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Thanks. To put things in perspective, any idea of the respective costs (BYR) of let's say a Corona or a mojito at Madison or Next, a taxi ride within center, and a diner for two in a mid-priced restaurant?About 1. 5 weeks ago we found to sell dollars at 4500 (official was 4K). The problem is you need to know who to sell to and can get in trouble if you don't.
Price wise your best bet get a table at a club. A bottle of vodka is 80000 (so 15-20 dollars at current rates). Taxi ride 8000-10000, ride to airport is 80000 as well (40 minute ride). You get the idea.
Things are real cheap over there right now. Will not comment on girls since we all speak fluent Russian and so it may or may not be an advantage. Club Next is where many hookers are and they are generally attracted to turkish type guys. Don't go to club Africa, they charge extra for every girl who sits at your table. They are out of their mind. In my opinion your best bet is to hang out by McDonalds in the center area, and hit clubs at night.
I believe Prosal meant the price of beer Corona or Heineken and cocktail as mojito in bars and discos and what about the entrance fee to get into the highest level of clubs?50K max, I haven't seen more. You might be able to get a flyer and get in for free. Not sure about mojito, we always did bottles.
Club Next is where many hookers are and they are generally attracted to turkish type guys. .Are you kiddink me? They're attracted to the cash in the wallets of the turkish type, if anything)
MinskGuide
05-24-11, 16:02
Update of the situation with hard currency. Now official rate is 4930 BYR for 1 USD. Still no dollars and other currency in the banks for buy / sell. Black market trades USD for 5300/6200.
Moreover, there are rumors that the state will introduce monopoly for import of consumer goods. Have no idea how it will influence the exchange rate but, probably, in the nearest future we won't be able to drink Corona or Heineken. Only local brands.
Price wise your best bet get a table at a club. A bottle of vodka is 80000 (so 15-20 dollars at current rates).In what kind of clubs, Sean?
Besides clubs, is there good DJ bars in Minsk? (something that lacks to Kiev)
In what kind of clubs, Sean?
Besides clubs, is there good DJ bars in Minsk? (something that lacks to Kiev) Kiev and Ukraine has rich and outstanding DJ club scene, and some of the best DJs I met in New York and Chicago come from Kiev and Lviv. Kiev has after hours parties that go on until noon the next day, and people understand the underground music.
For good DJ music Minsk is the last place I would go to. We went to MayDay party in Minsk, I would say 20 thousand people were there and not one wore a glow stick. Belarus is cheap, has may beautiful girls that outnumber men, and friendly people and for me these are the only reasons to go there. For info about clubs, PM me.
Kiev and Ukraine has rich and outstanding DJ club scene, and some of the best DJs I met in New York and Chicago come from Kiev and Lviv. Kiev has after hours parties that go on until noon the next day, and people understand the underground music.Agree about the club scene in Kiev, nonetheless by DJ bars I meaned, well, DJ bars (smilie).
Planning a trip to Minsk. Would any one have following info.
1. Is there any park / s in the city? Any suggestions for rental apartment in a nice central area near night life (disco, casino etc) near health club / gym and park (for jogging ).
2. Would like to take Russian language classes. Any info about Russian language schools?
3. Names of some discos for non pro regular girls?
Thanks
Any info on how to get letter of invitation for visa. Is there any agency in New York area which assists for Belarusian visa?
Thanks
Juicyfruit
06-01-11, 01:37
Been wondering whether or not to head to Minsk.
I'm guessing I would not be able to use my bank cards over there as I will be screwed by the rate the bank sets. Suppose I would have to take USD or EUR into country.
I heard there is no food in the shops. Overall the situation must be worse than depressing at the moment, do you think I should go or steer well clear, I don't want envious eyes watching me whilst eating a sandwich.
Borderland
06-02-11, 19:00
Been wondering whether or not to head to Minsk.
I'm guessing I would not be able to use my bank cards over there as I will be screwed by the rate the bank sets. Suppose I would have to take USD or EUR into country.
I heard there is no food in the shops. Overall the situation must be worse than depressing at the moment, do you think I should go or steer well clear, I don't want envious eyes watching me whilst eating a sandwich.Juicy,
Mate the only sandwich you need to worry about is the ones you'll be having in the hotel room :) Belarus' economy is in trouble but not that bad that people will steal your last copeck. The great thing is that Belarus will be cheeper now due to the devaluation of the rouble. Take Euros as they are the most wanted and exchange on the black market, friends there tell me it's 9100 to the Euro on the black (take obvious precautions ). I've spent a lot of time over there whilst working for a charity in Grodno. You want to hit it up this summer? Read my report on here about it (rambles on a bit, was drunk when I wrote it I think ). It's not a good pro hunting place to be honest but freebies are good. If you really want some fun then we could pop over the Belarus border to some small Russian backwater towns that run down the Rus / Bel border, Russia has much much more opportunity. Trust me.
MinskGuide
06-03-11, 08:29
Been wondering whether or not to head to Minsk.
I'm guessing I would not be able to use my bank cards over there as I will be screwed by the rate the bank sets. Suppose I would have to take USD or EUR into country.
I heard there is no food in the shops. Overall the situation must be worse than depressing at the moment, do you think I should go or steer well clear, I don't want envious eyes watching me whilst eating a sandwich.Yes, Belarus economy is in trouble. Not that bad as you expect though. Official rate is now around 5000 BYR for 1 USD. Black market rates are between 5700 and 6300 BYR. You are not advised to get BYR with your card but you can get USD or EUR freely in cash machines. All the fuss was about BYR card holders trying to get USD cash under official rate. The gov just stopped it.
As for prices and cost of living in Minsk there is a interview with a Brit who has been living in Minsk for 7 years.
http://belarus-minsk.com/index.php/Teachers/i-keep-telling-my-friends-to-come-to-minsk.html
Might be interesting for someone.
Juicy,
Mate the only sandwich you need to worry about is the ones you'll be having in the hotel room. Belarus' economy is in trouble but not that bad that people will steal your last copeck. The great thing is that Belarus will be cheeper now due to the devaluation of the rouble. Take Euros as they are the most wanted and exchange on the black market, friends there tell me it's 9100 to the Euro on the black (take obvious precautions ). I've spent a lot of time over there whilst working for a charity in Grodno. You want to hit it up this summer? Read my report on here about it (rambles on a bit, was drunk when I wrote it I think ). It's not a good pro hunting place to be honest but freebies are good. If you really want some fun then we could pop over the Belarus border to some small Russian backwater towns that run down the Rus / Bel border, Russia has much much more opportunity. Trust me. You mean like Saratov? Always wondered about that, it must be good.
As far as economy, relating to other posts, plenty of food in the stores and a lot of decent restaurants from cheap to expensive (relatively).
Juicy,
Mate the only sandwich you need to worry about is the ones you'll be having in the hotel room. Belarus' economy is in trouble but not that bad that people will steal your last copeck. The great thing is that Belarus will be cheeper now due to the devaluation of the rouble. Take Euros as they are the most wanted and exchange on the black market, friends there tell me it's 9100 to the Euro on the black (take obvious precautions ). I've spent a lot of time over there whilst working for a charity in Grodno. You want to hit it up this summer? Read my report on here about it (rambles on a bit, was drunk when I wrote it I think ). It's not a good pro hunting place to be honest but freebies are good. If you really want some fun then we could pop over the Belarus border to some small Russian backwater towns that run down the Rus / Bel border, Russia has much much more opportunity. Trust me.Borderland. Nice to hear from you again on places yet to be discovered.
Have you been to Tiraspol recently? , and if so your much valued advise is needed in the Moldova Forum.
Cheers
Any info on how to get letter of invitation for visa. Is there any agency in New York area which assists for Belarusian visa?
ThanksYou can get a Hotel Booking in Minsk via an Agency, and take the Booking to the Embassy to get the VIsa.
In london I used selectaroom. Com.
Very reliable.
Felix Nordic
06-10-11, 18:30
Just returned back from Belarus and can add some info. The economic sitiation is indeed very problematic, and the shortage of hard currency like USD end Euro is the BIG thing. Very often I could overhear conversations between people talking in the streets and Euros and dollars was often heard. Another thing already mentioned is that many companies has stopped production and released their workers. As some payments has to be done in hard currency it leaves many ordinary people with a lot of problems. Most still gets their salary in Belarus rubles and they see their living conditions going the negative way. Not to mention those who have planned to go abroad for vacation.
I managed to exchange on the black market for Belarus rubles at 6000 to the USD. That is close to 20% up from the official rate which is now at around 5050. I heard that carpenters repairing your house want payment in the first case in hard currency. If payed with Belarus Rubles they want 10000 for the USD. At the airport shops had dfferent prices for hard currency and when payed with Belarus rubles, even according to the official rate. One shop set the Euro to 10000 and the USD to more than 7000.
It is not as bad though as some articles suggested. There are still plenty of food in the shops, but the prices have been adjusted upwards. Some imported goods are a 100% up but for some demestic products prices has not risen much. Bananas and other imported fruits were almost a 100% up as were Lays crisps. Prices on local alcohol had not risen much at all, but there has recently been a 10% tax raise. Still much cheaper than it used to be, especially if you change black. Cigarette prices has not risen much either. But what happened in the last days of my stay is that all the foreign brands disappeared from the shelfes. Before that you could buy a packet of Camels for 3200 rubles, which with black market exchange rate would be 1/2 a USD for a packet. Thats very cheap.
Entrance fees for the clubs has not risen much and that makes it very cheap now. Expect taxi prices to rise as the petrol price has risen much lately. Still good prices. Imported beers in the clubs are around 50% more expensive. A Pinacolada for a 19 year old student costed me 40000.
Apart from my "team" of ordinary girls, I found a stunning girl to sponsor. An ex-model. 24 years and 178 cm 58 kg, a pure 9, who needed hard currency to pay for her studies. Some things open up with harder times. Girls in general were a bit more open, but they were also a bit busier as well. It was of course student exam period, but for the girls with work it seems they have to work a lot and were really keen to keep their jobs. Not to loose at least some money and security.
Besides the economic crisis things were rather calm, as usual.
Met a forum member as well on my last evening which was nice. Cheers man, nice to meet! . I hope you will get success with one of the girls we met in West World club. . I Pulled a girl from the club after my friend went home to sleep (Girl was normal looking and a 7, but ok, sweet face) , and I shagged her at 4 am in my apartment. After sex and watching TV she told me she wanted money (which was never mentioned before. Conversation in club was that she was asking me if I had a wife or children or a GF. I of course said no. I told her I look for a girl for relationship because I come to Belarus on a regular basis. She asked me what I am doing in Belarus and I answered. After our conversation I suggested we go to my apartment as a wild chance. She asked if I had anything to drink, and I told her I have real good whisky and cola. And she liked that) I explained to her after she mentioned money that if she want money she has to tell that from the start. I am not looking for a prostitute. She was not really happy that I offered her taxi money only (50000). She told me her mother was ill and she needed money. I explained to her that I was tired and needed sleep because I fly home later the same day. I gave her USD 10 extra to get rid of her and she left. A semi-pro gold digger. Cest la vie! At 08.00 came my GF to say good bye to me, but I was so tired and it wasnt a pleasure.
/Felix
Vag Venator
06-15-11, 14:32
Where do you find these girls? And how much does it cost to sponsor them? I would prefer online places as I do not like night clubs / discos etc.
Carteblanche
06-15-11, 18:28
gentlemen,
with all due respect to this forum and its distinguished contributors, i am getting fed up with bumping into the term turkish-type or tukish-[CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) blah blah? are you insane? this is racism! that is illegal and means penalty! you would be interrogated for doing that on the street! referees forfeit games because of racist reactions! please, behave yourselves!
Kpiotrek78
06-20-11, 02:28
totally feel you on that carteblanche. the lack of manners and the ability to be sensitive and empathetic to others who are not like you is supposed to what makes us civilized 21st century individuals.
on a complete separate note, i am living in poland right now, but i travel all over eastern europe and former soviet union (fsu / cis) and i am really into group sex scene or swingers clubs which admit single men / men without female partners. i know warsaw has some clubs, moscow does. does minsk have a group sex / swinger scene? i would assume not, but then again i don't want to assume.
in poland, warsaw to be exact, they are opening up this place called le moulin rouge warsaw, www.lemoulinrougepl.com, which is trying to mirror the london adult party scene.
their first sex party is on june 29th. 2011 and they are throwing a parties wednesday through saturday.
5 girls, all inclusive unlimited sex, drink and food. this might be a nice alternative to the swinger scene in warsaw which i often have to pony up a escort to take with me to a group sex party which can be costly. is this an issue in minsk getting an escort to attend a swinger party with you?
le moulin rouge warsaw throws 2 hr parties. 3 times a day at a contribution of 550 polish zloty.
is there anything like that in minsk an adult group sex party or swing scene? they h.
gentlemen,
with all due respect to this forum and its distinguished contributors, i am getting fed up with bumping into the term turkish-type or tukish-[CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) blah blah? are you insane? this is racism! that is illegal and means penalty! you would be interrogated for doing that on the street! referees forfeit games because of racist reactions! please, behave yourselves!
Felix Nordic
06-20-11, 17:52
gentlemen,
with all due respect to this forum and its distinguished contributors, i am getting fed up with bumping into the term turkish-type or tukish-[CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) blah blah? are you insane? this is racism! that is illegal and means penalty! you would be interrogated for doing that on the street! referees forfeit games because of racist reactions! please, behave yourselves! is this some kind of spam or what on earth are you talking about?
who in the belarus part talked about turkish-[CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128)? you are talking crap.
if you feel it is offensive that some refers to clubs as being frequented by arabs and turks, and what that often brings regarding the scene, these are factual observations. if you have not observed the clubs in minsk you should not comment. though the phenomena can be observed in many other fsu countries as well. it is not a well kept secret that tons of sex tourists arrive from turkey and other middle eastern countries. these "tours" and the men associated with it very often gather in special clubs and that attracts a lot of hookers. some members more keen on amatures do not fancy this atmosphere and would prefer clubs with ordinary belarussians. there you find a much higher frequency of normal girls. i for sure do not like these middle eastern havens, and try to go to other clubs. it has nothing to do with racism at all, simply what kind of clubs and clientele that you feel comfortable in and what you want to hunt.
in general it can also be said that turks has a somewhat bad reputation in some fsu countries wheter you like it or not. no smoke without a fire. thats rather well known and not up to you and me to decide. why does for instance some brittish tourists have bad reputation at some resorts? why does some scandinavian tourists have bad reputation in austria? because many behave bad and get drunk and scream in the streets. yet the majority behaves well, but yet a trend can be observed. hence the bad reputation. with that said, there are of course many turks that behave good as well. however there is a reason for some reputations. period.
post something that adds value to this forum or do not post at all.
cheers,
felix
Member #4364
06-20-11, 18:31
Turkish man; it's not a must for you.
To spend your time in a western culture.
If somebody doesn't like me; I stay away.
Felix Nordic
06-20-11, 19:34
Where do you find these girls? And how much does it cost to sponsor them? I would prefer online places as I do not like night clubs / discos etc.The sponsor thing is rather big in FSU. It is a more gentle form of prostitution for both parts, but can be costly depending on the girl and how experienced she is to the game. Quite often these girls are young students without work or with a badly payed job. Some girls will do it for gifts only, and some for the combination of gifts and small money, and some will go for the very expensive gifts and rather big money. Quite often the stunners know their value and will cost you more. Occasionally you find beauties that are not experienced "spoilt" or fresh first timers. These are the diamonds, if you are lucky to find them.
Gifts comes in all forms, ranging from perfumes to fancy exotic trips. There are no fixed rules, and it is up to you and your skills to negotiate a good deal, and up to the girl and how keen she is on you and how desperate she is. In general it is easier if you are a business man, and with a nice manners, and visiting the country often, than if you are a first time visitor. (or tourist) One should also try to blend in a lot of charm, and a "fresh" sponsor girl will feel more comfortable, and more like she is your girlfriend. She will feel like she is your girl, the only difference is that you will help her a bit which makes her feel much better. I have only had a few sponsored girls, and I'm not that experienced as other members might be in this area. I know a few girls that intially have told me that they need help "pomosh" but have later withdrawn that and felt ashamed of herself for telling me. And hence after that has meet me without any requests about money. That means that it can pay off to be nice to them and not to treat them as a piece of meat only or a "prostitutka".
These girls can be found on internet sites and / or by contacts (insider info). Start with Mamba. Ru and sites like that. There are girls with profiles and photos. Use a translator programme and contact them. However it will take some time to sort out the goodies from bad seeds. For a "rookie" it will be harder unless you are skilled. For those with business in Belarus or frequent visitors it is easier. I would say that it takes a few visits to build up a network. Usually I do not search for "sponsored" girls, but I make exceptions occasionally if they are very beautiful or nice looking and kinky. Still nothing beats the pure amatuers. And with their personality, and GFE. Thats my game.
Cheers.
Felix
Member #4491
06-21-11, 15:46
Why does some scandinavian tourists have bad reputation in Austria?I am sure they (we) are all misunderstood by "ze real nazis". . Mate, I really appreciate your posts about Belarus. I was there a couple of years ago and look to go back soon. Great place, but intel is vital as always. Tack!
Barba
Turkish man; it's not a must for you.
To spend your time in a western culture.
If somebody doesn't like me; I stay away.Could you please write in English?
We who speak English don't understand what hell you are trying to say.
Member #4274
07-15-11, 09:05
First post on this site!
I am looking for a little advice from people like 'Felix Nordic' or anyone with any knowledge on the subject. Last summer was my first real 'mongering' in the FSU and I enjoyed some wonderful success with a couple Ukrainian beauties / students. I really enjoyed my time in Kyiv and have even lined up a few freebies via the internet and I am sure will pan out with little difficulty.
However. I am very interested in Minsk, Belarus. I've worked the internet pretty good and have been speaking with a number of lovely Belarusian women. The problem I am having is I am just not sure how safe or wise it is to visit this country. Of course I will avoid the demonstrations and any sight of protest I will quickly retreat elsewhere, but how wise is it to visit a country where my own country has pulled out its embassy (Canada)? I have heard the streets are clean and safe (which is more than I can say for Kyiv) but how safe is it for English speaking foreigner in this backwards country?
Any advice? Should I play is safe and go to Kyiv or take a great adventure and go to Minsk? Money is not a problem.
Hi there.
We (6-people gang) going to have a sex-tour to Eastern Europe. We have got options in Poland, Ukraine and Hungary already. We would also like to visit Belarus.
Here's a problem. We have money but not time. We going to spend only one night in Minsk. Maybe a little bit more. We don't have time for hanging out.
Could someone help with. Leisure time? It would be cool to organize a trip out of town.
Maybe you can share contacts of people who could assist us in Minsk?
Money is not a problem.
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Member #4274
07-19-11, 07:56
For those of you who are presently preparing a trip to Minsk and wonder where in hell you can obtain a travel insurance from a Belarus insurance co before you leave, you don't have to. You can get it at Minsk airport when you get out of the plane, before you go through passport control. There are a couple of booths and it's dirt cheap. I usually stay 3-4 weeks on each visit (for business) and it costs about 10-15 USD each time.
JimHey Jim,
Do you find Minsk expensive? I am a Canadian planning a trip there in September for one month. Now, I am not reall on a budget but I am considering a trip to Kiev again instead of Minsk. What are your thoughts? My trip is basically for mongering.
I appreciate any help or advice you can offer!
Kiev is much better option than Minsk especially if it's your first trip in FSU.
Here Belarus sub-forum has 722 reports and Ukraine thread sub-forum has 15, 862 reports.
Guess why is like that.
Member #4274
07-22-11, 06:25
Kiev is much better option than Minsk especially if it's your first trip in FSU.
Here Belarus sub-forum has 722 reports and Ukraine thread sub-forum has 15, 862 reports.
Guess why is like that.You make a fair point, Kurenda. I was in the Ukraine last summer for one month and had a lot of success meeting women. I just thought with how segregated Belarus is and how screwed up their economy and political system is I would have more luck. Have you been to both cities?
Member #4491
07-26-11, 01:19
Any advice? Should I play is safe and go to Kyiv or take a great adventure and go to Minsk? Money is not a problem.I was in Minsk for a couple of nights once and loved the place. Went to a two regular nightclubs and made contact with some fantastic females. Minsk is very exotic IMHO. Really would like to visit again.
One partner told me that Minsk is 100% safe as long as you do not enter politics, but I have now idea about the safety at the moment.
All the best / Barba
Member #4274
07-27-11, 08:30
I was in Minsk for a couple of nights once and loved the place. Went to a two regular nightclubs and made contact with some fantastic females. Minsk is very exotic IMHO. Really would like to visit again.
One partner told me that Minsk is 100% safe as long as you do not enter politics, but I have now idea about the safety at the moment.
All the best / BarbaThanks Barba!
I have zero interest in getting involved with their politics and in fact I quietly hope Belarus stays under the control of that Lukashenko fool so Belarus will continue to be a unusual / unpopular destination for tourists. I have spoken with a number of women from different websites and they've definitely shown a lot of interest in the idea of my heading to Minsk. So, Belarus is still in the cards alothough I have a deep love for all things Kyiv, Ukraine.
MinskGuide
07-28-11, 13:39
Minsk is getting cheaper. Prices for local drinks are still the same as they were two month ago but USD has risen from 3100 BYR to 6500 now. It was 6200 a week ago. People expect further devaluation up to 8000 BYR. So, anyone who is a hard currency holder will be fine.
As for safety, Minsk is really calm if we are talking about street crimes. Especially, against foreign tourists. Haven't heard about it for a long time. Maybe, it's because foreigners in Minsk are a bit scared, feel uncomfortable and don't want to leave center of the city. Do not know why is that. One Holland guy told me Minsk frightens him because the city is empty. True, if you are first time in Minsk you'll be surprised with very few people on the streets.
Member #4491
07-28-11, 20:15
True, if you are first time in Minsk you'll be surprised with very few people on the streets.And then you visit Scandinavia outside the "cities" and experience what is perceived as nuclear winter by most visitors. If you are lucky you might see a curtain move if you walk by a house.
I plan to go back to Minsk soon, simply because I have the opportunity to do so with business as an excuse. Are you really a Minsk guide, MinskGuide? I always enjoy to meet someone that knows the scene. A bit like fishing. You can do it yourself and there is great joy in your own discoveries, but if you are on a schedule, a guide will with 100% certainty result in more and bigger trouts.
I will browse back the forum for some advice on where to stay. Stayed in a large fancy hotel last time, where I had a 200 caviar serving from the tip of the tea spoon, and this time I will stay and eat in accordance with my budget instead.
B.
the city is empty. True, if you are first time in Minsk you'll be surprised with very few people on the streets.Here now and yes it is empty. It's quite strange.
MinskGuide
07-29-11, 13:33
Here now and yes it is empty. It's quite strange.Explanation is simple. During WW2 Minsk was totally destroyed. Instead of rebuilding the city (like, for example, Warsaw did) the authorities decided to build the city center from a scratch. There are a lot of controversy about it. Some people says the historical buildings should have been reconstructed but it 's too late to discuss. What we have now is long Independence Avenue and city center have been built according to some architectural standards. Don't ask me what standards. The only thing I know it is about buildings with no more than 5 stores and wide streets. Must be some kind of proportion or something. That gives visual effect of space.
Strangely enough, but Minsk is actually a very densely populated city. Its population is three times higher that in Vilnues on the same territory. If you ask: "Where are people then?" I would advise to go to mikrorayons (small districts, I can't call them suburbia as they are part of the city).
MinskGuide
07-29-11, 13:55
Are you really a Minsk guide, MinskGuide? I always enjoy to meet someone that knows the scene.
B.Well, sort of. I don't do it professionally. I am just a local who had been living in the UK for a while and often go there for business (in Germany as well). Normally I enjoy having a pint or more at "U ratushi" (formerly known as "05") pub and chat with an occasional foreigner just for the sake of speaking English. Sometimes we talk about girls and share our views where to go and what to do. It would be great to meet up and have a chat with you, when you in Minsk.
As for accommodation for long term I'd rather advise you to rent an apartment than staying in a hotel. Downside is that you need to register in OVIR if you stay longer than 5 days (not sure, maybe 7 now)
Here now and yes it is empty. It's quite strange.Yes Lukashenko rounded up all people and sent them to the agricultural fields to collect the grain. Just like in Cambodia.
No you don't know much about the Minsk.
The worst time to visit the city is July-August. Many students who are out of the town left home for summer holiday.
Many employed people take their holiday time from mid July to mid August. Right now many of them are in Crimea.
Late August and city is full again.
"Maybe, it's because foreigners in Minsk are a bit scared, feel uncomfortable and don't want to leave center of the city. Do not know why is that."
Maybe because the western medias portrait Belarus as the last dictatorship in Europe, with crazy president and huge military and police presence at the street.
Member #4274
07-29-11, 19:56
Yes Lukashenko rounded up all people and sent them to the agricultural fields to collect the grain. Just like in Cambodia.
No you don't know much about the Minsk.
The worst time to visit the city is July-August. Many students who are out of the town left home for summer holiday.
Many employed people take their holiday time from mid July to mid August. Right now many of them are in Crimea.
Late August and city is full again.
"Maybe, it's because foreigners in Minsk are a bit scared, feel uncomfortable and don't want to leave center of the city. Do not know why is that."
Maybe because the western medias portrait Belarus as the last dictatorship in Europe, with crazy president and huge military and police presence at the street.Not that Kurenda needs me to back up his point for it to be correct, but what he is saying is right on the mark. I have a couple of friends who live in Minsk and they are all currently in the Crimea. I receive many messages from people I know in Kiev but no one from Minsk right now. They are all on vacation.
I will tell you this: I am seriously considering a trip to Minsk for 6 weeks this September but I am rather nervous about it. That said, if not Minsk I will go to Kiev and my feeling is more excitement than anything being in Ukraine once more. It is quite simply the political situation in Belarus that has me unnerved. However, my friends in Minsk tell me my anxiety is unfounded and I'll enjoy their city.
Member #4491
07-29-11, 21:45
It would be great to meet up and have a chat with you, when you in Minsk.
As for accommodation for long term I'd rather advise you to rent an apartment than staying in a hotel. Downside is that you need to register in OVIR if you stay longer than 5 days (not sure, maybe 7 now) Would be great. First one is one me!
No idea what OVIR is. Is it a time-consuming process?
B
OVIR = Otdel Visa I Registraciji.
Meaning Department of Visas and Registrations.
For the foreigner who wants to register on his own there it's pain in the ass. You need to take your local hosts (who usually will not do it) with you there and spend hours waiting for registration.
CanadianBoy it will be hard to get 6 week visa. Maximum for the tourist visa is 30 days. In some cases maybe visa will be issued but it will cost time and money.
Better to use that extra money in Kiev for example. Current political situation in Minsk is calm. But opposition plans protest for September. They are on also on vacation right now.
Member #4491
07-30-11, 22:06
OVIR = Otdel Visa I Registraciji.
Meaning Department of Visas and Registrations.
For the foreigner who wants to register on his own there it's pain in the ass. You need to take your local hosts (who usually will not do it) with you there and spend hours waiting for registration.Thank's Kurenda. How many days before this crap is required? Can't I just pay someone to queue up, like in Phil?
/H
Registrations is needed in 3 working days upon arrival. Weekdays are not counted in.
Maybe this period is extended (like in Russia it was 3 working days and now it's 7 working days) don't know about it but official belarus MFA website still says 3 days.
If you're staying in the hotel they do registration for your automatically upon checking in. Any other way of accomodation and you're on your own.
If staying in apartment then agency must do it for you but in most cases agency is not owing the aprtment you will be staying in but it has a private owner.
Member #4274
08-01-11, 22:00
Yes Lukashenko rounded up all people and sent them to the agricultural fields to collect the grain. Just like in Cambodia.
No you don't know much about the Minsk.
The worst time to visit the city is July-August. Many students who are out of the town left home for summer holiday.
Many employed people take their holiday time from mid July to mid August. Right now many of them are in Crimea.
Late August and city is full again.
"Maybe, it's because foreigners in Minsk are a bit scared, feel uncomfortable and don't want to leave center of the city. Do not know why is that."
Maybe because the western medias portrait Belarus as the last dictatorship in Europe, with crazy president and huge military and police presence at the street.Kurenda, but is the western media's portrait of Belarus and its government true? To what extent is it accurate?
Kurenda, but is the western media's portrait of Belarus and its government true? To what extent is it accurate?Try this one:
http://counterpunch.com/brand07082011.html
A fairly well-reasoned interpretation, though nothing a casual tourist out to have a good enough time as he can ought to trouble himself thinking about too much.
As for expenses, costs will end up getting reckoned in harder currencies.
Member #4274
08-02-11, 05:04
Try this one:
http://counterpunch.com/brand07082011.html
A fairly well-reasoned interpretation, though nothing a casual tourist out to have a good enough time as he can ought to trouble himself thinking about too much.
As for expenses, costs will end up getting reckoned in harder currencies.I want to thank you, Golfinho, for suggesting that link. I read it quite carefully and enjoyed it immensely. While I am not ready to jump on the 'feel sorry for poor Lukashenko and his government and screw the US and Russia' bandwaggon, I must say the objectivity of the article was both refreshing and illuminating. Maybe I will head to Minsk instead of Kiev this September afterall.
To Canadianboy: I assume that you are Canadian by the name. .
Did you stay in Ukraine / Kiev last year between 8:th and 12:th of September, and was a frequent visitor at the Rio Club?
To all: Hi, am a new member. I really like the forum, a lot of nice posts and information.
Member #4274
08-10-11, 08:16
To Canadianboy: I assume that you are Canadian by the name. .
Did you stay in Ukraine / Kiev last year between 8:th and 12:th of September, and was a frequent visitor at the Rio Club?
To all: Hi, am a new member. I really like the forum, a lot of nice posts and information.Yes, I am Canadian and I was in Kiev last summer for one month from mid-July to mid-August. I was actually at Riverpalace in Kiev the night before it was forced to close. I have never been to Rio club as it doesn't interest me. Why do you ask?
I am coming to Europe this mid-September to late October and seriously debating between Minsk and Kiev.
It was a long shot. We met a nice Canadian guy there (don't remember the name) and he seemed to be there every night. We are going to Minsk in mid-September.
Member #4274
08-11-11, 02:28
It was a long shot. We met a nice Canadian guy there (don't remember the name) and he seemed to be there every night. We are going to Minsk in mid-September.All Canadian guys are nice. Anyway, send me a PM what dates you'll be in Minsk. Maybe we can meet up for a drink or whatnot. Have you been there before? I am a little apprehensive about going but I know a lovely young woman living there who promised to show me her city.
Member #4274
08-29-11, 20:39
I was in Belarus for 16 days and I will try to post a report later.
It was mentioned that registration must be done within 3 days but it is actually 5 days.
Also I found a bank where you can get USD cash if you have a foreign account with hard currency. It is Prior bank. The one I went to was here:
http://maps.google.se/maps?hl=sv&gs_upl=1401l6456l0l7579l16l16l0l2l2l0l251l2297l1.11.2l14l0&bav=on.2
, or. R_gc. R_pw. &biw=1366&bih=665&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=prior+bank+Minsk&fb=1&gl=se&hq=prior+bank&hnear=0x46dbcfd35b1e6ad3:0xb61b853ddb570d9, Minsk, +Vitryssland&ei=ieVbTt2QK4-bOsmdwIMM&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&ved=0CAQQtgM&iwloc=cids:7878493680528873388.
It is a good relief for those who needs more hard currency and did not bring enough. There is no guarantee however they will have USD cash. There is a ATM outside where you can get USD cash. If there are no USD in the ATM go inside the bank and make your withdrawal. Bring your passport! The official exchange rate is now around 5070 to the Belarus rouble. The last black exchange rate I got was 7250 for the USD. There is a quite official rumour the Blr Rouble will default in September to around 7000 to end the black market. Who knows what will happen? Russia has demanded conditions for their loan. Belarus has to build a new Nuclear power plant delivering 80% of the energy to Russia and leaving only 20% to be used in Belarus. Again, who knows what will happen. So, the currency crisis continues continues. It is true what some wrote that visiting Belarus in August will be hard because many girls leave on holiday, abroad or to relatives in Belarus. That also caused me some problems because some girls were just gone. However I had to adjust to my vacation period.
Cheers and happy hunting!
/FelixThanks for the report, Felix! I am coming to Minsk in mid-September for a four week stay. I am looking forward to my first trip to Belarus. Is it better to bring Euro's, US dollars or Canadian dollars or does it even matter? By the way, where can you do a 'Black Market' exchange?
Lastly, any clubs or Casino's you would recommend for out hobby? I appreciate the help!
Felix Nordic
08-29-11, 20:49
I was in Belarus for 16 days and I will try to post a report later.
It was mentioned that registration must be done within 3 days but it is actually 5 days.
Also I found a bank where you can get USD cash if you have a foreign account with hard currency. It is Prior bank. The one I went to was here:
http://maps.google.se/maps?hl=sv&gs_upl=1401l6456l0l7579l16l16l0l2l2l0l251l2297l1.11.2l14l0&bav=on.2
, or. R_gc. R_pw. &biw=1366&bih=665&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=prior+bank+Minsk&fb=1&gl=se&hq=prior+bank&hnear=0x46dbcfd35b1e6ad3:0xb61b853ddb570d9, Minsk, +Vitryssland&ei=ieVbTt2QK4-bOsmdwIMM&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&ved=0CAQQtgM&iwloc=cids:7878493680528873388.
It is a good relief for those who needs more hard currency and did not bring enough. There is no guarantee however they will have USD cash. There is a ATM outside where you can get USD cash. If there are no USD in the ATM go inside the bank and make your withdrawal. Bring your passport! The official exchange rate is now around 5070 to the Belarus rouble. The last black exchange rate I got was 7250 for the USD. There is a quite official rumour the Blr Rouble will default in September to around 7000 to end the black market. Who knows what will happen? Russia has demanded conditions for their loan. Belarus has to build a new Nuclear power plant delivering 80% of the energy to Russia and leaving only 20% to be used in Belarus. Again, who knows what will happen. So, the currency crisis continues. It is true what some wrote that visiting Belarus in August will be hard because many girls leave on holiday, abroad or to relatives in Belarus. That also caused me some problems because some girls were just gone. However I had to adjust to my vacation period.
In the meanwhile, a photo of the exmodel I shagged in June.
Cheers and happy hunting!
/Felix
Canadianboy,
Been away for a while. We will be in Minsk between 16-20:th of Sep.
Felix Nordic
08-29-11, 22:24
Thanks for the report, Felix! I am coming to Minsk in mid-September for a four week stay. I am looking forward to my first trip to Belarus. Is it better to bring Euro's, US dollars or Canadian dollars or does it even matter? By the way, where can you do a 'Black Market' exchange?
Lastly, any clubs or Casino's you would recommend for out hobby? I appreciate the help!Bring Euros or USD (not Canadian dollars!)
I am sorry to say so, and please do not take it as an insult, but you sound a bit unexperienced and naive. Please be careful and smart. Be street smart and I think you would be fine. Bargain a bit with taxi drivers but you must know a bit of Russian and sound smart.
September will be a good month. University students are back in town! Girls are more relaxed before the first exam period starts and hence can party more.
