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Traveler1234
08-05-06, 19:20
From Mr. G himself
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Traveler1234
08-05-06, 19:24
Stay away from this MP, it is a rip-off joint.
Taxi drivers are notorious for taking you there, getting commission, you get overcharged.
Read on for more details:
477112
Mona Lisa, New Petchaburi Road. Same for the Taxi charges.
(In this particular case a bit of more common sense would have already helped.)
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M P Lurker
08-17-06, 13:31
Mona Lisa, New Petchaburi Road. Same for the Taxi charges.
(In this particular case a bit of more common sense would have already helped.)
492885Mona Lisa is quite O.K. for me.
New tourists will get ripped off of course.
But knowing the prices and the girls helps.
Traveler1234
08-21-06, 20:04
This is a place you SHOULD VISIT (not avoid!) and if all possible meet up with Mr. G for some sound common sense advice and tips.
I am listing here because if you read through his updates, it will give excellent reports/comments/suggestions on where not to go as well as the normal recommended spots. For newbies, besides reading the FAQ thread and the Reports of Distinction, this is a must read:
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Mona Lisa, New Petchaburi Road. Same for the Taxi charges.
(In this particular case a bit of more common sense would have already helped.)
492885
Sorry, but this isn't quite fair to Mona Lisa. Yes, they upcharge tourists (as do many places). But you got taken because, as your post acknowledges, you simply didn't do your homework. That could have happened anywhere. If you hunt around, you'll find many (including me) who went to Mona Lisa enjoyed the experience - why give the impression to others that there is sometheing especially to be avoided at this one place when the real problem is just not knowing what you were doing?
Sorry, but this isn't quite fair to Mona Lisa. Yes, they upcharge tourists (as do many places). But you got taken because, as your post acknowledges, you simply didn't do your homework. That could have happened anywhere. If you hunt around, you'll find many (including me) who went to Mona Lisa enjoyed the experience - why give the impression to others that there is sometheing especially to be avoided at this one place when the real problem is just not knowing what you were doing?All places that upcharge tourists are to be avoided in my eyes. Yes, there are many. And if you had read carefully you would have noticed that it was not me being ripped off there. After reading that I went there to check it out, pretending not to know. They tried it with me too, so I left.
And I still stand behind that this place belongs here. Newbies can avoid to be ripped off through my post. If experienced members wish to patronize it, they know anyway what they do.
Here we have another prove: 498967
All places that upcharge tourists are to be avoided in my eyes. Yes, there are many. And if you had read carefully you would have noticed that it was not me being ripped off there. After reading that I went there to check it out, pretending not to know. They tried it with me too, so I left.
And I still stand behind that this place belongs here. Newbies can avoid to be ripped off through my post. If experienced members wish to patronize it, they know anyway what they do.
Here we have another prove: 498967
Tiger, I apologize for the confusion -- indeed, you were referring to someone else's post, and had reported your research on Mona Lisa earlier (I had read it, but I forgot when reading this one).
I'm not interested in a flame war, but I do have a different point of view that I will share for what it's worth.
Given the points you make, and the postings your refer to (both Harry Dude's and John05's), someone may well come to a different conclusion. Harry Dude admits that if he had read the forum, he would not have fallen into this predicament (and he didn't need a list of places to avoid to know how to deal with this situation). And John05 mentions Mona Lisa, but also says "Many of the MPs will ripp you of for 1000 Baht for the taxi driver and simply because you are a "rich" farung." That doesn't sound like grounds to simply avoid those places, for as Meaty also says "You could probably count on one hand the number of MP's that wouldn't try to get more than the going rate from us." (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=487490&postcount=1598)
Almost any mongering activity in Thailand or just about anywhere else has some danger of being ripped off... but I certainly wouldn't suggest to a newbie that he simply avoid a place where the service can be quite good and the price will be corrected for those who know what's up. He needs to inform himself and then go out and have a good time.
As to the taxi drivers - it has been repeated many times here on the various forums to avoid giving the exact address to drivers when you go to the MPs if you don't want to drive up the price of admission to include his commission. I had that experience the first time I went to Bangkok many years ago (before there was a forum to read). Even when just traveling around the city on business or tourism, the drivers (some, not all - I met some perfectly nice and honest drivers) will charge too much if they think you are ignorant (I had one tell me there was an automatic 100 baht nighttime charge - I thanked him and got out. The next driver simply turned on the meter and treated me with respect).
So I would prefer to help people know what's up than to advise them to avoid a place they might actually enjoy. That was the spirit of my message.
Stew2,
Yes, I am with you on this one.
That's why I don't like this thread.
Giotto
I get your point. So we should ask Jackson to rename the thread: "Potential rip off places" and rewrite all our posts.
Member #2041
08-25-06, 02:04
I think Mars ought to be on this list, given the disagreeable nature of all of the citizenry (plural) that we've encountered thus far. At least it's still a bloody planet, which is more than I can say for Pluto.
Traveler1234
08-25-06, 02:09
I think both sides have a fair point of view.
However, since there many other 'good' places to visit, eg Giotto's, Monet on Soi 33 (and the list goes on), I personally don't think we're doing any fellow mongers an injustice when we post a site on this thread.
The operators of the places we list might feel otherwise but I don't think they'll be financially hurt by a few of us.
IMHO
I could imagine circumstances in which people are usefully advised to avoid certain places. For example, I once made the mistake of going to a "live sex show" place in London, which turned out to be a total extortion job - no live show and they tried to get me to fork over a lot of money before letting me leave because a girl had sat next to me for 3 minutes (with no previous information that there would be a charge). I had to physically force my way out under some threat of violence in order to avoid just handing my wallet over to the thug. I was cewrtainly naive going in and not knowing what was up. I would have appreciated prior warning to simply avoid going there.
But that is an unusual kind of case where there is little or no value to be attained and only a cost. In other kinds of situation I think it would be better to advise people about the real information they need rather than just advising them to avoid.
So I would not necessarily urge elimination of this category, if there really are places that offer no value even when well-informed. But I would urge a lot of caution in posting a place for people to simply avoid.
And I agree with Member #2041's comment about Mars - mean people and racist comments offer little of value that I can see!
M P Lurker
08-27-06, 00:51
I get your point. So we should ask Jackson to rename the thread: "Potential rip off places" and rewrite all our posts.I agree with PauloThai that this thread ought to be ditched.
Or considering the disagreement generated, merge with "Fight Club".
Its just too much of a negative outlook.
Failing that, a rename to "Bad experiences that others might learn from" would be better.
The only places really worth ovoiding are like where your life is in danger, there is an over-powering foul stench, disease, drugs, terrorists, gem dealers (joking) etc.
LittleBigMan
08-27-06, 02:23
LBM, agree's that maybe this thread should be changed or deleted completely.
Everyone pays their dues no matter how many times they have been to LOS or live there year round! One can have a great time at one location and another it would be terrible. Take Annie's it's not the greatest but I had my first and best anal at Annie's and also had a bad experience with one of the best looking girls that ever worked there! Biegarden been there and done that but never really found anything to suit me but it's always jam pack! Eden have not been there for a long time but my few experiences were not bad and would always leave the door open to going again but to avoid never!
May this thread would be more suited if we did not include our bad experiences with sex. Rather maybe bad hotels to avoid, food stall, overcharging taxi ride, when to avoid taxi rides across town, etc.... but when it comes to bad sex that's part of life you can never avoid that never matter hard hard you try!
IMHO, LBm
This was not meant to be about bad experiences with sex rather than ripoff joints. To include Foodstalls and Hotels of course. Now, everyone who does not like this thread, please feel free to post more stupid comments like the one about Mars. Then the tread becomes more and more useless. Thats what happens on many Thailand threads.
After 20 years in Asia, I know of most of the ripoffs that can happen. If there is no interest in it, you want to make your own experiences, I can very well shut up.
Member #2041
08-27-06, 06:39
This was not meant to be about bad experiences with sex rather than ripoff joints. To include Foodstalls and Hotels of course. Now, everyone who does not like this thread, please feel free to post more stupid comments like the one about Mars. Then the tread becomes more and more useless. Thats what happens on many Thailand threads.
After 20 years in Asia, I know of most of the ripoffs that can happen. If there is no interest in it, you want to make your own experiences, I can very well shut up.
Surely my comment about Mars was not quite as useless and stupid as THIS post. Shame you missed the chance to follow your own recommendation to shut up.
Surely my comment about Mars was not quite as useless and stupid as THIS post. Shame you missed the chance to follow your own recommendation to shut up.
Well go easy 2041, I caught your allusion because I had just read the relevant posts elsewhere... he might have missed that
M P Lurker
08-27-06, 16:35
I assumed this forum related mainly to sex. It is a sex guide after all.
But I can understand that general rip-offs to avoid unrelated to sex would be useful to a Thailand newbie who will always get ripped off on the first visit somewhere sometime.
Rip-offs are caused by the personality of particular people. Unless everyone at a place is in on a planned rip-off deal then its the person rather then the place. I agree that very clear cut rip-off places do exist, but am worried that a guy gets fooled by one particular girl and then labels the whole place bad.
Lets quote the particular persons involved in the rip-off and not just blame the whole place.
I don't like to see a place labelled as Avoid after someone went there only once and vowed never to return. Others have been going to same place regularly and no problems.
One persons rip-off is another guy's bargain.
e.g. I got this girl for the whole night for bar fine 800 Baht and tipped her 3000 Baht. She was fantastic. I am so pleased.
What a rip-off says someone else. The bar fine should have been 500 at the very most. You payed far too much. You could could have payed the girl only 2000. Yes but she was fantastic and worth every Baht. If she was useless I would have kicked her out very early on. Actually I never go with girl for LT on first meeting. If she is great I may try to extend to long time. It might be worth checking if she is willing to consider a LT before going with a girl, but this is unreliable. They say they may do, but actually can't because they have to be home X O'clock to mum and dad or to child or whatever.
I plan LT with girls I know well enough.
Sorry for rambling off the point.
At Cupidy Massage I had a great girl but paid a little too much.
I don't say avoid the place, but only that negotiating the right price was very difficult with the "Cheer-man". No fault of the girl.
I have never stayed at Plaza Massage, because once the guy quotes a "rip-off" price (in my view) he seems un-willing to change his mind.
At Mona Lisa I have never had a problem perhaps because I can speak Thai.
Maybe the Cheer-men have great memories of who they have seen before.
I have noticed newcomers being ripped off.
Chaopraya II (unlike J-One) is a place with standard prices and never any rip-offs to my knowledge, but the girls selection is not as many and as good as used to be. In fact it was more often the girls who used to get ripped-off here by customers refusing to pay. But now I think everyone has to pay all-inclusive up front. Cheer-person recommendations not be always believed.
Little "Anne" is a reliable cheer-person.at Chaopraya II,
In some places, it seems that old recognised regular customers can get a better price than newcomers. This is a source of great irritation.
At J-One Massage, one guy gives me a really good price. I tip him well.
Next time I go, he is not there. Another guy insists that my previous price is completely impossible. So this means I can only visit J-One when the right cheer-man is there. Very irritating.
Usually I stop going to irritating places where I can't get a consistent price, uness of course the girl is so hot, that I put up with the price shit.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I have come to realize that the game is all about finding the right girl, where ever she may be. Shunning a place because of a few bad experiences may limit your chances of finding that gem of a girl. If a particular girl gives bad service to several members, then don't make use of her services. The place itself may still be viable. I would only suggest avoiding a place if it becomes clear that the people who manage the place are at fault.
Cheers!
Fox Two
Many people have good experiences in Beergarden and some just do not like the set-up or picked up a non-performing girl. For the people with bad experience this is "Avoid-place"?
We can all read that Giotto's is a great place to be, but also there will be an unsatisfied customer and when that customer write a report he will put this in the "Avoid-thread"?
I think Annie's is good, I think Annie's is bad. "Avoid"?
Some places change of owner or were to avoid in the past, but now they are very good. "Rehabilitation-thread"?
All experiences, bad and good, have to be reported in the right threads, but there should not be an "Avoid-thread"!
. "Avoid" needs to be deleted! Jingjing! Some good ones there, but it is also the hangout for the well seasoned ones that know how to get over on an unsuspecting monger. I had a pair of sisters that tried to drug my beer, but my prescription Ritalin had me climbing all over them like a horndog. Even if you speak Thai, pretend you don't because they will speak clearly about what is going on. These people are not very discreet. I love when their cell rings and they start crying about somebody in the family that just got injured/killed. Hard to keep a straight face. I was chumped by a couple of BG Free Lancers on occaision. There is usually one in the crew that is more religous that will roll their eyes and let on that there is a drama going on to relieve you of cash. I'm afraid somebody will get a real call that a parent died and I will start laughing. You can have fun with them. Why bother drinking beer in Thailand now that there is no more Carlsburg?
I have come to realize that the game is all about finding the right girl, where ever she may be. Shunning a place because of a few bad experiences may limit your chances of finding that gem of a girl. If a particular girl gives bad service to several members, then don't make use of her services. The place itself may still be viable. I would only suggest avoiding a place if it becomes clear that the people who manage the place are at fault.
Cheers!
Fox Two
Couldn't agree with you more.
LBM, agree's that maybe this thread should be changed or deleted completely.
Everyone pays their dues no matter how many times they have been to LOS or live there year round! One can have a great time at one location and another it would be terrible. Take Annie's it's not the greatest but I had my first and best anal at Annie's and also had a bad experience with one of the best looking girls that ever worked there! Biegarden been there and done that but never really found anything to suit me but it's always jam pack! Eden have not been there for a long time but my few experiences were not bad and would always leave the door open to going again but to avoid never!
May this thread would be more suited if we did not include our bad experiences with sex. Rather maybe bad hotels to avoid, food stall, overcharging taxi ride, when to avoid taxi rides across town, etc.... but when it comes to bad sex that's part of life you can never avoid that never matter hard hard you try!
IMHO, LBmThis makes sense when these bad sexual experiences have to do with freelancers. Thus, only an idiot would recommend avoiding Beergarten based on some non-performing freelancer who doesn't even work there. When these bad experiences happen to many people in the same MP or from the same bar then we should know about it so we ourselves can decide if avoiding the place is warranted, or not. Obviously if someone has had bad sex in a place which employes many girls, common sense would tell us that we cannot judge that place and all of the employees based on the performance of one girl on that particular occasion. We are not idiots. As for "paying the dues" instead of getting the benefit of experience from other members. This would defeat the purpose of this forum. If someone doesn't like to read "Places to avoid" then do not read them. People who do read it can make their own conclusions. As long as it is made clear that anything appearing under "Places to avoid" is only an opinion of a member writing a report, not endorsed by anyone else. If someone wants to rename it into "Bad experiences" -fine, as long as we don't have to read for 30 minutes before learning about where these "bad" experiences occured.
O do not post as much as I probably should byt i have now been visting BKK for 3 years now and have had my fair share of different experinces, as many have also had here. One topic or area I have really not seen discusued or at least my observation regarding freelancers that I believe might be helpful for newbies or should at least be acknowledged are two fold.
First, with freelancers you really do not know what you are getting sometimes, thus you are chancing it. Personally-significant stretch marks turn me off real fast. A free lancer might look great dressed in sexy clothing but if she has these marks I am bummed later. I guess one could ask or feel but anyways you get the point. I alsio do not like very hairy pussys and once again I could do a more thorough job checking a free lancer in advance. nevertheless, with a little scantly clad bar girl perhaps a bit easier. I must admit some of the b ar girls that cater to japan ses men have hairy pussys and I do not like this either.
Also with afree lancer are you not taking more of a chance that she mnight have STD and thus that is why she is not in the go go or massage house? another consideration in my opionion. Anyways just my 2 cents for what is is worth.
I posted this in the MP thread, but it should be in here as well.
For me, this place is a must avoid, nothing to do with service, or with the quality of the girls, or even the rooms, no, this judgement i pass is based on the place charging the usual MP fare, but paying the girls only 350 baht per session, yep, thats what the girl gets from your 1,600 or whatever you happen to pay. This place is a tourist trap served by taxi and tuk-tuk touts, it caters heavily to the Inidan and Arab communities as regulars, but targets the westerners too. This place is 'normally' a fresh Issan girls first point of call, you don't need to speak english, you just need to fuck, and normally 5 customers a day, at least, so they're only fresh for a few days. This place has an attitude that sucks, i know of one girl who left with an India (you can take the girl to your hotel for an extra 1,000 baht i think, the girl gets 150 baht more), on entering the Indians room, she showered, when she came out she got on the bed, the guy got on top of her and 3 other Indian guys appeared from behind curtains and basically all had a go, they did not tip, the guy who had brought her there did not get to come as she managed to get away, he went back to Happy House and complained, the boss there, after hearing the ladies side of the story, apologised to the customer and made the girl give him a free on site session.
This place makes me sick to the bones, vote with your feet, and avoid it.
(Whilst i site Indian and Arab nationals in my post, no offence is intended at those nationals.)
I posted this in the MP thread, but it should be in here as well.
(Whilst i site Indian and Arab nationals in my post, no offence is intended at those nationals.)
Don't worry, no offence is taken. We have AHs in every country and the Indians, Arabs, Pakis etc. have a small but bad set of cheap charlies, who are illiterate and low class. Some of the blame also goes to Thai Air with their extremely cheap tickets between the Indian subcontinent and Thailand. And travel to Thailand is cheaper than travel between North and South India. Hence you get these type of people.
M P Lurker
10-12-06, 12:10
O do not post as much as I probably should byt i have now been visting BKK for 3 years now and have had my fair share of different experinces, as many have also had here. One topic or area I have really not seen discusued or at least my observation regarding freelancers that I believe might be helpful for newbies or should at least be acknowledged are two fold.
First, with freelancers you really do not know what you are getting sometimes, thus you are chancing it. Personally-significant stretch marks turn me off real fast. A free lancer might look great dressed in sexy clothing but if she has these marks I am bummed later. I guess one could ask or feel but anyways you get the point. I alsio do not like very hairy pussys and once again I could do a more thorough job checking a free lancer in advance. nevertheless, with a little scantly clad bar girl perhaps a bit easier. I must admit some of the b ar girls that cater to japan ses men have hairy pussys and I do not like this either.
Also with afree lancer are you not taking more of a chance that she mnight have STD and thus that is why she is not in the go go or massage house? another consideration in my opionion. Anyways just my 2 cents for what is is worth.
All first time liasons are a gamble.
I have been going to Thailand on and off for 15 years plus.
I don't really agree that freelancers are to be avoided (in general).
It doesn't matter where you go, you must be choosy.
I always take much time to study the girls carefully in their facial expressions and the way they talk to their friends.
Choosing a girl in a fish bowl is hard because you can't chat to them.
In a bar I have dificulties due to noise.
In the street you can talk for some time to evaluate the girls attitudes. Of course I do have a strong advantage being able to speak Thai and know how to treat the girls respectfully. Many guys looking for a pickup, treat the girls quite disrepectfully and then might be suprised when the girls don't really like them or react favourably to them.
I prefer girls who are on the shy side and not massively experienced. They tend to react very well to someone who treats them nicely and fairly.
I have only picked up girls in the street on a few occasions. It first happened when it was Buddhist holiday so every place I normally monger at was closed except for some awful places like "Happy House" that Meaty mentioned.
But years ago I used to pick up free lancers at the Thermae also.
Most girls I picked up at Thermae and outside Nana Hotel have turned out to be very nice indeed with the odd exception. I have kept the phone number of 70% for repeats and some others were adequate, without being stunning.
I go for girls financing studies, or layed off some regular job, or needing extra cash for some special purpose, or anything (but not so much girls that have been freelancing for many years). Haven't tried the Russians because they are mostly just not up to the standard I expect (compare unfavourably to the Russians in Europe).
You can get girls with stretch marks from almost anywhere unless nude inspection available. You can ask if she shaves her pussy I suppose. For me thats not totally useful because I like particularly beautiful pussies. An ugly shaved pussy won't turn me on.
If you go with a free-lancer for first time, always go for cheap ST in a very nearby room so that if it doesn't turn out great, just go and get another one for replacement.
If she turns out great get her number for repeats and LTs in the future.
If she can't do LT tonight, just go and get another one. Its not important to sleep all night with a girl. If you are horny in the morning, morning bars and MPs are available.
My success rate has been reasonably good with girls from all sources. But I just take a very long time to decide. But its tough to tell if 2 people are sexually perfectly suited until you actually do the deed. For some guys, it may not matter. They can enjoy fucking any girl regardless of her attitude. For me I need girls willingly to allow themselves to have a good time. It sometimes amazes me how shy a girl can appear at first (including not being able to undress in front of me), but once they start enjoying the sex, they can turn into wild fantastic fuckers that go on and on and forget their total exposure. Can become totally GFE in the first meeting.
I think the real GFE feel is more likely to occur with relatively inexperienced Freelancers than with long time bargirls.
Freelancers maybe more prone to STDs but other can get fake check-up papers. So I'm skeptical. Simply, always use the condom protection, and secondly, if she is willing to go bareback for an extra money, then you should find a different girl who is not willing.
I once cancelled on a bargirl (wasn't a free-lancer at that time) after she said I didn't have to wear the condom when I was having a problem with it.
Finally, what out for the Ladyboys. 30% of girls hanging outside Nana will be actually boys, modified or not (I don't know). So inexperienced guys will need to be very sure they have chosen correctly.
Choosing cute little shy girls is fairly safe. The LBs usually are flamboyant and ain't so little.
So really, freelancers can be good or bad. It depends on how wisely you choose or did you just get lucky or unlucky.
