You will always have the extremes of the beautiful Hi-so girls who are not going to sleep with anyone unless there is a long term commitment and the guy is socially acceptable vs the freelancers who will sleep with anyone who calls and has the cost of admission.

In between there are many girls who will be "good" to guys that will perhaps see them over a longer period of time, be in contact with their work mates, friends or family or have the ability to affect their status or replutation. These same girls may also be "bad" when the suitor does not impact these and simply offers a short term night of fun and / or temporary source of funding and then will be gone.

The same can be said when it is the girls who are on tour. A pack of two or three girls on holiday, who were mild mannered account clerks at home can be absolutely ravenous when away from prying eyes and sharp tongues.

Being a resident can open up access to the "better"girls where as being a short term tourist or business visitor can lead to good girls dropping their guard quicker.

Goferring
12-09-17, 02:45
My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.
KG.Kabul,

Is it common in Manila to also keep a small stable of "very good" girls simply for their conversation and companionship skills?

When I lived elsewhere in Asia, copious great sex was so redily available that getting laid was sometimes not the primary aim of a date. We foreign residents would have a couple of contacts that we would date just for their companionship. These girls were generally stunningly beautiful, very well educated, had good jobs and their own money. They could hold conversation with anyone who entered the room on pretty much any topic. No money ever changed hands and it was always clear that the night was not going to end with a quicky back at the hotel.

Put simply they were fabulous company and that was why went out with them.

Gen X Baer
12-09-17, 07:15
Hey there gents.

I will be moving into Borracay within two months and am reaching out to get some wisdom on how the playing field is there if anyone has anything to share. Info on how / where to search for an accomodation (apartment / studio would be nice), and of course, how the mongering scene is and pull girls. You can refer to my past posts and will note I tend to RTF and input what I can.

Looking forward to hearing from all.

Regards,

GenX.

Mr Enternational
12-09-17, 08:05
I will be moving into Borracay within two months and am reaching out to get some wisdom on how the playing field is there if anyone has anything to share. Info on how / where to search for an accomodation (apartment / studio would be nice), and of course, how the mongering scene is and pull girls. You can refer to my past posts and will note I tend to RTF and input what I can.This past February I was in Boracay on vacation with my girl. From what I picked up, Boracay is a couples / family beach vacation destination and not a monger destination. It is very rare to have a mainstream vacation place double as a monger place. That is somewhere that you want to bring your own girl, not be forced to search for one. There are many normal jobs available there due to the high tourism numbers, so I don't really think they need to use prostitution as an option.

Kabul Guy
12-09-17, 08:09
I'the suggest that the concept of good girl vs bad girl can also be very fluid and subject to circumstances.



......My categories are simply arbitrary cutoff's on a continuous scale. An individual girl's placement along this scale and her behaviors can also change, sometimes quickly, depending on circumstances. For example; a regular girl may demonstrate semi-pro behaviors when bills are due.

Good girls.

Hard to find because they will not usually date foreigners because of the stigma associated with that in Phil society. They are typically religious, social conservative types. Most likely sexually inexperienced. To get anywhere you will need to meet the family and pass their approval as well. Looking for a commitment before sex. They would be very insulted of the offer of money for sex, that is most likely the best way to not get laid is to offer money for sex.

I think that the best long-term relationship comes out of this pool but the odds of actually meeting one and getting to a long-term status is slight. Especially since my target age range is 25 to 35 and I am in my 60's). You might have more luck with provincial good girls than big city good girls.

Regular Girls.

They will date, you really need to get them comfortable with you before sex. It often takes the second date at least, sometimes longer. I will go 3 dates before sex only unless she has something special going for her. (Hot, educated, good company etc.).

You may or may not need to meet family; they often ask to bring a friend, sister, cousin etc. along on the first date. They will also be insulted by an offer of money for sex but may accept some 'help with expenses'.

Some good times had in this group. The best possibility for a long-term relationship IMHO. They are willing to meet and not as likely to cheat on you the second your back is turned.

Semi pro's.

They are sex workers but usually only to supplement their salaries or for special needs. They don't like being offered money for sex but will accept a gift. They may not even ask for money leading people who don't understand the scene to think that they got free sex. That is akin to "sexual shoplifting".

They need to get comfortable with you but will have sex first date.

Pro's.

Only interested in the cash, as much as possible for as little work as possible. Will fuck anything anytime anywhere for money and do so just about every night.

Happy Humping

KG

Mogwai
12-09-17, 09:51
Anyway: we get into the room, and at the appropriate point I go to kiss her and it's barely a peck from her, I pull back and ask point blank what's wrong. She says she has her period! WTF?
I just look at her, count to five, and then ask in a firm but not angry way why she agreed to meet me and come back to the hotel if she had per period? Did she ever have sex during her period? No, she replies, at which point I say "Well why did you come here? I think it's very selfish of you to do this to me" and March her back out the door, down to the lobby, she's totally clammed up like a frigging 8 year old caught doing something wrong by a parent and given a good speaking to, yet which point she has the asks for some money for her son. "Sorry but I bought you lunch and in return you wasted my time, so lunch is all you get today. ".
I just can't fathom how anybody could have their brain in neutral to such an extent!Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.

You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.

Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.

Mr Enternational
12-09-17, 11:46
Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.

You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.

Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.That is another big disadvantage of trying to meet chicks online before you go. You get your dick all hard just knowing you are about to be fucking this chick. But you do not know what the situation will be when you have boots on the ground. Maybe she will be super late or not able to make it that day. She might try to bring family along, might be on her period, some higher priority guy may be in town. Now all that time you spent talking up on some pussy (that you are probably paying for anyway) has been wasted. To avoid the frustration, it is much easier to go to a spot like Manila Bay Cafe and make a live choice.

Guys like KG can afford to throw their line in the water and just wait for the proper bite. For guys that have limited time or that are not frequent visitors it leaves too much to chance. That is why whenever I go to a new place I check ISG to see what the pickup spots and cathouses are in case I need a backup for shit happening as it did with Flyboy.

Mr Enternational
12-09-17, 12:47
Semi pro's.

They are sex workers but usually only to supplement their salaries or for special needs. They don't like being offered money for sex but will accept a gift. They may not even ask for money leading people who don't understand the scene to think that they got free sex. That is akin to "sexual shoplifting".

They need to get comfortable with you but will have sex first date.Thanks for laying down the knowledge KG. I have never been able to get behind the semipro deal. To me, either she trades sex for money or she doesn't.

The sexual shoplifting comment got me to thinking about the reverse of that. The main chick that I deal with in Manila I met her probably 5 or so years ago on Date In Asia if I recall correctly. Probably the only reason that I still deal with her is because she has a huge ass that I love. When I first met her on there she told me up front that I would have to give her money to fuck. No problem. So the first time we met we actually took a trip to Coron because I was doing some scuba diving. When we got back I gave her 4000 pesos. We have also gone to Bohol together and it seems like somewhere else. Also give her 4000 then. When she comes to spend the night with me whenever I am in Manila I give her 2000. I will mention that she does have a regular call center job as well.

For me the money for the big ass and the convenience of having someone that I know is not going to flake out come on my scuba diving trips works great. The thing is that I get weirded out because she tries to "relationship shoplift" by always calling me babe and telling me how much she misses me and asking when she is going to see me again; sending me all kinds of naked pictures and wating me to bring her more sex toys. She likes to travel and always asks where we are going to next. She actually brought up the idea and honestly thought that I would take her to Maldives. Shit like that leads me to believe she wants to be in a real relationship, but she never says anything about it nor has ever mentioned anything about other girls. So I guess it could actually just be considered an ultimate GFE.

This is why I had to distance myself from her at the beginning of the year. It just felt awkward to me. So when she would send me messages I would not answer. So finally she met some guy (don't know if it is another foreigner from online or what) and gets pregnant from a one night stand. She does not even know anything about this guy. Saw him that one time and he is gone in the wind. And you know what she said? That she never got pregnant when I came inside of her. Nevermind she does not realize that I am not stupid enough to do that shit without a vasectomy. She attributed her meeting the guy to me ignoring her messages for a month or 2. Not that I would have given a fuck one way or the other, but that makes it seem like I was the only person she was dealing with. May be true, may not be true.

So I started back dealing with her because I love pregnant pussy and will enjoy the milky tits now that she had the baby this past week. I guess the long term GFE from a chick that I am trading money for sex with creeps me out. It is probably because I have not been known to do too many repeats with chicks that I pay.

Flyboy 2000
12-09-17, 13:13
Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.Yep, I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't have time for stunts like that.


You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.I didn't think of the BJ approach, but you know, my mood just went. It'd been hovering on the horizon for a bit due to those aforementioned alarm bells, when she broke the news I was immediately 'over it' and lost all interest. Although to be fair, if she'd have offered I may well have taken her up on it.


Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.

Dg8787
12-09-17, 22:04
Yep, I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't have time for stunts like that.

I didn't think of the BJ approach, but you know, my mood just went. It'd been hovering on the horizon for a bit due to those aforementioned alarm bells, when she broke the news I was immediately 'over it' and lost all interest. Although to be fair, if she'd have offered I may well have taken her up on it.

Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.Flyboy you could have man up and earned some red wings.

I doubt if you taught her a lesson in your teachable learnable moment.

Goferring
12-10-17, 00:57
Typically I rely on face to face options (bars, shopping malls, freelancers etc) for hook ups. However, I'm in Dumaguete heading to Cebu tomorrow so I thought I would try my luck at using PinaLove to prearrange some options.

Let me say upfront that I have zero experience with the Chat sites and zero Game when it comes to on line hook ups.This is intended as a review of a virgin's introduction to PinaLove rather than a review of possible activities in Cebu. For medical reasons, I found it difficult to walk long distances so did not visit any bars, discos etc in Cebu. Nor did I roam the streets and malls looking for freelancers. However, two days before I left Dumaguete for Cebu I did log onto PinaLove and created a profile.

For various reasons, I'm not prepared to have my true photo, name and personal details visible for all to see. Initially my profile, with no photo, received essentially no attention nor replies to my approaches. I then placed a disguised photo on my profile and emphasised in my description that I was in-country, nearby and arriving in Cebu in two days. My search criteria were 18 to 28 females from Cebu City and it was typically me that sent the opening message. The rate of responses to my messages increased substantially.

Early on chatting with the girls I confessed that I used a false profile ("because a friend had a girl black mail him and cause a lot of trouble so I'm don't want to have all my personal details visible to all to see. " my marital status and that I was not looking for a LTR nor a wife. One target replied that she "did not have time to waste" with me. The others that did reply didn't care.

While in Dumaguete, most responders gave me their text or Viber numbers within two or three messages and a confirmation that we could meet - "just text me when you get to Cebu". All were very forthcoming because they were reassured that I was a real possibility and not just wasting their time looking for Camsex or naked photos. I never asked for photos (naked or otherwise), video chatted or had deep and meaningful conversations with anyone. I left the responses after a couple of chats, usually immediately after getting numbers and confirming that they would be happy to meet.

When I arrived in Cebu the response rate to a text to come over was close to 100%. The first night was the only glitch. I arrived late and the intended target made endless promises so I just moved on to another who came over at short notice. Another threesome fell apart when one member literally fell asleep upon entering my room after a long day at work, apologised profusely and they both caught a taxi home. Again they were quickly replaced after one text.

Over the next week I would text and meet candidates at the 7/11 or JollieBee nearest to my hotel. When they arrived I would go down and if all was well, we would go straight up to the room. I never needed to send anyone back home due to misrepresentation. Profile pictures were certainly selected to flatter but none were photoshopped nor another person. On a typical day I would get three to five texts requesting to drop around. I typically rationed myself to two or three shots a day. However, many more could have easily been achieved. I did have one night off to recharge the batteries. Sessions were typically 1 on 1 with a selection of threesomes. A+ was available but not widely promoted.

All up, I found the process very simple and effective. I was looking for, and found, purely commercial commitments. No one was under the impression that an ongoing relationship was forming and I don't expect any unwanted surprise emails or Facebook invites when I return home. The only negative was that the quality of the girls was probably not quite as high as a good bar. The truely attractive girls were certainly holding out for the right offer rather than a night's romp with someone on holiday. Any effort required was in sorting good from bad and tracking multiple text numbers, names, faces etc. Timeliness was a lot better than I thought it would be and I had no security concerns. Costs were standardised at 1500/3000 P ST / LT plus about 200 p taxi fare. I also bought a couple of JollieBees and lunches but those costs were trivial when compared to a night of LDs.

The numbers:

69 initial messages sent.

53 replies received.

35 text numbers and ok to meet received.

3 adhoc messages from "friends" or "cousins" received.

4 permanently outside Cebu.

2 returning in a couple of days.

BrainDrain
12-10-17, 01:24
Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.Two days maid pay certainly made it worth her time.

Kabul Guy
12-10-17, 03:31
Thanks for laying down the knowledge KG. I have never been able to get behind the semipro deal. To me, either she trades sex for money or she doesn't.

....For a pro, it is her full-time job. She makes no excuses and will fuck just about anyone anytime if the price is right. She will be a hardened expert at extracting the most money from you for the least effort on her part. She is FFF only.

A semi-pro is in it for the extra money that she gets that supplements her other income. She has to like you at least a little. She may only be active when bills are due so that she can make rent payments etc. She differs from a regular girl who will accept "gifts" in that she asks for the money directly and takes it without having to fake calling it a "gift". There is a chance of a relationship here, best to keep it P4 P but you might make a commitment for a weekly romp where she is exclusive to you and have at least a 50% chance she would not fuck someone else after she leaves your place.

They are both sex workers, the difference is in how often they work and how they view themselves in the job. Even a regular girl who accepts 'gifts' is a sex worker. The term is rather meaningless to me.

Remember these are merely my arbitrary divisions along a continuum. Any individual girl may be a mix of two adjacent types at any time and may cross over and back depending on circumstances. You may have a different method of dividing the girls but I find that this works well for me.

BrainDrain
12-10-17, 08:19
Remember these are merely my arbitrary divisions along a continuum. Any individual girl may be a mix of two adjacent types at any time and may cross over and back depending on circumstances. You may have a different method of dividing the girls but I find that this works well for me.I would add a level of advertising and sophistication to profiles and the connection pipeline. Both the pro & semi-pro will have dedicated profiles focused on attracting customers. The more casual girls will ot have a dedicated profile, perhaps just meeting friendly facebook contacts that cross their paths hen they are horny.

BD.

Red Kilt
12-10-17, 09:06
I would add a level of advertising and sophistication to profiles and the connection pipeline. Both the pro & semi-pro will have dedicated profiles focused on attracting customers. The more casual girls will not have a dedicated profile, perhaps just meeting friendly facebook contacts that cross their paths when they are horny.The simplest way to pick the pros is to go back to a chat site after a few months away from it and see the same profiles there from month to month.

I was away from pinalove for 6 months.

When I opened up a new profile I saw many of the same posts from women who have been on the site for ages, using the same sexy pics and the same spiel that they have been using ever since they joined. Sometimes they update with a new sexy pic.

They are obviously targeting the newbies who don't realize these women have been trawling for years.

If they were seriously looking for a husband they would have found one by now, because their pics are often very sexy and provocative and would attract guys who didn't realize they have been there for ever..

There can only be one other explanation.

Mogwai
12-10-17, 09:36
Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.500 P is indeed 'nothing' for us but it means a hell of a lot to her. I tried to 'teach YOU a lesson' in a gentle way LOL.
I don't think she has learned anything from your lesson anyway. On the contrary, she probably had to pull that stunt again with another guy because you sent her away empty handed.

It's not such a big deal. I, and all of us I guess, have made similar mistakes the first times we came to the Phils. And I'm still making mistakes.

Flyboy 2000
12-10-17, 12:45
I don't think she has learned anything from your lesson anyway. On the contrary, she probably had to pull that stunt again with another guy because you sent her away empty handed.Well if that's the case I hope he also sends her away empty handed, sooner or later she'll get the message instead of paying her for doing zip.

Mogwai
12-11-17, 08:39
Well if that's the case I hope he also sends her away empty handed, sooner or later she'll get the message instead of paying her for doing zip.I agree with you if a girl is obviously out there to con you and does not really want to give any service. But I think that was not the case here.

Flyboy 2000
12-11-17, 17:45
This is intended as a review of a virgin's introduction to PinaLove rather than a review of possible activities in Cebu...A great breakdown of strategy and results, definite 'Hall of Fame' review!

Dena0
12-12-17, 00:54
I do have fun going backwards and reading various posts over time. This one was so funny thought people might like another read. Need a +1 button!Hilarious!

Marauder
12-15-17, 16:21
Hi Folks, I travel to China regularly and use Wechat. Sometimes when bored, I play with the shake feature. Today I met a Thai girl who suggested that I connect with her on Line.

I am concerned about Line, since I don't know if it will protect my identity. It asked for my phone number, but will my phone number be visible to the people I chat with? I want to remain anonymous. So I haven't signed up yet.

Also, can you use Line to actually meet people, like with Wechat Shake? Is there a better app that you might recommend?

Thanks!

Mr Enternational
12-15-17, 16:25
I always thought it was a dumb idea to keep a chick on retainer, but that is because I assumed guys would be sending way too much. I have a buddy in Thailand that is 71 years old. He has had this chick in the province in PI for quite some time. I think he said she is 30 now. She looks damn good too. When he goes to Manila he rents a condo and she comes to stay with him. He started off sending her $11/month, graduated her to $18/month, and has now moved her up to $25/month. She saved her money and opened a clothing store back home. When he showed me the pictures it was bigger than I thought and had some pretty nice items in it. So I guess things can turn out for the best sometimes when doing a retainer deal.

Mr Enternational
12-15-17, 16:31
Hi Folks, I travel to China regularly and use Wechat. Sometimes when bored, I play with the shake feature. Today I met a Thai girl who suggested that I connect with her on Line.

I am concerned about Line, since I don't know if it will protect my identity. It asked for my phone number, but will my phone number be visible to the people I chat with? I want to remain anonymous. So I haven't signed up yet.

Also, can you use Line to actually meet people, like with Wechat Shake? Is there a better app that you might recommend?

Thanks!Your phone number will not be visible in Line. It only uses it to verify the device. There is not even a way to see someone's handle after you have added them. In Thailand you can use the people nearby function but I just did it in Angeles and it gave me 2 hits: a guy and a dog.

I met a Manila chick on Tinder today and she is telling me that she only has Kakaotalk. Where are they getting this bullshit from and why can't they stick to mainstream communication apps?

BrainDrain
12-16-17, 00:52
I met a Manila chick on Tinder today and she is telling me that she only has Kakaotalk. Where are they getting this bullshit from and why can't they stick to mainstream communication apps?I think most often they do it as they need an app apart from their regular apps. If they have Viber with their real name and real friends then they need to install an app just for their mongering services.

FB Messenger is way too intrusive and wlil retain the names of my other FB account.

Skype I use for Business and need to be logged in my main account.

WeChat I can have multiple accounts, and it hides the other names when not logged in. Easiest for me to have multiple logins with name / password.

Viber each new login needs to be phone verified.

IMessage is way to intrusive.

Maybe Kakaotalk is the new hot property.

BD.

Mua Tur
12-16-17, 06:43
Maybe Kakaotalk is the new hot property.
BD.Kakao is established in 2016 in Korea. Here is there vision as they said.

https://www.kakaocorp.com/kakao/introduce/vision

It's not the popular as the main stream apps are used all over the world. But to by pass the Security observation it could be used by the peoples who are not living in Korea. Mostly not in the list of the security concerns of the respective country. Just need this app in both side for inter-connectivity.

Marauder
12-17-17, 03:26
Haha, sorry about the matches. Did you try talking to the dog for fun?

Thanks for the info, that is exactly what I needed to know.


Your phone number will not be visible in Line. It only uses it to verify the device. There is not even a way to see someone's handle after you have added them. In Thailand you can use the people nearby function but I just did it in Angeles and it gave me 2 hits: a guy and a dog.

I met a Manila chick on Tinder today and she is telling me that she only has Kakaotalk. Where are they getting this bullshit from and why can't they stick to mainstream communication apps?

Eszpresszo
12-17-17, 03:54
here are they getting this bullshit from and why can't they stick to mainstream communication apps?Because your idea of mainstream might not jibe with their reality. Haven't you noticed that in Asia, the apps they use varies greatly from country to country? And with a cheap phone that they can afford, with its limited RAM they can only load so many apps now that phones come bloated with unwanted hardware, you barely have enough room to load all the apps you actually need unless you pony up for a serious phone.

Have you tried IMO yet? Its popular in the PI, its pretty light and can do video on a limited or weak Wifi, where Whatsapp will fail completely.

Red Kilt
12-24-17, 04:35
I had some free time last week so I browsed through this site again (I have a monthly m / ship).

I have mentioned how the profiles and their personal statistics are frequently inaccurate and the following narrative confirms this.

For background, I have the search function set to Location: Manila within 30 kms, Age: 30 yo +, Height: 160 cm +, and I just said "any weight".

Found 3 attractive women; 2 were 5 ft 8 ins, one was 5 ft 7 ins. All were keen to chat and it seemed promising UNTIL I started interrogating them.

All 3 were not in Manila, despite their profile saying Manila. In fact, they were miles away. One was in Roxas City; one in Butuan, Mindanao and the 3rd was in Leyte.

None of them were tall. All 3 admitted to inflating their heights (2 were just 5 ft; one was 5 ft 2 ins). One admitted to "just guessing", but for the other 2 I suspect it was a deliberate ploy.

All said they were "So sorry" when I said they were lying in their profiles, but only one changed her profile to reflect where she actually lives and her correct height.

Just to repeat a warning I have given before about those who use chat sites (in this case, Pinalove). Ask them about their profiles early in your chat, especially "What is your actual location now?

Putting in information that will at least attract some contact (like residence in Manila and being taller than normal) seems to be a much more common mode of operation than it used to be. My m / ship expires on Dec 27 and I won't be renewing.

Roll Aides
12-24-17, 21:43
I had some free time last week so I browsed through this site again (I have a monthly m / ship).

I have mentioned how the profiles and their personal statistics are frequently inaccurate and the following narrative confirms this.One of the more frustrating things about trying to use the potential power of online dating to narrow it down to what you want. Nothing entered by the lovely ladies in the height, weight or location fields has any meaning and should generally be regarded as pure fiction. Often this is not intentional; I have personally never encountered women deliberately lying about being tall, but I have no problem believing it is a thing. Vastly common though, is a total genuine ignorance of what their basic physical specifications are. In all but the most rare cases they are just guessing. Typical exceptions include professional models and highly educated (lol) women who can use a ruler and scale. I would argue that that is a better sort criteria for whether they are in Manila or not, than is their claim that they are in Manila.

The problem is not like in the western world where they are lying, the problem is that they don't know. Location is often misrepresented but is equally often misinterpreted "Province" = what province are you from? No it doesn't darling, where are you now? Sadly the half-ass way of answering any question with whatever bullshit comes to mind, renders a lot of the potential search functionality of dating apps useless. Hilariously, searching women who have tagged themselves "tall", is about as likely to render women who have entered in their profile for whatever reason "I am not tall", and then chosen "tall" as a suggested tag (thank you Filipino Cupid.).

Tldr: at least 95% of the population honestly doesn't know their height or weight, but will give a retarded non-answer anyway. Locations is a crap shoot.

P.S. I use FC as PL is crap in the provinces, maybe it's better in Manila.

Happy holidays all.

MohdirFan82
12-24-17, 22:02
Yesterday I was on DIA, and this 36 years old women sent me few messages. I politely said, I am not looking for someone this older (even though I am 58 years old).

So to my surprise she tried to introduce me her 18 years old daughter, me and her daughter Skyped for Good 1 hour, and I might have her come to Makati. Has anyone experienced this before?


One of the more frustrating things about trying to use the potential power of online dating to narrow it down to what you want. Nothing entered by the lovely ladies in the height, weight or location fields has any meaning and should generally be regarded as pure fiction. Often this is not intentional; I have personally never encountered women deliberately lying about being tall, but I have no problem believing it is a thing. Vastly common though, is a total genuine ignorance of what their basic physical specifications are. In all but the most rare cases they are just guessing. Typical exceptions include professional models and highly educated (lol) women who can use a ruler and scale. I would argue that that is a better sort criteria for whether they are in Manila or not, than is their claim that they are in Manila..

Sammon
12-26-17, 01:33
Yesterday I was on DIA, and this 36 years old women sent me few messages. I politely said, I am not looking for someone this older (even though I am 58 years old).

