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Somewhere15
10-21-14, 16:53
I am not impressed with Thermae and Biere garten. Both peak in the last evening and still have hopeless quality.
I am wondering if there is any point in visiting Gullivers during afternoon around 2/3 pm for freelancers?
Or is the quality same as in Biere Garten?
And I guess that's about it for freelancers during day time or am I missing some other venue?Around 2/3 pm you will not find many girls in Guillivers.
Visit Guilliver between 17:00 and 21:00 and you can score for sure. Some girls come with a (female) friend and have some food there. If you can connect with them you will be surprised what is possible. Enjoy.
Personally I like Guillivers much more then Beergarden.
I've read about street walkers in other locations than the Sukhumvit area somewhere in this Bangkok thread but I can't seem to find it back. Can anybody help me out? I believe it was in China Town or in the vicinity of some MRT or BTS station, I'm not sure.
I want to broaden my horizon next time I'm in Bangkok.
ActionOriented
10-22-14, 11:59
I've read about street walkers in other locations than the Sukhumvit area somewhere in this Bangkok thread but I can't seem to find it back. Can anybody help me out? I believe it was in China Town or in the vicinity of some MRT or BTS station, I'm not sure.
I want to broaden my horizon next time I'm in Bangkok.Was the place called Thanon Phet Uthai? May be this can help - http://www.bangkokredeye.com/thai-freelancers.html.
I am wondering if there is any point in visiting Gullivers during afternoon around 2/3 pm for freelancers?
Or is the quality same as in Beer Garten?
And I guess that's about it for freelancers during day time or am I missing some other venue?At that time of day the clear hotties will be snapped up quickly.
There will be more ladies at Beergarten in the afternoon. I like to have a drink outside at one of the venue's on Soi 7 and watch them come and go. This allows for a better look at their bodies, and for me makes it easier to pick a winner rather than the dark noisy sea of ladies inside the bar. Follow her into the bar and be the first to approach her. This method requires patience.
The open air bars along Soi 4 near the Nana Hotel will aways have some FL's during the day, but it is not peak time and generally hit or miss.
SL.
Crocodilexp
10-22-14, 16:04
I've read about street walkers in other locations than the Sukhumvit area somewhere in this Bangkok thread but I can't seem to find it back. Can anybody help me out? I believe it was in China Town or in the vicinity of some MRT or BTS station, I'm not sure. In Chinatown, streetwalkers are on streets and alleyways around Wong Wian 22 (yee-sip song), then down on to Charoen Krung and Soi Texas (one with the seafood). Look in smaller streets as well. If you go by MRT get out at Hualamphong and walk over the canal. Google map: http://goo.gl/R7wDP0.
Khlong Lot is another streetwalker area, south of Khao San Road. Cross Rachadamnoen Klang (big road parallel to Khao San), and you're there. Some workers on Rachadamnoen Klang itself, and more in the slum south of it (focused around Hotel 39 and another whose name I don't recall), which stretches for several blocks. Starts out OK, then the farther south you go, the more scary it becomes (up to the point of 200 baht grannies and 40 baht no-bahtroom shacks). Google map: http://goo.gl/BqGZW0.
Both areas are distinctively low-end, and oriented almost entirely towards Thais. Costs normally 300-700 baht, plus 70-120 for the short time hotel (depending on quality). Some daytime action as well.
Prices are low, some girls look fine (others scary), and service is generally quite poor (a shower and a starfish quickie, often no BJ), with occasional exceptions. Some years ago, I would strongly recommend against these places, but nowadays service on Sukhumvit is going to shit as well and quality of girls is poor, so given the cheap price, may well try.
The area is not particularly Farang-friendly. Some girls (and even some hotels), may reject you, especially if you don't speak Thai, but most still don't mind your business.
Word of caution. Be extra careful in these areas, and do NOT go there drunk. While you're generally safe just walking around the area, in case of dispute with a girl (over money, service or theft), things can get ugly quickly. This is especially true of Chinatown, I've seen Thai punters smacked around by thugs, and heard of girls stealing (so watch your possessions at all times). Be ready to cut your losses and get out.
It's not for the faint of heart, nothing like the vibe of Sukhumvit or Pattaya, but still fun to look around (perhaps more than to actually go with the girls from there, although at 500 baht / pop, it's hard to go wrong).
Paul Kausch
10-22-14, 17:32
I've read about street walkers in other locations than the Sukhumvit area somewhere in this Bangkok thread but I can't seem to find it back. Can anybody help me out? I believe it was in China Town or in the vicinity of some MRT or BTS station, I'm not sure.
I want to broaden my horizon next time I'm in Bangkok.At one time Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7 next to the RR tracks and west of Asoke was a good place to find FLs. I would not describe them as street walkers. Most of the johns visiting the location were Thai. The best time to go was late. There were many attractive girls there. Supposedly some of them also worked in the soapies. Few Farangs went there but those who did were not unwelcome.
Day time, 10 am-4 pm. Where is a good place to pick up a lady, will be staying near the Asia Hotel.
Day time, 10 am-4 pm. Where is a good place to pick up a lady, will be staying near the Asia Hotel.You could not even be bothered to tell us where it is. None of us would stay in that area. Technically Chao Phraya 3 Soapy is not far away (less than 2 km), but on other side of river. Don't know what time the girls start arriving. Not as early as 10 AM I am sure.
At night maybe can pick cheap street walker ladies around Sanam Luang. During the day? Probably not.
I guess you need to find some suspect massage shops in the area.
At one time Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7 next to the RR tracks and west of Asoke was a good place to find FLs. I would not describe them as street walkers. Most of the johns visiting the location were Thai. The best time to go was late. There were many attractive girls there. Supposedly some of them also worked in the soapies. Few Farangs went there but those who did were not unwelcome.Acually it was East of Asoke, I think (unless they frequented both places - unlikely), just west of Phet Uthai road behind the Siam Hotel not far from La Belle Soapy. Have seen the girls many times when passing in a Taxi. Not sure of current prevalence.
Was the place called Thanon Phet Uthai? May be this can help - http://www.bangkokredeye.com/thai-freelancers.html.Yes I think this was the place. Thanks a lot AO! I will check it out.
In Chinatown, streetwalkers are on streets and alleyways around Wong Wian 22 (yee-sip song), then down on to Charoen Krung and Soi Texas (one with the seafood). Look in smaller streets as well. If you go by MRT get out at Hualamphong and walk over the canal. Google map: http://goo.gl/R7wDP0. SNIP Thanks a lot Crocodilexp!
At one time Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7 next to the RR tracks and west of Asoke was a good place to find FLs. I would not describe them as street walkers. Most of the johns visiting the location were Thai. The best time to go was late. There were many attractive girls there. Supposedly some of them also worked in the soapies. Few Farangs went there but those who did were not unwelcome.
Acually it was East of Asoke, I think (unless they frequented both places - unlikely), just west of Phet Uthai road behind the Siam Hotel not far from La Belle Soapy. Have seen the girls many times when passing in a Taxi. Not sure of current prevalence.Thanks a lot guys. What times are you talking about? How many years ago?
By the way, was ActionOriented talking about the same place? (Thanon Phet Uthai vs Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7)
Thanks a lot guys. What times are you talking about? How many years ago?
By the way, was ActionOriented talking about the same place? (Thanon Phet Uthai vs Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7)The vicinity of the intersection. Yes same place.
Paul Kausch
10-23-14, 17:20
Acually it was East of Asoke, I think (unless they frequented both places - unlikely), just west of Phet Uthai road behind the Siam Hotel not far from La Belle Soapy. Have seen the girls many times when passing in a Taxi. Not sure of current prevalence.I may be turned around 180 degrees. It's been a while since I paid a visit. I got there by taxi. When I described the location, near Asoke next to the RR tracks, the drive immediately knew where I wanted to go.
Paul Kausch
10-23-14, 17:21
Thanks a lot guys. What times are you talking about? How many years ago?
By the way, was ActionOriented talking about the same place? (Thanon Phet Uthai vs Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7)I last went there about 3 years ago.
FruitNinja
10-23-14, 23:56
I'm going to be in SE Asia for about six weeks. For three of those weeks my live in here will be with me. She's a third of my age and loves to fuck. We had one threesome a few weeks ago and she went gaga over going down on another girl. She wants to pick up a girl in Asia and have a threesome. I told her it was impossible unless it was a P4P deal. She's OK with that.
I've taken candy to a candy store before. About four years ago, and the girl I took was bi. We had luck picking up a girl from one of the smaller places in Nana. Name escapes me. But it's on the top floor near the stairway on the right as you walk in. We went to a couple other cubs but it was very hard to find a girl that would do a threesome.
Any suggestions? Pictures from three weeks ago.
I'm going to be in SE Asia for about six weeks. For three of those weeks my live in here will be with me. She's a third of my age and loves to fuck. We had one threesome a few weeks ago and she went gaga over going down on another girl. She wants to pick up a girl in Asia and have a threesome. I told her it was impossible unless it was a P4P deal. She's OK with that.
I've taken candy to a candy store before. About four years ago, and the girl I took was bi. We had luck picking up a girl from one of the smaller places in Nana. Name escapes me. But it's on the top floor near the stairway on the right as you walk in. We went to a couple other cubs but it was very hard to find a girl that would do a threesome.
Any suggestions? Pictures from three weeks ago.The #2 photo is just beautiful.
I'm going to be in SE Asia for about six weeks. For three of those weeks my live in here will be with me. She's a third of my age and loves to fuck. We had one threesome a few weeks ago and she went gaga over going down on another girl. She wants to pick up a girl in Asia and have a threesome. I told her it was impossible unless it was a P4P deal. She's OK with that.Sounds like fun. So let me guess you are 60 and she is 20?
I made my first trip to Bangkok in July, had a great time and had booked a return trip in August for a week. I had even booked non refundable hotels but sadly had to cancel at the last minute.
I was in Asia again for work early this month and on the spur of the moment booked a two day trip to Bangkok. I got in touch with a couple of girls I had met on my last trip but one was away and the other one had her time of the month. So, the search had to start all over again!
I stayed at the Continent Hotel. Very close to the intersection of Asok and Sukhumvit and close to Soi Cowboy. They offered me an upgrade when I reached I a took it for a corner room on a higher floor. It was a great decision because the room was just lovely. Floor to ceiling windows with a stunning view of Bangkok. Highly recommend the hotel.
I reached the hotel at around 9 pm. I was quite tired, after a little rest, showered changed and headed out for dinner. I had dinner at the Thai place right next to the hotel. Wouldn't go back there.
At around 11 pm I headed to Mixx. Last time I had wanted to go there but did not. Although I am not so much into stunning looks and great service is what does it for me but tonight I wanted a beautiful chick with great attitude. Mixx has many non-Thais as well and I was not interested in them. Don't understand why would someone come to Thailand and then look for European girls. I guess to each his own!
As I walked into Mixx I went over to the smoking section to order my drink, have a smoke and see what was on offer. As I was ordering my drink, my eyes just locked with a beautiful Thai woman and who was standing at the other end of the bar having a smoke. I smiled, collected my drink and went upto her to say Hello,. After a few minutes I offered to buy her a drink and in the conversation I asked my usual questions to make sure she would do all I am interested in. She said yes to everything and I offered to take her LT. She said 5 k. I said 4 k but if the service is great then I would give her a good tip, she said deal! Slowly we started making out after a while and I slid my hands under her dress. She wasn't shaven and I expressed a mild disappointment. To which she said, that's no problem, I will shave when we get back. I thought to myself, that's a first, and was quite impressed with her attitude. I was also quite surprised and thrilled at how quickly I had found the girl tonight!
By around midnight we were back at the hotel. There was some making out in the taxi ride back and when at the hotel she wanted to shower alone as she had to shave. I didn't mind that at all. Once we were showered we were in bed my tongue deep in her mouth when she said can you please pay me first.
From the reports that I have read here and my earlier experiences this is big red flag. I told her I don't do that and will only pay her in the morning. I also assured her that she would be paid and there was nothing for her to worry. She agreed and we went back to the deed. But slowly she started pulling tricks out of her hat. As I was down on her (and I love DATY) she insisted on getting a condom and then soon asked if I was done. I tried to ignore it and kept going and soon after I had come she tells me she can't stay till the morning as she needs to go to work. I was totally pissed off by then and I told her to leave right then. I also said I would pay her 2 k and nothing more, which she reluctantly agreed. I pride myself in being able to judge the girls quickly and correctly, but with this one I really did not see this coming. I wonder what it was.
Anyways, it was about 2 am when she left and I was in no mood to sleep alone. So I headed to Climax. The club was closing as I walked in and did not even had to pay the entrance charge. There I found someone who made my night. Will report about her in the next report.
Tony Hoeprano
10-24-14, 20:20
I arrived late last night from the UK. Been traveling for work a lot but finally made it back here. I met this lady at Insanity disco.
She is 32 and very sexy. She has a day job but I made her work extra hard last night.
Nothing has changed here I see. Still many pretty girls who will take care of you.Good to know MR Luvpuss is still around, one of my favorite posters. Did you shoot yer load inside her? And whatever happened to that Harrold555 character?
I made my first trip to Bangkok in July, had a great time and had booked a return trip in August for a week. I had even booked non refundable hotels but sadly had to cancel at the last minute.
I was in Asia again for work early this month and on the spur of the moment booked a two day trip to Bangkok. I got in touch with a couple of girls I had met on my last trip but one was away and the other one had her time of the month. So, the search had to start all over again!
I stayed at the Continent Hotel. Very close to the intersection of Asok and Sukhumvit and close to Soi Cowboy. They offered me an upgrade when I reached I a took it for a corner room on a higher floor. It was a great decision because the room was just lovely. Floor to ceiling windows with a stunning view of Bangkok. Highly recommend the hotel.
I reached the hotel at around 9 pm. I was quite tired, after a little rest, showered changed and headed out for dinner. I had dinner at the Thai place right next to the hotel. Wouldn't go back there.
At around 11 pm I headed to Mixx. Last time I had wanted to go there but did not. Although I am not so much into stunning looks and great service is what does it for me but tonight I wanted a beautiful chick with great attitude. Mixx has many non-Thais as well and I was not interested in them. Don't understand why would someone come to Thailand and then look for European girls. I guess to each his own!
As I walked into Mixx I went over to the smoking section to order my drink, have a smoke and see what was on offer. As I was ordering my drink, my eyes just locked with a beautiful Thai woman and who was standing at the other end of the bar having a smoke. I smiled, collected my drink and went upto her to say Hello,. After a few minutes I offered to buy her a drink and in the conversation I asked my usual questions to make sure she would do all I am interested in. She said yes to everything and I offered to take her LT. She said 5 k. I said 4 k but if the service is great then I would give her a good tip, she said deal! Slowly we started making out after a while and I slid my hands under her dress. She wasn't shaven and I expressed a mild disappointment. To which she said, that's no problem, I will shave when we get back. I thought to myself, that's a first, and was quite impressed with her attitude. I was also quite surprised and thrilled at how quickly I had found the girl tonight!
By around midnight we were back at the hotel. There was some making out in the taxi ride back and when at the hotel she wanted to shower alone as she had to shave. I didn't mind that at all. Once we were showered we were in bed my tongue deep in her mouth when she said can you please pay me first.
From the reports that I have read here and my earlier experiences this is big red flag. I told her I don't do that and will only pay her in the morning. I also assured her that she would be paid and there was nothing for her to worry. She agreed and we went back to the deed. But slowly she started pulling tricks out of her hat. As I was down on her (and I love DATY) she insisted on getting a condom and then soon asked if I was done. I tried to ignore it and kept going and soon after I had come she tells me she can't stay till the morning as she needs to go to work. I was totally pissed off by then and I told her to leave right then. I also said I would pay her 2 k and nothing more, which she reluctantly agreed. I pride myself in being able to judge the girls quickly and correctly, but with this one I really did not see this coming. I wonder what it was.
Anyways, it was about 2 am when she left and I was in no mood to sleep alone. So I headed to Climax. The club was closing as I walked in and did not even had to pay the entrance charge. There I found someone who made my night. Will report about her in the next report.One reason I like going to ST rooms is when a gal pulls something like that, I can get up, get dressed, give her 100 baht for taxi and leave. 2 k is a lot of money for a poor performance. 4 k is a lot of money for any gal, unless she has full on superstar looks, can talk about anything, and has pure PSE performance, including A+ and rimming.
I agree Goatscrot that 2 k was probably too much for the ST and I did feel later on that I should have paid less. My thinking was that we did do the deed so at that stage just paying the taxi money would not have been fair. As regards 4 k LT, she was quite good looking, decent conversation and most girl like that are now asking for that kind of money. In my experience, one could get a FL for less at Climax (there I notice the standard price is around 3 k, for LT). But then their looks aren't that great in general. Streetwalkers are another option but I am not into them. Am I missing something?
One reason I like going to ST rooms is when a gal pulls something like that, I can get up, get dressed, give her 100 baht for taxi and leave. 2 k is a lot of money for a poor performance. 4 k is a lot of money for any gal, unless she has full on superstar looks, can talk about anything, and has pure PSE performance, including A+ and rimming.
I reached Climax when it was closing, around 2 am. The band had stopped playing and I thought it would be really difficult to find a girl in such short time. I walked to the back of the club where they serve drinks scouting for talent but did not see any that I fancied even remotely.
I was walking back to the front considering the possibility of going back to the hotel when I saw this girl sitting at a table on the right hand side, by herself. I walked up to her and said Hello! She was 5 ft3, mid-twenties, dark hair up to her shoulders, slightly broad frame but not chubby, great see cup boobs and beautiful face. She said she was from Bangkok and her name was Noi. There wasn't much time to waste so I asked if she would come for LT and she said yes but could not stay beyond 9 am. She asked for 2500 and I said yes! From the few minutes I had been with her, she seemed no nonsense, the kind of non-diva girl who does not have many frills but gives great service.
Her English was reasonable and we made small talk on the way to the hotel. She wasn't too keen on making out in the taxi and I respected that. She told me she owns a salon with another partner and that the business is not that great. She was dressed very conservative. Apparently Thai men tend to stare if she is wearing short dresses!
Back at the hotel, we showered together. She had a flat tummy no stretch marks as she had not had a child. Her boobs were real and perfect. Not too small and not too big, and beautiful big black nipples that stand up when aroused. I started playing with them and slid my hand southwards. Her pussy was wet and felt hot. As I slid one finger in she responded positively and started moaning. I moved my attention from her nipples and started sliding my tongue towards her pussy. She rested one palm on the glass of the shower and lifted one leg up to give me access. I ate her for a few minutes and we were thoroughly enjoying when we decided it was better to move the action to the bed.
Back on the bed, she gave me a great head, sloppy and slow the way I like it. Slowly she was getting more and more talkative and would suddenly pause to ask me some random question all to do with sex! It was almost like talking dirty but in a conversational way. I ate her some more and at some point the condom came on, we changed many positions but the talking continued. I have never before stopped to hear an interesting story with my dick in a woman's pussy. Normally, I would find something like that annoying but that day it felt perfect. It had been 2 hours we had been making love. I normally don't last that long but this had been a start stop routine with all the conversations thrown in. At one point she was riding me on top, suddenly she went totally quiet and started grinding with great intensity. She came screaming at the top of her voice. I could not hold much longer too.
I was tired but satisfied! Needed another smoke and she agreed to come down with me. She got a beer from the mini bar, I got a coke and off we went. She had some more great stories to tell, about how the Koreans and Japanese can be very weird and how the French can make love for ever!
By the time we went to bed it was almost 6 am. When I woke up it was already noon and I wondered if she would be in a rush to leave. I slowly started kissing her shoulder and playing with her boobs and she started responding. She turned around gave a great good morning kiss and soon we were at it again. I did her in mish and doggy but wanted to finish in her mouth, to which she gladly obliged. Once I came she went to spit it out. Took a shower and got ready to leave. I checked with her if we could meet again that evening. She said she had some family thing but could the next day. I had an early morning flight the next day so I could not have met her. She gave me her number and I promised to call her the next time I was in town. I gave her money and 750 baht tip. She seemed to appreciate that. Gave me a great kiss which squeezing my cock and we said our byes! I was so happy to be back in Bangkok.
Pipe Layer99
10-25-14, 20:38
... As I walked into Mixx I went over to the smoking section to order my drink, have a smoke and see what was on offer. As I was ordering my drink, my eyes just locked with a beautiful Thai woman and who was standing at the other end of the bar having a smoke. I smiled, collected my drink and went upto her to say Hello,. After a few minutes I offered to buy her a drink and in the conversation I asked my usual questions to make sure she would do all I am interested in. She said yes to everything and I offered to take her LT. She said 5 k. I said 4 k but if the service is great then I would give her a good tip, she said deal! Slowly we started making out after a while and I slid my hands under her dress. She wasn't shaven and I expressed a mild disappointment. To which she said, that's no problem, I will shave when we get back. I thought to myself, that's a first, and was quite impressed with her attitude. I was also quite surprised and thrilled at how quickly I had found the girl tonight!
By around midnight we were back at the hotel. There was some making out in the taxi ride back and when at the hotel she wanted to shower alone as she had to shave. I didn't mind that at all. Once we were showered we were in bed my tongue deep in her mouth when she said can you please pay me first.
From the reports that I have read here and my earlier experiences this is big red flag.The first red flag was when she said 5 k. That is absurd. Do you realize if she had a regular job her salary would only be about 15 k per month (rhetorical question)? She said deal so fast because it was a great deal for HER.
If a guy feels that he wants a particular girl, he can offer her way less and take it from there. If she balks on that, excuse yourself and walk away to have a look around. As you begin to walk away a lot of them will change their tune. Others will wait a little while and then go looking for you. In any case, there are plenty more girls available so go say hello to some of them.
At clubs and FL bars, if we even talk price ahead of time, I will only offer 1000-1500 k (that goes for Bangkok and Pattaya). Why? Because that my price. Straight and simple. I don't care how much she wants or what others may have given her before. If she doesn't want my money another lady does.
ActionOriented
10-26-14, 04:57
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I gave her money and 750 baht tip. She seemed to appreciate that. Gave me a great kiss which squeezing my cock and we said our byes! I was so happy to be back in Bangkok.The freelancers in the Bangkok clubs are known to bark out insane rates, but that doesn't mean one needs to go for it. I have paid that absurd price once before, and although the girl was great looking I decided never to pay that rate again. These girls know that some punter will come along soon enough and pay a 3 k ST /4 k LT rates, but it's also fun seeing a lot of these girls go back home alone when the club closes. The girl that wanted 5 k for LT was a bad pick, but it happens. Good you found a better girl at half the price later in the night.
One reason I like going to ST rooms is when a gal pulls something like that, I can get up, get dressed, give her 100 baht for taxi and leave. 2 k is a lot of money for a poor performance. 4 k is a lot of money for any gal, unless she has full on superstar looks, can talk about anything, and has pure PSE performance, including A+ and rimming.I think if you've begun recieving sexual services & then leave as you described, one day you may be hearing from the girl's friends, BF or "handlers" re what you owe her. OTOH if she has agreed to do only one specific thing, say BBBJ, but refuses in your room or tries to do something different, then I've felt free to immediately dismiss her from my hotel room without any payment. No need for taxi fare as her work location was within 5 minutes walk.
