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Zhuren
12-04-07, 06:38
That laowai(老外)refers to whites only is something I did not know. Chinese friends also tell me the use of laowai does not intend insult, but I am still sensitive to slang expressions casually referring to groups of people. I am even more sensitive to the use of guilao (鬼老), since "gui" incorporates color into the expression. Perhaps I am overly sensitive.

It means "foreigner" with no negative connotation, but with a Western skew. If my Chinese adjudant wants to power something through, she says "the laowei wants it." And she gets her way.

Also, one of the Chinese girls working for me dealt with a Chinese company that provided shoddy service. When she complained (as ordered by me) her also female counterpart said to her: "Don't be so arrogant, just because you are working for a laowei now." They were fired.

Try to unlearn your racial sensitivity training a bit over here. They love laowei. Laowei = money. Totally opposite to Japan BTW, where many distaste gaijin with a vengeance, and with no qualms whatsoever. Fuck 'em if they want to be so chauvinistic. JP girls hold gaijin men in high esteem, because they don't treat them like subhumans (as many JP men do) and they supposedly are better in bed and better equipped. Fine if they don't like us: We take their girls away.

May I remind everybody that this "laowei" nonsense again started with asinine information spouted by a serial antagonist.

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12-20-07, 08:42
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RickyMonger
12-20-07, 13:33
Three years and about 30 weeks in various parts of China over 15 visits and I am hooked on China. In fact I am moving permantly next week to be with my GF and a new enterprise in Ningbo.

I love these woman, more importantly I love the grinding cowgirl action that some Chinese woman are so expert at. They come all over me and the facial expresions are priceless, never had that from a western girl.

My GF just lets go and gets wild on my cock, what else does a man need, she is a great cook as well. Always been a freebie person myself however I have just gotta try the Red Rope thing one day.

Happy mongering guys, I love the pics and forums you have all put up, great site.

Old Mean Dog
12-20-07, 18:45
It means "foreigner" with no negative connotation, but with a Western skew. If my Chinese adjudant wants to power something through, she says "the laowei wants it." And she gets her way.

Also, one of the Chinese girls working for me dealt with a Chinese company that provided shoddy service. When she complained (as ordered by me) her also female counterpart said to her: "Don't be so arrogant, just because you are working for a laowei now." They were fired.

Try to unlearn your racial sensitivity training a bit over here. They love laowei. Laowei = money. Totally opposite to Japan BTW, where many distaste gaijin with a vengeance, and with no qualms whatsoever. Fuck 'em if they want to be so chauvinistic. JP girls hold gaijin men in high esteem, because they don't treat them like subhumans (as many JP men do) and they supposedly are better in bed and better equipped. Fine if they don't like us: We take their girls away.

May I remind everybody that this "laowei" nonsense again started with asinine information spouted by a serial antagonist.

Well, I can certainly see I need to improve my putonghua as I always thought "lao" was the word for OLD like lao ren meaning old people.

-CPE

Wadman
12-20-07, 19:05
CPExpat,

"lao" does mean "old" when translated literally, but in Chinese so often the real meaning of a word/phrase is buried in its culture and history.

So,

lao gong = husband
lao po = wife
lao ban = boss/owner

All use the character for "old" in Chinese, but it's a term of endearment in meaning.




Well, I can certainly see I need to improve my putonghua as I always thought "lao" was the word for OLD like lao ren meaning old people.

-CPE

Tiger 888
12-21-07, 02:23
CPExpat,

"lao" does mean "old" when translated literally, but in Chinese so often the real meaning of a word/phrase is buried in its culture and history.

So,

lao gong = husband
lao po = wife
lao ban = boss/owner

All use the character for "old" in Chinese, but it's a term of endearment in meaning.I would translate it into elder in terms of experienced. In Germany we use the word old also for husband and wife. "Meine Alte" or "Mein Alter" which is not a very positive titulation.

Harold Bell
12-22-07, 11:22
"Wai guo ren" means "foreigner" in the sense of someone not from your home town. "Lao wai" usually means pale-skinned foreigners. Black people are "hei lao wai."

Note that there are White Chinese people, mostly in Xinjiang, but also anywhere near the Russian border. I have blue eyes and pale skin, and I'm often asked if I'm from Xinjiang. Wear Chinese clothing, speak a bit of Chinese, and it's not too hard to pass, esp. if you're not tall.

Harold Bell

Wadman
12-22-07, 11:53
Harold,

Uuuhh...

Wai = outside
Guo = country
Ren = person/people

So, WaiGuoRen is as you said "foreigner", from a different country (not city). People from outside your town/area are WaiDiRen (Outside Ground People). Local people are called BenDiRen (OriginalGroundPeople)

Black people can be called HeiLaoWai, or more commonly just HeiRen since black people are not indigenous to China. Or also FeiZhouRen (FeiZhou = Africa).

The minorities that you are referring to are not considered to be really Chinese by ethnic Chinese, although they are Chinese by nationality. Those racist bastards!

HanRen = Ethnic Chinese
ShaoShuMinZu = Minority (Small/Little Count People Group)




"Wai guo ren" means "foreigner" in the sense of someone not from your home town. "Lao wai" usually means pale-skinned foreigners. Black people are "hei lao wai."

Note that there are White Chinese people, mostly in Xinjiang, but also anywhere near the Russian border. I have blue eyes and pale skin, and I'm often asked if I'm from Xinjiang. Wear Chinese clothing, speak a bit of Chinese, and it's not too hard to pass, esp. if you're not tall.

Harold Bell

John Smiley
01-01-08, 19:39
Guys

See report for SW in Zhongshan area for R100 that are good 6 and 7's but you need to supply the room.

Well worth trying them out if in the area, but use caution as some could try to take your hard earned bucks and if it does not feel right try another Sw there are plenty to good around.

Good hunting

Macho Dik
01-14-08, 05:45
Any new info on Hsian chuan tao area. Plan to go there during chinese new year vacation but worry that ladies wil be back their hometown for the new year holiday. Please keep me update and also the best time to visit.

MD

Tile Man4
01-14-08, 07:42
Any new info on Hsian chuan tao area. Plan to go there during chinese new year vacation but worry that ladies wil be back their hometown for the new year holiday. Please keep me update and also the best time to visit.

MD

They will all be home with family during the New Year. You did answer your own question MD. My advice , don't go to China during the New year.

Good luck , take care and be safe

tile man

Partyguy1078
01-21-08, 09:20
Hey can anyone tell me where the Naked/Nude/Pick a girlKTV bars in Beijing are?

Cheers

John Smiley
02-20-08, 11:11
Hi all,

This website tells you how to get free membership to adult friend finder and as all of the other members have said this site is good hunting ground. I have not tried it but hey its worth a try.

http://www.adultfriendfinderforfree.com/

Andreas Wang
04-28-08, 01:20
I added a new report in the Beijing section about BBS FS in the 150-200 RMB price range in Beijing.

736259

One Wing Low
05-28-08, 08:55
I went to Beijing's expat bars using the maps posted by Sebastian My. It was a very unique experience. I think BBS would probably have younger and better-looking girls than those in expat bars.

However, not speaking and reading Chinese, it's very tough for visitors to find these BBS locations. I need Chinese names of the locations on a map to show the cabbies.

Would you do us a big favor by marking these locations on a Beijing map? Would be very nice to visit these BBS before the Olympic crowd run over them...



I added a new report in the Beijing section about BBS FS in the 150-200 RMB price range in Beijing.

736259

Andreas Wang
05-28-08, 14:20
I think BBS would probably have younger and better-looking girls than those in expat bars.Not that I know a big lot about expat bars, but in BBS the ages also cover all ranges. Same goes for looks, I doubt the grass is any greener over here.

Regarding posting them marked on a map, can you PM me how to do that best? Either that or we meet up and I show it to you in person?

Chibi Asian
06-01-08, 03:09
RTFF. Or try the search button.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=649180&postcount=176



Any new info on Hsian chuan tao area. Plan to go there during chinese new year vacation but worry that ladies wil be back their hometown for the new year holiday. Please keep me update and also the best time to visit.

MD

Chibi Asian
06-01-08, 03:39
thank you very much for the useful reply.
i might be planning something there late this year.
either that or japan.

will be sure to give a report on either one.





this information was relayed to me by an experienced local chinese monger friend who has been mongering for years all over south china:

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this place is nearby the city of taishan and probably the most well-known city nearby would be zhuhai. a bus ride from zh is about 2.5 hours and then from the taishan bus stop, it's another 30 minutes or so to the ferry port where you board a boat to xia chuan or xiang chuan (lower/upper island).

he describes xia chuan as similar to what hainan island was like a few years ago when rules and regulations were more fast and loose in china: kind of isolated, not very developed, and uniquely "china". but in general, it is not wall to wall girls, but more like like cp where there are gals everywhere but you need to look just under the surface to find them all. the place has tried to become somewhat more "family-friendly" in recent years and many of the gals are confined to certain areas around the hotels and rep001tered bbss about. prices are 150-200 rmb st and 400-500 lt. the girls themselves are not particularly great, and many would rate 5-7 or "average".

the hotels, restaurants, and gals are all concentrated in one "commercial" area that you need to ride a shuttle bus to/from the ferry port, which is a pain. food is good, not great, and fresh seafood dishes are the specialty, though not particularly cheap. not very crowded in general, but more than a few taiwanese, hk, malaysian, singapore, and other asian tourists mixed in with the majority chinese tourists.

overall, my friend says that you might go there if you want a beach experience with your mongering, but on most details, especially quality/quantity of girls and convienence of location, cp would rate far above these "secret love islands". and for a beach experience, he preferred hainan which also has the advantage of being only a 30-45 minute away by plane from most cities in guangdong.

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i've never been to xia chuan personally and i'm not persuaded to go based on my friend's description, but if you want to be able to have a "been there, done that" experience, then i guess you could go. the way i see it, there should be few really hot gals on this island because i can't imagine girls making more money being stuck on a dinky, hard-to-reach resort island, when they could make big bucks in places like zhuhai / dg / sz where there are regular boatloads/trainloads of mongers being delivered daily.

hope this helps.

j

Hainanien
06-03-08, 17:48
Just a heads up, many experienced in China know this but worth adding for new folks.

If a pretty young girl is offered on the streets for 100 Yuan, nearly Every time it’s a set up! Usually they won’t go to your place for one reason or other, they will try get you to her room, once there she’ll act like games on, but usually something will happen to cut it short before it gets heated.
When all is said & done, at best, you’ll be ripped off, at worst you’ll be in a fight with a bunch of her friends, possibly leading to police.
Often her friends will have a way into the room & get to your cash, they’ll switch fake notes or leave enough so you may not notice until you’re / they’re gone.

They’ll be right in with regular street walkers, if you hang & watch, the local guys won’t approach them, these girls are looking for tourist types or ones that don’t know what’s up.

Like we’ve all heard, `if sounds to good….

Unless in a very poor city, pretty girls Won’t serve you for 100 Yuan!
If you find one offering herself for 100, Don’t go

Batman
06-04-08, 00:24
What usually happens is any guy like most of us is used to mongering in a certain area and has picked up girls with no problems there before. We become comfortable and feel safe by ourselves. That’s exactly where the problems start, feeling comfortable and safe in an environment that is neither.
Mongering is against the law in China and the girls and their co-conspirators use this as an opportunity to separate you from your money.
95% solution for this problem
1. Don’t go alone
2. Never go to their place
3. Forget the street girls

Dazhiba
06-27-08, 19:08
Was just in BJ for a week and stayed at the Warwick Intl Apartments, which are under some renovation. They have a Massage service listed in the rooms and decided to check it out for 100 rmb. Jiang Jing is a lovely young woman with excellent skills, massage and others. Don't use the "massage room" on 3rd floor, there is no privacy. Either use your room or take out if you want FS. HJ offered for extra 100rmb but wanted more so opted for take out. We started negotiations and agreed on 500 rmb for FS, when she saw the tool she freaked out and said No, only hand, but I pressed on negotiations. Maybe that's what she says to all westerners, because I am not that big, but ended up at 700. Maybe that was too much but once she got wet and excited I got GFE FS that was better than most in the states. If you want to experience for yourself call her [Telephone Number deleted by Admin], but please take good care of her so I can get that same quality next trip.

Stay safe

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Gilby
06-28-08, 13:49
Was just in BJ for a week and stayed at the Warwick Intl Apartments, which are under some renovation. They have a Massage service listed in the rooms and decided to check it out for 100 rmb. Jiang Jing is a lovely young woman with excellent skills, massage and others. Don't use the "massage room" on 3rd floor, there is no privacy. Either use your room or take out if you want FS. HJ offered for extra 100rmb but wanted more so opted for take out. We started negotiations and agreed on 500 rmb for FS, when she saw the tool she freaked out and said No, only hand, but I pressed on negotiations. Maybe that's what she says to all westerners, because I am not that big, but ended up at 700. Maybe that was too much but once she got wet and excited I got GFE FS that was better than most in the states. If you want to experience for yourself call her [Telephone Number deleted by Admin], but please take good care of her so I can get that same quality next trip.

Stay safe

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Does this really belong in the cheap thread of have prices gone through the roof recently??

Lubricate It
06-28-08, 14:40
Does this really belong in the cheap thread of have prices gone through the roof recently??

FS in CP still costs only 100 yuan.

Bnlee2
06-28-08, 23:21
FS in CP still costs only 100 yuan.Just remember the old saying that "you get what you pay for". There can be a reason why these girls charge so low for FS. Maybe it is that no one else wants them. They many have some medical issues that can not be mitigated. I would make sure they are fully tested before proceeding or atleast get triple protection (or wearing a bodysuit just for protection) before venturing. just a humble opinion. Remember "TIC".

Andreas Wang
06-29-08, 05:18
Does this really belong in the cheap thread of have prices gone through the roof recently??
I agree, cheap reads differently.

700 RMB for a ST GFE FS is not really expensive, but for sure not cheap. I get the same for 200 RMB in Beijing from a certain Miss Jin, based near the Chaoyangmen Subway Station. Full reports here:

752939
755587

She also does ST outcalls for 300 RMB plus taxi money ... which all in all still will be about half what Dazhiba paid. Good report nevertheless, but maybe the Beijing section is a better place for it.

Santa
06-29-08, 06:39
We started negotiations and agreed on 500 rmb for FS, when she saw the tool she freaked out and said No, only hand, but I pressed on negotiations. Maybe that's what she says to all westerners, because I am not that big, but ended up at 700. Maybe that was too much but once she got wet and excited I got GFE FS that was better than most in the states.

Stay safe

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You were scammed! That's called bait and switch. She agreed to 500 and then said "oh, what a big dick you have, I couldn't possible service that for only 500".

Probably, what she was really thinking was, "this guy is very excited, thinks with his dick, has a small brain and too much money".

And you were probably thinking, "what the heck, it's only an extra $30, cheaper than back in the USA".

Happens everyday.

I think the only thing she got excited about was the money, not the sex. As for the being wet, some girls are naturally wet and others are naturally dry.

Just my opinion.

Old Mean Dog
06-29-08, 06:50
FS in CP still costs only 100 yuan.

Hey Bro,

By CP do you mean Chang Ping, and if so, where the heck do you get it for 100 rmb? I've been going there for 3 years and the standard rate is 150-200 at the main BBS areas well, unless your talking about the Catacombs!!

Please clue us in!

-CPE

Fast Eddie 48
06-30-08, 00:32
Hey Bro,

By CP do you mean Chang Ping, and if so, where the heck do you get it for 100 rmb? I've been going there for 3 years and the standard rate is 150-200 at the main BBS areas well, unless your talking about the Catacombs!!

Please clue us in!

-CPECP,

I was offer ST at the night market few month ago for 100rmb included the mommie cut , There are many place in Huanggang and Dalang that you can get st for 80-100 rmb and that where local go to ,there use to be many house in Mulan area at CP offer actions for under 100 rmb but most is closed 3 yr ago ,just most of you guy only know yalan and hui mei only .

Fast eddie 48

Weelock
06-30-08, 07:15
CP,

I was offer ST at the night market few month ago for 100rmb included the mommie cut , There are many place in Huanggang and Dalang that you can get st for 80-100 rmb and that where local go to ,there use to be many house in Mulan area at CP offer actions for under 100 rmb but most is closed 3 yr ago ,just most of you guy only know yalan and hui mei only .

Fast eddie 48

I believe JoJo was from Mulan Area before moving to Yalan Area. Once Mulan and Yalan Area was charging 150RMB. Then Yalan Area raised it to 200. I don't think there are anymore BBS in the Mulan Area except for one. This BBS is near the Bus station. The old Mulan Area was near the train/Bus station in CP.

There are also 3-4 BBS shops near the Catacombs that charge 130 ST.

For the Catacombs 6 months ago, the the quality and quantity was very good. But I also remember see that scary fight with a guy bleeding from his face. He was chasing some other guy with a brick in his hand. The Catacombs is NOT worth going to in my opinion. There is a potential to get into too much trouble.

EDIT: Yes, it helps if you can speak the langauge to get a better cheaper price.

For some weird reason, the price when up to 250 during Chinese New Year this year in Yalan Area.

Old Mean Dog
06-30-08, 08:30
CP,

I was offer ST at the night market few month ago for 100rmb included the mommie cut , There are many place in Huanggang and Dalang that you can get st for 80-100 rmb and that where local go to ,there use to be many house in Mulan area at CP offer actions for under 100 rmb but most is closed 3 yr ago ,just most of you guy only know yalan and hui mei only .

Fast eddie 48

Maybe the response should have been: If you are Chinese and speak it well, you might be able to get it for 100 rmb.

He said CP, so I was assuming he meant the main area of town. Hell, I was always told you can get it for 40 rmb in the Catacombs for like 20 minutes, but even the few times I've been there and the girl sees I'm a big white guy, the price jumps to 100 for 20 mins.

There is probably shops all over the SZ-DG-GZ area that a Chinese guy can get it for 100 or less, but usually when we talk on the boards here, it is normally the more main mongering areas we speak of.

-CPE

Fast Eddie 48
06-30-08, 16:30
Maybe the response should have been: If you are Chinese and speak it well, you might be able to get it for 100 rmb.

He said CP, so I was assuming he meant the main area of town. Hell, I was always told you can get it for 40 rmb in the Catacombs for like 20 minutes, but even the few times I've been there and the girl sees I'm a big white guy, the price jumps to 100 for 20 mins.

There is probably shops all over the SZ-DG-GZ area that a Chinese guy can get it for 100 or less, but usually when we talk on the boards here, it is normally the more main mongering areas we speak of.

-CPECPE the big white boy

Come on you are local and speak chinese better than me ,you know all the mommie much better than me also you should get the same price as me ,I will not p4p at the catacomb that place is below our standard let bill lee have all the fun there .

There is more place in Dongguan than CP since you are local I think you should explore other option in your backyard .

Fast eddie 48

Dazhiba
07-02-08, 01:25
Ok, maybe I'm crazy but even a massage costs 60 to 100 rmb, right? How and where can a white guy get something on the cheap? I had the massage gal from Warwich Apartments/ hotel and she wouldn't settle for less than 500 for FS and then when she saw the size of it she wanted to call it all off. Finally renegotiated for a higher price. This gal was great FS / GFE type and well worth $100 american dollars, but sure would like to know how and were to get as good at a cheaper price?

Explorer8939
07-03-08, 20:06
Perhaps this request is out of left field, but it might be useful to actually post here which cities offer the cheapest sex. I don't mean that you should name a city where you got a freebie, or some SW gave to a BBBJ for a dollar, but simply indicate which cities in general are the cheapest. Please post the actual reports under the city forum, however.

Relative rankings are OK, even if you have only been to few cities, just indicating among THEM which was the cheapest is fine.

SE Asia Joe
07-04-08, 05:37
Perhaps this request is out of left field, but it might be useful to actually post here which cities offer the cheapest sex. I don't mean that you should name a city where you got a freebie, or some SW gave to a BBBJ for a dollar, but simply indicate which cities in general are the cheapest. Please post the actual reports under the city forum, however.

Relative rankings are OK, even if you have only been to few cities, just indicating among THEM which was the cheapest is fine.
First of all, I don't know if you realize this or not, but in China and in just about each city/town/village, just about ALL price ranges are catered to - from RMB 30 for the immigrant workers to 1,000 to 3,000, 5,000 or even more in the larger cities for model/actress type etc. Also, which kinf of SEX are you talking about? BBS, Chicken coop, Sauna, KTV, private list, SW eetc. It's just a matter of your own taste, preference AND if you can locate/procure what you want!
But I guess for the purposes of ISG you'd want a ranking of MAJOR toursit cities/location prices for comparable services - so here goes my IMHO list for what it's worth (Not much I'd say!! In fact I'd think such a list is totally useless!!) from the most expensive down.

Hong Kong
Macau
Beijing (especially now with the Olympics)
Shanghai,
Guangdong
Shenzhen
Dongguan
Zhuhai

Like I said, worthless list (I don't even know why I'm answering this!!)
SEAJ

Fast Eddie 48
07-04-08, 06:30
First of all, I don't know if you realize this or not, but in China and in just about each city/town/village, just about ALL price ranges are catered to - from RMB 30 for the immigrant workers to 1,000 to 3,000, 5,000 or even more in the larger cities for model/actress type etc. Also, which kinf of SEX are you talking about? BBS, Chicken coop, Sauna, KTV, private list, SW eetc. It's just a matter of your own taste, preference AND if you can locate/procure what you want!
But I guess for the purposes of ISG you'd want a ranking of MAJOR toursit cities/location prices for comparable services - so here goes my IMHO list for what it's worth (Not much I'd say!! In fact I'd think such a list is totally useless!!) from the most expensive down.

Hong Kong
Macau
Beijing (especially now with the Olympics)
Shanghai,
Guangdong
Shenzhen
Dongguan
Zhuhai

Like I said, worthless list (I don't even know why I'm answering this!!)
SEAJSEAJ is correct is a worthless list every city have cheap sex is where local go to most of this place is not for tourist anyway ,this place is in bad area of town and not worth the risk ,like my buddy said the cheapest sex is give yourself a HJ only cost you a piece of tissue.

Fast eddie 48

Old Mean Dog
07-04-08, 08:10
like my buddy said the cheapest sex is give yourself a HJ only cost you a piece of tissue.

Fast eddie 48

Haha, damn that was funny FE.

Let's see my (very limited) list, from most expensive down:

1. Hong Kong
2. Shanghai
3. Suzhou
4. Guangzhou
5. Shenzhen
6. Zhuhai
7. Dongguan

Just another list

-CPE

Andreas Wang
07-05-08, 02:49
Ok, maybe I'm crazy but even a massage costs 60 to 100 rmb, right?Nope, wrong.


How and where can a white guy get something on the cheap?That's what this thread is about to explain. Oh ... and it is also mentioned in between on any of the other China threads too once in a while.

Which parts did you read so far?

Digital Jelli
07-09-08, 18:14
Does any one here know about the 'clubs' and KTV's closing during August?

I've been told by my GF that this is the case and she'll be 'idle' during this month. Also on the same or similar subject has the Bravo hotel in GZ closed? their website is 'down' so I can't book a room (for a surprise visit)

Dnivara2
07-12-08, 16:35
I am living in Shanghai.

Let me know if you have experience of getting these massage girls to apartment.

There are so many places advertising a gairl can be sent to your apartment within an hour.

How safe is this?

FernandoAlonso
07-13-08, 08:05
I am living in Shanghai.

Let me know if you have experience of getting these massage girls to apartment.

There are so many places advertising a gairl can be sent to your apartment within an hour.

How safe is this?Why not search a bit under the names you want to call, all the info is here!

Dongguan Guy
07-14-08, 04:13
Does any one here know about the 'clubs' and KTV's closing during August?

I've been told by my GF that this is the case and she'll be 'idle' during this month. Also on the same or similar subject has the Bravo hotel in GZ closed? their website is 'down' so I can't book a room (for a surprise visit)I went to Bravo Hotel and Mirage on 13th and it's still open. By "idle", I think your GF meant she's not working that month and doesn't mean the clubs and KTVs are closed.

Cheap Meat
07-15-08, 07:08
The cheapest sex in the world happens when you fuck a hooker and don't pay her afterwards! Haha! I've ripped off dozens of prostitutes and trust me, it's easy as pie! I just can't imagine paying hookers anymore for sex when I can rip them off and not pay a thing. I save LOADS of money by doing this. Seriously, I'm thinking about going around the world on a trip and ripping off hookers and getting ALL the poontang I want for FREE! Well, what can I say? I just can't wait.

