Ho Chi Minh City - Bars and Clubs [Archive] - Page 3

Sad Sam

07-25-11, 18:49

Thanks to the veterans of the forum (especially JohnDao and Wendella) , I was armed with information and confidence to monger in HCMC, even on my virgin trip to Vietnam! I didn't speak a word of Vietnamese and on top of that I hardly had any time. I got done with a business dinner very late, around midnight and since I was staying very close to Dong Khoi in District 1, I decided to go for a stroll and check the scene out.

I ran across 29 Dong Khoi and since there were decent reports about it, I thought I would go in. I was the only customer at that time and there must have been at least a dozen women. One of them latched on to me but she didn't float my boat. I looked around for a while and finally found one that was decent looking, not a stunner by any means but cure face, a little older but seemed to have a good body. I called her over and both of them started fondling me. The experience felt good and they suggested that we move upstairs. So, we did and the groping and kissing was in full swing. I bought them both drinks and it was a lot of fun for about 10-15 minutes. But during that time, the cute one kept asking to either go to my room or do it in their back room. Since the experience was very nice up until then, I started the bargaining and finally when we agreed on the price, she asked me to follow her into the back room. It is a very small area with no door or anything, so you can hardly call it a room. But any case, there are a couple of sofas. Immediately she took my clothes off and started a BJ. 2 minutes in and then she puts on a condom and wants me to go missionary. Kept rushing and the usual are you done yet? What was a very enjoyable GFE groping and fondling and kissing session turned into a not very enjoyable session in the back room and as soon as the deed was done, she bolted out.

So, certainly seems like a good place to lead the women on and buy a few drinks and have fun but not sure about taking them for ST. May be taking them to a hotel room is better for service but at least the back room show is not recommended!

Muse Fan

07-27-11, 08:50

Went there last night with a friend.

Went upstairs with a lady each. My girl was named Ly. She was thick in all the right places and maybe a little in the stomach, but she was really cute and spoke a bit of english. She wasn't too receptive at first. We played a game of pool, and I let her win. Then we strike "take of clothes" deal. Only this time I won. She didn't want to pull down her dress in front of my friend which I thought was uncool, so we head into the kitchen. Then she pulls down the top of her dress and I see only a bra. She had big tits, but she didn't want to pull down her bra at all. BULLSHIT! What a jip. Then she asks if I want to take her out or upstairs. She wants 60$. I say discount. She asks me how much do I want to pay. (sigh)

Long story short, she looked good enough to eat. But after the bra thing and the semi-cold attitude, she pretty much got the point that it wasn't going to happen.

I know others have had better experiences there, but I will not return.

Trimix

07-29-11, 02:57

Zweibel

07-30-11, 15:46

I used to be in quite close contact with a girl called Kim who worked at BinBin. Beautiful girl, just turned 20 or so. Anybody know what happened to her?

I haven't seen her for a quite a while and nobody in the bar knows (or does not want) to tell me what happened to her.

Maybe somebody could inquire for me. Cheers.

Wendella

07-31-11, 13:32

I know others have had better experiences there, but I will not return.Don't if you don't want to, but if you went to all the bars and then stopped going every time you had a lemon, soon you wouldn't be going to any of the bars. There aren't any reliably good-service bars, or bad-service bars. In the best service bar (29 Dong Khoi) , you're bound to eventually run into a lemon, and in the worst-service bar (91) you'll eventually hit the jackpot. That's just how it is. Bin Bin is actually one place with generally better service than most. Usually. Not always though.

No idea who Kim is and that manager in that bar is useless when it comes to info. I came back once looking for one who I'd just been with a few wks prior, asked for her by name, manager had no idea who I was talking about. Try offering a reward of 100, 000 (or whatever) to anyone who can put you in contact with her. Someone there almost surely has her phone number. Just make sure everyone there hears you, or word gets passed around. Shouldn't be hard to eventually get either her number or someone who'll help you get in touch. (this begs the question: if you were so close with this one, why didn't you get her number? if thats what happened, rookie error -- and a rookie error I still make as a veteran -- but I realize it's possible you had it and it doesn't work any more, also common)

Sad Sam

08-01-11, 18:01

What was the tottal damage, bro?With all the drinks etc, I think I ended up spending 900K Dong. They don't seem to be very eager to come down from their prices even when there are no customers around!

SailSingapore

08-10-11, 09:00

SailSingapore

08-14-11, 12:06

Went to 51 on Monday night : not bad not good. No bar fine & US$ 50 for the girl. Short term hotel 400, 000 (most 49, 51 & 91 girls use the same hotel)

Last nite 91 : MUCH prettier girls : barfine US 25, Girl US 60 + tip. 1 beer + I girl drink rounded off to 100, 000. Gave mamasan 100, 000 & her sister 100, 000 as I am headed back there again.

Report : pay less get less, pay more get more.Went again to 91 : took same tall slim quiet shy & most HONEST girl (age 22) & repeated the same routine for 2 more days : easier for me to stick to one girl as then she knows my routine & she knows I will tip her.

Nice young mamasan who smiles easily & speaks decent English : she has been there for 2 years (so she says)

Next time to HCMC : 91 for sure. Suits me as I know the prices & the routine there

NewTodd

08-15-11, 06:03

My first post in this forum. I really appreciate the honest and helpful information from everyone. I love mongering, a great stress reliever in Vietnam. I just didn't know it was called mongering before I started frequenting this forum. A girl ("Khanh") who used to work at 35 HBT told me about this site. I am thankful to her!

I would like to contribute an experience I had, about a month or two ago: I was out on a weeknight, and it was raining lightly. I visited couple bars on HBT then walked over to Le Thanh Ton area, and visited Bin Bin and finally, Quan Nho. There were hardly any customers in any of the bars, except for one guy, who was doing the same thing I was, checking out each bar. He was an expat, very large and rotund, with a full beard, maybe late 30s.

When I was at Quan Nho, he had three girls in a corner of that small bar. The girls were all bare naked, hugging each other and giggling. As I said, he was a large guy, so he was able to block the view, but I could tell the girls were frolicking with each other, and he was like this orchestra conductor telling them what to do. He was smoking and having a good time. Finally, all three girls scurried upstairs, naked and laughing, and he followed behind them. Don't know what happened upstairs!

I will never forget the scene though! Hope you like this story.

Todd

NewTodd

08-15-11, 20:03

This is a new "lady bar" at the corner of HBT and Mac Thi Buoi. I was there earlier tonight and when the bill came, it was 160, 000 VND for a lady drink and a Tiger bottle. When I asked for a break-down, the unpleasant girl at the bar said the total included peanuts! I told her that I had not asked for peanuts, and as soon as I said this, she made a face and said "OK, you pay 120 thousand". I paid 120, 000 VND, and said I would never come back.

The girls are below average and from the country-side. Two I talked to said they had just arrived from Mekong Delta.

Bottom line: Avoid.

Todd

Zweibel

08-16-11, 03:32

Thanks for the report.

I don't actually think this bar new. I've known it for quite some time and been there twice.

I had a couple of beers with two ladies. One was too busty for me, the other too old. Obviously I had no other services.

Lady drinks as far as I remember 60, 000.

As for peanuts, I don't think I was offered any. I would imagine they would have been free if you had gone upstairs or taken a girl home. Maybe not.

The only reason I went there a second time was because there was one rather stunning young girl working working there.

But all in all I agree, not a bar I would visit again, although if you are into Greek and appearance does not have priority with you, you might want to check this bar out.

Wendella

08-21-11, 05:57

No Thien Loc definitely isn't 'new'. Though its status is a bit confusing. It had been there in that corner spot for years. Then about a year or more ago, they closed and moved down the street to a bar that was called Cali (and this is very confusing because there also used to be a totally different bar in that same location also called Cali. I suspect making use of the same free neon sign was too tempting to resist). Then that "new" Cali closed and immediately reopened as Thien Loc again in its same previous corner location. It's the type of place that usually has some so-so girls and the occasional stunner. What's good about the place is that the customer service is about 2nd only to 29 Dong Khoi, if you know what I mean. So if you are lucky and find a hot girl there, it's pretty much heaven.

They clearly had this customer New Todd pegged as a newbie (perhaps it was the name?) and played the peanuts-candy trick. You have to always decline those as soon as they appear. If you're recognized as a veteran they won't even try this. But even the final price you got means you still were getting a padded bill. Last time I was out, a beer in these places was 30, 000 or 40, 000 depending on which place you were in (exception: 50, 000 at Quan Nho) and the lady drink 50, 000 no matter where you were. So in your situation, the way to get them to give you that price when you get the inflated bill is to say you were there 2 weeks ago (or whenever) and only paid 30, 000 for a beer. They almost always back down and give you the fair price. At the very least they'll come down halfway to the normal price.

NewTodd

08-21-11, 06:44

say you were there 2 weeks ago (or whenever) and only paid 30, 000 for a beer. They almost always back down and give you the fair price. At the very least they'll come down halfway to the normal price.Good advice! Thanks.

I just don't care for a place where the girls take off their shoes and get into a "relaxed" mode. This place was like that, lots of country girls. Maybe I am expecting too much!

Muse Fan

10-03-11, 14:35

I now live at close to the river by le van luong and tran xuan soan and there are a few cafe's that I pass by everytime I go to work or almost anywhere. I wanted to ask if anyone has any RECENT information on these places. Before I came to vietnam last April, I read as far back as one year and got tons of information, but hardly any on this street. I believe I found 1 post and it didn't give any specific info, only that there were some cafes where you could play with some ladies up and down the street.

I'm asking if anyone can give me info on 1.) types of services available 2.) going rates 3.) possible address recommendation.

I live right around the corner from this street and I intend to pay a visit to at least 1 of theses places. But just like any other store I go to in saigon, I like to go in knowing at least a little bit of what to expect.

Thanks to all and any info is greatly appreciated.

Zweibel

10-04-11, 07:25

Muse Fan

10-05-11, 09:25

I will go there on Friday and let you know.

This is rather far out. Are you sure these places are for foreigners?Whoa, whoa. I never said these places are for foreigners.

It looks like they cater more to the locals. BUT, there is one place that is at the end of le van luong close to my street (tran xuan soan) and occassionally when I pass by and glance at the girls they try to wave me down and invite me inside. So I feel pretty sure they get the occasional foreigner and they know what we're looking for (not intelligent conversation). I must admit there are some rather attractive young looking women at times at at least a few of these places.

NewTodd

10-05-11, 09:38

they know what we're looking for (not intelligent conversation).Where would one go for intelligent conversation in HCMC? (Insert smiley here!)

Johndao

10-05-11, 13:25

Whoa, whoa. I never said these places are for foreigners.

It looks like they cater more to the locals. BUT, there is one place that is at the end of le van luong close to my street (tran xuan soan) and occassionally when I pass by and glance at the girls they try to wave me down and invite me inside. So I feel pretty sure they get the occasional foreigner and they know what we're looking for (not intelligent conversation). I must admit there are some rather attractive young looking women at times at at least a few of these places.Those places are typical Blow and Gos. Go in, pick the girl, go to the cubicle, get a blow job and go. Very cheap places, rarely will you find a good girl there but sometimes you may. Usually about 150k max incl house and tip. Somebody wrote these places are 'rather far out'. Far out from where? From the airport? Yes, far from the airport. From D1? About 7 mins on bike from Pham Ngu Lao area. From Phu My Hung? Also about 7 mins on bike. Maybe that's far for some.

Muse Fan: Just go into the places. Are you afraid of something? Of what? Losing $10? Of the girls? How do you think others get this info you request here? They go in and check it out and see what's up. Just do it. Yes, the 2 places near the corner of Tran Xuan Soan and LVL across from the petrol station are B and G, very cheap, very so so on the girls but sometimes a good one. I usually pay just 120 at these places. 60 for the house and same for the girl. 150k ok too, with the high inflation nowadays.

JD

Zweibel

10-08-11, 09:16

Where would one go for intelligent conversation in HCMC? (Insert smiley here!)Ca phe thu Bay

Toki Jo

10-08-11, 11:40

Angra

11-15-11, 08:08

Was in HCMC the other night so did the rounds of the District 1 bars.

I don't often visit the bar scene as I am a cheap drunk these days, my nights of drinking all night are well behind me.

I have a favourite massage place in District 4 opposite the port I usually visit and hook up with girls from there when I am in HCMC but I was feeling like a change of scene after getting a starfish girl back to the hotel from that place.

So after grabbing a bite to eat and a couple of beers I decided to start from the 29 Dong Khoi side of town and move up through the evening. It was still fairly early when I arrived. Probably about 2200.

I walked into 29 Dong Khoi and was immediately met by a large breasted girl called Thao. Thee were 20 or so girls there and no customers other then me. Thao was full of life and I liked her big breasts, although I am sure she would not suit every monger. The other girls in there ranged from spectacular to down right scary. As soon as I sat down another 2 or 3 girls tried to get in on the action, massaging my shoulders etc, but I waved them off.

They were asking 40, 000 for a beer and 60, 000 for a LD. I tried to talk it down but it wasn't going to happen.

Thao was all over me and had her tits out straight away. She was a lot of fun and was straight away asking to go to a hotel, first customer of the night for good luck and all that. I hadn't even finished my first beer and the mamasan was there negotiating the deal to go out to the hotel. I told them to slow down and let me enjoy the scene for a bit.

My plan was originally to cruise a few more bars rather then settle on the first girl, but Thao was really doing a good job of getting me worked up. I bought the mamasan a LD and started discussing the price. She wanted 2 000 000 for taking Thao out and 600 000 for the hotel room. I declined stating it was too high, she countered with 2 000 000 the lot and I thought what the fuck.

Thao went and got changed and then mamasan hit me up for a tip, which I thought was a bit much as she had managed to squeeze a few LD's for herself as well as 4 for Thao, I gave her 100 000 which she was happy with. Thao and I hit the taxi and went to a local hotel a few blocks away she said was owned by "the boss". I asked Thao how long she had been on the game, she said "since she was a little girl". We bought a condom from the hotel reception and hit the room, which was surprisingly big and comfortable, clean and well kept.

The sex was great. Not world beating, but certainly great fun. BBBJ, DATY, different positions, and those big ol titites of hers getting lots of action. It was all good, no complaints. There was plenty of affection and kissing as well. It was all nice and good for me. After I'd done all I could we went back to the bar.

There was only one other customer when we went back to the bar, and even more girls then earlier, including plenty of real stunners, and still a few real nasties. Thao changed back to her working clothes and sat with me as affectionate as ever. There was a great vibe in the bar, the other girls were all lots of fun. I asked Thao if she wanted a real drink, instead of the coloured water they pass off as LD's, she wouldn't drink whiskey or similar, so we settled on some Baileys, they warned me of the price which was quite high. Another customer came in, Thao told me he was mamasans man, mamasan was nothing special and a decade or more older then the other girls there, but this guy obviously had his preferences and who am I to judge. The other girls all cheered as mamasan left in a taxi with him within a minute or two of this guy arriving.

I'd been here for quite some time now, and I was definatley pissed, I was determined to hit a few other bars and I was dreading getting the bill after drinking god knows how many baileys. The bill came and I was really surprised. Despite them pouring several double baileys, they had only charged me for 4 in total, plus the beers I had.

I was a little hungry after that so I staggered off looking for some food and saw a guy with a street cart selling Banh Mi, so wandered over there.

While I was certainly not lost but I was a little disoriented after homing in on the Bahn Mi cart and after the beers at 29. Didn't quite know where I was when I realised I was standing out side Thien Loc on the corner with HBT. I hit some super hot chilli in the Bahn Mi so raced for the nearest circle K for a milk drink to put the fire in my mouth out and all of a sudden was opposite 49 and 51 HBT bars.

I went into 49 HBT first, there was a single other customer there and dozens of girls. To me there was not a lot of difference in the selection here then back a 29 Dong Khoi. The girl who came to me was young, tiny and tight. We parked up at the bar and the prices were exactly the same as at 29. Shew was certainly cute, in a world scale she would have to rate higher then Thao over at 29 and she looked real young, but she wasn't really my thing, and she was a bit shy. She was good for a cuddle and bit of a feel. She let me play with her pussy and it was all good but after one beer for me, one LD for her, a small tip, I walked next door.

Into 51 HBT, a few customers in here, drinks and LD's the same price again. There were so many girls here, you tripped over them coming in the door. My girl was straight away affectionate and again settled in at the bar. She started rubbing my cock straight away but between the work out with Thao earlier and the numerous drinks he was slow to react. I told her what I had been doing all night so she said she would give me a blowjob to bring him back on the job. She offered to take me upstairs but I knew I was to far gone to enjoy it. We played at the bar for a while, she was a top class girl, neatly trimmed tight little pussy, but I was too far gone. I gave her a tip, paid for the drinks and staggered out.

I should have headed for home but I was already outside 91. This placed was packed with punters, but in my humble opinion the girls are nothing more than the girls at the other bars. Definitely dressed in more expensive clothes, definitely with a bit more attitude, definitely a higher ratio of stunners, but I really don't believe any better then the others. To me this bar just didn't have the atmosphere of the others, it seems almost clinical. The girl was pleasant, attractive, professional, but too professional compared to the other bars. I finished my beer quickly, she had two LD's in that time, I passed her a tip, bearing in mind I had been there for all of 20 mins at the most and she bitched about the tip not being enough. Given she did nothing and had two LD's in that short time I didn't care and left.

I had started the night with grand ideas but blown it all in the foirst bar, but I was happy. I had thought about heading over to Bin Bin but although the night was relatively early (just hitting midnight) I broke for home. The last block home I was followed by a woman with a girl on the back of the motorbike trying to get me to take the girl. She didn't look half bad actually, but I was done and happy to end the night with some solid sleep.

MutantChicken

11-16-11, 05:19

Nice report angara. Appreciate the effort. Tho its accepted that 91 is a japanese connected bar so the girls there are spoilt and bitchy. Even so 2mill st is a rip off. (the accepted rate is 1. 2 st and 2mill overnight). As the korean brothels its 600k for 1. 5hrs. I had a 18yr that I hooked at a cafe om 300k overnight. Tho she is a crack smoker so she has turned for the worse. So not going to go down that path again.

Raverboy

11-16-11, 10:55

Anyone venturing into this bar, avoid a WG called 'V'. Rushed service, negotiated $100 for a 2 hr stay with multiple pops but on arrival in my hotel she tried to ask the money up front then tried to eave after just 30 minutes. Her personality completely changed. V is a short viet girl, long waist length hair but a total disappointment and one of my worst experiences ever.

I did threaten to just give her half but decided not worth it for the hassle as she suddenly broke down in a sulky mood and started crying. Good thing about the hotel I'd the reception called me to check if if was ok for her to leave.In 3. 5 years of living in HCMC, I've had 2 similar incidents in total, both were pick-ups from Apocalypse.

In one of the incidents. 2 hrs 2 pops was negotiated for VND 1. 8M (USD100 at the time). Went to a ST hotel of my choosing on my motorbike. After the first pop, she got dressed and made motions to leave. So I offered her half the agreed rate (VND900k). She wouldn't accept, blocking the room door and me from leaving. I calmly left the bills on the bed and with a little force, physically remove her from the door. I went downstairs, returned the keys to the reception on the way, got on my bike and left.

The crying is a front to get you to lower your defences. They are gambling that you will think exactly that. 'not do anything / not worth it for the hassle'. That is why I always have a shortlist of ST hotels of my own I take them to. Never let the girl take you to her suggested hotel. In your case the security is obliged to help you as you are a paying guest. A phone call to reception and a request to remove a no-longer-wanted guest should be honoured and greased with a small 'tip'.

I suspect there is a 'cartel' of girls who operate in Apo, all with the same MO. Punters you have been warned. Watch yourselves out there.

Nail The World

11-17-11, 01:54

The last block home I was followed by a woman with a girl on the back of the motorbike trying to get me to take the girl. She didn't look half bad actually, but I was done and happy to end the night with some solid sleep.VERY NICE that you didn't take up the offer. Your pocket would have been picked and you would have got NOTHING. Surprised you were not aware. These girls, paraded by old women on bikes, are very good looking, in full make up. And the way it works is that they never have to take their makeup off. Drama is enacted within 3 minutes of being in the room, the girls pops out and you find your pocket 90% empty. They do leave enough cash for you to get home.

Raverboy

11-18-11, 09:27

...I have a favourite massage place in District 4 opposite the port I usually visit and hook up with girls from there when I am in HCMC but I was feeling like a change of scene after getting a starfish girl back to the hotel from that place...

Mind sharing with us some details about this place? Ticket price, level of service offered (HJ/BJ/FJ) , facilities, foot/body/both, regular/VIP rooms? If you are in a particularly good sharing mood, perhaps tag numbers of good talent at this place. :D

Angra

11-25-11, 11:23

Mind sharing with us some details about this place? Ticket price, level of service offered (HJ/BJ/FJ) , facilities, foot/body/both, regular/VIP rooms? If you are in a particularly good sharing mood, perhaps tag numbers of good talent at this place. :DIt's the massage place straight opposite the port. There's only one. Top few floors of a cheap hotel. Its the Saigon Port Massage, straight opposite front gate of the port (Cang Saigon)

The numbers seem to change regularly, no's 8 and 9 were my faves but every time I go there the numbers have changed. From there I would arrange to meet them later. I've never got more then a HJ in the place itself and all the girls I've seen there over the years say you'll never get much more in house. Massage price is $10, tip is up to you.

Angra

11-25-11, 11:25

VERY NICE that you didn't take up the offer. Your pocket would have been picked and you would have got NOTHING. Surprised you were not aware. These girls, paraded by old women on bikes, are very good looking, in full make up. And the way it works is that they never have to take their makeup off. Drama is enacted within 3 minutes of being in the room, the girls pops out and you find your pocket 90% empty. They do leave enough cash for you to get home.Mate,

I would never take a girl of the back of a motor bike anywhere is SE Asia at that time of night when I am shit faced drunk.

Angra

11-25-11, 11:27

. Even so 2mill st is a rip off. (the accepted rate is 1. 2 st and 2mill overnight).Maybe so, but I consider myself a good negotiator and I couldn't get below that, and besides it was all good for me.

RedskinzzFans

11-29-11, 08:40

Deptrai

11-30-11, 18:55

I really hate to bother you guys with this, but I really need a little help. I am longtime member of the USA site, but this will be my first trip to Asia. I have read the forum, but I still have no idea about where you guys are talking about. I know nothing about the city. I will be staying at Hoang Hai Long 1 Hotel 56. 58 Pham Hong Thai, where ever that is, LOL. I know there are alot of places in town, probably near me, where I can find some action.

My question is, are there any in walking distance, and even if there is, would it be safe for a lone American to be walking the streets late at night.

Again, I appologize for the intrusion on the board, but this opportunity came up suddenly and I will be there the week after Christmas. There is little time to learn much about that area. I do want to thank the members who have given us the cab info, and the other tips about being ripped off.

Any help you care to offer, will be greatly appreciated.The hotel you staying is just opposite the landmark New World Hotel.

If you are a lone white skin and if you wander out into the street alone with BIG WORDS "NEWBIE" printed all over your face, you will likely be approached by a couple of very pretty "ladies" on their motorbikes and they will ask if you would like to have a boom-boom time for just US$10. If you say yes to them, they will take you on their bike to another hotel for the happy-hour. And that is when you will loose everything and hopefully still have your pants. These "ladies" will take your wallet and monies and run off with it while you are in the shower. And they are actually lady-boys, not real ladies.

Sometimes, these monsters will actually walk right up to you and start talking to you and grabbing your balls and when they go off, you will suddenly realised that your mobile phone and wallet is no longer in your pocket.

So the answer is NO! It is not safe for a lone white skin to walk on the street at night.

Angra

12-06-11, 02:30

Don1010ho

12-06-11, 19:35

I 100% agreed with Angra, HCMC is very safe to walk around at night

RedskinzzFans

12-07-11, 03:55

I appreciate the input. I am not a novice to traveling around the US. Vegas and NYNY are the main places I go. Vegas alot more than anywhere. I know to always be on the lookout, keep an eye on what's going on behind you at all times. I've read many forums in the last couple weeks about over there. Some were not for guys like us, but more for the average tourist. So I know all about the pick-pockets, scams etc.

The main thing I wanted to know, if anybody here cares to share, are there any of the bars with the girls close by the hotel? Say maybe 3 or 4 blocks. Thank for the help. I'm used to walking, in Vegas I've walked from the Stratasphere tp Caesars many times. The cabbies say that's 2 miles. But, I wouldn't want to do it in a strange city, the first time there! I might end up in the wrong alley.

GreenBud

12-09-11, 04:02

The main thing I wanted to know, if anybody here cares to share, are there any of the bars with the girls close by the hotel? Say maybe 3 or 4 blocks. Thank for the help. I'm used to walking, in Vegas I've walked from the Stratasphere tp Caesars many times. The cabbies say that's 2 miles. But, I wouldn't want to do it in a strange city, the first time there! I might end up in the wrong alley.Saigon is one of the safest (if not the safest) large cities in the world. What other large city (more than a few million) is safer?

My advice: Take the taxi. The cost will be just 1 or 2 dollars to most places (it will be around a dollar from your hotel to many places). Get the addresses from Wendella's post and his link to that website. And always take Vinasun or Mai Linh (if you don't want to pay double).

Johndao

12-09-11, 18:12

Saigon is one of the safest (if not the safest) large cities in the world. What other large city (more than a few million) is safer?

My advice: Take the taxi. The cost will be just 1 or 2 dollars to most places (it will be around a dollar from your hotel to many places). Get the addresses from Wendella's post and his link to that website. And always take Vinasun or Mai Linh (if you don't want to pay double).+1 Saigon (HCMC) is very safe for walking around. The only caveat is drunkenness may make you a target, and in all cases, snatchings of bags and phones by motorbike riders is very common. Keep bags and phones away from the street side and stay close to a wall because they will ride up on the sidewalk around the other side if you don't keep something blocking them. You just don't have to worry about people approaching you and threatening violence (mugging) , they will try to pickpocket when in close or snatch. These activities are usually not dangerous, but it is crime and you will lose time and money and valuables if not careful.

JD

Deptrai

12-09-11, 20:32

+1 Saigon (HCMC) is very safe for walking around. The only caveat is drunkenness may make you a target, and in all cases, snatchings of bags and phones by motorbike riders is very common. Keep bags and phones away from the street side and stay close to a wall because they will ride up on the sidewalk around the other side if you don't keep something blocking them. You just don't have to worry about people approaching you and threatening violence (mugging) , they will try to pickpocket when in close or snatch. These activities are usually not dangerous, but it is crime and you will lose time and money and valuables if not careful.

JDLet me put it this way. You walk in the street carrying a bag, with your passport and money and phone and camera inside, and a motorbike comes up to you and snatch it from you but you were totally left unharm. And if you call that SAFE, then I would agree with the few guys here that says HCMC is totally SAFE to walk around. But that still does not make HCMC one of the safest (if not the safest) plase in South East Asia, to walk around alone.

