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Wolvenvacht
04-12-14, 19:14
Happened to you? Ha Ha! Surely you were the one responsible for it. LOL.Sort of, yes. The club was quite full when I arrived and I had to sit next to the dance stage. As usual in Suzie Wong, all dancer were fully nude and there was this dancer in front of me who was doing deep knee-bends and pushing her pelvis forward and getting closer and closer to my face. Was it just part of her dance routine or was she doing it on purpose? Anyhow, I jumped up and bend forward, meeting her pussy with my tongue. Perfect timing! She was a bit surprised, but didn't miss more than one beat and the club was cheering us.
Of course I felt honor bound to barfine her and we repeated that routine in more private surroundings later that night.
Paul Kausch
04-12-14, 21:09
Hey guys.
I am going for the sleazy / nasty / PSE fun.
Any recommendations?Dao at Snow White with a second lady of her choice is one suggestion.
Lord Necros
04-12-14, 21:44
Dao at Snow White with a second lady of her choice is one suggestion.Thanks Paul. I checked Snow White's site. Dao doesn't seems to be there. But there's a Dao in Eden Club.
Could it be she's the same girl?
My hotel was rather close to Dr. BJ's so I could see the girls in the daylight during my meal trips. That is the parlor's Achilles heel. They cannot hide in the shadows.
Most girls were unimpressive 6's. Their main selling point is threesomes.
Thanks Paul. I checked Snow White's site. Dao doesn't seems to be there. But there's a Dao in Eden Club.
Could it be she's the same girl?I suspect you checked the old Snow White site, which for some reason they keep up but never update. Here is their new website, which as of today does show Dao working: http://www.snowwhitesoi26.com/ladies.html.
Thanks Paul. I checked Snow White's site. Dao doesn't seems to be there. *snip*?I am fairly sure you are looking at the wrong Snow White website. Look for Snow White soi 26. Dao is on the site, I just checked. And I agree with Paul's suggestion about choosing her and letting her make the 2d choice. I look forward to your report. TTG
Lord Necros
04-13-14, 06:17
I am fairly sure you are looking at the wrong Snow White website. Look for Snow White soi 26. Dao is on the site, I just checked. And I agree with Paul's suggestion about choosing her and letting her make the 2d choice. I look forward to your report. TTGThanks TTG, but I am not sure if I will be able to make it there. I have only 3 days in Thailand and my rutting schedule is filled to the balls.
I am planning 4 pops everyday (too ambitious, I know _) and I am not even sure if I can do that anymore.
Since this is my first time there, I will be going to the most famous of these establishment, the ones over which I have salivated over for years.
Its more of a bucketlist at this point.
Eden Club. Bangkok.
Devil's Den. Pattaya.
Star of Light. Bangkok.
Tulip's. Bangkok.
Annie's. Bangkok.
Som's Heaven. Bangkok.
But yes, I do plan on writing indepth FRs for all the places that I visit.
Paul Kausch
04-13-14, 07:06
Thanks Paul. I checked Snow White's site. Dao doesn't seems to be there. But there's a Dao in Eden Club.
Could it be she's the same girl?Dao is top row, right most column.
http://snowwhitesoi26.com/ladies.html
Wolvenvacht
04-13-14, 09:55
My hotel was rather close to Dr. BJ's so I could see the girls in the daylight during my meal trips. That is the parlor's Achilles heel. They cannot hide in the shadows.
Most girls were unimpressive 6's. Their main selling point is threesomes.Threesomes at Dr. BJ? I thought that was Eden Club's main selling point. Did Dr. BJ took over that business model?
I saw on the website many girls mention they work with other girls, but I do not remember having read many FR of threesomes at Dr. BJ. Having two girls in your room is not the same as having a threesome with girls who are trained to work together as in Eden Club.
Also, expect crappy food, especially after great Thai food
I found the local food delicious - nice curries and so forth. Reminded me a little bit of some dishes in north Thai cuisine, or a bit similar to Indian food. Loved the little free side dishes of vegetables and pickles, and a bowl of sort of daal-flavored broth soup that came free with your main order (in many restaurants). However, you really have to get away from the tourist places and eat where the locals eat. I typically paid about 2,500 jaht (about 75 baht?) for a curry on rice, and with the free sides and a 'Burmese tea' it made a fine meal.
I'm rather jaded with Thai food, other than Southern Thai food - it seems much too sweet and lacking in a variety of spices like Indian food.
I found the local food delicious. Nice curries and so forth. Reminded me a little bit of some dishes in north Thai cuisine, or a bit similar to Indian food. Loved the little free side dishes of vegetables and pickles, and a bowl of sort of daal-flavored broth soup that came free with your main order (in many restaurants). However, you really have to get away from the tourist places and eat where the locals eat. I typically paid about 2, 500 jaht (about 75 baht?) for a curry on rice, and with the free sides and a 'Burmese tea' it made a fine meal.
I'm rather jaded with Thai food, other than Southern Thai food. It seems much too sweet and lacking in a variety of spices like Indian food.
Wow, been here for 15 years and still love all varieties of Thai food. Isaan, North, and Central. Not real fond of what is termed "Royal Thai Cuisine," as it seems a bit bland.
Love Southern Food though. Chaan Hom on Ramkhamhaeng 21 is just amazing. I have found very few Southern dishes that are sweet.
Great kua kling moo and gaeng luang. Probably the two spiciest dishes I eat on a regular basis. The gaeng luang at some places will cause you to burst out in laughter because it is so spicy. A real endorphin rush. Pla Insee Curmin, using fried Spanish mackerel coated in curmin spice topped with fried garlic is awesome there.
I have found South food to be an acquired taste. At first it is very foreign to the Western palate, even folks like me who have practically lived on Thai food for years. The first time I had a real southern food meal, I did not like it, but after a few weeks I had an urge to try it again. Been a fan ever since.
Member #4698
04-14-14, 02:55
Hi All,
I just left BKK about a week ago. I am in the PI now. BKK was amazing this time around. I don't recall the girls ever being more sexed up and randy. I will post a trip report after I return to the USA. For guys who postponed or cancelled trips to LOS due to the political BS, all I can say is, GO NOW. It has never been better! You will have an unbelievable time.
For me, I spent a great amount of time with my favourite Go Go girl, M, so I did not cover as much ground as I had originally planned. It kills me to think of all the great girls and venues I passed on this trip. Still, when I was on my own, I had an exceptionally good times at La Belle on 3 different occasions with 2 different girls so I highly recommend this place. It is expensive, but the quality of girls and level of their performance was the finest I found in Asia this trip and that includes some high end places I went to in Jakarta and Macau. I also had 2 very good sessions at EZ 1, an oily on Soi 24. Crazy House Go Go, the new bar, was very good place too. So was Climax on Soi 11. But the simple point I wish to make is that the BKK girls this time around were the friendliest and most sexed up that I have ever seen them.
Unfortunately, they haven't lowered their prices, but they have amped upped their enthusiasm and sexual performance. Even M, who I have known for 5 years now was never better in bed and was highly sexually charged. High season never happened this year so the girls are really acting wild. Right now and probably until the hight of the next high season 2015 you are going to find great super sexed up girls all over BKK and Pattaya. It is a bountiful feast. I will post a more detailed report on my 3 weeks in LOS as well as the other places visited on this 7. 5 week trip after I return home. Right now I am in AC and it is pretty good here too.
Western787
04-14-14, 04:06
Hi All,
I I don't recall the girls ever being more sexed up and randy. I Right now and probably until the hight of the next high season 2015 you are going to find great super sexed up girls all over BKK and Pattaya.Next "high" season? Don't count on it, because right now the odds are fairly high it will simply repeat the bust, although I guess it means even more sexed up women running around.
Western787
04-14-14, 08:31
Looks like this guy has probably a Go Pro (waterproof) HD camera mounted on a water cannon, better than average HD video of the craziness on Soi 4 in Nana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0AIzwE-Tzo
Lord Necros
04-14-14, 17:19
Looks like this guy has probably a Go Pro (waterproof) HD camera mounted on a water cannon, better than average HD video of the craziness on Soi 4 in Nana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0AIzwE-TzoI am scared now. I go there in 3 days and I don't want to get wet. _
Wolvenvacht
04-14-14, 19:15
I am scared now. I go there in 3 days and I don't want to get wet. _As long as you can still make the girls get wet, don't worry!
Lord Necros
04-14-14, 20:11
As long as you can still make the girls get wet, don't worry!BTW, congrats on the 1000th post.
Asian Flava
04-15-14, 04:18
Looks like this guy has probably a Go Pro (waterproof) HD camera mounted on a water cannon, better than average HD video of the craziness on Soi 4 in Nana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0AIzwE-TzoI've been here since Sunday and have repeatedly gotten soaked the last few days. It has been a fun experience but I agree with the veteran posters who replied to my previous post asking about Songkran info. It is fun at first but then gets pretty old. There are definitely some "hot spots" but hard if you are in the Sukhumvit area to not get wet when you head outside of your hotel.
Next time I will either arrive the last day of Songkran or skip it altogether. LOL I think (I'm hoping anyways) that today is the last day of the water fights. Something tells me it may still persist in a few pockets tomorrow.
AF
You guys really like nitty gritty on why I don't like Makkasan.
1. I am a business traveller, not a long term resident or vacationer in BKK. My company pays for me to stay at Novotel at the Airport between flights. I have no reason nor justification to stay in the city as we have no offices in BKK. Time therefore is especially short. Struggling with BKK traffic, taxi drivers or long walks to stations is not an option. I may have four hours on some occasions.
2. My experience at Makkasan has invariably been. Difficult to get a taxi from the station, difficult to navigate to the Phetchaburi station to get to Asok (no connection at that time, so had to walk out to the street, cross the street, then to the next line). At least at Phaya Thai one can easily change to Sukhumvit line.
For you guys that do live in BKK or get to take long leisurely vacations it's great for you.
For me, the weakness has always been that the lines were not perfectly aligned, unlike Phaya Thai. This wastes time. Agreed, the time from Phaya Thai to Asok is probably just as long, but at least it is airconditioned and comfortable.
Taking the City Line train is cheap but especially painful with many stops to return to my base at the airport.
Not all of us can have a leisurely stay in BKK. I would hazard that most readers would be in my situation, a couple of hours in an unfamiliar or new city.
Years ago, I used to stay in Hotels in Makkasan (e. G. D'Ma) , and it did not inhibit my mongering at all. Soapy CP II was close. Also Plaza, Aqua and Petchburi Soapies. Not far from MRT to go to Ratchada. Also easy motorcycle ride to Nana. Just so happens, I wasn't into Oily ugly porn stars back then. Okay These days Makkasan traffic is bad, but motorcycle through back Sois is quick enough.
Not that its relevant to the Airport Express in any way at all. If you were ever actually in BKK, why would you need to take Airport express from Phaya Thai? Just forget the Airport express unless it happens to really suit you. For years it never existed.
Okay You only do PSE Oilies. It was me I wouldn't want to stay right next to Tulip or the others. Working girls outside coming or leaving might recognise me too often.
These days I am very happy to stay close to Petchaburi MRT station. I find I can get to a wide range of mongering destinations quite quickly.
I've been here since Sunday and have repeatedly gotten soaked the last few days. It has been a fun experience but I agree with the veteran posters who replied to my previous post asking about Songkran info. It is fun at first but then gets pretty old. There are definitely some "hot spots" but hard if you are in the Sukhumvit area to not get wet when you head outside of your hotel.
Next time I will either arrive the last day of Songkran or skip it altogether. LOL I think (I'm hoping anyways) that today is the last day of the water fights. Something tells me it may still persist in a few pockets tomorrow.
AFI was supposed to stay in BKK from last Sunday till Wednesday. After two Songkrans in Samui and one in BKK I opted to cancel my stay in BKK and headed elsewehere in a non "Songkran" place, where I had a girl waiting for me. No P4P, so more expensive as air trip and 3 nights in 5 star hotel would havbe let me live and monger for few weeks in LOS. But that is life.
I've been here since Sunday and have repeatedly gotten soaked the last few days. It has been a fun experience but I agree with the veteran posters who replied to my previous post asking about Songkran info. It is fun at first but then gets pretty old. There are definitely some "hot spots" but hard if you are in the Sukhumvit area to not get wet when you head outside of your hotel.
Next time I will either arrive the last day of Songkran or skip it altogether. LOL I think (I'm hoping anyways) that today is the last day of the water fights. Something tells me it may still persist in a few pockets tomorrow.
AFI have been in the Sukhumvit area in the last week. I found that a good idea is to carry my laptop bag (emptied of course) in my hand; people would then never shoot water at me.
I have been in the Sukhumvit area in the last week. I found that a good idea is to carry my laptop bag (emptied of course) in my hand; people would then never shoot water at me.Just arrived. Hopefully it's all over.
No P4P, so more expensive as air trip and 3 nights in 5 star hotel would havbe let me live and monger for few weeks in LOS. But that is life.Which 5 star hotel?
Walked into Ipanema in Singapore last Sat evenin to find 5-6 girls from Shark with the Thai pimpstress that bring these girls over.
Walked into Ipanema in Singapore last Sat evenin to find 5-6 girls from Shark with the Thai pimpstress that bring these girls over.Has something changed into the local Asian politics and now Singspore and BKK are the same country? LOL.
I mean.. Of we start tracking back to BKK the Thai girls working our of their country, it will require a thread of its own.
I have been in the Sukhumvit area in the last week. I found that a good idea is to carry my laptop bag (emptied of course) in my hand; people would then never shoot water at me.You should try wearing it over your head then.
Walked into Ipanema in Singapore last Sat evenin to find 5-6 girls from Shark with the Thai pimpstress that bring these girls over.And do you like the Shark look? I find most Shark girls rather too similar to the fake Baccara look.
I went to Crazy House for a perv (look). One girl looked so similar to a famous athletic looking power girl from Tulip past, I was stunned. Could well have been a Y younger sister. Magnificent tits even if only a B and no nose job. She doesn't come from Udon though and name was May tattooed on her body. Her dance style suggested she would be good. Postponed the further probe.
I had already fucked a Boss MP girl twice and 3 other girls, on my first day so that was well and truly enough for me. Maybe would not have stopped some guys but I was getting a bit weak in the legs.
Twice bumped into a guy in the bars, one year younger than me who comes originally from just 2 streets away from where I lived as a kid. Amazed he was into groping girls despite having been a gynaecologist. LOL.
I have been in the Sukhumvit area in the last week. I found that a good idea is to carry my laptop bag (emptied of course) in my hand; people would then never shoot water at me.So they're not cretins then? Interesting tip. I'd hate to be found wrong with thousands of dollars of laptop destroyed though.
AV
So they're not cretins then? Interesting tip. I'd hate to be found wrong with thousands of dollars of laptop destroyed though.
AVA lot of the least thoughtful behaviour comes from the tourists from reports I hear. They are cretins. No would dream of carrying the laptop unprotected. Just a laptop bag is a good tactic.
A lot of the least thoughtful behaviour comes from the tourists from reports I hear. They are cretins. No would dream of carrying the laptop unprotected. Just a laptop bag is a good tactic.I've heard stories about Bali & Pattya. All my last experience is in PI where emotions are always close to the surface & never get in the way of logic. Coming to stay in LOS for a year or two in a couple of weeks. Will be interesting to report back my findings.
AV
Western787
04-19-14, 11:36
Fairly rare (and apparently) recent video of Ran Hime Japanese Karaoke Club on Soi 33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdXLljOLhrk
Amazing how many Japanese are addicted to nicotine, in fact one of the highest cigarette smoking rates in the world, vs Thai females one of the lowest rates of smoking in the world. In the video at least 3 of the 4 Japanese have packs of cigarettes on the table, Thai males also have high rate. Not suprising why so few Thai women do full mouth to mouth kissing, and could be one of the few advantages (non smoking at least) Falangs typically have over many Japanese nicotine addicted customers
I am very surprised management even allowed this video to be taken as it very clearly shows identity of the girls, so it must be related to business being way off recently
A second video which definitely could also only be done with full permission of the shop as he's using (as indicated elsewhere) a real Sony HDR not a hidden cell phone camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNEFbETLNzI
A lot of the least thoughtful behaviour comes from the tourists from reports I hear. They are cretins.I agree.
I noticed some of my fellow Australians making dickheads of themselves down Khaosan Road during Songkran last week.
Some of us should have to pass a test before we leave home to confirm that we have the intellectual capacity to travel to another country without making an arse of ourselves. My fear is that many wouldn't pass it!
Fairly rare (and apparently) recent video of Ran Hime Japanese Karaoke Club on Soi 33.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdXLljOLhrk
Amazing how many Japanese are addicted to nicotine, in fact one of the highest cigarette smoking rates in the world, vs Thai females one of the lowest rates of smoking in the world. In the video at least 3 of the 4 Japanese have packs of cigarettes on the table, When I see all those pathetic addicted morons sitting with their chain smoking friends in enclosed bars and other public places, sucking on their stinking smoke sticks one after another; ruining my enjoyment of the evening, I fantizise about how I could somehow make them regret having the social manners of barnyard pigs.
I'd love to, for example, find a way to insert a small explosive into each cigarette without their knowledge and then watch them go off with a poof in their face sending showers of sparks in all directions to burn holes in their clothing and singe their hair. Few things would bring me greater satisfaction than to watch their reaction and see the black soot on their startled faces. And that's the most benign fate I imagine for them.
As a real fan of DFK in many situations, I am anxious to hear about Thai aversion. Is this a limited think-girls don't want DFK or pretty broad. I ask this realizing it's really hard to generalize. But thought I'd try. GT
Wolvenvacht
04-19-14, 18:02
As a real fan of DFK in many situations, I am anxious to hear about Thai aversion. Is this a limited think-girls don't want DFK or pretty broad. I ask this realizing it's really hard to generalize. But thought I'd try. GTIt is not as much an aversion as rather that western style kissing is not part of their culture. Thai practice the "sniff kiss". Google "thai sniff kiss" and you will see many examples.
My Thai GF initially did not want to use mouth-to-mouth kissing, let alone DFK. But it took only little training to make her love it very much. (or perhaps I am just a good teacher)
Girls who regularly meet Farang will know how to do it. Just ask them if they want to do it with you. Just don't surprise your companion with a DFK. Build up slowly: sniff kiss, kiss on her cheek, closed mouth kiss, open mouth kiss, DFK.
This is just an opinion. After watching the Karoke video I thought to myself the following. 1. The smoking thing is not good. 2. The girls are fullly dressed and just
Sitting there. 3. Guys and girls playing with electronic toys. 4. Singing voices are bad. 5 Why would I pay a high price for this. I can do what these guys are doing in.
Any bar in town, except for the singing part. I hope they each took one of the girls home as this looks like a real waste of time and money from what I see on the
Video. But I am not Asian so maybe that is why I do see any value in it.
No need to visit a karoke place unless it is nude karoke joint.
It is not as much an aversion as rather that western style kissing is not part of their culture. Thai practice the "sniff kiss". Google "thai sniff kiss" and you will see many examples.
My Thai GF initially did not want to use mouth-to-mouth kissing, let alone DFK. But it took only little training to make her love it very much. (or perhaps I am just a good teacher)
Girls who regularly meet Farang will know how to do it. Just ask them if they want to do it with you. Just don't surprise your companion with a DFK. Build up slowly: sniff kiss, kiss on her cheek, closed mouth kiss, open mouth kiss, DFK.Been her almost 15 years and really out of the many hundreds of gals I have been with only a few, and I can count them on two hands, have ever had a problem with DFK. And when I hit the room and the door closes my tongue is down their throats. Never been into the "sniff-kissing" business.
Wolvenvacht
04-19-14, 18:17
This is just an opinion. After watching the Karoke video I thought to myself the following. 1. The smoking thing is not good. 2. The girls are fullly dressed and just
Sitting there. 3. Guys and girls playing with electronic toys. 4. Singing voices are bad. 5 Why would I pay a high price for this. I can do what these guys are doing in.
Any bar in town, except for the singing part. I hope they each took one of the girls home as this looks like a real waste of time and money from what I see on the
Video. But I am not Asian so maybe that is why I do see any value in it.
No need to visit a karoke place unless it is nude karoke joint.It is a Japanese and Korean thing, I doubt if we will ever understand it. Perhaps it is just an excuse to drink a lot of alcohol.
Fairly rare (and apparently) recent video of Ran Hime Japanese Karaoke Club on Soi 33.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdXLljOLhrk
Amazing how many Japanese are addicted to nicotine, in fact one of the highest cigarette smoking rates in the world, vs Thai females one of the lowest rates of smoking in the world. In the video at least 3 of the 4 Japanese have packs of cigarettes on the table, Thai males also have high rate. Not suprising why so few Thai women do full mouth to mouth kissing, and could be one of the few advantages (non smoking at least) Falangs typically have over many Japanese nicotine addicted customers.
I am very surprised management even allowed this video to be taken as it very clearly shows identity of the girls, so it must be related to business being way off recently.
A second video which definitely could also only be done with full permission of the shop as he's using (as indicated elsewhere) a real Sony HDR not a hidden cell phone camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNEFbETLNzINow, if they were all screwing or getting blown, it might be interesting, but Karaoke, meh!
It is a Japanese and Korean thing, I doubt if we will ever understand it. Perhaps it is just an excuse to drink a lot of alcohol.Also a Thai thing. It's amazing how many Thais think they can sing good but are actually badly out of tune. They are prepared to listen to others sing badly as well. I suppose I should not be posting this. It's not relevant to either sex or Bangkok.
Western787
04-19-14, 22:18
Been her almost 15 years and really out of the many hundreds of gals I have been with only a few, and I can count them on two hands, have ever had a problem with DFK. And when I hit the room and the door closes my tongue is down their throats. Never been into the "sniff-kissing" business.Yes, but didn't you just admit (a month of two back) that in recent years you had to walk out or end the sessions with certain P4P girls precisely because they didn't do DFK and / or GFE?
Western787
04-19-14, 22:23
As a real fan of DFK in many situations, I am anxious to hear about Thai aversion. Is this a limited think-girls don't want DFK or pretty broad. I ask this realizing it's really hard to generalize. But thought I'd try. GTIf you're dealing with street girls, go go's, and bar girls, overall you are looking IMHO at 30% to 50% WILL engage in full mouth kissing either LFK or DFK. (basically initiated by them) and I would guess much higher if you're a good looking young stud type, although I have never quite figured out why those guys need to hire P4P girls in the first place.
Apparently the general rule is full mouth to mouth kissing is not the norm in Thailand, and to the extent it is routinely practiced within normal Thai girl/boy relationships, its the newer generation where its more likely, and in any case its never or rarely ever (in normal relationships) going to be done in public. I've met girls new to the P4P business who have verified this, and in fact (true mouth to mouth) when kissing them one can sense a certain newness on their part that is actually quite attractive. Most still consider it to be a sort of taboo issue.
As for DATY its even more taboo, and many seem not familiar with it, although most are quite anxious to have it done again once they experience it. Of course DATY from their side of the equation is actually ultra low risk, even less than true kissing, so i guess they figure why not?
Western787
04-19-14, 22:28
Now, if they were all screwing or getting blown, it might be interesting, but Karaoke, meh!Some of the girls I believe sometimes do get taken out. That happens in Manila for sure, but maybe in Bangkok its less common.
Apparently the general rule is full mouth to mouth kissing is not the norm in Thailand, and to the extent it is routinely practiced within normal Thai girl / boy relationships, its the newer generation where its more likely, and in any case its never or rarely ever (in normal relationships) going to be done in public. I've met girls new to the P4P business who have verified this, and in fact (true mouth to mouth) when kissing them one can sense a certain newness on their part that is actually quite attractive. Most still consider it to be a sort of taboo issue.
As for DATY its even more taboo, and many seem not familiar with it, although most are quite anxious to have it done again once they experience it. Of course DATY from their side of the equation is actually ultra low risk, even less than true kissing, so I guess they figure why not?I think if you go back 15 or 20 years this might be true, but I really don't think so today. Most of the folks I hang out with are not in the P4P scene. I have discussed sex with my Thai friends and DATY and DFK are pretty much all on the menu for them and their girls.
Over the past decade Thai women (and not talking P4P here) have gone through a sexual awakening. Many are no longer looking for a husband and choose to be "working women" as they call it. They think nothing about going out an picking up a dude for sex. There is no real Christian guilt associated with it. There are numerous Thai for Thai sites and one only has to go to any club to see this in action. Being late 20s early 30s dude with would be a pretty good gig these days. My younger friends (both Thai and Farang) that I have met through the music scene never engage in P4P and are banging great looking, I mean great looking gals on a regular basis. Not only are these gals pretty, but they all have jobs, and they are not looking for a host to support them or their parasitic families.
Ever since I moved here Thai males have always expressed amazement at Farangs who choose poor working girls for girlfriends and wives. I must admit I concur with them 100.
But back on the subject. None of these young dudes have any issues with DFK and DATY and neither do the gals they date.
Yes, but didn't you just admit (a month of two back) that in recent years you had to walk out or end the sessions with certain P4P girls precisely because they didn't do DFK and / or GFE?And that is a very small percentage of the hundreds I have done. I would say that is a reflection of the lack of service these days in the P4P scene, and not indicative of what the majority of women here are willing to do. P4P gals here are becoming like P4P gals in most other parts of the world.
If you're dealing with street girls, go go's, and bar girls, overall you are looking IMHO at 30% to 50% WILL engage in full mouth kissing either LFK or DFK. (basically initiated by them) and I would guess much higher if you're a good looking young stud type, although I have never quite figured out why those guys need to hire P4P girls in the first place.When I was youngish here. 34 when I moved, I already preferred P4P gals because it just required such little effort and I could walk away after. Again, I found 95% of the gals to have no issue with DFK or DATY. But I do think if a dude is a fat poorly groomed smelly slob, the gals probably would not want to kiss them. I see lots of those types around; shorts, tank top, flip flops, gut (most are well over 10 kilos overweight) , greasy hair, poorly groomed facial hair, etc. Trim that pit hair, shave those pubes, taint, and keister, get to the gym, keep the facial hair under control, and dress well. Oh, and don't be an incorrigible drunk. Gets you quite a ways here really. If you weren't attractive to the ladies at home, you won't be over here.
As for DATY its even more taboo, and many seem not familiar with it, although most are quite anxious to have it done again once they experience it. Of course DATY from their side of the equation is actually ultra low risk, even less than true kissing, so i guess they figure why not?I am not sure that DATY is really more taboo at all. Obviously its behind closed doors and not a thing to talked about very openly. However I find fewer girls refusing DATY than not wishing to DFK. I have met a few girls who never experienced DATY before. They soon enough got to like it once they get over the thought that kissing her pussy is dirty. I think its very similar to not many men dislike a good BJ.
Some girls will stop it on occasions because they don't want to come every time. My P4P bargirl last night was willing to take very long DATY till Cum last night (as a good sleep would follow) but not this morning. Explaining that she could easily have 3 to 4 ST customers in a day (the busiest girl in in the bar easily) and she won't feel like working properly if she cums too often. However ask her any questions about what she liked and what she didn't like during the sex, all you get is giggles. They are often too shy to discuss sex topics very explicitly.
No need to be sceptical about her customers. This girl basically doesn't take new customers, unless she specially likes them, because her time is completely filled with regulars who ring to book her time. She usually does ST upstairs of the bar in order to minimise her time wastage, however she does do all night booking for guys she knows that are not too stingy and will not want to fuck all night. She actually called me yesterday to come over to my Hotel for a swim together at midday, as she lives very close. Originally, I wasn't expecting her till at least 6PM. So its not all business with her. She was willing to stay to have breakfast together. Shortly will be off too the temple with some friends. So actually quite a nice girl, even though she has her business money targets too. Doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs, no gambling, no tats. Quite an unusual bargirl. No apparent vices, maybe only the game on her Samsung. Another fun bargirl I know, has every vice and talks too much as well (like till 5AM in the morning when should be sleeping). Sometimes a less wayward bargirl is better. Actually several guys want to her to stop working the bar. LOL. However she is making well over 100K per month to finance building a house for the mother etc. So she is in no hurry to settle down with some guy and the money to suddenly drop off. Each bargirl has a quota of 10 "offs" (BFs) to achieve each month. This bargirl says she achieves her quota in just 3 days easily.
If a bargirl does not meet her quota of drink sales and BFs for the month, her monthly salary gets cut. Some girls have so much cut from the salary that there is nothing left. These girls will have made some money through drink commissions and sex with customers, however some bargirls are actually really struggling to make money if they have no appeal to the customers at all. So the really unappealing girls will have to leave some bars and find something else to make money. Not sure if some girls are managing to get sympathy fucks from customers.
There are too many fat girls in the bar for my tastes, as they drink too much coke and alcohol and eat too many carbs. Someone must be buying them drinks and helping keep them fat I guess. The No. 1 girl in the bar has no fat on her at all. Very tight body slim body and very cute. Other girls should know they need to lose weight and get into shape to start making more money.
If you're dealing with street girls, go go's, and bar girls, overall you are looking IMHO at 30% to 50% WILL engage in full mouth kissing either LFK or DFK. (basically initiated by them) and I would guess much higher if you're a good looking young stud type, although I have never quite figured out why those guys need to hire P4P girls in the first place.
Apparently the general rule is full mouth to mouth kissing is not the norm in Thailand, and to the extent it is routinely practiced within normal Thai girl / boy relationships, its the newer generation where its more likely, and in any case its never or rarely ever (in normal relationships) going to be done in public. I've met girls new to the P4P business who have verified this, and in fact (true mouth to mouth) when kissing them one can sense a certain newness on their part that is actually quite attractive. Most still consider it to be a sort of taboo issue.Is this your experience? Most of the info re TGs on this site regards (1) P4P & (2) northern farm girls, not the educated, Bangkok born, middle class, hi so, or civilians. Not even the type of P4P in the non farang market, which is the vast majority of P4P in Siam.
One thing is for sure. The P4P gals from the north are more liberated & worldly wise than they were decades ago or even 5 years ago. There are also way more & better kissers both in total numbers & per capita.
Walked into Ipanema in Singapore last Sat evenin to find 5-6 girls from Shark with the Thai pimpstress that bring these girls over.Met a girl working the streets of Geylang who claimed to be a SC gogo dancer. Some others who said they were from Pattaya & Chiang Mai. As hot as they were, the Viets & PRC were even more.
Western787
04-20-14, 06:53
I think if you go back 15 or 20 years this might be true, but I really don't think so today. Most of the folks I hang out with are not in the P4P scene. I have discussed sex with my Thai friends and DATY and DFK are pretty much all on the menu for them and their girls.
Over the past decade Thai women (and not talking P4P here) have gone through a sexual awakening. Many are no longer looking for a husband and choose to be "working women" as they call it. They think nothing about going out an picking up a dude for sex. There is no real Christian guilt associated with it. There are numerous Thai for Thai sites and one only has to go to any club to see this in action. Being late 20s early 30s dude with would be a pretty good gig these days. My younger friends (both Thai and Farang) that I have met through the music scene never engage in P4P and are banging great looking, I mean great looking gals on a regular basis. Not only are these gals pretty, but they all have jobs, and they are not looking for a host to support them or their parasitic families.
Ever since I moved here Thai males have always expressed amazement at Farangs who choose poor working girls for girlfriends and wives. I must admit I concur with them 100.
But back on the subject. None of these young dudes have any issues with DFK and DATY and neither do the gals they date.No doubt there has been quite a change in the last 15 to 20 years as the "sex revolution" (in effect women's decision to engage in recreational sex w / o the necessity of love, marriage, or committment) finally arrived in Bangkok, but the attitude of some of the younger expats seems to border on arrogance and its reflected by this Dude's' email this week to Stickman.
"Younger gen don't do bargirls."
