Monterrey - UnospongeBob's Reports [Archive]

Member #3453

07-08-07, 02:58

Sorry...this is my last long one. You owe me that much, right? After over 500 posts on your site, posts you directly profit from, you owe me.

I feel that if I am to be publicly ridiculed in the forum in such a way, I am most surely entitled to also be heard. I would have preferred to respond to you without having to reply here in the forum, obviously. But, you brought this up in your chosen manner, and I am curious to see if you will permit me to also comment directly with respect to your public accusations of me. This will be a direct testiment to your fairness.

I will gladly adhere to the published guidelines, and I will make every effort to clean up my act to the best of my understanding, which at this juncture is almost total confusion.

First, lets reiterate a few of the published rules from your own website's "Rules Section." These are reiterated just as they are written in your "Rules Section."

"No Chat Room Style: Please do not write in CHAT ROOM style with all small letters and no punctuation. Please review the Posting Guidelines below for more information."

I always attempt to spell correctly and punctuate properly, and I strive to produce phrasing that is grammatically correct, with the exception of occassional and unintentional typos. I will attempt to limit the cross talk, and have attempted to do so to the same extent as the rest of our regular posters to this section.

"No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member."

I always respond to other posters with the proper level of written etiquette and cordiality, and I NEVER attacK them, not even so much as what has been done to me here within the forum by this most recent posting of the Administrator's comments. IMHO, you have violated your own RULES with respect to having publicly admonished me in such a way, choosing instead to do so at my expense rather than contacting me directly via the PM system or email.

"No Trolling: Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this board. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute."

This is not something I do. I do respond to posts that are directly aimed at me specifically, circumstances that are directly soliciting my commentary. I do respond with agreement, polite rebuttal, or polite disagreement. But, never would I attempt to stiffel the comments of others, and NEVER have I been abusive to another poster except in very limited circumstances where the other poster was perhaps also abusing me.

And, even in the case where ONE (1) relatively minor incident occurred, and even though that circumstance is now relatively long past, my policy is to usually remove posts from the forum that I believe in retrospect may have had any hint of malice to them whatsoever, choosing instead to attempt to get along. And, as a personal policy, even though the frequency of such things occurring has been almost non-existent, I always attempt to mend those fences to the best of my ability through conciliatory conversation behind the scenes...and have done so with respect to the one (1) instance of such a dispute occurring.

"No Offensive Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages, images or links that are vulgar, hateful, threatening, racist, or discriminatory."

Where did I do this???

Now, with respect to the issues that you refer to that are not specifically listed as violations of your published rules, but apparently, in your eyes, apply only to me:

"1. Please stop intimidating other members from participating in the forum."

When did this occur? It simply DID NOT HAPPEN!!! I welcome the participation of other members. Other posters have the same access to post their opinions as I do. How is it possible that other contributors are limited to submitting commentary if I contribute my comments, opinions, and trip reports. That does not make sense. They are not limited in any way. They can post and "save" to the forum without any physical restraint from me. How is it that my comments squelch their participation?

If you mean that disagreement or comments about a conclusion they reach while mongering in Monterrey is a violation of your rules, or that I can not nicely articulate a disagreement or comment with respect to mongering strategy, then there are many others here in this same forum that are equally guilty of the same thing.

WHY HAVE YOU SINGLED ME OUT? Am I not entitled to a polite opinion, or is it preferable that I agree with everything said, even when the commentary leads future readers to make huge mistakes when visiting the venue. I would have thought you would prefer to have accurate and valid information on your site.

"2. Please stop with these long, philosophical discourses espousing your opinions of the other forum members."

I do NOT have long philosophical discussions espousing my opinions "of" other members. I do have thorough discussions about my opinions concerning P4P, mostly concerning strategy, psychology, sociology, logistics, etc...But, in most instances, I have simply defended my own opinions, and only with respect to opinions that are P4P issue related, and usually in cases where those opinions are directly squarely at me for commentary. I have never posted personal opinions about the character, writing style, value of content, or anything else about my "opinions of other forum members," certainly not specifically, and not even in generalities with respect to other members. THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE RULES.

I must also point out that with the thoroughness of my trip reports there is also a thoroughness in my commentary as well. If you don't want to read what I have to say, then maybe you should also add to the rules a clause that limits how much we can say. But, to date, having lengthy commentary simply isn't a violation of the rules. If you can show me in the rules, by my having lengthy commentary, lengthy trip reports, etc...all of which are directly related to P4P, not "politics, religion, etc...," are a violation of the rules, then I graciously succomb to your accusations with the humblest apologies, and a sincere desire to rectify my behavior.

But, all of my comments are related to P4P. So, if you respond to me with justification that you are bored with my comments, or don't enjoy reading them in full, then fine. That is a subjective judgement on your part and on the part of my detractors. But, that's not a violation of the rules.

"3. Please stop using the Forum to conduct experiments that involve coercing others into withholding information."

I would never advise other members to withhold information other than to protect the innocent, and comply with the rules as stated in the "Rules Section" concerning personal information. The purpose of the forum is to "find women." But, I do not interpret that to mean that you mean to provide a forum for us to find them specifically, by individual name. I assume you mean to find women in the general sense. Is that right? or are you advocating that ISG is not a site to find women, but more a site to pimp women. I doubt you are advocating that ISG be a site to Pimp women. If so, then I stand entirely corrected in my assumptions.

With regard to my decision to contribute specifics, or to request specifics of other members, that is my decision as to how much information I wish to contribute or solicit, and to what specific degree I want requested specific information to be disclosed back to me in a public forum.

My decision to post specific details about girls, or to refer to them in synonyms is entirely my business, as it is also my business when requesting information of another monger that requires them to use intellegent discretion with respect to divulging specifics in a public forum. Again, the use of synonyms is not against the ISG Rules.

"4. Please continue to report on the P4P scene in Monterrey and your own experiences, to include logistics, personal trip reports, opinions about individual girls, clubs, perceptions of the venue, the strategic issues involving P4P in Monterrey, and other venues in comparison."

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!! You can't appeal to me to make contributions to your forum because the content of my reports is helpful to your business while simulaneously asking me to squelch what I have to say within some narrowly defined criteria that is specifically designed to "regulate" only ONE member, Unospongebob and no others.

If you have some individuals here that can't stand the content of my opinions, opinions and commentary that I always post with politeness and decorum, and they are hassling you because they don't want to read it, or don't agree with it, or they don't like what I have to say, or they are too lazy to advance the slide bar past my posts, or they are simply too lazy to enter my screen name into their ignore list, then fine. BUT, I AM NOT VIOLATING THE RULES by submitting lengthy relevant commentary.

I have over 500 posts, many of which, along with Carlos, WastedG, MillJust, several other regular posters, and my many friends and other accomplished occassional visitors to Monterrey, all of which, have contributed so much information about Monterrey, and the Mexico P4P scene, that it literally staggers the imagination. Information that you directly profit from as a result.

I am simply a part of what makes this section viable...period. I don't say that to boast or be self congratulatory, but...give me a break...I have 500 posts at the Monterrey forum alone, information that you directly profit from.

I think that with respect to my numbers of posts, and the longevity of my contributions, the reputation that preceeds my screen name, you would have thought twice about reaching what seems to me a very premature conclusion with respect to the value of my overall contributions to your site, and that you as a business man, would have used a great degree of discretion in appealing to my desire to be a good citizen of the on-line community. Instead, you abuse my participation and insult me by posting a public ridicule where the charges are totally unfounded.

This is the first and only time you have directly contacted me with any kind of admonission regarding my participation. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE SUCH A PUBLIC STATEMENT? And, do you really have such distain for those of us that contribute prolifically to your overall success?

Fact is, I am truly hurt and offended, not because you or others might not like the content of my postings, but more so because of the way in which the message has been so crassly delivered, with apparently no consideration given for the contributions made over the last five years, contributions that you directly benefit from.

You will probably do the easier thing by accepting the criticisms of my detractors as valid, and I am simply going to be at your collective mercy. Your accusations are totally false and misguided, and you obviously do not read the content of my posts to establish whether the content is in fact as I have been accused, nor have you even made the simple effort to determine that most of the "discourse," as you call it, is directly related to P4P issues, which in NOT a violation of your published rules.

"Discourse" definition per Websters New World Dictionary:
"a formal treatment of a subject, verbal or written."

Are you not aware that all of my recent posts have been in rebutal or agreement with regard to P4P strategy in MTY, opinions between me and my close personal friends, all of which, if even appearing to be malice in nature in the first place, which I doubt, is entirely delivered tongue in cheek?

"5. If you don't have anything nice to say, then please don't say anything."

When did I not have anything nice to say? Where are you coming from, Jackson? Where do you get these accusations? YOU ARE TOTALLY OFF-BASE!!!

My opinion is that your accusations are lazy, uninformed, unfounded, and arbitrary, the result of a few jealous and vindictive types that advocate my admonission by hassling you through the "reports to the moderator" button, and ones that undoubtedly now enjoy my being publicly ridiculed in the forum for having expressed my views on issues that you say, in your own "Rules Section," need to be related to P4P.

All of my posts fit that description regardless of whether some like or dislike my content. ALL of my posts pertain directly to P4P. I am not discussing religion, politics, gardening, golf, television programs, movies, or any such other extraneous unrelated material other than to directly address P4P, and all it's many nuances. Again, where are you getting your accusations? Have you even read my posts to determine whether the complaints of my detractors have even a hint of validity? Of course not.

Rather than submit to the mercy of my detractors, you and my detractors will be pleased to learn that I might just as easily contribute elsewhere. It is no big deal. Lets watch the forum for the next thirty days to see where it goes. I will just hang back and let the forum proliferate with all the huge volumes of additional information that my commentary is supposedly squelching.

I would not want my comments to be a futher burden on the plethera of information that is out there with regard to Mongering in MTY, and the apparent huge numbers of ISG members that have been formerly stiffeled from posting due to my contributions. God knows, I don't need the information from ISG. I, along with a very select few, produce it. I certainly won't suffer as a result of taking a little vacation from the ISG board to demonstrate that it has an otherwise "dead" existence.

I really doubt if you will permit this post to go to the board to be permenantly published. I realize that this final post is akin to espousing that the "emperor has not clothes." Fairness in being heard is apparently not part of the ISG Rules. None-the-less, I will earnestly make every attempt to adhere to your requests through my own voluntary abstencia from the ISG site in the future.

Here is a little experiement that I, as the only targeted contributor, have every right to engage in. Lets see how the forum progresses in the next thirty days without my contributions. I challenge you to visit the forum in the next thirty days to see just how many formerly "restrained" members have posted here without my participation. I already know the answer.

El Cabron 007

07-08-07, 04:19

Before I comment here, allow me to set the stage:

1- Love this board. We use it heavily and enjoy seeing new posts.
2- I am typing with a smile on my face. I am not angry with anyone.

Now, I must come to the defense of my friend, UnospongeBob. My first reaction when I read your post was "Why in the public?"

I do agree with UnospongeBob that, maybe, with all due respect, your post to him should have been in a private message. Not in the open forum. Regardless of it being right or wrong. I do not see why you needed to go public with it.

I somehow feel responsible for this because of the exchanges of opinions we have been having lately regarding strategies. Even while I post, I felt this might have been inappropriate. Nevertheless, it was a discussion about dealing with sex providers.

Again, UnospongeBob is a great friend and a heck of a guy. Not to mention his fabulous cookies :). If I was in any way responsible for your decision to post your comments, then I apologize to him. In either case, I really think you were wrong to go public.

Peace

Wasted.

Greetings UnospongeBob,

Okay, you asked, so here it is:

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Thanks,

Jackson

MonterreyDude

07-08-07, 22:38

I can't believe am reading this.

Jackson, who is filling you with ideas?

(Is it the guy with he's own Thread???)

Your 5 point exposition is intresting, valid cause you are the owner of the site. To be considered seriously, again cause you are the Administrator, but it is faulty due to lack of solid knowledge and tangible facts.

Jackson I don't know if you know that Iam a local Monterrey boy, born and bred, always willing to help anyone coming down here.

You sir, have not met the people that I have.

People that seldom post, that are only lurkers and that I have met here in the City.

You know how I get to meet them?

Cause they ask the girls for some guy nicknamed "Unspongebob" and the girls of course know that Iam friends with this guy. The friendly American that carries cookies around, giving them away to girls, waiters and managers (a habit Iam trying to make him get rid off...).

Unspongebob is an will be a tremendous asset to this, the Monterrey Thread cause he helps a lot of guys that read his posts, guys that wil PM him for advice or that will try to look him up if they are in Monterrey at the same time.

Contary to that, Wasted and me, well... we love having fun, we are not good writers but I always had the idea that our posts help showing the action available in the city, keeping it up to date.

Next, pertaining me, I insist that Mongers visiting should meet face to face. That really helps in establishing a rapport that in turn will help the Monger within the strip clubs.

I tell Mongers at other Forums, to move to this one cause it is the one with the best info on the city.

And you know what they specially like of the Thread? Unspongbobs posts.

Well Jackson, you are the owner of the store.

Perhaps as our neighbor Nibu Raphael has a Thread of it's own, couldn't we have a "Pure Montrerrey BS" or a "Unospongebob's Monterrey Adventures" Thread?

I guess that would solve any trouble, any quarrel, any heated argument and it's respective rethoric?

Hope you read this Jackson.

Greetings UnospongeBob,

1. Please stop intimidating other members from participating in the forum.

2. Please stop with these long, philosophical discourses espousing your opinions of the other forum members.

3. Please stop using the Forum to conduct experiments that involve coercing others into withholding information.

4. Please continue to report on the P4P scene in Monterrey and your own experiences, to include logistics, personal trip reports, opinions about individual girls, clubs, perceptions of the venue, the strategic issues involving P4P in Monterrey, logistics, and other venues in comparison.

5. If you don't have anything nice to say, then please don't say anything.

Thanks,

Jackson

El Cabron 007

07-08-07, 23:39

Hey Carlos, where do you get off saying we are not good writers? Speak for yourself. :)

I'm curious. Do guys ask the girls if they know someone called "Wasted"? I wonder how they would say that in Spanish? (Malgastado?) What the hell is a "Squandered". Am I "misspent", "Idle", "Fruitless", "Frivolous"? Which is it?

I support giving our buddy his own thread (?). Is that what it's called?

OR, for what it's worth, if someone is not happy with his posts, let them do the hard labor of ...... put him on the "ignore" list. If they are so much willing to write a note to the admin, it would be a lot faster and simpler and less of a headache for all of us if they ignore what they do not like.

We like USB's posts. Yes, he drive me crazy sometimes, it's true. And I sometimes want to grab him by his shirt and knock some sense into him. But hey, I always wait for him to post. Then I see how long his post is on a simple phrase as "ahorita vengo". But I want him to post and I think MTY thread will be dead, dull, boring and lifeless without him.

Carlos is the "king" of Monterrey.

USB is the "sweetheart" of Monterrey.

Can I claim the position of the Cabron/Bastard of Monterrey?

and we can give Mr. "L" the "Stud" of Monterrey?

Wasted

Contary to that, Wasted and me, well... we love having fun, we are not good writers but I always had the idea that our posts help showing the action available in the city, keeping it up to date.

Well Jackson, you are the owner of the store.
Perhaps as our neighbor Nibu Raphael has a Thread of it's own, couldn't we have a "Pure Montrerrey BS" or a "Unospongebob's Monterrey Adventures" Thread????

Whome69

07-10-07, 06:23

I have been following this board for awhile. Even paid the Dues: . USB is a great asset to this Board. Granted, he can be long winded BUT considering the message that he is conveying. They need to be. I can relate to him in many ways along with the dialogue with other members on this forum. Have actually helped me focused my own feelings.

Considering the time that he (and others) spend in composing their posts, a "heckler" doesn't bother me and it shouldn't bother them. However, considering THEIR time spent, I can understand why a heckler upsets them. Remember they are writing their hearts and souls on the Board. It is only natural, to respond in a negative way from an attack. Actually, he and others respond to attacks with a true debate rebuttal. Not a "screw you" response. IMO, they shouldn't waste their time in defending themselves. Their history automaticaly gives them large amounts of credibility in my books.

Since I live in McAllen which is only about 2 hours from Monterrey, I look forward of meeting the "Monterrey Crew" one of these days. Especially when USB will be in attendence. I will even buy the first round. Maybe even the Lunch Buffet. : . Cheaper than spending a couple of hours with Psychologist. If he gets USB gets his Butt to McAllen, maybe I will fly him to Montterey?

MonterreyDude

07-10-07, 08:03

Yes of course the girls ask for a Wasted.... as in "where the f**k is Wasted... MF owes me money!!!!!"
That you???

Hey Carlos, where do you get off saying we are not good writers? Speak for yourself. :)

I'm curious. Do guys ask the girls if they know someone called "Wasted"? I wonder how they would say that in Spanish? (Malgastado?) What the hell is a "Squandered". Am I "misspent", "Idle", "Fruitless", "Frivolous"? Which is it?

I support giving our buddy his own thread (?). Is that what it's called?

OR, for what it's worth, if someone is not happy with his posts, let them do the hard labor of ...... put him on the "ignore" list. If they are so much willing to write a note to the admin, it would be a lot faster and simpler and less of a headache for all of us if they ignore what they do not like.

We like USB's posts. Yes, he drive me crazy sometimes, it's true. And I sometimes want to grab him by his shirt and knock some sense into him. But hey, I always wait for him to post. Then I see how long his post is on a simple phrase as "ahorita vengo". But I want him to post and I think MTY thread will be dead, dull, boring and lifeless without him.

Carlos is the "king" of Monterrey.

USB is the "sweetheart" of Monterrey.

Can I claim the position of the Cabron/Bastard of Monterrey?

and we can give Mr. "L" the "Stud" of Monterrey?

Wasted

Admin

07-10-07, 22:13

Greetings everyone,

First, let me address some of the comments herein:

1. Some people have suggested that my perspective is somehow influenced by Nibu Raphael. All I can say to this is that I am ROTFLMAO.

2. Some people have suggested that I should have sent my comments directly to USB. I don't generally send unsolicited emails because a very high percentage of email address in the forum are bogus, closed, or unread, and I long ago get tired of composing emails that are so often rejected.

Now, back to the subject at hand:

Okay, I get it. USB has a number of supporters.

That's not my issue. My issue is that he apparently is not aware that his aggressive posting style is chasing away potential contributors.

Specifically, I would like USB to stop intimidating other members from participating in the forum, stop with these long, philosophical discourses, stop criticizing other forum members, and stop using the Forum to conduct experiments that involve coercing others into withholding information.

Am I wrong?

More importantly, how would the forum members suggest that I accomplish these goals?

-Perhaps I should let him post whatever he wants with absolute impunity?

-Perhaps I should give USB his own thread?

-Perhaps I should give him his own forum to moderate?

What do you think?

Thanks,

Jackson

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BTW, did any of you read his latest dissertation:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?postid=617914#post617914

MonterreyDude

07-11-07, 02:21

I like it this way.
Leave this Thread to USB.
We'll all be happy...
... and I'll keep updating the Monterrey thread as will all the visitors to the city too.

Greetings everyone,

First, let me address some of the comments herein:

1. Some people have suggested that my perspective is somehow influenced by Nibu Raphael. All I can say to this is that I am ROTFLMAO.

2. Some people have suggested that I should have sent my comments directly to USB. I don't generally send unsolicited emails because a very high percentage of email address in the forum are bogus, closed, or unread, and I long ago get tired of composing emails that are so often rejected.

Now, back to the subject at hand:

Okay, I get it. USB has a number of supporters.

That's not my issue. My issue is that he apparently is not aware that his aggressive posting style is chasing away potential contributors.

Specifically, I would like USB to stop intimidating other members from participating in the forum, stop with these long, philosophical discourses, stop criticizing other forum members, and stop using the Forum to conduct experiments that involve coercing others into withholding information.

Am I wrong?

More importantly, how would the forum members suggest that I accomplish these goals?

-Perhaps I should let him post whatever he wants with absolute impunity?

-Perhaps I should give USB his own thread?

-Perhaps I should give him his own forum to moderate?

What do you think?

Thanks,

Jackson

===========================================

BTW, did any of you read his latest dissertation:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?postid=617914#post617914

El Cabron 007

07-11-07, 02:49

When 2 kids argue, the judge will hang himself.

When 2 adults discuss, an intelligent solution is usually reached for all to like.

I commend both, Bob and Jackson, and I thank all the members who had kind words to say. Like Jackson said, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all...... dang, this sounds familiar, where have I heard that before?

I was wondering where my posts went. Here they are. Does Bob even know he has his own thread? Someone should tell him.

Yeah, I too will continue to post on the Monterrey thread as well but will direct discussions with Bob here.

Bob, we need a thread warming party. Buy us all round trip tickets so we can come down and celebrate. Whome69 is welling to fly you down. You then fly the rest of us in.

Congratulations USB, but don't let it go to your head. It's bad enough that you understand each one of us more than we 'think' we understand you.

Wasted

I like it this way.
Leave this Thread to USB.
We'll all be happy...
... and I'll keep updating the Monterrey thread as will all the visitors to the city too.

El Cabron 007

07-11-07, 04:15

I guess I should go hang myself.

MonterreyDude

07-11-07, 06:33

Leave some space in the noose for me...

I guess I should go hang myself.

Member #3453

07-12-07, 13:11

Leave some space in the noose for me...

DO NOT hang your collective selves quite yet... :-)

I have not made my travel arrangements for the end of the month yet. Please check guys, Carlos and Wasted, when you have the opportunity, to determine whether my Angel Girl is going to be available to me or whether she is going to have "other" commitments.

If she is busy, that does not mean that I will not revisit, but it does mean that I will visit Monterrey with a modified agenda. I want to get my head straight before I return. Time is slipping away. I should have made my plane reservations two weeks ago, so I could be delayed in my arrival.

Let me know if you need anything Carlos.

Member #3453

07-12-07, 16:32

Whom69 and Regio73,

Guys I sent you "thank you" notes and brief comments within the PM system, but you may not have checked them. I would like to formerly acknowledge all that appreciate my comments, and to thank all that have commented to me within the forum, and also behind the scenes, via email, etc...

Muchismas Gracias...Is that spelled correctly Carlos?

To the hecklers, I don't desire confrontational relationships, quite the contrary. So, I have decided to attempt to limit my comments in the Monterrey section unless someone has asked a question in the forum seeking information. In that instance, I WILL comment thoroughly.

I have been following this board for awhile. Even paid the Dues: . USB is a great asset to this Board. Granted, he can be long winded BUT considering the message that he is conveying. They need to be. I can relate to him in many ways along with the dialogue with other members on this forum. Have actually helped me focused my own feelings.

Considering the time that he (and others) spend in composing their posts, a "heckler" doesn't bother me and it shouldn't bother them. However, considering THEIR time spent, I can understand why a heckler upsets them. Remember they are writing their hearts and souls on the Board. It is only natural, to respond in a negative way from an attack. Actually, he and others respond to attacks with a true debate rebuttal. Not a "screw you" response. IMO, they shouldn't waste their time in defending themselves. Their history automaticaly gives them large amounts of credibility in my books.

Since I live in McAllen which is only about 2 hours from Monterrey, I look forward of meeting the "Monterrey Crew" one of these days. Especially when USB will be in attendence. I will even buy the first round. Maybe even the Lunch Buffet. : . Cheaper than spending a couple of hours with Psychologist. If he gets USB gets his Butt to McAllen, maybe I will fly him to Montterey?

Mill Just

07-14-07, 10:18

Uno, is it just me or were you a helluva lot happier and happy-go-lucky when you just posted trip reports?

I think there's a real danger of ruining a good thing when we start to over-think the world of mongering. Too much analysis makes this whole thing a bit too laborious and needlessly complicated when, in reality, mongering is quite beautiful in its simplicity: Find a hot chica, give her some money and have a blast! That's why my experiences on the ISG are a lot sweeter when I just stick to talking about the chicas and my fun with said chicas.

Mill.

Whom69 and Regio73,

Guys I sent you "thank you" notes and brief comments within the PM system, but you may not have checked them. I would like to formerly acknowledge all that appreciate my comments, and to thank all that have commented to me within the forum, and also behind the scenes, via email, etc...

Muchismas Gracias...Is that spelled correctly Carlos?

To the hecklers, I don't desire confrontational relationships, quite the contrary. So, I have decided to attempt to limit my comments in the Monterrey section unless someone has asked a question in the forum seeking information. In that instance, I WILL comment thoroughly.

Member #3453

07-14-07, 13:00

Heeyyy, heyyyyy, MJ...nice to hear from you.

I have to admit, I think you're right. That is precisely what I've begun to think myself lately. I am regularly accused of over analyzing everything, and that's with respect to my legitimate life. I know that tendency spills over into mongering as well.

What I have to do is REGAIN my focus. I am going to make an effort on my upcoming trips to be less analytical, and more carefree, just go with the flow. I'll see how it goes. I will be back in MYT between July 28th and August 3rd. So, hopefully, armed with a new commitment for gathering trip report material, I can come up with something more akin to what everyone is looking for.

But, I urge mis amigos that are in fact on the ground at this very minute in Monterrey, experiencing things in MTY that are rarely experienced by the average monger, to post their reports, which they, for the most part, DO NOT do. This isn't meant as a criticism of them as guys...they are great guys, everyone of them...But, I know where they are going, and how much stuff they are experiencing...and, I can tell you they do not post it. I know what you all are missing...And, when I am here in mi pueblo in the US, I also know what I am missing. Knowing they are on the ground in MTY last night, having all that fun, and my knowing specifically what I was missing, had me feeling really sorry for myself...Honestly, it is brutal!

They do post their comments, and of course, they are ready to provide advice, good advice, but they do not regularly post reports of their experiences, certainly nothing even remotely close to the thoroughness that I aspire to. Fact is, some of them are still lurkers, and some of them only post with strategic or philosophical commentary similar to my own, usually in disagreement with my strategies and philosophies :-) which is fine...but, it does, unfortunately for my detractors, breed lengthy rebutal from me, something I'm trying to avoid doing in the regular forum at this juncture.

Perhaps my attempts at frequent commentary on the board, made in an effort to draw them, and numerous other lurkers, out of the shadows into full commentary about their experiences has failed. I have been sorely ineffectual at getting others to contribute their experiences. And, my accusers believe that my frequent posts, and especially the length of the posts, are keeping that from happening. Perhaps they are right. I am willing to test that theory.

So, I have decided to sincerely attempt to limit the length of my posts in the regular MTY section, maybe with the exception of trip reports, which I expect will be just as lengthy as before, but I will try to limit the philosophical and strategic component, and stick to the sorted details.

I would prefer to have many others posting a plethera of comments on the MTY board for "ME" to enjoy, inquire about, comment on, etc...

Unfortunately, I haven't seen much in the way of trip reports on the board, so I am willing to accept that my participation there, at least with respect to my mode of participation, is hindering that progress.

My decision at this juncture is just to hang back...see what happens, not to fall off the face of the earth or anything...not even to limit my comments, other than to make them as concise and brief as possible on the main board, perhaps with the exception of trip reports, so as to discover whether that tactic will improve the situation.

In the past, my purpose for posting on the main board with such frequency, and with such length, other than my own internalized selfish, cathartic attempts, has been with a hope that it will bring some others out of the woodwork, and it literally has. But, honestly, most that have decided to come out of the woodwork have done so after our meeting face to face in Monterrey. That revelation convinced me that perhaps my writing style does have a tendency to intimidate others. Obviously, I do not intend for that to be the case, quite the opposite. But, I am willing to accept that once I have met some of these former lurkers, they discovered just how really harmless I am in reality, and they were no longer afraid to comment within the forum.

I welcome commentary in the forum...PLEASE....please comment with the forum. I would like to be entertained just as much as the next guy, and I apologize to those that truly believe I inhibited their contributions.

I know it's hard for some to understand that my purpose was legit in the midst of all the controversy. I truly believe that my commentary has brought some guys out of the woodwork, former lurkers that had never commenting on anything before. And some seem to be coming along nicely, less and less bashful about saying things within the forum, especially with respect to their criticisms of me, which is fine...anything is better than our reading nothing day after day, after day, after day....

Some say I have intimidated them from posting. Ok, I've decided that if by my changing my mode of operation here, it will help the situation, then I buy that...but, I also realize that with some I have at least intimidated them to the point of total frustration, even to the point of them attacking me publicly in the forum, some with kid gloves and a sincere affection, and some not so nice. Some have voiced their opinions and comments that they believe my articulations of my philosophies are totally misguided, stupid, dumb, amateurish, boring, whatever. But, at least our having something in the way of commentary is better than nothing, which seems to be our alternative on the MTY board otherwise.

No, for the philosophical commentary, I'll hang out over here...for a while. I have renewed some of my other memberships elsewhere, and I am checking those resources, and spending less time on ISG now. The ISG board will be checked for commentary regularly, but my participation will be minimal, at least it will be limited as I have described...unless of course I have trip reports to post, or commentary to respond to.

But, back to your initial point...yes, I believe you have a legitimate point that I AM in a funk. I don't think it's in regards necessarily to my just posting about strategy and philosophy, but because I am over analyzing the mongering hobby itself. I agree with you MJ, I have to get back on track in my head. I am thinking too much about the hobby and all it's nuances. I need to get back to the purpose of having "FUN."

I will be experimenting with a new approach when I visit MTY this next trip. I will look toward the prospect of gathering new material for a trip report, rather than gathering material for philosophical discussions, which for me are more interesting, and possibly even much more relevant, but apparently everyone else is more interested in the blow by blow specifics.

Thanks for posting in my section...Please keep it up...I can get very bored over here, and you'all wouldn't want me to break out. :-) I can meander over to the MYT section any time, but you wouldn't want me running around in the MTY section untethered with all my lunacy :-)

Keep me well confined here with all your comments and you'll be safe from the "terrorism"* that formerly prevailed in the MTY section.

*(US Homeland security, DOD, FBI, etc...: this word "terrorism," is only a word meant in humor)

;-)

Uno, is it just me or were you a helluva lot happier and happy-go-lucky when you just posted trip reports?

I think there's a real danger of ruining a good thing when we start to over-think the world of mongering. Too much analysis makes this whole thing a bit too laborious and needlessly complicated when, in reality, mongering is quite beautiful in its simplicity: Find a hot chica, give her some money and have a blast! That's why my experiences on the ISG are a lot sweeter when I just stick to talking about the chicas and my fun with said chicas.

Mill.

Member #3453

07-14-07, 13:54

I don't know...is it me, or do some of these USA girls look kind of fat? Sort of fat hips, fatter legs, fatter asses, bigger boned...I don't know...I guess I am too particular. But, to me, a disproportionate number of them look like they are just a little to big for my taste...not all, but a disproportionate number...Opinions please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07eveeAn9Vg

I don't know...aren't girls in this age category supposed to be pre-fat?

Member #3453

07-16-07, 12:06

Pal, are you gay? Because if the answer is yes, that may explain a lot.

WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME...Surprised to see you here Mastermind...your being such a former intimidated, committed detractor and all. Uhhhmmm, that is interesting.

Precocious One

07-27-07, 22:02

I wouldn't waste your time with the MP's to appease some of the mongers here. I checked out about seven or eight of them six weeks ago when I first moved here and, consequently, have never been back. Maybe Mastermind got lucky in his endeavors but I found that the low end MP's were an absolute complete waste of time. I mean, if you can have an attractive girl in your own private room for more than two hours for one hundred, how much cheaper can it get?

If one lives here or consistently frequents Monterrey such as yourself, Wasted, Mr.L and Carlos, the argument between MP Girls versus Strip Club Girls is a topic not worthy of debate.

Member #3453

07-29-07, 21:20

You know, I don't really feel like I am wasting my time because the hours of operation in the MPs do not conflict with my club activities.

With regard to our comparison of the MPs versus the strip clubs, much of it comes down primarily to economics. I have literally already spent about 4000 pesos Saturday night, just running between the clubs, interviewing girls, enjoying privados, buying girl drinks, drinking my own wildly economical beverage selection, Coka Lite, partaking in full service in Tangalay, bar fining one of my favoritas in Pasarelas, etc... I did not go to sleep until 4am.

My Pasarelas girl stayed with me for four hours, and even at that, she had to return to the bar for her salary, which she said would be around 300 pesos, or she would have stayed put...no money expected by her for her end of our bargain, but 800 pesos for the bar fine...

But, of course, I paid her at the last minute, as we were going to leave, after she told me I owed her nothing. I paid her anyway, $100US, which amounted to only $25 an hour for her end, and I only bought her (1) One, count-'em, "ONE" drink at Pasarelas.

More details to come, but suffice it to say it was a total GFE according of the "G" girl description. My "G" girl was not working last night...so, she was overlooked, and my other options were implemented, and with the "SAME" GFE results that I experience with my "G"girl from Infinito...

Life could not be better. But, I do think this recent develpment with my long-time girl from Pasarelas has something to do with a more Cabornish attitude that I have had toward her lately. She has decided that I am worth keeping, and she has played me differently than I have ever sensed her playing me in the past. Congrats MJ, Carlos, WastedG, in the case of Pasarelas favorita, you were right. Actually, I have three favoritas at Pasarelas, but now, this one seems to understand what it is I WANT, and that in order to maintain any kind of competitive position, she must DELIVER IT!

I know!!! 4000 pesos????? That is some serious scratch. I am fortunate enough to be able to spend it, but also accutely aware of the foolishness of my doing so. So, the MPs are the alternative to my doing that regularly.

I had a great time yesterday, but the cost is through the roof in comparison to the MPs. That is where the MP debate takes on a valid argument for most who do not live in, or frequent Monterrey. And, of course, I should be more thrifty with my money perhaps, but I am having a blast. That's what I'm here for.

But, do you guys realize??? In the US, girls of the quality of selection that I am seeing would cost me $300-$400 per HOUR!!!!!!!

I literally spent from about 4pm yesterday to 4am Sunday morning, almost nonstop action in the clubs, and with my bar fine...that's 12 frickin' hours for the same cost that I would experience from girl's of questionably equal quality in the US. Certainly, I would not really expect to get the GFE treatment from the hookers in the States...So, say what you want about spending 4000 pesos, but it is chicken feed in the big scheme of things within the US P4P scene.

Certainly, many a Gringo spend over $500-$1000, and more, sometimes much more, just to visit the higher end bars in Monterrey, the Poisson, the Obsession, the Prestige, the Premier, and the Amnesia. This is where I accept Mastermind's comments about what it costs to patronize the austensibly better bars, just for the privilege of being with a "stripper." WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THAT!

But, for me, I was able to enjoy myself for 12 hours for 4000 pesos, $363US dollares after currency conversion. I dare say, that is possibly akin to the cost of spending the same amount of money on family vacation at an amusement park, with two kids, and an esposa, maybe costing much more actually, running around Disneyworld or Universal Studios...and people think nothing of it while on vacation. Do you realize, I can not get my grass cut by a professional lawn service for $30 an hour. Service calls in my industry in the States run anywhere from $95-$100 per trip charge. I had a blast last night for about $30 an hour. Sure I want to cut that down, but there is a point of diminished returns on investment, where paying less also gets you less satsifaction.

I am relaxing, and I am running around my Disneyland...But, tomorrow needs to be a more conservative night, and it will be...I will really squeeze my bar fine for tomorrow night, or possibly just be satisfied partaking in the MPs, maybe visit Pasarelas just for a little socializing and modest drink buying. I will make it up, and then it will amortize out to about a $150 average per day, maybe less. I have done this before. I fully expect to spend about $800US-$1000US while here in Monterrey this week. I hope I don't break the bank due to my precocious attitude, no pun intended Precocious One.

I wouldn't waste your time with the MP's to appease some of the mongers here. I checked out about seven or eight of them six weeks ago when I first moved here and, consequently, have never been back. Maybe Mastermind got lucky in his endeavors but I found that the low end MP's were an absolute complete waste of time. I mean, if you can have an attractive girl in your own private room for more than two hours for one hundred, how much cheaper can it get?

If one lives here or consistently frequents Monterrey such as yourself, Wasted, Mr.L and Carlos, the argument between MP Girls versus Strip Club Girls is a topic not worthy of debate.

Member #3453

07-29-07, 21:23

My desire not to partake tonight at Signore, was simply because I had already been once to Tangalay, and wasn’t really feeling ready to go another round. And, my initial reaction to the selection was that I was not really sufficiently motivated to select any one of them that were on duty. But, that’s a function of my own preference for flaca morenas. There were some good looking girls there, but in their age category, they are going to be a little bigger, not fat or flabby necessarily, but a little bigger built, and with some softness that I do not typically select from within the clubs when I make a salida selection.

Now, this is all subjective stuff. I mean, what I like versus what others would find hot as hell is a totally subjective thing. I have been accused of being particular, but some of my best girls are not always the prettiest in the face, but many are, however, generally they have damned hot, hard bodies, and their GFE is unsurpassed, or they do not experience repeats from me. But, I must also admit that my antics are not without some concilliation with respect to my strong preferences. Of course, just like everyone else, I deviate from my preferred kind of selection, and sought after preferences of selection, sometimes settling for a selection that is not consistent with my standard of preferences. This is where the MPs are seemingly falling into a measured degree of potential viability with respect to my definition of fun in MTY.

Don’t misunderstand, I think there were probably (4) of the (8) that were perfectly acceptable. But, because of my technique, and due to my own style, I am reluctant to make a selection based solely on having them standing and smiling prettily at me. At least almost all of them did that, tried making a nice impression, with the intention of being selected, but not all. Some were right there up front, big smiles, three that I directly noticed making the effort, but half probably hung back, making less of an effort to acknowledge I was even there.

I have strolled into other MPs in the past where the girls just sat, bored, on the couch, and barely made eye contact if at all, instead choosing to watch television instead of making at least some kind of indication that they would not throw-up were I to select them. This is where my interest level is affected greatly by the environment of the typical MP.

It is entirely “MY” problem, and I realize that. But, if you are like me, you will sometimes, depending on the MP, and the quality of the personalities, or more accurately, the intelligence of the management on duty at making sure the girls act appealing and better than half dead, for marketing’s sake, at least show some recognition that a customer has arrived, and that he may not want to make a selection from a bunch of disinterested girls that barely acknowledge that you even entered their establishment.

But, Signore was not of this category. So, I give it an “B” with respect to decent attitude upon introduction and having a good selection. I rate it a “B” in comparison to the clubs and not an “A” for selection because of the age factor, the disinterest of some girls there, and because I am not really able to interview the girls first like I enjoy doing.

But, in fairness, I also realize that if you compare an MP that has (8) girls on duty to the lower end clubs like Infinito, there is a discrepancy in the numbers of girls to select from. At that same hour there were probably 30 girls or more working in Infinito alone, and probably another thirty in each of the other close respective clubs, Givenchy and Tangalay, all within 50 feet of one another.

The quality of selection in the lower end clubs is about the same as what you will find represented across the board in an MP like Signore, except the girls in the clubs are decidedly younger than the average in Signore that I saw, and because there are more to choose from, the likelihood of your finding one that suites your tastes is enhanced.

So, as Mastermind indicated, it’s not really a fair assessment to compare the selection in the clubs to the selection in the MPs at 8pm due to shear numbers. And the cost in the clubs will be more if you take services in the privados. There are two pluses that I see on the MP level, and that has to do with lower cost per hour of time, and better facilities than the lower end bars provide for full service.

The MPs are significantly more comfortable than the stark and uncomfortable environment in the the privados in the lower end bars like El Infinito. So, if you can find a girl in the MPs that meets your criteria, I would probably recommend that experience over anything you might expect to experience in the lower end clubs within the privado setting.

More to come on my bar fining one of my favoritas from Pasarelas, and a very, very, relevent cost comparison, illustrating that the cost from the clubs can be infinitely cheaper than an MP, all be it, admitedly with some investment having had to take place in the past, and an absolute requirement that one visit with some regularity, or live in Monterrey, to achieve the level of value I routinely experience.

The lower end clubs are very, very, dark. And quality of selection in the lower end clubs can be deceptive when making your selection. If I neglect to cover this issue in more detail, then someone remind be...because it directly addresses the issue about quality of selection in the clubs versus the MPs, making the selections in the MPs sometimes no less "HOT" than what we routinely find in the dark clubs. Lighting is a huge factor.

More to come when I get the inspiration and only if the interest level here, or in the regular section, warrants my effort.

UrbanWildlife

07-30-07, 00:18

You and Nibu really do have something in common now! :)

(wink!). Plan a trip to Puerto Vallarta, and come and visit this paradise. We do have some real lookers here, and I actually just purchased a small cantina that will be expanding its entertainment in the coming months, so come on down and enjoy!

Precocious One

07-30-07, 01:00

Yes. 30/hour. If a monger cannot accept those terms, he should probably choose another hobby such as say....fishing. Or Bowling.

I, along with anyone that frequents the clubs in Monterrey, continually receive quotes of 80-100 for two hours. That is a given. When you have to pay 30/hour at Signore plus a 20/tip in a less than desirable room, there really is no need to discuss the merits of an MP over a strip club girl. One girl at the Tangalay, arguably the hottest one there on the weekdays as demonstrated by the reaction of the audience when she dances, has now quoted me 600 pesos for five hours on her day off. Granted, I have already invested some $150-200 on privadas and drinks for her, however, if one frequents Monterrey or lives here, that is a fairly paltry up-front investment for continued long-term pleasure if one so desires.

By the way, I believe I might know who you recently enjoyed at the Tangalay. She just strikes me as your type. And for those that are planning on visiting Monterrey, the Tangalay is definately a club worth going to. Cheap prices, relaxed atmosphere, comfortable privada rooms and attractive girls.

Member #3453

07-30-07, 04:06

Hahaha... :D with respect to that comparison, I hope it is more a matter of my being guilty through the association of close proximity in cyberspace, and not necessarily for anything that might be termed as similiar in creative writing style and thoroughness of commentary. Double :D :D

Isn't Puerto Vallarta an expensive mongering destination??? Just a hunch. I know a few girls that have left the MTY venue to work Cancun and I always assumed they were going there to make inflated amounts of money. I always assumed that any of the vacation areas would have the same downside with respect to relative cost.

Good luck with the cantina. If I do find myself in Puerta Vallarta however, most probably, unless I decide to take one of my girl friends from here in MTY, which is very unlikely, I will have to be on my best domesticated behavior...if you know what I mean.

You and Nibu really do have something in common now! :)

(wink!). Plan a trip to Puerto Vallarta, and come and visit this paradise. We do have some real lookers here, and I actually just purchased a small cantina that will be expanding its entertainment in the coming months, so come on down and enjoy!

Member #3453

07-30-07, 04:17

I am contemplating visiting another MP or two this evening, Sunday evening, just to scope them out. After yesterday and last night, I am totally satiated. I really don't want to deplete my energetic mongering reserves by having literally too much of a good thing.

My plan is to scope out a few more MPs just to get some idea of the selection, but I am a little concerned that a Sunday night might hold some disappointments compared to what I found in Signore on Saturday night. I will have to choose wisely in order to gleen the best positive potential results.

I am hoping to maintain my ability to "just say no," both in the MPs and clubs tonight. But, to quote a wise, and otherwise much better man than I, and with no disrespect intended, the "spirit is willing," but the "flesh is weak." I'll return tomorrow wth another update.

UrbanWildlife

07-30-07, 12:27

Isn't Puerto Vallarta an expensive mongering destination??? Just a hunch. I know a few girls that have left the MTY venue to work Cancun and I always assumed they were going there to make inflated amounts of money. I always assumed that any of the vacation areas would have the same downside with respect to relative cost.

Good luck with the cantina. If I do find myself in Puerta Vallarta however, most probably, unless I decide to take one of my girl friends from here in MTY, which is very unlikely, I will have to be on my best domesticated behavior...if you know what I mean.Hello My Friend,

It is expensive, but what resort city isn't in the world? Warm weather, and nice beaches draw people. At the same time it is not expensive if you stay away from the tourist traps. I sell my cervesa for 13 pesos, and I am right in the heart of the entertainment district with a Senor Frogs directly across the street from me. I have claimed residency in Mexico, having a home in Puerto Vallarta since 1994, when the tourism was not even close to what it is today. I love Puerto Vallarta, because it is a big city that still has a small town charm to it, and it still has culture unlike Cancun. The streets are cobblestone, you have the side walk and street stands, e.t.c., and it is relatively crime free. Just a very friendly beautiful city, even though the mongering sucks for the most part. As in any large city, you have to find the local spots, and establish connections. The big thing is to stay away from the high class stripclubs who cater to the tourists and the almight dollar.

El Cabron 007

07-30-07, 13:04

You guys are killing any remaining intent in me to get back to the city.

Member #3453

07-30-07, 19:21

The rain was starting to come down pretty hard, so I decided that after having seen such a poor display at the two Playboy establishments, I would dart into the clubs along Villa Gran just to get out of the tormenta.

You know...I want to be fair with respect to my reporting on the clubs versus what one will typically find under rainy circumstances. As I was contemplating the sparse selection at the MPs, I also realized once inside the clubs, after having canvassed them individually, the three that were close together right there so I could walk between them without having to endure the rain, that the numbers of girls available for selection was likewise poor in the clubs as well. There were maybe 7 girls in El Infinito, 10 girls in Givenchy, and maybe 6 girls in Tangalay. But, within each of those clubs there were girls that were doable, a few that were stunning, a few that were mildly attractive, but almost all but two or three were totally doable. While in Infinito, I set up a meeting with a girl I have known a while, a young, hot, good looker, for Monday afternoon. I am supposed to call her around 1pm. Mis Amigos know her, and it is not my "G" girl.

By the way, before I forget, Mr. L and WastedG, "T" at El Infi says hello. She had black hair last night, and I almost did not recognize her, except to notice that hot body of hers. I did not recognize her until she approached me for a cookie. I took her up into the privados, and yes...we talked. Too bad that girl is getting married, and supposedly leaving the business very soon. What a hottie she is!!!!!

You know another thing that also occurred to me is that the weather conditions usually serve me quite well when visiting the clubs with respect to cost for girl time on salida. Depending on the numbers of girls actually in attendance, if the number of patrons have fallen off, and the girls have already arrived to work, they must pay a salida in order to leave the establishment to get away from what promises to be a bust with respect to their earning potential that night.

This condition sets up a perfectly marvelous opportunity to negotiate very low rates for the girls to leave with you. You can also generally plan to spend more time with the girls in your room for less money because they see NO reason to return to work...no money there...why go back? So, if you play the game with them, you can negotiate their girl fees down, and their time spent with you up, sometimes significantly down & up.

Case in point, my salida girl from Pasarelas just left. She went with me at 12:30am, stayed until 6:30am, actually staying with me beyond the time she quoted me, 5am. So, she stayed 6 hours....and.....drum roll, please.........all for only 700 pesos, plus the bar fine. So, if you amortize that out, with the currency conversion factored in, that means she cost me $10.61US per hour, and with the bar fine factored in, she cost me $19.72US per hour.

I only bought her two drinks, at 110 pesos each, and I spent a lot of time sitting with her in the bar prior to our leaving, she drank modestly but at a steady pace. Now, when I compare this cost to the cost of an MP, well, it just seems that I am getting the better deal. And, with this particular girl, I have probably only bought her a total of maybe 6 drinks, each at 110 pesos each, and two (250 peso) jarras, over the course of the entire time I have known her, maybe six months. And, on top of it, she is absolutely gorgeous, usually in constant demand, guys clammering to sit with her. Mis amigos know her as my "X" girl.

I don't mean for it to seem that I am criticizing my friends who frequent the MPs. But, were I to prefer the average MP quality to this girl would be the equivalent of wanting to drive a volkswagon to a BMW. The VW is a good german made vehicle, but the BMW is in a class all it's own. There is really no comparison. I am wanting to be convinced othewise, and I will continue to canvas the MPs to look for, and assess the quality of selection. But, so far my suspicions that quality of selection is not comparable to the clubs is true, and even to a greater extent, with respect to overall cost.

Granted, many do not have the "game," due to infrequent visits, etc...to pull some of this off without visiting here often. But, I can only comment on my preference, and acknowledge that I have certain advantages that others may not be able to enjoy with respect to experience in the MTY venue. However, if I post my experiences, it just serves to bring those of you that do not frequent MTY, a way to possibly get the same kinds of results by following the same kinds of methods. I don't relay my experiences to brag of my success, but merely to make those that do not frequent the MTY area aware of what is possible if you know a few things in advance of coming here.

My point is that a girl of this quality, as is being confirmed by my research so far, would simply never be found working in a lower to medium level MPs, period. My limited research so far is verifying my suspicions. I am totally open to the prospect that there may be a hottie working the medium to lower level MPs, but I have yet to see her, not even in Signore, which boasts a pretty decent lineup, I must admit.

Those of you who have frequented both the clubs and the MPs and know my "X" girl can comment on my assessment...I just don't think you would ever find a looker like this working a regular medium or lower level MP...Now, maybe a Misses kind of establishment, or one of the Casas....I intend to check into those again too. But, considering cost, I have blown Misses completely away with my cost comparison here. Misses would be literally about 75% more expensive if you consider time spent and the hourly expenditure.

I am not trying to slam the guys who use the MPs. I am simply pointing out that I believe I get a much better value working the clubs. I am capable of being successful in the clubs, and to the tune of a 75% reduction in overall cost, and an immeasureable improvement in overall quality of experience as I assess quality of experience, at least for the kind of experiences I prefer, the GFEs. It is all subjective, so I hold no criticisms for the guys that prefer the MPs. It's just that I find that environment lacks certain conveniences that I employ in the privacy of my hotel room, methodology that serves to enhance the overall experience, props and environmental things that are non-existent in the MP environment. But, everything is, of course, subjective.

The bar fine was originally quoted to me as 800 pesos by the waiter, consistent with last night's bar fine. When I complained to my girl, and told her that the bar fine was too much, she went to the mamason and got the salida fee reduced to 600 pesos.

It was pretty simple to point our to her that the rain was coming down, that Pasarelas was virtually empty, that she stood little chance of making a dime if she stayed until 5am, her normal shift. I told her we could go back to my place, listen to some music, relax, have a nice time, munch some cookies, a few chocolates, some skittles if she is so inclined, a little pocket rocket action, some GFE/BFE sexo....but, then...after having made my pitch....

I indicated that I was not particularly interested in paying what I thought was an inflated bar fine, she intervened with the "woman" behind the bar, the one that makes that decision. I asked my girl to intervene with her boss and she thought about it for a moment, abruptly got up, and marched over to talk to Mamason, probably because the prospect of losing her cash cow for the night loomed large....again, the "RAIN" is the catalyst.

DO NOT CUSS THE RAIN...It is your consumate allie with respect to mongering. It is a pain in the ass to deal with because the streets are full of rain, gullies overflow, vehicle spray rain on you, etc....very much a pain in the arse otherwise.

Anyway, I am getting a little ahead of myself. I will report on both of my bar fines to date in detail, but first, prior to 12:30am, I was in Givenchy around 7pm, remember....That is a very interesting experience, one that all might find enlightening with respect to the private room there, which I occupied with a girl for two hours.

After having decided to forego my research on the MPs due to rain, I decided that tonight offered significant opportunity to capitalize on salida action. But, of course, after determining that the MPs were not a viable option that night, I was also wanting to conserve my money and energy for the rest of the week. I had been having so much action up to that point in time, that I just thought I should go back to the room, get under the covers, and sleep for about 12 hours instead.

But, after having entered Givenchy, I sat down at my table and a really slutty girl approached me asking me to buy her a drink. Now, she was very slutty!!! I am not normally drawn to her type, just a little below my standards. But, the mitigating issue is degree of sluttiness. I decided that she warranted a run in the privados just to determine her commitment level. All I can say is....

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As fate would have it, after taking slutty girl into the privados, I realized that the action I had already seen the night before was nothing compared to what I would experience Sunday evening in Givenchy, and then later to realize my good fortune over at Pasarelas...well, I was kind of surprised myself. I am almost worn out. All of this, and not one moment spent with my "G" girl.

In my upcoming report I will report on the private room at Givenchy, and detail my escapades with interviewing New Pasarelas Girl, and bar fining Semi-New Pasarelas Girl. More to come...

Member #3453

07-30-07, 20:13

Yes, Carlos has recommended Puerta Vallarta to me over the other destinations in Mexico like Cancun. I think he believes it is, while still a tourist destination, with all the touristy traps, etc...still less expensive than places like Cancun. So, Puerta Vallarta will be my next choice for a Mexico vacation destination. I will let you know if and when I come down, but again, because of my personal circumstances back in my legitimate life, we may not have any legitimate reason to meet in person unless I can sneak away, which is not likely. I have to keep my legitimate life in the States separated from my clandestined existence. But, none-the-less, I will at least advise if I am headed your way in case you can help me out logistically, verdad? And, on the off chance we can hook up, that would be nice.

Hello My Friend,

It is expensive, but what resort city isn't in the world? Warm weather, and nice beaches draw people. At the same time it is not expensive if you stay away from the tourist traps. I sell my cervesa for 13 pesos, and I am right in the heart of the entertainment district with a Senor Frogs directly across the street from me. I have claimed residency in Mexico, having a home in Puerto Vallarta since 1994, when the tourism was not even close to what it is today. I love Puerto Vallarta, because it is a big city that still has a small town charm to it, and it still has culture unlike Cancun. The streets are cobblestone, you have the side walk and street stands, e.t.c., and it is relatively crime free. Just a very friendly beautiful city, even though the mongering sucks for the most part. As in any large city, you have to find the local spots, and establish connections. The big thing is to stay away from the high class stripclubs who cater to the tourists and the almight dollar.

Member #3453

07-31-07, 00:14

with respect to my spending habits this trip. i am way, way over budget. i calculate that so far i have spent $711us dollares after currency conversion, with the fun beginning saturday night, and for the next full 48 hours, right up to this very moment. that includes total expenditures for everything from privados, buying drinks, meals, snacks, everything except hotel and airfare expenses. i am very conservative with my own drinking, only drinking coka lite, and usually only one drink for me no matter how long i sit in the clubs.

so, that round figure includes all the entertainment and basic living expenses so far. i know that's a lot of money...but, when you compare it to $300-$400 an hour just for the entertainment fun charged in the us for similiar quality of selection....well, it can simply not be beat.

to recap, i scoped out faronas and signore on saturday afternoon, then had one privado in tangalay, then full service in the privados in tangalay, about 5 or 6 privados in el infinito, about 3-4 privados in givenchy, a (4) hour salida with my old flame from pasarelas on saturday night.

then, on sunday, after trying to scope out playboy (i and ii), i had three privados at el infinito, then i went to givenchy, had two privados, and then spent two hours in their new private room. then, later sunday night i went back to pasarelas, purchased one drink for new pasarelas girl, (2) drinks for my "x" girl at pasarelas, blew off my old flame from the salida the night before, buying her no drinks but fondly acknowledging her presence, and then bar fined my "x" girl from pasarelas for a (6) hour fuck fest that lasted until 6:30am monday morning.

that translates to an expenditure rate of about $300us a day if you have unrestricted, unbridled fun. i could not have jammed any more fun into the mix. i simply am almost unable to pop at this juncture. i am still supposed to call my new girl from infinito for a meeting this afternoon. fortunately, i told her that "if" i can, i will call her. but, honestly, i am totally satiated.

here is where i think i probably busted my budget....between the private room at givenchy and giving my old flame her girl fee when she would have been perfectly happy going with me free of charge...that would have saved me about $200. but, the way i figure it, if i hadn't paid my girl saturday night by giving her $100us, and instead accepted her freebie offer, i would have been totally obligated to her in the club on sunday night, probably having to buy her a large number of drinks. by paying her saturday night, i was free to bar fine whomever i chose sunday night. and, as i said, sunday night was an absolute steal.

so, lets go over the experience i had in the private room at givenchy. first, the room is about 10' x10', it has a sink and a bathroom, but no shower. the sink has a soap dispenser, seemingly plenty of paper towels in the cannister. it would have been nice to have a shower, but then there's the added cost of the laundering that has to go on with that kind of operation. but, i would have paid 350 pesos just to have a shower there. it also has a flat screen tv mounted on the wall in the room that has two couches in it. the soccer game was on when we occupied the room.

there is no bed, so my girl actually at one point ordered me on the floor where she could ride me cow girl, my preferred position too actually. at first, i wasn't sure what she had in mind, but eventually i understood that she wanted to mount me with me lying flat. the only place to do that is to lie flat on the hard floor. i don't remember if it's even carpeted. i recall thinking "this is a damned hard floor." but, hey, if you have back problems, maybe it aint so bad. oh well, maybe they should consider putting some kind of mattress in there or something.

first, the cost of renting the room is 300 pesos for 2 hours. but, of course, what you don't initially realize is the hidden costs. here is where you mp guys will find your opportunity to crucify me with respect to the scamming that goes on the clubs. i wasn't really surprised, and i was sacrificing myself on the alter of mongerdom, and for the betterment of mongerdom, selflessly for the benefit of all to gleen a first hand idea of what an experience in the room might be like. i hope you will go easy on me in exchange for my benevolent sacrifices.

i did not experience any pressure from the waiter to rush our time. however, i was quite ready to leave about a half hour before time would have been up. i was simply tired of the girl, and ready to move on after about 1-1/2 hours. maybe they would rent the room by the hour for less. not a bad thought.

one hour would be fine, and akin to the massage experience. actually, this experience was close to all my past experiences with massage. even in thailand, in the soapies, where the experience is similiar to the mp scene, i find myself only going for a soapie maybe once out of an entire week. now, the soapies are the grand daddy of all mp kinds of experiences, and selection far exceeds any mty low to medium level quality of selection i've ever seen. so, it does all boil down to personal preferences.

but, anyway, back to the room, suffice it to say, the girl had to drink sufficiently to make as much money as she could, so she ordered a new drink at least every half hour or so. obviously, this escalates the cost of the room, a new drink every half hour at the rate of 60 pesos per girl drink (i think i recall it being 60 pesos per girl drink, but don't quote me). plus of course, when they brought the condom it cost another 10 pesos or something...i don't really remember.

i know....cut me some slack, ok...i should have anticipated the potential scamming of the drink thing in the room, but i just didn't mind this time because i wanted to see what it was going to be like. i would fully expect it next time, and probably warn the girl to hold back a little. but, considering her perspective, at 400 pesos for two hours, she probably is motivated by management to sell a lot of drinks in there, and of course, to bolster her own income.

and, this girl, while rauchy as hell, and absolutely devouring me in every way possible...in "g" girl fashion...i was not really satisfied with her per se. she was drunk, etc...and not anything like anything from my normal range of selection, obviously one of the lower class types, not a lot of finesse, and of course, the beer has a tendency to make them even less enjoyable with respect to personality.

i don't really like dealing with drunks, but she was ok as drunks go, at least with respect to attitude. she would have been arrested were she behind the wheel. but, the only reason that i chose to go with her was the extent of her amorous behavior toward me. she was either really hot for "me," or she was really drunk, either way the ultimate result is the same, right?

anyway, she just kept up with the compliments and the amorous behavior, and frankly, she was so amorously aggressive that i just thought her whole approach was quite a turn-on. she was a total animal, with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) on her mind.

here is some psychological stuff that sort of intrigues me...

one would like to assume she was really that turned on, and that it wasn't an act, or just the alcohol, except of course to realize that, by the alcohol possibly reducing her natural inhibitions, it may also indicate her true state of mind, that her amorous behavior was legit. i don't think any girl has probably had that kind of display of affection except for maybe my "g" girl, and she was not drunk, and then, there was that girl in tangalay too on saturday night, and she wasn't drunk either.

i have to mention here though, that at one point, she was telling me her life's story, telling me how much she liked me, that i turned her on, etc...and she showing all kinds of female amorous mating rituals. that i began to contemplate the following...

one of several things is going on when they seem this sincere, first the alcohol has them seeing even someone as ugly as shrek as attractive, or the alcohol has made them more emotionally vulnerable so that they are less inhibited in saying certain things, and acting out certain behaviors, or they are total and complete actresses, even in a drunken state, under the influence to such an extent that i doubt they would be able to think clearly enough to walk a chalk line or be able to touch their noses without fucking up. so, the question is, if the alcohol is making them less coniving, are their expressed amorous seemingly legit uninhibited attentions more or less legitimate?

for example...

she was telling me her life's problems, a position i seem to find myself in quite often. usually, i chalk it off to opportunism on the part of girls that are at their wits...hoping to get the benevolence of the kind gringo. but, in this case, with her so far under the influence, i suspect her words were from the heart, and legitimately felt with respect to her being tormented by the circumstances of her life.

i just mentioned something sympathetic about her life being tough, that perhaps it's hard for her, having a child, and nobody home to share her life with, just acknowledging a little compassion.

then, the tears started, and she started to hold onto me, hug me up, kiss me. i don't know...even when they are drunk i seem to get into their heads. anyway, i was just making conversation...you know, trying to just be "undertanding" in a kind way...just as any of you might also do. most of you, especially the strong cobrons, are totally turned off by this kind of drama from a girl, but i kind of find it interesting in a clinical sort of way. and, hey, if it yields a better gfe, i am all for it.

anyway, she was so seemingly hot to trot...either way, hot, or good actress, or sincere, legitimately amorous, whatever, that she turned me on sufficiently to get me into that room. before i left she was very insistent in getting me to write my hotel information down so she can get ahold of me for today.

i gave her the pda hotel name, no room number, wastedg and mr. l's names....hahahah...she was too drunk to know what she was doing (don't worry, just kidding guys). i'm, of course, staying elsewhere this trip. :d you see, she wanted me to buy her a cell phone today so we could stay in touch...hahahah, they never give up!!!! verdad!!!!!

but, all in all, the experience was kind of cool. the girls end of the romp was 400 pesos. so, you get the room, and the girl, and buy maybe 4-5 drinks, and the total cost will be around 940 pesos, or a little under $94us dollares. now, when i consider the cost of paying a salida, it's a little cheaper to use the room. i mean, most of the time, if you're held to the two hour time limit in the clubs, your cost on salida is going to run you about 1350 pesos. but, you can usually negotiate the girl's end of things down, dropping her fee down so that in the end, the cost will many times come out to about 1000-1100 pesos for two hours back at your hotel. but, with the room, you don't have to waste travel time, etc...the only downside to the room is several things compared to going on salida to your hotel:

1. no stereo, no musical selections from my private collection.
2. no shower to clean up.
3. no bed or comfortable matress.
4. interruptions occassionally with having to replenish drinks.

but, othewise, for guys like porker, precocious one, or carlos for example, guys who live in mexico but don't really want to rent a hotel room or bring the girls home...well, the cost of renting the room might be justified...only 300 pesos.

tonight's a new night...today, probably going to the obsession or prestige for lunch buffet. i'm simply too pooped to pump at this juncture. so, i'll probably have to reschedule my new girl from el infinito for another day. i definitely want to have some fun with her, and she offers a nice classy alternative to only having my "g" girl occassionally available. my "g" girl has not been at work. i will probably see her sometime this week, but only if i can nail her down amongst the other possibilities. future reports to follow...

