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GS,
You seem more addicted to the forum than to sex itself. LOL. I thought the ISG was only for sex addicts. Right now I have a 2 week period with probably no sex. This is a bit tough. My mind is still on sex daily. Maybe that is your problem too.
I probably try to average 4 screws per week. So I believe it is a serious addiction level although can go a few days without one. I don't have to screw just anybody. I specialize in seriously pretty girls or nice lookers known to be excellent.
It's probably something to do with having a bad sex life when I was married. I enjoy trying to make girls completely lose control and I still like looking at beautiful naked girls with a drink even if not going to fuck them.
Conversation with a girl is not important. My GF is much better at talking than listening. LOL. Not uncommon. She teaches me all the Buddhist philosophies to the extent it gets a bit Ho Hum.
You generally can't have rational arguments with girls. I prefer to fuck them instead, if they are pretty. Living alone doesn't bother me at all. I do that for 70% of the year. Love the peace and quiet.
I have a quandary. There are one or two super lookers at Crazy House I want to fuck, but I am also interested to try my favourite waitress on the bed, but a little scared that this may spoil the relationship. If I take her out drinking alcohol I won't be a be to perform that well. I could still DATY though till morning rectifies the dick weakness.Nah, never really been a sex addict. I do know some guys who are well into their 50's that are still doing 3 gals a day. I would label them sex addicts for sure.
I had a really great sex life when I was married. In fact, all my girlfriends in the states were great when it came to sex. Never went wanting. But they all had other issues, which I am sure led them to be great in the sack and pretty awful at relationships. Having great sex at home is certainly not a priority here in Thailand. There are far more important things in choosing a mate. Sex is a very small part of it for me, especially living in LOS. Complementary personalities, brains, ability to converse, shared sense of humor, independence, all far outweigh sex. Unless the relationship is unhealthy the sex will fade. Folks just have a hard time keeping interest. I also know that what I am attracted to sexually is not necessarily the type of gal that makes for a good relationship.
This duality and tension is why women hate P4 P: power, freedom of the male and clarity of what relationships really mean if they fail to meet basic needs and we are not enough of a priority. The P4 P girls are catalysts for this epiphany. That is an existential issue and so why their reaction is so strong.
Like so many here, I'm transitioning from the fairytale that underwrites female power to being a free agent, real friends for emotional and intellectual needs where I find them and P4 P other bits, decoupling the notion a female can cover it all. Some might, but the majority do not.
Let's celebrate our freedom and choice. Tell the feminazis to sod off with their jedi mind games. Enough said, time to focus on hotties having their tonsils massaged and skin tingling pleasure. We only live once.Last night I was drinking with some friends in a bar down in Pattaya. One friend told us about a guy who he knows back home. Said the guy's fat ass wife didn't give him sex for three months because he forgot to cut the grass.
Some guys take to long to get it. There like a lazy dog who is laying on a nail. They suffer, moan and groan, but they won't get up because it doesn't hurt bad enough yet.
I've gotten up. LOL.
FreebieFan
07-03-14, 08:38
Some guys take to long to get it. There like a lazy dog who is laying on a nail. They suffer, moan and groan, but they won't get up because it doesn't hurt bad enough yet.
I've gotten up. LOL.Me too, and now in my 50's I'm having the time of my life. I have never been happier, both physically and emotionally, from the outside and the inside.
Coming and going when I like, seeing who I like when I like, taking vacations to wherever I like, having as many ladyfriends as I like. Its BLISS!
Western787
07-03-14, 11:28
GS,
I probably try to average 4 screws per week. So I believe it is a serious addiction level although can go a few days without one. I don't have to screw just anybody. I specialize in seriously pretty girls or nice lookers known to be excellent.
While I think Bangkok has some good P4P years left, at some point the ballbusters will take control of the country, and among other places Nana Plaza will be turned into a Reeducation Gulag to torture western sex addicts. The only available sex will be from the women guards imported from the west: http://jtajchert.w.interia.pl/fotografie/belsen/lisiewicz.jpg
DenSloeber
07-03-14, 13:45
Yesterday, I have been to Suzie Wong. They seemed to have nice shows to watch. I went to Baccara afterwards, amazingly looking girls, but no show. I go there with my Thai gf, so I can't really bring a girl back to my hotel, so I prefer a good show over beautifull girls.
Been to spankys too at nana entertainment, it was nice too.
So, any recommendations?
Yesterday, I have been to Suzie Wong. They seemed to have nice shows to watch. I went to Baccara afterwards, amazingly looking girls, but no show. I go there with my Thai gf, so I can't really bring a girl back to my hotel, so I prefer a good show over beautifull girls.
Been to spankys too at nana entertainment, it was nice too.
So, any recommendations?Check out Long Gun and Rawhide in Soi Cowboy and AngelWitch in Nana.
So, any recommendations?Sure. If she's in cowboy bars with you she's either a hooker or wants to be. No self respecting Thai woman would be caught anywhere near go-go's, especially with a falang.
Tell her she's going to make your fantasy come true by picking a girl she likes and the 3 of you have a great night. If you promise her some expensive shoes or clothes instead of hard cash it will reduce her shyness she'll feel like less of a working girl.
Sure. If she's in cowboy bars with you she's either a hooker or wants to be. No self respecting Thai woman would be caught anywhere near go-go's, especially with a falang.
Tell her she's going to make your fantasy come true by picking a girl she likes and the 3 of you have a great night. If you promise her some expensive shoes or clothes instead of hard cash it will reduce her shyness she'll feel like less of a working girl.Other then for a Threesome, bringing a girl to a go go is bringing along deadweight.
I had a really great sex life when I was married. In fact, all my girlfriends in the states were great when it came to sex. Never went wanting. But they all had other issues, which I am sure led them to be great in the sack and pretty awful at relationships. Having great sex at home is certainly not a priority here in Thailand. There are far more important things in choosing a mate. Sex is a very small part of it for me, especially living in LOS. Complementary personalities, brains, ability to converse, shared sense of humor, independence, all far outweigh sex. Unless the relationship is unhealthy the sex will fade. Folks just have a hard time keeping interest. I also know that what I am attracted to sexually is not necessarily the type of gal that makes for a good relationship.Bingo!! Hit the nail on the head. That last sentence is SOOOO true!!
Check out Long Gun and Rawhide in Soi Cowboy and Angelwitch in Nana.By all means try these for the shows. I still go to Long Gun occasionally. The shows are boring me though. I suppose its only because I got used to far better shows with rather professional dancers who used to work there a few years back. The super dancers are no more, and its amateur stuff now. However still some girls dancing nude. I like one rather immature girl who has almost zero English, Whip is her name. The blonde short haired girl has been there for many years, but still looks good.
I also get bored by Spanky's shows pretty quickly too, and all the slapping doesn't do a bit for me. The number of really hot girls in Spanky's is very limited. So understand I am more into very beautiful naked girls. Suzi still has the best shows if you want erotic style shows. Crazy House has the odd show upstairs on busy nights, but I don't bother to watch it. I stay downstairs with the hot naked girls.
At Suzi Wong there are just a few girls with bodies hot enough to get my attention, like Noo Dee, Anne, sisters Knot and Em, even a couple with hardly any tits. I can have a lot of fun with girls at SW and take away "lesbian" pairs. The also a lot of flabby assed girls. At Crazy House there are significantly higher percentage worth looking at but SW girls are a much better bet if you want to BF them.
Baccarat and Sharks bore me, as girls don't play up to the customers much (at least maybe not to me), and are too plastic looking for my preference. Even the hair styles are a big turn off for me. Nice natural looks hard to find, so just not enough girls I want to look at, despite others saying how wonderful the girls are there. I just don't get it. Even my Japanese friend went to Baccarat, and didn't like it. He prefers the Thermae, where you can have much more fun interaction with a girl (mainly for Japanese these days), and picked up a very nice natural looking GF there. I was impressed with his taste.
The bar scene has seriously declined over the years, or I just got a lot fussier. Probably more of the later. However in former years Long Gun definitely had a few very beautiful girls. Not so much now. Many years back I used to like Lollipop, Pretty Lady and Voodoo in Nana Plaza, but my visits to Nana these days do not persuade me to visit more often. Even Rainbow and Rainbow 4 is not really my style of bar. Seems harder to have fun there, and harder to find the right girl. Maybe R4 is just too big for me. Many girls with quite good bodies but the faces and personalities usually don't convince me.
I understand though that for many guys, young = beautiful. I just don't understand this. Most of the faces are so rather average with very heavy makeup. You see more stunning girls on the subway. LOL. I saw a stunning Thai girl on BTS recently with her two Thai sons, one a teenager.
Bingo!! Hit the nail on the head. That last sentence is SOOOO true!!Yes it makes a lot more sense to outsource the sex part. However, personally I don't see a lot of point in a girlfriend unless I want to fuck her too. Otherwise would just be a sister / friend. I am happy enough when alone. I don't need someone to listen to me yak, and am also not keen to spend that much time listening to a woman ramble on and on either.
A former Thai GF in Germany, was great in bed, but too hectic as a person. Hyperactive. Maybe was an age gap problem. Always too much on the agenda for each day and liable to make snap decisions requiring better judgement. The thought of listening to her yak 24/7 was too much for me. I have got used to peace and quiet.
Many women don't actually want the man to say anything much except "yes, yes, yes dear". To be honest I know some guys who can't hit the pause button when talking too.
Spent about a week in Bangkok.
Went to CM2 at the Novotel, Siam.
Spotted an Uzbeki girl. Took her for the night.
She was quite a tigress in bed.
Lots of biting, kissing and playing with my privates.
Good hard sex in various positions.
Cost Bh2500.
Wow, there are so many variables there I don't know where to begin. When I moved here at 34 I was out at the bars and FL venues taking a gal at least 4 times a week. On trips out of BKK with the boys twice a day was not unheard of.
Now I am about 12 months shy of 50 and I am quite a bit different. I partake at the oilies about once ever 10 days or so. A good two shots will satiate me for that time. Well you ask, don't I get horny more often? Answer is yes, but truth be told there are several different reasons why I don't act on it as much. First, I don't find the same type of gals attractive as I did when I moved over here. The hard Isaan look just does not appeal to me anymore. Has not for years. I see gals at the mall, coming out of offices, and at restaurants that I would love to do. Most, hell, 99% would not give me the time of day. They want a boyfriend near their age as most have their own money. Secondly, I just don't want to interact with gals I have very little to converse about with. That is why I go to the oilies...In my mid 50's now, but only a few years ago when in Thailand I'd have a girl almost every day. In recent times it's more like once a week, for a number of reasons:
First, the sex drive is down significantly.
Second, the health is declining so I'm often not up to it.
Third, having done it all already with stunners galore, I am more inclined to take care of my own needs while at the same time recollecting ladies I've had. Older people tend to be able to live more off of their past. Young people have no experience & memories, so don't have that to feed off of.
Fourth, I can be thrilled just looking at female bods, while in the past it would frustrate me that I couldn't have those I was seeing. Now it just stokes the fires as a buildup in anticipation for the next lay.
Fifth, I'm less likely than before to try a new girl, even if she's hot. I'm more likely to go for & wait for ladies who have performed well before. If they're not available I'll pass & be content to look at porn & take care of myself.
It makes me happy after a decade of heavy hobbying to finally see the bankroll increasing. I'm glad that those with poor attitudes & horrific performances are no longer "stealing" it like objects of charity.
I still find many of the Thai Isaan working ladies very attractive, just as 7 years ago. No change there. Although at times I crave white skinned gals, which trips to Singapore or wanking to online Japanese porn satisfies.
Of late I've found that the quality of the ladies performance has been improved. It's no surprise as this seems typical of LOS when times are tough & there are way fewer customers around. It's a buyer's market.
I still choose girls based on the FFF formula for female body riding. Find, fuck & forget. I've never been interested in conversing with them about anything, whether higher education topics or life in rural Siam. That's what the internet is for.
First, the sex drive is down significantly.
Second, the health is declining so I'm often not up to it.
Third, having done it all already with stunners galore, I am more inclined to take care of my own needs while at the same time recollecting ladies I've had.
Fifth, I'm less likely than before to try a new girl, even if she's hot. I'm more likely to go for & wait for ladies who have performed well before. We may well be all vastly different. I am late 50's but most girls think 40's. I think it helps I have not much stress (spilt from wife over 20 years ago), also still plenty of hair on head and grey hasn't taken over, so its deceptive. My working life won't be over for plenty of years yet.
I would recommend to all guys that are heavy, to lose weight. I am now 10 Kgs. Below my highest weight and was down an extra 4 Kgs at one point. This makes having sex so much easier, not carrying excessive weight. Losing weight is not truly difficult. Its simply about eating nutritious food, meats, fish, and vegetables, and get rid of all the highly processed stuff in packets, bottles, jars, cans, etc. Get rid of all the high sugar foods (and that includes orange juice) and all the other high carbohydrate stuff, starchy foods like rice, potatoes, etc. Eat sensible portions, not till you can't eat any more. Losing 1 Kg. Every two weeks is not a difficult target, without exercise or doing anything extreme. I don't eat much bread or noodles, or pasta, and don't miss them. I mostly cook my own food so I know what is in it. Eating food prepared by Thais is risky as they spoon in the sugar. My main Carbs is cooked rolled Oats for breakfast (not too big). I also try to avoid poly-unsaturated oils, but that is not a weight loss topic. Consider the "cave-man" diet. It works and has some sense to it. Bad diet could be a major contributor to many diseases especially for older people.
I don't have the time to waste trying lots of new girls, so I also tend to repeat good ones. I will try a new girl if my favourites list is getting too low, or the girl is just unbelievably compelling for one reason or another. In my recent period in Thailand, I only tried two new girls, from memory, and one was a 10. By this method, I have relatively few poor sex sessions, unless I am sick. I agree its not easy to have the very best sex, if you are suffering from a virus.
I don't really forget girls, until they disappear, their service declines, or there is really some reason not to like them any more. Don't have any concern about skin colour, brown or white its all fine. Beauty is shape rather than colour. A pretty girl could spray herself blue, and she would still be pretty. Think of Mystique in X-men. LOL. Still hot. My favourites are brown, white, and in between. I don't like altered girls who start to look like lady-boys though. When the shape is unnatural it spoils my appreciation. Even some girls I have repeated, the fake nose still disturbs me just a little, as it just doesn't look right. A very good nose job or tit job where shape is not too strange can be accepted. Unfortunately most are none too subtle.
Can't see myself getting down to being happy with one fuck per week. However I haven't really fully understood the motivation behind the sex addiction, other than it surely is a lot of fun, mostly. There are not too many things that I would gladly choose over the chance to paly with a super hot girl. Certainly not food, alcohol, sport, work, etc. This is the nature of sex addiction, I think. When it is the preferred activity, regardless of current energy level. However at least I can pass if there is no girl hot enough available. I haven't got so bad that I must have sex every day.
The most amazing girls I ever had, will stay in the memory for ever. Unfortunately the two best most memorable girls I ever had were just one session each, before they disappeared. That is depressing. No phone number to contact them again. Bad mistake.
I don't really understand the other guys with a different addiction, where they seem to be trying to fuck as many different girls as possible in the life, the primal need to sow seed and impregnate as many girls as possible, and like have to get a new one every time. For me, doing girls several times, usually improves the experience for the first few repeats as you get to know what the other person likes, and get very relaxed with each other.
Can't see myself getting down to being happy with one fuck per week.
I'm usually just as happy, or more happy, with masturbating. As in, for example, the other 6 days a week, for an hour each day. The only time I need to see a chick is when I crave some physical intimacy. I don't need girls to get off. In fact my goal with them has nothing to do with "finishing", which I rarely do, and everything to do with the sensations of sex prior to cumming. Of course I can enjoy the same by myself.
Before I used to come to Thailand after not having a woman for months. Then I'd binge on them & overdo it. Now I pace myself which I much prefer. Being in Asia all the time now I find that is easier to do with much more convenient access to them. And of course way cheaper prices.
The most amazing girls I ever had, will stay in the memory for ever. Unfortunately the two best most memorable girls I ever had were just one session each, before they disappeared. That is depressing. No phone number to contact them again. Bad mistake.I've experienced so many amazing girls, I don't know who would be the top two. It would be more like the top 20. If you include internet porn, more like 200 or 2000. They are downloaded into my memory, for when I am jerking off or having sex with a girl or just want to think about something that makes me happy. Other than that, I don't think about them, don't miss them.
There will always be others & new experiences rather than the "same same" all the time. Although after you've been with so many & done everything & every position imaginable, it can get more dificult to find something that isn't a repeat of what you've already done a hundred times. Whereas in the endless oceans of internet porn, you have much more that is new to see, experience & learn from. Things you can bring into your sessions with the ladies.
DenSloeber
07-05-14, 11:01
Well, this vacation of mine turned out to be quite different than what I planned to do, LOL.
I added somewhat over 60 girls on my line I'd from Thai friendly and planned to fuck as many as possible, as well as go to massage parlors, street hookers ('freelancers') and a few go go bar girls (that one brown chick from Suzie Wong, a girl from Laos, teeth like a horse. She is smoking hot, I got to have that booty). So that was my plan. In reality? I met this one non-prostitute girl working in victory monument and I'm just spending all my time with her. She is one of the skinniest girls I know (I really love them skinny, like borderline anorexic), she can speak great English (I bet she fucks a lot of farang, cause how else would she speak this good LOL) and most important of all, this girl is a beast in bed. I'm talking about bareback, deepthroat, blow jobs, cumming in the month, on her face, pussy, anal sex (extreme tight ass), she gives rim jobs, fucks me 9 times a day (3 in morning, 3 during day, 3 before sleep). Yesterday, she stick her tong in my ear for 1 fucking hour, just licking and sucking on it as if her life depended on it. And Monday we are going to get ourselves checked for std, so I can enter her ass without condom. Did I hit the jackpot here or is this more common in Thailand, haha: the No wonder why its so popular with expats.
But there is an obvious downside: I'm fucking the same pussy everyday. I came to BKK last week and so far have fucked 2 different pussies and got 3 blow jobs from dr blowjob. That's it. I have conflicted feelings about this. I don't want to go back home to Belgium and say to myself: did I really fuck only 2 different girls in one month? But on the other hand, no girl provided me with this kinda sex as ever before. This one chick I pounded from Hilary 4 Nana (2000 baht short time) didn't even wanted to suck my dick, says she doesn't do sucking. And some girls don't suck without condom I have been told. With that in mind, I have literally zero reason to dump my chick for these hookers.
My 2 cents.
WarmStone25
07-05-14, 11:56
We may well be all vastly different. I am late 50's but most girls think 40's. I think it helps I have not much stress (spilt from wife over 20 years ago), also still plenty of hair on head and grey hasn't taken over, so its deceptive. My working life won't be over for plenty of years yet.
I would recommend to all guys that are heavy, to lose weight. I am now 10 Kgs. Below my highest weight and was down an extra 4 Kgs at one point. This makes having sex so much easier, not carrying excessive weight. Losing weight is not truly difficult. Its simply about eating nutritious food, meats, fish, and vegetables, and get rid of all the highly processed stuff in packets, bottles, jars, cans, etc. Get rid of all the high sugar foods (and that includes orange juice) and all the other high carbohydrate stuff, starchy foods like rice, potatoes, etc. Eat sensible portions, not till you can't eat any more. Losing 1 Kg. Every two weeks is not a difficult target, without exercise or doing anything extreme. I don't eat much bread or noodles, or pasta, and don't miss them. I mostly cook my own food so I know what is in it. Eating food prepared by Thais is risky as they spoon in the sugar. My main Carbs is cooked rolled Oats for breakfast (not too big). I also try to avoid poly-unsaturated oils, but that is not a weight loss topic. Consider the "cave-man" diet. It works and has some sense to it. Bad diet could be a major contributor to many diseases especially for older people.
I don't have the time to waste trying lots of new girls, so I also tend to repeat good ones. I will try a new girl if my favourites list is getting too low, or the girl is just unbelievably compelling for one reason or another. In my recent period in Thailand, I only tried two new girls, from memory, and one was a 10. By this method, I have relatively few poor sex sessions, unless I am sick. I agree its not easy to have the very best sex, if you are suffering from a virus.
I don't really forget girls, until they disappear, their service declines, or there is really some reason not to like them any more. Don't have any concern about skin colour, brown or white its all fine. Beauty is shape rather than colour. A pretty girl could spray herself blue, and she would still be pretty. Think of Mystique in X-men. LOL. Still hot. My favourites are brown, white, and in between. I don't like altered girls who start to look like lady-boys though. When the shape is unnatural it spoils my appreciation. Even some girls I have repeated, the fake nose still disturbs me just a little, as it just doesn't look right. A very good nose job or tit job where shape is not too strange can be accepted. Unfortunately most are none too subtle.
Can't see myself getting down to being happy with one fuck per week. However I haven't really fully understood the motivation behind the sex addiction, other than it surely is a lot of fun, mostly. There are not too many things that I would gladly choose over the chance to paly with a super hot girl. Certainly not food, alcohol, sport, work, etc. This is the nature of sex addiction, I think. When it is the preferred activity, regardless of current energy level. However at least I can pass if there is no girl hot enough available. I haven't got so bad that I must have sex every day.
The most amazing girls I ever had, will stay in the memory for ever. Unfortunately the two best most memorable girls I ever had were just one session each, before they disappeared. That is depressing. No phone number to contact them again. Bad mistake.
I don't really understand the other guys with a different addiction, where they seem to be trying to fuck as many different girls as possible in the life, the primal need to sow seed and impregnate as many girls as possible, and like have to get a new one every time. For me, doing girls several times, usually improves the experience for the first few repeats as you get to know what the other person likes, and get very relaxed with each other.Is 10 kgs your real weight?
Ralph Kramden
07-05-14, 13:54
We may well be all vastly different. I am late 50's but most girls think 40's. I think it helps I have not much stress (spilt from wife over 20 years ago), also still plenty of hair on head and grey hasn't taken over, so its deceptive. My working life won't be over for plenty of years yet.
I would recommend to all guys that are heavy, to lose weight. I am now 10 Kgs. Below my highest weight and was down an extra 4 Kgs at one point. This makes having sex so much easier, not carrying excessive weight. Losing weight is not truly difficult. Its simply about eating nutritious food, meats, fish, and vegetables, and get rid of all the highly processed stuff in packets, bottles, jars, cans, etc. Get rid of all the high sugar foods (and that includes orange juice) and all the other high carbohydrate stuff, starchy foods like rice, potatoes, etc. Eat sensible portions, not till you can't eat any more. Losing 1 Kg. Every two weeks is not a difficult target, without exercise or doing anything extreme. I don't eat much bread or noodles, or pasta, and don't miss them. I mostly cook my own food so I know what is in it. Eating food prepared by Thais is risky as they spoon in the sugar. My main Carbs is cooked rolled Oats for breakfast (not too big). I also try to avoid poly-unsaturated oils, but that is not a weight loss topic. Consider the "cave-man" diet. It works and has some sense to it. Bad diet could be a major contributor to many diseases especially for older people.
I don't have the time to waste trying lots of new girls, so I also tend to repeat good ones. I will try a new girl if my favourites list is getting too low, or the girl is just unbelievably compelling for one reason or another. In my recent period in Thailand, I only tried two new girls, from memory, and one was a 10. By this method, I have relatively few poor sex sessions, unless I am sick. I agree its not easy to have the very best sex, if you are suffering from a virus.
I don't really forget girls, until they disappear, their service declines, or there is really some reason not to like them any more. Don't have any concern about skin colour, brown or white its all fine. Beauty is shape rather than colour. A pretty girl could spray herself blue, and she would still be pretty. Think of Mystique in X-men. LOL. Still hot. My favourites are brown, white, and in between. I don't like altered girls who start to look like lady-boys though. When the shape is unnatural it spoils my appreciation. Even some girls I have repeated, the fake nose still disturbs me just a little, as it just doesn't look right. A very good nose job or tit job where shape is not too strange can be accepted. Unfortunately most are none too subtle.
Can't see myself getting down to being happy with one fuck per week. However I haven't really fully understood the motivation behind the sex addiction, other than it surely is a lot of fun, mostly. There are not too many things that I would gladly choose over the chance to paly with a super hot girl. Certainly not food, alcohol, sport, work, etc. This is the nature of sex addiction, I think. When it is the preferred activity, regardless of current energy level. However at least I can pass if there is no girl hot enough available. I haven't got so bad that I must have sex every day.
The most amazing girls I ever had, will stay in the memory for ever. Unfortunately the two best most memorable girls I ever had were just one session each, before they disappeared. That is depressing. No phone number to contact them again. Bad mistake.
I don't really understand the other guys with a different addiction, where they seem to be trying to fuck as many different girls as possible in the life, the primal need to sow seed and impregnate as many girls as possible, and like have to get a new one every time. For me, doing girls several times, usually improves the experience for the first few repeats as you get to know what the other person likes, and get very relaxed with each other.I appreciate your recipe for life Syzygies, and at about your same age am on the same path myself. The P4 P sex scene where I live here in Japan is vastly different than in BKK as far as price goes so I limit myself to once per week. But of course I enjoy my once or twice per year visits LOS for a one week orgy of sex. I envy you somewhat in that respect.
I appreciate your recipe for life Syzygies, and at about your same age am on the same path myself. The P4 P sex scene where I live here in Japan is vastly different than in BKK as far as price goes so I limit myself to once per week. But of course I enjoy my once or twice per year visits LOS for a one week orgy of sex. I envy you somewhat in that respect.Actually I am in Thailand only 4 months per year. So my intake of sex varies too. I don't get sex everyday in Thailand either. I prefer more frequent very brief orgy days. Too much sex actually starts to get a bit pointless. Its better to be a bit desperate for it.
Ralph:
Is Seiki 21 still open? I remember it being very difficult to find P4 P as a white man in Japan. If I lived in JApan I would try to get over to BKK as often as possible.
Is 10 kgs your real weight?10 Kg below. Auto correction software likes to mash things.
There will always be others & new experiences rather than the "same same" all the time. Although after you've been with so many & done everything & every position imaginable, it can get more dificult to find something that isn't a repeat of what you've already done a hundred times. Whereas in the endless oceans of internet porn, you have much more that is new to see, experience & learn from. Things you can bring into your sessions with the ladies.
i think some guys get a bit warped wanting to do repulsive things due to copying porn movies. i think guys should decide for themselves and considering what the girl likes. I dont consider porn to be good training at all, in general. Sure its useful to wank to.
my most memorable girls were due to the sheer passion that they approached sex and coupled in one case with abnormally stunning looks, so that she could be labelled a dream girl. i never had the chance to get bored with her.
There is one girl I still enjoy to occasionally fuck after nearly 20 years, and she wasn't a dream girl. She was once a hooker but retired many years ago, but still likes to get a bit of variety from her regular Partner. So we have a date once in a while for dinner and sex. I don't have a strong need to make every sex session totally unique. i dont see why guys get bored so easily. i do have some things i might do in sex that surprises girls though, like differences from all other guys, certainly not following a porn recipe.
Some things that are nice may be just not dirty enough for porn. Like i don't see two girls tongues probing one guy's mouth at the same time in porn. However i think its great. I am not going to give away my more unusual secret practices. I like to be unique without any copy cats. but not great at going the distance. She seems exhausted after about 6 to 8 orgasms when I only get one.
Ralph Kramden
07-06-14, 02:50
Ralph:
Is Seiki 21 still open? I remember it being very difficult to find P4 P as a white man in Japan. If I lived in JApan I would try to get over to BKK as often as possible.I have not heard the name on the Japan board so it might well be closed. P4 P sex has improved greatly for white men in Japan during the 16 years I have lived here but it is still expensive and Japanese language skills are often necessary. I certainly like BKK for a change of pace, sort of like a kid in a candy store with a wad of cash.
I think some guys get a bit warped wanting to do repulsive things due to copying porn movies.I met a super hot girl at NPL who said she liked to watch animal porn. Not my cup of tea. As a travel agent she spoke excellent English, but had quite a lot of attitude.
my most memorable girls were due to the sheer passion that they approached sex and coupled in one case with abnormally stunning looks, so that she could be labelled a dream girl. i never had the chance to get bored with her...I find girls who act passionate, whether fake or not, are often a distraction that impedes my own enjoyment of the session. I can also do without the claws or teeth digging into my body, lips & genital areas.
Those who want a passionate GFE are advised to seek out PI girls outside of the PI. Such is relatively rare in places like LOS, SG, and China.
There is one girl I still enjoy to occasionally fuck after nearly 20 years, and she wasn't a dream girl. She was once a hooker but retired many years ago, but still likes to get a bit of variety from her regular Partner. So we have a date once in a while for dinner and sex. I don't have a strong need to make every sex session totally unique. i dont see why guys get bored so easily. i do have some things i might do in sex that surprises girls though, like differences from all other guys, certainly not following a porn recipe.Evidently she's bored enough in her sex life to engage at least one other partner from her regular.
As I see it sex is like eating food. If you're hungry, you eat. If not, you don't. If you're bored with eating steak every day, you try something else.
Personally I like sex every day, but most of the time by myself. A big part of the reason for that is that people, even hookers you see for only an hour or a few, can get on your nerves. IOW they easily bore me.
Secondly, banging away in missionary for 2 hours a day would surely mess up my arms & dick head even more than they already are. Masturbation using the shaft is a better idea. This speaks to the health issues I refered to in another post, which was not about my general state of health, fitness or diet.
Third, if I'm with a girl, I'm only seeing one body engaged in a few activities. That's boring relative to having an autoerotic porn session seeing hundreds of history's most sexy bods doing everything imaginable under the sun.
The monetary savings & STI safety are added bonuses, besides avoiding all the hassles necessary to preparing for a happy time with a girl.
Quality rather than quantity of P4 P sessions has become increasingly important. I don't mind shelling out more if I can get what I want, namely a mind blowing erotic experience with a fun friendly female. The average vanilla ho hum doesn't cut it anymore, except maybe to satisfy some craving for body contact about once a week.
Some things that are nice may be just not dirty enough for porn. Like i don't see two girls tongues probing one guy's mouth at the same time in porn. However i think its great. I am not going to give away my more unusual secret practices. I like to be unique without any copy cats. but not great at going the distance. She seems exhausted after about 6 to 8 orgasms when I only get one.It seems you haven't watched much. The example given is there in porn. There is so much of it it would take one person many lifetimes to see it all.
AsiaTraveler2
07-06-14, 06:21
I hit a few massage places that don't get reported on too frequently, before hitting the GoGo's on my first few days. The first was the Top Inn between Soi 4 and Soi 6, right on Sukhumvit. It's close to the Majestic Suites. I had "Bun"? Should have had her spell her name on the card. Nice massage and HE. Very sensual. She's not a model, but she's cute enough and did a great job with the massage. She hit me with a 1,500 baht quote for the HE, and I rolled my eyes and got her down to the market rate. That night I made a late night run through Soi Cowboy, with a stop at several bars and ending with a barfine at Bacarra.
On day two, I stopped in at MM Massage on Soi 23, which is next to Manisara Massage and that cluster of Oily's. It was early, about 10 am. Na was sitting at the entrance door and caught my eye. She was cute. I got the massage with a great finish. Lot's of teasing before the flip. Repeat worthy, but it's BKK and there is rarely ever enough time for a repeat. Too many places to try! LOL! That night I hit NEP and ended up at Rainbow 4. Selected number 51. What a rockin' body. Had a great night.
On day three I went to Otemachi Shoji on Soi 24/1. The sister shop is right across from it. I think the name was Premium massage. I opted for the Jacuzzi room, which was basically a smaller version of what you see in the Soapies. She did the wash routine. This place is targeting the Japanese market, with the OL (office lady) uniforms. I chose Mei. She has a bubbly personality and was really fun to be with. I will circle back to her if I have a chance. The rooms are nice, great lineup (not a huge selection, but I would have only passed on one of the eight or so in the lobby). A hottie walked in right after I made my selection, but no regrets with my choice. This place is pricey at 2.8K baht and 3K baht if you want the Jacuzzi room.
Somewhere between these stops on the first three days, I had May at Bamboo massage on Soi 8. May was nice and aimed to please. I asked for the lotion massage, which is similar to a Nuru massage. B2B massage, before the FS. Hard to beat the 2K baht price point for this place, considering the service levels. I was looking for the On8 hotel, which I don't recall on prior visits and could not place on a Google map street level search. Now I know why. It's in the Soi right across from Bamboo Massage. I hear the rooms are small, but it's right next to the Nana BTS.
I did a walk through of Patpong and it was dead. Soi Thaniya looked slow. I came across Geisha massage on an internet search, and may try that next. It's on Soi 33. If anyone has any intel on this place, that would be great. I also spent some time in the NEP courtyard about 7 pm, before the action started. Met one of the bartenders. I can't recall her name. I bought her a drink, just to strike up a conversation. Basic questions like when does the action start, how early do a lot of the girls come through, yada yada. Same questions I have asked before, but good to get current intel. With the curfew getting lifted just in time for my visit, I wanted to know if things were back to normal. A girl by the name of May or Mei. I think I met three or four May's / Mei's in the first three days! My first instinct was LB alert. I asked the bartender, and she said "no no, she is not LB". Looks like she had a nose job. Still has the bandages on her nose. If she's the real deal, she has a smokin' bod. I have her on my todo list, if I can confirm with someone else that I won't be in for any surprises! More fun to come!
Otemachi Shoji link:
http://www.thai-ol.com/
http://www.thai-ol.com/gals/profile.php?gal_dir=mei
So much to do, so little time!
AT2
I came across Geisha massage on an internet search, and may try that next. It's on Soi 33. If anyone has any intel on this place, that would be great. I also spent some time in the NEP courtyard about 7 pm, before the action started. Met one of the bartenders. I can't recall her name. I bought her a drink, just to strike up a conversation. Basic questions like when does the action start, how early do a lot of the girls come through, yada yada. Same questions I have asked before, but good to get current intel. With the curfew getting lifted just in time for my visit, I wanted to know if things were back to normal. A girl by the name of May or Mei. I think I met three or four May's / Mei's in the first three days! My first instinct was LB alert. I asked the bartender, and she said "no no, she is not LB". Looks like she had a nose job. Still has the bandages on her nose. Geisha massage had some very cute girls a couple of years back, but I quit going there when the cuties left. "Guitar" was one I liked. I did enjoy body massage on the blow-up mattress there, when the air would stay in the mattress. I think you really just have to go in and check the girls line up. Have to admit some girls on website look to have potential (if we can trust the pics at all). Japan, Kristen, Malley (Malee), Giffy, and Lucky, however my taste may be very different to a Japanese taste. In the past the real girls were mostly not that good, with an exception or two.
May is a very common Thai (and western) girl name sounds similar to the English month of May (mouth slightly more closed). Another common name is Mai (means new) which rhymes with "die". Two different names that get confused by westerners, although really sound a lot different. Other common M names are Miaow (sound of cat), Maew (means cat), Maa (horse), Manee (jewel), Min (mint), Mat (Rhymes with cut), and Moo (piglet).
Some girls are also adopting Japanese style working names.
I also have problems with a lot of operated girls looking like Ladyboys, even though have spent a lot of time in Thailand over many years. I guess when girls are very plain looking, the Ops really don't help much, in fact the opposite. Have seen the odd girl with a good face and appalling silicone coconuts in Baccara, as an example. Also other girls with good body but "alien" face. Seems that highly adjusted looks is popular. The girl that most looked like a ladyboy in Baccara, got called out for a drink and maybe BF very quickly, so I must be the weird one. My German friend agreed though that she was "horrible". Like an alien, is my thought. Try Crazy House one day. Very popular with Japanese customers. Only a couple of faces in there look peculiar to me and also very few tit jobs. Even the girl with the bulbous nose and puffy face seems popular enough. I really don't understand the taste of some of the customers. She does dance like trying to put her pussy in your face. Doesn't work for me. I am long sighted. LOL. She just blocks my vision of the pretty ones.
AsiaTraveler2
07-06-14, 10:37
<cut>Try Crazy House one day. Very popular with Japanese customers. Only a couple of faces in there look peculiar to me and also very few tit jobs. Even the girl with the bulbous nose and puffy face seems popular enough. I really don't understand the taste of some of the customers. She does dance like trying to put her pussy in your face. Doesn't work for me. I am long sighted. LOL. She just blocks my vision of the pretty ones.<cut>.Thanks for the info. I hit Crazy House the first night. Nothing like seeing nude woman to get the motor running.
AT2.
Ralph:
Is Seiki 21 still open? I remember it being very difficult to find P4 P as a white man in Japan. If I lived in JApan I would try to get over to BKK as often as possible.If you are talking about the blow-job place in Shibuya, it sadly closed a few years ago.
Personally I like sex every day, but most of the time by myself. A big part of the reason for that is that people, even hookers you see for only an hour or a few, can get on your nerves. IOW they easily bore me.
Secondly, banging away in missionary for 2 hours a day would surely mess up my arms & dick head even more than they already are. Masturbation using the shaft is a better idea. This speaks to the health issues I refered to in another post, which was not about my general state of health, fitness or diet.
Third, if I'm with a girl, I'm only seeing one body engaged in a few activities. That's boring relative to having an autoerotic porn session seeing hundreds of history's most sexy bods doing everything imaginable under the sun.
The monetary savings & STI safety are added bonuses, besides avoiding all the hassles necessary to preparing for a happy time with a girl.
Thanks for your very interesting insights on autoerotic alternatives. IOW: you prefer wanking! BTW, how much do you have to pay yourself? Or do you get freebies?