"I recently discovered this website and have been reading through some readers' submissions and weekly columns. I am in my mid 20s and have lived and worked in Bangkok for 3½ years. I am completely amazed by some of the stuff on this site and not in a good way. Having shared the link around friends of my age they mostly had a similar opinion. The site is stuck in some kind of alternate universe where it is still 2002. The scene which is talked about may have been what most foreigners here did back then (I don't know) but it certainly isn't now, at least among people of my age. Other than a minority, almost all of my friends of similar age who live and work in Bangkok do not go to gogo bar areas except occasionally for a laugh if someone new comes and we take them to see the bars and the types of foreigners who go there. We certainly don't go to take women. It isn't because it's seen as wrong, but mostly that there is no chance we would pay money to sleep with women who look as bad as most of the bar women do. They are awful. Most of us meet girlfriends the same way we did in our own countries, randomly, at work, or at the gym, things like that. Girls that are far better than any found in a bar. With Thai women you always end up paying one way or another, but there is a big difference between spending perhaps a couple of thousand baht on food or whatever taking a hot looking girl out all night (who actually wants to go out with you) and going to some gogo bar and end up paying more to go to a room for an hour to have sex with a wreck of a girl who might have had sex 4 or 5 times that night and who doesn't want to be there and probably has to be drunk to do so. I noticed some readers complaining about the prices they have to pay for girls going up, and the quality of women in bars decreasing. How can anyone think it is a bad thing that Thai girls now have better opportunities in life than selling sex to foreigners." http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Bangkok-Songkran.htm
Western787
04-20-14, 07:23
On DATY they sometimes at least pretend its more taboo. Obviously its part of the game often times, to in effect imply without necessarily stating it " wow I don't really do that" while meanwhile they're helping you position a pillow under their ass to get a good angle. Obviously nearly all have experienced it before at some point.
Western787
04-20-14, 07:56
This is just an opinion. After watching the Karoke video I thought to myself the following. 1. The smoking thing is not good. 2. The girls are fullly dressed and just
Sitting there. 3. Guys and girls playing with electronic toys. 4. Singing voices are bad. 5 Why would I pay a high price for this. I can do what these guys are doing in.
Any bar in town, except for the singing part. I hope they each took one of the girls home as this looks like a real waste of time and money from what I see on the
Video. But I am not Asian so maybe that is why I do see any value in it.
No need to visit a karoke place unless it is nude karoke joint.You got to have a least some sympathy with Japanese dudes because aside from Japan now having an expensive P4P scene, the ballbusters (like the west) appear to have largely taken over that country also. Obviously that's Thailand's future too as the upward track toward affluence continues, although likely temporarily delayed a year or two while the red shirts and yellow shirts battle it out. Note the author of the video also did one recently OUTSIDE of Thermae, so he probably does pull out of there. I would think he perhaps didn't want to risk getting caught videoing inside. I mean why mess with a good thing? Especially as it concerns the Japanese.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Stick.k-Songkran.htm.[/url]Wow! Exactly. They are very arrogant. You said it well. But, hey most folks are when they are in their 20s. But you do have to admit, he has a point. It is a great thing that Thai folks have more opportunities.
The difference between now and then; I was 34 when I first came in '99. I was not only one of the youngest guys in the bars, I was one of the younger Farangs in BKK. Most expats were older and certainly most dudes in the bars were older. And almost all farangs guys back then frequented the bars. One of the reasons I choose to move to Thailand was I saw how good these older guys had it. It is very different now. Most of the older guys I see are with older girls.
Now there are scads of 20 something farang guys running around and yes, most have the above attitude about P4P.
Japanese guys are a contrast though. Go to Thermae and you will see lots of young Asian guys. They have no issue with P4P and tend to enjoy it. I know several young Japanese guys from the music scene and they love P4P. Of course they were not raised with the current anti-male feminist crap that many of the young farang dudes were.
The gogo scene has become theater. It is like Bourbon St in NOLA. It becomes more and more a tourist attraction each year.
Western787
04-20-14, 11:08
Wow! Exactly. They are very arrogant. You said it well. But, hey most folks are when they are in their 20s. But you do have to admit, he has a point. It is a great thing that Thai folks have more opportunities.
The difference between now and then; I was 34 when I first came in '99. I was not only one of the youngest guys in the bars, I was one of the younger Farangs in BKK. Most expats were older and certainly most dudes in the bars were older. And almost all farangs guys back then frequented the bars. One of the reasons I choose to move to Thailand was I saw how good these older guys had it. It is very different now. Most of the older guys I see are with older girls.
Now there are scads of 20 something farang guys running around and yes, most have the above attitude about P4P.
Japanese guys are a contrast though. Go to Thermae and you will see lots of young Asian guys. They have no issue with P4P and tend to enjoy it. I know several young Japanese guys from the music scene and they love P4P. Of course they were not raised with the current anti-male feminist crap that many of the young farang dudes were.
The gogo scene has become theater. It is like Bourbon St in NOLA. It becomes more and more a tourist attraction each year.Lets look at what he said: "almost all of my friends of similar age who live and work in Bangkok do not go to gogo bar areas EXCEPT occasionally FOR A LAUGH if someone new comes and we take them to SEE THE BARS AND TYPES OF FOREIGNERS WHO GO THERE. We CERTAINLY don't go to take women. It isn't because it's seen as wrong, but mostly that there is no chance we would pay money to sleep with women WHO LOOK AS BAD as MOST OF THE BAR WOMEN DO, THEY ARE AWFUL"
Let me skip the politeness: basically the oh so superior smug arrogant condescending little prick doesn't go to bars EXCEPT if "someone new comes" to take them to see the bars and laugh at and put down the zoo animals, the bar girls and their customers
Western787
04-20-14, 11:45
And it could be much worse if this prediction had happened 10 years back. From a post I spotted in 2003 archives by "GettingTang" posted 8-14-03 (#1165)
(report from year 2003 archives)
2 PART REPORT: SEX INDUSTRY CLOSING IN THAILAND!
First My buddy who resides in Thailand 6 months of each year since 1984, has dozens of Thai girlfriends and mongers at least twice on a weekly bases. He has just informed me that the Thai government is dead serious this go around about cracking down on the sex industry! He told me they have a 3 year goal to wipe clean the brothels and gogo bars servicing any form of sex, sex shows, or full nudity! He told me the ball game will be over in the coming 18 months. Sure we will always be able to find WG in the LOS, but it will never again be as open and robust as in the past. Angers me badly. To me when I went to Thailand and got off my long flight, it was like stepping into an absolute fantasy world, almost unbelievable. No place like it on earth. As much sex with beautiful women as any man can handle at any pace you want! Well, those days are coming to an end. He even told me they ran an undercover sting busting 17 locals using undercover decoys! They mean business this go around. Check the local papers, should be a story or two about the stings.
My friend also told me the girls are very worried, for many they do not and cannot take up refuge in the Thai slammer as they do this to feed themselves and their families!
Places like Jupiter and the Eden club will be shut down very soon, ole Marc might end up in the slammer himself, who knows.
It's a bad deal.
The Thai government did a huge economic analysis and came up with the following numbers in the report my friend sent to me.
1. The sex industry accounts for approx. 5.5% of the Thai GDP. A study done over 3 years by the Thai government itself.
2. Due to Thailand being recognized openly as the Sex Mecca of the world, they feel and estimate they are decreasing (yes decreasing) there GDP, from tourism and being viewed by most of the world for accepting this trade openly by some 17-19. The article went on to say, that by closing down the sex industry in Thailand it would set things back for a maximum of 2 years and then they would reap huge rewards from foreign endorsements and growth by cleaning up their act. This would be in the tune of some 17-19% increase in GDP!
They are dead serious this go around. Many governments today are indeed deeply influenced by Women, therefore these same women will applaud when Thailand cleans up their house by offering support! Thailand knows this now!
They are also forming a huge task-force of some 1200 officers in Bangkok alone, for the sole purpose of closing down the sex industry for good! Yes, they even plan to imprison Farangs. Boys, you better go get that tang right away, it's about to loose it's juices!
GETTINGTANG !
Paul Kausch
04-20-14, 15:01
Today's Stickman's first email of the week offers a nice retort to that adolescent's rants.
"The email from the guy in his mid-20s who writes,"The scene which is talked about may have been what most foreigners here did back then (I don't know) but it certainly isn't now, at least among people of my age." Yeah, I'm supposed to sound like the jaded old guy I am, but, OK pal. It's all great as you're a youthful stud who happens to be in Bangkok at the right time to meet Thai women who've shed many of their cultural proscriptions against co-mingling with farang, and now have communication vectors making it convenient. Let's hear from you in a decade or two, after maybe, just maybe, you've been raked over the coals by an avaricious family and your former teeruk has her golden parachute, your DNA in her kids. After you've grown weary of corruption / incompetence, built the house and learned you can't own the land, seen your fortune dwindle and learned how merciless Thai courts can be when it comes to divorce proceedings. Let's hope this doesn't happen. Plenty of happy couples out there. But in your mid-20s, you don't even know what the wringer looks like, let alone been through it. And yes, there are those whose chick magnet days are memories, who've been married / divorced / through the wringer yet we still want to enjoy life, intimacy, friendship and sex (OK, maybe not in that order). We're not ready for the grave yet, we're just closer than you are. And we're not deluded that women in their 20s (or even 30s) will tumble all over us because we are shit-hot farang like you. Guys in their 20s have no concept of life without mobile comms. The older guys will say, yeah, right on. The target audience will think, there's those old guys complaining about "the good old days" again. I've seen both ends. Have you? "
Today's Stickman's first email of the week offers a nice retort to that adolescent's rants.
"The email from the guy in his mid-20s who writes,"The scene which is talked about may have been what most foreigners here did back then (I don't know) but it certainly isn't now, at least among people of my age." Yeah, I'm supposed to sound like the jaded old guy I am, but, OK pal. It's all great as you're a youthful stud who happens to be in Bangkok at the right time to meet Thai women who've shed many of their cultural proscriptions against co-mingling with farang, and now have communication vectors making it convenient. Let's hear from you in a decade or two, after maybe, just maybe, you've been raked over the coals by an avaricious family and your former teeruk has her golden parachute, your DNA in her kids. After you've grown weary of corruption / incompetence, built the house and learned you can't own the land, seen your fortune dwindle and learned how merciless Thai courts can be when it comes to divorce proceedings. Let's hope this doesn't happen. Plenty of happy couples out there. But in your mid-20s, you don't even know what the wringer looks like, let alone been through it. And yes, there are those whose chick magnet days are memories, who've been married / divorced / through the wringer yet we still want to enjoy life, intimacy, friendship and sex (OK, maybe not in that order). We're not ready for the grave yet, we're just closer than you are. And we're not deluded that women in their 20s (or even 30s) will tumble all over us because we are shit-hot farang like you. Guys in their 20s have no concept of life without mobile comms. The older guys will say, yeah, right on. The target audience will think, there's those old guys complaining about "the good old days" again. I've seen both ends. Have you? "Hey paul your mailbox is full
Western787
04-20-14, 17:56
Today's Stickman's first email of the week offers a nice retort to that adolescent's rants.
"The email from the guy in his mid-20s who writes,"The scene which is talked about may have been what most foreigners here did back then (I don't know) but it certainly isn't now, at least among people of my age." Yeah, I'm supposed to sound like the jaded old guy I am, but, OK pal. It's all great as you're a youthful stud who happens to be in Bangkok at the right time to meet Thai women who've shed many of their cultural proscriptions against co-mingling with farang, and now have communication vectors making it convenient. Let's hear from you in a decade or two, after maybe, just maybe, you've been raked over the coals by an avaricious family and your former teeruk has her golden parachute, your DNA in her kids. After you've grown weary of corruption / incompetence, built the house and learned you can't own the land, seen your fortune dwindle and learned how merciless Thai courts can be when it comes to divorce proceedings. Let's hope this doesn't happen. Plenty of happy couples out there. But in your mid-20s, you don't even know what the wringer looks like, let alone been through it. And yes, there are those whose chick magnet days are memories, who've been married / divorced / through the wringer yet we still want to enjoy life, intimacy, friendship and sex (OK, maybe not in that order). We're not ready for the grave yet, we're just closer than you are. And we're not deluded that women in their 20s (or even 30s) will tumble all over us because we are shit-hot farang like you. Guys in their 20s have no concept of life without mobile comms. The older guys will say, yeah, right on. The target audience will think, there's those old guys complaining about "the good old days" again. I've seen both ends. Have you? "Figured that guy would get some response. The young guy comes across as very arrogant and condescending.
I have to admit Stickman is a very talented columnist, with an amazing amount of creative ideas going into produce that product each week.
He's got a reference this week to Gary Pucket and the Union Gap's song "Woman, Woman" a song that I hadn't heard in years until he linked it, and I think it hits harder than "Young Girl", and as Stickman correctly points out has some relevance to Bangkok women. Of course its good in some ways that Bangkok women tend to share themselves around town, even those claiming not to. Everyone needs variety, and it really means more beautiful women available for everyone
The lyrics to that hypnotic song sung by the great Gary Pucket:
Woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind, on your mind.
Something's wrong between us.
That your laugher cannot hide.
And you're afraid to let your eyes meet mine.
And lately when I love you, I know you're not satisfied.
Woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind, on your mind.
I've seen the way men look at you.
When they think I don't see.
And it hurts to have them think that you're that kind.
But it's knowing that you're looking back.
That's really killing me.
Woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind, on your mind.
A woman wears a certain look.
When she is on the move.
And a man can always tell what's on her mind.
I hate to have to say it.
But that look's all over you.
Woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind.
Oh woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind.
Paul Kausch
04-20-14, 18:19
Hey paul your mailbox is fullStrange, I was about 20 messages below the 200 message limit. Regardless, I moved a bunch of PMs into an archive folder so there should be plenty of room in my inbox now.
If one reads back 5 or 10 sum-odd pages they will come across places where the dominate posters here are of guys of retirement age. These guys have been having a grand old time lately, posting about the good old days that they are no-more, and the downward fate of mongering in this fine city. These guys have been mongering for longer than 30 years. They have zero-ed in on what has worked best for them to get no-strings attached sex while moving further into their twilight years.
The 25 yo poster hasn't realized that the old guys here are past their prime and can't change their lifestyle and age to start pulling girls from the gym or other non-mongering types of venues. So maybe just the 25yo's are complaining under their breath that they don't have the finances to pull no strings attached pussy at 1-3k a night, so he feels resentment for the guys that can. Since the senior guys with nest eggs have a hard time scrounging for the free stuff there is resentment against having their noses rubbed into what they do by the snotty-nosed 25yo.
Rest assured, the 25yo will be old before he knows it. He will understand better as he ages. He just needs time. By his writing you can tell he is beyond his years in expressing himself. He just needs a better understanding of the path of life.
By the way, if he is not a young monger. What the hell is he doing on the stickman site and ISG anyway? This just tells me he is holding back something and is not telling the complete truth.[/QUOTE]"I recently discovered this website and have been reading through some readers' submissions and weekly columns. I am in my mid 20s and have lived and worked in Bangkok for 3½ years. I am completely amazed by some of the stuff on this site and not in a good way. Having shared the link around friends of my age they mostly had a similar opinion. The site is stuck in some kind of alternate universe where it is still 2002. The scene which is talked about may have been what most foreigners here did back then (I don't know) but it certainly isn't now, at least among people of my age. Other than a minority, almost all of my friends of similar age who live and work in Bangkok do not go to gogo bar areas except occasionally for a laugh if someone new comes and we take them to see the bars and the types of foreigners who go there. We certainly don't go to take women. It isn't because it's seen as wrong, but mostly that there is no chance we would pay money to sleep with women who look as bad as most of the bar women do. They are awful. Most of us meet girlfriends the same way we did in our own countries, randomly, at work, or at the gym, things like that. Girls that are far better than any found in a bar. With Thai women you always end up paying one way or another, but there is a big difference between spending perhaps a couple of thousand baht on food or whatever taking a hot looking girl out all night (who actually wants to go out with you) and going to some gogo bar and end up paying more to go to a room for an hour to have sex with a wreck of a girl who might have had sex 4 or 5 times that night and who doesn't want to be there and probably has to be drunk to do so. I noticed some readers complaining about the prices they have to pay for girls going up, and the quality of women in bars decreasing. How can anyone think it is a bad thing that Thai girls now have better opportunities in life than selling sex to foreigners."
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Stick.k-Songkran.htm.[/url][/quote]
Paul Kausch
04-20-14, 18:33
Figured that guy would get some response. The young guy comes across as very arrogant and condescending. Of course its good in some ways that Bangkok women tend to share themselves around town, even those claiming not to. Everyone needs variety, and it really means more beautiful women available for everyone.The kid wrote he is in his mid-twenties. Hardly old enough to know much of anything. On weekends I used to get breakfast at a diner between San Anselmo and Fairfax, CA. In the diner was a sign that read: "Kids, move out, get a job, support yourself now while you still know everything." Or words to that effect.
The development of the birth control pill had a dramatic effect on women's sexuality in the developed world. Suddenly, freed of the fear of an unplanned pregnancy, women started to fuck like bunnies. For the next couple of decades sex was free and readily available. For some women how many men she bedded became a source of pride. Then the times changed. I'm sure many sociology dissertation have been written about the reasons. I suspect Bangkok women are going through a sexual revolution of sorts. Will it come to an end? Probably.
If one reads back 5 or 10 sum-odd pages they will come across places where the dominate posters here are of guys of retirement age. These guys have been having a grand old time lately, posting about the good old days that they are no-more, and the downward fate of mongering in this fine city. These guys have been mongering for longer than 30 years. They have zero-ed in on what has worked best for them to get no-strings attached sex while moving further into their twilight years.
The 25 yo poster hasn't realized that the old guys here are past their prime and can't change their lifestyle and age to start pulling girls from the gym or other non-mongering types of venues. So maybe just the 25yo's are complaining under their breath that they don't have the finances to pull no strings attached pussy at 1-3k a night, so he feels resentment for the guys that can. Since the senior guys with nest eggs have a hard time scrounging for the free stuff there is resentment against having their noses rubbed into what they do by the snotty-nosed 25yo.
Rest assured, the 25yo will be old before he knows it. He will understand better as he ages. He just needs time. By his writing you can tell he is beyond his years in expressing himself. He just needs a better understanding of the path of life.
By the way, if he is not a young monger. What the hell is he doing on the stickman site and ISG anyway? This just tells me he is holding back something and is not telling the complete truth.[/QUOTE]"I recently discovered this website and have been reading through some readers' submissions and weekly columns. I am in my mid 20s and have lived and worked in Bangkok for 3½ years. I am completely amazed by some of the stuff on this site and not in a good way. Having shared the link around friends of my age they mostly had a similar opinion. The site is stuck in some kind of alternate universe where it is still 2002. The scene which is talked about may have been what most foreigners here did back then (I don't know) but it certainly isn't now, at least among people of my age. Other than a minority, almost all of my friends of similar age who live and work in Bangkok do not go to gogo bar areas except occasionally for a laugh if someone new comes and we take them to see the bars and the types of foreigners who go there. We certainly don't go to take women. It isn't because it's seen as wrong, but mostly that there is no chance we would pay money to sleep with women who look as bad as most of the bar women do. They are awful. Most of us meet girlfriends the same way we did in our own countries, randomly, at work, or at the gym, things like that. Girls that are far better than any found in a bar. With Thai women you always end up paying one way or another, but there is a big difference between spending perhaps a couple of thousand baht on food or whatever taking a hot looking girl out all night (who actually wants to go out with you) and going to some gogo bar and end up paying more to go to a room for an hour to have sex with a wreck of a girl who might have had sex 4 or 5 times that night and who doesn't want to be there and probably has to be drunk to do so. I noticed some readers complaining about the prices they have to pay for girls going up, and the quality of women in bars decreasing. How can anyone think it is a bad thing that Thai girls now have better opportunities in life than selling sex to foreigners."[/quote]
If one reads back 5 or 10 sum-odd pages they will come across places where the dominate posters here are of guys of retirement age. These guys have been having a grand old time lately, posting about the good old days that they are no-more, and the downward fate of mongering in this fine city. These guys have been mongering for longer than 30 years. They have zero-ed in on what has worked best for them to get no-strings attached sex while moving further into their twilight years.
The 25 yo poster hasn't realized that the old guys here are past their prime and can't change their lifestyle and age to start pulling girls from the gym or other non-mongering types of venues. So maybe just the 25yo's are complaining under their breath that they don't have the finances to pull no strings attached pussy at 1-3k a night, so he feels resentment for the guys that can. Since the senior guys with nest eggs have a hard time scrounging for the free stuff there is resentment against having their noses rubbed into what they do by the snotty-nosed 25yo.
Rest assured, the 25yo will be old before he knows it. He will understand better as he ages. He just needs time. By his writing you can tell he is beyond his years in expressing himself. He just needs a better understanding of the path of life.
By the way, if he is not a young monger. What the hell is he doing on the stickman site and ISG anyway? This just tells me he is holding back something and is not telling the complete truth.
"I recently discovered this website and have been reading through some readers' submissions and weekly columns. I am in my mid 20s and have lived and worked in Bangkok for 3½ years. I am completely amazed by some of the stuff on this site and not in a good way. Having shared the link around friends of my age they mostly had a similar opinion. The site is stuck in some kind of alternate universe where it is still 2002. The scene which is talked about may have been what most foreigners here did back then (I don't know) but it certainly isn't now, at least among people of my age. Other than a minority, almost all of my friends of similar age who live and work in Bangkok do not go to gogo bar areas except occasionally for a laugh if someone new comes and we take them to see the bars and the types of foreigners who go there. We certainly don't go to take women. It isn't because it's seen as wrong, but mostly that there is no chance we would pay money to sleep with women who look as bad as most of the bar women do. They are awful. Most of us meet girlfriends the same way we did in our own countries, randomly, at work, or at the gym, things like that. Girls that are far better than any found in a bar. With Thai women you always end up paying one way or another, but there is a big difference between spending perhaps a couple of thousand baht on food or whatever taking a hot looking girl out all night (who actually wants to go out with you) and going to some gogo bar and end up paying more to go to a room for an hour to have sex with a wreck of a girl who might have had sex 4 or 5 times that night and who doesn't want to be there and probably has to be drunk to do so. I noticed some readers complaining about the prices they have to pay for girls going up, and the quality of women in bars decreasing. How can anyone think it is a bad thing that Thai girls now have better opportunities in life than selling sex to foreigners."
Paul Kausch
04-20-14, 18:51
The 25 yo poster hasn't realized that the old guys here are past their prime and can't change their lifestyle and age to start pulling girls from the gym or other non-mongering types of venues.Old guys with money have no trouble pulling in beautiful young women. I live in South Florida now. Around here an old man in a motorized wheelchair sucking on an oxygen tank with a fat bank account could go around with a sign reading, "Beautiful young chicks wanted." In minutes he'd be surrounded by hot honeys. I've dated very attractive young ladies here. One of my favorite places to meet them is at a complex filled with bars, restaurants and a nice gym. Funny that you mention a gym in your post. Anyway, we exchange info and plan a date. I take them to a fancy restaurant, a nice bar afterwards. After blowing a few hundred on them they're ready to spread their legs. It's not a question of where you can and cannot pull girls; it's whether you want the complications of a young lady looking for a sugar daddy or prefer the simplicity of fucking prostitutes.
Old guys with money have no trouble pulling in beautiful young women. I live in South Florida now. Around here an old man in a motorized wheelchair sucking on an oxygen tank with a fat bank account could go around with a sign reading, "Beautiful young chicks wanted." In minutes he'd be surrounded by hot honeys. I've dated very attractive young ladies here. One of my favorite places to meet them is at a complex filled with bars, restaurants and a nice gym. Funny that you mention a gym in your post. Anyway, we exchange info and plan a date. I take them to a fancy restaurant, a nice bar afterwards. After blowing a few hundred on them they're ready to spread their legs. It's not a question of where you can and cannot pull girls; it's whether you want the complications of a young lady looking for a sugar daddy or prefer the simplicity of fucking prostitutes.This pretty much sums it up.
What a lot of young guys don't understand is us older gents don't want a GF. I know I don't.
We have done the GF thing, the wife thing, the kids thing and now it is our time.
When you have a Gf or wife, there is a higher price to pay then money. It is called drama.
If I can have a pretty girl fuck my brains out and leave. The next day I can repeat with one or two others and then they leave, I am a happy man.
I have been to Thailand many times and contrary to what the little 25 year old says, there are a lot of young guys Americans and others that come to Thailand to buy it not to date it.
Having had a wonderful session with Kul (Goon) at Dr BJ, I wasn't sure I was up for any more. So decided to just have a perve in some bars and just maybe if the right girl was found, do something.
Decided firstly to check out the raunchy Yok look-alike with fab tits at Crazy House, May. She was not there. The line-up on Sunday was just slightly down, but many newish girls fairly good looking. Called one over for a drink. She had worked only 3 days so far. Turned out she had bad breath. I suggested she go brush her teeth, but she said she would do so at home, even though I had a tiny toothbrush and toothpaste on me. She was willing to take chewing gum. Anyway scratch her. There was an altercation and a Japanese guy threw a glass. Strangely this was accepted and he was not dealt with it seems. He went upstairs. I believe one innocent bystander customer got a slight injury.
I decided to go look in Long Gun. My regular girl was not there. The rest were so-so. I did not go in SW as feared would cost me too much and besides wanted to check something different.
Went to rainbow 4 about midnight. Line-up was surprisingly unimpressive, although I guess the good girls disappeared earlier. Would have expected some to return though. A lot of silicone jobs, some bad saggies, several fatties, some fake noses, some broad squashed noses, some witchy hook noses. Only one or two slim girls, with no tits at all, looked any good to me. No stunningly pretty girls (its too late I suppose). I don't really understand why Rainbow 4 is so highly rated. What I could say was that some RB4 girls had good aspects. E. G. A girl with ordinary face had a fabulous ass but overly firm silicones up top. I thought my 35 Y.O. Thai GF (cute nose, good tits and good ass) to be somewhat hotter than the entire line up actually, even if her slightly pointy chin would not be everyone's taste.
The girls at Crazy House were better looking to my taste (much more natural looking girls) with better faces and better bodies as well. Its just that maybe only a small percentage of them are actually nice girls. A few super asshole girls work there too.
Next Spankys as had found a couple of nice girls there before. Immediately I liked Spanky's better than RB4, as even though no stunners, mostly slim girls, no fatties, only one silicone set, very few fake noses, and quite a few totally naked girls. However my good fuck girl from previous visits was not there. Nana Carpark did not have any talent at this time. Walk along Suk, saw plenty of black girls, all quite ugly, no stunning street walkers.
On the way home, wanted to have a look in the Thermae. Turns out it was pretty quiet. Apparently 2AM is a bit late for it. Two pretty enough doable girls though out of about 15 to 20 girls remaining. A few LBs outside.
That was it. So I continue to be underwhelmed by Nana Plaza, at each visit. Maybe just getting too old and picky.
Wolvenvacht
04-20-14, 21:42
This pretty much sums it up.
What a lot of young guys don't understand is us older gents don't want a GF. I know I don't.
We have done the GF thing, the wife thing, the kids thing and now it is our time.
When you have a Gf or wife, there is a higher price to pay then money. It is called drama.
If I can have a pretty girl fuck my brains out and leave. The next day I can repeat with one or two others and then they leave, I am a happy man.
I have been to Thailand many times and contrary to what the little 25 year old says, there are a lot of young guys Americans and others that come to Thailand to buy it not to date it.A man much wiser than I ever will be, once said "We pay them to leave us in the morning". That sums it up very nice.
Crocodilexp
04-21-14, 05:21
Old guys with money have no trouble pulling in beautiful young women. I live in South Florida now.The difference is that "with money" in The World means several million USA in the bank, and willing to throw $500+ per night out, plus frequent $2k+ big-ticket items. And even given that, your choices are limited, and you need to be willing to take shit from your sponsored tarts.
In Thailand, it means pulling 50k baht per month (easy for almost any Farang) , spending 1000 baht on a night out, and an occasional 5000 baht big-ticket item. Of course, for fools the sky is the limit (house / car / clearing debts) , but these amounts are more than enough. And there's choice.
The difference is that "with money" in The World means several million USA in the bank, and willing to throw $500+ per night out, plus frequent $2k+ big-ticket items. And even given that, your choices are limited, and you need to be willing to take shit from your sponsored tarts.
In Thailand, it means pulling 50k baht per month (easy for almost any Farang) , spending 1000 baht on a night out, and an occasional 5000 baht big-ticket item. Of course, for fools the sky is the limit (house / car / clearing debts) , but these amounts are more than enough. And there's choice.Fact is in the Western World, no matter how much you pay be it wife, gf or sugar baby, you still have to put up with there bullshit.
Even billionaires here can't keep a trophy wife. Sooner or later the price is to high, your sanity.
Paul Kausch
04-21-14, 06:18
The difference is that "with money" in The World means several million USA in the bank, and willing to throw $500+ per night out, plus frequent $2k+ big-ticket items. And even given that, your choices are limited, and you need to be willing to take shit from your sponsored tarts.
In Thailand, it means pulling 50k baht per month (easy for almost any Farang) , spending 1000 baht on a night out, and an occasional 5000 baht big-ticket item. Of course, for fools the sky is the limit (house / car / clearing debts) , but these amounts are more than enough. And there's choice.In four sentences you summarized why Bangkok is so appealing to a mature, committed single man.
FruitNinja
04-21-14, 06:22
The endless debate about buying pussy vs freebies (ha!) led me to some basic arithmetic. In my old age I still remember the basics, addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.
I ran some numbers related to my 20 year marriage. We had a good sex life so I don't know that I can put a number to the amount of times we fucked but I'll call it every other day, which might be high but probably close. Definitely more at the beginning and tapered off towards the end.
My X never worked and she had a bit of a spending problem. I'm sure I missed some figures but I included the basics, food, half the mortgage as I also needed a place to live. Insurance, food, vacations, taxes, gifts, jewelry, expensive purses, expensive shoes, expensive watches, and expensive clothing. Money loaned to relatives, Basic needs but my x didn't do anything basic. I was trying to be conservative. Then the big payout at the end of the marriage, not to mention the many times I have had to bail her out after the divorce. Again being conservative.
I did not count the cost of children, the $190, 000 dollar kid education. The room and board. The braces. And on and on.
I come up with a cost of about $1, 036 per fuck.
I get an adorable 20 something that treats me like a king for the LT I take her for. In BKK I pay a lot because I like the particular girl and I usually take her for multiple days. 5 this last trip. Less than $200 for LT. In September / October I'll take her to an island unless she pisses me off between now and then.
I pull 20 year old girls in the States for 200-300. It's not my 56 year old looks. Although I have fun with them and they with me, it's still about the money. And I'm perfectly fine with that.
So $1036 a pop for a depreciating commodity or $200-300 for an endless supply of 20 something cuties. It even gets better when you pull a FL in the Phils or Baech Road for $50. Or years back those hotties in Cuba for the cost of a meal.
And as TellAll said. No drama zone. Or at least not the endless kind of drama that you can't walk away from. You get hooker drama but that's quick and compared to 20 year drama, painless.
If only I knew then what I know now.
Paul Kausch
04-21-14, 06:28
Fact is in the Western World, no matter how much you pay be it wife, gf or sugar baby, you still have to put up with there bullshit.
Even billionaires here can't keep a trophy wife. Sooner or later the price is to high, your sanity.A few weeks ago I read an article based on interviews with a number of billionaires. One of the questions all were asked was what they most feared. They all said the same thing,"a divorce."
A few years ago I met a stunning lady in her late thirties. She had been a model and at the time had an agency that groomed and managed teenage models. As a young woman she had a series of celebrity boyfriends. A guy who is now in the NFL Hall of Fame and has had a very successful career since retiring from professional football once asked her to marry him. She turned him down because at the time she was working on landing a bigger fish. The phrase she used to explain how she was able to maneuver through life was "pussy power." The anecdote is to fuck with your little head and think with your big head.
I am very weird (or not) I like the tranquility of living alone most of the time. I will work for at least 10 more years. Technical work not packed with political hassles and people hassles. Technically challenging is better.
I was totally bored to death in Insanity disco. I know some other discos are better. The music, well it just wasn't music to me. Check Inn band is better for me. Music from many eras. On the other hand I can still enjoy watching good naked bodies dance in Crazy House for a short time.