Hi gang,
I just wanted to add my two cents worth.
Visited Bangkok Cozy massage place a while back and wanted to post about my crappy experience there.
Entered the place and began to peruse the selection, not super. I refused the papasan's chunky reccommendation and chose a hot little number instead (#17). I paid up, 1700 baht, and it was supposed to include the air mattress body massage.
In the room her bad attitude quickly became evident. a couple of minutes in the tub and then a couple of minutes on the air mattress , then she headed for the bed and just sat there, in her towel. I motioned her to get started but it just wasn't happpening. the classic, " mai sabai" .
I then dressed and we left the room. in the lobby I let the papasan know what had transpired and requested a replacement girl.
'so sorry, cannot do that,' he replied. I told him that if he didn't make good I would report his establishment on the internet. he seemed fairly unimpressed.
I think we can all do better than Bangkok Cozy while we're in Krung Thep.
Happy Whoring!
I posted this in the MP thread, but it should be in here as well.
For me, this place is a must avoid, nothing to do with service, or with the quality of the girls, or even the rooms, no, this judgement i pass is based on the place charging the usual MP fare, but paying the girls only 350 baht per session, yep, thats what the girl gets from your 1,600 or whatever you happen to pay. This place is a tourist trap served by taxi and tuk-tuk touts, it caters heavily to the Inidan and Arab communities as regulars, but targets the westerners too. This place is 'normally' a fresh Issan girls first point of call, you don't need to speak english, you just need to fuck, and normally 5 customers a day, at least, so they're only fresh for a few days. This place has an attitude that sucks, i know of one girl who left with an India (you can take the girl to your hotel for an extra 1,000 baht i think, the girl gets 150 baht more), on entering the Indians room, she showered, when she came out she got on the bed, the guy got on top of her and 3 other Indian guys appeared from behind curtains and basically all had a go, they did not tip, the guy who had brought her there did not get to come as she managed to get away, he went back to Happy House and complained, the boss there, after hearing the ladies side of the story, apologised to the customer and made the girl give him a free on site session.
This place makes me sick to the bones, vote with your feet, and avoid it.
(Whilst i site Indian and Arab nationals in my post, no offence is intended at those nationals.)It is the ethnic groups in the title that keeps Bangkok affordable and fun. Thank THEM for the low prices, setting precedent and not letting Bangkok turn into another Rio.
...I then dressed and we left the room. in the lobby I let the papasan know what had transpired and requested a replacement girl....'so sorry, cannot do that,' he replied....I've been here several times and only once had a bad experience. On this occasion I too had to 'change lady', total lazy starfish attitude, and papa recommended, so i headed to papa and explained, he said no problem, picked another one which i agreed with, and i thought, good, job done, i headed for the elevator, but he called me to the reception desk to meet the girl, i was then asked to pay again !! I Looked at the papa, WTF ? He said what do you expect (actually he said "wat you expek?"). I sat on the couch and waited for my mate to finish up, in contrast he had an amazing session.
I have yet to see any proof of the myth of being able to change lady in MP's for free, if things aren't going your way.
CPII is quite nice in the afternoon, If you are talking about that one on the other side of the river. I saw nothing but extremely hot ones, and all with eager eyes. I slipped in there just to get out of the April heat last year. The cabby told me it was good even though he got no commission. I had to pick at random because they were all so fine and the one I got was the fairest skinned Asian I ever had. She had a very sweet lippy, profound genital set, that is typical of Chaing Mai girls, in comparison to the less profound, but also sweet Isan thaingies. The Thais that frenquent that place like light skin and big racks so go for the flatter, darker, more humble ones. bbbj was good but the mouth wore out too quick. I didn't get hussled for money at CPII, mabye because I was the only round eyed customer in the joint.
Traveler1234
10-21-06, 23:44
Notice many of the LOS regulars and newbies have tried this place out - personally, I'd avoid it for obvious reasons:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2484
RLMAO
Notice many of the LOS regulars and newbies have tried this place out - personally, I'd avoid it for obvious reasons:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2484
RLMAOWell that's the hell of the ISG been created so that people can avoid it. All devils sentenced to starve there. Exactly the purpose. That's why I opposed the non crosstalk rule so much, because that would have forced informative posts into there when quoting someone.
All first time liasons are a gamble.
I prefer girls who are on the shy side and not massively experienced. They tend to react very well to someone who treats them nicely and fairly...
its tough to tell if 2 people are sexually perfectly suited until you actually do the deed. For some guys, it may not matter. They can enjoy fucking any girl regardless of her attitude. For me I need girls willingly to allow themselves to have a good time. It sometimes amazes me how shy a girl can appear at first (including not being able to undress in front of me), but once they start enjoying the sex, they can turn into wild fantastic fuckers that go on and on and forget their total exposure. Can become totally GFE in the first meeting...
I think the real GFE feel is more likely to occur with relatively inexperienced Freelancers than with long time bargirls...
Watch out for ladyboys... Choosing cute little shy girls is fairly safe. The LBs usually are flamboyant and ain't so little.
So really, freelancers can be good or bad. It depends on how wisely you choose or did you just get lucky or unlucky.Man, these observations are so very accurate!
I was beginning to think I must br the only one who felt this way.
Thanks for your post
Fast Eddie 48
10-30-06, 07:23
Thong lor II massage soi 24 bangkok very bad experience girl name rat and she is a rat and their management told me too bad after I have complain to them.
picture of the rat
http://www.thonglormassage.com/Rat.html
fast eddie 48
M P Lurker
12-19-06, 12:47
CPII is quite nice in the afternoon, If you are talking about that one on the other side of the river. I saw nothing but extremely hot ones, and all with eager eyes. I slipped in there just to get out of the April heat last year. The cabby told me it was good even though he got no commission. I had to pick at random because they were all so fine and the one I got was the fairest skinned Asian I ever had. She had a very sweet lippy, profound genital set, that is typical of Chaing Mai girls, in comparison to the less profound, but also sweet Isan thaingies. The Thais that frenquent that place like light skin and big racks so go for the flatter, darker, more humble ones. bbbj was good but the mouth wore out too quick. I didn't get hussled for money at CPII, mabye because I was the only round eyed customer in the joint.
Not clear which post you are replying to.
However its Chao Phraya III (or CP3) that is on the other side of the river.
Thong lor II massage soi 24 bangkok very bad experience girl name rat and she is a rat and their management told me too bad after I have complain to them.
picture of the rat
http://www.thonglormassage.com/Rat.html
fast eddie 48
Good looking Rat, though … The old adage is still true. the nicer they look, the worse the service. Hope you had a better one later.
Kaukaukane
12-24-06, 08:03
Friend and I bf'd two from Genesis on Soi 11 on seperate occassions that were a total disappointment. Easy on the eyes but no shedding of clohting.
M P Lurker
12-27-06, 08:52
Good looking Rat, though … The old adage is still true. the nicer they look, the worse the service. Hope you had a better one later.Rat has that arrogant look in the photo though, so I would avoid girls with that look automatically.
That Asshole
01-30-07, 11:12
Dear Gentlemen,
I see lots of complaints here about women "not performing satisfactorily".
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Complaining is easy
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Make no mistake, I don't like them myself and not trying to protect them, just maybe helping you have a much better sex-tourist career (if there is such thing).
Please listen: Why do you take yourselves out of the picture? That's right. It will not always work out the 100% but do not forget that you are there too and you "do" have some control of the outcome. It takes two to tango, as they say.
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No need to stoop
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Definitely, I am not suggesting that the lower you stoop and lick to them the better service you will get (some other members recommended that). Quite to the contrary, you will soon lose your self-esteem and will become nothing but a toy for them. "Licking ass to meat" might seem to bring spectacular results immediately but on the long term it surely will ruin you.
Instead, please try to take the blame for a bad performance, analise the situation and that way you can correct the next time. I know this is not what women teach you but this is how it works. You must try to observe them as an "object of fuck" where you run the show. They are just women. Blaming them would render them equal to you and you don't want that.
It's all up to you. If you look at it like this, slowly, slowly you will get more regular "good" performance. Boy, it will take years. For a start just a few tips:
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Q: How to get "always" good performance from meat?
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A: My answer is: I don't know. But as being a veteran in the trade, I
have some observations.
1./ Try to analise: What is "good"? It is always in comparison to
something. Surely better than "fat-mama" at home. Even if the
performance is no good you can still squeeze the young tits for just
$20 and wank on them. You can't really do it at home any more.
2./ Try not to look at the individual fuck but rather as a continuous
story. Eg. blocks of 10 fucks. Out of that usually 2 are excellent, 2
are bad and the rest average. The bad ones give value to the good ones.
3./ The power of your own mind. The more work you put into the project
the better results you get (work of planning, evaluating, cooperating with other men, reading the forum,etc.) Do not blame the meat. They are just that. They cannot help it. They are not same as you.
But if you realize your own mistakes you are on the right track to
correct them. Same as in every issue of life, isn't it?
4./ Your satisfaction should not come from the fuck but rather from the
work well done, getting that one more F-point. You are already a winner
anyway because you have made yourself independent from meat. You look
at them "objectively and unbiased" which most other men are unable to
do.If you are a sex-tourist you always win.(And you always lose if you
fight for meat.) So, say "no to violence against men" and you already
won!
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Was that helpful?
TA
Silly Fool
01-30-07, 12:49
Rat has that arrogant look in the photo though, so I would avoid girls with that look automatically.I had Mick Lickers advice in the back of my mind when I got pounced on by this plain looking hostess at Giottos- stuck with her to see where these incredible Thai massages were going - turned into the best GFE ever-listen to the sage when it comes to the gorgeous looking assholes-youve been warned - Choke Dee !
Not clear which post you are replying to.
However its Chao Phraya III (or CP3) that is on the other side of the river.
That was weeks/months old, and I often post late at night while drunk before I hit the sack using a laptop w/spastic keyboard and lose the quote/title.
Somebody was asking about MPs and you are right Cp3 is across the CPR, and CPR is what I almost needed after I feenees with that girl. She had a long body like a model. Fair skinned with pink privates. A good place and great value for 1,500 bht. I was the only non-Asian in the place.
You should be the official ISG sage that dispels myths (rail line to airport) and here, the CPIII. I could send somebody way off course with my babblings, so I appreciate your wiz-dom! I am usually delerious from Jet Lag and intense sessions while on tour so my geography is often mistaken.
M P Lurker
03-05-07, 08:36
I had Mick Lickers advice in the back of my mind when I got pounced on by this plain looking hostess at Giottos- stuck with her to see where these incredible Thai massages were going - turned into the best GFE ever-listen to the sage when it comes to the gorgeous looking assholes-youve been warned - Choke Dee !
Well I have to be truthful and say that I will rarely go with a plain looking girl.
I want a princess nearly every time.
What I mean't was that I would study the facial expressions of the girl for a while. If she is beautiful but humble and friendly, go for her.
If she is stunning but aggrogant and often pulls ugly or condescending looks, strike her from consideration.
I want to have my cake and eat it too.
Great looks AND personality.
Even after studying the girl for a while I still make the odd mistake, but at least 6 out of 10 turn out average to good with 2 superb and 2 not worthwhile is about my success rate.
The 2 superb ones, I would go looking for, to repeat, eagerly.
The good ones would be acceptable for a repeat if nothing better going.
BTW, In gogo bars, Girls who dance really pathetically usually fuck fairly pathetically as well. Girls who can dance, whether style is very sexy or is more disco style, are more likely to know how to move on the bed.
For the benefit of those that go to LOS for the first time.
A few approaches.
1) if you have time. Get yourself a TG before you arrive: there are lots of sites from Asia Friendfinder to AFF, Friendster and Myspace. It's not difficult. It's great fun. It won't necessarily get you laid. But if you want to see the sights in pleasant company, you get yourself a tour guide for free. Spoken English has much improved over the years. Traffic jams have not, in spite of the numerous highways that have been built. Try to stay near a BTS station. It works, especially during peak hours.
2) a. GoGo:
***Patpong. Actually Patpongs No. 1 and 2. Located between Silom road and Suriwong road. No need to look it up. Even a taxi driver who doesn't speak English will understand where you want to go. If you're not careful. You may get rolled here. Stay away from second floor "sex show" places. Stick to the King's Group bars. King's Castle I. Go-go bar. King's Castle II. Go-go bar. Usually packed with customers. Arguably the best in the group.) King's Castle III. Go-go bar, mainly 'katoey' dancers (transvestites/transsexuals). King's Camelot Castle. Go-go bar. The newest addition to the King's Castle group. King's Cleopatra King's Corner. Go-go bar. High proportion of 'katoey' dancers. King's Garden. Beer bar on Patpong 2. King's Lounge. Second floor disco. Gets packed after the bars close. King's Palace Queen's Castle I. One of the older 'show' bars. First bar on the left on Soi Patpong 1. Queen's Castle II Pussy Galore. Second-floor erotic shows. Maybe Patpong's most famous name.
In spite of it's bad reputation, you can't go to Bangkok and not go to Patpong
***Nana Plaza (officially Nana Entertainment Plaza; shortened NEP) lies on Sukhumvit Road Soi 4 across from the Nana hotel. It's hard to believe that this block of delapidated buildings is the center of Bangkok's nightlife.
And the brain behind it is the owner of the Rainbow bars. Rainbow 1, 2, 3, 4.compared to Patpong, Nana Plaza is trouble free. Which doesn't mean you can't find it if you're looking for it. If you can't find what you're looking for in the Rainbows try the Pretty Lady or Angelwitch (bit rowdy). There are at least four clubs at Nana Plaza with lady boys. One of the best is Cascade, on the third floor right corner as you enter the plaza. Have a look. Safer here than anywhere else. The bars open at 8. 00pm and should close by 1. 00pm. The place is built like an amphitheater with the bars on 3 levels and beer bars in the center. There is no cover charge, no dress code. But when you go in unshaven, in sandals, in shorts and wearing a T-shirt you should have washed a week ago, don't blame the girl for preferring to sit with a Japanese. The time the GoGo girls in these places will come and spent a lot of time with you for free is long gone. You're there to have fun. They're there to make a living. Some find that hard to understand. Be polite. Most of the people in Thailand are. If you like a girl. A smile will do the trick. And a ladies drink. And a few more which you should pay with grace. It's a soft drink in a small glass if you need to know. If you think you made a error of judgment. Say no to the next ladies drink. She'll understand. If you want to keep. Pay the bar fine. She'll change. And you can stay and drink normal drinks. Or go. Somewhere else. Or home
Now about the question of the girls "renumeration". Best not to discuss it if she doesn't bring it up. If she does. Baht 3000. It's a fair price for LT for something really good looking from the Rainbow. Do not negotiate. If she doesn't agree. Let go. Unless she's that 1 in a million. How long LT is will depend on the girl. And U. 10 am. 12 am. After lunch.
If after you leave the bar. And at any time before you consume the deal you feel that there is a certain distinguished change in attitude in the girl. Abort. Give her 1000 Baht and tell her to go home.
Do not get angry. Get even. Back to the bar.
***Soi Cowboy is where you find the Bangkok regulars hassle free, rip-off free, most bars are run by happy people with rarely any aggravation. This small Soi runs between Sukhumvit 23 & 21 (Asoke). You can walk from Nana (15 minutes), take a taxi or tuk-tuk or the BTS from Nana to Asoke Station. Quite a few bars restarted offering topless dancing, nude dancing (Deja Vu) and shows (one of the more popular shows' is the 10. 30 pm girl on girl show at Suzie Wong's). Other larger bars that get above average ratings include Baccara, Sheba's and Shark Club. Beer is a bit cheaper and half price during happy hours. Barfines maybe 100 Baht cheaper. If you like negotiating, can get a nice LT for 2000 Baht, especially towards closing time.
3) and 4) and 5) tomorrow.
For the benefit of those that go to LOS for the first time.
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3) and 4) and 5) tomorrow.
Good report, but why is it in this thread "Places to AVOID". You should post it in the BKK Reports thread.
Good report, but why is it in this thread "Places to AVOID". You should post it in the BKK Reports thread.Sir,
Yes. No. Whatever.
But he writes something!
Giotto
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I think you are possibly misunderstanding Giotto, however you do know him longer than me.
...Mick Licker,
Don't worry, Sir Duniawala always kicks my ass, that's is job as TQM manager of the Lodge. Such a Bestard.
Giotto
Your mail appears defensive despite Giotto not appearing to say anything other than he doesn't really get upset when someone else merely posts in the non-optimum thread.
Damn, I thought I was being sarcastic, not defensive. But then hey, I am not that great a writer. In context, that referred to a time when G did not have anything in his forum for days. That's what the comment was about.
Anyway, this friendly banter is supposed to be just that, friendly. I have no malice towards anyone and everything is just fine and dandy.
So, have you got any good Licks lately? :)
Traveler1234
03-28-07, 16:03
Your mail appears defensive despite Giotto not appearing to say anything other than he doesn't really get upset when someone else merely posts in the non-optimum thread.
I think you are possibly misunderstanding Giotto, however you do know him longer than me.
Don't look for hidden meanings that might not be there! Thats what my ex-wife always did.
Mick
I can assure you they two 'boys' are the best of friends. In fact, if it were not for the rules/regulations of this Board, I could go into more details re their real relationship :D
M P Lurker
03-29-07, 10:21
Mick
I can assure you they two 'boys' are the best of friends. In fact, if it were not for the rules/regulations of this Board, I could go into more details re their real relationship :D
Yes I have had a drink with both of them together.
Perhaps Duniawala was only pretending to take the comments the wrong way just for fun.
M P Lurker
03-29-07, 10:28
Damn, I thought I was being sarcastic, not defensive. But then hey, I am not that great a writer. In context, that referred to a time when G did not have anything in his forum for days. That's what the comment was about.
Anyway, this friendly banter is supposed to be just that, friendly. I have no malice towards anyone and everything is just fine and dandy.
So, have you got any good Licks lately? :)
It came across "defensive" to me but I see now it was just playing.
I just had a incredible mutual licking yesterday (see Bangkok MP Thread) and a repeat today in a hotel room instead. MP was a little slow yesterday so she decided a private arrangment would be better for both of us.
Right know she is having a recovery nap on the bed as I type.
Huge knockers that are really heavy, poor girl.
Will have to get some photos soon.
NicFrenchy
03-29-07, 11:00
Will have to get some photos soon.Now that's a fantastic Idea.
M P Lurker
03-30-07, 20:18
[/quote=Lemon Tree]Gentlemen, here is the result of a stupid idea
Swiss Oliver Rudolf Jufer leaves the court for prison in Chiang Mai Province, 700 km (310 miles) north of Bangkok, March 29, 2007.
A Thai court sentenced Jufer, 57, to 10 years in jail on Thursday for defacing images of Thai royalty, a rare prison term for a foreigner convicted under the country's tough lese-majeste laws.
REUTERS/Chaiwat Subprasom (THAILAND)
Yours
Lemon TreePlaces to avoid: Thailand[/QUOTE]
Yes Thailand should be avoided by those that dumb and insensitive to Thais love of the great King.
However we can assume that the dumb bastard will get a Royal Pardon very shortly.
In general, if you really go looking for trouble in Thailand, you can find it.
But then this could apply to most countries.
There are many countries where you will get locked up if you walk down the street naked. All these countries should be avoided.
Alejandro66
05-11-07, 20:34
Chiang Mai, April 12th, 2007 (Reuters) - His Majesty the King has pardoned the Swiss man convicted last month of lese majeste for spray-painting portraits on the monarch.
“His Majesty in his kindness has granted him a pardon and he has been transferred from prison and is in the process of being deported from the country,” said Chiang Mai Pol Col Prachuab Wongsuk.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, 57, was convicted last month of lese majeste and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
That's the end of the story
Alex
Khun Larry
06-11-07, 23:24
For the benefit of those that go to LOS for the first time.
A few approaches.
1) if you have time. Get yourself a TG before you arrive: there are lots of sites from Asia Friendfinder to AFF, Friendster and Myspace. It's not difficult. It's great fun. It won't necessarily get you laid. But if you want to see the sights in pleasant company, you get yourself a tour guide for free. Spoken English has much improved over the years. Traffic jams have not, in spite of the numerous highways that have been built. Try to stay near a BTS station. It works, especially during peak hours.
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I would think the odds are too long in hooking up with anything other than a bar girl online. So that amounts to a considerable time investment for what you can find at the airport arrival area in 2 minutes. Thais are too lazy and englosh too poor to invest alot of energy online unless it is their money source.
I would think the odds are too long in hooking up with anything other than a bar girl online. So that amounts to a considerable time investment for what you can find at the airport arrival area in 2 minutes. Thais are too lazy and englosh too poor to invest alot of energy online unless it is their money source.You have an opinion based on something, but it happens to be 100% wrong. I have a whole stable of Thai women that I met online. No bar girls in sight. I didn't contact any of them first. They all responded to my ad. Professional jobs all. It is quite easy to line up girls before you get there and it does help you find sites and experiences you otherwise wouldn't. Last month I was invited to a festival in the north by several girls and spent three days with them and their families having an absolutely outrageous time. That is something that will never happen to the denizens of Nana and Soi Cowboy.
AsiaTraveler2
06-12-07, 05:58
You have an opinion based on something, but it happens to be 100% wrong. I have a whole stable of Thai women that I met online. No bar girls in sight. I didn't contact any of them first. They all responded to my ad. Professional jobs all. It is quite easy to line up girls before you get there and it does help you find sites and experiences you otherwise wouldn't. Last month I was invited to a festival in the north by several girls and spent three days with them and their families having an absolutely outrageous time. That is something that will never happen to the denizens of Nana and Soi Cowboy.