A girl shouldn't agree to something if she doesn't understand English well enough to know what she's agreeing to or has no intention of doing it. I've never had a problem dismissing such a girl, all ladies of the street, from my hotel room & can count on about 2 fingers the number of times I've done it in hundreds of sessions.
If I haven't negotiated services, but only price at 1000 baht, then once sexual services have begun even if things don't go to my liking & I dismiss the TG, I feel obligated to take the high road & pay what was agreed upon. That's not much to risk re the very rare event of service being so lame that I want her to leave. Thai sex workers would want to avoid the loss of face with her coworkers that may involve. They also want to get paid & feel religiously obligated to make the man happy or cum. But it's easy to just throw a rare lame one back into the pond & take another. Those who perform to my satisfaction, which is the vast majority of cases, I generally tip well above that basic street girl standard price.
Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, though I have little interest or ability to converse with them & engage in risky constricted visits to the Greek Islands, either mine or theirs.
IllusionHeart
10-26-14, 07:23
Tptp76's experience is surely a welcome input for me as I am also going to be scouting in FL bars for ST / LT. Will definitely keep the prices suggested by members in mind while engaging with women.
Baccara is full of avg to way below avg. Looking girls. Of the big 4 it comes in at number 4. WOW!
Will be curious to find out your experience at the FL bars / clubs as I don't find a lot of that mentioned in the forum. Its mainly the Go Gos and the MPs. I really enjoy the whole selection process and prefer to make my choice from these clubs.
Looking forward to your FRs.
Tptp76's experience is surely a welcome input for me as I am also going to be scouting in FL bars for ST / LT. Will definitely keep the prices suggested by members in mind while engaging with women.
Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, though I have little interest or ability to converse with them & engage in risky constricted visits to the Greek Islands, either mine or theirs.A girl with superstar looks would be a fool to work the street.
1. Customers are cheep.
2. Its a lot more dangerous.
Sorry, these are no spectacular new insights, rather than a compilaton of what I experienced during my main stream" stay. So this is not going to be a sophisticated field report, I just want to give back to the forum the little that I can.
Arrived in the afternoon and took a taxi using the public taxi booth at level 1, yet the driver did not know my hotel and could not locate it on his GPS map, luckily I had the phone number of the place.
I stayed Two Tree Mansion for 5 nights and was quite pleased, centrally located close to Asoke BTS on a side soi of soi 23, very quiet place, not plush, but spacy, clean room for 1500 Bht / night. Disadvantages: you pay for WIFI, good signal but broke down more than once, only a few TV channels (for whom it matters I appreciated the girls not looking TV); guest IDs are not checked.
The girls.
Most time I did soi Cowboy, nude dancing at several places I. E. Dollhouse, Crazy house, Suzie Wong and Long Gun, one of the last two had a good show as well. Generally the prettier girls were biased towards asian customers lots of them featuring the asian barbie style" what is not my cup of tea anyway I prefer slim, but don't mind darker skin and a little bit mature woman as long as they show some interest at stage and are well manored (ie. NOT agressive Tequila hunters). I usually detest ladies coming uninvited to your seat that think your supposed to buy them a LD just because they could not entice a customer during there shift aaaand you are rich falang. SW had not that pretty girls but pushy staff.
Barfine was 6-700 Bht with exception being Dollhouse that had an early BF (before 2300) of 1500 Bht.
At a massage place the lady tried to convince me of extras while giving me the traditional massage and told me BF would be 1000 Bht. I don't know if this is common but found it ridiculous especially because of massage business being slow obviously, told her I can get a sexy Gogo Dancer for less this being Thailand not sure if she got the message. BTW the massage was mediocre and I doubt she learned a program lasting more than 30 minutes.
Most of the ladies that passed the interview confessed to do ST only. This tendency is already discussed extensivly on this thread, imo they were not looking for another ST afterwards (usually barfined after 2300) but just had made enough money and prefered to sleep at home because of BF, baby, second job; you name it. Always payed ST 2 hours 2000 Bht the exception being Crazy House where it was 2500, unnegociable 500 going to the mamasan.
In the hotel usually the ladies were willing to please and doing BBBJ. So over all a good experience but missing the morning romp.
Soi 7 Beergareden went there several days in the afternoon when I had some time to spend. Weekdays slow business, regular to plain looking ladies only, Thursday 2 better looking girls with good english skills, sorry no test drive for being too early 1600. Friday 1800 really busy, both ladies and customers and again some better looking girls but already talking to customers, did not stay long. Saturday 1800 less busy one goodlooking girl together with 2 friends obviously looking for a couple of young guys taking them out for party not the one in the bedroom.
Thank you for reading, next stop Samui.
I think if you've begun recieving sexual services & then leave as you described, one day you may be hearing from the girl's friends, BF or "handlers" re what you owe her. OTOH if she has agreed to do only one specific thing, say BBBJ, but refuses in your room or tries to do something different, then I've felt free to immediately dismiss her from my hotel room without any payment. No need for taxi fare as her work location was within 5 minutes walk.
A girl shouldn't agree to something if she doesn't understand English well enough to know what she's agreeing to or has no intention of doing it. I've never had a problem dismissing such a girl, all ladies of the street, from my hotel room & can count on about 2 fingers the number of times I've done it in hundreds of sessions.
If I haven't negotiated services, but only price at 1000 baht, then once sexual services have begun even if things don't go to my liking & I dismiss the TG, I feel obligated to take the high road & pay what was agreed upon. That's not much to risk re the very rare event of service being so lame that I want her to leave. Thai sex workers would want to avoid the loss of face with her coworkers that may involve. They also want to get paid & feel religiously obligated to make the man happy or cum. But it's easy to just throw a rare lame one back into the pond & take another. Those who perform to my satisfaction, which is the vast majority of cases, I generally tip well above that basic street girl standard price.
Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, though I have little interest or ability to converse with them & engage in risky constricted visits to the Greek Islands, either mine or theirs.Pink, I have lived here for 15 years and I have never had a problem when ending a session. Why? Because I am always very polite about it. In English or Thai depending on the case, I tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with. With FLs I always ask about services I want up front. I am demanding. I expect a PSE performance. A+ is the only thing that I don't insist on. Rimming, BBBJ, DFF, DATY, fingering, etc. All a must. I tell them, again in Thai or in English, I want them to act like they are in a "sex movie" or with their boyfriend. Many gals promise the world and then decide they don't want to deliver. Hey, no harm no foul. Up to her. I don't get mad. I get dressed and leave. I would never have a P4 P gal to my place. Now that is asking for potential trouble.
And if services are not delivered or it is lackluster and I call it off then I don't feel obligated to pay what was agreed upon. On all but one occasion the gal has left without a fuss. Later I even talked and joked with that one out on the street. Again, it is all about attitude. Smile and be nice. I imagine there are lots of dudes who get angry and aggressive when they don't get what they want.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.
FreebieFan
10-27-14, 04:18
. Disadvantages: you pay for WIFI, good signal but broke down more than once, only a few TV channels
.Reminds me that I used the Au Bon Pain coffee shop in BKK recently. Breezed up to counter and got my latte and asked for the wifi password. " no sir, you have to pay for wifi ".
Interesting business model, to pay for what every one else gives for free. Actively avoided the place thereafter both in BKK and Pattaya.
And wifi in Bangkok airport. Equally messed up. Theres a form whereby you have to supply lots of pertinent information and only when its complete can you maybe get wifi. Makes Manila airports look reasonably advanced in that regard. LOL. OK wifi rant over.
Most of the ladies that passed the interview confessed to do ST only. This tendency is already discussed extensivly on this thread, imo they were not looking for another ST afterwards (usually barfined after 2300) but just had made enough money and prefered to sleep at home because of BF, baby, second job; you name it. Always payed ST 2 hours 2000 Bht the exception being Crazy House where it was 2500, unnegociable 500 going to the mamasan..So you pay CH girl 2500 and she kicks back 500 to momma?
I guess because CH hires prostitutes who are un-employable elsewhere she can get away with it.
Francesco24
10-27-14, 15:28
Pink, I have lived here for 15 years and I have never had a problem when ending a session. Why? Because I am always very polite about it. In English or Thai depending on the case, I tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with. With FLs I always ask about services I want up front. I am demanding. I expect a PSE performance. A+ is the only thing that I don't insist on. Rimming, BBBJ, DFF, DATY, fingering, etc. All a must. I tell them, again in Thai or in English, I want them to act like they are in a "sex movie" or with their boyfriend. Many gals promise the world and then decide they don't want to deliver. Hey, no harm no foul. Up to her. I don't get mad. I get dressed and leave. I would never have a P4 P gal to my place. Now that is asking for potential trouble.
And if services are not delivered or it is lackluster and I call it off then I don't feel obligated to pay what was agreed upon. On all but one occasion the gal has left without a fuss. Later I even talked and joked with that one out on the street. Again, it is all about attitude. Smile and be nice. I imagine there are lots of dudes who get angry and aggressive when they don't get what they want.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.I agree 100% with your view.
Sadly I am shy enough not to be able to even politely stop a session. Next time should go together!
Crocodilexp
10-27-14, 16:59
At clubs and FL bars, if we even talk price ahead of time, I will only offer 1000-1500 k (that goes for Bangkok and Pattaya). Why? Because that my price. Straight and simple. I don't care how much she wants or what others may have given her before. If she doesn't want my money another lady does.Solid advice. In addition, it's a good idea to name your price, instead of asking her for the price. That way, you show you know the deal, and she doesn't feel that she lost out if she has to go down sharply from her initial stratospheric offer. If it's "take it or leave it", you won't appear to be pleading (as you would if she made the first offer), and if you end up bargaining, you just set a low base, so any increase is a win for her (it's called anchoring).
IllusionHeart
10-27-14, 17:47
Will be curious to find out your experience at the FL bars / clubs as I don't find a lot of that mentioned in the forum. Its mainly the Go Gos and the MPs. I really enjoy the whole selection process and prefer to make my choice from these clubs.
Looking forward to your FRs.Sure mate. Will post my experience once back, don't carry tablet / laptop with me hence becomes difficult to post anything from phone. Only use it to refer to any recent posts on the relevant threads where I am travelling. But the way weathers forecasted for the weekend hope it dosent end up wetting my body and drying up my trip. Had my fill of monsoon for this year already. No more rains plsssss.
Any additional inputs welcome from seniors especially for rainy days in BKK. Reading up on posts from last year same time might not be relevant with the speed at which the city seems to be changing.
TIA
Solid advice. In addition, it's a good idea to name your price, instead of asking her for the price. That way, you show you know the deal, and she doesn't feel that she lost out if she has to go down sharply from her initial stratospheric offer. If it's "take it or leave it", you won't appear to be pleading (as you would if she made the first offer), and if you end up bargaining, you just set a low base, so any increase is a win for her (it's called anchoring).Amen. I agree 100%. Tell her what you will pay. If she doesn't want it, walk.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.You'd be owing the repair man if he was working by the hour & you kicked him out after a few.
I wonder if Bill Gates is crying about a lost 1000 baht or 30 USD. I expect at the end of his life 30 dollars less won't be the straw that broke the camel's back or put him out of business.
The minimum wage is 300 baht a day or 10 USD. So about a dollar an hour. That's fair? Or a ridiculous joke?
In a high risk profession like sex trade work one is worthy of a far higher wage than the typical job. That is often the norm around the world. They make as much as lawyers, doctors & the like. And justly so.
You don't tip & have only a 50 percent success rate in sessions with freelancers. I typically tip hugely, am known by the freelance ladies of the street to do so & have over a 95 percent satisfaction clip with sessions. I think I'll stick to my way of doing things.
You've never paid a FL over 1500? That narrows your options considerably, as the more stunning ladies can easily make more than that or the same amount without being required to do all the services you demand. Thermae coffee shop, for an example.
No wonder you've practically given up on freelancers. Since they're about the cheapest around, how much do you pay where you go? Hot gogo girls will generally set you back at least 2000 plus a 600 bar fine & not want to work hard for it. For that much dough you'd get much more bang for your buck, services and enthusiasm out of a street girl.
So you pay CH girl 2500 and she kicks back 500 to momma?
I guess because CH hires prostitutes who are un-employable elsewhere she can get away with it.Well, this is what she told me andsemms likely because the mamasan cashed the money in the bar. I usually pay when the girl leaves. What makes you believe they are un-employable elsewhere? They had some stunners.
You'd be owing the repair man if he was working by the hour & you kicked him out after a few.
I wonder if Bill Gates is crying about a lost 1000 baht or 30 USD. I expect at the end of his life 30 dollars less won't be the straw that broke the camel's back or put him out of business.
The minimum wage is 300 baht a day or 10 USD. So about a dollar an hour. That's fair? Or a ridiculous joke?
In a high risk profession like sex trade work one is worthy of a far higher wage than the typical job. That is often the norm around the world. They make as much as lawyers, doctors & the like. And justly so.
You don't tip & have only a 50 percent success rate in sessions with freelancers. I typically tip hugely, am known by the freelance ladies of the street to do so & have over a 95 percent satisfaction clip with sessions. I think I'll stick to my way of doing things.
You've never paid a FL over 1500? That narrows your options considerably, as the more stunning ladies can easily make more than that or the same amount without being required to do all the services you demand. Thermae coffee shop, for an example.
No wonder you've practically given up on freelancers. Since they're about the cheapest around, how much do you pay where you go? Hot gogo girls will generally set you back at least 2000 plus a 600 bar fine & not want to work hard for it. For that much dough you'd get much more bang for your buck, services and enthusiasm out of a street girl.Pink, Up until a few years ago my success rate with FLs was almost 100%. From 99 till about 07 about 75% of the gals I took were FLs, mainly from Thermae. Always paid 1 k baht. Never tipped and it was never an issue. Sadly dudes started paying much more and the market was quickly spoiled. And the higher the price has gotten the lower the service has become and the worse the attitudes have become. Why? In Thailand as self-worth is based on the baht. As is in many ways "face." You are taking girls fresh off the farm with very little status and piopping huge cash in their hands. Kind of like when Uncle Boochie and Cousin Weenie from West Virginia win the lottery. These are for the most part girls with a 6th grade "edumacation." The mentality is pure West Virginia "holler" but the gals have all their teeth.
How much do I pay where I go? Well, that would be the oilies. Gal gets 1500 baht. House gets 400,600, or 800 depending on the length of the session. 1900 baht for an hour and that include the room. With a FL I have to pay 350 for the ST room. So for 50 baht more I can pop as many times as I want in that hour and all services are included. And there is no guessing and no drama.
And no, its not a joke; up until two years ago the min wage was 180 baht per day.
Pink, the repair man would complete the job, or he would not get paid and would be in trouble with his company. P4P sex is a service like any other.
Of course we are not talking about Bill Gates. We are talking about the average monger who comes to Thailand because the tang and living are good and not so expensive.
Pipe Layer99
10-28-14, 13:37
Pink, I have lived here for 15 years and I have never had a problem when ending a session. Why? Because I am always very polite about it. In English or Thai depending on the case, I tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with. With FLs I always ask about services I want up front.
And if services are not delivered or it is lackluster and I call it off then I don't feel obligated to pay what was agreed upon. On all but one occasion the gal has left without a fuss. Later I even talked and joked with that one out on the street. Again, it is all about attitude. Smile and be nice. I imagine there are lots of dudes who get angry and aggressive when they don't get what they want.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand.Well put Goat. I agree. You have to be clear and ask for what you want up front. This is a good way to eliminate most issues that 'might' come up later.
In the case of services being lackluster, if I called it off I will still give her something. I imagine you would do the same. I suspect you mean that you don't feel obligated to pay the FULL amount (but a reasonable amount is in order). Ie she only gives a 1 minute BJ but agreed to give a nice long BJ. That has to be corrected ASAP then keep it going. Or, here is a better one, she agreed on 2 hours but wants to leave after 1 hour (that's just and example. I have never heard of that from any guys here). However, if something like that did happened, she is changing what she agreed on so a change in price would be in order. BTW, if a girl did try to pull something like that, she knows full well she is trying to get over on the guy. Like you said be clear up front and if it goes south, be nice about it.
I have heard a lot of stories in person from all over the world. To identify a few. The girls doesn't want to do a BJ (but agreed to it earlier), she wants the money up front, agrees to all night then has to leave at 7 am for any number of reasons. Sometimes these things happen, especially when dealing with hard core girls. It's a learning curve. Experienced guys learn and make adjustments.
Well put Goat. I agree. You have to be clear and ask for what you want up front. This is a good way to eliminate most issues that 'might' come up later.
In the case of services being lackluster, if I called it off I will still give her something. I imagine you would do the same. I suspect you mean that you don't feel obligated to pay the FULL amount (but a reasonable amount is in order). Ie she only gives a 1 minute BJ but agreed to give a nice long BJ. That has to be corrected ASAP then keep it going. Or, here is a better one, she agreed on 2 hours but wants to leave after 1 hour (that's just and example. I have never heard of that from any guys here). However, if something like that did happened, she is changing what she agreed on so a change in price would be in order. BTW, if a girl did try to pull something like that, she knows full well she is trying to get over on the guy. Like you said be clear up front and if it goes south, be nice about it.
I have heard a lot of stories in person from all over the world. To identify a few. The girls doesn't want to do a BJ (but agreed to it earlier), she wants the money up front, agrees to all night then has to leave at 7 am for any number of reasons. Sometimes these things happen, especially when dealing with hard core girls. It's a learning curve. Experienced guys learn and make adjustments.Yes I give her something and that depends on how far the session has gone. Normally within a minute or two I can gauge the way things are headed. If she is not responsive to kissing and touching then things will probably not go well. What amazes me the most is gals who agree to things, don't deliver, and are then shocked that the customer is not thrilled. This tells me that there are a lot of guys out there who take whatever the gal gives whether it was what was agreed upon or not.
Pink, Up until a few years ago my success rate with FLs was almost 100%. From 99 till about 07 about 75% of the gals I took were FLs, mainly from Thermae. Always paid 1 k baht. Never tipped and it was never an issue. Sadly dudes started paying much more and the market was quickly spoiled. And the higher the price has gotten the lower the service has become and the worse the attitudes have become. Why? In Thailand as self-worth is based on the baht. As is in many ways "face." You are taking girls fresh off the farm with very little status and piopping huge cash in their hands. Kind of like when Uncle Boochie and Cousin Weenie from West Virginia win the lottery. These are for the most part girls with a 6th grade "edumacation." The mentality is pure West Virginia "holler" but the gals have all their teeth. Once again, thanks for your version of history since the HIV heyday in LOS.
Has the market been spoiled? If it has very few seem to care, maybe a handful of hundreds of members here. Sex tourists continue to flock to Siam in ever increasing numbers to enjoy far more bang for their buck than they can get from the stuck up over priced menu restricted feminists back in the Western world. Japanese & Koreans can come to the Kingdom & pay a small fraction of what they would back home.
Spoiled market? For who? Actually Thailand remains the number one sex tourism destination on the planet. And I don't see that changing in the near future or our lifetimes. In fact since 2007 & a decade or two before that tourist numbers to the country for our hobby have continually increased at an incredible rate.
Edmucation? Hookers the world over are not exactly renowned for their PHD status, so LOS is no anomaly in that regard. What they do share with their sisters elsewhere, though, is a high risk profession re STIs, other diseases, violence & abuse, as well as the surrender of their holy of holies. That explains why they deserve the high pay grade of educated doctors & lawyers who are in relatively long lasting & safe comfy careers.
Sex tourists continue to flock to Siam in ever increasing numbers to enjoy far more bang for their buck than they can get from the stuck up over priced menu restricted feminists back in the Western world. Japanese & Koreans can come to the Kingdom & pay a small fraction of what they would back home.
Please cite your sources. Or are we to simply take your word for it?
Tourist arrivals are up, year over year, at least up through 2013. The numbers for 2014 aren't in yet. However, many other sources claim that, although gross tourist numbers are up, business in the bars is down. It's very hard to obtain and retain staff. Fewer girls = fewer customers. But you seem to have some inside knowledge, so please be kind enough to share. Where are these hordes of sex tourists going, whose services are they using?
Oh, and $100+ short times is hardly "more bang for your buck" compared to many places.
Once again, thanks for your version of history since the HIV heyday in LOS.
Has the market been spoiled? If it has very few seem to care, maybe a handful of hundreds of members here. Sex tourists continue to flock to Siam in ever increasing numbers to enjoy far more bang for their buck than they can get from the stuck up over priced menu restricted feminists back in the Western world. Japanese & Koreans can come to the Kingdom & pay a small fraction of what they would back home.
Spoiled market? For who? Actually Thailand remains the number one sex tourism destination on the planet. And I don't see that changing in the near future or our lifetimes. In fact since 2007 & a decade or two before that tourist numbers to the country for our hobby have continually increased at an incredible rate.
Edmucation? Hookers the world over are not exactly renowned for their PHD status, so LOS is no anomaly in that regard. What they do share with their sisters elsewhere, though, is a high risk profession re STIs, other diseases, violence & abuse, as well as the surrender of their holy of holies. That explains why they deserve the high pay grade of educated doctors & lawyers who are in relatively long lasting & safe comfy careers.There are far fewer Western sex tourists coming to Thailand now. More Asians and sub-continentals, but fewer Westerners. The bars are empty compared to 10 years ago and there are fewer and fewer gals in the trade each year. Any long term resident will tell you that. The FL scene is sad compared to 10 years ago when you could not walk 10 meters down lower Suk without being propositioned by a cute gal. Now it is mainly uglies and folks from a rather undesirable demographic. Few seem to care? Everyone I know is very bummed about the scene's decline. I don't know a resident that is positive about it. Hell, most of the frequent visitors I know have stopped coming and are going elsewhere.
HIV heyday? That was well over by the late 90s thank you. I would say the gals were far more insistent on condoms then than they are now.
The bang for the buck is much less than it was. It costs more buck for less bang. Anyone that thinks different is kidding themselves or was not here 15 years ago.
If Thailand was in 99 the way it is now, I would not have moved here. But hey, this is my home, has been for 15 years, and probably will be for quite a time to come. I still love the food, my friends, etc, and it is nice to have an oily every now and then.
To a two week millionaire I am sure it looks "great." Live here awhile and that will change.
Just like any other profession they should be paid according to their skill set and abilities. Prostitution is a service like any other. I mean really do you tip your Dr, dentist, or lawyer for good service? No it is expected. Same same with working girls. If a dude walked into your favorite restaurant back home, enjoyed the meal, and then insisted on paying double for it, what would you think of him? Yes, exactly. It is no different here with P4P gals. They think the same thing. Treat them well, be respectful, but demand good service and pay a fair rate for said service. In turn they will respect you, give you good service, and never try to pull the wool over you eyes.
Cost in the US or any other's home country? Completely irrelevant.
I remember my first trip to Cambo in 99. Met a friend who lived there. First thing he said to me was, "This is what you pay the girls. Because if you pay more you screw it up for those that come after you. " He was spot on. Sadly, most dudes don't really care about those that come after and think that paying more will get them more. It doesn't. Never has and never will. And herein lies one of the reasons the scene is in steep decline.
Please cite your sources. Or are we to simply take your word for it?
