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Background:
I have visited Kiev for hobby purposes 8 times since 2009. However, this is my first trip since the summer of 2012. Kiev has been unusually warm this December with highs of 8 C. However, this will change next week as the temperatures will drop to a low of -11 C! The current exchange rate is 24.5 UAH to a Dollar and 26.5 UAH to the Euro. I am on the wrong side of 50, know some Russian and do not have a particular budget- which means, within reason, I spend as I see fit. I have a good size black book with lots of telephone numbers of girls from my previous trips and I have done my homework mostly on Mamba before landing in Kiev. I have setup evening dates for the first two nights of my arrival. I have rented an apartment in the center close to many EU embassies in Kiev.
Safety:
I know this has been discussed extensively in the forum recently. The center appears to be void of any police presence. I am not sure I have seen any police officers or vehicles since I arrived. I am not sure if this is good or bad as Ukraine police's reputation is less than stellar! Private security guards appear in front of most embassies though including the German and the Swedish. Some reports had expressed safety concerns. Frankly, I had never been concerned about my personal safety before in Kiev and walked the City streets at all different hours but I must confess this trip I have been more careful as there are more dangerous looking elements on the streets of the center. Let us not over react here, I still do not believe Kiev is any less safe than London, New York or Paris. So let us keep things in perspective but yes safety situation in Kiev is not as good as before.
Prices:
If you think Kiev is a bargain because of the current exchange rates or the state of the economy in Ukraine, you are in for a shock. Accommodation (Western Style) , decent food and the girls have all adjusted for the exchange rate pretty much. Alright let us discuss girl prices as I think food and accommodation is not what we are here for in this forum. I will share with you club girl prices, Rio girl prices and Mamba girl prices. I met two club girls who quoted me $300 for an hour or two. Subjectively I would rate them 8-9 which I declined naturally. Rio girls (those that actually go out) are still $300 for 3 hours and yes you do have to pay in advance; the club does not offer credit! You pay the girl before taking here out. Mamba girls have been discussed at length but they also know the value of their relative beauties and charms. If you can actually get their real photos on Mamba, those that I subjectively rate as 5 or less can be had for around 1500 UAH for 1-2 hours. Those that I subjectively rate at 5-7, ask for $100 but may be ok with 2000 UAH for short time (2 hours). The prettier ones, those that I subjectively rate at 7-9, all 3 stopped responding to my messages when I offered them 3000 UAH for short time (ST)! So I do not know for sure what they would go for but I do not need to know I guess! In short, the days when you could stick to your guns and offer 1000 UAH for 2-3 hours for a decent girl are long gone.
RIO:
The demise of RIO is greatly exaggerated. I live two blocks away from the club and drop by often not so much to pick up girls but more because I like to see naked girls (topless) move on stage for an hour or two before retiring. Yes it is true the quality of girls at RIO has gone done over the years but again from my perspective, I would accept 90% of the RIO girls to bed, I would pay $300 for 3 hours to about 10% of the RIO girls. I just am not sure how many of that 10%, I could tolerate their attitude but again that is all subjective. It remains true that while convenient to visit an open brothel, RIO girls have never been a bargain in Kiev.
One note about Sandra (RIO dancer). I went for a 400 UAH private with her (lasts 2 songs) - I gave her a 500 UAH note. I let her go before the second song was over. She decided to keep the balance of 100 UAH as her tip I guess and disappeared in the club. 100 UAH means little to us but I wonder how club manager would react?
Other observations:
Some reports had expressed a more hostile attitude towards foreigners, particularly to Westerners. I am afraid, I felt some of that. I am not sure this hostility or indifference is any more pronounced than the attitude shown towards some of our Turkish or Middle Eastern brothers. Yes please be aware and consider carefully before engaging in political discussions. I am hoping this is common sense for most of us.
Clubs are dead (really dead) mid week but become uncomfortably crowded over the weekends.
Smoking indoors (clubs-bars) is still the norm in Kiev based on the evidence I have witnessed so far.
Traffic is worse than I remembered; I would compare it to NY and London in the center of Kiev! Perhaps because of the holidays, the traffic has been worse? Be careful walking on the streets; do not assume as a pedestrian you have the right of way anywhere!
You read about doomsday scenario about the country's Economy in most publications; well I am not sure this has really reached the Kiev public. I saw no evident of panic. Ukrainian rich spend money like it is going out of style. It is still common to see flashy cars driven by 22 year old girls and boys of the wealthy.
I went over lunch today to Maiden where they have photos of the recent dead due to the recent political events\war. I ended up contributing to 7 different collector boxes as every regiment in the armed forces and hospital serving the military in Ukraine is raising funds separately. If true, this does not surprise me entirely.
I am here for another week or so. I will do another report after I get home. I guess the question some of you may be asking is " is it worth going to Kiev to monger still? I am not sure I have an answer for you so far. Maybe by the end of next week, I will have more to say about that.
PM if you have any questions and I will try to answer. As always I am willing to share contacts with those who have shared with me or contribute to the forum adequately.
I hope this helps.Thanks for your report. I was in Kiev last summer and now planning my next trip. I search for the young and sexy students looking for some extra money, can you help and let me know where can nowadays find these girls? Thanks in advance for your help.
I'm off to Kiev for the first time (1 day) but am unfortunately arriving on a Tuesday (the 19th) and staying until the 20th. I hope to make regular trips moving forwards but wanted to sample the delights of EE at least once before committing to another job relocation.
I know this is a super rookie ask but I'm looking for a top quality escort with stellar looks. Price isn't too much of a concern unless, of course, it gets ridiculous. Since I don't have the luxury of time to "grind out a gem", as someone before me has posted, do any of you gentlemen have any suggestions on where I could go or which agencies I should contact? Or, if you've got your own starlets, perhaps you could share info? .
I'm currently trying to use Kiev-x and intimgirls without much progress, and am setting up a Mamba account as well.
I'm located in China and am an experienced, albeit younger, hobbyist. Let me know if you're ever in Beijing or Shanghai!
For reference, some of the pornstars I really like:
Anjelica / Ebbi.
Michelle H.
Sheri Vi.
(slender, natural, between 18 and 24 IE. I'm only 25).
If among their choices, they say the are looking for sex or a meet-up, and they want to meet either a"a guy", or a man 30 to 60, then they are pros.
Hi everybody,
I'm new on this site.
Some of you met girls on mamba. How do you distinguish prostitutes from "normal" girls on this website?
Some of them write they are looking for sex, among other things. That s a criteria, I suppose.
Did you ask girls who had not written they were looking for sex?
How did they react?
Nobody complained?
Hello,
I am in Kiev and am looking for a good looking female prostitute over 55 years of age. I love very mature women! Any tips?
Thanks,
Filip
Dion Cassius
05-01-16, 22:18
Hi,
I was in Kiev in the beginning of January and I booked two girls from Gia.
The first one was Mary: It was very easy to communicate with her (she speaks English fluently) and the service was good but not astounding.
Later I booked Nastia: her English was limited but her skills did make up for it. Unfortunately she left early after a phone call. A disappointing end.
The two girls had put on a little weight compared to the pictures on website (Winter fat?) but it is a minor niggle.
Communication by phone with the agency was not always easy: no booking was possible in advance by mail, I had to phone the day I wanted the girl and the manager does not make a lot of effort to be nice.
I hope this helps.
Hi,
I was in Kiev in the beginning of January and I booked two girls from Gia.
The first one was Mary: It was very easy to communicate with her (she speaks English fluently) and the service was good but not astounding.
Later I booked Nastia: her English was limited but her skills did make up for it. Unfortunately she left early after a phone call. A disappointing end.
The two girls had put on a little weight compared to the pictures on website (Winter fat?) but it is a minor niggle.
Communication by phone with the agency was not always easy: no booking was possible in advance by mail, I had to phone the day I wanted the girl and the manager does not make a lot of effort to be nice.
I hope this helps.I think it makes sense to pay attention to the Gia girls when in Kiev. I never used the agency, but I'm going to call them if they get a new to the industry teen that looks hot.
Hi,
I was in Kiev in the beginning of January and I booked two girls from Gia.
The first one was Mary: It was very easy to communicate with her (she speaks English fluently) and the service was good but not astounding.
Later I booked Nastia: her English was limited but her skills did make up for it. Unfortunately she left early after a phone call. A disappointing end.
The two girls had put on a little weight compared to the pictures on website (Winter fat?) but it is a minor niggle.
Communication by phone with the agency was not always easy: no booking was possible in advance by mail, I had to phone the day I wanted the girl and the manager does not make a lot of effort to be nice.
I hope this helps.Anyone tried anal with any of the Gia girls? Will they cooperate or is it just advertisement on the Gia website?
Anyone tried anal with any of the Gia girls? Will they cooperate or is it just advertisement on the Gia website?I did with this girl a while ago.
I believe they do what they say they do, unless you're not nice to them.
Escort agency in Kiev:
http://kiev-escorts.info/
Escort agency in Kiev:
http://kiev-escorts.info/Did you try the agency. ? +44-744-. -. Is a Russian phone number. Kiev is not Russia.
Which other stripclubs have private rooms where you can have sex with a girl?
I know Penthouse has. But does Dolls or Rio have such rooms as well?