My personal experience, in 3 years, I have faced such snatch thief 3 times. The last time, the motorbike dragged me for 5 meters down the road, my pants and shirt got torn. And that happened last year just in a street behind NGUYEN HUE in D1. They did not point a knife or gun at me, so I guess that means it is still considered SAFE.

Wendella

12-11-11, 14:01

Deptrai

12-11-11, 14:14

Also if you are riding on a motorbike when the motorbike snatch-thieves decide to target you. Then they will often try to yank quickly on your bag so that your bike falls over (so you can't then chase them) , and of course you can be injured pretty badly that way. A passenger on my bike was once robbed that way (we did not fall over, and actually chased them a few blocks before they got away). But I've heard of many people being robbed and knocked down on their bikes, some badly injured. Pham Ngu Lao backpacker district is another prime area for this.Yah, but that definatly does not make HCMC dangerous. In fact as some brudders here said and even swear by it. HCMC is one of the (if not the most) safest city in the whole fucking world! So long that these thieves, robbers, scumps does not put a knife or a gun at your head and command you to do a BJ for them on the spot, it should not be considered dangerous.

All these acts of agressions, such as snatching your bag, your mobile phones, your wallets. These are all actually quite safe, totally harmless and in no way to be considered dangerous, and if you fall of the fucking bike. Its your own fucking fault. Right?

Raverboy

12-12-11, 03:28

Let me put it this way. You walk in the street carrying a bag, with your passport and money and phone and camera inside, and a motorbike comes up to you and snatch it from you but you were totally left unharm. And if you call that SAFE, then I would agree with the few guys here that says HCMC is totally SAFE to walk around. But that still does not make HCMC one of the safest (if not the safest) plase in South East Asia, to walk around alone.

My personal experience, in 3 years, I have faced such snatch thief 3 times. The last time, the motorbike dragged me for 5 meters down the road, my pants and shirt got torn. And that happened last year just in a street behind NGUYEN HUE in D1. They did not point a knife or gun at me, so I guess that means it is still considered SAFE.

Interesting. In 3.5 years living in HCMC I have never encountered such snatch theft / pick pocket, and I have riden my motorbike in the wee hours going home from clubbing. Moreover, you're physically bigger than I am. My opinion - you were just unlucky.

Wendella

12-12-11, 06:54

All these acts of agressions, such as snatching your bag, your mobile phones, your wallets. These are all actually quite safe, totally harmless and in no way to be considered dangerous, and if you fall of the fucking bike. Its your own fucking fault. Right?I actually agree with you that HCMC is safe. I would bet the murder rate is quite low compared to other places. Manila comes to mind.

I wasn't talking about "falling" off a motorbike. More like 2 young guys zoom up from 7 o'clock position, unseen, grab the bag and give a good tug to PULL you straight down. Your fault? Maybe we have different definitions of fault. Me, I'd say that's the fault of the thieves. Only with some good luck would the victim not go down in that case. But if it's not the fault of the attackers, then I suppose they didn't do anything wrong, eh? ;)

Anyway, if your point is that HCMC is relatively safe, I'm with you. Totally safe? I wouldn't go that far.

Deptrai

12-13-11, 07:24

I actually agree with you that HCMC is safe. I would bet the murder rate is quite low compared to other places. Manila comes to mind.

I wasn't talking about "falling" off a motorbike. More like 2 young guys zoom up from 7 o'clock position, unseen, grab the bag and give a good tug to PULL you straight down. Your fault? Maybe we have different definitions of fault. Me, I'd say that's the fault of the thieves. Only with some good luck would the victim not go down in that case. But if it's not the fault of the attackers, then I suppose they didn't do anything wrong, eh? .

Anyway, if your point is that HCMC is relatively safe, I'm with you. Totally safe? I wouldn't go that far.My point is that HCMC is NOT safe! Especially for the newbies who are not mindful about what is lurking in the shadows. To me (being from Singapore) safe means:

1. No Snatch Thief

2. No frequent accidents on the road caused by robbers.

3. No ladyboys or motorcycle ladies pretending to sell you cheap sex and just wanted to run away with your wallet.

4. No need to worry about walking on the side of the road and have to remember to hold your bag on the opposite side of the ROAD.

5. No need. Etc etc.

Just like you can spend many nights walking up and down clarke quay and Geylang and you can even take a stack of CASH, fan it out and use that as a fan just to look cool and nobody's going to try to grab it from you.

That I call safe.

Anything less than that, I would say. UNSAFE.

Imagine. You are going to fly out of HCMC tomorrow morning. And tonight, someone just snatched your bag, inside contains your passport, CASH, credit cards, camera. Sure, you are not hurt. But do you really call that safe?

When we talk about safe, we should include not only our own physical safety but also safety of our belongings (and of course people who are not rich and have NOTHING to loose will not think about this).

Angra

12-14-11, 07:36

My point is that HCMC is NOT safe! Especially for the newbies who are not mindful about what is lurking in the shadows. To me (being from Singapore) safe means:

1. No Snatch Thief

2. No frequent accidents on the road caused by robbers.

3. No ladyboys or motorcycle ladies pretending to sell you cheap sex and just wanted to run away with your wallet.

4. No need to worry about walking on the side of the road and have to remember to hold your bag on the opposite side of the ROAD.

5. No need. Etc etc.

Just like you can spend many nights walking up and down clarke quay and Geylang and you can even take a stack of CASH, fan it out and use that as a fan just to look cool and nobody's going to try to grab it from you.

That I call safe.

Anything less than that, I would say. UNSAFE.

Imagine. You are going to fly out of HCMC tomorrow morning. And tonight, someone just snatched your bag, inside contains your passport, CASH, credit cards, camera. Sure, you are not hurt. But do you really call that safe?

When we talk about safe, we should include not only our own physical safety but also safety of our belongings (and of course people who are not rich and have NOTHING to loose will not think about this).Geez mate, come to Manila or Jakarta or even Yogyakarta with me and I'll show you some real action.

HCMC is way safer then any of those places for mongering. I've been held at gunpoint in Manila and Kingston, Jamaica. I've been knifed and car jacked TWICE in Port Moresby. I've been in some fucking hairy situations in Indo, HCMC got nothing of these things.

I was mugged at 0900 in Circular Quay, Sydney while eating a muffin on a park bench by drunken yobs.

DO you really think bag snatching is dangerous? You are living in a fantasy. Property crime does not rate as dangerous on a world scale.

Frequent accidents caused by robbers? I challenge your definition of frequent?

Ladyboys stealing wallets. Part of the game mate, same around the world, doesn't change the definition of safe.

How does l; osing your passport camera etc change the definition of SAFE? Maybe you don't understand the English language?

Who goes out mongering with their passport etc etc. This is serious user error.

I'm in HCMC right now. Lets meet up tonight I'll show you what safe means

Tiger 888

12-14-11, 18:58

.To me (being from Singapore) safe means:.In Singapore you are parted from your money way more the legal way than anyting "dangerous" in TP HCM.

Deptrai

12-14-11, 19:04

How does l; osing your passport camera etc change the definition of SAFE? Maybe you don't understand the English language?

Who goes out mongering with their passport etc etc. This is serious user error.

I'm in HCMC right now. Lets meet up tonight I'll show you what safe meansNah, I don't care about your "world scale" of safety, I only care about my own safety and it is definitely not a fantasy in more civilized country such as Singapore (where I live ).

Having said that, I would definitely like the opportunity to meet up with you and buy you a beer and listen to your full versions of those encounters you mentioned. I will let you know my next scheduled trip to HCMC, mate!

Snakey304

12-14-11, 20:00

Hello, I will be going to HCMC in mid March 2012, so I was wondering if anyone else wants to go on the prowl with me. Hit up the bars and clubs of HCMC. Just pm me. I am planning to go to HK and China too.

Alwayshard45

12-15-11, 10:17

AmericanThief

12-15-11, 10:34

There are only two other places that are relatively safe in Asia, Singapore and Japan.How can you find Korea dangerous?

MutantChicken

12-15-11, 16:05

Geez mate, come to Manila or Jakarta or even Yogyakarta with me and I'll show you some real action.

HCMC is way safer then any of those places for mongering. I've been held at gunpoint in Manila and Kingston, Jamaica. I've been knifed and car jacked TWICE in Port Moresby. I've been in some fucking hairy situations in Indo, HCMC got nothing of these things.

I was mugged at 0900 in Circular Quay, Sydney while eating a muffin on a park bench by drunken yobs.

DO you really think bag snatching is dangerous? You are living in a fantasy. Property crime does not rate as dangerous on a world scale.

Frequent accidents caused by robbers? I challenge your definition of frequent?

Ladyboys stealing wallets. Part of the game mate, same around the world, doesn't change the definition of safe.

How does l; osing your passport camera etc change the definition of SAFE? Maybe you don't understand the English language?

Who goes out mongering with their passport etc etc. This is serious user error.

I'm in HCMC right now. Lets meet up tonight I'll show you what safe meansSafe the official definition is.

Free from harm or risk : unhurt.

Secure from threat of danger, harm, or loss.

Notice it includes loss ie property damage

So if you want to question anothers understanding of english, you should check the dictionary first. I agree if you talk about vn being safe from a definition perspective then it isn't safe. But it is safe to walk at night with simple precautions however there has been a rise in bike jackings so this situation may not remain the same.

That being said I have never had problems in sydney, jakarta, or manila. And never in Sg except that girls here always want to take / steal my virginity.

Whisper1

12-16-11, 02:41

http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20111215-Hong%20Kong-tourists-say-robbed-sell-photos-for-food. Aspx.

Hong Kong tourists say robbed, sell photos for food

Last updated: 12/15/2011 11:00

Doris and Kay sell their own photos on Ho Chi Minh City's Bui Vien Street after being robbed off all their possessions, including identity papers.

Two tourists from Hong Kong are selling their own pictures on the street in downtown Ho Chi Minh City to be able to get their daily meals.

They claim they were robbed of all their possessions and identity papers by bag-snatchers on a scooter.

Their story and photographs, posted on a blog on Wednesday, have spread rapidly and attracted sympathy from many netizens.

Doris and Kay say they lost their bag with their cash, credit cards and identity papers while walking on Xo Viet Nghe Tinh Street in Binh Thanh District.

After reporting the robbery to the local police and getting an appointment for a week later to see if they could retrieve their belongings, the duo went to District 1's Bui Vien Street – known as the city's backpacker's area – to sell photos for food.

On a piece of cardboard, they wrote: 'All robbed, please support. ' And a piece of paper carries information about their loss in Vietnamese, asking people with any information to call 0908. 012123.

On another piece of cardboard, they warn others to be careful. 'We are from Hong Kong. Just watch out professional scooter robbery! Kay and Doris. '

Within 24 hours after their story was first posted on a blog, many netizens have shown their sympathy and expressed their readiness to support them.

Blogger Poly said the duo had planned to spend Christmas and the New Year Day in Vietnam. They are waiting to obtain a new passport from the Consulate General and are having to sell their own photos to survive.

'Doris is a woman and she should not sit on a HCMC street all day in changing weather. We should know why Doris is crying. What would they say when they get back to their own country? ' the blogger wrote.

Many others have offered to host the duo in their homes and said they are furious with the robbers who give the city a bad name.

Thanh Nien Weekly was not able to reach the Pham Ngu Lao Police Station for comment despite several calls.

A shop owner on Bui Vien Street told Thanh Nien Weekly on Thursday that the duo were selling their photos on Wednesday evening and a resident on the street let them stay in their house later.

GreenBud

12-16-11, 04:05

http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20111215-Hong

%20Kong-tourists-say-robbed-sell-photos-for-food. Aspx.

Hong Kong tourists say robbed, sell photos for food

Last updated: 12/15/2011 11:00

Doris and Kay sell their own photos on Ho Chi Minh City's Bui Vien Street after being robbed off all their possessions, including identity papers.

Two tourists from Hong Kong are selling their own pictures on the street in downtown Ho Chi Minh City to be able to get their daily meals.

They claim they were robbed of all their possessions and identity papers by bag-snatchers on a scooter.

Their story and photographs, posted on a blog on Wednesday, have spread rapidly and attracted sympathy from many netizens.

Doris and Kay say they lost their bag with their cash, credit cards and identity papers while walking on Xo Viet Nghe Tinh Street in Binh Thanh District.

After reporting the robbery to the local police and getting an appointment for a week later to see if they could retrieve their belongings, the duo went to District 1's Bui Vien Street – known as the city's backpacker's area – to sell photos for food.

On a piece of cardboard, they wrote: 'All robbed, please support. ' And a piece of paper carries information about their loss in Vietnamese, asking people with any information to call 0908. 012123.

On another piece of cardboard, they warn others to be careful. 'We are from Hong Kong. Just watch out professional scooter robbery! Kay and Doris. '

Within 24 hours after their story was first posted on a blog, many netizens have shown their sympathy and expressed their readiness to support them.

Blogger Poly said the duo had planned to spend Christmas and the New Year Day in Vietnam. They are waiting to obtain a new passport from the Consulate General and are having to sell their own photos to survive.

'Doris is a woman and she should not sit on a HCMC street all day in changing weather. We should know why Doris is crying. What would they say when they get back to their own country? ' the blogger wrote.

Many others have offered to host the duo in their homes and said they are furious with the robbers who give the city a bad name.

Thanh Nien Weekly was not able to reach the Pham Ngu Lao Police Station for comment despite several calls.

A shop owner on Bui Vien Street told Thanh Nien Weekly on Thursday that the duo were selling their photos on Wednesday evening and a resident on the street let them stay in their house later.I saw the guy on Bui Vien a few days ago.

IMO, I say they're fakes.

Reasons:

1) Shouldn't they have family or friends in Hong Kong to send them money?

2) If they lost their credit cards, they should be able to get VISA or Mastercard to mail them new ones (in the US, it will take a few days). In the US, the card card company has emergency services where they will help you out immediately (probably can arrange a stay in a hotel).

3) In these days of the digitial camera, why the hell would they print the pictures "during" their trip?

Do they want money to stay on till Christmas and New Year's? They should still have their airline ticket that they still can use.

If you're a US citizen, the US embassy will help you out (that's what you could tell scammers who claim to be US citizens stuck in the third world when they beg for money). Not sure about Hong Kong.

AmericanThief

12-16-11, 15:43

Totally fake. An internet publicity stunt.

Wendella

12-18-11, 08:23

My point is that HCMC is NOT safe!Ah ok I missed your sarcasm then. Now I see. If we are talking about danger of crime, I would still say that HCMC feels to me like there is less risk of crime and / or physical danger than most places. I have not been to Manila but have heard very bad things about it, even one friend who got drugged and robbed there recently. I myself was drugged and robbed in a hotel in Thailand (no girls involved, surprisingly. Just me in an empty hotel room. It msut have been put in the complimentary bottled water). Regardless, to me Thailand still feels "safe" compared to other places I've been. Safer than Cambodia surely. And about on par with Vietnam. I have felt much more sense of risk in places like New York, Chicago, London, Paris than in Thailand or Vietnam.

Wendella

12-18-11, 08:41

That being said I have never had problems in sydney, jakarta, or manila. And never in Sg except that girls here always want to take / steal my virginity.Heh heh, by that definition I suppose Bangkok must be the world's most dangerous city.

Points made about Singapore and Japan. And Korea. Yes I suppose one might say those are safer (whether in terms of crimes in general or violence in particular) than HCMC. I've only spent a very little time in Seoul, so can't really speak from personal experience. Then again, one can feel obliviously safe in the most dangerous place in the world, up until the moment he's attacked. Maybe crime statistics are what should be looked at, rather than the subjective personal observations we're mainly getting here ("I've never witnessed any crime in XX" but then someone else has experienced it first-hand, so who's right). For me, I've never experienced any crime in Cambodia, though it did feel more dangerous to me than Thailand. But that was from hearing about how many people there had guns and how hold-ups were frequent. So it was more based on warnings I'd heard or read about. Or stories of shootings in nightclubs or dark streets.

Ozirob

12-18-11, 09:01

Yes the feeling is indeed subjective, and yes you are safe until something happens.

I have personally seen the 3 person pick-pocket move happen. I felt something was not right, and next thing some guy ahead of me was robbed. Saw the whole thing unfold! I have also been the target of a drink spiking episode. Fortunately I saw it, but wasn't quick enough to stop the girl I was with from taking a swig of my drink. I left with her, and further down the road had to stop the scooter while she had a chunder. Right then 3 heavies came to us on scooters clearly expecting that I would be the one doubled up and vomiting. When they saw it was the girl not me, the left very fast!

My belief is that if you are drunk and naive then you are likely to be a target. Anywhere in the world!

Ozirob

Bowerboy

12-18-11, 09:36

There are a lot (too many I feel) of confusing abbreviations in the Ho Chi Minh section. I arrived yesterday and worked things out but it took a while. Here is a concise report:

NPK = Nguyen Ph Khanh Street.

HBT = Hai Ba Trung Street.

BV = Ba Vi Street.

DBP = Dien Bien Phu Street.

Ba Vi is in the Korean Area near the airport. This area on the map is called Tan Binh District (this is NOT district 10. It is another area completely). This area I think is the best area for mongering in Ho Chi Minh although I realise that everyones take will be different. In my experience the action is not really on Ba Vi street itself but rather in the next parrallel street along. Can't recall the name but begins with a Q. Look for barber shops with forsted windows and I would suggest the best time to arrive is 2pm.

All of the above locations can be found on as follows:

Get your taxi into town from the Vinasun counter in the arrivals area and ask for their Vinasun City Map. The map isn't marked in rows and columns but assume each fold rectangle to be in columns of A to G aand the rows to be from 1 to 3.

NPK = F2 (actually right on the fold between column E and F)

HBT = The area near the Carvelle Hotel at F2 (bottom right hand corner of that rectangle)

BV = C1 (bottom centre of that rectangle)

DBP = Long Street and didn't go to Benny V's so don't know where on this map it is.

Hope this helps.

BB

Wendella

12-22-11, 07:25

I heard a story this week, someone saw some bag-snatchers in the Pham Ngu Lao area running away and some guys grabbed them and took them away. Turned out the guys who took them were plain clothes police officers.

Fast Eddie 48

01-03-12, 21:47

Geez mate, come to Manila or Jakarta or even Yogyakarta with me and I'll show you some real action.

HCMC is way safer then any of those places for mongering. I've been held at gunpoint in Manila and Kingston, Jamaica. I've been knifed and car jacked TWICE in Port Moresby. I've been in some fucking hairy situations in Indo, HCMC got nothing of these things.

I was mugged at 0900 in Circular Quay, Sydney while eating a muffin on a park bench by drunken yobs.

DO you really think bag snatching is dangerous? You are living in a fantasy. Property crime does not rate as dangerous on a world scale.

Frequent accidents caused by robbers? I challenge your definition of frequent?

Ladyboys stealing wallets. Part of the game mate, same around the world, doesn't change the definition of safe.

How does l; osing your passport camera etc change the definition of SAFE? Maybe you don't understand the English language?

Who goes out mongering with their passport etc etc. This is serious user error.

I'm in HCMC right now. Lets meet up tonight I'll show you what safe meansTo Angra

I agree totally but the poor guy is from Singapore and you cannot even chew gum there is against the LAW so he don't know what is danger.

Fast Eddie 8

Cheong777

01-23-12, 09:21

Yes bro agree totally too.

To Angra

I agree totally but the poor guy is from Singapore and you cannot even chew gum there is against the LAW so he don't know what is danger.

Fast Eddie 8

Fast Eddie 48

02-07-12, 05:21

I was at the HBT bar last night first go to bar 91 alot of pretty girl mamasan want 25 USD barfine and 60 USD for the girl st, also go to bar 49 and 51 and they want the same not sure they are working together or they are own by same owner, now even the motor bike guy and pimp want USD not dong, pimp is offering girl for 800, 000 or 40 USD for girl st I take a young viet tall spinner service is just ok staying at hotel at HBT just a few door down by bar 91 for 38 USD a night.

Fast Eddie 48

Raverboy

02-07-12, 07:24

To Angra

I agree totally but the poor guy is from Singapore and you cannot even chew gum there is against the LAW so he don't know what is danger.

Fast Eddie 8

To be perfectly clear it is the sale of chewing gum that is banned in Singapore. The chewing of gum itself, is not illegal.

Quasarus

03-03-12, 03:51

OK guys,

I read the forum extensively and I was hesitating coming to Vietnam for a long time. I have extensive experience in Philippines, etc also some in Cambogia. To be clear, I do not expect to find the same thing in Vietnam, but I want to explore a new place with some fun mixed in. So I do not want brothels, haircutshops or cheating motobike girls. I am looking for freelancers in Clubs (something like LA / Manila Bay Cafe, Martinis in Cambodgia etc, you get the picture. A place were pros and especially semi-pros part time freelancers hang out. How many such places are in Saigon?"Apochalypse Now" is the only one? I can live with that too as long as there are girls available for a decent price. My idea of decent price would be 40-50 USD / ST (2xpops). I know that apart from Philippines the LT notion is almost non existent so thats why I can be fine with ST. Are these prices realistic nowdays?

At the beach resorts are there freelance clubs? I see almost no reports here.

Regarding the hotels, is still the rule of separate room still there? I am intending to avoid the big hotels and get to the smaller ones!

Thanks for your input guys.

D Cups

03-03-12, 17:14

OK guys,

?"Apochalypse Now" is the only one? I can live with that too as long as there are girls available for a decent price. My idea of decent price would be 40-50 USD / ST (2xpops). Are these prices realistic nowdays?

At the beach resorts are there freelance clubs? I see almost no reports here.

Regarding the hotels, is still the rule of separate room still there? I am intending to avoid the big hotels and get to the smaller ones!Q: I've been lucky at Apocalypse but detest the loud music. The girls are also pricey. They want $100 US for the night but may settle for less. I've had some real stunners there, tho. My first girl in Vietnam was from there: a busty Camo-Vietnamese blow job artist. I also had a beautiful Amerasian girl there and a gorgeous Taiwanese girl that sucked my schwantzooka many times while being filmed.

You can also take the hydrofoil to Vung Tau where there are beach resorts and take-outs for cheaper but not the quality of Saigon girls.

As far as hotels, you might have to get a separate room for the girl unless you tell the manager ahead of time that your girlfriend will be visiting. That's what I did and got away with it. Good luck. If you see any busty ones kindly let me know!

Wendella

03-04-12, 15:25

I haven't been to Philippines but have been to Cambodia (Martinis). How many places like that in Saigon? Zero. Vietnam? Zero. You'll be extremely disappointed in Vietnam if that's your expectation. For someone coming in for a short visit, not knowing the ropes or language, you simply won't be able to find LT's at what you call decent prices, or even double that. The options that are available would take some explaining (or reading back thru the forum hint hint) , but in short it takes a lot more leg-work and time than you're probably willing to put in. Going to Cambodia and Philippines, you're used to a much more user-friendly environment; Vietnam is NOT like that. Apocalypse Now for example is dominated by normal clubbers with the odd working girl mixed in here and there, just a few usually, and usually not ones you'd be too keen on. A place like Phnom Penh's Martinis where you walk in and every girl in the place is available at very low prices, with 50-100 girls there (or more) , that just doesn't exist in VN. After one night out, you'll be regretting coming here.

OK guys,

I read the forum extensively and I was hesitating coming to Vietnam for a long time. I have extensive experience in Philippines, etc also some in Cambogia. To be clear, I do not expect to find the same thing in Vietnam, but I want to explore a new place with some fun mixed in. So I do not want brothels, haircutshops or cheating motobike girls. I am looking for freelancers in Clubs (something like LA / Manila Bay Cafe, Martinis in Cambodgia etc, you get the picture. A place were pros and especially semi-pros part time freelancers hang out. How many such places are in Saigon?"Apochalypse Now" is the only one? I can live with that too as long as there are girls available for a decent price. My idea of decent price would be 40-50 USD / ST (2xpops). I know that apart from Philippines the LT notion is almost non existent so thats why I can be fine with ST. Are these prices realistic nowdays?

At the beach resorts are there freelance clubs? I see almost no reports here.

Regarding the hotels, is still the rule of separate room still there? I am intending to avoid the big hotels and get to the smaller ones!

Thanks for your input guys.

Quasarus

03-05-12, 13:57

MutantChicken

03-05-12, 20:26

Thanks for the honest and streight reply. Now I am thinking about bringing my GF from the Philippines and just doing touristy stuff. I would certainly not be willing to pay 100 US for a piece of ST Viet ass. I am still puzzled why the Viets are travelling all the way to Cambo to sell their asses for 20 bucks when they can make easly 100 back home. More restriction I know, but still.Well the answer is that the girls going to cambo are often girls living in villages close to cambo. Secondly if you know where to go in vn the local price is only 15usd, the girls who get 100usd are much better looking than the girls in cambo or they are targeting clueless tourist. I was in cambo last year and frankly I found it impossible to find one I thought was acceptible.

Fast Eddie 48

03-06-12, 07:25

Thanks for the honest and streight reply. Now I am thinking about bringing my GF from the Philippines and just doing touristy stuff. I would certainly not be willing to pay 100 US for a piece of ST Viet ass. I am still puzzled why the Viets are travelling all the way to Cambo to sell their asses for 20 bucks when they can make easly 100 back home. More restriction I know, but still.To Quasarus,

I was in HCM city for 4 night last month the most I spend is 40 USD ST for a young cute viet girl but service is not very good, this is my first trip to vietnam and I been to Cambodia 2 time and PI 5 time, if you know where to look you don't need to paid 100 USD.

For a viet girl, I think Manila and AC is much better for mongering than in Vietnam.

Fast Eddie 48

Quasarus

03-07-12, 12:50

Assuming that I will bring over my Filipina GF I hope that the stupid hotel rules do not apply when it comes to foreign citizens. Am I right?

Regarding the post bellow. 40 US ST would be acceptable if the girl comes to your hotel and stays for 2-3 h. Otherwise its a waste in my opinion. I hate "service" places (brothels, massage salons, fishbowls) , I would rather use my right hand.

Asia Rob

03-08-12, 00:03

Der Tourist

06-13-12, 19:46

Hi dear punters,

I happen to be in HCMC and had my foot stepped to HBT. All I did so far was having a quick beer in 91 (just to see the place). I was wondering how the system of drinks and tips work? I obviously expect to buy a LD or two for the girl who's talking to me (even if I'm not thinking of taking her) but what about the 'tip'? This is something new to me and I haven't got much clue if this is a standard and if so how much it has to be?

Can I just outright take any girl I like there? Or is it the girl who has to show initiative and approach me? I saw a bunch of girls who didn't seem to show much interest. Usually I am a picky customer and wouldn't settle for any random girl who would approach me and prefer to choose myself instead. However I would be happy to have a chat with someone, ask few things and perhaps request some other girl later. Just how the whole tipping process works? I don't want to look bad for not giving the tip (or enough tip) when it's due but also don't wan't to look silly splashing cash around for no reason.

HCMC looks like a very nice city but probably can't count as having visited it properly without sampling a pretty lady there.