For clubs go to West World club if you are around 30 and not bad looking. Girls are younger (often 18. 22) and in general preferes men not too old, as in my case. I am 41 but I do have some EE experiences (not expert though) Some girls do prefer older "business men" as they provide hope and can give some comfort to a hard life. However flashing a western passport will get you nowhere. I am quite charming and open when going out. Bring some jokes for the girls and it is advisable to know at least some Russian. If not, your chioces will be limited. Try the club Madison for a more upscale club. Avoid Next. A high end club is Over Time (many girls favourite. I have actually not been there myself.and I think girls there could be a bit snobbish. And it might take a pinch to your wallet for club costs) A place to meet more easy girls would be Max Show or Juravinka. Be aware of the hookers at Max show as they will grossly over charge you as a foreigner. I am not that much into clubs and would rather use internet for pre contacts. It is hard to give advice because I have built up my network of girls for several years. I have done a few years of hard work and can now harvest. I would think it is harder for a new guy in town. Put on yourself the coat and role of an experienced man and be charming but not stupid. Paying drinks for girls when you feel they are overly eager might just be that you pay and loose them. Use your gut feeling. All that glitters aint gold. An honest girl will not ask you for the most expensive cocktail in the bar. A girl who knows bar men in the club or has many friends there, girls or men is a red flag. A girl who is often busy with her mobile phone is another warning sign. (you will probably have competition and she is used to the game). If she is overly serious it is a general advise to ditch her and look for a more easy girl (provided you are not ready to put time and effort into taking her to the bed. Or wish a long time GF) I have never pulled a one night stand in Belarus directly from a club and it seems it is not in their culture. With internet contacts I make around 50% that shag at first date. (of the girls showing interest and that are ready. Some still takes a few dates to open up) However that means a lot of prework and nice conversation that has to be done.
More photos of ex-model sponsorette from June.
In the last photo she wears the new panties I gave her as a gift.
/Felix
Felix Nordic
08-29-11, 22:49
On my last visit (August) I found a really nice and pretty girl. At the bottom in the pic. Quite a wild girl. She came with her friend which I did not expect. Not really a hard core lesbian thing but they wanted to play infront of my camera and I did not mind. Her friend was not that interesting to me. But she was. Perhaps more will follow.
However this is a lucky find. I think it is not a thing available for the rookie, unless you are lucky. Perhaps I am wrong. Again, a lucky find and a sponsorette. Last photo before going to sleep. And.
/Felix
Member #4274
08-29-11, 23:09
[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1191732]Bring Euros or USD (not Canadian dollars!)
I am sorry to say so, and please do not take it as an insult, but you sound a bit unexperienced and naive. Please be careful and smart. Be street smart and I think you would be fine. Bargain a bit with taxi drivers but you must know a bit of Russian and sound smart.
September will be a good month. University students are back in town! Girls are more relaxed before the first exam period starts and hence can party more.
For clubs go to West World club if you are around 30 and not bad looking. Girls are younger (often 18. 22) and in general preferes men not too old, as in my case. I am 41 but I do have some EE experiences (not expert though) Some girls do prefer older "business men" as they provide hope and can give some comfort to a hard life. However flashing a western passport will get you nowhere. I am quite charming and open when going out. Bring some jokes for the girls and it is advisable to know at least some Russian. If not, your chioces will be limited. Try the club Madison for a more upscale club. Avoid Next.
Thanks for the helpful advice, Felix! When it comes to Minsk / Belarus I am naive however if you look at my posts for Kiev I have spent a considerable amount of time there (and I use to live in Budapest, Hungary) so that side of the globe is not foreign to me by any means. What is more, I have already gained a number of contact via the internet before my arrival so I have options already. I am in my mid-thirties but look younger and I dress extremely well. Like a "business man". Really, meeting women has never been an issure for me in the FSU, its just knowing where to go and where to avoid in Minsk.
Let me ask you, why don't you recommend the club 'Next'? Lastly, how expensive is it to just get my visa at Minsk-2? I have heard a variety of opinions on here and from other sources.
Again, I appreciate your help. I take all of your advice seriously.
Member #4274
08-29-11, 23:12
Bring Euros or USD (not Canadian dollars!)
I am sorry to say so, and please do not take it as an insult, but you sound a bit unexperienced and naive. Please be careful and smart. Be street smart and I think you would be fine. Bargain a bit with taxi drivers but you must know a bit of Russian and sound smart.
September will be a good month. University students are back in town! Girls are more relaxed before the first exam period starts and hence can party more.
For clubs go to West World club if you are around 30 and not bad looking. Girls are younger (often 18. 22) and in general preferes men not too old, as in my case. I am 41 but I do have some EE experiences (not expert though) Some girls do prefer older "business men" as they provide hope and can give some comfort to a hard life. However flashing a western passport will get you nowhere. I am quite charming and open when going out. Bring some jokes for the girls and it is advisable to know at least some Russian. If not, your chioces will be limited. Try the club Madison for a more upscale club. Avoid Next. A high end club is Over Time (many girls favourite. I have actually not been there myself. And I think girls there could be a bit snobbish. And it might take a pinch to your wallet for club costs) A place to meet more easy girls would be Max Show or Juravinka. Be aware of the hookers at Max show as they will grossly over charge you as a foreigner. I am not that much into clubs and would rather use internet for pre contacts. It is hard to give advice because I have built up my network of girls for several years. I have done a few years of hard work and can now harvest. I would think it is harder for a new guy in town. Put on yourself the coat and role of an experienced man and be charming but not stupid. Paying drinks for girls when you feel they are overly eager might just be that you pay and loose them. Use your gut feeling. All that glitters aint gold. An honest girl will not ask you for the most expensive cocktail in the bar. A girl who knows bar men in the club or has many friends there, girls or men is a red flag. A girl who is often busy with her mobile phone is another warning sign. (you will probably have competition and she is used to the game). If she is overly serious it is a general advise to ditch her and look for a more easy girl (provided you are not ready to put time and effort into taking her to the bed. Or wish a long time GF) I have never pulled a one night stand in Belarus directly from a club and it seems it is not in their culture. With internet contacts I make around 50% that shag at first date. (of the girls showing interest and that are ready. Some still takes a few dates to open up) However that means a lot of prework and nice conversation that has to be done.
More photos of ex-model sponsorette from June.
In the last photo she wears the new panties I gave her as a gift.
/FelixThanks for the helpful advice, Felix! When it comes to Minsk / Belarus I am naive however if you look at my posts for Kiev I have spent a considerable amount of time there (and I use to live in Budapest, Hungary) so that side of the globe is not foreign to me by any means. What is more, I have already gained a number of contact via the internet before my arrival so I have options already. I am in my mid-thirties but look younger and I dress extremely well. Like a "business man". Really, meeting women has never been an issure for me in the FSU, its just knowing where to go and where to avoid in Minsk.
Let me ask you, why don't you recommend the club 'Next'? Lastly, how expensive is it to just get my visa at Minsk-2? I have heard a variety of opinions on here and from other sources.
Again, I appreciate your help. I take all of your advice seriously.
Member #4274
08-29-11, 23:23
On my last visit (August) I found a really nice and pretty girl. At the bottom in the pic. Quite a wild girl. She came with her friend which I did not expect. Not really a hard core lesbian thing but they wanted to play infront of my camera and I did not mind. Her friend was not that interesting to me. But she was. Perhaps more will follow.
However this is a lucky find. I think it is not a thing available for the rookie, unless you are lucky. Perhaps I am wrong. Again, a lucky find and a sponsorette. Last photo before going to sleep. And.
/FelixAll I can say to this is WOW! Well, done, sir! Well done!
Felix Nordic
08-29-11, 23:46
Thanks for the helpful advice, Felix! When it comes to Minsk / Belarus I am naive however if you look at my posts for Kiev I have spent a considerable amount of time there (and I use to live in Budapest, Hungary) so that side of the globe is not foreign to me by any means. What is more, I have already gained a number of contact via the internet before my arrival so I have options already. I am in my mid-thirties but look younger and I dress extremely well. Like a "business man". Really, meeting women has never been an issure for me in the FSU, its just knowing where to go and where to avoid in Minsk.
Let me ask you, why don't you recommend the club 'Next'? Lastly, how expensive is it to just get my visa at Minsk-2? I have heard a variety of opinions on here and from other sources.
Again, I appreciate your help. I take all of your advice seriously.I am glad you did not take it as an insult. If you got some EE experiences that is fine! I did not check your previous posts at all, so perhaps I am wrong. Just wated to give some advice. I think you will be fine. Interesting enough, I have been in Budapest quite many times. I have not explored Hungary to the full yet, but has had nice GF's there. Quite kinky ones. Again, it takes a bit work and time. Hungarian girls are among the best in Europe. No suprise why many porn models are from Hungary, I believe. Also good wine and food in Hungary. Try the reds and whites made by Wekler. They can be bought for around 1200-1300 forints in Tesco In Budapest. Hungary has more to offer regarding girls. Still In Budapest it is a bit hard. Many new comers has been fooled by easy traps in Budpest. A lot of infamous scams going on or at least used to be. I have not fallen for them, quite often at Vaci Utca. (If you know some Hungarian people they can confirm that Hungary is partly a mafia country as well)
You can get a Visa at the airport only if there is no Belarus embassy in your country. Cost is usually fair. I did that a few years ago but since then regulations changed and as my country has a Belarus embassy that option is not valid anymore. You still need an invitation voucher from a Belarus approved travel agency in order to get the visa. That will set you back another USD 30 apart from the cost of the Visa.
Why not club Next? It is a club filled with some rich elite or those pretending to be. That goes for the girls as well. Have been there twice and it is filled with hookers and Arabs. Not my kind of clientele at all. I prefer clubs where mostly "normal girls" go. Some say it has changed for the better, but I have no confirmation. Two negatives says it is a No No for me. For those who wish, please visit the club.
Cheers.
/Felix
East Explorer
09-05-11, 20:21
Let me ask you, why don't you recommend the club 'Next'? Lastly, how expensive is it to just get my visa at Minsk-2? I have heard a variety of opinions on here and from other sources.Hi CB.
I was in Minsk more than a dozen of times and will be staying here until the end of September. Have been to virtually every club in this city."Next" is indeed a rather expensive club, packed with (mostly turkish and arab) foreigners who don't know any better place to go.
For all visa issues check out this site.
www.belembassy.org
We may catch up for a beer. Send me a PM.
Member #4274
09-09-11, 19:45
After several weeks deliberating between a return trip to Kiev or a new adventure in Minsk, I decided upon the ladder and will arrive next week via Frankfurt. It wasn't an easy decision as I had a great experience and a lot of luck with women in Kiev last summer. However, I am much more prepared in going to Minsk then I was for Kiev and I'm certain I will enjoy some degree of success there. I have contacted and have been contacted by a variety of women living in Minsk from internet sites plus last summer I met a lovely Belarusian student living in Kiev at the time who promised to be my guide in Minsk. So, I am hoping for no shortage of action. Of course I will relate my experiences here as they happen not only in dealings with women but the differences and similarities as I see them between Kiev and Minsk. Despite the lopsided difference in posts between Kiev and Minsk, I am convinced there is a lot of fun to be had in Belarus with a little patience and sense of adventure.
If anyone is in Minsk from middle of Sept. To the middle of Oct. Send me a PM!
Criss Thor
09-12-11, 12:09
Hello. Can someone share here any of the good belarussian web site to contact some nice girls outside of Minsk? I will visit Svetlogorsk, and would like to try to find some opportunity.
I have been living in Vilnius for 4 years now and the place is dead. You find freebies pretending you are looking for a serious relationship and super over priced hookers. They claim they charge similar prices to the ones they charge when they work abroad. That has made me consider spending weekends in Minsk in autumn.
So basically and as per what I have read here, the action happens mostly in Next and mamba. Ru, correct? Mind that the "normal club / normal girls" story is nothing I am interested in (that I already have I Vilnius and then you do not know how to get rid of them).
The fact that there are many "Arabs" in Next is not a problem for me. First of all I have been checking pics on relax. By and I have not see many "Arabs" anywhere, just a couple of Turks here and there. There seem to be more "Russian oligarch" wannabe types. I have not seen Italians at all (which is good; those are a plague) and perhaps some pommie looking guy or two (they could be Swedes or Danes). Anyway, the place looks quite foreigner free, which is good. Prices: usd100 for a couple of hours to usd100 for all night, correct? Is is possible to find good looking semi-pros at usd100-150 all night? Students, etc.
The mamba. Ru business. Hmmm. What is the average price asked for? I am talking about a nice looking girl and not the typical milky skinned bleached blonde that populates that type of sites. Any contact that you could share? I favour students short of cash for obvious reasons.
Thanks for your help.
J.
Buddy. All you need under one roof you will find in Westworld Club.
A huge place full of students, semi pros, hookers etc. And in the same complex there are Strip Clubs as well.
Touching is allowed in the Strip Clubs.
Prices are not written in stone.
Starting prices are US$100, but if you are staying in a hotel the girls will be monitored by security, who want up to 20% commission from the girls.
Vilinus. What a Shithole for P4P, and Kaunas was even worse.
No wonder the American Pilot with Ryanair compared it to Siberia, refusing to be based there.
How do I know?
Had to pass through both to get to MInsk.
And what a differnce that was.
Met 2 great looking students in Westworld club.
I am no Brad Pitt in the looks dept, but so I am told a (Tom Sellick lookalike) and in the wrong half of my forties.
In my post below, it was meant to be TOM SELLECK, not Sillick.
Otherwise you may ask SILLICK. WHO?
OMG. I can't believe Mongers not rushing to Minsk. When today at Bloomberg. Com / currencies, its nearly 8000 Ruble to the US$.
Think of all the pussies you can have with your easily earned Bucks.
After several weeks deliberating between a return trip to Kiev or a new adventure in Minsk, I decided upon the ladder and will arrive next week via Frankfurt. It wasn't an easy decision as I had a great experience and a lot of luck with women in Kiev last summer. However, I am much more prepared in going to Minsk then I was for Kiev and I'm certain I will enjoy some degree of success there. I have contacted and have been contacted by a variety of women living in Minsk from internet sites plus last summer I met a lovely Belarusian student living in Kiev at the time who promised to be my guide in Minsk. So, I am hoping for no shortage of action. Of course I will relate my experiences here as they happen not only in dealings with women but the differences and similarities as I see them between Kiev and Minsk. Despite the lopsided difference in posts between Kiev and Minsk, I am convinced there is a lot of fun to be had in Belarus with a little patience and sense of adventure.
If anyone is in Minsk from middle of Sept. To the middle of Oct. Send me a PM!Hi Canadian Boy.
My apologies 4 the late Pm, only checked my box today.
Sent you a pm.
I really think Westworld, because of th sheer size of it, does have the best possibilities & its a mixture.
Try the bar & club in Hotel Planeta.
For vegeterian food & Grills + nice atmosphere try Byblos Restaurant.
Take Care
Member #4274
10-15-11, 16:24
I just spent one fantastic month in Minsk. I am baffled there are not more people going to this clean, calm little city with a laid back atmosphere. I admit Minsk is a greater challenge for tourism or mongering then Kiev but there is much to like about it especially how everything is quite cheap right now even compared to Kiev. I joined a few internet sites before I left for Minsk and gained a dozen numbers at least of very attractive Belarussian women. There were few girls offering straight up sex for roubles but many under 24 university hotties looking for a guy to support them in exchange for a girlfriend experience, which is more to my liking anyway. I have never understood the mentality of men who go to strip clubs and later boast of having sex with a woman who undoubtedly had five different guys that week. In my opinion, my route is a far greater experience and challenge.
The first week I was in Minsk I had dinner at Grand Cafe, Black Door Club or Renaissance Cafe with three of the most appealing women I met online. To be honest they were all beautiful, sweet and interested but I had to decide upon one. I liked to take them to high end places to show them I had money, class and was serious. Belarussian women love this. I finally decided on one beautiful, young studentka originally from Gomel named Ekaterina (Keyt). A real red headed beauty of 174 cm with green eyes, a model figure and a remarkably full, perky ass for such a slim woman. After a few days of taking her shopping for clothes at Mango, out to nice restaurants and an evening with her and a beautiful friend of hers at the terrific Dozari night club (it was great having two young beauties on my arms) , she started to stay with me at my flat and I enjoyed a regular GF experience with Keyt. Like many people know, Slavic women are warm, wonderful girlfriends once they decide to be with a man. In fact, she would even get quite jealous when other women in Dozari approached me.
Keyt told me how her mother, who only earned 150 USD a month, was supporting her. This is not an unusual situation for studentka's in Minsk as many I met only had one parent supporting them. So, the ability to buy nice clothes, go for nice dinners and enjoy many things in life western women at that age take for granted is almost impossible. However, many beautiful, young Belarussian women are not as liberal about sex as women from neighbouring countries. They are much more conservative and usually only offer it after they feel comfortable and respected. Once they do a man enjoys the affection of a young beauty unparalleled in Europe and North America, in my opinion. Not only was she a young, beauty who I was supporting in exchange for a GF experience but she honestly became a friend. This is the benefit of traveling in a city for an extended period of time and not just a quick weekend.
That said, I have no delusions of grandeur. While Keyt insisted she was single and excited at the idea of my returning to Minsk in April, I am sure she has a regular Belarussian boyfriend, like most of these girls do. But it's all good as there are many young beauties in Minsk to pursue!
Suka Shalava
10-18-11, 12:42
1. I just spent one fantastic month in Minsk, and I am baffled why there are not more people going to this little city?
2. I admit Minsk is a greater challenge for mongering.
3. I have never understood the mentality of men who go to strip clubs and later boast.
4. In my opinion, my route is a far greater experience and challenge.
5. The first week I was in Minsk I had dinner with three of the most appealing women I met online, but I had to decide upon one.1. Don't be baffled! The majority's priority is to take the easier more travelled road. And don't knock them, you should really be happy about that. Would you have been happier if those places you took out the ladies to, were filled with hordes of punters from the West? Don't think so. And by the way, Minsk is no 'little city'.
2. This answers your first question.
3. Again, the easier road is the choice for most. Boasting having done something that requires minimum effort is not uncommon here on ISG, that said, there's no accounting for taste, so don't bother trying to understand it.
4. Again, the majority seem to be satisfied with a lesser challenge. Don't knock it, that will always make life much more interesting for us in the minority.
5. If you were there for FOUR WEEKS, one can only wonder what made you think you HAD to choose ONLY ONE? Maybe a new lady EVERY afternoon, and then another new lady EVERY evening? Then you COULD have told us about sixty! .
Member #4274
10-18-11, 17:58
1. don't be baffled! the majority's priority is to take the easier more travelled road. and don't knock them, you should really be happy about that. would you have been happier if those places you took out the ladies to, were filled with hordes of punters from the west? don't think so. and by the way, minsk is no 'little city'.
2. this answers your first question.
3. again, the easier road is the choice for most. boasting having done something that requires minimum effort is not uncommon here on isg, that said, there's no accounting for taste, so don't bother trying to understand it.
4. again, the majority seem to be satisfied with a lesser challenge. don't knock it, that will always make life much more interesting for us in the minority.
5. if you were there for four weeks, one can only wonder what made you think you had to choose only one? maybe a new lady every afternoon, and then another new lady every evening? then you could have told us about sixty! .thank you for the intersting and insightful reply, suka. well said! i agree with most of what you wrote. however, i stick by my statement that minsk is a 'little city', much like budapest. while they are both have respectible sized populations, they feel almost like you are living in a large village then a city. after being in minsk for one month i met so many new people and recognized so many faces i joked to my belarussian friends that if i lived in minsk for one year i would know everyone in the entire city. it is not meant as an insult but rather a compliment. minsk and budapest are two of my favorite cities in europe and belarussians are very friendly people.
it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed. i was in kiev for one month in the summer of 2010 and went through a number of different women and had a good time. however, i wanted to try something different. as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina. what i mean is, when an eastern european woman sets their sights on you they are terribly jealous and protective. with minsk feeling so small i was concerned about running into her while in the presence of another woman. this happened to me in kiev and i almost lost both girls. ekaterina would have stopped seeing me on the spot and she was too hot and sexy to give up, in my opinion. we were at club dozari and as soon as she would go to the bathroom or bar for a drink women would come up and try speaking with me. ekaterina would get rather annoyed at this and not find it innocent and amusing (amusing because ekaterina was much hotter than these other women) , like i did. but i digress. i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me.
i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.
East Explorer
10-19-11, 08:54
it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed.i rather admire your determination to resist all the temptations that minsk offers! i think, however, it's not convenient to rely on one girl if you intend to go back time after time. many girls i had some years ago, suddenly had a boyfriend, married or left the country and i had no chance to meet them again.
as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina.i also admire your loyalty. however, in my experience, moral values are different in russia and belarus, and girls are much more tolerant than in western countries.
i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me.dozari is a top-level club and not a good place to pick up a girl for the night. like in madison or next, you will see lots of breath-taking girls. but even being a good looking guy, inviting them to your table and buying them cocktails is not enough to take them home afterwards. girls there are rather looking for a long-term relation with a wealthy local guy.
you made a good point regarding language barriers. in fact, the most stunning girls i had in belarus were from some villages and could hardly speak english. without speaking russian i would not have had any chance to meet them.
i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.i will be there as well around those dates. we may catch up for a beer.
Suka Shalava
10-19-11, 09:57
CB.
Your lady sounds like she must have been just what you were looking for. I don't know if we're all so fortunate to find the perfect combination of qualities.
I can certainly attest to the other side of the coin, which seems to be an ongoing examination of the good, the bad, the less than spectacular, and the insanely hot qualities of slavic womanhood. Could just be a victim of never really being able to figure out what I want, but I think there's a lot more to it. An extra week really brings a lot of new opportunities that would otherwise be missed, and that's something I am hoping will be possible in the not too distant future.
I simply can't imagine what I could accomplish if I had FOUR weeks! Though at the rate I push it, I don't know if I could even manage a budget that far out, now that I've gotten used to living pretty high and running pretty hard.
That leads me to ask you if you'll get a little more specific, as to how you actually spent a month of downtime in a place like Minsk, without going stir crazy. The one thing I remember about being there, was that the downtime was REALLY limited. If you're not there working, (and we're all curious as to what work you COULD be doing there if you were) , how in the world did you pass time for a month when Keyt was at lectures? More than even that, you couldn't have been in bed with her ALL the time, so what the hell else would you do? You already said your Russian is limited. That leaves a lot hours in between for something else.
As to what drives my search onward, its always about getting close but never really seeming to reach the level that could be reached. Walking around, there's such an interesting mix of beauty to keep the inspiration stoked. But opportunities usually fall short, so that it only seems to be a matter of dumb luck, to have everything fall in your lap. In the meantime, new ladies with various flaws will fade in and out of the picture, but with careful attention, as taught by geniuses like Skank and his ilk, there's more than enough passion to enflame. So though I may have failed to hook up with any certifiable superstars this time out, I did have more than my share of positive memorable experiences, and a nice bunch of new friends.
I can report that life is good in the heartland. With all its ups and downs, highs and lows, and in and outs.
As usual, my detractors will criticize me for leaving out the names of clubs and cafe's that I went to. Well, I didn't need to go to any clubs, so there's none to name. Cafe's? Well, I don't pay any attention to what they're called. We just go in one direction for a walk, and go in some place that looks good. What you guys don't understand, is that it doesn't even matter, its just a way to first get acquainted in person, to get comfortable that will lead to some romantic time alone at home later or for the next date.
Getting introduced to women by their appreciative girlfriends is still what its all about, and its always been a matter of motivation through incentives and simple signs of affection and adoration. Treat the ladies right, and they will take care of you.
Of MY three October Kate's and Katya's, the most interesting was Katya Sunday, who had a bad chocolate allergy reaction, and a mom in the hospital. With all that going against her, she was ready to 'cut loose', as they call it, and she nearly killed me working out all her frustrations on me. Between her and Nastya Red, who surprised me when she initiated anal sex like it was as normal as drinking tea, I had some truly pleasant surprises. Add that to another dozen or so new friends, and a dozen old friends, and I need a vacation from my vacation.
I wore myself down miserable at the end with Moscow traffic jams, jumping over airport fences, miserable flights and airline food, and after a few days being home, I still can't stop the diarrhea and headaches.
But it was all worth it, and I'll do it again, next chance I get.
Member #4274
10-19-11, 19:31
CB.
Your lady sounds like she must have been just what you were looking for. I don't know if we're all so fortunate to find the perfect combination of qualities.
I can certainly attest to the other side of the coin, which seems to be an ongoing examination of the good, the bad, the less than spectacular, and the insanely hot qualities of slavic womanhood. Could just be a victim of never really being able to figure out what I want, but I think there's a lot more to it. An extra week really brings a lot of new opportunities that would otherwise be missed, and that's something I am hoping will be possible in the not too distant future.
I simply can't imagine what I could accomplish if I had FOUR weeks! Though at the rate I push it, I don't know if I could even manage a budget that far out, now that I've gotten used to living pretty high and running pretty hard.
That leads me to ask you if you'll get a little more specific, as to how you actually spent a month of downtime in a place like Minsk, without going stir crazy. The one thing I remember about being there, was that the downtime was REALLY limited. If you're not there working, (and we're all curious as to what work you COULD be doing there if you were) , how in the world did you pass time for a month when Keyt was at lectures? More than even that, you couldn't have been in bed with her ALL the time, so what the hell else would you do? You already said your Russian is limited. That leaves a lot hours in between for something else.
As to what drives my search onward, its always about getting close but never really seeming to reach the level that could be reached. Walking around, there's such an interesting mix of beauty to keep the inspiration stoked. But opportunities usually fall short, so that it only seems to be a matter of dumb luck, to have everything fall in your lap. In the meantime, new ladies with various flaws will fade in and out of the picture, but with careful attention, as taught by geniuses like Skank and his ilk, there's more than enough passion to enflame. So though I may have failed to hook up with any certifiable superstars this time out, I did have more than my share of positive memorable experiences, and a nice bunch of new friends.
I can report that life is good in the heartland. With all its ups and downs, highs and lows, and in and outs.
As usual, my detractors will criticize me for leaving out the names of clubs and cafe's that I went to. Well, I didn't need to go to any clubs, so there's none to name. Cafe's? Well, I don't pay any attention to what they're called. We just go in one direction for a walk, and go in some place that looks good. What you guys don't understand, is that it doesn't even matter, its just a way to first get acquainted in person, to get comfortable that will lead to some romantic time alone at home later or for the next date.
Getting introduced to women by their appreciative girlfriends is still what its all about, and its always been a matter of motivation through incentives and simple signs of affection and adoration. Treat the ladies right, and they will take care of you.
Of MY three October Kate's and Katya's, the most interesting was Katya Sunday, who had a bad chocolate allergy reaction, and a mom in the hospital. With all that going against her, she was ready to 'cut loose', as they call it, and she nearly killed me working out all her frustrations on me. Between her and Nastya Red, who surprised me when she initiated anal sex like it was as normal as drinking tea, I had some truly pleasant surprises. Add that to another dozen or so new friends, and a dozen old friends, and I need a vacation from my vacation.
I wore myself down miserable at the end with Moscow traffic jams, jumping over airport fences, miserable flights and airline food, and after a few days being home, I still can't stop the diarrhea and headaches.
But it was all worth it, and I'll do it again, next chance I get.Yeah, I guess I got lucky, Suka. I know I went out on a lot of dates with girls I met on internet sites when I first got to Minsk. The first chick I met was arguably the hottest woman I have ever had dinner with (we went to Black Door Club) but despite how sexy and beautiful she was, she was not at all intelligent and seemed more interested in her mobile phone then me. What I found even more baffling was she was quite angry with me when I was not interested in a second date. I met two others who I really liked but no one blew me away like Ekaterina. She spoke really good English and was warm, beautiful and interesting. So, I took it from there.
You are right about Minsk. It is limited in what it offers but it isn't so bad. First of all, if you are going to spend a month in a place like Minsk the first thing you must have is a brain. I mean this respectively. I like to read quality books and to write (there was a short story contest in Canada that I was entering). Often in the afternoon when Keyt was at uni and my other Belarussian friends were busy I would go to a place like Boulevard Cafe for lunch (if you are ever in Minsk I recommend this place for lunch) , relax and read for a few hours. Also, as I am a professional and cannot be seen in casino's in my city, I would frequent Victoria Casino a couple times a week for a little roulette. Good place to meet women as I added two chicks who worked there onto my Facebook from that Casino. I call it preparing for my next trip. Not a lot of people speak English there but the one's that do were always interested in finding out why a Canadian guy is in Minsk. And if you know Eastern Europe, they only hire women with good looks. Actually, the night I went to Dozari night club alone I ran into a little hottie who works at Victoria Casino. Although she was with her boyfriend, she was trying to set me up with her friend who was single. Unfortunately her friend didn't speak English and it ended there.
However, I did have a few Belarussian friends and often we would spend the afternoon in cafes eating, drinking and sharing good conversation. They were always fascinated with my impressions of Minsk and if you are visiting Belarus with foriegn currency life is pretty inexpensive there.
Anyway, Ekaterina made herself available frequently enough that I never really never got bored in Minsk. As a bachelor I don't require someone's company 24/7 and it was nice to have time to myself to explore Minsk. I plan to abuse this gained knowledge in April!
Member #4274
10-19-11, 22:30
I rather admire your determination to resist all the temptations that Minsk offers! I think, however, it's not convenient to rely on one girl if you intend to go back time after time. Many girls I had some years ago, suddenly had a boyfriend, married or left the country and I had no chance to meet them again.
I also admire your loyalty. However, in my experience, moral values are different in Russia and Belarus, and girls are much more tolerant than in western countries.
Dozari is a top-level club and not a good place to pick up a girl for the night. Like in Madison or Next, you will see lots of breath-taking girls. But even being a good looking guy, inviting them to your table and buying them cocktails is not enough to take them home afterwards. Girls there are rather looking for a long-term relation with a wealthy local guy.
You made a good point regarding language barriers. In fact, the most stunning girls I had in Belarus were from some villages and could hardly speak English. Without speaking Russian I would not have had any chance to meet them.
I will be there as well around those dates. We may catch up for a beer.East Explorer, I agree with much of what you said. About relying on one girl, I most certainly agree and will make sure I am armed with a number of mobile numbers before I arrive in Minsk. On this next trip I am looking to branch out and chase more women. I have to be honest, as it was my first trip to Belarus and there is no Canadian or American Embassy in Belarus, I was a little unnerved about my trip. Now I feel much more confident and comfortable and will use this knowledge for my trip in April.
You are also right about Dozari but it is a nice club and I had a good time there. Madison was very close to the area I lived in and I will try it next time. To be honest, clubs are really not my first choice to meet women and I prefer internet sites, especially since I do not speak Russian.
I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to meet over a few drinks in Minsk. I will be sure to let you know the dates that I will be in Belarus this spring. I might actually take a short trip down to Kiev for a few days, as well. I really like that city, too.
Borderland
10-20-11, 12:02
Seems like this thread is starting to get some life in it! Enjoyed your report Canadian boy.
I know some are getting excited by the collapse of the Bel Rouble and it's implications for us visitors however surely prices have risen (on non essentials such as beer etc.) to counterbalance the better exchange rate and surely pro's charge in hard currency thus meaning that there is little gain to be had? I simply don't see that Belarus has now become twice as cheap merely because the currency has de-valued so significantly. Maybe Canadian Boy, Jojosun and East Explorer could share their opinions on what effect on prices and costs the devaluation has had?
Borderland
10-20-11, 13:40
I was just reading the 'WorldBanks' excellent report in the reports of distinction thread (check it out if you've not done so already ). He was mentioning how the Arabs have opened businesses there (I. E the Hotel and club) and how the local women are mostly looking for someone who visits often or has a business there. So. Why don't we start something over there? I'm not talking anything mega but something that maybe 4 or 5 of us could put say 5000 US each into and use it as an excuse to meet hundreds of women. What about a marriage agency? Low overheads, could run it from an apartment and we'd instantly have our pick of every woman on our books. I'm not saying we'd make much but what an adventure! I looked into opening a shop over there previously, had the premises sourced and everything but the import duties on the imported goods I wanted to sell made me drop the idea (splitting from my girlfriend over there also contributed to the plan failing) , however a dating agency would be a whole lot of fun. Let's face it Belarusians have no idea how to deal with foreigners properly so we could monopolize the market if we put our minds to it. Imagine interviewing the office girls we were going to hire. Casting couch :) It's probably a bit far fetched and I doubt there will be many takers but it would be the adventure of a life time. Come on fellow ISG's, let's put our heads together and come up with a masterplan! PM me your ideas.
Member #4274
10-20-11, 17:44
Seems like this thread is starting to get some life in it! Enjoyed your report Canadian boy.
I know some are getting excited by the collapse of the Bel Rouble and it's implications for us visitors however surely prices have risen (on non essentials such as beer etc.) to counterbalance the better exchange rate and surely pro's charge in hard currency thus meaning that there is little gain to be had? I simply don't see that Belarus has now become twice as cheap merely because the currency has de-valued so significantly. Maybe Canadian Boy, Jojosun and East Explorer could share their opinions on what effect on prices and costs the devaluation has had?The day I arrived in Minsk the rate at most currency exchange booths was 1 USD = 5200 BYR. The next morning the same booths had the exchange at 1 USD = 8400 BYR. It was one the strangest occurrences of my life as a traveler. I use to live in Budapest, Hungary as an English teacher and recall there being considerable flucuations of the Hungarian Forint, but nothing like this. At that time I had only just arrived in Minsk and had not the knowledge of prices of products in shops and food and drink at cafes like I do now. I did notice that some restaurants (like Boulevard Cafe and TGI FRIDAYS) had stickers placed over the origional prices which to me meant they were adjusting to the currency crisis. However, at a high end place like Grand Cafe it seemed like the prices were not adjusted at all. However, that said, Belarus is a very cheap country to visit. Taxi's, food in cafes and stores, alcohol and clothes are considerably cheaper than in the west and maybe a little less than in Kiev. Of course specialty items like electronics are more expensive that the west. For example, an iphone 4G here in Canada cost 660 USD would cost 1000 USD in Minsk.
Regardless, I am not sure what the currency rates are now in Minsk as I have been back in Canada for a week, but the morning before I was to catch my flight out of Belarus I went for a stroll on Nemiga Street and saw 1 USD = 8000 BYR. I saw the same on booths on Lenin Street, too. That was up from previous weeks.
As for women, I do know that the one's I spoke with off of the internet who were offering straight up sex for money demanded payment in USD or Euros. However, as I did not follow through with any of them I don't know how ardent they were about this. I am sure they would accept BYR if that is all one had. Once you are in Minsk it is not easy to get foreign currency. So bring a lot with you. As well, the ATM's are the worst in Europe. You can only get BYR (they offer USD but the ATM are always out) from them and I was unable to withdraw more than 250 USD at a time and sometimes the maximum was 150 USD worth of BYR, like at ATM's in shopping Malls. That is very different from Kiev where I could withdraw 1000 USD worth of Hryvnia at a time. So I had to use my Mastercard when in clothing shops.
As for business opportunities that you mentioned, it is an intruiging idea but I have some serious reservations about opening a business in a country that is not only going through a ridiculous financial crisis but one that politically is at great odds with Canada and the USA. I mean, there isn't even a Canadian or American embassy in Belarus at the moment. I think I would be more inclined to open a business in Budapest or Kiev.
Not planing to be opposition but.
To open marriage agency you must:
- be a citizen of Belarus which is the easy way.
- be a foreigner citizen with approved stay in the country which is the hard way.
- hard dealings with Ministry of social affairs before you got your licence.
- foreiginers should pay money for membership, message delivery, all other stuff going in marriage agency. According to local laws that money is considered income from abroad and is heavily taxed.
Search the net and see how many marriage agencies are located in Belarus.
Check database of some big agencies on the net and compare the number of women from Ukraine (thousands of them) and Belarus (tens of them).
How many of this agencies offer "tours" in Belarus and how many offer "tours" in Ukraine.
Most of Belarus women join agencies in Ukraine because in the last years in Belarus 13 agencies dealing with females (model agencies and marriage agencies) have been closed under charges of "paravan for prostitution".