I know I can take girls back to the hotel, but sometimes I prefer to have sex in the club itself.
Which other stripclubs have private rooms where you can have sex with a girl?
I know Penthouse has. But does Dolls or Rio have such rooms as well?
I know I can take girls back to the hotel, but sometimes I prefer to have sex in the club itself.Red Lion Club did have rooms few years ago.
Rio doesn't,never had.
Which other stripclubs have private rooms where you can have sex with a girl?
I know Penthouse has. But does Dolls or Rio have such rooms as well?
I know I can take girls back to the hotel, but sometimes I prefer to have sex in the club itself.This one did in 2013. I don't know it it still does.
http://striptease.ua/eng/clubs/xxi-century#tab-contacts.
This one did in 2013. I don't know it it still does.
http://striptease.ua/eng/clubs/xxi-century#tab-contacts.Hi Sorbonne,
Glad to see you still active after all those years in pursuit of our hobby.
Cheers.
Hi Sorbonne,
Glad to see you still active after all those years in pursuit of our hobby.
Cheers.Hope things are going well with you!
I don't think it's so bad to make it a lifestyle, LOL.
But right now I need to sort things out and set priorities straight.
Cheers to you, too!
Last time I used this service, cheap, honest, use google translate or call them phone or Skype.
http://bingotaxi.kiev.ua/uslugi.html and http://bingotaxi.kiev.ua/raschet_marshruta.html.How about uber, there is an app.
Hope things are going well with you!
I don't think it's so bad to make it a lifestyle, LOL.
But right now I need to sort things out and set priorities straight.
Cheers to you, too!Between Houston, London and few other places in between, I've never had it so good. Can't complain, except its doing a lot of damage to my budget But that's main expense anyway with all the other things associated with mongering. One needs to adapt to the constant changing world of mongering and stop moaning.
MasterSpec
10-11-16, 03:26
If among their choices, they say the are looking for sex or a meet-up, and they want to meet either a"a guy", or a man 30 to 60, then they are pros.I was in a small city, 120 km far from Kiev last year. I called a couple of numbers found on ukrgo.com and all the ones who was able to respond were actually agencies. They all ask for the advance payment through ATM look like machines. I sent money two separate agencies, 500 grivna as they said. Later, when I called them to confirm the payment, they both asked for additional 500 grivna. In both cases, I did not proceed with the second 500 grivna. Just be aware and do not pay in advance unless it is trusted agency. Actually never pay in advance anyone same in Canada applies to lawyers based on my experiences, which are different kind of prostitutes.
For those who love hard anal sex (inexpensive.) 24-25 years of age. Not a model, like a little Vietnamese girl from film about Wietnam War.
https://www.facebook.com/marinka.marinoczka
Sucks dick passionately. She does not speak any languages other than Slavonic. I fucked her three times a year ago. I can not call it beauty but its advantages is the pretty face and big beautiful eyes. Elastic body, her ass is not bad, but the waist is not visible. Perhaps the most good and sexy it is a big firm Ukrainian breasts) yes) Unfortunately her shoulders as wide as her waist.
Great hot and heavy breasts. We speak Russian. I gave her then 400 hryvnia. Now she is asking 500-600 hryvnia from local men (She has two children).
(600 with anal sex) .
Simple girl from some village or small poor city 100 km. Near Kiev.
Hey there,
Any of you tried dolly massage place? And relaxkiev.com? Or any relieable site?
Hey there,
Any of you tried dolly massage place? And relaxkiev.com? Or any reliable site?I don't know those two.
I was on Moulin rouger (lot of girls, but madame can be a bit tricky with prices, you have to agree before) also roksolana and allure, few girls, but some good ones, (I recommend Antonella in first one and Alyssa in second one).
Hey there,
Any of you tried dolly massage place? And relaxkiev.com? Or any relieable site?I would also like to know about relaxkiev. It looks very straight forward on pricing and photos. Is it good and reliable. I got something to exchange, when you come to West Coast of US, use Nightshift. Its got reviews on girls too. Its just like the old myredbook.
I don't know those two.
I was on Moulin rouger (lot of girls, but madame can be a bit tricky with prices, you have to agree before) also roksolana and allure, few girls, but some good ones, (I recommend Antonella in first one and Alyssa in second one).Do they offer only massages? I saw Moulin Rouge web site, it's seem a real brothel more than a beauty and massage salon.
I was in front of allure and I didn't saw it, next time.
Do they offer only massages? I saw Moulin Rouge web site, it's seem a real brothel more than a beauty and massage salon.
I was in front of allure and I didn't saw it, next time.I frequented Moulin Rouge on just one occasion, you walk in, they present a few types of programs, they quote a price and they do pretty much what they say they'll do. I think they follow their guidelines. But if you're a frequent visitor maybe they'll provide additional services for an additional price. I got the feeling it was a very professional run massage salon, with no additional extras at any cost.
HelianthusRex
10-20-17, 11:46
Hey,
New to the forum here.
What are the top 3 massage parlours in Kiev at the moment?
Looking for young models with pleasant demeanour.
Hey,
New to the forum here.
What are the top 3 massage parlours in Kiev at the moment?
Looking for young models with pleasant demeanour.Go to Moscow.
Go to Moscow.I was in Moscow. The prices are cosmic. The food is insanely expensive. The cafe is expensive. The coffee in the center of Moscow is just like madness. Who do you want to fool your invitations into this insane pathos city? The average salary in Moscow is 1500 dollars. I wish everyone success.
This is a branch dedicated to Kiev and Ukraine. The branch about Moscow in another place.
The average salary in Russia is two to three times higher than in Ukraine. Oh, yes, I forgot! Russian girls despite the higher salaries are more open and more accessible. And not as arrogant as the Ukrainians. Yes. They are so cute and simple. They so want romantic sex with foreigners. We are here in the club of writers of fairy tales? Plus do you have time and desire to receive a Russian visa? Plus do you have time and desire to receive a Russian visa? Do you have so much free time?
Whatever you do in Kiev. Whoever you meet in Kiev.
When the place you enter or the girl shows up from your hour long research. Different from what you saw online.
1. Get out. And send the girl back. Be the boss, don't be naive, loaded tourist. Once you show that kind of tough and rough attitude, they will bend and be more friendly.
2. If you are desperate for sex, go back home and kill that blue ball on your own first. Then you can breathe and find the quality pleasure rather than wasting your hard-earned dollars or euros by kissing asses or working for dumb ass bosses.
3. People in Kiev sex business are really spoiled and as the economy gets bad, their hopes are higher on foreigner's money without lowering their attitude.
That's the current address.
Hello guys,
Can you recommend some good passionate girl who loves give a good blowjob in Kiev?
Gia's website claims to provide apartments but the operator I had claims they don't do it. They may had just been copying and pasting from the prebust site.
I can't bring a girl to my Airbnb because the host could find out and I could get banned (and Airbnb is usually the cheapest and most varied housing app out there).
So I had to do another site (which I can risk a ban on). I think I found a ground floor no security guard apartment.
But I have a problem where if a Gia girl gets pregnant then she could track me down and sue for child support or something. Like half the women at Gia have kids (presumably from Johns).
Booking dotcom doesn't have my passport info but the owner does have an unregistered number of mine (linked to my real email similiar to a Google Voice).
I wonder if I should give Gia a fake name in case one of their girls tries to track me down a year later.
Or I have time to chicken out and don't meet anyone (but lose out on some money by paying for two apartments).
Member #4722
09-12-18, 04:59
Gia's website claims to provide apartments but the operator I had claims they don't do it. They may had just been copying and pasting from the prebust site.
I can't bring a girl to my Airbnb because the host could find out and I could get banned (and Airbnb is usually the cheapest and most varied housing app out there).
So I had to do another site (which I can risk a ban on). I think I found a ground floor no security guard apartment.
But I have a problem where if a Gia girl gets pregnant then she could track me down and sue for child support or something. Like half the women at Gia have kids (presumably from Johns).
Booking dotcom doesn't have my passport info but the owner does have an unregistered number of mine (linked to my real email similiar to a Google Voice).
I wonder if I should give Gia a fake name in case one of their girls tries to track me down a year later.
Or I have time to chicken out and don't meet anyone (but lose out on some money by paying for two apartments).Wear a rubber.
Hello guys,
Can you recommend some good passionate girl who loves give a good blowjob in Kiev?Kiev is full with scammers of all sorts. Male and female. But these stories are never told because people are ashamed to confess it.
Wear a rubber.Absolutely! Are there really guys out who make sex with working girls without rubber! . !
PhotoSlider
09-12-18, 18:25
Wear a rubber.And if so concerned- do not fly to Kiev for mongering.
Seriously speaking, it is expected to be reasonably cautious, but girls will feel paranoid behavior and respond accordingly. And then it is not going to be enjoyable for both parties involved.
The value of GIA used to be trust, at least in the past, with most of their providers.
DramaFree11
09-23-18, 23:51
Kiev is full with scammers of all sorts. Male and female. But these stories are never told because people are ashamed to confess it.
Well said, most are in complete denial about the scam in Kiev, they choose to ignore and do not report about them. This is a big dis-service to newbies.
