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It's disappointing to read such a strong negative report after several mostly good ones about the club post-raid. I'm booked for Berlin a couple days next week. Perhaps should have done Darmstadt instead.
I will probably visit Artemis Thursday next week, would like to meet up with other mongers / punters if someone from here will be there that day.
I will probably visit Artemis Thursday next week, would like to meet up with other mongers / punters if someone from here will be there that day.Ahh too bad, I will be there from Sunday through Wednesday of the following week. I am keeping my fingers crossed the vibe will still be cool but if not I will get out of Berlin and try Frankfurt. I will be coming from Amsterdam on this trip so I will have had enough of Red Light girls by then.
Ahh too bad, I will be there from Sunday through Wednesday of the following week. I am keeping my fingers crossed the vibe will still be cool.Please give us a report as soon as you can after your first visit.
Went to Artemis for first time since the raid. Overall disappointed. The new freedom where girls can charge what they want has gotten the worst side for some girls now.This really surprises me. I have now had 12-16 sessions since the raid (I reported on 5-6 of them in this very thread) and never ever have a girl charged or asked me anything besides standard rate.
So maybe better on Weekend? Might try again tomorrow. Very nice outside garden and spa. Food awful. Had to have salad and potatoes.Food awful? You haven't been to Artemis in some time then? Food is always awful in Artemis, raid or no raid. If you are cheapskate, walk 400 meters to a kebabplace on Kurfürstendamm and buy yourself Doner kebab for few Euros. Or go to proper restaurant in same area.
This really surprises me. I have now had 12-16 sessions since the raid (I reported on 5-6 of them in this very thread) and never ever have a girl charged or asked me anything besides standard rate.
Food awful? You haven't been to Artemis in some time then? Food is always awful in Artemis, raid or no raid. If you are cheapskate, walk 400 meters to a kebabplace on Kurfrstendamm and buy yourself Doner kebab for few Euros. Or go to proper restaurant in same area.Could you please tell me the location of this kebab place? You walk toward Kurfurstendam strasse direction from Artemis, then where is this kebab place? Is this near Henansee train station?
Please give us a report as soon as you can after your first visit.I will yes! I am not so good at remembering names but I will try and report as accurately as I can. This will be my first time going this time of year. Usually I have been there in Oct-Nov so I am looking forward to the outdoor pool and sauna, too.
Nooky Ninja
05-21-16, 07:32
Usual complaints on Artemis change nothing. Just reality. Some nights line-up better than others, sometimes food good, sometimes so so. All best Thurs-Saturday, as reported here at least 10 years. Slow nights have less choices, but can be nice. Everyone is different, but if you go slow, choose wise, maybe come before 22:30 when less crowded, you always find enough very nice girls. At least 5-10 in different shapes, colours, and sizes who can please any normal, clean, respectful man.
All locals know this, why they keep coming. All nationalities have great girls and not so; anyone who make generalizations just display ignorance or lack of experience. Common sense to avoid during peak times, like after big football match in nearby Olympic Stadium, or big Messe. If you cannot manage after all this, problem is with your attitude and bad choices. Most girls keep to old prices and policies. If you have uncertainty, just discuss all issues before agree to go to room.
Then everyone know what to expect. If after discussion, you feel slight strange/uncertain vibration, you just say no. Problem solved. So relax, and enjoy and also try to make girl happy with massage or tongue. Not difficult, not complicated.
On legal, in today newspaper: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nach-polizeieinsatz-im-artemis-grossbordell-bleibt-trotz-razzia-wohl-geoeffnet/13622874.html.
Use Google Translate for idea, but basically, through recent legal change in ownership, club will stay open, at least 1- 2 months (and likely longer) til new normal business investigation of "new" owner, though new owner part of A team. All sides playing games. But good news for mongers. Rest of investigation goes on.
I think you would be showing your ignorance if you actually believe that you can go to Artemis and choose slowly and wisely. There's a nasty culture breeding at Artemis to provide quick shitty service, especially to non regulars. I never realized how much I dislike Romainians until I walked into this place.
As a member recently stated, it's luck of the draw. Just choose who you find visually appealing and have a session. It's just sixty Euros and you might as well nail as many as you can if already there. With all my negative said, it's a fun place. Great facility!
I think you would be showing your ignorance if you actually believe that you can go to Artemis and choose slowly and wisely. There's a nasty culture breeding at Artemis to provide quick shitty service, especially to non regulars. I never realized how much I dislike Romainians until I walked into this place.
As a member recently stated, it's luck of the draw. Just choose who you find visually appealing and have a session. It's just sixty Euros and you might as well nail as many as you can if already there. With all my negative said, it's a fun place. Great facility!And remember, if they say they are from spain or Italy, they are most likely Romanians LOL.
Nooky Ninja
05-21-16, 11:55
I think you would be showing your ignorance if you actually believe that you can go to Artemis and choose slowly and wisely. There's a nasty culture breeding at Artemis to provide quick shitty service, especially to non regulars. I never realized how much I dislike Romainians until I walked into this place. Just choose who you find visually appealing and have a session. It's just sixty Euros and you might as well nail as many as you can if already there. You have your opinion, and your strategy. In Ninja opinion, it is not wise. And all regulars were once newbies. They became regulars because of mutual chemistry. If you talk more, slow down, you have much better experience than Artemis as fast food all you eat buffet. And there are a number of Romanian girls who are fantastic, if you take time to discover. And some German girls and even some Latinas could hold their own on the "shark" mentality. All just individual.
Nasty culture? Maybe you have FKKillusionitis, that girls there just to serve men and enjoy sex because you pay. Their motivations, pressures, psychology, and emotion in the moment vary and are complex. If you fall for aggressive silly games and upsell (by a small few), it really is your fault as it can be avoided 99% of time. You make your luck by your choice. If you are a little more selective, keep discipline, experience can be much better than just McFick. But if you only care on quantity, then do it your way.
First of all; Ninja, thank you for your positive and realistic words, I totally agree with you.
Visiting Artemis Thursday 26th, and would like to meet up with some other members from this forum to discuss in person.
Anyone else know that they will be there on Thursday?
I will probably be there from about opening time. I like the daytime, not so crowded, and hopefully weather to enjoy the sun.
And remember, if they say they are from spain or Italy, they are most likely Romanians LOL.They didn't try that, probably because I'm Southern European. Would of been a good chuckle.
Photographe
05-21-16, 20:00
I may be at Artemis on the 26th. Definitely 24th and 25th. 26th if I still have energy and interest after two days, LOL.
I'm glad to read what Ninja wrote, as it matches most closely with my own experience: Artemis is never all one thing, as he said it is a complicated and ever shifting mix of psychological, emotional, economic, circumstantial factors, and of course it varies from girl to girl and with the same girl from customer to customer, depending on how you behave and treat them. I have had successful trips in the past in part because I try to always conduct myself in a polite, kind, understanding manner. I know the girls are not there for their own amusement. I try to be as accommodating as possible and not be a nuisance or a drag for them. Of course good behavior is usually rewarded, so it's not all done out of charity on my part either. I want everyone to be happy at the end of a session, if not happy then at least not feeling bad about it.
Anyway, anxious but hopeful to see what the vibe is like in Artemis these days. Hoping for the best.
They didn't try that, probably because I'm Southern European. Would of been a good chuckle.Then they will tell you they are Spanish or Italian who only speak Romanians LOL anything goes in FKK LOL.
Could you please tell me the location of this kebab place? You walk toward Kurfurstendamm direction from Artemis, then where is this kebab place? Is this near Henansee train station?Henansee station is unknown to me. You mean Halensee? Yeah. It is right across the street (if you exit at) before you cross the bridge.
Descriptions on how to get here from Artemis (it is actually 900 meter and not 400 meter as I told initially. Still only 10 min walk):
1: When exiting the entrance to the Artemis proper, turn left and walk towards the bus station.
2: You will pass under two overpasses and on your right you will see steps. Turn left and go up.
3: Continue on the Bornstedter Strasse (you will have greenery and railroad on your left side). If you miss that street and take Kronprinzendamm instead, it is no big deal = both streets lead to same place.
4: If you have ever stayed over at Hotel Kronprinz, this area should be familiar for you. You will pass by this hotel and continue towards Kurfurstendamm.
5: Turn right again and cross the bridge. Right after the bridge you will see a small food vendor place (Google maps streetview is outdated). You can buy decent (not exclusive) fast food here. People working here know some English.
6. If you move on further, the entire area is full of places where you can buy food. Personally, for lunch I prefer more expensive places than the described vendor, but if I am short on time, I am eating here.
BTW, nearby (as in 10 seconds walk) you can also find Berliner Sparkasse ATM machines (inside the building, on corner between Kurfurstendamm and Ringbahnstraße) that you can use to take out money for girls in Artemis (don't use their ATM machines. Unless desperate).
Henansee station is unknown to me. You mean Halensee? Yeah. It is right across the street (if you exit at) before you cross the bridge.
Descriptions on how to get here from Artemis (it is actually 900 meter and not 400 meter as I told initially. Still only 10 min walk):
1: When exiting the entrance to the Artemis proper, turn left and walk towards the bus station.
2: You will pass under two overpasses and on your right you will see steps. Turn left and go up.
3: Continue on the Bornstedter Strasse (you will have greenery and railroad on your left side). If you miss that street and take Kronprinzendamm instead, it is no big deal = both streets lead to same place.
4: If you have ever stayed over at Hotel Kronprinz, this area should be familiar for you. You will pass by this hotel and continue towards Kurfurstendamm..Thanks buddy I hope the kebab is good there as I love kebab once in awhile I always hope Artemis do kebab wagon in the parking area like FKK sharks do with ice cream wagon that comes in during summer time.
ATM in Artemis LOL each time I need money for girls, it is always I find the girl I wanted just before I leave for the day and I need money desperately out of ATM LOL so commission percentage don't matter in those time LOL.
I never know around Helansee station there are few fast food stands, I will see if they are as good as other kebab places in Berlin I go for 10 minute jogging there from Artemis.
WeirdoVein
05-22-16, 08:32
First of all; Ninja, thank you for your positive and realistic words, I totally agree with you.
Visiting Artemis Thursday 26th, and would like to meet up with some other members from this forum to discuss in person.
Anyone else know that they will be there on Thursday?
I will probably be there from about opening time. I like the daytime, not so crowded, and hopefully weather to enjoy the sun.I'm going to visit Artemis on the 25th and 26th, so we can meet up if you want too! I'm a rookie on the mongering scene, but what I lack in experience I make up in enthusiasm!
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Nooky Ninja
05-22-16, 09:59
First of all; Ninja, thank you for your positive and realistic words, I totally agree with you.
I will probably be there from about opening time. I like the daytime, not so crowded, and hopefully weather to enjoy the sun.PM for details.
I plan to be at Artemis on Thurs 26 May around 1900 hrs. Hope to meet some ISG members there.
All nationalities have great girls and not so; anyone who make generalizations just display ignorance or lack of experience. Me totally agrees with this bunch of politically correct crap.
Anyone stating that in Artemis the level of upsell and sharkiness is on average higher then other venues just display ignorance and lack of experience, because the fact that it is possible to get good service from some of the girls clearly proves otherwise.
Me really has enough of those stupid generalizations, like turkish male guests (on average) behave bad and roughly without respect for WGs, or like asians being (on average) easier preys for the WGs because they have tiny cocks and are nerdy and gentle and generous in the clubs.
The fact that there are somewhere in the world asian studs with 30 cm cocks who fuck for hours like horny stallions (though I never heard about, but me thinks probably NukeyNinja here is one) clearly proves that generalizing is wrong.
Unbelievable how many unexperienced ignorant guys are out there.
Happy to hear business more or less as asual in Artemis.
Generalizations are not allways wrong. But sometimes it is not due to them being different, but it could be because of cultural and economic differences. Or different microclimates at certain clubs. Some club owners are more strict than others, some cities / regions have more FKK competition than others etc etc.
I plan to be at Artemis on Thurs 26 May around 1900 hrs. Hope to meet some ISG members there.Sent you a PM.
PussyLiccker
05-22-16, 22:57
Me totally agrees with this bunch of politically correct crap.But Dute, that goes against your religion of generalizing nationalities. By stating that you are being hypocritical of your religion of the house of Romies are no good. You say Romies offer fake GFE, and not as good services as non-Romies.
Nooky Ninja
05-23-16, 11:17
But Dute, that goes against your religion of generalizing nationalities. By stating that you are being hypocritical of your religion of the house of Romies are no good. You say Romies offer fake GFE, and not as good services as non-Romies.Dute's english a little less than perfect (like many of us). He meant opposite of political correctness. But his sentiment and ideas correct; no link between nationality and service. Good and bad everywhere, both with women and men. Period. Not sure what you try to say as did not study theology.
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At Dutedrac- you very kind but NInja more modest than you think. Only 25 cm, and only maybe last 2 hours in cowgirl :D
Me totally agrees with this bunch of politically correct crap.
Anyone stating that in Artemis the level of upsell and sharkiness is on average higher then other venues just display ignorance and lack of experience, because the fact that it is possible to get good service from some of the girls clearly proves otherwise.
Me really has enough of those stupid generalizations, like turkish male guests (on average) behave bad and roughly without respect for WGs, or like asians being (on average) easier preys for the WGs because they have tiny cocks and are nerdy and gentle and generous in the clubs.
The fact that there are somewhere in the world asian studs with 30 cm cocks who fuck for hours like horny stallions (though I never heard about, but me thinks probably NukeyNinja here is one) clearly proves that generalizing is wrong.
Unbelievable how many unexperienced ignorant guys are out there.
Happy to hear business more or less as asual in Artemis.FKK Palace is the war zone for upsell LOL.
Artemis is OK as of last November, now after raid I do not know, if it become upsell. There are other FKK in Germany we can goto.
Artemisquastion: Can I pay the fee of 80€ to get in a couple of hours and then go for dinner and then go back in again the same night without paying the 80€ again?
Member #4469
05-24-16, 01:50
Artemisquastion: Can I pay the fee of 80 to get in a couple of hours and then go for dinner and then go back in again the same night without paying the 80 again?Yes it's possible, but you need to tell reception and remember your key number.
Harder to get real GFE at Artemis, but the amount of upsells are not that bad. Just more girls refusing to do more things. Maybe because the average age is soon approaching 30. Or perhaps it is already there. Seen a bunsh of new 30+ women there lately. The management needs to take some serious steps soon. 100 out of the 200 roughly girls working part time or full time at artemis is just 1-4 girls and fat that could be cut away.
Some of the best women there are 30+ so age is not everything, but apart from those perhaps 20 good 30ers and 40ers, there are 50 useless ones...
London Traveller
05-24-16, 17:40
It is a while since I visited this place and I see from the forum that there has been a raid and some changes over the past few months. Can someone who knows the situation outline the current pricing arrangements? That would be very helpful! Thanks in advance.
It is a while since I visited this place and I see from the forum that there has been a raid and some changes over the past few months. Can someone who knows the situation outline the current pricing arrangements? That would be very helpful! Thanks in advance.The good news is: Nothing has changed. Pricing as usual (60 for 30 minutes BBBJ and sex, CIM +50, anal +100). Do not pay more, don't ruin the prices.
The bad news is: Something has changed nevertheless. Some girls may charge an individual extra fee for extras like DFK, DATY or so. Love it or leave it. I didn't experience that by myself, but I was told about it from both sides.
Member #4469
05-25-16, 01:19
The good news is: Nothing has changed. Pricing as usual (60 for 30 minutes BBBJ and sex, CIM +50, anal +100). Do not pay more, don't ruin the prices.
The bad news is: Something has changed nevertheless. Some girls may charge an individual extra fee for extras like DFK, DATY or so. Love it or leave it. I didn't experience that by myself, but I was told about it from both sides.It sounds like business as usual except they may charge you for a service they may or not provide anyhow, interesting! I will visit Artemis last days of this month I will give an extensive report of my visits. It will be very interesting to see which girls still remains and which ones are new, since almost no forum reports is about girls in this thread anymore!
What can I say. Romanian group seems to have dwindelled in numbers. So to perhaps has the normal hamburg group. Some new germans of good quality (looks and service). Some new romanians of bad (looks/didnt try) quality.
Still about 6-8 doable girls there for me in the weekends (a good weekend), but perhaps just 3-4 on a weekday. For a club with the largest numbers of girls in all of Germany, it feels very weak. Especially when I've already sessioned with everyone and their mothers at Artemis already. My last session there had me only try one girl. New german blonde Anja. Quite good girl. Hope to find more like her.
Can mention some good names I would repeat/not repeat depending on my day form: Anja (already mentionned), Sona(thai), Bella(rom), Mili(spa), Carrie (bul, if still around), Brianna(rom), Julia(rom), Aksena(bul), Ella (ru), a punk haired romanian blonde and a german dark haired fit petite girl with 'C'est la vie' tatoo on her stomach. And maybe 2-3 others I cant recall the names of. But all these girls are never all present at the same time. And most are only working part time at the club. Some have other jobs too like Ella and Sona etc...
LU is slightly weaker than last summer... but lots of girls come and go, so its hard to know who's on a break. 1 month, 6 months, or even 2 years...
The good news is: Nothing has changed. Pricing as usual (60 for 30 minutes BBBJ and sex, CIM +50, anal +100). Do not pay more, don't ruin the prices.
The bad news is: Something has changed nevertheless. Some girls may charge an individual extra fee for extras like DFK, DATY or so. Love it or leave it. I didn't experience that by myself, but I was told about it from both sides.Well if Artemis become like Palace, then we have other FKK to go to.
Since FKK has older line up, it is not worth it like before.
I do not understand FKK with full of older women.
I hope they get more girls.
It sounds like business as usual except they may charge you for a service they may or not provide anyhow, interesting! I will visit Artemis last days of this month I will give an extensive report of my visits. It will be very interesting to see which girls still remains and which ones are new, since almost no forum reports is about girls in this thread anymore!Yes unfortunately, many recent reports in the Artemis thread are actually not reports about the club but are just general chit chat about everything and anything. If there is a tentative link in the report to FKK Artemis we are very lucky! Come back Angus Magee! All is forgiven!
a punk haired romanian blondeAFAIR named Ellie.
Photographe
05-25-16, 21:31
Can someone who reads German summarize this article? I put it through Google translate and it sounds. Not good!
http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article207600653/Artemis-Razzia-Ermittler-sehen-Verbindung-zum-Wettbueromord.html
Wolvenvacht
05-26-16, 02:21
Can someone who reads German summarize this article? I put it through Google translate and it sounds. Not good!
http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article207600653/Artemis-Razzia-Ermittler-sehen-Verbindung-zum-Wettbueromord.htmlThis news article says that there seems to be a link between some girls of Artemis and the Hells Angels gang connected to a murder case. The Hells Angels were on the run and hiding for the police and the girls have used the money they made in Artemis to support them and keep them out of the hands of the police. The article further repeats the earrlier news that the Hells Angels were involved in providing women to work at Artemis.
Of the 4 women that were arrested, two remain in jail pending the police enquiry. Two have been released as the risk of them running away is considered small. The management of Artemis remains in jail pending the further enquiry.
DethManRulz
05-26-16, 04:00
This news article says that there seems to be a link between some girls of Artemis and the Hells Angels gang connected to a murder case. The Hells Angels were on the run and hiding for the police and the girls have used the money they made in Artemis to support them and keep them out of the hands of the police. The article further repeats the earrlier news that the Hells Angels were involved in providing women to work at Artemis.
Of the 4 women that were arrested, two remain in jail pending the police enquiry. Two have been released as the risk of them running away is considered small. The management of Artemis remains in jail pending the further enquiry.But Mr. Ho was adamant that there's no connection.
But Mr. Ho was adamant that there's no connection.No connection between what? There are several links here being discussed.
But Mr. Ho was adamant that there's no connection.I said that HA and Artemis do not have links.
Whether girls do or not is private matter and Artemis should not be blamed for it as it is out of their control.
I visited Artemis second time after almost one and half year. I have to say that club is much worse than over year ago. Place is full of Romanian girls who act like someone better to be. I had good time with Colombian girl Valentina. I went with her four times during two days but even with her I had some up and downs at out third meeting. Overall she is very cute girl with very nice attitude and I can highly recommend her. Food was terrible as usually if I had to eat that food longer than two days I would probably have a kidney failure or something.