Also instead of getting a massage (just a waste of time to me) , I can get soft tits on my balls, BJ, nice fuck etc. For a very reasonable fee. Outsourced sex can cost much less for many of us, and we get it when we want it. Go crazy for a couple of days, then back to a moderate life style.
A life of fewer hassles is great. I am sitting outside. Bangkok is not that hot. 20 years ago the air was far cleaner and the sun was far hotter, when its rays would strike you.
FruitNinja
04-21-14, 07:20
I am very weird (or not) I like the tranquility of living alone most of the time. I will work for at least 10 more years. Technical work not packed with political hassles and people hassles. Technically challenging is better.
I was totally bored to death in Insanity disco. I know some other discos are better. The music, well it just wasn't music to me. Check Inn band is better for me. Music from many eras. On the other hand I can still enjoy watching good naked bodies dance in Crazy House for a short time.
Also instead of getting a massage (just a waste of time to me) , I can get soft tits on my balls, BJ, nice fuck etc. For a very reasonable fee. Outsourced sex can cost much less for many of us, and we get it when we want it. Go crazy for a couple of days, then back to a moderate life style.
A life of fewer hassles is great. I am sitting outside. Bangkok is not that hot. 20 years ago the air was far cleaner and the sun was far hotter, when its rays would strike you.Hey Syzygies,
I'm in about the same situation as you. Counting down the days. I'm a little over 9 years. Have been divorced for 9 years. Get plenty of young stuff here and abroad. Abroad is easier but home isn't that much of a problem either. Just a little more work.
I was in Insanity three weeks ago with my girl, there was a local pop star there. I think his name was Chino or something. My girl was fucking nuts about this guy. I paid a few bucks to get him to pay a little attention to her and got the best lay of the whole trip when we got back to the hotel. But quite frankly that wasn't my scene when I was young and I still don't like it. Too loud and just too much going on. Not to mention the music sucked. Unless you're a Justin Bieber fan. Ha!
Cheers
Paul Kausch
04-21-14, 08:05
I am very weird (or not)Seems to me you are perfectly sane, have your priorities straight, have good taste and make sound decisions. You may be unusual but you're not weird.
Hey Syzygies,
I'm in about the same situation as you. Counting down the days. I'm a little over 9 years. Have been divorced for 9 years. Get plenty of young stuff here and abroad. Abroad is easier but home isn't that much of a problem either. Just a little more work.
I was in Insanity three weeks ago with my girl, there was a local pop star there. I think his name was Chino or something. My girl was fucking nuts about this guy. I paid a few bucks to get him to pay a little attention to her and got the best lay of the whole trip when we got back to the hotel. But quite frankly that wasn't my scene when I was young and I still don't like it. Too loud and just too much going on. Not to mention the music sucked. Unless you're a Justin Bieber fan. Ha!
CheersHaha! You count your life years from when you got divorced!
There is an old pop star called Dick Chiro, ugly but a good singer, but perhaps not him.
Last night about 2AM, I was offered a good suck and fuck by a street walker on Sukhumvit for 500 Baht. I wasn't asking. She just got straight to the point to try to attract my attention. There must be really desperate girls. She was rather so-so looking, so I probably would not have been interested even for free. However I imagine at that price, she does get customers.
crazy house girls have quite a few scams going i reckon. many customers are asked to pay in full up front. this means that having been paid already, the girl is not really forced to provide a service, and could easily make a run for it, at any opportunity. so warning! do not pay for the sex before you actually get it. pay bf only. some girls are ****. be careful.
i have bfed two girls from crazy house. one was good character and i repeated. the other had big natural tits and was a fairly ordinary fuck. no repeat.
the other night, a guy was sitting by me and chatting at crazy house. he was a chatterbox. he called over a girl that appealed to him. he explained to me that the girl doesn't do barfines but had agreed to meet him next day afternoon at his hotel so he could avoid the bf. he seemed to believe her. ha ha! of course she just wanted him to buy drinks, meanwhile a friend of hers had whispered in her ear to avoid this guy as he was too much hassle lol. i had to tell him to not believe the girl would show up until it actually happened.
he admitted to having spent 1 million baht on a bargirl over 6 months who was all the time married to a thai bloke he discovered in the end. why he gave her a million i don't know. perhaps his story was a bit exaggerated. meanwhile the bargirl told her friends, that she received only 30, 000 in 6 months, and that is why she dumped him. perhaps her hubby doesn't know how much she stashed away somewhere.
this same guy was quoted 3500 for a st upstairs at suzi wong by a very young girl. i explained to him i never paid that much, and even the top girl at sw probably averages 2.5k (2k to 3k depending on customer) for st upstairs, and room fee and bf would be added.
i just post this for newbies in thailand. believe nothing of what you hear and only 50% of what you see in thailand. don't be arrogant and think you know everything that is going on. even the experienced don't fully understand everything that goes on. allow for great variation in the character of girls too. there are good girls and very bad girls.
FruitNinja
04-21-14, 14:05
Haha! You count your life years from when you got divorced!
There is an old pop star called Dick Chiro, ugly but a good singer, but perhaps not him.HA! The days of freedom.
The guys name was Chino I'm pretty sure. Young white kid, maybe 20, singing Thai hits and western hits. He was entertaining but damn the girls were about to start throwing their panties on the stage. Crazy.
On my way out of BKK there was a mob scene at the airport. At first I thought it was something to do with the protests. Turns out it was some Korean pop star they were waiting for. Had to be 10, 000 teen girls screening hysterically. I thought it was for me.
Hey all,
Still the first day in Thailand. Returned from Mango happy and relaxed (see other post). Worked out for a bit and had a late dinner with my friends. We decide to check out Nana Plaza as we have a first time BKKer with us.
Nana Plaza is exactly the same as it's always been, busy and with free flowing traffic. We didn't want to go exploring within the plaza as it was 12:45 AM when we arrived. Decided to go with a sure thing and hit up Rainbow club. I notice as we enter the club it was only about half full with patrons and didn't appear full of girls working, both the stages were only half occupied. The day of week and time we arrived may have been factors as the club and plaza supposedly closes at 2 AM.
After a beer and some browsing we each decide on a girl. I can provide details later of my friend's selections after we have an internal debrief.
So the girl I had was Ploy (#128). Approx. 5'2, 115lbs, slim and toned, enhanced Ds (looked almost DD cause she was so small) , long straight black hair, mid 20s (said she was 25) , didn't appear to wearing too much make up, paler complexion. She kept making eye contact with me, which is something I look for as the chances she actually wants to go with you increases slightly. Her English was very poor making any real conversation extremely hard but I kept looking at her body and was convinced.
Back to hotel and small talk she asks me to go shower. I tell her we should shower together and she agrees. Regular rub down nothing special. Off to the bed begins to stroke me and kissing my neck. She grabs the box of condoms on the night stand and takes one out, she then indicates condom BJ. I ask for BBBJ but she wouldn't budge on that. She starts with the BJ and very soon after tells me to get on top of her missionary instead told her to get on top. She complained a bit about wanting KY as the condom was dry but I didn't have any at the time. We eventually get into a good rhythm where we went cowgirl, side samba, doggy, reverse cowgirl and finally missionary. Sex was good she was responsive and flexible felt like GFE.
Looks. 7.5/10
Massage. N / A.
Service. 7/10
Attitude. 7/10
Overall Experience. 6/10
Price. 5000 / night + 600 / to bar for long time take out.
*the reason for low score overall was she kept making excuses for why she couldn't bang again that night. After the first bang basically wanted to sleep. In addition she kept saying she wanted to go to RCA (clubbing area) with me the following night. I was pretty tired from travelling that morning and the earlier trip to Mango so didn't feel like arguing / convincing. I just expect better service with the amounts we all pay.
More to come.
Veilside
She complained a bit about wanting KY as the condom was dry but I didn't have any at the time.Although some guys don't like lube, I always have some at my room. Otherwise trying to apply spit every minute is a bit much. With no lube, there can be limitations on how long before the condom starts rubbing her skin abrasively.
No lube could be very good reason why she did not want to fuck again or an excuse. She should have her own, but not all girls expect the guy to fuck for any significant duration. I always have my own "comfort" condoms as well, as they are thinner, easy on, easy off, and feel better generally.
Hi guys,
I like being in a bathtub or jacuzzi with the girls but I'm very tall. (196cm. 6'5")
I tried Annies but it too small for any action. Does anyone knows an oily or soapy with a big bathtub or jacuzzi.
Thanks in advance
Hey all,
Price. 5000 / night + 600 / to bar for long time take out.
*the reason for low score overall was she kept making excuses for why she couldn't bang again that night. After the first bang basically wanted to sleep. In addition she kept saying she wanted to go to RCA (clubbing area) with me the following night. I was pretty tired from travelling that morning and the earlier trip to Mango so didn't feel like arguing / convincing. I just expect better service with the amounts we all pay.
More to come.
VeilsideShe probably see you as a good walking ATM willing to pay for each and everything and not putting her pussy at work.
crazy house girls have quite a few scams going i reckon. many customers are asked to pay in full up front. this means that having been paid already, the girl is not really forced to provide a service, and could easily make a run for it, at any opportunity. so warning! do not pay for the sex before you actually get it. pay bf only. some girls are ****. be careful.
i have bfed two girls from crazy house. one was good character and i repeated. the other had big natural tits and was a fairly ordinary fuck. no repeat.
the other night, a guy was sitting by me and chatting at crazy house. he was a chatterbox. he called over a girl that appealed to him. he explained to me that the girl doesn't do barfines but had agreed to meet him next day afternoon at his hotel so he could avoid the bf. he seemed to believe her. ha ha! of course she just wanted him to buy drinks, meanwhile a friend of hers had whispered in her ear to avoid this guy as he was too much hassle lol. i had to tell him to not believe the girl would show up until it actually happened.
snip.pay up front there would be crazy talk. what i'd like to know is how to set up that much talked about hanky panky on location.
the latest i bfd there was an average south issan lady, she was fire in crazy house but turned a lot plainer outside. mostly looking for idiot sponsors to add to the queue.
many wong ladies quote high and you see many called to tables sent packing even without a lady drink. might be a reason for that me thinks if they are taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) quote wise. i did however see a fair blond western woman slinking up the stairs recently. i would have paid 3000 just to watch that session.
Paul Kausch
04-22-14, 17:19
Hi guys,
I like being in a bathtub or jacuzzi with the girls but I'm very tall. (196cm. 6'5")
I tried Annies but it too small for any action. Does anyone knows an oily or soapy with a big bathtub or jacuzzi.
Thanks in advanceTry the soapy MPs that cater to Asian men. You can find these around MRT station Huai Khwang and around the Rama 9 New Petchburi Road. There are MRT stops near by these also. These MPs have VIP rooms with bathtubs large enough for several people. You and one or two ladies could fit easily.
Hi guys,
I like being in a bathtub or jacuzzi with the girls but I'm very tall. (196cm. 6'5")
I tried Annies but it too small for any action. Does anyone knows an oily or soapy with a big bathtub or jacuzzi.
Thanks in advanceTry Ankara.
Price. 5000 / night + 600 / to bar for long time take out.Huh? Really? Almost 200 USD for LT? I guess with drinks you did hit the 200 point. Jeez. That is amazingly pricey.
Can someone post a list of the gogos in Cowboy and Nana that has a ST-room upstairs at there club?
Can someone post a list of the gogos in Cowboy and Nana that has a ST-room upstairs at there club?That is a lot of clubs. Best to ask at the door before you go in, they will tell you.
Paul Kausch
04-23-14, 02:07
Can someone post a list of the gogos in Cowboy and Nana that has a ST-room upstairs at there club?As there are short time hotels in NEP and very close at hand to the Soi Cowboy bars, even the bars that don't have their own upstairs rooms are conveniently close to suitable places to couple with the ladies.
Although some guys don't like lube, I always have some at my room. Otherwise trying to apply spit every minute is a bit much. With no lube, there can be limitations on how long before the condom starts rubbing her skin abrasively.
No lube could be very good reason why she did not want to fuck again or an excuse. She should have her own, but not all girls expect the guy to fuck for any significant duration. I always have my own "comfort" condoms as well, as they are thinner, easy on, easy off, and feel better generally.Point taken. I took your advice and bought some KY this afternoon.
She probably see you as a good walking ATM willing to pay for each and everything and not putting her pussy at work.Yeah I got that feeling and I feel choosing a girl based purely on looks and a little eye contact probably isn't enough to know how she'll perform. Extra communication is required at the club but as we were eager to go and head back to the hotel I didn't do my homework.
Huh? Really? Almost 200 USD for LT? I guess with drinks you did hit the 200 point. Jeez. That is amazingly pricey.I thought that 5000 for LT was standard at a bar like Rainbow. Any advice regarding Rainbow or suggestion of another club that is less for LT? I don't want to be one of the guys that jacks up the price for others!
Hi guys,
Second day in Thailand started off with girl leaving around 7 in the morning. Didn't do much in the day except smoked some cigars and had drinks at patio bar.
We decided to head to Climax that evening for some clubbing but went to Soi Cowboy earlier to have some beers and just look at some talent. We went to Baccara first and saw the club was a little more than half full but the stage was still full of girls. Nothing of particular to note at the club this time, however noticed the girls did look younger on average to girls at Nana. Finished one beer at Baccara then go next door to Shark. Shark was a lot quieter with less girls working and less then half the club full, however the music was better and the talent was better. Around 1:30am observed the club begin to get busier and like magic more girls appeared. We left the club soon after and headed to Climax.
Arrived around 2:20am great band and music playing already (mostly top 40 stuff with local pop songs mixed in for variety). We got a few bottles and was led to a table near front of stage. While walking saw many good looking girls but many with guys already. Around 3:30am I see an increase in girls in club possibly from the Nana and Soi closing. Started dancing with a girl, Kip around this time. She is a approx. 5'3, about 125lbs, a bit thicker around the hips and bum area, enhanced chest Ds, long straight black hair with brown highlights, approx. 32-34, darker complexion and spoke better than average English which was a huge turn on after the previous night. We dance and flirt for a while and eventually say I am going back to hotel and asked her to join me (unsure if she is going to be a regular pick up or working girl at this point). She says okay but asks me if I will pay her. I was happy she was honest and upfront so I say 1500. She tells me 1500 is okay for ST, which I was happy with.
Back at hotel. She starts by saying she needs to use the washroom so I watch a bit of TV. After she comes out she begins doing a short strip show for me with my iPod playing. I go take a shower after this (didn't want to shower together) then she goes and does the same. In bed we start kissing and fondling for a bit, she then starts giving me a BBBJ; saw that I liked my balls and ass licked and gave me a bit of a tongue lashing. Put on a condom after this and we start missionary for a bit and she surprised me with her flexibility by putting her knees next to her head. Turned her around went doggy for a while, when I was ready to pop I ask for CIM. She was agreeable, took off my dome and began to pump me and tongue my ass. I ended up CIM and CIF.
She cleaned herself up and we had some small talk for a few minutes with her stroking me. She sees that I am ready again and starts with BBBJ again (I didn't get a chance to clean myself up at this point) which surprised me. I dome up again and she starts riding me cowgirl. I ended up CIM again. I guess we were both exhausted after the second time because the next thing I knew it was 9am and her phone was ringing non stop. She turns off the ringer and tells me her boss at the salon (she is a hairdresser apparently) was calling to get her in to work. So one more pop before I think she needs to go. I shower afterwards and see she is getting dressed. We make plans to meet up later in the week and she kisses me and leaves. I realize I hadn't payed her so told her to come back in. I ended up giving her 2500 cause of the overall experience and because I probably won't see her again.
Looks. 6/10
Massage. N / A
Service. 8/10 (GFE)
Overall Experience. 8/10
*the fact we specified on 1500 for short time and her staying until 10 AND not asking for money when she left made this experience very enjoyable.
More to come.
Veilside
Can someone post a list of the gogos in Cowboy and Nana that has a ST-room upstairs at there club?As others point out there is a ST Hotel close by in any case. In cowboy we have Penny Black (at Soi Asoke end of Cowboy) and also Asoke Place round the corner.
Bars in Cowboy that definitely have a room upstairs for sex: Suzie Wong, Doll House, Midnight, and their is bound to be more. I don't usually use this this service, but its important for certain girls. ST Hotels don't check the Ids of girls or their customers. So its possible a girl could be even not a Thai national. I avoid mentioning the forbidden subject. LOL
One of my favourite girls (aged 25) actually comes from just across the border of Thailand, and speaks Thai not quite perfectly, although can read Thai maybe same standard as me. Her "Suk" meaning happy sounds a bit more like "Sok".
Hi guys,
I like being in a bathtub or jacuzzi with the girls but I'm very tall. (196cm. 6'5")
I tried Annies but it too small for any action. Does anyone knows an oily or soapy with a big bathtub or jacuzzi.
Thanks in advanceMost Soapies have a large bathtub or Jacuzzi. E. G. Amsterdam, Poseidon, etc. I don't like the tub at La Belle and actually I don't like most girls there as well. I haven't had much good luck there, other than one girl. Too much fake stuff generally for me to pick the girls with good performance reputation. Check web sites for pictures of the rooms.
Some suggested Ankara (Angara). I'm not sure why. Its one of the more obscure places in a small Soi of Petchburi road, that hardly anyone ever reports on. I went in there once many years ago. Line-up was small and not to my liking at the time. They have Arabic writing at this shop too, I think. Someone can correct me, but I doubt if this is one of the top places. Its so long since I heard anything about this one, so I could be wrong.
Pink Massage has a special room with good Jacuzzi, however I quit going there after Gaew left. Check out the various Oily web sites to see which have a Jacuzzi. Most normal oily places, I actually prefer to shower with a girl rather than get in the bathtub together (if it is smallish). So I understand small tubs are not that great. So consider having fun in the shower and forgetting tub altogether in Oilies. Many Oilies don't have tubs anyway.
What I'd like to know is how to set up that much talked about hanky panky on location.You have to buy girls tequilas for 150 Baht each if you expect to get to molest them. Alternatively good tips may work (not 20 baht). Choose one of the completely naked girls is the best bet.
Go in and watch what the other guys are doing. I am groping the girls very little compared to the norm, so I would not be a good teacher. To me, touching their tits a little is fairly mild groping if done in a nice way (hard squeezing is out). Almost any girl will allow that at least. I often am reluctant to grope their pussy, unless the girl directs my hand there and clearly wants it.
I would tend to go into a lower class place if I wanted to play no holds barred (like SOL) , including pussy play and licking, BJ and sex on the spot.
In Crazy House I don't know. Hold out your crooked finger, and see if the girl wants to slide her pussy onto it. Some girls possibly will. Most others would not do it nor allow it. It depends on how wayward is the particular girl. It does happen.
Last night went to Huay Khwang night market about 1AM. It was still not closed at 2AM, so I don't know when it shuts down.
A lot of "fabulous" looking white skinned Thai girls shopping for medicine, cosmetics, shoes, etc. I say fabulous because I am sure they are stunners in the eyes of many Thais, Japanese, and Westerners. These are the night time working girls from Ratchada, Petchburi, from Soapies, Karaokes, Coyotes, etc. And from wherever. 90% of them had nose jobs, light skin and a high percentage of big obviously siliconised tits.
Many of these girls could have potentially looked great to me too without the nose jobs. I just don't like the fake nose look much. This limits my choices in Ratchada Soapies a lot, but fortunately there are a small percentage of girls with natural good noses. There was not one I really fancied over my long time GF. Silicone and strange shaped noses fail to impress me.
I was with GF and her brother. She stood out against most girls there due to a natural good nose and a bit darker skin. Her body is just as good as the other girls, or maybe better curves than many.
Early in the evening I had a chance to stop by Crazy House for a very short time. One girl I know was keen for me to BF her, but I was non committal. Actually was still looking for the "Yok look-alike" May, after she had been missing a couple of days. Finally spotted her get up to dance. Very hot body, very dark nipples on lightish skin, dances hot, and okay face (not quite stunning but cute). Shortly after the phone rings and I have to leave go pick up the GF. So no chance to do May, but eventually get a nice session with GF instead (no risk of a weak session). Maybe some day will get a chance to try May.
FruitNinja
04-23-14, 17:30
Last night went to Huay Khwang night market about 1AM. It was still not closed at 2AM, so I don't know when it shuts down.
A lot of "fabulous" looking white skinned Thai girls shopping for medicine, cosmetics, shoes, etc. I say fabulous because I am sure they are stunners in the eyes of many Thais, Japanese, and Westerners. These are the night time working girls from Ratchada, Petchburi, from Soapies, Karaokes, Coyotes, etc. And from wherever. 90% of them had nose jobs, light skin and a high percentage of big obviously siliconised tits.
Many of these girls could have potentially looked great to me too without the nose jobs. I just don't like the fake nose look much. This limits my choices in Ratchada Soapies a lot, but fortunately there are a small percentage of girls with natural good noses. There was not one I really fancied over my long time GF. Silicone and strange shaped noses fail to impress me.
I was with GF and her brother. She stood out against most girls there due to a natural good nose and a bit darker skin. Her body is just as good as the other girls, or maybe better curves than many.
Early in the evening I had a chance to stop by Crazy House for a very short time. One girl I know was keen for me to BF her, but I was non committal. Actually was still looking for the "Yok look-alike" May, after she had been missing a couple of days. Finally spotted her get up to dance. Very hot body, very dark nipples on lightish skin, dances hot, and okay face (not quite stunning but cute). Shortly after the phone rings and I have to leave go pick up the GF. So no chance to do May, but eventually get a nice session with GF instead (no risk of a weak session). Maybe some day will get a chance to try May.Syz, not aware of seeing any nose jobs. What am I missing? Picture?
RCA Knight
04-23-14, 19:00
I spent 2 nights here. I rarely came to this town since 5-6 years ago, for me I know the best times in BKK is done already. I checked out many of these famous establishments, Rainbow1, 2.4, very disappointed, out of 3 shops, I could not find anyone worth the mim 2000+600+ST room+drinks. Majority of girls are with artificial parts, boobs, nose, most obvious.
I played through late 90's till 06-07 in Bangkok, I know difference, people who frequent BKK through the late 90's and come back BKK today, I think it's going to be a disappointment. There are 10 times more venues for girls to work, and and the better economic progress, means more Thai guys can pick out the nice ones as mistresses or giks, and take them out of the market.
I remember the hey days over 15 years ago, when Nana ladies dance all nude to show their products and asked 1000 ST, and lots of quality to pick from, all give nice BBBJ, that is only a ghost memory now.
I also checked out Thermae 2 times, this place is still very crowded, but the level has also gone straight down compared to the hey days of 10-15 years ago, I could only find about 2-3 doable out of maybe over 100 each night, I am not talking about cuties, but only doable, and the price is getting absurd, these better ones are asking 2000-2500, and very firm at mim 2000 ST. I did not have much interest, but as a test for the market, these few I consider doable are very firm on this standard price, so since my last trip in Thermae a few years back, the standard price for these better ones is up 500-1000 again, a few years back, no one asked 2000ST. 2500 will be a joke then, and nowadays these that are asking this price are not even semi-cutie, only younger, slender, passable. I could see the big increase in Koreans, and maybe they also contributed to the inflation.
I think I am one of the dinosaurs members here, I see the rise and fall of Chang Ping, from a little known dusty industrial town, to a full blown wild sex town to now a almost ghost town, I predicted this to happen over 10 years ago, I also see the good value, good quality, good service of BKK, to now a bad value, bad service, bad quality now, I also predicted this long time ago. I am more of a pessimist, I think all three monger elements, value, quality and service will continue to decline in BKK, because the international buyers would pay more and more, and the local suppliers would ask more and more, the trend continues here.
Time is changing to quick for me in this town, it will be just a transit town for me,
I will continue to sneak around off the beaten path for greener pastures.
Western787
04-24-14, 03:12
I spent 2 nights here. I rarely came to this town since 5-6 years ago, for me I know the best times in BKK is done already. I checked out many of these famous establishments, Rainbow1, 2.4, very disappointed, out of 3 shops, I could not find anyone worth the mim 2000+600+ST room+drinks. Majority of girls are with artificial parts, boobs, nose, most obvious.
I played through late 90's till 06-07 in Bangkok, I know difference, people who frequent BKK through the late 90's and come back BKK today, I think it's going to be a disappointment. There are 10 times more venues for girls to work, and and the better economic progress, means more Thai guys can pick out the nice ones as mistresses or giks, and take them out of the market.While one cannot fight the P4P quality downhill trend, in fact its worldwide, and combined with the collateral issue of crackdowns in AC, southern China, Sosua to name just a few locales, large price increases all over the place, with globalization, the internet, and smart phones now even impacting attitudes and prices in emerging markets like Burma. The point is I just don't see how "artificial parts" in most cases should make all that much of a difference. I mean under that standard even many of the world class beauties one routinely sees at Terminal 21, Siam, and elsewhere around this town on a day to day basis, I guess wouldn't be consider hot? let alone NFL Cheerleaders, Playboy Models, Victoria's Secret Models, and probably most of the contestants in the Miss Universe Contest. While I admit for example nose jobs can be questionable, many Issan girls in fact have the procedure done for good reason. Do you consider capped teeth also an artificial part hindering a woman's attractiveness?
I think I am one of the dinosaurs members here, I see the rise and fall of Chang Ping, from a little known dusty industrial town, to a full blown wild sex town to now a almost ghost town, I predicted this to happen over 10 years ago, I also see the good value, good quality, good service of BKK, to now a bad value, bad service, bad quality now, I also predicted this long time ago. I am more of a pessimist, I think all three monger elements, value, quality and service will continue to decline in BKK, because the international buyers would pay more and more, and the local suppliers would ask more and more, the trend continues here.
Time is changing to quick for me in this town, it will be just a transit town for me,
I will continue to sneak around off the beaten path for greener pastures.I understand where you come from. I started here about 21 years ago.
I also dislike all the fakes at R1 to R4, Baccara & Sharks. The nude girls in Crazy House definitely look better.
Yes prices rise. Soi 11 BBQ wanted 40 Baht for a chicken drumstick. No thigh. Seems rather high.
Some good natural girls around but supply of these with good GFE service seems a lot weaker than years ago.
Have to be prepared to look around and realize that you are probably a lot fussier than 15 years back. Fond memories of Thermae 1 and Thermae Soapy from the distant past and nude girls at Lollipop and pretty Lady Nana probably 15 years back.
While I admit for example nose jobs can be questionable, many Issan girls in fact have the procedure done for good reason. Do you consider capped teeth also an artificial part hindering a woman's attractiveness?Of course capped teeth is not a problem. Hopefully not a distracting thing. If a nose job is undetectable then obviously I won't mind. It's just how strange these noses generally look. The piggy look or the bird beak look. Freak show. Same if a tit job is really subtle still soft and nicely shaped I can accept it, but 2 coconuts I cannot accept. We are looking for beautiful natural curves more than a distracting freak look.
So many girls in Baccara really look similar to or remind me of ladyboys. I just cannot select that type of girl. Then their are the weird hairstyles that look like wigs.
Youth does not equal beauty. The true beauties have mostly gone. I guess we are dinosaurs as plenty of people are liking Baccara. Interestingly my Japanese buddy with a lot of experience with natural European girls, also does not like Baccara. He likes the Thermae where can check chemistry with the girl for an extended time first.
Just remember guys, If you can't find a nice 20 something in LOS, you can always go back home and get you a 50 or 60 year old. Something more age appropriate. LOL.
Most of the ladies we critique here, we would low crawl through broken glass to get to in our own countries.
You want to feel really special, think of some of your friends in the west and what they are rolling over to everynight.
I feel two of mans greatest inventions are, the airplane and p4p.
Last night went to Huay Khwang night market about 1AM. It was still not closed at 2AM, so I don't know when it shuts down.
A lot of "fabulous" looking white skinned Thai girls shopping for medicine, cosmetics, shoes, etc. I say fabulous because I am sure they are stunners in the eyes of many Thais, Japanese, and Westerners. These are the night time working girls from Ratchada, Petchburi, from Soapies, Karaokes, Coyotes, etc. And from wherever. 90% of them had nose jobs, light skin and a high percentage of big obviously siliconised tits.
Many of these girls could have potentially looked great to me too without the nose jobs. I just don't like the fake nose look much. This limits my choices in Ratchada Soapies a lot, but fortunately there are a small percentage of girls with natural good noses. There was not one I really fancied over my long time GF. Silicone and strange shaped noses fail to impress me.
I was with GF and her brother. She stood out against most girls there due to a natural good nose and a bit darker skin. Her body is just as good as the other girls, or maybe better curves than many.
Early in the evening I had a chance to stop by Crazy House for a very short time. One girl I know was keen for me to BF her, but I was non committal. Actually was still looking for the "Yok look-alike" May, after she had been missing a couple of days. Finally spotted her get up to dance. Very hot body, very dark nipples on lightish skin, dances hot, and okay face (not quite stunning but cute). Shortly after the phone rings and I have to leave go pick up the GF. So no chance to do May, but eventually get a nice session with GF instead (no risk of a weak session). Maybe some day will get a chance to try May.I don't mind nose jobs if they are well executed. Too often they end up with a combination turned up pig nose-Michael Jackson look, which is just awful. The good ones, well, you can't even tell. My gal has some friends that have had very good nose jobs. They look fantastic.
Western787
04-24-14, 07:29
Just remember guys, If you can't find a nice 20 something in LOS, you can always go back home and get you a 50 or 60 year old. Something more age appropriate. LOL.
Most of the ladies we critique here, we would low crawl through broken glass to get to in our own countries.
You want to feel really special, think of some of your friends in the west and what they are rolling over to everynight.
I feel two of mans greatest inventions are, the airplane and p4p.The mere fact that some can still monger in Bangkok (with women often 2 to 3 decades younger) while having such exacting, particular, and specific criteria, by itself tells us this market, despite the longer term trend, is far from hitting bottom.
While "model" 9's are rare and the macro trend is not good, most guys in year 2014 still won't have much trouble finding a lot of hot girls to sleep with.
Its very easy in this town to become complacent and lose touch with reality, so one must always guard against it.
I spent 2 nights here. I rarely came to this town since 5-6 years ago, for me I know the best times in BKK is done already. I checked out many of these famous establishments, Rainbow1, 2.4, very disappointed, out of 3 shops, I could not find anyone worth the mim 2000+600+ST room+drinks. Majority of girls are with artificial parts, boobs, nose, most obvious.
I played through late 90's till 06-07 in Bangkok, I know difference, people who frequent BKK through the late 90's and come back BKK today, I think it's going to be a disappointment. There are 10 times more venues for girls to work, and and the better economic progress, means more Thai guys can pick out the nice ones as mistresses or giks, and take them out of the market.
I remember the hey days over 15 years ago, when Nana ladies dance all nude to show their products and asked 1000 ST, and lots of quality to pick from, all give nice BBBJ, that is only a ghost memory now.
I also checked out Thermae 2 times, this place is still very crowded, but the level has also gone straight down compared to the hey days of 10-15 years ago, I could only find about 2-3 doable out of maybe over 100 each night, I am not talking about cuties, but only doable, and the price is getting absurd, these better ones are asking 2000-2500, and very firm at mim 2000 ST. I did not have much interest, but as a test for the market, these few I consider doable are very firm on this standard price, so since my last trip in Thermae a few years back, the standard price for these better ones is up 500-1000 again, a few years back, no one asked 2000ST. 2500 will be a joke then, and nowadays these that are asking this price are not even semi-cutie, only younger, slender, passable. I could see the big increase in Koreans, and maybe they also contributed to the inflation.
I think I am one of the dinosaurs members here, I see the rise and fall of Chang Ping, from a little known dusty industrial town, to a full blown wild sex town to now a almost ghost town, I predicted this to happen over 10 years ago, I also see the good value, good quality, good service of BKK, to now a bad value, bad service, bad quality now, I also predicted this long time ago. I am more of a pessimist, I think all three monger elements, value, quality and service will continue to decline in BKK, because the international buyers would pay more and more, and the local suppliers would ask more and more, the trend continues here.