El Cabron 007

07-31-07, 03:57

Nice report Bob.

Not to bust your balls, but Givenchy's has another private room which is about 4 times the size of the one you used for $50 and I was given 4 hours. Really feels like a suite.

However, since my girl's she-husband got jealous and angry, I decided to opt out in order to keep the peace. Turned out one of the marriage conditions (prenuptials?) had my name on it. "No sex with Wasted" ... Should I be proud?

She thanked me with a BBBJ under the table right there in the club.

Wasted.

Member #3453

07-31-07, 05:08

i'll have to scope out the larger room. was there a shower in the room? did it have carpet or hard tile floors? do you want me to find "x" to see if she would like to give me the same consideration? :d (just kidding) i will try to find her, but only to say hi.

you know, i have to ask, with a girl with "she-husband" kinds of proclivities, well...i have always wondered, since there are so many girls in the biz that are either bi or gay, just how they pull that off with respect to their own passion for a male, etc...the gfe is so important to me, and that would seem to be a pre-requisite that they be straight in order to pull it off. maybe you have some particular insite into your experiences with your "x" girl that would enlighten me.

i mean, frankly, i have a girl in mind that is supposed to be straight, has a kid, etc...but, i just have a feeling that she is a little gay. i don't know what to expect of them. what kind of gfe do you get. your's a walk on the wild side that i am not particularly used to wasted, and would like some kind of detail as to what it's like.

i just got back to my room after spending a couple of hours at the buffet at obsession. i found a new girl, been working there only a month she says. i have never seen her before. she is flaca, and just the type i like. her name is nicole, she is 20, black hair, hair which was formerly shoulder length but now she has cut it yesterday to neck length...very cutesy...i like it, and her. i am sensing from her that there may be an opportunity to see her outside the clubs, but i haven't known her long enough to be sure. carlos, do you know her? i bought the girl (5) drinks, and am attempting to set up a salida arrangement. we'll see how it goes. so, this afternoon, i increased the overall expendures by 400 pesos. i guess i'm doing ok.

next on the agenda, take a nap, then later, check out el infinito, maybe a massage place or two, but just for selection criteria. i feel i am still literally too pooped to pump. tomorrow holds a little more promise. i think that i might choose to take a night off tonight, except other than to just visit the bars for a little fun in the privados...socializing, maybe go to casino to scope out the potential.

nice report bob.

not to bust your balls, but givenchy's has another private room which is about 4 times the size of the one you used for $50 and i was given 4 hours. really feels like a suite.

however, since my girl's she-husband got jealous and angry, i decided to opt out in order to keep the peace. turned out one of the marriage conditions (prenuptials?) had my name on it. "no sex with wasted" ... should i be proud?

she thanked me with a bbbj under the table right there in the club.

wasted.

El Cabron 007

07-31-07, 06:32

If the girl does not tell you she is gay, you will never know it until you see her act out her lust.

I do not recall if the other room had carpet or not and did not get a chance to look at the bathroom for a shower. I was a little busy, if you know what I mean.

My Lady J should be at Prestige. Say hello if you go there. You should also see "X". She works there as well. Yeah I know, she gets around.

Carlos is back in town. Run for cover.

Wasted

I'll have to scope out the larger room. Was there a shower in the room? Did it have carpet or hard tile floors? Do you want me to find "X" to see if she would like to give me the same consideration? :D (just kidding) I will try to find her, but only to say hi.

You know, I have to ask, with a girl with "she-husband" kinds of proclivities, well...I have always wondered, since there are so many girls in the biz that are either bi or gay, just how they pull that off with respect to their own passion for a male, etc...The GFE is so important to me, and that would seem to be a pre-requisite that they be straight in order to pull it off. Maybe you have some particular insite into your experiences with your "X" girl that would enlighten me.

Member #3453

07-31-07, 07:21

I'll definitely say hello to your Lady J and "X" as well. I am not sure whether to advocate going to Prestige tomorrow or to keep pouring on the dinero to try to gage my new girl's reactions over at Obsession. I'll leave it up to Carlos, especially if he knows her and can advise me better. But, she hasn't been there long, and she is literally the only true flaca morena that I remember seeing in a long time.

Please, any comments are welcome here in the USB section, even frivolous ones that are not permitted in the main section. That's the beauty of it. Here, those of us that wish to establish a brotherhood can do so unmolested. Comments can be directed between participants without restraint, judgements, etc...like this...

Welcome home C... :D

If the girl does not tell you she is gay, you will never know it until you see her act out her lust.

I do not recall if the other room had carpet or not and did not get a chance to look at the bathroom for a shower. I was a little busy, if you know what I mean.

My Lady J should be at Prestige. Say hello if you go there. You should also see "X". She works there as well. Yeah I know, she gets around.

Carlos is back in town. Run for cover.

Wasted

Member #3453

07-31-07, 07:30

I was given 4 hours.Wasted.

I was running out of patience and becoming bored in that environment after 1-1/2 hours. But then, maybe it was just because I was becoming bored with having to deal with a drunken girl. I've had enough of that sort of thing.

Maybe if I were in there for an extended period with one of my favoritas it would be different.

But, all in all, I think it has merit over the discomfort of the privados. If only the MPs had the selection, I can see the parallel. I should check out Signore some more.

So, was it an improvement with respect to there being a bed or somewhere to lie down? I mean, with couches it's nice but, just not versatile enough.

It's always something 'ya know...the MPs are lacking in selection, and the Privados are lacking in comfort. Somebody needs to close the gap. This is where the comparison of TJ to Monterrey begins. TJ seems to address the gap between cost and comfort...but, from what I have heard, MTY has TJ beat with respect to selection.

MonterreyDude

07-31-07, 14:59

May I repeat again that only Lady J is working at the Prestige.
X-Girl is not working and I think, not working at all....
Wasted... wasn't she working at the Tangaly????

I'll definitely say hello to your Lady J and "X" as well. I am not sure whether to advocate going to Prestige tomorrow or to keep pouring on the dinero to try to gage my new girl's reactions over at Obsession. I'll leave it up to Carlos, especially if he knows her and can advise me better. But, she hasn't been there long, and she is literally the only true flaca morena that I remember seeing in a long time.

Please, any comments are welcome here in the USB section, even frivolous ones that are not permitted in the main section. That's the beauty of it. Here, those of us that wish to establish a brotherhood can do so unmolested. Comments can be directed between participants without restraint, judgements, etc...like this...

Welcome home C... :D

El Cabron 007

07-31-07, 21:37

Carlos leaves town for a weekend and he loses track of the girls. How can I trust you with the kids if you can't keep up?

May I repeat again that only Lady J is working at the Prestige.
X-Girl is not working and I think, not working at all....
Wasted... wasn't she working at the Tangaly????

MonterreyDude

08-01-07, 01:38

Cause, after returning from Playa del Carmen, I went next day to the Prestige... be that Friday the 20th and no one mentioned the X-Girl at all.
I also went back on Monday the 23rd and no X-Girl, only Lady J.
And am going again today Tuesday in a couple of minutes....

Carlos leaves town for a weekend and he loses track of the girls. How can I trust you with the kids if you can't keep up?

El Cabron 007

08-01-07, 01:57

hmm, are you saying the girls can be unreable? Well where am I gonna find anther stripper in Monterrey?

Cause, after returning from Playa del Carmen, I went next day to the Prestige... be that Friday the 20th and no one mentioned the X-Girl at all.
I also went back on Monday the 23rd and no X-Girl, only Lady J.
And am going again today Tuesday in a couple of minutes....

Mill Just

08-01-07, 03:52

Now, UNO, maybe its just my imagination, but in the tone of your posts you seem to be a lot happier and satisified. As I told you, being a bit of a cabron is a helluva lot more fun than being stuck in a rut at the mercy of one main chica...Your last couple of trip reports have been the best you've posted in at least a year. Keep up the good work!

Now with regards to the whole MP debate. You, personally will never be happy with the MPs, not neccesarily because they are of poor quality because, even if you found all stunners, they wouldn't give you what you need psychologically in a mongering session.

However, the MPs, as well as some street action and escorts, serve an essential purpose in the life of a monger. They are meant as something to hold us over until we can get what we want. The best bet would be to clean out the pipes in the afternoon and then head out for the strip clubs to do some networking at night.

Looking for FS (and good FS) at a strip club costs tons of money and time overall. And some mongers, who simply don't get to travel that much, will never get the level of service that we, who live here, and those, who travel here often, can get. That fact alone makes looking for good FS at a strip club very expensive and not worth the time and expense/ satisfaction level ratio.

In order to get good GFE from a stripper you need to: 1) Be a good customer and 2) Have the time to make yourself a known entity to her. So, basically, you need lots of money and time to make all this happen- something that might make the occasional visitor balk at the prospects. I think mastermind is in that group of mongers who just says that its not worth it. For those people, the MPs fit right into their accessibility.

In the short run, you are paying a great deal of money for the stripper, comparable to US rates when you factor in drinks, privados, transportation and, for those who live abroad, travel costs. However, in the long run, you come out ahead. (Uno, when you mentioned the 30 dollars/hr stat that you figured out, I did some math here with one of my favorite chicas; My calculations came out to about 2 dollars/ hr over the course of a year- not bad at all!) Unfortunately, for the occasional visitor, there is no long run and they just get stuck paying the higher rates for the strip club scene. For those occasional visitors, the MPs may be a good option when factoring in price and time, just as the escorts are a good option here in Morelia for those occasional mongers.

By the way, speaking of escorts...what's the escort scene like in Monterrey? In Morelia, it has become pretty damn good with prices ranging from 300 to 1000 for a hot chica in the comfort of your room.

So, anyway, to each his own. We all monger for different resons. Some want that GFE affection that UNO craves and others monger so that they won't have to have an emotional connection. As for me.....? I like it all...Sex is like pizza...even when its bad, its pretty damn good...

Have fun,

Mill

With respect to my spending habits this trip. I am way, way over budget. I calculate that so far I have spent $711US Dollares after currency conversion, with the fun beginning Saturday night...etc, etc, etc...

El Cabron 007

08-01-07, 03:59

Amazingly, I just posted the same exact question to Carlos commenting that Bob seems a lot happier and is becoming the new Monterrey cabron.

See Bob, we all knew you had it in you. You ARE the bastard you were accusing us of being.

No I'm worried :-)

Wasted

Now, UNO, maybe its just my imagination, but in the tone of your posts you seem to be a lot happier and satisified. As I told you, being a bit of a cabron is a helluva lot more fun than being stuck in a rut at the mercy of one main chica...Your last couple of trip reports have been the best you've posted in at least a year. Keep up the good work!
Mill

Member #3453

08-01-07, 06:30

Take this, take that...MJ, WastedG, Carlos, Mastermind....UMPHHHHHHHH!!!

I started the evening last night by first intending to visit my “G”girl at El Infinito, primarily just to see if she was showing up to work Monday night, and to touch base with her.

My liason with her would prove shocking, but not surprising in one sense, and ultimately frustrating otherwise.

You see, several months ago, my "G" girl had revealed to me that she believed her boobs were simply too small, and that she just felt that she needed an edge to continue in her chosen profession. So, she asked me what I would think if she got a boob job. I told her that I did not like fake boobs, and that I preferred a natural girl, even if her boobs were small.

But, I also told her that if she chose to get them, that I believed she should get boobs that were similar to a girl who had just gotten them at El Infinito, our “R” girl as we refer to her. “R” girl has boobs that are some of the best I’ve seen, properly sized for her body, attractive, etc…and my “G” girls are quite similar.

However, I believe that my “G” girl looks fatter now, and less attractive with her knew set of knockers than she did when her's were relatively small to medium sized. I don’t understand how getting bigger boobs makes a girl look fatter in the lower body, but she does.

Now, maybe it’s because she had been off work for a month, getting and recovering from her fake boobs, I don’t know. Maybe someone with medical experience in these areas can comment. Her boobs look nice, and probably, they will make her body relatively attractive clothed and otherwise. But, my problem with fake boobs has always been that they’re just too hard, and not a natural feel.

She has, IMHO, ruined her appeal. Fortunately, I still love her attentions, which has really very little to do with her boobs. But, honestly, I am kind of interested in sessioning with her again, with the falsies, just to see if her appeal actually as been adversely effected. If so, that would be a shame…Oh well…NEXT :D

She did not tell me when she was going to do it, but she definitely disclosed that it was a possibility, in addition to her also possibly wanting to change her stage name as well. So, I kind of saw it coming, but was relatively shocked to show up this trip to find fake boobs on an otherwise flawless body. Rather disappointing actually.

What disappoints me most is that her appeal to me was that she was a seemingly nice girl amongst the tattooed, fake boobed, otherwise sometimes raunchy puntas at El Infinito. What appealed to me about her in the past was her projected freshness. Now, she just seems like all the rest of the puntas working the bar, which I always realized she was.

But, of course, with GFE, 90% of the battle is perceptions with respect to our living out our fantasies. So, my melancholy has more to do with her becoming something I always knew she was, but now flaunting it in a fashion that turns me off. I think I will also suggest to her that she should get a few tattoos to complete the transition. That comment should set nicely. I will then undoubtedly have two angry girls to contend with. I think I’ll just keep my mouth shut and move on, verdad :D What do you think WastedG, Carlos, Mr. L, Q, Grady, MJ???

After reconciling my feelings over this depressing transition, I decided that I would venture over to Pasarelas to sit with my real puntas, girls that I realize are the same as my “G” girl, but my “delusions of purity” are less dependent on my level of satisfaction with them than with my “G” girl, who has almost lost whatever level of appeal she might have had with me through her recent transition to blatant hookerdom, thereby quite possibly bursting the necessary bubble for future desirability where I am concerned.

During the course of my leaving El Infinito, I decided to check out one of the massage parlors to determine the selection, and then on to another one that I found on the way to Pasarelas. I commented on these in the main section of the board. No need to elaborate unless specific questions are needing answered.

This is going to get into a lot of strategy oriented material. It is what separates the MP experience from the strip clubs. The MPs do not require any game whatsoever other than a serious pair of shoes, with sufficient shoe leather, and a lot of physical energy to complete the canvassing process in search of the holy grail.

But, the strip clubs require significant political posturing, and a serious game. So, from the perspective that a monger may not choose or enjoy engaging in serious political and psychological games, the MPs ARE indeed probably your better choice, if you are not also demanding with respect to superior quality of selection in comparison to the clubs…

If you do have a desire for quality of selection, then no amount of denial is going to save you with respect to most of the massage parlors. Brush up on your game or you will find it seriously frustrating, even more than my whining here about my own circumstances seems to indicate.

Once in Pasarelas, I decided that I would try to sit with a new girl tonight, just scope out other talent. I have to be a little careful now because I literally have about (5) girls in there that are in varying stages of salida development. Some I have to be really careful that I do not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off while attempting to develop other relationships.

Last night, I found a new girl purely by accident. She is a friend of my long time favorite from TVO, Cindy #1, who now works at Pasarelas. Well, you may remember, I bar fined Cindy #1 on Saturday night, and then on Sunday night I bar fined my “X”girl.

Well, I realized that when I sat with “X” girl on Saturday night Cindy #1 was going to see it, and she did attempt to sit with me initially, realizing eventually that she was not going to be the focus of my attention. I am so glad I paid her well Saturday night, $100US, but also, a credit to her, she stayed four hours with me.

But, I could tell now, while sitting with my “X” girl that Cindy was seemingly a little jealous that I am so easily swayed to another, when she knows that I also care for her deeply, which I do. But, the game is to have GFE, and GFE is depending on some degree of perceived affection, whether it is fake, real, or whatever.

Anyway, I could tell as she sat relatively next to my “X” girl and me, that she was just seemingly a little quiet, and a little jealous, jealous meaning for whatever reason, financial or otherwise. She eventually went off to the main couch where all the benched girls generally sit until they are lucky enough to snag a client. Cindy #1 is getting older, and she has gotten a little bigger. She is still quite a good bar fine, and quite a hot girl, having one of the damned tighest twats I have ever had the pleasure of….yes indeedy.

But, anyway, when she realized she was not going to partake in the drink buying that night with my “X” girl, she was very gracious in leaving the scene of the crime without incident, and with a lot of class. But, again, this is where my paying her for the prior night, $100US, was so crucial in possibly preserving her for future fun.

If I had taken her up on her offer of a freebie, I would have never, ever, have been able to get away with doing what I did, that is with respect to Cindy’s future attitude, had I not paid Cindy #1 the night before. It is always very tempting to take the cheap way out by accepting freebies, but you are almost never better off doing so. Even with my “G” girl, I always “help” her when there have been numerous opportunities to do otherwise. It is strictly good mongering business if you’re working the clubs.

Again, I can see where a lot of guys might find this psychological and strategic positioning to be a pain in the arse, and for them, I can certainly understand their preference for MP action, which requires absolutely none of that. But, for those of us that enjoy the club circuit, half the fun is the chase and the game itself, not to mention the comradre of those who appreciate what we all must go through.

I was discussing with Carlos this afternoon about the strategy of working the clubs. He scribbled the following on a napkin because it was just too damned loud to hear...I thought it worthy...."NO PLAN SURVIVES CONTACT WITH THE ENEMY." :D I couldn't stop grinning...

Member #3453

08-01-07, 07:01

Thank you for your comments...my expenditures to date are already through the roof. Do you know that in three nights, I have spent no less than $750, that is through this afternoon following our time in Prestige and Obsession for the lunch buffets.

So, the charges that you can spend an absolute fortune, even patronizing the lower and medium end clubs is certainly not untrue. But, with respect to time spent, there really is no comparison to the US, not even with the transportation fees factored in.

I mean, the first two girls in a US setting, for the time spent, would have cost me no less than $3000US. Both girls were "stripper," and I mean, HOT stripper quality. We all have our US strip clubs in our respective big cities....pick out the cream of the crop, and that's what I had my way with on Saturday and Sunday night. That does not include all the fun that I had in the privados, and just buying drinks and clowning around in the clubs. But, MJ, I am green with envy :D (literally here) over your price points in Morelia.

I fully expect to bar fine someone tonight, probably have some fun in the privados, maybe bar fine my "G" girl...I love her so, even with fake boobs. But, the new girl at Pasarelas, my "A" girl is so frickin' HOT. I mean she has a body that is like the frickin' pavement, young, wicked curves, and totally natural.

Oh, I forgot to report too that last night, there was this girl in Givenchy, a short little flaca blonde, really young looker, 18 years old. She had such a HOT, HOT, body, and she knew it too. I took her into the privados, and after a few moments, not wanting to waste too much on her in determining her potential, I popped the question. She wanted 2000 pesos to go on salida, and of course, you would also have to pay the bar fine, 350 pesos. I almost couldn't stop laughing :D Some of these girls think their shit just simply does not stink, verdad? I wouldn't pay 2350 pesos for J-Lo in the flesh...well, maybe, but...:D

Anyway, that kind of quotation, 2000 pesos from a girl working in Givenchy, even if she does have a hot body, is ridiculous. I just wanted to site that discrepency with respect to the clubs as ammunition for the MP guys that like to site reasons that keep them out of the clubs and on their side of the tracks.

With respect to my being happy. I am happy and simultaneously triste because I feel I have lost connection with a girl (G) that formerly provided me with a lot of emotionally felt sincerity in the moment...perfect GFE. It would be akin to Signore burning to the ground for those of you that like the MP scene :D

Your perspective is that the girls, unless caught in the fire, are still around and available, but something has changed, maybe for the worse. That is where I am with my "G" girl. Only time will tell...but, fortunately, my "fun" factor has been incredible this trip. In saying that, my emotional nurishment factor is still kind of starved.

I will give "G" girl her chance to fill me up...or more accurately, I will fill her up....:D And, were things to go sour...well, I have some really, unbelievably hot options at Pasarelas, which has become my new preferred venue, even at a slightly higher price of 600 pesos for salida, and 1000 pesos for the girl for the average of two hours, unless of course you can negotiate longer with the girl.

By the way, Pasarelas does not seem to hold the girls to time as closely at all compared to El Infinito. It seems more a matter of what the girl wants to agree to. For example, both my Cindy #1 and my "X" girl agreeing to stay out 4 and 6 hours respectively, with no increase in the bar fine amount in exchange for added time over and above 2 hours.

Now, UNO, maybe its just my imagination, but in the tone of your posts you seem to be a lot happier and satisified. As I told you, being a bit of a cabron is a helluva lot more fun than being stuck in a rut at the mercy of one main chica...Your last couple of trip reports have been the best you've posted in at least a year. Keep up the good work!

Now with regards to the whole MP debate. You, personally will never be happy with the MPs, not neccesarily because they are of poor quality because, even if you found all stunners, they wouldn't give you what you need psychologically in a mongering session.

However, the MPs, as well as some street action and escorts, serve an essential purpose in the life of a monger. They are meant as something to hold us over until we can get what we want. The best bet would be to clean out the pipes in the afternoon and then head out for the strip clubs to do some networking at night.

Looking for FS (and good FS) at a strip club costs tons of money and time overall. And some mongers, who simply don't get to travel that much, will never get the level of service that we, who live here, and those, who travel here often, can get. That fact alone makes looking for good FS at a strip club very expensive and not worth the time and expense/ satisfaction level ratio.

In order to get good GFE from a stripper you need to: 1) Be a good customer and 2) Have the time to make yourself a known entity to her. So, basically, you need lots of money and time to make all this happen- something that might make the occasional visitor balk at the prospects. I think mastermind is in that group of mongers who just says that its not worth it. For those people, the MPs fit right into their accessibility.

In the short run, you are paying a great deal of money for the stripper, comparable to US rates when you factor in drinks, privados, transportation and, for those who live abroad, travel costs. However, in the long run, you come out ahead. (Uno, when you mentioned the 30 dollars/hr stat that you figured out, I did some math here with one of my favorite chicas; My calculations came out to about 2 dollars/ hr over the course of a year- not bad at all!) Unfortunately, for the occasional visitor, there is no long run and they just get stuck paying the higher rates for the strip club scene. For those occasional visitors, the MPs may be a good option when factoring in price and time, just as the escorts are a good option here in Morelia for those occasional mongers.

By the way, speaking of escorts...what's the escort scene like in Monterrey? In Morelia, it has become pretty damn good with prices ranging from 300 to 1000 for a hot chica in the comfort of your room.

So, anyway, to each his own. We all monger for different resons. Some want that GFE affection that UNO craves and others monger so that they won't have to have an emotional connection. As for me.....? I like it all...Sex is like pizza...even when its bad, its pretty damn good...

Have fun,

Mill

Precocious One

08-01-07, 08:18

If this is the same girl I am thinking of whose name starts with an "A" and bears one son, then yes indeed. A hot twenty-year-old unit. Although I have not seen her in a while as she basically only works weekends, a very fun and wet time she will provide in the privada.

As I was downtown today for unrelated reasons, I stumbled upon two other MP's across the street from the bus terminals. Needless to say I left because they were all. Oh, what's the use.

MonterreyDude

08-01-07, 08:48

Again... your X-Girl is NOT working at the Prestige.
As you know, USB and me went there today... no X marks the spot....

hmm, are you saying the girls can be unreable? Well where am I gonna find anther stripper in Monterrey?

MonterreyDude

08-01-07, 08:54

Let us not forget that I have found a new irregularity in the time/space fabric: USB is a magnet.
Yes, a human magnet to married club girls and girls that are vestal virgins.
This is not a joke.
Ask him.

Thank you for your comments...my expenditures to date are already through the roof. Do you know that in three nights, I have spent no less than $750, that is through this afternoon following our time in Prestige and Obsession for the lunch buffets.

So, the charges that you can spend an absolute fortune, even patronizing the lower and medium end clubs is certainly not untrue. But, with respect to time spent, there really is no comparison to the US, not even with the transportation fees factored in.

I mean, the first two girls in a US setting, for the time spent, would have cost me no less than $3000US. Both girls were "stripper," and I mean, HOT stripper quality. We all have our US strip clubs in our respective big cities....pick out the cream of the crop, and that's what I had my way with on Saturday and Sunday night. That does not include all the fun that I had in the privados, and just buying drinks and clowning around in the clubs. But, MJ, I am green with envy :D (literally here) over your price points in Morelia.

I fully expect to bar fine someone tonight, probably have some fun in the privados, maybe bar fine my "G" girl...I love her so, even with fake boobs. But, the new girl at Pasarelas, my "A" girl is so frickin' HOT. I mean she has a body that is like the frickin' pavement, young, wicked curves, and totally natural.

Oh, I forgot to report too that last night, there was this girl in Givenchy, a short little flaca blonde, really young looker, 18 years old. She had such a HOT, HOT, body, and she knew it too. I took her into the privados, and after a few moments, not wanting to waste too much on her in determining her potential, I popped the question. She wanted 2000 pesos to go on salida, and of course, you would also have to pay the bar fine, 350 pesos. I almost couldn't stop laughing :D Some of these girls think their shit just simply does not stink, verdad? I wouldn't pay 2350 pesos for J-Lo in the flesh...well, maybe, but...:D

Anyway, that kind of quotation, 2000 pesos from a girl working in Givenchy, even if she does have a hot body, is ridiculous. I just wanted to site that discrepency with respect to the clubs as ammunition for the MP guys that like to site reasons that keep them out of the clubs and on their side of the tracks.

With respect to my being happy. I am happy and simultaneously triste because I feel I have lost connection with a girl (G) that formerly provided me with a lot of emotionally felt sincerity in the moment...perfect GFE. It would be akin to Signore burning to the ground for those of you that like the MP scene :D

Your perspective is that the girls, unless caught in the fire, are still around and available, but something has changed, maybe for the worse. That is where I am with my "G" girl. Only time will tell...but, fortunately, my "fun" factor has been incredible this trip. In saying that, my emotional nurishment factor is still kind of starved.

I will give "G" girl her chance to fill me up...or more accurately, I will fill her up....:D And, were things to go sour...well, I have some really, unbelievably hot options at Pasarelas, which has become my new preferred venue, even at a slightly higher price of 600 pesos for salida, and 1000 pesos for the girl for the average of two hours, unless of course you can negotiate longer with the girl.

By the way, Pasarelas does not seem to hold the girls to time as closely at all compared to El Infinito. It seems more a matter of what the girl wants to agree to. For example, both my Cindy #1 and my "X" girl agreeing to stay out 4 and 6 hours respectively, with no increase in the bar fine amount in exchange for added time over and above 2 hours.

Member #3453

08-01-07, 12:34

Carlos says..."USB is a magnet."

Married chics are the most depraved, and vestal virgins are the tightest...need I say more :D

WastedG, your P girl is back working at El Infinito....I told her hello for you in a very brief exchange. I will try to find her tomorrow and give her cookies and candies in our collective names.

I double bar fined my G girl tonight. She could stay until 11pm, and she just left.

I am hoooooouuuuuked again. She is fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!! And, I like her fake boobs...sort of...well, you see, fake boobs make her a little more amorously sensitive there, and she was even more responsive now with her fake boobs than before. I feel like I am driving a hot sports car with a tiger in the tank and leopard under the hood.

I will elaborate tomorrow, but suffice it to say I was right about her being my best GFE all along, even if she is the absolute most insincere thing on the face of the earth, nobody, bar none, nobody comes close to my GFE with her. I am totally and completely smitten.

But, that all having been said, you will a breath a sigh of relief when I also disclose that I am now headed out for Pasarelas to have some more fun. So, you seeeeeeee, while I AM TOTALLY SMITTEN, I am also equally guilty of being the Cabron.

G girl is supposed to come over tomorrow morning around 10am to spend the day. We will see if she shows up. But, even if she does, I will probably still be visiting the Obsession or Prestige for lunch Carlos. Keep me on the agenda. I figure that if she has to go into work, she will probably need to be there by about 3pm at the latest, which means I should be able to make it for lunch.

Let us not forget that I have found a new irregularity in the time/space fabric: USB is a magnet.
Yes, a human magnet to married club girls and girls that are vestal virgins.
This is not a joke.
Ask him.

El Cabron 007

08-01-07, 14:24

Thank you Bob. I am relieved to hear she is back at work. You see, I feel bad because I think, and this is only a guess, that I am the reason she did not work for so long. Gave me her health check ID thingy to hold for her while we were at Taboo and I handed it over to another girl thinking it was hers. The other girl lost it then and has not worked since then. She never told me that but I know it was my fault she lost it.

I'm gonna have to make it up to her ... give her 2 cookies instead of 1.

Wasted

WastedG, your P girl is back working at El Infinito....I told her hello for you in a very brief exchange. I will try to find her tomorrow and give her cookies and candies in our collective names.

Member #3453

08-01-07, 15:06

I will give her as many galletas as she wants and tell her you love her very much. She is a beautiful girl, and I always looked for her in the club. She is very pretty. I think I may have missed seeing her the last time I was in town, and El Infi really doesn't seem like the same old dive without her "quality of selection" to brighten up the place. With your "X" girl gone, and some of the other regulars, it seems like something is missing. Even my G girl has been gone tending to her mother's ailments and getting her fake boobs.

Carlos said something today that haunts my thoughts...that perhaps we are once again in the midst of a transition of talent, the next generation coming on the scene, a scene that with every few new generations, seems to also change with respect to attitude of the girls, selection, everything.

Like most everyone else, I really don't like change too much. With that kind of transition, there are sometimes subtle and sometimes major strategic adjustments to deal with. It seems that we may be entering another of those periods in the clubs...and the key there is....we aint getting any younger, a major strategic and psychological consideration...the age of everyone concerned.

Thank you Bob. I am relieved to hear she is back at work. You see, I feel bad because I think, and this is only a guess, that I am the reason she did not work for so long. Gave me her health check ID thingy to hold for her while we were at Taboo and I handed it over to another girl thinking it was hers. The other girl lost it then and has not worked since then. She never told me that but I know it was my fault she lost it.

I'm gonna have to make it up to her ... give her 2 cookies instead of 1.

Wasted

Member #3453

08-01-07, 15:13

Thanks for the update...I will chalk that MP assessment off as a "NO," then :D And yes, you are most very probably correct sir, with respect to "my" "A" Girl, she also has expressed her dying devotion at every opportunity....hahaha!!! :D right!

If this is the same girl I am thinking of whose name starts with an "A" and bears one son, then yes indeed. A hot twenty-year-old unit. Although I have not seen her in a while as she basically only works weekends, a very fun and wet time she will provide in the privada.

As I was downtown today for unrelated reasons, I stumbled upon two other MP's across the street from the bus terminals. Needless to say I left because they were all. Oh, what's the use.

Member #3453

08-01-07, 23:05

Actually, I sat with the "A" girl for the first time just two nights ago. I remember that she met me once when I was sitting with Cindy #1. Well, actually, I do not remember meeting her, but when we met for what I thought was going to be the first time the other night, when she approached me, I was really very pleasantly surprised.

I had noticed this absolutely hot arsed girl dancing on one of the stages, and walking around the club. I think she is almost always occupied. I can't imagine she being available for more than a nano-second if there is anyone in the place at all. Her body is to the consumate USB specification, and her face is just cutsy enough to be adorable.

You know how it is when you send a waiter over to fetch a new girl, and that first meeting is always just a little tenuous, not really knowing what their interest level might be, etc...

Anyway, when she came over, and began walking toward me and the waiter pointed toward me so she would know whom was summoning her over, she made the most wonderfully revealing squeal, big smiles, literally running over in my direction. I love that reaction. She was much more familiar with me than I was with having seen her. I do not even really remember seeing her before in the club specifically, not until she reminded me we had met once two months ago.

You know, obviously its a situation where a really good girl can turn on the charm when she wants to, and make all kinds of exaggerated displays for effect, and that's always a really satisfying way to meet. I find there are just as many of them that are subdued or just pleasant at the first meeting, but she was seemingly really pleased to be there.

She immediately started to tell my how we had met before, and how I was sitting with Cindy #1 that time, and how she was a good friend of Cindy #1, and how she loves my cookies, and on, and on, and on...

The other night she was telling me that I look like a famous movie star at El Cine...I said something like..."whom, Shrek, Nemo????? She fell off the couch laughing. I had a great time bantering with that one the other night.

But, I also had a hard negotiation with her to go on salida, a truly revealing glimpse into the "professional" hard core that resides within some of them. She and my "X" girl were both sitting with me. And the subject of a threesome came up and the negotiations began.

I had bought them both a jarra (250 pesos each), and I was groping and fondling them simulaneously all night. I actually ended up buying each of them two jarras. That was the night that I had to conserve my energy, and decided that to actually have sex again would just make it almost impossible to pop again.

Even last night with my "G" girl, it took forever for me to finish, and I often wonder if my "G" girl doesn't realize that I am being relatively active behind her back. She never said anything other than to compliment my performance without the aid of viagra :D , a lie I told her about never needing viagra with her. As she was using the bathroom, I took a quick hit of viagra prior to her coming out. :D

But, also, just as a side note, viagra can sometimes make it difficult to actually finish, especially where dosage is concerned. I usualy only take about a quarter or 1/8 of a tablet, and last night was no exception. So, I have to chalk off my taking so long to pop to having literally too much of a good thing all week.

I would much prefer to see my "G" girl early in the week. Our's is a semi legit arrangement, and to burst the bubble with suspicions of my being active elsewhere would only serve to undermine my GFE with her. I can say one thing...she was so wet it was obvious she had not had any for quite some time, a testiment to her not working the bar for a month while she was tending to her madre infirma and getting her fake boobs installed. I digress...back to the threesome story...

Anyway, the subject of cost came up and the girls each quoted first that they would go for 2000 pesos each, plus the bar fine. I told them I had experienced two girls before, many times in Asia for fifty pesos, and that it wasn't all it was cracked up to be :D , and that I thought it was too expensive when I was there. That is also when I threatended right then to get up and leave to find a much better price at El Infinito...They were quite visibly offended, but probably more concerned, if the truth be known.

Of course, they frowned and tried to convince me of just how far superior the experience would be than anything I could find at El Infinito. Haaaa!!! I thought, they do not know my "G" girl.

I said, not for 2000 pesos each...I would have a heart attack contemplating my buyers remorsed as we had sex, even if I had two dicks and could ride them simultaneously. They just laughed and kept up the strong pitch.

They finally lowered it to 1500 pesos for each girl, plus the bar fine for each, 700 pesos, and for two hours. Now, keep in mind, my "X" girl had just gone with me the night before for only 600 pesos, and reduced bar fine of 600 pesos, and for (6), count 'em seis horas. So, I don't know where she was coming from other than to demonstrate to her collegue that she only goes with me for inflated prices, and that she would never stoop so low...and/or, as Carlos expressed to me yesterday, she had seller's remorse and wanted to re-establish a higher rate for future salidas. I think a little bit of both seller's tactics and seller's remorse were going on the other night with respect to my "X" girl going along with the high priced quoting that the "A" girl was throwing out there.

The "X" girl probably had seller's remorse. But, I will play that one by applying salida and jarra buying tactics to make her realize that salidas are my ultimate motivation for patronizing her in the bar. She will get that little lesson soon enough, and I hope it will serve to make her realize that quoting me salida fees that are reasonable are to her ultimate advantage. Sometimes you have to lead them right down the primmed rosed path in order to get what you want, and sometimes there is some pain along the way.

Cindy #1 is ahead of the "X" girl and "A" girl with respect to these lessons, and my negotiations with her have yielded the right combination of in-club patronage and salida deals where time is generously provided for a nice tranquil GFE experience. Cindy #1 is probably my more reliable bar fine from Pasarelas because she is farther along in the strategy process, with my "X" girl being a close second. I really am not sure that the "A" girl has sufficient intelligence to figure out the game. She is pretty young, seemingly overly mercenary possibly, which can blind them to having good business sense with respect to repeat business on salida.

Anyway, eventually the girls talked rapidly between themselves, so rapidly that my picking up on their Spanish was almost impossible. But, they do not realize that I am picking up some of their words and understanding the basic idea of their conversation. Mostly, it was my "X" girl that got the "A" girl to lower the price to something more reasonable.

I guess she told the "A" girl that there was no way that I was going to pay inflated rates. She didn't tell her our history, but I'm sure she realized that with my having already gone with her other times for a lot less, I was not going to overpay. "X" girl realized that if they were going to make the threesome earning potential a reality, they would need to come down in price, and "X" could see that I was simply NOT going to fall for it.

Plus, I really didn't even want sex that night, remember. Even then, their offer became tempting. I mean, both of them are really, really, HOT. But, in reality, I have had numerous threesomes in Asia, Colombia, Indonesia, etc...and it aint all it's cut out to be. I have found that for my own personal preference, I only have one dick, one mouth, and one mind to focus my attention. My experience is that a threesome is never pulled off as you see it depicted in the pornos.

ALWAYS, one of the girls is lazy while the other one makes the effort, or they switch off between one another, and you never really experience the John Holmes kind of threesome you bargained for. Were I to have a preference, I would consider paying a high price for (1) hotty that would be formerly unobtainable at a lower price, and for more time, than a lower price for two hotties for lesser time.

The girls finally lowered their price to 1000 pesos each, plus the bar fine, 700 pesos each, but only for two hours. I decided that two hours was not enough of a concession, so I stood my ground. My "X" girl was trying to convince "A" to up it to three hours, but "A" girl was pretty tough about it, pretty mercenary. I finally just declined, mostly because I decided that I did not want to spend that kind of money, and that conserving the money would prove to be more enjoyable later in the week. Plus, I had already bought them two jarras a piece, and that was expensive enough.

Plus, I think my declining to go with them served me well. They just kept telling me that they needed to earn enough to justify leaving the club, etc...My "X" girl telling me that she had to feed her baby, pay the rent, etc...trying to get me to realize that she could not leave the club without making up the loss in income. Of course, I doubt many of the girls would earn more than 1000 pesos in the club over two hours, so whom is she trying to kid. But, she just kept telling me that she is sincere in her affections, but that she has to consider her earning potential if she leaves. I understand all that, and 1000 pesos is not out of line. But, I always try to get a little more time out of them. "X" girl was going to agree to three hours, but "A" girl stood fast at two hours only.

I just dismissed my "A" girl, nicely of course, after she had consumed her jarra, one that she had a head start on over my "X" girl. When the waiter came around to replenish my "A" girl's jarra, I just declined, sending her on her way. My "X" girl still had part of a pitcher to consume, and I sat quietly with my "X" girl until she had finished her jarra.

Now, before you criticize my expenditure on jarras, you must also understand that I spent the money as entertainment value only, not as a strategic effort to plan for the future with respect to salidas. I spent the money purely for entertainment's sake. The fact that we got into a negotiation about going on a threesome was purely coincidental. I was actually the furthest thing from my mind.

I had accomplished what I had set out to do that night, to have a blast that night with the two of them in the club, be entertained, and just kill some time frolicking with a couple of hot girls. Plus, as I indicated, having sex with them was really the least of my desires that night, needing instead to abstain for a night or so. It beats watching paint dry.

Precocious One

08-02-07, 00:48

Yes. "A" girl is a hottie. And when she gets drunk enough, she'll actually start signing in your ear. Not a bad voice either. Yes. You did the absolute right thing last night. 3400 pesos is too much, however, take out the bar fine and 2000 pesos seems like a bargain. With that in mind, and if you don't already have her number, I would be more than happy to give it to you.

Member #3453

08-02-07, 12:19

Today was spent with my "G" girl. She arrived at my hotel around 12 noon, stayed the day, and just left around 9:30pm. She had to work today, and was to due to go to work around 3pm, but I offered to pay her to stay all day and skip work, which she did. I gave her $200 to stay with me all day. I figure that at $200, she is doing well in lieu of working, and should have been fully motivated to skip work. I calculate that most girls, if they make quota by selling a minimum of 30 privados, plus their salary, will make about $150 a day by staying at work. The way I look at it, she cost me about $21 an hour. As I have illustrated before, this is an absolute bargain. She is the consumate sincere GFE, and I would not trade her for all the tea in China.

Today, I took my "G" girl to Prestige for the lunch buffet. It will be interesting to see the effect this display will have upon my bargaining power within Prestige. I have a particular girl in Prestige that has been jerking me around now for well over a year with respect to meeting me outside the club. I am really interested to see what effect bringing one of my other options, an option from another club, will have upon her availability.

I had to pay extra to bring my "G" girl in there. I didn't really even check to see the exact figures, but I believe Carlos told me that bringing a girl into Prestige from the outside would have them charging me double. I was charged 590 pesos, which included the cover for us both, each of us having two drinks, and I actually bought a drink from one of the girls that I know there, just to prove a point, that being that I was not trying to cut the Prestige girls out of their opportunity to make a buck by bringing sand to the beach. Plus, we also both ate all you can eat off the excellent Prestige lunch buffet.

My "G" girl had always heard that we frequented the buffet at Prestige, and she had never been there. So, I wanted to have her experience the buffet, get an eye full of the talent in the club, see the inside, and just make her realize where we all go as a group most of the days that many of us visit, WastedG , Carlos, Mr. L, Grady, myself, etc...

It was kind of interesting because some of the patrons were actually attempting to wave at my "G" girl as she was walking to and from the main entrance. She is a flaca morena, has a hot body, fake boobs and all, and I have a feeling she was making quite a stir at Prestige with a clientele that may be growing relatively tired of the same old, same old that are always found in attendence at the Prestige. WastedG will confirm that she has the hottest ass in all of Monterrey, and now with those fake boobs, I assume she will at least appeal to much of the male population, even if I would prefer to have her back the way she was. So, as she walked through Prestige, she was getting a lot of attention from some of the patrons.

I believe she was creating some jealousies too that I will have to deal with from the regular girls in the not too distant future. But, tough shit...I am interested in seeing how my truly Cabronish attitude, not giving a shit, will effect my bargaining power there with the regular girls, and certainly with respect to one in particular that's been giving me the run around with regard to salida action.

I asked my "G" girl what she thinks of the Prestige, and she said that she thinks the girls are different than her friends in El Infinito. She was very polite about it, but I think she thought the girls in Prestige were of a different variety than what she is used to in El Infinito, perhaps with certain strip club class envy oriented aires, but that is entirely a guess on my part. She was too polite to be critical if in fact she had any criticisms at all.

My "G" girl is a very polite individual, and she was quite careful choosing her words. But, I believe she felt that she was probably sensing a slight, but relatively tolerable, coldness in the air, but that's probably understandable since she was cutting in on potential earning power of the other girls.

But, truth be known, I never buy the girls drinks anyway, except for Joselyn, the one that jerks me around. So, I wasn't cutting into anyone's potential earnings by bringing my "G" girl there, with the exception of Joselyn. And, if Joselyn plays her cards right, I will make it up to her to the point of her being subsequently eventually compensated more than if I showed up without my "G" girl on my arm.

You see, the girls of the Prestige are somewhat arrogant, and frankly, while my purpose was mainly just an innocent one, to show my "G" girl where we go on weekday afternoons for lunch, it also probably simultaneously demonstated my Cabronish attitude where these otherwise sometimes arrogant and snobbish girls are concerned. I am really interested to see their reaction to me when I show up without my "G" girl in tow. I plan to visit there again, probably on Thursday afternoon.

My "G" girl is supposed to come back to possibly see me tomorrow. She is coming back tomorrow into the city early to take her mother to the doctor, and she told me she may have some time to see me before she has to pick her up and head back home. I expect that visit to be a freebie, if it happens at all. But then, as always, I WILL choose to "help" her then too by paying her to be here.

I took some really nice, HOT, nude photos of my "G" girl for me to salivate over when I am back in the US. Her boob job actually looks pretty hot. It does make her photos look pretty good, probably better than if she had her natural breasts. Were it not for the hard feeling of the new boobs, I would be perfectly satisfied with them. They actually do "look marvelous."

Needless to say, I am totally spent with respect to having sex. I had enough damned sex before my "G" girl arrived today. At this juncture, I am rubbed raw. I am going to take it easy...I mean totally easy...tonight. I am planning to go to Pasarelas again tonight to scope out the activity. I need to write a report on last night's Pasarelas adventure, and will try to do so tomorrow as a followup to what I find there tonight.

Precocious One....Thanks for the offer of the phone number, but I haven't yet entirely decided whether I would necessarily be satified bar fining her. She is an absolute fox, but I also sense a certain mercenary attitude that may have me ultimately unsatisfied with the GFE results were I to actually go through with bar fining her.

I will interview her more, try to get to know her so that she starts to develop a mutual desire to go. That takes time, but I've found that without it, the GFE results can sometimes be disappointing. I have been accused of having really unrealistic high standards, but my standards are really kind of more related to personality and attitude, along with the physical attibutes that will turn me on otherwise. But, without the attitude, they can be hot as can be, and be a relative a disappointment in the end.

Yes. "A" girl is a hottie. And when she gets drunk enough, she'll actually start signing in your ear. Not a bad voice either. Yes. You did the absolute right thing last night. 3400 pesos is too much, however, take out the bar fine and 2000 pesos seems like a bargain. With that in mind, and if you don't already have her number, I would be more than happy to give it to you.

El Cabron 007

08-02-07, 12:41

Now watch your G girl go back to Prestige, and next time you come to town, she will be working there. I have introduced 4 girls to Prestige and Obsession and 3 of them ended up working there. Even salvaged one from Obsession into Prestige. Lady J.

I am going to take it easy...I mean totally easy...tonight. I am planning to go to Pasarelas again tonight to scope out the activity.

What a bastard! Is that what you call taking it easy? It is time you admit that you are the true CABRON.

I am booked for Labor Day weekend. Tell Carlos to hide his girls.

Oh, and X girl is no longer working at the clubs. She's now a bookkeeper/secretary. I hope she does get out of the business. She is one of the fastest typists I have ever seen. I want to sneak her out and fill her up.

Wasted

Member #3453

08-02-07, 22:11

My "G" girl does not believe that the girls at Prestige are making what she makes at El Infinito. I have asked her a number of times if she has explored other clubs. She told me that she has, and that based on her research, she does the best at El Infinito. She is acutally a pretty smart girl. I think that if she stays at El Infinito, she does so because she really feels she is making the most money,that after having done the research to reach such a conclusion. Plus, for a girl from her ethnic background, I do not believe a club like Prestige, even though she was attracting attention there, would ultimately prove to be a good fit.

She is a girl on a mission, to buy a house, and I honestly believe that she will not be in the business if she can get the house. Of course, we all know the girls fall back into their own ways, with it happening many times more often than not. But, we also know girls that leave the business and never look back. I hope, honestly, that she is the later.

Now watch your G girl go back to Prestige, and next time you come to town, she will be working there. I have introduced 4 girls to Prestige and Obsession and 3 of them ended up working there. Even salvaged one from Obsession into Prestige. Lady J.

What a bastard! Is that what you call taking it easy? It is time you admit that you are the true CABRON.

I am booked for Labor Day weekend. Tell Carlos to hide his girls.

Oh, and X girl is no longer working at the clubs. She's now a bookkeeper/secretary. I hope she does get out of the business. She is one of the fastest typists I have ever seen. I want to sneak her out and fill her up.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

08-02-07, 22:38

My "G" girl does not believe that the girls at Prestige are making what she makes at El Infinito.

I don't think your G girl fits at the Prestige at all. They will eat her alive. She is too sweet. Can you imagine her arguing with Scarlet or Adrianna? SMACK.

Besides, she is one of the best at el infi. I trust her if she says she is making more there. She's hot.

Wasted

Member #3453

08-02-07, 23:12

Ok, update to my GFE...

My "G" girl was feeling awful because she was battling a cold. She is very, very, devoted, and stayed all day, obviously not feeling the best most of the time, but staying for me, hanging with me all day, and well into the evening. She would have stayed until 11pm, when she told me she had to return to tend to her mother, check on her, etc...

So, around 9:30pm, I just decided to send her home so she could get some rest. When we got back from Prestige, we slept together (literally and in every other sense of the word as well), but she was just in such discomfort that I felt sorry for her and told her to get some rest, so we literally slept for an hour or so before we went another round or two and I finally sent her home.

I recall that as she slept, I just was lying awake, and I thought she was asleep. Anyway, I was thinking about this boob job thing, and I was a little triste because, honestly, even though I know, certainly, her sorted background, I sense in her a purity of spirit that always appealed to me.

It is what appealed to me about her romantically, notwithstanding the hot body, and the unbelievably good sex that I get from her, which I believe is the result of a sincerity between us that transcends the obvious assumption that she is just a punta taking advantage of me. I have good sessions with many other girls in town, but I do not have the emotional connection that I have with my "G" girl. Well, maybe one or two of them are developing with some degree of sincerity with respect to friendship, but not with the intensity of emotional connection that I have with "G" girl.

Anyway, I must have had this look on my face as I gazed at the ceiling in the room, and she apparently woke up and noticed my expression. I did not think it was that obvious, but I remember her asking me all of a sudden why I was sad. I dismissed it as nothing, and tried to brush off the question. She persisted though, and I just finally had to tell her that I felt that, with her decision to get the boob job, I had lost her even further to the corruption of the club and her profession.

I know all of this sounds really dramatic, and very probably naive on my part. I realize of course, intellectually, that she was obviously previously corrupted, certainly. But, I had always sensed a purity of spirit in her that insulated her from the effects of her job. I had always felt that even though she was engaged in the corruption of the pro scene, she had somehow been able to preserve a quality that suggested a purity of spirit and sweetness that is so often lacking in the girls working the clubs.

She was so persistent in making me tell her the source of my melancholy, that I told her a few things against my better judgement. But, she was so persistent. I explained that, now, after her getting the boob job, austensibly for the purposes of marketing herself even more to the MFs in the club, I had lost a small piece of what I found so precious in her before. This is truly how I feel.

It's not that I am necessarily put off by the fake boobs, because they are actually quite pretty, and very professionally done. I took some great nude photos of her, and she looks great with them. But, I am more discouraged by the insinuation that the fake boobs project onto her visual appearance and persona, especially with respect to her chosen profession.

I did tell her that all those pros in the clubs look the same, act the same, all tatooed up, boob jobs every one, and that I was sad that she was being pulled even deeper into a world that I felt would serve only to change her for the worse over time, and that I worried that I had lost a part of what it was that appealed to me in her from the beginning.

I explained that I had always told her in the past never to change, not in spirit or personality, and certainly not in a physical sense, at least not until she was much older. I told her that what I loved about her was that I had always felt she had somehow risen above the decadence of her profession, and that when I have been with her, she has always made me feel that I was with a girl that was not from that scene.

I explained that now, the changes she decided on, make it more difficult for me to imagine I am with the same girl because I am constantly physically reminded of her motivations within the context of her choice of professions, regardless of whether I might sypathize with her need to buy a house, etc...the reason for her austensibly being the biz to begin with.

She explained that she theorized that she would be busier at work now, and that she would earn the money faster to get out, and that she wanted to get out faster because she wants to get a regular job, to get out so she is not working the bars...telling me that she wants to do so because I do not like the profession she's in.

It is sad...because I really believe that she has a quality of spirit that could survive such a job, provided she gets out soon enough. But, now, with her making the conscious decision to alter her body for the benefit of a bunch of MF's, and for the opportunity to make more money, and without regard for how I know such a thing will effect her personality eventually, just like a lamb to the slaughter or a dear in the headlights, she has plunged herself unknowingly deeper into the abis. it just kind of sickens me.

I already catch her constantly checking her appearance in the mirror. She was NOT so narcisistic before. I guess it's understandable because it's a big change, and I suppose a girl is going to want to know how she is looking with such a drastic change. But, I am concerned that this physical change will have a detrimental psychological change in her that will ultimately turn me off about her. I explained all of this to her in slow, but I believe, relatively good Spanish, and I believe I did so quite well. I did not accuse her of actually changing, but just explained that I worry that she will change, that is, that she will change beyond the otherwise unimportant boob job change, and change that I could live with and welcome, if she does not change psychologically or emotionally.

She soon told me how she understood how I felt, told me how much she loves me, promised not to change, promised to look for a new job, promised that she had stopped doing salidas because of us, yada, yada, yada.... But, don't misunderstand, she delivered her response with a lot of concern in her manner...she was not just pandering to my need to be reassured. At one point she asked me if I did not want to see her any more because the change made me feel this way. I told her I can't help but want to see her. I love her.

She told me that she will get a regular job, that she will not change in spirit, that she loves me, that she is faithful to me, notwithstanding what she must do in her job, obviously, yada, yada, yada...But, my melancholy is real, and my concerns that she will simply turn from the girl I adored into a more hard core punta is a very real concern. Whether I believe her or not with respect to her always being totally proper with respect to what she must do at her job goes without saying. But, in the past, I have explained to the board how I also know that the physical delivery of these kind of acts at the club by her, especially within the dirty and shitty confines of El Infinito, are akin to her like emptying a bed pan or giving someone an enema. Females do not enjoy sex in that context. If the truth be known, very few females enjoy sex unless they experience it in the hands of a professional, such as we all consumately are. So, for my part, while I prefer a chaste "girfriend," I also realize that she, emotionally, and even sexually, has no connection to what she has to do for a living. It's akin to cleaning the pipes, literally a dirty job.

She told me that because we are seeing each other with serious romantic feelings, she has stopped doing salidas. She, of course, must perform in the bar, but stopping the salidas is good news, provided one can rely on the word of a girl coming from that environment, which I doubt.

See, MJ, I am still having fun otherwise, yet tortured by the closeness I experience with this one girl. I get great GFE from my other choices in town, and without all the drama. But, with my "G" girl, it so far exceeds GFE that it can only be described as a legitimate novio/novia kind of thing, possibly for real beyond something only experienced in the moment, but quite possible something experience by us both in our respective absences from one another. You were right about my enjoying a legitimate girlfriend....But, that is the ultimate GFE, verdad?

Don't take all of my mystical psychobabel too seriously. I return to the US on Friday. I will probably seem a little nutty for a while, just like always, but I will eventually normalize to return to Monterrey with a new agenda, just as I did this time with my terrorizing the bars, and having unattached fun with my "other" options in town. And, depending on whether my "G" girl has changed in spirit, changed her mind about us, or whatever, I will see her again, and we will rekindle what seems to be an even more intensely stong legitimate relationship each time I see her again after being gone.

Bottom line...this changes nothing for me once I return to my legitimate life. I may love this girl with all sincerity in the moment while I am here in MTY, and even with strong emotional connection back home, but it means nothing with respect to my altering my life's circumstances in the real world. I am totally grounded in the reality of my life needing to go on uneffected back home.

You know, guys, I have known so many hundreds of GFEs in my day. I can only ask you to give me the benefit of the doubt when I say that the relationship with this girl is beyond anything I have experiences other than directly with good girls, and the accompanying intensity of a real romantic relationship. As I said before, if it is an act, she deserves an academy award, and I will buy the statue and make the presentation.

Next installment will be escapades of last night in Pasarelas with Precocious One in attendence. No drama, just decadent fun...Stay tuned...

Member #3453

08-03-07, 00:18

Interesting point about Adriana at the Prestige. Adriana has always been one of the disengenuous girls, part of the clic, Scarlet, Adriana, and formerly Fernanda, and there are probably others, although Fernanda, when she was there, actually turned over a new leaf with me, and is now a good buddy.

Anyway, with respect to my bringing them cookies over the last couple of years, Carlos once relayed to me their disengenousness, some of them commenting meanly behind my back, but stupidly directly to Carlos. Who ever said these girls were smart? Anyway, I have been witholding my cookies a little bit from them the last couple of trips, giving them only to Claudia, and possibly a few to Joselyn, my occassional, and otherwise frustratingly disengenuous, drink girl.

Adriana, of course, was not held in the highest esteme by me after having made such crass and unappreciative comments....very arrogant indeed, especially when my ony motivation was to bring the cookies in their to be nice and create a party atmosphere. Afterall, there is no desert on the buffet, so....

Well, last time I was in town, Adrianna asked for a cookie, and when I gave her one, I told her directly to her face, with a smile on mine, that she was a bad girl and that I know all about her. The look in her eyes suggested that she wondered just how much I actually knew, whether I was joking with her, and/or whether I was actually angry with her or not. She had a kind of knowing, but puzzled look, but she got her cookie anyway.