Greetings for guys from Singapore and German! I think I had more fun time with both of you than most of the girls LOL.
Probably my last visit ever at Artemis next time I might go back to Frankfurt clubs and later this year I will be on Hamburg also.
This news article says that there seems to be a link between some girls of Artemis and the Hells Angels gang connected to a murder case. The Hells Angels were on the run and hiding for the police and the girls have used the money they made in Artemis to support them and keep them out of the hands of the police. The article further repeats the earrlier news that the Hells Angels were involved in providing women to work at Artemis.
Of the 4 women that were arrested, two remain in jail pending the police enquiry. Two have been released as the risk of them running away is considered small. The management of Artemis remains in jail pending the further enquiry.I read in previous post on this forum that the owner K (younger one) is back in Artemis, so I guess he is released.
So money we spend in FKK are helping the murderers fugitive according to the article?
So money we spend in FKK are helping the murderers fugitive according to the article?If that was the meaning they wanted to portray in the article, its rediculous. Like the social security system is to be blamed for drug addiction because one guy on social security once inhaled something.
If that was the meaning they wanted to portray in the article, its rediculous. Like the social security system is to be blamed for drug addiction because one guy on social security once inhaled something.Well media did portray Artemis as some evil club who treat girls badly, which I do not agree with media.
I never saw or witness in any cases Artemis being bad to girls.
In contrary, Artemis is good club for girls like they even have Medical Doctor in the house, clean sleeping area and changing room as we can have glimpse of from upstairs.
As for HA relation, it may be HA and some girls and club itself do not have any affiliation. Girls may have, but very few and that is their business and not clubs.
Member #4469
05-27-16, 04:10
If that was the meaning they wanted to portray in the article, its rediculous. Like the social security system is to be blamed for drug addiction because one guy on social security once inhaled something.At least there is a few sane people left in this thread, because sometimes I wonder if everybody is more or less retarded and is unable to think for themselves!?
Even if the HA link is there, and it probably is, it changes nothing, and shouldn't change anything for the customers at Artemis. If there is drama to it, then the police should fix their stuff. You can't blame McDonalds for one employee being a criminal either. A doctor is supposed to heal an ill person. Not kill him.
BookKeeper
05-27-16, 20:05
I concur with Kennett. It was nice meeting fellow mongers at Artemis! The quality of the girls have dropped dramatically. Out of the maybe 30+ gals, only 1-2 is do-able for me. There is this blonde tall Hungarian girl which I rate 9/10. I was hoping to see her again on Wednesday, but she is no where to be found. The rest was maybe 7's and some 6's.
It was great meeting you Kennett. I think we have fun chatting by ourselves than enjoying the girls. Which says a lot about Artemis.
One positive thing is I thought the food was much better than I visited 2 years ago.
Yeah, I agree, I think Artemis is done unless something changes.
I visited Artemis second time after almost one and half year. I have to say that club is much worse than over year ago. Place is full of Romanian girls who act like someone better to be. I had good time with Colombian girl Valentina. I went with her four times during two days but even with her I had some up and downs at out third meeting. Overall she is very cute girl with very nice attitude and I can highly recommend her. Food was terrible as usually if I had to eat that food longer than two days I would probably have a kidney failure or something.
Greetings for guys from Singapore and German! I think I had more fun time with both of you than most of the girls LOL.
Probably my last visit ever at Artemis next time I might go back to Frankfurt clubs and later this year I will be on Hamburg also.
I concur with Kennett. It was nice meeting fellow mongers at Artemis! The quality of the girls have dropped dramatically. Out of the maybe 30+ gals, only 1-2 is do-able for me. There is this blonde tall Hungarian girl which I rate 9/10. I was hoping to see her again on Wednesday, but she is no where to be found. The rest was maybe 7's and some 6's.
It was great meeting you Kennett. I think we have fun chatting by ourselves than enjoying the girls. Which says a lot about Artemis.
One positive thing is I thought the food was much better than I visited 2 years ago.
Yeah, I agree, I think Artemis is done unless something changes.Blonde Hungarian girl? If brunette tall one can be Geraldine, but if she is blonde. Then it must be new girl.
Brigitte is blonde Hungarian girl, but she is not tall, so it cannot be her. I wonder who this blonde tall Hungarian girl is.
Yeah, I agree, I think Artemis is done unless something changes.Just no magnetism to return.
I concur with Kennett. It was nice meeting fellow mongers at Artemis! The quality of the girls have dropped dramatically. Out of the maybe 30+ gals, only 1-2 is do-able for me. There is this blonde tall Hungarian girl which I rate 9/10. I was hoping to see her again on Wednesday, but she is no where to be found. The rest was maybe 7's and some 6's.
It was great meeting you Kennett. I think we have fun chatting by ourselves than enjoying the girls. Which says a lot about Artemis.
One positive thing is I thought the food was much better than I visited 2 years ago.
Yeah, I agree, I think Artemis is done unless something changes.I also visited last Wednesday for the first time since the raid. I agree that the quality of the girls has dropped off. When I arrived just after 5 pm there were few men and a very poor selection of girls. Fortunately for me Rosali was there and we have one excellent hour. I showered upstairs and when I went into the room she has stripped off and was draped over the bed! I have seen her many times and have always had an excellent service all round, especially CIM. Without her being present I would have left. After returning from the room I have some dinner. Better food. Then more girls had arrived and I saw only one of two that I would have considered. Then I spotted Ella with whom I have also been with many times in the past but not for over 2 years. She recognized me and off we went for another top class service. She only works infrequently these days as she has another job.
Without these two, I would have left and thereby wasted the entry fee. I only had to fend off one 'shark attack' - a very aggressive and not at attractive. I also saw very few girls who I recognized from my last visit about a month before the raid.
It is still possible to get excellent service in this club but much too reliant on the presence of a girl you know. If things do not change drastically and soon it will simply an expensive entrance fee with no advantages.
BookKeeper
05-28-16, 16:09
The one that I saw was on Monday. She is sweet looking, tall blonde with good model body. Easily 9/10. She doesn't moan much on bed, but it does give you some realistic sounds rather than fake ones.
I can't recall. I think her name is Micah or something like that. I went again on Wednesday hoping to meet her, but I was pestered by a bunch of Romanians.
I think one of the Swedes I met on Monday tried her. I think he was satisfied Damn, I should have gone second round with her.
Blonde Hungarian girl? If brunette tall one can be Geraldine, but if she is blonde. Then it must be new girl.
Brigitte is blonde Hungarian girl, but she is not tall, so it cannot be her. I wonder who this blonde tall Hungarian girl is.
The one that I saw was on Monday. She is sweet looking, tall blonde with good model body. Easily 9/10. She doesn't moan much on bed, but it does give you some realistic sounds rather than fake ones.
I can't recall. I think her name is Micah or something like that. I went again on Wednesday hoping to meet her, but I was pestered by a bunch of Romanians.
I think one of the Swedes I met on Monday tried her. I think he was satisfied Damn, I should have gone second round with her.OK, so she is blonde and not brunette, then it is new girl. I got to seek for tall blonde Hungarian then LOL.
This tall blonde one has any tattoo? Big tits? Silicone or?
I also visited last Wednesday for the first time since the raid. I agree that the quality of the girls has dropped off. When I arrived just after 5 pm there were few men and a very poor selection of girls. Fortunately for me Rosali was there and we have one excellent hour. I showered upstairs and when I went into the room she has stripped off and was draped over the bed! I have seen her many times and have always had an excellent service all round, especially CIM. Without her being present I would have left. After returning from the room I have some dinner. Better food. Then more girls had arrived and I saw only one of two that I would have considered. Then I spotted Ella with whom I have also been with many times in the past but not for over 2 years. She recognized me and off we went for another top class service. She only works infrequently these days as she has another job.
Without these two, I would have left and thereby wasted the entry fee. I only had to fend off one 'shark attack' - a very aggressive and not at attractive. I also saw very few girls who I recognized from my last visit about a month before the raid.
It is still possible to get excellent service in this club but much too reliant on the presence of a girl you know. If things do not change drastically and soon it will simply an expensive entrance fee with no advantages.This is alarming report.
Hmmm. For fly in monger, it is a risk if Artemis LU really did decline after the raid because there is only Artemis in Berlin.
I hope line up get better in Berlin.
So as I mentioned in an earlier post, I had a trip planned to Berlin and decided to visit Artemis. I knew that I would not be able to get to Artemis before 1900 hrs on Thurs 26 May, so booked the Novum Hotel Kronprinz Berlin for 1 night, as I knew I would not be leaving before 0300 hrs. Not bad for 55 per night. 10 min walk from Artemis. I reached Artemis around 1930 hrs and went straight to the wellness area in a attempt to find Nr. 71. I could not locate him and tried again a couple of time through the night, but wasn't able to meet. I hope Nr. 71 that you had a nice day at Artemis.
Girls I sessioned with.
1. Shanaaya from Turkey. Blonde. 168 cm. She reminded me of an ex. She was sitting looking bored next to the game machines. Nice to talk to and agreed to start the session in the kino downstairs. Took out a few wet-wipes and polished my tool to ensure that it was worthy to go into her very sanitary mouth. Average BJ, but she did agree to get on her knees on the floor and take me deep inside her mouth. Moved to the room where her attitude just got a bit short. Don't touch or finger my pussy. Cowgirl and reverse cowgirl was 5 min each. "I am tired, you do something now" and then "Enough of this, I'm getting tired", when I was the one pumping her doggy-style. In the end, I just wanted to end the session, so told her to give me a BJ, which was 90% a HJ and then some licking. Finally she poured some oil on my member and I finished. Some of my spunk hit her cheeks and maybe her hair and she gave me an annoyed look. I said " You had my dick in your hand and knew I was going to shoot. Why are you looking at me as if I am the one who deliberately gave you a facial". Anyways I looked at my watch, 20 minutes since I sat down in the kino. I wanted to pay her and move on. The way I see this is that I wanted to have a session with a Turkish girl and now this is ticked-off my bucket list. Looks and body- 7.5/10. Service- 4/10. Would not recommend.
While I was resting in the wellness area, I met a fellow punter from Italy who was a newbie to Artemis. We had a nice conversation downstairs and at the bar. So Antonio, if you are reading this, I hope you reached your hotel safely. I also wish you good health and continued success at work.
2. Alisha from Hungary. Dark brown hair. 164 cm. Antonio and myself were having a drink at the bar upstairs. Both of us were resting after our first sessions and were surveying what was on offer in the room when Alisha came over and struck up a conversation. Quite flirty and offered Antonio and myself a MMF threesome. 60 e each for 30 minutes. So we got a decent sized room upstairs and went at it. For the next 30 minutes, Alisha had one dick in her mouth and one in her pussy at all times. Good suction during BJ, ready to change positions and was thrusting and grinding back enthusiastically during doggy. Looks and body - 7/10. Service - 9/10. Would recommend.
3. Francis from Columbia. Dark hair. 168 cm. Latina booty. Probably the highlight of the evening. Latina with good shaped fake tits and a bouncy bum which you see in some of those hip-hop videos. Antonio spotted her across the room and both of us went for it. Friendly chat sealed the deal and off we went for the second MMF threesome of the evening. 60 e each for 30 minutes. Pounding that ass was something that I quite enjoyed. She was open to try as many positions as we wanted. Great session. Looks and body - 8/10. Service - 9.5/10. Would recommend.
4. Erika from Slovakia. Light brown hair. 164 cm. I was done by this point. Balls and brains completely drained. It was around 0230 hrs. I knew that no way in heck would I be able to get anything from this session but Antonio was keen to try Erika before we left for the night. So I did a newbie mistake and decided to go straight to the room. What followed was a sub-par toothy BJ, mechanical sex, no enthusiasm shown towards trying to make us cum (in the end neither of us managed to cum). It didn't help that we mentioned to her that she was the 4th session of the night, which she took as her excuse / getaway card, knowing that she did not need to do anything and it would be easy 120 e. Up-sell on [CodeWord105] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord105), which neither of us were interested in. Looks and body - 6.5/10. Service - 3.5/10. Would not recommend.
On a side note.
A) Kissing is extra. All the girls I sessioned with and a couple of others who I chatted with said Kissing / FK / DFK was an extra. Anywhere from 20 to 40. I did not notice this in my previous visits and most of the girls I sessioned with did kiss to some extent and it was never an extra. While I was sitting at reception talking on the phone, a guy mentioned the exact thing to the thekefrau and she just shrugged it off saying that this is upto the girls if they want to charge extra or not. So clearly there are no house rules on this. 60 gets you a BJ and normal sex for 30 minutes. Everything else is extra.
B) Be careful in the shower. A combination of soap scum on the floor and slippers with no grip meant that I took a nasty fall and hit my head. Knocked the wind out of me and I had to delay my second session for an hour on account of this.
C) Food has gotten worse. Not that it was great to begin with, but it's worse now IMHO. I had to rely on fruits, soup, juice and energy bars that I took with me to get me through the night.
D) More 7's and 8's rather than 9's or 10's. I don't think I need to elaborate on this.
Photographe
05-29-16, 21:03
I was in Artemis a couple nights this past week. As others have said, it feels like the club has gone downhill somewhat. Especially if you are not a regular at the club, there is a lot of aggressive hard-sell behavior from the girls (and upselling in the room). Because I am probably nice to a fault and don't want to come across as a jerk, I end up going along with some of this and spent far more money in a couple nights than I had any real business doing. For the same amount of money I could have had a few really top-class escort experiences, but it's hard to think in rational terms when you are already horny in the club and a girl starts reaching under your robe.
Anyway, the service was good from the girls I did see. They are just aggressive negotiators now. You have to be willing to be firm in saying no or you will get in deep as I did.
Camilla (Brazil). Large breasts, nice butt, curvy girl with a warm personality and a good sense of humor. Only been at Artemis a couple months I think (if I remember right). But is not new to the scene overall. I saw her solo the first night, then in a threesome the second night and later on again that second night solo once more. Good service, nice girl to be around, always laughing.
Violeta (Hungarian, if I remember right? Dark hair, very nice natural body, sweet personality. I was only with her in the threesome with Camilla, but I would have liked to have seen her solo sometime as well.
Amira (Moroccan / German). Amira was a delight. She is a knockout physically and mentally. Easy to talk to, smart, understanding. While we did negotiate a price beyond the typical rate for an hour, it included DFK and top-level service all around. She was completely up front about it and we agreed to everything in the room beforehand. No regrets, other than only seeing her once, since she wasn't working the other day I was there!
It's a shame I didn't spot Ella on Wednesday. Saw her twice last year and very memorable, very active in the room, feels like real GFE.
Otherwise I also was on the lookout for Shaz, but did not see her either night. Perhaps she has moved on from Artemis. I hope she's doing well, wherever she is now.
I myself may not be back to Artemis again, either. I think the charm and novelty of the FKK atmosphere has worn off on me. The club feels smaller and less populated, and the girls I found appealing enough to go to the room with were the exception to the rule, unfortunately. A lot of girls just were not that appealing (either because I did not find them particularly attractive, or because of their transparently sharky attitude). The variance in pricing now also leads to a lot less certainty of what you'll get and for how much, which means I'd rather budget for sure things rather than gamble on the Artemis lineup.
But still, all that having been said. I did have a good time. It just felt a bit like the end of something for me, personally.
BookKeeper
05-29-16, 22:23
No tattoos, no fake boobs. Just pure beauty / model / sweet look. She get snapped up pretty fast usually. If she is in the house, you will not miss it. She makes heads turn.
Good luck!
OK, so she is blonde and not brunette, then it is new girl. I got to seek for tall blonde Hungarian then LOL.
This tall blonde one has any tattoo? Big tits? Silicone or?
Nooky Ninja
05-30-16, 13:38
No tattoos, no fake boobs. Just pure beauty / model / sweet look. She get snapped up pretty fast usually. If she is in the house, you will not miss it. She makes heads turn.
At Pharisaer. As you are the talent meister, the Duden of Damsels, please put us out of our misery. Cannot take much more of could be this, could be that, Ninja think it is Christina (usually with glasses). OK but YMMV.
I think Artemis will rebound, but it is hard to tell when.
- Some new girls might be reluctant to start working at Artemis because of the recent news stories. So recruitment has fallen.
- Some girls at Artemis in affiliation to the guys in that last article might be long gone or out of the picture for various reasons.
- As the club is not allowed to set rules for the girls any longer, the girls themselves has to discuss and come up with rules good enough to tempt new customers to come. Picky customers like most in here who has the option to go elsewhere where the fruits are hanging lower will demand just as much as before and that include less sharkiness or upsells.
I think Artemis will rebound, but it is hard to tell when.
- Some new girls might be reluctant to start working at Artemis because of the recent news stories. So recruitment has fallen.
- Some girls at Artemis in affiliation to the guys in that last article might be long gone or out of the picture for various reasons.
- As the club is not allowed to set rules for the girls any longer, the girls themselves has to discuss and come up with rules good enough to tempt new customers to come. Picky customers like most in here who has the option to go elsewhere where the fruits are hanging lower will demand just as much as before... and that include less sharkiness or upsells...Yes, there are many alarming reports about Artemis after police raid. It make me want to avoid Artemis as I am fly in monger.
Facility wise, I like Artemis the best, but I am not in FKK for faculty, I am mainly in FKK for good LU, service and no canning by girls, so if that is lost, then there is no reason for me or any experienced monger to go to Artemis anymore as we have other FKK to go to.
I am tempted to try out for myself, but flying into Berlin as base point for mongering can be risky as there is only Artemis. So it maybe better to fly into Frankfurt as base point for mongering and fly into Berlin for one day or two to check for my self, police raid really messed things up for many mongers.
It was not just the police raid though. Artemis has slowly been heading this way for 2 years now. The raid just sped it up a bit. But it could still turn around. I hope.
I still manage to always find girls there to go with, but its less overwhelming in options than it used to be.
Hessen Bub
05-31-16, 12:00
Artemis for me has always meant lower service level and higher prices than Oase, Sharks or World. And that has nothing to do with the raid. I'd put it on a similar level as Palace regarding line up structure and service. Also I can't see what is so great about its hardware, major part of the building is 10 years old and needs refurbishment. Food is awful. Service at the bar also. No air to breathe in the main room. But that's just my opinion.
HB.
It was not just the police raid though. Artemis has slowly been heading this way for 2 years now. The raid just sped it up a bit. But it could still turn around. I hope.
I still manage to allways find girls there to go with, but its less overwhelming in options than it used to be...Yeah it was not just police raid, it was more like platoon came and get Osama bin laden the second or something LOL.
Artemis was becoming bit like sister club of palace, a lot of up selling and service not following up with older line up comparison to 2010, 2011, 2012. From 2013. Artemis begin to decline with older LU.
Member #4469
05-31-16, 13:20
Hello fellow mongers! Some reflections from Sunday and Monday.
Plenty of customers on Sunday a bit less on Monday. There was good numbers of girls both days and as usual they come in all different shape and form so there is really something for everyone. For me the LU was very good I even had to skip a few girls I would love to fuck! More or less all the familiar faces was there and some new as well.
Food as always hit and miss on Sunday they had a barbecue in the outside area so it was ok on Monday they had chicken leg with fried rice or pasta and some strange stew, edible but not more I would say. But as others before me have reported about there are plenty of restaurants close by, if you like asian food like I do take a taxi to Kantstrasse and you have lots of good options available.
For me it looked as business as usual! As Pistons and others stated before the girls have more freedom for example they don't have to stay to 5 am if the club is empty and that is a good change I would say. When it comes to fixed prices on different services, that's when it could be a bit of a problem for some people I guess. But it's not rocket science just as before you should always talk with the girls before you take them to the room, that has been echoed here for years and for a good reason!! Ask the girl what she like and if there is something she doesn't like! It's quite simple really, you need to communicate to other human beings!
Of experience, if you act in respectful manner are kind to the girls you will get good service 90% of the time IMHO.
Sunday,
First session Aksena, Bul.
Blonde about 30 years? Modest silicones C-cup, been with her before so no surprise, great BBBJ skills, tight pussy and lots of DFK. Great performer, perfect start on this Sunday! Highly recommended!
Second session Kisha, Ger / Bra late 20's?
