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MassageFun
12-01-13, 08:26
Today peaceful protest in Siam by the BTS Siam Paragon Closed and some stores around.
But all MP open but quite from reports.
New Old Guy
12-01-13, 08:57
I have heard that having ones hair cut in Thailand can be a more sensual experience than back home; anyone know where in Bangkok or Pattaya for that matter I can experience a nice hair cut experience?Yeah very sensual, your choices are to go to a ladies salon, take all the giggling and be overcharged 150 bath, or go a barber shop often staffed by gays. Thailand is not Vietnam or China.
Gullivers dead.
Beer Garden quiet and delightful gamine (new spelling (!) for the pedantic) was happy to negotiate Baht 500 ST inc DFK, BJWO and FS. Left after a couple of hours of GFE sex.
Other bars quiet, Hilary 2 overstocked with eager ladies and other bars have ladies playing each other at pool.
Some hotels reporting (unnecessary) cancellations.
More for me for tenet week
Wolvenvacht
12-01-13, 09:59
Reference? I have european debit cards and they work perfectly all over the world, expecially for atm withdrawal s. Nobody is obliged yet to use a credit card for withdrawals and take the related extra fees.Reference? My own experience and advisories from ALL my banks in Belgium. I was told by one of these banks similar measures were taken by other European countries as well.
New Old Guy
12-01-13, 10:18
Reference? My own experience and advisories from ALL my banks in Belgium. I was told by one of these banks similar measures were taken by other European countries as well.You was told equine manure.
I paid less than 3K for ST with Min.How much did you pay?
Reference? My own experience and advisories from ALL my banks in Belgium. I was told by one of these banks similar measures were taken by other European countries as well.That it explains it all! No surprise given the country has hardly got a Government.
How much did you pay?Baht 2, 999. Does it matter?
I've been mongering in Thailand for the thick end of 25 years and thank goodness for that with the current prices being quoted.
Even as recent as 2010 I was easily able to hire a very pretty GoGo girl all night for 2000 Baht be it Bangkok or Pattaya, alright I did have one or two try their luck for 3000 but we soon agreed a compromise closer to my ceiling. Now I'm hearing stories of girls asking 3-5000 on top of a bar fine. FFS this is outrageous.
My many expat friends living in the Big Mango place the blame fairly & squarely on the sex tourists from China, Japan & Korea, they claim without the patronage of these nations Nana Plaza prices would be much more appropriate to our expectations.
How much did you pay?If I wanted to state how much, I would have written it. I normally avoid stating prices mainly because I don't want price discussions. My mongering experiences are not price focussed. The girl knows me so price was not discussed.
Anyway Amjeck, you can be sure this place is not for you. Its way out of your price range. I should not be discussing anything with you, as price is your only subject I can remember. I know where I can get cheap girls and I know where I can get it for free, and yet I still prefer to pay for higher quality. I have been to Biergarten too on occasions. I looked but was not that impressed. I probably don't have time to really wait for the better looking girls to show up there. I also have this bad habit of wanting to see girls naked before buying. No surprises.
For me its all about utilising my mongering time to get the best quality girls. I just rang my favourite bargirl to line her up. She has a slim hot body (super ass) and exceptional performance and we never discuss the price. I am not bored with her. I would rather have the same girl that is consistently fantastic than take a gamble. I try to maintain a list of several favourites, and only occasionally try a new girl which can be hit and miss.
spent a couple of week in bangkok and partook of two bjs at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), one at dr. bj's salon and also had a go at dr. bj's nuru.
bj #1 at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900):
went in around 4. 30pm on a tuesday. picked the friendliest looking girl: nice isan girl, youngish, quite pretty. superb skills. started with a 10/10 ball lick and then proceeded to a long and leisurely blowie, going at my pace, no attempt to rush to a finish, took the load like a trooper at the end.
bj #2 at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900):
went at lunchtime on my last day, which was a friday. again picked the friendliest looking one of the bunch. also from isan, somewhat lighter skinned than the rest, been at loli's for five years so i guess relatively more jaded than the previous girl, who'd been there just a year and a half. did try to rush it at first but got the message after i asked her to go slow a couple of times. didn't rush after that and i ended my trip with a smile on my face and cum in her mouth.
dr. bj's nuru:
went around 4pm on a thursday. lineup was not special. the (scottish?) chap in charge recommended a chubby lass as providing the best service but i went for an "optifick" and picked the youngest and cutest looking girl (think her name was "beem"). wanted to go for a vip room but the guy said he wouldn't recommend her for the two hour option as she's new and provides more of a rushed service so i thanked him and went for a standard room. wish i had gone for the vip even if i didn't stay the full two hours. the standard room was basically just a shower room with a pvc mattress. all a bit wet and nasty (and chilly, thanks, to a blasting aircon and a cold water shower) and half the time i was fretting about all the germs and bacteria that must have been crawling around that wet mattress. the girl was a real cutie though. very pretty, big eyes (big knockers too) and a nice attitude. bit of a tummy on her, but hey. did rush the b2b a bit but cheerfully provided all other services with quite a bit of gusto. inexperience showed through in the bj but was nice and tight when i went inside. this was another downside to the standard room. it was difficult to gain any purchase on that damn slippery mattress and doggy was a hell of a challenge. managed to muddle through it somehow and ended with a fantastic splooge all over her pretty face, which she took with quite a bit of giggling, which is always nice.
dr. bj's salon:
went in for a lunchtime bj on a saturday. lineup wasn't fantastic, went for a consultant because she had a sexy secretary look to her. turned out to be from laos, which was nice as it was another tick on the world map for me. very nice girl, pleasant to chat to, too, when her mouth wasn't otherwise occupied. good skills, absolutely no rushing whatsoever and slurped it all up when i pumped my lot in her mouth. will definitely go back of an evening. had a look at the lineup when i walked past to go the nuru a few days previously and there looked to be a good selection.
So if you are Brit. Don't worry.Well I am a Brit but my cards are in Euro countries (neither of them obscure!) so they must have a slightly different policy. Sure I can get it sorted on Monday.
Ripple
Wolvenvacht
12-01-13, 13:38
That it explains it all! No surprise given the country has hardly got a Government.You are quite mistaken, my friend!
Belgium has:
Federal Government.
Flemish Regional and Community Government.
Brussels Regional Government.
Walloon Regional Government.
French Community Government.
German Community Government.
And a host of inter-governmental committees to try coordinating all these governments. Plus our 10 provincial Governments.
And yes, each of these governments have their own parliament too (the Federal Government even has 2).
You are quite mistaken, my friend!
Belgium has: Federal Government. Flemish Regional and Community Government. Brussels Regional Government. Walloon Regional Government. French Community Government. German Community Government. And a host of inter-governmental committees to try coordinating all these governments. Plus our 10 provincial Governments. And yes, each of these governments have their own parliament too (the Federal Government even has 2).Got a functioning banking system.
Mind you with all those "governments" over one of the less important countries in the EU it is not surprising to does not anyone to spen their limited Euros outside its very limited borders.
Bluntly, if you have a banking system which tells you that you cannot uses debit card in Thailand you have a very 'Belgian' banking system.
Anyway Amjeck, you can be sure this place is not for you. .Tel Amjeck, misérable misanthropist that he can get Baht 500 at the Bier Garten on Soi 7 and he is welcome.
You are quite mistaken, my friend!
Belgium has:
Federal Government.
Flemish Regional and Community Government.
Brussels Regional Government.
Walloon Regional Government.
French Community Government.
German Community Government.
And a host of inter-governmental committees to try coordinating all these governments. Plus our 10 provincial Governments.
And yes, each of these governments have their own parliament too (the Federal Government even has 2).That's on the paper. Since how long belgium doesn't have a properly elected Central / Federal government? My Last knowledge is that the parties could not agree on a coalition, so the current government doesn't represent the people' s votes (I simplify as we are not here to talk about politics)
Wolvenvacht
12-01-13, 16:10
That's on the paper. Since how long belgium doesn't have a properly elected Central / Federal government? My Last knowledge is that the parties could not agree on a coalition, so the current government doesn't represent the people' s votes (I simplify as we are not here to talk about politics)It took us 541 days to form a government that got a majority in parliament and that has now been in power since December 2011 already. Next year we have new elections.
Wolvenvacht
12-01-13, 16:13
(...)
it is not surprising to does not anyone to spen their limited Euros outside its very limited borders.
(...) The smaller a country is, the more outside world there is to spend your money in. :) Happy me!
.I just rang my favourite bargirl to line her up. She has a slim hot body (super ass).Hey Syzygies, you have been talking about her a lot recently. Mind posting a pic of her super hot ass? :)
Hey Syzygies, you have been talking about her a lot recently. Mind posting a pic of her super hot ass? :)Well that's a good idea. I should try to get a pic soon. She may not mind if her face is hidden. She is a damn good bargirl. Not many are of this breed. She has a small face, is quite slim and has small waist but significant thigh width. The arse cheeks balloon out and are firm and high, no sign of sag even though she is an older than she looks, leaving a very sexy gap underneath. Most girls have a few stretch marks but her ass is also very smooth and not white but fairly light skin. A very tight toned body with no noticable fat, maybe looking like a gymnast's body might look. Not for big tit fans.
She is popular despite working bar just 7 months. Does both ST and LT and BFed 27 times last month despite working only 23 days. I probably helped her break her record of most "Offs" for the month by taking her ST very early evening several times. So obviously she had 2 customers on several days. So she has been BFed before 8PM quite frequently. She has a few regular customers who keep coming back. I will be a long term customer for sure.
(I simplify as we are not here to talk about politics)Thanks for that. This is Bangkok. We are specially not wanting the thread filled with Belgian Politics. Have a thought for those scrolling through heaps on an iphone or similar.
New Old Guy
12-01-13, 17:48
Well that's a good idea. I should try to get a pic soon. She may not mind if her face is hidden. She is a damn good bargirl. Not many are of this breed. She has a small face, is quite slim and has small waist but significant thigh width. The arse cheeks balloon out and are firm and high, no sign of sag even though she is an older than she looks, leaving a very sexy gap underneath. Most girls have a few stretch marks but her ass is also very smooth and not white but fairly light skin. A very tight toned body with no noticable fat, maybe looking like a gymnast's body might look. Not for big tit fans. I.
She is popular despite working bar just 7 months. Does both ST and LT and BFed 27 times last month despite working only 23 days. I probably helped her break her record of most "Offs" for the month by taking her ST very early evening several times. So obviously she had 2 customers on several days. So she has been BFed before 8PM quite frequently. She has a few regular customers who keep coming back. I will be a long term customer for sure.With all the understanding for the attractiveness and sexual quality of a prostitute, I can' t for the life of myself comprhend how a serious monger can repeatedly pay (actually overpay) a same woman when knowin she's high rotation. Especially when it involves paying barfines or similar nonsense. Expensive entertainment once ok. Repeat the same over and over no thanks. If one likes a same woman so much (at times i do) take a mistress.
I have this penchant for the gamine look, cheeky face and seriously short hair cut with fringe, perky nose and high up boobs.
A man after my own heart! I really love that look.
I realize lots of guys love their tits and ass, but to my eye the tight little spinner is just gorgeous.
And I guess that limits the field.
Sadly so true, as rising living standards, sedentary life styles spent hunched over a smartphone and the hegemony of American fast food combine to pack pounds onto the frames of so very many girls in Thailand.
Bunky
Any you guys visited either of these? Any girls you can recommend?
Paul Kausch
12-01-13, 23:30
The US State Department is not advising US citizens to change travel plans. Here is the latest statement they sent to people enrolled in the traveler program.
December 1, 2013.
Domestic political activists in Thailand are holding large demonstrations at several sites throughout Bangkok. These demonstrations may continue in the coming days, including at several Thai government facilities in areas within and outside of Central Bangkok.
Violence, including gunshots, was reported on the night of November 30 / morning of December 1st in the area of Ramkhamhaeng University in the Bang Kapi district northeast of Central Bangkok. At least two persons have been reported killed and several dozen have been reported injured. Police have used tear gas and other measures to protect government facilities at several locations in Bangkok.
Although the Thai government has not implemented a curfew, senior officials have recommended that residents remain at home from 10:00 pm Dec 1 through 5:00 am Dec 2.
The USA Embassy in Bangkok will be open on Monday as usual. Please check the Embassy's web page and Twitter feed for updates.
Even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence. You should avoid areas of demonstrations, and exercise caution if in the vicinity of any large gatherings, protests, or demonstrations. Be alert and aware of your surroundings and pay attention to local news media reports.
spent a couple of week in bangkok and partook of two bjs at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), one at dr. bj's salon and also had a go at dr. bj's nuru.
dr. bj's nuru: this was another downside to the standard room. it was difficult to gain any purchase on that damn slippery mattress and doggy was a hell of a challenge.nuru is a slippery b2b masage with a "special" gel. no wonder you could grab the girl properly and she was sliding away or so! lol
StudBucket
12-02-13, 01:20
I've been mongering in Thailand for the thick end of 25 years and thank goodness for that with the current prices being quoted.
Even as recent as 2010 I was easily able to hire a very pretty GoGo girl all night for 2000 Baht be it Bangkok or Pattaya, alright I did have one or two try their luck for 3000 but we soon agreed a compromise closer to my ceiling. Now I'm hearing stories of girls asking 3-5000 on top of a bar fine. FFS this is outrageous.
My many expat friends living in the Big Mango place the blame fairly & squarely on the sex tourists from China, Japan & Korea, they claim without the patronage of these nations Nana Plaza prices would be much more appropriate to our expectations.Good comment, mate, I agree. My friends and I are not bad looking gents and on our trip last summer we had some girls in BKK ask us 3 to 5 k, and one bud even had one quote hime 7 k to which we all just laughed and immediately just walked away. This is why I like Pattaya so much better. Of course, you can negotiate, but the trend seems to be going this way in BKK, and almost all FL's will only do short time with no GFE. In the MPs, Beer Bars, and Go-gos there prices are much lower, but the real attractive ones think they are a rare commodity, therefore, know how to ask more for it.
Nuru is a slippery B2B masage with a "special" gel. No wonder you could grab the girl properly and she was sliding away or so! LOLHaha, yes! The challenge was actually stopping my knees sliding away.
I paid less than 3K for ST with Min. The mamasan was a bit irritating and possibly trying to tell me the girl rates but I was not paying attention. She also wanted to mention how much was on my drink bill. Again, I am ignoring her. It doesn't seem to be her business. She did not want to add the 700 Baht BF to the bill. Appears that they are not trusting the customers in this bar at all.
Min is not a typical bargirl. Seems to be 100% honest and trustworthy, despite the myth that all bargirls are liars and cheats. Min warned me that some girls in the bar are indeed trying to cheat the customer. So if the girl tries to get you to pay up front, it could mean she has been ripped off by customers refusing to pay for the sex, or could mean she is a cheat and will run away at the first possible opportunity. Certain nationalities of customers have bad reputations for disputing the bill (bad memories or a culture thing?) , and others for ripping off the girl. Guys from the USA enjoy the very best reputation (I am not from there) for fairness, honesty and avoiding foul language. I could practise my American accent. I can even speak Thai with a funny American like accent LOL. Not sure if Americans can be picked by the way they dress, but its wise not to dress too sloppy and make sure you are clean. Sweaty singlets is not a good look. Typically Singaporeans, Koreans, and Japanese can be picked by dress style I am told.What are you guys talking about? When I was in Bangkok a week or so ago I was quoted 700 BF and 2000 ST at Crazy House. Where did this 3000 ST come from?
Although the Thai government has not implemented a curfew, senior officials have recommended that residents remain at home from 10:00 pm Dec 1 through 5:00 am Dec 2.Oh Shit! Whoops! I did not stay home after 10PM. Big deal! Not sure what was so special about last night. Plenty of tourists out and about. Some in groups. Not sure why you publish these foreign political warnings, either. Can just put a link to them. Better to publish your own opinions, in my opinion. Have you decided to stay home now?
We have had senseless stay away warnings for so many years, the danger will be that any warning will be ignored when a situation does get really dangerous. When civil war breaks out, that will be something.
The only useful advice is to take a wide berth of demonstrations and mobs. Its nothing to do with tourists. I was amazed to see a foreigner filming a demonstration while riding his motor-bike. Risking an accident.
Any you guys visited either of these? Any girls you can recommend?More fishing for publicity?
Good comment, mate, I agree. My friends and I are not bad looking gents and on our trip last summer we had some girls in BKK ask us 3 to 5 k, and one bud even had one quote hime 7 k to which we all just laughed and immediately just walked away. This is why I like Pattaya so much better. Of course, you can negotiate, but the trend seems to be going this way in BKK, and almost all FL's will only do short time with no GFE. In the MPs, Beer Bars, and Go-gos there prices are much lower, but the real attractive ones think they are a rare commodity, therefore, know how to ask more for it.I don't think your looks matter much, as long as look acceptable and clean, so strange you should mention that. I don't think I normally comment on my looks, as does not occur to me. If guys look bad, the girl may charge a fortune or just refuse to be interested.
The problem with freelancers, bargirls, etc. Is they can set their own price according to what they think they can get. Very fair. Free market. Some are very cheap as that is all they can get. If you don't like it, then simply go to fixed price establishments.
Freelancers are not GFE? I did not know that, but you can avoid freelancers. I don't use freelancers that much, mainly because it takes too much time to find one with great face, and great body, although I am sure many exist. I have found some good freelancers working in bars (with no monthly salary) to be good but bars don't like to have freelancers too much, as they like to exert more control over the girls.
NeverJerkOff
12-02-13, 08:02
Dude, if you are going to spend tall coin on some jeans, go out and buy some good Japanese raw selvedge denim. Don't be seen in pre-washed jeans. Create your own fades. I ditched Diesel years ago. Yeah, new raw is a pain to break in, but after you will have the best fitting and best looking jeans you have ever had.
And if you want to buy local, there are several fantastic small brands here in Thailand (that use Japanese selvedge) and lots of shops selling Japanese brands. Try 'them out, you will love them, and no one will ever call you a douchebag. Peace.Care to share where one can buy the Thai brands that use Japanese selvedge?
Here is a freelance pickup spot I don't remember seeing mentioned here fellows, Grease Bangkok Sukhumvit 49.
With all the understanding for the attractiveness and sexual quality of a prostitute, I can' t for the life of myself comprhend how a serious monger can repeatedly pay (actually overpay) a same woman when knowin she's high rotation. Especially when it involves paying barfines or similar nonsense. Expensive entertainment once ok. Repeat the same over and over no thanks. If one likes a same woman so much (at times i do) take a mistress.What's the going rate for a mistress?
Will she be as hot as a sex trade stunner?
Will she do whatever I want with a smile?
High rotation? IOW experienced, knowledagble, skilled in her art. What's the problem?
I've been mongering in Thailand for the thick end of 25 years and thank goodness for that with the current prices being quoted.
Even as recent as 2010 I was easily able to hire a very pretty GoGo girl all night for 2000 Baht be it Bangkok or Pattaya, alright I did have one or two try their luck for 3000 but we soon agreed a compromise closer to my ceiling. Now I'm hearing stories of girls asking 3-5000 on top of a bar fine. FFS this is outrageous.
My many expat friends living in the Big Mango place the blame fairly & squarely on the sex tourists from China, Japan & Korea, they claim without the patronage of these nations Nana Plaza prices would be much more appropriate to our expectations.I don't think the North asians are the whole problem, but they certainly have contributed to it. There are still plenty of westerners paying these high prices also, but if you go into the main areas in BKK you will see lots more asian tourists than ever before.
High season has an affect on these "outrageous" prices also. High season turns the marketplace into a sellers market, where the girls have the power to demand high prices.
Member #4387
12-02-13, 12:02
From FL hangouts in BKK I can not adress anything but the fact I pay the same compensation all year around. FL wice the normal hangoutplaces seems to have same ammount of girls as well (I do ofcourse not count but it is my impression anyway). When I read MOST fl girls don't do LT and no GFE I dont recognize this. I do enjoy a combination of PSE / GFE tough. Since I enjoy some alone time after multiple poppings / beeing drenched (nighttime, bonerwakeups during sleep time and morning / daytimefucking even A+ service most of the time)my problem is more in line to get them to leave. Maby have something to with my chemistrybuilding. I elaborate later. I do compensate in the line of 3K(sometimes that is for very LT and an almost unbelievable amounts of sessions). Sometimes higher if very good quality of everything. For BG or Gullivers(quick take outs and more efficient chemistrybuilding, daytimeuse only, 1 or 2k(a+service mandatory and allways rubber use)..
Pricequotings is almost non existent to me (it do ofcourse happen but then I dismiss the girl) as I like to enjoy to figure out what kind of compensation they are worth at the end but i do compensate. The girls i deal with seems all happy with this and atleast no money is discussed. Why, i dont know as from what i read it seems girls quote prices in east and west and cheeky high ones too. What can be the reason for this???
Maby a big different between me and many other mongerers is that I invest quite some time if I see a girl that interests me into creating the good athmosphere through chemistrybuilding (drinking, laughing, kissing, treating her friends nice as it gives her good standing). Then the girls feel respected and I can sense the aftermatch will be a good one (works both ways). It is only normal that a girl no matter what we call her will performe better if she likes you. I strongly also believe, if not for others so for my own sake, into staying very well groomed and nicely dressed. I see guys hunting all the time not looking fresh and they are also not willing to spend a dime. The latter will ofcourse have some impact on ladies as we are talking about pay for play venues here (mostly). I know some of you think it is vaste of time doing it my way as we deal with pay for play girls. Each to his own i think have to be the right answer. To me when meeting a new girl what i mention above is half the fun as i like to party and have fun as well(why not together with some beauties i say). I know ofcourse i dont have to do it this way and i could have been more effective in my mongering but this is what works the best for me and my liknings. It also makes girls only want ST to go away(atleast i think so) as spending long time in a disco would be a vaste of time for her(or ofcourse they could change during time spend with me. As long as she does not puts out signals she is a ST girls and keeps quite about money i realy dont care. I guess i never will know).
As some other contributours state I also strongly believe if a girl quote a strange high price she is realy not motivated to go. Even if I don't have that problem it all makes perfect sense. If it is a wice choice to pick a girl not interested is another matter as she probably will only performe as little as possible / starfishing(using only half her engine).
And yes I am as normal talking about our beloved (or hated) places as Levels, Bash, Q-Bar, Climax, Mixx, Insanity, Shock39, CM2 (getting almost a place for Stanigirls / african women from my exp) , Thermae, Spasso. Gogo and BG and the barfine system is not to my liking(and yes i know some of these girls will wander off and hit mentioned places but that does not matter as long as no mama or papasan is involved). The only benefit i can see as i am very resteictive dealing with strechmarked girls is you can view ladies nude or almost nude in GoGo's. I mostly stay away from girls with children anyway and i do some touching and feelups during screening/interview process anyway so even if i have encountered a few saggy ones in my mongerlife it also leaves some excitement to the nudepart of the deal.
I have been around SEA in general and BKK more specificaly all year around for quite some years now. To me it is not important if it is high / low season as this has nothing to when I visit. From venues mentioned above it is no difference and I meet my semi pro girls anyway without any trouble. I usually don't hit the most hardcore material but as long as they stay away from quoting prices and are into having a blast I realy don't care so much what we should call these girls (I don't study their background anyway but you can easily sense if a girl is a hardened pro or a more newbee to the game and I end mostly up for some reasons unknown to me with the latter ones). Well one obvious reason is ofcourse i stay away from SC, Nana and Patong, i stay away from MP's and BJ bars and away from Streetwalkers. In Pattaya(only a very few days a year)same modus operandi(MO)meaning disco/nightclubs. I am also a big user of datingsites(in Thailand not so much as before)but mostly for China, Indonesia, Malaysia and Philippines(with great sucsess i might add).
It is nice to see we do conduct various MO but when i read some reports here they are very far from how i view the FL ladies. I guess that is just how life is sometimes.
Even if it is high or low season BKK is a very cheap place to have fun anyway. Stay strong and monger hard.Even though my typical mode of operation is different due to limited time I can appreciate you ways.
A question or two if I may? What time do you go to these venues on average and how much time do you spend there before taking a girl away? How would a non-drinker operate at these venues? Which disco has the best music for older guys?
Dr. BJ's Nuru:
Went around 4pm on a Thursday. Lineup was not special. The (Scottish?) chap in charge recommended a chubby lass as providing the best service but I went for an "Optifick" and picked the youngest and cutest looking girl (think her name was "Beem"). Wanted to go for a VIP room but the guy said he wouldn't recommend her for the two hour option as she's new and provides more of a rushed service so I thanked him and went for a standard room. Wish I had gone for the VIP even if I didn't stay the full two hours. The standard room was basically just a shower room with a pvc mattress. All a bit wet and nasty (and chilly, thanks, to a blasting aircon and a cold water shower) and half the time I was fretting about all the germs and bacteria that must have been crawling around that wet mattress. The girl was a real cutie though. Very pretty, big eyes (big knockers too) and a nice attitude. Bit of a tummy on her, but hey. Did rush the B2B a bit but cheerfully provided all other services with quite a bit of gusto. Inexperience showed through in the BJ but was nice and tight when I went inside. This was another downside to the standard room. It was difficult to gain any purchase on that damn slippery mattress and doggy was a hell of a challenge. Managed to muddle through it somehow and ended with a fantastic splooge all over her pretty face, which she took with quite a bit of giggling, which is always nice.My observations on the standard room are pretty much the same as yours. Tried once, and don't intend to repeat as I prefer the Annies format better. Tip. For traction, rinse of the mattress first. And don't forget to switch off the aircon. Getting dressed in a wet room and putting on shoes in the corridor is real pain in the derriere.
9:15pm last night, Nana first floor: This pretty ladyboy grabbed my cock and told me we had not much time before the bars shutdown at 10pm due to the curfew. The only choice I had left, she said, was to barfine her asap and get dirty in the ST hotel upstairs. After freeing myself (and my cock) I proceeded to Mandarin (upstairs) and then Mandarin (downstairs). After a few drinks and friendly banter with 2 mamasans, I barfined this very nice lady called May. We went to Hillary on our way back (see notes below) and to the best of my knowledge it was almost midnight and everything looked normal. So I guess the curfew had not much effect in the lower Sukhumvit area.
Tonight might be different. It's 8pm and I can hear police sirens wailing every 15-20 mins since sundown. Pretty sure I also heard a mobile PA system announcement. The Sukh looks normal from my 10th floor balcony.
Other notes:
May tried to hustle me for 2 drinks for 2 of her friends who joined us at Hillary. I refused.
I payed May THB 4000 as agreed and as bargained down from the initial THB 5000 suggested by mamasan.
Room service was not available "due to the curfew". We survived on Pringles and Toblerones from the mini-bar, in between sessions.
Member #4387
12-02-13, 14:13
Even though my typical mode of operation is different due to limited time I can appreciate you ways.
A question or two if I may? What time do you go to these venues on average and how much time do you spend there before taking a girl away? How would a non-drinker operate at these venues? Which disco has the best music for older guys?Well ofcourse it will vary what time I go but I normaly would say I hit them around 12am to 2am. If a place is rather slow I do ofcourse split and hit a new one but mostly I choose to stay where I first choose to go. When I hit up a girl or the other way around and she is to my liking I can easily spend 1 to 3 hours or so with her before getting down to business. I do carry a clock but I don't watch it very closely so what I write here would be just assumptions but probably more or less correct.