Cheap meat

Deming Childs
07-16-08, 17:13
Why not search a bit under the names you want to call, all the info is here!Why does everyone on this board feel the need for sarcasm? Why not just answer a question or if you don’t have an answer just don’t say anything. 80% of these comments are “search for yourself”, “why not do a search, all the info is there”

Old Mean Dog
07-17-08, 02:58
Why does everyone on this board feel the need for sarcasm? Why not just answer a question or if you don’t have an answer just don’t say anything. 80% of these comments are “search for yourself”, “why not do a search, all the info is there”

Good Question!

Let me explain it like this: A guy comes on ISG and post's something similar to this: "I am going to Beijing in August, Where's the pussy at?" now, considering there has to be near 50,000 posts from this year alone on the ISG-China side and probably near 2,000 just for Beijing alone, it really makes the contibutors wonder if the guy asking this question is really such an idiot or just to damn lazy to do some research?

So when asking such a generic question, if someone answers you with RTFF, it is not being sarcastic rather, it is him telling you, it's already been posted (usually multiple times).

If you really need assistance from others (remember, they don't work for ISG), I suggest your questions be more detailed and specific.

Have a great day,

-CPE

FernandoAlonso
07-17-08, 06:24
Why does everyone on this board feel the need for sarcasm? Why not just answer a question or if you don’t have an answer just don’t say anything. 80% of these comments are “search for yourself”, “why not do a search, all the info is there”That was my friendly answer, the sarcastic one I better not post here. But serious, this is for exchange of info, meaning give and take, so if someone gives the impression he tried, he will get help, that is what we are here for. Some requests are so pardon my language stupid, they deserve sarcasm

Just my POV

Adventur
07-18-08, 04:46
Cpexpat,

Perhaps it was you that posted about CP a lot and that encouraged me to go on wikimapia and look for it. AND. DRUM ROLL. I found it! Thanks for the post!

It is amazing to me that you go so far off the beaten track on shenzhen to find the catacombs etc!

If folks here want the screenshots from wiki etc I can do that.

BUT. I have no idea how to get there and what it takes.

I wonder why not many people post the locations in the wikimapia? I post locations under 'brothels, girls, bars, nightclubs, chicas etc'.

Wapec
08-08-08, 01:50
I am still a bit of a newbie but in addition to being told to RTFF I've sometimes been told to go fuck myself. Yes unbelievable. Anyway, I've been trying for a couple of weeks now but with no success.

Can anybody enlighten me how to go fuck myself ? Sounds like an opportunity to save loads of cash and give the ole knuckle sandwich a rest :D

Ice Dragon
08-20-08, 17:39
West side of Pudong Nan Lu, between Zhangyang Lu and Weifang, three BBS, proper bedrooms, foreigners 200, locals 100, BJ/FS pop'n'go. Girls push hard to take 2, my undoing, popped PDQ.

Perhaps a good time to bargain!

fz

OldAsiaHand
08-21-08, 04:05
The dual price system in Shanghai for foreigners has always been a thorn in my side. Although I usually cave in the interest of being served, it always pisses me off. Used to mongering in S. China, I normally pay the local price. Albeit I run across the odd situation where a provider trys to rip me off as a foreigner because they think I don't know better, it is the exeption rather than the rule.

I have asked why the dual pricing exists in Shanghai and have been told the usual bullshit about; "foreigners can afford to pay more", foreigners have a bigger dick", etc. I suspect that the situation developed by BSDs paying whatever is asked over time.

Any of you Shanghai experts have a theory?

OAH



West side of Pudong Nan Lu, between Zhangyang Lu and Weifang, three BBS, proper bedrooms, foreigners 200, locals 100, BJ/FS pop'n'go. Girls push hard to take 2, my undoing, popped PDQ.
Perhaps a good time to bargain!

fz

Santa
08-21-08, 07:53
Any of you Shanghai experts have a theory?

OAH

Yes, I have a theory.

After fucking big OAH the girl turns to the mama and says "would you fuck him for 150 rmb?" Then the price goes up!

SE Asia Joe
08-21-08, 08:04
Yes, I have a theory.

After fucking big OAH the girl turns to the mama and says "would you fuck him for 150 rmb?" Then the price goes up!
Hey Santa:
Under the same theory you and I, we should ask for a discount each time
SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
08-21-08, 08:28
The dual price system in Shanghai for foreigners has always been a thorn in my side. Although I usually cave in the interest of being served, it always pisses me off. Used to mongering in S. China, I normally pay the local price. Albeit I run across the odd situation where a provider trys to rip me off as a foreigner because they think I don't know better, it is the exeption rather than the rule.

I have asked why the dual pricing exists in Shanghai and have been told the usual bullshit about; "foreigners can afford to pay more", foreigners have a bigger dick", etc. I suspect that the situation developed by BSDs paying whatever is asked over time.

Any of you Shanghai experts have a theory?

OAH
Simple! The gals and mommies knows that Furreners are only there for a limited period of time and unlikely to come back - so why not try to get as much as possible that one time??!!

Locals, Hong Kong and Taiwan guys are much more likely to be Repeat clients and thus service providers do try their best with us.

Besides which - we're better lookin' than you guys!!
SEAJ

Ps. It's FRRRRRied RRRRice - you plick!

Wadman
08-21-08, 16:06
Well, this is not in Shanghai but in southern China. This is not a scientific survey, nor do I claim it to be. It's just what I have observed. WRT BBSs, what I have noticed is:

- ChangPing BBSs:
Exposure to laowais: 2/10 (i.e. not that much)
Willingness of girls to do laowais: 8/10
Difficulty of negotiations for laowais: 3/10

- Seibu BBSs in Shenzhen:
Exposure to laowais: 8/10
Willingness of girls to do laowais: 5/10
Difficulty of negotiations for laowais: 6/10

- Sidewalk WGs beside Seibu:
Exposure to laowais: 8/10
Willingness of girls to do laowais: 3/10
Difficulty of negotiations for laowais: 8/10

- HuBeiXingCun in Shenzhen:
Exposure to laowais: 3/10
Willingness of girls to do laowais: 7/10
Difficulty of negotiations for laowais: 4/10

- Another, further off BBS area in Shenzhen:
Exposure to laowais: 1/10
Willingness of girls to do laowais: 6/10
Difficulty of negotiations for laowais: 2/10

From this very unscientific survey I can conclude that the LESS the girls are exposed to laowais, the fewer problems. Most of these problems tend to be fear of unknown, miscommunications and misconceptions (usually from watching western porn, where all guys have 10 inch dicks and and can fuck for hours). These girls are also usually not very familiar with the concept of "tipping" (i.e. paying more than agreed price).

It's the girls that have in contact with lots of laowais (and likely done some) that are the real problems.




I have asked why the dual pricing exists in Shanghai and have been told the usual bullshit about; "foreigners can afford to pay more", foreigners have a bigger dick", etc. I suspect that the situation developed by BSDs paying whatever is asked over time.

Any of you Shanghai experts have a theory?

OAH

Ice Dragon
08-21-08, 17:50
Any of you Shanghai experts have a theory?

OAHI think we all know only too well, this does not only apply to our mongering activities. A few weeks ago I was left alone to buy a camera, after haggling for ten minutes and bringing the price down from 3600 to 3000 I thought I'd struck a deal, the guy started wrapping up the camera with the "free" 1gb chip. Then her ladyship exploded, are you serious?, after a further 20 minutes or so of ranting and screaming, I had a 2gb chip, a spare battery, a case, a tripod, a UV lens, and a transparent sticker to protect the viewing screen, for 2200 rmb. Trouble is you can't take the GF mongering!

fz

OldAsiaHand
08-22-08, 05:22
Wadman,

Your survey is interesting. You left out on area that I would mention; Sha Tsui. I have found this area to have a very low acceptance rate for laowai, however, not difficult to negotiate. IMHO, this is an area that is not so laowai friendly. It is an area that many HK mongers would like to or, used to like, to call their own.

In general, I would say the rejection rate for laowai is around 30%. This is a major improvement. 10+ years ago, you would be hard pressed to find 10% that would even consider doing a laowai.

Overall, I must say that my personal acceptance rate and ability to negotiate is higher than you found. This may be because I am fairly well known in these areas as not to have a big dick and fuck for hours. I also find that after I do one girl in a particular shop, the rest fall in line. Obvously, the girls talk to one another. MMV, but I imagine a newbie would encounter the numbers you mention. It seems that often when I enter a BBS for the first time, the boss (papasans more than mamasans) trys to overcharge me. This does seem to happen more in the areas that many laowais frequent and not so much in the local areas where I prefer to monger which confirms your theory. I reckon that many BSD laowai, with or without the benefit of this forum, especially those infrequent visitors, just pay whatever is quoted and get on with it without negotiating. And, I reckon the girl asks for an outrageous tip and they hand it over with a big smile on their face since the experience satisfied their wildest fantasty.

We regulars have a different perspective. It is just another pop. It is like going down to the market to buy fruit. Why would we pay more than the market price and tip the shopkeeper? Sometimes the fruit is sweeter and more tasty depending on the season.

Just my POV.

OAH

Wapec
08-22-08, 07:26
Hope you're not speaking fur yourself ? Jez I rank quite well against the FRRRRRied RRRRice gang



Besides which - we're better lookin' than you guys!!
SEAJ

Ps. It's FRRRRRied RRRRice - you plick!

Wapec
08-22-08, 07:31
The intent is more along the lines that if your gonna try negotiate and frequent BBS's then have some language skills and cultural savvy. I am a Laowai, been in Asia 29 years, have lived with and amongst Chinese from before I could walk, speak the lingo and sometimes come up against the preconceptions created by others or the prevalence of media.

That is just the way it is. It ain't a level playing field out there and no stopping Laowai's or banning them or genocide jin, yin or dan (gold, silver or bronze) ain't it either. I happily hang with and have fun with Laowai and ABC's and Asian crews. Its down to the people, outlook and sense of adventure.

Santa
08-22-08, 08:17
From this very unscientific survey I can conclude that the LESS the girls are exposed to laowais, the fewer problems.

It's the girls that have been in contact with lots of laowais (and likely done some) that are the real problems.

Wadman, I think your "survey" is correct. The more the the girls have been in contact with laowais the less the girls like them, and the harder it is to negotiate with the girls.

This has often confused me. When I have been to locations where laowais are common I thought it would be easy to have fun with the girls, because they are used to laowais. But it seems, if your view is correct, to be the opposite.

I always try to be very nice to the girls, but only pay the "going rate". My thinking is that I want them to overcome any fear or prejudice that they might have towards us.

From reading your post, I think other laowais before me have already ruined the situation and caused these girls to fear, dislike and/or over-charge foreigners.

Is that how you see it? If yes, why?

Bnlee2
08-22-08, 17:59
Wadman, I think your "survey" is correct. The more the the girls have been in contact with laowais the less the girls like them, and the harder it is to negotiate with the girls.

This has often confused me. When I have been to locations where laowais are common I thought it would be easy to have fun with the girls, because they are used to laowais. But it seems, if your view is correct, to be the opposite.

I always try to be very nice to the girls, but only pay the "going rate". My thinking is that I want them to overcome any fear or prejudice that they might have towards us.

From reading your post, I think other laowais before me have already ruined the situation and caused these girls to fear, dislike and/or over-charge foreigners.

Is that how you see it? If yes, why?Santa

You also have to factor in how desparate the girl wants the $$$. If she have been busy recently with a lot of asian clients she may not be as desparate as some that have not been too busy recently. I think the dinero factor have a big decision in it.

I recently spoke with a sha tsui mommy and she is starting to specialize in laowais (black and white). She told me that she sees the market in it while most shy away from it. She told me that she plans to charge just a little bit more (sorry guys about the price differential). She told me that with laowais it is usually a one time deal. They go back home and won't come back for a long time, while the hong kong, taiwan and singaporean will come back week after week. I told her that if she charged the same maybe they will take her number and refer others. Her response is that she prefer the same person coming back week after week. What an entrepreneur seeing that there is a bit of market inefficiency and capitalizing on it.

She told me that it is easier to convince the one fresh off the truck than the season (that have worked for a few months already) ones. I'm an ABC and I took one of her one that she is training, btw I got the local rate. After the deed I started talking to her about it and wanted to know if the mommy was telling me the truth.

She told me that the first few included laowais. I think it was the that three of the first five were laowais and one of them was afro american. I ask her about her experience and she told me that after the later she could not work for a few days. She was fresh off the truck and needed to make some $$$ so that she can buy some new clothes and a cell phone of course. When I met her, she told me that she was buying the cellphone after me. Basic supplies for the job.

I also ask if she is going to stick with the workplan and she nodded. She believes in her sha tsui mommy. I met the mommy a few years back when she was a WG at one of the ktvs'.

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Meiguoguizi
08-23-08, 00:47
[/QUOTE] From this very unscientific survey I can conclude that the LESS the girls are exposed to laowais, the fewer problems. Most of these problems tend to be fear of unknown, miscommunications and misconceptions (usually from watching western porn, where all guys have 10 inch dicks and and can fuck for hours). These girls are also usually not very familiar with the concept of "tipping" (i.e. paying more than agreed price).

It's the girls that have in contact with lots of laowais (and likely done some) that are the real problems.[/QUOTE]


One additional consideration is business conditions... One recent evening I stood in 'the race track' at the Lisboa in Macau for an hour and NOT ONE of the gals would go upstairs with a 50something lao wai who speaks Chinese, while dozens of Chinese guys were harassed and easily made their selection. The next afternoon, when there were no Chinese patrons, several of the squad approached me. It's hard to judge the level of exposure these gals have to Westerners, but if they've been in Macau more than one tour, they've had the opportunity to see a few.
I've scoured BBSs in areas of Haikou where LaoWais are seldom seen. I'm certain I routinely pay a 'penalty price', and I recall one occasion where an adorable young thing took me into the backroom to inspect my equipment before getting into the cab.
A smile and a few friendly phrases in Chinese goes a long way.

Wadman
08-23-08, 08:18
Santa,

I think you can divide the girls into 2 (broad) categories:
1) those who have come into lots of contact with laowais
2) those who have not

For category 2 girls their fears are, as mentioned before, fear of unknown, potential for miscommunications, and dick size. These are reasonably easy taken care off if the laowai speaks some Mandarin (or has a buddy who does). Or, if you are OAH, the girls and mommies just know you. Hence, despite some initial difficulty in the negotiation process, it's usually not hard to get serviced.

For category 1, my theory is that they have had some bad experiences with laowais. "Laowai" is a pretty broad term. It's any lightskinned foreigner: Americans, Canadians, Aussies, Russians, all kinds of Europeans, lightskinned middle-east guys, laowais who have been in China for a long time (and behave differently). With such a wide cultural background, you would expect a wide range of behaviour, including some extreme stuff. So after a few bad, frightening experiences these girls are probably thinking: why bother. Not to say that the girls don't have bad experiences with Asians, but they cannot refuse this category (or else there would be no business left!)

From personal observation, I must say that it's much more likely for a laowai to not know the "rules of the game", or not wanting to play by them. E.G. in a BBS, just because the mommy says the girl will let you come in her mouth does not mean that it will happen. Or the promise of a BJ turns out to be a CBJ, possibly very brief. Or the fact that when taking 2 girls, they usually won't touch each other. Or expecting to fuck a BBS girl for an hour plus, for 150 rmb. Etc. More possibilities for conflicts.

For those who think this is an anti-laowai rant, let me say that about half of my friends are laowais. I am just trying to figure out the why behind the girls' behaviour. I too find it rather strange that the more the girls come into contact with laowais, the less they like them as a customer.



Wadman, I think your "survey" is correct. The more the the girls have been in contact with laowais the less the girls like them, and the harder it is to negotiate with the girls.

This has often confused me. When I have been to locations where laowais are common I thought it would be easy to have fun with the girls, because they are used to laowais. But it seems, if your view is correct, to be the opposite.

I always try to be very nice to the girls, but only pay the "going rate". My thinking is that I want them to overcome any fear or prejudice that they might have towards us.

From reading your post, I think other laowais before me have already ruined the situation and caused these girls to fear, dislike and/or over-charge foreigners.

Is that how you see it? If yes, why?

OldAsiaHand
08-24-08, 09:12
For category 2 girls their fears are, as mentioned before, fear of unknown, potential for miscommunications, and dick size. These are reasonably easy taken care off if the laowai speaks some Mandarin (or has a buddy who does). Or, if you are OAH, the girls and mommies just know you. Hence, despite some initial difficulty in the negotiation process, it's usually not hard to get serviced.

Wadman,

During a chicken run in CP with SEAJ yesterday, I decided to test your theory. My findings support it.

I made it a point to walk up close to the girls and pretend to be interested even if I was not keen to take them. There were a lot more girls than I had imagined that did not want to do me. Especlally from the mamas that I do not usually patronize. A couple even ran away when I was joking about taking them and chasing them across the room. You can see genuine fear in their eyes when the mama calls them over for you to examine. It is important to be able to distinguish shy from fear, however. I believe that some of the girls are just embarrassed about what they are doing or play the shy act a a marketing ploy. That said, it did not help that SEAJ was telling them I was hung like a horse. I can understand that an 80 lb., less than 5', 18 yo Chinese girl being approached by a 250 lb., over 6', laowai could be a bit scared.

I did not notice this phenomenum as much before in CP, since I tend to patronize a few of the mamas more frequently than others as you mention.


Another reason I believe that girls do not want to do laowai is that they think it makes them less marketable to Asian punters.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
08-24-08, 09:21
wadman,

. that said, it did not help that seaj was telling them i was hung like a horse. oah
ooooops - sorry about that. all i wanted to do was to make sure that only the ones who are willing and able to do you would come forward. nothing worse than to choose one, take 'em back to the room and then for them to freak out when they finally do see the size of your tool oah!! a bit of quality control i thought.....wrongly i guess! apologies maestro!!

come to think of it - it was hilarious - the way that one particular gal started out by trying to turn her gaze away from you, and then actually running at flash speed, shrieking towards the other room when you went towards her...and then begging begging not to be picked!!

besides which, i did get a good session from that one who you chose but who refused you. nice!!

seaj

Wapec
08-24-08, 10:53
SEAJ & OAH
What was SEAJ doing looking at your tool ? Why would you let him ?
SEAJ
Are you also a vet ? Or just a horse doctor ?
\W



That said, it did not help that SEAJ was telling them I was hung like a horse.
OAH

Meiguoguizi
09-28-08, 16:43
I'd like some advice. Although I've frequently been to China, I'm returning this November/December with significantly less funds for mongering.
What recommendations do you have for:
Any city.
6 weeks. Budget of $3000, approximately 20,000 RMB.
Adequate spoken Mandarin, but no Cantonese. Preference for long-time vs. short-time and my hotel room vs. on-site.
Thanks in advance for your experience and the courtesy of your response.

Gilbert Grape
09-28-08, 17:56
Hi, is that a budget for mongering or the budget for the whole trip?

If its the whole trip including hotel, then forget screwing - you're screwed!

Let me know if its only the mongering budget - in which case we can guide you!


I'd like some advice. Although I've frequently been to China, I'm returning this November/December with significantly less funds for mongering.
What recommendations do you have for:

Any city.

6 weeks. Budget of $3000, approximately 20,000 RMB.

Adequate spoken Mandarin, but no Cantonese. Preference for long-time vs. short-time and my hotel room vs. on-site.

Thanks in advance for your experience and the courtesy of your response.

Meiguoguizi
09-28-08, 19:01
hi, is that a budget for mongering or the budget for the whole trip?

if its the whole trip including hotel, then forget screwing - you're screwed!

let me know if its only the mongering budget - in which case we can guide you!

that's reserved for the ladies. and i have to stay in the same city the entire time. but any city of at least a few million is okay. my other expenses are absorbed by my employer. guangdong is a problem, i'm limited to mandarin.
thanks

Moody
09-28-08, 20:25
Guangdong is a problem, I'm limited to mandarin.
thanks

90% of Guangdong speaks Mandarin. The remaining 10% is pretty much isolated to Guangzhou and it's outlaying villages.

Gilbert Grape
09-28-08, 23:03
In smaller cities like Xiamen, you can easily get a pickup via taxi. The Taxi driver will show you some spots for pick ups. They cost 300-500 Y

I've never seen pickup streets in Shg or Beijing, I think its a bit more scarier there since these are huge cities.

"Massage" Sauna places will cost around 600-800 in a place like Shg for 1. 5. 2 hrs. These are the safest and coolest places in Shg. You will generally get good quality for your money. Somehow some places charge 800Y for 1 girl which I feel is high. Why pay more when you can get 600Y?

Cheers


That's reserved for the ladies. And I have to stay in the same city the entire time. But any city of at least a few million is okay. My other expenses are absorbed by my employer. Guangdong is a problem, I'm limited to mandarin.

Thanks

Mmlouie
09-29-08, 01:40
I'd like some advice. Although I've frequently been to China, I'm returning this November/December with significantly less funds for mongering.
What recommendations do you have for:

Any city.

6 weeks. Budget of $3000, approximately 20,000 RMB.

Adequate spoken Mandarin, but no Cantonese. Preference for long-time vs. short-time and my hotel room vs. on-site.

Thanks in advance for your experience and the courtesy of your response.It really come down to what exactly and quality you are seeking for. A friend of mine go tired of the rat race here and decide to move back to China temporary, decide in zhongshan in guangdao. He rented a temporary apartment by the month, posted an ad in the local newspaper seeking for a girlfriend by an oversea Chinese-american. Can you imagine the feedback he got? Man, he is with a new girl every time I speak with him. Are they the star quality you will find in the big cities, no. But they will fuck you like a gf and even clean and cook for you. It will not cost you much but just occasionally show some appreciation by buying them a dress or something. He gets tired of one and move on to the next.

When I visit him last, he had me set up with a girl for the week for only 1500 rmb and she is a 6-7. But you are responsible for feeding them and everything that goes along with living out for the week. If you don't like her, you could move on to the next one without a problem. The point is, if you are on a budget. My suggestion is to stick with the smaller cities especially when putonghua is not a problem for you.

OldAsiaHand
09-29-08, 02:38
Meiguoguizi:

You are talking about nearly 500RMB per day. Guangdong is your best bet. You will get the best value in the smaller towns. Most of the girls don't speak Cantonese anyway.

You won't get the "model" type KTV girls but most BBS girls and SWs will go for 500RMB LT or even less depending on the time of day. SWs pose a bit of a security risk so be vigilant. The saunas in Zhuhai and smaller towns in DG are also within your daily budget for ST. And, you can usually find 1/3/5 KTV in most towns.

I reckon that CP is probably your best bet for mongering only. Zhuhai if you want a bit of diversity.

Just my POV.

OAH



I'd like some advice. Although I've frequently been to China, I'm returning this November/December with significantly less funds for mongering.
What recommendations do you have for:
Any city.
6 weeks. Budget of $3000, approximately 20,000 RMB.
Adequate spoken Mandarin, but no Cantonese. Preference for long-time vs. short-time and my hotel room vs. on-site.
Thanks in advance for your experience and the courtesy of your response.

SE Asia Joe
09-29-08, 04:37
I'd like some advice. Although I've frequently been to China, I'm returning this November/December with significantly less funds for mongering.
What recommendations do you have for:
Any city.
6 weeks. Budget of $3000, approximately 20,000 RMB.
Adequate spoken Mandarin, but no Cantonese. Preference for long-time vs. short-time and my hotel room vs. on-site.
Thanks in advance for your experience and the courtesy of your response.
Meiguozi - not a report of distinction or anything even remotely close - but I just happened to post quite a detailed breakdown of my expensies this past week-end at Chang Ping (Donggguan thread) which MAY help you figure out the pricing levels in Southern China. And no worries about not being able to speak Cantonese - I'd say that ALL of them speak Mandarin (national Language!!) whilst perhpas 10% speak Cantonese alongside Mandarin.

SEAJ

Meiguoguizi
09-30-08, 02:08
gentlemen, thanks for your input!
will report on my micro investments in southern China....

South Gate
10-22-08, 08:59
No matter whether you choose BBS, sauna, KTV, ding dong girls or street walkers, you will usually get better quality for your buck if you are willing to settle for older less beautiful girls. There is a sauna in Kunming which regularly charges 500 yuan. They provide a lineup to choose from. One day the lineup included five girls, three stunners of about 20 years of age, one stunner of about 30 years of age and one average looking lady of about 35 years of age. That day, I chooze one of the three young lovelies. THe experience was good but inexperienced choreographed and mechanical, not something I would dream about that night. The next week, the lineup was similar. The 35 year old was again on the line. Her eye caught mine and there was something very special there. I pointed to her. Her face lighted up. What followed was something to remember. Passionate BBBJ, rimming, lovemaking. She gave me her phone number and I called her the next day. Two days later, she came to my home and became my weekly cleaning lady. Every week for two months, she cleaned my home and slept with me for 300 yuan and she would have accepted half of that. We are still close friends though she now live in another province. I offer these photos as a testimonial to her.