Killerbody! Brown curly hair, perfect set of silicones the-cup had her coming hard in DATY that really sat the mood on her giving me a great GFE experience. Highly recommended!
Third session Sheenya, Rom.
Long black curly hair probably in her early 30's? Modest silicones, I have been with her a few times before so I receive the GFE-experience perfect BJ-skills, she is very sweet and nice to talk with. Highly recommended!
Monday,
Arrived as early as 12:30 had some breakfast and catch some sun outside before the thunder and lightning later that day.
First session Kisha had to repeat her and she didn't disappoint me, on the contrary this session was even more passionate, as said highly recommended!
Second session Zuma? 22 year old Thai-girl with small tits, one is pierced, beautiful face, fitness-ass! Not really sure of the name.
Had a great time with this thai-girl she has a sense of humour, really tight body not GFE but some light kissing. Highly recommended!
Third session Desiree, South Africa.
Early 30's? Black girl with silicones, she was like a wild animal in the room totally GFE with lots of BBBJ, DATY. Highly recommended!
Fourth session Amira, Mar / Ger.
Mid / Late 20's really beautiful face with stunning long hair, nice natural tits, I had have my eyes on her before but never had a session with her so when she confronted her I did unfortunately the rookie-mistake and not talked enough with her before taking her to the room. We had a good time, she is very easy to talk to and is very outgoing. But we never really had any chemistry, and she was trying to sell GFE-experience for 200 1 hour, I don't think I will repeat.
Fifth session Akira, Thai.
I was ready to leave when this stunning girl was coming down the stairs, I had seen her earlier in the day but she was always busy. This was the best session these days, supercute girl with firm silicones with face like a doll, she was very passionate in the room starting with DFK to set the tone of this perfect hour, I made her come three / four times in DATY before she performed a memorable BBBJ and sex. She was very gentle during the whole time. If it wasn't for it was my 5th pop of the night I would have extended several hours with her. Most highly recommended!!
I had a very good time at Artemis this time around, all sessions is 1 h I suspect that helps the service level for some girls!?
I read that Pistons thinks it's less overwhelming then it used to be and I agree, but I think it's mainly because both you and me have done this for so many years so in a weird way it feels normal to see so many naked girls, It's not!! And maybe also because we have seen many of the same girls naked for years now. Just a thought!
Member #4469
05-31-16, 13:41
Artemis for me has always meant lower service level and higher prices than Oase, Sharks or World. And that has nothing to do with the raid. I'd put it on a similar level as Palace regarding line up structure and service. Also I can't see what is so great about its hardware, major part of the building is 10 years old and needs refurbishment. Food is awful. Service at the bar also. No air to breathe in the main room. But that's just my opinion.
HB.Hello HB,
I have no idea how often you visit Artemis but the fact that you get higher service level at Oase, Sharks & World is probably because you visit them frequently!? I myself have only been in Frankfurt once but since I was the new face at Oase and Palace I had an awful time and will probably don't be back any time soon. For me in Oase and Palace the ladies was very aggressive and sharky and couldn't take no for an answer IMHO. When I was a newbie in Berlin 7-8 years ago I had a few bad experiences but nothing like Oase and Frankfurt and I think it's mainly because there are many more customers at Artemis, the girls simply don't have to be so aggressive.
Like you I also think the air in the main room is awful, and service in the bars could be better apart from that and the food I like the layout at Artemis, but each to their own!
Happy hunting!
SuppenHuhn
05-31-16, 15:25
@Hessen Bub,
I have complete other experiences. Artemis is Club in Germany with the various lineup. In World and Oase all women are from the same type: Romanian, black hair, no tattoos and silicone, for me just horrible. In Artemis you have many German girls, also Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Turkish, Asian, blacks, Slovakian and so on. The girls in world and Oase are so boring.
And the Artemis club is ten years old but do you want to tell me that Oase or World is better? Oase is absolute terrible inside, OK outdoor is much better. World is also a Club where the 81 er didn't invest the last years. Have a look on the saunas and the. The advantage is the outdoor area.
OK the good is awful in Artemis I agree. In world it's much better.
The real problem for Artemis could be the new freedom for the girls incl. The price structure. But this problem is a problem for every club for the future.
I have to support you on the vanity point Toxeh. Every club gets less exotic the more you go there. Its a red line going on these forums that the more some poster has visited a certain club, the more jinxed he becomes towards stating that the club has deteriorated. For me the only exception to that rule was Oase, which I think is 500 times better now 2016 than in 13/14.
And also, the more frequent you go there and know the girls, the better the service. By the way, you did hit two of my Artemis favourites too: Aksena and Sona (the thai 22 yrs old), so I know why the positivism. Hehe.
The club is not bad, but it has 150 girls sometimes and the largest club in Germany, so it should always have more beauties than clubs with 50,60 or 70 girls in west Germany. But right now, its just an equal to some of the west German clubs. That's my main point if not my only viable point I suppose.
FlyByCable
05-31-16, 19:07
Can anyone say if the Polish girl named Sandra still are working at Artemis?
I'm going to take a visit at Artemis maybe next weekend, I had a great time with her last year and I really hope to see her once again.
Second session Zuma? 22 year old Thai-girl with small tits, one is pierced, beautiful face, fitness-ass! Not really sure of the name.Suna or Soona. Not 22 yrs at all, but recommended.
Can anyone say if the Polish girl named Sandra still are working at Artemis?Sandra's still there. Nightshift.
Member #4469
05-31-16, 20:44
Suna or Soona. Not 22 yrs at all, but recommended.Her words not mine! But she is maybe lying that little c**t!! LOL, No but seriously she is well recommended very good performer.
Suna or Soona. Not 22 yrs at all, but recommended.
Sandra's still there. Nightshift.Sunaree is a real Thai name so Soona / Suna could be a short form.
Sunisa is another Thai name. However short form would probably be just Saa.
Hessen Bub
06-01-16, 18:09
@Hessen Bub,
I have complete other experiences. Artemis is Club in Germany with the various lineup. In World and Oase all women are from the same type: Romanian, black hair, no tattoos and silicone, for me just horrible. In Artemis you have many German girls, also Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Turkish, Asian, blacks, Slovakian and so on. The girls in world and Oase are so boring.
And the Artemis club is ten years old but do you want to tell me that Oase or World is better? Oase is absolute terrible inside, OK outdoor is much better. World is also a Club where the 81 er didn't invest the last years. Have a look on the saunas and the. The advantage is the outdoor area.When was the last time you've been to World? Sauna is new, main bar area is brandnew, outside are being refreshed.
I don't like silly cones or painted / pierced bodies. I like natural girls. I don't care about nationalities, I care about looks and service. So Oase, World or Sharks are best options for me. No need to go to Berlin for me for mongering.
HB.
Hessen Bub
06-01-16, 18:11
I myself have only been in Frankfurt once but since I was the new face at Oase and Palace I had an awful time and will probably don't be back any time soon. For me in Oase and Palace the ladies was very aggressive and sharky and couldn't take no for an answer IMHO. I am by no means a regular to Artemis and will never be.
You chose the wrong clubs in Hessen. Palace is similar to Artemis. Oase can be for newbies. Tourist traps. Try World or Sharks and you will have a far better experience.
HB.
PussyLiccker
06-02-16, 00:14
Newb is sombody that has not experienced various venues. Until you have ventured out to well reputed clubs for service, you will be limited on experiences, and therefore have any relative idea to guage services. Or be considered reputable to be taken serious under my books in regards to rating service.
I agree with HB on Artemis. If Artemis is what is considered the only experience, you have experienced nothing yet.
For me, NRW is the definitive punting region to gain any relative idea of services. Until then, yall can go back and forth with the "considered" big popular clubs, and I'll be getting spoiled with better and better experiences.
London Traveller
06-02-16, 00:30
Well, I went back to this place after about a year and can report that nothing much has changed. Girls are the same, as is the food. I enjoyed the outdoor area in the warm weather.
Member #4469
06-02-16, 02:34
Newb is sombody that has not experienced various venues. Until you have ventured out to well reputed clubs for service, you will be limited on experiences, and therefore have any relative idea to guage services. Or be considered reputable to be taken serious under my books in regards to rating service.
I agree with HB on Artemis. If Artemis is what is considered the only experience, you have experienced nothing yet.
For me, NRW is the definitive punting region to gain any relative idea of services. Until then, yall can go back and forth with the "considered" big popular clubs, and I'll be getting spoiled with better and better experiences.Hello PL,
It feels like your post is pointed in my direction? Maybe I'm mistaken?! I actually started to laugh if you think I have limited experience in this great hobby! If it's me you referring to!? I have actually been doing this for over fifteen years and I have not reported on half of the places I have been visited over the years, so i think i am entitled to rate service and LU. I don't want to start a pissing-contest but the only difference between your close to 3000 posts and my 145 is that I don't have the same interest as you to post various posts with zero information and misguided criticism because i don't share the same views as other forum members...
Member #4469
06-02-16, 02:40
I am by no means a regular to Artemis and will never be.
You chose the wrong clubs in Hessen. Palace is similar to Artemis. Oase can be for newbies. Tourist traps. Try World or Sharks and you will have a far better experience.
HB.If I go back to the Frankfurt-area I will definitely visit Sharks, World seems a bit to long way to go with taxi!? Artemis is IMHO a much better & friendlier place than Palace.
Kind regards Toxteth.
The thing with Artemis is that it sometimes feels like the UN of FKK's. Sure there are lots of tats, and half the girls would fit into palace well. But the other half comes from all sorts of other FKK's, Spain, London escorts etc etc and bring with them their values from those places. So generalizing a club after the 50% 'palace-like' girls is a little off target. Artemis has two faces. The amount of girls there hold up that distinction. Perhaps it is more two to one, but nonetheless, the top performers at Artemis are also some of the best I've ever met.
The only thing the nrw clubs have that Artemis and Hessen clubs don't is the meticulous training. . which the girls sometimes bring with them. But if you really want trained girls, there are some places in Asia that takes it to the extreme, try those.
To me, the training is less important. The important thing is the connection I get with the girl... and with that normally comes service.
StrikeFour
06-02-16, 21:04
How much do they charge for a rim job (on me)?
Member #4585
06-03-16, 01:13
How much do they charge for a rim job (on me)?You will have to ask the girl since some girls will not do it and some girls who do it may not do it for all guys. Then when you find a girl willing then the prices vary from nil to something a bit more. If the service is paid for then work on 50 euro as a standard.
How much do they charge for a rim job (on me)?Most girls only offer fingers for 50 extra. Hardly many girls who would do a rimjob, as they see that as much less clean. Which it is.
Hessen Bub
06-03-16, 07:45
The only thing the nrw clubs have that artemis and hessen clubs don't is the meticulous training. . which the girls sometimes bring with them. But if you really want trained girls, there are some places in asia that takes it to the extreme... try those.. lol
Training? To sell extras? To rip off tourists? The perfect fake orgasm? The best blowjob? How to make Asian come in 95 seconds?
HB.
The perfect fake orgasm? The best blowjob? How to make Asian come in 95 seconds?
HB.1 and 2 yes (Asian girls in general can't do good BJ's though. Too small mouth.). 3 is more global wouldn't you say? Jk, seen Asian guys fuck in FKK's before. Publicly, and there its more the guys lacking passion than the girls. Dunno if all are like that though.
Nooky Ninja
06-03-16, 20:29
1 and 2 yes (asian girls in general can't do good bj's though. Too small mouth.). 3 is more global wouldn't you say? Jk, seen asian guys fuck in FKK's before. Publicly, and there its more the guys lacking passion than the girls. Dunno if all are like that though.W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F ...
A long time ago, this was once Artemis thread.
So, what did you buy at the supermarket?
Cherries?
You know, its cool with that word game of yours. If you narrow the margins on the side in your browser, you can actually see that you are writing WTF after a few lines, and not TFW or FWT. Kinda neat.
SuppenHuhn
06-03-16, 20:53
At Hessen Bub.
My last visit to World was too years ago. The saunas were very bad this time and also many the outdoor couches were broken. Some weeks ago some friends visited World but they were so unsatisfied with the these things that they left the club after two hours. OK they are used to Harmony, Seevetal, level. But World is except for the weekends in a crisis, sometimes a dead club. And sorry most of the girls are so boring and can't speak German. Please read in German forums for more details.
Artemis on the other hand has better furniture. OK some couches in the wellness area could be new but the main part is OK.
DethManRulz
06-03-16, 21:20
I've never been to artemis on a Wednesday, but it's looking like I may have no choice or risk just not going at all. For those who have been there on a Wednesday. Are the ladies very covered? Are they all covered or do some still wander around naked? I love seeing the goods beforehand.
Thanks!
London Traveller
06-03-16, 21:41
I've never been to artemis on a Wednesday, but it's looking like I may have no choice or risk just not going at all. For those who have been there on a Wednesday. Are the ladies very covered? Are they all covered or do some still wander around naked? I love seeing the goods beforehand.
Thanks!I think you shouldn't bother going. The girls will benefit, however, from having their tattoos covered up.
1 and 2 yes (asian girls in general can't do good bj's though. Too small mouth.). 3 is more global wouldn't you say? Jk, seen asian guys fuck in FKK's before. Publicly, and there its more the guys lacking passion than the girls. Dunno if all are like that though.Not me, so not all LOL.
Asian girls, well I never went with any Asian girls in FKK as they are all ugly ones in FKK, but I spoke to few at the stairs of Artemis and they were good hearted girls, but ugly, well some guys like that kinda Asian girls.
However, here, I fuck some porn stars and some Eurasian girls and they can suck good and use tongue well, if not I fuck their face like gagging style, then their tight mouth is good, got to gag their mouth like woodman style LOL.
Having said that, I went with one Asian girl before in FKK and that was in Artemis, her name was Phoebe and she was half Vietnamese and half German, she seemed new and very young. She gave good sessions, but I caught her new to the club last autumn, so she seemed like she did not know what she was doing, so she got my woodman style LOL The thing is she did not take shower after my session as I stayed around the stairs and she walked right back into main bar, then after like 5 minutes or so, she went to room with other punter.
Eurasians are hot, but when it comes to other Asians, I only porn stars.
I've never been to artemis on a Wednesday, but it's looking like I may have no choice or risk just not going at all. For those who have been there on a Wednesday. Are the ladies very covered? Are they all covered or do some still wander around naked? I love seeing the goods beforehand.
Thanks!I like to see her nipple shape, tits forms, pussy etc. Before I go to room, so Wednesday is not for me, but if you got fetish for lingerie or taking them off, then you may like it. For me it is avoid night.
Mr. Ho: Sona is pretty hot. Guessing you haven't met her yet then. BJ is good too actually. But I was answering more about Asians in Asia. Somehow Asians in the west seems to have had some larger meals before, so their mouths are wider. Or perhaps its a cultural thing.
Mr. Ho: Sona is pretty hot. Guessing you haven't met her yet then. Bj is good too actually. But I was answering more about asians in asia. Somehow asians in the west seems to have had some larger meals before, so their mouths are wider. Or perhaps its a cultural thing :)Yeah Asians in European brothel are mostly not to my taste, but it suit some white folks. When I went to monger in manila, all the western guys go for typical local girls and I go only for Eurasian girls, so it suit my demand fine as it does not collide LOL.
In Artemis, there was a girl named Phoebe last November, she was half Vietnamese, half German and German born and raised, very beautiful looking girl. It was her first day and she was lost, so I took her for one hour and I was lucky to do whatever I wanted LOL I did it Pierre woodman style LOL.
Anyways Phoebe was the only Asian (Eurasian though) girl I went to room with in German FKK.
DethManRulz
06-04-16, 10:41
I like to see her nipple shape, tits forms, pussy etc. Before I go to room, so Wednesday is not for me, but if you got fetish for lingerie or taking them off, then you may like it. For me it is avoid night.So what you're saying, is that literally none of the girls are naked right? They all have to dress up? Unfortunate.
So what you're saying, is that literally none of the girls are naked right? They all have to dress up? Unfortunate.On lingerie night, girls wear lingerie, yes. Some guys like it, not me.
ShoesAndSocks
06-10-16, 22:48
Visited on a Wed in early June. If I hadn't been aware of the raid, I'd have thought little had changed since previous visits in 2012, 2013 and 2015.
Ladies
Keisha (GER / BRA) Thanks to those who recently recommended this lovely little lady. I wouldn't have wanted to miss her sublime BBBJ.
Priscilla (GER) Big busty blonde Berliner. Very interesting & subtle leopard-print tattoo-ing a very rare case for me where tattoos add something. Decent enough English, and great fun to play with. Another wonderful BBBJer. Sort of lady I go to Artemis for. Similar to Holly in that respect for those who know her.
Both negotiated pricing based on EUR 60 per 30 minutes of BBBJ & sex, with GFE / kissing a one-off EUR 50 extra per session (i.e. better value the longer you go), and CIM a EUR 50 extra (per shot for you younger studs, definitely a one-off for me). On reflection, next time I'd do all the negotiating prior to going to the room, as I wonder how you stand if negotiations break down to the point you don't want to proceed at all after committing to a room?
Both were very fair on time, and 30 minutes now actually seems to mean 30 minutes which wasn't always my experience in the past.
LU is very varied which I always appreciate. Plenty I wouldn't think once about, but there was easily twenty I would have been very happy to consider. I found it very quiet up to around 5 pm, but after that it was the usual bustle of circulating girls amongst lots of guys hanging around the stair well.
Impressions
Pleasantly surprised by a lack of sharkiness that had been the mild irritation of previous visits. A few intros were abruptly curtailed when I didn't show interest, but gone were the really offensive drive-by-shooting style of approaches. I got the impression the ladies were a happier group - maybe due to "winning" more flexible working hours and the chance to increase earnings?
Food served for dinner was fine by me. Service of drinks more the problem very hard to end up with a full glass of not-flat soft drink with some ice no matter how you ask for it. I like it when the self-service drink fountains near the outdoor pool are open. At least you get a full glass.
I was also surprised to find the ladies were very unruffled by the raid and any potential consequences. Whether this optimism is justified, time will tell.
Some of the rommies that were missing the last time I was there a few weeks ago were more the sharks at the club. Maybe those were the girls with affiliation to that network that was discussed in that newspaper article. So they didn't like their jobs at all.
Too bad the replacements didnt look so good. And the bad PR doesnt help with recruitment. But time heals all wounds right? Lets hope...
Visited on a Wed in early June. If I hadn't been aware of the raid, I'd have thought little had changed since previous visits in 2012, 2013 and 2015.
Ladies
Keisha (GER / BRA) Thanks to those who recently recommended this lovely little lady. I wouldn't have wanted to miss her sublime BBBJ.
Priscilla (GER) Big busty blonde Berliner. Very interesting & subtle leopard-print tattoo-ing a very rare case for me where tattoos add something. Decent enough English, and great fun to play with. Another wonderful BBBJer. Sort of lady I go to Artemis for. Similar to Holly in that respect for those who know her.
Both negotiated pricing based on EUR 60 per 30 minutes of BBBJ & sex, with GFE / kissing a one-off EUR 50 extra per session (i.e. better value the longer you go), and CIM a EUR 50 extra (per shot for you younger studs, definitely a one-off for me). On reflection, next time I'd do all the negotiating prior to going to the room, as I wonder how you stand if negotiations break down to the point you don't want to proceed at all after committing to a room?.Good to know, on the way!
Did you see Carrie (Bul)? Is she still around? I met her last year and it was great.
Visited on a Wed in early June. If I hadn't been aware of the raid, I'd have thought little had changed since previous visits in 2012, 2013 and 2015.
Ladies
Keisha (GER / BRA) Thanks to those who recently recommended this lovely little lady. I wouldn't have wanted to miss her sublime BBBJ.
Priscilla (GER) Big busty blonde Berliner. Very interesting & subtle leopard-print tattoo-ing a very rare case for me where tattoos add something. Decent enough English, and great fun to play with. Another wonderful BBBJer. Sort of lady I go to Artemis for. Similar to Holly in that respect for those who know her.
Both negotiated pricing based on EUR 60 per 30 minutes of BBBJ & sex, with GFE / kissing a one-off EUR 50 extra per session (i.e. better value the longer you go), and CIM a EUR 50 extra (per shot for you younger studs, definitely a one-off for me). On reflection, next time I'd do all the negotiating prior to going to the room, as I wonder how you stand if negotiations break down to the point you don't want to proceed at all after committing to a room?l.