Then, this trip, when she approached me for a cookie, I had brought enough for Claudia only, and given our regular girls their supply at the table...and subsequently, by the time Adriana approached me for one, they were all gone. So, I just told her manana, and smiled, shruggled my shoulders, and kind of ignored her.

Then, yesterday, with my "G" girl sitting right next to me, Adriana approached me, kissed me on the cheek, and asked if I had cookies. I had not brought any with me on Wednesday because I was with "G" all morning looking for an apartment in El Centro. Anyway, I just told Adrianna that I didn't have any cookies that day, and I just said "manana," maybe. She smiled and repeated manana? "ok...manana?"...kissed me on the cheek and was gone.

Now, I think she approached me for a couple of reasons, first to scope out my "G" girl, and also because she actually has developed a strong attachement to cookies that she otherwise criticised me for bringing to the girls in the first place. SCREW HER!!!!

Well, I really don't mean it...I am not so much the jerk (Cabron) that I will hold it against her. I am curious to see just what kind of reaction I get today in Prestige. I will return with an ample supply of cookies, and a keen interest to discern the result of my having brought sand to the beach yesterday.

I really can't wait to assess the drama that might have developed as a result with my drink girl, Joselyn, to gage the reaction from Claudia, the manager, to see how I am treated by some of the girls that are my friends, and to learn just to what extent, if any, my activities yesterday might have changed a possibly previously held notion among those snobs that I am somehow NOT a player. My "G" girl looked hot as a branding iron yesterday.

That little body of hers just won't quite. I am really interersted to see the reaction from girls that I know formerly thought of me as some dumbshit that had no game. They learned yesterday that they are the ones that have NO game, that I will NOT spend a bunch of money on girls that do not deliver, and believe themselves to be a gift to the male ego. My "G" girl has them beat by a frickin' mile with respect to charm, and with most of them, certainly so with respect to physical HOT arsed prowess.

This will be fun today...and I promise to report the details if I find there are any as a result of my Cabronish strategy.

I don't think your G girl fits at the Prestige at all. They will eat her alive. She is too sweet. Can you imagine her arguing with Scarlet or Adrianna? SMACK.

Besides, she is one of the best at el infi. I trust her if she says she is making more there. She's hot.

Wasted

MonterreyDude

08-03-07, 00:49

USB has also withheld cookies from me.... we are no longer friends.

Interesting point about Adriana at the Prestige. Adriana has always been one of the disengenuous girls, part of the clic, Scarlet, Adriana, and formerly Fernanda, and there are probably others, although Fernanda, when she was there, actually turned over a new leaf with me, and is now a good buddy.

Anyway, with respect to my bringing them cookies over the last couple of years, Carlos once relayed to me their disengenousness, some of them commenting meanly behind my back, but stupidly directly to Carlos. Who ever said these girls were smart? Anyway, I have been witholding my cookies a little bit from them the last couple of trips, giving them only to Claudia, and possibly a few to Joselyn, my occassional, and otherwise frustratingly disengenuous, drink girl.

Adriana, of course, was not held in the highest esteme by me after having made such crass and unappreciative comments....very arrogant indeed, especially when my ony motivation was to bring the cookies in their to be nice and create a party atmosphere. Afterall, there is no desert on the buffet, so....

Well, last time I was in town, Adrianna asked for a cookie, and when I gave her one, I told her directly to her face, with a smile on mine, that she was a bad girl and that I know all about her. The look in her eyes suggested that she wondered just how much I actually knew, whether I was joking with her, and/or whether I was actually angry with her or not. She had a kind of knowing, but puzzled look, but she got her cookie anyway.

Then, this trip, when she approached me for a cookie, I had brought enough for Claudia only, and given our regular girls their supply at the table...and subsequently, by the time Adriana approached me for one, they were all gone. So, I just told her manana, and smiled, shruggled my shoulders, and kind of ignored her.

Then, yesterday, with my "G" girl sitting right next to me, Adriana approached me, kissed me on the cheek, and asked if I had cookies. I had not brought any with me on Wednesday because I was with "G" all morning looking for an apartment in El Centro. Anyway, I just told Adrianna that I didn't have any cookies that day, and I just said "manana," maybe. She smiled and repeated manana? "ok...manana?"...kissed me on the cheek and was gone.

Now, I think she approached me for a couple of reasons, first to scope out my "G" girl, and also because she actually has developed a strong attachement to cookies that she otherwise criticised me for bringing to the girls in the first place. SCREW HER!!!!

Well, I really don't mean it...I am not so much the jerk (Cabron) that I will hold it against her. I am curious to see just what kind of reaction I get today in Prestige. I will return with an ample supply of cookies, and a keen interest to discern the result of my having brought sand to the beach yesterday.

I really can't wait to assess the drama that might have developed as a result with my drink girl, Joselyn, to gage the reaction from Claudia, the manager, to see how I am treated by some of the girls that are my friends, and to learn just to what extent, if any, my activities yesterday might have changed a possibly previously held notion among those snobs that I am somehow NOT a player. My "G" girl looked hot as a branding iron yesterday.

That little body of hers just won't quite. I am really interersted to see the reaction from girls that I know formerly thought of me as some dumbshit that had no game. They learned yesterday that they are the ones that have NO game, that I will NOT spend a bunch of money on girls that do not deliver, and believe themselves to be a gift to the male ego. My "G" girl has them beat by a frickin' mile with respect to charm, and with most of them, certainly so with respect to physical HOT arsed prowess.

This will be fun today...and I promise to report the details if I find there are any as a result of my Cabronish strategy.

Member #3453

08-03-07, 00:58

That is because you wanted to charge me 2000 pesos to go on salida and you would only stay two hours :D

USB has also withheld cookies from me.... we are no longer friends.

El Cabron 007

08-03-07, 01:03

You got 1 of 2

You got that Adrianna is an Ice Queen. A pro. A stuck-up. and damm sexy. But what you missed is a fact that you, my friend, should also know. She's the one who could care less about any of us. She's beyond worrying about what we know or who said what. She deals with 1000's of men. Way more than any number of girls we deal with. Remember, we are the clients. How many can we buy from. But she is the provider. How many clients does she deal with. She can probably analyze you and me with her eyes closed before she will tell the toughest of us to 'go f^&k yourself'. Do you honestly think she cares a bit about what we think of her or if she upset us in any way?

And if you become the cabron you don't yet know that you are, you will use Adrianna like I do. I just use her. She comes in handy when I need her. Hot body and, if you know how to play, so easily manipulated. I have so much to teach you Bob :)

Wasted

Interesting point about Adriana at the Prestige. Adriana has always been one of the disengenuous girls, part of the clic, Scarlet, Adriana, and formerly Fernanda, and there are probably others, although Fernanda, when she was there, actually turned over a new leaf with me, and is now a good buddy.

El Cabron 007

08-03-07, 01:03

That is because you wanted to charge me 2000 pesos to go on salida and you would only stay two hours :D

Carlos, you *****!

Member #3453

08-03-07, 01:13

I agree with all you have said...except to also say that you have NOT seen the look of sincere disappointment in her eyes over NOT having a cookie in probably 8 weeks. Ask Carlos...it aint easy. It is akin to cold turkey with crack cocaine, verdad? :D Where you are mistaken is this...

First, I don't care what she thinks...I AM the only client she will get those cookies from. And, really, she is being rather obviously hooked by them, pandering to me with that hard body and willowy look of hers...B/S.

There may be thousands of "clients," but there IS only one USB...and, more importantly, if she wants a cookie, there is only one Chef USB, and she will have to get them from me, period, end of story.

By the way, I have some store bought (Oxxo) sandwich creams that I tried out at Pasarelas last night. I love those cookies...they are quite delicious, but there are several to choose from and you must buy the sandwich, vanilla cremes.

Anyway, initially I offered them to my "A" girl and she just turned her nose up, acting like I was crazy offering her one of them in place of the homemade cookies I routinely bring. But, I had run out of the homemade cookies by the time she arrived at my table. When I first sat down, all the girls in the place decending on me like a swarm of frickin' locusts, devouring everything in site. Cindy #1 was one of the worst...

Anyway, my "A" girl finally decided to take one because I refused to give her one of them after she scolded me so much for having offered her a store bought cookie.

Well, hummmm, hummmm, hummmm, she ended up loving IT!!! and wanted more, and more, and more. Anyway, it will serve me well if I run out of homemade cookies, or I forget to bring them to the clubs in the evening. The Oxxos are everywhere....piece of cake.

Oh, also the girls absolutely love Skittles....absolute love them. To my knowledge they are not directly available here in Mexico, at least the girls are totally unfamiliar with them. Watch out, they will devour them like....like....like....
Candy....yeah.

You got 1 of 2

You got that Adrianna is an Ice Queen. A pro. A stuck-up. and damm sexy. But what you missed is a fact that you, my friend, should also know. She's the one who could care less about any of us. She's beyond worrying about what we know or who said what. She deals with 1000's of men. Way more than any number of girls we deal with. Remember, we are the clients. How many can we buy from. But she is the provider. How many clients does she deal with. She can probably analyze you and me with her eyes closed before she will tell the toughest of us to 'go f^&k yourself'. Do you honestly think she cares a bit about what we think of her or if she upset us in any way?

And if you become the cabron you don't yet know that you are, you will use Adrianna like I do. I just use her. She comes in handy when I need her. Hot body and, if you know how to play, so easily manipulated. I have so much to teach you Bob :)

Wasted

MonterreyDude

08-03-07, 02:29

NO NO NO no no!
That does not aply to Adriana at all.
You are so wrong in reading Adriana... totally.
She is way above us... I don't even waste time thinking what she thinks or does at the Prestige.
You should not waste your time on her....
The reason she doesn't even aproach us is because we are not on her expected level of customers.... her cutomers pay jacuzzi suites (4500 pesos) or VIP where she gets 3000 pesos just for herself.
"sincere disappointment"???
No, contempt, as in "why the f***k didn't you bring ME cookies".

This other thing you say: "There may be thousands of "clients," but there IS only one USB"...
... is also wrong.
There are USB customer types by the bushel, thing is you don't see them cause you are busy doing your magnet stuff atracting a-waste-of-time girls.
Those customers, ranging up and down the age scale are the ones that invite them drinks and they just dump them when a high roller walks in.

Best recomendation... don't even think about her or try to decipher her club dynimics.
Don't even think you are now in a level where you can control her cause you are so worng, cause simply, you don't show her the money.
Scarlet, Adriana, Fernanda are the coldest bitches in the Prestige... and they see us as trash customers cause we meddle with the other girls which are trash for them....

I agree with all you have said...except to also say that you have NOT seen the look of sincere disappointment in her eyes over NOT having a cookie in probably 8 weeks. Ask Carlos...it aint easy. It is akin to cold turkey with crack cocaine, verdad? :D Where you are mistaken is this...

First, I don't care what she thinks...I AM the only client she will get those cookies from. And, really, she is being rather obviously hooked by them, pandering to me with that hard body and willowy look of hers...B/S.

There may be thousands of "clients," but there IS only one USB...and, more importantly, if she wants a cookie, there is only one Chef USB, and she will have to get them from me, period, end of story.

By the way, I have some store bought (Oxxo) sandwich creams that I tried out at Pasarelas last night. I love those cookies...they are quite delicious, but there are several to choose from and you must buy the sandwich, vanilla cremes.

Anyway, initially I offered them to my "A" girl and she just turned her nose up, acting like I was crazy offering her one of them in place of the homemade cookies I routinely bring. But, I had run out of the homemade cookies by the time she arrived at my table. When I first sat down, all the girls in the place decending on me like a swarm of frickin' locusts, devouring everything in site. Cindy #1 was one of the worst...

Anyway, my "A" girl finally decided to take one because I refused to give her one of them after she scolded me so much for having offered her a store bought cookie.

Well, hummmm, hummmm, hummmm, she ended up loving IT!!! and wanted more, and more, and more. Anyway, it will serve me well if I run out of homemade cookies, or I forget to bring them to the clubs in the evening. The Oxxos are everywhere....piece of cake.

Oh, also the girls absolutely love Skittles....absolute love them. To my knowledge they are not directly available here in Mexico, at least the girls are totally unfamiliar with them. Watch out, they will devour them like....like....like....
Candy....yeah.

Member #3453

08-03-07, 03:03

Just tell me you would rather go to Obsession and forget the Prestige...I am really easy :D

Besides, there is only one USB, and she WILL only get those cookies from me. There may be other USB types...NOT...but, they DO NOT have what she craves apart from money.

"No, contempt, as in "why the f***k didn't you bring ME cookies".

No, I am making her deal with rejection, and by the old goat...wonders never cease.

Woman doeseth noteth liveth by money aloneth...that is whereth your strategies are flawed, and the USB strategum taketh over.

I have spoken...

NO NO NO no no!
That does not aply to Adriana at all.
You are so wrong in reading Adriana... totally.
She is way above us... I don't even waste time thinking what she thinks or does at the Prestige.
You should not waste your time on her....
The reason she doesn't even aproach us is because we are not on her expected level of customers.... her cutomers pay jacuzzi suites (4500 pesos) or VIP where she gets 3000 pesos just for herself.
"sincere disappointment"???
No, contempt, as in "why the f***k didn't you bring ME cookies".

This other thing you say: "There may be thousands of "clients," but there IS only one USB"...
... is also wrong.
There are USB customer types by the bushel, thing is you don't see them cause you are busy doing your magnet stuff atracting a-waste-of-time girls.
Those customers, ranging up and down the age scale are the ones that invite them drinks and they just dump them when a high roller walks in.

Best recomendation... don't even think about her or try to decipher her club dynimics.
Don't even think you are now in a level where you can control her cause you are so worng, cause simply, you don't show her the money.
Scarlet, Adriana, Fernanda are the coldest bitches in the Prestige... and they see us as trash customers cause we meddle with the other girls which are trash for them....

Mill Just

08-03-07, 05:33

Uno, the fact that you're "G" girl got a boob job means that she will NOT be retiring any time soon...and she's not even CONSIDERING it. Working chicas do not make that kind of investment in order to leave the business sooner; they make it so that, in the long run when their bodies get thicker and wrinkles start to appear, they can still make money from their bigger boobs.

It could be that some nice attention from a generous gringo may have opened her eyes up to her ultimate earning potential. Sorry, brother, but the boob job is a sign that she will be a lifer.

Member #3453

08-03-07, 07:43

That's what has me triste....I do NOT expect her to leave the business, and in so many words, and nicely, I told her that she appears to me to be more of a bad girl, something that turns me off. Of course, her excuse is that she is doing it to make money faster in order to get out sooner. She has many serious plans, ones that involve me, and ones that I, as an old dude, see as immature and frivolous.

I wasn't born yesterday, and I am resolved to the fact that she will be staying in the biz. But, it isn't that I am naive about what she is, what she does or did (?), and what she intends, etc...It is more that by she making a blantant move with the boob job, is it merely a sign that she IS changing, and that her psychological condition will undoubtedly change her forever, either sooner or later, and perhaps not to any particular detriment right away, or perhaps not in immediately discernable ways, but certainly more likely for the worse, meaning a harder core girl in the long run. I told her as much, and I think it bothered her. She was not offended by what I said or how I said it, but that soft discussion that came afterward between us indicated to me that she was as sad about it as I was.

When I explained to her why I was triste over her, I said something too her like, all she needs now a few tatoos and she will fit right in down at the strip club with all the other girls. She thought initially that I was just telling her that a few tattoos would be cool. Then, after she made that mistake, thinking I was suggesting she get some tattoos, I just rolled my eyes. I am sure I had quite a disgusted look on my face.

She quickly realized that my sadness was legitimate, and because I love her as a very close friend, an intimate and totally believable GFE of undiscernibly sincere origins. As I said, I have been around and seen it all. So, I am absolutely sure that what I experience from her in the moment is nothing but totally and completely real, regardless of what she might choose to do as a puta tomorrow or next week.

It finally started to sink in. She began to tell me how she made such a decision to go into the biz to begin with, all her disappointments in relationships with men, except for me (?), and that she went down her present road to ruin thinking that she had nothing to lose, and no prospects for the future, never thinking she would ever find what she tells me she apparently feels for me.

Listen, none of this really matters, because tomorrow morning I return to my world, and the fantasyland that is MTY will be history until next trip. If I have any melancholy it is that I found a really good thing in "G" girl, a GFE that is so real I can not discern her attitudes from the real thing. But, in the long run, it really means nothing. Why should one lose too much sleep over not being able to change a leopard's spots, or reverse the ocean's tides, right?

But, the "good guy" in me makes me sad at the thought of her potential decline, and for the eventual loss of the illusion that's been so good now for ten months. Plus, to watch another that one has grown so attached to, one who still has such beauty in her soul, head down the road that you know leads to eventual ruin, it is very difficult. One can not be other than sad over such a realization. So, you see, I am not naive, I am totally completely aware of what it all means.

Where many will believe me to be naive is in my believing that there is something between us. Something special IS there, something way beyond the ordinary, but it does not have the power to sustain a reversal of such self destructive behavior in her. I don't live in Monterrey. If I did, was unattached, and could nurture her in the right direction, I would. Because, I would have nothing to lose. All I can do is warn her of the dangers of her eventual decline, express my sincere affections for her as a person, and get on the plane back to my world.

Frankly, this GFE has torn my heart apart. I have GFE with at least three other girls working the clubs right now, all great girls. But, I have no feelings for any of them, none other than detached friendship, none that even come close to my "G" girl. This is the dangerous part of GFE, and where, perhaps the MP guys have an advantage over me.

They don't have to return home after and entire week full of as much fun as I've had, with such things weighing so heavily in the backs of their minds resulting from one really special encounter that just seems to be reconfirming itself in me each time I visit. When I get on the plane, I will be abandoning my friend to her own devices, ones that she is both intellectually, emotionally, financially, educationally, and psychologically ill-equipped to overcome on her own, and ones that will probably destroy the beauty I found in her soul. This is the part of mongering that does make me sad, and to sometimes reconsider my own participation in it, not because my participation is contributing to their decline, but because of the pain I endure in knowing my GFE is most surely destined not to endure.

MonterreyDude

08-03-07, 11:33

Exactly my words MJ... I told USB exactly that at lunch time....

Uno, the fact that you're "G" girl got a boob job means that she will NOT be retiring any time soon...and she's not even CONSIDERING it. Working chicas do not make that kind of investment in order to leave the business sooner; they make it so that, in the long run when their bodies get thicker and wrinkles start to appear, they can still make money from their bigger boobs.

It could be that some nice attention from a generous gringo may have opened her eyes up to her ultimate earning potential. Sorry, brother, but the boob job is a sign that she will be a lifer.

Member #3453

08-03-07, 22:17

i go back home today with a slightly changed perspective than my former post might indicate with respect to my "g" girl. i am no longer feeling triste about her, and it seems that spending my last few hours here with her, with her demonstrating to me a seemingly legit kind of attitude, has me returning home without such feelings of turmoil over her like i have in past trips.

my "g" girl called me last night around 6pm, and told me that should couldn't make it to see me yesterday, but that she was at work, having to, of course, report for duty by the appointed time. she told me that she had hoped she could come into the city from garcia where she lives, about two hours by bus, just to at least spend a few hours with me before going into work, but that she had to tend to her mother's condition yesterday, and she had to pickup medications at a pharmacy for her prior to going to work.

she later told me that she had gotten little sleep the night before because her mother was up all night, and she told me that she wanted to come to see me, but the time was eaten up with all the responsibility of tending to her mother's condition and procurring her medication.

she asked me where i was, asked me how i had been, told me she was thinking of me all day, telling me numerous times that she really love me so much....saying all the right gfe kinds of stuff, stuff to make me actually feel that she had been missing me. aint that sweet.

i asked her if she wanted to leave work, and she said that she would like to, but that her mother would need tending to, and that she could not stay all night or anything, that she would have to leave around 11pm to get home to her mother. she had come into the city to buy medication for her mother just prior to going to work, which she later showed me in the pharmacy bag within her purse, telling me her mother had an accute condition and needed the medication as soon as she was done with work that night.

i went to el infinito by 7pm, paid the doube bar fine, which was 700 pesos, my girl got changed, and off we went. she later told me that she had told the manager that she was sick, and that had tried to get off work to see me without my having to pay the double bar fine, but that they were on to her ways by then because she had already called in sick the day before, to be with me.

her boss told her that they know i am in town, and that even though they also know she is sick with a bad cold, they also know she is merely calling in sick to be with me. she said they told her that she needed to report to work. she told me that she told them she didn't care...she told me that she makes them a lot of money, telling me later that night that she can work in any bar, and that if it means seeing me when i am here, she will work somewhere else if they don't like it.

at the end of the night, i gave her 1000 pesos, and she had stayed with me 4 hours, but had no discernable desire to leave. but, she is a very good daughter and mother to her son, and other legitimate duties called her away.

wastedg, when i asked her where she would work otherwise, she told me prestige...pasarelas, extasis....did i create a monster by introducing her to prestige? hahahah :d so, she is becoming quite the independent entrepreneur, thinking that life is apparently more than just going into work, or that el infinito is necessarily her only option in life. of course, the club scene is her only option with respect to making the amounts of money she is used to. but, if she is to be believed, and i believe her, she wants to be able to mix business with pleasure, work and also spend time with me.

i feel much better about this situation with her than i did yesterday. being with her last night, after hearing and sensing certain things from her, experiencing her passion with me, etc.., it demonstrates to me that while she is a puta, she has, according to her, put some of her puta ways on the back burner for my sake. i believe her. but, even if believing her is foolish, it doesn't effect my real life. it only serves to enhance and preserve my most valued gfe of all time. i would like for her to leave that profession for her own good, because i do care for her, of course, but if she doesn't it will not really effect me in my legitimate life at all.

secondarily, while she is a puta, i also think she is legitimately, emotionally and psychologically, "my" puta. it's not the ideal situation in the legitimate sense, like having a gf here in mexico that is a good girl, but it is still having gfe where the girl, by all indications, is actually in a state of mind that makes my "g" girl a "legitimate" puta girlfriend.

mj and carlos were correct in their assumptions about me...that is what i like, a legitimate gf. whether she is a puta or not really makes little difference if one knows that you have them emotionally and psychologically, and you know you can't really legitimize the relationship. the fact is, having them be a puta actually frees you from the burden of having to someday act on legitimizing the relationship because the girl in less likely to expect that you would legitimize her under the circumstances of her job. the sex she delivers in the clubs, if she is even providing full service in the bar anymore, is akin to cleaning one of those stalls in el infinito, a dirty job, and one that no female enjoys. i take profound comfort in that knowledge.

i like this situation a lot actually....it's not ideal, but her abilities make having a puta girlfriend pretty intense. i mean, she really knows how to please, and her motivations to do so show know discernable insincerity, and in fact, most of the time, make her seem like an animal in heat.

i have contemplated about myself philosophicially in the past that i am looking for a girl that is really "bad" sexually and passionately, and perhaps one that at least also has the sincerity in the moment at least to pull off the intensty of the gfe. in this case, i truly believe i have found a bad girl of hugely sweet proportions, one that not only has the intensity in the moment, but that she has an emotional connection to me that makes her my real puta novia. i kind of think that's cool.

plus, the intesity of her attentions make her delivery of the sex just that much more enjoyable. based on my experience with normal "good" girls, i have never experienced the intensity of sexual and emotional passion for any girl in the past like this, none that equals that of my "g" girl. so, i have to wonder if there is a definite hidden upside to having a puta for a real girlfriend. she really, really, runs so hot.

i am not really sure i would be willing to trade a legitimate non-puta for my illegitimate puta girlfriend, provided she limits her activities to just providing services in the club, and that she abstains from the salidas, which she tells me she has. i figure it is just simply too easy for the word to get out that she is engaging in salidas otherwise because all of the girls in the club would know it, and the word would eventually reach me for sure. the girls in those clubs are really catty, and the disclosure that she is disengenuous toward me would reach me quickly i believe, either through the girls, or through my network of amigos that will undoubtedly hear otherwise and inform me.

so, for her to claim to me that she has stopped that pratice, and not followed through, would simply indicate to me, eventually, her insincerity, which if in fact is the case, would also alert me to her being untruthful, and ultimately sabotage our "relationship." do i believe she was untruthful to me in the initial stages of our relationship? yes, and there are several instances that suggest it. but, i believe, over the last ten months, we have come to a point of sincerity where she has actually decided that we are good for each other, and that she values what we have together, she experiencing just as an intense a bfe as i am experiencing her gfe.

this is the best gfe i have ever experienced in over 5 years of almost continually mongering here, and in all corners of the globe, literally thousands of girls. so, after last night with her, i leave with a feeling of contentment over my entire arrangement with her. i am not really even considering her fake boobs any more, which i am getting more used to everytime she [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) me.

perhaps i will have many more intellectual and emotional issues to address with her in the future, but for now, this is the first trip where i am returning with a peace in my heart and mind over her...and, in addition, i am also comforted in the knowledge that the first part of the week i had so much fun in the clubs. my only concern is the amount of money i spent this trip. it is a huge amount, maybe $1500 just on entertainment.

i had told her that i need to rent an apartment in el centro for the future, which would cut my hotel expenses here tremendously. the cost to rent a hotel by the month in el centro, close to all the clubs, is around 2000 pesos. it cost me about 4000 pesos to stay in my hotel. do the math.

she told me last night that she has put out feelers, and has started to research for me about apartments in the area where i want to stay, and that she has already talked to a few girlsfriends to start the research to help me find a place. carlos is also working to help me out. the cost of travel is so high that reducing the cost would be extremely beneficial in allowing me to return to monterrey in the future, especially considering the extent of my recent expenditures, and the escalating cost of airfare.

wastedg, mr. l, grady...maybe we could pool our resources...:d rent a universal crash pad in el centro together. that would cut our costs to almost nothing, and we could each contribute by the week, or number of days. fact is, if i get the apartment, i might be willing to rent it out. if i did so, i would fix it up real nice for fun and frolic. locking safe in the bedroom (s), fridge, tv, high speed internet, all the amenities. carlos, i really need to get moving on this by the time i return in august/september, and anything you can find out would be really appreciated.

regarding her desire to leave her profession...i believe she is sincere in wanting to have a legitimate life. no doubt about it in my mind, regardless of her decision to get fake boobs. i am sure she got the fake boobs, telling me she spent 25000 pesos, in order to enhance her appeal in the bar. but, she also had a definite dis-satisfation with her boobs. there are thousands of woman who are not putas that get fake boobs for the very same reason.

i think her reasons for getting them are two fold. i believe that she is much happier with them, and not entirely because she believes they will increase her earning power. she told me that right now, her earnings seem to be up a little in the clubs, and i believe, of course, that a surge in popularity is going to mainly be the novelty of everyone wanting to see her upgrades.

that novelty will wear off in the future, probably much sooner than she realizes i believe. it's kind of like a new restaurant opening in your home town. they are wildly popular for a while, until everyone tries them out. then, you incrementally notice that most of them decrease in popularity, normalizing into a standard level of patronage that is equal to all the rest that are in the same category, provided quality and service are equal.

she already told me that she believes she is a little busier, and that she is getting a lot of attention over her new boobs. but, she also indicated that she has not really seen a huge increase in business. she told me that thursday night was slow in the bar, and when i arrived around 7pm, there were a lot of girls on stage, but a relatively small number of patrons compared to other times.

as mj pointed out, she is not really likely to leave a profession that compensates her so well, an uneducated girl, with no better prospects. it isn't like she is going to have an opportunity to leave the bar scene to design the space shuttle or anything. but, what comforts me with her is that i am leaving with a sense of calm that she has conveyed to me, a calm that she is, in her heart, in love with me. so, i'll be back, sooner than later, probably at the end of august, first week of september. :d isn't that better than being so tormented that i decide that by my returning i am torturing myself needlessly by mongering at all? i think so. life is good.

El Cabron 007

08-03-07, 22:34

WastedG, when I asked her where she would work othewise, she told me Prestige, Pasarelas, Extasis....Did I create a Monster

I Told You So ??
I Told You So ??
I Told You So ??

MonterreyDude

08-04-07, 02:05

I have always been honest with you guys and Iam not kidding.
The G Girl will not make it outside the Villagran St area clubs.

I Told You So ??
I Told You So ??
I Told You So ??

MonterreyDude

08-04-07, 02:06

By the way Wasted... talking about creating monsters, I saw the Dread Girl yesterday at the T place.
Sends her regards and is asking when are you coming back to Monterrey

I Told You So ??
I Told You So ??
I Told You So ??

El Cabron 007

08-04-07, 02:22

By the way Wasted... talking about creating monsters, I saw the Dread Girl yesterday at the T place.
Sends her regards and is asking when are you coming back to Monterrey

And she has the finest ass in MTY. Seriously.

Yeah, tell her I am always thinking of her and counting the days until I see her again ..... NOT.

I told you how she claimed she was off all the junk she was doing before trying to win me back, right? Well, then hear that during that drug raid I witnessed, she was busted and was fined 3 mil.

Can't a man find an honest hooker these days?

On G Girl: "The G Girl will not make it outside the Villagran St area clubs"
I agree... 100%

Wasted

Mill Just

08-04-07, 06:30

Can't a man find an honest hooker these days?

Wasted

LOL. Funniest line EVER!!!!!!

Mill Just

08-04-07, 06:31

Ahhh...To be young and in love.... :p

I go back home today with a slightly changed perspective than my former post might indicate with respect to my "G" girl. I am no longer feeling triste about her, and it seems that spending my last few hours here with her, with her demonstrating to me a seemingly legit kind of attitude, has me returning home without such feelings of turmoil over her like I have in past trips..... Life is good.

Member #3453

08-04-07, 12:16

Ahhh...To be young and in love.... :p

Give me two weeks...just two...and I will be starting to sound like am relatively back to normal, if that was even possbile to begin with :D

Young...HUhhhh ??? :D Young at heart...ok, si!

Member #3453

08-04-07, 12:19

I have always been honest with you guys and Iam not kidding.
The G Girl will not make it outside the Villagran St area clubs.

I agree...she would not make it at the high end clubs. Carlos, you better find me that apartment asap. If she keeps telling her boss off she might need a place to stay :D

Precocious One

08-04-07, 23:50

I agree...she would not make it at the high end clubs. Carlos, you better find me that apartment asap. If she keeps telling her boss off she might need a place to stay :DYou're going to be living with a hooker?

I think you need to sit back, have a couple beers and think about the complexity of that statement.

Member #3453

08-05-07, 12:05

You're going to be living with a hooker?

I think you need to sit back, have a couple beers and think about the complexity of that statement.

No....no, no, no....just said totally in jest. I do want to find an apartment to cut my expenses in MTY.

Besides, I have to buy her an engagement ring first...no living in sin. :D

Precocious One

08-06-07, 19:04

Yes. Pasarelas and Tangalay are pretty much the only two places I now frequent as my non-pro GF is keeping me more occupied. And yes, I occasionally get overcharged at both clubs even though I pay at Point of Sale. They seem to always get me for .50 an order and now I just don't tip them when that happens. I mean, I normally tip a dollar so I don't understand their logic as they are actually leaving money on the table.

I believe you may be wrong with you negative predisposition of a possible GFE experience with your "A" girl at Pasarelas. I was going to tell you about a previous experience I had with her the last time you and I were in the club, but as she was with us the entire time, I did not feel that it was proper etiquette to disclose our intimate encounter among others. That, and I was simply having too good of a time as I had not seen her in some three weeks or so.

Anyway, the last time I had a privada with "A" girl she spent about 15-20 minutes giving me the best HJ I have ever had. As she sat in her birthday suit on the sofa-bench with me standing above her, she stripped me naked leaving only my pants around my ankles. As she kissed my chest, caressed my love sack and jacked me off, you can simply imagine. Pure heaven. I consequently shot off six or seven gobs of goo on the wall behind her as well as on her hair, face, chest and stomach. And after I finished, she did the most erotic thing. While looking in my eyes, she mumbled something in Spanish to me that was unintelligble while simultaneously rubbing my man-juice on her perfect a-cup, bronzed titties. If I was ten years younger, I would've nutted up a second time right then, right there.

Like I told you at the club the other night. If you do not salida this absolute hottie so I can live vicariously through your experience, I am no longer going to read your stories. And if you can recall, she offered me $100 for five hours which would entail dinner, dancing, drinking and a massage with a possibililty of sex but no promises. I am sure that offer would be extended to you as well.

I would hope you salida her, before Wasted or Carlos beats you to it.

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El Cabron 007

08-06-07, 22:54

Line her up Mr. Q. If Bob is too chicken, I'm not. She sounds like a perfect take out to me.

Now on tot he other news:

I went to TJ Saturday night and met up with Mr. "L" and some of his buddies. Spent a little time at Adelita's then headed over to Chicago. Althoug I was not a fan of Chicago's, it was a welcome change with a nicer and cleaner setting. Had a blast there too.

One of Mr. "L"'s friends might join us at our next MTY trip. If you guys thought Mr. "L" gets all the girls, wait 'till he brings his friends. We might as well just stay in our rooms and let those young dude do away with the girls.

TJ is so different from MTY. Girls are all "wanna go upstairs?". No wanna talk, no wanna play. But rest assured, I tamed them and had them set with us just the way I like it.

Met a sweetheart from Monterrey. She was impressed when I named all the clubs in MTY. Shocked that I knew all of them. So retty and a perfect budy. Took her or a ride twice.

My preference is still MTY.

I would hope you salida her, before Wasted or Carlos beats you to it.

MonterreyDude

08-06-07, 23:05

"And if you can recall, she offered me $100 for five hours which would entail dinner, dancing, drinking and a massage with a possibililty of sex but no promises. I am sure that offer would be extended to you as well."

I wouldn't believe this for a second coming from a ho.
It cost them NOTHING to promise all these things, but for them to do them... that itself is whole different story.
THAT is really the scams you should avoid....

Yes. Pasarelas and Tangalay are pretty much the only two places I now frequent as my non-pro GF is keeping me more occupied. And yes, I occasionally get overcharged at both clubs even though I pay at Point of Sale. They seem to always get me for .50 an order and now I just don't tip them when that happens. I mean, I normally tip a dollar so I don't understand their logic as they are actually leaving money on the table.

I believe you may be wrong with you negative predisposition of a possible GFE experience with your "A" girl at Pasarelas. I was going to tell you about a previous experience I had with her the last time you and I were in the club, but as she was with us the entire time, I did not feel that it was proper etiquette to disclose our intimate encounter among others. That, and I was simply having too good of a time as I had not seen her in some three weeks or so.

Anyway, the last time I had a privada with "A" girl she spent about 15-20 minutes giving me the best HJ I have ever had. As she sat in her birthday suit on the sofa-bench with me standing above her, she stripped me naked leaving only my pants around my ankles. As she kissed my chest, caressed my love sack and jacked me off, you can simply imagine. Pure heaven. I consequently shot off six or seven gobs of goo on the wall behind her as well as on her hair, face, chest and stomach. And after I finished, she did the most erotic thing. While looking in my eyes, she mumbled something in Spanish to me that was unintelligble while simultaneously rubbing my man-juice on her perfect a-cup, bronzed titties. If I was ten years younger, I would've nutted up a second time right then, right there.

Like I told you at the club the other night. If you do not salida this absolute hottie so I can live vicariously through your experience, I am no longer going to read your stories. And if you can recall, she offered me $100 for five hours which would entail dinner, dancing, drinking and a massage with a possibililty of sex but no promises. I am sure that offer would be extended to you as well.

I would hope you salida her, before Wasted or Carlos beats you to it.

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MonterreyDude

08-06-07, 23:08

Well Wasted, difference IS that you are looking for fun with the girls and the vast majority of the American mongers going to TJ is that they want to have fun for themselves without caring for them.

As a matter of fact they love the "wanna go upstaris" thing plus they don't want to spend on the House.

Line her up Mr. Q. If Bob is too chicken, I'm not. She sounds like a perfect take out to me.

Now on tot he other news:

I went to TJ Saturday night and met up with Mr. "L" and some of his buddies. Spent a little time at Adelita's then headed over to Chicago. Althoug I was not a fan of Chicago's, it was a welcome change with a nicer and cleaner setting. Had a blast there too.

One of Mr. "L"'s friends might join us at our next MTY trip. If you guys thought Mr. "L" gets all the girls, wait 'till he brings his friends. We might as well just stay in our rooms and let those young dude do away with the girls.

TJ is so different from MTY. Girls are all "wanna go upstairs?". No wanna talk, no wanna play. But rest assured, I tamed them and had them set with us just the way I like it.

Met a sweetheart from Monterrey. She was impressed when I named all the clubs in MTY. Shocked that I knew all of them. So retty and a perfect budy. Took her or a ride twice.

My preference is still MTY.

Member #3453

08-07-07, 04:59

I believe you may be wrong with you negative predisposition of a possible GFE experience with your "A" girl at Pasarelas.

I did show up at Pasarelas Thursday night, the night after you and I sat together. I was there at the appointed time, but you were probably off screwing some girl at Tangalay no doubt. Even Carlos showed up later that night at Pasarelas.

I may give "A" girl a try on salida sometime, but I believe she has some maturing to do before I would be interested, and even then, that maturing process may harden her even further. I am skeptical that she would provide me the GFE that I enjoy, at least not at this juncture.

I have openly told her that I do not want to take her on salida, and that I doubt she would be that good. I did so in a playful manner, the old guy taunting the young vixen. But, in the end, after playing my pschological games with her, I am going to give her something to prove before she actually decides to take "me" on salida. How's that for "attitude" from the old goat??? :D

I think things will turn out better that way, if she has the psychological motivation to please me prior to going on salida. I anticipate the outcome to be potentially much better. Frankly, right now, where she is with regard to age and attitude, I doubt she has the ability to satisfy me.

I have no doubt that she would provide the sex, but good sex is very easily available in MTY without effort. It is something "more" from them that interests me. I want good sex, and legitimate affection and friendship, and an understanding and closeness that transcends P4P. That is very difficult to find, and time consuming to cultivate, not to mention that it is also an expensive process that I put them through to achieve such ends.

But, that having been said, my methodology is to worm my way into their psyche, to entice them with mind games, and to make them look at me as something different. Mine is a complicated game.

At my age, 27 years older than she...oh, did I say 27 years??? I meant 32 years...Anyway, with that kind of gap, I have to create an edge with the 20 year olds, one they aren't used to experiencing, especially if they don't yet know how much they like older men.

I have NO DOUBT that the age difference really isn't any handicap whatsoever. But, the girls have to decide that the age discrepency is of no consequence first. They have to decide in their minds that the social taboos are BS, drop their sociological guards, and open up to something that they have perceived as taboo and unnatural.

The "A" girl is 20 years old, and I have already laid the ground work, calling her a baby, and telling her she knows nothing, sexually, and in every other way. You should have seen her reaction??? It was hilarious...but, I can sense in her a potential for the future.

I was encouraged to hear her tell me as she sat with me Thursday night, after we both had established our own playful rivalry, that she thought I was "fun." What, me??? the old dude is "fun." I am already starting to work on her, working to make her see past the age thing, to see me for who I can be with her in the privacy of my hotel room.

All you young dudes take notice...you will need this same attitude when you are my age. When you arrive at my age, remember my words.

That is first step in a long process. Before I am done, she will be wanting to go with me, provided I am even interested. It will be not just on account of the money, which is certainly her only plausible publicly disclosable excuse right now, certainly the only one she would ever admit.

I don't expect others to really understand my preferences with respect to GFE, other than to acknowledge that what I look for ain't easily attainable, especially from 20 year old girls. Most of the time, girls that young disappoint me. She would have to be exceptional psychologically and intellectually to figure me out. I have no doubt about her physical abilities, but it's her mind that I suspect would disappoint me, her preconceived notions that I am just the same as all the other MFer's in the clubs.

She must first transcend all those stereotypical preconceived notions she undoubtedly has about what is my brand of a good session, or I suspect her performance will not impress me. That is not to say that she would not be literally great with most of the mongers out there. But, USB ain't most mongers. That is not a slam to anyone else, just an observation that my close friends will acknowledge is true with respect to my expectations, even when they wholeheartedly disagree with them.

And, as for threatening not to read my stories...Haaahhh!! Do you know there are those that have told me that they actually "hate" my stories so much that it gives them a coronary thrombosis, only to be sucked into reading them anyway??? :-) Nice try...

Member #3453

08-07-07, 14:20

Upon reflection after arriving back home, here is my take on the "G" girl fake boob scenario, after having time to normalize, and consider the issue without any outside influences. In one word...DISAPPOINTMENT.

Her new fake boobs are pretty, very well done, etc...and they are relatively reasonable in size for her body, maybe just a little too big, but ok. But, I am turned off by fake boobs. I don't necessarily mind the look, but I don't like that they are hard compared to natural boobs. And, more importantly, from my perspective, it just makes her look like that much more of a puta. I like a girl with a fresh, natural look. She made a BIG mistake with me. I realize it doesn't matter enough to her to NOT have gotten them for my benefit, and I realize she must take care of her business. But, this scenario has sabotaged things a little, at least from my perspective. She did not tell me she had gotten them, not once, not in the month during which time I had not seen her, and we had talked on the phone several times.

She has disappointed me a lot...

She knew I was irritated by it, even though she pointed out that she had talked to me about getting them, and that I had actually told her that if she must get them that she get the type that Roxanna had gotten. Actually, I like Roxanna's boobs better because they are slightly more atune to her body size. Roxannas are little smaller, making Roxanna look much more natural. I had explained to her before that I do not like them, but that if she feels she must get them, that she should be conservative. I know she avoided telling me, probably concerned about what I would think.

Personally, I think they are just slightly too big for her body, but you can't tell these damn girls anything. I do think she got them to enhance her business, but I think the real reason is probably more that she had an inferiority complex over having smaller breasts, especially strutting around the bar every night with all the silicone that is on display there. What a frickin' waste. If I wanted Dasha, I would have bar fined her, ok!!!

Anyway, now she is constantly looking at herself in the mirror, and I believe that her confidenced level has been significantly affected. Frankly, I see a confidence level that borders more on conceit than on the formerly sweet, humble, and gentle girl I knew. I realize I am assigning endearing attributes to a puta, but perception is everything when you are mongering, right???

I am sure she sees herself as being empowered by them. I just see a girl that was once so sweet possibly morphing into something I am not particularly attracted to. I will be watching all the signs very, very carefully. If there is any saving grace, she is still HOT after me, and demonstrates it with me when we are together. It all hinges on that. If that level of attention waivers even one bit, or I sense that she is turning into even more of a puta than she already is, I will dump her and throw her to the wolves.

I was with her this trip a couple of times, and she is still a great GFE girl, but the fake boobs thing makes her seem like that much more of a puta. I don't know...I mean, I know she is a puta, but I don't like my nose being rubbed in it. If I wanted a puta, I would select from all the other putas that are much better looking than my "G" girl. There are tons of them down at the club.

I prefer the freshness of a natural girl. She is worried about what it has done to "us" making a pretty strong effort with me the last night I was there, telling me that her breasts don't matter, that she hasn't changed. I warned her 10 months ago, never to change. Now, she has made an overt act to change, and I fear that it will effect things in the future. I hope I am wrong.

On my last night in town, I had not seen her that day. She ended up calling me from the club on my cell phone, telling me that she is really happy with me, and that she was thinking about me all day, asking me to come and see her at El Infinito, etc...I thought that she just needed me down there because business was slow. I figured she was just using me for more privados...who knows, maybe that was her initial motivation. Frankly, this scenario has me relatively disgusted when contemplating it from the sanctity and reason of my office her in the US.

But, I was surprised when I showed up, I asked her if she needed any privados. I fully expected her to use me again, to take her into the privados and rack up quite a few to make up for the slow night the girls were enduring. But, you know what she said??? "Just one, ok?" I was really surprised that she apparently really felt the need to be with me on salida. I think she sees the writing on the wall, and she realized it was her last ditch effort to turn this ship against the tide.

On my last night in town, I bar fined her from El Infinito and we spent a lot of time in the room...I was going to take us to dinner, but she just kept saying she wanted to be with me alone. She initiated all kinds of multiple session sex, a lot of affection, kissing, hugging, the "I love you USB this and that," and it was great, but she knows I am not thrilled with those fake damned boobs. It isn't that I am so shallow as to be that affected by the appearance of the fake boobs in and of themselves, but more a matter of how the fake boobs make her appear to me psychologically. I think she's trying to hang onto me. I have yet to decide.

LIke I said, I know she's a puta, and I know what she does in the club, and that she does salidas, etc...I know she is a puta, ok, but this just makes her seem like more of one to me, something I don't like. She had told me that she has stopped doing salidas because we have this legit thing going between us, and she claims to have also cut back on providing full service in the club. Not that any of that really matters. I am not naive, nor does her activities in her job effect my "real world" back her, it doesn't...but it just seems that she sabotaged whatever legit feelings I may have had for her by getting the damned fake boobs, and especially by not telling me.

I told her that it just makes her seem the same as all the other putas working at the club to me. I didn't put it that directly, not using the word "puta" of course, but I explained that now she really looks the same as all the rest, and that she has lost some of her appeal. At one point she asked if I no longer wanted to see her. I told her I wasn't ready to go that far, but in my mind, I am really, really disappointed. I love this girl's attentions, her seemingly legitimate feelings for me in the moment. It is as real as it can get. But, I am having trouble with the events of last week.

She told me she did it to make more money at her job, and that she wants to get out of the business sooner, and that she wants a regular job so she can see me without the job affecting us, and that I told her she could get them, etc.., bla, bla, bla. But, to me, while she seemed more of a sweet girl before, she seems that much more like a puta now. It has me really depressed frankly. We talked it out, and by the time I left town we were still together and seemingly the legit side of our relationship was mended, but I am having significant second thoughts once back home.

One thing I also noticed was that she seemed to gain a little weight in her lower body and torso, not much, maybe only about 5 pounds. But, on a girl as small as my "G" girl, that amount of weight gain is just slightly noticeable. Her body had more wicked curves, and seemed a little harder before she got the fake boobs. At first, I thought she looked bigger with the bigger boobs creating just an illusion of being bigger, then I decided that there was no change...But, now, in retrospect, I do think she put on a little weight, not bad necessarily, not at all, but a little more than I remember her having on her last time. She had not worked for about a month because she was recouperating from the fake boobs operation, and she was tending to her mother, who has some kind of serious illness. So, not having worked, not having been dancing much, she probably put on about 5-7 pounds...or, is it the harmonal imbalances caused by the damned fake boobs. I know, maybe she can get some tattoos, some ass implants, harmone replacement theropy, steroids, etc...This really pisses me off.

I wish I could find a natural girl that is as sincere in deed and affection as my "G" girl is. If I could, I would probalby drop her for another because I just don't like the puta look. I told her that all she needs now is a few tattoos and she will look just like all the bad girls working at the club. She thought I actually wanted her to get a few tattoos after I said that, smiling really big. She did not really understanding my point, that is until I had this disgusted look on my face, and just started shaking my head. She knows how I feel about it now because I think she's running scared, afraid that I will find another...and she is right.

You know, if she has legit feelings for me, and I believe she does, then that is wonderful. It makes my time with her better than any other girl in town. I love the scenario that creates. And, if she can continue to convince me of that sincerity, nothing will really change between us. I will still seek her out over all the others that are available. But, I am just waiting for the the other shoe to drop. IMHO, you can not have a change as radical as altering your body for the benefit of your job, and not have it ultimately effecting your personality and the way you relate to others. I hope I'm wrong.

It will be entirely up to her to maintain this "romance." Again, sometimes I think I am just better off staying in the isolation of the US, insulating myself, reducing my exposure to things that are, in the long run, just a little too aggravating for me the way I play the game. But, in considering the comments of my friend, Carlos, perhaps I should just take a step back and do some of my own behavior modification.

Carlos has counseled me...telling me that I give the girls too much credit for having any logical credibility, that I project onto them way too much credit for having any scrupples. That I try to see logic where there is none. He is right. I should simply see them more as girls to be used, and less as anything worth wasting a second thought on from a caring point of view. It always comes back to bite me in the ass.

I know what you all think...but tell me anyway.

El Cabron 007

08-07-07, 15:06

But, in considering the comments of my friend, Carlos, perhaps I should just take a step back and do some of my own behavior modification.
That's a YES

Carlos has counseled me...telling me that I give the girls too much credit for having any logical credibility, that I project onto them way too much credit for having any scrupples. That I try to see logic where there is none. He is right. I should simply see them more as girls to be used, and less as anything worth wasting a second thought on from a caring point of view. It always comes back to bite me in the ass.
That's a YES
How much does Carlos charge for counseling? I may need his help :-)

It will be entirely up to her to maintain this "romance."

Maintain this WHAT? That's a Check-Mate.

MonterreyDude

08-07-07, 17:47

My actual words for this:
"That I try to see logic where there is none. He is right. I should simply see them more as girls to be used, and less as anything worth wasting a second thought on from a caring point of view. It always comes back to bite me in the ass."....

.... were: USB, you should simply see them as girls to have fun with and care for them as friends, but always be on the lookout for the knife in the hand, cause you won't be able to see it when they stick it in your back.

It doesn't bite you in the ass, it sticks out in your back and it shows...

That's a YES

That's a YES
How much does Carlos charge for counseling? I may need his help :-)

Maintain this WHAT? That's a Check-Mate.

Member #3453

08-07-07, 20:31

It doesn't bite you in the ass, it sticks out in your back and it shows...

Intellectually, perhaps all the more reason to seriously consider retirement. The effects of my other GFEs last week, do not effect me where the other girls are concerned, not with Cindy #1, not with "X" girl, not with anonymous girl at Givenchy in the Privado room, etc...But, I seriously contemplate that retirement may remedy whatever disappointment I currently feel with respect to my "G" girl.

Who knows, maybe a permenant retirement, maybe I will come out of retirement after a few months, maybe a short vacation from it, maybe I will return in last August if I recover my inspiration, maybe I will visit other venues, who knows...

It's just that the disappointments, after all the work that's gone into building up this GFE with my "G" girl, have me wondering if the let down is worth the investment of time and money, not to mention the emotional backlash. Remember, I am not disappointed because she is somehow dumping me, because she is not dumping me, whether your sensibilities require you to want to categorize me as a client or a novio, whether she is sincere or insincere, it really doesn't matter because either way makes no difference..."SHE" is still on-board. No, my melancholy is more due to my perception that her persona has, or might, be changing.

There comes a point where, if I continue to play the game the way I like to play it, the cost is perhaps just a little too high in disappointment to be worth the investment. I have invested a lot to achieve what I consider to be SE ASIA quality sessions from my "G" girl. Those are simply almost non-existent in MTY.

I do not expect those that are inexperienced with regard to non-Mexican venues to know the difference. That isn't meant as criticism of Mexico, but it is simply my own experience and knowledge working against me in a venue that I dearly love, Monterrey. There are aspects of the MTY venue that are unsurpassed in all the world, but there are aspects of the Asian experience with respect to quality of experience that are more rarely experienced in MTY, not altogether unavailable, but most certainly difficult to achieve. I have found Asia quality of experience in my "G" girl.

Sometimes, it's just a little too much work to also have to endure the disappointments that come with the successes, and I realize of course, that these girls can only deliver on disappointment...so why try to rise above an endeavor that is destined for disappointment anyway.

Carlos is 100% correct about my giving them too much credit. But, if I begin to see them as they truly must be, then perhaps the realization of their true nature serves to castrate me anyway. I am damned if I do, and damned if I don't. I can still have fun in MTY, but the depth of experience that I routinely enjoyed with my "G" girl in the past may be sabotaged, and by her own unwitting hand...only time will tell. My disappointment is simply my realizing a potential loss in her ability to be what I want her to be. I am optomistic that things will continue between us, but I am realistic in knowing that it also may NOT.

Don't leap to any conclusions. I am not applying this to my everyday "REAL LIFE" existence. I am merely weighing what I get out of these "relationships," and whether it serves me well enough to even engage in them to begin with. And, I refer to this one in particular with "G" girl as a "relationship," because I really don't know any other way to classify it. It is more than P4P, and less than a "real" relationship.

That is why I refer to my encounter with "G" girl, WastedG, as a "relationship," because with her, I receive emotional nurturing in the moment, in addition to great sex. I really don't know how to term it any other way. I believe she gets emotional nurturing too. But, what I believe, other than to perpetuate the GFE, really isn't of any consequence to the overall reality that exists. She either gets it from me as well or not. Even if her's is a total act, I am not melancholy over the actual physical loss of her per se, but over the potential loss of her as I knew her.

If you analyse your own attachments to certain girls, WastedG, you will hopefully understand my own attachement to my "G" girl. I am sure the loss of your "X" girl, by her marrying and going legit, or if your "P" girl were to be absent from the scene, I assume you would also be relatively melancholy. If not, then I have misjudged you, your appreciation for certain girls as special, and your obvious preference above and beyond for certain others of them. I am open to other more accurate descriptions of what I feel when I am with my "G" girl, but I just can't really think of any other term to describe what I believe we have between us other than to call it a "relationship." I guess we are just engaged in splitting the hairs of symantics. :D

Since I have no interest in simply fucking these girls per se, without any kind of depth of emotion whatsoever, then maybe I should retire, or better yet, I should just go to Signore, Playboy I and II, Romanos, or Misses in the future. I'm glad I did the research, because perhaps I need to clinicalize my encounters. No, I am just joking, but...

If you guys all analyse your own distaste for the MPs you must most certainly also understand my point of view with respect to the level of disappointment that I am experiencing in this circumstance with my "G" girl.

No, there is something special in my "G" girl, and I fear that I might potentially lose my preferred quality of experience in the inherent changes that are likely to develop as a result of her continuing down the path she is on. I am simply wise enough to also recognize it, and foolish enough to care. Just as MJ said, she is not contemplating an early retirement. I am savy enough to recognize the changes that are most likely to develop the longer she stays in the biz, and since I do care for her, you could likely categorize me as also being "angry" at her were things to deteriorate between us. I am angry and melancholy over the amount of work I know will be required to replace her within the Monterrey venue.

Otherwise, if what I have articulated here were not true for each and every one of you, would we all not be perfectly content in patronizing an MP like Signore in lieu of the work that is otherwise required to achieve each of our respective satisfaction levels?

Precocious One

08-07-07, 20:37

UnospongeBob,

No. I was not at Tangelay. I was with my GF and could not break free. Since I don't have your contact numbers, there was no way for me to get a hold of you. Sorry.

Now that you have met one of the only two Monterrey bar girls I consistently patronize in Pasarales "A" girl, I believe that it is time I introduce you to my second girl Sharon at Tangelay next time you come into town. I think she may indeed be a potential replacement for your "G" girl. I may have told you this before, but this girl Sharon will shower before our privada and, subsequently, after our privada as well. When she comes back to the table, she will make me smell her forearms as well as her recently-inserted pussy fingers and request my approval. Now this may not seem like much on paper, however, in practice it is quite flattering. For her to go out of her way to present herself to her clients in the most cleanest and freshest way possible is very enlightening. As we all know, some of the girls that you go into the privadas with have total hygeine problems and not just in their lower extremeties. I am talking their whole body. The last girl I went into a privada with at Infinito, I literally had to hold my breath for the entire eight minutes. Anyway, if I had to make a choice between your Pasarelas "A" girl and Sharon, it would most definately be the latter. She is far more mature and seems more sincere in her affections. That, and she is a total hottie as well.

Mill Just

08-07-07, 21:32

Carlos is 100% right about his advice to you; You are ascribing "normal" logic, reasoning and caring onto a group of people who are, by either necessity or nature, unable to share your outlook. That eventually results, at best, in a big disappointment and, at worst, a knife in the back.

I really like all of my regular chicas. I respect them and care about them and, in turn, I think that they like me and care about me, at least moreso than many of their other "clients," but I hold no illusions of anything more. Such a thing would be mongering suicide and result in just so much lost money, time, affection, etc...because I would be asking something of someone who was incapable of giving it to me.

The club girls, and prostitutes in general, live dark lives full of pain and disgrace and humiliation. Don't buy the "Pearl amongst the swine" scenario and don't buy that they are somehow different than their prostitute counterparts in the states just because they are from Mexico and are required to smile and flirt with us more.

Next time, you get the urge for a romance with a working girl, take a look at that fat, black crack***** street walker on the side of the road; Delving into her world and romancing her is a close equivalent to what we can expect in the heart and soul of a Mexican working chica. Would you expect the crack***** to tell the truth about ANYTHING? Would you expect them to care about you enough to change their outlook on life? Absolutely not!

Again, have a blast and treat these ladies like ladies, but going further will just drag you down into a path that is not worth treading. You are expecting something from them that is not possible. You may get the service you desire over a short period of time, but you will always be ultimately dissapointed over the long haul because you seeking an impossibility.

There are no exceptions to this; take the advice of some of us brother mongers who KNOW what's what and have seen some good brothers go down in flames...

Intellectually, perhaps all the more reason to seriously consider retirement.

El Cabron 007

08-07-07, 22:07

Geee Bob, why do you complicate the hell out of screwing a hooker?

Yes, I totally understand the "relationship" part of it all. But I also understand the quality of service from a hooker will vary. This includes the "do me, pay me, next..." and the "I love you", "I only do this with you" and the ultimate "she loves me". Your G girl delivers great product. She is so damn good it. You appreciate it.

However ... BOB .. LISTEN .. what you do not appreciate is how good she REALLY is. Her ability to service you so damn well but then turn around and service the next guy JUST AS WELL.

You want to add salt to the wound? The minute you leave, she has already forgotten about you until ..... She will turn on all the right buttons again for you because she has your number ... your the Memorex guy "The usual Sir?"

Yes Bob, I love to be with all my girls. But you know damn well what I do when I do not find the one I am looking for .. you know I move to the next one. The service will vary but oh so good.

I love S's child play. If I leave for a minute, when I return, she sees me approach and she leans on Mr. L to make me jealous. I hide, she looks for me, she sees me again, she goes back to Mr. L. I love her games.

I love P's "Tengo sueño Wasted" She kills me with her "give me, give me" I am a sucker for her "please!" It's a good thing I know how to hold back. She only get what I give the others.

And I could go on and on.

Listen to Carlos and MJ. They make absolute sense. They know better. They've been there and had seen the ugly side. I have seen a little but enough to teach me a lesson.

I love Monterrey. I look for the moment I land at that airport. I get chills when I see PDA. I get a hard on when I enter El Infinito :-) Sorry guys.

And Bob, sorry if this was too direct or too harsh. G girl is a real pro. She's got you hooked and always coming back for more. She gives great service. Even Carlos said in one of his note "She is one of the best providers at el infi" if I quoted him correctly.

Don't complicate things. Read "How to screw a hooker 101". I think you're the author of this ... Or should we have G girl write the "How to hook a gringo 101"?

I wrote too much, my head hurts.

Wasted.

I miss my X girl.

That is why I refer to my encounter with "G" girl, WastedG, as a "relationship," because with her, I receive emotional nurturing in the moment, in addition to great sex. I really don't know how to term it any other way. I believe she gets emotional nurturing too. But, what I believe, other than to perpetuate the GFE, really isn't of any consequence to the overall reality that exists. She either gets it from me as well or not. Even if her's is a total act, I am not melancholy over the actual physical loss of her per se, but over the potential loss of her as I knew her.

If you analyse your own attachments to certain girls, you will hopefully understand my own attachement to my "G" girl. I am sure the loss of your "X" girl, by her marrying and going legit, or if your "P" girl were to be absent from the scene, I assume you would also be relatively melancholy. If not, then I have misjudged you, and your appreciation for certain girls as special, and your obvious preference above and beyond certain others of them. I am open to other more accurate descriptions of what I feel when I am with my "G" girl, but I just can't really think of any other term to describe what I believe we have between us.