So to my surprise she tried to introduce me her 18 years old daughter, me and her daughter Skyped for Good 1 hour, and I might have her come to Makati. Has anyone experienced this before?Be careful with this. The girl may not be 18. If you like better to meet them outside and discuss everything.

WestCoast1
12-26-17, 02:10
Be careful with this. The girl may not be 18. If you like better to meet them outside and discuss everything.Good advice. Insist the youngster bring a valid ID (Voter's ID, Social Security, Postal ID). Period. If she or the mother says she doesn't have one, tell them to get one before meeting, or fish elsewhere.

PedroMorales
12-26-17, 12:53
Yesterday I was on DIA, and this 36 years old women sent me few messages. I politely said, I am not looking for someone this older (even though I am 58 years old).

So to my surprise she tried to introduce me her 18 years old daughter, me and her daughter Skyped for Good 1 hour, and I might have her come to Makati. Has anyone experienced this before?36-18=18. Very even that. So she pimps her own daughter at the drop of a hat,. In a country where women are a dime a dozen. In England, there is a big sport trapping chappies looking for [CodeWord903] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903) meat, posting catching them on FB and youtube and getting the cops to arrest them. There are hundreds of videos uploaded. One guy was caught by two different firms. It is quite incredible how people walk themselves into that or Nigerian scammers or whatever.

In your suggestion, I would make all sorts of lurid suggestions like 3 some and so on but I would have zero intention of meeting her of giving her or her mates a bead on me.

Wicked Roger
12-26-17, 22:19
Yesterday I was on DIA, and this 36 years old women sent me few messages. I politely said, I am not looking for someone this older (even though I am 58 years old).

So to my surprise she tried to introduce me her 18 years old daughter, me and her daughter Skyped for Good 1 hour, and I might have her come to Makati. Has anyone experienced this before?As long as she is 18+ all is OK and that is not surprising to me. Has happened to me a few times and I have had some lovely mother daughter threesomes as a result. Well that is my kind of entertainment LOL and I am always a gentleman so I never refuse a mothers request (as long as the daughter is cute and the mother not a fugly).

BrainDrain
12-27-17, 01:46
Good advice. Insist the youngster bring a valid ID (Voter's ID, Social Security, Postal ID). Period. If she or the mother says she doesn't have one, tell them to get one before meeting, or fish elsewhere.Elsewhere in the Cebu forum I took a girl from Alaya Mall and she did look young.

I decided to take her to a resto for a feed and an interview. In the end she had her 21 years of stories which was enough to convince me she was 21 not the 16 years she looked. Back at hotel I also checked her ID which matched her other stories.

In reflection I realised that that ID meant nothing. It could have been fake. Additionally I had no proof that I had actually seen her ID. If it had been a setup then the ID would never have been seen again. I would have needed to photograph the ID.

It really is more fun in the Philippines.

BD.

Goferring
12-27-17, 08:40
I'm currently in Subic having a lot of good fortune with PinaLove and FilippinoCupid.

I questioned a PL girl about how she uses the dating software, her impressions of the guys she comes across and what she found as a turn off / attractive when replying to messages.

For reference, she is 23, never married, no kids, nice profile pics without being a stunner, not on any "most popular" lists.

Her comments:

Receives 20 to 30 messages from new guys per day.

Currently corresponding with about 100 guys on a daily to monthly frequency.

I was the second guy she actually met (and presumably slept with) from PL this month. A third made plans to meet her while he was in Subic but stood her up and was a no show. (Her words, not mine.).

She refuses to respond to Indians and Middle Easterners due to their reputation for misrepresentations and violence / disrespect respectively.

She drops guys that will only voice chat as these are typically one of the above pretending to be from Europe or USA. She has had several voice chats with supposedly Caucasian guys with strong accents or wierd background sounds. These were all dropped immediately.

She is a member of several WA / FB groups of girls who compare notes on guys in the Apps and idiots are regularly blackballed by these groups.

She rarely initiates contact but replies to guys messages.

She is likely to respond to smartly / professionally dressed profile pics.

Guys having multiple pics is a positive.

She is unlikely to respond to overtly crude introductory messages.

She has no age preference.

She is open to hookups, incountry BF or LTR / marriage. She instantly drops one pretending to be another.

Short introductory messages indicate someone just looking for fun. She is happy to reply as everyone is aware of intentions.

Long introductory messages can be either someone looking for a LTR but not coming to PI for a long time or someone pretending to be sincere but will quickly request camsex or nude pics.

Being in country or even better in town virtually guarantees a response and contact details.

Her ultimate aim is to marry a Caucasian and relocate overseas. She finds it impossible to keep a foreign BF honest in PI due to the ready availability of temptation.

Girls keep chats going for months / years as it has no cost but has a slim possibility that the guy may come and marry them.

Girls may request some funds from long distance relationships. This is seen as an indication that the guy is serious and not just stringing her along.

Girls may operate a cash for service based model, charging for camsex or nudes. This is seen as purely commercial rather than an extension of dating.

The lifecycle of a contact is very predictable. One of:

1/ meet, exchange contacts possibly including 3rd party WA / FB etc, "call me when you arrive next week" within a few messages and all the same day.

2/ meet, straight to Viber / FB etc, plesentries for a few days, meaningless promises to meet when the foreigner arrives in six months. Chat continues just in case money or visit may follow.

3/ meet, straight to Viber / FB etc, being nice for 2 days, "show me your pussy" on cam or nude photos.

Kabul Guy
12-27-17, 09:37
I'm currently in Subic having a lot of good fortune with PinaLove and FilippinoCupid.....


She is a member of several WA / FB groups of girls who compare notes on guys in the Apps and idiots are regularly blackballed by these groups.

.....I'd be very interested in getting access to those FB pages if possible. It would be interesting to see if I am mentioned there.

Wicked Roger
12-27-17, 11:22
I'm currently in Subic having a lot of good fortune with PinaLove and FilippinoCupid.

Her ultimate aim is to marry a Caucasian and relocate overseas. She finds it impossible to keep a foreign BF honest in PI due to the ready availability of temptation.

G.Interesting FR G. But the bit about being honest in PI is new to me LOL. We are not tempted they tempt us as we are old boring men with no clue what is being done to us LOL.

Is why many pinays want to be overseas so the hubby can't be tempted. I know a few living in the Visayas and are regularly tempted or distracted by cuties. But of course they never indulge as good married men LOL.

Goferring
12-27-17, 14:45
Interesting FR G. But the bit about being honest in PI is new to me LOL. We are not tempted they tempt us as we are old boring men with no clue what is being done to us LOL.

Is why many pinays want to be overseas so the hubby can't be tempted. I know a few living in the Visayas and are regularly tempted or distracted by cuties. But of course they never indulge as good married men LOL.Roger,

All her words rather than mine. So take it all with some scepticism.

I'd expect the tables to turn 180 degrees once she got to suburbia and word got out what her particular skill set is. Hubby may be under control but there would be no way of keeping her honest. LOL.

Keep an eye out for my final FR once I finish in Subic. She features prominently and accepts training well. Let me know if you get to Subic and would like to continue her educational experience. LOL.

Ccu2401
12-27-17, 21:29
I've had this desire for quite sometime. To setup a group fun - 4 guys and 4 girls. Find 4 cute girls that love and do about anything. Then have a week of fun, clubbing, beach, pool and of course a lot of sex.

Well I've got the girls lined up. And I know the location. The date is somewhat flexible. April or May.

Now I need a couple of guys that want to participate. I'm going to be very selective. Because I've set this up with the girls that we are all old friends. With an age range of 38-42 - just need to appear to be that old. I'm older than 42 but I look younger.

About the girls (they will all be on birth control. Still working on a way to confirm this! Hahaha).

1. 2 sisters from CDO - 4'8 that love to fuck, suck and swallow, 3 somes (ages 26 and 20 years old).

2. 4'11 girl from manila. Loves big dicks, swallows, likes 3 somes and toys (24 years old).

3. 5'3 girl from Makati loves sex. Has a fantasy for first 3 some (23 years old).

4. I have some backup girls in case some drop out. But I want at least 4 girls there.

Guys:

Any of the gents that get selected will have to help defray some of the costs. But I'm trying to keep the expenses manageable.

I'll go over the responsibilities for the guys individually with each guy that wants to participate.

I have already setup a skype site for the ladies and the men that get selected. And I will conduct on camera interviews.

If you respond. All my contacts with you will be private and confidential.

Ok let the fun begin!

There will be no drugs! No videos or pictures of others unless they consent. This is not a porn Movie!

Member #1088
12-27-17, 21:40
As long as she is 18+ all is OK and that is not surprising to me. Has happened to me a few times and I have had some lovely mother daughter threesomes as a result. Well that is my kind of entertainment LOL and I am always a gentleman so I never refuse a mothers request (as long as the daughter is cute and the mother not a fugly).Agreed, just be careful about the age. I never have 3 some mom / daughter, but I did have a niece being offered by her auntie when I told her I was looking for younger.

Very nice cam action, couldn't follow up in person due to schedule conflicts this year.

Member #1088
12-27-17, 21:50
I'd be very interested in getting access to those FB pages if possible. It would be interesting to see if I am mentioned there.Same here, can you publish those fb pages, one of the girls who broke with me, because I didn't send her enough told me she will make sure I don't have other pinay GF in the future.

I wonder who started the group?

Mr Enternational
12-27-17, 22:18
I'd be very interested in getting access to those FB pages if possible. It would be interesting to see if I am mentioned there.I am sure they are private/secret groups. No administrator is going let someone unknown into it. Or at least that is how the ones that I am a part of work.

Soapy Smith
12-28-17, 00:42
36-18=18. Very even that. So she pimps her own daughter at the drop of a hat,. Two generations giving birth 18 years apart are not at all uncommon in the Phils. When a woman gives birth at age 18, or younger, it sends a message to her daughters about what is acceptable. The children of poor families have a lot of spare time, parents often away from home trying to earn money, and no money to spend on entertainment that costs money. Sex, especially when no adults are around to supervise, is free entertainment (but only in the short term), feels good for a few seconds, and makes young women feel appreciated from the short-term attention they get from male partners. Teenage pregnancies in Philippine slums are very, very common.

But another likely scenario here is that the younger woman is not her daughter. A 36-year old woman who sells herself for sex would be at least equally as willing to get a commission for pimping another younger woman. If she says the "daughter" is 18, it is just as likely that the younger woman is more than 18, but that this woman knows that "18" is a very tempting prompt for us older lechers. Women in this mindset quickly pick up on signs that young women give off and rumors about which ones are sexually active, and they have time on their hands to recruit a stable of pimpable neighbors. Internet access and a cellphone are all the basic technology that is needed. Sometimes the cellphone is enough, as for example, in the case of mamasans who camped out in the past on the second floor of Harrison Plaza in Manila.

Mr Enternational
12-28-17, 01:32
But another likely scenario here is that the younger woman is not her daughter.Exactly. Let's not lose sight of how loosely these terms are used in SE Asia. In PI if you are relatively the same age then you are known as kuya (brother). The flower girls in AC are always running up calling guys brother when they are trying to sell to them. If you are an older gentleman then you are known as tatay (father). That is not to say you are the persons actual blood relative.

Goferring
12-28-17, 07:54
Same here, can you publish those fb pages, one of the girls who broke with me, because I didn't send her enough told me she will make sure I don't have other pinay GF in the future.

I wonder who started the group?Guys,

No go. She's not giving me names or access to the groups, only saying that there are multiple Groups across the various apps.

Sounds like access is fairly heavily restricted.

The best I can suggest to anyone with concerns that they may be blacklisted would be to befriend one of the PL, FC etc heavy users and ask her to find out.

PedroMorales
12-28-17, 13:58
Guys,The best I can suggest to anyone with concerns that they may be blacklisted would be to befriend one of the PL, FC etc heavy users and ask her to find out.1. Any such groups would use a lot of tagalog and skank slang. I couldn't see them having a dedicated and active group like this. Word of mouth would be the way to go. Once, in an internet cafe in Pattaya (where I picked up one of the staff), I listened to two of them fill in their profiles. Say student as profession said one hooker to the other. In a casino of working girls,. There is no need to go further than that to get the appropriate advice. Many of them would be chatting away in cafes all day long and getting advice there. That said, the pointers were good as a general overview of hooker strategy.

2. I am chatting with a dominatrix or at least she dresses and acts as one. I figure she could be a mama san or some such but she gives very little away. I have arranged to meet her in an open venue but I am unsure about being chained down or whatever so her pals can rob / blackmail me. She is different from the others I chat with who pretend to be up for anything. This one dictates the pace and is hard to read.

Assuming she is a skank / mamasan, she could be playing the long game, aiming for quality over quantity. She is ever only online from about 2 am to 4.30 am Manila time.

Goferring
12-29-17, 02:47
Guys, I have a 2 SIM phone containing my regular home SIM and the local Philippine one I have been using whilst travelling. Viber / WA contacts that I have been giving out and talking on are connected to the Philippine number.

I want to return home, keeping the best Viber numbers in my contacts but removing any chance of unscheduled incoming Viber calls while I am back home. I also want to be able to recontact my best numbers when I return to philippines in a few months.

If I discard the Philippine SIM, will I achieve my goals? How will I reactivate my account when I return and purchase a new SIM with a different number? My understanding is that prepaid SIMS expire after a coupe of months of inactivity.

Many thanks.

Dg8787
12-29-17, 03:16
Guys, I have a 2 SIM phone containing my regular home SIM and the local Philippine one I have been using whilst travelling. Viber / WA contacts that I have been giving out and talking on are connected to the Philippine number.

I want to return home, keeping the best Viber numbers in my contacts but removing any chance of unscheduled incoming Viber calls while I am back home. I also want to be able to recontact my best numbers when I return to philippines in a few months.

If I discard the Philippine SIM, will I achieve my goals? How will I reactivate my account when I return and purchase a new SIM with a different number? My understanding is that prepaid SIMS expire after a coupe of months of inactivity.

Many thanks.Discarding the Ph sim will not deactivate your Viber account. The account is already set up and is using WiFi or data. Even if you use a new SIM card the existing Viber account will be working and showing your old cell number. Your old cell number is your Viber account number even if you are not using the sim.

Depending on your cell phone you may be able to turn off your Viber. Viber is actually an app on most cp and may be turned off on most cp.

I am not sure how you can maintain your contacts if you insert a new sim especially if you allow Viber to connect to your contacts.

I personally have a separate cell phone that I use for Philippines. I have not seen any deactivation of my Phil sim number after 3 months. You might do an online load send to your number every few months to make sure it stays active. It costs me $1. 30 to send a minimum load of 50.

Btw, the only way to use a new sim number for Viber is to delete the Viber app and then download the app again, then let it access your contacts.

Red Kilt
12-29-17, 03:23
If I discard the Philippine SIM, will I achieve my goals? How will I reactivate my account when I return and purchase a new SIM with a different number? My understanding is that prepaid SIMS expire after a coupe of months of inactivity.No need to discard your SIM.

The Phils providers have now changed the SIM lifetime to 12 months so your SIM should still work if it's within a 12-month window. Viber is an app so it will not "expire". Just take out your Phils SIM so it will not ring unexpectedly, and then reactivate it when you return next trip.

This is in line with most other international providers. My Aussie Vodafone number stays live for 12 months so I just reload it every time I return to Australia for a holiday which is at least once each year.

The load expires but the SIM and number will not.

Goferring
12-29-17, 03:56
No need to discard your SIM.

The Phils providers have now changed the SIM lifetime to 12 months so your SIM should still work if it's within a 12-month window. Viber is an app so it will not "expire". Just take out your Phils SIM so it will not ring unexpectedly, and then reactivate it when you return next trip.


Discarding the Ph sim will not deactivate your Viber account. The account is already set up and is using WiFi or data. Even if you use a new SIM card the existing Viber account will be working and showing your old cell number. Your old cell number is your Viber account number even if you are not using the sim.Guys, thanks for the quick response.

However, I'm still a little confused. If I remove and store the Philippine SIM will a call still go through to the phone? I'm a little hazy on if my Viber account is linked to the app on the phone regardless of the installed SIM or if it needs the SIM to recognise which phone and account it is being called.

Yes, a second phone would have been a better option but once everything started working so well it was too late to turn back. Next time.

Dg8787
12-29-17, 04:30
Guys, thanks for the quick response.

However, I'm still a little confused. If I remove and store the Philippine SIM will a call still go through to the phone? I'm a little hazy on if my Viber account is linked to the app on the phone regardless of the installed SIM or if it needs the SIM to recognise which phone and account it is being called.

Yes, a second phone would have been a better option but once everything started working so well it was too late to turn back. Next time.I am saying with or without your linked SIM card Viber calls and texts will come thru on wifi. It does not need the linked SIM card to hook up. I don't know if it will come thru on your other sim card's data or not. Best if you can to turn off the Viber app.

When you first hooked up to Viber, Viber uses your cell number as the account name and then texts your cell number with a verification code to activate your account. Then it keeps the same number as the account name. Viber use WiFi or data for the texting or calls, not the cell service.

Goferring
12-29-17, 05:06
I am saying with or without your linked SIM card Viber calls and texts will come thru on wifi. It does not need the linked SIM card to hook up. I don't know if it will come thru on your other sim card's data or not. Best if you can to turn off the Viber app.

When you first hooked up to Viber, Viber uses your cell number as the account name and then texts your cell number with a verification code to activate your account. Then it keeps the same number as the account name. Viber use WiFi or data for the texting or calls, not the cell service.Thanks. Not good news but thanks none the less.

I'll store the numbers elsewhere and temporarily uninstall the app.

If the phone ever rang at the wrong time, some of the profile pics could not be explained as the "dive shop cashier".

Next time it will be a stand alone phone, sim and email address.

Goferring
12-29-17, 05:11
Another trick for beginners like myself making use of Dating Apps and an argument for a totally seperate cell phone for travel.

If you search PLove, Cupid etc for special friends in a iPad or phone with your main Facebook account installed, it will recognise these people and present them as Friend Recommendations. I'm not sure but I assume it also does this on the other side and presents you to the girls, giving them access to your details, family info etc.

Definitely not good.

Dg8787
12-29-17, 09:24
Thanks. Not good news but thanks none the less.

I'll store the numbers elsewhere and temporarily uninstall the app.

If the phone ever rang at the wrong time, some of the profile pics could not be explained as the "dive shop cashier".

Next time it will be a stand alone phone, sim and email address.I don't use my regular cell phone in PH because I don't want to risk losing it or getting it stolen. It has all my info and contacts that are irreplaceable. I use an older iphone for PH with normal and PH contacts in it. When I am getting too many texts from old flames then I will change my number with a new SIM card. At that time I will delete the Viber app and then download it again with the new number. For my PH Viber I will use a Nickname.

Once I am back home I will keep the cell phone turned off unless I need to contact someone. A few days prior to landing in PH I will load my cell from an online service and I will have cell service upon landing.

Member #4558
12-30-17, 05:16
I keep it so separate so I don't even use the same devices when I use my fake FBs. That being said you can through security settings hide friends list and info to not show at all, to only your friends can see it. If you let the public see it, well, then you could have a problem.

Mango King
01-04-18, 09:59
I've seen only sporadic mention of SeekingArrangement (SA) on these forums vs PL / DIA / FC so I thought I would do a community service and give SA a try. The biggest thing you notice is SA has a much bigger fee of $80/ mo vs $20-$30 for PL / DIA / FC. You need premium on SA if you want to send messages. You can register and see the catalog for free.

A few weeks before my arrival I got a free account on SA and looked to see if the catalog was to my liking and it most definitely was. A week prior to arrival I forked over my $80 and started messaging.

The girls on SA seemed to range from similar 4-8's you find on PL to some real quality 9-10's "model" types. I chatted with 4-5 model types and they wanted $200-$300 for a date with sex in addition to a nice dinner, drinks, etc. Some wanted $200 + shopping. About half the girls where looking for monthly allowance though I never negotiated any amounts as I'm not looking for that.

Surprisingly there were a few girls just looking for hookups and not gifts. There were a few smart and beautiful girls looking for serious LTR which definitely caught me off guard. They are using SA as a dating site. These are girls that I never see on FC or PL. I met one beautiful woman (30 yo) who was head of sales for a filipino company and a part time model. Never married, no kids. We just had coffee but will keep in touch for next time.

I focused mainly on "mid-market" girls. These are girls who typically asked directly or indirectly for 5000 for a date with sex. On PL I typically gift 3 k for LT so the SA girls are generally more. Many where similar quality to PL, but I found a few gems. My fav gem was age 24, very slim, firm boobs, long elegant neck, and very beautiful. A true 9. She told me up front she wanted "friends with benefits" and a good non-emotional connection. Would not name a price, but was happy with 5000 dropped descretely into your bag when she left. Repeated several times. Will see her next time!

Final night I had scheduled dinner with a beautiful 21 yo with a slightly curvy figure (I like slim and she was outside of this norm but her smile was killer). She wanted to meet first to see if we clicked before committing to an arrangement though asked for 5000 for the whole night but only if we clicked at dinner. We met at 7 pm for dinner and she quickly tells me she only wanted to meet me and nothing else tonight. I was surprised but just went with it. We clicked right away. She kept saying she wasn't going to sleep with me but just wanted to meet me. Moved to a bar for drinks nearby and finally back to my condo. Even in the condo she kept saying she didn't want to sleep with me, but it was obvious her body was saying YES. Spent most of the night having some of the best sex I've ever had. Morning time comes and I wasn't sure if she wanted / expected a gift. This is the ultimate test of whether the night was business or a transaction. Well, she refused to accept any gift though relented on chocolates of course.

I did like that the profiles and the girls are more clear on SA than PL / FC on what they want. Gifts or hookup. I also found lots of smart girls. Aka Girls with professional jobs. That's such a nice change from PL where they are very hard to find.

To summerize I found SA to have higher quality (looks and / or smarts) girls at higher prices vs PL. You get what you pay for usually and SA is the place to go (at least for me) to find the "more". I still plan to use PL, but SA makes for some very interesting new sources.

BobLou
01-04-18, 10:39
Seeking Love in Manila. SeekingArrangement vs PinaLove.

Please do not pay more than 4000 for LT.

D Cups
01-04-18, 14:57
I appreciate you "taking one for the team", Mango King, and will probably try SA later this year as I get closer to my next trip. Does SA list the girls' weight / measurements? Cheers.


I've seen only sporadic mention of SeekingArrangement (SA) on these forums vs PL / DIA / FC so I thought I would do a community service and give SA a try. The biggest thing you notice is SA has a much bigger fee of $80/ mo vs $20-$30 for PL / DIA / FC. You need premium on SA if you want to send messages. You can register and see the catalog for free..

Wicked Roger
01-04-18, 23:45
I appreciate you "taking one for the team", Mango King, and will probably try SA later this year as I get closer to my next trip. Does SA list the girls' weight / measurements? Cheers.There is a good thread on the UAE board about SA and the prices etc. For many the prices are too much or the girl's expectations are sky high but YMMV and as MK said some are better quality but may take more effort. Some have used SA and now don't as they have the contacts but each to his own. If you are a guy who likes his 1000 pesos lady or who like to boast about saving 50 pesos on a taxi / trike then SA is definitely not for you. Some guys in the UAE spend ridiculous amounts of cash (IMHO) on the girl.

Mango King
01-05-18, 03:30
I appreciate you "taking one for the team", Mango King, and will probably try SA later this year as I get closer to my next trip. Does SA list the girls' weight / measurements? Cheers.SA profiles include Height and Body Type where the later is Slim, Average, Curvy, etc. No weight. So far the Body Type generally is accurate though some girls list Curvy but really are slimmer than what I call that. Some say Curvy when they are definitely "of large size". YMMV.

Mr Enternational
01-05-18, 04:18
Some guys in the UAE spend ridiculous amounts of cash (IMHO) on the girl.It appears they are doing the same in PI. After reading MK's report yesterday, I decided to make a profile so I could browse the pictures. Definintely a cut above the other sites. And many girls have posted their pictures in fabulous hotel rooms and with their spoils from the shopping trips that I assume the guys have taken them on.

80 fucking dollars for 1 month? They need a New Years special or something.

Wicked Roger
01-05-18, 04:40
It appears they are doing the same in PI. After reading MK's report yesterday, I decided to make a profile so I could browse the pictures. Definintely a cut above the other sites. And many girls have posted their pictures in fabulous hotel rooms and with their spoils from the shopping trips that I assume the guys have taken them on.