Thanks for your very interesting insights on autoerotic alternatives. IOW: you prefer wanking! BTW, how much do you have to pay yourself? Or do you get freebies?I know a guy that does the same as you all the time. He has never been out of his home country, and very few times out of his home city. He lives in his mom's basement. I sure will trade that for being with a boring chica once an awhile, the risk of STI, and fun and adventure of travel. Each to their own I guess. Must run getting ready for the start of another great circle trip Cuba in 2 weeks time, Colombia in September and Thailand in December, sure the hell beats blisters on a hand. Foto is what is waiting for me in Havana, at least that is what she said the last time I talked to her.
Franciscass
07-07-14, 02:24
Like i don't see two girls tongues probing one guy's mouth at the same time in porn. However i think its great. I am not going to give away my more unusual secret practices. I like to be unique without any copy cats. but not great at going the distance. She seems exhausted after about 6 to 8 orgasms when I only get one.Two tongues in the mouth, I read about it somewhere not sure where maybe it the Kama Sutra. I do remember it was fully illustrated as it's not a straight forward maneuver and requires either a large mouth or small tongues. Incidentally rumor has it lips Jagger managed 6 at a session in Mexico. Have you ever tried two dicks in a single mouth, again not straight forward requiring either a big mouth or etc etc.
I totally agree with you Syzygies on keeping secret your unusual sexual practice. I say this because I too have a secret sexual practice which I picked up from an old retired geisha I met In Kyoto. Mine though may be a tad superior to yours as my lady usually has 10 to 12 orgasms between my own pops. As discussed is other posts orgasms vary in intensity so it's hard to say which is best but like yourself I am not giving away the formula.
AsiaTraveler2
07-07-14, 02:34
Ralph:
Is Seiki 21 still open? I remember it being very difficult to find P4 P as a white man in Japan. If I lived in JApan I would try to get over to BKK as often as possible.Seiki 21 closed a year or two ago.
AT2.
I hit Soi Cowboy for an evening few nights ago.
I started in Doll House and there were quite a lot of cute tho not stunning ladies on the stage. There was certainly more ladies than men so I figured that the market was in my favour. Some were topless and even naked. An overly eager waitress engaged me in conversation, made out she was there to help me have a good night and just let her know if I want to speak to a lady yada yada (Obviously just looking for tips). I saw one real cutie with a great smile, dancing a little more enthusiastically than most. I pointed her out to the waitress and she went away for what seemed like an age. Eventually she came back "that lady is with a customer. He leave soon and she can sit with you". At a dancer change I saw her leave the stage and go sit with a Japanese guy. He was buying *a lot* of lady drinks and drinks for himself so I figured he wouldn't be leaving anytime soon and of course the girl would be keen to milk the lady drink commission as much as she could. Never mind.
I started scouring the stage and paid a bit more interest to a girl I'd seen earlier, a taller, slim very dark skinned girl with breasts that were quite large for a Thai but very pert and in proportion. I caught her eye and smiled. She smiled back. I caught her eye again a few seconds later, smiled and waved. She came and sat with me. Can't remember her name now but she said she was 22 from Isaan (aren't they all). I buy her a lady drink and she starts rubbing my leg and dick. Good girl I love Bangkok! By way of return I rub her legs and put my hand down the back of her dress and feel her ass. A few empty but none-the-less true compliments about her looks and she's asking me to bar fine her. "How much" "2000". This is obviously the short time fee. I'm usually not a fan of short time as I like to take my time with a lady and don't like time pressure. "How much long time" "6000" WTF? I actually laughed out loud at this point "Way too expensive". I didn't even make an attempt at negotiation. I sent a text to a farang buddy who has more experience at this than me and his reply was "leave and go to Nana. LT 4000 max!" The girl sat with me playing with my leg and dick for a few more minutes. Maybe hoping I was going to enter negotiation or change my mind. The music changed and she had to go back on stage. I then left.
And went into Kiss. There was quite a few ladies, again more girls than customers. Thing is, there were 2 fat ones (I suppose to cater for guys who are into that, makes good business sense) and a few girls slightly above average looks. No stunners and no ugly ones. You could probably find more choice and better looks in most beers bars. I saw one girl who had a *very* pretty face but was very young looking. I caught her eye and she came and sat with with. I bought her the almost compulsory lady drink and chatted. She was more reserved than most gogo girls. She said she had been working there only one month. Her name was Den, only 18, from Bangkok and a university student. Too young for me. After a while it was her turn to dance again and she made sure to dance right in front of where I was sitting, getting a bit bolder with every beat, looking and smiling at me and making gestures with her body. I appreciated the effort but she was just too young for me. I paid the bar bill and left.
And went into Tilac. Which was had a lot of sexy ladies but even more customers. The place was seriously FULL, due to the fact that they were showing some world cup match! Not good odds. I just turned around and walked straight out and across the soi into another gogo. There was 4 average looking girls on stage and another 4 waiting their turn. I had a quick coke, left and went into Shark.
There was a lot of attractive girls on stage with a low number of customers. I ordered a drink and took in the view. I saw Poi who I banged short time back about 6 months ago on my previous and first visit to Shark. I looked at her but I thought she hadn't seen me. After a few minutes they changed dancers. Poi left the stage and went to the bar at the far side of the club and started talking with the bartender.
I saw a good looking girl dancing, caught her eye and waved her over. She came and sat with me. She said her name was "BB", 25 from Isaan. I bought her a lady drink. Next thing I know Poi has appeared from out of nowhere asking "do you remember me" and talking across BB as though she's not there. Women! They're just like cats, they'll ignore you until you pay attention to another then they'll be all over you. So I tell BB to move across to my right and Poi sits on my left. They're both now touching me. I'm like a temporary rockstar.
BB asks me if I want to go with her and I ask how much. She says 5000 long time. She even suggests I take both of them. I say my body and wallet can only afford 1! BB is not as hot as Poi and remember last time I was here, Poi's rates were 2500ST and 5000 LT.
Poi is also now getting more eager. I get the feeling she doesn't want to lose face by me taking another girl in front of her. So I say to Poi " you want to go? 4000 long time"? She says yes straight away without even thinking about it.
I turn back to BB tell her I'm leaving with Poi. She then asks me for a "tip" and I say "No I bought you a drink". BB then leaves. Poi says "wait here while I go change". While I'm waiting for Poi BB comes back and asks if I can give her "taxi money" which gets a very quick "no". WTF? She then says maybe we can go together next time I visit? Jesus!
I was absolutely astounded that Poi remembered me from one short time encounter 6 months before. I mean just how much farang dick must she taken in the intervening period?? These girls have great memories.
So anyway I head back to the hotel with Poi and she puts on a great performance. We shower together, she's very GFE, and she does her wonderful simple but effective body rub, blow job and lowering herself down onto my dick and banging away. I think Poi must have remembered what a lousy piece of ass I was on our first encounter, being half drunk first timer to Bangers and an easy 2500. This time I'm sober and this working girl's going to get it! She rides me until she's out of breath. I flip her over and go at her missionary. It's one of those nights where I'm not coming easily She asks if I'm close to finishing as she's already finished twice. She gets on all fours in front of me and guides me in and I bang her doggy. God I love her tiny dark skinned Isaan ass. I have to stop. I lay down beside her and start kissing her. She gets on top of me and rides me again. She's now starting to sound frustrated. " I just finish third time, when you finish". I flip her over and open her legs, but before I can enter her she makes me change condom as she thinks it's in danger of breaking. I then thrust back inside her and bang her as hard as I can for several minutes until I come.
Awesome! I ask her to give me her phone no and email address for next time I'm in Bangers. Obviously I'm thinking of accessing loyal customer rates and outside of the bar so no barfine next time I'm in town. That could easily save me 1000 baht a night.
Unfortunately the next morning Poi has gone from being an A+ to a D- fuck for the second round. Very rushed as though she has some pressing appointment, and not so GFE. Maybe she thinks I had more than my money's worth the night before? So I probably won't be calling her. Just before she left she left she gave me her phone no and email, having remembered that I asked her after round 1. Oh well. Competition is good all round clearly! If I go back to Shark I may have to BF another girl in front of Poi just to make the point about service quality?
One more thing I found quite entertaining... Poi told me that business has been a bit slow in her bar the last few weeks. Because of the curfew or the army? NO! Because customers are more interested in the world cup. She went on to tell me how one of her friends at work had been barfined long time by a customer a few night previously and when they got back to his room he sat in bed and watched 3 games back to back and hardly touched the girl! Jesus guys, c'mon!
"How much long time" "6000" WTF? I actually laughed out loud at this point "Way too expensive". I didn't even make an attempt at negotiation. I sent a text to a farang buddy who has more experience at this than me and his reply was "leave and go to Nana. LT 4000 max!" The girl sat with me playing with my leg and dick for a few more minutes. Maybe hoping I was going to enter negotiation or change my mind. Some guys believe the girl should take 4000 for LT. However some won't. Some girls can do 3 STs in an evening, have 3 quick fucks, go home and get a good night's sleep. Desperate girls that have no customers will take the 4 K. Can't expect every girl to be the same.
One of my favourite bargirls is very reluctant to take LT from Friday through to Sunday as she has many customers, and can fit quite a few short times in. She will do LT for a very high rate of course. However she doesn't like to negotiate or state her price, so its easier for her just to say no LTs on Friday, Sat, Sun. She likes LT better on quite days like a Tuesday. She wants to maximise the money and keeping all the regulars happy that they get a chance, even if its only 2 hrs.
I totally agree with you Syzygies on keeping secret your unusual sexual practice. I say this because I too have a secret sexual practice which I picked up from an old retired geisha I met In Kyoto. Mine though may be a tad superior to yours as my lady usually has 10 to 12 orgasms between my own pops. As discussed is other posts orgasms vary in intensity so it's hard to say which is best but like yourself I am not giving away the formula.Sure my things are not necessarily supposed to be techniques as such. Just different things that a girl may have some appreciation of or just find different to the norm. Things that would never happen in porn for example. In porn guys are not really giving the girl a good service at all. Its more about just take what they want.
I haven't met too many girls that actually want to pop 10 to 12 times. That maybe because most of them are hookers. LOL. However my GF pops so easily (not requiring incredible technique) she may get close to that before complaining of exhaustion. I never tried to count them.
Your special super techniques are specially useful for girls that cum with great difficulty, I would think.
I find girls who act passionate, whether fake or not, are often a distraction that impedes my own enjoyment of the session. I can also do without the claws or teeth digging into my body, lips & genital areas.
I do agree that girls can get too carried away in the sex. I am not into biting or clawing. Also my pace is slow. So I like girls that are passionate but not too powerful, and able to go with the flow too. However a girl getting herself off by riding me cowgirl and grinding her mound on me, is not distracting me at all. It has a very sexy feel for me.
I know the powerful girls can be popular with other guys but its not my style.
There are girls out there with techniques that will always be better than a wank. I know one or two girls with a squeeze box pussy. Try a session at Dr BJ with big soft tits brushing your balls while getting the DT BBBJ. Try the VIP session with body slide, or the Nuru, or a balls massage expert. There are some really special sensations that can be experienced.
Wolvenvacht
07-07-14, 19:57
Some guys believe the girl should take 4000 for LT. However some won't. Some girls can do 3 STs in an evening, have 3 quick fucks, go home and get a good night's sleep. Desperate girls that have no customers will take the 4 K. Can't expect every girl to be the same.
One of my favourite bargirls is very reluctant to take LT from Friday through to Sunday as she has many customers, and can fit quite a few short times in. She will do LT for a very high rate of course. However she doesn't like to negotiate or state her price, so its easier for her just to say no LTs on Friday, Sat, Sun. She likes LT better on quite days like a Tuesday. She wants to maximise the money and keeping all the regulars happy that they get a chance, even if its only 2 hrs.Honestly, I cannot remember ever having paid more than 3500 baht for LT with any girl from Suzie Wong. Perhaps I like girls that are not top of the market and they come at a discount.
There are girls out there with techniques that will always be better than a wank. I know one or two girls with a squeeze box pussy. Try a session at Dr BJ with big soft tits brushing your balls while getting the DT BBBJ. Try the VIP session with body slide, or the Nuru, or a balls massage expert. There are some really special sensations that can be experienced.There's a cute girl in BKK I sometimes see at the NPL or on lower Suhkumvit who brushes all over a guy's body with her large DD knockers as she cat licks him everywhere. She is worthy of a repeat from time to time when I feel like I want to feel the physical body of a female. OTOH I can get just as turned on or even more excited watching the same type of thing in videos or pics of 100's of the world's most humunguous juggs. You'ld be lucky to find even one TG with knockers that size. While women are more stimulated by touch than men, with men the visual is more important.
Sure my things are not necessarily supposed to be techniques as such. Just different things that a girl may have some appreciation of or just find different to the norm. Things that would never happen in porn for example. In porn guys are not really giving the girl a good service at all. Its more about just take what they want.Much of what experienced TGs have learned sexually was taught to them by farangs from many countries who learned most of what they know from porn. I'd be surprised if there's anything you've done that hasn't been done already 100 times amongst the millions of porn clips. A lot of porn doesn't even involve guys or when it does they are often showing the girl a very good time. Not that there's anything wrong with the pleasure in P4 P or porn being one sided. The girl is not my GF so I feel no emotional pressure to "take care" of her at all, other than the huge monetary compensation these ladies recieve. Though I'm sure some guys do it to try to compensate in areas they are lacking or to get something in return out of the lady. Or maybe they just enjoy being pussy whipped.
I haven't met too many girls that actually want to pop 10 to 12 times. That maybe because most of them are hookers. LOL. However my GF pops so easily (not requiring incredible technique) she may get close to that before complaining of exhaustion. I never tried to count them.
Being a hooker might be the perfect job for a nympho. But only a small percentage of women qualify. I've read a few reports suggesting Indonesian women are like that, but whether this nationality has a larger percentage of them remains unknown. Being the male version, that might be the best type of girl for me, though I've met plenty at the Nana Hotel car park in Bangkok who were up for non stop sessions of an hour or four. One of those per week is about enough for me. That would be the equivalent of around twenty sessions for other guys who last an average of 10 minutes.
If I was younger & in better shape I might be up to it every day. But there's a reason why you see hardly any athletes on professional sports teams who are over 40 years old, let alone 70.
Some guys believe the girl should take 4000 for LT. However some won't. Some girls can do 3 STs in an evening, have 3 quick fucks, go home and get a good night's sleep. Desperate girls that have no customers will take the 4 K. Can't expect every girl to be the same.I'm sure for some of the very popular girls that's the case but on the night in question there were a lot more girls than customers so I doubt anyone would be getting three quick fucks in. Someone needs to explain the concept of supply and demand to some of these girls.
As it stands I have never paid more than 4000 LT at SC or 3500 LT at Nana.
I'm sure for some of the very popular girls that's the case but on the night in question there were a lot more girls than customers so I doubt anyone would be getting three quick fucks in. Someone needs to explain the concept of supply and demand to some of these girls.
As it stands I have never paid more than 4000 LT at SC or 3500 LT at Nana.Up to you what your budget is. There are certainly girls who set their price way higher than that, and if they don't get a LT customer, they can get several STs.
I believe that Noo Dee at SW, is looking to make between 6 K to 10 K on each of Friday to Sunday in total usually from several STs, and less on other quiet days. It is realistic too. No way is she ever going to take 4 K for LT, unless she is on the rag and can't fuck. She still gets bookings even when sex is not available. LOL.
She is almost always the preferred girl, and if she does, say an "Oil" show, she could easily have 3 customers all ready to BF her immediately. As one of her customers, I have experienced the situation when several customers are concurrently wanting to take her.
My smart procedure is to ring her and arrange to meet at 6. 30 PM for ST before the bar opens, or maybe try for a LT on a quiet day. Fortunately she likes me and that I fully understands how she operates. So I get to be a preferred customer. She is a very non typical girl. All the other girls cannot work out where her voodoo magic arts come from. Its not that she is exceptional on the bed. She can be good or not, depending on chemistry. It more that she is cute, very tight slim body, looks a lot younger than her real age, flashing dark eyes, and some special charisma. Also she has class. No alcohol, no smoking, no drugs, no gambling, good business head, works hard, no Thai BF, only putting her money into building the house.
Just one example. However the girl I like in Doll House has a tight body and great ass, and is also very popular. Does do LT, but I doubt she will go for a low price like 4 K. The girl I like in Crazy House has a 10 body and a good face too. If I offered her 4 K for LT, she would laugh at me. No interest at all. She would probably come back with something like I will give you 3 hours for 4 K.
Somebody needs to explain supply and demand to some of the punters too.
Okay Its unfortunate for me, I am liking the very No. 1 top girls in each bar. I know there are plenty of girls hard up for customers, who are not getting a fuck each day, who will accept 4 K for LT. They are probably just not high enough standard for me to be interested, with maybe the odd exception of a newbie type girl, great looking, that has no English, and cannot communicate with most customers.
Some guys think every girl should have the same price. They are sadly mistaken. Its not the reality. Girls in high demand can set much higher prices for LT, with no fear of being out of customers. They will make big money mostly by doing a succession of STs, probably making a min of 2. 5 K for each ST. I was pissed off with Rainbow 4 top girls, not because they only wanted a ST, but that they wanted to cut the time given very short as well. When you sit in R4, you see many top girls go for ST and return in well under 30 minutes. My idea of ST is 90 minutes.
Up to you what your budget is. There are certainly girls who set their price way higher than that, and if they don't get a LT customer, they can get several STs.
I believe that Noo Dee at SW, is looking to make between 6 K to 10 K on each of Friday to Sunday in total usually from several STs, and less on other quiet days. It is realistic too. No way is she ever going to take 4 K for LT, unless she is on the rag and can't fuck. She still gets bookings even when sex is not available. LOL.
She is almost always the preferred girl, and if she does, say an "Oil" show, she could easily have 3 customers all ready to BF her immediately. As one of her customers, I have experienced the situation when several customers are concurrently wanting to take her.
My smart procedure is to ring her and arrange to meet at 6. 30 PM for ST before the bar opens, or maybe try for a LT on a quiet day. Fortunately she likes me and that I fully understands how she operates. So I get to be a preferred customer. She is a very non typical girl. All the other girls cannot work out where her voodoo magic arts come from. Its not that she is exceptional on the bed. She can be good or not, depending on chemistry. It more that she is cute, very tight slim body, looks a lot younger than her real age, flashing dark eyes, and some special charisma. Also she has class. No alcohol, no smoking, no drugs, no gambling, good business head, works hard, no Thai BF, only putting her money into building the house.
Just one example. However the girl I like in Doll House has a tight body and great ass, and is also very popular. Does do LT, but I doubt she will go for a low price like 4 K. The girl I like in Crazy House has a 10 body and a good face too. If I offered her 4 K for LT, she would laugh at me. No interest at all. She would probably come back with something like I will give you 3 hours for 4 K.
Somebody needs to explain supply and demand to some of the punters too.
Okay Its unfortunate for me, I am liking the very No. 1 top girls in each bar. I know there are plenty of girls hard up for customers, who are not getting a fuck each day, who will accept 4 K for LT. They are probably just not high enough standard for me to be interested, with maybe the odd exception of a newbie type girl, great looking, that has no English, and cannot communicate with most customers.
Some guys think every girl should have the same price. They are sadly mistaken. Its not the reality. Girls in high demand can set much higher prices for LT, with no fear of being out of customers. They will make big money mostly by doing a succession of STs, probably making a min of 2. 5 K for each ST. I was pissed off with Rainbow 4 top girls, not because they only wanted a ST, but that they wanted to cut the time given very short as well. When you sit in R4, you see many top girls go for ST and return in well under 30 minutes. My idea of ST is 90 minutes.Sadly you are correct. Pricing used to be pretty standard. When I arrived in '99 gogos gals were 1 k ST 1. 5 LT (and most gals still preferred LTs). Then in the mid-'00 the guys started a bidding war and the gals took control. Now pricing is all over the place and IMHO for the most part way too high. I was never an oily dude till 07-08 because it was not good value. Cost 2100 for 90 min. I could get a great gal from Thermae for 1 k and 300 baht for ST hotel, which was the standard no discuss price till it became the domain of folks from the Land of the Rising Sun.
Good on the gals really, but for me just not worth it for gals of the same quality or less, most of whom would not perform up to my specs anyway. 2 K ST or more, plus BF, plus drinks, plus ST hotel? Yesh, dinner, drinks, BF, ST fee, and ST hotel used to come in around 75 USD. Hell, that is why we came to BKK. Now it is easily double that if not more.
Sadly you are correct. Pricing used to be pretty standard. When I arrived in '99 gogos gals were 1 k ST 1. 5 LT (and most gals still preferred LTs). Then in the mid-'00 the guys started a bidding war and the gals took control. Now pricing is all over the place and IMHO for the most part way too high. I was never an oily dude till 07-08 because it was not good value. Cost 2100 for 90 min. I could get a great gal from Thermae for 1 k and 300 baht for ST hotel, which was the standard no discuss price till it became the domain of folks from the Land of the Rising Sun.
Good on the gals really, but for me just not worth it for gals of the same quality or less, most of whom would not perform up to my specs anyway. 2 K ST or more, plus BF, plus drinks, plus ST hotel? Yesh, dinner, drinks, BF, ST fee, and ST hotel used to come in around 75 USD. Hell, that is why we came to BKK. Now it is easily double that if not more.Yes, I never, ever, paid more than 1,500 LT. I think I once paid 1,500 for ST 3 or 4 years ago at a beer bar in Patpong, but even then she complained that all the other women were getting 3 K for ST. Not this guy.
But I digress. Over several months, many glasses of Malbec, and a few brewskis, I have reached a conclusion for the main reason for Bangkok's decline. Nobody has requested this, nobody's paying for it, but I still feel obligated to foist my views on an unsuspecting public. Or at least an unsuspecting board.
There a book, long out of print but still available, used, on Amazon. I used to have a copy, but you know what happens to lent books. It's called "Thank God for the Atom Bomb & Other Essays. " While the eponymous essay is well worth reading, it's one of the others that got me thinking. It's an essay about the difference between Travel and Tourism.
To oversimplify a bit, and paraphrase a lot, a Traveler goes to a particular place, interacts with the locals, eats local food, lives among the people, spends a fair amount of time seeing things and absorbing the culture. Time isn't such an important factor because he's after the experiences. A Tourist, like as not, is part of a group, has a punch list of things to see and do, an organized itinerary, eats in hotels, stays in higher-end hotels, wouldn't be caught dead mingling with the sweaty hoi polloi, yet loves to say he's a "Traveler. " Time is a critical factor because he has a very important itinerary. Experiences take a back seat to a schedule and checklist.
I'll preface this by stating that I think the Thai economy has had a direct effect on the looks of the girls. And prices were bound to rise somewhat due to the immutable laws of demographics. Fewer available girls will result in higher prices. But I'm talking about the overall change in the P4 P scene.
Anyway, I think the Traveler and Tourist illustration applies to the BKK nightlife and P4 P scene. The fuse of change was lit some decades back, the changes were slow at first, but now they're going full bore.
Years ago, Thailand was a very difficult place to reach, especially for those of us in the Americas. It was an exotic destination, not too developed, not well traveled. A perfect destination for the "Traveler," not so for the "Tourist. ".
Years ago, so I'm told, ST didn't even exist. (It barely existed in the late '90's) You found a lady, she went home with you, she stayed, maybe she made breakfast or cleaned your room. Maybe she stayed for several days. Again, a perfect situation for the "Traveler" and not so much for the "Tourist. ".
I think the VN war lit the fuse, as it were. More people found out about this place and the P4 P really became an in-your-face industry. Rumors flew about this exotic place where you could get back alley BJs from 12 year old girls and other sordid things. Interest increased but it was still a very expensive destination. Airfare was high, flights very lengthy. Still perfect for the Traveler.
Then the airlines were deregulated. Airfares dropped and now everybody could fly. The types of people now making the trip to LOS began to change. The Tourists started coming. Their numbers increased and then, BAM! The Internet happened. Now everybody with a modem could find out all about LOS. Anybody with $500 could get a cattle car to SEA. The market changed quickly and has become the sorry state of affairs we have today.
$200 (all in) short times are a direct result, IMHO, of Tourists. Hey, I'm only here for X days, I have to check this off my list, I have to be in Chiang Mai tomorrow, and, besides, it would be WAY more expensive back home. Long time? Hell, I don't have time for that. Or, another classic example is the group of guys who shows up and spends all day, every day, in a bar. They hang out together and drink all day. Occasionally they split up and go have some boom boom. Later they all get back together for dinner and more booze. All classic Tourist behavior, and a completely foreign concept to the Traveler.
The market adapted quickly. Why go LT with a customer if there are a bunch of guys right behind him looking for a quickie? If this current crop of Tourists will pay $200, why should I accept less from a Traveler?
My point is that as the Tourists take over a place everything becomes time sensitive and by-the-hour. LT went the way of the Dodo. It wasn't cost effective. ST went from 3 hours to however quickly I can get to the hotel, fuck, fix my makeup and get back. Otherwise, it's not cost effective. Hurry, hurry, rush, rush. The time-sensitive Tourists won't wait. And, as a result, all the fun has gone out of it for we Travelers. The sanuk factor is extinct. The world turned.
You can still have a great time in BKK, no question. But it's going to cost you. And it's not going to be the relaxed, fun experience it used to be. Basically, Bangkok has become Tijuana.
Years ago, so I'm told, ST didn't even exist. (It barely existed in the late '90's) You found a lady, she went home with you, she stayed, maybe she made breakfast or cleaned your room. Maybe she stayed for several days. Again, a perfect situation for the "Traveler" and not so much for the "Tourist. ".
The market adapted quickly. Why go LT with a customer if there are a bunch of guys right behind him looking for a quickie? If this current crop of Tourists will pay $200, why should I accept less from a Traveler?
My point is that as the Tourists take over a place everything becomes time sensitive and by-the-hour. LT went the way of the Dodo. It wasn't cost effective. ST went from 3 hours to however quickly I can get to the hotel, fuck, fix my makeup and get back. Otherwise, it's not cost effective. Hurry, hurry, rush, rush. The time-sensitive Tourists won't wait. And, as a result, all the fun has gone out of it for we Travelers. The sanuk factor is extinct. The world turned.
You can still have a great time in BKK, no question. But it's going to cost you. And it's not going to be the relaxed, fun experience it used to be. Basically, Bangkok has become Tijuana.Ah you finally got to the point. You are right. When I first came to Bangkok as a free man, say 23 years ago, I don't recall the possibility of a ST with a Cowboy bargirl being mentioned. You always took LT. The girl got 400 to 500 Baht. I can't remember the BF. The very best girls did not know that they would be able to get 3 STs in a night. I guess if you only wanted ST, you send the girl away after sex. In those days you definitely paid the girl to leave. I recall a Cowboy girl who just did not want to leave. Was hard to get rid of her and she kept wanting to return to my Hotel uninvited, so had to change Hotels. Maybe in those days Patpong girls were already into doing STs, it just had not spread to Cowboy, and not sure if Nana Plaza was already opened or not.
In those days, for ST you would go to the Grace massage, Thermae Soapy, Darling, Chawala, etc. Or to Kangaroo bar in Patpong for an on the premises BJ at the bar or fuck in the back room at lunch time.
I don't really recall what year Sukhumvit bargirls started to offer ST, but it was probably about 18 to 20 years ago at Nana Plaza bars like Lollipop, Pretty Lady, etc. That I first got offered ST (outside of Patpong). I guess Nana carpark girls were always mostly ST girls.
The price of supermarket bill and rent in Bangkok has skyrocketed. I guess we must expect the girl prices to rise with inflation. Can see the point now. The Bangkok "decline" is really just the increase in prices, and a decrease in the number of customers, and the number of bar girls in most bars. Its also that the in-demand girls now realise they have power over the customers. The number of girls, with 3 Farangs sending them money every month has probably increased. A few more honest girls don't do that.
Wolvenvacht
07-10-14, 07:04
To oversimplify a bit, and paraphrase a lot, a Traveler goes to a particular place, interacts with the locals, eats local food, lives among the people, spends a fair amount of time seeing things and absorbing the culture. Time isn't such an important factor because he's after the experiences. A Tourist, like as not, is part of a group, has a punch list of things to see and do, an organized itinerary, eats in hotels, stays in higher-end hotels, wouldn't be caught dead mingling with the sweaty hoi polloi, yet loves to say he's a "Traveler. " Time is a critical factor because he has a very important itinerary. Experiences take a back seat to a schedule and checklist.Who would have ever throught that HotShaneHot is probably the last of the Travellers on this board?
only been in town a few days. last visit was during the coup and not much is changed.
had a slimmer's lunch at star of light today. at least a year since my last visit. they've upgraded the toilet a bit with some corner cushions where there used to be storage. service in the bar but they are paranoid about 'checking' by authorities, so one has to go to the head for service and then only if you promise to finish quickly. they tried to huddle me to a st hotel nearby, but i wanted nothing doing as i had my plans for a quick lunch. same level of providers as always.
few days ago went so som's haven on soi 14. nice place and pretty clean private rooms all with a sink attached. about the same level of provider as [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s but more convenient location right next to asok bts. oral is standard 700 and was offered fs for 1200. might make this my go-to when i'm in the neighborhood and want something quick.
You can still have a great time in BKK, no question. But it's going to cost you. And it's not going to be the relaxed, fun experience it used to be. Basically, Bangkok has become Tijuana.I was first time in Bangkok in 1995. Things are different now, I admit. You can still have a lot of fun, but things are more expensive now. After my divorce 1 1/2 year ago I have been in SEA, Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia 4 times. I prefer Cambodia. I think it is like Thailand was before. I always go to Sihanoukville. When you bar fine girl it is always LT. First time I barfined a girl in Sihanoukville I asked the girl "for how long". She looked at my and said "until tomorrow, off course". She stayed with my for a week. BF was 10 dollar / day. The girl 30 dollar / day. 280 dollar /9000 baht for a very beautiful girl, very GFE, for one week. You can not do that in Thailand to day, I think. Maybe you can find FL in Pattaya same price, but then she is not young and beautiful.
Maybe in those days Patpong girls were already into doing STs, it just had not spread to Cowboy, and not sure if Nana Plaza was already opened or not. Nope, even in the mid 90's when I used to mainly drink / bang in Patpong the girls were all LT. If I wanted a quicky I'd go to the Kangaroo bar, otherwise I'd just get a girl from a bar. I don't ever remember even discussing ST or LT way back then.
A mate of mine had an apartment near Patpong, hence that's why we hung out there. Also there used to be more 'normal' types of bars, Irish places for instance, if we didn't fancy having girls hanging off us early in the evening or felt like a it to eat.
I haven't been to Patpong for years, these days I'm too lazy to go too far from Soi Cowboy.
Yes, I never, ever, paid more than 1,500 LT. I think I once paid 1,500 for ST 3 or 4 years ago at a beer bar in Patpong, but even then she complained that all the other women were getting 3 K for ST. Not this guy.
But I digress. Over several months, many glasses of Malbec, and a few brewskis, I have reached a conclusion for the main reason for Bangkok's decline. Nobody has requested this, nobody's paying for it, but I still feel obligated to foist my views on an unsuspecting public. Or at least an unsuspecting board.
There a book, long out of print but still available, used, on Amazon. I used to have a copy, but you know what happens to lent books. It's called "Thank God for the Atom Bomb & Other Essays. " While the eponymous essay is well worth reading, it's one of the others that got me thinking. It's an essay about the difference between Travel and Tourism.
To oversimplify a bit, and paraphrase a lot, a Traveler goes to a particular place, interacts with the locals, eats local food, lives among the people, spends a fair amount of time seeing things and absorbing the culture. Time isn't such an important factor because he's after the experiences. A Tourist, like as not, is part of a group, has a punch list of things to see and do, an organized itinerary, eats in hotels, stays in higher-end hotels, wouldn't be caught dead mingling with the sweaty hoi polloi, yet loves to say he's a "Traveler. " Time is a critical factor because he has a very important itinerary. Experiences take a back seat to a schedule and checklist.
I'll preface this by stating that I think the Thai economy has had a direct effect on the looks of the girls. And prices were bound to rise somewhat due to the immutable laws of demographics. Fewer available girls will result in higher prices. But I'm talking about the overall change in the P4 P scene.
Anyway, I think the Traveler and Tourist illustration applies to the BKK nightlife and P4 P scene. The fuse of change was lit some decades back, the changes were slow at first, but now they're going full bore.
Years ago, Thailand was a very difficult place to reach, especially for those of us in the Americas. It was an exotic destination, not too developed, not well traveled. A perfect destination for the "Traveler," not so for the "Tourist. ".
Years ago, so I'm told, ST didn't even exist. (It barely existed in the late '90's) You found a lady, she went home with you, she stayed, maybe she made breakfast or cleaned your room. Maybe she stayed for several days. Again, a perfect situation for the "Traveler" and not so much for the "Tourist. ".
I think the VN war lit the fuse, as it were. More people found out about this place and the P4 P really became an in-your-face industry. Rumors flew about this exotic place where you could get back alley BJs from 12 year old girls and other sordid things. Interest increased but it was still a very expensive destination. Airfare was high, flights very lengthy. Still perfect for the Traveler.
Then the airlines were deregulated. Airfares dropped and now everybody could fly. The types of people now making the trip to LOS began to change. The Tourists started coming. Their numbers increased and then, BAM! The Internet happened. Now everybody with a modem could find out all about LOS. Anybody with $500 could get a cattle car to SEA. The market changed quickly and has become the sorry state of affairs we have today.
$200 (all in) short times are a direct result, IMHO, of Tourists. Hey, I'm only here for X days, I have to check this off my list, I have to be in Chiang Mai tomorrow, and, besides, it would be WAY more expensive back home. Long time? Hell, I don't have time for that. Or, another classic example is the group of guys who shows up and spends all day, every day, in a bar. They hang out together and drink all day. Occasionally they split up and go have some boom boom. Later they all get back together for dinner and more booze. All classic Tourist behavior, and a completely foreign concept to the Traveler.
The market adapted quickly. Why go LT with a customer if there are a bunch of guys right behind him looking for a quickie? If this current crop of Tourists will pay $200, why should I accept less from a Traveler?
My point is that as the Tourists take over a place everything becomes time sensitive and by-the-hour. LT went the way of the Dodo. It wasn't cost effective. ST went from 3 hours to however quickly I can get to the hotel, fuck, fix my makeup and get back. Otherwise, it's not cost effective. Hurry, hurry, rush, rush. The time-sensitive Tourists won't wait. And, as a result, all the fun has gone out of it for we Travelers. The sanuk factor is extinct. The world turned.
You can still have a great time in BKK, no question. But it's going to cost you. And it's not going to be the relaxed, fun experience it used to be. Basically, Bangkok has become Tijuana.Just very well stated and spot on. Was upcountry last weekend. In the North. People were actually friendly. A far cry from BKK. Reminded me why I chose to live here. No animosity, no nasty looks, and you would never know there was political issues in the country. BKK has borne the brunt of the political crap, price increases, low unemployment, etc. And for all the reasons you stated above, become not such a good place to monger for the resident or traveler. That being said, oilies are still fun. Had one yesterday.
Years ago, so I'm told, ST didn't even exist. (It barely existed in the late '90's) You found a lady, she went home with you, she stayed, maybe she made breakfast or cleaned your room. Maybe she stayed for several days. Again, a perfect situation for the "Traveler" and not so much for the "Tourist. ".
That's just not correct. I've been coming here since 1993 and over that time 99% of my exchanges were for short time. One of the few English phrases girls knew back in those early days was "short time long time? I don't do long time. I've never enjoyed it with a girl that I barely know. Its always short time for me. But what was easy back then was that long time was always offered (though just as now guys complained about girls doing runners at 6 am). Now lots of girls do not even offer it and the gogos in particular push the girls to do st and in the nearby st rooms (and by st I mean st as I see most girls back within 30 minutes). The whole business has become much more hard core, mercenary, commoditized and impersonal. Not to say that it's not fun but it is totally transactional now.
The whole business has become much more hard core, mercenary, commoditized and impersonal. Not to say that it's not fun but it is totally transactional now.Yep. Because the gals are making so much money now for far less work. Most dudes just seem to expect less. Punters would not have stood for it 15 years ago.
Member #4387
07-10-14, 14:46
That beeing said I still have a blast in the BKK's FL pick up clubs for the same price as in 07/08 (3 K LT and allways real LT, hell sometimes even to long LT) so I am not at all affected by this BF and bar downtalking stuffs. Why go there if it is so bad? Why not change MO? Just asking.
Well, well reading about the BM's defintion of a traveler I would choose tourist every day. Just seems more fun. I can only box myself in as a punter travelling extensively troughout SEA and maby I would pop into BKK in average between 20/30 times a year since 07/08. I don't care from which category I will be put into. Based from my many many visits I get or have gotten a pretty good idea, through own eyes and through communicating whith birds, what is going on. What I have seen the latter years is a blooming of girl representation in the FL nightclubs. Some girls I talk to and have fun with (not allways bring back fucking) admits they are former BG but they wants to be their own boss and take a hit to the mentioned venues. Not anymore beeing interested in feeling obliged to go with unattractive punters (preassure from Mama, boss). Can't realy blame them from my own observation. Even if beauty is in the eye of the beholder these girl dripping down from the bar environment are absolute stunners and could easily get barfined probably quite often. Still they choose the FL scene. Maby girls becomes more aware of that they should be queens of their own domain and not let others decide on how they should share it around, I don't know just droddeling?? Atleast it seems to benefit the FL market and that is good for us enjoying such.