ShoesAndSocks
06-12-16, 20:02
Did you see Carrie (Bul)? Is she still around? I met her last year and it was great.Not one I remember meeting.
Member #4469
06-12-16, 23:08
Did you see Carrie (Bul)? Is she still around? I met her last year and it was great.
She was working 29th of May. She had changed her hair-colour, almost blonde this time! Beautiful as always
She was working 29th of May. She had changed her hair-colour, almost blonde this time! Beautiful as alwaysShe can't be much around though. I don't think I've seen her on my last 4 Berlin visits. So since last year pretty much. Any idea whats keeping her away? Or is she just taking a leave all the time untill her money is spent up again? Ashame since she's a clear 10 in looks...
Member #4469
06-13-16, 01:37
She can't be much around though. I don't think I've seen her on my last 4 Berlin visits. So since last year pretty much. Any idea whats keeping her away? Or is she just taking a leave all the time untill her money is spent up again? Ashame since she's a clear 10 in looks...I go to Berlin 5-6 times every year, most times I stay between Sunday-Wednesday she has actually been there on all my last visits the last year so maybe she prefers working those days? She is one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in any club, so I guess we share the same taste.
I go to Berlin 5-6 times every year, most times I stay between Sunday-Wednesday she has actually been there on all my last visits the last year so maybe she prefers working those days? She is one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in any club, so I guess we share the same taste.Thank you very much. So I try it on a Sunday next time.
I go to Berlin 5-6 times every year, most times I stay between Sunday-Wednesday she has actually been there on all my last visits the last year so maybe she prefers working those days? She is one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in any club, so I guess we share the same taste.Ok, so she probably stays in Berlin all the time then, but takes off 2-3 random days per week. Maybe I did see her once in Feb. When I come to think of it.
Carrie is the second most beautiful girl I think I seen in my life, the first is heaven also from Artemis. Last time I seen Carrie was last year but it's good to read she's still around. Might help me book a ticket faster LOL.
Well I do realize I am so fucked up my self from normal society point of view that I am not in position to judge bishops or judge.
However fucked up I really am when it comes to my beautiful prostitute hobby. I see normal people more fucked up for marrying and by doing so they are paying millions to fuck middle age women over and over for rest of their life. Isn't this more fucked up? It is to me.
Oh it is love?? It must be, other wise these married type who think I am fucked up have more fucked up taste in sex for having fetish of fucking middle age women called wife for millions of dollars. For me this is real fucked up and Sado Mazo. Fucked up LOL LOL.You are blabbering about this over and over again, it's just sad. Girls and physical pleasure are fun, but there are lots of other values in life. One does not contradict the other, so just go visit a shrink already.
You are blabbering about this over and over again, it's just sad.Here's my how-to-deal-with-it. Just follow these small steps. Six steps. One great experience.
First. Look at the upper left corner of your internet browser. There's a small red ribbon, titled "Welcome, Pheebo". Got it? Great. Here's step two.
Second. Search the word "Settings". Eight white letters on a red ground. Got it? Great. Klick it. And follow me to step three.
Third. It's getting a little bit more difficult now. Some sex advertising (Huh!) should flicker at the left side of your browser. Just beneath the ad you'll find some small boxes. Got them? Yeah, you're one of the best. Step four is on the way.
Fourth. Three small boxes. The lower one will lead us forward. Got it? Wow! Step five.
Fifth. The lower box ist titled "My Settings", isn't it? Look at this box. Look out for the words "Edit Ignore List". Klick the sentence. No fear, my dear, we're mostly done. Step sex. Argh. Sorry, step six. My mistake.
Sixth. Just follow the instructions repeated here: "To add a user to the list, enter their name into the empty text box and click 'Okay' " Note: the correct spelling is "Mr Ho". Type the name, click "Okay". That's it.
Six steps. One great experience: No blabbering again. It's so simple, isn't it?
Nooky Ninja
06-18-16, 17:04
Here's my how-to-deal-with-it. Just follow these small steps. Six steps. One great experience. No blabbering again. It's so simple, isn't it?Genius stuff. Like always.
But it only works if you are constantly logged in. Ninja not...too afraid of wives and grandmother.
BackpackBrian
06-18-16, 17:21
I'm planning another trip to Artemis and I was wondering if anyone uses their own condoms? I purchased some ultra-ultra thin condoms from online and they are much better then the ones provided in the club. When should I ask the girl, should I just pull it out in the room and lay it on the bed, ask her before the room if I can use it, show her in the room, etc? Any advice would be helpful here.
Wolvenvacht
06-18-16, 18:26
I'm planning another trip to Artemis and I was wondering if anyone uses their own condoms? I purchased some ultra-ultra thin condoms from online and they are much better then the ones provided in the club. When should I ask the girl, should I just pull it out in the room and lay it on the bed, ask her before the room if I can use it, show her in the room, etc? Any advice would be helpful here.If it is a big issue for you, then you better discuss it before you go to the room.
Nooky Ninja
06-18-16, 18:37
Anyone uses their own condoms? Any advice would be helpful here.This is trust issue. All girls know of stories of weird psycho guys (yes they exist) who punch pin holes in condoms. So best is to feel way in the room, and carry in safe, strong looking protection cordura pouch like small coin or card holder. This help with trust. Generally not a problem, but each girl different. Also maybe first time, you have 4 or so, and let her select, also help trust.
German brand Billy Boy make very good, non-latex polyurethane condom come in kind of individual shallow "jam" container. Very very sensitive, easy to put on, though more expensive like Eur 2,35 each. You find in DM drug stores in Berlin. These much better than plastic bag house standards. Condoms suck, but disease suck much worse.
Buck Rogers
06-19-16, 09:17
Well I can confirm there are cases of overpricing. Like extra for licking and kissing or just a higher price for the time.
Of course this might be exceptions but I suggest you make sure of the prices and what they include before going to the room. I'd actually prefer not to do that (the point of FKK was standard prices) but it might be a necessity, at least when trying new girls. With girls I've been already I don't ask and I just do the usual.
Also line up the end of this week was underwhelming for me (number and quality wise), I don't know if it is temporary or what.
ShoesAndSocks
06-19-16, 20:05
Well I can confirm there are cases of overpricing. Like extra for licking and kissing or just a higher price for the time.
Of course this might be exceptions but I suggest you make sure of the prices and what they include before going to the room. I'd actually prefer not to do that ...Can't think of it as overpricing any more. Those days are gone, and girls have a legal right to charge what they like for the services they are happy to provide.
But, we will always have the right of refusal, so yes, negotiate from a position of strength, which is before making any move towards the room.
It does take a bit of the fun out of it, but such is life.
Just got back from one week of Artemis.
Boss apparently is still in custody, but things are back as almost normal.
Service level was almost same or same as before and to me no up selling in room, some girls kiss and some don't like before, but in general service level was within satisfactory and I never heard girls charging extra for DATY, kissing I hear sometimes, but with those girls who do not like to kiss, it is better not to pay up and force it as it won't be satisfying. Over all service quality is higher than palace, lower than sharks, so same as before the raid.
Good change is that girls tend to take polite no thank you from guests more politely. Meaning before, even I react politely and refused, I often got yanked at or thrown some bad attitude when I refuse to go to the room with girls, but during this visit, girls were all so nice when I refuse to go to room with them. This for me was something new and positive change in this 7th years I been to Artemis.
LU are more or less the same, but with much less younger girls and not much new girls to LU. Artemis need to fix the LU situation as I see some faces for way too long and they are above 30 or even 35, they need to add more younger girls to LU.
Girls seems to work more freely with time and there are some girls in club who only work based on appointment only with clients they choose, so those girls are rarely seen in main bar area as they only come down when she has her appointment with the client and the main bar is the meeting spot.
Other than that, not much changed to Artemis and things are same as before, I just feel LU should refresh up a bit as it is about time for some older girls of Artemis to move on. And welcome some girls in to LU of Artemis.
Can't think of it as overpricing any more. Those days are gone, and girls have a legal right to charge what they like for the services they are happy to provide.
Sure we can think of it as overpricing. Just as much as the girls can name their own prices, we can call it just what we want. Overprice normally refers to over the range we are willing to pay. And as the girls themselves at Artemis has a loose agreement of sticking to the old prices, asking for more is deffinately over the old range.
Just gotta fish around a bit to find the right girls at Artemis. There are some of the girls trying to lobby all the others to rise the prices. But then about half, or over half the girls doesnt care what they say. Less customers for the overcharging girls...
If it gets too bad, just go to other clubs. So far it is still livable. At least for short stays...
Sure we can think of it as overpricing. Just as much as the girls can name their own prices, we can call it just what we want. Overprice normally refers to over the range we are willing to pay. And as the girls themselves at Artemis has a loose agreement of sticking to the old prices, asking for more is deffinately over the old range.
Just gotta fish around a bit to find the right girls at Artemis. There are some of the girls trying to lobby all the others to rise the prices. But then about half, or over half the girls doesnt care what they say. Less customers for the overcharging girls...
If it gets too bad, just go to other clubs. So far it is still livable. At least for short stays...I strictly chooses girls I go with, so I only went with 5 different girls, 4 being new to me and I can confirm that prices are the same as before and there were no upsell to me at least during one week in Artemis. One of them was Ro too LOL.
Girls somehow seems happier and took no thank you very nicely comparison to before as well, this I noticed very much.
So Artemis is same as before the police raid and all good beside line up. Line up need more younger girls.
I follow with my eyes most girls in main bar etc and I rarely see those older girls taking clients to the rooms. I think it is about time for them to move on to different kind of club where there are demand for them.
Too many older girls at Artemis right now.
Please remind me, are there any magazines in the club, or I should bring some read material with me? I think I've seen some magazines downstairs, but that's been over a year ago and now I'm not sure.
Please remind me, are there any magazines in the club, or I should bring some read material with me? I think I've seen some magazines downstairs, but that's been over a year ago and now I'm not sure.You'll find some magazines downstairs, right. But it's german stuff, and it's a very small choice only. Maybe it's a good idea bringing your own. Most guys do so.
FormulaOneFan
06-23-16, 02:09
You'll find some magazines downstairs, right. But it's german stuff, and it's a very small choice only. Maybe it's a good idea bringing your own. Most guys do so.Any pushback on ereaders? Not ipad / tablet that has color screen, but an e-ink kindle or other. I meant to try last trip to Germany, but kept leaving it in the room.
Any pushback on ereaders? Not ipad / tablet that has color screen, but an e-ink kindle or other. I meant to try last trip to Germany, but kept leaving it in the room.I've never had trouble concerning my Kindle, neither inside nor outside.
FormulaOneFan
06-24-16, 02:33
I've never had trouble concerning my Kindle, neither inside nor outside.Excellent. Thanks. I don't read german and as much as I enjoy watching naked ladies, sometimes reading helps pass the time between sessions.
So, I am visiting Artemis for the first time in the next month. I don't really speak very good German, will I still get on OK or would I struggle a bit? I am hoping that most of the girls will speak enough English that I will be able to get by.
Hessen Bub
06-26-16, 16:30
English is perfectly ok with the girls and staff.
HB.
Are the girls in reception naked / sexy clothed? Or they rather look like girls in hotel's reception?
Are the girls in reception naked / sexy clothed? Or they rather look like girls in hotel's reception?LOL.
Hotel receptionist in casual clothes and mostly old LOL Believe me you would not want to take them to rooms even they pay you 60 euro per 30 min LOL.
However, they are nice people and helpful at least with my experience.
DethManRulz
06-29-16, 03:26
Are the girls in reception naked / sexy clothed? Or they rather look like girls in hotel's reception?Hotel reception.
FormulaOneFan
06-29-16, 06:45
Save your attention for the girls past the reception.
You will likely pass by some WGs on your way from the reception desk to the shower room. The money lockers are in between.
Save your attention for the girls past the reception.
You will likely pass by some WGs on your way from the reception desk to the shower room. Just ask one of them for a blowjob to get you started.True, the sooner you start fucking, the more times you can fuck.
Member #4399
06-29-16, 19:49
LOL.
Hotel receptionist in casual clothes and mostly old LOL Believe me you would not want to take them to rooms even they pay you 60 euro per 30 min LOL.I wonder at your knowledge. On several occasions I have been welcomed by a most beautiful theke. Late twenties, long blonde hair, friendly.
I would take her to a room anytime.
Member #4399
06-29-16, 19:54
I am hoping that most of the girls will speak enough English that I will be able to get by.There's always enough girls that speak English. But not all of them. In my experience, there's more English speakers outside summer time.
A few words of German might please that one girl you like so much. So just try.
I wonder at your knowledge. On several occasions I have been welcomed by a most beautiful theke. Late twenties, long blonde hair, friendly.
I would take her to a room anytime.Well that is why I put mostly. I know the one you are talking about, I did not see her during this visit and also last November.
Yeah, I think I know the one you are talking about, I did not see her naked before, so I cannot say I will take her upstairs even if she is working girl. She is bit too short for me, though somehow reminds me of Marketa kinda direction.
I really choose who to go to room with.
Member #4399
06-30-16, 18:54
I did not see her naked before, so I cannot say I will take her upstairs even if she is working girl. So, that's why you prefer Artemis. Seeing her naked before sex. Not a bad choice.
She is bit too short for me, though somehow reminds me of Marketa kinda direction.That cannot be the one. She is 1.70 plus without heels.
I really choose who to go to room with.You mean to say that you pick the girl and not vice versa. We have things in common.
There's always enough girls that speak English. But not all of them. In my experience, there's more English speakers outside summer time.
A few words of German might please that one girl you like so much. So just try.Been there 6 or 7 years, I never met any girl who does not speak English to the level where we cannot communicate. I think we have been going to different club LOL.
Nooky Ninja
06-30-16, 22:16
There's always enough girls that speak English. But not all of them. A few words of German might please that one girl you like so much. So just try.A few words of Romanian would please more.
Yeah, I think I know the one you are talking about, I did not see her naked before, so I cannot say I will take her upstairs even if she is working girl. She is bit too short for me, though somehow reminds me of Marketa kinda direction.Hmm, the receptionist looking like Marketa is fairly new isn't she? Like just 2-3 months since she started? Otherwise I have no idea which one you mean. I was so let down when I realized she was just a receptionist as I first met her in the resturant. She's even hotter than that bartender who quit last year... :/
I mean, wtf? Doesn't girls these days wanna do a normal job any longer? LoL
Hmm, the receptionist looking like Marketa is fairly new isn't she? Like just 2-3 months since she started? Otherwise I have no idea which one you mean. I was so let down when I realized she was just a receptionist as I first met her in the resturant. She's even hotter than that bartender who quit last year... :/
I mean, wtf? Doesn't girls these days wanna do a normal job any longer? LoLWell now, it is all old or let say older for some manner and respect and believe me man, you do not want to take them to rooms even if they are available.
Except for two staffs, they are all old crew that I have seen for few years.
Unfortunately it goes same for most LU. Artemis has fresh girls that changes but this is like 35 % of LU or even less. 65 % of LU are same for few years and some girls has been there since day one I went to Artemis in 2009 or 2010.
I understand the diversification of LU, but now some girls are way too old like over 35 and really fat. Those belong to not FKK, but should belong to local brothel. I think it is about time for them to move on to brothel and replace them with younger LU, then this club is perfect both LU and facility.
Staffs great people, but I never looked at them as should I take them to room if they are working girl LOL.
So, that's why you prefer Artemis. Seeing her naked before sex. Not a bad choice.
That cannot be the one. She is 1.70 plus without heels.
You mean to say that you pick the girl and not vice versa. We have things in common.OK it is different blonde one as she was like 160 with high heel She was cute though.
Right, I never went to rooms with girls who approaches as they do not fit my type, but I must say one thing, every time I refuse politely, some of them curse at me as they walk away, not this is significantly less and they are nice even you refuse them when they approach, I really notice this difference after the raid, how it is related is big question for me.
Member #4399
07-01-16, 15:33
Been there 6 or 7 years, I never met any girl who does not speak English to the level where we cannot communicate. I think we have been going to different club LOL.Gia from Moldova, Olga from Poland and Helen from Moldova I think, told me they didn't speak English. To my memory there were more of them but cannot remember all the names.
The last time I was there I met an Arabian French girl. It was German or French she told me.
My command of German is only slightly inferior to that of English (conversation, forget about speaking it perfect). So of course girls may have told me they didn't speak English. Just to be able to speak a language that is easier to them.
Member #4399
07-01-16, 15:35
but I must say one thing, every time I refuse politely, some of them curse at me as they walk away, not this is significantly less and they are nice even you refuse them when they approach, I really notice this difference after the raid, how it is related is big question for me.Exactly the opposite here. I never had any trouble before the raid. Last time their attitude was horrible.
Gia from Moldova, Olga from Poland and Helen from Moldova I think, told me they didn't speak English. To my memory there were more of them but cannot remember all the names.
The last time I was there I met an Arabian French girl. It was German or French she told me.
My command of German is only slightly inferior to that of English (conversation, forget about speaking it perfect). So of course girls may have told me they didn't speak English. Just to be able to speak a language that is easier to them.Only girl I had difficulty communication was in Oase with one Hungarian girl there. In Artemis I never had any problem communicating in English, just with masseuse down stairs Haci may he rest in peace, though I did somehow communicate with him with hand gesture LOL.
For me even I was just there 7 times, but full 7 days after the raid, attitude got much better when I politely refuse them.
Either way we are there to fuck, not to talk, so as long as service is promising, then it is all OK and service was as it was before the raid, but someone mentioned that boss was back, but I hear from many sources that he is still detained and I did not see him all 7 times, I hope popo will release him soon.
Wolvenvacht
07-02-16, 08:23
just with masseuse down stairs Haci may he rest in peace, though I did somehow communicate with him with hand gesture LOL.That is my worst nightmare: a massage boy that wants to communicate with hand gestures!
Gia from Moldova, Olga from Poland and Helen from Moldova I think, told me they didn't speak English. To my memory there were more of them but cannot remember all the names.
The last time I was there I met an Arabian French girl. It was German or French she told me.
My command of German is only slightly inferior to that of English (conversation, forget about speaking it perfect). So of course girls may have told me they didn't speak English. Just to be able to speak a language that is easier to them.Gia speaks English.
Is Lucy, Hun still working there? I saw her at the last week of March this year pre-raid. She is a small blond girl with a piercing above her mouth?
Might attend a 1 day conference in Berlin next month, would like to know if it would be worth to ninja over to Artemis mid day.
Thanks for any info.
Is Lucy, Hun still working there? I saw her at the last week of March this year pre-raid. She is a small blond girl with a piercing above her mouth?Don't remember exactly. I've had a chat with her in early May or so. That's all. Sorry.
Gia speaks English.I second that. She spoke English just fine with me. She also speaks perfect Spanish. But forget language, she is great in bed! She's playful, easy going and does her job very well.
Is Lucy, Hun still working there? I saw her at the last week of March this year pre-raid. She is a small blond girl with a piercing above her mouth?
Might attend a 1 day conference in Berlin next month, would like to know if it would be worth to ninja over to Artemis mid day.
Thanks for any info.I saw her in mid July, but she did not have piercing above her mouth, she is blonde, but dyed blonde right?
BackpackBrian
07-03-16, 17:24
I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50? I'm sure she will scream and yell. What happens if you just explain to her that she didn't provide any services that cost extra (ex. CIM, anal, etc.) and you thought DFK was included? Has anyone tried this tactic on the WG's? Does it work? Will you get kicked out of the club, beat up by her pimp, etc.
Made my trip to Artemis after many years. Reached there at 3 pm. Got approached by a duo, Maya. Hungarian brunette, and a blonde - forgot her name. Didn't take them up on their offer as I wanted to wait after having seen the line up. The LU wasn't very good, in fact worst of all the clubs I visited this time. I was standing near the stairs occasionally to see the girls going up to the room. Saw a good looking blonde talking on the phone for an extended time. Later got approached by the beauty and another tall girl. Found out they were Germans but I chose to have a session with first girl only, Anya.