South Gate
10-22-08, 09:07
sorry, I cannot post photos using my proxy server and connection.

Rex69
10-23-08, 03:46
She gave me her phone number and I called her the next day. Two days later, she came to my home and became my weekly cleaning lady. Every week for two months, she cleaned my home and slept with me for 300 yuan and she would have accepted half of that. We are still close friends though she now live in another province. I offer these photos as a testimonial to her.Good point. I wouldn't mind trying them out. When you can please post photo.

Thanks.

Exile
10-23-08, 12:21
sorry, I cannot post photos using my proxy server and connection.

I have the photos that South Gate mentioned and will be posting as soon as I can resize them.

Exile
10-23-08, 12:33
I agree with Southgate regarding the quality of older girls.

Attached are the photos of his special housekeeper that he spoke of. Again, all credit goes to him -- I am just helping a brother out because he wasn't able to post them using his server.

Doctor Man Toy
10-24-08, 00:07
I will be visiting Sanya for work for the 1st time in a couple of weeks. Is there much action near the Hilton?

Bored In Beijing
10-24-08, 09:21
No matter whether you choose BBS, sauna, KTV, ding dong girls or street walkers, you will usually get better quality for your buck if you are willing to settle for older less beautiful girls. There is a sauna in Kunming which regularly charges 500 yuan. They provide a lineup to choose from. One day the lineup included five girls, three stunners of about 20 years of age, one stunner of about 30 years of age and one average looking lady of about 35 years of age. That day, I chooze one of the three young lovelies. THe experience was good but inexperienced choreographed and mechanical, not something I would dream about that night. The next week, the lineup was similar. The 35 year old was again on the line. Her eye caught mine and there was something very special there. I pointed to her. Her face lighted up. What followed was something to remember. Passionate BBBJ, rimming, lovemaking. She gave me her phone number and I called her the next day. Two days later, she came to my home and became my weekly cleaning lady. Every week for two months, she cleaned my home and slept with me for 300 yuan and she would have accepted half of that. We are still close friends though she now live in another province. I offer these photos as a testimonial to her.I totally agree with Southgate here. I have a couple of older regulars (they both must be about 40 or 42) and they are absolutely quality providers. Firstly you would never believe they are older than 30 and secondly they are so relaxed and confident with their bodies that they are just really good at what they do. Also money is not a big driver for them so sessions are never hurried. I have found that the younger girls are far more mechanical and more interested in cash rather than providing a service.

OldAsiaHand
10-24-08, 10:36
Southgate,

You do not see too many 30+ providers on the game since demand is low, especially from the local punters. They would not even look twice at them. Probably why she was so pleased you picked her from the line-up in the first place.

That said, >30 is prime age for freebies for that same reason. I reckon if you did not pay her at all she would still keep coming over.

Just my POV.

OAH

Harold Bell
10-24-08, 10:40
Every week for two months, she cleaned my home and slept with me for 300 yuan and she would have accepted half of that. We are still close friends though she now live in another province. I offer these photos as a testimonial to her.

Sounds quite good; I could use a cleaning lady like that!

Harold Bell

Ericklein
10-31-08, 14:30
No matter whether you choose BBS, sauna, KTV, ding dong girls or street walkers, you will usually get better quality for your buck if you are willing to settle for older less beautiful girls. There is a sauna in Kunming which regularly charges 500 yuan. They provide a lineup to choose from. One day the lineup included five girls, three stunners of about 20 years of age, one stunner of about 30 years of age and one average looking lady of about 35 years of age. That day, I chooze one of the three young lovelies. THe experience was good but inexperienced choreographed and mechanical, not something I would dream about that night. The next week, the lineup was similar. The 35 year old was again on the line. Her eye caught mine and there was something very special there. I pointed to her. Her face lighted up. What followed was something to remember. Passionate BBBJ, rimming, lovemaking. She gave me her phone number and I called her the next day. Two days later, she came to my home and became my weekly cleaning lady. Every week for two months, she cleaned my home and slept with me for 300 yuan and she would have accepted half of that. We are still close friends though she now live in another province. I offer these photos as a testimonial to her.

It might be that many younger girls don't give a good service in general, but according to my experience, most important is the way that you behave to the girls that makes the difference! I always choose the best looking girl and try my best to behave nicely. It works in most of the cases!

South Gate
11-02-08, 10:52
Thank you all for your comments and especially to Exile for posting the photos. I certainly agree that treating the women with respect and tenderness goes a long way toward receiving the best service. However, an older woman appreciates an older man (which I am) and has much experience to offer. A 21 year old who has made love only nine times in her life is awkward, shy and needs several sessions to learn the art of love. I prefer a lady who appreciates my experience and offers her own in return.

SE Asia Joe
11-03-08, 05:12
. A 21 year old who has made love only nine times in her life is awkward, shy and needs several sessions to learn the art of love. .
Errrr..... I'd really like to meet a 21 year old WG who's only made love 9 times!! She'd practically be a virgin in China!!

SEAJ

Old Mean Dog
11-03-08, 09:23
Errrr..... I'd really like to meet a 21 year old WG who's only made love 9 times!! She'd practically be a virgin in China!!

SEAJ

Exactly, considering she's been in the business for 3-5 years by now.

-CPE

South Gate
11-23-08, 01:55
Three days ago, I visited a sauna. No lineup. They sent me a 21 year old who would be described by most here as scoring an 8 or a 9 for looks. Body was perfect. She was a minority girl who told me she was working in the sauna for a few months. Before that she had lived in her home town with her parents. She made all the right moves. Body on body massage, tongue bath, rimming, bbbj, even the red rope trick upside down while she sucked me. All the positions starting with cowgirl, doggie, missionary, etc. But she was mechanical and had no passion at all. As a performer she gets an A. As a partner a D. In the end, her score of 8 or 9 dropped to 4 or 5. I left dreaming of my house cleaner in her mid thirties who had so much passion in her love making. I hope you get what I mean.

Old Mean Dog
11-23-08, 05:25
Three days ago, I visited a sauna. No lineup. They sent me a 21 year old who would be described by most here as scoring an 8 or a 9 for looks. Body was perfect. She was a minority girl who told me she was working in the sauna for a few months. Before that she had lived in her home town with her parents. She made all the right moves. Body on body massage, tongue bath, rimming, bbbj, even the red rope trick upside down while she sucked me. All the positions starting with cowgirl, doggie, missionary, etc. But she was mechanical and had no passion at all. As a performer she gets an A. As a partner a D. In the end, her score of 8 or 9 dropped to 4 or 5. I left dreaming of my house cleaner in her mid thirties who had so much passion in her love making. I hope you get what I mean.

Do you expect all *****s, to fall in love with you and/or put so much emotion into it? Hell, most of them don't want to be doing this kind of work to begin with and those that do, would probably rather be watching TV or doing something else. Your housekeeper probably had some feeling for you.

I think too many guys expect GFE from a hooker.

-CPE

South Gate
11-23-08, 14:08
"Do you expect all *****s, to fall in love with you and/or put so much emotion into it? Hell, most of them don't want to be doing this kind of work to begin with and those that do, would probably rather be watching TV or doing something else. Your housekeeper probably had some feeling for you.

I think too many guys expect GFE from a hooker.

-CPE"

No I dont expect any of them to fall in love? That is not what I meant at all.

Old Mean Dog
11-23-08, 17:41
"Do you expect all *****s, to fall in love with you and/or put so much emotion into it? Hell, most of them don't want to be doing this kind of work to begin with and those that do, would probably rather be watching TV or doing something else. Your housekeeper probably had some feeling for you.

I think too many guys expect GFE from a hooker.

-CPE"

No I dont expect any of them to fall in love? That is not what I meant at all.

You initially stated she was looker and provided the services required by the sauna, but you dropped her "ratings" in half, because you said she was mechanical (i.e. non-GFE) and wished she was more passionate like your housekeeper.

I understood your comment and I stick by what I said. Doesn't completely reflect on you, all us like GFE, but who are we kidding?

-CPE

South Gate
11-24-08, 02:02
Thanks for your input CPEX.

This thread and this forum are supposed to be about older vs younger women and about cheap sex respectively.

I go to hookers because I like sex and it is a pain in the ass and more expensive to date girls I meet on line or elsewhere. I am not in love with the women I meet in saunas and they are not in love with me. However, I enjoy the giving and receiving of pleasure that goes with making love with them. There are some women who also enjoy giving and receiving and some that do not. Those that fake the "OOHs and AAHs" are in the latter category. Those who really "get into it" are in the former. Yes, *****s do have orgasms with their clients. Sex is pleasurable for women as it is for men; for prostitute and customer, it can bring great joy and pleasure.

About one fourth of the hookers I see really enjoy the experience. I find that older women in their thirties or even fourties are more likely to get into it than girls in their 20s. It could be biological (sexual prime). It could be because I am an older guy (chemistry). And there are exceptions either way. I have had girls as young as 18 who have trembled and squirted and women in their thirties who were cold and mechanical. However, if there is an older lady in the lineup, I try to pick her jut because the odds are better.

OldAsiaHand
11-24-08, 03:29
I read alot on this forum about the above subject. And, I agree with CPExpat that many mongers are fooling themselves to stroke their egos. "She came 5 times." "She was screaming." And, the list goes on.

I think we all have different perceptions of GFE. IMHO, real GFE requires emotional involvement. Most hookers turn off their emotions with clients. How can you expect a sauna girl for example to be emotionally involved with 4-5 punters a day? And, how can you expect her to have any emotion with you the first time you walk in the door?

There has been much debate about the physical vs. emotional triggered responses from hookers. I believe is is strictly a physical thing.

On the other hand, IMHO, excellent service = "GFE". These are the hookers that put in an extra effort to make you happy for whatever reason. They take pride in their profession. They are excellent actresses. They make you feel like they are into it. But, at the end of the day, it is just drama.

Obviously, there are exceptions. I have met a couple of nympho-type hookers that could not get enough and some farm fresh hookers that had not learned better yet. However, these are the exceptions, rather than the rule.

Just my POV.

OAH



Thanks for your input CPEX.

This thread and this forum are supposed to be about older vs younger women and about cheap sex respectively.

I go to hookers because I like sex and it is a pain in the ass and more expensive to date girls I meet on line or elsewhere. I am not in love with the women I meet in saunas and they are not in love with me. However, I enjoy the giving and receiving of pleasure that goes with making love with them. There are some women who also enjoy giving and receiving and some that do not. Those that fake the "OOHs and AAHs" are in the latter category. Those who really "get into it" are in the former. Yes, *****s do have orgasms with their clients. Sex is pleasurable for women as it is for men; for prostitute and customer, it can bring great joy and pleasure.

About one fourth of the hookers I see really enjoy the experience. I find that older women in their thirties or even fourties are more likely to get into it than girls in their 20s. It could be biological (sexual prime). It could be because I am an older guy (chemistry). And there are exceptions either way. I have had girls as young as 18 who have trembled and squirted and women in their thirties who were cold and mechanical. However, if there is an older lady in the lineup, I try to pick her jut because the odds are better.

Santa
11-24-08, 09:08
This debate reminds me of my very first hooker experience. It was in Amsterdam and she was attractive and nice, but the action was businesslike and mechanical. After the deed I asked if she ever enjoyed sex. She replied, "yes, but only with my boyfriend."

I was surprised and confused about her having a boyfriend.

SE Asia Joe
11-24-08, 09:33
This debate reminds me of my very first hooker experience. It was in Amsterdam and she was attractive and nice, but the action was businesslike and mechanical. After the deed I asked if she ever enjoyed sex. She replied, "yes, but only with my boyfriend."

I was surprised and confused about her having a boyfriend.
Hold on just a minute dere pardner .....
I'm ALWAYS madly in love with the gal I happen to be with and of course ALL the gals are without doubt passionately in love with me!!
It's just their professionalism that keeps them from expressing their true love for me and thus forbids them from giving me a GFE!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
11-24-08, 09:36
I read alot on this forum about the above subject. And, I agree with CPExpat that many mongers are fooling themselves to stroke their egos. "She came 5 times." "She was screaming." OAH
Case in point - for each of the five times I pushed in little willy, she grunted - she musta been coming I figure.
That's how much she loves me

SEAJ
perhaps one of the grunts was a fart - not quite sure.

Old Mean Dog
11-24-08, 14:23
case in point - for each of the five times i pushed in little willy, she grunted - she musta been coming i figure.
that's how much she loves me

seaj
perhaps one of the grunts was a fart - not quite sure.

quit putting it in the [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) shoot then.

South Gate
11-24-08, 16:16
Do women,including hookers, have to be emotionally involved to enjoy sex?

I picked up a woman in her thirties in a museum when I was young enough to fall in love with everyone I fucked.Took her to my apartment and fucked her four times. She complemented me on my stamina and technique and asked if she could return in two weeks. I did not understand why she wanted to wait so long. She confided that she had two other lovers but she was looking for variety. For the next six months, I saw her twice a month. Even met her other boyfriends.

Women in the profession do it for two reasons. THe first is that it is easy money; the second is that it is easy sex. Some are like the museum lady and like the variety of different partners. Sex is enjoyable for them without emotional involvement. It has little to do with the charm or ego of the customer.

Old Mean Dog
11-25-08, 08:50
Do women,including hookers, have to be emotionally involved to enjoy sex?

I picked up a woman in her thirties in a museum when I was young enough to fall in love with everyone I fucked.Took her to my apartment and fucked her four times. She complemented me on my stamina and technique and asked if she could return in two weeks. I did not understand why she wanted to wait so long. She confided that she had two other lovers but she was looking for variety. For the next six months, I saw her twice a month. Even met her other boyfriends.

Women in the profession do it for two reasons. THe first is that it is easy money; the second is that it is easy sex. Some are like the museum lady and like the variety of different partners. Sex is enjoyable for them without emotional involvement. It has little to do with the charm or ego of the customer.

The museum gal was not a hooker, just enjoyed sex, so that was not her profession.

Consider this: An 18 year old girl from some farm says "Enough of this life, I'm heading to the city to make a real life". When she gets here she soon realizes she is one in a sea of young girls all looking for a better life, she has no skills and no education so getting a real job, that pays well is out of the question. She is lured or finds her own way into the sex trade and sees this profession makes a pretty decent living compared to what she had. Problem is: She has to have sex with 4-5 men a day, she is just 18, but most of her clients are older gentlemen ranging from 40 and upwards, some ugly as sin, some fat, some wrinkled, some just downright disgusting, but she has to perform some form of service because this is how she earns a living.

How much emotional feeling would you put into it each and every time? Do you think just because some random stranger walks in for P4P is somehow going to change her life? I suspect she just wants to do the job and be paid.

Like OAH said, some are good at acting and this is where foolish people like OWL, actually fall for it. But a good actress, that does pretend to be really into it, reaps a better reward at the end, because we all tip better for the GFE experience and GFE experience is what we all seek in P4P.

My 2 cents.

-CPE

SE Asia Joe
11-25-08, 09:27
> One day, a plain-looking man came with a pretty-looking OL (Office Lady) to the LV store in Causeway Bay (Hong Kong Island). He chose an LV bag worth HKD65,000 for the OL. When it came time to pay, the man took out a checkbook and wrote out a check. The salesperson was hesitant because the couple hadn't shopped there before.
>
> The man discerned what the salesperson was thinking and he said calmly: "I sense that you are concerned that this check may bounce, right? Today is Saturday and the banks are closed. Let me suggest that I leave the check and the handbag here. When the check clears on Monday, you can deliver the handbag to this lady. How about that? The salesperson was reassured and gladly accepted the suggestion. In addition, he waived the delivery charges. He promised that he would personally make sure that this gets done.
>
> On Monday, the salesperson took the check to the bank. The check bounced! The irate salesperson called up the client and compliant bitterly and called him names. The client calmly told him: "What is the big deal? Neither you nor I have suffered any loss. Last Saturday night, I went to bed with that girl and had a night of terrific sex. Oh, by the way, I thank you for your cooperation."
>
> This story reveals the nature of the sub-prime mortgage crisis. When people have high hopes for huge future returns, they lower their guard about the potential risks. This pretty girl thought that the HKD 65,000 LV bag was going to come home on Monday, and so she lowered her guard. Therefore, she believed that her investment in the ONS (one night stand) was worth it even though it was based upon huge and highly uncertain risks.
>
> Investment companies are great with packaging high return (but high risk) deals. The stock market speculators are like this pretty woman.
>

South Gate
11-26-08, 03:53
We agree that sex in a brothel rarely involves emotional attachment or love. However, it can and does involve physical pleasure. I dont go to brothels for emotional attachment. I go for the sheer ecstasy of sex. The 18 year old farm girl does it for money but she may also enjoy it. For reasons that I can only surmise, older pros enjoy sex more than younger pros, at least when I am the partner.

You may be 25 years old and a stud. I am in my 60s, still ok looking and very sexually active. I find a 35 year old much more fun than a 20 year old because she can actually like to fuck with me.

South Gate
11-26-08, 04:20
Another story from my life.

Ten years ago, had a p for p encounter with a 38 yo call girl in LA. Good lay and talkative. Four years earlier she had divorced a man with whom she had been making passionate love every night. Suddenly, she found herself alone and in need of an activity which she had enjoyed, on a regular basis, for years. She needed a job since her husband had supported her until their divorce. Her best friend told her: "Get a job that you really enjoy." She thought: "What I really enjoy is _____." Ergo.

Women can enjoy sex more often than men and their enjoyment can be more intense. Women also have greater variability in their sexual desire. Significant numbers dont need it at all while others have extreme cravings for love making. Men have more immediate sexual needs, less variability in desire and can perform only a few times a day.

The result is a large minority, say ten percent, of horny females who are happiest with at least once per day sex and a large majority of males walking around with half a hardon desperately looking for someplace to put it. The pool of hookers come mostly from these oversexed ladies. Johns from these guys.

The peak of desire in females happens at about 30 years, in males much younger. Probably the reason older women make better hookers.

Eaglestar
11-26-08, 07:50
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I am in my 60s, still ok looking and very sexually active. I find a 35 year old much more fun than a 20 year old because she can actually like to fuck with me.

South Gate you are I are two peas in a pod my man and I agree with your approach 100% ! ! ! :))

ES

Galinsoga
11-26-08, 10:44
South Gate you are I are two peas in a pod my man and I agree with your approach 100% ! ! ! :))

ESI guess you can add another one to the list and if truth were known I will bet there are a LOT more 60+ year olds out there in the membership.

As to the age of the lady concerned. Each age band has its merits. Sure many of those from the late 20-mid thirty band can be real goers and will absolutely enjoy the experiences of sex.

Step down to the mid 20s and it can be another experience, sometimes less satisfying from my perspective. Often, in the home country anyway, ladies in this band have worked their way up from early involvement as a student going on the game to pay fees etc and by their mid 20s are really (if often secretly) looking for some sort of stable relationship as a way out. I cannot blame them for that but sometimes it shows in the way they perform.

Drop to the 20 year old and wowee at times they can be real ravers with far more stamina than I can cope with. Or in a few cases they have a built in emotional hang up about their activity and frankly would rather close their legs. HOWEVER, that is where I see the girls in China as quite different. I have never sensed this attitude amongst them. All those I have seen in China (bar one) have been of the "lets go for it" raver type who give every impression of enjoying what they do.

Somewhere in that spectrum you find the occasional gem. The mid-20s girl who can give all and likes to receive all with total enthusiasm and technique. I met one in China a couple of weeks ago. Experiences will be reported very soon. That was one with whom I would really enjoy an emotional attachment, indeed since we still keep in contact by text over many thousands of miles I suppose there is some level of emotional attachment.

Whatever their ages and inclinations my attitude is that all ladies of the profession should be treated with kindness and absolute respect. They do the most wonderful job for us, regretably sometimes under the most difficult circumstances.

Galinsoga

OldAsiaHand
11-26-08, 12:11
To be honest, when I go for P4P, I am looking to be serviced, not to service the provider. Therefore, I could care less if she enjoys it so long as I do. In the rare instance that she does truly enjoy it, this is an added bonus. I believe there are situations where a provider lets her guard down, but again, an exception. It is also possible to develop a real relationship with a hooker over time. After all, they are human and subject to emotional involvement when they get to know you better. Case in point is one girl I have been doing for over 20 years. I met her in a MP in Thailand when she was 19, now she is 40. She became a mamasan. She stopped charging me when she hit 30 and we have become great friends and lovers over the years.

On the other hand, when I do freebies, I try just as hard to please them as they try to please me.

Just my POV.

OAH

Old Mean Dog
11-26-08, 13:47
We agree that sex in a brothel rarely involves emotional attachment or love. However, it can and does involve physical pleasure. I dont go to brothels for emotional attachment. I go for the sheer ecstasy of sex. The 18 year old farm girl does it for money but she may also enjoy it. For reasons that I can only surmise, older pros enjoy sex more than younger pros, at least when I am the partner.

You may be 25 years old and a stud. I am in my 60s, still ok looking and very sexually active. I find a 35 year old much more fun than a 20 year old because she can actually like to fuck with me.

Geez, I wished I was 25 again, but that was many moons ago. I'm not 100% sure of the action up North, but down South, you rarely find 35 year olds working FS providers in Saunas, KTV's and/or brothels. Here they average 18-28 in age.

I do totally agree, that if you want a good emotionally charged romp in the sack, odds are it's better with an older one and even better if she is a freebie.

-CPE

Clean Gene
11-26-08, 18:36
> One day, a plain-looking man came with a pretty-looking OL (Office Lady) to the LV store in Causeway Bay (Hong Kong Island). He chose an LV bag worth HKD65,000 for the OL. When it came time to pay, the man took out a checkbook and wrote out a check. The salesperson was hesitant because the couple hadn't shopped there before
>
> On Monday, the salesperson took the check to the bank. The check bounced! The irate salesperson called up the client and compliant bitterly and called him names. The client calmly told him: "What is the big deal? Neither you nor I have suffered any loss. Last Saturday night, I went to bed with that girl and had a night of terrific sex. Oh, by the way, I thank you for your cooperation."
>
> This story reveals the nature of the sub-prime mortgage crisis. When people have high hopes for huge future returns, they lower their guard about the potential risks. This pretty girl thought that the HKD 65,000 LV bag was going to come home on Monday, and so she lowered her guard. Therefore, she believed that her investment in the ONS (one night stand) was worth it even though it was based upon huge and highly uncertain risks.
>
> Investment companies are great with packaging high return (but high risk) deals. The stock market speculators are like this pretty woman.
>

Soros tells a story. During the war they sold fake ID for Jews. Ended War in Arbeit Corp. Saw a shipment of foodstuffs arrive and lined up with workers and carried boxes to their quarters. Other Jews saw them and followed suit. Soon great crowds of Jews were lining up to carry away boxes. (Soros had quit by this time.) The "great crowd" was caught and shot...."high return but high risk".

Clean Gene
11-26-08, 18:56
Do women,including hookers, have to be emotionally involved to enjoy sex?

I picked up a woman in her thirties in a museum when I was young enough to fall in love with everyone I fucked.Took her to my apartment and fucked her four times. She complemented me on my stamina and technique and asked if she could return in two weeks. I did not understand why she wanted to wait so long. She confided that she had two other lovers but she was looking for variety. For the next six months, I saw her twice a month. Even met her other boyfriends.

Women in the profession do it for two reasons. THe first is that it is easy money; the second is that it is easy sex. Some are like the museum lady and like the variety of different partners. Sex is enjoyable for them without emotional involvement. It has little to do with the charm or ego of the customer.

I met a lady in HongKong during the Vietnam War. She had been a professor in a California University when she found she had a neuro-muscular ailment. She then went to Hong Kong and got several lifetimes worth of sex.

In her wheelchair a few years later, she said, "You never regret not spending more hours at the office...".