By the way with devalvation girls charge now in hard currency.
Borderland
10-20-11, 21:07
Not planing to be opposition but.
To open marriage agency you must:
- be a citizen of Belarus which is the easy way.
- be a foreigner citizen with approved stay in the country which is the hard way.
- hard dealings with Ministry of social affairs before you got your licence.
- foreiginers should pay money for membership, message delivery, all other stuff going in marriage agency. According to local laws that money is considered income from abroad and is heavily taxed.
Search the net and see how many marriage agencies are located in Belarus.
Check database of some big agencies on the net and compare the number of women from Ukraine (thousands of them) and Belarus (tens of them).
How many of this agencies offer "tours" in Belarus and how many offer "tours" in Ukraine.
Most of Belarus women join agencies in Ukraine because in the last years in Belarus 13 agencies dealing with females (model agencies and marriage agencies) have been closed under charges of "paravan for prostitution".
By the way with devalvation girls charge now in hard currency.Good info there Kurenda.
I know that the Lukashenko government has done a lot of work (much of it without credit) to implement measures which make trafficking of women and prostitution in Belarus harder and I presume the shutting down of the agencies was in some way related to that policy. I've read a lot of articles in the Belarus press warning of the dangers of being offered 'work' abroad etc. Therefore I have no problem with some of these model agencies or marriage agencies being shut down if they were suspected of being implicit in any of that. Belarus's women due to the economic situation in Belarus are more vulnerable to scams. Also (this might sound odd from someone who mongers on occasion) I don't want the place to go the way of Kiev or Moscow where escort agencies proliferate. I do have strong misgivings with the industry and It would be good if the women of Belarus were not corrupted in the same ways as many women of their eastern and southern neighbours have been. Let's keep one small piece of Europe where the women aren't prostituting themselves to foreigners. In Russia I can go to any medium sized or small town and find a pro, guaranteed, never failed. Try that in Belarus! Go to Hoiniki and find a pro, I challenge someone. That is something that should be respected, the fact despite earning 200 US a month and not being able to afford things we take for granted like meat, they keep their morals and don't just think 'f*k it, I'll go and stand on the Minsk highway waiting for a passing trucker". So if the government's policy of shutting agencies down means I can't open one then so be it.
So. Back to the drawing board.
That is something that should be respected, the fact despite earning 200 US a month and not being able to afford things we take for granted like meat, they keep their morals and don't just think 'f*k it, I'll go and stand on the Minsk highway waiting for a passing trucker".Seconded. It is tough, no doubt about it, and these women don't live well, but they do make ends meet and they do so while maintaining their morals and self-respect.
thank you for the intersting and insightful reply, suka. well said! i agree with most of what you wrote. however, i stick by my statement that minsk is a 'little city', much like budapest. while they are both have respectible sized populations, they feel almost like you are living in a large village then a city. after being in minsk for one month i met so many new people and recognized so many faces i joked to my belarussian friends that if i lived in minsk for one year i would know everyone in the entire city. it is not meant as an insult but rather a compliment. minsk and budapest are two of my favorite cities in europe and belarussians are very friendly people.
it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed. i was in kiev for one month in the summer of 2010 and went through a number of different women and had a good time. however, i wanted to try something different. as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina. what i mean is, when an eastern european woman sets their sights on you they are terribly jealous and protective. with minsk feeling so small i was concerned about running into her while in the presence of another woman. this happened to me in kiev and i almost lost both girls. ekaterina would have stopped seeing me on the spot and she was too hot and sexy to give up, in my opinion. we were at club dozari and as soon as she would go to the bathroom or bar for a drink women would come up and try speaking with me. ekaterina would get rather annoyed at this and not find it innocent and amusing (amusing because ekaterina was much hotter than these other women) , like i did. but i digress. i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me.
i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.even a "big" fsu city (moscow, piter and kiev being different playgrounds) can become very small when you start serial dating. most often there is only 2/3 hyp clubs and 4/5 "in" cafes where girls go. it is actually embarrassing to go in a place with your date of the day natasha, and spot at one table, with her friends, your yesterday's conquest tatiana, and at the other corner lena, that you fucked two days ago and promessed to call back soon. (smilie)
Borderland
10-21-11, 17:55
Even a "big" FSU city (Moscow, Piter and Kiev being different playgrounds) can become VERY small when you start serial dating. Most often there is only 2/3 hyp clubs and 4/5 "in" cafes where girls go. It is actually embarrassing to go in a place with your date of the day Natasha, and spot at one table, with her friends, your yesterday's conquest Tatiana, and at the other corner Lena, that you fucked two days ago and promessed to call back soon. (smilie)That made me laugh, been in those situations a few times. It can make dates quite stressful what with you constantly thinking "damn, I hope Masha doesn't come in tonight" or if she does walk in with friends you've got to charm your new girl whilst knowing that Masha and her friends and watching you're every move and talking about you. Of course the answer would be to head to some small out of the way cafes in the suburbs but what Russian girl wants to get herself dressed up only to be told you're going to take her to a stolovaya no. 17 in the micro regions? Not many.
That's something I've noticed about FSU women: it's not the quality of the meal you take them for but the setting it's in. A few times I've discovered a great little gem of a restaurant in the suburbs, you know the type, crap outdated decor but cheap prices and awesome food. And I've thought it would be great to take a date to. But when you get there the Mashas and the Dashas are turning their nose up before they have sat down, whining about why I have taken them here instead of the new super dooper cafe in the centre (read: expensive and a place to be seen in but with average over priced food ). Snobs. I use this as my test. If the dev is cool with the cheapo place and just goes with it then I consider adding them to my 'cool devs to hang out with sometimes' list and I'll call them up sometimes to invite them out to do something like bowling or whatever. However If they whine I secretly despise their pretensions inside and go for broke on that evening knowing that I'll never bother calling them again. Snobbery and ungratefulness is a nasty quality and I don't have women like that in my life here in my home country so why would I put up with it in the FSU even if the girl is a hot young Russian dev? Too many foreign men put these devs up on a pedestal because of their undeniable beauty, and let them take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of them. A Russian man would NEVER EVER take that shit off of a woman over there. And that is why most Russian women will end up with a Russian man, because they know where they stand with them. They might date a foreigner, even marry him, but most will end up with a Russian in the long run despite them constantly saying that Russian men are crap.
Glad to see all the activity here. Great info on the marriage agencies Kurenda, always interesting to hear how those things are clamped down on in Belarus.
I've been to Minsk twice and didn't see any prostitution. I wasn't looking for it either but in Russia / Ukraine it's often in your face (late night phone calls at hotels, expat bars have working girls).
I'm also interested how the recent devaluation might be affecting prices (of goods and entertainment, not pros). I was in Minsk last in 2008 but it struck me as more expensive than Kiev. Any thoughts on this? I will be in the FSU in January and was planning on doing New Year's in Kiev, but I might change plans to be in Minsk instead if the devaluation really has made things cheaper. Sadly I'm on a tight budget, and I'm not looking for pros, but a good time out in clubs and meeting up with freebies found online.
That said, I really do love the smaller towns. I'd consider visiting Gomel or Vitebsk. One thing I hate about Belarus though is the hotels all charge triple the base rate for foreigners. Ukraine is much easier with regards to all these issues; I stayed in an okay hotel in March of this year (2011) in a small city in Ukraine for $12 a night.
Borderland
10-22-11, 08:37
That said, I really do love the smaller towns. I'd consider visiting Gomel or Vitebsk. One thing I hate about Belarus though is the hotels all charge triple the base rate for foreigners. Ukraine is much easier with regards to all these issues; I stayed in an okay hotel in March of this year (2011) in a small city in Ukraine for $12 a night.Yes the three tier pricing in hotels is a total [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) take. It's one thing to let locals stay cheaply, I can kind of go with that since they earn sod all, but having CIS citizens pay a fraction of what we pay too let's us know where we stand in the eyes of the government. Museums have the same three tier pricing. Gomel and Vitebsk are cool towns to spend a few days in but the hotels are not cheap.
Member #4274
10-22-11, 10:21
Glad to see all the activity here. Great info on the marriage agencies Kurenda, always interesting to hear how those things are clamped down on in Belarus.
I've been to Minsk twice and didn't see any prostitution. I wasn't looking for it either but in Russia / Ukraine it's often in your face (late night phone calls at hotels, expat bars have working girls).
I'm also interested how the recent devaluation might be affecting prices (of goods and entertainment, not pros). I was in Minsk last in 2008 but it struck me as more expensive than Kiev. Any thoughts on this? I will be in the FSU in January and was planning on doing New Year's in Kiev, but I might change plans to be in Minsk instead if the devaluation really has made things cheaper. Sadly I'm on a tight budget, and I'm not looking for pros, but a good time out in clubs and meeting up with freebies found online.
That said, I really do love the smaller towns. I'd consider visiting Gomel or Vitebsk. One thing I hate about Belarus though is the hotels all charge triple the base rate for foreigners. Ukraine is much easier with regards to all these issues; I stayed in an okay hotel in March of this year (2011) in a small city in Ukraine for $12 a night.Latexian,
I was in Kiev last summer and in Minsk for one month recently and now I think the prices are the same between the cities. I know taxi's are very cheap in Minsk and there are many restaurants that are the same price as in Kiev (although the quality of food in Minsk restaurants is much higher, in my opinion).
I wasn't looking for prostitutes in Minsk but I saw them often. I saw a few of them walking around the front of the new circus building near Hotel Europe and every night there is a congregation of prostitutes after 22:00 on Pobediteley Ave. Directly acrossed from the Sports Palace and in front of Yubileinaya Hotel. You can't miss them. Also, I frequented the casino at Hotel Victoria on Pobediteley and I saw what I was sure to be prostitutes hanging around the cafe near the front desk. It makes sense as it is an international. 4-star hotel. However, as I was not interested in these girls I have no idea what they charge. So, they are out there. However, you are right. It is not as in your face as in Ukraine.
Yes the three tier pricing in hotels is a total [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) take. It's one thing to let locals stay cheaply, I can kind of go with that since they earn sod all, but having CIS citizens pay a fraction of what we pay too let's us know where we stand in the eyes of the government. Museums have the same three tier pricing. Gomel and Vitebsk are cool towns to spend a few days in but the hotels are not cheap.Yes that is what I was afraid of. I stayed in Mogilev for a few days once and the hotel rate was something like $60 / night, which considering how utterly shite the hotel was I found mind boggling.
For the budget traveler Ukraine is much better in comparison, hotels (outside of Kiev) can be had for very cheap, and transportation is insanely cheap (you can cross the country for $10 on trains).
Borderland
10-22-11, 18:29
A Belarus trip overall is usually more expensive then Ukraine due to:
No budget airlines serving Minsk.
The cost of the visa.
Hotels being vastly overpriced.
However transport costs and restaurants are similar in price. Pro action can be very cheap in Minsk so if you intended to do a lot of girls then it would be worth considering the city. However IMHO Minsk is just not as much fun as Kiev. I like Minsk, but when I'm out in Kiev I usually meet more interesting people and return home with a bigger smile on my face, women there are more forward too unlike Minsk women. I'm more into freebie action and have had more success in Kiev then Minsk although I think if you spent a month or more in Minsk you would have great success if you know how to talk to women. Belarus IMHO is not a place to fly solely half way around the world for. Better go to Kiev where things are easier, but if you're already in Europe and have been to Kiev then Minsk is worth a look.
It is not as in your face as in Ukraine.I guess Latexian refered more about 'semi pros" (whatever that means) or "occasionals" chicks.
that made me laugh, been in those situations a few times. it can make dates quite stressful what with you constantly thinking "damn, i hope masha doesn't come in tonight" or if she does walk in with friends you've got to charm your new girl whilst knowing that masha and her friends and watching you're every move and talking about you.what can leads to unwanted embarrassing situations is to date girls from the same target group, available at the same time slots, who have the same interests and who frequent the same places. my usual strategy is to try to choose girls from different social / peer groups. last time i was in tashkent (which is very much a fishbowl, and where serial dating can be a problem) , i managed to juggle with four regular gfs (plus occasional new girls) , without any problems. it was:
- dasha. 18 yo student. her parents wanted her to be home before 8pm on weekdays. she was happy with a cocktail or two in a cheap place from 5pm and then sex in my apartment, and always leaved before 7. 30pm. nice.
- lena. 27 yo single mom. available only from 10 pm till about midnight, when her daughter slept and was watched by the babushka. she used to come directly in my place for sex, no time nor wish for having a drink outside. which was a great deal.
- ksenia. 26 yo glam party girl. i used to rejoin her from about 1am (pretexting a "meeting with friends" before) in a hyp club or cafι to party a bit and then to fuck her. she rarely slept in my place as she had to wake up early and prepare for her job (she owned a trendy hairdressing salon).
- mila. 22 yo stripper. she would get off of work each day at 5 or 6am, smsed to see if i was available, and if i was, would go to my apartment, drink one beer or two, talk a bit, have sex, sleep till noon, and then leave. no questions asked and no materialistic expectations, save sometimes a light lunch. talk about a nice situation.
i rarely did them all within the 5pm / 6am time slot, but it happened a few times though, thanks to cialis. but that was admittedly exhausting days! (smilie)
anyhow this is a strategy i try to apply pretty much everywhere. various types of girls with different schedules and availabilities. makes life easier.
No budget airlines serving Minsk.Lufthansa has great deals within Europe by the way (book before 31/12/2011, travel between Oct 2011 and Dec 2012) , including 170 two-ways tickets to Minsk. This is from Paris, but I guess it's the same fares from any European capital.
Lufthansa has great deals within Europe by the way (book before 31/12/2011, travel between Oct 2011 and Dec 2012) , including 170 two-ways tickets to Minsk. This is from Paris, but I guess it's the same fares from any European capital.Wow! Did something change in terms of tickets to Minsk or regulations or something? There is also Air Baltic via Riga which is cheap and flies to Minsk, but when I last went in summer 2008 I remember intra-Europe flights to Minsk were insane, like $800 are / t to Frankfurt.
Member #4274
10-27-11, 07:58
what can leads to unwanted embarrassing situations is to date girls from the same target group, available at the same time slots, who have the same interests and who frequent the same places. my usual strategy is to try to choose girls from different social / peer groups. last time i was in tashkent (which is very much a fishbowl, and where serial dating can be a problem) , i managed to juggle with four regular gfs (plus occasional new girls) , without any problems. it was:
- dasha. 18 yo student. her parents wanted her to be home before 8pm on weekdays. she was happy with a cocktail or two in a cheap place from 5pm and then sex in my apartment, and always leaved before 7. 30pm. nice.
- lena. 27 yo single mom. available only from 10 pm till about midnight, when her daughter slept and was watched by the babushka. she used to come directly in my place for sex, no time nor wish for having a drink outside. which was a great deal.
- ksenia. 26 yo glam party girl. i used to rejoin her from about 1am (pretexting a "meeting with friends" before) in a hyp club or cafι to party a bit and then to fuck her. she rarely slept in my place as she had to wake up early and prepare for her job (she owned a trendy hairdressing salon).
- mila. 22 yo stripper. she would get off of work each day at 5 or 6am, smsed to see if i was available, and if i was, would go to my apartment, drink one beer or two, talk a bit, have sex, sleep till noon, and then leave. no questions asked and no materialistic expectations, save sometimes a light lunch. talk about a nice situation.
i rarely did them all within the 5pm / 6am time slot, but it happened a few times though, thanks to cialis. but that was admittedly exhausting days! (smilie)
anyhow this is a strategy i try to apply pretty much everywhere. various types of girls with different schedules and availabilities. makes life easier.yes, it would be easier if they were just coming over to my flat for a good fuck. unfortunately, as it was my first experience in minsk and i do not speak russian, life was a bit more of a challenge for me. i recall walking along svisloch river (or whatever it is) with a very sexy woman i met off travelgirls named alexandra when i thought for sure i saw ekaterina (see my previous posts on who this is) was coming in the opposite direction towards us. i was quite relieved when i finally discovered it was not her and told myself i couldn't live like this. so, i stopped going around in public with other chicks.
i met one 19-year old studentka off of another site and after a few dinner dates and one night at dozari she agreed to come to my flat for a few hours once a week. she was a sweet, sexy studentka but she insisted on singing for me all the time (she fancied herself a singer and a model) and in truth i didn't think she had much of a voice. but her situation was the same as many there: her parents gave her enough money for school and food but nothing else. she tried to convince me to buy her an iphone 4g but i refused and when i did she told me she would never sleep with me again. however, that last for four days. i would tell her, politely, that i could find another hottie her age no problem in minsk. she would buy it and soon be sending me lovely sms's. i would promise to take her to mango on nemiga after sex and it was a great motivator for her. i did take her, of course, and made sure she had plenty of spending money. really, she was a handful as she thought she was the next super model from belarus but in truth she was far from it. a real cutie with a nice body but no super model. i am not sure if i will see her again in april when i return to minsk. now i forget why i was telling you this.
Wow! Did something change in terms of tickets to Minsk or regulations or something? There is also Air Baltic via Riga which is cheap and flies to Minsk, but when I last went in summer 2008 I remember intra-Europe flights to Minsk were insane, like $800 are / t to Frankfurt.Air Baltic is a low-cost. Fares are admittedly attractive, but beside all the inconveniences attached to low-cost flights, the problem is that you usually have to stay overnight in Riga. Same day connections are rare. I guess this is intentional, to boost Lettonia's tourism industry.
Anyway Lufthansa has the greatest deals currently. I paid 140 for a Paris / Kiev round-trip in September. Unbeatable.
Now I forget why I was telling you this.No problems. I understand and share your enthousiasm for Slavic women. (smilie)
Once you go Slavic you never come back.
Borderland
10-27-11, 11:04
Wow! Did something change in terms of tickets to Minsk or regulations or something? There is also Air Baltic via Riga which is cheap and flies to Minsk, but when I last went in summer 2008 I remember intra-Europe flights to Minsk were insane, like $800 are / t to Frankfurt.Yes it's better now. You can get Heathrow-Minsk flights for £160 if you don't mind going indirect. The connection times are usually under 90 minutes too. Alternatively fly to Vilnius / Kaunus on Ryanair for £40 return and take the train from there. Check out Skyscanner. Com.
Dated a Belarus girl yesterday (successfully, the rest belongs to Hustler forum) , thanks to mamba. She is vacationing in Paris this week.
She told me that the was 11, 800 BYR now (official rate). Time to go Belarus I guess.
She told me that the was 11, 800 BYR now (official rate). Time to go Belarus I guess.Checked on xe dot com. She was right. Some 11 900 BYR to the today. Holy shit. It has risen from 4000 BYR six months ago.
Member #4274
11-03-11, 20:03
Checked on xe dot com. She was right. Some 11 900 BYR to the today. Holy shit. It has risen from 4000 BYR six months ago.I believe it! When I was in Minsk in Sept-Oct 1 USD = 8400 BYR in most places for a large part of my trip. I hope it stays that way until spring when I return to FSU as Minsk is high on my list.
I believe it! When I was in Minsk in Sept-Oct 1 USD = 8400 BYR in most places for a large part of my trip. I hope it stays that way until spring when I return to FSU as Minsk is high on my list.Just for the info. Why do you ponder about hitting another place than Minsk for your next trip (beside the "pionner monger" spirit that animates some of us and that I share) if you enjoyed tremendously the destination, if the local currency is ridiculously low, and if you have already good contacts there? No controversy here, just inquirement.
Borderland
11-06-11, 16:21
Photos from the 'Miss Belarus 2011' pageant.
http://englishrussia.com/2011/09/20/the-most-beautiful-in-minsk/
Member #4274
11-06-11, 21:32
Just for the info. Why do you ponder about hitting another place than Minsk for your next trip (beside the "pionner monger" spirit that animates some of us and that I share) if you enjoyed tremendously the destination, if the local currency is ridiculously low, and if you have already good contacts there? No controversy here, just inquirement.That's a fair question. I was in Kyiv in summer 2010 and I made a lot of great contacts and could have easily returned this past fall and enjoyed them but instead I went to an unknown in Minsk, Belarus. Why? Adventure, challenge. I like the idea of going somewhere unknown and not being sure about how my time there will turn out and who I might meet. It is a new experience. For me, traveling to the FSU is more than just mongering but learning about a new city.
My only problem with going to Minsk (other than having to get a visa) is how shy and reserved women are there. Unlike in Ukraine, Belarussian women take a lot more time and effort to get into the sack. However, once you earn the trust of a Belarussian woman she is much more of a friend and loyal to you than a Ukrainian woman, in my experience, anyway. When I spoke to my contacts in Kyiv last summer before I had decided firmly where I was going in September, they were not eager to go out of their way to assist me in any way. Two women I met in Minsk, however, are both offering to help me find a nice flat at a much better rate than what I paid in September. All of this without my asking.
Really, Minsk is the most appealing option to me at the moment and it will be difficult for another city to supplant it. However, I recall flying back to Canada from Kyiv in 2010 and thinking the same thing about the Ukrainian capital and I have yet to return there.
RomeoMailUs
11-15-11, 04:35
Fellow members,
I travelling to Minsk in first week of December. Can someone please provide latest on where to pick up girls? Be it clubs or agencies?
Thanks
Member #4274
11-15-11, 10:29
Fellow members,
I travelling to Minsk in first week of December. Can someone please provide latest on where to pick up girls? Be it clubs or agencies?
ThanksMy advice, having spent a month in Minsk from mid-September to mid-October, is to do what I had to do. That is, read through this forum. If you speak Russian than clubs are perfect. If not then nothing will be easy. Not a lot of people speak english in Minsk. Trust me on that one.
My advice, having spent a month in Minsk from mid-September to mid-October, is to do what I had to do. That is, read through this forum. If you speak Russian than clubs are perfect. If not then nothing will be easy. Not a lot of people speak english in Minsk. Trust me on that one.Hi.
Planning to be Minsk in December, this is going to be my 5. Th time.
&305; like minsk and spending time there.
But never used internet to meet people before, which tool is the best to chat in the internet with the belarusian girls?
Thanks
Member #4274
12-03-11, 11:37
Hi.
Planning to be Minsk in December, this is going to be my 5. Th time.
&305; like minsk and spending time there.
But never used internet to meet people before, which tool is the best to chat in the internet with the belarusian girls?
ThanksI'm sorry, I am not sure I understand what you mean by 'tool'? Are you talking about websites? If so, well, there are not many that have Belarussian girls who speak English. There is a better chance of finding a happy ending in a Dostoyevsky novel than an english speaking girl on mamba. Other websites are hit and miss. In Minsk I met a few women who spoke English in casinos and cafes but Belarussian girls are so reserved it was difficult to gauge them.
Member #4274
12-06-11, 10:13
Photos from the 'Miss Belarus 2011' pageant.
http://englishrussia.com/2011/09/20/the-most-beautiful-in-minsk/Some nice looking girls there! I am pleased to say the young lady I was sponsoring in Minsk was just as good looking as 75-percent of those ladies and even better looking than some. I was lucky, I guess.
Hi.
Planning to be Minsk in December, this is going to be my 5. Th time.
&305; like minsk and spending time there.
But never used internet to meet people before, which tool is the best to chat in the internet with the belarusian girls?
ThanksTry these,
Facebook. Com is first option to find a girl knowing english.
Vkontakte. Ru 2nd option.
Rambler. Ru or mamba. Ru it is very difficult, but good selection.
Hakan Demir
12-20-11, 10:09
Is Dankoff strip club still open? I liked that club when I was in Minsk especially Jacuzz; rooms.
CourtoisFr
12-24-11, 13:03
Hi all,
I have been to Belarus last summer.
First, I have to say Belarusian girls are very cute and you might find the kind of physical you like.
They are independent, with a strong character, educated and most of them very well educated.
I fall in love with this country (till now I only know Minsk) , even if it is not so simple to get a visa. On the other way, because of this visa there is less crowd and I like it like that.
You can find easily a girl friend experience and, excepted if you go in a club like "Next", you won't have to pay because it is a true girl friend you will have. Me I like to invite them at restaurant, or any place, and they use to enjoy it.
Some people from this forum seems to go there quite often.
Do you think it is possible to have a job opportunity there for a West European citizen?
With a low Belarusian Ruble, you can get Belarusian products at a low price. Is there anybody who is doing export / import?
Thanks to share your experience with that country. You can send me a private message if you prefer to stay discreet.
Cheers!
Member #4274
12-29-11, 10:10
I was speaking with a good friend of mine living in Minsk and she told me the current exchange rate is 1 USD = 8400 while 1 Euro = 10950 BYR. So, still a very favourable rate for westerner's carrying foreign cash into Belarus. I also spent a day or two on a few different websites speaking with women in Belarus. A lot are searching for a sponsor, of course, as the economy there continues to struggle and while the rates tend to vary they are still quite reasonable if not low. One woman I spoke with inparticular is actually a 27-year old doctor. She is a lovely burnette with a tall, lean figure and soft blue eyes. She told me she isn't satisfied with her income and wants to supplement it. She is very promising.
My plan is to return to Minsk sometime in April for another 30 day trip. Unlike my first trip where I was satisfied with supporting one beautiful studentka, I will be playing the field and trying different websites, cafes, clubs and whatnot to meet more women and report on my success and failures.
Happy New Year everyone!
Felix Nordic
01-06-12, 16:23
Todays news about Belarus is that a new law has been passed and being effective today 6th of January. It means a lot of new restrictions regarding internet.
In short it means that foreign web pages will be banned for free internet surfing. Only. By addresses will be free unless you submit to government supervison (spying). Businesses can only be done via. By web pages. That makes Ebay and Amazon purchases and sales impossible and it might affect facebook and Gmail.
Everybody has to register and show a passport to get access to foreign web pages (not a new thing since it has been like that for at least a year) but now it is even stricter. Internet cafes must report to the government which users have accessed foreign pages. It is not clear if you need a normal passport or a government approved passport to get access to foreign internet sites.
According to the lovely nice and freedom loving Belarus government it is in order to stop access to extremist sites and pornographic sites (gee thats bad for the poeple with porno). Lukasjenka aka "Batka" tries to do something nice for the people. The real reason is of course to stop the opposition from using internet and to clip their wings.
It is not clear how this will affect us foreign mongers. For instance to access your e-mail or your internet bank. Regarding myself I used to do some business on Ebay when having a spare time in Belarus when the devushkis has gone home. As it seems Ebay will be blocked. And probably paypal as well and access to internet banks.
It is hard to say how this will affect us. But one thing is clear. It will be harder. It might not be too severe for us foreigners if it is enforced in a mild way. Or perhaps not all. If its enforced in a strict way it will make a lot of problems. Most of the restrictions is to stop internal extremists (ohhh. Those evil people who likes freedom and democracy) and journalists and not so much for us hmm "sexomaniacs", I mean tourists.
I was in Minsk last time in November and it was as usual. Foreign currencies in the banks and no more black exchange though. USD was close to 9000 but is now at 8400. As mentioned many girls are open for sponsoring now. Nothing bad that doesn't bring along anything good. However it seems that this fact has been observed and I see a tendency that prices has got slighly higher for "top girls" used to the game. Many amateurs or first time semi-pros are still more open. There is a new club that is very popular and has to be checked out. The new club is called Dozari and is in the centre quite near Max Show. It should be at Nezavisymosty Ave. Its close to where I stay in Minsk and I will go there to see what kind of club it is. It seems quite upscale though, and is many girls new favourite club in Minsk. That goes for at least the jet set girls or those who tries to be part of that.
I am off to Minsk in 2 weeks time and will of course give feedback about this new restrictions for the internet.
Cheers and Happy New hunting year! :)
/Felix
"OMG. I can't believe Mongers not rushing to Minsk. When today at Bloomberg. Com / currencies, its nearly 8000 Ruble to the US$."
Don't you guys know that pimps follow the raise and fall of currencies?
That said, paying in USD or Euro shouldn't help a bit.
It is 20, 40USD today, it will be the same tomorrow and this despite the falls of local currency.
Reading the last 4 page on your thread.
Besides, and please no offense, but you are most talking about investment, economics, politics than girls.
I am not reading any street name, girls prices.
Member #4274
01-06-12, 21:09
Todays news about Belarus is that a new law has been passed and being effective today 6th of January. It means a lot of new restrictions regarding internet.
In short it means that foreign web pages will be banned for free internet surfing. Only. By addresses will be free unless you submit to government supervison (spying). Businesses can only be done via. By web pages. That makes Ebay and Amazon purchases and sales impossible and it might affect facebook and Gmail.
Everybody has to register and show a passport to get access to foreign web pages (not a new thing since it has been like that for at least a year) but now it is even stricter. Internet cafes must report to the government which users have accessed foreign pages. It is not clear if you need a normal passport or a government approved passport to get access to foreign internet sites.
According to the lovely nice and freedom loving Belarus government it is in order to stop access to extremist sites and pornographic sites (gee thats bad for the poeple with porno). Lukasjenka aka "Batka" tries to do something nice for the people. The real reason is of course to stop the opposition from using internet and to clip their wings.
It is not clear how this will affect us foreign mongers. For instance to access your e-mail or your internet bank. Regarding myself I used to do some business on Ebay when having a spare time in Belarus when the devushkis has gone home. As it seems Ebay will be blocked. And probably paypal as well and access to internet banks.
It is hard to say how this will affect us. But one thing is clear. It will be harder. It might not be too severe for us foreigners if it is enforced in a mild way. Or perhaps not all. If its enforced in a strict way it will make a lot of problems. Most of the restrictions is to stop internal extremists (ohhh. Those evil people who likes freedom and democracy) and journalists and not so much for us hmm "sexomaniacs", I mean tourists.
I was in Minsk last time in November and it was as usual. Foreign currencies in the banks and no more black exchange though. USD was close to 9000 but is now at 8400. As mentioned many girls are open for sponsoring now. Nothing bad that doesn't bring along anything good. However it seems that this fact has been observed and I see a tendency that prices has got slighly higher for "top girls" used to the game. Many amateurs or first time semi-pros are still more open. There is a new club that is very popular and has to be checked out. The new club is called Dozari and is in the centre quite near Max Show. It should be at Nezavisymosty Ave. Its close to where I stay in Minsk and I will go there to see what kind of club it is. It seems quite upscale though, and is many girls new favourite club in Minsk. That goes for at least the jet set girls or those who tries to be part of that.
I am off to Minsk in 2 weeks time and will of course give feedback about this new restrictions for the internet.
Cheers and Happy New hunting year! .
/FelixI was at Dozari in Minsk last fall on two differnet occassions. The first time I went was with two beautiful studentka's and we had a great time together there. The second I went by myself. First of all, if you do not speak Russian it is very difficult to meet women at Dozari. Secondly, it is a nice, high end club but I don't think it is the best one in Minsk for meeting women. In fact, I am sure of this. It is better to bring a woman who cannot afford to go to such a club and show her a good time. However, that is just my impression. If you speak Russian than you will probably have success. Many girls I have spoken to in Minsk and have added me to their vkontakte have pictures of themselves at Dozari. By the way, the sexiest girls at Dozari and the one's working behind the bar on the dance floor.
I am looking at going to Belarus in April, anyone know of a good hotel in the Minsk area, close to the local scene so I can get a tourist voucher / letter? Also has anyone got their visa at the airport? I travel a lot and usually don't have the time to send off my passport when I am in the states to get visas.
Felix Nordic
01-07-12, 00:04
"OMG. I can't believe Mongers not rushing to Minsk. When today at Bloomberg. Com / currencies, its nearly 8000 Ruble to the US$."
Don't you guys know that pimps follow the raise and fall of currencies?
That said, paying in USD or Euro shouldn't help a bit.
It is 20, 40USD today, it will be the same tomorrow and this despite the falls of local currency.
Reading the last 4 page on your thread.
Besides, and please no offense, but you are most talking about investment, economics, politics than girls.
I am not reading any street name, girls prices.I can partly understand your oipinions but yet they are partly totally wrong or a leechers way to get info without adding anything yourself (which is ok but then you first should have read whats been posted on this forum. Have you?). This is not an insult but I suggest you re-read whats been posted in this forum and secondly read and understand this reply to you (and others, as I do get some questions in PM's)
I think its been said before, and I rewrite it, that Belarus is a country for the pioneer or a scout. It is not Bangkok or Germanys FKK scene. About these two last subjects and other well know tourist sex destinations tons have been written and a sort of a price according to quality has been established. It is for instance widely known that the standard 30 min session in a German FKK club costs 50 Euro. That does not go for Belarus as it is not on the world map for sex tourism. (ok, street girls have fixed prices as they are maffia operated. I do not use them as it is not my interest as I can get 10 times better quailty in a normal girl if I invest some time and effort. Street girls are along Nezavisymosty Ave in the night and I think prices are USD 50 for an hour, or at least it used to be that. There might be WG's in other streets as well but I don't know (used to be on Masherowska as well and it has been posted). Ask a cap driver for latest info on street girls or learn Russian and go to a Belarus / Minsk forum and learn or get to know a someone in Minsk who can give you insiders info. Most street girls are ugly but some beauties can be found, and do not be sure that they go with a foreigner like that, as many girls pros or not, are scared of foreigners. Perhaps they are more desperate today?) In fact I think that most mongers go to Belarus for free amateur girls or semi pros. Very few goes to Belarus for prostitutes as there are several better and cheaper places in the world, in Europe, in Asia or in many places where you chose to go. Some "middle east guys" might go to Belarus for hookers but they do not really use their brain as there are many other cheaper and better places for paid sex.
Regarding myself I do not go to Belarus to shag street girls (did a few 2005 but not after that. Got a super 3some with two street girls in 2005 for total USD 60 for an hour. Great fun and nice looking girls. I have posted this in the past. However that was 7 years ago!) or go to established hookers. I mostly hunt freebies and sometimes amateur semi-pros and sponsor girls. There are no fixed prices regarding this wide range of girls that wish some sort of compensation. As examples I have shagged an ex-model for USD 100 for an evening and I had sponsor girls for USD 50 for a night. I have been asked USD 200 / hour by some girls and they have obviously not been interesting to me as I try not to waste my money. Girls asking such high prices have in general not been very keen to negotiate about the price and has told me to find another. Which is of course fine with me, and with her as well. With the girls wanting compensation, ranging from gifts to straight up money or a fancy exotic trip, it is like an undefined dance. No fixed rules in this dance and it is up to you and the girl to make an arrangement that fits you both. The girl will be much more willing to lower her "sale" if she feels or sees you as a potential good man and to perhaps get some kind of future with you. If you're an asshole it will be strictly business in most cases. It pays to be nice but by this said I do not mean to be a looser or a pussy kind of man. Then you will get used. Be fair but firm. Do not treat girls in a bad way as that will help ruin foreigners rumour even further. To be an asshole is no gentelman way either, and I think that would feel wrong for any decent man. That does not mean to be folish or treat them like a princess, but in a decent way. Do not be desperate and do not hesitate to dump that semi-pro, and avoid to get fooled. Other girls which are not that spoiled can be had and the reward so much greater. All this has been written before if you bothered to read this forum and others. Thats how I started nearly 9 years ago.
You should keep in mind that this is probably the best online information, or ever written information in english, that exists about what can be expected in Belarus and how to manage with Belarus girls. Belarus if far off the beaten track and not a tourist destination at all. Anyone going to Belarus should realise this. You should read all that has been posted here and learn from it. Most of what you ask for has more or less already been written and this feels like a huge repeat to your questions. It can't get any better I guess regarding that so few peoples goes to Belarus even though it is not a dummies guide to shagging pros or amateurs. To complement the information scene you should also browse through forums like Ukraine or Russia to get a general feel. With that said I feel that Belarus is very different but yet again it is slavic women in all the cases. Some things are in common and some not. Its been said that in general Belarus girls are not so slutty as girls from Ukraine or Russia and I think there is some truth behind these words. Belarus people in general are quite humble as they are living in strictly controlled dictator country. They never had any freedom and have not really been exposed to tourism and what that brings. On the other hand, thats what is the REAL Jewel. In Belarus you find far less scamming hookers and money hungry sharks than in Ukraine, Russia or Moldova. The normal Belarus girls is not spoiled and if you treat her in a good way and show some good sides it is a good chance you find a very nice girlfriend or a good shag.