80 fucking dollars for 1 month? They need a New Years special or something.I think the sums spent are lower than the UAE but the general pricing in PI is lower so yes they are spending way more than many would and certainly the large number of cheap charlies could never / would never get a look in with SA girls. Some SA girls aka sugar babes have very high expectations. One of my friends was quoted around US $1500 a month for an allowance on top of which was shopping trips. Another with loads of cash did organise a boat and champagne dinner to impress the girl and thus get her panties off. It worked but we worked out he had spent well in excess of US $5000 ++ but YMMV as we say.

I know some FHM and PI Playboy cuties / model and they can ask for PHP 15000 a pop easily as can get from rich pinoys and politicians (RK made some reference to this in an earlier post). But am lucky as I knew them before they really got into FHM / Playboy so I can get 'mates rates' or just dinner and hear their stories LOL.

Chocha Monger
01-05-18, 07:20
SA is definitely better for the hookers as they can charge 15,000 pesos, get dinner and drinks for another 5,000 pesos at TGIF or similar, and taxi money roundtrip. That is in addition to the 4,000 pesos monthly membership fee.

Hence, all in, the monger is looking at paying about 26,000 pesos for a fuck without being able to examine the girl for stretch marks and saggy tits as possible in a bikini bar for much cheaper. In the bikini bar, mongers get to poke and prod the meat, look in the mouth for missing teeth, sniff for dog breath, gauge willingness to fuck, ask direct questions about fuck like finger in her asshole during doggy-style, etc. The girl knows her job is to fuck and expectations are clear before leaving the bar. All this for much less than 26,000 pesos.

I just do not see value in SA for mongers flying in from Europe or North America to fuck in the Philippines for $520 USD per fuck. Especially taking into account the expense and aggravation of a long flight and the risk of the girl being a lame fuck or having a stretch-marked body, see-section scar, droopy tits, or dog breath.

A monger with $520 USD to pay for a fuck from SA would be better off using that money to fuck college girls in Europe or North America and forego the long flight. It appears that the Filipinas just looked at whatever the American girls were charging for a fuck and decided that would be the appropriate price to charge knuckleheads in the Philippines. LOL!

As for shopping, I can think of better things to do for 10,000 pesos than carrying around shopping bags for a paid tart, as she does her damn best to charge jewelry, luxury handbags and Jimmy Choo shoes on my credit card. There is no need to pay for that kind of annoyance. Just get a real girlfriend. At least you will get unlimited fucks without time limits that come from the SA hooker girlfriend who needs to get to her next trick on schedule.

SA just seems like an expensive way to share an overpriced Flip hooker with hundreds of other mongers, instead of going to AC and sharing her with a trike driver for 3,000 pesos.

In an interview on November 29th, Senator Grassley said:

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Kabul Guy
01-06-18, 00:35
I used SA a lot back home. I found out that the expectation asked for was usually open to discussion. Lots of girls there asked for the moon and the stars but accepted an offer of considerably less.

It was a good way for an old fart like me to get girls 30 to 40 years younger. And yes I had 18 year olds in Canada who actually wanted to be with an older guy. Found a lot of the same issues as any other site, some fakes and scammers everywhere so do your due diligence.

I reactivated my membership, updated my profile and yes the girls appear to be a lot higher quality than PL, Tinder et al, I found over a thousand girls who had been on line in the last 2 weeks meaning that there was lots to pick from. (non-smoking and within 400 kms of Manila).

While home, with a membership I did browse the Manila ladies and actually chatted with a couple from here. They had wanted substantial amounts, When asked they were asking in p not $ so they thought that 10,000 a month was 10 k p not $US10,000.

Ignore their stated expectations, offer what you want to provide and let them accept or reject. If they reject then say good bye and if they accept then the fun is on. (Good advice for any girl anywhere.) Better yet have them make their offer first, often they will ask less than you were prepared to provide.

As always ignore their stated body size and stats and look at the pictures. Average to them can mean average for a western woman, average for a pina or they have no idea what to put down so picked one at random. While looking at the pictures also look at the background, you can often learn a lot about her from where the picture was taken. Use tineye or other image search to get some assurance that the pictures are real.

Also you should be aware that when your membership expires you cannot read ANY past messages sent to you. If you want to keep any message history download or make a copy before your membership runs out.

PedroMorales
01-13-18, 11:56
I love that line the scammers put in. Reminds me of the kindly fox asking the chickens to invite him in. I am amazed at SA but I guess the main benefit of such sites is sociological study. I am chatting with a few obvious working girls on PL now and some of them work very hard.

I have jacked off into Live Jasmine performers previously and they tell me fascinating stories. Many of the WG no longer stomp the streets as they make more money on LJ, which is the best of those sites for them. The software tells them such things as your tipping history so they know if you are worth engaging with or not.

Those I fed with my leche tell me they have bought all kinds of goods, enhanced boobs included, form their work which can net them over $2000 US a month if they are any good. Two of those I fucked lived at home with their beloved families and contributes nothing, not even food money. For the curious, I met them on PL and similar sites and have never paid for Live Jasmine or similar. I don; t get why folk are into some tart performing online but other mileages obviously differ.

Goferring
01-28-18, 11:06
I've got some messages on FilCu that I want to keep so that I don't get members mixed up next time I visit. However, the site shows that they delete messages after 2 months.

Does anyone know how to export messages out of FC or stop the deletion process? There has to be a better way than repeated copy / paste??

When FC do delete old messages do they delete the whole conversation or just the old chats?

Many thanks.

BrainDrain
01-28-18, 23:25
I've got some messages on FilCu that I want to keep so that I don't get members mixed up next time I visit. However, the site shows that they delete messages after 2 months.

Does anyone know how to export messages out of FC or stop the deletion process? There has to be a better way than repeated copy / paste??
.Just cut / paste the key pieces of info, name, handle, cp#, viber etc Keep in yor own documents folder.

BD.

Mango King
01-30-18, 20:45
Early this month I reported on my experience using SeekingArrangement (SA) in Manila. After leaving Manila I spent 4 days in Bohol with one of my girls then Cebu for about 12 days. I used SA to fill my dance card in Cebu and the results where pretty damn good.

Meet a 28 yo slim and beautiful girl who is a professional chef. Beautiful face, slim + full figure. Solid 8 body and 8 face. Never married, no kids. Chatted online a bit and she tells me she has done arrangements 2-3 times. She didn't want to negotiate price, but left it up to me to figure out. We meet at Blue Elephant rooftop bar and really hit it off. Great chemistry. Back to my airbnb condo and we start making out. Move to bedroom and before I can get her on the bed she drops to her knees and gives me an amazing BJ. Hit the bed and we go at it for hours. She is super horny. Stays the night. Slip her some fancy choc and 3000. Repeated with her 3 other nights including a Sat-Sun overnight to Crimson resort. She never mentions the money and I just slip her 3000 each time when she lives. Also gave her a nice bottle of wine I brought from CA on the last day.

Meet a 22 yo super slim lingerie model. She sends me her selfie pics and also her lingerie pics. Wow! I'm normally skeptical about such great pics but I have a good vibe and decide to roll the dice with her. She turns out to be a super super hottie. Probably top 5 hottest girls I've had. A solid 9/9. Pre-negotiate 3000 over chat. She comes over direct to condo (doesn't want to meet for dinner). She is exactly like her pictures! Within 5 minutes we are pulling our clothes off. Super horny and incredible in bed. After we both cum and relax for 5 minutes she starts getting dressed and wants to leave. WTF? I try to talk her out of it as I could go a few more rounds with her hotness, but she calmly declines. I gave her the 3 k as agreed but no extra for taxi.

Also met 2 different call center girls from Tinder and those where not quite as pretty but super horny and were happy with dinner and taxi money.

Last night in Cebu spent with 2 girl threesome recommended by WR (thank you! Had a really great time with both girls. Great way to end a long trip!

All in all there was only 1 girl on SA who asked for more than 3000 in Cebu. In Manila all the super hotties where at 5 k - 20 k.

Jbj64
01-31-18, 00:32
What is PL, DIA and other sites. I have used SA for Medellin and found one really good connection.

Looking at making the long haul to PI and want to do some more research.

Jbj64
01-31-18, 01:52
I found the post with the websites. I read the friendly forum RTFF.

Crazzed
01-31-18, 05:24
Early this month I reported on my experience using SeekingArrangement (SA) in Manila. After leaving Manila I spent 4 days in Bohol with one of my girls then Cebu for about 12 days. I used SA to fill my dance card in Cebu and the results where pretty damn good.

Meet a 28 yo slim and beautiful girl who is a professional chef. Beautiful face, slim + full figure. Solid 8 body and 8 face. Never married, no kids. Chatted online a bit and she tells me she has done arrangements 2-3 times. She didn't want to negotiate price, but left it up to me to figure out. We meet at Blue Elephant rooftop bar and really hit it off. Great chemistry. Back to my airbnb condo and we start making out. Move to bedroom and before I can get her on the bed she drops to her knees and gives me an amazing BJ. Hit the bed and we go at it for hours. She is super horny. Stays the night. Slip her some fancy choc and 3000. Repeated with her 3 other nights including a Sat-Sun overnight to Crimson resort. She never mentions the money and I just slip her 3000 each time when she lives. Also gave her a nice bottle of wine I brought from CA on the last day..Good report! Good nice to hear some new ways to meet girls.

Chocha Monger
01-31-18, 23:49
Early this month I reported on my experience using SeekingArrangement (SA) in Manila. After leaving Manila I spent 4 days in Bohol with one of my girls then Cebu for about 12 days. I used SA to fill my dance card in Cebu and the results where pretty damn good.

Meet a 28 yo slim and beautiful girl who is a professional chef. Beautiful face, slim + full figure. Solid 8 body and 8 face. Never married, no kids. Chatted online a bit and she tells me she has done arrangements 2-3 times. She didn't want to negotiate price, but left it up to me to figure out. We meet at Blue Elephant rooftop bar and really hit it off. Great chemistry. Back to my airbnb condo and we start making out. Move to bedroom and before I can get her on the bed she drops to her knees and gives me an amazing BJ. Hit the bed and we go at it for hours. She is super horny. Stays the night. Slip her some fancy choc and 3000. Repeated with her 3 other nights including a Sat-Sun overnight to Crimson resort. She never mentions the money and I just slip her 3000 each time when she lives. Also gave her a nice bottle of wine I brought from CA on the last day..At 20,000 PHP or $400 USD for a fuck in Manila, the monger must be fucking well-known celebrity actresses from the popular telenovelas. Otherwise, he is the victim of an unbelievable fleecing! Even English landlords charging tenants for rent get a better deal.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/thousands-offered-sex-for-rent-in-uk-survey-finds/news-story/13dfb2fbfeb39bcf2d4a154ced306f5f

Kabul Guy
02-01-18, 00:05
I hit the SA jackpot. She is 21, cute as a button with the tight spinner body I lust after. She loves to fuck and suck. Made a live in arrangement with her for 10 k a month, she was actually reluctant to take that but I'the rather she had her own pocket money and not be always hitting me up for load, and sundry items. She is educated and looking for work so not a gold digger or scammer. (Yes I have checked out her background as much as I can and believe what she has been telling me, it is fits together and she would have to be a world class actress to end up being a scammer after our time together so far.).

They are out there. Just have to keep hunting.

Dg8787
02-01-18, 02:50
I hit the SA jackpot. She is 21, cute as a button with the tight spinner body I lust after. She loves to fuck and suck. Made a live in arrangement with her for 10 k a month, she was actually reluctant to take that but I'the rather she had her own pocket money and not be always hitting me up for load, and sundry items. She is educated and looking for work so not a gold digger or scammer. (Yes I have checked out her background as much as I can and believe what she has been telling me, it is fits together and she would have to be a world class actress to end up being a scammer after our time together so far.).

They are out there. Just have to keep hunting.KG, congrats on your new arrangement. It is none of my business or anyone else's what you pay or provide for your arrangement. Of course I would want her to be treated decent.

Sounds like you checked her out but even if she doesn't work out you have your loss prevention well under control.

Mr Enternational
02-01-18, 06:10
I hit the SA jackpot. She is 21, cute as a button with the tight spinner body I lust after. She loves to fuck and suck. Made a live in arrangement with her for 10 k a month, Why not just get a normal girlfriend that you don't have to pay rather than paying some chick to live with you? Seems weird. Usually people pay for food and shelter, but in this case someone is getting paid to have a roof over their head and food to eat. What are the stipulations of this agreement? Does she have to clean the house, cook, and do your laundry?

Soapy Smith
02-01-18, 18:21
Why not just get a normal girlfriend that you don't have to pay rather than paying some chick to live with you? Seems weird. Usually people pay for food and shelter, but in this case someone is getting paid to have a roof over their head and food to eat. What are the stipulations of this agreement? Does she have to clean the house, cook, and do your laundry?It depends how often KG visits. KG is Canadian, but the equivalent of $200 US per month is not a lot of money, even in the Philippine economy. I guarantee nobody on this forum could live for that amount of money much of anywhere in the Philippines, absent a bamboo and nipa hut and a productive grove of fruit trees nearby.

Chocha Monger
02-02-18, 09:37
Why not just get a normal girlfriend that you don't have to pay rather than paying some chick to live with you? Seems weird. Usually people pay for food and shelter, but in this case someone is getting paid to have a roof over their head and food to eat. What are the stipulations of this agreement? Does she have to clean the house, cook, and do your laundry?Great points. Things can get weird. After all, he is paying a sex worker to live with him as though she is his girlfriend. There is huge potential for blurred lines and lots of drama. She is living at work providing around the clock GFE as a live-in fuck doll for her john. At some point, she is going to want to go fuck and suck the real Flip boyfriend. The monger needs to realize that his live-in sex provider is going to have her own sex life outside of servicing him.

She may bring the Flip boyfriend over to fuck her and sleep in the monger's bed when he is away because many Filipinas are unaccustomed to sleeping alone in a bed, much less an entire condo or house. They quickly succumb to loneliness and horniness. Their preferred means of alleviating boredom is a hard fuck from the fit young trike driver boyfriend or some random dating-site monger with a largish cock and a blister pack of Kamagra Gold 100's.

Then there is the issue of "tampo" and jealousy. The monger will need to accept it as part of the live-in GFE package. Even if the agreement stipulates that the monger will fuck other girls, the live-in sex worker may chafe at not having a monopoly on his business. A disgruntled Pinay live-in slapper with full access to his residence can make life very exciting for a monger.

The girl will need more money as soon as her family and friends hear about her arrangement and experience misfortunes that require her financial assistance. Pinays are notoriously terrible at managing money and 10,000 pesos will evaporate within a week in Manila; they think in terms of their wants first and their needs last. The neighbors will question the girl during the monger's absence and tell her to demand more money from the rich foreigner as they will consider her his mistress. Unless the monger is always present to rebuff these wannabe handlers, they will quickly poison the arrangement by pressuring the girl to make unreasonable demands with claims that some other girl gets 100,000 pesos monthly or more from her foreigner.

What started out as a bargain deal for live-in P4P could quickly mushroom into an expensive arrangement where the girl's sole interest is money. This can easily end up costing much more than a real girlfriend who may keep growing greed and bad influences at bay due to genuine affection and concern for the monger. Live-in P4P is mixing business with pleasure, something that rarely ends well for mongers.

Wicked Roger
02-04-18, 06:50
A favourite of mine uses PL a lot and is quite popular. Recently she logged in and found herself being told as she is popular she should upgrade (IE pay cash) to use PL.

Not being a user of PL I cannot help her but can anyone here advise.

I thought PL was free to girls and the monger paid (don't we always?) but seem she is being asked to subscribe now as well and cannot as no credit card and cash. So if anyone here can tell why this is happening (apart from the message she got that's said 'you are very popular') she would be happy and grateful.

Chocha Monger
02-04-18, 21:18
A favourite of mine uses PL a lot and is quite popular. Recently she logged in and found herself being told as she is popular she should upgrade (IE pay cash) to use PL.

Not being a user of PL I cannot help her but can anyone here advise.

I thought PL was free to girls and the monger paid (don't we always?) but seem she is being asked to subscribe now as well and cannot as no credit card and cash. So if anyone here can tell why this is happening (apart from the message she got that's said 'you are very popular') she would be happy and grateful.WR, Pina Love is free to men, women and LBs. All free members get to send one message every 10 minutes regardless of gender. However, the number of members is relatively small compared to similar sites popular with mongers and Pinays hunting foreigners.

I doubt that the site is penalizing your favorite girl for her popularity. More likely, Pina Love is prompting the popular girls to upgrade to paid memberships that do not have the 10-minute rule because the girls can then message several mongers within a 10-minute period instead of only one monger within the same time. Theoretically, if the popular girls message more mongers, more of these fellas may decide to upgrade to unrestricted paid memberships to keep the conversation going, and in so doing, increase the revenue for the site. Why target the popular girls? Well, popular girls are more likely to have well-heeled sponsors and lovers who can provide the means to secure a paid membership.

We have no way of knowing what the site's operators glean from the data they harvest and analyze. However, it is possible that they discovered that some popular girls are earning a living from patrons of the site and are betting on their willingness to pay to maintain their cash flow.

Mango King
02-04-18, 22:05
A favourite of mine uses PL a lot and is quite popular. Recently she logged in and found herself being told as she is popular she should upgrade (IE pay cash) to use PL.

Not being a user of PL I cannot help her but can anyone here advise.

I thought PL was free to girls and the monger paid (don't we always?) but seem she is being asked to subscribe now as well and cannot as no credit card and cash. So if anyone here can tell why this is happening (apart from the message she got that's said 'you are very popular') she would be happy and grateful.It's standard procedure for PL. When a girl gets popular enough ("lots" of messages) then they hit her with this. No way around it for the girl really.

BrainDrain
02-05-18, 00:01
Why not just get a normal girlfriend that you don't have to pay rather than paying some chick to live with you? Seems weird. Usually people pay for food and shelter, but in this case someone is getting paid to have a roof over their head and food to eat. What are the stipulations of this agreement? Does she have to clean the house, cook, and do your laundry?Everyone finds a suitable arrangement. I know that as a 50 yo I am going to have to pay to have a 20 yo staying in the house. The benefit of paying is that she will leave when the money stops. I pay for cleaner, cook & laundry. GF is for conversation, looking good at parties, running errands, doing her study and safe reliable high-performance bedroom performances.

Kabul Guy
02-05-18, 02:29
It depends how often KG visits. KG is Canadian, but the equivalent of $200 US per month is not a lot of money, even in the Philippine economy. I guarantee nobody on this forum could live for that amount of money much of anywhere in the Philippines, absent a bamboo and nipa hut and a productive grove of fruit trees nearby.I live here. I have as SRRV.

The 10 k per month is her pocket money. If I don't give her that she would need to ask for load, for money for personal items, for all and sundry items. The allowance is simply to make it easier for day to day living and pocket money for her. Like I said she did not want it in the first pace. Even with that indications are that I will save a lot of money. She has been a great help in some local shopping that I could not do and I have not had any additional sexual related expenses. My grocery expenses are less than when I was eating alone most of the time, now I am feeding two. In the last my mongering budget was 40 k so there is 30 k in that alone plus the living savings she has helped me to realize.

I do not believe that she is a sex worker. She is an educated girl and is looking for full time work in her area of expertise. I have seen her document package with CV, transcripts, etc and I do know something about her area and have asked some probing questions, along the line of I have always wondered about this. And gotten the correct response.

She is a regular girl who is tired of having a pino BF who treated her like shit, hit her, was drunk all the time and cheated on her and tried to sabotage her career.

I am not some FNG who is shacking up with the first bar girl who agrees to stay overnight. I have been here looking on the dating sites chatted with a few hundred, met and bedded over 50 others before her. I am tired of the game, getting lousy fucks who ask for more money, never show up on time, live with their nose in FaceBook, cannot hold an intelligent conservation etc. Perhaps in a few months I'll want to get back to it but not right now. I want a regular 3 times a day, lounging around the condo naked with her hot body and having someone to talk to and explore places with.

I realize that the possibility still exists that she is working a scam but the more time I spend with her the less likely it seams. I will however always be aware that it is a possibility that she is the consummate long scam artist and has been working me all along. I am also aware that there are some nice regular local girls that actually want an older foreign BF. While the material rewards are part of the decision I will point out that they are also part of the decision (and perhaps a bigger part pf the decision) for a western girl the same general age as the guy back home. Pick a random girl on any site and the odds are most likely 90/10 or more that she is a scammer sex worker. I think my odds are now about 80/20 or better that she is a regular girl.

If she ever does turn out to be a scammer then I am already far ahead in the game if I dump her and move on which I will at the first sign of any scam.

Wicked Roger
02-05-18, 05:54
It's standard procedure for PL. When a girl gets popular enough ("lots" of messages) then they hit her with this. No way around it for the girl really.Thanks for the responses, seems a bugger for the girl (and she likes anal also LOL). She tried to open a new account but must of used the same email. She needs access to the messages etc so will advise her she is screwed. Thanks again.

Goferring
02-06-18, 06:01
Thanks for the responses, seems a bugger for the girl (and she likes anal also LOL). She tried to open a new account but must of used the same email. She needs access to the messages etc so will advise her she is screwed. Thanks again.Roger,

Numerous girls have duplicate accounts so it can't be that hard to organise. Yes multiple email and verification accounts are required.

I remember reading in one of the Terms of Service that the limit is 1000 messages per day (don't quote me as I can't remember if it was PL or FC). If she is that busy, is $100 for an annual subscription to an unlimited account such a big ask? If it is, give me her number and I'll happily work out a repayment plan with her. LOL.

Red Kilt
02-06-18, 09:20
If she is that busy, is $100 for an annual subscription to an unlimited account such a big ask? If it is, give me her number and I'll happily work out a repayment plan with her. LOL.It's only $24.99 for a 1-month sub and that's long enough to get unlimited access to the site.

I find that 1 month is too long for me.

After 1 or 2 days I can see all the likely ones and the rest are names that have been there for years (literally). I have been a member for 3 x 1 month subscriptions over the past 3 years.

It must be worthwhile for the rent-seekers because they persist with their sexy-looking profiles month in month out, so they must succeed with the newbies who discover PL but don't realize they are getting professional WGs.

Wicked Roger
02-06-18, 10:37
Roger,

Numerous girls have duplicate accounts so it can't be that hard to organise. Yes multiple email and verification accounts are required.

I remember reading in one of the Terms of Service that the limit is 1000 messages per day (don't quote me as I can't remember if it was PL or FC). If she is that busy, is $100 for an annual subscription to an unlimited account such a big ask? If it is, give me her number and I'll happily work out a repayment plan with her. LOL.True but her issue is that she wants to get all the messages and guys names etc and that is proving hard as PL want her to pay to upgrade to get what she wants.

She tried a duplicate account but was blocked. Well asked her upgrade. I suspect as was same IP or same email but am getting the info in drips at the moment.

Mr Enternational
02-06-18, 14:05
It must be worthwhile for the rent-seekers because they persist with their sexy-looking profiles month in month out, so they must succeed with the newbies who discover PL but don't realize they are getting professional WGs.It is the same here in Pattaya. A lot of girls that guys are meeting on sites are the same ones that have been hoeing in the clubs for years. Had a buddy that made his first trip to AC recently and no matter what insisted to find chicks online before he went. When he showed the pictures at the end of his trip of course everyone was like that is so and so and knew all about the chicks already. They call it pipelining and I think most younger guys are using fb to do it instead of the paid sites.

Goferring
02-06-18, 22:06
True but her issue is that she wants to get all the messages and guys names etc and that is proving hard as PL want her to pay to upgrade to get what she wants.Roger,

Has she received a message specifically saying that she is being blocked because of popularity? Sounds like she is being blocked from reading messages from other unpaid Standard members. That's a limitation on everyone regrdless of popularity. There are a lot of Cheap Charlie's on the site that will not pay for membership but will still try to contact girls with phone numbers in their usernames etc.

Regardless it sounds like the best solution is for her to cough up the $100. It will allow her to view messages from everyone, initiate contact with unpaid members and removed any volume restriction. She would also receive priority placement of her profile and messages

For clarity:

Standard members can send to and receive messages from paid subscribers.

Standard members cannot read messages received from other Satndard Members.

Paid members can send and read messages from anyone.

Goferring
02-06-18, 22:18
True but her issue is that she wants to get all the messages and guys names etc and that is proving hard as PL want her to pay to upgrade to get what she wants.I can remember joking with buddies years ago that we should write a Hookers' Business Plan. It seems now that that would need to include a Social Media Marketting Plan.