Agree 100%. I signed up on a couple of web sites and did not need to do a thing. Every day, there's someone new inquiring. No pics on my part needed. Come to think of it, maybe that's why it's working! LOL!
AT2
Hi,
The first post from me. I've been to Bangkok several times and normally hook up girls in front of Nana but never try to sweet talk to thai girls online.
Care to share the web sites you did sign up?
Agree 100%. I signed up on a couple of web sites and did not need to do a thing. Every day, there's someone new inquiring. No pics on my part needed. Come to think of it, maybe that's why it's working! LOL!
AT2
Khun Larry
06-29-07, 15:15
You have an opinion based on something, but it happens to be 100% wrong. I have a whole stable of Thai women that I met online. No bar girls in sight. I didn't contact any of them first. They all responded to my ad. Professional jobs all. It is quite easy to line up girls before you get there and it does help you find sites and experiences you otherwise wouldn't. Last month I was invited to a festival in the north by several girls and spent three days with them and their families having an absolutely outrageous time. That is something that will never happen to the denizens of Nana and Soi Cowboy.
Maybe you have some special skills at finding nice thai girls.
Maybe you can tell us which web sites have all the thai girls with professiional jobs go to looking for farangs with no money.
FIY I was invited to an Isaan festival by a nice thai girl in Therme, a professional also. So it is possible to meet nice girl in these areas.
The little bar outside pasta & noodles after hours (end of soi 9).
Rip off hostesses, dodgy bar bill, maybe someone should buy them a calculator.
AsiaTraveler2
07-01-07, 22:45
Hi,
The first post from me. I've been to Bangkok several times and normally hook up girls in front of Nana but never try to sweet talk to thai girls online.
Care to share the web sites you did sign up?
Here's one of them, but you can find dozens just by doing a simple Google search. I find it works best for me, when I'm up front with the ladies. At least to some degree. I let them know that I visit BKK every year and I'm just looking for someone nice to spend some time with. I let them know if they would like to meet someone new and have a nice dinner, let's get together. Some will let you know that they are looking for a serious relationship and many others will jump at the chance at a nice night out.
I don't make any promises I can't keep and that keeps any complications to a minimum. I also don't like jerking people around, so I don't like misleading the girls.
http://www.thailovelinks.com
AT2
You have an opinion based on something, but it happens to be 100% wrong. I have a whole stable of Thai women that I met online. No bar girls in sight. I didn't contact any of them first. They all responded to my ad. Professional jobs all. It is quite easy to line up girls before you get there and it does help you find sites and experiences you otherwise wouldn't. Last month I was invited to a festival in the north by several girls and spent three days with them and their families having an absolutely outrageous time. That is something that will never happen to the denizens of Nana and Soi Cowboy.
I am not disputing what you say, but the bar girls mostly come from "Up North", and most of their families know what they do - they sent them there to do it in the first place.
I think that most people here are trying to caution you is all. Most of the bargirls have an alter ego online, as well as a good cover story about their profession. Bargirls' or higher end wg's are notorious for taking advantage of gullilbe farangs online.
You may very well be adept at weeding out all of the scammers and find genuine Thai non pros (it is rare that they go with non-Asian farangs, btw), but, in my experience, that would be a rare accomplishment indeed.
While visiting Thailand you will probably be stopped by someone asking where do you come from. This person will be holding an answer sheet of paper. If you meet the profile, you will be asked to attend a 60 minute presentation with the promise of 7 nights free hotel. This is a time share hotel program. Your presentation will last maybe 3 hours. Later you will find out that the hotel stay must be booked online and can't be used until 2 months later. Upon booking the hotel you must pay a non refundable deposit of 69 Euros. But if you don't attend all of the presentations at the hotel, you must pay the rak rate for the hotel. There is a 42 year commitment to this time share deal. For most of us, this is a very bad deal because of the up front money and the yearly fees. Even when you use your week, you must pay.
The girl on the street asked me why I was in Pattaya. I told her that it was my first time and was looking for a good girl to be my girlfriend who I could send money to. I asked her if she would come to my room to get to know each other later after the presentation. I attended the presentation and she arrived at my hotel room as agreed. Lucky me. Drank beer until she was in the mood. She spent the night and 5 AM she was in the mood again. She went home with 500 Baht that I said was for the motorcycle taxi. She had complained upon arrival that it cost 50 Baht each way from her house which was far away. It was a girlfriend first date experience for me. Drinking, talking and laughing. She will receive 2000 Baht from her company for me attending the presentation. So I think that she left my room very satisfied for her days work.
I would still avoid Tuktuks, Patpong still seems to be the worst.
"were you go"
me, Nana,
tuktuk driver, 300 TBH to go to Nana, here i walk off,
Another problem with the tuktuks is this thing about getting a gas token, when you get into a tuktuk he then takes you to a tailor, tourist shop or gem dealer, when they get so many tokens they exchange them for gas. This can be a bummer when you want to get somewere quick.
Many taxi drivers sit and wait long hours for the big bucks. Normally Bangkok taxi drivers cruise, but some sit and wait on Nana and hotel streets. You will either be taken to a massage joint or taken without meter. On the plus side they speak enough English for you to venture out. Have the hotel write Thai for your desired destination, if you can't communicate well. Then flag a taxi with your palm down and moving figures toward yourself. Palm up and you are calling a dog. Watch the Thai people flag down a taxi.
If you travel by bus, avoid the taxi drivers waiting when you exit the bus. These taxi cars are old and the driver probably doesn't have a meter. There again these drivers just sit and wait for the big bucks at bus stations. Follow the Thai people to the correct taxi lines at the bus terminals.
Taxi's in Thailand with a meter is very good. Don't ask any questions if you don't speak the Thai language. They might mistake your questions and take you to another place. Don't talk is the best. Many mistakes happen this way.
Top things to avoid:
i) Patpong area - a tourist trap. NP, Sol Cowboy and Sukhumvit are much better and cheaper.
ii) Tuk tuk and non-metered taxis. Always stick to metered taxis.
iii) Massage parlour in the afternoon. Many girls do not start work until 5 or 6 pm.
Satrai2000
12-28-07, 22:42
Avoid club Stardust near Ratchadamri.
Many taxi-drivers want to take you there.
Inside it is crap and run by maffia-like figures.
Girls are so-so.
M P Lurker
12-29-07, 03:32
Top things to avoid:
i) Patpong area - a tourist trap. NP, Sol Cowboy and Sukhumvit are much better and cheaper.
ii) Tuk tuk and non-metered taxis. Always stick to metered taxis.
iii) Massage parlour in the afternoon. Many girls do not start work until 5 or 6 pm.
Just to balance these criticisms.
I have had a good time with girls from SOL (Star of Light) and from Queen's Castle III in Patpong.
Tuk Tuks can be useful when you desperate and in a hurry as they can navigate the small Sois through a traffic jam. But need to know how much it should cost and nogetioate hard. The tuk tuk driver will try to rip you off and will always cost more than a metered taxi.
I usually go to massage parlours in the afternoon. Its true that should not go at opening time. If opening time is 1PM then between 3PM and 6PM could be an excellent time, with lookers potentially just arriving, you may get a chance to grab them. If opening time is 3PM then I wouldn't arrive till at least 4 or 5PM. If arriving at 4PM be prepared to hang around and not choose a girl immediately. The very worst time to arrive is late. Some top girls have gone home and all the others are busy or may be pre-booked.
May be the famous beegarten is getting a bit a place to avoid. How many guys would tell us here that they was riped off from girls of beergarten. How many guys would accept to tell us stories of beergarten girls trying to cheat them.
May be some guys would tell us here some stories. I know a lot. But prefer to hear from others.
Thank you
May be the famous beegarten is getting a bit a place to avoid. How many guys would tell us here that they was riped off from girls of beergarten. How many guys would accept to tell us stories of beergarten girls trying to cheat them.
May be some guys would tell us here some stories. I know a lot. But prefer to hear from others.
Thank you
I picked up a lot from this place and never had a problem. Only thing I would say is that virtually all girls here do ST only - they may reluctantly agree for LT but will make excuses and try to leave. When this happens, I simply prorate the negotiated fee for ST. Not sure what kind of rip-offs you experienced, but if it involves theft of personal property, the onus is upon the punter to secure all valuables in safe place. Plus this is a freelancer joint - so the establishment itself is not responsible for anything.
Cheers.
May be the famous beegarten is getting a bit a place to avoid. How many guys would tell us here that they was riped off from girls of beergarten. How many guys would accept to tell us stories of beergarten girls trying to cheat them.
May be some guys would tell us here some stories. I know a lot. But prefer to hear from others.
Thank youMy first ever visit to BKK was an 8-hour layover (9am to 5pm). I hit Beergarten at noon, and after a bit of fun I was in a ST hotel from 2-4pm with a super-cutie. Still one of my favorite TG experiences of all time. Maybe only because we always remember our first time (sniff).
But seriously, I've been there a few times since - it's a fun place for a monger to chill out, relax, look around, flirt and have fun. There's a wide variety of girls, from hardened pros (no pun) to part-timers, including cute students etc; looks ranging from 2 to 7 and sometimes higher.
Not sure about rip-offs, due to my limited experience there, but as usual, it can happen anywhere.
I remember Evil Penevil writing a great atmospheric story about the place, which led me to my first visit there. It didn't disappoint.
Traveler1234
12-31-07, 02:24
May be the famous beegarten is getting a bit a place to avoid. How many guys would tell us here that they was riped off from girls of beergarten.
Thank you
Like almost every and any place in LOS - YMMV.
For instance, Bangkok Cozy - i had the absolute worst ever there and the same night, my 3 guests all raved about their experience ;)
If you negotiate ahead of time, there should be no problems.
Member #2041
12-31-07, 02:51
May be the famous beegarten is getting a bit a place to avoid. How many guys would tell us here that they was riped off from girls of beergarten. How many guys would accept to tell us stories of beergarten girls trying to cheat them.
May be some guys would tell us here some stories. I know a lot. But prefer to hear from others.
Thank you
IMHO, the Biergarten is currently the BEST venue for freelancers in all of BKK, particularly as the police have continued to harass the ladies in the Nana car park, and the katoeys have begun to over-run the street venues around Nana and Suk soi 3 to soi 5.
when I was in BKK in early to mid December, I found much higher quality in the Biergarten than in any of my half-dozen previous trips to Thailand. I used to think of the place as analogous to the Star Wars bar. But I found many more cuties there than in my previous experiences - including a few genuine stunners - one of whom I kept for 3 straight evenings.
I've taken many from the BG in the past year, the place is picking up and although in the past it did get run down, presently its not a bad place at all if your looking for FL's.
The girls here often work 5 joints or more, that is they do BG Soi 7, they also work in Gullivers on Soi 5, and sometimes Absolute on Soi 7/1. They also if business is no good in those 3, go to Spice Club on Soi 11 after hours, or you'll find some in Thermae.
They all do not do it, some will work 2 of those, some three of those etc. The BG still gets some very old and very unattractive girls (women) however, as its a FL joint and anyone can go in, you'll always get that.
Talking of Thermae, thats another place that since the invasion of Japanese mongers, has really attracted some cuties now and is wall to wall pussy the evening goes on.
Anyway, I have had plenty of ST and LT from the BG, and no issues at all, never had a problem with any of the girls there, however, as its all FreeLancers you have to expect some trouble. Thats the nature of the game when dealing with FL's.
Also one has to remember, that if its a FL joint, and its well known, it will also attract lots of mongers who have seen better days too, so no doubt some will report good times at the BG and others, and some will report bad times. FreeLancers are just that, Free Lance, so you get what you pay and agree for, and they are also in control of the agreement, as they are not working for a bar where you can go back and complain over service. Its FreeLance
NicFrenchy
12-31-07, 06:49
I have been to this place more than once but rarely found a lady that I would have like to spend money on.
No disrespect to the girls, there are a lot of very cute and nice looking ones there but somehow, maybe my timing was off and I was too early (or too late) for the stunners.
One sunday though I ran into this very cute girl from Surin, had a drink with her and we agreed on a ST fee (500thb + 500 tip if she does well). She actually did an awesome job of making me come twice. she gave me a BBBJCIM and then patiently waited for it to Go "Up" again for a FJ session.
I gave her a well deserved 1,000 and she seemed very happy with that.
(you have to reward the girls when they outdo themselves)
Not really fond of Freelancers, Prefer Oilys
Goreng Pisang
12-31-07, 07:22
Dear Senior Menbers and fellow mongers,
My friend and i are visiting BBk over the week end in end Jan. We are both asian chinese, but certainly share the same passion like most of you - MONGERING!!
We need help. Having only the weekends, we wanna waste no time. Pls advise :-
Which Massage Ctr is good with good quality chicks? Need address too.
Heard of this place that is filled with pubs that has live band on rock; pop; raggae music. Where's that?
Where is the economical hotel to stay (say 4 star)? Its gotta be near where the actions are (Massage;no hands restaurants etc)
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Goreng Pisang
In Bangkok avoid Tuk Tuk's,more so if they want bring you to nice restaurant etc. It is all a rip off.I avoid tuk tuk as far as possible, instead use Taxi meter or the motorcycles. and if a Taxi meter wants to fix fare to the airport or to the hotel,tell him to use the meter or just take another one. There so many taxis and most of them need the business.
do watch out for the taxis in soi 2, near JW and Majestci Grande. Those guys are out to scam you. One even had the cheek to ask me for Bhat500 to airport. I got out at main Sukhmvit street with bags etc and got another cab.
M P Lurker
01-02-08, 08:56
In Bangkok avoid Tuk Tuk's,more so if they want bring you to nice restaurant etc. It is all a rip off.I avoid tuk tuk as far as possible, instead use Taxi meter or the motorcycles. and if a Taxi meter wants to fix fare to the airport or to the hotel,tell him to use the meter or just take another one. There so many taxis and most of them need the business.
do watch out for the taxis in soi 2, near JW and Majestci Grande. Those guys are out to scam you. One even had the cheek to ask me for Bhat500 to airport. I got out at main Sukhmvit street with bags etc and got another cab.
To be fair, don't let anyone off the sreet or any Taxi driver recommend you a restaurant, or MP, or jewelery shop, etc. We only need to be burned once, but hopefully some of you will avoid this problem completely. There is far too much scamming going on.
I ignore people asking where I am going to. Once, the guy outside the Intra Hotel asks me where I am going. Just to be polite I mention the seafood restaurant I am interested in. He claims it has closed but can take me to a good replacement. Fortunately I was wary. Turned out was bullshit. My restauarnt was still operating. He would have taken me to one with no customers and rip-off prices for a nice commssion.
Even getting advice from Hotel staff can be vary risky.
Hi
It was my second night in Bangkok.
I told the tuk-tuk driver to drive me to patpong.
He agreed and said 10-15 min from soi 3.
He went to another direction.
After I realized I ask him where are you going?
He said he will bring me to another place not patpong then I said fock off stop here fuck you.
He stoped the car and gave me a fist in my head.
I gave him one back went to the side-front of the drivers place and kickt him out with my leg. Then he came back with a small baseball bat and started hitting me with that thing until he broke in 2.
After that he left and I was a little bit shocked.
I avoid tuk-tuk drivers every where the same with this bastards. Sri Lanka, Phillipines, India.
I have been to this place more than once but rarely found a lady that I would have like to spend money on.
No disrespect to the girls, there are a lot of very cute and nice looking ones there but somehow, maybe my timing was off and I was too early (or too late) for the stunners.
One sunday though I ran into this very cute girl from Surin, had a drink with her and we agreed on a ST fee (500thb + 500 tip if she does well). She actually did an awesome job of making me come twice. she gave me a BBBJCIM and then patiently waited for it to Go "Up" again for a FJ session.
I gave her a well deserved 1,000 and she seemed very happy with that.
(you have to reward the girls when they outdo themselves)
Not really fond of Freelancers, Prefer OilysFor the last 4 years with several visits every year I have always had good experiences. The "Quality" of the ladies can be different from day to day. If you dont find something trey Thermae later in the evening.
Cloud Cloud
01-15-08, 08:35
[QUOTE=Goreng Pisang]Dear Senior Menbers and fellow mongers,
My friend and i are visiting BBk over the week end in end Jan. We are both asian chinese, but certainly share the same passion like most of you - MONGERING!!
We need help. Having only the weekends, we wanna waste no time. Pls advise :-
Try Grand President on soi 11 very gf. Don't have to pay extra. It's about Bht 2,400 close to all the action.
Have Fun!
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I gave him one back went to the side-front of the drivers place and kickt him out with my leg. Then he came back with a small baseball bat and started hitting me with that thing until he broke in 2.
After that he left and I was a little bit shocked.
I avoid tuk-tuk drivers every where the same with this bastards. Sri Lanka, Phillipines, India.
I expect he was a little bit shocked at your being a only little bit shocked at having a small baseball bat broken in two over you. He probably beat it as soon as he realized his mistake. I hope you landed a good shot, btw.
Why did you expect tuk-tuk drivers to be different here? Although, to be honest the ones outside the tourist areas of Bangers and, in my experience, the ones in smaller towns, even Chiang Mai, are mostly OK.
Try Grand President on soi 11 very gf. Don't have to pay extra. It's about Bht 2,400 close to all the action.
I had a bad experience at the Grand President, actually- wouldn't recommend it. Was overcharged for items not consumed from the mini-bar, and was charged for a slightly bloodstained bathrobe, which is now in my possession and came out of the laundry good as new when I got home. Maybe I was just unlucky at the GP, but I have heard similar stories about that joint. I prefer the Davis for the money, or if you want to stay on soi 11, the Federal, which now has WiFi and a famously good restaurant.
M P Lurker
01-21-08, 10:38
I had a bad experience at the Grand President, actually- wouldn't recommend it. Was overcharged for items not consumed from the mini-bar, and was charged for a slightly bloodstained bathrobe, which is now in my possession and came out of the laundry good as new when I got home. Maybe I was just unlucky at the GP, but I have heard similar stories about that joint. I prefer the Davis for the money, or if you want to stay on soi 11, the Federal, which now has WiFi and a famously good restaurant.
I have stayed at GP towers 1 and 3 and no minibar problems. Some hassles with the internet account after extending my room booking, but nothing too serious.
Although some staff on the desk are a bit officious, the head guy on the front counter seems very helpful to me. Looking at a website for Federal suggests the rooms look very basic, so I'm not sure if game to try.
[QUOTE=Colliote]He agreed and said 10-15 min from soi 3.
He went to another direction.
After I realized I ask him where are you going?
He said he will bring me to another place not patpong then I said fock off stop here fuck you.
He stoped the car and gave me a fist in my head...[\QUOTE]
Is it just me or did you deserve what you got ? The driver, tried it on for some commssion, you responded with "Fuck off, Fuck you" words every Thai adult fully understands are extremely rude and offensive, and in your situation totally and utterly uncalled for, it's no surprise to me whatsoever that he reacted the way he did, to some fowl mouthed westerner who is a guest in his country....it's a shame he didn't get a few extra blows on you, you're very lucky other Thais in the neighbourhood did not join in and beat you.
Sorry, but in your example, you reacted very badly and got what anyone who has a smidge of understanding Thailand would have expected. I have never had any problems with Tuk Tuks in Bangkok, but every single one i've ever 'had' to use has tried it on with the price....why shouldn't they, some idiots actually pay it !
do watch out for the taxis in soi 2, near JW and Majestci Grande. Those guys are out to scam you. One even had the cheek to ask me for Bhat500 to airport. I got out at main Sukhmvit street with bags etc and got another cab.I don't think I have ever had a taxi driver ask less than 500Bht for a ride to the airport. I usually counter-offer 400Bht, with a smile, which is usually readily accepted. I know you can get it less (320Bht on meter?) but I would probably give a tip then of 50Bht. Not sure this counts as trying to rip you off, just honest negotiation...
Darth Luca
01-25-08, 14:35
Hi
He said he will bring me to another place not patpong then I said fock off stop here fuck you.
He stoped the car and gave me a fist in my head.
I gave him one back went to the side-front of the drivers place and kickt him out with my leg. Then he came back with a small baseball bat and started hitting me with that thing until he broke in 2.
After that he left and I was a little bit shocked.
I wonder what would happen if you behave the sameway in your own country.
All the taxi drivers try to extend the way for more money even the local ones where I live. Coming from a more financially stable country does not give anyone right to disrespect the poeple.
Member #2041
01-25-08, 19:25
I don't think I have ever had a taxi driver ask less than 500Bht for a ride to the airport. I usually counter-offer 400Bht, with a smile, which is usually readily accepted. I know you can get it less (320Bht on meter?) but I would probably give a tip then of 50Bht. Not sure this counts as trying to rip you off, just honest negotiation...
Actually, the meter will usually read 200-250 baht depending on traffic. Tolls would be 65, and then whatever you wish to tip
I've taken many from the BG in the past year, the place is picking up and although in the past it did get run down, presently its not a bad place at all if your looking for FL's.
The girls here often work 5 joints or more, that is they do BG Soi 7, they also work in Gullivers on Soi 5, and sometimes Absolute on Soi 7/1. They also if business is no good in those 3, go to Spice Club on Soi 11 after hours, or you'll find some in Thermae.
They all do not do it, some will work 2 of those, some three of those etc. The BG still gets some very old and very unattractive girls (women) however, as its a FL joint and anyone can go in, you'll always get that.