A couple of weeks ago I was with a dear old girly friend. We met back at my place, shipped a few drinks and taxied to Climax. We arrived around midnight, normaly a bit early for Climax. This was a Tuesday night. What surprised me was how many girls allready on site. My friend knows a hell of a lot of people from beeing involved under the Hillary umbrella for some years (not now as she changed into the hotel biz). While drinking I was stunned from all the beauty around and my girl pointed out many of them beeing former BG-, MP-, GoGo- and Escortgirls but they simply did not find their work as free and rewarding as beeing unattached from bossy bosses. Someof them she explained also got som daytime normal jobs but habit of a relatively good cashflow are hard to change so still hooking a tad on the side. But from the greater part, as in line with my former believes, Climax are filled with part time FL's or in another words, normal girls with normal jobs just want some cash if lucky to meet a decent punter. Not beeing desperate in any way as they also out to party and have fun. Over the years this I happen to believe have been my main source of girls (I leave ofcourse out my regular girls in this debate).
I think this aspect is also important to take into considiration in this ongoing (and neverending) complaining of why the Bar / go go girls shows attitude and skyrocketing prices (as some of you call it) and bad quality of the girls. Someones loss is anotherones gains.
only been in town a few days. last visit was during the coup and not much is changed.
had a slimmer's lunch at star of light today. at least a year since my last visit. they've upgraded the toilet a bit with some corner cushions where there used to be storage. service in the bar but they are paranoid about 'checking' by authorities, so one has to go to the head for service and then only if you promise to finish quickly. they tried to huddle me to a st hotel nearby, but i wanted nothing doing as i had my plans for a quick lunch. same level of providers as always.
few days ago went so som's haven on soi 14. nice place and pretty clean private rooms all with a sink attached. about the same level of provider as [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s but more convenient location right next to asok bts. oral is standard 700 and was offered fs for 1200. might make this my go-to when i'm in the neighborhood and want something quick.always try to.
visit the star when in town. seem if they know you a bit they aren't quite so paranoid. there is 1 gal there, can't remember her name, bit on the heavy side but big tits. she.
always jumps me as soon as i walk in the door. always takes me in the back and starts with a good bj and then wants more action. end up banging her there every time. only charges me for the bj.
tried dr. bj's on soi 7/1 recently and had a good time there with a gal named jane. very friendly nice body, smallish tits and cute face and not rushed. enjoyed dr. bj's a lot more than [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) as they seem way to mechanical there. had 1 gal there actually get annoyed that i was taking too long. will have to give som's heaven a go next trip.
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Who would have ever throught that HotShaneHot is probably the last of the Travellers on this board?Now THAT is funny! It's also disturbingly accurate. :)
That beeing said I still have a blast in the BKK's FL pick up clubs for the same price as in 07/08 (3 K LT and allways real LT, hell sometimes even to long LT) so I am not at all affected by this BF and bar downtalking stuffs. Why go there if it is so bad? Why not change MO? Just asking.
Well, many of us don't go there anymore. I haven't been to a go-go in years. $200 for 30 minutes? I can do that in Tijuana for half the price and save $2,000 in airfare.
Yes, I think the FL market is the way to go in many locations now. In April I was surprised at the overall quality in, of all places, the Soi 7 Biergarten. So, as you said, the FL venues are much more interesting hunting grounds. However, these sorts of places take a bit more effort and time. The Tourist isn't going to bother if it can be spoon-fed to him elsewhere.
Member #4387
07-10-14, 20:00
In April I was surprised at the overall quality in, of all places, the Soi 7 Biergarten. So, as you said, the FL venues are much more interesting hunting grounds. However, these sorts of places take a bit more effort and time. The Tourist isn't going to bother if it can be spoon-fed to him elsewhere.Hell yes on the same day as I did the Climax routine I was stralling around and stopped by Biergarten (BG) for a cold brew. I guess it was like 2 pm. Never have I seen so many ladies inside at these hours and the quality also averagely quite decent to good with one or two possible describe as stunners. I put normal BG standards when evaluating. Almost so I broke my own promise to myself not bringing a girl back. I downed my beer all in a hurry, paid up and left in a hurry before my hormones took charge.
Crocodilexp
07-10-14, 23:34
That's just not correct. I've been coming here since 1993 and over that time 99% of my exchanges were for short time. One of the few English phrases girls knew back in those early days was "short time long time? Nominally yes, but back in the day (before 2008 or so, the longer ago the better), the customary short time was different.
In my experience, majority of the girls would hang out, talk to you a bit, have sex, then linger for some time and maybe have another shot if you're up for it (sure, this would carry an expectation of a small tip, but they would almost never mention it, or oh, lord, bargain hard). It was rare that a girl would stay for much under an hour for ST unless you chase them out.
These days, the standard seems to be to immediately jump in the shower, do the act, then after the deed jump to shower and start dressing and putting on makeup before the customer is even out of the shower. Not quite Amsterdam RLD yet, well on the way.
There were some interesting comments in a 2014 Stickman column re the nose diving value of Bangkok gogos & a recent visit to Thermae coffee shop. Also secret cameras taking video in the short time room & the age of girls during the 1990's Siam HIV heyday:
"I'm not sure what everyone's moaning about. I visited the much-maligned Thermae for the first time this week and could barely fight them off. And my name's not Tojo".
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Bangkok-bar-stories.htm
Prices more now than 20 or 30 years ago? To put that in perspective, generally everything in the entire world is way more, including wages. You didn't have the internet with oceans full of free porn or sites like ISG in 1990, either.
Girls used to chat & hang around after STs? I pay them to leave, not act like clingy GFs. But if that's your thing, you can still find them FOTF in LOS & elsewhere in SEA.
There were some interesting comments in a 2014 Stickman column re the nose diving value of Bangkok gogos & a recent visit to Thermae coffee shop. Also secret cameras taking video in the short time room & the age of girls during the 1990's Siam HIV heyday:
"I'm not sure what everyone's moaning about. I visited the much-maligned Thermae for the first time this week and could barely fight them off. And my name's not Tojo".
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Bangkok-bar-stories.htm
Prices more now than 20 or 30 years ago? To put that in perspective, generally everything in the entire world is way more, including wages. You didn't have the internet with oceans full of free porn or sites like ISG in 1990, either.
Girls used to chat & hang around after STs? I pay them to leave, not act like clingy GFs. But if that's your thing, you can still find them FOTF in LOS & elsewhere in SEA.I don't want to hang out with them either, but I want skilled un-rushed service.
Prices are far more than double what they were 15 years ago. Can't point to many things that have inflated that much. And most wages are not that much more, see the shrinking middle class.
Nope, even in the mid 90's when I used to mainly drink / bang in Patpong the girls were all LT. If I wanted a quicky I'd go to the Kangaroo bar, otherwise I'd just get a girl from a bar. I don't ever remember even discussing ST or LT way back then.
I haven't been to Patpong for years, these days I'm too lazy to go too far from Soi Cowboy.No worries. My memory fades of exactly what year I first got STs in Phat Pong. Definitely before was prevalent in Cowboy. Could have been very late 90's, could have been earlier. All of us are suffering from slightly fuzzy memories.
I also have not been to Phat Phong much in recent years, not even to SOL for years, since Som and Ae left.
Well, many of us don't go there anymore. I haven't been to a go-go in years. $200 for 30 minutes? No idea why you wrote $200 for 30 minutes. I don't see anything that crazy going on. I have seen super hot girls asking for 3 K for ST, but most are lower, and its up to the punter how long he takes, unless we talk about rip off type girls in Rainbow 4.
Prices are far more than double what they were 15 years ago. Can't point to many things that have inflated that much. And most wages are not that much more, see the shrinking middle class.These days you get a lot more Baht for your dollar than 15 years ago. So real cost is different to perceived cost. I reckon a bowl of soup noodles probably also doubled in 15 years and got smaller. I am guessing a bit since I generally don't eat noodles, but I have heard Thais complaining about cost of noodles and how small is the serve.
I think you will find that sex prices inflated very rapidly in the 90's and early part of the 2000's but more slowly for at least the last 10 years. 12 years ago I was paying 1 K to the girl direct in an MP for sex on top of the massage. Now the price for sex in Oily is still basically 1500, even though most places have switched to all inclusive price (girls typically get 1400 now). Gogo bar prices no doubt went up far more. 23 years ago, Cowboy standard price for LT girl was 500. I am not sure precisely when LT price escalated dramatically, since I was not doing any LTs for quite a few years. Would be interesting to see the timeline of both ST and LT prices over the years.
Certainly LT is not such a bargain in the modern day, especially with girls " too hot", and I am mostly taking STs, or MP quick visits. I even found that could get a girl for ST in the evening and get her to agree to re visit again in the morning, without needing to stay the whole night. I am quite used to sleeping alone.
LT is not much available or too expensive, no matter. Collect girls phone numbers and arrange for them to make a ST visit at a non-conventional time of day.
These days you get a lot more Baht for your dollar than 15 years ago. So real cost is different to perceived cost. I reckon a bowl of soup noodles probably also doubled in 15 years and got smaller. I am guessing a bit since I generally don't eat noodles, but I have heard Thais complaining about cost of noodles and how small is the serve.
I think you will find that sex prices inflated very rapidly in the 90's and early part of the 2000's but more slowly for at least the last 10 years. 12 years ago I was paying 1 K to the girl direct in an MP for sex on top of the massage. Now the price for sex in Oily is still basically 1500, even though most places have switched to all inclusive price (girls typically get 1400 now). Gogo bar prices no doubt went up far more. 23 years ago, Cowboy standard price for LT girl was 500. I am not sure precisely when LT price escalated dramatically, since I was not doing any LTs for quite a few years. Would be interesting to see the timeline of both ST and LT prices over the years..Actually it is the opposite. 15 years ago the exchange rate to the USD was 40 plus to 1. Now it is 32 and change. Prices are also up. So when you combine the two it is quite an increase.
I found prices to be very stable till about '06.1 k ST no matter what gogo, FL joint, or where ever I was pulling from. Exceptions were Spasos and CM2, where you had to part with 2 k and street gals who were 500 baht. Since the coup in 06 things started to increase in price rapidly and after the big floods many gals just did not come back to "work" and there has been a bit of a shortage so to speak ever since.
True that oily and soapy prices have remained quite stable. They used to be poor value but now great value compared to gogos and many free lance venues.
Actually it is the opposite. 15 years ago the exchange rate to the USD was 40 plus to 1. Now it is 32 and change. Prices are also up. So when you combine the two it is quite an increase.
I found prices to be very stable till about '06.1 k ST no matter what gogo, FL joint, or where ever I was pulling from. Exceptions were Spasos and CM2, where you had to part with 2 k and street gals who were 500 baht. Since the coup in 06 things started to increase in price rapidly and after the big floods many gals just did not come back to "work" and there has been a bit of a shortage so to speak ever since.
True that oily and soapy prices have remained quite stable. They used to be poor value but now great value compared to gogos and many free lance venues.Back in 1992 B300ST / B500 LT was standard at B25/$1, but that eroded quite a bit not long after, to where it was more like B500/1,000 from many of the better lookers. Baht crash was July 1997 with lowest trough around Jan. 1998 (a few days at 54 but more likely 46). Then 1999/2000-ish suddenly all go-go girls wanted B1,000ST around that era, I believe, with some on street and Thermae's still B500. Some wanted B1500ST / B2000-2500 LT starting around 2006, as mentioned, with pricing even worse today (B2000ST from some in go-gos, maybe more).
Even though 32.3 or whatever it is isn't 25, it's still way up in constant dollar terms, thanks to both a stronger baht and price hikes in baht. As a general rule most things are twice as expensive now as in 1999 if converted to US $, with a few exceptions like hotels (still a good deal), but with the boom-boom going up even faster than inflation.
If you can get a decent performer at a place like Biergarten at B1000 it's a good thing to utilize. Have also noticed some go-gos seem to be pushing upstairs STs, though I haven't investigated pricing. Obviously they want less downtime for girls and more potential cycles, but sometimes it works out more expensively for the customer (barfine vs. Loom, vs. Barfine) and Thais aren't always good at looking at that angle. OTOH, if you take her off the mamasan could start calling (I had that happen even at 1 am On a weeknight).
With soapies I was around B900-1200 all-in if I went to one of the places near Phetchburi Rd. On foot without any taxi driver around. Last time I was at Nataree they started around 2,000 from the bowl, and 2,000-2,500 for girls sitting around. The big change seems to be that before you could assume they'd do the raft routine, whereas nowadays you have to make sure you'll get that and many girls don't do it. Maybe the newer customers are none the wiser and pick totally based on age / looks / lack of experience (pricing on sidelines would indicate that), but those who haven't gotten the full soapy course don't know what they're missing.
You've also got Korean or even Japanese influence over pricing at select places like Thermae's or Baccara, whereas before that was a Thaniya Plaza thing.
Maybe health care and college tuitions have gone up faster, but wages in the west definitely haven't.
Obvious answer for now is to try other places like Pattaya that started at lower price points and aren't up quite as badly (though are definitely up), if you can. But I'm "captive" to Bangkok for business reasons for at least 7-10 days a trip, and I'm sure others are in the same boat.
Even though 32.3 or whatever it is isn't 25, it's still way up in constant dollar terms, thanks to both a stronger baht and price hikes in baht. As a general rule most things are twice as expensive now as in 1999 if converted to US $, with a few exceptions like hotels (still a good deal), but with the boom-boom going up even faster than inflation.
Agree. Everything is 100% more except for hotels. 3 k used to provide a rock star lifestyle in BKK with travel to other countries at least every other month. Now that is just getting by.
Back in 1992 B300ST / B500 LT was standard at B25/$1, but that eroded quite a bit not long after, to where it was more like B500/1,000 from many of the better lookers. Baht crash was July 1997 with lowest trough around Jan. 1998 (a few days at 54 but more likely 46). Then 1999/2000-ish suddenly all go-go girls wanted B1,000ST around that era, I believe, with some on street and Thermae's still B500. Some wanted B1500ST / B2000-2500 LT starting around 2006, as mentioned, with pricing even worse today (B2000ST from some in go-gos, maybe more).
Even though 32.3 or whatever it is isn't 25, it's still way up in constant dollar terms, thanks to both a stronger baht and price hikes in baht. As a general rule most things are twice as expensive now as in 1999 if converted to US $, with a few exceptions like hotels (still a good deal), but with the boom-boom going up even faster than inflation.
Wow, thanks for the detail. Interesting that prices may have gone up the most when the Baht crashed. I had not thought of that possibility. I probably started at Chao Praya II Soapy in the late 90's and price was probably a little higher than your super cheap ones in Petchburi. When the Baht crashed, these Soapies seemed a hell of a lot cheaper. My currency was not in sync with US dollar, so my currency still buys a hell of a lot more Baht than my early times in Thailand.
You do confirm my suspicion that the really steep price rises in go-gos may have been more in the 90's than since 2000.
2 K is a common price for ST these days, but there are plenty of girls (in the top gogos) initially asking to get 2. 5 K (negotiable), and some even going to 3 K depending on the popularity of the establishment, the "hotness" of the girl, and the types of customer the girl typically manages to get. You can imagine that Japanese customers are probably paying the highest prices in general as they are seen as wealthy.
So if for example, in Bacarra, a highly altered girl who looks like a Ladyboy (ugly plastic looking to me), may well be in sufficient demand with Japanese customers as to manage to get 3 K regularly. Once a girl manages 3 K regularly, she will not see a reason to drop to less, unless customer is known to be really easy to satisfy.
On the other hand I am still finding girls in go-gos who are not discussing the price with me, and are either too shy, or trust my judgement. I do like to take a girl without negotiation, where possible, and I do vary the payment depending on how good she was, how much time spent fucking, etc. , effort, looks etc.
In Crazy House, there has been an occasional request for me to pay full fee up front. I have not ever done that, and since they know my face, there is no problem. Its entirely possible, having paid, that a bad girl could take any opportunity to do a runner without the sex. There are a lot of casual girls not working every day. On the other hand girls have been burned by customers who fuck and then mysteriously seem to have no money. That is why MPs are largely changing to "all in" prices.
Its clear to me that Japanese form a much larger portion of the go-go customers than what we saw 15 to 20 years ago. This would have affected the price, especially in bars with a lot of Japanese. So a typical ST in Suzi Wong, Doll House and Long Gun might be 2 K, but Shark, Baccarat, and Crazy House is likely to see 2. 5 K as typical price, with Japanese customers dominating. Some girls in Crazy House that are very popular with young Japanese, don't show any interest in me, whatsoever. They would assume I will be much more difficult (want extended fuck) and pay less. Some girls are even scared of Farang size.
Its lucky for me, that the Japanese usually don't like the brown girls, leaving them wide open for me. I don't care what the skin colour is.
Its very interesting that guys have generally always seen LT price as being less than double the ST price, and yet the modern day popular bargirl is considering that LT price should be double ST price, or even more. This causes girls to seem very reluctant to take LT at all, if they believe they can get 3 STs without much difficulty.
I hope everyone remembers that is Buddhist Asaalaha day (wien thien) today (11 July). So I guess bars may not be open, and Khao Phansaa day tomorrow (definitely no alcohol allowed for the holy day), where monks go into retreat.
Hope you all have fun with MPs instead, or have the girl phone numbers. I arrive back in Bangkok to see the bargirls on Monday, just missing the holidays.
Its very interesting that guys have generally always seen LT price as being less than double the ST price, and yet the modern day popular bargirl is considering that LT price should be double ST price, or even more. This causes girls to seem very reluctant to take LT at all, if they believe they can get 3 STs without much difficulty.Used to be 500 baht more than ST price. 1 k ST 1. 5 k LT. Many gals liked LT as they did not have to hustle so much and would usually get a meal or two out of it as well. And of course 15 years ago most gals were looking for long term relationships. Now they make so much money the last thing they want is a hubby, well until they are over 30 and reality starts to kick in.
Wow, thanks for the detail. Interesting that prices may have gone up the most when the Baht crashed. I had not thought of that possibility. I probably started at Chao Praya II Soapy in the late 90's and price was probably a little higher than your super cheap ones in Petchburi. When the Baht crashed, these Soapies seemed a hell of a lot cheaper. My currency was not in sync with US dollar, so my currency still buys a hell of a lot more Baht than my early times in Thailand.
You do confirm my suspicion that the really steep price rises in go-gos may have been more in the 90's than since 2000.
2 K is a common price for ST these days, but there are plenty of girls (in the top gogos) initially asking to get 2.5 K (negotiable), and some even going to 3 K depending on the popularity of the establishment, the "hotness" of the girl, and the types of customer the girl typically manages to get..I think the Crazy House ladies are right they are right, if I were a girl I would much prefer to fuck young guys, Japanese or not, than an old man like me, especially if they pay more.
The Farang size is a bit of a legend, you pay more and your dick will shrink. These ladies are used to toys that are bigger than your dick.
ActionOriented
07-11-14, 14:20
I hope everyone remembers that is Buddhist Asaalaha day (wien thien) today (11 July). So I guess bars may not be open, and Khao Phansaa day tomorrow (definitely no alcohol allowed for the holy day), where monks go into retreat.
Hope you all have fun with MPs instead, or have the girl phone numbers. I arrive back in Bangkok to see the bargirls on Monday, just missing the holidays.Will SC and NEP go gos remain open inspite of the no alcohol day tomorrow (Saturday)? I am not fussed about being served drinks (hardly drink) but it would be a bummer to see all of these places closed up.
P.s. What about Climax / Mixx etc? Can someone recommend any alternatives for tomorrow night in case both the Go-Gos or the clubs are likely to be closed.
Traveler1234
07-11-14, 14:51
Wow, thanks for the detail. Interesting that prices may have gone up the most when the Baht crashed. I had not thought of that possibility. I probably started at Chao Praya II Soapy in the late 90's and price was probably a little higher than your super cheap ones in Petchburi. Back in late '70's the fx rate was 40:1 and two full hour soapie at the top MP was 800 fishbowl and 1200 for sideline superstar. The latter usually had her own room, with super large jacuzzi and assortment of toys. My favorite back then was the old Bangkok Cozy, which was a glittzy place.
Back then, the girls 'took pride' in their work, LOL.
Went to Annies not to long ago. Late afternoon usually good time of day there. Things have changed. 2700 for a soapie, fishbowl only with about 6/7 average ladies no sideline at all and when asked mamasan said nothing coming later tonight. So prices there have gone up and selection down IMHO.
Just got back from Bangkok and what an amazing time I had. First a big thanks to the guys here. Cannot imagine how anyone ever managed Bangkok without ISG! My flight arrived from UK at around 330 pm and I was out with my luggage in about 45 minutes. I changed money at the Kasikorn Bank counter in the basement. That seemed to have the best rates. Also bought a SIM card. I had written to Bamboo beforehand to book Cheer for an overnight. Wanted to start with someone I was sure would be good service!
Reached my hotel at around 630 pm. Cheer was in my room at 8! Not the most stunning looks, but great body and great service. She also has a friendly personality so I had a great time. The service was GFE / pse. As soon as she came out of the shower (I had just showered the minute before she walked in) she pulled my towel, went down on her knees and started giving me a great BBBJ. Subsequent to that I remember there being a lots of fingering, reverse oral and sex (including anal). We then went out for dinner to place she picked (can't remember the name) and when we returned. Had some of the best sex ever. It was like being with a gf. I slowly undressed her. And we made love. She really gets into it and seems to enjoy herself. By then I was wiped out and slept. Woke up in the morning to the sound of the shower. So once she came out showered myself and then another round of great sex! She left around 9 am. I paid her the 5 k+1 k tip. Thankfully did not spend that kind of money again on a LT during the trip but I do not regret it. After she left, I went for breakfast.
A word about the hotel. I stayed at Dream on Soi 15. Great hotel, very girl friendly. Never made to feel awkward about it and decent breakfast as well. Paid just about 2 k per night.
After the breakfast I was still tired, so took another nap and then in the afternoon walked to Health Land and got a great 2 hour thai massage for 500 BHT. Post the massage I was fresh again so went to Cherry Massage and brought BB back with me to my room. Now she was a bit of a disappointment. Better looking than Cheer, a sweet soft personality as well but not much fingering and a little more reserved than I like my girls to be.
That night I went to Climax. As I walked in I saw this petite stunner, just about 5 ft, great tight body and a beautiful smile. I chatted her up, offered her a drink. At one point I asked her if she kissed and she grabbed my face and stuck her tongue into my mouth. I asked her for ST and she said yes. 1500 is what we agreed on. We were dancing together for some time and she held my hand put it on her wet pussy. Also started playing with me and so we quickly got out of there! Back in the hotel, she was a dynamite in bed (but no anal and that does not bother me). Lots of DFK, BBBJ, reverse oral and very spirited sex. She rode on me top, we did missionary, doggy and also some standing up leaning against the mirror. She was really good so I asked her if she would stay LT and she said yes. Agreed for 2500. It was almost 4 am by the time we slept. Woke up around 10, another round of great sex and she left at about 1130. I took her number, but unfortunately lost it. Looked for her again in Climax on subsequent days but could not find her. Her name was Joy.
That afternoon I happened to cross Beer Garden. Just popped in, out of curiosity and I think punting will never be the same for me again! Met the most amazing girl ever, and no I am not in love!
I got a drink, sat down and looked around didn't see anyone that interested me till I saw this girl sitting with a few friends in the corner towards the back. Went upto her and sat next to her. Given my brown skin was met with a little apprehension. But once I spoke I guess she figured my accent, asked me where I was from and when I said London suddenly seemed to relax. Later on we had some great conversations about Indians in Bangkok. But I guess enough has already been discussed about it here. Her name is Nok and she usually works from the BG. Is 5 ft5 ish, Chinese origin, good English, very sexy body, great ass and amazing friendly person. She agreed for 1500ST. We walked back to the hotel and then after the showers, the fun began. Another superstar in bed. Lots of kissing, great BBBJ, lovely sex and responds amazingly to DATY. Was full of very natural maoning and screaming and even came a couple of times. When we finished, it was around 5 pm and because I was having a great time. (Including some great conversations) with her I asked her for LT. She asked 3000 and I agreed.
That evening we went to togerher to Spanky's and SW. Also did Rainbow not to my taste. I wanted to take anothr girl for a lesbian session but it was too early to bf anyone so around midnight w went to Climax. Not many girls are up forma lesbian show and Nok with great enthusiasm helped looked for another girl. Finally we found one, she agreed for 1500ST and off we went to the hotel. Both girls really got into it, eating each other's pussy, sucking the nipples and one one point I had one sitting on me while the other was sucking me. Heaven! Nok made this girl come, and she suddenly started making excuses about how she had a friend waiting in Climax and she needed to leave. I was hoping to fuck her, but didn't force her to stay. Paid her off. Gave her no tip and then got going with Nok. Another session of great sex and afterwards when we were in the shower I asked her to stay back for another day.
The next day great sex in the morning and then we went sight seeing during the day, some more sex in the evening, great dinner, visit to a bar and then we tried Insomnia. The place was dead at around midnight so I cut my losses and went to Climax. We wanted to pick up another girl for a lesbian session but that didn't work out so we returned at around 1 and went to bed.
Next day Nok had to leave for her village she was going to see her son so she left around 10 am. Nok was just the complete package, great company, awesome in bed and genuinely a nice person. Never did she try to extarct more money out of me. Infact she would tell me not to take a taxi and to just walk as the place we were going to was close! I cannot recommend her enough. If you would like to see her, just to go BG and ask for her. Let her know Roy told you about her and I am sure she will be happy to hear that. I know she is already back in Bangkok and will be in BG tomorrow!
By late afternoon I was missing her and called her to see if she had a friend she could recommend. She said yes and said would call me a little while. She called me in 5 minutes and asked me to go to BG and meet with Min in about 30 minutes. She sent me Min's number and I called her to fix it up. In about 45 minutes I was in BG sitting with a very sexy Min. She is about 5 ft6, great boobs, nice ass. While Nok has a Chinese look to her Min is darker skin. But she is a lady. Very polished. She is quiter than Nok is but is a tigress in bed. You will hear her scream and bend into all kinds of shape if you hit it well. That night was spent with Min and the next day morning I had to leave.
I had planned on being with more girls, but I had such a great time with Nok and Min that didn't bother me. I am in touch with htem both. Min says she may be coming to London, so that would be great and if not I am sure I will see them both again in Bangkok!
Once again, thanks guys for answering all the questions, sharing your experirnces. If I can help in any way. Would love to!
Got quoted 3 K ST recently at Shark and almost choked on my water. She then offered to drop it to 2. 5 K as if that was a major concession.
For the record, I'm as attractive as she was.
Just a couple years ago I was regularly being quoted 2 K at everywhere except Baccara, which quickly fell to 1. 5 K on request.
Nightlife areas have mostly been really dead this year. Even Shark will usually just have a few Japanese guys sitting and staring blankly at the stage and not buying.
I've been getting a lot of 1000 bt sex at dinky massage parlors from girls who sit around bored all day until I walk by.
I don't want to hang out with them either, but I want skilled un-rushed service.
Prices are far more than double what they were 15 years ago. Can't point to many things that have inflated that much. And most wages are not that much more, see the shrinking middle class.The only prices I care about are the FL streetwalkers. Their rate hasn't changed since at least 2007 when I first came to LOS. 1000 baht ST. If I had opted for similar looks & service in my home Western country, it would have cost me 6 to 7 figures more than what I paid in LOS, if I could have found it at all. That's the only comparison that matters, not living in other people's wet dreams about 1960, 1975 or 1998.
Anyone that can't get "skilled un-rushed service" in 2014 hasn't been paying attention to ISG, needs to get out more or failed to keep a little black book over the years.
Paul Kausch
07-12-14, 01:01
I've been back a week following three weeks in Bangkok and an unexpectedly long trip home.
I used up some Skymiles on a flight to LAX. From there I took Cathay Pacific to HKG and on to BKK. Cathay Pacific offers a premium economy class on some flights. After watching the promotional video on the website I decided to book it. It was a few hundred dollars more than regular economy. This turned out to be an excellent decision. Due to a change of equipment the premium economy class was not available on the HKG to BKK leg. I got a refund of a couple hundred dollars and an upgrade coupon that I used to take business class from LAX to HKG. Same thing happened with the HKG to LAX leg on the flight home so I got another free upgrade to business class on that leg. I love Cathay Pacific business class! Lots of good food, all the free booze I wanted, included Johnny Walker Gold, and a flat-bed to sleep on. My flight home from LAX was in high demand so I exchanged my seat for a redeye to JFK with a flight home the next morning and a voucher for US$1000. Same story at JFK where I traded my seat for vouchers for meals, a hotel room and US$1300. Got home 36 hours late but with US$2300 in vouchers for future flights. A lady working the desk in the SkyClub lounge at LAX told me retired people are adept at working these voucher offers. She claimed many travel extensively without ever paying for a ticket.
I stayed at the Sofitel Sukhumvit at a good rate, US$110 per night. At check in I asked for and received a free upgrade to a club room on the 28th floor. Comfortable room, very good breakfast buffet, friendly staff, good maid service, very good gym for a hotel and a convenient location. Will definitely stay there on my next trip. It appears I have been elevated one level in the Club Accor program because now I can book a room at this hotel for US$100 during high season.
My first night on the town was the Thursday just before curfew ended. Checked out Soi Cowboy and Crazy House around 8-9 pm. Soi Cowboy was dead. Crazy House was almost full. There were a couple of available seats when I walked in. The upstairs was empty. The downstairs stage was packed. Every lady on the stage was attractive, some were very attractive. A few girls wore G-strings with no tops. Most were completely naked. A few of the girls looked to be mid-teen. Most loooked late teen to mid-twenties. A couple looked to be around thirty. On several subsequent visits I did not see another lineup as stunning as on this night. One night the lineup was so poor I walked out. On a couple of occasions the lineup was not significantly better than in several of the bars I visited on Soi Cowboy. One of the Crazy House staff claimed that the youngest girls are mid-teens. She claimed Crazy House gets away with this because the real owner is a high ranking police officer. Because there is at least one dim-witted simpleton on this forum who doesn't realize that sometimes people repeat another person's statements without necessarily believing the statements to be true, let me be clear: I have no idea if this is true. I'm just repeating what I was told.
Thermae is next to my hotel. I stopped in there a couple of times and walked past it almost every night. By far the best looking girls I saw on this trip were there. Some were dolled up to appeal to the Japanese men. They did not appeal to me. No doubt I did not appeal to them. On two occasions, once mid-week and once on a Friday, I went inside, found it full of East Asian men and many, many very attractive ladies. It was clear the majority of them had no interest in this old farang. However, on both visits a couple dozen or more very attractive ladies made it clear they would be most happy to accompany me back to my hotel.
Overall it was a nice visit. One night was particularly fun.
My plan is to write a number of reports over the next week or so about my various mongering experiences.
The only prices I care about are the FL streetwalkers. Their rate hasn't changed since at least 2007 when I first came to LOS. 1000 baht ST. If I had opted for similar looks & service in my home Western country, it would have cost me 6 to 7 figures more than what I paid in LOS, if I could have found it at all. That's the only comparison that matters, not living in other people's wet dreams about 1960, 1975 or 1998.
Anyone that can't get "skilled un-rushed service" in 2014 hasn't been paying attention to ISG, needs to get out more or failed to keep a little black book over the years.Pink, I have lived in BKK for 15 years. Skilled un-rushed enthusiastic services was the norm then, it is not now. I would say out of every 100 gals 90 were great. Not the case today. It takes a lot of effort to find a decent looking gal that performs. Exception being the oilies. I stopped taking FL street gals after a 6 month run where I honestly booted 15 out of 20 gals. They were all in the wrong profession. Problems? No DFK, short BJs, constantly wiping their mouth on a towel during the BJ or wiping their mouths, no fingering, freaked out when I tried to lick their ass, telling me "you come now," etc. All of those are "your out of there" offenses in my book. Of course I never get angry. I just get up, get dressed, give the girl a small amount depending on how far things progressed and leave. I would not want a gal to do anything she does not want to do, but hey she is a sex worker. If she can't provide a GFE or a PSE then she is in the wrong biz. Personally I fault the punters who settle for poor performance and pay full fees for it. The excuse I hear is "its better than I can get back home. " Well, it will be exactly what you get back home if the trend continues and dudes don't accept poor performance.
Actually that is the only comparison that does not matter. This is not the West and what you would pay there is completely immaterial. Again see above.
Anyone that can't get "skilled un-rushed service" in 2014 hasn't been paying attention to ISG, needs to get out more or failed to keep a little black book over the years.And Pink, have a look at tptp76's description of sex with Cheer a few posts below. That pretty much sums up experiences with the vast majority of gals I took "back in the day. " It also sums up my expectations of every gal that I take with the exception of A levels. As I stated, maybe one in ten were not up for that type of sex. FLs, gogo gals, etc. Now you have to go to the oilies to have the same percentage chance of getting it. I was a FL guy back then as well. Had hundreds of gals out of Thermae pre-'07 before the complete Japanese takeover. There were none there till late '01.
My first night on the town was the Thursday just before curfew ended. Checked out Soi Cowboy and Crazy House around 8-9 pm. Soi Cowboy was dead. Crazy House was almost full. There were a couple of available seats when I walked in. The upstairs was empty. The downstairs stage was packed. Every lady on the stage was attractive, some were very attractive. A few girls wore G-strings with no tops. Most were completely naked. A few of the girls looked to be mid-teen. Most loooked late teen to mid-twenties. A couple looked to be around thirty. On several subsequent visits I did not see another lineup as stunning as on this night. One night the lineup was so poor I walked out. On a couple of occasions the lineup was not significantly better than in several of the bars I visited on Soi Cowboy. One of the Crazy House staff claimed that the youngest girls are mid-teens. She claimed Crazy House gets away with this because the real owner is a high ranking police officer. Because there is at least one dim-witted simpleton on this forum who doesn't realize that sometimes people repeat another person's statements without necessarily believing the statements to be true, let me be clear: I have no idea if this is true. I'm just repeating what I was told.
Yes we just call it a "rumour" when its hearsay, and what you actually see are "experiences". I never saw girls in Crazy House wearing G strings so that was weird. Probably temporary measure. The line up can vary, and deteriorates when late. In general the line up has gone down hill over time in that there are some relatively ordinary girls and even a couple of ugly ones. Fortunately there are still some very superior looking girls there.
I don't BF girls there so often, but have sometimes. 2 were good, most average and one looked good but very poor. YMMV.
Reached my hotel at around 630 pm. Cheer was in my room at 8! Not the most stunning looks, but great body and great service. She also has a friendly personality so I had a great time. The service was GFE / pse. I took Chia / Cheer at Mango once. Although service was good (could not be faulted), in the end she just didn't have the looks and sex appeal to really enthuse me, so I never repeated. I must be the crazy one who is very looks oriented. So no matter how good the service is, I really need a lot more pretty and a sleek sexy body is best for me.
I did do Cat and Cherry at Mango several times, as their looks appealed more, without being stunning. Cat was not quite slim but acceptable and cute face.
Crocodilexp
07-12-14, 03:05
The only prices I care about are the FL streetwalkers. Their rate hasn't changed since at least 2007 when I first came to LOS. 1000 baht ST. I share your preference. The 1000 baht price has not changed, but in 2007 it was a no-negotiation price that got you a good looking under-30 streetwalker who'd usually perform well, for 2 shots if you asked. These days, 1 k is the rock-bottom price at Sukhumwit, taken by uglier girls, and only reluctantly after they try to negotiate, realize their prospects are grim and ain't getting more. The scene has gone down the drain in terms of average quality and numbers too.
If I had opted for similar looks & service in my home Western country, it would have cost me 6 to 7 figures more than what I paid in LOS, if I could have found it at all. Comparison only holds for sex deserts like the US / UK / Saudi Arabia. The West includes places like Frankfurt where 30 euro (1200 baht) gets you laid, although for something decent you need to shell out 2-4 times that. To be honest, Sukhumwit freelancers are not even close to good looking, so looks are not a major sticking point, though service is still usually better in Thailand.
Anyone that can't get "skilled un-rushed service" in 2014 hasn't been paying attention to ISG, needs to get out more or failed to keep a little black book over the years.Of course you can still get it from the repeats or oilies. But it used to be the 90% chance of getting it from any girl you pick, and some mongers like me have a penchant for trying out new girls. If I wanted to stick to the same few girls over and over, the giks would do the job just fine (though this route takes more time and is not viable past a certain age).
Member #4698
07-12-14, 03:14
I've been back a week following three weeks in Bangkok. Overall it was a nice visit. One night was particularly fun. My plan is to write a number of reports over the next week or so about my various mongering experiences.Hey Paul. It's good to hear from you stranger. I assumed your absence from the forum could only have meant you were having a great time in BKK. I am looking forward to reading about your experiences in the big Mango. I am in the middle of writing my own trip report. It is taking forever, but I am beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
I liked CH when I was there. Some of the CH girls are really hot and a couple of those girls got pretty wild in the bar trying to convince me to barfine them, which they succeeded in doing. I wish I was with those two CH girls right now! I visited Thermae a couple of times myself when I was in town, and although most of the girls seemed more than willing, I passed. I did not see anyone I had to have. I guess it was just not in the cards this trip.
Paul Kausch
07-12-14, 04:06
Yes we just call it a "rumour" when its hearsay, and what you actually see are "experiences". I never saw girls in Crazy House wearing G strings so that was weird. Probably temporary measure. The line up can vary, and deteriorates when late. In general the line up has gone down hill over time in that there are some relatively ordinary girls and even a couple of ugly ones. Fortunately there are still some very superior looking girls there.
