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Tagalog2016

03-20-18, 07:30

Hey guys.

I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.

Is this a scam? By her or someone else?

Ty for any info.First and foremost, that's a really big no to send any money to pinays. It doesn't matter, whether you send her 50 p or 50 thousands. You break the basic rule, which encourages them to scam you and other people again and again.

Absolutely all Filipinas who ask you to send them money directly or incite you to make such decision by yourself are scammers. There is a fair trade relationship, when you pay money to fuck them, but everything, which is beyond this, is their shameless attempt to squeeze as much money from foolish gullible foreigners, as possible.

I don't want to repeat myself, but instead you can read at least 3 last pages of this thread to get more information and hints regarding all eventualities with sly Filipinas.

Regarding your question, you got the answer from other members already, that ukay ukay is a secondhand stuffs store, which is most likely owned by your girl or her relatives / friends.

I can't help wondering, why some other people advise you to use other payment systems, instead of to warn you against any money sending at all. This suggests, that still many of them are victims of pinays. Apparently, they encourage other fellows to make mistakes to legitimate their own behavior.

Mogwai

03-20-18, 10:06

Is thre a way online to use western union but keep ano,nymous?Maybe there is, but it will for sure be illegal.

Wicked Roger

03-20-18, 10:23

Maybe there is, but it will for sure be illegal.IMHO not a chance as illegal and WU will want to know your ID and details of payment. As USA based it will want passport, credit card and name check. I use WU online and no way can I be a different person. It asked me my details and I had to prove the CC used was mine and a name check! Am sure if there is a way someone will tell you but I agree with Mog, this is not the way to go.

Transporter

03-20-18, 11:07

Requieres ID / selfie.To take funds out yes, but small quantities there are ways to get around an ID and selfie.

You can always have people add funds to your account. And getting an ID is easy to do just go to recto and buy one.

BaddHabbit

03-21-18, 02:04

Absolutely all Filipinas who ask you to send them money directly or incite you to make such decision by yourself are scammers. To say "Absolutely all" is of course a gross generalisation. I had a pinay I had seen a few times ask to borrow some money because her laptop had died and she needed an emergency replacement. I sent her 10,000 peso with the expectation that I would never see it again. I was ok with that. Multiple visits, all freebies, great LT GFE each time, a lot of fun.

It took her multiple payments over three months but she paid back every single dollar, and when it was fully paid out she sent me some flowers as a thank you.

I accept that many, indeed most, of the girls that we talk about here are up for scamming the old foreigners, but it certainly isn't "Absolutely all". And, BTW, I am hardly an experienced monger with hundreds of notches on the belt, so my percentage rate for genuine people is commensurately higher.

WestCoast1

03-21-18, 06:34

Mogwai

03-21-18, 08:25

There is a fair trade relationship, when you pay money to fuck them, but everything, which is beyond this, is their shameless attempt to squeeze as much money from foolish gullible foreigners, as possible.And there is not a fair trade relationship, when you don't pay money to fuck them and pretend you want a serious relationship.
A shameless attempt to squeeze as much sex from foolish gullible pinays as possible.

Tagalog2016

03-21-18, 09:20

To say "Absolutely all" is of course a gross generalisation. I had a pinay I had seen a few times ask to borrow some money because her laptop had died and she needed an emergency replacement. I sent her 10,000 peso with the expectation that I would never see it again. I was ok with that. Multiple visits, all freebies, great LT GFE each time, a lot of fun.

It took her multiple payments over three months but she paid back every single dollar, and when it was fully paid out she sent me some flowers as a thank you.

I accept that many, indeed most, of the girls that we talk about here are up for scamming the old foreigners, but it certainly isn't "Absolutely all". And, BTW, I am hardly an experienced monger with hundreds of notches on the belt, so my percentage rate for genuine people is commensurately higher.I agree, that every rule has an exceptions. But can your example be considered as an exception?

The problem is, a lot of people simplify things and make superficial erroneous conclusions. And by the way, it can also be called generalization. For example, many fellow mongers think, that If a girl asks money in exchange of sex, she is a prostitute, if she doesn't, then she is a good girl. If she borrows money from you and disappears, she is a scammer, if she pays back, then she is trustworthy and honest. While it's almost always true, that highly ethical woman won't sell her pussy and decent person won't scam you, it is irrelevant for opposite situation, because a scammer or cheater can sometimes make a good deed in some random cases.

Young pinays are mostly childish and poorly educated. Even those, who hold bachelor degree, sometimes strike you with blatant ignorance in some subjects like geography, history, literature, politics etc. Still lack of education doesn't mean, they are straightforward. They are sly, deceitful and extremely unreliable. Not all of them are professional scammers. You mentioned, your pinay paid back the debt, and perhaps she didn't intend to scam you. But it doesn't mean, she is reliable and honest. Maybe it was a fortuitous turn of events, that she had generous infusion of money from other sponsors that time, or something like that. But in unfortunate circumstances, she would have stiffed you with money without regret. It is very common even among Filipinos, when someone "trustworthy" suddenly disappears with money. Things just went wrong in his life, and he simply changed his mind to repay his loan, while under different circumstances he would have paid.

Actually, the reason, why she paid back her debt can be different. There could be too many reasons to list them all. But few of them include:

- She is a scammer and she is willing to milk you in the long run. She wants you to lose your vigilance, so that to squeeze more money from you in future. It doesn't necessarily mean, she literally wants to ask you for another loan, which she won't pay back, although it could be possible. It could be like she wants to establish more trusting relationship to get an advantage of you, when you consider her your GF, or when you merry her.

It is important to mention, that pattern of behavior of pinays in the short term significantly differs from their behavior in the long term. An innocent angel can turn into witch. Their inborn itch of money will always push them to leech off you, but lack of morality and shortsightedness will make very possible, she will cheat you in time as well.

If you don't believe me, you can read the recent example of such situation in the thread "Angeles city", posted by Nice Guy 99. The post #22088. He broke up with his GF after 3 years of relationship. She never asked for money until recently, when she asked him to buy a jeepney for her brother and then lied him, she needs money for funeral of her relative, while in fact nobody died.

So never trust Filipina based on your short term experience. If she didn't lie you so far, then she definitely will. But in time.

- Another possible reason, why she repaid the loan, could be she simply likes you and that is why she tries her best to be decent with you. Yes, it is also possible if you are relatively young and good looking guy. Still it doesn't mean, she is honest and decent with others. I can tell you an example, when one girl never asked money from me, but in time I found out she has been making appointments with one old expat from Manila to blow him off at his place. It was commercial relationship between them. He paid and she gave him her holes in exchange of money.

Again, her possible affection to you in short term perspective has nothing to do with her feelings in long term relationship. She will find her way to screw you if you will allow her enough time for that.

Tagalog2016

03-21-18, 10:20

Great point.

For those who think all Filipina are liars or scammers, please check out https://www.kiva.org/ This is a loan operation. They have been in operation for more than a decade. Thousands of people with small biz ideas can get loans (similar to crowd-funding). They put their biz idea online and wait for investors. Some get investors, others don't. They have a high payback rate, even among pinoy. You can become a VC with a loan of as little as $25.

I've had good luck and bad luck with loans. However its wrong to make the sweeping generalization.As I said, I agree, that exceptions do exist. However, generalization is necessary to draw out the key trends in the pattern of behavior of Filipinas.

When 9 of 10 people are liars, and 1 is honest, it is fair to say "most of them are dishonest". Yes, it is generalization, but if you say "some of them are honest, but some are not" it won't reflect the real state of affairs, since it won't let you sense the key trends. "Some honest and some not" can refer to:

- 5 honest and 5 dishonest.

- 1 honest, 9 dishonest.

- 9 honest and 1 dishonest.

How to get who is who in such case? When we generalize, we make it clear what we mean. That is especially important, when it is said in a context of word of warning.

As old saying says, forewarned is forearmed.

Sammon

03-21-18, 11:42

Tagalog2016

03-21-18, 12:47

D Cups

03-21-18, 14:08

This is partly true. There are many honest girls in the PI and they are sweeter than most others I have met in my travels. Particularly if they are from the province. And they love sex. Not the brightest lot, mind you, but the other qualities make up for it. Conversely, I have met many who are notorious liars and cheaters. I think it's 50-50. As an example, I once gave a cute busty Cebuana I was courting $100 to finish her schooling. I wanted to bang her but never got beyond first base. She dumped me for another guy who professed his love and marriage to her so I said send me the $100 back. It took her awhile but eventually she sent the money back to me (or was it HIS money? Anyways, the Filipinas always need money. It is a poor country with high unemployment. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2156233.

There are many honest girls. QUOTE]

WestCoast1

03-21-18, 15:03

Likewise. I had given 3000 pesos to my GF at that time from Leyte and sent her on shopping. She needed nice outfits and shoes and practically everything. Just had a cloth bag when she came. She came back after a few hours spending only 800 pesos and handed me back rest of the money. Started explaining what she bought and how much it cost. In other words she bought some junk. That evening I took her to the mall and bought good stuff for her.

There are many honest girls.An interesting dichotomy. Almost all of my regular girls are honest with money that I hand to them, in just the same way as Sammon. Often I had them a blue note to run up the street to Jollie, and they (there might be more than one at a time), and they always return with the full change and a receipt, even though I've never requested a receipt. However, several have been caught lying when attempting to borrow online from overseas (about the reason or need for the money). They also lie routinely about whether they have a boyfriend / husband or not. A prime example of 2 lies in one:

One of those 'honest' regulars from the province borrowed 1500 to get her sick auntie some medicine. Lets call the auntie Lyn (not real name). Lyn is the one with an ID for money pickup, so I sent it to her. Later, I ran into Lyn in the mall (without the girl present), I asked if the medicine had helped quickly. She seemed confused. I told her the girl borrowed 1500 for Lyn's meds 6 weeks prior. Lyn said she was never sick, that she picked up the money and gave it to the girl, and the girl went on a booze / cigarettes spending spree for 2 days with her boyfriend. What? Her boyfriend? She has a boyfriend? "Yes. That guy you see him before". She showed me a picture on her phone of some boys in their barrio near a basketball court. The skinny tiny boy that looks like he's 15? "Yes that's him". The 'honest' girl who brings my change and also has never touched the pesos in my pants pocket in the night lied about borrowing money and lied about having a boyfie.

In addition, almost every one of my regulars has been caught lying about the existence of a local boyfriend, husband, or other foreign boyfriend. Example: Last summer, a regular Cebuana told me (unsolicited) that she'd broken a relationship with another foreign guy (he drinks too much). An unsolicited confession of a previous boyfriend while I was with her. Very nice. So, right then I asked if she'd had other boyfriends during our 8-year time together. "No". Pinoy even? "No". Got it. While she slept, I did a search for her FB and found it (didn't know she had one). Recent pics of her and the pinoy love of her life in her home, with her son, going back several years. The next morning at breakfast I mentioned it. She smiled. "Yes. My boyfriend. Father my son". I see. Does he live with you? "Yes. When he is not gone for trabajo". Does he know about me? "Not sure". How long have you been with him? "Since before my son". So, 8 or 9 years maybe? "Um, ten". Do you love him? "Yes". Other than this, she's never been dishonest, and is such a sweetie.

These CM-type stories are real, and not uncommon. They are what make many men make sweeping generalizations.

Chocha Monger

03-21-18, 21:32

Your example doesn't prove her honesty and decency either.

She might be honest with you on this, and scam you with other things at the same time. Or even she can be absolutely honest with money (which rarely happens), but can fuck with other foreigners or pinoys.

You look for obvious things to check her honesty, but way of thinking of Pinays differ from yours.

Their indecency can reveal in absolutely unexpected things and deeds, which you even can't assume. That's why I strongly suggest to refrain from premature conclusion. Time is the only legitimate judge. Sometimes it takes years, not months to realize the reality.Exactly! The caveats are that their treachery will manifest itself in "absolutely unexpected things and deeds" that a foreigner cannot imagine, as it will be something totally out of character with the face and behavior shown to him over years not months. These "unexpected things and deeds" may not target the foreigner directly or specifically. However, the wise person will reconsider their relationship with the girls involved.

For example, a girl with an education from a reputable university and well-paid government job suddenly stole from emergency cash fund at work. When her supervisor detected the theft and her supervisor gave her a week to return the money, she asked me to repay it for her. I refused and parted ways.

Another case involved a holy-roller girl who "borrowed" money from a girlfriend promising to repay on payday. This girl attended mass at least 3 times a week and was an active leader in Catholic youth groups. She claimed the money was for surgery to save her dying mother. Well, repayment time rolled around and she needed an extension, and so it went. Until I finally told my girlfriend, she was conned. Unwilling to accept this, she started making some inquiries and discovered that the Holy Roller borrowed money from almost everyone in their circle of friends.

They banded together and traveled to her barangay, where they visited her house. Sure enough, the "dying mother" was not in hospital but at home in good health and was never ill. In fact, she cried upon hearing that her daughter was using tales of her imminent death as a pretext for defrauding friends of money. The mother texted the girl asking her to come home immediately after work from the municipal hall where she worked as an accountant. When she arrived, in the presence of her parents and friends, she denied borrowing money from her friends. Her friends were stunned at her brazenness. However, one of them was accompanied by her mother who called some policemen. The Holy Roller was forced to pay that particular girl back the money she swore that she never borrowed.

Further investigation revealed that she had stolen a large sum of money from the municipal government, and her salary was being garnished each month to repay it. After the truth came out she deleted her Facebook, quit her job, and vanished.

Her dishonesty and thievery was definitely an unexpected and the victims were friends she knew for years. Yet, she did not have the decency to tell the truth and ask for help instead of victimizing them without mercy. This is the danger that many mongers are ignoring. In general, Pinays behave unpredictably in response to unknown financial triggers, and they do so without remorse. This makes them bad long-term partners, and very dangerous in cases where they benefit from the demise of foreign husband / boyfriend.

Pinays have an answer for this and it is, "Not all!" Sure, not all are like that, in the same way as not all snakes are venomous. However, people tend to treat all snakes with deep respect as misidentifying a deadly one as being harmless could result in fatal consequences.

Sammon

03-21-18, 21:38

BrainDrain

03-22-18, 06:13

Basically a filipina will do whatever she has to do to get what her or her family need. A foreigner is just a rich vein of cash. We all give when we are asked. Some stories work on different people.

That a family of 6 will view the oldest girl pussy as a cash cow. She needs to have a regular foreigner on the hook at any one time to provide monthly allowance. The allowance she gets from her Korean BF is twice what our staff at work get. It distorts her mind. What will the family do when she graduates college to get an honest job for half the peso?

BD.

Tagalog2016

03-22-18, 07:56

While she slept, I did a search for her FB and found it (didn't know she had one). Almost every pinay has FB account, and if she says, she doesn't, she definitely hides something.

I want to note, that some girls have two, or even three FB accounts. Each one is used for it's own purpose. As a rule, it's difficult to find her second account, as she can call herself with a nickname, abbreviated name, or turn her name upside down, e. G. To put Enaj instead of Jane, or to put her middle surname (maiden name of her mother) etc.

Second account may or may not be linked with the main account. If it is linked, her alter ego account can be befriended with main one, or both accounts could have common friends. Often, the second account is created for western BFs, so that they won't notice her pinoy BF or husband.

Another common trick is when her pinoy BF creates fake female account, and you could never get to know, that a lovely girl among your GF's friends, whom with she is used to chat daily, is in fact her favorite Filipino stud.

Mogwai

03-22-18, 10:33

Pinays have an answer for this and it is, "Not all!" Sure, not all are like that, in the same way as not all snakes are venomous. However, people tend to treat all snakes with deep respect as misidentifying a deadly one as being harmless could result in fatal consequences.The more time you spend in the Phils (or SE Asia for that matter) the more you get to know which snakes are venomous and which ones are not. Although of course there will always be the occasional snake that tricks you.

Mogwai

03-27-18, 08:39

You forgot the money!
She will sell herself, her parents, children, anyone and anything for the sake of money. You don't know Filipinos well, if you consider they will give their last peso to parents or sister. They are selfish, and they think about themselves in the first place.There's only one person here who's thinking of himself in the first place.

BaddHabbit

03-27-18, 12:32

There's only one person here who's thinking of himself in the first place.But hang on, SHOULDN'T they think of themselves and their needs as more important to them than our needs? We are a means to an end for them, just as they are for us. It's called 'Enlightened self-interest'.

Mr Enternational

03-27-18, 13:19

But hang on, SHOULDN'T they think of themselves and their needs as more important to them than our needs? We are a means to an end for them, just as they are for us. It's called 'Enlightened self-interest'.You have the wrong argument. He said they will think of themselves rather than how everyone says they first think of the collective (mom, dad, kids, siblings etc). The foreigner is not an issue in that argument.

Tagalog2016

03-27-18, 13:36

But hang on, SHOULDN'T they think of themselves and their needs as more important to them than our needs? We are a means to an end for them, just as they are for us. It's called 'Enlightened self-interest'.Enlightened self-interest in such context means, that you won't lie, you won't cheat, you won't scam, because you certainly don't want your partner to apply the same towards you. Eventually only this way you can get the biggest benefit for yourself.

In Philippines this philosophy absolutely doesn't work. Pinays cheat, lie and scam, but they expect foreigners to be decent in return. That's a phenomenon of Filipino mentality. No matter how good, honest and generous you are, you won't get any gratitude from them.

BaddHabbit

03-28-18, 01:26

Enlightened self-interest in such context means, that you won't lie, you won't cheat, you won't scam, because you certainly don't want your partner to apply the same towards you. Eventually only this way you can get the biggest benefit for yourself..No, enlightened self-interest simply means you will act in a way towards others that best provides the environment to encourage them to act the way you would wish them to for your own purposes. So, in this case, providing GFE and laughing at bad jokes, etc, etc, is all part of creating the ambiance that encourages the punter to provide money, gifts, etc. Whether they are doing it for 'true' reasons or not, it is in their own interest to act in response to the interests of punters. BTW, it could mean that they specifically DO lie or cheat, if that is in the interest of the other, and thereby encourages the other to do what you want them to.

You have the wrong argument. He said they will think of themselves rather than how everyone says they first think of the collective (mom, dad, kids, siblings etc). The foreigner is not an issue in that argument.Agreed, my comment on the foreigner is simply that we all act in this way at times, and it is perfectly rational for them (or us) to think of themselves first. Enlightened self-interest is simply that they may be thinking of and acting on your interests because that in fact serves their own interests longer term. This is as true in a family dynamic as it is in a commercial transaction. Whether the average Pinay can think in this strategic manner, or express it as such, is another argument altogether!

Chocha Monger

03-28-18, 06:44

Enlightened self-interest in such context means, that you won't lie, you won't cheat, you won't scam, because you certainly don't want your partner to apply the same towards you. Eventually only this way you can get the biggest benefit for yourself.

In Philippines this philosophy absolutely doesn't work. Pinays cheat, lie and scam, but they expect foreigners to be decent in return. That's a phenomenon of Filipino mentality. No matter how good, honest and generous you are, you won't get any gratitude from them.They will lie, cheat, and swindle without conscience. However, the foreigner must not only be decent. He must be trusting to the point of gullibility. Pinays are offended when a foreigner does not immediately place his complete trust and confidence in them. "Wala trust?" No trust? Is one of their favorite rhetorical questions when a foreigner takes common sense measures to limit potential financial losses.

Gratitude is something that does not apply to foreigners, as you are not their "kababayan" (compatriot). However, they will not hesitate to demand help for themselves and family members. They look confused when you say, "I am a foreigner. How is the bill for your grandmother's lifesaving hemorrhoidectomy my responsibility?

Try telling them that you fell on hard times and will need their help. Suddenly, they disappear and no longer have load to reply to your text messages. I saw this happen to a Korean and a few Americans. In the Korean's case, the Pinays always joined him for lunch in groups of 4 to 6. Invariably, he was stuck with the bill. Then he fell ill. None of his lunch mates brought him food, offered to take his clothes to the laundry, or visited him. His medical bills wiped out his savings. When he recovered and returned to work, his so-called friends appeared again for free feeds. However, he had learnt his lesson. LOL!

It is best to keep things quid pro quo with the girls, and not rely on their gratitude. As the girls say, "It is business lang (only)." Among their friends, they pride themselves on being "practical" in their dealing with foreigners. It is up to us to be practical in our dealings with them too, which means not falling for sympathy stories. In fact, one should always return the favor and give the girls a good story about some family tragedy back home requiring you to wire huge sums of money home for Grandpa's lifesaving penile implant surgery.

Tagalog2016

03-28-18, 08:19

No, enlightened self-interest simply means you will act in a way towards others that best provides the environment to encourage them to act the way you would wish them to for your own purposes. So, in this case, providing GFE and laughing at bad jokes, etc, etc, is all part of creating the ambiance that encourages the punter to provide money, gifts, etc. Whether they are doing it for 'true' reasons or not, it is in their own interest to act in response to the interests of punters. BTW, it could mean that they specifically DO lie or cheat, if that is in the interest of the other, and thereby encourages the other to do what you want them to.I can't agree with you. The following definition is given in Wikipedia:

"Enlightened self-interest is a philosophy in ethics which states that persons who act to further the interests of others (or the interests of the group or groups to which they belong), ultimately serve their own self-interest.

It has often been simply expressed by the belief that an individual, group, or even a commercial entity will "do well by doing good".

Enlightened self-interest is related to the Golden Rule: simply acting toward all others the way one wants them to act toward oneself. The reasoning, for example, is 'I will not steal because if I steal then others may steal from me and the creation of a thieving society will likely hurt me'."

Thus, according to this philosophy, it is wrong to make bad deeds, because in the long run it can harm you, and eventually you wouldn't gain the ultimate benefit for yourself.

Let's take an example. A western guy is looking for a wife in Philippines. Pinay could gain the biggest benefit, if she will be a genuinely good girl, since ultimately she can become a wife of a foreigner, which therefore enables her to get an access to the wealthy life, she was dreaming about.

Yes, she can get some profit in the short term perspective, even if she was dishonest and cheat on him. But ultimately, she will be most likely exposed and wouldn't become a wife of a wealthy guy. She won't get the maximum profit, which she could get, if she acted honestly and decently.

Your example, when a girl gives GFE and sex in exchange of money is relevant too, but it can be categorized as a business relationship solely. I strongly disagree, that a girl could lie and cheat, since it contradicts the basic principles of this philosophy and could harm her in the long term.

When I told, that enlightened self-interest doesn't meet the mentality of pinays, I meant their general attitude towards relationship and not P4 P. Mostly Filipinas are narrow-minded and prone to make a BS.

I must say, that some pinays manage to get away with it. There are a lot of cases, when sly girls become a spouses of naive foreigners, and the truth would reveal itself only when it's late already, or even worse their husbands would never get to know they are scammed and cheated by their wives. But you shouldn't confuse fortuitous turn of events with enlightened self-interest. Again, this philosophy can't be based on bad deeds. If a taxi driver hit a jackpot just because you didn't know a fare, it doesn't mean he was acting according enlightened self-interest philosophy. He was just lucky, because his passenger was a fool.

Goferring

03-28-18, 11:03

Chocha Monger

03-28-18, 11:20

Last night I was stalking Pina when I came across a girl supposedly flying in from Cebu on her way to work in Macau In 2 days. In short, she said her 3 am arrival was too late to wake her aunt so could she stay at my place. She gave her flight number which matched the arrival time and subsequent delayed flight times. She arrived at my place with suitcase and bag tags. The story was she was on her way to stay with a cousin in Macau and a walk-in job application as a maid.

The obvious happened for the rest of the night and the following morning. In the morning she makes some references to a deposit gone bad for her visa show money. Checks her ATM. Deposit not available. Calls the bank in front of me - "wait 3 to 5 business days". I think this is a uncle's heart attack story to ensure payment but she refuses cash for services and even P500 for the taxi to aunt's place and goes home.

4 pm this afternoon she Vibers that she still has a problem with the bank. I offer to help to the value of last night, P3 k. Then the full fraud allert warnings go off. Can't come now but will come after the transfer to fuck me senseless, do the transfer first then I will come and help you pack, can't come in person for the cash but you can Remit it at these places.

I would have been happy to pay for services but pulled out, smelling a scam. When I said I didn't have enough cash on me she was fine. No arguments, no abuse, no tears. Just "I hope I get it sorted or I'll miss the plane".

Part of me thinks I prevented a good long-con but the gullible part also questions why she didn't take the bird in the hand earlier and thinks I may have Cheap Charlied a nice chica.It is a trap! My guess is that after you remit the money with your full name and details, as required to send money within the Philippines, some friendly policemen were going to show up at your door. Why she did not take the 3 K for the fucking you ask? Well, for one, it would have blown her cover as normal girl traveling to a job abroad. Secondly, she was holding out for much larger "show money" anywhere from 15 K to 25 K. Thirdly, her accomplices were probably going to demand anywhere from 250 K to 500 K to make her charges against you go away.

You got lucky when you decided not to remit the 3 K and your details to complete the rest of the scam. She would have helped you pack for your extended stay a Bicutan Detention Center. You should be checked out and reading this post at a safe location. Returning to your place before payment of the transfer would have ruined whatever she had planned, as she would not have your details to past to her pals. In addition, she was hoping that you would be eager enough for an encore performance to think with your little head instead of the big one.

Tagalog2016

03-28-18, 11:30

Part of me thinks I prevented a good long-con but the gullible part also questions why she didn't take the bird in the hand earlier and thinks I may have Cheap Charlied a nice chica.Because she is "not a prostitute to accept the money in exchange of sex". LOL.