BangNibiru
02-26-19, 02:51
Brother,
I'm from India and planning to visit Kiev in sometime may, can you please provide inputs on gia's Site which give directions to apartment. My pm is active dude. Will be oblige if you can guide me because I m not able to find googling. Your support will be highly appreciable. Also being an outsider I hope it safe too.
Gia's website claims to provide apartments but the operator I had claims they don't do it. They may had just been copying and pasting from the prebust site.
I can't bring a girl to my Airbnb because the host could find out and I could get banned (and Airbnb is usually the cheapest and most varied housing app out there).
So I had to do another site (which I can risk a ban on). I think I found a ground floor no security guard apartment.
But I have a problem where if a Gia girl gets pregnant then she could track me down and sue for child support or something. Like half the women at Gia have kids (presumably from Johns)..
PleaseTease
03-02-19, 16:18
I am interested in advice on massage in Kiev. I am looking for something like Tantra or a massage where you are teased for the whole duration of the massage.
I am more looking for a erotic massage than a body to body massage, it is more important that the hand massage is good, but still with a attractive girl.
Also the place needs to be nice and fresh.
I am interested in advice on massage in Kiev. I am looking for something like Tantra or a massage where you are teased for the whole duration of the massage.
I am more looking for a erotic massage than a body to body massage, it is more important that the hand massage is good, but still with a attractive girl.
Also the place needs to be nice and fresh.Did you ever get any info on this? I'll be there in a couple months and want to have something similar.
BreezyHome
04-17-19, 20:50
The other Kiev thread seems to be a bunch of people writing short stories to each other. I'll just leave a note here that I contacted while I was there without any issue. Booking was straightforward in English. Girl arrived, she matched the photos, and I had a good session. I'll probably repeat next time I visit.
The other Kiev thread seems to be a bunch of people writing short stories to each other. I'll just leave a note here that I contacted while I was there without any issue. Booking was straightforward in English. Girl arrived, she matched the photos, and I had a good session. I'll probably repeat next time I visit.Haha. That is my thoughts too. It is mostly guys just patting themselves on the back with stories and lies.
BreezyHome
04-28-19, 12:37
The other Kiev thread seems to be a bunch of people writing short stories to each other. I'll just leave a note here that I contacted while I was there without any issue. Booking was straightforward in English. Girl arrived, she matched the photos, and I had a good session. I'll probably repeat next time I visit.I just noticed that the agency name was omitted from my post. The website was escort. Vc and it has been mentioned many times in this forum as GIA or KEC.
I just noticed that the agency name was omitted from my post. The website was escort. Vc and it has been mentioned many times in this forum as GIA or KEC.People should only use VC as a last resort. Their photos are real, but often 2-4 years old. One of the girls claiming to be 20 have reviews 4 years old. Of course there are some good ones in there. Maya just looked too hot for me to pass up last September and I met her. She is 21. I think the site says 18-19, but was still hot.
Haha. That is my thoughts too. It is mostly guys just patting themselves on the back with stories and lies.I can't say if they're "lies" but yeah it's like same 4-5 guys commenting on each others posts. Feels like noone else doing mongering in Kiev or not bothered about this forum.
BreezyHome
04-30-19, 19:49
People should only use VC as a last resort. Their photos are real, but often 2-4 years old. One of the girls claiming to be 20 have reviews 4 years old. Of course there are some good ones in there. Maya just looked too hot for me to pass up last September and I met her. She is 21. I think the site says 18-19, but was still hot.I was only in town briefly and didn't want to spend much energy finding company. For this, I found it worked well and thought that was worthy of a report. As for girls not being the age they claim to be. That seems almost universal. Perhaps they're more honest on dating apps? Even then I find dating apps to be tiring.
PhotoSlider
05-01-19, 07:10
People should only use VC as a last resort. Their photos are real, but often 2-4 years old. One of the girls claiming to be 20 have reviews 4 years old. Of course there are some good ones in there. Maya just looked too hot for me to pass up last September and I met her. She is 21. I think the site says 18-19, but was still hot.When confronted with 20 years old girls having 4 years old feedback, VC management states that girls do not want to post their real age for privacy reasons.
The usual VC / KEC / GIA spinning bullshit.
There are good girls there. Very expensive though. It is only worthwhile when money is not an issue, or time is of essence during short visit, or previous date has been canceled, and badly need a new somewhat reliable girl.
On average 80% of GIA girls that I ordered in the past were great. About 60% of them I met later on again. 40% - I am still in contact with. That is significantly better than grinding through the cheaper agencies in search for a keeper.
I can only second this statement. Same experience.
If I am in lack of time and want to have a level of quality certainty of getting laid, I often turn to KEC / GIA.
However: if you have some time and you want to experience more of a GF feeling, with non-pro BJ etc, but on the other hand somehow more exciting route. Use Mamba. But this means you need to invest time and will sometimes also be disappointed.
Just a bit more like if you pick up a girl on your vacation in a Disco.
Cheap agencies however were always a crapy experience for me: the photos were usually not only photoshopped, but rather completly other girls they found on the web that they send you.
Once I showed up most girls were only in the 3-4 range. And this is not what I want to pay for. One time I even had the feeling most of them looked sick. I turned around and went my way out.
When confronted with 20 years old girls having 4 years old feedback, VC management states that girls do not want to post their real age for privacy reasons.
The usual VC / KEC / GIA spinning bullshit.
There are good girls there. Very expensive though. It is only worthwhile when money is not an issue, or time is of essence during short visit, or previous date has been canceled, and badly need a new somewhat reliable girl.
On average 80% of GIA girls that I ordered in the past were great. About 60% of them I met later on again. 40% - I am still in contact with. That is significantly better than grinding through the cheaper agencies in search for a keeper.
PhotoSlider
05-02-19, 22:51
I can only second this statement. Same experience.
If I am in lack of time and want to have a level of quality certainty of getting laid, I often turn to KEC / GIA.What is your opinion of KEC service quality, since a year ago GIA has been busted and then resurrected under new management?
I myself worked out more affordable approach with flexible sources, grinding through known agencies and keeping a trusted circle of regulars.
There's a feeling that KEC dispatchers for the last year became considerably worse after the flip from GIA.
What about the KEC girls themselves nowadays? I had 8 beauties so far. 3 of them we not bad, but I would not repeat. 5 were outstanding every time I met them.
DramaFree11
05-03-19, 00:18
I can only second this statement. Same experience.
If I am in lack of time and want to have a level of quality certainty of getting laid, I often turn to KEC / GIA.
However: if you have some time and you want to experience more of a GF feeling, with non-pro BJ etc, but on the other hand somehow more exciting route. Use Mamba. But this means you need to invest time and will sometimes also be disappointed.
Just a bit more like if you pick up a girl on your vacation in a Disco.
Cheap agencies however were always a crapy experience for me: the photos were usually not only photoshopped, but rather completly other girls they found on the web that they send you.
Once I showed up most girls were only in the 3-4 range. And this is not what I want to pay for. One time I even had the feeling most of them looked sick. I turned around and went my way out.Great report, to do a great job of capturing both the good and bad of Kiev.
Anyone want to swap Mamba contacts? I usually just like to see a girl once and take some numbers. PM me. Prefer 18-24 yo and natural looking.
What is your opinion of KEC service quality, since a year ago GIA has been busted and then resurrected under new management?
I myself worked out more affordable approach with flexible sources, grinding through known agencies and keeping a trusted circle of regulars.
There's a feeling that KEC dispatchers for the last year became considerably worse after the flip from GIA.
What about the KEC girls themselves nowadays? I had 8 beauties so far. 3 of them we not bad, but I would not repeat. 5 were outstanding every time I met them.Their prices are much higher now then before, sometimes I see them have average looking girls, no BBJ for $300, terrible, I can get better looking girls for better price where I am.
They photoshop photos, so if you use them its better to make it no more than 1 hour appointment for the 1st meeting.
PhotoSlider
06-30-19, 19:13
Their prices are much higher now then before, sometimes I see them have average looking girls, no BBJ for $300, terrible, I can get better looking girls for better price where I am.And the result is obvious: no more reports on KEC girls on this Forum, while GIA has been reviewed regularly.
Fewer customers means that free market eventually reorganizes the structure of service providers. Valuable KEC ladies, even those residing in Ukraine, and not traveling much, find income elsewhere. Mamba, Tinder, exclusive closed agencies, or indies not advertising on web, but available via Viber and such.
KEC became one of many rip-offs, not representing anything of much interest. It took less than a year for a great agency to disappear into oblivion. There are still great girls there, but success rate and satisfaction level used to be significantly higher.
DramaFree11
06-30-19, 21:03
Their prices are much higher now then before, sometimes I see them have average looking girls, no BBJ for $300, terrible, I can get better looking girls for better price where I am.