Member #3453

08-07-07, 22:42

No argument from me...you guys are right. So, I guess Signore it is? :D

MonterreyDude

08-08-07, 03:43

Mill Just: I also totally agree with your: "I hold no illusions of anything more"...
Exactly... Illuisons... well chosen word to describe the relationship we hold with hookers.
A mirrage...

USB: I might not do MPs, but I do know that Signore has been the only MP here in Monterrey that has mantained a quality level and service level for over 10 years.

No argument from me...you guys are right. So, I guess Signore it is? :D

Member #3453

08-08-07, 13:57

I agree with the "illusion" thing...but, illusion, or legitimately felt GFE affection from the girl, either one, is the basis for GFE experiences. My point in bringing up the retirement issue is that if I am too vulnerable to disappointment as a result of finding my preferred provider, then perhaps I should retire from a hobby that seems to develop such disappointment in me on a regular basis.

Of course, there is always the option of my own behavior modification, which I have considered. But then, it would not be "GFE" the way I define it. It would be something else. It would simply be paying the bar fine and screwing their brains out...easy. WastedG has GFE to his liking, but I suspect we may define it differently.

If I were to change my perspective, I would be like...like...like...OMG, nooooooooo, WastedG :D. No, I like my brand of GFE illusion too much. I just don't want to settle for less. I am just kidding WastedG, just jabbing 'ya my friend. WastedG gets GFE in spades, but I want GFE/BFE, and there is a difference.

But, seriously, while I love my brand of GFE/BFE in the moment, I also know that with certain girls, I am going to have significant disappointments. I experience my brand of GFE in other venues, Asia, Colombia, etc...But, I also realize that there is a big difference in the way I patronize those venues versus MTY.

I do not return to those venues for followups like I do MTY. And, the followups is where the problem lies. In MTY, there is a very, very finite selection to choose from. Were I to visit Pattaya every month for a week, I would have so many other options from which to select, that the repeats with the same girls would be virtually unnecessary.

So, part of my problem is that by my knowing what is available to satisfy my preferences elsewhere, and by trying to achieve it in MTY, with the same relatively sparse selection of girls in comparison, it becomes almost an effort with diminished returns over the long term in MTY. I am beginning to concluded that you simply can not duplicate my brand of GFE experience in MTY, one that is achievable without any effort in some other venues, without the disappointment factored in.

With respect to Signore, I mean no disrespect of it as an MP. As MPs go, I thought it was actually quite decent. No, my reference to Signore was that if one is going to completely throw the GFE thing out the window, which includes that entire "illusion" thing which is an intregal part of my brand of GFE, then certainly one can not simultaneously criticize the MPs, right?

They are void of illusion, primarily clinical in their delivery of straight sex, etc...If I am overly vulnerable to the disappointing effects of GFE in MTY, and everything that my "G" girl tells me is a lie, she always being totally disengenuous about her feelings, she working me as a client instead of something more, then I should either retire from the hobby, or patronize a venue that has little or no potential for disappointment, at least less potential anyway.

With respect to the MP option, it is void of any illusions, other than the cold and mechanical disappointment that is, of course, also so often a part of the MP experience. And then, I theorize too that if one is only to experience cold and mechanical release, and it too is just as disappointing, then why bother coming to MTY to begin with?

Do you see the point of my logic?

Mill Just: I also totally agree with your: "I hold no illusions of anything more"...
Exactly... Illuisons... well chosen word to describe the relationship we hold with hookers.
A mirrage...

USB: I might not do MPs, but I do know that Signore has been the only MP here in Monterrey that has mantained a quality level and service level for over 10 years.

Member #3453

08-08-07, 14:09

very well...set it up :d

no problem with not showing up at pasarelas my friend...we will meet up on my next trip the end of august, the one that i am not making because i am disappointed, and retiring from the hobby.

but, a few questions about sharon first...

1. does she have any plans to get a boob job?
2. will she [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me like i am (whomever is hot these days)?
3. will she stay with me for hours and hours on end for little or no money?
4. will she take a bus two hours each way to see me when she has a terrible cold and sinus infection?
5. will she let me do anything i want to her, period, without reservation, and crave it, for at least 10 months?
6. will she make love to me like i am really her novio incarnate?
7. will she stay with me todo la noche numerous times for less than $10 an hour, and possibly free if i was brave enough to push the envelope?
8. will she fight with her boss over seeing me instead of working?
9. will she threaten to quite her job over me?
10. will she tell all the other girls in the bar that i am really her novio?
11. will she ask me to be faithful to her when i go out on the town with carlos and mis amigos?
12. does she have a really hard body, and the best ass in mty?
13. will she kiss me like she really loves me?
14. will she tell me she is in love with me?
15. will she, please, not change?

all these things are my gfe with "g" girl, and then some. if sharon can deliver or exceed these attributes, i am totally open to it.

i know it sounds like i am being sarcastic...and i don't mean to sound that way...just trying to illustrate that my criteria is very demanding indeed. i really would like to meet sharon. i will probably go looking for her next time i'm in mty.

unospongebob,

no. i was not at tangelay. i was with my gf and could not break free. since i don't have your contact numbers, there was no way for me to get a hold of you. sorry.

now that you have met one of the only two monterrey bar girls i consistently patronize in pasarales "a" girl, i believe that it is time i introduce you to my second girl sharon at tangelay next time you come into town. i think she may indeed be a potential replacement for your "g" girl. i may have told you this before, but this girl sharon will shower before our privada and, subsequently, after our privada as well. when she comes back to the table, she will make me smell her forearms as well as her recently-inserted pussy fingers and request my approval. now this may not seem like much on paper, however, in practice it is quite flattering. for her to go out of her way to present herself to her clients in the most cleanest and freshest way possible is very enlightening. as we all know, some of the girls that you go into the privadas with have total hygeine problems and not just in their lower extremeties. i am talking their whole body. the last girl i went into a privada with at infinito, i literally had to hold my breath for the entire eight minutes. anyway, if i had to make a choice between your pasarelas "a" girl and sharon, it would most definately be the latter. she is far more mature and seems more sincere in her affections. that, and she is a total hottie as well.

El Cabron 007

08-08-07, 19:33

and find out if she has a sister?

what's her sign?

does she go there often?

wasted

very well...set it up :d

but, a few questions about sharon first...

1. does she have any plans to get a boob job?
2. will she [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me like i am (whomever is hot these days)?
3. will she stay with me for hours and hours on end for little or no money?
4. will she take a bus two hours each way to see me when she has a terrible cold and sinus infection?
5. will
6. will she
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8. will she
9. will she
10. will she
11. will she
12. does she
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El Cabron 007

08-08-07, 19:39

Bob, everyone has been telling you: You WANT to be like me. You'd be a lot happier. Maybe sore, but happier.

Wasted

If I were to change my perspective, I would be like...like...like...OMG, nooooooooo, WastedG :D. No, I like my brand of GFE illusion too much. I just don't want to settle for less. I am just kidding WastedG, just jabbing 'ya my friend. WastedG gets GFE in spades, but I want GFE/BFE, and there is a difference.

Mill Just

08-08-07, 20:37

but, a few questions about sharon first...

1. does she have any plans to get a boob job?
2. will she [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me like i am (whomever is hot these days)?
3. will she stay with me for hours and hours on end for little or no money?
4. will she take a bus two hours each way to see me when she has a terrible cold and sinus infection?
5. will she let me do anything i want to her, period, without reservation, and crave it, for at least 10 months?
6. will she make love to me like i am really her novio incarnate?
7. will she stay with me todo la noche numerous times for less than $10 an hour, and possibly free if i was brave enough to push the envelope?
8. will she fight with her boss over seeing me instead of working?
9. will she threaten to quite her job over me?
10. will she tell all the other girls in the bar that i am really her novio?
11. will she ask me to be faithful to her when i go out on the town with carlos and mis amigos?
12. does she have a really hard body, and the best ass in mty?
13. will she kiss me like she really loves me?
14. will she tell me she is in love with me?
15. will she, please, not change?

16. will she get in my mind so bad that i actually think that the above 15 are real and not just part of her sales service?

just kidding, uno, but you are sounding like a broken record and i know that you're just suffering from withdrawal- so i won't be too harsh.

however, i've said it before and i'll say it again- what you want is a real girlfriend and not a gfe. take the intiative in finding a real mexican girlfriend- lord knows you spend enough time in monterrey to romance one. they really aren't too hard to find...and they're a whole lot cheaper than seducing a hooker.

or...better yet...make your g girl an honest woman and take her out of that club and that line of work that she hates so much. after all, she's going to retire soon anyway, verdad? in the long run, you'll save a lot more money by supporting her instead of looking for new girls that invariably disappoint you. all it'll take is a couple of hundred a month and you'll get your g girl all to yourself- your own personal love slave who loves you.

this would be a legit option for your situation, but i honestly think that you are afraid of what you may find out about her if you pushed things up a notch.

phasmatis perfectus totus

Member #3453

08-08-07, 20:59

I was already sore for three days before I ever saw my "G" girl :D

Remember my escapades the first part of the week. I was exhausted. I did conduct myself just as you do during the first couple of days I was in MTY. It was fun, GFE, perfect in every way...You should have seen the dirty looks I received from my harem at Pasarelas. It was classic WastedG strategy to the MAX.

But, what I routinely get from my "G" girl is even more intense, even more so than what I got the first part of the week, which was perfect GFE in every way. So, I should not complain. I am relatively happy actually. I just don't want my "G" girl to change...that's all.

My disappointment has nothing to do with not being content with my GFEs, or with the service provided by my "G" girl...I am totally satiated with last week's GFEs in Monterrey. My disappointment has to do with "possibly" losing my best GFE to change....just like your losing access to your "X" girl, WastedG...nothing more.

However, if we are comparing losses, actually losing a girl as dear to you as your "X" girl is probably more traumatic than my merely contemplating the loss through possible, but not certain, change of my "G" girl due to fake boobs. I am merely a worry wart.

The difference is, your "X" girl is totally unavailable to you right now, and my "G" girl is still "mine" for the asking. There is a huge difference. Your loss trumps mine...I therefore conceed that you are a more pitifull soul than I. :D

My "G" girl tells me that she is hearing that am seeing some other girl at Tangalay, apparently worrying that I was not faithful to her...Somebody has been trying to plant the seeds of doubt in the mind of my little flower. Fortunately, I told her that I am NOT seeing anyone at Tangalay, and it was no lie...well, except for that one privado full service encounter, but that does not count. That was not a salida. Fortunately, my "G" girl does not know of my activities at Pasarelas even though she suspects it I'm sure.

We all know I love her dearly, and I DO. We all know I am totally faithful to her...except for, her, and her, and her, and...oh yeah, her...but, I am othewise in love with her.

Her point to me when I am jealous has always been that she is faithful to me in her heart, even when she is having to perform her job in the club. Well, that is my same position. I am faithful to her emotionally and in my heart...really I am. I would rather be with her than any other girl in Monterrey, and for hours on end. So, what makes her behavior any worse than mine, or her activities any different than mine.

I have solid feelings for her, and a solid preference to be with her. IMHO, her excuse is better than mine. She has her job to do, one that she admits to me openly, probably mostly because it is so frickin' obvious, but at least she admits it honestly. But, if you compare my activities to hers, are we so different? She's working, and I'm just fucking around. Her's is business, and mine is pure pleasure. IMHO, that's a huge difference between the validity of her behavior compared with my own.

Everybody says she is merely working me over...I fail to see where anyone can draw that conclusion. I am having the best GFEs from her that I have ever experienced in my life, for peanuts, and still, I am fucking around the entire first part of last week during times she was unavailable.

I am fucking so much I literally AM sore. But, just because I prefer her to others, and prefer to patronize her in lieu of others if the opportunity arises, I am somehow being played for a fool. I am no fool...I am getting GFE to the max from her, and from many others when she is unavailable.

She is delivering in every respect. I am getting every penny's worth of whatever paltry sum I spend on her. She has not changed, emotionally, at least not yet...and my only concern is that she NOT change. But, I am disappointed because I liked her little boobs, and would prefer them to the fake ones she now has. That's it. :D :D :D

Bob, everyone has been telling you: You WANT to be like me. You'd be a lot happier. Maybe sore, but happier.

Wasted

Member #3453

08-08-07, 21:02

Yes, I contemplated all that...

Boy, you have me pegged....and, you are right, you are pretty cool MJ...you understand the withdrawal thing. :D

But then, if I did find a "real" GF, I wouldn't be able to fuck around...well, not so much.

UHhhhhhhhooooo...I have a headache.

As for pushing it up a notch...even if I were able to, which I am not, I would not consider it. I might be crazy, but I am not stupid :D

16. Will she get in my mind so bad that I actually think that the above 15 are real and not just part of her sales service?

Just Kidding, Uno, but you are sounding like a broken record and I know that you're just suffering from withdrawal- so I won't be too harsh.

However, I've said it before and I'll say it again- what you want is a real girlfriend and not a GFE. Take the intiative in finding a real Mexican girlfriend- lord knows you spend enough time in Monterrey to romance one. They really aren't too hard to find...and they're a whole lot cheaper than seducing a hooker.

Or...better yet...make your G girl an honest woman and take her out of that club and that line of work that she hates so much. After all, she's going to retire soon anyway, verdad? In the long run, you'll save a lot more money by supporting her instead of looking for new girls that invariably disappoint you. All it'll take is a couple of hundred a month and you'll get your G girl all to yourself- your own personal love slave who loves you.

This would be a legit option for your situation, but I honestly think that you are afraid of what you may find out about her if you pushed things up a notch.

Phasmatis perfectus totus

El Cabron 007

08-08-07, 22:20

The difference is, your "X" girl is totally unavailable to you right now, and my "G" girl is still "mine" for the asking. There is a huge difference. Your loss trumps mine...I therefore conceed that you are a more pitifull soul than I.

I can't live, if living is without you. I can't live ... I can't live anymoohoooree.

No Bob, my loss is nothing more than going to an ice cream shop and finding that my favorite flavor is not available. I salivate over it, but I still love other flavors. I'll wait until it becomes available. Meanwhile, I’ll have a double scoop.

Her point to me when I am jealous has always been that she is faithful to me in her heart, even when she is having to perform her job in the club.

Yess, finally, a faithful hooker ...

Sorry Bob. You, I and everyone else know this is bull.

Like Oscar Wilde said: "I am not young enough to know everything."

____________________________________________
For each moment of tears
I still had my souvenirs
Cherished in a pocket full of dreams
I could hold I could feel
Kept pretending they were real
Long time after lovers stayed away.
Now a picture of you
I had cherished so true
Even kissed 'till I'd seen you again
But when

I've been crying today
Threw my memories away
Something died as I cried
For my broken souvenirs.
Can I reach for the sun
Find a place I belong
Now you're one of my broken souvenirs.

If you'll need me again
There's no way you really can
Pasted pieces never make a whole

And if you leave your room
On some windy afternoon
Try to see where all the pieces flew.
It was hard to get on
Since my memories were gone
But if you'll ever see me again
I can

I've been crying today
Threw my memories away
Something died as I cried
For my broken souvenirs.
Can I reach for the sun
Find a place I belong
Now you're one of my broken souvenirs.
________________________________________
Disclaimer: Above song by Pussycat “My Broken Souvenirs” -

the nice 70's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZg3qARW60M

When the 90's came, they made the 80's look like the 70's

I miss my X girl

Wasted

Precocious One

08-08-07, 22:49

Member #3453

08-08-07, 23:32

Sorry Bob. You, I and everyone else know this is bull.

I miss my X girl. Wasted

Bull??? But, why??? why so impossible? According to my "G" girl, your "P" girl is in love with you. Why not??? We aren't going to change our personal lives by believing it, and who knows...maybe it's true. What else have these kinds of girls to look forward to. We treat them like real girlfriends. What's not to like?

The bottom line is, I am not available to a "good girl," as MJ suggests. I would not want to sweep a good girl off her feet. It just wouldn't be fair, decent, or the right thing to do.

And, don't for a minute believe that a couple of Gringos such as we are not capable of it. It is their frickin' wet dream to live in the US, in my casa grande, drive my five BMWs (not), have their own ranchero, never have to work a day in their lives, and they also get to fuck HOT, HOT, dudes like us, consumate lovers that can make them cum by just looking at them...

Plus, they also know that we older dudes will probably thankfully DIE when they are only about maybe 32-35 years old. Hallelujah...they will have their whole lives ahead of them to spend our 401K's and retirement investment portfolios.

No, I'll stick to my "G" girl, my fantasy, my illusion...I accept her claims to me as true, especially in the moment...I believe her 100%.. Also, realizing that my only opportunity at GFE is with girls like her, and because she makes me believe it in the moment, she is truly unique among her competitors. If the others were as good, I would have more than one, maybe two, three, four...but they aren't. I have tried them all....uhhh except yours.

I feel that with a sincere puta, I don't have to take it up a notch. But, were I in a legit situation with a good girl, the complications would be astonomical. I simply couldn't live with myself. But, with a girl like my "G" girl, I know her sincerity is real in the moment, and that she has made her choices in life. Que Sera Sera....

And, you keep bringin us back to your final comments, WastedG...

"I miss my "X" girl."

Poor baby...I know, I know....there, there, there...eveything will be ok, brother. Maybe she will break down, because, honestly, I think she is love with you too, and CAN NOT stay away. Comon,' why fight it...you know it's true.

El Cabron 007

08-08-07, 23:53

I hate you Bob. :-)

The signs were clear that P liked me. But she never came straight out to tell me that. This is the first I hear of it coming from anyone. I mean, I know she asks Carlos about me and she bugs Mr. L trying to explain to him that she says hello. She is always ready to drop whatever she is doing, even her kid, to come over my hotel and hang out, many times without make up blaming me for rushing her because she knows I hate waiting. But I never knew that she made that clear to anyone. She loves me? Better yet, In love with me?

I'll finish this later ... but for now ... I miss my X girl.

More to come. gots to go.

Wasted

Bull??? But, why??? why so impossible? According to my "G" girl, your "P" girl is in love with you. Why not???
And, I keep coming back to your final comments, "I miss my "X" girl."

Poor baby...I know, I know....there, there, there...eveything will be ok...brother. Maybe she will break down, because, honestly, I think she is love with you too, and CAN NOT stay away.

Member #3453

08-09-07, 01:24

I love you tooooooo buddy... :D

Yeah, your "P" girl is one of my "G" girls relatively closest friends in the bar. I don't think it started out that way, but right now my "G" girl tells me that "P" girl is one of her buddies.

She has told my "G" girl that she loves you, and that she actually longs for a real BF situation similar to what I have with my "G" Girl, only with you.

I'll tell you one thing that amused me this last trip. I was trying to get your "P" girl's attention during presentation on my last night in town. I called her toward me as I stood on the sidelines at the second stage. I am sure she thought I wanted to take her into the privados and do a bunch of immoral acts with her. :D

My "G" girl was upstairs getting changed so we could go on salida, and nowhere around. When I motioned your "P" girl off the stage, she just had this kind of sick look on her face, kind of like, oh shit...now what do I do? She knows that I am the absolute property of "G" girl, her friend.

So, imagine her relief when I told her that you asked me to tell her "Hola," that I had her gallatas from you, that I had forgotten them in my hotel room, and that I was giving them to my "G" girl to give to her later from you. She smiled really big, and thanked me, leaned over and kissed me on the cheek.

I know the "P" girl wants something deeper with you, and it was evident that she was happy you had thought of her.

Look, I know all the stuff I talk about seems naive. But, I am here to tell you, after fucking almost all the girls in MTY over five years, that if you give the right girls a little encouragement, that you have some feelings for them, it pays off big time in HOT SEX, and great GFE dividends. If you identify the right ones, and you can determine that their attentions are legit through their own interest level, then they are ripe for an exceptional GFE...an why not. They are outcasts in their society. They need a little lovin' too, verdad?

Do you know that my "G" girl told me that she loved me for a year and half, but that I would never pay attention to her in the bar. She told me shaking her head that she just could not get my attention after I bar fined her for the first time back in 2005. She told me that this went on for months. I remember when I first took her into the privados before starting to see her most recently, that she absolutely ravashed me with kisses, just trying to send the message.

Now, do I think that their definition of being "in love" is the same as how we perceive it, probably not. But, I can uncategorically tell you that, in the moment, "G" girl is everybit as good a lover as any I have ever been with, including any romantic good girls that may have actually been in love with me in the past. That is ALL THAT MATTERS to me. It simply does not get any better than what I have with my "G" girl in the moment. I am totally convinced it is because there is "more" to it.

That isn't to say that I am disengenous to my "G" girl just in order to get what I want, because I am not. I do develop a legitimate love for my best ones, the ones that recipricate in perpetuating the effect of the GFE, and seemingly have their own little BFE going as well. The secret to it is maintaining the illusion with a sincere feeling in the moment. It is simply a chemistry that exists that allows the full development of the GFE.

You mean you guys don't understand chemistry and carino? Comon' ???

I am not so naive as to believe any of it has any meaning, but I know the difference between girls that deliver based on some legitiimate feeling, versus supplying sex without any feeling whatsover, or delivery based solely on some kind of contrived act. I have been on the receiving end of the contrived acts, acts that are typical of the MTY scene more often than not. I am here to tell you that my "G" girl is NO ACT in the moment, which is the important thing.

She tells me that it is widely known in the bar that my "G" girl and I have "something" real going on.

She tells me that when the girls see me in the bar, they tell her how I am faithful to her, which I am, at least for all intents and purposes, within her bar anyway....But, I also think there may be some value in introducing doubt in her mind that I might stray. So, I take other girls into the privados and do nothing with them but talk. That is how she knows I am faithful to her in her bar. The other girls tell her everything. She may have suspicions about me in Tangalay and Pasarelas, but she has no direct evidence that I am fucking any other girls from her bar, and she never will.

She tells me that the other girls are jealous of our situation, and that they crave the same, with whomever they are attracted to, etc... (ie: WastedG and "P" girl).

She told me specifically that your "P" girl is in love with you, and that she would like to have the same thing going with you that "G" and I have going between us. My "G" girl tells me this all the time. And, I know you guys all think I am full of shit, but I AM close to my "G" girl, and I believe her, to a certain extent, at least with respect to what she tells me concerning how her friends think.

It was funny, when my "G" girl and I were in the privados this last time, she told me that several of the girls came up to her and told her she should have a baby with me....Cool (NOT). I take all this with a certain grain of salt, and it is merely interesting that the other girls are telling my "G" girl this kind of stuff. But, it goes beyond just the friends of my "G" girl that are in the bar. It goes all the way to the manager, telling me that she can't get off work to come see me by her calling in sick.

She made a whole hell of a lot of money on that deal, yeah, 9.5 hours and $200US, and it was $200US only because I gave her that much, and not because she required it. She would have spent the time for a lot less were I being disengenuouos.

Now, would I sign over my porfolio to her, NOOOOOOOOO!!!! Would I buy her a condo in the swanky part of Monterrey next to Carlos, NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! (I mean, yes...that might be fun actually, right CP?)

Would I have a baby with her....maybe. :D (Just kidding).

None of this means anything except that it adds to the drama and titilation of what is MTY. I love MTY. :D Get with the program.

I hate you Bob. :-)

I'll finish this later ...Wasted

MonterreyDude

08-09-07, 02:54

Both you Wasted and USB are jumping to conlusions parting from heresay.

USB told you from an indirect source (G-Girl) that she told him that P is in love with you Wasted.
You know how many times per week I hear things like that or other wise on other subjects???????
TONS of times...
Know how many times I pay attention to what am told by a bar girl?
NONE!!!!

I love you tooooooo buddy... :D

Yeah, your "P" girl is one of my "G" girls relatively closest friends in the bar. I don't think it started out that way, but right now my "G" girl tells me that "P" girl is one of her buddies.

She has told my "G" girl that she loves you, and that she actually longs for a real BF situation similar to what I have with my "G" Girl, only with you.

I'll tell you one thing that amused me this last trip. I was trying to get your "P" girl's attention during presentation on my last night in town. I called her toward me as I stood on the sidelines at the second stage. I am sure she thought I wanted to take her into the privados and do a bunch of immoral acts with her. :D

My "G" girl was upstairs getting changed so we could go on salida, and nowhere around. When I motioned your "P" girl off the stage, she just had this kind of sick look on her face, kind of like, oh shit...now what do I do? She knows that I am the absolute property of "G" girl, her friend.

So, imagine her relief when I told her that you asked me to tell her "Hola," that I had her gallatas from you, that I had forgotten them in my hotel room, and that I was giving them to my "G" girl to give to her later from you. She smiled really big, and thanked me, leaned over and kissed me on the cheek.

I know the "P" girl wants something deeper with you, and it was evident that she was happy you had thought of her.

Look, I know all the stuff I talk about seems naive. But, I am here to tell you, after fucking almost all the girls in MTY over five years, that if you give the right girls a little encouragement, that you have some feelings for them, it pays off big time in HOT SEX, and great GFE dividends. If you identify the right ones, and you can determine that their attentions are legit through their own interest level, then they are ripe for an exceptional GFE...an why not. They are outcasts in their society. They need a little lovin' too, verdad?

Do you know that my "G" girl told me that she loved me for a year and half, but that I would never pay attention to her in the bar. She told me shaking her head that she just could not get my attention after I bar fined her for the first time back in 2005. She told me that this went on for months. I remember when I first took her into the privados before starting to see her most recently, that she absolutely ravashed me with kisses, just trying to send the message.

Now, do I think that their definition of being "in love" is the same as how we perceive it, probably not. But, I can uncategorically tell you that, in the moment, "G" girl is everybit as good a lover as any I have ever been with, including any romantic good girls that may have actually been in love with me in the past. That is ALL THAT MATTERS to me. It simply does not get any better than what I have with my "G" girl in the moment. I am totally convinced it is because there is "more" to it.

That isn't to say that I am disengenous to my "G" girl just in order to get what I want, because I am not. I do develop a legitimate love for my best ones, the ones that recipricate in perpetuating the effect of the GFE, and seemingly have their own little BFE going as well. The secret to it is maintaining the illusion with a sincere feeling in the moment. It is simply a chemistry that exists that allows the full development of the GFE.

You mean you guys don't understand chemistry and carino? Comon' ???

I am not so naive as to believe any of it has any meaning, but I know the difference between girls that deliver based on some legitiimate feeling, versus supplying sex without any feeling whatsover, or delivery based solely on some kind of contrived act. I have been on the receiving end of the contrived acts, acts that are typical of the MTY scene more often than not. I am here to tell you that my "G" girl is NO ACT in the moment, which is the important thing.

She tells me that it is widely known in the bar that my "G" girl and I have "something" real going on.

She tells me that when the girls see me in the bar, they tell her how I am faithful to her, which I am, at least for all intents and purposes, within her bar anyway....But, I also think there may be some value in introducing doubt in her mind that I might stray. So, I take other girls into the privados and do nothing with them but talk. That is how she knows I am faithful to her in her bar. The other girls tell her everything. She may have suspicions about me in Tangalay and Pasarelas, but she has no direct evidence that I am fucking any other girls from her bar, and she never will.

She tells me that the other girls are jealous of our situation, and that they crave the same, with whomever they are attracted to, etc... (ie: WastedG and "P" girl).

She told me specifically that your "P" girl is in love with you, and that she would like to have the same thing going with you that "G" and I have going between us. My "G" girl tells me this all the time. And, I know you guys all think I am full of shit, but I AM close to my "G" girl, and I believe her, to a certain extent, at least with respect to what she tells me concerning how her friends think.

It was funny, when my "G" girl and I were in the privados this last time, she told me that several of the girls came up to her and told her she should have a baby with me....Cool (NOT). I take all this with a certain grain of salt, and it is merely interesting that the other girls are telling my "G" girl this kind of stuff. But, it goes beyond just the friends of my "G" girl that are in the bar. It goes all the way to the manager, telling me that she can't get off work to come see me by her calling in sick.

She made a whole hell of a lot of money on that deal, yeah, 9.5 hours and $200US, and it was $200US only because I gave her that much, and not because she required it. She would have spent the time for a lot less were I being disengenuouos.

Now, would I sign over my porfolio to her, NOOOOOOOOO!!!! Would I buy her a condo in the swanky part of Monterrey next to Carlos, NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! (I mean, yes...that might be fun actually, right CP?)

Would I have a baby with her....maybe. :D (Just kidding).

None of this means anything except that it adds to the drama and titilation of what is MTY. I love MTY. :D Get with the program.

El Cabron 007

08-09-07, 03:22

She has told my "G" girl that she loves you, and that she actually longs for a real BF situation similar to what I have with my "G" Girl, only with you.

I know the "P" girl wants something deeper with you, and it was evident that she was happy you had thought of her.

She tells me that the other girls are jealous of our situation, and that they crave the same, with whomever they are attracted to, etc... (ie: WastedG and "P" girl).

She told me specifically that your "P" girl is in love with you, and that she would like to have the same thing going with you that "G" and I have going between us. My "G" girl tells me this all the time.

OK Bob, back to the subject: And let's stick to P girl. Who cares about you and your G girl ...... j/k

I will not try to explain what she 'thinks' she feels for me since our wise friend, MJ, summed it up in his award-winning report http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=586137.

Relax Carlos. I have things under control

I have few options; I can take advantage of her feelings, but that is not me. I could push her away and not pay attention to her, and that's not my character either. I do like her a lot. I can play along and fall madly in love with, lose sleep over her, damage my family because I am in love with a hooker but that is pure suicide. What do I about it? Absolutely nothing. I will go about my business and will continue enjoy her lovely and wonderful loving company. If her 'so called' love enhances the experience, so be it. I will enjoy it while it lasts. Will not lead her on but will continue to be the person she ‘thinks’ fell in love with.

You see, Bob, AND Carlos, if she truly has feelings for me, she will end up disappointed and heart-broken because this relationship will not go any further. She is a classic 'decent' hooker. It breaks my heart to see her on the stage. It really does. I often cannot even look her in the eye. You ALL should see her outside the club. So full of life and ever so sweet. But hey, what else can I do but love her while I am with her? Nothing. I love her. I care for her dearly. But that’s how far it will ever go. Unfortunately, I can not erase the fact that she is a hooker from my head.

If I am to move on such feelings from anyone, I would have done so with X girl. Now her, I know for a fact that she loves me. But it is mutually understood that it is love with borders.

P did at one point cry. Keep in mind she never ever opened up to me. I can feel the pain in her eyes but she never talked to me about anything personal. However, she once asked, with a single tear in her eye, “How come we never talk?” She sent me a text message while we were in the same room telling me that she misses me. I ignored it and showed her another SMS from Lady J saying she will meet me tomorrow.

I love P. But I am not in love with her. How does this sudden knowledge, which I appreciate, thank you Bob , change things? It doesn’t.

One thing is for sure … I miss my X girl.

Wasted

Look at all those pretty colors

Mill Just

08-09-07, 07:06

I feel that with a sincere puta, I don't have to take it up a notch.

Sincere puta? LOL!!! I'm sorry, Wasted, but THAT was the funniest line ever.

You mean you guys don't understand chemistry and carino? Comon' ???

Chemistry and carino are great and there is always a component to the GFE that depends on those factors, but not moreso than in any client/provider relationship. I know that I get along better with some of my clients than with others, but that doesn't mean that I forget about my business. Neither do they.

No, I'll stick to my "G" girl, my fantasy, my illusion...I accept her claims to me as true, especially in the moment...I believe her 100%.. .

Let's remember these words and etch them in stone somewhere. I want to refer back to these words in a grand "I Told You So" post when the wheels fall off this cart.

Again, I refer back to what I posted a few posts ago:

Next time, you get the urge for a romance with a working girl, take a look at that fat, black crack***** street walker on the side of the road; Delving into her world and romancing her is a close equivalent to what we can expect in the heart and soul of a Mexican working chica. Would you expect the crack***** to tell the truth about ANYTHING? Would you expect them to care about you enough to change their outlook on life? Absolutely not!

Yes, I agree with myself!

She has told my "G" girl that she loves you, and that she actually longs for a real BF situation similar to what I have with my "G" Girl, only with you.

You mean the relationship where you pay a girl to have sex with you? I think that's what we all have.

I am not so naive as to believe any of it has any meaning, but I know the difference between girls that deliver based on some legitiimate feeling, versus supplying sex without any feeling whatsover, or delivery based solely on some kind of contrived act. I have been on the receiving end of the contrived acts, acts that are typical of the MTY scene more often than not. I am here to tell you that my "G" girl is NO ACT...

Try not paying her for a few visits and cut off all gifts as well; Just call her up and tell her just to head up to your room and screw you because that's what people in love do. Then sit back and see her mother get sicker, her kid get into an accident, her dog get diarrhea, bees attack her house, a landslide destroys her village...; watch as things just suddenly pop up and prevent her from seeing you.

Understand my point that money is the key factor in all of our relationships with working chicas- a fact that would preclude and negate any sort of "real" magic from happening. Again, they may like us moreso than their other clients, but at the end of the day, we are just that to them- clients.

And re: Post #107 of this thread:

Wow!!! That one was straight outta high school. Carlos, Wasted, is UNO always so funny and quirky? If me and my attorney head up to Monterrey and hook up with you guys, can we listen to UNO go on and on about his G Girl while whipping Skittles at him? Would he be sore about that? 'Cause that would be fun...

Sorry, UNO, all that was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. I just needed a creative outlet...

El Cabron 007

08-09-07, 07:24

Sincere puta? LOL!!! I'm sorry, Wasted, but THAT was the funniest line ever.
MJ, you lying son of a fish :-) ... I thought my line was “the funniest line ever.”
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=627968

And I think you meant to direct that at USB, not me.

And re: Post #107 of this thread:

Wow!!! That one was straight outta high school. Carlos, Wasted, is UNO always so funny and quirky? If me and my attorney head up to Monterrey and hook up with you guys, can we listen to UNO go on and on about his G Girl while whipping Skittles at him? Would he be sore about that? 'Cause that would be fun...

No MJ, only Carlos is qualified enough to counsel our great Bob. I am not that fortunate.

G'night

Wasted

MonterreyDude

08-09-07, 07:54

Mill...
I have been trying to pistol whip, rod across the back and ear pullin' USB into sense, but he is just stubborn...

Anyway, USB is a great guy. If you knew him in person you would understand why we enjoy posting around the topic... having fun, being serious, deadly serious and again, having fun.

You should come on over here and meet the loonie team in person... THEN you would be part of it, fall in love with a hooker and we would be trying to help you out, here in the Forum...

Sincere puta? LOL!!! I'm sorry, Wasted, but THAT was the funniest line ever.

Chemistry and carino are great and there is always a component to the GFE that depends on those factors, but not moreso than in any client/provider relationship. I know that I get along better with some of my clients than with others, but that doesn't mean that I forget about my business. Neither do they.

Let's remember these words and etch them in stone somewhere. I want to refer back to these words in a grand "I Told You So" post when the wheels fall off this cart.

Again, I refer back to what I posted a few posts ago:

Yes, I agree with myself!

You mean the relationship where you pay a girl to have sex with you? I think that's what we all have.

Try not paying her for a few visits and cut off all gifts as well; Just call her up and tell her just to head up to your room and screw you because that's what people in love do. Then sit back and see her mother get sicker, her kid get into an accident, her dog get diarrhea, bees attack her house, a landslide destroys her village...; watch as things just suddenly pop up and prevent her from seeing you.

Understand my point that money is the key factor in all of our relationships with working chicas- a fact that would preclude and negate any sort of "real" magic from happening. Again, they may like us moreso than their other clients, but at the end of the day, we are just that to them- clients.

And re: Post #107 of this thread:

Wow!!! That one was straight outta high school. Carlos, Wasted, is UNO always so funny and quirky? If me and my attorney head up to Monterrey and hook up with you guys, can we listen to UNO go on and on about his G Girl while whipping Skittles at him? Would he be sore about that? 'Cause that would be fun...

Sorry, UNO, all that was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. I just needed a creative outlet...

Member #3453

08-09-07, 13:32

WOW...you guys have given me all kinds of material to respond to. I had no idea when I awoke this morning that you guys were so busy after I had to go beddy bye last night. This is so nice to wake up to, and it will take me several sittings to address all your comments and concerns.

And, MJ, you are undoubtedly "one of the band" because you enjoy this banter just as much as we all do, and here, in the USB section, we can get away with it without any interference from the...yes indeedy.

Yes, MJ, come to Monterrey, I will show you the "right" way to fall in love with a hooker, and how to articulate your feelings in the forum to solicit all kinds of misinterpreted commentary. It is a blast...Seriously, you've got to get off your ass, and get up to MTY. I am looking at revisiting around August 25th, but I don't want WastedG in town fucking things up :D, which means I may have to stay as close to the 4th of September as possible, but I can't stay that long, over the entire holiday weekend without screwing up my home life, the thing that really matters. Decisions, decisions....I have to do something soon or I won't be able to get plane tickets, seats...life is too damned complicated.

I was contemplating the activity on the MTY section, and it occurs to me that the only thing over there for at least a week has been the financial markets discussion that was initiated by Precocious One, an intellectually stimulating discussion of course.

My point is, the "action" is in the USB section. The futher point is, there is apparently nobody visiting MTY, or reporting on MTY, no massage parlor reports, or whatever...Jackson was wise, because without the USB section there would be nothing to read, nothing to entertain we pathetic cyberhogs that have no life otherwise, verdad? With the exception of PO's commentary on the financial markets, which is certainly and intellectually stimulating subject, there is simply nothing of substance in the MTY section. Well, I guess what we comment on her is not really anything of "substance" either...but, it's a lot better than nothing.

MJ, you must come to MTY. We are all brothers in arms. You and Carlos can pistol whip me with wet noodles.

Aint this fun!!! :D So, here goes with the first installment.

WastedG Says:

"It breaks my heart to see her on the stage. It really does. I often cannot even look her in the eye. You ALL should see her outside the club. So full of life and ever so sweet."

This is precisely my position on my "G" girl. There will be NO legitimization, and no falling in love with her in the real sense back home. No, if you sense that I am in love with her in my "real" existence, it is merely due to my articulating my "disappointments" in her as my very best provider of all time, and not to be construed that she is anything but a puta in reality...but she IS my lover in MTY. That is what I am there for...other than to visit my novio, Carlos.

As WastedG said, "But hey, what else can I do but love her while I am with her? Nothing. I love her. I care for her dearly. But that’s how far it will ever go. Unfortunately, I can not erase the fact that she is a hooker from my head."

My take is a slight variation of this in that I know she is a hooker, but I also know that she is not from mars. She is a female, and she has the same capacity to "love," certainly in the moment, just as I do, even when we both actively fuck other people. One really has little to do with the other, IMHO. I am no different than she is.

I do not feel any guilt in leading her on because she has chosen her profession, and she probably believes the same things about me that I do about her, that we are both active otherwise. That DOES NOT negate feelings in the moment. That is the intregal part of my GFE with her.

Without it, she is just another puta. But, for me, she is not just another puta right now, but she is fading fast. You see, I have had that discussion with her, that she is changing into just another "puta." Of course, I didn't use that word because I do not want to hurt her feelings. But, she got the message loud and clear that if we are going to continue to see each other, if I am going to continue to patronize her, she must maintain the illusion sufficiently to make me "feel" in the moment that she is not just another puta. She got the message, and pulled out all the stops on the last night I was in town...perfect. But, she can't erase the boob job, and that will effect her ability to "act" in the moment for all time. That is the source of my disappointment that all are interpreting in me as "true love."

Member #3453

08-09-07, 13:47

Quote:
Originally Posted by UnospongeBob
"She has told my "G" girl that she loves you, and that she actually longs for a real BF situation similar to what I have with my "G" Girl, only with you."

MJ:
"You mean the relationship where you pay a girl to have sex with you? I think that's what we all have."

USB response herein...

No, we must pay them because we CAN NOT and WILL NOT legitimize them, not because they are agreeing to have sex with us only because of the money that normally motivates them. If I legitimized her, I would not have to pay her. This, I know is true.

If I put her up in an apartment, gave her grocery money, paid the utilities, bought her a car, filled her tank with gas, gave her tuition money to go to hair dressing school, supplied all her worldly monetary needs, just like one would do with a wife, or provided her with support that is so indicative of most relationships between true boyfriends and girlfriends, then she would fuck me free, no money. But, I don't even press the issue because there is no way I will legitimize her, and she knows it up front. When we first met, I was very clear that I would never legitimize her, and she wants it. She does not know my personal circumstances, but she knows the important stuff...I WILL NOT MAKE HER (A PUTA) AN HONEST WOMAN.

If I could convince her that I would legitimize her, and if I were willing to pay her to leave the bar scene, she would do so, and assume her responsibilities as my novia. I have had the discussion with her, and we have determined the amount that would be required to do so. But, as WastedG and everyone else has said, I do not trust a puta. Once a puta, always a puta. It is an intrinsic part of their psyche. Who wants to legitimize a puta? Intellectually, I could not and would not do so, not because I don't love the girl, because I do, but because it is a thing destined to failure and heartache.

She is entitled to the money because it is in lieu of legitimization. Frankly, it is much cheaper too. And, I miss my "G" girl.

Member #3453

08-09-07, 14:02

WastedG says, "You see, Bob, AND Carlos, if she truly has feelings for me, she will end up disappointed and heart-broken because this relationship will not go any further. She is a classic 'decent' hooker."

No, WastedG, if you give her sincerity in the moment, it will evolve just as my "relationship" with my "G" girl has evolved...tears, tears, more tears...sincerely in love with me when I am not there, until she discovers that she is not going to actually hook me, that I, just as I told her from the beginning, am NOT going to legitimize her.

She is attracted to me when I am there, wanting to fuck me and love me when I am there, wanting to be my girlfriend when I am there...then, deciding she hurts too much for this to go on, until finally she decides to isolate her emotions from me, especially doing so when I am gone. Then, when I return, the "romance" and chemistry that initiated her interest starts all over again.

Then she decides it hurts too much, and she decides to continue her job as a puta. It is a never ending cycle.

But, everytime I return, she gets back on the bicycle, until, I believe, eventually, her heart will harden, and she will not be the girl I met in the beginning. She is changing incrementally even now, even when I told her she would change from continuing to engage in her profession, and she telling me that she will never change, and she telling me she has not changed in two years.

But, what else are we to do. I could go to Signore, where there is no GFE, no emotion, no carino, nada. But, that isn't why I am in MTY. If MTY expects to be a truly world class venue, this GFE stuff has to go on, or it truly is no comparison to other better venues. Ask anyone who knows with first hand knowledge of other world class venues that have GFE to the MAX.

Because she is a puta, and because she gives to me 100%, I do love her. She gives me everything that I would seek out were I to look for a real mistress. It is not a conscious decision to love someone or to not love them. But, intellectually, I am able to regulate my behaviors away from MTY, to do the intelligent thing for the sake of my legitimate life. I do love her still the same, and she knows it.

She knows I love her ways, and she does not take advantage of her influential position, not with money, not with time, and not like most putas would were they in her position. So, I give her credit, if not for "sincerity" of emotion, then certainly for puta ethics, and at least with respect to her having an above average intelligent business acumen. But, I believe, based on my own interpretation of the events, a totality of all the signs, that her's is a legitimately felt attraction, and that her sessions are delivered with sincerity, regardless of the extraneous influences that complicate our "relationship" resulting from her job as a puta. And, why not?

Those of us that visit regularly have a very unique circumstance with these girls. Many that don't visit MTY, don't realize just how few salidas these girls go on. Most of their activities are isolated within the bars. To them it is akin to cleaning toilets. We take them out of that environment, and make them feel something. We legitimize them in the moment. Most do not realize the prestige associated with these girls being asked out on salida by we visiting Gringos. Nor do most realize the prestige these girls enjoy within the bars when they have clients that are as devoted as we are to seeing them so regularly. The girls that go on regular salida with us are the recipients of significant juice and prestige from all the other putas in the bar. It gives them status. They can't help but love us for it because they DO NOT experience our brand of caring otherwise. I truly believe that. And, the only obligation I feel is to love them unconditionally in the moment, to think fondly of them when I am gone, and to care about them all the time otherwise.
And, in the case of my "G" girl, she is precious to me in every way.

That is how I feel regardless of whether they are fucking other guys or not because in considering the bottom line, it does not effect my legitimate life back home, and she has made me believe her sincerity when she is with me, regardless of whether it is legit or not. That is why I owe her the money.

El Cabron 007

08-09-07, 14:22

I'm gonna make myself a cup of coffee.

Tania asked me to buy her a shirt. Similar to the one I bought S girl. So cute and oh man so sexy on her. When she tried it on in my room, I could not help myself. I ate her up. So I did, but how could I give it to her and what do I say to P girl when she says "y yu?" So I bought her a nice hot one too. The I thought of S. It's been a year since I got her anything and she has been a witness to me spoiling P girl. So I got her one too.

And that's it. If the other girl I love so much want a gift, they're gonna have to earn it; the old fashion way.

And Bob, "I miss my ? girl" is my mark. You can NOT use it. Back off.

Wasted

No, WastedG, if you give her sincerity in the moment, it will evolve just as my "relationship" with my "G" girl has evolved...tears, tears, more tears...sincerely in love with me when I am not there, until she discovers that she is not going to actually hook me, that I, just as I told her from the beginning, am NOT going to legitimize her.

Read the rest of my post Bob. I will continue to be the same person she assumingly fell in love with. I will not become an asshole. But it's only love Monterrey style.

Member #3453

08-09-07, 14:27

But it's only love Monterrey style.

Exactly...you are finally understanding me.

El Cabron 007

08-09-07, 14:37

Exactly...you are finally understanding me.

Now hold on just a minute their Cojack. You mean to tell me that Bob and Wasted are in agreement about how to love a hooker?

Now that I can not believe.

STOP Let me just savor the moment. Don't post anything for a couple of days. Let this be our last post. I want to remember us just they way we are.

I miss my X girl.

Dare you Bob. Do not post for 2 days :D You see, I know you are more in love with this board than you are with G girl. Dare you.

Wasted

Pmpson

08-09-07, 14:44

Hi guys,

I've been reading your excellent reports for quite some time and had never thanked you properly, so here it goes: "Tkanks". I will be working in Monterey for a couple of days and need your advise on what MPs to visit. I have been to signore a couple of times and it was great, for this time I was thinking something a little more upscale, all I am interested in is an old fashioned BBBJTC.

Thanks in advance

Member #3453

08-09-07, 16:38

Me? This is MY FRICKIN' Section, verdad? If you want to dictate protocall, then get your own WASTEDG's MTY ADVENTURES SECTION.

I double dare YOUUUUUUUUUUU!!! :D

No, scratch that...I like your posts and your regular participation. Please, please, please, please...

By the way, you are articulating yourself quite well these days WastedG. Your pros are getting better and better each time, lengthier posts, more detailed while being simultaneously meaningless like mine, better articulated...uhmmmm, I like that.

I once had to write a book for my Masters. It was literally 2-1/2" thick...no surprise right? :D

Practice makes perfect on the USB board.

Now hold on just a minute their Cojack. You mean to tell me that Bob and Wasted are in agreement about how to love a hooker?

Now that I can not believe.

STOP Let me just savor the moment. Don't post anything for a couple of days. Let this be our last post. I want to remember us just they way we are.

I miss my X girl.

Dare you Bob. Do not post for 2 days :D You see, I know you are more in love with this board than you are with G girl. Dare you.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

08-09-07, 18:04

Me? This is MY FRICKIN' Section, verdad? If you want to dictate protocall, then get your own WASTEDG's MTY ADVENTURES SECTION.

I double dare YOUUUUUUUUUUU!!! :D

No, scratch that...I like your posts and your regular participation. Please, please, please, please...

By the way, you are articulating yourself quite well these days WastedG. Your pros are getting better and better each time, lengthier posts, more detailed while being simultaneously meaningless like mine, better articulated...uhmmmm, I like that.

I once had to write a book for my Masters. It was literally 2-1/2" thick...no surprise right? :D

Practice makes perfect on the USB board.

You can't stay away, can you?

Well, thank you for the complement. Although, I wonder if my posts looking like your is a complement ;-) I remember my team and I submitting a 2-month analysis report to one of the fortune 100 US companies. They looked at it, picked it up, hand weighed it and returned a "Not Thick Enough" verdict. We inserted a ton of pictures, re-printed 20 new copies and they loved it.

Anyways. Still working on sneaking down next weekend. I'll let you know.

Where is my X girl?

Wasted

Member #3453

08-09-07, 20:15

I have decided to take up the cause, to honor the challenge posted by WastedG.

I am going to demonstrate the depth of my discipline....

Beginning Friday morning, after 10am, I will not post here for approximately four days...I will be getting my silicon breast augmentation procedure performed. We'll see about this shit...I will not be outdone by a puta, verdad?

I will, of course, monitor the goings on to make sure there is sufficient intimidation and harassment going on here from my amigos, Carlos, WastedG, the bashful but ever present MR. L, Grady, Woodway, Prok, MJ, Precocious One...

I charge you all to contribute sufficiently to frighten away any potential lurkers that might foolishly believe they can get a word in edgewise.

I will reappear again, probably sometime after early Tuesday morning. I will adhere to my commitment, provided there are no glaring issues that require my intervention...please keep these pages populated. I will need to have something to read once I have ended my exile.

As for your trip to MTY next weekend, WASTEDG, if you make it, just tell my "G" girl I am very depressed about her, and that I have decided to probably retire to Bankkok or Pattaya, maybe Manila or Jakarta, to drown my sorrows. :-(((

I am so triste over her??? Why do I love that puta so much? She is so special...Where is my "original" G Girl?

El Cabron 007

08-09-07, 20:28

I have decided to take up the cause, to honor the challenge posted by WastedG.

I am going to demonstrate the depth of my discipline....

Beginning Friday morning, after 10am, I will not post her for approximately four days. I will, of course, monitor the goings on to make sure there is sufficient intimidation and harrassment going on, but I will reappear again, probably sometime after early Tuesday morning. I will adhere to my commitment, provided there are no glaring issues that require my intervention.

As for your trip to MTY next weekend, WASTEDG, just tell my "G" girl I have retired, and will probably never see her again. :-((( I am so triste over her??? Why do I love that puta so much?

Are you serious? You mean if I bring up a philosophical 'how to love a hooker" issue, you will not comment? Or if I tell you how I decided to help P girl change her life and that I will furnish her with a home and fixed financial support so that she no longer has to work in this line of business any more, you will not comment?

Only way I can see you keeping your promise is if you are unable to comment. Not because you don't want to, it's because you can't. So which is it? What are you up to? How can you resist?

And on the "tell my G girl I have retired", you sure? Should I really tell her that? Me? In person? You want me to be the barrier of bad news? I don't think I can stand the look on her face. I like G very much. I care for her. I don't think I can do it. Besides, what well I do if she starts crying telling me how much you mean to her and how you have changed her life and how she will never love a man again the way that she loves you? I don't think I can stand the heartache. How can I face her ever again? What if she commits suicide over you?

I have a better idea. have Carlos tell her tonight. She'll be there. Carlos would not mind visiting el infi. No? But can he deliver?

Carlos, did you ever get to give me newly found S girl my love letter?

Wasted

Member #3453

08-09-07, 20:49

Pmpson,

Welcome...What I am about to say is strictly tongue in cheek, so don't take me too seriously. :D Except my recommendations are relatively valid with respect to the good places.

Well, you could try Romanos or Misses, and certainly Senore was perfectly acceptable, even for me. I tried to canvas a bunch of the MPs during my last trip and I was really not too impressed with the several that I visited.

I tried to canvas a few but got physically ill when I checked several of them and contracted Montezuma's Revenge from stepping through their doorways and gazing upon the quality of the available selection. I just wanted to take a census of the available talent pool at the MPs in MTY...I didn't really plan on it having any lasting psychological effects...but, WARNING, from the content of my posts, you can see what effect visiting an MP might have upon you, and your future quality of life.

I did not like the selection in Playboy I and II, nor did I like what I saw at at Virgo. There was one other one, but I don't remember the name.

Typcially, Verssace, is pretty good, but upscale, along the same price range as Romanos, medium upper level. Shampoo is probably just a little under Senore with respect to selection, and the price is around 150 pesos per half hour.

I don't know where to direct you other than Romano's and Misses for high end entertainment. They will cost you about 800 to 1600 pesos respectively for a half hour to forty five minutes, plus tip.

Prok in the MTY section might have better information than I. Prok has a pretty decent synopsis of the available MPs and their quality under the "reports of distinction" section. Prok is a cool dude, and if there is any selection, he will know where to most likely find it. Hope that helps.

Hi guys,

I've been reading your excellent reports for quite some time and had never thanked you properly, so here it goes: "Tkanks". I will be working in Monterey for a couple of days and need your advise on what MPs to visit. I have been to signore a couple of times and it was great, for this time I was thinking something a little more upscale, all I am interested in is an old fashioned BBBJTC.

Thanks in advance

Member #3453

08-09-07, 20:54

I told you...I am getting my breast augmentation thing...I will be out of commission, and also fucking some US putas in Detroit.

Honestly, without my G girl's sincere GFE, I see little reason to return....oh well, Que Sera Sera.......Really!

Well, there is my novio, Carlos.

Are you serious? You mean if I bring up a philosophical 'how to love a hooker" issue, you will not comment? Or if I tell you how I decided to help P girl change her life and that I will furnish her with a home and fixed financial support so that she no longer has to work in this line of business any more, you will not comment?

Only way I can see you keeping your promise is if you are unable to comment. Not because you don't want to, it's because you can't. So which is it? What are you up to? How can you resist?

And on the "tell my G girl I have retired", you sure? Should I really tell her that? Me? In person? You want me to be the barrier of bad news? I don't think I can stand the look on her face. I like G very much. I care for her. I don't think I can do it. Besides, what well I do if she starts crying telling me how much you mean to her and how you have changed her life and how she will never love a man again the way that she loves you? I don't think I can stand the heartache. How can I face her ever again? What if she commits suicide over you?

I have a better idea. have Carlos tell her tonight. She'll be there. Carlos would not mind visiting el infi. No? But can he deliver?

Carlos, did you ever get to give me newly found S girl my love letter?

Wasted

El Cabron 007

08-09-07, 21:06

Member #3453

08-09-07, 21:11

Well, I guess she will miss my dinero anyway. :-((((( Boooo hoooooo hoooo

You just reminded me of the 1st time I met you Bob. You were trying out the C pill and within minutes, you were hitting on Carlos. I was glad I was setting in the back, not with you guys. You perverts.

OK - I will tell G girl you are no longer her lover.

Wasted

Mill Just

08-09-07, 22:33

Yes, MJ, come to Monterrey, I will show you the "right" way to fall in love with a hooker...

It'll be hard to pull me away from Morelia, though. This dog is cleaning up here and up to his armpits in naive, corn-fed Morelianas. But I'll come up north on ONE condition:

That you allow me to chuck Skittles at you if I hear you say something like this:

...it will evolve just as my "relationship" with my "G" girl has evolved...tears, tears, more tears...sincerely in love with me when I am not there, until she discovers that she is not going to actually hook me, that I, just as I told her from the beginning, am NOT going to legitimize her.

She is attracted to me when I am there, wanting to fuck me and love me when I am there, wanting to be my girlfriend when I am there...then, deciding she hurts too much for this to go on, until finally she decides to isolate her emotions from me, especially doing so when I am gone. Then, when I return, the "romance" and chemistry that initiated her interest starts all over again...

Is it a deal? Or you really gonna hang it all up? I'll bring the Skittles...Is Passion Fruit alright?

Member #3453

08-10-07, 00:09

Did I say that???? Retirement??? Nawwww...

You can hurl skittles, passion fruit, M & Ms, Twix (the delicious candy bar with the cookie crunch), but not my own gallatas, ok...that would not be sporting.

Twix???? That reminds me of my mentor...

"George Costanza's efforts to obtain a Twix bar from a vending machine served as a subplot in the Seinfeld episode "The Dealership."

"George is neurotic, self-loathing, and dominated by his parents, Frank and Estelle. He has been best friends with Jerry Seinfeld since their middle school years.

George exhibits a number of negative character traits, among them stinginess, dishonesty, insecurity, and neurosis. Many of these traits form the basis for his involvement in various plots, schemes, and awkward social encounters. Episode plots frequently feature George manufacturing elaborate deceptions at work or in his relationships in order to gain or maintain some small or imagined advantage. George appears in every single episode except for "The Pen" in the third season.

George is also incredibly impressionable and many of his actions are based on the actions and advice of his friends. In "The Engagement", George asks Susan Ross to marry him and is enthusiastic about changing his life after Jerry claims that he plans to do the same; however, when George finds out that Jerry doesn't plan to change his ways at all, it suddenly hits him on how big a mistake he just made. It is revealed that he only asked Susan to marry him because he thought Jerry was also going to at least be in a meaningful relationship that would result in marriage for the two. In another episode, ("The Conversion") George willingly converts to the Latvian Orthodox religion for his girlfriend after Elaine mentions that it would be romantic, only to learn that she is leaving after he completes the conversion.

His relationships with women are always unsuccessful. His most disastrous relationship, an engagement to Susan Ross, is one of the few that ends "well" for George; he fears marriage and Susan's unexpected death saves him from the commitment. However, even this comes back to "bite him in the butt" — her parents create a foundation in her honor and endow it with the land, mansions, and money that George might have inherited.

Although occasionally referred to as being dumb by his friends (notably Elaine), a contention George does not really argue with, there is every reason to believe George is quite an intelligent man despite his neurotic behavior. He is considered an expert liar, and is often able to talk his way out of extraordinary situations. George's lying ability is often considered a useful skill by his friends. Jerry even notes that, "George could beat a lie detector test." In "The Beard" George also remarks on his own ability to lie, stating, "Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it." His skeptical, almost paranoid nature also makes it extremely difficult for someone to put one over on him. In one episode, it is discovered George has what would appear to be genius-level intelligence but that he can never access it because his mind is always so completely focused on sex. When circumstances allow him to temporarily remove sex from his mind, he is able to reach his true potential.

In "The Revenge", for example, when George quits his job in a fury only to realize his actions were a mistake, he goes back the next day as if nothing happened, mirroring Larry David's actions while working as a writer for Saturday Night Live, when he quit and then returned to his job in the same manner.

Come on up MJ. I am soooo intrigued by your corn fed chicas in Morelia, you must tutor me in the finer points of bedding Morelias. But, one concern, hopefully they are not too corn fed, verdad? And, no, you will never hear me say such things as you read here...only write them.

WastedG, cancel that notification to my "G" girl...the "MJ" might be comin' North, and if he does, I will make another trip to be abused by my loving "G" girl...I miss my "G" girl, sin o con silicones, of course.

I am back...let me at 'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It'll be hard to pull me away from Morelia, though. This dog is cleaning up here and up to his armpits in naive, corn-fed Morelianas. But I'll come up north on ONE condition:

That you allow me to chuck Skittles at you if I hear you say something like this:

Is it a deal? Or you really gonna hang it all up? I'll bring the Skittles...Is Passion Fruit alright?

Mill Just

08-10-07, 02:44

Come on up MJ. I am soooo intrigued by your corn fed chicas in Morelia, you must tutor me in the finer points of bedding Morelias. But, one concern, hopefully they are not too corn fed, verdad?

It's all natural down here in Morelia. You won't find too much silicone or saline 'round these parts. If you like "real" women who look like they just got out of Chemistry class...Morelia is the place for you.

