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Sorry to hear that, Kid. When I was there in March, Smiley's still had two good-looking D-cuppers - no silicon -(600k each) but perhaps they moved on. Has anyone seen any big boob girls in HCM lately? I'll be there again in March 2010.Thanks.
Sorry, can I ask: 600k each for what type of service?
BJ?
ST?
LT?
Those prices don't seem possible for ST or LT at a place like that.
True, W, but in one case you are talking about 280k including hotel ST and in the other you are talking about 1.4million + hotel (1.7m at least). It's like observing that Lexus are usually more comfortable and less likely to break down than a Kia.
JD
True, JD. ;) I guess if you are the type who can do without for awhile between visits, might be better to opt for the high end. I'm that type. I have to say, I had plenty of miserable experiences with the low-enders -- when that happens it just feels like a total waste of money/time/effort, leaves me with a siht feeling afterwards. Have actually had some good ones, but just too few and far between -- and the sum overall total in the end is mosty that same feeling. For me at least. And I just can't get into it for the under-8's.
i was feeling bored so i went to 91 hbt for a bit of fun, not necessarily for some sex. again plenty of hot girls. i chose a tam. could be the same one nice assets she had, 20 yrsa old. reckons she is saigonese and lives with parents, and her mom picks her up from work so can only go short time, didn't get much groping and she kinda turned sour when i tried to get a few kisses and a feel of what i was hgonna get. not sure how it works in otehr bars but no make out session for me. i suppose a session at ythe bar is only 150-200k for them, but if they get a st or 2 thats 1 mill each time so they not keen on long sessions in the bar as that not where the money is. but definately unless you lucky no make out or much sexual contact ie no hand up dress es unless you borderline [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). i tried also saigon ny and apple bar. not very attractive girls there.
ugh, sorry, long post back to you on this just got devoured by my browser. later on that one, have to get some work done. much more is possible than what you got there. luck indeed. have to try to resist the temptation to label a place based on a bad experience (or vice versa) cuz eventually the opposite happens. anyway, more on that soon. my recent bar visits have been pretty stellar, i have to say. 91 and others.
The simple reason why these girls don't really want to service Viet Kieus is because of economics. To the average VK 1.7mill for a ST thing is totally overpriced. A lot of the local clubs/bars that VK go to, there are girls readily available for 1mill. So when a VK goes to 91 or the likes and hears 1.7mill, they just laugh or try to haggle.
To the girls and owners, this is bad for business. That's why they don't really welcome Vk or even local VN for that matter. They'd rather stay in the business of overcharging farangs.
I asked a few of the HBT girls I know about this issue. They said they are not allowed to service Viet Kieu (bar 91 & 35). They said this is mainly because of the police. They said the police cannot always tell the difference between a local Viet and Viet Kieu. They also said Viet Kieu have a tendency to cause trouble (whatever that means).
I had a feeling it was something like that.... Two years ago i had No problem picking up any of girls there. Well now i just have to adjust my tactics and speak more english and less viet. And to think, i even started to question my good looks!!.... j/k Thanks everyone for there help and input!!
I had a feeling it was something like that. Two years ago I had No problem picking up any of girls there. Well now I just have to adjust my tactics and speak more english and less viet. And to think, I even started to question my good looks!. J/k Thanks everyone for there help and input! me and a mate went the other night to 91 and bar 29 (on dong khoi) and were repeatedly told the place had 'no tables left'. We were like WTF and were pretty pissed when they let us in after an american friend showed up.
Apparently it is because they can't tell if we are real foreigners or undercover police. So I don't think its a prejudice thing, they're just covering their backs. Still, its wrong for them to do this and I'll never be going back to places that only cater to tourists as I know for sure the service level isn't going to be above average.
I'll never be going back to places that only cater to tourists as I know for sure the service level isn't going to be above average.
Um. How can you know for sure? You said you didn't get let inside. I understand, your emotions are talking here. More venting than anything. Understandable though. I'd be pissed too.
Give this thing time to pass, it's a recent development and will fade away in time.
But a quick fact check: They don't cater to tourists, they cater to foreigners, big difference. Mainly expats and foreign businessmen, and tourists less so. As for service, well, I wish there were other spots with service as good, and if I heard of some I'd go there immediately. For a good balance of quality, reliability and convenience at a price that's not outrageous, these places are about the best in town.
i had a feeling it was something like that.... two years ago i had no problem picking up any of girls there. well now i just have to adjust my tactics and speak more english and less viet. and to think, i even started to question my good looks!!.... j/k thanks everyone for there help and input!!
heh heh. you could always say you're from hong kong and pretend not to understand vietnamese at all. ;) repeat after me: sin loy. ann kong* hyoo. dew yew speek inglish?
* pronounce as in king kong, not as in comb -- so they know you've only read it in a guide book. say everything real slow, one word at a time.
Um. How can you know for sure? You said you didn't get let inside. I understand, your emotions are talking here. More venting than anything. Understandable though. I'd be pissed too.
Give this thing time to pass, it's a recent development and will fade away in time.
But a quick fact check: They don't cater to tourists, they cater to foreigners, big difference. Mainly expats and foreign businessmen, and tourists less so. As for service, well, I wish there were other spots with service as good, and if I heard of some I'd go there immediately. For a good balance of quality, reliability and convenience at a price that's not outrageous, these places are about the best in town.We did get let inside eventually and I pressed the manager why this was the case originally, one excuse was 'the door guy is new, he doesnt know what's going on'.
My post was to warn viets that this is whats going on, they can do whatever they want with the info.
As for places that cater to foreigners only, I thought it was fairly obvios to avoid these places. Its my judgement that places that dont cater to the domestic market, will always be more expensive, without the corresponding increase in quality. Mainly because they know they can charge those prices and because some foreigners will not be so picky about the price difference between a few 100K. This is the reason I'm on this forum, to find places where the locals go, and arent ripped off for the same quality.
Anyways, one night of exploreing and I now know how these places operate and wont be coming back. Why spend 1 million on a ST and Bar fine and drinks, when you can go to a club in D5, D3 and get the same for a LT.
These places do have some benefits, but I can't argue that they're not expensive. You win that one hands down.
I'm much too busy (work) to post anything long right now, but will in future if you did want to hear more. Whether it's obvious to avoid them, well if you dont' want to go to expensive places then yes. Totally. If you do want to splurge a bit and have everything-in-one-place with a quality lineup to choose from, then these are ok for that. I at least haven't found something similar elsewhere in HCM at a comparable price. And there's places way more expensive than these.
Anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about what you found in D5 and D3, and how it works there.
Actually, maybe I'll post a description of a good HBT experience so we can compare notes. What do you think?
(but must catch up on my work first)
Went to Smiley's last week. It's been a while but my friend was in town and I decided to stop by and boy the talent there was not very good at all. Geez, it was quite. Bad. Before I walked in I saw this older looking gal in her mid to late 30s dressed in a business suit walk in. When I got into the bar, she had changed into a short dress and looked like an old middle aged women in a dress too short for her. It just didn't work. The other girls there looked older or too bored, and what the heck happened to all the free cleavage show? Guess many of those girls are gone now.
Went to Smiley's last week.
I've never gotten what the appeal of that place is. Haven't seen a looker in that place in....
...ok I think I've never seen a looker in that place. Just never ever gets fresh talent.
These places do have some benefits, but I can't argue that they're not expensive. You win that one hands down.
I'm much too busy (work) to post anything long right now, but will in future if you did want to hear more. Whether it's obvious to avoid them, well if you dont' want to go to expensive places then yes. Totally. If you do want to splurge a bit and have everything-in-one-place with a quality lineup to choose from, then these are ok for that. I at least haven't found something similar elsewhere in HCM at a comparable price. And there's places way more expensive than these.
Anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about what you found in D5 and D3, and how it works there.
Actually, maybe I'll post a description of a good HBT experience so we can compare notes. What do you think?
(but must catch up on my work first)
I am also interested to hear about places in D5 and D3.
Went to Smiley's last week. It's been a while but my friend was in town and I decided to stop by and boy the talent there was not very good at all. Geez, it was quite. Bad. Before I walked in I saw this older looking gal in her mid to late 30s dressed in a business suit walk in. When I got into the bar, she had changed into a short dress and looked like an old middle aged women in a dress too short for her. It just didn't work. The other girls there looked older or too bored, and what the heck happened to all the free cleavage show? Guess many of those girls are gone now.
Smileys has another bar now around the corner on Thi Sach and the younger fresher ones seem to have gone there. I hate going into Smileys and seeing the same old hags and the same hag as before wants to claim you as her own.
I am also interested to hear about places in D5 and D3.
I wouldn't hold my breath. I think Rokraida just came in here to quickly lodge his complaint, post a vague and very dubious tease-report, and then take off. But let's face it, we already know there's nothing like those places in D5 or D3.
I won't say that every trip to a HBT bar is going to result in paradise, but it sure will sometimes. And I don't know any other place in HCM that does. Rokraida seems to be gone, but the challenge stands: if anyone knows of a place in HCM that can compare in quality/service to these bars, please do share. Mr R didn't get to enjoy what those places offer, so he has no way to compare. But I strongly doubt he found anything in D5/D3 that are in the same category.
If you're the type who's going to balk at paying a 100K tip, or worry about paying for two or three 50K lady drinks, you probably shouldn't go. If you consider the standard price should be what you'd pay at a cafe om or to a motorbike girl, and more than that is a ripoff, then don't go to these places. On the other hand, if you're the type who can go with the flow (see above), enjoy being alone with a pretty young girl who'll let you take things further and further, and want the options of in-house (usually BJ only--but not always) or takeaway on the menu whenever you want, these places fit the bill.
Mash Potatoes
11-26-09, 09:52
[QUOTE=Wendella]I won't say that every trip to a HBT bar is going to result in paradise, but it sure will sometimes. And I don't know any other place in HCM that does. Rokraida seems to be gone, but the challenge stands: if anyone knows of a place in HCM that can compare in quality/service to these bars, please do share.
Both parties have their points of view. It just comes down to what 'mood' you're in. There is no denying that if you are willing to spend about 1.5mill on an evening's out entertainment bill, then either one of the HBT bars or a Bar/Club/discotheque in D5 would ensure very similar results.
However, the HBT bars are a different set up in that it's a 'chat' bar, get to know, touchy and then strike a deal type places. (no doubt following the BKK & Manila kind of establishments). So if you're not in the mood to dance and parade around at a disco, then this is the place for you.
The Discotheques are loud, brash and tiring. You need to be in a more upbet mood and pace. Go in buy a few drinks, get eye contact and seal the deal. But these places are very loud and to some, uncomfortable.
So it really depends on the individual.
I agree, you would be pretty hard pressed to find establishments like the HBT ones' in D5/D3, that operate in 'exactly' the same method. There are however, a lot of local bars/restaurants that have low dressed waitresses to talk to and strike bargains with.
Went to a KTV joint in District 5 (or what I understood it to be) taken by friends who are living in the city since few months.
The place is in a 6 storey building known as Jade Hotel, hosting also a foot massage (?) at the ground floor. The location is run by a taiwanese.
We go up to the 5th floor and greeted by the manager who shows us our room: well lit (maybe dimmed later? ehmm no!), full glass see-through door (bad sign), usual couches and low tables set up. Drinks are brought in and quickly a young and nice looking mama-san steps on. She looks quite young, seemed more one of the possible hostesses if not for the dress, the radio and the firm standing attitude of someone knowing her business. A flow of some 20 girls, all in the range of 7 to 9, evening dresses quite revelaing their curves.
Some had clearly enhanced breasts but nice to see.
A few speak english too and I pick up one with nice attitude, great C cups with no bra (the thin dress revealed that), 28yo named Phuang.
The evening flows as any 'normal' KTV: singing and drinking, playing dices. Bit of flirting from the girl, easy to touch, she is teasing a bit and reveals she does not like big dicks as she is tight down there, informing she is nrealy fully shaved. Definetely trying to raise the interest for something more, ie coming along to the hotel for some real fun. I could play a bit with her tits and body, light kissess, and appreciate the dental floss g-string she worn
I know my hotel seems to be a 'red' on this after 9pm, so I apologize, show deep interest but...no chance. Hoping she suggested we could use the 6th floor hotel room. No signal, bad signal. I tried a couple of times to make he runderstand that if onloy a room was available.... useless.
I did not want to push the issue with my friends as they are also business partners and collegues.
They did not seem also interested to take any back as is rather comoplaicte at their end.
At appr 11pm the girls excuse themselves as they have tochange into "plain clothes" (the rule is that by 11 the dress normal as at midnight all closes). "My girl" asks me to wait for her (why should I go away?). When she comes back, still nice looking even in plain clothes, my friends are settling the bill and she asks me to tip her. With no local cash and not willing to be fooled (usually it is p4p, not p4nothing!) I tell her my friends will take care of her. She looks sad and says; they do not pay much! ah ah Now I know why she told me to wait for her! hoping I was an ATM. She takaes the miney from my host, a light kiss and off she goes: mission (her) not fully acomplished (not grabbed money from the foreigner), no reason to stay longer.
Whatr would have happened if I took her back to the hotel (supposingly it 'd be green?)..ehmm another of those viets experiences I had not long ago in KL and Singapore, where a ST is nearly take the money and run?
On the other hand I have to say she was pretty fluent in eglish, a good evening partner, no complaint.
This ends my short HCMC first experience.
I wouldn't hold my breath. I think Rokraida just came in here to quickly lodge his complaint, post a vague and very dubious tease-report, and then take off. But let's face it, we already know there's nothing like those places in D5 or D3.
I won't say that every trip to a HBT bar is going to result in paradise, but it sure will sometimes. And I don't know any other place in HCM that does. Rokraida seems to be gone, but the challenge stands: if anyone knows of a place in HCM that can compare in quality/service to these bars, please do share. Mr R didn't get to enjoy what those places offer, so he has no way to compare. But I strongly doubt he found anything in D5/D3 that are in the same category.
If you're the type who's going to balk at paying a 100K tip, or worry about paying for two or three 50K lady drinks, you probably shouldn't go. If you consider the standard price should be what you'd pay at a cafe om or to a motorbike girl, and more than that is a ripoff, then don't go to these places. On the other hand, if you're the type who can go with the flow (see above), enjoy being alone with a pretty young girl who'll let you take things further and further, and want the options of in-house (usually BJ only--but not always) or takeaway on the menu whenever you want, these places fit the bill.Sorry, I dont visit these forums everyday. Good thing you didnt hold your breath as I dont know of places like the HBT bars in D5 or D3.
What I was referring to was getting either same quality for less or better quality for the same price. I am mainly referring to girls in small bars/clubs in D5, D3 and Tan Phu. They dont work the same as the HBT bars. Clubs like '4 in 1', Club 2000, Ozone, and clubs in the 'fire' street in Tan Phu.
Yes, you are right the HBT bars are no frills, come in, see what is on offer and take what you want. Its great if you dont have time and want something right away.
I didnt come on to lodge a complaint as you suggested. I came on to inform other viets of the situation of the HBT bars. It was the first time I went and I posted my observations. Sorry if my original post seemed like a complaint.
Another point re the HBT bars, they seem to me like tiring, seedy places. The girls look like hardened prostitues who know how to squeeze every little bit out of you. They also have the 'abused sex slave' look - a real turnoff. But again, only my observation. Others may think otherwise.
There are however, a lot of local bars/restaurants that have low dressed waitresses to talk to and strike bargains with.
On a good night at some of these bars, you can get just about anything right there in the bar, no need to barfine. Touch anywhere. Grope to your heart's content. Makeout session with her top totally off. Sucking the breasts. This is what I'm talking about. I think some bia oms will allow you to advance this far too, not sure. Haven't experienced it first hand. And most of these bars have on-premises action a step further at around 500-700K, and a couple have the full 2 steps further (800K or more), if you know what I mean. You have to keep at it a bit til you find the right one who'll do all this -- so a bit of luck involved. But when it's good, it's really good. So if you're focused solely on FS back at your hotel, well, that's just one aspect of these places. As far as I can tell, they provide this other aspect I'm talking about that no other type of venue does. And it's one really nice aspect. Keep in mind, if you have a session like this there at the bar, you only need to pay for the drinks tab plus a tip to the girl. For a top notch session like that, I might tip 150-250k. For one that's ok but leaves me not blown away, 100-150k depending how good it was. For a disappointment (just talk, nothing touchy, girl standoffish or unappealing), probably 50k-80k.
Mash Potatoes
11-29-09, 04:56
For the sake of it I went down to #91.
Out of the 15 or so girls on shift that night, I'd rate a good 10 of them for looks. The quality was much better than other bars. The bar itself has been cleaned up a bit since I was last there, a little bit less 'dirty' if that's possible.
Sat down and immediately one girl came up. Didn't like so another one took her place. Wasn't too keen either so she offered to line all the girls up. Settle for Ms Diao.
Kinda lively girl about 5ft with over proportioned silicon breasts for her size. Did the usual chat, bida and beer thing. After a while settled on the ST rate, then of to the mini.
Wasn't really a firecracker in the sack more like a sparkly stick, quick to light then fizzles out. The damage was as per standard rates.
What I have to mention about these places is that they seem to have a lot of girls pass through them. And I wonder how these girls pick up the english skills if they've just 'arrived' in HCMC?. But all in all, most of the girls looked a little bored and were stuck there doing their jobs.
I would guess that you'd need to be a regular to know the 'fresh' young one's that are probably more willing. The girl I chose had been there for a year, so the jaded feeling was creeping into it.
As past members have pointed out, these places are not for everyone and every budget. It's a once per month 'slurge' thing which probably best suit a day when you've had the shits at work, and just want to down some beer and a girl. The convenience is there.
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MutantChicken
11-29-09, 16:53
On a good night at some of these bars, you can get just about anything right there in the bar, no need to barfine. Touch anywhere. Grope to your heart's content. Makeout session with her top totally off. Sucking the breasts. This is what I'm talking about. I think some bia oms will allow you to advance this far too, not sure. Haven't experienced it first hand. And most of these bars have on-premises action a step further at around 500-700K, and a couple have the full 2 steps further (800K or more), if you know what I mean. You have to keep at it a bit til you find the right one who'll do all this. So a bit of luck involved. But when it's good, it's really good. So if you're focused solely on FS back at your hotel, well, that's just one aspect of these places. As far as I can tell, they provide this other aspect I'm talking about that no other type of venue does. And it's one really nice aspect. Keep in mind, if you have a session like this there at the bar, you only need to pay for the drinks tab plus a tip to the girl. For a top notch session like that, I might tip 150-250k. For one that's ok but leaves me not blown away, 100-150k depending how good it was. For a disappointment (just talk, nothing touchy, girl standoffish or unappealing), probably 50k-80k.wendella, you answered your question your self. Bia om in q3 and d5 are a better option than hbt bars. Then only decent bar with attractive girls are those found in bar 91. And like rokraida said, they all seem hardened. Maybe I'm not so forceful, but I can't see how I can get anything more than a few peck like kisses, maybe if I went there more frequently, but with a see through class window, and not much privacy can't seee how the girls would be willing to go further, my impression is that the girls use the time in the bar to score a st at 60 bucks each, and if they get the feeling you are not going down that path, they ice up.
My experience is that the HBT bars are a bit more hit and miss than Wendella seems to be saying. I have never had anything nice happen in 35 and usually in 91 I take my selection upstairs for some strip pool.
I actually find the selection at Coco (new Smiley bar) to be better and the pool tables are better. I agree that the stock at Smiley's is getting a bit tired.
If I am in the mood to buy I will often go to Bar 29 and ask the mama for something fresh and new. Same with mama at NY Saigon.
A while back JD mentioned a place on the corner at the river end of Dong Khoi across from the Majestic. There is a simple coffee shop by day but last night I noticed shutters were up and neon lights advertising a place called "Pink" with a few cuties hanging about. Anyone know what gives here?
I did not go in because I was walking back to my hotel with a gal I met at the rooftop bar at the Majestic (pre-arranged) and I did not want her or me to get distracted.
OK I'm definitely with you guys as far as these places being hit and miss in terms of how far you can go. If you just go in and out, chances are you're not going to get the best that can be hoped for. The way it works is you have to make the rounds every once in awhile until you finally find the right one (looks + willingness). I'll say that in the past year I had a new girl, very cute and young, at 35 who took me straight upstairs for the topless makeout session on a mat. It was a very pleasant surprise. It does happen. Next time I went back she was gone. :( I had a similar exp with a superhottie at Quan Nho a few months back. Downstairs she had her butt pressed in to my little mister and would wiggle it back and forth... next we went upstairs and had lots more freedom up there... makeout w top down. Very very nice. One of the best girls all time (guaranteed long makeout session, totally free groping range, gorgeous girl) was at 91 but that was a few yrs ago. Overall 91 tends to be the coolest (most standoffish) in terms of how far the girls will go there-- but there's often exceptions. Often enough to keep me visiting. One of last times there got a new tall girl who took me upstairs, we made out and did body-to-body grind, basically humping while clothed, with my hands down the back of her panties inside... so... thats how far I get sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I've also gone there and sat on a stool a few feet away just finding out how many brothers and sisters the girl had -- she wouldn't go further than that. Hit and miss, definitely. Much more likely to hit at another place (if it's attitude you're after) than 91, but 91 has the lookers.
But what I mean about D5 and D3 -- is it poss to get these kinds of experiences in any places there? (I doubt it) I mean sure yes you can find cheaper ST and LT anywhere. But I wonder about where you can get stuff like this.
Suds, I NEVER see new ones any more in 29. You're lucky if you can. Not doubting you, just saying they're not there any time I go. Let's see... you get a call and get to meet them when they're new... and then they're gone forever never to be seen again. Some connection there? ;)
(teasing!)
But what I mean about D5 and D3 -- is it poss to get these kinds of experiences in any places there? (I doubt it) I mean sure yes you can find cheaper ST and LT anywhere. But I wonder about where you can get stuff like this.
(teasing!)Bia oms/karaoke provide exactly that. Grope as much as you like, some kiss, some let your fingers wander to the right place, some give BBBJ's.
Dirt Diver
11-30-09, 20:15
I am considering a trip to VN and will probably stay in HCMC. Anyway, I've never been and I appreciate all of the posts. Good, helpful information.
It sounds pretty cheap to monger as well as to eat and drink. I'll be sure to post my results if/when I go.
Thanks!
OK I'm listening, guys. Maybe you're right. But "Bia oms in D5 and D3" is a bit vague as info sharing. Are there some that have an especially good lineup to pick from -- where you'd see about 20 there, most of them quite nice? But most important, there's dozens of these places -- and I'm sure some are better than others. And I have no idea whether any measure up in quality to 91. But mainly, to just say "bia oms in D5" is a bit general... too vague.
There's also the issue of the typical bia om scenario -- the opening of beers, the serving of fruit/candy/etc., all the people you have to tip... which if you're going solo, ends up being more (maybe much more) than the 300 or so you'd spend for a good session at 91, where I have 1 or at most 2 beers, she with her 3-4 lady drinks. Only tip her. Nothing gets opened.
OK I'm listening, guys. Maybe you're right. But "Bia oms in D5 and D3" is a bit vague as info sharing. Are there some that have an especially good lineup to pick from. Where you'd see about 20 there, most of them quite nice? But most important, there's dozens of these places. And I'm sure some are better than others. And I have no idea whether any measure up in quality to 91. But mainly, to just say "bia oms in D5" is a bit general. Too vague.Mate, I love your attitude. In that case, go to Fortune Karaoke on 700 Tran Hung Dao. Its mainly for foreigners, which is right up your alley.
(the internet really needs a sarcasm font)
Mate, I love your attitude. In that case, go to Fortune Karaoke on 700 Tran Hung Dao. Its mainly for foreigners, which is right up your alley.