They photoshop photos, so if you use them its better to make it no more than 1 hour appointment for the 1st meeting.Complete Rip Off.
exclusive closed agencies, or indies not advertising on web, but available via Viber and such.In March 2018, I met a Kiev escort girl outside of Ukraine. After our first meeting, I told her I wanted to meet again, and she freely gave me her number, saying not to tell agent. We did meet again in May 2018 (it was funny I sent her a message 1 day before her intended travel to the same city we met) and I had to take a "detour" on my holiday that weekend, which I did have a spare day, which was an expensive rtain trip, compared to the original plane trip. Unfortunately, it took me 7 months to even ask if she travels to clients, and a further 2 months for us to eventually confirm a travel invitation (Jan-Mar was not a good time for an invite). At the time, I did not know she was a travel girl. It was awesome that she did eventually visit, even though she said she was more impressed / surprised she boarded the plane (I don't know why she said that, when she's a travelgirl, and we met before). Long story short, she expected too much (more like a BFE from her side, than a GFE from my side) from our first meeting in the same town as I live in, that I thought it was totally doomed for a next meeting. Honestly, it was my fault, as 1) the weather was shit (early April), and 2) I didn't know she wanted to visit the main city, which unfortunately for a german'ish country, most things are closed on a Sunday.
Fortunately, I asked if we could meet again 6 weeks later, which I then proposed a city that no girl would refuse. Venice. Weirdly enough, she never been there. This was another 3 day meeting. Which went better than expected, but still the same shit. She eventually became snarky, just like the first time. By the end of it, she was send messages via her agent with her next potential custerom (greek, according to the glimpse of the photo on her phone).
In terms of quality. She is a 10/10 for her petite body. Personality wise was something else.
I know this year (in 4 months), according to her passport, she's been to the following (excluding my invites):
* Istanbul, Turkey (2 nights).
* Bucharest, Romania (3 nights).
* Paris, France (2 nights).
* Bali (2 weeks, multiple hotels according to her, some fuck holiday?
* Istanbul #2, Turkey (1 night).
* Munich then Frankfurt, Germany (3 nights).
* Athens, Greece (1 night).
* Barcelona, Spain (3 nights).
* Athens #2, Greece (2 nights).
* Istanbul #3, Turkey (1 night?
* Munich #2, Germany (2 nights).
So my question is this: Would it ever be possible to find this girl's agency?
I did ask her, and she said she has no agency / website. I challenged her why she travelled 10 times this year, and she went spastic at me: "Why 10? Why not 25? Crazy face " Then I sent a page out of her passport with her visiting Munich / Frankfurt just before visiting me, and she didn't reply after that. I still have her "work" and personal phone number (she uses her personal number to message via agent), but since the end of the second meeting was a disaster on her part, I don't think she would ever meet me again. She eventually admitted to me that she found a BF a few weeks ago, and that she is now happy. She did mention she will move in with him, whether it lasts a few months or longer term, she does not know. (which kinda explained why she seemed semi-unhappy before our second rendevouz). Or it could be a ploy to make me not send messages to her again.
Photos attached. Photo of her sleeping in two of our meetings, plus the swimsuit I gave her, that she was impressed with (the video was made post-meeting, and was the final few images before she stopped posting them via whatsapp profile photo / status).
Nice report. I have seen this girl on SA and had communication with her. She seems very eager to travel.
In March 2018, I met a Kiev escort girl outside of Ukraine. After our first meeting, I told her I wanted to meet again, and she freely gave me her number, saying not to tell agent. We did meet again in May 2018 (it was funny I sent her a message 1 day before her intended travel to the same city we met) and I had to take a "detour" on my holiday that weekend, which I did have a spare day, which was an expensive rtain trip, compared to the original plane trip. Unfortunately, it took me 7 months to even ask if she travels to clients, and a further 2 months for us to eventually confirm a travel invitation (Jan-Mar was not a good time for an invite). At the time, I did not know she was a travel girl. It was awesome that she did eventually visit, even though she said she was more impressed / surprised she boarded the plane (I don't know why she said that, when she's a travelgirl, and we met before). Long story short, she expected too much (more like a BFE from her side, than a GFE from my side) from our first meeting in the same town as I live in, that I thought it was totally doomed for a next meeting. Honestly, it was my fault, as 1) the weather was shit (early April), and 2) I didn't know she wanted to visit the main city, which unfortunately for a german'ish country, most things are closed on a Sunday.
Fortunately, I asked if we could meet again 6 weeks later, which I then proposed a city that no girl would refuse. Venice. Weirdly enough, she never been there. This was another 3 day meeting. Which went better than expected, but still the same shit. She eventually became snarky, just like the first time. By the end of it, she was send messages via her agent with her next potential custerom (greek, according to the glimpse of the photo on her phone).
In terms of quality. She is a 10/10 for her petite body. Personality wise was something else.
I know this year (in 4 months), according to her passport, she's been to the following (excluding my invites):
* Istanbul, Turkey (2 nights).
* Bucharest, Romania (3 nights)..
In March 2018, I met a Kiev escort girl outside of Ukraine. After our first meeting, I told her I wanted to meet again, and she freely gave me her number, saying not to tell agent. We did meet again in May 2018 (it was funny I sent her a message 1 day before her intended travel to the same city we met) and I had to take a "detour" on my holiday that weekend, which I did have a spare day, which was an expensive rtain trip, compared to the original plane trip. Unfortunately, it took me 7 months to even ask if she travels to clients, and a further 2 months for us to eventually confirm a travel invitation (Jan-Mar was not a good time for an invite). At the time, I did not know she was a travel girl. It was awesome that she did eventually visit, even though she said she was more impressed / surprised she boarded the plane (I don't know why she said that, when she's a travelgirl, and we met before). Long story short, she expected too much (more like a BFE from her side, than a GFE from my side) from our first meeting in the same town as I live in, that I thought it was totally doomed for a next meeting. Honestly, it was my fault, as 1) the weather was shit (early April), and 2) I didn't know she wanted to visit the main city, which unfortunately for a german'ish country, most things are closed on a Sunday.
Fortunately, I asked if we could meet again 6 weeks later, which I then proposed a city that no girl would refuse. Venice. Weirdly enough, she never been there. This was another 3 day meeting. Which went better than expected, but still the same shit. She eventually became snarky, just like the first time. By the end of it, she was send messages via her agent with her next potential custerom (greek, according to the glimpse of the photo on her phone).
In terms of quality. She is a 10/10 for her petite body. Personality wise was something else.
I know this year (in 4 months), according to her passport, she's been to the following (excluding my invites):
* Istanbul, Turkey (2 nights).
* Bucharest, Romania (3 nights).
* Paris, France (2 nights).
* Bali (2 weeks, multiple hotels according to her, some fuck holiday?
* Istanbul #2, Turkey (1 night).
* Munich then Frankfurt, Germany (3 nights).
* Athens, Greece (1 night).
* Barcelona, Spain (3 nights).
* Athens #2, Greece (2 nights).
* Istanbul #3, Turkey (1 night?
* Munich #2, Germany (2 nights).
So my question is this: Would it ever be possible to find this girl's agency?
I did ask her, and she said she has no agency / website. I challenged her why she travelled 10 times this year, and she went spastic at me: "Why 10? Why not 25? Crazy face " Then I sent a page out of her passport with her visiting Munich / Frankfurt just before visiting me, and she didn't reply after that. I still have her "work" and personal phone number (she uses her personal number to message via agent), but since the end of the second meeting was a disaster on her part, I don't think she would ever meet me again. She eventually admitted to me that she found a BF a few weeks ago, and that she is now happy. She did mention she will move in with him, whether it lasts a few months or longer term, she does not know. (which kinda explained why she seemed semi-unhappy before our second rendevouz). Or it could be a ploy to make me not send messages to her again.
Photos attached. Photo of her sleeping in two of our meetings, plus the swimsuit I gave her, that she was impressed with (the video was made post-meeting, and was the final few images before she stopped posting them via whatsapp profile photo / status).Bkski.
Very nice report, wow, you have some history with this girl and she is very pretty. Not my business, bu I have a burning question. Why do you stick to her and put up with the attitude and cost when there are 100's of other girls equally of value that you can have for much less hassle. ?
Cheers.
A158.
Nice report. I have seen this girl on SA and had communication with her. She seems very eager to travel.Could you tell me what is SA? Is she independent or via agent?
Very nice report, wow, you have some history with this girl and she is very pretty. Not my business, bu I have a burning question. Why do you stick to her and put up with the attitude and cost when there are 100's of other girls equally of value that you can have for much less hassle. ?Because she was super awesome the first time around, and that she is has an unbelievable body. And I enjoy chasing an impossible girl, even if that meant emotional abuse from her. Unfortunately, I persisted until she made a big mistake (missed her flight return flight) which pretty much ended any more meetings.
Where may I find a travel girl like her? I've tried looking, but the quality is lower and more expensive than this girl (lets give her a nickname "zhenechka") but I am sure I am looking at the wrong places.
Very innovative way to promote a girl, kudos to you both.
Very innovative way to promote a girl, kudos to you both.I didn't mean to promote her. My goal was to find out if someone has seen her before, and which websites she's on.
Andrei, my favorite Kiev agent is back. He left for few months to work in CZ. PM me if you want his phone number. I also took a break from this forum for a few months but I am checking regularly now. Hope to be back in Kiev soon. Have fun and be safe.
Could you tell me what is SA? Is she independent or via agent?SA is the sugardaddy website Seeking Arrangement.
I also know her profile from there, she will get most of her travel invitations via SA.
SA is the sugardaddy website Seeking Arrangement.
I also know her profile from there, she will get most of her travel invitations via SA.Thanks for the info. I didn't think it was that obvious but then again, if it was not internationally obvious, it would be impossible to get clients. I wonder why she wasn't proactive about her services, even though she gave me her number back in March 2018.