Flower Man
11-27-08, 14:29
> One day, a plain-looking man came with a pretty-looking OL (Office Lady) to the LV store in Causeway Bay (Hong Kong Island). He chose an LV bag worth HKD65,000 for the OL. When it came time to pay, the man took out a checkbook and wrote out a check. The salesperson was hesitant because the couple hadn't shopped there before.
>
> The man discerned what the salesperson was thinking and he said calmly: "I sense that you are concerned that this check may bounce, right? Today is Saturday and the banks are closed. Let me suggest that I leave the check and the handbag here. When the check clears on Monday, you can deliver the handbag to this lady. How about that? The salesperson was reassured and gladly accepted the suggestion. In addition, he waived the delivery charges. He promised that he would personally make sure that this gets done.
>
> On Monday, the salesperson took the check to the bank. The check bounced! The irate salesperson called up the client and compliant bitterly and called him names. The client calmly told him: "What is the big deal? Neither you nor I have suffered any loss. Last Saturday night, I went to bed with that girl and had a night of terrific sex. Oh, by the way, I thank you for your cooperation."
>
> This story reveals the nature of the sub-prime mortgage crisis. When people have high hopes for huge future returns, they lower their guard about the potential risks. This pretty girl thought that the HKD 65,000 LV bag was going to come home on Monday, and so she lowered her guard. Therefore, she believed that her investment in the ONS (one night stand) was worth it even though it was based upon huge and highly uncertain risks.
>
> Investment companies are great with packaging high return (but high risk) deals. The stock market speculators are like this pretty woman.
>Beautifully Explained! SEAJ. Now, now, now, . I get it! =)

South Gate
11-28-08, 03:11
Clean Gene, your story

"I met a lady in HongKong during the Vietnam War. She had been a professor in a California University when she found she had a neuro-muscular ailment. She then went to Hong Kong and got several lifetimes worth of sex.

In her wheelchair a few years later, she said, "You never regret not spending more hours at the office..."."

says it better than mine.

There is a novel by Kafka that I read a long time ago. Perhaps some of you have read the same book and remember the name. In this novel, a young man is trying out all the women in town he can manage to fuck, hookers as well as an aristocraticl mother and daughter. He notes that the hookers choose their trade because they are oversexed. Sex with hookers is therefore better.

Santa
11-28-08, 08:56
most of her clients are older gentlemen ranging from 40 and upwards, some ugly as sin, some fat, some wrinkled, some just downright disgusting, but she has to perform some form of service because this is how she earns a living.


I suspect she just wants to do the job and be paid.



-CPE

No! It's not just a job and the money, they love me for who I am. Really!

I'm not delusional! Am I? :confused:

Clean Gene
11-28-08, 09:03
Agreed! "My wife fucks like a *****" is a high compliment.

SE Asia Joe
11-28-08, 09:18
No! It's not just a job and the money, they love me for who I am. Really!

I'm not delusional! Am I? :confused:
Hey Santa - is this really how you look in the summer?
SEAJ

Santa
11-28-08, 09:27
Hey Santa - is this really how you look in the summer?
SEAJ

Well, yes, you know I do, but they love me! Ho,ho,ho.

Old Mean Dog
11-28-08, 15:01
Hey Santa - is this really how you look in the summer?
SEAJ

Santa has CRS, especially when it comes to remembering to put on pants when he goes outside.

Does riding your golf cart provide you some form of vibrating prostate massage? Reminds me, did I tell you about the 20 year old that did mine the other day??

-CPE

South Gate
12-01-08, 04:49
May have found my own gem last week.

I have been cruising saunas for the past two months looking for that hooker who does it just as much for the pleasure of frequent sex as for the income.

Two days ago found her. After a workout bike ride, stopped at a new natural hot spring sauna. Shower felt good on the sore muscles and tired feet. Hot spring bath was invigorating. Off the the xiuxi ting (resting room) where I spent an hour drinking coke, reading Chinese history and chatting with other guests. A young man approached and explained massage services available. I chose "quan tao" (full set) for 500 RMB. Nice private room with bath. In walks an angel. I guessed her and still do guess her to be 30 years old, though she claimed 25. Smiling, she asked me to lie prone. Within 15 minutes, we were lip locked, arm and leg locked wrestling on the the bed.

When you have fucked as many times as I have, you can tell if the sighs are real or fake. You can smell the difference between real secretions of excitement and vaginal lubricants. You know when her clit retracts, her trunk convulses, her vaginal nectar bathes your chin, that is a real, not a fake O. Saw her again yesterday. Even better. Bought a discount card for multiple visits. May even bring my girlfriend next time. GF keeps telling me she wants to see me fucking another woman. Wonder how the sauna's management will take that.

Moral is that there are pros, many of them, who really enjoy their work. Like all women, it depends on with whom. Somewhat older girls like me. You young studs attract the 18 year olds. I hope I can hang on to this new 30 year old for at least as long as my discount card runs.

Phil1980
12-28-08, 02:27
BTW, I never submitted this yet. The cheapest "sex" I got in China was in Wuhan where the standard price for HJ in one of the local joints in Hankou this summer was just 30RMB. Girls are mostly young, from various smaller towns in Hubei Province, and vary in attractiveness.

Sex at one of the cheap hotels was 130 RMB per girl and 30 RMB for a room for several hours, so I spent the hours before my train was scheduled to leave shagging four girls one after the other, the mamasan came every half hour or so to bring in a new girl and take out the previous one (and all with shaved pussies, all from the same place in Hubei I hadn't heard of before) for a total of 550 RMB. Could even take a shower before boarding the train.

Harold Bell
12-28-08, 08:48
To be honest, when I go for P4P, I am looking to be serviced, not to service the provider. Therefore, I could care less if she enjoys it so long as I do. In the rare instance that she does truly enjoy it, this is an added bonus. I believe there are situations where a provider lets her guard down, but again, an exception. It is also possible to develop a real relationship with a hooker over time. After all, they are human and subject to emotional involvement when they get to know you better. Case in point is one girl I have been doing for over 20 years. I met her in a MP in Thailand when she was 19, now she is 40. She became a mamasan. She stopped charging me when she hit 30 and we have become great friends and lovers over the years.

On the other hand, when I do freebies, I try just as hard to please them as they try to please me.

Just my POV.

OAHBusiness people in China always want to establish a friendly relationship with customers, especially when they keep returning. They get lower prices, more attention, etc. Same with hookers, who are businesswomen. They want you to be friendly, to come back, etc. But there are always limits, and no one in China really trusts anyone outside their family.

Harold Bell

SE Asia Joe
12-29-08, 06:51
Business people in China always want to establish a friendly relationship with customers, especially when they keep returning. They get lower prices, more attention, etc. Same with hookers, who are businesswomen. They want you to be friendly, to come back, etc. But there are always limits, and no one in China really trusts anyone outside their family.

Harold Bell
Errrr..... Not trying to cause offfense etc - but this is what most Westerners THINKS probably is the case in China. And is not generally correct and is based upon Western concepts of "good long term relationships"

My own experience in China has been the complete opposite - the more familiar you are with them, the more likely they are to take advantage of your patonage, loyalty and generosity. And I am not only talking about KTV/BBS mommas etc - I'm talking about most businesses in China. YOur Chinese counterparty thinks:

- more short term gains rather than long term - as they are way more pragmatic and know that in business, pragmatism is everything and that there is no such thing as true customer loyalty; You'll jump to another provider who offers you a cheaper price, superior product etc.

- You're a westerner and thus probably do not have any other source for their service/you will take quite an effort to establish other connections - and thus they should get you for as much as they can whilst they have you

- You are bending over to give THEM face by doing business with you and thus they can/should take full advantage of such whilst available!

- Hell, he likes me/my service so much that he keeps on coming back to me - thus if I raise the price a bit/shave quality a bit - he'll still come back!

NO, not the pretty picture that Westerners think about China and face and trust and loyalty etc. This is China TODAY - where materialism reigns supreme.

SEAJ

Phil1980
12-29-08, 13:06
My own experience in China has been the complete opposite - the more familiar you are with them, the more likely they are to take advantage of your patonage, loyalty and generosity. And I am not only talking about KTV/BBS mommas etc - I'm talking about most businesses in China. YOur Chinese counterparty thinks:This is especially true if their offer is good/cheap. E.g. on my last stay in Wuhan I always went to the same area and always only paid 150 RMB/shot ST or 30 RMB for a HJ. I never gave a tip.

This went very well for a while, then every girl within a radius of one km seemed to know "that foreigner only gives 150/30 max" and in some establishments it was increasingly difficult even finding a girl willing to service you.

Plus the conceit and arrogance with which these country wenches looked at me when they saw me on the street. On the plus side none of them made any kind of crazy demand like 300 for ST anymore either.

SE Asia Joe
12-30-08, 04:47
This is especially true if their offer is good/cheap. E.g. on my last stay in Wuhan I always went to the same area and always only paid 150 RMB/shot ST or 30 RMB for a HJ. I never gave a tip.

This went very well for a while, then every girl within a radius of one km seemed to know "that foreigner only gives 150/30 max" and in some establishments it was increasingly difficult even finding a girl willing to service you.

Plus the conceit and arrogance with which these country wenches looked at me when they saw me on the street. On the plus side none of them made any kind of crazy demand like 300 for ST anymore either.
Hilarious post! So now you're known as the SSD - for small swinging dick - huh?!
SEAJ

Dumamay
01-04-09, 11:18
What you say is raw truth. And I find it is better to go away for new ones, since it is always better.

But if you really like a place. You can come back. This must be that you really like that place, any business. It is hard to get this stage since people there are hypersensitive as if they are living for a drama court. Always judge and imply and mock etc. Except the young and cute girls. But they are not in charge. Too bad.


Errrr..... Not trying to cause offfense etc - but this is what most Westerners THINKS probably is the case in China. And is not generally correct and is based upon Western concepts of "good long term relationships"

My own experience in China has been the complete opposite - the more familiar you are with them, the more likely they are to take advantage of your patonage, loyalty and generosity. And I am not only talking about KTV/BBS mommas etc - I'm talking about most businesses in China. YOur Chinese counterparty thinks:

- more short term gains rather than long term - as they are way more pragmatic and know that in business, pragmatism is everything and that there is no such thing as true customer loyalty; You'll jump to another provider who offers you a cheaper price, superior product etc.

- You're a westerner and thus probably do not have any other source for their service/you will take quite an effort to establish other connections - and thus they should get you for as much as they can whilst they have you

- You are bending over to give THEM face by doing business with you and thus they can/should take full advantage of such whilst available!

- Hell, he likes me/my service so much that he keeps on coming back to me - thus if I raise the price a bit/shave quality a bit - he'll still come back!

NO, not the pretty picture that Westerners think about China and face and trust and loyalty etc. This is China TODAY - where materialism reigns supreme.

SEAJ

Meiguoguizi
01-05-09, 22:52
The other cultural consideration is that prolonged negotiation is the life's blood of every Chinese business transaction. Yesterday's deal is to be renegotiated today just for the sweet pleasure of negotiating, even if, especially if, the results are the same.
Westerners seldom take joy in the process (looking forward to buying a new car so that you can be worked over by the dealer?). Chinese love it. My first year in Macau I remember the incredulous looks when I was offended by the negotiation before each additional service.
Now I'm stunned if I don't hear 'hai you san bai' every time my little brother approaches any new orifice.

Alienhunt
01-14-09, 05:15
Sex at one of the cheap hotels was 130 RMB per girl and 30 RMB for a room for several hours, so I spent the hours before my train was scheduled to leave shagging four girls one after the otherHey Phil,

Can you provide any info on the hotel experiencel? Is the hotel in Hankou as well, or Wuchang? Can you give us a name or street?

Thanks

Phil1980
01-22-09, 17:51
Hey Phil,

Can you provide any info on the hotel experiencel? Is the hotel in Hankou as well, or Wuchang? Can you give us a name or street?

ThanksThe hotel is right next to the main railway station in Hankou, when you stand in front of the station, look to your right and go straight about 200m. I found it, because the owner talked to me while I was standing in front of the station. Cost is 100 ST for the girl + 30 for the mama, girls were all shaved between the legs as well, which is a bit unusual for China.

Yuri B
01-23-09, 04:44
The hotel is right next to the main railway station in Hankou, when you stand in front of the station, look to your right and go straight about 200m....Sounds very interesting! How would you get there from Shanghai? How far is it? Did any girl speak any English?

Thank you!

Y

Phil1980
01-23-09, 19:18
Sounds very interesting! How would you get there from Shanghai? How far is it? Did any girl speak any English?

Thank you!

Y


Why would you want to go from Shanghai to Wuhan to have sex with some peasant girls in a cheap hotel next to the railway station? It's not like there is no other choice closer by.

Yuri B
01-24-09, 23:21
Why would you want to go from Shanghai to Wuhan to have sex with some peasant girls in a cheap hotel next to the railway station? It's not like there is no other choice closer by.You said, "16-18... mama-san brings one after another..." I probably was looking in all wrong places in Shanghai.

Will have PM next week, if you know what I do not.

Thank you!

AsnDragon
03-13-09, 09:54
Phil1980,

You do have a point, Shanghai to Wuhan is fairly far away. But sometimes being with Peasant girls is really nice. I find them to be down to earth and nicer to be with than big city girls. However, that's only if you can stand them spitting into the wastebasket every 10 mins or so, or at times don't even bother to get a wastebasket and spit onto the carpet floor of the hotels. And peasant girls are also good for the guys who like to see their girl squat on top of the toilet seat like a gargoyle when they go to the bathroom.

Other than that, peasant girls do have their appeal.

Cheers!

A quote borrowed from a famous monger: " Every time I masturbuate I save 200 RMB"

AsnDragon


Why would you want to go from Shanghai to Wuhan to have sex with some peasant girls in a cheap hotel next to the railway station? It's not like there is no other choice closer by.

Mr Enternational
03-14-09, 01:19
But sometimes being with Peasant girls is really nice. I find them to be down to earth and nicer to be with than big city girls. However, that's only if you can stand them spitting into the wastebasket every 10 mins or so, Can you explain this to me. I was with a Chinese girl in Sydney at one of the houses and she kept spitting every 30 seconds or so. Some of the best snatch I have ever had by the way.

AsnDragon
03-14-09, 07:53
Enternational,

It's quite simply if you think about it. China is ridden with so much pollution due to their industrialization. As a result, if you lived in Beijing before, you will notice all the coal they burn, and all the soot and black smoke in the air. Once you inhale that your mouth and throat is covered with that junk. The only way to get rid of it is to spit. That becomes a habit, sort of a second instinctual reflex. Hence the constant spitting. But Hey, nobody's perfect and Chinese girls are still the best even if they spit.

Sydney huh? I would imagine the prices to be quite high there.

AsnDragon


Can you explain this to me. I was with a Chinese girl in Sydney at one of the houses and she kept spitting every 30 seconds or so. Some of the best snatch I have ever had by the way.

OldAsiaHand
03-14-09, 08:54
Can you explain this to me. I was with a Chinese girl in Sydney at one of the houses and she kept spitting every 30 seconds or so. Some of the best snatch I have ever had by the way.

Spitting is very common among Chinese girls when giving head. As AsnDragon says, this is especially true with girls with little experience at it. I asked a couple of girls why and the told me that they did not want to swallow their saliva. I find the frequency much more than 10 minutes, more like every 1 minute or less. IMHO, this the worse attribute among the Chinese working girls.

I also asked if they spit on the floor at home and was told that my hotel room was not home.

Go figure.

Just my POV.

OAH

Tiger 888
03-14-09, 13:05
Spitting is very common among Chinese girls when giving head. As AsnDragon says, this is especially true with girls with little experience at it. I asked a couple of girls why and the told me that they did not want to swallow their saliva. I find the frequency much more than 10 minutes, more like every 1 minute or less. IMHO, this the worse attribute among the Chinese working girls.

I also asked if they spit on the floor at home and was told that my hotel room was not home.

Go figure.

Just my POV.

OAHYeah, of course not their home. And anything beyond escapes their capability to notice.

Sammon
03-14-09, 14:21
Spitting is very common among Chinese girls when giving head. As AsnDragon says, this is especially true with girls with little experience at it. I asked a couple of girls why and the told me that they did not want to swallow their saliva. I find the frequency much more than 10 minutes, more like every 1 minute or less. IMHO, this the worse attribute among the Chinese working girls.

I also asked if they spit on the floor at home and was told that my hotel room was not home.

Go figure.

Just my POV.

OAH

I have asked my Chinese Gf about this. She said according to their health education in school, they will get sick if they swallow saliva or anything they consider dirty. What they do not seem to know is saliva from a healthy person is quite safe. Maybe this is because of the pollution in China. You can see many openly spitting on the street. Younger people have learned to spit in the tissue.
This also happens if they are doing CBJ. Many of you might have also experienced that Chinese girls do not readily DFK anybody like other girls. They also never lick the body head to toe.
This has happened to me from the shark pool girls at Lisboa Casino also. When they do the CBJ they spit all the time into a waste basket. It is annoying at best.

Mmlouie
03-14-09, 18:55
I have asked my Chinese Gf about this. She said according to their health education in school, they will get sick if they swallow saliva or anything they consider dirty.

This also happens if they are doing CBJ. Many of you might have also experienced that Chinese girls do not readily DFK anybody like other girls. They also never lick the body head to toe.

This has happened to me from the shark pool girls at Lisboa Casino also. When they do the CBJ they spit all the time into a waste basket. It is annoying at best. I have never look at it that way, quite interesting and definitely hold some truth to it. I have had experienced with spitting out among the wgs but never with freebies. I even get most of my freebies to CIM or CIMWS, go figure!

AsnDragon
03-14-09, 23:08
Oah,

Spitting on the carpet is just completely nasty. Mostly because most Hotels do not have a carpet steam cleaner, but only have a tile buffer machine. Meaning that when the girl spits on the hotel carpet it's never going to be clean and it always stays there.

That's why before when Swan Lake new wing was newly open I walked around with my barefoot on the carpet. Now, I have to use slippers. Have yo noticed how dirty the carpets are nowadays in comparison to a few months ago? If there's one thing about Chinese is that they are bad at maintaining things.

Anyhow, I'm alright with them spitting in a quite fashion. Believe it or not, there are some girls who spit eloquently (quietly) and there are those girls who make the annoying loud sound as if they are hogging a luggie from their lungs and spit it out harshly.

Also. Working girls don't consider the BBS room as their own home too, so they spit not just their saliva on the floors, but sugar cane remains, watermelon seeds etc.

AsnDragon


Spitting is very common among Chinese girls when giving head. As AsnDragon says, this is especially true with girls with little experience at it. I asked a couple of girls why and the told me that they did not want to swallow their saliva. I find the frequency much more than 10 minutes, more like every 1 minute or less. IMHO, this the worse attribute among the Chinese working girls.

I also asked if they spit on the floor at home and was told that my hotel room was not home.

Go figure.

Just my POV.

OAH

AsnDragon
03-14-09, 23:19
Sammon,

Yes I think Chinese have bad public health education. I once had a girl who used the hotel's complimentary toothpaste to clean her vagina after sex. When I saw it I asked her what she's doing, there's body soap right next to her.

She explained that the toothpaste helps kill germs in your mouth so it should help kill germs down there in her vagina. I was thinking in my head, that's the wrong mouth.

I suppose the mentality would make sense if it were like listerine which actually has alcohol or something, but the hotel's free toothpaste is cheap crap, which probably has freon inside or something.

So I think China should have better education on health issues. But then again, I had a girl in the US who said "I won't get pregnant if you pull your penis out before you cum" So perhaps ignorance is widespread.

AsnDragon


I have asked my Chinese Gf about this. She said according to their health education in school, they will get sick if they swallow saliva or anything they consider dirty. What they do not seem to know is saliva from a healthy person is quite safe. Maybe this is because of the pollution in China. You can see many openly spitting on the street. Younger people have learned to spit in the tissue.

This also happens if they are doing CBJ. Many of you might have also experienced that Chinese girls do not readily DFK anybody like other girls. They also never lick the body head to toe.

This has happened to me from the shark pool girls at Lisboa Casino also. When they do the CBJ they spit all the time into a waste basket. It is annoying at best.

Bnlee2
03-15-09, 04:50
I have never look at it that way, quite interesting and definitely hold some truth to it. I have had experienced with spitting out among the wgs but never with freebies. I even get most of my freebies to CIM or CIMWS, go figure! I totally agreed that most freebies will do CIM or CIMWS. Much less spitting with freebies too. I really hates it when they start spitting. That is why I never go barefoot in the hotel rooms. Imagine stepping on the phlims that some gal cough up several days ago.

Mmlouie
03-15-09, 07:24
I totally agreed that most freebies will do CIM or CIMWS. Much less spitting with freebies too. I really hates it when they start spitting. That is why I never go barefoot in the hotel rooms. Imagine stepping on the phlims that some gal cough up several days ago.Ouch, you just gave me that heebie jeebies just thinking about it. Darn, I've got to keep reminding myself to put on those disposable slippers.

OldAsiaHand
03-15-09, 13:24
I totally agreed that most freebies will do CIM or CIMWS. Much less spitting with freebies too. I really hates it when they start spitting. That is why I never go barefoot in the hotel rooms. Imagine stepping on the phlims that some gal cough up several days ago.

I have never had a freebie spit when giving head.

OAH

Exile
03-16-09, 09:20
I have never had a freebie spit when giving head.

Same here but I suppose that I have never had a freebie from the countryside.

Eaglestar
03-16-09, 12:42
I have never had a freebie spit when giving head.

OAH

OAH is correct from my experience. I don't do anything but freebies and have NEVER EVER had one spit during the process, only after, if they are not a "swallower".

ES

Meiguoguizi
03-16-09, 16:16
Ouch, you just gave me that heebie jeebies just thinking about it. Darn, I've got to keep reminding myself to put on those disposable slippers.

I wonder how the country girls feel about our porno-trained penchant for frantically pulling out, dashing forward, pealing the condom, aiming our tool, and spraying their wide frightened eyes and now-sticky matted hair?

OldAsiaHand
03-16-09, 17:47
I wonder how the country girls feel about our porno-trained penchant for frantically pulling out, dashing forward, pealing the condom, aiming our tool, and spraying their wide frightened eyes and now-sticky matted hair?

One of my favorites but very few WG will agree in China. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been successful. When I ask mamas about it, they look at me like I am sick or something.

Just my POV.

OAH

Mmlouie
03-16-09, 22:12
I wonder how the country girls feel about our porno-trained penchant for frantically pulling out, dashing forward, pealing the condom, aiming our tool, and spraying their wide frightened eyes and now-sticky matted hair?
My freebie girls will rather swallow than have me spray all over their face. I did that once to a girl, she got really pixxed off at me. Now she swallows it instead.

Hey, come to think of it; this might be a good way to get CIM.

Bad Boy Billy
03-17-09, 00:42
When I ask mamas about it, they look at me like I am sick or something.Are you trying to tell us you aren't?

Mate any chance you will be in BJ Sat Mar 28?

Special dinner being arranged for special people.

Nighthawk55
03-17-09, 20:59
One of my favorites but very few WG will agree in China. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been successful. When I ask mamas about it, they look at me like I am sick or something.

Just my POV.

OAHI left this question in Words and Phrases without response.

What do you call that in Mandarin?

I want to ask for it in advance.

Sniffer
03-29-09, 12:28
I left this question in Words and Phrases without response.

What do you call that in Mandarin?

I want to ask for it in advance.

The correct term is "Yan She" ( 颜射 ). But depends on how experienced the girl is, and how "fluent" she is with these terminologies, she might not know what that means. Alternatively, you can say "She Dao Lian Shang" ( 射到脸上 ).

RCA Knight
04-02-09, 15:20
I said this term "yan she" to a few regular Chinese girls working in company office, but they do not know what it is. But I show them the chinese characters they said they can guess what it means and they all laughed.

"Yan she" is definitely a high level terminology, I said this way a few times,
"She zai lian shung" (shoot on the face) and all girls understand it.

Nighthawk55
04-03-09, 20:07
Xie Xie to both of you.

Red Ice
05-08-09, 00:30
Do anyone know how much you should paid for the WG on street, sauna and KTV in Beijing.

Member #4214
05-18-09, 04:54
Did I say free? Sorry, I meant to say YOU get paid, hahaha!

http://slamxhype.com/blogs/shanghai-that-extra-mile/

Fen D
05-19-09, 04:19
Did I say free? Sorry, I meant to say YOU get paid, hahaha!

http://slamxhype.com/blogs/shanghai-that-extra-mile/The images you attached are not true. Don't believe

Goderos
05-19-09, 07:31
Did I say free? Sorry, I meant to say YOU get paid, hahaha!

http://slamxhype.com/blogs/shanghai-that-extra-mile/Is this a an April fools joke? This sounds too good to be true. LOL.

Mike B
05-19-09, 12:41
is this a an april fools joke? this sounds too good to be true . LoL ...Of course it's not actually like the pictures!

Otherwise there would be a line-up for miles of guys willing to "donate".

Matsu69
05-20-09, 03:32
Of course it's not actually like the pictures!