(the internet really needs a sarcasm font)
Heh heh. Likewise. Sorry for earlier negative comments, btw. After so many days of no reply I got the wrong idea. Anyway, ok I haven't been to that one yet. I have heard of it, and know some who have gone. I have gone to some more for-locals bia oms with fantastic results. I hate that whole beer guzzle game they pull. No honestly it wasn't bad, but it didn't quite satifsy or give me the feeling that it might. But I haven't given it a fair enough shot, honestly, just a few very mediocre experiences. Anyway, Fortune... got it. Thanks. Seriously, though, we need to build a list of places outside D1. Fortune's a good start. I posted a list of the HBT's months ago... maybe will repost it (updated).
this is a round up of the girly bars down in the hai ba trung / le thanh ton area. i tried to do a stars rating (***) for each. if you have any updates or comments, pm or post those here. the stars are just my own opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt. everybody has their own taste. like i know sudsoz is a fan of coco and saigon ny, where i'm don't go to those 2 much.
hai ba trung area
thien loc, 23 hai ba trung. corner bar, billiard table. a few girls. very dark bar, which translates to the girls usually being willing to get quite frisky in the dark corners of the place. **
35 hai ba trung. small with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above in quality. a balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better. **
49 hai ba trung. fairly large bar, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35. **
51 hai ba trung. a bit smaller than 49. better than average selection and quality (more so than 49, imo). this one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. they also have 2 pool tables, one in back and another on balcony level. ***
91 hai ba trung. this bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger, taller -- hotter. it is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. ****
saigon ny -- small bar near the corner of dong du and hai ba trung, actually off hbt street. it's very friendly there, and girls are slightly below average (imo) in general. they're less pushy and usually more human than most of the bars though -- some girls wear ao dais. there's a pool table upstairs. **
apple bar -- across the street from saigon ny on dong du just near corner of hbt. small place and avg girls, from what i could see. *
dong khoi area
cafe 29 is at 29 dong khoi on the last block before the majestic hotel (near river). it has 2 levels and lots of girls, but in terms of looks they're usually nothing special. it is the one bar of all of them that offers the most in terms of customer service. there are couches upstairs and also a little private room in the back. **1/2
49 dong khoi is a depressing little bar way in the back and upstairs after walking down a long hallway. the girls are really not very pretty in this one. if this place has a positive attribute, i sure couldn't figure out what it was. " " (0 stars)
thai van lung area
smiley bar -- thai van lung street at intersection of cao ba quat (down street from where vasco's used to be). big bar, selection is slightly below average. upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. things get much more entertaining upstairs. my beef with this place is that it hasn't had a new girl in about 3 yrs, or so it seems. ones here seem to be a bit older than in most places. **
going up thai van lung, after you cross le thanh ton, there are 2 more bars:
the first one is called just "3" now. small bar, selection usually below average. " " (0 stars) (this one may have had its date with a wreckling ball recently -- looked permanently closed last time i passed -- not sure -- update needed)
on thai van lung near the corner of ly tu truong, at the top of the "hill" is a bar called chot nho. selection and quality here is usually below average. pool table and sofas in back. terrible layout, really hard to get a look at the girls, it's like they're hiding.*
coco bar is nearby on thi sach street, one parallel street over from thai van lung (at opposite end of the street apocalypse is located on). between a couple of japanese bars. seems average, smaller place. *1/2
le thanh ton
quan nho is a very small bar with just a few girls. sofas upstairs to spend time with your girl. tho few, girls here tend to be a step up, and the place is more expensive than most (beers 50,000 for ex) ***
bin bin is next, just across the alley. this bar has second most and second prettiest after 91. quality of the girls here is quite good, sometimes excellent. it has more floors upstairs for further entertainment. ***
tia to is a few doors up ltt street. small bar but with a few floors of japanese tables (sit on floor) or else one with 2 billiard tables and stools. things can get quite fun at this one. quite fun indeed. **1/2
i'd say the best of these bars (in terms of likelihood of finding a stunning girl) includes #49, #51 and especially #91 on hbt, and also bin bin on ltt. middle tier would be the smiley bar, tia to, quan nho, thien loc on hbt and maybe saigon ny. the rest are in the lower tier. they're usually disappointing with the very occassional surprise. 29 can sometimes make up for its shortcomings in other ways, but these days would probably have to go in the bottom tier in terms of looks/age. the bars on thai van lung, i wouldn't even bother with at this point. they're not even trying to get a good selection of girls in those places. one thing i'll say, the bars that don't get as many hot girls tend to be the wildest ones, and they do occasionally get hot girls. so you strike it lucky when that happens. one of the hottest girls at 91 used to work at cali (moved, renamed apple) for example. it's always worth taking a peek in to see what they have.
these places are great if you want to just go out by yourself and hope to hook up with a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without distractions. can have fun there or else more fun at your hotel. different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. some actually let you go as far as you want, right there. you can also visit these places with a group, and you can get a private room in many.
about prices, i always get beer in these places, and if so the price is 30,000 for the beer (sometimes 25,000 in some) and 50,000 for the 'lady drink'. (exception: quan nho charges more) she'll keep asking for more when she finishes one, that's standard. to take a girl out, you have to buy her around 6 drinks first (poss to bargain a bit), which can be just put on the bill even if they aren't actually drank -- its a barfine really. girls tend to ask for 1m for st these days, but can be bargained down to as low as 800. if they try to charge more for drinks, tell them you were just here last week and paid just 50,000 for lady drinks, or 30k for a beer. usually bartender will play it safe and back down to the real price. these places might attempt to charge more sometimes, i think due to getting lots of businessmen on expense accounts (japanese/koreans especially). if you insist on the correct price, they will eventually agree. speaking a bit of vietnamese would help too, but not really necessary. by speaking vietnamese, you just try to show you're an expat and not a tourist.
if you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality varies, day to day even. what's a great bar one week can decline quickly. also, if you get there late or right after a group of customers has arrived together, the pickings may be slim. everything fluctuates. every time you think you have it figured out, the unexpected happens. that's how these places are.
any questions, pm me. comments: post here or pm, as they say in the bars "up to you"
There appear to be lots of reports in D1 the Hai Ba Trung / Le Thanh Ton areas. All kind of bars with girls where the prices for either a ST or a drink for the girl are just astronomical.
Having been in HCMC myself just a short while, I would highly recommend GO2GO or the CRAZY BUFFALO in the "Pham Ngu Lau" (D1) area from 5pm onwards (every taxi driver in town knows PNL).
Have a nice drink, comfortable seats outside, watch girls passing by and not being hasseled at all. Loads of freelancers parading the roads, that are more then willing to sit down with you, having a softdrink or a beer for the same price as you bought your drink, having a casual chat with you for as long as you like and if you're up for it, take them home / hotel for 300 500K max.
There is no rush, they, both, "the Crackers as well as the Slappers" like to please you and do not mind to try multiple positions or your try-out your fantasies.
There appear to be lots of reports in D1 the Hai Ba Trung / Le Thanh Ton areas. All kind of bars with girls where the prices for either a ST or a drink for the girl are just astronomical..
One man's astronomical is another man's economical. If you like places on De Tham, go for it. All these places have their advantages and disadvantages. The world ain't black and white, especially this part of it. I agree tho that anyone who thinks 50,000 for a lady drink or 100,000 for a tip are unreasonable, the HBT bars are not for you. There's cheaper options around. There's certain nice features you might miss out on in those other places, but almost any place has its good points that might make up for it. Me, I don't dig the wham-bam-thank-you-mam style of a lot of the cheaper options, or else the non-sexiness (dresses, makeup, etc.) or overall prettiness factor of the girls (the cheaper you go, the fewer hotties per capita). I guess if you put in some time you can locate better ones in those areas. But that's a precious commodity for me at least: time. So for me the higher prices are counteracted by the convenience and promise of quality.
After my last business meeting in HCMC, a visit at Tien Loc at 6 pm: I am the only customer, plenty of girls, some of them of decent appearance including an old acquaintance, Tui. Petite with a firm body. She joins me for a drink at the bar, together with one of her friends. Ladydrink 50, 000 the or 2 EUR. Plenty of cuddling, kissing. DFK. Groping, laughter and chatting. All this to put you in the right mood. They invite me for a threesome at a nearby mini-hotel, but I decline. An hour and 6 lady drinks later (for the princely sum of 12 EUR) I invite Tui to join me at my nearby Hotel Riverside Renaissance for a 2 hour encounter. Barfine now the 350.000. And 1. 3 mil for Tui.
She registers at reception and leaves at the 9 pm time limit for visitors to the room. In all a very enjoyable 3 hours.
Just spent 5 days in HCMC. As an HCMC novice, I stuck to D1. I can confirm that bar 93 on HBT street has the best girls (in fact it was the ONLY bar I found with nice looking girls). Asking price was US$70 for the girl (or VND1M), $20 for the bar, $20 for the mini hotel, for ST. This is more than I was paying the previous week for those real stunners in Nana Plaza, and the girls in HCMC didn't come close to that quality, so I declined. As is the way of things, the girls in bar 93 didn't allow touching in the bar; the less attractive women in other bars (bars 35, 49, 51 and the rest) would have done, but I didn't fancy any of them. I like Vietnam, the food is great, it's generally cheaper for most things than Thailand, and I love listening to the girls speak (that language, it's great!). But for p4p, as most other people on this forum have said, stick to Thailand or the P.I.
I can confirm that bar 93 on HBT street has the best girls (in fact it was the ONLY bar I found with nice looking girls). Asking price was US$70 for the girl (or VND1M), $20 for the bar, $20 for the mini hotel, for ST. This is more than I was paying the previous week for those real stunners in Nana Plaza, and the girls in HCMC didn't come close to that quality, so I declined. I like Vietnam, the food is great, it's generally cheaper for most things than Thailand, and I love listening to the girls speak (that language, it's great!). But for p4p, as most other people on this forum have said, stick to Thailand or the P.I.
Good observations Yiddo. No need to break the price down, they do that for you to make everything seem cheaper, many guys do it as well so as to convince themselves that they did not spend too much. $110 is the price they wanted from you. Not a newbie (Viet Newbie) mongers paradise for sure. But if you are patient and give it some time, it's all here and much cheaper than that. Those places are tourist traps and every city has them whether for food or gems or souvenirs or girls, it's to be expected. Beyond being tourist traps however, they do serve a greater purpose and not just for the high profits their masters can earn. They help to reduce crime and hassles for visitors as Vietnam is full of touts and scammers looking to take advantage of the unwise or uninitiated. So although a visitor may pay his $110, he can avoid touts and potential serious trouble and that is good all around.
$110 is the price they wanted from you. Not a newbie (Viet Newbie) mongers paradise for sure.
Actually, if they asked for 1M VND, that's not $70 but about $53 (which cmon now, you do know). You can take the girl to your own hotel instead. Negotiate her fee a bit down from that opening asking price of 1M (you probly can get it to 8 or 900,000VND), and also see if you can get them to knock off a lady drink or 2. Usually they will. By the way, I've never heard more than 6 lady drinks asked for as the fee -- so that's 300,000 (not $20US), which is just $16. So as long as you've booked at a GF hotel, you're really talking about something closer to $60, or $70 max. Total.
Keep in mind, the cheap prices you get in the other kinds of venues, the same applies there where you need to 'know' the real price and bargain, and if you don't they'll try to charge you a higher foreigner/tourist price there too. Same goes here. So it's not a fair comparison to say it's $110 or whatever in HBT bars, based on the price a tourist gets offered as the obviously inflated price, and say that it's so much cheaper at the other places, quoting what you get as a veteran.
And of course there's another angle to be played at the HBT bars, which is to get their phone number and arrange a visit in their off hours -- then their price will be lower (as low as 500,000 -- and I have heard from someone recently that this is what he paid a girl who works at 91 bar, which is the same bar this guy was just talking about -- and she was one of the hottest ones there too). If you do it this way, there's no lady drinks or anything else to pay for. 500,000 is $26. I wouldn't claim that's the standard going rate for this way -- but I think 7 to 800,000 this way wouldn't be tough to set up.
In the end, yes the cheap places are cheaper than HBT spots, but not as much cheaper as the ones who rail against them make it out to be.
Anyway, it's fine and cool that you prefer the cheaper places and promote them. But I don't think there's any need to make the HBT bars sound more expensive than they really are by inflating their numbers, or pretending that the opening price quoted to a newbie tourist is what the real going rate is.
Spanish Main
01-11-10, 15:51
as someone who lives in spain - an eu expensive country - i am surprised as to the cost of p4p in vietnam.
i am looking to spend a few weeks somewhere hot this winter, but reading the reports, the cost of girls for such a low cost country is staggering to me.
for a gfe here in marbella, malaga in the south of spain, with a very pretty girl - maybe a tasty young latina, chinese or thai, i pay 30 euro for half an hour in house fs; one or two pops. all night is expensive at around 250 or 300 euro. recently i have paid 20 euro for 20 mins bbj and even 10 euro for a fondle and hj.
the place i go gives a free drink too.
naturally you can pay more, but in the recession that would be silly.
you can check out the prices at classified ads at sur.es (spanish) and surinenglish.com (english) to prove that i am not exagerating.
i thought that i would have to pay 30 euro (approx 44 us or 800.000dong) or so for the night, but it seems, with a bar fine, at least double that is normal. am i reading it right?
so, if any of you boys want to holiday here, let me know and i will show you around. cheaper fare and cheaper girls for you usofaers.; and everybody speaks your language!
Actually, if they asked for 1M VND, that's not $70 but about $53 (which cmon now, you do know).
Anyway, it's fine and cool that you prefer the cheaper places and promote them. But I don't think there's any need to make the HBT bars sound more expensive than they really are by inflating their numbers, or pretending that the opening price quoted to a newbie tourist is what the real going rate is.
I think the girl asked him for $70 and Yiddo miscalculated that as 1 million Dong.
On the rare occasion I have been in one or two of these bars recently, I spoke only in Vietnamese to the girls indicating I know my way around, and they told me $60 ST, $100 LT, $20 to the bar. I know it gets cheaper but I don't bargain sex prices.
I don't negotiate prices for sex. It ruins it for me. I go someplace where I know the price and then I pay it. I just hate the "how much" thing and totally avoid it.
SW get 200k usually unless exceptionally cute and then up to 300k.
Older ones get 100-150k.
BBBJ CIM gets 100k in D1 and DBP, 50k-60k in D7 except some nicer shops on NTT get 100k. Plus 50k to 100k to the house, that is their fixed price.
FSMP get 400k usually and sometimes 500k for nicer service, better looks, etc., never discussed beforehand.
I never ask any of these prices in advance. In FSMP and Hot Toc BJ there is never a need to mention price beforehand. On the street ALWAYS say how much you will give them before going off to the hotel and make it clear, pay them that after the act.
Wendella, I am willing to accept your argument that for savvy locals willing to discuss and negotiate prices with girls at HBT bars, the prices will be lower than that for newbies and tourists.
JD
I think the girl asked him for $70 and Yiddo miscalculated that as 1 million Dong.
Maybe. It wouldnt' surprise me.
On the rare occasion I have been in one or two of these bars recently, I spoke only in Vietnamese to the girls indicating I know my way around, and they told me $60 ST, $100 LT, $20 to the bar. I know it gets cheaper but I don't bargain sex prices.
I don't negotiate prices for sex. It ruins it for me. I go someplace where I know the price and then I pay it. I just hate the "how much" thing and totally avoid it.
Unfortunately it's necessary at some places -- such as these higher end ones. Or FL in discos.
SW get 200k usually unless exceptionally cute and then up to 300k.
Older ones get 100-150k.
BBBJ CIM gets 100k in D1 and DBP, 50k-60k in D7 except some nicer shops on NTT get 100k. Plus 50k to 100k to the house, that is their fixed price.
But in these places, don't you just pay those prices without discussing? If a new guy showed up explicitly asking how them much it was (Rookie Mistake #1), they wouldn't try to inflate the price?
I'll say this, even when I was brand new here, I had done a little bit of research to realize that I needed to bargain them down a bit, and yes also to know what the real going rates were. And if you're in a totally new type of place (like say, a bia om in Bien Hoa) you just don't know what the price is, so what to do then.
As someone who lives in Spain - an EU expensive country - I am surprised as to the cost of P4P in Vietnam.
I am looking to spend a few weeks somewhere hot this winter, but reading the reports, the cost of girls for such a low cost country is staggering to me.
For a GFE here in Marbella, Malaga in the south of Spain, with a very pretty girl - maybe a tasty young Latina, Chinese or Thai, I pay 30 euro for half an hour in house FS; one or two pops. All night is expensive at around 250 or 300 euro. Recently I have paid 20 euro for 20 mins BBJ and even 10 euro for a fondle and HJ...
Reminds me of one of my previous posts:
Gentlemen,
Interesting topic here but before this discussion spirals out of control, allow me to share my simple albeit crude theory on this. Let's call it Raverboy's Basic P4P Economic Theory, which states:
The 'market' rate for P4P in a particular city/country/region should be a function of the average income/salary for that particular city/country/region, expatriate salaries excluded.
Allow me to demonstrate examples based on my past experience and estimates:
Average income in the US: USD 45,000 / year = USD 3,750 / month
Average ST FS outcall (say 1 hr): USD 250
P4P Index (P4PI) = 250/3750 = 0.067 or 6.7%
Average income in Singapore: SGD 2,500 / month
Average ST in Geylang (non-brothel Thai FL): SGD 50
P4P Index (P4PI) = 50/3000 = 0.02 or 2.0%
Average income in Thailand: THB 12,000 / month
Average ST from a Sukhumvit SW: THB 1000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 1000/12000 = 0.083 or 8.3%
Average income in Indonesia: IDR 1,500,000 / month
Average ST from a Kota Brothel WL: IDR 250,000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 250000/1500000 = 0.167 or 16.7%
Average income in Vietnam: VND 2,500,000 / month
Average ST with a motobike girl in D5: VND 200,000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 200000/2500000 = 0.08 or 8.0%
Surprising, huh? So perhaps we're overpaying in Thailand and Vietnam, but then again with most of us being expatriate foreigners and all... a ST for us is far far less than the 8% of income for the average Thai or average Viet. We don't feel what the above results would lead us to believe... but IMHO interesting to look at it this way nevertheless.
Either that, or I'd try my damndest at getting an expatriate package to live in Singapore!
So we can add to that, thanks to Spanish Main:
Average income in Spain: EUR 25,000/year = EUR 2,083 / month
Average ST in Marbella, Malaga: EUR 30
P4P Index (P4PI) = 30/2083 = 0.014 or 1.4%
Not bad!
You also have to factor that US incomes have a lot more discretionary wages. That fuels our economy either through savings or consumer spending. In SE Asia, at the income levels you mentioned, there is no room for extra savings or buying things at the mall, etc. When mongers pay at the higher rate, the ladies probably use it to buy clothes, cosmetics, help a family member, etc.
It's well documented, that Phillipines GDP is enhanced to a great degree by cash remittances, courtesy of mainly mongers. Given that, there is no incentive for their government to seek to control sex workers.
You also have to factor that US incomes have a lot more discretionary wages. That fuels our economy either through savings or consumer spending. In SE Asia, at the income levels you mentioned, there is no room for extra savings or buying things at the mall, etc. When mongers pay at the higher rate, the ladies probably use it to buy clothes, cosmetics, help a family member, etc.
It's well documented, that Phillipines GDP is enhanced to a great degree by cash remittances, courtesy of mainly mongers. Given that, there is no incentive for their government to seek to control sex workers.
Yes, which leads to a greater spread for the 'average income' for the US. For each example, I'm just using what I think is the median figure, expatriate salaries excluded. I'm hoping to arrive at a comparative scale between the countries from the point of view of the average local joe. Of course, I'm just presenting a crude theory.
... I'm no Economist, really.
Lakeoffire1
01-15-10, 16:35
Average income in Spain: EUR 25,000/year = EUR 2,083 / month
Average ST in Marbella, Malaga: EUR 30
P4P Index (P4PI) = 30/2083 = 0.014 or 1.4%
The results is good but Raverboy, you probably overestimated the average income in Spain, it will be closer to 1000€/month..Anyway it's still a good score of 2,8%!
Anyone seen Tien (money) lately? She was working at Bar 35 but haven't seen her for a while.
But if you are patient and give it some time, it's all here and much cheaper than that. .
How much time and how much cheaper?
Thanks for your kind offer, senor:) Does Spain have any busty beauties? :)
you kidding?
In Spain, girls are born with D's
WalkingChina
02-16-10, 07:38
as someone who lives in spain - an eu expensive country - i am surprised as to the cost of p4p in vietnam.
i am looking to spend a few weeks somewhere hot this winter, but reading the reports, the cost of girls for such a low cost country is staggering to me.
for a gfe here in marbella, malaga in the south of spain, with a very pretty girl - maybe a tasty young latina, chinese or thai, i pay 30 euro for half an hour in house fs; one or two pops. all night is expensive at around 250 or 300 euro. recently i have paid 20 euro for 20 mins bbj and even 10 euro for a fondle and hj.
the place i go gives a free drink too.
naturally you can pay more, but in the recession that would be silly.
you can check out the prices at classified ads at sur.es (spanish) and surinenglish.com (english) to prove that i am not exagerating.
i thought that i would have to pay 30 euro (approx 44 us or 800.000dong) or so for the night, but it seems, with a bar fine, at least double that is normal. am i reading it right?
so, if any of you boys want to holiday here, let me know and i will show you around. cheaper fare and cheaper girls for you usofaers.; and everybody speaks your language!in china, bbs girls are $15 usd for st or $20 usd, but there are idiots that pay $50 usd. vietnam is a more deperate country than china, so you have got to be fucking retarded to pay $50 or $70 usd for st. where am i going wrong here? that is, totally agreed with this spaniard, why the hell do you pay more for girls in asia than in europe or us? guys, we need to think a little less with our peckers here please.
Apple Banana
03-02-10, 18:05
Did anyone notice that there are a good number of cafe oms in Hoc Mon district (particularly the highway street)?
I was on my way back from Cambodia and observed the above while on the bus.
Anyone can comment on this?
Also can someone comment on the "light color" coding scheme for hot tocs and cafes? (e. g., pink =?, blue =?)
Did anyone notice that there are a good number of cafe oms in Hoc Mon district (particularly the highway street)?
I was on my way back from Cambodia and observed the above while on the bus.
Anyone can comment on this?
Also can someone comment on the "light color" coding scheme for hot tocs and cafes? (e. g., pink =?, blue =?)
My main comment is that I also spotted those places recently from my bus on the way to Phnom Penh from HCMC. As for the color coding, the secret is this: whichever fluorescent lights were cheaper at the market that day they went shopping, that's the color they choose. I guess it could be some knida code but I've never heard of it. Doubt it.
I guess everyone is celebrating New Year's and no one is getting laid?
Yes and No. ;)
Also can someone comment on the "light color" coding scheme for hot tocs and cafes? (e. g., pink =?, blue =?)
Pink is for girls and blue is for boys?
this is a round up of the girly bars down in the hai ba trung / le thanh ton area. i tried to do a stars rating (***) for each. if you have any updates or comments, pm or post those here. the stars are just my own opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt. everybody has their own taste. like i know sudsoz is a fan of coco and saigon ny, where i'm don't go to those 2 much.
hai ba trung area
thien loc, 23 hai ba trung. corner bar, billiard table. a few girls. very dark bar, which translates to the girls usually being willing to get quite frisky in the dark corners of the place. **
35 hai ba trung. small with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above in quality. a balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better. **
49 hai ba trung. fairly large bar, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35. **
51 hai ba trung. a bit smaller than 49. better than average selection and quality (more so than 49, imo). this one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. they also have 2 pool tables, one in back and another on balcony level. ***
91 hai ba trung. this bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger, taller. hotter. it is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. ****
saigon ny. small bar near the corner of dong du and hai ba trung, actually off hbt street. it's very friendly there, and girls are slightly below average (imo) in general. they're less pushy and usually more human than most of the bars though. some girls wear ao dais. there's a pool table upstairs. **
apple bar. across the street from saigon ny on dong du just near corner of hbt. small place and avg girls, from what i could c. *
dong khoi area
cafe 29 is at 29 dong khoi on the last block before the majestic hotel (near river). it has 2 levels and lots of girls, but in terms of looks they're usually nothing special. it is the one bar of all of them that offers the most in terms of customer service. there are couches upstairs and also a little private room in the back. **1/2
49 dong khoi is a depressing little bar way in the back and upstairs after walking down a long hallway. the girls are really not very pretty in this one. if this place has a positive attribute, i sure couldn't figure out what it was. " " (0 stars)
thai van lung area
smiley bar. thai van lung street at intersection of cao ba quat (down street from where vasco's used to be). big bar, selection is slightly below average. upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. things get much more entertaining upstairs. my beef with this place is that it hasn't had a new girl in about 3 yrs, or so it seems. ones here seem to be a bit older than in most places. **
going up thai van lung, after you cross le thanh ton, there are 2 more bars:
the first one is called just "3" now. small bar, selection usually below average. " " (0 stars) (this one may have had its date with a wreckling ball recently. looked permanently closed last time i passed. not sure. update needed)
on thai van lung near the corner of ly tu truong, at the top of the "hill" is a bar called chot nho. selection and quality here is usually below average. pool table and sofas in back. terrible layout, really hard to get a look at the girls, it's like they're hiding. *
coco bar is nearby on thi sach street, one parallel street over from thai van lung (at opposite end of the street apocalypse is located on). between a couple of japanese bars. seems average, smaller place. *1/2
le thanh ton
quan nho is a very small bar with just a few girls. sofas upstairs to spend time with your girl. tho few, girls here tend to be a step up, and the place is more expensive than most (beers 50, 000 for ex) ***
bin bin is next, just across the alley. this bar has second most and second prettiest after 91. quality of the girls here is quite good, sometimes excellent. it has more floors upstairs for further entertainment. ***
tia to is a few doors up ltt street. small bar but with a few floors of japanese tables (sit on floor) or else one with 2 billiard tables and stools. things can get quite fun at this one. quite fun indeed. **1/2
i'd say the best of these bars (in terms of likelihood of finding a stunning girl) includes #49, #51 and especially #91 on hbt, and also bin bin on ltt. middle tier would be the smiley bar, tia to, quan nho, thien loc on hbt and maybe saigon ny. the rest are in the lower tier. they're usually disappointing with the very occassional surprise. 29 can sometimes make up for its shortcomings in other ways, but these days would probably have to go in the bottom tier in terms of looks/age. the bars on thai van lung, i wouldn't even bother with at this point. they're not even trying to get a good selection of girls in those places. one thing i'll say, the bars that don't get as many hot girls tend to be the wildest ones, and they do occasionally get hot girls. so you strike it lucky when that happens. one of the hottest girls at 91 used to work at cali (moved, renamed apple) for example. it's always worth taking a peek in to see what they have.
these places are great if you want to just go out by yourself and hope to hook up with a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without distractions. can have fun there or else more fun at your hotel. different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. some actually let you go as far as you want, right there. you can also visit these places with a group, and you can get a private room in many.
about prices, i always get beer in these places, and if so the price is 30, 000 for the beer (sometimes 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for the 'lady drink'. (exception: quan nho charges more) she'll keep asking for more when she finishes one, that's standard. to take a girl out, you have to buy her around 6 drinks first (poss to bargain a bit), which can be just put on the bill even if they aren't actually drank. its a barfine really. girls tend to ask for 1m for st these days, but can be bargained down to as low as 800. if they try to charge more for drinks, tell them you were just here last week and paid just 50, 000 for lady drinks, or 30k for a beer. usually bartender will play it safe and back down to the real price. these places might attempt to charge more sometimes, i think due to getting lots of businessmen on expense accounts (japanese/koreans especially). if you insist on the correct price, they will eventually agree. speaking a bit of vietnamese would help too, but not really necessary. by speaking vietnamese, you just try to show you're an expat and not a tourist.
if you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality varies, day to day even. what's a great bar one week can decline quickly. also, if you get there late or right after a group of customers has arrived together, the pickings may be slim. everything fluctuates. every time you think you have it figured out, the unexpected happens. that's how these places are.
any questions, pm me. comments: post here or pm, as they say in the bars "up to you"went to couple of hbt bars last nite. due to his star ratings, went to the bars at 91 and 51 hai ba trung (4 and 3 stars). the rating was right on. the girls were decent; overall better than the smiley bar i hit last year.
at 91 hbt, my tiger beer was 30k dong and the ladies drink was 50k dong. they said the room was just like the room downstairs; needed to pay the bar fine to take the girl out. just stayed for a quick beer. gave 100k dong for bar tab; female bartender didn't return change (i normally give small tip, but ask for entire change back due to her attitude). attempted to give $2 as tip to the girl (i did grab her butt), but she got insulted and demanded 100k dong as tip. left without leaving anything due to the bad service.
at 51 hbt, the tiger was 30k dong and the ladies drink was 50k dong. the bartender placed a small cup with peanuts and gum; didn't eat anything. when i paid 100k dong, he didn't give change; he said 20k dong for the peanuts; i said no and asked for change back. girl said bj was available in the pool table room. attempted to give $2 tip to the girl; she also got insulted and asked for 100k dong tip. left without leaving any tip due to the bad service.
at one of the bars (can't remember which one), the first offer was 400k dong for bar fine, and the girl wanted $60.
i wanted to have a beer, scope out the places, and come back for one of 'them. but their attitude turned me off. i will wait for angeles. cebu pacific was decent prices from saigon to manila.
but note that the girls were decent in those bars. they are better than the girls that hang out around pham nu lao who are asking between 500k and 700k dong.