Tourist arrivals are up, year over year, at least up through 2013. The numbers for 2014 aren't in yet. However, many other sources claim that, although gross tourist numbers are up, business in the bars is down. It's very hard to obtain and retain staff. Fewer girls = fewer customers. But you seem to have some inside knowledge, so please be kind enough to share. Where are these hordes of sex tourists going, whose services are they using?
Oh, and $100+ short times is hardly "more bang for your buck" compared to many places.Yep, and arrivals might be down as much as 20% this year. The bars are really hurting. The freelance scene has been pretty dismal since '11 and in decline since the coup of '06.
I get into BKK around 11 am. The lines at immigration was very small. I only had to wait behind 10 people compared to anytime I have been here before when the line was at least 100 people which was odd to me. The small line did not matter. It was slow as hell to get through. I get a taxi headed to my hotel. Zero traffic around 12 noon. The taxi driver is texting while he is driving which is freaking me out. He speaks zero English. I get to my hotel. Before I check in I test the WiFi and is great. Always test WiFi before you pay for the room. It can very in each room of the same hotel.
I start looking around Nana plaza. There are girls in the bars but the bars seemed to be very slow. I hate at restaurant and there was only one other guy in the whole restaurant. I spend time a lot of time walking looking for the perfect girl. I saw very little freelancers. I had to start checking out the massage parlors which in Bangkok is expensive. By the way before 5 pm MP's and bars are not crowded. So I go to darling or cupids. Something like that. About a 10 minute walk from Nana plaza. 3 girls working. One was like 24 years old had a really pretty face and body looked like I like but I could not tell because of those huge dresses they wear. The manager said cost was $2500 baut which is like $77 USD. This is expensive for thailand. I was tired of looking so I stayed. She got undressed and her body was ok. I tested her and pretended like I was going to enter her bareback and she was fine with that. But I stopped and would never do that. Service was a little rushed and she spoke zero English which helped so she did not ***** because I wanted to take my time. He pussy was very beautiful looking but was very large. I left thinking why did I waste this money. This was a 5 star place. I was told come after 5 pm for a bigger selection. I was the only customer I saw.
I walk more find another massage place but not 5 star. More like 3 star. 300 for the house and the girl wanted 1000 baut for massage and FS. I talked her down to 700 baut plus 300 house. She agreed. This lady was 39 years old. She looked to have a F cup breasts. I just had to get some Russian even though she looked thicker. We go to the room and she undresses. Her breasts were incredible. She was not fat at all. She had one of the smallest vaginas I have ever seen. She was extremely tight and her service was awesome. I took off the condom and told her I wanted her to give me a hand job and jerk me into her mouth. She started too but as soon and I started to cum she pointed my dick to her tits. Ok what ever. When we first started I tested her and pretended like I was going to fuck her with out a condom. She just closed her eyes and was fine with that. I did not. Just love to test these girls. LOL. Great session and cheap. Not rushed!
3rd girl. All girls I will be talking about will be from small massage shops. The cost varies from $1700 baut to $2000 baut. Actually, I am not going to go blow by blow anymore. My first day I hit it really hard. I went through 6 girls in 9 hours. I spend probably about $350 USD today total with everything which is ridiculous. But it I Bangkok and I knew I was leaving the next day for Pattaya which is a lot cheaper.
9 pm I was exhausted. I went to my hotel and literally passed out in a coma. I woke up at 11 pm. I wanted to go back to sleep but I forced myself to go walk around one more time to check out how BKK is in the peak hours. Nana plaza I went and just checked out one nightclub. It was packed. The girls were not dancing nude just in bathing suits. I saw in front of Nana hotel the independents. Nothing worth getting excited about. I walked the main drag where I know the independents stand. I could not believe it. The was very little independents! The ones I saw were not good looking. I walked up to Grace Hotel. I went inside to check out the white chicks that main clients are the Muslim guys. There were about 40 of them. All smoking and just siting like slugs. They don't even try to get customers. Most were over weight. Nothing to see here.
I was at this point really to drop from jet lag and fucking. But I forced myself to check out one more place which was Raja Hotel. This is where the hot white Russian woman are. The manager immediately recognized me and puts his arm around me saying your back. Let me show you the girls. I think her is gay but what ever. There was about 22 white Russians. All from ages 20 -25. Cost was raised this year. The hottest girls where $3100 baut including room. The older ones 24-25 were $2600 baut including room. I did see some girls I liked but I could hardly stay awake and walk. So I told him I would be back latter. These Russian girls 98% of the time are rushed service. Hate their job. No GFE. But if you want to band a hot white chick that will rush you the whole time there is many to choose from.
I am leaving Bangkok today headed to Pattaya. In Bangkok out of the 6 girls I was with. Only two required a condom. Though I used a condom. I only seen two African girls this time. When last year I saw about 40. This time There was these steps and it was all these African guys. Spread out. Yes, there are working but I have yet to figure out what there are doing? Are they male prostitutes are they selling drugs? They are doing something. I few of them tried to talk to me last year but I kept walking.
Of course we are not talking about Bill Gates. We are talking about the average monger who comes to Thailand because the tang and living are good and not so expensive.The poontang is "not so expensive" in Thailand. Yeah, it's dirt cheap. Like 200 to 300 USD an hour in North America compared to 30 USD for a freelancer in Thailand. So a difference of 7 to 10 times, more or less.
So after a few sessions in the Kingdom a guy has already saved enough relative to what he would have paid at Western rates to have covered the cost of his airfare. Beyond that it's all gravy, cha ching, like getting freebies relative to the Western prices. Yeah, coming to Thailand is so cheap it's like getting free sex!
Moreover the petite sweet girls here aren't infected with the feminist disease. Also bareback sex & BJs are way easier to obtain. And unlike much of the Western world it's legal, rampant & so easily accessible. With all that factored in the value of Thailand over the West just went up a number of times more!
To any "average monger" who realizes these very simple basic fundamentals, the rare loss of a measley 1000 baht because of a poor session should mean less than nothing. The same lame session would be more common where he comes from & cost a hell of a lot more.
But don't let me stop your continual hype about how lousy Siam is now. Just don't expect it's going to have any influence on the P4P scene & its future in the country, or send you in a time machine back to the 1990's.
Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, To those who might actually believe this and come to Bangkok looking for "superstars" on the streets, please don't waste your time or money. There are no superstars on the streets any more, not even any stars, not even above average. At least in terms of looks. Freelancers on the streets are basically the bottom of the barrel. Street Freelancers is a dying art form.
I saw this girl do a 20 barfine last night. One of the more popular Rainbow bars.
2 minutes walking to and from hotel.
1 minute check into hotel.
2 minute chit chat as you get naked.
8 minutes for showering before and after sex.
1 minute to pay and wrap things up.
That leaves 6 minute on the bed. LOL.
To those who might actually believe this and come to Bangkok looking for "superstars" on the streets, please don't waste your time or money. There are no superstars on the streets any more, not even any stars, not even above average. At least in terms of looks. Freelancers on the streets are basically the bottom of the barrel. Street Freelancers is a dying art form.I concur with DRR. This man who finds all these things on the street is just full of nonsense!
To those who might actually believe this and come to Bangkok looking for "superstars" on the streets, please don't waste your time or money. There are no superstars on the streets any more, not even any stars, not even above average. At least in terms of looks. Freelancers on the streets are basically the bottom of the barrel. Street Freelancers is a dying art form.What's a superstar to you? You could define it in many words. Or use a picture which is said to be worth 1000.
How about this:
https://ca.shine.yahoo.com/how-young-is-too-young-for-plastic-surgery-202700445.html
Or is it that you have a thing for girls that look like Britney Spears:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstar
No thanks, she's not my cup of tea.
Walking around the NEP area the other day during the lunch hour crowds I saw many hot ladies like I would at MBK & Siam. I thought to myself, wow, I've been banging girls exactly like these by the Nana Parking Lot! It's true.
OTOH from recent pics from gogos in this thread, almost without exception I wouldn't be doing them for free, let alone 2000 + 600 baht plus.
Some people just need to get out more. Especially on a Friday night, low season, or when it's time to pay loom.
Crocodilexp
10-30-14, 10:18
Actually Thailand remains the number one sex tourism destination on the planet. Might be true, but unfortunately, all that would mean is that other destinations have been going downhill at an even faster rate.
And I don't see that changing in the near future or our lifetimes. Unless you're over 75, you can safely bet on Thailand changing rapidly within your lifetime. Hong Kong and South Korea were once viable and thriving sex destinations (before the internet and cheap air travel so this was not widely publicized and there were no hordes of working class foreigners visiting).
When I moved to Thailand, I also thought the sex scene would not change dramatically for at least a 2-3 decades, but it shifted dramatically in under 10 years. It's difficult to see it coming, and even difficult to figure out it's happening if you live here or visit often (like a frog being slowly boiled), but obvious in retrospect.
From what I've seen, sex scene in Thailand (especially the freelancer scene) has gone downhill rapidly around 2009/10, and seems to be in terminal decline. Before that there was decline for some years, but slower paced.
Back in the day (prior to 2009), the scene would easily pull in guys who were averse to prostitution, and came here without thoughts of a naughty holiday. One could effortlessly find someone for an hour, night, week. And often the overall experience was so great that quite a few guys would marry the 1st (or 10th, same thing!) Thai hooker they met (even younger guys did this occasionally).
These days the scene still looks large to a first-time visitor (especially given that it's in plain view and not hidden away like in most other countries), but it's populated by the remnants and dregs, as Goatscrot said, girls obviously too lazy or too stupid to do other work. Or having been hookers for way too long to switch to anything else. It's fair to admit Thai hookers (in the Farang scene) are still more pleasant and service minded than in most other countries (e. G. Vietnam, China), but that's a low bar to clear. And don't care to keep it up for long.
It would be interesting to find statistics on Western sex tourist arrivals (as opposed to general tourist arrivals), and also on the number of marriages between Farang and Thai bargirls. They guys who date or marry what's left on the hooker scene in 2014 must be both desperate and nearly blind (whereas before they were just temporarily blindsided by being treated unexpectedly well).
The sex scene oriented towards Thai customers is clearly on the decline as well, at least the portions I'm familiar with (on the lower end, mostly). Still cheap (prices are far more sticky than in the Farang zone, due to the lack of clueless weekend millionaires), but far fewer venues and girls working.
The poontang is "not so expensive" in Thailand. Yeah, it's dirt cheap. Like 200 to 300 USD an hour in North America compared to 30 USD for a freelancer in Thailand. So a difference of 7 to 10 times, more or less.
So after a few sessions in the Kingdom a guy has already saved enough relative to what he would have paid at Western rates to have covered the cost of his airfare. Beyond that it's all gravy, cha ching, like getting freebies relative to the Western prices. Yeah, coming to Thailand is so cheap it's like getting free sex!
Moreover the petite sweet girls here aren't infected with the feminist disease. Also bareback sex & BJs are way easier to obtain. And unlike much of the Western world it's legal, rampant & so easily accessible. With all that factored in the value of Thailand over the West just went up a number of times more!
To any "average monger" who realizes these very simple basic fundamentals, the rare loss of a measley 1000 baht because of a poor session should mean less than nothing. The same lame session would be more common where he comes from & cost a hell of a lot more.
But don't let me stop your continual hype about how lousy Siam is now. Just don't expect it's going to have any influence on the P4P scene & its future in the country, or send you in a time machine back to the 1990's.Uh, but you have to factor in the cost of the ticket, hotel, etc for the traveler.
If you are in the US you are better off in Tijuana, Costa Rica, or the DR. Again it does not matter what you pay in the US. This is not the US.
BTW, prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Yes, it is "better" here than in the US. But enjoy it because I fear it won't be for long.
What's a superstar to you? You could define it in many words. Or use a picture which is said to be worth 1000.
How about this:
https://ca.shine.yahoo.com/how-young-is-too-young-for-plastic-surgery-202700445.html
Or is it that you have a thing for girls that look like Britney Spears:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstar
No thanks, she's not my cup of tea.
Walking around the NEP area the other day during the lunch hour crowds I saw many hot ladies like I would at MBK & Siam. I thought to myself, wow, I've been banging girls exactly like these by the Nana Parking Lot! It's true.
OTOH from recent pics from gogos in this thread, almost without exception I wouldn't be doing them for free, let alone 2000 + 600 baht plus.
Some people just need to get out more. Especially on a Friday night, low season, or when it's time to pay loom.Dude, the office girls I see look nothing like the gals in the Nana parking lot. And that is exactly the problem. There are very few semi-pros left as gals can now make a living from their day job. 10 years ago they could not. If they say "loom" then that is a dead giveaway.
The gals in LOS are getting better looking every day. They dress better, know more about making themselves up, etc. But those girls are not P4 P gals. Want to see lookers? Head to Thong Lor on a Fri / Sat. Lots of lookers there. And they would not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on us if we were on fire. If they are going to date a farang dude, he is going to be within a few years of her age. Times have changed.
Might be true, but unfortunately, all that would mean is that other destinations have been going downhill at an even faster rate.
Unless you're over 75, you can safely bet on Thailand changing rapidly within your lifetime. Hong Kong and South Korea were once viable and thriving sex destinations (before the internet and cheap air travel so this was not widely publicized and there were no hordes of working class foreigners visiting).
When I moved to Thailand, I also thought the sex scene would not change dramatically for at least a 2-3 decades, but it shifted dramatically in under 10 years. It's difficult to see it coming, and even difficult to figure out it's happening if you live here or visit often (like a frog being slowly boiled), but obvious in retrospect.
From what I've seen, sex scene in Thailand (especially the freelancer scene) has gone downhill rapidly around 2009/10, and seems to be in terminal decline. Before that there was decline for some years, but slower paced.
Back in the day (prior to 2009), the scene would easily pull in guys who were averse to prostitution, and came here without thoughts of a naughty holiday. One could effortlessly find someone for an hour, night, week. And often the overall experience was so great that quite a few guys would marry the 1st (or 10th, same thing!) Thai hooker they met (even younger guys did this occasionally).
These days the scene still looks large to a first-time visitor (especially given that it's in plain view and not hidden away like in most other countries), but it's populated by the remnants and dregs, as Goatscrot said, girls obviously too lazy or too stupid to do other work. Or having been hookers for way too long to switch to anything else. It's fair to admit Thai hookers (in the Farang scene) are still more pleasant and service minded than in most other countries (e. G. Vietnam, China), but that's a low bar to clear. And don't care to keep it up for long.
It would be interesting to find statistics on Western sex tourist arrivals (as opposed to general tourist arrivals), and also on the number of marriages between Farang and Thai bargirls. They guys who date or marry what's left on the hooker scene in 2014 must be both desperate and nearly blind (whereas before they were just temporarily blindsided by being treated unexpectedly well).
The sex scene oriented towards Thai customers is clearly on the decline as well, at least the portions I'm familiar with (on the lower end, mostly). Still cheap (prices are far more sticky than in the Farang zone, due to the lack of clueless weekend millionaires), but far fewer venues and girls working.Spot on. The entire scene is in decline. It is headed in the direction all P4 P scenes head as nations develop and there is more opportunity for gals.
And change it has. It is a very dynamic place. The P4P scene has changed drastically since 99. And really none of the changes have been positive. Well, a few more gals are A+ and know what a rim job is, but other than that, meh.
In a few years there will be the high end and the low end. And nothing in the middle. Just like it is in the US.
To those who might actually believe this and come to Bangkok looking for "superstars" on the streets, please don't waste your time or money. There are no superstars on the streets any more, not even any stars, not even above average. At least in terms of looks. Freelancers on the streets are basically the bottom of the barrel. Street Freelancers is a dying art form.So true. What I see on the street is almost appalling.
I saw this girl do a 20 barfine last night. One of the more popular Rainbow bars.
2 minutes walking to and from hotel.
1 minute check into hotel.
2 minute chit chat as you get naked.
8 minutes for showering before and after sex.
1 minute to pay and wrap things up.
That leaves 6 minute on the bed. LOL.Steve, Funny! A couple of years ago on a December evening three of us sat at the little outside bar in front of the ST hotel on the second floor of Nana. The hotel was quite busy being high season (back when there was a high season), so we decided to time the couples from the time they entered the hotel till the time they exited.
We were there for 90 min. The average couple was in the hotel for 25 min. The longest was 40. Shortest was 17. And we did the exact calculation you did.
BTW, one gal had two customers in 90 min.
WTF? We were amazed. And to think most of these gals were probably getting 2 k for this measly amount of work. No wonder the scene is spoiled.
Member #4698
10-30-14, 17:15
In a few years there will be the high end and the low end. And nothing in the middle. Just like it is in the US.This could very well be true, but I would still prefer Thai high end to the American equivalent. I am moving in this direction anyway with more interest in high end soapies and G Clubs as time goes by. But at present there are still friendly doable girls in oilies and sexy Go Go girls as well, so it is my opinion that BKK is still very good although not the bargain it once was. Comparatively, just check out prices in Makati Burgos Street Bars and Jakarta high end Bordellos like Alexis and Malioboro. Girlie prices are up universally! And the rise in prices is not just for Asian poontang. Check the price of coffee, bread, or tomatoes at Whole Foods in the good old USA. The prices on these basic commodities are through the roof. Real wages continue to decline in America. Maybe electing responsible leaders might stabilize prices and get the economy back on the right track. Maybe we are already too far into decline. I don't know. Me, I am going to party on until the lights get shut off.
But you, Goatscrot, you must have quite a few favorite massage girls and FL's in your address book. Prices for you, as an ex-pat local guy, must be significantly better than for me a 2 month a year traveler/visitor or a newbie just landing. My favorite Go Go girl asks nothing more than the original price she gave me back in 2010. Most of the time we meet up outside of her Go Go eliminating the barfine and the sex is MUCH BETTER now than it ever was. If I lived in BKK, I know I would have my favorite girls at my beck and call, dropping by my place all the time before and after work and I would be paying them wholesale not retail prices. Likewise, the oily massage parlors that you frequent must know you real well by now and I would expect that you are treated very well there.
Paul Kausch
10-30-14, 17:51
Spot on. The entire scene is in decline.
In a few years there will be the high end and the low end. And nothing in the middle. Just like it is in the US.
This could very well be true, but I would still prefer Thai high end to the American equivalent.I agree with Natty.
Plus, Bangkok Gold, which I consider to be one of the elite escort agencies in Bangkok charges 8000 baht for 4 hours.
In contrast, an elite escort in Miami, Florida charges US$2500 (and up) for 4 hours.
Another option here is thirty minutes with an attractive, ruthless stripper who makes gogo girls in Bangkok seem like sweet little girls. This local stripper will cost US$500 for 30 minutes of mechanical sex paid before the session starts, performed in a room that the club charges you US$125 to use; plus you will pay a US$20 tip to the doorman; and don't think this is optional. Finally after the session the girl will aggressively demand another US$100 tip. Failure to pay up risks creating a very unpleasant scene.
So Goat, I am inclined to believe your prediction about Bangkok's P4P industry, but for now Bangkok is still a bargain and as much as men complain about the poor service from WG in Bangkok, it is much better than in Southeast Florida where I live. I am able to find strippers who I arrange to see outside of the clubs who are fun to be with and give good service, but it takes considerable time to find them and a couple of hours with them costs about US$600. And while I find the service with the girls I see regularly in Bangkok gets better and better, performance deteriorates after a couple of sessions with the local stripper, and then the hunt for a new girl begins again.
Be thankful for what you have.
Uh, but you have to factor in the cost of the ticket, hotel, etc for the traveler.
If you are in the US you are better off in Tijuana, Costa Rica, or the DR. Again it does not matter what you pay in the US. This is not the US.
BTW, prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Yes, it is "better" here than in the US. But enjoy it because I fear it won't be for long.I know an American who lived in CR. He's been in Pattaya for a few years now & loves it.
For me I think BKK is as close to perfect as it gets. I've looked into a lot of places all over the world. Singapore, though, in Geylang, is to my taste, even better in some ways. That was a hidden gem that my research and investigations unearthed. As the saying goes, seek & you will find.
The cost of the airfare was already mentioned. Hotel is a non factor with travelers such as myself who have given up there residence back in farang land or are renting it out.
Otherwise if airfare is 1000 USD and a 30 day hotel stay in BKK is 1200 more, that's 2200 USD. If the guy does only one P4 P gal a day at a savings of 200 USD over what he'd pay back in the USA, that's 6000 USD saved. Subtract the 2200 and he's essentially getting 3800 USD worth of free sex in LOS. Make that 5000 if the hotel cost is excluded. Like I've said before, I've gotten 6 or 7 figures of free poon value by regularly being in Asia over the years. So, yes, obviously the prices one pays back in the Western world or Far East or Middle East do matter when sex tourists are considering whether it will be worth it to make the trip or just stay home.
Prostitution illegal? Not. Search some old posts by Wolvenvaht the lawyer with the actual legal code translated into English.
So true. What I see on the street is almost appalling.Man after reading the thread on Bangkok and Thailand and going several pages back I have decided to not even leave the BKK airport. I get into Bangkok in the 21st and just booked a flight straight to PI. I went back 10-15 pages and not one positive thing said. The whole scene sounds kind of repulsive. Old worn out women and high prices. I should have read the thread before I booked a flight. Cost me an extra $240 to move on to the promise land. God knows I love PI.
Paul Kausch
10-30-14, 19:47
Man after reading the thread on Bangkok and Thailand and going several pages back I have decided to not even leave the BKK airport.On the other hand, I was last in Bangkok in June and had much fun as always and can't wait to be back in 3 weeks. I have a friend who is very experienced in the FKK mongering scene in Germany who upon his first visit found Bangkok and Pattaya to be fantastic and can't wait to return. I suppose it would be controversial to suggest some of the locals who post on the forum may be pooh poohing the scene to discourage people from visiting the land of smiles.
There are more than a few older, hardened women in Bangkok and the gogo girls in the bars are not as attractive as they were a few years ago, but the better escort agencies in Bangkok have attractive ladies who provide excellent service at an absolute bargain price, compared to escorts in North Amercia and Western Europe. There are many girls in the oilie MPs that cater to farangs who provide a good PSE. An iconic soapy like Nataree is filled with very attractive young women from Chiang Rai, reputed to be the home of Thailand's most beautiful women. The knock on Nataree was that the rooms were old and abysmal. In June I found them to be newly remodeled and very nice. The Nataree girls may speak no English and be inexperienced but if you have the right attitude it can be fun to teach a lovely 19 year old Thai girl who is eager to please a thing or two about sex. No FLs? In June I found many attractive, if not beautiful, ladies hanging in and around Thermae, and contrary to what some guys on the forum want you to believe, they took great interest in this farang.
Crocodilexp
10-30-14, 20:00
Man after reading the thread on Bangkok and Thailand and going several pages back I have decided to not even leave the BKK airport. All depends on your perspective. The last few pages of comments were generally written from the standpoint of long-term expats or repeat visitors who use Thailand 5-10 years ago or even in late 1990's as a reference. Compared to that, the scene is rather depressing in virtually every respect (selection, service, looks, price).
If you're coming from a fundamentalist sex-for-sale desert like Saudi Arabia or USA, Bangkok scene will look great. However, if you're from a non-stuck-up place with a passable PFP scene like Germany or Russia, I doubt Bangkok would impress. Scene seems larger (due to venues being more visible), prices can be lower (though not by much, especially if you count flights / hotel), and service is indeed still better (albeit inconsistent, and without stellar GFE which used to be the main draw). On the other hand, in the Frankfurt RLD or Moscow dosug ads, far better looks and more diversity can be found.