I can't tell too much about the paid scene as it is not my game. Girls in max Show have asked me for USD 100-150 for 1 hour and they are no beauties. I try to avoid the so "popular" option to go to clubs like NEXT and get the many pro girls there. If you want free normal girls you must first learn how to dance and be prepared to spend some hours of work and effort. Ask yourself what you want? Paid sex? I advise you to to Germany or Thailand! You'll get better value and more sex for the total price. If you go to Belarus for prostitutes I would say you are not an economist. You need to have more money than brains. Do you want sponsor girls? Use internet and all the sites that has already been mentioned. Spend some hours and days and you will find something. It is not that hard unless you want a playboy girl or a good GFE horny sponsor girl for a good price. Then you must be lucky, nice and charming and work for it and be willing to open the wallet. Do the job as there are no free lunches. I won't give you my girls as they have costed so much time and effort, and we have special relations even regarding my various sponsored girls. Do you want free normal girls for a good relationship? Thats my game and again all the internet sites has been mentioned. Apart from that you can visit the clubs and cafes in Minsk or much preferred in shopping malls or even in the metro, as I try to do myself. (I picked up a real beauty 8+ or 9- in the metro and dated her for nearly 10 times before I got to shag her, but what a joy when I did her! And a fun challange. With this short anectdote I want to tell that this is only an option for someone like me who often comes to belarus and can afford this. Otherwise I would not have pursued) With free girls more time effort and charm has to be invested. Again, the reward can be huge! If you can't pick up normal girls, you need to learn this as well. It is not a paid hunt in Afrika where guides will help you find the game elephant. Anyway, for such a hunt you would pay big money, unless you learn to become a hunter yourself. Thats what it is about. That comparison is a good advise I think. That does not mean that the rules in the west for picking up girls can be completely translated into the Belarus scene as the game here is different. A good word of wisdom is that it is hard to become a prophet in your own country. Well, when In Belarus, let go of that and relax and make contact. If ditched, and believe me you will be, smile and continue like a bee to the next flower. In the end you will get phone numbers and contacts. The most important feature is to dare and act a bit. If you behave like a gentleman, and adopt to the situation, you are of course interesting as a foreigner AND as man.
Real GFE sex is so much better than the often encountered robot sex from hookers. Some sponsor girls will give you perfect service as well, and some bad. As always. I have a young porn princess that does not cost me an arm or a leg and we have very good sex. She agrees on all in sex, including anal, A2M and she likes to be filmed. She is 20 and a natural acting video talant and I'm quite keen on keeping her. I posted photos of here before. She is the bottom girl in the photo with two girls playing bisexual. However I do not spoil her but treat her nice. With the risk of being selfish, I will keep her for my self. I have 3 regular girlfriends that has cost me a lot of time (we are talking about 1-2 years and 3 years in the longest case) and effort to build up working good relationships. These girls do not need any compensation, but love and a good partner in a relationship. The love part is important for me. The sex I get is wonderful and can hardly be valued in money. If so, it would cost me a lot. All 3 girls are a bit different, have different ages (22, 24 and 28) , blonde and two brunettes which makes it nice. However I am slowly falling in love with two of the girls and I think I will go serious with one of these girls in the future. It will be hard to chose, and a sad loss for the girl not chosen (and for me). These relationships means also I meet their parents etc and I'm invited for Sunday dinners and so on.
You complain about prices in USD or Euros. That will only go for the prostitutes or the advanced sponsor girls. Normal people (and girls) get their salary in Belarus Rubles. Their salaries have not increased since the crash of the Blr rouble. That means normal people are hurt big time and have to take the pinch. That makes normal girls ranging to sponsor girl of the ligher cadre more prone to money offers or sponsor offers. (these sponsor girls do in general not have any pimps, no fixed rules or prices. Again its a dance and it takes two) This has been observed by many including me. All this means that for normal people in Belarus it is close to 3 times more expensive to buy USD than before the crash. Same of course goes for imported goods or goods that can be exported for world marked prices. The people will suffer. Therefore, you are only partly correct and in some aspect totally wrong that the exchange rate does not matter. About politics and economy which I post about myself it is quite important if you want a good stay in Belarus and taking economy, security and all into the context. I think this imformation is really valid. It is a free forum with the theme of mongering, but all other relevant info that makes us more prepared and smarter is good info. Thats where you are wrong. Girls hard info is only one part, and as we have come to learn, it is not that easy as in Germany or Thailand.
With my words of own experience, I am sure others do it in another way and it works for them. I know some hunters are much better and smarter than me. I can only relate to my own experiences and they are honest. I know they works for my personality, but I also have bad luck, but also get gold medals and lots of fun. I also learn every time I go to Belarus. In my rucksack I have quite much EE experience and girl chasing there. You might find some member (or other person) to take you around as a guide hunting girls, but very few comes to Belarus on a regular basis. In Russia or Ukraine it would be easier to get guided. I have chosen to go on my own with its pros and cons. One part I really miss is a good mongerer friend in Minsk to meet and talk to. (male friendship and common hunting of girls and sharing experiences and just common talks about life. I really miss that in Belarus. I used to have that when I hunted in Moldova and in Romania and it was great fun. I remember how me and my friends teamed up a few girls)
This forum in total is VERY valuable and I have learned so much here, shared joy and met new people. However, in the end you have to gather the information, adopt and do the work. Improvise and get laid. Its all very possible, but it has to be done in real.
/Felix
I am looking at going to Belarus in April, anyone know of a good hotel in the Minsk area, close to the local scene so I can get a tourist voucher / letter? Also has anyone got their visa at the airport? I travel a lot and usually don't have the time to send off my passport when I am in the states to get visas.Hotel depends on your Budget.
I stayed at Hotel Planeta, when I got a good rate+ voucher, and is close enough.
Taxis are cheap, agree on a price.
Here is something on Minsk nightlife& clubs.
http://www.minsknightlife.net/nightclubs.htm.
Visas check with Belarus Embassy, or a reputable travel agency
Member #4274
01-07-12, 09:40
Felix, I read most of what you wrote and for the most part I could not agree more. Well said, sir. You're right, Minsk is off the beaten path and that is why I went there last fall for one month and will go again this April instead of Kiev or some city in Russia. It was for the pioneer experience and it proved a unique one at that. I was in Kiev in summer 2010 and in truth I had a wonderful time there. I met some terrific girls and people. However, I prefer Minsk. Not only is it cleaner and safer than Kiev but it has not been spoiled by western tourism. In Kiev or Budapest (where I lived for one year) one always has to be sure to ask the taxi driver how much the trip will cost to avoid being scammed. In Minsk this never happens. In fact there is a refreshing innocence to taking a taxi in Minsk. A fare from one side of the city to the other is about 3. 25 USD. Often I would give the equivalent of 4 USD in BYR and not ask for change and the driver would always look at me with a puzzled expression. Meanwhile I am thinking 'That trip would have cost me 20 USD in Canada. '
Like you, I prefer semi-pro's or to sponsor a young woman who would never go to a club and try or join the internet and demand straight up sex for money. Last fall I sponsored a studentka and she was an absolute pleasure to spend time with; tall, lean, pretty, sexy and warm. No head games. No deception. She would even come to my flat and cook dinner and wash the dishes afterwards. Meanwhile I am relaxing on the sofa with a Guinness watching sports highlights and thinking 'Why did it take me so long to come to Minsk? '
Another adept point you made was about Belarusian people. They are a different breed even compared to Russians. I certainly prefer Belarusians to Ukrainians. They are more civil and kind to each other not to mention much more trustworthy. Next time any of you happen to be in the Ukraine watch how two strangers will speak to each other with some form of coldness. Not in Belarus. People are much warmer to each other there.
Lastly, to comment on what Haokool said, more specifically 'Besides, and please no offense, but you are most talking about investment, economics, politics than girls. ' The politics and economy of a country one is visiting for whatever reason is absolutely important! This plays into the mentality of the local people including girls, even street girls. The more the economy goes down the drain the less it costs to get a girl in Minsk. It has been my experience that one can get a girl usually considered a 7 or 8 for 100 USD for two hours in Minsk. If the economy was stronger they would not be so cheap, in my estimation.
Hotel depends on your Budget.
I stayed at Hotel Planeta, when I got a good rate+ voucher, and is close enough.
Taxis are cheap, agree on a price.
Here is something on Minsk nightlife& clubs.
http://www.minsknightlife.net/nightclubs.htm.
Visas check with Belarus Embassy, or a reputable travel agencyGot off the Bus at the main Bus station in Minsk, coming from vilnius lithuania, there were few Taxis waiting outside, and each one of them quoted me US$10 to take me to Hotel Planeta.
A short ride away. It would have only been a matter of few cents, if I used local transport.
Didn't have that option or the balls to try it, being my first time there.
So I was scammed for 10 bucks.
The nice girl on reception was shocked when I told her how much I was charged, and advised me to agree a price first, especially with drivers hanging outside nightclubs, Bus Stations & places where the few tourists freuent.
And that wasn't the first time that I was overcharged by a taxi driver there.
You don't get overcharged, if you order Radio Taxis.
Hotel depends on your Budget.
I stayed at Hotel Planeta, when I got a good rate+ voucher, and is close enough.
Taxis are cheap, agree on a price.
Here is something on Minsk nightlife& clubs.
http://www.minsknightlife.net/nightclubs.htm.
Visas check with Belarus Embassy, or a reputable travel agencyHere is a good Travel Agency for Minsk.
You get the voucher for the Visa, once you make the booking with them for the Hotel .http://www.select-a-room.com/hotels/belarus.
I might go back there again in May
Felix Nordic
01-09-12, 02:35
I am looking at going to Belarus in April, anyone know of a good hotel in the Minsk area, close to the local scene so I can get a tourist voucher / letter? Also has anyone got their visa at the airport? I travel a lot and usually don't have the time to send off my passport when I am in the states to get visas.I recommend you to get an apartment instead of a hotel. Anyway, thats how I always do it. More space, less price and less problems especially when taking a girl, or several girls to your nest. You can arrange your own party and cook some food as well. Its more like home but abroad.
Use google and type apartments Minsk and you will find several options. Tourist support document (voucher) can be had if you ask these guys:
http://angelikaminsk.com/visa.shtml
I usually use their service. What they will issue even for apartments is a phoney voucher saying you will stay in this or that hotel. Use this info when filling in the visa form. (and do not forget to get registred within 5 working days. Or you are a smoked fish)
Visa at the airport is only possible if your country does not have an embassy in Belarus. Still you need the invitation (voucher) but ask to send it to the airport in Minsk.
I advice you to get a Belarus sim card asap (much cheaper to call the girls as well). That can be done in the shops selling mobiles. Just ask. It is advicable to know at least a few phrases in Russian. Or take a chance and get lucky (but you might get very frustrated). That only goes for hotels and advanced shops though unless you are lucky. Dial 135 for a good taxi company (with Belarus sim card). You need to speak some Russian though. If you have not got a local sim card yet, ask in a hotel if they can help you with a taxi. As a newcomer to Belarus, expect to be overerly charged. Again to know some Russian is essential. If you arrive at the airport in Minsk take the Marshrutka (minibus) to Minsk. It costs around USD 1 compared to USD 30 that is a normal asking price for a taxi. I usually tell the driver to stop at the first metro and from there I take the metro. (tell the driver. Pashalsta stop pirvim metro and keep your eyes open. But he will stop). To make it less complicated but more expensive, most travel agencies (where you can get you invitation voucher) offers airport pick ups. Usually at around USD 30-40. At least that way you know you make it to the town. I only use my apartment agency if I am short of time or airplane lands at a very bad time. Otherwise I prefer to save money and take the minibus.
Canadianboy;
Thanks for the info about Dozari. I will go there any way I think. I'm still a bit of explorer. Even if have been around 25 times in belarus.
Cheers.
/Felix
Member #4491
01-10-12, 02:23
Thank you all for the good info here, especially on visa and apartments. I was in Minsk once before, and enjoyed the place. Minsk can come across as place that is hard to penetrate when reading these pages, but I felt that females everywhere where very open and inviting. All the advice about acting like a gentleman is of course relevant. Pigs attract pigs, anywhere on the globe. If you want good girl, you must behave good, even in Pattaya (good is however always relevant). As suggested, you just have to go there and do the work. There are shortcuts in for example getting referrals, but you rarely ever get them except from very good monger friends, and if you do, they are most often left overs for some reason, anyway. Humans are greedy, envious and have a hard time to trust each other.
Referrals from local females are easier than from mongers normally, as long as both the girls see some form value in the transaction (not only financial value counts here). So here is a question for the veterans in Belarus; how are the girls in this country when it comes to referring a friend? The broker role is a great facilitator in getting prime punani in for example Asia. I am not talking hookers here but all from aunties with heavy e-cups to teenage virgins, that all where available, once Barba proved for ten minutes that he was a decent guy.
It can even be a door opener, or should we say panty opener, to the one you ask. It takes off the edge, and you get to say what you like to find, without putting her on the spot.
"My pretty friend, could you refer me to a blond innocent student girl, with natural the cups and an interest in Schopenhauer, who are willing to invest a day and a night to get to know a foreign guy that just arrived to this city?"
"Giggle giggle, but that is me you describe. Giggle giggle. I would be happy to take you around and I love shopping."
And the door is wide open.
For me it was quite easy to get contact with friendly females of both the professional and the innocent kind in Minsk. Stayed in Hotel Victoria (the hookers there where horrible) and walked down the big street to what was suggested to be 'West World Club' by CanadianBoy in a PM (thank you for helping my failing memory). Many very attractive females, and just about all seemed to be on the job in some form. I met one friendly guy from London (D if you see this, send my a ping here) that goes to Minsk regularly, and he introduced me to another disco (yes I still call them disco) that was more or less packed with serious looking but approachable females. The best night in Minsk ended in some social club in the high rises somewhere, where we danced and drank until the sun welcomed us to a new day. I am normally a moderate drinker, but these days in Minsk I managed to strike out all days on the grand finale, due to to much Russian caviar and vodka by the half kilo. Crazy and fun days, that I remember with a smile, even though I deeply regret not getting back with that promised drink to the slim student with hair to her waist, and deep brown friendly eyes. A dold fish's attention span that night.
I liked Minsk a lot and will go back in a couple of months for some days of work and play. Have some loose plans to hit some other provincial pearl at that time as well, so I better start on improving my Russian by a few million percentages.
All the best from Barba!
Got off the Bus at the main Bus station in Minsk, coming from vilnius lithuania, there were few Taxis waiting outside, and each one of them quoted me US$10 to take me to Hotel Planeta.
A short ride away. It would have only been a matter of few cents, if I used local transport.
Didn't have that option or the balls to try it, being my first time there.
So I was scammed for 10 bucks.
The nice girl on reception was shocked when I told her how much I was charged, and advised me to agree a price first, especially with drivers hanging outside nightclubs, Bus Stations & places where the few tourists freuent.
And that wasn't the first time that I was overcharged by a taxi driver there.
You don't get overcharged, if you order Radio Taxis.For international Travel, I also rely on my 4. Bibles.
Lonely Planet, Tripadvisor. Com, virtualtourist. Com and inyourpocket. Com.
Reading about Tourist Traps section on the Minsk Forum in virtualtourist. Com, it seems that I wasn't the only one who got overcharged by dishonest taxi drivers there, and that there is more than one operating there.
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Belarus/Tourist_Traps-Belarus-TG-C-1.html.
The member explains that (Some Taxi Drivers try 2 cheat foreign Tourists, by 3 possible ways.
1. Nightprice at Day time.
2Fast Taxi meters.
3High Price& no Taxi Meter.
He Further advises, always negotiate a price before you get in.
Take official Taxi.).
Having said that, taxi fares even if you get overcharged, is not worth getting overheated over it, when compared how much it costs in western countries.
Just put down 2 experience
For international Travel, I also rely on my 4. Bibles.
Lonely Planet, Tripadvisor. Com, virtualtourist. Com and inyourpocket. Com.
Reading about Tourist Traps section on the Minsk Forum in virtualtourist. Com, it seems that I wasn't the only one who got overcharged by dishonest taxi drivers there, and that there is more than one operating there.
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Belarus/Tourist_Traps-Belarus-TG-C-1.html.
The member explains that (Some Taxi Drivers try 2 cheat foreign Tourists, by 3 possible ways.
1. Nightprice at Day time.
2Fast Taxi meters.
3High Price& no Taxi Meter.
He Further advises, always negotiate a price before you get in.
Take official Taxi.).
Having said that, taxi fares even if you get overcharged, is not worth getting overheated over it, when compared how much it costs in western countries.
Just put down 2 experienceMore experiences From virtualtourist. Com on Taxi Drivers.
Ns, Belgrade, Bucharest, Kaunas, Kiev, Krakow, Minsk, Moscow, Prague, Riga, Rome, Sofia, Warsaw, Zagreb.
Something all of these places have in common is no shortage of taxi drivers who see it as a divine right to rip off tourists. In Bucharest, Minsk and Moscow in particular it is utterly outrageous and if there is an honest taxi driver anywhere in these cities then I am yet to find them.
Some thing else each of these cities have in common is a well developed public transport system based on any of metro / tram / trolley bus. The public transport systems are simple, efficient, quick and inexpensive and provide a welcome alternative to the inevitable taxi driver rip off.
Read more: http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Belarus/Minsk-340356/Transportation-Minsk-TG-C-1.html#ixzz1j6X6bKs3
Borderland
02-09-12, 12:42
Has anybody figured out a way to be able to spend longer then 90 days a year in the country? Even long term visitor and business visas doesn't seem to allow it. The only visa that does not categorically state that you can only stay a maximum of 90 days in a year is the 'Short term visa for permanent residence', anybody have any idea about getting residency or this particular visa? I was thinking a possible way might be to go for 90 days, return home 'lose your passport' and apply for a new one and get a new 90 day visa but surely even if you applied for a visa in another country the government data base would flag you up and you're application would be refused. Any ideas?
I am looking at going to Belarus in April, anyone know of a good hotel in the Minsk area, close to the local scene so I can get a tourist voucher / letter? Also has anyone got their visa at the airport? I travel a lot and usually don't have the time to send off my passport when I am in the states to get visas.If you really travelled that much, you would have had a second passport by now. Good for only 2 years though. Apply through visahq. Com. And while you're at it, have them fill it up with the visas you'll need for the next trip. I try to use mine to keep the yellow fever and african countries on the second passport. Simplifies things.
Borderland
02-09-12, 19:54
Also has anyone got their visa at the airport?Done it a couple of times but not for a couple of years. The facts as they were are that it was more expensive doing it at the airport and they only accepted USD. I arrived without USD and had a guard escort me through the airport to the bank upstairs and then back. Both times there was a long queue at the visa desk and one guy serving which took about 90 minutes for me to be served so try to get off the plane first or you'll be wasting time that would be better spent in town. Make sure you have the correct support documents to support the application. A couple of guys didn't and had to book a very expensive hotel for the duration of their stay to get their visa.
As for your other question about hotel. Planeta was a good option a few years back. It's a 10 minute walk into town from there along the river bank. I managed to bring girls back without trouble in the daytime. However you would be better off with an apartment tbh. Plenty of agencies on the web offer them and the visa support documents.
Member #4274
02-09-12, 21:42
Done it a couple of times but not for a couple of years. The facts as they were are that it was more expensive doing it at the airport and they only accepted USD. I arrived without USD and had a guard escort me through the airport to the bank upstairs and then back. Both times there was a long queue at the visa desk and one guy serving which took about 90 minutes for me to be served so try to get off the plane first or you'll be wasting time that would be better spent in town. Make sure you have the correct support documents to support the application. A couple of guys didn't and had to book a very expensive hotel for the duration of their stay to get their visa.
As for your other question about hotel. Planeta was a good option a few years back. It's a 10 minute walk into town from there along the river bank. I managed to bring girls back without trouble in the daytime. However you would be better off with an apartment tbh. Plenty of agencies on the web offer them and the visa support documents.As usual, Borderland is correct. It is a much better idea to rent a flat in Minsk then to stay at a hotel. They will not only help you with getting a visa and offer an airport pick-up, but it is a much cheaper alternative then staying at a hotel. Well, that is, if you are staying longer than a few days. Send me a PM if you need a trustowrthy contact for an apartment as I have one.
As for a visa, I got one at the airport during my last visit and there were no problems. However, the queue was long and I waited for an hour at least. Make sure you have crisp USD or Euro's with you. When I was there a British guy had crumpled up USD and they refused them. I had to help him out, poor chap.
East Explorer
02-09-12, 22:04
Any ideas?I was also trying to figure out this. Basically yes, you can get a temporary or a permanent residence permit.
A temporary permit up to one year if:
-student.
-ownership of residential premises
-granted temporary refugee status (that's why right now you will find many ex Ghadaffi loyalists)
-receive medical care in a hospital.
-close relatives of citizens of Belarus.
-for certain occupations (e. G. Diplomats)
A permanent residence permit if:
- granted permanent refugee status.
- have lived legally in Belarus the last seven years or more;
- workers and specialists are needed by Belorussian organisations;
- possess exceptional abilities and talents, or have outstanding service to the Republic of Belarus, the highest achievement in science, technology, culture and sports;
- are foreign investors who invest a minimum of one hundred and fifty thousand Euro
Borderland
02-10-12, 13:53
I was also trying to figure out this. Basically yes, you can get a temporary or a permanent residence permit.
A temporary permit up to one year if:
-student.
-ownership of residential premises
-granted temporary refugee status (that's why right now you will find many ex Ghadaffi loyalists)
-receive medical care in a hospital.
-close relatives of citizens of Belarus.
-for certain occupations (e. G. Diplomats)
A permanent residence permit if:
- granted permanent refugee status.
- have lived legally in Belarus the last seven years or more;
- workers and specialists are needed by Belorussian organisations;
- possess exceptional abilities and talents, or have outstanding service to the Republic of Belarus, the highest achievement in science, technology, culture and sports;
- are foreign investors who invest a minimum of one hundred and fifty thousand EuroThanks for the info EE.
So it seems getting a student visa would be the best option. Sign up for a Russian course, I'm sure you could pay extra so that you did not have to attend classes if you did not want to. I think that's a good idea to study Russian anyway: in six months you'd be well on your way to semi fluency which would reap huge benefits in future travels and you'd meet on a daily basis a huge amount of female students. If you enrolled in a preparatory course in a town like Gomel you'd clean up. Most foreign students in Gomel / Vitsebsk universities are there because they can't afford better options and hence are from third world countries, so a more mature Westerner with a little more money to play with and more experience with women would have the time of his life, especially if you had a car with you.
As for owning property: it's virtually impossible for foreigners except if you're Russian. The Belarus property market is also vastly over priced. Apartments in Minsk or even smaller towns sell for more then they do in EU capitol cities such as Budapest or Sofia. And since rents are low you can't make a decent return (I investigated the idea a while back ). There is a plan I've had for a while though: You can buy country cottages (Izba) for $1000 US if they are far enough away from Minsk. You'd have to put it into a local friend's name but if you then spent another couple of thousand dollars you'd have a fully 'remonted' country cottage in a beautiful part of the countryside which you could use as a place to bring your conquests to for weekend parties. In the summer especially it would be a lot of fun with local lakes and rivers to swim in and fish and a steady stream of university students looking to escape the monotony of life on the local Kolkhoz on their days off. You could give English lessons in return for Russian ones and soon get your language skills up to scratch. Just a little dream of mine.
Thanks to Border Land & East Explorer for the info posted.
Yes Minsk &Belarus in general hold some potential, if looking for long term returns.
Found this link, which shows some actual figures on various costs & prices, including rents & real Estate.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Belarus.
Minsk must have been on the mony laundering &investment trail of a lot of Unsavoury Characters from the Middle East including Israel, as well as I am sure some honest folk, who are just trying to start a new life in a European country, even if it is Belarus.
When I was there, I was told, that a lot of the Hotels, casinos new apatment blocks were foreign owned.
When the problems in that part of the world started, a lot of cash was withdrawn from the banking system, causing the free fall of the be rouble.
I read, that even the the present Foreign Minister of Israel (Avigador Liberman, born in Moldova, and immegrated to Israel in 1986, and worked for a while as a Night club bouncer there) , loves holidaying in Belarus. So much, that he invested some money there.
For this, he is under investigation in Israel for money Laundering.
I was also trying to figure out this. Basically yes, you can get a temporary or a permanent residence permit.
A temporary permit up to one year if:
-student.
-ownership of residential premises
-granted temporary refugee status (that's why right now you will find many ex Ghadaffi loyalists)
-receive medical care in a hospital.
-close relatives of citizens of Belarus.
-for certain occupations (e. G. Diplomats)
A permanent residence permit if:
- granted permanent refugee status.
- have lived legally in Belarus the last seven years or more;
- workers and specialists are needed by Belorussian organisations;
- possess exceptional abilities and talents, or have outstanding service to the Republic of Belarus, the highest achievement in science, technology, culture and sports;
- are foreign investors who invest a minimum of one hundred and fifty thousand Euro.
Some info on Visas & other info.
http://www.belarus.by/en/travel/travel-visas
Thanks to Border Land & East Explorer for the info posted.
Yes Minsk &Belarus in general hold some potential, if looking for long term returns.
Found this link, which shows some actual figures on various costs & prices, including rents & real Estate.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Belarus.
Minsk must have been on the mony laundering &investment trail of a lot of Unsavoury Characters from the Middle East including Israel, as well as I am sure some honest folk, who are just trying to start a new life in a European country, even if it is Belarus.
When I was there, I was told, that a lot of the Hotels, casinos new apatment blocks were foreign owned.
When the problems in that part of the world started, a lot of cash was withdrawn from the banking system, causing the free fall of the be rouble.
I read, that even the the present Foreign Minister of Israel (Avigador Liberman, born in Moldova, and immegrated to Israel in 1986, and worked for a while as a Night club bouncer there) , loves holidaying in Belarus. So much, that he invested some money there.
For this, he is under investigation in Israel for money Laundering.It should come up on this link, under Belarus.
www.numbeo.com
Thanks for the info EE.
As for owning property: it's virtually impossible for foreigners except if you're Russian. The Belarus property market is also vastly over priced. Apartments in Minsk or even smaller towns sell for more then they do in EU capitol cities such as Budapest or Sofia. And since rents are low you can't make a decent return (I investigated the idea a while back ). There is a plan I've had for a while though: You can buy country cottages (Izba) for $1000 US if they are far enough away from Minsk. You'd have to put it into a local friend's name but if you then spent another couple of thousand dollars you'd have a fully 'remonted' country cottage in a beautiful part of the countryside which you could use as a place to bring your conquests to for weekend parties. In the summer especially it would be a lot of fun with local lakes and rivers to swim in and fish and a steady stream of university students looking to escape the monotony of life on the local Kolkhoz on their days off. You could give English lessons in return for Russian ones and soon get your language skills up to scratch. Just a little dream of mine..
Bumping this thread a bit, before it goes quiet again.
According to this, any Foreigner from any country, can buy property in Belarus.
http://www.prlog.org/11756966-buying-houses-in-minsk-belarus-for-foreigners.html.
And this is dated late Dec. 2011.
But this (Izba) country cottage seems to be very cheap.
Would be great for summer parties, even taking a girl there from outside Belarus.
Thanks for the info EE.
So it seems getting a student visa would be the best option. Sign up for a Russian course, I'm sure you could pay extra so that you did not have to attend classes if you did not want to. I think that's a good idea to study Russian anyway: in six months you'd be well on your way to semi fluency which would reap huge benefits in future travels and you'd meet on a daily basis a huge amount of female students. If you enrolled in a preparatory course in a town like Gomel you'd clean up. Most foreign students in Gomel / Vitsebsk universities are there because they can't afford better options and hence are from third world countries, so a more mature Westerner with a little more money to play with and more experience with women would have the time of his life, especially if you had a car with you.
As for owning property: it's virtually impossible for foreigners except if you're Russian. The Belarus property market is also vastly over priced. Apartments in Minsk or even smaller towns sell for more then they do in EU capitol cities such as Budapest or Sofia. And since rents are low you can't make a decent return (I investigated the idea a while back ). There is a plan I've had for a while though: You can buy country cottages (Izba) for $1000 US if they are far enough away from Minsk. You'd have to put it into a local friend's name but if you then spent another couple of thousand dollars you'd have a fully 'remonted' country cottage in a beautiful part of the countryside which you could use as a place to bring your conquests to for weekend parties. In the summer especially it would be a lot of fun with local lakes and rivers to swim in and fish and a steady stream of university students looking to escape the monotony of life on the local Kolkhoz on their days off. You could give English lessons in return for Russian ones and soon get your language skills up to scratch. Just a little dream of mine.More info on apartments in Minsk & Belarus.
http://www.apartmentinminsk.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:flat-sale-buy&catid=31:general&Itemid=46.About US$1300 / sq m in Minsk, and US$ 600/900 in other cities, like Gomel, Brest etc.
Which seems quite reasonable.
George 6969
02-18-12, 22:26
I like Minsk probably because I don t have to live the real Belorussian reality and stay in the vicinity of foreigners and comfortable enviroment. If you consider this, Next is a nice place. Had been there on two consecutive days and enjoyed myself very much. Entrance is BYR 5o. Ooo or 5 or $ 7. You have to pay it at a cashiers box in the groundfloor. You get there if you enter through the Hotel Crown Plaza entrance and go behind the lobby bar or there is also an independend entrance from the street. You take the lift to the 3rd floor and you will be there. Face control is moderate, but everyone dress up nicely.
The place gets packed around midnight, also on tuesdays and wednesdays and the party starts. A significant group of Turkish or Arabian looking men, but no problems whatsoever and I don t understand some comments in other posts regarding this. People told me the owner of the Hotel is a Turk.
It is not so easy to realize, which of the ladies is a pro, a semi pro or a normal guest. Take your time and a drink and watch the ongoing behaviour and you will find out. I had the luck of getting picked up by two friends and shared them over the two days. Two normal girls and I am not George Clooney. What I can tell you is that the going rate is around $ 200 and the amount of beauty in this place is wonderful. Even if you go home alone, you will have a nice evening. I have seen those clubs, where people dance and party only in the former CIS. The average age of the people is between mid twenties and early thirties. I am a end fourty and didn t felt strange.
Borderland
02-22-12, 14:12
More info on apartments in Minsk & Belarus.
http://www.apartmentinminsk.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:flat-sale-buy&catid=31:general&Itemid=46.About
US$1300 / sq m in Minsk, and US$ 600/900 in other cities, like Gomel, Brest etc.
Which seems quite reasonable.Hey Jojosun,
Good find with the last link you posted. They say they have long term lets for $350 a month in Minsk, however I don't know if they would consider 1 month as long term or if you would need to commit to renting it for six months / a year. Out of interest how much are people on this forum paying for apartment rental in Minsk on average? Most agencies catering to foreigners are usually advertising their lets by the night and charging about $60. That would mean (without bargaining) you'd be paying about $1800 per month which I'm presuming nobody is foolish enough to do. I'd be happy to pay $500 US for a month for a decently located one bed apartment and with bills included. Doable?
Hey Jojosun,
Good find with the last link you posted. They say they have long term lets for $350 a month in Minsk, however I don't know if they would consider 1 month as long term or if you would need to commit to renting it for six months / a year. Out of interest how much are people on this forum paying for apartment rental in Minsk on average? Most agencies catering to foreigners are usually advertising their lets by the night and charging about $60. That would mean (without bargaining) you'd be paying about $1800 per month which I'm presuming nobody is foolish enough to do. I'd be happy to pay $500 US for a month for a decently located one bed apartment and with bills included. Doable?You could take it on a long term basis & have one or 2 girls to share it with you.
Great way to meet girls in Minsk & share most of the expenses & fun + networking.
But that means you need to keep going back to Minsk?