I don't BF girls there so often, but have sometimes. 2 were good, most average and one looked good but very poor. YMMV.Strictly speaking rumors and hearsay are two different things. A rumor is a piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth. Hearsay is unverified information heard or received from another. The important difference is in one case the original source is known, in the other it is not. The person who made the claim about Crazy House's ownership is known to me, so my statement is hearsay. Because I am not going to disclose who told me this, if you repeat my statement you are spreading a rumor.
Even though I spent more time at Crazy House than in any other single venue, it was not my favorite hangout. On my first visit to Crazy House I enjoyed the delectable eye candy and ended up BFing one of the older ladies, on whom I will soon write a report. I think I kept going back hoping for another lineup like the one I saw the first time. I also spent time at Suzy Wong, Baccara and Doll House in Soi Cowboy; and Rainbows 1 & 4, Spanky's and Mercury in Nana Plaza. Mercury had the best drinks at the best prices and the friendliest, no pressure attitudes. The ladies were on par with those at the other venues. Frankly, other than my first visit to Crazy House, I didn't see huge variations in the quality of the lineups from one venue to the next. Each venue had some ladies whom I found unattractive and a couple whom I enjoyed looking at. At every venue I was indifferent to most of the ladies.
Eric Swiss
07-12-14, 04:20
Will SC and NEP go gos remain open inspite of the no alcohol day tomorrow (Saturday)? I am not fussed about being served drinks (hardly drink) but it would be a bummer to see all of these places closed up.
P.s. What about Climax / Mixx etc? Can someone recommend any alternatives for tomorrow night in case both the Go-Gos or the clubs are likely to be closed.As a service to the community, I decided to pick up my boots and go check out the situation in the Nana area yesterday (Friday) night. Expect it will be the same tonight (Saturday) because it is also a religious holiday.
First, Nana Entertainment Plaza is closed. All the lights are off, there is nobody in, and there is a bored-looking guard sitting at the entrance preventing people from entering the Plaza. So no go-go bars!
However, there is still some action to be had. As you walk down Soi Nana, there are massage parlors with girls in uniform hanging out on the edge of the sidewalk offering their services. I did not partake, but I am pretty sure these include some sort of "release". You can easily tell the proper massage places from the naughty ones, and there weren't many proper ones.
Then there are plenty of streetwalkers lining up Soi Nana. On one side they are pretty much all real women (not ladyboys). These are not streetwalkers as much as streetstanders, because they do not move much. A guy who lives next door remarked that the offering was much better in quality and quantity than a normal day, probably because all the girls who normally work in go-go bars got thrown back on the street instead.
I actually picked up a cute one named Mii. I paid 1000 Baht for short time. While walking towards the hotel I asked her if she'd be willing to show her Identification Card to the hotel clerk. She frowned a bit at that and the vibe started to chill but I plowed through as if nothing had happened. Inside of course she did not show her I. The. Card, and I did not bring it up again, but she had gotten the message and was very respectful of my belongings, never being outside the shower without me. So I did the right thing in the end.
A skillful bit of finger-fucking her pussy soon evaporated the tension, and I had a great time. Towards the end I had her fuck me in the reverse cowgirl position. It looked like she would go on forever bouncing up and down my cock. Now that's unrushed service! Just the thought of banging her forever made my cock explode, of course, and forever turned into 30 seconds. But I'd banged her hard in 3 other positions before so I definitely got my money's worth. At the end she just collapsed on my shoulder and lay there unmoving, a touching display of exhaustion that no other hooker had ever done to me before. I must be getting better with age.
Anyway, if you want drinks, there are a couple of bars open on Soi Nana serving beer, albeit in a more discreet way than usual (plastic tinted glass, not bottle). So the ban on alcohol is only "selectively" enforced. There were also a lot of touts in their tuk-tuks handing out flyers about this place or that place being open, but I did not take them up on it, so I don't know the quality.
One thing I noticed is that at 2 am when the bars closed there were some stunning girls appearing from nowhere on the street trying to get paying customers. So that maybe a good plan, if you can stay sober that long. There was one in particular who was eye-fucking me, and I almost gave in, but amazingly reason (or tiredness?) prevailed.
In summary, it's not a regular night, but if you come to Nana something always happens.
I share your preference. The 1000 baht price has not changed, but in 2007 it was a no-negotiation price that got you a good looking under-30 streetwalker who'd usually perform well, for 2 shots if you asked. These days, 1 k is the rock-bottom price at Sukhumwit, taken by uglier girls, and only reluctantly after they try to negotiate, realize their prospects are grim and ain't getting more. The scene has gone down the drain in terms of average quality and numbers too.
Comparison only holds for sex deserts like the US / UK / Saudi Arabia. The West includes places like Frankfurt where 30 euro (1200 baht) gets you laid, although for something decent you need to shell out 2-4 times that. To be honest, Sukhumwit freelancers are not even close to good looking, so looks are not a major sticking point, though service is still usually better in Thailand.
Of course you can still get it from the repeats or oilies. But it used to be the 90% chance of getting it from any girl you pick, and some mongers like me have a penchant for trying out new girls. If I wanted to stick to the same few girls over and over, the giks would do the job just fine (though this route takes more time and is not viable past a certain age).Croc, spot on. Agree 100%. Back "then" I hardly ever repeated with girls. Took two or three new gals every week and almost everyone of them was great. Did not have to cultivate anything. Now I am hesitant to take new gals even at the oilies as it is really YMMV now.
BKK is a shadow if its former self compared with 10 years ago. I don't think anyone who lives here would disagree.
And Pink, have a look at tptp76's description of sex with Cheer a few posts below. That pretty much sums up experiences with the vast majority of gals I took "back in the day. " It also sums up my expectations of every gal that I take with the exception of A levels. As I stated, maybe one in ten were not up for that type of sex. FLs, gogo gals, etc. Now you have to go to the oilies to have the same percentage chance of getting it. I was a FL guy back then as well. Had hundreds of gals out of Thermae pre-'07 before the complete Japanese takeover. There were none there till late '01.That poster's report was exactly what I was thinking about in remarking that what interests you can be easily found in 2014.
Moreover experienced guys living in LOS for many years should have had little trouble hooking up with hotties for great service at bargain basement prices, as is regularly reported on these forums.
Regarding Thermae, some recent reports indicate it is making a come back.
Although if it's the 1990's you want to relive & time travel back to, with clingy GFE everywhere & LTs & always cheaper than LOS, you might consider some other SEA destinations.
Personally I'll stick with LOS as the best place on the planet for the last 7 years & into the forseeable future. But if there's somewhere else you think is better, or even similar, please do tell.
Crazy4Thai
07-12-14, 08:38
Will SC and NEP go gos remain open inspite of the no alcohol day tomorrow (Saturday)? I am not fussed about being served drinks (hardly drink) but it would be a bummer to see all of these places closed up.
P.s. What about Climax / Mixx etc? Can someone recommend any alternatives for tomorrow night in case both the Go-Gos or the clubs are likely to be closed.What I've seen in the past when places are closed (and sorry I cannot tell you either way but my guess is yes, they are closed) is that the hotel bars remain open. On Soi 4 Golden Bar at the Nana Hotel looks like a beacon in the dark. Not that you are looking for alcohol, but the number of freelancers on the street seems to multiply as they have no where else to go either. The massage places are open too and that gives you much to choose from. Oilies, soapies and knock shops masquerading as massage shops.
Of course you can still get it from the repeats or oilies. But it used to be the 90% chance of getting it from any girl you pick, and some mongers like me have a penchant for trying out new girls. If I wanted to stick to the same few girls over and over, the giks would do the job just fine (though this route takes more time and is not viable past a certain age).My experience this afternoon is a perfect example. Went to Cherry and tried one of the new gals. It was meh at best. No rimming, lackluster BJ with poorly developed skill set, did not even want a finger in her tuchus. No action in the shower, fake moaning, urgh, need I go on? And this is at a PSE place!
What do I expect? A PSE experience. A gal that pins my legs in the air and rims me like a starving sea lamprey. A gal that shoves her tongue down my throat when we first kiss. A gal that gets that hungry crazed look in her eye and revels in making me squirm. I don't care if she is just a good actress. A gal who can take me up and down several times before I shoot my first load. A gal who even though I am spent is bound and determined to get a second or third shot out of me. A gal that knows how to use her body in every which way. In short a gal who has sex like she is making a porn flick or is screwing a boyfriend she is hot for.
Harken back to the days of Barons and then Tulip. Saeng said, "All girls do everything. " And she meant it. If you booked a gal at Tulip then you knew what you were in for. No guessing, no wondering, no exceptions. Gals that did not perform did not last.
Today those gals are few and far between. Why? Because most punters accept what they get. If the service is sub-par they won't tell the owner and many times won't even comment to the gal. Add to it owners who don't train the gals properly and this is what you get. Mediocrity.
strictly speaking rumors and hearsay are two different things. a rumor is a piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth. hearsay is unverified information heard or received from another. the important difference is in one case the original source is known, in the other it is not. the person who made the claim about crazy house's ownership is known to me, so my statement is hearsay. because i am not going to disclose who told me this, if you repeat my statement you are spreading a rumour.
yeh yeh, the person who told you may have been told by someone else.
splitting straws doesn't matter. you get information from another person, you still don't "know" it. labelling it a "rumour" certainly makes it clear its not a fact in one concise word. i am not criticizing your story by the way. it is probably / possibly quite true. i have seen certain establishments like crazy house flout the alcohol rules too. as of ****, that is real common in the bars. anyway if someone told me something, i am quite happy to call it a "rumour" with no problem. e. g. the rumour i heard, from a possibly reliable source in cowboy bar management, is that there is strong suspicion that the "arab" runs his coyote bars to launder money as they have no hope of making a real profit. sounds more reasonable than the other rumour that he is trying to stamp out prostitution. lol. i have been into one of his bars on occasion, but they were never busy, so was hard to see hope of reasonable money coming in even if drinks were expensive.
some guys in bars are very talkative and tell me some very far fetched stories at times. some of the most unbelievable could easily be close to the truth. one would never know.
nothing we read on the forum can be considered fact, even if some writers are fairly reliable. so rumours, hearsay, whatever are acceptable. what i don't particularly like is when someone reads something controversial some where else and then re posts it, just to stir up trouble, then claims they don't necessarily agree with it.
one guy sees a girl leave somewhere on a motorbike driven by a young thai man. some have the imagination to make wonderful speculation of what that all means, how often he gets sex, etc. for me its just girl left on motorbike driven by someone else. i don't care if he is a boyfriend, a gay, a cousin, a paid driver, or whatever.
Paul Kausch
07-12-14, 11:45
yeh yeh, the person who told you may have been told by someone else.my eyes told me there were very young girls on the stage; my source was one of crazy house's managers, who told me to take one of them upstairs if i was interested. otherwise i would not have bothered repeating the story. my main point isn't who the real owner is, it is that the girls there who look **** apparently are ****.
My eyes told me there were very young girls on the stage; my source was one of Crazy House's managers, who told me to take one of them upstairs if I was interested. Otherwise I would not have bothered repeating it.Sure. No disagreement. I thought the topic was the possible ownership by the Police. The age issues are very well known.
My last girl at CH was "19" and her tits still seemed to be growing, as definitely looked bigger than a few months earlier, increased from B+ cup to a C++ cup. I did not check Id, but she did not ask me to go upstairs. I hope she really was 19. I would like to go again.
my eyes told me there were very young girls on the stage; my source was one of crazy house's managers, who told me to take one of them upstairs if i was interested. otherwise i would not have bothered repeating the story. my main point isn't who the real owner is, it is that the girls there who look **** apparently are ****.my eyes told me the same and that is why i have not returned.
SirWilliam4
07-12-14, 12:14
What I've seen in the past when places are closed (and sorry I cannot tell you either way but my guess is yes, they are closed) is that the hotel bars remain open. On Soi 4 Golden Bar at the Nana Hotel looks like a beacon in the dark. Not that you are looking for alcohol, but the number of freelancers on the street seems to multiply as they have no where else to go either. The massage places are open too and that gives you much to choose from. Oilies, soapies and knock shops masquerading as massage shops.Beer Garden is busy this afternoon. The only difference is that you cannot get beer in a bottle. It has to be served in a glass. Go figure!
SW.
Member #4698
07-12-14, 13:49
**** girls in ch? i don't believe it. it defies reason, logic and business sense. furthermore, it is one of those slanderous rumors that can never be 100% disproved. for what earthly reason would the owners with a large amount of invested capital venture to risk throwing it all away? ch is not some back alley shop in chinatown where that kind of thing may be available for an almost entirely asian clientele. sukhumvit soi 23 is times square. nobody could expect to get away with running a go go with a few **** girls for very long and there is no economic justification for it. i went to ch a number of times. no one came up to me and asked if i wanted an **** girl for 5000bt. all the girls were going for 2500bt st and all were over 18. business was booming. rumor, innuendo, slander; i don't care what you call it, unless you know for a fact there are **** girls there, it is very unwise to post such frivolous speculation. this web site has spies. just slinging a few of these words together probably captures a record mechanism. do we want cowboy go go's raided and harassed like ac bars? there is a huge damper on the vibe in ac at the moment. it is less fun there than it used to be. 99% of the raids failed to produce one **** girl. the raids were nothing more than extortion exercises and pr stunts. so please cut it out. a 19 year old can look mighty young. so what? her looks do not mean a damn thing.
i fear that this post is going to generate a response and this topic will live on for a few weeks. i wish that were not the case. let's try to be responsible in what we write. unless you have first hand info please refrain from adding to the speculation and rumor.
Western787
07-12-14, 15:57
My eyes told me the same and that is why I have not returned.Yes, eyes can tell. Same thing with that (supposedly) "19 year old" massage girl that solicits me almost every time I exit Villa Market on Soi 11. Something very very fishy going on in that plaza.
Western787
07-12-14, 16:32
On the other hand girls have been burned by customers who fuck and then mysteriously seem to have no money. Picture this: High season, 3 AM in the vicinity of NPL, a women's voice is heard yelling along with (apparent) distinct sound of fists contacting human flesh echoing down the Soi, the (sparse by that hour) "crowd" then moves toward the commotion which seems centered near the Tuk Tuk waiting area (to the right of the Nana sign) near where the (I believe) phone booth is, where a 5 ft petite pretty redhead FL is seen among other things dragging around a middle age Chinese bloke and at various times kicking him in the chins and smacking him in the face. The dude is beaten mercilessly for 20 minutes, has his glasses broken, and (wisely) does not respond in kind.
The particular girl is actually quite pleasant most times, although generally volitile even on a good day. Too much booze or yabba and watch out. She was obviously quite a stunner in her day, but is still fairly hot, and would certainly turn heads in London or other places where Ballbusting fems run the show. As it turns out, she she didn't appreciate not being paid, and decided to administer punishment right there and then.
Lesson: "FL's don't take checks."
On the other hand, maybe the dude is just a cheap ass S & M bloke looking for a free beating. NPL in the early AM hours is not exactly where The Chamber of Commerce goes to look to find its "Most Outstanding Citizen of the Year" recipient.
ActionOriented
07-12-14, 16:35
What I've seen in the past when places are closed (and sorry I cannot tell you either way but my guess is yes, they are closed) is that the hotel bars remain open. On Soi 4 Golden Bar at the Nana Hotel looks like a beacon in the dark. Not that you are looking for alcohol, but the number of freelancers on the street seems to multiply as they have no where else to go either. The massage places are open too and that gives you much to choose from. Oilies, soapies and knock shops masquerading as massage shops.Thanks for the suggestion, cowboy is closed tonight, I checked.
NEP only places open are Suckers, angelswitch and dc-10.
Wolvenvacht
07-12-14, 17:07
I don't believe it. It defies reason, logic and business sense.Isn't that the case with most crime? BNP having beeen the banker of criminal regimes now pay a record fine and more banks are to follow that route. Yet when they committed those criminal acts, the thought of being caught never seems to have occurred to them.
This has actually been researched: most criminals are vain and think themselves to be geniuses. They think they are of course much better than the police and they will never get caught. Hence, in their twisted minds it makes perfect business sense to being a criminal.
So it is the risk of being caught that determines whether a criminal act is done or not (excluding crimes of passion or revenge, of course): "buying protection" may lower this perceived chance of being caught sufficiently to make criminal acts worthwhile. Perfectly sensible business, really!
Paul Kausch
07-12-14, 17:55
**** girls in ch? i don't believe it. it defies reason, logic and business sense. furthermore, it is one of those slanderous rumors that can never be 100% disproved.natty,
as syzygies points out it is common knowledge that some of the girls are in the 14 - 15 age range, and they look it, even after factoring in the youthful thai female appearance. my first night there i was sitting in the back, where the alternate shift of girls wait to go on stage, trying to act suave and debonair. :cool: a person who appeared to be directing the girls and mamasans asked me who i liked. i said all of them, which was mostly true. i then remarked some of the girls can't be over 16. the reply i got was that they weren't, but i could take them upstairs with no worries. it was then i was told the real owner is a big muckity-muck police officer. it does make good business sense if you know you can get away with it, which apparently is the case. recently the sec asked for information from some members of congress and their staff regarding insider trading. they were told to fuck off! congress does it because they know they can get away with it.
i too hope this topic doesn't get beat to death, but i think it is good if newbies looking for information are aware of the situation at crazy house, which is why i brought it up in the first place. i know this age thing has been mentioned in the past, but having recently used the forum to research some new destinations i know how easy it is to miss something unless it gets a lot of attention. we may remember a discussion on a topic from six months ago, but is it reasonable to expect a new reader of this thread to go back that far?
paul.
ActionOriented
07-12-14, 18:01
Looks like 12 onwards they will start serving liquor. Should heat things up. While most places at NEP are closed, the places that are open have decent stock. Still considering whether to bar fine or to try my luck on the street.
As a service to the community, I decided to pick up my boots and go check out the situation in the Nana area yesterday (Friday) night. Expect it will be the same tonight (Saturday) because it is also a religious holiday.
First, Nana Entertainment Plaza is closed. All the lights are off, there is nobody in, and there is a bored-looking guard sitting at the entrance preventing people from entering the Plaza. So no go-go bars!
However, there is still some action to be had. As you walk down Soi Nana, there are massage parlors with girls in uniform hanging out on the edge of the sidewalk offering their services. I did not partake, but I am pretty sure these include some sort of "release". You can easily tell the proper massage places from the naughty ones, and there weren't many proper ones.
Then there are plenty of streetwalkers lining up Soi Nana. On one side they are pretty much all real women (not ladyboys). These are not streetwalkers as much as streetstanders, because they do not move much. A guy who lives next door remarked that the offering was much better in quality and quantity than a normal day, probably because all the girls who normally work in go-go bars got thrown back on the street instead.
I actually picked up a cute one named Mii. I paid 1000 Baht for short time. While walking towards the hotel I asked her if she'd be willing to show her Identification Card to the hotel clerk. She frowned a bit at that and the vibe started to chill but I plowed through as if nothing had happened. Inside of course she did not show her I. The. Card, and I did not bring it up again, but she had gotten the message and was very respectful of my belongings, never being outside the shower without me. So I did the right thing in the end.
A skillful bit of finger-fucking her pussy soon evaporated the tension, and I had a great time. Towards the end I had her fuck me in the reverse cowgirl position. It looked like she would go on forever bouncing up and down my cock. Now that's unrushed service! Just the thought of banging her forever made my cock explode, of course, and forever turned into 30 seconds. But I'd banged her hard in 3 other positions before so I definitely got my money's worth. At the end she just collapsed on my shoulder and lay there unmoving, a touching display of exhaustion that no other hooker had ever done to me before. I must be getting better with age.
Anyway, if you want drinks, there are a couple of bars open on Soi Nana serving beer, albeit in a more discreet way than usual (plastic tinted glass, not bottle). So the ban on alcohol is only "selectively" enforced. There were also a lot of touts in their tuk-tuks handing out flyers about this place or that place being open, but I did not take them up on it, so I don't know the quality.
One thing I noticed is that at 2 am when the bars closed there were some stunning girls appearing from nowhere on the street trying to get paying customers. So that maybe a good plan, if you can stay sober that long. There was one in particular who was eye-fucking me, and I almost gave in, but amazingly reason (or tiredness?) prevailed.
In summary, it's not a regular night, but if you come to Nana something always happens.
Of course you can still get it from the repeats or oilies. But it used to be the 90% chance of getting it from any girl you pick, and some mongers like me have a penchant for trying out new girls. If I wanted to stick to the same few girls over and over, the giks would do the job just fine (though this route takes more time and is not viable past a certain age).Back in the 1990's you didn't have the widespread use of technology like cell phones, the internet & sites like ISG that make mongering so much more convenient & easy in 2014.
Nowadays without even leaving his room a guy can read forum reports & PM thousands of members to gain an endless supply of new girls. In the 2010's a semi inteligent monger could easily hit the alleged 90% of the 1990's.
Not only could he hit that figure in Thailand, but in other nations all over the planet.
Moreover in so doing this hobbyist could save all the time he wasted in the 1990's in leg work & sitting around in bars etc searching out his desired lady preferences. Additionally there is also the potential savings in costs such as transportation, drinks, tips & bar fines.
Things are also way better now as regards STIs, infrastructure & comforts.
Natty,
I then remarked some of the girls can't be over 16. The reply I got was that they weren't, but I could take them upstairs with no worries.Ever come to your mind that pimps and WG's will tell you also what you want to hear: Do you think they can openly keep and offer these girls just like that?
Lots of girls now dress and appear as japanese as there is a strong presence of japanese customers, but they are not japanese.
Lots of girls know lots of guys are looking for young girl and they try to appear as much young as possible, just to suit the market.
I bet that if you said, I only go with 20 yo girls, the guy would have shown you her I'd to prove she was ok and you could have her.
I am not saying there are not girls as such but not in such an obvious way.
My two cents.
Hi mate,
I am thinking of doing a trip soon from UK.
Overall how did you rate the experience and where did you stay? Was it the same hotel all the way through?
Just got back from Bangkok and what an amazing time I had. First a big thanks to the guys here. Cannot imagine how anyone ever managed Bangkok without ISG! My flight arrived from UK at around 330 pm and I was out with my luggage in about 45 minutes. I changed money at the Kasikorn Bank counter in the basement. That seemed to have the best rates. Also bought a SIM card. I had written to Bamboo beforehand to book Cheer for an overnight. Wanted to start with someone I was sure would be good service!
Reached my hotel at around 630 pm. Cheer was in my room at 8! Not the most stunning looks, but great body and great service. She also has a friendly personality so I had a great time. The service was GFE / pse. As soon as she came out of the shower (I had just showered the minute before she walked in) she pulled my towel, went down on her knees and started giving me a great BBBJ. Subsequent to that I remember there being a lots of fingering, reverse oral and sex (including anal). We then went out for dinner to place she picked (can't remember the name) and when we returned. Had some of the best sex ever. It was like being with a gf. I slowly undressed her. And we made love. She really gets into it and seems to enjoy herself. By then I was wiped out and slept. Woke up in the morning to the sound of the shower. So once she came out showered myself and then another round of great sex! She left around 9 am. I paid her the 5 k+1 k tip. Thankfully did not spend that kind of money again on a LT during the trip but I do not regret it. After she left, I went for breakfast...
Western787
07-12-14, 18:59
thunderball
bond "sir, i respectfully suggest that you assign me to nassau."
m "is there a reason besides your enthusiasm for [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118)?"
bond "perhaps this, sir. "
m "well?
bond "there was a photograph of that man in this dossier you gave us."
his name is derval. i saw him last night at shrublands, but he was dead. "
group capt pritchard "not possible. he was seen boarding the vulcan. took off last night. ".
m "if he (bond) says he saw derval last night at shrublands and he was dead.
that's enough for me to initiate enquiries. ".
Western787
07-12-14, 19:06
most criminals are vain and think themselves to be geniuses. Some even become the President of the United States.
Western787
07-12-14, 19:25
There was one in particular who was eye-fucking me, and I almost gave in, but amazingly reason (or tiredness?) prevailed.
That happened to me once at Terminal 21, but I turned away because I didn't have the 100,000 bahts with me.
Wolvenvacht
07-12-14, 19:39
Some even become the President of the United States.Sure, fortunately then the Americans came to their senses and elected Obama.
Paul Kausch
07-13-14, 00:05
Ever come to your mind that pimps and WG's will tell you also what you want to hear: Do you think they can openly keep and offer these girls just like that?
Lots of girls now dress and appear as japanese as there is a strong presence of japanese customers, but they are not japanese.
Lots of girls know lots of guys are looking for young girl and they try to appear as much young as possible, just to suit the market.
I bet that if you said, I only go with 20 yo girls, the guy would have shown you her I'd to prove she was ok and you could have her.
I am not saying there are not girls as such but not in such an obvious way.
My two cents.Duh, really pimps and WGs tell ya what ya want to hear. Gosh never occurred to me. Thanks for letting me know. I'm joking with you. I think your'e absolutely right. Rule number one for mongers is to never believe a word people in the P4 P industry tell you. Which is not to say I don't think some of them will be straight with you once you get to know them. Just be careful who and what you believe.
I think my tone made it clear I didn't approve of them showcasing such young girls. I was surprised at the matter of fact response I got. On a couple of other visits I noticed some of the people working there had attitudes I didn't care for and have not encountered at other venues. Hmmm.
On my first visit I was blown away by the quality of the lineup and the way a bunch of buck naked young women worked the crowd. I had no problem with the ladies and the mamasans, and I did BF one of the older woman. In fact she claimed to be one of the two oldest woman working there, at 31. What an odd thing to boast about. A report on her and some photos are coming; but first I've got to stop wasting time on this topic.
In the end, after my last visit I decided I really didn't like the place and have no desire to go back on my next trip. Just my opinion.
Back in the 1990's you didn't have the widespread use of technology like cell phones, the internet & sites like ISG that make mongering so much more convenient & easy in 2014.
Nowadays without even leaving his room a guy can read forum reports & PM thousands of members to gain an endless supply of new girls. In the 2010's a semi inteligent monger could easily hit the alleged 90% of the 1990's.
Not only could he hit that figure in Thailand, but in other nations all over the planet.
Moreover in so doing this hobbyist could save all the time he wasted in the 1990's in leg work & sitting around in bars etc searching out his desired lady preferences. Additionally there is also the potential savings in costs such as transportation, drinks, tips & bar fines.
Things are also way better now as regards STIs, infrastructure & comforts.Actually this is the problem. When there was less information available mongering was far better. Less dudes, more hidden gems and locales. Gals also had to interact more with punters and actually work. And to make matters worse bringing all these places to "light" has also led to all the crackdowns.
First. I read the forum yet had I hooked up with a more experienced BKK hand, I might have salvaged the trip.
I was told in advance that "3 weeks is too much time in BKK" and that I should have planned to go to Pattaya, yet.
Tastes vary, so I forged ahead solo. I booked a great deal for a room in the "trendy apartments" on Soi 11 I think.
Became a regular at Spanky's bar in front of the building and frequently went to the Villa market for groceries, beer.
Etc. At one point I befriended a mamasan from one of the massage places who ended up fucking my brains out.
Several nights in a row in my apt. Mistake. I found myself sneaking out of my building via the Sukhumvit entrance.
So as to avoid the 18 hr / day surveillance from her girls.
The one time I brought a beer garden girl (big disappointment) back via Sukhumvit I had her walk ahead of me.
Through the Sukhumvit entrance and past the security. In March it's damned hot also, I might return again but if.
I do, it won't be in March!
Eric Swiss
07-13-14, 06:52
First. I read the forum yet had I hooked up with a more experienced BKK hand, I might have salvaged the trip.
(...) At one point I befriended a mamasan from one of the massage places who ended up fucking my brains out.
Several nights in a row in my apt. Mistake. I found myself sneaking out of my building via the Sukhumvit entrance.
So as to avoid the 18 hr / day surveillance from her girls.Hello Dornyone,
I'm not sure what the mistake was. Getting your brains fucked out definitely qualifies as an accomplishment rather than a failure. That's pretty much the objective.
Maybe the mistake was not changing hotels halfway through?
Eric
Wolvenvacht
07-13-14, 08:21
First. I read the forum yet had I hooked up with a more experienced BKK hand, I might have salvaged the trip.
I was told in advance that "3 weeks is too much time in BKK" and that I should have planned to go to Pattaya, yet.
Tastes vary, so I forged ahead solo. I booked a great deal for a room in the "trendy apartments" on Soi 11 I think.
Became a regular at Spanky's bar in front of the building and frequently went to the Villa market for groceries, beer.
Etc. At one point I befriended a mamasan from one of the massage places who ended up fucking my brains out.
Several nights in a row in my apt. Mistake. I found myself sneaking out of my building via the Sukhumvit entrance.
So as to avoid the 18 hr / day surveillance from her girls.
The one time I brought a beer garden girl (big disappointment) back via Sukhumvit I had her walk ahead of me.
Through the Sukhumvit entrance and past the security. In March it's damned hot also, I might return again but if.
I do, it won't be in March!Reading your posting, it doesn't sound as if you did very bad. Having a hot mamasan servicing you with great sex several nights in a row, is something many of us would rate high on our to-do lists!
And you found out that social control in Thailand is rather strict and there are eyes everywhere? Actually, it is only as strict as you let it be. Just smile as you walk past. Of course, you will not get the same kind of service from your mamasan anymore. Even in LOS you cannot eat your cake and still have it too.
Everyone of us will have had a less stellar experience from time to time, but even my worst sessions in SE Asia still rated much better than the average of my sessions in Europe. And it is cheap in Thailand to forget the bad session with a much better one, a few hours later.
The weather is something you will have to suffer, unless you limit your stay in Thailand to the "high season" period (November. February). Travel and accomodation will be more expensive; the agogo clubs will be more crowded with punters; there will be more competition for the better girls; ... up to you to see if the cooler weather warrants all of that.
But let these small hick-ups not spoil your appetite to come back. It is my personal experience that the more time you spend here, the better you become in more easily discovering the good providers and enjoying your trip even better.
In March it's damned hot also, I might return again but if.
I do, it won't be in March!I liked your report. I know we all want quantity and variety, but it sounds like Mamasan too care of you. My question,. What is wrong with March in BKK? That was my target time.
Actually this is the problem. When there was less information available mongering was far better. Less dudes, more hidden gems and locales. Gals also had to interact more with punters and actually work. And to make matters worse bringing all these places to "light" has also led to all the crackdowns.Your personal subjective opinion is that mongering was better when you were way younger. I wonder why. There are way more girls in 2014 than 1999, with many gems who are never revealed in public reports, but via the PM system on sites such as this.
My point is that it's better now, to those who are willing & able to adapt with the changing times & take advantage of the information age with its technology. Others who don't evolve get left behind, always frustrated & disappointed, ever sadly reminiscing about days of old.
IME things just get better over the years, as I become an increasingly more savy punter from the newbie who arrived in LOS years ago.
Actually this is the problem. When there was less information available mongering was far better. Agree. The best stuff in life is kept secret!
Western787
07-13-14, 17:45
First. I read the forum yet had I hooked up with a more experienced BKK hand, I might have salvaged the trip.
I was told in advance that "3 weeks is too much time in BKK" and that I should have planned to go to Pattaya, yet.
Tastes vary, so I forged ahead solo. I booked a great deal for a room in the "trendy apartments" on Soi 11 I think.
Became a regular at Spanky's bar in front of the building and frequently went to the Villa market for groceries, beer.
Etc. At one point I befriended a mamasan from one of the massage places who ended up fucking my brains out.
Several nights in a row in my apt. Mistake. I found myself sneaking out of my building via the Sukhumvit entrance.
So as to avoid the 18 hr / day surveillance from her girls.
The one time I brought a beer garden girl (big disappointment) back via Sukhumvit I had her walk ahead of me.
Through the Sukhumvit entrance and past the security. In March it's damned hot also, I might return again but if.
I do, it won't be in March!18 hour surveillance? LOL, try 24/7. You were probably also being tracked on GPS. Competition is tough these days, and hookers have to know where their customers are spending their money.
I loved my time there. Planning to go back in Dec. I suggest spend your time on the forum and read up and you will be well prepared! I stayed the whole time at Dream Hotel, but for Dec. I am exploring other options as studio apartments as well. Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions.
Hi mate,
I am thinking of doing a trip soon from UK.
Overall how did you rate the experience and where did you stay? Was it the same hotel all the way through?
Your personal subjective opinion is that mongering was better when you were way younger. I wonder why. There are way more girls in 2014 than 1999, with many gems who are never revealed in public reports, but via the PM system on sites such as this.
My point is that it's better now, to those who are willing & able to adapt with the changing times & take advantage of the information age with its technology. Others who don't evolve get left behind, always frustrated & disappointed, ever sadly reminiscing about days of old.
IME things just get better over the years, as I become an increasingly more savy punter from the newbie who arrived in LOS years ago.Dude, technology has brought out way more punters. There were way more gals on the game in 99 then there are now. Why? Because the economy was in the hopper. Staring salaries for Uni grads are way higher than 99. A gal could not live on what she was paid then and many supplemented their income through prostitution. Now, that need is not there, so what you are left with is the dregs. New found economic freedom has also meant that gals are choosing dudes around their own age now. Let's face it in 99 when the average starting salary for a Uni grad was 8 k a month, even with a partner making the same it was a struggle. Now a Uni grad can get about 20 k so that's 40 k for a gal and her Thai dude. More that enough for a decent start. In a few years they are making 60 and can look at a condo, car, etc. The "Thai" dream.
Sadly I am way more savvy. I speak the language, know the tricks, and see what is accessible and in the P4 P realm it is not so great. In fact, you are about the only resident I have heard say it is better now than it was.
If you were to talk about "dating" then I might agree with you. There are plenty of late 20's early 30's gals out there to date, but we are talking P4 P here.
Soi cowboy – CH. Very worried about ages, I know teens are present and would not want to accidentally get on the wrong end of the law.
Nana – Playskool - 85? Nice figure, slightly acne scarred face, been away for a bit with "bf", prepared to bareback.
Nana – Playskool. Kaew – getting 40 k from one absent dude and another 20 k from a 2nd back home, happy to have fun.
Nana. DC-10 - Small bar and not much talent, but can get away with quite a lot in the bar, one (sorry no name or number, Non?) very big squirter.
Nana. Car park FL – a couple who won't stop calling but the one who can't call (deaf) was great non-stop multi-pop.
Saphan Kwai – TDED99 – Very random, get what they sit down next to you (not got the guts to ask one to leave and choose another) but one of the best experiences when air-con cut out in ST hotel.
I liked your report. I know we all want quantity and variety, but it sounds like Mamasan too care of you. My question,. What is wrong with March in BKK? That was my target time.Maybe it was just me but it was too hot and humid. Mamasan did take care of business, gratis and I actually felt sorry for her, jaded though we both are.
Because of the heat, I spent way more time in the room than anywhere else, but the trendy apts do have a nice pool deck FWIW.
Hello Dornyone,
I'm not sure what the mistake was. Getting your brains fucked out definitely qualifies as an accomplishment rather than a failure. That's pretty much the objective.
Maybe the mistake was not changing hotels halfway through?
EricYes. Or going to Pattaya, as was suggested by another member.
Back in the 1990's you didn't have the widespread use of technology like cell phones, the internet & sites like ISG that make mongering so much more convenient & easy in 2014.
Nowadays without even leaving his room a guy can read forum reports & PM thousands of members to gain an endless supply of new girls. In the 2010's a semi inteligent monger could easily hit the alleged 90% of the 1990's.
Not only could he hit that figure in Thailand, but in other nations all over the planet.
Moreover in so doing this hobbyist could save all the time he wasted in the 1990's in leg work & sitting around in bars etc searching out his desired lady preferences. Additionally there is also the potential savings in costs such as transportation, drinks, tips & bar fines.
Things are also way better now as regards STIs, infrastructure & comforts.Thanks for reinforcing my point so succinctly. LOS has changed, for better or worse. It's now, as you described, a Tourist-oriented scene, not a Traveler-oriented scene.
Personally, I never thought time spent in bars, learning the ins and outs of the game, getting to know and hang with the girls, a waste of time. Sure, I didn't get to pork 20 girls in 5 days, but that was never the point.
Crocodilexp
07-14-14, 00:11
There are way more girls in 2014 than 1999, with many gems who are never revealed in public reports, but via the PM system on sites such as this.I don't go back quite to 1999, but compared to 2006 or so, the freelancer scene has obviously went down the drain. I doubt the PM system of this site can make up for dozens of decent mid-20's freelancers out on Sukhumwit each night (and plenty of new ones coming in), as there used to be.
Sure, dating sites offer more choice now in that segment, but that's comparing apples and oranges. For a Thai-speaking white guy under 50, I doubt dating Thai girls was ever much of a problem. Granted, it's a boon for the subset of guys looking for a relationship, who can use the internet but lack in people skills or Thai language skills.
Your personal subjective opinion is that mongering was better when you were way younger. I wonder why. There are way more girls in 2014 than 1999, with many gems who are never revealed in public reports, but via the PM system on sites such as this.
My point is that it's better now, to those who are willing & able to adapt with the changing times & take advantage of the information age with its technology. Others who don't evolve get left behind, always frustrated & disappointed, ever sadly reminiscing about days of old.