Ooooh the struggles of being a hot asian in the modern world. . . LOL.

Wicked Roger
02-07-18, 20:54
Roger,

Has she received a message specifically saying that she is being blocked because of popularity? Sounds like she is being blocked from reading messages from other unpaid Standard members. That's a limitation on everyone regrdless of popularity. There are a lot of Cheap Charlie's on the site that will not pay for membership but will still try to contact girls with phone numbers in their usernames etc.

Regardless it sounds like the best solution is for her to cough up the $100. It will allow her to view messages from everyone, initiate contact with unpaid members and removed any volume restriction. She would also receive priority placement of her profile and messages

For clarity:

Standard members can send to and receive messages from paid subscribers.

Standard members cannot read messages received from other Satndard Members.

Paid members can send and read messages from anyone.When she opens her page (and I have had access you get a message saying please upgrade as you are very popular. The message gives 4 options all using Paypal or a credit card the cheapest being $25 for a month.

She can't understand why she has this as thought was free to all ladies and I am at a loss as don't use PL or other site like this.

All she wants is access to the messages etc as then she can make a new profile with new email etc and start afresh.

Goferring
02-09-18, 01:52
When she opens her page (and I have had access you get a message saying please upgrade as you are very popular. The message gives 4 options all using Paypal or a credit card the cheapest being $25 for a month.

She can't understand why she has this as thought was free to all ladies and I am at a loss as don't use PL or other site like this.

All she wants is access to the messages etc as then she can make a new profile with new email etc and start afresh.She's up for a membership regardless - $25 if she just wants to access her old messages then move on with multiple accounts or if she want long term ability to initiate contact, then the 12 month subscription is better value.

D Cups
02-09-18, 17:30
This is actually a very good business idea, G.


I can remember joking with buddies years ago that we should write a Hookers' Business Plan. It seems now that that would need to include a Social Media Marketting Plan.

Ooooh the struggles of being a hot asian in the modern world. . . LOL.

Goferring
02-09-18, 23:23
This is actually a very good business idea, G.I don't know. . . . Lots of demand but a market crowded with competition. New and better looking models hitting the market all the time. A short operating life also increases capital and sunk costs. . . . LOL.

There are actually a few hooker contracts floating around on the Net. Google "contract marriage" and they will pop up.

FreebieFan
02-19-18, 09:30
Everyone finds a suitable arrangement. I know that as a 50 yo I am going to have to pay to have a 20 yo staying in the house. The benefit of paying is that she will leave when the money stops. I pay for cleaner, cook & laundry. GF is for conversation, looking good at parties, running errands, doing her study and safe reliable high-performance bedroom performances.Not often on the board these days tho my post count will certainly indicate I was previously.

I live in Makati in my own place. Been here nearly two years.I have numerous girls who come and visit (not suprisingly) and enjoy my bed. What has been suprising is that many are happily into the domestics. There's a couple ladies who say " please keep your ironing I will do during my visit. Theres another few who love to cook and granted it all Filipino food its still good ad enjoyable and freshly made and they always make enough so that I have some extra portions in my fridge.

One gla used to work in a laundry so she enjoys cleaning my bed sheets. Which is weird. Another, is fabulous at sweeping mopping floor and dusting. This has been a revelation to me. They all seem to do the dishes in the sink without batting an eye.

I now realise there are two types of lady. The one who walks in, sits down, asks for aircon and wonders why I don't have a TV. I know she will expect me to fuck her lick her whatever and won't do much else. They don't get invited back.

The other types are the ones who do all the domestics, plus will be an equal partner in bed and who will happily give me a long lingering body scrub after. Guys, you don't need a live in maid: You just have to select the right type of girl.

WestCoast1
02-19-18, 23:25
The other types are the ones who do all the domestics, plus will be an equal partner in bed and who will happily give me a long lingering body scrub after. Guys, you don't need a live in maid: You just have to select the right type of girl.That can be difficult to cultivate. Most of us are into throw-away gals (Find / F*ck / Forget). Having said that, I can concur with FF: A small stable of regulars who are happy to return with you time after time can be worth its weight in gold. Lose all the rest.

Mr Enternational
02-20-18, 04:53
I live in Makati in my own place. Been here nearly two years.I have numerous girls who come and visit (not suprisingly) and enjoy my bed. What has been suprising is that many are happily into the domestics.Where have you been man? To me that was always the good thing about Asia. If a chick doesn't at least make my bed up in the morning then she is not invited back. Even when I travel with chicks in Asia and Latin America they always try to make the bed up in the hotel. I'm like that is not your job; they pay someone to do that. A few months ago I had a chick that had just gotten off at the gogo at 3 am. When I went down to let her in I got my laundry out of the dryer. When we got in the room and I spread my laundry out she told me to sit down and relax and she would put my laundry away. My ex girlfriend has a job at a hotel front desk. I always have her come over to do the deep cleaning. I would always try to pay her $15 but she would never want the money. Now she happiy accepts it.

Goferring
02-21-18, 03:30
Does anyone have issues reading their PL messages on Android phones or tablets?

I can scroll through my Outbox but can't open any messages and I can't scroll down through my Inbox but can open the first 10 or so that I can view.

No problems on a PC or iPad.

Thoughts??

Wicked Roger
02-21-18, 05:47
She's up for a membership regardless - $25 if she just wants to access her old messages then move on with multiple accounts or if she want long term ability to initiate contact, then the 12 month subscription is better value.Just a follow up o this G.

She tried to ask a friend to pay the membership but as the friend is male PL rejected the deposit! First time I have heard a CC being refused due to gender! SO tries to use her PayPal but again asks for a CC which she does not have (just a simple bank ATM BPI Express card).

Now trying to find a lady with a CC who can help but most her friends don't carry cards as we would know.

So seems she is screwed but not in the nicer way.

Goferring
02-21-18, 17:41
Does anyone have issues reading their PL messages on Android phones or tablets?

I can scroll through my Outbox but can't open any messages and I can't scroll down through my Inbox but can open the first 10 or so that I can view.

No problems on a PC or iPad.

Thoughts??Just answering my own question. PL has a "View as Desktop" option on the Android screen. This gives full access to all messages.

Mr Enternational
02-21-18, 21:19
Just a follow up o this G.

She tried to ask a friend to pay the membership but as the friend is male PL rejected the deposit! First time I have heard a CC being refused due to gender!And how would they know the gender of the CC holder? Especially since some Filipinas have boy names anyway.

Goferring
02-21-18, 22:03
And how would they know the gender of the CC holder? Especially since some Filipinas have boy names anyway.Cards do have the owners sex recorded. At least mine do.

My wife has a name that no westerner would know if she was male or female and I have phoned our bank to sort out issues in the past. I had all the passwords, account numbers etc but they refused to speak to a male voice.

Goferring
02-21-18, 22:17
Now trying to find a lady with a CC who can help but most her friends don't carry cards as we would know.

So seems she is screwed but not in the nicer way.Roger,

Are prepaid debit cards available in the phils? Here they are plentiful and as easy to get as store gift cards.

If not PM me a legal name and DOB and I'll bring one in her name with me. I'll need it TODAY (Thursday) as I fly out tonight.

SigkaPouro
02-27-18, 11:01
Hello there!

I am currently in Bali and will move on to Japan for cherry blossom season. Keen on learning more about your setup and maybe joining. Message me.

Cheers.



I've had this desire for quite sometime. To setup a group fun - 4 guys and 4 girls. Find 4 cute girls that love and do about anything. Then have a week of fun, clubbing, beach, pool and of course a lot of sex.

Well I've got the girls lined up. And I know the location. The date is somewhat flexible. April or May.

Now I need a couple of guys that want to participate. I'm going to be very selective. Because I've set this up with the girls that we are all old friends. With an age range of 38-42 - just need to appear to be that old. I'm older than 42 but I look younger.

About the girls (they will all be on birth control. Still working on a way to confirm this! Hahaha).

X Man
03-01-18, 19:39
A DIA gal writes, "I may not be Perfect but at least I am not fake".

I thought this was a bit odd since she has bleached blonde hair, colored contact lens, big painted eyebrows, and tattoos.

Tagalog2016
03-02-18, 10:23
My categories are simply arbitrary cutoff's on a continuous scale. An individual girl's placement along this scale and her behaviors can also change, sometimes quickly, depending on circumstances. For example; a regular girl may demonstrate semi-pro behaviors when bills are due.

Good girls.

Hard to find because they will not usually date foreigners because of the stigma associated with that in Phil society. They are typically religious, social conservative types. Most likely sexually inexperienced. To get anywhere you will need to meet the family and pass their approval as well. Looking for a commitment before sex. They would be very insulted of the offer of money for sex, that is most likely the best way to not get laid is to offer money for sex.Just always remember that the percentage of good honest Filipinos is really very very low. So you guys, shouldn't fool yourself regarding good pinays. Just be realistic and cynic and try to analyze your so called relationship soberly. 99 % of pinays are sl#ts and you should always keep that axiom in your mind, no matter what they do and how they behave. Anyway their final target is your money.

First of all if you are old and she is young don't expect any feelings from her side, no matter what she could try to instil in your mind. It's ridiculous to think, that she enjoys your flabby butt, double chin and beer belly. Always ask yourself, are you same attractive for a young girl in your home country? If answer is no, then don't expect to be attractive for Filipino either. The only one reason why she could be with you is your wallet and bank account.

It is mistakenly to think, that those girls who expect money for sex are more [Deleted by Admin], then pinays who seek "relationship". The only difference is that first type of girls is more straightforward, while "good girls" are more sly and expect you to pay double for the time she spends with you as soon as the right time comes.

You mentioned, that good / regular girl "may accept some help with expenses" and that is exactly what I was talking about. She may not ask you directly to pay for sex, but she will say, she doesn't have money to pay bills, or her sister or brother urgently needs 10 k to enroll for overseas job, or maybe she hints, her phone is old and has almost dead battery. She will invent million circumstances, which all are aimed to extract money from you. Don't think, that if she doesn't ask directly, she is honest and good girl. She could milk you in more sophisticated way, when she just shares with you her everyday life events and you as a noble prince offer her help by yourself and she "accepts". LOL Sure thing she accepts. Never ever let pinay to treat you like ATM. That is a basic rule. You should accept unequal match only if you clearly understand the rules of that deal.

If you are not an old fart, but a middle aged or young man, then you should be twice as much cynic with your girlfriend. Remember, that despite you might be good looking guy, pinays are primarily interested in your wealth anyway. Never ever give her any money for her expenses. Not a penny. Just f#ck her for free. If she is willing to play relationship game, then everything should be for free. If she doesn't like that, then move on without regret. In my opinion, every monger in Philippines, who wants to play relationship game, should have at least 5-6 GF at the same time, to be able to switch between them quickly.

Pinays are the biggest liars in the world. You might be mislead by their addiction to the church, but actually there is nothing to do between honesty and religion for them. Mostly for modern pinays the church is not a place of worship, but rather a place to party with her friends. That is a place to play music, to sing, to chit chat and of course to eat. That is what they like the most. To eat for free as much as possible. That is why many young pinays have pot belly, as they never miss a chance to stuff their stomach with free food.

It is not considered a sin for them to lie to foreigners, as well as to cheat them. Do you know, that many pinays who are used to date foreigners are in relationship with pinoys at the same time? It is very common practice in Philippines. So if your GF doesn't date other foreigners, it doesn't mean she is not f#cked by locals at the same time. It's a myth that filipinas are attracted by fair skin, long height and long noses. It is BS. If pinoys were as wealthy as an average monger who comes to Phills, pinays would definitely choose locals over foreigners.

Regarding the reason, why a girl may want to introduce you to her family, please don't be mislead in this regard. It is very common practice in Philippines, but it means nothing for them. Absolutely. So that to understand, why she do that, you should understand how they live. Imagine a family, where parents don't work, 2 sisters don't work, 3 brothers among 4 don't work and just forth brother works in Dubai, or KSA. And he alone provides all his big family and sends them money every single month. It is considered normal for Philippines. Why to work if one of their relative can provide all of them. Most pinoys and pinays are incredible lazy. That is their mentality. Now, when girl introduces her fair skinned ATM to her family, she means nothing with that. Remember that every single member of her family will look at you like at ATM and like at a source of their future income. They may be friendly, but it means nothing, since they don't consider you a man. They don't give a f#ck whether their daughter will be with you, or with other guy. What matters is that you as her BF can help them financially sooner or later. Let's say they may be aware, that your girl has pinoy BF and still it is considered normal for their mentality that she invited you in their house. Possibly she invited other foreigner just 2 weeks ago and still they are ok with that. You are a walking wallet and nothing more than that.

You also mentioned, that "regular girls" often bring friends or relatives along on first date and that is true. But I will explain the reason, why they do so. The reason is damn simple. To eat for free at the expenses of foolish foreigner. Yes, that simple. Sometimes they even bring food remains along with them. So never ever accept any friends, aunts, sisters, cousins etc on the first date. Let your proposed GF to know in advance, that no one else is accepted on your date. Just you and she. Ask her to come to a restaurant beside your place (condo, hotel, house whatever). Decline her appeals about transport expenses, which she wants you to cover. It is her problems how to get on date. Feed her, chit chat for a while and go to your place to f#ck right after lunch / dinner. Never wait until the second or third date. She clearly knows, that a foreigner wants her sweet pussy in the first place. So if she accepts to date with you, she therefore accepts to f#ck with you automatically. Never give her any money after your first sex. If you are a BF and GF everything should be for free. Explain her that simple thing, if she doesn't understand.

Few words regarding provincial girls, who are considered less spoiled than metropolitan girls. I disagree. They might lie and cheat you as well. And by the way you have much more chances to encounter a provincial girl, who has pinoy BF in fact. So always stay alert.

I might sound cynic, but that is how things go in Philippines. I don't mean, you should behave yourself like a trash with a girl. No way. Always be a man, stay gallant, polite and respectful. Just never give money to your pinay GF. It is a privilege for her to eat good food at a restaurant, to sleep at a good air conditioned room, to travel with you perhaps. That is more than enough. You let her feel princess, and she gives you her pussy. That is a deal between you and her, which is called "relationship".

Transporter
03-02-18, 10:46
A DIA gal writes, "I may not be Perfect but at least I am not fake".

I thought this was a bit odd since she has bleached blonde hair, colored contact lens, big painted eyebrows, and tattoos.Got to love copy and paste.

Tagalog2016
03-02-18, 20:00
A DIA gal writes, "I may not be Perfect but at least I am not fake".
I have heard this exact phrase million times from multiple different pinays. It can be decrypted like that: I am a cheater, a liar, I get laid to gain money, I am used to f#ck over guys. It is description of the first part "I am not perfect".

The second part of the phrase "but at least I am not a fake" can be decrypted like that: but still I am who I am, and you should accept me as is.

I want to notice, that in spite of all people are individuals, Filipinas for some reason have the same ideation for many things. It makes them very predictable if you get a clue of their mentality.

IgoforAsian
03-03-18, 01:43
Hey guys,

My latest favourite pinay told me a story recently the blew my mind. I have a fair amount of experience with Filipinas and I thought I had heard it all, but this particular story shocked me. I can't decide if if is true or not and would appreciate your opinion if you think it is or not, or if you have ever heard of such a tale. I can't see a reason for her to make this up.

Just as a background, I have been with many Filipinas, and I usually strive for open casual relationships. I am always straight forward and upfront about it, and am not into playing games and deceiving them. This particular girl whom I met on one of the dating sites seems very sweet, enough so that I might actually consider some sort of long term relationship with her. I like her quite bit, but I am not significantly emotionally invested in her; I think I am far too jaded and experienced for that. We recently had an awesome couple of days together towards the end of my last trip, so much so that I am planning to spend a whole week with her on my next trip. She is in her early 20's, lives with her parents in Metro Manila, no kids, has a basic job. She seems very sweet and kind and does not seem like a scammer-type. Most surprisingly to me, so far she has shown no interest in my money.

Anyway, so we have been chatting online while apart, so I finally got around to asking her about her previous boyfriend. All I knew was that he was Swedish. So when I asked more about it, she tells me this:

Last year, they met online, and he asked her for help. He told her that he had been in Philippines for 2 months, and had lost his money, his passport and his phone. So she helped him out by putting him up in a hotel for a few days. He would come over to her work and court her. Apparently he is 28 years old. Supposedly he is very nice initially, and she falls in love with the guy. So she basically supported him for a while and after a few months they decide to go on vacation somewhere in Batangas. He promises to her that he will reimburse her once he can locate his ATM card or bank account number or whatever.

Once in Batangas, he confesses he is a resident alien in Philippines. He has been in the Philippines for 4 years, no visa, no passport. He has 3 kids from 2 different Filipinos. She keeps paying for their food and stuff until her money runs out, and then he starts abusing her, hitting her etc. She has to pawn her phone just to get a bit of money for food. Apparently they are camping somewhere. He hits her so hard at one point that she is fearful for her life. He won't let her out of her site, but eventually she manages to escape and she walks for 3 hours to get to a bus terminal, and begs a stranger for some money for bus fare to get back to Manila. She does not report this apparent scumbag to the police and does not tell her parents or her friends. Supposedly she has not heard from this guy since.

I am flabbergasted that their could be such scumbag foreigners in the Philippines. Sure, there are some back home, but I would not think many who would have the wherewithal to buy a plane ticket to travel to and get stuck in a faraway country. I have heard of foreign guys becoming homeless in the Philippines, but how many would stoop so low as to financially exploit a Filipino and become abusive like that?

Guys, have any of you heard of such story? How likely do you think this could be true? I don't really see any motive for her to lie, because it would not really affect her relationship with me in either positive or negative way (at least as far as I can see).

I would appreciate your considered opinions.

Goferring
03-03-18, 04:43
So, after being the flag waver for online P2 P I hit a snag when I arrived in Davao. Looking back I think I made two fundamental errors.

Firstly I started searching and chatting far to early, a couple of months (and two countries) before I arrived in town. This lead to litterally hundereds of names and numbers for 4 cities, scattered across several platforms and some messages and names becoming so old that they were auto deleted by the App. I rapidly lost track of the priority numbers, the girls listed as being in manila but were actually in cebu and the all the scam artists to be avoided at all costs.

Secondly, I set my sights too high, where diminishing returns kicked in with the amount of time, effort and general fuck around required to bag one of the many stunners, increasing exponentially with looks and popularity. Common issues with these were no replies for the first few introductory messages, last minute cancelations and no shows and basically being strung along with no end in sight. Many were scammers with almost immediate requests for money for some malady or redirection to cam shows. Its hard to believe but some also let an education timetable or real job limit their access to sampling my fine self. Who would have thought it possible?

Evening 1. I had made contact with one of the girls before arrival and we agreed to meet at a 7/11 near my hotel. She was there with a security blanket friend which was fine. However, I immediately got the sense that something wasnt right. I regard my gaydar to be pretty good but it took the swishing of the hair for alarms to start screaming BAKLA ALLERT. Taxi fare was donated to get off home and I was back to the room alone. By this time it was well past midnight, no one was alive online so I called it quits and went to bed. I'd been shot out of the water the first night in town.

Day 1. Numerous "text me when you arrive" mysteriously vanished and I couldn't raise the dead. One target did take the bait and agree to come over at noon. She arrived and clearly the photos were 20 lb ago but no way was I crashing out two days in a row!! Back to the room and "I'm a good girl", talk, talk, talk, yap, yap, yap. Finally got to stuff something in her mouth to quieten her down. Thankfully, not a bad performer so that settled the nerves a little. She left with 1000 p taxi money.

That evening I made contact with a PL girl and confirmed that she would be dropping around after work. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. No show! Aaargh!! I installed Viber and almost immediately hooked a fish: 21 looked half decent. On a good thing, I asked what the rates were. 4 k for 2 shots in 2 hours. Needed to be gone in time for school to start! What? Is it made of gold? Asleep alone. . . AGAIN.

Day 2 (Today). Woke at 3 am by my phone buzzing a new message. It was a local lass confirming her number. . . "Why do you want me to come over at 3 am?" she asked. She arrived. A real girl. GOAL!! Another "I'm a good girl" saga then gave an expert deep throat BBBJ with rimming. A second session was had at day break and she was 1000 p "late with the rent" on the way out.

Today continues with lunch with an ISG contributor and an afternoon Tinder drop in. We'll see. . . .

To be continued. . . .

Many thanks to those that answered my PMs with info and also those on the ground in town who have helped me. The above is a bit tongue in cheek and your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Red Kilt
03-03-18, 08:02
Just always remember that the percentage of good honest Filipinos is really very very low. So you guys, shouldn't fool yourself regarding good pinays. Just be realistic and cynic and try to analyze your so called relationship soberly. 99 % of pinays are sl#ts and you should always keep that axiom in your mind, no matter what they do and how they behave. Anyway their final target is your money. <SNIP>
Totally disagree with you. To say that 99% of pinays are sl#ts is ridiculous.

You sound like a pinoy who has been burned by a few girls, probably because you didn't treat them the way most real gentlemen do, and so you are bitter and twisted about being screwed by some of them. I have lived and worked here for almost 21 years now and not one of the hundreds of professional women with whom I have worked would fit your ill-informed rant.

Tagalog2016
03-03-18, 08:41
Totally disagree with you. To say that 99% of pinays are sl#ts is ridiculous.

You sound like a pinoy who has been burned by a few girls, probably because you didn't treat them the way most real gentlemen do, and so you are bitter and twisted about being screwed by some of them. I have lived and worked here for almost 21 years now and not one of the hundreds of professional women with whom I have worked would fit your ill-informed rant.Few hundreds professional women which you refer to still could fit in my definition taking into account hundreds of thousands WGs which you didn't mention.

I know some pinays with good office job, whom I can call a professional in their business, which still doesn't bother them to cheat foreigners. After work she could skype with her daddy sponsor, who visits her twice a year and after sweet "buy bye baby, I love you", she login DIA immediately to arrange fucking with a monger, who will come at her city next week. I know pro WG from Cebu, who is office worker in one quite reputable company. She says, she enjoys her lifestyle and nobody at work knows about her second work after hours.

FYI I am not a pinoy, but I have enough experience to conclude about Filipinas. You may have different point of view, and I won't dispute. This is a forum to share different opinions.

Dg8787
03-03-18, 08:55
Totally disagree with you. To say that 99% of pinays are sl#ts is ridiculous.

You sound like a pinoy who has been burned by a few girls, probably because you didn't treat them the way most real gentlemen do, and so you are bitter and twisted about being screwed by some of them. I have lived and worked here for almost 21 years now and not one of the hundreds of professional women with whom I have worked would fit your ill-informed rant.I usually hear crap like 99% are sluts from products of one. If that was so true I would have been dead from screwing decades ago!

Mua Tur
03-03-18, 13:57
Totally disagree with you. To say that 99% of pinays are sl#ts is ridiculous.

------- I have lived and worked here for almost 21 years now and not one of the hundreds of professional women with whom I have worked would fit your ill-informed rant.Ill informed?

The hundreds professional girls you met, did you counted what is the percentage they are with the rest population?

Dg8787
03-03-18, 21:09
Hey guys,

My latest favourite pinay told me a story recently the blew my mind. I have a fair amount of experience with Filipinas and I thought I had heard it all, but this particular story shocked me. I can't decide if if is true or not and would appreciate your opinion if you think it is or not, or if you have ever heard of such a tale. I can't see a reason for her to make this up.

Just as a background, I have been with many Filipinas, and I usually strive for open casual relationships. I am always straight forward and upfront about it, and am not into playing games and deceiving them. This particular girl whom I met on one of the dating sites seems very sweet, enough so that I might actually consider some sort of long term relationship with her. I like her quite bit, but I am not significantly emotionally invested in her; I think I am far too jaded and experienced for that. We recently had an awesome couple of days together towards the end of my last trip, so much so that I am planning to spend a whole week with her on my next trip. She is in her early 20's, lives with her parents in Metro Manila, no kids, has a basic job. She seems very sweet and kind and does not seem like a scammer-type. Most surprisingly to me, so far she has shown no interest in my money.

Anyway, so we have been chatting online while apart, so I finally got around to asking her about her previous boyfriend. All I knew was that he was Swedish. So when I asked more about it, she tells me this:

Last year, they met online, and he asked her for help. He told her that he had been in Philippines for 2 months, and had lost his money, his passport and his phone. So she helped him out by putting him up in a hotel for a few days. He would come over to her work and court her. Apparently he is 28 years old. Supposedly he is very nice initially, and she falls in love with the guy. So she basically supported him for a while and after a few months they decide to go on vacation somewhere in Batangas. He promises to her that he will reimburse her once he can locate his ATM card or bank account number or whatever.