Expatriot

06-16-12, 09:01

Der Tourist

06-16-12, 21:49

I did have some questions in my previous posts but I think I have already found all the answers. I guess I just had to go to a few more bars and the same HBT 91 once again which I did last night. I'm quite surprised how simple it actually is and how it works. Pretty much the same as Go-go bars in Bangkok except that the girls are not "dancing" on the stage. Instead the mamasan (or the bartender) gets the girls to line up in front of the customer to have a look and choose. Then the girl sits down next to the customer, has a drink, if you like the girl pay a barfine (which is drinks-inclusive) of 600K. Drink prices are 40K for a beer and that is also the price shown in the menu (didn't see one in 91 but saw one in HBT50). The price for the girl seems to be in line with what I was reading recently by some other dear monger: it's 1. 2 million for ST excluding tips. No nasty attempts to 'rip-off' or need to tell 'that I paid less for the drink last week' as described in some older reports. I guess that's what confused me a little bit and made too cautious. Perhaps same as some horror stories about taking taxis in Saigon that I was reading (fake taxis, robbed passengers, gangs with metal bars threatening to kill if not paid, etc.). I was freaking out before realizing that Saigon is actually one of the easiest and safest places to get a taxi and noone's going to rob you or charge 20x the normal price.

I was expecting to have a bit more of a hard time after reading some reports and tips by other mongers but now can firmly conclude that it's no more complicated than Thailand go-gos. The service and conduct of bartender and mamasan at the Billiards (91 and 50 at least) is actually very good and friendly. Except that there don't seem to be too many customers and the bars are rather limited in size. In any case, I really like those places.

Anyway, I'm getting to love Saigon. Not just for the bars obviously but in general. It is a great place for having women and seemingly very very easy.

Also, I was just wondering if the bartender in 91 is available for pick up? She is one real hottie! Or are bartenders sticking to their job of dealing with the drinks?

Der Tourist

06-16-12, 21:58

Comparing anywhere in Vietnam to any other country is like comparing apples to oranges. Other countries have a more liberal attitude towards mongering. Remeber where you are before you start talking out of your ass. If you get ripped off here take it as a learning experience and move on. This constant whining is getting old, for the love of God read the the fuckin forum. If the price is too high walk away, try some where else, or go to your hotel room and jerk one out.

PeaceSorry I don't understand your point here. Was that directed at me or is that a general observation you're making? What's wrong with comparing? I think it is actually very easy and sensible to compare, say, HCMC to Bangkok. The former is smaller, quieter and less crowded while the latter is much more of everything. I would not say the attitude to sex itself is more / less liberal in either country. It's pretty much the same for most part except that Vietnam is a bit inexperienced with mass tourism and 'contemporary' forms of entertainment and got on the map of contemporary SE Asia kinda recently. It's just a matter of a few years before things get ironed out (like the nonsense with some hotels not allowing guests). I would never complain about the price either. Neither do I ever negotiate trying to push down the price by a few cents. I Was just wondering about what is typical and what is not. It's not about the money but about being or not being ripped-off. It's just a matter of dignity and self esteem for me. Anyway, it seems I've already figured everything out by now. Any worries or concerns seem to have been ungrounded. Perhaps it is still better to be cautious and later relax than being too relaxed and get burned later.

Wendella

06-17-12, 07:48

Sorry I don't understand your point here. Was that directed at me or is that a general observation you're making? What's wrong with comparing? I think it is actually very easy and sensible to compare, say, HCMC to Bangkok. The former is smaller, quieter and less crowded while the latter is much more of everything. I would not say the attitude to sex itself is more / less liberal in either country. It's pretty much the same for most part except that Vietnam is a bit inexperienced with mass tourism and 'contemporary' forms of entertainment and got on the map of contemporary SE Asia kinda recently. It's just a matter of a few years before things get ironed out (like the nonsense with some hotels not allowing guests). I would never complain about the price either. Neither do I ever negotiate trying to push down the price by a few cents. I Was just wondering about what is typical and what is not. It's not about the money but about being or not being ripped-off. It's just a matter of dignity and self esteem for me. Anyway, it seems I've already figured everything out by now. Any worries or concerns seem to have been ungrounded. Perhaps it is still better to be cautious and later relax than being too relaxed and get burned later.Like you, I also don't understand what's wrong with comparing the countries, whether they're like apples and oranges or any other kinds of fruit. In fact people do actually compare apples and oranges all the time. For example, apples hold up much better to baking, and so a pie made with apples is going to be much better than one made with oranges. On the other hand, oranges are much easier to squeeze juice from. Think of all the problems we'd have with squishy pies and exhaustion from squeezing apples if we didn't make these kinds of comparisons. That said, he does have a point that Vietnam is much more conservative re sex than Thailand, in the general population at least. These girls you're meeting are very much the exception though, and they actually are similar in attitude to their career counterparts in Thailand, Cambodia, and other countries. I don't think your prediction about hotels will come true any time soon. If you search on my old posts, I did a pretty complete 'guide' to just what you were asking about awhile back. How to work it in those bars. Looks like you figured things out on your own though; for example getting the mamasan to line the girls up rather than stick with the one who chooses you, and so on. Since I posted my long overview of those bars, some of them have closed. [added note: the version of the guide that was on another forum was a bit more complete/up to date, so i just copied that one and posted it here. There is another version here in this forum back in 2009 that you can also check out, though it's mostly the same as this one, just minor changes I think. I don't think the "How it works" part is in 2009 here though)

Wendella

06-17-12, 08:08

Note, this was written in 2011, just editing now to get rid of the closed bars and changes in intel.

District 1 Bars with girls

This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.

The Bars

There's a star rating (* * *) for each bar. Remember, your own taste may be different. In the best bars (three *'s and above) you can usually find some very attractive girls, often with a difficult choice of which girl you like best. In most bars (* * to * * ½) , there is still a chance of finding a hot girl, but less likely than in those rated * * * and above. In the bars at * ½ and under, you will be lucky if a very cute one is there, and these places usually have mostly less attractive or older girls (for example, it would be rare that 49 Dong Khoi has any Girls who could get hired at 91 Hai Ba Trung). But if you visited every bar in one evening, you almost surely would find one pleasant surprise in one of the lesser rated bars.

Many of the names of these bars are just a number, which is their address, so for those only their address is listed.

HAI BA TRUNG AREA

35 Hai Ba Trung * * Small relaxing bar with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above avg. In quality. A balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better.

49 Hai Ba Trung * * ½ Fairly large bar, relaxed, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. Girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35.

51 Hai Ba Trung * * * A bit smaller than 49, but just as relaxed. Better than average girl selection and quality (more so than 49, in my opinion). This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They also have 2 pool tables, one in back a step down and another up on balcony level.

91 Hai Ba Trung * * * ½ This bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger and taller. It is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, and the girls more full of themselves (they're pretty and know it) but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. This would get 4 stars if girls there were as friendly as in other bars. Not relaxing.

2 Sisters * * 44 Dong Du. (formerly Saigon NY) Small bar near the corner of Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung, actually off HBT street. It has more of a social and fun vibe than most bars, but girls are slightly below average in general. They're nicer than ones in most of the bars though. Some girls here wear ao dais, which seems to be their code for "not available". There is a pool table upstairs, though I'm not sure how relaxed it is up there.

Trai Tao (Apple) * 13 Dong Du. Across the street from Saigon NY on Dong Du just near corner of HBT. Small bar with and mainly average girls, from what I could see. Honestly I haven't checked this one out very well. Almost surely relaxing.

Thien Loc * * 23 Hai Ba Trung. At the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi. One billiard table, the whole bar is just one room one level. This one recently reopened, but was always one of the most active bars in terms of entertainment. Might have 1 or 2 cuties with around 6 more ordinary ones.

DONG KHOI STREET

29 Dong Khoi * * ½ On the last block before the Majestic Hotel (near the river). It has 2 levels and about a dozen girls, but in terms of looks they're below average overall, except for the occassional few new ones. It is the one bar of all of these that offers by far the best customer service. Anything goes here. If you are lucky enough to spot a stunning girl here, this place can be heaven. There are couches upstairs and also a very small private room in the back. Relaxing and very easy to be entertained.

49 Dong Khoi 0 stars A sad little bar way in the back down a long narrow hallway and upstairs. The girls are really not very pretty in this one. Seems to be designed to lure in unsuspecting tourists who don't know what other options are nearby. I prefer not to think about how relaxed the atmosphere is here, but it almost surely is. If you noticed the lack of stars above, that was intentional. Not sure if this one is still there. Avoid if it is.

THAI VAN LUNG / THI SACH AREA

Smiley Bar * * 8A / 7D2 Thai Van Lung. Right at the intersection of Cao Ba Quat. Big bar, quite a few girls but choices are bit below average in quality. Upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. Things get much more entertaining and relaxing upstairs.

Chieu Thuy * 40 Thai Van Lung. On Thai Van Lung near the corner of Ly Tu Truong, at the top of the "hill." Selection and quality of girls here is distinctly below average. Pool table in front and sofas in back. NOTE: THIS ONE CLOSED NOW, HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A FRENCH RESTAURANT.

Vua Trai Dua (Coconut) *½ 15B Thi Sach. On the next parallel street over (Thi Sach) as you head back toward Hai Ba Trung. This is the the same street Apocalypse Now is located on, but at the opposite end near Le Thanh Ton. Girls here seem very average, and it's a smaller bar.

Little Princess 5E Nguyen Sieu. New, small bar on the side street opposite 91 Hai Ba Trung. I have not tried this one out yet.

LE THANH TON AREA

Quan Nho * * * 13 Le Thanh Ton. A very small bar with just around 6 girls. Sofas upstairs (3 levels total) to spend time with your girl. Atnosphere more upscale than the rest of these bars. No billiards tables. They tend to get a higher level of talent in their small lineup. Quite relaxing atmosphere upstairs.

Bin Bin * * * 13 Le Thanh Ton. Just across the alley from Quan Nho. This bar has the second most girls and second prettiest overall after 91. Quality of the girls here is quite good overall, sometimes excellent, and attitude and willingness usually quite good too. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. I'm told upstairs can be more relaxing and also entertaining.

(end of part 1)

Wendella

06-17-12, 08:11

How It Works.

After you take a seat, normally one girl will soon approach you. Each girl is in queue to be the one who first approaches a new customer. The problem with this system (for us) is that the girl who greets you is almost never the one you want. In that case, just let the bartender know so that girl after girl doesn't approach you like this. If you prefer no girl, you can just tell the bartender you only want to have a drink but no girl. If you want a chance to have your drink while discreetly checking out the girls first before deciding, you can tell the bartender you want to wait first before choosing. In some bars they will then ask you if you want to see the girls line up for you to choose from, and they will turn up the lights so you can actually see the girls. (91 and Bin Bin typically do this) If they don't immediately offer this, you could request to see them this way.

Once you are sitting with a girl, after 2-3 lady drinks normally the girl will ask if you want to do more with her later, namely to go visit your hotel together. Some may also like to do as much as they can to get you feeling relaxed right there in the bar, which is allowed in some of these bars (but not all). If you only want to talk / grope / hug / kiss / etc. A bit at the bar, that's also fine. You must try to sense what the girl is willing to do, or else let her lead the way and show you.

These bars are perfect if you prefer to go out alone and hope to meet a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without any distractions or risks (such as: she is not that kind of girl-all these girls are that kind; the place is too crowded; the place is so loud you can't have conversation; etc.) Also, these bars are all in comfortable walking distance of each other. If you don't like what a bar has to offer, you can try the next one that is only a few steps away. If you prefer to visit one of these bars with friends, they can put your group in a private room with a low table where everyone sits on cushions. These rooms can also be used even if you are solo. You can have fun with your girl right there in the bar, or else more fun at your hotel. There are different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. Some actually allow you to do anything, and I mean anything, right in the bar. But in most you can only go to a certain point, and only when you and your girl are hidden somewhere such as in a balcony level or back room.

About prices, the price for a beer is 30, 000 (maybe still 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for a 'lady drink. ' (one notable exception: Quan Nho charges 50, 000 for a beer but also 50, 000 for a lady drink). In any bar, your girl will keep asking for another drink whenever she finishes one, that's standard. Don't become upset. To take a girl out, you have to buy her 5 or 6 drinks first, but normally those just get added to your bill, even if she doesn't really drink them. It's really just a barfine. For example, if you had 2 beers and she had 2 lady drinks, and you decide to take her out, they would charge you for the drinks that the 2 of you really drank (60, 000 for your 2 beers plus 100, 000 for her 2 drinks: which equals 160, 000 total) PLUS an additional (and imaginary) 4 lady drinks (200, 000) , so your total bar bill would be 360, 000. In other words, the barfine is 300, 000. And now the 2 of you are free to enjoy your evening together. The number of total drinks you must buy also depends a little on your negotiation skills, and some bars will ask for more lady drinks. As for the girl's payment, they tend to ask for 1 million for 2 hrs or so these days, but can occassionally be bargained down to as low as 800, 000.

If the bar tries to charge you a higher price for each beer or drink, tell them you were just here last week and paid only 30, 000 for each beer and 50, 000 for each lady drink-usually the bartender will play it safe and retreat to the normal price. If the bartender ever puts things like nuts or chewing gum in front of you and your girl, just have the bartender take them away. It's only a tactic to pad the bill at the end-they charge far more than those things really cost. Finally, if you want to leave the bar and not take your girl, then you should at least give her a tip. Standard tip these days is about 100, 000. If the girl's attitude was not very good, then a bit less is ok. They tend to feel insulted if it's 50, 000 or lower. If her attitude was good, pay higher accordingly. To make a good impression on a girl I want to see again, I would leave her a tip of 150, 000, or even 200, 000 for one who's very special. If you leave no tip, there's a good chance all the girls there would discuss it and brand you a "cheap charlie" after that.

If you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality in the bars fluctuates. Also, if you get there late at night or after a big group of customers has arrived together, the choices left over may be few. 7pm seems to be a peak time when you can expect almost all the girls who work there to be present and available.

Have fun.
P.S. My prices are out of date here, so talk to guys who are visiting these bars these days to get the current prices. I think drinks are usually 40,000 now.

Rsmith

06-17-12, 10:08

I went to these two bars and I did't find anyone interesting here to take back to room with me. First night, I went to Apocalypse bar and they let me in without any issues. I ordered a beer and wanted to look around. People were playing pool and there were a mix of regular people and hookers. These hookers looked old and I didn't have any good vibes to take any of them. After a while I left the place.

Next night, I went to Go2Bar night club after midnight and paid 150 VND entrance fee and I got a free beer. There were many young local and foreign nationals dancing like crazy. There were few hookers you can tell by looking at them and they usually stand near the bar or by the wall. They try to catch your eyes and smile. I didn't like any of these ladies as they didn't look appealing to me.

There are other avenues if you are just into mogering. I will post another message on that.

Happy Hunting!

Der Tourist

06-17-12, 12:32

Like you, I also don't understand what's wrong with comparing the countries, whether they're like apples and oranges or any other kinds of fruit. In fact people do actually compare apples and oranges all the time. For example, apples hold up much better to baking, and so a pie made with apples is going to be much better than one made with oranges. On the other hand, oranges are much easier to squeeze juice from. Think of all the problems we'd have with squishy pies and exhaustion from squeezing apples if we didn't make these kinds of comparisons. That said, he does have a point that Vietnam is much more conservative re sex than Thailand, in the general population at least. These girls you're meeting are very much the exception though, and they actually are similar in attitude to their career counterparts in Thailand, Cambodia, and other countries. I don't think your prediction about hotels will come true any time soon. If you search on my old posts, I did a pretty complete 'guide' to just what you were asking about awhile back. How to work it in those bars. Looks like you figured things out on your own though; for example getting the mamasan to line the girls up rather than stick with the one who chooses you, and so on. Since I posted my long overview of those bars, some of them have closed. [added note: the version of the guide that was on another forum was a bit more complete/up to date, so i just copied that one and posted it here. There is another version here in this forum back in 2009 that you can also check out, though it's mostly the same as this one, just minor changes I think. I don't think the "How it works" part is in 2009 here though)Thanks Wandella,

I actually did read all your posts (I have them saved in my browser bookmarks for the past half year or so.). Your posts were the main if not only guide for me. I guess that also was why I figured things out in practice fairly easily. I just expected it not to be as simple as it was. Perhaps the fact that you go into so much detail gave me an impression that it's meant to be somewhat complicated. It certainly isn't. It's very straightforward and simple, just like Thailand go-gos. Even for a first-timer.

Also both times the girls didn't ask to buy an additional drink (they would have been included in the 'barfine' anyway, from what I understand. Which means they probably prefer to 'save' those drinks and just get the cash straight away) but just asked if I want to go play pool. After a negative answer (I suck at playing pool) the girls asked if I'd like to go to hotel and if my hotel is ok for taking ladies. After a positive response the mamasan would ask I want to pay barfine.

I think the service side of the bars (91 at least) is actually very good from greeting the customer upon entry to saying good-bye when leaving with everything inbetween as it should be. All the girls seemed to be pretty nice and friendly too. Even the ones that would at first sit in the corner and be busy with their phones seemingly ignoring the presence of customers. Upon lining up after mamasan's gesture all seemed to have a smile and eye contact with the customer (I. E. Me) and once chosen the girl would immediately jump next to me and start being nice and friendly even if at first she wouldn't have noticed me. I would say overall a very positive and good impression from a first-time visitor like myself. Makes want to go back which I certainly will do sooner than later.

Rsmith

06-17-12, 18:37

Thank you all those who contributed to this thread. I read many posts here to get my intel. Armed with my intel, I went to Quan Noh first and checked out for few seconds and nothing was good. I went to the next door Bin Bin and there were plenty of girls. If you want to hang out in this bar, it is no good. It is cramped and very shabby.

As soon as I went in one girl came to greet me and I didn't respond to her. Suddenly line up happened. Believe me, it was really a difficult choice to make. I picked a girl looked very sweet with a good rack. I asked her to go upstairs. The place is ugly. Any way, we went into the pool table room and I sat on the bar stool and the mamasan came to ask for drinks. I asked her to wait and she was not happy and went away. I asked the girl to go with me to my hotel. They quoted $20 bar fine and $60 for the girl and I countered it was too much and asked them to quote me in VND (forum intel). They came back with 400 VND bar fine and 1. 1 million VND for the girl. I said two pops and they agreed.

The girl went to change into street clothes. Her name is Chi and she looked amazing in those clothes. We took a cab and went to my hotel. Slowly, the girl turned into a sweet person kind of GF. After she took the shower, she asked me whether I had the rubber and I did't and I was not going to carry that. It was wiered that she didn't have the rubber with her. I asked her to go and get rubber with me. We went out to get the rubber, we walked couple of blocks and found a store and got the rubber. It was very relaxing and got to know her a little, while we walked.

Back in the hotel, she was little shy and asked me to dim the lights. She has a very beautiful face and the body. I had a real good time with her. Between the sessions, I conversed with her using google translator and it was a good time pass and got to know her even more. Did I say, she was very sweet. In my books she is a stunner. Her sweet nature makes her the star at Bin Bin. This was my best session in VN. I had been to the Korean area barbar shops. They have a real good girls and very cheap, but it was just mechanical. The extra money I spent here was well worth it for me.

Treat the girl well and give her the respect you will get good returns.

Bin Bin has good talent and they have room upstairs as well. I highly recommend this place to take a date out with you.

Happy Hunting.

PS: Special thanks to Wandella.

Mark Renton 7

06-17-12, 19:32

Der Tourist

06-17-12, 20:02

Wendella

06-19-12, 10:16

Waiting for Part 2Part 2 was the 'how to'

Bb Creampie

07-04-12, 13:55

I went to Bar 35 tonight. It was the second time I have been there. Each time I have picked the same girl. I refuse to buy this dirtsack a drink and I just order a fucking blowjob. I hate wasting time, that's why I pay for her mouth in the first place! We went upstairs to a lofted area and I sat down in a chair and placed my beer on the little table next to it. I dropped my pants and undies. It didn't faze her one bit. She got naked. I love that she has a shaved box, which she let me eat. She has the most phenomenal sucking technique that I've experienced outside of Thailand. Absolutely incredible. Every few minutes I would stop and give her pussy a lick. I also ate her ass for a bit.

The grand finale was I pulled up my legs up and directed her to my asshole. She rimmed me like it was a free buffet, while stroking my beefstick. I told her that I was about to cum and she put her mouth back on my cock and stuck a finger in my ass. She remembered that I loved it from the last time. I blew a tremendous load in her mouth and she swallowed every drop.

I went back downstairs and paid for my beer and for the suck. She tried to make small talk, I couldn't be bothered. I did notice she had a pinky-nail size sore on her upper lip which she claimed was an abrasion from eating crab the night before. She insisted that the crab shell had cut her lip.

D Cups

09-08-12, 13:55

This guy should be banned from ISG for bragging about VD and then spreading it around. Dirtbag. I'll never go to Bar 35 because of this.

I went to Bar 35 tonight. It was the second time I have been there. Each time I have picked the same girl. I refuse to buy this dirtsack a drink and I just order a fucking blowjob. I hate wasting time, that's why I pay for her mouth in the first place! We went upstairs to a lofted area and I sat down in a chair and placed my beer on the little table next to it. I dropped my pants and undies. My cock and balls must have stunk because I was in meetings all day and I hadn't showered in about 48 hours. It didn't faze her one bit. She got naked. I love that she has a shaved box, which she let me eat. She has the most phenomenal sucking technique that I've experienced outside of Thailand. Absolutely incredible. Every few minutes I would stop and give her pussy a lick. I also ate her ass for a bit.

The grand finale was I pulled up my legs up and directed her to my asshole. She rimmed me like it was a free buffet, while stroking my beefstick. I told her that I was about to cum and she put her mouth back on my cock and stuck a finger in my ass. She remembered that I loved it from the last time. I blew a tremendous load in her mouth and she swallowed every drop.

I went back downstairs and paid for my beer and for the suck. She tried to make small talk, I couldn't be bothered. I did notice she had a pinky-nail size sore on her upper lip which she claimed was an abrasion from eating crab the night before. She insisted that the crab shell had cut her lip. Anyway, herpes or a run in with a crab doesn't matter to me. I've got Type 1 and 2 Herp anyway.

Bb for life.

Tiger 888

09-08-12, 20:08

This guy should be banned from ISG for bragging about VD and then spreading it around. Dirtbag. I'll never go to Bar 35 because of this.This guy is a troll. All fantasy without any connection to reality.

Bb Creampie

09-09-12, 15:42

This guy is a troll. All fantasy without any connection to reality.Get over it. I'm not the first manger to go BB. Last night I went to Go2Bar and met a lovely 27 year old from Nha Trang. I negotiated down to 2 million for all night including anal, and facials. Excellent service. I took her to my hotel on Bui Vien street, across from Bread and Butter Bar. They are girl friendly and my rate was 40usd.

Bb Creampie

09-09-12, 15:45

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Skippy001

09-10-12, 14:10

Hey Tiger,

I'd be happy to take you out some time and show you my BB skills. What is a troll by the way?

Let's meet up sometime.I do not normally comment on some of the things I read on this forum, I usually am looking for tips on having a good time without hassle. But in your case BP I feel generous, and I am at present staying quite near you and would like to extend the Aussie hand of friendship, namely a free trip to hospital. Bb if you like. See you soon.

Regards Skip

AfAsia

09-17-12, 06:30

This guy should be banned from ISG for bragging about VD and then spreading it around. Dirtbag. I'll never go to Bar 35 because of this.I disagree D Cups, lets see where this goes. This is most interesting.

Micky Mouse

09-27-12, 16:18

I am planning to head to Apocalypse Now tonight.

Any plans guys?

Dragonballzii

09-28-12, 05:58

I am planning to head to Apocalypse Now tonight.

Any plans guys?Ill also be there tonight MM.

Wendella

10-19-12, 16:56

I made the rounds at the D1 bars last weekend. Some surprising changes, if that's what they were.

On Le Thanh Ton, just 2 girls total in Quan Nho, and neither worth staying for. Bin Bin, usually reliable to be crowded with girls, had just around 6 total, way lower than usual, and mamasan didn't say many were with customers, but that they were 'in the countryside' (ok sure). No sign of the usual mamasan there, so something weird is going on at that place, unless it was just a strange night.

Checked a few on HBT and just off it. Packed with girls was Two Sisters (formerly known as Saigon NY).

Thien Loc was miserable. 35 nothing special. There's a new bar called 37 next to 35 which has total 3 girls, and if you order a beer they have to go next door to get it. 49 and 51 seemed their usual selves, didn't stay in those. 91 has its usual fresh talent, has turned over quite a bit. Didn't spot one familiar face from last time I went maybe 6 months ago. They did the lineup thing, so I got to pick what turned out to be the ice princess. After a game of billiards, it came time for her to pop the question, which was "You want to choose girl to take to hotel?"

Vicherei

10-20-12, 04:31

I made the rounds at the D1 bars last weekend. Some surprising changes, if that's what they were.

"Things seem to be quite slow in HCM overall these days. Bad economy, low season for tourists.

I also observed quite a few police crackdowns on street vendors and sidewalk cafes the last few days. Not sure if they are hitting the MP's and bars also.

Jet69

10-20-12, 13:34

Tried to hit most of the Billiard Bars to see what they were about.

First HBT.

Thien Loc was indeed VERY bad and nothing at all to look at. One drink and left.

Found a GEM at 35. 35 and 37 are run by the same mamasan, so the girls go back and forth.

Not sure if I have the numbers right, but 49, 51, and 91 all had a few that were worth the effort.

All had VERY few customers, often I was the only customer in the place.

Smiley's has some REAL hotties one night, then missing in action the following. Smileys had guys walking in looking for.

Specific girls, so they must have something going on right. Upstairs was in fact fun.

Bin Bin was a big disappointment. Along with the one next door. Nothing of interest in either.

Looked like a new one near Bin Bin. About a block away called "models". No time to stop in, but when the door was open, looked.

Promising.

Benny's, to me was cheap, quick and sleezy. No repeat for me. Girls were average at best and even though cheap, I will spend the extra cash for a nicer body and looks. For some reason a young lady blowing me with her tits poppped out of her shirt does nothing for me.

Overall, if you got some cash to burn, I found it fun. Some HOT bodies to be found, faces nothing higher than an 8. I found a gem who I took twice and was offered a third for no charge. YUM.

Newbies persepective. And thanks Wendella for all your posts. Very helpful.

Wendella

10-21-12, 05:59

Tried to hit most of the Billiard Bars to see what they were about.F. Y. I. In recent years, Bin Bin has been one that's always had a good number of girls (15-20 or so) with fresh talent often coming in, and better in looks / youth than most bars. Quan Nho next to it always just had a small number of girls but again usually higher quality. Really good attitude in both bars too, you could expect to be able to have some fun right there in the bar. Hopefully we just hit them on bad nights, it would be a shame if those 2 were in decline. About "Models" I don't know that place, but it is possible it's one of the Japanese bars, there are quite a few on that stretch of Le Thanh Ton, and also in the alley down past Quan Nho. Japanese bars had been booming but seem to be decreasing in number lately. I noticed only about half the ones that were there before still existed in the alley.