Felix Nordic
02-23-12, 00:06
first of all, those who have realized that an apartment is far better value and more privacy and totally girl friendly, than hotels are totally correct. i have discovered this 7. 8 years ago and always use an apartment unless i'm on a payed work trip.
i also agree that it is good link posted (thanks jojosun!) with the info to buy apartments and they also have a link to short term rentals (from usd 65 to way over a 100 bucks a night). i see some fresh modern looking apartments there at great locations but then you have to be ready to pay around usd 70 a night. my apartment (my usual rent for the last 3 years) is at usd 60 a night. its a two room apartment at metro jakoba kolosa with a big kitchen, big bathroom with a big bath tub (no problems to fit me in and a girl. and i'm a bit of a big guy). many of the apartments in the below link are more modern and fresher (at least from the photos provided)
i get my apartment for lower price as i am a regular guy, and at other web sites i have seen it for usd 75 a night. one big plus with the apartments in the link is wifi and internet. my apartment lacks that. (i will try to get that for next time in april)
to buy an apartment in minsk, and it seams easy in the link, could actually be much more complicated than one thinks. taking my belarus experiences in the past into the context this is my gut feeling. actually they write lower on the page that it does take quite a bit of paper work and could take long time. be aware. apart from that you still have a very unsecure political situation for the future. new laws are passed on in this secret country and they come sudden and can mean anything from irritating things to major problems, but are selldom of the positive kind.
about long term rentals for apartments they also have prices which ranges from usd 1500 a month (top center apartments) down to usd 450 a month for a basic apartment (more soviet style and 20 mins off centre. probably by metro or bus). now, these prices are only if you are on a 12 month contract. that leaves them out of range for those who wish a month or two, provided the visa problem is solved (unless you are great at bargaining). great idea btw to register as a student. i never thought about that. has to be investegated further. i am really sick of all the visa sh-te!
i returned from minsk two weeks ago and will give a bit of an update, as promised. the news about internet restrictions are still not so problematic or not at all. i had no problems at all accessing the web pages i wanted, even for business. i asked in an internet cafe and they said it was only used to block "extremists sites" (lol i didn't try any porno sites though)
belarus got hit by some very cold weeks and during my last week day time temperature was not warmer than. 20 c. quite a struggle to walk in the streets for more than 30 mins. in the night it fell to. 25 to. 30. i even got some frost bites on my ears. i felt such a pity for the street girls working outdoors in these cold wether when i passed by in a warm taxi.
still the crisis has belarus in its grip and work and money is in big need. that does indeed open up for a cadre of girls who needs cash and find the way of a sponsor to be a passable solution. i felt that very much in some internet contacts with some girls. i was lucky to find a real gem, a model (not elite though) who needed a nice man to sponsor her. she was the prime luxury of my trip (apart from two of my sweetheart girls, and one of them i am really falling in love with. please forgive me as i am only a man) my new model sponsored girl is 23 and easily ranks 9 on my scale. she has long straight dark brown hair that reaches down to the bottom of her tits (well whats there anyway.). at 174 cm and 50 kg she has the perfect model slim "skinny" body and a very beautiful face to match that. only downside was small tits (almost flat. almost). she easily passed the two finger test, which means that when she stands with her legs together you should be able to fit two of your fingers on her pussy in the separation between her legs. i'm an ass loving guy (and pussy) and often watch girls in the streets and comments to myself, yeah she pass the two finger test or nops. she does not. this candidate passed the test without any problems. i meet her 3 times during my 17 day stay and we had great sessions. she stayed for 2. 3 hours every time and after less than an hour we were engaged in nice hot sex. first time was with condom and i told her that next time i want to do her in the natural style and she said she liked that. second time it was just heaven and we had a very nice time. we started out with nice sensual kissing that ended in me caressing all of her skinny body until we were positioned in a 69. her pussy was scent free and the sight of her skinny ass was just tremedeous! what a kick! after that i rotated her (no problems with her skinny body and no weight) he started on top of me (which i like. as first position. when i know i am all hard. and can totally relax and fucus to enjoy and let her do the work that i love btw as well.) she squatted (not sat down as in normal cow girl) on me and rode me in a good and hard way and she did like to go down in the deep way in the squat in order for my dick to reach the upper end of her vagina. that is so erotic when you can go so deep in a girl that your head of your dick reaches her deep bottom of her pussy! it stimulated my "dick" in the most possible way for every move up and down in her squatting position and we continued for some time and she worked harder and harder. i thought to myself as i saw this beauty on top of me, that heaven can't be much closer.
then we swapped and by her own will she positioned her in doggy style on my bed. the sight of her skinny perfect arse and spread legs, and her toned slim waist for me to grab as i entered her from behind is a sight to remember. i had worked hard to find her as the jewel in a sea of ordinary cats and i enjoyed every stroke, touch and breath as i pounded away harder and ever faster. it was a such a feast for my eyes and my body was responding accordingly. it is such a boost and a kick to shag a true beauty as my new model "skinny" (skinny is really what she was) sponsorette and feeling her pink inner secret pleasures in the natural way. reaching close to climax i pulled out of her and rotated her and had barely time for a few strokes with my clutching hand around my hard, close to bursting rod, when it was met by warm lips and eager toungue ready to get my semen. and i exploded. right in to her hungry mouth. she sucked like a champ and kept her lips tight around my dick. it all stayed inside her mouth and not a drop was spilled. (unfortunately as it is very sexy with swallowing. but at this stage i was close to nirvana and couldn't be bothered for a second with that) a lot of tensions released in my head and i thought, what a girl, what a good girl. i was exhausted and so close to heaven and she looked up at me an nodded slightly to me as i smiled and moaned. when she realised that i was drained of my love juice she gently let my dick out of her mouth with closing lips and she looked at me again with her beautiful eyes and moved to the other side of the bed and with a happy energetic jogging style ran off to the bathroom to spit it out. my arms reached out and i put my hands at the back of my head and held my hair. and thought. wooow.
after a quick shower she came out wrapped in a towel and she smiled to me. the perv in my just woke up from the sexually satisfied mans brain and i told her i wanted a photo of her to remember this beautiful meeting. and she told me in a bit sharp and clear way, no photos! perhaps when we get to know each other in a better way. she explained to me that trust is very important to her, it is the most vital ingredient in a relationship. i told her i understand, but provocated her in a teasing way and told her that this is her plan of making me long of her in a way that will hurt me. unless i get some nice photos to remember her. and she smiled and said that she do not like photos. i laughed a bit and said, hey. come on. you are a photo model what is the problem. are you shy? she said that only if i promise her that the photos are only for me. again she asked me if she can really trust me and i said that you can trust me. these photos are for my eyes only. she slipped the towel and quickly got in the underwear, her panties and bra. i was honoured with taking a few underwear photos and she posed with an ease and suggested poses. like a model. i got 4 pics as a memory and the last one of her very nice skinny arse. i gave her great compliments about here beautiful perfect "popa" and made some jokes and smiled. i said, what a dream to enjoy your perfect "popa". actually i like that very much. she looked at me in a teasing way and told me; maybe next time if i can trust you and if you are a nice man (in her russian accent english). i replied, well honey, of course. i think you feel that i am a nice man. so next time it is "popa" time. and she replied; maybe yes!
dreams come true, and the next and my last meeting with her during my trip i was honoured with taking her anal in the end of a hot bath. it proved to be just as perfect as i have wished for and a heaven to have this slim beauty bend over for you in the bath tub and giving access granted to enter her rear end of femininity. it started with a hot bath (again, good to have an apartment with a big bath) , two glasses of wine and three candles put on the edges of the big bath tub. we both agreed that a warm bath is so nice and relaxing and romantic during these cold winter days. we slowly kissed in the hot bath but her kisses got wilder and wilder as she is is not really a slow romantic kisser. my hands felt all of her body and caressed her ass a bit extra as i knew what was on the erotic meny. i then changed position and rubbed her up with a nice massage in the warm water. she relaxed and told me how nice this is and that she thinks i am a very nice man. i said to her; thank you! and told you that a true young wonderful and beautiful lady like you gives me the correct inspiration! i realised it did not sound too well and filled in that it is my personality to be nice to people because i believe in that you should treat others in the same way you wish to be treated yourself. we kissed again and i moved her on top of me and she let me enter her. as she moved up and down small waves and splashes occured in the bath. i moved her to doggy style and continued to move in and out of her pussy until is was like hard pounding. then i slowed down and gently pulled out of her. she pouted with her skinny arse on all four, climbing a bit on the edge of the big bath as she knew what was comming. i went down and placed both hands on her butt cheeks and spread them apart and went down to kiss her butt cheeks and then proceeded down to kiss her anus. i actually like this very much but only on a really hot and fresh girl. my tongue slided up and down her wet butt hole and my anal licking went more intensive and i then forced my tongue to enter her anus and it barely did. i told her to relax darling and she said in poor english, i try! and my tongue continued to work and circled around her butt hole and could by slight force made her rear relaxed and ready. my head was focused and i though that i better prepare her in the best way for anal sex. i gently let my finger massage her anus and the slowly pushed it it. i asked her it if was ok and she said "yes" and tried to turn her head around and look at me. i continued for a minute to finger fuck her arse and then decided that it is time for the real deal. again, what a sight to see her pouty and skinny ass at my disposal and ready to get penetrated. i did enjoy that sight for a few seconds. i gently placed the head of dick in her anal and by very gentle force made it clear to her that permission to enter her arse was being enforced. she relaxed a bit and let me slowly enter into her dark hole. i stopped half way to feel her vibes and slowly started to move in and out. my hands held her skinny slim waist and i thought that if i was a basketball player i probably could have reached around her waist. thoughts quickly disappeared as i got really erotic from this and became a bit more daring and hot and pushed my dick further inside her arse. in it went slowly and my hands around her waist felt the vibes that is was all ok and she did not make any protests at all. just great, super! as a start i slowly started to make full strokes and continued to go faster as well until i can claim that this is real full anal hot shag. it was so tight but soon became quite relaxed and she even gave slight moans. for me it was an erotical dream! i was actually, in real life, shagging one of the most beautiful girls in my life and in her ass! what a thrill! life! every moment was a dream and i poked her arse faster and faster but not super hard because i felt i had to treat this dream girl in a respectful and gentle mannor. and not to give bad impressions and scare her away. but still to let my male mind and body enjoy as much as possible! after 5. 10 minutes of anal sex she freezed and i understood something was not ok and i asked her. she told me that it has started to hurt a bit and i gently pulled out. i washed my dick carefully and told her to get into doggy position again and this time i gave her pussy full energy and speed and after a few minutes i was ready to get milked. and i pulled out fast and as she knew what was comming she turned around and the water splashed and i jerked off in her mouth. i was moaning and let all what i got semen wise to enter her mouth. yes! ohh, so nice. as the bath was hot i was feeling a bit over heated due to exhaust and too much sport i was actually releived that as soon as she has got her mouth full of sperma she carefully but quickly climbed out of the bath and spitted it all out in the zink. my legs was shaking and i slided down into the warm water with a moan and a sigh. completely satisfied and happy as a man. i looked at her arse pointed at me as she bent over to tap up some water in her hands and sip into her mouth and only to spit out again. i thought to myself and looked at her "popa"; i've done that arse in natural style! well done to myself!
sorry gents, but i felt like writing a bit about my real experiences. i got carreied away here. apart from this true gem model girl my porn princess (as descriped and pictured before) was really eager to make her life better and even brought her girlfriend along for 3 nice porno video sessions. two girls at the same time for private video sessions, full sex as my sponsored girls. they claimed to be bisexual but in real was only very light. some kissing and touching each other and kissing each others breasts, but thats allmost all. during one session i got girl sveta to kiss the other girls pussy and actually also to lick it. some success there, but hard. that is perhaps a story for another time. again for all those who wish to find these kind of girls, sponsored or not, time and effort and as well as a bit of luck is needed. i have done my fair share of work. no understatements what so ever. i actually think i deserve what i harvest. not intented to brag or to make any one think i'm brad pitt or a super here anything. just what "might" come after hard work for a perv like me. i'm just a normal man who have learned during the years and have a goal to shag some really sex girls. really, i have spent a lot of time finding what i want. it does not come without hard work and skills and a bit of a luck unless you're just that sob lucky person! i think few of us are that lucky, and that is why hard work is the only way. and use your brain. the persistent and smart hunter will in the end be rewarded. the devil never shits twice in the same place so keep on working is my motto!
a girl i used to be in contact with told me that she can not meet me at all because she has decided to get serious with ber boyfriend, but recommended me her really sexy friend. after seeing her photos i got her phone number and tried to meet her during my stay in minsk but either i was busy with girls or she was busy with work and nothing turned out. sad, but perhaps for next visit to belarus. who knows.
i really got to tell a strange story that happened to me as well. i got in contact with a hot 21 year old beautiful well shaped brunette on internet and she was keen on meeting me. said and done. i knew she was an "expensive" girl to take out from what she had written me. i decided to meet her infront of hotel europe and then go for a drink and a talk. i took her to restaurant renesanse just 50 meters away from hotel europ in old town. i was intrigued by her and her beauty and accepted to myeself that this experiment will cost me a few dollars for drinks and food but it is worth a try. (bar bill at close to usd 50 in the end) so, we sat down in this quite stylish and expensive restaurant (anyway usually over my budget to go to such places. they can't really cook so do not order food there). i ordered a glas of red wine and she settled for a 100 ml rom and cola. oh, man, i thought this will cost me but i got to see where this leads. we had a nice conversation and soon the drinks was finsihed and second round was ordered. continued and even more flirty as i tried to seduce her. she showed me her passport and excused herself that she was only 18. the younger the better i thought, but told her that this is a surprise and she is very young. she told me it is not a problem me being more than double her age as long as i am a nice man. after a while the third round came and we were getting a bit drunk and i am sure she was as well. 3 x 100 ml rom and cola and she must have been a bit "piano"! i challenged her as the restaurant was closing and told her that she should come as my guest to my apartment and we can continue to drink and talk there and she surprisingly accepted. after taxi to my apartment drinks came out pretty fast and she had a big whisky and cola and me having a straight whisky as i told her that men in the west do not drink whisky and cola. a bit more drunk and i on purpose started to give her compliments about her beauty and body and she liked that. i did the "brudershaft" drink with her, with crossed arms as you drink and a kiss afterwords to approach her. it was fine and i got some light kissing but no real tongue kissing. as it was around 01. 00 she told me it was late and either she needed to go home or perhaps sleep in my apartment. previously i had gotten an sms from one of my regular girls that she will come to me at 08. 30 in the morning because she starts to work at 11. 00. with that in mind i told her that i must get up early because of "work" and perhaps it is better if she go home as i had a slight vibe that there will not be any sex as she signalled to be a bit cold. i could not really approach her. and of course one of my girlfriends comming very early in the morning and i knew that she sometimes is 20. 30 minutes early. typically for a scientist girl! but i have relation with her and good sex and do not want to ruin that because of this strange 18 year old girl even is she was quite beautiful and sexy. that meant i was not hungry though my brain wanted really to do this hot and strange girl. so i could afford to be a bit arrogant and told her in more firm that that she really should go home and sleep. i offered to call a taxi and pay for the taxi but then she refused and told me she wanted to sleep in my apartment. ok, i thought, initiative back to me. game is played. i told her that if she sleeps in my bed and i next to her it would be impossible for not to have sex with a beautiful girl like her. she got quite big tits btw and a slender body. then she told me that she only want to sleep and no sex. i told her again that if she stays the night with me me i will make love to her. after some talking and all was not clear she said she wanted to sleep and simply walked into my bedroom and lay down on my bed to sleep. i went on after her and lay down next to her and told her that if you sleep here we will have sex. i am a man and i can not resist you. she was very sleepy and did not really respond. so, what do you do? i was next to a hot curvy 18 year old girl that i rank as an 8. darn! well, i thought, that she needs to go home not in order to ruin a good morning shag with one of my girls or she need to spread her legs for me. if the latter version i have to get up early and send my girl a rush sms that we can not meet. i decided to test this 18 year old girl. so i let my hands start to massage her body more and more daring. legs, ass, and finally her breasts were massged and she was fully dressed. i started to kiss her neck as my daring hands massaged her more and more erotic. she was silent and pretended to be either very sleepy or sleep and i knew that. i started to kiss her lips and got into tongue kissing with her finally and i thought, ok this is action! hands went inside under her jumper and found her big tits. i fondled them as we tongue kissed. i asked her is she was awake and she said nothing. i know she was not sleeping. my hands became even more daring and went down her stomach and spread her legs and rubbed her pussy on the outside of her black tights leggings. she did not protest and we kissed. i then proceeded to take her jumper off, and all went fine and then the black tights. off they went and she was only in bra and panties. nice sight! i reached out and gently pulled off her panties. i lay down next to her and got het tits out of her bra and kissed them, sucked her nipples, and my hand started to touch her bare pussy and rub it. i rose a bit and took of my pants and out with my dick and went between her legs in missionary. i started to rub her clitoris with the head of my dick and i thought green light was screaming to me. go on. just as i tried to slide in to her already wet pussy she froze and told me to stop. i was almost shocked. i tried to slide in my dick again into her pussy and she placed her hand in front to stop me and told me again to stop. and i did. i lay next down to her and asked me what the problem was. she told me that she has been acting all the way and that she was an actress sent out by a girl on the internet just to find out if i was shagging other girls. what? i was really surprised. what is this! surely you can't go all this way just to find out that i told her. she told me again it was all acting from her side and it has been proven that i am a bad man and that she will tell the girl from internet. i asked her; which girl is that? she refused to answer me who it was and just told that she was on a mission and now she would tell the other girl interested in me that i am a bad man. i asked, please tell me who this other girl but she refused. she went up and got dressed and told me that she will go home. i told her, fine, no problems, that is what i told you from the start. to go home and sleep. it was around 02. 00 and i called her a taxi and she went home. she even refused to accept money for a taxi. she got me confused as i do not really know which girls that knows the girls i have a relationship with. hmm, really strange story. a thing a belarus hunter has experienced. strange and it did not make sense. and i can't tell which girl because i have contact with so many girls in belarus. none of my regular girls did give the mission, thats for sure. well, well. i thought to my self, be glad i am a nice man, as i easily could have shagged you by force. however thats not the correct way, and i would never do that. it would have felt very bad, but again confused and a bit pissed off with it all. i was close to shagging a real young hottie but got stopped just before entering heaven. cest la vie!
anyway my girl came in morning and she helped me to let me go of my sexual frustation.
to end this i sum up. belarus is belarus. hard times still prevail. i shagged 10 girls in total during my 17 days in belarus. my 3 regular girls on several repeated occassions. 3 new free girls (one which is placed on my keep list. a slim hot 22 year old girl) and my new model sponsorette and my porn princess and her girlfriend (last three includes money and help of course) and lastly one girl that i can not put in to a cathegory. i just shagged her. she wanted a sponsor but never asked for money. after that she asked if i wanted to meet her again.
i also went to club dozari, and it was ok, but not so big as i had expected. but quite fancy and modern and they put on a show. i was there tuesday so that might explain why it was a bit lame. i have heard i should really go there friday or saturday. besides that, almost no clubbing for me. (i had my schedule full). though, i have to say i love going to clubs sometimes to watch the eye candy.
again, i have been two times to club next in the past and it did not do it for me. different people looks for different things. those who wish to go there should do so.
happy hunting fellow punters.
/felix
I'd be happy to pay $500 US for a month for a decently located one bed apartment and with bills included. Doable?IMHO no. Last year I was almost decided for a whole month in Minsk (but finally changed my mind and opted for a cheaper option, Tashkent) , and contacted some agencies with the intention to obtain a good one-month rate. Around 700/800 would have been good, considering that I get a 100 square meter in Tashkent for 500us$. But no way. The lowest I could get was 1300 (for a one bedroom + living room apart on K. Marx street) , which was about a 30% discount compared to the daily rate x 30. And the agency guys were Taliban-esque about the price, there was absolutely no way to lower it further. That said, between 800 and 1200/month seems to be pretty much the current rate in provincial Ukraine also (and I guess that Kiev is more expensive).
A internet contact found me recently a decent studio in Grodno for 14/day (located in center, daily rate, could be negociable for a one month stay) , which is dirt cheap. She evn sent me the pics. I am seriously pondering about it for a spring escape, but still hesitate as weekday nighlife seems rather dull in provinces. What you think about it?
She told me that she has been acting all the way and that she was an actress sent out by a girl on the internet just to find out if I was shagging other girls. What? I was really surprised. What is this! Surely you can't go all this way just to find out that I told her. She told me again it was all acting from her side and it has been proven that I am a bad man and that she will tell the girl from internet. I asked her; Which girl is that? She refused to answer me who it was and just told that she was on a mission and now she would tell the other girl interested in me that I am a bad man. I asked, please tell me who this other girl but she refused. She went up and got dressed and told me that she will go home. I told her, fine, no problems, that is what I told you from the start. To go home and sleep. It was around 02. 00 and I called her a taxi and she went home. She even refused to accept money for a taxi. She got me confused as I do not really know which girls that knows the girls I have a relationship with. Hmm, really strange story. A thing a Belarus hunter has experienced. Strange and it did not make sense.I'm pretty sure you just got played. I'd bet good money she was a virgin, and she made up this story about another girl hiring her in order to see what you said. The correct reaction is "there are no other girls." You basically just admitted you have lots of girlfriends to her, which she probably suspects anyways but you should never say that straightforward like that. You also certainly could have pushed through the barrier, sounds like she just got cold feet at the last minute (something common with virgins or those inexperienced).
No worries though, I'm sure we've all had similar stories. The "get into bed but no sex happens" is something I got used to in the states but I rarely see in Ukraine / Russia / Belarus.
Thanks for an inspired report Felix, it really makes me consider venturing outside of my normal destinations. Taking your new 23 year old model as an example, how much does such a sponsor deal set you back? Also, where do you believe it's best option to find girls, normal dating sites?
/Q
Felix Nordic
02-27-12, 00:53
I'm pretty sure you just got played. I'd bet good money she was a virgin, and she made up this story about another girl hiring her in order to see what you said. The correct reaction is "there are no other girls." You basically just admitted you have lots of girlfriends to her, which she probably suspects anyways but you should never say that straightforward like that. You also certainly could have pushed through the barrier, sounds like she just got cold feet at the last minute (something common with virgins or those inexperienced).
No worries though, I'm sure we've all had similar stories. The "get into bed but no sex happens" is something I got used to in the states but I rarely see in Ukraine / Russia / Belarus.You could be correct that she got cold feet in the end. However she was pushed to the option all the way along to get a taxi and go home as I was not really keen to have her all night due to the risk of an interactment with a regular girl comming in the early morning. I obviuosly told her if she stay the night it would mean sex. I had some girls in the past who wanted to stay the night but refused sex because it was the first meeting but none of them made any story up like this or went all the way to get naked before telling stop. They normally say stop when you try to kiss or undress them or daring touching. This time it was something different, but I am not sure I believe her story. Too risky for a girl to go all that way and the risk of getting shagged anyway. Well, there are a tons of different personalties out there, and not all are Einsteins. Some girls are just that naive and stupid. Well, never mind. Just wanted to tell that unexpected things can happen any one.
/Felix
Felix Nordic
02-27-12, 01:07
Thanks for an inspired report Felix, it really makes me consider venturing outside of my normal destinations. Taking your new 23 year old model as an example, how much does such a sponsor deal set you back? Also, where do you believe it's best option to find girls, normal dating sites?
/QHelle member!
You are welcome man! I am glad to write a report and to contribute.
The "23 year old model" set me back a USD 100 for each 2. 3 hour meeting. With that information given, you have to take the whole context in to consideration. That from the start she was actually quite keen on meeting me and I did treat her well. (charm, respect etc). The "mutual thing" between you and a sponsored girl is THE main thing for your common deal and agreement. Play your cards bad and treat her like low life and it will all be strictly business and a business deal only. Provided she even agrees to meet you. You might get dumped if you are behaving bad. And if you think you can fool a high class sponsor on the first meeting, you might be correct, but she will not meet you for the second time, for sure. A "hooker" will meet you anyway but a "gentle fresh sponsor girl. And those are the gems" is likley to shy away from a rude approach. Be smart and do it well; with respect but not stupid, and you will be rewarded.
/Felix
Tourist support document (voucher) can be had if you ask these guys:
http://angelikaminsk.com/visa.shtml
I usually use their service. What they will issue even for apartments is a phoney voucher saying you will stay in this or that hotel. Use this info when filling in the visa form. (and do not forget to get registred within 5 working days. Or you are a smoked fish) Felix, would you have any info about how to get easily the two monthes visa "for private purpose"?
The invitation or voucher for the one month tourist visa is a priori pretty easy to get through apartment rental companies, but for a two monthes "private purpose" visa, it seems that it's much more complicated if you follow the official requirements (from what I have read, invitation must come from a Belarus citizen through his migration office). Do you think that a company like the one on the link you posted can offer an invitation this type of visa?
A couple of girls caught my eye. On this site.
http://www.holidaysexguide.com/p/belarus.php.
Kati looks hot, but at 150 euro / H/
Natali 100 euro / H.
Anyone here used holidaysex guide anywhere for escorts.
www.MinskNightlife.net.
Seems to be good source of info as well.
Borderland
02-29-12, 12:49
Felix, would you have any info about how to get easily the two monthes visa "for private purpose"?
The invitation or voucher for the one month tourist visa is a priori pretty easy to get through apartment rental companies, but for a two monthes "private purpose" visa, it seems that it's much more complicated if you follow the official requirements (from what I have read, invitation must come from a Belarus citizen through his migration office). Do you think that a company like the one on the link you posted can offer an invitation this type of visa?Hey Prosal,
You can get a private visa and then extend it for two more months. I did this once and stayed for three months. The trouble is getting the private one month visa in the first place. The charity I worked for organised mine for me. Let me try to think of a plan to go about it.
I'm busy now but will respond to your Grodna post later on.
A couple of girls caught my eye. On this site.
http://www.holidaysexguide.com/p/belarus.php.
Kati looks hot, but at 150 euro / H/
Natali 100 euro / H.
Anyone here used holidaysex guide anywhere for escorts.
www.MinskNightlife.net
Seems to be good source of info as well.For the first link, use the Menu to the left and lik o Belarus. , and click under Escorts.
Felix Nordic
02-29-12, 17:13
Felix, would you have any info about how to get easily the two monthes visa "for private purpose"?
The invitation or voucher for the one month tourist visa is a priori pretty easy to get through apartment rental companies, but for a two monthes "private purpose" visa, it seems that it's much more complicated if you follow the official requirements (from what I have read, invitation must come from a Belarus citizen through his migration office). Do you think that a company like the one on the link you posted can offer an invitation this type of visa?Hi Prosal!
I've only done a private visa one time and it was ok as I was not filling in the needed support documents myself. It was for two weeks only. However I remember that it was a real ***** to do the registration one in Belarus. I stayed as guest with a girl in Gomel and it took her a full day to get the registration done of that private visa. Borderland has posted some info about to prolong it. I've never done that so I can't help. Sorry man.
I do not think an agency can help you as thats a private visa but you can always ask. Perhaps they can or give further advice.
I wish it was easier to get a one year business visa. Any one who has done that?
Happy hunting gentlemen.
/Felix
Felix Nordic
02-29-12, 21:37
A couple of girls caught my eye. On this site.
http://www.holidaysexguide.com/p/belarus.php.
Kati looks hot, but at 150 euro / H/
Natali 100 euro / H.
Anyone here used holidaysex guide anywhere for escorts.
www.MinskNightlife.net
Seems to be good source of info as well.Kati looks beautiful, you are correct. Still that says nothing about the service. I would never pay E 150 for an hour anyway. Or even a E 100.
Better deals are to be had if you are prepared to spend a bit of time and effort. Again I can't really understand those who go to Belarus for P4P only. The gems are in the naive "non spoiled" and wonderful amatuer or sponsored girls in this country.
As mentioned in other furums P4P can be an option if you only comes for a weekend and have limited time to find "free" girls. However your wallet will take the pinch and for that value you probably get more for the dollar if you visit a FKK in Germany.
Just my 2 cents.
/Felix
P.s By this I do not wish to seem "like a know it all guy or an expert" but I rather post my policy. Anyway thats just me and how I do it. Others, much more skilled, might do it in a different which is fine. We all have our different way to get the pussy...
Kati looks beautiful, you are correct. Still that says nothing about the service. I would never pay E 150 for an hour anyway. Or even a E 100.
Better deals are to be had if you are prepared to spend a bit of time and effort. Again I can't really understand those who go to Belarus for P4P only. The gems are in the naive "non spoiled" and wonderful amatuer or sponsored girls in this country.
As mentioned in other furums P4P can be an option if you only comes for a weekend and have limited time to find "free" girls. However your wallet will take the pinch and for that value you probably get more for the dollar if you visit a FKK in Germany.
Just my 2 cents.
/Felix.Felix, there is no way I tly my Ass all the way to Minsk or Kiev, and end up paying 150 0r 100 euros an hour.
It defeats the whole object of flying to EE ountries for P4P.
I am always doing some research & comparing pirices, and I would only pay in an EE country, if the girl is better looking and at a lower price to what I currently pay in London or close to it.
Katie on that link caught my eye as a link for escorts that I wasn't aware of.
Here is a link to a blonde english girl that I had the pleasure with at £60 1/2 hour.
http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=257.
Tilly 19 years old () and at £120 an / Hour is cheaper than Katie in Minsk.
In fact in Minsk I didn't end up paying for it, as I landed with 2 gems (students ).
Felix Nordic
03-03-12, 12:25
Felix, there is no way I tly my Ass all the way to Minsk or Kiev, and end up paying 150 0r 100 euros an hour.
It defeats the whole object of flying to EE ountries for P4P.
I am always doing some research & comparing pirices, and I would only pay in an EE country, if the girl is better looking and at a lower price to what I currently pay in London or close to it.
Katie on that link caught my eye as a link for escorts that I wasn't aware of.
Here is a link to a blonde english girl that I had the pleasure with at £60 1/2 hour.
http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=257.
Tilly 19 years old (and at £120 an / Hour is cheaper than Katie in Minsk.
In fact in Minsk I didn't end up paying for it, as I landed with 2 gems (students ).Ok, I understand JoJo! You got the game clear!
I hope you enjoyed you studentkas.
Cheers and happy hunting.
/Felix
Ok, I understand JoJo! You got the game clear!
I hope you enjoyed you studentkas.
Cheers and happy hunting.
/FelixHi Felix. With or without the students, I really enjoyed Minsk.
As you konw it very well, Minsk is a lot different to the other EE mongering destinations.
I don't go anywhere on an Ego trip (Being in the second half of my 40s) , and prefer the less complicated, and even cheaper option of P4P.
The 2 students were in a group outside yublijney Hotel, one of them was a stunning Blonde Girl.
Under the influence of few drinks. I just went up to them and started chatting. Asked them 4 directions 2 Westworld Club. Long Story Short. We met later at the club, and the Blonde & her Brunette Student friend were hanging around with me during my stay.
Had I met them on a P4P situation, it would have been cheaper, but mechanical, who knows.
I am very keen 2 find out if there are any Massage Places in Minsk, Do you know of any?
In Kiev its a great place to meet Students, who moonlight by working there on Weekends & Holidays.
If you hit it with them, you can meet them later.
Much better option & a hell lot nicer than the hardened pros.
Before I forget, the Strip clubs in Minsk were very nice as well. Next time I am in Minsk, iwill try my luck with one of the dancers.
Cheers
Ok, I understand JoJo! You got the game clear!
I hope you enjoyed you studentkas.
Cheers and happy hunting.
/FelixNot promoting London 4 P4P or any particular provider, but in the context of research&price comparison, by using London prices as my benchmark for mongering in other countries.
http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=252.
Here is one girl on my next Hit List. Pixie a Blonde Bulgarian girl at £60 1/2 hour with all services shown.
I WENT ON HOLIDAY to Bulgaria, and did all the scouting there in Sunny Beach & Golden sands.
The going rates were 150 levs an hour (Read One Pop.) & the girls were no where near the above Bulgarian Pixie in London.
Now you jogged my memory. Met in Minsk one very attractive girl who worked for Belarus TV, who was coming over to London. Went with her 4 Dinner in a very nice restaurant, and she mentioned during the course of the conversation about the possibility of her working as an Escort in London? (Read semi Pro) She. Mentioned if 400 euros was ok in London?
JoJo was thinking by now that this girl is not 4 me, so changed the subject to other things, and next day went back to my Students for a New Class in Simplicity in fun when in Minsk.
Felix Nordic
03-04-12, 02:05
Not promoting London 4 P4P or any particular provider, but in the context of research&price comparison, by using London prices as my benchmark for mongering in other countries.
http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=252.
Here is one girl on my next Hit List. Pixie a Blonde Bulgarian girl at £60 1/2 hour with all services shown.
I WENT ON HOLIDAY to Bulgaria, and did all the scouting there in Sunny Beach & Golden sands.
The going rates were 150 levs an hour (Read One Pop.) & the girls were no where near the above Bulgarian Pixie in London.
Now you jogged my memory. Met in Minsk one very attractive girl who worked for Belarus TV, who was coming over to London. Went with her 4 Dinner in a very nice restaurant, and she mentioned during the course of the conversation about the possibility of her working as an Escort in London? (Read semi Pro) She. Mentioned if 400 euros was ok in London?
JoJo was thinking by now that this girl is not 4 me, so changed the subject to other things, and next day went back to my Students for a New Class in Simplicity in fun when in Minsk.JoJo, I am glad you had a good time with the studentkas! Sometimes these casual moments of picking up girls are the best ones. I remeber that two years ago I hit on a stunner in the metro in Minsk. I chased her down and had a hard time with her but I did not give up. It frustrated me a lot to simply date her and drink coffee and talk and hardly even kiss her, even though she was invited to my apartment several times. Other girls I have shagged a lot faster, sometimes on the first meeting as in internet contacts. It took me easily 10 meetings before I got inside her panties. But what a sweet reward when it finally happened! Those who are willing to do a bit of work will in the end get the best results IMHO. Perhaps that is not a good example as a lot of internet finds give it up on the first, or second or third date. But some challenges are good and sometimes you must have THAT girl no matter what it takes. A luxury a man can afford if he comes often to a country like Belarus and if he is lucky. (ok, I worked quite hard for that so perhaps I deserve it, I think). Around Christmas she told me that our relation is finished as she think I am not a serious man. I tried to get her back but she did not answer. Last month I contacted her as I was in Minsk and she told me it is finished and that she has a new boyfriend. I wished her good luck of course. Such is life, but the momories remain.
I would not use that London escort agency as a bench mark for pricing. No way! Western prices and especially in London is one thing and it can not really be compared to EE and especially not Belarus. Only suckers pay London prices for girls in EE (former soviet) IMHO. No insults intended. Please understand.
I'm glad you ditched the TV girl. There are other prospects that will be so much more rewarding.
I have a sponsored girl. 20 years old. She is my porn princess. At the first date she spent the night with me for USD 50 and was happy with that (her friend slept in my sofa). Later I talked her into making a porno video with me and she agreed without a problem. Thats why I name her my porn princess and she is a quite a natural talent in front of the camera. That costs me a USD 100 per 2 to 3 hour meeting including video session. Previously she has brought girlfriends with her that proved to be rather lame in all. Last time she came together with a new girl. Sexy big titted 20 year old girl. We all had fun together and a nice video session. The promised bisexual acts were perhaps not as seen in professional porn videos, and were limited to kissing and light touching and brief pussy eating. But thats what I got. I have to be happy with that and I am.
Oh yeah, what I want to say that it pays to spend time and hunt.
Cheers and happy mongering to all)
/Felix
The links below for London, were meant 4 comparison purposes only.
It doesn't mean that I pay these prices in an EE country.
Comparing Like 4 like, say in Minsk, then I have to adjust it by at least Half.
That said, when I was in Minsk there was a very nice looking WG in the Bar of Planeta Hotel. She wanted US100 for coming back to my room. I didn't pursue it, so I assume it was for short time.
Then you had to pay $20 to security.
In Yubijney Hotel a couple of girls wanted 150 for both of them.
London benchmark is the Max I would pay. If and a big If a real Stunner gets in my way and I am feeling really horny, then I let my Dick do the thinking for me. At the time.
I don't like to bargain with girls, and I would only pay what I can Afford at the time.
Quite honestly I don't think any WG will ask less than US100 in a Club or hotel bar in Minsk.
Oh boys, it seems that Minsk is an extremely difficult place. Price of 100+ is just crazy expensive
Member #4274
03-13-12, 19:19
Oh boys, it seems that Minsk is an extremely difficult place. Price of 100+ is just crazy expensiveFor a hotel? Yes. But you can rent a flat for much cheaper. I prefer a flat, anyway, as it gives you more privacy and you get more of a feeling of what it is like to be a resident of the city.
Felix Nordic
03-15-12, 21:56
3 new free girls (one which is placed on my keep list. A slim hot 22 year old girl)
/FelixPic of the 22 year old brunette from Minsk from late January 2012. Stayed the night with me on the first meeting, but after about one year of contact. Finally met her and was rewarded, but again after a long contact period. Perfectly shaved pussy with just a wee strip of hairs, which tasted good. Did her natural style without condom, without even asking, as it was getting hot.
Second photo is of another freebie, this time from Mamba that I also did in late January. A sweet but more reserved girl. For sure more busty, C tits. She was keen on protection and I agreed, but still enjoyable and she is only 20. She stayed for the evening. Nice food cooked by me and some wine wich helped.
Happy hunting gentlemen.
/Felix
Member #4491
03-17-12, 00:04
Stayed the night with me on the first meeting, but after about one year of contact.Good work, Felix. Do you speak / write some Russian or do you look for English speaking girls?
B.
Pic of the 22 year old brunette from Minsk from late January 2012. Stayed the night with me on the first meeting, but after about one year of contact. Finally met her and was rewarded, but again after a long contact period. Perfectly shaved pussy with just a wee strip of hairs, which tasted good. Did her natural style without condom, without even asking, as it was getting hot.
Second photo is of another freebie, this time from Mamba that I also did in late January. A sweet but more reserved girl. For sure more busty, C tits. She was keen on protection and I agreed, but still enjoyable and she is only 20. She stayed for the evening. Nice food cooked by me and some wine wich helped.
Happy hunting gentlemen.
/FelixWell done, Felix! Congratulations!
Felix Nordic
03-20-12, 21:05
Good work, Felix. Do you speak / write some Russian or do you look for English speaking girls?
B.Hi Barba!
I actually can speak a bit of Russian language but not very good. However it is enough to manage on my own and have a "light" conversation with a girl. It is highly recommended to at least know some basic Russian language or pharses.
Russian language is a very hard one, but it pays off! For me it does not really matter if the girl knows Russian or not, but sure, I prefer a girl that knows english. Some of the best girls are the girls that does not know any english though. It means they are less used to the international scene and its treasures. Another pro of speaking at least a bit of passable Russian. Hence they are often more honest and innocent, but not always as the Moscow or Kiev scene might be valid gold digging grounds for girls.
Would be nice to catch up with you man!
Cheers.