Once in Batangas, he confesses he is a resident alien in Philippines. He has been in the Philippines for 4 years, no visa, no passport. He has 3 kids from 2 different Filipinos. She keeps paying for their food and stuff until her money runs out, and then he starts abusing her, hitting her etc. She has to pawn her phone just to get a bit of money for food. Apparently they are camping somewhere. He hits her so hard at one point that she is fearful for her life. He won't let her out of her site, but eventually she manages to escape and she walks for 3 hours to get to a bus terminal, and begs a stranger for some money for bus fare to get back to Manila. She does not report this apparent scumbag to the police and does not tell her parents or her friends. Supposedly she has not heard from this guy since.

I am flabbergasted that their could be such scumbag foreigners in the Philippines. Sure, there are some back home, but I would not think many who would have the wherewithal to buy a plane ticket to travel to and get stuck in a faraway country. I have heard of foreign guys becoming homeless in the Philippines, but how many would stoop so low as to financially exploit a Filipino and become abusive like that?

Guys, have any of you heard of such story? How likely do you think this could be true? I don't really see any motive for her to lie, because it would not really affect her relationship with me in either positive or negative way (at least as far as I can see).

I would appreciate your considered opinions.I believe her. The details would be pretty hard for her to make it up.

There are many heartless low life pooreingners in Philippines. Look around and you will easily see them in the Philippines.

Dg8787
03-03-18, 21:11
Ill informed?

The hundreds professional girls you met, did you counted what is the percentage they are with the rest population?The only true statement that can be made is: 100% of the mongers are sluts.

Mr Enternational
03-03-18, 21:34
Few hundreds professional women which you refer to still could fit in my definition taking into account hundreds of thousands WGs which you didn't mention.

I know some pinays with good office job, whom I can call a professional in their business, which still doesn't bother them to cheat foreigners.I understand what you mean. Sure it may not be exactly 99% but you are saying it is a much higher number than other countries. Why else would we go there?

Last time I was in AC I spent time with a chick that works at a call center. Everything was great hanging out with this chick. (Only thing, she wouldn't let me go to her house. Talking about she doesn't want her daughter to meet someone she isn't sure wants to be in a real relationship with her.) Made me want to go to AC more often. She didn't want anything...until I left. Then she hit me up for a new phone. I told her no and I haven't heard from her since.

Another married Pinay that I used to bang out here in Thailand a few years ago treated me like a king. Her husband gave her everything she could ever want. Then one day she asked me to buy her a new phone. This chick had a nice SUV, a big ass house with a pool, and a phone that was not old! So I told her no. That was the last time I heard from her as well.

Are guys really buying phones and high ticket items for chicks like it is as simple as a dinner? I got my phone 1 year ago and still have 1 more year to pay it off. How the hell would I look buying a phone for a chick? When I was married, my wife didn't even ask for shit like that. For a chick that I fuck to expect me to spend that kind of money on her is just ridiculous to me.

Cuba Tourist
03-03-18, 22:47
She didn't want anything. Until I left. Then she hit me up for a new phone. I told her no and I haven't heard from her since.

What kind of phones are they asking for? You can get a nice Blu phone for about $100.

Mr Enternational
03-04-18, 00:53
What kind of phones are they asking for? You can get a nice Blu phone for about $100.LOL. Well I never even ask. The chick in AC had a Samsung Galaxy S2. It was truly on its last few calls. The chick in Thailand had a phone that was virtually new, but like I said I am not about to buy shit for a married chick with a rich husband.

To me it shows where they truly are. Somebody tells them no and they disappear. That is not the kind of woman I need in my life anyway.

AggieDad1
03-04-18, 01:20
I understand what you mean. Sure it may not be exactly 99% but you are saying it is a much higher number than other countries. Why else would we go there?

Last time I was in AC I spent time with a chick that works at a call center. Everything was great hanging out with this chick. (Only thing, she wouldn't let me go to her house. Talking about she doesn't want her daughter to meet someone she isn't sure wants to be in a real relationship with her.) Made me want to go to AC more often. She didn't want anything...until I left. Then she hit me up for a new phone. I told her no and I haven't heard from her since.

Another married Pinay that I used to bang out here in Thailand a few years ago treated me like a king. Her husband gave her everything she could ever want. Then one day she asked me to buy her a new phone. This chick had a nice SUV, a big ass house with a pool, and a phone that was not old! So I told her no. That was the last time I heard from her as well.

Are guys really buying phones and high ticket items for chicks like it is as simple as a dinner? I got my phone 1 year ago and still have 1 more year to pay it off. How the hell would I look buying a phone for a chick? When I was married, my wife didn't even ask for shit like that. For a chick that I fuck to expect me to spend that kind of money on her is just ridiculous to me.This is very common in China. Chinese women ask for new phones to see if you are serious about the relationship. I wonder if this started because so many girls work in Hong Kong.

Mua Tur
03-04-18, 03:46
The only true statement that can be made is: 100% of the mongers are sluts.In this point sure I would be agree.

But you have to agree that.

1. Most of the wives in Philippine ready to fuck if there money involved.

2. Most students will gladly accept a sugar daddy sponsor, but what she serves?

3. Any girl is accessible in Philippine just need patience and money.

Money can buy anything in Philippine. It is the Philippine made up in this way, just the history says. And that's why we mongers are there.

Mua Tur
03-04-18, 04:05
I understand what you mean. Sure it may not be exactly 99% but you are saying it is a much higher number than other countries. Why else would we go there?
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Are guys really buying phones and high ticket items for chicks like it is as simple as a dinner? I got my phone 1 year ago and still have 1 more year to pay it off. How the hell would I look buying a phone for a chick? When I was married, my wife didn't even ask for shit like that. For a chick that I fuck to expect me to spend that kind of money on her is just ridiculous to me.It's the perception may varies man to man. Once I buy a copy Samsung (Android) from China for a girl in Bacolod and that is still working nice. It was not much money but it is priceless to see the happy face of the girl and what she serve all time memorable.

Tagalog2016
03-04-18, 12:11
I understand what you mean. Sure it may not be exactly 99% but you are saying it is a much higher number than other countries. Why else would we go there?Phone is just one of million other stuffs she could ask you to buy directly or indirectly. It could be money for medication, her papa urgently needs, bills, loans, anything. As respected Chocha Monger told, you should always say no and stick your dick in her mouth instead so that not to hear all this BS about money.

Unfortunately newbie mongers spoiled a lot of pinays from dating sites, who claim, they want relationship, offering them money after sex and paying their bills. Just never do that. Period.

You can have a great time with your Filipina GF if you clearly understand the rules of the game and if you treat her in the right way, she deserves to be treated. Besides money matter, please make sure your feelings not to prevail over your mind. Pinays can seem very convincing, when it comes to amorous matters, because they often use sweet words, which you could misinterpret as a genuine ones. She doesn't mind to say you mahal kita sobra sobra or lab lab (I love you), while her lips still smell with the sperm of other monger, she swallowed an hour ago, before your date.

It is easy to lose control over your mind eventually, and that's where all troubles begin. Always remember that it is a game. It is not real relationship, so never let yourself to fall in love. Better move on, then let her to milk you, even if it hurts.

For some strange reason, pinays are very demanding towards your honesty and loyalty. It is strange, because they themselves are extremely unreliable, in regards of both cheating and lie. Never excuse yourself in front of her. Take it for granted, as an axiom. Just ignore her BS questions based on jealousy. That is a best tactics. It won't take long for her to change her mind and to realize she was wrong. In this game, called relationship, you must be a host, and she must be submissive. If you let yourself to be soft, sooner or later you will realise, she tries to command you, which is totally unacceptable taking into account she is just a [Deleted by Admin].

Tagalog2016
03-04-18, 16:15
The only true statement that can be made is: 100% of the mongers are sluts.Unfortunately according to my experience, such kind of claims come from expats who have pinay wife or long term pinay GF. They fell in love, which made them think soft and that is why they defend Filipinas, believing their women are not like that. Especially when I describe common situations such as old guy. Young girl, money matter etc, where they recognize themselves which [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off. I sencirely hope that those expats women are among 1% of truly good Filipinas.

Dg8787
03-04-18, 16:36
In this point sure I would be agree.

But you have to agree that.

1. Most of the wives in Philippine ready to fuck if there money involved.

2. Most students will gladly accept a sugar daddy sponsor, but what she serves?

3. Any girl is accessible in Philippine just need patience and money.

Money can buy anything in Philippine. It is the Philippine made up in this way, just the history says. And that's why we mongers are there.I totally disagree with all 3 points. If this was true then you could just walk down the street outside of a "red light" area and openly solicit anyone you like and receive a taker. Give this a try in the general population and report back.

Mongers are there because we have a definite economic advantage creating a demand. Girls need to support family and some need money for medical reasons create a supply. This supply is a small portion of the total population of women.

Dg8787
03-04-18, 16:39
It's the perception may varies man to man. Once I buy a copy Samsung (Android) from China for a girl in Bacolod and that is still working nice. It was not much money but it is priceless to see the happy face of the girl and what she serve all time memorable.Only a few of us understand the true value of this. I keep a stock of cell phones on hand.

Dg8787
03-04-18, 16:48
This is very common in China. Chinese women ask for new phones to see if you are serious about the relationship. I wonder if this started because so many girls work in Hong Kong.They ask to see if you are serious about them in these cases. After that they realize you are of no value to them emotionally or relationship wise. Good bye Charlie. Happens around the world.

Different set of girls who work in Hong Kong from PH. After working HKG they don't need to screw for pesos and they have much higher socioeconomic guys to choose from. They realize they have much higher value.

Tagalog2016
03-04-18, 17:12
I totally disagree with all 3 points. If this was true then you could just walk down the street outside of a "red light" area and openly solicit anyone you like and receive a taker. Give this a try in the general population and report back.

Mongers are there because we have a definite economic advantage creating a demand. Girls need to support family and some need money for medical reasons create a supply. This supply is a small portion of the total population of women.NP! That is what I did tens of times. Waitress, military, shop attendant, receptionist, office worker etc were met right on the spot and fucked afterwards. Some people prefer arrangements in advance, but only when you are in Phills you can realize the real scope of young wet pussies, waiting for your dick to stick inside. They are so many and you can choose whoever you want, providing you have enough time and you are relatively good looking guy and not an old fart.

That is very true, that girls are primarily interested in your wealth, but it depends just on your behavior, whether you let them treat like walking ATM or not. I never pay and they are always happy. The sad truth is that experience is mostly often based on your own mistakes. You never believe stories told by someone, or read on web. You should undergo everything by yourself to become a seasoned monger in Philippines.

Mua Tur
03-04-18, 17:19
I totally disagree with all 3 points. If this was true then you could just walk down the street outside of a "red light" area and openly solicit anyone you like and receive a taker. Give this a try in the general population and report back.

Mongers are there because we have a definite economic advantage creating a demand. Girls need to support family and some need money for medical reasons create a supply. This supply is a small portion of the total population of women.Honestly speaking I am not into red light area hunting nor hoping bars. That's why AC is not my usual play ground. I m based on Dating sites and Inter connections. I don't have Blond hair Nordic looks but my success rates pulls me in Philippine 3 or 4 times in a year. Wherever places I visited in Philippine always I succeeded more secrete plants for next action. I would not say taking them bed happens fast every time but patience and nursing always proved fruitful.

Yes money works in Philippine in high speed rather than any other places even speeder than Thailand. My perception develops because of my failure rate is very few even m not handsome or looker. Financial inability and influence of western culture makes Philippine unique and paradise for mongers.

Kabul Guy
03-05-18, 00:13
Honestly speaking I am not into red light area hunting nor hoping bars. That's why AC is not my usual play ground. I m based on Dating sites and Inter connections. ......We are of the same philosophy. I have been successful just about every day I wanted new pussy and have been here 6 months. I have not once gone to a bar for a pickup or a street p4 p pickup.

I have used the dating sites a lot but also been successful getting phone numbers (which has lead to nice meetings afterwards) form shop girls, waitresses, a woman at the check out line beside me, women sitting at the next table at a Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf, at the pol in my condo and a nice lady from the bank who helped me open my account. Even the lady who helped me get my SRRV expressed an interest but I was not interested in her. The native shyness means you have to be the one doing the approaching the signs she is interested are subtle and difficult to read.

Some have been interested in money, some have just wanted to experience being with a foreigner, some were looking for fun for a few dates and some were looking for a long term relationship.

Non-pro women of all nationalities, in all countries, want a man that they will be safe with, that will protect them and that will provide for them. Being foreigner they know that we have the financial capability to provide for them. They hope that they will be safe with us but many are scared of being with a foreigner but they do feel safe that we will not tell everyone in their barangary and family that they are sluts. (Several women have had past Philippine BF do exactly that to them.).

The mongers here do tend to only see a small subset of pinas. They see the pros and semi pro's who are actively looking for a white wale to be landed and who the whole extended family can feed off of for years to come. They then extrapolate this into being all pinas and their families. They see pro's and semi pro's looking for a quick score today and a different one tomorrow. If you just take a look around you will quickly see many stable long term relationships between a foreigner and a pina.

There are estimates of about 800,000 sex workers in the Philippines http://www.philippinesredcat.com/types-and-costs-of-hookers-in-philippines/ Lets call it 2 million to be on the safe side and include the girls that just want to party and will accept "taxi" money. There are a little over 100 million people here, 50 million women so lets call it 25 million women between the ages of 18 and 40 which would be the target age range. That means that less than 10% of women are sex workers here.

There are women out there just looking for a decent guy who will be their gentle defender. You just cannot look in a bar full of pro's and expect her to be there waiting just for you. You might find her on a dating site but will most likely find her the same way you found your last GF at home, a chance meeting in a coffee shop, through her work, at a mutually interesting activity or being introduced by friends.

Dg8787
03-05-18, 01:42
Honestly speaking I am not into red light area hunting nor hoping bars. That's why AC is not my usual play ground. I m based on Dating sites and Inter connections. I don't have Blond hair Nordic looks but my success rates pulls me in Philippine 3 or 4 times in a year. Wherever places I visited in Philippine always I succeeded more secrete plants for next action. I would not say taking them bed happens fast every time but patience and nursing always proved fruitful.

Yes money works in Philippine in high speed rather than any other places even speeder than Thailand. My perception develops because of my failure rate is very few even m not handsome or looker. Financial inability and influence of western culture makes Philippine unique and paradise for mongers.Of course money works here for you with the girls who don't have any. News flash, it works in other 3rd world countries, with those who don't have any. It doesn't work for you with people that have money.

Chocha Monger
03-05-18, 01:49
Honestly speaking I am not into red light area hunting nor hoping bars. That's why AC is not my usual play ground. I m based on Dating sites and Inter connections. I don't have Blond hair Nordic looks but my success rates pulls me in Philippine 3 or 4 times in a year. Wherever places I visited in Philippine always I succeeded more secrete plants for next action. I would not say taking them bed happens fast every time but patience and nursing always proved fruitful.

Yes money works in Philippine in high speed rather than any other places even speeder than Thailand. My perception develops because of my failure rate is very few even m not handsome or looker. Financial inability and influence of western culture makes Philippine unique and paradise for mongers.All hot Pinay pudding tang is available for purchase. Social class only changes the price points, duration of negotiations, and degree of discretion required to close the deals.

Chocha Monger
03-05-18, 01:56
Phone is just one of million other stuffs she could ask you to buy directly or indirectly. It could be money for medication, her papa urgently needs, bills, loans, anything. As respected Chocha Monger told, you should always say no and stick your dick in her mouth instead so that not to hear all this BS about money.

Unfortunately newbie mongers spoiled a lot of pinays from dating sites, who claim, they want relationship, offering them money after sex and paying their bills. Just never do that. Period...That is a very keen accurate observation. The only mongers denying the extremely promiscuous and adulterous nature of Filipinas are expats or regular visitors married to, or in long-term relationships with, Filipinas. Some may even have half-Filipina daughters and granddaughters. Hence, they feel obligated to defend the honor of all Filipinas. It is only natural for them to defend their kin and interests.

However, any mongers having a soft head that leads them to believe the sweet lies, bedroom performances, and romantic theatrics that Filipinas put on, is headed for a major life crisis. Some mongers fall deeply into love and lose their minds, they start taking their Filipina seriously and believing her declarations of love everlasting. It is easy for a man to lose himself in those seemingly sincere dark opal eyes staring into his soul with childlike innocence. Surely, such a smooth-skinned silky-haired petite harmless Filipina fucklet cannot tell the wickedest lies, and possesses an insatiable lust for man flesh and cold hard cash. After burying their pork swords to the hilt and spilling their seed in her tight hot wet sweet meat, the poor fellas lose their grip on reality. They start thinking this Filipina must be the exception! Nothing will convince them that their docile doe-eyed little fuck monster does not belong in the 1% of truly good Filipinas.

Snapping backing into reality can be fatal for fellas who believe their Filipina is a paragon of virtue like Maria Clara. This crisis may come in many forms. Some fellas discover she was fucking the trike driver, and he is actually her husband from a traditional marriage conducted in her home village and never registered with the central government. They dig a bit further and realize that she was married to the trike driver before she met them and her relationship with them was nothing more than an elaborate lie for the past 5 years or more.

Many foreigners cannot comprehend that depth of deception, they start trying to sort out the reality from the fiction. Were her orgasms real? She did get sopping wet and fuck like a demon with her eyes glazed over. There was no faking that. Yet, the declarations of love and them being the only one for her were obviously lies, though in the moment they seemed genuine. Her tears of love, were they real or fake? Why would someone do such a thing for money? More than a few foreign fellas could not sort out the answers, and lost confidence in their ability to tell what was real and what was illusion. In an effort to escape their nightmares, they hurled themselves from high rooftops, windows and balconies.

It is true that the Filipinas are always insisting on the foreign boyfriend or husband being honest and loyal, while they themselves are untrustworthy cheaters and liars. I went to the field in search of an answer to this paradox. The answer was a simple one. It went like this, "Don't be stupid! Of course we want our foreigners to be honest and loyal; we don't want to share their money to other girls!

Mua Tur
03-05-18, 03:10
Of course money works here for you with the girls who don't have any. News flash, it works in other 3rd world countries, with those who don't have any. It doesn't work for you with people that have money.My pal still I have some difference in opinion with you.

Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar also have poverty. If we consider Asian zone even Vietnam or China have poverty in some extant. But you can check (I already did) in these places money don't work in support of immorality. If does sure high paid and never been worthy. Just because history of those country not same as Philippine. Still they live in their own value and culture.

Philippine was always been conquered by the European voyagers. That's why different parts of Philippine have different mind construction even languages too in some extant. Than Japan made a mess in 2nd world war than the western influences. All blended and made an unique mindset in Philippine. It's not only poverty its what not to be contended what they have. That's why even wives, if go outside for money that's no matter for their hubby / BF.

Mua Tur
03-05-18, 05:01
All hot Pinay pudding tang is available for purchase. Social class only changes the price points, duration of negotiations, and degree of discretion required to close the deals.Correct explanation.

Tagalog2016
03-05-18, 07:51
Non-pro women of all nationalities, in all countries, want a man that they will be safe with, that will protect them and that will provide for them. Several pinays amused me showing their Skype, FB and whatsup conversations. And there was something interesting there. About 30 - 50 % of suitors from dating sites and FB are guys from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc. How it comes, that they usually prefer fat old bald European or US guys over young good looking mongers from lets say Sri Lanka? Maybe they have perverted representation of physical beauty? Then why they don't choose old ugly Pinoys? The answer is simple: physical appearance is much less important for them, then your wealth. They are looking for money in the first place. They know that India or Pakistan are poor countries, so they are not interested in people, who are broke.

It has nothing to do with women from different countries who establish relationship based on traditional values. Of course stability is important for every woman, but the question is how they set their priorities. If money is most important thing for them, then they are WG as well. But if your personality is the key feature of the establishment of relationship, then they are normal women.

The problem with pinays is that they initially set wrong priorities. I mean, those priorities are wrong for us, but not for them. They want to live happy wealthy life and want to help their families. But if relationship is based on financial interest it never leads to happy end. Some people say, there are a lot of examples of happy marriages between pinays and westerners. But who say, they are really happy? If you willingly accept the rules of the game and you are willing to pay for the rest of your relationship lasts, then go on, but be aware, that for her it is just a deal and love will end as soon as you stop to give her, what she truly wants.

Mua Tur
03-06-18, 04:21
Example 1: It's my experience in Tashkant, Uzbekistan. In one night me and a local pal went to pay a visit a night club at Timur park. If m not wrong the name was "Napolian". We were in bar counter having our drinks than I feel a soft spark of touch in my hand. When I turn around my face I saw this cutie little champ smiling to me. So I invited her for drinks according to her choice. Immediately I fall on her and wanted to take her to hotel. We were taken to Mamasan; while we were negotiating a phone call came from my hotel, the hotel owner arranged a party and plenty of girls coming over there so we don't need to bring any girl with us. And we cancelled the deal. But the girl never leaved us; always moving around even for phone call I went out to avoid noise she never stopped. Going to wash room again and again, walking in front of me or coming by me flashing her diamonds to make me changing my mind. While we were sitting on table and sipping our drinks she came to us several times even pulling my hands at least I have to make a dance with her. There were several couples were dancing on dance floor, not my cup of tea, so I refused her every time.

Example 2: My DIA girl is from San Fernando, Pampanga, so we decided to meet at AC. It was two days plan but after one day she got a problem in home and went back. So I get One free day before I met my next contact in Manila. I m not a non sleeper in night so I decided I have to give a try for day time action. I went to my known venue the bar under the Perimeter Hotel, Perimeter Road. It's a day time bar for 10 am to 5 pm. A girl catch my eye dancing on the dance floor tall and well shaped. Once I get eye contact I called her and she joined with me in the bar counter. She asked lady drink and I oblige. Than she asked can she share her drink with her friend; I said NO, instead I offer a full drink for her friend too. While drinking with two girls I lost my chemistry and when they asked m I taking any of them I declined. Both girls ran out from me and Jumped on a new comer for new drinks. I came out from the bar seeing both girls highly busy with just arriving visitor and nothing to me.

All the girls in the examples are sex workers. But the Tashkent girl was very keen to give me a return since she had a drink from me. But the AC girls just forget few min before by whom they had their drinks and the commission too.

The moresal (thanks Westi): Here is the difference of morality of Phil girls with others. They are taker in any way no matter what after that.

Dg8787
03-06-18, 15:58
All hot Pinay pudding tang is available for purchase. Social class only changes the price points, duration of negotiations, and degree of discretion required to close the deals.Unless you have had enough money and to actually buy Pinay pudding tang in all social classes I will consider this conjecture. Please provide details, of course leave out the names to maintain discretion.

Mr Enternational
03-06-18, 16:12
About 30 - 50 % of suitors from dating sites and FB are guys from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc. How it comes, that they usually prefer fat old bald European or US guys over young good looking mongers from lets say Sri Lanka? What do you mean how it comes? It comes from the fat, old, bald European or US guys. Same as I posted a report in the Pattaya thread the other day about some (not one and not a couple) new Indian discos popped up here. I went and visited them and they were full of Thai women. Whereas before everyone would always talk about how Thai women do not like Indian guys. One guy responded to my post saying no they don't as if I had not seen this with my own eyes. And to top it off I went back last night! Met a chick that just left my room. And also to dispel the rumors of how cheap they are there is a thing where they can buy fake money for US $30 to throw all over some belly dancers that they have performing on the dance floor. Kind of like the ping pong ball thing except you are up there dancing around with some Russian chick(s).

Also I posted before about a chick in AC showing me her whatsapp where an Indian brother saying that he opened a bank account and next time he will just bring her the ATM card instead of continuing to send money western union.

Then another guy posted a report yesterday in the AC thread saying that he had spoken to a Korean guy in the club and come to find out girls are treating them the same way others that said Koreans are ruining the place are getting treated. So contrary to popular opinion it ain't all rosy on their side either.

Dg8787
03-06-18, 16:12
My pal still I have some difference in opinion with you.

Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar also have poverty. If we consider Asian zone even Vietnam or China have poverty in some extant. But you can check (I already did) in these places money don't work in support of immorality. If does sure high paid and never been worthy. Just because history of those country not same as Philippine. Still they live in their own value and culture.