It is hard for me to tell how a non drinker would operate in venues like this as I only know them from a drinking point of view. But according to me it will allways be nice to treat the girls with some drinks (even if you don't drink I guess you don't mind a girl having a 2, 3 drinks?) as in my cases it easens the chemistrybuilding which I do love so much, hehe. As long as a girl feel certain she will get something out of it and not have to worry about you will pay or not I think if you drink or not is not of great importance.
To be frank I don't pay that much attention to the music but atleast Climax and Spasso have livebands playing. Spasso play more oldies goldies but you find also that afew times at Climax (but rather loud). Other mentioned venues do almost an all in new age style of music (ofcourse with exceptions) which of much I do not listen to in my freetime but as stated I realy don't care about the music (only girls). Quite some time since I visited Bangkok Beat but I do remember they also had a liveband quite decent (ofcourse that could have changed). Sorry I could not be of more help.
Would it not be a good idea if you went out and f*ck*the instead of rambling on?
New Old Guy
12-02-13, 15:20
Would itSkbe a good idea if you went out and f*ck*the instead of rambling on?Yet another unwarranted attack. Skogis posted info related on how to get a good fuck while having good time at a club. Clicks with this forum purpose.
Sorry I could not be of more help.No no, that was fine. My difficulty is being too old for very late night mongering and having to get sufficient sleep to be able to work too. I have been to discos like Bed supper, Climax, and Insanity, etc. And Climax was the only one I enjoyed at all as had okay music, but always took a girl with me, so to go alone would be a new experience. I don't really like the discos that much. I do prefer live bands.
I don't mind buying girls alcoholic drinks even if I am not partaking. I don't drink much alcohol for reasons of weight loss and also as I am not very sensitive and alcohol just weakens the feeling. I don't mind drinking alcohol after sex, occasionally. I don't need alcohol to relax, or to forget the world, or even to become a more silly person that talks too much.
I believe just the one vice is enough for me. Just only sex mongering. Perhaps the 2nd vice, is writing too much on the ISG.
As for Scorchin, I think he forgot how much padding, not really related to sexual encounter useful details, that he writes too. Its hard to recall him giving any great intel of use to me, and I don't agree with most of his views anyway. Probably is from a different planet and sees things completely differently.
In the end, Skogis, I don't think you waste as much forum bandwidth as some of the rest of us that write far too frequently (including myself). Then there are the overly negative types out there that really make me wonder. Some of those have fortunately become noticeably absent lately.
So I guess the curfew had not much effect in the lower Sukhumvit area.That's right. If you are in the bars blissfully unaware or ignoring the curfew, then no problem. The bars did not close at 10PM where I was. Tonight I stay home but not because of curfew. My best bargirl is on the rag. LOL
My observations on the standard room are pretty much the same as yours. Tried once, and don't intend to repeat as I prefer the Annies format better. Tip. For traction, rinse of the mattress first. And don't forget to switch off the aircon. Getting dressed in a wet room and putting on shoes in the corridor is real pain in the derriere.I agree. The weather is very nice this time of year so switching off the aircon when in a wet situation is a good option. Thai girls particularly don't like to get very cold.
New Old Guy
12-02-13, 16:31
What's the going rate for a mistress?
Will she be as hot as a sex trade stunner?
Will she do whatever I want with a smile?
High rotation? IOW experienced, knowledagble, skilled in her art. What's the problem?
I would say anywhere from 30.000 a month to the sky limit.
Of course she will do everything with a smile, otherwise why would you have entered the deal.
My issue with doing frequents almost daily repeats with a popular girl is that when the goods are really good I want them for me only. Not a matter of jealousy, but more practical, I want her fresh and available 24/7.
Sorry I could not be of more help.Perfect. I just need a wingman in these clubs.
New Old Guy
12-02-13, 16:44
No no, that was fine. My difficulty is being too old for very late night mongering and having to get sufficient sleep to be able to work too. I have been to discos like Bed supper, Climax, and Insanity, etc. And Climax was the only one I enjoyed at all as had okay music, but always took a girl with me, so to go alone would be a new experience. I don't really like the discos that much. .To be honest if you are old or have other looks issues I do not recommed that you go to the clubs. In fact I will have to quit it soon myself. Good looking girls, the few that there are, reject guys very easily. Of course one could make crazy offers to do them anyway, but that would not produce any good results.
9:15pm last night, Nana first floor: This pretty ladyboy grabbed my cock and told me we had not much time before the bars shutdown at 10pm due to the curfew. The only choice I had left, she said, was to barfine her asap and get dirty in the ST hotel upstairs. After freeing myself (and my cock) I proceeded to Mandarin (upstairs) and then Mandarin (downstairs). After a few drinks and friendly banter with 2 mamasans, I barfined this very nice lady called May. We went to Hillary on our way back (see notes below) and to the best of my knowledge it was almost midnight and everything looked normal. So I guess the curfew had not much effect in the lower Sukhumvit area.
Tonight might be different. It's 8pm and I can hear police sirens wailing every 15-20 mins since sundown. Pretty sure I also heard a mobile PA system announcement. The Sukh looks normal from my 10th floor balcony.
Other notes:
May tried to hustle me for 2 drinks for 2 of her friends who joined us at Hillary. I refused.
I payed May THB 4000 as agreed and as bargained down from the initial THB 5000 suggested by mamasan.
Room service was not available "due to the curfew". We survived on Pringles and Toblerones from the mini-bar, in between sessions.There was no enforceable curfew and there is still not as of Monday evening. The deputy prime minister and police chief just asked that people stay home from Sunday at 10PM to Monday morning at 5AM. No forcing the bars to close early, no tanks, no army patrols. There are just police and un armed army soldiers protecting government house and other government buildings like Changwattana, education, finance and so on. There was excessive violence in the Ramkamhang area at the university Sunday night that got pretty out of hand and some government supporters were killed by Suthep supporters. Most if not all mongering areas like Nana plaza, soi cowboy and so on are all open for business as usual. It seems your ladyboy bar girl chose to heed the advice and go home at ten but me thinks it was a ploy so you would take her upstairs!
I would say anywhere from 30. 000 a month to the sky limit.
Of course she will do everything with a smile, otherwise why would you have entered the deal.
My issue with doing frequents almost daily repeats with a popular girl is that when the goods are really good I want them for me only. Not a matter of jealousy, but more practical, I want her fresh and available 24/7.A lot of guys have thought they had bought exclusivity in making a bar girl or gogo girl into their mistress, whereas in fact she was still working doing tricks. I've had these kinds in my bedroom.
Tonight I stay home but not because of curfew. My best bargirl is on the rag. LOLYou have your own curfew because of red. LOL
To be honest if you are old or have other looks issues I do not recommed that you go to the clubs. In fact I will have to quit it soon myself. Good looking girls, the few that there are, reject guys very easily. Of course one could make crazy offers to do them anyway, but that would not produce any good results.That's what I call semi pros. Find a nice pick up and get money as well. I always respected girls that were very fussy. I am actually a lot older than I look. Plenty of hair and its not just white hair. Also not overweight any more. It's also dark right? They might think I am mid 40s. LOL But I would have to make an effort to be more stylish.
That's what I call semi pros. Find a nice pick up and get money as well. I always respected girls that were very fussy. I am actually a lot older than I look. Plenty of hair and its not just white hair. Also not overweight any more. It's also dark right? They might think I am mid 40s. LOL But I would have to make an effort to be more stylish.They aren't semi-pros. There are some there, but note that he said that making a crazy offer won't give a good result. At places like Mixx and Levels, as opposed to Climax or Insanity, you have lots of girls who are not in the game in any way, shape or form. Educated, good jobs, but like to party and many like foreign guys. So if they are rejecting you then money won't help. I tend to go to places like Route 66 as well. These places in RCA are packed with really hot girls and maybe 2% are working. But for them one will need your level of Thai to make an impression even as a younger guy.
Somewhere15
12-03-13, 04:46
Protest and curfew but untill jet I haven't seen it on the Sukhumvite area for the last 3 weeks.
Through TF / internet I made contact with a 28 years old cutie. 165 cm. 48 kg who was on Duty in a shop in Central World and we agreed to meet after she finished at 09:30 PM.
We meet for a small diner in the Huntsman bar (Landmark) and I invited her over to my place, where a nearly full bottle of White Wine still was waiting in the fridge.
She was shy and did not allow me to take pictures, okay some she did allow. Anyhow we landed on the bed and everything beside anal was available.
On a certain moment she wanted to go to sleep under the blankets but I politely hinted that it was better for her rest when she would sleep in her own bed. We did not talked about money or compensation but when she left. 3 hours later, I felt that I had to compensate and gave her THB 2. 000 and 200 THB for taxi.
New Old Guy
12-03-13, 05:43
A lot of guys have thought they had bought exclusivity in making a bar girl or gogo girl into their mistress, whereas in fact she was still working doing tricks. I've had these kinds in my bedroom.Of course but depending on the type of relation one can even allow some slack. Other than that they know it's a risky game if you want to be strict and quick in giving her the boot.
New Old Guy
12-03-13, 05:48
But for them one will need your level of Thai to make an impression even as a younger guy.As opposed to working girls that do not like foreigners speaking Thai, as they are not prone to manipulation. Hi end club gaming in Thailand is not an easy game but at least is doable unlike in the West.
Guys! What curfew? There was never a curfew and there still is not one as of Tuesday at 5PM!
Wine Guy 247
12-03-13, 12:01
Visited Dr BJ at Soi 7, right at nana bts station. Great fun. Very simple, show up mid afternoon, pick from a line up (I went for a bit chubbier lower priced "nurse"). She took me up stairs, I took off my clothes, and she washed me up. Then proceeded to suck me dry. Very fast as her technique was excellent. Done in 15 minutes, offered to go again (no stamina). Cost for beer and BJ is 800 bt. Excellent choice for mid afternoon quikie, leave your wife shopping, on your way home delay? AnywAy, great technique. Highly recommended for BJ aficionados, and those with little time.
Love Bangkok!
WG
Guys! What curfew? There was never a curfew and there still is not one as of Tuesday at 5PM!There was one Sunday night 10pm to Monday morning 5am. However it was enforced only in areas affected by protests and violence.
Was at Climax last night. Expected to find our esteemed ISG patrons ordering bottle service trays of vodka, surrounded by hot semi-pros. Nothing like that at all. This place has not changed much since I last went (4 years?). It was called the Spice Club then.
Was joined at my table by 2 ladies (uninvited). Played the game, ordered a couple of rounds. 2 girls turned to 4. All were available if I was ready to "take care of them" financially and the asking price was THB 3000. Watched all of them (and others) try their luck with potential customers, and when unsuccessful they would return to my table and try their luck with me, again. It was definitely a buyers market, however the buyers had to initiate the deal 9/10 times. Lesson learned. If you like someone, walk up and talk. You snooze and you lose. Bailed out after about 2 hrs and on my way out I saw the previously occupied girl from next table, now returning from a phone call. We had been eyeing each other across tables earlier. Sealed the deal in 10 seconds flat and went back to my place. She was mixed thai-Chinese, with more Chinese than thai features. Very GF, but the sex was average. Nice company though and insisted on going out in future for dinner etc. Exchanged numbers and booted her out at 11am.
Funny story. Three MILFs took a table and ordered gin and tonic bottle service with mixers. One was giving "the look" to the guy at the next table whilst prancing around. She sent over a glass of gin tonic with the waiter to this punter. He refused to accept it, or even acknowledge the lady for trying. No thanks, just a flat out "get that drink away from here" gesturing to the confused waiter. LOL
I went in Long Gun at 9PM. It was very dead (lacking customers). Seemed like not even a shell of its former self and air was too cold. However I like one nude girl dancing so decided to stay a bit. I didn't want to show interest in case the next set of girls was better. They were. Soon customers were starting to show up. Okay The customers only arrive for the special shows that start at 9. 30PM. By 10 to 10:30. The place was buzzing. Lots of Japanese had come in and quite a few old Farangs.
Not sure why the Japanese were here. The girls were all natural looks types with no sillies and no fake noses. Expect the Japanese to favour Bacarra where girl look like ladyboys, and Cock-or-Two where they are actually Ladyboys.
I was straight away thinking several girls were really nice looking, and preferred a tall model like one 170cm, A cups but very firm and high, and medium dark skin (the Japs will not be competing for this girl) , nose upturned and just slightly too broad. She was very cute and dancing nude. 3 of them got called off the stage to change for the first show, which was cowgirls.
An old Farang managed to signal to my girl before I could, as soon as she came out in her cowgirl costume. I was cursing myself for being too slow. There are conversing and he is using his hand to point back and forward between the 2 of them (this is on opposite side of the place). Suddenly she storms off in a hurry. Looks like that had a disagreement so I am still in with a chance. The guy paid his bill and left.
I signal the girl quickly to come over for a drink, but she has to perform in the show. When she came back from the show I was surprised how friendly she was as had not even glanced toward me during the show. Turns out she is shy. Name "Wip" aged 21, only 2nd day in Long Gun (works in outdoor restaurant in Suphanburi but sales are down with the political unrest). However previously worked LG, for 1 month I think. Claims to not speak English at all. Must be the other Farang spoke to her in Thai also. I find out that she has never ever been barfined, and I will be the first. Later turned out she wasn't sure how much money she was supposed to make. LOL. I take her outside and we order some food first. I'm and trying to recover after an earlier sex session at Utopia Soapy with a very pretty Noo Naa (and expensive).
Off to the Asoke Place ST Hotel. A short wait. She does know about this place as the mamasan has told her. Turns out she doesn't want to take a shower as took one already at the bar after her show. She is a little scared. She is not a virgin but turns out I am her first bar customer and first Farang. She is surprised by Farang sized dick. What is more, apparently, she has never given a blow job, never received DATY, never played with herself and never had an orgasm. Looks like I have to be the teacher again. I tried the DATY, but she was not used to the feeling and Dan will be pleased as she preferred the hand and finger stimulation (my forte is DATY and I am better at that).
After a bit of persuasion got her to try her first BBBJ. She did it very soft and very slow so I was very pleased with her first effort. Allowed me to finger her very properly and wasn't too small so nice sex was possible. She apologized a lot for not being very good, and no experience, but I indicated I liked her a lot and was no problem. She was willing to kiss very nicely and had a tongue piercing. She used my phone to take some pictures of me and her and gave me her number. Had to give her some warnings that not all customers are nice like me, and some are very stingy. She said she might have heard something about 2K from another girl but wasn't sure. I indicated that she will definitely meet guys who want to go for less than 2K ST, but she should check with the other girls how much is fair these days.
Will take her again, despite her lack of experience. I enjoy kissing such a pretty girl a lot.
Mr Enternational
12-03-13, 22:49
They aren't semi-pros. There are some there, but note that he said that making a crazy offer won't give a good result. At places like Mixx and Levels, as opposed to Climax or Insanity, you have lots of girls who are not in the game in any way, shape or form. Educated, good jobs, but like to party and many like foreign guys. So if they are rejecting you then money won't help. I tend to go to places like Route 66 as well. These places in RCA are packed with really hot girls and maybe 2% are working. But for them one will need your level of Thai to make an impression even as a younger guy.Exactly. I met my girlfriend in a disco. Like you said she is in no way, shape, or form in the game, but likes to go out and party with her friends. She has a car, house, and condo. She makes a lot of money doing that botox stuff. She is the customer service person and her friend is the doctor. They split the money 50/50 after expenses. Last week she took me to Krabi on Bangkok Air. The only thing I paid for was the hotel and renting the motorbike for 3 days. She even paid 6000 baht for me to go diving. And when I first met her I told her that I was a player. She said as long as I am a good person to her she does not care. Seems to be working out.
Member #4387
12-03-13, 23:37
They aren't semi-pros. There are some there, but note that he said that making a crazy offer won't give a good result. At places like Mixx and Levels, as opposed to Climax or Insanity, you have lots of girls who are not in the game in any way, shape or form. Educated, good jobs, but like to party and many like foreign guys. So if they are rejecting you then money won't help. I tend to go to places like Route 66 as well. These places in RCA are packed with really hot girls and maybe 2% are working. But for them one will need your level of Thai to make an impression even as a younger guy.In the most hi so places directed more to the well off thais in BKK I pretty much agree with you and I have visited RCA area and other famous nightclubs in BKK numerous times over the years. Speaking thai probably help but I would not know as I don't (and I am not interested) speak a single word of it. Still i do fairly well with my non excisting thai(just as a heads up for people maby beeing scared away from going as they think thai skill is mandatory). My impression is many well educated beauties frequent these venues and speak good enough english so no problem at all. What is more important here is if you have game or not. Meaning if you can hit up regular girls globaly through normal mechanisms (looks, convo, charm, grooming, attitude, humor, money, selfconfidence etc etc) you will do fine here as well. Atleast i have met quite a few in my fleet of regular girls here and many of them are mixed, studied abroad, lived abroad. These are girls enjoying a very comfy life and have within reason a very nice life inn all ways. I don't need to pay them anything ofcourse but I am rather generous in the giftdepartment as I like to spend money on beauty as it makes me feel very good.
In the most hi so places directed more to the well off thais in BKK I pretty much agree with you and I have visited RCA area and other famous nightclubs in BKK numerous times over the years.I wouldn't even call RCA hi-so but mid-so. It is only hi-so because the girls that we are taking from Soi Cowboy are so far down the socio-economic chain. There is still a huge gap between RCA and top of the top.
Yesterday I was working the online dating sites and came across a girl that favorited me. I hadn't interacted with her but she was 19 and the pics were attractive. Started to chat and she said she is looking for love. Some more talking and she wanted to meet. When? Now. What will we do? She suggested we could relax. Maybe eat something. I asked if we should relax in my room in bed and she agreed. She lives by the airport and I suggested she come to the hotel around 10PM and she asked if she could stay until morning. Who am I to say no to that?
While she is on the way I noted that her profile says she is 158 and 55kg. Way heavier than my spec. But the pics don't seem to indicate this. She arrived and yes she was a large girl. She also had very full natural C-cups. I'm partial to As but I guess I can make do.
So get up to the room and kiss her. She is shy and quiet. She wants to watch TV. She is from a city in Issan. Spent her high school days in a vocational school in BKK and after a year back home, came back to BKK to study computer classes for office work. She really wanted to watch Thai TV. So I turned on the TV. Slowly we undressed. She was very compliant about my roaming hands but very focused on TV. Came time for BJ and she said she brought condoms. Assured her I have some and after BBBJ we'd use them.
She did a fair job of a BJ. She wasn't sure what she was doing but at least wasn't using her teeth! :) She had great eraser nipples on the big Cs but she was very sensitive. That would continue with DATY where I had to encourage her to hold hands with me in order to prevent her hands from pushing my head away. Tried Dan's full hand technique and still she was uncomfortable with it. Her pussy was very tight and inserting a finger was painful for her. She'd had bfs and she had just spent 10 days with a falang in Krabi. Her profile even states that she is not a virgin.
Anyway, two rounds last night. A round this morning. And off she went. Graciously provided her with 1K for the taxis. My take, she's just bored with life and looking for something to do.
Tried Dan's full hand technique and still she was uncomfortable with it. Her pussy was very tight and inserting a finger was painful for her. She'd had bfs and she had just spent 10 days with a falang in Krabi. Her profile even states that she is not a virgin.
Anyway, two rounds last night. A round this morning. And off she went. Graciously provided her with 1K for the taxis. My take, she's just bored with life and looking for something to do.I can identify somewhat having just taken a very inexperienced newbie girl. Mine had a great body though with fabulous A cups. LOL. I was surprised that her pussy self lubricated very well, before I had touched it, just after kissing.
The mind boggles. How can a finger be painful, unless she has a severe problem? If she can't take a finger, how can she possibly take a cock? :confused: No lubrication I guess? I always have a good quality Gel on hand when needed.
Name "Wip" aged 21, only 2nd day in Long Gun (works in outdoor restaurant in Suphanburi but sales are down with the political unrest). However previously worked LG, for 1 month I think. Claims to not speak English at all. Must be the other Farang spoke to her in Thai also. I find out that she has never ever been barfined, and I will be the first. Later turned out she wasn't sure how much money she was supposed to make. LOL. I take her outside and we order some food first. I'm and trying to recover after an earlier sex session at Utopia Soapy with a very pretty Noo Naa (and expensive).
Off to the Asoke Place ST Hotel. A short wait. She does know about this place as the mamasan has told her. Turns out she doesn't want to take a shower as took one already at the bar after her show. She is a little scared. She is not a virgin but turns out I am her first bar customer and first Farang. She is surprised by Farang sized dick. What is more, apparently, she has never given a blow job, never received DATY, never played with herself and never had an orgasm. Looks like I have to be the teacher again. I tried the DATY, but she was not used to the feeling and Dan will be pleased as she preferred the hand and finger stimulation (my forte is DATY and I am better at that).
After a bit of persuasion got her to try her first BBBJ. She did it very soft and very slow so I was very pleased with her first effort. Allowed me to finger her very properly and wasn't too small so nice sex was possible. She apologized a lot for not being very good, and no experience, but I indicated I liked her a lot and was no problem. She was willing to kiss very nicely and had a tongue piercing. She used my phone to take some pictures of me and her and gave me her number. Had to give her some warnings that not all customers are nice like me, and some are very stingy. She said she might have heard something about 2K from another girl but wasn't sure. I indicated that she will definitely meet guys who want to go for less than 2K ST, but she should check with the other girls how much is fair these days.
Will take her again, despite her lack of experience. I enjoy kissing such a pretty girl a lot.I can be wrong but I think you have been played the classic shy inexperienced girl trick. Tongue piercing and first BBBJ, yeah right. Purpose of it is to shorten the session the most and avoid any effort. It always go together with profuse apolologies to soften the man and switch his sexual appetite into paternal if not almost guilty feelings. Seen it before and it goes particularly well in Thailand.
However if you have enjoyed it and did not break the bank, that's all what matters.
I can identify somewhat having just taken a very inexperienced newbie girl. Mine had a great body though with fabulous A cups. LOL. I was surprised that her pussy self lubricated very well, before I had touched it, just after kissing.
The mind boggles. How can a finger be painful, unless she has a severe problem? If she can't take a finger, how can she possibly take a cock? :confused: No lubrication I guess? I always have a good quality Gel on hand when needed.Yeah, I suppose gel may have helped. The angle was also bad, like a horseshoe. Anyway, not to be repeated.
Was bored this afternoon and after having some khao pad next to New Wave I wandered into BG. In the past 4-5 years I've been there once, just looking. Sat and ordered a diet coke and took in the scene. Interesting scene, though not many to my liking. Did end up with a cheerful 31 year old with nice a-cups. Didn't want to bring her to my hotel so went to World Inn. Told her two shots in an hour she gets 1500. 5 shots in two and she gets 3000. She was plenty happy with the 1500.
To be frank I don't pay that much attention to the music but atleast Climax and Spasso have livebands playing. Spasso play more oldies goldies but you find also that afew times at Climax (but rather loud). Other mentioned venues do almost an all in new age style of music (ofcourse with exceptions) which of much I do not listen to in my freetime but as stated I realy don't care about the music (only girls). Quite some time since I visited Bangkok Beat but I do remember they also had a liveband quite decent (ofcourse that could have changed). Sorry I could not be of more help.Music at these places. Bad cover bands. Would rather listen to a wolverine vomit. Absolutely kills the mood to see gals "enjoying" this insipid crap. Makes my p*ecker wilt. Any band that does not play songs it writes is not worth my time.
I've been mongering in Thailand for the thick end of 25 years and thank goodness for that with the current prices being quoted.
Even as recent as 2010 I was easily able to hire a very pretty GoGo girl all night for 2000 Baht be it Bangkok or Pattaya, alright I did have one or two try their luck for 3000 but we soon agreed a compromise closer to my ceiling. Now I'm hearing stories of girls asking 3-5000 on top of a bar fine. FFS this is outrageous.
My many expat friends living in the Big Mango place the blame fairly & squarely on the sex tourists from China, Japan & Korea, they claim without the patronage of these nations Nana Plaza prices would be much more appropriate to our expectations.With you 100% on this posting. It is outrageous.
I can be wrong but I think you have been played the classic shy inexperienced girl trick. Tongue piercing and first BBBJ, yeah right. Purpose of it is to shorten the session the most and avoid any effort. It always go together with profuse apolologies to soften the man and switch his sexual appetite into paternal if not almost guilty feelings. Seen it before and it goes particularly well in Thailand.
However if you have enjoyed it and did not break the bank, that's all what matters.Yes you can be wrong, you sceptical so-and-so. I have 20 years experience in Thailand and I have normally have some suspicion if I am being played. The girl did not seem smart / sophisticated enough to be that good an actress. She did not even speak English beyond the most elementary phrase. Again she could have been just pretending to not understand things said in English. First time I ever met a newbie girl that professed to have little clue how much money the customer was supposed to pay her for a ST. An unscrupulous customer could easily have taken advantage of her.
Piercings of tongues in Thailand is a fashion. Its not related to giving BBBJs. Girls are generally far too shy to do something that would announce she is into giving the best BJs. Its is still possible she told a little white lie about never having done a BJ before (it wasn't too bad for a beginner), however did not detect anything else that seemed at all untruthful or devious.
I took the girl a 2nd time today, and her performance improved significantly. She is learning fast. We are starting to like each other. I don't see any act from her at all. The way she talks about her family and what she will be doing for father's day tomorrow, I can tell that she is a very sweet and very honest girl. I was impressed. She is starting to get into the sex now where was a lot more reserved the first time. Was willing to try a few things she had seen on X video. You can tell when I girl is getting turned on when they grab you by the hips and start pulling you into them as they get close. Did not happen on first booking. The sex session went a long time today and she was energetic. No sign of laziness. I could tell that originally from the way she danced that she is not lazy.
She explained that all her previous Thai partners never lasted long enough for her to really enjoy that much, so long duration slow sex was definitely more to her liking. She is a very nice DFK kisser now, but started off a little more shyly on first meeting.
I reckon after this girls get a little more experience, she will be a super bargirl. However the chemistry matters a lot. She is definitely for Farangs as skin is dark, but still very pretty despite that.
Finally, I reckon that if the girl was a great actress, she would try to be fairly consistent from one day to another. This girl however showed a very large change from one day to the next, which reflects her original shyness which is fast evaporating as the chemistry builds. She is either totally for real, or the most stunning actress of all time I have encountered. I could not detect the slightest hint of anything fake at all. A straight forward fun-loving girl.
Fellow Mongers,
I have been mongerin' all over latin america and my home the USA for some time now. Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Colombia, Ecuador (where I was born). I have contributing posts in the respective countries. My fav of all time is Medellin. Been there 4 times. Tryin to do Peru the summer 2014.
But before I go to Peru. I want to hit up a asian country. I do a lot of MP in the states like Dallas TX, California just so I can get my asian fix. Mainly Korean and Thai beauties and some Chinese.
So my questions is which asian country do I go too. My main countries I'm looking at are Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia.
I don't really have a body type that I prefer. I usually like spinners with a little curves and thick girl with Phat booties. My requirements to going to a asian country is:
Price of serivces, GFE, and convenience of going from one place to the other for service. I like to do multiple pops a day. Thats why I like go to Medellin. (go from brothel to brothel then to the centro strip club) Love it!
Where do I get more bang for my buck? Correct me if I'm wrong. Thailand seems to have a lot of MP and bars which I like, but you end up pay $80 US for for an hour so. I might as well stay in the states.
The Philippines has a lot of skinny ladies with no shape. But the appeal of the ladies knowing some english does help.
I don't know what I get with the Indonesian chicks.