Is her profile currently inactive? Or not available via search? Do you have a screenshot? Do you remember her nickname / alias? Do you remember her join date? Do you remember anything of the photo? I may have captured it from whatsapp, if she re-uses photos, so I can attach it here, so you can confirm.
She did say one thing before the "end" of our last /2nd travel meeting: she wanted to visit Lisbon or Porto. I'm a bit surprised. Because that means SA customers mainly do "travel to me" things, considering the total cost of the adventure, heh. But to visit the same country multiple times, yet refuse to visit me again in Switzerland?
Thanks for the info. I didn't think it was that obvious but then again, if it was not internationally obvious, it would be impossible to get clients. I wonder why she wasn't proactive about her services, even though she gave me her number back in March 2018.
Is her profile currently inactive? Or not available via search? Do you have a screenshot? Do you remember her nickname / alias? Do you remember her join date? Do you remember anything of the photo? I may have captured it from whatsapp, if she re-uses photos, so I can attach it here, so you can confirm.
She did say one thing before the "end" of our last /2nd travel meeting: she wanted to visit Lisbon or Porto. I'm a bit surprised. Because that means SA customers mainly do "travel to me" things, considering the total cost of the adventure, heh. But to visit the same country multiple times, yet refuse to visit me again in Switzerland?No offense but maybe she sensed that you may have started to obsess a bit about her?
P.S. She also has 4000+ followers on IG, so she will also get direct invitations there. SA certainly is not the only channel.
What is your opinion of KEC service quality, since a year ago GIA has been busted and then resurrected under new management?
I myself worked out more affordable approach with flexible sources, grinding through known agencies and keeping a trusted circle of regulars.
There's a feeling that KEC dispatchers for the last year became considerably worse after the flip from GIA.
What about the KEC girls themselves nowadays? I had 8 beauties so far. 3 of them we not bad, but I would not repeat. 5 were outstanding every time I met them.Yes, Kristina (gia dispatcher) was much friendlier than the ahole man who works there now.
May I ask what known agencies do you use? I thought all except gia used fake photos.
No offense but maybe she sensed that you may have started to obsess a bit about her?
P.S. She also has 4000+ followers on IG, so she will also get direct invitations there. SA certainly is not the only channel.That would explain her awesome (whatsapp) photos. I even took a few for her, although I can only remember a total of 4, one of which was subpar quality. I wonder if they are on Instagram.
What's funny / sad is that I've fucked her multiple times, but there's 4 K+ followers (minus maybe 50?) who have not and I do not know her Instagram profile / SA profile / any other profile.
She's given me indirect permission for you to say what's her profile. Any hint? (eg: real ukr name? Shortened anglo'd name? Nickname? Little woman?) She does not want to say it herself.
Her comments:
1) "so why you don't ask people where they see me?
2) "ask people who said that they see me".
I have met with quite a few Ukrainian girls for weekends all over Europe.
One of my personal conditions was always to have her IG before. If she is reluctant to give it it is a warning sign she may be restrained also in the meeting. Also an IG profile can be read like a character analysis: you learn many things about the person (mostly by conjecture).
A meeting of this kind will always be a bargain of sorts. It is important to find girls who do it for the money, but not just for the money. They should still be impressionable, and ideally really appreciate the invitation. There are many others who just want to cash in and get out of it with as little commitment as possible (they will also nag you for extra shopping until the last moment before you drop them at airport security).
Part of the excitement of such meetings is the art of selection. I never went for said girl for several reasons, but the Swiss story beneath tells me: I was right (other guys may still have great fun with her).
So this is number 2 that I invited over, 1 week before girl #1's second meeting, to Switzerland. This one was a bit difficult to invite over, as she was busy with study and travelling back to Moscow multiple times for maximum 5 days. It was frustrating for me that it took a while to get progress with the invite, that I said to myself. As "insurance" that she doesn't accept the invite. That I organise a meeting with girl #1 (posted below). It wasn't until mid-May that she accepted an invite.
Background to the girl:
We met in Paris on worldcup final night (it was funny that I even booked it that night, as Thursday night was her night off, and Friday, her agent didn't reply to me). I only lost about 1 hour of celebration, and then had 5 hours of observing the mayhem on the streets of Paris. It wasn't until 2nd Paris meeting, that I said she should tell me when she's in Paris next time. Only then she gave me her number. It took me until early March 2019 to offer her an invite. So 2. 5 months of somehow patiently waiting. She's not a travel-girl-to-client, but rather travel-to-various countries that interests her type girl. I only converted her for a once-off travel invite.
In terms of travelling to various countries, I think she started April 2018.
* France, Paris, 3 times, around 2 weeks each (April, July, Sep / Oct 2018).
* Czech rep, Prague (unknown if working), a few days, May 2018.
* Italy, Milan (unknown if working), 1 day, May 2018.
* Italy, Rome (unknown duration), June 2018.
* Italy tour, from Napoli to Turin, via Padua (18 days). Oct / Nov 2018. She told me she was travelling with her family, But I found a review of her on an Italian forum that proves her story was wrong.
* Greece, Athens (unknown if she went, as she had no passport stamp, or I must have missed a passport page). Jan 2019.
* UK, London (3.5 weeks). Feb 2019.
* Italy, Rome (1 week, until becoming sick, according to her message to me). Feb / Mar 2019.
* UK, London (unknown length of time, different agency so cannot correlate dates, I'm guessing another 3 weeks). Mar / Apr 2019.
* Spain, Madrid. Jul 2019.
One of her fake stories is that she said she was living in London in the winter, as the weather was warmer (closer to 20 C). But I think she confused herself with the temperature of maybe Greece and Rome more than anything else. She also said she spent her birthday in London, when in fact she was in Rome. She said she also lives in Moscow, when she is not needed to be in Kiev. Out of the times she was in Moscow, she was only ever there 5 days maximum, 3 times between March and May 2019. SOmehow she is studying, but it's hard to see her achieve that if she only had time in May (for tests) and exams in June. Like it was only a 10 week "course" per semester? Perhaps it's true, but it was hard believing her. It was just endless amounts of story bullcrapping.
I will describe the negatives, as they overruled the positives:
* She didn't have much sleep the night before, so by the end of the first night, she dropped dead asleep by 22 h30, and slept for 12 hours. At least girl #1 stayed up until 1 h30 the first night, even though she was tired too from the earlier morning flight. In other words, she didn't put out as much as girl #1.
* Come next morning, we woke up, and she gave me a kiss. But I decided to return DFK to her. After a few seconds she was like " That was unexpected" in a friendly way. This is after having free-for-all DFK in Paris. Yet here she pushed back after a few seconds.
* we went to Bachmann in Luzern to get some chocolates. I told her I will pay. It wasn't until she saw the total price that she freaked out. I told her don't worry. I don't know if this was a trigger point / idea for the next day.
* Showed her Zurich. Went to some store, she got some really expensive lipstick, and I was like "hrmmm.".5 minutes later, Out of nowhere she says to me: "I know this is a difficult question but how much money can you spend? I laughed it off, but it didn't stop her from making a suggestion to go to the Gucci store. So we went. This was a big mistake for me to continue walking with her. We went. Then she asked how much are the bags. Response: "ohh, the ones over there are between X and why". So we go over there but still no price tags. She was confused as to what to do as there were no prices, and I would have just laughed at her in front of everyone, so she gave up. We went to H&M instead. She selected a couple of items that ended up costing 100 EUR. But it was strange seeing her aggressively grabbing the items. It was a bizarre sight.
* Come evening time, I invited her to a work party organised by a friend. This was the biggest mistake of the weekend. I won't describe it, as further information will not help, apart from: do not ever invite a girl to a work bbq party.
* Sunday night, she said she has to have a facetime call with her mother to lie where she is (she said she does it all the time). So she said she's going to some restaurant to have the call for 30 minutes. Come the 1. 5 hour mark, I go to the supposed restaurant where she was at, and they told me she wasn't here at all. Eventually she responds to my whatsapp message, saying she's at another named restaurant, in a totally different direction, which ended up not being the one. Eventually she did come home, after getting lost. I was mildly angry at her, and it probably put her off. So come bed time, she spends like 20-30 minutes on the phone messaging people, when we only have 5 hours of sleep to have before needing to wake up for the early flight.
* Come morning time, long story short, I tried to give her a kiss and she was very hesitant in an angry way. Probably it was lack of sleep, but regardless, she was in a pissed-off state. And it continued until I last saw her go past security. I tried to give her a swiss kiss, but she was angry at me for disturbing her hair. I told her I want to see her again, but she said to talk later. She didn't say goodbye or anything, and just left through security without looking, or waving back.
Photos attached. Unfortunately since our last meeting, she appeared to have gained a little bit of more fat. And from the other photos which were taken by her. Most likely more than 1 year ago, she was in a fitter state. Not that is bad, but it's disappointing to see girls gain weight.
I also know her profile from there, she will get most of her travel invitations via SA.Cheers. I finally found her on SA. I accidentally set the search filter for max height to 167 cm, when her profile has it as 168 cm. I feel so dumb now.
In real life, she is 160 cm.