Time is changing to quick for me in this town, it will be just a transit town for me,
I will continue to sneak around off the beaten path for greener pastures.RCA Knight, I could not agree with you more. There are lots of good looking gals in BKK, but very few real lookers (in my eyes) in the P4P scene.
And yes, it will continue to decline. All of those monger elements you list.
What's left? Maybe Jakarta, as it is not a destination that people go to live.
Disagree about Thermae thought. Although I have not pulled there for a long time, I do find the girls there quite attractive. Of course my eyes have become more "Asian" as the time passes here and I am not attracted to dark skinned, square jawed, high cheekboned Isaan women any more.
What's left? Maybe Jakarta, as it is not a destination that people go to live.I disagree with you on this one, quite a lot of expats live there, it's just such a sprawling city that you don't see a lot of them. I didn't realise how many until I was out for lunch with a Korean client and we went to a Korean restaurant. I was a bit surprised that there were so many Korean restaurants in Jakarta and he explained that there are 35,000 Koreans living there! Quite a few Aussies live there plus there are a lot of Dutch, being a former colony, and a lot of people travel there regularly. I've spent a fair bit of time there but the scene has changed a lot over the past few years. Hotel Mulia seems to be the best spot these days, but I haven't been there for almost a year now, so things might have changed. The radical Islamist movement picked up a bit of steam a few years back and I believe that had a big effect on Block M, which I hear is pretty dead.
Anyway, BKK is still a fun place and the closest for me to get to for some action.
I spent 2 nights here. I rarely came to this town since 5-6 years ago, for me I know the best times in BKK is done already. I checked out many of these famous establishments, Rainbow1, 2.4, very disappointed, out of 3 shops, I could not find anyone worth the mim 2000+600+ST room+drinks. Majority of girls are with artificial parts, boobs, nose, most obvious.
I played through late 90's till 06-07 in Bangkok, I know difference, people who frequent BKK through the late 90's and come back BKK today, I think it's going to be a disappointment. There are 10 times more venues for girls to work, and and the better economic progress, means more Thai guys can pick out the nice ones as mistresses or giks, and take them out of the market.
I remember the hey days over 15 years ago, when Nana ladies dance all nude to show their products and asked 1000 ST, and lots of quality to pick from, all give nice BBBJ, that is only a ghost memory now.
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Time is changing to quick for me in this town, it will be just a transit town for me,
I will continue to sneak around off the beaten path for greener pastures.Yes, Thailand's best days, P4P-wise, are behind her. At least as far as the average farang is concerned.
Let's face it. The main reason why anybody made the arduous trek from home to BKK was price and fun. Most of the girls were tons of fun to be around. They loved their sanuk, you could bye-tee-oh all over the place if you were so inclined, have outstanding GFE, all for $30 - $50 per day, plus expenses. We know that Thai girls, in general, aren't that great in the sack. But, since there is no such thing as bad sex, you can overlook that in light of the main reasons you're in BKK, i. e. price and fun.
Now the fun certainly has gone out of it to a large degree. Short time is the rule, not the exception. The prices now are hardly a bargain. There is really no reason to come to Thailand as a sex tourist.
However, let's put everything into perspective. I just returned from 10 days in Malaysia and Singapore. Let's examine those places for a minute.
P4P in MY is completely different. It seems far more oriented to massage. Certainly there are no go-go bars. All of the ladies I saw plying their trade in the evening around the hotels were ladyboys. Alcohol, as is expected in a Muslim country, is very expensive. What P4P was available, at least what I could find in the few days I was there, tended to be a massage with some sort of hanky-panky involved, for about 100RM, or about $35, or about 1,000 baht. Cheaper than BKK, but only just, and not nearly as much fun. If massage is your thing you'll probably be OK there, but Malaysia is hardly a P4P destination, IMHO.
Singapore was abso-fucking-lutely expensive. The massages I could find tended to be 50SGD for an hour, plus another 50SGD for a happy ending. Yes, I'm sure it could be found cheaper, but I could only get away so often. I hit Orchard Tower for a couple of hours, just for research. One place advertised Russian pole dancers. Beer was $10sgd for a mug (265-ish Baht). And these "Russian" (yeah, right) dancers gave their Thai sisters a run for their money in the buffalo shuffle. A larger bunch of uninspired dancers I've not seen outside of Thailand. I poked my head into most of the other places. All were staffed mostly by PH ladies, but it was dark and some may have been PRC. I wound up in Jamboree due to the country music. A large Tiger bottle was $16sgd (425-ish baht). All ladies were PH, a few were cute, and several not only were far past their sell-by date but were only about a 5 on their best day, probably during the Reagan administration.
The next night I stopped into a karaoke place near the hotel. Again, staffed by 100% PH. Most were incredibly average looking and chubby. Mug of Tiger $7sgd. The lady drinks were $30sgd (!) of which she gets half. Both ladies who glommed onto me told me that a PH lady could be had for no less than $300sgd. However, that was for all night and all day the next day if so inclined. Wheeeee. Now this is pretty much bottom of the barrel market, as far as I could tell. I know there are some high-end venues, but I think few on this board are oil sheiks.
Suddenly, 150 ($4.50usd) baht drinks and 2000 baht ($63 USD) liaisons don't look so bad.
My point is that, for the area and the times, Thailand isn't that bad. (Yes, damned with faint praise.) It's better than most of the places in SEA. Of course that may be like being the fattest Red Hot Chili Pepper. So, if you're here anyway, a relatively good time can be had in Thailand for less than you'd spend in many other countries in the area. But it's certainly no longer a P4P destination, IMHO. One can do better with some of the FKK clubs, or Mexico, or much of South America.
FruitNinja
04-24-14, 13:07
Yes, Thailand's best days, P4P-wise, are behind her. At least as far as the average farang is concerned.
Let's face it. The main reason why anybody made the arduous trek from home to BKK was price and fun. Most of the girls were tons of fun to be around. They loved their sanuk, you could bye-tee-oh all over the place if you were so inclined, have outstanding GFE, all for $30. $50 per day, plus expenses. We know that Thai girls, in general, aren't that great in the sack. But, since there is no such thing as bad sex, you can overlook that in light of the main reasons you're in BKK, I. E. Price and fun.
Now the fun certainly has gone out of it to a large degree. Short time is the rule, not the exception. The prices now are hardly a bargain. There is really no reason to come to Thailand as a sex tourist.
However, let's put everything into perspective. I just returned from 10 days in Malaysia and Singapore. Let's examine those places for a minute.
P4P in MY is completely different. It seems far more oriented to massage. Certainly there are no go-go bars. All of the ladies I saw plying their trade in the evening around the hotels were ladyboys. Alcohol, as is expected in a Muslim country, is very expensive. What P4P was available, at least what I could find in the few days I was there, tended to be a massage with some sort of hanky-panky involved, for about 100RM, or about $35, or about 1, 000 baht. Cheaper than BKK, but only just, and not nearly as much fun. If massage is your thing you'll probably be OK there, but Malaysia is hardly a P4P destination, IMHO.
Singapore was abso-fucking-lutely expensive. The massages I could find tended to be 50SGD for an hour, plus another 50SGD for a happy ending. Yes, I'm sure it could be found cheaper, but I could only get away so often. I hit Orchard Tower for a couple of hours, just for research. One place advertised Russian pole dancers. Beer was $10sgd for a mug (265-ish Baht). And these "Russian" (yeah, right) dancers gave their Thai sisters a run for their money in the buffalo shuffle. A larger bunch of uninspired dancers I've not seen outside of Thailand. I poked my head into most of the other places. All were staffed mostly by PH ladies, but it was dark and some may have been PRC. I wound up in Jamboree due to the country music. A large Tiger bottle was $16sgd (425-ish baht). All ladies were PH, a few were cute, and several not only were far past their sell-by date but were only about a 5 on their best day, probably during the Reagan administration.
The next night I stopped into a karaoke place near the hotel. Again, staffed by 100% PH. Most were incredibly average looking and chubby. Mug of Tiger $7sgd. The lady drinks were $30sgd (!) of which she gets half. Both ladies who glommed onto me told me that a PH lady could be had for no less than $300sgd. However, that was for all night and all day the next day if so inclined. Wheeeee. Now this is pretty much bottom of the barrel market, as far as I could tell. I know there are some high-end venues, but I think few on this board are oil sheiks.
Suddenly. 150 ($4. 50usd) baht drinks and 2000 baht ($63 USD) liaisons don't look so bad.
My point is that, for the area and the times, Thailand isn't that bad. (Yes, damned with faint praise.) It's better than most of the places in SEA. Of course that may be like being the fattest Red Hot Chili Pepper. So, if you're here anyway, a relatively good time can be had in Thailand for less than you'd spend in many other countries in the area. But it's certainly no longer a P4P destination, IMHO. One can do better with some of the FKK clubs, or Mexico, or much of South America.And then let's look at home country. I'm talking about the West. If I want quality Asian or Caucasian for that matter it's going to be costly. 7 quality escorts are $300 usd plus for one hour. I've never tried for an all nighted as most of the girls in the 7 range don't or won't. You can get an escort for all night but now your talking the 9-10 quality. I'm guessing that's going to run in the 2-3000 USD range. So Thailand is very appealing. For anything near $100 you're looking at drug addicted street walkers.
I've not been coming to Asia that long. I did the Cuba, Costa Rica, Columbia, Russia, and Eastern Europe dance before I got bit by the Asian bug. So for me it's relatively new. I have no problem shelling out 100-200 for an all nighter with a cute looking 20 year old. Bar girl problems aside one can find a lot of gems. Yes, the look has changed, yes there is more plastic but there are still a lot of cuties for the picking. I never take girls with plastic, or tattoos. I look for their presence on stage. I take my time. I don't drink a lot and have no problem walking in looking around and walking out if I don't see anything that strikes my fancy. I have managed to connect with a few of the girls and have seen them on multiple visits. This is the sweet spot. They are not robots. And as with any woman there has to be some connection. My BKK regular started out all covered and slowly undressed as she got more comfortable. The more I saw her the more things came into play. Yes, I'm sure things have changed. But it's all relative.
I wish I had been around for Bangkok's heyday. But I was having a blast in other areas of the world. I don't regret it. I make the best of what I have to work with. So in BKK I see my regular, when she pops out for a few hours to go home and change or whatever. I run down to Annie's or Dr BJ's and do a little extra fun. Where the hell can you run and get a blow job? A relatively cheap blow job. And quite frankly when I'm getting a blow job I'm not too concerned about what the girl looks like. A 5 is just fine. A 5 with huge knockers and good technique is even better.
I had a good time and plan on having one in September and in January.
FN
AirlineCrew
04-24-14, 13:19
However, let's put everything into perspective. I just returned from 10 days in Malaysia and Singapore.Let me put Taiwan on that list where you pay top dollar for (old) ladies and don't even ask about the young escort girls
(still very good place to go for freebees though, but thats not a good word for them cause they can be expensive too and then add some drama that somehow Always comes into play sooner or later)
Japan is also a place thats not very good for mongering (if you are a foreigner) , so is China.
So maybe the only place in the East that can hold up against Thailand is the philipinnes. (but I prefer the thai in looks, just my opinion, don't shoot me)
So yes I hear you guys when you say BKK p4p days are long over, but it's still the best in Southeast asia. Be happy you lived through the golden years and have some good memories. I was never there during the 90's so sadly I did not experience it.
I still think it's great and cheaper than back home. Girls are beautiful, weather is nice. Life is good.
What is the go go that one can get a BBBJ in the naughty boys corner? Was it lollipop or after skool or am I totally off? Was it NEP or soi cowboy? I looked for it when I was there, but after walking in and out of so many bars and so many drinks I forgot and never got to do it.
Member #4698
04-24-14, 15:12
I have no problem shelling out 100-200 for an all nighter with a cute looking 20 year old. Bar girl problems aside one can find a lot of gems. Yes, the look has changed, yes there is more plastic but there are still a lot of cuties for the picking. I never take girls with plastic, or tattoos. I look for their presence on stage. I take my time. I don't drink a lot and have no problem walking in looking around and walking out if I don't see anything that strikes my fancy. I have managed to connect with a few of the girls and have seen them on multiple visits. This is the sweet spot. They are not robots. And as with any woman there has to be some connection. My BKK regular started out all covered and slowly undressed as she got more comfortable. The more I saw her the more things came into play. Yes, I'm sure things have changed. But it's all relative.
I wish I had been around for Bangkok's heyday. But I was having a blast in other areas of the world. I don't regret it. I make the best of what I have to work with. So in BKK I see my regular, when she pops out for a few hours to go home and change or whatever. I run down to Annie's or Dr BJ's and do a little extra fun. Where the hell can you run and get a blow job? A relatively cheap blow job. And quite frankly when I'm getting a blow job I'm not too concerned about what the girl looks like. A 5 is just fine. A 5 with huge knockers and good technique is even better.
I had a good time and plan on having one in September and in January.
FNWell said FN. I met a lot of very attractive, great in bed, great to be with girls in Asia from Feb 28 to April 23. There were high quality girls everywhere I went, but usually the high quality girls with excellence attitudes and performance came at a premium price. I routinely payed $100 or more to have a good time with the girls I considered attractive in Jakarta, Singapore, BKK, Pattaya, Macau, Makati, even Phnom Penh. There were cheaper alternatives available in all these places of course, but for the most part I wasn't interested in sacrificing quality in order to treat my wallet better, so I paid the going rates.
We all know that Singapore and Macau can be expensive. They are. For example, I saw a couple of Japanese beauties in Rio Sauna (real Japanese) and the price was 3200hk. That was too much for even me, so I settled. 555, on Chinese model category girls for 2400hk, which is still a very hefty price.
Jakarta prices were a little more reasonable and more in line with Thailand pricing. High quality Indonesian girls from Alexis or Malioboro ran from 1, 100, 000rp to 1, 900, 000rp if memory serves. (I am too lazy to look it up in my notes because I just returned home from my trip last night and I am tired.)
In BKK, I was spending 2500bt on my Go Go girl friend (no barfine) most of the time, but that did not include drinks, dining, birthday parties, and nights out with her friends, so I know I spent a lot more on her than just 2500bt per night. Beleive me, whatever I spent on her it was worth it! In addition, some of the best sex I experienced in BKK this trip occurred in La Belle where I payed 4, 000bt to 6, 000bt ST for girls depending on their sideline classification. In my experience this trip, the big price was totally worth it because these beautiful girls gave me some of the best sex that I can remember in recent years.
Makati can also be very expensive if you are looking for top quality. You can find very sexy girls in Rogues and Stardust for around 3600p total (a little less than $100) , but better looking girls at Bottoms will cost you double that amount; I kid you not, and if you want the top quality that Manila has available, then you must go to the international bars like La La Land, and Air Force One were you can expect to pay 10, 000p minimum.
But perhaps the biggest surprise of my trip, price wise, occured in Phnom Penh. I can still recall shagging really pretty little Khmer girls all night for $20 to $30 total as late as 2009. This year I found, however, that all the bar girls I wanted to have sex with were all on mens, ha ha ha and the ones I wouldn't shag for free were available for $30 to $40 ST. No thank you! So I migrated upscale to Darling Bar at the Naga World were I found plenty of ready and willing high quality Khmers for, wait for it, $100 / night. Unbelievable, but true and guess what, I paid up for it because I wanted the quality and didn't want to settle for less. Again, just my opinion, but it was worth it.
So I guess this is bad news for the monger world. The secret is out about Asian women and high quality Asian girls are now asking world class prices. I am willing to pay up because I love Asian women and because I am unwilling to settle for average quality or girls with a excess mileage. I spent a few days in Pattaya and took one girl from the Six for 1000bt ST. She was 19 and had a sweet personality, but as far as looks go, she was at best a 5* and the sex was nothing to write home about. I also visited Sensations Go Go on walking Street were the quality was high and I had a great time with a couple of Agency girls. The barfine 1500bt before midnight. 1000bt after midnight, plus 2500bt for sex. And the sex was great.
Same same type experiences with most of the girls I had sex with in AC and Subic this year. They were all very nice girls and very young. I paid 1500p for the standard LT and enjoyed myself, but as far as looks are concerned these girls were at best 5. 5 star quality. Later I moved on to Makati where I enjoyed 8* star quality boom boom with a Bottoms girl for 4000p + 3000p barfine. There was no comparison in the experience between my Makati friend and the charming little Subic / AC girls. The Makati girl was much much better on every level except price.
So that is the state of affairs as I saw it in Asia this March and April 2014. True, there are diamonds in the rough out there, so good luck hunting for it, but in general, if you want high quality girls, you are going to have to pay up for the experience. And that's all there is to it.
Hotman 666
04-24-14, 15:17
What is the go go that one can get a BBBJ in the naughty boys corner? Was it lollipop or after skool or am I totally off? Was it NEP or soi cowboy? I looked for it when I was there, but after walking in and out of so many bars and so many drinks I forgot and never got to do it.Nclpimp,
30 seconds using the search facility came up with a report from 09. 08. 13 by Wolvenvacht.
"Afterskool in Soi Cowboy is home of the "naughty boys corner" where BJs are given in semi-public, but watch out, the moment you walk in three or four bargirls will stalk you and ask for ladydrinks. Although I haven't been a victim of it, it pays to always check the bar-tabs they put in your bin. It has been reported that sometimes "alien" tabs find their home in your bin. Try to stay (more or less) sober during your hunts."
Enjoy,
Hotman
Well said FN. I met a lot of very attractive, great in bed, great to be with girls in Asia from Feb 28 to April 23. There were high quality girls everywhere I went, but usually the high quality girls with excellence attitudes and performance came at a premium price. I routinely payed $100 or more to have a good time with the girls I considered attractive in Jakarta, Singapore, BKK, Pattaya, Macau, Makati, even Phnom Penh. There were cheaper alternatives available in all these places of course, but for the most part I wasn't interested in sacrificing quality in order to treat my wallet better, so I paid the going rates.
We all know that Singapore and Macau can be expensive. They are. For example, I saw a couple of Japanese beauties in Rio Sauna (real Japanese) and the price was 3200hk. That was too much for even me, so I settled. 555, on Chinese model category girls for 2400hk, which is still a very hefty price.Natty,
This could be very excellent info. However its a bit much to expect all readers to know all currencies intimately. I certainly do not. I certainly have not been to HK for a long time and do not know its currency. I struggle to remember RMB too. So my suggestion if you want to compare many countries would be to do a conversion into a well known common currency. I. E. $US would be acceptable or Thai Baht (since its the Thailand thread).
P. S. Other guys tell me their Indonesian travels largely result in free sex, but perhaps that is in far flung provinces like Sulawesi, Medan and not Jakarta? I have not been there.
Nclpimp,
30 seconds using the search facility came up with a report from 09. 08. 13 by Wolvenvacht.
"Afterskool in Soi Cowboy is home of the "naughty boys corner" where BJs are given in semi-public, but watch out, the moment you walk in three or four bargirls will stalk you and ask for ladydrinks. Although I haven't been a victim of it, it pays to always check the bar-tabs they put in your bin. It has been reported that sometimes "alien" tabs find their home in your bin. Try to stay (more or less) sober during your hunts."
Enjoy,
HotmanI usually go to Afterskool for a blowjob when I'm in Bangkok, probably between 2 and 4 times a year. Didn't go last Sunday when I was passing through though, too lazy and jet-lagged. I've never had a problem there with them padding out my bill, but the older staff there remember me and that probably helps. I've also seen them give blowjobs at the bar and at the tables, but the tables are a bit uncomfortable because they don't move away from the seats. Tried it a couple of times before heading to the corner.
RCA Knight, I could not agree with you more. There are lots of good looking gals in BKK, but very few real lookers (in my eyes) in the P4P scene.
Disagree about Thermae thought. Although I have not pulled there for a long time, I do find the girls there quite attractive. Of course my eyes have become more "Asian" as the time passes here and I am not attracted to dark skinned, square jawed, high cheekboned Isaan women any more."Agree"?
Your taste is clearly not like RCA Knight at all, nor like mine.
Also I don't understand why you refer to square jawed Isaan girls. I don't like square jawed either, but find square jaw or square face is most prevalent in the north of Thailand, especially in Chiangmai region, but not all girls of course. Most Isaan girls that I like, have narrow jaws sometimes even slightly pointy chins. High cheek bones, yes that is a common trait. I don't choose broad faces or broad squashed noses either. The skin colour just doesn't bother me at all. Real Laos girls tend to have rather round faces, and are not similar looking to my type of narrow faced Isaan girls.
Is it possible by "square jaw", you actually mean pointy chin?
I enclose some links to pics of Isaan women (not all to my taste but illustrate what I would say is non-square jaws) (apologies for some look shopped) :
https://www.thailovelines.com/skins/blue/images/isaan-women.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6497884437_4853cde1f4.jpg
http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Beautiful-Thai-girls-11.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7046/6888146961_a60f1d751a_z.jpg
The 3rd one from Udon, would be best to my taste despite not being very white. The 2nd one, I can't tell due to photo-shopping made the eyes too big.
Finally a pic of some Northern girls (presumably. From Chiang Mai). A few of these have squarish (rectangular) faces that don't appeal to me. By squarish I am meaning that the width of the face doesn't vary that much, and moderately broad, from the cheeks to a fair way down, almost to the chin (still broad).
In fact none of girls in this pic appeal to me, really. The tall one at the back has the slimmest face overall but clearly a nose job, even if not the worst nose job.
http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1600-4/photos/1354135967-loy-krathong-festival-and-parade-underway-in-thailand_1640454.jpg
Traveler1234
04-24-14, 16:52
P. S. Other guys tell me their Indonesian travels largely result in free sexMy dear friend. Nothing is free, you know that ;)
But Jakarta remains as 'close to the old days' as one can get. But even there, things are cracking down, prices going up. The local girls do luv bules. Aka non-Asian males, LOL. If you're young and game, you will score easily.
You need to take a visit one day and hook up with some of the local seniors there.
Paul Kausch
04-24-14, 16:54
Other guys tell me their Indonesian travels largely result in free sex, but perhaps that is in far flung provinces like Sulawesi, Medan and not Jakarta? I have not been there.I never got free sex in Jakarta, but I wasn't living there. Semi-pros are readily available. In Semarang, where I did live, it was very easy to find a pretty young Javanese girl who would be delighted to move in, clean, your house, buy and cook your food, do your laundry, iron your clothes and fuck your brains out, in exchange for room and board and the equivalent of couple of US$ (less than 100 baht) once a week or so to go to the market and buy some pretty little trinket for herself. Sweet, kind, sexy and completely unspoiled girls were the norm not the exception. Almost free sex with non-pros was also readily available. On 29 March, in the Bangkok Report thread, I posted an off-topic report that a couple of guys seemed to enjoy reminiscing about life in Semarang.
"Agree"?
Your taste is clearly not like RCA Knight at all, nor like mine.
Also I don't understand why you refer to square jawed Isaan girls. I don't like square jawed either, but find square jaw or square face is most prevalent in the north of Thailand, especially in Chiangmai region, but not all girls of course. Most Isaan girls that I like, have narrow jaws sometimes even slightly pointy chins. High cheek bones, yes that is a common trait. I don't choose broad faces or broad squashed noses either. The skin colour just doesn't bother me at all. Real Laos girls tend to have rather round faces, and are not similar looking to my type of narrow faced Isaan girls.
Is it possible by "square jaw", you actually mean pointy chin?
I enclose some links to pics of Isaan women (not all to my taste but illustrate what I would say is non-square jaws) (apologies for some look shopped) :
https://www.thailovelines.com/skins/blue/images/isaan-women.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6497884437_4853cde1f4.jpg
http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Beautiful-Thai-girls-11.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7046/6888146961_a60f1d751a_z.jpg
The 3rd one from Udon, would be best to my taste despite not being very white. The 2nd one, I can't tell due to photo-shopping made the eyes too big.
Finally a pic of some Northern girls (presumably. From Chiang Mai). A few of these have squarish (rectangular) faces that don't appeal to me. By squarish I am meaning that the width of the face doesn't vary that much, and moderately broad, from the cheeks to a fair way down, almost to the chin (still broad).
In fact none of girls in this pic appeal to me, really. The tall one at the back has the slimmest face overall but clearly a nose job, even if not the worst nose job.
http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1600-4/photos/1354135967-loy-krathong-festival-and-parade-underway-in-thailand_1640454.jpgI agree with his assessment of the scene being in decline. Has nothing to do with his or my taste in gals.
As far as "square jawed" I am referring to the back of the jaw near the ear. Instead of a nice smooth slope, it tends to come down from the ear forming an almost right angle that then heads to the mouth and chin.
Of the pics you posted I find number 2 and 3 to be all right. The rest not really to my taste.
A quick Google find these-
http://www.travelnix.com/wp-content/uploads/chiang_mai_girls_women.jpg
All of whom, I find very attractive, except the gal on the far right. The one on the far left is nothing short of stunning.
Of course BKK has the best gals.
This face just does it for me.
http://he-knows.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/central-thai-girls.jpg
What amazes me is how my tastes have changed over the years. When I moved here I was very attracted to darker Isaan girls, but not now.
A friend's wife who is a small dark skinned girl from the NE once remarked to me in Thai,"when farangs first come to Thailand their eyes don't work." I see her point. Almost all my long term resident friends who have lived here for years have gone through changes in their tastes. Does not really seem to effect tourists as it does residents. Guess it shows how the images we are bombarded with can effect us. When I first moved here and was exposed to Thai TV I was not attracted to the gals I saw, thinking instead the gals in the bars were better looking and far sexier. Now I am amazed that I ever thought that way. What I liked 15 years ago does look a bit simian to me these days. I see pics of gals I took back in the day and now I would not be the least bit interested.
We were in Thermae one night about a year or so ago and were talking to a pretty cool Japanese guy. At one point he asked us which girls we found attractive. We pointed a few out and he looked a bit shocked and remarked,"You have good taste." He then asked us,"Why do most western guys like girls that look like monkeys." Sadly I see his point.
Of course there are beauties from every region and turds in every province.
I disagree with you on this one, quite a lot of expats live there, it's just such a sprawling city that you don't see a lot of them. I didn't realise how many until I was out for lunch with a Korean client and we went to a Korean restaurant. I was a bit surprised that there were so many Korean restaurants in Jakarta and he explained that there are 35, 000 Koreans living there! Quite a few Aussies live there plus there are a lot of Dutch, being a former colony, and a lot of people travel there regularly. I've spent a fair bit of time there but the scene has changed a lot over the past few years. Hotel Mulia seems to be the best spot these days, but I haven't been there for almost a year now, so things might have changed. The radical Islamist movement picked up a bit of steam a few years back and I believe that had a big effect on Block M, which I hear is pretty dead.
Anyway, BKK is still a fun place and the closest for me to get to for some action.Let me clarify. Most of the expats who live there are also working there. Not to many people go to Jakarta to just hang about or to retire like the do in BKK and the rest of LOS.
Wolvenvacht
04-24-14, 18:04
http://www.travelnix.com/wp-content/uploads/chiang_mai_girls_women.jpg[/url]
All of whom, I find very attractive, except the gal on the far right. The one on the far left is nothing short of stunning.I find the one on the far right most beautiful and I would not hesitate to go with her if she ever turns up in an agogo in Bangkok. The one on the left is not really my taste. She seems to have some Chinese genes in her.
Funny how we all have our own taste and measure of beauty. And that's perfectly OK! Suppose we all have the same standards: we'd all be queuing for the same girls.
I find the one on the far right most beautiful and I would not hesitate to go with her if she ever turns up in an agogo in Bangkok. The one on the left is not really my taste. She seems to have some Chinese genes in her.
Funny how we all have our own taste and measure of beauty. And that's perfectly OK! Suppose we all have the same standards: we'd all be queuing for the same girls.I wouldn't kick any of them out of bed for eating crackers. Number three from the left does it for me.
I find the one on the far right most beautiful and I would not hesitate to go with her if she ever turns up in an agogo in Bangkok. The one on the left is not really my taste. She seems to have some Chinese genes in her.
Funny how we all have our own taste and measure of beauty. And that's perfectly OK! Suppose we all have the same standards: we'd all be queuing for the same girls.I like those "Chinese genes." Your last statement is so true. We all have different eyes and those eyes can change. When I first moved here the one on the far right would have been right in my wheelhouse, but now she would be the last choice.
Paul Kausch
04-25-14, 01:42
Funny how we all have our own taste and measure of beauty.
We all have different eyes and those eyes can change.So true. Of course there are cultural differences. There are local women who I think are fat and unattractive that men here find attractive. They no doubt think I like skinny, bony women. Haha! Skin color is another important attribute for some men, particularly from some cultures. In contrast, skin color per se has no influence on whether I find a woman attractive or not. And there are some women who objectively are not particular attractive and may have some unusual and not very attractive facial feature who I still find sexually attractive. I may not want to marry them, but I sure want to fuck them. :D This is particularly true when I see the lady in the flesh as opposed to in a photo. Pheromones may have something to do with that.
Let me clarify. Most of the expats who live there are also working there. Not to many people go to Jakarta to just hang about or to retire like the do in BKK and the rest of LOS.OK, agree. Yes, it's not a place that people travel to mainly for P4P. I quite like Jakarta, it's got more soul to it than Singapore, but still not as much fun a BKK. That could be because I know BKK better.
Member #4698
04-25-14, 12:03
I tried to send you a pm yesterday and I see you have elected not to receive private messages. I totally understand, but I wish to speak in private with you about a girl I met at Suzie Wong that I think you may know. I will not mention her name in the public forum so text me if you wish to have this private discussion.
NP.
A Sample International Price Comparison for Top Quality Girls:
Macau Sauna (Rio) : Japanese model. $413 ST, Chinese Model. $310 ST.
Jakarta (Alexis Hotel) : Foreign girl. $163 ST, Indonesian girl. $95 ST
Jakarta (Malioboro Hotel) : Floor Dancers. $189 ST, Regular Indonesian girls $69 to $86 ST.
Singapore (Brix Bar at Hyatt) : International FL's. $318 ST.
Singapore (Geylang) : Top Chinese girls. $119 ST.
Phnom Penh (Darling Bar at Nagaworld) : FL's. 100$ LT.
Bangkok (La Belle) : Sideline girls $123 to $185 ST.
Makati Burgos Street (Bottoms Bar) : $156 LT.
Makati Burgos Street (Rogues and Stardust Bars) : $80 LT
I totally understand, but I wish to speak in private with you about a girl I met at Suzie Wong that I think you may know. I will not mention her name in the public forum so text me if you wish to have this private discussion.okay I do know about a dozen girls at SW. YMMV. You can PM me.
Milage even varies for me with some girls. Last night took a girl from CrazyH, who previously performed quite okay Last night she had had a few drinks and was dancing extra raunchy showing her ass and pussy (usually a shy type). I thought she me might be hot for it, plied with a little alcohol. Turned out to be a disaster. I guess was too much alcohol. A lesson learned too many times. Don't BF drunk girls. One SW girl even warned me not to BF her since she was drunk. She knew she would be shit and so warned me. Just asked me to buy her drinks instead and molest her a bit in the bar. LOL
As far as "square jawed" I am referring to the back of the jaw near the ear. Instead of a nice smooth slope, it tends to come down from the ear forming an almost right angle that then heads to the mouth and chin.
http://www.travelnix.com/wp-content/uploads/chiang_mai_girls_women.jpg
All of whom, I find very attractive, except the gal on the far right. The one on the far left is nothing short of stunning.
This face just does it for me.
http://he-knows.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/central-thai-girls.jpgPerhaps some Isaan girls have pronounce jaw angle below the ear, but its not typically a right angle.
In your Chiangmai girl pic: I agree the first one is great. 2nd is a bit broad in the jaw for me. 3rd is fine. 4th I can't tell. She is too sideways.
The face that "does it for you" is sure good looking but not really my spec. Nose slightly bulbous. Its pretty much close to look of Thai movie star Um, although you will see Um has a better nose. Actually Um is not my favourite either.
Here are the top ten Thai Movie stars (female). Um is rated No. 1 but not really my spec. I like numbers 10, 9, 8, and 3. Some of the top rated ones have funny shaped noses. Anne is close to 40 years old now."Noon" Woranut No. 7 is a bit like Um, but looks better to me.
http://lylar143.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/top-3-highest-paid-thai-actresses-of-2011/
To my taste Yaya No. 9 is the really dazzlingly beautiful one. Ploy No. 3 might be 2nd choice although nose looks a bit fakish.