Who cares, that she doesn't mind to get laid with a stranger, who provided her a shelter for a couple of hours, while her aunt was sleeping. Of course she is not a prostitute, and she felt genuine affection towards you right after you filled her mouth with sperm. That's why she felt the urge to bare her soul in front of you to let you know about her hardship and to get fatherly advise (or help) from your side.

Whatever her story is scam or not, such girls are a garbage and you shouldn't grieve about her. You offered her a shelter, she repaid you with her pussy. That's a fair deal. Moreover, you offered her money and she rejected. Case is closed.

BrainDrain

03-29-18, 00:58

Sammon

03-29-18, 03:51

It is a trap! My guess is that after you remit the money with your full name and details, as required to send money within the Philippines, some friendly policemen were going to show up at your door. Why she did not take the 3 K for the fucking you ask? Well, for one, it would have blown her cover as normal girl traveling to a job abroad. Secondly, she was holding out for much larger "show money" anywhere from 15 K to 25 K. Thirdly, her accomplices were probably going to demand anywhere from 250 K to 500 K to make her charges against you go away.

You got lucky when you decided not to remit the 3 K and your details to complete the rest of the scam. She would have helped you pack for your extended stay a Bicutan Detention Center. You should be checked out and reading this post at a safe location. Returning to your place before payment of the transfer would have ruined whatever she had planned, as she would not have your details to past to her pals. In addition, she was hoping that you would be eager enough for an encore performance to think with your little head instead of the big one.I doubt if this is a scam. If she wants to involve police she would have done it already or someone else would have contacted demanding money. No need for details. Hotel already has the details if police wants it.

It puzzles me why she did not take money in the first place. Maybe her story is true that she needs to do some bank transfer for whatever reason. Maybe she is buying visa to Macau through some back channels. Maybe somebody is there to guarantee her stay. Who knows?

She does not need another encounter to cry '[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)' or extort. Sex has already happened. Money transfer happens plenty of times in Philippines. In fact the whole country is waiting at the money transfer places it seems like. Just because you send money to somebody you will not be locked up.

Goferring

03-29-18, 06:17

I doubt if this is a scam. If she wants to involve police she would have done it already or someone else would have contacted demanding money. No need for details. Hotel already has the details if police wants it.One thing I didn't emphasise in my original post was that she already knew where I was staying including the condo number. For all I know she could have looked over my shoulder and known the access code to open my front door as well.

She also knew that I was flying out at 2 am that night so, unless a SWAT Team came bursting through my door soon after payment, any "arrest" would have had to happen very publicly at the airport.

She does not need another encounter to cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or extort. Sex has already happened. Money transfer happens plenty of times in Philippines. In fact the whole country is waiting at the money transfer places it seems like. Just because you send money to somebody you will not be locked up.

And what would those charges be? You base your advice on "my guess".

Goferring doesn't mention anything immoral or illegal?
BD.Being a White Guy In the Wrong Place At The Wrong Time is a felony in most Asian countries. And the possible charges are many: Attempted [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), Assault, Deprivation of Liberty. The list goes on and regardless of if she had been paid or not it would have been my work against hers and the police.

It is a trap! My guess is that after you remit the money with your full name and details, as required to send money within the Philippines, some friendly policemen were going to show up at your door. Why she did not take the 3 K for the fucking you ask? Well, for one, it would have blown her cover as normal girl traveling to a job abroad. Secondly, she was holding out for much larger "show money" anywhere from 15 K to 25 K. Thirdly, her accomplices were probably going to demand anywhere from 250 K to 500 K to make her charges against you go away.As I said, I was more than happy to pay for services rendered. However, the thing that made me bail was that pretty much everything made no sense:

Good girls don't dive into bed with a stranger to not wake up their aunt.

Bad girls don't refuse payment for services rendered.

P3 k /$60 is no where near enough show money for a 30 day visa.

"I can't come now" and "Pay now, bang later" screams fraud.

Being totally calm when it all fell through made no sense to me at all. Most fraudsters get irate at the end to try to force the money to come through.

Its still all unclear to me exactly what was happening. There was definitely an attempt to get money from me. However, if it was simply trying to disguise a fee for service or a grand plan with 3rd parties to extort mega bucks, I'll never know. Luckily I flew out as scheduled that night and am now out of the country.

Red Kilt

03-29-18, 06:30

I used PL premium membership last time. Is FC or DIA any better?
Definitely Pinalove is the most effective in my opinion.

Activate your membership before you leave home and use the 1-month option. I suggest that if you are here for 2 weeks then activate 1 week before you leave; use up the 2 weeks while here and then you have 1 week for any follow-ups (if you wish).

Remember to turn OFF the auto-renew function once you are active so that it doesn't auto-renew after 1 month. You do it by going into "Settings" and just follow the prompts. It might look like you are cancelling your m / ship but all you are doing is cancelling the auto-renew.

Dg8787

03-29-18, 06:39

Sounds like to me you have doubts and regrets about not doing anything. I assume the amount of money involved wasn't much to you.

I personally do what my heart and brain decide together without regrets. Certainly don't care what someone else might say about it.

Tagalog2016

03-29-18, 07:29

Among their friends, they pride themselves on being "practical" in their dealing with foreigners. Yes, that is true! Pinays are used to discuss foreigners with their friends with utmost cynicism, taunts and jeers.

Most young pinays are quite childish, but some of them try to seem mature in front of old fair-skinned dudes. Nevertheless, they remain youngsters at heart, which completely reveals when they are among their compatriot peers. They laugh at baldness, beer belly, age, deeds, which seem funny according to their childish thinking and logics, etc.

They discuss everything, including number of fucks, mocking at 2 rounds per night, comparing to their pinoy BFs, who are capable to fuck 10 times per day.

But the most laughing stock for them is a foreigner himself. That is not an exaggeration, that they consider all foreign guys as walking ATMs, and they talk to each other about this matter with utmost cynicism and disrespect. Pinays think they are smart, but all foreigners are stupid. That is one of the reasons, why they scam and cheat so brazenly and without fear. They think, they will always get away with it.

The only thing, which they never discuss is the exact amount, which they managed to extract from their sponsors. I don't know the reason of that, but perhaps, they are scared, that their friends will ask for a loan (which they will never repay), if the amount seem too significant for them.

Actually, they discuss foreigners not just with their friends but with everyone from their environment: with colleagues, neighbors, relatives etc. And everyone is eager to give an advise, how to squeeze more money from foolish rich poriner. They want a foreigner to be useful not just for a girl, but for the entire community.

I think, that some gullible mongers, who prefer to behave like a noble generous knights even with low grade prostitutes, would reconsider their behavior a bit, if they heard, what those girls are used to talk about them.

Engine Driver

03-30-18, 02:22

Call Sign Papa and the now retired Skogis have had considerable success from exclusively using FB, PL, DIA and other dating sites for getting girls in Manila. As you would have read, this requires an enormous amount of research, planning and organisation to make it work. I think if you want to bang 6 girls in 3 days, you need to arrange about 20 in advance as most will be late or just won't show at all. There's also the issue of making bookings too early and the girl not taking the punter seriously. Many wait until they get into Manila first.

There are others that use a hybrid system, whereby they go to the bars in the event the girls arranged on site don't show. Then there those that don't have an online profile at all and purely rely on P4 P action from bars and massage parlours. I'm in the latter category. The main reason I avoid online dating sites is for security. I just can't afford to be discovered while searching on line at home or be recognised on the sites. I know most people have fake FB accounts and Skogis even had a fake photo (of someone who vaguely resembled him) on PL. But this doesn't get around the fact that your browsing can get discovered while at home from a carelessly left phone or iPad.

So I just cruise the bars and pay the bar fine and away I go. What method is best? Both work fine. Don't be perturbed if you don't have any online accounts. You aren't really missing anything. Not only do you need to strike up a conversation on line, you then need to convince the girl to meet. There is a very good chance the girl will flake out, even after agreeing. Pickups from bars is a guaranteed thing.

Cost wise, bar girls will be more expensive. Online hookups will require at least 2,000 PHP in taxi money for the girl to go away. But I think what punters find exciting with the online method is that it is more like a real date. So much is still unknown and there is a certain thrill to it. Collecting a hooker from a bar is very predictable, but it suits me.

Engine Driver

03-30-18, 02:32

In Thailand there is a closed group FB discussion site in the Thai language for girls to seek advice, compare notes or to check the credentials of western punters who appear on Thai Friendly, Tinder, FB and other sites. Non-working girls send in photos and bios of the guys and check if they're bona fide. Some girls are brutal in their assessment of the guys. Because it's in the Thai language, and is quite anti-west, it flies under the radar. Now if western punters had a similar site to compare Thai girls and share photos, I'm sure the SJWs at FB would have closed it down by now.

Is there anything similar in the Philippines?

Mogwai

03-30-18, 08:22

Engine Driver

03-30-18, 09:09

Do you know the name of this FB group?It's a long Thai name which translates to something like "The Sharing Of Information About And Experiences With Farang Guys".

Just put it into Google translate and start searching FB. It's to check whether foreign guys have pure intentions of love and marriage or whether they're just after free sex. It's a name and shame site.

I just wanted to know if their Pinay sisters have something similar in Tagalog. I don’t think Pinay girls are any dumber than Thai girls.

Goferring

03-30-18, 09:56

I just wanted to know if their Pinay sisters have something similar in Tagalog. I dont think Pinay girls are any dumber than Thai girls.Yes they do. I posted about it in my post about a PL girl's method of using the sites.

In short it's not one FB page but a series across FB, WA etc discussing the same topics you have mentioned.

Before you ask, A LOT of guys here expressed interest on how they appear on the site (s). Unfortunately she was happy to discuss it with me but would not give or show me the boards or their names. Not that it would have helped as I speak zero Tagalog or Visaya let alone Phil street slang.

Chocha Monger

03-30-18, 10:22

Yes, that is true! Pinays are used to discuss foreigners with their friends with utmost cynicism, taunts and jeers.

Most young pinays are quite childish, but some of them try to seem mature in front of old fair-skinned dudes. Nevertheless, they remain youngsters at heart, which completely reveals when they are among their compatriot peers. They laugh at baldness, beer belly, age, deeds, which seem funny according to their childish thinking and logics, etc.

They discuss everything, including number of fucks, mocking at 2 rounds per night, comparing to their pinoy BFs, who are capable to fuck 10 times per day..Pinays love to give foreigners nicknames based on their appearance and other characteristics. They call bald fellas "panot" or "kalbo"; potbellied fellas "malaking tiyan" (big belly) or "buntis" (pregnant); old fellas "malukot" (old man) or "lolo" (grandpa); smelly fellas are "mabantot" (stinky) or "mabaho" (rotten), and fellas not giving handouts are "kuripot" (stingy).

Pinays consider foreign mongers who can only muster two or three fucks per night as "mahina" (weak) or "malambot" (soft). They brag about their young Pinoy boyfriends belting out 10 to 12 fucks in a day. The girls are more impressed with the number of fucks and inseminations per day rather than the duration of each fuck. Western mongers mistakenly think that the Pinays are impressed with longer performances and multiple orgasms. In fact, they prefer multiple quickies throughout the day or night with only one or two orgasms if any, as they are not obsessed with reaching climax like Western women. Their living arrangements favor fast hard short fucks. The faster a man comes in their pussy, the more he loves and desires them. Long fucks make them insecure, as they wonder if they are not sexy and tight enough to make him come quick. Foreplay and cunnilingus are unnecessary delays, as Pinays are always wet from anticipation and recent deposits of semen.

Filipinas see foreign men as idiot walking-ATMs because they fly halfway around the world to pay for sex with exotic beauties. As far as Pinays are concerned, tall pale-skinned blonde-haired white women with and blue / green eyes are beautiful goddesses. They wonder why Western men pay thousands of dollars to leave such gorgeous women at home to come and pay for the privilege of fucking poor LBFMs. Therefore, the expat and sex tourist are objects of ridicule and undeserving of their respect. They are nothing more than sources of income for the entire country to exploit for what they often claim is a better life but really more Red Horse, cigarettes, and brand name cellphones. It is common for Filipinos to say, "Jackpot!" to girls accompanying their foreign walking-ATMs in public.

Tagalog2016

03-30-18, 16:33

The girls are more impressed with the number of fucks and inseminations per day rather than the duration of each fuck.I agree with everything, but I want to note that as soon as I know most pinoys get circumcised as a child. So duration of fuck shouldn't be an issue for them as well. They lose out westerners just in size of a dick, but clearly win in quantity of fucks, they are able to perform.

Tagalog2016

03-30-18, 16:43

The girls are more impressed with the number of fucks and inseminations per day rather than the duration of each fuck. As far as I know, sorry.

I agree with everything, but I want to note that as soon as I know most pinoys get circumcised as a child. So duration of fuck shouldn't be an issue for them as well. They lose out westerners just in size of a dick, but clearly win in quantity of fucks, they are able to perform.

Chocha Monger

03-31-18, 01:30

As far as I know, sorry.

I agree with everything, but I want to note that as soon as I know most pinoys get circumcised as a child. So duration of fuck shouldn't be an issue for them as well. They lose out westerners just in size of a dick, but clearly win in quantity of fucks, they are able to perform.The Pinoys have the stamina for long duration fucking, and engage in it as circumstances allow. However, long fucks are not a priority for them, at least among the younger crowd. In America, twenty-something years-old men often use Viagra recreationally to engage in marathon fucking, this does not appear to be a thing for Pinoys in the same age group. When the girls brag about their Pinoy boyfriends' sexual prowess, it is more often about number of fucks and hardness of the cock. Apparently, whatever they lack in size they make up for in hardness. The girls refer to this extraordinary hardness as "stone cock. " They love when the young skinny boyfriend fucks them hard with his "stone cock. " To illustrate their lust for very hard cocks, I have attached a photo of an actual polished stone cock proudly displayed by a provincial Pinay. So much for the shyness, they pretend to have around us.

Another reason young Pinays prefer short fucks has to do with their living arrangements. Most of them live with their family or extended relations, and privacy is fleeting. When fucking in the familial residence, Bush, or dorm, short time is best to avoid discovery during the act. Couples reserve long fucks for special occasions when a financial windfall allows them to book a room at a Sogo Hotel. Filipinos with relatively well-paid jobs and young mistresses are more likely to use hot sheet hotels on a regular basis.

Engine Driver

03-31-18, 04:48

Pinays love to give foreigners nicknames based on their appearance and other characteristics. They call bald fellas "panot" or "kalbo"; potbellied fellas "malaking tiyan" (big belly) or "buntis" (pregnant); old fellas "malukot" (old man) or "lolo" (grandpa); smelly fellas are "mabantot" (stinky) or "mabaho" (rotten), and fellas not giving handouts are "kuripot" (stingy).

Pinays consider foreign mongers who can only muster two or three fucks per night as "mahina" (weak) or "malambot" (soft). They brag about their young Pinoy boyfriends belting out 10 to 12 fucks in a day. The girls are more impressed with the number of fucks and inseminations per day rather than the duration of each fuck. Western mongers mistakenly think that the Pinays are impressed with longer performances and multiple orgasms. In fact, they prefer multiple quickies throughout the day or night with only one or two orgasms if any, as they are not obsessed with reaching climax like Western women. Their living arrangements favor fast hard short fucks. The faster a man comes in their pussy, the more he loves and desires them. Long fucks make them insecure, as they wonder if they are not sexy and tight enough to make him come quick. Foreplay and cunnilingus are unnecessary delays, as Pinays are always wet from anticipation and recent deposits of semen.

Filipinas see foreign men as idiot walking-ATMs because they fly halfway around the world to pay for sex with exotic beauties. As far as Pinays are concerned, tall pale-skinned blonde-haired white women with and blue / green eyes are beautiful goddesses. They wonder why Western men pay thousands of dollars to leave such gorgeous women at home to come and pay for the privilege of fucking poor LBFMs. Therefore, the expat and sex tourist are objects of ridicule and undeserving of their respect. They are nothing more than sources of income for the entire country to exploit for what they often claim is a better life but really more Red Horse, cigarettes, and brand name cellphones. It is common for Filipinos to say, "Jackpot!" to girls accompanying their foreign walking-ATMs in public.Then what do they think of the Koreans? Leaving their Gangnam princesses at home to chase Visayas farm girls must also be similarly stupid.

Mogwai

03-31-18, 07:45

Filipinas see foreign men as idiot walking-ATMs because they fly halfway around the world to pay for sex with exotic beauties.Men like you?

Tagalog2016

03-31-18, 11:59

Then what do they think of the Koreans? Leaving their Gangnam princesses at home to chase Visayas farm girls must also be similarly stupid.I think, that in general pinays consider Korean guys fools as well. It doesn't matter whether you are Dutch old man, or Korean, anyway you are a cash cow for them in the first place.

Some fellow mongers refuse to accept the obvious, but it doesn't change the real state of affairs. Perhaps, it hurts their male ego, that girls mock at them behind their back and consider them just rich talentless idiots, but well, that's life.

In regards of performance, Koreans should be closer to Pinoys. As far as I know, they also got circumcised, have similar size and are capable to fuck like rabbits. It could be both advantage or disadvantage for pinays. For example, one girl told me, that she doesn't like to accept LT with Koreans, since they are used to fuck nonstop all night long, which is kinda tiresome, whereas old Westerners with half limp dick doesn't bother her too much. She has time to chat her pinoy BF and has enough sleep. And opposite for horny pinays, Koreans could be more preferable.

Dg8787

03-31-18, 18:31

Men like you?You assume it is a man. So far it hasn't gotten any pussy. Sounds more like a wounded hurt scorned feline.

Chocha Monger

03-31-18, 20:41

I think, that in general pinays consider Korean guys fools as well. It doesn't matter whether you are Dutch old man, or Korean, anyway you are a cash cow for them in the first place.

Some fellow mongers refuse to accept the obvious, but it doesn't change the real state of affairs. Perhaps, it hurts their male ego, that girls mock at them behind their back and consider them just rich talentless idiots, but well, that's life.

In regards of performance, Koreans should be closer to Pinoys. As far as I know, they also got circumcised, have similar size and are capable to fuck like rabbits. It could be both advantage or disadvantage for pinays. For example, one girl told me, that she doesn't like to accept LT with Koreans, since they are used to fuck nonstop all night long, which is kinda tiresome, whereas old Westerners with half limp dick doesn't bother her too much. She has time to chat her pinoy BF and has enough sleep. And opposite for horny pinays, Koreans could be more preferable.I agree that nationality does not matter, as the girls only care about the money. Anyway, most of them think that Holland is in the United States. It is amazing given the time that they spend online hitting up easy marks that they have such little regard for geography. As long as it is a cash dispensing walking penis, whether it is an old Dutchman or Chinaman is of no consequence. The fellas want to believe that those young girls love them and truly think they are handsome studs. If that were true, they would not have to give the girls money to suck the wrinkles out their balls and the warts off their cocks. The truth is an elderly Dutchman is not going to get the warts sucked off his cock by an 18-year-old hot milkmaid in Rotterdam because she finds him handsome. If it happens, it will be for major money not love nor lust. Only the delusional think that the girls in the Philippines are somehow different and rearing to suck granddaddies' cocks because they are such charming and well-curated specimens.

A Pinay told me that Korean cocks are as hard as nails, and during a three-day stay in Subic, her Korean client fucked her so hard his cock tore her pussy. She had go to the emergency room to stop the bleeding and get stitches put in her pussy to repair the tear in vaginal wall. She swore that a big old half-limp Western cock on Viagra was easier to handle than a small but extremely hard and pointy Korean cock. She also mentioned that elderly Westerners fuck once or twice, dribble out some cum and sleep heavily for the rest of the night. On the other hand, Koreans were relentless fuck machines, and the girls can expect to be chicken fucked several times in a single night.

Some old Western mongers grieve for the halcyon days when they were not outcompeted by the younger fitter Korean mongers, as it is harder to delude themselves into thinking that the girls are actually attracted to them and it is not 100% business. The Pinays now want more money to fuck them and are less willing to keep up the GFE charade, as they run at the first opportunity. It is what it is.

Dg8787

04-01-18, 02:09

I agree that nationality does not matter, as the girls only care about the money. Anyway, most of them think that Holland is in the United States. It is amazing given the time that they spend online hitting up easy marks that they have such little regard for geography. As long as it is a cash dispensing walking penis, whether it is an old Dutchman or Chinaman is of no consequence. The fellas want to believe that those young girls love them and truly think they are handsome studs. If that were true, they would not have to give the girls money to suck the wrinkles out their balls and the warts off their cocks. The truth is an elderly Dutchman is not going to get the warts sucked off his cock by an 18-year-old hot milkmaid in Rotterdam because she finds him handsome. If it happens, it will be for major money not love nor lust. Only the delusional think that the girls in the Philippines are somehow different and rearing to suck granddaddies' cocks because they are such charming and well-curated specimens.

A Pinay told me that Korean cocks are as hard as nails, and during a three-day stay in Subic, her Korean client fucked her so hard his cock tore her pussy. She had go to the emergency room to stop the bleeding and get stitches put in her pussy to repair the tear in vaginal wall. She swore that a big old half-limp Western cock on Viagra was easier to handle than a small but extremely hard and pointy Korean cock. She also mentioned that elderly Westerners fuck once or twice, dribble out some cum and sleep heavily for the rest of the night. On the other hand, Koreans were relentless fuck machines, and the girls can expect to be chicken fucked several times in a single night.

Some old Western mongers grieve for the halcyon days when they were not outcompeted by the younger fitter Korean mongers, as it is harder to delude themselves into thinking that the girls are actually attracted to them and it is not 100% business. The Pinays now want more money to fuck them and are less willing to keep up the GFE charade, as they run at the first opportunity. It is what it is.These stiff and hard Kock tales should be told over cocktails!

Mogwai

04-01-18, 07:49

The truth is an elderly Dutchman is not going to get the warts sucked off his cock by an 18-year-old hot milkmaid in Rotterdam because she finds him handsome.If you're referring to The Milkmaid, the painting by Johannes Vermeer: he was from Delft, not Rotterdam.
Just one of many inaccuracies in your stories.

Mogwai

04-01-18, 08:05

You assume it is a man. So far it hasn't gotten any pussy. Sounds more like a wounded hurt scorned feline.I never thought of that! You might be right. An ugly feminist American dyke who can't get any pussy LOL.

Tagalog2016

04-01-18, 10:05

I agree that nationality does not matter, as the girls only care about the money. Anyway, most of them think that Holland is in the United States. It is amazing given the time that they spend online hitting up easy marks that they have such little regard for geography. As long as it is a cash dispensing walking penis, whether it is an old Dutchman or Chinaman is of no consequence. The fellas want to believe that those young girls love them and truly think they are handsome studs. If that were true, they would not have to give the girls money to suck the wrinkles out their balls and the warts off their cocks. The truth is an elderly Dutchman is not going to get the warts sucked off his cock by an 18-year-old hot milkmaid in Rotterdam because she finds him handsome. If it happens, it will be for major money not love nor lust. Only the delusional think that the girls in the Philippines are somehow different and rearing to suck granddaddies' cocks because they are such charming and well-curated specimens.One of the main reasons why elderly mongers come to the Philippines, is that pinays help them boost their ego at low cost. For them sex is not the goal in itself. How could it be a goal, if low libido at such age doesn't require more than a couple of fucks per week. Some of old mongers even have erectile dysfunction and are unable to fuck without vitamin V.

Psychologically speaking, being together with hot young girl, is a way to assert themselves, remove the stigma and get rid of the depression, caused by ageing. Simply put, it let them feel young again. They deliberately delude themselves, since it is always pleasant to fantasise, they are still males, who are capable to attract and satisfy females.

Of course they know the truth, but they don't like it, because it get them back to sad reality and make them feel miserable. When someone hits the nail on the head, it may cause irritation and frustration.

BrainDrain

04-02-18, 04:10

Of course they know the truth, but they don't like it, because it get them back to sad reality and make them feel miserable. When someone hits the nail on the head, it may cause irritation and frustration.It's been a while since I have bothered to read one of your posts. You really should stop talking and posting about things of which you have a limited knowledge. Stick to what you know.

BrainDrain

04-02-18, 04:14

So this forum is about Chatroom and PenPals, aka online romances and dating site techniques. How about we keep on topic?

Engine Driver

04-02-18, 04:52

If you're referring to The Milkmaid, the painting by Johannes Vermeer: he was from Delft, not Rotterdam.
Just one of many inaccuracies in your stories.To a Filipina, it's all American.

Mogwai

04-02-18, 08:25

Of course they know the truth, but they don't like it, because it get them back to sad reality and make them feel miserable. When someone hits the nail on the head, it may cause irritation and frustration.I guess hitting the nail on the head is difficult for a small child like you because you're not even close to the truth.
The same applies to CM, except that he is not a small child anymore but an old frustrated cynical retiree who made the big mistake of moving to the Phils after his retirement.

Khekada

04-04-18, 11:06

Brother,

It is really interesting to have sex 10 -12 times in a night. Do they ejaculate every time? Mine is way to low. After 3rd round in the night I am out of load.

The Pinoys have the stamina for long duration fucking, and engage in it as circumstances allow. However, long fucks are not a priority for them, at least among the younger crowd. In America, twenty-something years-old men often use Viagra recreationally to engage in marathon fucking, this does not appear to be a thing for Pinoys in the same age group. When the girls brag about their Pinoy boyfriends' sexual prowess, it is more often about number of fucks and hardness of the cock. Apparently, whatever they lack in size they make up for in hardness. The girls refer to this extraordinary hardness as "stone cock. " They love when the young skinny boyfriend fucks them hard with his "stone cock. " To illustrate their lust for very hard cocks, I have attached a photo of an actual polished stone cock proudly displayed by a provincial Pinay. So much for the shyness, they pretend to have around us.