DramaFree11
07-29-19, 21:27
Stefan,
I think you are finding out how frustrating and the hard work that takes to find decent girls in Kiev. Honestly you are there the worst time of year, July and August are not good at all. Ukraine is slightly better other parts of the year, but not by much. There are a couple of guys that have created this Fantasy World, that just does not exist, I guess they do this to justify there trips to Kiev. Kiev is very difficult, takes a lot of work and full of scams / be. S. Girls are average at best, on-line profiles create this illusion that is not even close to reality in Ukraine.
I do give MichT credit he meets girls the organically. In my opinion is the only way to meet quality girls in Kiev, But be prepared you will have to make contact with 25-45 girls, to maybe find one decent girl. Add in there travel schedule, makes it even more challenging. In my opinion if you are trying to meet girls on-line or in clubs you are just wasting your time. Kiev has been on the decline for many years, some try to keep fantasy alive, I will never understand there reasons.
So this is number 2 that I invited over, 1 week before girl #1's second meeting, to Switzerland. This one was a bit difficult to invite over, as she was busy with study and travelling back to Moscow multiple times for maximum 5 days. It was frustrating for me that it took a while to get progress with the invite, that I said to myself. As "insurance" that she doesn't accept the invite. That I organise a meeting with girl #1 (posted below). It wasn't until mid-May that she accepted an invite.
Background to the girl:
We met in Paris on worldcup final night (it was funny that I even booked it that night, as Thursday night was her night off, and Friday, her agent didn't reply to me). I only lost about 1 hour of celebration, and then had 5 hours of observing the mayhem on the streets of Paris. It wasn't until 2nd Paris meeting, that I said she should tell me when she's in Paris next time. Only then she gave me her number. It took me until early March 2019 to offer her an invite. So 2. 5 months of somehow patiently waiting. She's not a travel-girl-to-client, but rather travel-to-various countries that interests her type girl..That sucks things did not work out. You blamed yourself for putting her off, but she lied to you and it sounds like she came to CH without any intentions of sex. I am not sure what you chatted with her beforehand, but I always say something like "will be nice to watch a movie and give you a massage" or something like that in a nice way. Girls are smart enough to know movie and massage usually lead to sex. It is a good test when planning a 3rd date (which must end up in my apartment somehow) or before you fly a girl out. I also have to say you are a better man than I am. You went through a lot of effort and it seems like she treated you poorly. I would have canceled her plane ticket home. Good luck next time!
NightRider16
08-23-19, 14:09
I visited Kiev about 8 months ago and had a great (but over priced) experience with 4 girls (Vika, Mary, can't remember other two) from Kiev escort club agency. I am getting ready to go back and was hoping someone here had a good experience with another reliable agency that they could pass on. Thanks.
PhotoSlider
08-25-19, 01:06
I visited Kiev about 8 months ago and had a great (but over priced) experience with 4 girls (Vika, Mary, can't remember other two) from Kiev escort club agency. I am getting ready to go back and was hoping someone here had a good experience with another reliable agency that they could pass on. Thanks.I had Mary too. Seems she quit the agency. Great enjoyable personality most of the time, yet she had stretches of moody attitude which eventually forced me to terminate her.
I do not think KEC is reliable anymore. Likewise, I do not think there are 100% reliable agencies in Kiev. Maybe 60-70%?
NightRider16
08-25-19, 10:01
I had Mary too. Seems she quit the agency. Great enjoyable personality most of the time, yet she had stretches of moody attitude which eventually forced me to terminate her.
I do not think KEC is reliable anymore. Likewise, I do not think there are 100% reliable agencies in Kiev. Maybe 60-70%?That's too bad about Mary; her and Vika both were great just on the expensive side. If I don't get any responses on other agency options then I'll try KEC again and post a report.
Question:
Which girls do you recommend at KEC?
Visiting Kiev next month and plan to fork over cash at KEC for reliability, quality, and lack of time to mess around.
Thanks.
Question:
Which girls do you recommend at KEC?
Visiting Kiev next month and plan to fork over cash at KEC for reliability, quality, and lack of time to mess around.
Thanks.Everyone will have a different experience with the same girl. Even though you are paying, chemistry does play a part.
My advice is to realize that all the photos are real, but often 2 years old. Read the comments in English and Russian to see how long the girl has been working at KEC for. Ksusha is labeled as "20", but has 5 years of reviews. She is really 25-26 years old.
The girls labelled "PRO" will give you that porn star experience, but you will be their 300th dick. Basic English means she knows how to say Hello, and that is it. You will have to chat with Google Translate. It kills the fun sometimes, but it is also fun to fun to fuck a girl you do not have to talk to.
I personally liked Maya, but she is only one of two girls I have had there. She is really 22 and former Mamba girl, but super hot and always smiling. Fucked me so good for 30 minutes, but said her pussy was too tired to go for twice in one hour. She speaks zero English.
Also, bring your own condoms and lube too.
Question:
Which girls do you recommend at KEC?
Visiting Kiev next month and plan to fork over cash at KEC for reliability, quality, and lack of time to mess around.
Thanks.I have been a steady customer of Gia since 2014,4 girls currently on site who I've spent time with, Liza, Marta, Polina and Vika, by far the best was Liza, she was absolutely incredible, Polina was a hugh disappointment, Marta nothing really special, in my opinion her photos look much better than real life, Vika a total disaster, didn't like her attitude sent her home after 30 minutes.
I have been a steady customer of Gia since 2014,4 girls currently on site who I've spent time with, Liza, Marta, Polina and Vika, by far the best was Liza, she was absolutely incredible, Polina was a hugh disappointment, Marta nothing really special, in my opinion her photos look much better than real life, Vika a total disaster, didn't like her attitude sent her home after 30 minutes.Marta has been 20 for a couple years on the website. She is probably 25 and worn out by now. I really liked my time with Maya over a year ago, but I am sure my experience would be a lot different now. She has probably been worn down too.
I have been a steady customer of Gia since 2014,4 girls currently on site who I've spent time with, Liza, Marta, Polina and Vika, by far the best was Liza, she was absolutely incredible, Polina was a hugh disappointment, Marta nothing really special, in my opinion her photos look much better than real life, Vika a total disaster, didn't like her attitude sent her home after 30 minutes.Had a look at Liza's service list. It appears she doesn't offer CIM, right?
Had a look at Liza's service list. It appears she doesn't offer CIM, right?Yes, you're correct, and that's most certainly a minus, but her skills at oral sex more than make up for this negative. I should make a few corrections, Gia has been around for about 20 years, the first time I used them was 2001, I am not really a steady customer of Gia, but more of an occasional user of this agency, maybe once or twice a year. And Polina wasn't that bad, it's just from her stellar reviews I was expecting a Liza like performance, but instead it was more of a blase' type experience similar to Marta. This leads me to question the validity of the reviews posted on the Gia site.
Marta has been 20 for a couple years on the website. She is probably 25 and worn out by now. I really liked my time with Maya over a year ago, but I am sure my experience would be a lot different now. She has probably been worn down too.Yes, you're right, she has been on the site for several years; maybe 4 or so. I think she was born in '95 or maybe '96, I spent a day with her about three years ago, nothing real memorable about this experience at all, but I do remember that she's a big girl, I am 178 cms, and she appeared much taller than me, she's a big healthy girl, no doubt about that.
Yes, you're correct, and that's most certainly a minus, but her skills at oral sex more than make up for this negative. I should make a few corrections, Gia has been around for about 20 years, the first time I used them was 2001, I am not really a steady customer of Gia, but more of an occasional user of this agency, maybe once or twice a year. And Polina wasn't that bad, it's just from her stellar reviews I was expecting a Liza like performance, but instead it was more of a blase' type experience similar to Marta. This leads me to question the validity of the reviews posted on the Gia site.Hey,
I'm new here and heading to Kiev in a few days. I keep seeing gia kec and Vc. Where can I get the website or contact info? I can't find it anywhere.
Hi,
I will visit Kiev for 2 days. Which actual girl from GIA (KEC, VC) could you recommend me? Dasha, Erica, Lana Margo, Marina, Melissa or some other? They have nice pictures.
PhotoSlider
12-02-19, 23:36
Hey,
I'm new here and heading to Kiev in a few days. I keep seeing gia kec and Vc. Where can I get the website or contact info? I can't find it anywhere.https://kievescort.club/
Used to be called GIA about 18 months ago.
PhotoSlider
12-05-19, 19:59
Hi,
I will visit Kiev for 2 days. Which actual girl from GIA (KEC, VC) could you recommend me? Dasha, Erica, Lana Margo, Marina, Melissa or some other? They have nice pictures.Lately the consensus on the Forum about KEC seems to state that it is too expensive and quality is not guaranteed. It wasn't assured before, during the GIA days either, but it is significantly worse now after changeover of management in the summer 2017.
There are some wealthy KEC customers, perhaps they can explain which girls are trustworthy. It does depend on the consumer (you) services preference though.
Lately the consensus on the Forum about KEC seems to state that it is too expensive and quality is not guaranteed. It wasn't assured before, during the GIA days either, but it is significantly worse now after changeover of management in the summer 2017.There's a lot of talent involved in being a good agency pimp. When the corrupt police pushed out the former Gia management, a serious drop in quality was to be expected.
If Kiev can't clean up such a blatantly dirty system, they'll never clean anything up.