The only tattooed, fake-breast-having chicas you'll find here are the ones imported from other, larger cities...and they are to be avoided like the plague.

Precocious One

08-10-07, 04:31

i told you...i am getting my breast augmentation thing...i will be out of commission, and also fucking some us putas in detroit.

honestly, without my g girl's sincere gfe, i see little reason to return....oh well, que sera sera.......really!

well, there is my novio, carlos.after your done getting your breast augmentation thing, can you check to see if they do penis augmentations? also, before and after pictures would be great. pricing would be helpful also. i checked into it here in monterrey, but the place was not too sanitary. it was in a shack behind some guy's house with no running water or electricity. a couple chickens, dogs and cats rep001tered about as well.

Member #3453

08-10-07, 04:34

Good...sign me up. Morelia or bust...I mean no bust...least wise no silcone bust.

If you can make your way to MTY let us know. I should be there again the week of 8/25, and I think Wasted is there over the labor day weekend.

It's all natural down here in Morelia. You won't find too much silicone or saline 'round these parts. If you like "real" women who look like they just got out of Chemistry class...Morelia is the place for you.

The only tattooed, fake-breast-having chicas you'll find here are the ones imported from other, larger cities...and they are to be avoided like the plague.

MonterreyDude

08-10-07, 08:51

Hello Pmpson... I just caught your post.

If you want something more upscale than Signore, you should head to Marsella.
They have a website at:

http://www.pompis.com.mx/

Of course we are talking here of an average price of 50 dlls starting price.
Other more on 30 to 50 dlls range would be the Horoscope, Versage and Medusass.

They also have a web page at:

http://www.medusass.com.mx/

There is also Status, Faraonas and many more... just remember that "upscale" means getting away from the main downtown area that encompasses Madero Ave, Colon Ave to the North and Tapia to the South
Alvarez St to the West and Diego de Montemayor to the East.

And if you really want upscale, go to Misses.

at www.misses.com.mx

What you need to get is El Sol daily afternoon newspaper at any convenience store. They have all the MPs in the Monterrey area with adresses and even phone numbers.

Hi guys,

I've been reading your excellent reports for quite some time and had never thanked you properly, so here it goes: "Tkanks". I will be working in Monterey for a couple of days and need your advise on what MPs to visit. I have been to signore a couple of times and it was great, for this time I was thinking something a little more upscale, all I am interested in is an old fashioned BBBJTC.

Thanks in advance

Pmpson

08-11-07, 00:33

Thanks again for your valuble information. I will be reporting soon.

MonterreyDude

08-11-07, 17:29

Any further question... just post them here.
We'll be around.

Thanks again for your valuble information. I will be reporting soon.

Member #3453

08-12-07, 12:31

well, there is an upside to that...maybe you can order a horse dick to be installed.

after your done getting your breast augmentation thing, can you check to see if they do penis augmentations? also, before and after pictures would be great. pricing would be helpful also. i checked into it here in monterrey, but the place was not too sanitary. it was in a shack behind some guy's house with no running water or electricity. a couple chickens, dogs and cats rep001tered about as well.

Member #3453

08-12-07, 13:02

I have been "Up North" for a couple of days. I have commented on this before, this has absolutely "NO" HOT girls...none. It has already been granted an "offical" distinction of having the highest population of "heavy weights," that according to some US government study. And, being a first hand observer here, I can also attest that I do not expect this city to lose it's title for that distinction in the future, certainly with the girls I have seen here.

But, more interesting to me is that I have been really consciously looking for a good looking girl. I have really, really looked. Guys, in 48 hours, I have seen absolute none, and I have been all over the place, shopping, restaurants, etc...The contrast between Monterrey and this major US city illustrates such a stark contrast I can not literally believe it.

Member #3453

08-12-07, 13:14

On a positive note, my "G" girl has texted me almost everyday since I left Monterrey over a week ago. I think she's running scared. Interesting thing is, she did not text me for almost the entire month of July. Then, when I showed up and discoverd her new boobs, expressing my discontent with them at the end of July, she told me how she was so sad at the prospect of not being with me, that she tried to put me out of her mind in July. she said that she heard I had a girl in Tangalay, and she believed I was not faithful to her, and she decided that being apart was just too painful to have such feelings for me. And, she told me that she knew I was sad when we were apart, and she had decided to end things because she felt guilty putting me through it.

After this last visit, she says she decided she is happy when I am there, so she decided that she wants to be with me, and just can't stay away, even if it means I only come back once a month at most. And, she told me she is having such sad times with every other guy she has every known otherwise that when I am not there, she wants to see me because our being together makes her feel so happy...Who am I to argue??? I know I am really, really happy when I am with her.

But, of couse, with my obvious distaste for fake boobs in general, she has apparently become sufficiently concerned that the "romance" might fade away. So, now, in my absence, she is keeping up with the texting thing pretty well. I look forward to her texts. It perpetuates the illusion. Or, maybe she does really "like" me, and realizes that the fake boobs thing turns me off. Who knows...but, the bottom line is, I think she worries that I might not come back to see her, and that my devotion may be dying on account of her stupidity with the fake boobs issue. As MJ suggested, she would have been far better off with me, paying her a relatively attractive salary to be there for me, than to get fake boobs and have to work in the privados, a prospect that, IMHO, will NOT earn her more money in the long run. I suspect, she is not making what she may have thought the change would yield in additional privados, and the recent, regular texts are a testiment that she is realizing that I am a far better bet than her believe that augmentation was going to result in a line of new clients. But, none the less, her lack of loyalty did [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. I take good care of her in every way, and in retrospect, I believe that by getting the damned fake boobs, she has jeapardized her exclusivity with me, her best and more reliable benefactor, and certainly to an extent that is much more lucrative than the paltry additional sums she might have obtained from the privados.

And, I realize too that, so far, I have not made my plane reservations to return around 8/25. So, my motivations ARE being effected. I am not necessarily motivated to return, not because I am that turned of by fake boobs per se, but because her disloyalty to me based on our prior agreements between us, cause me to lose confidence in her delivery...I have been kind of busy. But, time is slipping away if I expect to return as planned. The motivation isn't there like it was before.

It will probably return to my angel...I love that Puta!!! But, the interesting strategic thing about this is that by my directly expressing to her that by her changing (fake boobs, not telling me, etc...), my interest is also being directly effected. As a result, she seems to be making more of an effort. I don't think it would have the same effect were I to actually see one of the other girls in her bar on salida, something I could do with literally NO effort. There must be at least four girls that literally proposition me for same everytime I am in that bar.

I am going to continue my patronage of her, because I love this girl dearly, but this time, I am not telling her when I will be returning, nor will I act like I necessarily am there just to take her on salida. I want to see, psychologically and intellectually, how playing this sceanario with a little different strategy yields more positive results with her with respect to her commitment level to GFE, and to my bottom line criteria.

I may just let her initially see that I am in town, then not really stick around her club, just ducking into the bar for just enough time to make her realize I am there, and then leave. That way she will know that I am in Monterrey, that I did will not tell her in advance that I am coming to MTY, and I will let her wonder what I am otherwise up to...she will surely believe I am up to other activities in the other clubs, but she will not know for sure because I won't do anything with any of the girls in her club.

I may even take another girl into the privados, just for some banter, nothing serious, and strategically sit across forom her as she delivers the goods to some other MFer in the club. I want to start using a different tactic with her because by my changing the tactic, it seems to be making her try harder lately.

It really doesn't matter how I feel about her, whether I find her really enchanting and desireable romantically or not. What matters is whether she delivers the GFE I like, and whether she prioritizes "ME" as her #1 client, while simultaneously acting like I am not a client, regardless of how she may actually feel about me in reality. There is always an off chance that, in the moment, she feel something strong...I believe she does. But, it really doesn't matter what I think, but it is more a matter of how she continues to act.

But, it's a fine line between wrecking the GFE, and perpetuating the romance...and, it is romance. Whether it has any legitimacy isn't the issue. The romance perpetuates the best quality GFE. And, my personal opinion is that it is the romance that, if she does have any legit feelings, makes her be there with legit feelings. I believe this is true for all females, putas alike. So, by maintaining the illusion of romance, it serves to perpetuate the BFE from her perspective, and it serves to deliver the GFE from mine.

Last time I was in town, she pulled out all the stops on my last night to send me a very clear message that she wants to be there,, and on my terms...you know what I want, GFE, long time sessions, etc...The sex alone was incredible.

I think I am playing things in the right direction...and afterall, she did initiate the changes (fake boobs), not me. So, she must realize that I am not the instigator of her potentially tentative position with me lately, right? Not my fault, right? I am sorry the new fake boobs aren't yielding the income she believed they would...but, what can I say. I tried to tell her.

What do you think???

Precocious One

08-19-07, 16:20

Now hold on just a minute their Cojack. You mean to tell me that Bob and Wasted are in agreement about how to love a hooker?

Now that I can not believe.

STOP Let me just savor the moment. Don't post anything for a couple of days. Let this be our last post. I want to remember us just they way we are.

I miss my X girl.

Dare you Bob. Do not post for 2 days :D You see, I know you are more in love with this board than you are with G girl. Dare you.

Wasted"I miss my X girl."

And for good reason. X girl is hot. She can certainly make an honest man turn bad. That innocent face, along with those perfect b-cups. I can only imagine.

MonterreyDude

08-20-07, 04:33

Since I know both guys I can say as a fact that Wasted is suffering the same thing USB has when he is away from Monterrey.

Withdrawl blues... no other way to describe it.

Both USB and W miss a girl in the same terms and in the same way... there is a middle ground here for analysis, lads.

PS: Xiomara innocent face???? NO way!

"I miss my X girl."

And for good reason. X girl is hot. She can certainly make an honest man turn bad. That innocent face, along with those perfect b-cups. I can only imagine.

Member #3453

08-20-07, 05:31

actually, i am, after having been back in the "wastedland" now for over three weeks, come to my total and complete senses.

this always happens...

once i am back her for a few weeks, i realize the "charade" that is mty, and i am "intelligent" once again about the "game."

i have such a intellectual metamorphosis after having been back in the "wastedland" for a few weeks, that i do not really even have much of a desire to return to mty, except that i do miss visiting with my amigos.

i can't really imagine not returning to mty to visit with carlos, my good friend, or seeing wastedg, mr. l, grady, woodway, porker, precocious one, and any others that i may have inadvertently omitted, etc...

so, once again, even when i am not particularly motivated to see any of the girls that much, i am planning my return. there is simply something about visiting the mty scene, and participating with my amigos, that makes it all seem "fun" and worthwhile.

without my amigos being present, i doubt i would be returning nearly as often, and i might possibly not even return at all.

the first few weeks back in the "wastedland" is absolute hell for me...

the girls we find, the ones that are "special" to us, are just so damned good at worming their ways into our hearts, minds, and souls, that it takes a few weeks to purge them from our psyches. i suspect that were i to go cold turkey, and never return to mty, it would not take too long to forget them completely.

but, it has only been three or four weeks, so....i miss my "g" girl, cindy #1, my "x" girl, precocious one's "a" girl :d, new girl at tangalay, the ignoring looks from angry girl, and "givenchy girl" that raped me last time in the their private room.

since i know both guys i can say as a fact that wasted is suffering the same thing usb has when he is away from monterrey.

withdrawl blues... no other way to describe it.

both usb and w miss a girl in the same terms and in the same way... there is a middle ground here for analysis, lads.

ps: xiomara innocent face???? no way!

MonterreyDude

08-20-07, 07:31

jesus h. christ!!!!

""givenchy girl" that raped me last time in the their private room"

no wonder you flew back home standing up....

actually, i am, after having been back in the "wastedland" now for over three weeks, come to my total and complete senses.

this always happens...

once i am back her for a few weeks, i realize the "charade" that is mty, and i am "intelligent" once again about the "game."

i have such a intellectual metamorphosis after having been back in the "wastedland" for a few weeks, that i do not really even have much of a desire to return to mty, except that i do miss visiting with my amigos.

i can't really imagine not returning to mty to visit with carlos, my good friend, or seeing wastedg, mr. l, grady, woodway, porker, precocious one, and any others that i may have inadvertently omitted, etc...

so, once again, even when i am not particularly motivated to see any of the girls that much, i am planning my return. there is simply something about visiting the mty scene, and participating with my amigos, that makes it all seem "fun" and worthwhile.

without my amigos being present, i doubt i would be returning nearly as often, and i might possibly not even return at all.

the first few weeks back in the "wastedland" is absolute hell for me...

the girls we find, the ones that are "special" to us, are just so damned good at worming their ways into our hearts, minds, and souls, that it takes a few weeks to purge them from our psyches. i suspect that were i to go cold turkey, and never return to mty, it would not take too long to forget them completely.

but, it has only been three or four weeks, so....i miss my "g" girl, cindy #1, my "x" girl, precocious one's "a" girl :d, new girl at tangalay, the ignoring looks from angry girl, and "givenchy girl" that raped me last time in the their private room.

Mill Just

08-21-07, 10:14

...could this be the end of the road for uno?

...could the little lady have found some incriminating evidence?

...could uno have regained his senses after having been sucker punched by the sexuality of a young mexicana?

...could the ritalin have finally overrun the viagra in uno's system?

stay tuned for the answers to these, and other, questions...same bat time, same bat channel...

actually, i am, after having been back in the "wastedland" now for over three weeks, come to my total and complete senses.

this always happens...

once i am back her for a few weeks, i realize the "charade" that is mty, and i am "intelligent" once again about the "game."

i have such a intellectual metamorphosis after having been back in the "wastedland" for a few weeks, that i do not really even have much of a desire to return to mty, except that i do miss visiting with my amigos.

i can't really imagine not returning to mty to visit with carlos, my good friend, or seeing wastedg, mr. l, grady, woodway, porker, precocious one, and any others that i may have inadvertently omitted, etc...

so, once again, even when i am not particularly motivated to see any of the girls that much, i am planning my return. there is simply something about visiting the mty scene, and participating with my amigos, that makes it all seem "fun" and worthwhile.

without my amigos being present, i doubt i would be returning nearly as often, and i might possibly not even return at all.

the first few weeks back in the "wastedland" is absolute hell for me...

the girls we find, the ones that are "special" to us, are just so damned good at worming their ways into our hearts, minds, and souls, that it takes a few weeks to purge them from our psyches. i suspect that were i to go cold turkey, and never return to mty, it would not take too long to forget them completely.

but, it has only been three or four weeks, so....i miss my "g" girl, cindy #1, my "x" girl, precocious one's "a" girl :d, new girl at tangalay, the ignoring looks from angry girl, and "givenchy girl" that raped me last time in the their private room.

Member #3453

08-21-07, 12:40

:D

1. No
2. No, not yet...
3. More like Solicone poisioning...
4. No Drugs...not even prescriptions (except of course viagra/cialis, preferably cheap, in very low doses due to my superior inherenty fuerte levels of supermanlike virility and cabronish machoism).

...Could this be the end of the road for UNO?

...Could the little lady have found some incriminating evidence?

...Could UNO have regained his senses after having been sucker punched by the sexuality of a young Mexicana?

...Could the Ritalin have finally overrun the Viagra in UNO's system?

Stay Tuned for the answers to these, and other, questions...Same Bat time, Same Bat Channel...

Member #3453

08-22-07, 21:13

Since there isn't crap going on in the Midwest, certainly nothing relating to anything even remotely sexual, certainly nothing worthy of a report...I have an inquiry. This is a legitimate inquiry for all "serious" participants. Comon' lighten up.

Those of you interested in the culinary delights associated with my visits to Monterrey, and especially those of you that might be the recipients of same, will be pleased to know that the oven was HOT, HOT, HOT last night...and, in preparation for my upcoming trip, I will be baking feverishly for the next few nights to accomodate the demand. So, I have a survey....And, this is open to all...I need to get a general concensus. This has always been an actual debatable subject for serious bakers of my accomplished stature...so, don't pouhh, pouhh me, ok? It's a legit question.

Do you, as a connoisseur of postre, prefer your Chocolate Chip Cookies with more or less chocolate chip concentration?

3%
5%
8%
10%
15%
or lastly,
Do you want any cookie dough with your chocolate chips, or shall I just bring the bag of chips for you to munch on?

Aggie Rod

08-23-07, 04:20

Usb. I must apologize. I am one of the many. I hope. That has learned so much from all of your buddy's, that I need to meet you guys. When will you all be in monterrey next? I must admit, I have visited harem, pasareles, infinito, poisen, casino and I would not have know about these places if it weren't for you guys. I live in south texas, so I am a short bus trip away. I do not even get a hotel room, I hop on the bus back at 5am and am home by 8am having breakfast with my buddies after an all=nighter. Monterrey, what a town. I going deeper in the motherland and am going to guadalajara, they say the women are even prettier down there. I also must admit, I followed you trials and tribulation with you girlfriend. You need to know that I went thru EXACTLY the same thing you went thru, difference was mine got married from one day to the next. But as they say in Costa Rica. NEXT.

Member #3453

08-23-07, 12:48

Como Estas Aggie,

I'll be there on Saturday night, 8/25, returning again to the US on 9/1. But we are all planning to meet on Thursday night, 8/30, at El Infinito around 9pm. You are welcome, certainly, to join the fray. Or, if you prefer, PM me and I'll give you my Mexico cell phone number and we can plan to meet when it's convenient prior to Thursday.

Thanks for the empathy regarding my girlfriend(s). But, of course, I have been through some trials and tribulations with all of them :D So, not sure exactly which one you refer to. I guess Angry Girl gave me the most hearburn, with Cindy #1 being a close second. My "G" girl is not really a problem...well, except that I do not care for silicone implants. But, I will get used to them.

I hope you can make it. Look forward to meeting you, and any others that want to join us.

Usb. I must apologize. I am one of the many. I hope. That has learned so much from all of your buddy's, that I need to meet you guys. When will you all be in monterrey next? I must admit, I have visited harem, pasareles, infinito, poisen, casino and I would not have know about these places if it weren't for you guys. I live in south texas, so I am a short bus trip away. I do not even get a hotel room, I hop on the bus back at 5am and am home by 8am having breakfast with my buddies after an all=nighter. Monterrey, what a town. I going deeper in the motherland and am going to guadalajara, they say the women are even prettier down there. I also must admit, I followed you trials and tribulation with you girlfriend. You need to know that I went thru EXACTLY the same thing you went thru, difference was mine got married from one day to the next. But as they say in Costa Rica. NEXT.

Precocious One

08-23-07, 18:06

El Cabron 007

08-23-07, 23:11

If I had to pick one word out of this post, it'd be ..... "NEXT."

Wasted

Usb. I must apologize. I am one of the many. I hope. That has learned so much from all of your buddy's, that I need to meet you guys. When will you all be in monterrey next? I must admit, I have visited harem, pasareles, infinito, poisen, casino and I would not have know about these places if it weren't for you guys. I live in south texas, so I am a short bus trip away. I do not even get a hotel room, I hop on the bus back at 5am and am home by 8am having breakfast with my buddies after an all=nighter. Monterrey, what a town. I going deeper in the motherland and am going to guadalajara, they say the women are even prettier down there. I also must admit, I followed you trials and tribulation with you girlfriend. You need to know that I went thru EXACTLY the same thing you went thru, difference was mine got married from one day to the next. But as they say in Costa Rica. NEXT.

Member #3453

08-24-07, 01:43

If I had to pick one word out of this post, it'd be ..... "NEXT."

Wasted

No.....EXXXXXX for "X" girl. :D

MonterreyDude

08-24-07, 07:57

You are correct... girls in Guadalajara are the best.

Usb. I must apologize. I am one of the many. I hope. That has learned so much from all of your buddy's, that I need to meet you guys. When will you all be in monterrey next? I must admit, I have visited harem, pasareles, infinito, poisen, casino and I would not have know about these places if it weren't for you guys. I live in south texas, so I am a short bus trip away. I do not even get a hotel room, I hop on the bus back at 5am and am home by 8am having breakfast with my buddies after an all=nighter. Monterrey, what a town. I going deeper in the motherland and am going to guadalajara, they say the women are even prettier down there. I also must admit, I followed you trials and tribulation with you girlfriend. You need to know that I went thru EXACTLY the same thing you went thru, difference was mine got married from one day to the next. But as they say in Costa Rica. NEXT.

Member #3453

08-24-07, 10:38

You are correct... girls in Guadalajara are the best.

Soooooooooo, ahaaaaaa, a venue you've been hiding from us Carlos. :D I thought MTY was the superior venue.

Mill Just

08-24-07, 12:08

Member #3453

08-24-07, 16:37

Mexico is like a peach- the deeper you go inside, the sweeter the juice...

But Guadalajara is not a club city like Monterrey- it is more an MP city. The strip clubs in Guadalajara are very expensive and unless you spend serious $$$$, the only thing you'll come back with is a serious case of blue balls. The MP's are very good, though, and the non-pro chicas are the best if you like the gueras. As for me, I prefer a nice, delgada morena.

What's a "guera?"

As for the delgada morenas, I refer to them as flaca morenas...

We would be competing with each other in MTY over the relatively limited quality of selection with respect to acceptable flaca morenas. At least you have good taste :D, even if your strategies concerning the all important GFE, while certainly and unmistakably well intentioned, are strategically misguided...(double :D)

So, when are you going to stop working your ass off in Morelia, and venture up to MTY? I will be there Saturday night to give you your first lesson in GFE 101, (tripple :D)...bring your OWWWWNNNN frickin Skittles, and practice in the dug-out so you don't throw your arm out. hardy, har, har.... :D

Member #3453

08-24-07, 16:48

One of these days I am going to have to try some of these damn Chocolate Chip Cookies. I hope you and your house are staying dry buddy.

Why don't you answer my survey then...Inquiring minds want to know.

It's ok, if you are an amateur with respect to your Chocolate Chip Cookie perferences. I can enlighten you this coming week, provided of course that my girls, the friends of my girls, CARLOS and his immediate and extended huge familia and amigos Mexicanos, WastedG, Mr. L, my "G" girl, Cindy #1 (got to watch her-very hungry lately), my "X" girl, Givenchy sluuuttt, Tangaly ho, and the many thousands my amigo's girlfriends, do not scarf up the remaining crumbs before I see you. :D

Mill Just

08-24-07, 21:26

A guera is a light-skinned Mexicana. It also can be used to refer to a chica with blonde hair and/or blue or green eyes. There are plenty of gueras in Guad.

And, there is a difference between flaca and delgada here in Mexico. The word "flaca" is almost used here as an insult, as a chica devoid of femininity. The word "delgada" would be a "normal" chica without excess fat. Mexicans, in general, like their women on the hefty side. Fine by me. That just means that when I monger with my mexican friends, they can take all the gorditas while I sweep up the poor, "skinny" girls.

And, I am doing everything in my power to head up to Monterrey for the next mongering summit. I'll take it upon myself to show you Nortenos how we do things in the Heartland of Mexico...and, by the way, there are Skittles here in Morelia, so I'll bring about a kilo with me for chucking purposes.

What's a "guera?"

As for the delgada morenas, I refer to them as flaca morenas...

We would be competing with each other in MTY over the relatively limited quality of selection with respect to acceptable flaca morenas. At least you have good taste :D, even if your strategies concerning the all important GFE, while certainly and unmistakably well intentioned, are strategically misguided...(double :D)

So, when are you going to stop working your ass off in Morelia, and venture up to MTY? I will be there Saturday night to give you your first lesson in GFE 101, (tripple :D)...bring your OWWWWNNNN frickin Skittles, and practice in the dug-out so you don't throw your arm out. hardy, har, har.... :D

Strike 69

08-25-07, 02:13

Are many gueras in Mty available for full services? I mean blonde hair women... (I like both brunettes and blondes, but I'm curious about the blonde supply out there)

I know Guadalajara but in my opinion is one of the worst spot's in North America for mongering (which I find ironic because there are many many pretty girls in the streets).

Aggie Rod

08-25-07, 03:49

I was in reynosa's lipstick this past weekend and was informed by a tapatia from gdl that the golden club's table dances are 400 pesos and so are the drinks. About 350 pesos to rich for me, but was told that there are colombians, brazilians, venezulans and european. I will probably make my cerveza last all night. This might not be the proper place or forum, but any places you professional mongers recommend in gdl. I am all ears. Due to where I live, I personally like tall gueritas with blue or green eyes. Can't wait. I am meeting a buddy who promises to take me to the "bajomundo" in gdl. Carlos you want to explain! Looking forward to seeing you guys Thursday, the 30th at infintio. How will I find you guys?

Member #3453

08-25-07, 05:43

Interesting distinction with respect to flaca versus delgada. I'll have to remember that. And, I'm with you...mis amigos can have all the gorditas, and I'll take the delgadas.

With respect to Skittles...the girls in MTY act as though they have never seen them. I get the impression there may be something similiar manufactured under a different name in Mexico, perhaps with a slightly different but similiar taste. But, the girls in MTY absolutely go nutso over them. It's the damnedest thing.

But, ouch...those things sting!!!

Hope you can make it to MTY. PM me for my cell number if you can make it.

A guera is a light-skinned Mexicana. It also can be used to mention blonde hair and/or blue or green eyes. There are plenty of gueras in Guad.

And, there is a difference between flaca and delgada here in Mexico. The word "flaca" is almost used here as an insult, as a chica devoid of femininity. The word "delgada" would be a "normal" chica without excess fat. Mexicans, in general, like their women on the hefty side. Fine by me. That just means that when I monger with my mexican friends, they can take all the gorditas while I sweep up the poor, "skinny" girls.

And, I am doing everything in my power to head up to Monterrey for the next mongering summit. I'll take it upon myself to show you Nortenos how we do things in the Heartland of Mexico...and, by the way, there are Skittles here in Morelia, so I'll bring about a kilo with me for chucking purposes.

Mill Just

08-25-07, 08:53

Real Skittles are pretty available here in Morelia, at Sam's Club. Actually, I have a jar of the li'l suckers on my desk as I write.

There ARE Mexican knock-offs of American candies and they are horrible! The fake M&M's called Lunetas taste like soap and the fake Skittles taste like soap with fruit. Sorry to risk insulting the Mexicanos here on this board, but Mexican candies are the absolute worst! Mexico may have a better mongering scene and some delicious food, but they can't even come close to duplicating the quality of American candy. Also, In all my travels throughout Mexico, I've never come across a decent slice of chocolate cake or a good pizza. But I guess the deal that I made when I came to live in Mexico was to trade in the right to chocolate cake and pizza for cheap sex and sloppy BJs...I think I got the better of that deal. ;)

And when you say that the girls go nutso over the Skittles...most club girls go nutso over anything free. Simply put, they just like free stuff.

With respect to Skittles...the girls in MTY act as though they have never seen them. I get the impression there may be something similiar manufactured under a different name in Mexico, perhaps with a slightly different but similiar taste. But, the girls in MTY absolutely go nutso over them. It's the damnedest thing.

Mill Just

08-25-07, 09:03

I know Guadalajara but in my opinion is one of the worst spot's in North America for mongering.

The worst spot in North America...behind all of the United States, that is...

Actually, though, there are some decent MPs in Guadalajara at a competitive price when compared to other larger Mexican cities. But, yes, the strip clubs are like a kick in the balls.

Member #3453

08-25-07, 10:27

Just ask the waiters for "Los Gringos estan?" or, you can also ask almost any waiter for "el hombre con las galletas," and they will bring you to our table. We are, I believe, planning to be there probably between 9-10pm, which is generally our meeting time at El Infinito provided there are no airline scheduling glitches. You can also ask "donde esta Sr. Carlos con los gringos," and most waiters will know. We usually try to sit relatively close to where the girls go upstairs to the privados, just in order to get a good glimpse of the talent at hand, which will be near the second rear stage off to the right in the back of the club. Of course, if there's a crowd, you somtimes can't be too choosey with respect to seating arrangements, but that's where we we'll probably strive to sit.

I was in reynosa's lipstick this past weekend and was informed by a tapatia from gdl that the golden club's table dances are 400 pesos and so are the drinks. About 350 pesos to rich for me, but was told that there are colombians, brazilians, venezulans and european. I will probably make my cerveza last all night. This might not be the proper place or forum, but any places you professional mongers recommend in gdl. I am all ears. Due to where I live, I personally like tall gueritas with blue or green eyes. Can't wait. I am meeting a buddy who promises to take me to the "bajomundo" in gdl. Carlos you want to explain! Looking forward to seeing you guys Thursday, the 30th at infintio. How will I find you guys?

Member #3453

08-25-07, 10:29

A whole frickin' jar...uhmmm, I better wear some body armor.

Real Skittles are pretty available here in Morelia, at Sam's Club. Actually, I have a jar of the li'l suckers on my desk as I write.

There ARE Mexican knock-offs of American candies and they are horrible! The fake M&M's called Lunetas taste like soap and the fake Skittles taste like soap with fruit. Sorry to risk insulting the Mexicanos here on this board, but Mexican candies are the absolute worst! Mexico may have a better mongering scene and some delicious food, but they can't even come close to duplicating the quality of American candy. Also, In all my travels throughout Mexico, I've never come across a decent slice of chocolate cake or a good pizza. But I guess the deal that I made when I came to live in Mexico was to trade in the right to chocolate cake and pizza for cheap sex and sloppy BJs...I think I got the better of that deal. ;)

And when you say that the girls go nutso over the Skittles...most club girls go nutso over anything free. Simply put, they just like free stuff.

Strike 69

08-25-07, 16:23

i was in reynosa's lipstick this past weekend and was informed by a tapatia from gdl that the golden club's table dances are 400 pesos and so are the drinks. about 350 pesos to rich for me, but was told that there are colombians, brazilians, venezulans and european. i will probably make my cerveza last all night. this might not be the proper place or forum, but any places you professional mongers recommend in gdl. i am all ears. due to where i live, i personally like tall gueritas with blue or green eyes. can't wait. i am meeting a buddy who promises to take me to the "bajomundo" in gdl. carlos you want to explain! looking forward to seeing you guys thursday, the 30th at infintio. how will i find you guys? i will tell you my experience in gdl (even tough it was a couple of years ago). so i'm warning you it's very probably that things are different now

strip clubs:

you high end clubs; the men's club (that's the name) last time i was there they asked for a membership that costed around 2000 dls (or by accompanied with someone who has a membership) this (or was) the most expensive club in gdl where you can find some the most beautiful selection of women prices were so ridiculous high that prices in high end clubs in mty like the obsession, amnesia or the premier are a bargain compared with the prices i saw at that time in the mens's club, for example not all the girls provides full services and the ones who did asked 2000 dls other asked 1000 and the "cheaper girls" asked 500 dls (oh my gosh i've fucked porn stars in canada for less that price). overall that's what a place fo find very beautiful girls and go along with friends (with membership) to have some fun. but not full services.

too bad for the prices because the selection of women were really good at the time. i've meet a japanese business man who used his company budget to pay all his bills at the men's club and at the very same time he treated they mexican blue collar workers like crap and paid them miserable wages. tsk tsk i didn't like him because he was such a weasel.

http://www.themensclub.com.mx/

the golden club

another club were you can find girls hot as hell (mainly south americans and some times europeans) and prices are slightly better than the men's club even tough that you will end poor faster than an eye blink it's in the lazáro cárdenas boulevard just next to a hotel called "howard johnson". recommended if you have a generous budget availble for mongering. and call and made a reservation before.

http://www.goldenclubgdl.com/index_tmp.php?070723

mid-term and low-term strip clubs

candy's girls (located in vallarta street. there's a motel just next to the club) that's the one my friends used the most (when you are in a hurry and need a good f. k) prices are more reasonable and you cand find all kind of women there (ugly, normal, and hot as hell) prices of the full services were variable depending of the girl. the place is not a luxury one like the one's in the men's and golden clubs but is ok (who cares about that when you have a hot tapatia only with a g-string sitting in you lap)

there are other like the lipstick (i heard the selection of girls were avarage but you can find a jewel or two), the juniors (i think it's in tlaquepaque) the ramses (there was video in youtube of this) and others. but those didn't check.

massage parlors

the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) (no kidding that's the name) in lazaro cárdenas they had hot girls who provided full service for around 1500 pesos. there was a lovely girl called miranda. a 22 y. o. tapatia, black hair, green eyes and white skin. loved cim. this was the best "estetica at the time". and the only one i can trusth during my stay.

luigi's: i don't know if that exists anymore. avarage selection of girls. some times a candy could pop op. but nothing impressive. if you go there ask for sofia (tall, long legs, white and big titted mid twenties maybe. not a beauty but provided good service)

nefertiti (i think it's closed now) but the point here is that they hired girls below the legal age of 18 (17 and 16 y. o) a friend of mine told me about a girl called sarahai (she was 17. y. o. according to him) he said he has the most tight pussy he ever fucked.

escorts. forget about that. the escort escene is almost vanished (monterrey is a escort paradise compared to gdl even tough there's not many options here) there was the new york escort. but the owner died and the drivers took charge and they ruined the agency. there is (or was) the royal prestige. sometime you can find a very good girls. but some times not. and the agencies you can find the majority of them will give you bait and switcht. they have a slogan "estando el caliente mija no te regresa" "if he's horny he will not turn you back" so if you ask for a pretty slim brunette (or blonde) with white skin they will send you an amazing fat woman with dark skin.

you can try some independents (some of them are worthy, some not).

paty ruiz. a. k. a. "lorena la güera del samborns" (mmm she was a mid 30's pretty blonde, with big tits. she has very good oral skills. she worked in this "business" cuz she has kids and the father left

http://mx.geocities.com/neri_helen2003/indexpaty.htm

lucero 331-176- 0812 a mid 20's blonde with big tits. great performance and service. anal with extra charge. price was 1500 pesos.

javier an agency owner. (the name of the agency was "american women" but i think he changed its name to "rubias y morenas" or "blondes and brunettes" can some times get you good girls. but again i'ts ymmv. i remember a woman called "ale la del pontiac" recommended by him. 333-405-7768 girls were in the 1000 pesos range.

la vaca (the cow) she was famous for being the way of distribution of girls (mainly hdh girls. or high dollar hotties) to local politicians, businness men, and drug dealers. she's an urban legend. 3331-178-0198 except prices from 2500 pesos, 5000 pesos and even 10 000 pesos.

viviana another guadalajaran urban legend: 331-329-2160 $ 1, 200. 00

so. overall even that i don't know all the secrets in monterrey regarding sex workers and places to have fun (as carlos and company does) what i saw so far here. it's so much better that what i found in guadalajara.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

MonterreyDude

08-25-07, 17:37

No strike... mainly fair haired girls/fair haired skin girls here in MOnterrey are part of the high class caste.

Are many gueras in Mty available for full services? I mean blonde hair women... (I like both brunettes and blondes, but I'm curious about the blonde supply out there)

I know Guadalajara but in my opinion is one of the worst spot's in North America for mongering (which I find ironic because there are many many pretty girls in the streets).

MonterreyDude

08-25-07, 17:40

Bajo mundo.... must be like we say here, the Dark Side... LOL!
Me personally here I mention them as the moderate priced clubs... there must some at Guadalajara... I don't guess a city bigger than Mty is lacking moderate priced clubs...

I was in reynosa's lipstick this past weekend and was informed by a tapatia from gdl that the golden club's table dances are 400 pesos and so are the drinks. About 350 pesos to rich for me, but was told that there are colombians, brazilians, venezulans and european. I will probably make my cerveza last all night. This might not be the proper place or forum, but any places you professional mongers recommend in gdl. I am all ears. Due to where I live, I personally like tall gueritas with blue or green eyes. Can't wait. I am meeting a buddy who promises to take me to the "bajomundo" in gdl. Carlos you want to explain! Looking forward to seeing you guys Thursday, the 30th at infintio. How will I find you guys?

El Cabron 007

08-26-07, 03:43

One hell of a report. Been a while since anyone posted such an informative post.

I will tell you my experience in GDL (even tough it was a couple of years ago). So I'm warning you it's very probably that things are different now
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Member #3453

08-26-07, 04:41

One hell of a report. Been a while since anyone posted such an informative post.

GREAT REPORT STRIKE!!! WOW, those prices are something else.

I'm in Monterrey now...Met up with my "G" girl briefly tonight, just to say hello. She said Carlos was downstairs, with his "D" girl. I looked for him when I got done with "G," but I think he was already gone. Catch up with you tomorrow Mr. C.

I tried a new place tonight...Found a place on the way walking to El Cielo from El Infinito, after also checking out Givenchy and Tangalay.

I Looked for Precocious One's "S" girl, but wasn't able to find her. She was probably there somewhere, but not having met her yet, it made finding her too much of a chore to put too much effort forth. I will prevail upon PO to introduce us later if I run into him this week.

Anyway, the new club is relatively new to me anyway, and it's one that I have visited only a few times, and just to do a cursory examination of the talent in attendence. Most of the time, I didn't spend enough time to really scope it out. But, tonight, I decided I needed to cultivate a few more hunting grounds. The club is called Babies...and it's just kind of off on a side street as you walk to El Cielo from El Infi.

I first entered the place around 8pm, so it was still pretty early. I saw a girl sitting on the couch, and thought she might have potential, so I had the waiter bring her over to me. I bought her two drinks, talked to her long enough to "feel" the GFE potential.

She is 18 years old, willing to do salidas, said she will go with me todo la noche. She has never, according to her, done a salida before, and she has only worked there 4 months. She will go for 1000 pesos. She told me that she doesn't have to pay the bar anything to leave. She said if she wants to leave, she will just leave, no money to be paid to the bar. She seemed pretty interested to go. I told her I would return later tonight. She just said "Vamanos!!!" "As in, please don't leave me stranded here!!! I like that attitude!!! She seemed pretty interested to pass time on her Saturday night with me versus work in that bar environment until 6am. In gauging her interest level, she impressed me.

Anyway, it was still a little too early when I met "Babies Girl," and I wanted to check out some of my other options at El Cielo, and later, maybe around 11pm, go to Pasarelas.

So, I told her I would return for her at midnight. We'll see what develops, but she seems like she is pretty good. Kisses on the lips, A LOT, lots of hugs, lots of carino...just my type.

Plus, Babies is outside our normal circuit of clubs, so it is definitely a new hunting ground. So, she could be a really good alternative for now and into the future...and only 18 years old.

More to follow...

El Cabron 007

08-26-07, 05:06

One word of advice Bob, make sure this club requires health check for theses girls. You recall Carlos' advise about the club keeping the girls in check. This is one of them that works to our advantage. You know what I'm saying.

She is 18 years old, willing to do salidas, said she will go with me todo la noche. She has never, according to her, done a salida before, and she has only worked there 4 months. She will go for 1000 pesos. She told me that she doesn't have to pay the bar anything to leave. She said if she wants to leave, she will just leave, no money to be paid to the bar. She seemed pretty interested to go. I told her I would return later tonight. She just said "Vamanos!!!" "As in, please don't leave me stranded here!!! I like that attitude!!! She seemed pretty interested to pass time on her Saturday night with me versus work in that bar environment until 6am. In gauging her interest level, she impressed me.

Anyway, it was still a little too early when I met "Babies Girl," and I wanted to check out some of my other options at El Cielo, and later, maybe around 11pm, go to Pasarelas.

So, I told her I would return for her at midnight. We'll see what develops, but she seems like she is pretty good. Kisses on the lips, A LOT, lots of hugs, lots of carino...just my type.

Plus, Babies is outside our normal circuit of clubs, so it is definitely a new hunting ground. So, she could be a really good alternative for now and into the future...and only 18 years old.

More to follow...

MonterreyDude

08-26-07, 06:14

MonterreyDude

08-26-07, 06:17

I agree.. . Beibis is a club on the low low end.
I have never laid foot there.... not even my cohorts at my Yahoo group have gone there....

And another thing: beware of girls bearing gifts without a battle.

One word of advice Bob, make sure this club requires health check for theses girls. You recall Carlos' advise about the club keeping the girls in check. This is one of them that works to our advantage. You know what I'm saying.

Member #3453

08-26-07, 07:38

I agree.. . Beibis is a club on the low low end.
I have never laid foot there.... not even my cohorts at my Yahoo group have gone there....

And another thing: beware of girls bearing gifts without a battle.

I would not rate this club as any worse than all the other low end bars in town. The place seemed acceptable to me. Actually, it seemed just slightly, and I mean ever so slightly, below Harem in decor and comfort. I realize that you are often, Carlos, commenting on the business model, and not necessarily the actual comfort levels, etc...But, it seemed perfectly acceptable.

There were NOT a lot of hot girls at 8pm, but this particular one that I found was doable, and possibly a good option.

I would expect that this club, just like all the rest, are required by law to have the health checks in order for the girls to work. So, that prospect really doesn't concern me any more than El Infi, or El Ceilo, etc...

I hear you, Carlos, with respect to the being suspicious of girls bearing gifts without a battle. But, it is no different with any of the girls that I have had successes with. Some deliver on their promises, exceeding them beyond all imagination, like my "G" girl does, and some are a total disappointment. She is at least worth my consideration.

Aren't you guys always trying to tell me to broaden my horizons and expand my options? :D

I think Beibis has some low end potential. How much lower end can it be when comparing it to the filth of the privados in El Infinito. El Cielo, and Matehuela for example. Actually, I think it was more comfortable than Tangalay. At least at Beibis, they had couches and cushy chairs, whereas, Tangalay has all hard back, uncomfortable chairs.

I plan to give this a little more scrutiny before passing judgement. I only spent about an hour there tonight, and it was early. But, frankly, in the past, I have always noticed a significant amount of activity at the door of Beibis on Saturday night. When I passed by there tonight, I decided that because I have always seen such a large amount of activity, that I owed it a look see. In the past, I was not impressed because I have always been too impatient, just sticking my head in the door, and not sitting down, relaxing, taking the necessary time to fully assess the potential. This time, I plan to give it a full review so I don't underestimate the potential that might lie below the surface.

So, as Carlos pointed out in his previous post, things are constantly in a state of flux, and we need to stay on our toes lest the scene pass us by due to preconcieved biases. I don't endorse Beibis...not yet...but, I do want to investigate it's potential further before passing judgement.

Tonight, I did not revist Beibis to pickup my new girl, even when the deal seemed pretty tempting. I am simply too tired from the travel, and I believe I might be smarter to get some rest so I have plenty of stamina for the days ahead, when my actual salida efforts might be more serious.

I am planning on the forecasted rains this week to provide me with some added opportunity for bargains...and Beibis might offer some potential in that regard, now that I have stood the girl up once already.

If I return, and if she decides she doesn't want to let her fish get away, a rainy, and otherwise unprofitable night for her might prove to be just what I need to clinch the deal at a discount, possibly even reducing my cost for her in the final analysis.

Plus, on a bad night, I expect that her promise to stay todo la noche might actually be something she might deliver on, versus the potential that she is possibly making empty promises on a night, Saturday, when theoretically, her earning potential should be better than average.

Had fun tonight...but, just bought some drinks for the girls in the clubs, a few privados...saving my energy for better nights of the week when I believe I can be more successful, and on my terms.

MonterreyDude

08-26-07, 08:02

Just do the math: I dont' think quality-wise is good considering having as a neighbors the Escenarios SC and the Blanquita SC., as opposed to 25 fine girls each on the Givenchy and the Infinito?
I just don't want to think how that clubs is going to look on a Monday night.

Harem is on Madero Ave. right smack in the middle of Excalibur, Pasarelas, Azul Tequilas an TKChe... that IS one hell of a diference being oin a well known main Monterrey st, than being on the crossroads a Villagomez st, the street with more potholes than the rest of the city all summed up.

Yes, we told you to broaden horizons, on the same level of quality, but not to step down to gutter level.

Publicly posted here: Will you just please follow a sane advice?

I would not rate this club as any worse than all the other low end bars in town. The place seemed acceptable to me. Actually, it seemed just slightly, and I mean ever so slightly, below Harem in decor and comfort. I realize that you are often, Carlos, commenting on the business model, and not necessarily the actual comfort levels, etc...But, it seemed perfectly acceptable.

There were NOT a lot of hot girls at 8pm, but this particular one that I found was doable, and possibly a good option.

I would expect that this club, just like all the rest, are required by law to have the health checks in order for the girls to work. So, that prospect really doesn't concern me any more than El Infi, or El Ceilo, etc...

I hear you, Carlos, with respect to the being suspicious of girls bearing gifts without a battle. But, it is no different with any of the girls that I have had successes with. Some deliver on their promises, exceeding them beyond all imagination, like my "G" girl does, and some are a total disappointment. She is at least worth my consideration.

Aren't you guys always trying to tell me to broaden my horizons and expand my options? :D

I think Beibis has some low end potential. How much lower end can it be when comparing it to the filth of the privados in El Infinito and Matehuelas for example. Actually, I think it was more comfortable than Tangalay. At least at Beibis, they had couches and cushy chairs, whereas, Tangalay has all hard back, uncomfortable chairs.

I plan to give this a little more scrutiny before passing judgement. I only spent about an hour there tonight, and it was early. But, frankly, in the past, I have always noticed as significant amount of activity at the door of Beibis on Saturday night. When I passed by there tonight, I decided that because I have always seen such a large amount of activity, that I owed it a look see. In the past, I was not impressed because I have always been too impatient. This time, I plan to give it a full review so I don't underestimate the potential that might lie below the surface.

So, as Carlos pointed out in his previous post, things are constantly in a state of flux, and we need to stay on our tows lest the scene pass us by due to preconcieved biases. I don't endorse Beibis...not yet...but, I do want to investigate it's potential.

Tonight, I did not revist Beibis to pickup my new girl, even when the deal seemed pretty tempting. I am simply too tired from the travel, and I believe I might be smarter to get some rest so I have plenty of stamina for the days ahead when my efforts might be more serious.

I am planning on the forecasted rains this week to provide me with some added opportunity for bargains...and Beibis might offer some potential in that regard now that I have stood the girl up once already.

If I return, and if she decides she doesn't want to let her fish get away, a rainy, and otherwise unprofitable night for her might prove to be just what I need to clinch the deal, possibly even reducing my cost for her in the final analysis.

Plus, on a bad night, I expect that her promise to stay todo la noche might actually be something she might deliver on, versus the potential that she is possibly making empty promises on a night, Saturday, when theoretically, her earning potential should be better than average.

El Cabron 007

08-26-07, 08:40

Carlos, you pervert, leave your D-girl alone. She's mine.

I'm in Monterrey now...Met up with my "G" girl briefly tonight, just to say hello. She said Carlos was downstairs, with his "D" girl. I looked for him when I got done with "G," but I think he was already gone. Catch up with you tomorrow Mr. C.
...

Member #3453

08-26-07, 15:20

Admitedly, on Saturday night, I expected the selection to be optimum in Beibis, and for other nights to possibly be pretty mediocre. But, checking it out can't hurt. You CAN NOT be so sure Carlos, not without having checked it yourself.

Besides, aren't you always telling me to lower my standards for hightened success rates. Well, this girl was not a lowering of my standards, not at 18 years old. She was slightly less flaca than I usually selection, but I liked her look, and her attitude made me interested.

You said yourself that you do NOT frequent Beibis, and that your amigos in your Yahoo group do not go there. So, with things constantly in a state of flux, I choose to at least assess it. I have the biased tendency to form the same range of conclusions about the massage parlors, but at least I gave them a look.

Of course, I lost interest due to poor selection, which may also occur with respect to Beibis, but it doesn't take much time to scope it out. Afterall, I do not stay in these clubs long, just long enough to know the potential. I can assess a club very quickly, 20 minutes at most, but it does require me to visit the club at least to give it a fair assessment.

Remember how bad Pasarelas was just a few months ago...it was totally and completely useless. But, over the past several months, it has literally almost been the best club for selection of any in MTY.

However, last night at Pasarelas, I noticed a bunch of new girls, many of which were not nearly as good as some I have seen in the past there. So, it may be changing. Saturday night should have the very best girls in attendence. One night, an off night, isn't sufficient to pass judgement, but I will be keeping an eye on it. It was conspicuous that so many of the regular girls that I formerly cultivated were missing from Pasarelas, the "A" hss not been there for two weeks, according to a waiter.

I did not see Crystal. I learned that my "X" girl is over at Harem. Cindy #1 was the only other girl I recognized, and WastedG's "X" girl is a brand new addition. There were a lot of new girls there last night, and I was not really impressed. Cindy #1 survives the purge, but where are the others of them.

Precocious One, Our "A" girl is HOT, HOT, HOT. I was very disappointed to see that she was not there, and to learn that she had not been there for two weeks.

WastedG's "X" girl was literally the hottest girl in attendence last night. Now, she is pretty cute, and nice delgada body, but she by no means is the best I have seen in MTY. But, last night, she was the best of the entire selection there, probably at least 20 girls in attendence by 12 midnight.

I can't form any lasting conclusions, but I WILL be assessing it with a very critical eye. If this is indicative of an exodus of girls, then they have to have gone somewhere. They don't just quite working...not a bar girl....no sir. So, just as these girls have changed clubs, you never know for sure whether some of them might land in bars that we do not frequent.

They must be somewhere, perhaps somewhere that I am not looking. Those are my conclusions. I don't want to limit myself due to preconceived notions that certain clubs are not good...

Remember I witnessed the metamorphosis of Pasarelas, and had I not visited there, the realities would never have been evident. Carlos, I remember that you never visited Pasarelas in the past, not until I started to report the change, you had verified it yourself.

Oh, by the way, one of your girls in Harem asked about you. She has dark hair, is morena, average build, one of the older girls, not old, but older than 24-25 years old. I am sorry but I don't remember her name....

Where am I, Who am I, What am I, Why am I ???????????????????

Just do the math: I dont' think quality-wise is good considering having as a neighbors the Escenarios SC and the Blanquita SC., as opposed to 25 fine girls each on the Givenchy and the Infinito?
I just don't want to think how that clubs is going to look on a Monday night.

Harem is on Madero Ave. right smack in the middle of Excalibur, Pasarelas, Azul Tequilas an TKChe... that IS one hell of a diference being oin a well known main Monterrey st, than being on the crossroads a Villagomez st, the street with more potholes than the rest of the city all summed up.

Yes, we told you to broaden horizons, on the same level of quality, but not to step down to gutter level.

Publicly posted here: Will you just please follow a sane advice?

Strike 69

08-26-07, 15:44

I don't want to contradict Strike for the report, but he himself says that it is a couple of years old.

You guys have seen first hand the complete changes in clubs, girls, setup in the lapse of a few months.

For example, just look at the Prestige and the total change that went on just by changing the stage to one side... I mean, it was a total surprise to me and Iam a local.Si, es verdad, mi reporte tiene un par de años (2 para ser más preciso), pero en general en lo poco que conozco de Monterrey, he obtenido mas satisfacción en Mty, y he visto más opciones aqui en 2 meses, que mi estadía de 2 años en Guadalajara.

By the way... feel free to ask information about mongering in Canada (Montreal is the city I know the most, I'm not French Canadian by the way, so you can ask me about English Canada as well).

And guys please have some compassion and tell me where can I find girls GFE or PSE with this caliber of tits in Mty (as you can see I love women with HUGE tits) :

http://www.donita-dunes.net/big_tits/Shyla_Stylez_4/Shyla_Stylez_bigimages/Shyla_Stylez_16.jpg

http://www.babes-direct.com/trina/688_1f.jpg

http://photos.freeones.com/v_various/Club_Hardcore/Tory_Lane_002/html/photo_009.shtml

Please guys ... money is not an issue (neither Spanish) so please any information regarding "chichonas" who provides good services is much apprecieted

MonterreyDude

08-26-07, 17:53

I discovered the D girl, I worked her first... she is mine.
Anyway, she treats us both the same way, as she treats the rest of her own personal Harem...
Ok... she's yours.
Meanwhile she is mine.....

Carlos, you pervert, leave your D-girl alone. She's mine.

MonterreyDude

08-26-07, 17:56

"Oh, by the way, one of your girls in Harem asked about you. She has dark hair, is morena, average build, one of the older girls, not old, but older than 24-25 years old. I am sorry but I don't remember her name...."

Of course... my one and only G-girl from the Harem.
This one will never be touched by Wasted... I'll kill him if he dares too.

Of course...

Admitedly, on Saturday night, I expected the selection to be optimum in Beibis, and for other nights to possibly be pretty mediocre. But, checking it out can't hurt. You CAN NOT be so sure Carlos, not without having checked it yourself.

Besides, aren't you always telling me to lower my standards for hightened success rates. Well, this girl was not a lowering of my standards, not at 18 years old. She was slightly less flaca than I usually selection, but I liked her look, and her attitude made me interested.

You said yourself that you do NOT frequent Beibis, and that your amigos in your Yahoo group do not go there. So, with things constantly in a state of flux, I choose to at least assess it. I have the biased tendency to form the same range of conclusions about the massage parlors, but at least I gave them a look.

Of course, I lost interest due to poor selection, which may also occur with respect to Beibis, but it doesn't take much time to scope it out. Afterall, I do not stay in these clubs long, just long enough to know the potential. I can assess a club very quickly, 20 minutes at most, but it does require me to visit the club at least to give it a fair assessment.

Remember how bad Pasarelas was just a few months ago...it was totally and completely useless. But, over the past several months, it has literally almost been the best club for selection of any in MTY.

However, last night at Pasarelas, I noticed a bunch of new girls, many of which were not nearly as good as some I have seen in the past there. So, it may be changing. Saturday night should have the very best girls in attendence. One night, an off night, isn't sufficient to pass judgement, but I will be keeping an eye on it. It was conspicuous that so many of the regular girls that I formerly cultivated were missing from Pasarelas, the "A" hss not been there for two weeks, according to a waiter.

I did not see Crystal. I learned that my "X" girl is over at Harem. Cindy #1 was the only other girl I recognized, and WastedG's "X" girl is a brand new addition. There were a lot of new girls there last night, and I was not really impressed. Cindy #1 survives the purge, but where are the others of them.

Precocious One, Our "A" girl is HOT, HOT, HOT. I was very disappointed to see that she was not there, and to learn that she had not been there for two weeks.

WastedG's "X" girl was literally the hottest girl in attendence last night. Now, she is pretty cute, and nice delgada body, but she by no means is the best I have seen in MTY. But, last night, she was the best of the entire selection there, probably at least 20 girls in attendence by 12 midnight.

I can't form any lasting conclusions, but I WILL be assessing it with a very critical eye. If this is indicative of an exodus of girls, then they have to have gone somewhere. They don't just quite working...not a bar girl....no sir. So, just as these girls have changed clubs, you never know for sure whether some of them might land in bars that we do not frequent.

They must be somewhere, perhaps somewhere that I am not looking. Those are my conclusions. I don't want to limit myself due to preconceived notions that certain clubs are not good...

Remember I witnessed the metamorphosis of Pasarelas, and had I not visited there, the realities would never have been evident. Carlos, I remember that you never visited Pasarelas in the past, not until I started to report the change, you had verified it yourself.

Oh, by the way, one of your girls in Harem asked about you. She has dark hair, is morena, average build, one of the older girls, not old, but older than 24-25 years old. I am sorry but I don't remember her name....

Where am I, Who am I, What am I, Why am I ???????????????????

El Cabron 007

08-26-07, 21:01

OMG, you will have the exact duplicate of #2 at Infinito. Just look for the girl who does the following. You can not miss her:

1- Similar outfit.
2- Walks and dances with a lollipop - all the time
3- Stops by the mirror every time she passes it by to check herself out ...and ..
4- Her tits hang out. I mean she pulls her bra down under her tits to support and show them ..

you can't miss her. And she's sweet. Tell her I sent you, she'll appreciate it. But she's got black hair. Watch her stick the lollipop in her ass when she dances on stage. She may give you a lick if you behave.

Wasted

And guys please have some compassion and tell me where can I find girls GFE or PSE with this caliber of tits in Mty (as you can see I love women with HUGE tits) :

http://www.donita-dunes.net/big_tits/Shyla_Stylez_4/Shyla_Stylez_bigimages/Shyla_Stylez_16.jpg

http://www.babes-direct.com/trina/688_1f.jpg

http://photos.freeones.com/v_various/Club_Hardcore/Tory_Lane_002/html/photo_009.shtml

Please guys ... money is not an issue (neither Spanish) so please any information regarding "chichonas" who provides good services is much apprecieted

Member #3453

08-26-07, 22:42

WastedG, Carlos, and me have been having a little philosophical discussion. It's appropriate for the USB section.

I think this advice applies to us all, certainly. Today, I contemplated how we can gage the reactions we see from these girls with any degree of validity with respect to their true feelings toward us, me in my situation with G, and you in your situation with X, WastedG.

I have no doubt our best girls love us, in their own way. But, it's a qualified love. I concluded after thinking it over, that these kinds of girls have made decisions in their lives that permits them sociologically, emotionally, and in every other way to go contrary to what is the natural makeup in most good girls.

If love in this world is flawed, which it is, then their love is not only flawed but it is alien to the standards by which we typically judge love in the typically sociologically accepted sense. We have been conditioned to interpret romantic behavior a certain way. But, our girls are on a different planet altogether. It doesn't make it less valid for them however, just different.

They see their giving of themselves according to how much they can buck the sociological system by using their bodies, whereas good girls give of themselves because they place value on themselves, and on their chastity, at least with a lesser number of men, and based mostly on love not money, with some degree of security (money) mixed in. The motivations of good girls is the same with respect to creating a better circumstance for their lives, but they go about it differently.

Our bad girls decided to gage their worth based on how much power they could achieve, usually measured by the amount of money they could earn with their roles in society as females, and to what extent they could feel superior to circumstances that supress them otherwise.

Once that decision is made by them to deviate from the sociological norm by prostituting themselves, it changes how we should interpret the way they act toward us. It changes how we preceive what they do in their behaviors toward us in comparison to what we are used to with good girls.

We are making errors in judgement if we fail to understand that just because they accept our money, does not mean they are void of the capacity to feel legit feelings toward us. I believe that to earn money from us, and to achieve a committed emotional link to us, based on a money, and a patronage commitment, but also on an emotional level, is their ultimate revenge in a life, a life that they see is designed to otherwise always take from them. Again, we should not interpret their treatment of us the way we would normally interpret such treatment by good girls. We are playing by totally different rules.

I know that G sees herself as smart for having done what she decided to do with her life. Being smart, and beating a system that keeps her down, poor, undesireable, ethnically shunned, that is her revenge. She has no other tools, nothing other than her body, her sweetness, and her intoxicating grin. She has no education, no skills, etc...She sees her behavior in her job as mal, but she separates that behavior as being justified because it is her job. Winning the game against the establishment takes priority over how society perceives her, and it is a lesser evil than she succombing to the effects of society upon her.

To her, being labeled a puta is worth the price she pays if she feels intrinsically that she is smarter than the system. In her mind, and in the minds of most of these girls, their beating the system with their bodies and charms is how they gage their intrinsic worth. Their ability to cultivate us as loyal and caring clients is icing on the cake for them, and an achievment they covet. And, I might add, their establishing us as their "loyal" amigos romanticos is the only measuring stick that brings them closer to society's normal standards for romantic behavior, something that I believe they simultaneously crave.

Where we make errors, myself being probably the worst offender when not in the proper state of mind, is when we interpret their behavior by normal standards. I have decided that if one of these bad girls deviates substantially from what is the typical financial motivations that compel them to give their bodies in exchange for money, by seeing us for less money, for longer periods of time, with passion and carino, with some degree of concern over losing us to some other bar girl, etc...it is possibly as legitimate as it gets with them. That devotion, threw their superior delivery of GFE, entitles them to special consideration, and special treatment by me.