Another dazzler to my taste (not in top ten) : Teya:
http://sin.stb.s-msn.com/i/92/52C98CFC34F918985CF468E1BF8066.jpg
http://image.qpicture.com/image/t/artist-taya-rogers/taya-rogers-336188.jpg
You just don't find girls even slightly approximating Yaya or Teya in bars or MPs of course. Firstly the fake noses never look that good.
I specially don't go for the Chinese look which to me is typically a flat round face with extra slanty (slim) eyes. Exceptions exist of course like Shu Qi.
Pointy Stick
04-25-14, 14:11
Yes, Thailand's best days, P4P-wise, are behind her. At least as far as the average farang is concerned.
Let's face it. The main reason why anybody made the arduous trek from home to BKK was price and fun. Most of the girls were tons of fun to be around. They loved their sanuk, you could bye-tee-oh all over the place if you were so inclined, have outstanding GFE, all for $30. $50 per day, plus expenses. We know that Thai girls, in general, aren't that great in the sack. But, since there is no such thing as bad sex, you can overlook that in light of the main reasons you're in BKK, I. E. Price and fun.
Now the fun certainly has gone out of it to a large degree. Short time is the rule, not the exception. The prices now are hardly a bargain. There is really no reason to come to Thailand as a sex tourist.
My point is that, for the area and the times, Thailand isn't that bad. (Yes, damned with faint praise.) It's better than most of the places in SEA. Of course that may be like being the fattest Red Hot Chili Pepper. So, if you're here anyway, a relatively good time can be had in Thailand for less than you'd spend in many other countries in the area. But it's certainly no longer a P4P destination, IMHO. One can do better with some of the FKK clubs, or Mexico, or much of South America.I don't really buy into your whole argument for a number of reasons. First is that I've really only been mongering there for about 6 years so when you talk about how great things were in the 90's I have no point of reference to compare it to. Thailand is what it is here and now. I also prefer short time not LT. While I take your point that there are other places like Europe I live in Australia and I'd be spending about USD2k for the flights with 24 hours in the air plus shelling out serious money for hotels and food. I can get a return flight from Sydney to BKK on sale through Airasia for under USD$400 with around 8 hours flight time with hotels priced far cheaper than their european counterparts. Maybe SA could be option as I speak some Spanish but the security situation leaves much to be desired. Go to the Rio forum and you'll hear guys says the same thing, the best days are gone but a destination is sometimes only as good as you make it.
Mental note. Listen to syzygies when it comes to beautiful girls, not kaychuks or whatever his name is (he has his own thread)
Perhaps some Isaan girls have pronounce jaw angle below the ear, but its not typically a right angle.
In your Chiangmai girl pic: I agree the first one is great. 2nd is a bit broad in the jaw for me. 3rd is fine. 4th I can't tell. She is too sideways.
The face that "does it for you" is sure good looking but not really my spec. Nose slightly bulbous. Its pretty much close to look of Thai movie star Um, although you will see Um has a better nose. Actually Um is not my favourite either.
Here are the top ten Thai Movie stars (female). Um is rated No. 1 but not really my spec. I like numbers 10, 9.8, and 3. Some of the top rated ones have funny shaped noses. Anne is close to 40 years old now."Noon" Woranut No. 7 is a bit like Um, but looks better to me.
http://lylar143.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/top-3-highest-paid-thai-actresses-of-2011/
To my taste Yaya No. 9 is the really dazzlingly beautiful one. Ploy No. 3 might be 2nd choice although nose looks a bit fakish.
Another dazzler to my taste (not in top ten) : Teya:
http://sin.stb.s-msn.com/i/92/52C98CFC34F918985CF468E1BF8066.jpg
http://image.qpicture.com/image/t/artist-taya-rogers/taya-rogers-336188.jpg
You just don't find girls even slightly approximating Yaya or Teya in bars or MPs of course. Firstly the fake noses never look that good.
My dear friend. Nothing is free, you know that ;)Yes I know well. My Thai GF is way more expensive than a hooker. LOL.
I am always keen to have sex with her, but she just doesn't seem to need / want as much as I do. She is scared of being tired after sex with too many cums. She is very sensitive. Its no challenge to make her cum at all. She is still shy and doesn't like to be seen nude by me in strong lighting, even though still a great body.
If we ever finish up, I vow never to take a new GF (unless of course she is very wealthy) LOL, Or unless she provides daily great sex and costs far less than a hooker.
Girls that provide "free sex" always cost time and money. Its saves a hell of a lot of time, just to make a booking at an MP for a hot girl and go get a fab session. E. G. Dr. BJ VIP is one of my latest methods to get very titillating bodyslide and to fuck my brains out without wasting search time.
15 to 20 years ago I used to take body slide regularly at CP II and Mona Lisa, but in recent years I have found it hard to find a really good one till now.
Singapore was abso-fucking-lutely expensive. The massages I could find tended to be 50SGD for an hour, plus another 50SGD for a happy ending. Yes, I'm sure it could be found cheaper, but I could only get away so often. I hit Orchard Tower for a couple of hours, just for research. One place advertised Russian pole dancers. Beer was $10sgd for a mug (265-ish Baht). And these "Russian" (yeah, right) dancers gave their Thai sisters a run for their money in the buffalo shuffle. A larger bunch of uninspired dancers I've not seen outside of Thailand. I poked my head into most of the other places. All were staffed mostly by PH ladies, but it was dark and some may have been PRC. I wound up in Jamboree due to the country music. A large Tiger bottle was $16sgd (425-ish baht). All ladies were PH, a few were cute, and several not only were far past their sell-by date but were only about a 5 on their best day, probably during the Reagan administration.
(snip)
My point is that, for the area and the times, Thailand isn't that bad. (Yes, damned with faint praise.) It's better than most of the places in SEA.In some ways Singapore is better than Thailand & has things Siam doesn't have.
For example, where in LOS can you get sex with PRC, Indonesian, EI, PI or VN P4P ladies? You can't. In SG this is as easy to find as locating NEP in BKK.
Moreover, where in Thaksin land can you fuck a hot lady for 600 baht. Can't be done. In SG it's so easy.
Overall, all things considered, I'd say SG IME was more or less as good as the Kingdom for P4P.
Pricewise I found everything such as food, booze, clothes, taxis, etc, about the same in Geylang as I spend in BKK for the equivalent or similar items. Hotels being an exception as they cost more for the same quality, so to pay the same price one would need to stay in, for example, a smaller room.
Due to the practicly total absence of farang in this red light area, I'd have to say it is evidently their yet "undiscovered country".
Jimmy Boy 99
04-25-14, 21:35
Here are the top ten Thai Movie stars (female). Um is rated No. 1 but not really my spec. I like numbers 10, 9.8, and 3. Some of the top rated ones have funny shaped noses. Anne is close to 40 years old now."Noon" Woranut No. 7 is a bit like Um, but looks better to me.
http://lylar143.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/top-3-highest-paid-thai-actresses-of-2011/
To my taste Yaya No. 9 is the really dazzlingly beautiful one. Ploy No. 3 might be 2nd choice although nose looks a bit fakish.
Another dazzler to my taste (not in top ten) : Teya:
http://sin.stb.s-msn.com/i/92/52C98CFC34F918985CF468E1BF8066.jpg
http://image.qpicture.com/image/t/artist-taya-rogers/taya-rogers-336188.jpgTo me, #2 has the most beautiful face, although #9 is the cutest and sexiest.
A Sample International Price Comparison for Top Quality Girls:
Macau Sauna (Rio) : Japanese model. $413 ST, Chinese Model. $310 ST.
Jakarta (Alexis Hotel) : Foreign girl. $163 ST, Indonesian girl. $95 ST
Jakarta (Malioboro Hotel) : Floor Dancers. $189 ST, Regular Indonesian girls $69 to $86 ST.
Singapore (Brix Bar at Hyatt) : International FL's. $318 ST.
Singapore (Geylang) : Top Chinese girls. $119 ST.
Phnom Penh (Darling Bar at Nagaworld) : FL's. 100$ LT.
Bangkok (La Belle) : Sideline girls $123 to $185 ST.
Makati Burgos Street (Bottoms Bar) : $156 LT.
Makati Burgos Street (Rogues and Stardust Bars) : $80 LTSo a hot Cambodian goes LT for about the same price as a Thailand gogo ST?
ST plus bar fine (drinks, ST room & tips for mamasan, etc, excluded).
I wish I had been around for Bangkok's heyday.I prefer the present viagra age internet silicone heyday. Yet I wouldn't mind paying ancient prices for food, like one cent for a NY steak, while recieving today's wages, rather than the 20 cent pay day of old.
Though if only I could have been around during Napolean's heyday or been Don Juan. Just the thought of this constantly on my mind will leave me in misery forever. But at least, unlike those lucky dudes, we have some infrastructure.
Arrived JW Marriott around 11:30 pm last night, went straight to my bar on Nana Plaza area, the one directly across from Hilary 4, next to Nana Hotel parking lot. I like watching the freelancers cruise the parking lot, enjoy watching the Nana Plaza girls coming and going. I have a noon flight today, Saturday, so last night, Friday night I wanted to quickly get a girl and get started on round 1.
At my bar (wish I know the name, sorry guys I'll pay more attention next time) I always try to get one of the bar stools along the street for best view. All were taken, but one of them had a decently pretty girl sitting on the stool, she jumped up and offered it to me. I assumed she was a bar tender so I ordered my beer. She brought my beer and immediatley started hitting on me to take her to my room. I was a bit surprised by this behavior. I've sat in this bar maybe 10 times and this is the first time a girl has approached me. OK, actually thought I'd lucked-into something as I wanted to get started. But she had an "off-center" look about her and a few red flags started to fly, but I chose to move forward anyhow.
I explained to Nan I wanted to have sex, sleep a few hours, more sex then I'm off to the airport. I asked her price, she did the "up to you" thing but the barfine was THB 350. I explained I would pay the barfine and give her THB 1, 500, and if the sex was really good I would make it 2, 000. If you read my posts you know I am not a negotiator, I appreciated the guidance I get from the forum members, helps me get to the point and avoid a task I hate; negotiating. She accepted my terms.
As soon as we got to my room she started saying "I hope you cum quickly". Oh oh, I don't. Then she worked really hard with mouth and hands, I've seen this before and some girls try really hard to get you off without using the pussy, never works on me. So we ended up having a wonderful round-one, I was very satisfied. As we rolled up into the covers for some sleep she mumbled something about waking up at 6 and going home. Two things entered my mind; 1. I will wake at 5 to screw her brains out one more time, and 2. This sounds like a pre-emptive strike to let me know she does not intend to screw me a second time.
Unfortunately number 2 was correct. I woke around 5, bathroom, back to bed intending more intense DATY to start round 2, but she ran into the bathroom and showered, dressed. Crap. When she came out of the bathroom dressed and ready to go I held out THB 1, 000 for the half-service she had just given me, and she went psycho. Yelling, screaming, crying, demanding 2, 000 (I always get 4, 000!) , calling first her girlfriend (apparently very Butch) to come kick my ass, then a few more friends to come kick my ass, then she said she would "box me", then said she had something in her purse "I will kill you". Great. I managed to get her as far as the door, showed her a THB 1, 000 and 500 bills, threw them into the middle of the hallway, and when she moved out of the door to collect the money I shut the door. She stood outside the door and told me she would be waiting for me downstairs, then she rang my doorbell for a while, finally left.
I just returned from breakfast and she was not downstairs, no surprise but as crazy as she was I was certainly alert to the possibility.
If I did not need to leave for the airport I would March over to the bar, try to find a person who manages this type of girl and hopefully this person cares about the conduct of their bar girls. But I can't do this, got to go. So I feel an injustice has been done to me, and I fear this psycho girl may unleash herself on some of you.
Any local have the energy to deliver this message for me? Or is this a total waste of time, swallow the experience, learn from it and move on?
In summary, really good sex, one round for THB 1, 500. Followed by a whacked-out screaming crazy lady who threatened to kill me. I guess life is once again in balance.
Perhaps some Isaan girls have pronounce jaw angle below the ear, but its not typically a right angle.
In your Chiangmai girl pic: I agree the first one is great. 2nd is a bit broad in the jaw for me. 3rd is fine. 4th I can't tell. She is too sideways.
The face that "does it for you" is sure good looking but not really my spec. Nose slightly bulbous. Its pretty much close to look of Thai movie star Um, although you will see Um has a better nose. Actually Um is not my favourite either.
Here are the top ten Thai Movie stars (female). Um is rated No. 1 but not really my spec. I like numbers 10, 9.8, and 3. Some of the top rated ones have funny shaped noses. Anne is close to 40 years old now."Noon" Woranut No. 7 is a bit like Um, but looks better to me.
http://lylar143.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/top-3-highest-paid-thai-actresses-of-2011/
To my taste Yaya No. 9 is the really dazzlingly beautiful one. Ploy No. 3 might be 2nd choice although nose looks a bit fakish.
Another dazzler to my taste (not in top ten) : Teya:
http://sin.stb.s-msn.com/i/92/52C98CFC34F918985CF468E1BF8066.jpg
http://image.qpicture.com/image/t/artist-taya-rogers/taya-rogers-336188.jpg
You just don't find girls even slightly approximating Yaya or Teya in bars or MPs of course. Firstly the fake noses never look that good.
I specially don't go for the Chinese look which to me is typically a flat round face with extra slanty (slim) eyes. Exceptions exist of course like Shu Qi.Always amazed at how eyes differ. It it just fascinating. And this is fun! Combing through websites looking at beautiful Thai women. Thanks for kicking this off Syn!
9 is just ok. A bit too cutesy. Never thought Champoo was that hot either. Aum is not the best looking but she exudes sex, and is rumored to be quite the bad girl.
#10, Min wins it hands down for me. #8 is not bad either.
I only posted the following list for one gal. #3, who I think it quite amazing. The rest, not.
http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lifestyle/location/the-top-10-most-beautiful-women-in-thailand/
For this list #3, #9, and #10. Would take a long time to tire of waking up to #9's or #10's mug.
http://www.dtop10list.com/2013/03/top-10-list-of-most-beautiful-thai-actress.html
#1, #3, #5, #7, #10, with #1 being one of those I would give my right arm for.
http://www.thebeautifulz.com/2013/10/thailand-top-10-most-beautiful-women.html
The site also has a frontal view of Yaya. I guess I just don't find her all that attractive. I will leave her for you other guys to fight over!
What a great start to the day.
Interested in seeing other guys comments as well.
Arrived JW Marriott around 11:30 pm last night, went straight to my bar on Nana Plaza area, the one directly across from Hilary 4, next to Nana Hotel parking lot. I like watching the freelancers cruise the parking lot, enjoy watching the Nana Plaza girls coming and going. I have a noon flight today, Saturday, so last night, Friday night I wanted to quickly get a girl and get started on round 1.
At my bar (wish I know the name, sorry guys I'll pay more attention next time) I always try to get one of the bar stools along the street for best view. All were taken, but one of them had a decently pretty girl sitting on the stool, she jumped up and offered it to me. I assumed she was a bar tender so I ordered my beer. She brought my beer and immediatley started hitting on me to take her to my room. I was a bit surprised by this behavior. I've sat in this bar maybe 10 times and this is the first time a girl has approached me. OK, actually thought I'd lucked-into something as I wanted to get started. But she had an "off-center" look about her and a few red flags started to fly, but I chose to move forward anyhow.
I explained to Nan I wanted to have sex, sleep a few hours, more sex then I'm off to the airport. I asked her price, she did the "up to you" thing but the barfine was THB 350. I explained I would pay the barfine and give her THB 1, 500, and if the sex was really good I would make it 2, 000. If you read my posts you know I am not a negotiator, I appreciated the guidance I get from the forum members, helps me get to the point and avoid a task I hate; negotiating. She accepted my terms.
As soon as we got to my room she started saying "I hope you cum quickly". Oh oh, I don't. Then she worked really hard with mouth and hands, I've seen this before and some girls try really hard to get you off without using the pussy, never works on me. So we ended up having a wonderful round-one, I was very satisfied. As we rolled up into the covers for some sleep she mumbled something about waking up at 6 and going home. Two things entered my mind; 1. I will wake at 5 to screw her brains out one more time, and 2. This sounds like a pre-emptive strike to let me know she does not intend to screw me a second time.
Unfortunately number 2 was correct. I woke around 5, bathroom, back to bed intending more intense DATY to start round 2, but she ran into the bathroom and showered, dressed. Crap. When she came out of the bathroom dressed and ready to go I held out THB 1, 000 for the half-service she had just given me, and she went psycho. Yelling, screaming, crying, demanding 2, 000 (I always get 4, 000!) , calling first her girlfriend (apparently very Butch) to come kick my ass, then a few more friends to come kick my ass, then she said she would "box me", then said she had something in her purse "I will kill you". Great. I managed to get her as far as the door, showed her a THB 1, 000 and 500 bills, threw them into the middle of the hallway, and when she moved out of the door to collect the money I shut the door. She stood outside the door and told me she would be waiting for me downstairs, then she rang my doorbell for a while, finally left.
I just returned from breakfast and she was not downstairs, no surprise but as crazy as she was I was certainly alert to the possibility.
If I did not need to leave for the airport I would March over to the bar, try to find a person who manages this type of girl and hopefully this person cares about the conduct of their bar girls. But I can't do this, got to go. So I feel an injustice has been done to me, and I fear this psycho girl may unleash herself on some of you.
Any local have the energy to deliver this message for me? Or is this a total waste of time, swallow the experience, learn from it and move on?
In summary, really good sex, one round for THB 1, 500. Followed by a whacked-out screaming crazy lady who threatened to kill me. I guess life is once again in balance.Did you explain to her before you paid the BF that you expected round 2 in the morning?
I don't really buy into your whole argument for a number of reasons. First is that I've really only been mongering there for about 6 years so when you talk about how great things were in the 90's I have no point of reference to compare it to. Thailand is what it is here and now. I also prefer short time not LT. While I take your point that there are other places like Europe I live in Australia and I'd be spending about USD2k for the flights with 24 hours in the air plus shelling out serious money for hotels and food. I can get a return flight from Sydney to BKK on sale through Airasia for under USD$400 with around 8 hours flight time with hotels priced far cheaper than their european counterparts. Maybe SA could be option as I speak some Spanish but the security situation leaves much to be desired. Go to the Rio forum and you'll hear guys says the same thing, the best days are gone but a destination is sometimes only as good as you make it.I think you fall into the "already there" category. OZ is a hop, skip and a jump from SEA. It's a no-brainer.
I live in the States. I question whether it's worth $2, 000 and many hours, for guys in the western hemisphere, simply to chase $200 / hour skirt. IMHO better options exist these days. I still come to LOS (I'm writing this as I wait to go to the airport for my dreaded trip back to reality) , but no longer strictly for the bar scene.
Of course, if the dollar ever goes back to 40:1, I may be singing a different tune. LOL
I prefer the present viagra age internet silicone heyday. Yet I wouldn't mind paying ancient prices for food, like one cent for a NY steak, while recieving today's wages, rather than the 20 cent pay day of old.Bangkok 20 years ago was good, in that could sometimes meet very part time girls in Thermae or bar newbies who were very passionate in sex. I recall a newbie bargirl that kept waking me up during the night for another round of sex. I guess she never had good sex before. Doesn't seem to happen that much in the modern day that a girl will wake me for more sex. LOL
Although girls were far cheaper, I earned a lot less, and exchange rate was worse too. $25 for a cowboy girl for the night back then. Quite good I guess. I suppose it was so cheap you could not justify sleeping alone, and taking a wank would be ridiculous. The Hotel room 2 star was probably $25 per night also. In the modern day I would never stay in hotels / inns like Nana, Honey, Miami, Crowne, etc. But back then I tried them as that is what friends were recommending.
I only posted the following list for one gal. #3, who I think it quite amazing. The rest, not.That is the same "Um" I mentioned before who is not quite my spec. I have been a big Fan of the last one Sonia Couling for many years. She is getting a bit old now. Many of the girls on the list are only half Thai. Generally I prefer full Thai girls, but their are exceptions when they look strongly Thai and only weakly Farang. There are other good ones in the list of ten.
In 2nd list I like #7 Kathrea English a bit. She has a nose job but it did improve her looks a lot. Um (Aum) Patcharapa appears again of course (#6). I could accept #9 quite well. LOL.
Many of the same women appear again in list 3. This time #4 Yaya of course for me, and I agree #1 Min is stunning. So we agree for once. LOL
Any local have the energy to deliver this message for me? Or is this a total waste of time, swallow the experience, learn from it and move on?
In summary, really good sex, one round for THB 1, 500. Followed by a whacked-out screaming crazy lady who threatened to kill me. I guess life is once again in balance.What you learn is that 1. 5K to 2K was price for ST. No girl is going to give you LT and round 2 for that price. So you needed to tell her you want her to stay till morning for round 2. The price would be a lot higher.
I live in the States. I question whether it's worth $2, 000 and many hours, for guys in the western hemisphere, simply to chase $200 / hour skirt. IMHO better options exist these days. I still come to LOS (I'm writing this as I wait to go to the airport for my dreaded trip back to reality) , but no longer strictly for the bar scene.$200 / hour skirt? Is that a slip? Where is that? Are you talking about the expensive Macau places? European prices for Romanian and latina girls is lower than that. That is good for me, as I don't have to fly anywhere. Bangkok prices are typically less than $100 for 2 hours (at Oily MPs). Then Pattaya significantly cheaper still, and $10 sex possible just outside Phnom Penh with girls having no English. Its all a question of how cheap a guy needs it to be.
Its not quite a no brainer for Australians to come to Thailand just for sex, however if going on holiday for any significant period, it is cheaper for them to holiday in Thailand than in Australia and can have a girl as well. Its cheaper still to holiday in Bali, but Balinese girls are ugly (unlike Javanese girls).
Wolvenvacht
04-26-14, 07:32
I live in the States. I question whether it's worth $2, 000 and many hours, for guys in the western hemisphere, simply to chase $200 / hour skirt. IMHO better options exist these days. I still come to LOS (I'm writing this as I wait to go to the airport for my dreaded trip back to reality) , but no longer strictly for the bar scene.
Of course, if the dollar ever goes back to 40:1, I may be singing a different tune. LOLOnly about USD 1, 000 from Europe and the EURO is doing better! 1 year ago I got 39 baht for one EURO, now it is 44.5 baht for one EURO.
USD 1, 000 will get me three afternoons in a German FKK, where the best I can get is probably a young (ish) African, otherwise it is the usual East European standard fare. For me going to LOS is a no-brainer: cheaper, more beautiful women and better service.
Pro Fesseur
04-26-14, 07:45
Moreover, where in Thaksin land can you fuck a hot lady for 600 baht. Can't be done.
Can't be done... in popular tourist areas. Can be done for even less elsewhere.
It was also quite possible (with freelancers) only 10 years ago in Bangkok, even on lower Sukhumvit (for instance), but two-week billionaires have ruined this area since. Nowadays, you have to be very lucky, but it is still quite possible to find a decent looking provider (and sometimes a really cute and even a few hot ones) for instance in Bangkok's Chinatown district (300 - 500 baht for a ST session, 80 - 120 baht for the room). Agreed, more than 80% among them are old, ugly and/or unattractive, about 15% are just "doable", but a few gems (lookwise) can be found among the rest. Don't expect top service (and that's an understatement!) although from the most beautiful girls there, and those girls very seldom speak any English.
What you learn is that 1. 5K to 2K was price for ST. No girl is going to give you LT and round 2 for that price. So you needed to tell her you want her to stay till morning for round 2. The price would be a lot higher.
It's still possible to get LT for 2K even in the tourist areas of Bangkok with freelancers, but it's true that you have to be quite clear about terms and conditions (services to be rendered, minimal number of shots expected, etc.) with the chosen girl beforehand.
Wolvenvacht
04-26-14, 08:02
It's still possible to get LT for 2K even in the tourist areas of Bangkok with freelancers, but it's true that you have to be quite clear about terms and conditions (services to be rendered, minimal number of shots expected, etc.) with the chosen girl beforehand.Going through my notes, I see that in 2011 I got a dancer from Suzie Wong to join me LT for only 1500 baht (plus barfine of 600 baht and one ladydrink). I got the usual two pops before sleeping and one in the morning from her.
Can't be done. In popular tourist areas. Can be done for even less elsewhere.
It was also quite possible (with freelancers) only 10 years ago in Bangkok, even on lower Sukhumvit (for instance) , but two-week billionaires have ruined this area since. .Probably 20 years ago they were even cheaper and I can't imagine what a bargain it was 30 years ago.
BTW, do you think that the BKK sex industry would have a living without the two-week billionaires? Do you think the expats can sustain the industry? Just asking as this debate pops up every now and then and there is never a real answer but the moaning that the tourists are ruining the prices.
Probably without the tourists the scene would not even be opened to non-Thai and the expats or (the price) hardcore not allowed to even glimpse at the P4P girls.
Did you explain to her before you paid the BF that you expected round 2 in the morning?That is what he reported.
I explained to Nan I wanted to have sex, sleep a few hours, more sex then I'm off to the airport. I asked her price, she did the "up to you" thing but the barfine was THB 350. I explained I would pay the barfine and give her THB 1, 500, and if the sex was really good I would make it 2, 000. If you read my posts you know I am not a negotiator, I appreciated the guidance I get from the forum members, helps me get to the point and avoid a task I hate; negotiating. She accepted my terms.
So it looks terms were really set and clear in advance: services and rewards.
Pointy Stick
04-26-14, 09:42
I think you fall into the "already there" category. OZ is a hop, skip and a jump from SEA. It's a no-brainer.
I live in the States. I question whether it's worth $2, 000 and many hours, for guys in the western hemisphere, simply to chase $200 / hour skirt. IMHO better options exist these days. I still come to LOS (I'm writing this as I wait to go to the airport for my dreaded trip back to reality) , but no longer strictly for the bar scene.
Of course, if the dollar ever goes back to 40:1, I may be singing a different tune. LOLI take your point that its all situational. Australia has some of the highest wages for the ordinary workers with correspondingly high living costs so its cheaper for us vacation in SEA than out home country sadly enough and that goes for those working for minimum wage at McDonalds. Not sure about Mexico but if I was living in the US then DR and the rest of SA would be an option. As I alluded to its not just the cost of chicas but also hotels and alcohol which are factors into making a location a prime mongering destination. Also I think Americans also get only two week vacation time so spending all that time traveling cuts into valauble mongering time too.
BTW Are you referring to $200 / an hour for a girl in Thailand? No doubt they exist but I pay 1900 baht at an MP for 1.5 hours which would cost me maybe USD250 in Sydney so its a bargain.
Wolvenvacht
04-26-14, 11:09
Probably 20 years ago they were even cheaper and I can't imagine what a bargain it was 30 years ago.
BTW, do you think that the BKK sex industry would have a living without the two-week billionaires? Do you think the expats can sustain the industry? Just asking as this debate pops up every now and then and there is never a real answer but the moaning that the tourists are ruining the prices.
Probably without the tourists the scene would not even be opened to non-Thai and the expats or (the price) hardcore not allowed to even glimpse at the P4P girls.The tourists and ex-pats use such a small part of the Thai sex industry that it really doesn't matter. Thai and farang operate on different markets. The high-end Thai market is generally closed to us and their low-end does not appeal to farang (if any tourist would be able to find it at all). Most of us go for the tanned Isaan girl, the mainstay of Pattaya, Nana and Soi Cowboy establishments. These are not in high demand by the Thai, as has been reported here many times. It is wrong to see the Thai sex industry as one block and even more wrong to extrapolate our "farang" experiences to the whole of the market.
Walk along the MPs of Sukhumvit Soi 23. Do you see these massage girls call after Thai men? None do. It is not their market.
Western787
04-26-14, 13:45
That's the claim by a 40 year Bangkok expat J West Hardin on his web site: http://jwesthardin.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/some-fast-facts-about-the-sex-tourism-industry-in-thailand/
Happened to see this when doing some routine fact checking on the latest sex trafficking claims. What unusual its usually NGO's, not expats, making such wild claims.
(his response posting dated dated March 28, 2012)
"Fair ball Shane. This is not to question the choice of a New York hooker who chooses her profession. The fact is that in Thailand 99% of the prostitutes are not even Thai, they are poor women from the border regions, country side and refugee's who have no choice. There is no 'willing partner' standard applied when one party is threatened with starvation or performing sex for a 'dominant male' who wants to exploit starving or oppressed women because he's too cheap to hire a woman in his own country who may be in a position to make a choice. I have a fellow blogger who writes very specifically on this subject from the perspective of the 'New York Hooker'. She wasn't exactly 'happy' about her choices either. You have to look into the background of women who choose prostitution. It's sad in most cases. Many people aren't aware that the sex trade in Thailand in area's like Phuket and Pattaya are dominated by violent gangsters who exploit and traffic women because of their immigration and economic status. Very sad. The children are often held for ransom in the back alley's of the bars. They have to pay or can't get their kids back. By Thai standards Phuket is the most corrupt state in Thailand. And that's a very low bar when measuring corruption in Thailand. Women who came to work complain of being threatened and coerced with violence into prostitution by police forces among others. Many prostitutes in the sex trade area's of Bangkok are either Issan tribeswomen or Burmese Karen natives running from murder and desperation in their own country. The moral choice for a western man not to entertain the thought of paying for sex with women who 'choose' between starvation, exploitation and being a 'willing partner' is not one I would wish on anyone. So. The next time a prostitute wants a john to buy her a drink. Remember that she's trying to forget what she has to do to feed her family. Not to better enjoy whats about to happen to her."
Western787
04-26-14, 14:12
Probably 20 years ago they were even cheaper and I can't imagine what a bargain it was 30 years ago.
BTW, do you think that the BKK sex industry would have a living without the two-week billionaires? Do you think the expats can sustain the industry? Just asking as this debate pops up every now and then and there is never a real answer but the moaning that the tourists are ruining the prices.
Probably without the tourists the scene would not even be opened to non-Thai and the expats or (the price) hardcore not allowed to even glimpse at the P4P girls.As Wolven says the Thai P4P scene is the bulk of it, however the "2 week millionaire" trade (as I refer to it) has very high profit margins and it includes the Japs and Koreans, and also gawking by tourists also bringing in large dollars.
Bangkok and sex go together and if it became effectively a Thai only scene, Bangkok would lose its kick and excitement for many visitors. Bangkok at that point would have a P4P scene pretty somewhat like Tokyo. One could look but probably not much else except those with lots of cash or knew the language.
FruitNinja
04-26-14, 14:46
That's the claim by a 40 year Bangkok expat J West Hardin on his web site:
http://jwesthardin.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/some-fast-facts-about-the-sex-tourism-industry-in-thailand/
Happened to see this when doing some routine fact checking on the latest sex trafficking claims. What unusual its usually NGO's, not expats, making such wild claims.
(his response posting dated dated March 28, 2012)
"Fair ball Shane. This is not to question the choice of a New York hooker who chooses her profession. The fact is that in Thailand 99% of the prostitutes are not even Thai, they are poor women from the border regions, country side and refugee's who have no choice. There is no 'willing partner' standard applied when one party is threatened with starvation or performing sex for a 'dominant male' who wants to exploit starving or oppressed women because he's too cheap to hire a woman in his own country who may be in a position to make a choice. I have a fellow blogger who writes very specifically on this subject from the perspective of the 'New York Hooker'. She wasn't exactly 'happy' about her choices either. You have to look into the background of women who choose prostitution. It's sad in most cases. Many people aren't aware that the sex trade in Thailand in area's like Phuket and Pattaya are dominated by violent gangsters who exploit and traffic women because of their immigration and economic status. Very sad. The children are often held for ransom in the back alley's of the bars. They have to pay or can't get their kids back. By Thai standards Phuket is the most corrupt state in Thailand. And that's a very low bar when measuring corruption in Thailand. Women who came to work complain of being threatened and coerced with violence into prostitution by police forces among others. Many prostitutes in the sex trade area's of Bangkok are either Issan tribeswomen or Burmese Karen natives running from murder and desperation in their own country. The moral choice for a western man not to entertain the thought of paying for sex with women who 'choose' between starvation, exploitation and being a 'willing partner' is not one I would wish on anyone. So. The next time a prostitute wants a john to buy her a drink. Remember that she's trying to forget what she has to do to feed her family. Not to better enjoy whats about to happen to her."He's full of it.