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Went to couple of HBT bars last nite. Due to his star ratings, went to the bars at 91 and 51 Hai Ba Trung (4 and 3 stars). The rating was right on. The girls were decent; overall better than the Smiley bar I hit last year.
At 91 HBT, my tiger beer was 30K dong and the ladies drink was 50K dong. They said the room was just like the room downstairs; needed to pay the bar fine to take the girl out. Just stayed for a quick beer. Gave 100K dong for bar tab; female bartender didn't return change (I normally give small tip, but ask for entire change back due to her attitude). Attempted to give $2 as tip to the girl (I did grab her butt), but she got insulted and demanded 100K dong as tip. Left without leaving anything due to the bad service.
At 51 HBT, the tiger was 30K dong and the ladies drink was 50K dong. The bartender placed a small cup with peanuts and gum; didn't eat anything. When I paid 100K dong, he didn't give change; he said 20K dong for the peanuts; I said no and asked for change back. Girl said BJ was available in the pool table room. Attempted to give $2 tip to the girl; she also got insulted and asked for 100K dong tip. Left without leaving any tip due to the bad service.
At one of the bars (can't remember which one), the FIRST offer was 400K dong for bar fine, and the girl wanted $60.
I wanted to have a beer, scope out the places, and come back for one of 'them. But their attitude turned me off. I will wait for Angeles. Cebu Pacific was decent prices from Saigon to Manila.
But note that the girls were decent in those bars. They are better than the girls that hang out around Pham Nu Lao who are asking between 500K and 700K dong.
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Great report which perfectly captures the essence of the Vietnam sex scene for visitors. Cold, uncaring, unscrupulous people looking to cheat you, scam you, beg money from you in every way at every turn. Yes, on to PI and Thailand for real fun!
JD
Went to couple of HBT bars last nite.
Thanks for the compliment, and great report on yoru part. Just some comments: the tip you gave was toward the low end for what they normally get in those places -- for just a bit of grope, probly 50-80,000 more like it--their pay is the tips. Oh and about the candy/nuts -- when they put it out, you just tell whoever put it there that you don't want that, and they will take it back.
I know JD strongly dislikes these places, and we've discussed it and agreed to disagree so far -- I actually do like them because even though they are expensive, they are great for the groping game, which the cheaper spots in VN are really lousy at. Basically if you stay there and grope to your heart's content, with the right girl you can go just about as far as you can imagine minus of course the full deed (making out, fondling anywhere, etc), right there in the bar (have to find a quiet secluded spot) and it would probably cost you total around 300,000 (including tip). So if you're the type who gets into that portion of the festivities (like me) then this is the best bet in town for it. Can get same in bia oms but probably going to cost you more than that overall, and much much harder to control costs in that setting--bia oms prob most aggressive of any type of venue out there in terms of pushing extras and padding bills. You can pick up the cheaper girls around town, and JD's a strong advocate of that, but for those the payoff is gonna be the full deed itself and the gropy part is usually gonna be pretty crap or they'll even refuse to do it. Also you can compare the outfits: HBT bars have really sexy miniskirts and lowcut tops. The cheap girls wear jeans and a top, maybe even a jacket on top. As soon as you get in a room the clothes get whipped off in less than a minute. There's no drama in it, no buildup. To quote teh great David Bowie: Wham bam thankyou ma'am. Fiinally, there's the level of looks. Now I do partake of the JD scene too, so I can compare, probably better than he can since he avoids the HBT bars. But a place like 91, just about every girl in the place is hotter than anything you're likely to find at one of the motorbike pickup spots for example (or cafe oms or whatever). As said, there is the aggressive nature of trying to pad bills, get extra payment, but that's in all the scenes here. You have to learn to control it, and I can easily control the HBT bars' attempts at that, and I'm sure JD's excellent at controlling his scenes.
Anyway, that's my take in a nutshell. This is what's here. Definitely better in other countries, you get no argument from me there. Thailand of course. Even Cambodia. Dunno PI, haven't been there.
But for what is available here, well, JD rails against the HBT bars... me, I like them. He and I have different preferences -- in the kinds of girls we go for and in what we like to do with them. To me, I think these are all just different options that are out there, and I'm in favor of more options rather than fewer. The wider you spread your net, the more girls you will be choosing from, and in the end I think that will be more interesting than just focusing on a smaller segment.
in my roundup report, there were a few places included that no longer exist.
those are "tia to "and "3".
the bar called 3 was actually total crap and not worth a visit. in its entire existence i only ever saw one cute girl there on one night, and i wasn't able to stay that night so went back a few nights later and she'd already stopped working there. this was a bottom rung place from start to finish.
tia to on the other hand was excellent. for a long time it was devoid of anything special, just a smallish bar with a small collection of very ordinary looking girls. then suddenly it got some serious cuties. one was a tall thin modesque type girl, the kind you glimpse and just go omg. took her upstairs and immediately found out that attitude was excellent. what i also found out on that occassion, by accident -- well i asked her how much was it to go with her, and she said you mean hotel... or here? (this she asked hesitantly) and i zoomed in on that one and said... uh ok how much for here? 800,000 she said. i have no idea what this going to be, so i just go for it. she goes downstairs, comes back up and leads me up to the top floor which has those low japanese tables on straw mats. and that's it. sure enough we got down to business and it was indeed ft that was available on the premises. this is not common. actually in years before this it was only u2 bar (now 29) that offered this on premises. it was pretty uncomfortable, i have to say, the straw does a number on your knees.
ok so i ended up taking this girl out quite a few times to the comfort of my room, and she was top notch, possibly the best i've had in hcmc. (very gf experience -- loving bj's, warm embrace, showering together, she was fine with photos, everything) eventually she left that bar, and i got caught up in other things and wasn't able to see her again after that. she seems to be gone from the scene now, after a stint at 91 next. her phone # doesn't work anymore. too bad.
so... that's not the whole story. one time when i was there with my tall thin girl, i spotted another hottie there, this one with a kind of china doll haircut, quite thin with those very sexy sharp thin shoulders, gorgeous middle section, great shape. but it was verboten since my #1 girl was there. anyway, then... my girl left. so i stopped in one night to "look for her" (ok i knew she worked at 91 by this time) and took girl #2 instead. upstairs in teh pool room, she was even more excellent out of the box than #1 had been. making out within about 10 minutes on our first beer. hands everywhere, up her tiny skirt and inside that strapless top which i think was just a thin semi-transparent headscarf wrapped around and tied in front to be a strapless bikini-type top. dude. sexy. it was like, omg, now that is hot. and her miniskirt was also tiny and pulled down low, shakira style. (i'm getting hard just picturing it) (ok bowie again: my little china girl, you shoudln't mess with me, i'll ruin everything you are) well, after a half hr or so of getting me extremely excited, she then got around to asking me if i wanted to go to a hotel... i wasn't sure if #1's earlier offer was a one time deal, and i was thinking i was so hot for this right now that i'd rather not go to a hotel, but move on more quickly right here. so i asked her "can here?" and she hesitated, then agreed. upstairs we went. this time inspiration struck though. already realizing the terror of those straw mats digging into my knees and palms, i got the idea to put her on top of the japanese table, which had a lamp hanging donw from teh ceiling jsut above it. so i'm sitting on teh floor, and this girl is lying on her back on teh table in this super sexy outfit, with a kind of spotlight on her (and me in the dark nearby). she was like my feast in front of me. and i slowly started rubbing and touching every part of her, slowly unpeeling her clothes, then fnally digging in to devour her, my little dish. for anyone who goes for this foreplay part, on a scale of 1 to 10, this was 10. best ever. finally, she moved over to the floor for us to move to the next stage, but she took out some fabric and spread it on teh floor, knowing already about the straw mat issue, so that made this part a lot more enjoyable than it was with #1 up there. (also, turning on the ac was key -- upstairs was way too hot otherwise, ended up soaked in sweat by the end with #1)
so its months later now. #1 and #2 have both disappeared from the scene by now. sorry. and so has tia to now. the evening i rode by and saw that place shuttered up was a sad one. sure enough it got gutted a few days later and eventually turned into a japanese restaurant. some great great moments in that one. what a loss.
Sudsoz (or anyone else), are there any bars that are NOT in my list? I actually have Coco on there, I see. Any others? I have to say, I quickly visited the one at the end of Thi Sach (where it meets Ly Tu Truong) and that place is unbelievably horrible. Those girls should not be in this line of work. Very rough. That place is beyond hope now. Years ago it got a few cuties from time to time, and was one of the main spots. No more. Nevermore.
Explorerman
03-05-10, 08:07
Thanks for the compliment, and great report on yoru part.
But for what is available here, well, JD rails against the HBT bars... me, I like them. He and I have different preferences -- in the kinds of girls we go for and in what we like to do with them. To me, I think these are all just different options that are out there, and I'm in favor of more options rather than fewer. The wider you spread your net, the more girls you will be choosing from, and in the end I think that will be more interesting than just focusing on a smaller segment.
Agreed, and thanks very much for your survey. I've tried 1 on those place on HBT before, and will hang out more on other visits.
Much appreciated!
Basically if you stay there and grope to your heart's content, with the right girl you can go just about as far as you can imagine minus of course the full deed (making out, fondling anywhere, etc), right there in the bar (have to find a quiet secluded spot) and it would probably cost you total around 300,000 (including tip). So if you're the type who gets into that portion of the festivities (like me) then this is the best bet in town for it.
Anyway, that's my take in a nutshell. This is what's here. Definitely better in other countries, you get no argument from me there. Thailand of course. Even Cambodia. Dunno PI, haven't been there.If you like the groping scene of the HBT bars, then I would highly recommend Angeles.
I prefer the go-go bars of Angeles rather than Thailand because in Angeles, when you buy the girl a drink, she stops dancing. In Thailand after you buy her a drink, she has to go dance for half an hour during her shift, unless you pay her barfine.
In Angeles after you buy the girl a drink, all will allow their butts to be touched. Most will allow breast touching. Some will allow real fondling. Some will allow fondling, but will say I'm shy or In the hotel room. The percentages depends on which bar it is.
The prices are different. I have some money, but I travel on a medium size budget. Is the 300K dong including your drinks? Is that price for you or for all newbies?
I like to have 6 beers at 6 bars. In Angeles it will be 100-150 pesos x 6 + maybe 50 pesos x 6 (after 10 minutes some will ask for another drink, but I say I would rather tip you 50 pesos after I finish my beer in 5 minutes). Hence the entertainment charge will be between $13. $24.
In the HBT bars, it will be 300K dong x 6 = $80+. It sucks not to be a millionaire!
Some answers/comments from me.
Saigon NY - I use this one to provide takeout for any visitors to town since I have always found the quality and attitude of the gals to be pretty consistent. Sometimes I drop in and buy mama a drink just to stay in touch. There are at least 2 floors upstairs with billiard tables but not much happens in the bar.
Coco and Smiley - Both of these have at least 3 floors of tables and private rooms upstairs and the premises are pretty clean. At Smiley there are a couple of gals who always want to claim me and at Coco I can choose. I use these places for some play whilst waiting for a date to turn up.
On Thursday I was in Coco about 6.30 pm and selected Trung with nice natural tits and a backless tight dress. Over the billiard table the panties got dropped and the dress was off the shoulders and she was doing her best to distract my every shot in addition to the handjob between shots. Good fun but I doubt if would take her out because she was a bit too willing and not as natural as I like.
At 8.30 that night a young lady by the name of Nga from the Vung Tau golf club drinks stop came over to stay. Very plain but gorgeous body and enthusiastic in bed. She now has a factory job in Saigon and thinks that $150 per month is good money so I give her nothing more than VND200k for taxi money so as not to spoil her. And there are plenty more in the pond like her.
in the hbt bars, it will be 300k dong x 6 = $80+. it sucks not to be a millionaire!
are you mad? no no no no no. clearly some miscommunication happening here. 300k total. it is 30,000 for your beer (brand doesn't matter they charge same for all). it's 50,000 for her 'lady drink' (a very special traditional cocktail native to ho chi minh city whose exact recipe is kept secret but i think i cracked it by peering over the bar when i wasn't meant to and noticed as it was being made: it's a dark brown sort of bubbly liquid that they cleverly keep in a coca-cola bottle). so in one sitting, i'll have at most 2 beers. the girl typically will have 2 or 3 lady drinks. you reject any nuts or candy that arrive at your table (with a confident smile -- the smile crucial, the rejecting is). the rest is tip to the girl. i don't usually tip the bar tender or waiter or anyone, if i did it would be about 10,000 - 20,000. for the girl, depends on how much she put into it. 100,000 is a good 'standard' -- if they perform well above expectations, i have been known to go as high as 200,000 (which makes the statement: i definitely wanna have some more of that again--i love you-- marry me) but a decent session probably more like 150,000. these days 150,000 is just under $7 us. so its not exactly lifestyles of the rich and famous.
I like to have 6 beers at 6 bars. ... In the HBT bars, it will be 300K dong x 6 = $80+. It sucks not to be a millionaire!
Oh ok I see. You're a butterfly boy. Well, you really would want 6 different makeout-grope sessions with 6 different girls in one evening? What are you, Hugh Hefner? Me, I could see 2*... but after that, seems pretty over the top.
* ok I have seen 2
Oh ok I see. You're a butterfly boy. Well, you really would want 6 different makeout-grope sessions with 6 different girls in one evening?YES!
Wouldn't most guys reading this board want to fondle 6 different girls a night?
YES!
Wouldn't most guys reading this board want to fondle 6 different girls a night?
Maybe. Well, after about 2 my desire starts to turn into a need -- a need to take it up to the next level.
Wouldn't most guys reading this board want to fondle 6 different girls a night?
Speaking for myself I'd rather bang girls than sit in a bar/room and just fondle.
Speaking for myself I'd rather bang girls than sit in a bar/room and just fondle.
I'm with you Mik. Sitting in a bar with a wh*re in cheap clothes, buying her 2 or 3 worthless drinks at 50k Dong each, feeling her body in a public place and her returning the favor, then giving her 100k 'tip' for that is about the last thing in the world I want to do (with a girl). Even the thought of it turns me off. But I do of course understand that others like this and I am totally accepting of the 'different strokes for different folks' maxim.
I like to get a girl naked, clean, in a room, alone. I admire her and rub her body and she rubs mine. We suck and fuck. It feels good. If I picked her up off the street it is usually more a 'wham bam thank you ma'am' affair at 200k. Not always, there are surprises. If I am at FS Massage the girls are prettier and younger and very into GFE. I tip them 400k or 500k depending and 100k more to the house. It's a good time and a good value.
At a bar I would pay nearly the same for groping which is worthless to me. If I wanted something more, and I would, it's at least 500k for an upstairs BJ or 800k more ST. I agree many of the girls are attractive but it is some of the worst value in VN and indeed in all of SE Asia except Singapore.
JD
I hear ya. Both of ya. (and it sounds like you're hearing me too) And you know of course I like to "give my thanks" too, not just fondle. Expensive, agreed. But here's the thing: when I go to those cheaper spots (motorbikes, SW, cafe oms) I just do not often spot ones who make me WANT to "thank" them. I'm too picky. If I go to 91, it's almost certain I'll see at least something worth expressing my gratitude to. Plus yeah, I'm into fonding. If I go back to a room, I want to do some of that, and... the SW and motorbike girls are usually against it, get annoyed with it. Total turnoff. So yeah, if there were more hot girls in that scene, and they were more open to the kinds of things I like to do, I'd be way more into it of course. But... such a high % of disappointment when I go that route, most times I go check out those scenes it's just a quick run thru and I realize there's nothing there I'm interested in, so I leave.
Just thought of one more turnoff for me: the skanky hotel rooms they take you to. And the cafe oms are usually pretty grubby. If a guy can feel ok in those places, that's all teh better for him, but for me it douses the mood. Much prefer to enjoy the experience in a comfortable AC room on a real bed with clean sheets, a shower that has hot water, etc etc. Maybe watch some tv afterwards.
Yeah but with the HBT bars, as I head over there I feel like it's 80/20 I'm gonna get some satisfaction. If I head to XVNT street, for example, I feel like it's 1 out of 10 or something I'll spot something worth pursuing.
Btw I have not checked out the place you referred to where you tip 500K -- and I do know where you mean, and we shd probably only share those details by PM (a lot of people want us to be discreet with that info). Maybe that's the cheaper alternative for a guy like me. I really should go check that out. Procrastinating.
Different guys - different strokes. Same guy - different day - different stroke.
Variety is the spice of life.
But I do prefer to bed them all night in my bed.
Just thought of one more turnoff for me: the skanky hotel rooms they take you to.
Never go to a hotel that a girl takes you to. Especially a girl that you met on the street. Always have your place or places pre-selected. On the street they will tell you it is 100k for the room and then go to a place where it is 40k. Skanky. In the bars they will tell you the room is $20 and then take you to a place where it is actually $10. Not so skanky.
JD
Went to couple of bars several days ago.
Cafe 29 (29 Dong Khoi): Only several girls present. Girls were yucky. Had half a beer and left; maybe the cuter girls were upstairs.
Smiley Bar (Thai Van Lung Street): Ordered a beer (40K dong). 2 ladies drink (at 50k dong a piece). Remembered why I don't like the hostess bars and massage parlors in Vietnam; if you don't agree to their price, they never shut the fuck up! As I left, I offered them 50K dong. If they were going to give me any lip, I was going to leave without tipping. But then they said thank you. Darn. I wanted to save some money. LOL!
I've been traveling to SE Asia every year for the past 10 years. I prefer other countries. But I come to Vietnam for a change of pace. I do not come to Vietnam for the local girls.
I like to fondle and drink. And of course I partake later in the night (if I'm not too drunk).
Cafe 29 (29 Dong Khoi)
Smiley Bar (Thai Van Lung Street)
Sorry these are 2 bars that can be real duds. 29 for the reason you mention: it only seems to ever have 1 or at most 2 young cuties, and half the time that one isn't there or available (like you said, maybe upstairs, maybe taken out, maybe just not working tonight)... if you are lucky and a cute one is there, it can really be something. But if not, then you get to peruse the ones who have been retired from other bars, the long in the tooth set.
Smiley is similar actually... except that that bar just seems to NEVER get any new girls any more. I guess they decided they're gonna stick with this bunch til they all die. Sorry if that's harsh but I've stopped in there probably 10 times in the last 2-3 yrs, and have not seen one new girl working there in all that time.
Did you read my roundup of these places before heading out? It needs an update but is mostly still correct.
Did you read my roundup of these places before heading out? It needs an update but is mostly still correct.Yes I did read your roundup. It is a VERY GOOD report; I liked your star ratings. That's where I got the addresses to give to the taxi driver.
I just wrote about my experiences on that particular night.
Yes I did read your roundup. It is a VERY GOOD report; I liked your star ratings. That's where I got the addresses to give to the taxi driver.
I just wrote about my experiences on that particular night.
Ah gotcha. I guess Smiley can be ok if you're in from out of town and don't realize that the girls there haven't changed in forever. But it still doesn't measure up in the looks/youth category to the HBT bars.
29 (and when it was U2) has never matched up except for a few brief glory days when it suddenly got an influx of young cuties from the Mekong. But those girls never lasted too long there. If you're lucky and show up on a night when a new cutie is working, it can be the best though. If she's cute, you can be sure she won't be working there too long. Enjoy while you can.
Ah gotcha. I guess Smiley can be ok if you're in from out of town and don't realize that the girls there haven't changed in forever. But it still doesn't measure up in the looks/youth category to the HBT bars.
29 (and when it was U2) has never matched up except for a few brief glory days when it suddenly got an influx of young cuties from the Mekong. But those girls never lasted too long there. If you're lucky and show up on a night when a new cutie is working, it can be the best though. If she's cute, you can be sure she won't be working there too long. Enjoy while you can.
The thing about Smiley is that if you have been there before you are considered 'allocated' and it then becomes a devil of a job to get the new gals out so that you can make a fresh selection. I do think they have some fresh cattle but they hide out back!
Bar 29 has limited new stock and like W says the newbies never seem to last too long. But I have met some cuties there and kept on doing them after they had left the bar for a regular job. My SOP is to walk in and order a drink and then ask mama for the new ones.
I agree many of the girls are attractive but it is some of the worst value in VN and indeed in all of SE Asia except Singapore.
JD
Ha,
Hey, why pick on poor Singapore? Have to agree it may not be the overall best value in SEA but it's often not bad for the money. Most of the legal brothels (and let me day it again--it is Legal =gov't sanctioned=no worries about being arrested or fined etc, just the opposite of Viet.=where it's forbidden) in some areas of Singapore are not bad for the value and often the ladies there are very GF. And finally, everything is FS and not just the HJ or BJ that you will often expect to find in Viet.
From my experiences.
Shark
I almost hate to report this one.
Walking down Mac Thi Buoi street the other night, as I was walking on the part just near Black Cat restaurant, I caught sight of a cutie in short shorts standing on the street and got about 5 paces past when I realized some guy had just called out to me to come in for just one beer just one beer. Well, I turned around and headed back, and the place was down a long narrow alley... I was ushered in by a few girls at once. Got there and short shorts wasn't in the mix, she was still outside. OK, I thought, I'll wait it out. I mean she definitely was part of the welcoming committee out streetside. And those shorts definitely weren't due to the hot weather. She was done up as much as any of these girls here in the bar, who were all sadly a pretty sorry bunch. I ordered a beer and decided to sit tight and wait. Well, one of the girls here seemed to think she knew me from her old bar -- only takling to her a minute I realized it's a bar I never go to, the 49 on Dong Khoi (not HBT)... she was talking to another girl about how familiar with me she was, my habits and preferences, I guess. Honsetly I didn't remember ever seeing this one beforoe. Both were in the 4-6 range. Anyone who's been to 49DK knows what I mean. There's a reason I never go there. So ... finally in walks Shorts. She gets a can of soda from behind the bar and starts to head back to the front door, on her way back outside... I quickly say "Uh, Can I sit with HER? (making it very clear, expecting these 2 to try to "not understand") "No, she not working... she's boss's baby" That I took to mean that she belongs to teh boss. Kinda weird, pimping up your girlfriend to lure people into your huker bar. Whatever. Pay. Go. I report it here to save you the wasted visit. Took one for the team. You guys owe me, 30,000. ;)
I almost hate to report this one.
Walking down Mac Thi Buoi street the other night, as I was walking on the part just near Black Cat restaurant, I caught sight of a cutie in short shorts standing on the street and got about 5 paces past when I realized some guy had just called out to me to come in for just one beer just one beer. Well, I turned around and headed back, and the place was down a long narrow alley... I was ushered in by a few girls at once. Got there and short shorts wasn't in the mix, she was still outside. OK, I thought, I'll wait it out. I mean she definitely was part of the welcoming committee out streetside. And those shorts definitely weren't due to the hot weather. She was done up as much as any of these girls here in the bar, who were all sadly a pretty sorry bunch. I ordered a beer and decided to sit tight and wait. Well, one of the girls here seemed to think she knew me from her old bar -- only takling to her a minute I realized it's a bar I never go to, the 49 on Dong Khoi (not HBT)... she was talking to another girl about how familiar with me she was, my habits and preferences, I guess. Honsetly I didn't remember ever seeing this one beforoe. Both were in the 4-6 range. Anyone who's been to 49DK knows what I mean. There's a reason I never go there. So ... finally in walks Shorts. She gets a can of soda from behind the bar and starts to head back to the front door, on her way back outside... I quickly say "Uh, Can I sit with HER? (making it very clear, expecting these 2 to try to "not understand") "No, she not working... she's boss's baby" That I took to mean that she belongs to teh boss. Kinda weird, pimping up your girlfriend to lure people into your huker bar. Whatever. Pay. Go. I report it here to save you the wasted visit. Took one for the team. You guys owe me, 30,000. ;)
You've got me on two counts here. The bar on MTB sounds like it's on the side street near the Bach Dang hotel (which is non GF) and opposite Kim Long (which is) and it must be a fairly new one. My favourite hole-in-the-wall pharmacist used to be there as well.
49 DK sounds like the one opposite the Grand that used to call itself Hard Rock - dirty little place up an alley. Only ever seen old hags there from other bars.
I often use restaurants nearby to take out legit gals and walking past there can be a bit of a hazard.
I almost hate to report this one.
Using attractive girls outside to bait customers inside to less attractive ones is a common tactic. It's fishing and you were caught. Of course all they got was 20k profit on your beer, but it gave them the chance to get more.
I'll say it again, this is the worst part of town for experienced mongerers. Overall the worst quality at by far the worst prices. Exceptions of course, you may be lucky and pluck a jewel from 91. Very suitable and useful however for the timid, newbies, tourists and those centrally located with little time.
JD
You've got me on two counts here. The bar on MTB sounds like it's on the side street near the Bach Dang hotel (which is non GF) and opposite Kim Long (which is) and it must be a fairly new one. My favourite hole-in-the-wall pharmacist used to be there as well.
49 DK sounds like the one opposite the Grand that used to call itself Hard Rock - dirty little place up an alley. Only ever seen old hags there from other bars.
Sorry I don't remember Bach Dang hotel... but if you know Black Cat, it's just up to MTB and bear left if you walk out its front door. Yeah it's totally new, like a week old. AH and... it's same owner as 49DK, so it means 49DK's staff has been replaced with what can't possibly be anythign worse than what they had before. The hags are in this alley now. Speaking of which, now I'm having doubts about that story -- these girls might be just desperate enough to BS me about whether that girl really worked there or not. I mean... a bar owner using his own private squeeze, dolling her up and putting her on display just to lure in customers? Well, ok maybe it is true.
OK I know how to describe it better... if you remember where U2 was and the old Shadow Bar up the block from it -- if you walked and stopped halfway between those 2 locations on that side of MTB, it's directly across the street from that point.
Using attractive girls outside to bait customers inside to less attractive ones is a common tactic.
Dunno if I'd say that: first time I think I've ever seen a HBT type bar do that. What a few do is have a super hot bartender who is not available. But even that's few and far between.
I'll say it again,
Yes I know you will . You always do. But... I think we all know there's places with higher prices and there's places with worse quality, and even places with both. It's all just different niches for different tastes. I need more variety. And I can do the scruffier type venues once in awhile but if that's all I do, it gets old fast.