You can see the difference in perspective right here when some mongers talk about seeing superstars or lookalikes of Thai office girls in Nana Parking Lot, while to those familiar with Thailand they're obviously in the bottom 30% of Thai females by looks.
I wouldn't be willing to bet Thailand is worse than the Philippines. In fact, Bangkok is almost certainly better than Manila these days. Pattaya vs AC is also a tossup. Haven't been in the PI for many years (and honestly, didn't like it much when I went), but AC may have an advantage in more readily available GFE, whereas Pattaya has a bigger scene, somewhat better looking girls, and is overall more pleasant (safer, has non-mongering stuff to do).
In summary, skipping Bangkok might be OK, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend skipping Pattaya for AC.
I absolutely agree with every word you wrote. Things have declined seriously in Thailand and in general in many other destinations such as CR. The FL quality is just horrible now a days, I can't be paid enough to have sex with such plain looking women.
The world has changed a lot since 99. No one could imagine such a serious decline in western tourist in those days. And no one imagined Chinese and Indians becoming dominant travelers in 10 years but that's precisely what has happened. Most good looking or charming females don't need to enter P4P any more, they have lots of opportunities.
Spot on. The entire scene is in decline. It is headed in the direction all P4 P scenes head as nations develop and there is more opportunity for gals.
And change it has. It is a very dynamic place. The P4P scene has changed drastically since 99. And really none of the changes have been positive. Well, a few more gals are A+ and know what a rim job is, but other than that, meh.
In a few years there will be the high end and the low end. And nothing in the middle. Just like it is in the US.
Paul Kausch
10-30-14, 20:40
All depends on your perspective. The last few pages of comments were generally written from the standpoint of long-term expats or repeat visitors who use Thailand 5-10 years ago or even in late 1990's as a reference. Compared to that, the scene is rather depressing in virtually every respect (selection, service, looks, price).Bangkok is not what it was in the 90's or first decade of this century. Still, I would not call it depressing. I think some guy's gloomy perspective may be because the P4P scene is less affordable for them than it used to be. In contrast, compared to Southeast Florida (where I live), everything in Bangkok is a bargain, lodging, food, transportation and sex.
If you're coming from a fundamentalist sex-for-sale desert like Saudi Arabia or USA, Bangkok scene will look great. However, if you're from a non-stuck-up place with a passable PFP scene like Germany or Russia, I doubt Bangkok would impress.Are you serious? Lumping Saudi Arabia and the USA in the same category. I will be charitable and assume you are making a joke and not being a moron. Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post some men experienced in the German FKK scene really like Bangkok and Pattaya. The scenes are different. Each has its good points.
You can see the difference in perspective right here when some mongers talk about seeing superstars or lookalikes of Thai office girls in Nana Parking Lot, while to those familiar with Thailand they're obviously in the bottom 30% of Thai females by looks.I agree. I've seen absolutely stunning Pretties in Siam Paragon; the gentlemen's clubs have some very attractive women working in them; I've not seen any stunning women in the oilie MPs, gogos, bar beers or on the sidewalks. However, I know several ladies working in various MPs who I find attractive, are fun to be with and with whom I have great sex.
I wouldn't be willing to bet Thailand is worse than the Philippines. In fact, Bangkok is almost certainly better than Manila these days. Pattaya vs AC is also a tossup. Haven't been in the PI for many years (and honestly, didn't like it much when I went), but AC may have an advantage in more readily available GFE, whereas Pattaya has a bigger scene, somewhat better looking girls, and is overall more pleasant (safer, has non-mongering stuff to do).Natty Bumpo, whose opinions I respect, completed a swing through Asia with stops in the Philippines, Jakarta, Macau and Thailand as I recall. He wrote many excellent posts on these locations. It would be wise to read those. They are one man's opinion, but he is a very reasonable man with much experience.
In summary, skipping Bangkok might be OK, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend skipping Pattaya for AC.I might suggest skipping Pattaya but not Bangkok, but I won't, I recommend anyone traveling to Southeast Asia for the first time visit both Bangkok and Pattaya. Some may prefer one or the other; some may like both for various reasons.
Member #4698
10-30-14, 21:06
For the sake of full disclosure I recently visited BKK, Manila, Pattaya, AC and Subic.
BKK has much better food, better infrastructure (more choices in hotels at all price points + better transportation), and it is safer than Manila although Manila is not dangerous if you know how act in a large 3rd world city. There is much more to do during the day in BKK than in Manila.
Girls:
BKK girls on average are better looking than Manila Pinays. The key words are "on average"; because there are some great looking girls in Manila if you are willing to pay up for them. Which brings me to price:
Near the bottom rung, 1500 p ($34) to 2000 p ($45) gets you an MBC FL girl. They are very nice, but for the most part VERY PLAIN. Why some guys want to fly half way around the world to shag a plain girl they would be embarrassed to be seen out with in their home towns is a mystery to me, but guys do it all the time. There are plenty of plain girls in BKK and Pattaya too and they all seem to find customers. 555.
Then for a minimum of 4800 p ($107) you can move up in class and looks to an EDSA Entertainment Complex girl. The girls in my favorite bar in EDSA, the Cotton Club, are roughly on par with Nana Go Go girls you will find in RB4 only MUCH MORE GFE. That is the key difference. They are attractive Pinays and offer the GFE, but some guys can fuck that up too, so there is no guarantee of service if you are an Ass-hole.
Next up the ladder are Burgos Street bar girls. My favorite Burgos Bar is Bottoms and believe me they have some great girls. The price is not cheap! It is 3900 p for barfine and 4000 p for service or $176 total all in. Now they do credit Lady Drinks towards the barfine so if you buy your girl 10 shots of Tequila (10*390) there is no barfine. Ha Ha! Usually I bought around 4 Tequila shots for my girl while we went at it very hot and heavy in a booth, so the barfine was 2340 p (3900 p - 1560 p) or $52, but there was still the girl's fee of 4000 p ST or 5000 p LT ($89ST / $112 LT) that must be agreed upon.
And lastly, above Burgos Street Bars are the International Clubs and KTV's like Universe, Air Force 1, La La Land, Pharaohs KTV, and Classmates. Roughly expect to spend around 12000 p ($268) to shag a FHM model quality girl. This would be the equivalent of G-Club ing in BKK.
So the bottom line: Manila has great girls, but at a pretty steep price. It is definitely not cheaper than BKK. In fact, when paying up for quality, it is at least as expensive and sometimes a lot more so than BKK. What Manila girls have on average over Thai girls is the GFE. With the key words being "on average" because some of us can find plenty of GFE in BKK too. But until you try some Pinay GFE, you won't know what I am talking about. I like Makati and plan to spend 2 weeks there on my next trip forsaking AC and Subic. I love BKK and will spend twice as much time here on my next trip.
Paul Kausch
10-30-14, 23:50
For the sake of full disclosure I recently visited BKK, Manila, Pattaya, AC and Subic. I saw some excellent posts from you on the Macau thread about a month ago. After reading your preceding post I read them and noticed the visit was last spring. I didn't catch that until now.
This could very well be true, but I would still prefer Thai high end to the American equivalent. I am moving in this direction anyway with more interest in high end soapies and G Clubs as time goes by. But at present there are still friendly doable girls in oilies and sexy Go Go girls as well, so it is my opinion that BKK is still very good although not the bargain it once was. Comparatively, just check out prices in Makati Burgos Street Bars and Jakarta high end Bordellos like Alexis and Malioboro. Girlie prices are up universally! And the rise in prices is not just for Asian poontang. Check the price of coffee, bread, or tomatoes at Whole Foods in the good old USA. The prices on these basic commodities are through the roof. Real wages continue to decline in America. Maybe electing responsible leaders might stabilize prices and get the economy back on the right track. Maybe we are already too far into decline. I don't know. Me, I am going to party on until the lights get shut off.
But you, Goatscrot, you must have quite a few favorite massage girls and FL's in your address book. Prices for you, as an ex-pat local guy, must be significantly better than for me a 2 month a year traveler/visitor or a newbie just landing. My favorite Go Go girl asks nothing more than the original price she gave me back in 2010. Most of the time we meet up outside of her Go Go eliminating the barfine and the sex is MUCH BETTER now than it ever was. If I lived in BKK, I know I would have my favorite girls at my beck and call, dropping by my place all the time before and after work and I would be paying them wholesale not retail prices. Likewise, the oily massage parlors that you frequent must know you real well by now and I would expect that you are treated very well there.Natty and Paul, Respectfully, for the long term resident the prices and service in the US really have no bearing on Thailand. I live here and have for 15 years. So the only valid comparison is for an expat is then and now. And now is very different from then. But, hey I certainly understand your viewpoint.
While you are spot on (I have a few favorites from the oilies), it required quite a change in my modus operandi. For years I went out on average 4 nights a week, rarely if ever taking the same girl twice. Most nights in Thermae, Nana Disco, or even walking lower Suk I would have scads of girls to choose from. Everywhere you went in that area there were pretty great gals. Thermae was so packed by 2 am that you could hardly walk (it closed at 6 am) and Nana Disco was filled with amazingly good looking gals. There were gals everywhere. The volume was amazing. GoGos could be fun as well. Midnight was amazing before the "Arab" took it over. 500 baht included the BF and the ST room upstairs. Gals were very happy with 1000 baht. All drinks were 100 baht, lady drinks included. We were there at least twice a week in the back booth that smelled like cat [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). Also had a few private parties upstairs which were amazing.
In my eyes the decline started about the time of the 06 coup and accelerated rapidly after the floods a few years ago. Forced my hand to switch from a mainly FL guy to an oily guy.
The other aspect was the fun. Do a lap in Thermae and you would have countless gals grabbing your crotch asking to go with you. It was an incredible amount of fun. The "scene" has always been business for these gals, but now the fun element is missing.
Your operational strategy if you were a resident is right in the wheelhouse. That is what most guys do these days. They get a rotation and order in. I have a "regular" gal that lives with me, so that is not an option. If I lived alone, that is what I would.
I do agree that the price you come in at is the price you pay for the duration. That seems to be the case. However, I kind of cringe at the thought of seeing some of the gals that I did 15 years ago. Some would be 40 + now!
Don't get me wrong. I still love this city. Best food town on the planet. And cheap. Great coffee and of course really amazing looking women where ever you go.
I have great friends here. Most long term guys like myself. We don't run the bars when we go out. Once a week, we meet up, head out for a great meal, and go get a drink or two where we can talk.
Would I move here for the P4 P scene now? Probably not. It is great to have and I would not want to live in a place without availability, but frankly it is not what keeps me in BKK. So if either of you ever decide to settle here, rest assured it is an amazing town with so many other things to offer besides just gals.
For the sake of full disclosure I recently visited BKK, Manila, Pattaya, AC and Subic.
BKK has much better food, better infrastructure (more choices in hotels at all price points + better transportation), and it is safer than Manila although Manila is not dangerous if you know how act in a large 3rd world city. There is much more to do during the day in BKK than in Manila.
Girls:
BKK girls on average are better looking than Manila Pinays. The key words are "on average"; because there are some great looking girls in Manila if you are willing to pay up for them. Which brings me to price:
Near the bottom rung, 1500 p ($34) to 2000 p ($45) gets you an MBC FL girl. They are very nice, but for the most part VERY PLAIN. Why some guys want to fly half way around the world to shag a plain girl they would be embarrassed to be seen out with in their home towns is a mystery to me, but guys do it all the time. There are plenty of plain girls in BKK and Pattaya too and they all seem to find customers. 555.
Then for a minimum of 4800 p ($107) you can move up in class and looks to an EDSA Entertainment Complex girl. The girls in my favorite bar in EDSA, the Cotton Club, are roughly on par with Nana Go Go girls you will find in RB4 only MUCH MORE GFE. That is the key difference. They are attractive Pinays and offer the GFE, but some guys can fuck that up too, so there is no guarantee of service if you are an Ass-hole.
Next up the ladder are Burgos Street bar girls. My favorite Burgos Bar is Bottoms and believe me they have some great girls. The price is not cheap! It is 3900 p for barfine and 4000 p for service or $176 total all in. Now they do credit Lady Drinks towards the barfine so if you buy your girl 10 shots of Tequila (10*390) there is no barfine. Ha Ha! Usually I bought around 4 Tequila shots for my girl while we went at it very hot and heavy in a booth, so the barfine was 2340 p (3900 p - 1560 p) or $52, but there was still the girl's fee of 4000 p ST or 5000 p LT ($89ST / $112 LT) that must be agreed upon.
And lastly, above Burgos Street Bars are the International Clubs and KTV's like Universe, Air Force 1, La La Land, Pharaohs KTV, and Classmates. Roughly expect to spend around 12000 p ($268) to shag a FHM model quality girl. This would be the equivalent of G-Club ing in BKK.
So the bottom line: Manila has great girls, but at a pretty steep price. It is definitely not cheaper than BKK. In fact, when paying up for quality, it is at least as expensive and sometimes a lot more so than BKK. What Manila girls have on average over Thai girls is the GFE. With the key words being "on average" because some of us can find plenty of GFE in BKK too. But until you try some Pinay GFE, you won't know what I am talking about. I like Makati and plan to spend 2 weeks there on my next trip forsaking AC and Subic. I love BKK and will spend twice as much time here on my next trip.BKK is an amazing city. It has so much to offer. I have barely scratched the surface in 15 years.
Manila is kind of a pit. Phil food is abysmal. I do like Pinay gals though. Fluent English makes a difference.
Give us a PM next time you are in BKK. I will take you out to some great hole in the wall Thai places.
I absolutely agree with every word you wrote. Things have declined seriously in Thailand and in general in many other destinations such as CR. The FL quality is just horrible now a days, I can't be paid enough to have sex with such plain looking women.
The world has changed a lot since 99. No one could imagine such a serious decline in western tourist in those days. And no one imagined Chinese and Indians becoming dominant travelers in 10 years but that's precisely what has happened. Most good looking or charming females don't need to enter P4P any more, they have lots of opportunities.And the Chinese dudes have only just started to come. I shudder to think what the bars will look like in 5 years. There are lots of these dudes. The ratio of guys to gals in their country is not so good.
I know an American who lived in CR. He's been in Pattaya for a few years now & loves it.
For me I think BKK is as close to perfect as it gets. I've looked into a lot of places all over the world. Singapore, though, in Geylang, is to my taste, even better in some ways. That was a hidden gem that my research and investigations unearthed. As the saying goes, seek & you will find.
The cost of the airfare was already mentioned. Hotel is a non factor with travelers such as myself who have given up there residence back in farang land or are renting it out.
Otherwise if airfare is 1000 USD and a 30 day hotel stay in BKK is 1200 more, that's 2200 USD. If the guy does only one P4 P gal a day at a savings of 200 USD over what he'd pay back in the USA, that's 6000 USD saved. Subtract the 2200 and he's essentially getting 3800 USD worth of free sex in LOS. Make that 5000 if the hotel cost is excluded. Like I've said before, I've gotten 6 or 7 figures of free poon value by regularly being in Asia over the years. So, yes, obviously the prices one pays back in the Western world or Far East or Middle East do matter when sex tourists are considering whether it will be worth it to make the trip or just stay home.
Prostitution illegal? Not. Search some old posts by Wolvenvaht the lawyer with the actual legal code translated into English.I would agree with you about Geylang. I wish we had a brothel area like that in BKK. Fits my style to a tee. FLs and ST houses. Love it.
Solicitation is illegal here. That is why a "massage" is sold. I do look for changes in this given the current "government" and the changing status of women in this country.
In contrast, an elite escort in Miami, Florida charges US$2500 (and up) for 4 hours.
Another option here is thirty minutes with an attractive, ruthless stripper who makes gogo girls in Bangkok seem like sweet little girls. This local stripper will cost US$500 for 30 minutes of mechanical sex paid before the session starts, performed in a room that the club charges you US$125 to use; plus you will pay a US$20 tip to the doorman; and don't think this is optional. Finally after the session the girl will aggressively demand another US$100 tip. Failure to pay up risks creating a very unpleasant scene.
Be thankful for what you have.If I were a billionaire I wouldn't put up with that shit. I'd rather use my hand and look at porn than pay an "attractive" bytch to abuse my sensibilities and make me pay for the privilege.
Yes, I'm thankful for what I have in Pattaya -- everything I want and plenty more and the cost is still reasonable. I'm sure that Mr. Goat doesn't realize how lucky he is to live in Thailand.
Wolvenvacht
10-31-14, 03:05
BTW, prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Yes, it is "better" here than in the US. But enjoy it because I fear it won't be for long.OMB! How many times does it have to be repeated? Prostitution is NOT illegal in Thailand. Certain elements that go together with some forms of prostitution (but not prostitution itself) are punishable (many have only very low fines), such as soliciting on the street, creating a nuisance, pimping, under-age sex, . . .
And the "buyer" side of the business is totally legal, as young as you respect the age limits.
OMB! How many times does it have to be repeated? Prostitution is NOT illegal in Thailand. Certain elements that go together with some forms of prostitution (but not prostitution itself) are punishable (many have only very low fines), such as soliciting on the street, creating a nuisance, pimping, under-age sex, . . .
And the "buyer" side of the business is totally legal, as young as you respect the age limits.The definition of solicitation is interpreted loosely. If one does not pay the "piper" then one's business can easily be placed in violation.
If I were a billionaire I wouldn't put up with that shit. I'd rather use my hand and look at porn than pay an "attractive" bytch to abuse my sensibilities and make me pay for the privilege.
Yes, I'm thankful for what I have in Pattaya -- everything I want and plenty more and the cost is still reasonable. I'm sure that Mr. Goat doesn't realize how lucky he is to live in Thailand.Dude, I have been here for 15 years FFS. I still like BKK and still like living in Thailand. And that is despite it being twice as expensive all around and 25% as fun P4P wise as it used to be. I would rather swallow a pistol than live in the US again. Fundy Christians, militant feminists, right wing conservative nut jobs; no thanks! But, knowing the changes I have seen, I would not move to Thailand now if sex was my only interest. And truthfully most of my long term expat friends feel the same way. Most of us moved her for the chicks but we stay long term for other reasons. I am very grateful that I got to experience what I did. It was amazing. Not just Thailand but Cambo in its heyday.
And you know what? I won't put up with a lot of shit the gals here pull now days. I feel exactly as you stated in your first paragraph. That is why I partake far less now.
BTW, I used to love Pattaya as well. Was there at least once a month during my first 7 years here. During low season you could have shot a cannon down Sois 7 and 8 and not hit anyone. Girls aplenty and no dudes. When the Starbucks at Soi 13 opened we used to sit upstairs all afternoon shooting the shit. Rarely would there be anyone else up there. Pattaya is just too crowded these days, not to mention the unsavory demographics. I admire you for being able to live there.
Wolvenvacht
10-31-14, 03:18
The definition of solicitation is interpreted loosely. If one does not pay the "piper" then one's business can easily be placed in violation."Solicitation": I agree. But I have never seen or heard a conviction for "prostitution" in Thailand. As we are talking legal concepts and definitions you have to be careful with what you say and not tell the other members things which are clearly and plainly wrong.
I have been here for 15 years FFS. I still like BKK and still like living in Thailand. And that is despite it being twice as expensive all around and 25% as fun P4P wise as it used to be. I would rather swallow a pistol than live in the US again. Fundy Christians, militant feminists, right wing conservative nut jobs; no thanks! But, knowing the changes I have seen, I would not move to Thailand now if sex was my only interest. And truthfully most of my long term expat friends feel the same way. Most of us moved her for the chicks but we stay long term for other reasons. I am very grateful that I got to experience what I did. It was amazing. Not just Thailand but Cambo in its heyday. Glad to know that you still like BKK and Thailand despite all the changes since 1999, Goat. The majority of your reports have been so depressingly negative of late that it made me think you have become sour on the Land of Smiles. That would be a shame as I imagine we both agree that Thailand beats the USA hands down on many levels as a good place to live.
We're both Americans; we both can't stand the fundy Christians; militant feminists; right wing conservative nut jobs, and all the rest of it. I came to live here in Thailand to escape that and so did you. I can't think of a better country to live in taking all things into consideration right now than Thailand. No one on this forum has argued seriously that there are better countries to live in for mongering expats than Thailand when all things are considered such as cost of living, infrastructure, personal freedoms, safety, and availability of willing girls, and on and on.
Honestly, the only negative aspect I've noticed in my 7 years living here is that prices for P4 P have gone up significantly. Cost of living otherwise has remained about the same. In 2006 I could enjoy ST with a go-go stunner for 1000 baht; 2000 for LT. So yes, the price has doubled; it's gone from $30 US to $60 for sex with a beautiful woman; still a tremendous bargain IMHO.
There are just as many if not more girls working here today as ever. They keep coming to Pattaya by the busload. The go-go bars have lots of cuties. I strolled down a short stretch of Beach Road a few nights ago and spotted at least 10 young cuties looking for customers. Whether there are 100 or 10 all you really need is one and I can always find enough to satisfy my tastes.
Be honest, Goat. How many of your girls in 1999 were willing to rim and deep throat you PSE style as compared to today? Not that many I suspect. Maybe your expectations for having a good time with Thai girls is a bit too high.
BTW my condo is in Jomtien, which is far away from the crowds of unsavory characters you'll find in some areas of Pattaya.
I'm certain that in your 15 years living in Thailand you possess a wealth of information about the positive aspects of BKK which would benefit me and others on this forum far more than the negative stuff.
Tell us about the good stuff, Goat!
Robert Long
10-31-14, 06:57
If I were a billionaire I wouldn't put up with that shit. I'd rather use my hand and look at porn than pay an "attractive" bytch to abuse my sensibilities and make me pay for the privilege.
Yes, I'm thankful for what I have in Pattaya -- everything I want and plenty more and the cost is still reasonable. I'm sure that Mr. Goat doesn't realize how lucky he is to live in Thailand.I live in Hawaii and the cost of living is insane. Just trying to sell my business and I am out of here. We used to windsurf Jomtien Beach back in the late 80's. Then the last year we went they had just started to build the first Condotell. I wonder what it looks like now? I have a house in Bali and will retire there soon.
Aloha.
RL.
Glad to know that you still like BKK and Thailand despite all the changes since 1999, Goat. The majority of your reports have been so depressingly negative of late that it made me think you have become sour on the Land of Smiles. That would be a shame as I imagine we both agree that Thailand beats the USA hands down on many levels as a good place to live.
We're both Americans; we both can't stand the fundy Christians; militant feminists; right wing conservative nut jobs, and all the rest of it. I came to live here in Thailand to escape that and so did you. I can't think of a better country to live in taking all things into consideration right now than Thailand. No one on this forum has argued seriously that there are better countries to live in for mongering expats than Thailand when all things are considered such as cost of living, infrastructure, personal freedoms, safety, and availability of willing girls, and on and on.
Honestly, the only negative aspect I've noticed in my 7 years living here is that prices for P4 P have gone up significantly. Cost of living otherwise has remained about the same. In 2006 I could enjoy ST with a go-go stunner for 1000 baht; 2000 for LT. So yes, the price has doubled; it's gone from $30 US to $60 for sex with a beautiful woman; still a tremendous bargain IMHO.