Otherwise there would be a line-up for miles of guys willing to "donate".Do a google search on Shanghai Sperm Bank. You'll see several results that come in talking about the hoax. The hospital issued a statement that everything is done by yourself in a private room. No helping hands. Looks like these pics have been out for a couple months now. Apparently they had a lot of guys showing up asking for the service.

Mi Ke
09-01-09, 16:06
No matter whether you choose BBS, sauna, KTV, ding dong girls or street walkers, you will usually get better quality for your buck if you are willing to settle for older less beautiful girls. There is a sauna in Kunming which regularly charges 500 yuan. They provide a lineup to choose from. One day the lineup included five girls, three stunners of about 20 years of age, one stunner of about 30 years of age and one average looking lady of about 35 years of age. That day, I chooze one of the three young lovelies. THe experience was good but inexperienced choreographed and mechanical, not something I would dream about that night. The next week, the lineup was similar. The 35 year old was again on the line. Her eye caught mine and there was something very special there. I pointed to her. Her face lighted up. What followed was something to remember. Passionate BBBJ, rimming, lovemaking. She gave me her phone number and I called her the next day. Two days later, she came to my home and became my weekly cleaning lady. Every week for two months, she cleaned my home and slept with me for 300 yuan and she would have accepted half of that. We are still close friends though she now live in another province. I offer these photos as a testimonial to her.Hello Bro,

I was in Beijing sometime back, did not post any thin then but decide to post something now. Was feeling lonely, so went online to look for massage services, came upon a http://www.piaoliangbaobei.com. Cn, and called, a sweet voice answered, and I specified that I wanted girl 8., any one going to Beijing can try her at the following number, this is her own number, [Telephone Number deleted by Admin], her name is?

Enjoy

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Internationman
09-18-09, 08:04
Here is a phone number to a massage place that says they charge a lot, but you can bargain them down, I got them down to 400rmb, but I'm sure they'll go to 300. They arrived in 20 mins, the girl wasn't the best looking, but she was nice and let me do whatever I wanted.

Member #2962
09-20-09, 22:42
Here is a phone number to a massage place that says they charge a lot, but you can bargain them down, I got them down to 400rmb, but I'm sure they'll go to 300. They arrived in 20 mins, the girl wasn't the best looking, but she was nice and let me do whatever I wanted.
WHERE IS THE NUMBER ?

SE Asia Joe
09-21-09, 16:58
WHERE IS THE NUMBER ?
Tommy B Tommy B!! You been busted by Jackson twice for posting up Phone numbers, which under ISG rules is NOT allowed.

And now you're asking Internationman to post it up?

SEAJ

Muzungufotsy
10-02-09, 08:09
Here is a phone number to a massage place that says they charge a lot, but you can bargain them down, I got them down to 400rmb, but I'm sure they'll go to 300. They arrived in 20 mins, the girl wasn't the best looking, but she was nice and let me do whatever I wanted.ok so 300rmb for ST is supposed to be cheap in shanghai? !

I m talking about 30 or 50 max for a ST to be considered as cheap.

I know in dongguan it s possible

Any areas of China where we can get cheap prices and decent service?

Thanks

Guoren
10-05-09, 04:30
You want cheap? I was in Xining a few years back and the girls in the Tibetan market street standing outside the BBSs wanted RMB 20 for a quickie.


ok so 300rmb for ST is supposed to be cheap in shanghai? !

I m talking about 30 or 50 max for a ST to be considered as cheap.

I know in dongguan it s possible

Any areas of China where we can get cheap prices and decent service?

Thanks

SE Asia Joe
10-05-09, 06:46
you want cheap? i was in xining a few years back and the girls in the tibetan market street standing outside the bbss wanted rmb 20 for a quickie.
actually this thread should never even have been started, imho.

the gals we routinely do do - those that are not scraping the bottom of the barrel - are already cheap by most standards, thank you very much!

there is hardly any justification for anybody to want to seek - or for any one outside of china to even know - about really cheap sex in china.

in any case, these really cheap sex alternatives are geared/meant for the lower strata local mongers and not for the foreign mongers. so really not much point discussing it on international s.g.

more importantly, do we really want the low end foreign dregs, reading the "low down" on china and then start coming here to seek these venues??

methinks we already got more than enough problems as mongers in china without attracting these type mongers.

just imho

seaj

Muzungufotsy
10-05-09, 08:58
actually this thread should never even have been started, imho.

the gals we routinely do do - those that are not scraping the bottom of the barrel - are already cheap by most standards, thank you very much!

there is hardly any justification for anybody to want to seek - or for any one outside of china to even know - about really cheap sex in china.

do we really want the low end dregs, reading the "low down" on china and then start coming here to seek these venues??

methinks we already got more than enough problems as mongers in china without attracting these type mongers.

just imho

seajin pattaya when i take a girl on the beach and i keep her the whole afternoon for 500 bahts which is 100yuans.

she s pretty i got satisfied by the service and many people do it.

i know people who take a girl from a gogo will pay 2000 for a st.

that s their choice maybe they think the girl is more beautiful but the service won't be neccessarily better

in china not everybody goes to ktv and spends 1000 on a night.

if you can afford and you are happy with that good for you.

but if people are looking for a cheaper option what s wrong with it?

i respect big spenders so please respect people on a budget.

thanks

SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 01:56
In Pattaya when I take a girl on the beach and I keep her the whole afternoon for 500 bahts which is 100yuans.

She s pretty I got satisfied by the service and many people do it.

I know people who take a girl from a gogo will pay 2000 for a ST.

That s their choice maybe they think the girl is more beautiful but the service won't be neccessarily better

In China not everybody goes to KTV and spends 1000 on a night.

If you can afford and you are happy with that good for you.

But if people are looking for a cheaper option what s wrong with it?

I respect big spenders so please respect people on a budget.

Thanks

OK - of course I respect people on a budget. You've got your needs also etc.

BUT, the BIG problem is that China is NOT a Sex tourism destination - at least we all know that it does NOT want to be known INTERNATIONALLY as being a sex tourism destination. As such, we foreign mongers in China already do have a hard enough time enjoying whatever it is that we do manage to find.

It's not a hard and fast rule - and it certainly is NOT a published manifesto/law/mission statement etc - but we all know that the Chinese Government only 'tolerates' us foreign mongers IF we will "behave" ourselves and at venues/locales where they can turn a blind eye so to call.

OK, it's a fact that the sex industry is required for the locals anyways, and thus it would be totally unrealistic if they would still ban all sex service activities like in the "good ole days". (AND yeah, I'm being facetious/sarcastic here - before anybody jump up and down on me!!) And since this is so, the powers-that-be also realizes that there ARE foreigners who will also avail themselves of such service.

The problems arise when the foreigner mongers venture into venues/locales that they feel really really makes the "Chinese Face" look bad - and by that I of course mean the real cheap venues which are there only to service the lower spending locals. And then let it be known to the world how cheap sex is in China and how cheap Chinese gals are etc.

And also when droves of these dregs (that we all see .... and get disgusted with in known cheap sex tourist destinations like AC, Pattaya etc) start coming over to OUR shores. Looking and acting badly.

Yes, I respect you guys on a budget - but I ain't gonna respect you so much as to want you to come over here in droves and spoil my own playground am I??!! Why should I??!!

You guys want budget sex - then go to your known sex destinations. And yes, if I had my ways, I'd outright ban you guys who will do nothing but make it harder for me in China as a foreign monger.

Come to monger to China?? Hell, at least don't do it where/how you're gonna spoil it for the rest of us. OK?

IMHO

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 03:56
Further to my earlier post, I think that I do need to clarify certain things!!

Prison Break - I met you a few times and I would like to make sure that you know that I am NOT talking about you and your mongering 'habits' in particular or even as a generalization.

I see you as being an intelligent, well spoken young man who needs to economize and be smart when mongering. You and your type of mongers definitely ARE not what I am afraid will start coming over to China to spoil it all for us.

Who I AM worried about is of course the beer swilling, beer gutted, loud football hooligans and the weird misfits who are misfits even in their own country. We've all seen these types in Patts, AC etc - and those are the kind of guys who will make it harder for ALL of us to enjoy our "hobby" in China - where safety is of paramount consideration.

These kind of guys are the GENERAL Mongers On a Budget - the MOB! \\I'd characterize you as being not a general MOB - and can see you as a clean cut young professional when you're back in your own country.

Peace 3??!! That's Peace 3 times!!

SEAJ

Ps.
And the above is the reason I had refused to take you to the Catacombs - as I KNOW that I'm not going to be doin' you - or myself any favors doing that! And for the Catacombs - I'm gonna get on Superforce's case - for having originally naming it so and making it practically folklore on our DGG boards - whilst all it is a cheap, dangerous, rat infested collection of dirt floored hovels - with equal quality gals!

SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 07:58
Apologies guys AND Jackson - herewith a C+P of a post i just wrote on a wrong thread:
///////////////
GooOOoooOOooood Grief!!

How do I do this.....??

Get myself in some more deep doo doo.... even before I extricate myself from the hot water I'm in already??!!....t@#$!!

I've just heard "The word." Aaaaaand I quote" :

"..........Please do NOT use the initials "LL" to mean Low Lifes! We on the Thailand boards mean Livingstone Lodge when we write LL. At least make sure you draw a clear distinction that you mean low lifes and NOT Livingstone Lodge when writing LL. Thank You............"

OK..... I'm NOT sure if this "word" came from a detractor or a sycophant (they hate that I use this word to describe guys who seems to live and die with LL!!!!) of LL.

If you are a detractor - well - you've got your wish with this post.

If on the other hand you are a (sycophant, no no, OK, OK) FAN of LL - who've been soooo jubilant and crowing this past couple or so days that "Any publicity, good or bad, is good publicity".... Well..... you've also got your wish!!

So please don't neither of you guys get after my case no more - OK?

I mean Hezzus Christos, the last time I even only mentioned that LL's - (errrr.... that's Livingstone's Lodge and NOT Low life's) got plastic chairs - as indeed their furnitures are covered in Plastic (NO NO NO - its Naugahide over Teak wood!!), I nearly didn't get out of there alive.

And I happen to be a fan of LL (Livingstone's Lodge!!! NOT low life's) - as I guess that there's just too many LL low lifes in Thailand - and LL (Livingstone's Lodge) does offer an oasis of at least a bit more discerning "higher" grade..... mongers (no no no, I ain't gonna use LL instead of mongers!) - and one does get what one expect.....

Peace Y'all!!

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand
10-06-09, 09:11
In Pattaya when I take a girl on the beach and I keep her the whole afternoon for 500 bahts which is 100yuans.

Prison Break,

Some of them will take 200 Baht ST during the low season. Not the best of the bunch mind you but you can find it for that price. That said, there are some pretty skanky quality along there, especially during the daytime. At night, you can find a few worth doing.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
10-06-09, 09:18
Ps.
And the above is the reason I had refused to take you to the Catacombs - as I KNOW that I'm not going to be doin' you - or myself any favors doing that! And for the Catacombs - I'm gonna get on Superforce's case - for having originally naming it so and making it practically folklore on our DGG boards - whilst all it is a cheap, dangerous, rat infested collection of dirt floored hovels - with equal quality gals!

SEAJ,

I agree that it is cheap, dangerous, rat infested, dirt floored hovels, however, I have seen doable girls there if you do not mind poking a girl that services 10-12 local customers a day, can stand the stench in the hovels and will share a wooden plank of a bed with the rats for 20 minutes.

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 09:36
SEAJ,

I agree that it is cheap, dangerous, rat infested, dirt floored hovels, however, I have seen doable girls there if you do not mind poking a girl that services 10-12 local customers a day, can stand the stench in the hovels and will share a wooden plank of a bed with the rats for 20 minutes.

Just my POV.

OAH
Oh OAH!!

You and all these guys who's all enamored and fixated with the Cxxxxxxbs!!

Strike that word from your vocabulary. Banish it to Banshee.

Do NOT give THAT place any more renown/publicity/coverage. It's a real shit hole and the denizens of that place is just a grade higher than common farm animals.

AND, we (Or should I say - I) really really wish that nobody knows or talk about these hovels> I truly am worried that all these dregs/ LL-MOB's (Low Life, Monger On a budget) are gonna be sooooo attracted/fixated with such a cheap offering that they'll end up over-running our version of pussy heaven.

IMHO or in your words, just my POV

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand
10-06-09, 09:40
SEAJ,

I don't think we have to worry about all the low budget mongers coming to China. First of all, a visa costs money whereas, it is free in Thailand and Philippines. Second, English is rarely spoken in the mongering scene. Third, the action is not directly in your face and out in the open compared with other mongering destinations. The scene is more difficult to navigate for a newbie.

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 10:03
SEAJ,

I don't think we have to worry about all the low budget mongers coming to China. First of all, a visa costs money whereas, it is free in Thailand and Philippines. Second, English is rarely spoken in the mongering scene. Third, the action is not directly in your face and out in the open compared with other mongering destinations. The scene is more difficult to navigate for a newbie.

Just my POV.

OAH
PRECISELY!!!

These LL's read all this talk about cheap pussy in China, come over with their expectations sky-high... and end up all frustrated and pissed off.

Worse then, true to their low IQ and Low Life nature (that I've seen from the way they act in real cheap mongering destinations), they'll be here and raise hell and otherwise cause all sorts of problems to everybody - including us "regular" China Mongers.

As far as visa fees is concerned - how much is it really?? Ain't that much really.

And No-Ingrisse?? No probremo - these idots will think.

And do they KNOW that the mongering scene in china is totally not like the REAL mongering destinations? NO, and especially if we as a group of contributors keep on talkin' about how cheap and accessible and easy and great and...... it is to monger in China.

That's the point I'm tryin' to put accross.

IMHO, My POV

SEAJ

Clean Gene
10-06-09, 14:55
PRECISELY!!!
And do they KNOW that the mongering scene in china is totally not like the real mongering destinations? NO, and especially if we as a group of contributors keep on talkin' about how cheap and accessible and easy and great and...... it is to monger in China.

That's the point I'm tryin' to put accross.

IMHO, My POV

SEAJ
These girls often really need the small money. I'd like to give them a few rmb and a good word. Too dangerous though. People pushed so low may not respect my 'civil rights'. Like: 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'.
CG

Phil1980
10-06-09, 17:39
SEAJ,

I don't think we have to worry about all the low budget mongers coming to China. First of all, a visa costs money whereas, it is free in Thailand and Philippines. Second, English is rarely spoken in the mongering scene. Third, the action is not directly in your face and out in the open compared with other mongering destinations. The scene is more difficult to navigate for a newbie.

Just my POV.

OAH


I agree, basically if as a foreigner you know a sufficient amount of Chinese and know your way around, pussy in China is 150 RMB, if you don't know language or location it's more like 1000 RMB.

SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 17:55
I agree, basically if as a foreigner you know a sufficient amount of Chinese and know your way around, pussy in China is 150 RMB, if you don't know language or location it's more like 1000 RMB.
errrrr.... that's how I want it to stay being!!

And I would respectfully request all guys who DO know all the action in China - especially and including the Sub RMB 150 places/action - to just not post such info here or anywhere.

Look-it, I would like to think that you and I - as well as MOST other guys who regularly mongers in China - would not routinely go to these super cheap joints.... even if we have the info etc on this action - so why post up such info??

It'll only attract all the Low Life - Mongers On a Budget (LL-MOB'S!!!) to China and screw things up for us/make it all that harder for us to enjoy the sport in China.

And let me shoot another arrow across the prow of these LL-MOB's who may be tempted to put up all sorts arguments that we SHOULD post info on "Cheap Sex In China" i.e. purpose of ISG is to share info, don't be a selfish dip shit, what's wrong with sharing etc etc. WELL, if you're gonna be arguing for the posting of info on "Cheap sex in China" then all of us would easily identify YOU as a likely LL-MOB!!

So go ahead and argue for more info here - we'll all just routinely identify you as a likely LL-MOB.

AND>>>>> if you're gonna be giving/writing info on "Cheap Sex In China" then all of us will DEFINITELY identify you as an LL-MOB!!

Good conundrum I'm putting up here huh - where it would be pure lose-lose for anybody to post/ask/inform on this thread (which I believe should never even have been started in the first place.)

May this thread die!!

SEAJ

Meiguoguizi
10-06-09, 20:28
It's the rare westerner that strays beyond the south gate of Ritan Park in Beijing,, Tang RenLu in Shanghai, and Wan Chai in Hong Kong.. In second tier cities the big -noses crowd the lobby bars in 5 star hotels.
Rather than abuse the low-end of the market, they routinely inflate the high end.
Sure, the ISG regular 'lao wai' may brave a BBS and local Sauna or KTV, but the one-time RTFF dolts are just looking for Maggies and Manhattan and Neptunes where they can speak English and pay 4 figures for some provider that SEAJ screwed ten years ago for 150.
Personally, I routinely pay 50 or 100rmb more at a BBSs than the locals do. I don't resent it. I know that I'm not the ideal customer and I'm happy to pay the lao wai tax. I'm a guest in China and I remember to act like it.

Phil1980
10-06-09, 20:45
Personally, I routinely pay 50 or 100rmb more at a BBSs than the locals do. I don't resent it. I know that I'm not the ideal customer and I'm happy to pay the lao wai tax. I'm a guest in China and I remember to act like it.


Yeah, paying 200 where the locals pay 100-150 is still ok in my books too, as long as I'm not a regular customer. When long-term in a place in China I would expect the local price, when a stranger I know I get the foreigner tax when I take a taxi or hotel or girl. But when I hear some people on here paying 600-2000 ST, jeezus, you aren't only idiots causing damage to yourselves, you're hurting the smarter foreigners as well.

My personal opinion is, the less you pay, the greater the satisfaction once you've cum and are leaving the establishment. Cuming for 30 RMB while fondling a 20yo Chinese girls pussy and suckling her titties is better value for money than more or less any vaginal intercourse for several times as much money.

OldAsiaHand
10-07-09, 04:46
SEAJ,

As you know, the catacombs are not laowai friendly. Most of the girls won't even service foreigners and, those that do, ask for a ridiculous amount of money. The service is horrible. No BJ is available, covered or otherwise. The girl just lays down, spreads her legs and tells you to stick it in. Most don't even bother to remove their top. After 20 minutes, there is a knock on the door and time is up whether you have popped or not. It is hard to believe that MOB will be rushing over in hordes for this kind of experience, cheap or not.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
10-07-09, 05:00
Meiguoguizi,

I wish that I had such a rational attitude as you do. I cannot help but resent that I am being charged a laowai tax especially when my dick is smaller than SEAJ and he pays local rates.

I manage to get the local prices in most South China venues since I am a regular customer. However, in Shanghai, Beijing and other places, I am always quoted with the laowai tax added. If it is not too far out of line, I usually accept it since my small head gets in the way and, as you say, it is usually not more than 50-100 RMB extra at a BBS.

Case in point is a recent visit to Haikou. I read on ISG that BBS pricing was around 100 RMB ST whereas, they would not accept less than 200 RMB and some even quoted 300 RMB. Some did agree to 150 RMB if we did the girls onsite but we wanted to take them back to the hotel. I must say that I was very impressed with the quality and service though.

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
10-07-09, 05:19
SEAJ,

As you know, the catacombs are not laowai friendly. Most of the girls won't even service foreigners and, those that do, ask for a ridiculous amount of money. The service is horrible. No BJ is available, covered or otherwise. The girl just lays down, spreads her legs and tells you to stick it in. Most don't even bother to remove their top. After 20 minutes, there is a knock on the door and time is up whether you have popped or not. It is hard to believe that MOB will be rushing over in hordes for this kind of experience, cheap or not.

Just my POV.

OAH
OAH - these are the only kinds of posts I'd like to see on this stooooopid thread; that cheap sex in China does NOT exist in China for the foreign mongers - AND if a miracle happens and a furrener do get lucky, that he's gonna be asked for ridiculous amount of $$ to do it.


THIS.... is the reality of the China mongering scene - instead of all them really dumb "I hear that a RMB 30 FS exists some where in China - where?" Idiotic and totally misleading

Other than these kinds of posts that you guys been writing - I'd say that any others would be like shooting ourselves in the foot.

IMHO

SEAJ

Chocha Monger
10-07-09, 05:42
And the above is the reason I had refused to take you to the Catacombs - as I KNOW that I'm not going to be doin' you - or myself any favors doing that! And for the Catacombs - I'm gonna get on Superforce's case - for having originally naming it so and making it practically folklore on our DGG boards - whilst all it is a cheap, dangerous, rat infested collection of dirt floored hovels - with equal quality gals!
The Catacombs of Dongguan are now the stuff of legends. All mongers should make the pilgrimage at least once in their lifetime to bang cheap pussy. In Peru there is Pizza Alley and Las Cucardas; in the Philippines there is LA Café and Angeles City; in Cambodia there are the Chicken Farms; Colombia has La Mayorista; and in China there are the Catacombs of Dongguan. Each country has its flea market for dirt cheap pussy. For those mongers who love “five dollar” pussy the Catacombs are a must. Sure there is a little danger, a few rats, and cum soaked linens on prison style plank beds but it only adds to the decadent and sordid nature of the whole experience.

Clean Gene
10-07-09, 06:07
Last June a California Senator's office made a discreet inquiry about a missing non-Californian resident. The scuttlebutt was that this disappeared person had been verbally, physically and fiscally ($$'s) abusive to some SW's.
I've been watching the media, but have seen nothing so far.

Exile
10-07-09, 08:18
This thread made me laugh when it was started because, if you are in China and know your way around, all sex is cheap sex and, if you are/do not, nothing is going to help you.

In China, if you take the red pill, you are able to see 150RMB places everywhere. I had lived and been in and out of the country for years before my monger eyes were opened and I was amazed that there had been action right under my nose but I hadn't seen it. Mongers on a budget, in for a few days aren't going to see the action even if they know where to look for it. A posse of fat foreigners rolling up to a barbershop in many places have as high of likelihood to get a haircut as any action. The worst that could happen is one of two of them get roughed up and the authorities get involved, making it harder on everybody.

I don't agree that China isn't a mongering destination but most of the people who do so are overseas Chinese or have some other connection and the biggest danger they bring is that they are going to drive up prices in higher end places.

Neeko1
10-07-09, 13:54
The Catacombs of Dongguan sounds like something from a D&D game or World of Warcraft. Upon reading part of this thread it's clear this is not the kind of place I would want to see. Cheap pussy is all fine and well but rat-infested hovels? Not a chance. I won't traverse the entire globe just to put myself in a dangerous and dirty place. Not my idea of fun. I'll leave that to the locals, expats, or others who know the scene well enough to monger there safely.

Neeko

Phil1980
10-07-09, 16:30
The girl just lays down, spreads her legs and tells you to stick it in. Most don't even bother to remove their top.


I think the best advice is: If you're looking for romanticism, get a girlfriend whom you don't pay any kind of regular money for being your girlfriend. Unless you're a total loser, finding a girl is not difficult for a Westerner in China (and this isn't just some stupid insult, but if you're a White guy in China and can't find a regular Chinese girl to be your girlfriend without payment despite trying, you have to be close to a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10, it's also not directed at you OAH, since you mentioned on here you were married or whatever anyway).

It's not like the expensive hookers have any feelings for you either, is it? I've always just considered it a physical relief and maybe the mental kick of buying a girl, but if you're looking for love and feelings from a hooker, you could just as well go and look for love and friendship from one of the many street vendors in China who are trying to sell you their overpriced junk.

OldAsiaHand
10-08-09, 12:31
The Catacombs of Dongguan are now the stuff of legends. All mongers should make the pilgrimage at least once in their lifetime to bang cheap pussy. In Peru there is Pizza Alley and Las Cucardas; in the Philippines there is LA Café and Angeles City; in Cambodia there are the Chicken Farms; Colombia has La Mayorista; and in China there are the Catacombs of Dongguan. Each country has its flea market for dirt cheap pussy. For those mongers who love “five dollar” pussy the Catacombs are a must. Sure there is a little danger, a few rats, and cum soaked linens on prison style plank beds but it only adds to the decadent and sordid nature of the whole experience.

Chocha Monger,

You forgot to mention GB Road in New Delhi. I've not mongered much in South America, but the catacombs is far worse than LA Cafe and Angeles in The Phillipines and the Chicken Farms in Cambodia.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
10-08-09, 13:00
I think the best advice is: If you're looking for romanticism, get a girlfriend whom you don't pay any kind of regular money for being your girlfriend. Unless you're a total loser, finding a girl is not difficult for a Westerner in China (and this isn't just some stupid insult, but if you're a White guy in China and can't find a regular Chinese girl to be your girlfriend without payment despite trying, you have to be close to a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10, it's also not directed at you OAH, since you mentioned on here you were married or whatever anyway).