Paul Kausch
04-26-14, 16:10
BTW, do you think that the BKK sex industry would have a living without the two-week billionaires?Who gave the initial impetus to the industry back in the mid-1960s? There's your answer.
That's the claim by a 40 year Bangkok expat J West Hardin on his web site:
http://jwesthardin.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/some-fast-facts-about-the-sex-tourism-industry-in-thailand/
Happened to see this when doing some routine fact checking on the latest sex trafficking claims. What unusual its usually NGO's, not expats, making such wild claims.
(his response posting dated dated March 28, 2012)
"Fair ball Shane. This is not to question the choice of a New York hooker who chooses her profession. The fact is that in Thailand 99% of the prostitutes are not even Thai, they are poor women from the border regions, country side and refugee's who have no choice. There is no 'willing partner' standard applied when one party is threatened with starvation or performing sex for a 'dominant male' who wants to exploit starving or oppressed women because he's too cheap to hire a woman in his own country who may be in a position to make a choice. I have a fellow blogger who writes very specifically on this subject from the perspective of the 'New York Hooker'. She wasn't exactly 'happy' about her choices either. You have to look into the background of women who choose prostitution. It's sad in most cases. Many people aren't aware that the sex trade in Thailand in area's like Phuket and Pattaya are dominated by violent gangsters who exploit and traffic women because of their immigration and economic status. Very sad. The children are often held for ransom in the back alley's of the bars. They have to pay or can't get their kids back. By Thai standards Phuket is the most corrupt state in Thailand. And that's a very low bar when measuring corruption in Thailand. Women who came to work complain of being threatened and coerced with violence into prostitution by police forces among others. Many prostitutes in the sex trade area's of Bangkok are either Issan tribeswomen or Burmese Karen natives running from murder and desperation in their own country. The moral choice for a western man not to entertain the thought of paying for sex with women who 'choose' between starvation, exploitation and being a 'willing partner' is not one I would wish on anyone. So. The next time a prostitute wants a john to buy her a drink. Remember that she's trying to forget what she has to do to feed her family. Not to better enjoy whats about to happen to her.""Isaan tribeswomen?" Is this guy Hardin guy a complete moron or what?
The tourists and ex-pats use such a small part of the Thai sex industry that it really doesn't matter. Thai and farang operate on different markets. The high-end Thai market is generally closed to us and their low-end does not appeal to farang (if any tourist would be able to find it at all). Most of us go for the tanned Isaan girl, the mainstay of Pattaya, Nana and Soi Cowboy establishments. These are not in high demand by the Thai, as has been reported here many times. It is wrong to see the Thai sex industry as one block and even more wrong to extrapolate our "farang" experiences to the whole of the market.
Walk along the MPs of Sukhumvit Soi 23. Do you see these massage girls call after Thai men? None do. It is not their market.Indeed I think that the Thai-only-sex-industry is detached from the farang, be them expats or tourist, cheap Charlie's or two week billionaires. Still I think that without the two week billionaires, in whatever percentage, the expats claiming about other guys ruining the market by what they pay, would not have access to the P4P as it would be limited to Thai only area of the business.
Same as someone said. As in Japan.
That's the claim by a 40 year Bangkok expat J West Hardin on his web site:
http://jwesthardin.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/some-fast-facts-about-the-sex-tourism-industry-in-thailand/
Happened to see this when doing some routine fact checking on the latest sex trafficking claims. What unusual its usually NGO's, not expats, making such wild claims.
(his response posting dated dated March 28, 2012)
"Fair ball Shane. This is not to question the choice of a New York hooker who chooses her profession. The fact is that in Thailand 99% of the prostitutes are not even Thai, they are poor women from the border regions, country side and refugee's who have no choice. There is no 'willing partner' standard applied when one party is threatened with starvation or performing sex for a 'dominant male' who wants to exploit starving or oppressed women because he's too cheap to hire a woman in his own country who may be in a position to make a choice. I have a fellow blogger who writes very specifically on this subject from the perspective of the 'New York Hooker'. She wasn't exactly 'happy' about her choices either. You have to look into the background of women who choose prostitution. It's sad in most cases. Many people aren't aware that the sex trade in Thailand in area's like Phuket and Pattaya are dominated by violent gangsters who exploit and traffic women because of their immigration and economic status. Very sad. The children are often held for ransom in the back alley's of the bars. They have to pay or can't get their kids back. By Thai standards Phuket is the most corrupt state in Thailand. And that's a very low bar when measuring corruption in Thailand. Women who came to work complain of being threatened and coerced with violence into prostitution by police forces among others. Many prostitutes in the sex trade area's of Bangkok are either Issan tribeswomen or Burmese Karen natives running from murder and desperation in their own country. The moral choice for a western man not to entertain the thought of paying for sex with women who 'choose' between starvation, exploitation and being a 'willing partner' is not one I would wish on anyone. So. The next time a prostitute wants a john to buy her a drink. Remember that she's trying to forget what she has to do to feed her family. Not to better enjoy whats about to happen to her."Think I saw this same guy or probably girl on a different board writing this same nonsense.
That time he / she was in Angeles City and instead of buying sex, he gave his money to charities to fight [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).
By his writings it is obvious this person has been to neither.
Just someone with an agenda.
That is what he reported.
So it looks terms were really set and clear in advance: services and rewards.I indeed gave clear terms to the psycho. I am a little surprised the responses on this issue are not focused on the death threats and crazy behavior. Maybe everyone go through this, part of the P4P package?
Looking back, and looking forward I will more thoroughly challenge the comments from the girl when she first mentions running away from round 2. Would have been better if I discovered she had no intent to do round 2 and invited her to leave prior to sleep. Pay more attention to the red flags, address them immediately.
Traveler1234
04-26-14, 23:47
Arrived just Sat noontime from states and met up with Yin (not her real name) at hotel. Originally had booked from bamboo but decided to see what was available via CL. Note. This is first time for me, LOL. Never used on-line sites in all my years.
Exchanged a series of emails prior to meet up, full disclosure on services, prices and multiple pictures. The person that showed up at my door was somewhat a surprise, in a pleasant way. First, not 27 yrs old but 33 (asked for copy of her I'd, took photo just in case of any problems). She looked exactly like her pix, down to tattoo and large nipples. But much more petite than envisioned. And she spoke surprising good English. We had nice chat, showered, solid session. Everything earlier offered was provided. She even got her rocks off twice.
I was tired so she left after 2 hrs and we agreed for her to come back, maybe overnight another time. I jokingly asked her if she wouldn't mind sharing her contacts with others?"Sure, no problem". She is creating website so will post later and it includes pricing, etc. As usual, YMMV.
I indeed gave clear terms to the psycho. I am a little surprised the responses on this issue are not focused on the death threats and crazy behavior. Maybe everyone go through this, part of the P4P package?
Looking back, and looking forward I will more thoroughly challenge the comments from the girl when she first mentions running away from round 2. Would have been better if I discovered she had no intent to do round 2 and invited her to leave prior to sleep. Pay more attention to the red flags, address them immediately.Seems the only thing many of them hear is the price agreed upon. They expect that money whether they deliver the agreed upon service or not and I am just not willing to put up with that. It is one reason I only hit oilies these days. I expect GFE or PSE out of every encounter. On the rare occasion I take a non-oily girl I make it known to them that I expect to have sex like in a "sex movie" or like they are with their boyfriend. All agree, but I found very few that actually deliver these days.
Paul Kausch
04-27-14, 03:29
They expect that money whether they deliver the agreed upon service or not and I am just not willing to put up with that. It is one reason I only hit oilies these days.I came to this same conclusion some time ago. My experience with gogo and bar girls, and FLs is that they are a crap shoot. Performance runs from poor to good. And not very often the later. Some of the ladies with whom I've had the best "chemistry" turned out to be among the worst performers. With the oilies the performance has run from at least average to excellent. I've also had good experience with the escorts. The ones I've been with run from good to excellent. Of course considering the cost I expect at least good service. I think the MP girls offer the best quality for the price. I've had some great times with the good MP girls on overnight outcalls. I'm particular ill-disposed towards the gogo girls. Between the overpriced lousy drinks, lady drinks, BF and fee for the lady, they are one of the worst deals in town. I'd rather have a good session with an MP and then go somewhere nice for a drink. I now only go to the gogos to ogle at the naked (or nearly so) ladies, and of course enjoy the excellent music. LOL
I came to this same conclusion some time ago. My experience with gogo and bar girls, and FLs is that they are a crap shoot. Performance runs from poor to good. And not very often the later. Some of the ladies with whom I've had the best "chemistry" turned out to be among the worst performers. With the oilies the performance has run from at least average to excellent. I've also had good experience with the escorts. The ones I've been with run from good to excellent. Of course considering the cost I expect at least good service. I think the MP girls offer the best quality for the price. I've had some great times with the good MP girls on overnight outcalls. I'm particular ill-disposed towards the gogo girls. Between the overpriced lousy drinks, lady drinks, BF and fee for the lady, they are one of the worst deals in town. I'd rather have a good session with an MP and then go somewhere nice for a drink. I now only go to the gogos to ogle at the naked (or nearly so) ladies, and of course enjoy the excellent music. LOLI am the same way with the go go's. I use them as foreplay. When I go, I go when it's happy hour or drink specials. I don't indulge in lady drinks.
I have numbers of ladys in my phone I know give good service that I call upon. Every now and then I add a new one.
If you insist on having sex with the most beautiful girl in LOS, you will always be rolling the dice on service and paying the high prices for it. That is why I hang at the cheap charlie bars for most of my drinking and call a lady when I need it.
FruitNinja
04-27-14, 05:51
Seems the only thing many of them hear is the price agreed upon. They expect that money whether they deliver the agreed upon service or not and I am just not willing to put up with that. It is one reason I only hit oilies these days. I expect GFE or PSE out of every encounter. On the rare occasion I take a non-oily girl I make it known to them that I expect to have sex like in a "sex movie" or like they are with their boyfriend. All agree, but I found very few that actually deliver these days.I'll have to agree with you and Paul on the gogo bar girls. I've had some terrible experiences. If I find a good performer I try to hold on to her. If she's good the first time it only gets better. But as much of a pain in the ass they are sometimes I feel like a moth and a bright light.
I've also learned to say "get out." And I don't give them a penny. I booted two in the Phils. We were supposed to do a threesome and everything was a go at the bar. Back in my room they get naked, I get in bed, the one starts blowing me while the other is rubbing my nuts. I motion for the other one and she's reluctant, I am firm and she agrees, runs to the bathroom wets a washcloth and comes back. She wants to clean off my dick because her friend was just blowing me. Ohh this is really going to work. NOT! I stand up, put my pants back on and point to the door. Back out to Burgos and before I could get into a bar a little street cutie grabs me. Back to the room and had a great time.
Best tattoo ever. HA!
So where does the Thai men do their mongering? Where is the upscale market? If the Thai men don't like the Isaan ladies what type of girls do they pick?
/Kirsia.
The tourists and ex-pats use such a small part of the Thai sex industry that it really doesn't matter. Thai and farang operate on different markets. The high-end Thai market is generally closed to us and their low-end does not appeal to farang (if any tourist would be able to find it at all). Most of us go for the tanned Isaan girl, the mainstay of Pattaya, Nana and Soi Cowboy establishments. These are not in high demand by the Thai, as has been reported here many times. It is wrong to see the Thai sex industry as one block and even more wrong to extrapolate our "farang" experiences to the whole of the market.
Walk along the MPs of Sukhumvit Soi 23. Do you see these massage girls call after Thai men? None do. It is not their market.
Performance runs from poor to good. And not very often the later. Some of the ladies with whom I've had the best "chemistry" turned out to be among the worst performers. With the oilies the performance has run from at least average to excellent.Can't agree with this one. A lady is of course limited by her abilities regardless of chemistry, but with good chemistry I generally get a better performance, providing she is not drunk or has some other problem. Is not likely to get a great GFE performance from a girl that doesn't like you. If you are talking PSE, that could be different.
I think the MP girls offer the best quality for the price. I've had some great times with the good MP girls on overnight outcalls. I'm particular ill-disposed towards the gogo girls. Between the overpriced lousy drinks, lady drinks, BF and fee for the lady, they are one of the worst deals in town. I'd rather have a good session with an MP and then go somewhere nice for a drink. I now only go to the gogos to ogle at the naked (or nearly so) ladies, and of course enjoy the excellent music. LOLMP girls are hit and miss just the same. There are some superstars and there are some very ordinary girls. You have far less opportunity to check the chemistry and make sure you got the right one. This makes it more of a crap shoot.
Why complain that a bargirl ends up costing more when you are prepared to pay for escorts. I happen to a couple of excellent bargirls for non-PSE rather GFE style. Also there are several girls at Suzi Wong that are enjoyable in a 2 girl setup. Right now my list of regular MP girls has got fairly short. This is probably an anomaly with several disappearing in the same period. Its hard to find really great MP girls whose looks are good enough for me.
The bar has several advantages for me when considering new girls. 1. Large set of girls to select from. I try to overcome this at MPs by visiting several near each other to try to find a girl that appeals. 2. I get to see the girls naked. No surprises. I can make sure the bottom is perfection, nice waist, acceptable tits. 3. I get plenty of time to check chemistry with girls and find out if they are really a nice fun girl or a bad girl or just money oriented.
Overall its just a case of collecting girls that have something special that attracts me to come back. No need to rule out bargirls as a source. Some girls with something special exist.
I do agree that in Crazy House bar, its mostly ogle, which gets boring quite quickly. Its tricky to find the right girl there. I have decided on May who has a super body, but due to circumstances of me having to leave, or having already had a session, or her being missing, or already with a customer, I did not get a chance yet.
That's the claim by a 40 year Bangkok expat J West Hardin on his web site:
http://jwesthardin.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/some-fast-facts-about-the-sex-tourism-industry-in-thailand/
(his response posting dated dated March 28, 2012)
". The fact is that in Thailand 99% of the prostitutes are not even Thai,."I could quote on this forum someone else's religious crap-trap from somewhere else, that was not my own experience, nor even an opinion I agreed with. However what would be the point?
On a further silly note, one could say that many are not central Thai and may speak a dialect.
Paul Kausch
04-27-14, 07:07
Can't agree with this one.Then you and I have had very different experiences.
I enjoy a PSE and a GFE. I don't swim against the current. If I don't know the lady, I figure out as quickly as possible which way she is more inclined, and I go that way. If I'm in the mood for a PSE and end up with a girl who seems more GFE I may test how far she's willing to go; but I won't force anything on her. Frankly, a lady doesn't even have to have a lot of experience for me to have fun with her. I know how to coax good sex out of a willing but inexperienced woman. Fiona, who I reported on in January is a good example. There's an old saying,"There is no such thing as a frigid woman, just a clumsy man."
Over many years I've never had a session with an MP girl I would describe as below average. My approach has always been to pick girls whose reputation I know something about or to read their faces and body language to determine which girls are interested in going with me. I find the same skills I used as a young man to select which girls to target for picking up in the bars come in handy. Sometimes the lady appears to be eager but turns out to be only average. But often enough I'm able to make a good choice.
I've had good sex with gogo bar girls with whom I had good chemistry with in the bar. I suspect these are girls who are looking for one guy that night and when I prove to be fun, they take their time and have fun with me. I've also BFed girls who were a lot of fun and showed great promise in the bar only to have them become very mechanical and rushed when the sex started. This is what I consider bad sex. I actually think these are the smarter ladies; they read ISG; get a kick out of the "chemistry" nonsense some guys write about ;) and figure out that is a good way to hook more customers. They're motivated to sell, but not to perform. Their goal is maximum volume in minimal time. (While the MP girls are with you for a set amount of time.) The gogo girls work just like the typical prostitute here in the USA. Experienced strippers in clubs in the USA are also very skilled at this. They're good at coming on to you on the floor; and they may give you a great lap dance, but that is just to get you into a private room for the half hour that lasts 15 minutes. Then they're done with you and ready to resume their hunt. They've got to make enough to pay the dancer's fee to the club and enough extra for themselves.
I think the gogo girls and MP girls are totally different creatures. I know good escort agencies don't want to hire girls who have worked in gogo bars or MPs. Ladies gravitate to the segments of the P4P industry they're best suited to.
I've also had real girlfriends who were great fun but not great fucks. And as I've mentioned several times, my ex and I reached the point were we constantly fought, but still had great sex.
Paul Kausch
04-27-14, 07:18
Why complain that a bargirl ends up costing more when you are prepared to pay for escorts.Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was comparing the bar girls to the MP girls. I book an escort because she speaks English well, shows up for the date well-dressed and very put together, knows how to conduct herself in social situations; and she offers good to great sex. I like some of the MP girls for outcall. The better ones are a good alternative to an escort.
If I lived in Bangkok or spent a lot of time there, and especially if I spoke decent Thai I expect I'd cultivate relationships with good bar girls and have a very different opinion. I have met some bar girls whom I quite liked. I just haven't met that many of them.
Paul Kausch
04-27-14, 07:21
I get to see the girls naked. No surprises. I can make sure the bottom is perfection, nice waist, acceptable tits.Perhaps because I'm such an old fart, I'm so happy to have an opportunity to grope a girl one-third my age that I overlook a few imperfections. ;)
Traveler1234
04-27-14, 08:43
So met #2 of my craigslist girls just now. Let's just say I couldn't finish fast enough, and kicked her out.
For those who pm me for #1 contacts, her website is up and I will post on classified ad thread.
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was comparing the bar girls to the MP girls. I book an escort because she speaks English well, shows up for the date well-dressed and very put together, knows how to conduct herself in social situations; and she offers good to great sex. I like some of the MP girls for outcall. The better ones are a good alternative to an escort.
If I lived in Bangkok or spent a lot of time there, and especially if I spoke decent Thai I expect I'd cultivate relationships with good bar girls and have a very different opinion. I have met some bar girls whom I quite liked. I just haven't met that many of them.Yes okay I haven't met that many MP girls good enough to bother with outcall either. In the old days I used to take Soapy girls for unofficial outcall all night or sometimes even several days. This was good because they would not tell the shop anything other than away sick. You then were only paying the girl. I don't really do it any more.
Oily MP girls are problematic for outcall, because you have to figure out how much is the shops cut, and then how much tip is needed for the girl. No point unless she is really hot and really worth it. Its much simpler to take a bargirl for the whole night. Its simply a case of reaching a good understanding. I never do it if I don't know the girl well, I. E. Always ST first up and then consider extending if agreeable to all parties.
Yes it must help being able to speak Thai. Also I am very well known in certain bars. The staff can be helpful then with information about various girls.
The very best bar girls have no difficulty in getting plenty of STs or LTs as they desire. So I always collect phone numbers and ring to book them ahead. The No. 1 girl in Suzie Wong, Noo Dee is very hard to get to without pre-bookings or get extremely lucky. The No. 1 girl in Doll House Noi is not quite as heavily booked but comes close. I have been struggling to get to May in Crazy House, so I am guessing she has quickly become very popular and booked up. She seems to be missing a lot, even on a Saturday night. The No. 1 girl pointed out to me in Baccara some time back was not even slightly interesting to my taste. Definitely must have been a Japanese frequent pick. There is only one girl I like at Long Gun, and probably not to everyone's taste as brown skinned and slightly broad nose (actually she is not from Isaan LOL). I like just one girl in Spankies, and have not found anyone else worth repeating in Nana recently. So I am agreeing that really great girls for looks and fun are a bit scarce in the bars. Moderate looks and fun, can find several in Suzie Wong alone.
The very best looking girls in Soapies can be very difficult to get to as well (pre-bookings) and in very high price brackets. In Oilies the very best looking girls hardly exist at all. Gaew is gone from Pink now, and Bai Fern did not last long at Yoremichi, and Angie did not stay long at Cherry. Was disappointing to lose June and Bo (Cherry) recently too. I have met a few reasonably nice looking girls in Soi 24/1 recently, but nothing in the really top bracket for both face and body. I will keep trying.
I think I understand that most guys in Oilies, are accepting looks that are just not good enough for me. Its a lot easier to sit in a bar and spend time deciding if a girl is right than to do it in an Oily. You are expected to choose a girl without delay. That is sort of intolerable to me. At least at Soapies you can sit and stew over the line up for a long time, and even call girls over for a drink first.
The discussion about each person, got me thinking about how I have changed my search style over the past few years. I was a die hard Gogo guy, but enjoyed the massage experience as well. I have never had an escort agency girl in Bangkok. So cannot speak to that. I am finding that I do not enjoy the Gogo's, mostly because of what I perceive as a bad attitiude, so the Mp's are getting more of my business these days. The comments are spot on. Massage girls tend to be a little warmer IMHO, plus they know how / where to touch a man.
The best night I have ever experienced in BKK is still a night at a G club, which I cannot remember the name, but I remember everything about the girl. I was shocked when she asked if I would wait for her to finish work, so she could go home with me. She is probably one of the 10 most beautiful girls I have ever been with, but made love like an ugly girl trying to make sure you asked out again. Whew. Unfortunately it was to be only one night. She has long since changed her number and I suspect is some lucky guy's full time companion.
Anyway, my question to the board since I cannot send PM's to a couple of you is this.
I am coming to BKK next month for a few days. I would really like to find a pretty, sexy FL between the ages of 27-35 or so for multiple encounters during those days. I didn't realize that massage girls are allowed to leave the shop, but that takes a few visits I suspect.
I am open to suggestions of where the most likely places to meet this "type". Not looking for a Nana Plaza SW type, but more of then FL as opposed to a Gogo girl.
In the FWIW category, I did read the forum a while back, and saw the review of the Bier Garden, still not sure what time of day would lend itself to pulling the best catch from there.
TIA, and I appreciate the response to my hotel inquiry. It helped me make my decision.
Sky
The discussion about each person, got me thinking about how I have changed my search style over the past few years. I was a die hard Gogo guy, but enjoyed the massage experience as well. I have never had an escort agency girl in Bangkok.
SkyIf we make a very strong and basic generalization, oilie and soapie girls perform through their body, and servicing. That is where they main skills are and that is why one goes there. Not for the eye candy, not for the drinks, not for the music or the ambiance.
Whereas gogo girls, IMHO, are there to "entertain" with their beauty and presence. Watching other girls, etc. This is why they also get money through LD: they spend time with you and must see it rewarded.
The material world we live in then transforms this entertainment into "will you barfine me?" quick question at the first LD. To the happiness of the bar as anyhow, on principle, it has far more girls than customers, and it earns, through the BF, more than the revenue from drinks, in a comparable period of time.
On the other hand, whilst it is in the menu, I don't think oilies are happy of LT take aways of their girls as diminishes the work force.
A bit easier in those soapies where the line up or fishbowl usually sees at least 15/20 girls at the other side of the "mirror", so 2-3 being away, if they are not the top girls, is not a drama.
This is why there are more starfish or disappointments from gogo girls than oilie girls.
A non well performing olie girl will not survive long in the MP.
In the FWIW category, I did read the forum a while back, and saw the review of the Bier Garden, still not sure what time of day would lend itself to pulling the best catch from there.
SkyBeergarden is hit and miss. You have more choice in the evening but also more punters taking the girls away at that time.
I have seen good ones also at 2pm.
Let's say Beergarden or Gulliver are a sort of FL market with a possibility to check potential chemistry, far better than picking up a girl from the street, where you seal the deal in 50" unless you stare at the girl, from somewhere like a weirdo and check on her (but still not talk to her).
At BG you can share a drink or two together and then part way if you don't feel she is ok for you.
Same as in a normal bar, but her drinks are not called LD and there is no BF.
Paul Kausch
04-27-14, 17:31
I am coming to BKK next month for a few days. I would really like to find a pretty, sexy FL between the ages of 27-35 or so for multiple encounters during those days. I didn't realize that massage girls are allowed to leave the shop, but that takes a few visits I suspect.
I am open to suggestions of where the most likely places to meet this "type". Not looking for a Nana Plaza SW type, but more of then FL as opposed to a Gogo girl.
In the FWIW category, I did read the forum a while back, and saw the review of the Bier Garden, still not sure what time of day would lend itself to pulling the best catch from there.
SkyMany of the oily massage parlors who cater to farangs offer outcall. Many of these offer overnight outcall. No special relationship with the venue or the ladies is required. First time customers are welcome. Different MPs have different policies. At Bamboo the girl may leave at 9pm and stay with you until the next morning. At Annie's and the Dr. BJ establishments the outcall starts at 4-5pm; the girl will say with you until the next morning and may stay with you until she has to be at work, which may not be until late afternoon. There should be no problem booking her for several days if you like her. If my first outcall with a lady goes well I will often book a repeat. I often find the repeat is even better. I believe the ladies appreciate that you want to be with them again.
Ladies can also be found in the various bars around lower Sukhumvit. Bier Garten is one popular venue. Much is written about it on ISG. At one time Gulliver's on Soi 5 was also popular. Some of the ladies you meet in these venues would be interested in a long term engagement.
A third option is to search Thai dating websites like Thai Love Links. I know people who have had success finding attractive ladies on these websites. I haven't used them. I'm too lazy to spend time finding a lady, getting to know her, confirming that she is as she represents herself, etcetera. You can find pros, semi-pros and non-pros on these websites.
Escort agencies also offer ladies for multiple day bookings. Though many give a price break for long bookings, this is still an expensive option.
If we make a very strong and basic generalization, oilie and soapie girls perform through their body, and servicing. That is where they main skills are and that is why one goes there. Not for the eye candy, not for the drinks, not for the music or the ambiance.Not sure that you really meant it that way. I mean how would you choose a Soapy girl, if eye-candy was not an aspect. Okay she is not nude, but she still has to have something in the look. I prefer to see girls standing up. Its very hard to asses the figure of a seated clothed girl, especially when you are a man like me who likes a hot ass.
Not sure that you really meant it that way. I mean how would you choose a Soapy girl, if eye-candy was not an aspect. Okay she is not nude, but she still has to have something in the look. I prefer to see girls standing up. Its very hard to asses the figure of a seated clothed girl, especially when you are a man like me who likes a hot ass.I referred to Sky rider opinion, saying (in brief) girls from oilies give a better performance vs. Girls from gogo's.
Wasnt talking about beauty by it self.
I am of a similar opinion, and I can summarize with my generalization:
Gogo's girls are primarly Eye-candy, then Entertaining (as bar hostess) and eventually bed companions.
Girls from MP's have to win customers with (sex) performances, mainly.
This is also why there are so many reports on specific MP girls (and recommendations) rather than on specific gogo girls (often repeated when they don't perform.)
But, mind you, this is a short word judgement, not a word of law.
What time does Nana and Soi Cowboy bars, etc close on a weeknight? Weekend? Thanks.
I mean how would you choose a Soapy girl, if eye-candy was not an aspect.By the aspect of how your viagra / cialis is firing? It takes a certain kind of girl who prefers to go flat backed all day with all comers, just like it takes a certain kind of guy who prefers this type of experience. To each their own.
What time does Nana and Soi Cowboy bars, etc close on a weeknight? Weekend? Thanks.2 a. M, the time when most of the girls of the gogo's become FL!
But perhaps the biggest surprise of my trip, price wise, occured in Phnom Penh. I can still recall shagging really pretty little Khmer girls all night for $20 to $30 total as late as 2009. This year I found, however, that all the bar girls I wanted to have sex with were all on mens, ha ha ha and the ones I wouldn't shag for free were available for $30 to $40 ST. No thank you! So I migrated upscale to Darling Bar at the Naga World were I found plenty of ready and willing high quality Khmers for, wait for it, $100 / night. Unbelievable, but true and guess what, I paid up for it because I wanted the quality and didn't want to settle for less. Again, just my opinion, but it was worth it.OMG! I, too, remember the $20 per night ladies. It wasn't that long ago.
Have the rich Chinese tourists really pushed prices up that high? $100 in Cambodia is still a lot of money. That's insane.
I take your point that its all situational. Australia has some of the highest wages for the ordinary workers with correspondingly high living costs so its cheaper for us vacation in SEA than out home country sadly enough and that goes for those working for minimum wage at McDonalds. Not sure about Mexico but if I was living in the US then DR and the rest of SA would be an option. As I alluded to its not just the cost of chicas but also hotels and alcohol which are factors into making a location a prime mongering destination. Also I think Americans also get only two week vacation time so spending all that time traveling cuts into valauble mongering time too.
BTW Are you referring to $200 / an hour for a girl in Thailand? No doubt they exist but I pay 1900 baht at an MP for 1. 5 hours which would cost me maybe USD250 in Sydney so its a bargain.Yes, the massage places are the bargains. The service tends to be much better, too.
My off-the-cuff example goes like this: It seems most of the Thai go-go scene has "degenerated" into short-time encounters. Short time used to be around 3 hours, but is now an hour, or so, from what I understand. Prices vary, but top-notch go-go girls go for 3, 000. 4,000 for a short time encounter. So that, coupled with the bar fine (600 and up) , a couple of lady drinks (150 each, minimum) , plus a couple of drinks for yourself, and you're knocking on the door of $200. IMHO, a go-go is very poor value for money these days, but many still go to BKK for them.
I think I understand that most guys in Oilies, are accepting looks that are just not good enough for me. Its a lot easier to sit in a bar and spend time deciding if a girl is right than to do it in an Oily. You are expected to choose a girl without delay. That is sort of intolerable to me. At least at Soapies you can sit and stew over the line up for a long time, and even call girls over for a drink first.Damn, folks are so different. I really don't want interaction before I choose. Interviewing the girl, engaging in idle chat, etc. Is just not what I am interested in. Modus operandi is pick the girl and have at it. I have a GF and love interacting with her, but hey, when out for a session, I am out for a session. That is why I read the forum and listen to friend's recommendations. My issue with Soapies is I want a PSE and a very well developed skill set. With a great BJ, rimming, and intensity a given. I don't want to ask or negotiate. Even if a gal is a 10 in my book, if that is not on the menu, I am not interested. Give me a 7 that can make me blow twice in a hour any day. I have found skill sets to be very unpredictable in Soapies. Sadly this is also becoming the case in some oilies. The gals are just not getting proper training. They really should be guided for few sessions by a good mentor. In fact, this used to be the case. What made Baron's and Tulip so amazing was you knew you were getting a gal who knew her way around the male anatomy.
Believe me, if there was a Soapy that provided PSE service across the board, I would be there. Nothing would make me happier then to find a place with great looking gals who provided PSE. Sadly guys tend to lower their performance standards if the gal really good looking and of course, lookers know they can get away with less.
Yes, the massage places are the bargains. The service tends to be much better, too.
My off-the-cuff example goes like this: It seems most of the Thai go-go scene has "degenerated" into short-time encounters. Short time used to be around 3 hours, but is now an hour, or so, from what I understand. Prices vary, but top-notch go-go girls go for 3, 000. 4,000 for a short time encounter. So that, coupled with the bar fine (600 and up) , a couple of lady drinks (150 each, minimum) , plus a couple of drinks for yourself, and you're knocking on the door of $200. IMHO, a go-go is very poor value for money these days, but many still go to BKK for them.It really has gotten crazy expensive. Even a tamada gal will want 1500 to 2k. So you are looking at 150 USD. Contrast this with 1k plus 500 baht BK, not that long ago, Add in a couple of drinks at 100 baht and at the 40 to 1 exchange rate you were looking at 50 USD. And across the board service was better and so were attitudes. Just don't get dropping 3 to 4 times the money for less service.