There are just as many if not more girls working here today as ever. They keep coming to Pattaya by the busload. The go-go bars have lots of cuties. I strolled down a short stretch of Beach Road a few nights ago and spotted at least 10 young cuties looking for customers. Whether there are 100 or 10 all you really need is one and I can always find enough to satisfy my tastes.
Be honest, Goat. How many of your girls in 1999 were willing to rim and deep throat you PSE style as compared to today? Not that many I suspect. Maybe your expectations for having a good time with Thai girls is a bit too high.
BTW my condo is in Jomtien, which is far away from the crowds of unsavory characters you'll find in some areas of Pattaya.
I'm certain that in your 15 years living in Thailand you possess a wealth of information about the positive aspects of BKK which would benefit me and others on this forum far more than the negative stuff.
Tell us about the good stuff, Goat!I would say there are just as many gals in Pattaya now as there were then. BKK is a different story.
Overall cost of living, not counting P4 P is easily 100% more than in 99. Of course the baht was at 40+ then as well. So there is 25% and inflation has been mad really.
Personally of all the countries in the region that I have "hobbied" in, I must say that Indo provides the best overall gals. Looks, performance, etc. No shyness as with many Thai gals, voluptuous women, and very highly sexually charged. But, I could not live in Jakarta. BKK is a much better and more user friendly place to hang one's hat.
Um, well very few gals would rim, but most back in the "day" would do you like they were with a boyfriend they were very turned on by. They wanted to get off and have a good time. I really don't find that as much here.
Really, the P4 P scene gets little of my time and attention these days. I hit the oilies a few times a month and when I meet a friend out might hit the FL venues once a month, although I rarely partake from them. Food, socializing, the indie music scene, all get far more of my attention these days. But don't get me wrong, I am damn glad I can get laid whenever I want. I just really miss the fun times. It was this free for all party every night. Then the "social order" crackdown came in 02 and things started to change a bit.
What's great here? Food! Man, this has to be the greatest food city on the planet bar none. For those of you senior members out there, PM me when you are in town and I will take you to some amazing Thai places; well off the beaten path. The indie music scene is also quite fun. Start a band and you can get gigs!
Dude I hope that Soi 6 prices have not doubled. Twas my favorite street in Thailand.
"Solicitation": I agree. But I have never seen or heard a conviction for "prostitution" in Thailand. As we are talking legal concepts and definitions you have to be careful with what you say and not tell the other members things which are clearly and plainly wrong.Wolv, with the current military gov and the imposition of martial law the army and police have carte blanche. Best to be well aware of what one is doing. Remember there is no Constitution at this point.
Crocodilexp
10-31-14, 07:44
And the Chinese dudes have only just started to come. I shudder to think what the bars will look like in 5 years. There are lots of these dudes. The ratio of guys to gals in their country is not so good.While in China male to female ratio is poor, there is no shortage of working girls at all price levels in different sorts of venues. Service tends to be abysmal (due to Chinese grab-the-money-and-run mentality), but there is no shortage.
I don't see why single Chinese guys would come to Thailand for mongering. Shagging at home is almost certainly cheaper (if travel costs are included), and despite better service, I doubt the bottom-of-the-barrel Issan girl are really their cup of tea.
They might go for the Rachada soapies, but I doubt we're on the verge of a Chinese invasion on currently Farang-oriented naughty bars (Indians are a different matter). In fact, despite Mainland Chinese already being the #1 visitor group in Thailand, I can't recall ever running into a PRC monger in Thailand (the Chinese I did see were overseas / Malaysian / Taiwanese etc).
Of course, hard to know for sure what the future will bring, you might turn out correct in the end.
While in China male to female ratio is poor, there is no shortage of working girls at all price levels in different sorts of venues. Service tends to be abysmal (due to Chinese grab-the-money-and-run mentality), but there is no shortage.
I don't see why single Chinese guys would come to Thailand for mongering. Shagging at home is almost certainly cheaper (if travel costs are included), and despite better service, I doubt the bottom-of-the-barrel Issan girl are really their cup of tea.
They might go for the Rachada soapies, but I doubt we're on the verge of a Chinese invasion on currently Farang-oriented naughty bars (Indians are a different matter). In fact, despite Mainland Chinese already being the #1 visitor group in Thailand, I can't recall ever running into a PRC monger in Thailand (the Chinese I did see were overseas / Malaysian / Taiwanese etc).
Of course, hard to know for sure what the future will bring, you might turn out correct in the end.Dude, I hope you are right. I would hate to see thousands of ill mannered mainland males running around BKK chasing skirt. With the current crackdown in China that seems to be lasting they might be here sooner than we think! Yikes.
What's great here? Food! Man, this has to be the greatest food city on the planet bar none. For those of you senior members out there, PM me when you are in town and I will take you to some amazing Thai places; well off the beaten path. The indie music scene is also quite fun. Start a band and you can get gigs! That's what I want to hear; won't be starting a band anytime soon but this old codger still loves good food, Jack Daniels Tennessee whiskey, and pretty young girls so I'll definitely take you up on your offer to show me the good stuff the next time I'm in BKK.
Regards, Daddy.
?.....BKK girls on average are better looking than Manila Pinays. The key words are "on average"; because there are some great looking girls in Manila if you are willing to pay up for them...Natty,
Excellent FR as usual. I notice your on average note.
Someone once said that he had no use for averages. If you've got one foot in a bucket of boiling water and the other in a bucket of ice, he said, on average you should be feeling fine.
Or this one: Just because your left foot is in a bucket of ice water and your right foot is in a bucket of boiling water doesn't mean that, on average, your balls are comfortable (Luke Marusiak book).
FreebieFan
10-31-14, 10:19
Dude, I hope you are right. I would hate to see thousands of ill mannered mainland males running around BKK chasing skirt. With the current crackdown in China that seems to be lasting they might be here sooner than we think! Yikes.Theres a few reasons why I don't think it will happen. And I live in China.
Firstly, Chinese tend to play with other Chinese. They think the dark Thais and Filipinas are beneath them and they just arent attracted to them. Taiwanese are happy with Filipinas but not mainland Chinese.
Second, they know Pattaya and Bangkok, but only when they are with large tour groups being taken from restaurant to shop to bus tour etc. They are comfortable doing that.
Third, language. They are scared of being ripped off and know they can't speak so well, yet.
Fourth Chinese men, however horny they are in China, just don't seem to be very horny outside China. If they travel they like to go with their own GF, in a tour group. They just haven't evolved to all male travel groups, yet.
Fifth, Chinese government regularly posts warnings about the dangers of going to other travels. Because two Chinese traders got kidnapped in Cotobato deeply South Philippines, the Chinese Min Foreign Affairs made an advisory to ALL Chinese not to travel. Same advisory after Thai coup. And many Chinese are wary of international travel anyways.
I had a GF here, wonderfully big boobs, she was 23 and had no passport. Her mom wouldn't let her get a passport because " other countries arent safe ".
I think all of us who monger in south west Asia are safe from hordes of Chinese for a while.
TesterTester
10-31-14, 10:26
Dude, I have been here for 15 years FFS. I still like BKK and still like living in Thailand. And that is despite it being twice as expensive all around and 25% as fun P4P wise as it used to be. I would rather swallow a pistol than live in the US again. Fundy Christians, militant feminists, right wing conservative nut jobs; no thanks! But, knowing the changes I have seen, I would not move to Thailand now if sex was my only interest. And truthfully most of my long term expat friends feel the same way. Most of us moved her for the chicks but we stay long term for other reasons. I am very grateful that I got to experience what I did. It was amazing. Not just Thailand but Cambo in its heyday.
And you know what? I won't put up with a lot of shit the gals here pull now days. I feel exactly as you stated in your first paragraph. That is why I partake far less now.
BTW, I used to love Pattaya as well. Was there at least once a month during my first 7 years here. During low season you could have shot a cannon down Sois 7 and 8 and not hit anyone. Girls aplenty and no dudes. When the Starbucks at Soi 13 opened we used to sit upstairs all afternoon shooting the shit. Rarely would there be anyone else up there. Pattaya is just too crowded these days, not to mention the unsavory demographics. I admire you for being able to live there.Goat, what are the "unsavory demographics" in Pattaya? I haven't been there for years. Always have short trips, so only explore BKK for about 5 years now.
Please cite your sources. Or are we to simply take your word for it?
Tourist arrivals are up, year over year, at least up through 2013. The numbers for 2014 aren't in yet. However, many other sources claim that, although gross tourist numbers are up, business in the bars is down. It's very hard to obtain and retain staff. Fewer girls = fewer customers. But you seem to have some inside knowledge, so please be kind enough to share. Where are these hordes of sex tourists going, whose services are they using?
Oh, and $100+ short times is hardly "more bang for your buck" compared to many places.It's well known that Thailand has been a top world tourist destination for many years now. And that inspite of all the political, natural & other disasters it has continually faced. The Koh Tao murders being one of the most recent.
The year 2014, of course, is a slow year for tourism due to the protests, curfews, the high season being a low season & so forth. The trend in the past decade or two is when such things occur the rate of tourism slows a bit or levels for a while. Then a few months later it starts to skyrocket again.
Therefore 2014 has been an excellent year for the hobby, as evidenced by ISG reports. Fewer tourists always means less guys competing for the hotter ladies & the providing of better attitudes and services. I expect periods like this to continue in Siam for years to come because history repeats itself & the leopard can't remove its spots.
I'm from Canada where 200 to 300 dollars is a quite common price range for independents. Compare that to Thailand at around 7 to 10 times less than that or 1000 baht. Moreover Canada is about to make the buying of sex illegal & a criminal offence. So Asia is sounding better all the time!
That's what I want to hear; won't be starting a band anytime soon but this old codger still loves good food, Jack Daniels Tennessee whiskey, and pretty young girls so I'll definitely take you up on your offer to show me the good stuff the next time I'm in BKK.
Regards, Daddy.And you won't be disappointed. Goat is a cool guy to hang with. Hey, change that gawd-awful one-step-up-from-moonshine JD to a fine single malt, and I'll join the both of you. :)
Goat, what are the "unsavory demographics" in Pattaya? I haven't been there for years. Always have short trips, so only explore BKK for about 5 years now.Unfortunately, Pattaya has, over the years, become haven to just about every weirdo and piece of human debris that has washed up on the shores of SEA.
Visiting Patts for brief periods can be a bit of fun, and the prices are cheaper than BKK, and you can see an interesting cross-section of humanity. But living there every day? <shudder .
Read a few of the online Pattaya-based news sites and be regaled by stories of fucked-up Eurotrash jumping out of windows, child molesters, desperate guys ripping off hookers, you get the picture.
I'm not suggesting that any member of this August board fits that profile. But, overall, the demographics of the long-term Pattaya residents skews sharply to the low end of the scale.
It's well known that Thailand has been a top world tourist destination for many years now. And that inspite of all the political, natural & other disasters it has continually faced. The Koh Tao murders being one of the most recent.
The year 2014, of course, is a slow year for tourism due to the protests, curfews, the high season being a low season & so forth. The trend in the past decade or two is when such things occur the rate of tourism slows a bit or levels for a while. Then a few months later it starts to skyrocket again.
Therefore 2014 has been an excellent year for the hobby, as evidenced by ISG reports. Fewer tourists always means less guys competing for the hotter ladies & the providing of better attitudes and services. I expect periods like this to continue in Siam for years to come because history repeats itself & the leopard can't remove its spots.
I'm from Canada where 200 to 300 dollars is a quite common price range for independents. Compare that to Thailand at around 7 to 10 times less than that or 1000 baht. Moreover Canada is about to make the buying of sex illegal & a criminal offence. So Asia is sounding better all the time!Um, you are not familiar with the Thai pricing model? Less business, raise the prices!
Tourism could be down as much as 20% or more this year and methinks folks are really turned off to Thailand at the moment for many reasons. The teflon has worn off.
Maybe Pattaya is different, but in BKK there are fewer and fewer gals. And what you pay in Canada really means nothing here.
And you won't be disappointed. Goat is a cool guy to hang with. Hey, change that gawd-awful one-step-up-from-moonshine JD to a fine single malt, and I'll join the both of you. :)Would be my pleasure. Got a great place with craft beer and good whisky at great prices here as well. Was great having beers with Phord some months ago!
Goat, what are the "unsavory demographics" in Pattaya? I haven't been there for years. Always have short trips, so only explore BKK for about 5 years now.Well, it has become overrun with Russians for one.
Julius Peepers
10-31-14, 22:21
My most recent visit to Pattaya (a year ago) there was an abundance of normal tourists led by a flag waving captain. Also there was the usual bag of Russians, Indians, Persians, and Pakis.
The only thing that threw me off was if a Thai girl was freelancing or a tourist. Could I invoke the rule of thumb the pretty girls were tourists and the ugly ones "on the clock"?
Um, you are not familiar with the Thai pricing model? Less business, raise the prices!
Tourism could be down as much as 20% or more this year and methinks folks are really turned off to Thailand at the moment for many reasons. The teflon has worn off.
Maybe Pattaya is different, but in BKK there are fewer and fewer gals. And what you pay in Canada really means nothing here.I've read that hotel prices are less in the low season, though mine stays constant year round. As for girls, I've had no problem sticking to the basic 1000 baht street walker price at any time in the past 7 years. If gogos up their rates in the low season, I've never heard of it.
People have been predicting the demise of Thai tourism for years, but it just keeps booming. As they say, sex sells. Some 40 percent of visitors are repeats in LOS, compared to Vietnam at 6 percent, no foreigner boom boom industry to speak of & Westernization 2 decades behind the Kingdom.
Fewer girls? Haven't noticed, as I only go to one place. To my observations the Nana Parking Lot vicinity seems to have remained much the same in numbers through the past 7 years, in spite of reports of constant LE raids.
As previously mentioned, the quality of looks is relatively high there of late with lots of new young blood. Perhaps less appealing to those who like curvy females, who are excessively fat to my tastes, but perfect for members such as Opebo & I who prefer them in the range of slim to anorexic.
What I pay in Canada means I'm making a huge savings by purchasing sex here in BKK instead. It's like buying a no name product of way better quality for 10 times less than a branded one. Just brilliant shopping.
I've read that hotel prices are less in the low season, though mine stays constant year round. As for girls, I've had no problem sticking to the basic 1000 baht street walker price at any time in the past 7 years. If gogos up their rates in the low season, I've never heard of it.
People have been predicting the demise of Thai tourism for years, but it just keeps booming. As they say, sex sells. Some 40 percent of visitors are repeats in LOS, compared to Vietnam at 6 percent, no foreigner boom boom industry to speak of & Westernization 2 decades behind the Kingdom.
Fewer girls? Haven't noticed, as I only go to one place. To my observations the Nana Parking Lot vicinity seems to have remained much the same in numbers through the past 7 years, in spite of reports of constant LE raids.
As previously mentioned, the quality of looks is relatively high there of late with lots of new young blood. Perhaps less appealing to those who like curvy females, who are excessively fat to my tastes, but perfect for members such as Opebo & I who prefer them in the range of slim to anorexic.
What I pay in Canada means I'm making a huge savings by purchasing sex here in BKK instead. It's like buying a no name product of way better quality for 10 times less than a branded one. Just brilliant shopping.Yea, I really don't like "bone racks" as my friends who likes very thin girls calls them.
Tourism has not "boomed" in over 12 months. Methinks they might finally have done some damage to the golden goose.
The vast majority of tourists are not here for sex. They are here for a cheap beach holiday. That is why incidents like Koh Tao have such a huge effect. And believe it or not many folks are very turned off by a military government.
With you on the 1 k. That is all I would pay a street gal as well.
But, as I said the pickins' are slim.
Fewer girls? Haven't noticed, as I only go to one place. To my observations the Nana Parking Lot vicinity seems to have remained much the same in numbers through the past 7 years, in spite of reports of constant LE raids.My memories of Nana Parking were a bit before that. Back in the "good old days" at 2 am when the Plaza would close, hundreds of gals would come streaming out after work. 90% of them were looking for work. You could stand at the exit or across the street in the lot and scads of gals would come up and ask, "Go with you?" It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Literally hundreds of girls. And everyone of them was happy with 1 k baht.
Of course now GoGo gals make so much they are no interested in a trick after work anymore.
Shame.
EastonWest
11-01-14, 07:33
I went to Nana and in most the bars I found older (30's) girls with flabby post-preggo tummies and too much make-up. It was difficult to find a 20 year old cutie.
I wasn't too attracted to the the majority of these girls. Not only were the looks not my style (for money, if it were free; ok). And the attitudes were a little intimidating.
Where have you found a more relaxed place where you can just point out one girl and have a chat first with out hordes of girls rubbing up?
Tourism has not "boomed" in over 12 months. Methinks they might finally have done some damage to the golden goose.
The vast majority of tourists are not here for sex. They are here for a cheap beach holiday. That is why incidents like Koh Tao have such a huge effect. And believe it or not many folks are very turned off by a military government.Was told today Nana Hotel is up from 40 to 70 percent occupancy & increasing daily. The high season in the next several months may indicate whether or not things will start booming again. An election could help. If tourism don't recover then the quality mongering should remain relatively high.
My memories of Nana Parking were a bit before that. Back in the "good old days" at 2 am when the Plaza would close, hundreds of gals would come streaming out after work. 90% of them were looking for work. You could stand at the exit or across the street in the lot and scads of gals would come up and ask, "Go with you?" It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Literally hundreds of girls. And everyone of them was happy with 1 k baht.
Of course now GoGo gals make so much they are no interested in a trick after work anymore.
Shame.Gogo girls probably don't won't want to hand over 1000 baht to LE raiding the street girls. Or the shame involved in that or being carted off to the station. Though many of them are open to a safe discreet hookup outside of their working hours. Others don't want to be seen with non Japanese customers.
Therefore many ladies of the street have moved to other areas of the business, like freelance restaurants, night clubs, gentleman's venues, massage & coffee shops.
Sex trade workers also have other options that weren't available or popular a decade or two ago. Online escorting, dating sites, craigslist, coyote girls & the list goes on.
Then there's the more lucrative work in other parts of the world, most of which you can find TGs in, whether it's Singapore, Japan, Germany or the Middle East.
Also as a recent post mentioned, a lot of PFP TGs, often homely lookers like you see the photo thread chock full of, are scooped up by foreigners as wives, mistresses, GFs, house keepers, sugar babys & sponsored ladies.
Yea, I really don't like "bone racks" as my friends who likes very thin girls calls them.
Tourism has not "boomed" in over 12 months. Methinks they might finally have done some damage to the golden goose.
The vast majority of tourists are not here for sex. They are here for a cheap beach holiday. That is why incidents like Koh Tao have such a huge effect. And believe it or not many folks are very turned off by a military government.
With you on the 1 k. That is all I would pay a street gal as well.
But, as I said the pickins' are slim.I could not agree with the comment about they are there for a cheap holiday and not sex. That statement is even more true for Pattaya. So many guys here brought there girlfriend and husbands brought their wives.
LuvAsianTang
11-02-14, 03:22
It's well known that Thailand has been a top world tourist destination for many years now. And that inspite of all the political, natural & other disasters it has continually faced. The Koh Tao murders being one of the most recent.
The year 2014, of course, is a slow year for tourism due to the protests, curfews, the high season being a low season & so forth. The trend in the past decade or two is when such things occur the rate of tourism slows a bit or levels for a while. Then a few months later it starts to skyrocket again.
Therefore 2014 has been an excellent year for the hobby, as evidenced by ISG reports. Fewer tourists always means less guys competing for the hotter ladies & the providing of better attitudes and services. I expect periods like this to continue in Siam for years to come because history repeats itself & the leopard can't remove its spots.
I'm from Canada where 200 to 300 dollars is a quite common price range for independents. Compare that to Thailand at around 7 to 10 times less than that or 1000 baht. Moreover Canada is about to make the buying of sex illegal & a criminal offence. So Asia is sounding better all the time!Pink where in Canada are you living? I can drive up to vancouver and enjoy a 45 minute FS session for 150 canadian dollars with a sweet chinese girl, in many of the massage parlors. This is why I don't use the independents for my pooning needs in ca. If you need more info to partake at this price range just look at PERB ca for reports. I've been making the journey for many years from the greater seattle area.
Hope this helps, happy pooning, LAT.
Was told today Nana Hotel is up from 40 to 70 percent occupancy & increasing daily. The high season in the next several months may indicate whether or not things will start booming again. An election could help. If tourism don't recover then the quality mongering should remain relatively high.Don't count on an election till 2016. Gen Prayuth has already indicated that might be the case.
Gogo girls probably don't won't want to hand over 1000 baht to LE raiding the street girls. Or the shame involved in that or being carted off to the station. Though many of them are open to a safe discreet hookup outside of their working hours. Others don't want to be seen with non Japanese customers.
Therefore many ladies of the street have moved to other areas of the business, like freelance restaurants, night clubs, gentleman's venues, massage & coffee shops.
Sex trade workers also have other options that weren't available or popular a decade or two ago. Online escorting, dating sites, craigslist, coyote girls & the list goes on.
Then there's the more lucrative work in other parts of the world, most of which you can find TGs in, whether it's Singapore, Japan, Germany or the Middle East.
Also as a recent post mentioned, a lot of PFP TGs, often homely lookers like you see the photo thread chock full of, are scooped up by foreigners as wives, mistresses, GFs, house keepers, sugar babys & sponsored ladies.All quite true. But the main reason is that there are far more economic opportunities outside of the P4 P industry. A gal can actually make a living in a restaurant or store where she could not 10 years ago. Given the choice of working a "legit" job for a living wage or in the P4 P industry for considerably more money, most women will choose the former. So then you end up with a scene like you have in most developed nations. You have a high end and low end and very little in the middle. I think this is where the scene in LOS is headed. And faster than we would all like.
I went to Nana and in most the bars I found older (30's) girls with flabby post-preggo tummies and too much make-up. It was difficult to find a 20 year old cutie.
I wasn't too attracted to the the majority of these girls. Not only were the looks not my style (for money, if it were free; ok). And the attitudes were a little intimidating.
Where have you found a more relaxed place where you can just point out one girl and have a chat first with out hordes of girls rubbing up?As Pink points out, lookers in the P4 P industry are not in GoGos any more. Many are working their own game on the net. Real lookers are able to snag Thai sugar daddies.
What's left? The lazy, fat, old, or just plain dumb.
Thermae used to be that type of place. Of course at Soapies you can call the gal out of the bowl and have a drink with her if you want. But I don't think that is what you are eluding to.
I could not agree with the comment about they are there for a cheap holiday and not sex. That statement is even more true for Pattaya. So many guys here brought there girlfriend and husbands brought their wives.The plan for Pattaya is a cheap family beach holiday location. I would imagine that the sex trade there will be eliminated slowly. They won't "crackdown" or close most bars, it will just become harder and harder to make a profit with a bar. Beach Rd will certainly be cleaned up. There will always be the "bars" on Walking Street but they will be more of a novelty; think the "naughty places" on Bourbon St in NO.
Its just development.
Pink where in Canada are you living? I can drive up to vancouver and enjoy a 45 minute FS session for 150 canadian dollars with a sweet chinese girl, in many of the massage parlors. This is why I don't use the independents for my pooning needs in ca. If you need more info to partake at this price range just look at PERB ca for reports. I've been making the journey for many years from the greater seattle area.