Ah which reminds me: 29 now has some new girls in finally, some of them actually young and cute. Counted 3 or 4 last time who looked worth sitting with.
Pokey Penguin
04-12-10, 09:20
Two recent visits to Apocalypse on a Wednesday and a Sunday night, which I think are the main nights when freelancers attend. Wednesday I just took a quick look inside there and saw there were practically no WGs inside. This was at about 10:30 PM, but in my experience most WGs would be there by that time.
Sunday, I decided to spring for a beer and spent about 90 minutes in the place, leaving about 12:00. Not very crowded but still there was a good number of people in the place. About 12 to 15 girls seemed to be FLs but almost all of them were about 4 feet 10 inches tall. There seemed to be a shortage of mongers, if anything.
A few years ago you could find some taller women here but not lately, according to my limited experience. But if you dig small girls, you'll find them here and they are pretty.
BTW, I hope everyone realizes that these "admission fees" they have at Apocalypse and other discos are just a scam for tourists and that the locals never pay them. Just say no and they will still let you in.
Pokey Penguin
04-12-10, 10:04
Recently I visited HBT to pay one of my occasional visits to the scene there. I didn't see anyone to my tastes in 91, though there were some nice girls there. Saw some nice girls in the other bars, but the standout for me was in the bar reputed to have the ugliest girls: 35 (is that correct? I mean, the one that begins with a 3)
There was a girl there that was exactly my dish. I think her name was Hang. But when I went over to her and asked her name, she replied, then went back to playing some game on her friend's phone. She didn't ask me my name. She seemed not interested in me.
I was drinking a beer and I told some Aussie guy about her, and he went over to her and told her that I was interested in her. So she comes over to me and there begins a total waste of money. Bought her two drinks. She convinced me to play pool, saying that if I won she would take me upstairs and show me her boobs for free. And if she won, I would pay her 100,000d.
Well, it was a close match, but she beat me, so I gave her the money. Then she said that if I gave her another 200,000 she would take me upstairs and show me her boobs. I asked if I could also touch them and she seemed to say yes, if she understood correctly.
She also said she would give me a bj for $40 but I said no, that's just too much.
So we go upstairs and I ask her how long can we stay upstairs for my 200K, and she says only 5 minutes. I said no, 15 minutes, ok? She wouldn't agree, so we went back downstairs, where she tried to wangle another drink from me.
She was tall and pretty, just what I'm looking for. But she was also 22, much too young to become possibly more than a WG to me. And it was clear to me that she didn't really like me very much. She also turned her cheek when I tried to kiss her. And when I asked her phone number, she claimed that she didn't have a phone! Really now!
Altogether, an interesting experience but unproductive. How about those prices? Is it really 200K just for 5 minutes of viewing and fondling? What are your experiences?
Pokey Penguin
04-12-10, 10:11
The further misadventures of the Penguin:
Went in Bin Bin and other bars on LTT. At Bin Bin, contrary to other reports, I found no really attractive girls and all of them were small. At the "small bar" near Bin Bin, there were some cute girls but the mama wanted 50,000 for a Tiger. I told her no, 30,000, which is what the other bars charge. She wouldn't agree so I walked out.
Visited that bar that is on TVL on the other side of LTT. Forget the name. There was one tall girl there who was very pretty. When I walked in, she stood up and smiled so as to persuade me to stay in the bar. But afterwards she ignored me.
Later some younger foreigner came in and she enthusiastically spent time with him, like she was his GF. He looked like he worked out regularly. Made me realize I'm not as young as I used to be and must stop eating that peanut brittle candy I've grown so fond of, as it ends up around me middle :)
The further misadventures of the Penguin:
Yeah the little bar called Quan Nho (translation: "little bar" ;) ) charges 50,000 per beer but everything else is same as other places. They do stick to that firmly. Strange I know but what can you do, they own the bar. Dont think it's a big deal since the lady drinks are also 50,000 and you don't need to buy more than one beer if you don't want to. I've seen some amazing girls in that place and also received amazing treatment from them in the past, one superstar who sadly has departed the scene, the perfect combination of model looks and the born-to-be-a-wh0re attitude.
What bar are you talking about on TVL??? So many in that area. Not the one with the pool table in front that you have to go up a couple steps to enter? Would be surprised if thats the place you meant since it's been a really bad location to find cute girls in the past -- like the worst bar of them all in that respect. Its the only bar I can think of on TVL on the opposite side of LTT from Bin Bin and Quan Nho. You sure it's Thai Van Lung and not Thi Sach?
How about those prices? Is it really 200K just for 5 minutes of viewing and fondling? What are your experiences?
Sounds like you got a dud. Yeah if you pick up some kind of frosty signal early on, usually best to avoid. A general rule but not a strict one, cuz honestly it's also possible that some who seem chilly at first turn out to be super warm later (such as my old Quan Nho squeeze who mysteriously transformed from ice queen on visit #1 to red hot mama on #2). Maybe if you get one who totally does it for you in looks dept, go with her the first time and play it cool - then give a tip that's generous at the end, that makes the statement "I like you". A tip that's a bit high for what she gave, but not stupidly high. Like for me, if it was a meeting that was mostly chat and low on contact, if I wanted it to warm up next time I'd probably give 150. Then she gets another chance next time, and if she does warm up then it's ok... and if not, well, that's that. She's not going to. Tip whatever you feel like in that case, cuz it should be the last time you sit with her. Make it at least an adequate tip so that she doens't go complain to you to other girls and give you a bad reputation with them. (I can totally see JD and some others rollilng their eyes at this advice, saying something like Oh my god what is it with this guy?!?!?! heh heh...anyway... for guys who like these places, are willing to pay a bit, this is the way to crack the shell of those super hotties who are a bit cold at first)
As for 35 specifics, those prices are ridiculous. For example on one visit to that bar I got taken up stairs by a girl with no price expectations, and was soon in the middle of a makeout session with a topless her. Sucking her breasts no problem. She never made any suggestoin about how much tip she should get but I gave her 150 or 200, don't remember. We were probably up there half an hour, maybe more. So either she pegged you for a rich foreigner who was due to be taken for as much as he'd part with, or maybe you're right and she didn't like you. It happens. Thats life. Happens to all of us sometimes.
Mash Potatoes
04-12-10, 11:42
Altogether, an interesting experience but unproductive. How about those prices? Is it really 200K just for 5 minutes of viewing and fondling? What are your experiences?[/QUOTE]I'll just write this on behalf of JD, cause I know he'll probably use harsher words, but if you are negotiating 200k + to go upstairs in anyplace to just look and touch a pair at tits, then you are really lost.
This is mad behaviour and pretty much say's to these girls 'scam the foreigners'. OK, you may not look like Brad Pitt, but still, paying (begging) a girl to flash her titties at you in Vietnam?. Have some dignity man!
Make it at least an adequate tip so that she doens't go complain to you to other girls and give you a bad reputation with them. (I can totally see JD and some others rolling their eyes at this advice, saying something like Oh my god what is it with this guy?!?!?! heh heh...anyway... for guys who like these places, are willing to pay a bit, this is the way to crack the shell of those super hotties who are a bit cold at first)
Wendella, are you able to look at me through my webcam? Eyes rolling to the ceiling! Yes, the way to crack the shell of Vietnamese sex workers is to give them money for doing nothing. The secret is out! Give Vietnamese people (any people) money for nothing and they will pay attention to you next time they see you! Yeah--the code is cracked! Oh, and the other key rule in VN -- the customer is always wrong and it's the job of customers to please the workers (staff) and keep them happy.
JD
She was tall and pretty, just what I'm looking for. But she was also 22, much too young to become possibly more than a WG to me. And it was clear to me that she didn't really like me very much. She also turned her cheek when I tried to kiss her. And when I asked her phone number, she claimed that she didn't have a phone! Really now!
Altogether, an interesting experience but unproductive. How about those prices? Is it really 200K just for 5 minutes of viewing and fondling? What are your experiences?Yes, I think that must be the real price based on 2.4 million Dong per hour ($216), so 200k ($10.50) per 5 minutes. Not much really to spend some time with a beautiful Vietnamese girl in the heart of the tourist district, if she meets your stringent requirements on looks (over 5ft 3in, etc.). Also, factory workers earn about 50,000 Dong ($2.60) per day of hard labor. Remember, you are at these places seeking a wife and you don't want to give the impression you are cheap or stingy. If they think that about you they will not want to marry you. But really this is not my area of expertise.
JD
...Maybe if you get one who totally does it for you in looks dept, go with her the first time and play it cool - then give a tip that's generous at the end, that makes the statement "I like you". A tip that's a bit high for what she gave, but not stupidly high. Like for me, if it was a meeting that was mostly chat and low on contact, if I wanted it to warm up next time I'd probably give 150. Then she gets another chance next time, and if she does warm up then it's ok... and if not, well, that's that...
This is where we differ. I always tip commensurate to services rendered. Even in VN dance clubs, the PR's job is to please me, to give me a good time, to give me that illusion of being my fantasy GF so that I will be a return customer. So they should get on with it and do their job... :D I generally tip a standard VND100.000 for a standard nothing-more nothing-less service.
If she was 'mostly chat and low on contact' the first time, she would likely NOT get a second time with me. There are way too many cock-teasing-skanks-grey-zone-hoes in this city to bother with ice-queen PRs.
On the other hand, if she gives me a good time by acting the perfect role of my bit*h hoe, pours my drinks, lights my cigarettes, serves me fruit, plays drinking games with me, rubs her ass against my crotch, gyrates in front of me showing me what a bad girl she can be, she might get VND200.000. I've occasionally but rarely tipped a PR girl more.
Pokey Penguin: At places like Quan Nho, puh-leeeease. These are hostess bars. The girls are all hoes. No exceptions. Trust me on this one. They make perhaps VND20.000 per lady drink you buy. Tipping them at the establishment above and beyond that are entirely discretionary to you. If she was a perfect wh*re with you in the bar, allowing you a bit of groping and fondling, then perhaps a VND50.000-VND100.000 tip when you leave and everybody's happy. Remember, she is already getting a 'commission' from the lady drinks you buy.
At these hostess bars however, her REAL income is from arrangements made with you for activities outside the establishment after her work hours. Or did you think they all survive on VND20.000 drink commissions? :D
Wendella, are you able to look at me through my webcam?
Yes, man -- so please at least put on some underwear.
Nah this is only reserved for the super hotties, the ones you're not content to give up on just cuz they're a bit frosty at first. Trust me, it's not a routine thing, the ones worth trying this on only come along like once or twice a year or so.
I think we need to recognise that we are playing a game with these gals in these bars and they can play the game far better than us.
For those reasons I would tend to stick to the rules as laid out by JD and Raver. They will always try to take advantage of a sucker so one needs to RTFF a bit. And don't sweat the small stuff eg 30-50,000 for a Tiger - it makes you seem like a cheap charlie and they will shy away.
But there are occasions when it might be judicious to be a bit more generous to see what happens next time. This can be true (but rarely of bar girls) but can also be true of ordinary girls such as waitresses.
If I find a nice gal that is new in the bar and clearly does not understand the game then I might get a phone number and give her a tip because there are good odds that she will not hack the bitchy bar life and quit. But be aware that just asking for the new gals is no guarantee. If the have no pool skills then that is a good sign.
Pokey Penguin
04-15-10, 21:23
What bar are you talking about on TVL??? So many in that area. Not the one with the pool table in front that you have to go up a couple steps to enter? Would be surprised if thats the place you meant since it's been a really bad location to find cute girls in the past -- like the worst bar of them all in that respect. Its the only bar I can think of on TVL on the opposite side of LTT from Bin Bin and Quan Nho. You sure it's Thai Van Lung and not Thi Sach?
Yes, I think it's the one with the pool table in front. There was the one very pretty tall girl near the pool table and another tall girl who was less pretty but still attractive, who was sitting on the couch in the back with the other smaller girls. Well, maybe you wouldn't think the pool table girl was very pretty. I did. Maybe she isn't even a WG but just someone they put in the front room to lure the punters in, and maybe that younger guy who came in and was warmly received by her really was her BF. I wonder why she was not sitting on the couches with the other girls...?
But bar personnel are always changing, aren't they? I did find a gem in 35, although a gem in looks only, not in service. And 35 is also supposed to be low quality.
Pokey Penguin
04-15-10, 21:33
Sounds like you got a dud. Yeah if you pick up some kind of frosty signal early on, usually best to avoid. A general rule but not a strict one, cuz honestly it's also possible that some who seem chilly at first turn out to be super warm later (such as my old Quan Nho squeeze who mysteriously transformed from ice queen on visit #1 to red hot mama on #2). Maybe if you get one who totally does it for you in looks dept, go with her the first time and play it cool - then give a tip that's generous at the end, that makes the statement "I like you". A tip that's a bit high for what she gave, but not stupidly high. Like for me, if it was a meeting that was mostly chat and low on contact, if I wanted it to warm up next time I'd probably give 150. Then she gets another chance next time, and if she does warm up then it's ok... and if not, well, that's that. She's not going to. Tip whatever you feel like in that case, cuz it should be the last time you sit with her. Make it at least an adequate tip so that she doens't go complain to you to other girls and give you a bad reputation with them. (I can totally see JD and some others rollilng their eyes at this advice, saying something like Oh my god what is it with this guy?!?!?! heh heh...anyway... for guys who like these places, are willing to pay a bit, this is the way to crack the shell of those super hotties who are a bit cold at first)
As for 35 specifics, those prices are ridiculous. For example on one visit to that bar I got taken up stairs by a girl with no price expectations, and was soon in the middle of a makeout session with a topless her. Sucking her breasts no problem. She never made any suggestoin about how much tip she should get but I gave her 150 or 200, don't remember. We were probably up there half an hour, maybe more. So either she pegged you for a rich foreigner who was due to be taken for as much as he'd part with, or maybe you're right and she didn't like you. It happens. Thats life. Happens to all of us sometimes.
Thanks for the feedback, Wendella. Well, despite the frosty clues, I go to these places so seldom, and find someone whose looks I really like so seldom, that I figured, what the hell.
I'm troubled by your reference to a "tip." Aren't the ladydrinks enough of a tip? The 100K I gave her for beating me at pool, isn't that a tip?
Are you suggesting that it was crass and a violation of girly bar protocol for this girl to demand a fee -- 200k -- to take her upstairs for 5 minutes? That she should instead have just said, "let's go upstairs, honey," let me grope and feel and neck for as long as I wanted, and then afterwards I should have given her a tip based on what I thought it was worth?
Really, the ladydrinks are enough of a tip, aren't they? :)
No they don't consider the lady drinks to be enough of a tip, sorry. They'll chalk you up as cheap charlie if you leave without a real tip. Somewhere between 70 and 100 is accepted. If it gets intense, pay more accordingly.
Some girls will try to get away with anything they can, it's just something you have to deal with sometimes. Others will stick to some standards - -most will actually. But I wouldn't consider it crass exactly that she'd do that -- it's bargaining after all. She's got family members to feed and expensive mobile phones to buy. ;) You just need to play your own role in the game and keep it in check.
Pokey Penguin
04-16-10, 18:56
But, Wendella, what usually happens? Do you agree on a price to go upstairs, or is money not discussed, and you just tip her afterwards based on what it was worth? What is the standard procedure?
The payment if she beats you at pool...is that pretty standard? What is the usual payment? Probably not 100,000, as she was overcharging me for everything. A ladydrink, maybe?
I agree with raverboy, I would not give a girl a second chance if she was frosty the first time. Anyway, this girl's frostiness was apparent even before I bought her her first drink, so I shouldn't have done that, and won't do it again.
I did it because I was infatuated with her. That doesn't happen to me much here.
I once found a girl I really liked at a bar on BV St. I would go visit her and tip her 100k at the end of the visit (even though she didn't do anything except hold my hand and ask for ladydrinks). Went to hotel with her once. Really liked her, so we arranged to meet for lunch. She showed up without makeup. I guess it was too much trouble to put makeup on early in the day? Or was she just being honest and showing me what she really looked like? Unfortunately, seeing her without makeup, her skin deep tan instead of white as it was in the bar, I totally lost interest in her. How superficial I am! :)
I wonder how many of these girls would still be pretty without their makeup.
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I agree with raverboy, I would not give a girl a second chance if she was frosty the first time. Anyway, this girl's frostiness was apparent even before I bought her her first drink, so I shouldn't have done that, and won't do it again.
I did it because I was infatuated with her. That doesn't happen to me much here...
...I wonder how many of these girls would still be pretty without their makeup.
That's a strong word. (infatuated) If I were infatuated with a girl I wouldve likely then have done what you did. :D
Yes, the ultimate test is seeing them in the mornings without their war paint. Some are still pretty without, but in any case its always a sobering thing when it happens, for me at least!
But, Wendella, what usually happens? Do you agree on a price to go upstairs, or is money not discussed, and you just tip her afterwards based on what it was worth? What is the standard procedure?
The payment if she beats you at pool...is that pretty standard? What is the usual payment? Probably not 100,000, as she was overcharging me for everything. A ladydrink, maybe?
I agree with raverboy, I would not give a girl a second chance if she was frosty the first time. Anyway, this girl's frostiness was apparent even before I bought her her first drink, so I shouldn't have done that, and won't do it again.
I did it because I was infatuated with her. That doesn't happen to me much here.
I once found a girl I really liked at a bar on BV St. I would go visit her and tip her 100k at the end of the visit (even though she didn't do anything except hold my hand and ask for ladydrinks). Went to hotel with her once. Really liked her, so we arranged to meet for lunch. She showed up without makeup. I guess it was too much trouble to put makeup on early in the day? Or was she just being honest and showing me what she really looked like? Unfortunately, seeing her without makeup, her skin deep tan instead of white as it was in the bar, I totally lost interest in her. How superficial I am! :)
I wonder how many of these girls would still be pretty without their makeup.
I never known a price to be set for going upstairs to the billiard room or other room but obviously a tip is expected but the amount depends on what goes on.
When you play pool with them you need to set the 'bet' at the beginning - if she wins she gets 100k if you when she gets her gear off is pretty standard but you can up the ante for other services if she is agreeable.
But, Wendella, what usually happens? Do you agree on a price to go upstairs, or is money not discussed, and you just tip her afterwards based on what it was worth? What is the standard procedure?
I agree with raverboy, I would not give a girl a second chance if she was frosty the first time.
Sudsoz described it pretty well. I don't do the pool game thing, but on the few times that a girl mentioned me paying something if I wanted to go upstairs, I didn't go for it. So for me, the usual has been to just go upstairs, period, and then pay accordingly after the fact. You keep mentioning "standard" but with these places, everything varies a bit girl by girl. Rather than say "I know it's supposed to be $X for Y", you're better off and more correct to say (with a smile) "I always pay $X for Y" -- notice it eliminates the whole accusation tone and face issue.
99% of the time I also do what Raverboy does. It's those rare times when she's just an amazing specimen that I'll aim for visit 2 to be the one where I get somewhere.
I was in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) in august 2009 and wish to leave you a brief report of my sex holiday.
I found that one of the favorite places in Saigon for seeking girls is Hai Ba Trung. Along this street, in District 1, there is a considerable quantities of bars which, at your arrival, open the door and let you see the wonderful content inside: a plenty of beautiful pussies ready for love. You get into the bar, drink something with the lady you choose (at the price of 3-4 euros) and begin the bargaining. The girls ask you about 60 USD$ for short time (1-2 hours) and 80 USD$ for long time (overnight).
I caught a stunner at the bar 91 in Hai Ba Trung, clearly my best speaking about girls quality. Breathtaking beauties inside, nothing to say. I’ve spent 1000000 dong for girl short time (1 euro was 25000 dong at that time) and 400000 dong for bar fine. Very expensive, but the satisfaction of making love with a model-looking lady is priceless, and I can tell you in this case it was worth.
Another area to be reported is Pham Ngu Lao, full of bars with beautiful girls who try to call you inside.
The hotel could be a problem: there are some of them where you can bring the girl in your room without problems, while others are at risk raided by local police. It’s very important you ask at the reception before; it’s possible they ask you for a tip. In some hotels is even possible to ask for a girl, directly in room, to the reception; if you speak with the right person, you can have a short time for about 40 USD$. Like I did!
Some other important advice from Saigon:
- when you enter the small bars where the girls try to pull you in, just like in Thailand, choose what you like and just go quickly to the point: the girls will try to load you many lady drink, so it’s better to finish the negotiations as soon as possible;
- prices are negotiable: at first they ask you short time for 60 USD$ and 80 USD$ for overnight, but if you are a good monger you can have discounts;
- avoid the 4 and 5 star hotel, where police go more often for controls, and prefer small and guest friendly locations.
- the prices are much higher compared to Thailand, but the beauty of Vietnamese ladies is astonishing;
- avoid the Viet Cong with motorcycles that offer you girls on the street, as well as the massage rooms (very questionable, from what I've seen) or the karaoke halls. I've heard that many foreigners had problems in places like these.
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Plenty of good looking girls in bar 91 at 11 pm on Thursday evening. Asked miss X (can't remember her name) to join me. Very good looking, nice body, large natural breasts, which is much more common in Vietnam than other SE Asia countries and a very pleasant personality. To my amusement I discover that her panties have a small slit in the middle, just large enough to finger her clit. After a 500,000 the bill for my two beers, her 3 or 4 lady drinks and the bar fine (with receipt saying food and drinks), we go to a mini hotel not far (300,000 D). During the taxi trip she lets my finger explore inside her panties. Only at red lights was I asked to stop, as motorcycle drivers could see us. After climbing 4 stairs a nice room. Miss X has a great slim body and enjoys the session where the high table, deep window sill and the large bed are in turn used. This slim and petite girl can be carried with ease around the room. She makes lots of noises during a long DATY, then BJ of quality but much shorter than with the good girls of Bangkok. Quality time for the 1,000,000. To be repeated.
Pokey Penguin
05-05-10, 09:14
Over the recent holiday weekend I walked down HBT in early evening and was surprised to find that most of the touts were not trying to lure men into the bars. In fact, at 51, the tout even said to me, "Finished," indicating that I could not go in the bar. But I could see through the dark glass that there were girls in the bar.
Then I walked by 91 and, again, the touts did not try to get me into the bar. I thought about just trying to walk in but didn't want to lose face again by being refused entry :)
I saw some Asian guys go into the bar, no problem. But when white men walked by, no attempt was made to get them into the bar.
This was not true at all the bars. I was touted to go into that new bar, the one on MTB (or is it Dong Du?) near the Black Cat. But only a few girls in there. And I think the tout at 35 seemed to suggest with his body language that I could come in, but I wanted to check the others out.
On a possibly related note, I was waved away at one of the shops on NPK that same day, the doorman saying "no massage." Even though there seemed to be girls in there. And I've been serviced at that place 3 or 4 times.
So I am wondering, was the recent holiday with its flag waving and all, the reason for this? On the holiday, do the police become more vigilant about not allowing P4P, especially to western foreigners, because it violates their silly patriotic puritanical dogmas?
This is the explanation I prefer, as I hope it's not that I've already gotten typecast as a cheap charlie who buys a beer and doesn't usually take a girl, hence blacklisted!
Member #2234
05-05-10, 17:30
Nah don't worry about it. On any 'ngay le' (government holidays) the police do not accept bribe money, instead they become 'good police' and do everything by the books, but there is an explanation for that, do you REALLY think they become good policemen lol!? The reason is it is their chance to get promoted in rank ;-)
Plenty of good looking girls in bar 91 at 11 pm on Thursday evening. Asked miss X (can't remember her name) to join me. Very good looking, nice body, large natural breasts, which is much more common in Vietnam than other SE Asia countries and a very pleasant personality. To my amusement I discover that her panties have a small slit in the middle, just large enough to finger her clit. After a 500,000 the bill for my two beers, her 3 or 4 lady drinks and the bar fine (with receipt saying food and drinks), we go to a mini hotel not far (300,000 D). During the taxi trip she lets my finger explore inside her panties. Only at red lights was I asked to stop, as motorcycle drivers could see us. After climbing 4 stairs a nice room. Miss X has a great slim body and enjoys the session where the high table, deep window sill and the large bed are in turn used. This slim and petite girl can be carried with ease around the room. She makes lots of noises during a long DATY, then BJ of quality but much shorter than with the good girls of Bangkok. Quality time for the 1,000,000. To be repeated.Sounds like fun and a good girl. Trying to get the price right in my head. Your 2 beers were 60,000 total (30k each) and you paid 500k so that's 440k for her and the house, then 1 mil. more to her? So 1.440.000 plus 300k for the hotel? About $92 USD. How long did you spend in the room with her?
JD
Sounds like fun and a good girl. Trying to get the price right in my head. Your 2 beers were 60,000 total (30k each) and you paid 500k so that's 440k for her and the house, then 1 mil. more to her? So 1.440.000 plus 300k for the hotel? About $92 USD. How long did you spend in the room with her?
JD
Here we go... ;)
Member #2234
05-06-10, 05:22
Here we go... ;)
fasten seat belts ;)
fasten seat belts ;)
Be right back, I'm gonna go get some popcorn. Want a soda?
Time in the bar 1 hour, 15 minutes taxi drive and 1.5 hours in the room. 30US$ per hour?
Last night I checked out a few of the HBT bars. I started at 91 and there were so many beautiful girls it was hard to make a choice, I wanted all of them! I stayed there an hour or so and checked out a few more bars down the road. 91 has the lookers that's for sure, but the other places I visited weren't so bad either. HBT is as close as you can get to Soi 6 in Pattaya, minus the girls screaming vulgar request as you walk down the street. The girls here are way more beautiful than their Thai counterparts hands down. Thanks for the info guys, this is a place that I will be visiting again and again!
Toddtworip
06-22-10, 22:31
On the low end 300-500k for sex. There are many places in this price range but probably the easiest for tourists would be around Pham Ngu Lao.I have read from time to time that you can find girls on Pham Ngu Lao.
From the trip I took last year, I went out to that street on more than one occassion and never had any success.
I am sure others including myself could use a bit more information/help, in order to find success on Pham Ngu Lao.
Thanks!
I have read from time to time that you can find girls on Pham Ngu Lao.
From the trip I took last year, I went out to that street on more than one occassion and never had any success.
I am sure others including myself could use a bit more information/help, in order to find success on Pham Ngu Lao.
Thanks!Vietnam, especially Pham Ngu Lao, is not a friendly easy place for P4P for newbies. Easy for locals and experienced ex-pats.
I was in Pham Ngu Lao last February.
There aren't that many FLs in that area.