Talking of Thermae, thats another place that since the invasion of Japanese mongers, has really attracted some cuties now and is wall to wall pussy the evening goes on.
Anyway, I have had plenty of ST and LT from the BG, and no issues at all, never had a problem with any of the girls there, however, as its all FreeLancers you have to expect some trouble. Thats the nature of the game when dealing with FL's.
Also one has to remember, that if its a FL joint, and its well known, it will also attract lots of mongers who have seen better days too, so no doubt some will report good times at the BG and others, and some will report bad times. FreeLancers are just that, Free Lance, so you get what you pay and agree for, and they are also in control of the agreement, as they are not working for a bar where you can go back and complain over service. Its FreeLance
No, they are not "in control of the agreement" as you are the one who pays them. I certainly hope you don't pay them upfront, because I've heard just about everything on this forum.
Paid yesterday at 10 am with public taxi from airport to sukhumvit, Soi 20 totally 340 Baht. Including highway / toll. With tip = 400 Baht. Driver took direct way.
Dear Senior Menbers and fellow mongers,
My friend and i are visiting BBk over the week end in end Jan. We are both asian chinese, but certainly share the same passion like most of you - MONGERING!!
We need help. Having only the weekends, we wanna waste no time. Pls advise :-
Which Massage Ctr is good with good quality chicks? Need address too.
Heard of this place that is filled with pubs that has live band on rock; pop; raggae music. Where's that?
Where is the economical hotel to stay (say 4 star)? Its gotta be near where the actions are (Massage;no hands restaurants etc)
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Goreng Pisang
Amen bro. Just goes to show you we all come from the same stock no matter which country or continent. Stay around Sukhumvit area. 4 star place - check out Dream Hotel. Nana plaza - Sukhumvit soi 4. Soi Cowboi Sukhumvit soi 23. Freelancers in Beergarten - Soi 7, Gullivers - Soi 5, Thermae - in the basement of small shopping plaza on Sukhumvit Soi 15. Many many massage places on Ratchadapisek (Emmanuelle, Nataree, Poseidon) - plenty of info on these places in here. That's a good start for a first timer. Stay away from tuk-tuk drivers. Search this forum for more information.
So many guys go to Thailand and want to pay next to nothing for a good time - girls, food, taxis. A dollar each. I'm not a millionaire, but I don't get hung up on a dollar or two. (Better than being beat up with a baseball bat :)). Besides, a humane attitude and a tip will pay back more in the long run. Cheapos.
NicFrenchy
01-27-08, 05:00
So many guys go to Thailand and want to pay next to nothing for a good time. Girls, food, taxis. A dollar each. I'm not a millionaire, but I don't get hung up on a dollar or two. (Better than being beat up with a baseball bat). Besides, a humane attitude and a tip will pay back more in the long run. Cheapos. *applause* Very well said.
Hi
It was my second night in Bangkok.
I told the tuk-tuk driver to drive me to patpong.
He agreed and said 10-15 min from soi 3.
He went to another direction.
After I realized I ask him where are you going?
He said he will bring me to another place not patpong then I said fock off stop here fuck you.
He stoped the car and gave me a fist in my head.
I gave him one back went to the side-front of the drivers place and kickt him out with my leg. Then he came back with a small baseball bat and started hitting me with that thing until he broke in 2.
After that he left and I was a little bit shocked.
I avoid tuk-tuk drivers every where the same with this bastards. Sri Lanka, Phillipines, India.
God you are pathetic. One country, you may be right. Two countries, probably. Three countries, something wrong. Four countries, look at your fucking self. You have a problem. Not them.
I don't think I have ever had a taxi driver ask less than 500Bht for a ride to the airport. I usually counter-offer 400Bht, with a smile, which is usually readily accepted. I know you can get it less (320Bht on meter?) but I would probably give a tip then of 50Bht. Not sure this counts as trying to rip you off, just honest negotiation...
Make him turn on the meter. If he whines about it, then get out and find another taxi. I took a taxi from Ratchada to the airport a few days ago - 200 baht.
Make him turn on the meter. If he whines about it, then get out and find another taxi. I took a taxi from Ratchada to the airport a few days ago - 200 baht.I've done this debate already. I probably overpay taxis about 50 Bht on the airport run. You probably overpay 50 Bht when you buy a beer in an expensive bar. Sometimes I'm embarrassed to haggle too hard over a souvenir at Chatuchak Market and overpay another 50 Bht. Sometimes I pay for hotel internet use and don't use it. I ordered too much food once and left some of it. Another 50 Bht. I had my shoes polished once and the boy 'didn't have change'. 20 Bht too much.
It doesn't really matter...
1. Always prepare 100baht or 20baht change for toll fee or short trip. All the toll gates have sign board indicating how much is the toll fee. After paying toll fee, raise hand over to driver for fee change immediately.
2. Always have 500 baht or small change for Airport to town or long trip.
3. Always insist meter before you board.
4. Never take tuktuk since most tend to overcharge white guys like us and bring us to some weird places.
5. Sometime if the meter display 35baht, its ok to give 40baht. Any change less than 10 baht can give as tip. Any more than 10baht make sure you get the change.
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Taxi are a nightmare - Tuk Tuk, avoid at all cost!
Taxi, insist that he switches on the meter... if he refuses, open the door, n leave.
I usually talk all that BS before i event seat in the Taxi.
Airport:
Never pay more that 300 to and from the airport, Thai pay 200!
Thank you for your attention!
3. Always insist meter before you board.
Add to point 3: “Make sure the meter is actually started"
Even though the driver may agree to use the meter, they some times forget to start the meter, usually pleading ignorance / I forgot etc.
For me, meters not started, seem to be occurring too often so I suspect it is deliberate act to force some kind of negotiation at the end.
Willo
M P Lurker
02-16-08, 01:15
Add to point 3: “Make sure the meter is actually started"
Even though the driver may agree to use the meter, they some times forget to start the meter, usually pleading ignorance / I forgot etc.
For me, meters not started, seem to be occurring too often so I suspect it is deliberate act to force some kind of negotiation at the end.
Willo
Or the meter wasn't reset.
Taxi are a nightmare...Taxi, insist that he switches on the meter... if he refuses, open the door, n leave.One think I've started doing when going to/ leaving the airport is not putting my bags in the trunk until the meter is on...of keeping them with me in the back seat if I am alone.
It's a lot hard to start the process over -- getting out and finding another taxi -- with your bags in the trunk.
NicFrenchy
02-16-08, 03:36
Even though the driver may agree to use the meter, they some times forget to start the meter, usually pleading ignorance / I forgot etc.
For me, meters not started, seem to be occurring too often so I suspect it is deliberate act to force some kind of negotiation at the end.
WilloThat's not a problem. If he does not start it, pay what you think is fair. Happened to me a few times, Taxis try to Charge you double or 3 times the Fare (150 instead of 50), just smile and give him a 50.
If he complains, show him the meter and say "Meter zero, I pay zero or 50, up to you", they will eventually take your money once they will realise you are not a fool.
I travel via Moto-Taxis and taxis on a daily basis and Rare are the drivers who try to scam me, maybe 1% so I guess my point is that they're not all bad and one can't think of all Taxi drivers as thiefs.
Also try to keep in mind that a lot of Bangkok Taxi drivers are not from Bangkok, they might not always take the shortest road to your destination. Don't get angry, they take the roads they know so no point yelling, all you will achieve is to make them lose their cool and Panic at the wheel, they will be terrified of making another "mistake".
You are in Thailand, relax! an extra 50 baht on your fare because the cab made a wrong turn isn't going to kill you is it?
I travel via Moto-Taxis and taxis on a daily basis and Rare are the drivers who try to scam me, maybe 1% so I guess my point is that they're not all bad and one can't think of all Taxi drivers as thiefs.
For taxies I have used out in the suburbs like Bangkhae, Min Buri, Bang yai etc there has never been any issues, but taxies hailed from tourist areas of Bangkok are the ones to watch!
Willo
Maybe they're not out to scam the passengers, but the company they work for.
Not reporting the fare for tax purposes or splitting with their agency, etc.
I mean how much more can they ask for in the city?
They just having trouble estimating the actual cost without the meter, so they tack on a small margin for insurance.
Maybe they're not out to scam the passengers, but the company they work for.
Not reporting the fare for tax purposes or splitting with their agency, etc.
I mean how much more can they ask for in the city?
Always flag one down, especially on patpong and such areas. The ones parking at the side or the street are the ones who cheat. I once in 18 years had an issue with a driver with a manipulated meter whom I flagged down. As soon as I found out i got off and didn't pay. He was fine with that because I caught him red -handed. He had a small button where he ticked the meter up manually.
In China once I had the police take driver and car to a checking centre, but in BKK where I don't speak the language, on the way to somewhere, no Idea where I am, I considered that as too dangerous.
Hello mate,
Does anyone know how much they charge? Is there a standard rate?
I took one before for only 20baht to my destination!
Aware. Please kindly avoid this place if possible. ! I have been frequent flyer to Bangkok for almost 3 years. And last week is my first time to Patpong. I have some friends follow me to Bangkok and want to pay a visit to Patpong. So I just bring them there. I told them Patpong is not a safe place but still they insist want to go then no choice. I just follow.
Was at Patpong around 9:00 p. M. And shop around and get some pirated DVD. As you know there is a lot of agogo shop around and my friend are interested on watching them. I told them Patpong is not safe and I recommend them to go soi cowboy. But still they want to watch at Patpong. Then no choice. There are many stupid thai gangster around introducing their shop to us. So my friend choose one of the guy shop and it was at the second floor of the shop. They guy told us there isn't any cover charge or extra charges for the show. What we need is to get a beer which is only cost 300 bahts per person.
While we are insides, the ladies are totally topless dancing on the stage. But I would rate them 5/10. Our drink was serve and within 5 minutes, the bill come. I was so shock as the bill cost us (6 of us) about 8000 bahts. I ask the so call boss (looks gangster than boss) why so expnsive. He then say the drink = 300 bahts and the show is 1000 bahts. Total each person is 1300 bahts. I told him the guy who bring us here inform there is no cover charge for the show. Then the so call boss start to raise up his voice and insist us to pay. In order to avoid any unhappy thing to happen we paid the bill the left the shop. It really spoil our whole nite mood.
In conclusion, I have been to soi cowboy for years and this kind of thing never happen before. The way of doing business is rubbish for Patpong. Please kindly avoid PATPONG. Soi Cowboy or Nana is better and safer for tourist.
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NicFrenchy
05-07-08, 07:23
Aware. Please kindly avoid this place if possible. !
Would you happen to remember the name of the place by any chance?
Yes, a lot of places are rip offs in Patpong, but they do it because of sorry ass Tourists that pay these ridiculous amounts without fighting it off.
Why did you pay it? you could have easily stood your ground and they would have ended up charging you only for the beers (which at 300 a pop is already a ripoff itself).
Mate,
Sorry I cannot recall the name but it's on the second floor and it's not under King's Group. After the incident, I told my friend who is in Bangkok, he told me in patpong. The only pub we can go is those under King's Group.
Why I pay? Yeah. My friend say if money can settle then pay the money. ! They don't want to have any unhappy issues.
Anyway. My first and last. Trip to patpong. ! As for me. I will recommend tourist to go Soi cowboy or Nana to avoid any rip off. !
Cheers
Would you happen to remember the name of the place by any chance?
Yes, a lot of places are rip offs in Patpong, but they do it because of sorry ass Tourists that pay these ridiculous amounts without fighting it off.
Why did you pay it? you could have easily stood your ground and they would have ended up charging you only for the beers (which at 300 a pop is already a ripoff itself).
M P Lurker
05-07-08, 08:52
I told him the guy who bring us here inform there is no cover charge for the show. Then the so call boss start to raise up his voice and insist us to pay. In order to avoid any unhappy thing to happen we paid the bill the left the shop. It really spoil our whole nite mood.
Any experienced Monger knows you don't have to pay.
I have only experienced this twice but each time refused to pay for the "free" show.
I said that could feel free to call the police I would go get the tourist police myself, but would not pay for the show under any circumstances.
I was alone (not even in a group).
Kenny Rogers
05-24-08, 00:44
Aware. Please kindly avoid this place if possible. ! I have been frequent flyer to Bangkok for almost 3 years. And last week is my first time to Patpong. I have some friends follow me to Bangkok and want to pay a visit to Patpong. So I just bring them there. I told them Patpong is not a safe place but still they insist want to go then no choice. I just follow.
Was at Patpong around 9:00 p. M. And shop around and get some pirated DVD. As you know there is a lot of agogo shop around and my friend are interested on watching them. I told them Patpong is not safe and I recommend them to go soi cowboy. But still they want to watch at Patpong. Then no choice. There are many stupid thai gangster around introducing their shop to us. So my friend choose one of the guy shop and it was at the second floor of the shop. They guy told us there isn't any cover charge or extra charges for the show. What we need is to get a beer which is only cost 300 bahts per person.
While we are insides, the ladies are totally topless dancing on the stage. But I would rate them 5/10. Our drink was serve and within 5 minutes, the bill come. I was so shock as the bill cost us (6 of us) about 8000 bahts. I ask the so call boss (looks gangster than boss) why so expnsive. He then say the drink = 300 bahts and the show is 1000 bahts. Total each person is 1300 bahts. I told him the guy who bring us here inform there is no cover charge for the show. Then the so call boss start to raise up his voice and insist us to pay. In order to avoid any unhappy thing to happen we paid the bill the left the shop. It really spoil our whole nite mood.
In conclusion, I have been to soi cowboy for years and this kind of thing never happen before. The way of doing business is rubbish for Patpong. Please kindly avoid PATPONG. Soi Cowboy or Nana is better and safer for tourist.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Kiasi,
I don't doubt what you said, but the iron rule for Patpong (this does not hold true for Nana) is: NEVER frequent a 2nd floor bar. They seem to be mostly rip-offs. Now, let me get one thing straight: Most Thais can not stand it when you get loud. If you stand your ground without getting offensive people will back up. I know some of the "gangster"types in Patpong, I agree that they're not pleasant fellas but NONE of them will risk trouble in the open. Tourist police is tough on these guys.
I guess you just had some run of bad luck. Next time, raise your voice, try to be heard by other guests and stand your ground.
A small andecdote besides: Two years ago I was also in some 2nd floor joint in Patpong-I DID knew better, but well.
Girls were average and the place overcrowded. I ordered a Singha and wanted to pay, place was pretty dark. Accidentally I hit a 1000 Baht note instead of a 100, and the waiter was about to hit off without comment. I was pretty puzzled to see the bargirl next to me screaming "Scam" and "Rip-off". There was some heated discussion between the two and hesitantly the waiter returned 900 Baht. I gave the girl 500. She was not my type but honest. And left. I would not make a rule out of this, probably its an exception, but I almost all Thai people I meet are very honest. One reason why I like to come back.
And, in general, Bangkok is a REALLY safe city, compared to most others.
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Kiasi,
I don't doubt what you said, but the iron rule for Patpong (this does not hold true for Nana) is: NEVER frequent a 2nd floor bar. They seem to be mostly rip-offs. Now, let me get one thing straight: Most Thais can not stand it when you get loud. If you stand your ground without getting offensive people will back up. I know some of the "gangster"types in Patpong, I agree that they're not pleasant fellas but NONE of them will risk trouble in the open. Tourist police is tough on these guys.
I guess you just had some run of bad luck. Next time, raise your voice, try to be heard by other guests and stand your ground.
A small andecdote besides: Two years ago I was also in some 2nd floor joint in Patpong-I DID knew better, but well.
Girls were average and the place overcrowded. I ordered a Singha and wanted to pay, place was pretty dark. Accidentally I hit a 1000 Baht note instead of a 100, and the waiter was about to hit off without comment. I was pretty puzzled to see the bargirl next to me screaming "Scam" and "Rip-off". There was some heated discussion between the two and hesitantly the waiter returned 900 Baht. I gave the girl 500. She was not my type but honest. And left. I would not make a rule out of this, probably its an exception, but I almost all Thai people I meet are very honest. One reason why I like to come back.
And, in general, Bangkok is a REALLY safe city, compared to most others.
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If you don't want to be ripped off at 2nd floor bars on Patpong, stay with the ones that belong to Kong's Group. Among others they are the ones called king's castle and queen's castle.
Bhudda Gonewrong
05-28-08, 08:09
Hello fellas,
Anyone knows if the saunas at any hotel in Bangkok provide full service in guests rooms?
I'm new to Bangkok.
Any suggestions for good hotels with great saunas or massages?
Any tid bits would be greatly appreciated.
M P Lurker
05-29-08, 04:55
Hello fellas,
Anyone knows if the saunas at any hotel in Bangkok provide full service in guests rooms?
I'm new to Bangkok.
Any suggestions for good hotels with great saunas or massages?
Any tid bits would be greatly appreciated.
Bhudda (Gonewrong/scrambled),
Please view the Massage Parlour thread to gets lots of monger examples.
Why limit yourself to girls provided by the Hotel when you can get girls from anywhere that you choose?
You should check out lots of classic mongering locations recommended by this forum's threads, esecially the Massage threads.
"Soapies" (Turkish Baths) Map:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.77243,100.593138&spn=0.225747,0.357056&z=12
"Oily Massage Shops:"
http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.735008,100.565286&spn=0.028223,0.044632&z=15
The Grace Hotel used to have a massage fishbowl and could probably take girls back to your room (but no need). Anyway Grace girls were mostly too old and plump for me more to middle eastern customers perhaps.
The Raja Hotel I believe provides girls but I don't go there. However Annie's Massage & Sauna is right next door.
Usually the best Massage Places are not connected to Hotels but may be located very close to Hotels.
Turkish bath houses have good rooms so you don't need to take them to your Hotel room.
Not that much real Sauna activity going on here. Its a "Sauna" outside in this hot/wet season. :D
Dear Bro Kiasi,
It was a while ago we frequented the 141´s in HK. Still in the Northern part of this world, far far away from the Asian hunting grounds. Anyway, good to see you still fooling around.... ;-) Just be safe and careful wherever you go.
Curios, weren´t there 8 of you? A few years ago (already then Patpong was a well known place for scams) I warned my friend for going there. Still he brought his wife to be to see some real live sex show (to impress her o that she could learn something from that?). It all ended up he paying way beyond what only covered the drinks. What choices did he have then? He sat there, he and the wife to be, and also thougt that if money could solve the problem, let it be. That is why these (scam) bars continue their businesses.
Jazziton
Mate,
Sorry I cannot recall the name but it's on the second floor and it's not under King's Group. After the incident, I told my friend who is in Bangkok, he told me in patpong. The only pub we can go is those under King's Group.
Why I pay? Yeah. My friend say if money can settle then pay the money. ! They don't want to have any unhappy issues.
Anyway. My first and last. Trip to patpong. ! As for me. I will recommend tourist to go Soi cowboy or Nana to avoid any rip off. !
Cheers
Dear Bro Kiasi,
It was a while ago we frequented the 141´s in HK. Still in the Northern part of this world, far far away from the Asian hunting grounds. Anyway, good to see you still fooling around.... ;-) Just be safe and careful wherever you go.
Curios, weren´t there 8 of you? A few years ago (already then Patpong was a well known place for scams) I warned my friend for going there. Still he brought his wife to be to see some real live sex show (to impress her o that she could learn something from that?). It all ended up he paying way beyond what only covered the drinks. What choices did he have then? He sat there, he and the wife to be, and also thougt that if money could solve the problem, let it be. That is why these (scam) bars continue their businesses.
JazzitonIf you have trouble, pay up, leave the place and get back with the tourist police. Chances you get your money back are way in your favour.
Some time ago I brougt a thai friend (girl) to Patpong, because she had heard about the shows upstairs and wanted very much to have a look.
I agreed to go with her, and as I was expecting the bill for 2 Heineken beers was about 3500 bath.
I told them that the man downstairs said "free show" and there was now way I would pay that price.
Soon I had about 5 "big guys" around me telling me to pay if I did not want any trouble.
I then got of my chair raised my voice and said. "can anyone of you customers please go downstairs to get me a tourist police!!!"
The "big guys" left very quietly and we were given a new bill of 250 bath.
Who said "never to show anger in thailand"???
I am so fed up with people telling me that. If I am not treated like the generous and polite guest I am, I will truly show it. And it works.
Ken.
Could not agree more with you Ken. Sometimes, not always, getting loud and in their face works wonders.
The idea of always being meek, and taking it in the shorts doesn't sit well with me.
their MO is to scare you into paying. It must work well most of the time, or they would change their tactics.
I too am tired of reading all about "thai ways" and "thai culture" when it is always one sided. No one makes as big a deal about "thai culture" than the thais. I don't hear people asking tourists to respect the English culture, or the Swiss culture, or the south African culture, when they go on holiday. What culture are we talking about ? the art of hypocrisy?
And when you think about it, I can find more culture in yoghourt, than I can in thailand . mostly the culture I have found in thailand consists of smiling hypocritically, while trying to screw me over, and telling me to be calm and polite, as I am being relieved of my hard earned cash. Of course, I do give them credit where credit is due. They do apologize most of the time, while you are being fucked. (Case in point, when a LT suddenly turns into a ST due to a water buffalo that has just taken ill. God forbid you should cut the agreed to LT amount in half. But if you do, she will most probably back down. She is counting on you to just accept that instead of getting fucked, you have just gotten fucked out of your morning fuck)
Wow, just woke up, maybe I should go back to bed and start again.....
Could not agree more with you Ken. Sometimes, not always, getting loud and in their face works wonders.