/Felix
Dear Punters,
After prolonged conquest in various parts of the world I've finally made up my mind to jump in to the FSU scene too. FSU beauties arent new to me as they are now travelling to larger parts of the world. But the difference being that they all can speak english. The language was probably the biggest deterrent in having delayed my decision till now. Nevertheless I've overcome language difficulties in french and spanish speaking countries and determined to do it now in Russian speaking countries. I believe I will start this journey of mine with a visit to Minsk in May. Hope to see some of you around.
Cheers,
Mr. Punter
Dear Punters,
After prolonged conquest in various parts of the world I've finally made up my mind to jump in to the FSU scene too. FSU beauties arent new to me as they are now travelling to larger parts of the world. But the difference being that they all can speak english. The language was probably the biggest deterrent in having delayed my decision till now. Nevertheless I've overcome language difficulties in french and spanish speaking countries and determined to do it now in Russian speaking countries. I believe I will start this journey of mine with a visit to Minsk in May. Hope to see some of you around.
Cheers,
Mr. PunterWelcome on board, and hope you report back to us on your Punts.
Good timing before it changes.
Dear Mongers,
Are there any strip clubs in Minsk that offer take-out for sex option like Rio in Kiev or in-house sex option like 911 Aurora in Moscow?
Thanks in advance.
Dear Mongers,
Are there any strip clubs in Minsk that offer take-out for sex option like Rio in Kiev or in-house sex option like 911 Aurora in Moscow?
Thanks in advance.No, Neyit.
But the strip clubs there are good.
Try your luck with a stripper, she might agree to meet you next day.
I always do, and not just in Kiev.
No, Neyit.
But the strip clubs there are good.
Try your luck with a stripper, she might agree to meet you next day.
I always do, and not just in Kiev.Thanks Jojosun.
I will try.
Thanks Jojosun.
I will try..
The above was meant, not just in Minsk.
Try the strip club in the complex of West World Club.
Quite good and reasonable, and you have west world in the same building, full of all kinds of girls.
The above was meant, not just in Minsk.
Try the strip club in the complex of West World Club.
Quite good and reasonable, and you have west world in the same building, full of all kinds of girls.Again thanks Jojosun.
I appreciate very much for your useful information.
Hi, I WILL BE IN MINSK BETWEEN 16 TO 19 APRIL, I like to have a relationship with a Belarus girl in that time, if anybody like please answer me.
Hakan Demir
04-09-12, 14:17
I had been to Dankoff strip club a couple of times which I liked very much and I spent great time &1069; &1088; &1080; &1082; &1072; in the Jacuzzi.
I did not ask for take-out but it was a small club with very nice ladies.
http://www.dankoffclub.by/strip/
Again thanks Jojosun.
I appreciate very much for your useful information.
I had been to Dankoff strip club a couple of times which I liked very much and I spent great time &1069; &1088; &1080; &1082; &1072; in the Jacuzzi.
I did not ask for take-out but it was a small club with very nice ladies.
http://www.dankoffclub.by/strip/.
Thanks Hakan for the above link. Very good tip for Minsk.
I must have missed out on this.
What about the above digits, do you mean the numbers of your posts.
How much did it cost for full sex in the Jacuzzi? . I presume you got F / S?
On my way to Minsk, I was offered Erotic Massage in Cleopatra Strip Club in Vilnius, but I declined, as I was looking for the main course.
Hi, I WILL BE IN MINSK BETWEEN 16 TO 19 APRIL, I like to have a relationship with a Belarus girl in that time, if anybody like please answer me.I woud try travelgirs site. Made some exaiting concats there my self.
I woud try travelgirs site. Made some exaiting concats there my self.Travelgirls is 90% scammers and golddiggers.
Hakan Demir
04-10-12, 10:17
Digits are her name in Russian, I think it was Erica. I don't remember but I paid something like 50$ but not for full sex, CBJ only.
But a friend of mine got full service for 100$, there.
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Thanks Hakan for the above link. Very good tip for Minsk.
I must have missed out on this.
What about the above digits, do you mean the numbers of your posts.
How much did it cost for full sex in the Jacuzzi? . I presume you got F / S?
On my way to Minsk, I was offered Erotic Massage in Cleopatra Strip Club in Vilnius, but I declined, as I was looking for the main course.
Member #4274
04-10-12, 22:12
Travelgirls is 90% scammers and golddiggers.As someone who has used travelgirls before, I would have to agree for the most part. Either girls pretending they are searching for love but really want money for nothing, girls (or someone pretending to be a girl) just wanting to practice their english or a very select few looking for new friends or a sponsor. Save your money.
Thanks for sharing experince thowards travelgirls site guys. Will for sure keep all in mind.
Digits are her name in Russian, I think it was Erica. I don't remember but I paid something like 50$ but not for full sex, CBJ only.
But a friend of mine got full service for 100$, there.Thank You Hakan for this tip. A bonus in a Strip Club.
Hi ISG lovers,
Just a simple report for my Minsk trip;
Basically, I can not give you a lot of info regarding night life of the city. Basically, I could not find a proper chance to visit night clubs. But I will try to tell what I did what I see. In near future I will add several new items as per my experience in Minsk. I ll be here up to end of June-12, If you want to meet up a beer and talk, you are welcome.
Before starting, if you start to contact local people, initially you will be amazed how people know everything about the city entertainment life. Yes gents, so this is the answer;
http://afisha.tut.by/party.php
In this site, they are listing day by day what will be in Minsk. Site is in Russian language but with Google Chrome translation facility, you can translate it to any language. It also shows the addresses of the clubs on a Yandex map (not google maps. Here is kind of Russia ). All addresses of clubs, party info can be found in that site. Not only parties, theaters, concerts, etc. Etc. Very efficient site.
Night Clubs,
Next Club : Nice place, clean bright with lots of foreigner and of course, prostitutes, gold diggers. You have a great chance to find there an english speaking girl. I have no clear idea about the rates but definitely not less than 100 USD / hr. Entrance. 100. 000 rub. Vodka+orange. 60. 000 rubl. Music nice, shows are interesting, They have also strip shows. Place becomes dead around generally after 4. 30 am.
Africa Club : Basically a small student disco. Lots of Teenagers. Entrance. 40. 000 rubl. Vodka+orange. 40. 000 rubl. So, I do not think that, you have a great chance there. When I was there, I met with a 20 year old spinner. But still I think it was a lucky charm. Place become dead after 3. 00 am
West World: Interesting disco, with a 1000 people dance floor. Lots of different people from different economical levels. Entrance 50. 000 rubl. Vodka+orange. 25. 000 rubl. Music really nice. Also that complex has a strip club and casino. So its like entertainment-emotional spa complex for men. Not bad place for hunting.
Dozari : Nowadays, this place is one of the most popular club. A little expensive and they have strict face control at gate. Entrance 130. 000 rubl. Vodka+orange. 80. 000 rubl. Also inside the club, there is another club which is called Mohito. Do not confuse at the gate. They are in same building. Lots of Prostitutes. Dance floor, is not designed well, lots of columns in the middle of the dancing area (Yes I am civil engineer) , this kills the spirit and sight for hunting. Instead of this place, I suggest you Next. It is I think better and cheaper than this. But again, this place is interestingly popular in Belarussian girls world.
RE:Public: Men / Women ratio is bad, however, one nice advantage for this club, it is a little out of center, near metro Kuntshevshina, so basically locals are there. For this reason, if girls understand that you are foreigner, they show great attention to you. It is quite a big place, old factory Russian I think. If you like also trance music, you can listen nice 135bpm loops from talented BL or Russian DJs. Finding the entrance is tricky. It is at the backside of the building. Entrance 40. 000 rubl, Beer and Vodka Orange 20. 000 rubl. When I was there I met with a 18 year old girl. She was amazing.
Airport Cafe: It is kinf of club, restaurant type of place located inside the 1st Minsk airport. Entrance is 50. 000 rubl. I think reservation is required. I was there with my BL friends, so I do not know exactly how the system runs. You can find tons of over 25 year old cougars there. If you know basic Russian, it is very difficult to sleep alone at night. Men / women ratio was on a Saturday night, when I was there 10/80 (5 of the 10 were us). Do not expect a fancy club. Just there you are feeling like king. At every place of the club, you feel the women attention. They try to talk to you. Interesting experience.
In this part, I will give some tricks to ISG lovers who has limited time to find a girl and who wants to find a girl from net.
Generally I suggest people to get some contacts from internet before coming to Minsk. Generally this part of the world, people do not use FB actively. Also another info, if you can speak a little Russian, this gives you enormous advantage on the hunting jungle. Here people generally shy to talk in english or any other foreign language.
Lets start;
If you want a hit and run Mamba is a good choice.
www.love.Rambler.Ru
. In this site, you will find lots of easy girls. Generally they are seeking some sort of sponsors who can support them in daily life financially. With an advance search option, you can search also english speaking girl. But for long term relations, I am not suggesting this site. They may break your heart.
2nd site is,
www.vk.com
This is FB of old CCCP countries. Thousands of ladies are waiting you from all ages, from all socioeconomic levels, from all intellectual levels. This site is highly suggested for the people who are planing to stay longer periods. Also another trick, if you want to find a english speaking girl, just search the girls from linguistic universities, like MGLU. You will 100% get what you are looking for. But you have to keep in your mind that, generally these girls are following 3-date rule. Just invite them to your flat at 3rd date. 90% you will hit the target.
On this part, I will try to give some hints for the people who wants to stay longer periods (More Than 1 month). As you know, everyday clubbing, meaningless sex may kill you. So you decide or want to find a nice clever charming normal belarussian girl with intellectual hobbies. If your answer is Yes, good place to start, theater, and opera ballet theater. Minsk girls die for especially Ballet. Finding tickets for nice places are little difficult. You have to buy tickets 2-3 weeks before. Where you will buy?
http://www.kvitki.by/en/
This is the site you have to use. From there you can buy tickets approximately everything performing in minsk. Site is working great.
So if you have a ticket ballet or theater, just ask any girl out you want to get. She can also be your guide in the city, She can show all interesting parts of the city.
Regards,
Ps. In the city you will observe that most of the blondes are fake, and some of the blue / green eyes are lens.)
Danish Traveler
04-21-12, 16:55
Going home to my fourth trip to Minsk and Belarus tomorrow. This is a very easy and unspoiled country in some ways. There aren't a lot of foreigners here. Not at all like Kiev where you meet foreigners at every corner especially in the center. This means that some of the girls here are really impressed by you. I am going out with a couple of girls who are hosts in tv-shows and a news program. Cool, pretty girls in the early twenties. Who really do not need your money. They just think you are a cool dude, cause you are not like the guys they normally meet.
I have to say that Next is not a normal nightclub and do not agree with Cand. It is basically full of prostitutes and turkish guys. The turkish men makes sure that most of the normal girls of Minsk do not like to go to the club. They have a renome of being very aggressive to the girls, touching and grabbing their asses while they are dancing and asking eaven the normal girls if they want to go to the room. The turkish guys here in Minsk have such a bad reputation that most of the other nightclubs in Minsk have a strict no turkish men allowed inside. The nightclubs get constant complains about them from the girls. I even saw one place that they had a sign on the door, with turkish written and a red line over. Like a no smoker sign. I am really sad to say this. I have met tons of cool turkish guys. But here they just got flooded with the bad apples.
Africa I had some great experiences ad. It is mostly full of girls in the 18-20 year old category. But some are really hot. And you can easily get to talk to them if you buy them a cocktail. It is totally right that most girls like three-four dates before you get into the panties. But I had quite of luck in such student bars with giving the girls a couple of cocktails, talking with them for an hour and then invite them for sushi at my place. Especially if they can take an girlfriend along a lot of them will say yes. And there you have a high percentage chance of sex even though you just met her. Had three girls all 18-19 year olds from Minsk in such ways.
Met an internet contact too on this trip at Grand cafe at 23. 00 for a drink on a Tuesday. A model 180 cm. And super cool. At 24. 00 she really wanted pizza. We could not find any open places, so I suggested we went to my place and ordered. She ended up staying the night. And yes plenty of sex. For the price of a pizza and a cola. Maybe 15 dollars. She was from a rich family, had her own car, iPhone and hundreds of dresses if you should believe her own words. She just found you a cool guy cause you are a foreigner.
Another student bar is called Fashion Club. R'and'B bar. A little more upscale than Africa. But similar audience.
Overtime. They often do not let foreigners in at all. But I go there with belarussian friends. Prices are low. A beer 20-25. 000 rubles. A drink. Maybe 50. 000. Some really hot once there.
If you want to impress a girl take her to a place like Grand Cafe. A cool 50's cafe, with jazz music and a very hip crowd. Almost more foreigners there than local. But here you see some of the hottest girls in Minsk. It is upscale and a little expensive for Minsk. But you could have a meal for 100 dollars or so. Tapas Bar, News Cafe and Bistro de Luxe are owned by the same man and have all western quality and service, which is a rare thing in Minsk.
Newmans. Is the best steak house in Minsk.
Spa Emugua is a really good massagespot. It is at the same place as Dankoff Club the best strip bar in Minsk. The quality and facilities are really nice. There are four girls working there from 19-22 years old. I was told that two of them do extra services, like if you order a tantra massage. I just had the normal massage, which was really nice for an hour. Cost was 250. 000 rubles. Or around 30 dollars. Do not know the price for extra services. Maybe the double. You could ask.
Stripbars are a really good deal here in Minsk. Only few girls would be interested in sex. This is not Rio. But after they dance they come over and give you a lap dance each girl and most places you can touch everywhere. You should give them a tip of 50. 000 rubles aka five dollars for the girl. There are two-three at the many hotels at Nemiga, one at Hotel Minsk, one Dankoff Club and one in the same place of West World Club. Entrance is maybe 150. 000 rubles or so. Have not been to any on this trip though.
In general most girls are very open to meet with you. Even a lot of the model types that you see constantly in Minsk. And really there is no need for internet contacts. You could just stop them in the street and start to talk with them, they actually like this. Start with asking for directions. And after five minutes you could ask for number and ask her out for coffee. You will be surprised how many will say yes.
All the sexualdetails about my encounters I will not say. It is really none of your business. But I am not complaining.
I am traveling home tomorrow, but am more than willing to meet up here or in Kiev where I come often too.
Member #4243
04-22-12, 03:55
Just completed a tour of fkk clubs in germany and still looking for a new experience. Have read many forums and have come up with an interesting idea for minsk. My background is that I'm in my thirties born in england and of egyptian parents but basically more british. I read about the arabic mongers at next bar which gave me an idea. Tourist visas for brits seem very easy to come by in addition to dirt cheap lufthansa flights to minsk via frankfurt. All of this gave me an idea; ; supposing I was ready to splash out on a room at the crowne plaza minsk I would then surely be right where the next club is and I have read there are many many hot hookers there all nights of the week? Firstly could someone tell me if this is still true. Secondly I would only be in minsk theoretically at the moment for a week and would just want to concentrate on the hottest pfp options am I right in saying next is a sure bet? Young attractive model types etc. Finally as a guest at the hotel and dressed smartly could I just walk in and buy a drink without table charges and just sit at any chair without extra charges. I feel I could blend in easily as I look arabic if you get me. In terms of girls at next are they young attractive and would it be a simple matter of picking what I want talking them to my room and repeating whenever I wanted with no security man tips etc as I am a hotel guest or am I wrong. I have read the cost is about 100 dollars now is that short term and what would a full night cost say? Focusing fully on this idea to go wild at next for a week any responses to the above would be greatly received especially regarding girl and club costs and whether it is realistic.
Many thanks
Member #4274
04-24-12, 08:45
Just completed a tour of fkk clubs in germany and still looking for a new experience. Have read many forums and have come up with an interesting idea for minsk. My background is that I'm in my thirties born in england and of egyptian parents but basically more british. I read about the arabic mongers at next bar which gave me an idea. Tourist visas for brits seem very easy to come by in addition to dirt cheap lufthansa flights to minsk via frankfurt. All of this gave me an idea; ; supposing I was ready to splash out on a room at the crowne plaza minsk I would then surely be right where the next club is and I have read there are many many hot hookers there all nights of the week? Firstly could someone tell me if this is still true. Secondly I would only be in minsk theoretically at the moment for a week and would just want to concentrate on the hottest pfp options am I right in saying next is a sure bet? Young attractive model types etc. Finally as a guest at the hotel and dressed smartly could I just walk in and buy a drink without table charges and just sit at any chair without extra charges. I feel I could blend in easily as I look arabic if you get me. In terms of girls at next are they young attractive and would it be a simple matter of picking what I want talking them to my room and repeating whenever I wanted with no security man tips etc as I am a hotel guest or am I wrong. I have read the cost is about 100 dollars now is that short term and what would a full night cost say? Focusing fully on this idea to go wild at next for a week any responses to the above would be greatly received especially regarding girl and club costs and whether it is realistic.
Many thanksI am not sure if this post is serious or not. If its meant to be a joke its actually quite funny and I laughed out loud when I read it. If it is meant to be serious then please give me some warning before you arrive in Minsk so I can get out of Belarus as fast as humanly possible.
Member #4243
04-24-12, 10:17
Actually I'm completely serious. I'm just waiting to see if fellow members think that such a plan is flawed and why or if it could actually work?
Gents,
Last Saturday, I was out with Danish Traveller. Together we checked couple of places. By the was this week in Belarus, there was 4 day long nice vacation, from Friday to Tuesday.
Dozari / Mohito : Saturday, entrance : 150. 000, beer 90. 000. If you want to spend huge amount of money, this place is good start. You can find lots of nice looking gold diggers there. As I wrote before, I do not like the clubs because of the columns, they cut the scenery.
Africa : : entrance : 50. 000, beer 40. 000 Mohito / Cocktails : 80. 000, That night around 2. 00 club was full with nice looking student type girls. Especially if you think that you can dance well and get attention, this is the place. But again, club is not so fancy.
Madison : : entrance : 120. 000, Beer: 80. 000, place was dead at 4. 00 Saturday night. There I saw one of my friend, he told me the peak hours of the club is BTW 2 to 4. If somebody wants to see the action, it is suggested timeline. After 4. 00, place was totally dead.
Sunday Night, This time I was alone;
Max Show : : entrance : 40. 000, Vodka apple juice. 20. 000, glass of wine : 50. 000. It is a famous club for the Arabic oriented gents. Especially at the bar on the left hand side, you will see their empire. They are just touching, grabbing girls' asses there. That night place was full but, my opinion, if you do not have mush time in minsk, it is waste of time. Quality of the girls were awful. That night, I met there with a very nice lady from Brest. I strongly believe that she is a nice escort. She told me she is in cosmetic industry, also with in 2-3 days she is going to istanbul to visit a "friend". For 1 week Then 3rd of may she ll be here again. She is 175, slim, blue eyes, Dark long hair. I ve no idea about her bed performance, I am not interested to sleep with a call girls in Minsk. English is not working in this club. Russian is a "+" for you.
Monday Night, This time again I was alone;
Alcatraz : : entrance : 30. 000, Vodka apple juice. 20. 000 Carlsberg 21. 000, Quality of girls were better than Max Show. Mainly locals, I spotted couple of Turkish gents there also. Also in that club, I met with some Girls form Cuba. They are dancers, and working at Circus. They are really pretty dancers with athletic bodies. They told me Circus is not working on Tuesdays, so I think you can spot them on Monday nights at the clubs near to Circus. I was not my mood so I did not pay so much attention to them. But after me, I saw them wtih couple of rich-look Russian guys. I think these girls are doing some business there. English is not working in this club also. Russian is a +. But there is a hint. In that club mainly DJ's prefer english songs, so just read the lips of the girls, if you feel that she knows the song, definitely she can speak also english.) With that trick I met with a 23 year old nice girl who works as an interpreter. During long 3 hrs chatting, She only drank water, But then, she came to me as a "guest" and it was quite good. She is 175/60-65 kg. She has pretty sexy baby face with shiny blue eyes and curly dark hair and really fresh titties and amazing curvy ass.
Dozari / Mohito : Saturday, entrance : 150. 000, beer 90. 000. If you want to spend huge amount of money, this place is good start.Some 15 entrance and 9 for a beer isn't cheap, for a country where the average wage has decreased to 135us$ after the two recent brutal devaluations. How a non-sponsored girl can afford to frequent this place?
Some 15 entrance and 9 for a beer isn't cheap, for a country where the average wage has decreased to 135us$ after the two recent brutal devaluations. How a non-sponsored girl can afford to frequent this place?Yes, it is like differential equations. Numbers are not fitting but there is a reality. Interestingly this place is very popular among the girls. For me, that place is crap, unnecessary expensive. Aprox. All girls are gold diggers, prostitutes. They are basically searching a rich Russian who came to minsk for casinos. You are telling that entrance 15 EUR. If you see that girls, all of them have brand new iphone 4Gs, nice expensive handbags. You may think that they are richer than you, maybe it is.
So again, if you have good amount of money to spend girls, booze, that place is nice spot to find nice good looking girls, and expensive booze.
Some 15 entrance and 9 for a beer isn't cheap, for a country where the average wage has decreased to 135us$ after the two recent brutal devaluations. How a non-sponsored girl can afford to frequent this place?Yes, it is like high-order differential equations. Difficult to find exact solution. Yes numbers are not fitting but there is a reality.
Interestingly this place is very popular among the girls. For me, that place is crap, unnecessary expensive.
Aprox. All girls are gold diggers, prostitutes, (yes there might be some frendly girls but they are negligible.). They are basically searching a rich Russian guy who come to minsk regularly for casinos. You are telling that entrance 15 EUR. If you see that girls, all of them have brand new iphone 4Gs, nice expensive handbags. You may think that they are richer than you, maybe it is.
So again, if you have good amount of money to spend girls, prostitutes I mean, and unnecessarily expensive booze, that place is nice spot to find nice good looking girls, and expensive booze.)
Member #4274
04-26-12, 07:52
Privet from Minsk!
Having flown 10, 000 km from Western Canada I arrived at Minsk-2 last week, the airport in the capital of the Belarus, my favorite mongering destination. The first few days I spent meeting with Belarusian friends, registering with the police and attempting to adjust to the 9-hour time difference which proved daunting. However, it was great to be back in Minsk and I quickly re-introduced myself to the city. Now, at the end of my first week of a month long sojourn, I have something to report.
The first woman I met in Minsk was Keyt, the beautiful 21-year studentka I sponsored last fall during my first visit to Belarus. She met me for lunch at Boulevard Cafe and brought me a sim card with enough credits to last me my entire stay. I presented her a bottle of Versace 'Bright Crystal' perfume that was recommended I buy as a gift by a sexy Russian girl I knew in Canada. Keyt was pleased and after dinner we went for a walk on Karl Marx Avenue. As we walked I allowed her to wander ahead of me a few times and admired her. Keyt has that perfect blend of tall, lean figure coupled with a wonderfully round ass. As we walked she told me how she was invited to a friend's birthday party at the exclusive Dozari night club that weekend but was worried she could not go as she had no money. I took the hint. I asked her how much she needed and she retorted immediately '100 USD'. I told her I had the money at my flat on Lenin Street and if she accompanied me there I would get it for her. She took the hint. A few hours later, with a crisp Ben Franklin placed in her hand bag, Keyt asked me, in her slightly British accent, if I was going to date any other girls while I was in Minsk. I kissed her shoulder her and reassured her she was the only girl for me. She smiled, wiggled her perfect ass into my groin and fell asleep for a few hours.
The next day I met Anya, an 18-year old who studied something or other at BSU. I say something or other as I soon discovered she could barely speak English. Actually, it wasn't English but rather Russ-English and through hand gestures, smiles and broken words I tried to have a conversation with her at My English Granny Cafe. I soon discovered it would be impossible to attempt discussing sponsorship with her. When I asked her how it was she had been speaking with me in English on the internet site we met on and later vkontakte for the previous three weeks, 'Google translator' was what she said through her perfect smile. Still, she had a pretty face, lovely eyes and a wonderful rack hidden under a tight fitted, black turtle neck. I told her I would send her an email on vkontakte when I got back to my flat and did so detailing how I was attracted to her and wanted to sponsor her. She immediately asked me for 1. 5 million BYR (185 USD) to buy a pair of shoes she said were 'haunting her in her dreams'. I thought the price steep for Minsk standards but I was admittedly charmed by her request and her beautiful little body. I agreed and within an hour she was strutting naked in my flat. Anya was the perfect mix of confidence and passiveness I prefer in a lover. Her breasts were unstoppable. Afterwards I asked her, through Google translator on my laptop, what she needed the shoes for. She said she was going to a birthday party the following night at Dozari night club. I stopped myself from laughing out loud and patted her pretty head. I wondered if she and Keyt were going to the same party.
Anyway, I have three weeks left in Minsk and some girls lined up for the weekend. I will report Monday on this weekend's activity!
Hi Danish Traveler and canadianboy.
You guys have lots of experience about Minsk.
Can you please tell me which is the main street and shopping mall to meet beautiful students or girls?
Thanks,
Naykan
Member #4274
04-26-12, 19:19
Hi Danish Traveler and canadianboy.
You guys have lots of experience about Minsk.
Can you please tell me which is the main street and shopping mall to meet beautiful students or girls?
Thanks,
NaykanAny street on Minsk is a great street! Seriously, I can name 10 that have hotties walking on them all afternoon and evening. Off the top of my head, Lenin, Pobedetely, Nezavisimosti, Karl Marx, Nemiga, etc. I was sitting at Boulevard Cafe this evening on the balcony and in 40 minutes I counted 40 girls I would like to get to know better and that is on Engels street, I think. As for malls, I am not so sure. I have been to many malls in Minsk and they are hit and miss depending on the time of the day. Capital Mall in the city center is not a great mall but there is a lot of traffic going through it plus there is a large walking and sitting area around Independence Square which attracts a lot of people. My favorite mall is Bigz Mall and I know a few studentka's who love Europa Mall. I prefer to take a sponsor there and buy her something nice rather than hunt. However, all the power to you! Let us know how you make out.
Member #4274
04-29-12, 21:45
Friday night I was supposed to meet with a studentka I made contact with off of vkontakte in early March. Liza is a tall, pretty young woman with olive colored skin and a wonderful set of thick lips. She made it very clear to me that she was interested in being sponsored but that nothing would happen between us until she felt comfortable with me. The fact she was a real Belarusian beauty off about 19-years was enough to convince me to be patient and show her a good time. That coupled with a much anticipated Saturday afternoon appointment at my flat with another studentka named Masha I had met off vkontakte was enough to convince me to wait. We were suppose to meet outside of Hotel Europa and take a taxi to Black Door Club. However, Liza sent me an SMS asking me to reschedule for Sunday as she had a plethora of school work to finish. I told her it was no problem but if she was serious about my sponsoring her we would most certainly have to meet on Sunday.
Instead, I went for a walk along Nezavisimosti Avenue when I decided to stop at a cafe behind St. Simeon and St. Helen Roman Catholic Church or, better known as the 'Red Church'. It was hot and I was craving a cold scotch and soda. Keyt had brought me to this cafe last fall when I first visited Minsk. I sat down and the waitress, a young, pretty woman in a short skirt and fishnet stockings came to my table. To my surprise she spoke English quite well and I ordered. After a few minutes she appeared with the drink.
'What's your name? '
'Diana'
'Are you a student? '
'Yes'
'What do you study? '
'I am at BSU'
'OK'
'You are from America? '
'Yes, I'm Canadian'
Diana had black hair, blue eyes and a nice smile for any time of day.
'Diana, do you have a boyfriend'
'A boyfriend? '
'Yes'
'Sort of, I guess' She said, turning her head to look at a group of youths passing by.
'That's a shame. You're very pretty'
'Well, we are not together now'
'I would like to buy you dinner at Grand Cafe sometime'
'OK'
'Have you been to Grand Cafe? '
'No, but I would like'
I asked for the bill and wrote my number on it. I was careful to leave a generous tip.
'Send me an SMS, Diana'
'You will take me to Grand Cafe? '
'If you want'
'I do' she smiled.
'OK'
I walked home enjoying how the scotch took me and thought about my vist from Masha the following afternoon.
Member #4274
04-29-12, 22:22
I had an appointment with Masha early Saturday afternoon at my flat on Lenin. Masha was an 18-year old I had met off of vkontakte. At first I thought she was 21 or 22 but she assured me she was 18. Masha could barely speak a word of English but after sending numerous emails to each other using Google translator and over vkontakte we decided upon a two hour visit at my flat. Originally we agreed upon 100 USD for two hours a wonderful rate considering how sexy she looked in her pictures. However, I made an error when asking if she wanted to be paid in American or Belarusian currency and she suddenly demanded 1 million BYR, which works out to be 125 USD. As I was eager to meet her and begin regular visits from her, I did not haggle and figured 125 USD would be well worth it if she were as attractive in person as her pictures. We agreed to meet at 14:00 in front of Grand Cafe.
At about 13:00 I was sitting on my couch reading 'The Maltese Falcon' by Dashiell Hammett when my mobile began to buzz. It was Masha.
'Hello? '
'Privet! Masha, Masha! ' was all she said. I laughed.
'Masha, are you at Grand Cafe? '
'Da, Grand Cafe! '
'OK'
I quickly got dressed, sprayed myself with Chanel 'Allure' and raced down to Grand Cafe. I found Masha standing in the shade sipping from a bottle of Bonaqua. She looked sexy in her tight blue jeans, black tank top and black heels. In heels she was about 176 cm tall and had a wonderful round ass.
'Privet! ' 'Privet! '
'Welcome to Belarus' she said.
We got to into my flat and we spoke through Google translator on my laptop. She told me she loved my flat and thought I looked much younger than 38-years. She also said her parents were divorced and she lived with her mother and sister. I had seen pictures of her sister on vkontakte and she was equally as pretty as Masha.
I counted twenty 50, 000 blue BYR notes and Masha went to shower. 5-minutes later she bounced into my bedroom wearing nothing but black, g-string underwear and an honest smile. Masha did not disappoint and proved a hard worker. Her beautiful young lean body kept me entertained for the next two hours.
Afterwards we decided we enjoyed our time together and agreed to meet later that week. I asked her if she had any other sponsors and she replied she did not and didn't even have a boyfriend, to my surprise. When I told her she could be truthful with me as it would not change my wanting to meet with her she reassured me this was her first time with a sponsor. Admittedly I was pleased.
Later that night I got a message on vkontakte from her.
'It was nice meeting you today'
'You too' I replied.
I went to sleep that night thinking about my meeting with Liza the following day.
Gents,
Another place, just to warn you.
Welcome : I checked this place because it is not far from my flat. Still I am thinking that my region have great potential about the young people and still I have a hope that if I can find a nice restourant or club, I will be so lucky. For this reason, I try some unknown places to find secret gems. Last Saturday I checked that place. Entrance 30. 000, beer or Vodka orange / apple juice or Cola. 20. 000. Environment, waste of time. Do not think this place even exist.
Pokemon666
05-06-12, 16:51
Hi there guys,
Regarding Dozari and other odd scenes in Minsk, you have to understand something: they are totally obsessed with money and the image of money. I live in Vilnius, Lithuania. A good shopping basket at large supermarkets is some 65 litas (around 18 euro) as per the respective marketing departments. On the other hand, the same people who seem to be eating pasta and potatoes all month long drive cars worth 60-70000 euro when brand new. In general terms, they but them second hand from Germany or the US but they will hardly pay less than 20k euro. The more you move east, the less "European" and more "Russian" they are, Moscow and Kiev being the pinnacles of pretentiousness and flashing. Minsk is moving in that direction. Mind that with internet girls have access to "generous" guys from Turkey and Egypt who seem to be willing to pay for holidays and other entertaining. And we always have the Russians who are extremely prone to pour large amounts of cash on any young ass whom they like.
Regarding vkontakte and the Canadian chap around here, leaving aside the fact that his stories sound a bit like a national tourism agency undercover promotion gig or a flat rental agency viral campaign (the "studentska" thing starts sounding a bit creepy after a while) , I wonder how it is possible to contact girls so easily when actually the famous vkontakte is just a Russian speaking Facebook and girls tend to have in between 1000 and 20000 followers (yes, wankers everywhere.). And the site in question does not contain (like mamba. Ru for example) explicit reference to sponsorship or "sex for money" which makes the search an extremely burdensome task. But hey, I might be missing something.
All in all, not that easy to find girls in Minsk even if the city is 4 times bigger than Vilnius for example. Language issues and a lot of attitude among the ones who perceive themselves as good looking. Many of them come to Vilnius for weekends and the "Iphone and I am so hot" game seems to be a 24/7 issue. On the other hand, it is not that easy to find the 75 for 2-3 hours deals on the EU side of the border. More of the 120 for 2 hours (non pro) and I guess that makes Minsk an interesting adventure.
Member #4274
05-06-12, 19:38
Hi there guys,
Regarding Dozari and other odd scenes in Minsk, you have to understand something: they are totally obsessed with money and the image of money. I live in Vilnius, Lithuania. A good shopping basket at large supermarkets is some 65 litas (around 18 euro) as per the respective marketing departments. On the other hand, the same people who seem to be eating pasta and potatoes all month long drive cars worth 60-70000 euro when brand new. In general terms, they but them second hand from Germany or the US but they will hardly pay less than 20k euro. The more you move east, the less "European" and more "Russian" they are, Moscow and Kiev being the pinnacles of pretentiousness and flashing. Minsk is moving in that direction. Mind that with internet girls have access to "generous" guys from Turkey and Egypt who seem to be willing to pay for holidays and other entertaining. And we always have the Russians who are extremely prone to pour large amounts of cash on any young ass whom they like.
Regarding vkontakte and the Canadian chap around here, leaving aside the fact that his stories sound a bit like a national tourism agency undercover promotion gig or a flat rental agency viral campaign (the "studentska" thing starts sounding a bit creepy after a while) , I wonder how it is possible to contact girls so easily when actually the famous vkontakte is just a Russian speaking Facebook and girls tend to have in between 1000 and 20000 followers (yes, wankers everywhere.). And the site in question does not contain (like mamba. Ru for example) explicit reference to sponsorship or "sex for money" which makes the search an extremely burdensome task. But hey, I might be missing something.
All in all, not that easy to find girls in Minsk even if the city is 4 times bigger than Vilnius for example. Language issues and a lot of attitude among the ones who perceive themselves as good looking. Many of them come to Vilnius for weekends and the "Iphone and I am so hot" game seems to be a 24/7 issue. On the other hand, it is not that easy to find the 75 for 2-3 hours deals on the EU side of the border. More of the 120 for 2 hours (non pro) and I guess that makes Minsk an interesting adventure.OK, where do I begin? First of all, I used numerous sites to try to meet girls in Minsk and unexpectedly I found vkontakte to be the best one. I don't know why, it just turned out that way. With a little patience and numerous attempts I have met a few girls off the site looking for a sponsor and even a freebie which I am currently enjoying. Obviously there is no search option on vkontakte regarding sponsorship but that does not mean you can't find them. In fact, many girls on mamba post that they are NOT searching for a sponsor but in fact they are and only state they are not in case a friend or relative happens upon their profile. Nothing on the internet is as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Sure, I had many women ignore me or return my emails with less than flattering responses on vkontakte. However, in six weeks I added 50+ women onto my vkontakte and at least 8 were women I contacted on the site and after a few conversations asked if they were interested in a sponsor in which they were opened to it.
As for your statement that 'All in all it is not that easy to find girls in Minsk even in a city 4 times bigger than Vilnius' could not possibly be more false. In fact, it has to be the most false statement I have read on this forum in a long time. Have you actually been to Minsk? I have met over a dozen girls in Minsk over the past 20 days for a variety of reasons. It's not difficult to meet girls here at all. Sure, the majority don't speak a competent level of English but, as my post about Masha indicates; if you are inviting a young woman over to your flat for sex then a common language is not necessary. That's what Google translator is for.