During the evening/nights, I observed approximately 6 FLs walking around or sitting at the tables on the sidewalk of the Go-2 bar. They're FLs; local "good" girls do not hang out and walk around Pham Ngu Lao. I guess they can be hard to spot. A good bet is that if they're not carrying books, cigarettes or tissues to sell, they're working. The girls are between semi-ugly to marginal. The girls cost between 500K. 700K Dong (of course there initial price will be higher).
I normally sit at the bar next to the Go-2 bar (cheaper beers) and watch the girls walk by. Since there's only a few walkers, you might have to wait a while before something decent comes along. The waitor at that bar offered to get a girl for 800K Dong.
Higher level girls will be at the Go-2 and Buffalo discos (upstairs). But note that the girls will come in late (maybe past midnight?). Was told by an ex-pat that the price will be 1 Mil Dong (might be higher if the girl is really cute).
P4P is not "in your face", like it was in the early 90's in District 1. I remember being constantly "harassed" by pimps and girls in moto-bikes. Currently in District 1, it's a lot more discrete.
Does anyone know of any pregnant working girls? I've been living in Viet Nam (HCM & Ha Noi) for over 2 years and have yet to find one. I know, not for everyone, but something I'm keen to try. I was thinking maybe one of the HBT girls who is only semi retired for 9 months.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I just found this fourm and look forward to participating and being a productive member.
Formerlybnc
06-30-10, 19:46
Here is the rundown. I got some good info from Vale64. Thanks for that.
Just as he stated, the street Hai Ba Trung is a good place to go. I went mid afternoon. Bars already open. Girls putting on make up etc.
I started at 41 Hai Ba Trung. There is a cigar shop there and a Gourmet Supermarket with deli across the street. Walking up the street you will see bars like 49, 51, and 91. They are the bars names, and had touts opening the doors and you can see the girls inside.
I went in one, typical deal. Sit as far back as you can. You can get most of the action in the shop all the way to BJ, but for FS they want you to leave and get a room.
On the corner of where I started, (see pic for street names, and second pic has the street sign of the address where I got FS in the bar) - Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung.
This shop at 11 Dong Du, has a huge Apple logo in silver, almost like Apple Computer logo.
Inside this shop I got a girl. We sat upstairs in the pool table room. I got her and myself a drink. She pretty much told me we can do anything we want in the bar. The fee to the house is VND 400K plus she asked for VND 1.3 million. I think that is steep. I bargained with her and got down to 2 drinks, and VND 500k to her, no house fee as long as we do it fast, nobody sees and she wont tell the bar. If you do this, be discreet so as not to mess it up for us deal seekers.
Later that evening, I walked around again. All the bars getting more busy and touts asking you in. I skipped. I got a massage across the street from 91. They charge double what most charge $15. The girl was so innocent looking and never tried anything. Finally at the very end, she asked to massage my "baby". I declined as I wanted FS.
I also saw a lot of girls hanging out on the street. They dress like ho's but none of them asked me for anything. Anyone know the deal?
I also saw a lot of girls hanging out on the street. They dress like ho's but none of them asked me for anything. Anyone know the deal?
Many Vietnamese women and girls, especially going out at night, dress like Ho's. They think it's 'classy'. For many Vietnamese women (and I have to limit this to HCMC and most surely NOT Hanoi where women look and dress much better, overall), they think the Hollywood Boulevard streetwalker look circa 1987 look is 'high class' and they use this term in Vietnamese to describe it too. Viets for the most part are unstylish and uneducated, especially those from the Mekong Delta who come to the city.
Wendella reported on this place which is up an alley directly opposite the Kim Long hotel (which used to be GF but now has a new owner so I am not sure).
I was sucked in by the same SYT that Wendella saw but she does not sit with customers at all because she belongs to the boss. The other gals were all hags out of that sorry establishment at 49 Dong Khoi. Being forewarned I was able to size the situation up pretty quick and get out.
But being curious I wandered into the massage place opposite and saw some nice lookers there. I went back next day and was told VND200,00 for one hour and I got them to settle on VND100,000 for 30 mins. Chose the older of the two attractive gals because she had bigger boobs. Down the back partitioned with curtains - pretty private. I stripped the lot off and the gal did not object or coming running with shorts - so I thought that was different. The massage was not bad - good and firm. So I caressed the bum as it went past to check for a reaction and she asked if I wanted to turn over. She then proceeded to HJ and then TJ on request until I finished on her tits.
She wanted tip of VND400,000 so I gave her half that and walked out.
All of this was in english.
Now I appreciate that JD is getting FS for VND300,000 elsewhere but this is smack in the middle of D1 and therefore pretty good value.
Now I appreciate that JD is getting FS for VND300,000 elsewhere but this is smack in the middle of D1 and therefore pretty good value.
It's not just JD who is getting FS for 300k (more like 500k for better ones nowadays). All my friends and most of my acquaintances do as well. This is normal for guys who live here. They don't bother with this Forum at all as there is absolutely no info for them here. Just newbies and tourists mostly writing about paying $100 at HBT bars or asking basic questions that have been asked over and over. It's funny to read those posts for a laugh once in a while, they say. Only informative posts are the usuals about NPK BJ shops and DBP and vicinity. So nothing new ever reported on. They don't do pics as I like to do but they sometimes lurk to see mine.
Read Viet Forums on the same topic as this and they are full of CG info with pics and girls range from 200k to 500k usually. A huge wealth of info out there if you can read Viet.
Yes, that is smack in the middle of the tourist area of D1, but why buy anything in the middle of the tourist area of D1? Tourist areas are always overpriced. They are for those who don't know better because they have not had the time to explore. Just look at the prices of things along Dong Khoi Street, the same things you can buy elsewhere in the city. A cup of coffee costs more there than it does in NYC.
Ex: HJ, TJ Massa here at 300k. Then go to NPK, also D1, 1.5km to the north, BBBJ CIM 190k.
JD
Apple Banana
07-06-10, 18:16
Greetings Gentlemen,
With all due respect, I would very much appreciate it if you would not use my forum to publicly solicit or exchange information on how to find and/or use my competitor's website(s).
Thanks,
Jackson
I got some good info from Vale64. Thanks for that.
You're welcome.
Greetings Gentlemen,
With all due respect, I would very much appreciate it if you would not use my forum to publicly solicit or exchange information on how to find and/or use my competitor's website(s).
Thanks,
Jackson
Other websites that discuss sex and mongering are not necessarily to be viewed as your competitors. ISG covers the whole world, in English. A site that covers only the local country such as Vietnam and is written only in Vietnamese hardly competes with you. Most proprietors recognize 'the more the merrier principle'. Bars tend to congregate on the same street as do restaurants and shoe shops. In Vietnam, the brothels are all located next to one another. Sharing information brings in more business, it doesn't chase it away.
I'm with you on this one too JD.
Theres nothing wrong with helping out people, That is what the forum's are all about including this one. No doubt with the new information surfacing from other forums some of it will trickle down onto this website which is a good thing isn't it?
The VN forum has become quite stagnant in recent times. There's only certain areas you can go to for mongering and most have already been covered to death in these past pages. I too have looked at local VN forums and discovered a couple new places and have written up my experiences previously, Had I not visited these establishments then this VN forum will have had fewer reports.
No doubt Jackson's got to protect his interests/forum from outside advertising however when its all related to the topic (mongering) I see it as a little bit over the top. ISG is not the only mongering forum out there.
Other websites that discuss sex and mongering are not necessarily to be viewed as your competitors. ISG covers the whole world, in English. A site that covers only the local country such as Vietnam and is written only in Vietnamese hardly competes with you. Most proprietors recognize 'the more the merrier principle'. Bars tend to congregate on the same street as do restaurants and shoe shops. In Vietnam, the brothels are all located next to one another. Sharing information brings in more business, it doesn't chase it away.
Ex: HJ, TJ Massa here at 300k. Then go to NPK, also D1, 1.5km to the north, BBBJ CIM 190k.
JDSorry for my ignorance..What is the full name NPK road?
Tks in advance
I think that is steep. I bargained with her and got down to 2 drinks, and VND 500k to her, no house fee as long as we do it fast, nobody sees and she wont tell the bar. If you do this, be discreet so as not to mess it up for us deal seekers.A risky approach! Many girls just won't care if they get caught cos they will assume you will just pay up - including any fine the bar puts on the girl for trying. One time was U2 bar Dong Khoi. I left a foreigner behind there only to get a call at about 2am. He had been followed out of the bar and surrounded by the cathedral (hardly a dark alley) by various xe om types. He was "held there" until the mamasan appeared and "compensation" was agreed. Despite this the girl was beaten the next day. Strangely some 5 years later I'm still in touch with her - she never worked again. (Was probably due to retire anyway.)
I won't say you can't get away with it (you obviously did), but if you're sticking around Saigon I don't think it's a good idea.
Sorry for my ignorance..What is the full name NPK road?
Tks in advance
try looking at the Abbreviations up the top between FAQ and Photo Gallery (if your a paid up member) or Search.
Then scroll down to the Vietnamese section.
It's not just JD who is getting FS for 300k (more like 500k for better ones nowadays). All my friends and most of my acquaintances do as well. This is normal for guys who live here. They don't bother with this Forum at all as there is absolutely no info for them here. Just newbies and tourists mostly writing about paying $100 at HBT bars or asking basic questions that have been asked over and over. It's funny to read those posts for a laugh once in a while, they say. Only informative posts are the usuals about NPK BJ shops and DBP and vicinity. So nothing new ever reported on. They don't do pics as I like to do but they sometimes lurk to see mine.
Read Viet Forums on the same topic as this and they are full of CG info with pics and girls range from 200k to 500k usually. A huge wealth of info out there if you can read Viet.
Yes, that is smack in the middle of the tourist area of D1, but why buy anything in the middle of the tourist area of D1? Tourist areas are always overpriced. They are for those who don't know better because they have not had the time to explore. Just look at the prices of things along Dong Khoi Street, the same things you can buy elsewhere in the city. A cup of coffee costs more there than it does in NYC.
Ex: HJ, TJ Massa here at 300k. Then go to NPK, also D1, 1.5km to the north, BBBJ CIM 190k.
JD
1. I do not live in VN but visit from time to time and do not speak much Viet.
2. For a variety of reasons I stay in D1 and would use taxis or Xe Oms to go to outer Districts. Generally I do not bother as I have gals that come to me and my time in the bars is usually waiting for a visitor to finish work.
3. For me life is too short for skanks or skanky places.
Just as there are lot of guys who like the Hot Tocs etc there are a lot of (probably older or new to town) guys who do not. Each to his own - we need information for both.
It looks like the girly bar on the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Dong Du street called Thien Loc has closed for good. This was just a few doors down from the old U2 (which relocated to 29 Dong Khoi awhile back) and was one of the raunchiest of the bars out there, tho not quite approaching the heights (or is it depths?) of the Caligulesque U2/29. The neon signs have all been removed, doors and windows look permanently shut, and this isn't exactly a growth industry in HCMC these days, so I'm not expecting another similar business to take over the location and start up fresh.
I have to say, what was left in the place in recent times didn't really merit a visit. (don't think I've seen a looker in there for over a year) Back in the day it could occasionally be a great spot -- basically if you were lucky and they'd recently hired a very cute girl, which they did from time to time. (for a good long while, there was one there who was at the time the hottest thing in any of all these kinds of bars in that area, including the ones on Le Thanh Ton, Thai Van Lung, etc.) Tongue kissing seemed to be the house specialty here. Ah yes those were the days.
To Thien Loc... <clink>
I walked by this shell of the former Thien Loc last night to spot some little A4 photocopy signs saying they've moved down the street to 26 Mac Thi Buoi (not Dong Du, that's one up -- my mistake in last post)... and actually that's the former Cali Bar location and rather than pay to get a new sign made, they just turned the Cali Bar sign on again. (for anyone who's been paying attention, the former Cali bar moved a block over to Dong Du street and is called Apple bar ). Staff is all the same at this new place. There was just one cutie there and she was pretty hardened, one of those veterans who go back and forth to Singapore to work, so she didn't try too hard cuz she knows she doesn't have to.
I made a visit to a bar last night and noticed a girl and her customer had disappeared. I know they didn't leave the place. Are there ST rooms on BV?
hey all,
living in vietnam for a couple of months only now my gf is out of town allowing me a night to explore the saigon nightlife a couple of days ago. i am not looking for a bj nor fs just enjoy looking and touching some gorgeous girls so that was what i was looking for that nite.
this forum has been a great help and, though i know no hanky panky is going on there, i started with one of the shampoo+massage places near ben thanh market. the guy outside said the cost would be 100k for shampoo+massage. inside really gorgeous girls who were wearing short yellow skirts. a cutie, not tall but with incredible nice long black hear and a really pretty face (small chinese like eyes) went with me for the shampooing. we went to the back where there were a couple of hair washing chairs. no other customer inside. a couple of ladies sitting on the chairs. one with her legs a bit open allowing me a peek at her black panties. my cutie, her name was nien, started washing my hair. she spook little english so small talk was limited. she was 25 years old but did look younger. not the best shampooing but her looks definitely made up for that. she also massaged my head so, in all my ignorance, i kind of expected that would be it. so i was pleasantly surprised that she took me upstairs for some more massage. the room we were in had several massage chairs but as i said, i was the only customer. i changed into shorts and a tanktop and she started massaging. it was not bad but a bit hard. incredibly how a little lady has that much power! let my hand slide over her firm butt during the massage. no objections but noticed that she was wearing quite a few thing under the skirt. well protected indeed. it was nice when she sat on top of me when massaging my back. i could feel her butt rubbing on my back and not sure that was intentional. and this was the great thing about this. she was so gorgeous, said many times how handsome i was, we were alone, we felt eachothers body heat. it was very very erotic and exciting. i definitely liked it a lot!. and how fast the atmosphere can change! when she finished, i got dressed again and she kept on putting things in order in the room. i am pretty ignorant and planned to settle things downstairs but she wanted her tip now. fair enough. remember from the posts on this forum a massage with bbbjcim would go for a total of 200k so no way i was going to pay that. so i give her 50k. she asked for 200k tip and then 100k when i refused. when i stuck to the 50k she started a whole drama show which was actually quite entertaining. "we not have salary only tip", throwing the money at the ground. kept my cool and just walked out of there to settle the 100k downstairs. walking out, she even opened up the door so it couldn't have been that bad. but a good experience for a newbie like me in vietnam. no matter how sweet they are, it is all about the money. some wisdom that would turn out to be useful later that evening.
heard many good things about the bar with the yellow smile so decided to head that way. it was still quiet early (around 8) when i walked in. plenty of gorgeous girls present. never been there before so wanted to check upstairs if something was going on. no customers there as well so i moved back down and sit at the bar. a real beauty came up to me and asked if she could sit down as well. again long black hair but tall in a yellow one piece mini skirt. no bra (was pretty obvious). she had nice tits. not too big and natural. long face with a gorgeous white smile. had no problems with her sitting with me (she was one of the prettiest in the bar) and she immediately turned around and sat between my legs. her butt rubbing against my dick. very nice so i immediately bought her a lady drink. i went up with my hand from her thigh to her butt. g-string and her ass was very firm and soft. a bit of small talk and her english was actually very good. name is phung or hung (didn't really catch it) and she was 28 years old. was a bit surprised as she looked younger. anyhow, she asked where i lived and i fantasized i lived in somerset. then we better go now she said as somerset does not allow "guests" after 10pm. this beauty definitely has been around! she asked me if i wanted to play pool and would undress if i won. no way i can win so i politely refused. then she enquired if i wanted a bj upstairs. 800k would it cost with 300k in that for the bar. did not come for that so politely declined. she offered to go to a hotel and i was actually curious what she would be up for. anything she said but when i pointed at her butt she said no. she'd never done that before and would never do it as she heard from friends that it hurt. no damage done as i did not have the intention to take her fs anyhow. when we had that out of the way, we actually had a pleasant conversation. i felt up her boobs whilst talking to her and nipples were hard. i asked her about it and she pulled down the top of her mini skirt so i had a nice view of her tits. not shy at all. she was already at her second lady drink. man these gals drink fast. so decided to take it a bit further and went up inside her legs till my fingers met her snatch. she was wearing a thin blue string. very thin. left my hand there for a while and she pushed her pubes against my hand while her hand started to rub my cock in my pants. after a few minutes she turned around. by now her mini skirt was pushed up to her hips and she sat down on the bar stool facing me and legs slightly open. kept my hand where it was. she asked if wanted to see her pussy and she pulled her panties down so i could have a look. no wonder i could not see anything though her panties were quite see through. she was completely shaven. moving to the third lady drink i wanted to finger her and she opened her legs a bit more. felt her pussy lips and played with her little clit but she would not let me enter her. fair enough. was actually already surprised she would go that far so i just enjoyed the view and the touching for about half an hour. very friendly lady. but was not going to stay there all nite. plenty of other bars (i read from this forum) so i wanted to venture a bit more. i asked for the bill and gave a 100k tip to phung as i really had enjoyed her company and she wasn't too shy. she seemed pleased and said thank you. the bill came and i was charged for my two beers and 4 lady drinks (while she had only 3) plus 20k for peanuts, which i didn't even noticed they put in front of me. newbie mistake. so i put 250k on the table ignoring their calls for the 4th lady drink which she definitely not had. paid for the peanuts though so i did kind of compromise! hehe.
needed to cool down a bit so went for a stroll. had a beer in an expat pub closeby. also only had 2 500k notes on me and, considering what has happened in both the massage and the bar before, wanted to make sure i had 100k notes so i would not depend on them giving change. so paid my beer there and got the change i needed. definitely recommended when you plan mongering. make sure you have smaller notes so you can pay exactly what you think should pay.
continued my trip and went to the other smile bar. the green one close by. no one inside so told them i would be back. have heard about 49, 51 and 91 at hbt so wanted to see what that was like. no one in 49 and 51 either so i finally settled for 91 where there were a couple of japanese. told the ladies i just wanted a drink first before i chose a lady. apparently all they heard was "chose a lady" and the turned on the light. suddenly out a 20+ girls were lined up in front of me. a mixed bag of cuties, real beauties and lady boy like gals. finally went for a cute one in a black mini skirt. hair tight up and a very pretty white face. really nice looking gal so she came to sit on the bar stool next to me. eighteen years old she claimed. i ordered her a ld but already felt the attitude was different than in the previous bar. she would not initiate touching me and kept a distance. she had a nice set of boobies but was wearing a bra. i pinched them and ask jokingly if they were real. not much reaction. put my hand on her leg and she put it back on her knee. when she noticed i was looking at her white undies peeping out, she pulled her skirt down so i could no longer see it. she came straight to business. "we go to hotel now" "i very good" etc. i teasingly ask her what she is very good at and she just vaguely replied making love. kind of disliked the attitude but already bought the lady drink so i was very straightforward. if she want to talk business then lets talk business. i ask her if she takes it up in the ass and whether she would do cim. both were no. i asked her how much and she started with 500k for the bar + 60 usd for her + hotel room. ha! that is funny so i started laughing. she got pissed off and kept asking for the same. never intended to go for fs but could not resist teasing this little b*tch. still had half a bottle to finish. finally she asked to blow me upstairs for 1. 2 mill vnd. what a joke. when i told her i was not interested in that, she claimed i needed to pay a 200k tip for her sitting with me. ld was for the bar she said. i said she was free to leave and she didn't speak to me anymore. i asked for the bill and left no tip. what a b*tch and hope someone fucks her deep in her tiny young ass some day. but i had fun.
decided to the bar with the green smile again. it was quiet everywhere so i figured it would be good to try the sister bar of the yellow one where i had good fun. came in and the place was still empty. sit at the end of the bar and actually just wanted a beer first to check out the gals. told that to several girls who came up but they kept coming so finally asked one lovely girl with a huge rack to sit with me. the question whether they were real was kind of obsolete. after i bought her a ld noticed she was not wearing a mini skirt like the others but a bit longer one. was worried this might interfere with my touching plans. but it didn't. she was touching me all over and cuddled up. her nipples spontaneouly fell out of her dress. pink in color and erect. after a few times putting them she no longer bothered and left her tits hanging out. i knew i was in for some good time. she was 25 and the name was lien. after playing with her tits for a while. i put my hand on her thigh. she stood up and strapped her skirt around her waist. she was wearing a green g string which was very thin indeed. she said down and probably noticed my staring. she opened her panties so i could peek inside. grabbed my hand and put it inside her undies while spreading her legs a bit. i played with her pussy lips and her clit (which was big and hard) then i slipped my fingers inside her pussy. she smiled. she had really black eyes, a nice set of teeth and a cute birth mark on her left cheek. she also had these small intends in her cheek when she smiled. very cute. her pussy was very soft and had very little hair. not shaved but naturally very little. she was a bit more pushy than her sister at the yellow bar but again i politely refused. was curious again though so when she asked to go to hotel, i asked for the menu and she replied everything. i pointed at her butt (with the fingers that were not in her pussy) and she said yep no problem. time to check. so i pulled out my fingers and asked her to sit on my hand while my fingers explored her ass hole. she endure the fingering for a few seconds but then removed my hand. i told her i was not interested in fs or bj. she asked several times if i wanted a bj upstairs with the going rate of 800k. i told her i wanted her company and would tip her well if i liked her. she seemed to be fine with it and we had a few more drinks. she started asking about playing pool but i am not going to lose money that way. she would undress if she lost. i told her i would give her a 100k if she simply would go upstairs and undress. she asked for 200k and we finally settled for 150k. figured out i would tip her a 100k anyhow for the nice 'chat' so for 50k more i got to see her completely nude! we went up. she took of her dress and panties and let me have a good look. she had a good body. nice pussy and firm butt cheeks. when she bent over to take off the panties i saw her pussy shimmer. umm she was wet. she walked teasingly and completely nude around the pool table and then came to sit on my lap. i fingered her again and, man, she was very wet. she then put on her clothes again and i was happy with what had happened. time to call it a night. bill was correct this time and i had 50k left of the budget i intended to use tonite so gave it to lien. she was happy. and i went back home.
very pleasant evening but also very clear this is pure business. they do not even hide it (like they do in thailand). it is all about the money but if you are smart you can get what you want. some want fs and bj, some are into other things but one should budget and manage the money well. only spend what you want to spend, ask and calculate how much your bill should be and learn how to continously say no. then you will be fine.
thanks to the contributors of the forum (john dao and others). you give me some very good advice which has made this evening a success.
cheers,
m.
Ho Chi Minge
08-12-10, 12:19
Hey all,
Remember from the posts on this forum a massage with BBBJCIM would go for a total of 200K so no way I was going to pay that. So I give her 50K. She asked for 200K tip and then 100K when I refused. When I stuck to the 50K she started a whole drama show which was actually quite entertaining. "we not have salary only tip", throwing the money at the ground. Kept my cool and just walked out of there to settle the 100K downstairs. Walking out, she even opened up the door so it couldn't have been that bad. But a good experience for a newbie like me in Vietnam. No matter how sweet they are, it is ALL about the money.The place you went to is a 'high end' hot toc and I'm not surprised she was pissed off at your tip. BBBJCIM is done at places on a much lower level than this one and thus the cost is so low, plus the massage is terrible. You can't compare the two places. If you were so happy with the experience why didn't you tip her the correct amount for the 90 mins i guess you were in there? 150k would have been fine.
PS She has to open the door to keep her boss happy.
Phil Istine
08-13-10, 07:21
Mawin you are a tight **** giving us all a bad name.
You won't pay 200k, you [Deleted by Admin].
And you argue over 50k?
Why don't you stay home in future.
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Mawin you are a tight **** giving us all a bad name.
You won't pay 200k, you [Deleted by Admin].
And you argue over 50k?
Why don't you stay home in future.
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited in accordance with the Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another Forum Member or the Forum Membership in general."Do not tip too much", "Do not tip too little" definitely not easy being a newbie!.
Thks to ho chi minge for the honest feedback. In hinsight indeed probably made a mistake!
As for phil istine, if the P4P scene makes one so angry and cynical then maybe it is indeed a good idea I stay home!.
Bit harsh. In my opinion, out of his whole report, he made one mistake. So he short changed her 50k, whoop de do. He did his research and I believe he did well for his first time in Vietnam. The forums is full of reports on how much things cost and it was reasonable for him to reason that. There's not many legit places in Saigon so how was he to know.
With so many senior members bitching how newbies come here and inflate the prices and acting all superior. He did awesome. I'm sure he did better than you when you first came when you paid 500k for that blow job plus 100 to the house. I bet you read the forums, knew the going rate going in and caved when it came time to pay. You did this again and again before you cut back.
Don't be all mad because you probably have a inferiority complex trying to worry how "we" are perceived.
Marvin, well done dude.
Hey all,
Cheers,
M.
the report is detailed and well done, but to summarize it looks written by a cheap charlie...
there is no follow up to what happened when he went back to his hotel room alone.
after two months you come up with a tasting report
Leaving those girls with bits of tips?
It is of no big deal to say they are there for the money
What else did you expect? that they fall in love with you?
get a life!
You wasted their time
No wonder they need to get their time value back raising the prices or making it difficult to test the waters for a real deal.
So you felt her pubes but she was completely shaven....
Seriously please tell your gf NEVER leave you alone...EVER.
Left my hand there for a while and she pushed her pubes against my hand while her hand started to rub my cock in my pants. After a few minutes she turned around. By now her mini skirt was pushed up to her hips and she sat down on the bar stool facing me and legs slightly open. Kept my hand where it was. She asked if wanted to see her pussy and she pulled her panties down so I could have a look. No wonder I could not see anything though her panties were quite see through. She was completely shaven.
MutantChicken
08-14-10, 03:50
Bit harsh. In my opinion, out of his whole report, he made one mistake. So he short changed her 50k, whoop de do. He did his research and I believe he did well for his first time in Vietnam. The forums is full of reports on how much things cost and it was reasonable for him to reason that. There's not many legit places in Saigon so how was he to know.
With so many senior members bitching how newbies come here and inflate the prices and acting all superior. He did awesome. I'm sure he did better than you when you first came when you paid 500k for that blow job plus 100 to the house. I bet you read the forums, knew the going rate going in and caved when it came time to pay. You did this again and again before you cut back.
Don't be all mad because you probably have a inferiority complex trying to worry how "we" are perceived.
Marvin, well done dude.I have to disagree, reading the forums and then over paying is bad, but equally as bad is reading the forum and then not being able to distinguish the difference. There are literally 100s of posts about the legit massage near ebn thanh market. There is also the issue of the girl working for 90mins and getting effectively 2 small meals.
I wouldn't say it was a huge crime but its not exactly fair. Use your common sense regarding these things. Tip 400k is silly, tip 50k is silly also. Plus its all reported prior.