The idea of always being meek, and taking it in the shorts doesn't sit well with me.
their MO is to scare you into paying. It must work well most of the time, or they would change their tactics.
I too am tired of reading all about "thai ways" and "thai culture" when it is always one sided. No one makes as big a deal about "thai culture" than the thais. I don't hear people asking tourists to respect the English culture, or the Swiss culture, or the south African culture, when they go on holiday. What culture are we talking about ? the art of hypocrisy?
And when you think about it, I can find more culture in yoghourt, than I can in thailand . mostly the culture I have found in thailand consists of smiling hypocritically, while trying to screw me over, and telling me to be calm and polite, as I am being relieved of my hard earned cash. Of course, I do give them credit where credit is due. They do apologize most of the time, while you are being fucked. (Case in point, when a LT suddenly turns into a ST due to a water buffalo that has just taken ill. God forbid you should cut the agreed to LT amount in half. But if you do, she will most probably back down. She is counting on you to just accept that instead of getting fucked, you have just gotten fucked out of your morning fuck)
Wow, just woke up, maybe I should go back to bed and start again.....
Just out of curiosity, do you live in Thailand? And if so, why do you stay? I would hate to live in a country inhabited by people as bad as those you describe...
No, Dreams, I do not, and would not.
I used to visit 7 or 8 times a year, and have cut that back drastically, to the point it is now just for 2 days transits here and there.
Where do you live ???
No, Dreams, I do not, and would not.
I used to visit 7 or 8 times a year, and have cut that back drastically, to the point it is now just for 2 days transits here and there.
Where do you live ???
In the UK..
I was just under the impression you lived there, but since you dislike them so much you are taking the right measure, just don't go!!
I travel a lot in Asia,and enjoy wherever I go, without judging. I pick up what is best, and leave what is not. That has served me well, I love Bangkok, Singapore, Tokyo... And even London, believe it or not..
Peace
Sometimes, not always, getting loud and in their face works wonders. The idea of always being meek, and taking it in the shorts doesn't sit well with me.I agree. I'm a nonconfrontational kind of guy (I prefer to talk my way out of trouble), but occasionally just talking in not enough. Here's a link to a "rip off" situation I was in a couple of years ago, where getting loud - and aggressive - was necessary.
http://InternationalSexGuide.info=2fforum=2fshowpost.php=3fp=3d445214=26postcount=3d147
I'd skip PatPong completely. Too many scams there. But if you ever need to go, do not keep a running bill. Pay as soon as the drinks arrive.You take charge of the situation, otherwise you don't know what you get hit with. That has worked for me before but at times you need to be loud and at Patpong being meek will cause you to be ripped off. also avoid tuk tuks in Bangkok, another scam targeted at tourist.
M P Lurker
11-20-08, 14:55
I'd skip PatPong completely. Too many scams there. But if you ever need to go, do not keep a running bill. Pay as soon as the drinks arrive.You take charge of the situation, otherwise you don't know what you get hit with. That has worked for me before but at times you need to be loud and at Patpong being meek will cause you to be ripped off. also avoid tuk tuks in Bangkok, another scam targeted at tourist.
I don't go to Patpong often but there are some bars not ripping you off like Star of Light.
Tuk Tuks can be useful also when you have to get through heavy traffic quickly, but not recommended if price is all important or if you don't know what a reasonable should be to get there.
Starchild2012
11-20-08, 16:11
Could not agree more with you Ken. Sometimes, not always, getting loud and in their face works wonders.
The idea of always being meek, and taking it in the shorts doesn't sit well with me.
their MO is to scare you into paying. It must work well most of the time, or they would change their tactics.
I too am tired of reading all about "thai ways" and "thai culture" when it is always one sided. No one makes as big a deal about "thai culture" than the thais. I don't hear people asking tourists to respect the English culture, or the Swiss culture, or the south African culture, when they go on holiday. What culture are we talking about ? the art of hypocrisy?
And when you think about it, I can find more culture in yoghourt, than I can in thailand . mostly the culture I have found in thailand consists of smiling hypocritically, while trying to screw me over, and telling me to be calm and polite, as I am being relieved of my hard earned cash. Of course, I do give them credit where credit is due. They do apologize most of the time, while you are being fucked. (Case in point, when a LT suddenly turns into a ST due to a water buffalo that has just taken ill. God forbid you should cut the agreed to LT amount in half. But if you do, she will most probably back down. She is counting on you to just accept that instead of getting fucked, you have just gotten fucked out of your morning fuck)
Wow, just woke up, maybe I should go back to bed and start again.....
1Ball...LOL that was funny...I'm from Asia.....it wont be funny unless i say it racially....white guys have being suckered into Asia for ages in the name of culture, cast, creed and buddha...when infact we Asians have the same desires and want as you guys do...
Just because Asia is old historically does not imply we have differennt psycological make up....we are as vulnerable and hypocritical as anyone from any place on earth..
This culture thing is a s**it concept which does go easy with the white guys as they want "CHANGE" and are always looking for somthing new and advenetures...something different from where they came..
even we asians want change and we dont like where we live...you can judge that by the number of migrants that move to Europe and America...ask them about why they left their glorified culture to the non cultural west if they are so proud of theur culture but most of them are not so rich as west so we stck to our god damm culture concept to make extra money and survive who ever comes to our country inthe name of finding a culture and different concept.
This whole culture thing from Thailand to India to China is a one big bufflow sh**t as you said and nothing else.
Do anyone care that...while building Taj Mahal in India...over 30 thousand craftsmans hands were cut off....cos they could not replicate anything like that ever.
While building Great wall...millions were buried in the wall itself..what about pyramid same story...its a brutal history that Asia proudly calls its culture and sucks in the white dudes from all over the world.
I think this will never stop...only way is to self educate one self and move on
i don't go to patpong often but there are some bars not ripping you off like star of light. tuk tuks can be useful also when you have to get through heavy traffic quickly, but not recommended if price is all important or if you don't know what a reasonable should be to get there.
patpong's not a total loss. i've lived nearby on and off for the past few years and i know the area fairly well.
just outside the very useful star of light there's an old-fashioned beer bar (cleo beer bar) with nice ladies to pass the time with (they're also available for take-away). cleo's old mamasan (aka big boss) is a classic! she's been running patpong bars since the viet nam era.
don't forget jc infinity massage for a friendly clean-up and fun time. there's a few 8s & 9s in there.
there's quite a few good traditional thai massage places rep001tered around full of pretty young (and not so young) women eager to meet a farang boyfriend. i met my sweet gf (of two years now) at a shop on soi thaniya.
there are also some excellent restaurants across silom on the side sois (soi convent, soi sala daeng, soi phiphant), and decent hotels (siri sathorn, swiss lodge, silom serene) with easy access to the bts.
the patpong night market is a good place to pick up last minute presents before flying back to farang land. you can bargain for great prices after midnight.
one thing i will report, though, is that i've never seen anything quite as unique and crazy as patpong at about 2:30 am when everything is closing up and all the workers are out on the street. quite an amazing scene, to say the least, especially with heavy beer goggles on!
One thing I will report, though, is that I've never seen anything quite as unique and crazy as Patpong at about 2:30 AM when everything is closing up and all the workers are out on the street. Quite an amazing scene, to say the least, especially with beer goggles on!
I have seen it myself once or twice, and it is quite amazing. Fon tok, how about you grab your trusty camera and snap a few pics of the brouhaha that takes place at that time. I am sure many would marvel at the activity.
Mosquito2002
05-20-09, 16:54
Surprised this tread isn't more active, last entry was 6 months ago!!!
Places change so often here in Thailand, so I really can't name any places I frequent or recently visited that I'd void.
However, I'm sure there are more adventurous readers/members out there!!!
Fifty Fifty
05-21-09, 06:16
Surprised this tread isn't more active, last entry was 6 months ago!!!
Places change so often here in Thailand, so I really can't name any places I frequent or recently visited that I'd void.
However, I'm sure there are more adventurous readers/members out there!!!
I used to visit Absolute 7 Bar on Soi 7/1 Sukhumvit. The music and Live bands were good and it was a great place to take a girl or even pick up. A lot of the Soi 7 Biergarden girls would move there around 10 pm, presumably after ST deals etc. There were also plenty of Freelancers and the drink prices were very reasonable and the food was also quite good.
Last visit in April - I witnessed an almost total change.
Bar has changed its name to ''Bangkok Beat'' the prices are through the roof, eg small Singha now 130 THB (or more now tax has gone up too). The girls cannot afford to sit there nursing a drink all night whilst waiting for customers so they have disappeared along with the decent band too.
The music is crap and the place is expensive and empty, the only thing that hasnt changed is the disgraceful washrooms.
A place to avoid, not for any rip-off or scam, but just cos it is crap.
Cheers, FF
Redfield10
05-21-09, 07:20
Fifty,
Howdy my friend! That's so sad to hear. I enjoyed that place immensely. When I get tired of the Beer Garden, I'd stroll down and listen to some great music and hang out with a great mixture of regular Thai women and some "working girls. "
Well, hopefully there is a substitue place in the area. Let us know when you find it and keep the reports coming.
Cheers
I used to visit Absolute 7 Bar on Soi 7/1 Sukhumvit. The music and Live bands were good and it was a great place to take a girl or even pick up. A lot of the Soi 7 Biergarden girls would move there around 10 pm, presumably after ST deals etc. There were also plenty of Freelancers and the drink prices were very reasonable and the food was also quite good.
Last visit in April - I witnessed an almost total change.
Bar has changed its name to ''Bangkok Beat'' the prices are through the roof, eg small Singha now 130 THB (or more now tax has gone up too). The girls cannot afford to sit there nursing a drink all night whilst waiting for customers so they have disappeared along with the decent band too.
The music is crap and the place is expensive and empty, the only thing that hasnt changed is the disgraceful washrooms.
A place to avoid, not for any rip-off or scam, but just cos it is crap.
Cheers, FF
M P Lurker
05-21-09, 09:39
Surprised this tread isn't more active, last entry was 6 months ago!!!
Places change so often here in Thailand, so I really can't name any places I frequent or recently visited that I'd void.
However, I'm sure there are more adventurous readers/members out there!!!I also wonder why this thread is quiet. :confused:
We get many negative posts in the normal threads.
If they landed here, people could ignore tham more easily.
I used to visit Absolute 7 Bar on Soi 7/1 Sukhumvit. The music and Live bands were good and it was a great place to take a girl or even pick up. A lot of the Soi 7 Biergarden girls would move there around 10 pm, presumably after ST deals etc. There were also plenty of Freelancers and the drink prices were very reasonable and the food was also quite good.
Last visit in April - I witnessed an almost total change.
Bar has changed its name to ''Bangkok Beat'' the prices are through the roof, eg small Singha now 130 THB (or more now tax has gone up too). The girls cannot afford to sit there nursing a drink all night whilst waiting for customers so they have disappeared along with the decent band too.
The music is crap and the place is expensive and empty, the only thing that hasnt changed is the disgraceful washrooms.
A place to avoid, not for any rip-off or scam, but just cos it is crap.
Cheers, FFI'll be damn. I really liked this place both for the ambience and the music. A good place to have a beer. Also it somethimes had some quite decnt looking girls. Have to drop by next month and see how bad it has turned.
Mosquito2002
05-22-09, 17:00
Soap Fan,
I'm a all in one shopper and like to keep thing simple, one tread to identify places not to visit. Of course, those places listed may have to be visited just out of couriousity........but at least we'll know what to watch out for!!!
This goes with place in BKK change daily, and I expect we'll get updates/praises of places that show up on the avoid list in a couple of months down the line!!!
If you get into any taxi or tuk tuk, the first thing that the driver will try to do is to convince you to go to one of his special massage places. DON'T!
I did a research mission and all of the places they take you to all LOW quality places, which pay commission to the drivers. All of the high end places will charge the same prices, but will not pay commission to these scammers, so they will not want to take you there.
Also don't let tuk tuk driver give you the "free tour " or recommend a Seafood restaurant. They will OVER charge you. And you will end up paying 2000B for a steamed fish, which normally cost 150B.
DO NOT trust taxi drivers or tuk tuk drivers! Also don't trust anyone in Thailand and keep your money safe.
Be well
Unlike Nana and Soi Cowboy bars, which are own by foreigners with Thai wife. The bars in Patpong are own by local Thai mafia, gangsters, or Thai police officals. They will scam you and there's nothing you can do about it in Patpong.
Even the street vendors in Patpong think they are above the law because they paid the mafia off. Recently, the police came by to clean up all of the illegal sold goods and the vendors got into a fist to fist flight with the police. ( hopefully, this paints the picture you need for Patpong)
Also Avoid the Taxis and Tuk Tuk directly outside Patpong, they are control by the Thai Mafia. Instead walk down the road a few blocks and cross the street to the otherside to get honest taxis.
honest taxis.
An new oxymoron to add to my list.
Jumbo shrimp
Legal ethics
Military intelligence
Living dead
Icy hot
Honest taxis
Even the street vendors in Patpong think they are above the law because they paid the mafia off. Recently, the police came by to clean up all of the illegal sold goods and the vendors got into a fist to fist flight with the police. ( hopefully, this paints the picture you need for Patpong)
I heard about that and I was most definitely rooting for the venders - those freedom fighters sold lots of cheap pornos and suchlike. The police are just thugs for a bigger mafia - the international 'intellectual property' mafia and the anti-porn moral majority.
Personally I have had lots of good times in Patpong, but obviously I only ever went to Star of Light (or in the old days Kangaroo, Star of Love, etc.).
Hello, I'm planning on going to Bangkok in June. I am planning to have sex on the trip and right now the plan is to do business with the escort services. Specifically, I'm thinking about Bangkok Rendezvous (http://www.bangkokrendezvous.com) and bkk escorts (http://bkk-escorts.myescortpage.com). I'm also planning on getting the girls checked up at a clinic for STD and using a condom. Anyone know if these services are reliable and legit? Anyone know of a good place to get STD check ups? Anyone have advice on how to best find food and avoid bad taxis? I know I shouldn't trust anyone there but I have to do business with someone if I want to eat and get around. I know the risks of STDs are pretty high but I'm not going to remain a virgin for life so I'm willing to take risks. Are there any other ways to cut down on my risks?
Never Never Never Never use Escort Services.
They are nearly all a rip off, crap service for a high price and lots of people taking big cuts along the way.
Take a 1000B short time girl, and charge 4000B.
The pimps and internet pimps and other tossers split the 3000B of the 4000B, the girls gets her usual 1000B and you have paid 4000B for a 1000B girl.
This IS BANGKOK ESCORT SERVICES IN GENERAL.
AVOID AT ALL COSTS, thats my opinion.
Hello, I'm planning on going to Bangkok in June. I am planning to have sex on the trip and right now the plan is to do business with the escort services. Specifically, I'm thinking about Bangkok Rendezvous (http://www.bangkokrendezvous.com) and bkk escorts (http://bkk-escorts.myescortpage.com). I'm also planning on getting the girls checked up at a clinic for STD and using a condom. Anyone know if these services are reliable and legit? Anyone know of a good place to get STD check ups? Anyone have advice on how to best find food and avoid bad taxis? I know I shouldn't trust anyone there but I have to do business with someone if I want to eat and get around. I know the risks of STDs are pretty high but I'm not going to remain a virgin for life so I'm willing to take risks. Are there any other ways to cut down on my risks?
Never Never Never Never use Escort Services.
They are nearly all a rip off, crap service for a high price and lots of people taking big cuts along the way.
Take a 1000B short time girl, and charge 4000B.
The pimps and internet pimps and other tossers split the 3000B of the 4000B, the girls gets her usual 1000B and you have paid 4000B for a 1000B girl.
This IS BANGKOK ESCORT SERVICES IN GENERAL.
AVOID AT ALL COSTS, thats my opinion.What would be a good idea? Go to Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza to the go-go bars? I am looking for a very attractive girl (preferably 18-20) and willing to pay greatly for it(preferably for a 24 hour deal). Is that available in Bangkok and what's the best way to get it?
PS: Thanks for the advise.
IrishLager
05-31-09, 02:40
Never Never Never Never use Escort Services.
They are nearly all a rip off, crap service for a high price and lots of people taking big cuts along the way.
Take a 1000B short time girl, and charge 4000B.
The pimps and internet pimps and other tossers split the 3000B of the 4000B, the girls gets her usual 1000B and you have paid 4000B for a 1000B girl.
This IS BANGKOK ESCORT SERVICES IN GENERAL.
AVOID AT ALL COSTS, thats my opinion.
Agreed 100%. Lots os airbrushing on their websites. I had one come to my room once and was quite disappointed. Total rip-off. If you want a hot girl to outcall to your room, line it up through a massage place like Angel 26. Lot of great girls there and even if she looks a little less attractive than the pic on the website, your only paying about 2500 BT as opposed to the 4-5k the escorts want. And, you could always send her away with taxi fare if you're totally disappointed with her looks.
Hello, I'm planning on going to Bangkok in June. I am planning to have sex on the trip and right now the plan is to do business with the escort services. Specifically, I'm thinking about Bangkok Rendezvous (http://www.bangkokrendezvous.com) and bkk escorts (http://bkk-escorts.myescortpage.com). I'm also planning on getting the girls checked up at a clinic for STD and using a condom. Anyone know if these services are reliable and legit? Anyone know of a good place to get STD check ups? Anyone have advice on how to best find food and avoid bad taxis? I know I shouldn't trust anyone there but I have to do business with someone if I want to eat and get around. I know the risks of STDs are pretty high but I'm not going to remain a virgin for life so I'm willing to take risks. Are there any other ways to cut down on my risks?
The way you plan it seems very complicated and with your 'I want to fuck, but want to avoid all risks' it sounds that you are completely a newbie in this business. Your fear factor right now will not let you enjoy it. The question rises: have you been at all abroad somewhere before? With being so much afraid about everything, you need a week to organize and then you are dedicated to a person difficult to change, as another would need to go through the process as well.
My recommendation: don't go to Thailand yet; you are not ready for it yet. I recommend taking a trip to Germany and checking some FKK or Partyrtreff for your own education and for lowering your fear factor in general. It is save even by your standards and current fear factor. You need to be more relaxed first, before approaching the 'jungle' in Thailand out there.
Reserve Thailand for another trip.
Regards
Brain666
The way you plan it seems very complicated and with your 'I want to fuck, but want to avoid all risks' it sounds that you are completely a newbie in this business. Your fear factor right now will not let you enjoy it. The question rises: have you been at all abroad somewhere before? With being so much afraid about everything, you need a week to organize and then you are dedicated to a person difficult to change, as another would need to go through the process as well.
My recommendation: don't go to Thailand yet; you are not ready for it yet. I recommend taking a trip to Germany and checking some FKK or Partyrtreff for your own education and for lowering your fear factor in general. It is save even by your standards and current fear factor. You need to be more relaxed first, before approaching the 'jungle' in Thailand out there.
Reserve Thailand for another trip.
Regards
Brain666I realize that there are and always will be risks, and I'm willing to take some risks. I just don't see any need to make those risks any more than they need to be. Condoms are not that bad and can really help reduce some of the risks. I've been reading up on it more and more and Tulip seems fun even though the girls aren't as hot as I'd like. Pattaya seems to be a good hot spot. Just thought I'd come and look for some advice and I appreciate your advice.
Hello, I'm planning on going to Bangkok in June. I know the risks of STDs are pretty high but I'm not going to remain a virgin for life so I'm willing to take risks. Are there any other ways to cut down on my risks?
That would be a most unfortunate experience, catching an STD or worse on your first try. Yes, covering up may reduce your risks but may not produce the natural feel you deserve on that first attempt. Get a GF, even if you have to buy one to reduce the risk and enhance your enjoyment.
Professor 1
05-31-09, 03:57
What would be a good idea? Go to Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza to the go-go bars? I am looking for a very attractive girl (preferably 18-20) and willing to pay greatly for it(preferably for a 24 hour deal). Is that available in Bangkok and what's the best way to get it?
You DO NOT need to pay greatly. Read the Bangkok, Thailand thread and follow the discussion. You can go to Nana, e.g., get a bar girl. I suggest that you take her short-time. If you like her, take her long-time the next day. Again, read the Bangkok board. The regulars will provide valuable advice.
M P Lurker
05-31-09, 11:08
Hello, I'm planning on going to Bangkok in June. I am planning to have sex on the trip and right now the plan is to do business with the escort services. Specifically, I'm thinking about Bangkok Rendezvous (http://www.bangkokrendezvous.com) and bkk escorts (http://bkk-escorts.myescortpage.com). I'm also planning on getting the girls checked up at a clinic for STD and using a condom. Anyone know if these services are reliable and legit? Anyone know of a good place to get STD check ups? Anyone have advice on how to best find food and avoid bad taxis? I know I shouldn't trust anyone there but I have to do business with someone if I want to eat and get around. I know the risks of STDs are pretty high but I'm not going to remain a virgin for life so I'm willing to take risks. Are there any other ways to cut down on my risks?There are plenty of clinics to get STD checks for yourself.
But its quite rude to be asking a girl to go for check that you don't know well.
Simply use condoms and be careful with your fingers after they have been in the pussy.
As you seem paranoid, I assume that you are married or have a steady GF. So get yourself checked at the end of the trip to BKK and again after a few days back home, meanwhile refusing sex with the Mrs till all clear given, and take a Zithromax just in case.
P.S. Very few absolute stunners in the bars these days to my taste and can be hard to get to. I suggest turn up to bar like Shark very early (8PM) before best girls are taken.
I don't use escort services because I want to see the girl for a while before choosing her.