However, there are many women who live in Minsk that do speak English and with a little work on the internet one can find them. If you can't meet them then it's time for you to look in the mirror. You might be the problem. I don't know who you are but women typically don't want to meet some fat, boorish man who dresses like crap in his pictures.
Now, as for your personal attack upon me. No, I don't work for an apartment rental agency. That's ludicrous. I am an educated and competent person and enjoy relating my stories on this site with some intelligence and originality. I have been reading and learning off of this site for one year and have always appreciated the stories people post (especially when they put a little effort into them) and told myself I should return the favor. I like to write and relate my experiences and if you don't like it then go read the plane crash that is the Kiev forum right now.
Lastly, you have made 4 posts to your credit on this site. You should try and actually add something to this forum before you come in blindly and start shooting your mouth off. Clearly you know nothing about me or Minsk. Stick to Vilnius, chap.
Pokemon666
05-06-12, 20:11
let me see. hmmm. well, i have to say that i have been to minsk. actually before moving to vilnius, i used to live in stockholm and for work reasons i had to travel to minsk at least once per month. once in vilnius. let me think, i travel to minsk once every 2 months. and with the new visa policy (they call it shopping weekend visa) , girls from by travel over the border to part in vilnius.
as i said, i am sure i am missing something here. i will have to be more patient online then. i admit that i get bored relatively easily on chatting / dating sites and that might be the problem.
again the national tourism agency speech. come meet our chicks! . the problem here is very simple. there is no proof of what you say, there are no pics of you anywhere, there are no pics of the girls anywhere. basically it is impossible to assess your "beauty", the level of girls you meet, etc. so let's not start arguing like small bitches here. you have your opinion, i have mine, you express yours and i express mine. that is all.
dressed like crap? that was cute. very fashionista / blogger type of comment. again, read the paragraph above. since we do not have real life reference, it is better to keep our respective mouths shut when it comes to physical appearance and style.
regarding amount of posts, again we are just expressing opinions since we cannot bring hard evidence onto this kind of forum. and as opinions, a post posted by someone who has posted just 1 has the same potential informative value as anything posted by a 10000 posts guy.
hmmm. perhaps mr. well dressed magnetic womaniser should help me stick to vilnius if he is not able to accept discordant opinions and a slight touch of criticism. i am open to suggestions. i remember i had a canadian nanny when i was a kid and i had the impression that was the tolerant laid back quasi european chunk of north america. but hey. who knows?
we are here to exchange information. i have done it on the vilnius forum and on this forum. information is subjective obviously and as such we should be intelligent enough as to accept discrepancy.
ok, where do i begin? first of all, i used numerous sites to try to meet girls in minsk and unexpectedly i found vkontakte to be the best one. i don't know why, it just turned out that way. with a little patience and numerous attempts i have met a few girls off the site looking for a sponsor and even a freebie which i am currently enjoying. obviously there is no search option on vkontakte regarding sponsorship but that does not mean you can't find them. in fact, many girls on mamba post that they are not searching for a sponsor but in fact they are and only state they are not in case a friend or relative happens upon their profile. nothing on the internet is as clear cut as you seem to think it is. sure, i had many women ignore me or return my emails with less than flattering responses on vkontakte. however, in six weeks i added 50+ women onto my vkontakte and at least 8 were women i contacted on the site and after a few conversations asked if they were interested in a sponsor in which they were opened to it.
as for your statement that 'all in all it is not that easy to find girls in minsk even in a city 4 times bigger than vilnius' could not possibly be more false. in fact, it has to be the most false statement i have read on this forum in a long time. have you actually been to minsk? i have met over a dozen girls in minsk over the past 20 days for a variety of reasons. it's not difficult to meet girls here at all. sure, the majority don't speak a competent level of english but, as my post about masha indicates; if you are inviting a young woman over to your flat for sex then a common language is not necessary. that's what google translator is for.
however, there are many women who live in minsk that do speak english and with a little work on the internet one can find them. if you can't meet them then it's time for you to look in the mirror. you might be the problem. i don't know who you are but women typically don't want to meet some fat, boorish man who dresses like crap in his pictures.
now, as for your personal attack upon me. no, i don't work for an apartment rental agency. that's ludicrous. i am an educated and competent person and enjoy relating my stories on this site with some intelligence and originality. i have been reading and learning off of this site for one year and have always appreciated the stories people post (especially when they put a little effort into them) and told myself i should return the favor. i like to write and relate my experiences and if you don't like it then go read the plane crash that is the kiev forum right now.
lastly, you have made 4 posts to your credit on this site. you should try and actually add something to this forum before you come in blindly and start shooting your mouth off. clearly you know nothing about me or minsk. stick to vilnius, chap.
Pokemon666
05-06-12, 20:15
Now that I am thinking. Do NOT misunderstand mind at all. I am not claiming that Vilnius is better in any way than Minsk. Not at all. And I am not advising anyone to come here. The only advantage I think of is that visa is not required for at least EU citizens.
OK, where do I begin? First of all, I used numerous sites to try to meet girls in Minsk and unexpectedly I found vkontakte to be the best one. I don't know why, it just turned out that way. With a little patience and numerous attempts I have met a few girls off the site looking for a sponsor and even a freebie which I am currently enjoying. Obviously there is no search option on vkontakte regarding sponsorship but that does not mean you can't find them. In fact, many girls on mamba post that they are NOT searching for a sponsor but in fact they are and only state they are not in case a friend or relative happens upon their profile. Nothing on the internet is as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Sure, I had many women ignore me or return my emails with less than flattering responses on vkontakte. However, in six weeks I added 50+ women onto my vkontakte and at least 8 were women I contacted on the site and after a few conversations asked if they were interested in a sponsor in which they were opened to it.
As for your statement that 'All in all it is not that easy to find girls in Minsk even in a city 4 times bigger than Vilnius' could not possibly be more false. In fact, it has to be the most false statement I have read on this forum in a long time. Have you actually been to Minsk? I have met over a dozen girls in Minsk over the past 20 days for a variety of reasons. It's not difficult to meet girls here at all. Sure, the majority don't speak a competent level of English but, as my post about Masha indicates; if you are inviting a young woman over to your flat for sex then a common language is not necessary. That's what Google translator is for.Hello CB! Why Minsk and not Kiev? Is it really worth the visa trouble and that cold isolated feeling of visiting a dictatorship?
Member #4274
05-06-12, 22:45
Hello CB! Why Minsk and not Kiev? Is it really worth the visa trouble and that cold isolated feeling of visiting a dictatorship?Hey Climax,
You know, I have spent time in both cities and while there is a lot of appeal in Kiev, I simply prefer Minsk. No doubt Minsk is a strange city and Belarus an unusual country for Europe but I like it here. You have to come with a pioneer spirit and a lot of patience. However, Minsk is safe, clean, cheap and the people are more trustworthy on a day-to-day basis than Ukrainians. In the city center, anyway. There is a lot less English spoken in Minsk compared to Kiev and there are more beautiful women in Kiev than Minsk but the plus side is that Belarus has not been corrupted / exposed by the west like Ukraine has. As for the visa, yes, its a pain in the behind and expensive (180 Euro for us North Americans) but its not so bad. As my Belarusian friends say to me 'Its 100 times easier for you to get a visa to Belarus then for us to get a visa to Canada' and they are right. I cannot deny there is a feeling of oppression here in Minsk and as someone from the west it is a very uncomfortable and peculiar feeling to be sure.
There is a lot more I could write on the subject of comparing Minsk to Kiev but in truth I really want Minsk and Belarus to remain as it is; an unpopular destination for foreigners.
Member #4491
05-07-12, 01:13
There is a lot more I could write on the subject of comparing Minsk to Kiev but in truth I really want Minsk and Belarus to remain as it is; an unpopular destination for foreigners.Thank you for paying back your knowledge debt to ISG, CB. It is now fully paid and no more commercials, I mean reports are needed. Blink.
I was once in Minsk and loved it, even though I did not meet any woman. But I agree totally that it is different in some strange indescribable way. Like a time capsule, but where just 50% of the world got stuck in history and the rest made it to iPhone age. As long as you do not enter politics you are quite safe though. Hope to find time to catch up with you CB on your Belorussian adventures.
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Pokemon666
05-07-12, 06:38
Let's see if we can produce some usable info here. Mamba and Badoo are easy to use and things are pretty straightforward. Now let's explore vkontakte. Once you are done with your profile, you start searching. And that is when the hard work starts. Options available: country, city, age range, gender, relationship status (perhaps actively searching is the best option?). The other options are just filling.
Once you have your options ready, you tick the box "online now" and a list of young ladies pops up. Browsing, browsing. Hmmm. Most of the girls have only the option "add to friends" which most probably is a waste of time for you and just boosts their self confidence. Most girls have at least 1000 followers so you become a drop in an ocean. And then few girls have the option "send a message", that could help communicate. But then you have to find the ones who speak English or at least want to make the effort to use Google Translate.
Has anyone anything that could be helpful in this respect? Vkontakte as a useful key to eternal love.
Member #4274
05-08-12, 09:58
Thank you for paying back your knowledge debt to ISG, CB. It is now fully paid and no more commercials, I mean reports are needed. Blink.
I was once in Minsk and loved it, even though I did not meet any woman. But I agree totally that it is different in some strange indescribable way. Like a time capsule, but where just 50% of the world got stuck in history and the rest made it to iPhone age. As long as you do not enter politics you are quite safe though. Hope to find time to catch up with you CB on your Belorussian adventures.
BBarba, that has to be the most apt observation about Minsk I have read in a long time. I could not have said it better myself. Yes, if we are ever in Minsk at the same time or any other European city then I would love to meet up for a few drinks and conversation!
Hi guys! I'm looking for 'good equipped' Black guys who would like to travel to Minsk. I can help you in what you wish. And share some nice moments.
Hey guys what's a going USD exch rate at the moment, official and market? Thanks
CityHunter77
05-18-12, 01:28
What is the current attitude towards foreigners of non-caucasian descent?
Is Minsk a safe place to visit?
Hey guys what's a going USD exch rate at the moment, official and market? ThanksSomewhere between 8000-8200 rub.
What is the current attitude towards foreigners of non-caucasian descent?
Is Minsk a safe place to visit?Yes Minsk is very safe place to visit. No doubt. I 've been studying here more than 3 months, Still No police stopped me and asked passport. This situation is very common in Russia.
Nowadays, especially in Minsk, there are lots of Chinese, Korean, Arab, Turkish, Nigerian students. I've never heard a sad story about racist behavior of Minsk people. However, If you are outside with a BL girl, and if you plan to use public transportation (PT) , if you do not use Russian, you should be a little cautious. Because you may face with a nationalist BL guy who may tell you some cruel words about you and your mother.
I've never experienced such situation, although I am often using PT with my BL girlfriend. Yes we did some naughty things in the buses, metros even in pick hours. Nobody interrupted our sessions. Maybe I was luck, maybe my charming smile helped me, maybe my big body, wide shoulders saved me, who knows.
Another hint, if you face with such situations, just leave the place, do not even think about fighting! It is very very bad idea in BL. There are lots of bad stories about BL prisons. If you are not Michael Scofield, just forget this option and run.
Member #4274
05-18-12, 15:16
Hey guys what's a going USD exch rate at the moment, official and market? ThanksI was in Minsk on Wednesday and the exchange at most banks was 1USD = 8000 BYR. This has been the steady exchange rate over the past few months.
Member #4274
05-18-12, 15:30
What is the current attitude towards foreigners of non-caucasian descent?
Is Minsk a safe place to visit?I think it depends upon where in the world you are from. If you are Turkish then the attitude is very poor to open disdain. To a lesser extent if you are Italian or from the caucasus. If you are from South America you might get on alright. I have met many women who love to Latin dance and speak highly of Venezualian men they have met at dance classes and whatnot. But to be honest Minsk is white dominated and many young women there prefer to be seen about with a caucasian man, I think, but mainly because of social attitudes. Belarussian women are far more conservative then their Ukrainian sisters. There are interracial couples in Minsk but they are few and far between.
As for safety, I think the city center of Minsk is very safe. Certainly far safer than Kiev. I have witnessed two drunken, large Ukrainian brutes punching the hell out of one another on a sunday afternoon in Kiev. Such a spectacle seems improbable in Minsk. In two months in Minsk I have never encountered a single problem in the city center nor was I ever stopped by the police. I think that is considerable as my Belarussian friends have often remarked how I appear a foreigner. Simply put: Minsk is clean, dowdy and predictable.
CityHunter77
05-18-12, 16:25
I think it depends upon where in the world you are from. If you are Turkish then the attitude is very poor to open disdain. To a lesser extent if you are Italian or from the caucasus. If you are from South America you might get on alright. I have met many women who love to Latin dance and speak highly of Venezualian men they have met at dance classes and whatnot. But to be honest Minsk is white dominated and many young women there prefer to be seen about with a caucasian man, I think, but mainly because of social attitudes. Belarussian women are far more conservative then their Ukrainian sisters. There are interracial couples in Minsk but they are few and far between.
As for safety, I think the city center of Minsk is very safe. Certainly far safer than Kiev. In two months in Minsk I have never encountered a single problem in the city center nor was I ever stopped by the police. I think that is considerable as my Belarussian friends have often remarked how I appear a foreigner. Simply put: Minsk is clean, dowdy and predictable.Thanks for the informative reply.
I've been to Ukraine before, never had any problems regarding safety or racism. Apart from Shooters club which has strict face control.
I'm just a little confused because alot of Belarussian women have been contacting me. I'm not Turkish but usually get mistaken for one.
Just wondering if it has something to do with the economic crisis in Belarus and girls are getting more desperate to leave.
Member #4274
05-18-12, 16:53
Thanks for the informative reply.
I've been to Ukraine before, never had any problems regarding safety or racism. Apart from Shooters club which has strict face control.
I'm just a little confused because alot of Belarussian women have been contacting me. I'm not Turkish but usually get mistaken for one.
Just wondering if it has something to do with the economic crisis in Belarus and girls are getting more desperate to leave.I have an opinion as to why despite the fact you have been mistaken as Turkish you might be garnering a number of replies on mamba but it would just be guesswork on my part. I don't want to push my opinions on anyone.
To a lesser extent if you are Italian or from the caucasus.I'm Italian. In twenty years of meeting Eastern Europeans, it was never held against me. I always thought of it as an edge.
Member #4274
05-18-12, 17:38
I'm Italian. In twenty years of meeting Eastern Europeans, it was never held against me. I always thought of it as an edge.Climax,
I believe you. No question. My opinion on this subject comes chiefly through many conversations I have had with Belarussians. I know whether privately or in public the majority of Belarussians women would not be caught dead with a Turkish guy. As for Italians it is much different. I think many girls have no problem meeting an Italian in private; meaning come and visit him at his hotel or apartment for sex. Some would even be seen in public with an Italian man and I have seen Italian men with a pretty Belarussian woman, though it is not common. However, Belarussian women are conservative and Italian men have a reputation as sex tourists in Minsk. A woman being seen in public with an Italian man has to be prepared for some scrutiny. Some can deal with it and some cannot. Belarussian women do like foreign men however they also must be able to present them to their friends. In this sense I am refering to sponsorship. Again, this is the impression I get from many conversations and from what I have seen on the streets, clubs and cafes in Minsk. Its possible I am mistaken but I doubt it.
However, Belarussian women are conservative and Italian men have a reputation as sex tourists in Minsk. A woman being seen in public with an Italian man has to be prepared for some scrutiny.I know many classy italians, and those guys are some of the best players in FSU. Problem is rather the lower middle-class italians who are obvious sex-tourists not even subtle about it and have a very very clumsy game. Admittedly they are in hords wherever the pussy is. In the countries (as in Moldova) where those guys are in high numbers,"italiano" is a running joke among the girls.
Totally agree with you about the fact that in many places in FSU, many girls (and especially those evolving in the highest stratums of the society) don't want to be seen holding hands or making out with a turk, as it might be a loss of status for her.
Ronaldinjo
05-18-12, 20:06
I think it depends upon where in the world you are from. If you are Turkish then the attitude is very poor to open disdain. To a lesser extent if you are Italian or from the caucasus. If you are from South America you might get on alright. I have met many women who love to Latin dance and speak highly of Venezualian men they have met at dance classes and whatnot. But to be honest Minsk is white dominated and many young women there prefer to be seen about with a caucasian man, I think, but mainly because of social attitudes. Belarussian women are far more conservative then their Ukrainian sisters. There are interracial couples in Minsk but they are few and far between.
As for safety, I think the city center of Minsk is very safe. Certainly far safer than Kiev. I have witnessed two drunken, large Ukrainian brutes punching the hell out of one another on a Sunday afternoon in Kiev. Such a spectacle seems improbable in Minsk. In two months in Minsk I have never encountered a single problem in the city center nor was I ever stopped by the police. I think that is considerable as my Belarussian friends have often remarked how I appear a foreigner. Simply put: Minsk is clean, dowdy and predictable.I have been mistaken for turk and italian a lot in russia, poland and baltics. Some turks have great reputation as sex giants, but a lot of them have sex turist reputation and dump the girls quickly after sex. I knew one turkish gye that have been banging a new model quality freebies for years, he had outstanding game, and looks too, but he spoiled very much dark men (esprcially turk) reputation, as a lot of city girl new this turkish donjuan who throghs girls after banging them, and he wasnt only one. In the beggining of this millenium turks had great reputation because of their looks and game, but now its another story. Even came to situation when girl asked me if I'm turk, when I tald I'm latin (portugal) she tald me she wouldn't talk to me if I was turk, because of their ugly bahaviour. As for italians the spoiled their reputation too, but not as badly as turks, they behave softer to girls, in more classy way, so now it is easier to catch pussy in eastern europe if you are italian or portugeese than turk. By the way most famouse ukrainian artist anni lorak is married to turk and make ukrainian men (and not only them) veru jelous. You are wright canadian boy, bellorussian girls are more conservative than ukrainian ad even Russian, they remind me balic and Polish chicks who are fucking foreigners at their houses, but afraid to show in public because of public opinion.
I'm Italian. In twenty years of meeting Eastern Europeans, it was never held against me. I always thought of it as an edge.There is an ecellent Report Of Distinction by Waryman in the Ukraine thread about, Who can score the most with Freebie UA girls. It gives the edge as you put it, to Italians from the North, and Spanish Guys, who look more Middle Class.
From my experience in the rest of the EE countries, yes being Italian does give an edge for girls to have a fling, but not to meet and greet their parents.
Italian guys are not looked upon as serious enough for a LTR, or tying the Knot.
But you don't want to do that, do you.
Climax,
I believe you. No question. My opinion on this subject comes chiefly through many conversations I have had with Belarussians. I know whether privately or in public the majority of Belarussians women would not be caught dead with a Turkish guy. As for Italians it is much different. I think many girls have no problem meeting an Italian in private; meaning come and visit him at his hotel or apartment for sex. Some would even be seen in public with an Italian man and I have seen Italian men with a pretty Belarussian woman, though it is not common. However, Belarussian women are conservative and Italian men have a reputation as sex tourists in Minsk. A woman being seen in public with an Italian man has to be prepared for some scrutiny. Some can deal with it and some cannot. Belarussian women do like foreign men however they also must be able to present them to their friends. In this sense I am referring to sponsorship. Again, this is the impression I get from many conversations and from what I have seen on the streets, clubs and cafes in Minsk. Its possible I am mistaken but I doubt it.Dear CB,
As you now experience, this is a close country. So all locals, if they are not student in a any BL university, think that you are potential sex tourists. It is not about nationality, race or being Turk, Arab, Italian etc.
In here girls are so clever, with in 2 sentences they can easily understand approximately how much money you have, how much money do you plan to spend in minsk, and how much money they can get from your pocket.
One of the basic question is "where do you live in Minsk?". If your answer covers name of one of the well-known main streets or squares in the city center like Lenin St, Oktyabrskaya, Karl Marks etc. , automatically you will get special attention. Of course, they know minimum rents at these regions are starting from 1000 USD / month which is equal to 3-4 month salary of an ordinary BL family father or 6 month budget of these girls in minsk. This is the reality. They are seeking easy money.
Please stop to classify people based on their nationalities. It is nothing about nationality. It is money issue, if you show the money, they will follow you.
As per your previous entries, if you spend money for them more than 100 USD or EUR per pop of course, they will try to make all your fantasies real.
Just an example, in here I had an Arabic (from Qatar) friend who is 140kg very ugly guy, maybe he is one of the ugliest guy I've ever met. But around him, he has such 10# girls that I can not see even in my dreams. Because he is really really rich guy, he using his Porsche Panamera in Minsk streets and spending his father's moneywithout any accountability. That's all.
Dear Climax, Do not worry, when you visit Minsk, I advise you to go to "Grand Cafe" or "Cafe Gripp", near Cinema Pobedi- Nemiga. I do not know why, but Italian men like that cafes a lot. There, you will see Italian men with pretty BL women. They are meeting in public, kissing in public.
As a result, BL is a close country, regardless of race, nationality or skin color, all of us, foreigners, are potential sex tourists. So if we can show the color of Benjamin clearly, they will kiss us, grab ourr ass etc. In public. Girls, especially accepting "sponsorship", are not so shy or conservative. They are only amateur prostitutes.
CanD
Member #4274
05-19-12, 15:09
Dear CB,
As you now experience, this is a close country. So all locals, if they are not student in a any BL university, think that you are potential sex tourists. It is not about nationality, race or being Turk, Arab, Italian etc.
In here girls are so clever, with in 2 sentences they can easily understand approximately how much money you have, how much money do you plan to spend in minsk, and how much money they can get from your pocket.
One of the basic question is "where do you live in Minsk?". If your answer covers name of one of the well-known main streets or squares in the city center like Lenin St, Oktyabrskaya, Karl Marks etc. , automatically you will get special attention. Of course, they know minimum rents at these regions are starting from 1000 USD / month which is equal to 3-4 month salary of an ordinary BL family father or 6 month budget of these girls in minsk. This is the reality. They are seeking easy money.
Please stop to classify people based on their nationalities. It is nothing about nationality. It is money issue, if you show the money, they will follow you.
As per your previous entries, if you spend money for them more than 100 USD or EUR per pop of course, they will try to make all your fantasies real.
Just an example, in here I had an Arabic (from Qatar) friend who is 140kg very ugly guy, maybe he is one of the ugliest guy I've ever met. But around him, he has such 10# girls that I can not see even in my dreams. Because he is really really rich guy, he using his Porsche Panamera in Minsk streets and spending his father's moneywithout any accountability. That's all.
Dear Climax, Do not worry, when you visit Minsk, I advise you to go to "Grand Cafe" or "Cafe Gripp", near Cinema Pobedi- Nemiga. I do not know why, but Italian men like that cafes a lot. There, you will see Italian men with pretty BL women. They are meeting in public, kissing in public.
As a result, BL is a close country, regardless of race, nationality or skin color, all of us, foreigners, are potential sex tourists. So if we can show the color of Benjamin clearly, they will kiss us, grab ourr ass etc. In public. Girls, especially accepting "sponsorship", are not so shy or conservative. They are only amateur prostitutes.
CanDDear CanD,
As I stated in my post clearly, I am only reiterating my opinion based on what I hear from Belarussians. I know a number of Belarussians, male and female, but mainly female and from different walks of life. I have formed my opinion based on my conversations with them and my own personal impressions. You say 'don't judge by nationality' but I don't think you can dismiss it too readily. Like you, I have seen Italian men with beautiful girls at Grand Cafe. Absolutely. I take beautiful girls to Grand Cafe and I understand their like for this place. I have met with and had conversations with Italian guys in Kiev and Minsk and they are very likeable people. But saying that nationality plays no role in Minsk is not accurate at all. It is a closed, conservative city and that plays a definite role.
I certainly think any man with an enormous amount of money can find a beautiful woman in any country in the world. That proves nothing and it does not reveal anything about Minsk in fact. However, I am willing to assume most of us on this site are not independantly wealthy. Thus there are other factors that enter the equation. Again, its my personal opinion and I am not suggesting it is the absolute truth.
In here girls are so clever, with in 2 sentences they can easily understand approximately how much money you have, how much money do you plan to spend in minsk, and how much money they can get from your pocket.Seems that you have a pretty low opinion of women. I guess it must be because of many bad experiences.
Have you never had a Belarussian woman who liked you as a person, and not because she saw some financial at doing so?
Sad indeed.
Member #4274
05-19-12, 15:52
I have been mistaken for turk and italian a lot in russia, poland and baltics. Some turks have great reputation as sex giants, but a lot of them have sex turist reputation and dump the girls quickly after sex. I knew one turkish gye that have been banging a new model quality freebies for years, he had outstanding game, and looks too, but he spoiled very much dark men (esprcially turk) reputation, as a lot of city girl new this turkish donjuan who throghs girls after banging them, and he wasnt only one. In the beggining of this millenium turks had great reputation because of their looks and game, but now its another story. Even came to situation when girl asked me if I'm turk, when I tald I'm latin (portugal) she tald me she wouldn't talk to me if I was turk, because of their ugly bahaviour. As for italians the spoiled their reputation too, but not as badly as turks, they behave softer to girls, in more classy way, so now it is easier to catch pussy in eastern europe if you are italian or portugeese than turk. By the way most famouse ukrainian artist anni lorak is married to turk and make ukrainian men (and not only them) veru jelous. You are wright canadian boy, bellorussian girls are more conservative than ukrainian ad even Russian, they remind me balic and Polish chicks who are fucking foreigners at their houses, but afraid to show in public because of public opinion.I agree with much of what you said here and think it applies to Minsk directly. The general attitude in Minsk in regards to Turkish men is extremely negative. Many times, I guarantee more than a dozen, I have walked the streets of Minsk with a Belarussian woman and passed by a couple Turkish men and the woman has leaned towards me and either whispered 'Oh, I don't like those men. They are like animals. I know it is terrible to say but it is true! ' or they just start to giggle and roll their eyes.
On one occassion I was at Victoria Casino, a five star international hotel, and a Turkish man was there with two Belarussian girls. The girls were heavy set and wore too much makeup. I recall watching the reaction of the staff at Victoria Casino as these girls jumped about the man boisterously as he played roulette. The staff gave long, acerbic looks to each other with a mocking smile. After they left the staff was in a flutter of mocking laughs and conversation that was clearly about the Turkish guy and his two girls. For the record, the Turkish guy was dressed decently in a nice suit and his manners were quite measured and friendly.
One young woman I was sponsoring in Minsk told me how one of her friends was dating a Turkish guy her own age. They were both students at her university. She told me how her mother and the mothers of her other female friends would constantly call them when they were out with their friend and her Turkish boyfriend. When I asked why she said "Our mothers were afraid we would start to date a Turkish guy. My mother said to me 'I don't care what you do as long as you don't date a Turkish man! ' So, the fact I am 19 and you're in late thirties does not bother my mother" she finished.
So, why am I telling you this? No, I am not a racist and I do not have a hidden agenda. I am trying to relate something that Turkish guys have an unfavorable, antagonistic reputation in Minsk. To some extent this carries over to dark skinned men and many girls are weary of being seen in public with them. I am not saying it is fair and I am not saying dark skinned men cannot get laid in Minsk. They can, for sure. However, Belarussian women are very conservative and are extremely weary of being seen or associated with Turkish or Turkish looking men. You might be the nicest guy in the world from a country other than Turkey but if you appear to look Turkish you will face much more difficulty than sex tourist from other countries. This is a reality in Minsk, fair or not.
MinskBy the way CB. I had a belarus GF a few months ago (wealthy 32 yo that runs a business in Vilnius and that was vacationing in Paris) who told me about a place which is in her opinion the very best spot in Minsk. She said it was a ubber-fun bar / club, but solely frequented by elite people (artists, actors, politicians, successful professionals, and other members of the high society). No late teens piranhas and no sex-hungry tourists. She described the party there as a kind of "old style" drunken debauchery that is not anymore actual the "glam" venues. She also said that the music was solely Russian pop charts. I was drunk when she told me about it, but if my memory serves, it is just behind the Opera, and the name of the place is also a username of one of the frequent poster here on ISG Russian forums (might be Stravinsky maybe, but in any case it is not Pizdyets! LOL). Have you heard of this place?
I was in Minsk on Wednesday and the exchange at most banks was 1USD = 8000 BYR. This has been the steady exchange rate over the past few months.Ok Thanks CB. Older trips it was around 2000, then I remember when it went up to 4000 a small bottle of vodka at a club cost us about 15 US Dollars. Must be even better now!
Member #4274
05-19-12, 21:03
By the way CB. I had a belarus GF a few months ago (wealthy 32 yo that runs a business in Vilnius and that was vacationing in Paris) who told me about a place which is in her opinion the very best spot in Minsk. She said it was a ubber-fun bar / club, but solely frequented by elite people (artists, actors, politicians, successful professionals, and other members of the high society). No late teens piranhas and no sex-hungry tourists. She described the party there as a kind of "old style" drunken debauchery that is not anymore actual the "glam" venues. She also said that the music was solely Russian pop charts. I was drunk when she told me about it, but if my memory serves, it is just behind the Opera, and the name of the place is also a username of one of the frequent poster here on ISG Russian forums (might be Stravinsky maybe, but in any case it is not Pizdyets! LOL). Have you heard of this place?
I can honestly whatever this place is I have not been there but I think you are speaking of Stravinsky. I can make some inquires of my Belarussian friends and find out. I do know a young woman I was sponsoring when I first got to Minsk told me she really liked Stravinsky and often her and her friends would go there before heading to Dozari. She said it was a place I would prefer because of my age and social status (meaning I am from the west, dress well and have money, I think). It sounds like a great place!
By the way, good looking woman!
By the way, good looking woman!Well, just a 7 in my book, but super super super horny, which compensates)
Thanks for your reports by the way)
Well, just a 7 in my book, but super super super horny, which compensates)
Thanks for your reports by the way) .
You know from your postes that you are into Freebies, ie non wgs.
My question to you is this, if you care to reply/
When EE girls come to visit you in Paris, how much does it cost you in terms of taking them out, clubbing, restaurants, drinks, taxis, metro/
Do you go Dutch with them, Amercian way of splitting the costes.
In my case I go for P4P, simply because it works out cheaper for me, as I don't go Dutch with civvy girls that I want to shag, and I Can't host in my own place.
Ronaldinjo
05-20-12, 16:46
I agree with much of what you said here and think it applies to Minsk directly. The general attitude in Minsk in regards to Turkish men is extremely negative. Many times, I guarantee more than a dozen, I have walked the streets of Minsk with a Belarussian woman and passed by a couple Turkish men and the woman has leaned towards me and either whispered 'Oh, I don't like those men. They are like animals. I know it is terrible to say but it is true! ' or they just start to giggle and roll their eyes.
On one occassion I was at Victoria Casino, a five star international hotel, and a Turkish man was there with two Belarussian girls. The girls were heavy set and wore too much makeup. I recall watching the reaction of the staff at Victoria Casino as these girls jumped about the man boisterously as he played roulette. The staff gave long, acerbic looks to each other with a mocking smile. After they left the staff was in a flutter of mocking laughs and conversation that was clearly about the Turkish guy and his two girls. For the record, the Turkish guy was dressed decently in a nice suit and his manners were quite measured and friendly.
One young woman I was sponsoring in Minsk told me how one of her friends was dating a Turkish guy her own age. They were both students at her university. She told me how her mother and the mothers of her other female friends would constantly call them when they were out with their friend and her Turkish boyfriend. When I asked why she said "Our mothers were afraid we would start to date a Turkish guy. My mother said to me 'I don't care what you do as long as you don't date a Turkish man! ' So, the fact I am 19 and you're in late thirties does not bother my mother" she finished.
So, why am I telling you this? No, I am not a racist and I do not have a hidden agenda. I am trying to relate something that Turkish guys have an unfavorable, antagonistic reputation in Minsk. To some extent this carries over to dark skinned men and many girls are weary of being seen in public with them. I am not saying it is fair and I am not saying dark skinned men cannot get laid in Minsk. They can, for sure. However, Belarussian women are very conservative and are extremely weary of being seen or associated with Turkish or Turkish looking men. You might be the nicest guy in the world from a country other than Turkey but if you appear to look Turkish you will face much more difficulty than sex tourist from other countries. This is a reality in Minsk, fair or not.Turks and italians are spoiling south european tourist chances with eastern european beauties. But keep in mind Canadianboy that eastern european chicks mostly prefere much more to fuck with southern european type (italian, spanish, greeks and turks) men than white skinned yankies, britts and germans. The same way you prefere EU women beauty over asians. Its much more exotic to them. But dark men (mostly turks and some italians) behave in barbaric way, make the girls feel like bitches and those typr of men are much less popular in novadays than they used to be before (10-15 years before). If some beauty goes with turk or italian in belarus she is considered ***** and spoiling her reputation. Its fact.
Member #4274
05-20-12, 18:32
May 9th was Victory Day in Minsk and after taking in the parade in the morning, I met up with Kristina at Bistro de Luxe for dinner as May 9th was also her birthday. Kristina was a young woman I had met off of a dating site and we had become friends. I knew she was looking for a sponsor but as I had a few on the go I was inclined to keep her as a friend especially as her English was quite good and she knew exactly why I was in Minsk. Kristina was an average sized girl with dark hair, blue eyes and a tan she acquired recently in Egypt. She had terrific cleveage which entertained me during any breaks in our conversation. However that was rare as I enjoyed Kristina; she spoke confidently and honestly about clubs and girls in Minsk. I thought our conversation might be of interest to members on ISG.
We both ordered the roast beef and at first spoke of Victory Day celebrations and people in the cafe. She asked me about my impressions of Minsk and seemed genuinely interested. The meal was good and after we finished our drinks we ordered another round. I looked across the table at her.
'Kristina, what are the best clubs in Minsk to meet girls looking for sponsors? '
'There are girls in all clubs who would like to meet a sponsor' she giggled.
'Fair enough, but which are the best ones? '
'I would say Next, Africa, Madison and probably West World Club'
'Dozari? '
'Dozari is best club in Minsk but not for finding girls like these, ' she said.
'Where do you go mostly? '
'Africa. I will take you there if you want sometime' she giggled again.
'OK'
The waitress placed our drinks on the table. Beside us there was a Russian man in a suit speaking English with an Italian woman who periodically translated their conversation to her husband in Italian. They were speaking about business in Moscow and Rome and travel to Dubai. The Russian spoke very capable English while the Italian woman spoke slowly and deliberately. Our tables were close so I tried to keep my voice low.
'So, you think Africa is the best place to meet girls for sponsorship? '
'No, I think it is Next club. '
'Next? '
'Da, I mean yes' she laughed.
'But isn't Next full of Turkish sex tourist? '
'Not only Turkish but a lot of Italians and other foreigners'
I looked at her directly.
'I don't like the atmosphere in clubs that pander exclusively to sex tourists, especially when they are full of Turkish guys. '
'That do what? ' she squinted.
'I mean, that the main intention of the club is to attract men for the purpose of sex tourism. '
'Then come with me to Africa! ' she smiled delightfully.
'OK'
'Really, there are many girls who go to Next who are looking for sponsors but are not interested in Turkish guys. They are very pretty. '
'You know of such girls? ' I asked.
'Yes, I know a few, actually. '
I asked her to explain further.
'I know girls that go to my university who like the music at Next. They never go alone but with a group of people and always try to bring a few male friends with them to keep the hordes away. '
'Hordes! Good word. '
'Thank you'
'Go on. '
'Well, if they come into contact with a man they like they will of course speak with him. If it is someone they do not like, such as a Turkish, they will go back with their friends. That way it is better for her. '
'I see'
'But the girls are very expensive at Next. I think you can find just as good at Madison or Africa and with a lot less attitude. '
'Like you? ' I grinned.