I never stop at Smiley's just because it's the kind of place that, if I stop in once a year, it's the same faces as last year, and then next year the same again. Just never seem to get any new ones. Maybe that's changed though. It would be nice if it did.

91 is the class of that stretch, in terms of looks / youth at least, though it's also the one place you're least likely to be treated well by the girl you're with. They're hot and they know it. 49 and 51 (you got all your numbers correct) are a step down in looks quality but up in attitude. 35 is another step down from those usually. 37 is more of an annex of 35, like you said. Thien Loc had been quite good in the past but seems stuck in hell now, one of the worst out there for lookers. If they ever get any decent girls again, it's one bar you can almost expect you'll end up being french-kissed at your bar stool. 29 on Dong Khoi is even more in that direction, but also has a problem getting fresh faces.

CarlEarly

11-06-12, 22:35

Johndao

11-14-12, 21:16

Wow, comments on this forum are extremely helpful for my first trip to HCMC next week.

One quick question: Can anyone tell me what time the HBT bars close? I'm flying in Wednesday night at 10:30pm and wanted to make sure I don't "lose any quality time" in D1.

Thanks in advance!Hey, I really hope you'll have a good time."Quality Time" and "D1, Ho Chi Minh City" sounds like an oxymoron to me. With your plane getting in at 10:30 I'd say you will arrive well past closing time in the paradise that is HCMC.

JD

Wendella

11-17-12, 06:39

JD and I amicably disagree on this issue. Fun can surely be had in those places, it's just more expensive than some places in town. If you're ok with paying something like $10 to sit and have a drink with a girl (incl bill and tip) , or for a total of $85-100 to culminate your new relationship, then it's a good option for you. It is perfect for the newcomer because it's easy, don't need to know the ropes or have connections, jsut walk in and the staff handles the rest.

Here's the thing, if your flight actually touches down at 10:30, it's going to be awhile after that when you're actually stepping into a taxi to head to your hotel (walking into these bars with all your luggage might seem a bit strange). I'm guessing you can't really hope to arrive at a bar until midnight or so. I think most of these bars will still be open at that time, if not all of them. The hitch is that the girls who are left in the bars at that hour are the ones who didn't get taken out earlier. Not sure which night you arrive, but if it's Friday or Saturday then I wouldn't get my hopes high. But you never know, if you have nothing else to do it's probably still worth wandering around and checking in at a few. So many of them are so close together, why not.

By the way, last night I stopped in again at Bin Bin. At 8:30 it had just 4 girls, which might mean that it really has declined a lot. That was a reliable place to go in and see lots of them, mostly fairly hot, a few quite so, and always some fresh faces. Again, it's possible a big group came in and nabbed most of the girls, but it's not likely. Not sure what happened there.

CarlEarly

11-21-12, 17:13

thanks jd and wendella for your input. much appreciated! here is my review.

i arrived late wednesday evening. my first stop was 29 dong khoi (around midnight). there was one other customer sitting at the bar and approx. 5-6 girls standing around (average looking at best). one girl approached me immediately and began rubbing my shoulders. shortly after, another came up beside me who was cuter than the others. cute girl invited me upstairs (forgot her name). things got pretty cozy in a matter of seconds. my girl wouldn't stop kissing me, which honestly was a little annoying considering i really wanted to enjoy my first beer in hcmc without another tongue in my mouth. i was offered the back room for $1. 2m but i politely declined, as i wanted to check out other bars. i gave her a generous 200k tip and headed out.

i popped in at thien loc only to see two girls sleeping by the entrance. enough said.

next stop was #91. everything i've read about this bar is true. at 12:30am, there were approx. 5-6 girls inside who were all very pretty. the bar was closing soon so i left after one beer. but it was nice to see the girls "working", and then see them change and come back in their "normal" clothes (talk about night and day). and yes, the mamasan is extremely cute. i challenge anyone to swoop her up!

as i started to walk towards my hotel, a random dude persuaded me to check out #51. this bar was surprisingly busy with one group shooting pool in the back. at the bar, i was approached by a girl (7 out of 10). the service here was better than most. there was quite a bit of fondling and kissing at the bar. the rate for a st hotel was also $1. 2m which i declined. i gave her a generous tip and headed home.

next night, my first stop was #49. it was early (around 10:00pm) and 10+ girls standing around inside. there were no customers, so one by one, i was approached by girls at the bar. one in particular caught my eye so we went upstairs. just when i was about to commit to leaving with her, she suddenly got up and ran back downstairs. i poked my head to see what was going on, and noticed all the girls had left. my guess is, a vip customer came in and wanted to see a line-up? not sure, but my girl came back claiming she had to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). at that point, i had lost all the excitement so i simply said i would come back later.

next stop was bin bin. i read a lot of great things about this bar, but it was by far the worst experience. there were 3 girls at the time, all looked terrible. one girl kept insisting i buy her a drink. i finally caved and bought her one drink. seconds later, the mamasan tried to convince me to take her to a st hotel. i told the mamasan that i wanted to enjoy a few drinks first (since i was completely sober). she gave me the nastiest look. i decided to leave and asked for the bill. she tried to rip me off on peanuts which i didn't even see on the table. before giving me my change, she asked if i tipped my girl. i told her that my girl didn't speak any english, so me buying her a drink seemed more than enough, and i told her i didn't think a tip was necessary (plus, everyone was so rude). she refused to give me my change, so i just left.

i stopped by a few clubs (sin and diamond club) and had a pretty good time. i ended the night at #35 (around 2:00am) and met a girl who looked like the leading lady from mission impossible 2. her attitude was amazing. she insisted we go upstairs to show me her naked body. she was the first and only girl i took home and had a blast.

final thoughts: hcmc seems like a pretty safe area. i walked around by myself until 3:00am every night and had no problems. for those of you going for the first time, you'll get the hang of it very quickly. the best looking girl i saw was at a small bar to the right of bin bin (if you are facing it). i think the bar was called twilight. most of the girls were ugly, but one in particular had a tatoo on her back and she looked like gogo (japanese girl from kill bill). sorry for the movie references but i hope it helps. i'm heading back to hmcm in a couple months.

CaseyStar

11-24-12, 02:02

I'm a Hanoi mongerer mainly. Now I find myself with the opportunity to spend time in HCMC every month. I truly appreciate Wendella's posting. Very useful indeed. I will be checking out the HBT bar scene this coming week and I'll be sure to report back on what I find.

Any current updates on average pricing? I'm always happy to negotiate, based upon attitude. Always useful to have some numbers in my head though.

If only Hanoi had a bar scene like HCMC!

Wendella

11-24-12, 05:44

You got to 91 bar much too late. When I was there at about 8pm one night, there were over 20 girls there, some were stunning.

Something has happened at Bin Bin, because that consistently has been the #2 bar in terms of numbers, youth and good looks for the past few years, and suddenly it's only got a very small number of C-grade girls.

Twilight bar next to Bin Bin used to be called Insomnia, I think it had other names before that, but was never one of the THESE kinds of bars. More of a normal bar to meet buddies and have a drink, not a place with girls available for takeout. I guess it's possible that changed but I would be surprised if it did. Pursuing a girl in a normal bar, even staff, is a very different game than at the HBT bars.

Wendella

11-26-12, 10:41

Looked like a new one near Bin Bin. About a block away called "models". No time to stop in, but when the door was open, looked. Promising.Had a look at this place, it's definitely a Japanese bar. Nothing like Bin Bin. 91, etc. Looking good is the only service the girls provide there.

Msaw16

11-26-12, 17:51

I was in Vietnam a few years ago and didn't notice much from the scene but it looks like I should have read this forum earlier hehehe. How do you guys regard safety as in taking a girl to your hotel? Is there a list of hotels that turn a blind eye or that you have knowledge from?

Fysh999

11-26-12, 19:44

Hello,

First post so please be gentle! Have just been out in HCMC with a girl I met online. We went to a seafood restaurant a way out of town near the airport then back into town and to a club behind / above a bar / restaurant called Napoly on Pham Ngoc Thach, northeast of the cathedral. To access you go down the alley to the side then up the lit, carpeted stairs at the back. It's not a seedy place, in fact the prices are high (VND90k for a bottle of Tiger).

The place on a Monday night was full of the best looking girls I've seen in Vietnam. They were all wearing cream coloured dresses and all were damn near perfect. There were a few others wandering around that looked like they might have been working, but not for the club. In total at least 15-20 were there and of the ones that were working, some were with VN guys and a couple with Westerners.

I had the girl I was with who was almost as good but there were many that went home alone. Club closes pretty promptly around midnight so get there a bit earlier. I cannot unfortunately give you prices but I'm guessing higher than your average MP girl. So maybe you might want to check it out on the last night of your holiday if there is some spending money left.

It's a pretty nice place to hang out even if you don't want a girl. Atmosphere was fun, plenty of locals enjoying themselves and live music.

Apologies if this has already been covered, or isn't of any use to anyone.

CaseyStar

12-11-12, 15:46

Spent a few evenings checking a couple of the regular bars on HBT.

#91. Dropped in a couple of evenings. First time, I stuck with the initial approach to see what unfolded. She was nice looking and held a decent conversation but I ended up just staying for the one beer. Tried to push me for excessive ST fees, assuming I didn't know any better. Seemed most put out when I disputed her numbers. She was asking 2m for a ST, plus 500k bar fine and a few drinks. Silly money. I bought her a couple of drinks but soon moved on. Tipped her 100k for her time. Second evening, was more choosy and selected a pleasant looking and warm attitude girl. Had a good time with her at the bar for a while. Agreed on 1. 5m ST plus bar fine. Much more reasonable. We headed off to my hotel and she proved a great lay for what turned out to be almost three hours. She never asked for any more money and was happy with the 1. 5m. Lovely girl. Name is Tuyet, I think, ginger / red hair and cute dimples.

#35. What an interesting joint this is. Wandered in. Chose a girl who was not young and not old but very friendly. Shot some pool (bloody awful table and cues) and then sat up at the bar. She went to town on me and was all over me with DFK, serious groping and allowing me access to literally all of her. Dress up around her waist, panties pulled aside. Lovely. I enquired about going upstairs for a HJ. Just about fell off my chair. Asking 1. 6m for a HJ! But, no bar fine, of course. ST was 2m plus barfine of $35! Bloody hell. I laughed through it, having ordered a pizza and wanting to finish it. Needless to say I didn't take her anywhere and soon moved on.

Blue Gecko. Not a pick up bar at all, just an Aussie-stlye pub. But, the Sapporo beer girl was lovely and gave me her number and one of the cute young waitresses also gave me her number. So good to go for next HCMC visit.

Sapao5

12-12-12, 02:45

We headed off to my hotel and she proved a great lay for what turned out to be almost three hours. She never asked for any more money and was happy with the 1. 5m. Lovely girl. Name is Tuyet, I think, ginger / red hair and cute dimples.It sounds like you stayed in a guest-friendly hotel. Which was it?

CaseyStar

12-12-12, 15:51

It sounds like you stayed in a guest-friendly hotel. Which was it?Golden Rose Saigon on Vo Van Tan Street. No issues whatsoever.

TumTich

12-25-12, 19:05

I like to go to Gossip to start the night. Almost everyday of the week it's well frequented and over weekends is pleasant and not too packed. I like the loud music even if it's not the best electro and the sound is quite bad, they have good lights and nice videoeffects, bottle of Vodka is amazing cheap 1, 1 Mil. Comparing to other disco like Apo or Lush, and Gossip is supposed to be pricey. The staff is overfriendly, at the beginning it was almost disturbing, now I got used to it. The other night when I came here I got to a table near the stage, it's a good place to have a look to the girls when they go to bathrom. At the table near mine there were the stage dancing girls. 2 of them dance and 2 of them rest. We have some drinks together and dance together at our tables, they are friendly, sexy outfits, I have good fun and would like to take one out to go on the night at another club but she's firm, she must go home, she lives with her mother and when she has finished her night and changes her dress, wow what a change, she's really dressed old fashion and looks all different from the sexy girl on stage. But I had a good time anyway, before leaving the 2 ask me for some tip and I give her 500k for the two. When I come in tonight it seems to have more nice looking girls around, but most of them are PR-Hostess. This time I choose a table near the bar, where usually the WG are. I am offered from one of the manager there to have some girls, PR or other but I tell him I like to stay alone so I won't be bothered every 5 minutes with PR wanting to have a drink and talk. Now, the music is so loud that there is no way to understand what they would say and the WG are not so many and not great deal to choose. Gossip has fame to have the nicest girls to be seen and indeed you can see many nice girls but usually they are with locals, many "business gangs" do be seen here and they always have stunners with them. So I like to stay there, drinking and dancing the music and look around what happens. If ou are patient, something always happens; in a disco everybody sees everybody. 2 tables in front of me 2 beauties have just arrived. 1 must be a model, elegant, classy. The boss there takes all care of them. They stay there till the end, no chance to make eye contact. At the other end of the disco there is a table with 3 girls, the way they dress they are not WG, they go to dance on the dance floor, they are really far away from me, after some time one of the girl start smiling and wawing and it finish we all dancing and drinking together. I invite them to go on the night at GO2 but they have to go home, the one girl I like gaves me her phone number but I'll forget it. I go back to my table to finish my drink and ready to leave and the model beauty in front of me makes big smiles at me and cheers in an inviting way. I smile back politely but prefer not to go in that one. Looks like some expensive night with a starfish at the end. In fact I always have good time here, the purpose is not finding a girl because there is not much to choose, as I can rember I only once took to my hotel a girl from Gossip. If it's not too late, I go to Apo, tonight I stayed here till the end, the mood is great, the right time to go to GO2.

TumTich

12-26-12, 18:46

Here, things at the disco on 1. Floor start quite late, if you come too early it's empty, you can have a drink or even eat on the groundfloor, food is not that great, if you want to have good food late at night the 2 Chinese at Nguyen Trai around nr 160-170 are a good deal and during weekends from 2 am. 5 am you can even find quite many girls trying a last chance to get something. At Go2 it starts about at 2 am, many girls from other disco closing come here but also many girls that work only for Go2 only start coming around 2. 30 am. They get a ticket for free entry and a drink so you must know that the bar will have a cut on her. Some girls are not allowed to enter befor 3 am, so is good to wait to see all what is offered. At 3 am is the better time for hunting, in the average FL are 1 point higher than Apo and everynight some really nice looking girls are there, the ambiance too is always great, at that time of the night many girls are a bit waisted and are friendly and enjoying the night. It's common to see some particular faces that catch all your attention, of course almost all are FL and some locals with some specially interesting girls but with no access possible. Ratio is ok too, about 1 to 1. Here I am naturally talking only about asian girls, there are also lots of western girls with western friends that don't belong to our target. Staff is friendly and correct, I have never been cheated, but as many people are quite waisted sometimes there is trouble, they might think they have been cheated or the drinks are too expensive, you have to consider you're partaking in the only disco open at 5 am, there is a good offer with nice girls, dj, all this have a cost, that's all over the world so. I spent my funniest nights here, cost beetween 500K to 1'000K for 3-4 hours of great fun with girls, drinking, dancing, at the end you leave with the girl of your choice. Girls are in order of 2 Mil or 100 USD for LT, rarely we discuss about the price, only if the girl ask first. I take them to my hotel always for the night and morning because after drinking all night sometimes it might not work as wished eheh, so it's good to do it in the morning as well. Here too, never had any problem with the girls, just have good sense when you choose them, most of them are good girls.

Now one thing you have to be careful when you leave, never take the taxi that are waiting outside the Go2 or proximity. Contrary to all other disco like Apo, Lush, Gossip, XXX disco where you always have some of the staff taking care of you for the taxi and taxi are 100 % reliable, the taxi standing outside Go2 are all rip off, they might have written on the car the number 27 27 (Vinasum) or 38 38 (Mailinh) but not the nameon the car and ar not legit, the good ones always have written the name on the car Vinasum. 27 27 or Mailinh. 38 38, so walk few steps to the intersection and stop a driving taxi. One of the first time I was here I took once one of these rip off taxi, the trip to my hotel is around 40K so when I get there I read on taximeter 40K and somethings, let's say 43'000 the and give the driver 50'000 the and he says, no is more, it's 430'000 the, I look better the taximeter and indeed it was 430'000, look at my girl but she doesn't say a word, little argue with him, wish him a clear f. O. And give him other 50'000 and go into my hotel, they try to ripp you off but are not really agressive, the driver didn't even get out of his car and left. Don't expect any help of the girl with you, later she will say.". Sorry, I'm working there I cannot speak".

Go2 is my favorite of Hcm night.

TumTich

12-28-12, 21:13

Specific of most of the spots listed here can be found on barsonline hcm, hope saying that is not against forum's rule; if it's the case I apologize.

NAPOLY BAR . MISS SAIGON.

They are on the same street Pham Ngoc Thach, D3, one on the beginning and the other on the end I went walking but it's quite a long street. NAPOLY BAR is on the first floor, follow the music in the backside of the house. Was there around 10 pm. There was the highest concentration of nice ladies I have seen in Hcm, about 20 girls, bartenders also all beauties, quite friendly, but it's about all, kitschy place, bad live music, I got a poor margarita for about 140k. Seems to be a place for regulars locals, and all the girls were busy at their tables, I didn't get approached by any of them, I havo no idea what the rates are and didn't stay long.

MISS SAIGON, should be a 3 levels bar with food restaurant on the 1. Floor so I thought it would be an interesting place but when I got there groundfloor was closed. 1. Floor also but could see some lights and hear music coming from 2. Floor; there was a guy there and asked him what was on 2. Floor and he mimics BJ, I was hungry for food and didn't check 2. Floor.

SKY BAR.

Is on the top of the tower besides the New World Hotel. Stylish place, great drinks and great audio and music choice, disco-are&be-hip hop, one of the best in town and the bathrooms are worth a look. All this has a cost, few drinks and fruits and the bill will hurt. It's an open air bar and if you are around Ben Tan Market or PNL area you can see the lights. One night a sudden shower came and everybody rushed inside, that gave a better ambiance. My girlfriend took me there few times, never went alone so I don't know what's the deal. There are some FL but not many, strangely it is inversly proportional, very expensive place with many males and a poor selection of females accessible.

Mostly busy with tourists and some local couples. Still worth a visit. I think it closes at 1 am.

BLANCHY'S TASH.

In HBT street, just next door to 91. Quite new opened place, stylish, good drinks, the caipirinha or mojito is around 170k, busy with expats and tourists. The most action is on groundfloor, sometimes I have seen few FL but seems already before arranged contacts. The music is great, no doubt the best one I've heard here, Ibiza sound, last time I was there was a great dj, but nobody seems to pay attention or dance. Dancefloor is on 2. Floor but it's quite small, the music is not so good, no ambiance, there are some groups of local girls, but not WG, just normal girls having the night out to have fun. I go there before going to any disco.

OSCAR CLUB-DISCO.

On Nguyen Hué 12. It's a disco in the style of Gossip or the XXX Disco. A girl from Apo took me there some times when Apo was closing, it's opened till 3 am, but I don't know if everyday. Music is quite loud but good, lots of local "business gangs" with real beauties at their tables getting waisted, it's common to see people beeing helped or better carried out at the end of the evening, we also liked to get waisted there with tequila and beer, great ambiance. Bottle of vodka amazing cheap, I think 900K last year, this year I haven't been there yet. Staff overfriendly if you go there more than one time. There are some nice hostess, the bartenders are amazing beauties, all 3 of them, but nobody seems to stay at the bar because it's a little hidden from the action and the dancefloor. Last time I was there alone I had a funny night. I was at one table, drinking alone, and there was that pr going from table to table, I think her job is to make customers emptying the bottle as much as possible, wondering why I didn't want any hostess at my table. Ahah you don't like women, starts that game of paper, scissors and stone, who looses have to drink a shot, she's used to drink and stands good vodka, so I order some tequila shots, at the beginning she doesn't want to drink but after she obliges and very soon gets so funny, start coming closer and closer and kissing me to see if I like it eheh and makes me feel pretty horny and I would have asked her out, but unfortunately when I went to the bathroom and came back, I crossed her being carried upstairs to rest by two people of the staff. It was not my purpose of course, but the ambiance was that.

APOCALYPSE NOW.

Thi Sach street. The most famous disco of Hcm. It's a friendly place, drinks are quite cheap, but bottles quite expensive. Staff friendly but you don't get that attention like at Gossip, or Oscar, the place is too busy for that. The thing I like about Apo is that it's a cool place with good ambiance, people there enjoy the night and the mix offered is very various, or better used to be, because now it seems to have changed. You could find all kind of girls there epecially on Friday and Saturday, of course mostly FL but also occasionally girls looking for some stranger or needing some money just one night. I have been there almost everynight this time trying to see that particular face that makes your night a special night, but could only see night after night the same WGs and the quality seems to slide down, very few beauties who are very soon busy. The music also is not that great thing, always the same everynight. One girl from Go2 I was staying with, when I asked her if she never went to Apo, she told me that she went sometimes but after the boss wanted her to buy a VIP card for some 20 Mil, so she couldn't get into anymore, and she was quite a cute young girl, so I offered her to take her there with me and when we came to the entry, the doorman start shouting at her to go away she cannot go inside, I ask her what the problem and she says she doesn't know, it can only be the VIP card story, so I think she's a problemgirl, because I've never experienced that before, I know that disco's staff tend to protect customers from problematic girls, so I don't believe her and let her down. But afterthat, some days later I go out with a girl from Go2, a real gorgeous, sexy girl that everydisco should be glad to have, and she says me exactly the same story. So if it's true, it might be that shitty strategy that keeps away interesting new girls.

LUSH.

Ly Tu Trung 2. Nice disco, used to go a lot there, very good music choice and good audio, drinks in the average but bottles expensive. Lush has special nights. Tuesday is the big night, ladynight were ladies get free drinks till 11 or 12 so the place is soon packed, better get there by 11 pm to get a good choice, lots of FL around the bar or upstairs, at the tables mostly the golden youth of Hcm with many outstanding beauties, there is no dancefloor which is most uncomfortable but in the other hand helps create a good ambiance. Outside in the lounge bar is also a good place for meeting girls, no music so you can discuss if it's what you like. I used to prefer on Friday when they often have a special guest dj, are&be or hip hop, not so much quantity but better quality. Mostly, at the end of the night, the bartenders use to dance on the bar and pour tequila from the bottles directly in the mouth of the people at the bar. Saturday also I liked it, they play techno, great music, but didn't seem to attract many people, never seen a busy night. They also serve quite good food at good prices. All the other night you can forget, sometimes on Thursday is something going on. I haven't been there for a long time so things might have changed, things change very quickly in Hcm.

Play fair and have fun

Old New Guy

02-11-13, 22:58

Visited Lush tonight. If there were FLs they were well hidden, or seated with young Viet customers :0

Actually one single lady by herself upstairs. She was not interested. And not even good looking.

Then across the road there is Diamond. It seems even of an higher level. When it become clear to them that I was looking for ladies and not to leave my money there, I was shown the restroom door first (nor sure why LOL) , then the exit, that I took with no regrets.

Then I went to Go2 and checked out the area. The club cover is 150k, that seems steep for a drink for that kind of place, at least from outside. A nice thing about HCMC and backpackers is that they are all concentrated there at night, so if one doesn't wants to see them, just avoid the place. While pondering my options a pimps seats me few doors down and calls over three girls. The first two were good looking enough, the third was irresistibly cute, as button. Kind of long negotiation. I took her home. Rate 800k "1 hour".2mil "overnight". The girl's looks were no discussion, then also her attitude proved worth it. Too bad she is too young for me. She agreed to further sessions for 500k that seems an excellent option. But I still want to check and try other things.

Old New Guy

02-15-13, 20:43

Yesterday I've been wandering around that place. I don't know the name. Where all the cheap bars are. I can tell you for sure, that is a great way to waste your time. Although I hooked up with a gorgeous lady at the bar opposite Go 2, she's not a pro, not a semi-pro, and likely I will get nothing except the spending for going out.

I take a motorbike ride to my hotel and the guy convinces me to get "lady good, if no good no pay money". As it turned out, that proved true. Asking price 800k for 1 hrs, that I agreed to. He calls and after less than 3 minutes a girl with another guy shows up and she's kind of cute, so I bargain to 1mil for 2 hrs and 2 pops. To be paid in room. In the room she proved to be the total disaster, call it the original useless unwilling prostitute. 30 secs uncovered BJ then she want missionary. I want doggie, she complains that it hurts, I complain that I pad for sex not for her wills, or my money back. To my surprise she gives in, hands me back 1mil while I give her 200k, and she's and is out of the door. Lucky it worked out like that, I'll never do something like that again.

The gorgeous lady of above. I meet here again as she looks too good. We have a decent night out going at Lush but she soon wants to be back home where mother waits for her. After she's gone, I try to enjoy myself, see the same dried up lady of my previous reports in the same exact spot, then nothing else to be taken. Damage 2. 5mil but they keep your bottle for a next time.

Old New Guy

02-19-13, 18:47

The hotel you staying is just opposite the landmark New World Hotel.

If you are a lone white skin and if you wander out into the street alone with BIG WORDS "NEWBIE" printed all over your face, you will likely be approached by a couple of very pretty "ladies" on their motorbikes and they will ask if you would like to have a boom-boom time for just US$10. If you say yes to them, they will take you on their bike to another hotel for the happy-hour. And that is when you will loose everything and hopefully still have your pants. These "ladies" will take your wallet and monies and run off with it while you are in the shower. And they are actually lady-boys, not real ladies.It was during my my first walk there that I was approached by two of these types. It was quite evident to me that they were men and I so told'them, especially the older one driving. They insisted, even wanting me touch 'for proof', what else could have they said.

Sometimes, these monsters will actually walk right up to you and start talking to you and grabbing your balls and when they go off, you will suddenly realised that your mobile phone and wallet is no longer in your pocket.

So the answer is NO! It is not safe for a lone white skin to walk on the street at night.From my perception, it is safe as long you're not drunk, stupid, or extremely unlucky. And not even life endangering.

Old New Guy

02-19-13, 19:36

So I had been going after this great looking lady, married to a Western, temporarily visiting family in HCMC. Last date was at the Sheraton, for the live music at the 23th level bar, that wasn't bad BTW. I have the right signals, but she wouldn't budge, goes home after driving me home. Yeah right, I took the road to by the river, for a little walking. Check'd out some sort big disco on the round plaza, nothing worth. Walk around more I'm at the Sheraton again. Then without having ever know before, by 49 and 51. Something gets me in. Ladies are hot and properly **** dresses. I call a 20 yr young to sit with me, and she's a petite full 9+ in face, and I'm saying this having been close to many true Asian beauties already in my life. Drinks are 60k for either sexes. I'm not sure If I got it right but a BJ upstairs half a million. Or 100 USD overnight outside, but then I got a little consuded about the details. This girls doesn't overnight anyway. I'm tempted. I try some negotiation. But there is none to be gad, on the other hand girls like her are not seen everyday be it in bars, cafes, high-ends shops or what else. Right then my phone rings and is the sophisticated lady wanting know "how I am doing". I walk outside to answer without hearing the noise. Surprisingly, I'm let out without paying the bill. I stand up out talking long time. No way she leave home then, but considering that she leaves tomorrow. Wants specific reassurances. I make some face to the vendors by the door as to show it's some mischievous situation that I'm handling, and they seem to show understanding and empathy. Comforting. Anyway I did my best to make my case, even in the state of moderate intoxication I was. As it worked, hotel date made for the following day. Back in, with something to talk about with the girl, still sitting there and mamasan as non-interested third-party, as the bar conversations are awkward enough. For me at least. I'm made aware that I spoke 20 minutes. And explained that it was due to post-Tet to not have other customers. At that point the ball had dropped for me, one last beer, paid bill, got pressed for a tip that I left in half the amount demanded. And left in a happy mood.