Philippine was always been conquered by the European voyagers. That's why different parts of Philippine have different mind construction even languages too in some extant. Than Japan made a mess in 2nd world war than the western influences. All blended and made an unique mindset in Philippine. It's not only poverty its what not to be contended what they have. That's why even wives, if go outside for money that's no matter for their hubby / BF.My friend, a few decades back both Vietnam and China were steep in poverty. Plenty of pussy at cheap prices then. As both countries economy grew and with less poverty came higher prices and less available pussy for sale.

It's about the poverty. Poverty is poor people. Poor people is no money. No money is no food. You have a full belly, try going a long period of time with an empty stomach! You might be selling your wife and daughters to feed the family. Possibly your bakla son's ass too.

Cambodia and Laos are still steep in poverty. Where are some mongers going to now?

In all my travels the only people who spout immorality are the ones with a full belly.

Mr Enternational
03-06-18, 16:33
In all my travels the only people who spout immorality are the ones with a full belly.Now this needs to be the tagline in the Morality of Prostitution thread.

Tagalog2016
03-06-18, 16:36
What do you mean how it comes? For Pinays fair skinned guy is a priori a rich dude. Same applies towards Korean and Japanese mongers. I agree, that there are exceptions when Indians are more wealthy, or at least they spend more at their Filipinas, but that is still uncommon.

So if to ask an average pinay, whom would she choose for "relationship": young good looking Pakistani, or fat old US guy, she would definitely choose a latter.

Mua Tur
03-06-18, 16:42
It's about the poverty. Poverty is poor people. Poor people is no money. No money is no food. You have a full belly, try going a long period of time with an empty stomach! You might be selling your wife and daughters to feed the family. Possibly your bakla son's ass too.If you are experienced like that I m not going to make a debate in this issue.


Cambodia and Laos are still steep in poverty. Where are some mongers going to now?

In all my travels the only people who spout immorality are the ones with a full belly.Yes. Always there immoral peoples in any place regardless full belly or empty.

But the question is what is the percentage of peoples are keeping money on the top than any other things? In my experience Philippine is in the top. Even there are more Poverty effected places in the world but not interested to keep aside their moral value for money.

Tagalog2016
03-07-18, 13:47
When we discuss non pro Filipina girls and how to treat them in the right way, we never mention such important thing as age and appearance of a monger.

Well, first thing first. It's all about money, and there shouldn't be any speculations about that. No matter how young and good looking guy you are, anyway even best girl hopes you will provide her in the long run, marry her, get her to your home country or whatever it could be, related with financial interest she could gain from you in future.

Still pinays are not robots, they are human beings, and such things as a physical and emotional empathy are not alien to them. It does matter, whether to spend a time with a good looking 30-40 yo monger, or with 65 yo fat old grey haired man with double chin and flabby butt, who is older than her grandpa.

The basic rule is, if you don't consider, you can have a success with relatively young woman in your home country, then most probably you look same unattractive for a foreign girl, for Filipina in particular. It's obvious, still some guys forget about that.

That's when all differences start to reveal. Someone says, he was successful and some girls from dating sites didn't mention money, while other reports, he had a hard time even to make an appointment, and those girls, who agree, were reluctant and demanded gifts and money right away.

Didn't you think, such behavior could be related with you as a person in the first place? That is why it is not totally correct to compare your experience with experience of your fellow mongers. Just try to assess yourself evenly before to pose as a playboy. Maybe it's worth to stick to P4 P exclusively, before to enroll to dating site and play "relationship" game.

Despite it was said many times already, I still want to add a word of warning for everybody. Long term relationship with Filipina is a trap both for young and old guys. Young guy can lose his vigilance in time, mixing up empathy, which Filipina can truly feel to him with genuine love. A possibility of material benefit will always prevail over feelings for Filipinas, and that is a reality. It will lead to bad consequences eventually.

For older guys, sweetness and slyness can also be misinterpret as love, or al least as a devotion for his kindness and generosity. Remember, that pinays never feel devotion. No matter how experienced and old a guy is, he can fall in love anyway and lose his head and thus to enable pinay to suck all money out of him.

Also some guys mix up definition of "middle class" in Philippines. They naively think, that if a girl is a call center operator, office worker, or clerk at bank, then she earns enough and thus is not interesting in money. Average salary for call center operator in Manila should be 15 - 20 K peso something which is equal to 280 - 380 USD. Cashier at bank earns around 30 K, which is equal to 570 USD. Sure thing it is not enough and they are always interested in your money.

The bottom line: Relatively short term relationship for free are possible, if you are a good looking young guy, or a good storyteller. If you are not, then don't expect it to differ from classic P4P relationship. Long term relationship is a trap and should be avoid at all costs, no matter who you are if you don't want to become a cash cow eventually.

Goferring
03-07-18, 15:49
Continued from:


So, after being the flag waver for online P2 P I hit a snag when I arrived in Davao. Looking back I think I made two fundamental errors.

SNIP

Today continues with lunch with an ISG contributor and an afternoon Tinder drop in. We'll see. . . .

To be continued. . . So Tinder Girl actually showed up. She probably had he most underweight photos to date but also had really nice tits. So after another "good girl" diatribe she got down to business. Really good BBBJ and tea-bagging. I'm a small guy so she was too big to throw around the room in multiple positions but an active mish finished the day. On the way out she insisted on true taxi money only so was happy with 300 p.

Day3 was a lunch date off FilCupid and you gassed it: a no show! No great loss as I'd given up waiting for promised meeting times and was at a contributor's place anyway. Later in the day I received a profound apology text saying she had fallen asleep after being kept up by her sick kid. I'm guessing that her time online all day with FC was speaking with a doctor? ? ? She promised and pleaded that she would drop around that night. I said "whatever, be here at 6 o'clock".

The contributor texted and asked of I would like to see a local KTV. I'm a KTV virgin so it seemed the ideal educational experience to me. I messaged the returning no show that I was going out for early drinks and I would text her again when we were back. She gave promises that she would be ok with returning after I had finished. ET KTV had big rooms, knock out girls (see the Photo Gallery), and 750 p ladies drinks. Apparently I also over paid for the girl at 3000 p ST but no great surprise as I had "Newbie" stamped all over my forehead. Regardless, I had a great time.

I texted the all nighter to say we had finished and I was on the way home. Her reply: "It's too late, can't get a taxi" at 9:00 pm! Aaaargh!!

I then messaged the 3 am girl. I was way to spent to do anything after mega-tits at the KTV but having someone already there to solve the following morning's wood seemed like a good idea. No answer.

Day4. 3 am girl was still sick in bed so I woke up alone. I had triple booked lunch so I was hopeful that something eventuates from that. 11 am for a nice call center chick just off work, 3 pm a little spinner fall back plan, 3 am girl for the afternoon and night if all turns to shit. Call center girl slept in after a big night on the phones. About 2 pm I got a hit from a cute spinner, "I'm just around the corner, should I come now? That was cutting it fine for the 3 pm but "a bird in the hand" and the pizz poor on time history of others made me say yes. I was starving so lunch was at an eatery nearbye and then up to the room. Suddenly she was not comfortable that I've seen other girls, did not want to get pregnant, yada yada yada. She left with no requests or offers of cash. Technically, I was down 400 p for her meal. While this was going on, I was not checking messages and sure enough the 3 pm spinner had actually arrived. She had left me a string of "where are you" then "fuck you" messages and then she blocked me from her account. Fuck!! She was the hot fish that got away. . .

I was so pissed, I flooded the chat rooms with "do you want to come over here now?" messages and I was bombarded with "Sure, what time?" replies. I parlayed that into one driving in that night for potentially an all nighter, a call center girl at 11 am, a new looker at 1 pm and a croupier at 7 pm.

So the supposed all all nighter turned up and was truly horrific. When it was clear that nothing was going to happen she introduced me to her friend from work, a Muslim Zamboangan girl who was clearly mortified at seeing a white guy. I cut both loose and returned to the room. A quick call to the 3 am girl found her still in bed with the flu.

Day 4 started and the call center girlie showed up. Yeah! And she was HOT. A slim little body struggled to support some 34 DDs. A barely there dress failed at conceiling anything. We had a light breakfast before we headed back to the room. The "good girl" sales pitch was replaced with "Before the call center, I worked at KTVs in Manila and Cebu, a foreigner bar in Korea and as a foreigner "tourguide" and "My American fiance is a dick because he won't let me go out and party with my girlfriends" etc, etc, etc. This girl has been AROUND. After the past few days' dramas, this made me horny as fuck. Some small talk about getting hammered in Angeles quickly led to power DFK. Tits were spilled and they were glorious! "Let's get your dress off" led to. . . "I'm not going to fuck you on the first meeting". . . . Aaaaargh! Are you fucking serious? I leave tomorrow! . . . . And she left with, "But I'll be back tonight". Of course, I thought this was total bullshit, I had just had the ultimate prick tease and there was no way in hell that she intended to come back. I was literally pacing the hotel room with frustration.

3 am girl texted that her cold is better. I was thinking "who the fuck cares?" But I had calmed down enough to reply that maybe she could come around tonight. This was to leave enough room for the other two appointment should the miraculous happen and they actually turn up.

Ms. 1 pm was indeed outside the hotel dead on time and then called me up to announce her arrival. Somehow she had managed to dial the wrong number, got another pina and assumed it was my wife or GF. She sent me a stream of abuse that would make a sailor blush about inviting her out while I was with another girl before I assured her that I was the only one in the room and she had dialled a wrong number. When I was in the taxi I saw that she was another looker and we went off to lunch. By this time all the mental games had fried my head so I was just happy to have a good lunch with a pretty girl. She actually held a pretty good conversation as well so that made it all the better. At the end of the meal she went shopping and I went back and crashed.

When I arrived back I received a call from the croupier saying that her friends wanted to come out as well to our 7 pm date. I wasn't interested in feeding a bunch of free loaders so I said that one girlfriend is ok but if there are more it would be better if she enjoyed the night with them and we could see each other next time.

Needless to say, the call center girlie never showed though I still live in hope. Maybe she just lost her phone. . . LOL. A few texts to 3 am. Girl found that things were in deed looking better. She was feeling much better. She still desperately wanted to see me. She would be around at 9 pm to wish me safe travels. . . And she was a no show.

All up, I certainly enjoyed Davao. Chat rooms work in a different way in the Provinces.

Planning and hitting the rooms early was a complete failure and actually worked against me. Similarly, going for the lookers and expecting immediate results was ludicrous.

What I should have done was waited until I was in town before making contact, allow time for some introductory dates and stay an extra couple of days to allow finding the right girls. There is certainly an abundance of straight acting girls that will jump in bed but need a date or two to convince themselves, their friends and the punters that they are indeed "good girls". I don't think it was a coincidence that my (only. ?) smooth day was the last one before leaving. Now that I have done the ground work, I have a few numbers that I would happily contact again but it took a lot of effort to get those.

Having local knowledge was invaluable. So many thanks to contributors and their friends who assisted in my stay. I would definitely recommend doing a lot of research and getting as much on-the-ground Intel has possible before arrival.

Goferring
03-09-18, 03:47
Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?

It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?

Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.

Chocha Monger
03-09-18, 07:23
Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?

It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?

Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.Not really, unless it is a national board exam. However, tuition must be paid otherwise the school will not allow them to sit mid-term and final exams. The girls in the chatroom during exam week are more likely to be scammers rather than real students. The internet scammers tailor their hard luck stories to coincide with actual happenings such as exam week, natural disasters, and rebel attacks. They know their marks will google their stories and find news reports covering the events, making their alleged personal crisis appear somewhat possible.

Besides, if a girl is busy using her last few pesos to work the chatroom instead of studying for the exams, she has already failed. Save your money for a sure shag, as you will get no return on wiring it to dubious internet students. Many of those students are 40 years old, and have less than three teeth left.

Wicked Roger
03-09-18, 07:24
Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?

It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?

Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.Yes, many have to pay exams on top. I have questioned before that they pay fees so why exams but IMHO many 'colleges' are more money making rather than true education giving (well is HRM and Tourism really a quality degree? So now is exam time over the next few weeks and this will be a worry for many.

Have fun G (I know you are LOL).

Goferring
03-09-18, 10:31
Lots of girls have this in their photos?

Am I correct it's a sign that they will need some paper to pass through their fingers?

Tagalog2016
03-09-18, 11:15
Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side.

Some basic conditions to get laid for free:

1. You should be relatively young and good looking guy. Unfortunately if you are an old fart, you can pose as a playboy only in exchange of money.

2. You should be quite good storyteller. Not that you must lie, but still you should make her feel, you are quite serious about her. It doesn't mean, that you should lie that you will marry her. Not that. Just make an impression, that you are genuinely interested in her as a woman, that you like her. Don't promise anything though. Never ever mention sex during your virtual conversations. Just like it doesn't matter for you at all. For all Filipinas sex is a part of their daily life, so it is took for granted, that if you are BF and GF you will get laid.

3. If you want to have short term relationship for free, you should convince your proposed GF, that you are on a tight budget. Details will follow below, but now I want to stress, that even if you can afford more luxurious mode of traveling, you should better stick to low end hotels, meals, public transport etc. Anyway you seem a rich dude for her, but when you flash your money here and there, it's impossible to explain your pinay, why don't you want to share your wealth with her. Imagine, you stay at $ 100 worth hotel, dine and wine her at high end restaurants etc. Money you spend daily might be monthly budget for her, so sure thing you seem a millionaire and her inborn itch for money will come out sooner, than expected.

4. To get laid for free with no pro girl always requires much more time and efforts, comparing with P4 P. You should invest a lot of time beforehand to choose right candidates, you should instill in their minds, that you are a serious guy, who likes them, not just a monger. Also it may require some more time on the ground to get laid. Ideally you should allow some 3-5 days for each girl. You should be realistic and within 2 weeks you barely can fuck more than 3-4 "good" girls, who pretend they are in a relationship with you. Ideally you should go to extended 2-3 months holiday to be more flexible and to be able to fuck at least 10-15 girls.

Now how to choose a right candidate on a dating site:

1. Unlike most guys on here, who suggest to enroll in dating site just few days before your intended arrival, or even right on the spot, I would suggest the opposite. Enroll in there 2-3 months before your trip. As better you get to know your girls, as less chances things will go wrong. Still I want to note, that despite how well prepared you are in advance, it is inevitable, that some of your candidates are a wrong choice. That's life, and virtual communication will never substitute live communication. Some fishy things about them could come out only after you meet in real life. That is why your goal is to date more candidates, than you intend to meet, to have a back ups if any.

The other reason to enroll so early in advance is to separate girls, who want to be paid immediately after sex. As a rule, they don't want to waste their time chatting someone, who will come in few months, since they need cash right now. And opposite, girls who claim, they want long term relationship, want to get to know their proposed cash cow in advance.

2. Don't choose super star models. According to my experience, all they are fakes, or they are not interested in short term relationship for free.

Don't choose 18-20 yo girls. They are unreliable and are more interesting to chat, but as soon as it comes to real meeting, they can be not ready for that.

Don't choose single moms. As soon as they have children, but don't have a husband, they become a second best for pinoys. They are fucked by locals of course, but few Filipinos are willing to take responsibility for her children and to provide them. That is why typical single mum desperately needs money. She can be a good candidate for non pro P4P, but definitely she doesn't fit for guys, who don't want to spend money for pinays.

Don't choose women over 28-30. If they don't have children by that age, then something is fishy there. They are sophisticated liars and cheaters, and that is where you are likely to discover in a year or more, that in fact she has Filipino husband plus several other fair skinned sponsors, or other unpleasant sh#t.

Your goal is 22-27 yo girls. Choose among them.

3. 100% of girls in Philippines, who have access to internet have skype / whatsup / viber or other apps, which enable video calls. 100 % of Pnays have FB. If a girl claims she doesn't have skype and FB move on immediately. Don't waste your time. Skype her to make sure she is a one she claims to be. It is always a rad flag, when a girl says, she can skype you just certain time, certain days. Try to make video call without notice. If she is outside her work / school, she always should be able to skype you. If not, then something is fishy there, and you should move on without regrets.

4. If you feel she is reluctant talking to you, move on. You are not on a dating site to court or entertain someone. Choose just those girls, who seem genuinely interested in talking to you.

5. If a girl mentions money or gifts, move on immediately. Some pinays are more sly and they never ask directly. Instead they can tell you about their hardships. Some good natured, naive men offer them help by themselves, and that is what they expect you to do. Other common scams include.

- to tell you, their phone is broken, and they can't communicate with you anymore;.

- to tell you, their mama / papa / sister / brother needs immediate emergency medication.

- to tell you, they urgently need to repay their debt. They may also tell, they will repay you soon.

- to tell you, they urgently need to pay bills.

Always move on. If she mentioned money on the initial stage of your acquaintance, she will do that again and again.

6. As soon as you got to know each other a little bit, tell her, that you want to come to Philippines on holiday / by work and you have 3-5 days to meet her. Never tell your real length of the trip. Be straightforward right away and tell, that you have very limited budget, let's say 2000-3000 p per day, including accommodation, meals and everything. You can't afford to give her presents, but still you want to see her and to spend your holiday (3-5 days) with her, since you like her. If she is ok with that, then she might be right candidate to get laid for free. But not necessary (details will follow below).

7. The widest choice of girls is in Manila and Cebu, so if you want to go to some remote parts of the country, it could be a good idea to take a girl from Manila or Cebu with you. Still it depends on your destination. Let's say If you want to go to Mindanao (CDO area for waterfalls, or Davao / Samal, which are relatively safe), then it's better to find a local candidate from Mindanao to travel with you, than to bring pinay from Manila. Tell them your travel plans, and agree with her your dates in advance, so that they take leave for these days. If you are in Manila, sometimes you should try 3-4 candidates on the spot, to make a final decision, whom with to go to a certain place, but anyway all of them should be ready in advance to follow you. Be quite straightforward regarding your budget. Tell them in advance how much are you going to spend while traveling, to reduce the chances they will demand for presents. Always say you are on a tight budget. Don't be afraid to travel as locals do, even if you can afford more. It's adventurous. Mostly Filipinas enjoy traveling itself, so they are not choosy and demanding at all, providing you made it clear from the beginning regarding your budget.

When you are on the ground, you can encounter some first-timer common scams:

1. A girl tells you, that she doesn't have money to come to your meeting place, and asks you to cover her transportation expenses. They can think out ridiculously expensive taxi / bus / jeepney fares, which don't exist, thinking you don't know the real prices for local transport. So it is wise to make it clear on the stage of your virtual communication, regarding this matter. Ask her, where does she live, and where it will be convenient for her to meet up. Let her know, that you are willing to pay for transport when you are together already, but she must come at her own expenses.

2. A girl takes along her aunts / sisters / friends on the first meeting. The reason is to eat for free at the expenses of a foreigner. Again, make it clear in advance, you are not going to feed anyone at your expenses and ask her to show up alone. Anyway for a first appointment it's better to stick to low end eatery to reduce possible damage. There might be other versions of this scam. Let's say you are going to club, and she invites her friends, which supposed to be wined and dined at your expense. If you chose to travel somewhere, a girl might say her cousin / sister wants to join you. Make it clear you want to be together without her relatives and you will never compensate any expenses to them.

3. A girl asks to buy her some presents. If she is not after money (all they are after that though), then the biggest present for her is you. You can take some trifles from your home country as a presents.

If a girl acts like that at the first step, move on immediately (maybe allow yourself to fuck her once. Twice on that day before to move on). She will demand for more in future and it will become annoying.

When you met your girl, and she seems a decent one at first glance, please don't go with her to your hotel right away. Ask her to show you interesting places in her city / area, walk with her, talk to her. You should create a seeming of relationship. As practice shows 80% are ready to get laid on the first date, still some girls require 1-2 days to court them before they are brave enough to suck your cock. You should consider this possible situation in advance.

Another common annoying situation is when they want to introduce you to her family. They mean nothing with that, and some probably just want you to feed her family for free this way.

Anyway, if you play relationship game, you have no valid reasons to avoid meeting her family. So you should go. Prepare to stay for a night at their house, which might be real experience for someone, who is get used to comfort. There might be no water at her place, and you will be put at a room, where 4-6 other family members sleep as well.

Before to go, never buy any food for them. If they invited you, then it's their responsibility to feed you. Actually the only thing they expect from you to buy is some booze. Always buy local cheap booze, which they are used to, such as Tanduay, or if you are not a hard drinker, then Red Horse will do as well.

Usually it is very boring to sit at her house among her relatives, as you don't have any common with them to talk about. Remember, that the meeting with you for her relatives means nothing more, than a possibility to establish a contact with "rich" guy, who can lend them money in future, which they never repay.

When you travel with pinay on a budget, surprisingly you could find out she will try to save your money. She will bargain for you, tell you what is considered expensive, advice which mode of transport to take to save etc. She can behave like a genuine lover and possibly she can feel true affection to you on that stage. Even though you can have a great GFE, please don't lose your head and stay vigilant all the time. For details read below.

It is also possible, that you would regret, you took her to the other part of Philippines, if you suddenly find out, she irritates you with her habits. That is somewhat hit or miss, so you should be prepared for such developments. I advice to bring a girl along, if you feel emotional affection to her, not just physical.

When the time comes to leave her and to switch to other GF, you should make sure, a girl thinks your holiday is finished and you are going back to your home country, or you have a work at other part of Philippines. Actually it is very common in Philippines, when locals go on holiday somewhere just for 3-5 days. The reason is, it's expensive, so they try to cut the expenses as much as possible cutting a number of days to spend on vacation.

It's better to block her phone number for a while after you move on, so that she won't spoil remains of your holiday with annoying messages about love etc. Plus future girl can become jealous, if she will notice someone texts you every now and then.

Someone could think, that if a girl doesn't ask for money, then maybe she is genuine good girl? It is not like that. There is a huge difference between short term and long term relationship. In the long run all they want you to provide them, while they can accept the rules of your game on a short term basis.

When you spend just relatively short time with each girl, it doesn't matter for you, whether she has pinoy BF or husband, or westerners whom she cheats, or meets for fucking in exchange for money. If she doesn't ask money from you, then all other circumstances don't matter. But definitely it does matter a lot, if you have long term relationship and when you fell in love with her.

Some possible developments when you are back home already and unblocked her number:

1. She says, she fell in love and she wants more serious relationship with you. Ignore this BS, as it will never finish with happy end.

2. She says, she enjoyed the time, she spent with you and she would want to repeat it again. If so, then you can maintain a "friendship" with her.

3. She says, she got pregnant and demands money for future baby or for abortion (which is illegal in Philippines). Usually it is a scam, so just ignore this BS. That is an example how a good girl could turn into bad one in time.

4. You become pals and in time you forget about her. But suddenly she appears out of nowhere and asks you USD 500 for her grandma funeral or something like that. Sometimes it happens like that as well. Ignore.

The rhetorical question is what is better: to meet P4P girls for sex, or to play relationship games. Actually both modes have its advantages and disadvantages and there is no clear answer on that. Someone could say, to play in love is more cynical, but I disagree. You give a girl your conditions in advance and it is her deliberate choice, whether to accept it or not. Also it is mistake to think they are good girls, just because they pretend to look so. Anyway everyone decides for himself.

GoodEnough
03-09-18, 16:02
Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?

It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?

Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.Students who are not current with tuition payments, or since this is the end of the academic year, who have not fully paid their fees, are not permitted to sit for their exams. It's the same for private high schools. So, it's not a coincidence.

GE.

Mogwai
03-13-18, 09:18
You really come up with some great stuff. You ought to write a book.That would be great because it would mean he doesn't have time anymore to post on this forum.
We can do without his populistic, negative, exaggerated stories with lots of sweeping generalizations.

Mogwai
03-13-18, 09:34
Lots of girls have this in their photos?

Am I correct it's a sign that they will need some paper to pass through their fingers?Yes, you are correct.

Mogwai
03-13-18, 09:59
Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side.

Some basic conditions to get laid for free:

1. You should be relatively young and good looking guy. Unfortunately if you are an old fart, you can pose as a playboy only in exchange of money.
I'm an old fart and I can assure you my 'friend' that there's no need to be young and good looking to do what you are doing: taking advantage of poor girls who are dreaming of a better life.
Any man, no matter his age or looks, can easily get laid for free in the Phils by pretending he's genuinely interested in a girl. But a REAL man doesn't do that. You are pathetic mate.

Mua Tur
03-13-18, 11:10
Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side.

Some basic conditions to get laid for free:Can you explain what mean by get laid for free? In what extent?