They only know how to interpret things, and to act through the prism of their messed up perspectives in life. Plus, there is all the other stuff in normal everyday life to complicate the actual acting out of their behaviors that we are not privy to that effect our interpretation of their behaviors. I am especially aware of this with G. But, she is far from being the only one. These girls are all the same.

For example, I had commented to Carlos that G had sent me at least one text message per day after I had left town last time...always expressing a sincere love for me, trying to make me see that she has a sincerity in her feelings by sending me the messages as promptly and consistently as possible, she apparently worrying that I might lose interest or believe her feelings were just soley based on my wanting to continue to only be her client, and not her lover/client, especially after I expressed my disappointment with her new boobs.

Well, it went on for about three weeks, consistent, non-stop text messages from her. Then, about two weeks ago they started coming more slowly, maybe once or twice a week. Now, obviously, if I were in a "relationship" with a "normal" good girl, I would interpret that as she losing interest. It would, if under normal circumstances, be an aggravating development to say the least. Fact is, we guys are accused by good girls of doing much the same thing in good girl relationships by NOT calling them, etc... But, this time, when I sat with her in the privados, I told her how I loved getting her messages, and she revealed to me that she had slowed down for a reason.

She felt compelled to explain to me that her mother went back into the hospital about two weeks ago, and that her mother actually had her cell phone for most of the last two weeks. So, there was a reasonable explanation for what I would have normally perceived as a change of heart in her. I don't even say that I believe her explanation, but it rings true with me...why not? I have no other choice but to accept her explanations, see her if she is available, and always keep my other options open.

But, the bottom line is, I choose to take the best of what she can give me, and recognize that the bad parts are not anything I can change, etc...Plus, to always realize in my heart of hearts that she is just a distraction, a distraction that only lasts a very short time. And, that what I have at home is the true devotional validity that's consistent with society's norms. I still love the "emotinal validity" of my best GFE bar girl relationships, but I strive these days to interpret them with a skewed view and an isolated emotionalism to protect my heart.

As Carlos says..."these crazy girls..." and he is right. The girls defy all the norms that we base our everyday interpretations of behavior on. So, to judge their behaviors toward us based on normal criteria by believing that certain kinds of bar girl behavior is only mercenary, and contrary to their expressed devotion toward us, or that their affections have NO validity whatsoever, is to miss the point.

The point is, I believe our best girls, the ones that are our patronizing amigos romanticos , still have a connection to us that is just as valid as any normal connection, but the validity is "their validity," outside the norms of society. I accept their brand of validity, and I've learned to take them to whatever extent I can "love" them on their terms. It is my only option. I realize to always keep my options open, but especially limiting my emotional vulnerability to them in the light of day.

We just have to fully realize what we are dealing with and realize that their behaviors are typically not meant to hurt us. They just do not see how we become emotionally entangled with them because they are not in our shoes. They threw the pair of "shoes" out long ago in order to engage in their behavior. They don't really comprehend their potential effect on us and our vulnerabilities. Sex has been cheapened by them, and they don't see the big deal. They don't, I believe, comprehend things like we do, within the same context as we are conditioned to do by the norms of society.

MonterreyDude

08-27-07, 00:47

She is not here anymore... got in fight with someone... bumped into her at the Harem and worked there for only one night.
But she no longer works there...
See how things changes from one day to another???

OMG, you will have the exact duplicate of #2 at Infinito. Just look for the girl who does the following. You can not miss her:

1- Similar outfit.
2- Walks and dances with a lollipop - all the time
3- Stops by the mirror every time she passes it by to check herself out ...and ..
4- Her tits hang out. I mean she pulls her bra down under her tits to support and show them ..

you can't miss her. And she's sweet. Tell her I sent you, she'll appreciate it. But she's got black hair. Watch her stick the lollipop in her ass when she dances on stage. She may give you a lick if you behave.

Wasted

Strike 69

08-27-07, 02:29

Where is she now?

Anyway. I'm still needing information regarding pretty girls with really big tits. (Strip Club, Massage Parlor, Escort doesn't matter) so please tell me if you can give me a hint or two regarding where to find a couple of big female melons (and if they are natural then so much better).

By the way I think a more open "Immigration policy" from Mexico will allow the local population to "enjoy" more exotic and beautiful women (Eastern European, Asians for example). I was with a Russian coworker here, she was married to a Mexican but she has a lot of problems with Mexican immigration to obtain her papers in order to stay in the country. Why? I don't know.

Looks like there's a shortage in some type of women (ej. Blondes, Asian women, black, Arab women etc)) so why don't the clubs import them? For example some high end clubs like the Obsession could give jobs to some Eastern European women. Bring them here with a working visa (I. E as models or exotic dancers) in order to have more options. Czech and Hungarian girls are hot as hell, and in Czech Republic if you go to a dancing club and chat with some girls you can have a semi pro hot as hell for less than 250 dls so I don't think some of them will refuse.

I'm wondering if I propose that to the Clubs what would happen?

What do you think guys? If there's a shortage in some kind of women why don't import them?

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against local wonderful women (Mexicans, or South Americans) I love them. But it's like food. Sometimes you want something different besides you favorite dish (tacos or hamburguers). You wanna try sushi or kebab

Gimme me your feed back

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Precocious One

08-27-07, 03:00

Admitedly, on Saturday night, I expected the selection to be optimum in Beibis, and for other nights to possibly be pretty mediocre. But, checking it out can't hurt. You CAN NOT be so sure Carlos, not without having checked it yourself.

Besides, aren't you always telling me to lower my standards for hightened success rates. Well, this girl was not a lowering of my standards, not at 18 years old. She was slightly less flaca than I usually selection, but I liked her look, and her attitude made me interested.

You said yourself that you do NOT frequent Beibis, and that your amigos in your Yahoo group do not go there. So, with things constantly in a state of flux, I choose to at least assess it. I have the biased tendency to form the same range of conclusions about the massage parlors, but at least I gave them a look.

Of course, I lost interest due to poor selection, which may also occur with respect to Beibis, but it doesn't take much time to scope it out. Afterall, I do not stay in these clubs long, just long enough to know the potential. I can assess a club very quickly, 20 minutes at most, but it does require me to visit the club at least to give it a fair assessment.

Remember how bad Pasarelas was just a few months ago...it was totally and completely useless. But, over the past several months, it has literally almost been the best club for selection of any in MTY.

However, last night at Pasarelas, I noticed a bunch of new girls, many of which were not nearly as good as some I have seen in the past there. So, it may be changing. Saturday night should have the very best girls in attendence. One night, an off night, isn't sufficient to pass judgement, but I will be keeping an eye on it. It was conspicuous that so many of the regular girls that I formerly cultivated were missing from Pasarelas, the "A" hss not been there for two weeks, according to a waiter.

I did not see Crystal. I learned that my "X" girl is over at Harem. Cindy #1 was the only other girl I recognized, and WastedG's "X" girl is a brand new addition. There were a lot of new girls there last night, and I was not really impressed. Cindy #1 survives the purge, but where are the others of them.

Precocious One, Our "A" girl is HOT, HOT, HOT. I was very disappointed to see that she was not there, and to learn that she had not been there for two weeks.

WastedG's "X" girl was literally the hottest girl in attendence last night. Now, she is pretty cute, and nice delgada body, but she by no means is the best I have seen in MTY. But, last night, she was the best of the entire selection there, probably at least 20 girls in attendence by 12 midnight.

I can't form any lasting conclusions, but I WILL be assessing it with a very critical eye. If this is indicative of an exodus of girls, then they have to have gone somewhere. They don't just quite working...not a bar girl....no sir. So, just as these girls have changed clubs, you never know for sure whether some of them might land in bars that we do not frequent.

They must be somewhere, perhaps somewhere that I am not looking. Those are my conclusions. I don't want to limit myself due to preconceived notions that certain clubs are not good...

Remember I witnessed the metamorphosis of Pasarelas, and had I not visited there, the realities would never have been evident. Carlos, I remember that you never visited Pasarelas in the past, not until I started to report the change, you had verified it yourself.

Oh, by the way, one of your girls in Harem asked about you. She has dark hair, is morena, average build, one of the older girls, not old, but older than 24-25 years old. I am sorry but I don't remember her name....

Where am I, Who am I, What am I, Why am I ???????????????????Two weeks? Not good. Best to leave that one alone for a while. If you still want to, I can call the girl from Tangalay and have her meet up with us at her new club. It's right around the corner from Infinito. Wednesday would be good for me.

El Cabron 007

08-27-07, 04:27

No way, how could it be? She's been there for like .. forever. She is an icon in Infinito.

Yeah, I guess they still come and go. But her? No way. I guess same applies to Roxana, everyone's sweetheart. Who would've ever thought she would leave too.

How many have we seen come and gone? Some return after a long absence and other never to be heard from again. Roxana, Fernanda, Gena my cochina, Myteh My China girl, Juana (can't believe she's gone) .. and others I already forgot about ...

Whatever happened to your girlfriend Michelle? I have not seen her in a long time. She still working?

She is not here anymore... got in fight with someone... bumped into her at the Harem and worked there for only one night.
But she no longer works there...
See how things changes from one day to another???

MonterreyDude

08-27-07, 04:39

Everybody's sweetheart Michelle????
the most kind of all girls? the one that gave each and every of her customers a GFE???
Gone.... haven't seen her in ages.

No way, how could it be? She's been there for like .. forever. She is an icon in Infinito.

Yeah, I guess they still come and go. But her? No way. I guess same applies to Roxana, everyone's sweetheart. Who would've ever thought she would leave too.

How many have we seen come and gone? Some return after a long absence and other never to be heard from again. Roxana, Fernanda, Gena my cochina, Myteh My China girl, Juana (can't believe she's gone) .. and others I already forgot about ...

Whatever happened to your girlfriend Michelle? I have not seen her in a long time. She still working?

MonterreyDude

08-27-07, 04:42

"Roxana, Fernanda, Gena my cochina, Myteh My China girl, Juana (can't believe she's gone) .. and others I already forgot about ..."

You're forgetting: my Estrella, your Prestige lost love (don't remember her name), Aleli, Pamela, Elisa, and maybe even Laisha of Casino.

No way, how could it be? She's been there for like .. forever. She is an icon in Infinito.

Yeah, I guess they still come and go. But her? No way. I guess same applies to Roxana, everyone's sweetheart. Who would've ever thought she would leave too.

How many have we seen come and gone? Some return after a long absence and other never to be heard from again. Roxana, Fernanda, Gena my cochina, Myteh My China girl, Juana (can't believe she's gone) .. and others I already forgot about ...

Whatever happened to your girlfriend Michelle? I have not seen her in a long time. She still working?

El Cabron 007

08-27-07, 05:08

yes, them. Where the heck did they go?

I know Naomi, Lady J's worst enemy and X's new found love, is hooked for good with her puto, that's what she calls him. and X loved hanging out with her. I had them both in m y hotel. They stay over night and oh man. I kept asking myself if this was real. The 2 hottest girls I knew are in my room in my bed in Mexico. They fell in love with each other, in my room, in my bed, in Mexico, with me.

I did not know Laisha was gone. I thought it was us that stopped visiting.

Aleli was sweet. We had a deal that I would give her language lessons in exchange for sex sessions. Pamela, I'll never forget that puppy face as she was waiting for us in the lobby of PDA ... for 1 hour.

I still have Estrilla's phone number and her MSN name. Wanna buy them?

And finally America. Kept running into her in all the odd places. Taboo, Casino, back at Prestige ... she has a special place in my heart.

All gone with the wind

"Roxana, Fernanda, Gena my cochina, Myteh My China girl, Juana (can't believe she's gone) .. and others I already forgot about ..."

You're forgetting: my Estrella, your Prestige lost love (don't remember her name), Aleli, Pamela, Elisa, and maybe even Laisha of Casino.

MonterreyDude

08-27-07, 06:39

Again Strike... old news.
When the strip clubs started en force here in Monterrey, the Amnesia used to have every girl from the map working here.

But after the year 2001, guess what, some country North of us and South of Canada decided that moving girls from other countries around is human traficking, ergo a crime and passed along that idea to other countries, including Mexico and the idea stuck.
So our federal authorities intstead of going after girls that were really exploited by mean evil guys, started going after everything that moved.

Our Migration department has been after illegal dancers for a while now and they are all but extinct.... no club has them now.

I will emphasize this: The employment of foreign girls in strip clubs is illegal in Mexico. No girl with the intent to work in a SC will be given a working permit.

So, for the record, we can not suggest the owners of strip clubs to hire girls from Old Europe or SEA, cause it is illegal for them to have them as part of their busniness manifest.

Where is she now?

Anyway. I'm still needing information regarding pretty girls with really big tits. (Strip Club, Massage Parlor, Escort doesn't matter) so please tell me if you can give me a hint or two regarding where to find a couple of big female melons (and if they are natural then so much better).

By the way I think a more open "Immigration policy" from Mexico will allow the local population to "enjoy" more exotic and beautiful women (Eastern European, Asians for example). I was with a Russian coworker here, she was married to a Mexican but she has a lot of problems with Mexican immigration to obtain her papers in order to stay in the country. Why? I don't know.

Looks like there's a shortage in some type of women (ej. Blondes, Asian women, black, Arab women etc)) so why don't the clubs import them? For example some high end clubs like the Obsession could give jobs to some Eastern European women. Bring them here with a working visa (I. E as models or exotic dancers) in order to have more options. Czech and Hungarian girls are hot as hell, and in Czech Republic if you go to a dancing club and chat with some girls you can have a semi pro hot as hell for less than 250 dls so I don't think some of them will refuse.

I'm wondering if I propose that to the Clubs what would happen?

What do you think guys? If there's a shortage in some kind of women why don't import them?

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against local wonderful women (Mexicans, or South Americans) I love them. But it's like food. Sometimes you want something different besides you favorite dish (tacos or hamburguers). You wanna try sushi or kebab

Gimme me your feed back

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MonterreyDude

08-27-07, 06:48

Aleli is in jail... wanna visit her???

And Estrella.... not her phone number. You got her via third parties. She doesn't mess with SC girls anymore.
Think I didn't check with Nahomi afterwards???

yes, them. Where the heck did they go?

I know Naomi, Lady J's worst enemy and X's new found love, is hooked for good with her puto, that's what she calls him. and X loved hanging out with her. I had them both in m y hotel. They stay over night and oh man. I kept asking myself if this was real. The 2 hottest girls I knew are in my room in my bed in Mexico. They fell in love with each other, in my room, in my bed, in Mexico, with me.

I did not know Laisha was gone. I thought it was us that stopped visiting.

Aleli was sweet. We had a deal that I would give her language lessons in exchange for sex sessions. Pamela, I'll never forget that puppy face as she was waiting for us in the lobby of PDA ... for 1 hour.

I still have Estrilla's phone number and her MSN name. Wanna buy them?

And finally America. Kept running into her in all the odd places. Taboo, Casino, back at Prestige ... she has a special place in my heart.

All gone with the wind

El Cabron 007

08-27-07, 13:40

Conjugal visit
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A conjugal visit is a scheduled extended visit during which an inmate of a prison is permitted to spend several hours or days in private, usually with a legal spouse. While the parties may engage in sexual intercourse, the generally recognized basis for permitting such a visit in modern times is to preserve family bonds and increase the chances of success for a prisoner's eventual return to life outside prison.

The visit will usually take place in a structure provided for that purpose, such as a trailer or small cabin. Supplies such as soap, condoms, tissues, sheets, pillows, and towels may be provided.

What's she in jail for?

Aleli is in jail... wanna visit her???

And Estrella.... not her phone number. You got her via third parties. She doesn't mess with SC girls anymore.
Think I didn't check with Nahomi afterwards???

Member #3453

08-27-07, 13:42

Two weeks? Not good. Best to leave that one alone for a while. If you still want to, I can call the girl from Tangalay and have her meet up with us at her new club. It's right around the corner from Infinito. Wednesday would be good for me.

I met your "S" girl at Tangalay last night. I actually talked to her for a few moments, but she was tied up. When I got there, she was busy with one dude, had one waiting, and I was to be the third. I didn't have that kind of waiting time. She seems like she would be a lot of fun.

Strike 69

08-27-07, 16:47

Member #3453

08-28-07, 13:32

WastedG,

Last night, I went to Pasarelas, and of course "X" was working there. I do not patronize her. Lately, I know she wonders why I am not at least buying her a drink, and/or at least helping her out as a friend. I did buy her one drink before, and that was the first night I was there. It was when the waiter brought her unknowingly to my table. I just think that buying her drinks is a waste of time for me. I mean, I am not going to have access to her for all the various reasons I've discussed previously.

Last night, I bought a single drink for (5) different girls, all done in front of your "X" girl. The bar was virtually empty the entire night due to the rain...Thank God for the rain. I was able to gage the reactions of each girl I was interested in, in order to determine their potential for salida material.

But, my point is, I think "X" is disappointed in me, from a business sense, and hopefully not also on a personal level, that I have taken this position, but I can't help it. She is a waste of my time for two reasons.

First, she IS your girl, and I will not tread on that "relationship" because, even though many reading this will believe we are both dilusional in our interpretations of things, I know she "loves" you for real, just as I know my "G" girl and I have something that is just as out of the ordinary. I am fully aware of the behaviors of good providers versus "committed" providers. Committed providers seem to display a level of participation that transcends the normal experience. I know the difference. Ihad a good, really excellent provider on Sunday night. She does not hold a candle to my "G" girl, period.

But...I digress again...

I will not interject myself into that mix between you two, "P" or "X." Whatever some think that might be reading our exploits, I ask that they at least consider that I have probably bar fined at least 200 girls in MTY over five years, and I know an out of the ordinary circumstance that starts out as a business relationship, and develops into something more. It is not a common occurence, but none the less, it has happened to both of us.

Do I think these are "Real" committed relatioships? NOOOOO. But, I DO seriously believe they are far and away more than the typical 'good" client/provider relationship. As my "G" girl likes to call us, we ARE "Amigos Romanticos," and I believe her.

For my part, enjoying the GFE as I do, in the case of my "G" girl, I am very respectful of her feelings because I believe she is legit in hers. If she were not, or if it were proven otherwise to me through something other than just the understandably cynical normal logical conclusions about the typical bar girl approach to their clients, I would accept her behavior as mercenary and not be so concerned. But, I believe mine is legit in her feelings, and I believe that your "X" girl, and your "P" girl as well, are legit in their affections WastedG.

By the way, all that I am saying about your "X" girls goes double with regard to my proper behavior with your "P" girl. My "G" girl has disclosed to me the extent of your "P" girls feelings for you, and I am totally convinced that you are missing out by not really enjoying that aspect of her emotional commitment to you...but, it's none of my business.

Secondly, your "X" girl is not even in consideration, primarily because she is your girl, but also because I respect Carlos' advice. I am not necessarily wanting to interject myself into the potential explosion that could eventually occur between the two girls. In this, I believe Carlos is totally and completely accurate. Have you ever been in the middle of a cat fight???

Aye Chihuahua...I can only imagine a cat fight between two lesbian cats.

I get the distinct impression from talking to "X"s esposo that she is sort of running scared, and jealous of "X," not only of you, but jealous of her at every turn. Her esposo, IMHO, is a serious lesbian, and not even on the fringe. Personally, while "X" represents herself as a lesbian, I think there are varying degrees of that.

I believe that "X" is probably more bi than lesbian, if not only because she likes going with you, and you have perhaps shown her that she has a heterosexual side, but I can sense it from her, that she has a hetero side. "X"s exposo, on the other hand, does not send the same vib, and I believe she is a seriously committed lesbo to the inth degree, and as Carlos said, they can be really quite dangerous. I believe that her esposo could be more dangerous than "X" even while I also believe "X" is more inherently volitile.

Of course, I knew your "X" girl from Infinito, so avoiding her is not really something I can do. I mean, I am nice to her in the sense that I am always the consumate nice guy. But, in the case of her esposo, I was almost shocked that she knew who I was when I did NOT know her, not even from El Infinito nights.

I had never seen her before, not prior to the one night last month when I found her working in Givenchy, only to find out last night from her that she did not even remember our first face to face encounter. I would have noticed her. She has an "Angry Girl" body, something that would have gotten my attention had I noticed her working in El Infinito.

Last night, when I was in Pasarelas, I said hello to your "X" girl, and she acknowledged me a few times, asked me to buy her a drink, etc...She, has always been nice to me, never a problem, not even a hint of one. Last night was no different, even when I chose not to buy her a drink, and instead did so five times in front of her. Anyway, most of the night she was sitting in the booth in front of me, and she was texting on her cell, probably to her esposo.

Anyway, eventually she came over to me, and asked if I had told her esposo anything at all about you coming in town. I told your "X" girl that I just acted like I knew nothing of your plans, that as far as I knew, you were in your casa in the US. I also told "X" that I did not disclose to her esposo that you had plans about coming to MTY anytime soon.

When I told "X"s esposo these things, she seemed relieved, but not nearly as relieved as your "X" girl was at hearing that I had not let the cat out of the bag to her esposo. So, you see, your "X" girl is sincere. She does have feelings for you. She IS trying to sneak you into her life without complicating things with her partner, and her everyday existence.

All that having been said, I must caution you just as Carlos said, with the utmost seriousness. I think Carlos is right!!! And, who knows what spies her esposo might have lurking around in Pasarelas. If you see your "X" girl this trip, be very, very, cautious, if not for your own protection, perhaps for her's.

Another interesting thing...I saved the note that her esposo wrote to me when I was in Givenchy, primarily so you could see it. I stored the note in my cookie container, and when I went to Pasarelas, the note was in the cookie container.

Now, all night, literally every girl was coming to my table for cookies and candy, so eventually your "X" girl did the same. I was feeding the hords last night...there must have been about 10 girls there, and maybe 4 patrons most of the night. It was literal bliss. This cookie scam provides me the opportunity to break the ice with each and every girl in the entire bar. I am then free to pick and choose. As MJ once said, they love anything free. I am approached by girls that act like they know me when I have never met them before. Its an effective schtick.

Anyway, "X" found the note and asked me if her esposo had written it to me. I didn't mean for her to find it, but she did. She wasn't angry about the circumstance, but she was delighted to see the note was written to me, and asked me why her esposo wrote it.

Obviously, it was not a forgery and she could see it was in her esposo's hand writing. Well, I just told "X" that her esposo had written it down and sent a waiter over to me with it intially to make contact with me. I told her that her esposo was tied up with another dude, or I think she would have come over herself to ask all her questions, but she was tied up with this dude.

Finally, her esposo must have become so bothered by not knowing what "X" was up to that she just had to send me the note. Then, after I got the note, she kept smiling at me waiving at me from across the room. So, I motioned her over and told her when she was done I would buy her a drink so I could figure out what exactly was going on with this girl.

Maybe Carlos can translate the content of the note more accurately for me. It reads "Hi, no has visto a "X." I interpret it to mean, "Hello, did you see X, or why don't you see X?" something like that. I really did not understand the note, and that's why I wanted to call her esposo over to clarify it, and also because I just can't look away at the prospect of interjecting myself foolishly in the very real good potential train wreck :D

Last night, even after all the interviewing I did, I found that the girl of my desires, a new girl, one that I will refer to as my "M" girl, was already booked with another client after she gets off at 4am. "M' promises to be a real sluuuuuut. Love it!!!

She told me that she is free tonight, Tuesday, and that she will go with me then. She seems pretty interested. I called her by name, and she seemed very excited that I actually knew her name. I guess she thought I was not interested before. So, last night was a good night for cultivating new relationships, establishing known interest levels for future salidas, and just having a little party in Pasarelas. it was fun, if not somewhat disappointing that the rain did not confirm my theories about discounted fares.

You know, another thing that is bothering me a little about Pasarelas is that I have had them quote me the salida amount three times. It seems to be inconsistent. I have paid as little as 600 pesos, been quoted 700 pesos in the past, and last night, with the bar almost totally empty, was quoted 800 pesos.

Frankly, this inconsistency pisses me off. I recall that last time I had to have my "X" girl intervene with the management, that they were attempting to gouge me, the Gringo. She did intervene, and made them accept 600 pesos. But, last night, of all the nights that I would have thought the girls were open to doing salidas because of the low, low numbers of patrons in the bar, most of them seemed to stick to their guns with respect to their cut, usually quoting me 1500 pesos for two hours, and no additional time.

And, the bar, with only 4-5 patrons in it all night, was trying to gouge me for 800 pesos to take one of at least 10 totally unoccupied girls off site.

This reminds me of the Asian bar model, where they believe that by raising the price during slow times, they will do better...dumb, dumb, dumb....I finally ended up leaving without bar fining anyone. So, they were 700 pesos poorer, and the girls sat around all night without any prospects for making any real money. Who said they were smart???

Oh well, I needed the rest anyway....

MonterreyDude

08-28-07, 17:07

Yes of course... all the family of Infinito, Matehuala, Givenchy and El Cielo have their girls checked by Sanidad.

That really really sucks.

Poor Mexico so far from God and so close from the country south of Canada (like an former Mexican president said, and in this case I'm talking about sex services and nothing more)

I have seen a lot of new reforms in Mexico City these days and one of them it's the idea of make the prostitution legal. If the bill it's approve in the Congress, it is possible that in the near future it will be legal here in Monterrey?

That way the Strip Club owners could import foreing girs in a legal way and the girls will have righst and obligations by law (and also it will protect women from explotation, it help to have a better disease control that will protect both the girls and consumers. And plus the girls will pay taxes like in Germany where this hobby it's absolutly legal). That's would be great don't you think?

By the way which clubs have a weekly health checks on girls? The infamous infinito it's one of them?

El Cabron 007

08-29-07, 00:27

You got my attention. I had to read your entire post. But I skipped a little when towards the end there. So anyways, I have not talked to X for a few days now and the yearning is fading away. You have no idea how much I want to be with her. Well, I guess you do. Who am I kidding?

But as for P, she's cool and I think I give her a little too much attention. I am not missing out on anything, trust me. She's always there for me and this, for the thrill of the hunt reason, kinda kills it for me. No effort is needed on my part and she's too comfortable with me. I prefer X because I am always at the edge of my seat anticipating what well happen in few seconds from now. Never a dull moment.

But thanks Bob, your last couple of reports have been great. And I also must apologize that you got into all this mess on my account. Had I been there, you would only be a spectator. But until I arrive, you are the participant. Enjoy it so long as you're safe.

We should both go to Gevinchy's and play with the esposa ... opsss .... let's not tell Carlos. ;-)

1 more day and counting.

Wasted

WastedG,

Last night, I went to Pasarelas, and of course "X" was working there.

MonterreyDude

08-29-07, 06:43

Just picture X's girl/husband as a man... cause if you haven't looked closely, she looks like a boy.
Her face lines are not girl like...
So, now that you see the husband as a man, now you understand that she is acting accordingly to one?
She must be totally frustrated with your presence, which makes it a triangle and she is loosing her wife (take note: LEGAL WIFE) to another man...

You got my attention. I had to read your entire post. But I skipped a little when towards the end there. So anyways, I have not talked to X for a few days now and the yearning is fading away. You have no idea how much I want to be with her. Well, I guess you do. Who am I kidding?

But as for P, she's cool and I think I give her a little too much attention. I am not missing out on anything, trust me. She's always there for me and this, for the thrill of the hunt reason, kinda kills it for me. No effort is needed on my part and she's too comfortable with me. I prefer X because I am always at the edge of my seat anticipating what well happen in few seconds from now. Never a dull moment.

But thanks Bob, your last couple of reports have been great. And I also must apologize that you got into all this mess on my account. Had I been there, you would only be a spectator. But until I arrive, you are the participant. Enjoy it so long as you're safe.

We should both go to Gevinchy's and play with the esposa ... opsss .... let's not tell Carlos. ;-)

1 more day and counting.

Wasted

Member #3453

08-29-07, 11:35

WastedG,

I think Carlos' example illustrates the whole thing more vividly for me. I thought it was good analogy. By projecting onto her esposo that persona, stripping away the outward appearances of a mousy little female nymphet, it serves to illustrate more vividly for us as males just how volatile it could become if she actually were a male fighting for true love.

I personally believe that their "union" will not last. I believe that "X" is a crazy mixed up little girl, very young, very inexperienced with life, etc... I think she will eventually NOT permit herself to be possessed.

I am compelled to pursuade you to possibly consider a complete boycott of your "X" girl, at least publicly, until after the blowup. I know how hard that would be for me to accept that with my "G" girl, and I don't make the suggestion lightly. But, perhaps the breakup will occur sooner than later. But, in any case, you would probably be best off waiting in the wings for them to split naturally, something that I believe is inevitable eventually. However, if it were me, and we were discussing my "G" girl, I would be powerless in boycotting her. I would have to see her under totally secret and clandestined circumstances were I to continue it, if not for my own protection, but to keep her safe from the rage of the jealous husband.

Just consider the behavior of your "X" girl versus her esposo. "X" is still on the prowl, and for a male I might add, namely YOU!!! She is NOT going to permit her committed lesbian marriage to prevail, and her esposo is a very jealous man. "X" will end it between them...you watch and see.

If you show up at Pasarelas and patronize your "X" girl, I can almost bet that her esposo will already have spies planted watching the hen house. I can tell you after having spent a lot of time over at Pasarelas the last few days, that there is a very disproportionate number of girls working there that are lesbians or bisexual, not to mention the regular network of straight girls that seems to be established within the "normal" bar girl scene.

Your "X" girl will be pushing to have you patronize her in her bar. She has articulated that to me already several times...She is counting on it in fact. I personally would avoid that temptation knowing what I do about the make up of bar girls working there, and the potential intelligence that is probably being gathered by "X"s esposo through the normal network of spies.

If you must meet her, maybe she can pay her own bar fine, meet you somewhere on nuetral ground, somewhere other than PDA, where there is simply NO chance anyone would find out the details of your seeing one another. If you decided to go that route with "X," then that would take Carlos and me off the hook as well because she would be directly communicating with you. You can pay her for her time like I do my "G" girl, so that in the case of your "X" girl, none are the wiser with respect to earnings lost when she was supposed to be at work. Let her come up with the excuses, and keep everything below the radar. Of course, I am foolishly suggesting this because, frankly, were I discussing it about my "G" girl, a boycott would be out of the question. The attraction is simply too strong. Your call...

I don't presume to butt-in trying to tell you what to do or how to handle things, but at least my take on the circumstances, by my being on the ground here, might be of assistance in helping you formulate your ultimate strategy.

And, as far as your being concerned about "dragging" me in, WastedG, you know how the psychological nuances interest me. I am fully responsible for myself. No apologies are necessary my friend, but I appreciate your saying it.

On a lighter note, I had a great day with my "G" girl today. She arrived around 3:30pm and stayed until 10:30pm, skipping work to stay with me. Of course, I paid her a token amount so she would not miss out on earning a living. She has literally been off work now for almost two weeks, only working a few days the last couple of weeks due to Mom's illnesses. I gave her 1500 pesos today, got (7) hours of absolute bliss, at less than $20US and hour. But, of course, I did take her to Bennigen's for dinner, which was around 350 pesos.

When I stop to think about what I paid just the other night for a "good" provider...I mean really "good," 1500 pesos for the girl, and 500 pesos for the bar, a total of 2000 pesos, all in exchange for only about 3 hours of fun...well, there just simply is NO COMPARISON to my "G" girl.

The "good" pro from Givenchy was pretty good, really a lot of fun, worth every penny, and absolutely no disappointments as mongering goes. But, nothing compares to having a girl that is in love with you. She is wetter, wilder, more fun, more affectionate, more demonstrative...

Go ahead start throwing Skittles at will... :D

Tomorrow I will buy her a cell phone so I can theoretically have more seemless access to her. We will go to the movies, probably have lunch, and look for an apartment for me so I can reduce my costs. I have never been so happy as when I am in the company of this girl. I look forward to seeing her the entire week if she can swing it.

I occurs to me just how triste I will be when I have to leave here again on Saturday...OMG, look out, the upcoming posts that will illustrate the depth of my depression, the cold turkey. It promises to yield prolific pros. Stock up on the Skittles...

You got my attention. I had to read your entire post. But I skipped a little when towards the end there. So anyways, I have not talked to X for a few days now and the yearning is fading away. You have no idea how much I want to be with her. Well, I guess you do. Who am I kidding?

But as for P, she's cool and I think I give her a little too much attention. I am not missing out on anything, trust me. She's always there for me and this, for the thrill of the hunt reason, kinda kills it for me. No effort is needed on my part and she's too comfortable with me. I prefer X because I am always at the edge of my seat anticipating what well happen in few seconds from now. Never a dull moment.

But thanks Bob, your last couple of reports have been great. And I also must apologize that you got into all this mess on my account. Had I been there, you would only be a spectator. But until I arrive, you are the participant. Enjoy it so long as you're safe.

We should both go to Gevinchy's and play with the esposa ... opsss .... let's not tell Carlos. ;-)

1 more day and counting.

Wasted

Member #3453

08-29-07, 14:34

We have a new section established for "regular" members within the forum. I plan to totally and completely honor Jackson's request. I respect his appeal.

Personally, I have completely changed my perceptions of Jackson over the course of this drama over the last few months.

I believe the man has now demonstrated the true scope of his Genious. Excellent remedy to a bunch of amateurish cry babies, IMHO...and, I can say that, it's my frickin' Section, verdad? I don't mean to sound so harsh, but at least I have the Cabronish balls to say it publicly and not lurk in the shadows. I am really just a teddy bear so don't take me too literally...a softy at heart with a sharp tongue. :D

I will await the plethera of accurate and significantly detailed information that will indoubtedly be posted there, as well as the hugely helpful efforts of a select few that are more accustomed, and/or more comfortable, hiding, I mean lurking, than offering anything else, whether it be meaningless drivel or substance.

Go ahead...respond...all are welcome...say whatever you choose. We do not limit the scope of your comments here in the USB section. That is, of course, up to Jackson.

Member #3453

08-29-07, 23:20

Hola mi amigo...MJ,

Everything you said was certainly correct, very logical, well articulated, and certainly it is advice given with sincerity. I know exactly what you mean, and intellectually, I agree with everything you had to say, right down the pathology that afflicts them.

But, just as they have a pathology that afflicts them, I must have it in almost the same sense. I mean, I can not very well accuse them of being "hos" for money when I am one of their clients, virtually participating as the absolutely necessary second party to the transaction to begin with.

It occurs to me that what I look for in mongering, in a limited sense, is exactly what is lying in bed five feet from me right now. This girl is the consumate GFE. I would patronize her exclusively if she were available to me at my whim. Unfortunately, she is not, and I do stray from her for that reason only...If she were available to me always while I am here, she would have my undivided attention.

No, don't worry, I am not really contemplating the actual paying of money to her to entice her to quit. I realize the futility of that. And, truth be known, even when I have tested her with the opportunity to rob me blind, she refuses. No, there is something else going on here. I don't mean that she is not as screwed up as has been suggested. But, I can only hope that perhaps, with the right influences, she will change. Personally, I already believe I sense a slight change.

She is right now lying in my bed, under the covers, sleeping. She was up at 5am, took her mother, (2) hours, to the doctor in the morning, returned her mother to their house, another two hours, had a bunch of personal family stuff that needed to be done, and is literally already exhausted now at 3 pm when she arrived, after having made the trip a third time back into MTY to see me, another 2 hours on the bus. It shows...this girl has spent six hours on the bus today, not to mention all the work involved in life's daily routines.

She is supposed to be at work at 5pm. She is fast asleep and it's already almost 6pm. I will probalby give her money to help her make up for skipping work, which seems to be her intention. I know she is going to get in trouble at work because her boss has seen that I am in town.

He knows there is something going on, something that is way beyond the bar girl/client routine.She has no assurances that I will pay her squat. I know she probably believes I will take care of her, and I will. But, she has NO assurances that I have any money to give her. She just knows I will take good care of her the best I can. She doesn't know whether what I have to give her, if anything, is sufficient to make up her time lost at work or not.

I have not touched her sexually, and may not. She is here because she is in love with me. It is that simple. I don't think about anything beyond that. I have NO plans for her...it's just not something I can do. But, I can't help but consider her with considerably more affection and caring than I would otherwise assign a regular coniving, calculating bar girl. I have known so many of them, and what ever is going on here, whatever we choose to label it, it isn't a client/provider relationship.

I am enjoying it to it's fullest, and just as you suggested, my plan is to simply enjoy her when I am here, try to pursuade her to get out of the biz, and see if my influence upon her will help her. She is my friend. If she leaves the biz, I would be happier. I see within her personality, regardless of the pathology, some very good qualities. I hope that she can overcome the pathology, just as I hope I can overcome my own someday as well.

As you are well aware, I have other responsibilities back home, commitments that I will not betray, not in that sense anyway. Plus my emotions, and lust, but not my ultimate important commitments, are split between the love, and years of loyalty, I have waiting for me at home, and this 24 year nymphet that rocks my world better than any girl ever has, bar none, including what is at home, even when she was 24 years old.

I do not contemplate anything stupid. I would like to help her get out of the biz, but the most she will probably get from me is my benevolent influences on her. Just as you said, I doubt it will be enough.

Thank you for your effort in writing what you presented in the Monterrey section, and not only so eloquently explained, but so sincerely written. Very much appreciated.

Ken Tucky

08-30-07, 00:08

I know that I am NOT a regular member, but having observed the "drama" of the last week's excapades in Monterrey, I think I would NEVER go back to the "regular" haunts. You guys have given TMI for me to want to waste any more time or money in those joints. If it had been me, I would have taken the girl from Babies on Saturday night up on her offer. Just from the little that I know from my visits to Monterrey and from reading the posts on here, IMHO it is time for a fresh start for ALL of you guys. You guys are way too "involved" to really have a good mongering experience. I know that UnoBob has a different agenda than me, but good lord, this "buy-out" is completely insane! Let's get back to "business" and stop all this drama!

El Cabron 007

08-30-07, 06:24

I will not comment. I'll just shift-colon and right parenthesis. :)

I know that I am NOT a regular member, but having observed the "drama" of the last week's excapades in Monterrey, I think I would NEVER go back to the "regular" haunts. You guys have given TMI for me to want to waste any more time or money in those joints. If it had been me, I would have taken the girl from Babies on Saturday night up on her offer. Just from the little that I know from my visits to Monterrey and from reading the posts on here, IMHO it is time for a fresh start for ALL of you guys. You guys are way too "involved" to really have a good mongering experience. I know that UnoBob has a different agenda than me, but good lord, this "buy-out" is completely insane! Let's get back to "business" and stop all this drama!

El Cabron 007

08-30-07, 06:59

"IMHO it is time for a fresh start for ALL of you guys. You guys are way too "involved" to really have a good mongering experience."

I agree ..... and I am guilty as well. This is a good wake up call for all of us, starting with me.

All I wanna do is have some fun... Until the sun goes down on the Santa Monica Blvd, right? Isn't that what the song says? So let me have a nice relaxing weekend.

Wasted

I know that I am NOT a regular member, but having observed the "drama" of the last week's excapades in Monterrey, I think I would NEVER go back to the "regular" haunts. You guys have given TMI for me to want to waste any more time or money in those joints. If it had been me, I would have taken the girl from Babies on Saturday night up on her offer. Just from the little that I know from my visits to Monterrey and from reading the posts on here, IMHO it is time for a fresh start for ALL of you guys. You guys are way too "involved" to really have a good mongering experience. I know that UnoBob has a different agenda than me, but good lord, this "buy-out" is completely insane! Let's get back to "business" and stop all this drama!

Mill Just

08-30-07, 07:25

Aside from the general feeling of "Come on, guys, get over it..." there is also another element to all this "over-involvement."

Theirs is a strange and very, very dark world where bad things happen to good people quite frequently. And while your chicas are always the "good ones," they are always just a whisper away from a whole army of nefarious, Mexican mafioso or small-time thugs-types who wouldn't think twice about closing the curtains on a smart-alek gringo who lets his guard down.

Uno and Wasted (sorry) seem to be at the point of over confidence where they are good targets for all kinds of bad, nasty things. If I can see that, sitting in my office in Morelia, hundred of miles away, I'm positive that others, who have access to them on a semi-regular basis , can see that as well.

I'm not saying that the clubs are necessarily a danger for us gringos, but the fact that you are well-known there, a regular to some girls and a gringo with pockets of cash and a carefree attitude makes you an inviting target and sooner or later someone may take advantage of a good opportunity.

Let's face it: They know when you'll be coming and going, they know that you have money with you, they know where you stay and they know with whom you'll be. All the fawning "my girl and your girl" stuff makes you a nice, stationary target for anybody who may be out to do something bad. I'm not saying that anything will ever happen to you, but, more and more, you are making yourself an inviting target for someone who wouldn't think twice about putting you out to make a buck or two at the expense of an anonymous gringo.

As for me, I always change things up and never become predictable just to be on the safe side. Remember, these strip clubs, while fun and mostly safe, are havens for the dark-side of humanity. One of my friends from Mexico City always says, "You can throw a handful of salt up in the air in any Mexican strip club and a grain of salt will likely touch someone who'd be willing to slit your throat for the money you have in your pocket."

I know that I am NOT a regular member, but having observed the "drama" of the last week's excapades in Monterrey, I think I would NEVER go back to the "regular" haunts. You guys have given TMI for me to want to waste any more time or money in those joints. If it had been me, I would have taken the girl from Babies on Saturday night up on her offer. Just from the little that I know from my visits to Monterrey and from reading the posts on here, IMHO it is time for a fresh start for ALL of you guys. You guys are way too "involved" to really have a good mongering experience. I know that UnoBob has a different agenda than me, but good lord, this "buy-out" is completely insane! Let's get back to "business" and stop all this drama!

Member #3453

08-30-07, 11:43

Well, from my perspective, and not to discount the opinions of others here with respect to their own brand of mongering, or their defining their own good time in MTY, because I do respect their individual preferences, the USB section was originally designed especially for this, the strategy, psychology, and yes, the drama, to be reported. There are other sections of the forum where the conventional experiences can be reported.

Regardless of what many reading this section might believe about how mongering should be defined, the USB section is designed to present a wide range of opinions about what does or does not qualify as mongering, and I don't really presume to define it for others. It is all mongering in the strictest sense.

Any that have visited the other venues of the world will see that my brand of mongering is very similiar in deed to what is available in other venues. My experiences this week are the closest to Asia that I have ever encountered. In Asia however, there is absolutely NO danger whatsoever in comparison to Mexico. So, that is a consideration. However, with respect to limiting myself lately to one girl, namely my G girl, I am in the clubs less than I have ever been in the past. I am with her all the time, and have almost not set foot in the clubs comparatively since finding her. So, for me, in many different respects, having one good, austensibly committed, girl is even safer. For example, yesterday, I did not set foot in any bar in MTY. The day before, I only had a very brief lunch in Obsession, maybe only there for about 30 minutes. That having been said...

With respect to MJs comments, I believe they are the most directly relevant to the important considerations in all this, aside from the potential emotional exposure I may have to endure at some point as a result of getting too close to some of these girls, and namely, in this most recent instance, my G girl for me, and certainly with respect to WastedGs exploits for him, exploits that I do find entertaining, but ones that I do not participate in, such as exposing myself to the flat nosed types in Taboo, etc...

Plus, MJs comments about us being targets is well taken and valid. But, remember, most of the visitors to MTY are NOT regulars. I am known because I am seen, and because I know a LOT of girls. I can't help that. It takes that kind of canvassing to find what interests me. The danger is, of course, a consideration, but to do otherwise, at least for me, is to stay home. Plus, in order to find my brand of GFE in Mexico, one has to get closer than what many routinely experience in the Mexico venue.

MJs comments are ones I have seriously considered already in the past, and IMHO, the most relevant with regard to overall enjoyment of the hobby in Mexico, perhaps illustrating the sharp contrast between some other venues where the experiences are more akin to the types I report, versus what is routinely reported otherwise with respect to the Mexico experience, ie:massage parlors, street girls, and door girls.

I can uncategorically say, based on my past experience, that Monterrey, at least presently, does not compare to places like Mexico City for general danger. However, as MJ pointed out, and especially in the environment we find ourselves in within the clubs, the potential is always there. And, perhaps, as time passes, and Monterrey loses it's small town charm in comparison to places like Mexico City, we will all need to be increasingly aware of it's potential, perhaps an eventually subtle and almost incrementally indistinguishable danger level.

Very well put MJ. And a good reminder for me and my amigos. But, the real likelihood of the validity of your comments also compells me even further to get my G girl out of that environment, and I intend to push for that. The method I use to pursuade her to enter a different phase of her life sooner than later, is still under consideration.

Lets face it, they all have to get out sometime. Age is not kind to the average Mexican girl. So, most of them end up in conventional jobs at some point in time. She is 24 years old, and she probably only has about 3 years left in her prime. Plus, she is not even of the social class that could extend her longevity in the biz, I believe. Carlos can comment on that one. Whether I will be successful, dealing with a bar girl mentality, remains to seen. I care about this one. The others are on their own and I really couldn't care less about them and their respective futures.

Frankly, were I to bank roll her incrementally, paying her as I do now for her time, basically paying her between 1500 pesos to 2000 pesos for literally hours on end, thereby also compensating her for time lost in an otherwise harsh work environement, seems to be the ultimate answer. I might commit to pay her by the day, when I am here, incrementally, insisting that she find other work if we continue to see each other with exclusivity. In my opinion, that would solve the problem by not giving her anything up front that I do not routinely spend anyway on salidas in exchange for 1/5 the time, and sometimes with a really disappointing girl that does not hold a candle to my G girl.

Yesterday is a perfect example. She stayed from 3pm to 10pm, I gave her 1500 pesos, and she never went to work. From my perspective that's a huge bargain if you consider time actually having the girl with you. Last night, after she slept for about and hour, we made love...OUT FRICKIN' STANDING!!! and, then, we decided to have dinner. She likes fish, and she told me of a nice place in Bario Antigua. The dishes ordered were outstanding, she ordering shrimp wrapped in bacon with cheese in the middle, five or six of the them the size of your three middle fingers put together. I ordered a fillet with a mild picante sauce, delicious. We went back to the room, did some talking, had a little fun, and she had to leave around 10pm. She is supposed to come back today again, and I will start the process all over again. She will NOT be going in to work. Frankly, I think I have found the way that I can at least initially limit her work exposure, and possibly pursuade her to find something else to enable her to quit altogether. We'll see...

As for WastedG's comments, it is easy to swear off a certain kind of behavior, namely your commitment to a "fresh start." I make the same claim everytime I am safely sitting in my casa without the influence of a HOT babe to influence my desires. My G girl is intoxicating, and I find her influence upon me so far and away better than anything I have found here in five years, that I would not change a thing, nor would I even consider a commitment to do so.

Frankly guys, I have visited so many of these clubs here that I am not particularly impressed with the mongering in Monterrey were I not to have access to the girls that I have personally evalulated and established as worthy of my expenditures, that being only a very, very select few. Nor would I be interested in pursuing them with any different method than what I routinely use.

Honestly, there aren't that many of them, not that many that will, or can, deliver my brand of mongering. My brand of mongering does not compare to massage parlors, door girls, or street girls...that is a totally different scene. In my estimation, those venues do not even qualify in my mind as world class mongering. I don't mean that as a slam to those that enjoy those venues...not at all. But, were I to strictly limit myself to that kind of experience, I would simply not want to return. I would be booking tickets to other venues.

With respect to KenT's comment regarding the girl at Babies...you have to realize KT that my criteria for paying for a salida is very, very selective. The girl has to meet physical criteria, facial criteria, and personality criteria. I felt that the girl did not have that dynamic a personality, and I also noticed as she left my table that she was a little wide. I am very selective in those two areas. She had an attractive face, and my apprehensions about her personality may have just been that she was a little tired. She is still a contender. It's just that I have to cultivate her interest further to determine whether she will appeal to me. What sometimes seems like a bargain is really just a let down in disguise. I felt that with respect to the girl at Babies, that I did not really know her well enough to know whether I would be getting a good experience from her. The cost of a salida, even discounted, is sufficiently high, that I am almost sensitized to it being a sure thing with respect to the ultimate result. So, in that instance, I chose to skip over her that night. I may return this week if my G Girl is unavailable.

But, at least for me, lately, I am finding a mongering experience here that competes on a world class level, and is what I expect, all be it grossly more expensive, significantly more work, and quite possibly exposing me to some danger were the comments said here by mis amigos to be literally true with some bad dudes wanting to target me.

This thing with my G girl is something that's developed beyond even my own expectations. But, none the less, I report on my experiences. If it does not qualify for most as being worthy of commentary here, then I will simply enjoy it and omit any commentary that might relate to her, or compel others to frequent the regular Monterrey Section, or the Section that is now established for "Regular" Members...because, at this juncture with her, I guess I am NOT really mongering. She is, for my part, a "real girlfriend," a comment made by me with all the DUE consideration that Carlos, MJ, WastedG, KenT, etc...have all already articulated and with no delusions on my part as to the potential downside, and the very probable ultimate disappointments in the end.

I appreciate your comments, and I do not mean to sound as though I am discounting them. But, I wonder how many that have their own brand of mongering in mind would consider a change, money not being an object, were I to promote to them my brand of mongering? I wouldn't even ask it of them, other than to offer brotherly advice, which I take all of your comments to be, and appreciate them all individually.

As for me, the only reports you will see, perhaps the rest of my week here, will be reports of my activities with my G girl. The rest of the girls I know are all "trash" in comparison, even from a "mongering only" perspective, and my reports only have "drama" assigned to them based on the ultimate opinions of others as they read my reports, and make that distintion themselves as to whether my exploits are "mongering" or "drama."

Besides, what is one man's drama is a another man's GFE. Saludos :D

Aside from the general feeling of "Come on, guys, get over it..." there is also another element to all this "over-involvement."

Theirs is a strange and very, very dark world where bad things happen to good people quite frequently. And while your chicas are always the "good ones," they are always just a whisper away from a whole army of nefarious, Mexican mafioso or small-time thugs-types who wouldn't think twice about closing the curtains on a smart-alek gringo who lets his guard down.

Uno and Wasted (sorry) seem to be at the point of over confidence where they are good targets for all kinds of bad, nasty things. If I can see that, sitting in my office in Morelia, hundred of miles away, I'm positive that others, who have access to them on a semi-regular basis , can see that as well.

I'm not saying that the clubs are necessarily a danger for us gringos, but the fact that you are well-known there, a regular to some girls and a gringo with pockets of cash and a carefree attitude makes you an inviting target and sooner or later someone may take advantage of a good opportunity.

Let's face it: They know when you'll be coming and going, they know that you have money with you, they know where you stay and they know with whom you'll be. All the fawning "my girl and your girl" stuff makes you a nice, stationary target for anybody who may be out to do something bad. I'm not saying that anything will ever happen to you, but, more and more, you are making yourself an inviting target for someone who wouldn't think twice about putting you out to make a buck or two at the expense of an anonymous gringo.

As for me, I always change things up and never become predictable just to be on the safe side. Remember, these strip clubs, while fun and mostly safe, are havens for the dark-side of humanity. One of my friends from Mexico City always says, "You can throw a handful of salt up in the air in any Mexican strip club and a grain of salt will likely touch someone who'd be willing to slit your throat for the money you have in your pocket."

Ken Tucky

08-30-07, 13:58

Having been in the "rescuing business" for most of my life (I WAS a full-time minister), I found that most people would only change their "life circumstances" IF they wanted to change them. Most of the time, their "life circumstances" were stronger than their will to change. And, ALL of the time I found that MONEY was a terrible option to offer anyone in order to change their sitz en liben. God bless your sweet soul for wanting to rescue this damsel in distress from her life situation. Wish we all had enough money to help all of these "poor little girls" out of their terrible lives.

What ALL of us are trying to say as kindly as we know how: she does NOT want to be rescued. Even the "casual visitor" to Monterrey can observe this fact. An EXPERT in this business can recognize this from a million miles away.

And, as Carlos observed, there is NO hooker looking for a BFE. You are NOT looking for a GFE; you are looking for a GF! That definately does not exist!

MonterreyDude

08-30-07, 17:14

MJ is commenting on knowing when to pull out before becoming a mark, it doesn't matter if you are or not a regular.

MJ can vouch for this, but you just don't know when your girl will become a mark for a powerful customer.
It happened to me at the Harem, where I was checking one tall hot girl from Veracruz, until one guy just came around and took her away from me.
By taking I mean he always goes on Wednesday and pays her top peso for her company.

Rumors say he is a politician, a member of the police, whatever, but he is a guy with tons of money, meaning power.
Do you think Iam going to tell her "give me equal time".. no sir.
She is totally gone and I know quite well Iam not going to mess with someone I don't know.

Next: USB, you don't know the meaning of paying her to stop working.
For her to leave a secure job, one that is giving her money to maintain a whole family will be equal to lots of pesos.
Getting her out is not paying a one time figure, it means she will be expecting an amount of money on a regular basis that has to be higher in comparison to what she earns easily at the club.

Have you considered all the variables on this?
You've only thought in paying her... not the consequences of paying her.

Well, from my perspective, and not to discount the opinions of others here with respect to their own brand of mongering, or their defining their own good time in MTY, because I do respect their individual preferences, the USB section was originally designed especially for this, the strategy, psychology, and yes, the drama, to be reported. There are other sections of the forum where the conventional experiences can be reported.

Regardless of what many reading this section might believe about how mongering should be defined, the USB section is designed to present a wide range of opinions about what does or does not qualify as mongering, and I don't really presume to define it for others. It is all mongering in the strictest sense.

Any that have visited the other venues of the world will see that my brand of mongering is very similiar in deed to what is available in other venues. My experiences this week are the closest to Asia that I have ever encountered. In Asia however, there is absolutely NO danger whatsoever in comparison to Mexico. So, that is a consideration. However, with respect to limiting myself lately to one girl, namely my G girl, I am in the clubs less than I have ever been in the past. I am with her all the time, and have almost not set foot in the clubs comparatively since finding her. So, for me, in many different respects, having one good, austensibly committed, girl is even safer. For example, yesterday, I did not set foot in any bar in MTY. The day before, I only had a very brief lunch in Obsession, maybe only there for about 30 minutes. That having been said...

With respect to MJs comments, I believe they are the most directly relevant to the important considerations in all this, aside from the potential emotional exposure I may have to endure at some point as a result of getting too close to some of these girls, and namely, in this most recent instance, my G girl for me, and certainly with respect to WastedGs exploits for him, exploits that I do find entertaining, but ones that I do not participate in, such as exposing myself to the flat nosed types in Taboo, etc...

Plus, MJs comments about us being targets is well taken and valid. But, remember, most of the visitors to MTY are NOT regulars. I am known because I am seen, and because I know a LOT of girls. I can't help that. It takes that kind of canvassing to find what interests me. The danger is, of course, a consideration, but to do otherwise, at least for me, is to stay home. Plus, in order to find my brand of GFE in Mexico, one has to get closer than what many routinely experience in the Mexico venue.

MJs comments are ones I have seriously considered already in the past, and IMHO, the most relevant with regard to overall enjoyment of the hobby in Mexico, perhaps illustrating the sharp contrast between some other venues where the experiences are more akin to the types I report, versus what is routinely reported otherwise with respect to the Mexico experience, ie:massage parlors, street girls, and door girls.

I can uncategorically say, based on my past experience, that Monterrey, at least presently, does not compare to places like Mexico City for general danger. However, as MJ pointed out, and especially in the environment we find ourselves in within the clubs, the potential is always there. And, perhaps, as time passes, and Monterrey loses it's small town charm in comparison to places like Mexico City, we will all need to be increasingly aware of it's potential, perhaps an eventually subtle and almost incrementally indistinguishable danger level.

Very well put MJ. And a good reminder for me and my amigos. But, the real likelihood of the validity of your comments also compells me even further to get my G girl out of that environment, and I intend to push for that. The method I use to pursuade her to enter a different phase of her life sooner than later, is still under consideration.

Lets face it, they all have to get out sometime. Age is not kind to the average Mexican girl. So, most of them end up in conventional jobs at some point in time. She is 24 years old, and she probably only has about 3 years left in her prime. Plus, she is not even of the social class that could extend her longevity in the biz, I believe. Carlos can comment on that one. Whether I will be successful, dealing with a bar girl mentality, remains to seen. I care about this one. The others are on their own and I really couldn't care less about them and their respective futures.

Frankly, were I to bank roll her incrementally, paying her as I do now for her time, basically paying her between 1500 pesos to 2000 pesos for literally hours on end, thereby also compensating her for time lost in an otherwise harsh work environement, seems to be the ultimate answer. I might commit to pay her by the day, when I am here, incrementally, insisting that she find other work if we continue to see each other with exclusivity. In my opinion, that would solve the problem by not giving her anything up front that I do not routinely spend anyway on salidas in exchange for 1/5 the time, and sometimes with a really disappointing girl that does not hold a candle to my G girl.

Yesterday is a perfect example. She stayed from 3pm to 10pm, I gave her 1500 pesos, and she never went to work. From my perspective that's a huge bargain if you consider time actually having the girl with you. Last night, after she slept for about and hour, we made love...OUT FRICKIN' STANDING!!! and, then, we decided to have dinner. She likes fish, and she told me of a nice place in Bario Antigua. The dishes ordered were outstanding, she ordering shrimp wrapped in bacon with cheese in the middle, five or six of the them the size of your three middle fingers put together. I ordered a fillet with a mild picante sauce, delicious. We went back to the room, did some talking, had a little fun, and she had to leave around 10pm. She is supposed to come back today again, and I will start the process all over again. She will NOT be going in to work. Frankly, I think I have found the way that I can at least initially limit her work exposure, and possibly pursuade her to find something else to enable her to quit altogether. We'll see...

As for WastedG's comments, it is easy to swear off a certain kind of behavior, namely your commitment to a "fresh start." I make the same claim everytime I am safely sitting in my casa without the influence of a HOT babe to influence my desires. My G girl is intoxicating, and I find her influence upon me so far and away better than anything I have found here in five years, that I would not change a thing, nor would I even consider a commitment to do so.

Frankly guys, I have visited so many of these clubs here that I am not particularly impressed with the mongering in Monterrey were I not to have access to the girls that I have personally evalulated and established as worthy of my expenditures, that being only a very, very select few. Nor would I be interested in pursuing them with any different method than what I routinely use.

Honestly, there aren't that many of them, not that many that will, or can, deliver my brand of mongering. My brand of mongering does not compare to massage parlors, door girls, or street girls...that is a totally different scene. In my estimation, those venues do not even qualify in my mind as world class mongering. I don't mean that as a slam to those that enjoy those venues...not at all. But, were I to strictly limit myself to that kind of experience, I would simply not want to return. I would be booking tickets to other venues.

With respect to KenT's comment regarding the girl at Babies...you have to realize KT that my criteria for paying for a salida is very, very selective. The girl has to meet physical criteria, facial criteria, and personality criteria. I felt that the girl did not have that dynamic a personality, and I also noticed as she left my table that she was a little wide. I am very selective in those two areas. She had an attractive face, and my apprehensions about her personality may have just been that she was a little tired. She is still a contender. It's just that I have to cultivate her interest further to determine whether she will appeal to me. What sometimes seems like a bargain is really just a let down in disguise. I felt that with respect to the girl at Babies, that I did not really know her well enough to know whether I would be getting a good experience from her. The cost of a salida, even discounted, is sufficiently high, that I am almost sensitized to it being a sure thing with respect to the ultimate result. So, in that instance, I chose to skip over her that night. I may return this week if my G Girl is unavailable.

But, at least for me, lately, I am finding a mongering experience here that competes on a world class level, and is what I expect, all be it grossly more expensive, significantly more work, and quite possibly exposing me to some danger were the comments said here by mis amigos to be literally true with some bad dudes wanting to target me.