Hope this helps, happy pooning, LAT.I seem to recall PERB saying AMP ladies tend to be older. In Pattaya you can get a street walker for about 10 times less than what you pay in Canada. But, then, the airfare would be pricey & the trip much longer. To make it worthwhile cost wise you'd need to stay for at least a week, I suppose.
If you're coming from a fundamentalist sex-for-sale desert like Saudi Arabia or USA, Bangkok scene will look great. However, if you're from a non-stuck-up place with a passable PFP scene like Germany or Russia, I doubt Bangkok would impress. Scene seems larger (due to venues being more visible), prices can be lower (though not by much, especially if you count flights / hotel), and service is indeed still better (albeit inconsistent, and without stellar GFE which used to be the main draw). On the other hand, in the Frankfurt RLD or Moscow dosug ads, far better looks and more diversity can be found.
You can see the difference in perspective right here when some mongers talk about seeing superstars or lookalikes of Thai office girls in Nana Parking Lot, while to those familiar with Thailand they're obviously in the bottom 30% of Thai females by looks. I'm from "passable" Canada, but Thailand is in another league of the elite mongering destinations. Germany & PI are of the most popular in the world as well for sex tourism, though Russia seldom gets a mention. I'm not familiar with Saudi Arabia, but assume it's bottom of the barrel like the USA.
The bottom 30 percent of female Thais in looks? First place I'd look is where you can find the over 50 crowd. In the Nana PFP scene Beergarden or Annies would be one of my first stops or some bars not far from NEP.
NPL actually gets some of those "office girls" working there. They don't make much money & if an emergency need ever arose, or just the desire for the latest electronic device or brand name clothes, an attractive gal can pull 150 K per month on the street.
For fresh sweet young faces coming from the North the NPL is famous & the easiest place for a gal looking for some dough to make quick hookups. Ditto for the punter.
What's a superstar to you? You could define it in many words. Or use a picture which is said to be worth 1000.
OTOH from recent pics from gogos in this thread, almost without exception I wouldn't be doing them for free, let alone 2000 + 600 baht plus.
Some people just need to get out more. Especially on a Friday night, low season, or when it's time to pay loom.It is an endless and impossible debate. Everyone has different tastes in women. If these girls are Superstars to you that is great. I don't see it. I live here. On soi 4. I see these girls every day. I also see that they often do 5-10 tricks a day. I have seen most of them over a number of years. The same faces. The same body. But aging rapidly. There have been so few new girls in the street game that nearly every girl you see out there has been in this trade for years. Every now and then a new young girl will show up. And generally disappear within a few days once she sees what the scene is. Its not just the cops harassing them, the low wage (relative to what girls in other venues get) but it is also the customers. Groups of Indians and Arabs. Who surround them with offers of 1000 baht to do all of them. As every one is saying the freelancer scene is drying up fast. People say moved to the Internet. Please tell me where. But the street scene is a shadow of what it was 5 years ago. And a shadow of a shadow of what it was 10 years ago. I am not talking about quality as that is subjective but the numbers are drastically lower. But at the end of the day you are having a great time and that is all that matters.
Commonglass
11-02-14, 05:51
I started reading the Bangkok forum nearly 12 years ago. It was the stuff of fantasy. Beautiful loving Thai girls that threw themselves at you for almost no money. Wild times. Etcetera, etcetera. I could only afford US and Mexican destinations, so I dreamed of Bangkok for another day. Now that I finally made the journey, I'm pretty unimpressed. The bars have mostly unattractive girls. Hottie freelancers and escorts are pretty close to US prices and US attitude. I was quoted 3k baht from a hottie freelancer at Climax last night and the internet escorts are in the 4k-9k baht range. I got a soapie at Annies that set me back 2500 baht for mostly 3 g service.
Everyone from the girls to the taxi drivers to the waiters seem to be involved in some sort of tourist shakedown.
The winners in this game seem to fall into two categories:
(1) Young superstuds who are bagging approximately the same quality girls that they would get in the US.
(2) Resident expats. I saw some older gentleman (probably from this board) with some STUNNING young Thai girlfriends. These were women that they had clearly spent time finding and cultivating. Also, I'm betting a lot of these gentlemen spoke Thai.
I didn't see many short time tourists doing very well in terms of quality either in Bangkok or Pattaya. The only 9's and 10's that gave me the time of day were ladyboys. Given the cost of coming out here, I think Tijuana is a much better mongering destination.
It is an endless and impossible debate. Everyone has different tastes in women. If these girls are Superstars to you that is great. I don't see it. I live here. On soi 4. I see these girls every day. I also see that they often do 5-10 tricks a day. I have seen most of them over a number of years. The same faces. The same body. But aging rapidly. There have been so few new girls in the street game that nearly every girl you see out there has been in this trade for years. Every now and then a new young girl will show up. And generally disappear within a few days once she sees what the scene is. Its not just the cops harassing them, the low wage (relative to what girls in other venues get) but it is also the customers. Groups of Indians and Arabs. Who surround them with offers of 1000 baht to do all of them. As every one is saying the freelancer scene is drying up fast. People say moved to the Internet. Please tell me where. But the street scene is a shadow of what it was 5 years ago. And a shadow of a shadow of what it was 10 years ago. I am not talking about quality as that is subjective but the numbers are drastically lower. But at the end of the day you are having a great time and that is all that matters.That's a pretty bleak picture you paint. I wonder how balanced, objective or factual it is. I've lived in BKK half of every year for the past 7 within 50 yards of this scene & hobbies almost exclusively on the street at or near the NPL. I have nothing to gain by not telling it like it is, though there has been at least one poster here who was clearly promoting Rainbow gogos, trashing the street scene & may have been receiving some kickbacks for it.
In 7 years I recall only one time I've seen what may have been an Indian or Arab taking or talking to a NEP street worker. In hundreds of sessions I don't recall a girl ever mentioning those two nationalities, except a few times speaking about them in unfavorable ways. Nor do they tend to stay at the Nana Hotel.
Following is a youtube clip from 10 months ago. If a guy can't see several girls there who are at least a 7, one of us may need to make an appointment with an eye care professional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA
In the past two months I've been out at night about 20 times and only seen two of those girls filmed above on December 30,2013. Most of the ladies I've seen out there recently I've never seen before, so to my thinking there's a lot of new ones.
Re numbers of girls, within the past few months they began to be forbidden or discouraged from being on the parking lot itself, which may give an impression that numbers are down, but there are more lining the street between the 2 seven eleven stores. Also more out in the daytime than 5 years ago to avoid nightime LE raids.
With the Nana Hotel not having an open disco or night club at this time, any freelancers who were working there will have had to hit the streets or go elsewhere.
The recent posts by old and new members paint a very grim picture of Bangkok. I live in UK and made my first trip to Bangkok this year. There seems to be a lot of comparison with what happened in the good old days. I understand that for those living in BKK that is greatly relevant. But for a large number of us who travel for periods to Thailand is that really of any importance? What I compare is my mongering experience in the UK and that in BKK today.
In the UK I would easily pay £150 for a 1 hour session. Now that is Baht 7500. In Bangkok, for 6000 baht I had a girl stay with me for 2 full days, day and night. Off course there was money spent on food etc but it was not excessive, so maybe a little more than my cost of a one hour session. To have a girl spend 2 full days with me in the UK would cost at least £2000 and the food etc on top of that!
Plus, there is the experience of being able to walk into a MP, or watching a show in a gogo or even picking out the girls in a FL club. I greatly enjoy going to a place like Climax, looking around and picking out the girl that I would go back with! Yes, if one compared to the stories of many years ago when the girls were probably throwing themselves over the mongers, then the scene is depressing, as that is not happening any more and you actually have to have a little game to get the good ones. But for me, fortunately or unfortunately I did not experience the good old days, so I only compare my experience in the UK and BKK right now!
I did do the math and realised that once you add the cost of the hotel, then the price per session is actually almost what you pay in the UK. Howevwer, that session is much much longer in BKK (ie an overnight) as compared to the hour in the UK and the fun is lot more.
Maybe in a few years things will change even more and then it would not be worth travelling to BKK. For me right now, it is still a great place and I will be back next year!
The year 2014, of course, is a slow year for tourism due to the protests, curfews, the high season being a low season & so forth. The trend in the past decade or two is when such things occur the rate of tourism slows a bit or levels for a while. Then a few months later it starts to skyrocket again.
That must be why there seemed to be so few guests when I recently stayed in some Hotels, and huge Hotel rooms with upgrade available for low prices. I don't see the tourism skyrocketing at all. I do see a lot more Chinese tourists in the mix though.
That must be why there seemed to be so few guests when I recently stayed in some Hotels, and huge Hotel rooms with upgrade available for low prices. I don't see the tourism skyrocketing at all. I do see a lot more Chinese tourists in the mix though.I have tried a couple of hotels in Bangkok. I prefer the three and four star ones. Not sure if the ongoing political problems is affecting this.
That must be why there seemed to be so few guests when I recently stayed in some Hotels, and huge Hotel rooms with upgrade available for low prices. I don't see the tourism skyrocketing at all. I do see a lot more Chinese tourists in the mix though.In recent times the Chinese numbers have been shooting up & are by far easily the largest of any nationality, according to the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand
In the top 20 countries category quite a few have at least doubled their numbers since 2006.
Every Western or English speaking country in the top 20 has seen increases since 2006, in almost every case very large ones. Likewise for the rest of the group.
I started reading the Bangkok forum nearly 12 years ago. It was the stuff of fantasy. Beautiful loving Thai girls that threw themselves at you for almost no money. Wild times. Etcetera, etcetera. I could only afford US and Mexican destinations, so I dreamed of Bangkok for another day. Now that I finally made the journey, I'm pretty unimpressed. The bars have mostly unattractive girls. Hottie freelancers and escorts are pretty close to US prices and US attitude.
Given the cost of coming out here, I think Tijuana is a much better mongering destination.Never been to Tijuana, so I can't comment on that. But my experience of coming to Thailand regularly (5-6 times per year for 10 years) is that the BKK 'tourist' scene is becoming more expensive and less fun, for all the reasons discussed regularly. Having said that, I have a long-time GF in BKK, so I don't get too sample the delights too often.
Conversely in Pattaya it is very much a buyers market at the moment. There are some delightful young girls that will throw themselves at you for almost no money. Last trip I met a girl and ended up staying with her more days than planned, because she was so good. And I probably overpaid her by paying 1500 baht per day, plus meals, trips, etc. , which is less than 30 for 24 hours company.
That must be why there seemed to be so few guests when I recently stayed in some Hotels, and huge Hotel rooms with upgrade available for low prices. I don't see the tourism skyrocketing at all. I do see a lot more Chinese tourists in the mix though.Yep. During the protests last year and into this year occupancy rates in BKK were abysmal. Some of the well know luxury hotels that usually operate at close to 100% during the high season were running about 30%. Things have improved since the end of the protests but have not recovered. This high season will be better, but not a banner year.
Lots of Chinese though. Mainly package tourists although some couples and families. The package folks are a pain in the ass. CNX is overrun with them. But the families and couples that can afford to stay in the better hotels have been well mannered in my experience.
FreeWillyBruh
11-02-14, 12:53
Guys,
Had much success in and around these areas and was wondering about whether all the little beers bars in the square are still operational or bleak on inventory? Stayed at Legacy Suites and thinking that closer to NEP would be better as I enjoyed On8 stay as well. Any updates on where to procure the following:
-Military cut barber? Tried Friends before but not a good skin fade.
-Good day Oilie to pull for pool party at hotel.
-Spa or out call for manscaping.
-Does Honey on Soi 22 offer out call?
-What happened to Sazanka salt massage place?
Thanks!
LittleBigMan
11-02-14, 13:23
Over Ten years ago I came on this board and there were many standouts that gave great information as to what to do and where to go. The one standout to me was a teacher from Canada who I think lived here for over 20 years who reported about things he experienced in Thailand regarding Thai people. Many of his post were negative so negative that some board members had the influence to get him banned. The one thing that has always stuck in my mind he said to me was if one can stay away from being entrenched into Thai society he will do fine here? People come here for many reasons and a large % of visitors and expats would never experience the things he has and I never imagine I would overtake him in such a short time? I have been told by many people Thais and falangs my life experience here must be like 1%? Never heard shit like this?
Although, we have our personal differences I do have admiration for him after all these years living in Pattaya he is still able to enjoy the fruits of what Thailand has to offer especially in Pattaya. If anyone ever want to know how to live in Thailand and not be entrenched into the Thai culture and just enjoy their life in retirement they should contact him. But doing that is not easy in Pattaya, certainly not as easy as following the yellow brick road to see the wizard in OZ? When you are the King of Jomtien living in a Penthouse overlooking the the beach with a 180 degree view. We can all wish to be as lucky? The best you can hope is if you are down on W. S. And see a guy order that god awful drink John Daniels ask him if he is the King?
I have not lived in many places all I can tell everyone is what I have experienced in Thailand particularly in Pattaya as a Asian American born and raised in the States. While growing up I've experience lots of discrimination never in my imagination I thought I would experience the discrimination and prejudice I have experience here. It should be noted that I have met and been told by other Expat living up North that Pattaya is in no way a indication as to what Thailand is all about. I've been told I'm more Thai than some Thais and I've been told by some Thai women " I want you to be 100% Thai ".
To be continue.
Thinking of gong to Thailand next spring. How difficult is it to get a threesome going. Is there a great risk of being duped into sex with minors. I am a very poor judge of age with Asian women. Has anyone hooked up with Japanese girls in Thailand.
Ralph Kramden
11-02-14, 13:53
I started reading the Bangkok forum nearly 12 years ago. It was the stuff of fantasy. Beautiful loving Thai girls that threw themselves at you for almost no money. Wild times. Etcetera, etcetera. I could only afford US and Mexican destinations, so I dreamed of Bangkok for another day. Now that I finally made the journey, I'm pretty unimpressed. The bars have mostly unattractive girls. Hottie freelancers and escorts are pretty close to US prices and US attitude. I was quoted 3k baht from a hottie freelancer at Climax last night and the internet escorts are in the 4k-9k baht range. I got a soapie at Annies that set me back 2500 baht for mostly 3 g service.
Everyone from the girls to the taxi drivers to the waiters seem to be involved in some sort of tourist shakedown.
The winners in this game seem to fall into two categories:
(1) Young superstuds who are bagging approximately the same quality girls that they would get in the US.
(2) Resident expats. I saw some older gentleman (probably from this board) with some STUNNING young Thai girlfriends. These were women that they had clearly spent time finding and cultivating. Also, I'm betting a lot of these gentlemen spoke Thai.
I didn't see many short time tourists doing very well in terms of quality either in Bangkok or Pattaya. The only 9's and 10's that gave me the time of day were ladyboys. Given the cost of coming out here, I think Tijuana is a much better mongering destination.Try a good soapie like Nataree or Amsterdam or one of the oilies reported on here and you might change your mind. Short term sex tourists probably will never score a beautiful short-time girlfriend, but you can have short-term sex with a beautiful girl if you go to the right places. Don't look for love, look for lust.
Tiradentes
11-02-14, 15:20
I can drive up to vancouver and enjoy a 45 minute FS session for 150 canadian dollars with a sweet chinese girl, in many of the massage parlors.Enjoy it while it lasts, The Canadian parliament in Ottawa just recently passed an anti p4 p law similar to Sweden where male customers will be arrested and prosecuted. This law will be in effect as of December 1st,2014. Religious zealots and liberal feminists do indeed have something in common: Busting our balls.
If you want some Kao Pao luvin, I am afraid BKK is the only place available in terms of safety, convenience and affordability. At least in our lifetimes.
Thinking of gong to Thailand next spring. Is there a great risk of being duped into sex with minors. I am a very poor judge of age with Asian women. Has anyone hooked up with Japanese girls in Thailand.There are occasional reports of under-age girls working in certain bars. If in doubt, check their ID card. Better still, check their ID card anyway. Not something you would want to get wrong.
Japanese girls? Why would you expect to find them in Thailand? Unless they are on holiday with the boyfriends / family. Loads of Thai girls try and make themselves look Japanese. Would that do for you?
LittleBigMan
11-02-14, 15:58
Continued.
I remember another thing by the Canadian Teacher that using the word " Backward " as to how Thais think was being kind to them. I was not born yesterday did lots of bad things back home and did some time for it but always was able to right myself. Living here has brought the worse out in me like everyone I came saying this is not my country and I'm not here to look for trouble but here trouble always seem to come my way even though I've tried to forget and forgive the past and move on. As they say "just when I was out they pull me back in?" I've had money stolen by people close to me, had my life threaten a number of times, been in a confrontation with a motorbike taxi driver, been chased down a Soi by a Thai driver while on my motorbike going near 100 KM / H, and a few years back sneak attacked by a Thai with a butcher knife while I had my back turn and cut me in the forehead and came within a quarter inch of ending my life? What I have found in many of these confrontation is once they find out I am falang they become enraged as if this was a war between Thailand and the USA? I don't know how often I've been told they are Mafia and act and talk as if they were experts in Muay Thai boxing? It's as if they have been watching too many soaps and fighting movies? I say to myself each time if they were Mafia how is it that they live in a tin can shack and how do they pay for the fighting lesson. But whenever my life and my family is threaten where I come from I do the research and I strike before they strike me. I tried to go straight and use the court system only to be told by my lawyers " you are wasting your time and money, with your family ties to the Hong Kong Triads basically do it the old fashion way so I have and what amaze me is the look on their face how can a foreigner do such a bad thing to them while it is okay For a Thai. There certainly is a double standard here more ways that just being charge double for something. I've even been kicked out of a Thai temple because I told the monk what I've done and what I plan for some others for revenge. I ask him before I left " why is it okay For a Thai to do and be forgiven but not me? ".
Now I've concluded this is my life here and how I have to do things and when it is time because sooner or later my luck and my nine lives are going to run out and have accepted my destiny and that is I will die a violent death here. I go to sleep each night and wake up hoping that I don't hate all Thais because I don't and don't want my son to think that I do? So far so good but what helps me to stay here in Pattaya and leave my problems behind is the girls. Like mentioned. Living here and not visiting you have time and that time allows you to find whatever you want at whatever price you are willing to pay regardless if the price is going up and up? There is food, not the best, but at everyone's budget. Posters say the girls are fat, ugly, etc. That is because when you set your mind on fining something you never can but when you have time they find you when you aren't looking. So much pussy that there is just not enough time or money?
I have coffee each morning with a bunch of Expats from all over the world, sure there are many problems in the USA I know I was burned by the system. I feel the same before I came to Thailand, I've learn how they think and how they do things it is worse than the USA And I've been humble by the experience and have come away with a greater appreciation of the USA Even though it is not perfect and it is because I'm not here for a holiday and see and have been entrenched into their culture and it is not pretty at all. I wish I didn't feel that way but I do. Recently I met a guy from Kurwit? Through one of his BF girls who I knew. He said he felt sorry for me being a American, without starting starting a verbal fight I was thinking? This fucking prick was here fucking women as a Muslim or what because America save his ass from Saddam? I be-t-h like many expats but I benefit from it all because if the Thais actually knew or wanted to fix the problems I would not be able to enjoy the exchange rates and live here.
Many talk about the changes. Higher standard of living. Less girls because of this. I do not agree as long as their education system is the way it is and turn out useless males the girls will continue to come and come they do because living here you see the girls come and go new meat constantly but none of you two week holiday people see it. You come want it now because you just don't have the time or patients and when you look you don't find it and disappointed saying Pattaya is going downhill etc. Etc. Fat and ugly like Pattaya has a patent of this and not Bangkok.
Being Asian and living here it is a curse with the girls. I meet them and they are all over LBM, wanting me to be their boyfriend or at my age papa? If I want I could have them line up out the door and with my weakness I take them in all shape and size as long as the sex is good. I no longer have the drive when I was young and that is good because I don't have the time to change my bedsheet each day. The world is changing even in Thailand and Pattaya and yes the prices are going up but as for Pattaya they are trying to make it a family destination but it will happen slowly but hopefully not in my lifetime. But for now it is still one of the best places to live for the money as long as you do not get entrenched?
Enjoy!
Member #4698
11-02-14, 16:12
But for now it is still one of the best places to live for the money as long as you do not get entrenched?
Enjoy!Right, but why would you want to get "entrenched" in the first place. I have very little to do with local men wherever I travel in SE Asia. I won't get into an argument with taxi drivers, bouncers or anybody else. I remain above the fray. I accept the fact that I am going to pay a farang tax wherever I go and I don't give a shit. I never forget the fact that I am a visitor no matter how long my stay is and I am not Thai. I am here for just one thing, the girls, with great food and a few beautiful island beaches thrown in as a bonus. I am not looking to make friends with the local Thai "Goodfellas" or anybody else. If you are actually worried about your safety, then I think it is a good time to move and give LOS a break for a while. Take a year off in Phnom Penh, Subic, or just travel around SE Asia, then come back to Thailand with a clean slate.
Wolvenvacht
11-02-14, 16:18
Thinking of gong to Thailand next spring. How difficult is it to get a threesome going.It is as easy as showing up at Eden Club and choosing your lovely and asking her to choose a friend.
Is there a great risk of being duped into sex with minors. I am a very poor judge of age with Asian women.If anything, most of us Western men will think Asian women are younger than they really are. If you think she is 20, she is probably not a day younger than 25. If in doubt ask to see her I'd.
Paul Kausch
11-02-14, 16:40
Thinking of gong to Thailand next spring. How difficult is it to get a threesome going. Is there a great risk of being duped into sex with minors. I am a very poor judge of age with Asian women. Has anyone hooked up with Japanese girls in Thailand.Threesomes are easy to arrange in Bangkok. Go to Annie's, Bamboo, Cherry Massage, Dr. BJ's Nuru, Mango, Snow White or Tulip and request two girls. If you prefer, tell them you want the girls to come to your hotel room. All the escort agencies have ladies who do threesomes. Another option is to tell one of the mamsans in a gogo bar you want two girls. However, not all threesomes are the same. If you want bisexual acting girls, make that clear up front, otherwise you may end up with two girls who do little more than take turns fucking and sucking you.
There are occasional reports of under-age girls working in certain bars. If in doubt, check their ID card. Better still, check their ID card anyway. Not something you would want to get wrong.
Japanese girls? Why would you expect to find them in Thailand? Unless they are on holiday with the boyfriends / family. Loads of Thai girls try and make themselves look Japanese. Would that do for you?Why Japanese. Looks are in the eyes of the beholder, with that said, I think Japanese girls are prettier. Physically, I like their thighs and boobs are nicer. Just my taste.
It is as easy as showing up at Eden Club and choosing your lovely and asking her to choose a friend.
If anything, most of us Western men will think Asian women are younger than they really are. If you think she is 20, she is probably not a day younger than 25. If in doubt ask to see her I'd.Thanks, Did think they carried I'd cards.
Threesomes are easy to arrange in Bangkok. Go to Annie's, Bamboo, Cherry Massage, Dr. BJ's Nuru, Mango, Snow White or Tulip and request two girls. If you prefer, tell them you want the girls to come to your hotel room. All the escort agencies have ladies who do threesomes. Another option is to tell one of the mamsans in a gogo bar you want two girls. However, not all threesomes are the same. If you want bisexual acting girls, make that clear up front, otherwise you may end up with two girls who do little more than take turns fucking and sucking you.I imagine there is a ground zero. What is the average cost.