Seems that you worry an stress over very small amounts of money. You do sound like a cheap charlie. As a general rule the tip is equal to the fee to the house. With that personality I don't know how your gf deals with you. If she isaviet girl.
The place you went to is a 'high end' hot toc and I'm not surprised she was pissed off at your tip. BBBJCIM is done at places on a much lower level than this one and thus the cost is so low, plus the massage is terrible. You can't compare the two places. If you were so happy with the experience why didn't you tip her the correct amount for the 90 mins i guess you were in there? 150k would have been fine.
PS She has to open the door to keep her boss happy.
I've never gotten a "legit" massage in Vietnam before.
Is 100K to 200K Dong the correct tip for a non-sexual massage in the high end Hot Tocs? That's between 100% to 200%. Isn't this more than a decent job would pay in a day.
I thought you were supposed to tip between 100K to 200K Dong in the HBT bars after you fondle the girls. Same tipping range?
I was in Apocalypse Now last Saturday at midnight. It was packed. Good mixture of white and local girls.
I was in Go-2 Disco last night (Friday) at 2AM. It was packed. Mostly local FLs. Only a few white girls. It was dark, but it seems all the local girls were in their 20s, dressed nicely. But they were mostly 6s and couple of 7s. Where are all the 18 year old stunners? The good thing about that disco is that none of the girls were butt ugly; you need to outside for those girls. LOL!
In the Go-2 Disco on the weekends, they charge you 100K Dong for a coupon that gets you a drink. Funny how people buy their drinks downstairs, and are refused admission if they don't get the coupon; then they get very angry. This is somewhat of a rip-off since they don't have any signs that indicate this.
I have a semi-boycott of the Go-2 bars (although I do go to the disco upstairs because it offers something unique; I don't go to the downstairs bar). The Go-2 bars gets money from rip-off taxis to park on their territory and rip off their customers. They're already making so much money from the booze; expensive prices for that area; I say fuck the owners of Go-2 Bars!
I've never gotten a "legit" massage in Vietnam before.
Is 100K to 200K Dong the correct tip for a non-sexual massage in the high end Hot Tocs? That's between 100% to 200%. Isn't this more than a decent job would pay in a day.
I thought you were supposed to tip between 100K to 200K Dong in the HBT bars after you fondle the girls. Same tipping range?
Well, there are a hundred ways to define what a decent job is here, but I would say one that pays at least $750-$1000 per month, which counting a five day week would be something like $35-$50 per day, so no, 100k ($5) or 200k ($10) is not more than a decent job would pay. But it's more than a factory worker or a waitress would get, although I would not consider either to be a decent job.
JD
Ho Chi Minge
08-14-10, 20:04
I've never gotten a "legit" massage in Vietnam before.
Is 100K to 200K Dong the correct tip for a non-sexual massage in the high end Hot Tocs? That's between 100% to 200%. Isn't this more than a decent job would pay in a day.There is legit massage out there, just difficult to find. Between 100. 200k for 90 mins of attention from a beautiful girl seems fair to me. I tip at the standard rate but if the service is good I don't mind going higher. Saying that, I've heard stories of rich viets tipping over a million to these girls, and thats just retarded.
In these three instances that he had that night, 1] legit high end massage, 2] a bar where you felt her up, 3]a bar where the girl was giving you attitude because you are wasting her time because you don't take her to a hotel and 4] another bar where you felt her up a lot and saw her naked. What would you tip?
Yes he short changed her. Sucks to be her but not the end of the world. She still gets paid more than others for what it is. I don't see how he is being a cheap charlie. Others who do similar work get less than she does and they do the same hours. I'm not talking about anything sexual. I know 2 girls who do something similar. One girl does tattooing and facials and assists the doctor when he does nose/boob jobs, etc. She gets paid 4 mill a month. Another girl, she does all sorts of cosmetology stuff. Like skin whitening, permanent hair removal, real facials, acne, etc. She gets paid 3 million a month. Both gets additional tips but it isn't much as its local people. But lets just say with wage and tips, they get 4-6 million a month.
High end legit massage. Lets go lowest which is bullshit. She makes 200k a day. Thats 6 mill a month. Equivalent to the other girls. So for 200k, she has to to do at most usually 2 customers. She is still doing a lot less work than the other two girls. If you are saying she should get paid for her time; for what it is, she did. Yes, she's prettier. She's more fortunate. She makes way to much for what it is though. These girls make 500usd and up easy. So I'm not going to feel to bad for them when a black guy goes in and doesn't tip at all [ this was told to me by 3 girls when I asked them how many customers they get a day and whats the usual range of tips and lowest. They say they're afraid to get black customers]. Its averages. It gets balanced by some show off tipping 500k.
Again, I don't think it was his intention anyway. So according to his post he gave girl 1] 50k, 2] 100k, 3]zero and 4] 200k (150k + his left over 50k. If he was cheap, he would of never gave that 50k) I think that he was just trying to do the best he can with the knowledge he had. I think everyone is being too hard on him. Add 50k to that first one and I think its all normal tips. Hes probably being to careful but I don't blame him for that either. Idk, let him explain himself.
Yes, I'm bored.
Well, there are a hundred ways to define what a decent job is here, but I would say one that pays at least $750-$1000 per month, which counting a five day week would be something like $35-$50 per day, so no, 100k ($5) or 200k ($10) is not more than a decent job would pay. But it's more than a factory worker or a waitress would get, although I would not consider either to be a decent job.
JDA waitress in Vietnam gets 1.5-2 million a month working all day. I think the girls from big quan nhaus get 1.2 million a shift [6 hrs] per month. Managers get 3 million and up depending where.computer guys get 300-500 USD. If you are quoting 1000 USD, we are talking doctors and lawyers.
I think a decent job here for competent local is receiving 6 million a month working 40 hrs a week.
NO WAY. Not in VN for a person to make $700-$1,000/month.
NO WAY. Not in VN for a person to make $700-$1,000/month.
The average bar girl will make double that in a month. A few years ago, before the economic downturn, they were making triple that. But for an uneducated girl working in a factory or cafe, you're talking around 2 million per month. A good job of a skilled/educated Viet would pay around 800k per month or less.
Others who do similar work get less than she does and they do the same hours. I'm not talking about anything sexual. I know 2 girls who do something similar. One girl does tattooing and facials and assists the doctor when he does nose/boob jobs, etc. She gets paid 4 mill a month. Another girl, she does all sorts of cosmetology stuff. Like skin whitening, permanent hair removal, real facials, acne, etc. She gets paid 3 million a month. Both gets additional tips but it isn't much as its local people. But lets just say with wage and tips, they get 4-6 million a month.
I dont think one can compare the bar girl hob having her pussy felt etc etc (not to mention being used) with another job with a similar amount of hours, being these the only matchinbg point.
Alwayshard45
08-16-10, 05:00
NO WAY. Not in VN for a person to make $700-$1,000/month.Any manual labor job will make around, the minimum wage of, 1.6-2 million per month. A girl working in the bars and stuff will usually not have a "minimum" wage, but works purely off their tips. However, VNs make a lot more in respected fields. Teachers earn around 5-8 million per month. If you work in a corporate environment, their salaries can range widely based on position, size of company etc. But 15-20 million is between average and good. Being a valued employee with a large company and a high designated position will earn 20+million per month.
Ive compiled this information based on the salaries of my employees and the retrospective research that Ive have done.
I dont think one can compare the bar girl hob having her pussy felt etc etc (not to mention being used) with another job with a similar amount of hours, being these the only matchinbg point.Reread what I wrote. Im comparing Le duyen like places and other massage, beauty places
I made a visit to a bar last night and noticed a girl and her customer had disappeared. I know they didn't leave the place. Are there ST rooms on BV?Can I ask which bar this was? I am staying on Bui Vien and would be interested in a close option.
Thanks!
Reread what I wrote. Im comparing Le duyen like places and other massage, beauty places
my quote was on this
Others who do similar work get less than she does and they do the same hours. I'm not talking about anything sexual. I know 2 girls who do something similar. One girl does tattooing and facials and assists the doctor when he does nose/boob jobs, etc. She gets paid 4 mill a month. Another girl, she does all sorts of cosmetology stuff.
but anyhow...not a big deal!
Rob Doobing
08-20-10, 09:31
As I had to show gratefulness to a friend, I thought of inviting to a visit to one of these Nha Hang Om which are appreciated by the local mongers.
Since I lost track of this segment of the market, I resorted to a local connoisseur's advice.
He was right and gave good advice.
The late afternoon/ early evening unfolded as hoped for: Welcome by a nice mamma san, I had been introduced to her earlier by my connoisseur friend, take seat, beers coming, girls paraded upon request, choose a really nice to my taste one. Drink beers with the girls and your friend, play the lady, nothing hard in these establishments, good fun though, have dinner, a little more fun, by 8pm make arrangements for taking your lady out to the place of your choice for further enjoyment. One needs to have some Vn language and be accustomed to local habits though.
The place is in district 1, not obvious to find if not aware. The bill was 1. 6 million to the house, 1 ½ crates of beer, reasonable local food for 4. Tip 200 for mamma for good service and expected even better when returning, 300 to the lady, same expectation. Normal service rates 100 and 200 respectively.
This establishment and staff will be happy to receive more customers, It would be a pity though if this place was to be flooded by unaware and uneducated to Vn habits mongers, I do not disclose location here but PM me if interested to know details.
Alwayshard45
08-21-10, 15:20
The place is in district 1, not obvious to find if not aware. The bill was 1. 6 million to the house, 1 ½ crates of beer, reasonable local food for 4. Tip 200 for mamma for good service and expected even better when returning, 300 to the lady, same expectation. Normal service rates 100 and 200 respectively.
1.6 + all your tips, or was 1.6 your total?
I think it was 1.6 + tips, bia oms can be expensive, depending on how much you drink and eat. Beers usually start at 25k and up, good food but over priced. I love the bia oms, seems to be 3-4 on every block here in D5.
I think it was 1.6 + tips, bia oms can be expensive, depending on how much you drink and eat. Beers usually start at 25k and up, good food but over priced. I love the bia oms, seems to be 3-4 on every block here in D5.
Yes, it's different strokes for different folks e.g. $100+ for dinner and beer (no sex). Some would think it's great fun, others a waste.
JD
Explorerman
08-24-10, 04:17
Yes, it's different strokes for different folks e.g. $100+ for dinner and beer (no sex). Some would think it's great fun, others a waste.
JD
Some people think air conditioning is a luxury; for others it is essential.
Some people love cheap brothels and street action; others want high class, AC, and the thrill of a chase; others want only a HJ.
Some of us spend lots of money for entertainment of various types; others are frugal, cheap, or like to bargain.
Some like sex with anyone, just for the fun and pleasure. Others need certain atmosphere and comfort.
Hopefully we can all co-exist without bothering one another.
When I visited svypak, many years ago, people around there would say that
girls working at this place, svaypak, were rented by their parents, would that be true? I wonder were these girls work now, anybody?
Most of them were teenagers, I took many of them for a night. They would
never give you head. After warm up it was straight screw. I had my share
of bad, moody girls too, after a screw they would leave.
When I visited svypak, many years ago, people around there would say that
girls working at this place, svaypak, were rented by their parents, would that be true? I wonder were these girls work now, anybody?
Most of them were teenagers, I took many of them for a night. They would
never give you head. After warm up it was straight screw. I had my share
of bad, moody girls too, after a screw they would leave.
Well I googled for Svay Pak and discovered that it is a small place outside of Phnom Penh in Cambodia.
You might get more response from the Cambodia thread.
according to the isg cambodia forum sp has been shutdown/raided, reopened, shutdown etc. this was a place notorious for its "chicken farms" cheap sex and many **** workers. the impression i get from reading about it is to stay away...unless you want to get caught in a **** sting operation
well i googled for svay pak and discovered that it is a small place outside of phnom penh in cambodia.
you might get more response from the cambodia thread.
Hi,
Can someone recommend some good bia om places?
There's mention of ones in d5 but without a name, address, or intersection, it would be hard to find for a tourist.
What can one do at the bia om's and how much should we tip? And expect the bill for food/drinks to be?
I'll be visiting in December.
Thanks
As I had to show gratefulness to a friend, I thought of inviting to a visit to one of these Nha Hang Om which are appreciated by the local mongers.
Since I lost track of this segment of the market, I resorted to a local connoisseur's advice.
He was right and gave good advice.
The late afternoon/ early evening unfolded as hoped for: Welcome by a nice mamma san, I had been introduced to her earlier by my connoisseur friend, take seat, beers coming, girls paraded upon request, choose a really nice to my taste one. Drink beers with the girls and your friend, play the lady, nothing hard in these establishments, good fun though, have dinner, a little more fun, by 8pm make arrangements for taking your lady out to the place of your choice for further enjoyment. One needs to have some Vn language and be accustomed to local habits though.
The place is in district 1, not obvious to find if not aware. The bill was 1. 6 million to the house, 1 ½ crates of beer, reasonable local food for 4. Tip 200 for mamma for good service and expected even better when returning, 300 to the lady, same expectation. Normal service rates 100 and 200 respectively.
This establishment and staff will be happy to receive more customers, It would be a pity though if this place was to be flooded by unaware and uneducated to Vn habits mongers, I do not disclose location here but PM me if interested to know details.
Hi,
Can someone recommend some good bia om places?
There's mention of ones in d5 but without a name, address, or intersection, it would be hard to find for a tourist.
What can one do at the bia om's and how much should we tip? And expect the bill for food/drinks to be?
I'll be visiting in December.
ThanksBia oms are every where in D5 and surrounding areas. I imagine there are 3-4 on every block in D5. Prices vary from place to place anywhere from 25k-30k a beer, do the math considering how much you drink. My favorite spot is on Tran Hung Dao, but there are 100's if not 1000's of them. Addy 564 THD P2 Q5. As for what goes on I have been to places where the girls strip down and shower themselves with beer and I have heard about the bj ones but have never found one.
As for what goes on I have been to places where the girls strip down and shower themselves with beer and I have heard about the bj ones but have never found one.
Yes as long as the customer is paying for the beer (usually pretty inflated prices) they will drink it, spill it, pour it all over, invite others in to drink it. . . They make commission on beer. . .
JD
Bia oms are every where in D5 and surrounding areas. I imagine there are 3-4 on every block in D5. Prices vary from place to place anywhere from 25k-30k a beer, do the math considering how much you drink. My favorite spot is on Tran Hung Dao, but there are 100's if not 1000's of them. Addy 564 THD P2 Q5. As for what goes on I have been to places where the girls strip down and shower themselves with beer and I have heard about the bj ones but have never found one.Thanks for the recommendation.
Would tipping each girl 100k be sufficient?
Any other bia om places from anyone else they'd recommend?
Once again, thanks.
Alwayshard45
11-02-10, 09:35
Thanks for the recommendation.
Would tipping each girl 100k be sufficient?
Any other bia om places from anyone else they'd recommend?
Once again, thanks.
I too have yet to find any Bia Om's with in house BBBJs. I would stay away from the bia om's on THD in D1 though. I've been to a few, and they were all such rip offs borderline robbery. Of course, once you walk in, as a white guy, they are gonna see money. They will try and open every bag of chips, nuts, snack they can find and charge you for it weather or not you ate it or not. My recommendation, when you walk into the room, if you dont want them, tell the right away and they will take it away from the room. Ive been to places where they brought out a whole duck along with other food and I never even asked for any food, but they said they thought I was hungry, then they tried to charge me 2mil for the duck. The places in D5 seem to be ok, but again, Im looking for BBBJs. So if anyone has ANY info on that, please post, or PM me. They are out there.
Prices for beer are a bit inflated, but I think par compared to other types of places (karaoke om's, nha hang's, karaoke restaurants). It also depends on what you drink. 333 is the cheapest, but I cant stand it. Ken or Tiger would be the most expensive 30-40k per bottle. Saigon Red is about 20-30k.
I too have yet to find any Bia Om's with in house BBBJs. I would stay away from the bia om's on THD in D1 though. I've been to a few, and they were all such rip offs borderline robbery. Of course, once you walk in, as a white guy, they are gonna see money. They will try and open every bag of chips, nuts, snack they can find and charge you for it weather or not you ate it or not. My recommendation, when you walk into the room, if you dont want them, tell the right away and they will take it away from the room. Ive been to places where they brought out a whole duck along with other food and I never even asked for any food, but they said they thought I was hungry, then they tried to charge me 2mil for the duck. The places in D5 seem to be ok, but again, Im looking for BBBJs. So if anyone has ANY info on that, please post, or PM me. They are out there.
Prices for beer are a bit inflated, but I think par compared to other types of places (karaoke om's, nha hang's, karaoke restaurants). It also depends on what you drink. 333 is the cheapest, but I cant stand it. Ken or Tiger would be the most expensive 30-40k per bottle. Saigon Red is about 20-30k.Do you have bia om places in D5 you'd recommend?
Alwayshard45
11-03-10, 05:17
Do you have bia om places in D5 you'd recommend?
Yes I can recommend a few places all over the city, but why are you so keen on District 5? Im not a big fan of D5 myself, its predominately Chinese.
Yes I can recommend a few places all over the city, but why are you so keen on District 5? Im not a big fan of D5 myself, its predominately Chinese.Doesn't have to be d5. Just heard that's where all the bia om's are. Could be anywhere as long it's fun with hot girls. Thanks for the info. I'm there for 2 weeks with some friends and we want to make good use of our time.
Alwayshard45
11-04-10, 08:39
Doesn't have to be d5. Just heard that's where all the bia om's are. Could be anywhere as long it's fun with hot girls. Thanks for the info. I'm there for 2 weeks with some friends and we want to make good use of our time.
The best time I've ever had was at a place in D1. On Ly Tu Trong at the corner of Chu Manh Trinh. The girls there were absolutely stunning! Plus there are lots of girls available to choose from. This place is in a touristy kind of area though and is slightly more expensive than places in D.5. I'd say its around 1.8-2 million all in all for everything, including your tips for the girls. Girls there usually prefer you take them out to mini-hotels than in-room services, but anything is negotiable.
Hi Guys,
First time posting, Long time observer. Just thought i'd shed some light on my recent misfortunes here in HCM.
After reading up on the forums, I decided to head out first night to HBT to have some drinks and checkout the scene. Unfortunately, I did not have much luck that night as I started at about 11pm.
I decided to hop into a cab and search for the hot tocs at DBP. Cab drivers had no idea what I meant when I said hot toc and B***ys and the other both were shut. I signalled to the guy 'boom boom' 'lady lady' and soon found myself on the way to nearby Ben Thanh district.
After pulling over, cab driver got out spoke with some lady who asked me how long I wanted for. I said overnight hoping to hear a price and then argue that I wanted just short time to get my price down. at first she said 1.5 mill. I said 'no too expensive, it should be 500' she said 'ok ok 1.2 mill' she was talking to the cab driver and obviously he was getting a cut. I was fed up and just agreed to do it and gave in. It seemed that important to me at the time.
Along comes this cute looking viet girl speaking not a word of english. Jumps in the cab and then we are off to some hotel. We get in the room, shower, and she asks that I pay the money. I do it.
Then starts the whole vietnamese talk, I did not understand a word. She would not stop talking vietnamese as if I understood. Keeps stopping in the middle of 'proceeding' to blow me. All she was doing was licking my tip and im thinking 'how long is this going to go on for'. I end up fed up and signal for her to get things moving. She gets on top and then the next problem appears, 'she cant even fit'.
It was the worst service I ever had. She still kept talking to me and I couldnt understand a word. I felt so ripped off and stupid. I just got bored and called it a night.
Took a rest next night and then decided to hit up the trio bars on HBT. Went in to the famous stunners one at about midnight. I sat down with an attitude that I would not get suckered in this time. A girl came up to me, looking pretty, quite young (20 i think) bar girl asked if lady drink I said no. (I figured if I go for the first girl I see then they will think i am horny and desperate.)
I sat down ordered a drink, then another. Lit a cigarette. By now I was thinking I would be approached but they all walked past failing to notice. I figured the first girl was the most polite and that i'd just settle for her since she originally had intent. I signaled the bargirl to call her and next thing I know I was buying her drinks. After second lady drink all I was getting was broken conversation and small chat. She was telling me she was tired and tomorrow etc. etc. so I decided when she left I'd try some other girl. Only, about at the second drink the bar girl came up and asked if I wanted to take her to hotel. She said drinks were 30k each and LD was 50k. Bar fine was 400k and the girl was 1.2mill. I tried to bargain but once again found myself confused with little leverage.
I agreed. The situation turned from the girl being tired to the girl being up for fucking the life out of me for ST (about 1-2 hours). I pay the money there and then. Head to the ST hotel and pay the driver? Next thing I know we are in the room I shower she showers. her name was T*a. Didnt want to let me oral her but after some forcing she relented. Gave BBBJ which felt quite good but was constantly looking at the clock and just stopped all of a sudden and asked me to put on condom. Her phone kept ringing. I start to f**k her and she was very tight. Seemed to be liking it. Went on for about 15 minutes. next thing I know she tells me to stop. tell me it hurt her alot and that she cannot continue. Keeps talking on the phone. Says she has to go blah blah blah.
I look at the clock and its been just 40 min! I said 'but it's only been 40 minutes?' she kept complaining.
I shower and leave and felt like the biggest idiot ever.
Is it just me or is every girl not interested in sex at all or being with a man for that matter and just wants to lie and cheat?
Am I doing something wrong? thats my report.
Hi Guys,
First time posting, Long time observer. Just thought I'd shed some light on my recent misfortunes here in HCM.
Reveala,
Great report and very detailed. Thanks for sharing it with us. I won't repeat it here just to comment on it. Got that D Cups? No need to quote someone's entire report or post just to say thanks.
It shows clearly the difficulty of newbie mongering here in VN. That is by design. This is not Thailand or the PI.
Guys, don't go out looking for this stuff so late. VN closes down early for the most part. Blow and Gos are almost all closed by 10 PM. The HBT bars are full of tired girls who don't want to work, they just expect to get paid. For mongering, go to a neighboring county. If you must be here for business and want an easy score, the HBT bars will usually be ok. Don't hit them so late, pay after, don't go for the youngest and cutest.
About your girl who was talking non-stop at the hotel? She was telling you she does not know what she is doing there, she was visiting her friend and this woman came and grabbed her and said she'd give her 300k Dong to go with you and do what you want, but she does not know anything about sex, she has not done this before, she does not understand what you want or how to do it, blah, blah, blah.
JD
...It was the worst service I ever had. She still kept talking to me and I couldnt understand a word. I felt so ripped off and stupid. I just got bored and called it a night.
Took a rest next night and then decided to hit up the trio bars on HBT. Went in to the famous stunners one at about midnight. I sat down with an attitude that I would not get suckered in this time. A girl came up to me, looking pretty, quite young (20 i think) bar girl asked if lady drink I said no. (I figured if I go for the first girl I see then they will think i am horny and desperate.)
...
Frank and honest report.
Chiming in on what JD said in the previous post about this not being 'Thailand or the PI'...
Here's a few more things you should know about (mongering in) Vietnam:
1. If they think they can cheat you of even 1 Vietnamese Dong, they will, or at least try. Get my drift?
2. By walking into the HBT bars at midnight, they already know you are horny and desperate. Then refer to #1 above. :D
A quick early dinner, then hit the karaokes/nha hang/bia om/cafes/massage parlours and pick a freshly made-up girl. That's the timing in these parts - around 8 pm is prime time. 9 pm latest. Few exceptions to this, such as the more 'western' type bars and clubs.
Around midnight and most people would have just gotten checked-in to their favourite love pad with their take-away meal for the night.
3. Never, ever, pay the SP (Service Provider) prior to the render of service. This applies anywhere and everywhere in the world. If the SP or the establishment in question is worth their salt, they will all honour this rule.
Admittedly I have slipped on this rule a few times. Each and every time you pay before the service, you lose the control of the situation. Lose control of the situation you lose the SPs motivation to provide you with any level of service at all.
In my books if the SP insists on being paid upfront, the deal is over. That's it that's all.
Alwayshard45
11-07-10, 04:13
Frank and honest report.
3. Never, ever, pay the SP (Service Provider) prior to the render of service. This applies anywhere and everywhere in the world. If the SP or the establishment in question is worth their salt, they will all honour this rule.
Admittedly I have slipped on this rule a few times. Each and every time you pay before the service, you lose the control of the situation. Lose control of the situation you lose the SPs motivation to provide you with any level of service at all.
In my books if the SP insists on being paid upfront, the deal is over. That's it that's all.
I agree with you completly, Raverboy. If a SP requires payment upfront, I'll walk away. Only bad things can happen from paying upfront. The girls either lose complete desire to please, cuz now they have the money, or after you are finished, they will ask for more, even if you have agreed on a certain price. They will say they need money for a taxi, a bowl of noodles, cellphone credits. I've heard many excuses.
If I were you, I would go back to the bar on HBT and complain to the mamasan. Tell her what happened, that the girl was on the phone the whole time, and left early.
Thats just my 2 cents. But Reveala, thanks for your post and I hope you find better luck next time.
The best time I've ever had was at a place in D1. On Ly Tu Trong at the corner of Chu Manh Trinh. The girls there were absolutely stunning! Plus there are lots of girls available to choose from. This place is in a touristy kind of area though and is slightly more expensive than places in D.5. I'd say its around 1.8-2 million all in all for everything, including your tips for the girls. Girls there usually prefer you take them out to mini-hotels than in-room services, but anything is negotiable.thanks. so tip is 100k for each girl? i've seen videos where the girls take off all their clothes at these bia om places. does this happen there? is tip more if they take everything off?
A girl I've been chatting with in HCMC (met on facebook) is telling me I should go to a place called Q-Bar. I guess it's in the opera house across from the Caravelle. Any action here? Also (I think I posted this question in the wrong section before, sorry). Does somebody know the address of Smileys? I googled, but nada. I will arrive in HCMC first trip to VN this Sunday. From reading the posts I'm thinking best places for action in HCMC at the moment are Smileys and Apocalypse now? What about Sheraton (42 or 24 lounge) and/or Caravelle?
Thanks!
Alwayshard45
11-09-10, 17:31
A girl I've been chatting with in HCMC (met on facebook) is telling me I should go to a place called Q-Bar. I guess it's in the opera house across from the Caravelle. Any action here? Also (I think I posted this question in the wrong section before, sorry). Does somebody know the address of Smileys? I googled, but nada. I will arrive in HCMC first trip to VN this Sunday. From reading the posts I'm thinking best places for action in HCMC at the moment are Smileys and Apocalypse now? What about Sheraton (42 or 24 lounge) and/or Caravelle?