IME things just get better over the years, as I become an increasingly more savy punter from the newbie who arrived in LOS years ago.The scene is different. Whether or not it's better, or worse, is subjective. To my taste, it's worse because it lacks that indefinable, but real, "sanuk" quality.
However, I suggest you look at a few demographic studies. In fact, somebody posted one to Stickman's site a while ago, but I'm too lazy to find it. It had a very cogent analysis, along with visual aids. The cold, hard, fact of the matter is that the birth rate in Thailand has dropped through floor. Fewer girls mean fewer girls in the P4 P industry, no matter how you want to sugar coat it.
Add to that the booming economy, where women now don't have to work in a bar unless they want to. The result is that the dregs tend to wind up in the farang-oriented bars. Again, this is inarguable.
Personally, I think the freelance market is picking up. As the entire market changes into a short time Tourist-oriented one, the FL scene becomes a better alternative. No expensive lady drinks, no ridiculous bar fines, less BS overall.
Personally, I think the freelance market is picking up. As the entire market changes into a short time Tourist-oriented one, the FL scene becomes a better alternative. No expensive lady drinks, no ridiculous bar fines, less BS overall.I think that depends on one's modus operandi. For the guy who wants to do the internet thing (with dating or psuedo-dating) or hit the late night discos it might be a bit better. But for the dude that wants to head out to a FL joint like Tmae or Nana Disco, find a good looking semi-pro, speak a few words, and pop off to the ST hotel for a good sesh it is definitely worse. Having a girlfriend the last thing I want to do in engage in wh*remancing. The idea of having to meet a girl at a mall and have coffee or a meal with or trying to entertain a group of gals at a disco while listening to bad music at 3 am has never had any appeal.
Nana disco used to be awesome. You could head in about 1230 am (they closed at 2 am), do a lap, make eye contact, and boom you were golden.
Also the street scene was quite good. You could wander the odd side of Suk and meet countless girls. You could not go 50 meters without running into gals on the game every night. Now Lower Suk is just an ugly place. Dirty, full of an amazingly nasty demographic. I can't blame gals for not wanting to be there. It used to be just tourists and Western mongers. Now, Yesh!
Thermae started picking up about 1100 pm and stayed open till 6 am. GoGo gals who did not get BF would head there and by 230 the place was packed. Between Nana the and Thermae the FL scene on lower Suk was pretty amazing and required little to no effort. Oh, and if you were in Cowboy or Nana at closing gals who did not score a customer that night (and there were always scads of them) could be had as they were coming out of work. "Go with you" would be heard like an echo. You had to shoo them off like flies. Now they make so much cash they have no need to do that. It is work to find a good FL these days.
I don't go back quite to 1999, but compared to 2006 or so, the freelancer scene has obviously went down the drain. I doubt the PM system of this site can make up for dozens of decent mid-20's freelancers out on Sukhumwit each night (and plenty of new ones coming in), as there used to be.
Sure, dating sites offer more choice now in that segment, but that's comparing apples and oranges. For a Thai-speaking white guy under 50, I doubt dating Thai girls was ever much of a problem. Granted, it's a boon for the subset of guys looking for a relationship, who can use the internet but lack in people skills or Thai language skills.Could not agree with you more.
The scene is different. Whether or not it's better, or worse, is subjective. To my taste, it's worse because it lacks that indefinable, but real, "sanuk" quality.
However, I suggest you look at a few demographic studies. In fact, somebody posted one to Stickman's site a while ago, but I'm too lazy to find it. It had a very cogent analysis, along with visual aids. The cold, hard, fact of the matter is that the birth rate in Thailand has dropped through floor. Fewer girls mean fewer girls in the P4 P industry, no matter how you want to sugar coat it.
Add to that the booming economy, where women now don't have to work in a bar unless they want to. The result is that the dregs tend to wind up in the farang-oriented bars. Again, this is inarguable.
Personally, I think the freelance market is picking up. As the entire market changes into a short time Tourist-oriented one, the FL scene becomes a better alternative. No expensive lady drinks, no ridiculous bar fines, less BS overall.If I wasn't sure, it seems you are saying t is hard to good time in BKK.
I think that depends on one's modus operandi. For the guy who wants to do the internet thing (with dating or psuedo-dating) or hit the late night discos it might be a bit better. But for the dude that wants to head out to a FL joint like Tmae or Nana Disco, find a good looking semi-pro, speak a few words, and pop off to the ST hotel for a good sesh it is definitely worse. Having a girlfriend the last thing I want to do in engage in wh*remancing. The idea of having to meet a girl at a mall and have coffee or a meal with or trying to entertain a group of gals at a disco while listening to bad music at 3 am has never had any appeal.
Nana disco used to be awesome. You could head in about 1230 am (they closed at 2 am), do a lap, make eye contact, and boom you were golden.
Also the street scene was quite good. You could wander the odd side of Suk and meet countless girls. You could not go 50 meters without running into gals on the game every night. Now Lower Suk is just an ugly place. Dirty, full of an amazingly nasty demographic. I can't blame gals for not wanting to be there. It used to be just tourists and Western mongers. Now, Yesh!
Thermae started picking up about 1100 pm and stayed open till 6 am. GoGo gals who did not get BF would head there and by 230 the place was packed. Between Nana the and Thermae the FL scene on lower Suk was pretty amazing and required little to no effort. Oh, and if you were in Cowboy or Nana at closing gals who did not score a customer that night (and there were always scads of them) could be had as they were coming out of work. "Go with you" would be heard like an echo. You had to shoo them off like flies. Now they make so much cash they have no need to do that. It is work to find a good FL these days.Your point is well taken.
To clarify, when I wrote this I had in mind venues more like the Biergarten. IMHO, there has been a serious uptick in overall quality. My "theory," if you can dignify it with such a title, was that more of these sorts of venues might crop up. This same sort of venue, with local variations, exists in most countries I've visited. It serves the need of a short-time-centric market without the mega-hassle many of the go-gos have become.
I completely agree with your sentiments about the sewer of lower Suk, and I've never cared for the traditional FL joints like Spasso, et al, for much the same reasons.
If I wasn't sure, it seems you are saying t is hard to good time in BKK.I think that depends. If you are a first timer and you are a newbie to mongering then you will probably be thrilled as you have nothing to compare it to. But for most guys who have lived here for a time the P4 P scene is not that much fun anymore. Even my friends who were more hardcore than me (and I was out 4 to 5 nights a week for over 7 years) rarely hit the bars anymore. It has changed that much. And to top it off has gotten quite expensive to boot.
However, I suggest you look at a few demographic studies. In fact, somebody posted one to Stickman's site a while ago, but I'm too lazy to find it. It had a very cogent analysis, along with visual aids. The cold, hard, fact of the matter is that the birth rate in Thailand has dropped through floor. Fewer girls mean fewer girls in the P4 P industry, no matter how you want to sugar coat it.
Add to that the booming economy, where women now don't have to work in a bar unless they want to. The result is that the dregs tend to wind up in the farang-oriented bars. Again, this is inarguable.The Thai population grew by 10 percent from 2000 to 2012, by about 6 million people. So there are not fewer girls, but about 3 million more than before. If you looked at figures comparing 1999 to 2014 the number would probably be even larger.
Even with a minimum wage up to 300 baht per day now, I'm sure a lot of ladies would prefer to make ten times that for sitting around most of the day doing nothing, as opposed to hard labour in a factory or in the burning sun of rice fields, etc.
There is also the matter of supply & demand. With 2 or 3 times as many tourists coming to LOS in the 2010's compared to 15 years ago, there are probably 2 or 3 times as many tourists looking for sex with Thai P4 P gals.
Moreover the number of other foreigners living in Thailand, such as businessmen & retirees, seeking such "happy ending" services has likely also gone up significantly since 1999.
I'd suggest that if one tracked the estimates of organizations that research prostitution in Siam, you'ld find a huge increase in the numbers of "working girls" since the HIV heyday of the 1990's.
Girls have way more "working options" than they had before. There is, for example, numerous so-called dating sites, escort listings, craigslist, backpage & many others that didn't exist 10 or 20 years ago.
Could not agree with you more.Any time I went by Nana car park recently, the numbers of girls was well down from previous years (going back 20 years), however the quality of looks was better than I ever saw before, on one occasion. I think I had just exited Annies, or similar.
I don't pass there very often, so not necessarily a representative sample. Generally I am not doing freelancers any more. Years ago, yes, sometimes.
Add to that the booming economy, where women now don't have to work in a bar unless they want to. The result is that the dregs tend to wind up in the farang-oriented bars. Again, this is inarguable.
Arguable, absolutely. In fact a dumb statement. The economy booming?
There are plenty of girls just starting as newbies in a bar, who were previously at some street food stand, or similar. The level of customers was very disturbed by all the protests that were going on in Bangkok and outside Bangkok. The economy was not booming. The prices for rubber dropped through the floor. They simply were not getting enough money to make ends meet. Could have been suburb of Bangkok like Minburi or further up country like Suphanburi.
They start in the bar and sometimes only last a short time, as they don't like the work. In other cases, they keep coming back because they are making more money, and they can't do without that. Some are working the bar intermittently to fill in the money gaps. Can they think of some other job, without education that will provide the same bare minimum money needed to pay the bills? No.
Are they the Dregs? Well in terms of lacking a good education, they may be, but this has always been the case. No change there. Are there any good quality girls, for looks and overall character? Yes there are, not always in the same girl though. I don't bother to get to know the real "dregs" in a bar. In my case I would rate 50% of the young bar girls or more as over weight. That is the "dregs" for me. I don't care how well educated they are.
I did not go get a girl for the purpose of deep conversation. Its for sex. So looks and willingness to have fun is what matters.
And to top it off has gotten quite expensive to boot.In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.
The Thai population grew by 10 percent from 2000 to 2012, by about 6 million people. So there are not fewer girls, but about 3 million more than before. If you looked at figures comparing 1999 to 2014 the number would probably be even larger.
Please! You statement is true as long as nobody in Thailand ages. I'm not sure, but I think everybody does.
I don't know if this link will work or not:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=25
You can clearly see the decline. Thailand has gone from 16.86 births per 1,000 people in 2000 to 12.81/1,000 in 2012. That is a significant drop by any standard. Of course the population as a whole grew. However, as the girls in the industry age out there are far fewer to replace them. This is inarguable. The demographics clearly show that the population in Thailand is aging. It's not as bad as Japan, but it's unmistakable. There are and will be fewer and fewer "P4 P age" girls.
Arguable, absolutely. In fact a dumb statement. The economy booming?
There are plenty of girls just starting as newbies in a bar, who were previously at some street food stand, or similar. The level of customers was very disturbed by all the protests that were going on in Bangkok and outside Bangkok. The economy was not booming. The prices for rubber dropped through the floor. They simply were not getting enough money to make ends meet. Could have been suburb of Bangkok like Minburi or further up country like Suphanburi.
They start in the bar and sometimes only last a short time, as they don't like the work. In other cases, they keep coming back because they are making more money, and they can't do without that. Some are working the bar intermittently to fill in the money gaps. Can they think of some other job, without education that will provide the same bare minimum money needed to pay the bills? No.
Are they the Dregs? Well in terms of lacking a good education, they may be, but this has always been the case. No change there. Are there any good quality girls, for looks and overall character? Yes there are, not always in the same girl though. I don't bother to get to know the real "dregs" in a bar. In my case I would rate 50% of the young bar girls or more as over weight. That is the "dregs" for me. I don't care how well educated they are.
I did not go get a girl for the purpose of deep conversation. Its for sex. So looks and willingness to have fun is what matters.http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate
In May, 2014, Thailand's unemployment rate skyrocketed from 0. 90% to 0. 94%. I'd like to know what you consider booming. Obama has wet dreams about unemployment below 6%.
In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.You are NOT IN the US.
Paul Kausch
07-14-14, 18:30
Please! You statement is true as long as nobody in Thailand ages. I'm not sure, but I think everybody does.
I don't know if this link will work or not:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=25
You can clearly see the decline. Thailand has gone from 16.86 births per 1,000 people in 2000 to 12.81/1,000 in 2012. That is a significant drop by any standard. Of course the population as a whole grew. However, as the girls in the industry age out there are far fewer to replace them. This is inarguable. The demographics clearly show that the population in Thailand is aging. It's not as bad as Japan, but it's unmistakable. There are and will be fewer and fewer "P4 P age" girls.You hit the nail right on the head!
An analysis of Thailand's changing demographics requires looking at birth rates and mortality rates. Birth rates are declining, but the population increases because there is a larger drop in mortality rates. Your first sentence speaks directly to this point. More and more Thais are aging longer and longer. There are fewer young people and more middle age and elderly people in Thailand's growing population.
There are also more and better employment opportunities, at least in Bangkok. One of the ladies I spent considerable time with on the trip I just completed told me she could easily find a job paying B20K a month. She's a smart lady with good English skills but has little formal education. She said this is about how much she budgets for herself to live on in Bangkok; but she went into the P4P industry to send money home to rebuild her families house that was destroyed in a flood. She needs an income she can only make selling her body to have enough to live on and pay for the house her family is building.
Paul Kausch
07-14-14, 18:36
In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.There is ample information on this and other websites on ST and LT costs for gogo bar girls and freelancers. You can also find mass transit (BTS and MRT) costs on the internet. Typing "Bangkok taxi fares" into Google will give you an idea of how much taxis will cost. Food costs depend on where you want to eat, for example sidewalk stands versus tourist restaurants. Again lot's of info available through Google searches. You can also find US$ to baht exchange rates on the internet. Divide the prices in baht by the dollar to baht exchange rate (which should be something around 32) and you will have the cost in dollars. Don't worry. It's not rocket science. It just takes a little research and some basic arithmetic. Of course this does require an investment of a small amount of time and a very little bit of work.
Wolvenvacht
07-14-14, 19:03
In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.As your question is not very specific, the answer will be very rough too.
ST (about 1 to 2 hours, one pop) anything beween 30 USD (1000 baht) to 90 USD (3000 baht).
LT (one night, 1 or 2 pops before sleeping, one pop in the morning) anything between 75 USD (2500 baht) to 150 USD (5000 baht).
A whole day? I have no idea, I *guess* about 150 USD (5000 baht) should be enough. Food is cheap in Thailand: take her to a food court and for the two of you (breakfast, lunch and dinner) 30 to 40 USD will be fine, a bit more if you drink alcohol of course. Transportation by public transport is cheap: 10 dollar will take you a long way.
Paul Kausch
07-14-14, 21:39
my first night on the town was thursday, 12 june. curfew had not ended so i headed out for soi cowboy and crazy house at about 7 pm. as i walked past thermae i couldn't help but notice a good crowd of well dressed and very good looking young ladies were gathered outside. soi cowboy was dead. went into dollhouse, suzy wong and baccara. baccara had a decent crowd of japanese gents. the stage was full; the ladies were mostly pretty and naked; but the mood was subdued. i entered with no intension of staying. dollhouse and suzy wong were dead; one or two other customers; a smaller contingency of ladies on stage than i expected. all wore nothing but long faces. my entrance did not significantly improve the mood. i quickly left each establishment.
crazy house was a different story. it was mostly full of customers. i noticed about three open chairs; moved to the back just in front of the ladies waiting to go on stage and took a seat. the stage was packed. most ladies were nude. a few wore g-strings. i watched two lineups. the quality of the lineups lived up to my best expectations. i did not see one lady whom i did not find attractive. there was also a lively mood. while some of the ladies wore the zombie faces common among gogo girls, many were joking, laughing and having fun on stage. a few of the ladies from the alternate lineup were either sitting with customers or roaming the floor. all of these ladies wore nothing but their birthday suits. as each walked past me i got my balls caressed and a lot of bare skin rubbed against me. most enjoyable.
as other have reported, a few of the girls clearly looked ****. i would guess they were about 15. as i mentioned in my first report a couple of days ago, i got into a brief discussion with an employee who, sensing i disapproved, rather haughtily acknowledged that a couple of the ladies were that young. neither of us were in any mood to continue our conversation so he left and in a few minutes one of the mamasans, named pa, approached me. we hit it off and got into a discussion about the curfew. she said they were opening early, drawing a good crowd, but the number of bar fines was way down. she then asked if i was interested in one of the ladies. i answered that i was interested in most of the ladies and i needed her to help me narrow it down. she then asked if i wanted young versus old and big versus small breasts. i told her not too young and i preferred natural breasts. she then asked how i liked #32. number 32 appeared all natural and was one of the happy, animated ladies on stage whom several of the other younger looking ladies seemed to orbit around. pa told me at 31 she was one of the oldest ladies in the club. pa added that her english is excellent, she has a lot of experience and is a fun and happy lady. her behavior on stage confirmed that. i then told pa it was getting late, it was about 9 pm, so i'd like to see her as soon as her set is done. as #32 walked off the stage pa approached her. both looked over at me and #32 got a big smile on her face. cutting to the chase, i bought her and a friend of hers a lady drink, then settled the tab and headed out for my hotel.
in the room we chatted for a bit and then got down to business. the young lady told me her name was pen, which she pronounced like someone from the usa would say pin. said she was from issan, had worked in bangkok and pattaya for about ten years. got into the business because she had two children and a bum for a husband who liked to smack her around. she got rid of him and started dancing and fucking to support the kids who lived with mom. she had spent the last year in hua hin where she had a sponsor. when he stopped paying a couple of months ago she headed to bangkok. she lamented the paucity of bar fines; claimed the last one was 10 days ago, which meant she had very little money and was very horny. as you can tell, pen was very talkative. her english was excellent. who knows how much of her story was true. fortunately the one part that seemed to be true was that she was very horny, or a very good actress; but as she was wet before i even touched her, i'm inclined to believe she was in deed very horny. summing up the sex: good dfk, really got into daty, gave a cbj but aggressively so it was not bad. fucking was her forte; many positions; a couple of orgasms; and kept wanting more. one surprise was she really got into me playing with her ass. enjoyed having first a finger and then both of my thumbs in her asshole while i fucked her doggy, but i'll be damn, she wouldn't take my dick in her ass, and i was wearing a condom. another surprise was she had no interest in two toys i brought on the trip. one was an anal probe: a semi-rigid shaft with graduated sized balls on it with vibration. the other was an ina 2 by lelo. her remark was something like i don't need a vibrator, i've got your cock. i suppose that should have made me feel good, but i enjoy alternating fucking and toy play, trying to make women squirt or at least cumming until they are exhausted. we sucked and fucked from 9:30 pm to about 11:30 pm. over all she was a fun lady and a very good fuck. i gave her 2500 plus 100 for a taxi. if you think that was too much, sorry. i've written before, i'm fortunate, a few hundred baht are inconsequential to me; and i did believe her when she said she had few bar fines since arriving in bangkok. got her number before she left. i ended up calling her the next morning and arranged for her to come over at 2 pm before work. she said she had to be at crazy house by 4:30. she showed up a few minutes early; and we had another great 2 hour session. i paid her the same, minus the 100 for a taxi and we walked towards crazy house. on the way i asked if she was hungry. surprise, she said yes and that she knew where we should eat. just before reaching crazy house she led me into a store front past an open kitchen into a dining room. the name of the place was the love scene. pen said it was open 24/7 and popular with the ladies in and around soi cowboy. the food was okay; they had beer and whisky; the prices were reasonable; i could sit there, eat and watch the world cup at 4 am so i made many subsequent visits; and 4 am turned out to be a fairly busy time.
pen liked to pose nude so i took many photos. here are two for your enjoyment. she said she was cool with me posting them on isg.
Member #4698
07-14-14, 23:30
Sounds like you had a good time at Crazy House Paul. I liked the talent level and the attitude of the girls.
I brought my brand new Lelo Mia 2 along on the trip and thought I would give it a try, but I kind of forgot to take it out of the suitcase the entire 7 weeks I was on the road. LOL. I guess I am an old fashioned guy and it is hard to change my ways. I like to use my hands, my mouth and my tongue on young Asian girls.
Love Scene, what can you say? The food is pretty good and the ambiance is amazing. I take my favorite Go Go girl there all the time. It is kind of our place. Here is a sample dinner we had there one night: raw giant clams, sea bass in lemon grass broth, and stir fried morning glory. It makes me homesick for BKK.
Paul Kausch
07-15-14, 00:56
Sounds like you had a good time at Crazy House Paul.
Love Scene, what can you say? The food is pretty good and the ambiance is amazing. Yeh, I liked the Love Scene. When I'm back in the late fall I'm going to ask if they have a frequent diner program.
Paul Kausch
07-15-14, 01:07
Pen left me just before 5pm. I hung around the Love Scene and ordered some more food. I let Pen do the orders we shared. I told her to order a couple of things for me that were not too spicy. She said no problem. Well, I did have a problem. We clearly have different ideas of what too spicy means. In fairness to her, I did try some of the items she ordered for herself and they were unbearably hot for me. I ended up offering her my food, which she eagerly gobbled done. After she left I ordered some chicken fried rice, ate, drank a couple of bottles of Chang and watched TV, not understanding a word being said during the program. About 6 pm I left the Love Scene and walked around Soi Cowboy. I had told Pen not to expect me at Crazy House that night. I walked around until it got dark and then started to drop in on random Soi Cowboy gogos, not paying any particular attention to which ones I visited. Cow was dead; the gogos were dead; the girls might as have well been dead. Ended up in Suzy Wong which was surprisingly lively. There were a couple of other customers. A couple more came and went while I was there. The lineup looked better than I recall in December. All naked ladies. No absolute beauties, but several girls were very fuckable. The ladies actually seemed to be having fun. I watched one line up, a staged show and another lineup. After some vacillation I decided I would bar fine one of the girls. My only question was which one. As I was cogitating on the subject a young lady walked up to me and asked if she could sit next to me. I looked at her. She was buck naked. I said sure. Her name was Bua and wore #47, or at least I'm pretty sure that was her name and number. If not, her name is Noon and her number is 82. I got both of these ladies' numbers. One is the Suzy Wong lady I'm now writing about. The other was at Dollhouse and I'll be reporting on her in the second report I write after this one. Anyway Bua, or Noon, has tan complexion; she's short probably about 155 cm, her face is no better than a 7, but she had a very nice body. In fact were she 10 or 15 cm taller she would have had a better body than Aor, #24 at Annie's. Her breasts were augmented, but like Aors, well done, and perhaps slightly larger. Unlike Aor, who had a little fat on her belly, Bua had a trim waist, full and firm hips and ass and as good a pair of legs as I've seen on a Thai lady, slender ankles, perfectly proportioned calves knees and thighs, with just the right amount of muscle tone.
Once she sat down I asked her why she wanted to sit with me, after all I said, there are other guys in here sitting alone. Why me? She replied, "You look relaxed and have a nice smile on your face. " My retort was, "How could I not smile with so many pretty, naked ladies on stage. " Some chit chat followed. I told her she had a gorgeous body. She replied, "Boobs too small;" and she proceeded to show me the scars under her armpits explaining the size boobs she wants will require an incision on the underside of her breasts. I exclaimed, "Don't do that. They're big enough. " She looked at me like that was an odd thing to say.
She didn't ask for a lady drink, so I got right to the point, ST or LT and how much? To my surprise she said in a very matter of fact tone, "Either and I want 2000 for ST and 4000 for LT. " I then asked her if she had eaten dinner; it was probably around 8pm; and if she liked to watch movies. My second question took her by surprise. After a moment of silence I said, "Let's go over to Terminal 21, check the movie times and get some dinner. Immediately she got a big grin on her face, practically shouted out yes, and jumped up saying she would go get dressed. I suggested we could just go as we are. I don't think she got it.
For a 63 year old fart with serious and highly cultivated artistic tastes who is into serious Academy Awards films, art house flics and Pink Panther movies the pickings were slim. Actually, there was nothing I had any interest in. I told Bua to choose. She picked the X-Men. Oh boy. :rolleyes: Noting the time, we went looking for dinner. Bua wanted Japanese. Unfortunately every Japanese restaurant we went to had a long wait, except for the one we finally ate at. As we hurriedly ate, it became clear why that restaurant did not have a long wait. So, slurp, slurp, chomp, chomp, run, run and we made it to the movie just in time to pay our respects to the king. Bua enjoyed the film. I slept through most of it. But she left the theater very happy, which was the whole point.
It was after 11pm when we got back to my room. We stripped. I admired her body some more. Then we jumped into the shower where she washed me very sensually. Then it was into the bed for a more than decent romp. Bua was not particularly into DFK or DATY, but she gave a fine BBBJ followed by a very nice fuck. After the BBBJ and before the fuck she said, "You big, but not too big, I like. " Whatever, I'll take a complement, even if I don't necessarily believe it's genuine. Actually, on this trip too often I encountered ladies who said I was too long for them and I had to be careful. Shit, it sure turned me one to hear that just as I was about to stick it in. In fact, Bua did seem to like my cock.
So whether Bua was rewarding me for treating her to a film or just likes to fuck, we had a good time. For the most part all she was interested in was a hard cock in her pussy and a lot of vigorous fucking in multiple positions. No anal. In fact she wouldn't let my fingers anywhere near her asshole. She also had no interest in my toys. Boo hoo! :( But she was a good fuck and had a couple of pretty good orgasms. She wasn't very vocal, but sure got into the motion.
After fucking for a good hour we feel asleep with her cuddled up next to me. Before going to sleep I turned the A/C down. I think she was cold and found my body throws off lots of heat. We woke in the morning, attended to our oral hygiene and had another round of fucking and sucking. Afterwards we showered and dressed. I suggested we walk over to Cafe@8 and have some breakfast. I go there a few times every trip. The ladies always recognize me. On my first visit this trip I was surprised to discover they have torn out the front making it open air. I liked the A/C better, but I'm sure it saves on the overhead and they are able to seat a few more people. Before leaving the room I paid Bua the 4000 and gave her a 500 tip. She was very happy. Of course she also got a couple of free meals, watched a move and got 100 for a taxi home. I was happy too. She turned out to be a very nice young lady, whose company I enjoyed, and a very nice fuck. And damn, what a body. If she was only a little taller. Unfortunately, no photos. She claims no one back in Issan has any idea what she does for a living. I felt like asking her if anyone back home wondered how and why her boobs got so big.
Crocodilexp
07-15-14, 01:58
However, I suggest you look at a few demographic studies. In fact, somebody posted one to Stickman's site a while ago, but I'm too lazy to find it. It had a very cogent analysis, along with visual aids. I think it's this one: http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2012/reader7741.htm.
You are NOT IN the US.Thanks Dude, I was confused for a minute. Didn't mean to bother your fun.
Sounds like you had a good time at Crazy House Paul. I liked the talent level and the attitude of the girls.
I brought my brand new Lelo Mia 2 along on the trip and thought I would give it a try, but I kind of forgot to take it out of the suitcase the entire 7 weeks I was on the road. LOL. I guess I am an old fashioned guy and it is hard to change my ways. I like to use my hands, my mouth and my tongue on young Asian girls.
Love Scene, what can you say? The food is pretty good and the ambiance is amazing. I take my favorite Go Go girl there all the time. It is kind of our place. Here is a sample dinner we had there one night: raw giant clams, sea bass in lemon grass broth, and stir fried morning glory. It makes me homesick for BKK.Thanks for the nice food porn pics -- looks good enough to eat! BTW, not to be overly pedantic, but the giant clams are oysters!
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate
In May, 2014, Thailand's unemployment rate skyrocketed from 0. 90% to 0. 94%. I'd like to know what you consider booming. Obama has wet dreams about unemployment below 6%.Correct. Even restaurants have had to increase salaries to attract employees. There are just not enough folks to work. That is why Thailand was so distressed when all the Cambodian and Burmese workers fled. Yes, the economy is quite fine.
Paul Kausch
07-15-14, 03:04
My reports are not chronological. I decided to organize them by industry: gogo versus massage parlors versus escorts, with the plat de resistance saved for last. I've written in previous posts that I'm not a big fan of gogos. So it logically follows that I spent a good deal of time in gogos and bar fined four different ladies. All of whom turned out to be more than satisfactory. Which of course contradicts my insistence that the gogos are not the best places to find a good fuck. What do I know?
A little more than half-way into my stay I wandered over to Nana Plaza. Actually, this was my second trip over there. My first visit was after a very nice dinner at Swan Seafood Restaurant. Thank you FruitNinja and Dr. BJ for the excellent recommendation. The steamed sea bass was splendid. First time I stopped into Rainbows 1 & 4, Spanky's, Mercury and a few other places. I left without bar fining anyone. I did buy a couple of buckets of ping pong balls at Mercury, threw them at the stage and watched the girls squeal and scamper about the room retrieving them. They all looked so sad that night. I wanted to do something to cheer them up. It worked. Briefly.
On my second visit to Nana, I went to the same venues. Don't ask me why. Actually I do know why I returned to Mercury. It had a decent lineup, on both visits. Actually, with the exception of the lineup at Crazy House on my first visit I saw little difference in the quality of the lineups from venue to venue. And I thought generally the ladies were better looking than in December. Of course there were a few fatties, a number of ladies with conspicuous C-sections, a few who were past their expiration date, and a couple who were downright ugly. But it's been a long time since I was confused for Brad Pitt. Actually, I've never been confused for Brad Pitt. So who am I to complain? Mercury pours a good drink at the best price of any bar I visited. First visit I ordered a soda water. They brought a glass with ice and gave me a full bottle. Then I ordered Black Label and got a more generous pour at a lower price than the cheap stuff at other bars. The staff is also very friendly and there is no pressure to buy lady drinks. And the music is decent. I really like the way they operate.
On both my visits Spanky's did this silly routine where the girls were all dancing on stage naked. Suddenly one of the door men bursts into the room, says something in Thai and all the girls, scream, run off stage and reappear in bikinis. When the same thing happened on the second visit, I began to think this must happens several times every night.
On both visits Rainbow 4 had an excellent lineup and the clientele appeared to be almost all east Asian. I sat, watched for a while and left. Saw a couple of tables with one lady and several men. Having witnessed how this plays out in the past, I imagined those ladies were looking forward to being well paid that night.
On my second trip to Nana my last port of call was Rainbow 1. It had a modest crowd, some Asian men and a few farangs. The ladies looked decent. I had a couple of drinks and was happy to be left alone. After a half hour or so I called over a mamasan who had dropped by to say Hello, about every ten minutes. I told her I wanted to take home a lady, but I wanted to be sure she'd make me happy. The mamasan asked what kind of lady I liked. I said petite, good English, I don't care if she's fair or tan, but I want a lady who is fun and likes a wild time. The reply I got was, "The lady you want is outside. I'll go get her. " In a few minutes she came back with a lady who was tan, petite, all smiles and very outgoing. Her English was very good. She said she was born and raised in Bangkok. Her name is Mojie. Her number is 58. Mojie seemed very happy to see me. I ordered her a couple of lady drinks. She slammed shots of tequila. We agreed ST at my hotel. I offered 2000. She wanted 2500. I said fine, but she had to convince me she was special. Well special she was. Back at the hotel she got down to business fast. Lickity split we stripped. Mojie didn't have a milligram of fat on her. Very petitie. Small perky breasts. Tight ass. Nice legs. Tiny waist. We showered and jumped into bed. She did a nice job of acting like she couldn't wait to get fucked. I'm thinking, she can't wait to get paid. Let's see how this plays out. We proceeded to kiss and hug. I worked my face down to her pussy and went to work on her clit with my tongue and pussy with my fingers, which she seemed to not mind at all. After savoring my oral techniques for a good ten minutes, she loudly announced, "Oh I want your cock in my mouth. " So I spun around into a 69 and we really went at it. She gave real porn star head with lots of spit, drivel, drool and gaging; plenty of hard sucking and she tried her best to perform a DT. Though she failed, I'd give her an A for effort.
Then we started to fuck. Missionary, Asian cow girl and doggy at a frenetic pace. After I'd guess about 15 minutes of vigorous fucking we worked our way over to a chaise lounge sofa at the foot of my bed. We started with her bent over the back of the sofa with her chest and face over the bed. I grabbed her by the wrists, pulled them back and pounded her as hard and fast and long as I could. Eventually she ended up with her head and shoulders on the ground, her ass supported by the seat of the sofa and her legs in a V pointed towards the ceiling, with me pounding her pussy. Real porn star stuff. And very vocal. Fake. But well done. I think she was enjoying herself, but she was over the top. After about half an hour of fucking she moaned,
"I want you to cum on my face."
"I want you to cum in my mouth."
"I want to taste your cum."
I was really get into it.
Then she said,
"Just don't cum in my hair."
I cracked up laughing. Then she started to laugh. I asked her if she had ever done a porn movie. She looked at me surprised and said no. I told her she should; she was quite the actress; and I was having the time of my life. This seemed to delight her. No doubt she was imagining many, many baht raining down on her. She climbed onto the sofa on her back and told me to straddle her face and fuck her mouth until I came all over her face. Which I did. And she licked my dick clean, took her finger and pushed all the cum on her face into her mouth, swallowing every drop. Clearly she had watched this being done in porn movies and had practiced the scene before. Then she hopped up; cleaned up and got dressed. I gave her 3000; she was worth every baht; and asked for pictures. She replied. "Only with my dress on. No naked photos. " I stuck out my lips and pouted. She laughed and posed.
Enjoy. I only got half a dozen photos. They're all basically the same. These are the best two.
Please! You statement is true as long as nobody in Thailand ages. I'm not sure, but I think everybody does.
I don't know if this link will work or not:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=25
You can clearly see the decline. Thailand has gone from 16.86 births per 1,000 people in 2000 to 12.81/1,000 in 2012. That is a significant drop by any standard. Of course the population as a whole grew. However, as the girls in the industry age out there are far fewer to replace them. This is inarguable. The demographics clearly show that the population in Thailand is aging. It's not as bad as Japan, but it's unmistakable. There are and will be fewer and fewer "P4 P age" girls.The stats for Thailand as a whole do not tell us anything about the farang specific P4 P markets' number of ladies, which is made up almost entirely of poverty striken areas north of Bangkok, not the relatively rich Bangkok middle class or the South of Thailand. For example, Isaan:
"The vast majority of the Isaan people have finished grammar school at best.
"It is surprising but well known that most of the time, it is the young female who rescues her family, while many men tend to be freer to live their lives. There is always at least one person in every family, who knows intuitively from an early age that she will become responsible for improving the whole family's life out of poverty while the rest of the family lives from her earnings.
http://www.goodwillthailand.org/isaan
"Within Thailand, the Isaan are famous for making anything into food. Herbs and leaves from around the house provide the needed vegetables, and e. G. Beetles, lizards, and red ants eggs are common parts of Isaan dishes. ".
http://www.omfisaan.net/index.php/thailand-and-isaan
"As of 1997 Thailand was listed as having the highest number of reported cases of HIV in Asia with an estimate of 6% of the Thai population between the ages of 15 and 45 or 2% of the total population. ".
http://www.thaicov.org/thailand/isaan.html
Key Master
07-15-14, 06:48
On my second trip to Nana my last port of call was Rainbow 1. It had a modest crowd, some Asian men and a few farangs. The ladies looked decent. I had a couple of drinks and was happy to be left alone. After a half hour or so I called over a mamasan who had dropped by to say Hello, about every ten minutes. I told her I wanted to take home a lady, but I wanted to be sure she'd make me happy. The mamasan asked what kind of lady I liked. I said petite, good English, I don't care if she's fair or tan, but I want a lady who is fun and likes a wild time. The reply I got was, "The lady you want is outside. I'll go get her. " In a few minutes she came back with a lady who was tan, petite, all smiles and very outgoing. Her English was very good. She said she was born and raised in Bangkok. Her name is Mojie. Her number is 58. Mojie seemed very happy to see me. I ordered her a couple of lady drinks. She slammed shots of tequila. We agreed ST at my hotel. I offered 2000. She wanted 2500. I said fine, but she had to convince me she was special. Well special she was. Back at the hotel she got down to business fast. Lickity split we stripped. Mojie didn't have a milligram of fat on her. Very petitie. Small perky breasts. Tight ass. Nice legs. Tiny waist. We showered and jumped into bed. She did a nice job of acting like she couldn't wait to get fucked. I'm thinking, she can't wait to get paid. Let's see how this plays out. We proceeded to kiss and hug. I worked my face down to her pussy and went to work on her clit with my tongue and pussy with my fingers, which she seemed to not mind at all. After savoring my oral techniques for a good ten minutes, she loudly announced, "Oh I want your cock in my mouth. " So I spun around into a 69 and we really went at it. She gave real porn star head with lots of spit, drivel, drool and gaging; plenty of hard sucking and she tried her best to perform a DT. Though she failed, I'd give her an A for effort.Thanks for all the reports. I think Mojie is very pretty.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate
In May, 2014, Thailand's unemployment rate skyrocketed from 0. 90% to 0. 94%. I'd like to know what you consider booming. Obama has wet dreams about unemployment below 6%.This is not the USA. Their is no social security. People are forced to work in some way, eve if its a bar. They have to eat. Comparing to USA official unemployment is meaningless.
You do a survey with country people. Those that used to okay On a rubber plantation now have severe problems. The price of rubber has been wrecked since Yingluck came to power. Just one example. The price of gas for cars was reduced, but price of gas for the poor to cook food went up dramatically.
Uncle Volodya
07-15-14, 08:23
She climbed onto the sofa on her back and told me to straddle her face and fuck her mouth until I came all over her face. Which I did. And she licked my dick clean, took her finger and pushed all the cum on her face into her mouth, swallowing every drop. Clearly she had watched this being done in porn movies and had practiced the scene before. .Thanks for the great report. No doubt your girl will get more business after this post. She should pay you for the advertising!
Stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.