Another reason young Pinays prefer short fucks has to do with their living arrangements. Most of them live with their family or extended relations, and privacy is fleeting. When fucking in the familial residence, Bush, or dorm, short time is best to avoid discovery during the act. Couples reserve long fucks for special occasions when a financial windfall allows them to book a room at a Sogo Hotel. Filipinos with relatively well-paid jobs and young mistresses are more likely to use hot sheet hotels on a regular basis.

Chocha Monger

04-04-18, 19:20

Brother,

It is really interesting to have sex 10 -12 times in a night. Do they ejaculate every time? Mine is way to low. After 3rd round in the night I am out of load.Khekada, you will have to do much better than 3 rounds a night if you want your Filipina girlfriend or wife to remain loyal to you. If you are out of load after a mere 3 rounds, I suggest you avoid alcohol and shun cigarettes. Here are some things you should be doing to increase your load:

Drink at least 2 to 3 liters of water each day, especially when prowling the hot streets hunting fuck meat.

Keep your balls cool, avoid sitting on hot surfaces and go commando or wear loose fitting underwear.

Never beat your meat.

Supplement your diet with a combination of zinc and folic acid.

Take amino acid supplements, specifically L-Arginine, L-Lysine or L-Carnitine.

Eat a plant-based diet with large amounts of antioxidant-rich fruits and vegetables.

Exercise your pubococcygeus muscles with Kegel exercises.

Practice good sleep hygiene.

This will help you increase your load so you can shoot pearl ropes more than 3 times a night. You may also want learn some tantric sex techniques to conserve your load during threesomes and foursomes. Remember the Filipino boyfriends are lean roosters 18 to 26-years-old. They have no problem belting out a half-score to a dozen cream pies in a night. This is the main reason why the majority of Pinays who fuck foreigners bareback still end up pregnant with a baby from their Pinoy boyfriend. If you do not want to look weak, you should not give the girls anything less than half-dozen cream pies in a night. However, if you are a strictly P4 P fella or primarily on a business trip with a full schedule, 3 loads a night with a bar girl before turning in for an early morning is not going to ruin your reputation.

Chocha Monger

04-04-18, 19:22

One of the main reasons why elderly mongers come to the Philippines, is that pinays help them boost their ego at low cost. For them sex is not the goal in itself. How could it be a goal, if low libido at such age doesn't require more than a couple of fucks per week. Some of old mongers even have erectile dysfunction and are unable to fuck without vitamin V..That is a good point. Western societies place a high value on youth and vitality. Westerners are obsessed with new things, new iPhones every year and, for those who can afford it or do not mind rolling over loans, new cars. Old men are not immune from being replaced with the newest version, at work and in personal relationships. As the recent spate of hot schoolmistresses banging schoolboys show, Western women prefer young studs.

After hitting 50 years of age, a man sexual function falls off a cliff. For those who drink alcohol excessively, chain smoke, and do not exercise, the affliction of a limp dick comes even faster. Approximately, 26% of men ages 50 to 59 will have a limp dick and another 40% will have a limp dick between ages 60 to 69.

https://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20030804/erectile-dysfunction-common-with-age

Therefore, most oldie mongers are not in the Philippines to fuck hard-bodied 18-21-years-old Pinays. It is more the cheap thrill and ego boost that comes from chatting with and performing cunnilingus on such girls. They cannot approach young women in their homeland without risking the label of "creepy old men" and possibly becoming the subject of a police report.

In fact, their own circle of family back home would disapprove of their sexual activities. Their families would probably wag fingers at grandpa while scolding him with terms like "dirty old man, pervert, sicko, and creepy. " They find the idea of grandpa greedily sucking fresh young Asiatic tits and twats utterly revolting. In the West, old men are not supposed to fuck, want to fuck or speak of fucking. The Philippines gives them a Neverland to escape to, where with a bit of help from Viagra they become Lost Boys chasing Tinker Bell. Unfortunately, some start believing that the illusions in Neverland are real and Tinker Bell really enjoys having fat old Lost Boys knock the fairy dust out of her.

Mogwai

04-05-18, 08:36

Tagalog2016

04-05-18, 10:48

Brother,

It is really interesting to have sex 10 -12 times in a night. Do they ejaculate every time? Mine is way to low. After 3rd round in the night I am out of load.
Brother,

Being out of load after 3 rounds is normal, even when you're still young. Don't believe the bullshit that ChochaMonger and some other trolls are posting.It's pretty normal for western guys, but that is not what young horny pinays get used to.

I agree with Chocha Monger, that you should adopt healthy lifestyle to be in your prime. Don't use Viagra, since you won't amaze your Filipina anyway, but can get psychological dependence on pills instead.

D Cups

04-05-18, 15:18

, you should not give the girls anything less than half-dozen cream pies in a night. However, if you are a strictly P4 P fella or primarily on a business trip with a full schedule, 3 loads a night with a bar girl before turning in for an early morning is not going to ruin your reputation.Sounds like false bravado to me, CM. Three times / night is standard for this 62 year old slightly overweight but still in good shape, beer loving, meat-eating, good looking, Viagra induced old goat. In addition to your suggested regimen I would recommend Peruvian maca root for jizz production. Works for me.

Chocha Monger

04-05-18, 20:03

It's pretty normal for western guys, but that is not what young horny pinays get used to.

I agree with Chocha Monger, that you should adopt healthy lifestyle to be in your prime. Don't use Viagra, since you won't amaze your Filipina anyway, but can get psychological dependence on pills instead.It might be normal for a 60-year-old out of shape Dutchman to be out of load after 3 fucks. However, I guarantee that the 18 to 26-year-old USA Marines, who rotate through AC every six months, are not out of load after 3 fucks with a Pinay. The bar girls know it all too well. The ones who do not like being fucked hard 8 to 12 times a night by a young buck with rippling abs and bulging biceps suddenly go on their period when those fellas enter the bar. At that age and level of fitness, it is common to stay hard after shooting a load and keep right on fucking without taking a breather.

Any monger who started fucking in his teens through twenties knows that 3 loads is just the warm up before the real fucking starts for a young man. Due to obesity and hormonal disorders, some fellas have limp dicks or can only manage 3 loads in a night during their twenties, but this is not normal. Having to rely on Viagra to get ones dick up is not normal. It is the result of years of cigarette smoking, alcoholism, bad diet, lack of exercise, and psychological disorders.

Old men experience low libidos and decreased sexual function. The volume of cum a man ejaculates decreases with age. Hence, it is normal for them to be three-shooters and take naps after they dribble out a load. However, just because an oldie shoots powder on his third round and is out of action for the next few days, does not mean this is normal for young healthy men without a potbelly.

In fact, there was Norwegian fella who dominated the photo gallery a few years ago. He was in his 40's and managed to shoot well in excess of 3 loads per day. He used to cream pie at least 6 Filipina pussies each day using a variety of social media to invite them to his hotel for a hard fuck. Therefore, if a fella in his 40's who was always drunk on vodka was able to cream pie at least 6 Filipina pussies, it should not be amazing that fit young Pinoys half his age can deliver double the number of loads.

X Man

04-05-18, 23:17

On PinayLove, I found several AC gals with photos taken at the same location. All are slim. One lady told me the photo was taken at a "friend's house". Anyone else notice this? I had planned to solve the mystery last month when I was in AC, but one gal flaked out on me and another suggested a 3 k fee. So, I didn't meet either of them.

Has anyone used the service connected to "loveme.com"? They do a great job of taking sexy pictures. Too good to be true?

Tagalog2016

04-06-18, 07:53

It might be normal for a 60-year-old out of shape Dutchman to be out of load after 3 fucks. However, I guarantee that the 18 to 26-year-old USA Marines, who rotate through AC every six months, are not out of load after 3 fucks with a Pinay. The bar girls know it all too well. The ones who do not like being fucked hard 8 to 12 times a night by a young buck with rippling abs and bulging biceps suddenly go on their period when those fellas enter the bar. At that age and level of fitness, it is common to stay hard after shooting a load and keep right on fucking without taking a breather.
Yes, you are right, that we have to take into consideration the age of a monger, when we talk about number of fucks, he is capable to perform. And indeed, for a young man in his prime 3 fucks per day is below the average result.

However as man gets older, he gradually loses his endurance, meaning that one day he is still capable to root incredibly hot girl 4-6 times, but he is unable to repeat his feat on the daily basis, as when he was young. The next stage is decrease of a maximum possible number of coitus, accompanied with decrease of a frequency of his needs for sex. And so on and so forth, ending with elderly perverts, who use artificial dick to fuck, or to be fucked by a young girl. LOL.

So when we talk in general about average Western man, without specifying the age, environment, and whether it was one-time feat, or what he is used to perform daily, 3 times per day is an average result for an average Western monger. In fact, an average number of fucks for a man who just fucks with his long term partner is significantly lower than such result for a man, who fucks multiple girls.

Of course young horny pinays are get used to fuck with their pinoy peers, who fuck like rabbits, so 3 times per day with Viagra powered oldie seem not enough for them. They are not going to give him any rebate for his age. If it's not enough for them, they won't bear, and will fuck with others.

Khekada

04-06-18, 11:51

Thnks brother for the detailed explanation and showing way to recover. Just to clarify, I am nearing 50 in age. (47 to be specific) a bit obsess but in general healthy man. I do not drink beer in loads and never smoke. By the term "Out of load" I mean, I can stay hard but can not ejaculate. Need a rest of few hours and Can go again. But considering your info on 10-12 shoots a night, it is way to low. I need to improve.

Regards.

That is a good point. Western societies place a high value on youth and vitality. Westerners are obsessed with new things, new iPhones every year and, for those who can afford it or do not mind rolling over loans, new cars. Old men are not immune from being replaced with the newest version, at work and in personal relationships. As the recent spate of hot schoolmistresses banging schoolboys show, Western women prefer young studs.

After hitting 50 years of age, a man sexual function falls off a cliff. For those who drink alcohol excessively, chain smoke, and do not exercise, the affliction of a limp dick comes even faster. Approximately, 26% of men ages 50 to 59 will have a limp dick and another 40% will have a limp dick between ages 60 to 69.

https://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20030804/erectile-dysfunction-common-with-age.

X Man

04-08-18, 03:57

Isn't there any better thread to move this to? You are basically communicating about men and how much they cum depending on age and whatever.

ISG is supposed to be about men enjoying women. And this thread is supposed to be about online chatting as a way to get women.

Please move this conversation somewhere more appropriate. X Man.

Chocha Monger

04-08-18, 17:18

Yes, you are right, that we have to take into consideration the age of a monger, when we talk about number of fucks, he is capable to perform. And indeed, for a young man in his prime 3 fucks per day is below the average result.

However as man gets older, he gradually loses his endurance, meaning that one day he is still capable to root incredibly hot girl 4-6 times, but he is unable to repeat his feat on the daily basis, as when he was young. The next stage is decrease of a maximum possible number of coitus, accompanied with decrease of a frequency of his needs for sex. And so on and so forth, ending with elderly perverts, who use artificial dick to fuck, or to be fucked by a young girl. LOL..Interestingly, not only the elderly perverts are into using artificial plastic cocks to fuck the girls. Many middle-aged men enslaved in dead end jobs with two weeks annual parole take to internet chat rooms and cam sites, where they pay Pinays to fuck themselves with plastic cocks, beer bottles, ripe bananas, eggplants, sea cucumbers and all manner of perverted things. The men rub one out all over their keyboards as they give the Pinays instructions on which hole to stick fruits, veggies, and artificial phalluses into for their amusement. There is an entire cottage industry worth billions of pesos built around this in the Philippines.

In fact, many of the hottest Pinays doing sex work online never meet foreign mongers in person. They make more money fucking themselves online with false cocks for the amusement of mongers who just want to send money and jerk off. Many of the chat room fellas do not have the financial resources to travel to the Philippines; some cannot fuck due to chronic medical conditions, while others suffer from severe social anxiety or agoraphobia. Many foreigners have recognized the lucrative nature of the industry catering to the needs of chat-room perverts who just want to show the girls their cocks as they whack off and talk dirty. LE caught several of these entrepreneurs running cam sites in the Philippines and the authorities gave them very stiff penalties. However, any Pinay with a smartphone and a social media account can get elderly and middle-aged perverts to pay her to fuck a banana on cam.

Then there are the fellas who travel with a bag of artificial dicks and lubricants meant for the girls to fuck them with, in a practice known as pegging. The girls ram vibrators up the old fellas' asses to massage their grapefruit-sized prostates and provoke an ejaculation.

Mango King

04-11-18, 04:36

Engine Driver

04-11-18, 06:51

I'm in cebu at a nice airbnb condo. There's a new security guard who is very cute and very doable, though I never mess with the staff at the hotel / condo I'm at. I have talked her up a bit just to be friendly. Well, last night I was heading out and out of the blue she wags her finger at me and says she saw me on PL. She's got a real mischievous smile on while she says it. I'm not pursuing it but it's a good reminder to be extra careful.

For example, one of my girls was chatting with this same security guard a few days prior while waiting for a taxi after seeing me. My girl tells me she is so happy that the guard told her she is the only girl she ever sees with me. That was before the guard saw me on PL of course.What does a security guard make? PHP 7,500 per month? No wonder she is after some western cock to supplement her income. She's seen how easy it is to hook a foreigner on PL and can't wait to try it herself. Grab her number and fuck her after you have checked into some place else. She will be grateful for the PHP 2,000 taxi money you slip into her fake Louis Vuitton purse.

Tagalog2016

04-11-18, 07:29

What does a security guard make? PHP 7,500 per month? No wonder she is after some western cock to supplement her income. She's seen how easy it is to hook a foreigner on PL and can't wait to try it herself. Grab her number and fuck her after you have checked into some place else. She will be grateful for the PHP 2,000 taxi money you slip into her fake Louis Vuitton purse.2000 pesos is too much. I think, that fellow mongers should never give more than P1500 to a girl from dating site, who resides in Metro Manila. Some of them are happy even with P1000. Actually, many girls from dating sites can be easily fucked for free, if you are not too old and can allow some time to court her.

Mango King

04-11-18, 10:56

What does a security guard make? PHP 7,500 per month? No wonder she is after some western cock to supplement her income. She's seen how easy it is to hook a foreigner on PL and can't wait to try it herself. Grab her number and fuck her after you have checked into some place else. She will be grateful for the PHP 2,000 taxi money you slip into her fake Louis Vuitton purse.If I had time I would. Fortunately I have a fully roster so don't need to go through the extra trouble. I also plan to come back to same condo in the future so best to avoid awkward looks when I bring a girl back next time.

X Man

04-12-18, 01:04

Had several online contacts in AC. I quickly lost interest in the pre-trip top two. One wanted a large sum of Pesos and another seemed happy with endless text messages. So it was a relief when one of the newer contacts came right out and said she wanted to meet me. No endless texting back and forth. She showed up as directed. I hadn't had much time to vet her so we went to a nearby coffee shop and had a chat. Apparently she works at one of the Clark sweatshops. She was doable and some light touching seemed to indicate she was game. After I paid my bill we went directly to my room. I never asked her if she would like to go to the room, but she never hesitated either. And by the time I had closed and locked the door she was relaxing on the bed.

Things progressed from there. If I had seen here in a bar in a bikini, I probably wouldn't have barfined her. But she was in my bed, not in a bikini bar. She had a good BJ technique. Later during MISH I asked her where I should cum. She said outside. I suggested the deposit be in her mouth and she agreed. I didn't expect that.

When the time came for said deposit to be expelled, I pulled out, got on my knees, and dangled my dangler in her face. At this point I expected her to squeeze her mouth and eyes shut and allow me to finish up on her chest and face. Wow, was I wrong. She raised her head up and engulfed the dangler fully in her mouth as I let off the first squirt. She hadn't gagged or flinched at all as I finally pulled out. Still on my knees above her, a few final drops ended up on her breasts. I reached over and grabbed a wad of tissue. I expected her to spit up into the tissue, but instead she wiped up the drops. Hmmm. I suggested a shower. As we walk into the bathroom I look at her and asked her if she had swallowed. She didn't reply, which of course answered my question. As I stepped into the shower she quietly spit my spunk into the sink. Priceless. You got to love a gal who has the good manners to treat your love juice with the respect it deserves.

Member #1088

04-15-18, 18:08

So, after being the flag waver for online P2 P I hit a snag when I arrived in Davao. Looking back I think I made two fundamental errors.

Day 1. Numerous "text me when you arrive" mysteriously vanished and I couldn't raise the dead. One target did take the bait and agree to come over at noon. She arrived and clearly the photos were 20 lb ago but no way was I crashing out two days in a row!! Back to the room and "I'm a good girl", talk, talk, talk, yap, yap, yap. Finally got to stuff something in her mouth to quieten her down. Thankfully, not a bad performer so that settled the nerves a little. She left with 1000 p taxi money.
How you break her (said to her) from ""I'm a good girl", talk, talk, talk, yap, yap, yap" and she start performing. What makes the deal to start to happen?

Member #1088

04-15-18, 18:12

Just always remember that the percentage of good honest Filipinos is really very very low. So you guys, shouldn't fool yourself regarding good pinays. Just be realistic and cynic and try to analyze your so called relationship soberly. 99 % of pinays are sl#ts and you should always keep that axiom in your mind, no matter what they do and how they behave. Anyway their final target is your money.

First of all if you are old and she is young don't expect any feelings from her side, no matter what she .......I might sound cynic, but that is how things go in Philippines. I don't mean, you should behave yourself like a trash with a girl. No way. Always be a man, stay gallant, polite and respectful. Just never give money to your pinay GF. It is a privilege for her to eat good food at a restaurant, to sleep at a good air conditioned room, to travel with you perhaps. That is more than enough. You let her feel princess, and she gives you her pussy. That is a deal between you and her, which is called "relationship".So far every single girl that I meet in DIA or pinalove, even the ones that said they wish only serious, they no need my money, they wish love not a bank, etc, once they delivered the goods in person or in cam, they start asking for money. Not limited to PH but also from India and Malaysia.

Goferring

04-15-18, 21:05

How you break her (said to her) from ""I'm a good girl", talk, talk, talk, yap, yap, yap" and she start performing. What makes the deal to start to happen?I don't remember that specific girl but generally I either sat next to her on the bed and kissed her and went from there. A couple I asked specifically if they were ok to have some "fun" while they were here.

I only had one knock back in once in the room which was detailed in my Part 2 Report. Sadly she was the hottest of my time in Davao.

Tagalog2016

04-16-18, 08:16

So far every single girl that I meet in DIA or pinalove, even the ones that said they wish only serious, they no need my money, they wish love not a bank, etc, once they delivered the goods in person or in cam, they start asking for money. Not limited to PH but also from India and Malaysia.That's a mindset of most Pinays, who search for a foreigner on a dating site. They desperately crave for your money, no matter what they say, or how they behave. That is their ultimate goal.

That is why you shouldn't take too seriously what they used to say about themselves. A girl, who says, she wants serious relationship only, will probably suck your dick and let you fuck her bareback on a first date. She clearly knows, that she can influence you through your cock. If she did it with you, she behaves like that with everyone, not to mention multiple local BFs, who fuck her for free. Would you want such a wife or girlfriend, who doesn't mind to get laid with a random stranger right away?

That said, sometimes you can get some information about a girl by self-description they post on a dating site.

If it's written, that she is "tired of lie and betrayal from western men", it should be read as some mongers banged her for free, whereas she expected them to pay for sex, or to provide her on a long term basis.

If she says, she is looking for older guy, since she is disappointed in younger guys, it means she is looking for sugar daddy sponsor solely, because no way any young girl would enjoy beer belly, flabby butt, grey hair, wrinkles and half limp dick.

When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children.

If a girl puts a picture where she is swimming in the hotel's swimming pool, or you can see any upscale decorations on the background of a picture, such photos most probably were taken in a foreigner's place. It means, she is not a newbie in dealing with western mongers.

Girls, who don't mention serious relationship, or love in their self-description, or put their phone number / skype ID, etc, are freelance prostitutes, who expect to be paid right after sex, so you could negotiate her fee without further ado.

Some say, they are "genuine woman", which mean they obviously look like ladyboys and are often asked to prove their gender.

Phrase "accept me as I am" means she used to cheat guys, or she has Pinoy husband, but anyway she wants to find a fool, who will tolerate this BS and will provide her, despite she is a trash.

Words "love is priceless", "I want to find a guy, who will love only me" refer to a man solely, but it doesn't mean, that she is going to be faithful to him in return.

One of the most weird and frequently used phrases is "I am simple person", which most often is used to describe their financial situation. "Simple" means "broke" in such context. Sometimes they combine word "simple" with incompatible phrases within the meaning. For example, "I am a simple girl, who likes traveling". It means, I am a pauper girl, but if someone will invite me to join him within his holiday, I am not against to wake him up by sucking his dick every single morning, if he will pay for a journey.

Member #1088

04-16-18, 20:37

That's a mindset of most Pinays, who search for a foreigner on a dating site. They desperately crave for your money, no matter what they say, or how they behave. That is their ultimate goal.

That is why you shouldn't take too seriously what they used to say about themselves. A girl, who says, she wants serious relationship only, will probably suck your dick and let you fuck her bareback on a first date. She clearly knows, that she can influence you through your cock. If she did it with you, she behaves like that with everyone, not to mention multiple local BFs, who fuck her for free. Would you want such a wife or girlfriend, who doesn't mind to get laid with a random stranger right away?

That said, sometimes you can get some information about a girl by self-description they post on a dating site.

If it's written, that she is "tired of lie and betrayal from western men", it should be read as some mongers banged her for free, whereas she expected them to pay for sex, or to provide her on a long term basis.

If she says, she is looking for older guy, since she is disappointed in younger guys, it means she is looking for sugar daddy sponsor solely, because no way any young girl would enjoy beer belly, flabby butt, grey hair, wrinkles and half limp dick.

When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children.

If a girl puts a picture where she is swimming in the hotel's swimming pool, or you can see any upscale decorations on the background of a picture, such photos most probably were taken in a foreigner's place. It means, she is not a newbie in dealing with western mongers.

Girls, who don't mention serious relationship, or love in their self-description, or put their phone number / skype ID, etc, are freelance prostitutes, who expect to be paid right after sex, so you could negotiate her fee without further ado.

Some say, they are "genuine woman", which mean they obviously look like ladyboys and are often asked to prove their gender.

Phrase "accept me as I am" means she used to cheat guys, or she has Pinoy husband, but anyway she wants to find a fool, who will tolerate this BS and will provide her, despite she is a trash.

Words "love is priceless", "I want to find a guy, who will love only me" refer to a man solely, but it doesn't mean, that she is going to be faithful to him in return.

One of the most weird and frequently used phrases is "I am simple person", which most often is used to describe their financial situation. "Simple" means "broke" in such context. Sometimes they combine word "simple" with incompatible phrases within the meaning. For example, "I am a simple girl, who likes traveling". It means, I am a pauper girl, but if someone will invite me to join him within his holiday, I am not against to wake him up by sucking his dick every single morning, if he will pay for a journey.At less she is honest with her goal and purpose.

https://www.pinalove.com/AshleyForYou2018

Sammon

04-16-18, 21:43

BrainDrain

04-17-18, 03:49

That's a mindset of most Pinays, who search for a foreigner on a dating site. They desperately crave for your money, no matter what they say, or how they behave. That is their ultimate goal.Your posts and rants are becoming kind of boring and repetitive. Your text reads that you are disgruntled and jealous that these girls are able to get our money so easily, yet pinoy cannot enjoy our cash....filipino men have very little to offer.

You may not understand that it is our hard earned money and we can choose to spend it how we like.

The money that we spend to satisfy ourselves by having a cute filipina to pleasure us, that money wouldn't even buy us a cup of coffee in our home country. If the girl suits me, I'm happy to pay her. Whether she has a fiipina BF for free I don't care.

The biggest advantage that foreign mongers have is spare cash plus an option to live here or leave. We come from the land of plenty.

If we like a deal we pay it. If not, Next.

BD.

Mr Enternational

04-17-18, 06:03

Amjeck

04-17-18, 06:15

That's a mindset of most Pinays, who search for a foreigner on a dating site. They desperately crave for your money, no matter what they say, or how they behave. That is their ultimate goal.

That is why you shouldn't take too seriously what they used to say about themselves. A girl, who says, she wants serious relationship only, will probably suck your dick and let you fuck her bareback on a first date. She clearly knows, that she can influence you through your cock. If she did it with you, she behaves like that with everyone, not to mention multiple local BFs, who fuck her for free. Would you want such a wife or girlfriend, who doesn't mind to get laid with a random stranger right away?

That said, sometimes you can get some information about a girl by self-description they post on a dating site.

If it's written, that she is "tired of lie and betrayal from western men", it should be read as some mongers banged her for free, whereas she expected them to pay for sex, or to provide her on a long term basis.

If she says, she is looking for older guy, since she is disappointed in younger guys, it means she is looking for sugar daddy sponsor solely, because no way any young girl would enjoy beer belly, flabby butt, grey hair, wrinkles and half limp dick.

When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children.

If a girl puts a picture where she is swimming in the hotel's swimming pool, or you can see any upscale decorations on the background of a picture, such photos most probably were taken in a foreigner's place. It means, she is not a newbie in dealing with western mongers.

Girls, who don't mention serious relationship, or love in their self-description, or put their phone number / skype ID, etc, are freelance prostitutes, who expect to be paid right after sex, so you could negotiate her fee without further ado.

Some say, they are "genuine woman", which mean they obviously look like ladyboys and are often asked to prove their gender.

Phrase "accept me as I am" means she used to cheat guys, or she has Pinoy husband, but anyway she wants to find a fool, who will tolerate this BS and will provide her, despite she is a trash.