Anya offered brief LFK, DATY, BBBJ, 69, DATO, sex in MPOS. I had to book her for one hour for all these goodies. Found out that she worked at other clubs including GT NRW. I came early at around the half hour mark and she avoided all contacts after that and we spent rest of the time chit chatting. Not really GFE but an OK experience but she has a very pretty face and a beautiful body.
Anya is one of the better new additions this year (if not the best new. Or shared top with another german I cannot recall the name of). She is really a nice person that is easy to like. Hard to get the real GFE with her, but easy to become a friend with her and she has a warm heart.
BackpackBrian
07-03-16, 19:34
I'll be in Berlin in late August. Can I get Viagra from the WG's in Artemis? Or if I ask around do you think some of the other mongers might have some and be willing to share or sell some to me?
Member #4399
07-03-16, 19:38
I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50? I'm sure she will scream and yell. What happens if you just explain to her that she didn't provide any services that cost extra (ex. CIM, anal, etc.) and you thought DFK was included? Has anyone tried this tactic on the WG's? Does it work? Will you get kicked out of the club, beat up by her pimp, etc.Why don't you try it yourself and then report to us about it afterwards. By the way, the price for half an hour in Artemis is 60 euro.
I saw her in mid July, but she did not have piercing above her mouth, she is blonde, but dyed blonde right?I think she is a natural blond. She usually wears some type of bottom like a jean short shorts or a short jean skirt. She said she is 24 but looks like 18-20.
Artemis again after staying away for half a year. It was a Tuesday night, I arrived at about seven and the choice of girls was underwhelming. Just as last time I couldn't find any of my favorites, and on top of that I was repeatedly pestered by a very annoying Bulgarian shark with hideously fat silicone lips. She just wouldn't take no for an answer and kept seeking me out, going on with her "why not?" and "why are you so cold, you're like you are from Germany, Germans are cold!" and so on. I hate that fucking attitude!
Anyway, after a couple of hours the number and quality of the girls started to go up and I chatted with a few nice girls and was getting prepared to start up the action and seek out one of them again to take to the room, when I suddenly ran into an old friend, the blond and petite Mandy from Austria (once known as Daniella). Some chatting and a couple of laughs later we went to one of the downstairs rooms, and the session that followed was simply great! Intense sloppy licking (could have my nose pressed against that pussy and ass all day), 69 and slow sensual fucking in several positions. This girl has a really tight pussy and just being inside her without even moving feels fantastic! Came hard.
After this some smoking in the lounge, showering, sauna and half sleeping by the pool. I started to notice that the number of girls compared to men was getting really high. A slow night with few customers, no doubt due to the fact that Germany was playing one of their European Championships games. In any case, the naked ladies circling the central stairs were getting increasingly desperate as the hours went by.
Before the night was over I grabbed Mandy for no less than two more sessions with some resting in between, so in total three with one and the same girl.
To conclude, a great one-girl night with a somewhat shaky (sharky) beginning.
Member #4469
07-03-16, 22:31
Has anyone seen Aileen or Aliv (not really sure of the name) from Hamburg (Tur / Ger) fitness body with enhanced tits, long black hair lately??
And Thai-girl Akira is she still around? Had a great time with these ladies in the past, highly recommended!
Has anyone seen Aileen or Aliv (not really sure of the name) from Hamburg (Tur / Ger) fitness body with enhanced tits, long black hair lately??
And Thai-girl Akira is she still around? Had a great time with these ladies in the past, highly recommended!Aileen and Akira are both around.
I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50? I'm sure she will scream and yell. What happens if you just explain to her that she didn't provide any services that cost extra (ex. CIM, anal, etc.) and you thought DFK was included? Has anyone tried this tactic on the WG's? Does it work? Will you get kicked out of the club, beat up by her pimp, etc.I would strongly advise you not to try this if you ever want a good time in the club. Firstly, you should tell the girl that DFK is not extra. Extras are, as you say, anal and CIM or if you want something else. Domination, rimming (some girls will do it for extra). Kissing (LFK or DFK) is not extra and girls should not be trying to upsell it. Though I know they do. So why do I advise against you pulling this stunt? Because I can guarantee that even if you get away with it the girls will quickly discuss what you did and you will find trouble getting all but the most desperate girls to room with you. It is also very possible that the girl will go to reception, tell them that you offered to pay more for a lot of DFK, that they did it based on your promise, and that you won't now pay. I would not be surprised if you were asked to leave the club.
The old saying "two wrongs don't make a right" come to mind. The girl should not be asking for money for DFK, but pulling a stunt to punish her for doing so is probably worse. I know regulars are against tipping by tourists as it just raises expectations, but when I've come across girls who attempt to upsell DFK I tell them that I won't pay for it as it is meant to be included but I sometimes tip girls who are very good in the room including DFK. If asked how much the tip is I say that will depend on performance. It is surprising how many girls then make a lot more effort to provide a great session. Naturally then the tip should follow as promised. Whilst I agree that tipping in general is not to be encouraged, if you are with a particular stunner, want long time with her and want her to give 120% it's worth it sometimes. Sex with a stunning model like girl for 60 eruos for 30 minutes is very cheap.
ShoesAndSocks
07-04-16, 02:42
I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50?
Firstly, you should tell the girl that DFK is not extra ... Kissing (LFK or DFK) is not extra and girls should not be trying to upsell it ... but when I've come across girls who attempt to upsell DFK I tell them that I won't pay for it as it is meant to be includedThis just isn't the reality of Artemis post-raid as I experienced on a recent visit. There is no longer a standard club rate of EUR 60 (note that figure vanished from their website shortly after the raid) and no standard service. When I entered, reception told me all services / rates had to be negotiated with each girl, and this was certainly the way it worked out.
The girls have the right to offer whatever services they like at whatever rate they choose. We have the right to accept / refuse / negotiate, but you can't demand anything "should be" or is "meant to be" provided at a certain rate. Most seemed to be sticking with EUR 60 for BBBJ and sex, but that's simply their choice. So, I recommend doing all your negotiating in the lounge before you head off to a room and the clock starts running.
As for accepting DFK as a service at Artemis, it's very much YMMV in terms of quality, and my advice would be to decline, as it most often ends up as LFK at best and a very token effort at worst.
PussyLiccker
07-04-16, 09:41
I do not see the rates on webpages for most clubs. Doesn't mean the standard rate isn't what it has been in the past. There are clubs I attend that the rate has not changed and still standard. Pretty much all clubs are, dunno about Artemis. There are clubs with rates on the wepage and a price list at the club. Still pretty straight forward. I ask the regulars when I'm not familar with pricing.
AColonizer
07-04-16, 13:40
In any negotiations, we negotiate a set of services at a defined price.
The problem is often, and in any place in the world, prostitutes don't fulfill the negotiated service because money is paid in advance.
Therefore, when customers go in a closed place as a club / brothel, they pay all money in advance, there is not a list of standard services and customers have no way to dispute the service, then this means doubles that club / brothel promotes frauds and scams!
The rate and service remained more or less the same after the raid, I was there last month 7 days and it was as it was.
Of course some DFK some do not, it is up to us who we choose to go with, all clubs are like this beside Globe Zurich.
This just isn't the reality of Artemis post-raid as I experienced on a recent visit. There is no longer a standard club rate of EUR 60 (note that figure vanished from their website shortly after the raid) and no standard service. When I entered, reception told me all services / rates had to be negotiated with each girl, and this was certainly the way it worked out.
The girls have the right to offer whatever services they like at whatever rate they choose. We have the right to accept / refuse / negotiate, but you can't demand anything "should be" or is "meant to be" provided at a certain rate. This is really interesting and could have benefits as well as downsides. I'm there in a couple of weeks time and this new "everything is negotiable" policy will suit me fine as I don't like short room times and for me to be able to say I'll do 30 minutes for 60, or 60 minutes for 100 or 90 minutes for 140 is a benefit. Even if I do the usual 60 for 30 minutes to see if the girl / chemistry is working, it is still a really good bargaining position to be in instead of the fixed price policy in every other FKK club. In the past if I'd offered less for long time I would have been laughed at. Now I can say it's all negotiable and if the girl wants to say no that is up to her. In days gone by if girls did negotiate others would complain if they found out as it was considered unfair. Should be fun and add a bit of spice to the lounge discussions.
This is really interesting and could have benefits as well as downsides. I'm there in a couple of weeks time and this new "everything is negotiable" policy will suit me fine as I don't like short room times and for me to be able to say I'll do 30 minutes for 60, or 60 minutes for 100 or 90 minutes for 140 is a benefit. Even if I do the usual 60 for 30 minutes to see if the girl / chemistry is working, it is still a really good bargaining position to be in instead of the fixed price policy in every other FKK club. In the past if I'd offered less for long time I would have been laughed at. Now I can say it's all negotiable and if the girl wants to say no that is up to her. In days gone by if girls did negotiate others would complain if they found out as it was considered unfair. Should be fun and add a bit of spice to the lounge discussions.Hey PayForIt.
You should try and negotiate a pay per minute service. If a girl cheats you out or wants to finish early, just say you were only in here for 25 minutes so 50 Euros. The Anal pay per minute rate would be higher, of course. For a long session, the girl will make 220 Euros per hour, same as before, but if she tries to cheat you, then pay her 3. 67 Euros per minute up to a maximum of 220 Euros. Fair is fair. LOL.
FiddyCent.
ShoesAndSocks
07-05-16, 02:17
The rate and service remained more or less the same after the raid, I was there last month 7 days and it was as it was.
Of course some DFK some do not, it is up to us who we choose to go with, all clubs are like this beside Globe Zurich.I agree. On all my pre-raid visits I encountered girls who ignored the EUR 60 for 30 mins and pitched their own price package, so it isn't a huge change for us.
It's always been and still remains a case of spying one you like, and then finding out how she operates.
I would rather not have to negotiate. I just find it a hassle in what should be a simple pleasure.
BackpackBrian
07-05-16, 02:52
This just isn't the reality of Artemis post-raid as I experienced on a recent visit. There is no longer a standard club rate of EUR 60 (note that figure vanished from their website shortly after the raid) and no standard service. When I entered, reception told me all services / rates had to be negotiated with each girl, and this was certainly the way it worked out.
The girls have the right to offer whatever services they like at whatever rate they choose. We have the right to accept / refuse / negotiate, but you can't demand anything "should be" or is "meant to be" provided at a certain rate. Most seemed to be sticking with EUR 60 for BBBJ and sex, but that's simply their choice. So, I recommend doing all your negotiating in the lounge before you head off to a room and the clock starts running.
As for accepting DFK as a service at Artemis, it's very much YMMV in terms of quality, and my advice would be to decline, as it most often ends up as LFK at best and a very token effort at worst.Thanks for the advice. I'll make sure to do all the negotiations before I go to the room. It's what I usually do. About the price being taken down off the website after the raid. It's probably because of the laws stating you can't set prices and the girls are independent contractors who can charge what they want, even though there is discussion about what will be charged beforehand.
BackpackBrian
07-05-16, 03:01
This is really interesting and could have benefits as well as downsides. I'm there in a couple of weeks time and this new "everything is negotiable" policy will suit me fine as I don't like short room times and for me to be able to say I'll do 30 minutes for 60, or 60 minutes for 100 or 90 minutes for 140 is a benefit. Even if I do the usual 60 for 30 minutes to see if the girl / chemistry is working, it is still a really good bargaining position to be in instead of the fixed price policy in every other FKK club. In the past if I'd offered less for long time I would have been laughed at. Now I can say it's all negotiable and if the girl wants to say no that is up to her. In days gone by if girls did negotiate others would complain if they found out as it was considered unfair. Should be fun and add a bit of spice to the lounge discussions.The only problem with your so called open market is that in a short period of time, girls rate will start to inflate to market value ( 60 Euro for 30 min), soon it will be 100 Euro for 30 min then in 6 months it will be 110 Euro for 30 min, etc, etc. You see this in the brothels in Nevada where fat, ugly older aged women start their services at $300-$400, some more and a few are less. It's my opinion that the market rate at $60/30 min is under the market value, it has to be. I've been going to Artemis and FKK's for 10+ years and the prices haven't ever changed or gone up!
NOW I'm all in favor of an open market, I'm a capitalist here in the USA, but I do like the system in Germany with fixed prices for FS, keep the socialist sex trade in Germany the way it is and I'm good to fly over there 2-3 times a year.
The girls at artemis have a loose agreement among themselves to stick to the old prices. Lets hope it last. I am sure they have to see it as keeping up the reputation of their club as well.
The girls at artemis have a loose agreement among themselves to stick to the old prices. Lets hope it last. I am sure they have to see it as keeping up the reputation of their club as well.I mean they are already charging 10 euro extras per 30 min than any other clubs in Germany.
Either way, we can just go to other clubs if they begin to change something drastically like price they already are charging more than other clubs.
Current prices are good enough and I hope girls have enough brain to realize that they already are charging more than other clubs and offering same or worst service and LU are same or worst than other clubs in Germany.
I mean they are already charging 10 euro extras per 30 min than any other clubs in Germany.
Either way, we can just go to other clubs if they begin to change something drastically like price they already are charging more than other clubs.
Current prices are good enough and I hope girls have enough brain to realize that they already are charging more than other clubs and offering same or worst service and LU are same or worst than other clubs in Germany.I completely agree. I do understand the risk of inflation set out by BackpackBrian. But I think it is unlikely to happen. Whilst Artemis has a monopoly in Berlin (ergo risk of inflation due to closed market) the girls know that a high percentage of the clientele are foreign tourists who will simply fly to other destinations all over Germany to engage their needs. The Club would only be attractive then to locals, and given the weakness of the LU, the recent raid and the high entry cost (80 being the highest I've paid in any German FKK) increasing the prices to $300-400 would just kill the club off. The girls are not stupid. They know what the market will stand. The fixed pricing is of course not possible to enforce post raid as it was one of the reasons given for the raid in the first place. That the girls are no more than employees and not independent if they are restricted on price and services. So the notion of sticking with the fixed rate is not viable. Albeit that the girls may, amongst themselves, agree it. I actually wonder if there may be a greater risk of this going the other way. And for the less attractive girls to now feel free to offer much cheaper sessions. That would be entirely fair of course. That the price reflects demand. The prettiest sexiest girls being able to charge higher than 60/30 as they can get it and the less glamorous ladies having to offer discounts to attract trade. Now that really would be an open market!
Different price for different girls are not the way. Not in europe at least as our mentality is of socialism. Besides it could lead to too many other variations like Dutedarc described in another thread here. If they start with that, then I'm off. The top Artemis girls are real top notch. Top 5 or so. But I hardly ever see all of them at the same time. And options are fading and ageing.
It was better last year with Jayda from Stuttgart and a few others, but have anyone seen her lately?
Artemis again after staying away for half a year. It was a Tuesday night, I arrived at about seven and the choice of girls was underwhelming. Just as last time I couldn't find any of my favorites.One more thing, about those absent favourites. Even though I actually did manage to find one of them later that night (see my report below), there were a couple of girls that I had really hoped to meet: Does anybody know if Romanian Antonia (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) and / or Spanish Alessandra (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) are still working at Artemis? I hope so, I really miss them, especially Antonia. Any intel on them would be much appreciated!
I completely agree. I do understand the risk of inflation set out by BackpackBrian. But I think it is unlikely to happen. Whilst Artemis has a monopoly in Berlin (ergo risk of inflation due to closed market) the girls know that a high percentage of the clientele are foreign tourists who will simply fly to other destinations all over Germany to engage their needs. The Club would only be attractive then to locals, and given the weakness of the LU, the recent raid and the high entry cost (80 being the highest I've paid in any German FKK) increasing the prices to $300-400 would just kill the club off. The girls are not stupid. They know what the market will stand. The fixed pricing is of course not possible to enforce post raid as it was one of the reasons given for the raid in the first place. That the girls are no more than employees and not independent if they are restricted on price and services. So the notion of sticking with the fixed rate is not viable. Albeit that the girls may, amongst themselves, agree it. I actually wonder if there may be a greater risk of this going the other way. And for the less attractive girls to now feel free to offer much cheaper sessions. That would be entirely fair of course. That the price reflects demand. The prettiest sexiest girls being able to charge higher than 60/30 as they can get it and the less glamorous ladies having to offer discounts to attract trade. Now that really would be an open market!I mean if girls begin to abuse this already premium entrance price and also premium 10 euro plus fee per 30 min session comparison to other FKK and begin up sell more and provide bogus service even you agree to up sell price, then they will lose big chunk of business as we simply go to other FKK in Germany where there are few FKK within close range of the city.
Also up sell is annoying and even they charge more to provide empty promise to the money they charge, then pro mongers will just go to Globe Zurich where the service is guaranteed by the club for charging higher price than FKK in Germany, this is very Switzerland, you pay more, but service is guaranteed. In German FKK, up sell by girls often end up in bogus empty promise.
I have bought up sell before and I had best experience sometimes, so if girls can guarantee they will deliver I do not mind mild upsell, but this is where difficulty begin to kicks in.
In the end, it is human related service business so we just got to know what we are doing and also we just got to be lucky.
Artemis just need to freshen up LU with more younger girls. Up sell at Artemis is not that bad though.
BackpackBrian
07-06-16, 06:33
What I hear from other mongers is that, well, it won't happen, it won't go up that high ( 100/30 min) or if it does Artemis mongers will just go to other clubs! What I think is easily overlooked is with an open market price creep starts relatively slowly, similar to raising taxes (ex. Lets just raise the taxes a little bit! So next month we might have only a 5-10 Euro increase for 30 min. And then in 1 year it will be another 5-10 Euro. And if you think it will only be at Artemis you are surely wrong. It will happen at all FKK's. Once the word gets out, which would be within hours, all clubs will increase their prices. All clubs already coordinate how much to charge, that's why all clubs cost approximately $50, with Artemis being the exception, charging 60. Before you take your next trip in two years you be looking at a standard 115 Euro /30 session standard cost. Maybe I'm venting here for nothing! Just want to make sure the prices stay at the point where I can keep doing this for a very long time and not spend a small fortune doing it.
AColonizer
07-06-16, 18:40
I have read the second post and I can't continue reading.
I wonder the reason men forgot sex market and sex service were and are paid on a time unit. Within a time unit, customers can ask everything, and I mean everything, to a prostitute. If a prostitute can't or doesn't fulfill the ordered service, then she returns the money as soon as possible. I say, prostitutes in the past USSR were usually paid at the end of the service, when customers were happy of her service, and this rule was a warranty of satisfaction and professionalism. I say, I had some experiences of this kind. And I know men who are getting this kind of service by Slavic prostitutes in Western countries. Therefore, it is still possible to get an incredible service at a honest price even nowadays!
Instead, when prostitutes talk about the time and irrespective of customers' satisfaction, then this means just one result: a scam! It is not necessary any experience to understand this behavior, since this rule is common in any kind of business in any kind of place in the world!
Moreover, if you still think prostitutes are the weakest link in the sex market, then you shouldn't pretend to ignore prostitutes buy any kind of narcotics and they re-sell them to their customers, and they search and promote new girls to transform in prostitutes. At the end, women exploit other women and they make them drug addicted!
Hey PayForIt.
You should try and negotiate a pay per minute service. If a girl cheats you out or wants to finish early, just say you were only in here for 25 minutes so 50 Euros. The Anal pay per minute rate would be higher, of course. For a long session, the girl will make 220 Euros per hour, same as before, but if she tries to cheat you, then pay her 3. 67 Euros per minute up to a maximum of 220 Euros. Fair is fair. LOL.
FiddyCent.
Does anybody know if Romanian Antonia (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) and / or Spanish Alessandra (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) are still working at Artemis?After a longer period of absence, Antonia returned in early summer.
Backpackbrain: hardly. The prices won't get that high. The German market is so saturated above and below this price range that rising prices are very difficult. Don't forget that you don't just only have other FKKs to think about, but all other sorts of competitions too. Like red light districts 25 e a session, AO clubs, strip clubs etc etc. And then there is the abroad competition. Now 60 e I can probably see it rise to in western Germany, but there there are so many clubs, and smaller FKK's too, so you have a hard drag downwards. The smaller FKK's not being mentioned here are sometimes much preferred among the local Germans. Just heard from one guy that he normally prefers Feigenblatt to any of the larger Hessen clubs and its cheaper. The larger FKK's are much more tourist destinations, and the market is global. Nobody would go to Germany if the price of a session was 80e+ for 30 minutes. At least I wouldnt.