It's not like the expensive hookers have any feelings for you either, is it? I've always just considered it a physical relief and maybe the mental kick of buying a girl, but if you're looking for love and feelings from a hooker, you could just as well go and look for love and friendship from one of the many street vendors in China who are trying to sell you their overpriced junk.

Phil1980,

Married or not, I have my share of the above. The problem is that I get bored very quickly doing the same girl. Variety is the spice of life as they say and there is no way I can have as many Chinese freebie girlfriends as I can with P4P.

Just my POV.

OAH

Chocha Monger
10-08-09, 19:19
Chocha Monger,

You forgot to mention GB Road in New Delhi. I've not mongered much in South America, but the catacombs is far worse than LA Cafe and Angeles in The Phillipines and the Chicken Farms in Cambodia.

Just my POV.

OAH
OAH,
I also forgot to give honorable mention to the truck stops along the Central American Hwy in Honduras where fucks can be had in a truck cab for 100 lempiras (~5.50 USD) and the brothels of Nicaragua where fucks can be had for 7.50 USD. Have you done La Cucardas and Los Trocaderos in Peru? You get to see pails filled with jizzed filled condoms and a few cucarachas (cockroaches) scurrying around the room and maybe across your back as you do the deed.

SE Asia Joe
10-09-09, 04:32
This thread made me laugh when it was started because, if you are in China and know your way around, all sex is cheap sex and, if you are/do not, nothing is going to help you.

In China, if you take the red pill, you are able to see 150RMB places everywhere. I had lived and been in and out of the country for years before my monger eyes were opened and I was amazed that there had been action right under my nose but I hadn't seen it. Mongers on a budget, in for a few days aren't going to see the action even if they know where to look for it. A posse of fat foreigners rolling up to a barbershop in many places have as high of likelihood to get a haircut as any action. The worst that could happen is one of two of them get roughed up and the authorities get involved, making it harder on everybody.

I don't agree that China isn't a mongering destination but most of the people who do so are overseas Chinese or have some other connection and the biggest danger they bring is that they are going to drive up prices in higher end places.
Whether China is a "mongering Destination" or not is of course debatable but it is pretty well irrefutable that the Chinese Government AND the Chinese populace certainly do not want it be known that China is such a destination.

This being so, it bodes well for us all - a group of mainly Foreign mongers - to let those on our boards to fully understand what the implications of mongering in China really is:

- Do NOT come to China with the idea of behaving - and appearing - as you would normally behave at known Mongering destinations.

- Prostitution per SE is very much an illegal activity - and Foreign mongers caught participating in such activities - whether as part of a sting operation or as part of the regular and wider sweep of such activities - will not only be in piles of trouble, but will also be given prominence as he - as opposed to the Regular Chinese John - would be considered a prized catch.

- Unlike at a lot of "real" Mongering destinations, where prostitution is only technically illegal - but the laws against such are hardly ever invoked, China's laws against prostitution are regularly enforced and enforced in such a way that most times a monger WILL be caught unawares. (hard to avoid being caught/take steps for safe mongering )

- Don't even think that you are going to be able to access some (most) of the mongering venues open to the locals.

- Forget especially those that are "cheaper" than what we on the China boards generally talk about.(and which is actually cheap enough for the quality one gets!!). Those are for the locals - and as such, my contention that this "Cheap sex in China" thread should never even have been started in the first place.

China a mongering destination - yeah - but IMHO this is something that we on this board should NOT crow too loudly about. And if the present trend continues - China will go the same way as most "western countries" and pretty soon, our favorite hobby is Not going to be as plentiful as we're now enjoying.

IMHO

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
10-09-09, 04:41
The Catacombs of Dongguan are now the stuff of legends. All mongers should make the pilgrimage at least once in their lifetime to bang cheap pussy. ........... Each country has its flea market for dirt cheap pussy. For those mongers who love “five dollar” pussy the Catacombs are a must. Sure there is a little danger, a few rats, and cum soaked linens on prison style plank beds but it only adds to the decadent and sordid nature of the whole experience.
The Catacombs the stuff of legends??!! A Must?? And only represents a "...little danger?"

Chocha - have you actually done a catacombs gal yourself?
Have you ever even been to the Catacombs?

I'm really curious as you write here with such authority.

Or are you just speculating and/or blowing smoke here?

Come to think of it - how many guys here on this board has actually gone and done a Catacombs gal. I only know of 2 or 3 max. guys that's actually gone and done it - whilst most would go there as some kind of perverse "tourist attraction" or pilgrimage whilst not actually going ahead and doin' a gal (me included!!).

Chocha - do you even know the dangers of even just walking about - in broad day light - the catacombs area? Especially if you're an easily identifiable foreigner?

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand
10-09-09, 05:05
OAH,
I also forgot to give honorable mention to the truck stops along the Central American Hwy in Honduras where fucks can be had in a truck cab for 100 lempiras (~5.50 USD) and the brothels of Nicaragua where fucks can be had for 7.50 USD. Have you done La Cucardas and Los Trocaderos in Peru? You get to see pails filled with jizzed filled condoms and a few cucarachas (cockroaches) scurrying around the room and maybe across your back as you do the deed.

Chocha Monger,

Unfortunately, I have never mongered in Peru. Only been there once to visit Machu Picchu but it was not convenient to monger.

You can find the jizzed filled condoms in the red light district of Amsterdam where the girls keep them in a large ashtray in the rooms to remember how many punters they do in a day or to advertise how popular they are. I don't know which.

The cheapest pussy I ever had was in a small town about 35 kms. SE of Nong Khai in Northeast Thailand where I paid 25 Baht (around $1.00 at the time). They also had slightly better quaility (described as less used) for 35 Baht but I could not tell the difference. I also remember $2.00 ST in Vung Tau about 1.5 hours from HCMC in Vietnam. Cockroaches are standard in these venues. These places still exist but prices have doubled over the years.

Speaking of cockroaches, I remember visiting a BBS in Shantou a few years ago. I was led into a room in the back and when the girl turned on the light, I saw what must have been a hundred cockroaches scurring off the bed. Needless to say, I elected for takeaway service.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
10-09-09, 05:18
The Catacombs the stuff of legends??!! A Must?? And only represents a "...little danger?"

Chocha - have you actually done a catacombs gal yourself?
Have you ever even been to the Catacombs?

I'm really curious as you write here with such authority.

Or are you just speculating and/or blowing smoke here?

Come to think of it - how many guys here on this board has actually gone and done a Catacombs gal. I only know of 2 or 3 max. guys that's actually gone and done it - whilst most would go there as some kind of perverse "tourist attraction" or pilgrimage whilst not actually going ahead and doin' a gal (me included!!).

Chocha - do you even know the dangers of even just walking about - in broad day light - the catacombs area? Especially if you're an easily identifiable foreigner?

SEAJ

The last time I was there (SEAJ can attest), we saw a guy, bleeding from the head profusely, being chased through the area by another guy with a brick in his hand. And, this was in broad daylight.

I will confess that I have done one catacombs girl in the past on a dare; "I will if you do" kind of thing. Would I repeat? No way!

I have taken many mongers through the area on tours. I only remember 2 guys that even considered going for it, both of which were adventurous foreigners out for the thrill. One of them found one girl to agree at 100 RMB but he refused and, one was rejected by all the girls that day.

Just my POV.

OAH

Bnlee2
10-09-09, 05:39
For me cheap pussy is free pussy. I'm not really into go into dark alleys or places like the catacomb where there are hundred or literally thousands of cockroaches in the same room with you. Thinking about it is just a bit much.

I love free pussy or low cost pussy. I love leaving my $$ in my wallet rather than theirs. There are so many horny housewives, lonely trophy gf/wives sitting around. I prefer to go after that market. These gals really appreciate when I give them a bit of affection they literally return more than you give.

These gals wants to be discreet and non clingy. Cleaner than any gals and treats you ten times better than you will find in the bbs or sauna.

OAH, I know in the past you said that you don't want to do this category but if you do a bit of background check, they are more reliable for a lay than the hit and miss at the bbs and KTV that you will run across. The one that are in the mid to late 30's looks atleast ten years younger than what their true age is. I rather have an all nighter with these horny housewives, trophy wives/gf or whatever in a nice hotel suite than in the back of the bbs or even a high end sauna. The best is that I really do not have to waste time and takes these wg out shopping. These gals have all already and most have more money than most of us.

I have been to the catacomb and really, if I did one, I would be so worry about catching some nasty virus just breathing the air and something that they may already have. The mileage on these young gals are just a bit to high for me.

Just my two rmb on cheap sex.

Cunning Linguist
10-09-09, 09:17
For me cheap pussy is free pussy. I'm not really into go into dark alleys or places like the catacomb where there are hundred or literally thousands of cockroaches in the same room with you. Thinking about it is just a bit much.

I love free pussy or low cost pussy. I love leaving my $$ in my wallet rather than theirs. There are so many horny housewives, lonely trophy gf/wives sitting around. I prefer to go after that market. These gals really appreciate when I give them a bit of affection they literally return more than you give.

These gals wants to be discreet and non clingy. Cleaner than any gals and treats you ten times better than you will find in the bbs or sauna.

OAH, I know in the past you said that you don't want to do this category but if you do a bit of background check, they are more reliable for a lay than the hit and miss at the bbs and KTV that you will run across. The one that are in the mid to late 30's looks atleast ten years younger than what their true age is. I rather have an all nighter with these horny housewives, trophy wives/gf or whatever in a nice hotel suite than in the back of the bbs or even a high end sauna. The best is that I really do not have to waste time and takes these wg out shopping. These gals have all already and most have more money than most of us.

I have been to the catacomb and really, if I did one, I would be so worry about catching some nasty virus just breathing the air and something that they may already have. The mileage on these young gals are just a bit to high for me.

Just my two rmb on cheap sex.


Hi, could you tell me where I could find such women? My drawbacks are that I am not a resident in China and will be visiting for only a two-week period next year. At least I speak acceptable Mandarin (A must since so very few Chinese actually speak English very well). Perhaps it is impossible for those of us who don't live there year round to find such women but then, again, maybe you could tell us. I am anxious to hear your suggestions and insight.

Cheers,

CL

Phil1980
10-09-09, 17:04
Chocha - do you even know the dangers of even just walking about - in broad day light - the catacombs area? Especially if you're an easily identifiable foreigner?



I think as long as you don't behave like an asshole there is very little danger for a White guy in any place at any time of day in China. I am one of the Whiteys who has been the victim of violence in bad places in China, but in both cases it was really my own fault. In one case I threatened a WG with a switchblade when she gave me bad service and was stabbed by her pimp in return, in the other case I started a stupid argument with a bunch of pimps, which turned out to be a mistake when they kicked my head in.

Just walking around without causing trouble I don't think any area in China will be really dangerous, even alone and in the middle of the night, unlike the US for example, where most Black parts of larger cities are basically no-go areas for other ethnic groups.

Asia Fan
10-09-09, 18:13
Hi

I'm the new one here so please be tolerance because of my (maybe stupid) questions as well as my not so good english.

According to the topic of my post I'd like to ask you guys about the possibility of STD receving in saunas (not BBS) during BBBJ. I do not ask about the FS because I'm only interested in CFC.

As I mention I am only interested in saunas because probably the risk is less than in the BBS. Im going to China in 2 weeks and stay there 10 days: 4 in ShenZhen (Century Kingdom hotel), 5 in Guangzhou (Ramada Pearl) and 1 in Hong Kong (Mariott Sky City).

Do You think the saunas in those places are rather safe or it is better not to risk and just go CBJ?

It is is not my first time in China but I only did very light things (FBSM and HJ) so I'd like to try something else.

Phil1980
10-09-09, 19:13
According to the topic of my post I'd like to ask you guys about the possibility of STD receving in saunas (not BBS) during BBBJ. I do not ask about the FS because I'm only interested in CFC.



What kind of serious STDs can you contract through BBBJ? To my knowledge not HIV nor Hepatitis B or C, Syphilis no, Chlamydia nope, Gonorrhea not that I know of, Chancroid highly unlikely, maybe genital herpes or mycosis, if you're immune deficient.

Asia Fan
10-09-09, 20:59
What kind of serious STDs can you contract through BBBJ? To my knowledge not HIV nor Hepatitis B or C, Syphilis no, Chlamydia nope, Gonorrhea not that I know of, Chancroid highly unlikely, maybe genital herpes or mycosis, if you're immune deficient.I've heard about the possibility of contracting Chlamydia, Gonorrehea NGU (whatever it is), Herpes and Syphilis.

CBJ is not a BJ of my dreams so BBBJ is really appreciated but I really would like to know about the risk. Hotels I will stay in are quite good ones so I ask You if I can expect in the saunas there to be more safe or it is only illusion.

OT: Of coures I'm interested in CFS not CFC.

Sam I Am
10-09-09, 21:22
What kind of serious STDs can you contract through BBBJ? To my knowledge not HIV nor Hepatitis B or C, Syphilis no, Chlamydia nope, Gonorrhea not that I know of, Chancroid highly unlikely, maybe genital herpes or mycosis, if you're immune deficient.

Chlamydia Yes, Gonorrhea Yes, Genital Herpes Yes, Syphilis Yes, HIV unlikely.

Asia Fan
10-09-09, 21:26
Chlamydia Yes, Gonorrhea Yes, Genital Herpes Yes, Syphilis Yes, HIV unlikely.Unfortunately you've confirmed my knowledge. So, I understand that the hotel saunas are not much more safety than BBS, right?

What to do? Stay with CBJ or even HJ only? That's poor. :-(

Chocha Monger
10-09-09, 22:30
SE Asia Joe and I are diametrically opposed when it comes to our views on China’s cheap pussy. Joe believes that this wonderful resource of cheap Chinese pussy should be protected from our other brothers on this board, and that only a select group of foreigners should be allowed to indulge. I reject this elitist don’t [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in my pond kind of stance. It is not in the spirit of ISG. In fact, if we were to all hoard information on where to find pussy this board would quickly cease to exist. The ISG charter promotes this free exchange of information for the finding and fucking of pussy all over the globe, China not excluded.

China is like a coy virgin who needs her pussy opened in order to fully reach her potential as a woman. Much as Nixon opened China in 1972, mongers need to open China’s cheap pussy market in this new millennium. All of this talk about the Chinese not wanting foreign mongers to visit is pure rubbish. If they didn’t want mongers there they’d simply deny them entry visas. The Chinese are practical people and they love money just as much as the other guy, maybe even more so. This crazy talk about authorities cracking down is nothing more than the rhetoric of a cabal of cheap pussy protectionist mongers who consider the Middle Kingdom to be their own private playground. I certainly hope that these gentlemen will cast aside their selfish impulses and realize that China has enough cheap pussy for everyone.

China’s government is busy at work trying to create jobs for an ever growing population. Employment is essential for the stability of the country and its government. China welcomes your mongering dollars as long as you behave as a good guest should. The authorities know everything that happens in the country. Nothing happens without the approval of the authorities and they receive a percentage of income from all economic enterprises including the sex industry. Mongering dollars have helped many Chinese young women to become relatively wealthy and return home to their villages as highly respected women. Don’t let the fear mongers scare you away from mongering in China.

Bnlee2
10-10-09, 01:43
Hi, could you tell me where I could find such women? My drawbacks are that I am not a resident in China and will be visiting for only a two-week period next year. At least I speak acceptable Mandarin (A must since so very few Chinese actually speak English very well). Perhaps it is impossible for those of us who don't live there year round to find such women but then, again, maybe you could tell us. I am anxious to hear your suggestions and insight.

Cheers,

CLCL

I also do not live in China year round. I travel to China five to six times a year attending meetings. I usually meet some of these lonely females attending social dinner functions. Usually accompanied their significant others in these functions. They are usually the one sitting there bored while their significant other is trying to do the "next deal of the century".

It is fairly easy, I start a conversation, I paid attention to them and at the same time gather some info on who their significant other are. If the guy is not a senior party member, senior PLA officer or some triad thug, then I proceed the next step in knowing them a bit better, maybe a innocent lunch and whatever. The age group is late 20's to early 40's with the chance of hooking up better as the age increase. As you know, most asian women looks atleast ten years younger than their western counterpart. I just had one earlier this year gave me a $15, 000 (yes, a real vacheron)watch as a birthday gift. All I has given her a bit of attention. Usually M. O. For this one is spend several evening with her in hotel suite with her paying for all the cost. She just wants some TLC from a man. Nothing much. I rate her a 8.5 on a scale of 10.

These are the females that wants to be discreet and very lonely and quite horny.

Btw, yes, I'm an ABC and my mandarin really sucks.

PM me and I will go into more detail.

Cloud Palms
10-10-09, 01:54
SE Asia Joe and I are diametrically opposed when it comes to our views on China’s cheap pussy. Joe believes that this wonderful resource of cheap Chinese pussy should be protected from our other brothers on this board, and that only a select group of foreigners should be allowed to indulge. I reject this elitist don’t [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in my pond kind of stance. It is not in the spirit of ISG. In fact, if we were to all hoard information on where to find pussy this board would quickly cease to exist. The ISG charter promotes this free exchange of information for the finding and fucking of pussy all over the globe, China not excluded.

China is like a coy virgin who needs her pussy opened in order to fully reach her potential as a woman. Much as Nixon opened China in 1972, mongers need to open China’s cheap pussy market in this new millennium. All of this talk about the Chinese not wanting foreign mongers to visit is pure rubbish. If they didn’t want mongers there they’d simply deny them entry visas. The Chinese are practical people and they love money just as much as the other guy, maybe even more so. This crazy talk about authorities cracking down is nothing more than the rhetoric of a cabal of cheap pussy protectionist mongers who consider the Middle Kingdom to be their own private playground. I certainly hope that these gentlemen will cast aside their selfish impulses and realize that China has enough cheap pussy for everyone.

China’s government is busy at work trying to create jobs for an ever growing population. Employment is essential for the stability of the country and its government. China welcomes your mongering dollars as long as you behave as a good guest should. The authorities know everything that happens in the country. Nothing happens without the approval of the authorities and they receive a percentage of income from all economic enterprises including the sex industry. Mongering dollars have helped many Chinese young women to become relatively wealthy and return home to their villages as highly respected women. Don’t let the fear mongers scare you away from mongering in China.

SE Asia Joe is trying to advise not all but a certain group of Westerners. This is a group that thinks they are basically better than Chinese people and think that they are there to always cater to them, making their goods, doing their grunt work and hopefully one day assimilate into Western culture. Again not all Westerners but a pretty large group. You know...the guys that demand everyone speak English or want to watch NFL at a bar. Or even better where the nearest strip club is at. And of course the group that thinks only they can "satisfy" Asian women as if they are gods gift to them, disrespecting everything that her culture stands for. Your entire post reeks of that.

If you are in that group then its really recommended you travel to Phillipines or Thailand in Asia as they are more catered towards the Western monger. Those are areas that speak English and really look up to Americans so youll have a better time there thats all. China is not like that at all and if a Western monger in the group I described above, either a BSD or a low-budget monger, they will most likely run into all sorts of trouble from both the women, men and authorities.

Chocha Monger
10-10-09, 03:15
SE Asia Joe is trying to advise not all but a certain group of Westerners. This is a group that thinks they are basically better than Chinese people and think that they are there to always cater to them, making their goods, doing their grunt work and hopefully one day assimilate into Western culture. Again not all Westerners but a pretty large group. You know...the guys that demand everyone speak English or want to watch NFL at a bar. Or even better where the nearest strip club is at. And of course the group that thinks only they can "satisfy" Asian women as if they are gods gift to them, disrespecting everything that her culture stands for. Your entire post reeks of that.

If you are in that group then its really recommended you travel to Phillipines or Thailand in Asia as they are more catered towards the Western monger. Those are areas that speak English and really look up to Americans so youll have a better time there thats all. China is not like that at all and if a Western monger in the group I described above, either a BSD or a low-budget monger, they will most likely run into all sorts of trouble from both the women, men and authorities.
Cloud Palms,
What part of "good guest" did you not understand in my post? You've got me twisted and make incorrect assumptions on all accounts. In my travels I certainly don't expect the Chinese or anyone else to speak English; I don't much care for football; I prefer not to identify myself as an American when I travel; I see the Chinese as equals not servants; I certainly don't want the Chinese to assimilate into Western culture I can just stay home and deal with the dragon women at home if I wanted that; and I made no claims about being able to satisfy Asian women better than others. I find your accusations unwarranted and unfounded.

AsnDragon
10-10-09, 03:35
I agree with Cloud Palms on many points. Although China is expericing widespread increases of WG coming out in all provinces within China, it is important to note that China is NOT like other South East Asian countries that openly cater to foreigners' sexual needs and sex tourism.

There is a study that Thailand's sex industry accounts for more than 10% of the country's GDP. Phillipines is similar, but probably not at that level yet. The point of the matter is many of these South East Asian countries rely heavily on foreign mongers coming in to spend and prop up their sex industry and in essence their economy. Mostly because these countries are struggling to stimulate their economy, due to political and social unrest within their country. They not only welcome, but are desperate for foreign cash infusion in their tourism sector and/or economy.

However, China is a completely different monster. China is experiencing extreme domestic growth. A WG in China could service all the domestic Chinese mongers and they would be booked throughout the year. China does not rely as much on foreign tourism as other popular South East Asian countries. Yes China still does need huge amounts of foreign inventment capital into their country to sustain increased growths, but that money is not for investment in the sex industry, that's for infrastucture, manufacturing R&D, real estate banking and finance. With the amount of foreign investment in so many legitimate areas of the economy (China having year on year increases of direct foreign investment), why would they need to open up their sex industry to foreign mongers to increase any sort of domestic economic activities? The bottom line is, their economy is going to overtake the US in about a decade or so, whatever they are doing is working just fine so far- so why on earth will they need to accept foreign mongers into their country to stimulate anything at all?

In addition, China has a image to uphold, and will not tolerate any embarassement or bad image that the foreign world will bestow upon them due to rampant sexual activities and exploits. Therefore, China will never become like other sex spots like thailand, Phillipines or cambodia, because China has enough properity to spread around to their people, and they have more pride in their culture and identity than other countries previously discussed. As the western world is viewed as being outdated and in a permanent state of recession- economically, China will increase their social and cultural pride. This is not to say that they will not imbue more western type of thinking or absorb more western style of pop culture inot their society. But, China will and shall retain its cultural identity and environment, and foreign mongers who come in thinking that they own the whole entire world will be sorely mistaken if they think they can get away with any pompous behaviors and/or actions.

China has had a history of keeping to themselves. Even in terms of the mongering scene, the government will periodically crackdown on these types of activities once in a while to keep things in a balance and in check. Mongering activities will never be overly apparent, flamboyant and in your face type of venues like what you see in Pattaya. I would advise all foreign mongers to be careful when coming to China, be respectful and play by the rules and things will go well. But if you become overly rambunctious and try to cause trouble you will suffer grave consequences. China government has ways of taking matters to their own hands. This can be seen in Phil1980's posts in regards to what happened to him in two events where he acted out of line and was in turn stabbed and also got his head kicked in as a result. I hope we can learn from his lessons and all be respectful to all the WG in China. Afterall, this IS China.

AsnDragon


SE Asia Joe is trying to advise not all but a certain group of Westerners. This is a group that thinks they are basically better than Chinese people and think that they are there to always cater to them, making their goods, doing their grunt work and hopefully one day assimilate into Western culture. Again not all Westerners but a pretty large group. You know...the guys that demand everyone speak English or want to watch NFL at a bar. Or even better where the nearest strip club is at. And of course the group that thinks only they can "satisfy" Asian women as if they are gods gift to them, disrespecting everything that her culture stands for. Your entire post reeks of that.

If you are in that group then its really recommended you travel to Phillipines or Thailand in Asia as they are more catered towards the Western monger. Those are areas that speak English and really look up to Americans so youll have a better time there thats all. China is not like that at all and if a Western monger in the group I described above, either a BSD or a low-budget monger, they will most likely run into all sorts of trouble from both the women, men and authorities.