Words "love is priceless", "I want to find a guy, who will love only me" refer to a man solely, but it doesn't mean, that she is going to be faithful to him in return.

One of the most weird and frequently used phrases is "I am simple person", which most often is used to describe their financial situation. "Simple" means "broke" in such context. Sometimes they combine word "simple" with incompatible phrases within the meaning. For example, "I am a simple girl, who likes traveling". It means, I am a pauper girl, but if someone will invite me to join him within his holiday, I am not against to wake him up by sucking his dick every single morning, if he will pay for a journey.Brilliant post! A lot of wisdom here.

I love this one:

"When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children. ".

Mogwai

04-17-18, 07:42

Brilliant post! A lot of wisdom here.

I love this one:

"When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children. ".Hmm, yeah. The same 'sane' Pinoys that have knocked up girls themselves and left them.

Mogwai

04-17-18, 07:55

Phrase "accept me as I am" means she used to cheat guys, or she has Pinoy husband, but anyway she wants to find a fool, who will tolerate this BS and will provide her, despite she is a trash.
"Accept me as I am" is often used by ladyboys.

Red Kilt

04-17-18, 11:12

<SNIP>
If a girl puts a picture where she is swimming in the hotel's swimming pool, or you can see any upscale decorations on the background of a picture, such photos most probably were taken in a foreigner's place. It means, she is not a newbie in dealing with western mongers.
I know you said "probably" in your definitive statement, but this need not mean the photos were taken "in a foreigner's place".

I was recently a co-presenter in a forum at which a senior tourist official stated that more than 80% of annual tourism data involved local filipinos travelling. Less than 20% of hotel occupancies in the Philippines were foreigners.

I travel regularly around the Philippines for business and in virtually EVERY hotel, the overwhelming numbers of people at breakfast are filipinos. Recently at a major hotel in Baguio I was the ONLY foreigner in a packed breakfast room. In Marco Polo hotel (a 5-star hotel) in Davao in January, I went for a swim at 6 pm on a Tuesday evening and the pool was filled with filipino families.

Check out this excerpt from the Inquirer today, April 17,2018.

"The thriving domestic tourism, fueled by millennial spending and the growing popularity of staycations helps sustain hotel occupancy in Metro Manila. This compels developers to build more three- and four-star hotels in Metro Manila and other urban areas outside the capital, Bondoc said.

Colliers said the growth in domestic tourism is being fueled by millennials with Filipinos aged 15 to 34 accounting for more than half of the 42.1 million domestic travelers recorded from April to September 2016. Citing figures from the DOT, Colliers said local travelers made a total of 91.2 million trips during the period under review".

You can extrapolate from this narrative that photos of a pinay in a hotel or hotel pool need not necessarily mean that she has been in a "foreigner's place". Millennials alone account for around half of the domestic tourism market.

BobLou

04-17-18, 11:23

20% of hotel occupancy by foreigners is a really big thing for any country in the world.

I know you said "probably" in your definitive statement, but this need not mean the photos were taken "in a foreigner's place".

I was recently a co-presenter in a forum at which a senior tourist official stated that more than 80% of annual tourism data involved local filipinos travelling. Less than 20% of hotel occupancies in the Philippines were foreigners.

I travel regularly around the Philippines for business and in virtually every hotel, the overwhelming numbers of people at breakfast are Filipinos. Recently at a major hotel in Baguio I was the only foreigner in a packed breakfast room. In Marco Polo hotel (a 5-star hotel) in Davao in January, I went for a swim at 6 pm on a Tuesday evening and the pool was filled with Filipino families.

Check out this excerpt from the Inquirer today, April 17,2018.

"The thriving domestic tourism, fuelled by millennial spending and the growing popularity of staycations helps sustain hotel occupancy in Metro Manila. This compels developers to build more three- and four-star hotels in Metro Manila and other urban areas outside the capital, Bondoc said.

Colliers said the growth in domestic tourism is being fuelled by millennials with Filipinos aged 15 to 34 accounting for more than half of the 42.1 million domestic travelers recorded from April to September 2016. Citing figures from the DOT, Colliers said local travelers made a total of 91.2 million trips during the period under review".

You can extrapolate from this narrative that photos of a pinay in a hotel or hotel pool need not necessarily mean that she has been in a "foreigner's place". Millennials alone account for around half of the domestic tourism market.

Mr Enternational

04-17-18, 11:55

I know you said "probably" in your definitive statement, but this need not mean the photos were taken "in a foreigner's place".

I was recently a co-presenter in a forum at which a senior tourist official stated that more than 80% of annual tourism data involved local filipinos travelling. Less than 20% of hotel occupancies in the Philippines were foreigners.I would agree with this, however it is also important to add that this is not the demograpic that we are dealing with on Date in Asia, etc. Most of those chicks can't afford transportation to your hotel, much less traveling and staying at a fancy place. When traveling around PI most locals that I see at breakfast in the hotels are older couples, not 20 year olds chicks by themselves as depicted in said photos. Easy enough mystery to solve though if she can produce photos of her with her friends at the same location. You know they always take group pics when they are with friends. No group pics? Yeah I vote that she was with the foreigner!

Tagalog2016

04-17-18, 12:08

You can extrapolate from this narrative that photos of a pinay in a hotel or hotel pool need not necessarily mean that she has been in a "foreigner's place". Millennials alone account for around half of the domestic tourism market.I agree, that Filipinos do travel a lot, and that is indisputable fact. However, I would say, that the majority of girls from dating sites belong to a lower social class, who either can't afford to travel at all, or at least can't afford fancy hotels with swimming pools and beachside locations.

Of course some of them still travel, but they mostly do it local style, when they stay at their friend's, or relative's houses, or choose low end hotels, such as dormitories, or when 4 persons stay at one room, etc. So I still think my observation is relevant.

Also you mentioned Filipino families, and that is truth, that most of well off Pinoys prefer to travel with families. When you spot occasional small group of single young Pinays at high class hotel, they are most probably sent there by their long distance old foreign sponsors, who can't join them in person for some reason.

"Accept me as I am" is often used by ladyboys.Yes, also it can mean, that he is ladyboy. I just mentioned first things, that came into my mind and my list is far from complete.

Red Kilt

04-17-18, 14:18

I would agree with this, however it is also important to add that this is not the demograpic that we are dealing with on Date in Asia, etc. Most of those chicks can't afford transportation to your hotel, much less traveling and staying at a fancy place. When traveling around PI most locals that I see at breakfast in the hotels are older couples, not 20 year olds chicks by themselves as depicted in said photos. Easy enough mystery to solve though if she can produce photos of her with her friends at the same location. You know they always take group pics when they are with friends. No group pics? Yeah I vote that she was with the foreigner!I agree with your theory Mr E but the OP was giving a sure-fire way to deduce if a girl was a P4P
and he suggested that you could tell from the background in her pics. I suggested that this is NOT a fail-safe system.

My post listed the statistic that 50% of domestic travellers are those aged 15 - 34 which is very much within the age range most mongers are pursuing (18 yo notwithstanding of course). There is a large group of millennials in the work force (especially the call center group) who have disposable income to afford weekend trips (especially when they stay 4 and 5 to a room). Whilst many of the DIA / Pinalove crew may not have much income, I am sure there is a sizeable group on these chat sites who can afford it.

My bottom line: A photo of a girl swimming in a pool or in otherwise nice hotel surroundings does not automatically mean that she is there with a foreigner.

Dg8787

04-17-18, 15:45

Your posts and rants are becoming kind of boring and repetitive. Your text reads that you are disgruntled and jealous that these girls are able to get our money so easily, yet pinoy cannot enjoy our cash....filipino men have very little to offer.

You may not understand that it is our hard earned money and we can choose to spend it how we like.

The money that we spend to satisfy ourselves by having a cute filipina to pleasure us, that money wouldn't even buy us a cup of coffee in our home country. If the girl suits me, I'm happy to pay her. Whether she has a fiipina BF for free I don't care.

The biggest advantage that foreign mongers have is spare cash plus an option to live here or leave. We come from the land of plenty.

If we like a deal we pay it. If not, Next.

BD.One more negative Nellie in Philly. LOL. BD you are so right. There are us who enjoy what PH has to offer and spend our money as we please. As I have said, if you didn't help me make my money then don't tell me how to spend my money.

Chocha Monger

04-17-18, 16:47

I agree, that Filipinos do travel a lot, and that is indisputable fact. However, I would say, that the majority of girls from dating sites belong to a lower social class, who either can't afford to travel at all, or at least can't afford fancy hotels with swimming pools and beachside locations.

Of course some of them still travel, but they mostly do it local style, when they stay at their friend's, or relative's houses, or choose low end hotels, such as dormitories, or when 4 persons stay at one room, etc. So I still think my observation is relevant.

Also you mentioned Filipino families, and that is truth, that most of well off Pinoys prefer to travel with families. When you spot occasional small group of single young Pinays at high class hotel, they are most probably sent there by their long distance old foreign sponsors, who can't join them in person for some reason.Usually the old foreign sponsor is unaware that the girl spent his money on hotel rooms, as the girl told him the money was for college tuition, medical expenses, natural disaster recovery, feeding starving family, etc. The girls working the dating sites are invariably trash looking to get money from foreigners. Some will show up and fuck the foreigner in his hotel first to influence him through his penis, as they can get much more out of him that way. Other girls are standoff con artists, they persuade the old foreigner to send them money, as they are in an imaginary long-distance relationship. Many of these old love scam victims arrive at the international airport to find that their online girlfriend stood them up and no longer responds to their texts and calls. Some years ago, a Frenchman went bananas when his long-distance Filipina sweetheart left him with a hard on and bouquet of roses at NAIA, and airport authorities had to tranquilize him to put an end to his rampage.

https://loyaltylobby.com/2016/04/29/frenchman-goes-berserk-at-manila-airport-after-girlfriend-doesnt-pick-him-up-gets-sedated-by-airport-personell/

Of course, many of the lecherous geezers deserve what they get and their misadventures are the source of humorous news reports. As the Filipino elite says, foreign countries are not exactly sending their best people to the Philippines. Cebu Rep. Gwendolyn Garcia said, "foreigners landing in the Philippines to marry Filipino women turn out to be vagabonds or social and moral derelicts in their own country. " LOL! Therefore, mongers defending Pinays and their shenanigans should be aware that the girls do not think highly of them and consider them social and moral rejects from their own countries good only for use as cash dispensing walking penises.

X Man

04-17-18, 22:31

Chocha Monger

04-17-18, 23:34

Yes, you are absolutely right. Numbers are shocking, but that is sad reality. For some mongers it may be a blow to their ego to realize, that an average twenty something working girl is in fact nothing more than an overused hole, banged by 1000 dicks.

Specificities of anatomy of Asian women allow many Pinays to remain tight for years or even decades, which can give an impression, that a girl is just lightly used.

I think, that your calculations are very reasonable, and a simple mathematics in such case is the most credible evidence.Some mongers get a serious haemorrhoid flare up at any suggestion that the hookers in AC have high cock mileage on their pussies because they perform cunnilingus on them. Many mongers in AC are of advanced age and in poor health. Naturally, they have limp to half-limp cocks beyond salvation from the resurrecting powers of Viagra. In such situations, tongue must take the place of cock in the pussy hole. The old fellows make love to their prostitutes using their teeth and tongues on well-worn pussies like bloated leeches. The last thing they want to think of is the 1,000 cocks that pounded and squirted cum into that pussy hole before they sucked and licked it clean. While the realization that they are sucking on a cum and cock receptacle may ruin these fine fellows fantasies, it does not change the reality of the thing.

Interestingly, the elderly fanatics of Pinay prostitutes do not seem to extend their commiseration and adoration to the prostitutes in their homelands, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, etc. For some odd reason, they believe the prostitutes in the Philippines are different, not hungry for money, and love sucking old balls. In addition, when Pinay hookers rip them off, some fellas tip them more money for the experience then brag about it as though they enjoy playing doormat for hookers.

Member #1088

04-18-18, 00:17

"Accept me as I am" is often used by ladyboys.I seen this in some that are not ladyboys, so I ask them if they are assassins, martians, ninja or ladyboy, that seen to break the ice, they would admit to being ladyboy or that are not. One girl in cam who wsa very shy, she told I need to accept she was shy, 1 HR later, she was showing me all I will get when I get there, LOL LOL LOL.

Socker

04-18-18, 02:40

Some mongers get a serious haemorrhoid flare up at any suggestion that the hookers in AC have high cock mileage on their pussies because they perform cunnilingus on them. Many mongers in AC are of advanced age and in poor health. Naturally, they have limp to half-limp cocks beyond salvation from the resurrecting powers of Viagra. In such situations, tongue must take the place of cock in the pussy hole. The old fellows make love to their prostitutes using their teeth and tongues on well-worn pussies like bloated leeches. The last thing they want to think of is the 1,000 cocks that pounded and squirted cum into that pussy hole before they sucked and licked it clean. While the realization that they are sucking on a cum and cock receptacle may ruin these fine fellows fantasies, it does not change the reality of the thing.

Interestingly, the elderly fanatics of Pinay prostitutes do not seem to extend their commiseration and adoration to the prostitutes in their homelands, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, etc. For some odd reason, they believe the prostitutes in the Philippines are different, not hungry for money, and love sucking old balls. In addition, when Pinay hookers rip them off, some fellas tip them more money for the experience then brag about it as though they enjoy playing doormat for hookers.That's this guy's forte. He stands on the sidelines putting forth his negative ruminations about people he knows nothing of. Who gives a fuck what old nice guys do w their hookers!

He has an adoring fan base here which for me is inexplicable. How can any one swallow his constant pessimism?

Sxxxx

04-18-18, 04:46

Statistically, the majority of Filipinos come from a "lower social class", so your point is a bit meaningless. .....................Especially when the Mongers themselves are nothing special, LOL.

Tagalog2016

04-18-18, 06:47

Statistically, the majority of Filipinos come from a "lower social class", so your point is a bit meaningless. I know a lady who lives in a rundown house on Mactan and works in a sweatshop. Her FB picture shows her at the ShangriLa. Why? Well, one of her relatives who lives overseas is in town visiting.

As for the other "low class" Filipinas on the sns sites, I've dated a dentist, an accountant, a government official, several teachers, a lady working in television (behind the cameras) and of course several of the ubiquitous call center gals.

Tag, since you are so generous with your generalized opinions, why don't you write up some of your own experiences?Of course there are some exceptions, and your example could be considered so. Same chance, it could be just a fiction. You asked her, what did she do at upscale hotel, and she lied you in return, that she visited her relative there. Unless, you joined her in person visiting her relative in Shangri La, you can't assert she told you the truth. LOL.

Once I asked one girl, whom I didn't see for a long time, about her picture, taken at a fancy restaurant. She was holding a glass of a red wine there. She said, it was taken during her meeting with her friends. I said, "Really? I never knew you became a wine connoisseur. As far as I remember, you didn't drink booze at all". And then she confessed, it was a date with a foreigner, and still she lied, "It was just a dinner. We didn't have sex."

Another example, when a jealous young Italian guy bombarded me with hateful texts, when he noticed my wrist watch, laying on the nightstand in her picture, taken at the hotel in Malapascua island. She was so stupid to blame it on me, and at the same time begged me not to tell the truth to him. LOL.

As for teachers, call center girls, and television staff, you don't understand the reality of Philippines.

Call center girls in Makati earn, on average, from P15000 to P18000.

Teacher depends on qualification and type of school earns around P20000 per month.

Newspaper editors have a salary around P25000. I think same level television staff earn about the same.

If a girl has relatives who live in Quezon city, Taguig or Pasig, then she is a lucky one. But if they live somewhere in Calamba or Binangonan, she can't find a decent job close by. You should also bear in mind, that a lot of girls, who come to Manila from province, have no where to live at all.

A bed space in shared room in Makati costs starting from P6000 per month. A separate room starts from P8000. Could such girls afford Shangri La hotel? Of course not. Some of them manage to travel with a help of extra money they get from prostitution. But they travel on a budget and choose cheapest accommodation available.

Mogwai

04-18-18, 08:46

That is true. By the time girls come to AC, they are mostly seasoned hookers, who were fucked by hundreds of local dicks in their previous living place. Some mongers are confused, that some young girls look shy and inexperienced in regards of communication, which make them feel, girls don't have much experience with men in bed either. But that is not so. Lack of life experience has nothing to do with their sexual experience. It is ridiculous to think, that she was a good girl, living at her her province, and she suddenly changed her approach to life just when she got to Angeles. Moreover, I would dare to say, that those hookers who behave professionally with their clients already, were drilled by at least 1000 dicks, or more by that time.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Numbers are shocking, but that is sad reality. For some mongers it may be a blow to their ego to realize, that an average twenty something working girl is in fact nothing more than an overused hole, banged by 1000 dicks.That an average twenty something working girl has been banged by 1000 dicks is indeed plausible. However in your original post (quoted above) you claimed that BY THE TIME GIRLS COME TO AC they are mostly seasoned hookers who already had 1000 dicks or more.

I think we all know that is BS. Quite a lot of girls might have had 1000 times sex with (a) boyfriend(s), but sex with 1000 men (1000 different dicks) is a completely different story.

Tagalog2016

04-18-18, 08:48

Of course, many of the lecherous geezers deserve what they get and their misadventures are the source of humorous news reports. As the Filipino elite says, foreign countries are not exactly sending their best people to the Philippines. Cebu Rep. Gwendolyn Garcia said, "foreigners landing in the Philippines to marry Filipino women turn out to be vagabonds or social and moral derelicts in their own country. " LOL! Therefore, mongers defending Pinays and their shenanigans should be aware that the girls do not think highly of them and consider them social and moral rejects from their own countries good only for use as cash dispensing walking penises.Yes, that is truth! Unlike the popular myth about superiority of Westerners in the eyes of Filipinos, which some mongers believe in, many Pinays consider foreigners losers and rejects in their home country. In their logic, mongers come to Philippines because they are not in demand at motherland.

Actually, many Pinays have some complexes regarding their appearance. Dark skin is considered a sign of poverty. That is why they try to expose their skin to sunlight as less, as possible. Fair skin is the ideal of feminine beauty for them. They don't understand short term foreign holidaymakers, who are so keen to sunbathe, since it makes their skin red and ugly.

A lot of Filipinas are embarrassed about their noses, facial warts and pimples. Some of them are ashamed of their low height, dark kilikili (armpits) and dark singit (groin). Crooked teeth is another reason of embarrassment, and by the way dental braces are considered as attribute of wealth. It is something like a ring or necklace for Pinays. They don't understand, that they look ugly wearing braces. LOL.

I am saying all of this to make it more clear, that Filipinas don't consider themselves superstars. That is why foreigners chasing them sometimes are associated with losers who are simply incapable to attract a decent western woman.

Tagalog2016

04-18-18, 10:13

That an average twenty something working girl has been banged by 1000 dicks is indeed plausible. However in your original post (quoted above) you claimed that BY THE TIME GIRLS COME TO AC they are mostly seasoned hookers who already had 1000 dicks or more.
You misread the word. I wrote "hundreds", which means "100's", not "1000".

Indeed, by the time girls come to AC, they can be considered seasoned hookers, because they have hundreds of dicks mileage on the clock.

Pinoys don't dine and wine them before to fuck, nor they choose a LT. Thus, a girl can accommodate 10 men and more per day. Here simple mathematics applies as well. They can score hundred of dicks in less than one month.

Even if Pinay worked as a freelancer in her home province and was fucked by just only 10 Pinoys per month, she still can exceed 100 dicks bar within one year.

Tagalog2016

04-18-18, 13:25

Interestingly, the elderly fanatics of Pinay prostitutes do not seem to extend their commiseration and adoration to the prostitutes in their homelands, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, etc. For some odd reason, they believe the prostitutes in the Philippines are different, not hungry for money, and love sucking old balls. In addition, when Pinay hookers rip them off, some fellas tip them more money for the experience then brag about it as though they enjoy playing doormat for hookers.I think, that the reason of that is Filipino mentality, which somehow combines incompatible. Lack of morality, greediness, slyness and dishonesty are contrasted with childlike innocence, simplicity and seeming credibility in amorous affairs. That is why it could be hard to assess a girl properly. Some older mongers deliberately let Pinays to fool them. For them it's like a game with a child, who is weaker, less smart and less experienced. It's like a grown-up gives a child head start to enable to play on the same level.

However, such mongers overestimate own skills and underestimate essence of Filipinas. They think, it was just an adventure with slightly shifty, yet rather good young woman. They consider, they ought to behave like a gentleman with those girls to leave an impression of lavish, wise and kind man. And what is most important they don't feel themselves a victim in this game, because in return to their courting and generosity, they got a main prize. Tight young pussy, as well as GFE.

From the outside it looks slightly different. Prostitutes with overused holes, banged by 1000 dicks, shamelessly scam old dudes. They have zero respect and zero compassion to foreigners. They pretend to be sweet and don't mind to suck limp dicks to extract as much money as possible. They laugh at such mongers, who tip them more money, or give presents just because she said "yours is so big", "you are so handsome", or "lab you, honey".

The thing is both parties are happy. Did everyone get what he / she wanted to get? Yes. Does such type of mongers look moronic? Of course.

Mr Enternational

04-18-18, 15:16

That an average twenty something working girl has been banged by 1000 dicks is indeed plausible. However in your original post (quoted above) you claimed that BY THE TIME GIRLS COME TO AC they are mostly seasoned hookers who already had 1000 dicks or more.Why is this even an argument? They are hookers and they fuck for a living. That is, they fuck to earn money to feed themselves and their families. She gets paid by the dick, not by the hour. She would have to be one shitty hooker if she hasn't had 1000 dicks.

And what is this shit with guys having to have new hookers? In any other business or service relationship you go in looking for the person that you are sure knows what the fuck they are doing. Nobody goes to a mechanic shop looking for the guy that has only done 3 tune-ups. Nobody goes to a lawyers office looking for an attorney that just got out of law school. Yet you go into a prostitution den looking for a chick that just got into the business, then complain when she doesn't know what she is doing, is a starfish, or she is a runner. Give me a fucking break. I guess it is all in the fantasy though, to have a neophyte hooker that has experience.

The fact of the matter is if the chick is new then she is not going to know what she is doing. If she does, then she ain't really new at this. But I guess it helps feed your ego to trick yourself into thinking that yours is only the fourth dick that a prostitute has had.

Member #4698

04-18-18, 20:59

And what is this shit with guys having to have new hookers? In any other business or service relationship you go in looking for the person that you are sure knows what the fuck they are doing. Nobody goes to a mechanic shop looking for the guy that has only done 3 tune-ups. Nobody goes to a lawyers office looking for an attorney that just got out of law school. Yet you go into a prositution den looking for a chick that just got into the business, then complain when she doesn't know what she is doing, is a starfish, or she is a runner. Give me a fucking break. I guess it is all in the fantasy though, to have a neophyte hooker that has experience.

The fact of the matter is if the chick is new then she is not going to know what she is doing. If she does, then she ain't really new at this. But I guess it helps feed your ego to trick yourself into thinking that yours is only the fourth dick that a prostitute has had.Mr. E, I am pretty sure you had some young, no baby, apparently innocent, fresh, new to the business girls in your time. Sure, some of them lack experience and technique, but that is their virtue not the number of dicks they might have had or not had. I don't think that way. I don't think you do either. I only care about what is going on in the room between the two or three of us. So over the years I have had sexual congress with more than a few very young girls that made our time together feel like it was the closest thing to the real thing imaginable. 555. And it was definitely worth the price, so I will continue to get it on with these girls.

But don't get me wrong. I am not saying 18-year-old girls are my favorites, although the best of them are in my personal hall of fame. What I am saying is that I enjoy some of that fresh from the fields/country/home love thing they seem to possess. Are they really as innocent as they appear or experienced pros putting on a really good show? I don't know and I don't care as long as they give me a great session.

My preferred age group is the bouncy 21 to 24-year-old girls because these girls generally seem still relatively fresh & young to me, but they have been around long enough to learn some very naughty things that the younger girls don't seem to have a clue about yet.

I also like the 25 to 28-year-old girls a lot. The good ones from this age bracket can be the best performing, most carnally aware girls around and if their looks and personalities are still holding up after years in the business, these girls can be simply amazing in bed.

I kind of would like to say I feel the same way about 29 to 32-year-old girls except by this age; gravity, weight, and skin texture are starting to take their toll on the majority of these girls and their looks have started to fade. However, when I find a pretty one, a good one of this age; I find that she can be the horniest girl imaginable, so I never rule these girls out unless they have just lost their looks completely which is entirely possible. So sad! Life is unfair.

The last age group that I even care to consider if only once in a blue moon, are the 33 and up, thirty somethings. I don't partake too often with girls from this age group except when I go to certain FL pick up bars or I am off in the boonies somewhere with little else to choose from. 555. But when I do partake of these "mature" girls, I sometimes find real gems eg still pretty good looking, soft skin, shapely, women (girls) who are sometimes so downright grateful for the attention, the sex AND the money, of course, that they can really make me feel like a man should feel. Ha Ha.

It all comes down to how I happen to feel at the moment, where I am hunting, the individual girl in question, and her overall personality and looks. Over the long haul I think am pretty consistent and true to my stats. Roughly 45% of my girls are in the 20 to 24 range, 30% of my girls are in the 25 to 28 range, 20% in the 18 to 19 range, and 5% in the 29 and above range. I see merit in individual girls from all of these age categories and I get off on the differences & variety of doing girls from these different age groups. We are all generalizing a lot here, but this is how it is for me more or less.

Is there an alternative to this life style? Sure. I could start dating age appropriate North American girls in my socio-economic class back home, but what fun would that be? None!