I would like to do all-nighters on this trip. Which place is better for this?
Please guys help a fellow mongerer out!
Fellow Mongers,
I have been mongerin' all over latin america and my home the USA for some time now. Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Colombia, Ecuador (where I was born). I have contributing posts in the respective countries. My fav of all time is Medellin. Been there 4 times. Tryin to do Peru the summer 2014.
So my questions is which asian country do I go too. My main countries I'm looking at are Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia.
Go Thailand and you will fnd a lot of FL going for 57/00 to 1000/1500 ST, repeat many times a day and you get what you want.
Not much different for Philipines, from what I read.
Then each one has hos own preferences.
Just to assure you that Thjailand is not only gogo or bar of MP (FL / SW are the only one left. Other than those)
Thanks bro. Street walkers? Then I have to worry about STD's. Or do I?
Go Thailand and you will fnd a lot of FL going for 57/00 to 1000/1500 ST, repeat many times a day and you get what you want.
Not much different for Philipines, from what I read.
Then each one has hos own preferences.
Just to assure you that Thjailand is not only gogo or bar of MP (FL / SW are the only one left. Other than those)
Thanks bro. Street walkers? Then I have to worry about STD's. Or do I?Gogo girls or bar girls give the same degree of risk.
The genearal rule is "stay protected". After 2am in BKK Nanan area, there are quite some gogo girls FL in the vicinity.PS: I am a single son, so I dont have "bro's".
Thanks son!
Gogo girls or bar girls give the same degree of risk.
The genearal rule is "stay protected". After 2am in BKK Nanan area, there are quite some gogo girls FL in the vicinity. PS: I am a single son, so I don't have "bro's".
Reiner Otto
12-05-13, 00:22
Fellow Mongers,
Thailand seems to have a lot of MP and bars which I like, but you end up pay $80 US for for an hour so.Freelancer on Beach Road, BJ. 30 minutes in my hotel: approx. $18.
Girl from Bar on Soi 6, expert in BBBJ. 1h, $35 for her plus $10 for the room.
Girl from beer bar on Walking Street, all night: $50 for her + 20$ barfine.
Top girl (a real stunner) from top gogo on Walking Street, all night: $130 for her plus $50 barfine, because I picked her up about 22:00 already.
Take your choice.
Now thats what I'm talking about! Thanks man.
Freelancer on Beach Road, BJ. 30 minutes in my hotel: approx. $18.
Girl from Bar on Soi 6, expert in BBBJ. 1h, $35 for her plus $10 for the room.
Girl from beer bar on Walking Street, all night: $50 for her + 20$ barfine.
Top girl (a real stunner) from top gogo on Walking Street, all night: $130 for her plus $50 barfine, because I picked her up about 22:00 already.
Take your choice.
Now thats what I'm talking about! Thanks man.Not to rain on your parade, but a bit of perspective may be in order. You appear to be used to Colombianas. Colombia certainly has some of the most beautiful women in the world.
The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.
My point is that your $18 Beach Road ladies, the BJ experts on Soi 6, and almost any girl plying her trade in a Pattaya beer bar, will not hold a candle to your Colombianas. By all means have fun, but keep your expectations grounded in reality. The days of having a gorgeous go-go girl all night for $50 are long gone.
The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.I am not so sure about this. Maybe some deterioration due to pretty girls decisions to work Coyote instead. However look at your pics of bar girls you took in the distant past. Are they all stunning? In my case I think some were just not good enough. We get older and fussier.
I was always choosing the best lookers available to my taste. It's true there is a bit too much fake tits and noses these days. So I do see some deterioration but limited. Perhaps the number of girls with really well toned bodies has decreased but faces are similar to years ago.
I have been really happy with recent bargirls chosen except one, who really looked good but was a sea fish type of fuck. Even most newbie girls have shown good attitude. Older girls have been very expert.
When we are always choosing the best girl available, to our taste, its very hard to objectively assess the entire bunch.
I am arriving in Bangkok Thailand in a couple of weeks. Can someone living or staying in Bangkok give me an update on the protesting that is going on. Any info is greatly appreciated. Places to stay away from etc etc.
Not to rain on your parade, but a bit of perspective may be in order. You appear to be used to Colombianas. Colombia certainly has some of the most beautiful women in the world.
The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.
My point is that your $18 Beach Road ladies, the BJ experts on Soi 6, and almost any girl plying her trade in a Pattaya beer bar, will not hold a candle to your Colombianas. By all means have fun, but keep your expectations grounded in reality. The days of having a gorgeous go-go girl all night for $50 are long gone.Correct you are. Sad it is.
I have been really happy with recent bargirls chosen except one, who really looked good but was a sea fish type of fuck.I really hate the forum software. I tried to write "dead fish" and it got changed to "sea fish". Every time I write "Mamasan" it gets changed to "Mamas an". The software spelling masher is really ridiculous.
Not to rain on your parade, but a bit of perspective may be in order. You appear to be used to Colombianas. Colombia certainly has some of the most beautiful women in the world.
The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.
My point is that your $18 Beach Road ladies, the BJ experts on Soi 6, and almost any girl plying her trade in a Pattaya beer bar, will not hold a candle to your Colombianas. By all means have fun, but keep your expectations grounded in reality. The days of having a gorgeous go-go girl all night for $50 are long gone.I have been to Colombia multiple times and would return for sure. This being said I found that there, really good looking women of good attitude and available are few and in between. That even before considering money. Really the same as any other good destination.
The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.This is 100% true, unfortunately.
I have been to Colombia multiple times and would return for sure. This being said I found that there, really good looking women of good attitude and available are few and in between. That even before considering money. Really the same as any other good destination.In my experience Latin girls are the absolute best when it comes to average standard of service. Most seem to be well above average. Yes of course that is countered by not all of them being so stunning. Thai working girls in general possibly compete on looks, but lose on average standard of service.
I've had a lot of experience with latin women from all over. 9 times out of 10 the real lookers don't provide great service. But thats only true if its a quick fuck. Like the casas in Medellin.
If you hit it off with the provider, make her laugh and such. You might get really good service. On the other side the average or thick looking provider generally alway give great service. This rings true everywhere!
Looks like for my fisrt trip to asia well be phi and maybe a short trip to BKK. I'm going to go for 10 days. Should be enough time.
Thank you everyone for your intel!
In my experience Latin girls are the absolute best when it comes to average standard of service. Most seem to be well above average. Yes of course that is countered by not all of them being so stunning. Thai working girls in general possibly compete on looks, but lose on average standard of service.
I am arriving in Bangkok Thailand in a couple of weeks. Can someone living or staying in Bangkok give me an update on the protesting that is going on. Any info is greatly appreciated. Places to stay away from etc etc.What protesting? No protesting today. Check back tomorrow.
In my experience Latin girls are the absolute best when it comes to average standard of service. Most seem to be well above average. Yes of course that is countered by not all of them being so stunning. Thai working girls in general possibly compete on looks, but lose on average standard of service.Agreed. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but these days, for looks / service / attitude / overall value for money, Mexico is a better choice.
I still regularly visit LOS but it's no longer for the bar scene.
I've had a lot of experience with latin women from all over. 9 times out of 10 the real lookers don't provide great service. But thats only true if its a quick fuck. Like the casas in Medellin.Of you won't get good service for a quick fuck. Don't blame her looks.
If you hit it off with the provider, make her laugh and such. You might get really good service. On the other side the average or thick looking provider generally alway give great service. This rings true everywhere!Doesn't ring true for me. I don't try the really ugly ones so will never know how they perform. I am getting very good service from some lookers from various countries including latin girls. I have experienced very few latin girls that were able to give a bad service, unless was something like her BBBJ was too firm and toothy, but normally latin girls have good attitude and know how to move during sex.
PoulDotPinto
12-05-13, 18:47
Hello friends,
What is the concept behind go go bar.
How it is good for newbie.
What should we go for.
Today is father's day, King's Birthday, but bars are open. Was able to take Noi although she warned me she was at the end of her period.
Had to get her to remove the sponge ("lady guard") as I feel it only 3 inches deep in there and my dick is certainly a lot bigger than that. Some guys can fuck a girl with a sponge but I cannot. She is quite tight already normally.
Good session even though I had a few problems with a foot cramp and a bad tickle in the throat. She is a top girl and makes sure I have a good time no matter what. I didn't actually see any blood at all. She had thoroughly cleaned first.
Back to the bar for a few drinks after the ST. Mamasan is starting to hassle me too much. I make a note that I should not be nice to the mamasan or I won't be able to get rid of her. Mamasan soon goes back to her duties when the big boss is in. Bosses friend seems to like Noi too and is trying to get her. She probably is refusing some customers due to the period, thinking that most guys can't tolerate it.
A young handsome man has BFed another girl but then he spots Noi dancing nude, and is wanting to take Noi as well. However Noi normally refuses to do doubles. Her ass has that affect on guys. I notice that nearly all the best asses in the street are probably on the Coyote girls, although its tough to rate an ass properly when it is covered. DollHouse has 4 Coyote girls (better looking girls) that dance often out the front of the shop. I believe they are BFable although possibly 1K BF.
Noi is telling me that she is so unlucky because she has too many customers or potential customers, and has to knock some back. One of her customers did not even want her to work tonight, but she agreed to after I rang her at 6PM and was warned about the period remnants.
When I sit at the hamburger bar on the end of Cowboy I do see some real stunning girls go past at times some times with a man / customer. I often wonder which bar they came out of or are heading to.
Probably back to my Long Gun newbie Wip tomorrow to continue her training. She did not work today as wanted to do something special with her dad for father's day. I hope he doesn't find out that Wip got the money 90% by fucking me. When I first met her, I saw that her purse was completely empty. After two STs with me she could afford a family outing today. Wip does not have the same skills as Noi, but her attitude is good, chemistry is good and she is learning fast. I perform a service by helping to train up young girls LOL. Its fun work when the girl is also quite pretty.
Overall I am still liking Cowboy, and a few stunning girls are around, despite the prevalence of Coyote bars, and Ladyboy bars Cock-or-two and 5-Star (partial). Wish I had time to find out more about more of the bars and where all the hotties come from.
Beer Monger
12-06-13, 00:08
I've had a lot of experience with latin women from all over. 9 times out of 10 the real lookers don't provide great service. But thats only true if its a quick fuck. Like the casas in Medellin.
Thank you everyone for your intel!Medellin may be different but I've had some great experiences in Bogota! Looking forward to my first BKK trip next month!
Agreed. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but these days, for looks / service / attitude / overall value for money, Mexico is a better choice.
I still regularly visit LOS but it's no longer for the bar scene.Interesting. I have not been to Mexico since moving to LOS in the late 90s. Are you talking TX border towns?
Interesting. I have not been to Mexico since moving to LOS in the late 90s. Are you talking TX border towns?Believe it or not, Tijuana. I've never been to one of the TX border towns.
Most of the younger girls (18. 25) range from a 6 to a 9, prices for the bar girls are generally less than BKK, sometimes substantially so (although LT is much more difficult to arrange) and many of the girls are very good at what they do.
I pretty much stick to "older" semi-pro freelancers these days when visiting Tijuana. I find their company more enjoyable.
Believe it or not, Tijuana. I've never been to one of the TX border towns.
Most of the younger girls (18. 25) range from a 6 to a 9, prices for the bar girls are generally less than BKK, sometimes substantially so (although LT is much more difficult to arrange) and many of the girls are very good at what they do.
I pretty much stick to "older" semi-pro freelancers these days when visiting Tijuana. I find their company more enjoyable.I have been to Tijuana once many years ago. Was not very impressed at the time with the looks standard but could well have been in the wrong place. The language of the girls was very course making it all sound very low class.
Johnthescot
12-06-13, 05:50
Arriving Bangkok tomorrow, staying in Fraser suites (looks nice). Always stay soi 11. Love the bars and clubs. Then View Talay in Pattaya for 3 weeks.
As I said before, bit disappointed by the chat here. Been 3 years. And still the same arrogant twats here, different names but same shit. Hundreds / thousands of posts, arguing abut nothing. Really think a lot of the posters with hundreds posts have either never been or just like talking about their one trip.
Sorry for being weird but first trip in 3 years. Used to be a poster but jut see guys that are all mouth here now.
Tell stories, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Thats why we read this. Loved that guy Kumbu? Willl do my best to contribute like that. Rather than the shite I see on here. Make an effort guys.
If you talk about it, then you haven't done it. Prob live in England and fantasise.
Hey ho. .
JohnTheScot.
Ok,
Johnthescot
12-06-13, 06:06
Just really annoyed as I think last night and wanted to go.
Arriving Bangkok tomorrow, staying in Fraser suites (looks nice). Always stay soi 11. Love the bars and clubs. Then View Talay in Pattaya for 3 weeks.
As I said before, bit disappointed by the chat here. Been 3 years. And still the same arrogant twats here, different names but same shit. Hundreds / thousands of posts, arguing abut nothing. Really think a lot of the posters with hundreds posts have either never been or just like talking about their one trip.
Sorry for being weird but first trip in 3 years. Used to be a poster but jut see guys that are all mouth here now.
Tell stories, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Thats why we read this. Loved that guy Kumbu? Willl do my best to contribute like that. Rather than the shite I see on here. Make an effort guys.
If you talk about it, then you haven't done it. Prob live in England and fantasise.
Hey ho. .
JohnTheScot.
Ok,
Believe it or not, Tijuana. I've never been to one of the TX border towns.
Most of the younger girls (18. 25) range from a 6 to a 9, prices for the bar girls are generally less than BKK, sometimes substantially so (although LT is much more difficult to arrange) and many of the girls are very good at what they do.
I pretty much stick to "older" semi-pro freelancers these days when visiting Tijuana. I find their company more enjoyable.Had great times in Juarez in the 90s. Other TX border towns as well. When I moved to BKK, in '99, BKK blew those places away for the most part. Now, meh, well not same same.
Nice thing about Tijuana is that you can live in San Diego.
The language of the girls was very course making it all sound very low class.That is exactly the way I feel now when I hear a bunch of loud Isaan bar girls talking. Low class.
Arriving Bangkok tomorrow, staying in Fraser suites (looks nice). Always stay soi 11. Love the bars and clubs. Then View Talay in Pattaya for 3 weeks.
As I said before, bit disappointed by the chat here. Been 3 years. And still the same arrogant twats here, different names but same shit. Hundreds / thousands of posts, arguing abut nothing. Really think a lot of the posters with hundreds posts have either never been or just like talking about their one trip.
Sorry for being weird but first trip in 3 years. Used to be a poster but jut see guys that are all mouth here now.
Tell stories, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Thats why we read this. Loved that guy Kumbu? Willl do my best to contribute like that. Rather than the shite I see on here. Make an effort guys.
If you talk about it, then you haven't done it. Prob live in England and fantasise.
Hey ho. .
JohnTheScot.
Ok, What's eating you? The Thailand forum has always been filled with a lot of guys with huge negativity, and now you are a bit negative yourself. Most of us got used to that. Some other region forums are a lot better, some forums in other languages are also better.
Like you, I would like to see a lot more experience detail reports of guys having fun, where they had it, and with who, and why it was so good. Not all can be expert writers like Kumbu. Guys who write detailed reports often get knocked by the snipers. E. G. Scorchin's needless snipe at Skogis detail report, when he writes so much twaddle himself and very little experience detail that would even hint he is actually in Thailand having live experiences.
Your last statement "If you talk it." seems to be contradicting everything previous. Seems to suggest if guys had an interesting experience, they should not write about it, as everything written is just fantasy. Perhaps that wasn't your meaning? I also get surprised by high volume of posts from guys that are not actually here, perhaps some have been here recently. My posting drops away dramatically when I am not here as have no experiences to report.
Anyway let's all try to set a good example with detailed experience reports, that may help on where to find a good time mongering. I certainly try to, although I get boring due to repeating similar girls many times.
I have been to Tijuana once many years ago. Was not very impressed at the time with the looks standard but could well have been in the wrong place. The language of the girls was very course making it all sound very low class.Dude! You were in a bar. Did you expect genteel conversation from Mexican hookers? :-D LOL.
Just yanking your chain a bit. Yes, the Spanish is a bit coarse, but the Thai in Nana Plaza is certainly no better.
These days, many of the semi-pros leave their Thai sisters in the dust, looks-wise. Also, these days, the girls in the Hong Kong club put the Thai girls to shame in looks and dancing ability. As with all places, the service levels with the hotties varies all over the place.
Had great times in Juarez in the 90s. Other TX border towns as well. When I moved to BKK, in '99, BKK blew those places away for the most part. Now, meh, well not same same.
Nice thing about Tijuana is that you can live in San Diego.Juarez is a war zone now. The murder rate is just staggering.
My first trip to BKK was in '99 and, yes, there was absolutely nothing in Tijuana that came close to Thailand. But, the worm appears to have turned, or is in the process of doing so. I try to keep things in perspective, and I hate the guys that sit around and tell you how much better things were in the old days. BKK is still fun, but it seems a lot of the "sanuk" has gone out of the scene.
Agreed. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but these days, for looks / service / attitude / overall value for money, Mexico is a better choice.
As you pointed out that is an huge statement. My last time in Tijuana was unbearable, the misery and predatory attitude is really hard to deal with. Sure Mexico is bigger than that but knowing what the cost of life is I don't see how one can compare to Thailand. You can have a great night out for $100, that is not much in Mexico. There are no clean $15 guesthouses but there is a lot more drugs and violence
Then there are so many things I can't stand, and I speak almost perfect spanish. Yes the exoticism of Thailand has faded for me too but still better than most other places.
Also, these days, the girls in the Hong Kong club put the Thai girls to shame in looks and dancing ability. As with all places, the service levels with the hotties varies all over the place.What girls in what Hong Kong clubs?
What girls in what Hong Kong clubs?It seems the debate here is BKK vs. Tijuana (where the Hong Kong club is).
With no flaming intention I think it gets endless if we start to compare one place with. Thousand of other ones. If not why not comparing with Macau, with Singapore, with NYC, with Rio, Shangai, KL, nd so on and so on.
dude! you were in a bar. did you expect genteel conversation from mexican hookers? :-d lol.
just yanking your chain a bit. yes, the spanish is a bit coarse, but the thai in nana plaza is certainly no better.
these days, many of the semi-pros leave their thai sisters in the dust, looks-wise. also, these days, the girls in the hong kong club put the thai girls to shame in looks and dancing ability. as with all places, the service levels with the hotties varies all over the place.i don't speak spanish. the english was ugly from those mexican girls. you know the "fuck fucky sucky sucky" type of stuff. thai girls speech is a more refined when they speak english, and even more so when the speak thai.
i think looks thing varies depending on personal taste. hong kong looks are usually not for me.
i have seen some georgous mex girls in movies although none seem to be very well known except maybe salma hayek (who is not really my spec) , but not so many in tijuana.
anyway, in the end, thailand is so different, its not worth comparing to mexico, i'm sure. comparison to other parts of asia makes more sense. thai girls working in europe for same prices as european girls, are still popular since they are known for good gfe service. chinese girls working in europe are generally a lot less popular due to ordinary looks and service. the good looking ones are somewhere else.
I am amazed at how many recent posts on this thread are only very peripherally relayed to Bangkok, Thailand.
I thought there were other threads available to talk about HK, Tijuana, Mexico in general etc.
As someone who wants information about BKK prior to my next visit, I struggle to glean adequate updates from RTFF (recent posts). At least there was some recent updates about Cowboy.
Rather sadly this thread, as well as the threads about MPs, seem to be rather off-topic.
Perhaps it's posters' way of saying BKK is dead right now and they have to chat on about other places or days gone by in order to keep the thread active?
It is not a stupid or pointless debate at all. It's an unavoidable conondrum when you want a sure good outcome for your trip.
It also funny to debate because the cultures are ar their exact opposites rhen you find the unexpected similarity. For example rhe 100 pipers whiskey I have only found popular in Thailand and Argentina, WTF?
Years ago I was sitting with Jackson in Buenos Aires commenting on the smelly shithole that Asia was. Guess where I am now.
All I say is that if you have been to a place but not the other, you should really stimulates your senses with a chanve.
I am amazed at how many recent posts on this thread are only very peripherally relayed to Bangkok, Thailand.
I thought there were other threads available to talk about HK, Tijuana, Mexico in general etc.
As someone who wants information about BKK prior to my next visit, I struggle to glean adequate updates from RTFF (recent posts). At least there was some recent updates about Cowboy.
Rather sadly this thread, as well as the threads about MPs, seem to be rather off-topic.
Perhaps it's posters' way of saying BKK is dead right now and they have to chat on about other places or days gone by in order to keep the thread active?Sorry if the forum does not respond to your expectations but what is that you want exactly? And where are you?
You have daily updates and the general situation by going back just few pages. Or you think we can describe howw each Thai lady pussy looks, smell and costs? Go ahead do your findings spend your money then report or move but don'f whine if few postings are not just about your daily fix.
Juarez is a war zone now. The murder rate is just staggering.
My first trip to BKK was in '99 and, yes, there was absolutely nothing in Tijuana that came close to Thailand. But, the worm appears to have turned, or is in the process of doing so. I try to keep things in perspective, and I hate the guys that sit around and tell you how much better things were in the old days. BKK is still fun, but it seems a lot of the "sanuk" has gone out of the scene.Yep, the "sanuk" is gone. Much of that due to the social order crackdown and the better economy, oh and there are a lot more young farang dudes around as well.
It seems the debate here is BKK vs. TijuanaApples and Oranges!
Sorry if the forum does not respond to your expectations but what is that you want exactly?A bit of overkill in your response Marcos. You must have extra testosterone to burn off.
All I did was draw attention, albeit politely, to the creeping "off-topic' nature of the various Thailand boards. I was merely perplexed that guys wanted to discuss the ins and outs of other places on the BKK board when threads about those destinations are available elsewhere.
What do I want exactly?
Just up-to-date stories and anecdotes, experiences (good and bad) , information, details, etc that relate to Bangkok. Not an unreasonable expectation to have for a board headed "Bangkok Reports"
The other threads that I follow in addition to Thailand (HK, Philippines, Laos, Cambodia and Mongolia) tend to stick to topic far better but anyway, it's no big deal. Posters will still do whatever they want.
Sorry if the forum does not respond to your expectations but what is that you want exactly? And where are you?
You have daily updates and the general situation by going back just few pages. Or you think we can describe howw each Thai lady pussy looks, smell and costs? Go ahead do your findings spend your money then report or move but don'f whine if few postings are not just about your daily fix.From my side I wish to read infos on BKK.
If I want to read about Tijuana I go on the Tijuana forums.
If somebody wants to debate about Tijuana vs BKK he should address this in the Thailand general thread but as I said, then we should also debtae BKKK vs. Singapore, vs macau and so on and so on.
Diluting the specific information on the thread title will favour the class managers to whom we answer RTFF: what the hell will they learn by RTFF if it is "polluted" by references on Tijuana?
As an alterntive one can always opne his own "user forum" and can open a debate of whatsoever topic
Hopefully many more Japanese will soon be pulling out of the NEP & SC gogos, Bangkok & LOS in general:
http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/thai-unrest-has-japanese-firms-worried-about-future
"Unstable government, flooding, minute decisions on immigration and other important matters, crime, higher wages. The list goes on and on. Unless someone responsible takes control the gravy train will come to a stop. Too many other countries with open arms."
"New minimum wage that is far above what people in Cambodia or Myanmar or Vietnam are paid, and there is the perfect storm.
"Many see those Vietnamese girls as absolutely stunning. Perhaps the sexiest in SEA. The Japanese men can easily make due with eager Viet girls. No worries."
"Would be interesting to see if countries such as Japan shift out of Thailand due to the lapdog status of Thailand with regards to China. If so, that is going to cost Thailand big time. If you are close friends with a bully, people tend to avoid you. I suspect Cambodia, Myanmar, and Vietnam are rubbing their hands with glee. And yes, Vietnam girls are stunning. The Japanese mid level workers will be fighting to be posted there for work.
"And if the Thais are going to continue being best buddies with Beijing, the Japanese are likely to take their business to places where the government isn't in bed with the Japan-hating CCP.
"And if that happens, bye bye civilized Thailand, Hello again 3rd world country"
"If they continue to reinvest in Thailand and trust the Thai promises, they are fools."
How well do guys manage with Bangkok bargirls, if they have no English at all?
I mean if the bargirl cannot even say "How much will you pay me?" can it all be done with sign language, or is a mamasan needed to translate and help reach an agreement?
I suspect my newbie bargirl probably doesn't even know what a "Blow Job" is (in English that is) , although sign language could work okay. We actually had a very nice 69. Fortunately with me there is no problem, as we converse in Thai only. However I worry how she will cope with other customers. I have established that she likes sex though.
I already worry though that she is getting too attached, as on good-bye today she suggested I should avoid playing up with other ladies. Ha Ha! Not the first time have heard this from a bargirl LOL. I also worry that I should teach this girl a lot of things that are useful for bargirls to know.
How well do guys manage with Bangkok bargirls, if they have no English at all? I already worry though that she is getting too attached, as on good-bye today she suggested I should avoid playing up with other ladies. Ha Ha! Not the first time have heard this from a bargirl LOL. I also worry that I should teach this girl a lot of things that are useful for bargirls to know.Buy her the English for Thai bar girls handbook! And teach her first the word butterfly.
Crocodilexp
12-06-13, 20:25
The novelty is exactly why I would go for a haircut with some type of massage or sexual activity to go along with it, Chinaton hookers? Please do share I was not aware of this previously do you have any details?Sorry for the late reply.
As for Chinatown, there are tons of street hookers around Wong Wian 22 (the traffic circle) , and Mit Phan / Maitri Chit roads going from it, and then Charoen Krung for the small stretch from Mit Phan corner. All times of day or night. Going rate 300-600. See map: http://goo.gl/maps/NCZ26
The area around Phadung Dao (the busy street with open-air seafood places on the corner with Yaowarat) also has quite a few sex workers, especially in the small side street to the right (going from Yaowarat). More active in the daytime. Broadway hotel (right beside / behind the corner seafood place, see http://goo.gl/maps/uLAHF) has Chinese hookers (going rate: 400).
Another major low-budget area is south of Rachadamnoen Road (parallel with Khao San Road) http://goo.gl/maps/r72ua.
None of these are set up for Farang, service tends to be abysmal and ST rooms dinky & unclean. You almost certainly won't enjoy the sex, but you might get some thrills from the hunt.
As for a haircut sex place, that's not really a Thai thing (more like Vietnamese / Korean) , but for the record, I've been offered sex at a hairdresser on Sutthisan Road 100m from Phaya Thai Road intersection (near the Thai-oriented naughty bar area). Haven't tried.
Buy her the English for Thai bar girls handbook! And teach her first the word butterfly.Thanks good idea. I had forgotten that book.
As you pointed out that is an huge statement. My last time in Tijuana was unbearable, the misery and predatory attitude is really hard to deal with. Sure Mexico is bigger than that but knowing what the cost of life is I don't see how one can compare to Thailand. You can have a great night out for $100, that is not much in Mexico. There are no clean $15 guesthouses but there is a lot more drugs and violence.
Then there are so many things I can't stand, and I speak almost perfect spanish. Yes the exoticism of Thailand has faded for me too but still better than most other places.When was the last time you were there? 2008 and 2009 were some pretty dark days, indeed. Much of that was due to the USA but that's another story. But now the economy is much better than before and Tijuana has really reinvented itself. It's now a serious foodie destination (who knew?) , the "regular" nightlife is a lot of very reasonably priced fun, there are a lot of freelancers and semi-pros around. It's certainly not BKK but you'd be surprised if you saw it today.