Unemployment is high in europe, and globally unemployment is rising. What do you think will happen to the sheer number of prostitutes in 10 years globally? I can even see prices in Asia falling drastically again after the recent years ludicrous price hikes in some markets over there. And china could always open more up to prostitution too in a political decission change...
Or consider the sharing economy moving onto prostitution like this on a more global scale:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/12/china-people-for-rent-startup-app-prostitution-social-networking-sex/
Most mongers I know that goes to Asia nowadays only use social networking. Even facebook is used to for hookups there at some locations. Wechat though makes whole china into a brothel now prostitution is more widely accepted in Asia than in the west, but there is a shift in the west towards accepting more and more prostitution also. In a generation I think we will be more like Asia. But it depends on the jobs market too perhaps. And religion. Islam could pose a threat. Like Christianity does in some countries like Italy, USA and Philippines but with the way the world is heading, politicians probably have to make a decision. More [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) like in India or some Muslim countries on the streets, or making prostitution legal. The economy and the introvert society does that.
Unemployment is high in europe, and globally unemployment is rising. What do you think will happen to the sheer number of prostitutes in 10 years globally? I can even see prices in asia falling drastically again after the recent years ludicrous price hikes in some markets over there. And china could allways open more up to prostitution too in a political decission change.
Or consider the sharing economy moving onto prostitution like this on a more global scaleI love this economy crisis, for me the worst economy get, better my mongering experience, so it serve me just fine.
Hessen Bub
07-07-16, 09:06
Within a time unit, customers can ask everything, and I mean everything, to a prostitute. If a prostitute can't or doesn't fulfill the ordered service, then she returns the money as soon as possible. Keep on dreaming.
HB.
Member #4581
07-07-16, 17:29
Hmm being a capitalist sometimes when it suits. It's a bit like being half pregnant, LOL. Ain't no such thing, either you are a free market guy, or you are not.
My sense is, when it comes to FKKs, most guys here are not pro free market.
Although, laissez faire capitalism simply implies free of government regulation. So, you can argue the club has the freedom to set their rules and girls and customers can take it or leave it. This is not a government imposed pricing. Of course, if the girls (and punters) don't agree, they can always go private where everything can be negotiated one on one.
But I agree with others that pricing at this time has little risk of going up, in this deflationary world we are living in at the moment. I again think some girls looked depressed due to lack of business, and if it was possible, they might give 35/40 min for the 50 euro at the hessen clubs (perhaps they already do this at Artemis, given the new pricing models) - why not? They are better off making some money, as opposed to sitting on their butt, or doing endless trips up and down the stairs with not much to show for the walking.
NOW I'm all in favor of an open market, I'm a capitalist here in the USA, but I do like the system in Germany with fixed prices for FS, keep the socialist sex trade in Germany the way it is and I'm good to fly over there 2-3 times a year.
Free market hardly exist anywhere. Free market was and always will be a rhetorical lie imposed by capitalists. Free market means perfect competition, and that always brings margins down towards zero. So free market is never existent in 99.99% of the cases. Google Adwords is the closest thing we have to a free market except for the fact that they actually do have a minimum price at 20 cent, sex advertisements being illegal and all sorts of algorithms being involved. But only between the actual advertisers it appears as a free market. In reality its fascist. Then Google on the other side has monopoly. Just like a communistic state.
Free market hardly exist anywhere. Free market was and allways will be a rethorical lie imposed by capitalists. Free market means perfect competition, and that allways brings margins down towards zero. So free market is never existant in 99.99% of the cases. Google Adwords is the closest thing we have to a free market except for the fact that they actually do have a minimum price at 20 cent, sex adverticements being illegal and all sorts of algorithms being involved. But only between the actual advertisers it appears as a free market. In reality its facist. Then Google on the other side has monopoly. Just like a communistic state...Well it is google that made me find out about FKK, so I got no problem with their monopoly LOL.
Up sell in Artemis is not that bad, those who like up sell, then go to Palace because that is where the war zone is for up sell LOL.
7 times I went to Artemis after June, I never faced up sell.
UltraHappy
07-07-16, 22:48
I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50? I'm sure she will scream and yell. What happens if you just explain to her that she didn't provide any services that cost extra (ex. CIM, anal, etc.) and you thought DFK was included? Has anyone tried this tactic on the WG's? Does it work? Will you get kicked out of the club, beat up by her pimp, etc.This tactic is dishonest and inappropriate. The solution is quite simple. You pay for what you agree to pay and you don't agree to anything that you aren't willing to pay for.
If she says that she will DFK you for an extra 50 and you agree, then you pay. If she says nothing and you DFK, and she later demands extra, then you pay nothing. If she refuses to DFK, this is her right and of course, you don't pay extra for DFK that you did not receive in this case.
Me, I never pay for DFK. A girl simply provides DFK or does not. If she provides me with DFK however, I am more likely to extend and / or repeat with her. So, in this way, my girls are incentivized to DFK (though not all may make this connection).
The standard club prices are simply the prices one pays when no other verbal agreement has been reached.
I mean they are already charging 10 euro extras per 30 min than any other clubs in Germany.
Either way, we can just go to other clubs if they begin to change something drastically like price they already are charging more than other clubs.
Current prices are good enough and I hope girls have enough brain to realize that they already are charging more than other clubs and offering same or worst service and LU are same or worst than other clubs in Germany.Too late. They're permabanned. Lots of options among the privats in Berlin.
FormulaOneFan
07-08-16, 02:52
I went to Artemis tonight, and honestly the upsell felt less than when I was there last year. I had a 1 HR session with a russian girl I had sessioned with previously, and while she did let me know the first 30 mins was almost up (it was, I had already checked my watch), there was no pressure from here. I extended (already planned too) and it was a great time. No upsell for DFK or DATY, just the usual information about extra charges for CIM, COB, anal, etc. No pressure for any of them, just laying out the menu.
My other 2 sessions were pretty SOP, but still no hard upsell. One girl simply stated she didn't DFK (not for extra $$, just didn't do it) and that was it. Not my favorite german club, but when in Berlin I guess!
Too late. They're permabanned. Lots of options among the privats in Berlin.Beside the LU of Artemis being way too old, fat and silicone for 60 to 70 % of girls, I am quite fine with the Artemis as up sell is mild and not too common at least with my experience.
What I meant is that if Artemis service / upsell get too much, fly in mongers can go to other FKK in other cities in Germany.
Girls at Artemis are not stupid as they look, so they are doing quite OK to have some kind of order for pricing still.
It is just line up at Artemis are really, it is getting too much how many of old fat girls hang onto bed of Artemis, it is time for them to move on to brothel and not FKK Artemis, they have been there for years and now they are fat and old.
FormulaOneFan
07-09-16, 04:17
Spent another night at Artemis. The fat and old contingent wasn't too bad either night. Friday was worse than Thursday with at least 3 completely unfuckable girls due to their girth, but there were many gems to be found. I'm terrible at names so won't even try, but I had 3 sessions, all good.
First. Brunette german girl who lives in Hamburg but works at Artemis every other week. Late 20's with very nice see cup enhanced breasts. I'm generally not a fan of fakes, but hers were a pair of the best I've felt and seen. Very nice 1 HR session.
Second. Spinner Ro with shoulder length brown hair and a super tight pussy. Was going to start in the cinema with a blowjob and then move to the room, but while she was fetching her bag another punter sat down on the same couch as me. I'm an exhibitionist to a point, but with a directly adjacent onlooker we moved to the room. Good 1/2 session with BBBJ and sex was great.
Third. Blonde german. Says she worked there previously for 2 years (quit 2. 5 years ago) and it was her first night back. Again with enhanced dee breasts that were not as nice as the first german girl's. But she was very pleasant to talk to and we had very good chemistry in the room. 1 HR session that was incredible. I was sure I wasn't going to be able to pop as it was last session and I've been mongering for the past 5 nights, but everything clicked perfectly. Great long BBBJ, 69, and then very passionate sex. As good of a GFE experience as I've had at an FKK.
There were at least 3-4 very attractive fit young ladies that I would put in the 8+ or 9 category, a load of 7-8's, smaller number of 5-6's, and then the dregs aforementioned. Didn't have an inch of upsell in any of the 3 sessions. First session I chose 1 HR upfront, second was no negotiation and finished under 30 mins with no upsell, and final session I wasn't watching the clock but we finished just before the hour was up. We even chatted in the room after which put us over the hour I'm sure, but no upsell or asking for more $.
Artemis isn't my favorite club, but despite the bad rap and definitely more 'touristy' environ than the big Hessen clubs, I had 2 very enjoyable nights.
Off to Frankfurt for 2 nights!
You basically pussied out because you had a watcher in the Artemis cinema? Don't be so introvert dude. Me and a few other guys once did an orgy (1 girl each, but simultaneously) in the Palace cinema with about 5-10 watchers. Just screw norms and do your thing. I'm sure you can think of some setting that could turn you on? Like the watcher being the idiot at school you fought with for this girl, or him being the husband of the woman while you get to fuck her. Or they only being wankers, while you fuck the prom queen. There are many options. Pick yours.
Spent another night at Artemis. The fat and old contingent wasn't too bad either night. Friday was worse than Thursday with at least 3 completely unfuckable girls due to their girth, but there were many gems to be found. I'm terrible at names so won't even try, but I had 3 sessions, all good.
First. Brunette german girl who lives in Hamburg but works at Artemis every other week. Late 20's with very nice see cup enhanced breasts. I'm generally not a fan of fakes, but hers were a pair of the best I've felt and seen. Very nice 1 HR session.
Second. Spinner Ro with shoulder length brown hair and a super tight pussy. Was going to start in the cinema with a blowjob and then move to the room, but while she was fetching her bag another punter sat down on the same couch as me. I'm an exhibitionist to a point, but with a directly adjacent onlooker we moved to the room. Good 1/2 session with BBBJ and sex was great.The third German girl you went with, was she from Berlin? And her name was Kimmi or Michele?
FormulaOneFan
07-09-16, 12:23
Yep, pussed out. Need to build to that level of exhibitionism. Have openly had sex in cinema before with onlookers, but not with a guy literally sitting next to me. Different strokes for different folks.
Yep, pussed out. Need to build to that level of exhibitionism. Have openly had sex in cinema before with onlookers, but not with a guy literally sitting next to me. Different strokes for different folks.If he was sitting that close, why not ask him to move a little?
FormulaOneFan
07-09-16, 22:15
The third German girl you went with, was she from Berlin? And her name was Kimmi or Michele?She was definitely from Berlin, but I have no idea what her name was. Like I said, I'm terrible with names unless I really work on it. Kimmie sounds somewhat right, but can't confirm. She has very fair skin and perfect very white teeth and brownish eyes. Excellent DFK as well; very passionate and intense.
FormulaOneFan
07-09-16, 22:16
If he was sitting that close, why not ask him to move a little?It was easier to just go to the room; not a biggie really. If my fantasy that night was to get blown / fuck in the cinema I would have.
I've fucked many times in the cinema at sharks and gt with other punters around, just wasn't feeling it last night.
at sharks tonight and lu seems weak for a sat....
BackpackBrian
07-10-16, 06:07
Can anyone tell me if this girl Ella, who is on the FKK66 website here http://www.fkk66.com/de/girls-details/?id=2670&active=1&period=&amid=girls.
Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago. Fake tits, said she was from Poland, but maybe lied to me so not sure.
AColonizer
07-10-16, 17:52
Very good post. Just an addendum: what people can't do in Christian Italy, instead it is possible in Muslim Dubai.
But I always wonder the reason women don't use the marriage as a financing tool. Most women in Western countries do that and men must subjugate to their wills, otherwise husbands lose house and children. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to work as a prostitute if it is easier to find a good boy who pays everything to his girl.
And it doesn't make sense to attend prostitutes if a boy gets married a honest and open-minded girl.
Maybe billions and billions people were wrong to have children with the wrong person? Maybe the relationship between a prostitute and a customer is more balanced than a relationship between a wife and a husband?
I had to modify the quoted message in order to publish my post.
Backpackbrain: hardly. The prices won't get that high. . . . The economy and the introvert society does that.
One more thing, about those absent favourites. Even though I actually did manage to find one of them later that night (see my report below), there were a couple of girls that I had really hoped to meet: Does anybody know if Romanian Antonia (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) and / or Spanish Alessandra (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) are still working at Artemis? I hope so, I really miss them, especially Antonia. Any intel on them would be much appreciated!I spent time with Antonia last week. She only works weekends now.
Can anyone tell me if this girl Ella, who is on the FKK66 website here http://www.fkk66.com/de/girls-details/?id=2670&active=1&period=&amid=girls.
Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago. Fake tits, said she was from Poland, but maybe lied to me so not sure.It is kind of hard to tell with that photo of only body and no identical tattoo etc LOL.
AColonizer: I agree. Now the war between the sexes has to end and society has probably got to become much more liberal for the majority to think that far. But it makes sense.
Hessen Bub
07-11-16, 08:41
Can anyone tell me if this girl Ella, who is on the FKK66 website here http://www.fkk66.com/de/girls-details/?id=2670&active=1&period=&amid=girls.
Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago. Fake tits, said she was from Poland, but maybe lied to me so not sure.Saw that girl at Artemis on July 2nd 2011 at Artemis. At 5:22 pm she was gaming out at the bar, having a latte.
HB.
ZimmerBaby
07-11-16, 12:47
Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago.I would definitely have remembered her if she did. My vote: no.
Closest I can think of is Maya, 160 cm, beautiful face, blond, natural tits, lovely ass, no upsells, pink pussylips like strawberry ice-cream (tasted even better) Btw; FKK66 is close to Dickenhardtstrasse, funny detail.
God I miss her.
Saw that girl at Artemis on July 2nd 2011 at Artemis. At 5:22 pm she was gaming out at the bar, having a latte. HB.That's really funny. I was there, too: July 2nd 2011.
Closest I can think of is Maya, 160 cm, beautiful face, blond, natural tits, lovely ass, no upsells, pink pussylips like strawberry ice-cream (tasted even better)And, that's really funny, too: I've seen Polish Maya that night: July 2nd 2011.
BackpackBrian
07-12-16, 07:48
That's really funny. I was there, too: July 2nd 2011.
And, that's really funny, too: I've seen Polish Maya that night: July 2nd 2011.I like all the responses. But I thought I would try and ask. I know the girl was Polish, she had fake tits with a vertical scar from a lift I believe. She also hung out with another Polish blond that I was told later left Artemis and went to Globe.
SuppenHuhn
07-12-16, 08:33
That's funny. I was there too. And I can remember to see Hessen Bub this day and also Maya.
So when are you lot going to throw a reunion party then? I am sure that if you announce it this Maya and others will also turn up. Because that's how it works right? Hehe.
I like all the responses. But I thought I would try and ask.Don't worry, it's the right place to ask. It's always worth a try.
I'm at Artemis these days and having some great sessions. Been to this place many times, but never in weekdays and this visit is among the best. I believe its about 2/3 girls these days, so Lots to choose from, its paradise. This makes business slow for some girls out of many tho, and you can feel their frustration when rejecting.
Annie from Bulgaria Brown hair to shoulders and German Georgina with a pigtail both petite girls with a very cute face, good sessions with CIM. Corina blond girl from Polen, 27 but looks younger again good session with CIM. Amy blond girl from Berlin, very Nice girl and good English, unfortunately I couldn't finish even tho she did make an effort. Georgina is hanging around with a girl with glasses and another with a Gun tattoo on her legs. Thinking of trying the gun girl tonight, hopefully she can make my small Gun shoot LOL.
And to those still wondering about the raid and future prices, its all same same. If Any want to heads up PM.
Member #4469
07-14-16, 16:15
Had two visits earlier this week, on Monday it was very quiet when I arrived at 5 pm, hardly any guests and maybe 25 girls. There were not any of my favorit girls visible early on so I decided to try Virginia, she has been around for years but we have never hooked up before, I guess she is from Romania? I didn't ask. Anyway she is a tall blond girl with big boltons, we started out in the cinema downstairs with some LFK and a good BBBJ before heading to the rooms, nice session to start with. We didn't really connect so will probably not repeat, but very friendly girl I would say.
The food on this Monday was awful but better on Tuesday with barbecue outside, number of girls picked up after 7 pm to 50-70 and many old favorites such as Iris, Carrie, Sheenya, Akira, Aksena, Samantha, Kisha just to mention a few of them. These days there were not many new faces around this could be a problem in the long run for Artemis. Maybe is it because my face is well known at Artemis but I didn't have to fend of any girls at all these days and no attempt to up selling in the rooms either.
Next up Akira, Thai.
Super-cute thaigirl with silicones, totally GFE with lots of DFK, DATY and BBBJ stayed 1. 5 h with her. Highly recommended and would definitely repeat if possible. Had sessions with Iris and Samantha as well this night also highly recommended with lots of GFE.
On Tuesday I arrived as early 12:00 only a few girls present at this hour, but around 4 pm there must have been 40-50 so it picked up pretty fast. Left the place around 8 pm then it was 60-80 girls around. I only regret I didn't get to see Akira a second time and it would have been nice to spend some time with Sheenya and Carrie as well.
Had two sessions with Kisha (Bra / Ger) both highly energetic with lots of BBBJ and DATY, she has a killerbody with a perfect set of tits and a tight pussy. Highly recommended!
The other session was with Ruby (Rom) tall blond girl with nice enhanced tits, long blond hair, nice friendly personality. Recommended!
The other session was with Ruby (Rom) tall blond girl with nice enhanced tits, long blond hair, nice friendly personality. Recommended!Your Ruby sounds just like the "Ruby" I enjoyed at Bumsalp in Zurich. Only, she told me she was from the country of Moldova (versus Moldavia which is a part of Romania). Oh no, let's not have that debate again! Anyway, I checked the Bumsalp site, and it appears that Ruby is no longer there. And, I do know that the girls do flow between Germany and Switzerland. So, maybe it is her after all!
SuppenHuhn
07-14-16, 21:52
I think Virginia is from Hungary.
Does anyone know the name of the girl who looks just like Paris Hilton? I met her in April at the club. She was very beautiful, and really nice. I asked her if anyone has told her she looks like someone famous, and without hesitation she said,"Paris Hilton. " I'd love to see her again.
Thanks in advance.
Does anyone know the name of the girl who looks just like Paris Hilton? Yes, but she looks more like breanne benson (with blonde hair) than paris hilton. Its Timea from Moldova. Beautiful girl. Smart as well.
I have checked and rechecked the thread to see if this has been mentioned but it seems that nobody brought up latest developments in the case against Artemis owners.
Die Welt on their webpage (google article 156830636, Die Welt and Artemis) informs that accusation number 1 (trafficking and HA links) is falling apart. Which means that only tax evasion accusation remains. The article has been out since 5th of July but I haven't seen it before now and I don't see it being mentioned in this thread. Hence the update from me.
I have checked and rechecked the thread to see if this has been mentioned but it seems that nobody brought up latest developments in the case against Artemis owners.
Die Welt on their webpage (google article 156830636, Die Welt and Artemis) informs that accusation number 1 (trafficking and HA links) is falling apart. Which means that only tax evasion accusation remains. The article has been out since 5th of July but I haven't seen it before now and I don't see it being mentioned in this thread. Hence the update from me.It is good news, the owner is nice guy. He was still detained when I was in Artemis in June.
He need to be out soon and fix old line up of Artemis.
Artemis need more new young girls.
JohnnyWishBone
07-23-16, 12:47
Can anyone tell me if this girl Ella, who is on the FKK66 website here http://www.fkk66.com/de/girls-details/?id=2670&active=1&period=&amid=girls.
Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago. Fake tits, said she was from Poland, but maybe lied to me so not sure.Spectacular figure. Jesus! I've yet to dabble with the FKK scene but I think I need to visit one soon. Especially if girls have bodies like hers!
Nooky Ninja
07-23-16, 12:48
I have checked and rechecked the thread to see if this has been mentioned but it seems that nobody brought up latest developments in the case against Artemis owners.Use google translator.
http://www.abendblatt-berlin.de/2016/07/19/beweise-reichen-nicht/
JohnnyWishBone
07-23-16, 14:11
Why don't you try it yourself and then report to us about it afterwards. By the way, the price for half an hour in Artemis is 60 euro.Not bad for half an hour. What are the average prices the girls charge for extras?