Mogwai

04-19-18, 08:18

Why is this even an argument? They are hookers and they fuck for a living. That is, they fuck to earn money to feed themselves and their families. She gets paid by the dick, not by the hour. She would have to be one shitty hooker if she hasn't had 1000 dicks. She would have to be one shitty hooker if she hasn't had 1000 dicks BY THE TIME SHE CAME TO AC? Because that's what this discussion was about. I suggest you (re)read the whole discussion more carefully.

Mogwai

04-19-18, 08:21

You misread the word. I wrote "hundreds", which means "100's", not "1000".
I didn't misread anything. The last line of your post that I quoted was:

"Moreover, I would dare to say, that those hookers who behave professionally with their clients already, were drilled by at least 1000 dicks, or more by that time. ".

Mr Enternational

04-19-18, 16:36

She would have to be one shitty hooker if she hasn't had 1000 dicks BY THE TIME SHE CAME TO AC? Because that's what this discussion was about. I suggest you (re)read the whole discussion more carefully.All I am saying is why does it matter how many dicks the chick took before or after she got to AC? It is like arguing the existence of a supreme being. He can't prove it is 1000 and you can not prove it is not 1000. My point is that many guys have the fantasy that THEIR girl is innocent and clean and shy and they are breaking new ground and showing the chick the ropes of fucking. Well if she was all that, then she would not have shown up in a brothel in the first place. Nobody goes from virgin to full on hooker. Personally I don't care how new and fresh she is. I am there to fuck (not to judge) and she is there to get money for fucking. So whether it is 1 or 1000, add my dick to that count and add my pesos to her bank account.

Socker

04-20-18, 01:23

All I am saying is why does it matter how many dicks the chick took before or after she got to AC?Because it does matter to probably more than half the mongers out there. It obviously doesn't matter to you and many others. No problem and no whining about one group or the other.

He can't prove it is 1000 and you can not prove it is not 1000.None of us will ever know how many times the hooker was bedded But it's fairly easy to tell who the fresh ones are. Fresh ones are usually very tight w / flawless skin and no babies. They have a look that many here enjoy despite that they generally inexperienced.

Experience isn't what the shopper is looking for when in search of a young pristine nubile beauty. It's the other things besides the "dick in the hole" that guys like me and many more are paying for. Will these new hookers tell me honestly how many times they've been fucked? Of course not but I can assure you a fair amount of go go dancers are new and slightly used.

From what you're saying they've all had a thousand dicks. If they haven't had a thousand dicks they're not worth BFing. Maybe for you (this is true) and that's fine but not for guys looking for the finer things in life when they want them.

My point is that many guys have the fantasy that THEIR girl is innocent and clean and shy and they are breaking new ground and showing the chick the ropes of fucking. Well if she was all that, then she would not have shown up in a brothel in the first place.Again, you're exaggerating about guys who think their girl is innocent, not many have this illusion and if they do who does it hurt except them. They are a minority for sure. I've been w / many sweet dancers that were brand new to fucking and that was part of the fun but guys that expect high caliber sex should not pursue this segment of the scene. I don't always go for these types. Sometimes I want huge tits, sometimes tightness, sometimes a goddess, sometimes just a funny chick that's faceable. Going out in AC is like going to Safeway. There's lots of different things available so why not have some variety.

Well if she was all that, then she would not have shown up in a brothel in the first place. Nobody goes from virgin to full on hooker. Personally I don't care how new and fresh she is. You don't care because no amount of rational has impact w / you. That's good, be who you are. And when THEY ARE "all that" it is super fine to enjoy. So Mr E enjoy your high milage hookers as they need work too.

I am there to fuck (not to judge) and she is there to get money for fucking. So whether it is 1 or 1000, add my dick to that count and add my pesos to her bank account.I could have said it better myself. The king of crude. Less power to ya.

Mr Enternational

04-20-18, 05:09

I could have said it better myself. The king of crude. Less power to ya.LOL. This is an internet forum about buying pussy. You really expect the queen's etiquette here?

Kabul Guy

04-20-18, 06:11

Brilliant post! A lot of wisdom here.

I love this one:

"When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children. ".Hell lots of Pinoys don't feed their own kids. How often have we heard that the guy took off as soon as the girl said she was pregnant?

Sammon

04-20-18, 11:43

Hell lots of Pinoys don't feed their own kids. How often have we heard that the guy took off as soon as the girl said she was pregnant?He took off because he cannot get sex for a while. Many phi girls are in the notion that having sex during pregnancy hurts their babies. Phi guys are like us hopping from girl to girl and getting most pregnant. If you ask all single girls they say they had a phi baby. Very few comparatively say foreign baby. That shows they fuck local than foreigners often.

Socker

04-20-18, 19:16

You really expect the queen's etiquette here?I respect mongers regardless of their differences including you. We all have our faves but some mongers feel a need to put down others because they're different. They have a need to put down the natives of the locale they monger in. There have a need to put down the women they hire as if they are on a higher plane. In this hobby they're are buyers and sellers. How can one be better than the other? I guess if one lies to himself he can but not all need this pretension. My take is there's nothing wrong w / fucking strange women and it's a 2 way street, the women do nothing wrong as do I when we keep our agreements.

So your crude dicks per pussy ratios and other puts downs are clear of my mind unless I read your post. I just speak out to remind guys there's another option. All the options are on the table. Choose who you are. Ciao bro, happy hunting.

BrainDrain

04-21-18, 00:59

. Very few comparatively say foreign baby. That shows they fuck local than foreigners often.Many foreigners actually consider the consequences whereas the pinoy have the same lack of education. MY ideas:

New girl or bargirl I always use condom.

My two regular girls that are not a bargirl or working girl, no condom but don't cum inside unless certain she is safe (to my own calculations).

"Girlfriend" live in girl on the pill, cum whenever and often.

BD.

Mr Enternational

04-21-18, 02:27

So your crude dicks per pussy ratios and other puts downs are clear of my mind unless I read your post.Sorry man but I have never put anyone down. I never said that someone was beneath me or less of a person because of who they are, where they are from, or what they have done. That is simply not my personality. I am the one that said if you want someone that knows what they are doing then your best bet would be to get the one with the 1000 dicks that others are talking about avoiding. That is in fact a praise, not a put down. I also said if the girl is available to fuck then I am available to be a customer no matter how many customers she has had before. How is that putting someone down? If you say the cook flipped 1000 burgers before coming to work at this restaurant is that considered a put down as well? How can numbers, stats, and facts be considered as put downs? They are objective measures and just are what they are.

Socker

04-21-18, 05:11

Sorry man but I have never put anyone down. I never said that someone was beneath me or less of a person because of who they are, where they are from, or what they have done. That is simply not my personality. I am the one that said if you want someone that knows what they are doing then your best bet would be to get the one with the 1000 dicks that others are talking about avoiding. That is in fact a praise, not a put down. I also said if the girl is available to fuck then I am available to be a customer no matter how many customers she has had before. How is that putting someone down? If you say the cook flipped 1000 burgers before coming to work at this restaurant is that considered a put down as well? How can numbers, stats, and facts be considered as put downs? They are objective measures and just are what they are.I guess it's the tone you sometimes have but here you said your piece concisely w / out any ugly slants.

As for as going w / seasoned pros (1000 dicks) I think it's as good a strategy as any because as you say, they know what they're doing. Friendly pros would be the best options as you and I both know some hookers are out for no good. I like the tight ones whether they be elite dancers or just a cute 6. I generally take from the bars as I can let my guard down a bit and not worry to much about STDs. I won't refuse a hot FL but I'm not a disco guy so I don't do many. I steer clear of the season pros and in some ways I'm missing out. Every once in a while I hook up w / a wild nasty dancer that knows how to fuck, most don't though. That's okay because I do and I be will too busy ravishing them to realize they don't know what they're doing. I get tired of the lousy BJs though. MILFs are the best for that.

My generalizations about some high and mighty mongers was not directed at you although sometimes you come off like the board disciplinarian. I think we've both softened up a bit which is a good thing.

Cheers.

Kabul Guy

04-22-18, 04:12

LOL. This is an internet forum about buying pussy. You really expect the queen's etiquette here?Yes of course. I expect respect to be the norm. We can disagree but can do it civilly and respectfully.

Member #1088

04-23-18, 02:22

LOL. This is an internet forum about buying pussy. You really expect the queen's etiquette here?I think is more "renting" than buying.

Dg8787

04-23-18, 02:37

I think is more "renting" than buying.Whether rentin $, buyin $ or marryin $ respect and honor in a civil manner is most welcomed. *In layman terms, don't be a *******.

*Directed to no one in particular.

Member #1088

04-23-18, 22:21

Whether rentin $, buyin $ or marryin $ respect and honor in a civil manner is most welcomed. *In layman terms, don't be a *******.

*Directed to no one in particular.I don't know if this is the right forum for marrying, buying yes maybe. I am all forward civil manner.

Just by being civil to girls even P2 P most of the times you get more that you are helping with.

Chocha Monger

04-24-18, 00:44

Yes, that is truth! Unlike the popular myth about superiority of Westerners in the eyes of Filipinos, which some mongers believe in, many Pinays consider foreigners losers and rejects in their home country. In their logic, mongers come to Philippines because they are not in demand at motherland.

Actually, many Pinays have some complexes regarding their appearance. Dark skin is considered a sign of poverty. That is why they try to expose their skin to sunlight as less, as possible. Fair skin is the ideal of feminine beauty for them. They don't understand short term foreign holidaymakers, who are so keen to sunbathe, since it makes their skin red and ugly.

A lot of Filipinas are embarrassed about their noses, facial warts and pimples. Some of them are ashamed of their low height, dark kilikili (armpits) and dark singit (groin). Crooked teeth is another reason of embarrassment, and by the way dental braces are considered as attribute of wealth. It is something like a ring or necklace for Pinays. They don't understand, that they look ugly wearing braces. LOL.

I am saying all of this to make it more clear, that Filipinas don't consider themselves superstars. That is why foreigners chasing them sometimes are associated with losers who are simply incapable to attract a decent western woman.Pinays have low self-esteem about their piggy noses, short legs, and flat faces, dark under arms, crotch, butthole, and pussy lips. They are always wanting to buy glutathione to bleach themselves and dreaming about plastic surgery to 'fix' their piggy noses. It can get tiring hearing how much they hate themselves and want to be someone else. Pinays who hate themselves cannot love anyone else and they are always looking for another man to tell them that they are beautiful, which means they need to cheat often with the most recent cock found online. LOL! They are fun leading up to the shag, as they love flattery. However, after a night or two of shooting your loads into them, the pillow talk too often turns to the things they despise about themselves. This is point where you give them taxi fare to save yourself from depression and the need to pay a shrink.

AussieGaigin

04-24-18, 10:03

Member #4643

04-27-18, 11:48

BobLou

04-27-18, 15:21

P4P.

I have noticed a fair number of women who list their jobs as freelance.

What does this mean? I know what I think a FL girl does (she exchanges money for sex). Is this what they mean? Describing one self as a pro would be totally against DIA rules.

Mr Enternational

04-27-18, 16:15

I have noticed a fair number of women who list their jobs as FREELANCE.

What does this mean? I know what I think a FL girl does (she exchanges money for sex). Is this what they mean? Derscribing one self as a pro would be totally against DIA rules!Yes that is what it means. How does DIA know it means freelance hooker though? It could mean freelance photographer, freelance gym instructor, freelance carpenter, or freelance anything.

ForkTruck

04-27-18, 16:49

I have noticed a fair number of girls photos on dating sites using a variety of two finger salutes. I always thought this to mean take me for Sex however a saw one picture of a group of [CodeWord906] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord906) school kids several who were holding up a two finger V salute to the camera. They couldn't possible know what that means so what is the meaning to pinoys of this signal? When adult girls use it does it always mean Take me for sex, or has it changed into some other kind of meaning?

George03

04-27-18, 17:04

Greetings,

3 trips to Phil, I believe that I posted reports at the time. After reading the forum, after the first and second trips, I am a little more enlightened about the mind of the pinay, but not completely. I am mainly referred to the cupid, etc. Girls.

My first trip was a few years ago. I joined cupid and chatted with a bunches of women. I decided to land in Manila, spend a few days, go to Cebu, then Davao, back to Cebu, then back to Manila.

The thinking was that If I spend some time with a cupid girl and didn't want to see her again, I didn't have to tell her I was coming back. There was one girl in particular that I skyped with daily about two or three weeks before arrival. She looked exactly like I want to see in Phil, short, petite, long hair. She was in early thirties, seemed intelligent.

The first couple of days, I picked a hotel near LA cafe. It might have been by chance, but I knew about the cafe from reading. This was the third week of a vacation, when I got to Manila, I almost wanted to turn around. It looked like a shithole. After getting to the hotel, I had a good time at the LA cafe, plenty of girls to my liking. But I decided that I need to change locations to meet my cupid girl, probably a good move. So, moved to a hotel in Makati, met the cupid girl later that afternoon. We went out, hit a few bars, had dinner, never when skyping did I talk about sex, nor during dinner etc. Late in the evening, I asked her if she wanted to stay with me, and she said yes. I had a great time!. The next morning we went to breakfast, the she went home, but we planned on getting together later in the afternoon. We met up, went to Mall of Asia, some other bars, back to the room. I enjoyed being with her, I was leaving for Cebu the next day. I made plans to meet her when I came back to Manila before going home. When I got to Cebu, I didn't try to make connections with cupid girls I chatted with, except for one. But she said she lived way out in the province and couldn't make it. No other connection with her, but I saw her on FB a couple of years later, one of you old farts knocked her up. I was too tired after Manila, so just went to Mango to pick up dancers.

One to Davao, I picked one up that I chatted with, took her to Samal Island. Not as intelligent as the one in Makati, but good body. She was divorced with one kid. Thought at first no sex. I only had plans to stay here two days. We went to sleep, hadn't even kissed. But she woke me up in the middle of the night ready to go. Sometime during the trip, she told me she hadn't had sex in a few years. It kind of seemed that way at first, BJ was awkward, a little stiff. After the first day, it was much wilder, much better BJ. I left Davao, she seemed to really be looking for a relationship, but I really wasn't that interested in her to fly to Davao again. I went back to Cebu, only visited Mango clubs. I am going to break this up into two reports.

George03

04-27-18, 17:37

Cont,

Ly.

I went back to Makati for one night before returning home. Met up with the girl from the first few days. We had another great time, back to the room, then she rode with me to the airport. I had given both girls (see part one) a little cash as a gift, probably about $50. I explained that I wanted to buy them something, but no time. I don't believe either of these were pros or semi pros. The Makati girl told me a few weeks later that she gave the money I gave her to an orphanage, or something like that. Before the next trip, I had offered to buy her a new phone, but she said no. I didn't know what may happen with the Makati girl, but we skyped, etc. Several times a week for the next six months. I decided I would try to meet her again, So I schedule another trip. I decided to fly in, take her to Boracay for a week. I of course, was going to stop in Japan for a few days, then stay around LA cafe, before meeting up, which I did. A couple of weeks before the trip, things seemed a little strange when skyping, etc. But not too bad. I really wasn't looking for a relationship anyway, but who knows. When in Japan, she wasn't return texts as often, etc. Anyway, finally made it to Manila, I told her what time I would be at the hotel. She text that some friends showed up at the house. I wasn't sure if she was going to show up, but finally came to the room about 4 in the morning. I was kind of pissed, but we got up early to head to Boracay. She was pretty hung over so wasted most of that day, but it was ok. She wasn't really talkative on this trip but we still had a good time, and as much sex as I wanted. She again came with me to the airport. . A I didn't offer anything on the Boracay trip, but I had left some cash in her bag that she acknowledged when skyping a few days after I got home. (I stopped in Japan again). Anyway, it was kind of strange on this trip, and after chatting several times a week, we texted or used whatsapp a couple of times, and she disappeared. I tracked down a profile on FB a couple of months ago, not much activity. I set up a fake FB and asked some of her friends where she might me, no luck. Even though I would be happy to travel with her again, it was still a good trip from my point of view.

The Makati girl didn't seem like the typical hustler that I read about, not from a wealthy family, but at least lived in a house, had a computer etc. But she did seem very flaky right before, and during the second trip. I would welcome any comments, observations, etc. I was probably lucky on the first trip, not any no shows from cupid, but limited sample size. I would welcome any comments, observations, etc.

My next trip, I just went to LA cafe, Subic, then back to Makati. I had to cut this trip short, so didn't really have time to spend on cupid girls. I met a girl that I really enjoyed spending time with from Havanna, great in the sack and good conversation. I would have been happy to travel with her.

I would like to go to Barocay again when I can make it back, I may just wait and spend a few days in Manila or Cebu and find someone while there that I enjoy being with. What do you think?

Mr Enternational

04-28-18, 01:29

I have noticed a fair number of girls photos on dating sites using a variety of two finger salutes. I always thought this to mean take me for Sex however a saw one picture of a group of school kids several who were holding up a two finger V salute to the camera. They couldn't possible know what that means so what is the meaning to pinoys of this signal? When adult girls use it does it always mean Take me for sex, or has it changed into some other kind of meaning?LOL. Where did you get your meaning from? It used to mean peace or. Hang loose, but now it really don't mean shit. People just take pictures that way. I do it myself.

Mr Enternational

04-28-18, 01:37

After getting to the hotel, I had a good time at the LA cafe, plenty of girls to my liking. But I decided that I need to change locations to meet my cupid girl, probably a good move.Why would you need to change locations? Did you think your cupid girl was coming from Beverly Hills and would not approve of Ermita? Damn near every time I have been to Manila I have stayed at CityState 2 blocks from LA Cafe and have never had problems with chicks online coming there. Only once have I stayed at Makati and that was only for a few hours at the Hop Inn.

Mogwai

04-28-18, 07:35

I would like to go to Barocay again when I can make it back, I may just wait and spend a few days in Manila or Cebu and find someone while there that I enjoy being with. What do you think?Boracay is closed for tourists for 6 months:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/04/asia/philippines-duterte-boracay-shutdown-intl/index.html

George03

04-28-18, 10:37

Why would you need to change locations? Did you think your cupid girl was coming from Beverly Hills and would not approve of Ermita? Damn near every time I have been to Manila I have stayed at CityState 2 blocks from LA Cafe and have never had problems with chicks online coming there. Only once have I stayed at Makati and that was only for a few hours at the Hop Inn.Probably because at the time, as in all three of my trips, I tire or that area quickly.

ForkTruck

04-28-18, 18:07

LOL. Where did you get your meaning from? It used to mean peace or. Hang loose, but now it really don't mean shit. People just take pictures that way. I do it myself.Funny, when a girls picture is of her 2 Finger V salute with her tongue stuck out in the V it means piece, not peace.

Member #4643

04-28-18, 22:56

Yes that is what it means. How does DIA know it means freelance hooker though? It could mean freelance photographer, freelance gym instructor, freelance carpenter, or freelance anything.DIA kicks people out for a lot less than that, so it is a surprise. Most guys think that every girl on DIA is available for cash. I think most girls on DIA will have sex with you on the first date, but I do not think most girls are straight forward prostitutes or even semi pros. I weed out the "good" girls by inviting them to my hotel room. Many girls will not accept this invitation, and I immediately drop them from my list. Of the dozen or so DIA girls I have dated, all of them agreed to have a glass of wine in my hotel room prior to coming over and all of them ended up in bed on the first date. That is how I separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff.

I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out. I would be interested if any of the rest of you have a strategy you could share.

Mr Enternational

04-29-18, 01:49

I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out. I would be interested if any of the rest of you have a strategy you could share.You might want to switch to WeChat then brother. They give you prices before you even tell them Hello,.

Goferring

04-29-18, 05:41

I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out.Ummm, have you thought about asking them?

It doesn't have to be "Are you a hooker?" But asking if they need to return home or can spend the night works. When confronted with she's looking for a long term relationship, I just ask if she's happy with something less serious until Mr Right arrives.

There are only two possible replies. Silence means she wasn't the type of girl you wanted in the first place. Any reply, even professing shock and disgust, generally indicates she wants to continue the discussion. Obviously if her reply is a Viber number, it's a no brainer.

Member #1088

05-01-18, 07:42

Member #1088

05-06-18, 01:36

After I tell them I m coming over, and we agree to meet, I ask them how many days they can stay in the hotel with me.

80% the answer is how long would I be there and they can stay as long as I wish.

For them is easy.I wonder if "I wish BF who knows how to respect" = "I play hard to get before you can insert"?

Sammon

05-06-18, 14:03

DIA kicks people out for a lot less than that, so it is a surprise. Most guys think that every girl on DIA is available for cash. I think most girls on DIA will have sex with you on the first date, but I do not think most girls are straight forward prostitutes or even semi pros. I weed out the "good" girls by inviting them to my hotel room. Many girls will not accept this invitation, and I immediately drop them from my list. Of the dozen or so DIA girls I have dated, all of them agreed to have a glass of wine in my hotel room prior to coming over and all of them ended up in bed on the first date. That is how I separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff.

I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out. I would be interested if any of the rest of you have a strategy you could share.DIA has kicked me out few times. So I used local sim in Philippines to sign up. Seems like they are more strict to foreigners. When I got kicked out it was not because I used offensive language or offered money. All offers and discussions I take it elsewhere like viber, messenger etc. However some girls reported me just out of spite because agreement went sour after discussion. I believe some ladyboys also reported me because I would not meet them. They can be annoyingly pushy in spite of me saying I like only real girls. I think nowadays DIA checks the account and messages to make sure before they kick you out.

If somebody looks interesting I try cam to cam chat. I never believe looking at their pics. Many of them post pictures when they were teenagers. Naturally most look cute early in age till the flaws come out. Only after cam chat I invite them to my hotel nowadays. I have been misled before by ugly girls, ladyboys, old lady bringing a young girl, coming with couple of family members, one girl brought her brothers whole family with couple of kids in tow. I had to talk to her outside and she said I need to take them out to eat and then they will go away. I gave her some money and told her to go eat with them and come back. I was surprised when she came back after an hour. I try to meet them outside first and experiences are good and bad. One girl her her good looking friend and asked me who I want. I said both. So three of us spent three days together. On the bad side one real pretty young girl texted me saying she is at mall of Asia and I need to come and pick her up. Low and behold she has her whole family with her. Her came first and talked to me. Simple things like where I am from, how much I like her daughter etc. After that girl comes and says she is going to go shopping with her family and I can come along. I asked point blank if she will come to my hotel with me. She said she will decide later. I just walked away and took a cab to my hotel. She texts me later saying her family wants to have lunch and that is why she did not want to come with me. I guess if I would have stayed I will be paying for food and shopping. I texted her saying if she wants to come she knows where I am staying and she needs to come alone. No reply after that.

So there are good and bad things can happen. But overall I have found very nice girls in and out of bed.

Mr Enternational

05-06-18, 14:24

She texts me later saying her family wants to have lunch and that is why she did not want to come with me.This is the kind of shit that burns me up. It lets you know that she is not interested. This bich has had her entire life to have lunch with her family. Now I am in town and we are supposed to be trying to get to know each other but you can't skip one lunch with your family? All the while the past two weeks that you have been talking to her you have never known her not one day to have lunch with her family.

You think that if a chick came from the other side of the planet to my city and she wants to spend time with me, then I am going to leave her hanging for some menial everyday shit? That is just plain fucking rude. This says that neither you nor your time mean shit to her. (Your money probably does though!)

Member #1088

05-06-18, 20:19

This is the kind of shit that burns me up. It lets you know that she is not interested. This bich has had her entire life to have lunch with her family. Now I am in town and we are supposed to be trying to get to know each other but you can't skip one lunch with your family? All the while the past two weeks that you have been talking to her you have never known her not one day to have lunch with her family.

You think that if a chick came from the other side of the planet to my city and she wants to spend time with me, then I am going to leave her hanging for some menial everyday shit? That is just plain fucking rude. This says that neither you nor your time mean shit to her. (Your money probably does though!)I think she just wanted to show off the foreigner and get him to pay for the food for everyone. I don't think she was ever into doing more.

Wicked Roger

05-06-18, 22:51

I think she just wanted to show off the foreigner and get him to pay for the food for everyone. I don't think she was ever into doing more.That happened to me once in my very early days when I was very new and was caught off guard. Family turns up with the girl because she said 'they want to vet me' but really was a feast for them and nothing for me.

Then I learnt to ask more questions and be fairly blunt if they said they are bring a friend (is ask who, photo, said no family etc).

Worse case was a mate who I forewarned who found 25 family at a seafood buffet in the then Marriott in Cebu. Same guy wo went to the fiesta with his lady only find 38 (his number he counted!) family friends waiting for a beer and lechon. Again was warned not to g but sometime with think with the wrong organ LOL.

Member #1088

05-07-18, 12:55

At least she is honest.

https://www.pinalove.com/ShineSumiyoshi00

Mogwai

05-08-18, 09:25

At least she is honest.

https://www.pinalove.com/ShineSumiyoshi00Unfortunately you have to be a member to view this page. So maybe you can make a screenshot?

WestCoast1

05-08-18, 14:12

At least she is honest.

https://www.pinalove.com/ShineSumiyoshi00

Unfortunately you have to be a member to view this page. So maybe you can make a screenshot?Yes. Everytime someone posts a link to PL, I just get the login page. Alternately 1088, use the Snip tool.

Member #1088

05-09-18, 20:05

Yes. Everytime someone posts a link to PL, I just get the login page. Alternately 1088, use the Snip tool.Ok, here is with the pic, read the last part of her description.

Mr Enternational

05-09-18, 20:17

Ok, here is with the pic, read the last part of her description.You must have made it with a resolution of 3. It is all blurry so nobody can read it. Just fill us in with the short version.