LittleBigMan
11-02-14, 17:13
Right, but why would you want to get "entrenched" in the first place. I have very little to do with local men wherever I travel in SE Asia. I won't get into an argument with taxi drivers, bouncers or anybody else. I remain above the fray. I accept the fact that I am going to pay a farang tax wherever I go and I don't give a shit. I never forget the fact that I am a visitor no matter how long my stay is and I am not Thai. I am here for just one thing, the girls, with great food and a few beautiful island beaches thrown in as a bonus. I am not looking to make friends with the local Thai "Goodfellas" or anybody else. If you are actually worried about your safety, then I think it is a good time to move and give LOS a break for a while. Take a year off in Phnom Penh, Subic, or just travel around SE Asia, then come back to Thailand with a clean slate.Wish I could do as you suggested but I'm here other than the girls but the girls is what keeps me going now I'm came here because I have a Thai family and I had no problems living with Thais. But what I've found in Pattaya the men think they have a right to step all over you like they are entitled to it. As for the motorbike taxi guy, I had left W. S. One night on my bike just going slowly when this motorbike taxi came out of no where and clipped my mirror it was only me seeing him avoided a much bigger accident. I kind of yell out while I was avoiding him and I guess he got offended for some reason. It was 2 am in the morning next thing I know he pulls up to me and starts to Muay Thai my leg, first twice three times saying "what" I was not looking for a fight he kept it up in the middle of 2nd road, finally I got pissed I chased him down while he took off like a coward. Basically pop a wheelie on top of him and bike he was shocked and started to look for the other motorbike guys to help him. I got off my bike and walk up to him with my helmet and head butted him and broke his nose. I believe because I look like Thai no one came to jump on me? I just got on my bike and left around the corner I came to my senses and took off like a bat out of hell as they say?
I stay because I am raising my son and I no longer fear for my life it is just the way it is as I noted I'm resided to it. I have the greatest respect for their Mafia but it is small time compare to where I'm from and what I've seen. In general average Thai men are cowards but I do not look for fights and I only dread one day I get kicked by a Muay Thai boxer. I've fool around in a Muay Thai gym with a friend who owns one and I ask this young guy to kick me for the fun of it and it was not funny when they know what they are doing.
As for a clean slate I tried but trouble comes my way? The only place I've been that I've felt comfortable and home is in Hong Kong where I spent every summer while I was growing up. I still have family there and they are the ones watching over me while I stay in Thailand.
Paul Kausch
11-02-14, 18:16
I imagine there is a ground zero. What is the average cost.As a rule 2 ladies cost twice as much as one lady. For example, Annie's charges 2500 baht for 2 hours inhouse with 1 lady. Two ladies will be 5000 baht. Takeout costs 5000 baht for 1 lady. You can pick her up anytime after 5 pm and she will leave the next morning. The time depends on when she has to be at work the next day (11:00 or 15:00) and how much she likes you. Again, double it with 2 ladies.
Of course there are tips on top of this. Guys argue about appropriate tips. For Annie's inhouse 500 for 1 lady is reasonable. For outcall, I'm more generous. The ladies tell me they get 2000 out of the 5000 and they spend 16 or more hours with me. If the lady is special and stays with me until after 12:00, I'll give her a very good tip. I had the good luck of having several outcalls with the famous #24. She was amazing and I used to give her 5000. As the saying goes, "Up to you. "
I'm not advocating Annie's over the other MPs. I listed them alphabetically. As Annie's is the first on the list I used it as an example. Be aware, some MPs show an 800 baht fee for 2 hours. It is understood you will give the girl 1500 baht on top of that plus a tip of a few hundred baht if you wish.
Also, if you do the threesome in house you will probably want to spend a few hundred extra baht for a VIP room, which will have a bigger bed. Not sure a threesome would work very well on the tiny beds in a standard room. FYI, Dr BJ's Nuru has fantastic VIP rooms, which are nicer than the rooms in the more economical hotels. You can find pricing policies on each MP's website.
The escort agencies will explain 2 girl pricing on their websites.
When booking 2 girls it's important to make sure the girls work well together. Many guys will pick one girl and let her pick the other.
Spent two night in Bangkok last month. Not enough time to try everything this fine city has to offer, but enough to get the highlights.
Stayed at the Marriott close to Nana's. Nice central location for walking around and in the middle of most of the action. Some of the options that I saw were.
SW everywhere, some of them right down scary. Did not partake, but I am sure they were cheap.
Massage parlors also everywhere, walked up to Annie's to see the line up. Nothing that caught my eye, mostly older or overweight. Some of the other massage parlors seem to have a better selection.
BJ bars, quite a few within walking distance. Quality of ladies not as great. But decided to have a cold one while getting my whisel clean. Kind'a fun, but would not repeat.
Devil's den, mostly older providers. Did not see anything appetizing.
Nana plaza, either bars with slightly older ladies or lady boys. For completeness sake and in the interest of research (only) had a cold one at one of the LB bars. Hard to tell that some where actually LBs, but after a few minutes of watching them dance and having them get aggressive towards me, I had enough and left. If LBs is your thing, then Nana's is the place to go.
Say Cowboy. Tow type of bars; drink bars where you go in, sit with a lady or two, invite them a drink and get a little frisky with them. No bar fine, so you are just wasting your money. Take out bars, which Baccara being the most popular one, you sit to watch the show, pick a girl, buy her a drink and chit chat and decide if you want to take her out. Pay bar fine, find a short time hotel (quite a few within a few minutes walking distance, and go have fun). Tried this twice and both times had a great time. Did not try long time as I had work the next morning, but should do it next time. The down side is that for short time is one pop, you are done. , but can pretty much take a much time as you want.
Why Japanese. Looks are in the eyes of the beholder, with that said, I think Japanese girls are prettier. Physically, I like their thighs and boobs are nicer. Just my taste.I'm not saying 'why Japanese? I'm saying 'why would you expect to find them in Thailand?' Japanese girls are indeed attractive, and Japanese hookers can earn good money in their own country, where frankly they rarely service other races. I just don't think any would come to Thailand for that very reason. But of course there are lots of non-p4 p Jap girls around. Good luck.
I have not lived in many places all I can tell everyone is what I have experienced in Thailand particularly in Pattaya as a Asian American born and raised in the States. While growing up I've experience lots of discrimination never in my imagination I thought I would experience the discrimination and prejudice I have experience here. It should be noted that I have met and been told by other Expat living up North that Pattaya is in no way a indication as to what Thailand is all about. I've been told I'm more Thai than some Thais and I've been told by some Thai women " I want you to be 100% Thai ".They are correct. Pattaya is not Thailand. In the same way Disneyland is not the USA. I really don't get how guys can live there. I used to enjoy it for a max of three nights when I first moved here, but now find it an unappealing circus of the worst sort. It is completely devoid of culture and has always been considered to be run by the "mafia. ".
As far as your last statement is concerned, most non-P4 P women I meet in BKK who are interested in Farang men absolutely do not want a Western man to be "100% Thai" because they don't want the constraints most Thai men place on Thai women.
Perhaps you might consider taking your kid and getting out of Pattaya. BKK for one has great schools and you can give your kiddo a much better start.
LittleBigMan
11-03-14, 02:24
They are correct. Pattaya is not Thailand. In the same way Disneyland is not the USA. I really don't get how guys can live there. I used to enjoy it for a max of three nights when I first moved here, but now find it an unappealing circus of the worst sort. It is completely devoid of culture and has always been considered to be run by the "mafia. ".
As far as your last statement is concerned, most non-P4 P women I meet in BKK who are interested in Farang men absolutely do not want a Western man to be "100% Thai" because they don't want the constraints most Thai men place on Thai women.
Perhaps you might consider taking your kid and getting out of Pattaya. BKK for one has great schools and you can give your kiddo a much better start.I don't expect any or many of you to understand. I've concluded that any / many of you will never be asked to be 100% Thai because you are white. See the equation is this I look like them, they think I'm one of them until I speak, I'm 50% already there now all they have to do is change the other 50%, learn more Thai, I eat Thai food just like Chinese except spicy? Even shit without a sitting toilet, I've been told more than once I am American a walking ATM, it is like winning the lottery? A year ago I tagged along with a girl who has a useless Thai boyfriend who didn't come along to make a short visit to see her parents. Her parents wonder why she does not have money since she works in a popular go go? Once they met me it was love at first sight because of all the stuff I just mention to you. Shit I can see it on their face and I heard them " he looks like us and has money? ".
In the end, what I have also found many girls say they are done with Thai men, that is until they find a western guy, a sponsor, and then when they do not have to work they get the itch to be with their own kind, eat their own food, that is where the Thai guy comes in and sweet talk them into the sack. In Pattaya, I can safely say 9 out of 10 white foreigners I see with Thai women in a relationship came from P4 P, I've been told when they are with me they do not feel that way. I once had a regular who said this to me so I said great jokingly " I can butterfly " she storm off! These days I rarely take the girls to my place on the Darkside of Pattaya because they rather take me to their rooms it's like I'm the Freelancer? I've taken a number of Freelancer from the Bamboo Bar and local Esaan bars near W.S. instead of taking them all the way back to my place just go to their rooms nearby. I feel like a Thai, no A/C banging away on the floor sweating.
As for my son, he is too old now to switch to something else including BKK, that is a mistake I take responsibility for stupid me for not getting the bigger picture earlier! He is so far behind it is not funny because everything I've tried to teach him was undone by his mother.
Enjoy and Thanks for the advice!
I don't expect any or many of you to understand. I've concluded that any / many of you will never be asked to be 100% Thai because you are white. See the equation is this I look like them, they think I'm one of them until I speak, I'm 50% already there now all they have to do is change the other 50%, learn more Thai, I eat Thai food just like Chinese except spicy? Even shit without a sitting toilet, I've been told more than once I am American a walking ATM, it is like winning the lottery? A year ago I tagged along with a girl who has a useless Thai boyfriend who didn't come along to make a short visit to see her parents. Her parents wonder why she does not have money since she works in a popular go go? Once they met me it was love at first sight because of all the stuff I just mention to you. Shit I can see it on their face and I heard them " he looks like us and has money? ".
In the end, what I have also found many girls say they are done with Thai men, that is until they find a western guy, a sponsor, and then when they do not have to work they get the itch to be with their own kind, eat their own food, that is where the Thai guy comes in and sweet talk them into the sack. In Pattaya, I can safely say 9 out of 10 white foreigners I see with Thai women in a relationship came from P4 P, I've been told when they are with me they do not feel that way. I once had a regular who said this to me so I said great jokingly " I can butterfly " she storm off!
As for my son, he is too old now to switch to something else including BKK, that is a mistake I take responsibility for stupid me for not getting the bigger picture earlier! He is so far behind it is not funny because everything I've tried to teach him was undone by his mother.
Enjoy and Thanks for the advice!LBM, I empathize with you. But it is never too late to make a change or you son. Might be just what you need to get things back on track for the both of you. I know quite a few Asian Americans in BKK and they do quite well in all regards.
Been here for 15 years sir and there have been some amazing highs and some unreal lows, and I am not just talking about women. Not a young dude either, almost 50, but I keep plugging away. "Throw enough shit against the wall and some of it will stick. " Hang in there man!
In 7 years I recall only one time I've seen what may have been an Indian or Arab taking or talking to a NEP street worker. In hundreds of sessions I don't recall a girl ever mentioning those two nationalities, except a few times speaking about them in unfavorable ways. Nor do they tend to stay at the Nana Hotel.
Following is a youtube clip from 10 months ago. If a guy can't see several girls there who are at least a 7, one of us may need to make an appointment with an eye care professional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA
With the Nana Hotel not having an open disco or night club at this time, any freelancers who were working there will have had to hit the streets or go elsewhere.If you have seen the Arabs and Indians approach the Nana Parking lot girls only once in 7 years I have my doubts about your observational powers. It is a constant parade of them on soi 4 hitting on the girls and on Sukhumvit even more so. And if those girls in the video are Superstars in your eyes, then good for you. I know nearly all of them by sight. And have seen them around for years. The Nana Disco has been deserted or near deserted for years now so what you say is totally irrelevant. We see different things. What can I say. Its not really all that important.
I don't expect any or many of you to understand. I've concluded that any / many of you will never be asked to be 100% Thai because you are white. See the equation is this I look like them, they think I'm one of them until I speak, I'm 50% already there now all they have to do is change the other 50%, learn more Thai, I eat Thai food just like Chinese except spicy? Even shit without a sitting toilet, I've been told more than once I am American a walking ATM, it is like winning the lottery? A year ago I tagged along with a girl who has a useless Thai boyfriend who didn't come along to make a short visit to see her parents. Her parents wonder why she does not have money since she works in a popular go go? Once they met me it was love at first sight because of all the stuff I just mention to you. Shit I can see it on their face and I heard them " he looks like us and has money? ".
In the end, what I have also found many girls say they are done with Thai men, that is until they find a western guy, a sponsor, and then when they do not have to work they get the itch to be with their own kind, eat their own food, that is where the Thai guy comes in and sweet talk them into the sack. In Pattaya, I can safely say 9 out of 10 white foreigners I see with Thai women in a relationship came from P4 P, I've been told when they are with me they do not feel that way...Little big man,
Many men travel to Thailand often but do not understand Thai woman. They only see the illusion Thai woman present. First Thai hookers love to say they are done with Thai men. They all say that! But the minute you are not with them they are with Thai men. A Thai woman will always prefer to be with a Thai man than a farang. Farang are just the walking ATM. If you marry a Thai woman you will generally have to go to visit her family every year or time you travel to Thailand. All the family members will expect money. One after the other. They will all act like they love you. Until they day comes when you stop giving everyone money. Then they all hate you. Thailand is such a fantasy or a dream. Don't believe it. When the Thai girl said to you that you could not butterfly. She was talking about you. But she can butterfly all she wants. Moral of the story don't marry a bar girl or a hooker. Have fun and leave.
If you have seen the Arabs and Indians approach the Nana Parking lot girls only once in 7 years I have my doubts about your observational powers. It is a constant parade of them on soi 4 hitting on the girls and on Sukhumvit even more so. And if those girls in the video are Superstars in your eyes, then good for you. I know nearly all of them by sight. And have seen them around for years. The Nana Disco has been deserted or near deserted for years now so what you say is totally irrelevant. We see different things. What can I say. Its not really all that important.In the vid I posted there are Western & Asian guys, but no Arabs or Indians. That's the norm from my experience, which has been hundreds of visits to the NPL, but I'm not out there everyday, let alone 24 seven. Much more often it's in the early evenings or daytime lineups rather than the late rowdy drunken times of the night, & I generally find my girl within 5 minutes & am gone.
If anyone tries to hassle the girls, of whatever nationality, he may find 20 Thais immediately on his ass. You just don't do that in LOS, just like you don't diss the Royalty. So in hundreds of sessions with ladies from the NPL I've very rarely heard a complaint about them being hassled on the street by foreigners of any nationality. Much more often they've spoken about LE raids, but even that is rare.
Sure lower Sukhumvit near soi 3 to 7 and over to the Grace Hotel is full of Arabs, but that's a totally different scene and crowd from those frequenting the Nana Hotel, Parking Lot & street between the two seven elevens there, as anyone at all familiar with it would know. You can't even compare the two. They are nothing alike.
Let's be clear, no one ever said the girls in the vid are superstars, whatever that is supposed to mean. In the link to the subject on wikipedia I posted earlier it had a pic of Britney Spears, LOL. If you want her, fine, as my preference would be for several ladies in the NPL youtube clip, by far.
And, BTW, in 7 years, even within the past 3, I've seen & had stunners from that spot. Like poster Daddy said, you don't need 100, just one. And when they're not around, I'm quite content with a 7 or 8 rather than a 9 or 10. Or one could keep the lists of total hotties they've met there & banged in their "little black book".
Lately I went to Mit Phan Road in China Town for the first time on a Sunday evening around 9 PM. Thanon Charoen Krung was almost deserted, coming from Hua Lamphong MRT station, so I was afraid Mit Phan might also be like that but fortunately it wasn't. I estimate there were about 50 or 60 women in total sitting or standing on both sides of the street, ranging in age from mid 20's to early 40's. A few may have been older or younger. Most of them were 5's or 6's, only a few 7's here and there. Definitely no stunners but I didn't expect that of course. There weren't many customers and I was the only farang around. And I was totally ignored by most of the girls. They looked away from me or only made eye contact for a very brief moment. I guess they either don't like farangs or they hardly speak any English and are afraid to loose face when they try to make contact.
Finally there was a girl who said 'hello' to me. She spoke just a little bit of English and quoted me 700 Bath (plus 100 for the ST room). She was one of the few 7's in the street but nevertheless I declined and said I wanted to look around some more. She as well as her friend who was sitting next to her said something in Thai that didn't sound very nice, LOL!
I walked over to Phadung Dao Road (Soi Texas). It was much more lively there with Thai and tourists enjoying dinner and drinks. However the alley behind the soi where as I have understood the girls are supposed to be found was almost deserted. I saw maybe 2 or 3 girls in what looked like 'massage' places but I wasn't sure about it so I didn't enter them. Could as well have been normal bars with 'good' girls.
I was just about to give up and wanted to return to Mit Phan when these three girls sitting on the sidewalk of Soi Texas said something in Thai to me. Only one of them spoke a few words English and she wasn't attractive at all but one of her friends was definitely a 7 IMHO. Small, slender body, cute face, a nice smile and in her mid or late 20's I think. So I showed my interest in her and she quoted me 1000 Bath (with some help from her English speaking friend) but when I offered 500 Bath she almost immediately accepted.
She took me to a short time hotel nearby which looked run down but was reasonably clean. The room was 80 Bath including towels (sort of, they were very thin), a piece of soap and one condom. I expected a cold water shower (I hate that, spoiled as I am) but the temperature of the water was not unpleasant, even a little bit warm. The girl was very friendly and she had a nice body. Almost flat tits with firm nipples, a smooth and flat belly without stretch marks, a small but firm butt and no tattoos or piercings. She started off with kissing my chest and giving me a hand job. A blow job was not on the menu I guess but anyway her warm and gentle hand got me hard in a few minutes. I went down on her to DATY and she accepted it with a giggle. I even think she enjoyed it although she didn't show it very much. Her pussy tasted good and was fresh without any odor. As soon as she was wet enough I penetrated her. Unfortunately she was not really tight and it took me quite some time to finish but she didn't complain at all. It didn't help either that she had her eyes closed most of the time. Oh well.
Will I repeat? Meh, maybe. But then I will explore the area at day time I think.
Crocodilexp
11-03-14, 18:21
Lately I went to Mit Phan Road in China Town for the first time on a Sunday evening around 9 PM.
Great report from the parts less visited, thank you!
Don't be shy to proposition the girls around Mit Phan area. The lack of "hellos" is not due to aversion towards foreigners, but perhaps they didn't flag you as a potential customer (fair number of Farang pass by through the area by accident and have no interest in the scene). The action is mostly in triangle bounded by Mit Phan / Maitri Chit / Phantha Chit roads (and alleys within too), some spilling over to Charoen Krung and Soi Texas.
As for the small alleys off Soi Texas, they're more active in the daytime, not much there at night. Actually, Yaowarat is not much of a late-night neighborhood, if you like the low-end scene, Khlong Lot (across from Khao San Road) is better late at night.
Will I repeat? Meh, maybe. But then I will explore the area at day time I think.After quite a few visits, and maybe 20 sessions, the area is definitely more fun for exploring (the thrill of the hunt), than for actual sex sessions (when it comes to service, the best out there would barely register as mediocre in Pattaya). If the girl was "meh, maybe would repeat", she's probably among the better ones. At 300-600 baht per shot, it's not much of a loss, though.
Some more spots to explore in the area:
Broadway hotel at the start of Soi Texas (staircase right next to the seafood places). This spot specializes in PRC workers, 400 baht and up. Poor attitude, but definitely fun to try something different.
Som tum sellers (young Lao / Issan) with their mats out in front of Hualamphong MRT station exit in the evenings. I keep hearing they're available (and they look like it), but haven't figure out the procedure / cost (despite speaking some Thai). At one time I sat there with an acquaintance with the girl pouring us drinks, but didn't make the move. Does anybody have relevant experience here?
The Saengfah hotelon Maitri Chit, about 100 m in from the circle. Often some lookers there, sitting at the bottom floor (visible from the street).
Slightly out of the area, but there's a great ST hotel with many girls on the premises next to Hua Chiew hospital. 600+ baht per session (300 for the hotel, 300 for the girl, plus I guess extra to be negotiated).
Hello, was researching this hotel that is in sukhumvit due to some suggestions here. There are some rooms with a terrace, perhaps it's a balcony. For additional charge. My stay may be 6 days, wondering if it's really worth it, has anyone used it, how's the view, sliding door access, it it big enough to lounge there or just two people stand? And what are the views, you see the views of other guest's balconies I guess?
Also, I feel like I know the answer already, but if you walk w / a bunch of guys, the working girls will eye you, but if you're walking with a foreigner girl, I'm feeling like they will all show zero interest, eh thinking you're a couple.
If you have seen the Arabs and Indians approach the Nana Parking lot girls only once in 7 years I have my doubts about your observational powers. It is a constant parade of them on soi 4 hitting on the girls and on Sukhumvit even more so. And if those girls in the video are Superstars in your eyes, then good for you. I know nearly all of them by sight. And have seen them around for years. The Nana Disco has been deserted or near deserted for years now so what you say is totally irrelevant. We see different things. What can I say. Its not really all that important.Ditto. All I see approaching those FL's in the Nana Parking lot are large groups of Indians and Arabs. No observational powers required for this one.
Little big man,
Many men travel to Thailand often but do not understand Thai woman. They only see the illusion Thai woman present. First Thai hookers love to say they are done with Thai men. They all say that! But the minute you are not with them they are with Thai men. A Thai woman will always prefer to be with a Thai man than a farang. Farang are just the walking ATM. If you marry a Thai woman you will generally have to go to visit her family every year or time you travel to Thailand. All the family members will expect money. One after the other. They will all act like they love you. Until they day comes when you stop giving everyone money. Then they all hate you. Thailand is such a fantasy or a dream. Don't believe it. When the Thai girl said to you that you could not butterfly. She was talking about you. But she can butterfly all she wants. Moral of the story don't marry a bar girl or a hooker. Have fun and leave.Good advice on not marrying a hooker. But you seem to be painting all Thai women with the same broad brush. The actions you describe tend to be those of the lowest class of people.
I have met and dated several middle-class Thai women over the years, none in the P4 P scene. NONE has ever asked for money. Ever. I often had to insist that I buy dinner, or whatever.
Last year my GF insisted to pay for several of the hotels we stayed at during our trip to Penang and points south, and part of the food. We do visit her family on occasion, but NOBODY has ever asked for money, and you can tell, after meeting them, that they wouldn't dream of it. And, if one were to ask, they would be the recipient of a new asshole, courtesy of the GF.