Wendella

02-21-13, 07:06

There's a new HBT type bar on Thi Sach up the street a little bit from Apocalypse Now. Sorry I don't remember the name, and I did not go into it to find out how good it is. Expectations are not high.

Johndao

02-22-13, 03:13

I take a motorbike ride to my hotel and the guy convinces me to get "lady good, if no good no pay money". As it turned out, that proved true. Asking price 800k for 1 hrs, that I agreed to. He calls and after less than 3 minutes a girl with another guy shows up and she's kind of cute, so I bargain to 1mil for 2 hrs and 2 pops. To be paid in room. In the room she proved to be the total disaster, call it the original useless unwilling prostitute. 30 secs uncovered BJ then she want missionary. I want doggie, she complains that it hurts, I complain that I pad for sex not for her wills, or my money back. To my surprise she gives in, hands me back 1mil while I give her 200k, and she's and is out of the door. Lucky it worked out like that, I'll never do something like that again.Yes, she is an unwilling prostitute, also known as a sex slave. She is a prisoner of whoever dropped her off with you. She gets your cock, he gets your money. Now she will be be beaten instead, which she decided would be preferable to your cock. Congrats.

JD

Old New Guy

02-22-13, 22:28

After wasting some time at AP with the fcukbuddy lady, she doesn't want go for the fcuk part, so finds her way home soon. I had texted the NPK 84 cutie, but in between things and things she went too sleep too and now it's late already. For curiosity I get to Sin Lounge that has to be one of the most exclusive clubs, at the Lancaster Hotel. Not a single Western in sight. Golden youth and all that, drinks start at 200k, but it's Ballantine 17 yrs, so you get what you pay for. Relevance to P4P:.0. 00. I shake my ass off a bit and some of the girl partying offers me a puff from the narghile', that I decline with a smile. That was the empathy peak of the night. Some hot girls and few ugly ones, as anywhere else. While pondering on the reasons of my Asian fever (may be shapely Chinese girl at secondary school? The pictures of the Filipina covered in cum on the porno magazine at the same age?) I saw her, gorgeous, fully developed long aired with heavy makeup, low waist denims, marches out and has the Thai tattoo with five vertical stripes on her the lower back. So someone like import goods here after all. Anyway, that is not our market so I leave too.

I pinder my options, geez without exact lead these very few now. I walk to AP and the selection is very slim already. One older woman that I like is taken by an Asian gent more senior than me. All the others are pushy skanks. Man to lady ratio is horrible, big time seller market. For a while I enjoyed thinking I was at Hollywood in Patong, well I was not, otherwise I would have something better to do than write this right now. AP closes at 3:30. By the curb, just for fun I approach a lady standing there, with her modest looks she reminds me a lot the bridge lady of two or three days ago. I say five hundreds and she has an hard time getting it. She even say something like 500 USD with a straight face? Laughed, got a late (korean?) dinner at family mart, call it a day.

Dewdrops

04-10-13, 16:59

Are there any pregnant women offering services in and around bars, clubs or other areas.

Any info will be appreciated

Dave Carrera

04-11-13, 04:10

I heard that there are some great looking pros who work there. Any thoughts?

CrackAddict

05-23-13, 13:14

Here's my experience in one the HBT bars. Will write about the others later.

49

Impressions. Kind of dark, older, and run-down, no a / see, only fans, small table and benches up front, bar with about 12-15 stools on right. 1 pool table toward the back, and another table through the sliding doors further back (this small "VIP" room has a / see and is available for the right price).

First went to 49 around 4:30 in the afternoon after tricking my uncle into playing "billiards" like it says on the window. We walk in and there was one older guy in the bar (50's. Same age as my uncle) with the only girl (cute) in the bar besides the mamasan (who is kinda rough). Ordered a couple heinekins (50k each) and say we would like to play pool. Reach for a couple sticks and turn around and suddenly there are 2 cute girls (mid 20's. 7ish) who want to play with us. (don't know where they came from) One girl "M" who is wearing a silk spaghetti strap shirt and jeans, grabs my ass and asks a few of the usual questions. "buy me drink?" (50k)"where you from?" "where you stay?" the other girl "W" wearing a casual thigh-high dress, who is now rubbing on my uncle, hardly speaks a word of english. Then M explains the rules. Us against them. They win, we pay them $10 each. We win, they get naked. I ask "only tits?" No M says, we show you every ting. Uncle immediately agrees. They win the first game. M is good and has clearly been around the bars for a while, but W is not very good, so we strategize for game 2. I try not to leave M a shot, while uncle clears the table. This works, and we "win" game 2. I am led to the back by M, past the second pool table room to a room in back with a small table and some pillows on the floor. I sit on the pillows and M closes the door begins a slow, playful striptease. Nice body, small tits and nipples. And the only girl I saw in Vietnam who is completely shaven. Damn. She kinda "falls" into my lap, straddling my leg and shoves a tit in my face and amazingly quickly has my dick out. As she is licking on my neck, and stroking me, she wispers in my ear that she will blow me for $50. I must say this is a very good bargaining position, and I'm sure it works quite often. Just not with me. I say 300k. She sticks to her guns. 1mil. I say I already paid $10 so final offer of 500k with tip of 100k if good is finally accepted. Her mouth slides from my neck down to my now raging hardon and she very quickly has me shooting a load in her mouth and earning that tip.

The second time we went to this bar was a couple days later around 9 pm and there was about 10-12 girls in front as you walk in and 2 guys sitting at the bar. The girls here are more casually dressed than 51 or 91 but there were 3 or 4 that I'd say were 8's and several 7's. It was also more relaxed than 51 or 91. The girls would cling on us when we walked in, but left us alone when we said we just wanted a beer. A couple wandered over a while later and started talking, not immediately asking for a drink which was also refreshingly different from 51, 91 and others. One girl "W" was a little skinny, but a real stunner. I didn't see her when we walked in, but it is easy to get overwhelmed when you walk in to these bars as they all jump at you and grab at you. Anyway W knew she was hot and kept looking at herself in the mirror behind the bar. As much as I wanted to barfine her and fu*k her silly, I elected to go upstairs and get a BJ for 8ook. I knew this was too much but I really wanted to fu*k that beautiful face. As it turns out, it was kinda dark upstairs and I couldn't really see that well and she wasn't all that great. I knew she was not going to be a performer, but I still took her anyway and overpaid no less. Shame on me. Not the first time I made that mistake, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Beer and beautiful women have a way of making me disregard those warning signs. Anyway, no such thing as a bad BJ in my book.

All and all, this was my favorite bar in HCM. Although it is kinda old and dingy, it is much more relaxed than any other bar we went to, and it does have it's share of hot women who aren't pushy and all hookered up in high priced dresses and covered in makeup. Of course, YMMV.

Dewdrops

05-25-13, 02:52

I like pregnant girls. Is there any place- bar, red light area, Street workers where pregnant girls can be available?

OnlyLooking

05-27-13, 04:19

NormanBrightside

05-28-13, 22:04

Arrived at about 11. 30. I was going to go with a waitress I met in the cavern club but as she was working until 1am decided to go alone. It's my kind of club. I've tried the bars 91, 51, 49 etc and although there are some very cute girls I just prefer the vibe and atmosphere of a club. For a Tuesday it was fairly packed and while the women were on the 5-8 scale there was plenty of choice. The girl I ended up taking looked late 20's but I found out later was 35. I bargained her down to 1. 5 which may still be too much but for Singapore prices was ok. Went back to her place and had a great GFE experience. Great oral skills and enthusiastic. We then chilled but as was late already even though. She wanted me to stay I had to head off to my hotel to get some sleep. Overall a good night. I'm posting as the more I come to Vietnam the more I appreciate the place. As a mongering destination I'm warming to it. It doesn't have the bar scene of an AC or Thailand but there are lots of opportunities for both bar girls, freelancers and also shop girls.

BaliBoy87

06-20-13, 06:40

Thanks a lot mate! I've been reading this from page 20!

I will go to HCMC with my friend on oct. Lucky me I found this forum!

Never been to HCMC, but hoping it will hit the jackpot by following the guide here!

BaliBoy87

06-20-13, 06:44

Wendella

06-23-13, 15:56

Thanks a lot mate! This will be very helpfull!Actually that list is pretty out of date now. There was a major clampdown on these places last week, and 4 of the main bars were shut down (35, 37, 49, 51) and the rest are in rough shape. I went around to check out a few bars tonight. If a bar usually had 15 girls, now it has 3. And it's not the pretty young ones. They seem to have been ordered to take away the darkened glass they usually have on the front, and also to keep the lights up bright, and the girls to dress in much less sexy outfits. Some bars went with ao dais, others with dresses. It was so bad, even at 91 there wasn't a single one I was interested in sitting with. If it stays like this long term, could be the end of this scene. Seriously, for anyone coming to town, unless things change, my earlier post about these bars no longer applies. These places are not worth visiting right now, you're sure to be disappointed. Hope they bounce back.

AcesMcGee

06-24-13, 09:14

Thanks for the advice Wendella.

Have you ever known a similar clampdown on the scene?

Martin

Actually that list is pretty out of date now. There was a major clampdown on these places last week, and 4 of the main bars were shut down (35, 37, 49, 51) and the rest are in rough shape. I went around to check out a few bars tonight. If a bar usually had 15 girls, now it has 3. And it's not the pretty young ones. They seem to have been ordered to take away the darkened glass they usually have on the front, and also to keep the lights up bright, and the girls to dress in much less sexy outfits. Some bars went with ao dais, others with dresses. It was so bad, even at 91 there wasn't a single one I was interested in sitting with. If it stays like this long term, could be the end of this scene. Seriously, for anyone coming to town, unless things change, my earlier post about these bars no longer applies. These places are not worth visiting right now, you're sure to be disappointed. Hope they bounce back.

Asian Rain

06-24-13, 18:42

Actually that list is pretty out of date now. There was a major clampdown on these places last week, and 4 of the main bars were shut down (35, 37, 49, 51) and the rest are in rough shape. I went around to check out a few bars tonight. If a bar usually had 15 girls, now it has 3. And it's not the pretty young ones. They seem to have been ordered to take away the darkened glass they usually have on the front, and also to keep the lights up bright, and the girls to dress in much less sexy outfits. Some bars went with ao dais, others with dresses. It was so bad, even at 91 there wasn't a single one I was interested in sitting with. If it stays like this long term, could be the end of this scene. Seriously, for anyone coming to town, unless things change, my earlier post about these bars no longer applies. These places are not worth visiting right now, you're sure to be disappointed. Hope they bounce back.Yuck. Too bad for the long-noses who are too timid to walk more than 100m from the Sheraton. Not too long ago I used to shop a few times a week at Annam Gourmet Market across from 49/51 HBT. Enjoyed watching the guys open the door as potential customers walked by.

If they cracked down on Two Sisters as well, but not the places on LTT in the Japanese area, my suspicion would be that there is a move to get these places on / near HBT to move out. In addition to being an embarrassment for the tourist trade, these places are occupying prime shop spots which could easily be transformed into restaurants or yet another upscale art gallery. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Good luck, AsianRain

AdHome01

06-24-13, 20:29

In addition to being an embarrassment for the tourist trade, these places are occupying prime shop spots which could easily be transformed into restaurants or yet another upscale art gallery. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Good luck, AsianRainI was thinking the same thing.

No one is getting out of jail and they're looking at a few years in prison. The families of the bar owners are going to start selling off anything inside of value, so they won't be reopening. One other thing, the bars not busted all closed right before the raid so they new it was coming. I guess we'll see soon enough.

OzzieSuds

06-26-13, 02:33

Wendella

06-26-13, 06:29

Hi Wendella.

What about Smiley and the others on Thai Van lung and Thi Sach? Coming back to SGN in a week or so and don't wish to look up possessive old flames.That one looked open but like I said, most of the girls are not showing up, it's only the most hard-core ones who are still coming to work. You'll see. These places are not worth the visit right now, at least not if female company is your purpose. If a quiet beer alone is your aim, they're perfect. ;-)

I had time to drive up around the airport massage places and most of those are gone now-permanently, by the way it looked, just a few of them left (I did not take a look inside).

This rash of raids and closings in these 2 scenes could possibly be connected (no knowledge, just speculating). Facebook also is not working yet again. Over the years they shut it down every once in awhile. Real pain in the derriere cuz these days lots of websites have some kind of Facebook button or link window on the page, and so all those webpages just crash now, you can't read them, it goes to a Page Won't Load message. Really annoying.

Bowerboy

06-27-13, 14:36

D Cups

06-27-13, 15:07

Thanks, Bowerboy. Where is Ba Vi please?

As Wendella said pretty much all of the bars in HBT are now shut. I don't know how crak downs work here but they are SHUT at the moment. The appearance indicates they are shut for good.

There are 2 bars still open but all see grade girls and when you go inside they barely acknowledge you at all.

It would genuinely seem like the end of that strip of bars.

Ba Vi still seemed to be going relatively strong (although to be fair there are far fewer places than there were 3 or 4 years ago). I think Ba Vi represents the best chance for fun at the moment. Beautiful girls there for sure.

Wendella

06-29-13, 07:51

As Wendella said pretty much all of the bars in HBT are now shut. I don't know how crak downs work here but they are SHUT at the moment. The appearance indicates they are shut for good.

There are 2 bars still open but all see grade girls and when you go inside they barely acknowledge you at all.

It would genuinely seem like the end of that strip of bars.

Ba Vi still seemed to be going relatively strong (although to be fair there are far fewer places than there were 3 or 4 years ago). I think Ba Vi represents the best chance for fun at the moment. Beautiful girls there for sure.Actually most of the bars are still open. 4 of them closed, but no others. There's another 9 or 10 still open. Those ones that are open are not their usual selves, though, for now at least.

It's too early to know what this means for the future. There have been clampdowns before and things reverted back to usual again a while later. This was the most extreme clampdown so far, but the tendency for things like this in this country is for it to be an issue for awhile before it fades away. Not always. Helmet law for motorbikes stuck good. They came out with a new law prohibiting 3 wheeled vehicles (motorbikes that carry loads on the back, or the ones for disabled drivers) , and that one seems to have been completely ignored by police, just not being enforced at all. So we'll see. Too early to know.

About Ba Vi, have you been up there recently? From what I saw, it was less than half as many places as before, I would guess 2/3 have been shut down. I didn't mean that there were fewer than a few years ago, but way fewer than when I was up there just about 3 months ago. On the 2 main side streets that had those massage places, I only saw one place still open on each.

AdHome01

07-23-13, 18:19

A few days ago I spoke with the owner of one of the HBT bars that is still opened. I was told the government is planning on shutting down all the bars on HBT. I didn't hear how or when this was going to happen but the owner said it as a fact. With all the other crackdowns (three raids in the last week) it looks like it will happen sooner than later. I guessing, at some point, these bars will reopen in an area just outside the city center.

Obviously, there is still action to be found, though newbie's and short-timers will have a harder/riskier time of it.

Jvdairlie

08-11-13, 20:52

Does anyone know the name or address of a new bar apparently recently opened on Thi Sach Steet Dist' 1

CrackAddict

08-19-13, 09:53

Does anyone know the name or address of a new bar apparently recently opened on Thi Sach Steet Dist' 1Can't remember the name or the exact address but it is near the Ho Sen Hotel which is on Thi Sach at the intersection of Dong Du. This bar is about 30-40 steps down from the hotel toward Nguyen Sieu on the same side of the street as The Ho Sen. It has a bright neon sign and there was a couple older ladies in the open doorway dressed in nice tight short dresses calling us over. From the brief look through the open door, the bar looked upscale, new and modern but empty when we walked by. The night was young and we intended to check it out later after we got beer goggles but never did. Good luck. Post if you check it out.

KkStar88

08-29-13, 20:56

Actually most of the bars are still open. 4 of them closed, but no others. There's another 9 or 10 still open. Those ones that are open are not their usual selves, though, for now at least.

It's too early to know what this means for the future. There have been clampdowns before and things reverted back to usual again a while later. This was the most extreme clampdown so far, but the tendency for things like this in this country is for it to be an issue for awhile before it fades away. Not always. Helmet law for motorbikes stuck good. They came out with a new law prohibiting 3 wheeled vehicles (motorbikes that carry loads on the back, or the ones for disabled drivers) , and that one seems to have been completely ignored by police, just not being enforced at all. So we'll see. Too early to know.

About Ba Vi, have you been up there recently? From what I saw, it was less than half as many places as before, I would guess 2/3 have been shut down. I didn't mean that there were fewer than a few years ago, but way fewer than when I was up there just about 3 months ago. On the 2 main side streets that had those massage places, I only saw one place still open on each.Hi Wendell,

Will be coming to ho Chinminh on the 22 Sept till 25. 2013. Was wondering. Is there any action for threesome available over there?

Jsxyz

09-21-13, 09:33

Can anyone tell me current prices for in-house fun at the Billiard Bars? I know how much I paid. Just wondering sheepishly how badly I got ripped off! .

There are still plenty of bars open in District 1, BTW, but I am not sure how the quantity and quality of girls compares to previous times. The two bars I dropped into were both very small to begin with, and each had maybe 4-5 ladies (and 0-2 customers). At the first bar no girls above a 6 on my scale, but the second bar there was a voluptuous MILFy-type who seemed shocked when I pointed her out when the mamasan asked me if I wanted any of the girls to sit with me. Shocked though she may have been, she wasn't appreciative enough to give me a good price, but I still had fun. That was on Nguyen Sieu Street, one block up from the Caravan Hotel; I can't remember the name but it's right next-door to El Gaucho restaurant.

Mackin

09-21-13, 10:47

Just a quick report. Left today for better lands. What I can say is some nice pub type food places. Of course the bigger places also. Stopped at Sheraton and Rex. Eight (8) dollars for a coke. I passed. Bar activities I was quoted 120. 00, be back tomorrow. Never made it. Did find one for 60. Absolutely terrible. BJ not even one. Layed there like a rock and didn't like cowgirl. Threw her out.

HCM nice city but terrible unless you have time to develop. Even massage places were no action. Even after I was told I am very handsome, LOL.

Jsxyz

09-25-13, 14:51

I just returned from a week-ish in HCMC, and as on my previous trip a year ago I had a fantastic time. I spent just about every night at Apocalypse and I have to say it's one of my favorite pickup bars anywhere. The vibe is just right for me. Not 100% bar girls but instead a mix of FL and regular folks. The staff is friendly, beer isn't TOO expensive, and they serve food. The quality of ladies is also wonderful. But on weeknights you start to see the same girls over and over again. Weekends though is where you can get lucky and find some non-regulars and some gems. I think I met a total of three companions during the several nights I was there, all of whom were full on GFE, one a bit too much so as I think she became a little smitten with me. She actually kind of ruined my game the next couple of nights I saw her there because she wouldn't leave me alone. She was actually a FANTASTIC lay, a young MILFy type (maybe 38 or so?) from Hanoi, who I took out one night, and then called to my hotel for an afternoon session a couple days later. Again FANTASTIC in the sack, but I was on holiday and wanted to some variety.

Also went to Go2Bar a couple nights after not finding anything to my liking a Apocalypse. One night I got lucky and one of the 3 or 4 FL in the bar was cute and willing (also turned into a night out and a call back to my hotel the next afternoon!) , but the other night it was dead. I actually hate that bar and wouldn't recommend it. Too many scummy drunk white college kids and not enough girls. Plus the music is ridiculously loud and there's no place to escape it (unlike Apocalypse, which is big enough that you can get away from the loud music quite easily).

Prices seem to be creeping up from last year. I believe last year I paid $100 USD *including* hotel for every outing, this year most of the girls asked for $100 plus hotel fee (although the girl from Go2Bar and one girl I met at Apocalypse agreed to $100 all-in). There were a couple girls who even quoted $150 plus hotel, which I don't recall at all last year.

Anyway, wonderful trip, and don't believe there is no fun to be had in HCMC.

Oh, also of note: the demise of the billiard bars seems to either be overstated or they've bounced back; there were plenty open for business in District 1. They're not really my cup of tea, although I did stop into a couple for a beer. I found the quality much lower than Apocalypse, the girls a bit more hard-edged, and the asking prices the same.

Hind31

09-29-13, 05:27

Specific of most of the spots listed here can be found on barsonline hcm, hope saying that is not against forum's rule; if it's the case I apologize.

NAPOLY BAR. MISS SAIGON.

SKY BAR.

BLANCHY'S TASH.

OSCAR CLUB-DISCO.

APOCALYPSE NOW.

LUSH.

Play fair and have funThanks Bro. That was a comprehensive post. I will be in HCMC for a week starting this November. Your report will be damn useful to me.

CarlEarly

10-24-13, 16:34

Hi everyone,

It's been almost a year since my last post, which was a review of the HBT bars. Sucks to hear about the recent raids.

In the past, my hotel was always in District 1. Next month, my company is putting me in a hotel in the Phu My Hung area of District 7. My questions are:

1. If I wanted to go to any of the popular bars / clubs in District 1, approx. How long will it take to get there by taxi (around 11:00pm) from District 7?

2. If I'm only in Vietnam for 3 nights, will I be able to find enough "fun things" to do in District 7 where I may not even need to travel to District 1?

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

BlackStreetGhost

11-04-13, 11:22

Anybody know this 3 star Ky Hoa hotel on 3 Thang 2 street? It's a pretty big, kinda typical state owned local hotel. Once I checked in late, around 10pm, and saw a short, mid-aged Viet guy took 2 gals into the lobby. He talked to the front desk for about 2min and took them upstairs. According to their dressing and makeup, these two gals are definitely working type (and pretty good ones, one gal is 8 to my standards). From my observation, this guy should be a pimp and he probably knows the staff there. But my question is, if a pimp can bring gals into guests room, does it mean that this is a GF hotel? Sorry I never tried, because I only go to HCM on business trips and the tight schedule keeps me from anything fun.

CRLuverGuy

11-05-13, 06:16

Just suggestions nothing in it for me. For tourists, try Benny on dbp and find a girl you like. For about 300k you can enjoy BBBJ and generally cim. If you really like her ask her for number discretely don't be noticed. Make arraignments at your place roughly 1mil about $50. Otherwise tip her an extra 100k and get another girl to come see you and give your number. They always come through for me. Because they also get a cut if they introduce.

I know some sm here don't like the prices here but hey unless they can introduce the girls for me or get them to agree, I say it won't happen. It is what it is with the current pricing structure which is still fractions of what it is in USA. It is not us mongers but other Asian cultures like Korean and Japan biz guys that are raising the prices. Flames will be ignore otherwise I will gladly help when I can. Peace to us all.

Moon Shadow10

02-22-14, 04:13

Does anyone know the name or address of a new bar apparently recently opened on Thi Sach Steet Dist' 1I think that the one you may be looking for is "Pulse Bar" opposite the Aquari Hotel and on the same side as Apocalypse, friend. I recommend it.

D Cups

02-22-14, 15:42

I think that the one you may be looking for is "Pulse Bar" opposite the Aquari Hotel and on the same side as Apocalypse, friend. I recommend it.How does Pulse compare to Apocaplypse? Thanks.

DavePuppy

02-23-14, 19:42

How does Pulse compare to Apocaplypse? Thanks.If it's the pulse I know of they are completely different. Pulse is a small bar with two floors but it's one of those billiards places where you play pool with the girls and if you win they take some clothes off.

StevenLee

02-26-14, 06:38

I will be in HCMC 2 weeks.

Can anybody give me some good advice?

D Cups

02-26-14, 17:23

I will be in HCMC 2 weeks.

Can anybody give me some good advice?Sure, Steve. Read the forum.

FruitNinja

03-28-14, 02:00

Spent a few days. Didn't really do a lot of hunting around as I always enjoy Ben Nys. It's a welcome break from some time in Cebu and Makati. Rest, eat, do a little tourist stuff, hang out with some Viet business types that I met last time. Shit some of the bars there are down right expensive. Get a bottle at Chill Skybar. Not cheap. I did go to Crazy Girl on Bieu Vien, got trashed and ended up going back to my hotel with a stunner. She was the hottest think in the place. A 8. 5 in my book and she would not budge on 100 USD. Again, a fraction of the price in the States.

A side not that I would like feedback on: I'm in the airport and guess what? Theres the girl from Crazy Girl. And she's got another six from the bar with her. All on their way to BKK. I try to chat and get the low down but they are very surprised to see me and not so talkative. What do you guys think? Shopping trip? Working trip? All of them? It's 75% of the bar.

Side note: I love the overall vibe of this city. I spent two days with locals that are pretty well off. What hospitality. I know for a fact that I make a hell of a lot more than they do and they wouldn't let me pay for a thing. I spent the day at one of their apartments at Sapphire Complex. Eat and drink all day and night. Interesting, it was a3 bedroom apartment and they take naps in between drinking. Men and women. I would have liked to sneak into the room with some of the women. Totally hot.

IMHO The women of Vietnam are gorgeous.

Dragonfly22

03-28-14, 11:22

The Eplorer

03-28-14, 12:02

I'm sure these girls were on a work holiday. Next trip probably Singapore. Stayed in a hotel near dist#5 where 2 girls from HaNoi were also staying for a long work weekend. Both were tall, beautiful stunners.Just a group of girls on a shopping trip, who will meet up with their agent in BKK who has organized the venue and accomadation deal.

Then on to Beach bar and maybe Singers. The agent is usually a Viet pimp but with local residency. The girls move from agent to agent.

According to a gal in beach bar they may tour for a month or more, depending on what visas they can get hold of before leaving home.

From what I understand the girls are free agents and actually pay their agents a set amount, I have actually seen this.

So much for the slave trade.

Jsxyz

04-02-14, 20:38

"Report" in quotes because I just drank and checked out the scene, so it's not what I consider a true reconnaissance report. I was in town on business recently and brought my family, so I couldn't really play, but I did sneak out a couple nights to check out Apocalypse Now. I'm happy to report that it's as kicking as ever, and still my favorite WG bar anywhere I've travelled (Beijing, Shanghai, HK, Singapore, plus a few other minor places). I really love the layout and the vibe of the bar, not to mention the available beauties. It seems many are part-timers, often down from Hanoi for a few weeks, which I much prefer to the hardcore working girls (there are definitely a few of them as well, easy to spot if you pay attention. They're usually at tables with bottles and / or food).