Member #1088

05-10-18, 16:50

You must have made it with a resolution of 3. It is all blurry so nobody can read it. Just fill us in with the short version.It says "Gold Digger, my time is gold".

LOL.

Member #1088

05-17-18, 00:15

It says "Gold Digger, my time is gold".

LOL.Another honest one.

Looking for Sugar Daddy.

Ill be honest. I only love your money. Thats the only thing I need. I prefer meetups so I can make sure Ill have the money before my service.

https://www.pinalove.com/Angelwings16

X Man

05-17-18, 02:14

My guess is that this was written by a jilted lover.

Another honest one.

Looking for Sugar Daddy.

Ill be honest. I only love your money. Thats the only thing I need. I prefer meetups so I can make sure Ill have the money before my service.

https://www.pinalove.com/Angelwings16

Red Kilt

05-17-18, 04:01

I have mentioned it before on this thread but now it is becoming much more widespread, especially on PL.

I refer to the rapid increase in the height of women posted on their profile. There are many more now who post heights as 170 cm or taller. When I respond with a complimentary comment about their height and how I am also tall I ALMOST ALWAYS get a sheepish reply "Sorry, I am only (insert much smaller height)".

It seems some unseen msg has been shared stating that foreigners like taller women, so inflating the height can act as a "hook" rather than the photo.

Before anyone jumps in with comments about trans and lady-boys etc, that has already been factored into the response and comments.

Soapy Smith

05-17-18, 06:07

It seems some unseen msg has been shared stating that foreigners like taller women, so inflating the height can act as a "hook" rather than the photo.
Other possible explanations:

1. They get confused by differences in metric and English measure systems and don't actually know how tall they are.

2. They see what other women are posting and don't want to seem short by comparison.

Number two could be an extension of number one.

Red Kilt

05-17-18, 11:01

Other possible explanations:

1. They get confused by differences in metric and English measure systems and don't actually know how tall they are.

2. They see what other women are posting and don't want to seem short by comparison.

Number two could be an extension of number one.Both are possible Soapy and we all know they don't fully understand heights and weights. We have discussed this ad nauseum before.

Unfortunately you disregarded the fact that this is a relatively recent occurrence and has spiked recently (during the last 6 months in which I have been collecting empirical data).

Why have they all (suddenly) got taller? (rhetorical question. I know the answer).

PedroMorales

05-17-18, 11:31

I sometimes chat to women on skype. I find that best for me as it leads a dead trail and stops me having to block them from Viber etc if / when the relationship goes south. Sometimes, for fun, I accept friend requests, some of which come from West Africa. When they video call me, I see a pretty white woman chatting away with me. When we chat, "she" tells me she is just an ordinary African etc and asks for all kinds of details, big and small. Although I enjoy these scammers up to a point, the key thing I am pointing out here is the fake video. Lots of guys have beeen caught out doing improper things on cam so I never go the facebook route.

If we are honest, our purpose is to stick our penises into the crevices of women and the purpose of many we speak to is no less base.

It is interesting to pop in on those sites from time to time and to saee the same faces on these 24/7 as if they never sleep. Sharks come in all sizes.

KongKing

05-17-18, 15:05

It seems some unseen msg has been shared stating that foreigners like taller women, so inflating the height can act as a "hook" rather than the photo.Yes RK, I have noticed that too.

And Filipina weight has been creeping up as well. Nothing to do with foreigner preferences. Everything to do with a slowly improving economy and a preference for good doses of rice and Jollibee. And for me, increased Filipina weight is definitely not a "hook"!

Wicked Roger

05-17-18, 16:38

Yes RK, I have noticed that too.

And Filipina weight has been creeping up as well. Nothing to do with foreigner preferences. Everything to do with a slowly improving economy and a preference for good doses of rice and Jollibee. And for me, increased Filipina weight is definitely not a "hook"!I remember chatting with one pinay cute and 42 kgs. In the course of the chat I asked her if the pictures were recent and after some banter she admitted they were last year and now she was a little bit larger. For her a little bit was an extra 30 kgs which to me is not a little!! So we stopped.

Another of my favourites is now near 80 kgs! Staggering weight increase caused a lack fo exercise, and the disgusting diet she prefers IE rice, fast food, sugary drinks and more rice plus her exercise is to eat more rice and fast food. She look s like a 'whale' (not my definition but one from another friend who has enjoyed her pussy and ass over the years. Now not more well not from me but maybe a chubby chaser would liker her LOL.

Bu KK is right. The diet and lack of education on how bad it is means a high incidence of diabetes and other health issues which many cannot afford to treat. Is not a great scenario IMHO.

Mr Enternational

05-17-18, 17:57

It is interesting to pop in on those sites from time to time and to saee the same faces on these 24/7 as if they never sleep.Women on different websites have said the same thing about me.

Kabul Guy

05-19-18, 06:24

If you were looking for a nice inexpensive place to live and have a much younger live in bed warmer, where would be your favourite spots to go looking?

No right or wrong answers, just looking for opinions.

Nice Guy 99

05-19-18, 06:33

Chocha Monger

05-19-18, 14:12

I remember chatting with one pinay cute and 42 kgs. In the course of the chat I asked her if the pictures were recent and after some banter she admitted they were last year and now she was a little bit larger. For her a little bit was an extra 30 kgs which to me is not a little!! So we stopped.

Another of my favourites is now near 80 kgs! Staggering weight increase caused a lack fo exercise, and the disgusting diet she prefers IE rice, fast food, sugary drinks and more rice plus her exercise is to eat more rice and fast food. She look s like a 'whale' (not my definition but one from another friend who has enjoyed her pussy and ass over the years. Now not more well not from me but maybe a chubby chaser would liker her LOL.

Bu KK is right. The diet and lack of education on how bad it is means a high incidence of diabetes and other health issues which many cannot afford to treat. Is not a great scenario IMHO.Many Pinays eventually move up into the heavyweight category, as their friends and family members in that weight class tend to convince them that 'big and heavy' is sexy. Many slim spinners consider themselves malnourished and work diligently to make themselves 'fat and sexy. ' They see obesity as sexually appealing, and proudly declare their intentions to add 30 to 40 kilos of blubber to a 4'11" tall frame. Mattress sumo appears to be a popular local sport judging from what the Filipino fellas haul into Sogo for a bit of grappling.

Kabul Guy

05-20-18, 00:50

Abu Dhabi.Really? I have not spent much time there but have been in Dubai lots and think it is expensive and that getting live in would be difficult if not impossible there.

Kabul Guy

05-20-18, 00:59

Many Pinays eventually move up into the heavyweight category, as their friends and family members in that weight class tend to convince them that 'big and heavy' is sexy. .....Not at all uncommon in cultures that have developed under conditions of not having more than adequate food supplies. Thin people work manual labour and cannot afford enough to eat, fat people are successful and prosperous and have enough to eat and get fat on.

Same thinking goes to skin colour, low status people work in fields and get dark, high status people do not have to go into the sun and get tanned.

Wicked Roger

05-20-18, 04:30

Really? I have not spent much time there but have been in Dubai lots and think it is expensive and that getting live in would be difficult if not impossible there.I think NG means girls KG as for sure he won't mean to live as rents are horrible and the cost of living high. I was there recently and even cheap hotels are not that cheap and eating in restos is not cheap. Girls can be cheap but then you may need to take a hit on quality but still not like pinay land sadly IMHO.

When I lived in Abu Dhabi my rent was only around 2 million pesos a year and was 'subsidised' as the I worked for the condo owner. Rents have fallen but the UAE is getting pricier and the girls are trying to ask for more (but try to give less especially if CIS / Stanis LOL).

Nice Guy 99

05-20-18, 04:55

Really? I have not spent much time there but have been in Dubai lots and think it is expensive and that getting live in would be difficult if not impossible there.Abu Dhabi is very different than Dubai. Living there is significantly less expensive. No prob finding pinays and PRCs to stay with you. Much more reasonable expectations for compensation.

Blanquiceleste

05-20-18, 05:30

Abu Dhabi is very different than Dubai. Living there is significantly less expensive. No prob finding pinays and PRCs to stay with you. Much more reasonable expectations for compensation.Honestly, I thought this was a really smart sarcastic comment to a rather random question.

PedroMorales

05-20-18, 06:59

Many Pinays eventually move up into the heavyweight category, as their friends and family members in that weight class tend to convince them that 'big and heavy' is sexy. Many slim spinners consider themselves malnourished and work diligently to make themselves 'fat and sexy. ' They see obesity as sexually appealing, and proudly declare their intentions to add 30 to 40 kilos of blubber to a 4'11" tall frame. Mattress sumo appears to be a popular local sport judging from what the Filipino fellas haul into Sogo for a bit of grappling.I used to regularly 3 hole this nice woman. She had a son of about 7 years of age, who was a Mr Blubber and must have weighed in at 70 kg. The other Africans used to come round and admire him, like he was a little bull in a paddock. Though many Africans are slim spinners, they do seem to like jumbo size. I guess, once Pinays have the money for Jolibee in abundance, they will go the same way. Something so nice about bonking featherweights.

Nice Guy 99

05-20-18, 08:15

Honestly, I thought this was a really smart sarcastic comment to a rather random question.Not sarcastic. It is the truth.

Soapy Smith

05-20-18, 16:34

Unfortunately you disregarded the fact that this is a relatively recent occurrence and has spiked recently (during the last 6 months in which I have been collecting empirical data).No, I understood the trend line aspect of the story quite well. But we are offering two different explanations for the trend line. You believe there is a story being diffused among Filipinas that Western men like taller women. Obviously since you've been collecting data you may know something else that substantiates this explanation, such as women telling you they had heard this rationale.

I'm suggesting that the same trend could occur from mimicry alone.

I heard a story recently about an Australian company on the verge of bankruptcy. Then one day a photo shows up on the internet of Meghan Markle carrying one of their handbags. Suddenly sales of these handbags skyrocketed and turned the company's fortunes around overnight. So, did all these women purchasers buy these handbags because they thought it would help them catch their own Prince Harry? No, Meghan Markle got Prince Harry because she's hot, and they're not. And Meghan Markle is probably the most visible woman in the world right now, even ahead of Stormy Daniels. So there's a changing trend line based not on some rational expectation of an outcome, but on simple mimicry: monkey see, monkey do.

So maybe a Filipina is in the process of posting her profile and, being ignorant about measurement systems, seeks a reference point by looking at what other women have posted. Bingo: she contributes to a trend line that others can then follow. Just a suggestion.

Red Kilt

05-21-18, 06:30

So maybe a Filipina is in the process of posting her profile and, being ignorant about measurement systems, seeks a reference point by looking at what other women have posted. Bingo: she contributes to a trend line that others can then follow. Just a suggestion.I'm sure both our theories are correct Soapy, and there's no doubt a few more explanations too that could all be correct, given that this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".

Soapy Smith

05-21-18, 08:45

this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".Exactly. You have probably accommodated yourself to this principle more fully than I have and so achieve greater serenity from accepting the many situations that cannot be changed.

GoodEnough

05-21-18, 12:47

I'm sure both our theories are correct Soapy, and there's no doubt a few more explanations too that could all be correct, given that this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".If this were a Facebook post I would have given it a "like," since the last half sentence perfectly describes the thought process here. And the "rules" to which RK refers are unwritten, so you've got to infer them as you go through daily life.

GE.

Breadman

05-25-18, 00:46

In the Thailand forum there's a distinct split on how people see Bangkok vs Pattaya. Is there one on this forum for Angeles and Manila? Which one has the better talent? I'm a fan of the gogo scene, which city has the better clubs and talent? I booked a flight into Hong Kong and out of Bangkok with the idea of flying down to check out the action in PI. From Hong Kong I can fly directly into either AC or Manila for around the same price. I'd then fly out of Manila to Bangkok after my adventures. I can do both cities, split the time as I see fit or I can save the time and the taxi and spend the entire trip in Manila since Angeles just doesn't work out trying to fly into Bangkok (no direct flights yet). My other question is about the cheaper buses that run to Manila for 600 pesos, word is they get robbed but that's from an old post. Are they still getting pulled over and robbed at gunpoint or is that a thing of the past? I've also heard horror stories of the Manila airport, is it as bad as it sounds? Would a Sunday be the best day to fly out?

Mr Enternational

05-25-18, 03:19

Is there one on this forum for Angeles and Manila? Which one has the better talent? I'm a fan of the gogo scene, which city has the better clubs and talent? I booked a flight into Hong Kong and out of Bangkok with the idea of flying down to check out the action in PI. From Hong Kong I can fly directly into either AC or Manila for around the same price. My other question is about the cheaper buses that run to Manila for 600 pesos, word is they get robbed but that's from an old post. I've also heard horror stories of the Manila airport, is it as bad as it sounds? I always tell people if they are coming to Thailand or Philippines then they might as well check the other one out too while they are on this side of the world. (Likewise makes no sense to go all the way to Manila or AC and not check the other one out too.) It is only a 3 hour flight and I usually get it for $150 round trip on Cebu Pacific. Just found out Air Asia also has a flight now and it is even cheaper. I don't know of any horor stories at the Manila airport. It has always been a breeze for me and I am in it probably 20 times per year.

As far as transportation between the two, I think you are talking about the raggedy Swagman bus. It is old, 600 pesos, and only runs once a day. There is, however, a new bus service (Genesis) from the Manila airport for 350 pesos. I have taken it several times since it started around September. Great is all I can say. 350 from AC to Manila in the bus then another 350 for Grab taxi from the airport to my hotel in Ermita. Definitely beats the 3000 that they want for taxis. I don't know of any bus robberies. Don't know how many times I have been between AC and Manila, but I can tell you that it has only been in a taxi thrice. Every other time it has been in a bus. No problems. I always sit in the back row and if the bus is not full, it is the last place that other passengers will come. So plenty of space to stretch out and watch shows on my tablet.

I think I went into more bars the other day in AC than I ever have. Talent was way low and keep in mind that I am not the pickiest mf on ISG. To me it looked like that place is on its last leg. Or maybe it is low season or something. I don't keep track of the seasons. I have never been a big gogo fan anyway. It is boring to me. But my opinion is that the game has really moved to the web. That and it is easier to get normal jobs now so less women are feeling the need to go hang around on a stage all day.

A couple of things to keep in mind are that in AC it is all inclusive. The Fields bars are 3000 pesos and now the Perimeter bars are 2500 pesos. You do not give any extra money to the girls. In Manila you do give the girls a separate fee and it is going to run you 3 X as getting a girl in Angeles. Pussy is just not that important to me to be paying $200 in a third world country to be able to stick my dick into it a few times. That being said, I have only set foot in Manila gogos maybe 3 times. I have been to EDSA Complex twice and the Burgos bars once. I have really not paid attention to talent level but there is pretry much a consensus that Manila has the best girls. A friend of mine tells me that Air Force One has the best in particular and if you go to nowhere else in Manila then you must make a visit there. I have never been to check it out, and even when I get around to it I am sure I will not be in the mind to pay Air Force Once prices.

Kabul Guy

05-26-18, 00:54

I have reread the thread by Chocha Monger and Tagalog2016. These two guys form a mutual admiration society with remarkably similar world views and writing styles. Makes one wonder just how many guys are really writing these posts.

The main thrust of their position is that all women in the Philippines are only out to get your money and will screw a trike driver just as soon as you are out of sight. They blast all local women for lying about wanting money for sex while at the same time bragging about getting sex for no money while lying to the women about their aims. They do make it clear that they are never explicit about what they promise but given the norms of mongering and local women with foreign guys it is well understood by all that money plays a big part in why they have sex with us. The term sexual shoplifting comes to mind here.

While he / they do have a very literate writing style and are obviously educated they missed the classes on research methodology. Their entire analysis is based on either limited random personal observations or anecdotal evidence that supports their case. Their analysis simply lacks any sort or rigor to make the firm claims that they make over and over again.

They have a selection bias. Since they are with women, just as we all are, who are willing to give sex for money they act surprised that all the women that they are with are after money. There are lots of women here who truly want a love based relationship. There is a vast cultural difference between the expectations on a love relationship and how it is expressed between Philippines and western culture just suffice to say that the expression of love by a man here is more reward based than in western cultures.

However you have to recognize that we as human males are predisposed to women opf prime child bearing age (around 25) women are also predisposed genetically to males who can provide and protect them. (Look at the Art of Manliness web site, they define the duties of a real man to provide, protect and procreate). It does not matter who you are, what age you are and what culture you are in, you will have better sexual success if women think you will be a good provider.

So no big news that women are looking for something in return for giving a guy sex and that in Philippine culture they are a little more open about asking for financial help from a foreign guy.

They have a confirmation bias as well. They take it as widespread confirmation that the traits that they look for in a women when expressed are evidence that all Philippine women want only money for sex and will fuck their trike driver as soon as your back is turned.

This is simply not true. The women we as foreign mongers will meet are willing to have sex for money either because they like the lifestyle, because they need the money or more likely somewhere between those two extremes. The educated women with options will not have anything to do with a foreign guy that they perceive as a monger. We get the ones who believe either rightly or wrongly that money for sex is the best way out of the poverty cycle all too prevalent here.

Finally they have a serious extrapolation failure in their analysis. They state that because they find some evidence of a trait in a sample of women selected for that trait that that not only reinforces their belief in that trate but it applies to all women in the country.

This post is getting too long so I will save comments on their failures in cultural matters for a subsequent post.

Happy humping.

KG.

Nice Guy 99

05-26-18, 01:54

The term sexual shoplifting comes to mind here."Sexual shoplifting" . Love it! I'm going to steal that very descriptive and accurate term for those guys who try to exploit.

Kabul Guy

05-26-18, 02:18

"Sexual shoplifting" . Love it! I'm going to steal that very descriptive and accurate term for those guys who try to exploit.That is not my original idea. It was used here a lot several years ago but fell out of use recently. So feel free to steal it, I did. LOL.

I agree it is a perfect descriptor for people who allow or lead women into believing that they will be rewarded for services rendered.

And let's face the fact. All women want something for their sexual services. It can be explicit as in $XX for this and $YY for that with time limits or it can be a life long commitment to support and provide. We males are genetically programmed to want women who are good child bearing age and physical condition. I. e. Full breasts for giving milk and wide hips for the birth process. The women are likewise genetically programmed into wanting men that they see as good protectors and providers. They look for healthy men who have physical strength to provide and protect. The wanting tangible signs of wealth is a cultural manifestation of that preference for a provider and protector. A fat wallet gives the woman the same degree of provision and protection as a muscular physique.

Did you see the article that showed that monkeys and other animals when taught the concept of money started engaging in p4p activities?

https://www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monkeys-the-concept-of-money-not-long-after-the-first-prostitute-monkey-appeared/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_among_animals

We are just doing what comes naturally.

Mr Enternational

05-26-18, 04:32

They have a selection bias. Since they are with women, just as we all are, who are willing to give sex for money they act surprised that all the women that they are with are after money. There are lots of women here who truly want a love based relationship. There is a vast cultural difference between the expectations on a love relationship and how it is expressed between Philippines and western culture just suffice to say that the expression of love by a man here is more reward based than in western cultures.You got my head spinning here. So you shun CM and Tagalog for saying the class of women that most guys here will ever deal with will only be after their money. Then you turn around and pull a Donald Trump by keeping the premise that you despised them for saying and adding to it that they want more than just money having sex with the guy?

Kabul Guy

05-26-18, 07:36

You got my head spinning here. So you shun CM and Tagalog for saying the class of women that most guys here will ever deal with will only be after their money. Then you turn around and pull a Donald Trump by keeping the premise that you despised them for saying and adding to it that they want more than just money having sex with the guy?I am saying that women everywhere in the world are genetically programmed to want males who can be a provider and a protector, just as males are programmed to want a woman of prime child raising age. It is something needed to help propagate our genetic material, pick a mate who will increase the chances of our offspring becoming adults and therefore having our grandchildren. It can be explicit in cash for fun tonight or implicit as in becoming a family unit where the male is expected to provide the bulk of the material benefit while the woman has and raises the children.

The problem is when people are dishonest about their expectations. If a woman leads you to believe that she wants a normal love relationship when in actuality she is plotting draining your bank account then that is bad. If she says she wants 2000 p for a BJ and delivers and collects then that is good.

The dynamic duo are not saying only that the class of women that most guys here will meet are only after their money, but saying all pinas are only after their money and will be very dishonest about it while screwing the trike driver on the side.

I agree that the women most expats will meet are after money (or security or a new life in a western country) but not all women here want that. There is a very large number of women here who will not give a foreigner a second look, no matter how fat his wallet. These are the educated and worldly daughters of the wealthy and elite ruling class, we will most likely never meet one of them let alone have a relationship with one.

I read an estimate that there are about 600,000 to 800,000 sex workers here. If you double that to include the part timers non pros who do not classify themselves as sex workers but as good women looking for a better life with a foreign BF then you still only have about 1. 5 million out of over 50 million women here, 3%, that are even potentials for us to meet. To extrapolate behaviors patterns from those to include all women here is just not good sound thinking.

What I dislike about those two is that they disparage an entire nation of women based on their limited observations in the 3% pool for hiding the fact that they want money for sex when it is expected that we will pay and that they will get it at the same time as bragging about being dishonest about giving money to get sex from women who are obviously expecting something. It is sort of like the tipping culture in the US. You are not legally obliged to tip a server, however it is expected and customary so everyone does it and relies on it. Here it is also customary and expected that we will at the very least gove "taxi money" to the women. To not do it is to take advantage of these women.

Mr Enternational

05-26-18, 08:32

The problem is when people are dishonest about their expectations. If a woman leads you to believe that she wants a normal love relationship when in actuality she is plotting draining your bank account then that is bad.

Here it is also customary and expected that we will at the very least gove "taxi money" to the women. To not do it is to take advantage of these women.If you let someone lead you to believe they wanted love when they wanted money, then you deserve to be taken. The signs are ALWAYS there. My ex-girlfriend in AC that works at the massage shop never asked me for a got damn thing. Even when I went to her shop for a massage and tried to give her a tip she would refuse that.

Same with ex-girlfiend in Cebu. I would stay at her house and she would never ask for anything. It was a very nice 2 story house where she rented rooms to university students. Now she did let me know from the beginning that when we did things together that she did not have money and I would have to pay for everything. But she never asked anything else of me. Contrast that to you forever shelling out money to a chick to get food, medicine, kids school clothes or whatever else under the sun.

I have had chicks come see me from outside of Manila and not ask for or expect 1 peso for taxi money or anything else. And they have done this multiple times. When I got to AC the other night I invited a chick over to the Penthouse Hotel where I was staying. We were on the roof because I wanted to eat. I had the fried chicken dinner, 2 pina coladas, and she had 1 mango juice. The bill came to 800 pesos. Before I could pick it up she threw down 1000 pesos. When she got the change she left 100 pesos tip because she didn't have any other change in her wallet. We went down to my room and fucked. Right after, she asked do you want me to leave now. I'm like where the hell did you get that idea. And she stayed the night. So to me nothing has been customary or expected. It just depends on the person you are dealing with.

Member #1088

05-28-18, 16:11

If you let someone lead you to believe they wanted love when they wanted money, then you deserve to be taken. The signs are ALWAYS there. My ex-girlfriend in AC that works at the massage shop never asked me for a got damn thing. Even when I went to her shop for a massage and tried to give her a tip she would refuse that.

Same with ex-girlfiend in Cebu. I would stay at her house and she would never ask for anything. It was a very nice 2 story house where she rented rooms to university students. Now she did let me know from the beginning that when we did things together that she did not have money and I would have to pay for everything. But she never asked anything else of me. Contrast that to you forever shelling out money to a chick to get food, medicine, kids school clothes or whatever else under the sun.

I have had chicks come see me from outside of Manila and not ask for or expect 1 peso for taxi money or anything else. And they have done this multiple times. When I got to AC the other night I invited a chick over to the Penthouse Hotel where I was staying. We were on the roof because I wanted to eat. I had the fried chicken dinner, 2 pina coladas, and she had 1 mango juice. The bill came to 800 pesos. Before I could pick it up she threw down 1000 pesos. When she got the change she left 100 pesos tip because she didn't have any other change in her wallet. We went down to my room and fucked. Right after, she asked do you want me to leave now. I'm like where the hell did you get that idea. And she stayed the night. So to me nothing has been customary or expected. It just depends on the person you are dealing with.Did you get to enjoy some of the univ students renting rooms in your Cebu ex GF, like having a little harem.

PinaLove

05-28-18, 22:28

I read an estimate that there are about 600,000 to 800,000 sex workers here. If you double that to include the part timers non pros who do not classify themselves as sex workers but as good women looking for a better life with a foreign BF then you still only have about 1. 5 million out of over 50 million women here, 3%, that are even potentials for us to meet. To extrapolate behaviors patterns from those to include all women here is just not good sound thinking.This are excellent odds for us socially awkward disenfranchised westerners. It does explain why it's really is more fun in the Philippines. If there are 6.6 M mostly male tourists per year (http://web.tourism.gov.ph/news_features/dot_high.aspx) approx 127,000 per week to be hunted by the Ph sex workers, semi-pro and willing girls, plus of course the romantic a spirationalists.

1: 5 Visitor to sex workers.

1: 12 Hopeful pinays.

So at worst when we are here there are at least 5 women seeking each man, up to 12 seekers.

Does it matter is we are still only sampling less than 3% of the female populations?

Happy days.

PL.

Sammon

05-29-18, 02:16

Did you get to enjoy some of the univ students renting rooms in your Cebu ex GF, like having a little harem.Once in a while you might get a freebie. Usually they are much older into their thirties with a good job or else have game plan to hook you into a long term relationships. I always will give money whether they request or reject saying just go buy some presents for yourself. We all know these girls do not have much money. Just payup!