You will need to find out if girl can stay a long time with you, before taking her. Not all will do it.
They may have personal committments.
But many will stay for as long as you like if money is good.
What would be a good idea? Go to Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza to the go-go bars? I am looking for a very attractive girl (preferably 18-20) and willing to pay greatly for it(preferably for a 24 hour deal). Is that available in Bangkok and what's the best way to get it?
PS: Thanks for the advise.There are a lot of 18-20 yrs old girls working in the go-go bars. Even an occasional virgin or two, who just started. They are made to work everyday and only allow 2 days off a month, so chances are you will see someone that you'd like. I would recommend lounging around the entrance bars at 6pm that when the girls start showing up. If you see someone you like you can either ask her or note which bars she went into and follow her there.
Joe Friday 60
06-01-09, 14:07
I agree with Brain 666, though I'm not sure about the recommendation to start in Germany. Trake's fears will paralyze him, and until and unless he can begin to relax and enjoy life he won't have any fun wherever he goes. Some people aren't cut out for mongering, and you shouldn't feel ashamed if you are one of them and you shouldn't feel you have to prove something to yourself or someone else by doing something that makes you so uncomfortable.
I assume you didn't mean literally that you are a virgin, but if you are - or even if you're not - try and find a girl the conventional way by meeting one you like, going out with her a few times, and then sleeping with her. Once you have done that a few times with a few different girls and you're comfortable with it, then maybe you can think of going for the pros. The two experiences are different, and it doesn't hurt to know the one before you try the other.
The way you plan it seems very complicated and with your 'I want to fuck, but want to avoid all risks' it sounds that you are completely a newbie in this business. Your fear factor right now will not let you enjoy it. The question rises: have you been at all abroad somewhere before? With being so much afraid about everything, you need a week to organize and then you are dedicated to a person difficult to change, as another would need to go through the process as well.
My recommendation: don't go to Thailand yet; you are not ready for it yet. I recommend taking a trip to Germany and checking some FKK or Partyrtreff for your own education and for lowering your fear factor in general. It is save even by your standards and current fear factor. You need to be more relaxed first, before approaching the 'jungle' in Thailand out there.
Reserve Thailand for another trip.
Regards
Brain666
I would recommend Montreal Canada if you are a newbie. The girls there are classy and they are straight forward and no game, but you get the GFE as you would with a girlfriend.
I had my first p4p experience there and have been back over 10 times. Lots of good memories with some of the hottest girls around. Some the girls there can easily grace the cover of the most glamorous magazines. Try http://www.eleganzaescorts.com/ I have had the best experience with them.
On top of the hottest girls, the city of Montreal is beautiful and stress free, unlike Bangkok where you can not even get in a cab without being rip off.
I would agree with Joe and Brain leave Thailand for another trip. Trust me I had over 200+ p4p encounters prior to my arrival in BKK and it still shocked me when I first got here.
You DO NOT need to pay greatly.
Depends on your definition of 'greatly'. Last I heard, all the prices are enormous in Nana.
NicFrenchy
06-05-09, 01:42
Trust me I had over 200+ p4p encounters prior to my arrival in BKK and it still shocked me when I first got here.
Let me see if I get this right: you said you were 30, fir, had money right? then why the need to look for P4P?
Let me see if I get this right: you said you were 30, fir, had money right? then why the need to look for P4P?
Probaby because p4p is better for your health and your wallet than wives, girlfriends, or giks. ;)
My recommendation: don't go to Thailand yet; you are not ready for it yet. I recommend taking a trip to Germany and checking some FKK or Partyrtreff for your own education and for lowering your fear factor in general. It is save even by your standards and current fear factor. You need to be more relaxed first, before approaching the 'jungle' in Thailand out there.
Reserve Thailand for another trip.I wonder why you would say German FKK is safer.
Tulip seems fun even though the girls aren't as hot as I'd like.You must be using the word "hot" differently to the standard definition...
You might want to avoid the shops at BKKs Suvarnabhumi airport.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/149836/crackdown-at-suvarnabhumi-from-july-28
"Suvarnabhumi crackdown next week"
Writer: BangkokPost.com
Published: 22/07/2009 at 06:35 PM
A major crackdown on illegal taxis and unlicensed guides will be conducted at Suvarnabhumi airport starting July 28, according to a notice put up by the Airports of Thailand Plc in the airport on Wednesday.
The crackdown will be jointly carried out by AoT, which is the airport operator.
It is enlisting the Land Transport Department and Special Operations Division, provincial police from Samut Prakan and tourist police to help.
The move came after Transport Minister Sohpon Zarum made an inspection trip to the airport and ordered the AoT to step up measures to prevent extortion gangs preying on foreign air passengers.
Mr Sohpon managed to avoid any comment on worldwide reports of an organised gang operating from duty-free shops, whose members have reportedly cheated tens of thousands of baht from foreign tourists.
The reports claim that the gangs, apparently operating in collusion with shop employees and rogue policemen, intimidate and browbeat accused foreign shoplifters and thieves into paying large "fines" in order to escape lengthy incarceration and trial and return to their own countries.
At least one European country has warned its citizens not to shop in the duty-free area of Suvarnabhumi at all, and the alleged cheating has been featured in reports by the BBC, among others.
The duty-free scams are in addition to the longtime Bangkok airport problems of so-called "black-licence taxis" which have no authorisation to carry passengers, and airport touts who try to steer naive arriving tourists to unwanted hotels and shady businesses.
"Warning: Suvarnabhumi-Scam with terrible consequences"
By Charlotte Lund Dideriksen
An increasing number of tourists has been subjected to a very severe scam in Suvarnabhumi airport in Bangkok, where they are accused for theft and held back until a considerable bribe is paid.
According to the British newspaper the Times, the scam can have serous consequences for the victims, such as a couple from Cambridge recently experienced.
They were falsely accused of shoplifting in Bangkok airport and were forced to pay £8,000 in bribes to secure their release are to take legal action for compensation. Stephen Ingram, 49, and Xi Lin, 45, both technology professionals from Cambridge, were detained by security guards as they went to board Qantas flight QF1 to London. They were accused of taking a Givenchy wallet worth £121 from a King Power duty-free shop and were handed over to the police. An official release order from the local Thai prosecutor’s office subsequently conceded there was no evidence against them.
The British couple was freed five days later after a frightening ordeal in which they said they were threatened and held against their will at a cheap motel on the airport perimeter until they had handed over the money. The bribes were paid to an intermediary named Sunil “Tony” Rathnayaka, a Sri Lankan national in his fifties who works as a “volunteer” interpreter for Thailand’s tourist police The newspaper states, that the Cambridge-teachers either are the first nor the last to have experiences a scam like that.
The best way to avoid the scam is to do as much of your shopping as possible outside the airport, be cautious on your belongings, so nobody would be slipping something into you back and to double (or triple-) check the receipt if you do buy something in the airport shops.
Created 2009-07-01
Original news source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6590584.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1
http://www.scandasia.com/viewNews.php?news_id=5547&coun_code=dk
Satrai2000
07-28-09, 21:27
Hello, I'm planning on going to Bangkok in June. I am planning to have sex on the trip and right now the plan is to do business with the escort services. Specifically, I'm thinking about Bangkok Rendezvous (http://www.bangkokrendezvous.com) and BKK escorts (http://BKK-escorts. Myescortpage.com). I'm also planning on getting the girls checked up at a clinic for STD and using a condom. Anyone know if these services are reliable and legit? Anyone know of a good place to get STD check ups? Anyone have advice on how to best find food and avoid bad taxis? I know I shouldn't trust anyone there but I have to do business with someone if I want to eat and get around. I know the risks of STDs are pretty high but I'm not going to remain a virgin for life so I'm willing to take risks. Are there any other ways to cut down on my risks? IMHO this post deserves to be in the "Top-10 of weird posts" in the ISGC BKK. My good gracious.
Fifty Fifty
08-05-09, 02:34
Hello, I'm planning on going to Bangkok in June. I am planning to have sex on the trip and right now the plan is to do business with the escort services. Specifically, I'm thinking about Bangkok Rendezvous (http://www.bangkokrendezvous.com) and bkk escorts (http://bkk-escorts.myescortpage.com). I'm also planning on getting the girls checked up at a clinic for STD and using a condom. Anyone know if these services are reliable and legit? Anyone know of a good place to get STD check ups? Anyone have advice on how to best find food and avoid bad taxis? I know I shouldn't trust anyone there but I have to do business with someone if I want to eat and get around. I know the risks of STDs are pretty high but I'm not going to remain a virgin for life so I'm willing to take risks. Are there any other ways to cut down on my risks?
Agree this has to be in the Top 10 weird posts of them all, yet I see plenty of replies and some of them giving the original poster very good advice.
The best I could give is ''forget all the RISK crap' and stop worrying about trusting people, Thailand is no different to the rest of the world when it comes to rip-offs these days.
Post details of your trip in ''Travel Plans and Arrangements'' thread then arrange to meet up with a 'decent' (if there is one) fellow member to show you the ropes - that way you are almost guaranteed to enjoy yourself.
Cheers, FF
Frankfurter
08-07-09, 20:19
Trake:
After you checked in into your hotel in BKK I would make a reservation for a nice session at Eden Club, Sukhumvit Soi7/1, run by a fine French gentlemen by the name of Marc. (I think he also has the girls STD checked every day or so.)
Check a girl from the right side of the yellow line and ask her to select another girl herself from the left. (Don't just sit on the bar and drink. Marc doesn't like that.)
Enjoy.
Frank
Please avoid any places that a taxi or tuk tuk driver recommends or offers to take you.
Massages- I have been to these places and the girls are of the lower quality and the prices are jacked up ( commission for driver included). You are better of going to Rachada and getting off at the MRT Huay Hwang Station. ( To access MRT line just go to the Sukumvit Station and ask the attendant) The prices are way cheaper and the quality is unbelievable.
Restaurants-These scammers like to take you to seafood restaurant where the the prices is ridiculous. My friend was charge 2000B for a Steamed Sea-bass and a coke. (again commission for taxi driver)
Tourist attractions- Yes, these are scams too because someone will pose as another tourist you will try to run the classic Gem scam on you. This friendly fellow tourist will strike up a conversation with you about how he's buying these under value gems and shipping them out to "your country" for a profit. Guranteed Profit! He tells you.You will end up buying a bunch of useless rocks.
Fellow expats- Buying busy establishments
So you love Thailand and want to start something here. You happen to see an ad about a busy bar that is for sale. You contact the owner who will arrange for you to come check out the bar. Be very careful because the books might be cooked and the customers you saw upon your visit might be paid actors. There are many expats here you will come to a place for a free drink. Yes, that is all it takes.
On top of all of this is debts. The current owner might have outstanding debts to with the local mafia, police, etc.
Remember-There are just as many shady foreigners here as there are Thai, so be warned.
www.bangkokgoldescorts.com
Want to know the truth of this web based agencies past?
Guess its time to tell all fellow ISG members the truth!
Went into Joy Bar stone cold sober last week. Two unattractives sit next to me before I order my drinks. I then order my lone drink from the server and head off to the bathroom. Upon returning, in addition to my drink, the two unattractives have the expensive lady drinks in front of them. I tell them I am not stupid and didn't order them. They protest and insist I ordered them. I find this odd since I hadn't exchanged any words with them and merely uttered SM light to the sever. I paid for my drink and got out of dodge.
Papaya4711
08-16-09, 19:11
Trake:
After you checked in into your hotel in BKK I would make a reservation for a nice session at Eden Club, Sukhumvit Soi7/1, run by a fine French gentlemen by the name of Marc. (I think he also has the girls STD checked every day or so.)
Check a girl from the right side of the yellow line and ask her to select another girl herself from the left. (Don't just sit on the bar and drink. Marc doesn't like that.)
Enjoy.
FrankPapa Marc has left Eden Club years ago.
After traveling around Thailand for three weeks I stopped by the Big Mango when I arrived back in Bangkok. I really wanted the hamburger there, as it had been three weeks of Thai food. Biggest mistake of a one month vacation. I'm not sure if was the burger or the dirty table ware but this place caused me the worst diarrhea that you can imagine, thank god for Imodium and cypro. The shits didn't happen until much later that day, but the other thing about this place is that they short changed me also. It was my fault as I did not count my change before I left the place, but if 100 baht is so important to this place, they can have it, I just am never going back. When I figured it out I meant to go back but that is right around the time the shits started. Take care.
Primo Bolan
08-22-09, 20:13
Where is the big mongo?
Mr Enternational
08-22-09, 21:42
After traveling around Thailand for three weeks I stopped by the Big Mango when I arrived back in Bangkok.
Huh? I thought they closed last year or so.
NicFrenchy
09-10-09, 06:45
Huh? I thought they closed last year or so.
They closed in NEP but reopened at a different location still on soi 4
http://www.bigmangobar.com/
LittleBigMan
09-11-09, 02:43
I heard BigMango, was across the Soi, from Grace Hotel?
LBM
Where is the big mongo?
The Big Mango
Getting There: Take BTS to Nana Station. Walk towards Soi 4 and then make a left on Soi 4. Walk down Soi 4 on the left-hand side for about 5 minutes. When you reach Jools Bar make a left down that small sub-soi across the street from the 7-11. The Big Mango Bar will be on the left. Look for the Heineken and green Big Mango Bar sign.
It's fun and, uh, filled with talent. I'm sorry nedword had a bad experience, but I think that's rare.
~TTG
Big Mango bar had/has a habit of leaving the mayo squeeze bottle out on the tables and not in the fridge.
The mayo would be out for hours with people using it on their hamburgers.
Evil Penivel
09-13-09, 05:59
Papa Marc has left Eden Club years ago.
Marc retired as the manager of Eden about two years ago. He remains as a part owner and is still involved in the direction of the club but not on a day-to-day basis.
Evil
LittleBigMan
09-13-09, 10:09
TimTimGuy,
In regards to your direction. It sounds like the BigMango is next door to the Nana City Inn, which is right across from the courtyard of Raja Hotel?
The burger and chips look good just don't put Mayo on it, otherwise you get a unexpected Colon cleaning!
LBM
LittleBigMan
12-19-09, 09:19
I felt after this incident that this report should be located here!
Aeon ATM machine in Pattaya!
As it has been noted! That it might be the last ATM machine not charging the 150 Baht. Since the charge several months ago I have mainly use Aeon at Lotus.
But on 25th of November, I put my card in and requested 15,000 baht, after nearly 2 minutes I got a respond that " Transaction couldn't be process " I tried the other ATM, same response, within the Mall I tried Saim, Bangkok Bank, and Ayathya. Feeling something was wrong since I knew I had money in my account, I checked by phone my account in U.S. at transaction withdraw had been made by Aeon for $456.08 which I never got a dime.
Contacted my Bank in U.S. and explained and finally the transaction was reverse and money replaced but very unnerving!
Since that time I just decided to use others and pay the amount 150 baht, but today at Carrefour I said what the heck need a few baht. Put in the card requested 10,000 baht ( $301.00 ), the transaction time just kept running and I saying to myself " Oh Fuck not again " respond " Transaction can't be process " I pick up my phone called my U.S. account and a pending transaction to Aeon " was pending " ( $301.00 ).
Will contact the U.S. bank again in the morning to let them know what happened and that is the end of my busy with Aeon. I contacted Aeon Headquarters email and told them my story and play to let people know what is going on with their machines.
Later before leaving Carrefour, I had to use the bathroom and noticed that other Farangs using the machines was getting the same message. I intervened and told them my situation and that they should check their accounts back home. While I was talking the Thai girl with the Farang acting like I was going to rob him or something pull him away while I was talking. I guess looking Thai has it minuses!
Warning on Aeon Bank ATM! LBM
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Warning on Aeon Bank ATM! LBM
Thank you for the warning, LBM! Have you recently checked Bank of Ayudhya ATMs? I've used one a few days ago in Udon Thani for a withdrawal with my French Visa card and haven't been charged any fee. Only a few weeks ago, the same ATM was still charging the infamous 150 baht fee.
Interesting post on AEON. I have used the one mentioned in Carrefour many times without a hitch. Now I may have to do a test of a small bit of money the next time.
As a side note just used an AEON in Siam Paragon in BKK today, twice, with no problems.
I felt after this incident that this report should be located here!
Aeon ATM machine in Pattaya!
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Warning on Aeon Bank ATM! LBM
LittleBigMan
12-20-09, 04:39
I have been told that LBM might be cursed or something! Things happen to me that I just don't hear about happening to others.
Personally, I think it is a isolated case with the ATM, but twice on me left me with I rather pay the damn 150 Baht, than have to go through all the trouble of calling my bank back home ( like I did last night at 12:01 Midnight ) so I could dispute the charges!
Meantime, while trying to look up Aeon Bank headquarters to complaint, I noticed some interesting articules about Aeon Bank, there were conversation that they are starting to charge the 150 baht, and that financially they are in big trouble, in the big Red, losing millions if not billions.
Just a warning,,, if you use Aeon, and the once you select the amount and the clocks keeps running and you are thinking why is it taking so long! Better on the safe side if you can thereafter check you bank records to make sure what happen to me didn't happen to you.
Continue best of luck on using ATM, and just hope it was the curse on LBM and Happy Holidays!
LBM
NicFrenchy
12-20-09, 05:11
ok, well apparently every joe Tourist can open a bank account in LOS so maybe it would be better to open a Thai Bank Account?
then before you come to LOS, you wire your spendable cash to the LOS account and that's your money for the trip.
No more whining about 150 thb charges.
ok, well apparently every joe Tourist can open a bank account in LOS so maybe it would be better to open a Thai Bank Account?
then before you come to LOS, you wire your spendable cash to the LOS account and that's your money for the trip.
No more whining about 150 thb charges.Do not forget 1997 when the THB was devalued 50% overnight! This constant rise of the THB against all "hard" currencies seems suspicious to me. The oligarchs who own the LOS are converting their cash into EUR as we speak!
ok, well apparently every joe Tourist can open a bank account in LOS so maybe it would be better to open a Thai Bank Account?
then before you come to LOS, you wire your spendable cash to the LOS account and that's your money for the trip.
No more whining about 150 thb charges.
That is what I did in Kasikorn and it works well for me. But remember: If you want to do online banking with the Thai account you need to register a Thai mobile number with them because they send you PIN numbers for transactions vis SMS every time.
Bella Oxmyx
01-12-10, 05:59
ok, well apparently every joe Tourist can open a bank account in LOS so maybe it would be better to open a Thai Bank Account?
then before you come to LOS, you wire your spendable cash to the LOS account and that's your money for the trip.
No more whining about 150 thb charges.Am I missing something here? A wire transfer at most banks in the States costs about $35-$45. It would take a lot of overseas ATM withdrawals at 150 baht each to approach the cost of one wire transfer to a Thai bank. Are the charges for wire transfers similar from Europe and other places?
Am I missing something here? A wire transfer at most banks in the States costs about $35-$45. It would take a lot of overseas ATM withdrawals at 150 baht each to approach the cost of one wire transfer to a Thai bank. Are the charges for wire transfers similar from Europe and other places?
150 baht = about $4.50 USD, so you would go over $35 with only 8 ATM transactions.
I order a wire transfer only once a year @ $35. I do ATM withdrawals every week without paying the 150 baht fee, thereby saving about 7800 baht, or more than $200 USD.
Bella Oxmyx
01-12-10, 07:49
150 baht = about $4. 50 USD, so you would go over $35 with only 8 ATM transactions.
I order a wire transfer only once a year at $35. I do ATM withdrawals every week without paying the 150 baht fee, thereby saving about 7800 baht, or more than $200 USD.Okay... Once a week ATM withdrawals, the break-even point is ˜ 8 week stay. I wrote my piece in the context that we're talking about shorter holiday visits.
By the way, I was having some problems with traditional ATMs in Thailand in November and December. They were overcharging my bank account by ˜ $150. 00 (compared to what I withdrew.) Nothing on the ATM or slip indicated this; it was when I checked my bank balance. It was due to a bank services company that handles networking and ATM transactions for my bank. Some kind of network or program error. It happened to others whose banks subscribe to this company's services (Fiserv). It all appears to be fixed now.
Since early December, I've been using an Aeon ATM and have not had any problems with it. Let's hope that continues.
M P Lurker
01-12-10, 07:50
Am I missing something here? A wire transfer at most banks in the States costs about $35-$45. It would take a lot of overseas ATM withdrawals at 150 baht each to approach the cost of one wire transfer to a Thai bank. Are the charges for wire transfers similar from Europe and other places?
Each ATM foreign transaction can rip you off on the exchange rate too.
In Australia costs about 750 Baht to internet transfer to Thai account and must do it in Australian dollars to avoid getting ripped off on the exchange rate by the Australian bank.
I usually transfer enough for 2 weeks at a time.
I have a Kasikorn account, two actually, and there is an alternative to the SMS pin number thing. Agreed you need a phone to register (I believe) but they have a PIN2 capability that you can input after you make your transaction for verification. Instead of the SMS Pin # thing.
That is what I did in Kasikorn and it works well for me. But remember: If you want to do online banking with the Thai account you need to register a Thai mobile number with them because they send you PIN numbers for transactions vis SMS every time.
M P Lurker
01-29-10, 09:05
There are other Italian restaurants that I find reliably good, but I stupidly let the Thai girl choose.
La Gritta in the city lodge is not the cheapest in the vicinity. I have lower bills at La Casa and Little Italy, both nearby.