Last time I was there last year I met a lovely accountant who was on holiday from Hanoi, working to make a few extra dollars. This time I also met a couple really cute girls on different nights, and I was really sad I couldn't take any out! It's definitely not the cheapest option in the city, but it's far and away my favorite and to me, it's worth the cost as the girls all seem to speak English very well and the quality is a bit better than what I've seen in the smaller billiard bars (though I'm no expert on those. Only been to a few around District 1).

Now I've got to figure out a way to get back for another visit without the family, so I can REALLY enjoy myself! I also agree whole-heartedly with the poster below who comments on the overall vibe of Saigon; it's a great city and if anyone is thinking about a visit but hesitating, don't hesitate just go! (And on the same note, avoid Hanoi. I went there recently on a separate business trip for the first time and absolutely hated it. Completely different vibe from Saigon).

Gajith

06-09-14, 03:22

Stayed in the hotel which is just next to Apocalypse an shown up at 1:20 am. The pub doesn't have much people.

I met a guy there and told me Friday and Saturday were awesome. I guess most of the girls available were hardcore pros and smokers. I met a mama before going to Apo. She offered me 800 k st and I managed to bring it down to 600 k. She bbrought a young 23 year old who is ready for everything. Had a good time; today pick the girl from the same lady.

Gajith

06-09-14, 20:44

That is the birthday of tonight's girl. A great service, I wonder how does these girls know how to fuck at this age? I was jerking on my 23. Paid the same 600 k + 200 tip. BTW, Apocalypse had more people tonight but mostly smokers which are not my type. Tomorrow going to Phnom penh to see my little girl.

Wendella

07-12-14, 17:06

These billiard bars on or near Hai Ba Trung seem to be back closer to their usual selves again. A few were lost with that crackdown last year, namely 37,49 and 51 HBT, but most of the rest are still around.

There's a small bar on Nguyen Sieu street just off HBT, called Nightfall right now (these places are constantly changing names). I stopped in there a few weeks back and there were 2 or 3 young slim hot ones, but the rest ranged from 6's down to as low as the numbers go. Anyway, the girl I met had excellent attitude, we were soon DFK right there at the bar, her idea. And they offer extras on the premises upstairs, the way 29 Dong Khoi always did (does it still? The girls in there are a bit rough for my taste) The last time I poked my head in there I did not see the cute ones, not sure if that meant they're with other customers or they don't work there any more.

One bar that looks like the best for quality girls by far right now is Bin Bin down at the start of Le Thanh Ton not far from the big Sushi Bar (I think that's the real name of the place). I'd be surprised if there's another that can come close. It's not quite to the level of 91 when it was good, but seems to be the best right now at least. And they seem to have the same policy as Nightfall. Yes, the whole enchilada, upstairs.

I haven't checked out the rest in person in a while. It will be interesting to see if 91 bounces back and becomes anything like it used to be. Last time I went a few months ago, it was a pale shadow of its former self. Few girls, none very interesting, and due to the clear windows and bright lighting, you know nothing's going to happen there.

CarlEarly

07-16-14, 16:06

These billiard bars on or near Hai Ba Trung seem to be back closer to their usual selves again. A few were lost with that crackdown last year, namely 37,49 and 51 HBT, but most of the rest are still around.Thanks Wendella for the update. Your posts come at a favorable time as I just booked another business trip back to HCMC for end of July. I'll be sure to check out the HBT scene.

This will be my 3rd adventure to paradise. Thanks to the forum and learning from past mistakes, I feel like a hunting expert in District 1. And once the saigon beer mixes with my jetlag, I feel like LeBron LOL (not because I'm a black baller but because I'm asian and determined). I personally enjoy flying solo at the hostess bars. But I also love picking up locals & tourists at the clubs (ie Lush, Go2 Bar, etc). My last escapade in November was memorable and successful, but of course there's better odds at the clubs when you have a wingman. So if anyone wants to party, let me know!

TomSf

07-17-14, 07:04

Gajith

07-17-14, 11:09

Could someone advise a bar with hip hop dance music with less working girls and some dark corners if ever I would need it (to meet a friend for the first time)

Wendella

07-18-14, 04:29

Wendella,

What is the situation with taking a girl upstairs at the viet bars? Do you have to pay for a private room? If so what is the cost? Is there a bed and can you take your time?I heard the offer but didn't take it. Quoted 2 million for a ST there, total, there would be no bar fine. Keep in mind this was opening offer, and I'm sure it could be negotiated down significantly, probably to something like one point two mil, maybe lower. I did ask about whether there was a bed, answer was no. So I guess it's right on the floor or something. This at Bin Bin. At Nightfall I did get a look at the room upstairs and it was comfy sofas up there. Not big enough to lie down on though. 2-seaters. (love seats, get it?) As for taking your time, you can try to and persist at it, but in my experience in these situations the standard mode for the girl is to get things moving quickly. Always a struggle against that. I know what you mean. All the clothes off in one swift movement (rather than gradually, slowly, sexily), and so on every step of the way.

For take-out, I think bar fines at these places is 500 K now, and someone told me Coconut bar on Thi Sach is up to 800 k, not sure though. That was 2nd hand info. They seem to be now charging for drinks separately, whereas before they used to count your drinks bill toward the barfine. They would say "you buy the girl 6 drinks, can take her out. " (the total number of drinks varied depending on the place, your bargaining skills, etc.).

TomSf

07-18-14, 09:33

I heard the offer but didn't take it. Quoted 2 million for a ST there, total, there would be no bar fine. Keep in mind this was opening offer, and I'm sure it could be negotiated down significantly, probably to something like one point two mil, maybe lower. I did ask about whether there was a bed, answer was no. So I guess it's right on the floor or something. This at Bin Bin. At Nightfall I did get a look at the room upstairs and it was comfy sofas up there. Not big enough to lie down on though. 2-seaters. (love seats, get it?) As for taking your time, you can try to and persist at it, but in my experience in these situations the standard mode for the girl is to get things moving quickly. Always a struggle against that. I know what you mean. All the clothes off in one swift movement (rather than gradually, slowly, sexily), and so on every step of the way.

For take-out, I think bar fines at these places is 500 K now, and someone told me Coconut bar on Thi Sach is up to 800 k, not sure though. That was 2nd hand info. They seem to be now charging for drinks separately, whereas before they used to count your drinks bill toward the barfine. They would say "you buy the girl 6 drinks, can take her out. " (the total number of drinks varied depending on the place, your bargaining skills, etc.).Thanks Wendella, this type of situation where you pay full price and get a quicky which I agree is most likely to happen does not sound great. I was told by a friend that did a trip there outside the city that you get much better service and non of this rush business. If you go farther outside the city which makes sense to me. Doing it in a viet bar upstairs if another customer comes up stairs. I am assuming the Viet girl pulls her pants up and says sorry we have to stop. After the guy already paid. LOL.

Wendella

07-18-14, 18:14

Thanks Wendella, this type of situation where you pay full price and get a quicky which I agree is most likely to happen does not sound great. I was told by a friend that did a trip there outside the city that you get much better service and non of this rush business. If you go farther outside the city which makes sense to me. Doing it in a viet bar upstairs if another customer comes up stairs. I am assuming the Viet girl pulls her pants up and says sorry we have to stop. After the guy already paid. LOL.It's not quite that bad. Asians in general seem to rush things a bit, at least working ones. Actually they would get you a more secluded room and make sure no other customers came in when you were in there. Going outside the city could be fine, but you have to know where to go, and how things work in that place. Friends of mine had really bad experiences trying to use bia oms in Bien Hoa for example. Scammed them on the bill, and got threatening when they tried to bargain them down to just what they actually drank instead of the ridiculously inflated bill they were hitting them with. I'm not saying it's all like that out there, but it's a whole other thing, and not always foreigner-friendly.

Sidtip

07-19-14, 07:51

It's not quite that bad. Asians in general seem to rush things a bit, at least working ones. Actually they would get you a more secluded room and make sure no other customers came in when you were in there. Going outside the city could be fine, but you have to know where to go, and how things work in that place. Friends of mine had really bad experiences trying to use bia oms in Bien Hoa for example. Scammed them on the bill, and got threatening when they tried to bargain them down to just what they actually drank instead of the ridiculously inflated bill they were hitting them with. I'm not saying it's all like that out there, but it's a whole other thing, and not always foreigner-friendly.While it's difficult to fight back when we are scammed by a girl who cuts our time short. There are times when most of us have been heavied.

I was driven to a hotel with girls in the foyer in Saigon about a year ago and was quoted a price for the girl and room by a bunch of males hanging around the foyer. But when I went to pay for the room the receptionist said he didn't have change and would pay me afterwards. Alarm bells! So I said forget it and walked out to my waiting motorbike taxi dude. But I was followed by an angry pimp and his boys who kept asking what the problem was. I told him and all of a sudden the receptionist did have change. I said "no way and that I was not interested in their idiotic games". Finally we agreed I would take the girl back to my hotel but he wanted the cash first. By this time I had got off the motorbike and into a taxi car that had just turned up and the girl was in the back with me ready to come to my hotel. But when I refused to pay upfront the pimp got into the back of the taxi and started yelling, but the more he yelled the worse his English got and I had to tell him to speak slowly and clearly because there was no point yelling if his English was deteriorating. This annoyed him more but he calmed down to speak slowly.

End result was I stuck to my guns, even though it was a dark street and I had no idea where I was, and there were maybe 4 of them. I think these 'heavies' don't really want to take action because it can lead to trouble for them. They had no idea that I didn't even know where the hell I was or how I had gotten there.

It's supposedly different in Beijing and Saigon where there have been 'reports' of people having guns pointed at them after going to a coffee shop with one of those "students" wanting to practice English. But even then I am sure you could simply walk away. In fact I want to try this next time I'm in China but I'll have some friends standing outside waiting for trouble. Then we will see what happens.

Wendella

07-19-14, 16:41

TomSf

07-20-14, 06:58

this website is brutally slow lately. took me a good five minutes to get to this reply post page.

i have to say, people keep misunderstanding what i was saying earlier about vn working girls tending to rush things. its not a scam of cutting time short. there's no question of "forcing them into bed" or doing anything [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)-like. i just mean that they tend to try to rush things at the foreplay part of things, and get straight to the insertion point as soon as possible. not always, but i would say that i don't think i have often hooked up with a working girl who wanted to warm up with kissing and stuff for as long as i wanted to. in western countries we tend to gradually take off clothes, not just immediately remove all of them in one swoop, and do some warming up time before the actual deed. this is what i'm talking about. nothing about scams, not with this at least..wendella,

ok, different countries are different. vietnam woman although they may have some of the hottest asian woman in the world. their service in general sucks. i always say viet woman are rush service on a good day and rob you on a bad day. now saying they are aggressive which i totally understand is right. they want you to cum as fast as possible so they can leave as fast as possible. if you are comparing western non working girls that you did not pay and asian hookers then there is no comparison. regarding service what can make the difference is if you speak the language. i have had chinese girls in china who at first wanted to rush me. but after speaking and trying to drag sex on by speaking in mandarin to them. it absolutely helped and did work. i don't speak vietnamese so for my i just have to pray for good service and judge the girls energy before i take her.

by bien hoa which i assume means the karaoke clubs. of course they raise the rates and try to rob you. i avoid those things because to many people i know including asian were robbed there.

regarding sidtips report about guys wanting him to pay first. if you pay the girl first or worse her pimp first. why on earth would the girl go with you. she has you money. lol. you are in vietnam, not your home country. i think no local would ever do this. getting on a motor bike and following a hooker to some place you don't know is just asking for trouble.

Sidtip

07-20-14, 14:41

this website is brutally slow lately. took me a good five minutes to get to this reply post page.

i have to say, people keep misunderstanding what i was saying earlier about vn working girls tending to rush things. its not a scam of cutting time short. there's no question of "forcing them into bed" or doing anything [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)-like. i just mean that they tend to try to rush things at the foreplay part of things, and get straight to the insertion point as soon as possible. not always, but i would say that i don't think i have often hooked up with a working girl who wanted to warm up with kissing and stuff for as long as i wanted to. in western countries we tend to gradually take off clothes, not just immediately remove all of them in one swoop, and do some warming up time before the actual deed. this is what i'm talking about. nothing about scams, not with this at least. and actually they want to do the nasty as soon as they can, so not sure where 'forcing them into bed' is part of it. they're the ones forcing me to into bed faster than i want to. it's like, hurry up and stick your dick in...i confused you. i was talking about scams like the alcohol bills, not the girls cutting the time short.

i can't blame the girls for trying to cut our time short. i'd do the same. but i hate the scum who come up with massive bills.

in reference to paying upfront, it happens with some of the backstreet alley lineups in singapore. you pay the pimp and take the girl inside and do the deeds. i was reluctant the first time and insisted i pay after we got in the room. the room can be 100 m away or more. and the pimp agreed to follow us. but the next time i paid first and it was all ok.

it's difficult to avoid being scammed no matter what your experience. as long as the amount is not too much it all adds to the fun and memories.

Wendella

07-20-14, 15:20

Getting pages to load on this forum has got so slow it's not worth it. Are others experiencing this?

Sending PM's takes so long now it's not worth it.

Other websites are loading as fast as ever for me, it's just this one.

Wendella

07-20-14, 15:30

This site is SO slow now it's not worth it.

Are others experiencing this?

No other websites are anywhere near this slow for me now, they all load as fast as ever.

But ISG is the slowest now that I have ever seen.

PM's are impossible, it just takes minutes for each page to load, and you are never sure if it is going through or not.

Actually this is my 2nd attempt to post this message up in the forum. The other one just got stuck spinning forever.

Fingers crossed, clicking Upload Report now.

Can someone PM Jackson to let him know how bad this is getting?

Tiger 888

07-21-14, 00:36

Djle7159

07-21-14, 05:28

Its a Vietnam issue. The undersea internet cable is broken once again.

Wendella

07-21-14, 06:41

This must be a Vietnam issue. From Hong Kong it is fast as ever. Try a VPN.Today it seems to be fine. I was trying to clean out my PM inbox and ended up losing some good valuable messages as a result when they timed out when I was moving them.

Welcome back. Things seem to have calmed down here recently.

When cleaning out my old PM's I came across a link that 2 different members had sent me, a website that's in Vietnamese but where there's info about our favorite sport. It's lauxanh. Us but the section for us is anchoi.

If someone's Vietnamese here is good enough, please go have a look and share back if you find any good new spots.

Erasmus B Dragin

07-21-14, 12:36

It's supposedly different in Beijing and Saigon where there have been 'reports' of people having guns pointed at them after going to a coffee shop with one of those "students" wanting to practice English. I'm curious where you ran across such reports. I've lived in BJ for years and, though the notorious tea house scam (& it's variants) is as common as ever, I've never once heard of violence in the act. Indeed, guys who just walk out are never challenged. It would be sheer madness to assault the victim in such a place; the place would be closed down and it's owners and assailants would be put away for years. If a gun was involved a conviction would likely result in the death penalty. China has very strict laws regarding firearms.

Sidtip

07-21-14, 12:50

I'm curious where you ran across such reports. I've lived in BJ for years and, though the notorious tea house scam (& it's variants) is as common as ever, I've never once heard of violence in the act. Indeed, guys who just walk out are never challenged. It would be sheer madness to assault the victim in such a place; the place would be closed down and it's owners and assailants would be put away for years. If a gun was involved a conviction would likely result in the death penalty. China has very strict laws regarding firearms.I can't remember where I read this stuff. I think it might even have been this site. Have a read of the Beijing or Shanghai sections or maybe try googling it. There were firsthand stories from people who said they were seriously heavied. Who knows, but they sounded real. One, from memory, saw the police as they left and they asked him how much he was ripped off and just told him to be careful. These reports were how I learned of the scam and luckily I didn't fall for it. Because within minutes of walking down the street in Beijing I was stopped by a young girl who wanted to practice her English and could we have a coffee blah blah. It was raining and she had an umbrella so I pretended I would go with her so she shared her brolly and we walked down the street. Then at the end of the street I told her I wanted to go to a shop of my choice and she got a bit sniffy and walked off after a few words of Chinese that I didn't understand and a scowl.

I read other posts that this didn't happen in Shanghai which is bullshit because it happened nearly every time I walked down the main street last year.

Vietnam is a more honest country. The girls don't cheat as much. Of course some cut the time short, but generally they are nicer (in my humble opinion).

Ikksman

07-27-14, 06:48

Wendella,

Ok, different countries are different. Vietnam woman although they may have some of the hottest asian woman in the world. Their service in general sucks. I always say viet woman are rush service on a good day and rob you on a bad day. Now saying they are aggressive which I totally understand is right. They want you to cum as fast as possible so they can leave as fast as possible. If you are comparing western non working girls that you did not pay and asian hookers then there is no comparison. Regarding service what can make the difference is if you speak the language. I have had Chinese girls in China who at first wanted to rush me. But after speaking and trying to drag sex on by speaking in mandarin to them. It absolutely helped and did work. I don't speak vietnamese so for my I just have to pray for good service and judge the girls energy before I take her.

By Bien Hoa which I assume means the karaoke clubs. Of course they raise the rates and try to rob you. I avoid those things because to many people I know including asian were robbed there.

Regarding Sidtips report about guys wanting him to pay first. If you pay the girl first or worse her pimp first. Why on earth would the girl go with you. She has you money. LOL. You are in Vietnam, not your home country. I think no local would ever do this. Getting on a motor bike and following a hooker to some place you don't know is just asking for trouble.Tom, when did you visit Vietnam to gain all this experience?

Cheers.

Wendella

07-27-14, 13:54

By Bien Hoa which I assume means the karaoke clubs. Of course they raise the rates and try to rob you. I avoid those things because to many people I know including asian were robbed there.Bien Hoa is the name of a city about an hour north of HCMC.

Ikksman

07-28-14, 11:59

Bien Hoa is the name of a city about an hour north of HCMC.I think Biên Hòa is virtually part of HCM city these days.

Cheers.

Wendella

07-31-14, 04:45

I think Bin Ha is virtually part of HCM city these days.
I guess it's close enough that the HCMC threads are where we should talk about it. There is a whole lot of nothing between HCMC and Bien Hoa, about 45 minutes worth. Not worth the trip, I'll say that much. Good job getting the characters to display correctly.

Wendella

07-31-14, 05:15

i made the rounds at a few places on or near hbt last night.

91 has a decent collection of girls, though nowhere near its former glory days of a couple years ago. they all wear ao dai, the lights are up pretty bright, and it looks like on the main floor at least that there won't be too much shady action. i did see one go upstairs with a customer, and that usually means playing billiards but who knows.

there's a bar on dong du called 2 sister (missing the s). i walked past, the door opened, and this tiny bar had over 20 girls inside, just crazy. i next went across the street to look at another one (had been called apple but not sure what the current name is) and the door opened, one fairly cute girl sat just inside, others were with customers, i'd say 5 or so total.

i went round the corner on hbt and looked in at thien loc on the corner of hbt and mac thi buoi. it looked like there might be 8 or so in there and none that seemed enticing, and most with customers. for a few years this place has had some of the roughest ones in this whole area. but you never know, always worth a quick peek so you are there when things suddenly change.

i decided to go back to 2 sister. tough choice because the one girl in ex-apple looked really good. i just went straight inside and ordered a beer and was presented with a lineup. and this is when it hit me: they should change the name to 20 aunts. average age must be 32. not a single young looker in there. ugh. i made my obligatory choice, and after 5 minutes realized this whole decision was a mistake. as i'm there with my choice, i keep looking around to see if maybe there's another one there who's cuter. there isn't. i paid and left, headed across the street to ex-apple, and in that one now all the girls were with customers, so, time to call it a night.

i would say that bin bin on le thanh ton is the best of these kinds of bars now. nightfall has some decent ones but too few of them in total. i haven't been to coconut or smiley or pulse lately but experience tells me not to hope for much in those. ah and finally, a friend tells me that 29 dong khoi looked really good when he was there around 11 pm one night recently. i went in at 8:30 one evening and it was dreadful, so maybe the cute young ones show up later.

Fast Eddie 48

08-01-14, 22:13

Tom, when did you visit Vietnam to gain all this experience?

Cheers.To Ikksman.

I think the Lurker get all his experience by reading your and other ISG member post, he is right Viet girl service and attuide do sucks only good viet experience I ever got is from beach club in KL.

Fast eddie 48.

DownUnderKeith

08-09-14, 18:24

I just touch down in HCMC and staying at the Asian Ruby Hotel. I take a walk down at this Le Thanh Ton street, and.

Manage to pass by this Bar by the name of Twilight. There is this cutie standing outside the bar, and she said Hello, to me.

I just smile at her and carry on walking. I search through the forum but there is no report about this bar.

I wish to hook on with that cutie but prefer to have more report about this bar before I step in?

So any kind soul able to share a report about the bar?

Mik Hcmc

08-10-14, 11:44

OMG a cute girl actually said Hello to you. And she was standing outside the bar. She must be a working girl.

Do you want us to ask if she likes you?

If she has a bf?

You want us to take you both to a hotel, undress you both and after rolling a rubber down your dick push your hips forward and backwards too?

Mate its a bar, Go there, look around, find a seat and order a drink, Either way nothing is going to happen.

Not all the bars here are girly bars, and not all door girls / greeting girls are working girls.

I just touch down in HCMC and staying at the Asian Ruby Hotel. I take a walk down at this Le Thanh Ton street, and.

Manage to pass by this Bar by the name of Twilight. There is this cutie standing outside the bar, and she said Hello, to me.

I just smile at her and carry on walking. I search through the forum but there is no report about this bar.

I wish to hook on with that cutie but prefer to have more report about this bar before I step in?

So any kind soul able to share a report about the bar?

Wendella

08-10-14, 14:14

Manage to pass by this Bar by the name of Twilight. There is this cutie standing outside the bar, and she said Hello, to me.I haven't been in this bar but have walked past. It is one of the newest bars, and judging by its appearance / setup, I would be very surprised if it wasn't just like the other bars that are mentioned in this thread, ones like 91 and Bin Bin, etc.

BTW, these bars often change their names, so it's worth while to go to the location that's mentioned here such as "Apple" bar on Dong Du, and the same bar may still be there under a new name. Actually that one is still there with a new name. "2 Sister" opposite it used to be called Saigon Ny. "Nightfall" was Princess something or other before. And so on. But this one along with "Pulse" on Thi Sach seem to be totally new ones. Lots have closed though, overall there's fewer than there were before. Like the "Quan Nho" next to Bin Bin, open for 8 years or so, closed recently, gone for good, it's a cafe now.

Go check it out and be the first one to report about it here.

Tiger 888

08-10-14, 14:23

..attuide do sucks only good viet experience I ever got is from beach club in KL.
...Whats does yous means?

JackBauerNice

08-11-14, 08:54

Sidtip

08-13-14, 13:57

OMG a cute girl actually said Hello to you. And she was standing outside the bar. She must be a working girl.

Do you want us to ask if she likes you?

If she has a bf?

You want us to take you both to a hotel, undress you both and after rolling a rubber down your dick push your hips forward and backwards too?

Mate its a bar, Go there, look around, find a seat and order a drink, Either way nothing is going to happen.

Not all the bars here are girly bars, and not all door girls / greeting girls are working girls.Haha. I have not been on this site for a few weeks but I'm flying back tomorrow so thought I would have a look. And (haha) last time it was me who was under attack from Mik. The short shorts, tiny skirts and happy hot smiles are new to us westerners. Back home this would be a surer sign of promising things. But you are correct he should have gone in and explored. A bit of eye contact would have told him everything he wanted to know. Can't wait.

Sidtip

08-13-14, 14:03

Anyone know how long this place stores your bottles for. It was more expensive than the girls. It's been two years since I left one. I might go back for the rest of it this trip.

VietnamAlex

08-21-14, 21:12

It's a billiard bar concept with ladies who is willing to go back to the hotel with you or oblige with an on site BJ or strip tease.

They have a very bad habit of "mis-counting" the ladies drinks and inflating the bill.

We just got back from the bar, and we were very very lucid and clear that we only got each lady 7 cups of drinks each. The bill was inflated to give each lady 14 cups, effectively doubling the bill.

The ladies were also asking us for a new cup of ladies drink every 5 minutes, spoiling the fun for everyone.

The manager got in thugs, and refused to let our group leave until we paid up the full inflated bill, and things got downhill fast.

Beware of this place. Avoid at all cost! The ladies also asked for ridiculous amount of tips for basically doing nothing but sit around asking us for ladies drinks.

Wendella

08-22-14, 04:50

beware of this place. avoid at all cost! the ladies also asked for ridiculous amount of tips for basically doing nothing but sit around asking us for ladies drinks.i think what you are describing is what they would call a "clip joint". i have heard of friends going to this place and not having that same experience, but it doesn't sound like you are making this up. for what it's worth, i've poked my head into this place a few times over the last couple years and have never ever been tempted to go in (in other words, i didn't see anything too tempting inside).

a few weeks back i made the rounds of all the bars in that area and was pleasantly surprised to see some new fresh talent rep001tered around at various bars. bin bin looked quite good especially, but i spotted some good ones at 91, nightfall and the bar on dong du across from 2 sisters.

went around this week to all the same bars and it was a very different story.

there were no hot ones at bin bin or 91 or nightfall. at the other one, and the name is si-no-ba (weird name, i know), i came in and sat down. ordered a beer. a woman came over in very good english, a mamasan / manager, and let me know this place was special, they did everything to take care of the customer, not like the other places, yada yada, for way longer than i was interested in hearing. but she asked if i wanted to sit with a lady. there was one hot one in this place, the rest so so. i asked to sit with that one. she came over and stood a good foot and a half away, and started polite conversation in english. the manager came over and kind of pushed us together more and said we were both shy. her drink arrived and i noticed that it looked like a large-size real cocktail. so i asked, quietly, oh what drink is that? (of course the rest of the places serve half-size coke or something, not a cocktail complete with garnish) gin and tonic she said. oh, how much? "110,000. " hm. anyway, the polite conversation continued. my arm around her waist didn't get taken as a hint to move in any closer. after 10 minutes or so this was feeling like an expensive dead end. i figured wtf, and asked her do ladies at this bar go out? she answered "i don't know" followed by awkward silence. then she added, "many probably do". the message was clear: "but i don't. " or maybe "at least not with you. " excellent. so the entertainment offered here is this polite conversation about where i live and what my job is. i was dressed for business, just had a haircut and shower, so i doubt it was me. i'd say it's just that this place, or at least this girl, isn't as hands-on as most of these places. a beer was 80,000, and the lady drink 110,000, so that's a pretty big step up from the other bars. and for far less service. anyway, yeah, if you can be content with something like that, of having to do a lot of work and spend a lot of money just so maybe the girl will go out, this might be ok. no idea what takeout costs there, but judging by drink prices my guess is that it's higher than others.

oh and on another night, i went to bin bin to seek a girl i'd been with there earlier. she wasn't there. but a few doors up le thanh ton there's another new bar with a cute girl or 2 standing out in front. i made eye contact with one and headed inside. she ushered me in and then headed back out to continue trying to lure customers from the street. i sat down, feeling that if i requested her then everythign would be fine. so i ordered a beer. for the next few minutes girls milled around the bar, everyone ignoring me as i sat alone with my beer. no one made any attempt to sit with me, or even look at me. this is the opposite of what always happens at any bar i go into. finally i called over the manager guy who took my order. i asked him, so is this a bar like the other one (pointing toward bin bin 2 doors down) and he said no, that's a lady bar, this isn't a lady bar. it's just a bar. funny, why do they have cute girls in skimpy dresses (just like the ones they all wear at bin bin and the rest) standing outside and inside? so the gist: no lady is going to come sit with me, and there's no takeout. the only option is to select a lady who would go upstairs and give me a massage. those are 400,000, according to their printed menu. the non-attention in the bar is making me think that the wishful idea of a happy anything upstairs is hope against hope. i mean, if they're deceptive downstairs, not much chance they won't be upstairs. but maybe i'm wrong. maybe someone else here can go in and give this place a try, see what's possible. definitely some cute ones there, a big step up from what bin bin offered that night. but it looks like this place is just trying to pretend to be a lady bar to lure customers in. too bad, because a new spot with some good lookers is so needed down there now.

but the gist of all this: it looks like deception games are taking over in some of these bars. prices are being inflated as they cut way back on what they offer. and cute girls are getting harder and harder to find. i checked out every bar down there over 2 nights, and did not see one single girl who got me excited. the one in sinoba was the closest, and then that ended up being a turn-off. but even her, sometimes i see ones and think, ok she's worth taking out. sometimes it takes awhile to see something in them that makes you want to take them out, or their attitude helps push it over the top, and that's more common, i think. this girl was not in that first category.