I found a girl in Cebu who was living with many uni students. In the beginning she said she would not arrange. I convinced her by paying her extra. In the end she got me two. These girls always need money. They will do part time only just to support themselves.

Kabul Guy

05-29-18, 05:02

....
Does it matter is we are still only sampling less than 3% of the female populations?

Happy days.

PL.Yes it does if you are using a sample that is heavily weighted into the 3% and extrapolating the findings to the entire population of the country. (I was using sample in the statistical definition of a sample to determine parameters of the population at large.) Rigorous research methodology is to balance the sample so that it is representative of the population at large (or to weight the findings to reflect the differences between the sample and the population.).

No it doesn't is you are just having fun with a few the 3% of the population. (You are using sample in the sense of taking a selection out of the 3% that is offering delights.) You will wear your dick out before you taste all the delights in the 3%.

The numbers are actually better than you indicate. Not all tourists coming here are male sex tourists. Many are families and females (not eliminating females as sex tourists though LOL). You should also factor in the roughly quarter million foreigners who live here (just under 200 k in 2010 so I bumped that up for population growth in last 8 years) . Again not all of these are male mongers, some are in happy stable long term relations and some are like me here for both a good time and a long time.) There is a seasonal variation in tourists arriving here. Some months less than 50 k tourists some months over 600 k.

OTOH you need to account for local mongers. There are lots of them out there. I see them at massage places and read their FR's on other web sites. Usually need google translate.

I'll have to do some searching to see if I can find any non-biased research papers on actual numbers of sex workers here and sex tourists. It could be interesting to see some data.

Kabul Guy

05-29-18, 05:08

Once in a while you might get a freebie. Usually they are much older into their thirties with a good job or else have game plan to hook you into a long term relationships. I always will give money whether they request or reject saying just go buy some presents for yourself. We all know these girls do not have much money. Just payup!

....That has been my experience too. I have had several 30 somethings (and older) contact me on Pinalove and Tinder just looking to get laid. They want a foreigner for a couple of reasons, we will not spread the word all around their baragngy that they are easy, we are considered a little on the exotic side by them and they know that we are generally safer than locals for them. Some have returned and been almost regulars, some call every couple months asking of they can come over. Some are fuglies and get turned down too LOL.

They generally refuse cash but I will always at least offer to call a Grab on my account for them or for the regulars I'll buy presents for them.

PinaLove

05-29-18, 12:44

I'll have to do some searching to see if I can find any non-biased research papers on actual numbers of sex workers here and sex tourists. It could be interesting to see some data..Thanks for your attention to the rigorous research standards. The forum definitely needs it. I think there will be some members whom will not like the results.

I'm in Angeles most of the time. Over the years I've noticed it is really a 3-6 month tide for many of the girls. Newbies wash in, others wash out, a few a longer term. In any case, there are always newbies.

I meet more girls here whom get married than I've met in my home country. In the past year 2-3 girls that washed into AC, got fucked by me, also found a guy to marry them and whisk them to another country.

Meeting foreigners is still a long term play for many.

Mr Enternational

05-29-18, 17:25

I meet more girls here whom get married than I've met in my home country. In the past year 2-3 girls that washed into AC, got fucked by me, also found a guy to marry them and whisk them to another country.

Meeting foreigners is still a long term play for many.And after that? I have a buddy that used to own a bar here in Pattaya. Guys would always come in and whisk the women away. And he would always say that he would be glad when they break up so she can get her ass back to work. I have another friend that is Thai and owns a restaurant and hair salon. She said the same thing happens with her workers; even the ladyboys. But when the guy gets tired of taking care of their asses they send them back though. It seems you are not seeing that part of the process.

Kabul Guy

05-30-18, 00:44

Thanks for your attention to the rigorous research standards. The forum definitely needs it. I think there will be some members whom will not like the results.
.....I am an engineer so I am a number guy who wants to see real data, gathered with no preconceived notion or bias be properly analyzed with due attention to the limitations and practical realities of the whole process to produce useful information.

Sometimes I want to information to make decisions, other times I just like the process because it is somewhat intellectually shiny. Either way I take great exception to any researcher who starts a study already "knowing" the outcome. Over time I think I have developed a knack for shifting the signal out of the noise. However that could just be hubris in my old age.

The sex trade is a perfect example. Some people think it is wrong and immoral, and that is their right to believe that but when they then undertake a "study" to "prove" that they are the ones that are IMHO immoral. Of course the other is just as bad, people who undertake a study to prove that the sex trade is all beneficial and a good thing in every respect are just as beneath my contempt.

I believe, and this is based on a lot of googling and reading the actual source studies, (in construction camps you often have too much time on your hands and need any entertainment and distraction you can get LOL) that whether or not the sex business is harmful depends on why you are participating in it, what you and your family and your culture believe about it and how long you stay in the business.

If there is to be any regulation then that regulation should be to ensure that it is as safe as possible for both and that anyone participating in the industry does so voluntarily and can enter or leave as they determine suitable for themselves. I. e. Everyone legal age, no forced participation and proper STD education, prevention and treatment practices available to all, etc.

Hutsori

05-30-18, 09:08

entire commentHey KB, good comment. I suppose you may have come across the name Sharmila Parmanand if you've read about sex work here. This is a decent interview with her, https://www.pampubliko.com/pampubliko-x-sex-work/q-and-a-sharmila-parmanand-on-sex-work-in-the-philippines/ . It presents a lot of the biases, even ones that many don't typically considered biased, for example calling a sex worker a "victim" who's been "rescued" betrays a bias. Heck, even "sex worker" is a biased term to some who say sex workers are always coerced (beyond pimps to patriarchy and capitalism) and therefore can never consent. She also mentions the power mismatch between sex workers and those who purport to advocate on their behalf and provide them services. And then there's the sticky issue of donors' money.

Soapy Smith

05-31-18, 00:09

Hey KB, good comment. I suppose you may have come across the name Sharmila Parmanand if you've read about sex work here. This is a decent interview with her, https://www.pampubliko.com/pampubliko-x-sex-work/q-and-a-sharmila-parmanand-on-sex-work-in-the-philippines/.An interesting and encouraging read, a sort of vanguard viewpoint, but probably also a minority perspective among development service professionals and feminists.

Although Ms. Parmanand's perspective seems thoughtful, I believe there is a glaring omission in the interview: very little discussion of the nature and behavior of users. Ms. Parmanand observed that many decriminalization efforts address only the activities of the sex workers, but not the users. So, if there are few reliable data about sex workersand an urgent need for themwouldn't the same be true for the other side of the exchange? Over the years we have had a few light-hearted discussions about doing such research among ISG participants. There would be several difficulties involved: nobody would ever fund such research, few if any skilled researchers would dare undertake it, and it would be an uphill battle to ever get the research results accepted.

Ms. Parmamand makes the interesting point that testimonials offered by former sex workers are inherently biased in at least two ways: they typically reinforce the "rescuing" institution's values, and within the sex worker community there are lessons shared about what to say in order to be treated favorably by those who "rescue" or arrest you. The values around the activities of users is perhaps even more of a minefield.

A couple of interesting observations: first, the acknowledgement that a few (emphasis on few) progressive-thinking NGOs are getting ahead of the curve on trafficking, and a few feminists (e. g. , Ms. Parmanand) are beginning to see beyond the "victimization" narrative of their sisters. I think the key idea here is "agency"; that is, that many sex workers in fact make intentional decisions to engage in sex work as a means of livelihood, and, that policies that ignore this reality probably do more (uninformed and unintended) harm than good. So policies that assume they're unwitting victims also eliminate from consideration remedies that actually empower them and keep them safe. It appears this is the subject matter of Ms. Parmamand's doctoral thesis research at Cambridge.

Maybe it's important to consider genuine agency in the activities of users as well, instead of chalking it all up to thinking with the little head, as some in ISG as well as many feminists and religious moralists--are inclined to do. It might be interesting to map out the kinds of meetings and conferences at which Ms. Parmamand is likely to speak, and then show up and pose questions about the lack of data and attributions of agency for users.

One important caveat should be offered: some exploitative traffi--king does occur, and it is important that we not look the other way when it appears.

Finally, three cheers for USAID's achievement in attending to both streams of anti-sex work moralistsmainstream feminists and religious moralists.

Thanks for sharing this, H.

PinaLove

05-31-18, 01:36

Hey KB, good comment. I suppose you may have come across the name Sharmila Parmanand .Thanks for this link. For me I liked this paragraph.

Sometimes it’s just like, “Oh I want a new phone” or “I would like new shoes.” These cases then show that there is agency in sex work. Of course, I’m also very conscious of not pretending that this is the face of the movement, because within the sex work community, there are hierarchies. And there’s also a lot of resentment among street-based sex workers against the more high-end Internet-based sex workers or students engaging in sex work who come from a position of privilege and are in a better position to negotiate their clients or their hours. But yes, that does happen even in the Philippines. I’ve spoken to several students of private universities who engage in this...I think this is the sex market in which I dwell. Girls whom are 30 years younger than me, happy to hang out with me and of course they do not label themselves as prostie. The test is always "stop the money and stop the honey".

While breaking up can seem problematic, once they know that the money is no longer flowing their way then they know they must move on.

Nice Guy 99

05-31-18, 03:14

Thanks for this link. For me I liked this paragraph.

I think this is the sex market in which I dwell. Girls whom are 30 years younger than me, happy to hang out with me and of course they do not label themselves as prostie. The test is always "stop the money and stop the honey".Guys it's simple. Don't listen to the lefty journalists. Most pinays like to fuck and when the meet their first western guy who creates orgasms by licking their pussy, stimulates things they never thought of by licking their assholes and having anal sex. Well it's a whole new world for them.

I've turned out a number of pinays. Roger has experienced one and I'm sure he'll vouch. The authors of this article are detached from reality. Unlike FSU girls who may be totally controlled and exploited, pinays are generally independent. They enjoy sex, they enjoy money and they enjoy you. Deal with it liberal press.

Soapy Smith

05-31-18, 06:04

The authors of this article are detached from reality.

(snip)

pinays are generally independent. They enjoy sex, they enjoy money and they enjoy you. Actually, the idea of "agency" that this woman is describing implies that these women do make independent decisions. A central argument from her is that they have much greater agency than what is assumed by the anti-trafficking community, who see them totally victimized and totally controlled by pimps and traffickers. This woman is arguing that the anti-trafficking community is actually victimizing sex workers by treating them as though they can't think and act for themselves. I don't think she would have a problem with the idea that some of these women enjoy sex, some enjoy money, and some enjoy the men they are with. And the interviewers seem to get her argument; they are not disagreeing with her. I suspect they sought her out specifically because she is known for the position she takes in opposition to the anti-trafficking community. Maybe Hutsori's link led you to a different interview than the one I read.

If this woman and her interviewers are liberals, and I suspect they are, they sort of belie the notion of a monolithic liberal media that all think in lockstep.

Kabul Guy

05-31-18, 07:14

Kabul Guy

05-31-18, 07:21

....
Finally, three cheers for USAID's achievement in attending to both streams of anti-sex work moralistsmainstream feminists and religious moralists.

.....Did you know that it is a standard clause in all USAID contracts and grants that no one hired by the program can engage in any sort of p4 p?

If caught the contract or grant can be terminated.

So someone working on one of those billion dollar programs in Afghanistan or Iran stops into Jules bar in Dubai and the program can be canceled? (Never happened as far as I know but I do know people fired for that by the contractor citing that clause.) I agree it should happen for what Oxfam allowed to happen in Haiti but a basically retaln p4 p activity conducted far away from and not involving the program is a little far fetched don't you think?

Soapy Smith

05-31-18, 22:06

So someone working on one of those billion dollar programs in Afghanistan or Iran stops into Jules bar in Dubai and the program can be canceled? (Never happened as far as I know but I do know people fired for that by the contractor citing that clause.) I agree it should happen for what Oxfam allowed to happen in Haiti but a basically retaln p4 p activity conducted far away from and not involving the program is a little far fetched don't you think?But basically driven by domestic politics, the need to please particular interest groups, and totally disconnected from circumstances on the ground in the developing world. I don't know where it stands now, but during the administration of G. W. Bush, conservative religious groups were able to push the abstinence only policy such that foreign aid contractors in Africa were forbidden to offer even informational programs about condoms and contraceptives.

Some American faith-based NGOs walk a careful tightrope in their programs. A large bulk of their fund-raising comes from collection programs in domestic churches, so their marketing has to be very careful. World Vision is an interesting example. They play down their actual involvement in family planning in developing countries, but in Africa they are quietly dispensing condoms, and maybe elsewhere too. It is not discussed in any of their fund-raising promotions.

PinaLove

06-01-18, 08:00

The number of times I have seen sweet bar girls that I screw wearing a condom to then see them a few months later pregnant. They go home and are happy I guess.

Soapy Smith

06-01-18, 17:10

I agree it should happen for what Oxfam allowed to happen in Haiti but a basically retaln p4 p activity conducted far away from and not involving the program is a little far fetched don't you think?Ironically, Oxfam was originally formed as a faith-based organization--by Quakers from Oxford no less. So what if the basic faith values have shifted a bit?

Kabul Guy

06-02-18, 01:47

Ironically, Oxfam was originally formed as a faith-based organization--by Quakers from Oxford no less. So what if the basic faith values have shifted a bit?I have found that the faith based organizations are capable of some of the most egregious breaches in this area. A so called true believer can justify anything they want on their faith then go and commit some terrible crimes based on having convinced themselves that god really wants these 14 year olds to screw him so that he can continue to do the lords work without being tempted by the sins of the flesh. (Yes I did read one story of a cathloic priest saying that about why he screwed alter boys.).

Then they say that they are sorry, in private so no human can hear them and know what they did, and ask for redemption and the slate gets wiped clear. Rinse repeat.

For every religious person why actually practices what they profess to believe, compassion, tolerance, unconditional love of their fellow humans etc. I have seen dozens of true scumbags that use faith as their cover for committing some of the worst crimes around, exploiting people, especially [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) people, stealing, lying, etc. God wants me too to have a 54 million dollar jet aircraft, please send your donations to me care of ISG and I will pray for you. Our hearts and prayers go to the latest victims of the last mass school shooting in the US but we will not do anything about the underlying causes, mental health, poverty, lack of education etc.

Christianity is a good idea, someone should try it sometime.

Soapy Smith

06-02-18, 06:56

For every religious person why actually practices what they profess to believe, compassion, tolerance, unconditional love of their fellow humans etc. I have seen dozens of true scumbags that use faith as their cover for committing some of the worst crimes around About three months ago I sold a boat and motor and pop-up tent camper to a father and adult son. Dad arrived wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with "Jesus" across the front. They bargained very aggressively, and I let them go for less than they were worth because I wasn't using them and my kids were pushing me to get rid of them. The two men questioned whether the titles would clear when they went to register them and asked to hold back 15% until they cleared. They left me a phone number and assured me I could trust them because they were "good Christians. " I never heard from them again and nobody answers the phone number.

I think there's a lesson in this. We should be suspicious of people who wear their Christianity as a mantle. People who honestly live the teachings don't need to advertise it to others, because their reputation for treating other people well always precedes them.

PinaLove

06-02-18, 23:33

About three months ago I sold a boat and motor and pop-up tent camper to a father and adult son. Dad arrived wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with "Jesus" across the front. They bargained very aggressively, and I let them go for less than they were worth because I wasn't using them and my kids were pushing me to get rid of them. The two men questioned whether the titles would clear when they went to register them and asked to hold back 15% until they cleared. They left me a phone number and assured me I could trust them because they were "good Christians. " I never heard from them again and nobody answers the phone number..Sold a phone to an employee, he signed a contract to come back and pay the following month. Nothing, no money every received for that act of kindness.

Kabul Guy

06-02-18, 23:45

.....They left me a phone number and assured me I could trust them because they were "good Christians. " I never heard from them again and nobody answers the phone number.
.....If you ever caught up to them they would say, Jesus told me you were a monger and it was OK to cheat you.

Mogwai

06-03-18, 08:13

If you ever caught up to them they would say, Jesus told me you were a monger and it was OK to cheat you.I guess Jesus told that quite some pinays as well.

Kabul Guy

06-03-18, 11:03

I guess Jesus told that quite some pinays as well.He told on me too LOL.

Chocha Monger

06-03-18, 17:03

The number of times I have seen sweet bar girls that I screw wearing a condom to then see them a few months later pregnant. They go home and are happy I guess.Do not be surprised. Those sweet bar girls are fucking hundreds of guys over the course of a few months. A few guys use condoms inconsistently but the majority fuck bareback and drop their loads deep in the girls' pussies. It would be surprising for a healthy girl to take all that cum in her pussy and make it past a year without experiencing an impregnation. The girls will continue working until they are ready to return home and give birth, as many mongers have a kink for fucking pregnant girls. Many girls return to working the bars after a few months, cashing in on the lucrative market consisting of old baldies who suck breast milk from the girls' engorged tits in an attempt to regrow their hair. The girls are happy when impregnated, because they believe that every impregnation is a blessing regardless of their circumstances. Their families will take care of the babies, with each girl having at least a few pregnancies over the course of a long career in the fuck-and-suck industry. Making babies from monger daddies who hail from all over the world adds genetic diversity to the gene pool of remote rural villages. Most foreign sperm donors are unaware of their genetic contribution to a new branch on the family tree somewhere in the jungle or on a mountainside located on a backwater island.

Soapy Smith

06-03-18, 20:51

If you ever caught up to them they would say, Jesus told me you were a monger and it was OK to cheat you.So I reaped my karma? But wait, doesn't karma originate in Hinduism and other Indian religions?

Member #1088

06-03-18, 22:39

Do not be surprised. Those sweet bar girls are fucking hundreds of guys over the course of a few months. A few guys use condoms inconsistently but the majority fuck bareback and drop their loads deep in the girls' pussies. It would be surprising for a healthy girl to take all that cum in her pussy and make it past a year without experiencing an impregnation. The girls will continue working until they are ready to return home and give birth, as many mongers have a kink for fucking pregnant girls. Many girls return to working the bars after a few months, cashing in on the lucrative market consisting of old baldies who suck breast milk from the girls' engorged tits in an attempt to regrow their hair. The girls are happy when impregnated, because they believe that every impregnation is a blessing regardless of their circumstances. Their families will take care of the babies, with each girl having at least a few pregnancies over the course of a long career in the fuck-and-suck industry. Making babies from monger daddies who hail from all over the world adds genetic diversity to the gene pool of remote rural villages. Most foreign sperm donors are unaware of their genetic contribution to a new branch on the family tree somewhere in the jungle or on a mountainside located on a backwater island.Hum. Thats makes sense, some of the talent I'm finding out in the villages, seem more "anglo". Ty for the gene contributors for spicing the mix of avaialble mates.

GoodEnough

06-04-18, 01:21

So I reaped my karma? But wait, doesn't karma originate in Hinduism and other Indian religions?Soapy, I think it's likely a mistake to seek consistency of argument on this forum, where often logic is not a strongpoint. However, in a world where Trump is a "true believer," and millions of people sell oleaginous television preachers millions of dollars to buy private jets, and so-called evangelical Christians fervently support a sexual predator, I guess that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. ".

GE.

PedroMorales

06-04-18, 05:18

Talking with the guys by the pool today when I notice water trickling from one of them to the concrete below. I call his attention to it. He is having a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) but is too lazy to even stand up, never mind go to the toilet just beside or even to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the pool like most of them do. I have scoped out two good bars in Perimeter Road, free samples on the couch and rooms upstairs. It might be a case of industrial grade condoms.

Kabul Guy

06-04-18, 07:07

..... However, in a world where Trump is a "true believer," and millions of people sell oleaginous television preachers millions of dollars to buy private jets, and so-called evangelical Christians fervently support a sexual predator, I guess that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. ".

GE.That sort of shit really only happens in the USA. (At least out of the first world countries.).

WestCoast1

06-04-18, 14:51

That sort of shit really only happens in the USA. (At least out of the first world countries.).True. Well, so far.

Soapy Smith

06-05-18, 07:49

Soapy, I think it's likely a mistake to seek consistency of argument on this forum, where often logic is not a strongpoint. I do frequently try to assemble logical arguments here where they're not necessarily appreciated. I acknowledge that it's a fool's errand. But in this case I was just being a smartass, and I sensed that KG was as well.

However, in a world where Trump is a "true believer," and millions of people sell oleaginous television preachers millions of dollars to buy private jets, and so-called evangelical Christians fervently support a sexual predator, I guess that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. " GE. I think Emerson's idea was essentially correct, as is your illustration of it. Sadly, I think that people supposedly possessed of bigger minds also sometimes fall into the trap of foolish consistency. I have some illustrations in mind but, in the interest of avoiding a "logical" discussion unrelated to screwing Filipinas, I won't take up any further bandwidth with it in the forum.

D Cups

06-05-18, 18:03

I have met some nice ones on FC but not nearly as good as the ones I used to meet on Date In Asia which I got kicked out of for someone unknown reason. I know I could re-register DIA with a different name / address but what a hassle. Anyway the trouble with these websites is 1) the attractive Filipina frequently uses the site to solicit internet video sex for pay which I suppose is ok if that's your thing (but I rather do it in real) and 2) man, there are some really ugly old broads on FC who try to hit you up. Case in point, a 68 year Filipina recently hit me up and she was as ugly as sin. My "requirements" are quite explicit. Normally I would just delete / ignore but this time my response to her was do you have any beautiful granddaughters or great granddaughters? Some Filipinas age very well but not this one. Happy hunting, gents. Keep doing the young ones to make you feel young again. Nothing like sweet young poontang to make your day. If you see any slim busty ones keep those referrals coming fellas.

Member #1088

06-06-18, 00:56

Member #1088

06-06-18, 00:58

Sammon

06-06-18, 03:08

I have met some nice ones on FC but not nearly as good as the ones I used to meet on Date In Asia which I got kicked out of for someone unknown reason. I know I could re-register DIA with a different name / address but what a hassle. Nothing like sweet young poontang to make your day. If you see any slim busty ones keep those referrals coming fellas.I got kicked out of DIA no less than 6 times. Always used different phone numbers and e mail addresses to open new accounts.

Met great girls from cities as well as provinces and had great time including 3 virgins from the provinces.

I believe I got kicked out because I was nasty to ladyboys who pretended to be real girls. I met couple thinking they are girls only to find out they are ladyboys on meeting. Generally girls do not complain about you. What I understand now is dateinasia checks your messages before they kick you out. Previously more than certain numbers of complaints will kick you out.

Plenty of girls in dateinasia of all ages. Moment they agree to come to your room means sex is on the table.

ForkTruck

06-06-18, 03:57

I got kicked out of DIA no less than 6 times. Always used different phone numbers and e mail addresses to open new accounts.I also was kicked out two weeks ago for unknown to me reason (s). One girl was getting very suggestive in her texts to me although I was not responding in kind. That may have done it. Anyway, I just wrote them and asked to please be reinstated. I didn't have a document so I just attached a photo of me to at least have something in the box. In 24 hours I was notified I was back in. No idea why was outed or let back in, must be some kind of computer check, not a human looking at it.

D Cups

06-06-18, 14:19

No such luck, 1088. Still, I am amazed at the Filipinas general willingness to share their hot girlfriends with you.

Well did she has granddaughters or great grandaughters that you could enjoy?

I had a similar but she refer me to the great niece. I did have a good time with her grandniece.

Member #4566

06-06-18, 17:04

In a world where Trump is a "true believer," and so-called evangelical Christians fervently support a sexual predator, I guess that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. ". GE.Although in-apropos but analogously constructed, I also like Dr. Johnson's quote, "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. " But more to the point, to which sexual predator are you referring: Roy Moore of Alabama, Bill Clinton, or that "true believer" and fellow mongerer, Trump the strumpet chasing president? The Bard wrote, "Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. " Do we all agree with this paraphrase, "mongering makes strange bedfellows?" Perhaps the Donald has an ISG account in which he shares his exploits and offers advise. We know his penchant for trenchant bursts of wisdom on social media. Who among us may be he? Will the real Donald Trump please stand up.

Sammon

06-06-18, 21:04

I also was kicked out two weeks ago for unknown to me reason (s). One girl was getting very suggestive in her texts to me although I was not responding in kind. That may have done it. Anyway, I just wrote them and asked to please be reinstated. I didn't have a document so I just attached a photo of me to at least have something in the box. In 24 hours I was notified I was back in. No idea why was outed or let back in, must be some kind of computer check, not a human looking at it.Couple of years ago you would never ever will be allowed to get back your account. Nowadays irrespective who complains they physically check your messages to see if you have broken the rules. If it is not serious they will let you back in.

Member #1088

06-06-18, 21:04

No such luck, 1088. Still, I am amazed at the Filipinas general willingness to share their hot girlfriends with you.I think is was more of a "need". They were having financial issues. I think in the old lady mind, she thought maybe her grandniece can capture me as a long term financial provider to the whole family. Her grandnice was ok, but too shy, even when she cum she was shy to cum stronger, I had to encourage to let it go of her timid and express herself as she felt heaven coming.

I took 3 days but at the end she could "express herself" very louad and strong.

I hope to see her again in my trip next year. She told she is ready to try 3 some. She has cousin who she claimed never had BF, LOL, problably no true, but I like the pic of her cousin, she looks good.

Member #1088

06-06-18, 22:54

Couple of years ago you would never ever will be allowed to get back your account. Nowadays irrespective who complains they physically check your messages to see if you have broken the rules. If it is not serious they will let you back in.For me they tell me I send same introductory message too many times. Is a manner of numbers, the more you connect, the more chance you get to score.

But I can't write a diff message for everyone. No enough time.