Hi,
I will visit Kiev for 2 days. Which actual girl from GIA (KEC, VC) could you recommend me? Dasha, Erica, Lana Margo, Marina, Melissa or some other? They have nice pictures.I spend a lot of time in Ukraine but very little time in Kiev; as a result, whenever I'm in Kiev, my time is limited so I contact gia. Since 2014 I've seen somewhere between 15 to 20 gia girls. I was in Kiev 3 weeks ago and spent time with two gia girls, Lana and Nina, the latter of which is no longer on the site. I spent 10 hours with Lana and found her to be extremely pleasant, a very sweet girl, who thoroughly enjoys her job and sex. I spent 6 hours with Nina, she is an escort who I had my eye on for sometime. For me, having sex with her was very intense, just the way I like it. She wraps her legs around you and really gets into it. A few days after our meeting she was off the site, I was surprised because we talked of spending multiple days together in my favorite Ukrainian city Dnepro. Hopefully, she'll return.
PhotoSlider
12-07-19, 23:52
A few days after our meeting she was off the site, I was surprised because we talked of spending multiple days together in my favorite Ukrainian city Dnepro. Hopefully, she'll return.Sometimes KEC girls are off-site because of travel. They disappear and then return back. On the other hand sometimes management promises the girl will return and she never does. Free market regulates preferences.
MasterRochi
05-14-20, 05:09
Its insane the quality of these girls, a lot of these girls in kievintim, if they walk around in America, they are supermodels. Yet they are making themselves available for $100 an hour or less. That's insane.
I think most sites in English (only in English are just Tourist Traps).
Here a site usually with real pics:
http://www.kievintim.com/
An advertising site for independent workers (I know some pics from independent ads in flirt) The thing here is that even if the site is not so well done the operator is speaking English and will send you the girl you ask or another the classical standard procedure:
You phone, you ask; they phone the girl, then thy phone back usually in 10 minutes. The girls normally are really on time. The photos are home made and usually real. The prices may vary but they are the standard you get by mail in flirt with some extra for the broker service (not an agency the girls pay a monthly fee to be there like on www.intimcity.ru)
There is also:
http://www.uakisski.com/
But here its in Russian, cheaper and some more variety. The telephone are personal ones and usually the girls speak only Russian/Ukranian, but you can get one for the night starting at 250 USD up to 400 depending on girl and service (anal BBBJ etc). Also here usually the pics are real and not photo shopped.
On flirt ( www.flirt.com.ua ), in my opinion the best internet source hundreds of girls in Kiev between 18 and 25, usually with real photos, only one bad experience, tried several (and you can even fuck for free, just presents and restaurants but of course in that case nothing is guaranteed).
Its insane the quality of these girls, a lot of these girls in kievintim, if they walk around in America, they are supermodels. Yet they are making themselves available for $100 an hour or less. That's insane.Please remember 90% of the images are fake for girls under 25.
DramaFree11
05-25-20, 21:31
Please remember 90% of the images are fake for girls under 25.Closer to 99.9% are fake.
PhotoSlider
05-28-20, 03:03
Please remember 90% of the images are fake for girls under 25.Depends on the agency and means of communication.
In general Web sucks because it is significantly more static, and takes too much of an effort to keep it current. These days many agencies send pictures via Viber and WhatsApp that are Photoshoped to various degrees of beautification and distortion. Some agency dispatchers do a good job via Viber providing current pictures better reflecting reality.
I had one consolidation agency where at least 80% of the pictures were real, and half of those gave a relatively good representation of the commodities advertised. Thus 40% were true.
It is not my duty to sample every possible outlet in Kiev, and gather stats along the way. Seems 90% number is arbitrary though. Why not 200%.
Took me time to find that consolidation agency, and enforce certain personal rules with them. Unlike many websites, their Viber worked great for me. But sometimes they had no pictures at all and didn't lie about it, going like this:
- We have a new girl. Today is her first day, and there are no pictures yet. Would you like to sample?
- What are the parameters?
- How much?
- 1900+200.
- I always give 100 for taxi. How soon can she be here?
- OK, 2000 for you total. 30-45 minutes, we'll message you when she gets into the car.
- Thank you. What is her address?
- Velyka Zhitomirska.
- I'll be waiting. Do you have my street address, and remember the drill downstairs?
- Certainly. Will talk to you soon.
They did switch girls, I would say 25% I had a different one delivered, and if she was up to my standards, I kept her.
I am talking about August-September of 2019, not 3-4 years ago. I know that you, TinyHippo, visited Ukraine in 2019.
So. Here is some more intel on the girl that I referenced in my previous posts:
* her SA profile is run by an agent.
* her agent runs 2 other profiles (different girls). When coronavirus hit. #3 girl became orphaned.
* girl #2 profile is randomly getting less login activity (Flower_Lili).
* her agent was in Austria in Jan-Mar, until coronavirus hit, according to SA activity information.
* During that time, those 3 profiles were always originating from Austria, which confirmed it was run by an agent.
* If you got her whatsapp number, and it ends in "37" (27 Mar. 2020 status update time), then that number is run by the agent. It is unknown if the agent cycles through numbers. Just a guess.
* if the number ends in "60", then it's her (Jenny real) "working"/ secondary physical phone / number. Whatsapp only. This number is not UA.
* if the number ends in "43", then it's her (Jenny real) private / main / iphone pro phone number. Telegram / viber / whatsapp. This number is UA (calling code 380).
* Her email address username ends in "697", on gmail.
* Her date of birth & age on SA is real. Physical height is not (it's 160 cm). And weight wise, she's 44 kg, if anyone is interested. Very fit / health conscious girl.
* She created a facebook profile 1 week after coronavirus hit. Just as she created it, facebook recommended me her profile, hence I discovered it. I guess her facebook profile is to find local / native customers. After 2 months, she decided to hide the friends list, heh. Her friends list was very weird, which confirmed she was on the lookout for native customers. Her 2 real friends were eventually connected. Her personal trainer is not a "friend".
* Around the same time, she moved to a new apartment complex called "New England" (Nova Anglia). Not sure if she bought the apartment (it's only like 100 K? USD for a 40 m2 apartment) or is renting it.
* Her instagram profile has around 4900 followers, not 6 K as someone else mentioned. Fortunately I was lucky to find this profile without that guy's help.
* With my primary instagram account, I decided to follow her instagram profile. Within 1 hour, I was blocked. (my instagram profile was bare so it looked like a bot / spam account). So she's very protective of her instagram account.
* My secondary / snooping instagram account was eventually blocked 3 months later, but never followed her. It was even more bare. So it looks like my account was eventually suggested to her, she decided to do a fresh mass (50 account) follow and decided to blocked my account.
* based on her instagram profile, she has 2 close friends. She did have a 3rd friend (most likely ex-housemate, before she moved? This 3rd friend also visited the same country (and used her same escort photos) where I originally met Jenny. I asked Jenny back in Aug 2019 if she was in Paris, and she was like "no, agent using photos" but in fact it was her friend! I only realized this when I made the connection with the instagram profile posts with this friend.
* randomly in her instagram stream, she posted "learning how to be a web developer" posts. At first, I thought she was falling on hard times, and deciding to change careers, but then I realized. She's only looking for customers as web developers in Ukraine are very well paid.
* Her asking price is the same as without the agent. So I wonder how much of a cut the agent takes. Then again, it's probably cheap to live in Kyiv.
* Last week, it looked like she had an encounter with a native customer. Come Monday, her instagram profile was shutdown (mostly likely temporarily disabled by her, then re-enabled after 4-5 days). After that, she decided to keep a very low profile with only 2 updates. I wonder if that customer learnt she was useless in terms of personality and eventually service, hence her reaction of her instagram profile.
So. I decided to communicate with "her" on SA. Eventually "she" contacted me on whatsapp. And the first message was "Hi. This is Jenny" (English variation of her real native name), then sending me 10 mostly new photos, then asking "could you send me your photos?" Not sure what the agent expects when the border is pretty much shut.
Claro Que Si
09-18-20, 23:23
their Viber worked great for me. But sometimes they had no pictures at all and didn't lie about it, going like this:
- We have a new girl. Today is her first day, and there are no pictures yet. Would you like to sample?Oh wow, this sounds great, I want to have this possibility as well. Any chance to help with some info? Thanks.
As the topic:
Agency to recommend! What agency's are good is it kievintim.com that's the thing online or is there better?
https://kievescort.club/
I know when they were Gia models they were pretty popular not sure about the current ownership I was thinking of flying one of their ladies to me for a few days. They want a small deposit just wasn't sure if they were legitimate. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
PhotoSlider
09-21-20, 22:14
https://kievescort.club/
I know when they were Gia models they were pretty popular not sure about the current ownership I was thinking of flying one of their ladies to me for a few days. They want a small deposit just wasn't sure if they were legitimate. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.Wouldn't do it. Too much of a gamble, especially if you didn't establish good rapport with the girl in prior meetings.
I mostly had great girls from GIA myself. But always in Kiev. I also had one GIA girl who was full of herself. Sex was great, but for that price I look for much more than simple mating.
I never source girls from anywhere for long-term travel, too much risk. Even those I know, or someone referred, may change over time, or behave differently. It is one thing to do it in Kiev, she misbehaves, you kick her out, and get a different one within an hour or two. It is totally different in confined spaces, especially if there are no easily accessible alternative options around.