D Cups

08-22-14, 15:03

Prices are being inflated as they cut way back on what they offer. And cute girls are getting harder and harder to find. I checked out every bar down there over 2 nights, and did not see one single girl who got me excited. Given these trends I am glad my business trips to Vietnam have concluded. It's more fun in the Philippines. Still, great memories. Regards, W, and all the VN mongers. I will say that some of those Vietnamese girls in the hot tocs are strikingly beautiful albeit difficult to bed.

VietnamAlex

08-22-14, 19:21

I think what you are describing is what they would call a "clip joint". I have heard of friends going to this place and not having that same experience, but it doesn't sound like you are making this up. For what it's worth, I've poked my head into this place a few times over the last couple years and have never ever been tempted to go in (in other words, I didn't see anything too tempting inside).From what I understand after talking to some veterans after my very bad experience at King Coconut on thi sach street, the management was changed recently, and the new managers are asked to inflate the bill of groups, where drinks tend to be more and harder to keep track.

The ex-cashier and ex managers have opened a place down the road near apocalypse. The current manager who is the one running this bill and drink inflation scam is new.

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Wendella

08-23-14, 17:22

man things are just not going well for me in these bars lately.

one night this past week i spotted a cute one sitting in front of one bar, young and new girl. cute but i had a hot one in mind who i knew would be at a different bar. that other one turned out to be a dud and so i headed back to the first bar i saw and looked for the young cute one. not there. ugh. tonight i went back to the same bar early, and again she's not there. grrr.

i headed to an old standby bar, bin bin. (it changed its name to midnight star or something like this recently) there was one i liked there before but she left recently, so i thought i'd see what else they had, it's one bar that replenishes pretty well. nothing great but one there looked good enough. they made me go upstairs to sit down for some reason. ok whatever. anyway, in not too long a time she had her hand on my thing and was pretty much begging me to go boom boom at a hotel or else right there. hm. pretty fast. i told her, too fast. well, she did not take the hint. that was pretty much all she could think of to do, back and forth between stroking mr mister, and asking if we could go do boom boom. we'll call it the "grab and nag". sometimes if you buy them the 2nd drink they up things a notch and things can develop. not this one. same thing again and again. too bad. boring. i had enough of it and paid and left.

pretty disappointed, i headed to 2 sisters, which a few weeks ago was stocked with a fairly old crew, but so many. basically, i was up for some there-in-the-bar attention from some ambitious lass, and that seemed like the best bet. got in there, and there were a couple of relatively young / cute ones. i picked one, and. now listen to this part. she came over, and sat on the stool next to me. as soon as she did that, i knew this was going to totally suck. when they do that, it always sucks. basically they plant themselves on the stool, and the only way to get them off the stool i think would be to insist, and if i have to do that then what's the point. sitting on that stool, you are guaranteed to get zero physical attention, so it's a lost cause. as of now, i'm changing my policy. if a girl comes over and proceeds to sit on the stool next to me, immediately ask for the check and leave. no lady drink. no tip. if you stay, your only options are to sit there and suffer, maybe entertain some false sense of hope for a drink or 2 (ha! good luck), or else immediately say you want to choose another girl, which is going to be awkward and make you look a bit psycho in front of everyone (so girl #2 will think "great, why do i have to get the psycho" and then you are on to your #2 choice who is probably going to be a step down in the looks dept, and who might also suck. nah better at that point to just cut and run. the girl sucks for sure, and you might as well fold and limit your losses. also maybe mamasan takes the hint and trains her girls to not pull that move.

as it was, i naively went 2 drinks with her, thinking she might relent if i got her drink #2. nope. and i don't know why i thought she would, girls who do that never do. i've seen it many times. basically if a girl is not too experienced in the bar and is feeling uncomfortable or awkward, she'll stand a bit apart. and if so, you can warm her up and get closer as time goes on, or else she'll get comfortable and eventually move in. and things can develop nicely in that case. but the move to the stool is only done by a girl with experience, and she's basically doing that to rule out any possibility of anything touchy happening. and you probably can take that girl to a hotel, she would almost surely be up for that, and in the room she would be terrible. she would want you to pay first before the deed. she would probably try to make phone calls. she would not want to kiss. she would try to speed up the performance, whipping all her clothes off immediately and asking you to hurry up and put it in, and get it over with asap.

yeah these bars are pretty bad lately.

Geneva Guy

08-26-14, 01:55

Guys,

My VN GF oversees these ladies called "PGs" or Promotion Girls. They work for the different beer distributors in many bars in many of the Districts in HCMC. These girls are hot. Their job is to get guys to buy beer, thus, they are "promoting" the beer brand.

My VN GF who manages these girls tells me that the girls are often happy to go with foreign men. You have to schmooze them a bit (that is sweeten them up, chat them uup, etc.).

She tells me that the girls are found in many bars around HCMC, she has worked in D1 and D10 where the bars had PGs.

Just a tip, you guys may know more about this already. As for my GF, hehehe. I like fucking the management. LOL.

Enjoy,

GG

Wendella

08-30-14, 16:25

I stopped in at 91 this past week. The quality of girls in that place seems to be edging back up, though nowhere near the levels it had been about 2 years ago or earlier, when you could almost count on finding 2 or more genuine stunners in there, and almost all the rest more than acceptable.

Seating in this place has switched to big chairs with big arms on them. Lights kept up pretty bright. The girls all wear ao dai there, which have neck-high collars on them, long sleeves and long pants. So if you pick a girl to with with, it's pretty tame. You sit in your chair, she sits in hers, and you talk about interesting subjects like where you live, where she lives, how many brothers and sisters she has, etc etc.

So I went in and was asked to pick a girl. I did that. She came over and almost immediately invited me to come upstairs to play billiards. Seeing how this main floor atmosphere was going to allow absolutely nothing in the way of "entertainment" I agreed. We got upstairs, it was totally empty except for 2 billiard tables, one large and one small. Billiards is my absolute least favorite thing to do in these bars. Games go on for what seems like forever, and girls generally don't cuddle or do anything especially sexy during a game.

Well this one made an offer of a bet. If I win she will take off her clothes (which she said soon after meant just her top, not her bottom), and if she wins I have to pay her 300,000. I had heard about this deal from others on the forum, and years ago got offered it often, though never from one I thought was worth it. This one was cute. But I've heard that they will cheat on these bets one way or another. I always thought if I got offered this game, I would respond saying, "How about this, no bet. If you take off your clothes, I'll give you 200,000 (300 seemed a bit high to me). This seemed to short-circuit her and she kept explaining her bet to me again and again as if I hadn't understood. I told her, yeah I understand. No. But you can get the money and I can get to see, everybody wins. She said, OK. Then she said so you want to play? What the hell I thought, why not. So we played. I soon got a to where I had one ball plus the 8 left to sink, she still had 4 to go. As the game went on, I totally missed my ball not once but twice, which gave her an extra shot. A bit weird, she placed the ball where ever she wanted on the table, like right behind the ball she was trying to knock in rather down the opposite end. Never saw that before. I'm not much of a billiard player, as some of you can surely tell. Well, soon she was caught up almost, with all her extra shots, and I had just the 8 to go. I had a tough angle on it and hit the cue ball toward it, and the cue ball just curved off to the side and totally missed it. I was looking right down my stick and the curve on my ball was weird. It was a close shot too. The other 2 shots seemed like a result of my carelessness, I didn't care if I won or lost so wasn't trying very hard. Anyway, she got 2 shots again and took advantage of it. She won.

So we headed over to our chairs, which like the ones downstairs had big arms on them. And now she's asking me to pay up. But not as if I'm paying for her to now take off her top, but pay up as in I lost the bet. WTF. I told her, no, we didn't bet, I told you I didn't want to bet. She said I must have misunderstood. It was clear that the only thing that was going to happen here was me paying, that her top absolutely was not coming off. The mood had been very good during the game, and I was horny, and still figured there would be some fun to be salvaged from this, so I shrugged it off and started talking to her. But these separated chairs were basically blocking any coziness. We made small talk for awhile, running out of things to say. She mentioned the possibility of going to a hotel, and I'm thinking, why would I want to do that with a girl sitting way over there in a chair who's doing absolutely nothing at all to get me in the mood? So she was saying she wanted to be sure I enjoy and feel happy (note on that later). So I said yes ok, and patted my lap as if to say, so come sit over here. "No I stay here, I'm shy" she said. Shy? A few minutes ago you were making a bet to take off your clothes, now you're shy? So at this moment it hit me, this girl is the scammer type. She's not going to give ANYTHING in this encounter, for her this is a challenge to see how much money she can get while giving up as little as possible, and absolutely nothing if she can do that. And so far that's what it is.

So my head spun a bit with that "shy" statement, and I just said "OK, check please" I insisted we just go downstairs now to settle the bill. I wanted out of there as soon as possible. After getting my change, she was asking me for her tip. Told her "you got your tip upstairs, I paid you money already. " Not acceptable to her. Well, sorry.

I've never refused a tip before in any of these bars, but with this one the thought of handing her yet more money for being a pure tease was just too much.

So back to her comment about "we want you to enjoy and be happy". Well, a few nights before that I was at that Sino-Ba and the mamasan there was going on and on saying pretty much the same thing. I thought it's interesting that in these 2 bars where the girl was not going to allow any kind of touching or contact or warmth at all, that their spiel in both was how the customer's happiness and enjoyment is so important to them. In reality, they are making sure that the customer can not enjoy their time there and feels dissatisfied and taken advantage of. In bars where the girls actually do make you feel good, they never bother saying stupid crap like that. In bars that suck, they make sure to say it. Red flag.

Wendella

09-04-14, 16:33

91 seems to be history. A night or 2 after the night of my previous report I noticed it closing very early, maybe 10 pm or so. Lights were bright and girls heading out the door. One night after that this past week I saw it totally closed up in the evening.

Tonight I walked past and looked in, it's being gutted. The bar was removed, no furniture inside, bare brick walls. Basically everything that was in there is gone now. Looks like it is 91 no more.

It was once a great bar for girls.

OzzieSuds

09-07-14, 00:52

To Ikksman.

I think the Lurker get all his experience by reading your and other ISG member post, he is right Viet girl service and attuide do sucks only good viet experience I ever got is from beach club in KL.

Fast eddie 48.

Probably the wrong place for this discussion but I have generally found the Viet gals in places like Singapore and Malaysia to be pretty sharp on the game and the service is pretty mechanical and rushed. But there have always been the giveaway signs of jewellery, makeup and tattooos. The only good experience was a skinny gal from Hanoi in Beach Club (KL) who did not see the need for underwear.

On the other hand the SYT that you find in shops, restaurants and hair places in D1 have none of these traits and they are happy to give of themselves to sample a life a bit better than theirs.

And there has also been more discussion about hotels. The 3,4 and 5 star hotels all have some sort of government JV going and they stick to the rules. You can generally take a gal up during the day but rarely in the evening and never after 9 pm. The only exception might be the Renaissance which has a 2nd floor access to/from the Casino and Karaoke. But those girls are up themselves and not worth it anyways.

Let me state it clearly. Every one of the one room wide hotels is GF. The contrast is clear on Mac Thi Boui - the Bach Dang is wider and will not let them stay overnight yet the old Kim Long opposite (now tarted up as Saigon River Hotel is GF as is the Business hotel down the road. I am not sure about ones like the A & Em on Thi Sach as that chain is reputed to be GF but that hotel does not meet my criteria.

AmericanThief

09-12-14, 14:26

Went to Apoco Now last Friday. First time there actually. Lots of good looking freelancers, hardcore, cold, asking $100 short time. Felt risky, suspect bad service.

Better to stick with bar girls. Accountability so they perform much better.

Some recent bangers:

FrenchiVietnam

10-18-14, 09:15

Looks like a few places have again been raided by the police lately. I know about Sinobar on Thisach and I've been told about at least 2 more places downtown.

Wendella

10-18-14, 17:26

Looks like a few places have again been raided by the police lately. I know about Sinobar on Thisach and I've been told about at least 2 more places downtown.Sinoba is on Dong Du. Pulse is on Thi Sach. (both are pretty lousy, I would say) Would be curious to know which bars got hit, and if it's the same kind of raid that the 37,49 and 51 bars had last year (shut down permanently with arrests made).

I haven't been down there in awhile. Last time I was, maybe 2 weeks ago, 91 was under renovation to become what looks like maybe a normal restaurant. Not sure.

FrenchiVietnam

10-19-14, 08:44

Ya I got confused with the names. Sinobar was the one right next to the Ciao Bella restaurant and apparently it will not open again, same with 2 sisters bar just on the other side of the street. I'm not sure about pulse, would be a shame that it closes for good too, I've seen BJ performed on the ground floor there and the action was quite wild at times, some other times it was completely dead. I've been told when the police raid those type of places they "stamp" the ID of any girl working there and after the second stamp they are facing jail charges.

CRLuverGuy

10-20-14, 04:21

Just curious for latest ranking of bars to try during daytime? And eves?

Wendella

10-23-14, 05:34

Just curious for latest ranking of bars to try during daytime? And eves?Nearly all would be closed day time. The only one I know that used to be open afternoons was Thien Lic in corner if HBT and Mac Thi Buoi.

I drove around, and Si-No-Ba, Two Sisters on Dong Du both look permanently closed. Pulse on Thi Sach also did.

Still open: nightfall, 29 dong Khoi, king coconut, Thien Loc. Didn't check Bin Bin.

FrenchiVietnam

10-23-14, 06:47

Binbin is still open (it changed names recently, now its moon-something I can't remember exactly) I was there the other day with a friend. The usual, he got a BJ upstairs for 1 M and I got a BJ+bang upstairs for 1. 5 M. My girl was pretty nice, took her number. I have a couple numbers from this bar that sometimes come in handful when I go out at other places but it turns out I won't score anything but still am in the mood for a quick bang before going home. A few girls working there used to work in the numbered bars on HBT, and some of them sometimes make trip to Singapore for a few weeks, apparently they get paid a lot better over there. Also the bartender guy at Binbin tried to charge us 10 lady drinks that then became 6 and then 4, plus obv 20 k for the peanuts nobody ordered. He insulted us in Vietnamese when we stood our ground a little bit but it was funny how the girls quickly agreed with us (at first they didn't say anything and tried to let the guy deal with the situation) that we offered them just 2 drinks each while he was still arguing we got them more than that. I don't mind overpaying a little bit for half decent pussy but I hate when the managers so obviously try to rip you off like that.

Thien loc and 29 dong khoi are still open, haven't been there in a long time though. Nightfall is still open, but girl selection has been very poor lately. Which one is king coconut? Also there is one just 10 meters down former 2 sisters but not really worth going in, unattractive birds asking 100 $+20 $ barfine for a quickie.

There are also 2 more on LE thanh ton after former Binbin (one is former "models" which I think also changed names recently, and am not talking about "twilight" which is a complete crap bar), but not quite the same type of bar, I haven't been myself but I've been told you cannot get any action inside the bar except for some rubbing / fingering and girls are "available" for takeout only after they finish their shift at 2 am.

Wendella

10-24-14, 00:24

There are also 2 more on LE thanh ton after former Binbin (one is former "models" which I think also changed names recently, and am not talking about "twilight" which is a complete crap bar), but not quite the same type of bar, I haven't been myself but I've been told you cannot get any action inside the bar except for some rubbing / fingering and girls are "available" for takeout only after they finish their shift at 2 am.I noticed the one down from former 2 sisters, and took a look inside. At the door were some old ones, they said in the back is full of girls. I went in, walked toward the back, and there was ONE girl in the back and she was old and unattractive. Hard to believe they would open up a whole new bar with a complete lineup of old unattractive girls.

Up a couple doors from Bin Bin is this place, it always has a girl out front who's fairly attractive to beckon in customers. The front is divided, one side has a bar, the other stairs leading to a massage upstairs. I went to the bar. I sat down at a table, and though there were about 6 girls in the place including the attractive one out front, none made any move to sit with me. The one male manager also ignored me. I guess the whole point of the bar is to lure in customers for one single drink before they realize nothing is happening in this place. The place is definitely trying its best to LOOK like a Bin Bin type bar, but then once inside you get to find out it's not. They do have massage upstairs, but I have no idea what that's about and given the way they treat customers in the bar, not much reason to expect much.

BIn Bin, I was there with a girl once in a few weeks ago, she was insisting on 2 million for upstairs. Way too much. While her persuasion style was purely "let's go hotel" (repeat 100 times) and zero percent anything like rubbing or kissing or touching or physical affection, eventually I was a bit turned on by her and considering doing it but not for that much. She refused to budge and I just started getting annoyed. After maybe 20 minutes of this, me ready to pay and go, finally she said OK one point five million for upstairs. Great, would have closed the deal 15 minutes ago but too late now, I'm not in the mood any more. A few weeks before this I was with another one there who just did the "we go hotel" chant and couldn't think of a single other thing to do to get me in the mood. Hopefully I was just unlucky and this is not a new trend for Bin Bin. Polar opposite of a bar like 29.

MileHigh303

12-25-14, 01:49

I was on youtube saw some pool club. Are there WGs there?

Wendella

12-25-14, 09:27

Binbin is still open King Coconut is on Thi Sach just off of LE Thanh Ton near a couple of the Japanese bars and a legit massage place. It's known to be the most aggressive bar out there in terms of squeezing cash out of customers, padding bills, etc and also forwardness of the girls.

One you missed was Smiley bar, on Thai Van Lung up a ways from Apocalypse Now.

The one on the street where 2 Sisters was located (recently closed) (that's Dong Du street) was awful the 2 times I poked my head in. Old girls who should be retired from that business.

Bin Bin changed its name and I also can't remember what it's called now. Midnight something, I think. Girl quality has been down there for awhile, which is true for all these bars. Sometimes a clampdown with a few bars results in the cute ones all being filtered down to fewer bars, so better quality in fewer places, no need to go around to many bars in hopes of finding a good one. Not this time. Seems to have had the opposite effect and chased away all the cute ones, and I do mean all. I"m not seeing any over a 6 these days, in any bar.

There is a massage place just a couple doors up from Bin Bin. Ground floor is a bar which is not of the type we are talking about (found out the hard way, by having a drink there, taking one for the team). But upstairs is massage and they have some very cute girls. Much nicer than in any of these bars we are talking about. Can someone here be our Guinea pig and see what goes with this? I think a massage is 300 or 400, which is already on the high end. If it's just a high priced HJ with very limited flexibility for the customer, then this is a dead end. Most places in this area are Japanese-oriented, so it could be that. If that were the case for this place, hugely overpriced would be expected.

Just occurred to me, why no clampdown on the Japanese places? The westerner-oriented bars have been nearly wiped out, while the Japanese ones are more numerous than ever.

Wendella

12-25-14, 09:31

I was on youtube saw some pool club. Are there WGs there?I assume you mean billiards, and not swimming pool clubs. When you are not high, come back and post the link so we can see which kind of place you are looking at. Some types of billiard bars have takeout, and others don't. And there's actually a swimming pool I know of that has WG's hanging out sometimes, and probably available. Only way for people here to know which type is if we can see it.

Wendella

12-25-14, 09:34

I was on youtube saw some pool club. Are there WGs there?Forgot to mention: if it's a billiard bar you saw on youtube, and it had girls in sexy outfits, there's a good chance it was one of the many that were shut down in the past year.

AmericanThief

01-01-15, 12:53

Just occurred to me, why no clampdown on the Japanese places? The westerner-oriented bars have been nearly wiped out, while the Japanese ones are more numerous than ever.The Japanese are building the subway. They also keep a low profile, and spend a lot of money and have connections.

And you know how most Anglos are in this country.

The Pro

01-14-15, 08:08

King Coconut is on Thi Sach just off of LE Thanh Ton near a couple of the Japanese bars and a legit massage place. It's known to be the most aggressive bar out there in terms of squeezing cash out of customers, padding bills, etc and also forwardness of the girls.

One you missed was Smiley bar, on Thai Van Lung up a ways from Apocalypse Now.

The one on the street where 2 Sisters was located (recently closed) (that's Dong Du street) was awful the 2 times I poked my head in. Old girls who should be retired from that business.

Bin Bin changed its name and I also can't remember what it's called now. Midnight something, I think. Girl quality has been down there for awhile, which is true for all these bars. Sometimes a clampdown with a few bars results in the cute ones all being filtered down to fewer bars, so better quality in fewer places, no need to go around to many bars in hopes of finding a good one. Not this time. Seems to have had the opposite effect and chased away all the cute ones, and I do mean all. I"m not seeing any over a 6 these days, in any bar...Smiley Bar and King Coconut are run by the same lady.

There is Miss Saigon bar, which is the Japanese quadrangle just up from Smiley Bar.

Plenty of girls using WeChat, but be careful of those who are offering massage in their profiles or who seem too forward, lots of pimps use WeChat to find customers for their girls. Always do a VDO call on WeChat, if they refuse then you know its a pimp.

As a rule of thumb in District 1, for the massage places, FS when offered is 500 K tip, BJ is 200 K tip. Some of the places the girls will start at 1 M for a BJ / HJ and negotiate down to 500 K but that's far too much. There are plenty of places where 500 K for FS is OK. Around the main roads in D1 the girls always try to get higher prices, so its worthwhile going down the backstreets and trying places away from main roads. Where possible always use the places where girls are hanging around outside. These are more likely to have happy endings. Where no girl / girls are outside these are more likely to be proper spa where special is not offered.

HCM is certainly not as good as it used to be on the bar front. The loss of all the number bars on HBT is a blow to the fun of the place. But its still fun, just needs more effort now in finding good massage places or finding horny girls on WeChat or Zalo (Zalo is a local Vietnamese version of messaging, like WeChat).

Sean EZ

02-01-15, 16:41

Are there any large dance clubs in Saigon? Googling it doesn't seem to help. Any websites like or similar to 1000 bars the one in Jakarta? Thanks.

ChelseaBill

02-08-15, 15:13

AmericanThief,

I have just received an initial job offer from the Nips to come and bail them out of the sh*t on the subway. I anticipate leaving the dusts of Abu Dhabi in a month or two.

I'm looking forward to 'exploring' Saigon. I spent a week last year assisting the Nips in Hanoi, lived in BKK for 6 yrs. But never patrolled Saigon!

I'll let you know what and where the (not so) honourably Nips do and go.

Kindest regards,

Bill.

The Japanese are building the subway. They also keep a low profile, and spend a lot of money and have connections.

And you know how most Anglos are in this country.

Jsxyz

02-08-15, 18:41

AmericanThief,

I have just received an initial job offer from the Nips to come and bail them out of the sh*t on the subway. I anticipate leaving the dusts of Abu Dhabi in a month or two.

I'm looking forward to 'exploring' Saigon. I spent a week last year assisting the Nips in Hanoi, lived in BKK for 6 yrs. But never patrolled Saigon!

I'll let you know what and where the (not so) honourably Nips do and go.

Kindest regards,

Bill."Nips"? Really? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume benevolent ignorance, but that's an extremely racist term.

ChelseaBill

02-12-15, 14:34

"Nips"? Really? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume benevolent ignornance, but that's an extremely racist term in US English on par with "n%gger".Jsxyz. Nips short for Nippon. No malicious intent. But please don't be so pompous or pretentious. Maybe only racists have their radar on alert for anything to cry foul over. Not everyone has succumbed to the social engineering that has the West by the balls. Ie. Get over it.

Neurosynth

02-12-15, 14:43

Jsxyz. Nips short for Nippon. No malicious intent. But please don't be so pompous or pretentious. Maybe only racists have their radar on alert for anything to cry foul over. Not everyone has succumbed to the social engineering that has the West by the balls. Ie. Get over it.I'll believe that you believe that the term "nips" isn't racist when you repeatedly use the term to their face.

AmericanThief

02-16-15, 14:03

So I discovered this girl a few months back at a bar on BV. She is smoking hot and only 20 years old. I asked her about ST and she wanted to bring her friend. I'm no into buckteeth girls so I declined and opted to get drunk. Expensive but she does a good job at hosting.

No I'm off for TET and decided to go back and have a go with her. I ate some Kama gel, and damn that shit works fast. I think I peaked before leaving home. Anyway, I get to the bar early to make sure she's available, buy her a drink and off to the hotel.

Oh, she wanted the money up front. Big bright red flag. Any girl asking for money upfront is a set up. So my gut tells me to forget it, and bail out now. This girl is a scammer, but when I tell her I no longer want to go ST she says just the hotel money now.

"I buy hotel for you. " Was it a misunderstanding or was she trying to save this deal? I'll never know.

At the hotel before we even shower she tries to butter me up with all this darling talk and saying how she's working through TET and wants to see me everyday. Bullshit. I undress to shower and she starts complaining right away about my size.

This goes on while I shower and she showers. Slow slow, you so big bull shit. I get a BBBJ from her, not so good. Condom on and some lub on the vagina and I'm in. Slow slow, oh too big big she continues to complain. Her boobs are a lot smaller than I expected too.

Still has nice white skin and very slim so its not bad but not great. She rushes me, I have to repeatedly tell her to shut up and fuck me. All in all I'll never barfine her again. Now I know. I fucked a hottie, but wasn't worth it. 1. 3 million to her and 740,000 to the bar for BF and drinks. So a $100 in all. Terrible deal.