Thanks!
Bali,
Q-Bar doesn't have any "action" in terms of P4P, but it is a nice bar. It is on the side of the Opera House across the street from the German Brewery and Chinese restaurant. They do make some good drinks there and have a few appetizers to order, but the prices are a bit on the hi side.
"Apocalypse now"??? Yes, it's a great place if you wan to average looking girls, with bad attitudes and require lots of money. I hate going there! period.
Bali,
Q-Bar doesn't have any "action" in terms of P4P, but it is a nice bar. It is on the side of the Opera House across the street from the German Brewery and Chinese restaurant. They do make some good drinks there and have a few appetizers to order, but the prices are a bit on the hi side.
"Apocalypse now"??? Yes, it's a great place if you wan to average looking girls, with bad attitudes and require lots of money. I hate going there! period.Thanks! Apocalypse from reading posts seems path of ease and least resistance. Only in HCMC 2 days. More time for Nha trang hue hoian Hanoi halong bay. I want to try to knock all tourist sites in HCMC in 2 days so don't know have time for lingering w SW or MOTO girls. Which club if any please have higher quality and less attitude? If bit more expensive but better is ok. I'll use the $ I saved flying coach instead of biz! Lastly. Any girl on girl action in VN? (I know. Its not BKG)
A girl I've been chatting with in HCMC (met on facebook) is telling me I should go to a place called Q-Bar. I guess it's in the opera house across from the Caravelle. Any action here? ...
Yes, there's a ton of action here... for fudgepackers. Oops I mean cocklovers.
Unless you're willing to look over them and targer their hot, mostly straight female model friends-in-tow. ;)
A girl I've been chatting with in HCMC (met on facebook) is telling me I should go to a place called Q-Bar. I guess it's in the opera house across from the Caravelle. Any action here? Also (I think I posted this question in the wrong section before, sorry). Does somebody know the address of Smileys? I googled, but nada. I will arrive in HCMC first trip to VN this Sunday. From reading the posts I'm thinking best places for action in HCMC at the moment are Smileys and Apocalypse now? What about Sheraton (42 or 24 lounge) and/or Caravelle?
Thanks!Sorry Bali but you've got a list of the worst places, not the best. There is no 'action' so to speak in any of these places as you will find when you get there although you may meet some very pushy and expensive FL at AN.
JD
Alwayshard45
11-14-10, 15:54
I have some business partners coming to VN this week and they have specifically asked me about bia om's. I guess they've been to one before or they have heard about them. BUT, they are looking for the shops with BBBJs there on premises, where the girls don't mind getting wild in front of each other. If anyone has any info, please let me know, I will probably be taking them out mid-week. Any info would be appreciated, you can also PM if desired.
I have some business partners coming to VN this week and they have specifically asked me about bia om's. I guess they've been to one before or they have heard about them. BUT, they are looking for the shops with BBBJs there on premises, where the girls don't mind getting wild in front of each other. If anyone has any info, please let me know, I will probably be taking them out mid-week. Any info would be appreciated, you can also PM if desired.From my personal experience, I find that you are better off going to a Bia Om for fun then going to another place, say masage parlor, for the action. Bia Om with action either have girls you rather not spend time with or the going rate is going to be very high. Having said that, there are always girls in most places that will go with customers but most will not. However, those that are willing are most likely will not be the girl that has been entertaining you all night. You are better off asking the manager (mamasan) up front to only show you those who are available.
So after several days in Saigon I finally had the urge last night to go look for some action. At first I went to Bin Bin but didn't find anyone to my liking (I'm very picky on looks), except for this one girl that was okay but she said she wasn't working that night because of something about blood and that I should try again tomorrow she might be okay then so I left.
Next I went to bar 91 on hbt. When I walked in I overheard several girls mentioned I was cute, which I thought was a good sign =). Most people here don't seem to realize I'm Vietnamese, they always think I'm Japanese or Chinese at first. There were a couple girls that were to my liking but I picked out a really gorgeous 20 year old, she was probably one of the cutest girl I've seen in Vietnam so far. However, right off the bat her attitude was very poor. I notice that the other girls acted very friendly and touchy-feely with their customers, however, this girl mainly just sat back and spoke very little. She was also having a hard time understanding my Vietnamese. She didn't seem like she wanted to be there or with me and I even asked her this several times but she only gave some generic response that I don't even remember.
Even with the poor service I still asked her out, she said that she only do short term and that it costs 1, 200, 000 for one hour plus 400, 000 for the bar fine. I told her I thought the price was only 1, 000, 000 for short time but she basically replied by saying who's the one that is doing it for 1, 000, 000 and that the price is fixed by the bar, and something to the effect that I should fine another girl if I don't like it. After thinking about it I agreed on the price since she was really my type looks wise.
So she said she was going to go change and what happened after that got a bit confusing. She came back unchanged and sat back down not saying anything so I asked her I thought she was going to change. She said something to the affect that mamasan is not letting her go out and I think something about already having a customer later. I asked her if she already has a customer later why did she agreed to sit down with me. But then she said something to the affect that I'll have to wait until 1 am when the bar closes and that she can meet me at my hotel so we exchange information. I decided to leave and they only charged me 130, 000 for my drink and two drinks for the girl which I thought was a little weird since early she mentioned there was a 400, 000 bar fine. The girl asked for a tip so I gave her a 100, 000 hoping to grease the wheels a little bit for later. I sort of lost track of time so I didn't realize it was already passed midnight when I left, if I had known I probably would had stayed until closing but oh well.
So I went back to my hotel and waited. After 1:15am with no call from her I decided to give her a call but she didn't pick up. Tried three more times that night and once this morning and still no answer. Is it normal that a girl doesn't show up even after agreeing to meet? Should I go back there today and make a big deal of it? I'm not a person who like confrontation so I might just let it go, maybe try Bin Bin again tonight since at least you can do it on the premises. Does anyone know the price for going upstairs at Bin Bin?
Thanks
So I went back to my hotel and waited. After 1:15am with no call from her I decided to give her a call but she didn't pick up. Tried three more times that night and once this morning and still no answer. Is it normal that a girl doesn't show up even after agreeing to meet? Should I go back there today and make a big deal of it? I'm not a person who like confrontation so I might just let it go, maybe try Bin Bin again tonight since at least you can do it on the premises. Does anyone know the price for going upstairs at Bin Bin?
Thanks
The short answer to your first question is: Yes it is normal.
The answer to your second: Absolutely not.
The third: I don't know.
The girl obviously was not interested from the start. Attitude will always trump looks in these attempted arrangements. The better looking a girl is, the more options she has, both in the bar and in life in general, right?
JD
Mash Potatoes
12-05-10, 07:32
So I went back to my hotel and waited. After 1:15am with no call from her I decided to give her a call but she didn't pick up. Tried three more times that night and once this morning and still no answer. Is it normal that a girl doesn't show up even after agreeing to meet? Should I go back there today and make a big deal of it? I'm not a person who like confrontation so I might just let it go, maybe try Bin Bin again tonight since at least you can do it on the premises. Does anyone know the price for going upstairs at Bin Bin?
Thanks[/QUOTE]This is going to sound wrong, but the mistake you made was speaking 'Vietnamese'. Fine they think you're Japanese, what have you, then it's best you play along and just speak English.
These girls/Mamasan's don't do Vietnamese customer's. It's not a racial thing, but these bars on HBT are solely catered for 'foreigners' only. Vietnamese customers could end up being cops, informers, govt officials etc. So they just don't take the chance.
The girl's attitude prob came from knowing that you were Vietnamese and wanted to get rid of you (by being in different), but having said so, you should've never caved into a bad attitude working girl. She would've given you trouble in bed.
Prob not worth your time or hassle.
Does anyone know the price for going upstairs at Bin Bin?
Where did you hear that you can 'go upstairs' at Bin Bin? As far as I know, there's a billiard table upstairs on 1st level, and then further up they have rooms with low-level tables where you sit on the floor, normally for groups. I've asked in the past about what options are available upstairs and been told that you need to take the girl to a hotel. There's a place that does have that option (49 Dong Khoi), but not Bin Bin as far as I know. Or at least not the last time I checked. Anyone else can confirm? (or can you?)
About whether it's normal to get stood up, I wouldn't say it's 'normal' exactly -- most times the girl will just meet you as you agreed on. But getting stood up isn't unheard of. For me it's been rare but has happened. Much more common is the girl not showing up at the agreed-on time, but then showing up very late with some excuse. (when the real deal is almost surely that she did another customer right before you) But to me it sounds pretty clear this girl was one of the spoiled ones at 91, and that she wasn't too keen on going with you since she could probably earn more (and get more prestige in teh bar) by going with some obviously well-off Japanese or Korean customer later on. She's probably the kind of girl who always gets picked, where the other ones who were friendlier are the ones who have to try harder, or who usually don't get picked. That's one bar that lets the girls do whatever they like, treat a customer badly no problem. As long as they have the hottest lineup, and remains the preferred destination of the East Asian business class, it's probably not going to change. FYI, I get treated pretty badly in there, to the point that I probably won't go again. Once I asked the papasan guy if I could sit with a certain girl, he went over to where she was sitting, came back and told me she wouldn't sit with me, I would have to choose a different girl. This is after years of giving them regular business. Minutes later 2 (probably) Japanese guys came in and sat at the bar, and the papasan called out a lineup for them to choose from, including all the girls in the bar. This is 91.
So the question whether you should go back to the bar and make a stink about it, JD is right, no way. First, you arranged to meet her after closing time, which is a way of denying the bar their barfine, and they don't like that too much. And you can probably tell from my story that the whole staff and the girls at the bar are more likely to just laugh at you and even heckle you for this complaint than to give you any satisfaction or apology.
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"These girls/Mamasan's don't do Vietnamese customer's. It's not a racial thing, but these bars on HBT are solely catered for 'foreigners' only. Vietnamese customers could end up being cops, informers, govt officials etc. So they just don't take the chance."[/QUOTE]
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Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. in the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD
Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. in the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD
No secret for sure, but most HBT bars have a rule agains the girls servicing Viet customers. I was told by one of the owners it was a understanding between the bar owners and the powers that be.
No secret for sure, but most HBT bars have a rule agains the girls servicing Viet customers. I was told by one of the owners it was a understanding between the bar owners and the powers that be.Yeah, I figured it out on my own a little too late especially after not getting offered "extra service" at the massage place across the street from 91. The girl at the massage place even asked if I had spoken Vietnamese to the receptionist when I came in. I asked her why she was asking me that question and she answered, "for no particular reason", but I pretty much understood why by then.
The girl at 91 seemed like she was willing to leave with me and had originally went and tried to get dress but it seemed the mamasan wouldn't let her. I even heard her pleading to the mamasan to let her go out when I was heading out. She also called me the next day at 8pm but I was at the massage place and didn't hear her call, when I called her back she again didn't pick up.
I didn't have problems in Hanoi and Hue when I spoke in Vietnamese so I didn't know it was going to be an issue in Saigon. Though when I asked for a massage girl to my room at the Hanoi Hotel she did mentioned that they didn't allow it for Vietnamese people, luckily I had spoken in English when I made the call. However, when I had gone to the massage room at the hotel the day before I had spoken Vietnamese all the way and had no issues with getting "extra service". Also didn't have any issues in Hue and I spoke completely in Vietnamese.
Where did you hear that you can 'go upstairs' at Bin Bin? As far as I know, there's a billiard table upstairs on 1st level, and then further up they have rooms with low-level tables where you sit on the floor, normally for groups. I've asked in the past about what options are available upstairs and been told that you need to take the girl to a hotel. There's a place that does have that option (49 Dong Khoi), but not Bin Bin as far as I know. Or at least not the last time I checked. Anyone else can confirm? (or can you?)Sorry, I might had misunderstood this post you made (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=961351&postcount=282). When you said, "It has more floors upstairs for further entertainment", I thought that meant there was more going on upstairs.
Mash Potatoes
12-07-10, 12:36
No secret for sure, but most HBT bars have a rule agains the girls servicing Viet customers. I was told by one of the owners it was a understanding between the bar owners and the powers that be.Hey JD.
These bars are definitely not a secret to anyone at all. I'm sure that there are some well paid 'officials' out there who keep an eye out.
What I was referring to (also at the massage place's up nearby the airport) was that they have an understanding that there will be NO local customers. The fear is that word would spread too quickly and hence chaos ensured, also the reputation that prostitution being illegal in VN.
They keep it 'foreigners' only, so one day if ever they choose, they could close these places down and blame them as 'foreign influenced evils'.
Locals are provided with SW, as this only seems like a local guy going to the hotel with his 'girl friend'... + bia oms, cafe oms, hoc toc, .etc.
Vodich.
It happen to me too. I'm also a Vietkieu and when I got to HBT 91, it seems like the girls ignored me. Didn't even come over to talk, but if there is a "western" guy coming inside, all the girls stand up and do their parade.
Didn't thought it would be so difficult to have some fun and get rit of some money in Saigon. Haha.
Vodich.
It happen to me too. I'm also a Vietkieu and when I got to HBT 91, it seems like the girls ignored me. Didn't even come over to talk, but if there is a "western" guy coming inside, all the girls stand up and do their parade.
Didn't thought it would be so difficult to have some fun and get rit of some money in Saigon. Haha. I'm surprised they let you in at all. They have a strict rule against allowing Viet's in the HBT bars. Last night, I happened to be talking to an owner of one of the bars on that street. He confirmed they aren't allowed to go with anyone who looks Viet. He said it's sometimes hard to tell if someone is a National or Viet Kieu, so they won't let either in. It's an arragement they have with the local authorities.
I left you my number so PM or text me. I can help you out.
Did my first punt two days ago at 91.
I picked out a nice chick called Kar (or Gar?). Very smooth skin and nice shape, long hair and pretty face. Says she was 20 yo. Enjoyed doggie with her, but she was a bit reluctant to do the things I wanted (for example, I wanted to doggie her while standing up, facing the mirror and she initially refused). So I decided I'm not booking her again.
As soon as I'd finished with Kar, I went straight back to the shop and picked out another number. An 18 yo chick (really). I saw her I'd, called My and her attitude was better, she was a bit more compliant. This girl, My, looks exactly like HK actress / singer Kelly Chen except that she's less than half her age. Her only flaw was that she had quite a bit of hair on her legs for an asian girl. But I didn't let that put me off. Also, she was VERY bushy. I mean she had almost as much hair around her snatch as she had on her head. Again, I didn't care.
I went back to 91 yesterday, to book My again only because she's so young.
The staff at 91 and I are getting to know each other quite well. I just did my fourth booking from that shop today. My best girl so far; in fact the only one so far who's given me any kind of GFE at all. In fact I was so impressed with her, I'm planning on booking her for a LT session. Unfortunately, I don't know how to write her name or even pronounce it. It's very tricky.
But am I paying too much? At 91, they're asking for:
$60 ST +
$20 barfine +
$5 drinks +
$10 tip.
The first time I went there, the manager (youngish girl with a round face) didn't ask for the tip, but she's doing it now. Also, the first time I went, I tried my hardest to bargain down the $60, but they wouldn't budge. Not one little inch. Now I realize it's possible to get FS for less here; but for 91, is this too much?
Mash Potatoes
12-14-10, 11:18
But am I paying too much? At 91, they're asking for:
$60 ST +
$20 barfine +
$5 drinks +
$10 tip.
The fact that you have returned there 4 times kinda answer's your own question. Too much? Well, it all depends on whether you are willing to do the work. Ie. Go out to the districts OR go to a bar / club and befriend a lady. If that's all too much work, then your $95 might not seem too much to you.
For seasoned people who have been in HCMC for a while. $95 ST is TOO much.
But am I paying too much? At 91, they're asking for:
$60 ST +
$20 barfine +
$5 drinks +
$10 tip.
The fact that you have returned there 4 times kinda answer's your own question. Too much? Well, it all depends on whether you are willing to do the work. Ie. Go out to the districts OR go to a bar / club and befriend a lady. If that's all too much work, then your $95 might not seem too much to you.
For seasoned people who have been in HCMC for a while. $95 ST is TOO much. Actually it is well more than $95 he is paying as he is probably buying at least 4 drinks, not one. In addition, he did not mention hotel cost of the place the girl brings him. At least $20 for what is probably an $8-10 room. Certainly there is no tip needed at these already inflated prices. But if he is happy in these tourist and business visitor places, then he is happy.
Does anyone have any info on Kim's Bar, in an alley off of Thai Van Lung St? Girls? Prices, what's possible, etc?
Thanks,
JD
Shadow6491
12-16-10, 02:01
For $95 I would get the bus to Cambodia $12 stay in a hotel $15 get two viet Hookers $15 each spend $25 on drinks and get the bus back $13.
"These girls/Mamasan's don't do Vietnamese customer's. It's not a racial thing, but these bars on HBT are solely catered for 'foreigners' only. Vietnamese customers could end up being cops, informers, govt officials etc. So they just don't take the chance."[/QUOTE]_________________________________.
Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. In the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD[/QUOTE]Maybe they are not much of a secret but being somehow unable to have a cop getting a service they cannot get the evidence.
If the MP caters for men and this is legitimate, how to prove they are doing something illegal? A regular flow of men is nothing special, just a sign of good business. .
Shadow6491
12-17-10, 00:45
"These girls/Mamasan's don't do Vietnamese customer's. It's not a racial thing, but these bars on HBT are solely catered for 'foreigners' only. Vietnamese customers could end up being cops, informers, govt officials etc. So they just don't take the chance."_________________________________.
Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. In the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD[/QUOTE]Maybe they are not much of a secret but being somehow unable to have a cop getting a service they cannot get the evidence.
If the MP caters for men and this is legitimate, how to prove they are doing something illegal? A regular flow of men is nothing special, just a sign of good business. . [/QUOTE]They are no secret to the police or anyone but there are rules for the locals and they will make some small exceptions for tourists. Visiting an openly morally wrong place like one of these bars is one of them.
Actually it is well more than $95 he is paying as he is probably buying at least 4 drinks, not one. In addition, he did not mention hotel cost of the place the girl brings him......Not really. I limited myself to a max of one drink per person. Also, I specifically selected a GF hotel, hence no extra room cost.
And all of you are correct: $100 is too much. I decided $100 is just too much to pay for a shag in a third world country. I decided in the end that I'm boycotting the bars, esp as there seem to be so many ******s in them. I'm not rubbing shoulders with them. For example, I happened to be strolling past a bar in Pham Ngu Lao (backpacker district) the other night and it had some hotties hanging out at the front. But when I glanced inside, the only customers I could see were all ******s.
_________________________________.
Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. In the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JDMaybe they are not much of a secret but being somehow unable to have a cop getting a service they cannot get the evidence.
If the MP caters for men and this is legitimate, how to prove they are doing something illegal? A regular flow of men is nothing special, just a sign of good business. . [/QUOTE]They are no secret to the police or anyone but there are rules for the locals and they will make some small exceptions for tourists. Visiting an openly morally wrong place like one of these bars is one of them. [/QUOTE]On principle I never believe that LE does not know what is going on in bars, saunas, MP's around Asia.
They do know.
But sometime. Depends on the country. They might need an evidence.
Sometime rais are unsuccessfull as someone rings the venue place before. .
So it can be possible. I am not saying it is a rule. That som epalces prefer not to mix locals and farangs to prevent a raid with farangs in!
Has anyone visited this bar in an alley off Thai Van Lung St? If so, could you let me know the deal there as far as the girls who either work there or hang out there go? PM, or reply here please.
Thanks,
JD
You can see and chat with some nice girls at Voodoo Bar on HTM St in D1. Thuy (tone up) is a nice and very skinny girl with dark skin and unusually large breasts for one so slim. She has braces on her teeth and while she is not what I would call beautiful, she is attractive and sexy and speaks English well enough. Hai is shorter and whiter and also very slim. She has really large eyes. Huge eyes in fact and her English is bordering on excellent. Even with the music, she seems to understand whatever you say, although there is some sadness about her, like she is trying hard to improve herself and learn English well, but she is stuck only working as a bartender at night.
I saw many other girls there as well, including one with huge blow-up style fake tits and another very cute, kind of nerdy looking one with glasses.
Girls seem to move between this place and Moon Bar on Pasteur and Chili Pub also on HTM. They don't seem to change with the Number 5 Bar girls.
Beers start at around 30k, maybe 25k for draught. Bottles are around 900k.
JD
On a recent night during Tet holiday when almost nothing was open around town, I spotted a quite nice looking girl (in a dress and high-heels) who entered Go2 bar and went upstairs. I followed, but never did pop the question. She did seem to be working. So my question: what are the expected prices these days for girls in Go2?
On a recent night during Tet holiday when almost nothing was open around town, I spotted a quite nice looking girl (in a dress and high-heels) who entered Go2 bar and went upstairs. I followed, but never did pop the question. She did seem to be working. So my question: what are the expected prices these days for girls in Go2?I think it's about $100 USD. The same as at the other tourist traps and short-timer places around HBT St. Although those girls at Go2 get to keep all or most of it if they are really FL. Just a smaller commission to pay.
JD
Alwayshard45
02-20-11, 04:20
But sometime. Depends on the country. They might need an evidence.
Sometime rais are unsuccessfull as someone rings the venue place before. . I think this has nothing to do with needing evidence. Its all about the bribe money. Who pays, who pays well and when they stop paying. They will be shut down. Simple as that.
I think it's about $100 USD. The same as at the other tourist traps and short-timer places around HBT St. Although those girls at Go2 get to keep all or most of it if they are really FL. Just a smaller commission to pay.
JDNot sure, man. Go2 is BACKPACKER area. Pham Ngu Lao has always been a lower rung place to pick up pricewise. When it was 200-250 near the bridge and other spots like that, PNL was 300. I once got the absolute hottest girl I ever took back on De Tham, just 250. Maybe 4 yrs ago. She was one of these who worked a week or so and quit. Never did see her again. She didn't even have a phone. Yeah, you get outrageous "offers" everywhere of course, if they think you're a tourist and might bite (and that describes some of the guys who post here, the ones who are in and out, and aren't familiar with the bottom lines -- which is where you could have heard that it was $100 at Go2). So I guess I'm asking those who frequent that scene, if anyone does. Big if. Now I KNOW that ain't your scene. Not mine either. Maybe the best way to find out is to just go back again and find out. Ugh, that means staying up til 2am.
I heard some tourist guy died in Go2 during Tet. Alcohol poisoning or heart attack or something.
Not sure, man. Go2 is BACKPACKER area. Pham Ngu Lao has always been a lower rung place to pick up pricewise. When it was 200-250 near the bridge and other spots like that, PNL was 300.Pham Ngu Lao "area" is backpacker central. Go-2 Disco (upstairs) is an "upper-middle class" freelancer place.
The girls that walk around outside are pretty skanky. They can be had for 500K; not sure how much lower you can get them for. They're skanky, but they're in a foreign area, and probably expect more than the local price.
The upstairs Go-2 disco starts late. The girls wear nice dresses. The girls are cuter than the girls outside and in the Blow and Go places. I was told by an ex-pat that they cost around $100; you probably can negotiate; wondering how low they will go. But remember that on the weekends, they also have to pay that drink cover of approx 110K. On the weekdays, not sure if they have to buy a drink; but I see most of them have a drink. They have expenses they need to recover.
Yeah, you get outrageous "offers" everywhere of course, if they think you're a tourist and might bite (and that describes some of the guys who post here, the ones who are in and out, and aren't familiar with the bottom lines -- which is where you could have heard that it was $100 at Go2).
Exactly, that's how the market price is set. The cute ones will wait for the tourist. You can always get a lower price for the ugly ones.
. Go-2 Disco (upstairs) is an "upper-middle class" freelancer place.
The girls that walk around outside are pretty skanky. They can be had for 500K; not sure how much lower you can get them for. They're skanky, but they're in a foreign area, and probably expect more than the local price.
The upstairs Go-2 disco starts late. The girls wear nice dresses. The girls are cuter than the girls outside and in the Blow and Go places. I was told by an ex-pat that they cost around $100; you probably can negotiate; wondering how low they will go. But remember that on the weekends, they also have to pay that drink cover of approx 110K. On the weekdays, not sure if they have to buy a drink; but I see most of them have a drink. They have expenses they need to recover. Go2 Disco "upper middle class"? Puhlease. The 'talent' in the crowd are those that come over from Apo after it starts to wind down, and who haven't been picked up yet. The rest of the crowd are the hardcore partyers who head to Go2 after the 2am closing time of most other bars and clubs and who want to party on till about 4-5 am.
Go2 Disco "upper middle class"? Puhlease. The 'talent' in the crowd are those that come over from Apo after it starts to wind down, and who haven't been picked up yet. The rest of the crowd are the hardcore partyers who head to Go2 after the 2am closing time of most other bars and clubs and who want to party on till about 4-5 am.If I wantto pay that much I can stay in Cali, and get a good massage and FS, if you go ou to the airport, on a bike turn right at the road by CT plaza, follow the road keeping to the right by the air services traing center and the moto girls will find you. 700k for long time, some lookers there
If I wantto pay that much I can stay in Cali, and get a good massage and FS, if you go ou to the airport, on a bike turn right at the road by CT plaza, follow the road keeping to the right by the air services traing center and the moto girls will find you. 700k for long time, some lookers thereThe street you mention is Hong Ha.
CT Plaza is also known as Parkson Department store.
The girls used to be up at the end of Hong Ha, where the new function center, pool halls are, They had to move down to the "darker" area away from the lit up spots.
Not many lookers, perhaps 1 in 10. Head out there around 1830 and you will see some.
Go2 Disco "upper middle class"? Puhlease. The 'talent' in the crowd are those that come over from Apo after it starts to wind down, and who haven't been picked up yet. The rest of the crowd are the hardcore partyers who head to Go2 after the 2am closing time of most other bars and clubs and who want to party on till about 4-5 am.Leftovers sometimes isn't that bad. LOL! Or maybe it's them trying to find their 2nd customer of the day.
If I can remember correctly from last year, there were 6s and 7s there (and of course some ugly ones). Isn't that uppper middle?
I thought Apocalypse Now had a lot of marginal girls. But since it's a large bar, there were a few decent ones.
The street you mention is Hong Ha.
CT Plaza is also known as Parkson Department store.
The girls used to be up at the end of Hong Ha, where the new function center, pool halls are, They had to move down to the "darker" area away from the lit up spots.