Member #4399
07-24-16, 14:55
Not bad for half an hour. What are the average prices the girls charge for extras?After the raid the prices are not 'guaranteed' by Artemis anymore. So a girl can ask what she wants. But generally the girls stick to the old prices. That is 60 for half an hour, 50 extra for CIM, 100 (or 50? For anal. Kissing used to be free of charge but not all girls would do that. Now girls charge up to 40 euro (or even more? For kissing. Best is to negotiate prices before going to a room.
Member #4399
07-24-16, 15:26
Use google translator.http://www.abendblatt-berlin.de/2016/07/19/beweise-reichen-nicht/It seems the case of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) has come to an end.
A few sentences in the article:
The crown witness is referred to as a 21 year old girl 'fallen in love'.
The president of the organisation of Prostitutes don't believe that everything the crown witness said was untrue.
Furthermore the hints at a relation between Hells Angels and Artemis management cannot be assigned to the indictment. To the contrary, Artemis management has warned the authorities of the frequent visits of Hells Angels to the club.
The accusation of tax evasion still stands but the civil servant that dealt with Artemis taxes has not testified yet.
A bit more detail is in this article:
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article156830636/Der-Fall-Artemis-droht-in-einem-Fiasko-zu-enden.html
After the raid the prices are not 'guaranteed' by Artemis anymore. So a girl can ask what she wants. But generally the girls stick to the old prices. That is 60 for half an hour, 50 extra for CIM, 100 (or 50? For anal. Kissing used to be free of charge but not all girls would do that. Now girls charge up to 40 euro (or even more? For kissing. Best is to negotiate prices before going to a room.During last visit, I did not notice any upsell, if girls began upsell then we can just change the FKK we go to by changing our destination to Frankfurt or NRW FKK.
Artemis is already charging higher prices than other FKK, I do not see the reason for upsell.
Member #4399
07-25-16, 19:57
During last visit, I did not notice any upsellGirls that have been mentioned here, like Keisha, Avril and Armina (gone) are major upsellers.
then we can just change the FKK we go to by changing our destination to Frankfurt or NRW FKK.It's easy to spend 5 to 10 interesting days in Berlin, aside from Artemis. Frankfurt and Cologne might be OK for 2 days max. So visiting Berlin is so much more fun.
Artemis is already charging higher prices than other FKK, I do not see the reason for upsell.Artemis might be more expensive to you but it is also more expensive to the girls. Your cost is not the girl's major interest. Their expenses and income are. Artemis is good to them for the number of clients, not for their daily expenses. These might amount to 130 euro (80 for income, 20 for taxes and 30 euro if they need a bed on the top floor). So upselling doesn't look so unreasonable, but I hate it.
Girls that have been mentioned here, like Keisha, Avril and Armina (gone) are major upsellers.
It's easy to spend 5 to 10 interesting days in Berlin, aside from Artemis. Frankfurt and Cologne might be OK for 2 days max. So visiting Berlin is so much more fun.
Artemis might be more expensive to you but it is also more expensive to the girls. Your cost is not the girl's major interest. Their expenses and income are. Artemis is good to them for the number of clients, not for their daily expenses. These might amount to 130 euro (80 for income, 20 for taxes and 30 euro if they need a bed on the top floor). So upselling doesn't look so unreasonable, but I hate it.Well Frankfurt is not that bad and I am in town just for FKK, so if upsell get strong, then just change city man.
Plus Frankfurt has three major FKK all within 30 min range.
As for cologne I never been there, so I cannot say for FKK there, but am very interested to go and it is close to Frankfurt by train, 2 hours no?
Only problem I have with Artemis now is line up. Line up of Artemis are too old, fat and too much surgery. This old age LU has to be freshen up with new young girls.
Some of those old fat girls at Artemis has been there for years. It is time for them to move on to brothel where they are more suited to be not FKK.
Only problem I have with Artemis now is line up. Line up of Artemis are too old, fat and too much surgery. This old age LU has to be freshen up with new young girls.
Some of those old fat girls at Artemis has been there for years. It is time for them to move on to brothel where they are more suited to be not FKK.They need to change the nasty culture of cash sucking machines.
HunterCupid
07-26-16, 20:06
This is my first time to a German FKK club. I'm a 33 year old English guy who speaks some German. I really didn't know what to expect for this place, it's my first time in an FKK club. In the end I stayed about 8 or 9 hours! The club really got going in the evening and was super busy. A complete mixture of people, 18/19 year old guys who looked a bit lost to business men, old men and guys in between like me. Overall I loved talking to the girls, but one problem here is the conversations don't last long because they are super keen to find their next fuck. I spoke to a black girl for 10 minutes and a Polish girl for 10 minutes but otherwise the other girls would talk only for a short while.
Here's a summary of the girls I took this evening. All of them were 30 minute sessions.
1. 5 pm Red Haired, Hungarian. Looks 25 yo. 160 cm. Petite. She's well known in Artemis. She tries hard to sell you extras, including anal. She is quite strong minded, asked me what I wanted if I wanted no extras. I just said blowjob and sex. She was pissed off. She was sucking me off and then we started having sex. She's complaining that I take no extras and tells me to fuck off. I told her to fuck off and we fucked harder. She hits me on the legs and I'm then slapping her and we're telling each other to fuck off and she's hitting me again. She's touching herself now and was nearing climaxing and had to stop herself (told me she had to save herself! She was super horny. I loved her attitude. If you can handle her she's amazing. She mostly ignored me the rest of the evening haha.
2. 8 pm Eastern European. Blond. Super thin. Super small tits. Super petite. Huge shoes! I was walking around the bar, it's maybe 7 pm and suddenly this girl is standing between the bar area and the pole dance area. I asked what she was standing there for (she's like in the middle of the room just standing there!) and she says she only just arrived. Well, I love petite girls like this and I was horny again so said let's go. I suggested we go outside because I wanted somewhere different to go and we find one of the outside rooms. She tries to sell me extras, and then finally offers 20 euros for 69 so I agree. This girl is a bit of a corpse, she lacks passion and it's all pretty mechanical. I don't think anything makes her horny, she doesn't seem to have much personality. I should have spoken to her before whisking her off for sex. Whatever, live isn't perfect. Anyway, while fucking this girl randomly shouts "Sky! I have no idea why. I was going to ask her but I didn't bother.
3. 10 pm German. Dark hair. Short. Breast implants, not thin. Super super super sexy young teenage face. Her date of birth is tattooed on her leg. 4th April 1995! I suggested we go to the cinema downstairs where I knew there would be some audience. She starts by sucking me off which I really enjoyed. There's a guy in the row behind and two girls approach him. I'm smiling at one of the girls while fucking my girl. I love this place so much for this. We then move to a room by the cinema (I didn't want to but this girl kept saying it would be better). It was better! She laid out on the bed and I was watching myself thrusting into her in the mirror in front of me. This girl's face is so pretty I was super happy. One downer, I was asking for lube and she gets some oil and uses that. This oil isn't lube and I didn't get the slide in her pussy. Next time I will make sure she has proper lube beforehand!
4. 1 am. Julia. 28 yo. Blonde. Hungarian. Petite. Beautiful be cup breasts. Body amazing. Julia has been working at Artemis for 4 years now and is a really nice girl. She has such a nice personality she was the nicest girl I met the whole evening. So, here's how I met her. It was 1 am and I was horny for another girl. No new girls were turning up anymore and there weren't any girls I was really into so I took a seat by the pole dance area and just waited there. After a while this girl walks around and then up to a guy on the sofa and sits in his lap for maybe ten minutes. She then leaves him and walks in a sexy way around the area and looks up at me. I love her super fit body so gesture her over. She's smiling and we chat for five minutes, she's caressing me and is clearly playful. This is the girl that saw me fucking in the downstairs cinema earlier in the evening. This time we go to the cinema by the pole dance area (I hadn't even noticed it was there! She's sucking me off and next we're fucking. There's a guy watching and I'm super happy about that. Then a few more people come to watch. We fuck in a few different positions but I'm losing energy now and I'm not cumming. She finishes me off with a super high energy hand job and I cum all over the fucking place. This girl is totally awesome. After I pay her she sits with me for 10 or 15 minutes and shares one of her cigarettes with me. I'll definitely come back for this girl next time. I tipped her extra for her hard work!
Total cost: 380.
Girls: 280.
Entry: 80.
Drinks: 20.
MuscleHetero
07-27-16, 14:27
You are a fuck machine. How old are you? Do you use viagra?
This is my first time to a German FKK club. I'm a 33 year old English guy who speaks some German. I really didn't know what to expect for this place, it's my first time in an FKK club. In the end I stayed about 8 or 9 hours! The club really got going in the evening and was super busy. A complete mixture of people, 18/19 year old guys who looked a bit lost to business men, old men and guys in between like me. Overall I loved talking to the girls, but one problem here is the conversations don't last long because they are super keen to find their next fuck. I spoke to a black girl for 10 minutes and a Polish girl for 10 minutes but otherwise the other girls would talk only for a short while.
Here's a summary of the girls I took this evening. All of them were 30 minute sessions.
1. 5 pm Red Haired, Hungarian. Looks 25 yo. 160 cm. Petite. She's well known in Artemis. She tries hard to sell you extras, including anal. She is quite strong minded, asked me what I wanted if I wanted no extras. I just said blowjob and sex. She was pissed off. She was sucking me off and then we started having sex. She's complaining that I take no extras and tells me to fuck off. I told her to fuck off and we fucked harder. She hits me on the legs and I'm then slapping her and we're telling each other to fuck off and she's hitting me again. She's touching herself now and was nearing climaxing and had to stop herself (told me she had to save herself! She was super horny. I loved her attitude. If you can handle her she's amazing. She mostly ignored me the rest of the evening haha.
2. 8 pm Eastern European. Blond. Super thin. Super small tits. Super petite. Huge shoes! I was walking around the bar, it's maybe 7 pm and suddenly this girl is standing between the bar area and the pole dance area. I asked what she was standing there for (she's like in the middle of the room just standing there!) and she says she only just arrived. Well, I love petite girls like this and I was horny again so said let's go. I suggested we go outside because I wanted somewhere different to go and we find one of the outside rooms. She tries to sell me extras, and then finally offers 20 euros for 69 so I agree. This girl is a bit of a corpse, she lacks passion and it's all pretty mechanical. I don't think anything makes her horny, she doesn't seem to have much personality. I should have spoken to her before whisking her off for sex. Whatever, live isn't perfect. Anyway, while fucking this girl randomly shouts "Sky! I have no idea why. I was going to ask her but I didn't bother.
3. 10 pm German. Dark hair. Short. Breast implants, not thin. Super super super sexy young teenage face. Her date of birth is tattooed on her leg. 4th April 1995! I suggested we go to the cinema downstairs where I knew there would be some audience. She starts by sucking me off which I really enjoyed. There's a guy in the row behind and two girls approach him. I'm smiling at one of the girls while fucking my girl. I love this place so much for this. We then move to a room by the cinema (I didn't want to but this girl kept saying it would be better). It was better! She laid out on the bed and I was watching myself thrusting into her in the mirror in front of me. This girl's face is so pretty I was super happy. One downer, I was asking for lube and she gets some oil and uses that. This oil isn't lube and I didn't get the slide in her pussy. Next time I will make sure she has proper lube beforehand!
4. 1 am. Julia. 28 yo. Blonde. Hungarian. Petite. Beautiful be cup breasts. Body amazing. Julia has been working at Artemis for 4 years now and is a really nice girl. She has such a nice personality she was the nicest girl I met the whole evening. So, here's how I met her. It was 1 am and I was horny for another girl. No new girls were turning up anymore and there weren't any girls I was really into so I took a seat by the pole dance area and just waited there. After a while this girl walks around and then up to a guy on the sofa and sits in his lap for maybe ten minutes. She then leaves him and walks in a sexy way around the area and looks up at me. I love her super fit body so gesture her over. She's smiling and we chat for five minutes, she's caressing me and is clearly playful. This is the girl that saw me fucking in the downstairs cinema earlier in the evening. This time we go to the cinema by the pole dance area (I hadn't even noticed it was there! She's sucking me off and next we're fucking. There's a guy watching and I'm super happy about that. Then a few more people come to watch. We fuck in a few different positions but I'm losing energy now and I'm not cumming. She finishes me off with a super high energy hand job and I cum all over the fucking place. This girl is totally awesome. After I pay her she sits with me for 10 or 15 minutes and shares one of her cigarettes with me. I'll definitely come back for this girl next time. I tipped her extra for her hard work!
Total cost: 380.
Girls: 280.
Entry: 80.
Drinks: 20..
Attempt number two, since first time I got an error.
My vacation started last week and I decided to spend two days in Artemis before going to southern shores. The idea was to try out some new girls. Unfortunately (but totally expected) there was not much new talent to see and I have pretty much tested out all the girls I desire.
A little side note:
The place had plenty of tourists from Scandinavian countries. I met some swedes (a nation that frequents Artemis very often) and they pointed out some 18-19 year old Norwegian boys that were circled by local shark life. The reason Scandinavians are making pilgrimage to places like Artemis is because Norway and Sweden eradicated the problem of prostitution by criminalizing buyers. By eradication I mean that middle class prostitution (FKK / Brothels and escort services through escort agencies) is more or less eradicated. Street hookers are of course available and high class prostitution also. So basically unless you are rich and connected and / or don't want to buy services from junkies, criminal organisations or shady pimps the only viable option is visiting central Europe. That is why you will always find Norwegians and Swedes in FKKs catering to tourists. For students of history attempts of regulating sex life of the ordinary people and the (unintended) effects of those attempts are predictable, but I leave to the readers to form their own judgement.
On Monday I hooked up with a regular punter from Norway that is fortunate to work in Berlin and is a frequent visitor. The benefit of hooking up with regulars is that you avoid wasting energy on optik fucks that under preform which in this case meant that I was steered away from some of the eastern European crew.
Back to my experimentation. I tried out only three new girls where one was showing a strong potential while the others were something for those with more patience than I do. I also limited myself to 30 minute sessions. If a girl performs well under 30 minute she will perform well in longer sessions too. Plus you weed out those that only give good service under extended sessions. I did also fall back on some safe regulars of mine but since I reviewed them before I will not rehash old reviews.
Kiara (Spelling? I don't know, I did not ask):
Darker skinned girl with dark hair, 155 - 160 cm high. 21/22 years old. German decent (claimed. Not that I care), Hamburg. Worked for two years in Artemis. Tattoos on her body, some sort of flower arrangement covering her leg and side of her body. One gun (there is entire group of girls on artemis having similar tattoos) tattoo on her other leg. Revolver type of pistol for those that are interested is such details. Some lip injections. This will not be a "Dear Playboy" type of description. Performance was very good in the room and she seemed like sweet girl both before, during and after the session. Lots of eye contact during the sex. She has strong grip (Abd rather large biceps for girl that size) so I suspect she is spending some time in the gym. The body was TIGHT (in all the departments that can be entered). I attempted to repeat sessions during the day but she was booked whenever I was free.
I suspect this is the same girl HunterCupid enjoyed in the Kino based on his descriptions of one tattoo.
Repeat: Yeah, I will.
Sidney (German, blonde hair, 150 - 155 cm height, petite body):
She works only couple of days in week in Artemis and I swear I have seen her (or her twin sister) somewhere else during my stays in Berlin (she confirms that she is living in Berlin). She has young look and petite body. She has been working in Artemis at least since 2013 since I think I saw her couple of times before, without implants she has these days (large handball sized implants on a rather petite frame). The performance? Mechanical to the bone. I can't complain of the service received but there is more passion in a frozen chicken. Basically she wanted to process you as fast as possible. Now and then there was a glimmer of personality there. Maybe she is less stressed in extended sessions but I don't care to find this out.
Repeat? No. I suspect that Sidney is rather smart girl with some personality under her rather mechanical performance but I don't have patience to tease it out. There are tons of extrovert, great performers in Artemis already. Why should I waste my time and money to "melt" Sidney's defenses?
Jessie.
I frankly don't remember anything of this session. Even if it was only couple of days ago. We simply did not click together and there was no chemistry between us. I have nothing, neither good or bad to say about her. Will not repeat but will point out as always that YMMV and that she may very well bring much joy to some other punter.
Potential girls for further experimentation (based on observation and customer feedback): Nora + one Romanian girl with large implants and tight body that have gun tattooed on her leg (here I have contradictory info so jury is out her). If some of you fine gentlemen have pointers and advice here, please share.
In other news:
No upsell attempts or price changes detected. But at this point I suspect that most sharks know who I am while my "regular girls" don't want to risk ruining their euro source.
That being said I saw a girl overcharging a guy for one hour despite them being in room only for 30 min (Reason I know? They went upstairs as I was waiting for Kaira to get her stuff. They were in front of lockers when we went down again and I know that I was in room with Kaira for 28 minutes). Use that watch. Norwegain regular I mentioned above used following trick. He put on 5 euro non-working watch whenever he went upstairs with the girl and making a point of looking at it before session starts (despite it being dead he noticed that they rarely pulled the trick of trying to overcharge him after he started using it).
New bar girl and bar boy have been hired. Bar girl looks cute when she wants. But we are not allowed to take her to the room.
Simai wrapped up her carrier as working girl and is going back to normal job. She will not be back to Artemis after summer.
Jenna still not back in business. Some girls are saying that she is doing another breast operation. If it is enlargement. Sweet mother of silicone. Time and space continuum will be broken if this is true.
After 1,5 years I finally came across the opportunity to visit Artemis again (of course last time I'd reported my visit).
I arrived at 14:30 on Tuesday as I wanted to check BBQ day. Fortunately about 15 o'clock the sun showed up and I could rest a bit after the journey in the outside area to prepare for hunting.
I was a bit worried about the prices because the aren't guaranteed anymore. But fortunately every girl I took for a session had standard pricing options.
First thing that I noticed, is that the girls are much less sharky now. Last time it was really difficult to pass lounge area not being caught in a very sharky way. This time I was able to wander around so I could easily observe my potential targets. So I did a lot (to a point it could look a bit strange maybe). Of course girls were trying to catch my attention but after my refusal they usually didn't insisted. So I quickly got relaxed and self-confident.
So let's get to business:
1. Kiki. Quite interesting African girl with mid-sized silicone and slim figure. Crew cut blonde dyed hair. She said she's from Camerun. She caught my attention because I'd never been with African girl before and her face seemed quite beautiful. So we agreed a standard 60 Eu session. She had no problem with DATY which I like a lot so I started licking her pussy. She got really wet and she reacted in a passionate way (maybe some acting but the effect was really nice). After that BJ was quite proper (she obeyed my suggestions) and at the end we got short Cowgirl session and I came rather quickly (my first session usually is short). The look 7/10. Attitude 8/10. No upsell. I surely recommend.
2. Sunny. As I love huge silicone she got my attention quickly. Quite pretty, tanned skin, large butt. She said she's half German, half Moroccan. She also agreed for standard 60 Eu session. Unfortunately DATY is 50 Eu and it was a bit disappointing but I couldn't resist those huge balloons so we got to the upper cinema and performed standard suck and fuck procedure. Everything was rather mechanical but girl was quite nice and friendly. No upsell during session. The look: 7/10, Attitude 6/10.
3. Elena. I started to watch her carefully because I like small, dark haired voluptuous dolls. She has huge natural (a bit saggy) tits and innocent and beautiful face. She said she's Romanian and she has also standard price list. Got to the room, nice DATY at the beginning (but not as passionate as Kiki. She reacted more mechanically but It was rather OK for me). After that she gave me absolutely the best blowjob ever! Really. It was so fucking awesome! Perfect timing, zero teeth, lots of saliva. She was looking at me with those dark, innocent yet naughty eyes. I almost exploded. After about 10 min's of heaven I desperately wanted to fuck her so we got missionary and sex was also fantastic. Great response, superb moans, her hands and legs holding me tight. When I came I almost fainted. One of the best sexperiences of my life. After that she kept stroking me slightly. We had some laugh about my reactions and it was so natural and nice that I'll surely won't forget this ever. Of course no upsell at all. The look: 8/10, attitude 11/10! I absolutely recommend her! I tipped her 20 Eu cause she totally deserves it.