This thing with my G girl is something that's developed beyond even my own expectations. But, none the less, I report on my experiences. If it does not qualify for most as being worthy of commentary here, then I will simply enjoy it and omit any commentary that might relate to her, or compel others to frequent the regular Monterrey Section, or the Section that is now established for "Regular" Members...because, at this juncture with her, I guess I am NOT really mongering. She is, for my part, a "real girlfriend," a comment made by me with all the DUE consideration that Carlos, MJ, WastedG, KenT, etc...have all already articulated and with no delusions on my part as to the potential downside, and the very probable ultimate disappointments in the end.

I appreciate your comments, and I do not mean to sound as though I am discounting them. But, I wonder how many that have their own brand of mongering in mind would consider a change, money not being an object, were I to promote to them my brand of mongering? I wouldn't even ask it of them, other than to offer brotherly advice, which I take all of your comments to be, and appreciate them all individually.

As for me, the only reports you will see, perhaps the rest of my week here, will be reports of my activities with my G girl. The rest of the girls I know are all "trash" in comparison, even from a "mongering only" perspective, and my reports only have "drama" assigned to them based on the ultimate opinions of others as they read my reports, and make that distintion themselves as to whether my exploits are "mongering" or "drama."

Besides, what is one man's drama is a another man's GFE. Saludos :D

Member #3453

08-30-07, 18:15

I am even going so far as to consider not paying her anything. So, you see, I have not really settled on an effective strategy. But, you are correct about one thing, it will be very difficult for her to replace what she is earning there with what she could earn in a normal job.

But, when I bring that up, she acts like it doesn't matter. She keeps coming back to the fact that she started working in the clubs to buy a house, and that she will be ready to do so very soon. She even showed me her bank statement from ING, asking me if it was a reputable company. I told her ING is a world wide 89 billion dollar company. I suspect her pesos will be safe.

The temptation of keepings it to just that, and not continually feeling the need to ho yourself for the furniture, the food, the car, the gas, the electric, etc....and to work twice as hard and long to pay for the normal expenses in life, especially when you have a HOT body, is something that I would probably not have the strength of character to do.

I have thought of all these things...But, for now, I am just paying her as we go, for her time. We'll see how things progress. She is on the way over to meet me right now again.

I am seriously considering bringing her to Obsession, paying the double charges. If none of the girls cared that I left the other day, then I have nothing to lose. Besides, the buffet is better than anything I would eat around here, verdad? See you there...what time???

MJ is commenting on knowing when to pull out before becoming a mark, it doesn't matter if you are or not a regular.

MJ can vouch for this, but you just don't know when your girl will become a mark for a powerful customer.
It happened to me at the Harem, where I was checking one tall hot girl from Veracruz, until one guy just came around and took her away from me.
By taking I mean he always goes on Wednesday and pays her top peso for her company.

Rumors say he is a politician, a member of the police, whatever, but he is a guy with tons of money, meaning power.
Do you think Iam going to tell her "give me equal time".. no sir.
She is totally gone and I know quite well Iam not going to mess with someone I don't know.

Next: USB, you don't know the meaning of paying her to stop working.
For her to leave a secure job, one that is giving her money to maintain a whole family will be equal to lots of pesos.
Getting her out is not paying a one time figure, it means she will be expecting an amount of money on a regular basis that has to be higher in comparison to what she earns easily at the club.

Have you considered all the variables on this?
You've only thought in paying her... not the consequences of paying her.

Mill Just

08-30-07, 22:16

I guess you have to have a wake-up call in order to truly wake up from the world of Mexican stripper illusion. Hopefully, that wake-up call won't be too harsh.

And, again, as long as your happy....

But keep a space open in the back of your mind for what the others here have to say, because we have seen and we KNOW this world that you only flirt with every so often. You may be an experienced world monger, but you are just a kid when it comes to your knowledge of Mexican culture and, more specifically, the Mexican strip club culture. Be careful because you tread on dangerous ground.

Remember, though, that every single chica working in a club, from the top of the top to the lower-tier, has several kind benefactors behind her, trying to make an honest woman out of her. These are men with the same psychological profile as you: kind-hearted, well-intentioned men who come to love these girls. And when the chicas are with each one, they "love" them as well. Feelings get confused and everybody involved gets hurt.

I've even heard of a case in Guadalajara where two of these kind benefactors ran into eachother and one, filled with rage, attempted to take the life of the other. Another case that I know of, in a smaller town close to Morelia, was one where the boyfriend of the stripper stabbed the kind benefactor of his chica because the guy was trying to get her out of the business, thereby, cutting off his meal ticket.

Just as your "g" girl doesn't know the whole truth about you, you don't know the whole truth about her...so tread carefully.

But, again, I guess you just need for this whole story to play out before you'll see what's what. However, I know what'll happen because I've seen your story many, many times and there has never been a happy ending.

Good Luck

I am even going so far as to consider not paying her anything. So, you see, I have not really settled on an effective strategy. But, you are correct about one thing, it will be very difficult for her to replace what she is earning there with what she could earn in a normal job.

But, when I bring that up, she acts like it doesn't matter. She keeps coming back to the fact that she started working in the clubs to buy a house, and that she will be ready to do so very soon. She even showed me her bank statement from ING, asking me if it was a reputable company. I told her ING is a world wide 89 billion dollar company. I suspect her pesos will be safe.

The temptation of keepings it to just that, and not continually feeling the need to ho yourself for the furniture, the food, the car, the gas, the electric, etc....and to work twice as hard and long to pay for the normal expenses in life, especially when you have a HOT body, is something that I would probably not have the strength of character to do.

I have thought of all these things...But, for now, I am just paying her as we go, for her time. We'll see how things progress. She is on the way over to meet me right now again.

I am seriously considering bringing her to Obsession, paying the double charges. If none of the girls cared that I left the other day, then I have nothing to lose. Besides, the buffet is better than anything I would eat around here, verdad? See you there...what time???

Member #3453

08-31-07, 17:09

I agree 100% with the generalities that have been articulated here. Of course, you're conclusions are valid in every sense were they to be generally applied to almost all bar girl circumstances. In this instance with my "G" girl, I do not believe that the generalities are completely applicable. I do think that my G girl is different. I do think there is some legitimacy to it, and that she is a GF. But, I also realize that part of that has to do with having known this girl now for over (2) years, and being actively with her every three weeks for almost a year. We are bound to be closer than most would recommend that I be to her. It is unavoidable. You are going to grow closer emotionally to someone if you see them regularly, in my case almost every three weeks for a week, and if the chemistry exists to ignite passions, which is does.

I have to point out that I have not, nor do I actually plan to, "act," financially, upon my emotions in this case. Most of what I articulate here in these pages is more a pouring out of my feelings, and a wish for things that I know will never be, things that I know, just as you all have pointed out, are impossible to actually pursue in the literal sense. The beauty of intellect is the ability to stop one's self from doing things that are too stupid, meaning that I do not really intend to act on my impulses no matter how much I would like to see her legitimize herself.

However, things that I can act upon that do not influence me adversely, such as my giving my "G" girl a significant amount of exclusivity, and recipricating feelings that I believe are verdad on her part, are things that cost me nothing, provided my intellect restrains me from going too far economically, which, to date, it has. I have nothing but wonderful bargains that have been enjoyed by seeing her. I am financially better off seeing her than doing almost anything else while here in town.

I reach several conclusions about what is going on with my G girl, and I summarize it this way.

First, I believe that my G girl would rather spend time with me than work. Therefore, she arranges her schedule to be with me versus showing up to work, and she stays for a lot of hours for comparatively little money. I don't sense her trying to cut the time shorter and shorter so she can earn money and go do something else. She does not show up and cut out before quiting time, which would be the characteristic bar girl behavior. I see her, instead, usually staying beyond the times that I know she should be hitting the road, thereby making herself late in getting back home, and or even jeapardizing her job to be with me instead. I find her solely initiating sex 20 minutes before she is supposed to be leaving, simply because she wants for fuck one more time before she has to hit the road. In these many instances, I am not intiating anything. I am, for the most part, previously satisfied. But, I believe that she gives me so much sex for two reasons, #1, she wants it, #2 she believes that if I am sore, I will not seek it elsewhere. It is just so blatantly obvious that she is calculating satisfying me to keep me faithful, and to satsify her own urges, that it can be nothing else. No other typical bar girl has that level of commitment for no additional money, period.

I am truly benefiting from this "arrangement." Conversely, if she chose to go on a typical salida, she would be earning at least 1000-1500 pesos each time, and only having to spend 1-1/2 hours to earn virtually the same amount of money. Instead, she chooses to spend sometimes 8-12 hours with me.

This payment allows her to skip work, a job that I know she dislikes having to be at, and it allows her to spend time with me without having to be concerned about not earning a living in the process. She is NOT doing it for the money per se, because she can easily earn the money at her job, and in doing a couple of salidas.

I have to say that I have been with so many girls here in Monterrey over the years that I can very easily gauge the sincerity level of a girl that is out of the ordinary compared to all the rest. My G girl is "atypical" in demonstrating her affections toward me. I sense in her passion, in her frequent initiation of sex, in her frequent demonstratively simple affectionate acts toward me, things that I know, in comparing the other girls, are NOT typical.

She is, indeed, probably a good "provider" in the professional sense. She has all the equipment, the attitude, the intrinsic passion, etc..., but if her demostrative acts toward me are "acted" out, then she is far and away the very best I have ever found in this city. So, if in fact, GFE is my motivation, and she is totally "acting" out her feelings, she is far and away the best choice, bar none.

The point is, as good as I believe she could be on salida with the average guy, her popularity level in the bars does NOT suggest that she is that demonstrative with clients. So, while she is considered "good," she is NOT considered by clients at large to be the "superstar" performer, in the literal sense, that she is with me.

We all have the potential to be superstar performers given the right motivation. I do not see my contributions toward her attitude level rising to the distinction of my being a huge sugar daddy benefactor in her eyes. So, I can only conclude that she has legitimate feelings that make her the superstar performer she is with me. That is hi-bred GFE.

My relationship with her did not start out that way. Our initial meeting was good, but just "good," and not of it's present intensity. My initial meeting with her was not even so memorable as to make me bar fine her more than once. Do you know that after our initial meeting two years ago, I viturally ignored her for well over a year. She had to have one of her girlfriends reintroduce us because she thought I had totally forgotten about her, that I had totally forgotten I had even bar fined her. Her interest level now, and then, is one of legitimacy, and not a client/provider relationship.

I am not naive. I realize what she does in her job. What interests me isn't what she does in her job, but what are her true feelings in the moment with me, and do they translate into hi-bred GFE. We have grown to the point now where our encounters, I believe, for both parties, are totally and completely legitimately felt, and for her part, it shows in her intense performance with me.

So, while some will believe that I want a "Girlfriend" per se, it is really that I prefer the hi-bred GFE, and I achieve it with my "G" girl. The hi-bred GFE is acheivable very easily in other venues such as Asia. It is not out of the ordinary in other venues at all. My problem is, I've become spoiled by having experieced the hi-bred GFE, and I am critical of seeing anything else delivered, especially for 5 times the price in comparison to some other venues.

Many are cautioning me not to get too close to her, or any bar girl. That is good advice, certainly, and I understand and agree with all the reasons. But, it simply isn't that easy when you play the game like I do. The frequency of my seeing my "G" girl, and her own recipricated emotionally expressed attitudes toward me, have escalated what was originally a business arrangement to something more, something that I think of as even surpassing the Hi-Bred GFE, where there really is some emotionally felt legitimacy to our relationship.

A lot of what is being thrown around is symantics GFE, GF, BF, BFE, etc...But, the bottom line is that I am pleased to enjoy an enhanced Hi-Bred GFE from her, maybe to even go so far as to say, a "love affair" experience, one that I would not typically find otherwise had I been bar fining other girls all week. And, furthermore, I have spent less so far this week, only 1500 pesos a day, versus much more in the past running between the clubs, buying drinks, privados, bar fining other girls, etc...maybe as much as 2000-3000 pesos in one typical night.

But, your points are all well taken. I return to the US tomorrow. Nothing will have changed with respect to my bank rolling my G girl. She will go back to her routine, and I to mine. We will both go back to our respective "real" lives, and mainly for the wise reasons already articulated by my friends here in their previous responses.

But, for a short time, each time we see each other, speaking for my part, and I believe for her part as well, we are significantly comforted by our knowing each other.

Mill Just

08-31-07, 21:10

....I do think that my G girl is different... I do think there is some legitimacy to it, and that she is a GF.

Too bad I couldn't make it to Monterrey. I would've made you, Uno, Taste the Rainbow of the Skittle gauntlet. :)

Member #3453

09-01-07, 04:00

Too bad I couldn't make it to Monterrey. I would've made you, Uno, Taste the Rainbow of the Skittle gauntlet. :)

You are always welcome. Sorry you couldn't make it. Here is some more ammunition.

She is what I have been looking for here in Mexico. The consumate date, girlfriend, ho, etc...I couldn't be happier.

I've said this before, but it's like that Eagles song, it goes something like "I've been looking for the daughter of the devil himself, and I've been searching for an angel in white..."

You just can't find in "them," meaning women in general, what we all really want, basically the the gyst of that line in the Eagles song. So, you settle for the next best thing, a HOT ASSED, young girl that makes you feel like she's not a ho, and perhaps even believes she herself is not one, all the while making you believe the illusion is true in reality. That is exactly what I've found, and I intend to hold onto it, giving her preference over all others, especially with the frequency at which she likes to have sex.

I am rubbed raw. She gave me so much sex that I do not even have any desire to venture out of my hotel to any of the clubs now. She had to start for home around 10:30pm, and it's only 11pm now. I have plenty of time to prowel the clubs before I have to return to the hotel for some sleep. But, after having the amount of sex she has given me this week, I simply do not have any desire to even look at one of the girls in the clubs. I couldn't care less.

This has been the absolute best week in MTY that I have ever experienced. I now believe I have established in her a motivator that is a win/win situation for both of us. I pay her to skip work, and she basically shows up for the same amount of time she would have spent at work, gets 1500 pesos, plus dinner, movies, small regalos, etc...She seems like she could not be happier, and she pulls out all the stops to make me believe I am not a client. Perfect GFE in every respect...Am I not accomplishing exactly what I always say I am attempting to do?

Let the Skittle Guantlet begin :D

Mill Just

09-01-07, 06:45

Hey, Uno, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what you just said. I think all of us, who either live here in Mexico or visit often, have our favorites and preferences. Nothing wrong with going with the sure things.

I think where things get sketchy is when you start going into the deep end and talk as though things weren't what they really are: a hooker/john relationship, albeit a very good one. We all know that with familiarity comes better service, but it's just that: a service. Attaching more meaning to something than there is, is a sure-fire way to destroy a good thing.

Take the money factor out, offer her no money and there will be no more GFE from her. Sure, you have a good thing going, but it's still a pay for play adventure..and that prevents it from being anything near a real GF situation.

You are always welcome. Sorry you couldn't make it. Here is some more ammunition.

She is what I have been looking for here in Mexico. The consumate date, girlfriend, ho, etc...I couldn't be happier.

I've said this before, but it's like that Eagles song, it goes something like "I've been looking for the daughter of the devil himself, and I've been searching for an angel in white..."

You just can't find in "them," meaning women in general, what we all really want, basically the the gyst of that line in the Eagles song. So, you settle for the next best thing, a HOT ASSED, young girl that makes you feel like she's not a ho, and perhaps even believes she herself is not one, all the while making you believe the illusion is true in reality. That is exactly what I've found, and I intend to hold onto it, giving her preference over all others, especially with the frequency at which she likes to have sex.

I am rubbed raw. She gave me so much sex that I do not even have any desire to venture out of my hotel to any of the clubs now. She had to start for home around 10:30pm, and it's only 11pm now. I have plenty of time to prowel the clubs before I have to return to the hotel for some sleep. But, after having the amount of sex she has given me this week, I simply do not have any desire to even look at one of the girls in the clubs. I couldn't care less.

This has been the absolute best week in MTY that I have ever experienced. I now believe I have established in her a motivator that is a win/win situation for both of us. I pay her to skip work, and she basically shows up for the same amount of time she would have spent at work, gets 1500 pesos, plus dinner, movies, small regalos, etc...She seems like she could not be happier, and she pulls out all the stops to make me believe I am not a client. Perfect GFE in every respect...Am I not accomplishing exactly what I always say I am attempting to do?

Let the Skittle Guantlet begin :D

Member #3453

09-01-07, 12:28

I am not really paying her anything to be with me, only making up her lost wages because she is absent from work to be with me. I believe there is huge difference between making up her lost wages, and paying her for services rendered. And, as you have indicated, I am dealing with a different mentality than that of a "good" girl. So, I have to strategically consider that she has a different perspective on things than what a girl in a legitimate relationship might have.

I do sense that this is a different dynamic than P4P because she is not playing the typical mercenary, insincere, bar girls games. She is not in advance telling me, "you have to pay X, Y, or Z" to makeup what she loses at work, and then squeezing me to pay for her "services" in addition to that amount.

She is not cutting out on me early, cutting me short at every turn, taking advantage of me by squeezing me at every opportunity for propinas. She is cosiderate of me financially when we are out together. And, I honesly believe she wants to be with me. I think that her feelings are verdad, even though she may have influences that give her a skewed view of life through the eyes of a bar girl.

Plus, honestly, it may take some time for me to infuence her sufficiently as to change her points of view about life in general, perspectives that may be slightly more bar girl oriented now than good girl oriented. But, as you said, it may just be that I am sensing in her the influences of Mexican society, and an attitude that prevails amongst all of Mexican society in her socio economc strata, one that I am ill-equiped to recognize fully as a visiting Gringo. That taken into consideration...

The way I see it, I am paying nothing for "services." I am merely paying the amount she would need to compensate her for time lost at work. I would have to do that no matter what job she worked at in order to expect her to spend all day with me for the entire week and skip work.

It is true that I have never fully tested her resolve, asking her to come see me before work, and paid her nothing, thereby not really having to makeup for her time lost. I usually pay her something to be with me lest the depth of my sincerity be in question.

In other words, if I truly care about her, why would I demonstrate to her that I do not care by paying her nothing? I am trying to maintain and environment that is conducive to GFE. So, I have always paid her something out of an sense of benevolent obligation, and to demonstrate that I am also verdad with her. If I were to take advantage of her, I would be sending her the wrong message.

Most of them would believe a Gringo to have money, and that to stiff them by not paying anything, would blow the validity of my claims to her that I do care for her, which would demonstrate my mercenary insincerity. Plus, by paying her something to offset her loses by being with me, I am simulateously keeping her out of the bar. It is, for me, a win/win situation by paying her a stipend amount to compensate her for time lost.

She leaves the amount entirely up to me. She has no assurances that I will pay her anything close to what she would need to break even by being absent from work...she accepts that I will take care of her on faith alone. I have, for example, paid her as little in the past as 500 pesos when she spends 4-5 hours with me, and as much as 2000 pesos for her time with me that exceeds 8-12 hours or is todo la noche. It is up to me. I usually pay her based on time spent so she doesn't lose out at work for sure.

Plus, she jeapardizes her job in the bar by not showing up. If the bar were to find out that she was with me and skipping work all week, they would automatically probably fire her. They would believe that as she conspiring to cut into their business.

So, while I think it would be an interesting test to see just how far I can go in stiffing her, in order to gauge the depth of her sincerity, I have chosen to play the situation as I do. I do not want to lose an absolutely great thing, or send her the wrong message, a message that could burst our bubble by demonstrating my cheapness toward her, the "rich" Gringo attempting to "take" advantage of the poor bar girl. It just wouldn't serve me well in demonstrating my GFE affections for her. It just isn't worth the risk to stiff her when she is so good to me in every other way. Frankly, I would treat my loved ones back home no differently lest they believe I do not care about them.

I would like to know if she will hang around with me for nothing. I personally think she would, that she would make time for me, but I also know that her time would be significantly limited. As it is now, she can justify that spending time with me is not jeapardizing her family by being irresponsible toward her job responsibilities. I compensate her for that, and she does not have to worry about spending time with me irresponsibly.

But, I also know that the realities of life, and specifically her circumstances with respect to family responsibility, the totality of which will simply not permit her to skip a week's worth of work with no compensation, keep her needing my benevolence. And, rather than have a bad time in MTY, I just choose to pay the freight. If I get tired of her, which is very unlikely given the scope of her attitude toward me in comparison to what I know is otherwise available for 1/5 the time, or put another way, at (5) times the cost, then I might just try the "no money" angle to see just how verdad all this affection really is.

She demands that if she is to be faithful to me, I am also to be totally faithful to her. She does express jealousy at the thought that I might be seeing other girls. So, if I do see other girls, it has to be completely under the radar. Because, were she to find out, I would blow the entire situation.

When I consider whether I would be able to orchestrate this same arrangement with other bar girls in town, I conclude that there is simply NO WAY. If I were to suggest such a thing to any of them, they would laugh me out of the bar, telling me I am totally dilusional.

They would simply never agree to spending hours on end merely for the hourly compensation that permits them to skip work. She is a HOT girl, and she is fully capable of earing 1500 pesos for 1-1/2 hours of her time on salida, if not more. She is not a skag, and dependent on the benevolent acts of second tier clients, quite the opposite. She is considered, as Carlos indicated previously, one of the very best in the bar. Her attitude and willingness in comparison to all the other bar girls here is so out of the ordinary toward me that I can not help but conclude that her sincerity is real.

That is why I say that mine is not a typical P4P circumstance with my G girl, and that the money component, while important for obvious previously articulated reasons, is not the reason and sole motivator for her affections.

Thanks to all for allowing me to spew forth. It help cathartically to sort through the logic of my strategy. You partculation is always welcome and appreciated, even if we sometimes politely disagree.

Hey, Uno, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what you just said. I think all of us, who either live here in Mexico or visit often, have our favorites and preferences. Nothing wrong with going with the sure things.

I think where things get sketchy is when you start going into the deep end and talk as though things weren't what they really are: a hooker/john relationship, albeit a very good one. We all know that with familiarity comes better service, but it's just that: a service. Attaching more meaning to something than there is, is a sure-fire way to destroy a good thing.

Take the money factor out, offer her no money and there will be no more GFE from her. Sure, you have a good thing going, but it's still a pay for play adventure..and that prevents it from being anything near a real GF situation.

MonterreyDude

09-01-07, 17:50

USB says: "I am not really paying her anything to be with me, only making up her lost wages because she is absent from work to be with me."

My friend, I have just read one of your weirdest post ever... you are making a incredible effort to hide the truth from yourself and it is plainly visible in plain writting.

If there has been a monetary transaction between a consumated hooker, you of course are buying her services.
You are considering yourself free of guilt cause you are not paying directly for sex, but you are buying her time and sex IS on the equation whether you deny it or not.

Your comments, analisis and conclusions are worthy of an amateur that has fallen prey to a veteran ho vent on squeezing money from the unwary, not from a man that is a full veteran of the streets and clubs of Monterrey.

Let me tell you one thing, you are not the only man on Earth that has paid "compansation time" to a working girl just to have the pleasure of her company.

Now that you are at home, can you sit down and think about all this stuff that is going on?
You have found and incredible girl that is unconditionaly with you during your stays but you are acting plain wrong for a man that is used by now to be surrounded by girls asking for money in more ways than one can think.

Please take in consideration the following:

1. G-girl is a hooker
2. G-girl will be working this afternoon
3. You are having tons of fun with her when you are in town.
4. You are giving her money.
5. You are denying a truth.
6. You are not Jesus the Savior nor do you have his redentor powers to save her.
7. Your thought process on the G-girl situation is giving you an unnecesarry existentialist dilema.
8. Next time you come back, have fun with her.
9. Don't think about anything else, cause you don't need to.
10. Nothing more....

I am not really paying her anything to be with me, only making up her lost wages because she is absent from work to be with me. I believe there is huge difference between making up her lost wages, and paying her for services rendered. And, as you have indicated, I am dealing with a different mentality than that of a "good" girl. So, I have to strategically consider that she has a different perspective on things than what a girl in a legitimate relationship might have.

I do sense that this is a different dynamic than P4P because she is not playing the typical mercenary, insincere, bar girls games. She is not in advance telling me, "you have to pay X, Y, or Z" to makeup what she loses at work, and then squeezing me to pay for her "services" in addition to that amount.

She is not cutting out on me early, cutting me short at every turn, taking advantage of me by squeezing me at every opportunity for propinas. She is cosiderate of me financially when we are out together. And, I honesly believe she wants to be with me. I think that her feelings are verdad, even though she may have influences that give her a skewed view of life through the eyes of a bar girl.

Plus, honestly, it may take some time for me to infuence her sufficiently as to change her points of view about life in general, perspectives that may be slightly more bar girl oriented now than good girl oriented. But, as you said, it may just be that I am sensing in her the influences of Mexican society, and an attitude that prevails amongst all of Mexican society in her socio economc strata, one that I am ill-equiped to recognize fully as a visiting Gringo. That taken into consideration...

The way I see it, I am paying nothing for "services." I am merely paying the amount she would need to compensate her for time lost at work. I would have to do that no matter what job she worked at in order to expect her to spend all day with me for the entire week and skip work.

It is true that I have never fully tested her resolve, asking her to come see me before work, and paid her nothing, thereby not really having to makeup for her time lost. I usually pay her something to be with me lest the depth of my sincerity be in question.

In other words, if I truly care about her, why would I demonstrate to her that I do not care by paying her nothing? I am trying to maintain and environment that is conducive to GFE. So, I have always paid her something out of an sense of benevolent obligation, and to demonstrate that I am also verdad with her. If I were to take advantage of her, I would be sending her the wrong message.

Most of them would believe a Gringo to have money, and that to stiff them by not paying anything, would blow the validity of my claims to her that I do care for her, which would demonstrate my mercenary insincerity. Plus, by paying her something to offset her loses by being with me, I am simulateously keeping her out of the bar. It is, for me, a win/win situation by paying her a stipend amount to compensate her for time lost.

She leaves the amount entirely up to me. She has no assurances that I will pay her anything close to what she would need to break even by being absent from work...she accepts that I will take care of her on faith alone. I have, for example, paid her as little in the past as 500 pesos when she spends 4-5 hours with me, and as much as 2000 pesos for her time with me that exceeds 8-12 hours or is todo la noche. It is up to me. I usually pay her based on time spent so she doesn't lose out at work for sure.

Plus, she jeapardizes her job in the bar by not showing up. If the bar were to find out that she was with me and skipping work all week, they would automatically probably fire her. They would believe that as she conspiring to cut into their business.

So, while I think it would be an interesting test to see just how far I can go in stiffing her, in order to gauge the depth of her sincerity, I have chosen to play the situation as I do. I do not want to lose an absolutely great thing, or send her the wrong message, a message that could burst our bubble by demonstrating my cheapness toward her, the "rich" Gringo attempting to "take" advantage of the poor bar girl. It just wouldn't serve me well in demonstrating my GFE affections for her. It just isn't worth the risk to stiff her when she is so good to me in every other way. Frankly, I would treat my loved ones back home no differently lest they believe I do not care about them.

I would like to know if she will hang around with me for nothing. I personally think she would, that she would make time for me, but I also know that her time would be significantly limited. As it is now, she can justify that spending time with me is not jeapardizing her family by being irresponsible toward her job responsibilities. I compensate her for that, and she does not have to worry about spending time with me irresponsibly.

But, I also know that the realities of life, and specifically her circumstances with respect to family responsibility, the totality of which will simply not permit her to skip a week's worth of work with no compensation, keep her needing my benevolence. And, rather than have a bad time in MTY, I just choose to pay the freight. If I get tired of her, which is very unlikely given the scope of her attitude toward me in comparison to what I know is otherwise available for 1/5 the time, or put another way, at (5) times the cost, then I might just try the "no money" angle to see just how verdad all this affection really is.

She demands that if she is to be faithful to me, I am also to be totally faithful to her. She does express jealousy at the thought that I might be seeing other girls. So, if I do see other girls, it has to be completely under the radar. Because, were she to find out, I would blow the entire situation.

When I consider whether I would be able to orchestrate this same arrangement with other bar girls in town, I conclude that there is simply NO WAY. If I were to suggest such a thing to any of them, they would laugh me out of the bar, telling me I am totally dilusional.

They would simply never agree to spending hours on end merely for the hourly compensation that permits them to skip work. She is a HOT girl, and she is fully capable of earing 1500 pesos for 1-1/2 hours of her time on salida, if not more. She is not a skag, and dependent on the benevolent acts of second tier clients, quite the opposite. She is considered, as Carlos indicated previously, one of the very best in the bar. Her attitude and willingness in comparison to all the other bar girls here is so out of the ordinary toward me that I can not help but conclude that her sincerity is real.

That is why I say that mine is not a typical P4P circumstance with my G girl, and that the money component, while important for obvious previously articulated reasons, is not the reason and sole motivator for her affections.

Thanks to all for allowing me to spew forth. It help cathartically to sort through the logic of my strategy. You partculation is always welcome and appreciated, even if we sometimes politely disagree.

Precocious One

09-01-07, 19:04

Ken Tucky

09-02-07, 14:53

Member #3453

09-02-07, 15:57

I am not naive about my G girl's job. It makes no difference that she is or is or is not a hooker. Frankly, my seeing a hooker with a GFE context, is my only option. I have no desire to be misleading a "good" girl, thereby giving her hopes and dreams. That would not be right, and I would feel awful doing such a thing.

Frankly, I feel guilty enough misleading my G girl for fear that her articulated hopes and dreams are in fact possibly valid. But, I feel that I am, if she is a big "hooker" and all, which she is, entitled to mislead her for GFE effect if I choose to.

And, you guys that know her, should not believe me to be disengenous with her, if in fact, you believe in your heart of hearts that she is only a big disengenous hooker toward me, and that I am merely just another "John" to her. My lies to her about me should make absolutely no difference.

My only option is to romance a hooker, attempt to develop some legit feelings for her, and from her, and to enjoy that scenario. I simply don't want a "good girl," I want a "hooker girl" with legitimate feelings for me. I think I found her.

Do you mean to say that you find that impossible? Do you know how many bar girls in Asia fall literally head over heals in love with their benefactors. It is common, common, common, just as common as those that use their benefactors and have several them all on the pad at once. My point is, when dealing with human emotion and chemistry, just because she is a hooker, doesn't mean she is void of emotion. To believe that is to limit your own potential for GFE perfection.

It is a given that she does what she does. I never said that she doesn't do what she does for money, or that I am somehow in denial about the way she earns money. I know what she does for money. People do all kinds of "bad" things for money, things that are far worse, not only morally, and ethically, but also criminally.

I have had direct contact with some very bad-assed individuals in my lifetime...those of you that know me well, understand the validity of that statement, and the scope of my background now for over 30 years. Most of you that do not know me directly, do not fully comprehend the scope of my experiences with "bad," disengenous, liars..criminals, some extremely violent, accomplished con men, many of them with signficant game.

So, to me, she is not the worst thing to crawl upon the face of the earth. I will say that even those individuals serving time in an institution, while having done some very bad things in life, are usually pretty likeable as individuals. It is one of the mysteries of life. How some that are so intrinsically bad, can be so likeble. So, to assume that a hooker is incapable of legitimate feelings is ridiculous. It is to assume they are not human simply because they are good liars.

I am not suggesting that by giving her money to skip work that I am somehow absolving myself of paying a hooker, and negating my guilt. That is not what I seek. I merely seek the seemingly legitimate feelings that I get from her. It is immaterial to me morally that she is a hooker. I would prefer that she not hook as long as I am seeing her. But, it is for my own selfish reasons. But, that doesn't really change what she is, it only changes what she does for now, while I am seeing her.

Because, as a hooker, she agrees through her proxy, as a condition of her job, to accept such possibilities, that I am lying to her. I may lie to her with respect to my circumstances in life, but I am not lying to her about how I feel about her. I assume that the same could be said with respect to her feelings toward me as well. She may be lying to me about hooking, but that doesn't necessarily mean she is lying in everything she says, just as I am not lying to her about everything I say. The fact that seeing me is a source of income for her really has nothing to do with what she may truly feel....or not.

The fact that she provides mechanical release in exchange for money has absolutely nothing to do with her feelings as a person, or with the scope of feelings that may be legitimate. I suppose you one can conclude that they are all consumate con-women, accomplished liars one and all. Of course, they are accomplished liars. I have dealt with accomplished liars my entire life. It takes one to know one perhaps. I do not typically conduct myself that way in my real life, but with respect to dealing with hookers, adversaries, and bad people, I am as accomplished as they.

Furthermore, with respect to how some describe her in PMs to me, one can not simultaneously call her a coniving, lying, deceiful hooker, one that has no apprehensions at using whatever means are necessary to achieve her wicked hooker ends, and also, in the same breath, describe her as kind, benevolent, and caring toward me, exclusively toward me, by not taking advantage of me, but giving of herself far and above the norm, without acknowledging that there is something more to the relationship. Because, logically, if one accepts that she is a coniving, disengenous hooker, void of emotion, totally disengenous in her treatment of clients as sources of income only, then just how do you explain her benevolently agreeing to go with me literaly for peanuts, and not attempting to take advantage of me. The two lines of thought do not make collective, logical sense...

But, regardless of the truth with regard to her legitimate feelings, it really doesn't matter because she delivers the goods better than any other alternative in Monterrey. I have the direct experience with hundreds of MTY girls to gauge that potential. So, whether her feelings are in fact legit or not is immaterial provided I believe they are legit, and I do.

Point being...if she is legit, great, if not, great. Because, there is nowhere for me to go with our relationship. It is the best that it will ever be. Well, I suppose I could hope for absolute freebies, but why risk it. She is giving me exactly what I want. My conclusions about paying her, not paying her, etc...it is all so immaterial and a matter of symantics and conjecture on my part. We all "pay" our wives and legitmate close girlfriends in some way, right??? Anyone who thinks otherwise is truly dilusional and dreaming.

She is either legit in her feelings for me, or one of the best accomplished liars I have every met. Either way, I win. I can not lose.

1. G-girl is a hooker

2. G-girl will be working this afternoon

3. There is no other reason to go any further with this discussion.

Now, if that doesn't sum it all up let me add:

4. G-girl will probably be inserting another man's co_k into either her mouth or vagi_a for money within the next 24 hours. And, consequently, multiples thereafter.

USB. You need a non-pro GF. It is that simple. And with a monthly stipend of $1200/month, you will have absolutley NO problem finding one on the beautiful streets of Monterrey, regardless of what you may believe or have been led to believe.

El Cabron 007

09-02-07, 18:15

Bob, I forgot to tell you ... Thursday night when I was at Infinito real late .. your angry girl, so sweet and sexy, sat with me to keep her warm. She was freezing cold. All of a sudden, she says your name in a question form. She explains that she was disappointed ... She is hurt and feels betrayed ... so I dared and asked why, she explain that you gave cookies to all the girl in the club but not her.

Now hear this, she asked 'me' to get her some cookies from you but not to tell you... OK? You did not hear this from me. If she finds out I told you, she will never trust me again and tell me stuff about you.

So there, now you know.

Wasted

Member #3453

09-02-07, 18:26

I don't understand why she, if it is true, feels that I am trying to hurt her, or that I am angry with her. I am not. It is she that will not talk to me. I will talk to her any time. I still love her dearly. She knows that...as you said, so sweet, sexy....so.....uhhhh, ANGRY!!!! :-))))

I just about died of a coughing fit, and grinning ear to ear, trying to get over this damned cold...thinking of the prospect that she is bringing my name up to you guys all the time. What gives???

Tell her I want to talk to her, but to please just tell her to forgive me for once. I will treat her with respect, and I promise not to insult her anymore.

Gotta go...it's my 31 year anniversary....

Oh boy.....cough, cough, cough :-)))))))))))))))))))))

Bob, I forgot to tell you ... Thursday night when I was at Infinito real late .. your angry girl, so sweet and sexy, sat with me to keep her warm. She was freezing cold. All of a sudden, she says your name in a question form. She explains that she was disappointed ... She is hurt and feels betrayed ... so I dared and asked why, she explain that you gave cookies to all the girl in the club but not her.

Now hear this, she asked 'me' to get her some cookies from you but not to tell you... OK? You did not hear this from me. If she finds out I told you, she will never trust me again and tell me stuff about you.

So there, now you know.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

09-02-07, 18:32

Man, sorry Bob, I did not mean to take you back to the good old memories of a hot 'curnchy' C-girl. I can not tell her anything since I promised her I would not tell you what she said.

But I'll talk to her casually without letting her know that you and I talked about her.

I don't understand why she, if it is true, feels that I am trying to hurt her, or that I am angry with her. I am not. It is she that will not talk to me. I will talk to her any time. I still lover her dearly. She knows that...as you said, so sweet, sexy....so.....uhhhh, ANGRY!!!! :-))))

I just about died of a couphing fit trying to get over this damned cold...thinking of the prospect that she is bringing my name up to you guys all the time. What gives???

Tell her I want to talk to her, but to please just tell her to forgive me for once. I will treat her with respect, and I promise not to insult her anymore.

El Cabron 007

09-02-07, 20:32

How can I dump my regular girl? It is known in the club that this girl is my regular or even the other way around that I am ‘her’ regular. She’s too comfortable with the fact that she will be leaving with me. Although I play around with my other girls, it is expected of ‘us’ to at least walk out of the club together. She has taken on the title of my 1st wife.

So I started showing interest in a few new girls and some regulars that I’ve eyed before. And I did. I started taking some out but from the night shift when she’s already gone. To say that she did not know about them ... not that I cared but this will come to play here.

Friday night, I spotted one of the cutest and pretties and hottest girl that I’ve had my eyes on for a year now. She welcomed me with open arms and played her role real well making it clear that she is welling to put up fight with the other girls. I had her set with me for a drink while my regular joined. Carlos warned me that I am now playing with fire. I sure was.

Told this new girl to get dressed cause I’m taking her out. When she came back down ready to leave, my regular gave me this “what are you doing” look. I could not be a bastard so I asked if she wanted to join. She immediately accepted.

Now all the while, many girls stopped by and asked what the hell I was doing taking this new girl out. I did not even think of any reason or that I had to explain myself. I simply was not thinking of anything besides taking this new hot hot hot girl back with me. And off we were.

Back at the hotel, my regular fell asleep. The new girls asked me to put a towel on her head . ha ha .. This new hot hot hot girls goes to town. Needless to say, she was awesome.

P stayed the night while the new girl left after 4 hours.

The next day, the agreement was that I would take the new girl alone. She asked to be alone with me. She wanted privacy … sure … I like privacy.

So I am now in the club and the plan is to take the new girl out and leave my regular behind. AND THAT’S WHEN IT HIT ME.

I guess when the girls were asking me ‘what about P?’, they did not mean to ask about my feeling for her, they were asking about how P is going to feel if I left with another girl and not take P as we always did… is that it? Could they be worried about me dumping P? Is that what it looks like? This is the day I make it clear to the club, or the club will realize, or that my regular will see that I am now announcing the end of her?

Is Wasted dumping P? After all this time?

I dumped S before for P. I dumped P for X and now that X is gone from this club, P was is happy to re-claim her place. She never complained before but is now starting to show jealousy and has become territorial. Deep inside, I was not comfortable with this new behavior and I wanted out or at least have my freedom back.

So the question is: How does it feel to be dumped? Even if you’re a hooker? How does it feel when your regular customer, client, friend or whatever you want to call it. How does it feel if he dumps you openly by when Wasted walks out with a new girl her leaving you behind? Is it my imagination or is it really like it happens in the movies? All of a sudden, you are dumped in front of all your friends?

P was on stage during presentation and I am about to make the deal with the new girl. Imagine this: The new girl comes down all dressed to go out and we leave together. P is on stage with all her friends. Wasted is walking out with the new hot girl. P is left behind, on stage, with all her friends looking. Everyone in the club knows it now. Wasted has just dumped you.

I either woke up or I was too crazy. I could not do it. I did not have the heart to do this to P. I imagined P saying to me “What are you doing to me? At least make it look like I am going with you and I’ll go somewhere else, but please do not dump me like this.” Don’t you think this is at least how she would be thinking? Or am I crazy?

I decided not to take anyone out and just enjoyed the couple girls I was with. Some girls came by and asked where I was taking P tonight. I said I had no plans. I guess they carried the message back to her so she just walked out after her shift and I waved goodbye. She knew I was not taking her out but I also did not take anyone else. She asked if she could call me later on. Sure, call me.

I stayed late and just enjoyed the show. I had no intentions of seeing anyone. Turned down a wave of requests from many night shift girls to take them back with me, again. I was not in the mood.

So, again, does this all make sense or am I crazy? Or even worse, am I becoming a Bob? Why are all the girls telling me not to take this new girl out? They don’t like her? They are worried about me? Or are they simply worried about their friend P, my regular? I know they all like her. They always tell me, or remind me, about P whenever I start to show interest in other girls. And P has always accepted my games knowing that at the end of the day, she’s the one going home with me.

Wasted & Confused.

Member #3453

09-02-07, 22:34

how can i dump my regular girl?

wow, your report almost rivals one of my own. people will think that you are me under a different screen name. to coin a phrase, "have you lost your marbles?" what are you trying to do, de-throne me as the caring and gullible gringo at large?

well, first, let us begin by saying you are finally starting to question what bar girl society is all about. :d that is the first step to total enlightenment.

you are finally starting to understand that just because they are hookers does not mean they do not have feelings, emotions, egos, etc...they are human beings, and some of them are sweet girls inside, girls that do bad things to earn a living, and thats it. there is no better person inside than my g girl. if you only knew the details of her commitment to her family, her sense of obligation to what is right, and more importantly, to what is important in life, you would be amazed at her benevolent purety on alternate fronts.

it doesn't mean that because they do some bad things to earn a living that they don't have feelings, or that they are bad people in general, nor does it mean that they are to be abused through our actions as their clients. i know some really "bad" people. believe me, she is not one of them. fact is, some of her benevolent deeds make some "good" people i know seem mediocre.

many will disagree with me interpretations of things. and call my comments cocky. i realize that. but, honestly, with all due respect, they do not understand that all these girls are women deep inside, and to varying degrees more or less hardened as a result of their vocation in life. many mongers simply do not understand what motivates them beyond the delivery of just "good" service, or "great" service, to heartfelt, "i want to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you" service.

no, to go a step further, not to "i want to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you service," but "i want to make love to you." once you achieve this distinction, there is no service aspect to it. great service comes naturally.

when a women wants to really make love to you, the service takes care of itself. so, i let everybody think whatever they choose. it doesn't matter to me. i am totally and completely satisfied. afterall, i have the girl going with me for 8-12 hours, all for 1500 pesos. when "you," meaning the skeptical readers, are all able to claim those achievements, i will listen. i am ready to hear the first trip report that tells the same story. i have yet to see one here. i have read them on other boards, and personally know some of the guys that are achieving these same kinds of results, reports that are originating from guys that mostly frequent other venues. mexico is a hard sell. but, it is achievable.

listen, why do you think i am so concerned about the feelings for my g girl? it is because i know that there is status in actually being regularly bar fined, and i mean regularly bar fined by one guy, one that they can claim is actually, really, enamored with them for real, one that wants to be with them, to be their friend, who shows in many ways that he actually cares about them beyond the obvious. there is huge status in that. believe me, it is not common. i have sincere and legit feelings from my g girl because she is sincere with me.

i will not tread on her reputation in the bar as my girl. if i choose to go with another girl, i will do it outside her bar, and at times that will not conflict with our seeing each other. i will not insult the sincerity of the "service" she provides me by even letting her know i see another girl....never, not as long as she is holding up her end. and, she just keeps getting better and better, so there is really no end in site.

she delivers the very pinnacle of gfe, and i will not punish her for that kind of performance by insulting her ego in her bar. so, i maintain her status for her, and always will. there are plenty of other girls in the other bars that i can find. i don't need to stomp on her ego within her own bar just to attempt to find a questionable replacement. i would risk jumping from literal heaven into the burning abis otherwise.

fact is, i would have done the same for angry girl, protected her status within the bar, but she chose to dump me. end of story for her. besides, she was good, but no comparison to my g girl. i actually came away from the angry girl fiasco smelling like a rose. i got a girl that is five times the bar fine that angry girl proved to be, and i loved her service.

however, wastedg, i would appreciate your talking to angry girl for me. i would like her to know that i care for her, and that i would like to be friends with her. but, that she has always acted like i no longer exist. when she became so angry with me, i stopped trying to talk to her because i promised i would not bother her again. i do not speak to her because i made many attempts to apologize to her, only to be rebuffed by her. i finally told her i would not bother her again. the ball is in her court. i sincerely wish she would pick it up, not because i am interested in rekindling anything with her, but because i do not like having this dynamic between me another person that i have once been so close to. i hope she thinks it over. frankly, i don't know if you could possibly get into this kind of depth with her due to the language difficulties, but it is the way i see it. i hope she changes her mind about me. but, regardless, she holds no position with respect to my g girl. unless the g girl thing goes away, i would not ever even remotely consider anything with angry girl again, not that she is even imagining it.

in an upcoming report...

i will soon relate my g girls "continuous improvement" program. it manifested itself after i showed her a bunch of the pictures of my girls in asia, indonesia, and the philipines. i relayed to her some stories about my thai girl, how she walked the airport in bangkok on the day that she believed i would be arriving in thailand, but not knowing the hour, or even that i was going to arrive for sure on that exact date. i told her how my thai girl had taken the bus up to bangkok from pattaya, 3 hours each way, walked the airport for six hours waiting for me to "possibly" arrive, only to finally find me on the lower level as i was preparing to get into a taxi and miss her altogether. i relayed to her the commitments of the asian girls, and how they spend days on end, movies, dinners, all the sex you can stand, and all for 200-300 pesos per day, 24 hours a day. and, how to this day, five years later, i am still receiving regular text messages from her in thailand.

the result of having told her that story, among others, and having showed her the pictures of her competition in asia, unfolds soon to demonstrate the depth of my g girl's commitment to making sure she is always my "best," and preferably, "only" girl, certainly in mty, if not the world. that is her desire. i tell her regularly that she is the best girl i have ever found worldwide. it is true. but, in relating this story to her, i think she may have sensed a nastalgic reminiscence in my voice. she would not let that pass another day without making good on some of her own changes, changes that i see as for the better.

but, to prove a point, that is how i send her messages, and not through embarassing her in her bar. i don't mean that to sound critical of anyone elses methods. all i know is that my methods work well for me. i am the happiest i have ever been in mexico. i am as happy as i have been previously in asia...ask anyone who knows both venues well, and that is saying a hell of a lot.

Precocious One

09-03-07, 00:01

"Listen, why do you think I am so concerned about the feelings for my G girl? It is because I know that there is status in actually being regularly bar fined, and I mean regularly bar fined by one guy, one that they can claim is actually, really, enamored with them for real, one that wants to be with them, to be their friend, who shows in many ways that he actually cares about them beyond the obvious. There is huge status in that. Believe me, it is not common. I have sincere and legit feelings from my G girl because she is sincere with me.

I will not tread on her reputation in the bar as my girl. If I choose to go with another girl, I will do it outside her bar, and at times that will not conflict with our seeing each other. I will not insult the sincerity of the "service" she provides me by even letting her know I see another girl....never, not as long as she is holding up her end. And, she just keeps getting better and better, so there is really no end in site."

In my opinion, you are entirely correct. I actually asked the girl I frequent at Tangalay why she was only going to charge me 600 pesos for five hours when, as you know, she is in somewhat high demand. She replied that she appreciated my loyalty to her and was, in her own way, paying me back. Whenever I would go to Tangalay, all the other girls apparantly knew that I was her client as I would only seek her out. When she temporarily left Tangalay to open the new club, three girls came up to me that I have never spoken to before, two of which I have never even noticed, to tell me the new club where she now worked at. That to me was very flattering. No ulterior motives, just trying to help me out in locating the girl that I was obviously enamored with. The same with your "A" girl at Pasarales. I would only frequent her and if she were not working, I would simply leave. Needless to say, I wholeheartedly agree that these girls appreciate our loyalty in addition to our money. Their status is not only increased because we are another client, but a rich American client. Only a complete fool would not believe that.

Member #3453

09-03-07, 01:24

In my opinion, you are entirely correct.

I was in Tangalay one night last week with Carlos, and actually pointed your girl out to him. It turns out that he knows her from her days at the Matehuala. According to him, she is extremely popular, a girl with a long history in MTY, one that is extremely good. So, you have good taste. Coming from Carlos, that is quite a compliment indeed. He even went over to say hello to her.

For me, it goes beyond just the respect I give my G girl for her abilities. I am giving her a gift of my exclusivity because of the "gifts" she give me, the little things that exceed GFE, exceed even a hi-bred GFE. I could never betray her that way by disrespecting her in her job environment. She has simply been too good to me. If she choses to betray her commitments to me outside the bar, then I am saddened but not entirely shocked or surprised, just triste. I am not naive, just hopeful that she will not.

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 01:25

The C-girl, a "hot 'crunchy" girl???
She's way past veteran... not even a TSE (Total **** Experience)....

Man, sorry Bob, I did not mean to take you back to the good old memories of a hot 'curnchy' C-girl. I can not tell her anything since I promised her I would not tell you what she said.

But I'll talk to her casually without letting her know that you and I talked about her.

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 01:30

I didn't say that she was a good girl as in nice.
I said she was good as good in her job...
And you forgot to mention: married.

I was in Tangalay one night last week with Carlos, and actually pointed your girl out to him. It turns out that he knows her from her days at the Matehuala. According to him, she is extremely popular, a girl with a long history in MTY, one that is extremely good. So, you have good taste. Coming from Carlos, that is quite a compliment indeed. He even went over to say hello to her.

For me, it goes beyond just the respect I give my G girl for her abilities. I am giving her a gift of my exclusivity because of the "gifts" she give me, the little things that exceed GFE, exceed even a hi-bred GFE. I could never betray her that way by disrespecting her in her job environment. She has simply been too good to me. If she choses to betray her commitments to me outside the bar, then I am saddened but not entirely shocked or surprised, just triste. I am not naive, just hopeful that she will not.

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 01:38

usb says: "however, wastedg, i would appreciate your talking to angry girl for me. i would like her to know that i care for her"

no!!!!
you don't involve third parties in hooker discussions!
never ever!
either you soldier up and confront her, or let her be.

haven't you seen them just stare at you when you talk to them about other girls, stuff going on at the club?
haven' you ever detected that vacant look that means "i could be doing privados and instead am hearing bs" ????

to the girls it is meaningless to tell them "oh, usb cares for you..."

like mr l's girl comes over and asks for him... the conversation only lasted 5 seconds before she was on her way.

they don't care about the messenger, they want the real deal, like they are used to in the club.
haven't you seen that they preffer cutting to the chase and start earning money for that chat, even if it's important to them.

come on usb... the c girl is near history, and it can be mended.
i you want her back, fight your own battle for her.

let me tell you that at the infinito, the proverbial messenger can be shot!!!

wow, your report almost rivals one of my own. people will think that you are me under a different screen name. to coin a phrase, "have you lost your marbles?" what are you trying to do, de-throne me as the caring and gullible gringo at large?

well, first, let us begin by saying you are finally starting to question what bar girl society is all about. :d that is the first step to total enlightenment.

you are finally starting to understand that just because they are hookers does not mean they do not have feelings, emotions, egos, etc...they are human beings, and some of them are sweet girls inside, girls that do bad things to earn a living, and thats it. there is no better person inside than my g girl. if you only knew the details of her commitment to her family, her sense of obligation to what is right, and more importantly, to what is important in life, you would be amazed at her benevolent purety on alternate fronts.

it doesn't mean that because they do some bad things to earn a living that they don't have feelings, or that they are bad people in general, nor does it mean that they are to be abused through our actions as their clients. i know some really "bad" people. believe me, she is not one of them. fact is, some of her benevolent deeds make some "good" people i know seem mediocre.

many will disagree with me interpretations of things. and call my comments cocky. i realize that. but, honestly, with all due respect, they do not understand that all these girls are women deep inside, and to varying degrees more or less hardened as a result of their vocation in life. many mongers simply do not understand what motivates them beyond the delivery of just "good" service, or "great" service, to heartfelt, "i want to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you" service.

no, to go a step further, not to "i want to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you service," but "i want to make love to you." once you achieve this distinction, there is no service aspect to it. great service comes naturally.

when a women wants to really make love to you, the service takes care of itself. so, i let everybody think whatever they choose. it doesn't matter to me. i am totally and completely satisfied. afterall, i have the girl going with me for 8-12 hours, all for 1500 pesos. when "you," meaning the skeptical readers, are all able to claim those achievements, i will listen. i am ready to hear the first trip report that tells the same story. i have yet to see one here. i have read them on other boards, and personally know some of the guys that are achieving these same kinds of results, reports that are originating from guys that mostly frequent other venues. mexico is a hard sell. but, it is achievable.

listen, why do you think i am so concerned about the feelings for my g girl? it is because i know that there is status in actually being regularly bar fined, and i mean regularly bar fined by one guy, one that they can claim is actually, really, enamored with them for real, one that wants to be with them, to be their friend, who shows in many ways that he actually cares about them beyond the obvious. there is huge status in that. believe me, it is not common. i have sincere and legit feelings from my g girl because she is sincere with me.

i will not tread on her reputation in the bar as my girl. if i choose to go with another girl, i will do it outside her bar, and at times that will not conflict with our seeing each other. i will not insult the sincerity of the "service" she provides me by even letting her know i see another girl....never, not as long as she is holding up her end. and, she just keeps getting better and better, so there is really no end in site.

she delivers the very pinnacle of gfe, and i will not punish her for that kind of performance by insulting her ego in her bar. so, i maintain her status for her, and always will. there are plenty of other girls in the other bars that i can find. i don't need to stomp on her ego within her own bar just to attempt to find a questionable replacement. i would risk jumping from literal heaven into the burning abis otherwise.

fact is, i would have done the same for angry girl, protected her status within the bar, but she chose to dump me. end of story for her. besides, she was good, but no comparison to my g girl. i actually came away from the angry girl fiasco smelling like a rose. i got a girl that is five times the bar fine that angry girl proved to be, and i loved her service.

however, wastedg, i would appreciate your talking to angry girl for me. i would like her to know that i care for her, and that i would like to be friends with her. but, that she has always acted like i no longer exist. when she became so angry with me, i stopped trying to talk to her because i promised i would not bother her again. i do not speak to her because i made many attempts to apologize to her, only to be rebuffed by her. i finally told her i would not bother her again. the ball is in her court. i sincerely wish she would pick it up, not because i am interested in rekindling anything with her, but because i do not like having this dynamic between me another person that i have once been so close to. i hope she thinks it over. frankly, i don't know if you could possibly get into this kind of depth with her due to the language difficulties, but it is the way i see it. i hope she changes her mind about me. but, regardless, she holds no position with respect to my g girl. unless the g girl thing goes away, i would not ever even remotely consider anything with angry girl again, not that she is even imagining it.

in an upcoming report...

i will soon relate my g girls "continuous improvement" program. it manifested itself after i showed her a bunch of the pictures of my girls in asia, indonesia, and the philipines. i relayed to her some stories about my thai girl, how she walked the airport in bangkok on the day that she believed i would be arriving in thailand, but not knowing the hour, or even that i was going to arrive for sure on that exact date. i told her how my thai girl had taken the bus up to bangkok from pattaya, 3 hours each way, walked the airport for six hours waiting for me to "possibly" arrive, only to finally find me on the lower level as i was preparing to get into a taxi and miss her altogether. i relayed to her the commitments of the asian girls, and how they spend days on end, movies, dinners, all the sex you can stand, and all for 200-300 pesos per day, 24 hours a day. and, how to this day, five years later, i am still receiving regular text messages from her in thailand.

the result of having told her that story, among others, and having showed her the pictures of her competition in asia, unfolds soon to demonstrate the depth of my g girl's commitment to making sure she is always my "best," and preferably, "only" girl, certainly in mty, if not the world. that is her desire. i tell her regularly that she is the best girl i have ever found worldwide. it is true. but, in relating this story to her, i think she may have sensed a nastalgic reminiscence in my voice. she would not let that pass another day without making good on some of her own changes, changes that i see as for the better.

but, to prove a point, that is how i send her messages, and not through embarassing her in her bar. i don't mean that to sound critical of anyone elses methods. all i know is that my methods work well for me. i am the happiest i have ever been in mexico. i am as happy as i have been previously in asia...ask anyone who knows both venues well, and that is saying a hell of a lot.

Member #3453

09-03-07, 01:41

I would have rather been UnoBob this past week than me! Congratulations Uno on accomplishing what YOU want in your mongering experience. From following your reports for the last 6-8 months, I believe you DID have the best week of all the other weeks. So, for all of your detractors (myself included), I think you were the winner last week!

HAHAHAHAHA....:D this is too damned good to be true...two guys agreeing with me at once, KenT and Precocious One, and not one detractor. Where are my thoughtful, but mistaken friends, Carlos and MJ, all of my lurkers that hate me??? Where or where??? Thanks Ken. I feel like a winner.

Ohhhh, I knew it....here it comes...under the wire.

Member #3453

09-03-07, 01:48

YES, YES, YES!!!

I am asking for help. Are you afraid of a lilly-livered, pip squeek little girl. You can not even intervene on my behalf. She is a 90 pound weakling...comon' grow some balls, and help out a friend :D

But, I warn you, she is very HOT HEADED...you had better wear gloves.

To clarify, I am NOT...I REPEAT...NOT (as in "nada"), interested in seeing her again. I merely want to repair the rift. Simple as that. Because, I would never jeapardize my "relationship" with my G girl.

But, remember, she brought it up to WastedG. She is asking about me, unsolicited...not the other way around. I told you she was in love with me...just too proud to admit it. She misses those USB caresses and the pocket rocket in the hands of the master himself, verdad?

If she wanted to have a privado, and she was so bored with the subject of USB to begin with, then why waste time with WASTEDG bringing up the subject of, "USB?," talking about USB, who isn't even in attendence.

And, furthermore, WastedG, just to clarify, and to further demonstrate her lust for me, I did not give any girls cookies the entire time I was at El Infinito, just so you know the facts. Fact is, I never saw Angry Girl but one time, and that was Thursday night, before you arrived in MTY, and I did not hand out any cookies, and had no tokens to distribute that evening. I was feeling under the weather, and not energetic.

I, in fact, had nothing with me that night to hand out. I noticed her standing there between the two stages against the bar, with some guy's hand up her ass, but she ignored me, as usual. So, you see, I have to have "FRIENDS" intervene, or I will get nowhere in repairing this stupid fray.

Besides, her son is probably begging her for cookies and he hasn't tasted one in over a year. I told you the cookies were "love potion #10." When will you learn Carlos :D

USB says: "However, WastedG, I would appreciate your talking to Angry Girl for me. I would like her to know that I care for her"

NO!!!!
You don't involve third parties in hooker discussions!
Never ever!
Either you soldier up and confront her, or let her be.

Haven't you seen them just stare at you when you talk to them about other girls, stuff going on at the club?
Haven' you ever detected that vacant look that means "I could be doing privados and instead am hearing BS" ????

To the girls it is meaningless to tell them "oh, USB cares for you..."

Like Mr L's girl comes over and asks for him... the conversation only lasted 5 seconds before she was on her way.

They don't care about the messenger, they want the real deal, like they are used to in the club.
Haven't you seen that they preffer cutting to the chase and start earning money for that chat, even if it's important to them.