It seems the debate here is BKK vs. Tijuana (where the Hong Kong club is).
With no flaming intention I think it gets endless if we start to compare one place with. Thousand of other ones. If not why not comparing with Macau, with Singapore, with NYC, with Rio, Shangai, KL, nd so on and so on.The original point was not to compare BKK and Tijuana. I've been a fan of LOS for many years. My point to Mr. Goat was that, value for money, Tijuana is now a better option than BKK, as least as far as p4p goes. I happen to live in SoCal. Obviously if I lived in Europe things would be different. I never thought I'd ever think that. But both places have changed. A lot. IMHO the looks, service and value in the BKK bars have declined to the point that I don't go to them anymore. I still go to LOS regularly, just not for the bars.
I think looks thing varies depending on personal taste. Hong Kong looks are usually not for me.Just a quick clarification. The Hong Kong club is a large strip club in Tijuana's red light district. It's basically an American strip club that plays by Mexican contact rules. Lots of very pretty girls dancing and running around in various states of undress. Lots of touching, groping, etc, for a $1 tip. I'm not big on strip clubs, but if one likes them, there are few anywhere that can compare.
It's a bit like the go-gos in BKK used to be 10 or 15 years ago.
Johnthescot
12-07-13, 03:50
Hey folks. Arriving in Bangkok on Sunday afternoon. Staying in Fraser Suits on Soi 11. So will be hanging round the usual haunts, Beergarden, Nana, Cowboy etc. Would be cool to meet up with some guys for a few beers to start my trip off. Not a newbie so you don't have to look after me. Haha.
John
I still go to LOS regularly, just not for the bars.I live here and think I have been in Cowboy once this year. The bars are overpriced and no fun. If I want to shag, I go to an oily. If I want to drink, I go out to places where I can see really great looking women or a couple of places where I can get good craft beer.
Beer Monger
12-07-13, 05:40
I live here and think I have been in Cowboy once this year. The bars are overpriced and no fun. If I want to shag, I go to an oily. If I want to drink, I go out to places where I can see really great looking women or a couple of places where I can get good craft beer.Hey Goat,
Where are these craft beer bars you speak of. I am probably going to just be using oilies myself, so a good beer place would be great to find. Sorry to be off topic.
Beconn Reconn
12-07-13, 06:01
I live here and think I have been in Cowboy once this year. The bars are overpriced and no fun. If I want to shag, I go to an oily. If I want to drink, I go out to places where I can see really great looking women or a couple of places where I can get good craft beer.Would you mind sharing with the group where those two types of places are? I'll be making my first trip to BKK in a couple of weeks, and of course will spend a couple days taking in the normal Cowboy and Nana sights, but would love to partake in some of the great places you've found.
I live here and think I have been in Cowboy once this year. The bars are overpriced and no fun. If I want to shag, I go to an oily. If I want to drink, I go out to places where I can see really great looking women or a couple of places where I can get good craft beer.Each to their own. The bars give me a great opportunity to look at a large line up of girls naked, check the chemistry, and select a girl that will be a real turn on. Other than long term favourites, its a bit difficult to find girls that look as good in the oilies, and you cannot see the bodies properly either. It costs slightly more than an Oily, but am having some fun. I will often instead go to a soapy when I know I can get a superior looking girl, even though may be costing me.
E. G. For me for a long time at Mango, Cat was the only one cute enough to consider. So my problem is I just don't want to fuck ordinary looking girls. They need to be well above average.
Each to their own. The bars give me a great opportunity to look at a large line up of girls naked, check the chemistry, and select a girl that will be a real turn on. Other than long term favourites, its a bit difficult to find girls that look as good in the oilies, and you cannot see the bodies properly either. It costs slightly more than an Oily, but am having some fun. I will often instead go to a soapy when I know I can get a superior looking girl, even though may be costing me.
E. G. For me for a long time at Mango, Cat was the only one cute enough to consider. So my problem is I just don't want to fuck ordinary looking girls. They need to be well above average.I do find soapy girls to have superior looks, but I find almost nothing I like in gogos. Most of the gals there are a bit too "jungle" for my liking. I prefer lighter skin and just not a fan of the Isaan look. I also find the behavior of the gals in the gogos to be a bit of a turn off. Last thing I want to do is sit and attempt to interact with a gal who finished the Po 6 or 6th grade. Also as my Thai gets better and better, I find their banter amazingly irritating. But, as you said, to each his own.
I like to go, grab a gal, head up, have a nasty 90 min and then leave. I get my interaction with my girlfriend.
A large percentage of the gals in the oilies come from Isaan as well, but from Nakhon Panom where the girls are a bit fairer due to the Lao and I believe a bit of Viet influence.
Given a choice I would always opt for gals from CNX or BKK.
My Long Gun girl was away sick, Doll House girl busy, and Crazy House girl not at work. I liked another girl at Long Gun but she seemed to have a customer already.
For something different I went into Shark today. Its similar to Baccara girls but worse I think. Mostly lighter skin girls. A lot of post-op girls in there that look like ladyboys. Many with strange noses trying to look like Farangs. A lot of girls very plain or ugly to my taste. Some awful boob jobs too. It admittedly was 11PM which is a bit late but only saw about 3 or 4 girls that had acceptable pretty and natural looks. Called one over for a chat with very white skin. She was Isaan girl from Roi Et and claimed it was her very first day so did not know that much. Did not look that special close up but apparently all natural. She had bad breath which put me off pretty quickly.
Nearly went into Cowboy 2 and then realised it must be a Coyote bar. Had a quick look in Rawhide and the talent was total shit so left quickly. It seems there are very limited bars to suit my taste, and quite limited girls in those bars as well. So probably less than 3% of Cowboy girls are too my liking in looks. However of better days I can still find a girl I like. Not today. Arrived too late most likely. I did like the looks of a few girls working front of house at certain bars.
I am not concerned about girls skin colour. Only that they be really pretty and there are few of those. It is getting tough these days being very fussy.
As someone who is arriving soon I'm interested in knowing whether the recent civil unrest is impacting the scene at all. Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of? I'm actually kind of surprised that no one has chimed in on this, although I did see the question earlier I didn't see any response. Anybody have any comments?
As someone who is arriving soon I'm interested in knowing whether the recent civil unrest is impacting the scene at all. Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of? I'm actually kind of surprised that no one has chimed in on this, although I did see the question earlier I didn't see any response. Anybody have any comments?Protests? What protests? No, not at all other than keeping tourists away. High season doesn't feel very high this year and lots of girls I talk to are saying things are tough. Go-go's I visit are generally empty other than a couple of the big ones, beer bars have way more girls than customers and the streets are actually quite walkable. Good time to be here.
Bartchamdo
12-08-13, 08:07
Hey Goat,
Where are these craft beer bars you speak of. I am probably going to just be using oilies myself, so a good beer place would be great to find. Sorry to be off topic.Great username, Beer Monger! Reminds me of good times mongering around the world. Duvel in San Jose, Costa Rica. Fine craft beer in Amsterdam after a visit to the RLD. Even Bangkok has a beer scene apart from Singha and Leo.
Try Brew Beers & Ciders, on Thong Lor. Not so far from all the oil massage places on Sukhumwit 24 and 24/1, and in the same neighborhood as Tulip. Just a short cab ride away. Great selection.
The Roadhouse in the Silom area has a decent selection. Black Swan, which is a 5 minute walk from Soi Cowboy, has Green King IPA, which is fairly rare for Thailand. HOBS (House of Beers) is another name that comes up a lot, though I haven't tried it yet. There are plenty of options, though the good beers aren't cheap.
Enjoy!
Bartchamdo
12-08-13, 08:12
Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of?It's not a threat to your safety. The protests are centered around government buildings. You'd have to go way out of your way (an hour or more in typical traffic) to reach the protests, and most of them haven't been violent.
My last night is tomorrow Monday and I'd like to meet some of you guys for going out to selected places in search for the best. Even if we had differed on opinions that doesn't matter, we can surely shake hands. PM with your number, cheers.
Convenience of going from one place to the other for service. I like to do multiple pops a day.For the paripatetic punter there is no better venue than Pattaya. The three main naughty boy hangouts (Walking Street, Soi 6 and Soi LK Metro) are very close to each other. If you're feeling energetic you can easily walk back and forth. If you're not the baht buses are cheap and convenient. There are over a dozen places to choose from on Walking Street and along Soi 6, with almost that many on Soi LK Metro. You can take girls back to your room, to a short time hotel or do the deed on the premises (Soi 6).
Bunky
Hey Goat,
Where are these craft beer bars you speak of. I am probably going to just be using oilies myself, so a good beer place would be great to find. Sorry to be off topic.Beer Vault on Suk 15 in the 4 Points Sheraton would be the closest to the "zone."
NaughtyDog
12-08-13, 20:11
I've now been in Thailand for a few days, and have experienced some of what Bangkok has to offer. I skipped the sexytimes for the first day or so, then jumped in with both feet.
Angel witch, Nana entertainment plaza.
The other night I walked around Nana out of interest, and decided to go in and check out Angel Witch. I heard it had good quality shows. In short, yes. I was very impressed by the girls there. A girl asked me if I wanted. Something. She was gesturing at her mouth, so I'm not sure if she was asking if I want a drink with her, or whether I want a blowjob. She wasn't particularly interesting, so I politely declined either offer. Just after that she went on stage. She made some effort to catch my eye, but I was looking more at the cutie next to her. Very cute face, with a gorgeous body except the very fake looking bolt-ons. At one point she did the same dick / drink gesture from the stage, and I declined again. So she made the dick / drink gesture while pointing to her cutie neighbour. I made a more positive "well. Maybe." face and she smiled and tapped her friend's shoulder, who smiled happily and came over to chat.
The girl's name was Tata. I hope. Or possibly Titi? Tita? I should really remember this, considering. Anyway, I thought she was really very cute, and no less so when she bounced over. We chatted for a bit and she was surprisingly entertaining. Told me how everything worked, how much everything costs, what the deal is, etc. She was chatty and likeable and flirty. She suggested she'd like me to barfine her (of course) and we came back to the hotel. The sex was very good, passionate and fun. I enjoyed it, and I think she did too. She was only able to do short time tonight, but she said she'd like to do a longtime stay another night.
I don't know whether my standards or tastes are different to others, but I'd have barfined quite a few of the Angel Witch dancers. I don't particularly prefer the lighter skin, dark is nice too, and I find myself more attracted to "likeable and natural" than some sort of slamming hottie.
Price all-up was not too bad. I didn't feel like I was being gouged or treated like an ATM. I tipped, more than I should have because I didn't have a lot of different notes on me. A lesson learned.
Afterwards I was still. Up for something. So.
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Cherry massage, somewhere.
I didn't really have a concept of where this was, and was surprised to find it in an alley full of other similar venues. All the young skimpily dressed women out the front are sort of a giveaway. Apple Massage was here, one I've heard of. Wrong fruit, though.
I saw Cherry, started walking in, a few girls saw me and smiled. Got in, dude gave me a book, etc. This was the middle of the day, by the way, so it was pretty quiet.
Handed the book I picked Lily, because she seemed pleasant. She was a bit older than her photo suggested, and not a small girl. Curvy. Probably a bit older and a bit curvier than most guys, but I like pretty much anything.
Massage was good, Lily was saying she was actually a masseuse previously. Like, a legit one. She gave a great massage. She was nice, fun, enthusiastic. Said she came several times, which may or may not be true. There was nothing unusual to report about the session, just some nice oral, mutual oral, good sex. She was surprised and disappointed by the amount of cum in the condom, but after the day before I was a little drained.
I enjoyed the session, and the price was good for the service.
Oh, it was both mine and her first Nuru session. Neither of us particularly enjoyed it, but she said that other girls are better at the B2B stuff than her.
Highly recommend the place, or at very least the girl. A fun time.
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Altered Ego
12-09-13, 04:11
Are there any good alternatives to the gogo bars in Bangkok? Usually when I visit I find somebody in Soi Cowboy or Nana, but I was trying to come up with an alternative source for my next trip. My problem is that I only come for fairly short visits (of about 10 days) once or twice a year, I am quite picky, I really only like very pretty girls, and ideally I am looking for someone who speaks good English, and who would be prepared to do LT rather than ST. A knockout student aged about 21 to 24 with no boyfriend would be ideal! But I guess my age is not exactly in my favour when looking for this type of girl (I am early 50s, but fairly well preserved) , although on the 'positive' side I am willing to pay gogo bar equivalent rates, as long as the price is not astronomical.
I guess what I am talking about is discos, non-girly bars, or perhaps using websites. I appreciate that my requirements are probably similar to most other guys, but if anybody has got any suggestions I would be most grateful.
And yes I have read the forum, but I could not really find the answer to my particular 'problem'!
Are there any good alternatives to the gogo bars in Bangkok?
And yes I have read the forum, but I could not really find the answer to my particular 'problem'!If you had read often enough, you would have a fair idea. Asking for the world and wanting it at a good price, seems a little contradictory. I would be tending to recommend Gentlemen clubs like Pegasus or Escorts to get girls that good, but they might be too expensive. Girls that meet your difficult specs may well be closely guarded secrets.
I would suggest you try an excellent English speaker like Bo at Cherry, and see if you get on very well and then see if the girl can do LT outcall or not. Might depend on the chemistry. Annies possibly has some good English speakers, available for LT outcall, but I don't know who they are (English is not a requirement for me).
LT is available still at gogos, so if you find the right girl there, gogos are still a good option. Again I know little about English speaking abilities.
As someone who is arriving soon I'm interested in knowing whether the recent civil unrest is impacting the scene at all. Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of? I'm actually kind of surprised that no one has chimed in on this, although I did see the question earlier I didn't see any response. Anybody have any comments?This sums it up:
"A nuclear bomb or bubonic plague will not keep the sex tourists away. The Chinese might get a bit jittery over the prospect of civil unrest. The Russian tour companies have already warned they might redirect tourists. I'm waiting for the bombs to start going off in Bangkok."
MongerVirgin
12-09-13, 15:35
As someone who is arriving soon I'm interested in knowing whether the recent civil unrest is impacting the scene at all. Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of? I'm actually kind of surprised that no one has chimed in on this, although I did see the question earlier I didn't see any response. Anybody have any comments?I was in BKK this weekend and the ladies are without customers. Many have not been serviced for days and are extremely horny and very hungry. Worth the risk of getting stuck.
Anyone know what the deal is with regular massage places?
I mean more the local ones outside of lower sukhumvit.
First all of a sudden when I'd ask for a thai massage it was like I insulted them.
And they tried to give me a man or a ladyboy instead of a woman.
I thought maybe they were trying to force farangs into getting oily massages.
Seemed like it was some type of a new policy enacted by the owners.
Now a lot of them are removing oil massages from the menu and have replaced them with "aromatherapy", which is often like 400-500 baht, which is a lot at a crappy little place.
Are a lot of them owned by the same people?
I like to get thai massages regularly at lots of different places, and like a nice pretty lady and will sometimes go for extras if the mood is right.
But now that they're trying to hassle me into paying more or threatening to give me men or some old sea hag they found in the basement, I'm going much less
I honestly don't like being lathered with oil that won't come off my skin in the shower and then gets all over my clothes
That's all very good to know. Thanks for the comments guys. See you in BKK shortly!
Anyone know what the deal is with regular massage places?
I mean more the local ones outside of lower sukhumvit.
First all of a sudden when I'd ask for a thai massage it was like I insulted them.
And they tried to give me a man or a ladyboy instead of a woman.
I thought maybe they were trying to force farangs into getting oily massages.
Seemed like it was some type of a new policy enacted by the owners.
Now a lot of them are removing oil massages from the menu and have replaced them with "aromatherapy", which is often like 400-500 baht, which is a lot at a crappy little place. Are a lot of them owned by the same people?
I like to get thai massages regularly at lots of different places, and like a nice pretty lady and will sometimes go for extras if the mood is right.
But now that they're trying to hassle me into paying more or threatening to give me men or some old sea hag they found in the basement, I'm going much less I honestly don't like being lathered with oil that won't come off my skin in the shower and then gets all over my clothesYour post is not making much sense to me. It reads more like you were drunk at the time IMHO. No one is "forcing" you to take oil or aroma or anything. Do you want a real massage or not? If so, why not choose a more classy place? There is no clue as what place you are referring to. This thread is mostly for mongering advice, but the question about good non-sexual massage places has been raised many times before in this and the General thread.
I guess you are wanting a very sexy hot girl but still claim you want a real massage? Ha Ha! Its possible but ain't so likely. Its likely that you will just be considered to be one big hassle. So even if I know a girl who is both a great masseuse and great for sex, I don't want her to have to put up with you deciding you don't want a full servicing.
I suggest you lose the curiosity about hundreds of shitty massage places and try to choose some good recommended ones. Understand the Mongering shops generally do not appreciate customers that just want a straight massage, also proper Thai Massage places do not appreciate the ladies being molested. You really should decide what it is that you want. You can pay the full all inclusive price (for sex too) and then not take the sex if you want, but you might get a crappy massage. Perhaps someone else will understand your sentiment better and have a great shop to suggest that is undecided if it is legit massage or not.
Chavala Suk Soi 34 is/was a place to get a reasonable massage where molesting the girls is more or less expected but no full sex unless somehow you can manage it without taking the girls shorts off (unless it has changed over the years). I visited this place more than 20 years ago and seems to be still there.
I was in BKK this weekend and the ladies are without customers. Many have not been serviced for days and are extremely horny and very hungry. Worth the risk of getting stuck.Leaving BKK this weekend the taxi driver pointed to all the ladies sitting at shop fronts on Soi 23 ' "you want massage? Too mut lady no work because of plotect (protests) no tourist"
Would have loved to stay longer but was worried about the planned "biggest demonstration ever that will bring BKK to a standstill" supposed to have happened today (Monday 9th). What was the situation like on the ground?
Beer Monger
12-09-13, 19:25
Great username, Beer Monger!
Enjoy!Thanks Bart and Goat. That should keep me entertained between sessions. Full reports will be forthcoming when I visit next month. Price of the beer is not a problem as I will be on expenses, at least for that part. Need to figure out if I should pay for a membership so I can PM you two to join me for a beer. Again, less a matter of cost than logistics.
Altered Ego
12-09-13, 20:11
Many thanks, Syzygies, for your most helpful and constructive reply.
If any other members have any alternative suggestions they would be most welcome. Just to clarify, my post was to some extent intended to be lighthearted, I am not actually expecting to meet a future Miss World with a degree in modern languages, I am simply trying to find out if there are any alternatives to gogo bars, where I might hope to find girls approaching similar quality, and who are prepared to stay LT, and preferably who can speak a bit of English, without it costing me far more than it would in Nana or Soi Cowboy (because obviously that would defeat the object of the exercise) , and bearing in mind the added restriction that I only visit Thailand occasionally and for relatively short stays (typically 10 days each time) , therefore I am not really in a position to spend a great deal of time making and maintaining a network of contacts. I am not really interested in the 'mature' end of the market, neither am I very interested with massage places.
I would be tending to recommend Gentlemen clubs like Pegasus or Escorts to get girls that good, but they might be too expensive.
I would suggest you try an excellent English speaker like Bo at Cherry, and see if you get on very well and then see if the girl can do LT outcall or not. Might depend on the chemistry. Annies possibly has some good English speakers, available for LT outcall, but I don't know who they are (English is not a requirement
Are there any good alternatives to the gogo bars in Bangkok? Usually when I visit I find somebody in Soi Cowboy or Nana, but I was trying to come up with an alternative source for my next trip. My problem is that I only come for fairly short visits (of about 10 days) once or twice a year, I am quite picky, I really only like very pretty girls, and ideally I am looking for someone who speaks good English, and who would be prepared to do LT rather than ST. A knockout student aged about 21 to 24 with no boyfriend would be ideal! But I guess my age is not exactly in my favour when looking for this type of girl (I am early 50s, but fairly well preserved) , although on the 'positive' side I am willing to pay gogo bar equivalent rates, as long as the price is not astronomical.
I guess what I am talking about is discos, non-girly bars, or perhaps using websites. I appreciate that my requirements are probably similar to most other guys, but if anybody has got any suggestions I would be most grateful.
And yes I have read the forum, but I could not really find the answer to my particular 'problem'!I agree with Syzgies, it would be worth your while to read the thread closer. There are nightclubs where a high proportion of hookers hang out, like CM2. I've been away from the scene too long to know the others but a careful reading of this forum will point you toward them. You will likely find some attractive English speakers, although not necessarily any better than, say, the cream of the crop at Rainbow, and not necessarily students. Doing LT should not be a problem, although you should ask first if she's an obvious pro. The really hot ones will want more than gogo equivalent rates. The last one I pulled, a couple of years ago at CM2, cost 6000 Baht although she stayed until I had to kick her out the next afternoon.
The best dating site is www.thailovelinks.com.
Altered Ego
12-09-13, 22:55
Many thanks Tiny, that's extremely helpful.
If any other members have any further suggestions I would be most grateful.
I agree with Syzgies, it would be worth your while to read the thread closer. There are nightclubs where a high proportion of hookers hang out, like CM2. I've been away from the scene too long to know the others but a careful reading of this forum will point you toward them. You will likely find some attractive English speakers, although not necessarily any better than, say, the cream of the crop at Rainbow, and not necessarily students. Doing LT should not be a problem, although you should ask first if she's an obvious pro. The really hot ones will want more than gogo equivalent rates. The last one I pulled, a couple of years ago at CM2, cost 6000 Baht although she stayed until I had to kick her out the next afternoon.
The best dating site is.
www.thailovelinks.com.
Your post is not making much sense to me. It reads more like you were drunk at the time IMHO. No one is "forcing" you to take oil or aroma or anything. Do you want a real massage or not? If so, why not choose a more classy place? There is no clue as what place you are referring to. This thread is mostly for mongering advice, but the question about good non-sexual massage places has been raised many times before in this and the General thread.I mean regular Thai massage shops that you see on many streets. Not special oily places.
Now when they see a farang come in they try to force me to get an "aromatherapy" massage when I just want a Thai massage with a female masseuse.
Policy started in 2012.
Thanks Bart and Goat. That should keep me entertained between sessions. Full reports will be forthcoming when I visit next month. Price of the beer is not a problem as I will be on expenses, at least for that part. Need to figure out if I should pay for a membership so I can PM you two to join me for a beer. Again, less a matter of cost than logistics.Yep, get a membership.
MisterQuickie
12-10-13, 04:12
Guys,
I have been reading this forum intently as I've got my first visit to BKK coming up. I'll have a short layover there. Basically, I'll be free from around 10 am in the morning until around 6 pm in the evening.
From reading many of the posts here, my impression is that most of the bars don't really get hopping until much later in the night.
Is it possible to have any luck visiting these fine establishments during the day from around 10 am until around 6 pm? I have to leave for the airport at 6 pm, so that's the time I have to be finished and on my way to the airport.
What time do these bars usually start hopping? I read this forum plenty far back but didn't see an answer to my question.
Many thanks for your kind advice.
I mean regular Thai massage shops that you see on many streets. Not special oily places.
Now when they see a farang come in they try to force me to get an "aromatherapy" massage when I just want a Thai massage with a female masseuse.
Policy started in 2012.Ladies learnt that by adding some sex delivery they can earn more, from 500 onward, as in oilies. They don't get much when they do a traditional massage and the tip will be minimal, if there is a tip. Giving a HJ or a bit more will give the opportunity to earn a more secure and higher tip with little effort. Oily massage gives more opportunities to hands to browse in a nice way over the body or the skin. Didn't you notice that a good HJ gives better results with oil or cream than a mere dry wanking (whoever does it)?
I have been reading this forum intently as I've got my first visit to BKK coming up. I'll have a short layover there. Basically, I'll be free from around 10 am in the morning until around 6 pm in the evening. From reading many of the posts here, my impression is that most of the bars don't really get hopping until much later in the night.Many Oily massage places that get discussed in Massage thread will be open in the daytime and also Annies. There are daytime bars with girls available on Sukhumvit Soi 4 within 50 metres of main road such as "Morning Night","Big Dog", etc. Girls will take you to nearby short time Hotel where you pay for a room for up to 2 hours max. There is also Biergarten of Sukhumvit Soi 7.
I am not really interested in the 'mature' end of the market, neither am I very interested with massage places.Why not? I am not interested in massage in the slightest. I don't go there for a massage. I only go to get a good sex session with a good quality girl. There are not so many top quality, but a few. The odd massage girl of quality is capable of acting like an escort girl (okay not many are this good) outside the establishment, but a lot cheaper. I once took an MP girl on holiday 3 or 4 days to Krabi and Phi Phi Island. Was a bit costly but a lot less than an escort. Several times have taken Soapy girls somewhere outside the massage venue, as if she was an escort, for extended time including overnight.
Not sure what you mean by "mature". Some Thai girls aged 27 to 30 can be mature adult in attitude but still look like a 19 year old. I have no problem with this age bracket and certainly don't regard these girls as past it. I don't need 16 year olds and its not legal anyway. They can be very experienced and skilled and still look very young. My favourite bargirl is over 30, I forget exact age but she looks 21 no problem. Body is slim and extremely toned looking like a gymnast. Very popular. So to me the actual technical age does not matter if the girl does not look really ancient and still has a good body. Some of the 22 year old look terrible in comparison, like having their tits sucked out till they are just hanging bags.
When you say you like certain sources of girls, its not easy to guess what your reasons are and precisely what you look for. I mean if you are going to pay her, then working girls are working girls, whatever the source.
Interested in an Opinion. I know this young very inexperienced bargirl (5 weeks in total) at Long Gun. She is all natural and has a good body and a pretty face, looks very young, but darkish skin. She has zero English. I had to translate for her the meaning of 69 and blowjob into Thai. LOL. I intend to buy her that bargirls English guide to chatting up customers, but don't know precisely how much help it will be.
Is she really significantly stuffed for getting customers, having virtually zero English? She maintains I have been the only guy to take her so far (maybe 4 times). She can be enthusiastic about sex once gets turned on and can do a blowjob quite well, but not the world's most skilled in bed just yet, maybe just average good. I guess there are potentially other customers than can speak a bit of Thai but I have no idea what percentage this will be. Would 20% be a fair guess or maybe its very dependent on the particular bar? Are any non-Thai speakers interested in a girl with no English or is it just too much hassle?
I believe she studied English at school to rudimentary level but is at least 3 years ago and seems to have been forgotten.
Ken_Apples
12-10-13, 17:54
I once took an MP girl on holiday 3 or 4 days to Krabi and Phi Phi Island. Was a bit costly but a lot less than an escort. Several times have taken Soapy girls somewhere outside the massage venue, as if she was an escort, for extended time including overnight.Syzygies,
There seems to be little / no info about this option on the forum.
Can you please give some guidance to how much the cost is to have a MP girl not coming to work / per day, and also how this is arranged (agreement with management, ect?)
Greetings, Ken Apples
Wolvenvacht
12-10-13, 19:17
Guys,
I have been reading this forum intently as I've got my first visit to BKK coming up. I'll have a short layover there. Basically, I'll be free from around 10 am in the morning until around 6 pm in the evening.The (in) famous Eden Club (http://www.edenbangkok.com) opens at 12:30 and is in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 where you will also find a lot of massage parlours that open early and the chain of Dr. BJ's establishments. (http://bjbarbangkok.com/)
The only thing you will miss are the agogo-clubs.