Meiguoguizi
10-10-09, 03:59
Any experienced western monger in China recognizes that his 'patronage' is, at best, politely tolerated.
Unlike in other globalized markets, China has adequate domestic demand for it's 'young women entertainment industry'.
Additionally, there is an elaborate and enculturated process by which this industry is managed by the political and social elites. Extramarital and premarital sexual activity by fathers and husbands and sons is neither transparent nor discussed, but widely known and tacitly accepted. Chinese men have a particularly sweet set-up, perhaps unmatched in the developed world, and they recognize that it is a fragile bargain.
Throw several hundred drunk loud culturally ignorant Westerners into this peculiarly Chinese sexual delivery system in any city in China and everyone loses. Witness the disastrous Japanese experience in Zhuhai several years ago. It wasn't what they did, rather it was who they were and how they did it.
Every culture has ingrained resistance to foreign access to it's women, based on generations of racial and tribal determinism. China's ancient mixture of nationalism and racial identity is a particularly powerful force, not comparable to Thailand or the Philippines or other sex tourism locales.
As SEAJ suggests, it is in the Western monger's own best interest to respect the Chinese system by leaving as small a 'footprint' as possible.

Lustforthrust
10-10-09, 05:52
In addition to what OAH has stated that the lack of English (Roman script) and visa requirements that deter sex-tourists, many are put off by reports and perception that Chinese are "star-fish" in bed, that they are flat-assed, sunken-chests and unhygenic.

All this brouhaha about the Chinese govt. and the newly great, extremely patriotic Chinese people not wanting to be known as a sex-tourist destination is just that, brouhaha.
No govt. in the world is going to promote itself as a sex-tourist destination, same as the PRC.

Granted, most plump expat packages in China are a thing of the past, but there are plenty of young White guys from all over the world teaching English, making less than 5,000/m who are there primarily for 1 thing, cheap pussy. The 10 year-old "experience the culture" mantra is wearing thin these days.

Then there are the those that put in the long hours, kiss a lot of ass, do whatever it takes to be sent to Shekou. All that for cheap pussy.

The compatriots from Taiwan, shacked up in Dongguan, broke, ducking & diving from their creditors, hoping to snare another Taiwanese to do a Joint Venture into yet another failing business. Do they count as patrons of cheap pussy, guess you have to be White, to qualify?

And finally, the ABCs, BBCs, CBCs and other "overseas Chinese" (yesterday I met a Norwegian born Chinese, what's this world coming to ;)) always on the fence, the also-rans for cheap pussy.

I went through a phase of cheap pussy in Shenzhen for the thrill of it. The sleaze factor (1/10) and the danger factor (4/10) wasn't enough to keep me going.

OldAsiaHand
10-10-09, 06:33
Any experienced western monger in China recognizes that his 'patronage' is, at best, politely tolerated.
Unlike in other globalized markets, China has adequate domestic demand for it's 'young women entertainment industry'.
Additionally, there is an elaborate and enculturated process by which this industry is managed by the political and social elites. Extramarital and premarital sexual activity by fathers and husbands and sons is neither transparent nor discussed, but widely known and tacitly accepted. Chinese men have a particularly sweet set-up, perhaps unmatched in the developed world, and they recognize that it is a fragile bargain.
Throw several hundred drunk loud culturally ignorant Westerners into this peculiarly Chinese sexual delivery system in any city in China and everyone loses. Witness the disastrous Japanese experience in Zhuhai several years ago. It wasn't what they did, rather it was who they were and how they did it.
Every culture has ingrained resistance to foreign access to it's women, based on generations of racial and tribal determinism. China's ancient mixture of nationalism and racial identity is a particularly powerful force, not comparable to Thailand or the Philippines or other sex tourism locales.
As SEAJ suggests, it is in the Western monger's own best interest to respect the Chinese system by leaving as small a 'footprint' as possible.


IMHO, this post captures the essence of it. We are tolerated provided we play by the local rules of mongering. There are several examples:

1) Local punters don't like us doing the girls. Many times a BBS owner will rush me to select a girl because she is afraid that some of her local customers will find out her girls do foreigners and she will lose business. I've been in a situation where I've overheard drunken locals complaining about it verbally. I left quickly to avoid the potential of physical harm.

2) At least 30% of all Chinese WGs refuse to do foreigners period. At a recent KTV party in CP, I saw one girl turn down a young, handsome laowai that spoke Chinese fluently. She sat with him in the KTV room, but refused to go out.

3) We are known to pay a bit more so they can justify providing service for us in exchange for extra money they can get. Most of the time, they completely refuse at the local price.

4) We stick out like sore thumbs when we visit the local mongering venues. Especially if they are BBS in small villages where local residents share the neighborhood. It calls attention to the action and can lead to eradication of the shops when neighbors complain. I love to roam and window shop but I can remember being told by LE in Shenzhen once that I should just go in, do my business and leave the area quickly. He explained that if a foreigner gets into trouble it is a pain in the ass for him so he prefers that foreigners just stay away. There was another case in SZ where a couple of foreign mongers were threatened by local punters through a HK guy translating. They were told that the area was exclusive for Chinese mongers and that they were not welcome.

And the list goes on...

As was well pointed out in the above post, they just don't need our business. That said, foreigners can get service if they stick to the normal channels, KTV, Saunas, Escorts. Select the girls that smile or joke with you and appear more comfortable. Use the intitial 10 minutes to assess the situation. This will lead to better service anyway since the girls are more willing.

My advice is to stay away from the cheap, local action. Frankly, the service is terrible anyway and the places and girls are dirty and dangerous.

Just my POV.


OAH

SE Asia Joe
10-10-09, 08:07
First off chocha, I certainly do not want to get into a pissing contest with you, but certain things you state, IMHO, needs to be replied to as what you espouse -again IMHO - are NOT accurate as of this writing and is an actual disservice/will actually be dangerous to guys on this board who are trying to find accurate information.

You post all over the ISG boards, writing your "beliefs" for one and all locations, that I am not certain if you even actually and really know what the situation is at a particular location, and the state of play things are at the present moment - and in particular - China.

You've not repleid as to if you even been to the Catacombs - or even similar locations - and yet you're telling one and all to go there. When were you even last in China? Please do tell us and then we all here can determine for ourselves whether you are blolowing smoke or actually ARE an authority as you would seem to like for one and all to know you as being
SE Asia Joe and I are diametrically opposed when it comes to our views on China’s cheap pussy. Joe believes that this wonderful resource of cheap Chinese pussy should be protected from our other brothers on this board, and that only a select group of foreigners should be allowed to indulge. I reject this elitist don’t [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in my pond kind of stance. It is not in the spirit of ISG. In fact, if we were to all hoard information on where to find pussy this board would quickly cease to exist. The ISG charter promotes this free exchange of information for the finding and fucking of pussy all over the globe, China not excluded.
I never said that we should not share our knowledge on what is available, do-able AND safe for the Foreign mongers. What I am totally against is the dissemination of the totally wrong information that ultra cheap mongering - and by that I mean those like at the catacombs and at similar places - is available ANd should be "broken into" by the foreign mongers as you're trying to champion. Hell, why don't you tell us YOUR own brave spear heading ventures into these areas FIRST before you send some clueless and misinformed by Chocha monger into the actual dangers that I am writing about?


China is like a coy virgin who needs her pussy opened in order to fully reach her potential as a woman. Much as Nixon opened China in 1972, mongers need to open China’s cheap pussy market in this new millennium. All of this talk about the Chinese not wanting foreign mongers to visit is pure rubbish. If they didn’t want mongers there they’d simply deny them entry visas. The Chinese are practical people and they love money just as much as the other guy, maybe even more so. This crazy talk about authorities cracking down is nothing more than the rhetoric of a cabal of cheap pussy protectionist mongers who consider the Middle Kingdom to be their own private playground. I certainly hope that these gentlemen will cast aside their selfish impulses and realize that China has enough cheap pussy for everyone. This particular paragraph plainly to me/IMHO shows how little you really actually know about China TODAY. This may have been true years ago - when China had little knowledge and experience about how to properly handle the oldest trade in the world. You talk about 1972 and I'd rather suspect that your knowledge about the mongering situation in China probably goes back close to that era! Yes, we as a nation do love money, and yes we ARE open to the foreign investors and professionals - but to Welcome and court foreign mongers?? And as per your suggestion that China would want to be known as a Cheap Sex destination?? OMIGAWD - how imperialistic your outlook still remains. This is 2009 Chocha, and it's not what you know about it from "your days!!"



China’s government is busy at work trying to create jobs for an ever growing population. Employment is essential for the stability of the country and its government. China welcomes your mongering dollars as long as you behave as a good guest should. The authorities know everything that happens in the country. Nothing happens without the approval of the authorities and they receive a percentage of income from all economic enterprises including the sex industry. Mongering dollars have helped many Chinese young women to become relatively wealthy and return home to their villages as highly respected women. Don’t let the fear mongers scare you away from mongering in China.
Sorry to blow your Imperialistic mind set again -but China does NOT welcome your mongering dollars. China knows that prostitution is an evil and unwanted (by the powers that be) feature of their society, but they also realize that it's unrealistic to expect that such a thing can be or should be totally suppressed - but this is ONLY to give leeway to THEIR OWN POPULACE; it is certainly not to cater to the foreign mongers.

I'd venture to state that at least 97% of the total mongering dollars spent in China is via us Chinese ourselves for unfortunately, it is NOT possible to stop the foreigners from also accessing and availing themselves of the services. And they certainly do NOT want to tout or advertise China as a mongering destination.

What I am saying is that yes, prostitution in China is here, but it certainly is NOT something that the Chinese Government AND the Chinese people are proud of. And for you to suggest otherwise, and that us here - one and all -should come over and "Open Up" China is not only nutso, but will actually put a lot of mongers into danger.

Like I said, I do NOT want a pissing contest with you or any one on this board. But what you are saying is an arrow across my prow that I cannot AND will not ignore.

SEAJ

South Gate
10-10-09, 08:57
I am a very lucky guy in that my Chinese gf allows and enjoys sharing me with other girls. We used to belong to a swing club in BJ but now live elsewhere and are looking for couples, ladies, but not single guys. I do visit p4p girls and she knows it and I have posted on these boards but that is not what she wants. Any ideas? Any couples out there who want to share some fun with us?

Fran123
10-10-09, 11:11
--cut--
Throw several hundred drunk loud culturally ignorant Westerners into this peculiarly Chinese sexual delivery system in any city in China and everyone loses. Witness the disastrous Japanese experience in Zhuhai several years ago. It wasn't what they did, rather it was who they were and how they did it.
Every culture has ingrained resistance to foreign access to it's women, based on generations of racial and tribal determinism. China's ancient mixture of nationalism and racial identity is a particularly powerful force, not comparable to Thailand or the Philippines or other sex tourism locales.
As SEAJ suggests, it is in the Western monger's own best interest to respect the Chinese system by leaving as small a 'footprint' as possible.

I was at the Miraton Lobby in Chang Ping two months ago. I was listening to three western guys bragging to each other about what they did with their girls the previous night, everything in detail. They did NOT care about who was listening. It was like hearing them treat Chinese as a lower case of people. It also happened at Starbucks. Two guys were taking about their sexual adventures in CP. I believe maybe 90% of the foreigners ( guys ) come to CP for sex. When you are in China as a foreigner you should be as quiet and discreet as possible looking for sex.

I have heard in Thailand there are thousands of foreigners. They think they own the place and above the law. Many of the foreigners in Thailand are obnoxious and rude to the locals. They disrespect the local, their custom and culture. Most locals try to tolerate them because they need their spending money.

One of my Chinese friends told me he tried to go into a few bars in Thailand. He said lot of girls were in the bars and he was not allowed in or welcomed. The owners of the bar were foreigners.

I know almost everyone in CP talks about sex in the open but it’s a little different when some foreigners come into town. It's like when the Japanese economic in the 70’s was strong and many were coming over to Canada and the USA. Many picked up prostitutes off the street and there were sex tours to places like the Mustang Ranch. Things were cheap to them. Many brought Real Estate in Hawaii the West Coast and Canada. The locals did not like them and there was a strong resentment towards the Japanese. There were a few stories of robberies of Japanese tourist.

If the situation becomes worst with hundreds of western foreigners looking for sex in China, the government will shutdown the place. They definitely do not want China to be known as another sex capital or destination like Thailand. Just look at the Olympics and the 60th Anniversary how China cracked down many places.

Pictures of foreigners at the Miraton talking about sex in the open. I have better pictures of them but I will not post them.

Jaycynic
10-10-09, 15:48
For what it is worth, I tend to dislike people who travel places to get the cheapest sex they can get. Sex for money. Oh absolutely, I'm with you on that, and have a rather sex positive attitude.

For me, sex "tourism" is about shortening the time needed to bridge the cultural gap, become friends etc through the application of an adequate monetary compensation. If I'm on a business trip, I just don't have several evenings for several weeks free to organize something myself, and same goes for vacations.

I like the red light districts of the world and find them attractive, but at the end of the day, I'd rather get quality (beauty, enthusiastic service, a chat I don't get an headache from) rather than cheap quantity.

(I'm sure these services exist in China too, but I've not been very successful at finding them yet. Prague, India, or even the US seem more forthcoming.)

But I can understand that any country dislikes it if people come there seeing only the lower-price tag on pussy, tits, and ass. It also means that the beautiful WGs with a positive attitude leave, because they can get better income if they go to work in Europe, for example.

But I guess, to each their own.

Phil1980
10-10-09, 17:36
Pictures of foreigners at the Miraton talking about sex in the open


LOL, WTF...

Member #2924
10-10-09, 21:58
Pictures of foreigners at the Miraton talking about sex in the openI can see the new contradictory argumentative topic already brewing: the outrage of posting photos of mongers while meanwhile allowing the posting photos of girls with their faces showing. Plus all the different permutations that can be derived from this topic.

LOL

Chocha Monger
10-10-09, 23:03
SE Asia Joe:

I just love it when people start off with statements like
First off chocha, I certainly do not want to get into a pissing contest with you, but... then proceed to break my balls. You wonder why I don't respond to your post? Read your post and you'll see the condescending and frankly insulting nature of it. Would you respond to that? If I were to respond to such a post then it would certainly evolve into a full blown pissing match about whose credentials were better for commenting on China mongering and haunts like the Catacombs of Dongguan. Renowned sport-fucker and ISG Senior Member Lustforthrust shared views similar to mine. Yet, I was the victim of unbridled attacks attributing bigotry and other unsavory qualities to my person. Things even went so far as to your questioning my right to post where I please on ISG. I don't recall ever being such an ungracious host to you on the Nicaragua thread. Sure I made a few smart ass jokes about your large wise penis and your former sweetheart on the China Women thread. I did so in jest and with no ill intent. If you can't take a joke I apologize.

I've seen where these pissing matches can lead. In one instance an infamous bareback China monger had his true identity and personal details revealed. As far as I am concerned mongering is about fun, sharing information and the brotherhood of men. When goodwill no longer exists and acrimony and territorial behavior sets in it is no longer worth the trouble. On my part this is the end of this matter. And that's all I have to say about that.

Ira Johnson
10-11-09, 02:13
On my part this is the end of this matter. And that's all I have to say about that.

I'd be lying if I said I did not feel some weird voyeuristic glee witnessing back-and-forth battles like this, but now I feel a bit ashamed...


As far as I am concerned mongering is about fun, sharing information and the brotherhood of men.

I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong. In truth, I have gleaned far more information from SEAJ's posts than from CM's, and if you run the numbers of course SEAJ has 'seniority.' However, I think Chocha is right that perhaps it is time to nip this feud in the bud.


I've seen where these pissing matches can lead. In one instance an infamous bareback China monger had his true identity and personal details revealed.

Well, that's not me, but it did happen to me too. An off-forum dispute with a brother here led to a fury-filled post here containing damaging details that could have compromised me. However, we quickly agreed to remember the purpose of this forum and together we undid the damage. Today I have a good friend in that fellow monger.

Bury the hatchet, guys. Still, keep posting conflicting information and opinions - that's awesome and helps everyone get a clearer picture.

But who the hell am I to say with my measly number of posts, many of which are self serving? Time to crawl back into my hole...

OldAsiaHand
10-11-09, 03:07
Choca Monger,

Have you ever been to CP and the catacombs? Have you ever mongered in China at all?

OAH

Chocha Monger
10-11-09, 03:32
Choca Monger,

Have you ever been to CP and the catacombs? Have you ever mongered in China at all?

OAH
OAH, just for you I'm going to answer this question. Yes.

Zhuren
10-11-09, 04:29
Folks, you should know that the “Cheap sex in China” thread had been opened by Jackson because the cheap sex in China posts had gotten out of hand and needed a controlled area. Now the whole non-thread is getting out of hand.

Some comments:

Statements such as “China’s pussy needs to be opened” are disrespectful, rude, and stupid. Beijing alone has some 200,000 SW. There is no need for outsiders to deflower any coy virgins. Such posts reek of ignorance.

As for the visas being denied: They are if you overdo it. We’ve had people turned away at the airport who had a visa. We’ve seen guys getting arrested when boarding domestic flights in the company of obvious WGs. Be discreet, you won’t be bothered. Be rude and loutish, and they’ll find a reason to shut you up.

As for the foreign currency: Ignorance rears its stupid head. China has a vast foreign currency surplus, China doesn’t need foreign monger money. Especially not from folks who insist on cheap sex in China.

As for the access to the cheap places: They are there. No secret where they are. Access them if you dare. Just don’t complain afterwards about the filth. China doesn’t want them as a tourist attraction. China also doesn’t want bible-thumping NGOs make noises about trafficking etc.


If something attracts too much – especially foreign – attention, it will be shut down. ISG was blocked in China after it was written up in an expat blog that was copied again and again. Maggie’s was shuttered after it made some American (and HK) papers.

The people who live here are rightly concerned that the same may happen to their haunts if they get mobbed by loud and rude hordes.

Now please stop it. Go forth and sin some more. Quietly.

SE Asia Joe
10-11-09, 04:56
as i said previously, you've shot the arrows accross my prow that i cannot and will not ignore.
you are either the authoritative figure on all things mongering at all the many locations you write about that you are painting a picture of your self as being - or you are just another armchair pundit, living vicariously writing imagined trysts and adventrures.

but you are not only writing about your adventures, you are giving out suppossedly wise and sage advise on isg which is not only totally wrong - but indeed is quite dangerous. and then telling the unsuspecting monger to go right ahead and do it and then..... cap it all off with declaring those of us who are trying to warn of the dangers etc as being a bunch of selfish and elitist group of guys eager to just keep everybody else away from our own little play-heaven.

chocha, you do have a way with your words and i see that you really do know how to use those words to shed a favorable light on your views - but what i am questioning are just straight out facts and what precisely is your agenda in spouting off these dangerous untruths.; so please, do refrain from using these words to obfurep001e and confuse the issue.

se asia joe:

i just love it when people start off with statements like then proceed to break my balls. you wonder why i don't respond to your post? read your post and you'll see the condescending and frankly insulting nature of it. would you respond to that? if i were to respond to such a post then it would certainly evolve into a full blown pissing match about whose credentials were better for commenting on china mongering and haunts like the catacombs of dongguan. renowned sport-fucker and isg senior member lustforthrust shared views similar to mine. yet, i was the victim of unbridled attacks attributing bigotry and other unsavory qualities to my person. things even went so far as to your questioning my right to post where i please on isg. i don't recall ever being such an ungracious host to you on the nicaragua thread. sure i made a few smart ass jokes about your large wise penis and your former sweetheart on the china women thread. i did so in jest and with no ill intent. if you can't take a joke i apologize.
instead of just addressing the question, you are going off another tangent to draw attention away from it. what has "personalities" - yours, mine, lustforthrust, another senior member etc got anything to do with what we're discusssing??!

i am not trying to be condescending or insulting - all i am trying to do is to point out the truth of the state of play about sex in china and away from your wrong, imperialisitc and dangerous views. but if i was a bit strident, then i equally apologize - but i feel it a duty for all of us on isg to write only truths that can be shared and shared in safety - and thus our duty to debunk dangerous myths as you've been writing about.



i've seen where these pissing matches can lead. in one instance an infamous bareback china monger had his true identity and personal details revealed. as far as i am concerned mongering is about fun, sharing information and the brotherhood of men. when goodwill no longer exists and acrimony and territorial behavior sets in it is no longer worth the trouble. on my part this is the end of this matter. and that's all i have to say about that.
again you're trying to draw attention away from the issue by writing about "bare-back monger" and about pissing contests.

and as for a pissing contest, as far as i am concerned, i am merely trying to debunk the myths and dangerous untruths you're espousing - but you are framing the whole discussion in the context of my trying to get into a pissing contest. how inventive!! how convenient - but how insiduous!

and again i apologize, but this can not be the end of the story as you conveniently write here.

not if you then come up with your one word reply to oah "yes" - when there were 3 questions - been to chang ping? been to the catacombs? you ever mongered in china? like i said, you really have got a way with your words - and in this case a classic one word which self-servingly conveyed your credentials. my hat's off to you!! really great writing! but, which means nothing upon closer inspection.

so which is it chocha - are you just arm chair pundit eager to stir up problems in all the varied and many threads you post on - or are you really the authoritative figure you paint a picture of yourself as being?

and in our context about china, please do respond - as a normal question/answer, back/forth and not as a piossing context as you'd like to turn this discussion into - the following questions.
and i'll even number my question as to make it clear that i - and i think most of us here needs to know
1. when was the last time you been in china on a mongering mission?
2. have you actually been to the catacombs?
3. are you a real monger or just an armchair pundit?

seaj

Phil1980
10-11-09, 12:36
BTW, I am having trouble accessing the Dongguan section of this forum after giving some Henry Lee Lucas type advice, I'm curious if this block is caused by Jackson or by some Chinese officials (even though I'm not in China at present). If you're working for the Chinese government, please go f*ck yourself, if you're Jackson, how about a PM to me about the whole issue.

Dash
10-12-09, 08:23
Not to feed the flames, but my impression of China is hooking is a way of life, and so when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Fuck any girl that you can, let her taste some caucasian, the "other white meat". I'm not an expert, my fleeting experiences were fun, but they employ hookers in the finest hotels in China. The government surely doesn't give a shit about it, or it would stop. I won't learn Mandarin soon, so I'll have to pay the higher prices if I go again. Now, if they could just do something about that long plane flight over there....

SE Asia Joe
10-12-09, 10:47
Not to feed the flames, but my impression of China is hooking is a way of life, and so when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Fuck any girl that you can, let her taste some caucasian, the "other white meat". I'm not an expert, my fleeting experiences were fun, but they employ hookers in the finest hotels in China. The government surely doesn't give a shit about it, or it would stop. I won't learn Mandarin soon, so I'll have to pay the higher prices if I go again. Now, if they could just do something about that long plane flight over there....
Oh Jeeesuz!!!

YOu ARE feeding the flames!! MINE!!

Coz what you write is precisely what I am talking about. Come to China, THINK you've got the lay of the land (especially after you read total mis-information and stupid armchair "Opinions" writers who think they really are experts about China's mongering scene). Go out all cocky, thinking that all them Chinese pussies are enthralled by you and just awaiting for "White meat." And then thinking that the Chinese Government and the Chinese people are soooooooo.... enamored of your foreign $$$ that they'll bend over backwards to accomodate.

Friend - you've got a lot to learn - I hope NOT at some Chinese jail or at the end of some Chinese knife/brick.

Sighhhhhh.....

SEAJ

Mmlouie
10-12-09, 17:36
Not to feed the flames, but my impression of China is hooking is a way of life, and so when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Fuck any girl that you can, let her taste some caucasian, the "other white meat". I'm not an expert, my fleeting experiences were fun, but they employ hookers in the finest hotels in China. The government surely doesn't give a shit about it, or it would stop. I won't learn Mandarin soon, so I'll have to pay the higher prices if I go again. Now, if they could just do something about that long plane flight over there....
Just simply amazing . . . and I am dumbfounded!

Mmlouie

Traveler1234
10-12-09, 18:28
If something attracts too much – especially foreign – attention, it will be shut down. ISG was blocked in China after it was written up in an expat blog that was copied again and again......The people who live here are rightly concerned that the same may happen to their haunts if they get mobbed by loud and rude hordes....Now please stop it. Go forth and sin some more. Quietly.

Pearls of wisdom to those flaunting their big dicks - both on-line and off-line.

Dash
10-12-09, 21:51
Oh Jeeesuz!!!

YOu ARE feeding the flames!! MINE!!

Coz what you write is precisely what I am talking about. Come to China, THINK you've got the lay of the land (especially after you read total mis-information and stupid armchair "Opinions" writers who think they really are experts about China's mongering scene). Go out all cocky, thinking that all them Chinese pussies are enthralled by you and just awaiting for "White meat." And then thinking that the Chinese Government and the Chinese people are soooooooo.... enamored of your foreign $$$ that they'll bend over backwards to accomodate.

Friend - you've got a lot to learn - I hope NOT at some Chinese jail or at the end of some Chinese knife/brick.

Sighhhhhh.....