If not, her name is Noon and her number is 82. I got both of these ladies' numbers. One is the Suzy Wong lady I'm now writing about. The other was at Dollhouse and I'll be reporting on her in the second report I write after this one. Anyway Bua, or Noon, has tan complexion; she's short probably about 155 cm, her face is no better than a 7, but she had a very nice body. In fact were she 10 or 15 cm taller she would have had a better body than Aor, #24 at Annie's. Her breasts were augmented, but like Aors, well done, and perhaps slightly larger. Unlike Aor, who had a little fat on her belly, Bua had a
You writeup re Bua and Noon is a bit confusing.
Noon is very well known at Suzi Wong. Absolutely one of the worse looking girls in the place (for my taste). I am not sure which one you are comparing to Aor trim waist, full and firm hips and ass and as good a pair of legs as I've seen on a Thai lady, slender ankles, perfectly proportioned calves knees and thighs, with just the right amount of muscle tonePaul, your taste is evidently nothing like mine. So this should be borne in mind. I like slim. I also like a much smaller face on a girl.
at Annies (and how you could make a comparison). I haven't seen Aor since her tits were done, so perhaps this is relevant. Noon has broad sillies (not nice at all in my opinion), broad face, broad ass, just nothing good about her, unless you really like broad. She is famous for going at customers in a flash, completely lacking any shyness. The contrast between her and the quality slim girl Noo Dee, is extraordinary. Some customers, including a weak buddy of mine, just don't know how to escape a determined girl like Noon. He said she was pretty useless to him on the bed. She probably likes younger guys including questionable Thai types. Noon is not a girl of good character, the reasons I best not go into. It is stories I hear from other girls (rumours), since I never had anything to do with her myself. Not sure who is Bua. I gather she is in Dollhouse or am I too confused?
Noo Dee visited me daytime, but was not working in evening due to her period arriving. Saw pics of both NooDee and Noon / Nun, with some others from a two day visit to the temple for recent Buddhist festival. NooDee lost weight in the two day temple stay. Noon put on weight.
For sillies, the superior looking set in SW is Anne, very white skinned and curvy but slim girl. Her sillies are big soft Ds like a Lara Croft figure. She had very good tits even before they were done. That is why they are not hard. She is quite a good fuck as well. No problem to repeat her at all, despite not normally going for sillies.
I went looking for Nat with the 10 body at Crazy House but she was absent. Not unusual. Bought a couple of drinks for her friend Bo (also big naturals), and for the waitress. Waitress makes only 5K per month so needs drinks and tips to help make reasonable money. Nude dancers get quite a bit more base salary. CH pays better than the other bars, attracting the better looking girls, and a few heffers.
Dollhouse does not really have anyone stunning that I could see last night, although perhaps I arrived too late. At 9. 30 PM+. There has been a very high girl turnover since my last visit so many new girls I did not recognise. I guess the prettier new girls work at Crazy House. Aor from Khorat (not new), a dancer out the front and inside (but not nude) has a trim curvy body, very cute face and very sexy. I will try sometime. Noi, is an older girl there with super body (magnificent ass), if you like slim, and a super fuck with squeeze box pussy. She was absent, probably BFed already or lazy to work when raining.
Last night I took Chocolat from Doll House for ST. A front of house girl so wearing a sexy dress. Dark skin, face only moderately pretty (Aor looks better), however very bubbly playful personality convinced me. Slim very good body, nice natural tits. There was no discussion about price. She probably heard from other girls I pay okay There was no mention of ST or LT so I assumed ST was her assumption. She had a mouth problem which Thais call "rorn nai" (means ulcers). Bacterial infection, like Impetigo. Easily cured with antibiotics. So no kissing and I could see I should not ask her to do BJ as would be painful for her. Even eating was difficult for her.
Gave her a good DATY and a good fuck. Her cervix was only 4 inches in and descended so I had to go at it very carefully / gently. Still managed a good fuck and came during doggy, relatively quickly for me. Tight pussy, no children. She would be better suited to guys with very small dicks I think or at least gentle guys, as cervix could easily get pounded by a bang bang type of guy. So I will move on to girls with pussy much larger where do not need to worry about damaging them too easily. Chocolat was a bit too tight to be best suited to me.
As your question is not very specific, the answer will be very rough too.
ST (about 1 to 2 hours, one pop) anything beween 30 USD (1000 baht) to 90 USD (3000 baht).
LT (one night, 1 or 2 pops before sleeping, one pop in the morning) anything between 75 USD (2500 baht) to 150 USD (5000 baht).
A whole day? I have no idea, I *guess* about 150 USD (5000 baht) should be enough. Food is cheap in Thailand: take her to a food court and for the two of you (breakfast, lunch and dinner) 30 to 40 USD will be fine, a bit more if you drink alcohol of course. Transportation by public transport is cheap: 10 dollar will take you a long way.Short time is 1000 standard unless you can negotiate less. Long time would be more like between 2000-3000.5000 for the whole day is ridiculous. There are enough people over paying and raising prices. Please don't don't join them and keep the prices low.
Thanks for the great report. No doubt your girl will get more business after this post. She should pay you for the advertising!
Stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.Undoubtly a Superstar. I bet she gets over a 1000 dicks a year-easily. Perhaps income of over $75,000 a year- do the math if you doubt me. She has to get at least 3 customers a day.
Don't know how she does it but is very bubbly at all times.
Hi,
I was offered a HJ in airport. I was in transit with three hours to kill, and went to a massage place inside the terminal.
I got an OK massage, followed by a handshake. Was surprised, but what the hell!
Suvarnabhumi Airport is a modern clean high-tech international airport. There may be one or two up-scale massage places there. But if you are staying air-side then I think the chances of getting what you seek are as close to zero as possible. It would be possible to come out of the airport and with some planning find some relief.
For sillies, the superior looking set in SW is Anne, very white skinned and curvy but slim girl. Her sillies are big soft Ds like a Lara Croft figure. She had very good tits even before they were done. That is why they are not hard. She is quite a good fuck as well. No problem to repeat her at all, despite not normally going for sillies.
.Do you have any clue about Anne of Snow White 's working hours? I would like to try her this week.
Thanks in advance.
I watched one line up, a staged show and another lineup. After some vacillation I decided I would bar fine one of the girls. My only question was which one. As I was cogitating on the subject a young lady walked up to me and asked if she could sit next to me. I looked at her. She was buck naked. I said sure. Her name was Bua and wore #47, or at least I'm pretty sure that was her name and number. If not, her name is Noon and her number is 82. I got both of these ladies' numbers. One is the Suzy Wong lady I'm now writing about. The other was at Dollhouse and I'll be reporting on her in the second report I write after this one. Anyway Bua, or Noon, has tan complexion; she's short probably about 155 cm, her face is no better than a 7, but she had a very nice body. In fact were she 10 or 15 cm taller she would have had a better body than Aor, #24 at Annie's. Her breasts were augmented, but like Aors, well done, and perhaps slightly larger. Unlike Aor, who had a little fat on her belly, Bua had a trim waist, full and firm hips and ass and as good a pair of legs as I've seen on a Thai lady, slender ankles, perfectly proportioned calves knees and thighs, with just the right amount of muscle tone.
Reposting to unscramble it.
Paul, your taste is evidently nothing like mine. So this should be borne in mind. I like slim. I also like a much smaller face on a girl.
Your report is a bit confused between Bua and Noon, so I am guessing it was Bua you were describing. Noon does not have a body that is comparable to Annies Aor at all. I don't know Bua.
Noon is very well known at Suzi Wong. Absolutely one of the worse looking girls in the place (for my taste). Noon has broad sillies (not nice at all in my opinion), broad face, broad fat ass, just nothing good about her, unless you really like broad. She is famous for going at customers in a flash, completely lacking any shyness. The contrast between her and the quality slim girl Noo Dee, is extraordinary. Some customers, including a weak buddy of mine, just don't know how to escape a determined girl like Noon. He said she was pretty useless to him on the bed. She probably likes younger guys including questionable Thai types. Noon is not a girl of good character, the reasons I best not go into. It is stories I hear from other girls (rumours), since I never had anything to do with her myself. Not sure who is Bua. I gather she is in Dollhouse or am I too confused?
Noo Dee visited me daytime, but was not working in evening due to her period arriving. Saw pics of both NooDee and Noon / Nun, with some others from a two day visit to the temple for recent Buddhist festival. NooDee lost weight in the two day temple stay. Noon put on weight.
For sillies, the superior looking set in SW is Anne, very white skinned and curvy but slim girl. Her sillies are big soft Ds like a Lara Croft figure. She had very good tits even before they were done. That is why they are not hard. She is quite a good fuck as well. No problem to repeat her at all, despite not normally going for sillies.
I went looking for Nat with the 10 body at Crazy House but she was absent. Not unusual. Bought a couple of drinks for her friend Bo (also big naturals), and for the waitress. Waitress makes only 5 K per month so needs drinks and tips to help make reasonable money. Nude dancers get quite a bit more base salary. CH pays better than the other bars, attracting the better looking girls, and a few heffers.
Dollhouse does not really have anyone stunning that I could see last night, although perhaps I arrived too late. At 9. 30 PM+. There has been a very high girl turnover since my last visit so many new girls I did not recognise. I guess the prettier new girls work at Crazy House. Aor from Khorat (not new), a dancer out the front and inside (but not nude) has a trim curvy body, very cute face and very sexy. I will try sometime. Noi, is an older girl there with super body (magnificent ass), if you like slim, and a super fuck with squeeze box pussy. She was absent, probably BFed already or lazy to work when raining.
Last night I took Chocolat from Doll House for ST. A front of house girl so wearing a sexy dress. Dark skin, face only moderately pretty (Aor looks better), however very bubbly playful personality convinced me. Slim very good body, nice natural tits. There was no discussion about price. She probably heard from other girls I pay okay There was no mention of ST or LT so I assumed ST was her assumption. She had a mouth problem which Thais call "rorn nai" (means ulcers). Bacterial infection, like Impetigo. Easily cured with antibiotics. So no kissing and I could see I should not ask her to do BJ as would be painful for her. Even eating was difficult for her.
Gave her a good DATY and a good fuck. Her cervix was only 4 inches in and descended so I had to go at it very carefully / gently. Still managed a good fuck and came during doggy, relatively quickly for me. Tight pussy, no children. She would be better suited to guys with very small dicks I think or at least gentle guys, as cervix could easily get pounded by a bang bang type of guy. So I will move on to girls with pussy much larger where do not need to worry about damaging them too easily. Chocolat was a bit too tight to be best suited to me.
Do you have any clue about Anne of Snow White 's working hours? I would like to try her this week.
Thanks in advance.BW, I was talking Suzi Wong (SW).
Girls turn up when they feel like it. I would suggest turning up early, e. G. 8 PM. Anne with white skin, small waist and Lara Croft like enhanced Dee cups is popular and can get BFed quickly these days. She has worked a few years at Suzi. I cannot guarantee she will be in. Ask the waiting staff, like Yao or Aor.
Eric Swiss
07-15-14, 10:27
After two consecutive days of religious holidays where a lot of venues were closed, I was desperately aching for a return to normalcy. I went to the Beer Garden on Soi 7 in the afternoon, a first for me. I liked the ambiance, even though I was not well seated to view the talent. I did not partake.
In the evening it was raining cats and dogs. So I assumed there would be very few customers like me and the girls would be more eager. I was right, so that's a top-tip for you all: go-go bars are better on rainy days! Thankfully the rainy season is starting.
I went to Rainbow 4 to warm up. There's a psychological dimension to whoring and you've got to be in the right mood. There's nothing like having 5 or 6 sexy ladies shaking their money-maker 50 centimeters from your face to warm up. I call that being close to greatness.
But I don't like Rainbow 4 to consume, it is too big / industrial for my taste. And the girls have attitude: they think once they've been accepted at Rainbow 4 they've got it made.
So, on the strength of a report I've read recently on this August Forum, I tried Mercury. Also a first for me. I ordered a beer and almost immediately regretted doing so, because there was a very fat chick dancing almost naked. What are these people thinking? If I want to see fatsos I go to America, not Thailand. Anyway, Mercury had not lined up their A team. It was pretty early, like 11 pm I guess, but I wanted to see the World Cup final at 2 am so I didn't want to consume too late.
I was trapped there at least until I had finished my beer. It turned out to be fortunate, because the line-up changed and the Mercury A-team went on. There was one girl in particular, number 20 (don't know her name), who clearly had put it in her little head to get fucked by me as soon as she strode on the stage. She had a nice round ass, more reminiscent of a black girl's than an Asian one's, and a fantastically low waist-to-hip ratio. She had ass and she knew how to use it. She moved it very seductively while looking at me with fuck-me eyes.
I tried to look at other girls but my gaze came coming back to her. Some guys have a "boner test" but I prefer the "hypnotization test". If I can detach my eyes from a girl's body when she's dancing then I probably shouldn't barfine her.
Anyway I asked the waitress to invite my #20 for a lady drink. She sat down, and I soon discovered that she spoke absolutely no English! Not like the other girls, who pretend to speak no English but actually turn out to know a few words, enough to exchange some sentences. This one knew zilch! She must have been fresh off the boat from Isaan, which is a good thing, as I prefer them fresh rather than jaded. Since I don't know any Thai either, she had to let her eyes and her hands do the talking. She was very persuasive, so I barfined her (600 THB) for short-time (2000 THB).
We went to a short-time hotel just upstairs from Mercurcy which I'd never been to. It was very clean and looked new. In the room she was very good. She genuinely seemed to enjoy herself. She impaled herself on my cock and bounced herself up and down very hard. She came, or at least pretended to convincingly, I'll never know the difference and I don't even care. She ground her pussy into my groin. To finish, she did a Reverse Asian Cowgirl that made me spurt. She wanted to keep on fucking after that but I had to stop her.
In summary: highly recommended! She's not so young, maybe 26, with Asian girls it's hard to tell, but the key is that she had picked me among all the customers at Mercury, and that translated into a very spirited performance in the bedroom. Some girls just really like to fuck.
The scene is different. Whether or not it's better, or worse, is subjective. To my taste, it's worse because it lacks that indefinable, but real, "sanuk" quality.....
Add to that the booming economy, where women now don't have to work in a bar unless they want to. The result is that the dregs tend to wind up in the farang-oriented bars. Again, this is inarguable.
When the dregs start earning 2 k-3 k for ST, it's a clear indicator that things have gotten worse! This is old news of course.
When the dregs start earning 2 k-3 k for ST, it's a clear indicator that things have gotten worse! This is old news of course.Same as our salaries, I am afraid. We also earn more than that time. Facts of life and evolution of the economy.
You come from the country and are happy to have a hit in the town as a hut you had back home, then you see others have a bit more than a hut and shower is inside, not udner the tree. So you aim to that, then you realise a moped is better than a bicycle etc. Ends up you aim to more money and if somebody pays you more, why not? He maybe pays you more as he knows it is still a good deal.
Paul Kausch
07-15-14, 12:15
Paul, your taste is evidently nothing like mine. I saw a Noon, #82, and a Bua, #47. One worked at Suzy Wong, the other at Dollhouse. I will post on the Dollhouse lady later today. I also have two photos of her in which she is dressed, which I will post. I was pretty sure the lady I bar fined at SW was Bua. As I was not absolutely certain and there was a possibility it was Noon. I mentioned this in my report. The lady I was with did approach me, but not in an aggressive manner. And I had been there for some time before she did. She could hardly be accused of being aggressive. She spoke very little and rather softly. The lady I was with did have a broad, not particularly pretty, but definitely not ugly face.
I was with Aor several times in December. The Suzy Wong girl I was with was short, but unlike Aor, who had a layer of fat on her tummy, which may be visible in some of the photos I posted, if not it is visible in other photos I took, definitely had a firm and trim waist with no fat. Because she is short, this lady's hips and ass looked broader than Aors, but they were not. As for her legs, again other than being short, her legs were definitely nicer than Aor's. Aor's legs have no muscle tone. Her calves taper from below the knees to the ankles, which can be seen in photos I took. This lady's calves were better developed. The largest circumference was at the mid-point between her knees and ankles. Also, unlike Aor, this lady had developed hamstrings. Again the back of Aor's are straight from her buttocks to the knees, which is again illustrated in my photos of her. Definitely much better muscle development on this lady's legs. I'm a gym rat and see nicely toned to super fit ladies on a daily basis. I notice these things. As for the breasts, they were well done silicone, nicely shaped, probably no larger than Aor's, but appeared to be so on a smaller lady. I do not like silicone, but will put up with it. I do hate to imagine what this lady will look like when she gets her larger implants.
I really wish I had been able to take some photos, especially nude photos, of this lady. I like to post photos with my reports so guys can see what the girls really looks like.
At any rate, this lady neither looked nor behaved like the Noon you describe. None the less, I have noted your high standards. I have some sense of your taste in women. This lady would not meet your high standards. She's definitely not for you.
Frankly, I don't have such high standards. I can discern different levels of beauty and appreciate classic beauty. Downright ugly faces, bad, out of shape bodies, tats, scars, jiggly fat, these turn me off. I'm okay with more average and ordinary looks if there are other qualities I like, such as personality and performance. Of course while I can judge personality beforehand, one can only be sure of performance after the fact. Though I think I've had enough experience with enough women over too many decades to have some accurate expectations.
I always appreciate it when you take the time to reply to one of my reports. As I've mentioned several times, I value your knowledge and opinions.
I saw a Noon, #82, and a Bua, #47. One worked at Suzy Wong, the other at Dollhouse. I will post on the Dollhouse lady later today. I also have two photos of her in which she is dressed, which I will post. I was pretty sure the lady I bar fined at SW was Bua. As I was not absolutely certain and there was a possibility it was Noon. I mentioned this in my report. The lady I was with did approach me, but not in an aggressive manner. And I had been there for some time before she did. She could hardly be accused of being aggressive. She spoke very little and rather softly. The lady I was with did have a broad, not particularly pretty, but definitely not ugly face.
I really think there was a mix up. As I don't know Bua, she could be the one. I look forward to your pics if that could clear it up. I really just don't believe Noon could be compared to Aor at Annies, for figure. Aor has a stunning ass. Noon has a rubbish ass. So I don't want to think there is any possibility you meant Noon.
Unless there 2 Noons, but I doubt it.
normally here i just close my eyes and think tat it is someone else while getting serviced. therefore, i just take the 'first taxi off the rank' but walking in and letting the girl (whichever girl) follow me. today, walking up after getting a haircut and shave i spied a slim vision in the waiting pack and immediately grabbed her. nan (or nam) had a gazelle-like build and a lovely boat race. her skills, bluntly, were fair (one depth, one speed), but when she offered up her chin for me to cum on, i was pretty happy.
I saw a Noon, #82, and a Bua, #47. One worked at Suzy Wong, the other at Dollhouse. I will post on the Dollhouse lady later today. I also have two photos of her in which she is dressed, which I will post. I was pretty sure the lady I bar fined at SW was Bua. As I was not absolutely certain and there was a possibility it was Noon. I mentioned this in my report. The lady I was with did approach me, but not in an aggressive manner. And I had been there for some time before she did. She could hardly be accused of being aggressive. She spoke very little and rather softly. The lady I was with did have a broad, not particularly pretty, but definitely not ugly face.
Noon may not be aggressive but fastest gun in the west when it comes to approaching customers. My buddy failed to ever escape. I don't say Noon is ugly. Just a broad face does not appeal to me.
I really think there was a mix up. As I don't know Bua, she could be the one. I look forward to your pics if that could clear it up. I really just don't believe Noon could be compared to Aor at Annies, for figure. Aor has a stunning ass (when I last saw her). Okay she could have put on weight over time. Noon definitely has flabby saggy ass (the one I know with sillies at SW, yes Noo Dee confirms No. 82) and rather straightish figure. Noon is short but weight close to 50 Kg. In my estimation. Other slim girls same height would weigh just 42 Kg. Noo Dee agrees with me that her friend Noon does not have the greatest body (by our standards). Noo Dee, with exceptionally tight body, not an ounce of fat, is sitting watching movies in the lounge room, right now. Noon's body just could not compete with Aor the model in any way at all, unless you compare the sillies (I have not seen Aor's sillies). I guess I just don't notice muscle tone of the legs but I do notice the "gap" between the legs. I remember the old Aor. Maybe she has gone downhill a lot. Noo Dee also does not know who is Bua. There are too many girls in each bar, but she may be in Doll House.
I am still thinking your memory has got mixed after leaving too long to report. Could happen you met Noon and other girls and got confused which one had the excellent body. We are all known to make mistakes with memory from time to time. You already admitted to some confusion from the start.
I once wrote about Ba at Suzi, when the correct name was Maa (horse).
When the dregs start earning 2 k-3 k for ST, it's a clear indicator that things have gotten worse! This is old news of course.You are correct. Its purely a function of a strong economy and very low unemployment.
Same as here in the states. Its the old expression "a rising tide lifts all boats". Even the ones that are old and rickety. When the housing bubble was at its peak here every idiot had a job and a BMW and all of them thought they deserved more.
Now without all that phony money inflating the system all those idiots are unemployed and many have (smartly) stopped looking. No problem as its as it should be.
Have no fear as no prosperity bubble lasts forever and one day, possibly soon, Thailand will go too far with their silly coups (or the idiot king will die) and some other 2nd world country starts stepping up their economy and the LOS will be back in the shitter.
Its just a question of how long.
Correct. Even restaurants have had to increase salaries to attract employees. There are just not enough folks to work. That is why Thailand was so distressed when all the Cambodian and Burmese workers fled. Yes, the economy is quite fine.You guys really make me laugh. The Cambodians, Burmese, Thai-Yai were being used because Thais that want to pay someone 120-150 Baht per day to work long hours serving food, washing the dishes etc., or labouring work, whatever. Thais will not take that sort of money. They cannot really live on that amount of money per day, even to feed just themselves with no one else to support. This happens in many countries, I see it a lot in Europe, where the low paid jobs are all taken by foreigners from very poor countries willing to be paid less than the locals.
So the aliens are moved out, of course these businesses are forced to pay higher. Otherwise no one will do it. Its not that everyone has adequate employment, its that they need more money to survive.
Thai Girls are working in the bars to make significantly more money than that. They have other family members to support in many cases, e. G. All the single mothers.
I notice many street food stands that used to be around here (Sukhumvit) are gone, coffee shops closed or empty. My favourite grilled chicken and Som Tam stand on Soi 19 is gone.
Tourism looks to be well down, due to the problems. Many bars are struggling for enough customers too.
You Farangs may be happy with the situation / economy. I can assure you the Thais I talk to are not generally happy with it. Everyone in the lower jobs is struggling. Many businesses in the tourist area just could not survive and shut down, Soi 33 of Sukhumvit has been dying. See how many customers they have in Mojos or The Office these days.
Traveler1234
07-15-14, 14:53
You Farangs may be happy with the situation / economy. I can assure you the Thais I talk to are not generally happy with it. Everyone in the lower jobs is struggling. Many businesses in the tourist area just could not survive and shut down, Soi 33 of Sukhumvit has been dying. See how many customers they have in Mojos or The Office these days.Anyone who really understands Thailand knows the overall economic situation is decaying, especially 2014. The protests, the coup, the drastic drop in tourism has dropped growth rates significantly and there is still talk of a recession.
We've got over 300 employees in our Thailand office and I can assure you none of them are happy campers this year. Retail sales are down, retail accounts are delaying payment of goods, supply chains also being stretch for credit. And the 'government' is basically broke.
But for ISG members, that's not bad news, right? LOL.
Paul Kausch
07-15-14, 15:10
Noon may not be aggressive but fastest gun in the west when it comes to approaching customers. My buddy failed to ever escape. I don't say Noon is ugly. Just a broad face does not appeal to me.
I really think there was a mix up.I had watched 2 lineups, separated by one stage show before the lady approached me.
I may very well have the names mixed up. I'm not very good with names, nor with rote memorization. I have good visual and episodic memory. I remember event and stories, peoples faces and conversations well. And at 63, my hippocampus is not as effective as it once was at moving information from my working memory into long term memory. I did send emails to friends containing terse descriptions of my exploits a day or two after they happened. I am using these to help jog my memory.
The SW lady I was with had very little body fat, a small waist relative to her hips and bust, with no saddle bags on her hips and upper outside thighs. Her ass was firm and projected back, not to the sides. She had small delicate feet and hands, and slender wrists, knees and ankles. Her core muscles were firm; and the muscle tone in her legs was like a runner's. In fact I asked her if she went to a gym regularly or ran. She said no.
It's a moot point. Whoever she is, she is no more than 155 cm tall and has a broad, plain face. Definitely not your type.
I'm going to work on my last gogo girl report. This last one worked at Dollhouse. I will post photos of her. Someone may recognize her and know her name. In which case we will know the name and number of the SW lady by process of elimination.
Paul Kausch
07-15-14, 16:17
Late in my stay I ran another circuit through Soi Cowboy and vicinity. I started the evening with dinner at the Love Scene, which I became fonder of over time. By the end of my trip the people working there recognized and warmly greeted me.
I started my carousing at Crazy House. Didn't see Pen or Pa. Hopefully Pen had been bar fined. The onstage talent was very average and half the ladies wore bikini tops and G-strings. I visited CH four or five time. Other than the first night, which had the best lineup I've seen on many a trip, the lineups ranged from average to poor; and many of the ladies wore some, albeit very skimpy, clothing on stage. I went upstairs. There were about half a dozen girls up there. Several looked like they had their first period within the last year. I left.
I walked to the other end of Soi Cowboy and stopped in at the Corner Bar. Decent house band that was playing Pink Floyd's The Wall as I walked in. Sat towards the back and ordered a drink. Was soon approached by a lady who looked to be around 40. She was a nice looking mature lady who spoke English well. No doubt she had been very attractive when she was 25. I bought her a couple of lady drinks and we chatted for about 30 minutes. At the onset I made it clear to her I was just there for some live music and a couple of drinks and then was heading out.
Walked in and out of a couple of bars, sat in a few, had some drinks and watched the girls on stage. I ended up at Dollhouse. Over the course of the evening no particular lady stood out, but by this time I was looking to get laid and figured, I'm here let's see if I can find someone who is acceptable. I did.
Her name was Noon and she was #82, or her name was Bua and her number was #47. Fuck me and my memory. Whoever this lady was she looked to be in her thirties but in good shape. No conspicuous tats. No C-section, sags or cellulite. Nice boobs, natural as I recall. As for her face, the photos make words unnecessary. I thought she was cute. (By the way, the lady at Suzy Wong was younger and darker but had a similar broad face that was a little less attractive than this ladies.) This lady's English was very good. Most of all, I liked her personality. I would describe her as happy and bubbly. I noticed she was one of the more animated ladies on stage who wore a big smile well. I got her attention while she danced. She came to my table after her set. We chatted. I bought her a lady drink. Having confirmed that I liked her personality I asked her back to my room for ST. She did not turn down my offer.
Back in the room we stripped, showered and jumped in bed. Though she didn't have a perfect body, her waist was a little thick as happens when women reach their thirties, I thought she was sexy; and the sex was good. DFK, DATY, she gave a very good BBBJ with lots of skilled ball sucking. She also did a nice job of running her tongue around and on, but not in the opening of my asshole. The boom boom was also very good. During the fucking she really got carried away. She had a couple of strong and very vocal orgasms. I would definitely classify her as a bit of a screamer. Seemed genuine. But I'd guess she's had at least ten years of experience which is plenty of time to hone some fine acting skills.
I gave her 2500 plus 100 for a taxi as I recall. I'm typically generous, especially on this trip. The hard times were apparent on the ladies faces.
So there you have it. Four ladies, all of whom were fine. Naturally, Mojie really stuck out. She was a porn star. Obviously fake and over the top, very dramatic, but I played along like we were two porn stars making a video. It was total fiction but fun. Generally, I thought there were more attractive ladies on the stages than in December. I'd say less than 10% of the ladies didn't belong on stage. However, other than the first night at Crazy House, there were few really attractive ladies. To give you an idea of the talent at Crazy House that night, Pen was definitely below average compared to the other ladies. I'm not sure why there were more decent looking ladies than I saw in December. My best guess is in December there were more customers, the better looking ones were getting bar fined and were not on stage as much. In June the ladies were not getting bar fined so there was a more representative sample of the talent on stage at any time. I was surprised that none of these ladies had any interest in my vibrators. This was not the case with all the ladies on this trip.
AsiaTraveler2
07-15-14, 17:43
normally here i just close my eyes and think tat it is someone else while getting serviced. therefore, i just take the 'first taxi off the rank' but walking in and letting the girl (whichever girl) follow me. today, walking up after getting a haircut and shave i spied a slim vision in the waiting pack and immediately grabbed her. nan (or nam) had a gazelle-like build and a lovely boat race. her skills, bluntly, were fair (one depth, one speed), but when she offered up her chin for me to cum on, i was pretty happy.surprisingly there were a couple of cuties sitting outside of [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s when i walked to check out the soi.
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You Farangs may be happy with the situation / economy. I can assure you the Thais I talk to are not generally happy with it. Everyone in the lower jobs is struggling. Many businesses in the tourist area just could not survive and shut down, Soi 33 of Sukhumvit has been dying. See how many customers they have in Mojos or The Office these days.Tourism is 6% of the Thai economy. A drop in the bucket. This is an export based economy.
In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.Apologies. I misunderstood the question. I thought you were trying to compare the cost of such services in Thailand versus equivalent in the USA.
This is not the USA. Their is no social security. People are forced to work in some way, eve if its a bar. They have to eat. Comparing to USA official unemployment is meaningless.
You do a survey with country people. Those that used to okay On a rubber plantation now have severe problems. The price of rubber has been wrecked since Yingluck came to power. Just one example. The price of gas for cars was reduced, but price of gas for the poor to cook food went up dramatically.I wasn't trying to draw a comparison with the USA. My point was that the Thai economy seems to be in pretty decent shape, at least as far as the overall unemployment numbers go. As with any economy there will be good areas and bad areas. But overall, I'd call anyplace with a sub-1% unemployment rate "booming. ".
In fact, an unemployment rate this small is a real problem. Business can't expand and it's very difficult to start new ones. There is no available labor pool from which to draw. So, I think you'll see labor costs continue to increase, perhaps significantly, over the next few years as businesses compete for available talent.
Today I went to Crazy House looking for Nat No. 5 with the 10 body and big high D- cups. Mamasan says she only showed one day about 2 weeks ago, which must have been the day I barfined her, and not seen since. Mamasan the secret of her growing tits was taking special hormones. Doesn't work for every girl. There were some nice skinny girls.
Decided to go get Aor at Dollhouse, a small slim but sexy cutie Coyote dancer. Dollhouse has a small number of Coyote dancers (wearing very cut off jean shorts). Aor turned out to be No. 35. May No. 25 (new girl) had a great slim body but face under a fringe was not quite right for me once I saw her close up. No. 17 was also very pretty (and slim). Renewed my acquaintance with Chocolat, and also Phraow, a girl with magnificent natural C cups and great lips. Unfortunately Phraow was previously a bomb-out in the room for me due to being "dick scared", or perhaps liking much younger guys, who knows. So Phraow is really hot looking for me, but no use to take her again I guess.
I also saw Bua, Paul K's No. 47. His recently attached pics are of Bua (definitely not Noon ). Much better body than Noon at Suzi Wong, but still rather too strong and thick looking for me. Face okay but not my spec. I clearly like the girls far skinnier than Paul. I like the semi-starved model types (well if they were taller they could be models). I guess Paul likes the girls built for power. Its lucky we all don't go for exactly the same thing.
Back to my girl Aor. Tiny just 150 cm and 40 Kg., very small tits, light coloured skin, comes from Khorat, super tight ass like an apple with very good gap underneath. Very small waist makes a good waist to thigh ratio. Face small and very cute little up turned nose. Turned out to be a non smoker and kissed me nicely on the bed. She responded a little bit to DATY but clearly was a bit shy and embarrassed. Let me finger her pussy, and although tightish I could find no problems. Extended fuck and also doggy was very nice. She knew how to gently massage my balls while fucking her. Exquisite feel for the sex. Will definitely repeat. Even though so small, a better match for me than Chocolat the previous night.
As usual no prices were discussed. She left it up to me. Must be due to being a long term well known customer. I guess the girls gossip and know lots about me before I even take them.
It appears that my previous regular skinny Noi with magnificent ass, has left DH and works 2nd floor Nana Plaza. I will have to ring to find out her new bar.
I can understand now that if Paul says the Crazy House line up was not that good, it might mean too many skinny girls with great gap, just right for me.
Wolvenvacht
07-15-14, 20:03
But overall, I'd call anyplace with a sub-1% unemployment rate "booming. ".
I'd call it a country with bad data collection agencies and suspect statistics.
Paul Kausch
07-15-14, 20:48
I also saw Bua, Paul K's No. 47. His recently attached pics are of Bua (definitely not Noon ). Much better body than Noon at Suzi Wong, but still rather too strong and thick looking for me. Face okay but not my spec. I clearly like the girls far skinnier than Paul. I like the semi-starved model types (well if they were taller they could be models). I guess Paul likes the girls built for power. Its lucky we all don't go for exactly the same thing.Thank you for straightening out the confusion I created with my poor notes and even poorer memory. So I was with Noon at SW. The thing is the Bua at Dollhouse was about as stocky, taller, but less busty than the SW girl I was with; and as I mentioned in a previous post, the SW lady had very toned legs like a runner. Though short, in my opinion they were her best feature. She did have a sturdy looking body. The Dollhouse lady had a thicker waist, so between the two ladies, the SW lady had more of an hour glass figure.
As for my taste in women, I have broad tastes, or perhaps I have no taste. ;) Soon I'll submit reports on #50 at Dr BJ's Nuru who is rather tall for a Thai and thin as a rail. No photos but you can see her on the website. By the way she is much thinner in person than she appears there. I'll also report on Kate at Bamboo. I have photos of her, which show how skinny she is. She's also fairly tall for a Thai girl. I was with 2 different ladies at Nataree who were both thin and petite. Again reports are coming. Mujie from Rainbow 1 was also thin and petite. However, I was also with Pinky and others at Cherry Massage. She is very reubenesque. When I'm out looking for a lady, physical appearance is only one attribute I consider. I also consider the girls personality, how well we seem to get along and whether I think there is a good chance the sex will be fun. Sometimes I want more of a PSE in which case I will try to determine if the lady has a wild side. This is why I like to post photos with my reports. Syzygies seems to have a very clear idea of the exact physical qualities he looks for in a woman. He also has very high standards. So when he says he is attracted to a particular woman, I have some sense of at least what the woman's silhouette looks like. I also expect her to be very attractive. In my case, that's not possible. The lady could be tall or short, round or thin, busty or flat, attractive or rather ordinary. I do tend to go for ladies who are happy and smile a lot. But here again, there are exceptions. I guess with me the exceptions are the rules. I've got at least six more reports to file. I better get to work.
FruitNinja
07-15-14, 22:03
As for my taste in women, I have broad tastes, or perhaps I have no taste. ;) Soon I'll submit reports on #50 at Dr BJ's Nuru who is rather tall for a Thai and thin as a rail. No photos but you can see her on the website. By the way she is much thinner in person than she appears there. I'll also report on Kate at Bamboo. I have photos of her, which show how skinny she is. She's also fairly tall for a Thai girl. I was with 2 different ladies at Nataree who were both thin and petite. Again reports are coming. Mujie from Rainbow 1 was also thin and petite. However, I was also with Pinky and others at Cherry Massage. She is very reubenesque. When I'm out looking for a lady, physical appearance is only one attribute I consider. I also consider the girls personality, how well we seem to get along and whether I think there is a good chance the sex will be fun. Sometimes I want more of a PSE in which case I will try to determine if the lady has a wild side. This is why I like to post photos with my reports. Syzygies seems to have a very clear idea of the exact physical qualities he looks for in a woman. He also has very high standards. So when he says he is attracted to a particular woman, I have some sense of at least what the woman's silhouette looks like. I also expect her to be very attractive. In my case, that's not possible. The lady could be tall or short, round or thin, busty or flat, attractive or rather ordinary. I do tend to go for ladies who are happy and smile a lot. But here again, there are exceptions. I guess with me the exceptions are the rules. I've got at least six more reports to file. I better get to work.Thanks for the reports and pictures Paul. Sounds like you had a good time. Glad my friend was able to direct you to some nice choices. As far as tastes go, I like them all. So I guess I have no taste either. I've met very few women that I couldn't get worked up over some part of her. Even a bubbly personality sometimes does the trick. I will say one thing: There are few women that look bad with my cock in their mouths.
FruitNinja
07-15-14, 22:43
Friend has invited me to Hua Hin. Was wondering if anyone has been down in that area and what is the availability for mongering. Or is it BYOG? Any help would be appreciated. Please PM if you have information to share. Thanks
I'd call it a country with bad data collection agencies and suspect statistics.Perhaps. It couldn't be any worse than the book-cooking going on in the USA.
However, based on conversations I've had with friends in the Ex-I'm and software industries, it's damned difficult to find help unless you're willing to pay through the nose. One company I know didn't pay their software development staff a year-end bonus (or maybe it was just very small, I'm not sure). Anyway, the entire team walked. After about a year they still haven't been able to replace any of them.
Perhaps. It couldn't be any worse than the book-cooking going on in the USA.
However, based on conversations I've had with friends in the Ex-I'm and software industries, it's damned difficult to find help unless you're willing to pay through the nose. One company I know didn't pay their software development staff a year-end bonus (or maybe it was just very small, I'm not sure). Anyway, the entire team walked. After about a year they still haven't been able to replace any of them.Spot on. Finding good employees is tough as they all know another job is right around the corner.