Interested in an Opinion. I know this young very inexperienced bargirl (5 weeks in total) at Long Gun. She is all natural and has a good body and a pretty face, looks very young, but darkish skin. She has zero English. I had to translate for her the meaning of 69 and blowjob into Thai. LOL. I intend to buy her that bargirls English guide to chatting up customers, but don't know precisely how much help it will be.
Is she really significantly stuffed for getting customers, having virtually zero English? She maintains I have been the only guy to take her so far (maybe 4 times). She can be enthusiastic about sex once gets turned on and can do a blowjob quite well, but not the world's most skilled in bed just yet, maybe just average good. I guess there are potentially other customers than can speak a bit of Thai but I have no idea what percentage this will be. Would 20% be a fair guess or maybe its very dependent on the particular bar? Are any non-Thai speakers interested in a girl with no English or is it just too much hassle?
I believe she studied English at school to rudimentary level but is at least 3 years ago and seems to have been forgotten.She's been working 5 weeks & doesn't know the meaning of "smoke"?
I've picked up street girls like her quite a few times. Maybe she should switch jobs if she wants to make more dough. Even deaf girls are out there making a killing.
Working girls don't need any English, just a piece of paper that says one hour one thousand. In Singapore many PRCs, Viets, etc only know one word, like "fifty" or "thirty", or they hold up 3 or 5 fingers if they haven't learned that yet. Some use English translators to "talk" with their phones.
It isn't rocket science.
Syzygies,
There seems to be little / no info about this option on the forum.
Can you please give some guidance to how much the cost is to have a MP girl not coming to work / per day, and also how this is arranged (agreement with management, ect?)
Greetings, Ken ApplesAll MP's tariffs show long time / out calls, just browse around.
Annie's surely does and lists the terms and conditions.
Many Oily massage places that get discussed in Massage thread will be open in the daytime and also Annies. There are daytime bars with girls available on Sukhumvit Soi 4 within 50 metres of main road such as "Morning Night","Big Dog", etc. Girls will take you to nearby short time Hotel where you pay for a room for up to 2 hours max. There is also Biergarten of Sukhumvit Soi 7.Correct as indeed all oilies and soapies open at 11am.
Is she really significantly stuffed for getting customers, having virtually zero English? She maintains I have been the only guy to take her so far (maybe 4 times).Youth and beauty are the two main factors that fill the girls' pockets full of cash.
Remember the old saying: " How do you know when a bargirl is lying to you. When her lips are moving"
Syzygies,
There seems to be little / no info about this option on the forum.
Can you please give some guidance to how much the cost is to have a MP girl not coming to work / per day, and also how this is arranged (agreement with management, ect?)
Greetings, Ken ApplesI don't normally like to discuss exact payments. Can find out from web site or shop or girl what must be paid to management per day. I suggest ask the girl first. In some shops especially Soapies it may not be officially allowed at all but girl may still be willing to pretend she is away sick.
Then need to consider what the girl's normal earnings per day is. Mostly I think girls will not want to go away if they will lose money unless need a break from work badly.
Also they may not be interested if you are cheap Charlie and want to fuck many times at a greatly discounted rate.
I have a GF so have not taken a working girl away more than single overnight since 2008. However still here of guys barfining girls for several days so they don't have to show up to work and can go to Pataya or wherever.
Right now times are tough. Some girls have little business and could be easily persuaded for a steady money supply. It's probably a buyers market right now except for the very busy girls.
This topic is rarely discussed because most guys are looking for a cheap 1 hour fuck. I am mostly looking for just 2 hours these days. I don't need many fucks per day and don't have time for it. Morning wake up sex would be nice though.
Remember the old saying: " How do you know when a bargirl is lying to you. When her lips are moving"Girls have little need to lie to me as I don't ask them difficult questions. I also find some girls amazingly honest. The girl tells me she is 33 even though I would have believed 24 quite easily. The tells me that she spoke to me on the phone in a strange tone as she was with a Farang who did not want her to go to the bar to work. She however was happy to go to the bar to meet me and said was lucky we conversed in Thai as he could not understand her phone conversation. Some girls can be sneaky without actually telling many lies. I know about her many customers and show no signs of jealousy so she doesn't need to tell me bullshit. It's simple. Either she is available or she isn't. She doesn't want to be tied down by anyone.
Youth and beauty are the two main factors that fill the girls' pockets full of cash.Ummm, well initially, but if she does not perform there will be few repeats.
She's been working 5 weeks & doesn't know the meaning of "smoke"?This is a funny word. It indicates the bargirl's English is poor.
Thai for smoke a cigarette is "Duut burii"."Duut" literally means to suck (air). Unfortunately many Thai to English books that girls use, translate "Duut" as meaning "to smoke" which is technically not general enough, but that is why girls will say "smoke" when they mean "to suck". It has then become a standard Euphemism over time.
A better word for a BJ in Thai is actually "Om" which is used also for sucking on a lolly, since a BJ does not require an air sucking action like smoking does.
As I was first guy to barfine her, I decided was better to teach her "blow-job". I hope the customers will not ask her for "smoke". She might give them a cigarette or might have no clue at all. Actually girls are not permitted to take cigarettes inside Long Gun main bar. One bar was burnt down not that long ago.
Ummm, well initially, but if she does not perform there will be few repeats.But there will sufficient one off customers in the future.
Just like with the rip offs venues or girls. They will nto get repeats, for sure and the robbed guy will not go there or book the girl again.
Nevertheless they still open and work night after night. Month after month. Means they have a solid non repeat customer volume.
Somewhere15
12-11-13, 14:25
I posted this some days ago but made a mistake and today I saw that is was posted as tread instead of report. My fault. Hereby again.
Over the last days I met with several women that I mainly contacted true Thai Friendly.
My target specs are: length between 165 and 175 cm, weight between 45 and 65 kilo. I am searching for women with a job who are mainly working from Monday – Friday and who speak English good till quite well.
Met so far around 10 of them in 3 week time including some special once (see below) that I will keep closeby in future.
Met with a Manager in a Financial company who is 35.
When we met first time we had dinner closed by her working location and after that she drove to my place (Asoke) and we went to a bar in the Sukhumvite area to listen to live music and continuing the chit chat.
Around midnight we got back to my place (her car was parked there) and while we continuing talking in the lobby she pushed on the elevator bottom and we ended in my room and finally ended on my bed. So more or less I left it to here to how it would endup or continuing.
She drives in a brand new middle size car and invited me after the 3rd meeting to her condo.
We the evening before King's Birthday as she had a day off and some afternoons and evening in the weekend to make it late and we ended for some hours of sex in her or my bedroom. Everything available beside anal.
We have a great click, good humor and chemistry, background and interest.
She has a bachelor in English and Master in Economics. Beside some food no money to invest so far.
Will keep her for a while (as I normally return to Bangkok several times a year).
As she hard to work also in the weekend and needed to finalize appraisal process for her staff (not for me, LOL) that gives me the opportunity to look around what was more available.
On Sunday (yesterday) I met with a manager financial analist and business planning in a large stock listed company who came to my place in a 6-months old Toyota Camry included all options. Later I found she bought the car over from her mother because the women found that the car was too big for her.
She parked at my place and we got up to my room directly.
As we only discussed before lunch / dinner and movie opportunities to do together, we had some chit chat but I was not sure about where she was looking for (sex or love or.).
After a while we discussed what movies she liked to see and on her mini Ipad she quickly surfed and found a movie that was starting within 30 minutes.
We decided to walk from my place to the mall. I always buy ticket on the seats on the back a kind of business class seats with no separation in the middle and the seat can move a little into sleeping mode. During the movie the touching and teasing started and shortly after a lot of kisses followed.
After a quick meal we got back to my room and soon after I got her totally naked.
She played to be shy but liked what I did with her. She was around 160 cm and 40 kg, that means not too much fat on the bones, and she made clear that here mouth was small and here pussy also. I joked a little that as she could accept me anal I would be fine with that but finally after DFK I decided not to push too much and gave my fill load over a A-size breast with nice perky nipples.
After two hours I found myself (around 11:30) so tired that I politely said to her that I would walk here down to the parking and guide her out.
From here face I saw some disappointment but what could she do.
Today we had several times contact true Line and potential I will meet with her again.
The other days and evenings I made contact mainly through Thai Friendly and if I couldn't agree to a date I strolled in the evenings around at Gulliver's, Bangkok Beat, Levels and Spasso and selected from there, see some of the pictures randomly posted here.
Till so far only the women who worked in the shopping mall in Central World costed me 2000 THB (even where she didn't ask for any payment) and 6 others, beside some food where totally free. I am visiting Bangkok over the last 10 years often and mainly got to the disco scene but found specially during this visit (which is in the middle) that the internet option is more valuable and will leave me with some keepers also,
Arriving Bangkok tomorrow, staying in Fraser suites (looks nice). Always stay soi 11. Love the bars and clubs. Then View Talay in Pattaya for 3 weeks.
As I said before, bit disappointed by the chat here. Been 3 years. And still the same arrogant twats here, different names but same shit. Hundreds / thousands of posts, arguing abut nothing. Really think a lot of the posters with hundreds posts have either never been or just like talking about their one trip.
Sorry for being weird but first trip in 3 years. Used to be a poster but jut see guys that are all mouth here now.
Tell stories, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Thats why we read this. Loved that guy Kumbu? Willl do my best to contribute like that. Rather than the shite I see on here. Make an effort guys.
If you talk about it, then you haven't done it. Prob live in England and fantasise.
Hey ho.
JohnTheScot
OkI couldn't agree more. The level of rudeness here is enough to make me not want to come back, and certainly I will not renew my subscription until some decorum is mandated here.
Why would anyone share their experiences with this kind of response. Not me for certain.
.6 others, beside some food where totally free.Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.
Ah I see a big problem with repeating a newbie bargirl more than once or twice. They start getting too dependent on you for success at the bar and for money. I was dismayed to find the girl had an iphone today, probably 2nd hand, where I was expecting her to try to save a bit of money, for the hard times when no customers (I have been her only barfining customer). She explained her previous phone was accidentally dropped in water today or toilet. I would have expected her to get it fixed rather than have a 2nd hand iphone 4 now which I presume costs a few thousand. She may have even had to borrow money to get it. I was only calling by quickly to give her the bargirls phrasebook Thai to English (150 Baht). So she did not get any money from me today, and I am about to leave the country so her main money source has suddenly dried up. I can only hope some other guys like her despite the zero English and dark skin.
Oliver Kitsoff
12-12-13, 00:53
Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.I would agree 100% Opebo!
I was separated early this year, I stayed away from women (even cheap streetwalkers) to focus on my business (ha!) and early last month, feeling all sad about Christmas alone, I went ont three dating sites looking for some Christmas cheer (I live in Europe) one site was Ashley Madison BUT I was drunk when I signed up! Stay away they are fucking rip off specialists, and the site is just full of very pricey call girls, I never met a single 'bored housewife' there!
But back to the sorry tale of woe, I spent a fortune on these sites, wasted hours fussing about what to say to these women. I was realistic, and was looking for between 40-50, since I'm a youthful 52. Most had kids (no fucking way! I don't have my own, and don't want anyone elses brats) Lots were pigs, or had no profiles, or clearly no brains, or wore fucking sunglasses in the photos!
The One decent bird. 47, clicked online very well, so I spent a fortune on a hotel (to go to her city as I live in a one horse bumfuck town, but that will change soon!) And got torn apart over dinner for mentioning I'd been to Thailand alone a few times. Well, so much for that!
I cancelled the profiles, kissed the money goodbye (lesson learned) and bought a ticket to LOS, I'll be well en route to BKK this time next week all being well.
I figure I can live without all the bullshit at my age, and just get the deed done in Germany in summer or Thailand in winter. I just this evening threw out all my old love letters, and re-reading them, I just realised I'd hurt a lot of decent girls with my shenanigans over the years, including my missus, so basically, unless I really slow down, I'm better off on my own chasing P4P every six months.
Ah I see a big problem with repeating a newbie bargirl more than once or twice. They start getting too dependent on you for success at the bar and for money. I was dismayed to find the girl had an iphone today, probably 2nd hand, where I was expecting her to try to save a bit of money, for the hard times when no customers (I have been her only barfining customer). She explained her previous phone was accidentally dropped in water today or toilet. I would have expected her to get it fixed rather than have a 2nd hand iphone 4 now which I presume costs a few thousand. She may have even had to borrow money to get it. I was only calling by quickly to give her the bargirls phrasebook Thai to English (150 Baht). So she did not get any money from me today, and I am about to leave the country so her main money source has suddenly dried up. I can only hope some other guys like her despite the zero English and dark skin.Most girls in gogos have a sixth grade education, if that. What else do you expect? They are in many ways the least common denominator of this society. I equate dating and marrying a bar girl to going to the deepest "hollar" in West Virginia and picking out your future wife there.
Back home none of us would dream of dating or taking care of a gal with that little education. Here standards go out the window, because unlike the West Virginia gals, these girls have all their teeth.
They are great for a little fun, but that is about it. If one wants a relationship, there are plenty of women here that actually bring something to the table besides the wetspot between their legs.
NeverJerkOff
12-12-13, 03:03
Most girls in gogos have a sixth grade education, if that. What else do you expect? They are in many ways the least common denominator of this society. I equate dating and marrying a bar girl to going to the deepest "hollar" in West Virginia and picking out your future wife there.
Back home none of us would dream of dating or taking care of a gal with that little education. Here standards go out the window, because unlike the West Virginia gals, these girls have all their teeth.
They are great for a little fun, but that is about it. If one wants a relationship, there are plenty of women here that actually bring something to the table besides the wetspot between their legs.You're a broken record crying about the working girls here. I don't pay for them anymore but I am friends with dozens and we fuck too. There are some smart, good girls in the bunch. Shit, most of would fuck ugly girls for money, so who are we to judge? All education usually is how much useless shit can you remember. Genius comes in many forms and there is a reason successful entrepreneurs don't give a shit about master's degrees and such when hiring. I don't particularly mess with women to stimulate my brain but it's easy to accomplish. The dumbest of girls here is going to know a whole lot more about this country then you, so you can either be smart enough to extract that info or stupid enough to keep on bitching about it.
Mr Enternational
12-12-13, 05:21
Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.Sad case if you have not been with a normal woman whose company you actually enjoy.
Most girls in gogos have a sixth grade education, if that. What else do you expect? They are in many ways the least common denominator of this society. I equate dating and marrying a bar girl to going to the deepest "hollar" in West Virginia and picking out your future wife there.
Back home none of us would dream of dating or taking care of a gal with that little education. Here standards go out the window, because unlike the West Virginia gals, these girls have all their teeth.
They are great for a little fun, but that is about it. If one wants a relationship, there are plenty of women here that actually bring something to the table besides the wetspot between their legs.Not sure why you have switched the topic to GFs and Marrying. Not relevant to the newbie bargirl. An idiot might want to marry her but not me.
Meanwhile my GF does not have a massive education. Very high intellect is not a requirement for all of us. She is more the artistic type which complements me being a highly technical type. I am not interesting in highly technical discussions in a social context.
Not sure why you have switched the topic to GFs and Marrying. Not relevant to the newbie bargirl. An idiot might want to marry her but not me.
Meanwhile my GF does not have a massive education. Very high intellect is not a requirement for all of us. She is more the artistic type which complements me being a highly technical type. I am not interesting in highly technical discussions in a social context.
Never underestimate the number of idiots in bars.
A high intellect is not a requirement for a sex session no, but I do find if I am reloading for round two I can be completely turned off by some of the idiotic banter I hear. Brighter girls are more fun, yes, in bed that is. They have the capability to take it to the next level, get inside your head, find out your kinks, etc. I have found very few bar girls capable of that. For most of them sex is like eating; hungry-eat, horny-f*ck.
When you live with someone for a long time you need to be able to relate to them on different levels. The cultural divide can be hard to cross, but when you throw in a lack of education, it just complicates matters in the long run. Might work fine for a few years, but eventually it will make a difference.
You're a broken record crying about the working girls here. I don't pay for them anymore but I am friends with dozens and we fuck too. There are some smart, good girls in the bunch. Shit, most of would fuck ugly girls for money, so who are we to judge? All education usually is how much useless shit can you remember. Genius comes in many forms and there is a reason successful entrepreneurs don't give a shit about master's degrees and such when hiring. I don't particularly mess with women to stimulate my brain but it's easy to accomplish. The dumbest of girls here is going to know a whole lot more about this country then you, so you can either be smart enough to extract that info or stupid enough to keep on bitching about it.
Crying? Don't know where you are getting that from. Believe me, no tears have been shed. It is what it is.
I actually speak the language and have lived here for well over a decade. You would be surprised how little most people here know about their country. I would imagine that many foreigners actually know more about the place than many locals. Really man, get a grip. After a certain amount of time you will tire of the company of bar girls. They have very little to offer except sex. Take a lesson from your Thai brethren, compartmentalize.
I myself would not have sex with ugly women for money.
Education useless? Maybe you should tell that to the Dr you see next time you are ill and in need.
And try to get a job in Asia without a degree.
If they were "smart good girls" they would not be working in a bar. It is a choice. There are other ways. It is the easy way out. 15 years ago one could buy the argument that it was the only option. Now it is not. Just about anyone can get a student loan, and hey if Uni ain't for you with 1% unemployment getting a job that you can support yourself with is easy. But most really don't want that. They see an easy out and easy money. It is the life of a parasite and the farang is the host. But as I am sure you have noticed, many of these girls get boyfriends or husbands and within a few years they are back in the scene. I run into gals that I knew 10 years ago all the time who have drifted back into the biz after failed relationships. The host can swat the mosquito at anytime.
A very few actually do well. They save money and start their own business. Mango, Snow White, Cherry, Tulip, all ex-oily gals who had a little ambition, while some gals who were at Tulip when it opened are still there and getting older. A old working girl is a sad site.
I like working gals, don't get me wrong. They serve a purpose and fill a need, as does the repair person that comes to fix the dryer. I treat them well, with respect, and compensate them. But, it ends there. I find hanging out with them boring and depressing. There are far more interesting things to do in this city. Great restaurants and a booming indie music scene to name two.
Sad case if you have not been with a normal woman whose company you actually enjoy.Nah, I prefer the company of abnormal women, especially the vaginas of the deaf & dumb. Normal good girls are far too boring, drama queens & can't keep their mouths shut. I'd pay them to leave me alone. For the most part the same applies to the bad girls, too, although about twice a year I like to hang with them for about 5 minutes.
I myself would not have sex with ugly women for money.Maybe you are wealthy. I would certainly consider servicing women for money if it paid a lot more than what I get now and I was good at it.
Many of the bargirls need money urgently. They are not patient to to wait for years of degree and a good job if they happened to be smart enough. WG is the only way they see they can get money in a hurry.
However some girls with degree still can't handle English. Don't know why.
Don't worry. I have it right. Bargirls are for getting sex and in some cases really great sex or really great body or both. I don't want her trying to get in my head. I had an ex GF that liked to ask very difficult questions like conundrums all the time. Got a bit tiresome. I like a more peaceful environment at home. Ex wife was well educated had a stressful job and all she brought home was stress and and negativity. No thanks. Sex with her was no fun too. She wasn't even clean enough.
I like to look at naked girls too on occasion. Bargirls have their use.
Maybe you are wealthy. I would certainly consider servicing women for money if it paid a lot more than what I get now and I was good at it.
Many of the bargirls need money urgently. They are not patient to to wait for years of degree and a good job if they happened to be smart enough. WG is the only way they see they can get money in a hurry.
However some girls with degree still can't handle English. Don't know why.
Don't worry. I have it right. Bargirls are for getting sex and in some cases really great sex or really great body or both. I don't want her trying to get in my head. I had an ex GF that liked to ask very difficult questions like conundrums all the time. Got a bit tiresome. I like a more peaceful environment at home. Ex wife was well educated had a stressful job and all she brought home was stress and and negativity. No thanks. Sex with her was no fun too. She wasn't even clean enough.
I like to look at naked girls too on occasion. Bargirls have their use.Nothing wrong with looking at naked women. Nice pass time.
Don't get me wrong, when I say "get in my head," I am only referring to stimulating excitement during the sex act.
I agree 100% about a peaceful home life. That is essential. I think when treated well Thai women help to create that environment.
about twice a year i like to hang with them for about 5 minutes.is that your cumming speed? ah ah ah - for me that includes shower.
Somewhere15
12-12-13, 19:34
Quote Originally Posted by Somewhere15 [View Original Post]
6 others, beside some food where totally free.
Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.Yes it sometimes costs some times.
When I walk through Soi 4 I see many mongers for hours in a bar with one beer overlooking to other mongers and their score.
I spend my time better closeby the swimming pool and surfing the net.
In the first couple of days your are right this costs some hours, afterwards you do not have time for the net you need to meet girls and enjoy.
And as I have to eat; why not with someone else?
But scrolling and dancing and drinking in discos is a piece of cake isn't?
I didn't do this before but do not agree with your comment unpleasent.
Would be different per person I guess.
Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.One way around that is a form of sarging where guys just go up to a female stranger & ask her for sex. Some claim to have success with this in the Western world.
Not sure how it would go over in LOS. You might get some replying "how much you give me?"
In Singapore there are strict laws against men harrassing women, with the cane being one possible punishment.
NaughtyDog
12-12-13, 22:44
If it's not considered inappropriate among the interpersonal bickering and dick waving, I'd like to submit a Bangkok report.
Bamboo M.assage
Anyway, I had a visit the other day with Ploy at Bamboo massage. If you don't know it, the place is on Soi 8, which is close to the Nana BTS stop, where all the Indian tailors are. If you glance down that street you'll see a big sign high on the left, pointing to an alley on the right. The way they handled my visit was a bit weird. When I walked in they just looked at me expectantly. I don't know whether they're used to more experienced visitors, but I prefer to be a bit more guided. Other places have a bit more of a "Please, sit here, look through our book, say who you like" etc. When I was confused they sat me down and opened the book, but then they just ignored me. The book just had pictures and a name, which is fine, but there was no way to even tell who was working, etc. I chose Ploy because. Well, no reason. She seemed attractive. She was a nice girl, a little more heavy set than most would like, I suspect, and possibly a bit older.
The session was very enjoyable, she was fun, friendly and outgoing. Into her work. Gave a very nice massage, but it was clearly more about the sex than anything. She seemed to like licking. Lots of little licks all over the place, often instead of just putting things in her mouth that I pretty much wanted her to put in her mouth. Still, came one time very pleasantly in a 69. Another having sex half an hour afterwards when she started to initiate. Unlike Cherry Massage where I chose a quite expensive Nuru massage, Bamboo I just got an oil, and the whole experience worked out a bit cheaper, I think. I gave Ploy a small tip, a few hundred baht, I think.
I'd go back, as the place is really close to me, but much as I like the girl I think I'd try someone else.
Dr BJs.
I actually went here last week, but forgot to include it in my last report. I've read about the famous Dr BJs on the web and wanted to check it out. Who doesn't like a BBBJCIM, right? The girl that most caught my eye was the one listed as EE on the top of the staff page: http://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html With those amazing lips, pretty face, and impressive recommendation she seemed ideal. I was lucky and she was available. (It was the middle of the afternoon, so it was pretty quiet.) Her reaction was basically nothing but disinterest. She walked up with me, but was cold as ice. She was abrupt to the point of rudeness. No clothing came off, I don't know if touching was allowed or what, but I was worried my hands would get frostbite if they went anywhere near her. I know these girls are paid to suck strange men's cocks for money. I don't expect them to always love it. But I've been with plenty of working girls who at least aren't.
I doubt I'll be back, I'd rather try Lollipop nearby. It's closer to me anyway.
DC-10.
I tried another NEP gogo bar as Angel Witch has become off-limits for complex reasons (I'll cover that in a bit). I made a mistake. I went in without looking in, and felt obliged. I bought one drink. There were three girls on the stage, none were at all attractive. There were two other customers, one was a quiet and possibly drunk man slouching in a corner with a girl doting on him. The other was an enormously fat, loud man sitting directly opposite from me, with two girls opposite and a hand in each of their crotches. It was. Not a good look.
Rainbow 4.
I went into Rainbow 4 and was immediately impressed with the number and quality of the girls. I was a bit confused that of the two stages, only one of them went topless. I've since found out that's kind of the deal. Rainbow 4 was pretty busy, but still I was surprised. No one seemed to care. No one thought I was a handsome man at all (probably a valid point) and no one said "hey baby". The girls when they were finished dancing didn't come looking for men who showed interest, and they seemed to actively avoid catching attention. It wasn't just me, either, it seemed general. I wondered if maybe it was a bar with different rules to what I was expecting, like if the dancers were not barfinable. Who knows? But nothing was really happening.
Angel Witch.
So, I went to Angel Witch because I like the girls there. I didn't want to barfine someone quickly, I was more keen to have a look around, enjoy the show, have a perve, etc. The girl that I took a few days ago was there, but she was with a customer doing her thing, so I left her alone. She came by later and I smiled and waved and she looked genuinely excited to see me. She apologised that she was with someone, and if she knew I was coming she would have preferred to come home with me. She also said she wanted to come and stay longtime some time soon, which she hadn't been able to do previously. She also asked, and this is interesting, that I not barfine anyone from there. She said another bar was fine, just not someone else there. She made me pinkie promise.
So, I stayed for a bit, and had another drink or two. I got talking to one of the bar girls. Not the dancers. One of the girls running around with drinks. There was just something about her I found really cute. She asked if she could have a drink too, and I said yeah, so we drank and talked. Every now and then she would have to run off and work, but then came back. She had two drinks with me. I know they get paid a percentage of any ladydrink, I'm not naieve. I was happy to do that, though. Still, she seemed to genuinely enjoy hanging out, and really wanted me to come back the next day. I actually haven't, having been hit with a serious about of thai belly that's left me in my hotel room for a few days.
Does anyone know what the deal is with these girls? Can they be barfined too? I'm tempted to barfine the cutie, or maybe see if she wants to visit off the record. But I'm not sure what the deal is, or how much shit it would start with the dancer girl. It's not like there's no shortage of hot girls around, but I find myself oddly more attracted to the cute girls that are fully dressed and smiling than tarted up siliconed sex-kittens for hire.
NeverJerkOff
12-13-13, 05:37
A girl's education level is just not one of the things I'm pondering as I get my taint licked. Show me a girl that wants to talk up nuclear physics and we will see who's sex is better. And what kind of pretentious fool can only talk to people with higher education. Most these girls are completely different once you get them out of business mode, like a fighter who wants to break your jaw in the ring but would be the first one to help you out of it. This should not even be something you care about though as they are offering sex services, not emotional. Most the guys that girlfriend and wife them up, the girl is still in business mode but if you can get them to not expect much from you and look over the fact all the times they've had egg white on their face, they can be solid companions. I prefer women not in the business too but a lot of times they are no better. Especially, in a country that studies show to have among the most unfaithful women in the world, with over half the women admitting to it. Not to mention all the ones that expect something from you. I think the ideal situation for many would be to have a good, compatible woman at home with easy access to working girls for short, no strings attached, purely physical exchanges. Very easy here.
Franciscass
12-13-13, 06:28
Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.Absolutely, eating, drinking, talking, etc what a waste of time.
If it's not considered inappropriate among the interpersonal bickering and dick waving, I'd like to submit a Bangkok report.
DC-10.