Kabul Guy

06-06-18, 23:20

...: Roy Moore of Alabama, Bill Clinton, or that "true believer" and fellow mongerer, Trump the strumpet chasing president? ...Three examples of power corrupting.

What I find interesting is that the support for what they did fell strictly along party lines.

Clinton was defended by the Dems and vilified by the GOP for lying about a BJ in the Oval Office.

Trump was defended by the GOP and vilified by the Dems for his sexual behaviors.

Kabul Guy

06-06-18, 23:27

For me they tell me I send same introductory message too many times. Is a manner of numbers, the more you connect, the more chance you get to score.

But I can't write a diff message for everyone. No enough time.I'm not on DIA but I do use the same intro message. Basically says here I am let's chat. I actually have a keyboard shortcut with that message in QuickTextPaste so I can simply hot key it.

To me the first message is simply to say I'm here, are you interested in starting the chat? I don't bother customizing it for each lady, unless there is something that stands out in her profile. I use a slightly different one for Tinder since she has already right swiped me and I assume that she wants the conservation. It's on a different QuickTextPaste hot key combination.

Soapy Smith

06-07-18, 06:35

Perhaps the Donald has an ISG account in which he shares his exploits and offers advise. We know his penchant for trenchant bursts of wisdom on social media. No, he has Michael Cohen and other associates to handle background for his exploits. I have not observed this trenchant wisdom.

Mahaba

06-09-18, 20:15

I agree with Tagalog2016. You need to go in with your eyes open and understand the environment.

I have been visiting since 1976. The only thing that has changed since then is some paved roads and the currency exchange rate.

When I was a young sailor in Olongapo I had no idea what was going on so I made all the usual mistakes to include a one year failed marriage to a "regular girl". Like they say, "you can take the girl out of the PI, but you can't take the PI out of the girl".

I go now to have fun, stay in a nice hotel, BS with the girls, have a few "dates" and say good-bye. If I was looking for a "relationship" it would need to be with someone on equal economic terms, otherwise, as was noted below, it would be all about the money.

My next trip will be a "Date in Asia" trip, as the bar girl scene in Angeles seems to have gone downhill based on what I have been reading in this forum.

Few hundreds professional women which you refer to still could fit in my definition taking into account hundreds of thousands WGs which you didn't mention.

I know some pinays with good office job, whom I can call a professional in their business, which still doesn't bother them to cheat foreigners. After work she could skype with her daddy sponsor, who visits her twice a year and after sweet "buy bye baby, I love you", she login DIA immediately to arrange fucking with a monger, who will come at her city next week. I know pro WG from Cebu, who is office worker in one quite reputable company. She says, she enjoys her lifestyle and nobody at work knows about her second work after hours.

FYI I am not a pinoy, but I have enough experience to conclude about Filipinas. You may have different point of view, and I won't dispute. This is a forum to share different opinions.

Sammon

06-09-18, 23:31

Mr Enternational

06-10-18, 00:10

I have been with teachers, nurses, office girls, travel agent, hotel workers etc. But all did not say o to money offered. Unless you find much older ladies economically all young girls are poor. If you marry thinking you do not need to support her family think twice.That is ridiculous. I would not say no to money offered either. If I went to my dad or my daughter and offered money then they would take it too. You offering is not the same as them asking or them expecting.

If you think you should have to support someone's family because you married them then you are crazy. If they want their family supported then they get a job, take care of the responibilities in your household however you decide to divvy them up, then they are free to send whatever they want to their family. There are no free rides. And whoever is giving out free rides is a damn fool (unless they are giving the free ride to me.) I would not work my ass off to take care of someone else's freeloading family.

Red Kilt

06-10-18, 06:10

I would not work my ass off to take care of someone else's freeloading family.The theory is very clear, but sometimes it doesn't work out.

Guys talk about going into relationships with a clear stipulation that they will not pay ANYTHING towards the girl's family, no matter what happens, and then the whole plan crashes and burns with the following scenario (true story).

The girl's sister (with 3 kids all aged 7 or under), is found to have a serious myoma and undergoes an operation. Recovers successfully, and is ready to go home. Hospital / Surgeon bill comes to 48,000 php. Local pollitician stumps up 10,000 php; family and friends scrounge another 10,000 php from various sources leaving 28,000 shortfall. The sister cannot leave the hospital until bill is paid.

Please dear rich brother-in-law, can you provide 28,000 php so the sister can return home to her small brood?

What do you do? The family has never asked for anything prior to this event.

This scenario, as I said earlier, is a true story. The take-away is that once you get serious about a woman then you have to factor in all sorts of things occurring in the extended family, even if they are hard-working, loyal people with no history of free-loading at all.

Wicked Roger

06-10-18, 06:31

Mr Enternational

06-10-18, 07:08

Please dear rich brother-in-law, can you provide 28,000 php so the sister can return home to her small brood?

What do you do? The family has never asked for anything prior to this event.

This scenario, as I said earlier, is a true story. The take-away is that once you get serious about a woman then you have to factor in all sorts of things occurring in the extended family, even if they are hard-working, loyal people with no history of free-loading at all.LOL. RK I am a hard nut to crack when it comes to giving out money. Sob stories (no matter how true they may be) just do not get me to loosen purse strings. I guess my money is not as easy to come by as other's. See I think of all those sleepless nights I had studying, doing research, and doing reports and projects. Not to mentional all the money that I STILL owe for school. I think about those early mornings that I have to wake up at sometimes 3:30am for work and the days that I have been working all night.

My daughter just had twins out of wedlock. I pleaded with her to not have the kids although I love them so much. But I understood the shit that lied ahead. So she had fair warning but made HER decision. 5 months later when she is going through all kind of shit with the guy she asked me for $150 to register my grandkids in school. Sure. No problem. But do understand that is your Mother's Day gift. She understood and said there are sacrifices when you must make when you are a parent. I am a firm believer in if you make your bed you are the one that has to lie in it. You can not expect others to foot the bill for the things that you are going through in life and the choices that you make.

Sure I will give my kid random money every now and then, but that is only when I feel like it. You know the reason why I only had 1 kid? Because I didn't want to take care of any more! So I will be damned if I am taking care of my wife's or girlfriend's family or family's problems. I told my daughter that the best day of my life was the day she was born, and the second best day was the day she turned 18 and the final payment was taken out of my check.

Mogwai

06-10-18, 08:06

Sob stories (no matter how true they may be) just do not get me to loosen purse strings. RK's sample 'sob story' was a true story. So even in this case, even when you can check with your own eyes that the sister is in hospital, you would not give any money?

Mr Enternational

06-10-18, 08:47

RK's sample 'sob story' was a true story. So even in this case, even when you can check with your own eyes that the sister is in hospital, you would not give any money?I know it was a true story, but Mogwai that is not my responsibility. If I was out here trying to help everyone that needed it, then I would be the one needing it!

Chocha Monger

06-10-18, 09:39

The theory is very clear, but sometimes it doesn't work out.

Guys talk about going into relationships with a clear stipulation that they will not pay ANYTHING towards the girl's family, no matter what happens, and then the whole plan crashes and burns with the following scenario (true story).

The girl's sister (with 3 kids all aged 7 or under), is found to have a serious myoma and undergoes an operation. Recovers successfully, and is ready to go home. Hospital / Surgeon bill comes to 48,000 php. Local pollitician stumps up 10,000 php; family and friends scrounge another 10,000 php from various sources leaving 28,000 shortfall..I experienced a similar situation. The girl's dear mama was hemorrhaging from the pussy and needed surgery to remove her womb. The bill was a bit over P100,000 and I was asked for P50,000. I gave P0. 00, as it was not my responsibility. They figured it out between Phil Health, 2 OFW daughters, other relatives, politicians, and religious charities.

Asking the foreigner to pay is the easy and lazy way out. The foreigner is unlikely to get any sort of gratitude out of picking up the bill. In fact, he will open himself up to future requests for cash once other Flips get word that he is a soft target. Mongers just need to harden the fuck up! If it is not a wife or biological offspring, then there is no obligation to pick up the bill. Once the foreigner opens his eyes and realizes that Flips will not pick up the bill for him, saying no to their desperate pleas for cash is very easy.

Furthermore, if the foreigner is supporting the girl in the relationship that is already enough, especially if she is getting a college education out of it. When she graduates, she can work and give as much of her salary as she wants to her family. Setting oneself up, as a ready source of cash for Flips in crisis is a bad idea, as it can lead to unintended consequences for the foreigner. The heroes who just cannot resist reaching into their pockets to save them will disagree. Just remember marrying a Filipina does not make you part of her family. You are still a foreigner and a walking ATM in their eyes. Any doubts, just read my post on the Aussie widower who repatriated the corpse of his Filipina wife, gave her family money, and tried to build a house to live near to them. He was forced to skedaddle in a hurry to sound of gunfire after his brother-in-law fleeced him for all he was worth.

Red Kilt

06-10-18, 09:49

I know it was a true story, but Mogwai that is not my responsibility. If I was out here trying to help everyone that needed it, then I would be the one needing it!I can see why Mr E might walk away or say No if it was some random acquaintance he had met or even a close friend.

It is another thing entirely if you have formed a close relationship with the woman and this happens within her family. In this latter case, if one turns one's back and walks away, then there is likely no chance of going back and the relationship will be over.

Mogwai

06-10-18, 10:11

I know it was a true story, but Mogwai that is not my responsibility. If I was out here trying to help everyone that needed it, then I would be the one needing it!I agree if it is just a random acquaintance. However RK was asking what you would do if you were the brother-in-law in his example.

Mr Enternational

06-10-18, 11:23

It is another thing entirely if you have formed a close relationship with the woman and this happens within her family. In this latter case, if one turns one's back and walks away, then there is likely no chance of going back and the relationship will be over.Not true at all. Well maybe true for someone that is with you for your financial resources. There are many women that I have close relationships with. Mind you these are normal women that I don't OFFER money to. But when the time has come that they really needed and I said no, guess where they went? Nowhere. Still good friends and have good relationships with them and could pop up at their house anytime and they will roll out the red carpet.

Contrast that to a call center chick that I was boinking in AC or even a married Pinay that I was dealing with in Thailand. Both chicks asked me to buy them a phone. I told both chicks no. Never heard from either again. Maybe it's just a Filipino thing for the relationship to be contingent on whether your money goes in the direction of them or their family.

This is a chick that I have been dealing with in Manila for years. You think she is going anywhere? And even if she was, I would just wish her good luck. A couple of months later she would be back to sending messages and naked pictures and asking me to bring her a new vibrator next time I come.

This is why I don't share the same attitude about women that guys who say they have gotten screwed over in marriages and shit have. When I was married, me and my wife kept our money separate. Like I said, we decided who would be responsible for shit we had together and after that you could do want you wanted with your hard earned money. When we split up there was no bitterness and we remained friends for years after.

What you are describing sounds less about whether someone turns their back and walks away and more like if they don't fork over their hard earned money when they are told/expected to. I never set a precedent to get myself caught up in such situations.

D Cups

06-10-18, 14:28

Maybe it's just a Filipino thing for the relationship to be contingent on whether your money goes in the direction of them or their family.I have been dating a beautiful 22 year old Cebuana for several years now. When I say dating I mean I see her once or twice when I go to Cebu once or twice a year. The poor thing lost her father about two years ago and has three or four little sisters and one little brother neither of whom work. The mother also does not work. I don't know how they survive. So I would send her maybe $50/ month sometimes more out of pity and told her to get a job a gazillion times. She gets a job and promptly quits always with a stupid excuse. So I guess I am one of those stupid internet sugar daddies you read about here. For all I know I am just one of several guys she is playing.

Recently I told her I can't send any more money because she refuses to get a job. I tell her when I was 22 I was already working for seven years while paying for college which I graduated from. So she bombards me with emails and skype messages begging, pleading, crying, etc. All of which I have been ignoring for the past week. So now she tells me she hates me all because I stopped sending her money. I don't mind helping someone but they have to help themselves. If I was there and she was fucking me regularly I might feel differently. My friends tell me she doesn't work because I am her job, her source of money and certainly I have been too generous for far too long. Enough is enough. The whole situation is a recipe for disaster which I am now glad to be out of.

When I move to PI in 2022 (probably Dumaguete area) I want to find an educated (college graduate) from a family of some means, preferably a nurse or a doctor or even a flight attendant to settle down with in my golden years. I'm old (62) but not ugly and a helluva nice guy, a romantic indeed but I'm tired of being played but this particular pretty young thing with no ambition other than to bleed me dry. I guess I'm one of of the guys Choca Monger writes about but I finally wised up. Thank God I didn't impregnate her. Be careful guys. There are a lot of really sweet but poor Filipinas who are trying to make the best of their situation but this one is not trying hard enough. Arrmchair "shrinks" feel free to sound off if you've been through similar scenario.

Soapy Smith

06-10-18, 15:48

DC, I don't think 2500 pesos a month goes very far in sustaining a single Filipina, let alone a family. Unless, as you suggest, she has other sources of support.

Aren't your tactics for seeking out D-cup susos and sex on demand sort of at odds with your goal of a doctor, nurse, or flight attendant to settle down with? Those women have their choice of high status Filipinos, and they don't hang out in the same places as the sex on tap women. Why would they marry an American in his sixties?

If you are worried about impregnation, have you considered a vasectomy? If you were to find your true love tomorrow and impregnate her the next day, you'd be 81 by the time the kid is ready to go off to college. What kind of father will you be to the kid at that point in her / his life when the father is perhaps most important? My point is that at your age, maybe your baby-making days are over, and you and your partners would all breathe easier if you were to get snipped. There are nay-sayers who are sure that vasectomies somehow diminish pleasure, but a number of us have weighed in to report that it's just the opposite.

Sammon

06-10-18, 16:15

I was supporting many girls over the years. Maybe stupidity on my part but some girls benefitted from that. Only one girl got out of AC with me help who was 18 and a virgin. I was giving her 10000 pesos per month for her to go to college. I checked with the college all the time. After she finished school and found a job I stopped. By that time she was older and I was after younger girls. But the sob stories still came which I ignored. Now she is married with a kid. She wants to meet me one last time but I resisted the temptation.

There were other girls from provinces who I supported without asking any questions. 3 of them are now living abroad. 2 married to uk guys and one in Norway. 2 of them were virgins when I met them.

My outlay was 10000 to 20000 per month with many girls in different places. This way I could avoid AC altogether on my trips. And no bargirls. I would still go to LA cafe but tell the girls I am there to chill and my GF in my room. Advantages are they were squeaky clean and I did not need to worry. I made sure they were taking pills so that I do not get them pregnant. They need to start a month before I come and stop a month after I leave. 2 girls in middle east having jobs.

There is no way of knowing how much of the money is going to their family.

On stopping payments I always blamed it on my bank saying they are watching my transactions and USA government is very strict. It is a good excuse because demands stopped quickly instead of dragging on and causing ill will. I always say maybe I can send them money while in Philippines but never let them know I am there.

Irrespective of where the money went I am glad that I tried to change some girls lives and it was not a lifelong support. Enjoyed the girls well too. Nowadays a trip to Angeles I believe will cost more than 40000 pesos for a week.

D Cups

06-10-18, 16:19

Wicked Roger

06-10-18, 18:22

I was supporting many girls over the years. Maybe stupidity on my part but some girls benefitted from that. Only one girl got out of AC with me help who was 18 and a virgin. I was giving her 10000 pesos per month for her to go to college. I checked with the college all the time. After she finished school and found a job I stopped.

My outlay was 10000 to 20000 per month with many girls in different places. This way I could avoid AC altogether on my trips. And no bargirls. I would still go to LA cafe but tell the girls I am there to chill and my GF in my room. Advantages are they were squeaky clean and I did not need to worry. I made sure they were taking pills so that I do not get them pregnant. They need to start a month before I come and stop a month after I leave. 2 girls in middle east having jobs.

Irrespective of where the money went I am glad that I tried to change some girls lives and it was not a lifelong support. Enjoyed the girls well too. Nowadays a trip to Angeles I believe will cost more than 40000 pesos for a week.One other way Sammon is to deposit the fees into the university bank account which is what I did. No way I would send the cash unless the bank itself made some issues etc. That way I knew the semester costs (always get the official assessment gents) and could control. Once they have graduated and found a job it all disappeared as yours did. Thought the jobs paid way less than your contributions.

Am sure any spare cash goes to the family. This is in the DNA sadly. They prefer to starve so mom / dad / cousins have cash. All tell me they want a job to support their parents no thought (mostly) to their need or long term plans. One OFW is supporting the entire larger family group (IE the greedy relative) from her sales job in Dubai. Is not possible given their greedy demands, her needs pay the school fees an the cost of living in the UAE. Guess what she does in her off days and when she is on early shift? Hint. Gives a mean BBBJ LOL.

Mr Enternational

06-10-18, 18:34

If I was there and she was fucking me regularly I might feel differently.No you wouldn't D. You would just go find another one same place that one came from that might be a little more appreciative for shit and understands what you are saying about helping themselves.

One thing is just as sure as shit. As they age they become less marketable. So they better try to cash in on it while they have youth. Seen too many chicks in Thailand that thought they were hot shit in the clubs a few years ago, and now they are in the streets pushing food carts.

For us, life gets better because we have more money. A guy asked on facebook the other day, if you knew then what you know now, where would you be? I said broke. Because back then I wouldn't have been able to handle shit like I do now. I would have gone broke messing around with all these hoes. Now I have vision and want position myself to be able to mess with these hoes forever instead of the short-sightedness I would have had when I was younger.

Chocha Monger

06-10-18, 23:22

Not true at all. Well maybe true for someone that is with you for your financial resources. There are many women that I have close relationships with. Mind you these are normal women that I don't OFFER money to. But when the time has come that they really needed and I said no, guess where they went? Nowhere. Still good friends and have good relationships with them and could pop up at their house anytime and they will roll out the red carpet.

Contrast that to a call center chick that I was boinking in AC or even a married Pinay that I was dealing with in Thailand. Both chicks asked me to buy them a phone. I told both chicks no. Never heard from either again. Maybe it's just a Filipino thing for the relationship to be contingent on whether your money goes in the direction of them or their family..If the Filipina tells the foreign husband / boyfriend to pick up the bill for her relatives expenses, and she decides to end the relationship because he did not do as she told him, that tells him the relationship was purely financial with him playing the role of a vassal for pussy access. It was never a romantic relationship on her part, as she clearly saw it as a financial arrangement that ended when the money was not forthcoming.

When Filipinas depart because their walking ATM refused to dispense cash to her family, it is a good thing because the relationship was not real. It was one of financial convenience, and the sooner the foreigner figures it out the better. Filipino men say that foreign men give too much to Filipinas without getting anything in return, and they choose Filipinas whose primary concern is the economic survival of their family.

As Mr. E. said, once the precedence is set that the guy pays on demand, the relationship will last only as long as he keeps paying for her relative's misfortunes, wants, and needs. When he stops paying, she will stop playing. A parasitic relationship with a Pinay ends when the foreigner goes broke, becomes unwilling to continue feeding the growing appetite of the parasite, or a more rewarding host comes along.

In any case, it does not make sense for the guy to collapse under her financial demands, as he is clearly attempting to retain the sexual services and loyalty of an economic mercenary with a pussy. Any love lost is purely an illusion on his part.

Member #1088

06-11-18, 18:47

If the Filipina tells the foreign husband / boyfriend to pick up the bill for her relatives expenses, and she decides to end the relationship because he did not do as she told him, that tells him the relationship was purely financial with him playing the role of a vassal for pussy access. It was never a romantic relationship on her part, as she clearly saw it as a financial arrangement that ended when the money was not forthcoming.

When Filipinas depart because their walking ATM refused to dispense cash to her family, it is a good thing because the relationship was not real. It was one of financial convenience, and the sooner the foreigner figures it out the better. Filipino men say that foreign men give too much to Filipinas without getting anything in return, and they choose Filipinas whose primary concern is the economic survival of their family.

As Mr. E. said, once the precedence is set that the guy pays on demand, the relationship will last only as long as he keeps paying for her relative's misfortunes, wants, and needs. When he stops paying, she will stop playing. A parasitic relationship with a Pinay ends when the foreigner goes broke, becomes unwilling to continue feeding the growing appetite of the parasite, or a more rewarding host comes along.

In any case, it does not make sense for the guy to collapse under her financial demands, as he is clearly attempting to retain the sexual services and loyalty of an economic mercenary with a pussy. Any love lost is purely an illusion on his part.I think if we go with our eyes WIDE open, we won't be surprised.

I think by 20 they are really to in the know in how to control their foreigner guy.

I started to talk to this lady in manila, she wants only love in our first chat, she said she is not interested in support or financial help with her school which she brought up right away when we chatted.

She claimed to be virgin.

I told her I was not interested, because I wanted an open minded friend, she changed and said if I treat her right, she can give me all I want even so she is virgin, she will learn from me how to make me happy every day many times per day.

Hum. I said, ok, lets talk, I call her in the phone, and one thing let to other, and she I teach her how to learn self joy, (which she said, she never done), doing a few more times, she got very excited and claimed she push too deep and took her virginity for me. She even claimed she had blood on her fingers (maybe her red time?

Anyway, I said ok, next time she found a way not to be online, the following day she talk that she will accept any help with her school and she wanted to cam with me.

Again, she did all and show all.

Today, she is angry becuase I can send her help until wed and refuses to cam again.

Well one thing lead to another, then she broke it off, talking about bad karma and how she lost her virg and got nothing. Hum.

At the very end, she said she will get her grandmom to curse me, this is after telling me that she goes to church every Sunday and is very religious in the begining of our first conversation.

So I think by 18 or 19, they are the experts, in how to extract money and use intimate things as a way to control the man.

Hope everyone has better luck.

D Cups

06-11-18, 18:49

No you wouldn't D. You would just go find another one same place that one came from that might be a little more appreciative for shit and understands what you are saying about helping themselves.

One thing is just as sure as shit. As they age they become less marketable. .Well, not exactly the same place because I'm no longer allowed on DIA but I get your drift, Mr. E. No worries, I always have a number of back-ups. Yes, all broads have an "expiration date" of sorts. I rarely do women over 35; and prefer the 22 - 32 bracket. 18 - 22 don't always know what they're doing sexually although they are cute; and the older ones (mid-thirties plus), well, most have become jaded, motherhood or plugged by so many dicks that their pussy is no longer tight. Obviously YMMV fellow mongers. Cheers, buddy.

Chocha Monger

06-12-18, 00:46

I think if we go with our eyes WIDE open, we won't be surprised.

I think by 20 they are really to in the know in how to control their foreigner guy.

I started to talk to this lady in manila, she wants only love in our first chat, she said she is not interested in support or financial help with her school which she brought up right away when we chatted.

She claimed to be virgin.

I told her I was not interested, because I wanted an open minded friend, she changed and said if I treat her right, she can give me all I want even so she is virgin, she will learn from me how to make me happy every day many times per day..Well, you should not feel guilty about taking her virginity. The finger that broke her cherry was actually a Pinoy cock, belonging to her trike driver boyfriend. All she got from him in return was a pussy full of sperms. LOL!

Her finger takes her virginity several times a day on behalf of dozens of internet boyfriends who wire her cash to help with her studies. She makes good money online getting horny suckers to pay her to finger herself and take her virginity. Just imagine how nice it would be to have people paying you to jerk off, and take your virginity a few times a day. She has a nice business model selling fantasies to perverts dreaming of fucking virgins from all over the world, and the only fella she actually fucks is her Pinoy trike driver boyfriend. LOL!

Online scammer Filipinas are not experts at extracting cash, their victims are just soft delusional walking penises and very gullible. LOL! First, when a Flip says that she does not want money only love, it means that she wants money desperately and is willing to lie and steal to get it. The expert scammers know never to bring up the topic of money. They let the monger's penis do that for them, after he is infatuated and jerking off thinking about getting that little brown pussy. He will believe that it was all his idea to send the money. LOL!

Online scammer girls are all religious and attending mass, praying at least three times a day. Yet, no problems to promise fornication and finger their pussies for horny strangers on the internet. LOL! I share my sins and temptations with them too, as I am a good and religious fella too. Why is my cock in her pussy, ass, and mouth? Lucifer made us do it of course! We are not to blame. LOL!

Member #1088

06-12-18, 13:13

Well, you should not feel guilty about taking her virginity. The finger that broke her cherry was actually a Pinoy cock, belonging to her trike driver boyfriend. All she got from him in return was a pussy full of sperms. LOL!

Her finger takes her virginity several times a day on behalf of dozens of internet boyfriends who wire her cash to help with her studies. She makes good money online getting horny suckers to pay her to finger herself and take her virginity. Just imagine how nice it would be to have people paying you to jerk off, and take your virginity a few times a day. She has a nice business model selling fantasies to perverts dreaming of fucking virgins from all over the world, and the only fella she actually fucks is her Pinoy trike driver boyfriend. LOL!

Online scammer Filipinas are not experts at extracting cash, their victims are just soft delusional walking penises and very gullible. LOL! First, when a Flip says that she does not want money only love, it means that she wants money desperately and is willing to lie and steal to get it. The expert scammers know never to bring up the topic of money. They let the monger's penis do that for them, after he is infatuated and jerking off thinking about getting that little brown pussy. He will believe that it was all his idea to send the money. LOL!

Online scammer girls are all religious and attending mass, praying at least three times a day. Yet, no problems to promise fornication and finger their pussies for horny strangers on the internet. LOL! I share my sins and temptations with them too, as I am a good and religious fella too. Why is my cock in her pussy, ass, and mouth? Lucifer made us do it of course! We are not to blame. LOL!I never laugh so hard, lo LOL LOL, how about the grandmom curse /.