Used to be a huge GoGo guy. Was in Cowboy or Nana 3 to 4 times a week for 7 or 8 years (between 99 and 07). Had so much fun at Rainbow 1, Long Gun and the old Midnight Bar. When the Arab bought Midnight it was the beginning of the end for me in Cowboy. Now it is neon, tourists gawking (and I don't mean sex tourists) , coyote girls (I mean really WTF?) , etc. It is really more of a spectacle than an area where guys go to BF girls. I think the key element that bothers us old timers is that it is just not "fun" anymore. It is what we talk about most when reminiscing about our tenure here. Lower Sukhumvit was a very fun area. The face of tourism has changed. It is no longer mainly Western dudes with a bit of means coming to have a good time. In fact, they are in the minority. The streets are clogged with a pretty unsavory demographic. Just take a look on the steps outside the 7-11 on the corner of Soi 13. Full of Africans selling drugs. Ladyboys abound outside Sofitel's Asian flagship hotel. I would really like to see the area cleaned up. And I can't help but think at some point it will. What was once charmingly sleazy is now just ugly. With new properties like Hyde opening, maybe there is hope.
I just can't be bothered with GoGos. If I want to drink with friends, we go to places with good beer and liquor. If I want to look at women, I go to a mall on the weekend. If I want a session it is an oily.
OMG! I, too, remember the $20 per night ladies. It wasn't that long ago.
Have the rich Chinese tourists really pushed prices up that high? $100 in Cambodia is still a lot of money. That's insane.All night was 20 USD at Martinis or Sharkys. ST was 10 bucks. And both places were filled with Viet girls. 15 years ago Khmer working girls were in the minority. In fact, there were very few of them. One went to PP to shag white skinned Viet girls. Most all were very good performers as well. Lots of wonderful aggression during the act. Far more physical than most Thai or Khmer gals. PP lost its appeal for me when they kicked most of the Viets out.
2 a. M, the time when most of the girls of the gogo's become FL!This used to really be the case. Standing outside Cowboy or Nana about 215-230 was unreal. You would be approached by countless girls."Go with you." Now, they seem far more interested in going to drink and eat with their friends. Shows just how much money they are making.
FruitNinja
04-28-14, 06:11
Girl from Bacarra sent me this a few minutes ago. Anyone know if this is now or from before.
This used to really be the case. Standing outside Cowboy or Nana about 215-230 was unreal. You would be approached by countless girls."Go with you." Now, they seem far more interested in going to drink and eat with their friends. Shows just how much money they are making.Years ago at closing time many of the Nana girls would simply move to Nana carpark, the Grace, the Thermae, etc. Then no BF. These days the Thermae seems to close at 2AM. Times have changed. Obviously some girls absolutely have to get money and cannot go home till they do. A street girl other night very late offered me sex for 500. She was average looking so I guess doable for some. Face not great. Had clothes on so I could not see the body properly. LOL.
It's only a small percentage that are making good money. Its a pitiful scene at Soi 23 at 2 to 3 AM. Girls can hardly walk. Too drunk and too tired to seriously attract a customer. Many are picked up by Thai guys on motorbikes. Some live far away like Don Meuang or Minburi, some a bit closer On Nut or Ratchada. Many girls are sleeping upstairs in the bar for the night, as they did not make any money and cannot afford to travel backward and forward every night. Some cannot afford to rent a room. Its common for several girls to share a room somewhere too.
In times not long gone, a lot of girls have been habitual hooked on Ice. The bar had to ban this and any girl caught using would be fired. So now its simply back to being drunk on tequilas or Thai whiskey like Saeng Som. I don't perform when drunk and I find Thai girls don't perform well when drunk either (perhaps some exceptions go wild in bed but that is usually when just a small amount of alcohol). Thai girls often get drunk quite easily. So don't overdo the "leg openers". They are already open. LOL.
The No. 1 girl in Suzi Wong is smart. Her room is only a few hundred metres from Cowboy. She can afford a room easily as is making big money. Doesn't drink alcohol. Has her head screwed on the right way alright. I was staying at Admiral Premier so she could walk over to my Hotel for a swim in the pool. Actually she can't swim very well but likes to play in the water in this hot weather.
Girl from Bacarra sent me this a few minutes ago. Anyone know if this is now or from before.Seems to have been this morning. Either Bacarra on fire or right above my favourite hamburger stand. Seems was not too serious.
Not that far in past Rawhide I believe was burnt fairly seriously.
I haven't seen the fire show recently. I wonder has it been discontinued at Rawhide and Suzi W?
Paul Kausch
04-28-14, 08:14
Girl from Bacarra sent me this a few minutes ago. Anyone know if this is now or from before.Read a statement on a blog posted at 8:42am BKK time that there was a fire there overnight. No other information.
Western787
04-28-14, 12:22
Not sure that you really meant it that way. I mean how would you choose a Soapy girl, if eye-candy was not an aspect. Okay she is not nude, but she still has to have something in the look. I prefer to see girls standing up. Its very hard to asses the figure of a seated clothed girl, especially when you are a man like me who likes a hot ass.Soapies like Poseidon, La Belle, The Lord or wherever are just not designed for someone dropping by(even after buying a drink) just to watch eye candy. Yes, a quick check of fishbowls you can get away with (Emannuelle not bad for that) but its not like Go Go's where just buying a drink and enjoying the nude women dancing is acceptable on a repetitive basis night after night basis.
So in that sense, Go Go's are an entertainment bargain, and if you can't afford lets say a Rainbow dancer, you can just pickup a FL for 1/2 the price in NPL.
Right now 6. 30 pm all the furniture is out of Baccara out front to de smokify it I guess. Burn hole in the canopy up top. I don't think too serious looks from outside.
My hamburger stand was not affected.
Western787
04-28-14, 12:58
Years ago at closing time many of the Nana girls would simply move to Nana carpark, the Grace, the Thermae, etc. Then no BF. These days the Thermae seems to close at 2AM. Times have changed. Obviously some girls absolutely have to get money and cannot go home till they do. A street girl other night very late offered me sex for 500. She was average looking so I guess doable for some. Face not great. Had clothes on so I could not see the body properly. LOL.
It's only a small percentage that are making good money.Http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=74
True, only a small percent make good money, but for those 5% or whatever number it can be an obscene amount, particularly those with guys mailing them money and those having regulars outside the Go Go's
Beyond that one might ask in regard to the 95%, then why is NPL not loaded with go go girls after 2 pm? Why is NPL overall probably half as busy late night and early AM (even adjusted for lost high season etc) as it was 5 to 10 years back?
I am thinking this is what (relative) affluence does, and Bangkok has been at virtually full employment for a few years now, unlike in prior years. While they don't pay much, (non sex) jobs are plentiful. So not much wory about the having the basics in life to get by. That fear factor is gone. So unless a girl really wants the big bucks, she will just be happy with being part of the 95% low to mid wage sex worker types, so NPL they just skip.
I now hear the entire upstairs part is blackened. No one was present when electrical fault set it off. So may have taken time to be detected.
Soapies like Poseidon, La Belle, The Lord or wherever are just not designed for someone dropping by(even after buying a drink) just to watch eye candy. Yes, a quick check of fishbowls you can get away with (Emannuelle not bad for that) .Of course no goes to a Soapy JUST only to ogle. However I like the girl chosen to be eye-candy to my taste. I don't choose an ugly or dumpy girl with expectation she must be good to make up for lack of looks.
You may not understand. In most Soapies, you can sit with a drink looking for a very very long time, before making a decision. I was never asked to leave. Some Soapies have tables and chairs expressly for sitting drinking. E. G. Amsterdam. Some will give you a menu and allow you to order food. While eating you might suddenly spot the girl of your dreams arrive to the girl seating area. Then quickly you can call her over for a drink, and subsequently decide if you want to take her upstairs for the bath etc. Or offer her something to eat should she wish. La Belle and Utopia are soapies where customers commonly call girls out to sit with them for a drink first.
At Tarawadee, you could sit eating and drinking and never ever select a girl. It just depends on the way the place is set up.
I have years of experience of sitting outside Chao Praya II fishbowl eating and drinking and eventually selecting my next girl. Could easily have been 2 hours after I came down from going with a previous girl.
Despite what others report, I have sat at the bar for a while with a drink at Annies, as long as it was clear I have the intention to make a booking in due course. However the problem at Annies is that girls do not sit in the fishbowl all the time. They ring the bell to call girls to the viewing area. This doesn't happen at other real Soapies. I rate Annies as a strange cross between a Soapy and an Oily MP, in method of operation, even if there is no oil massage. The key thing about soapies is you have immense time to make your girl choice including waiting to see which girls come out from prior bookings.
At Eden, unfortunately it is a place where you are expected to choose from the lineup almost immediately and there is no chance to speak to the girls and ask anything at all, not even their names. This is one reason, I would not go there again, apart from not being impressed by the girls looks or acting talents. I like Oilies with girls sitting outside. Its possible to have a very brief conversation with them before entering and making a selection. You can at least make a joke or two and judge from reactions who is in a good mood. At least in Oilies you get a little more time to choose while the girls state their names.
Pro Fesseur
04-28-14, 18:09
Probably 20 years ago they were even cheaper and I can't imagine what a bargain it was 30 years ago.
BTW, do you think that the BKK sex industry would have a living without the two-week billionaires? Do you think the expats can sustain the industry? Just asking as this debate pops up every now and then and there is never a real answer but the moaning that the tourists are ruining the prices.
Probably without the tourists the scene would not even be opened to non-Thai and the expats or (the price) hardcore not allowed to even glimpse at the P4P girls.
The Bangkok sex industry is not limited to the establishments that cater mostly to foreigners (and preferably, the most gullible ones). Actually, I wouldn't regret most of these venues (especially the go-go bars) if they were disappearing tomorrow, because they have now become outrageous ripoffs where only people who have more money than sense can get satisfaction without noticing how their owners and service providers are taking them for ignorant fools!
As another ISG member has already written it, the profit margins are (outrageously) high in the P4P establisments located in popular tourist areas. Moreover, the prices have increased at a much higher pace than how prices have in Thai venues, especially since year 2008.
In Thai venues, the prices have increased and still fluctuate (more or less) following the evolution of the local average monthly income in all kinds of establishments (cheap brothels, karaoke joints and massage parlors of all sorts, etc.). If, for instance, one prestation in a specific establishment amounted about 15% of the Thai average monthly income ten years ago (6754 baht in 2004), then, it usually still costs about 15% of the current Thai average monthly income nowadays (12163 baht for the most recent data for the last quarter of 2013) and the quality of said prestation has not declined in the meanwhile.
Source for Thai monthly average income: http://www.bot.or.th/English/Statistics/Standard/SDDS/Pages/sdds.aspx
Alas, that's not the same story when you check the price history in most tourist-oriented P4P establishments, especially in the most recent years. There are a few exceptions, but usually, it's because those places were way overpriced in the past (like the Eden Club in Bangkok, for example) or if the prices have somehow increased reasonably, it's more often than not to the detriment of the overall quality of providers and/or services rendered on average. One notable exception: the BJ bars. Those establishments still offer comparable quality for a relatively fair price that hasn't unreasonably increase in the past ten years (at least).
I don't want to discuss about this topic much longer, because it's usually a total waste of time, and alas, it won't prevent most of the two-week billionaires to still stupidly pay insane and fast increasing amounts of money (compared to the local average income) to get laid in the LOS. Yes, it's still quite affordable for most of us foreigners (although, it might not be the same in the not too distant future at the current price increasing pace), but it does not mean that we should accept being treated and considered as ignorant fools.
In these days and age, every monger can easily learn some basic facts about the local economics and then, can tell when he is getting ripped off. If more people were informed and smart enough, most tourist-oriented P4P places would still offer decent prestations at a fair price, but it had not been the case for quite a long time now.
Oh, and by the way, well-behaved Westerners are welcome in Thai venues (from low to high-end ones). Of course, you have to know the ropes and it might be difficult if you can't speak at least some basic Thai, but they are not forbidden to the white-skinned, long-nosed visitors. I know some places where Arabs and Indians are not welcome though (yeah, it's xenophobic and based on stupid prejudice), but I have yet to find a true "Thai-only" establishment. If they exist, they are far than being numerous compared to the large amounts of Thai venues that accept Western guests (and also other foreigners hopefully).
Paul Kausch
04-28-14, 18:15
In most Soapies, you can sit with a drink looking for a very very long time, before making a decision. I was never asked to leave.
Despite what others report, I have sat at the bar for a while with a drink at Annies, as long as it was clear I have the intention to make a booking in due course.As I speak very, very little Thai, I think of the soapies you refer to as an exotic out of the ordinary adventure for me. One of the appeals to me is the availability of food and drink and no rush nature of these venues.
I routinely have a drink at Annie's and the Dr BJ establishments before picking a girl. I am bemused by the reports that these venues discourage this.
Western787
04-28-14, 18:16
Of course no goes to a Soapy JUST only to ogle. However I like the girl chosen to be eye-candy to my taste. I don't choose an ugly or dumpy girl with expectation she must be good to make up for lack of looks.
You may not understand. In most Soapies, you can sit with a drink looking for a very very long time, before making a decision. I was never asked to leave. Some Soapies have tables and chairs expressly for sitting drinking. E. G. Amsterdam. Some will give you a menu and allow you to order food. While eating you might suddenly spot the girl of your dreams arrive to the girl seating area. Then quickly you can call her over for a drink, and subsequently decide if you want to take her upstairs for the bath etc. Or offer her something to eat should she wish. La Belle and Utopia are soapies where customers commonly call girls out to sit with them for a drink first.
I have years of experience of sitting outside Chao Praya II fishbowl eating and drinking and eventually selecting my next girl. Could easily have been 2 hours after I came down from going with a previous girl.
Despite what others report, I have sat at the bar for a while with a drink at Annies, as long as it was clear I have the intention to make a booking in due course. However the problem at Annies is that girls do not sit in the fishbowl all the time. They ring the bell to call girls to the viewing area. This doesn't happen at other real Soapies. I rate Annies as a strange cross between a Soapy and an Oily MP, in method of operation, even if there is no oil massage. The key thing about soapies is you have immense time to make your girl choice including waiting to see which girls come out from prior bookings.
At Eden, unfortunately it is a place where you are expected to choose from the lineup almost immediately and there is no chance to speak to the girls and ask anything at all, not even their names. This is one reason, I would not go there again, apart from not being impressed by the girls looks or acting talents. I like Oilies with girls sitting outside. Its possible to have a very brief conversation with them before entering and making a selection. You can at least make a joke or two and judge from reactions who is in a good mood. At least in Oilies you get a little more time to choose while the girls state their names.You apparently did not read my post very carefully.
As I said : "Soapies like Poseidon, La Belle, The Lord or wherever are just not designed for someone dropping by (even after buying a drink) JUST to watch eye candy. Yes, a quick check of fishbowls you can get away with (Emannuelle not bad for that) but its not like Go Go's where just buying a drink and enjoying the nude women dancing is acceptable on a REPETIVE NIGHT AFTER NIGHT BASIS."
Of course patrons often hang out extended periods at Soapies, but generally that's BEFORE they make a selection, but try going to lets say POSEIDON or La Belle 12 nights in a row, stay 2 hours, buy a drink or two, and never select a girl. You are going to very unpopular with management.
Well you can do that at Rainbow 4 or other Go Go's, and in fact many people are drink-only customers over and over again, perhaps just taking a girl every 10th time or 15th time or whatever, but that's not going to be looked upon very favorably in a Soapy Palace.
That's the point I was making - Go Go's with (far larger crowds, and typically10 times the patrons per night than soapies) are entertainment eye candy venues suitable for looking and not buying, very different than Soapies
Western787
04-28-14, 18:26
As I speak very, very little Thai, I think of the soapies you refer to as an exotic out of the ordinary adventure for me. One of the appeals to me is the availability of food and drink and no rush nature of these venues.
I routinely have a drink at Annie's and the Dr BJ establishments before picking a girl. I am bemused by the reports that these venues discourage this.No one said that these venues are discouraging patrons from buying a drink (and hanging out) BEFORE picking a girl.
As another ISG member has already written it, the profit margins are (outrageously) high in the P4P establisments located in popular tourist areas. Moreover, the prices have increased at a much higher pace than how prices have in Thai venues, especially since year 2008.
In Thai venues, the prices have increased and still fluctuate (more or less) following the evolution of the local average monthly income in all kinds of establishments (cheap brothels, karaoke joints and massage parlors of all sorts, etc.). If, for instance, one prestation in a specific establishment amounted about 15% of the Thai average monthly income ten years ago (6754 baht in 2004) , then, it usually still costs about 15% of the current Thai average monthly income nowadays (12163 baht for the most recent data for the last quarter of 2013) and the quality of said prestation has not declined in the meanwhile.The price for sex in Oily MPs has been stuck on 1500 for many years, right? It does not go up every year. The girls only get more than this when the customer is generous. In Annies and some others, the girls get less than 1. 5 K (without extra tips).
In 2004 at Soapy Chao Praya II (mainly Thai customers) , I would have to pay the girl a 1000 tip to include sex in the service. Cost of living has almost doubled. It makes sense it would cost 2000 Baht tip for sex now, not including payment for other parts of the service. Can still get ST from bargirls for 2K. True not all girls are willing to go for 2K. The really hot ones have too many customers to accept 2K, I understand that. Likewise the really hot girls at Thai oriented soapies are in a higher price bracket.
I don't understand what all the complaints re prices is about. Meanwhile my Thai supermarket bill has grown dramatically in last few years. It shocks me regularly. I would rather shop in the supermarket in Germany where prices are pretty good.
FruitNinja
04-28-14, 18:38
No one said that these venues are discouraging patrons from buying a drink (and hanging out) BEFORE picking a girl.Correct, they do not discourage you having a drink. I have heard of guys wanting to sit at the bar and drink. That's not cool. They aren't set up to make money on drinks.
FN
FruitNinja
04-28-14, 18:42
I now hear the entire upstairs part is blackened. No one was present when electrical fault set it off. So may have taken time to be detected.My girl says it was in the canopy. The girls have to go in tomorrow and clean. She's not too happy about it. Might be some interesting ogling. They should have to clean in bikinis. Ha!
The price for sex in Oily MPs has been stuck on 1500 for many years, right? It does not go up every year. The girls only get more than this when the customer is generous. In Annies and some others, the girls get less than 1. 5 K (without extra tips).
I don't understand what all the complaints re prices is about. Meanwhile my Thai supermarket bill has grown dramatically in last few years. It shocks me regularly. I would rather shop in the supermarket in Germany where prices are pretty good.Se like it or not, All prices are increasing, despite the cost reductions operated on salaries and employement.
Even NEP has been recently repainted after some venues change hands. So the new guys spent money in buying and spent money in painting and refurbishing (mainly cosmetic). They want their investment back and being sort of corporates they want it back quick.
Not like an old owner happy to get a good, wealthy and decent living out of it on monthly basis and see the value increasing for the time he plans to sell it as his "pension scheme".
FruitNinja
04-28-14, 18:46
Seems to have been this morning. Either Bacarra on fire or right above my favourite hamburger stand. Seems was not too serious.
Not that far in past Rawhide I believe was burnt fairly seriously.
I haven't seen the fire show recently. I wonder has it been discontinued at Rawhide and Suzi W?Just caught your fire show comment. Funny. I tell you what, I always go upstairs at Bacarra and walking up those stairs I've always thought "man I hope there isn't a fire." That would not pass any code in the west.
Pro Fesseur
04-28-14, 19:07
The price for sex in Oily MPs has been stuck on 1500 for many years, right? It does not go up every year. The girls only get more than this when the customer is generous. In Annies and some others, the girls get less than 1. 5 K (without extra tips).
In 2004 at Soapy Chao Praya II (mainly Thai customers) , I would have to pay the girl a 1000 tip to include sex in the service. Cost of living has almost doubled. It makes sense it would cost 2000 Baht tip for sex now, not including payment for other parts of the service. Can still get ST from bargirls for 2K. True not all girls are willing to go for 2K. The really hot ones have too many customers to accept 2K, I understand that. Likewise the really hot girls at Thai oriented soapies are in a higher price bracket.
Most oily MPs were overpriced ten years ago. It's similar (although to a lesser extent) to what I wrote about the Eden Club.
The overall cost should be taken into consideration for the Chao Praya II soapy. If you have understood what I wrote in my previous post, it's consistent if the overall 2014 cost amounts approximately twice (actually, it should be about 1.8 times) the overall 2004 cost, considering how the local average monthly income has increased in the meanwhile.
About bargirls, the overall quality has dramatically decreased since 2004 (older and/or less attractive girls, greater proportion of mothers, etc.), thus, a 2K ST session is usually overpriced (on average) nowadays, unless the girl is of comparable quality/beauty and provides a comparable prestation as what was being offered for 1000 baht ten years ago in the same (or in a similar) venue. Moreover, you must take into consideration the barfine (and the ladydrinks) too in this case for computing the overall cost, and then, you will certainly understand my point and agree with me about how insanely the prices have increased in tourist-oriented P4P venues. If not, you are a desperate case and it's not worth pursuing this discussion because it would be essentially a waste of time.
Tits_Lover
04-28-14, 20:40
Hey.
Found this on Craig:
http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/4444258513.html
Has anyone tried her / She claimed to have full girl but I am not so sure.
Paul Kausch
04-28-14, 22:24
No one said that these venues are discouraging patrons from buying a drink (and hanging out) BEFORE picking a girl.I don't recall you ever suggesting that. However, over the past year from time to time I have read occasional posts claiming the management gave them a hard time for ordering a drink at the bar. Sysygies has obviously made note of these same posts and was clarifying that Annie's does not do this. I was confirming that based on my experiences Syzygies is correct.
Can't be done. In popular tourist areas. Can be done for even less elsewhere.
It was also quite possible (with freelancers) only 10 years ago in Bangkok, even on lower Sukhumvit (for instance) , but two-week billionaires have ruined this area since. Nowadays, you have to be very lucky, but it is still quite possible to find a decent looking provider (and sometimes a really cute and even a few hot ones) for instance in Bangkok's Chinatown district (300. 500 baht for a ST session. 80. 120 baht for the room). Agreed, more than 80% among them are old, ugly and / or unattractive, about 15% are just "doable", but a few gems (lookwise) can be found among the rest. Don't expect top service (and that's an understatement!) although from the most beautiful girls there, and those girls very seldom speak any English.I'd be interested in seeing pics of these alleged "hot" TGs in BKK's Chinatown for 300 baht + room. Previously I've posted a number of images of what I consider to be very attractive.
Certainly the 500 baht + room 120 baht girls wouldn't qualify as they are over the 600 baht equivalent I paid to fuck sexy girls in SG from various other nations. If you know where to go, these babes are very easy to find. The SG forum of ISG has numerous reports from punters on the subject.
Of course in a period as long as 10 years many factors can come into play to affect prices, including at least 3 percent inflation per year, supply & demand, political crises, flooding, local & world economy, exchange rates, etc.
Nevertheless, the typical standard price for NEP area street walkers hasn't inflated in at least 7 years, remaining at 1000 baht ST. That's a bargain if you consider that with inflation alone it should have increased several hundred baht over that time period.
BTW one of my top looking NPL girls said she took only 700 baht from a customer earlier this year. With the protests the last several months it's been a buyer's market in BKK. On the street things may be better now than they were back in 2007.
Paul Kausch
04-28-14, 23:02
Has anyone tried her / She claimed to have full girl but I am not so sure.Claims to be 5'8" (172cm). Aor (#24) is 5'7". I can think of two other Thai ladies I know who are about 5'6." I've met pretties who are 5'7" to 5'8". That's it. I know a lot of Thai men who are about 5'8". I'm skeptical too.
In 2004 at Soapy Chao Praya II (mainly Thai customers) , I would have to pay the girl a 1000 tip to include sex in the service. Cost of living has almost doubled. It makes sense it would cost 2000 Baht tip for sex now, not including payment for other parts of the service.Sex is the service at a Soapy. If you're not provided sex for the payment to the counter, you should go to the management and complain.
Sex is the service at a Soapy. If you're not provided sex for the payment to the counter, you should go to the management and complain.You don't understand. In the old days, some Soapies had traditional Thai Massage service, and you paid up front only for the Thai massage (and bath). The sex was paid for separately. I used that as example because it was clear exactly how much was the sex fee.
About bargirls, the overall quality has dramatically decreased since 2004 (older and/or less attractive girls, greater proportion of mothers, etc.), thus, a 2K ST session is usually overpriced (on average) nowadays, unless the girl is of comparable quality/beauty and provides a comparable prestation as what was being offered for 1000 baht ten years ago in the same (or in a similar) venue.I can only partially agree.
You look back over photos of bargirls you Barfined in the distant past or took at Soapies (whichever). Then compare to girls of today. I think we sometimes kid ourselves about how much better they were years ago. I believe I take overall much better girls in the modern day because I have become more fussy.
"Dramatically decreased". That is great exaggeration I believe. Some particular bars do not have many good looking girls, because they are doing poor business. The bars were booming much more in the old days. Today many bars are struggling, and makes it hard to attract hot girls with low salaries. Some of the hot girls unfortunately can now make a living doing Coyote only, due to the Arab bars on Cowboy. Some bars do now seem to have too high a percentage of over weight girls.
Its true that there is a worse supply of great natural girls. I attribute this partly to the frequency of the nose jobs, jaw and cheek jobs, and tit jobs that is spoiling the girls. To some guys, all this fake stuff is great but not to my taste.
Last night I took Noo Dee from Suzie Wong (actually I pre booked) , the No. 1 girl who clearly stands out from the rest as the super hot body and very pretty face when dancing with the rest. Line up was quite weak being a Monday. Only 3 girls there I knew well. Another 6 I know were away. Noo Dee is now away till 7 May, so don't bother to check her out just yet.
Most of the super hot bargirls including Noo Dee, would gladly leave the job, if the right "prince" came along, but true "princes" are hard to find. Guys willing to pay what the girl was making in the bar may need to have a lot of money. One of the really raunchy great fucks at SW left about a year, as some guy wanted her all to himself. I have heard one of the new girls is a superwoman on the bed (according to another girl LOL). Yet to try. Looks are good enough to be doable, even if not in Noo Dee looks class.
Crazy House seems to run opposite to the norm. Some of the best looking girls seem to show up on a quiet week day, but not on busy Friday and Saturdays (maybe they have private bookings). One of the best lookers was there last night but I haven't seen her for a while before that. She may have a tit job, but it must be a very good one if I can't be sure (possibly not silicone). I think some girls work there on a very part time basis. The line up varies a lot.
To me, I have several options for a great bargirl, its just they are not all at the same bar. I can also go to Soapies like Amsterdam being a favourite, or try The Lord again, or go Dr. BJ for VIP, or peruse the pretty girls available on Soi 24/1. Not so interested in ugly PSE girls.
Are there any stunning natural PSE girls around at present? I mean at least equal or better than June from Snow White (when she was there)? Okay June was not to stunning but at least was well above average.
In general, I find it easier to find great looking girls at bars than at Oilies, and get to see them naked first. No gamble with the body. Only gamble with the service.
You apparently did not read my post very carefully.Ha Ha! I quote you again:
Soapies like Poseidon, La Belle, The Lord or wherever are just not designed for someone dropping by(even after buying a drink) just to watch eye candy. Yes, a quick check of fishbowls you can get away with (Emannuelle not bad for that) etc.The first sentence is silly. Of course no one normally drops by just to look only, but its possible. I can't say what other guys go there for. Anyway I don't argue. Its true, not designed just for eye-candy ONLY.
I addressed the 2nd part which seems to say you only get to make a quick check of the fishbowls. I merely addressed this, indicating in most soapies you can take as long as you like, as you gave the wrong impression, in my view.
Hey.
Found this on Craig:
http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/
Has anyone tried her / She claimed to have full girl but I am not so sure.You want to be careful. If its a LB (if that's what you mean by "full" girl) , I did not look, that would be particularly against the rules of the forum, to be promoting her / him. Better to post links to girls you have tried yourself, and recommend with full report.
I'd be interested in seeing pics of these alleged "hot" TGs in BKK's Chinatown for 300 baht + room. Previously I've posted a number of images of what I consider to be very attractive.I have seen in the Dubai forum images of a couple of women available for the equivalent of 3/500 be, and, man, I would not touch them with a stick. Each one his own, of course.
At least the guy did not rate them "hot", but still.
Tits_Lover
04-29-14, 07:40
You want to be careful. If its a LB (if that's what you mean by "full" girl) , I did not look, that would be particularly against the rules of the forum, to be promoting her / him. Better to post links to girls you have tried yourself, and recommend with full report.You are completely off the road.
I've never met her hence I am asking if someone met her already. I would like to avoid wasting time if she is not worth it. In the same way everyone is reporting or asking about some other girls, I am now asking about her. Where is the problem? Since she is advertising on CL I though someone might have met her already.
You can see through my profiles and posts that I am not a pimp, if this is what you are worried about. Far from it.
Tits_Lover
04-29-14, 07:42
Claims to be 5'8" (172cm). Aor (#24) is 5'7". I can think of two other Thai ladies I know who are about 5'6." I've met pretties who are 5'7" to 5'8". That's it. I know a lot of Thai men who are about 5'8". I'm skeptical too.thanks PL. I guess feet and hands will show as well. However for me the face is not the most "girly" I know, I am also quite skeptical.
I asked if she is born as a girl and she replied she has a pussy, which could mean she is a post op, in fact.
Thanks 4 help
Paul Kausch
04-29-14, 08:03
I asked if she is born as a girl and she replied she has a pussy, which could mean she is a post op, in fact.I think that's a very revealing answer. The simple, straightforward answer is yes or no, which (s)he avoided.
you can see through my profiles and posts that i am not a pimp, if this is what you are worried about. far from it.sorry i wrote a bit abbreviated. i don't mean to accuse you of anything. however if you suspect someone maybe a ladyboy, its against the rules to post links to it, even if your intention was not to promote or advertise. otherwise ladyboys could post links to themselves and promote themselves. i guess you can imagine why some of the rules might exist.
anyway its no big deal to me. technically the rules say that ladyboys cannot be mentioned, but i just mentioned them. we also have to be very careful how we comment of the touchy subject of **** girls. **** girl promotion is a very seriously banned topic.
technically the rules say that ladyboys cannot be mentioned, but i just mentioned them. we also have to be very careful how we comment of the touchy subject of **** girls. **** girl promotion is a very seriously banned topic.i personally think that it is not forbidden to refer to lb's (there is even a thread on "how to identify lb's"!
it is forbidden to promote, favour, give feedbacks and hints etc.
on the subject of "****" it is not much different, plus the fact there might be legal consequences, being a criminal offence to promote etc.
on the other hand how one should read a sentence as "do not go in bar xy as there are **** girls working" or "do not go in bar yx as full of lb's" and really meaning that?
as the glass can be half empty or half full, those sentences can be a warning ("stay away in case you do not know") or a subtle hint ("just for you to know, in case you are interested")
maybe meaning stay away. or maybe giving some "useful" info to those who are looking for that info.
pretty tricky, isn't it?
should such a message be banned?
i often warned some newbies mentioning those touchy subject in a naive way (not strictly promoting, maybe just saying "have been with a lb and was happy about it" which imho is out of the rules). referring to the rules.
just my two cents
Tits_Lover
04-29-14, 12:49
Sorry I wrote a bit abbreviated. I don't mean to accuse you of anything. However if you suspect someone maybe a ladyboy, its against the rules to post links to it, even if your intention was not to promote or advertise. Otherwise ladyboys could post links to themselves and promote themselves. I guess you can imagine why some of the rules might exist.Ok, clear. No problem.
I am sorry if I did break some rule, not my intention. Was only trying to find some feedback.
Will let drop that subject then.
Thanks
From not a very official source I here now Baccara will open tonight. Groundfloor only. I go check later myself this evening night.
Went to Nana Plaza on Sunday night in a very good mood as I had just watched Chelsea beat Liverpool 2-0. I was not actually on the hunt myself but my Australian friend was as this was the last night of his two week holiday.
We started off the evening in Angelwitch which I have to say still has very good shows and I noticed a few additions to the line up from my last visit there. Unfortunately Dave the rave is no longer there in the evenings as his efforts have been switched to internet and other such promotion which means he is busy in the day time but free in the evening. Having been here quite a few times my friend is wise enough not to grab a lady from the first venue visited.