GIA is not cheap, but maybe you'll get lucky, and it'll be the best time of your life.
I thought about flying in to Kiev just wasn't sure about the language issue or hotels in that area. Any hotels or rentals there you would recommend. Not sure Kiev would be my first choice for a holiday every excursion I look at revolves around cooking classes or touring Chernobyl not somewhere I ever had a desire to go. Odessa might be nice if it was warmer.
Wouldn't do it. Too much of a gamble, especially if you didn't establish good rapport with the girl in prior meetings.
I mostly had great girls from GIA myself. But always in Kiev. I also had one GIA girl who was full of herself. Sex was great, but for that price I look for much more than simple mating.
I never source girls from anywhere for long-term travel, too much risk. Even those I know, or someone referred, may change over time, or behave differently. It is one thing to do it in Kiev, she misbehaves, you kick her out, and get a different one within an hour or two. It is totally different in confined spaces, especially if there are no easily accessible alternative options around.
GIA is not cheap, but maybe you'll get lucky, and it'll be the best time of your life.
PhotoSlider
09-24-20, 09:47
I thought about flying in to Kiev just wasn't sure about the language issue or hotels in that area. Any hotels or rentals there you would recommend. Not sure Kiev would be my first choice for a holiday every excursion I look at revolves around cooking classes or touring Chernobyl not somewhere I ever had a desire to go. Odessa might be nice if it was warmer.There are no attractive girls in Chernobyl. Why bother?
You'd need at least 2 weeks to gain sufficient traction on your first visit to Kiev. 4-6 weeks is better. Kiev is not for a 3-5 days fly-by in and out. Not unless you've been here before. Some guys were lucky, some paid too much and weren't happy at all. Kiev is great, truly the best City in the world! But not easy at all.
Hilton works. AirBnB is even better. English is less of an issue with every year. You'll manage.
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https://kievescort.club/
I know when they were Gia models they were pretty popular not sure about the current ownership I was thinking of flying one of their ladies to me for a few days. They want a small deposit just wasn't sure if they were legitimate. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Meeh US $200/1 HR in Kiev ??
How many percentages of this money will go to their agents? This price might be for tourist who have less mongering experience but will not attract the seasonal mongers.
Why would anyone want to travel to Kiev if they could easily get the same result at home with that price. They might get even better as the mongers already know them well so the result might be more predictable??
Its insane the quality of these girls, a lot of these girls in kievintim, if they walk around in America, they are supermodels. Yet they are making themselves available for $100 an hour or less. That's insane.
Kiev is in Europe not in the US. In a few countries in Europe you could get similar result (or even better).
In German FKK for instance, you could get then US $50 for half hour. It works even better as you see them and could chat with them before going to the room. Also it might be arounf a hundred of them to choose from to go with you in the room available on one roof with a very nice atmosphere and environment.
Kiev is in Europe not in the US. In a few countries in Europe you could get similar result (or even better)....Sadly, there are far too many mongers with wallets larger than their brains. So instead of actually doing the research, they just click the first Google link, pay the premium pimp prices, leading to pussy inflation for the rest of us.
Sadly, there are far too many mongers with wallets larger than their brains. So instead of actually doing the research, they just click the first Google link, pay the premium pimp prices, leading to pussy inflation for the rest of us.
It might fit to niece customers such as tourists (main intention are for sightseeing), businessmen, etc. These people have very limited time and do not have enough time to do desk and legwork so it might fit for them.
If escorting is their main source of income, these girls will not be able to survive relying on niece customers from booking they have got from their premier agents.
People who want to spend time researching they might find exactly the same girls working on other premises with different names and location and charging a much lower fee. I know that for sure in Prague (Czech Republic) for good-looking Czech pornstars, stunners where you could get them with a fraction you would have paid booking them from their premier agents.
Hello everyone.
First post on the site. I am coming to Ukraine Odessa and Kiev and wondering if anyone knows anything about the agency? Is it real? Can you trust them.
Mens-kiev.com
Thanks.
Meeh US $200/1 HR in Kiev ??
How many percentages of this money will go to their agents? This price might be for tourist who have less mongering experience but will not attract the seasonal mongers.
Why would anyone want to travel to Kiev if they could easily get the same result at home with that price. They might get even better as the mongers already know them well so the result might be more predictable??GIA takes 40-50%. I've used them a couple times in the past for their on sale girls when it was $100-150 and the girl paid their boss right away on her phone. I would not use them now because the prices are insane at $200-250 per hour with only a few nice girls. I would say the GIA quality is about 70% lower than it was five years ago.
You guys keep talking about pussy inflation, but as an economist I will say if people are overpaying this would make more girls come into the industry which would drive the price back down some. Just from my personal experience it feels like there are a lot less willing working girls. Five years ago it was so easy to find semi-pros online (I have no short term pick up skills), but these days it is a real struggle.
Girls are looking for SD's which seems to work better for them. I meet few girls online.
It was not my thing! However I can see this seems be a trend!! Given lots of people as stuck at their home.
Online gaming and pron (live) has been the few business that made much money during this pandemic!
GIA takes 40-50%. I've used them a couple times in the past for their on sale girls when it was $100-150 and the girl paid their boss right away on her phone. I would not use them now because the prices are insane at $200-250 per hour with only a few nice girls. I would say the GIA quality is about 70% lower than it was five years ago.
You guys keep talking about pussy inflation, but as an economist I will say if people are overpaying this would make more girls come into the industry which would drive the price back down some. Just from my personal experience it feels like there are a lot less willing working girls. Five years ago it was so easy to find semi-pros online (I have no short term pick up skills), but these days it is a real struggle.
You guys keep talking about pussy inflation, but as an economist I will say if people are overpaying this would make more girls come into the industry which would drive the price back down some. Just from my personal experience it feels like there are a lot less willing working girls. Five years ago it was so easy to find semi-pros online (I have no short term pick up skills), but these days it is a real struggle.The demand for girls has been demonstrated to be inelastic, in pretty much every market. So if mongers start paying higher prices, according to economic theory that will incentivise new entrants into the market, however with demand being inelastic, why would that lead to a decrease in prices?
Mongerer88
06-09-21, 13:42
The demand for girls has been demonstrated to be inelastic, in pretty much every market. So if mongers start paying higher prices, according to economic theory that will incentivise new entrants into the market, however with demand being inelastic, why would that lead to a decrease in prices?I agree. You basically never see a price decrease in a major escort market once the typical price goes up. Although the price never goes down like a true commodity would, you do see favorable customer benefits as the increase in market price goes up. It has been seen in Montreal for years. You see better standard services (BBBJ becoming the norm) and fewer upsells for CIM and anal. You see fetishes being openly offered by ladies at little, if any, upsell. And particularly among independents, you see more Not a Clock Watcher indications, which means the customer often gets 1. 25 to 1. 5 hours for a total session that he paid 1 hour for, even if a lot of the extra time is talking in order to build a better customer relationship for repeats. Economic principles still apply in a service business that has commodity characteristics, it just takes a different form. A lot of guys here try to use Econ 101 instead of Econ 401, but of course many guys look at pussy as a commodity.
The demand for girls has been demonstrated to be inelastic, in pretty much every market. So if mongers start paying higher prices, according to economic theory that will incentivise new entrants into the market, however with demand being inelastic, why would that lead to a decrease in prices?Because there is the same amount of demand and greater supply? You seemed to answer your own question. I think I "overpay" for some girls I see and "underpay" for others. The few I end up overpaying for I don't see again.The market settles at a certain level. I pay to get what I want. Some girls will give me what I want for less than I am willing to pay and others charge more. I guess it is their understanding of the value of their looks and services and what the market will bear. Some hot girls that provide great service (by my taste--tastes differ hugely) don't understand I would be willing to pay them more. Some not-as-hot girls ask way more than I would pay them.
The demand for girls has been demonstrated to be inelastic, in pretty much every market. So if mongers start paying higher prices, according to economic theory that will incentivise new entrants into the market, however with demand being inelastic, why would that lead to a decrease in prices?Simple supply and demand or you can say if there is no decrease in price, there will be an increase in quality.
I would argue that demand in Kyiv is much lower in winter than in the summer. With Ukraine's open borders, there are so many tourists here. Booking dot com has the city at 83% booked this weekend. Even super cheap places to stay like Hotel Rus are now expensive. I was staying there last week for 30€/ day thanks to advanced booking and now it is 60€/ night. Crazy prices for that place.
MasterRochi
08-07-21, 03:50
Please remember 90% of the images are fake for girls under 25.Yes I realized that, however I haven't been to Kiev yet, how are the quality of most girls? Are they at least 80% as hot as the photos?
Hello all,
Last year in November I came across a report by a gentleman who mentioned an app to meet people with, which started with S. I even downloaded said app and met a few people on it, but I have forgotten the name since. If anyone could help me out with this I would be eternally grateful.
Regards,
Yznem.
Hello all,
Last year in November I came across a report by a gentleman who mentioned an app to meet people with, which started with S. I even downloaded said app and met a few people on it, but I have forgotten the name since. If anyone could help me out with this I would be eternally grateful.
Regards,
Yznem.Seeking Arrangement.
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