Not many lookers, perhaps 1 in 10. Head out there around 1830 and you will see some.Thanks, Mike it has been awhile sonce I was out there
I get the girls at Go2 (and surrounding area) to go for 1 million VND (around $45 now) for short time and I've had a couple of 8's also.
I get the girls at Go2 (and surrounding area) to go for 1 million VND (around $45 now) for short time and I've had a couple of 8's also.For the "surrounding area", do you mean the Buffalo Disco across the street? I saw a few open air hostess bars in that area; not sure what type of scene or prices they have. The girls that hang out outside walking around that area should accept between 500K to 700K; not sure how much lower they will go.
For the "surrounding area", do you mean the Buffalo Disco across the street? I saw a few open air hostess bars in that area; not sure what type of scene or prices they have. The girls that hang out outside walking around that area should accept between 500K to 700K; not sure how much lower they will go.By "surrounding area" I mean the area around the Go2 bar which includes Crazy Buffalo, AllezBoo. 17 and all the bars on De Tham and all the motorbike girls that cruise the area. I think 500K is only possible at the end of the night and then for the really scuzzy ones.
By "surrounding area" I mean the area around the Go2 bar which includes Crazy Buffalo, AllezBoo. 17 and all the bars on De Tham and all the motorbike girls that cruise the area. I think 500K is only possible at the end of the night and then for the really scuzzy ones.All the prices will be higher, the quality lower and the chance of getting ripped-off higher in this area as described. It is the single worst place for mongering in all of HCMC. Just look at the type of people hanging there and looking for 'it. '
JD
Alwayshard45
03-01-11, 08:40
All the prices will be higher, the quality lower and the chance of getting ripped-off higher in this area as described. It is the single worst place for mongering in all of HCMC. Just look at the type of people hanging there and looking for 'it. '
JDI agree with you JD. That whole area is horrible, lots of scams and low quality girls mostly on drugs. I stay clear of the Pham area.
Hello Fellow Mongers,
Anyone been to a karoke om place at 118c huynh van banh, in Q PN, looks ok, but not a soul there speaks English, girls I see going in there look better than average? Just curious, my viet is slim.
Thanks
All the prices will be higher, the quality lower and the chance of getting ripped-off higher in this area as described. It is the single worst place for mongering in all of HCMC. Just look at the type of people hanging there and looking for 'it. '
JDSo what is the best place for mongering JD?
I think 500K is only possible at the end of the night and then for the really scuzzy ones.IMO, I thought all the girls walking outside were "scuzzy".
There's 2 types of girls in the Pham Ngu Lao area. The ugly girls walking outside, and the cuter girls inside the discos who are more expensive.
Alwayshard45
03-03-11, 16:59
Hello, Fellow Mongers,
Anyone been to a karoke om place at 118c huynh van banh, in Q PN, looks ok, but not a soul there speaks English, girls I see going in there look better than average? Just curious, my viet is slim.
ThanksSorry I've never been there. PN is way far off the beaten track. Haha. If you are looking for good bia om's you are better to head over to Q. BT district, near PN. Those spots over there are famous, have large selection, and great service.
So what is the best place for mongering JD?Uhhhhh, I don't know Jak, have you read anything here at all? Lots of guys have contributed lots of info over the past few months or so and taken plenty of time and effort in doing so. Do we really have to repeat it all because you refuse to read?
JD
Uhhhhh, I don't know Jak, have you read anything here at all? Lots of guys have contributed lots of info over the past few months or so and taken plenty of time and effort in doing so. Do we really have to repeat it all because you refuse to read?
JDNo need to be so offensive JD. I have read all of this site. I was just curious what your opinion was.
No need to be so offensive JD. I have read all of this site. I was just curious what your opinion was.If you have read all the site you would know that there is no "mongering" place in HCMC. And you would certainly know that I have never withheld any opinions, so no need to ask me my opinions. This is not Thailand or the PI. There is no Nana Entertainment Plaza, no Soi Cowboy, no AC Bars and GoGos. Just a couple of strips with some Blow and Go Barbershops, a few take away brothel bars with the whole Bar Fine Ladydrink rip-off game, and a couple of strips for finding moto girls and streetwalkers in the afternoons and evenings. ALL of it detailed here with maps, prices and everything that you claim to have read but didn't.
You know, some of you guys may wonder why nearly every contributor to the Forum who has any knowledge of this place has dropped out. It's because they post, they contribute, and then newbies come on and ask the exact questions these posters just took their time and energy to write about and which those new posters are simply unable or unwilling to read. I was not being offensive. What's offensive is coming on with your first post, obviously not have read anything or not remembering anything you read, then asking broad questions, all of which you can find the answers to in detail here.
JD
You know, some of you guys may wonder why nearly every contributor to the Forum who has any knowledge of this place has dropped out. It's because they post, they contribute, and then newbies come on and ask the exact questions these posters just took their time and energy to write about and which those new posters are simply unable or unwilling to read. I was not being offensive. What's offensive is coming on with your first post, obviously not have read anything or not remembering anything you read, then asking broad questions, all of which you can find the answers to in detail here.
JDWhat you've written here applies to nearly every topic on the site. Bravo!
Chinkyman3526
03-27-11, 18:34
Thank you, thank you
You know, some of you guys may wonder why nearly every contributor to the Forum who has any knowledge of this place has dropped out. It's because they post, they contribute, and then.
JDSomeone called JD knows better.
Someone called JD knows better.Maybe wrong assumption.
Quote Originally Posted by Johndao.
"You know, some of you guys may wonder why nearly every contributor to the Forum who has any knowledge of this place has dropped out. It's because they post, they contribute, and then."
JD.
Someone called JD knows better.
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OK Rob, so you don't like me and maybe you are right, but I think that's just part of the give and take, that's how guys talk. Someone writes or says something, and others go "nah, I don't think so, it's like this." This isn't a business meeting, it's a Sex Forum. It's not always necessary to say "Well, you may be right in part, but in my opinion. . . Blah blah blah." We should be big boys, we should be able to be blunt. But from the PM's I exchange with others who have been here a while, it's just they get tired of only giving info, getting nothing in return except the same questions that have already been discussed in many posts, and endless PM's asking for all the info in brief because they won't or can't read the Forum. And I also have to say it IS very difficult to read through the Forum as we can't do it by topic or thread as in other Forums, only by these ridiculous pre-formed threads like 'Massage' 'Bars and Clubs' etc.
JD
I'll be in HCMC from April 2nd until the 18th. If anyone wants to meet up for a drink or something, send me a PM.
If you have read all the site you would know that there is no "mongering" place in HCMC. And you would certainly know that I have never withheld any opinions, so no need to ask me my opinions. This is not Thailand or the PI. There is no Nana Entertainment Plaza, no Soi Cowboy, no AC Bars and GoGos. Just a couple of strips with some Blow and Go Barbershops, a few take away brothel bars with the whole Bar Fine Ladydrink rip-off game, and a couple of strips for finding moto girls and streetwalkers in the afternoons and evenings. ALL of it detailed here with maps, prices and everything that you claim to have read but didn't.
JDI ask a simple, friendly question JD and you go on a hostile rant. Of course there are mongering places here (as you confirm) although clearly they are not as varied or extensive as in Thailand or PI. Your previous post described PNL as the "single worst place for mongering" implying you thought there were better. I simply asked which places you, as an experienced monger, recommend. Maybe it's posts like yours that drive people away.
Maybe it's posts like yours that drive people away.Maybe if posters actually read back more than 1-2 pages of the forum, took notes then when they ask questions they won't come across as a total waste of time.
Everything JD mentioned is still on the forum.
Its your duty and it shows respect and appreciation to the contributors to go back a few pages and take notes. You would expect the same of others right?
The info that has been posted has taken a long time to gather. Some members have taken weeks, months and even years to collect and been kind enough to post up their findings so a new member can look back and learn in minutes (or hours if you want to be thorough) what would have been next to impossible to gather on your own. Believe us when we all say mongering in VN is terrible. Girls here are brought up to keep their legs closed until they ae married.
Jakkov you aren't the first and sadly won't be the last to want information spoon fed to you.
I suggest you go back a few pages, make some notes of locations, times and prices. Then come and ask your questions. Ie Is XXXX street better than YYYYY street regarding ZZZZZZ type girls? Something that shows you have had a read will get you results from numerous members.
Good luck.
Maybe if posters actually read back more than 1-2 pages of the forum, took notes then when they ask questions they won't come across as a total waste of time.Jakkov you aren't the first and sadly won't be the last to want information spoon fed to you.
I really don't get you guys. I simply enquirer of JD what his favorite place is and this is the response I get. For your information I have read every page on HCMC bars and looked at JD's postings. Nowhere does he say. Not that I'm remotely interested now I know more about him, and you for that matter.
Marco Schouten
04-03-11, 21:36
Maybe if posters actually read back more than 1-2 pages of the forum, took notes then when they ask questions they won't come across as a total waste of time.
Good luckWell I've been reading until October 2010. Don't shoot me but in my opinion only the actual information is relevant. Older posts are of course interesting but could be outdated. I will be coming in 3 months so I still have time to read all your contributions.
Not that I'm remotely interested now I know more about him, and you for that matter.Since you know so much about me now, you will know that I don't bother visiting bars and clubs. Which is the title of this section. Perhaps try reading another section called Massage Parlors. Plenty of info to be found in there.
Since you are wanting to know about the "best" place to monger try visiting Apo and trying your luck, If you can't pick up there then try GO2 bar. Failing that then go visit BiBo Spa on Hong Ha out in Tan Binh. Pick someone out from the lineup and have fun.
Goodluck.
Well I've been reading until October 2010. Don't shoot me but in my opinion only the actual information is relevant. Older posts are of course interesting but could be outdated. I will be coming in 3 months so I still have time to read all your contributions.Good work mate, Keep reading until a few yrs back. Check the photo gallery for maps JD and others have kindly posted with highlighted / marked areas.
Most locations are still around, the girls will have changed. It is hard to get info due to the layout of the forum with its fixed sections but you can become familiar with it.
Good work mate, Keep reading until a few yrs back. Check the photo gallery for maps JD and others have kindly posted with highlighted / marked areas.
Most locations are still around, the girls will have changed. It is hard to get info due to the layout of the forum with its fixed sections but you can become familiar with it. Yes, this constant problem with new readers unable to easily find info which has already been posted is a major drawback to the Forum and a severe annoyance and disincentive to regular posters and contributors to continue.
If the Forum had a threaded view and Stickys like other Forums it would be much more user friendly. For example: Sticky. Places with cheap fixed price blowjobs. Just click on it and all the addresses, prices, maps would be there. Instead users must scroll through dozens of pages to find what they need.
JD
Marco Schouten
04-09-11, 21:48
Yes, this constant problem with new readers unable to easily find info which has already been posted is a major drawback to the Forum and a severe annoyance and disincentive to regular posters and contributors to continue.
JDQuite right Johndao (I hesitate to call you JD as I have not contributed anything yet). I understand that some of the newbies are indeed lazy. The tips and tricks that you and the others give are priceless.
@Mik Hcmc thanks for your kind remarks.
This will be my first trip to the far east and I will surely write some reports.
Quite right Johndao (I hesitate to call you JD as I have not contributed anything yet). I understand that some of the newbies are indeed lazy. The tips and tricks that you and the others give are priceless.
@Mik Hcmc thanks for your kind remarks.
This will be my first trip to the far east and I will surely write some reports. Hi Marco. Call me JD. No, really, it's OK.
I'm glad you appreciate the help you can get here unlike some other whiners / whingers who slam and flame when they don't get spoonfed custom info before they read the Forum. Yeah, Jac, Soul, others, you know who you are.
JD
FriendlyPlanet
04-12-11, 06:17
Hi Marco. Call me JD. No, really, it's OK.
I'm glad you appreciate the help you can get here unlike some other whiners / whingers who slam and flame when they don't get spoonfed custom info before they read the Forum. Yeah, Jac, Soul, others, you know who you are.
JDJD,
Honestly, just ignore the trolls- there's a reason why his handle is Jackoff. I was able to find plenty of good places in HCM on my last visit by searching through the reports, downloading the maps, and putting in my time on the streets. Now, I'll never do as well as a local in a place like HCM, but was able to find decent lookers and good service- enough to post some pictures and a brief report.
Friendly
hi guys,
i'll be visiting vietnam for 6 months starting mid july in saigon. do you guys know where the hip clubs are were mostly locals go to? i read some of this on other post and most had info around the d1 area with mix or mostly tourist even. i read that d3 i think. has a few local clubs but i'm not sure if that info is out dated or not since there was no date on that article.
thank you,
peeka
hi guys,
i'll be visiting vietnam for 6 months starting mid july in saigon. do you guys know where the hip clubs are were mostly locals go to? i read some of this on other post and most had info around the d1 area with mix or mostly tourist even. i read that d3 i think. has a few local clubs but i'm not sure if that info is out dated or not since there was no date on that article.
thank you,
peekatry this: http://vietnamservice.web.officelive.com/discos.aspx (other types of places elsewhere on that site)
Thank You Wendella! This site has some other info I wanted for pooning too!
Can't wait till I go on the hunt!
hi guys,
i'll be visiting vietnam for 6 months starting mid july in saigon. do you guys know where the hip clubs are were mostly locals go to?
peekawhen you go to these "hip clubs" make sure you tell the guy pouring your cognac vsop not to put coke with it. for some strange reason the locals think its normal. perhaps they are too used to the knockoff's and need the coke to disguise the taste of industrial alcohol.
When you go to these "hip clubs" make sure you tell the guy pouring your cognac vsop not to put coke with it. For some strange reason the locals think its normal. Perhaps they are too used to the knockoff's and need the coke to disguise the taste of industrial alcohol.I'll make sure to tell them that, it's funny you said that because even here in canada when my uncle would throw a drinking party. I want to spell it out in vietnamese but I don't even know what it's called in english! LOL but they would mix ANY hard liquor with coke or sprit.
Beer Monger
06-01-11, 22:40
Actually it's kind of ironic that one of the main things that makes the forums difficult to navigate is all the posts complaining about newbies and how difficult the forums are to navigate. I know I'm not helping with this post. Just saying.
I think maybe what Jackson needs to do is get a couple of the more senior members to act as moderators. I know he spends a lot of time hosting these forums and moderating Argentina Private, but there is no way with the size these forums have gotten that they could all be moderated by one person!
Going on business again next month, but I'm very depress that the bars you guys talked about will not cater Vietnamese. My client however is Korean, so I'm not sure how that would work with both of us entering the bar. Maybe I'll try my luck, really want to try 91 out from all your reports. Have any of you pros ever witness the girls servicing Vietnamese in general at these bars?
Any advices or bars you guys think that will not give me a hard time because I'm a Vietnamese American?
Also if you guys are bored between July 4th to Aug 4th pm me, drinks on me =)
Thanks
Going on business again next month, but I'm very depress that the bars you guys talked about will not cater Vietnamese. My client however is Korean, so I'm not sure how that would work with both of us entering the bar. Maybe I'll try my luck, really want to try 91 out from all your reports. Have any of you pros ever witness the girls servicing Vietnamese in general at these bars?
Any advices or bars you guys think that will not give me a hard time because I'm a Vietnamese American?
Also if you guys are bored between July 4th to Aug 4th pm me, drinks on me =)
ThanksHey don't worry about it. I am an expat living in HCMC. I'm Asian and speak well enough Vietnamese that most people think I'm a Viet Kieu and I've never had any problems. I've been to Bin Bin on LTT twice. I would like to check out 91 some time soon.
First of all, thanks to all the members who have posted some very good information. I have read through large parts of it and have some very specific questions which I hope someone can answer.
1) It seems like the billiard bars in District 1 are generally open until midnight. Due to work meetings, I won't be able to get free until after midnight. Can anyone recommend any bars that will be open and also are likely to have a good selection of girls for takeout?
2) Being there on work, I will have to stay in one of the 4 star hotels which are supposedly not guest friendly. Which of the 4 star hotels are right adjacent to or very near cheap hotels where you can take the girl? Seems like that could be good business for such cheaper hotels.
Thanks in advance.
1) It seems like the billiard bars in District 1 are generally open until midnight. Due to work meetings, I won't be able to get free until after midnight. Can anyone recommend any bars that will be open and also are likely to have a good selection of girls for takeout?They're generally open til 2am, some later. In the past 91 has closed as early as midnight, and I'm not sure about these days but wouldn't be surprised if it's also open til 2am nowadays. If you make the rounds before 2, nearly all of them should still be open. 29 would probably go much later.
Hey don't worry about it. I am an expat living in HCMC. I'm Asian and speak well enough Vietnamese that most people think I'm a Viet Kieu and I've never had any problems. I've been to Bin Bin on LTT twice. I would like to check out 91 some time soon.Thanks for the input, Let's check out 91 together!
I've been living in HCM for about a year now and recently decided to give Hai Ba Trung a try. Up until now I've spent most of my time in a so-called Sports Bar on Bui Vien (Santa Cafe corner, next to Mumtaz). Same idea as Hai Ba Trung I guess, just not quite as extreme (not much goes on in the bar, but you can take all the girls home). Two of these girls happen to be gorgeous and up until now I've been content with taking them to my place a couple of times a week.
Anyway, I decided to give the billiard bars on Hai Ba Trung a try and must say that the star ratings posted here by somebody are pretty accurate. No. 91 is great, but if you're fairly young like me (29) , don't expect the girls to be overly interested in you. I got lucky and the girl who did sit next to me was very young and, imo, very pretty. I had a couple of drinks / ladydrinks and decided to take her home. Service was excellent. She charged 1, 2 million, I gave her 1, 5. I believe I paid 600, 000 in the bar, which seemed far too much.
The following day I went to No 53, which also deserves the 3star rating. Not that many girls present, but they are all pretty cute. Unfortunately, I didn't take my time and sat down with a girl who was probably one of the less attractive ones and also a bit older. But as I said, these girls are all pretty cute, so I wasn't too disappointed. I played the usual billiard game (you lose you pay 10 USD, you win I strip) and, sadly, lost. But by that time I was pretty horny, so asked for BJ. I was already quite intoxicated and can't really remember what I paid, but I have the feeling I paid far to much (maybe 40 USD for the girl) and also quite a lot for bar.
When we went upstairs she asked whether I wanted a condom. I was a bit confused as I thought she was just going to give me a BJ, but I nodded thinking maybe she wanted to fuck after all. Anyway, it turned out she did just want to give me BJ, so either she wanted to use a condom or she thought I preferred using one. Not sure. As I said, I was pretty drunk by that time and although she tried hard she could finish me.
Slightly disappointed I went to the next bar down (No 49) , which I found rather disappointing. I did choose the most attractive girl and even took her home, but she was at best average. Maybe it already too late (definitely after midnight). When I left the lights were all on and I got a pretty good luck of the girls. None of them were much imo.
But now to my actual question.
When you leave these bars there are always guys standing around offering girls for very low prices (around 600, 000).
Has anybody any experience with these girls? Are they young / pretty? How is the place they take you to?
I've been living in HCM for about a year now and recently decided to give Hai Ba Trung a try. Up until now I've spent most of my time in a so-called Sports Bar on Bui Vien (Santa Cafe corner, next to Mumtaz). Same idea as Hai Ba Trung I guess, just not quite as extreme (not much goes on in the bar, but you can take all the girls home). Two of these girls happen to be gorgeous and up until now I've been content with taking them to my place a couple of times a week.
Anyway, I decided to give the billiard bars on Hai Ba Trung a try and must say that the star ratings posted here by somebody are pretty accurate. No. 91 is great, but if you're fairly young like me (29) , don't expect the girls to be overly interested in you. I got lucky and the girl who did sit next to me was very young and, imo, very pretty. I had a couple of drinks / ladydrinks and decided to take her home. Service was excellent. She charged 1, 2 million, I gave her 1, 5. I believe I paid 600, 000 in the bar, which seemed far too much.
But now to my actual question.
When you leave these bars there are always guys standing around offering girls for very low prices (around 600, 000).
Has anybody any experience with these girls? Are they young / pretty? How is the place they take you to? Dear Mate,
Many thanks for your sharing,
I think I will give 91 a try but since this is totally new to me and I only stay in HCM for only a very very short couple of nights at hotel continental, so I really need some guidance as I was totally confuse with what I have read around here even with those roads name. I try to google but I think 91 should be near to my hotel which is located in Dong Khoi, that is so far what I knew.
On the other hand, I wonder if this billards bars means you have to play Billiards with those gals? I was more aquainted with the Bangkok go go bars that you simply sit and enjoy your beers with those lovelies dancing on the stage and you select later the one yu like most.
Furthermore, I understand in HCM you can not bring girls to your hotel room unless you booked another room, so I wonder if there is any ST room in those billards bar? Or perhaps that you can do your deeds right there?
I understand that beers or drinks normally cost vn30, 000 and LD about vnd50, 000. For st is it cost vnd1. 2million or is this for LT? If so, then how much for ST?
As I am coming on a business trip with a colleque that I don't want to let him knows my extra curricular activities. So please my dear mongers brotehrs, please give me or share with me some of your important guidlines on this. I hope to enjoy thise vn lovelies same as I did with the thais.
Cheers,
MD
Dear Mate,
Many thanks for your sharing,
I think I will give 91 a try but since this is totally new to me and I only stay in HCM for only a very very short couple of nights at hotel continental, so I really need some guidance as I was totally confuse with what I have read around here even with those roads name. I try to google but I think 91 should be near to my hotel which is located in Dong Khoi, that is so far what I knew. Yes, it's right at the corner at the crossing where you would turn left to Caravelle Hotel.
You can't really miss it. I believe it has a big 91 written on the door.
On the other hand, I wonder if this billards bars means you have to play Billiards with those gals? I was more aquainted with the Bangkok go go bars that you simply sit and enjoy your beers with those lovelies dancing on the stage and you select later the one yu like most.No need to play billiard if you don't want to. I've just noticed they all do the same "I win / you lose" wager. The girls play pretty well and it is not unlikely that you will lose, but it can be fun and you can get a good look at their tits.
Furthermore, I understand in HCM you can not bring girls to your hotel room unless you booked another room, so I wonder if there is any ST room in those billards bar? Or perhaps that you can do your deeds right there?If you're staying in an upper class hotel you won't be able to take a girl to your room. I rent an apartment, so haven't got this problem.
But the girls will always know a cheap place to go that offers rooms by the hour.
Not sure about fucking in the bar. I think I read that in Tien Loc (No. 23) it's no problem. The place I went last night was BJ only (upstairs). I asked if I could fuck her, but she said her boss would not allow it. I guess it's more lucrative for them if you have to pay the bar fine.
I understand that beers or drinks normally cost vn30, 000 and LD about vnd50, 000. For st is it cost vnd1. 2million or is this for LT? If so, then how much for ST?I don't normally drink beer, but I think you'd have to bargain to get the beer for 30, 000. I normally drink Gin / Tonic, which is always 60, 000.
1. 2 million is for ST. 2 million for LT. What happened to me the other night was that we didn't get too my place until way after midnight. By the time we'd finished she was tired and fell asleep. Which was nice. I like waking up with a naked girl in my arms.
As I am coming on a business trip with a colleque that I don't want to let him knows my extra curricular activities. So please my dear mongers brotehrs, please give me or share with me some of your important guidlines on this. I hope to enjoy thise vn lovelies same as I did with the thais.Not sure how I can help you in that respect, but if you need company let me know. I prefer going to these places with somebody else, but most of my friends aren't into this pay-as-you-go lifestyle.
If you're staying in an upper class hotel you won't be able to take a girl to your room. I rent an apartment, so haven't got this problem.
1. 2 million is for ST. 2 million for LT. What happened to me the other night was that we didn't get too my place until way after midnight. By the time we'd finished she was tired and fell asleep. Which was nice. I like waking up with a naked girl in my arms. The area near HBT is littered with small cheap hotels.
VND 2 mil for LT! That is way over the top. You need to negotiate more!
The area near HBT is littered with small cheap hotels.
VND 2 mil for LT! That is way over the top. You need to negotiate more!Ya, you are probably right. I'm not very good at negotiating and the girls seem to notice that.
Went to Bin Bin yesterday. Excellent place and the girl I had was incredible: just turned 20, tall, thin and insanely cute. I wanted to take her home and everything seemed fine, but just before we left she said she couldn't. She said there were too many customers, but there weren't that many.
Don't understand it. I'd offered here 100 USD for the night, but for some reason she changed her mind. Maybe a regular had come and she didn't want to disappoint him. No idea.
Thanks Zweibel,
I went just tonight to 91 and also 51 bars. Saw a lots of hot girls and some of them looks young and really hot, I wonder if their make up will be take off, will they still be looking hot as they have it on?
Any, I get in and have a look inside, as I am making first my understanding of the area and not wanting any actions yet, since I just arrived HCM. I asked for the price and girls quote me as follows:
2 dollars for beer.
3 dollars for Lady's drink.
If want to take out girls for ST, I should pay USD 100 all in, which is inclusive of the Bar fine, girls and short time hotel. But if I like LT then it is usd150. Is this the correct price? I don't see that USD 100 for a ST is high but I just want to make surfe that if I pay them that amount, I will not be ruining the market price. Please tell me as soon as posiible, as tommorrow night, I shall be taken some girls out before my flight out of Vietnam on this coming 30th of July. Hope to tast some vietnamese P*ssies before I left the country.
I also have notice some rooms (but not dark rooms) upstairs of 91, is this the place where the girls give you BJ? How much should I pay them in case I prefer to be BJed on that place?
I don't. See any massage parlours with Sex. But there is so many street pims that is too annoying to me. They quote usd30 to 40 but I think its dangerous to be with them.
Cheers,
MD
Going on business again next month, but I'm very depress that the bars you guys talked about will not cater Vietnamese. My client however is Korean, so I'm not sure how that would work with both of us entering the bar. Maybe I'll try my luck, really want to try 91 out from all your reports. Have any of you pros ever witness the girls servicing Vietnamese in general at these bars?
Any advices or bars you guys think that will not give me a hard time because I'm a Vietnamese American?
Also if you guys are bored between July 4th to Aug 4th pm me, drinks on me =)
ThanksNot sure how you will take this, but you're not "Vietnamese" to them even if you are a Vietnamese American. They can tell by the way you dress and the way you smell, and if you open your mouth and even if you speak Vietnamese to them, They will know you are not "Vietnamese". They will serve you just as well as any other foreign tourists with money to spend. To be honest when I was over there shopping at the Ben Thanh Market most of the people there tried to speak broken English to me They just assumed I was not Vietnamese but rather I was from Korea or some other Asian type just not "Vietnamese".
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