I tried another NEP gogo bar as Angel Witch has become off-limits for complex reasons (I'll cover that in a bit). I made a mistake. I went in without looking in, and felt obliged. I bought one drink. There were three girls on the stage, none were at all attractive. There were two other customers, one was a quiet and possibly drunk man slouching in a corner with a girl doting on him. The other was an enormously fat, loud man sitting directly opposite from me, with two girls opposite and a hand in each of their crotches. It was. Not a good look.
Rainbow 4.
I went into Rainbow 4 and was immediately impressed with the number and quality of the girls. I was a bit confused that of the two stages, only one of them went topless. I've since found out that's kind of the deal. Rainbow 4 was pretty busy, but still I was surprised. No one seemed to care. No one thought I was a handsome man at all (probably a valid point) and no one said "hey baby". The girls when they were finished dancing didn't come looking for men who showed interest, and they seemed to actively avoid catching attention. It wasn't just me, either, it seemed general. I wondered if maybe it was a bar with different rules to what I was expecting, like if the dancers were not barfinable. Who knows? But nothing was really happening.
Angel Witch.
So, I went to Angel Witch because I like the girls there. I didn't want to barfine someone quickly, I was more keen to have a look around, enjoy the show, have a perve, etc. The girl that I took a few days ago was there, but she was with a customer doing her thing, so I left her alone. She came by later and I smiled and waved and she looked genuinely excited to see me. She apologised that she was with someone, and if she knew I was coming she would have preferred to come home with me. She also said she wanted to come and stay longtime some time soon, which she hadn't been able to do previously. She also asked, and this is interesting, that I not barfine anyone from there. She said another bar was fine, just not someone else there. She made me pinkie promise.
So, I stayed for a bit, and had another drink or two. I got talking to one of the bar girls. Not the dancers. One of the girls running around with drinks. There was just something about her I found really cute. She asked if she could have a drink too, and I said yeah, so we drank and talked. Every now and then she would have to run off and work, but then came back. She had two drinks with me. I know they get paid a percentage of any ladydrink, I'm not naieve. I was happy to do that, though. Still, she seemed to genuinely enjoy hanging out, and really wanted me to come back the next day. I actually haven't, having been hit with a serious about of thai belly that's left me in my hotel room for a few days.
Does anyone know what the deal is with these girls? Can they be barfined too? I'm tempted to barfine the cutie, or maybe see if she wants to visit off the record. But I'm not sure what the deal is, or how much shit it would start with the dancer girl. It's not like there's no shortage of hot girls around, but I find myself oddly more attracted to the cute girls that are fully dressed and smiling than tarted up siliconed sex-kittens for hire.DC-10 is pretty much on its last fat legs. Of course in a small place like that the girls do notice you, sometimes to your regret. Quite the opposite of RB4 where the girls will rarely give you a look even if you had 1, 000 baht notes tucked behind your ears unless they already know you. You pretty much have to go thru a mamasan to get them to come over or grab them as they walk by. But they are definitely barfinable. Waitresses are almost always barfinable, but sometimes the bf is more than for a dancer and sometimes if there are not enough staff on hand you will have to wait till midnight or so.
If it's not considered inappropriate among the interpersonal bickering and dick waving, I'd like to submit a Bangkok report.
Dr BJs.
I actually went here last week, but forgot to include it in my last report. I've read about the famous Dr BJs on the web and wanted to check it out. Who doesn't like a BBBJCIM, right? The girl that most caught my eye was the one listed as EE on the top of the staff page:
http://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html
With those amazing lips, pretty face, and impressive recommendation she seemed ideal. I was lucky and she was available. (It was the middle of the afternoon, so it was pretty quiet.) Her reaction was basically nothing but disinterest. She walked up with me, but was cold as ice. She was abrupt to the point of rudeness. No clothing came off, I don't know if touching was allowed or what, but I was worried my hands would get frostbite if they went anywhere near her. I know these girls are paid to suck strange men's cocks for money. I don't expect them to always love it. But I've been with plenty of working girls who at least aren't.
I doubt I'll be back, I'd rather try Lollipop nearby. It's closer to me anyway. Great report, by the way, many should get inspirations from this format - Lots of people seem attracted by this girl, thanks to her look: aggressive boobs, juicy lips and those glasses adding a secretarial look.
I have warned in the past that there is not always much substance behind her, and I was accused of having my own agenda. Not at all, as my reason of the warning was to avoid what happened to you.
I experienced her when she was at Annie's and was not impressed at all. Not to mention those boobs: the surgeon shoul dbe diqualified from the profession (and that is the reason why she does not remove her bra)
She probably went to Dr BJ as her image fits for the job and she doesn't necessarily have to get naked (but many may still expect some topless or fondling even in a BJ only joint).
Most likely she is also not much interested (anymore?) in the job and sees the years passing by.
She should better mvoe to another job in the industry and might find better satisfaction for herself too.
Somehow I feel sorry for her, but it is a fact we are paying and expect something back.
I think the ideal situation for many would be to have a good, compatible woman at home with easy access to working girls for short, no strings attached, purely physical exchanges. Very easy here.Absolutely. That is one of the joys of living here. It is ideal.
Ah I see a big problem with repeating a newbie bargirl more than once or twice. They start getting too dependent on you for success at the bar and for money. I was dismayed to find the girl had an iphone today, probably 2nd hand, where I was expecting her to try to save a bit of money, for the hard times when no customers (I have been her only barfining customer). She explained her previous phone was accidentally dropped in water today or toilet. I would have expected her to get it fixed rather than have a 2nd hand iphone 4 now which I presume costs a few thousand. She may have even had to borrow money to get it. I was only calling by quickly to give her the bargirls phrasebook Thai to English (150 Baht). So she did not get any money from me today, and I am about to leave the country so her main money source has suddenly dried up. I can only hope some other guys like her despite the zero English and dark skin.Show us a pic. Maybe we can take care of her.
If it's not considered inappropriate among the interpersonal bickering and dick waving, I'd like to submit a Bangkok report.Great report! Keep them coming.
I arrived at BKK early in the afternoon and without much delay I got through immigration and into the taxi in route to my hotel. For my first night I was booked at the Aloft on Soi 11 and for the next several days the Marriott on Soi 57. Reviews on both will be posted under the Bangkok Hotel section.
After being up for well over 36 hours with no sleep, I checked into my hotel and slept hard for about 4-5 hours. When I got up I decided that I was going to make my first experience in BBK a soapy massage at one of the high-end soapies on Ratchadapidesek. The Aloft was about an 8-10 minute walk to the BTS and it appeared that I could take the BTS / MTR to the area where I was looking to go. Given the time of day, the trains were full but it gave me a chance to experience rush hour commuting in Bangkok.
My first stop was Poseidon, a large and well known high-end soapy. The building looked like a hotel that has been converted into a brothel. On the second level there were about 12-15 girls behind the glass. I was actually very impressed with how attractive these girls were, but decided to go up to the third floor to see the models. I was greeted once I got off the elevator and mms escorted me to a comfortable chair to relax and checkout the girls. I ordered a beer and an appetizer to eat. I couldn't believe how many pretty girls were sitting across from me but I was in no hurry to pick. I wanted to take in the atmosphere, after all, I flew half way across the world to see this place. After about an hour of relaxing I finally decided to pick a girl and went with an absolutely adorable girl. For 4000THB/$125 USD I had an amazing 90 minute session with this lovely lady. Before leaving Poseidon I dropped back to the 2nd floor and almost picked another beautiful girl but I decided to walk down to Emmanuelle instead.
After a quick 10 minute walk I entered Emmanuelle and was immediately shocked with how many gorgeous girls were sitting on the couches waiting to get selected. I ordered a beer and relaxed for a while so that I could go again with one of these fine girls. Heck, I was in no hurry and it was fun to see the girls come and go. I would say the girls were all 7-9's and were beautifully dressed with full makeup. It's hard to say if the girls were better looking than Poseidon but I was equally impressed. While it was tough to pick, one girl just caught my eye and I had to pick her. It proved to be a great selection as I had an amazing time with her. Again, another 4000THB/$125USD for a session with an amazing lady! Where else in the world can you spend 90 minutes with a gorgeous girl for $125USD?
So I left Emmanuelle a little later than I expected and I missed the last train and had to grab a taxi back (Please note. Taxis in Bangkok are so cheap!). While I was pretty tired after having very little sleep over the last 48 hours, I asked the taxi driver to take me to Nana Plaza. After seeing all the YouTube videos, I sort of knew what to expect. (Another note. It is much easier to identify ladyboys in person than I thought it would be. The larger feet and heavy makeup are good indicators). After reading someone on this board say that Rainbow 4 had the best girls, I went right there upon arrival. Walking into Rainbow 4 was something I just never imagined. You walk into a small room with a stage to the left and one to the right with about 15 girls on each stage, and yes these girls were hot! These girls were not like the gorgeous Thai girls at Poseidon or Emmanuelle, but there were so many hot little bodies on stage sort of dancing. I quickly realized that even though I just had been to the soapies, I was probably going to have to take one of these hot little ladies back to my hotel. A 600THB/$20USD bar fine and I was heading back to the Aloft with one of these girls. While I wasn't sure how long I wanted to keep this girl, I decided to pay the 5000THB/$155USD LT rate for this girl and just see how it goes. I ended up keeping her for a couple hours and sent her home so that I could get some well needed sleep. While she told me at the bar 2 times for LT, I think she would have let me hit it as many times as I could have gone.
After about 30 minutes of trying to sleep in a room with no air conditioning, I decided to get up and walk to Climax. It was just a short walk from the Aloft and you can easily hear the music thumping as you approach the hotel. A 250THB/$8USD entrance fee also gets you one free drink. The club itself isn't very nice, but the music really pretty good and the place was packed with young Thai girls looking for their mark. I circled the club for about 30 minutes but just didn't see any girls that were really very attractive so I decided to head back to my hot hotel room and try to get some rest.
Geez now it sounds like American women.
Absolutely, eating, drinking, talking, etc what a waste of time.
Day 2 and I was able to get about 3-4 hours of sleep despite having no AC in my room. I decided to go get some breakfast at a coffee shop a few doors down from the Aloft. Back to my room for an unsuccessful attempt to get more sleep before finally checking out and heading to the Marriott on Soi 57.
While this is not the section for hotel info, it would be remiss of me if I didn't say how nice the new Marriott is. I pulled up and got out of my taxi and was impressed by the Thai hospitality at this hotel. While my room wasn't all that big, it was very nicely appointed and I immediately cranked the AC to a frigid 18C, closed the curtains and took an hour nap before taking the BTS to the massage places on Soi 24 and 26. My first stop was Addict and didn't see a girl I liked. I continued walking the area and stumbled upon on place on Soi 24/1. I don't recall the name but apparently they cater to Japanese men. I had a very nice 90 minute session with a lovely girl for 2600THB/$86USD. The facility was not very nice compared to the high-end soapies but the service was fantastic.
Back to the Marriott and now I am in desperate need of sleep. I got about 4 hours of rest before waking up around 8pm and planning my next Bangkok must visit place.
The concept of the g-club really had me curious so I did a lot of research about these places and decided that Pegasus would be the one that I would visit since they actually do allow you to barfine a girl at this g-club. A quick taxi to Soi 23 and I arrive at this beautiful establishment. Let me say, I am an American and I have visited the best gentlemen's clubs in the USA and there is no place in the states that compares to the Pegasus Club. I walked in and was absolutely amazed with how beautiful the place was. I was greeted by the manager and explained how everything worked. She then took me over to where the girls were and explained that the girls in white could go back to my hotel and the girls dressed in other colors were just "talking girls". Since I was just there to really check out the place rather than for sex, I just picked the girl that I thought was the most appealing. While these g-clubs are supposed to have the most beautiful Thai ladies, I would still say Poseidon and Emmanuelle had better looking girls.
My lovely new friend and I sat together for about an hour and watched the shows and made small talk. She explained that she is required to work every day and gets two days off per month. She shared that she does leave the club with the customer to go with them for dinner but never sex or anything intimate. Overall, I had a very relaxing enjoyable hour with a lovely Thai lady for 2100THB/$65USD which included my entrance fee, my drink, the ladies drink and hour of her time. Would I go back? Possibly but the girls that leave the club really were not all that amazing to pay much higher fee. If I recall, it was a 3000THB/$93USD barfine and then 3000-4000 THB for the girl. Trust me, if there was a 10 in the place I would have paid the money but I just didn't see a girl I needed to have. Besides, Soi Cowboy was next on my list tonight.
A very short walk from Pegasus is Soi Cowboy. While I did not visit any other bar in Nana besides Rainbow 4, I did make it a point to check out several clubs at Soi Cowboy. Of the clubs that I visited, I would say that Baccara was the best and had the most hot girls. Shark is okay and so is Tilac, but I hit about 4-5 others and would not go back to any of them. I sat with a nice girl from Baccara and almost barfined her but I wasn't really feeling the need for a girl at the moment and was just taking in the scenery. I did see a girl that I really liked but I did not grab her when I had the chance and I saw her get barfined and leave. She looked gorgeous in her street clothes. Not seeing anything I really wanted at any place, I went back to Rainbow 4 at Nana Plaza. I immediately saw a girl that just did it for me. She had the best little butt and nice little legs. Cute and appeared to have a friendly attitude. I could tell another guy was fond of her because he was slipping her 1000THB bills into her tback. I think he gave her about 5000THB while she was on stage. I inquired if she had been barfined and was told that she had. When this lovely lady got off the stage I asked her name and told her that I would be back the next day to barfine her. She apologized that she wasn't available but told me should would get there the next evening by 9pm.
Shortly before 2am I learned that Rainbow closed at 2 and if I wanted a girl, I would have to pick quickly. I opted to take a girl ST to a room upstairs for a quickie. I think I paid 350THB for the room and 2500THB for the girl and the 600THB barfine. So for about 3500THB/$110USD I had a okay session with a little spinner to end my night.
As I am leaving the ST hotel (or whatever you call it) and getting ready to walk down the stairs I run into the girl from Rainbow that I was so eager to take for the night. She was alone and in the cutest little outfit. She looked beautiful! We spoke briefly and she explained that her customer needed to be up early and didn't want to take her for the night even after giving her a lot of money. I asked her if she wanted to go back to my hotel and she explained that she had plans with her family in the morning but could come for a couple of hours. Into the taxi and back to the Marriott we went. While it might have just been a coincidence that I ran into her, it proved to be an amazing end of my second night in Bangkok. I would have loved to have had her for the night, but I felt very lucky to have spent part of the evening with her.
My third day proved to be great day. After spending a couple hours at the beautiful pool at the Marriott, I decided to try to locate and check out Le Belle. Since their web site did not say when they opened, I hopped on the BTS / MTR to Petachuri Road. Finding Le Belle was very easy and just a quick walk from Exit 3 of the MTR station. It is a huge building and immediately upon walking in I could see this was a step up from Poseidon and Emmanuelle. As you enter and go up the escalator you go towards the left and there is a really large room with the girls sitting at the far end with bright lights on them. I was immediately greeted and advised that they just opened and many girls are getting ready and would be down soon. Since I was in no rush, I ordered some lunch and sat back and watched as the girls started filling in. I could not believe how gorgeous the girls were and it actually made it difficult to pick a girl after I had finished eating. The papasan gave me a breakdown of prices (S, G, P, D, X, and L at 3800, 4400, 5000, 6000, 7000 and 8000 respectively). There were no L models and only a couple X models working. The papasan informed me that the L model are usually reserved in advance by regular customers. While 7000-8000 THB may seem like a lot considering that there are much cheaper options elsewhere, paying $225-$250 USD for 90 minutes with a 9 or 10 is a deal to me in any part of the world.
Needless to say, I made my pick and selected a girl that was a G so I paid the 4400 THB/$137USD and made my way up to the room. My girl spoke and understood more English than any other girl that I had met on my Asian journey. The routine was exactly the same as every other soapie which I am actually starting to become very fond of. These Thai really have their routines and are really focused on good hygiene which is awesome. These girls scrub every inch of their bodies and your's and always have a bottle of listerine for fresh breath. My session was great although I sort of felt like my model was trying to cut things after an hour and I pointed out that we had 90 minutes. No big deal.
As we went back downstairs I decide to sit back down and have a drink before leaving. The papasan came over and put a big push on getting a membership. As I understood it, you pay 30,000THB in advance and every time you pick a model it comes out of this and you get some bottles of whiskey and a complimentary VIP room. As we were talking an absolutely stunning model came out to start her shift. I saw her out of the corner of my eye and was blown away. I interrupted the papasan's sales pitch and told him that I needed go to the ATM and wanted her. When I got back a few minutes later she already been picked. I couldn't believe it! Papasan apologized for not getting her for me but asked me to just sit back and he would reserve her for me. Since I had no other place to go, I opted to wait for the 90 minutes and allow my body to recuperate from my first session. I am glad that I waited for this girl, as my session with her was probably the best of any that I have had in Bangkok.
After my second session, I was pretty zapped but decided to order some dinner before I left and it was delicious. It was sort of odd eating and looking up to a large group of gorgeous ladies in front of me. My head was telling me to pick another girl but my body was telling me there was nothing left in the tank after my amazing second session. I decided to leave and before I left I was told to come back the next night around 6pm because all of the models will be there due to a mandatory meeting. He said his top L models would be there. Leaving Le Belle I looked at my watch and realized I spent several hours there.
Leaving Le Belle I decided to head to Soi Cowboy and check out the girls at Baccarra. When I got there the stage was totally full of girls and the little club was packed with customers. It was sort of weird because over a 30 minute period I just noticed that girls were getting barfined left and right. I approached a cute girl and tried to talk to her but she would not speak with me. I asked the waitress to check with the girl and determine what was wrong. I was told that she doesn't talk to farang and won't leave with a farang. Over the next hour I came across 4 other girls that were the same way and I did notice that they did gravitate to the Asian customers. While I was a little disappointed that I was striking out even though I had a fistful of money to spend, I didn't let it ruin my night and just decided to go back to Rainbow 4 where I had great luck.
My Rainbow girl that I took back to my hotel the night before was no place to be found (should have got there earlier) and the girl from my first night was already with a customer and looked like she was getting barfined. I did see a really cute girl from my first night so I decided to barfine her and take her to the ST hotel. While this girl had the hottest little body, I just couldn't see myself taking her back to a five star hotel.
This nice Rainbow girl tried to explain the farang thing to the best that she could. According to her, a lot of Thai girls prefer Japanese men because they tend to have a small penis, cum really quick and spend money freely. Farang men tend to have a bigger penis, hold out and try not to cum quick and are not generous. She tried to make me feel better by telling me that black men and men from India are discriminated even worse than farang and that most clubs won't even let these men into their clubs.
Overall, a great day in Bangkok and I have really become a fan of these high-end soapies and their gorgeous women. I plan on checking a couple other places tomorrow before returning to Le Belle.
still struggling to get some good sleep, i was up early again and enjoyed a great breakfast at my hotel and tried to plan out my day. i decided to try to rest until around 1 and make my way to emmanuelle since they opened at 1pm. i then planned to hit le belle again and then make my way to either baccarra or rainbow 4 by 8-9 pm to possibly barfine a girl to hang out with all night. if i struck out barfining a girl i planned on checking out spasso at the hyatt.
i left the hotel and again used the train to get to emmanelle. i got there around 2pm and there weren't too many girls to pick. i decided to eat some lunch and since no girls were coming in that interested me, i took off for le belle. when i got there around 3 there were a lot of girls already there. they all looked so good and then one girl came up and sat at the rail behind where i was sitting. i turned around and got a flirty smile so i decided not to waste any time and selected her. she was considered a x so it was a 7000thb/$220 selection. this girl could get $1000 per hour in the us, so while more expensive than all the other girls, to me it was still a deal.
while i don't like writing play by play reviews, i will share with you that my session was a lot different than the two from yesterday. this girl was extremely passionate and total gfe. she was very affectionate throughout the session and even as we returned down the elevator to the main level. she was worth every penny!
since it was rush hour in bangkok, i decided to stay at le belle and hang out and drink for a while. after about an hour a lady was pointed out by the mms and i decided to take her upstairs. this was actually my only bad choice from my trip so far. while she was actually really funny and enjoyed trying to speak english with me, she didn't look as good up close and didn't have that great of a body. lastly, the session wasn't all that good, especially not compared to the one that i had earlier with the x that i picked.
something i should share with any that haven't been to this place, there are certain things you should know that i didn't know when i first went in. first, you are expected to tip the pps / mms when they help you with a girl. i was told 100thb but i gave my pps 250thb each time i selected a girl. also, you are expected to tip your model if you are happy with your session. i was told 500thb/$16usd was a reasonable tip. also, these girls get half of the 90 minute rate so a little extra generosity goes a long way. if you plan to come back to le belle, you want to tip the staff well to get good service. lastly, if you are not asian you are paying 1000thb more than the japanese guy next to you. the pps / mms really don't care to talk about it, but it was explained to me that it is more work for the girl to be with a non asian man and they get more compensation for it.
leaving le belle i took the train to soi cowboy and went to baccara. i got there around 8:30 and there were a ton of girls there. each of the girls that blew me off because i am a farang were there as well. for some odd reason one of these girls actually kept smiling at me so invited her over and bought her a drink. i shared with her that i was disappointed that she would not let me barfine her the previous night. she explained that she has never left with a farang and mostly went with japanese guys. after some nice conversation, she said she would go st with me but not lt. i declined and told her that i only wanted lt. after some negotiation, she actually agreed to go lt and kept saying that she had never been with a farang much less gone lt with one.
whether this girl had ever been with a farang in the four months she has worked there or if she was completely lying, i decided that i was going to treat this little bar girl like a princess. we went to the rooftop bar at my hotel and had some great conversation over looking the city despite the language barrier. the translation app on my phone helped a lot. after a couple drinks we went down to my room. instead of attacking this little hottie and treating her like a working girl, i took a very passive approach and let her be the aggressor. i then had sex with this girl like she was with a delicate virgin. i was very gentle and was totally focused on giving her pleasure. i don't like performing oral on working girls but i made an exception with her and she appeared to love it.
after sex we laid in bed for a while and talked. again she could have been full of crap, but she was insistent that i was her first farang. she explained that she only goes with japanese guys because they pay 3000thb for st and they get right down to business and cum really quick. the penis size is a big thing because she can be with 4-5 japanese guys st per night and not be sore.
we had previously agreed that she could leave at 3am so i woke her at 3 and all she wanted was to sleep close to me. i woke her again around 4 for little loving and we stayed in bed together til after 6am. she explained to me that she was going to get a lot of crap from all of the girls that saw her leave with me but that she wanted me to come get her again tonight. she must have asked me 4-5 times if i would come back for her. i did not commit to her but she was such a nice girl that i probably will.
this entire farang thing sort of baffles me, especially when it comes to the girls at baccara. as she explained, more than half of these girls won't go with farang and the ones that do get ridiculed by the ones that won't. it's almost like school girl peer pressure that's ingrained into that club's culture. as silly as it sounds, even after asking me to come in and barfine her again tonight and repeatedly asking when i was flying back to the us, she insisted she was going to stick with her japanese customers and avoid farang once i leave to go back home.
Day 5.
I had to take care of some business matters today but finally got out for a little shopping and people watching. I stopped by the Emporium and had lunch there as well. Getting out in the city really opened my eyes to Thailand and some of my misconceptions of what it would be like. I was expecting it to feel more like a third world country like when you visit Mexico, but that it is nothing like Mexico. I feel totally safe in this city, never feel like I am being ripped off by anyone and I am actually very comfortable in this city and can see myself visiting again.
After lunch, I noticed that I was really close to the oily massage places. I decided to check out the places on Soi 33 and stopped at Dream Heaven. This place actually had several hotties and I saw one really cute girl that made me want to stay. She took me down to a room that was really quite bad. This wasn't going to be anything like the high-end soapies that I have so much enjoyed. While I did a 2 hour nuru for 2500THB/$78USD and liked the girl, I ended up leaving after only 45 minutes. For the some reason I just didn't want to spend two hours in this place even though I liked the little spinner that I had.
This mid-afternoon massage actually helped me get some good sleep. I woke up around 8:30pm and immediately changed and headed out to Soi Cowboy. For whatever reason I really felt the need to see my new friend from Baccara. I suppose I wanted her companionship more than anything else. I got there shortly after 9 and of course there were just a ton of girls. The funny thing about Baccara is that I probably would barfine well over half of these girls. That's how many little hotties there were. I saw my friend and she said a customer just bought her a LD but she would be right back. I was sort of concerned that I was too late and she would get barfined by her customer, but 5-10 mins later and she was back and with a big smile. We were sitting at the bar right near the steps where all the girls exit and step up on stage and several girls made comments to her about me being farang and smiled. WTF? She then asked for the barfine and quickly went and changed. When she came back in her street clothes she sat with me while I finished my drink. Still more girls came by and said something to her in Thai but all I could make out was "farang". When we left Baccara I asked her why girls kept saying things to her and if they were teasing her about me. She informed me that she had told several of the girls about her evening with me and many were curious to see the farang that she was talking about.
Since it was Saturday and I had not had dinner, I told her we were going to Spasso for drinks and something to eat (but really I just had to check out this place!). We arrived at the Hyatt and I was quite impressed. I'm not sure how much nicer the rooms were compared to my hotel, but it had a good vibe. I paid the 1600THB/$50USD entrance fee for both of us which included two drinks per person. What I quickly noticed was that this place was filled with farang and very attractive Thai ladies wearing stilettos and short little dresses. Unlike Baccara where most girls won't even make eye contact with you, these little Thai hotties are all about the farang and are very flirtatious even though I was with a girl. I saw so many girls that I would have liked to have left with, but I was here with my new friend and was going to focus on enjoying her companionship. I will say that the band at Spasso was really great but my waiter was absolutely horrible. We ended up leaving Spasso around midnight and more hot girls kept arriving. I would absolutely recommend this place for a guy that wants to have a lady for the evening rather than a bargirl. I sort of regret not checking this place out earlier in my trip.
My last day of my pilgrimage to Asia and my sweet friend from Baccara overslept even though I tried to wake her up a couple times. A few times before she left she asked if we were going to spend my last night in Bangkok together and each time I told her that I probably would not be going to Soi Cowboy to barfine her. I think she was a little disappointed but given her good nature she just smiled, hugged me and left for her retail job on the other side of Bangkok. One more night with this sweet girl and I would have felt a connection and it was best to end it than have to say goodbye to her the morning of my departure. I didn't come here to fall in love or develop any feelings for one girl and that is why I never spent my afternoons with any girl that I spent an evening with.
Today would be a day of rest, as I attempted to try to get back on schedule with the US. My plan was to visit Le Belle one last time and then head to Rainbow 4 to barfine a girl on my last night. After a few hours at the pool, I took a great nap and then headed off to my favorite place in Bangkok. Well that is until today.
I arrived at Le Belle around 6pm and the pps who had helped me the two times I was there this week was off today. I got a mms that didn't speak very good English. There were only a handful of girls available and I was told only about 20 were working today. I opted to order some dinner and wait for some girls to come back downstairs. There were very few customers waiting around for girls, but one Japanese gentleman apparently was sent in before his friends to round up a group of girls. He had another mms helping him and she brought him every girl that became available. Sure enough he selected every girl that was brought to him and they sat with him in the lounge and waited for his friends to arrive. At first my mms told me I could take one of these for an hour but his mms said no. To make matters worse, the X model that I saw two days ago showed up but ended up leaving because she was sick. We spoke briefly and exchanged email addresses and phone numbers. Given that there really were no girls available and my mms was absolutely no help to me, I decided to leave without picking a girl and just go to Nana. I was a little frustrated with the way I was treated, but there was limited inventory and this Japanese guy was ready to throw down some money. These Thai establishments cater to Japanese men and get a lot of preference.