You will not find the girls in any Dating Site came from privileged society. The girls we meet in dating sites are deprived, poor or abounded with or without kids. They are needy and seekers of support from the privileged persons like you.

If you can buy a ticket, pay bills for hotels and food and you arrived in Philippine to bang deprived and needy girls than why you don't want to pay a little that can be a little support to their needs? You made a long Essay how to bang a deprived poor girl. But I can confirm you that the girl arrived in your hotel paying taxi bill in hope that when she get back she will have some more for might be for her hungry kids or for the medicine for her sick parents.

Tagalog2016
03-13-18, 11:25
I'm an old fart and I can assure you my 'friend' that there's no need to be young and good looking to do what you are doing: taking advantage of poor girls who are dreaming of a better life.
Any man, no matter his age or looks, can easily get laid for free in the Phils by pretending he's genuinely interested in a girl. But a REAL man doesn't do that. You are pathetic mate.May I know your definition of a "real" man, please?

There are just 3 options available in Philippines:

1. P4P. You pay prostitutes for sex. No relationship should be involved in here.

2. You fuck so called "good" girls. You let her to take advantage of you, and she gains financial profit from your side.

3. You fuck so called "good" girls. You don't let her to scam you.

No other options exist in Philippines. If you think, that I take advantage of girls, just because I don't let them milk me, then I am speechless! Normal relationship, based on physical or emotional empathy shouldn't involve money. If they genuinely like me, then they should enjoy my presence. If they are sly and endure me just hoping to win a jackpot in future, then that are their problems solely.

As for me, I never meet girls, if I don't like them. I would better jerk off or fuck a prostitute, than to spend a time with a one, whom I am not interested in.

AskeAske
03-13-18, 14:55
As for me, I never meet girls, if I don't like them. I would better jerk off or fuck a prostitute, than to spend a time with a one, whom I am not interested in.


"Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side."

"You should be quite good storyteller. Not that you must lie, but still you should make her feel, you are quite serious about her."

"If you want to have short term relationship for free, you should convince your proposed GF, that you are on a tight budget."

"The rhetorical question is what is better: to meet P4P girls for sex, or to play relationship games. "Tagalog, you are just a fucking lier. I think that it turn you on to take advantage of poor people. You make the world a worse place.

Mogwai
03-13-18, 16:13
If you think, that I take advantage of girls, just because I don't let them milk me, then I am speechless! Normal relationship, based on physical or emotional empathy shouldn't involve money. You take advantage of them not because you don't let them milk you but because you don't give them any money at all. I don't let the girls milk me either but I pay them a fair price for sex.

Normal relationships shouldn't indeed involve money, but a normal relationship is not what you're after. All you want is bang them for free and then move on to the next after a while.

You are very negative about Pinays, saying they are all liars and cheaters, but look at yourself mate. You are even worse.

Tagalog2016
03-13-18, 20:25
You take advantage of them not because you don't let them milk you but because you don't give them any money at all. I don't let the girls milk me either but I pay them a fair price for sex.

Normal relationships shouldn't indeed involve money, but a normal relationship is not what you're after. All you want is bang them for free and then move on to the next after a while.

You are very negative about Pinays, saying they are all liars and cheaters, but look at yourself mate. You are even worse.Come on, you seem to be into P4P for too long to forget, that sex is just a part of daily life for all adults in the world. If both male and female seem attractive one to each other they get laid. No money should be involved whatsoever, if it is not P4P.

When you pay non pro pinay for sex, you teach her that she can use her bilat (pussy) to extract money from foolish foreigners. Filipinas are not get used to that since childhood, because they fuck with pinoys for free, and it is not a big deal for them. If they feel urge, they fuck. Simple as that. So what a hell, you deprive them, teaching that sex is something that fair skinned guys should pay for? That is absolute nonsense!

You can track the analogy if you pay your attention to behavior of poor people in different parts of the world, even within a single country. Let's say Halmahera island in Indonesia, which receives 300 foreign visitors per year. People are happy to drive you by ojek (motorbike) for free wherever you want to, just to shake your hand. A stranger can invite you for a lunch in his house just out of curiosity, because he is not spoiled by tourists, who are used to pay for everything. And let's compare them with people in Wamena in West Papua province in Indonesia, who demand money for everything, including photo. I assume some westerner idiots offered them money once, which made them think, they can gain a profit from tourists. Everywhere is like that. Extremely poor people in the border of Uganda and DRC invite you to share their meals for free, while Himba tribe in Namibia requires you to pay fee to enter their village to take a look at their naked tits. Namibia experiences tourist boom, while not so many people visit some remote parts of Uganda. See the difference? Let's take a pauper fisherman from Dhofar region in Oman, who rejects money for his fish, since you are his guest, and trike driver from New Delhi in India on the other hand, who is desperate to fuck you over, even if you agreed the fare in advance. I can give you examples endlessly.

Now let's switch back to pinays. When you offer them money for something, which is not ought to be paid, you spoil them. I assume, you are an American guy, so I somewhat can understand, why you act with women like that. But I am from outside of US, so just try to extend your mentality to understand, that in some countries sex means not more than just sex and you shouldn't desperately court, chase and pay someone to get laid, given both of you feel mutual physical affection.

I don't fool anyone. I warn them in advance, that I won't give them any money in any mode. If they are willing to accept my conditions, then we meet up. Sex is just something which happens naturally. If some girls are too sly to think, they can screw me in long term perspective, then I don't give a fuck with that. It is their problems, as I never promise anything. I dare to say, that many girls feel genuine affection towards me. Although sooner or later itch for money will always win over other feelings. That is why I never advise long term relationship with Filipinas.

Mogwai
03-14-18, 11:32
Now let's switch back to pinays. When you offer them money for something, which is not ought to be paid, you spoil them. I assume, you are an American guy, so I somewhat can understand, why you act with women like that. But I am from outside of US, so just try to extend your mentality to understand, that in some countries sex means not more than just sex and you shouldn't desperately court, chase and pay someone to get laid, given both of you feel mutual physical affection.

I don't fool anyone. I warn them in advance, that I won't give them any money in any mode. If they are willing to accept my conditions, then we meet up. Sex is just something which happens naturally. If some girls are too sly to think, they can screw me in long term perspective, then I don't give a fuck with that. It is their problems, as I never promise anything. I dare to say, that many girls feel genuine affection towards me. Although sooner or later itch for money will always win over other feelings. That is why I never advise long term relationship with Filipinas.I'm Dutch, not American, and I know that in some countries sex means nothing more than just sex. Even in my own country (sometimes anyway).

There is one important factor that you have left out, and that is the fact that you and these girls are not on an equivalent basis. You are rich (compared to them anyway) and they are generally poor. I'm assuming anyway that most of the time you're not screwing rich Pinays with a good job who are able to support themselves and their families, because most of these girls won't be interested in you and don't want to be seen with a foreigner at all.

So that leaves you with the poor girls and I can assure you that, even though some of them might feel genuine affection towards you, the majority of them is not screwing you because they like you so much but only because they are hoping for a serious relation and a ticket to paradise. And the fact that you warn them in advance that you won't give them any money, will only encourage them to think you are serious and don't consider them as P4 P.

It would be different if you were chasing free pussy in your own country, where the girls are equally wealthy as you and able to support themselves. I suppose anyway you are from such a country.
But the Phils is a different play ground where you and most of the girls are not equal.

Tagalog2016
03-14-18, 12:57
I can assure you that, even though some of them might feel genuine affection towards you, the majority of them is not screwing you because they like you so much but only because they are hoping for a serious relation and a ticket to paradise.I agree with you on this 100%. I am very down to earth guy, and I don't believe in fairy tales.

But let's reveal the meaning of "serious relationship" for pinays. It differs from Dutch definition of this phrase.

For them it means to leech off you. That is a big fortune for all her family as well, since foreigner is supposed to provide all lazybones relatives, who don't want to work either. Definitely it can be called a ticket to Paradise for them. LOL.

Filipinas are consumers by nature. They don't like to give, but they enjoy to receive. It become visible in time, when they are get used to new circumstances and new state of affairs. Sooner or later it become unilateral relationship. I even don't mention, that many of them are prone to cheat which can turn "serious relationship" to hell for a foreigner.

Makeupaname
03-14-18, 16:16
Lots of girls have this in their photos?

Am I correct it's a sign that they will need some paper to pass through their fingers?Its a small symbol heart.

Some sort of Korean influence.

Hutsori
03-14-18, 18:49
Hey guys,
Guys, have any of you heard of such story? How likely do you think this could be true? I don't really see any motive for her to lie, because it would not really affect her relationship with me in either positive or negative way (at least as far as I can see).

I would appreciate your considered opinions.Hooked up with a girl who was ripped off p35,000 by her Aussie BF. Told her he had a fish farm in the provinces. Oh no! An emergency. Pump is broken. Fish will die. Can't access his money. Girl gives him money to repair it and he disappears. On the upside, no beating or camping.

Is it credible? I've met her three times now and she hasn't put any squeeze on me for a financial problem caused by the ex, and if she does that'll be the end of that. She's as credible as any other girl who I found on the dating sites and agreed to come over to my place for the first meeting to have sex and who I now have spent about 12 hours of my life with. Which means, they're all over the place. Some prove themselves to be wonderful and others, but not too many *knock wood*, are scammers. And I haven't even mentioned the average mediocre ones.

Ultimately... who knows? Just establish some rules in mind to have at the ready if the request comes. It'll start with: "Can I ask you a question?" Losing a girl here is really no big deal. Que sera and all that.

Chocha Monger
03-14-18, 23:43
I agree with you on this 100%. I am very down to earth guy, and I don't believe in fairy tales.

But let's reveal the meaning of "serious relationship" for pinays. It differs from Dutch definition of this phrase.

For them it means to leech off you. That is a big fortune for all her family as well, since foreigner is supposed to provide all lazybones relatives, who don't want to work either. Definitely it can be called a ticket to Paradise for them. LOL.

Filipinas are consumers by nature..Tagalog2016 quite true! "Serious relationship" means the foreigner will pay big time supporting the entire extended family until he dies or runs out of money and, his Pinay replaces him with a wealthier man. "Serious relationship" is seriously expensive for the foreigner, as one day she will say, "I have serious problem. Mama need heart surgery to save her life and I need you to pay that!

"Serious relationship" is what you the foreigner must do, as in remaining faithful and supporting her. You must prove that you are serious by purchasing house, land, automobile, and business in her name. Meanwhile, she fucks the "no relationship" fellas for a couple thousand pesos or free in cases where the serious fella provides regular cash and she works for a salary. In the return, the serious fella receives every escalating demands for cash and goods. He will hear about how much more cash and goodies other serious men are providing their Pinay and her family. Many foreigners in "serious relationship" experience stress decide to break up, leave with the cash, and sell the property.

Right around this time the foreigner will catch a serious bullet to the head in an unexplained robbery in a public place, the girlfriend / wife will not suffer any harm. Another common result of a serious relationship is the Pinay forgets to lock the door at night and the robbers get in and bash her foreigner's head in like an egg. Of course, the murderous robbers tie her up and leave her without a scratch on her body and unmolested in any way. She will manage to free herself and call the police after they make their getaway.

The fellas insisting everyone must pay for fuck are just kidding themselves if they think the girls make young handsome foreigners pay for fucks. The girls fuck the young handsome studs free, and they make the others pay because they are old, fat, bald, or crippled. This is not anything different from what college girls do on the "sugar-daddy" websites in the USA. In the same way mongers distinguish between pros and non-pros, the Pinays distinguish between "serious relationship" walking-ATM fellas and fun to fuck young foreign stud.

Anyone who is familiar with Pinays know the rule of the "Four M's" translated loosely as old rich and ready to die.

X Man
03-15-18, 00:25
I might be completely wrong, but I always assumed his exaggeration and satire were meant to be taken with a grain of salt. Am I the only one who thinks it's funny? I like reading the Borowitz report in the New Yorker, as well.

But point taken, newcomers may get some really wrong ideas about the Philippines if they take CM too literally.


That would be great because it would mean he doesn't have time anymore to post on this forum.
We can do without his populistic, negative, exaggerated stories with lots of sweeping generalizations.

Mogwai
03-15-18, 09:10
For them it means to leech off you.
SNIP
Filipinas are consumers by nature. They don't like to give, but they enjoy to receive.
Look who's talking!
You are just trying to justify your own bad behavior by pointing out how bad Pinays are.
And meanwhile you are ignoring the rest of my post where I say that you and these girls are not on an equivalent basis.

Mogwai
03-15-18, 10:24
I might be completely wrong, but I always assumed his exaggeration and satire were meant to be taken with a grain of salt. Am I the only one who thinks it's funny? I like reading the Borowitz report in the New Yorker, as well.
But point taken, newcomers may get some really wrong ideas about the Philippines if they take CM too literally.No, you're not the only one who thinks he's funny. More guys have said that. And quite often guys say how spot on his stories are. And most of the time they are senior members and not newcomers.
To be honest with you: I too think he is funny and spot on sometimes. But only sometimes.

However I think his exaggeration, satire and generalizations are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt, because he's writing about the SAME subjects in the SAME way OVER AND OVER again. It's really annoying. He's repeating himself all the time and he's doing that without any nuances or tongue-in-cheek. So actually I think he's dead serious.
And he is so negative about Pinays and the Phils in general that I really wonder why on earth he is still living there.

Goferring
03-15-18, 10:44
I've included this report in the Chat Rooms forum as it describes how I bounced between the various apps in Cebu and the results I achieved. The vast majority of the time I relied on three platforms:

Tinder: probably a 50/50 split between purely commercial and "good" girls. Some of the working girls were exceptionally good looking but priced themselves accordingly. Lots of Trans but they were upfront and not out to surprise. The girls here have an attention span of 3 minutes. If you don't get their number and a date within that time, they will be gone and never reply to further messages. A big advantage to Tinder was that to a large extent "what you saw was what you got" where as with the other apps expect at least at least a 2/10 drop in hotness due to old photos, creative angles or on point makeup. Tinder also gave me my one and only rejection due to my preference to go bare.

PinaLove: the more likely of the two dating apps to offer girls ready to be available at short notice for a fee. However, depending on the time of day, sometimes it had a very limited number of profiles online.

FilipinoCupic: on average had more "nice" girls. However, still many available at short notice or no-questions-asked. The larger number of active and online profiles also increased the likelyhood of finding a suitable date.

Arriving in town during exam month was hugely beneficial as there were many new and part time profiles and girls with fees to pay.

I've also included a couple of girls that were referred to me by others as they were similar to the Chat Rooms in that they were accepted essentially sight unseen.

Note that in all cases I had abandoned the method of planning I used in Davao and returned to the tried and true, making contact once I was actually in town. I've already detailed that MO in another earlier.

Like my last time in Cebu, all the platforms proved easy to use and productuve. Each delivered opportunities slightly different to the other.

Day 1 in Cebu. Still in Davao, I messaged a contact kindly provided by another Subscriber. I let her know that I was on my way and asked was she ok to meet that night. She replied that all was good and she would be able to head my way at 11 pm and stay the night. The flight was uneventful and I arrived at the Quest Hotel too early to go straight to my room. A lazy lunch and a look around Ayala allowed them time to make up the room and then I moved in. The afternoon was spent just resting. A few Tinder and FilCupid hits suggested dropping around but I wanted to pace myself for that evening. At 10:59 pm I received a message saying that she was on her way and she suggested coming straight to the room. Obviously, I was fine with that. A couple of minutes later she arrived. Holy Shit!! I received some profile pics earlier but they were not fair warning. In the flesh, she was incredible: max 5'0", maybe 75 lb and stacked with DDs. She was standing there in leggings and a sports bra, dripping with sweat, having come straight from 4 hours of dance rehearsals. I was already harder than Chinese Calculus. She requested a shower where I valiantly helped her out of her clothes and tongue bathed every crevice. In bed those tits made great play pads and we had several sessions. All positions were catered for and she had a mouse's ear that tasted heavenly. In the morning we had another playful session and she left with 3 k taxi money and promises that she would return. Her weekend was allready full with Coyote dancing and car show promo work so she had no spare time but anytime after that was fine.

Day2. I had planned to meet a PinaLove recruit at 10:00 and a Tinder match at 1900. The PL girl arrived a couple of hours late looking way more "village girl" than the photo but still well and truly doable. What I thought was an entre BBBJ turned into a deep throat assault and rim job that polished my lower intestines. All holes were open for the remainder of the session and she left with 1500 taxi fare.

Shortly after she left I received a text from another PL lass suggesting that she was within walking distance and could she drop around for school fees. Reluctant to deprive anyone of an education, of course I agreed. She proved to be not too unlike her profile pics and a little spinner. She mentioned that she came down from the north of the island a couple times a month to add to her finances. She proceeded to give me the best BBBJ I'd had in the last 60 minutes so I didn't even worry about transitioning to FS. To my amazement she managed to get blood from a stone and received a CIM. That definitely deserved a round of applause and 1500 taxi fare home as well.

I had reached my daily limit so luckily Ms Tinder called and said she had a headache and I agreed that it would be better if we postponed our rendezvous until the following day.

Day 3 started with a well earned sleep in. Ms. Tinder came for a late lunch at TGI Fridays. At 31, she was a little older than her competition but she was still in good shape and proved to be really good company and an expert at her craft. She had promised during a previous celebate meal that a second date would come with a romp up in the hotel room. Back in the room, she proved to be a tireless performer. Round 1 was another expert deep throat, all positions then CIM. After a short rest it was starting to get dark so the room's small balcony was put to good use with her bent over the railing and wall. Prior to heading up we had agreed that some new clothes would be part of the deal, so I happily handed over 2 k shopping money.

It's a long time since I've been shattered by a provider but Ms Tinder did exactly that to me. There was no way I had anything to give the intended 11 pm appointment so I messaged a cancellation.

Day 4. I woke with a sore back and stomach cramps. Given that I had a repeat provider scheduled that evening who was known for her skills and energy, I thought it best to throttle back a little and have a mornings break. Our last meeting had knocked the planet off it's axis so I wanted to be fresh and prepared.

Somehow I had managed to loose / have stolen my carry bag so I went off in search of a replacement. Luckily, all of the contents had been put in the safe so no losses there. I sent out dummy return invites to all the potential thieves and no one showed any hesitation in returning so stuffed if I know where it went.

While I was doing that, I received couple of chats. The first was from Ms. 31 saying that 2 k was not enough for her new blouse and would I like to add another 3 k?. . . Or 4 k would be better, if I wanted. The second was Day 2's first girl saying that she was happy to come back but she needed a 100% pay rise. Obviously inflation is a * in Cebu.

That evening, the old acquaintance returned. She arrived promptly at 7 pm and unfortunately I had built up the anticipation so high that the real thing did not meet my expectations. It was a good night but no where near our first meeting nor what I was foolishly hoping for. Her BBBJ was still exceptional but to be honest my heart was not in the rest of the sessions. One thing that did make me laugh was when I explained that after so much sex in the last month, I was quite happy to have some relaxed sessions and I was fine if I didn't cum everytime. She gave me that school teacher look that said "We'll have none of that nonsense here" and ensured that the job was finished on each occasion.

Day 6. I was starting to become a bit too stalker-ish with repeated texts to another friend's recommendation. I was trying to juggle a hookup around my travel schedule, dwindling time remaining in town, her period cycle and inability to be seen by workmates with a white guy in tow. Desperation is not a good look so I had to back off there and then and maybe leave it for another trip.

A new Pina Love girl soon agreed to drop around at short notice to occupy some time. While she was heading in I thought I would organise a threesome for that night. Within a couple of minutes I had more choices than expected. Should I go with the 7 from Pina Love, who was a known skilled performer, with a new friend or the Tinder 11 and her friend who told me all the nasty things they would do to me and each other? Heads for the Pina Love, Tales for the Tinder duo. . . Heads! Shit! Best 2 out of three. . . I confirmed with the Tinder girls to be at the hotel at 10 pm and be available for all night as I'm not a fan of ST. The Little Head wins every time!!

The morning Pina Girl arrived close to on time but was 10 lb heavier than her profile pics. It was no big deal so we went straight up to the room and got to work. She started with my first and only lousy BBBJ in Cebu. Did she not get the memo about the new deep throat craze that had swept town? A bit of pussy pounding led to "You can fuck my ass for a tip. I need some money. " Soft touch me agreed in the heat of the moment so she left shortly after with 1500 plus 1000. Yes, I know: I'm an idiot.

After a late lunch, I went looking for some manscaping. I normally have no problem asking some whacked out crack h0 e to do some pretty freaky shit but, call me old fashioned, I felt as uncomfortable as hell asking a doey eyed sweety to wax my balls. It was just another day for them as they had option lists, prices, timetables, you name it. Didn't stop me being weirded out though while making the booking.

Shortly after that, it became evident that, yet again, Little Head had made the wrong choice and was leading me down the wrong path when the Tinder duo started calling with bullshit delay tactics for the threesome and a need for transport money etc. Etc.

That evening it dawned on me that my time was coming to a close so I needed to start to prioritise my capacity and time to known performers that I wanted a repeat session with. Top of the the list by far was Ms Coyote and her tasty snatch but she had gone to ground and was not returning messages. Ms. Real Job was still on the rags. Next up was Ms. Blood from a Stone and her magic ability to finish the job. At this stage of the race that seemed like a very good skill to have. She was booked for 9 pm. Unfortunately that too was put to a stop by Ms. Sweety-pie Ball Waxer who insisted on no showering or "hard rubbing" (yes, those were her actual words, LOL) for 12 hours.

Day7. That morning was spent generally surfing and chatting online and I soon had a FilCupid girl on the way to meet up at Bo' s coffee in Ayala. A quiet personality wrapped in a nice tall body appeared. She was about 5'4" and 95 lb. While she wasn't overly muscular, she had the toned physique of someone who certainly worked out. She later said she was a brown belt in both Karate and Tai Kwan Do which I didn't doubt. Unwrapped, back in the room, her body showed no signs of one kid and she exhibited stamina that well and truly out lasted anyone to date. Any position was available and held with ease and she would climb on top and grind away for endless sessions. Multiple sessions continued all afternoon and she was sent home with 2 k taxi money. I was totally exhausted. Big Head said "fuck her, dump her and move on". Little Head said "there could be three more days of that if she came with us to Moalboal". I'll let you guess who won and the remainder of the story. . .

Tagalog2016
03-15-18, 10:46
Look who's talking!
You are just trying to justify your own bad behavior by pointing out how bad Pinays are.
And meanwhile you are ignoring the rest of my post where I say that you and these girls are not on an equivalent basis.Of course not. Neither I hope to convince you on something, nor I have an intention to justify. I just enjoy our discussion, partly because you have precisely the opposite approach towards Filipinas.

You sound like a communist, who promotes the equality. If you are rich, then you should share your wealth with a poor. It is very kind idea, but the life is evil and cruel, and the perfect model of life, when all people on this Earth are happy and wealthy, is simply impossible.

May I ask you, whether you are used to make any donations to improve the life of hundreds of millions other poor people around the world, who die of starvation, diseases, who fled war, etc and who desperately need your help? Or maybe your kindness and generosity apply only to hosts of tight, wet slippery holes, whom you stick your dick inside?[Deleted by Admin]

I don't buy their pussies. I get them as something took for granted. I have a right to choose, and they can choose either. If any of the parties doesn't agree on conditions, then there is no deal! I don't give a shit of their motives. And by the way pinays don't feel any hard feelings about sex as well. That is what they are used to do and what they really enjoy. Some of them get a chance to travel, and of course that is tremendous additional incentive for them to be a good girls.

To answer you about "bad" Filipinas, I don't think so. They can be fun. Actually they are very predictable, if you understand their mentality and treat them accordingly. But still I want to repeat, I don't recommend long term relationship with Pinays.

Mr Enternational
03-15-18, 13:33
No, you're not the only one who thinks he's funny. More guys have said that. And quite often guys say how spot on his stories are. And most of the time they are senior members and not newcomers.
To be honest with you: I too think he is funny and spot on sometimes. But only sometimes.What is it that he has said that in your experience is not true?

Mogwai
03-15-18, 14:46
What is it that he has said that in your experience is not true?The problem is not so much that he's lying, but that he tends to generalize too much. He's making statements about a whole group of people (Pinays, Filipino's etc.) but in reality his statements only apply to a (small) part of that group.

Just a few examples from his recent posts:

- Almost everyone in this country is a foreign cash remittance addict.
- Unlike Western women, Pinays do not need to fall in love to enjoy animalistic natural sexing. It is natural for her to get soaking wet and fuck like a beast in heat with a strange cock.
- It is true that the Filipinas are always insisting on the foreign boyfriend or husband being honest and loyal, while they themselves are untrustworthy cheaters and liars.