SEAJ
I see that you infer more from my post than I ever wrote. I never even read the forum about China before I went there. I found out that it's easy to buy pussy in China. I didn't brag about it, I realize that looks never matter to a hooker, just money. Because I am white, I can joke about "the other white meat." I do not think that the Chinese government wants to bend over to accomodate foreigners. Quite the contrary, I think it wants to fuck me over if given the opportunity. But, I believe that the tradition in China of sex for money is ingrained there. For us American Puritans, it's a paradise.
I don't have to go out "all cocky", I was just taking a stroll from the Grand Hyatt and a tart grabbed my arm, and I was fucking her minutes later. I was actually looking to take pictures. But, maybe it really IS my looks? haha.

South Gate
10-12-09, 23:45
I agree with Zhuren. This conversation is too loud, too out of line, uninformative and rude. The purpose of this thread is to help us identify inexpensive women not to brag and scream. Now along those lines, lets compare the KTVs, BBSs, saunas, SWs in different towns.

KTV BBS Sauna SWs
Beijing
Shanghai
Dong Guan
Kunming 600 150 400 300

Lets be constructive, not destructive.

Chocha Monger
10-13-09, 00:36
http://jenseyatvajameh.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/china.pdf

Lustforthrust
10-13-09, 06:39
Some ethnic Chinese are mad that Chinese are spreading their legs for 100 kuai. It was ok 10 years ago, but not since the Olympics, the G20 and especially since the parade for the 60th.

Weelock
10-13-09, 09:05
Wow, this is one of the few times I agree with 99% of your comments Zhuren. Chocha Monger has no knowledge about China's economy, culture and people. LIke OAH said, he might have never been to China or to Chang Ping.

Western foreigner mongers that are in China are highly educated. Majority are on business and are in China for long periods of time for work. Unlike the rowdy mostly uneducated, occasional tourist in Thailand.



Some comments:

Statements such as “China’s pussy needs to be opened” are disrespectful, rude, and stupid. Beijing alone has some 200,000 SW. There is no need for outsiders to deflower any coy virgins. Such posts reek of ignorance.

You are right...



As for the visas being denied: They are if you overdo it. We’ve had people turned away at the airport who had a visa. We’ve seen guys getting arrested when boarding domestic flights in the company of obvious WGs. Be discreet, you won’t be bothered. Be rude and loutish, and they’ll find a reason to shut you up.

Be as quiet and low key as possible. Do not show boat, or brag about your girl in the open.



As for the foreign currency: Ignorance rears its stupid head. China has a vast foreign currency surplus, China doesn’t need foreign monger money. Especially not from folks who insist on cheap sex in China.

Corrected about the currency surplus. China is buying large amounts of bonds from the USA. They are financing the USA budget deficit. China doesn't need western monger dollars.

China's economy is now 4th or 5th in the world. Their problem is, there is a large gap between the rich and the poor.



As for the access to the cheap places: They are there. No secret where they are. Access them if you dare. Just don’t complain afterwards about the filth. China doesn’t want them as a tourist attraction. China also doesn’t want bible-thumping NGOs make noises about trafficking etc.

There are places for 40RMB but along with the filth, many, many have STD and are used up. Many places have no air-conditioning or heat in the room. You might see rats or roaches running around. It is not the best romantic environment for sex. Many are not safe places either. You might have 3 or 4 guys waiting for you at the end.

If you have enough money to travel to China and for a visa, you can afford to get better quality.






If something attracts too much – especially foreign – attention, it will be shut down. ISG was blocked in China after it was written up in an expat blog that was copied again and again. Maggie’s was shuttered after it made some American (and HK) papers.

The people who live here are rightly concerned that the same may happen to their haunts if they get mobbed by loud and rude hordes.

Absolutely correct. What will happen if thousands of Western foreigners coming to China for sex like Thailand.

Chocha Monger
10-13-09, 09:24
I see that you infer more from my post than I ever wrote. I never even read the forum about China before I went there. I found out that it's easy to buy pussy in China. I didn't brag about it, I realize that looks never matter to a hooker, just money. Because I am white, I can joke about "the other white meat." I do not think that the Chinese government wants to bend over to accomodate foreigners. Quite the contrary, I think it wants to fuck me over if given the opportunity. But, I believe that the tradition in China of sex for money is ingrained there. For us American Puritans, it's a paradise.
I don't have to go out "all cocky", I was just taking a stroll from the Grand Hyatt and a tart grabbed my arm, and I was fucking her minutes later. I was actually looking to take pictures. But, maybe it really IS my looks? haha.
Yes. There seems to be a lot of inferring and assuming here. Perhaps, someone should scold that tart about aggressively peddling her pussy. Maybe, she doesn't realize that she is in China and might offend the local pooners. ;)

Weelock
10-13-09, 10:46
A guy brought me to a few small resturants which offered cheap sex. A motorcyle taxi brought me to similiar places in another city. These places are in Southern China but I'm sure they can be found around China. Some resturants are more like small shacks. You pick a girl to serve you the food and she can also eat with you if you want. You can fondled the girl to a point. In most places she will give you a HJ while you are eating. After eating, if you like the girl, you can fuck her.

Depending on what you order, the food and the girl are cheap. They are happy for your business.Their catch, if you want to fuck the girl, it is going to cost you more.

Each place did not look too clean and I did not want to get sick from the food. I was not interested but I just wanted to look. For the girls, they usually have 3-5 per place. They mostly were low end but I have high standards. These type of places are mainly for the locals and I would NOT recommend them for anybody.

Dash
10-13-09, 16:02
Wow, this is one of the few times I agree with 99% of your comments Zhuren. Chocha Monger has no knowledge about China's economy, culture and people. LIke OAH said, he might have never been to China or to Chang Ping.

What amazes me is that people confuse the giant mountain of dough the Communist Chinese government has with the abject miserable poverty and desperation of people in China. This=cheap abundant pussy. What is the big deal? Does this offend the sensibilities of people who have not lived in a third world country? My fleeting impression of China is reinforced by my long term girlfriend who is from Shanghai. Fuck China. Go there, have a nice time, respect the people, respect yourself, and never forget: you are a guest and are probably tolerated at best and disliked at worst. The Communist party bigshot in one city who took me to the herbal viagra company to get me samples. Seems like we talked about pussy a bit and I was with North Koreans too, it was all commies, all the time! We were joking about sea cucumbers helping you fuck and I said "I'll stick with Western science, viagra works, you guys stick to your sea cucumbers and seahorses." We all had a laugh, no one got pissed off and grabbed an AK47 to send me to be with the other "foreign devils". You know, pride is one of the seven deadly sins. I loved China, and I have no doubt that China will never love me (or you other guys either) Deal with it.

Csun213
10-14-09, 02:15
If something attracts too much – especially foreign – attention, it will be shut down. ISG was blocked in China after it was written up in an expat blog that was copied again and again. Maggie’s was shuttered after it made some American (and HK) papers.

The people who live here are rightly concerned that the same may happen to their haunts if they get mobbed by loud and rude hordes.

Now please stop it. Go forth and sin some more. Quietly.


You are correct, if you attract too much attention, it will be shut down.

Do you guys remember Red Lake at Haikou, Hainan Island? It was the sex capital for Mainland Chinese. Just about all the Chinese know that you go to Hainan for sex since they don't have much else to offer. It existed without any problem for years. Then some foreigners discovered it and posted on a forum and soon a lot of foreigners (including me) start to go to the famous Red Lake where you can find over 5000 girls in an area about 1 city block. It was great and I was glad I had a chance to see it in the early 1998.

Then 60 minutes heard about it, brought a hidden camera and broadcast it. The Chinese government heard about it and shut it down. No one believe that it was possible since Haikou was depending on the tourist (mainly Chinese and Taiwanese) but the government shut down Red Lake and then all the houses. But they did replace the sex trade by turning it into the Chinese Hawaii. Now it is full of regular tourist. You can still find some hookers there however it was nothing like what it was in the late 90 and early 2000.

The lesson here is that the Chinese government will do anything to protect their image. Remember nothing is more import than FACE in China.

Sammy_T
10-14-09, 03:13
http://jenseyatvajameh.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/china.pdfA good read, but a lot of it is lifted directly from Wikipedia. See the following links:

Prostitution in the People's republic of China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China
Sexaulity in the Peoples republic of China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
Homosexuality in China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_China

Sammy

Zhuren
10-14-09, 03:33
A good read, but a lot of it is lifted directly from Wikipedia. See the following links:

Prostitution in the People's republic of China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China
Sexaulity in the Peoples republic of China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
Homosexuality in China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_China

Sammy


Exactly, and the rest of it, such as Hong Kong being an "autonomous region" is pure bunk. HK and Macau are "special administrative regions" and might as well be regarded as their own countries, owned by China. Jeez, Chinese need a visa to go there. "Autonomous regions" are (as Wikipedia will confirm) Tibet, Guangxi, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, and Ningxia. News to me that these are free trade zones for the sport.

Armchair pundit cut & paste job. Full of mistakes where not lifted verbatim from Wikipedia. Nothing original there. Move along ...

SE Asia Joe
10-14-09, 20:26
Exactly, and the rest of it, such as Hong Kong being an "autonomous region" is pure bunk. HK and Macau are "special administrative regions" and might as well be regarded as their own countries, owned by China. Jeez, Chinese need a visa to go there. "Autonomous regions" are (as Wikipedia will confirm) Tibet, Guangxi, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, and Ningxia. News to me that these are free trade zones for the sport.

Armchair pundit cut & paste job. Full of mistakes where not lifted verbatim from Wikipedia. Nothing original there. Move along ...
And curious how a full 10 pages - out of 50 (57 less 7 the cover/intro/junk) is devoted to Homosexuality - Non?

And a great read for Mr. Armchair pundit - nice and easy 1, 2 paragraphs per page.

With pictures nonetheless!!

Yup, all that one needs to know about China

SEAJ

Dash
10-15-09, 02:28
And curious how a full 10 pages - out of 50 (57 less the cover/intro/junk) is devoted to Homosexuality - Non?

And a great read for Mr. Armchair pundit - nice and easy 1, 2 paragraphs per page.

With pictures nonetheless!!

Yup, all that one needs to know about China

SEAJ
That report proves it's not just straights who have an Asian sex partner fetish, it's even gay Eurotrash evidently, haha.

Chocha Monger
10-15-09, 02:57
Zhuhai hotel closed after Japanese orgy
( 2003-09-28 15:08) (chinadaily.com.cn)

Hundreds of Japanese tourists and local prostitutes held a three-day orgy at a luxury hotel in southern China, sparking outrage of Chinese and prompting police to launch an investigation.


The Zhuhai International Convention Centre.
The five-star hotel where the orgy was reported to have been held has been closed pending investigations, a spokeswoman for the Guangdong Provincial Public Security Bureau told reporters.

"We are conducting an investigation into the case to find out whether media reports tally with reality," she said. "We have suspended the business of Zhuhai International Convention Centre Hotel."

Nearly 400 Japanese tourists were serviced by some 500 prostitutes from the coastal cities of Zhuhai and Shenzhen during their stay from September 16 to 18.

Media reports of the orgy have provoked outrage -- particularly on the Internet, where Chinese Web surfers accused the tourists of choosing the date for their high jinks to humiliate China and celebrate Japan's wartime behaviour.

September 18 marks the anniversary of Japan's occupation of northeastern China of 1931 -- an event remembered by many Chinese.

A message on the www.chinadaily.com.cn website said: "I only could tell my countrymates: whether we have forgotten the Nanjing Massacre?"

"This issue can't be taken as prostitution simply. Those Japanese wanna challenge our nation," said another message on the website.

"It's a trivial matter for Chinese prostitutes to sell sex, but the key is to look at the intentions of the Japanese devils," said a message on the www.sina.com.cn website. "They came on purpose for September 18."

Other messages described the orgy as a national shame.

According to media report tourists paid the prostitutes between 1,200 to 1,800 yuan a night (US$145 - US$215).
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Note that no Japanese mongers were arrested. How convenient. Maybe the self appointed Communist Party spokesman can explain as to why?

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Masterminds of Japanese orgy get life
( 2003-12-17 23:50) (China Daily)

ZHUHAI, Guangdong Province: Two Chinese defendants were sentenced to life in prison Wednesday for organizing a sex orgy involving hundreds of Japanese tourists in a case that sparked public outrage across China.


Zhuhai hotel: Site of scandal
Twelve other defendants were sentenced to prison terms ranging from two to 15 years.

Police have asked Interpol to help find three Japanese suspected of soliciting prostitutes for the orgy, which coincided with the 72nd anniversary of the start of Japan's occupation of China during World War II.

The Zhuhai Intermediate People's Court sentenced Ye Xiang, assistant to the general manager of Zhuhai International Convention Centre - where the orgy took place - and Ming Zhu to life in prison, Xinhua reported.

It didn't give any other details about Ming.

The hotel's deputy sales manager Liu Xuejing was sentenced to 15 years. Another defendant, Zhang Junying, was sentenced to 12 years.

The 10 others received between two and 10 years in prison. They include hotel staff, night club bosses, pimps, prostitutes and the employees of a local Japanese-funded company.

They were convicted of arranging prostitutes for more than 200 Japanese tourists between September 16 and 18 in the southern Chinese city.

The Zhuhai Intermediate People's Procuratorate also issued warrants for the arrest of three Japanese accused of organizing the sex party, and the Chinese Foreign Ministry has asked Japan to help arrest the trio, Xinhua reported.

Chinese police authorities have also asked international police organization Interpol to issue so-called "red notices" on them, the news agency said.

Xinhua identified the three Japanese as Isao Hirobe, Shunji Takahashi and Koji Fukunaga. It didn't give any other details about them.

A Japanese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman in Tokyo said the government had received a request for "co-operation" from Chinese authorities and conveyed it to the police.

According to earlier media reports, as many as 400 Japanese men and 500 Chinese prostitutes had sex at the Zhuhai hotel over a three-day period that ended on September 18.

The Zhuhai court opened its trial on the case on December 12, but the public and non-essential court employees were barred from the courthouse due to privacy concerns.

The case has raised great concern at home and abroad.

No local government officials and civil servants were found to be involved, but 15 major officials, including bureau directors and their deputies, from Zhuhai municipal offices of public security and tourism, were given Party and executive disciplinary punishments for negligence of duty. The two hotels involved in the case were immediately required to stop doing business when the case was exposed in September.

The prostitutes came from many night clubs in Zhuhai and Shenzhen. They were each paid between 800 yuan (US$96) and 1,800 yuan (US$216) a night.
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No one was executed like someone claimed.

Very convenient for the Japanese to pound cheap pussy and "escape" but now they are "wanted." Any bets as to when Interpol will detain them?

Zhuren
10-15-09, 03:14
Cocha, we know you can operate Google. It has been sufficiently established. This is not a recycling plant for ancient articles. Post some genuine reports. Or nothing.

Thanking you in advance,

ZR

Dash
10-15-09, 05:41
zhuhai hotel closed after japanese orgy
( 2003-09-28 15:08) (chinadaily.com.cn)

the zhuhai international convention centre.
the five-star hotel where the orgy was reported to have been held has been closed pending investigations, a spokeswoman for the guangdong provincial public security bureau told reporters.


this doesn't look good, it bothers my aesthetic sensibilities to think of a bunch of japanese dudes doing this. but, those twerps always want to do everything together, sometimes i wonder if they have a guy cheerleading the other guy when he fucks a chick. i also have a pet peeve: what is up with the fucking stars of hotels? once upon a time, three stars was great. then, four. now, five. what's the limit? "please visit our 10 star hotel in the hellhole dubai skyscraper, we have a genuine british concierge and russian hoes!"

SE Asia Joe
10-15-09, 06:37
Cocha, we know you can operate Google. It has been sufficiently established. This is not a recycling plant for ancient articles. Post some genuine reports. Or nothing.

Thanking you in advance,

ZR
Touche!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
10-15-09, 06:39
this doesn't look good, it bothers my aesthetic sensibilities to think of a bunch of japanese dudes doing this. but, those twerps always want to do everything together, sometimes i wonder if they have a guy cheerleading the other guy when he fucks a chick. i also have a pet peeve: what is up with the fucking stars of hotels? once upon a time, three stars was great. then, four. now, five. what's the limit? "please visit our 10 star hotel in the hellhole dubai skyscraper, we have a genuine british concierge and russian hoes!"
hey - don'tcha know that all hotels in china are 5 stars??

all you have to do to confirm it is so, is to look at the flag pole outside each hotel in china - and you will see the 5 yellow stars!!

seaj

ps. old old news on zhuhai and the japanese - only of interest to the armchair pundits and historians

SE Asia Joe
10-15-09, 07:03
Some ethnic Chinese are mad that Chinese are spreading their legs for 100 kuai. It was ok 10 years ago, but not since the Olympics, the G20 and especially since the parade for the 60th.
YUP! On the nail head you've hit it!

And soon, pretty soon, all of this is gonna go by how things are in other "developed" countries - especially when totally misinformed guys keep on spouting off about how wonderful a mongering destination China is AND encouraging all the Cheap Euro/trailer-park trash to "Come on over Y'all!!l

I don't mind and DO participate in discussions and information sharing about our favorite hobby - but there's always somebody who's hell bent on ---- don't really know what??!

And of course the arm-chair pundits who live their lives vicariously on ISG by showing off their suppossed knoweldge on any subject, any country, any location and ALL situations! Gimme a break!

SEAJ

Zhuren
10-15-09, 07:17
Ps. Old Old news on Zhuhai and the Japanese - only of interest to the armchair pundits and historians


True. Ancient history. Its only beneficial value is to prove what has been said again and again, but what seems do fall on deaf ears: Do it, but don't make any waves.

The Japanese would not have been bothered, would they not have chosen the anniversary of the Manchurian invasion for their Zhuhai incursion. They got off scot free - as in many countries, pimping is a much serious offense in China than partaking. China still treats foreigners with respect, an attitude that often is not being returned.

Also, if foreigners are being exposed for sexual escapades, there usually is something else beneath the surface. I would not be surprised if that Osaka construction company had business enemies - even more the reason for being discrete.

Anyway, imagine for a second the ruckus it would have caused if 400 Japanese would have attended an orgy on December 7 at the Royal Hawaiian - they would probably all still be in jail. Or picture 400 members of the American Legion staging a similar event in Hiroshima on the anniversary of Little Boy dropping from Enola Gay.

Dash: No, they don't do it with cheerleaders. Japanese men usually do it with a stone face and in utter silence.

Dash
10-15-09, 13:27
I like the China setup, discreet but abundant supply. Nice and classy if you never want to venture outside your "five star" hotel. Getting grabbed by a tart in the street was a thrill. The other thing I like is the pleasant girls and their attitude. I met a bunch of female graduate students in Qingdao and they were all friendly, a couple email me wishing me to come visit. China was all fun to me, but I was in a protective bubble except for a for a few days. I hope visitors respect China and its people. It is SO much superior to Mexico for hobbyists.

AsnDragon
11-10-09, 22:36
Dash,

How can you ever even compare China's scene to the dirty *****houses in Tijuana or whatever place you patron down in Mexico? It's not even a comparison at all. China's Mongering scene has been refined and expanded into organized venues and specialties. If you compared China to Japan or Korea I could understand. But China and Mexico? Not even a comparison there.

AsnDragon


I like the China setup, discreet but abundant supply. Nice and classy if you never want to venture outside your "five star" hotel. Getting grabbed by a tart in the street was a thrill. The other thing I like is the pleasant girls and their attitude. I met a bunch of female graduate students in Qingdao and they were all friendly, a couple email me wishing me to come visit. China was all fun to me, but I was in a protective bubble except for a for a few days. I hope visitors respect China and its people. It is SO much superior to Mexico for hobbyists.

Dash
11-11-09, 18:32
Dash,

How can you ever even compare China's scene to the dirty *****houses in Tijuana or whatever place you patron down in Mexico? It's not even a comparison at all. China's Mongering scene has been refined and expanded into organized venues and specialties. If you compared China to Japan or Korea I could understand. But China and Mexico? Not even a comparison there.

AsnDragon
I agree. I wrote that China was "SO much superior to Mexico". Mexico's main attraction is proximity to California.
However, Mexico has billionaires and corrupt politicians, too, so there are indeed brothels with the highest quality model gorgeous women. The problem is the brothels are discreet and most visitors would never find one. I have never been to Tijuana and agree the whole scene is disgusting. Actually, a lot of Mexico itself is disgusting. But, since I once lived there and speak Spanish fluently, I can go back and find girlfriends for "short time". China is VASTLY superior.

South Gate
11-12-09, 04:31
Sex in China is incredibly available and relatively cheap compared to other places in the world including Mexico, Europe, S America and some of Asia (Japan, Korea). In my city of Kunming, for example, randomly visiting saunas (over 500 in the city) and simply asking for special service will get you laid more than half of the time. Across the street from the KM airport there is a hotel whose seventh floor sauna hires young princesses who are dedicated to bringing weary male travelers to heaven. Strolling down a main street for ten minutes will put you in contact with independents and mama sans. Since sex is illegal and the penalties can be somewhat rigorous for the ladies involved (compared for example to the other countries mentioned above) why is it so easy to find Chinese angels to play with? It is possible that that China's history has an answer. During the Song dynasty ( few hundred years ago), emperors had over 10000 concubines and other wealthy men had hundreds. Though the number of concubines per wealthy man decreased until the end of the empire in the 1930s and was made illegal in modern China, the practice of having more women continues. Chinese business men and politicos commonly keep er nai (second wives). There are few religious restrictions on this practice and it is quite accepted. So here we are all Song emperors with over 10,000 women to choose from.

Pushkin13
11-12-09, 05:40
1. The society and young women in particular are spared the penicious influence of Christianity and Islam.

2. The society and women in particular are spared ideas of "women's liberation".

3. Women (especially young women) see it to their advantage (economic advantage greater than any moral concern or repugnance they might feel, regarding being f**ked for money). This economic advantage means that they can support a child back home, or buy labelled clothes etc.

4. A small number (based on my limited understanding, with a small sample size, with my limited Mandarin) enjoy (from the pleasure point of view) the contacts enough of the time to find that a part motivator. (One of my WG "friends" said that about 1/3 of the men were nice, 1/3 so-so, 1/3 not nice, and that she enjoyed being penetrated by a nice man (but rarely to orgasm)).

For your consideration.

P13

AsnDragon
11-12-09, 08:06
Alright guys...let's cool it down here. Yes it is available and easily accesible in many places around China to find a working Girl. But As with everything, good things always come to an end. So enjoy while it lasts, cause nothing lasts forever. Price tags shoot up the roof as China is modernizing quickly.

Why is there so many WG girls in China. Just sheer population! You all don't know the enormity of the population in China. As i've stated before 1.3 billion was a census done in 1989- 20 years ago. I also doubt that the 1989 census was even correct on their numbers as well.

There simply aren't enough jobs available for everyone in China and people are still poor. As people's wages go up and jobs become more readily available to sustain a proper living standard, price tags of WG will go up, less girls will be willing to come into this line of work. It happens to many nations around Asia. Japan, Korea, Taiwan etc..they all use to be big mongering destinations for Westerners for years back 40-50 years ago. But as time progresses you less and less people going out to do this line of work. Taiwan is a perfect example of this. Sure you can still find WG's but the price tag is high, it's not readily available and hard to find.

So enjoy while it lasts. Let's not be too greedy and end up sounding the alarms from local cops and authorities. Monger respectifully and if we all enjoy this trade with a certian respects, we draw less attention and insure that this hobby still remain in operation in the years and decades to come.


AsnDragon


Sex in China is incredibly available and relatively cheap compared to other places in the world including Mexico, Europe, S America and some of Asia (Japan, Korea). In my city of Kunming, for example, randomly visiting saunas (over 500 in the city) and simply asking for special service will get you laid more than half of the time. Across the street from the KM airport there is a hotel whose seventh floor sauna hires young princesses who are dedicated to bringing weary male travelers to heaven. Strolling down a main street for ten minutes will put you in contact with independents and mama sans. Since sex is illegal and the penalties can be somewhat rigorous for the ladies involved (compared for example to the other countries mentioned above) why is it so easy to find Chinese angels to play with? It is possible that that China's history has an answer. During the Song dynasty ( few hundred years ago), emperors had over 10000 concubines and other wealthy men had hundreds. Though the number of concubines per wealthy man decreased until the end of the empire in the 1930s and was made illegal in modern China, the practice of having more women continues. Chinese business men and politicos commonly keep er nai (second wives). There are few religious restrictions on this practice and it is quite accepted. So here we are all Song emperors with over 10,000 women to choose from.