I arrived at Rainbow 4 shortly after 8 and it was busy with a lot of girls but nothing like the other nights. I immediately spotted the girl that I was with the previous night with the amazing butt and bought her a LD and then asked if she wanted me to barfine her. After she changed and came back, I told her it was my last night in Bangkok and that I might want to barfine two girls. I then selected another really hot lady and we were off to my hotel.
Laying in my big bed with two hot Thai girls was a perfect way to wrap up my trip to Asia. One girl was riding me while the other girl had her pussy in my face and then they switched. After the first time, some how I got hard again and just focused on one of the girls while the other one slept. I took her into the bathroom and we took a bath together and then fucked again on the edge of tub. After I finished and she was cleaning up, I gave her some money and told her she could sleep or go home if she wanted. She got changed and left as I got into bed with the other girl. I slept for a couple of hours and woke ready to fuck her one more time. Total GFE with this girl and again, I handed her money and told her she could sleep some more or go home. She changed, gave me a wonderful hug goodbye and left.
I do want to wrap up by sharing a few more things I learned about this farang thing. Both of these girls tonight shared with me that they have had bad problems mostly with farang that don't pay them. Apparently young guys get really drunk, can't finish and don't want to pay the girl. While I am sure this happens with men of all races, it's a bigger deal with farang. Both of these girls shared with me that like my friend from Baccara, they also prefer to go with Japanese men. They also shared that Japanese men pay 3000THB for ST and 8000-10000THB for LT and never try to negotiate with them over price. Yes, I am sure you can find girls to go for 2500/5000 like in a lot of postings, but if you want one of the hottest girls in the bar and she is going to be in high demand you better be prepared to spend some more money. Remember, if a hot girl works 8pm to 2am, she can easily do 4-5 ST in a night. If you want to take her early like the Japanese customers, you can't be afraid to spend a little extra.
So now knowing that I happen to like the type of places that cater to Japanese customers and are not necessarily farang friendly, I would adjust my approach a little to overcome being a farang and take one of these ladies out for the evening. First, I would give the girl a tip on stage (100-200THB) to make her know I am interested and will take care of her financially. I would then buy her a lady drink and possibly even tip her a little more as she is sitting with me. If she doesn't go with farang much if at all, she will be really uncomfortable with not being able to speak and communicate in English. I used a translator app on my phone and they responded well to that. Next, I would really try to make the girl as comfortable as possible by complimenting her hair or makeup. Next, in my phone I would type in a very appealing offer to her. If I want to take her LT, I would let her know that I don't expect her to stay til the sun comes up and she can leave at 4-5 if she wants. Again, this is only what I would do to take a girl that is not comfortable with being with a farang. One last note, if you go into one of these bars dressed like a sex tourist in shorts, a t-shirt and flip flops, don't expect one of these girls to talk to you. If you go in dressed really nicely like a businessman that is just looking for some companionship while he is in Bangkok for business, you will greatly improve your odds getting a girls attention. I appreciate there are probably a lot of places like Spasso where the girls love farang, but I seemed to be attracted to the girls that work at bars that are less farang friendly.
So after spending several days in Bangkok will I go back? Yes! The flight from the United States is really a ***** on your body / sleep, but I just don't know a place in the world where you can find girls like this for the money.
she is attractive and her fake glasses are her niche. she is good at her job but she is very to the point, nothing else. she did let me barely suck on her tits since i told her it would speed things up but she was not allowing anything else. it was only a few seconds of sucking nipples. she did have a good technique but horrible attitude. a smile goes a long way and if she would look at you as she does it it would be better since she is cute, but nah. imho [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) down soi 8 was better. a few cute girls. you can fuck them but ymmv. they are more customer friendly and not as cold. i haven't tried anyone else at dr bj. don't think its worth it to blow my load there.
great report, by the way, many should get inspirations from this format. lots of people seem attracted by this girl, thanks to her look: aggressive boobs, juicy lips and those glasses adding a secretarial look.
i have warned in the past that there is not always much substance behind her, and i was accused of having my own agenda. not at all, as my reason of the warning was to avoid what happened to you.
i experienced her when she was at annie's and was not impressed at all. not to mention those boobs: the surgeon shoul dbe diqualified from the profession (and that is the reason why she does not remove her bra)
she probably went to dr bj as her image fits for the job and she doesn't necessarily have to get naked (but many may still expect some topless or fondling even in a bj only joint).
most likely she is also not much interested (anymore?) in the job and sees the years passing by.
she should better mvoe to another job in the industry and might find better satisfaction for herself too.
somehow i feel sorry for her, but it is a fact we are paying and expect something back.
Member #4698
12-14-13, 03:15
So let me get this right: BJ only with EE? That can't be all that's available. If a punter wanted more all he had to do was order up full service for 1000bt extra on top of the BJ service, right? The web site states "for VIP Service + 1000" and then the VIP room has a bed and soapy tub. So I am assuming that full service is on the menu if you want it.
Personally I'd take L or P over EE any day. EE's tits are a bad joke. (just my opinion) Still if all I wanted was a mouth massage, I guess EE might be ok. Her lips look interesting.
First time in Thailand, first report. After checking into hotel, I walked up the street and was approached by "Pink" from Eden Club. We chatted briefly and told her I would be back. After walking around, I headed back and saw she was still there. We headed up to her room and negotiates began. She started with 3, 000. Based on the research I've been doing, I figured that was too much and countered with 1500. After some discussions, we settled on 2, 500 which I thought was still too much. I figured I would post a report and asked for more sage advice.
Pink is very nice look, hard to tell how tall she is because of high heels. She is petite and all natural. She does have a tramp stamp. I showered up and she started with BBBJ with was nice. Not great but not bad either. She did pay since attention to my perineum and ass which I enjoyed. She even rimmed me! She asked me if I wanted cim and to tell her when I was ready! The pop was great! I was hoping for a 2nd which I thought we settled on. But it wasn't to be. She wanted another 2,500.
Is MSOG the norm? Looking at the Eden website (and other) , they advertise 4, 200 for 2 girls. Is that all inclusive (less tip if 1 is so inclined)? What is the going rate for the ladies, less whatever the massage cost? Please help make me a better monger.
Thanks,
Cyberhard
ATexGuy, your field reports are awesome! Very objective, and including price breakdown for all transactions.
CheeChee889
12-14-13, 14:38
ATexGuy, your field reports are awesome! Very objective, and including price breakdown for all transactions.Great reports. Only photos could make them better. Agogo girls who can specialize in Ippuns are few and far between- good for them but most just don't have the look.
Only thing is I wish is that I see all these gorgeous girls the guy sees at Baccara and Rainbow 4. Both places are full of unattractive and mediocre at best-kind of girls. No way is Ippuns paying 10k for lt. On their froums they ask prices jsut like the rest of us and the common price quoted is 2.5k st and 5k lt.
When girls give stories I think they use the exception to the rule to make it sound better. Just because 1 guy paid lt 10k doesn't mean they all do.
Remember a girl that goes with farangs probably is not coveted highly by Japanese, exceptions noted.
So now knowing that I happen to like the type of places that cater to Japanese customers and are not necessarily farang friendly, I would adjust my approach a little to overcome being a farang and take one of these ladies out for the evening. First, I would give the girl a tip on stage (100-200THB) to make her know I am interested and will take care of her financially. I would then buy her a lady drink and possibly even tip her a little more as she is sitting with me. If she doesn't go with farang much if at all, she will be really uncomfortable with not being able to speak and communicate in English. I used a translator app on my phone and they responded well to that. Next, I would really try to make the girl as comfortable as possible by complimenting her hair or makeup. Next, in my phone I would type in a very appealing offer to her. If I want to take her LT, I would let her know that I don't expect her to stay til the sun comes up and she can leave at 4-5 if she wants. Again, this is only what I would do to take a girl that is not comfortable with being with a farang. One last note, if you go into one of these bars dressed like a sex tourist in shorts, a t-shirt and flip flops, don't expect one of these girls to talk to you. If you go in dressed really nicely like a businessman that is just looking for some companionship while he is in Bangkok for business, you will greatly improve your odds getting a girls attention. I appreciate there are probably a lot of places like Spasso where the girls love farang, but I seemed to be attracted to the girls that work at bars that are less farang friendly.Amusing. Some of us Farangs always operate as nice guys and not stingy (just a few) so we don't all need teaching. Some guys do need some hints though as they wonder why they never get a GFE.
My definition of LT includes morning wakeup sex, not leaving at 4 or 5. Having a girl in bed with me is of little use while I am asleep. So I definitely ask girls what time they have to leave by. The phone translate bit was amusing. It sounds like you are saying its practical, however I have not seen anything that does a good job of translating English to Thai automatically. Google Translate is quite shitty, for example. The Thai sometimes reads like nonsense. Perhaps O.K. for very simple sentences. Fortunately I speak Thai, so its not a problem to me personally. I would be interested to know what translator you use though, in case there is something good I am not aware of. Just an example of Google Translate stupidity. In English you make something a question with a question mark (in addition to things like starting with a verb), In Thai you must add a question word but Google Translate fails to do that, so it looks like a statement with a question mark stuck on the end. I have tried using it in opposite direction with probably worse results. German to English is also not good at all. The meaning gets mashed.
I have also heard of guys refusing to pay. I am sure Japanese would not do that, but its possible with many other origins.
Largely girls trust me and don't even negotiate a price. I don't abuse their trust though. On the other hand some girls say they are a little uncertain about me at first as I don't appear to be smiling much. Perhaps I would if something was funny. Anyway I usually manage to dispel their fears fairly rapidly. However girls do like a guy that is smiling and joking around a lot. So I do make an effort to joke around a lot and making fun of yourself is a good tactic to help girls feel relaxed. Girls like honest compliments too. Bullshit is not necessary.
In the end, if you can't manage to build the chemistry at the bar to the extent that the girl likes you, there is not much point to go with her. I certainly found a fair number of girls at Rainbow 4 to be too business like, but there are some good ones too.
I found a lot of girls at la Belle to be not very good and more suited to Thai and Japanese customers. Many seem to like guys with small dicks that cum very fast. No stamina and start to complain quickly. Don't like DATY, don't do good BJ, don't like kissing etc. Added to that the girls largely look too fake. La Belle is not my favourite place by a long way. Great if you manage to find a super girl there , I have not found many good ones (there are some exceptions). So could have been good fortune to miss out.
Oliver Kitsoff
12-14-13, 20:40
Nah, I prefer the company of abnormal women, especially the vaginas of the deaf & dumb. Normal good girls are far too boring, drama queens & can't keep their mouths shut. I'd pay them to leave me alone. For the most part the same applies to the bad girls, too, although about twice a year I like to hang with them for about 5 minutes.Every so often there's a post that nails it! Fuck, I laughed my nuts near off!
The flight from the United States is really a ***** on your body / sleep, but I just don't know a place in the world where you can find girls like this for the money.At prices ranging from almost $200 to $300+, plus bar fine, for long time, I can think of several!
Oliver Kitsoff
12-14-13, 21:14
First time in Thailand, first report. After checking into hotel, I walked up the street and was approached by "Pink" from Eden Club. We chatted briefly and told her I would be back. After walking around, I headed back and saw she was still there. We headed up to her room and negotiates began. She started with 3, 000. Based on the research I've been doing, I figured that was too much and countered with 1500. After some discussions, we settled on 2, 500 which I thought was still too much. I figured I would post a report and asked for more sage advice.
Pink is very nice look, hard to tell how tall she is because of high heels. She is petite and all natural. She does have a tramp stamp. I showered up and she started with BBBJ with was nice. Not great but not bad either. She did pay since attention to my perineum and ass which I enjoyed. She even rimmed me! She asked me if I wanted cim and to tell her when I was ready! The pop was great! I was hoping for a 2nd which I thought we settled on. But it wasn't to be. She wanted another 2, 500...Unless things have changed at the Eden club, this sounds weird! Or do you mean she was freelancing on the street near the Eden Club?
First off, you don't go up to the room and negotiate with the girls at Eden, the 'menu' price is what you should be paying, and you pay after the deed, to the Management. You may then tip the girls as they kiss you out the door. Also, I always take two girls at Eden as 3somes are their specialisation. The best way to do this is decide anal or not. Once that choice is made, you pick your 1st girl, and then, as many will advise you, let your first pick choose the second girl.
This ensures your get a great working team, and if the second girl is not to your taste, she can work your cock, or whatever, while you DFK and 'bond' with your first choice. If you really can't stand the look of the second girl ask your first pick to choose a second time.
You can also order up uniforms at Eden for no extra charge. Nurse, stockings, etc. You can get a lesbian act as well, or if you are really kinky you can even get the girls to peg you with a strap on, but be sure you are clear about your needs before you go upstairs, a lot of guys are shy about discussing all this in the bar when they are selecting the girls, that's just pathetic, imagine flying all the way from wherever, just to miss out on your wildest dreams because you were too shy to ask for what you want in case someone you'll never see again overhears you! The whole PSE is only limited by your imagination at Eden.
You really did get a little short changed with Pink, because at Eden they take pride in making you cum twice for the 'menu' price, and maybe three times if you can do it within the hour! Trust me, two expert gurls on your shaft if you have never had it is not to be missed!
When I negotiate a freelancer (usually at Biergarten or Thermae) I always settle for "ST.cum twice", and repeat it several times and get a "yes OK" several times, so there is no ambiguity. No girl I have taken home has ever upped the price for the second pop. ST to most freelancers I have been with has been between 2-4 hours, YMMV, if you are clean, not drunk, obnoxious, and treat the girl well, and have a laugh with her, and buy a few drinks at the 7/11 for her to enjoy in the room (breezer, Thai whiskey, whatever) you'll get you're moneys worth!
Pointy Stick
12-14-13, 23:30
So let me get this right: BJ only with EE? That can't be all that's available. If a punter wanted more all he had to do was order up full service for 1000bt extra on top of the BJ service, right? The web site states "for VIP Service + 1000" and then the VIP room has a bed and soapy tub. So I am assuming that full service is on the menu if you want it.
Personally I'd take L or P over EE any day. EE's tits are a bad joke. (just my opinion) Still if all I wanted was a mouth massage, I guess EE might be ok. Her lips look interesting.The price for VIP room used to be 2, 600 for 90 minutes. Since its 600 baht cheaper do you get less time for FS, can someone confirm?
At prices ranging from almost $200 to $300+, plus bar fine, for long time, I can think of several!Me too. I am from TX as well, and you can go to a Dallas AMP for about 140 or take a border run and pay a lot less. This dude is paying a lot for his fun. Up to him I guess.
Unless things have changed at the Eden club, this sounds weird! Or do you mean she was freelancing on the street near the Eden Club?You are right. It is not Eden but Plame Relax Massage which, is right next door. I realized this earlier but could not login to correct the report. I'll probably try Eden tonight.
Thanks for the intel.
Only thing is I wish is that I see all these gorgeous girls the guy sees at Baccara and Rainbow 4. Both places are full of unattractive and mediocre at best-kind of girls. No way is Ippuns paying 10k for lt. On their froums they ask prices jsut like the rest of us and the common price quoted is 2.5k st and 5k lt.I agree, lots of mediocre ones considering the prices.
What are the jap forums you are talking about?
Are you saying that "ippuns" are paying more, on average, than most of us on ISG?
CheeChee889
12-15-13, 14:10
I agree, lots of mediocre ones considering the prices.
What are the jap forums you are talking about?
Are you saying that "ippuns" are paying more, on average, than most of us on ISG?I'm saying the common belief that Ippuns are paying way over the top is just highly questionable. Their deameanor with the girls is not in question. Much more forgiving and not as demanding. Ask the girls-they will say very few troublesome Ippuns around.
Ponder this. Why would any race want to pay twice what others are paying? Makes no sense. Salarymen work hard like everyone else for their yen.
Wolvenvacht
12-15-13, 14:20
First time in Thailand, first report. After checking into hotel, I walked up the street and was approached by "Pink" from Eden Club. We chatted briefly and told her I would be back. After walking around, I headed back and saw she was still there. We headed up to her room and negotiates began. She started with 3, 000. Based on the research I've been doing, I figured that was too much and countered with 1500. After some discussions, we settled on 2, 500 which I thought was still too much. I figured I would post a report and asked for more sage advice.
Pink is very nice look, hard to tell how tall she is because of high heels. She is petite and all natural. She does have a tramp stamp. I showered up and she started with BBBJ with was nice. Not great but not bad either. She did pay since attention to my perineum and ass which I enjoyed. She even rimmed me! She asked me if I wanted cim and to tell her when I was ready! The pop was great! I was hoping for a 2nd which I thought we settled on. But it wasn't to be. She wanted another 2, 500.
Is MSOG the norm? Looking at the Eden website (and other) , they advertise 4, 200 for 2 girls. Is that all inclusive (less tip if 1 is so inclined)? What is the going rate for the ladies, less whatever the massage cost? Please help make me a better monger.
Thanks,
CyberhardWe all learn by trying (or by listening to the trials of others) :
As a newbie, never go with a girl without FIRST having established services and prices. Once in her room (or in the taxi, or walking to the hotel, or.) negotiations get more difficult. 2500 baht for a one shot short time is on the high side of the market.
In Eden Club you get all the shots you can manage in your 90 minutes. I usually get 2, sometimes 3 if the girls are really inspiring me.
Rimming is part of the deal at Eden. Most of the times I was there, CIM was no problem.
The price is indeed all inclusive at Eden, except for drinks and tips (a few hundred baht for each girl will do nicely).
Amusing. Some of us Farangs always operate as nice guys and not stingy (just a few) so we don't all need teaching. Some guys do need some hints though as they wonder why they never get a GFE.
My definition of LT includes morning wakeup sex, not leaving at 4 or 5. Having a girl in bed with me is of little use while I am asleep. So I definitely ask girls what time they have to leave by. The phone translate bit was amusing. It sounds like you are saying its practical, however I have not seen anything that does a good job of translating English to Thai automatically. Google Translate is quite shitty, for example. The Thai sometimes reads like nonsense. Perhaps okay for very simple sentences. Fortunately I speak Thai, so its not a problem to me personally.
Largely girls trust me and don't even negotiate a price.Negotiation is part of the game. Unless you have been with the girl before or know her well always negotiate the terms.
This is strictly business. Negotiating before will more likely save you from ugly situations with regard to money and service later. Once discussed most P4P girls abide by it.
Also it shows the girl who is the boss.
As per GFE it is hard to say which girl will give you. Depends on lots of chemistry between participants and also the personality. You cannot demand GFE. It comes naturally if it does.
Franciscass
12-15-13, 16:21
Negotiation is part of the game. Unless you have been with the girl before or know her well always negotiate the terms.
This is strictly business. Negotiating before will more likely save you from ugly situations with regard to money and service later. Once discussed most P4P girls abide by it.
Also it shows the girl who is the boss.
As per GFE it is hard to say which girl will give you. Depends on lots of chemistry between participants and also the personality. You cannot demand GFE. It comes naturally if it does.To negotiate or not? Depends on how much you know about the girl and the scene. For example if you are at an oily where you have not paid upfront it's the standard 500/1000/1500 tariff, no more no less. If you prepaid as you will at the soapies and now alas most oilies it's only a question of whether you give an extra tip or not. It's not obligatory but somewhat expected. 200 to 500 is sufficient. If it's a freelance situation, unless you know what the going rate is and this varies from place to place and girl to girl and you always pay over the odds then it's absolutely necessary to agree price before taking her home. Also be aware of the 'it's up to you' response. This is where she hopes you will pay over the odds and if you don't you will quickly find out what her base rate is when you don't. This also applies to go go's. As described this is a business transaction where she should know exactly what you are expecting in terms of service and length of stay and she should know what she is being paid. As regards GFE this is a fiction and simply part of some girl's skill set. Agreed where the 'chemistry 'is good the experience is better but don't believe the illusion that somehow she genuinely feels you are special and different from the pack. Just my opinion!
RockHound74
12-15-13, 16:26
Nice reports! It is good to see some actual field work vs arguing.
Thanks!
My last day of my pilgrimage to Asia and my sweet friend from Baccara overslept even though I tried to wake her up a couple times. A few times before she left she asked if we were going to spend my last night in Bangkok together and each time I told her that I probably would not be going to Soi Cowboy to barfine her. I think she was a little disappointed but given her good nature she just smiled, hugged me and left for her retail job on the other side of Bangkok. One more night with this sweet girl and I would have felt a connection and it was best to end it than have to say goodbye to her the morning of my departure. I didn't come here to fall in love or develop any feelings for one girl and that is why I never spent my afternoons with any girl that I spent an evening with.
Today would be a day of rest, as I attempted to try to get back on schedule with the US. My plan was to visit Le Belle one last time and then head to Rainbow 4 to barfine a girl on my last night. After a few hours at the pool, I took a great nap and then headed off to my favorite place in Bangkok. Well that is until today.
I arrived at Le Belle around 6pm and the pps who had helped me the two times I was there this week was off today. I got a mms that didn't speak very good English..
As regards GFE this is a fiction and simply part of some girl's skill set. Agreed where the 'chemistry 'is good the experience is better but don't believe the illusion that somehow she genuinely feels you are special and different from the pack. Just my opinion!So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.
CheeChee889
12-15-13, 17:31
I too am of the belief GFE is full of shit. They are prostitutes, they know it the guy should know it too. How many of you really think a prolific poster here, who is an old man is pleasuring girls as far as the eye can see and the girls are reciprocating.
Fair payment for freelancers is a tough one. What does one pay an ex-Rainbow star for an hour of her time? She was banned from A Rainbow due to being non-thai. I'm at 2500 baht now looking to go lower. Its business-her value isn't as great now that she freelances. She doesn't have dicks cumming at her from all angles.
The wild thing Nana Plaza 3rd floor. Interesting. 3 ugly old barfinable girls, the rest look like coyotes. Doesn't look like a profitable business model. Huge space very few customers-only a matter of time before bankruptcy. I won't be back.
Does anal cost extra at the Eden? If so, how much?
Oliver Kitsoff
12-15-13, 21:48
So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.Absolutely agree. That she's not different, and guys who fall for these chicks just because they give good GFE are playing Russian roulette at best!
GFE, yes it's a skillset, as Franciscass said, thing is, if I have a customer at my widget business, and I like him or her, I can make life a little pleasanter in a thousand ways, same goes for the GFE, by all means, negotiate, be masculine, dominate subtly, but the girl is a human being, she has a job to do, but it goes faster if it's done in the company of a Gentleman, and most humans respond to kindness and civility with kindness and civility, regardless of how much or little we choose to pay.
All I'm saying is don't throw money away, and don't be a jerk when you are working the deal or the girl. Simple.
CheeChee889
12-16-13, 03:09
Come on guys-stop saying you and girl really got along but you won't be doing her again. One time and finish means session wasn't that hot! You guys are not the lovers you think you are. LOL.
Franciscass
12-16-13, 05:05
So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.Actually to be fair the girls in the P4P space are not all the same no more so than say girls who are nurses or teachers are all the same. While it's true the so called GFE is simply part of a girl's skill set they do have different personalities and different attitudes towards what they do. Some are just naturally friendly and eager to please the customer while others for whatever reason are distant unfeeling and waiting for the pop so they wrap up and get paid. Being respectful and considerate doesn't cost anything and whether she is GFE or not both of you will come away feeling better about the encounter.
Wolvenvacht
12-16-13, 07:59
Does anal cost extra at the Eden? If so, how much?It is all included. Just choose a lady that stands to the left of the yellow line in the bar.
CheeChee889
12-16-13, 10:18
Who says Thais have no business sense? DaBed hotel in suk. Soi 4 has lowered its short time rate to 300 baht from 350 baht.
Must be due to to lack of customers. Or maybe its customer appreciation week.
RE-GFE skillset. I don't think its even a skillset- some girls are just easy to get along with. Its how they are. These must get a lot of repeat business.
RockHound74
12-16-13, 15:56
I hope this girl was damn good for 5000THB. I have not been to Rainbow4 but if you paid 5000 for her I might have to go check it out next time for some stunners. I usually pay 3000 for LT and get 3 pops (2 through the night and one for a wake up call).
A 600THB/$20USD bar fine and I was heading back to the Aloft with one of these girls. While I wasn't sure how long I wanted to keep this girl, I decided to pay the 5000THB/$155USD LT rate for this girl and just see how it goes. I ended up keeping her for a couple hours and sent her home so that I could get some well needed sleep. While she told me at the bar 2 times for LT, I think she would have let me hit it as many times as I could have gone.
Who says Thais have no business sense? DaBed hotel in suk. Soi 4 has lowered its short time rate to 300 baht from 350 baht.
Must be due to to lack of customers. Or maybe its customer appreciation week.
RE-GFE skillset. I don't think its even a skillset- some girls are just easy to get along with. Its how they are. These must get a lot of repeat business.I wonder, that with your attitude, that you get anything worthwhile from the women. Sorry that your GF dumped you, but there is no need to bash people who are looking for that GFE experience. Yes, they all know it is an illusion but for that brief moment they feel good. So what is wrong with that. You need a different and positive attitude, man. Time to contribute something more than your 7 posts of nothing.
Does anal cost extra at the Eden? If so, how much?Do a search here on Eden and you will find tons of reports on what happens at Eden.
Do a search here on Eden and you will find tons of reports on what happens at Eden.Http://www.edenbangkok.com
Just as easy to post a link.
CheeChee889
12-17-13, 01:22
I hope this girl was damn good for 5000THB. I have not been to Rainbow4 but if you paid 5000 for her I might have to go check it out next time for some stunners. I usually pay 3000 for LT and get 3 pops (2 through the night and one for a wake up call).5000 is normal price! I'd like to see what you get at Rainb 4 for 3,000 baht. Does the girl bring her own bag to wear while having sex?
Who says Thais have no business sense? DaBed hotel in suk. Soi 4 has lowered its short time rate to 300 baht from 350 baht.Its probably purely that a competition ST Hotel is a better standard or better price, so they were forced to lower price or have no customers. There are several ST Hotel options.
Sure GFE is not exactly a skill set. Its just that some girls are willing to have a good time (with the right customer) to some extent as well as make money. Non-GFE girls are more for making it business like or procedural for the customer, which is an anti-skill. Who wants to fuck a dead-fish type? Others know how to move their hips and know how to make their pussy squeeze and massage the dick. That is a skill or ability. They don't have to do it if they don't want to but certainly helps the experience greatly for me and many others. Nice DFK makes me hard quicker than any other way.
So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.Very cynical attitude, coming from years of disappointment. Every girl is obviously different. It just depends of the extent. Their are great girls well worth repeating for years (for me) , and there are ordinary girls not worth repeating, and there are shockers that I don't meet too often. Their are working girls looking for a boyfriend to settle down. Its just they do sex for a living until they find a good guy, that can solve their problems.
Their are some lovely girls, who may not have special skills, that are forced into the business from severe urgent economic problems. Their are girls that have a work ethic that results in very good honest service for the money. Keep an open mind. The character of working girls varies tremendously. Sure, don't trust them too easily.
Come on guys-stop saying you and girl really got along but you won't be doing her again. One time and finish means session wasn't that hot! You guys are not the lovers you think you are. LOL.What is your point? Are you actually saying anything here? Is up to every guy whether they like repeating or want to repeat.