Populist politicians are doing the same thing and maybe that's why I don't like him because I hate populism.

Chocha Monger
03-16-18, 04:30
Of course not. Neither I hope to convince you on something, nor I have an intention to justify. I just enjoy our discussion, partly because you have precisely the opposite approach towards Filipinas.

You sound like a communist, who promotes the equality. If you are rich, then you should share your wealth with a poor. It is very kind idea, but the life is evil and cruel, and the perfect model of life, when all people on this Earth are happy and wealthy, is simply impossible.Interesting, a communist utopian insists on egalitarian principles when fucking Pinays in a dystopian Philippines where a patron-client political system allows a handful of wealthy families to dominate the government and economy. Meanwhile, he benefits from cheap bareback 3-holer fucks with girls funneled into the hooking business due to the conditions created because of the dystopian society. Since he claims to champion egalitarianism and fair trade, should not our communist comrade pay Amsterdam prices when he fucks the Pinays and cover up his prick with latex, in accordance with guidelines from PROUD, the Dutch sex workers union? Doing so would level the playing field and make it fair for the girls, as he will gain no benefit from socioeconomic disparities. He should also give a full disclosure to the Pinays that girls their age in his homeland would not fuck him, as an old man who wants to fuck young women is very creepy and perverted according to their social norms. LOL!


May I ask you, whether you are used to make any donations to improve the life of hundreds of millions other poor people around the world, who die of starvation, diseases, who fled war, etc and who desperately need your help? Or maybe your kindness and generosity apply only to hosts of tight, wet slippery holes, whom you stick your dick inside?Apparently, his charitable donations are limited to poor and hungry girls who take a load of his semen in their pussies, mouths, and asses. Unfortunately, for them, that qualifies as sex work. Therefore, his donations are hardly charitable. Moreover, the compensation he pays them for enduring such copulatory activities are hardly fair trade. Unless he has confined all of his sexual intercourse with Pinays to overt prostitutes on a fee for service basis, he owes all of the non-pros that he fucked a house and lot as that was their expectation in return for sexual relationships.


I don't buy their pussies. I get them as something took for granted. I have a right to choose, and they can choose either. If any of the parties doesn't agree on conditions, then there is no deal! I don't give a shit of their motives. And by the way pinays don't feel any hard feelings about sex as well. That is what they are used to do and what they really enjoy. Some of them get a chance to travel, and of course that is tremendous additional incentive for them to be a good girls.

To answer you about "bad" Filipinas, I don't think so. They can be fun. Actually they are very predictable, if you understand their mentality and treat them accordingly. But still I want to repeat, I don't recommend long term relationship with Pinays.Pinays are goodtime girls. They excellent at rooting and making mongers happy over the short term. However, only the very foolish or suicidal try to make it work over the long term. The 62-year-old businessman and former owner of Jane's Lodge in Surigao City found out about long term relationships with a Pinay the hard way. His 35-year-old Pinay wife started to fuck their Filipino driver, and she decided hubby had to go! She arranged for two hitmen to give him a fatal case of lead poisoning.

https://globalnews.ca/news/2291106/interpol-notice-for-filipina-wife-of-murdered-fredericton-man-harry-doyle/

What is it with Pinays and drivers, trike or otherwise? They are obsessed with men who drive things. Curiously, Pinays refer to fucking in the dominant or top position as driving. When she rides your dick in cowgirl position, she is driving you. Conversely, when you are on top fucking her in the missionary position she is driving you. Perhaps, Pinays are just weak and horny for men who drive anything from a trike to a bus. LOL! Even the female politicians have an itch only their Filipino drivers can scratch!

Mogwai
03-16-18, 11:11
I just enjoy our discussionWell I don't, and now that you're starting to drag weird subjects like communism into this discussion, that have really nothing to do with it, I can better end it.
It's a waste of my time anyway since you are most likely a troll. And if you're not a troll and are really abusing these girls for your own pleasure then you're disgusting.

Soapy Smith
03-16-18, 18:51
Almost everyone in this country is a foreign cash remittance addict.

- Unlike Western women, Pinays do not need to fall in love to enjoy animalistic natural sexing. It is natural for her to get soaking wet and fuck like a beast in heat with a strange cock.

- It is true that the Filipinas are always insisting on the foreign boyfriend or husband being honest and loyal, while they themselves are untrustworthy cheaters and liars. You have been more generous than I would have been. I would have boiled his posts down to two general plotlines:

All Pinays are lying and deceitful; and.

All mongers get taken in by the deceit because they are gullible, having yielded all control of their thinking to their glands.

Occasionally there is a third plot, sometimes as a stand-alone, sometimes as a sidebar to one of the two basic plots above:

The Philippine system is rigged to find in favor of Filipinos and at the expense of, and ultimately imprisonment of, Western men.

So, CM's humor, if that's what it is, is like junior high school bathroom and sex jokes that get repeated every time a new person enters the room. Sadly, this is the only topic of conversation that some junior high school boys can sustain. If their jokes are funny, then so are CM's posts.

CM does sometimes have some witty lines. But this alone doesn't make him funny. Good comic writers know how to mix in some alternative plotlines so as to keep the audience guessing. CM isn't imaginative enough to do this--or perhaps his demons don't permit it--and so his "humor" is always predictable, the punchline is given away as soon as we see who the author is.


Populist politicians are doing the same thing and maybe that's why I don't like him because I hate populism.I guess this is what I was thinking a couple times when I suggested that he go to work writing for Breitbart News or Infowars. CM's posts are not unlike the populist drumbeat that these right-wing outlets maintain. Absent the drumbeat, CM doesn't have much to say.

I will offer an alternative interpretation: that CM has been badly hurt by one or more women, possibly Filipina or Filipinas. Probably most of us in the ISG forum have had bad experiences with women. Some rebound, and some don't. In CM's case he may simply be writing about his own experiences. So the deceitful women in his posts represent the woman / women who hurt him, and the gullible mongers reflect the things he did wrong to put himself in harm's way before these women. If this is his script, then we should see him as sort of pitiful, and all this critical stuff some of us have said about him is misplaced.

CM, in the interest of brotherly love, let me just say: if what I am saying here has any ring of truth to it, then get yourself some help. The light coming in the other end of the tunnel is real; it's not just a reflection on the wall of Plato's cave.

Tagalog2016
03-16-18, 19:44
First of all, let's figure out, why people have to generalize.

Data processing inside the human mind is very complicated and sophisticated process, but it can be conditionally devided into three stages: to get the information, to analyze it and to work out a certain reaction on that. Since we get a huge flow of information daily, we have to sort and group it so that to distinguish importnat from less signifacant. That's because we are simply unable to process all information we got, same thoroughly. As a result of processing we formulate a reaction: it could be our opinion on something, deed, motion, verbal actions etc, but information which was labeled as insignificant is moved to recycle bin without any reaction on that.

I describe this process to let you understand the principles of generalization. The human brain is unable to deal with big amount of similar, yet a little bit different information individually and simultaneously, since it is not powerful enough.

Thus it groups the stuffs based on most significant similarities, but it doesn't take into consideration differences, because they are less important. Further, large groups can be divided into smaller ones and so on and so forth. It is comparable with folders on laptop's desktop. We can have different folders with music and video. Music is divided by genres. Genres are divided by artists, albums and finally songs. If we need to find a certain song, it is much faster and convenient to search that song browsing folders, than to put all ungrouped video and audio files on desktop and search there, reading all labels in a row.

Now few words regarding exclusions. When we have to take any action, often we have only one chance, either to do it, or not. That is why we subconsciously consider exclusions of the rule before to act, so that to make a right decision and to ensure an action will be done correctly. As less exceptions, as more likelyhood, that it will be neglected.

Another important thing to consider is personal experience versus statistics. People are tend to put a personal experience as a top priority, when it comes to make an action (to say something, to do something, to assess something etc). Even if their case is an exception against general state of affairs, they are guided by personal experience in the first place. When they don't have enough (unpleasant) experience, they are prone to think, someone tells just fairy tales and it doesn't happen so often.

Now let's return to generalization of pinays. When someone wants to give an advise on something, he wants to send a clear message to his interlocutor to avoid a confusion. That's why he opts for generalization. In such case it is necessary to create a collective image of Filipina. It contains characteristics of different people. It can't match to a particular person 100%, but it contains some features which any Pinay definitely has. If you browse the forum, you will find out the most frequently used generalizations of Pinays from different users are: lie, cheat, money, screw, horny etc. These are the words from different mongers, which form a statistics. So it is fair to call these words credible.

It means, that collective image of Pinays should contain general traits inherent to them, such as inborn horniness, itch for money, tendency to lie and to cheat etc. I want to underline, that it is impersonal point of view. I didn't notice, that many members of this forum used words such as faithful, honest etc without sarcasm.

If someone questions the credibility of this statement, there is a simple way to test it.

Ask yourself:

1. Would you believe a word a random unknown Filipina says? The answer is "no". Remember, that before to answer your brain subconsciously considered exclusions, and still the answer is negative, because even if you know, that someone is honest, in your experience 9 of 10 are not.

2. Would you believe, that horny pinay would be faithful to you, if you are gone for 3 months? The answer is "no" and I am sure, you didn't think too long before to answer. But still your brain did some analysis for you before to let you answer, and his decision was univocal.

3. Would Filipina, whom you fucked, and who said she loves you, take an advantage of situation, if she has an access of your bank account? The answer is "yes", and again it didn't take long for your brain to choose the right answer.

For those guys who deny the reality, I would suggest to read my report again and to find the key phrase: "When they don't have enough (unpleasant) experience, they are prone to think, someone tells just fairy tales and it doesn't happen so often. ".

Soapy Smith
03-16-18, 20:32
I wood put my money on that too.I'd love to comment on this malapropism ("wood"), or maybe it was an intended pun, but something similar got RK in trouble a few weeks ago in the Angeles thread.

Tagalog2016
03-16-18, 22:21
Apparently, his charitable donations are limited to poor and hungry girls who take a load of his semen in their pussies, mouths, and asses. Unfortunately, a lot of guys who claim, they know and understand Philippines, are limited to interactions with hookers only. They think, that if they have been coming to AC for 20 years, they are experts in local life and girl's psychology. That's the biggest delusion. Unless you step in this shit by yourself, you can't claim you know anything about Pinays.

Mogwai
03-17-18, 11:23
Interesting, a communist utopian insists on egalitarian principles when fucking Pinays in a dystopian Philippines where a patron-client political system allows a handful of wealthy families to dominate the government and economy.... blah blah blahI think you have made it clear with this post, once and for all, that you prefer to write stories that don't have much (or even nothing) to do with reality. You like to pick a few lines from somebody's post that you find interesting and then create a story around them. And what you're often doing then (and this post that I'm replying to now is a perfect example) is magnifying and exaggerating these lines to absurd proportions. It's overkill.

I admit that not all of your posts are as extreme as this one, and that you sometimes write posts that are close(r) to reality. However most of your posts are well, just stories.
I just hope that people see the difference because you seem to have quite a lot of 'believers' among the members of this forum, who take everything you say for granted.

I could write similar stories as you. I'm also a gifted writer if I may say so myself, but only in Dutch, not in English. I would love to write a firm reply on the same level as your posts, but unfortunately that would take way too much time and effort for me.

Mogwai
03-17-18, 11:30
Unfortunately, a lot of guys who claim, they know and understand Philippines, are limited to interactions with hookers only. They think, that if they have been coming to AC for 20 years, they are experts in local life and girl's psychology. That's the biggest delusion. Unless you step in this shit by yourself, you can't claim you know anything about Pinays.That's funny, I was thinking exactly the same about you and CM.
By the way: weren't you the guy that said that 99% of the Pinays are WGs?

Mogwai
03-17-18, 11:45
First of all, let's figure out, why people have to generalize.
SNIP SNIP SNIP



Unfortunately, a lot of guys who claim, they know and understand Philippines, are limited to interactions with hookers only. They think, that if they have been coming to AC for 20 years, they are experts in local life and girl's psychology. That's the biggest delusion. Unless you step in this shit by yourself, you can't claim you know anything about Pinays.It seems very clear to me that your post about generalizations (#9215) is completely based on interactions with hookers only, LOL!

Oh wait, you said that 99% of the Pinays are hookers. You've got me there.

Mogwai
03-17-18, 12:09
You have been more generous than I would have been. I would have boiled his posts down to two general plotlines:
SNIP SNIP SNIP
Thanks a lot Soapy for boiling down CM's posts in such a great way. This is exactly the post that I would love to have written myself, but unfortunately English is not my native language so it would take me ages.
Good to know I'm not the only one here who doesn't like him.

WestCoast1
03-17-18, 17:26
It seems very clear to me that your post about generalizations (#9215) is completely based on interactions with hookers only, LOL!

Oh wait, you said that 99% of the Pinays are hookers. You've got me there.That's just the point (I think). To defend Tag just a bit. This board is about the girls who sell themselves for money. Whatever the percentage of girls in phils who do this (hardcore or otherwise), they represent a large number of ladies. The majority of readers on this board are here for the purpose of the board: Girls / money. When a Board Member here discusses pinay being *this* or *that* way. Ie, "A Filipina lies everytime she opens her mouth". I think its understood that he is talking about the girls we travel to Phils for (or move there to bang). While I disagree with the sweeping generalization of all Filipina lie, I think those of us experienced in mongering would agree that it often does apply to the girls we are there to meet, and that the gent who made the statement is talking about that group. "Oooooohhhh baby you so handsome". I'm not sure that the issue of what % of girls are hooking or not hooking is important.

This board isn't here to discuss someone's nice auntie, who does not share the questionable traits of many of the girls I've seeded. Its here to discuss the girls with peanut-butter legs (easy to spread).

Tagalog2016
03-17-18, 20:48
That's just the point (I think). To defend Tag just a bit. This board is about the girls who sell themselves for money. Whatever the percentage of girls in phils who do this (hardcore or otherwise), they represent a large number of ladies. The majority of readers on this board are here for the purpose of the board: Girls / money. When a Board Member here discusses pinay being *this* or *that* way. Ie, "A Filipina lies everytime she opens her mouth". I think its understood that he is talking about the girls we travel to Phils for (or move there to bang). While I disagree with the sweeping generalization of all Filipina lie, I think those of us experienced in mongering would agree that it often does apply to the girls we are there to meet, and that the gent who made the statement is talking about that group. "Oooooohhhh baby you so handsome". I'm not sure that the issue of what % of girls are hooking or not hooking is important.

This board isn't here to discuss someone's nice auntie, who does not share the questionable traits of many of the girls I've seeded. Its here to discuss the girls with peanut-butter legs (easy to spread).Actually, I put another word, which is not allowed on the forum and which was substituted by WG. I can stand by my word and that is how I think, based on my experience. You are absolutely right, that people on here are for a wet tight pussy, but the thing is the majority of pinays would get laid with a monger in exchange of (proposed) money. I agree with you, that percentage doesn't matter. That is a phenomenon, which primarily depends on their mentality and in the second place on level of life.

If you compare with other hot monger spots such as Ukraine, Colombia, Venezuela etc, girls in these countries are not like that. Try to get laid for free there and you will find out it is quite difficult comparing to Philippines. Because they will assess you as a man in the first place, unlike in PI, where any Dutch old man with flabby ass has a chance to get laid for free, providing he is a good storyteller. They say Madagascar is similar, but I've never been there so far, plus I am not attracted to such type of a women.

Member #1088
03-17-18, 22:29
Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?

It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?

Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.When are the exams weeks?

Goferring
03-18-18, 01:55
When are the exams weeks?Depending on the college, but most that spoke to me had end of year exams the whole month of March. There are mid years as well but I haven't worried about findibg out about these yet.

Chocha Monger
03-18-18, 02:21
Actually, I put another word, which is not allowed on the forum and which was substituted by WG. I can stand by my word and that is how I think, based on my experience. You are absolutely right, that people on here are for a wet tight pussy, but the thing is the majority of pinays would get laid with a monger in exchange of (proposed) money. I agree with you, that percentage doesn't matter. That is a phenomenon, which primarily depends on their mentality and in the second place on level of life.

If you compare with other hot monger spots such as Ukraine, Colombia, Venezuela etc, girls in these countries are not like that. Try to get laid for free there and you will find out it is quite difficult comparing to Philippines. Because they will assess you as a man in the first place, unlike in PI, where any Dutch old man with flabby ass has a chance to get laid for free, providing he is a good storyteller. They say Madagascar is similar, but I've never been there so far, plus I am not attracted to such type of a women.Filipinas will suck the flabbiest balls and oldest cock in the galaxy warts, wrinkles and all. At least, as long as there is the possibility of some cash or opportunity to emigrate in it. In a nutshell, that is the primary reason the Philippines is the most popular sex tourism destination for elderly men in the world. It is the last refuge for old poles seeking young holes.

Soapy Smith
03-18-18, 02:55
Good to know I'm not the only one here who doesn't like him.I don't actively dislike him; that would require more emotional energy than I care to invest. I almost feel sorry for him, because it seems he can't help himself. I haven't blocked him because that too takes energy. I just mostly have him on mental ignore. My summation of his narrow range of plotlines is something I had identified long ago, and that's when I put him mentally on ignore. I perked up for your post because I pretty much agreed and, since I think he adds more distortion than value to the board, I really don't get why people keep defending him. I sort of get it that Mr. E feels some brotherly loyalty, but E also offers a lot more balanced views on things Filipino, and he adds useful information from time to time. A couple senior board members have advised me in PMs to totally ignore him, but far be it from me to take such really sound advice.

Dg8787
03-18-18, 03:06
Thanks a lot Soapy for boiling down CM's posts in such a great way. This is exactly the post that I would love to have written myself, but unfortunately English is not my native language so it would take me ages.
Good to know I'm not the only one here who doesn't like him.I don't ever recall a CM post about him or whatever ever getting any pussy. After all is said and done he got none. Sad.

I don’t care how good a person writes. If you ain’t getting any pussy you don’t have any creditability here.

Dg8787
03-18-18, 07:11
Filipinas will suck the flabbiest balls and oldest cock in the galaxy warts, wrinkles and all. At least, as long as there is the possibility of some cash or opportunity to emigrate in it. In a nutshell, that is the primary reason the Philippines is the most popular sex tourism destination for elderly men in the world. It is the last refuge for old poles seeking young holes.I assume you are stating this from your experience.

Mogwai
03-18-18, 09:19
Just always remember that the percentage of good honest Filipinos is really very very low. So you guys, shouldn't fool yourself regarding good pinays. Just be realistic and cynic and try to analyze your so called relationship soberly. 99 % of pinays are sl#ts and you should always keep that axiom in your mind, no matter what they do and how they behave. Anyway their final target is your money.


That's just the point (I think). To defend Tag just a bit. This board is about the girls who sell themselves for money. Whatever the percentage of girls in phils who do this (hardcore or otherwise), they represent a large number of ladies. The majority of readers on this board are here for the purpose of the board: Girls / money. When a Board Member here discusses pinay being *this* or *that* way. Ie, "A Filipina lies everytime she opens her mouth". I think its understood that he is talking about the girls we travel to Phils for (or move there to bang). While I disagree with the sweeping generalization of all Filipina lie, I think those of us experienced in mongering would agree that it often does apply to the girls we are there to meet, and that the gent who made the statement is talking about that group. "Oooooohhhh baby you so handsome". I'm not sure that the issue of what % of girls are hooking or not hooking is important.Generally speaking I agree with you Westy. However in this case Tagalog2016 has made it very clear that he considers almost all Pinays as WGs.
See the quote above, and here's another quote from the Manila thread (#16104):


As was told few times before, Filipinas could be divided into two groups. First are straightforward and ask money for sex right away. Others are more sly and they are willing to wait for weeks, months or even year (s) to get your money. No matter whether she is from the first group, or from the second one, you should always keep in your mind, that 99% of pinays are WG, who are primarily interested in your wealth.

Mogwai
03-18-18, 09:51
I don't ever recall a CM post about him or whatever ever getting any pussy. After all is said and done he got none. Sad.
I dont care how good a person writes. If you aint getting any pussy you dont have any creditability here.I can recall one post about a romp he had. But maybe that was also fiction.
I suppose he can only get his pen up (to write stories) and not his dick anymore.

Mogwai
03-18-18, 10:06
I perked up for your post because I pretty much agreed and, since I think he adds more distortion than value to the board, I really don't get why people keep defending him.
SNIP
A couple senior board members have advised me in PMs to totally ignore him, but far be it from me to take such really sound advice.I don't get it either why people keep defending him and I wish more people would openly stand up against him. Like those senior board members who advised you in PMs to ignore him. If it turns out that many people don't like his posts he might back off a little bit.

OTOH it might only encourage him to keep posting. He's not really a troll I think but nevertheless difficult to stop.

Member #1088
03-18-18, 16:42
Depending on the college, but most that spoke to me had end of year exams the whole month of March. There are mid years as well but I haven't worried about findibg out about these yet.Hum, I wonder if there is any way to find out, then we can schedule the visits around that time.

I also notice for Christmas they look for help.

Mr Enternational
03-18-18, 16:49
Hum, I wonder if there is any way to find out, then we can schedule the visits around that time.

I also notice for Christmas they look for help.Not to be Captain Obvious, but did you ask a chick that goes to school?

Member #1088
03-18-18, 17:04
Not often on the board these days tho my post count will certainly indicate I was previously.

I live in Makati in my own place. Been here n.....
The other types are the ones who do all the domestics, plus will be an equal partner in bed and who will happily give me a long lingering body scrub after. Guys, you don't need a live in maid: You just have to select the right type of girl.Hum not just domestic, I am chatting with two "good girls", they both offer me tht they can do my laundry no problem and cook for me.

I know they are not dosmetic, they go to univeristy, I even so their school ID.

Member #1088
03-18-18, 17:05
Not to be Captain Obvious, but did you ask a chick that goes to school?LOL, yes I asked many, but different answers,.

Bushes
03-18-18, 18:57
Why? Are you offering to tutor them? ROTFLMAO.


Hum, I wonder if there is any way to find out, then we can schedule the visits around that time.

I also notice for Christmas they look for help.Actually had GFs in uni that did that for me. And hand washing at night.


Hum not just domestic, I am chatting with two "good girls", they both offer me tht they can do my laundry no problem and cook for me.

I know they are not dosmetic, they go to univeristy, I even so their school ID.

FreebieFan
03-19-18, 05:42
I don't ever recall a CM post about him or whatever ever getting any pussy. After all is said and done he got none. Sad.

I dont care how good a person writes. If you aint getting any pussy you dont have any creditability here.I'm in full agreement. Hes been on my ignore list for a few years. Sad cynical twitwho loves to take cheap shots but contributes nothing. Had a few spats with him over the years and then found peace when I hit the ignore button. Hes nothing but a waste of time and space.

Tagalog2016
03-19-18, 11:50
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Member #1088
03-19-18, 18:09
Hey guys.

I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.

Is this a scam? By her or someone else?

Ty for any info.

Bushes
03-19-18, 18:31
Was that for No. 2 pencils?

I don't use Paypal after several bad experiences. Western Union is the one that is easy to use and many prefer. There are a couple other ones I used years ago but I forget the names.


Hey guys.

I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.

Is this a scam? By her or someone else?

Ty for any info.

Simmer
03-19-18, 18:40
Hey guys.

I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.

Is this a scam? By her or someone else?

Ty for any info.Sharing of PayPal accounts seems to happen. I've sent money for some work done by a freelance coder and had an odd description come up. He did get the money but explained that he shared the account with somebody else.

If she didn't get it then maybe somebody else did take it. Somewhat hard to tell. Guessing it's not the girl as one common scam is the first few small payments work ok, then she asks for a larger sum, which might also work ok, then a bigger sum still and "boom" she's gone with your money, or mysteriously doesn't receive it (cough).

Dg8787
03-19-18, 23:06
Hey guys.

I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.

Is this a scam? By her or someone else?

Ty for any info.Ukay ukay means used clothes (store). Many Filipinos do not have a way to receive money whether the lack of proper ID or a way to do it. Many will use a friend or family member with proper ID to receive the money for them. Some are trustworthy and some are not.

Transporter
03-19-18, 23:27
Hey guys.

I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.

Is this a scam? By her or someone else?

Ty for any info.Try coins. Ph.

You can download it on your mobile, and it is very convenient.