We walked upstairs and had a quick look in Billboard, the time was around 11:30, but the offerings were thin to say the least. This is not a direct criticism of the venue as perhaps there had been a lot of barfines that night and let's be honest that is what they are in business to do. However it did not appeal to my friend so we swiftly moved on. Dropped into Mercury next and was immediately accosted by a lady I have known for around two years. It is probably 4 months since I have been in there and the number of girls dancing was disappointing, four girls up on stage and not many more sitting around. I asked the lady who was now sipping the drink I offered her but she mumbled some inaudible reply which I took to be the Thai way of letting me know she didn't want to discuss the subject so one quick vodka sprite later and we decided to pop next door to Mandarin.
Surprisingly this is a go-go I have never been to before and within three seconds of checking out the line up was kicking myself for not doing so. There were about 12-14 girls up dancing and a few more dotted around on the seats. After ordering drinks I looked at my friend to be greeted by a knowing grin and a telling nod which unmistakably meant this would be our final venue of the evening.
I have to say it was much easier to count the girls I would not consider barfining than the other way round, which came to three. Now this was not because they were fat or ugly they were simply not to my personal taste. I'm sure there are other people who would consider my three no-goes as being desirable and the World is a better place for the difference in preference. I did call one particularly nice lady down for a drink and a chat. She was very pleasant and had a vibrancy about her. Furthermore she fully understood that I was not interested in a companion that night but I assured her I would be popping back this coming Friday to sample her company on a more intimate basis. Needless to say my friend eventually selected a fine looking lady and within 20 minutes was disappearing in the direction of the ST Hotel within the Nana complex.
In summing up anyone coming to Bangkok in the next few weeks should set aside some time to check out the offerings in Mandarin, I seriously doubt you will be disappointed.
Regards,
Dr BJ
I been "boots on the ground" a few times in BKK, but find my local knowledge severly lacking when it comes to knowing what the real difference might be in some terms.
Is a "soapie" sometihng like Nataree? An "oily" might be Annie's? How does one classify something like Lord's?
I'm assuming that MP are the numerous massge places on every street that the girls often sit outside. I admit I never thought about walking into one of those and taking a girl out for a LT or even a ST to my hotel.
What clubs are normally referred to as "G" clubs? The only one I went to (3 times) was way out near the old airport. I did not know there were any near the normal playgrounds.
SW I am familiar with as well as the go go bars.
Sorry if this is a waste of bandwidth, but trying to create a plan for the next visit.
Thanks.
Sky
StaticCouch
04-29-14, 15:47
I been "boots on the ground" a few times in BKK, but find my local knowledge severly lacking when it comes to knowing what the real difference might be in some terms.
Is a "soapie" sometihng like Nataree? An "oily" might be Annie's? How does one classify something like Lord's?
I'm assuming that MP are the numerous massge places on every street that the girls often sit outside. I admit I never thought about walking into one of those and taking a girl out for a LT or even a ST to my hotel.
What clubs are normally referred to as "G" clubs? The only one I went to (3 times) was way out near the old airport. I did not know there were any near the normal playgrounds.
SW I am familiar with as well as the go go bars.
Sorry if this is a waste of bandwidth, but trying to create a plan for the next visit.
Thanks.
SkyMate. Soapie. What I understand and have experienced is poor version of Nuru Massage where Soap water is used instead of Nuru Gel. With the gel, the girl is suppose to be more agile and soap water she is not as agile / free flowing.
I guess "G" clubs would be Gay. Not sure if that is true. In most of the MPs the girls would offer a single shot or two shots in the massage cabin itself (if you are comfortable, banging them there). I had taken few girls back to my hotel from MPs in Sukhumvit Soi4 area, after they are done with their shift, but they are not as energetic as they would be if it is in the morning when they are fresh.
When I was in BKK & few other places in Tland, I wanted to try Euro girls and got loads of them in BKK, where my hands and John boy were completely occupied!
Hope the above helps.
Stay Safe, Bang Safe.
Static!
Crazy4Thai
04-29-14, 15:48
I think that's a very revealing answer. The simple, straightforward answer is yes or no, which (s)he avoided.In a western culture I would agree with you totally. In Thailand you could certainly be right but you might also be giving language credit where it is not due. I had a FL 2 nights ago with the same conversation and same answer. She was very much a female.
I been "boots on the ground" a few times in BKK, but find my local knowledge severly lacking when it comes to knowing what the real difference might be in some terms.
Is a "soapie" sometihng like Nataree? An "oily" might be Annie's? How does one classify something like Lord's?
SkyAnnie's is not only self described as a soapie but it is a soapie at all effects.
I guess "G" clubs would be Gay.
Static!G should stand for "gentlemen.
You will see this also in S. Korea.
Paul Kausch
04-29-14, 16:27
i been "boots on the ground" a few times in bkk, but find my local knowledge severly lacking when it comes to knowing what the real difference might be in some terms.
thanks.
skysoapies use soap. oilies use oil. i am not being snide. that is the difference. well know soapies include annie's, nataree, la belle, amsterdam, the lord and the various venues along ratchada and phetchaburi, but there are many more rep001tered around bangkok. with the exception of annie's these primarily cater to thai men. well know oilies include snow white, mango and cherry. they cater more to farangs and feature more ladies who offer a pse. generally the oilies are on sukhumit soi 24, soi 24/1 and soi 26, but they are not limited to these sois.
a g-club is a gentlemen's club. to have access one becomes a member which means pre-purchase bottles of liquor, though one may purchase one bottle to gain access for one night. the g-clubs are upscale clubs with a bar, lounge, comfortable seating, floor shows and have more attractive ladies who are looking for a steady consensual relationship and stream of cash if not an outright sugar daddy. the patrons will be upper middle class thai men and expats with a good command of thai. generally the ladies speak little if any english and are interested in men living in bangkok.
also, there is this remarkable new technology called a search engine. now i am being snide. if you do a search using key words like "massage parlors bangkok" and "gentlemen's clubs bangkok" you can learn more and find lists of venues. on google the first hit on the gentlemen's clubs bangkok search is complete guide to gentlemen's clubs in bangkok. you get the same result if you use g club in place of gentlemen's club.
Globe Trots
04-29-14, 16:42
Went to Crazy House (Soi 23) for the very first time today as I've been away from BKK for a fairly long time.
I sat in the ground floor area as I glimpsed at least 2 girls I would rate 8s, and 1 potential 10. The 10 was right up my alley, super petite, no tattoos, large eyes, defined nose, all round very pretty, fair to boot, and zero fat tummy. For those into numbers, she was #80, and my estimate is 155cm. 40kg, and low 20s. The only reason it is a potential 10 is because she could perhaps lose 0. 5lbs off her bum, but that's just me being incredibly picky. I suspect work done to the nose, and possibly boobs, though I'm not sure about the boobs since they were only borderline large for her petite size. Then again, girls that slim don't usually have much boobs at all.
Overall, the girls looked great, all slim to slim-ish, of varying heights from 155 to 170. This is not a great place if one is not a fan of tattoos though, as perhaps some 60-70% of the girls I saw had them. Some of them even had extensive full back tattoos.
Made friends with the mamasan, as well as one of the waiters / fixers (by offering them drinks of course) , and they proceeded to bring me the aforementioned 10. Disaster! She was still gorgeous up close, and slim as can be, BUT was ice cold. Nary a smile, just a polite hello, what is your name, followed by quietly sitting and sipping her cola. 10 minutes of boredom ensued, and I was glad to see her back on stage. Definitely not BF material, though she remained a delight (fully nude and all) on stage.
Well, mai pen rai, despatched the mamasan to pick me another petite girl, and she showed up with another. Dyed red hair, not so fair, but still petite of course. Perhaps 1 shade less petite than #80, but definitely nothing to complain about whatsoever! My estimate is perhaps 155/43.
This was great, and I BFed for ST. This was another somewhat unpleasant surprise, as the mamasan asked for 3500 incl BF, which was pretty high in my opinion. I laughed, and the price immediately dropped to 3000 incl BF, which while still not cheap for BKK, closer to acceptability. Besides, I was distracted with a super slim stark naked 18-year-old bouncing on my lap!
Unfortunately, back in the room, she was a total starfish. Cursory BJ, and not particularly responsive sex. I soldiered on of course, and focused on the naughty feelings of "pillaging" an 18-year-old, and she was on her way after no more than an hour in my room tops. Very oddly, she loosened up after, chatting, using Google Translate (which is spectacular for those who haven't used it yet) , etc, before hardening up and hitting me up for "taxi fare". I just wanted to goto bed at this point, and passed her 100 and sent her on her way.
Overall conclusion for Crazy House:
The venue is nice and new, and packed full of young beautiful girls. My bill for 3x whiskey cokes and 5x lady drinks was 1510, which is also par for the course. However, it perhaps reminds me of Baccara in how commercial it feels. While we all know that P4P is commercial, my personal preference is for a touch of GFE, false or otherwise (who cares!). Will I repeat? I will certainly bring friends here as Crazy House looks to join the ranks of Baccara and Rainbow4 as one of the top agogos in BKK, but the style isn't for me personally.
FruitNinja
04-29-14, 16:44
From not a very official source I here now Baccara will open tonight. Groundfloor only. I go check later myself this evening night.Yes, Apparently the second floor is pretty bad. Wonder what they will do with the second floor girls.
Is a "soapie" sometihng like Nataree? An "oily" might be Annie's? How does one classify something like Lord's?
Thanks.
SkyThere are no clear and precise definitions. Establishments vary. Soapies is a Farang term applied to "Aap Op Nuat" establishments.
"Aap" means to wash. Normally means girls gets in bath / jacuzzi with you naked and takes much time to wash you very thoroughly everywhere.
The normal expectation is you then proceed to bed or massage table or blowup mattress for a "massage" (Nuat) which could be Thai style or not. In many cases the massage is dispensed with and sex follows instead or as well.
Yoremichi has a bath with the naked girl in some rooms, yet it would normally be seen as an Oily massage place, because the "massage" if given is usually a choice of Oil, Lotion, Gel, or even Thai massage. Pink and others also have Jacuzzi rooms (not all rooms). The definitions blur here.
Normally Soapies have all the girls sitting on display to choose from so you can sit for a long time looking at them to make your choice. This is probably the most stand out feature, along with the bath with the girl. Oilies generally are small establishments and mostly rooms have only space for a shower, and girls are usually called briefly to form a lineup. Choice has to be made more quickly. Annies can be seen as a Soapy (due to having a soapy bath with girl) , but does not quite match the standard pattern, in terms of having a lounge to view the girls at your leasure. They ring the bell to call girls to the viewing area more like an Oily line-up choice, but usually with girl numbers greater than Oilies.
Annies has massage tables rather than beds, at least in most rooms. Most Soapies have beds (if there is enough space) , as its more comfortable.
Then are the Kapoo style where full sex is not officially available. In some of these, girls will normally bath the guy before naughty massage, but she doesn't get all gear off and get into the bath too. E. G. Chavala group. Maybe they don't all have bath. I don't use them.
Nuru is another slight variation.
The confusing thing, is that places known as massage parlours, may not give any "real"/normal massage at all. I don't like real massage. I take body massage using tits, bottom, legs, mouth, but no real hand action except maybe lightly on the dick, balls etc.
Some places are not known as MPs, when its clear there is never any chance of a pretend massage. E. G. Eden.
I am taking VIP at Dr BJ, with full extended body slide massage, so my experience there is similar to a Soapy but there is no bath. Shower and soap up on the mattress is not really that far different. Having a bath is not really important just like having a real massage is not that important.
For real massage, go to a "Spa".
Nataree has two sections. One is for traditional Thai Massage (plus bath&sex) , the other is without the Thai massage, but still bath and sex. So its known as a Soapy, both sections.
Went to Crazy House (Soi 23) for the very first time today as I've been away from BKK for a fairly long time.
I sat in the ground floor area as I glimpsed at least 2 girls I would rate 8s, and 1 potential 10.And last night the line up was not even at its best. Several top girls were missing. However you are right there was a 10 there.
Yes, Apparently the second floor is pretty bad. Wonder what they will do with the second floor girls.Lots of cheap BF's, they're having a fire sale!
Not so interested in ugly PSE girls.
Are there any stunning natural PSE girls around at present?
I'm not very picky about looks (as long as the girl is slim), but I haven't run across anything close to a real PSE provider for many, many years. That is, since things began their severe decline about 2001-2003.
Member #4698
04-29-14, 19:47
The thing I noticed about the Crazy House girls were that the prettier girls, IMHO, were in the nude group of dancers and the less pretty girls were in the covered group of dancers. In my recent visit to BKK I took a girl from both groups. I am an equal opportunity employer.
FruitNinja
04-29-14, 21:40
Lots of cheap BF's, they're having a fire sale!Damn! And I'm home.
The thing I noticed about the Crazy House girls were that the prettier girls, IMHO, were in the nude group of dancers and the less pretty girls were in the covered group of dancers. In my recent visit to BKK I took a girl from both groups. I am an equal opportunity employer.I originally BFed a newbie girl from the covered group who was a very shy girl, and I had to train her up a bit. She had a Thai BF before but did not know much about DATY or BJ. Today she has become a wild raunchy danger showing off her pussy and bottom due to drinking too much alcohol. The change in character is total in the space of a few months. She is quite useless to me as a drunk girl.
Some girls are showing up very irregularly. Don't know if they have any salary left or all gone in fines. Bought drinks for a very young inexperienced girl last time (just 18). Only has been with a customer for sex once before. Far too shy, young and inexperienced to be worth the risk of taking her for ST. I can tell she would be just a grin and bear it type of girl. Meanwhile the girl I search for, May, is again missing.
I had come from a session at Dr BJ with an extremely experienced girl, so knew it just would not be the same with a total newbie. At Dr BJ, the girl asked me did I want to change to a different girl as her pussy was sore after shaving problem. I stuck with her due to her accepting that DATY would be okay and her bottom was available. In the end turned out with plenty of lube, her pussy wasn't out of action after all. She turned quite horny instead. I would rate her as very good GFE and PSE together. Not quite stunning but quite a good face and ass fairly good too. She is a funny girl, because at times she will put on an exaggerated act in a way that is meant to be totally obvious, as a sort of joke, as though overly exaggerated performance is what was expected from the girl. Then she will make a laugh, and revert back to more natural style, without anything exaggerated. Not quite sure why she thinks that a short stint of totally over the top acting is funny, maybe its as though some girls would do this as normal behaviour and she is attempting to send them up or imitate them, or as though some customers would not know it is complete bullshit. Anyway she does not try to pretend its real, its just a strange sort of joke, till she reverts back to her more natural self.
Member #4387
04-29-14, 23:05
As I speak very, very little Thai, I think of the soapies you refer to as an exotic out of the ordinary adventure for me. One of the appeals to me is the availability of food and drink and no rush nature of these venues.
I routinely have a drink at Annie's and the Dr BJ establishments before picking a girl. I am bemused by the reports that these venues discourage this.I take no part in the MP's or other venues simular. Neither do I participate in anything involving barfines or ladydrinks. But the good doctor himself (Dr BJ) have made ME visit (I blame him in a humoristic manner) Spanky gogo and I picked a girl (I mean why not).
Except from that I stop by him from to time to have a chat and a few beverages. Friendly bloke. By the way in all this discussion involving pricings in certain venues the FL market is still running the same way as it did 8 years ago. I mostly pay 3k LT today and did so 8 years ago. On occation you have a female asking for some extras as in taxi money sth I give sth I am not.
I take no part in the MP's or other venues simular. Neither do I participate in anything involving barfines or ladydrinks. But the good doctor himself (Dr BJ) have made ME visit (I blame him in a humoristic manner) Spanky gogo and I picked a girl (I mean why not).
Except from that I stop by him from to time to have a chat and a few beverages. Friendly bloke. By the way in all this discussion involving pricings in certain venues the FL market is still running the same way as it did 8 years ago. I mostly pay 3k LT today and did so 8 years ago. On occation you have a female asking for some extras as in taxi money sth I give sth I am not.I am with you on the barfines and lady drinks. These days I don't do it. Became an oily guy pretty much exclusively around '07. Before that was about 80% FL 20% GoGo. Thermae, Nana Disco, some of the hotels, and a few of the after hours places. Never paid more than 1k ST.
I'm not very picky about looks (as long as the girl is slim), but I haven't run across anything close to a real PSE provider for many, many years. That is, since things began their severe decline about 2001-2003.Still out there, but only in a few oilies and usually with providers that were trained back in the "good ole days." But yea, back in the late 90s and early aughts it was pretty amazing. I think some of it was due to the fact that almost all the gals loved to drink and party. Yaa Baa was also a factor.
In Soi Cowboy. Expected a lot of pressure for ladydrinks. Had 5 come up to me at once. I said I can only buy 2, and gave in for a 3rd. Seemed to ease the pressure a bit.
Also was pressured to immediately go to the naughty corner. I said I want to relax with my drink first.
At my 2nd drink, I gave in. Bought 3 more drinks and asked 2 ladies to service me in the naughty corner.
Nothingless than incredible! They took turns, in full view of that section of the bar. A few patrons and a few workers.
$1000 baht each, plus the drinks. But I saved my allowance and knew I would splurge.
Expect pressure but expect a lot of fun too!
Also, there is this remarkable new technology called a search engine. Now I am being snide. If you do a search using key words like "massage parlors Bangkok" and "gentlemen's clubs Bangkok" you can learn more and find lists of venues. On Google the first hit on the gentlemen's clubs Bangkok search is Complete Guide to Gentlemen's Clubs in Bangkok. You get the same result if you use g club in place of gentlemen's club.PK,
As I said in the title, I know my questions were a little silly. I actually used Google Search before I posted, but wanted to make sure that "our" defintion of oily, soapie, G club, were the same as Google's.
The "snideness" was well deserved on my part (I appreciate you didn't use a more appropriate term, I haven't heard "snide" in quite a while) , now I have a pretty good handle on what constitutes each category. I will now do my due dilegence to try and locate an establishment that is likely to provide me with an approxiamtely 27-35 yr old willing companion that I will enjoy spending a few hours a day for three or four days in a row.
I have ruled out go go's as I have early mornings every day I am in town and need my beauty rest. LOL.
In all seriousness, I appreciate everyone's contribution. I also appreciate the comments about the hotels, it helped me make an informed decision.
Best,
Sky
I went to Dream Heaven about 5 weeks ago two times. I reported the first time then I went back the next night. I saw two girls. One was named Mo and the other I don't recall her name. The choice was only about 5 girls but they were attractive enough. Service was excellent. We started with a nice shower, then into the tub for a little fun. After the tub the girls took charge in the bed and were great fun and had a great attitude. They did what ever was asked. Mo appears to be about 19 and the other girl seemed about 22. Not sure the real ages. I would go see them again. This was some of the best service I have experienced in Bangkok.
I'm not very picky about looks (as long as the girl is slim), but I haven't run across anything close to a real PSE provider for many, many years. That is, since things began their severe decline about 2001-2003.The other day I got lucky. Ran into a girl near NEP in BKK who was the best DFK I've ever had on planet earth, whether LOS, Canada or SG. She also did BBBJ with her sexy Angelina Jolie sized lips for a long time, massaged my weiner between her largish tits without even a request for this, & asked what else I'd like. She was kissing me all over & rubbing her knockers everywhere. All that was just the warmup for the main event. Although she was by no means the best looking girl ever, and not my prefered slim body, it was one of the top rated sessions I've ever experienced.
Asking price? You guessed it, the dirt cheap 1000 baht per hour.
Which leads me to ask, what is this PSE you speak of? Something like this:
"Porn Star Experience. A term used to describe a sexual encouter where the partner exibited certain porn-like characteristics. Usually including such things as: Talking Dirty, CIM (cum in mouth) , a general knowledge of sexual positions and willingness to sexually please."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pse
Out of the 4 items listed, the last two are of interest to me, though I can think of quite a few others to add to the list & which are preferable & I've often experienced in BKK every year since 2007. Well over 1000 days in all.
Western787
04-30-14, 12:03
A G-Club is a gentlemen's club. To have access one becomes a member which means pre-purchase bottles of liquor, though one may purchase one bottle to gain access for one night. The G-Clubs are upscale clubs with a bar, lounge, comfortable seating, floor shows and have more attractive ladies who are looking for a steady consensual relationship and stream of cash if not an outright sugar daddy. The patrons will be upper middle class Thai men and expats with a good command of Thai. Generally the ladies speak little if any English and are interested in men living in Bangkok.No need for memberships, for example St Moritz (100 yards north of the Presidential Palace Hotel on Soi 11) anyone can access, but you its not cheap. 1000 bahts for first drink and you can hang at the bar if you want. So to just to hang will cost you about 6 times as much as to hang for an hour or two in lets say Rainbow 4. Anything beyond that and you need to be carrying stacks of 1000 baht bills. These are not budget clubs.
Now in regard to St Moritz, its quite luxurious, with probably a 60 foot? ceiling, with an incredible sound system to play the recorded music, which alternates between (sometimes awful) live bands. Certain nights its closed, and some nights the Coyotes do not even dance, (they just hang and do a walk by once in awhile) so you have to make sure ahead of time. I would think at some point with the protests, these clubs are going to be under severe financial stress. G clubs are in some sense like (baseball) farm teams to display and showcase potential talent for ultra rich Thais and Japanese to then recruit for their personal collections, so that may help some keep going longer.
As another ISG member has already written it, the profit margins are (outrageously) high in the P4P establisments located in popular tourist areas. Moreover, the prices have increased at a much higher pace than how prices have in Thai venues, especially since year 2008.
In Thai venues, the prices have increased and still fluctuate (more or less) following the evolution of the local average monthly income in all kinds of establishments (cheap brothels, karaoke joints and massage parlors of all sorts, etc.). If, for instance, one prestation in a specific establishment amounted about 15% of the Thai average monthly income ten years ago (6754 baht in 2004) , then, it usually still costs about 15% of the current Thai average monthly income nowadays (12163 baht for the most recent data for the last quarter of 2013) and the quality of said prestation has not declined in the meanwhile...I'd suggest that with the existence of the internet in YK2, as opposed to the pre internet era, a smaller percentage of punters are ignorant about pricing & "romance scams". In 2014 hobbyists are better informed because of the world wide web than they were in 2004.
I doubt that two week millionaires are any thing new to the scene since it inception decades ago.
By your stats Thai P4P pricing has almost doubled, increased 100 percent, since 2004. You claim the farang market has seen much higher increases & most of these have occurred since 2008. Yet streetwalker rates around NEP have remained unchanged since 2007, with the quality IME being constant, & the HIV rates probably way lower.
HIV rates in Siam among P4P female sex workers was much higher 5, 10 & especially 20 years ago. It hit its pinnacle around 1994, the year some here consider to be the heyday of P4P in LOS. LOL. Back then you also didn't have the advanced testing & meds that are available today. HIV was more or less a death sentence.
http://www.unaids.org/en/Regionscountries/Countries/Thailand/
http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-thailand.htm
Lord Necros
04-30-14, 14:02
well i had my fun in bangkok.
this here is a diary of sorts of my 1st day in thailand. its going to be a bit long winded, as most of my frs generally are.
before i begin, i will give a bit of perspective on my fr, by telling about myself. i am what some may call a "management" type. of indian origin.
so i reached bangkok early in the morning and took the public transport to bts nana.
on reaching nana bts, i checked into my hotel, the icheck inn nana.
a bit of review about this hotel. i absolutely loved it. its location is perfect. it is withing 100 mtr of the bts station and right next door to the world famous mongering temples like eden club and dr. bj's. its a newly constructed one and the rooms are clean and modern and for the price, darned good. also, considering that they advertise their hotel as an "adult" hotel, its absolutely gf. but wait, there's more. the bathroom is separated from the bedroom by a sheet of glass. so if you get a girl there, you can always watch her bath from your bed. _.
overall, really impressed with this hotel and it will likely be my regular port of staying whenever i am in thailand.
as a first timer to thailand, i had some fun observations. the roadsides around nana are littered with hawkers selling stuff like viagra, cialis and cheap plasticky sex toys. seeing rows upon rows of dildoes out in the open footpath kinda made me giggle a bit. i am pretty sure i'l be getting a fleshlight as a memento of this trip.
the other observations was about touts. i seem to be some kind of tout-magnet (or maybe i look that sleazy?). it was hard to walk 10 feet without someone promising "hot model massage" on the road. at first i would smile and say no and try to walk past them. later i learned to just tune them out.
anyway, after checking in i rested a while and late noon decided to go say hello to my next door neighbors. i walked into eden club. the guy at the bar asked me if he can help me.
this question fucked me over. i replied " i am here to partake in the activities."
for a surreal moment, i hoped that i could burrow into the ground. the guy just raised his eyebrows.
"i heard i can pick 2 girls here". i tried again. if i had any spaghetti in pockets, this would be the time for them to fall out.
thankfully, the guy (micky) took over then. gave me a short run down of the place and called for the lineup. i chose the prettiest (and nicest body) girl on the bum-bum side of the line. her name was dao.
here micky, thinking me to be the rank novice i was acting like, asked her to choose another girl. she tried choosing one from the no-fun side of the line, before i corrected her and told her to pick from the other side. well she picked a rather older girl who was certainly not a hottie. but since this was my first time there, i decided to go with the flow. her name was pat (phat?)
we retired to the room on top of the bar. its a nice small room, the majority of which was covered by a bed. mirrors hung on the either side of the bed and on the ceiling.
the girls asked me if they can have a drink and i agreed. i also got them to get a smoke for me.
after we had settled down a bit and done 10 mins of chit chat, dao took me into the attached bathroom. there she washed me and then herself. i was soaped all over and my genitelia and my sweet virgin asshole was diligently cleaned. i asked dao if i can "[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)" on her and she agreed. i then had the most awkward urination of my since i attained puberty.
once i was dried we went to the bed and pat went in to bathe herself.
i wouldn't detail the action much now but dao gave me a nice blowjob. pat didn't have much to offer lookswise but was clearly more experienced and enthusiastic.
dao had bolted on tits and a nice toned body which i found fascinating. dao also had a tendency to do the fake moans a lot which i wasn't too fond of. both girls were ok with dfk. both also ate my ass which i absolutely loved. overall service was great. i know a lot of people fault these girls to be mechanical in their service, but i found both of them to be very pleasant. it helps if you chit chat with them a bit beforehand. both spoke decent english. and most importantly they were both very nice and willing to accommodate me.
once done i paid my dues at the counter and left the place. wir? yeah. i liked the idea of a place where i didn't have to discuss or negotiate. just plop down the fixed rate and do the deed.
one thing which i didn't like is that the girls took a damned bath after every event. over all they both took 3-4 baths in that 90 mins. started to make me feel very unhygenic. . .
The other day I got lucky. Ran into a girl near NEP in BKK who was the best DFK I've ever had on planet earth, whether LOS, Canada or SG. She also did BBBJ with her sexy Angelina Jolie sized lips for a long time, massaged my weiner between her largish tits without even a request for this, & asked what else I'd like. She was kissing me all over & rubbing her knockers everywhere. All that was just the warmup for the main event. Although she was by no means the best looking girl ever, and not my prefered slim body, it was one of the top rated sessions I've ever experienced.
Asking price? You guessed it, the dirt cheap 1000 baht per hour.
Which leads me to ask, what is this PSE you speak of? Something like this:
"Porn Star Experience. A term used to describe a sexual encouter where the partner exibited certain porn-like characteristics. Usually including such things as: Talking Dirty, CIM (cum in mouth) , a general knowledge of sexual positions and willingness to sexually please."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pse
Out of the 4 items listed, the last two are of interest to me, though I can think of quite a few others to add to the list & which are preferable & I've often experienced in BKK every year since 2007. Well over 1000 days in all.When I moved here 95% of my sessions were that good. And all 1k baht or less.
The Bangkok sex industry is not limited to the establishments that cater mostly to foreigners (and preferably, the most gullible ones). Actually, I wouldn't regret most of these venues (especially the go-go bars) if they were disappearing tomorrow, because they have now become outrageous ripoffs where only people who have more money than sense can get satisfaction without noticing how their owners and service providers are taking them for ignorant fools!
As another ISG member has already written it, the profit margins are (outrageously) high in the P4P establisments located in popular tourist areas. Moreover, the prices have increased at a much higher pace than how prices have in Thai venues, especially since year 2008.
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Oh, and by the way, well-behaved Westerners are welcome in Thai venues (from low to high-end ones). Of course, you have to know the ropes and it might be difficult if you can't speak at least some basic Thai, but they are not forbidden to the white-skinned, long-nosed visitors. I know some places where Arabs and Indians are not welcome though (yeah, it's xenophobic and based on stupid prejudice) , but I have yet to find a true "Thai-only" establishment. If they exist, they are far than being numerous compared to the large amounts of Thai venues that accept Western guests (and also other foreigners hopefully).I, too, couldn't care less if the go-gos, etc, disappeared overnight. They're a hangover from the Vietnam era. And, they tend to be lousy strip clubs, which was sort of their main attraction. Pre-crackdown most go-gos were chock full of nekkid, or nearly so, ladies. Today, not so much.
Stickman had an interview with a famous bar owner a couple of weeks back. He (the owner) stated that the margins today are nowhere near what they were several years ago. It seems most of the increased cost is in the girls' salaries. Of course, he wouldn't discuss the police payoffs, so I have no idea what those have done over the years. The point was that a go-go is no longer a license to print money. Good riddance, I say.
I agree with the Thai venues. Of the few I've been in, farang (not the kee nok variety) were certainly welcome. The only "-only" places I've ever seen in LOS were Japanese-only clubs.
Western787
04-30-14, 21:12
I, too, couldn't care less if the go-gos, etc, disappeared overnight. They're a hangover from the Vietnam era. And, they tend to be lousy strip clubs, which was sort of their main attraction. Pre-crackdown most go-gos were chock full of nekkid, or nearly so, ladies. Today, not so much.
Stickman had an interview with a famous bar owner a couple of weeks back. He (the owner) stated that the margins today are nowhere near what they were several years ago. It seems most of the increased cost is in the girls' salaries. Of course, he wouldn't discuss the police payoffs, so I have no idea what those have done over the years. The point was that a go-go is no longer a license to print money. Good riddance, I say.
I agree with the Thai venues. Of the few I've been in, farang (not the kee nok variety) were certainly welcome. The only "-only" places I've ever seen in LOS were Japanese-only clubs.
Go Go's? Lousy strip clubs? Strip club patrons can only wish strip clubs were anything near as good. And if they disappeared? it would be a major hit to the entire Bangkok P4P experience. More than anything THEY are the (globally recognized) core visual element of the entire industry, the very symbol of Bangkok in terms of the adult entertainment business. Taking them away would be like Disney losing Mickey Mouse.
Strip Clubs in the states, for example even the big ones in New York City, are typically only going to have a very small number of girls on stage at any given time vs Go Go's like Rainbow 4 or Baccarra who routinely have 30 to 40 girls on stage all with a number and virtually all available for takeout, with their stage presence almost overwhelming the senses of the average patron walking in. Even small Go Go's routinely have 8 to 15 girls on stage. Strip clubs are basically just a tease, and attractive strippers also offering FS are few and far between, and will typically cost you 3 to 5 timers the cost of Bangkok Go Go girls, for a session sometimes lasting as short as 15 minutes, and usually behind only a curtain.
Go Go girls are not necessarily good value for FS compared to other Bangkok options like FL's and Oil girls, but in terms of entertainment and the in-club experience, they are hard to match.
Now in regard to the huge numbers of Coyotes now working in the clubs, probably 80% are in fact available for OTC, so they are really (hybrid)"Coyote-take out" girls, Yes, the barfine portion itself will at least be double, but its still cheap compared to the west. Now there are still pure Coyotes, some that don't seem to even dance like the scrawny barely 18 year old (doorgirl) Coyotes working outside the "Arab's" Bars in Soi Cowboy, but that's not really reflective of the larger emerging (hybrid) Coyote trend going on, which if anything is keeping the supply of P4P girls higher than it otherwise might be, as most of these girls once they taste the big money rarely want to go back to normal work, unless they find their rich dudes.
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