Friend has invited me to Hua Hin. Was wondering if anyone has been down in that area and what is the availability for mongering. Or is it BYOG? Any help would be appreciated. Please PM if you have information to share. ThanksHaven't been to Hua Hin in about a year so take this into account. Go down by the Hilton as you walk along the soi in front of the Hilton there a # of sois on your left side. Just pick 1 of these and head down this leads into the bar area. Quite a number of bars and massage shops and a fair amount of action. I like it there as not as crazy as BKK just wander around a bit and you will figure out the lay out.
Spot on. Finding good employees is tough as they all know another job is right around the corner.Its known there are shortages in the highly skilled jobs. Most countries have many foreigners in IT like Indians for example and like myself. I don't work in my home country any more.
This does not provide alternate work for bargirls quite obviously. What are the well paid alternatives available to the poorly educated girls? I would estimate that Noo Dee the No. 1 girl in Suzi Wong makes well over 100 k per month, probably 120. Her education is not high but currently studying English. This is an exception of course. The average bar girl makes far less than this.
Some bar girls are only showing up sporadically when they need extra money. Nat No. 5 at Crazy House has the body that can pull a customer in a flash. However supposedly is rarely showing up to work. She is supposed to have a Tom girlfriend. May have some Farang guys supporting her too. Otherwise not sure where the money is coming from.
Nola Kenner
07-16-14, 04:17
Perhaps. It couldn't be any worse than the book-cooking going on in the USA.
However, based on conversations I've had with friends in the Ex-I'm and software industries, it's damned difficult to find help unless you're willing to pay through the nose. One company I know didn't pay their software development staff a year-end bonus (or maybe it was just very small, I'm not sure). Anyway, the entire team walked. After about a year they still haven't been able to replace any of them.I have a feeling that the company is not doing too well and the local techies know that. Or they are not paying at or better than market salaries. We are going off base from our discussion of chicas but I think the local economy does have a lot to do with the supply of chicas.
Thank you for straightening out the confusion I created with my poor notes and even poorer memory. So I was with Noon at SW. The thing is the Bua at Dollhouse was about as stocky, taller, but less busty than the SW girl I was with; and as I mentioned in a previous post, the SW lady had very toned legs like a runner. Though short, in my opinion they were her best feature. She did have a sturdy looking body. The Dollhouse lady had a thicker waist, so between the two ladies, the SW lady had more of an hour glass figure."hour glass"? You really crack me up. ROFLMAO. Your memory is shot. You got distracted by the big sillies. Sticking 2 big sillies on was no help to my eye. I am oriented toward exceptional asses. You don't really mention the Ass. Noon does not have an "ass" to die for (not even close). Tits size is not so important to me.
My taste is rather picky and very "narrow" it seems, although skin colour doesn't matter to me. Certainly no Rubenesque girls for me.
Would be interesting to get some other opinions on Noon's figure. For me barely a 5 out of 10. Next time I am there I will ask some others what they think out of curiosity, in case I am the freak and have a strange view. It is known I hate the Baccara girl looks so that makes me weird.
Noon has skinny legs. Calves muscles are much smaller than Noo Dee (who weighs about 6 to 7 Kg. less for same height). Noon's thighs are not that wide but ass is a bit flat and shapeless rather than "peach" shaped. From waist up, Noon is big. This gives her an overall very straight body, in contrast to the "hour glass". Her waist to thigh ratio is rather poor. Thais call this body "bpum bpui" meaning not really fat but a little chubby or at least puffy. I don't believe her ass and legs have enough shape to even qualify for Rubinesque. I will check again next time in Suzi Wong. Noo Dee laughs loudly at the suggestion that Noon has a good body, and agrees more with my opinion. However she comes from the same bias as me, having a very slim tight toned body, no fat, and only A cups.
Its the tall, white skinned, Anne at SW that has a very "hourglass" figure with enhanced D cups, small waist, and broad thighs. So I refer to her as "Lara Croft". She gets a lot of business since the tits were done. They are amazing, even I admit, despite being assisted.
In Crazy House I will probably end up BFing the waitress, if she is available. She looks a bit like Jennifer Lawrence in the face with white skin and high cheekbones. Sweet girl. I can't really see what the figure is really like as she is clothed. LOL. I guess will have to try to mentally undress her and imagine it. Being an ass shape enthusiast, its difficult with a dress on. Tight fitting jeans would help much more.
Tourism is 6% of the Thai economy. A drop in the bucket. This is an export based economy."Much of the tourist industry is dependent on sex workers and it makes up around 7 percent of the GDP -- more than rice exports," she says. "The International Labour Organisation found sex workers send home US $300 million a year to rural areas, which is more than any government development project. "
http://travel.cnn.com/bangkok/life/25-years-thailands-sex-industry-233135
Although tourism is sharply down in 2014. Which explains the constant ISG reports of how easy it is to pick up the best looking "working girls" in BKK.
No doubt many of the average lookers are now laid off, unemployed & looking for minimum wage jobs, or having an unusually tough time pulling any customers.
With the upcoming crackdown by immigration, which has already begun at some borders & is to be enforced at airports next month, things may become much worse yet for the tourism industry, and "working girls". Many thousands of foreigners may flee the country, not be permitted to reenter for life, or see the handwriting on the wall & not even try to come to LOS. Dee day is August 12.
Its known there are shortages in the highly skilled jobs. Most countries have many foreigners in IT like Indians for example and like myself. I don't work in my home country any more.
This does not provide alternate work for bargirls quite obviously. What are the well paid alternatives available to the poorly educated girls? I would estimate that Noo Dee the No. 1 girl in Suzi Wong makes well over 100 k per month, probably 120. Her education is not high but currently studying English. This is an exception of course. The average bar girl makes far less than this. I was talking to one of the bar owners in Soi 7/1 a few months ago and his cashier makes around 100 k a month! I don't even think she is available for BFs any more. Apparently she has at least 2 farangs sending her 30 k a month each and gets an OK salary from her job.
There is definitely a shortage of highly skilled staff in Thailand, especially those who can speak English. I would also think that the high end hotels, bars and restaurants probably pay their staff reasonably well so they are unlikely to be in the P4 P scene. I've seen some real stunners in working some of the hotels. My guess would be that although Thailand has low unemployment it is probably well above 1%, and there is probably a lot of underemployment, people doing jobs to make ends meet rather than jobs they are qualified to do. With no unemployment benefits available it's probably impossible to know the actual figure.
Its known there are shortages in the highly skilled jobs. Most countries have many foreigners in IT like Indians for example and like myself. I don't work in my home country any more.
This does not provide alternate work for bargirls quite obviously. What are the well paid alternatives available to the poorly educated girls? I would estimate that Noo Dee the No. 1 girl in Suzi Wong makes well over 100 k per month, probably 120. Her education is not high but currently studying English. This is an exception of course. The average bar girl makes far less than this.
Some bar girls are only showing up sporadically when they need extra money. Nat No. 5 at Crazy House has the body that can pull a customer in a flash. However supposedly is rarely showing up to work. She is supposed to have a Tom girlfriend. May have some Farang guys supporting her too. Otherwise not sure where the money is coming from.We are not talking about bar girls per se, but while on the subject if an uneducated gal wanted to work in a restaurant she could make a living these days. 15 years ago that was not the case. Now it is. There are far more choices, that is why there are fewer and fewer gals in the biz and why most in the biz now are gals who are taking the easy way out or are just not that swift.
We are not talking about bar girls per se, but while on the subject if an uneducated gal wanted to work in a restaurant she could make a living these days. 15 years ago that was not the case. Now it is. There are far more choices, that is why there are fewer and fewer gals in the biz and why most in the biz now are gals who are taking the easy way out or are just not that swift.Okay I will ask them what about working in restaurants. Can't they get a good job there? I suspect that many restaurants are not that busy and not looking for staff. Hair dressing and beauty businesses everywhere are struggling.
I know that many outdoor food places in Chiang Mai are wanting to pay such low money that they try to get girls from Burma more so than Thais. I know a Burmese (Thai Yai) girl working in such a food place and getting very low money. She previously did factory work putting together articles for sale, and in sewing. I also know owners and workers in rubber farms. The price of rubber has dropped right away since Yingluck. One girl who was doing rubber farm work, has returned to bar work as was not making enough money.
I know a well known ex MP girl doing rubber farm work. I will ask her how the money is going. How much she can make per month. She is an intelligent girl and even speaks English quite well. I will ask why she doesn't work in a restaurant.
I know another girl used to sell pirate DVDs in Phanthip. Now sells "Khanom Krok" in the country. Really struggling to pay her daughter's education. I will ask how much she makes per day and why she does not work in a restaurant. Maybe she is not young and pretty enough any more. She is probably close to 40.
I know another girl used to work in Siam City Hotel in the Japanese restaurant. Experienced drinks waitress. She stopped for a while to get wrist operation. Now must be 47. I don't think she can get another restaurant job. No one wants her.
I really don't think it is easy as what you guys portray (imagine). Talk to the real people out there struggling and see what their realistic options are. I don't a single person out there with low education that has great prospects for work. Not one. I will also talk to the girl working the Bradman Pub. See what they earn. They have to be pretty good workers, have looks, and very strong English. Selection process is tough.
Okay I will ask them what about working in restaurants. Can't they get a good job there? I suspect that many restaurants are not that busy and not looking for staff. Hair dressing and beauty businesses everywhere are struggling.
I know that many outdoor food places in Chiang Mai are wanting to pay such low money that they try to get girls from Burma more so than Thais. I know a Burmese (Thai Yai) girl working in such a food place and getting very low money. She previously did factory work putting together articles for sale, and in sewing. I also know owners and workers in rubber farms. The price of rubber has dropped right away since Yingluck. One girl who was doing rubber farm work, has returned to bar work as was not making enough money.
I know a well known ex MP girl doing rubber farm work. I will ask her how the money is going. How much she can make per month. She is an intelligent girl and even speaks English quite well. I will ask why she doesn't work in a restaurant.
I know another girl used to sell pirate DVDs in Phanthip. Now sells "Khanom Krok" in the country. Really struggling to pay her daughter's education. I will ask how much she makes per day and why she does not work in a restaurant. Maybe she is not young and pretty enough any more. She is probably close to 40.
I know another girl used to work in Siam City Hotel in the Japanese restaurant. Experienced drinks waitress. She stopped for a while to get wrist operation. Now must be 47. I don't think she can get another restaurant job. No one wants her.
I really don't think it is easy as what you guys portray (imagine). Talk to the real people out there struggling and see what their realistic options are. I don't a single person out there with low education that has great prospects for work. Not one. I will also talk to the girl working the Bradman Pub. See what they earn. They have to be pretty good workers, have looks, and very strong English. Selection process is tough.Most of the Thais I know here are educated. Most have Uni degrees and all have finished Mo-6 (high school). It is quite simple for them to find a job that pays them enough to live.
Age discrimination is an issue here. A big one. It is difficult to get a job over 40, but with a rapidly aging population that might not be the case for much longer.
Thailand has begged for the Cambodians and Burmese laborers to come back. Why? There is not enough labor without them. Construction projects are delayed at time due to too few workers. This might change depending on how the Junta proceeds. The economy could take a hit.
And I would say the lower Sukhumvit area and the workers therein are a very poor yardstick of what is going on in the country, and not even a good measure of Bangkok. Get out into the rest of the city and restaurants are filled with Thai folks nightly. Most of the places we frequent are busier than ever. I have even had to start booking a table at my favorite Isaan place in Din Daeng. There are fewer tourists for sure, but as I said, it is only 6% of GDP.
Most of the Thais I know here are educated. Most have Uni degrees and all have finished Mo-6 (high school). It is quite simple for them to find a job that pays them enough to live.
Age discrimination is an issue here. A big one. It is difficult to get a job over 40, but with a rapidly aging population that might not be the case for much longer.
Thailand has begged for the Cambodians and Burmese laborers to come back. Why? There is not enough labor without them. Construction projects are delayed at time due to too few workers. This might change depending on how the Junta proceeds. The economy could take a hit.
And I would say the lower Sukhumvit area and the workers therein are a very poor yardstick of what is going on in the country, and not even a good measure of Bangkok. Get out into the rest of the city and restaurants are filled with Thai folks nightly. Most of the places we frequent are busier than ever. I have even had to start booking a table at my favorite Isaan place in Din Daeng. There are fewer tourists for sure, but as I said, it is only 6% of GDP.I am not going to argue the case of highly educated Thais. They cannot be compared to bargirls, MP girls etc.
I spoke about many people up country or Bangkok suburbs, but the education levels are weak. I am sure construction projects could get workers if they pay enough. I really think the issue is how much the workers need to survive okay And how much is being paid, they are poles apart. Its only the foreigners willing to accept sufficiently low money.
I am not going to argue the case of highly educated Thais. They cannot be compared to bargirls, MP girls etc.
I spoke about many people up country or Bangkok suburbs, but the education levels are weak. I am sure construction projects could get workers if they pay enough. I really think the issue is how much the workers need to survive okay And how much is being paid, they are poles apart. Its only the foreigners willing to accept sufficiently low money.Education levels are improving in this country. There are very low cost student loans available to folks. My gal has a couple of cousins from families that are quite poor but they have managed to get loans, get through school (one has just completed her Masters), and are making good money. The opportunity and jobs are there. All you have to do is want it and work.
Construction pays a minimum of 300 baht a day plus OT to Thai workers, plus most live in metal housing near the site that is very low cost. With OT they are making close to 15 k a month. Normally both the wife and the hubby work. So that is 30 k. Not bad for uneducated folks. Many save, buy land, or other businesses.
Hell, street food vendors do quite well. Start doing the math. Most pay about 5 k or less for their spot. One dude in our area who sold North food was netting an average of 4 k per day. He is now retired and back in Chiang Rai on his paid for farm.
It is amazingly easy for a Thai to start a business here. And quite cheap. Entrepreneurial Thais do very well. Too bad the same opportunity is not granted to foreigners here. If so most of us could make a killing.
Friend has invited me to Hua Hin. Was wondering if anyone has been down in that area and what is the availability for mongering. Or is it BYOG? Any help would be appreciated. Please PM if you have information to share. ThanksThere is no need for PM, but you should be asking in the "Other Areas" thread. Hua Hin is not a prime mongering destination. I don't actually know much about Hua Hin and whether has any mongering bars. Probably would be surprising if it has nothing at all. If you have a fantastic girl you like to spend days with, then take her. Others do that.
The Thai population grew by 10 percent from 2000 to 2012, by about 6 million people. So there are not fewer girls, but about 3 million more than before. But those 3 million girls are only 13 or 14 years old now...
On entering Doll House on Tuesday, I was surprised how many girls I did not recognise. If you think you know a bar well, within 2 or 3 months, you won't. The standard has actually improved a bit.
Crazy House has several new girls after just a 2 week absence. One new girl No. 15 was aged 80, or maybe I got something backwards, according to a strong rumour. There are no ST rooms upstairs but there are ST Hotels nearby. However I prefer to be very safe. The last girl I took was 19 I hope. I normally take older than that. Be careful. A waitress pointed out a very brown new girl. She had super ass, maybe just on the slightly too big side for me, leaving insufficient gap between the upper thighs. Not properly starved for my taste and in any case did not like the smirk on her face. Got the impression she would be a very "shifty" type. So my taste varies from that of the bar staff too. I was surprised they would suggest such a brown girl though, not that the colour was a problem for me.
But those 3 million girls are only 13 or 14 years old now...Sorry, I meant between 1 and 14 yo!
Anyway these girls do not increase the P4P scene (yet). Except maybe a few in Crazy House, LOL!
FruitNinja
07-16-14, 17:07
There is no need for PM, but you should be asking in the "Other Areas" thread. Hua Hin is not a prime mongering destination. I don't actually know much about Hua Hin and whether has any mongering bars. Probably would be surprising if it has nothing at all. If you have a fantastic girl you like to spend days with, then take her. Others do that.I did post in "Other Areas" after doing a few searches. The search function here is not the best. The reason I posted here is because there are more experienced mongers in this forum. I asked for PM as not to waste precious bytes and to minimize the off topic posts. We all know how sensitive some guys are to off topic posting. They are very quick to point out the obvious to us school kids. Got to watch we don't use up all those bytes. Not that discussions about economics and a plethora of other things is too on topic. But hey, what do I know. I did read an interesting article in the New York Times about the real cost of cheeseburgers to he US economy. I wonder if anyone has done any research on the Pad Thai affect on the Thai economy.
And as a seasoned monger I do have a plan be with a long time friend from Bacarra.
Thanks for the help.
Paul Kausch
07-16-14, 17:25
"hour glass"? You really crack me up. ROFLMAO. Your memory is shot. You got distracted by the big sillies. Or perhaps we are describing two different ladies.
When it comes to visual images and sequences of events, my memory is and always has been excellent. At 63, I'm still able to develop very complex mathematical models in workbooks with a dozen worksheets, with hundreds of equations on each sheet. I have no difficulty keep track of what is where, what the various parts of the model are calculating and how they interconnect. I get paid a lot of money for very little of my time because I have this knowledge and ability. As I mentioned in a previous post, I've never been good with names. Also, as I've mentioned in a number of posts, I tend to dislike large breasts and definitely prefer women who are all natural. Pen is a good example. Notice in her photos that she has average size natural breasts that are starting to sag a bit. She's in her thirties and has had two children. I like her breasts. I probably would have liked them better ten years ago, but I also have a bit of wear on me.
The personality and appearance of the lady you described, other than the broad, plain face is nothing like the lady I was with. As I've mentioned before, the lady I was with approached me very politely after I sat through two sets and a short intervening show. She had legs like a runner. She had fairly wide pelvic bones, but her hips and ass were very toned, no saddle bags and her ass projected back, not to the sides. She was top heavy from the silicon. This combined with a trim waist from a firm core produced a distinct hour-glass shape.
I've attached two photos of Aor to illustrate my point about the baby fat on her tummy and her inverted cone shaped legs. In the photo in which Aor is sitting on my bed, you will see a small but conspicuous roll of tummy fat. The lady I was with, while she didn't have a six-pack, had no belly fat. In the photo of Aor standing with her back to the camera, you will notice she has absolutely no muscle tone in her legs. She has no discernible hamstring muscles and no development in her calf muscles. The lady I was with had well developed hamstrings and calves. The circumference of Aor's calves are greatest just below the knee and tapper from there. The calves on the girl I was with had the greatest circumference approximately mid-way between her knees and ankles. I made a point of asking her if she went to a gym or was a runner.
Syzygies, I know you are a smart, knowledgeable guy. I think it's possible we are talking about two different ladies. Perhaps though I had Noon written down on a sheet of paper, the lady I bar fined was not Noon. I did go to SW more than once, but bar fined a lady there only once. When I reached home, I had an envelope with a stack of small pieces of paper with names, phone numbers and or email addresses and in some cases the number on a girl's tag and the name of a bar. With some of the girls I sat with, I bought them a lady drink, but did not bar fine them. Some asked me to write down their name and number. I saw clear evidence that times were tough and many ladies were hurting financially. I sorted through these pieces of paper and a number of emails I sent to friends while I was in Bangkok to help me piece together some of my reports.
What am I missing. Crazy House girls are in no way better than any other establishment. Their drink prices, on the other hand are great.
I only wish that when I'm over 60 I'll be able to bring joy to the little brown girls of Issarn like a few do here.
ActionOriented
07-16-14, 17:53
July 12, 2014
It was only in May that I had made my last trip to Bangkok and I was still hurting from the financial overspend. All of June, reading through the various threads both here and elsewhere, I had come to the conclusion that I needed to explore Pattaya as opposed to making each trip only about Bangkok. During this time, a fellow member also reached out to me and he hailed from another city in India and soon enough we got down to planning a joint trip to LOS which would stress heavily on Pattaya instead of Bangkok. After trying to coordinate we ended up matching our schedules only for 2 days, so it was to be one day in Bangkok and one day in Pattaya. I made a serious effort to save up for this trip hoping that I would not be spending as much as I did last time. Early Saturday morning (which incidentally was a public holiday in Thailand, with few alcohol based restrictions) I took off for Bangkok. Although my flight duration was relatively short (4 hours) it was quite a forgettable experience, bawling babies on the aircraft, uncomfortable seating and shitty flight timings. Yet all hope was not lost, even though I could hardly catch a snooze on the flight, I was happy that I was going back to LOS.
I reach Bangkok around 12.30 pm, breezed through immigration did the usual local SIM purchase at the airport and currency change routine at Rajdamri. Checked into Majestic Suites on soi 4 next to Nana Entertainment Plaza. The hotel has a very enthusiastic staff working the reception and they were very welcoming. Although I paid a little less than the amount I would have otherwise paid at the Mac on soi 7, the rooms at the Majestic Suite were quite tiny and industrial. The mattress on the bed was reasonably comfortable, however, the bed has bad support, it seemed that the wheels underneath made it move with the slightest of motions (non-sexual of course). Anyways, after checking in, we caught a quick bite to eat at the hotel restaurant while we mulled over recommendations for MPs to hit during the day. Several names were discussed and rejected, finally we narrowed in on Analisa massage. We took the BTS to Thong Lo and upon exiting had to walk for another 10 minutes and took a bit of searching before we could actually locate the MP amongst the several on that particular sub-soi. Analisa massage is on a sub-soi with several other massage shops the names of which I don't quite remember but they all seemed liked non-FS joints (please correct me if my understanding is not correct). Upon entering Analisa, we found only two girls available at the reception but they were both cute and I for one wasn't complaining. There was some kind of misunderstanding and the fellow monger landed up with the girl I initially chose. In any case, after seeing the menu that was presented to us, I chose the bum and prostate massage which set me back THB 1,300. Since FS was not on the menu, I wasn't fussed with taking a girl who was not my first choice. The rooms are tiny and every two rooms share an air-conditioning unit. The girl I ended up with was called Lek (or Lake) but she did have good skin. She gave me what it turns out is a sensual massage, tingling me at all the right places. The bum massage was OK, not the best I have had. With the prostate massage I did not last very long and blew a big load some of which landed in her hair (that was a first). I tipped the girl THB 100 since it was a non FS thingy and I was done within the 1 hour slot that was allotted. After the massage we moved onto a Dutch beer bar across the street where we sat guzzling down beer and deciding on the next course of action. It seems that this particular bar was not following the alcohol prohibition that was in force, happily we entered.
Tulip was on my list (yes, a tourist that ways) and it took a meal and a couple of beers for me to prepare myself for an oily offering up PSE. I really liked Tulip's location, and I was surprised that I had never noticed it earlier, it is right under the BTS. Tulip's entrance area did look dated with several mature to elderly ladies lounging about. Since my fellow monger had done his research on the oilies I let him take the lead on this one. He went up to the counter and rattled of the names of 3-4 girls, one had left and 3 were busy with customers. Clearly, if you are looking for a star, book in advance. Disappointed, I picked up a card from the entrance and left (pic attached and contains contact information for those who have been looking), promising to return someday.
Next stop Mango massage, since we were tired of moving on from one MP to another, my fellow monger just went up to the reception where around 10-12 girls were sitting and directly asked the receptionist to point out the girls who do anal (nice touch, cuts the bullshit right out). 5 girls raised their hands, the fellow monger snapped up the prettiest, I took Ana (her pic is also available on Mango's website I upload a picture I took on my phone). After walking up a flight of stairs into a room which seemed to have been used for many romps, we started chatting. Her understanding of English was much better than a lot of Thai girls I had met so far. We entered the shower where she cleaned me up diligently and washed herself up. Most attractive feature were her tits, upon pressing them they seemed to be silicone. My first experience with fake breasts. Interesting they were, not sure if I enjoy them but they are great for a tit fuck. So out of the shower and she goes on for BBBJ without question of putting on a condom. Great start with a great BJ. Soon when her action was getting a little too stressful for me I got her up and turned her around and went for her pussy. The pussy didn't seem to have much joy and I quickly went into the ass. Banged both the pussy and ass alternatively for a while. All this while she was facing the wall and a side profile was visible in the mirror next to the bed. Next I turned her to face the mirror and I planted my feet on the ground and repeated the same routine again. During this time, I occasionally also let her blow me. So alternating between all three holes with no requirement to change condoms was amazing. She got onto cowgirl next which we did until she tired. Moved to missionary where I pounded her ass again. By this time I was tired, but not able to cum. So got another BJ and it was her mission to get me to cum, I could see the determination and no desperate pleas to finish quick. I was impressed. After missionary, I took off the condom, brought her head over my dick. She impaled the instrument with her tongue and then I took my dick between her tits for a titty fuck. At this point I was unable to control anymore, I came all over those gorgeously crafted breasts, with a shot hitting her chin. Best oily experience ever, right up there with my experience at Bamboo last time around.
After the session, there was no rush to dress up and leave. After a shower, I lay around smoking on the bed and she told me about herself. I wish I had another day in BKK, would have liked to come back for round 2 with this one. Best money I have paid for an hour's joy. I paid THB 1,900 at the counter and tipped her THB 300, this session had left me ravenously hungry (appetite builder). It was already evening and time to hit the Go-Gos (hoping that they were open). Reached SC by 10.30 pm, every shop was closed and boarded up. I dropped a quick post to update the thread about the closure. Moved onto NEP, where there were several SWs around but most looked like LBs. Most of the Go-Gos were closed as well, only 2-3 places open, Suckers (earlier known as Lollipop), Angelswitch and DC-10.
Suckers had one or two decent lookers around, the girls soon came over we had a drink or two. They had a small placard (laminated print just like at Bacarra) setting out the bar fine and rates. Bar fine was around THB 700, ST 2000 and LT 4,000. At this time I spotted another tall cutie who looked quite geared for East Asian punters. Since she wasn't looking to attract our attention, we left the place and went to Angelswitch (first floor). These guys really know how to put on a show when they do not have fat Go-Go girls parading on the stage. The enthusiastic dancers who come are pretty. Yet again geared to the East Asians. After having a couple of drinks (we had started the night with soft beverages post 12 am alcohol was flowing), we moved onto to Climax.
It was around 2 am and the place was packed with girls and punters. Several CIS girls as well, wonder how many were available for pick up. Several cute Thai FLs dancing about, most had potential punters making conversation. I cased the joint for a couple of hours and had a blast listening to the music. Connected back with the waitress I had befriended last time and I told her this time that I would rather take her ST / LT. She didn't get offended by it, at least I hope she wasn't. During my search for a FL at Climax, I noticed (since the music is so terribly loud, mime negotiations were common) that several of the good looking FL's were quoting 3 K for ST and 5 K for LT. An outrageous price IMO. Once Climax started to close up around 4 am, I left and slinked back towards my hotel. I had thought being off season the FL market would be a buyer's market, may be I didn't try harder.
Picked up a SW in front of my hotel and prayed that it was a WG. Took her to the room, happy to feel in the lift that there was a pussy in between those legs. All this chic said on the road was 1 K for sucking, fking and massage. OK, deal done. Took her to the room, she immediately positioned herself on the floor and engorged my dick in her mouth. After a hasty BJ, turned her over and fucked both the pussy and ass. Tried a couple of other positions, at this point I was so tired that all I could think off was sleep. After another 10 minutes or so, I told her to get me off with a BJ. She just gave me a HJ with tongue on tip of dick. After CIM, I paid 1 K and asked that she leave. Since I had to set off to Pattaya by afternoon the same day (hardly a few hours of sleep).
Next instalment of the report will be put up in the Pattaya Reports section.
I've attached two photos of Aor ....
Wow. She's nice. Apologies if I'm not paying attention, but where did you find her and how much?
FruitNinja
07-16-14, 19:33
"hour glass"? You really crack me up. ROFLMAO. Your memory is shot. You got distracted by the big sillies. Sticking 2 big sillies on was no help to my eye. I am oriented toward exceptional asses. You don't really mention the Ass. Noon does not have an "ass" to die for (not even close). Tits size is not so important to me.Paul, you have been schooled. Pay attention now so you don't make any mistakes again. You must not have read the Syz Guide Book to working girls. How could you think differently?
Paul Kausch
07-16-14, 21:41
Wow. She's nice. Apologies if I'm not paying attention, but where did you find her and how much?I saw her last December. Her name is Aor, she was #24 at Annie's and still appears on the website. What is hard to tell from the photos is she is 170 cm in her bare feet. I posted a number of other photos I took of her. If you do a search on my reports in late December to early January, you can find some reports I wrote about her. Or perhaps you shouldn't do that, unless you're prepared to be very disappointed. As hot as she looks she is even wilder; or I should say was; but then she probably still is; but she's disappeared. There are lot's of rumors: she contracted HIV; she made enough money and retired; she's being supported by some rich guy; she's in Dubai making a fortune. Someone on ISG may know the real story but isn't telling it.
FruitNinja
07-16-14, 21:53
I saw her last December. Her name is Aor, she was #24 at Annie's and still appears on the website. What is hard to tell from the photos is she is 170 cm in her bare feet. I posted a number of other photos I took of her. If you do a search on my reports in late December to early January, you can find some reports I wrote about her. Or perhaps you shouldn't do that, unless you're prepared to be very disappointed. As hot as she looks she is even wilder; or I should say was; but then she probably still is; but she's disappeared. There are lot's of rumors: she contracted HIV; she made enough money and retired; she being supported by some rich guy; she's in Dubai making a fortune. Some one on ISG may know the real story but isn't telling it.She was really a gem Paul. Some of the best sex I've had and a nice person to boot.
Sorry, I meant between 1 and 14 yo!
Anyway these girls do not increase the P4P scene (yet). Except maybe a few in Crazy House, LOL!Of course that's true. I didn't said they did. The OP said the birth rate was declining & there are fewer girls. I pointed out that was wrong & why.
The number of girls does not equate to or tell you how many are in P4P. You could have 100 million more girls in one year than another year in a country & more girls in P4P when the population of girls was 100 million lower.
Secondly, come to Thailand in 4 or 5 years & you might find some of them for a legal fuck.
Paul Kausch
07-16-14, 22:22
"hour glass"? You really crack me up.Syzygies, I used the term hour-glass for a reason; and the reason was based on some specific knowledge I have.
The women's fashion industry uses a nomenclature based on a fruit salad and a pre-mechanical watch invention for telling time to divide women's silhouettes into four categories.
In 2004 a consortium of companies, organizations and a number of universities in the USA conducted a survey called SizeUSA. Ten thousand adults in thirteen cities had their body shape measured. In 2005 Alva Products, a manufacturer of designer mannequins commissioned a study by North Carolina State University to develop a system to classify the shapes of women's body. The researchers analyzed the data collected from 6,000 women in the SizeUSA study. They found women's bodies could be classified using a four shape system as followings.
Banana: The waist measurement is less than 9 inches smaller than the hips or bust measurement. Body fat is distributed predominantly in the abdomen, buttocks, chest, and face. The overall fat distribution creates a straight shape.
Apple: Women with this shape have broader shoulders compared to their narrower hips. They tend to have slim legs, while the abdomen and chest look larger compared to the rest of the body. Fat is mainly distributed in the abdomen, chest, and face.
Pear: The hip measurement is greater than the bust measurement. The distribution of fat varies, with fat tending to deposit first in the buttocks, hips, and thighs. As body fat percentage increases, an increasing proportion of body fat is distributed around the waist and upper abdomen. The women of this body type tend to have relatively larger rears and thighs, and smaller bosoms.
Hourglass: The hip and bust are almost of equal size with a narrow waist. Body fat distribution tends to be around both the upper body and lower body. This body type enlarges the arms, chest, hips, and rear before other parts, such as the waist and upper abdomen.
The researchers found that 46% of the women in the data base had the banana shape, just over 20% were pear shaped, slightly fewer than 14% apple shaped, and only 8% were hourglass shaped. The hourglass is an aesthetic ideal. Some women go to great and expensive lengths to augment their bodies through cosmetic surgery in a quest to attain this ideal. This is especially common in the P4P industry.
As for Noon or Loon or Goon or whatever the name of the lady I was with goes, she, as is the case with many of the women in Bangkok's gogos, has an hourglass figure using this classification system. She is probably naturally a pear, with a genetic predisposition to have well-developed leg muscles, but the augmented breasts give her an hourglass shape.
Frankly, I could care less who the lady I bar fined was. I write reports because I enjoy writing them; and entertainment value and information are equally important to me. If some guys get some information from my reports they find useful, great! If other guys just enjoy reading them, great! If some guys don't like what I have to say, sorry I don't mean to offend anyone. In hindsight, I should have just written that I wasn't sure of her name. I tried to convey that in my initial report. Regardless, I had fun with her; and I enjoyed my visits to Suzy Wong, which I can thank you for. I know it is one of your favorite places, so I figured it must be worthwhile visiting. And it was.
I took most of the verbiage in this report from a business plan I wrote years ago. It was a fun and profitable venture.
Paul Kausch
07-16-14, 22:38
She was really a gem Paul. Some of the best sex I've had and a nice person to boot.She was unusual in many ways. Too bad too many assholes thought a pretty young lady who just loved wild uninhibited sex gave them a license to abuse her. After a few overnight sessions she got to know me well enough to feel comfortable describing what some of her days were like. Wherever she is and whatever she is doing I wish her the best.
Member #4698
07-17-14, 00:59
Too bad too many assholes thought a pretty young lady who just loved wild uninhibited sex gave them a license to abuse her. After a few overnight sessions she got to know me well enough to feel comfortable describing what some of her days were like. Wherever she is and whatever she is doing I wish her the best.This is one of the reasons I am very reluctant to post names and uncensored images of my girls. These days I feel the need to protect my girls and their identities on an open site forum like this one. I did not always feel this way, but over time I realized these girls do need to be shielded. There are just too many assholes out there. I feel it is more than enough to post about favorite venues and the opportunities available within along with personal experiences and adventures. Then let each informed individual punter find their own girls and make their own unique adventure happen their way.
I like your posts Paul and I respect you, but I am not interested in doing your girls per se. If I choose to go to Bamboo, Dr. BJ's or some other place you may have reported on, I will size up the girls I meet there at the moment of introduction and see who I like and who is sending me a good vibe. I may pick a different girl than you or not. Either way, I am not interested in remembering specifically who you had a good time with because it might affect my selection and I want to make my own decision clean without any outside influence. It is personal between me and the girl. My point is that my mileage will certainly vary from yours even if we experience the same girl for a variety of reasons and that is good and as it should be. Now some guys can't do it on their own and want to shag a girl they have read about on the internet, others might even have a disgusting desire to pile drive some girl they heard enjoyed good sex until she can't walk for a week. I just don't want to put a target on a girl I like and send a bunch of punters I can't vouch for right to her door.
I also do not want to start a range war with fellow board members that I otherwise respect, but I cringe, for example, every time S publicly mentions ND. She is super hot and a very sweet girl. At least that is the vibe she gave to me. She may give a different vibe to others. I had no idea at the time I met her that she was a friend of S. That was the last thing I needed to know. It was not relevant. She is very popular and for good reason, so she does not need the publicity! It is not in her best interest and the publicity is not in the BM's best interest either. The same thing applies to a girl like #24 who now is no longer available. I hope #24 is happy and living the good life.
By the way, I do share personal info privately with certain BM's that I respect and that have unconsciously shown me through their many contributions to this forum over the years that we are of like mind regarding the girls and they are relatively civilized and know how to treat a girl right. 555. You guys know who you are. And I include you in this group Paul. I think you know this. But I strongly feel the girls need to be shielded a little by using initials instead of names and by blurring and camouflaging their eyes to hide their true identify. Think about it.
Can you guys give some of the horrors prostitutes go through. As a good person I just can't conceive guys mis-treating the girls. Even though I'm sure it happens. Hence a main reason if a girl can get away with it she won't suck farang cock.
I just can't get girls to tell me about the darkside of their jobs- not that having sex with strangers is bad enough.
Hi lads,
Just wanted to confirm that there is indeed a new location for Lollipop (well, new for me, anyway). Go way down Sukhumvit Soi 11, turn left before the 711 at the end, then a quick right and a left into the sub Soi that has Banana Club on the corner. I went at about 4 pm and the lineup was pretty unappealing. Took Ae, who had an okay fake rack and somewhat passable skills. I'll repeat, simply because I'm in that area frequently, but the location will work against the place.
Natty,
You are dead right that ND does not need any publicity. She states that she is not really accepting new customers that she doesn't know, unless very convinced they are nice guys. She is pretty much fully booked by her old customers.
Can you guys give some of the horrors prostitutes go through. As a good person I just can't conceive guys mis-treating the girls. Even though I'm sure it happens. Hence a main reason if a girl can get away with it she won't suck farang cock.
I just can't get girls to tell me about the darkside of their jobs- not that having sex with strangers is bad enough.Long ago I used to visit Cat at Mango. Very cute girl. She told me that her job was not enjoyable in general as over 50% of her customers were psycho cases. Maybe they wanted to fuck too hard or have her do degrading things, she did not really go into the details. She seemed to be able to enjoy sex with me as I only did very normal things and never even asked for her asshole. I was supposedly in the low percentage of nice guys.
Wasn't that long till Cat disappeared. She could not take working at Mango any more. Many girls doing PSE at these places are very keen to leave as soon as possible.
Bargirls have it a bit easier as they can refuse customers and I have been refused many times too. However in some bars girls are getting severely groped by the customers in public which can be highly embarrassing for them.
Some girls are lucky and have mainly good customers repeating.