4. Here I have to sorry but I forgot her name. She's slim Romanian with see-cup natural breast. For me she has one of the most beautiful faces of that day's lineup. Sweet little upturning nose and rather characteristic straight eyebrows which goes up at the face sides (a bit similar to Romulan's from Star Trek) - maybe someone recognizes her? She has beautiful wide smile. I usually prefer bigger breasts but her stunning face was so delightful so I couldn't resist. And it was a good decision for a "grande finale". She also has standard pricing but she doesn't like DATY (which actually I understand because there are girls which are too sensitive in these areas). So we started from cuddling and petting, her boobs turned out to be very firm and lovely, her nipples got quickly hard as I licked them. After that very good OWO with various techniques and constant eye contact (yeah). At the end very satisfying cowgirl. After a while I grabbed her closely and fucked her hard till the end. Then we chatted a bit. She's lovely and very positive girl. Great final session with no doubt. And no upsell at all as well. Huge recommendation. The look 9,5/10, attitude 10/10. Tipped her 10 Eu.
I left at about 00:30 with empty balls and wallet but absolutely happy and satisfied. That's what FKK is about! Total damage: 80+60+60+80+70 = 350 Eu. I'm beginning to look forward to an opportunity to come back ASAP.
Attempt number two, since first time I got an error.
My vacation started last week and I decided to spend two days in Artemis before going to southern shores. The idea was to try out some new girls. Unfortunately (but totally expected) there was not much new talent to see This is what I meant, Artemis really need to get more new girls.
Girls are too old and fat with plastic surgery now in Artemis. Some girls has been there for like 5 years or even more.
We need girls more close to early 20's and not late 30's.
Nooky Ninja
07-29-16, 09:28
According to local paper, A case collapsing, and all remaining accused released today. Government says "Investigation goes on".
http://www.bz-berlin.de/tatort/nach-artemis-razzia-im-april-alle-verdaechtigen-wieder-frei
Hessen Bub
07-29-16, 17:06
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/artemis-in-berlin-bordell-betreiber-wieder-frei-a-1105291.html
HB.
Government says "Investigation goes on".Yeah, it does. But it sounds more than a little bit helpless. Got the vid from the Berlin Evening News? It's here: http://goo.gl/FN9T0I.
So will that help in renewing the club, or will it make the club continue to deteriorate this cumming fall?
If I hadn't still had 3 free entries left on my card (think its my 5th card), I would have wiped it off my list of clubs to visit even if there are 3 girls at the club I really like. Yet normally just one of them seems to allways be there. Don't know if that makes it worth it anymore.
What can I say, sick of some of the bullshit going on at this club sometimes... and the more you visit, the more you understand...
ShoesAndSocks
07-30-16, 05:16
On the question of employment status of WLs who choose to work within German FKKs, the appeal decision seems to reflect a very sensible view that they can be independents and yet still choose to accept some work practices that will benefit both themselves and the clubs.
This latest turn of events should be very reassuring to all club operators and ladies who rely on the clubs as a place to earn a living.
ZimmerBaby
07-30-16, 12:26
This is what I meant, Artemis really need to get more new girls.
Girls are too old and fat with plastic surgery now in Artemis. Some girls has been there for like 5 years or even more.
We need girls more close to early 20's and not late 30's.Not necessary to mention this in every post.
Nooky Ninja
07-30-16, 17:09
Not necessary to mention this in every post.Amen, brother.
Look like case of Asspermger Syndrome.
Yeah, it does. But it sounds more than a little bit helpless. Got the vid from the Berlin Evening News? It's here: http://goo.gl/FN9T0I.Well government in any nations never hardly like to admit their failure. With the scale and attention of Artemis raid, it was failure and turned out to be bad ad for Berlin polizei and government, I mean they accused many things to the owners of Artemis and it turned out they got nothing, but tax issues. And everyone who has been to Artemis for many years know that Artemis has no relation to HA, maybe some girls have in their private lives, but not the club. Also what the owner said to police about bikers coming to club is right, I saw fee that looks rather outlaw like tattooed up with clubs name, tattoo on face etc. , but they just came as clients and they did not bother anyone, so in this case police and authority was wrong. And all they can say now is investigation goes on. Though their eyes are on Artemis that is for sure and this incident make it harder for others to open mega brothel in Berlin or near Berlin.
Hit the Art on Sunday night. Have never seen such a sausage fest and wondered what was going on at first. No change at all in the Club post raid as many have reported. The main bar was perhaps even more smoke filled than normal. Not as bad as the guaranteed cancer inducing room at Living Room (if you are a none smoker there it is impossible to deal with) but still bad. There was a selection of big muscle men who looked daunting but they were actually a good bunch. Then one of the most incredible sights I've ever seen in any club -FKK or otherwise: and not a girl but a fully tattooed Roman Guard! I wouldn't have put this up had he not told me where to find it and it doesn't show his face or name. Truly incredible. Apparently this cost around 20 k. But no, I didn't want time in the room with him. Not my thing. Really nice guy though.
Mr Ho has been complaining about the LU not being fresh and it needing an injection of young blood. He's taken a little criticism for repeating his complaint and ok so the drum does not need beating too many times to be heard. However there are pros and cons in what he says. First, I agree with him. After my first tour around the club and having been recognised by at least 8 girls, I did start to think that this was all a bit the same as last time. Which was a while ago. It's also not great constantly bumping into girls you've rejected several times. But as will become apparent. The one upside of a static LU is that if you have a real favorite and she is still there, it is fantastic to find her again.
First session with Eileen. Ro. Dark hair, bolt ONS, slim. Big red lips. Standard session 30 minutes to get me in the mood. Fantastic BBBJ which she was happy to do for the whole 30 minutes if I'd wanted and 90% of the time with no hands, no teeth, varying speeds and very skillful. Nice girl, quiet but I'd repeat.
Next I have been waiting for a beautiful long dark haired girl and I spot her at the end of the bar with a blonde so I approach. She smiles but tells me she is about to go to the room. I'd not spotted the towel in hand. I speak instead with her blonde friend, very tall, glasses, called Chrissy. Whilst not normally my type she was instantly engaging. I did not believe her when she said she was Romanian. She sounded 100% American. She asked if I'd ever met a girl from the US in FKKs and I confirmed I did in World last year. Chrissy was fantastic company, nice large enhanced the cups but not noticeably. I had to ask. We had an hour, talked a lot, she is without doubt the most intelligent woman I've met in an FKK. She was really knowledgeable about a lot of subjects and spoke 6 languages. We spoke Spanish, her French was incredible (both the language and the blow job!) and I really enjoyed my time with her.
Downstairs, finally caught up with the target of my affections. The long dark haired Joanna. This is when the static LU come back to repay you. She says "I know you" and we recall our last session over a year ago. I said I'd been back to the club 3 times since hoping to see her without luck. She looks like Emilia Clarke from the US series Game of Thrones but with dark hair and she is one of the most passionate women I've ever been with. Not dissimilar in looks facially to Elizabeth (Hungary) from Oase, but better body if slightly smaller natural see cups. Long sharp nails and killer eyes. Had 2 hours of sheer pleasure. One of the most skillful women I've been with in an FKK and I'd happily fly back to Germany just to session with her regularly. She is off back to Romania now for I think a week. Repeat. Oh yes. And often please.
Otherwise the club was as normal. Too many guys this time, too much smoke, but overall I always find at least 5+ girls I'd want to session with at Artemis. Which is why I, like many others, keep returning and will continue to do so.
Nooky Ninja
07-31-16, 19:51
The Empire strikes back.
http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/artemis-betreiber-wollen-berlin-auf-schadenersatz-verklagen
and
http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/so-jubelt-ein-bordell-betreiber-ueber-die-neue-freiheit
Hit the Art on Sunday night. Have never seen such a sausage fest and wondered what was going on at first. No change at all in the Club post raid as many have reported. The main bar was perhaps even more smoke filled than normal. Not as bad as the guaranteed cancer inducing room at Living Room (if you are a none smoker there it is impossible to deal with) but still bad. There was a selection of big muscle men who looked daunting but they were actually a good bunch. Then one of the most incredible sights I've ever seen in any club -FKK or otherwise: and not a girl but a fully tattooed Roman Guard! See https://www.facebook.com/tattoostudioberlin/photos/a.809456419104133.1073741833.792742210775554/1021012227948550/?type=3&theater I wouldn't have put this up had he not told me where to find it and it doesn't show his face or name. Truly incredible. Apparently this cost around 20 k. But no, I didn't want time in the room with him. Not my thing. Really nice guy though.
Mr Ho has been complaining about the LU not being fresh and it needing an injection of young blood. He's taken a little criticism for repeating his complaint and ok so the drum does not need beating too many times to be heard. However there are pros and cons in what he says..I told ya about line up LOL.
This is my first time to a German FKK club. I'm a 33 year old English guy who speaks some German. I really didn't know what to expect for this place, it's my first time in an FKK club. In the end I stayed about 8 or 9 hours! The club really got going in the evening and was super busy. A complete mixture of people, 18/19 year old guys who looked a bit lost to business men, old men and guys in between like me. Overall I loved talking to the girls, but one problem here is the conversations don't last long because they are super keen to find their next fuck. I spoke to a black girl for 10 minutes and a Polish girl for 10 minutes but otherwise the other girls would talk only for a short while.
Here's a summary of the girls I took this evening. All of them were 30 minute sessions.
1. 5 pm Red Haired, Hungarian. Looks 25 yo. 160 cm. Petite. She's well known in Artemis. She tries hard to sell you extras, including anal. She is quite strong minded, asked me what I wanted if I wanted no extras. I just said blowjob and sex. She was pissed off. She was sucking me off and then we started having sex. She's complaining that I take no extras and tells me to fuck off. I told her to fuck off and we fucked harder. She hits me on the legs and I'm then slapping her and we're telling each other to fuck off and she's hitting me again. She's touching herself now and was nearing climaxing and had to stop herself (told me she had to save herself! She was super horny. I loved her attitude. If you can handle her she's amazing. She mostly ignored me the rest of the evening haha.
2. 8 pm Eastern European. Blond. Super thin. Super small tits. Super petite. Huge shoes! I was walking around the bar, it's maybe 7 pm and suddenly this girl is standing between the bar area and the pole dance area. I asked what she was standing there for (she's like in the middle of the room just standing there!) and she says she only just arrived. Well, I love petite girls like this and I was horny again so said let's go. I suggested we go outside because I wanted somewhere different to go and we find one of the outside rooms. She tries to sell me extras, and then finally offers 20 euros for 69 so I agree. This girl is a bit of a corpse, she lacks passion and it's all pretty mechanical. I don't think anything makes her horny, she doesn't seem to have much personality. I should have spoken to her before whisking her off for sex. Whatever, live isn't perfect. Anyway, while fucking this girl randomly shouts "Sky! I have no idea why. I was going to ask her but I didn't bother.
3. 10 pm German. Dark hair. Short. Breast implants, not thin. Super super super sexy young teenage face. Her date of birth is tattooed on her leg. 4th April 1995! I suggested we go to the cinema downstairs where I knew there would be some audience. She starts by sucking me off which I really enjoyed. There's a guy in the row behind and two girls approach him. I'm smiling at one of the girls while fucking my girl. I love this place so much for this. We then move to a room by the cinema (I didn't want to but this girl kept saying it would be better). It was better! She laid out on the bed and I was watching myself thrusting into her in the mirror in front of me. This girl's face is so pretty I was super happy. One downer, I was asking for lube and she gets some oil and uses that. This oil isn't lube and I didn't get the slide in her pussy. Next time I will make sure she has proper lube beforehand!
4. 1 am. Julia. 28 yo. Blonde. Hungarian. Petite. Beautiful be cup breasts. Body amazing. Julia has been working at Artemis for 4 years now and is a really nice girl. She has such a nice personality she was the nicest girl I met the whole evening. So, here's how I met her. It was 1 am and I was horny for another girl. No new girls were turning up anymore and there weren't any girls I was really into so I took a seat by the pole dance area and just waited there. After a while this girl walks around and then up to a guy on the sofa and sits in his lap for maybe ten minutes. She then leaves him and walks in a sexy way around the area and looks up at me. I love her super fit body so gesture her over. She's smiling and we chat for five minutes, she's caressing me and is clearly playful. This is the girl that saw me fucking in the downstairs cinema earlier in the evening. This time we go to the cinema by the pole dance area (I hadn't even noticed it was there! She's sucking me off and next we're fucking. There's a guy watching and I'm super happy about that. Then a few more people come to watch. We fuck in a few different positions but I'm losing energy now and I'm not cumming. She finishes me off with a super high energy hand job and I cum all over the fucking place. This girl is totally awesome. After I pay her she sits with me for 10 or 15 minutes and shares one of her cigarettes with me. I'll definitely come back for this girl next time. I tipped her extra for her hard work!
Total cost: 380.
Girls: 280.
Entry: 80.
Drinks: 20.A good first post, sounds like you had a good time there, did you forget some of the girls names?
I told ya about line up LOL.You sure did but as I said in my post. With Joanna in that LU it is never boring to me. She is really pretty and her service is fantastic. Chrissy was great to spend time with too. There were at least 8 other girls I'd have been happy to session with. There is something special about Artemis for me even if the main lounge is too smokey.
Lavalampan2010
08-02-16, 09:32
Hello fellow members!
This week I will visit Artemis and it will be my first time ever that I will pay for sex haha. What better way then to do it in Artemis? I have read almost every page here and other forums as well so I think I will be well prepared when I visit but I still have one question.
I will only visit one day but I don't know which day to pick. I will arrive on Wednesday late afternoon and what I know is that it will be lingerie day then. I will also arrive quite late. The other day that is to my disposal I early Saturday. Thursday and Friday I will be on a business meeting all day.
The bad thing about Saturday is that my flight leaves around 20:00 so I won't be able to have many hours then.
Lavalampan2010
08-02-16, 11:08
Hello fellow forum members!
This week I will travel to Artemis and it will be my first time I visit a Lady of the Night. I have read this forum and also other forums so I think I am well prepared. The only thing I have a question about is which day I should choose to visit since I am on a budget haha.
I will arrive Wednesday afternoon, earliest around 18:00 but that maybe is too late? Also I know it is dessous tag that day. Thursday and Friday I am on business meetings but Saturday I am free. The only thing then is that my flight home takes off late afternoon so I won't have so much time.
Wolvenvacht
08-02-16, 19:10
Hello fellow forum members!
This week I will travel to Artemis and it will be my first time I visit a Lady of the Night. I have read this forum and also other forums so I think I am well prepared. The only thing I have a question about is which day I should choose to visit since I am on a budget haha.
I will arrive Wednesday afternoon, earliest around 18:00 but that maybe is too late? Also I know it is dessous tag that day. Thursday and Friday I am on business meetings but Saturday I am free. The only thing then is that my flight home takes off late afternoon so I won't have so much time.Prices are the same in Artemis any day of the week, any time of the day. There will be Ladies of the Night available as soon as Artemis opens until it closes.
The question is not whether there will be ladies available (they will be there), but whether the ladies present will suit you. And that is a question nobody but yourself can answer. Just go there and have a look.
Nooky Ninja
08-02-16, 19:57
Thursday and Friday I am on business meetings but Saturday I am free. The only thing then is that my flight home takes off late afternoon so I won't have so much time.Lineup only at full strength after 1930-20:00. Wed can be weak. Thurs better and Fri more better. Girls always fresher before 23:00; rooms easier to get etc. You must cut away from important business meetings at all costs. Tell them you feel not well, cannot have dinner, have erection stretching so deep into your mind that you cannot think of business. You can prove to them - show them ISG and that you so horny you post same message twice. Make some excuse but no excuse not to make excuse.
You can always have stupid meetings. Just show Dilbert videos to colleagues while you are gone. How often you have chance to be at Artemis, on power days, just after management was liberated, on a warm summer night?
You sure did but as I said in my post. With Joanna in that LU it is never boring to me. She is really pretty and her service is fantastic. Chrissy was great to spend time with too. There were at least 8 other girls I'd have been happy to session with. There is something special about Artemis for me even if the main lounge is too smokey.Yeah I managed to always find someone somewhere, deep in between the crowd of fat older girls with plastic surgeries that has been there since day one, at least they do not come up and try to ask me to go up stairs, they know my answer LOL.
Hi,
I am visiting Berlin in a few weeks and will there Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
Which of these days will have the best lineup?
Also are there any advantages to arrive before 6 pm? From what I hear the lineup gets better later in the night but how is it during the day?
Thanks.
I am visiting Berlin in a few weeks and will there Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
Which of these days will have the best lineup?
Also are there any advantages to arrive before 6 pm? From what I hear the lineup gets better later in the night but how is it during the day?
Just read post 9241 below. As there's mentioned:
Lineup only at full strength after 1930-20:00. Wed can be weak. Thurs better and Fri more better. Girls always fresher before 23:00; rooms easier to get etc. IMHO there's no advantage, unless you've got an appointment with a certain girl. Expect a very poor lineup in the afternoon, maybe ten girls at noon, number decently increasing, maybe twenty girls at 4 pm, some more at 6 pm. Monday seems to be the best choice of your selection of days. Note: that's an advise based on my own preferences.
Most top performers and / or stunners arriving late. Summer 2016 shows the worst lineup I've ever experienced at A during the last few years. It's a really cruel summer.
Gaolegao366
08-03-16, 16:17
On my way to Romania, so had a long layover at airport, so why not come and take a look at this club. I was glad I did.
Took a taxi from airport, got there and the people who work at the reception desk really nice and explained everything for me since it was my first time. After that took a shower, went to the bar, this place is kind of old but has its own style. More girls started to more after 5:30. The LU is more than I expected, maybe even better LU during the weekend. One girls told me that because it is Tuesday we would have BBQ. Food was decent. If you want something with alcohol you have to get a tag from the reception desk. One thing really impressed me is how big downstair is, and also there were even a small gym over there. Finally I felt like I got my 80 euro entry worth.
Went to room with a Germany tall blond girl called Nadia. First kind of cold, but after get to know each other she became more social. Had a good 1 h session with her, does she not kiss anyone at all or just not me? This place, you could see many young kids over here, I saw one Asian kid who look like just graduate from high school. Couple of other kids probably from Germany just in their early 20's.
Time went quick, after the session took a quick a shower, dressed up hopped on the taxi, went back to the airport. Definitely would come back if I got a chance.
HunterCupid
08-03-16, 18:43
A good first post, sounds like you had a good time there, did you forget some of the girls names?Yes this is a big problem for me! I only remembered Julia because I asked her for her name again afterwards. In fact when I visited the bordellos in Berlin I had one occasion where I had forgotten the name of the girl I wanted from the line up! So embarrassing!
On my way to Romania, so had a long layover at airport, so why not come and take a look at this club. I was glad I did.
Took a taxi from airport, got there and the people who work at the reception desk really nice and explained everything for me since it was my first time. After that took a shower, went to the bar, this place is kind of old but has its own style. More girls started to more after 5:30. The LU is more than I expected, maybe even better LU during the weekend. One girls told me that because it is Tuesday we would have BBQ. Food was decent. If you want something with alcohol you have to get a tag from the reception desk. One thing really impressed me is how big downstair is, and also there were even a small gym over there. Finally I felt like I got my 80 euro entry worth.
Went to room with a Germany tall blond girl called Nadia. First kind of cold, but after get to know each other she became more social. Had a good 1 h session with her, does she not kiss anyone at all or just not me? This place, you could see many young kids over here, I saw one Asian kid who look like just graduate from high school. Couple of other kids probably from Germany just in their early 20's.
Time went quick, after the session took a quick a shower, dressed up hopped on the taxi, went back to the airport. Definitely would come back if I got a chance.This blonde German Nadia is the one with many tattoos, from Hamburg and tall with silicone tits Nadia?
This blonde German Nadia is the one with many tattoos, from Hamburg and tall with silicone tits Nadia?There is only one Nadja. Wings on her back.
There is only one Nadja. Wings on her back.That's the one, she kiss, but not DFK, at least with my experience, not best performer, but she can take pounding and no complain.
BackpackBrian
08-05-16, 05:17
I want to be in Berlin and Frankfurt in late August early September. Will this be a bad time for the LU at different FKK's including Artemis. Should I wait until mid September or later?
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