As I had a bit of a cold, I decided not to order gin and tonic so perused the fruit drink menu. Most items on the menu had Grenadine. Yuk! Usually horribly sweet red cordial like stuff. But one called something like Sangria, showed ingredients of pineapple, orange and strawberry juices (no grenadine). So I ordered that and warned the staff that I didn't want it to be sweet.
But Thai people always know best and the customer is not correct. When the drink arrives iit is this sickly red colour and I am immediately shocked. This looks like grenadine for sure. They tell me they only put a little grenadine to make it look nice. Who the fuck cares. I want it to taste good. Unfortunately even small amount of grenadine is a lot. I taste it. Its far too sweet and has a strong watermelon taste too which was not one of the listed ingredients. As it happens I don't like watermelon.
So Thai people "muck ngai" which means any old thing will do. They have completely changed it from what the menus says. So Obviously couldn't drink it and stuck to plain water.
Later had lobster salad appetiser which was quite O.K.
Next ordered lamb. The taste was slightly strange with the meet seeming slightly sticky. Perhaps the taste was strange due to the preparation with truffles, but no where near as good as the lamb at Little Italy (Soi 23).
The next day had diarroeah (shit did I spell this right) so I believe that the lamb was not fresh and had probably started to go off. Hense the strange taste. If I was smarter I probably wouldn't have eaten it, but didn't want the girl to think I was going to complain about every single thing.
Some guys are scared to eat street food, but I have never found it to be more risky.
Stiffoak 571
01-31-10, 20:46
Do not forget 1997 when the THB was devalued 50% overnight! This constant rise of the THB against all "hard" currencies seems suspicious to me. The oligarchs who own the LOS are converting their cash into EUR as we speak!No economic reason why Baht should not rise at this time. Dollar/Pound have built in issues with Govt spending and debt payments while Euro struggling to keep all its members eg Greece.
Therefore so long as there is no domestic problem (coup/Thaksin etc) then economy in Thailand should at least be stable. See the announcement of GM investment this week. Wouldn't happen if currency was going to flop
Also if lots of people buy Euro then demand for Euro goes up making it more expensive not falling against Baht.
LittleBigMan
02-09-10, 22:15
i have been told that lbm might be cursed or something! things happen to me that i just don't hear about happening to others.
personally, i think it is a isolated case with the atm, but twice on me left me with i rather pay the damn 150 baht, than have to go through all the trouble of calling my bank back home ( like i did last night at 12:01 midnight ) so i could dispute the charges!
meantime, while trying to look up aeon bank headquarters to complaint, i noticed some interesting articules about aeon bank, there were conversation that they are starting to charge the 150 baht, and that financially they are in big trouble, in the big red, losing millions if not billions.
just a warning,,, if you use aeon, and the once you select the amount and the clocks keeps running and you are thinking why is it taking so long! better on the safe side if you can thereafter check you bank records to make sure what happen to me didn't happen to you.
continue best of luck on using atm, and just hope it was the curse on lbm and happy holidays!
lbm
just a final note from me on this subject regarding aeon bank.
on january of this year i noticed in my account that my bank had reversed the charges regarding the dispute that i had with aeon. the reverse transaction this time was my bank took back the $301.00 in question with aeon. since i'm in the states for holiday i went to my bank and requested a explanation. aeon had contacted them and told them that the transaction was a good one and that they had the video of the transaction. therefore they are rejected my dispute!
i once again explain to my bank that i received nothing and after a long conversation they agree to contact aeon again and request the video on my behalf. since the end of january they have made several attempts to obtain the proof they said they had but as to today they remain silent.
personally i know shit happens but based on their reply i consider this now to be a theft since they claim they had the video proof but now refuse to provide it through their silents. so i'm out of $301.00 or 10,000 baht and as a consumer there is nothing i can do since this is a foreign bank. this was a lesson for me trying to save 150 baht instead i lost 10,000 baht more than i would have ever spent on atm fees!
if anyone goes to carrefour and use aeon and smell [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) that's because i put tape over the camera pull out my dick and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on the key pad.
lbm
I did the mistake of not going through the forums before visitng Bangkok last year. Had been to Pat Pong with two other friends.
As soon as we got to the place we were surrounded by guys with menu cards, all entries starting with Pussy. I walked through most of them but one was very persistent. We ended up agreeing on visiting a joint at the first floor. He promised us beer at 150 bahts with free show.
There were couple of naked girls on the center stage and a few others walking around. I felt uneasy as we were the only customers at the entire joint. We ignored the dirty girls who came to us asking for lady drinks and rushed towards the exit.
We were given a bill of 3000 bahts by the mamasan. She said it was 1000 for the show and 500 for a beer. I knew arguing won't help as we were the only customers in the joint. I am six feet two and weigh 230 pounds still smart enough to know when to not use it :).
I tried to reason with the lady and ended up paying 1500 bahts.
Hope this helps some one planning a trip to pat pong for the first time, I read some where that the first floor joints should be avoided.
Chandraman3
03-20-10, 06:01
On a recent visit at Patpong bar, I also got same experience.
Was told free shows, etc
But when I got the bill, it came to 15000bhat! WTF?
They told me it was 1000 bhat for each show etc
I said I was only around for 5 mins, didn't see those shows and the guy outside told me for free. And if you charge me that, I will stand outside your door and tell everyone not to come in because you will charge people 10000 bhats.
I got out without paying the 15000 bhats, but couldn't not argue my way out of 300 bhat drink.
How dare they do that? It will only [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) tourists off and they'll make a big fuss about it like us and then they'll get less tourists. They are very stupid to do that.
How dare they do that? It will only [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) tourists off and they'll make a big fuss about it like us and then they'll get less tourists. They are very stupid to do that.Because they can, and a certain percentage of visitors will pay the rip-off fees to avoid the hassle.
You didn't mention the bar, but it could be any of a number, and the rip-off bars do tend to change names frequently.
If all else fails, take a copy of the bill to the tourist police. Just be careful that the name on the bill matches the name on the bar (sometimes difficult to find the name of the bar outside). No guarantees, but they are aware of how things like this negatively effect tourism.
But the best solution is prevention: The best advice I received from an experienced Bangkok hand, DECADE ago, but still valid today: Pull a bar girl from Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy and have her be your guide to the upstairs Patpong bars. They too are curious to visit other venues. She will keep you out of trouble (if nothing else, the money you lose will reduce the amount she can potentially extract from you :) ). It worked for me, she pulling me away from 1 tout, sensing something was wrong, me detecting nothing amiss.
More than a decade later, I still remember her comment after seeing the "coke" show: "I'll never drink coke again." :)
I knew arguing won't help as we were the only customers in the joint. I am six feet two and weigh 230 pounds still smart enough to know when to not use it :). SMART move - you could take 1, 2, but around the 5th, and when they bring out the clubs...
As stated, you could have tried the tourist police, leaving 2 friends in the bar with 1 going outside. The tourist police do have a "station" at the end of Patpong.
But having a bargirl guide has so many "advantages and benefits"... Even if you're not going to spend the night with her, a bar fine and a ST rate for a couple of hours of guided tour can save you a lot of money AND agrevation in the end.
Crocodilexp
03-20-10, 14:13
one more incident report with an aeon atm.
i used their machine at siam paragon for almost a year now (30+ withdrawals) with no incident. however, today the machine went through the sound of counting the money and then... nothing for a while.
luckily, due to lbms warning i was alert, and have noticed the money outlet was open and stuck my hand in just in time... the money was there, but stuck inside and not about to go out. after a brief struggle (almost tearing a few bills, and scratching my fingers a bit)... i won! me 20.000, aeon 0.
had atm been the winner and managed to close the slot, i imagine the next person to withdraw would have had a 20.000 baht windfall... and i would have had little recourse to correct this.
if this happens to you, i think the proper response is to stay at the machine, call aeon (or mall attendant etc.) -- don't wait until later to fix the issue.
no 150 baht fee yet with aeon, as far as i can tell. is there any other bank that does not charge the fee?
if anyone goes to carrefour and use aeon and smell [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) that's because i put tape over the camera pull out my dick and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on the key pad.
lbm
on the 2nd thought... the bills were a bit sticky, i think that's why they got stuck. lbm, did you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on this particular atm by any chance :) ?
...Is there any other bank that does not charge the fee?
Yes. Bank of Ayudhya (they don't charge a fee anymore since December 2009, at least, for Visa card holders).
ThaiLearner
03-20-10, 19:27
Yes. Bank of Ayudhya (they don't charge a fee anymore since December 2009, at least, for Visa card holders).
It depends on what sort of account you have as some visa cards they do charge for.
It depends on what sort of account you have as some visa cards they do charge for.
Since December 2009? I've never heard about someone being charged the infamous 150 baht fee with a Visa card using a Bank of Ayudhya ATM since December 2009. I've read a few recent reports saying that Mastercard card holders are still charged a fee by this bank when using one of its ATMs, but as far as I know, it's not the case (I mean, by the Thai bank: your own bank usually charges its own fee when using an ATM overseas) since December 2009 for Visa card holders.
someone being charged the infamous 150 baht fee with a Visa card using a Bank of Ayudhya ATM since December 2009.Used the Bank of Ayudhya's ATM machine at the Asoke metro station last night. My Bank America ATM (debit card, not credit) was charged the 150 baht fee.
Certainly European bank Debit cards have not been charged for months. I use mine once a week or more and never been charged 150 baht for many months.
Perhaps its just USA banks that are now required to pay 150 baht by BofA ATM machines?
Used the Bank of Ayudhya's ATM machine at the Asoke metro station last night. My Bank America ATM (debit card, not credit) was charged the 150 baht fee.
Used the Bank of Ayudhya's ATM machine at the Asoke metro station last night. My Bank America ATM (debit card, not credit) was charged the 150 baht fee.
I spoke about Visa cards in my previous posts, and as far as I know, holders of Visa cards are not charged the 150 baht fee since December 2009 by Bank of Ayudhya's ATMs. It seems that holders of other types of card (such as Mastercard cards, for instance, but probably a few others too) are still charged a fee, but, again and as far as I know, it's not the case anymore if you use a Visa card with a Bank of Ayudhya's ATM.
I spoke about Visa cards in my previous posts,Clear. I was HOPING an atm card would have the same luck, but no. I don't use my Visa card as the rapacious American banks not only charge a service fee, but also a foreign transaction fee, to "hedge" against currency fluctuations, so they say, even if they already give you a LOW conversion rate.
ThaiLearner
03-22-10, 18:03
Since December 2009? I've never heard about someone being charged the infamous 150 baht fee with a Visa card using a Bank of Ayudhya ATM since December 2009. I've read a few recent reports saying that Mastercard card holders are still charged a fee by this bank when using one of its ATMs, but as far as I know, it's not the case (I mean, by the Thai bank: your own bank usually charges its own fee when using an ATM overseas) since December 2009 for Visa card holders.
I was never charged by the Bank of Ayudhya when using my Nationwide Flex account using a Visa Debit card in December 2009/January 2010.
However someone else with the same bank but different account was charged 150bht .
Deal Seeker
03-23-10, 04:00
My bank's ATM card (PLUS, Cirrus, Star) is charged a 150 THB fee in Chiangmai. It is not a VISA or MC type card, just an ATM card.
LittleBigMan
03-23-10, 07:39
It all depends on the Institution and the card you hold and really how much you have with the bank... Yes there are those accounts, lets just term it VIP account with large sums of money or many like the cards out of U.K. but right now being just a John Dole, all the Visa and M/C etc.. Credit/Debit I'm being charged the 150 even at the B.O.A. personall I'm still being charged although many aren't.
Now as I have writtten before... my on going experience with Aeon Bank who rip me out for 10,000 baht. now is saying they have no record of my transaction although I faxed them the copies of the Transmission between my bank in the U.S. and them. I would not touch them with a ten foot pole since they are bascially a dishonest Institution from their remarks and action not to omit to the transaction. I rather pay the 150 baht than go near them but that is just my opinion and experience.
LBM
According to a report recently written by Rocksoff, the Rao Cocktail Lounge in Bangkok is a place to avoid: 1050146
So much bs here: SOME yellow ATMs do, some others dont charge the 150THB regardless of cardtype. I know so because I was surprised when I did NOT get charged once, however at another ATM using the same card I did get charged.
Yes. Bank of Ayudhya (they don't charge a fee anymore since December 2009, at least, for Visa card holders).
So much bs here: SOME yellow ATMs do, some others dont charge the 150THB regardless of cardtype. I know so because I was surprised when I did NOT get charged once, however at another ATM using the same card I did get charged.
Speaking about bullshit (your own word!), you should not be so disrespectful towards other ISG members about this matter as the policy of the Bank of Ayudhya has changed several times in the past months. I am now charged the infamous 150 baht fee by the same ATMs that did not charged me a fee previously, even though I am still using the same VISA card.
It has already been discussed recently in another thread by a fellow ISG member: now, it seems that only the AEON ATMs don't charge this 150 baht fee.
LittleBigMan
08-04-10, 09:38
When it comes to ATM, I have gone through this topic until some like Fok Ton say it's my passion or something like that... Now I don't about any policy since Dec 2009, because if I ask someone in BOA, they would most likely act stupid and don't understand what I'm talking about so I just think what the use in getting myself upset? But I sure would like if someone can actually get a copy with the HQ letterhead on it or as they say smoking gun? and have that letter or policy translated.
It has been a few months since I used BOA, but after reading the few post along with the many things I had to do today. In Pattaya today,,, I was at Big C, Tesco North, Carrefour... with my ATM Visa Cards I tried them all nearly 8 machines total all said the same thing!
" 150 baht charge " I cancelled!
No luck again for LBM, anyone disputes my card or opinion please contact me if you are in town and I will go along with you and if it doesn't charge me I will personally give you the 150 baht. But if it does! cough up 150 baht!
When it comes to ATM, I have gone through this topic until some like Fok Ton say it's my passion or something like that...I think I wrote "obsession." but that's OK, as someone has to do the leg work! ;)
Crazy4Thai
08-04-10, 15:50
It has already been discussed recently in another thread by a fellow ISG member: now, it seems that only the AEON ATMs don't charge this 150 baht fee.
Someone else recommended CitiBank - a month ago in Bangkok their atm did not charge a fee either.
Phoenix949
08-04-10, 16:02
It all depends on the Institution and the card you hold and really how much you have with the bank... Yes there are those accounts, lets just term it VIP account with large sums of money or many like the cards out of U.K. but right now being just a John Dole, all the Visa and M/C etc.. Credit/Debit I'm being charged the 150 even at the B.O.A. personall I'm still being charged although many aren't.
Now as I have writtten before... my on going experience with Aeon Bank who rip me out for 10,000 baht. now is saying they have no record of my transaction although I faxed them the copies of the Transmission between my bank in the U.S. and them. I would not touch them with a ten foot pole since they are bascially a dishonest Institution from their remarks and action not to omit to the transaction. I rather pay the 150 baht than go near them but that is just my opinion and experience.
LBMHi,
Whats up with this stupid thing, you know where you go when you visit thailoand, they milk the farangs in all ways possible, so its the same thing with the bank fee.
More easy you bring your cash with you and chjange the cash with a moneychanger, who gives you a much highér rate as the banks, only cash is the real thing, unless you do all your life spending on credits, then you need to use your card and you have to accept the rules of the moneyprovider!
I opened a bankaccount in Thailand before and now use my cashcard from that bank at any ATM and not get charges'd any fee, even when I am using a different bank's ATM, when you intend to monger mor eoften in Thailand go this way and thats more easy, even you can transfer your money direct from your home country and never need to carry any cash.
LittleBigMan
08-04-10, 16:15
I think I wrote "obsession." but that's OK, as someone has to do the leg work! ;)
Who Dat?
LBM
Who Dat? LBM You? no... Me? no...
Maybe The Pro will check around...
Citi is on Suk at Asoke intersection (since the end of May)
• Monday – Friday from 8.30 AM to 8.00 PM
• Saturday – Sunday from 10.00 AM to 7.00 PM
(That's what their site says)
LittleBigMan
08-05-10, 06:52
Hi,
Whats up with this stupid thing, you know where you go when you visit thailoand, they milk the farangs in all ways possible, so its the same thing with the bank fee.
More easy you bring your cash with you and chjange the cash with a moneychanger, who gives you a much highér rate as the banks, only cash is the real thing, unless you do all your life spending on credits, then you need to use your card and you have to accept the rules of the moneyprovider!
I opened a bankaccount in Thailand before and now use my cashcard from that bank at any ATM and not get charges'd any fee, even when I am using a different bank's ATM, when you intend to monger mor eoften in Thailand go this way and thats more easy, even you can transfer your money direct from your home country and never need to carry any cash.
Phoenix949,
You're are correct in many ways but you are just a tourist! Cash is always great and living here I do have a Thai Bank account but only keep what I need to fullfill my Visa requirement in Thailand. Otherwise I keep the majority of my money in the States because it is safer and generates me more interest than the B.S. the Thai bank gives you. Along with that there is really no FDIC in Thailand and from my research if the Bank goes bellyup you are guarantee up to 100,000 baht.
My personal opinion and I'm sure many have a different views but I keep my eyes and ears open now when it comes to businesses. I have developed a total distrust for them here. They talk about consumer rights but in practice it is useless and I hope to god you never have to deal with their civil legal system which is even more useless to a Farang. They call this the L.O.S. and we consider with a smile on our faces when we are getting suck off but L.O.S. for someone like me is Land of Suckers to Thais.
There are constant stories how Thai banks remove money from your account if there isn't any activity. There are stories that money are removed from accounts even when the account holder isn't even in the Thailand. They have rules for Thais and then there are rules for Farangs so your opinion about the rules of the moneyprovider is valid but in Thailand It makes me nervous as hell! I wish it didn't have to be this way?
I recently needed to get a haircut, my regular guy closed his shop so I went looking for another. For years I have paid 60 baht no matter where I went but now I decided to give this other guy a try. I asked, he said 60 baht as soon as he noticed I wasn't Thai now he mentioned that since I'm a Farang it will be 60 for the cut and another 60 for the shave! I mentioned to him in broken Thai, that if he was in America and decided to open a Barber shop and I came in and after the service told him I pay below market to you because you're not a true American? how would you feel? I also told him when I bleed my blood is the same color as yours! He looked stunned and speakless and lost face! I got up and left. As to ATM, how would the President of the Bank Association of Thailand feel if he was taking a holiday in American and put his ATM card in the machine and it responded " Foreign card you are Thai, pay back is a b-t-h so if you proceed there is a foreign charge of $10.00 USD ".
To me this is all about greed on behalf of Thais and I don't owe any money or live on credit but I do have two major credit cards for backup along with my Thai bank card because when the shit hits the fan you will need a backup yo can only carry so much cash! anyone that banks on just one things is really the stupid one!
LBM
Phoenix949
08-05-10, 16:40
Phoenix949,
You're are correct in many ways but you are just a tourist! Cash is always great and living here I do have a Thai Bank account but only keep what I need to fullfill my Visa requirement in Thailand. Otherwise I keep the majority of my money in the States because it is safer and generates me more interest than the B.S. the Thai bank gives you. Along with that there is really no FDIC in Thailand and from my research if the Bank goes bellyup you are guarantee up to 100,000 baht.
My personal opinion and I'm sure many have a different views but I keep my eyes and ears open now when it comes to businesses. I have developed a total distrust for them here. They talk about consumer rights but in practice it is useless and I hope to god you never have to deal with their civil legal system which is even more useless to a Farang. They call this the L.O.S. and we consider with a smile on our faces when we are getting suck off but L.O.S. for someone like me is Land of Suckers to Thais.
There are constant stories how Thai banks remove money from your account if there isn't any activity. There are stories that money are removed from accounts even when the account holder isn't even in the Thailand. They have rules for Thais and then there are rules for Farangs so your opinion about the rules of the moneyprovider is valid but in Thailand It makes me nervous as hell! I wish it didn't have to be this way?
I recently needed to get a haircut, my regular guy closed his shop so I went looking for another. For years I have paid 60 baht no matter where I went but now I decided to give this other guy a try. I asked, he said 60 baht as soon as he noticed I wasn't Thai now he mentioned that since I'm a Farang it will be 60 for the cut and another 60 for the shave! I mentioned to him in broken Thai, that if he was in America and decided to open a Barber shop and I came in and after the service told him I pay below market to you because you're not a true American? how would you feel? I also told him when I bleed my blood is the same color as yours! He looked stunned and speakless and lost face! I got up and left. As to ATM, how would the President of the Bank Association of Thailand feel if he was taking a holiday in American and put his ATM card in the machine and it responded " Foreign card you are Thai, pay back is a b-t-h so if you proceed there is a foreign charge of $10.00 USD ".
To me this is all about greed on behalf of Thais and I don't owe any money or live on credit but I do have two major credit cards for backup along with my Thai bank card because when the shit hits the fan you will need a backup yo can only carry so much cash! anyone that banks on just one things is really the stupid one!
LBMWell I agree with you completely.
I have worked in BKK for 3 years, so I know about this things, and I also think its not éasy when farangs come here, and are confronted with the thai rules, which are sometimes so redicules and stupid, but thats what they think they need to do to let the farang feel how much value the add to the farang personality, its like nothing, they only interested mainly in the money the have to leave in Thailand,
Ok anyway don't let us forget its sooooooo lovely to be in that pussy country here
HotShaneHot
08-22-10, 11:50
The Deja Vu Bar in Soi Cowboy.
Stay away from this place.
Fast Eddie 48
08-23-10, 05:50
The Deja Vu Bar in Soi Cowboy.
Stay away from this place.To hotshanehot
Why please explain?