'Like me! '
I paid the bill and exchanged friendly kisses with Kristina. After she left I sat at the bar and ordered another scotch and soda while planning out the rest of my evening.
You know from your postes that you are into Freebies, ie non wgs.
My question to you is this, if you care to reply/
When EE girls come to visit you in Paris, how much does it cost you in terms of taking them out, clubbing, restaurants, drinks, taxis, metro/I find that their mentality, once here, is very positive. They don't mind riding the bus, are totally happy with dinners in mid-level romantic restaurants, boozing in nice but unpretentious bars, evenings at home with some good wine, a plate of cheese and a good movie, ect. No posh places, no clubs. No need. Most important is to actually take care of their well-being, fulfill their touristic expectations (long romantic strolls, visits of picturesque areas, monuments, ect) , and at the same time satisfy them emotionally, intellectually and sexually.
.Do you go Dutch with them, Amercian way of splitting the costes.No. I call the shots. It's for me elementary male courtesy.
I find that their mentality, once here, is very positive. They don't mind riding the bus, are totally happy with dinners in mid-level romantic restaurants, boozing in nice but unpretentious bars, evenings at home with some good wine, a plate of cheese and a good movie, ect. No posh places, no clubs. No need. Most important is to actually take care of their well-being, fulfill their touristic expectations (long romantic strolls, visits of picturesque areas, monuments, ect) , and at the same time satisfy them emotionally, intellectually and sexually.
No. I call the shots. It's for me elementary male courtesy..
Now it makes sense how you get 2 EE girls to visit you in Paris each month. You being unattached as I gather from the above.
Even if I wasn't married, I wouldn't want girls to visit and staying in my place.
Not Romatic at all, and I like my own space.
I also like to call the shots and dominate the situation, that's why freebies end up costing me more. And all the ones I know civvy American females know all about london and they want to hit the fashionable places.
Aussie& Kiwi Girls are the unpretentious ones, sporty and lots of fun. My fav. Number 1.
Many thanks once again for your reply.
PS. Now I know how you can go on one month holidays at a time to Tashkent LOL.
In my situation, I am accompanied by my female home companions, if its long distance, or on city breaks in western Europe.
Thank goodness thay don't like EE countries countries, which works. In my favor.
East Explorer
05-21-12, 21:25
With much amusement I am reading the Minsk forum which suddenly has become alive like never before.
I consider myself as a Minsk veteran after visiting this place more than 20 times in the last 6 years. I actually share most of the member statements made here although some are a little exaggerated.
Many things have changed in Minsk in the last couple of years. Back in 2005, only a handful of clubs existed, Madison, Max Show, Overtime and some others which do not exist anymore or were renamed. You would find only few foreigners and an overwhelming majority of girls in the clubs. I remember standing at the bar and girls dragging me into the dance floor and start kissing 2 minutes later. And even without speaking Russian, most club nights ended with one (or two.) girls in my bed.
This days are gone. My perception is that nowadays the girls quality in clubs is lower and the M / F ratio is much worse. Additionally, because of the many foreigners, especially from Turkey and Arab countries, girls are more biased and reserved. But if you have a good game, a decent look, some Russian speaking skills and enough cash to cope with every situation, then Minsk is still an excellent place to have great fun.
I have been quite successfull in clubs, but also use mamba and vk for some change. VK is not anymore a good option because since last year it is not possible to hide all the people in the friend list. So if a girl sees that I have +200 good looking girls and no guys in my friend list, she will start to ask some difficult questions. The only thing I have yet to try is to approach beautiful girls on the streets as Russian men do. This is actually one of the few characteristics that I admire on Russian men!
I have to say that the most amazing girls I had in Minsk were not the "I am glamorous" attitude girls from clubs like Next (big no-go by the way) , but some young students and part-time students from the cities in the provinces. They are usually natural beauties that offer an excellent GFE and are not that money driven as capital girls.
Knowing that my Russian skills are good enough to survive in the countryside, I would really like to try a provincial city. Gomel for instance, the second largest city in Belarus. Now that exams are over and University holidays are about to start, I would think that many girls will leave Minsk to spend summer in their home towns. The only drawback I can figure out is that there are probably not many clubs in Gomel so that I would be rather depending on mamba.
Any Gomel experiences or comments? Very much appreciated.
Member #4274
05-22-12, 04:16
East Explorer, good to hear from you! I was hoping you'd be in Minsk when I was there in April / May. After being in Minsk twice in the last eight months I probably will not be back until spring 2013. Hopefully we can meet up then.
You know, people always say 'It used to be better here or there but it's not as good anymore' and I don't know as I am new to mongering in Central and Eastern Europe. I do know I had two great experiences in Minsk and now count it as my favorite city in Europe to monger in. I am comfortable now in Minsk and I go to cafes and the waitresses and bartenders know me. Some even know me by name. I actually took some of my Belarusian friends to a few cafes they had never heard of and they were always pleasantly surprised to see how at ease I have become in their capital.
I agree with you about Next, by the way. There is no way in Hell I would go there but a lot of my female friends in Minsk insist it's the best club to meet girls to sponsor.
As for your question, no, I have never been to Gomel. However, I do have two very good friends from Gomel including one girl I was sponsoring and another who was a freebie (check pictures below). I say freebie but I had to wine and dine her and take her and her friend to Dozari one night before I got the goods. Little tiger in the sack, though. She spoke to me in part English and part French. Great girl! Although we were having sex without protection. I hope to fuck she didn't give me anything.
If you can speak Russian I am sure you will do just fine in Gomel or another large city in Belarus. But that would be key, being able to speak Russian. If you are in Minsk at the same time as me I would definitely go there with you, especially since I have some connections to the city. I can certainly ask them what clubs they would recommend. Just send me a PM!
I am also considering heading to Vitebsk on my next trip as I met two students from that city on Victory Day. Very good looking girls but awfully simple and conservative. They told me they also wanted to show me a Belarusian village. They said it would be an 'interesting experience for me' and followed that with a hearty laugh.
When are you heading to Belarus?
Thank you guys Canadian Boy and East Explorer, as well as others for putting some life into this thread.
BTW, CB the second chick looks very hot, and worth doing a lot of air miles to get her.
I was planning on being in Minsk this month, but unfortunately I don't think I will be able to. So it looks like I have to wait till the fall.
Last time I did Minsk wasn't very exciting on the route that I took.
Flew on Ryanair from London to Kaunas, Lithiania (Now I know why the American pilot refused to be relocated there. Called it "Like Siberia".
A shithole of a place, nothing there, best to avoid, unless absolutely have to.
On the Bus to Vilnius, stayed there few nights, wasn't impressed at all.
Now I know why Lithuania has the highest % in the world of men commiting suicide.
Prostitution is illegal, and the best deal was in Cleopatra Go Go.
Erotic massage +possibilty of take out.
On the bus from there to Minsk.
Second day I thought I landed in Heaven. Was a bit drunk, and just went up to group of students, and got chatting to the most beautiful blonde in the group.
Met her and her very attractive friend at west World Club at midnight. 10 minutes later, she was DFK ing me on the dance floor.
Here is me in the wrong half o my 40s (Look about a decade younger, full head of hair, dyed, thank you Just for men) being french kissed in public by a 20 something beautiful student. Thank you Tanya.
Anyways it turns out that they weren't hookers, but merely students, spoke very good English.
BTW, I was hoping they were doing tricks, so I save time and cut corners.
And bless them, when I told them that I am a Meat Guy, from my days working in and around Texas, but I don't like the meat cuts in Minsk. They took me to a g a very nice place called Byblos. A good choice of veggie options, and good atmosphere.
We went out the 3 of us to some nice places, including Madisson.
I do love clubs. I spent a lot of my time in clubs on both sides of the Atlantic.
And this hepled me on the dance floor in Mnsk Club. LOL.
My 2 beautiful students were impressed by my movements and rythem, so they said. Took me down memory lane.
Quite honestly, if I wasn't under the influence of few Vodkas and beers, I don't think I would have ever got the chance to have met Tanya & Ajia.
Lesson learned try your luck on the streets, f the situation is right.
When I was holidaying in Eilat Israel, one girl told me, that no wonder I liked Minsk, because even their Foreign Minister Avigdor Libermann (Born in Moldova) , loves to spend his holidays in Belarus, and not Moldova. She said this with a wink.
My 2 students in Minsk told me their holiday options are very limited overseas to places, like Egypt, Turkey, Israel. And may be Cyprus.
Mant girls from Moldova and few from Belarus work the Clubs in Both parts of Cyprus.
So it does explain why Turks and Arabs from some countries in the Middle East. Head to Minsk.
Besides, I understand a lot of hotels and casinos are owned by them. Belarus must be the best place for Money Laundering. And they don't have difficulty in Visa Issues.
Next time I want to do Minsk is by flying to Poland, and Cross over from Bialystok Poland To Brest. Stay few days in both places, before heading to Minsk by Bus.
Both Bialystok poland, and Brest Belarus are not on the tourist trail, and sound more exciting, than crossing over from Lithuania.
Any update on Brest.
Thanks
Thank you guys Canadian Boy and East Explorer, as well as others for putting some life into this thread.
BTW, CB the second chick looks very hot, and worth doing a lot of air miles to get her.
I was planning on being in Minsk this month, but unfortunately I don't think I will be able to. So it looks like I have to wait till the fall.
Last time I did Minsk wasn't very exciting on the route that I took.
Flew on Ryanair from London to Kaunas, Lithiania (Now I know why the American pilot refused to be relocated there. Called it "Like Siberia".
A shithole of a place, nothing there, best to avoid, unless absolutely have to.
On the Bus to Vilnius, stayed there few nights, wasn't impressed at all.
Now I know why Lithuania has the highest % in the world of men commiting suicide.
Prostitution is illegal, and the best deal was in Cleopatra Go Go.
Erotic massage +possibilty of take out.
On the bus from there to Minsk.
Second day I thought I landed in Heaven. Was a bit drunk, and just went up to group of students, and got chatting to the most beautiful blonde in the group.
Met her and her very attractive friend at west World Club at midnight. 10 minutes later, she was DFK ing me on the dance floor.
Here is me in the wrong half o my 40s (Look about a decade younger, full head of hair, dyed, thank you Just for men) being french kissed in public by a 20 something beautiful student. Thank you Tanya.
Anyways it turns out that they weren't hookers, but merely students, spoke very good English.
BTW, I was hoping they were doing tricks, so I save time and cut corners.
And bless them, when I told them that I am a Meat Guy, from my days working in and around Texas, but I don't like the meat cuts in Minsk. They took me to a g a very nice place called Byblos. A good choice of veggie options, and good atmosphere.
We went out the 3 of us to some nice places, including Madisson.
I do love clubs. I spent a lot of my time in clubs on both sides of the Atlantic.
And this hepled me on the dance floor in Mnsk Club. LOL.
My 2 beautiful students were impressed by my movements and rythem, so they said. Took me down memory lane.
Quite honestly, if I wasn't under the influence of few Vodkas and beers, I don't think I would have ever got the chance to have met Tanya & Ajia.
Lesson learned try your luck on the streets, f the situation is right.
When I was holidaying in Eilat Israel, one girl told me, that no wonder I liked Minsk, because even their Foreign Minister Avigdor Libermann (Born in Moldova) , loves to spend his holidays in Belarus, and not Moldova. She said this with a wink.
My 2 students in Minsk told me their holiday options are very limited overseas to places, like Egypt, Turkey, Israel. And may be Cyprus.
Mant girls from Moldova and few from Belarus work the Clubs in Both parts of Cyprus.
So it does explain why Turks and Arabs from some countries in the Middle East. Head to Minsk.
Besides, I understand a lot of hotels and casinos are owned by them. Belarus must be the best place for Money Laundering. And they don't have difficulty in Visa Issues.
Next time I want to do Minsk is by flying to Poland, and Cross over from Bialystok Poland To Brest. Stay few days in both places, before heading to Minsk by Bus.
Both Bialystok poland, and Brest Belarus are not on the tourist trail, and sound more exciting, than crossing over from Lithuania.
Any update on Brest.
Thanks
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05-22-12, 17:00
Thank you guys Canadian Boy and East Explorer, as well as others for putting some life into this thread.
BTW, CB the second chick looks very hot, and worth doing a lot of air miles to get her.
I was planning on being in Minsk this month, but unfortunately I don't think I will be able to. So it looks like I have to wait till the fall.
Last time I did Minsk wasn't very exciting on the route that I took.
Flew on Ryanair from London to Kaunas, Lithiania (Now I know why the American pilot refused to be relocated there. Called it "Like Siberia".
A shithole of a place, nothing there, best to avoid, unless absolutely have to.
On the Bus to Vilnius, stayed there few nights, wasn't impressed at all.
Now I know why Lithuania has the highest % in the world of men commiting suicide.
Prostitution is illegal, and the best deal was in Cleopatra Go Go.
Erotic massage +possibilty of take out.
On the bus from there to Minsk.
Second day I thought I landed in Heaven. Was a bit drunk, and just went up to group of students, and got chatting to the most beautiful blonde in the group.
Met her and her very attractive friend at west World Club at midnight. 10 minutes later, she was DFK ing me on the dance floor.
Here is me in the wrong half o my 40s (Look about a decade younger, full head of hair, dyed, thank you Just for men) being french kissed in public by a 20 something beautiful student. Thank you Tanya.
Anyways it turns out that they weren't hookers, but merely students, spoke very good English.
BTW, I was hoping they were doing tricks, so I save time and cut corners.
And bless them, when I told them that I am a Meat Guy, from my days working in and around Texas, but I don't like the meat cuts in Minsk. They took me to a g a very nice place called Byblos. A good choice of veggie options, and good atmosphere.
We went out the 3 of us to some nice places, including Madisson.
I do love clubs. I spent a lot of my time in clubs on both sides of the Atlantic.
And this hepled me on the dance floor in Mnsk Club. LOL.
My 2 beautiful students were impressed by my movements and rythem, so they said. Took me down memory lane.
Quite honestly, if I wasn't under the influence of few Vodkas and beers, I don't think I would have ever got the chance to have met Tanya & Ajia.
Lesson learned try your luck on the streets, f the situation is right.
When I was holidaying in Eilat Israel, one girl told me, that no wonder I liked Minsk, because even their Foreign Minister Avigdor Libermann (Born in Moldova) , loves to spend his holidays in Belarus, and not Moldova. She said this with a wink.
My 2 students in Minsk told me their holiday options are very limited overseas to places, like Egypt, Turkey, Israel. And may be Cyprus.
Mant girls from Moldova and few from Belarus work the Clubs in Both parts of Cyprus.
So it does explain why Turks and Arabs from some countries in the Middle East. Head to Minsk.
Besides, I understand a lot of hotels and casinos are owned by them. Belarus must be the best place for Money Laundering. And they don't have difficulty in Visa Issues.
Next time I want to do Minsk is by flying to Poland, and Cross over from Bialystok Poland To Brest. Stay few days in both places, before heading to Minsk by Bus.
Both Bialystok poland, and Brest Belarus are not on the tourist trail, and sound more exciting, than crossing over from Lithuania.
Any update on Brest.
ThanksHey Jojosun,
Yes, I remember your updates from fall 2011 when you were in Minsk. You gave me some advice and I used it wisely. By the way, the chicks in the two pictures are the same person. She's the 'freebie' I had for a few weeks. Yes, she's a great girl who definitely made my stay in Minsk much more interesting. However, she was moody and got jealous at the slightest provocation. I never put pictures up of girls I have paid for sex as I respect their privacy.
Like you, I had some luck on the streets of Minsk. It was on Victory Day and I swear every Belarusian in Minsk was out that night. The streets were filled with people. I was a little drunk from drinking scotch and soda at Bistro de Luxe and while I was on my way to meet my friends at Korona Mall I started chatting with these two students from Vitebsk. Extremely nice girls and very easy to look at. We met up the next day and I showed them a few places in Minsk. Now they are on my facebook and promise to show me Vitebsk and a village nearby on my next visit to Belarus. Definitely hoping to get a freebie out of this. Like you, had I been sober this never would have happened. I am too stuck up to speak to people in the streets when sober. It's one of my short-comings as a mongerer.
I honestly know nothing about Brest. I don't believe I have even met anyone from there. Let me ask you, when you took the train from Lithuania to Belarus did you already have a visa or did you get it at the border? Also, if you visit Brest and Minsk do you have to register with the police in both cities?
Seems that you have a pretty low opinion of women. I guess it must be because of many bad experiences.
Have you never had a Belarussian woman who liked you as a person, and not because she saw some financial at doing so?
Sad indeed.Dear Prosal,
I think you are working in Advertising Industry or PR. You just picked some sentences from a long report and accused me being ungentle towards the beautiful women of BL.
These sentences are about "Sponsorship". If you read that report and my previous reports along with CB's, about sponsorship and race discrimination (Sorry CB but they seem like that) , we were discussing some opinions. In that report, I informed one Italian Gent, Climax, how this "Sponsorship" term works in BL. (Thanks to CB, before my visit to Minsk, he briefed me a lot with his PMs.)
I think the aim of ISG is to guide people, mongers, while they are visiting a particular city in the world. It is a guide for them, for you. I think still same based on my experiences, for the Minsk, there are couple of tricky questions you need to answer correctly, while you are chatting on VK or Rambler or talking with a girl in a club, like Dozari, Next (Especially here) etc. This is reality. So as a monger, when you read this comment you have to understand that "Where you live in Minsk" is a critical info if you want to increase your success rate in BL with "Sponsorship". Because, your answer give huge and very important info to the girl in order to finalize her decision. If you answer these 2-3 questions correctly, you have a great chance to pay 100 200 USD / pop to a grade 6 9, 18-26 yr old BL girl who are seeking "sponsor", even if you are one of the forbidden country in the world.
In ISG, I am only sharing my experience with you people, instead of racing the races. They are like tablets, just getting the necessary information instead of reading an essay or success stories without knowing how they get to that level. People need that critical important info about places and strategies. Because they have only limited time. This is what I think.
If you are curious about my success rate, you may read my initial reports about the places, and clubs and take a guess. I understand that you are good at analyzing stuff.
Also, if you are planning to visit Minsk, I'd happy to show you around. Last 2, 5 months I was not familiar with clubbing environment because of my BL girlfriend, who is a hard-working successful optometrist in Minsk Main Hospital. But still I could be considered as good wing-man to achieve your success rate goal.
PS. FYI, I've never paid my GF 100 200USD / pop, if you want to know how I get such a Gr. 9 girl, mentally and physically, you may read my previous reports about long term strategies. .
Take care.
CanD
Hey Jojosun,
I honestly know nothing about Brest. I don't believe I have even met anyone from there. Let me ask you, when you took the train from Lithuania to Belarus did you already have a visa or did you get it at the border? Also, if you visit Brest and Minsk do you have to register with the police in both cities?I see there is a very good report from one of the experts (Borderland) on Brest.
Borderland did an excellent report as well on Tiraspol. But I think he seems to go offline every time he is in LTR, so he said.
I took the bus from Vilnius to Minsk. It was about 33 Lit.
Very cheap and only few hours on the bus. There were some stories about trains in EE countries not as safe as buses, especially at night. Is there a train from Vilnius to Minsk?
I got a Visa from The Belarussian Embassy in London. I had to show them the Hotel Booking Voucher, and I think the Return Airline Ticket.
But you couldn't extend it, if you wanted.
Hotel Planeta did the registration for me. So I imagine the hotel that I will be staying at in Brest will be doing the same.
My one time staying in an Apartment post Berlin wall was in Kaunas, Lithuania.
Never again in that place, and avoid that city.
BTW I thought the 2 girls were different?
It must be all the Perry I am drinking in a very nice Place in Chelsea on a beautiful day.
Cheers.
With much amusement I am reading the Minsk forum which suddenly has become alive like never before.
I have been quite successful in clubs, but also use mamba and vk for some change. VK is not anymore a good option because since last year it is not possible to hide all the people in the friend list. So if a girl sees that I have +200 good looking girls and no guys in my friend list, she will start to ask some difficult questions. The only thing I have yet to try is to approach beautiful girls on the streets as Russian men do. This is actually one of the few characteristics that I admire on Russian men!Dear East Explorer,
You are right, when chicks see +200 friends in your profile they get suspicious. But, I am happy to inform you that you can hide your some or all friends. Please follow the path written below.
For the English version: 1) My Settings (on the left pane 10th item).2) Privacy (2nd Tab at top).3) Who is visible in my list of friends and followed users (7th item from top) ,
You can select to hide people.
"Approaching beautiful girls on streets like Russians or Belorussians" Strategy, I think it is working in Minsk. I 've never tried, because I am a little shy for such acts, however, when I was with Danish Traveler, he showed me some demonstration about his strategy. His action plan was based on this idea and it was working. Of course success rate was not high after serial of attempts, you may have a chance to meet with real hotties (gr 8-9) at the end of day. Good thing, girls are not overreacting, refusing politely.
May be, when Danish Traveler finishes his trip to Ukraine, he may update us about the tricks of his game, how it works in Minsk.
Take Care,
CanD
Jojosun and CanadianBoy
I am planing to visit Brest and Gomel for 3-4 days after 15th June. I will update the forum regarding my experiences.
Hey Jojosun,
I honestly know nothing about Brest. I don't believe I have even met anyone from there. Let me ask you, when you took the train from Lithuania to Belarus did you already have a visa or did you get it at the border? Also, if you visit Brest and Minsk do you have to register with the police in both cities?CanadianBoy,
I've been informed that 5 day rule is valid for the foreigner who are traveling in BL also. My BL friends told me, with in 5 day, if I plan to stay longer, I need to report Police department with an official document clearly shows where I live. When I asked how I will prove my date of arrival, they said with bus, train ticket. But I have no idea if I go there with a private car, how this system will work. Still I am searching exact info, when I get, I will update you guys.
Take care,
CanD
I see there is a very good report from one of the experts (Borderland) on Brest.
Borderland did an excellent report as well on Tiraspol. But I think he seems to go offline every time he is in LTR, so he said.
I took the bus from Vilnius to Minsk. It was about 33 Lit.
Very cheap and only few hours on the bus. There were some stories about trains in EE countries not as safe as buses, especially at night. Is there a train from Vilnius to Minsk?
I got a Visa from The Belarussian Embassy in London. I had to show them the Hotel Booking Voucher, and I think the Return Airline Ticket.
But you couldn't extend it, if you wanted.
Hotel Planeta did the registration for me. So I imagine the hotel that I will be staying at in Brest will be doing the same.
My one time staying in an Apartment post Berlin wall was in Kaunas, Lithuania.
Never again in that place, and avoid that city.
BTW I thought the 2 girls were different?
It must be all the Perry I am drinking in a very nice Place in Chelsea on a beautiful day.
Cheers.Correction on the above, re visas.
At the BL Embassy in London, I just needed to show them the hotel booking Voucher for hotel Planeta in Minsk. The exact days booked, and the date when I arrived.
Didn't need to show them the Air Return Ticket to Kaunas, Lithuania.
From Vilnius I went by Bus to Minsk. No problem at all at the border.
Here is an update on the subject we discussed, re god alternative places in Eastern Europe.
I had this place on my mind for a long time. Today I see our friend Fawie has updated info on this town Bendery in Transdinster, in the Moldova Thread.
I Took the Liberty of copying and pasting it. See what you think of it as an alternative to Minsk.
FAWIE. But I have found a undiscovered treasure which I want to share with you all, Bendery, the ladies are far more social-able and less stuck up then Chisinau, the place is uber cheap, and as I say the people are just plan friendly, in the 3 yearss I have been making it a regular place for me I have made friends never once been robbed conned or had one pulled over me, the chicks are happy to meet a foreigner, it is a great over all place, chisinau 10 years ago we can say.
If you choose to make a trip it is not that hard a taxi will take you for like 400 lei maybe less, you can rent a decent appt for about $25 a night and when your done head back to chisinau, but look your not going to go there 15 minutes bag a lady bang her and head back it does take some work and you need to do the ground work before you go but that is not too hard, your first port of call in the evening should be city bar great place cheap drinks and the finest honeys you can imagine, feel free to strike up a convo, as long as you do not make it obvious your there for one thing only you should in a day or 2 get some va va voom.
Most will take modlovan lei hoever I suggest you head into a sheriff market and convert your lei into thier roubles you will get a better rate then paying direct in the bars with lei.
ANyway thought I would share a bit, happy mongering any q's about bendery just PM me!
Jojosun and CanadianBoy
I am planing to visit Brest and Gomel for 3-4 days after 15th June. I will update the forum regarding my experiences.
Take care,
CanDMany Thanks.
Regards,
JoJo
Does anyone have a scoop on what's it like in Minsk first two weeks in June? I get impression from talking with girls that students have their exams up until end of June. And in terms of tourists (like us) , is everyone coming in June or later months in the summer?. Thanks
I see there is a very good report from one of the experts (Borderland) on Brest.
Very cheap and only few hours on the bus. There were some stories about trains in EE countries not as safe as buses, especially at night. Is there a train from Vilnius to Minsk?
Cheers.Dear Jojosun,
Generally when I need to a train I am using this site to check the timetable. As per my previous experiences, it seems listed trips and dates are correct.
Here the link for the trains BTW Minsk and Vilnius
http://www.allbelarus.com/services/train/vilnius.shtm
Here is the link for other locations from Minsk.
http://www.allbelarus.com/services/train/
Take Care,
CanD
Dear Jojosun,
Generally when I need to a train I am using this site to check the timetable. As per my previous experiences, it seems listed trips and dates are correct.
Here the link for the trains BTW Minsk and Vilnius
http://www.allbelarus.com/services/train/vilnius.shtm
Here is the link for other locations from Minsk.
http://www.allbelarus.com/services/train/
Take Care,
CanDThank You.
When EE girls come to visit you in Paris, how much does it cost you in terms of taking them out, clubbing, restaurants, drinks, taxis, metro.Had a 23 yo Belarus student at home this weekend, with who I was "relationship building" on internet since almost two year. She is on a Germany, France and Italy bus tour (her first trip in western Europe) and quitted the group to stay two days with me.
Saturday: meeting at 8 pm. Stroll to my favorite bar where we had 4 cocktail each on the terrace (was happy hour) , bill 40 . Nocturnal romantic stroll to Notre Dame that lasted some two hours. Stop at a nice mexican place where we had three Coronas each + chip, salsa and guacamole, bill 45 . Long romantic stroll to my home (I live near the Opera). Cost of the night in town: 85 .
Sunday: wake up at 11am, tea at home, she wasn't hungry. Bus to her hotel (2 each) so that she can change clothes. From her hotel, long stroll through picturesque areas, at 4 pm stop in a nice typical french brasserie near my home, she wasn't hungry, I had to force her to share with me one plate of frogs and one creme brulιe, this with thow bottles of Chardonnais, bill 60 . Back home for a wild fuck and more wine. At 11 pm, walk to a modest brasilian place with live music and great atmosphere, three beers each and some "casquinho de caranquejo" (crabmeat covered with manioc) , bill 42 . Walk back home. Cost of the day: 110 .
Monday (was vacation day here) : wake up at 11 am, cafe plus croissant at a cafe terrace, bill 12 . Stroll and suntanning at the Louvre Gardens during two hours. Shopping to La Maison du Chocolat (high-end stuff) where I buy her as a gift some chocolate truffes, cost 28 . Then stop in a cafe, one omelette for two and a bottle of rosι at the terrace, bill 34 . Taxi to her hotel 10 . Her bus leaves at 3 pm to Nice and then Italy. Long kiss goodbye. Cost of the day: 85 (gift included)
Cost of the weekend: around 280 . She sent an sms from the bus to say that she will be grateful forever for this weekend that was the most wonderful of her life.
As a side note: what great women Russian women are. Beside being honest, emotional, smart, cultured, witty, selfless, fun and great conversationalists, again and again I'm amazed by their liking for no-holds barred sex and their skills at oral. They are definitely the best and most enthousiastic blowers on the planet. It's literally amazing. There must be some special schools in Russia where they learn to suck dicks. She was with my cock like a starving dog in front of a roast chicken. No way to move her away from it, even by force (not that I tried too harshly though).
What a great weekend.
Had a 23 yo Belarus student at home this weekend.Just to add that despite the fact that she drinks beer and is modest in her tastes, she definitely wasn't a "gopotelka" (female gopnik) , but a 8+ cultured, elegant and smart girl with a rather good job in the gem business.
Had a 23 yo Belarus student at home this weekend, with who I was "relationship building" on internet since almost two year. She is on a Germany, France and Italy bus tour (her first trip in western Europe) and quitted the group to stay two days with me.
Saturday: meeting at 8 pm. Stroll to my favorite bar where we had 4 cocktail each on the terrace (was happy hour) , bill 40 . Nocturnal romantic stroll to Notre Dame that lasted some two hours. Stop at a nice mexican place where we had three Coronas each + chip, salsa and guacamole, bill 45 . Long romantic stroll to my home (I live near the Opera). Cost of the night in town: 85 .
Sunday: wake up at 11am, tea at home, she wasn't hungry. Bus to her hotel (2 each) so that she can change clothes. From her hotel, long stroll through picturesque areas, at 4 pm stop in a nice typical french brasserie near my home, she wasn't hungry, I had to force her to share with me one plate of frogs and one creme brulιe, this with thow bottles of Chardonnais, bill 60 . Back home for a wild fuck and more wine. At 11 pm, walk to a modest brasilian place with live music and great atmosphere, three beers each and some "casquinho de caranquejo" (crabmeat covered with manioc) , bill 42 . Walk back home. Cost of the day: 110 .
Monday (was vacation day here) : wake up at 11 am, cafe plus croissant at a cafe terrace, bill 12 . Stroll and suntanning at the Louvre Gardens during two hours. Shopping to La Maison du Chocolat (high-end stuff) where I buy her as a gift some chocolate truffes, cost 28 . Then stop in a cafe, one omelette for two and a bottle of rosι at the terrace, bill 34 . Taxi to her hotel 10 . Her bus leaves at 3 pm to Nice and then Italy. Long kiss goodbye. Cost of the day: 85 (gift included)
Cost of the weekend: around 280 . She sent an sms from the bus to say that she will be grateful forever for this weekend that was the most wonderful of her life.
As a side note: what great women Russian women are. Beside being honest, . Emotional, smart, cultured, witty, selfless, fun and great conversationalists, again and again I'm amazed by their liking for no-holds barred sex and their skills at oral. They are definitely the best and most enthousiastic blowers on the planet. It's literally amazing. There must be some special schools in Russia where they learn to suck dicks. She was with my cock like a starving dog in front of a roast chicken. No way to move her away from it, even by force (not that I tried too harshly though).
What a great weekend.Hi Prosal,
Yes I can imagine you and her had a great time. Well Paris is on the Radar for every girl who hasn't been to Western Europe before.
I have been to Paris many times, and I know that there are loads of places where good bargains and good times can be had at reasonable prices.
Same thing in London, which has the reputation as one of the most expensive cities in the World.
The only thing about London which puts me off inviting girls over, is the Hotel Costs which are really expensive.
And being attached at present doesn't help either.
The 2 lovely students from Minsk wanted to come over to London.
But the thing is, I need to send them an invitation letter to get a Uk visa.
And the first thing the British Embassy will look at, is the age gap of more than 20 years between us. And another thing with me being married and they are single young students. There is no way they will grant them a visa.
I have an ex English girlfriend who does Bed and Breakfast in her home in an upmarket Location in London, but still I need to pay her for 2 single rooms or 1 double.
Had I been single or unattached, I would have got BL girls or Ukrainian girls to visit me in London.
Then the cost for me will be a lot cheaper than entertaining my American Females.
On a side note. My JoJo home team are seriously considering the option of.
Stopping at Tashkent on the Way to the Far East next Winter.
The best way to do it is on Uzbekistan Airlines from London, with 2 stopovers at Tashkent on both legs of the journey.
A good combination of Culture and mongering on the side for me, when I get the chance to get away.
Cheers.
Could be different in Belarus but I doubt it. Thing are usually wrapped up for Uni students after the first week of June. The graduating class is gone by the end of May.
Major cities tend to empty of students as they head back home or go on vacation for the summer.
Does anyone have a scoop on what's it like in Minsk first two weeks in June? I get impression from talking with girls that students have their exams up until end of June. And in terms of tourists (like us) , is everyone coming in June or later months in the summer?. Thanks
I have been to Paris many times, and I know that there are loads of places where good bargains and good times can be had at reasonable prices.
Same thing in London, which has the reputation as one of the most expensive cities in the World.Same in Moscow or Piter by the way (and I guess in Minsk also). No need to go to ridiculously expensive glam venues to have fun. You can have in mid-level places a uber fun night out with multiple drinks for two for 100 . I am not stingy, but if a girl tries to drag me to an high-end club where cocktails cost 15, I write her off immediatly, there is thousands over thousands other girls available who will be happy to be treated in fun but unpretentious places.
Tashkent is damn cheap by the way, maybe the cheapest in FSU (maybe along with Turkmenistan).
PS: don't know why I initially posted that my Belarus was still a student on the weekend costs report, my bad, she now works as I said as a side note.
Two Belarussian girls that I treated in a georgian restaurant in Paris a few months ago:
Could be different in Belarus but I doubt it. Thing are usually wrapped up for Uni students after the first week of June. The graduating class is gone by the end of May.
Major cities tend to empty of students as they head back home or go on vacation for the summer.Don't poke your nose here and talk about a city you never been to, giving advice.
Get your Ass back to the Ukraine forum, you have lot to answer there.
Belarus doesn't need your kind of custom.
Same in Moscow or Piter by the way (and I guess in Minsk also). No need to go to ridiculously expensive glam venues to have fun. You can have in mid-level places a uber fun night out with multiple drinks for two for 100 . I am not stingy, but if a girl tries to drag me to an high-end club where cocktails cost 15, I write her off immediatly, there is thousands over thousands other girls available who will be happy to be treated in fun but unpretentious places.
Tashkent is damn cheap by the way, maybe the cheapest in FSU (maybe along with Turkmenistan).
PS: don't know why I initially posted that my Belarus was still a student on the weekend costs report, my bad, she now works as I said as a side note.
Two Belarussian girls that I treated in a georgian restaurant in Paris a few months ago:What puts me off Moscow are the stories one reads here about the Militia and the drunken Russian thugs with a chip on their shoulders towards westerners seen with Russian Women. And secondly the hassle with the visa.
It also means I need to fly direct there. At present I get such bargains on Raynair and wizzair to many destinations in the EE.
But like I told Canadian Boy I am going to Try Kaliningrad first. Poland next door.
In Minsk I hardly saw the Police there unlike Kiev. I also felt very safe and relaxed in a very strange way in MINSK.
Next time I would like to try the country villages.
Funny you mention the Georgian Restaurant in Paris, because one of my favourite food is Georgian. Tried it few times in London. .
There is a very good Georgian, I think the only one in Kensington near the Lycee.
Also in Kiev. And I am sure in Minsk as well.
Saw a lot of Georgian mongers in westworld club in Minsk. So I guess it can't be that good for mongring in Tiblisi.
My home Jojos are really excited about Tashkent, they are reading all about it.
It doesn't sound suspicous to them, as a mongering potential.
BTW I have queried the accuracy of the report by the London Evening Standard on the prices quoted in their covering of tashkent. They merely said that those prices were paid by their Travel Editor.
It must be that he was loading it on his expenses.
Thanks for your list of prices there.
Yeah it does look cheap. .
Of course all of this depending on Iran and the Mullahs there with their Nuclear Turbans. Uzbekistan is close to any would be action.
Then where would we hide?
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Jojosun, you have nothing to worry about as a foreigner in Minks. Kiev is safe too, plenty of tourists there. Same for Moscow, just use common sense as you would in any big city.
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