Come on USB... the C girl is near history, and it can be mended.
I you want her back, fight your own battle for her.

Let me tell you that at the Infinito, the proverbial messenger can be shot!!!

Member #3453

09-03-07, 02:15

I didn't say that she was a good girl as in nice.
I said she was good as good in her job...
And you forgot to mention: married.

I know...that is what I meant Precocious One, that Carlos said she was a consumate pro, and a good provider....As for the married thing, I decided to let you break that to him Carlos. And, you forgot to tell him who she is married to. I found that very interesting too.

Member #3453

09-03-07, 02:26

the c-girl, a "hot 'crunchy" girl???
she's way past veteran... not even a tse (total **** experience)....

not with me...she longs for things the way she had them with me before she turned hardened, snotty, nasty pro. you see, she is in that stage of development they go through where they turn into hardened pros, and then the pendulum swings back for them, to a point where they long for the tenderness they once knew in the beginning. she has experienced all the rest, and she only remembers how good she had it. she was originally pretty sweet inside. i still think the sweetness is there under all the scaring. many of them go full circle. i guarantee you that she would, if this were to ever repair itself, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me. you see, i know her pretty well, better than she would ever admit. she can not hide, not from me.

but, g girl is my girl, and nothing shall come between us. i will make friends with angry girl if she wants, no problem, but she would have to absolutely fuck me blind to out perform my g girl. besides, i am already blind now in one eye from g girl. so, she would have to fuck me blind, deaf, and dumb. honestly, i don't believe i would risk it, not on a bet.

but, i will give her cookies...no problem.

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 04:18

This is a very intersting point I have told you already more than once:

"Repair the rift"

Why repair the rift???
Iam the customer, not the guy in hurry to save a "relationship" with a hooker.
Not me... and I have told you that more than once.

The one that has to be worried about mending something is HER if she WANTS my MONEY.
Why is it that you don't get it?
Why should you wast time and energy on mending something you are not to blame, but her stupid arrogance that blocks her from talking to you?

And once again you contradict yourself: "I am NOT...I REPEAT...NOT (as in "nada"), interested in seeing her again. I merely want to repair the rift."

That is a total contradiction.
Why worry about a rift that sets you apart if you don't intend to talk to her no more?
Because you are giving her more importance than she deserves.
You are an open mark to her, as you are an open mark to the G-girl, as you were an open mark to Cindy #1.
If the C girl gets the notion that you are weak, she will have you eating from her hand in a second and she hasn't cause in the process of you getting to know each other, she just went into selfdestruct mode long before getting you in her net.

YES, YES, YES!!!

I am asking for help. Are you afraid of a lilly-livered, pip squeek little girl. You can not even intervene on my behalf. She is a 90 pound weakling...comon' grow some balls, and help out a friend :D

But, I warn you, she is very HOT HEADED...you had better wear gloves.

To clarify, I am NOT...I REPEAT...NOT (as in "nada"), interested in seeing her again. I merely want to repair the rift. Simple as that. Because, I would never jeapardize my "relationship" with my G girl.

But, remember, she brought it up to WastedG. She is asking about me, unsolicited...not the other way around. I told you she was in love with me...just too proud to admit it. She misses those USB caresses and the pocket rocket in the hands of the master himself, verdad?

If she wanted to have a privado, and she was so bored with the subject of USB to begin with, then why waste time with WASTEDG bringing up the subject of, "USB?," talking about USB, who isn't even in attendence.

And, furthermore, WastedG, just to clarify, and to further demonstrate her lust for me, I did not give any girls cookies the entire time I was at El Infinito, just so you know the facts. Fact is, I never saw Angry Girl but one time, and that was Thursday night, before you arrived in MTY, and I did not hand out any cookies, and had no tokens to distribute that evening. I was feeling under the weather, and not energetic.

I, in fact, had nothing with me that night to hand out. I noticed her standing there between the two stages against the bar, with some guy's hand up her ass, but she ignored me, as usual. So, you see, I have to have "FRIENDS" intervene, or I will get nowhere in repairing this stupid fray.

Besides, her son is probably begging her for cookies and he hasn't tasted one in over a year. I told you the cookies were "love potion #10." When will you learn Carlos :D

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 04:18

Married to one of the Matehuala DJs.

I know...that is what I meant Precocious One, that Carlos said she was a consumate pro, and a good provider....As for the married thing, I decided to let you break that to him Carlos. And, you forgot to tell him who she is married to. I found that very interesting too.

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 04:21

am i talking to the same usb that was here last week?

the c girl has been married (or living steady with someone) for over a year and has had a baby from his couple.

i already told you about this a while ago...

not with me...she longs for things the way she had them with me before she turned hardened, snotty, nasty pro. you see, she is in that stage of development they go through where they turn into hardened pros, and then the pendulum swings back for them, to a point where they long for the tenderness they once knew in the beginning. she has experienced all the rest, and she only remembers how good she had it. she was originally pretty sweet inside. i still think the sweetness is there under all the scaring. many of them go full circle. i guarantee you that she would, if this were to ever repair itself, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me. you see, i know her pretty well, better than she would ever admit. she can not hide, not from me.

but, g girl is my girl, and nothing shall come between us. i will make friends with angry girl if she wants, no problem, but she would have to absolutely fuck me blind to out perform my g girl. besides, i am already blind now in one eye from g girl. so, she would have to fuck me blind, deaf, and dumb. honestly, i don't believe i would risk it, not on a bet.

but, i will give her cookies...no problem.

Member #3453

09-03-07, 04:51

Am I talking to the same USB that was here last week?

The C girl has been married (or living steady with someone) for over a year and has had a baby from his couple.

I already told you about this a while ago...

Well, she had the baby when I was seeing her a year ago. Her baby was three years old then, and she showed me pictures and cell phone movies of "him" numerous times. So, I believe that she either got back together with the same guy, the father of the baby, or, more likely, she is shacking up with a new guy, not the father of the baby.

I still know how she was with me, and I still remember her spending 6 hours with me routinely, sometimes for 500 to 700 pesos. I also remember she staying with me past the bar's curfew, and being riduculed by her boss for doing so, she being threatened with disciplinary action if she continued to do so.

I know she was with her current guy when she almost begged me to take her on salida the last time we were together. She was like a tiger in heat. So, her marriage, or novio, or whatever, means absolutely nothing to her when it comes to satisfying her sexual urges. She wants SEX...You remember that report. The one where I was playing around and joking around with her prior to getting down to business, and she became so frustrated with my delays, telling me "USB...I want SEX, right NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

I still would not consider risking my G girl for the likes of her. However, that does not mean that I want the "evil" snake eye everytime I see her in the bar. So, I prefer to mend our relationship. Why is that so hard to understand? I'm a lover, not a fighter!!!

Member #3453

09-03-07, 05:07

Why should you wast time and energy on mending something you are not to blame, but her stupid arrogance that blocks her from talking to you? You are an open mark to her, as you are an open mark to the G-girl, as you were an open mark to Cindy #1.

A mark, with respect to larceny, is a person taken advantage of. I do not see where I have actually been taken advantage of.

Certainly not by my "G" girl, not at 8-12 hours lately, all for a donation from me of 1500 pesos, not even a set amount, and sometimes in the beginning, todo la noche for as little as 500 pesos and no bar fine.

Not by Angry Girl, not at 6 hours for 500-700 pesos, and sometimes including todo la noche...and, sometimes with no bar fine.

Not by Cindy #1, who, we agree, has the potential to be the worst of the lot, she agreeing last time, 2 months ago, to go with me to the hotel for nothing, and staying for 6 hours. Not to mention she spending four days with me one time, all for about 2000 pesos.

I am continually being warned that I am going to be taken advantage of. That these girls are all running my life, when in reality I am getting significantly more "time" for significantly less money than what is routinely quoted to even the most accomplished of MTY.

I don't feel like a mark. :D Maybe that is the beauty of their scamming expertise...you don't know when you're getting screwed...Except, I am very vividly aware that I am most definitely getting "screwed," and for less, to include hi-bred GFE screwed.

When, after over five years in the case of Cindy #1, three years in the case of Angry Girl, and almost 2-1/2 years in the case of my "G" girl, are they intending to score?

If I am forgetting instances where I have been taken advantage of, then I need to be reminded. Because so far, I feel that I am the one getting the majority of the benefits from running a game on these "sophisticated" bar girls, supposed accomplished liars, cheats, and confidence women. If they are truly trying to scam me, I can tell you one thing based on first hand knowledge and experience, they are amateurs.

But, the reality is, I am not attempting to scam them, nor are they scamming me. Whatever advantage I appear to be getting from them, I believe is being given freely, and gladly by them, with genuine affection, and as a direct result of my attitude toward them.

Again, when are they intending to score. They all must have the patience of a Saint after five, three, and two and a half years of waiting, respectively. I could likely kickoff before they might expect to capitalize on their false charms and devilishly wiley ways. How long are they going to wait?

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 07:24

Definitly, yes you are an open mark...

Remember? We see you from a close advantage point?
We have seen you fall for several right in our noses and you have even posted examples of several con girls identifying you as a mark and doing their job.

Recent history: the Beibis girl. She only had to work you over for you to tell us she was great. She only had to sit on you and give you a woody to convince you she was a total new potential.

Mid range: A girl at the Casino you bar fined. Both Wasted and me told you, desperatly told you several times, she was an absolute waste of money.. but you did not hear our words, cause from our advantage point, we saw she was working you into putty in her hands. You posted later that she was a total dissapointment.

Long term: Cindy #2. Cindy #2, for those reading is an Extasis girl I met before linking with USB. A girl a kicked out of my list cause she is a total fraud, a con artist. Cindy #2's control was on you was up to full power just up to recent history when you finally was able to break the spell. We saw just how she took control over you, she just jumped overexited, gave you a couple of kisses and she had you in her hands. Again... another married girl that would not have sex with you or do salidas with you and still I you went to see her time and time again. That day at the Casino, she saw disgust in my face when I realized who she was and that I just knew how usless she is as a club girl and that I would certainly tell you all about her. I did, and you just kept going.

Again you quote that you get the best of them.
The only one that has given you the best of her is the G girl and only cause she is a totally nice girl.
Why? cause she is not the prettiest of the lot, she is the fairest of the lot. For those reasons she is rejected by the mafia of the divas even if she might make as much money as them. If she were part of them, you would be totally spent by now and still charmed by her enchantments.

A mark, with respect to larceny, is a person taken advantage of. I do not see where I have actually been taken advantage of.

Certainly not by my "G" girl, not at 8-12 hours lately, all for a donation from me of 1500 pesos, not even a set amount, and sometimes in the beginning, todo la noche for as little as 500 pesos and no bar fine.

Not by Angry Girl, not at 6 hours for 500-700 pesos, and sometimes including todo la noche...and, sometimes with no bar fine.

Not by Cindy #1, who, we agree, has the potential to be the worst of the lot, she agreeing last time, 2 months ago, to go with me to the hotel for nothing, and staying for 6 hours. Not to mention she spending four days with me one time, all for about 2000 pesos.

I am continually being warned that I am going to be taken advantage of. That these girls are all running my life, when in reality I am getting significantly more "time" for significantly less money than what is routinely quoted to even the most accomplished of MTY.

I don't feel like a mark. :D Maybe that is the beauty of their scamming expertise...you don't know when you're getting screwed...Except, I am very vividly aware that I am most definitely getting "screwed," and for less, to include hi-bred GFE screwed.

When, after over five years in the case of Cindy #1, three years in the case of Angry Girl, and almost 2-1/2 years in the case of my "G" girl, are they intending to score?

If I am forgetting instances where I have been taken advantage of, then I need to be reminded. Because so far, I feel that I am the one getting the majority of the benefits from running a game on these "sophisticated" bar girls, supposed accomplished liars, cheats, and confidence women. If they are truly trying to scam me, I can tell you one thing based on first hand knowledge and experience, they are amateurs.

But, the reality is, I am not attempting to scam them, nor are they scamming me. Whatever advantage I appear to be getting from them, I believe is being given freely, and gladly by them, with genuine affection, and as a direct result of my attitude toward them.

Again, when are they intending to score. They all must have the patience of a Saint after five, three, and two and a half years of waiting, respectively. I could likely kickoff before they might expect to capitalize on their false charms and devilishly wiley ways. How long are they going to wait?

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 07:37

USB says: "The one where I was playing around and joking around with her prior to getting down to business, and she became so frustrated with my delays, telling me "USB...I want SEX, right NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

My friend, by the time you got to this point I had 1 Infinito girl telling me she wanted a baby from me.

Ever wondered why I never go to the Matehuala? Cause my long standing regular, my J girl stopped charging me so I would stop doing other girls.
That is total blackmail to gain control over me.
The total Draconian punishment, my inflexibel policy, is not going over again till she retires. I won't care for the place anymore till she leaves.
If anyone is selfdestructing, it's the girl, not me.

Every single thing they do is a trick up their sleeve.
You misinterpret the signals as your doing, when it is their total doing.

Well, she had the baby when I was seeing her a year ago. Her baby was three years old then, and she showed me pictures and cell phone movies of "him" numerous times. So, I believe that she either got back together with the same guy, the father of the baby, or, more likely, she is shacking up with a new guy, not the father of the baby.

I still know how she was with me, and I still remember her spending 6 hours with me routinely, sometimes for 500 to 700 pesos. I also remember she staying with me past the bar's curfew, and being riduculed by her boss for doing so, she being threatened with disciplinary action if she continued to do so.

I know she was with her current guy when she almost begged me to take her on salida the last time we were together. She was like a tiger in heat. So, her marriage, or novio, or whatever, means absolutely nothing to her when it comes to satisfying her sexual urges. She wants SEX...You remember that report. The one where I was playing around and joking around with her prior to getting down to business, and she became so frustrated with my delays, telling me "USB...I want SEX, right NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

I still would not consider risking my G girl for the likes of her. However, that does not mean that I want the "evil" snake eye everytime I see her in the bar. So, I prefer to mend our relationship. Why is that so hard to understand? I'm a lover, not a fighter!!!

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 07:43

Mill Just

09-03-07, 09:23

Amen, Brother Carlos!!! Truer words were never spoken here.

The whole "I'm only going to charge you a little or nothing" thing is the biggest scam in the whole Bar Girl Universe.

Now, let me see if I can explain this to Uno:

*Gringo #1 establishes himself as a regular in Strip Club #1.
*Gringo # 1 establishes himself as a relatively easy mark in Strip Club #1.
*Bar Girl # 1 meets Gringo #1 and recognizes an easy mark.
*Bar Girl # 1 bats her eyelashes and shakes her ass for Gringo #1, all the while pushing his emotional buttons.
*Bar girl #1 severely undercharges Gringo #1, further pushing his emotional buttons and making him feel like this is "more than just a hooker/client relationship.
*Gringo # 1 makes an emotional committment to Bar Girl #1
*Bar Girl # 1 rakes in the benefits of having a constant, exclusive flow of money and support from Gringo #1
*Bar Girl # 1 makes more and more demands (mostly indirect) to Gringo #1
*Gringo # 1 feels obligated to "help" Bar Girl #1 because either: a) she has been so good to him by charging less in the past or b) he "loves" her.
*Gringo # 1 is now Bar Girl #1's b i t c h...and not the other way around.

This is not an unusual occurence in Mexican strip clubs..it's actually quite common. The irony of the situation is that Gringo #1 can get just as much play, and all the GFE that he can tolerate, by being more of a man and knowing how to play the game here. This is not the real world. This is a barren desert of lost souls where a man who wears his heart on his sleeves will get pulled apart by the vultures.

In my case, I have all the GFE that I can handle. I get that service regularly from 5 chicas and I'd get more of it if I so desired. This was my weekend:
I spent Friday afternoon with one of my favorites and we did the usual, dinner and a movie thing. Plenty of hand-holding and kissing and groping. Great sex at the end of the date and then I took her to her job. What did I pay? I paid 500 pesos plus food and the movie. She asked for nothing, but I offered the money anyway. Saturday, I took another of my favorites to the zoo and a nice lunch. Again, plenty of hand holding and public displays of affection. Again, great sex at the end of the date; sex, by the way, that she intiated and that she again intiated for the second time. I paid her 1,000 pesos because I had stiffed her the last time we were out by completely forgetting about the money. Sunday, I took another of my favorites for a walk downtown to look at the local artists' work on display. Again, plenty of GFE behavior. We had a nice meal and back to my apartment where I played it cool and didn't pounce on her. No sex on Sunday, but plenty of hugging and kissing and other displays of affection.

I don't often write about these things because I don't mean to sound like I brag, but I just wanted to make it clear that these services are available if you know how to play the game.

Uno, I'm sorry, but you do not know how to play the game. You put yourself at the mercy of these chicas, thereby cutting yourself from all further GFE possiblities with chicas who may be a bit more slow-burning. It's a minor miracle that you get the great service you get from your "G" girl, the equivalent of a guy driving in his convertible and getting clunked in the head by a falling bag of cash. Your success with her has nothing to do with your skills and everything to do with succeeding despite yourself. I get the service I get because the chicas know that there are others fighting for my time. I make the rules and I am in the driver's seat. They may or may not think that they are playing me so as to tame the beast and make me an exlcusive, but they are sadly mistaken. I am in control at all time.

If you're going to survive in the Mexican Strip Club Scene, you have to establish that you are the one in control at all times. You can still care about the girls and you can still be a nice guy, but you have to remain in control. You being in complete control can actually prevent the chica's "bar girl mercenary" attitude from rearing its ugly head while she is with you. These girls need to respect you before they can care for you as a client or, even, as a man.

Take what I said in the best possible light because there is no ill will intended. Your happiness is the only thing that should be important to you. It's just that we, the veterans of the Mexican Strip Club Wars, have seen some terrible things happen to good guys like you...and most of them talk just like you, explain things just like you, delude themselves just like you and eventually ruin a good thing for themselves by falling for the tricks of the trade that have been used so often to take down guys just like you.

USB says: "The one where I was playing around and joking around with her prior to getting down to business, and she became so frustrated with my delays, telling me "USB...I want SEX, right NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

My friend, by the time you got to this point I had 1 Infinito girl telling me she wanted a baby from me.

Ever wondered why I never go to the Matehuala? Cause my long standing regular, my J girl stopped charging me so I would stop doing other girls.
That is total blackmail to gain control over me.
The total Draconian punishment, my inflexibel policy, is not going over again till she retires. I won't care for the place anymore till she leaves.
If anyone is selfdestructing, it's the girl, not me.

Every single thing they do is a trick up their sleeve.
You misinterpret the signals as your doing, when it is their total doing.

Member #3453

09-03-07, 14:20

I will respond primarily to Carlos' post, but it applies to MJs as well. Guys, again, where is it that I am being fleeced? I am not being fleeced. MJ is at a disadvantage because he is not in MTY to enable him the ability to conjure up false accusations based on his actually accompanying me in the clubs, as Carlos does :D

You are at a huge disadvantage MJ, having only my drippy, ooozzzing, emotionally charged posts to draw upon. In that instance, I can understand your conclusions more readily than what Carlos is coming up with. Carlos, on the other hand, really has no excuse for his inadequate accusations. He knows me quite well, and he also knows that I have never truly been fleeced, nor can he produce an instance of it.

If spending money in the clubs is a fleecing, Carlos is as guilty of it as I am.

Lets take the Casino example Carlos...A guy who bar fines a girl one time, and never again, after seeing that she is not what he prefers, not necessarily claiming that she is a poor bar fine or terrible, because I did not say she was terrible, but simply one that does not really appeal to me, and my previously well stated preferences, is not a fleecing, not when he paid the standard going rate, was NOT charged extra by her for regular services, NOT cut short on time, etc...I don't have the time to invest like you do in determining the ultimate suitability of these girls. So, due to time constraints, it does cost me money to determine their suitability by cutting right to the chase with them, bar fining them while I have the opportunity and I am in town. However, I suspect that you probably spend about the same amount on your girls in drinks, determining their suitability prior to bar fining them, as I spent on them actually just cutting directly to the chase and bar fining them straight away. Again, it is a matter of opportunity and not a matter of failed strategy. If I had the time, as you do, I would possibly play it differently, or not...fact is I think we probably spend about the same either way.

Lets take the other example, the Beibis girl...do you mean to say that buying a girl one drink, talking to her a short time, less than a half hour, and then deciding not to bar fine her, is a fleecing??? Do you conclude that by my sitting in a bar that you have simply "heard" is not one of the best, but never directly experienced yourself, is a fleecing, even when I have directly experienced the bar, talked to the girl, interviewed her, interacted with the waiters, surveyed the general attitude of its customers, etc...and reported back that it has some possible potential? Where is it that I was fleeced? The drink cost was no different than what I routinely find at Casino, Harem, Pasarelas, etc...and I only bought one drink. THIS EXAMPLE IS HEREBY REJECTED CARLOS...you must resubmit to get a "D" on your report card. :D

Regarding Cindy #2, I have literally not seen her but one time for at least three years. And, I am fully aware that she does nothing, and I have not expected her ever to do anything for at least three years, and was genuinely glad to see her again. I enjoyed seeing her again. I liked talking to her. I expected nothing after having seen her most recently. It was entirely my desire to see her after she had been absent for so long. I did not even ask her on salida with me. I considered seeing her this trip, but after having sat with her last time, she did not enchant me like she once did, when she was 18 years old, hot as HELL, no kids, etc...I may still revisit her, just to check out the progress of her eventual decision to go on salidas. Because, in my estimation, she will eventually have to go that route or die a slow and painful death in the clubs as she continues to age. Besides, she has already offered to take me upstairs to the two hour privados for full service whenever I want. She just doesn't go on salidas. That usually means they have somebody on the outside that they are worried will see them engaging in that kind of behavior. I can have her if I want her. I just choose not to partake in services on-site. That is my right to decline services I prefer not to engage in.

Case in Point...The fact that I bought Cindy #2 a few drinks and talked to her is no more a fleecing than what you, Carlos, routinely engage in at Prestige and Obsession, on a weekly basis, sometimes buying your girls 3 or 4 drinks each and every week. I have personally witnessed you buying your former favorite at Prestige, the gay girl, drinks out the wazooo, primarily, you say, because you liked talking to her. Because, literally, you say, she would not do anything with you because she is gay, and that you are strictly friends.

I do not accuse you of being fleeced in those instances, I simply accept that you like the girl, and enjoy her company. But, if I do the same thing with Cindy #2, I am somehow being fleeced, the stupid Gringo, incapable of simply enjoying the girl's personality. Yet, when you do the exact same things, with girls that you anticipate no activity from, somehow it is perfectly acceptable.
THIS EXAMPLE IS HEREBY REJECTED CARLOS...you must resubmit a better example to get a "D" in your assignement.

Mill, as for your exploits, I accept your brotherly comments just as you intend them to be. But, my friend, honestly, if you are having those successes, they are not different than anything I am experiencing. There are NO incidents of my having been fleeced by any of these girls, certainly not anymore than the veterans that proliferate around me. If my comments seem that I am open to a fleecing, then it has not occurred in five years....The "mark" has to be open to being a "mark." I am not open to a fleecing. There is simply a point of intelligent restraint where logic overides their ability to fleece me. My emotions do not enter into that aspect of my intellect with them.

And, furthermore, MJ, I wish you did not feel the way you do about reporting your experiences. You are simply too self conscience about it seeming that you are bragging about your exploits. If your reporting your strategies and your exploits is "true," it is not bragging, it is reporting. Why would I doubt the validity of your exploits, or consider them some kind of bloated, self congratulatory endeavor on your part. I do not. I enjoy reading about them. They give us all hope, verdad?

Frankly, the instances for me that are successful with respect to hi-bred GFE are not common, only a few girls over the course of five years. It is out of the ordinary if you are able, through your strategy, to achieve that distinction with a few girls. We have different methods, but our methodologies are equally effective, just different. I don't see you being fleeced just because our methods are different, or I happen to articulate my affections for my best girls in the pages of ISG and you don't. And, unless Carlos can come up with some significantly better examples, I do NOT accept the premise that I am being fleeced either, or that I am in danger of being fleeced.

Read my individual words carefully in this following paragraph. I choose my words very carefully. They are written to convey a very specific thing with regard to your forming conclusions about what I am saying.

I have not been fleeced in five years, and my emotional angle with these girls has always gotten me more results than to treat them like they are hookers, and/or trying to play them all against one another. I suspect that you do not treat the girls, individually, like you refer to them in your reports to us. I suspect the girls believe you to be "sincere" in your affections for them even if they also know that you have others competing with them in the wings. Fact is, I think you are sincere with them in your affections in the "moment," just as I am. It is what cultivates GFE, not a directly confrontational Cabronish attitude designed to make them feel intimidated emotionally. But, I also suspect you are a very intelligent individual, and that even as you have emotional attachments to these girls in the moment, you are also intelligent enough not to act upon those emotions to the extent that you would be financially or emotionally damaged as a result of consorting with them.

To demonstrate my sincerity, I will relate a couple of instances where I was "fleeced...", but really these are not fleecings in the "con-girl" sense, they are examples of my being cheated by the clubs, not the girls.

When I first came to Monterrey, I attended the Poisson strip club, one of the upper level clubs, very expenisve place, and like an amateur Gringo, which I was at the time, I parted with $500 in one night, and realized at that moment that I had just been "fleeced." But, again, that is not a fleecing even in the sense that I was conned by a bar girl I was emotionally attached to. I was simply fleeced as a patron of the bar, charged huge amounts of money to partake in perfectly legitimate services where there was a schedule of prices posted for all to see. Again, I felt fleeced, but in the legal, and/or most certainly in the emotional sense, I was not really fleeced, verdad?

With respect to the waiters fleecing me several weeks ago in Pasarelas, with regard to bringing me the tab and not applying payments to the tab properly, I was cheated. I do not consider that a fleecing. I was simply cheated by them and had no video tape in which to demonstrate to them that I had already paid for two drinks. By the way, if I do run a tab, the waiters are very careful now to bring that tab to my table, show it to me, and to make every effort that I realize they themselves are not trying to cheat me. The honest ones (honest, right???), prefer that I not believe they would consider cheating me because they want to make their tips, and do not want me angry with them. So, after that last incident, they are careful to take care that I am not offended by their service at settling-up time.

But again, those are not incidents of having been fleeced by my emotional connections to my best girls. Where am I being fleeced by the girls that I am emotionally attached to?

Carlos says..."Again you quote that you get the best of them. The only one that has given you the best of her is the G girl and only cause she is a totally nice girl. Why? cause she is not the prettiest of the lot, she is the fairest of the lot. For those reasons she is rejected by the mafia of the divas even if she might make as much money as them.

Balogna...When I am out with my G girl, and she is sitting by herself, apart from me, hords of men break their necks to get a glimpse of her. I see the reactions she gets, and they aren't reactions given because she is being seen in the company of a Gringo. They are reactions where I am not around to influence those displays. From the "neck breaking" action, I can see that she is HOTTER than HELL!!!

Carlos says..."If she were part of them, you would be totally spent by now and still charmed by her enchantments."

I can assure you, I AM TOTALLY SPENT, and I am charmed by her enchantments. But, again, where have I been fleeced by her?

You guys are always saying "you're gonna this, you're gonna that, you're on the road to ruin, you're gonna take a fall," but it has not occurred in five years, and neither of you can produce an example of it having occurred, not even close. Again...Intelligent thought is what separates the "mark" from the "victim." But, even at that, my best girls have never even tried to run a game on me. Certainly, I see the normal bar girl range of strategies being applied. Do you mean to tell me that the girls do not try it with you, not at all, not ever, not even when they don't know you and you haven't established your superior strategy with them yet?

Certainly, anyone can be the object of criminal, violent attackes, such as kiddnappings, etc...those are real concerns, certainly. But, believe me, my trips into Colombia (the rebels), my trips to Indonesia, a haven for terrorists that hate Americans, those are dangers that are quite real. But, we all take risks. My present vocation has significantly more risk attached to it than I would ever encounter dealing with these amatuer bar girls. Carlos, you know the specifics of that.

I take a risk when I board a plane, especially these days as fucked up as the airlines seemingly are. I am surprised their aircraft are not dropping out of the skies like flies as screwed up as the airlines are.

Danger is all around us. But, each of us takes a measured gamble based on their own intellect and experience in life that serves to protect us to a certain degree from not only danger but fleecings as well.

Definitly, yes you are an open mark...

Remember? We see you from a close advantage point?
We have seen you fall for several right in our noses and you have even posted examples of several con girls identifying you as a mark and doing their job.

Recent history: the Beibis girl. She only had to work you over for you to tell us she was great. She only had to sit on you and give you a woody to convince you she was a total new potential.

Mid range: A girl at the Casino you bar fined. Both Wasted and me told you, desperatly told you several times, she was an absolute waste of money.. but you did not hear our words, cause from our advantage point, we saw she was working you into putty in her hands. You posted later that she was a total dissapointment.

Long term: Cindy #2. Cindy #2, for those reading is an Extasis girl I met before linking with USB. A girl a kicked out of my list cause she is a total fraud, a con artist. Cindy #2's control was on you was up to full power just up to recent history when you finally was able to break the spell. We saw just how she took control over you, she just jumped overexited, gave you a couple of kisses and she had you in her hands. Again... another married girl that would not have sex with you or do salidas with you and still I you went to see her time and time again. That day at the Casino, she saw disgust in my face when I realized who she was and that I just knew how usless she is as a club girl and that I would certainly tell you all about her. I did, and you just kept going.

Again you quote that you get the best of them.
The only one that has given you the best of her is the G girl and only cause she is a totally nice girl.
Why? cause she is not the prettiest of the lot, she is the fairest of the lot. For those reasons she is rejected by the mafia of the divas even if she might make as much money as them. If she were part of them, you would be totally spent by now and still charmed by her enchantments.

Member #3453

09-03-07, 14:54

So many girls have told me they want my baby...You know what I tell them...fine, sin condom might accomplish that....:D There, take them apples :D With respect to Angry Girl specifically, that line was used on our second salida, probably four years ago. That line is one the girls love to say...I agree...it's a bar girl strategum. But, you also don't possibly realize that girls have a huge natural desire for babies. With some, it is so strong that they are emotional wrecks until they finally have the next one. Don't entirely discount their claims. I know...I have two grown daughters.

I always thought that Matehuala was becoming so poor that you were avoiding it because you have a weak stomach for ugly girls, just so you wouldn't barf. Now I know "the rest of the story." :D

Listen, I agree with you about not paying them anything. That is why I always pay. We agree on this issue. Why do you believe me to have an alternate strategy when we agree on this. Even recently, when Cindy #1 promised to charge me nothing, just before she left, I paid her 1000 pesos, but after 6 hours I might add. So, we agree on this aspect of strategy. My bench mark is achieving more time, and keeping the payment amount low in comparison but high in fact.

Why does everybody like accusing me of paying nothing, when I always pay something, even when they decide not to charge me. Where is it that I am being naive here? Read my lips...I ALWAYS PAY THEM!!!

As for my experiences with my GFE girls as not giving me their best, you are correct that "G" is far and away the most loving girl I have ever been with. You must admit, her attentions are totally "a-typical." I do not believe they are insincere in the least bit. But, regardless, I do not plan to turn the deed to my home over to her, or to turn my stock portfolio statements over to her in the near future. And, if she continues to deliver the goods in the same way as is characteristic of her lately, she deserves every nickel she gets, and then some.

But, in referring to my other GFE girls as not satisfactory, as not "giving," where do you get that??? All of my GFE girls are great. They are great in every respect. It's just that my G girl is so far and away "a-typical" superior that she is beyond hi-bred GFE. So what??? That doesn't detract from the others being "GFE," it just means I prefer time with my "G" girl. What is wrong with preferring time spent with your super, gold plated, beyond hi-bred GFE, especially when cost is dirt cheap, time is abundant with her, and she demonstrates so much affection that she would othewise eat me alive. Are you suggesting I should punnish myself instead, go with girls that do not stack up to a superior hi-bred GFE instead of seeing my "G" girl??? To what purpose? Cost is higher, time is less, results are, while good, less enjoyable.

Uhhhhmmm, are you suddenly into S & M, :D

Why would I choose to go with my regular GFE girls, girls that are lesser than my "G" girl, when she is otherwise available?

USB says: "The one where I was playing around and joking around with her prior to getting down to business, and she became so frustrated with my delays, telling me "USB...I want SEX, right NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

My friend, by the time you got to this point I had 1 Infinito girl telling me she wanted a baby from me.

Ever wondered why I never go to the Matehuala? Cause my long standing regular, my J girl stopped charging me so I would stop doing other girls.
That is total blackmail to gain control over me.
The total Draconian punishment, my inflexibel policy, is not going over again till she retires. I won't care for the place anymore till she leaves.
If anyone is selfdestructing, it's the girl, not me.

Every single thing they do is a trick up their sleeve.
You misinterpret the signals as your doing, when it is their total doing.

Precocious One

09-03-07, 15:16

I didn't say that she was a good girl as in nice.
I said she was good as good in her job.

And you forgot to mention: married.She is no longer married, or so she claims. If I remember correctly, she told me that she used to be married to the ex-DJ at Tangalay who, consequently, is now driving a cab. She apparantly still lives with the guy along with her two children. But then again, who really knows with these girls? Fuc_ing Mexico.

And yes, she is very good at her job. The best I have encountered in Monterrey to this point. She does what she is paid to do: make you feel good.

Member #3453

09-03-07, 15:33

MJ says, "Your success with her has nothing to do with your skills and everything to do with succeeding despite yourself."

My "G" girl, and all the others, understand that they have competition. It's just that I deliver the message differently than you do, and with different props. Plus, I do not believe the proper strategy with her is to punnish her for a superior, gold plated, hi-bred GFE. Quite the contrary. I reward her with exclusivity because she is far and away better than all the rest.

Case in point, I recently showed my "G" girl photos of her competition in other countries, explained to her, with a significant amount of reminiscent nastalgic longing, the advantages to the average male in Asia versus Mexico. The next day, she literally made changes in her behavior that specifically addressed each and every attribute that I explained about the Asia experience. Her changes were noticeable changes that directly related to our conversation the day before. Honestly, bless her heart, she didn't have to change a thing. She is so far superior to her Mexico competition, on a par with at least the best in Asia, that I treasure her beyond all others.

You see MJ, you used the strategy that conveys to them that you have other girls in Morelia that you can go to. I use the strategy that I have other entire countries, superior venues that I can go to, and I have the photos to prove it, the finances to achieve it, and the experience traveling the world to engage in it beyond just making threats.

She knows all of that, and she prefer to keep me coming back for more, all at a reduced cost, significantly reduced in comparison to anything I would expect to achieve in my wildest dreams in Mexico, and especially with regard to time spent. She realizes she can not compete with Asian wage rates, so she pulls out all the stops to give more in time, effort, affection, etc...My strategy with her is very effective. I have been using the same strategy with some other girls as well, and it seems quite useful. They realize that if you do not return to Mexico, you will most certainly NOT be patronizing them. My first string GFE's know they also have local competition. But, not only local, they know that I will not return to patronize them if I do not return to Mexico.

It is forcing them to get off the "Mexico" substandard routine, and live up to a Worldclass standard, especially when they realize they can not compete financially with Asia, 200-300 pesos for 24 hour love fest. Literally, if my "G" girl were not available, and giving me the undiscernable sincere emotional affectionate service that I enjoy, I could not in good conscience endorse the Mexico venue as Worldclass, and very possibly not return to Mexico for mongering purposes.

I would, of course, revisit MTY to visit Carlos and my amigos, but were I soley to have to rely on the GFE of most providers in MTY, I doubt whether they would sufficiently motivate me to return in lieu of other, much better venues.

Any that have traveled to these other venues of the World, and also know the Mexico venue well, will back me up on this 1000%.

I challenge any on the board to visit the Asia section on this, or any other board, and start to exclaim the merits of a Mexico experience. You will hear vividly from those who have experience in both venues. It ain't gonna' be pretty.

Amen, Brother Carlos!!! Truer words were never spoken here.

The whole "I'm only going to charge you a little or nothing" thing is the biggest scam in the whole Bar Girl Universe.

Now, let me see if I can explain this to Uno:

*Gringo #1 establishes himself as a regular in Strip Club #1.
*Gringo # 1 establishes himself as a relatively easy mark in Strip Club #1.
*Bar Girl # 1 meets Gringo #1 and recognizes an easy mark.
*Bar Girl # 1 bats her eyelashes and shakes her ass for Gringo #1, all the while pushing his emotional buttons.
*Bar girl #1 severely undercharges Gringo #1, further pushing his emotional buttons and making him feel like this is "more than just a hooker/client relationship.
*Gringo # 1 makes an emotional committment to Bar Girl #1
*Bar Girl # 1 rakes in the benefits of having a constant, exclusive flow of money and support from Gringo #1
*Bar Girl # 1 makes more and more demands (mostly indirect) to Gringo #1
*Gringo # 1 feels obligated to "help" Bar Girl #1 because either: a) she has been so good to him by charging less in the past or b) he "loves" her.
*Gringo # 1 is now Bar Girl #1's b i t c h...and not the other way around.

This is not an unusual occurence in Mexican strip clubs..it's actually quite common. The irony of the situation is that Gringo #1 can get just as much play, and all the GFE that he can tolerate, by being more of a man and knowing how to play the game here. This is not the real world. This is a barren desert of lost souls where a man who wears his heart on his sleeves will get pulled apart by the vultures.

In my case, I have all the GFE that I can handle. I get that service regularly from 5 chicas and I'd get more of it if I so desired. This was my weekend:
I spent Friday afternoon with one of my favorites and we did the usual, dinner and a movie thing. Plenty of hand-holding and kissing and groping. Great sex at the end of the date and then I took her to her job. What did I pay? I paid 500 pesos plus food and the movie. She asked for nothing, but I offered the money anyway. Saturday, I took another of my favorites to the zoo and a nice lunch. Again, plenty of hand holding and public displays of affection. Again, great sex at the end of the date; sex, by the way, that she intiated and that she again intiated for the second time. I paid her 1,000 pesos because I had stiffed her the last time we were out by completely forgetting about the money. Sunday, I took another of my favorites for a walk downtown to look at the local artists' work on display. Again, plenty of GFE behavior. We had a nice meal and back to my apartment where I played it cool and didn't pounce on her. No sex on Sunday, but plenty of hugging and kissing and other displays of affection.

I don't often write about these things because I don't mean to sound like I brag, but I just wanted to make it clear that these services are available if you know how to play the game.

Uno, I'm sorry, but you do not know how to play the game. You put yourself at the mercy of these chicas, thereby cutting yourself from all further GFE possiblities with chicas who may be a bit more slow-burning. It's a minor miracle that you get the great service you get from your "G" girl, the equivalent of a guy driving in his convertible and getting clunked in the head by a falling bag of cash. Your success with her has nothing to do with your skills and everything to do with succeeding despite yourself. I get the service I get because the chicas know that there are others fighting for my time. I make the rules and I am in the driver's seat. They may or may not think that they are playing me so as to tame the beast and make me an exlcusive, but they are sadly mistaken. I am in control at all time.

If you're going to survive in the Mexican Strip Club Scene, you have to establish that you are the one in control at all times. You can still care about the girls and you can still be a nice guy, but you have to remain in control. You being in complete control can actually prevent the chica's "bar girl mercenary" attitude from rearing its ugly head while she is with you. These girls need to respect you before they can care for you as a client or, even, as a man.

Take what I said in the best possible light because there is no ill will intended. Your happiness is the only thing that should be important to you. It's just that we, the veterans of the Mexican Strip Club Wars, have seen some terrible things happen to good guys like you...and most of them talk just like you, explain things just like you, delude themselves just like you and eventually ruin a good thing for themselves by falling for the tricks of the trade that have been used so often to take down guys just like you.

Precocious One

09-03-07, 15:44

So many girls have told me they want my baby. You know what I tell them. Fine, sin condom might accomplish that.Dude. You are going to have a baby with one of these girls? You do realize that is going to cost you around $250/month adjusted for inflation, right? These girls want to have a baby with you and Carlos because they know that you will both PAY. My non-pro GF wants to go BB and has now broken up with me for the second time in a month because I refuse to go BB even with her adamant proclomations that she is on the pill. She has even made a point of showing me them. I do not trust her as she has already told me of her overwhelming desires for a family, baby and husband. When I get tempted, all I think about is $250/month, adjusted for inflation, for the next fu_king 18 years. No way.

Think about that number. As well as the emotional ramifications.

A little USB, running around Monterrey with a bag of cookies, that you may no longer want anything to do with once this mongering stage of your life finally comes to pass. Because at the end of the day that is all this is. A small period of your life that will eventually come to an end.

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 17:19

You have a wrong assesment regarding my girls.
I invite them drinks, yes, tons of pesos worth of drinks, but you just don't know what I do when you are not around.

The A girl at the Prestige, formerly of the Obsession... I have been doing her a long while outside the premises.
The Y girl from the Prestige.... Even Wasted knows that I have done her outside the premesis.
My long lost adorable D girl from the O place... sex was involved with Wasted as a witness.. as a matter of fact after having sex with D with Wasted doing her J girl in the other bed is a spectacle I don't want to repeat.

The girls at the afternoon shift are my ego builders.
I work them out till they beg me to take them out and have sex with them and even then it has to sound truthful, not their gimmick to try to snare me.

At the afternoon shift, being it slow and easy going, helped me fine tune the pick up style I use elsewhere. As a matter of fact, Wasted practiced his first baby steps of dominating more then one girl at the Prestige.

I will respond primarily to Carlos' post, but it applies to MJs as well. Guys, again, where is it that I am being fleeced? I am not being fleeced. MJ is at a disadvantage because he is not in MTY to enable him the ability to conjure up false accusations based on his actually accompanying me in the clubs, as Carlos does :D

You are at a huge disadvantage MJ, having only my drippy, ooozzzing, emotionally charged posts to draw upon. In that instance, I can understand your conclusions more readily than what Carlos is coming up with. Carlos, on the other hand, really has no excuse for his inadequate accusations. He knows me quite well, and he also knows that I have never truly been fleeced, nor can he produce an instance of it.

If spending money in the clubs is a fleecing, Carlos is as guilty of it as I am.

Lets take the Casino example Carlos...A guy who bar fines a girl one time, and never again, after seeing that she is not what he prefers, not necessarily claiming that she is a poor bar fine or terrible, because I did not say she was terrible, but simply one that does not really appeal to me, and my previously well stated preferences, is not a fleecing, not when he paid the standard going rate, was NOT charged extra by her for regular services, NOT cut short on time, etc...I don't have the time to invest like you do in determining the ultimate suitability of these girls. So, due to time constraints, it does cost me money to determine their suitability by cutting right to the chase with them, bar fining them while I have the opportunity and I am in town. However, I suspect that you probably spend about the same amount on your girls in drinks, determining their suitability prior to bar fining them, as I spent on them actually just cutting directly to the chase and bar fining them straight away. Again, it is a matter of opportunity and not a matter of failed strategy. If I had the time, as you do, I would possibly play it differently, or not...fact is I think we probably spend about the same either way.

Lets take the other example, the Beibis girl...do you mean to say that buying a girl one drink, talking to her a short time, less than a half hour, and then deciding not to bar fine her, is a fleecing??? Do you conclude that by my sitting in a bar that you have simply "heard" is not one of the best, but never directly experienced yourself, is a fleecing, even when I have directly experienced the bar, talked to the girl, interviewed her, interacted with the waiters, surveyed the general attitude of its customers, etc...and reported back that it has some possible potential? Where is it that I was fleeced? The drink cost was no different than what I routinely find at Casino, Harem, Pasarelas, etc...and I only bought one drink. THIS EXAMPLE IS HEREBY REJECTED CARLOS...you must resubmit to get a "D" on your report card. :D

Regarding Cindy #2, I have literally not seen her but one time for at least three years. And, I am fully aware that she does nothing, and I have not expected her ever to do anything for at least three years, and was genuinely glad to see her again. I enjoyed seeing her again. I liked talking to her. I expected nothing after having seen her most recently. It was entirely my desire to see her after she had been absent for so long. I did not even ask her on salida with me. I considered seeing her this trip, but after having sat with her last time, she did not enchant me like she once did, when she was 18 years old, hot as HELL, no kids, etc...I may still revisit her, just to check out the progress of her eventual decision to go on salidas. Because, in my estimation, she will eventually have to go that route or die a slow and painful death in the clubs as she continues to age. Besides, she has already offered to take me upstairs to the two hour privados for full service whenever I want. She just doesn't go on salidas. That usually means they have somebody on the outside that they are worried will see them engaging in that kind of behavior. I can have her if I want her. I just choose not to partake in services on-site. That is my right to decline services I prefer not to engage in.

Case in Point...The fact that I bought Cindy #2 a few drinks and talked to her is no more a fleecing than what you, Carlos, routinely engage in at Prestige and Obsession, on a weekly basis, sometimes buying your girls 3 or 4 drinks each and every week. I have personally witnessed you buying your former favorite at Prestige, the gay girl, drinks out the wazooo, primarily, you say, because you liked talking to her. Because, literally, you say, she would not do anything with you because she is gay, and that you are strictly friends.

I do not accuse you of being fleeced in those instances, I simply accept that you like the girl, and enjoy her company. But, if I do the same thing with Cindy #2, I am somehow being fleeced, the stupid Gringo, incapable of simply enjoying the girl's personality. Yet, when you do the exact same things, with girls that you anticipate no activity from, somehow it is perfectly acceptable.
THIS EXAMPLE IS HEREBY REJECTED CARLOS...you must resubmit a better example to get a "D" in your assignement.

Mill, as for your exploits, I accept your brotherly comments just as you intend them to be. But, my friend, honestly, if you are having those successes, they are not different than anything I am experiencing. There are NO incidents of my having been fleeced by any of these girls, certainly not anymore than the veterans that proliferate around me. If my comments seem that I am open to a fleecing, then it has not occurred in five years....The "mark" has to be open to being a "mark." I am not open to a fleecing. There is simply a point of intelligent restraint where logic overides their ability to fleece me. My emotions do not enter into that aspect of my intellect with them.

And, furthermore, MJ, I wish you did not feel the way you do about reporting your experiences. You are simply too self conscience about it seeming that you are bragging about your exploits. If your reporting your strategies and your exploits is "true," it is not bragging, it is reporting. Why would I doubt the validity of your exploits, or consider them some kind of bloated, self congratulatory endeavor on your part. I do not. I enjoy reading about them. They give us all hope, verdad?

Frankly, the instances for me that are successful with respect to hi-bred GFE are not common, only a few girls over the course of five years. It is out of the ordinary if you are able, through your strategy, to achieve that distinction with a few girls. We have different methods, but our methodologies are equally effective, just different. I don't see you being fleeced just because our methods are different, or I happen to articulate my affections for my best girls in the pages of ISG and you don't. And, unless Carlos can come up with some significantly better examples, I do NOT accept the premise that I am being fleeced either, or that I am in danger of being fleeced.

Read my individual words carefully in this following paragraph. I choose my words very carefully. They are written to convey a very specific thing with regard to your forming conclusions about what I am saying.

I have not been fleeced in five years, and my emotional angle with these girls has always gotten me more results than to treat them like they are hookers, and/or trying to play them all against one another. I suspect that you do not treat the girls, individually, like you refer to them in your reports to us. I suspect the girls believe you to be "sincere" in your affections for them even if they also know that you have others competing with them in the wings. Fact is, I think you are sincere with them in your affections in the "moment," just as I am. It is what cultivates GFE, not a directly confrontational Cabronish attitude designed to make them feel intimidated emotionally. But, I also suspect you are a very intelligent individual, and that even as you have emotional attachments to these girls in the moment, you are also intelligent enough not to act upon those emotions to the extent that you would be financially or emotionally damaged as a result of consorting with them.

To demonstrate my sincerity, I will relate a couple of instances where I was "fleeced...", but really these are not fleecings in the "con-girl" sense, they are examples of my being cheated by the clubs, not the girls.

When I first came to Monterrey, I attended the Poisson strip club, one of the upper level clubs, very expenisve place, and like an amateur Gringo, which I was at the time, I parted with $500 in one night, and realized at that moment that I had just been "fleeced." But, again, that is not a fleecing even in the sense that I was conned by a bar girl I was emotionally attached to. I was simply fleeced as a patron of the bar, charged huge amounts of money to partake in perfectly legitimate services where there was a schedule of prices posted for all to see. Again, I felt fleeced, but in the legal, and/or most certainly in the emotional sense, I was not really fleeced, verdad?

With respect to the waiters fleecing me several weeks ago in Pasarelas, with regard to bringing me the tab and not applying payments to the tab properly, I was cheated. I do not consider that a fleecing. I was simply cheated by them and had no video tape in which to demonstrate to them that I had already paid for two drinks. By the way, if I do run a tab, the waiters are very careful now to bring that tab to my table, show it to me, and to make every effort that I realize they themselves are not trying to cheat me. The honest ones (honest, right???), prefer that I not believe they would consider cheating me because they want to make their tips, and do not want me angry with them. So, after that last incident, they are careful to take care that I am not offended by their service at settling-up time.

But again, those are not incidents of having been fleeced by my emotional connections to my best girls. Where am I being fleeced by the girls that I am emotionally attached to?

Carlos says..."Again you quote that you get the best of them. The only one that has given you the best of her is the G girl and only cause she is a totally nice girl. Why? cause she is not the prettiest of the lot, she is the fairest of the lot. For those reasons she is rejected by the mafia of the divas even if she might make as much money as them.

Balogna...When I am out with my G girl, and she is sitting by herself, apart from me, hords of men break their necks to get a glimpse of her. I see the reactions she gets, and they aren't reactions given because she is being seen in the company of a Gringo. They are reactions where I am not around to influence those displays. From the "neck breaking" action, I can see that she is HOTTER than HELL!!!

Carlos says..."If she were part of them, you would be totally spent by now and still charmed by her enchantments."

I can assure you, I AM TOTALLY SPENT, and I am charmed by her enchantments. But, again, where have I been fleeced by her?

You guys are always saying "you're gonna this, you're gonna that, you're on the road to ruin, you're gonna take a fall," but it has not occurred in five years, and neither of you can produce an example of it having occurred, not even close. Again...Intelligent thought is what separates the "mark" from the "victim." But, even at that, my best girls have never even tried to run a game on me. Certainly, I see the normal bar girl range of strategies being applied. Do you mean to tell me that the girls do not try it with you, not at all, not ever, not even when they don't know you and you haven't established your superior strategy with them yet?

Certainly, anyone can be the object of criminal, violent attackes, such as kiddnappings, etc...those are real concerns, certainly. But, believe me, my trips into Colombia (the rebels), my trips to Indonesia, a haven for terrorists that hate Americans, those are dangers that are quite real. But, we all take risks. My present vocation has significantly more risk attached to it than I would ever encounter dealing with these amatuer bar girls. Carlos, you know the specifics of that.

I take a risk when I board a plane, especially these days as fucked up as the airlines seemingly are. I am surprised their aircraft are not dropping out of the skies like flies as screwed up as the airlines are.

Danger is all around us. But, each of us takes a measured gamble based on their own intellect and experience in life that serves to protect us to a certain degree from not only danger but fleecings as well.

Mill Just

09-03-07, 17:21

My "G" girl, and all the others, understand that they have competition. It's just that I deliver the message differently than you do, and with different props. Plus, I do not believe the proper strategy with her is to punnish her for a superior, gold plated, hi-bred GFE. Quite the contrary. I reward her with exclusivity because she is far and away better than all the rest.

Case in point, I recently showed my "G" girl photos of her competition in other countries, explained to her, with a significant amount of reminiscent nastalgic longing, the advantages to the average male in Asia versus Mexico. The next day, she literally made changes in her behavior that specifically addressed each and every attribute that I explained about the Asia experience. Her changes were noticeable changes that directly related to our conversation the day before. Honestly, bless her heart, she didn't have to change a thing. She is so far superior to her Mexico competition, on a par with at least the best in Asia, that I treasure her beyond all others.

You see MJ, you used the strategy that conveys to them that you have other girls in Morelia that you can go to. I use the strategy that I have other entire countries, superior venues that I can go to, and I have the photos to prove it, the finances to achieve it, and the experience traveling the world to engage in it beyond just making threats...

You see, that's where you show that, despite being a very intelligent guy, you really don't uderstand Mexican culture. There is no need to say anything to any of the chicas because word gets around. You will be surprised to see how fast word spreads from club to club, barrio to barrio. There is no need to make any threats at all. I treat all my chicas with class and dignity and respect, but there is a big difference here in Mexico between being a gentleman and being a door mat.

And I can promise you that your G girl does not take your A/V displays of chicas in other lands as an inspiration to provide better service. Such a display goes right over their heads.

And I never said that you are getting fleeced.. But in a sense you are because you are missing out on a what could be by working the way you do.

With all the time and money you have invested in MTY, there is no way that you shouldn't be pulling in your type of GFE by the fistfull. But you're going about things the wrong way. Maybe you're used to the submissive Asian who buries her head and, aside from never sharing her own opinion, never actually HAS her own opinion. Something like that poses no challenge and, thereby, no reward for me. It is boring. The Mexican girls give you some bite and make you work for what you get, but if you're not on your game, you will get eaten alive.

Again, its not the girls' fault in MTY if you can only find one girl to your liking...it's just that you are going about things in the wrong way. You are too quick to cut a chica as mercenary and a cold fish, when, as you said yourself, your G Girl was nothing special the first time you bar fined her. You need to work these girls over time to get what you want. I've only met a few hardened pros in my life who couldn't be softened up over time and with the right technique. However, as you said earlier, I've never personally mongered with you, so I could be wrong about all this. I only have Carlos and what you've written here to go by.

If you think that you're going to find a chica in Mexico like in Asia; a dumb, blank slate who will smell your farts and tell you they smell like roses, then you are mistaken. Mexican girls have more pride than that and they usually have just enough pride to make you work harder to deliver what they do. Now, if you refuse to roll up your sleeves and do that work, then its not their fault...

MonterreyDude

09-03-07, 20:53

OY!!!
I just read Mill's post, but I realized I had missed the part of USB post where he mentions that he showed the G girl pictures of her Asian counterparts.

USB: you showed G pictures of SEA girls?
I have told you many times that I have shown the club girls pictures of the Thai and Philipina girls and they see them as trash, as ugly girls, you don't even have an idea of their reactions when I mention how much is payed for their services.
This goes hand in hand with what Mill says, that they have their own pride and are happy as they are, and not to be compared as competition to SEA hookers.
Hell, they even got the notion that I went their a couple of times and they saw me as the walking death cause they already knew that BB is the norm over there.

G-girl must be proud cause she made you move UP the scale to her. She must think she rescued you from the hands of filthy dirty little brown girls.

You see, that's where you show that, despite being a very intelligent guy, you really don't uderstand Mexican culture. There is no need to say anything to any of the chicas because word gets around. You will be surprised to see how fast word spreads from club to club, barrio to barrio. There is no need to make any threats at all. I treat all my chicas with class and dignity and respect, but there is a big difference here in Mexico between being a gentleman and being a door mat.

And I can promise you that your G girl does not take your A/V displays of chicas in other lands as an inspiration to provide better service. Such a display goes right over their heads.

And I never said that you are getting fleeced.. But in a sense you are because you are missing out on a what could be by working the way you do.

With all the time and money you have invested in MTY, there is no way that you shouldn't be pulling in your type of GFE by the fistfull. But you're going about things the wrong way. Maybe you're used to the submissive Asian who buries her head and, aside from never sharing her own opinion, never actually HAS her own opinion. Something like that poses no challenge and, thereby, no reward for me. It is boring. The Mexican girls give you some bite and make you work for what you get, but if you're not on your game, you will get eaten alive.

Again, its not the girls' fault in MTY if you can only find one girl to your liking...it's just that you are going about things in the wrong way. You are too quick to cut a chica as mercenary and a cold fish, when, as you said yourself, your G Girl was nothing special the first time you bar fined her. You need to work these girls over time to get what you want. I've only met a few hardened pros in my life who couldn't be softened up over time and with the right technique. However, as you said earlier, I've never personally mongered with you, so I could be wrong about all this. I only have Carlos and what you've written here to go by.

If you think that you're going to find a chica in Mexico like in Asia; a dumb, blank slate who will smell your farts and tell you they smell like roses, then you are mistaken. Mexican girls have more pride than that and they usually have just enough pride to make you work harder to deliver what they do. Now, if you refuse to roll up your sleeves and do that work, then its not their fault...

Precocious One

09-03-07, 22:24

Member #3453

09-03-07, 23:20

Yeah!!!! Can you imagine that??? She did think my brown little bunnies were fea. Uhhhhhm...odd. :D Yet??? My little brown bunnies are HOT, HOT, HOT. I am incredulous...maybe even slightly offended. But...

The next day, she absolutely did everything that I told her my brown little bunnies are famous for with respect to attitude. Really, for a guy who doesn't understand Mexican girls, this one sure made some changes based soley on seeing those photos, and hearing my preference for an Asian kind of experience.

I only showed her because she literally begged me to see them after I told her I had some photos, and was just innocently telling her my past history with the 2,000,000,000,000,00000000 or more girls I have seen in my lifetime :D

I am not exaggerating, well, at least not about her reaction anyway. It was totally obvious to me that she was attempting to be everything to me that she may not have thought necessary before, just to make sure that I do not stray from her, that I continue to prefer coming to Mexico, and to see her over all the other options in the world. She didn't have to change a thing. She is perfect in every way, and I was merely humoring her desire to see them, and to talk freely about my past experiences.

I will relay it in more detail if you guys want to hear more. But, you and MJ are wearing me down. You are taking advantage of me, I am sick from El Gripe, and haven't the energy to respond with the full force of my literary abilities...

Oh, what the hell, I probably don't really disagree to much with what you guys have to say, except to say that my methods are perfectly successful for me, and that I get all the GFE I care to enjoy at this juncture.

As for expenditures, hell, I don't spend anymore than anybody else, I spend less. The cost of travel is not really something that you guys should be factoring in there. You don't have that looming over your heads, and I do. I mean, comon' you guys know my track record, hugely excessive numbers of hours in exchange for comparatively less paid almost each and every time. Why are you telling me I should be tearing it up more easily when I am only on the ground there for a few days a month. You guys live there for chrys' sake. :D GET REAL!!!

Now, my beatiful Angel texted me a few minutes ago, and she tells me she is coming down with El Gripe too...

NO doubt, her tongue was in the back of my throat most of last week :D

Well, the silver lining is, she will likely not be at work, just what I prefer to see...and, if she does go in, she will spread the dreaded plague to all those MFs in her bar...hahahahaha!!!

USB triumphs again, this time through biological terrorism.

So, Carlos, literally, if you see her in the bar this week, avoid her like....well, like the plague.

But, really, Awww, in all sincerity, I hope she feels better soon. She is so precious. :D I love her so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OY!!!
I just read Mill's post, but I realized I had missed the part of USB post where he mentions that he showed the G girl pictures of her Asian counterparts.

USB: you showed G pictures of SEA girls?
I have told you many times that I have shown the club girls pictures of the Thai and Philipina girls and they see them as trash, as ugly girls, you don't even have an idea of their reactions when I mention how much is payed for their services.
This goes hand in hand with what Mill says, that they have their own pride and are happy as they are, and not to be compared as competition to SEA hookers.
Hell, they even got the notion that I went their a couple of times and they saw me as the walking death cause they already knew that BB is the norm over there.

G-girl must be proud cause she made you move UP the scale to her. She must think she rescued you from the hands of filthy dirty little brown girls.