I don't know why I get an error message upload of file failed. The best shots of her outside walking won't load.

Uncle Volodya

02-16-15, 15:40

I don't know why I get an error message upload of file failed. The best shots of her outside walking won't load.Thanks for the report bro. Your pics probably won't upload because they are too big. Try resizing them.

I'd be very interesting in seeing them as I will be in HCM in May for a first time trip.

Good luck!

You-V.

AmericanThief

02-16-15, 18:44

Uncle Volodya

02-16-15, 23:49

Living in Asia about ten years and I've experienced a lot of racists ignorant shit myself. Always reminded that I'm a foreigner, far ang, waygooki, gaijin by the natives, So I don't care what you call the Japanese people. This isn't like back home.

Having said that Vietnam is the only country in Asia where I feel like I'm accepted. The other countries I was reminded everyday through micro aggressions that I am a foreigner, so this is one of the very few things I like about Vietnam. But lets not turn this thread into a racial debate. Get back to the girls.

I hit up voodoo, chilis, Ikandy and wonder bar tonight. Pretty fucking boring unless you just want to drink and speak english with staff otherwise no love. I do enjoy seeing the Desparado girls and tonight she was working alone and looked like a newbie so my buds and I threw some negs around her and had a little fun. The girls at 159 look bored but I didn't go inside. Tired.

Oh here is that girl from my earlier post from behind you can really see her sexy body.Thanks for the pic man. Bod is damn fine. Sorry to hear she was a dud in the sack, though.

I hope to be hanging out with a girl I met working the bars in Shanghai and does the SE Asia route: Shanghai, Singapore, HK. She's nor sure she will be in town during my trip. I think she is just trying to get me to promise her money. Fair enough. I am thinking of offering her 700 USD to spend the week with me. We hit it off pretty well while I was in Shanghai and I took her 3 different times, 2ST and 2 LT. Do you think she'll go for it?

JD468

02-17-15, 03:57

I am thinking of offering her 700 USD to spend the week with me. We hit it off pretty well while I was in Shanghai and I took her 3 different times, 2ST and 2 LT. Do you think she'll go for it?That is 15,000,000 VND, she should be ripping your hand off for that kind of money in Saigon.

Last week I took a bird ST from Apo, she flew in from Shanghai that evening (she still had her passport and Yuan on her). I offered her 1,200,000 and we did ST at her place, which was quite good. Now I am sure that she would have barked at $55 USD in Manhattan bar in Shanghai only 24 hours earlier, but I think these girls know that they will never get the kind of cash in HCM as they command in Singapore or Shanghai. So don't worry that $700 is low balling her, she may pout for 1 minute if she thinks she can squeeze more out of you but I guarantee you that she will not decline.

AmericanThief

02-17-15, 07:31

I am thinking of offering her 700 USD to spend the week with me. Yeah, I think she will take it. Its more than generous. That's more than some guys pay for one month. This is up to you and what you're after. Since you know her already.

In my experience working girls here don't do LT. They do overnight and dart out the door at sunrise. However, non pros will do LT. They call it "taking care". Another member just did this. I think he paid like $600 and now she's his girlfriend, which is sort of what he wanted anyway. I'm sure she will continue asking for money, and that's up to him, but don't be too surprised if she becomes aloof or maybe tries to renegotiate. She might not want to spend every minute with your for one whole week, or her mother will suddenly get sick and she'll need money to buy medicine and have to go back to her hometown ASAP.

Having said that, if you're planning on staying in nice hotels and traveling around a lot and offer to pick up all expenses then those perks could influence her.

If she doesn't go for it you'll have no problem finding company. You could have 2 sessions a day on that budget, I'm just saying an afternoon BJ and an evening FS if things don't work out for the same amount.

Uncle Volodya

02-17-15, 11:29

Yeah, I think she will take it. Its more than generous. That's more than some guys pay for one month. This is up to you and what you're after. Since you know her already.

In my experience working girls here don't do LT. They do overnight and dart out the door at sunrise. However, non pros will do LT. They call it "taking care". Another member just did this. I think he paid like $600 and now she's his girlfriend, which is sort of what he wanted anyway. I'm sure she will continue asking for money, and that's up to him, but don't be too surprised if she becomes aloof or maybe tries to renegotiate. She might not want to spend every minute with your for one whole week, or her mother will suddenly get sick and she'll need money to buy medicine and have to go back to her hometown ASAP.

Having said that, if you're planning on staying in nice hotels and traveling around a lot and offer to pick up all expenses then those perks could influence her.

If she doesn't go for it you'll have no problem finding company. You could have 2 sessions a day on that budget, I'm just saying an afternoon BJ and an evening FS if things don't work out for the same amount.Thanks for you reply man.

She was asking for about $150ST and $300 LT in Shanghai. That's the going rate for VN girls at the bars there. So $700 is a discount. But hopefully she'll go for it.

AmericanThief

02-18-15, 06:09

Thanks for you reply man.

She was asking for about $150ST and $300 LT in Shanghai. That's the going rate for VN girls at the bars there.This is why the real lookers, the hotties, the most attractive Vietnamese girls can't be found. They all go abroad to work. So if you want a real hot vietnamese girl, go to Singapore, Shanghai or Macau. Here in vietnam I get the left over Mekong Delta girls.

Ran into more fake booze last night. Fake Jack Daniels at 159. Talked to the owner and he got me a real bottle. Cheers to him as he didn't know, or did he? Happy New Year of the horned animal!

Jsxyz

02-18-15, 22:45

Wendella

02-22-15, 08:05

I've always wondered about the upscale bars in D1, in the area around the Bitexco Tower, in particular what's with all the hotties dressed in uniforms? I'm not talking about billiard bars, there don't seem to be many of them left in D1 anyway. But the nice bars, definitely more upscale than the billiard bars. Are the girls available for take-out? I've only been in those places a couple times during the day on past visits, and I barely got even a nod from any of the girls. On a recent trip I stopped in for a beer with a (female) Vietnamese friend after dinner, and she claims they're "working", but I really didn't get that vibe. Seemed more like the bar girls at Maggie's in Beijing to me. Just there to flirt and get you to buy more drinks.

Any local experts have intel?I am absolutely not an expert on these places, and I thought someone else here would have chirped in by now about them. Girls in these places are not available for take-out, are not working girls. Normally. But of course if you work on it a bit, you may unearth one who is up for that, it's just that it will be a lucky find, and it's a bit messy trying to figure out does she or doesn't she. I mean, how do you discreetly ask a girl if she's a working girl. And then once you do that and the answer is No, well, you know she's going to blab that to everyone she works with, and then how will that affect your image in that place.

And hey if you or anyone has good ideas how to handle that conundrum, I'm all ears. There are so many times I see girls in places like those or in cafes where I wish there was a good way to find out if they're working or not.

Wendella

02-22-15, 08:09

On a recent trip I stopped in for a beer with a (female) Vietnamese friend after dinner, and she claims they're "working", but I really didn't get that vibe. Keep in mind, most people here think swimming and playing basketball makes you taller, and that change in weather causes illnesses. Not bacteria or viruses, change in weather. Pseudo-wisdom abounds here.

I just remembered another popular wisdom gem: children shouldn't wear helmets while on motorbikes because it will stop their heads from growing.

Ask your Vietnamese friend about some of these.

Strong Bad

02-22-15, 12:15

It's probably because those girls Main job is to work at the bar rather than go with clients. Also Vietnam has a low cost of living, so often these girls can live on the wage of working at the bar. If they do go with a client it might be once a month, and the money they make is enough to pay for their living cost. These girls will eventually get married so they also want to protect their dignity for their future husbands.

I am absolutely not an expert on these places, and I thought someone else here would have chirped in by now about them. Girls in these places are not available for take-out, are not working girls. Normally. But of course if you work on it a bit, you may unearth one who is up for that, it's just that it will be a lucky find, and it's a bit messy trying to figure out does she or doesn't she. I mean, how do you discreetly ask a girl if she's a working girl. And then once you do that and the answer is No, well, you know she's going to blab that to everyone she works with, and then how will that affect your image in that place.

And hey if you or anyone has good ideas how to handle that conundrum, I'm all ears. There are so many times I see girls in places like those or in cafes where I wish there was a good way to find out if they're working or not.

AmericanThief

02-22-15, 13:33

Jsxyz

02-22-15, 19:25

They are working, as in that's their job like a waitress / hostess. I don't even know any bars around Bixteco except Hogs Breath and they just have beer girls there. Are you sure about the location? Maybe you were near Citi Tower where the hostess bars are?Yeah I mean Bitexco. There are tons of bars in those few square blocks, from sports bars to the "hostess" bars I'm talking about. I even found a really nice lounge-type bar right next door to the bar I was drinking in with my friend which prompted the question. I don't remember the name of the bar with the girls, but for reference the lounge next door is called Shrine, http://shrinebarsaigon.com/..

Jsxyz

02-22-15, 19:27

I am absolutely not an expert on these places, and I thought someone else here would have chirped in by now about them. Girls in these places are not available for take-out, are not working girls. Normally. But of course if you work on it a bit, you may unearth one who is up for that, it's just that it will be a lucky find, and it's a bit messy trying to figure out does she or doesn't she. I mean, how do you discreetly ask a girl if she's a working girl. And then once you do that and the answer is No, well, you know she's going to blab that to everyone she works with, and then how will that affect your image in that place.

And hey if you or anyone has good ideas how to handle that conundrum, I'm all ears. There are so many times I see girls in places like those or in cafes where I wish there was a good way to find out if they're working or not.Thanks, that's kinda what I figured, definitely the vibe I got too.

Wendella

02-23-15, 07:14

They are working, as in that's their job like a waitress / hostess. I don't even know any bars around Bixteco except Hogs Breath and they just have beer girls there. Are you sure about the location? Maybe you were near Citi Tower where the hostess bars are?I'm pretty sure that he's talking about those hostess bars yes, like number 5, Kim's, chili bar, wonder bar, the office, and so on. There's a few locations where they're clustered. Behind Citi is one, like you said. Pasteur near ham Nghi is another. And also near bitexco, maybe more spots too. I don't go to them, but I know a group of guys who go make the rounds at them every week.

AmericanThief

02-23-15, 07:41

The girls at Voodoo do "blow jobs" right at the bar. . No tip necessary..ho ho ho

SoloTravels

02-23-15, 22:24

Napoly is nice.

You'll have to go in the back and up the stairs, a lot of expats come here. The girls are comparable to Catwalk.

Catwalk is also nice, never get the karaoke rooms its a ripoff.

Spent over $1,000 in the karaoke room when I could have had just at much fun at the bar below for less than half that.

Yella Man

03-06-15, 13:10

Go2 Bar in District 1 does not start to pickup until after midnight, maybe even closer to 1 AM. It's pretty easy to spot the working girls because they make more eye contact with you then an optometrist during an eye exam. Some of them looked a little old in the tooth even in the very dim lighting. The place was pretty well packed by 3 AM. I nice spinner named Tina walked in around that time and it was love at first sight. After talking her down from 2 Million to 1. 5, we were off to get some noodles, and then on to my hotel so she could get the bonus noodle. She was a hellcat in bed and well worth the time and dong, and she stayed until noon which I didn't expect. I will probably partake again. Happy hunting!

YM.

Sean EZ

04-06-15, 01:18

If you must get visa on arrival carrying letter or what not, my advice is to bribe one of many officials working and talking with tourists upfront to avoid endless wait. Ours was nearly two hours and I don't know how we managed not to miss our connecting flight. Or better yet get your visa at the embassy prior to your arrival if you've got time.

Not much to report on the P4 P other than what's already been reported on this forum. If you must get a girl late night motorbike guys will find you one, expect quality to vary.

SirRox

04-09-15, 21:55

First time poster, long time lurker!

Arrived in HCMC early this morning. Did someone forget to turn the thermostat down?

If anyone reads about a Canadian guy dying of heat stroke, that'll be me.

Just a quick thanks to some of the posters here for some good reading. Cab driver tried the 200 k fare thing then miraculously was 400 k when I got in the cab. Bailed and walked a bit, Vinasun cab on.

Meter 130 k to hotel. 20 k tip.

Checked in, quick nap, and out for a walk.

Had a massage at a place directly across street from Ho Sen Hotel. 380 k quoted for 60 minute massage, talked her down to 250 k.

Cute girl, mid 20's, 6-7 IMO. Offered HJ + massage for 1. 5 m, BJ + massage for 2 m. I just chuckled. She was getting pretty frustrated to the point of pulling those god awful shorts down, giving me a little rub-a-dub chub, then pulling them up and pouting.

Offered 500 k for HJ + massage, more pouting. No Deal. Paid 300 k, actually not a bad massage.

Back to room to shower and try to find some food.

More walking, ended up at a little joint called Kim's something or other? Cute girl there, Cam? I believe her name was sat with me.

Having RTFF'S first thing I asked was if she bar fined. Negative. Bought her a drink as she gave me some pointers on where to go and whatnot. 168 k for lady drink and a Saigon beer, which by the way is becoming my favourite.

Hit Twilight as I was walking by, 2 am local time. Place was deserted except for about 10-12 girls. Some good lookers, mostly 6-7's again IMO.

Had another Saigon while a girl comes up and starts talking. 1.5 m for BJ upstairs or 2 m for fuck she tells me.

"Just here for one beer" I tell her. Hand in my lap asking me where I'm from, where I'm staying, and since it's my first time in Vietnam I should have some fun upstairs. 2 m includes the bar fine and my drink so maybe it is a bargain?

Absolutely amazed with HCMC. Walked about 4-5 hours tonight just looking around. Guessing maybe 7-8 guys in scooters pulled over and offered me everything under the sun.

So this is my first report on ISG, hopefully many more to come if the heat doesn't get me! Here for a week, off to Phnom Penh for another week, then decide where the 3rd week will be spent.

Rokraida

04-11-15, 05:15

What's the deal at Napoly.

Is it a straight out bar with FLs? Or a hostess bar? What is the price range for these girls? Getting frustrated in Saigon the lack of quality available.

Went to Lush and nothing stunning available. Anything that was worth it started at 150 usd for short time.

Apocalypse is also dismal- 200 for short time for some old hags.

Anyone have experience with Ace, Sin lounge, Gold club, chill sky bars?

AmericanThief

04-11-15, 05:47

First time poster, long time lurker!

More walking, ended up at a little joint called Kim's something or other? Cute girl there, Cam? I believe her name was sat with me.

Having RTFF'S first thing I asked was if she bar fined. Negative. Bought her a drink as she gave me some pointers on where to go and whatnot. 168 k for lady drink and a Saigon beer, which by the way is becoming my favourite.Kim's Tavern. Lots of hostesses / waitress none will barfine. They will be your girlfriend for $600-$1000 a month if you put them on your payroll. I find the girls are Xu more attractive than Kim's but same deal. If you want to speak English to girls while drinking.

Kind of pointless, but when you live here you can't realistically P4P everyday so often I find myself at these kind of places just drinking and chatting or hooking up with friends. Also you don't find any of those annoying backpackers in these bars.

AmericanThief

04-11-15, 05:54

Was drinking heavy least night. Found a new arrival from Nha Trang. Great service, GFE, DFK in the bar as well. Will return. 200 BF, 1 M service, drinks and tip were extra.

One of the better looking girls I've ever found in the one of the dirtiest, little dive bars around. (Also, they were selling the fake booze at this place so be careful especially in this heat.).

I can't be bothered to drive 45 minutes outside of D1 to save $5.

She asked for my number which was a first. Usually they just want my dong. No English, only body language, so don't know why she asked for my number. Probably shouldn't have given it to her or maybe its time I get a hoe phone.

ChelseaBill

04-12-15, 19:21

I'll believe that you believe that the term "nips" isn't racist when you repeatedly use the term to their face.So, by your rationale, 'Yanks' and / or 'Brits' are also racist terms?

Social engineering by the liberal fascists.

Terwagne

04-13-15, 08:42

What bar was that?

Did she call you?

Was drinking heavy least night. Found a new arrival from Nha Trang. Great service, GFE, DFK in the bar as well. Will return. 200 BF, 1 M service, drinks and tip were extra.

One of the better looking girls I've ever found in the one of the dirtiest, little dive bars around. (Also, they were selling the fake booze at this place so be careful especially in this heat.).

I can't be bothered to drive 45 minutes outside of D1 to save $5.

She asked for my number which was a first. Usually they just want my dong. No English, only body language, so don't know why she asked for my number. Probably shouldn't have given it to her or maybe its time I get a hoe phone.

ChelseaBill

05-03-15, 11:51

Finally I left the dusts of Abu Dhabi (good market for mongering) after having most of the pretty P4 P things there.

Saigon. New ventures, new mongering market for me. My new employer has put me in a very basic, but clean and excellently located hotel in Thi Sach St, Ben Nghe Ward, District 1 - 50 m from Apocalypse Now.

First evening, after stumbling out of Etihad Business class, managed to shower, clean teeth and feel frisky. Turn left out of the hotel and there's this dull looking entrance to what appears to be a bar with lots of noise coming out of it and a few women outside. Hmmm. Luckily, a doorman recognised my plight and invited me in. Free of charge. Ah hell, why not? Inside, 21:00 hrs or so, it is a little quite but food would be served upstairs in 'UpStation' ok.

Cut a long story short, the place started to buzz 22:00 hrs onwards with a variety of terribly nice (yuk!) expat hippocrocopigs, many young Ruperts and Rodneys and a smattering of VN girls. The VN girls drifted in more and more, however, the quality, generally, was nothing to get too excited about. (I lived in Sukhumvit for 6 years). Nonetheless, as in every pick up joint, there were a few diamonds in the rough. Some of these diamonds were just plain stupid and / or greedy. Towards 02:00 hrs, I was approached by a sweetie, sure, 8/10, too aggressive, telling me how she would suck me for hours, lick my arse (the thought of kissing her then horrified me!) all night for only $200. I told her I only wanted short time. Still, only $200. I asked her if I rely looked like a tourist, to which she replied, "Yes" - I don't think she realised I was having a pop back at her. She eventually gave up the pursuit after the 10th "No, thank you!" Number 2 came along, softer approach, wanted $200. I told her she would want to give me $200 after I made her scream and orgasm for several hours. Did she want to bet? If I make her come many times, she would give me $200, or if she could take straight sex for 2 hours, not 30 minutes or 1 hour, but 2 hrs straight, I would give her $200. No. She said that would be too long.

Number 3 came along and had the right softly, softly approach and I was ready. She wanted $100 for all night. I only wanted short time. Short time same-same - $100. Nah. Not tonight, thanks. She came back after 20 minutes and asked for $75 short time. I felt obliged, or was it the effects of the little blue headache tablet starting to kick in?

We proved that the hotel was girl friendly. The sex was adequate (a lot of genuine moaning and groaning, but not tight at all, which was surprising for such a small framed girl). A little disappointing compared to my exploits in Fortuna and Hanoi Hotel last year, Thailand in general and the Chinese takeaways in Abu Dhabi. Unfortunately, afterwards, sweetie was all over me like a cheap rash. Wanting to meet me to go to the cinema, take me out to dinner, show me around, etc. Kinda killed it for me. I've been doing some prep work on VNCupid for a few months and it appears to me that most of the VN girls just seem to want to get married to get out of Dodge...

New market, new meat, Apocalypse will be HQ from where I shall go out on aggressive patrols to other target rich environments.

Wendella

05-03-15, 16:17

Finally I left the dusts of Abu Dhabi (good market for mongering) after having most of the pretty P4 P things there.

For your price range, ease of use and proximity, try hitting some of the girl bars. 13 LE Thanh Ton is one, there are one or two more on that stretch before reaching Thi Sach street. Smiley bar is near Apo, one block over going opposite direction from Hai Ba Trung. There's one on Thi Sach just near LE Thanh Ton. There's one on corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi street. Another at 29 Dong Khoi. They're all stocked with working girls, available for immediate takeout. And in the backpacker area, a short taxi ride away, thre are grungier versions of these bars, particularly in the area where Bui Vien and Do Quang Do street meet.

CarlEarly

05-21-15, 15:38

I just got back from my annual trip to HCMC. Here's a quick review:

My first night, I went straight from the airport to my hotel (in District 7). As always, my first stop was Bar 29 and I arrived well past midnight. I know the mamasan well and she showed me her latest "talents". Girls were friendly (and touchy) but no one in particular caught my eye so I decided to walk around the neighborhood. Outside Velvet club, I saw two hotties and exchanged a few words, but they quickly hopped on a motorbike and took off. From there, I took a cab to Go2 Bar around 2:00 am. It was quite dead at that hour but I figured I'd at least use my free drink ticket. Within 30 minutes, the bar filled up with mostly 5's and 6's. I wasn't disappointed as this was my first night and I wasn't expecting much. Outside, I grabbed a pork gyro and enjoyed the scenery.

I woke up early the next morning and went to minh tam 2 for a massage. I won't go much into detail as I plan on writing a separate review on the massage thread. My girl had the most amazing lips, which only my nipples could appreciate. After the massage, it was back to my hotel for lunch and a nap. I woke up feeling refreshed so I decided to head back to D1 and walk around. My first stop was Vincom Center. Some days, Vincom Center is packed with cute locals who are dying to meet western men. I've always been able to capitalize off my Asian heritage and nyc background. On this particular day, it was quiet and the best I could do is get a number from a coffee employee. I asked for the WiFi password, and then her number. I then walked towards HBT. It was daytime but strolling through this street brought back lots of memories. I walked past Renaissance Riverside hotel until I reached the ho tung mao area. I went straight to Voodoo for their happy hour. The bar was dead but the advantage of this is chit chatting with the bartenders when they arrive in their street clothes. One bartender got dressed and did her make-up right in front of me. Once her slutty transition was complete, she sat next to me and asked if we could do a shot together. I typically won't buy girls drinks but she promised the shot was intended for my enjoyment. My curiosity got the best of me so I agreed. She licked salt off my neck (and even sucked on my ear) before taking the shot and feeding it to me. I eventually ordered 5 more of these. By the time I realized I was drunk, we exchanged numbers and I headed back to my hotel. I was little angry at myself for getting drunk as I wanted to check out ladies night at Lush. I called it a night and decided to stop by Lush later in the week.

The next night I went to Boomerang, a restaurant / bar in District 7 which attracts plenty of locals. Eating dinner alone has its advantages as several waitresses stopped by to ask where I'm from etc. Once the flirting began, I started to feel "alive" so I called my voodoo girl. She kept insisting I meet her at voodoo but I really didn't feel like taking the 30 min cab downtown. We agreed to hang out the next day but it never happened. Oh well.

After two full days of business meetings, I was feeling lazy. I went to Blanchy's tash for a jack & coke which usually wakes me up but the crowd was dead. So I walked to Apocalypse. I don't know why but I feel like my trip isn't complete until I go here once. I always challenge myself to get one of the girls to come home with me for free, which seems to be an impossible task. After a few conversations and a couple expensive drinks, I started to feel energized so I headed to Lush. Over the years, I've become close with the employees so they put me at a nice table by the dance floor and I ordered my usual bottle of black. On this particular night, I didn't get a chance to game any locals as I spent hours playing rock / paper / scissor with the staff. I don't mind they drink out of my bottle since they're cute and I genuinely enjoy their company. Once the bar had closed, I met a girl outside who asked if I was interested in late night fun. So I hopped on her motorbike and she took me to a random street corner. Her idea of late night fun was street food LOL. But I can't complain. It felt adventurous and was by far the best pork & rice plate I've ever hard. Definitely better than any halal cart in NYC.

It was a quick 3 hour nap and then back to work. I began to feel like my last night in HCMC would be a total waste. I got drunk during dinner with co-workers and by the time I headed back to my hotel for a shower, I had suddenly fallen asleep. I woke up at 2:00 am and dragged myself out of bed. While brushing my teeth, I had to listen to 50 cent to help get in the mood. There was nowhere to go but Go2 Bar so I grabbed a beer from the mini fridge and hopped into a cab. The bar was packed and the crowd was alive. I met a girl named Vi and we danced and made out on the dance floor. I wasn't 100% sure if she was a working girl. But then I met her friends and I was sure LOL. Long story short, we went back to my hotel and snuck past the sleeping attendant at the front desk. There was no mention of money until she was getting dressed to leave. She asked for 2 M but all I had was 80 USD (which was still way too much). It was my last few hours in HCMC and I was drunk, so I agreed to give her the 80 in exchange for another BJ.

Overall, my time was limited but I created several new memories during my trip so I have no regrets. I plan to do a few things differently the next time I visit the land of motorbikes. Cheers! This thread is awesome!

ChelseaBill

05-21-15, 17:15

Wendella,

I am indebted to you!

Many, many thanks!

Bill.

For your price range, ease of use and proximity, try hitting some of the girl bars. 13 LE Thanh Ton is one, there are one or two more on that stretch before reaching Thi Sach street. Smiley bar is near Apo, one block over going opposite direction from Hai Ba Trung. There's one on Thi Sach just near LE Thanh Ton. There's one on corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi street. Another at 29 Dong Khoi. They're all stocked with working girls, available for immediate takeout. And in the backpacker area, a short taxi ride away, thre are grungier versions of these bars, particularly in the area where Bui Vien and Do Quang Do street meet.

Uncle Volodya

05-23-15, 15:25

I woke up early the next morning and went to minh tam 2 for a massage. I won't go much into detail as I plan on writing a separate review on the massage thread. My girl had the most amazing lips, which only my nipples could appreciate. After the massage, it was back to my hotel for lunch and a nap. I woke up feeling refreshed so I decided to head back to D1 and walk around. My first stop was Vincom Center. Some days, Vincom Center is packed with cute locals who are dying to meet western men. I've always been able to capitalize off my Asian heritage and nyc background. On this particular day, it was quiet and the best I could do is get a number from a coffee employee. I asked for the WiFi password, and then her number. I then walked towards HBT. It was daytime but strolling through this street brought back lots of memories. I walked past Renaissance Riverside hotel until I reached the ho tung mao area. I went straight to Voodoo for their happy hour. The bar was dead but the advantage of this is chit chatting with the bartenders when they arrive in their street clothes. One bartender got dressed and did her make-up right in front of me. Once her slutty transition was complete, she sat next to me and asked if we could do a shot together. I typically won't buy girls drinks but she promised the shot was intended for my enjoyment. My curiosity got the best of me so I agreed. She licked salt off my neck (and even sucked on my ear) before taking the shot and feeding it to me. I eventually ordered 5 more of these. By the time I realized I was drunk, we exchanged numbers and I headed back to my hotel. I was little angry at myself for getting drunk as I wanted to check out ladies night at Lush. I called it a night and decided to stop by Lush later in the week.

Damn man, if this was last week (5-12) you definitely missed a good ladies night at Lush. I was there with my friend and her 2 hot GFs. And there were wall to wall lookers. Including some girls that may have been FLs (I was with my girl so could not check).

I got the same vibe from Vincom, but I could not follow up as I was with my girl (again).

I had an awesome time with her and no regrets. But I'll definitely have to schedule some ME time next time I am in VN.

Stay horny my friend!

Uncle-V.