Fast Eddie 48
HotShaneHot
08-24-10, 05:08
To hotshanehot
Why please explain?
Fast Eddie 48It was over a lady drink that I did get for one of the lady's on stage 20min later I keep asking when will she come sit with me they keep on tell me one more song if you complain you will be hit and not just by one of them they all get in.
It was over a lady drink that I did get for one of the lady's on stage 20min later I keep asking when will she come sit with me they keep on tell me one more song if you complain you will be hit and not just by one of them they all get in.
who will hit you?
HotShaneHot
08-24-10, 20:15
who will hit you?Mamasan then ther all get in to it.
Anyone ever been to somboon? Friend was at one, the bargirl took him to it, don't know if it was a fake one or not but he said as they were eatting, this arabic family got their bill, it was 16, 000bht, he said the menu had no pricing, the lady said she was not going to pay the bill, of course my friend got worried about his bill, he said he had some scallops and some seabass fish dish, his bill was 4,000bht.
I know on the somboon website they say watch out for fake restaurants but of course I didn't know about that until after my friend went, so anyone else know if this is a scam or is this a really high end place? I'm not sure if the girl was in on this or not LOL but I wouldn't put it past anyone, they got some really elaborate scams out here.
It was over a lady drink that I did get for one of the lady's on stage 20min later I keep asking when will she come sit with me they keep on tell me one more song if you complain you will be hit and not just by one of them they all get in.I had some problems myself at DV last year. OUtside they advertised the draft beer at 60/70 bht but when I got inside and ordered it they brought me a bottle of Chang. When I pointed out that I asked for a draft, the one at 70 bht the reply was like "mai meeeee". Called the mamasan to try and clear the misunderstanding and even pointed at the girl outside with he big red sign saying draft beer 60 bht but nothing. MAI MEEEEE!
Paid my 120/130 bht (cannot remember), left and never set my food on again.
LittleBigMan
09-24-10, 08:16
ATM Again?
I have written much on ATM'S, especially about Aeon Bank. In summary I had a bad transaction December 2009. For 9 months I have tried to contact Aeon main office in Bangkok and was unsuccessful and finally made one last attempt in August. Surprise I got a email respond from a manager of this division. For over a month we went back and forth as to the history of this transaction and finally all my documents were Fax to the manager last week and after a quick review of bank documents from my bank it was determine by the Aeon manager that the reason they didn't have the requested dispute was because my bank made the request to the wrong bank in Thailand!
I forward the response to my bank in the U.S. and today I got a response they are sincerely sorry and have placed the funds back into my checking account! I forwarded the email to the Aeon manager and follow up with a phone call to the Aeon manager to eat some big time crow! We also discuss the problems with the ATM'S not dispensing money not only in Pattaya but throughout Thailand. He said they were well aware of the problem and are trying to address the situation and as far as machines in Pattaya they have plans to replace all the machines in Pattaya especially the one in Carrefour.
With the added funds I plan to eat some Thai crow pussy tonight to celebrate!
Nine months finally over! But not wanting to have to go through this again I'm staying away from their machines even if I save 150 baht until I know it will never happen again?
LBM
It was over a lady drink that I did get for one of the lady's on stage 20min later I keep asking when will she come sit with me they keep on tell me one more song if you complain you will be hit and not just by one of them they all get in.Deja Vu is one of the bars owned by the group that has 5 or 6 bars, including Midnite Bar. I have never seen anyone get hit anywhere on Cowboy or even get threatened. What exactly did you do to upset them?
One thing you do need to understand is the Asian "Face" thing. If you insult someone, particularly in front of others, they are likely to get very upset. This happened to me in a taxi one night. I asked the driver for my hotel and he headed off in the wrong direction, I tried to point out that it was the wrong way politely, but eventually shouted at him to stop. He was not happy with being told he was wrong. I paid him the agreed full fare, and got out, next thing I know he is getting a big stick out of the car and coming after me. It was only when I picked up a concrete paving slab he gave up.
That was the only time I ever had an issue.
J.
Red Square
10-23-10, 18:40
Will be in Thailand tomorrow and was wondering which ATMs you'd currently recommend for either 1) A UK card or 2) A Canadian ATM card, as I have both.
Which ATMs would you avoid like the plague? I read the post earlier about AEON not dispensing 10,000 baht or something and it took six months to get the money back.
Richmond72
10-23-10, 22:46
I went to a branch of the real Somboon this week. The prices are very clearly marked on the menu.
Good food. Prices are higher because they get a lot of tourist traffic, but nothing outrageous.
Anyone ever been to somboon? Friend was at one, the bargirl took him to it, don't know if it was a fake one or not but he said as they were eatting, this arabic family got their bill, it was 16, 000bht, he said the menu had no pricing, the lady said she was not going to pay the bill, of course my friend got worried about his bill, he said he had some scallops and some seabass fish dish, his bill was 4,000bht.
I know on the somboon website they say watch out for fake restaurants but of course I didn't know about that until after my friend went, so anyone else know if this is a scam or is this a really high end place? I'm not sure if the girl was in on this or not LOL but I wouldn't put it past anyone, they got some really elaborate scams out here.
Crazy4Thai
10-24-10, 07:58
Will be in Thailand tomorrow and was wondering which ATMs you'd currently recommend for either 1) A UK card or 2) A Canadian ATM card, as I have both.
Which ATMs would you avoid like the plague? I read the post earlier about AEON not dispensing 10,000 baht or something and it took six months to get the money back.
Use any atm if you don't mind paying 150 svc charge to the Thai bank.
Use citibank - not easy to find, or AEON also not so plentiful and not as problematic as you might think. Assuming you are a 'tourist" who is going home in a relatively short time, just use any atm and have a good time.
LittleBigMan
10-24-10, 11:48
Will be in Thailand tomorrow and was wondering which ATMs you'd currently recommend for either 1) A UK card or 2) A Canadian ATM card, as I have both.
Which ATMs would you avoid like the plague? I read the post earlier about AEON not dispensing 10,000 baht or something and it took six months to get the money back.
If you read my post although I had problems with Aeon twice and their manager of all ATM's in Thailand told me they are well aware of the problem with their ATM'S they are in the process of replacing them. The first one went in at Carrefour in Pattaya around a month ago. My situation did take over 6 month but in the end it was my own bank that process the dispute to the wrong bank which caused all the problems after Aeon didn't dispense my money!
In Pattaya, as far as I know there is only one CitiBank branch and it is located on Sukhumvit before Nernplawan near Pattaya Klang but they don't have a ATM machine! You mentioned several card on hand and many from the UK when used in Thailand don't get charged the fee. As with Aeon personally I stay away. In the end if you are just on a holiday really don't concern yourself with the 150 baht in 10 years of using ATM, I never had a problem with any of them except Aeon. Use the ones in front of the bank or 7/11 or in the mall and not those fly by nights as I call them!
Just enjoy! your on a holiday and it's officially high season now!
LBM
It was over a lady drink that I did get for one of the lady's on stage 20min later I keep asking when will she come sit with me they keep on tell me one more song if you complain you will be hit and not just by one of them they all get in.Maybe she thought you bought the drink to show appreciation for her dancing?
Similar has happened to me but I did not make any issue. I just figured that I should.
Have the girl sit down with me first before I buy the drink.
And then only if she sits on my lap
Dejavu and the other bars belonging to the Arab dude (midnite etc.) have nasty bouncer who love to beat up customers. Better shut up, pay and leave. It's not worth getting hurt.
who will hit you?
Hello,
I can contribute a solution to that problem. Get your money from an HSBC-ATM. They don't charge this criminal fee. Of course HSBC doesn't have that many ATMs in Thailand. The one I go is on Soi Thonglor between Soi 2 and 4.
Just check out, whether there is a branch near you and your problem is solved.
Cheers, Frimu.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1084157]If you read my post although I had problems with Aeon twice and their manager of all ATM's in Thailand told me they are well aware of the problem with their ATM'S they are in the process of replacing them. The first one went in at Carrefour in Pattaya around a month ago. My situation did take over 6.
LittleBigMan
03-15-11, 06:42
Hello,
I can contribute a solution to that problem. Get your money from an HSBC-ATM. They don't charge this criminal fee. Of course HSBC doesn't have that many ATMs in Thailand. The one I go is on Soi Thonglor between Soi 2 and 4.
Just check out, whether there is a branch near you and your problem is solved.
Cheers, Frimu.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1084157]If you read my post although I had problems with Aeon twice and their manager of all ATM's in Thailand told me they are well aware of the problem with their ATM'S they are in the process of replacing them. The first one went in at Carrefour in Pattaya around a month ago. My situation did take over 6.HSBC, is a good if not great bank but a problem can't be solved if there is only one location as you indicated. If ones world revolved around Soi 2/4 then yes it would be solved. The topic of Aeon came up because they don't charge the 150 baht and certainly there are more Aeon ATM than HSBC. But In Pattaya, there are problems with the software for their ATMS and their HQ has indicated to me that they are aware of the problem and will replace the machines in Pattaya first and have done so at Carrefour already.
LBM
I wrote about my (very brief) experience in Deja Vu.
When Soi Cowboy was crowded they were almost empty.
Reason being (IMHO) all the cuties were unavailable (coyote) but availble for 200bt lady drinks.
You could also buy the mamasan a drink at 200bt!
I think this is a worse bait and switch than the cherry girls.
Can't wait for the next development adopted by this group.
I had some problems myself at DV last year. OUtside they advertised the draft beer at 60/70 bht but when I got inside and ordered it they brought me a bottle of Chang. When I pointed out that I asked for a draft, the one at 70 bht the reply was like "mai meeeee". Called the mamasan to try and clear the misunderstanding and even pointed at the girl outside with he big red sign saying draft beer 60 bht but nothing. MAI MEEEEE!LMAO. I can just hear the "thai whine" Mai Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! LOL LOL.
Yes they have draft there. I talked to the mamasan in Thai, just to ascertain this was 'really' the situation.
Of course with me ordering a lousy draft unlikely if there was coyote action they'd be telling me about it. LOL.
I wrote about my (very brief) experience in Deja Vu.
When Soi Cowboy was crowded they were almost empty.
Reason being (IMHO) all the cuties were unavailable (coyote) but availble for 200bt lady drinks.
You could also buy the mamasan a drink at 200bt!
I think this is a worse bait and switch than the cherry girls.
Can't wait for the next development adopted by this group. All these coyote type bars on soi cowboy are a complete tourist trap rip off! The majority of the guys who fall for this kinda thing are the Asian tourists. These type of establishments are a disapointment to the once wonderful soi. I've never met anybody who has successfully hooked up with a coyote. Has anyone here done so?
NicFrenchy
03-15-11, 09:23
All these coyote type bars on soi cowboy are a complete tourist trap rip off! The majority of the guys who fall for this kinda thing are the Asian tourists.Yep, they're there for our Friends the Small Cocks
I used to be annoyed about the fees on ATM's in Thailand.
However I just came back from a 3 month trip to South America and was charged similar fees at every ATM in every country I visited.
The fee is not unique to Thailand. As I had first thought. Its still annoying but a bit less annoying when you know everyone else does it too.
Crocodilexp
03-16-11, 07:09
I used to be annoyed about the fees on ATM's in Thailand... The fee is not unique to Thailand. As I had first thought. Its still annoying but a bit less annoying when you know everyone else does it too.The 150 baht Farang ATM fee is NEW to Thailand, and not justified by anything but greed. About 2-3 years back it simply did not exist. You can buy a decent restaurant meal for 150 baht here, and on PPP basis the 150 baht fee would be equivalent to a $20 ATM fee in the USA It's a slap in the face given that the highest local ATM fee is 20 baht.
Of course, on the world scale and in nominal terms the $5 fee is not enormous (just look at the silly fees most Western banks charge).
To avoid the fees, expats still have the choice of Aeon or Citibank.
Siam Dreamer
03-17-11, 02:10
TTo avoid the fees, expats still have the choice of Aeon or Citibank.Agreed. I can definitely vouch for Citibank. Citibank ATM Card works at Citibank Thailand ATM just like in the states. There is a new Citibank financial services center and bank right across from the Asoke BTS.
LittleBigMan
03-22-11, 06:34
Brace yourself, Reported today that Banks in the States like Chase is considering ATM fees $5. 00.
LBM
Hi-Class: I was there only once and was ripped off with bad service, and with a girl that I took because she was recommended by the papasan! I wasn't asking for anything out of the ordinary, but the girl gave up on me when I wasn't coming after 15 minutes or so. And I honestly wasn't doing anything bad or demanding to her, at all. Just plain vanilla sex.
No money back or change of girls of course. You pay in advance and management will not care if you have a bad time. This was maybe the only time I actually got pissed off by a bad experience. Not so much at the girl but at the papasan, who got a 100 tip for his "recommendation" and later told me to go fuck myself.
On principle, I'm never going back there.
Crocodilexp
05-24-11, 03:02
Brace yourself, Reported today that Banks in the States like Chase is considering ATM fees $5. 00.
LBMChase charges $3. 00 (to go up to $5. 00) plus 3. 5% convenience fee, plus 150 baht fee on the Thai side.
Worst part is the 3. 5% fee. That's good 500 baht on a typical $400 withdrawal (in other words, a Pattaya short time).
It's getting more important to find a decent bank: http://www.bankfox.com/c/no-atm-fees/
FreebieFan
05-24-11, 05:13
I did the mistake of not going through the forums before visitng Bangkok last year. Had been to Pat Pong with two other friends.
As soon as we got to the place we were surrounded by guys with menu cards, all entries starting with Pussy. I walked through most of them but one was very persistent. We ended up agreeing on visiting a joint at the first floor. He promised us beer at 150 bahts with free show.
There were couple of naked girls on the center stage and a few others walking around. I felt uneasy as we were the only customers at the entire joint. We ignored the dirty girls who came to us asking for lady drinks and rushed towards the exit.
We were given a bill of 3000 bahts by the mamasan. She said it was 1000 for the show and 500 for a beer. I knew arguing won't help as we were the only customers in the joint. I am six feet two and weigh 230 pounds still smart enough to know when to not use it.
I tried to reason with the lady and ended up paying 1500 bahts.
Hope this helps some one planning a trip to pat pong for the first time, I read some where that the first floor joints should be avoided.Reminds me of a lunchtime visit to Patpong many years ago. Lived in saudi arabiashithole then so wanted to maximise the pussy chase with a mate. Get in one bar with the promised free beer etc, girl doing the snake, bubble blowing etc. Were the only guys there. Sure enough when it came to bill time, the bill was massively padded. Interesting that 20 years later their business model still works. We escaped the 5 very large threatening guys through being calm and reasonable and left go to a MP. Yeah we were ripped off and no I've never seen a patpong show since.
IMHO these places are all bark and no bite. They are in the business of intimidating and scamming impressionable people, not in the business of beating people up.
Think about it, that's what they do day in, day out. That means a few foreigners each night will come in. Maybe 5. Maybe 10. Maybe 20. That's tens or hundreds of foreigners a month. How many foreigners do you think they can actually beat up before getting in big trouble with the authorities? Do you think the police or the tourism bureau wants foreigners beaten up on a daily basis? How many times can an ambulance and the cops be called to a venue before it gets shut down?
I've been in a similar situation twice (once in China, once in Thailand) and I just walked out. Nobody tried anything physical. They are more frightened than you are. They put on a tough act but they aren't stupid.
The 150 baht Farang ATM fee is NEW to Thailand, and not justified by anything but greed. About 2-3 years back it simply did not exist. You can buy a decent restaurant meal for 150 baht here, and on PPP basis the 150 baht fee would be equivalent to a $20 ATM fee in the USA It's a slap in the face given that the highest local ATM fee is 20 baht.
Of course, on the world scale and in nominal terms the $5 fee is not enormous (just look at the silly fees most Western banks charge).
To avoid the fees, expats still have the choice of Aeon or Citibank. Banks are colluding. Its crap. 150 bt is a full days minimum wage. Even for a bank teller. One way to get even is to pay a bunch of local lads to open up an account, and come in the next day to close it, all timed for the lunchtime rush. And repeat. Then go in and ask for a 'local' account. They can refuse, so you drop a few more.
Hints till they find a solution for you. I understand opening and closing an account is the most 'expensive' bank transaction that they can't charge for.
One way to get even is to pay a bunch of local lads to open up an account, and come in the next day to close it, all timed for the lunchtime rush. And repeat. Then go in and ask for a 'local' account. They can refuse, so you drop a few more.Or just go to one of the several banks that have been reported to open local accounts for farangs. You'll walk out with an account 20 minutes later.
This money changer runs a scam in fiddling around with the exchange rates. The rates on the electronic display are somewhat better than those offered by banks. Once you hand over your foreign currency you would like to change into Baht they present you a little slip with the total amount of Baht you will get but they do not show the actual exchange rate at which it is calculated. If you want to double check with the electronic displays exchange rate it has magically disappeared for the currency you would like to change and will only show 0. 00! They tried to cheat me with a 15% worse rate than originally shown on the electronic display. I just grabbed my home currency notes out of the hands of the money changer and told him he is a bloody cheater and left these thiefs premises. So stay away from any Vasu exchange outlets!
I did the mistake of not going through the forums before visitng Bangkok last year. Had been to Pat Pong with two other friends.
As soon as we got to the place we were surrounded by guys with menu cards, all entries starting with Pussy. I walked through most of them but one was very persistent. We ended up agreeing on visiting a joint at the first floor. He promised us beer at 150 bahts with free show.
There were couple of naked girls on the center stage and a few others walking around. I felt uneasy as we were the only customers at the entire joint. We ignored the dirty girls who came to us asking for lady drinks and rushed towards the exit.
We were given a bill of 3000 bahts by the mamasan. She said it was 1000 for the show and 500 for a beer. I knew arguing won't help as we were the only customers in the joint. I am six feet two and weigh 230 pounds still smart enough to know when to not use it.
I tried to reason with the lady and ended up paying 1500 bahts.
Hope this helps some one planning a trip to pat pong for the first time, I read some where that the first floor joints should be avoided.I had some very similar experience in Patpong already in the early 90ties. However, being aware of the possible scam, I asked for the bill as soon as they brought the beer. It was something like 300 Baht for the beer and 1000 for the "show". I decided to leave immediately, just dropped the 300 for the beer, ignored the 1000 for the show and moved to the exit as quickly as I could. The "big guys" were so surprised and did not expect me doing so that they were too slow to stop me. Takes a bit of courage, but at least in my case it worked. Needless to say that I don't visit that place anymore. My rule now is that I never ever visit any bar in the upper floor anymore. Too many of them are scammers. This is much more difficult for the ground floor bars. The only exception was Pussy Galore. I am not sure whether it still exists. But at that time it was part of the King's Group, which was all right and did not cheat.
Wonderer
Lover Boy #2
09-09-11, 06:49
Anyone ever been to somboon? Friend was at one, the bargirl took him to it, don't know if it was a fake one or not but he said as they were eatting, this arabic family got their bill, it was 16, 000bht, he said the menu had no pricing, the lady said she was not going to pay the bill, of course my friend got worried about his bill, he said he had some scallops and some seabass fish dish, his bill was 4, 000bht.
I know on the somboon website they say watch out for fake restaurants but of course I didn't know about that until after my friend went, so anyone else know if this is a scam or is this a really high end place? I'm not sure if the girl was in on this or not LOL but I wouldn't put it past anyone, they got some really elaborate scams out here.Never had a problem at any legitimate one in all of BKK. I go to all of them regularly and the prices are very fair for the quality. I have seen other same named places that are not on their website. So stay clear. Or you will be fu see k ed. And not vertically. Seriously, this is a very nice restaurant chain.
I go to all of them regularly and the prices are very fair for the quality. * * * Seriously, this is a very nice restaurant chain.After working up an appetite at Nataree with a slim little spinner, I dined at the Sanboom Seafood location that's just steps away, very close to the M9 station on the MRT. I speak no Thai and there was no doubt I was on holiday. But the staff greeted me warmly, ushered me to a nice table, and served up a terrific repast. Can't recall what the bill was, but there was no question that the tariff was eminently reasonable. I would definitely return.
Bunky.
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Chase charges $3. 00 (to go up to $5. 00) plus 3. 5% convenience fee, plus 150 baht fee on the Thai side.
Worst part is the 3. 5% fee. That's good 500 baht on a typical $400 withdrawal (in other words, a Pattaya short time).
It's getting more important to find a decent bank:
http://www.bankfox.com/c/no-atm-fees/For Americans, try Charles Schwab or your local credit union. Still can't avoid the 150b fee, but foreign exchange fees are minimal as are fees for using someone else's ATMs.
Evil Penivel
11-20-11, 21:32
I wrote about my (very brief) experience in Deja Vu.
When Soi Cowboy was crowded they were almost empty.
Reason being (IMHO) all the cuties were unavailable (coyote) but availble for 200bt lady drinks.
You could also buy the mamasan a drink at 200bt!
I think this is a worse bait and switch than the cherry girls.
Can't wait for the next development adopted by this group.I wrote about a bad experience at Kiss Bar on Soi Cowboy in this post:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forumshowthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1204255&viewfull=1#post1204255.
All of the Arab's bars (there are seven of them- Rio, Kiss, Deja Vu, Midnite, Sahara, Rawhide and one more, the name of which escapes me) should be avoided. There have been many warnings and accounts of bad experiences on a number of boards and blogs. These bars operate to a high degree on intimidation and nothing good can happen in them.
Yes, I know the guy who owns them is Iranian, but his nickname is "the Arab."
Evil
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