Its really hard for us to imagine how bad a customer can be, though some guys write fairly sick stuff on the forum in my opinion. Many guys are over influenced by watching sicko things in porn movies, and want to copy. Many guys have no respect or empathy for the girls.
I don't try to get girls to do things they don't like doing. I hardly ever take anal except occasionally when a girl specifically offered it which doesn't happen much.
Some girls are ok with getting a bit of publicity to increase their business.
Paul Kausch
07-17-14, 03:38
This is one of the reasons I am very reluctant to post names and uncensored images of my girls.Natty, this is, to use an expression from my youth, a heavy post man.
Here are my initial thoughts.
You make an excellent point about the photos. Generally, I don't post photos to titillate. I post them to illustrate. You'll notice with the exception of Pen, who gave me explicit permission, I have not and will not post any nude photos of the girls I was with on this trip. Kate's photos on the Bamboo website are far more explicit than mine. My photos allow guys to see how closely she resembles her website photos. Last December I also got Aor's permission to post her photos on ISG. In fact she wanted me to post them. "Good for business," she said. Some of these girls are familiar with ISG and want the exposure.
I think the detailed descriptions of my sex with Aor, and Mojie on this trip, are more likely to produce the reaction you are worried about. Maybe I should have toned down those reports. So if I had written Aor is a-level, really gets into toys and loves a really long and vigorous fuck would that really convey less information? Should I just have written that I enjoyed having sex with her and would like to see her again? I could have written the same thing about Fiona in December, but Fiona and Aor were two totally different sexual and interpersonal experiences. Isn't it good to explain what each lady is like?
So what should we put in a report? I went to Spanky's. Bar fined a girl. Fucked her. She was great. Here is a picture with her face blurred. I won't tell you her name and number unless you are or can fool me into thinking you are a nice guy.
I knew a really nice guy years ago. One of the nicest guys I've ever met. The last time I saw him was from the witness stand in a Federal Courthouse where I helped get him sentenced to a 100-plus-year term. He was a small time Bernie Madoff who fleeced about US $25 million out of a bunch of people. I was not one of them. I was seeking money for a project from the "fund" he managed. I did have very detailed notes from all my conversations with him, which the FBI enjoyed reading. I've gotten to know a couple of forum members in person, and now know them well enough to be confident they are good guys. I think you're a good guy. We've never met in person or done any mongering together. You could be a sadist sexual predator. How am I to know?
I think some ladies provide consistently good service. Others do not. Some are good for a GFE. Others for a PSE. Aren't these good things to know? Some guys have a poor experience with a great lady because they treat her poorly. Some ladies give certain guys better service because the ladies know that certain guys genuinely like them and succeed in making the experience fun for both parties. Sometimes I can tell from the tone of the report which category some guys fall into. I find that good to know.
I am about to write a couple more posts of women whose names I either don't remember or was never able to pronounce in the first place. I also have a couple of posts about escorts that will be descriptive but sexually very tame. The last report I was going to write could be another matter. It could be the grand finale with lot's of fireworks and blaring horns. Or I could write an R-rated version of the events. Perhaps I will.
I think I have more questions than answers. I have to think about this. I'm interested in reading other guys thoughts.
Natty, thanks for a very thoughtful post.
Paul Kausch
07-17-14, 03:54
Can you guys give some of the horrors prostitutes go through. As a good person I just can't conceive guys mis-treating the girls. Even though I'm sure it happens. Hence a main reason if a girl can get away with it she won't suck farang cock.
I just can't get girls to tell me about the darkside of their jobs- not that having sex with strangers is bad enough.It's pretty simple. Some guys are emotionally disturbed and like to hurt women, physically, or psychologically, or both. These men often prey on prostitutes because they are more vulnerable. There are lot's of things these men can do to hurt the women. If you like to read about that stuff, there is plenty of sado-masochistic literature around.
Does it really surprise you they are reluctant to tell you about their worst experiences?
If you like to listen to a woman tell you about how she's been abused, there are chatlines where you can pay woman to tell you these kinds of stories.
If your question is sincere, I apologize if I have offended you.
I think I have more questions than answers. I have to think about this. I'm interested in reading other guys thoughts.
Natty, thanks for a very thoughtful post.What is the point of using code in a forum like this? If you want to protect privacy, don't post. Without names and establishments it becomes Penthouse Letters.
The same thing applies to a girl like #24 who now is no longer available. I hope #24 is happy and living the good life.Rightly or wrongly, No. 24 did not mind a bit of good publicity. However there was a psycho guy who came on the board who was trying to get her all to himself and she did not like this guy. Girls want to be popular and have many customers. The problem can be avoiding the bad ones. Its tougher for MP girls to avoid customers.
First time I took ND, she performed badly. No chemistry going. Months later, she decided she liked me. Her attitude had changed dramatically. She admitted she had been unduly influenced by bar gossip about me. Sometimes girls in the bar like to go with a customer, but tell tales of how fearsome the customer is, to put the other girls off. Particularly applicable for a customer like me known to take several different girls. The girls try to get a bigger share.
Some girls can be a starfish for one customer and excellent for another, depending on the chemistry and the girl's assessment is customer nice or not. Knot at SW performs great for me, and always keen to go, but others have said she was a write-off and no fun. A scared girl does not perform well, usually.
What is the point of using code in a forum like this? If you want to protect privacy, don't post. Without names and establishments it becomes Penthouse Letters.I would think if someone is going to treat a woman bad, they don't need to be directed to her, that is to say. It doesn't mean they found the person from this forum. It is unfortunate that any one would abuse the women, but there are a lot of crazies out there. My goal is to use the forum to go to the fun places and select someone I feel good about and want to spend some time with.
What am I missing. Crazy House girls are in no way better than any other establishment. Their drink prices, on the other hand are great.Really? I thought the girls there were of a much higher quality than elsewhere when I was there a few weeks ago. The price of their drinks (150 baht) was much higher than elsewhere. I usually drink in Afterskool as they seem to have the cheapest beer in Soi Cowboy, excluding the early happy hours which I usually miss.
Paul Kausch
07-17-14, 04:54
What is the point of using code in a forum like this? If you want to protect privacy, don't post. Without names and establishments it becomes Penthouse Letters.I hear ya.
But what about explicit descriptions of the details. When I have a particularly great time with a lady I write a report to titillate the reader and because I have fun writing the report. In addition to being sexy, I want the report to be true and funny at the same time. I enjoy writing about the sex, and I enjoy writing about the truth that is stranger than fiction stuff like the night I won't soon forget that I had with Bo and Cheer. But perhaps I'm just satisfying some voyeuristic need.
I think Natty may be suggesting I should think about whether I should go into such explicit detail. I wrote at least one rather racy report about Aor. One night she told me about what a rough day she had. Rough as in literally rough. I understand after the first of the year Annie's was inundated with requests for her. Then she disappeared. Did my post draw the sickos out of the cesspools they live in and motivate them to descend on Aor? Fed up with too much abuse did she leave the business? I think of myself as one inconsequential monger who has no significant impact on Bangkok's P4P industry. But I'd be less than truthful if I didn't admit that the thought did cross my mind that my report may have had something to do with her disappearing.
As I writing one of my more detailed and graphic reports I think about the reports Dr. BJ used to write about his experiences with particular ladies. I thought they were among the most entertaining, well-written post I have read on ISG. Personally, I don't think those reports we just designed to promote specific ladies. I think he was trying to be informative. He had good experiences with certain ladies and wanted to pass the word along. I think he enjoys writing and enjoys using the written word to entertain.
That's what I'm trying to do. My question is, where should I draw the line?
Really? I thought the girls there were of a much higher quality than elsewhere when I was there a few weeks ago. The price of their drinks (150 baht) was much higher than elsewhere. I usually drink in Afterskool as they seem to have the cheapest beer in Soi Cowboy, excluding the early happy hours which I usually miss.To my taste, Crazy House has a big set of quite pretty girls with very good slim bodies (not all of them). The number of fake noses is low. The sillies are low. Its mostly good natural Thai looks. The drink prices are O.K. for me. A Coke Lite or Soda lasts me a while. I like to watch naked girls on occasions. Barfining these girls is risky. Have not found an exceptional one on the bed, as yet. Some were good enough. The best one to date has gone missing. Suzi Wong is better hunting ground for fun girls on the bed, IMHO. I have collected several good fun girls there.
What is the point of using code in a forum like this? If you want to protect privacy, don't post. Without names and establishments it becomes Penthouse Letters.Some people like to read vague stories, like Penthouse letters or the Kumbu stories for entertainment. I am boring type not interested in entertainment, usually. I did find Nic Frenchy one of most entertaining writers, as he had a subtle humour, not resorting to basic sarcasm/irony. However I am agreeing that without some useful data in posts, at least recommending some place where hot girls can be found, the posts will be of questionable value. Also where to go to find certain types of experiences. Okay Some of us like to argue the state of things too.
Most of us got some valuable tips in the forum at some time, and may try to return the favour for others.
As for Noon or Loon or Goon or whatever the name of the lady I was with goes, she, as is the case with many of the women in Bangkok's gogos, has an hourglass figure using this classification system. She is probably naturally a pear, with a genetic predisposition to have well-developed leg muscles, but the augmented breasts give her an hourglass shape.
My impression was an Apple (top heavy), although the picture is a little exaggerated. I tend to go for slim side of hourglass to slim side of pear shaped. Apple and Banana is quickly ruled out.
I am very interested in measurement data LOL. The two key measures for me are waist to thigh ratio, which should range between 0. 6 to 0. 7 (ideal) for an hourglass shape. Anything less than 0. 6 starts to look crazy, and over 0. 8 is heading into the Banana or Apple range.
The 2nd measure is the gap between the upper thighs in cm. When girls stands straight normally. This gap helps make the ass look more sexy, as does an even slope, increase in width, from the waist to the thigh. As soon as a girl has no gap and upper thighs bang together, I consider she has fat thighs (upper legs). Very skinny girls tend to have very large gap which can be too much. 2 to 3 cm. Is good for me.
When a girl has fat hips, the curve line from waist to thigh gets very warped in shape. Sometimes the shape can be different due to very wide hip bones (this usually does not appeal to my eye). I like girls to have medium big rounded Glutes but without flab, and with very nice gap underneath to accentuate the check curves.
For tits I like beautifully shaped tits and size does not matter much, except do not like very narrow breasts (prefer pancakes). For face I like big eyes, big lips, small nose with upturned tip, narrow face with maybe even slightly pointy chin.
The most wow value hourglass in SW is Anne without a doubt (excluding any recent newbies), who is lucky to be a bit tall as well. "Em" is pretty good for body. Noi used to be super in waist to ass, but gone downhill after baby. I take exclusively girls with great asses, good gap, and good waist to thigh ratio. Should have pretty face (not too broad) as well. If the ass and face don't pass, then the girl has no chance. Maybe I could relax the ass requirement if I like the face enough. Praow in DollH has great face and great tits, great waist. Ass slightly puffy/saggy can be forgiven. Gap could be better.
No girl has everything perfect. Even the 10 point body in Crazy House, I had down rate the face to only an 8 to 9. LOL.
P.S. Goon is an unusual name but there is one at Dr. BJ.
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P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls.
I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened.
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Paul Kausch
07-17-14, 15:10
My impression was an Apple (top heavy)
. I tend to go for slim side of hourglass to slim side of pear shaped. Apple and Banana is quickly ruled out.
I am very interested in measurement data LOL. The two key measures for me are waist to thigh ratio, which should range between 0. 6 to 0. 7 (ideal) for an hourglass shape. Anything less than 0. 6 starts to look crazy, and over 0. 8 is heading into the Banana or Apple range.
The 2nd measure is the gap between the upper thighs in cm. When girls stands straight normally. This gap helps make the ass look more sexy, as does an even slope, increase in width, from the waist to the thigh. As soon as a girl has no gap and upper thighs bang together, I consider she has fat thighs (upper legs). Very skinny girls tend to have very large gap which can be too much. 2 to 3 cm. Is good for me.
When a girl has fat hips, the curve line from waist to thigh gets very warped in shape. Sometimes the shape can be different due to very wide hip bones (this usually does not appeal to my eye). I like girls to have medium big rounded Glutes but without flab, and with very nice gap underneath to accentuate the check curves.
For tits I like beautifully shaped tits and size does not matter much, except do not like very narrow breasts (prefer pancakes). For face I like big eyes, big lips, small nose with upturned tip, narrow face with maybe even slightly pointy chin.
No girl has everything perfect. Even the 10 point body in Crazy House, I had down rate the face to only an 8 to 9. LOL.
P.S. Goon is an unusual name but there is one at Dr. BJ.Syzygies, you do have good taste in women. Like you I really get turned on by a lady with a nice gap between her legs at the very upper inside her thighs, especially when she's viewed from the back.
As I've gotten older I've become less picky. This makes it easier to find a suitable fuck-buddy. I great face with an average body or vice versa is okay. Medium size, natural and shapely breasts are my ideal. Pancake breasts are also nice. I like woman with athletic looking legs and gluts. Over-sized saggy breasts, rolls of fat, cellulite and scars are a turn off for me. Sometimes I will have an instant reaction to a lady that is not particularly special. Kate is an example. I liked her tall, skinny body; I thought her face was kinda cute. She has a sweet smile, but she's nothing special looks wise. Still, I had a tremendous urge to fuck her as soon as I saw her. I will respond to other rather average looking women this way. More than a decade ago now, a biologist buddy claimed it is probably a reaction to a specific woman's pheromones. He claimed the then current theory was it tended to be a mutual reaction and it was our bodies signalling each other that we have complimentary autoimmune systems and will produce healthy babies. I'm sure much more is known about pheromones and interpersonal attraction by now.
The four category classification system is an obvious oversimplification. There are so many, facets to the human body that can take so many shapes. How can you neatly fit every woman into one of the four categories? And as my very short summary touched on, woman with different basic shapes add body fat to different part of the body. It is also known that woman with certain body shapes are more prone to certain diseases; where they add fat being an important predictor.
Thanks for the post. Understanding a guys tastes makes it easier to evaluate his reports on the ladies.
Paul Kausch
07-17-14, 15:46
To be blunt. Those who identify prostitutes by name, number and where they work with attached photo-nude or non-nude is low class person.
If they are good they don't need help in getting customers-so stop thinking you are helping them.
Only way in which it would be acceptable if man put his ugly face in too. Furthermore informing the forum that girl particaipates in unprotected sex is horrible.
P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls.
I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened.Thank you for sharing your opinions. I share your attitude about unprotected sex. Beyond that it appears you have very little sexual experience with a small number of women.
As Syzygies mentioned in a recent post, to the contrary, some of these women want photos and their escapades in the forum. They know about ISG and realize it is a good way to attract more customers. Why do you think the MP and escort websites put sexy photos and descriptions of each ladies' services in their websites?
Everything I put in my posts happens. My time with Mojie was not the wildest sexual experience I've had in the past few years, nor was it my wildest experience on this trip. That will be in my last post. My partner in crime, who is also a 60+ year old buzzard may wish to chime in after my post. He told me he would let me write the initial post. Some of us old buzzards are fit enough (I can run circles around most guys half my age), smart enough, successful enough and have enough self-confidence that many young women are attracted to us. In the case of the pros having, the means to pay them well is no doubt another factor. ;)
I may take something that is not funny at the time, such as my prostate gland infection, and try to turn it into something funny, but everything I mentioned in that, and all my posts, happened. I've had several real girl friends who enjoyed having men cum in their mouths. I've been with groups of ladies, all nonpros and all married, as they discussed how much they enjoyed giving blow jobs to their husbands. Many women don't find the taste of cum the least bit unpleasant and enjoy the feeling of men's penises in their mouths as the men build to the point of an orgasm and then spray warm cum into their mouths. They also like the feeling of warm cum on their faces. Many woman watch porn flicks to see how the pros do it and then try to copy them. It was obvious that was what Mojie was doing, as I tried to convey in my post. I had a partner for years with whom I used to watch porn as a prelude to sex. This is back in the very early 80's. One day she rented some anal videos. At one point while we were fucking she asked me to carefully put my cock in her ass. It hurt so we stopped. Later we tried it successfully. She discovered she really enjoyed anal. I've been around MP girls as they discussed a-level. Some of the ladies didn't do it and some did. Among those who did, some didn't mind it but didn't particularly enjoy it. Others said they really liked it and sometimes preferred it to vaginal sex. One of the ladies said. "It depends on how you're wired. " They all agreed.
As I got older and had more experience with more woman I was surprised to discover that many are far more sexually adventurous than I ever imaged. Over the years I've heard more women complain about their sexually boring husbands and boyfriends than complain they are too adventurous.
Of course there are woman with low libido and asexual woman. I'm sure they do not share these attitudes and behaviors.
Paul Kausch
07-17-14, 15:58
Thank you enforcing the forums guidelines; however, as the target of Custard's attack I would like to mention I feel he is entitled to his opinions and is not going to change my forum posts. He has so much to learn. This is one way to do it. Still, I understand the reasoning behind the forum's policy.
Syzygies, you do have good taste in women. Like you I really get turned on by a lady with a nice gap between her legs at the very upper inside her thighs, especially when she's viewed from the back.
As I've gotten older I've become less picky. This makes it easier to find a suitable fuck-buddy.Unfortunately I am the reverse. I have got more picky over time. When I came to Thailand at age 35, almost 50% of the girls were gorgeous. LOL I really cringe now looking back at some pics. Of bargirls I took for the night back then. E. g. How could I have taken a girl with such a broad nose, even if was just 400 Baht?
I was probably just looking for a girl who would be fun and a far better fuck than my ex-wife. LOL.
Others claim that the standard of bar girls has gone down a lot. Looking at some Crazy House girls, I seriously doubt that it has gone down much although many great looking girls are now doing Coyote in Cowboy instead of being plain gogo girls. I think the truth is that most guys got more picky as they got older.
Sometimes I wish I could just consider a girl's character and willingness to have fun, rather than having so many looks requirements. Of course if can get both, its jackpot time. Unfortunately I admit the truth for myself. A fabulous looking girl with just a moderate performance is turning me on more than a mediocre looking girl with a super performance.
Some of the very famous mediocre looking PSE girls are just not exciting me. The problem is mine. I have to kick myself for not getting the phone number of the 10 pointer girl at Crazy House. I think of her a lot, even though bed performance was just above average. The feel of the pussy was perfection though. To me, she is still a dream girl. Its my brain sickness.
My memory of my first ever soapy girl in Thailand 31 years ago, was that she was slim, expert real masseuse, very pretty and naked, and we could not communicate as she had no English whatsoever. I have no idea what sex cost. Maybe 100 to 150 Baht. I was hesitant to fuck girls as scared of catching VD, and had no condoms as arrived accidentally unprepared (probably soapy girls didn't use condoms 30 years ago. I am not sure). Maybe if I had a pic, I would realise she was not that stunning by my taste of today. The Soapy place was in a Soi of Sukhumvit, set back from the road, close to the Tabaco monopoly, but was not Annies (nor Darling). It had a tiered fishbowl. In the modern day it seems impossible to find out what this place was even called. May have been in Soi 2 or maybe not. No history exists on the Internet. I probably need to chat with the Matriarch "Annie" (Aey's mother I guess) herself, and ask her what this Soapy place would have been called.
P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls.
I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened.
You are dead wrong. What a Thai girl is willing to do varies tremendously. It so happens I am not interesting in degrading porn movie activities, but there are definitely girls doing pornstar for a living, and there are plenty of customers for it. I accept that. Its just not my thing.
I wish I had the imagination to make up exciting stories. However we usually find its far easier to stick to things that really happened (at least from our own view point). Truth is sometimes funnier than fiction.
Obviously points of view differ greatly. One guys fabulous porn star girl is a totally uninteresting girl for me.
Sure there are writers of total shit and psychedelic dreams. However these can be caught out easily quite often, with parts that are just factually obviously wrong, or containing no factual information whatsoever.
The purpose of the forum is share tips for meeting great girls for sex in great places. Without any factual data concerning how to find the particular girls or places, the writings become useless. That is why girl names, appearance gets mentioned. Its also not useful to say some girl is great unless there is enough detail to understand the way in which she is great, to some guy, so that others may recognise that they have a totally different taste, emphasis, and requirements. Advice on girls is supposed to help find particular types of girls that are known to be very capable in some specialty. I am wary about posting pics of girls unless identity is hidden, or they are fine with it, or their faces are already on web sites. I would ask myself "is she going to be badly upset by this pic".
I usually don't specify girls' badge numbers, for several reasons. I don't want to spoon feed the lazy readers too much, and I don't remember most numbers anyway.
You just can't expect to put all people in the same box. Variation is massive.
The forum is not really suited for guys who want to be "high class" mysterious. Its more intended to practical information. However I always try to push for readers to treat the girls well and with some respect, hoping that girls will provide a great pleasure service to us.
In Thailand, 60 year olds are not prohibited from having just as much fun or more than young hansom guys. Just pay the money, and don't waste valuable time trying to get it for free. Life is too short. I might be oldish now, but my sex skills are far better than when I was 20 through to 35. Not sure what you have against 60 year olds. They don't have to be too decrepid. Can even be fit in some cases. 60 year olds may have more money than the tight young guys. Also older guys are less "up themselves". Plenty of Thai working girls are liking old guys as customers. Even 80 year olds can have good sex (possibly with vitamin V assist).
Positive reports on the forum are more valued than negativity. Try to report something potentially useful.
Paul Kausch
07-17-14, 17:06
The purpose of the forum is share tips for meeting great girls for sex in great places. Without any factual data concerning how to find the particular girls or places, the writings become useless. That is why girl names, appearance gets mentioned. Its also not useful to say some girl is great unless there is enough detail to understand the way in which she is great, to some guy, so that others may recognise that they have a totally different taste, emphasis, and requirements. Advice on girls is supposed to help find particular types of girls that are known to be very capable in some specialty. I am wary about posting pics of girls unless identity is hidden, or they are fine with it, or their faces are already on web sites. I would ask myself "is she going to be badly upset by this pic".All good points. I also think the forum is a good place to learn how the P4P industry works in Bangkok. I put information in some of my posts that I know guys like you who know more than me probably find boring, but I remember when I was new to the game. It is nice to understand what transpires from the time you walk through the door until you leave. In a little while I'm going to post my first of two reports about Nataree. I deliberately take the time to explain the routine there and convey what the ladies I was with there are like, particularly in contrast to a Snow White lady.
Traveler1234
07-17-14, 17:43
P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls.
I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened.
Total of 6 posts and you've made the top ten for idiots. Great start bro!
And that 60+yr old buzzard has a harem of girls that you could only wish for.....:D
Thank you for sharing your opinions. I share your attitude about unprotected sex. Beyond that it appears you have very little sexual experience with a small number of women.
As Syzygies mentioned in a recent post, to the contrary, some of these women want photos and their escapades in the forum. They know about ISG and realize it is a good way to attract more customers. Why do you think the MP and escort websites put sexy photos and descriptions of each ladies' services in their websites?
Everything I put in my posts happens. My time with Mojie was not the wildest sexual experience I've had in the past few years, nor was it my wildest experience on this trip. That will be in my last post. My partner in crime, who is also a 60+ year old buzzard may wish to chime in after my post. He told me he would let me write the initial post. Some of us old buzzards are fit enough (I can run circles around most guys half my age), smart enough, successful enough and have enough self-confidence that many young women are attracted to us. In the case of the pros having, the means to pay them well is no doubt another factor. ;)
I may take something that is not funny at the time, such as my prostate gland infection, and try to turn it into something funny, but everything I mentioned in that, and all my posts, happened. I've had several real girl friends who enjoyed having men cum in their mouths. I've been with groups of ladies, all nonpros and all married, as they discussed how much they enjoyed giving blow jobs to their husbands. Many women don't find the taste of cum the least bit unpleasant and enjoy the feeling of men's penises in their mouths as the men build to the point of an orgasm and then spray warm cum into their mouths. They also like the feeling of warm cum on their faces. Many woman watch porn flicks to see how the pros do it and then try to copy them. It was obvious that was what Mojie was doing, as I tried to convey in my post. I had a partner for years with whom I used to watch porn as a prelude to sex. This is back in the very early 80's. One day she rented some anal videos. At one point while we were fucking she asked me to carefully put my cock in her ass. It hurt so we stopped. Later we tried it successfully. She discovered she really enjoyed anal. I've been around MP girls as they discussed a-level. Some of the ladies didn't do it and some did. Among those who did, some didn't mind it but didn't particularly enjoy it. Others said they really liked it and sometimes preferred it to vaginal sex. One of the ladies said. "It depends on how you're wired. " They all agreed.
As I got older and had more experience with more woman I was surprised to discover that many are far more sexually adventurous than I ever imaged. Over the years I've heard more women complain about their sexually boring husbands and boyfriends than complain they are too adventurous.
Of course there are woman with low libido and asexual woman. I'm sure they do not share these attitudes and behaviors.Haha Paul, well said. I think us old buzzards are still doing pretty well and having had the chance of mutual experience know how active you are. I also don't take offense at Custards comments. When I was 40 years younger I was also an arrogant little shit and could never understand how some young hot smoking girls would prefer a silver fox over me who considered himself a hot stud. If I only would have had the experience then which I have amassed over the years. Luckily it must have been my innocence and limited experience that made me endearing to some real cougars who showed me the that older women have the same thing about young men as we have about young ladies. These most of the time rich wives gave me more sexual education than any working girl. The only downside was that I had to jump more than once out of a window or over the backyard fence when the old man unexpectedly came home.
Wolvenvacht
07-17-14, 18:23
I think us old buzzards are still doing pretty well and having had the chance of mutual experience know how active you are.The attraction of older but sexually still active gentlemen is probably genetically wired into her genes. It is an evolutionary advantage: being old but healthy, reasonably well off and still able to sire children pushes all the right buttons deep inside the women's most basic and primitive brain functions. Such genes are a definite worth "capturing" for her own off-spring.
It is the mirror image of men's desire to bang young healthy women.
Paul Kausch
07-17-14, 19:16
Haha Paul, well said. I think us old buzzards are still doing pretty well and having had the chance of mutual experience know how active you are.
The attraction of older but sexually still active gentlemen is probably genetically wired into her genes.I will say, so far my sixties is my favorite decade.
The attraction of older but sexually still active gentlemen is probably genetically wired into her genes. It is an evolutionary advantage: being old but healthy, reasonably well off and still able to sire children pushes all the right buttons deep inside the women's most basic and primitive brain functions. Such genes are a definite worth "capturing" for her own off-spring.
It is the mirror image of men's desire to bang young healthy women.It seems that PI girls take that to the next level, & quite a bit more seriously, than TGs:
It is true that Filipinas hate condoms and love raw nasty sex. Guys who arrive in the Philippines with sincere intentions to use condoms in each and every sexual encounter eventually find their resolve weakened if not crushed. Filipinas will beg, whine and plead for some good old fashioned raw sausage complete with an injection of cream filling. Foreigners are perplexed by this seemingly blas attitude Filipinas have to being impregnated by complete strangers during casual sexual encounters. Unlike Western women who choose their impregnator based on his ability to pay a sizeable amount of child support for two decades, Filipinas choose the father of their children based on genetics. Desirable traits like intelligence, a long snout, eye color, height, a huge penis, etc. Can result in Filipina begging for your sperms.
"Give me baby" is a request heard regularly by foreigners visiting or residing in the Philippines.Continued at the above reference.
FruitNinja
07-17-14, 22:08
She was unusual in many ways. Too bad too many assholes thought a pretty young lady who just loved wild uninhibited sex gave them a license to abuse her. After a few overnight sessions she got to know me well enough to feel comfortable describing what some of her days were like. Wherever she is and whatever she is doing I wish her the best.Ditto Paul. One of my fondest memories was having lunch with her on the tables in front of Annie's. I remember the first time I met her. I gave her the best massage one could possibly get. A real massage. She was dumbfounded but she reciprocated very nicely and we became friends of sorts. We kept in touch over one of the chat apps for a long time. Then she just dropped of the grid. I hope that she is well.
I would think if someone is going to treat a woman bad, they don't need to be directed to her, that is to say. It doesn't mean they found the person from this forum. It is unfortunate that any one would abuse the women, but there are a lot of crazies out there. My goal is to use the forum to go to the fun places and select someone I feel good about and want to spend some time with.Where did you get the idea that men are finding women from this forum and treating them badly?
That's what I'm trying to do. My question is, where should I draw the line?You are doing a good jib. Carry on just like this.
Where did you get the idea that men are finding women from this forum and treating them badly?I was reading this thread a day or 2 ago. Maybe I misunderstood. But basically it just related to sme guys who give some girls a hard time and be disrespectful.
P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls. I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happenedPerhaps you need a little more experience in the scene. One of the reasons I chose to make BKK my home back in '99 when I was a young mid-30's dude was the fact that the older guys still got great looking gals.
Truth be told as we age we get a little wiser in more than one way. We realize that we will never really "know" women, but in turn we learn a bit about how to treat them and how to handle their volatility.
"I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it".
That sounds like a very non-Western attitude. I have had plenty of hot gals here who love intense dirty sex. I think one thing that differs between Western dudes and Non-Western dudes when it comes to P4 P is we tend to want the gal to have a good time and we will do whatever it takes to turn her on. Eat that snatch, lick that asshole, DFK, break out the vibrator, etc. We will try to give then a BFE or a PSE as well. It is not simply about service from her to us. Why? Well, if she is turned on we have a much better time and she is far more likely to let go and it makes for a mutually good experience, which used to be the norm in gogo bars until the vast number of non-western dudes started showing up. In 99 there were a few gogo bars that had some Japanese guys but for the most part they went to Thaniya. Gogo gals catered to Western tastes. Now the mix is far more multi-cultural for better or worse and service is not the same. Most Asian guys I know want their P4 P to be far more passive. It is simply business. They are more likely to lay back and get "serviced" as opposed to wanting to have a GFE or PSE. For them it is about saying, "Hey, I was with that pretty girl. " Far more about the aesthetic than the performance. For the provider that does not like sex, this is far easier, so you cater to Asian customers.
If you are not finding hot girls that will have fun then perhaps you are taking the wrong girls or you need to work on your interview process bit. Best of luck to you.
So yes, the "60+ year old buzzard" just might be having more fun than you are. And BTW, you will be 60 soon enough if you are fortunate.
Where did you get the idea that men are finding women from this forum and treating them badly?The bad customers are going to play somewhere, regardless. Some girls are going to experience them.
The bad customers can find out about the PSE shops. Its better they go there than take less experienced girls from elsewhere. Girls in PSE shops are expecting a certain percentage of psychos / sadists etc. , and even guys who don't want to pay, which is why all in prices are becoming prevalent.
I don't think the forum will have much effect on the personality of bad guys.
Mojies a sweet girl. Someone teach her about STD"s.
Crazy house has about 20 to 25% fake noses. I counted 7 girls with fakes today. However only 1 girl with silicone tits today. These numbers are miles behind Baccara and Sharks. That is why I greatly prefer Crazy House. The looks are far superior.
Called in at Suzi Wong. The slightly famous top heavy Noon was not there. There is a rumour her major Farang Boyfriend is in town. So I could not recheck if there was any semblence of an hour glass or not. However was generally agreed her waist is not small. The lineup was not that special with too many thick girls. Sisters Em and Knot are not bad though. ND had several regular customers to choose from. Its generally agreed she has the best body in the place. Actually best face as well. Anne, Bo and Yao were missing. Dtom present. Noi present.
Paul Kausch
07-18-14, 18:04
Called in at Suzi Wong. The slightly famous top heavy Noon was not there. There is a rumour her major Farang Boyfriend is in town. So I could not recheck if there was any semblence of an hour glass or not. However was generally agreed her waist is not small.There are what are called measured operational definitions for the four body types. Take her measurements and see which of the four types she best fits. Want to take a bet which one it is? ;)
FYI, I liked Suzy Wong. Glad you write about it so much. :)
The attraction of older but sexually still active gentlemen is probably genetically wired into her genes. It is an evolutionary advantage: being old but healthy, reasonably well off and still able to sire children pushes all the right buttons deep inside the women's most basic and primitive brain functions. Such genes are a definite worth "capturing" for her own off-spring.
It is the mirror image of men's desire to bang young healthy women.Very fine thoughts. Writing as a Canadian with grandchildren who spends most of the year in Colombia, Cuba, and Thailand, it was great to read your words. Those 3 cultures have great respect for older persons, a far cry from Canadian and other western cultures, and I think that also makes for young chica and older gringo or older man of their country desirable for the chica and very acceptable in their countries.
Respecting senoir citizens doesn't mean girls are hot for them. Will you guys stop kidding yourselves. Its disgusting. Go to a Tata concert you don't see age inappropriate cupples anywhere.
Stickdude says senoirs are the ones demanding un-protected sex. Is ithat true? Makes sense to me.
There are what are called measured operational definitions for the four body types. Take her measurements and see which of the four types she best fits. Want to take a bet which one it is? ;)
Well I see things differently to you Paul. You are clearly top oriented as you did not mention the ass in some of your descriptions. To me the ass is all important.
It all relative to me. Would be very interesting to measure waist thigh and tits and see which girls have best waist to thigh ratio, and best gaps, but its a bit hard to go in there with a tape measure. I guess would have to offer a drink or tip to each one willing to be measured. LOL.
There is little doubt Noon will have a big tit measurement. Waist will be large compared to ND and other girls I like (several more Kgs. in weight). Tall Anne with win for most extreme hour glass ratios, small waist with big thigh and big tits, little doubt. Some skinny girls like Bo and Dtom have very good waist to thigh ratios, but almost no tits. Knot has great waist and thigh, but small tits.
If its waist to thigh ratio competition, a lot of girls will be lower than Noon, but this is probably not the measure your mind focuses on, as we have different orientation altogether. I fear that the classic definitions of apple, banana, etc. are oriented to fat western girls rather than Thais, and therefore may be very lenient in qualification for hour-glass. I would generally be happy with any girl with ratio 0.6 to 0.7. Ratio 0.8 is getting towards too straight bodied for my liking, and higher than 0.8 is really poor. There is little doubt it is not just the ratio that matters to me. The absolute size matters too. I prefer small waist rather than large. So a large waist with massive thigh in a good ratio will not do it for me. Doubtless there would be no gap at all in this case.
Anyway its good not every guy likes the skinnies like me, and are willing to take more robust looking builds, even with big half coconut sillies added, and broader faces appeal to other guys too. Means girls that have no chance with me have a strong chance with other guys.
It usually happens to me, unfortunately, that the girl I like most is also the very most popular girl in the shop, but not always.
At Annies I liked the tall model figure of #24 (even if her tummy started to get a little flab) without the sillies but stunning ass. She did get too popular. Too many guys I think wanted to pay a low amount and think they had a license to screw all night. That is why at one point she was not available for long outcall any more (but was still available to good customers after a certain time). She probably would have been better off as a bargirl where could choose her customers, and demand higher money. I do believe the best quality girls are better off as bargirls as they can get similar money without screwing as many times.
Crazy4Thai
07-19-14, 08:09
Perhaps you need a little more experience in the scene.
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If you are not finding hot girls that will have fun then perhaps you are taking the wrong girls or you need to work on your interview process bit. Best of luck to you.
So yes, the "60+ year old buzzard" just might be having more fun than you are. And BTW, you will be 60 soon enough if you are fortunate.Doesn't this CusTurd remind you of the infamous Harold444 from days gone by who did the same criticizing troll? Here I was, not believing in ghosts, but he will just NOT go away. We need an exorcist. Harold, how many handles have you had on here anyway? Lost track no doubt.
Well I see things differently to you Paul. You are clearly top oriented as you did not mention the ass in some of your descriptions.
It usually happens to me, unfortunately, that the girl I like most is also the very most popular girl in the shop, but not always.
At Annies I liked the tall model figure of #24 (even if her tummy started to get a little flab) without the sillies but stunning ass. She did get too popular. Too many guys I think wanted to pay a low amount and think they had a license to screw all night. That is why at one point she was not available for long outcall any more (but was still available to good customers after a certain time). She probably would have been better off as a bargirl where could choose her customers, and demand higher money. I do believe the best quality girls are better off as bargirls as they can get similar money without screwing as many times.I don't think ISG plays a huge role on the popularity but at some point it does.
Especially with the lurker only, those reading and not familiar with a place will go there and will take the one they read about, rather than form their own choice. Of course one has to start from somewhere and rather than shooting in the dark you chose one you have been hearing of.
Western787
07-19-14, 10:51
Doesn't this CusTurd remind you of the infamous Harold444 from days gone by who did the same criticizing troll? Here I was, not believing in ghosts, but he will just NOT go away. We need an exorcist. Harold, how many handles have you had on here anyway? Lost track no doubt.Good observation. It has to be Harold444.
Custard recent posts include these classic-Harold444 style posts:
From 7-15-14 "Undoubtly a Superstar. I bet she gets over a 1000 dicks a year-easily. Perhaps income of over $75,000 a year- do the math if you doubt me. She has to get at least 3 customers a day.
Don't know how she does it but is very bubbly at all times. ".
From 7-17-14 " The reason you have all the NCP girls all to yourself is they ain't that hot. Just average and below. A hottie doesn't need to down to 700 baht. Only reason is she ain't that hot to begin with.
His posts fit a certain profile"
1. constant insults of older mongers.
2 always talks about "Superstar" Go Go girls which he fawns over versus non hotties - whom he relentlessly insults.
3.. often mentions Rainbow clubs.
4.. poor spelling, many Admin deletions or edits, with handles only recently created.
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