Very cynical attitude, coming from years of disappointment. Every girl is obviously different. It just depends of the extent. Their are great girls well worth repeating for years (for me) , and there are ordinary girls not worth repeating, and there are shockers that I don't meet too often. Their are working girls looking for a boyfriend to settle down. Its just they do sex for a living until they find a good guy, that can solve their problems.
Their are some lovely girls, who may not have special skills, that are forced into the business from severe urgent economic problems. Their are girls that have a work ethic that results in very good honest service for the money. Keep an open mind. The character of working girls varies tremendously. Sure, don't trust them too easily.Cynical? No realistic. Coming from years of living here and years of seeing dude's attempts at relationships with working girls.
Years of disappointment? Had a blast in the past. Still have some fun at times.
"Severe urgent economic problems" are usually the result of bad decisions. No one is "forced" into the business unless they are sold, which is a crime. Yes, I have met girls who have a good work ethic, but they are few and far between. Working in the sex industry is the easy way out. Always has been. They have choices. More and more each day. That is why the quality of gal has gone down so much.
Problem is exactly what you stated above, a guy that can solve their problems. A guy can't solve her problems. He can be bled dry by a parasitic family in the blink of an eye. He can be left high and dry when she finds a "gooder guy."
Come on guys-stop saying you and girl really got along but you won't be doing her again. One time and finish means session wasn't that hot! You guys are not the lovers you think you are. LOL.I disagree. I'm normally a "one and done" guy, but it doesn't mean that I didn't get along with the girl or that I didn't find her attractive or good in bed. In Bangkok (or any mongering destination) , I'm not looking for a girlfriend or a wife. I'm on a vacation and an adventure so I want to sample as many girls as possible. If the girl was incredibly "hot" and I hadn't had any luck with any other girl, I might go back for round two; but I'd still be on the hunt for another "hot" girl. Life is too short and there are just too many "hot" girls to sample.
Little Jared
12-17-13, 10:09
Ponder this. Why would any race want to pay twice what others are paying? Makes no sense. Salarymen work hard like everyone else for their yen.Maybe that 'race' lives in a country where getting a similar service is freakingly expensive.
Some of the Japanese tourists will pay 50-60k yen (15-20k Baht) for 1 hour back in Tokyo, without blinking an eye.
Also, in Japan people just don't negotiate the price.
Sometimes I chat with Japanese clients at the bar and their pov is that places such as Baccara and Rainbow 4 are paradise compared to what they get in Japan.
I believe that many regulars to the BKK scene have noted that in previous posts. So I am probably just repeating what someone else said before. Sorry, it's just the 'race' thing that tipped me off.
I disagree. I'm normally a "one and done" guy, but it doesn't mean that I didn't get along with the girl or that I didn't find her attractive or good in bed. In Bangkok (or any mongering destination) , I'm not looking for a girlfriend or a wife. I'm on a vacation and an adventure so I want to sample as many girls as possible. If the girl was incredibly "hot" and I hadn't had any luck with any other girl, I might go back for round two; but I'd still be on the hunt for another "hot" girl. Life is too short and there are just too many "hot" girls to sample.I am with you there. Repeat? Maybe, but after some times passes, like a few months. I am not on vacation, but still want new all the time. Problem is it is getting harder and harder to find lookers that perform at the drop of a hat.
Franciscass
12-17-13, 12:42
Their are some lovely girls, who may not have special skills, that are forced into the business from severe urgent economic problems. Their are girls that have a work ethic that results in very good honest service for the money. Keep an open mind. The character of working girls varies tremendously. Sure, don't trust them too easily.We talk about what the girls are like and whether they are different or not. Perhaps it's just as valid to discuss the guys and what we are like. Are we all the same, no of course not. Personally I wouldn't mind reading a forum where the girls discussed the Johns, the sessions they have and what makes up a great experience for them. I could be a mile off the mark but my guess would be in order of priority, generosity, hygiene, good manners and a sense of humor and no doubt if he looks half way decent while not that important definitely a bonus. Despite what we might like to think the BFE (boyfriend) and PSE is of minor importance to them.
We talk about what the girls are like and whether they are different or not. Perhaps it's just as valid to discuss the guys and what we are like. Are we all the same, no of course not. Personally I wouldn't mind reading a forum where the girls discussed the Johns, the sessions they have and what makes up a great experience for them. I could be a mile off the mark but my guess would be in order of priority, generosity, hygiene, good manners and a sense of humor and no doubt if he looks half way decent while not that important definitely a bonus. Despite what we might like to think the BFE (boyfriend) and PSE is of minor importance to them.Interesting point!
From my experience though it's not about the 'quality' (for lack of a better word) of a monger, it's the lack of insanity of said monger.
I don't speak Thai (and have no interest in learning) so it's a little difficult to for me to really get into a Thai girls head in a one on one situation (and I never repeat so my access to her little brain is limited) but often when I take 2 girls LT, especially during daylight, and in the last few hours, worn down from booze, sex and other fun things, when I know I'm spent, getting bored and am sending them home in a couple of hours I'll get them to talk about their experiences.
And with 2 girls, each experience sparks one from the other so it's less scripted and more sincere.
Rarely do they speak about good times and good guys. They always, in my experience, focus on the bad times either for them or someone they know. And some of the stories are truly ugly (and I'm no pollyanna) They all have some story where they got thrown a really big tip or they see a guy repeatedly who treats them well, but for the 'one offs' it's mostly its one horror story after another.
Now, I do not recommend this topic at all because it is a real buzz kill and it's hard to bring the conversation back around to ribbons and bows and my dick in their mouths when they get all fired up by bad experiences so that why I have only brought it up towards the end of a session.
I think that after just a little while of hooking, the 'fun' wears off and they are mostly in 'damage control' mode either consciously or subconsciously, which for a Thai lady is basically getting in and out safely and with the money she was promised.
CheeChee889
12-17-13, 17:18
We talk about what the girls are like and whether they are different or not. Perhaps it's just as valid to discuss the guys and what we are like. Are we all the same, no of course not. Personally I wouldn't mind reading a forum where the girls discussed the Johns, the sessions they have and what makes up a great experience for them. I could be a mile off the mark but my guess would be in order of priority, generosity, hygiene, good manners and a sense of humor and no doubt if he looks half way decent while not that important definitely a bonus. Despite what we might like to think the BFE (boyfriend) and PSE is of minor importance to them.I think fair pay and good manners are the most important. I doubt bfe and pse even is a blip on their list of priorities. I doubt on the bus ride back from issan girls are thinking of a senoir citizen giving them multiple orgasms.
Further. If ippuns were paying way over the top, the Rainbow stages would be full of hot girls trying to get a piece of the action. High season and just ok lookers and many not ok lookers. Rainbow 1 has a certifiable 8 in face and body quality-about as good as you going to get in an agogo. Very friendly too.
I saw even a Jap say girls run out on them early on their agreed on long times too.
Beer Monger
12-17-13, 23:24
Yep, get a membership.Done and done.
Mr Enternational
12-18-13, 02:59
Personally I wouldn't mind reading a forum where the girls discussed the Johns, the sessions they have and what makes up a great experience for them. I could be a mile off the mark but my guess would be in order of priority, generosity, hygiene, good manners and a sense of humor and no doubt if he looks half way decent while not that important definitely a bonus. Despite what we might like to think the BFE (boyfriend) and PSE is of minor importance to them.Manners? Are you forgetting that most of these hookers are back-woods country bumpkins who would not know good manners if it socked them in the face? And sense of humor? It is extremely difficult for humor to cross cultures that share the same language. The hope must really be thin for totally different cultures with totally different languages. Pay the money and ride the rides and stop trying to make friends with the carneys. Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks? Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger? They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.
Member #4387
12-18-13, 03:06
arriving back home early tuesday after a rather unusual mongerexperience starting with x mas giftshopping in nyc, meeting my special thaigirl in lax ending up as usual in bkk.
the nyc part was with a close friend from back home and nothing extraordinary about this. during my stay here i recieved information from my special thaigirl she was actually in los angeles for business. me so lucky. beeing weakned and aroused at the same time due to this info i left all my newly bought gifts with my wingman back in nyc and informed him why (he is a very close friend so he was ofcourse supportive). i jumped on a plane and arrived into lax a few hours later last sunday. spending a couple of days with ms sexy are allways nice and we barly left our santa monica hotel (loews is a very nice place by the way). as we speak of without stillettos atleast 170cm well off, pale and very sexy thai beauty it was all worth changing my travel initiery a tad (supposed to be a roundtrip to ewr only). after 3 days inside our suite (almost non stop) i was feeling drenched and my sperm was not white anymore and looked more like ky. i don't know the biology behind it but this girl can make me cum way passed my usual number in one day which normaly would be a maximum of 5 to 6 times incl change of girl at one point during the day.
while checking out from hotel i was once again changing my mind and quickly decided to join ms sexy on her late eve cathay pacific flight to bkk (via hkg) if seats available. i did myself have a late eve virgin atlantic flight the oposite direction, all well coordinated. she checked with cathay and she got me a seat next to her. ofcourse the virgin atlantic driver showed up at loews before i managed to cancel my bookings but he was a good sport, cancelled my bookings and drove us to lax (ofcourse he got generously tipped).
luckely the forward cabin was almost empty except from old fart mr grumpy occupying the 1 left suite. i guess he was a tad jelous as he obviously understood we knew eachother. after eating and getting into our handed out night costumes it was time for some fumbling and she joined me in my suite. sadly cathay does not (like emirates a380) have closed suites as we were in deep need of one. beeing constantly disturbed by a to attentive cabincrew (or curious i don't know) made me get only half a stiffy under the blancet so my mile high dream ended with a modest attempt. i certainly don't know if she jumping (slow) up and down with my slack willy inside her a 3/4 times counts? i guess also almost all my bodyparts were hurtful especialy stumach, hips and shaft / testikles did also played a big role here. ms thai was very wet though so i did fingerplay her until she was dripping making it look like i did [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) my pyjo. well well i tried and did fail. mr grumpy did give me the evil eye as he walked passed a couple of times.
finaly after a good 20 hours (incl stop in hkg) we arrived into bkk. as this for the time beeing is her homeground we kissed and said our good byes inside the cabin and disembarked the plane seperatly. leaving lax late wednesday eve i was sure i was arriving on thursday but it proved to allready be friday. i guess i should start to pay more attention and not living in a fog of hornyness.
taxied to siam kempinski hotel, checked in and met up with my friend (he resides in this luxury environment the lucky bastard). we hit the lobby bar for a few cold ones and planned the eve and decided we would hit one or several g-clubs as a substitute to barhopping. having resided in bkk for quite a while now my friend starts to know his way around the "must know" areas. luckely he is like me and don't enjoy streetwalkers, gogo's, mp's, barfines, beerbars so we are well adjusted into the regular girls and freelance scene. dealing with fl's we run a strict no price discussion program and girls mentioning money are ditched as it takes away the illusion of certain normality. that beeing said most of the girls dealing with me, if they want it or not, will be compensated from guilt. i find this works the best for me and motivation to perform for a fl are on the high side when she doesn't know anything about size of compensation (normaly these days it runs from 3 to 5k bhats viewed upon place and quality of the fl). i put my pride into chemistry building and a good screening process. if laughs, communication, smiles, kissing and fumbling eachothers bodies are on the high side out in the club things will hardly go wrong when it is time for processing the sex part. then the fl's usualy run a non limitation program on me and mostly stay to long time.
we hit g clubs named pegasus and the pimp. the pegasus was to stiff to my liking and looked very muched like a royal castle both outside and inside. a place quite on the hi so side and the girls were very beautiful. my friend have treated himself with a membership of the polite price 50k one year incl 10 grey goose 1l vodkas and vip access (extras free). we shipped a few drinks and yougurt and nadia joined in. i must say they have funny names in los especially yougurt. we finished a few drinks, tipped the girls and mamasan (1k each) and headed for the pimp.
the pimp in pratha uthid road was a very cool place. more like a combination of nightclub, strip joint, bar areas and nice seatings. it proved my friend also bought himself a membership here as well worth of 30k bahts (incl btls of tequila and grey goose). the girls are easygoing and fun and many of them were to my liking. especially one named fiat (another very fun name for a girl). some of her friends joined her and we were suddenly 4 girls and 2 guys boozing / fooling around. pricestructurewice don't visit g-clubs if you are cheap charlie. we spend probably on the high side so it is ofcourse possible to have simular fun for lower cost. the total bill when night ended was above 30k i was told and then my friend allready paid for the drinks. what will add up your bill on the high side are drinks for the ladies (400 or 500bht for each drink). the fun part is that even if you have prepaid bottles you are supposed to pay the girls even if they drink from your bottle. if a girl will come with you or not is totaly up to her and no one else. but inside pimp and pegasus (my friend told me) there are ofcourse girls who are willing to do this if they like you.
my impression talking to fiat and others was that most of them (atleast the 4 we talked to) were uni students, mid twenties and quite on the bright side. i must say these girls in general runs on a higher level than the gogo girls and the normal fl girl (my impression from looking around at the girls). inside the club their job is ofcourse to squeeze as much money out of customers as they can and fiat told on a busy night she could easily make 5 to 6k (her comission and i have no reason to not believe her). she was running a master in international politics and even if i started to become shitfaced no wonder she knew quite a lot (even our new prime ministers name). she asked her manager if she was allowed to finish early so around 1am we headed home to my hotel my friend left behind (he could not care less). i think pimp closes at around 2am. very cool place and much more casual than pegasus.
fiat was much better than the car after my impression and wow what a body. she was a tad shorter than ms los angeles but not by much (160 to 165cm) , nice firm tetas and an arrow of hair directing towards her clit area. very slim vaist and nice hips. her ass was as thight as they come. she was sucking my tounge and bit it. we did go on and off with sessions, had a room serviced red curry break, and back to work. she enjoyed me playing her ass with fingers and tounge. i used herpussyjuice as lube for some serious ass action but sadly while it went inside it was to hurtful for her so pulled out continuing doing her pussy. i managed to get her to leave kempinski around 4 pm with 4k unknowingly stucked into her purse. i will maby put her on my must repeat list.
when i woke up around 7pm i did surprise my friend in his apartment with 2 stunners from yesterdays pimp. i was stealing a whiskey from his minibar and watched them doing eachother. they did not leave until 9pm.
we arrived grease in suk soi49. very nice place with middle to hi so crowd and easygoing crowd. not a place for mongering alone as most girls come in groups but ofcourse if you are extremely extroverted and sociable you may have success. i find it more easy to have my wingman and soon after buying a couple of bottles we invited a couple of stunners eyeballing us over to our table. grease comes in a 4 fl package with different themes according to the floor. we sat outside area. the girls introduced themself as raja and nitcha. they were working colleauges (all info according to themself). told to be 30 but looked maby early 20. we drank, had fun, did some moonwalking and left for home with eachothers girl. made a short stop in mixx as it is along the way and the girls wanted to dance and it is open late. after shipping a few arrived back to my suite. we continued party (all 4) in my suite and it ended in sex activities both up and downstairs. nitcha was nice enough but my recent games have been rather on the very beautiful side. she was maby only 160cm or so but was a sexual monster (positive meaning). i did no work as she took care of that. she was as usual very gfe in combi of pse and did have no limitation. i asked for giving her a rep002 but luckely i put it in a humoristic manner so we just laughed it away when she declined (if she only knew). compensated her 3k when she left in the evening.
sunday met up with a cabincrewgirl i did make out with a couple of months ago. this time after dining at mezzaluna (lebua) we headed back to her apartment and developed the kissingprogram intofucking. nothing special as she most likely is in it with me for relationship purposes which i am not interested in as i am allready taken. she knows my wingman so i have to put it nicely to her when i return in january as i don't want to make him have hard time and beeing excluded from his exclusively group of cabincrewgirls.
now arrived back to a barking gf. omg.
CheeChee889
12-18-13, 03:20
Interesting point!
From my experience though it's not about the 'quality' (for lack of a better word) of a monger, it's the lack of insanity of said monger.
I don't speak Thai (and have no interest in learning) so it's a little difficult to for me to really get into a Thai girls head in a one on one situation (and I never repeat so my access to her little brain is limited) but often when I take 2 girls LT, especially during daylight, and in the last few hours, worn down from booze, sex and other fun things, when I know I'm spent, getting bored and am sending them home in a couple of hours I'll get them to talk about their experiences.
And with 2 girls, each experience sparks one from the other so it's less scripted and more sincere.
Rarely do they speak about good times and good guys. They always, in my experience, focus on the bad times either for them or someone they know. And some of the stories are truly ugly (and I'm no pollyanna) They all have some story where they got thrown a really big tip or they see a guy repeatedly who treats them well, but for the 'one offs' it's mostly its one horror story after another...Very well put.
Imagine a good day for the girl. A strange old man grabs her tits. Feels her vagina, put a penis in the vagina, ask if the anus is available, kisses the girl. Pumps for hours without cumming due to viagara, etc. All covererd. And this is a good normal customer. LOL.
All this day after day and they are rubbish by mid-20s.
How some guys think the girls got it good is beyond me.
Pay the money and ride the rides and stop trying to make friends with the carneys. Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks? Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger? They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.Some people prefer a bit of chemistry in their sexual life.
Rather than it being like recieving coke from a machine.
"If you enjoy pumping away on an object that would rather be texting on their smart phone than pretending to any interest in the work for which they've been paid? Then yes. This is for you!"
Fucking Brilliant!
Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks?
Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger?
They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.
Manners? Are you forgetting that most of these hookers are back-woods country bumpkins who would not know good manners if it socked them in the face? And sense of humor? It is extremely difficult for humor to cross cultures that share the same language. The hope must really be thin for totally different cultures with totally different languages. Pay the money and ride the rides and stop trying to make friends with the carneys. Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks? Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger? They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.Correct. They are akin to a West Virginia hillbilly, but with all their teeth. Most have very poor manners, are loud, and don't know how to conduct themselves. I find it so amusing when a monger takes an obvious bar girl in bar girl garb to a very upscale restaurant. Everyone is uncomfortable except the Dude. What a boob.
arriving back home early tuesday after a rather unusual mongerexperience starting with x mas giftshopping in nyc, meeting my special thaigirl in lax ending up as usual in bkk.
the nyc part was with a close friend from back home and nothing extraordinary about this. during my stay here i recieved information from my special thaigirl she was actually in los angeles for business. me so lucky. beeing weakned and aroused at the same time due to this info i left all my newly bought gifts with my wingman back in nyc and informed him why (he is a very close friend so he was ofcourse supportive). i jumped on a plane and arrived into lax a few hours later last sunday. spending a couple of days with ms sexy are allways nice and we barly left our santa monica hotel (loews is a very nice place by the way). as we speak of without stillettos atleast 170cm well off, pale and very sexy thai beauty it was all worth changing my travel initiery a tad (supposed to be a roundtrip to ewr only). after 3 days inside our suite (almost non stop) i was feeling drenched and my sperm was not white anymore and looked more like ky. i don't know the biology behind it but this girl can make me cum way passed my usual number in one day which normaly would be a maximum of 5 to 6 times incl change of girl at one point during the day.
while checking out from hotel i was once again changing my mind and quickly decided to join ms sexy on her late eve cathay pacific flight to bkk (via hkg) if seats available. i did myself have a late eve virgin atlantic flight the oposite direction, all well coordinated. she checked with cathay and she got me a seat next to her. ofcourse the virgin atlantic driver showed up at loews before i managed to cancel my bookings but he was a good sport, cancelled my bookings and drove us to lax (ofcourse he got generously tipped).
luckely the forward cabin was almost empty except from old fart mr grumpy occupying the 1 left suite. i guess he was a tad jelous as he obviously understood we knew eachother. after eating and getting into our handed out night costumes it was time for some fumbling and she joined me in my suite. sadly cathay does not (like emirates a380) have closed suites as we were in deep need of one. beeing constantly disturbed by a to attentive cabincrew (or curious i don't know) made me get only half a stiffy under the blancet so my mile high dream ended with a modest attempt. i certainly don't know if she jumping (slow) up and down with my slack willy inside her a 3/4 times counts? i guess also almost all my bodyparts were hurtful especialy stumach, hips and shaft / testikles did also played a big role here. ms thai was very wet though so i did fingerplay her until she was dripping making it look like i did [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) my pyjo. well well i tried and did fail. mr grumpy did give me the evil eye as he walked passed a couple of times.
finaly after a good 20 hours (incl stop in hkg) we arrived into bkk. as this for the time beeing is her homeground we kissed and said our good byes inside the cabin and disembarked the plane seperatly. leaving lax late wednesday eve i was sure i was arriving on thursday but it proved to allready be friday. i guess i should start to pay more attention and not living in a fog of hornyness.
taxied to siam kempinski hotel, checked in and met up with my friend (he resides in this luxury environment the lucky bastard). we hit the lobby bar for a few cold ones and planned the eve and decided we would hit one or several g-clubs as a substitute to barhopping. having resided in bkk for quite a while now my friend starts to know his way around the "must know" areas. luckely he is like me and don't enjoy streetwalkers, gogo's, mp's, barfines, beerbars so we are well adjusted into the regular girls and freelance scene. dealing with fl's we run a strict no price discussion program and girls mentioning money are ditched as it takes away the illusion of certain normality. that beeing said most of the girls dealing with me, if they want it or not, will be compensated from guilt. i find this works the best for me and motivation to perform for a fl are on the high side when she doesn't know anything about size of compensation (normaly these days it runs from 3 to 5k bhats viewed upon place and quality of the fl). i put my pride into chemistry building and a good screening process. if laughs, communication, smiles, kissing and fumbling eachothers bodies are on the high side out in the club things will hardly go wrong when it is time for processing the sex part. then the fl's usualy run a non limitation program on me and mostly stay to long time.
we hit g clubs named pegasus and the pimp. the pegasus was to stiff to my liking and looked very muched like a royal castle both outside and inside. a place quite on the hi so side and the girls were very beautiful. my friend have treated himself with a membership of the polite price 50k one year incl 10 grey goose 1l vodkas and vip access (extras free). we shipped a few drinks and yougurt and nadia joined in. i must say they have funny names in los especially yougurt. we finished a few drinks, tipped the girls and mamasan (1k each) and headed for the pimp.
the pimp in pratha uthid road was a very cool place. more like a combination of nightclub, strip joint, bar areas and nice seatings. it proved my friend also bought himself a membership here as well worth of 30k bahts (incl btls of tequila and grey goose). the girls are easygoing and fun and many of them were to my liking. especially one named fiat (another very fun name for a girl). some of her friends joined her and we were suddenly 4 girls and 2 guys boozing / fooling around. pricestructurewice don't visit g-clubs if you are cheap charlie. we spend probably on the high side so it is ofcourse possible to have simular fun for lower cost. the total bill when night ended was above 30k i was told and then my friend allready paid for the drinks. what will add up your bill on the high side are drinks for the ladies (400 or 500bht for each drink). the fun part is that even if you have prepaid bottles you are supposed to pay the girls even if they drink from your bottle. if a girl will come with you or not is totaly up to her and no one else. but inside pimp and pegasus (my friend told me) there are ofcourse girls who are willing to do this if they like you.
my impression talking to fiat and others was that most of them (atleast the 4 we talked to) were uni students, mid twenties and quite on the bright side. i must say these girls in general runs on a higher level than the gogo girls and the normal fl girl (my impression from looking around at the girls). inside the club their job is ofcourse to squeeze as much money out of customers as they can and fiat told on a busy night she could easily make 5 to 6k (her comission and i have no reason to not believe her). she was running a master in international politics and even if i started to become shitfaced no wonder she knew quite a lot (even our new prime ministers name). she asked her manager if she was allowed to finish early so around 1am we headed home to my hotel my friend left behind (he could not care less). i think pimp closes at around 2am. very cool place and much more casual than pegasus.
fiat was much better than the car after my impression and wow what a body. she was a tad shorter than ms los angeles but not by much (160 to 165cm) , nice firm tetas and an arrow of hair directing towards her clit area. very slim vaist and nice hips. her ass was as thight as they come. she was sucking my tounge and bit it. we did go on and off with sessions, had a room serviced red curry break, and back to work. she enjoyed me playing her ass with fingers and tounge. i used herpussyjuice as lube for some serious ass action but sadly while it went inside it was to hurtful for her so pulled out continuing doing her pussy. i managed to get her to leave kempinski around 4 pm with 4k unknowingly stucked into her purse. i will maby put her on my must repeat list.
when i woke up around 7pm i did surprise my friend in his apartment with 2 stunners from yesterdays pimp. i was stealing a whiskey from his minibar and watched them doing eachother. they did not leave until 9pm.
we arrived grease in suk soi49. very nice place with middle to hi so crowd and easygoing crowd. not a place for mongering alone as most girls come in groups but ofcourse if you are extremely extroverted and sociable you may have success. i find it more easy to have my wingman and soon after buying a couple of bottles we invited a couple of stunners eyeballing us over to our table. grease comes in a 4 fl package with different themes according to the floor. we sat outside area. the girls introduced themself as raja and nitcha. they were working colleauges (all info according to themself). told to be 30 but looked maby early 20. we drank, had fun, did some moonwalking and left for home with eachothers girl. made a short stop in mixx as it is along the way and the girls wanted to dance and it is open late. after shipping a few arrived back to my suite. we continued party (all 4) in my suite and it ended in sex activities both up and downstairs. nitcha was nice enough but my recent games have been rather on the very beautiful side. she was maby only 160cm or so but was a sexual monster (positive meaning). i did no work as she took care of that. she was as usual very gfe in combi of pse and did have no limitation. i asked for giving her a rep002 but luckely i put it in a humoristic manner so we just laughed it away when she declined (if she only knew). compensated her 3k when she left in the evening.
sunday met up with a cabincrewgirl i did make out with a couple of months ago. this time after dining at mezzaluna (lebua) we headed back to her apartment and developed the kissingprogram intofucking. nothing special as she most likely is in it with me for relationship purposes which i am not interested in as i am allready taken. she knows my wingman so i have to put it nicely to her when i return in january as i don't want to make him have hard time and beeing excluded from his exclusively group of cabincrewgirls.
now arrived back to a barking gf. omg.great report, sounds like fun, but the main thing i want to know is have you gotten some real raw denim jeans and ditched those diesels yet?
Franciscass
12-18-13, 05:25
Manners? Are you forgetting that most of these hookers are back-woods country bumpkins who would not know good manners if it socked them in the face? And sense of humor? It is extremely difficult for humor to cross cultures that share the same language. The hope must really be thin for totally different cultures with totally different languages. Pay the money and ride the rides and stop trying to make friends with the carneys. Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks? Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger? They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.Although speaking with the same tongue is obviously preferable you can have a level of communication without. Known as non verbal, body gestures such as eye contact, a smile, a hug, a kiss and touch can be just as sensual and connective as sweet nothings in her ear. As regards their background and whether they know what good manners are I feel everybody knows good manners when they see it. It is simply treating people with respect. Conversely we all know bad manners when we see it and unfortunately from my experience of life in Bangkok the latter is too often on view.
I find it so amusing when a monger takes an obvious bar girl in bar girl garb to a very upscale restaurant. Everyone is uncomfortable except the Dude. What a boob.Its the "meal of shame" Fabulous!
Especially when you have the waitress describe every dish to the little moron you are with and watch them both squirm. Hey, its included in the cost of the admission.
Of course one treat is that the husbands of the wives in the restaurant can't stop staring. And the wives too sometimes.
Its your own little puppet show!
Some people prefer a bit of chemistry in their sexual life rather than it being like recieving coke from a machine.Hey believe what you want, there's no wrong answer. Its your fantasy!
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