LittleBigMan
11-04-14, 02:59
Good advice on not marrying a hooker. But you seem to be painting all Thai women with the same broad brush. The actions you describe tend to be those of the lowest class of people.
I have met and dated several middle-class Thai women over the years, none in the P4 P scene. NONE has ever asked for money. Ever. I often had to insist that I buy dinner, or whatever.
Last year my GF insisted to pay for several of the hotels we stayed at during our trip to Penang and points south, and part of the food. We do visit her family on occasion, but NOBODY has ever asked for money, and you can tell, after meeting them, that they wouldn't dream of it. And, if one were to ask, they would be the recipient of a new asshole, courtesy of the GF.Let's be straight here! We are talking in generalization and that includes me! I think we can all agree that Bangkok being the capital has lot more to offer in terms of education, culture, and a greater variety of people in how they think? It has been point out there are wonderful poor uneducated people upcountry. My in-laws who live in Sukhothai are poor but rich in land seem to be good people. I've been with some wonderful P4 P women in Bangkok and Pattaya and would not trade that experience for anything. People come in all shape and size and live everywhere but Pattaya does seem to bring or let say teach the innocents who come the worse part about Thailand? I've met some politicians and met lawyers and they all seem to have what I've said the " Backward type of thinking " There is one prominent lawyer who I can't mention that I would like to kidnapped, hang him on a crank off Pattaya Bay, strip his skin off and pour a jar of red and black ants all over his body. Women I love in the big picture regardless of the negatives this is the way to die? But the men here in Pattaya the lowest and poor one's, which it seem to be the majority and the one's who are not all seem to have the backward mentality. As far as I'm concern the women be better off putting them in a basket and setting fire to all of them instead of sitting around drinking Leo beer and talking about their birds and fighting chickens. I refer to Thai men like this as Soi Dogs, all waiting around in packs on each Soi waiting for that one dog in heat and fighting to see who is going to tag it?
In the end, everyone is different looking for different things and paying different prices including looks, the conversation goes on and on but whatever one decides just enjoy and nothing stays the same?
Next report my short trip into Bangkok.
After quite a few visits, and maybe 20 sessions, the area is definitely more fun for exploring (the thrill of the hunt), than for actual sex sessions (when it comes to service, the best out there would barely register as mediocre in Pattaya). If the girl was "meh, maybe would repeat", she's probably among the better ones. At 300-600 baht per shot, it's not much of a loss, though.Thanks a lot for all the info Crocodilexp! Although the part quoted above is not really encouraging, LOL. For me the thrill of the hunt would be that there's a fair chance to stumble upon a real gem every once in a while. That happens to me quite often in Pattaya but so far much less in Bangkok. But I've only just recently started to (re-) explore Bangkok, after 10 years of visits to Pattaya mainly, so who knows what the future will bring.
PayEmToLeave
11-04-14, 05:07
Field report day 2: Though billed as opening at 8, doors opened at 8:30, and I was the first customer of the day. Got Ploy, a cute maybe 30 ish lady with immense suction skills. Ploy seated me on a leather loveseat behind a black curtain, removed her shirt and got to work. After about 15 min achieved blastoff, and Ploy swallowed it all to my surprise. 800 b and I gave 200 to Ploy. WIR? Yes, as the early opening is very convenient for getting in some fun before morning meetings.
Good advice on not marrying a hooker. But you seem to be painting all Thai women with the same broad brush.
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Last year my GF insisted to pay for several of the hotels we stayed at during our trip to Penang and points south, and part of the food. We do visit her family on occasion, but NOBODY has ever asked for money, and you can tell, after meeting them, that they wouldn't dream of it. And, if one were to ask, they would be the recipient of a new asshole, courtesy of the GF.I do agree with you.
Once my GF paid my my air ticket money (BKK to Guanzhou, China) by her credit card. Later on I try to pay her back several times, but I failed. Same to her relatives too. They don't care what I have. They are happy by just seeing their girl is happy.
Shilpa2012
11-04-14, 10:08
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Crocodilexp
11-04-14, 10:34
For me the thrill of the hunt would be that there's a fair chance to stumble upon a real gem every once in a while. That happens to me quite often in Pattaya but so far much less in Bangkok.Same for me, always on the lookout for that hidden gem, a nice surprise. That's why I mostly go for freelancers, and not so much oilies like Tulip. The latter are more consistent with better service, plus usually often better value, but are predictable and there's zero chance of nice surprises. The bars are somewhere in between, but I prefer focusing on sex, not drinking, and there's a bit too much hassle.
In Pattaya, the freelancer setup (Beach Road, walking street, discos) is more conductive for finding hidden gems, easier for girls to get back to your hotel. Using the the short-time rooms can kill the mood, induce time pressure, and make for an entirely un-memorable experience.
Among the Thai hooker areas, I think Khlong Lot area is slightly more conductive to finding hidden gems than Yaowarat area, though neither is all that great.
Same for me, always on the lookout for that hidden gem, a nice surprise. That's why I mostly go for freelancers, and not so much oilies like Tulip. The latter are more consistent with better service, plus usually often better value, but are predictable and there's zero chance of nice surprises. The bars are somewhere in between, but I prefer focusing on sex, not drinking, and there's a bit too much hassle.
In Pattaya, the freelancer setup (Beach Road, walking street, discos) is more conductive for finding hidden gems, easier for girls to get back to your hotel. Using the the short-time rooms can kill the mood, induce time pressure, and make for an entirely un-memorable experience.
Among the Thai hooker areas, I think Khlong Lot area is slightly more conductive to finding hidden gems than Yaowarat area, though neither is all that great.I'm a freelancer guy as well, mostly streetwalkers. I hardly ever go to the bars anymore. It's like you say, the focus there is on drinking (a lot...) which is not my cup of tea at all. And it's also too much hassle indeed to find the right girl.
Sometimes I barfine a girl from an agogo but usually I only go there for the eye candy, to kill the time and 'to get in the mood' so to speak for the SW that I will pick up later on.
I'm under the impression that more and more SWs in Pattaya seem to prefer the ST rooms. That's why I prefer a hotel close to Beach Road which makes it more easy to persuade them to come to my hotel. 'Time is money' seems to become the credo more and more. When I was in Pattaya earlier this year some of the SWs even said '700 Bath for 1 hour' instead of just '700 Bath' when I asked their price. I was baffled, WTF?
I went to China Town again today. In the alley behind Soi Texas there was only one mamasan with three girls. Two of them were kinda cute and doable and the mamasan quoted me 500 Bath. I think that was a bit too much but I didn't start a negotiation because I wanted to check out the triangle Mit Phan / Maitri Chit / Phantha Chit also. However the quantity and quality over there was much lower than last Sunday evening and I decided to head back to Sukhumvit.
I think I saw the Saengfah hotel on Maitri Chit that you mentioned. Maybe I will check that out next time. However so far I'm not too thrilled about the scene in China Town. And it's a bit too far from Sukhumvit. It's a 10 minute walk to MRT Asok, then a 15 minute ride to Hua Lamphong and then another 10 minute walk. Of course I can take a cab but that takes forever in Bangkok traffic. It's just not worth the hassle I think.
I don't expect any or many of you to understand.That's an understatement. How old are you and how are you making a living in Thailand?
When I had just arrived last week here in Bangkok I was quite exhausted from the long trip and after a meal I decided to go to bed. Usually I go out in the streets to find a SW for a first quick shag before I hit the bed but this time I was not in the mood. And it was already 11 PM anyway.
Around 3 AM, I was still awake because I could not fall asleep, somebody was knocking on my hotel door. I'm not an easily intimidated guy (and not the world's greatest hero either, LOL) but people knocking on my door in the middle of the night? That gives me the creeps man.
At first I ignored it but after 20 seconds or so the knocking was repeated and I heard what sounded like a girl's voice say something. So I got up and I looked through the spyhole (is that the correct word?) in the door. It was indeed a girl as far as I could tell, the spyhole gave a slightly distorted view.
I said something like 'what do you want?' but she didn't answer so I opened the door carefully. There was not a guy (or guys) hiding next to the door so that was a relief. The girl was cute. Not very cute but cute enough. She looked normal and she wasn't drunk or under the influence of some other substance. With 'puppy eyes' she looked straight into mine as if she was in love. She said something to me that sounded like a name but I couldn't tell what it was. It was not English or any other language I know and it didn't sound Thai either. She repeated the word a couple of times, still looking me in the eyes lovingly, and then moved a bit forward. This girl was thinking I was somebody else and wanted to come in! I stopped her and said 'who are you?' and 'I don't think I know you' (I was pretty sure I didn't know her). However she didn't seem to understand English. When she tried to enter the room again I slammed the door in her face. Now I know that was not a very nice thing to do but I was not in a good mode at all because I was damn tired and still I couldn't sleep.
I looked through the spyhole again to see what she was doing. She looked really hurt and confused and to be honest I felt a bit sorry for her. She was lingering for a while and then she knocked on the door again and repeated that name or whatever it was she was saying. I didn't open the door again. What's the use if you can't communicate? Then she left and I never saw her again.
Now I wonder what I would have done if I had been in a good mode and not so tired. I would probably have invited her in and maybe we would have ended up in bed doing naughty things. Damn, that might have been the most memorable encounter in my whole life!
LittleBigMan
11-04-14, 15:31
That's an understatement. How old are you and how are you making a living in Thailand?Read the post the reference was only made regarding skin color. I've been living here for 10 years now and do not making a living here. Has any Thais ever ask you they want you to be 100% Thai?
Read the post the reference was only made regarding skin color. I've been living here for 10 years now and do not making a living here. Has any Thais ever ask you they want you to be 100% Thai?So, you're just another retired expat living in Thailand but for some inexplicable reason you can't keep your mouth shut, your temper in check and your nose where it doesn't belong? Or am I missing something?
Field report day 2: Though billed as opening at 8, doors opened at 8:30, and I was the first customer of the day. Got Ploy, a cute maybe 30 ish lady with immense suction skills. Ploy seated me on a leather loveseat behind a black curtain, removed her shirt and got to work. After about 15 min achieved blastoff, and Ploy swallowed it all to my surprise. 800 b and I gave 200 to Ploy. WIR? Yes, as the early opening is very convenient for getting in some fun before morning meetings.Where was this at? Thanks in advance.
ActionOriented
11-04-14, 17:46
Now I wonder what I would have done if I had been in a good mode and not so tired. I would probably have invited her in and maybe we would have ended up in bed doing naughty things. Damn, that might have been the most memorable encounter in my whole life!Interesting story, but on the flip side, it could just be a con, the girl could very well have gotten into your room and drugged you out under some pretext while you were having fun and then the men who you didn't see at the door would magically appear (too far fetched?) May be I only saw the negatives in the story LOL (it is also likely that you could have had a memorable night). I hope you brought this to the attention of the reception / security at your hotel.
Now I wonder what I would have done if I had been in a good mode and not so tired. I would probably have invited her in and maybe we would have ended up in bed doing naughty things. Damn, that might have been the most memorable encounter in my whole life!Years ago I was staying in a Soi 4 Hotel of dubious quality, heaven knows why. When going up the lift I was followed by a ladyboy, who got out same floor as me and I was concerned that at first was following me. However stopped to knock on someone else's door thank heavens. Probably an escort called up. LOL or?
I suppose yours would not have been a LB, as I would expect LBs to have better English. LOL Then again escorts should have better English too. Probably some really desperate girl from the street who got past security, hoping for someone to weaken.
LittleBigMan
11-05-14, 02:05
So, you're just another retired expat living in Thailand but for some inexplicable reason you can't keep your mouth shut, your temper in check and your nose where it doesn't belong? Or am I missing something?Yes you are missing something more than you can imagine. Your response is you are not a expat but just a visitor in Thailand but for some inexplicable reason you can't keep your mouth shut, your temper in check and your nose where it doesn't belong am I missing something?
PayEmToLeave
11-05-14, 02:52
Where was this at? Thanks in advance.I was at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). The title of my report got chopped.
Where was this at? Thanks in advance.If I am not mistaking, sounds like [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) BJ Bar Soi 8. Ploy should be sponsored by Hoover (LOL).
Interesting story, but on the flip side, it could just be a con, the girl could very well have gotten into your room and drugged you out under some pretext while you were having fun and then the men who you didn't see at the door would magically appear (too far fetched?) May be I only saw the negatives in the story LOL (it is also likely that you could have had a memorable night). I hope you brought this to the attention of the reception / security at your hotel.Yes, in this case I think your scenario is too far fetched. The girl looked very normal and decent and didn't ring any alarm bell. Although that can be part of a well prepared con of course but I doubt it in this case.
Anyway I think they would at least pick a girl who speaks some English and can talk her way into someone's room if it was a con. I think this girl's (temporarily) boy friend stayed in the room prior to me and had left without her knowledge. Why she didn't notice that I was somebody else? Well, don't we 'walking ATMs' all look the same to them? LOL!
And no, I didn't bring this to the attention of the reception / security. Maybe I should have done that but it just wasn't alarming enough to me.
Years ago I was staying in a Soi 4 Hotel of dubious quality, heaven knows why. When going up the lift I was followed by a ladyboy, who got out same floor as me and I was concerned that at first was following me. However stopped to knock on someone else's door thank heavens. Probably an escort called up. LOL or?
I suppose yours would not have been a LB, as I would expect LBs to have better English. LOL Then again escorts should have better English too. Probably some really desperate girl from the street who got past security, hoping for someone to weaken.No she wasn't a LB, I'm sure about that. And she wasn't a desperate SW either I think. Well maybe she was a SW but with her looks (a 7. 5 IMHO) she should be able to attract more than enough customers.
I was at The title of my report. got chopped.It got censored again. There are W A Y S to get around this.
If I am not mistaking, sounds like (censored) BJ Bar Soi 8. Ploy should be sponsored by Hoover (LOL).So Doctor or Dr is now a banned word? (Apparently, not as "Dr" does appears in the text.) YOU are referring to Dr BJ Bar, yes? This third party censorship is a PITA. :(
Now I wonder what I would have done if I had been in a good mode and not so tired. I would probably have invited her in and maybe we would have ended up in bed doing naughty things. Damn, that might have been the most memorable encounter in my whole life!This happens. One night in Pattaya at about 4 am a girl knocked on my hotel room door. She'd been given the wrong room number by her customer. I'd already gotten laid that night and just wanted to sleep so I sent her on her way. A couple of minutes later the phone rings. The receptionist was checking if I'd ordered a girl because her English wasn't too good. Now that's hotel service.
So Doctor or Dr is now a banned word? (Apparently, not as "Dr" does appears in the text.) YOU are referring to Dr BJ Bar, yes? This third party censorship is a PITA. :(Not the good Doc's bar but the other one across the road. A sex Forum and we are not allowed to name bars, hmmmmmmmmmm. Here is a hint, white shirts and pink tartan short skirts so it must be L*S or will that be code names as well.
So Doctor or Dr is now a banned word? (Apparently, not as "Dr" does appears in the text.) YOU are referring to Dr BJ Bar, yes? This third party censorship is a PITA. :(No, I think he's referring to the other well known BJ bar, in Soi 8. The one with the sensitive name that is also used for underaged girls.
This happens. One night in Pattaya at about 4 am a girl knocked on my hotel room door. She'd been given the wrong room number by her customer. I'd already gotten laid that night and just wanted to sleep so I sent her on her way. A couple of minutes later the phone rings. The receptionist was checking if I'd ordered a girl because her English wasn't too good. Now that's hotel service.Now that's another explanation I didn't think of yet!
I went to Nana Plaza parking lot last night around 10 PM. There were a dozen or so FLs hanging around, LBs not included. I approached three girls who were good looking or just seemed nice to me (it's not all about looks) and they quoted me 1200 TB for a ST. The best looking girl even quoted me 1500 TB. She was still young, around 20 I think, and very cute but also a little bit arrogant so I skipped her. And with the other two it just didn't feel right when I had a chat with them.
When I had just arrived I had already noticed a tiny girl who was having a conversation on her cell phone half way down the parking lot with her back turned towards the road. I couldn't see her face but she looked interesting nonetheless. When she had finished her conversation she turned around, saw me looking at her and gave me a sweet smile right away. She was quite good looking, a 7. 5 I would say and when we started chatting it immediately felt good. I was pretty sure this was a nice girl. Her price was 1200 TB, I accepted and we took off in a cab to my hotel.
In the bright lights of the hotel lobby she still looked good (it can be an unpleasant surprise sometimes) albeit slightly older than I thought. I didn't ask for her age but I think she was in her late 20's or maybe early 30's.
After we both had a shower and had hit the bed she took off her towel right away (she wasn't shy and didn't ask to turn off the lights) and revealed a perfect little body. No scars, no stretch marks, no tattoos, no strange spots, no fat; just perfect. A nice A cup with tiny but firm and stiff nipples, a smooth brown skin, a cute butt and a completely bald sweet little pussy (I get a boner again as I'm writing this down, LOL).
She gave me a long BBBJ and it was OK. Not the best I've ever had but certainly not the worst either. She applied a condom to my dick and mounted me for a cow girl but her pussy was still dry so I said I wanted to lick her first. That was no problem at all and she got wet in just a few minutes.
I entered her and she had the tightest pussy that I have felt in a long time. I don't know what it is but compared to the first couple of years of mongering here in SE Asia most pussies just don't feel that tight anymore. I guess I got used to them or my dick has shrunk.
I banged her in missionary, sideways and finally in doggy and although her tight pussy felt good I could not cum. Increasing the tempo didn't help much and anyway it's not my style to bang the shit of these girls. And more than once they have told me they don't like men who do that. Although I also know there are exceptions, some girls ask you to bang them hard.
Anyway, I often have difficulties to cum when I'm wearing a condom. So I took it off and asked her to blow me again. She happily obliged. This girl was really nice, she didn't complain about anything during the whole session. The only disappointment was she didn't allow me to finish in her mouth but since everything else was fine I can live with that.
I gave her 1400 TB and off she went. Thanks sweetie.
No, I think he's referring to the other well known BJ bar, in Soi 8. The one with the sensitive name that is also used for underaged girls.As an experiment, [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). Yes, L O L I T I A S is now a banned word. Wow! Google search found a B L O G listing credit card company's banned words. It has words one would usually associate with this type of censorship. It include some innocuous words as well, like, sleep, drunk and blood. Hmm, not censored, yet!
I went to Nana Plaza parking lot last night around 10 PM. There were a dozen or so FLs hanging around, LBs not included. I approached three girls who were good looking or just seemed nice to me (it's not all about looks) and they quoted me 1200 TB for a ST. The best looking girl even quoted me 1500 TB. She was still young, around 20 I think, and very cute but also a little bit arrogant so I skipped her. And with the other two it just didn't feel right when I had a chat with them.
When I had just arrived I had already noticed a tiny girl who was having a conversation on her cell phone half way down the parking lot with her back turned towards the road. I couldn't see her face but she looked interesting nonetheless. When she had finished her conversation she turned around, saw me looking at her and gave me a sweet smile right away. She was quite good looking, a 7. 5 I would say and when we started chatting it immediately felt good. I was pretty sure this was a nice girl. Her price was 1200 TB, I accepted and we took off in a cab to my hotel..Mogwai,
Good report. The standard for short time for years has been 1000 baut. Though you can negotiate down to 7-800 sometimes in Bangkok. People wonder why Thailand is getting more expensive? The girl started at 1200 baut. You did not even try and talk her down. She would have easily accepted 1000 baut. Then she leaves and you give her 200 baut on top of that probably because she asked for more money a tip. Eventually, the girls will start to ask for 1400 baut and it just keeps going up from there. The point here is not to argue about 200 baut or 400 baut. It is not about being cheap. It is about keeping the prices low in Thailand. If I pay 1000 baut and she asks for a tip. I always say this is your tip and lightly smack her butt playfully or say tip included in the 1000. They always smile and laugh and leave happy. I do this not to be cheap. But, to live what I preach and do my part to keep prices low. Now one person doing this will not drive prices up. But how about if 100 people do this or a 1000 or 20000? Please, respectively help keep prices low.
I'm a freelancer guy as well, mostly streetwalkers. I hardly ever go to the bars anymore. It's like you say, the focus there is on drinking (a lot...) which is not my cup of tea at all. And it's also too much hassle indeed to find the right girl.
Sometimes I barfine a girl from an agogo but usually I only go there for the eye candy, to kill the time and 'to get in the mood' so to speak for the SW that I will pick up later on.
I'm under the impression that more and more SWs in Pattaya seem to prefer the ST rooms. That's why I prefer a hotel close to Beach Road which makes it more easy to persuade them to come to my hotel. 'Time is money' seems to become the credo more and more. When I was in Pattaya earlier this year some of the SWs even said '700 Bath for 1 hour' instead of just '700 Bath' when I asked their price. I was baffled, WTF?
I went to China Town again today...Mogwai,
I am in Pattaya now and never heard a girls say short time for one hour. Are you Japanese? I have noticed Japanese love spending money here and if the girl thinks you are Japanese she will try to get you to pay more.
Now short time in 2014 does appear to be an hour starting when you two hit the bed. But, I will say Thailand is becoming different. If I am pumping a girl for more than 7 minutes I see girls starting to wonder when I will finish. If I go past 10 minutes they start to ask me when I am going to cum. So lets say its an hour. What does one hour include is a good question? What you think it includes and what she think may be two different things. Of all the girls I have been with in Pattaya only one let me just pound away and not start to complain or give me the looks to finish.
Last night I approached this delicious looking young girl who was standing near the entrance to Thermae. She was quite young (very early 20's I think), had minimal English and acted a little bit shy but nevertheless I could tell she already had some experience with farang / customers. Her name was Em (or Am or M like in the Bond movies, whatever).
An older SW who was standing next to her acted as translator but later on acted more like a mamasan or even pimpette. She told me it was the girl's first day (yeah right, I saw her yesterday already) and she would like to receive 2000 TB for a ST. Now this girl was a solid 8, at the least, but that is of course a ridiculous price for a SW. After some negotiation I got her down to 1500 TB but when I was about to leave with the girl the 'pimpette' suddenly said she wanted to be paid in advance. I wasn't already too thrilled about this 'pimpette' and this was the final alarm bell. So I called it off and walked away.
Does anyone else have experience with this girl? She's really hot, some guys will even call her gorgeous I think but for me she's somewhere between hot and gorgeous.
I spent 5 days in Patong and now enjoying some real mongering in BKK. This is what mongering is all about. Tons of pussy begging to be fucked, Soi Cowboy was fun, plenty of everything, drink sluts, hotties, LBs (way too good looking too), much more pussy than saugage on the street. I found the mst hot women in Cowboy 2 but many of the best lookers were drink sluts.
After a long barhop w my bro we ended up at a mobile bar on Sukhumvit. There I met 2 decent looking ladies ready to fuck my brains out and they did exactly that, full on DOUBLE GFE in a ST hotel for close to 2 hours. It was a great session, these ladies are just heaven sent, thank you God.
These 2 20 somethings were on me like I was on them. One lady was screaming while riding me the other kissing me. My kissing partner and I could not believe how hot and sexy the one riding was, bucking, head shaking, screaming in estacy.
While this is happening I'm thinking this one is worth another 1500 b tomorrow night. What a show!
I'll be hunting the next 2 days and nights in BKK and it is sweet and easy. I love this place, tons of hotties and action. Too much of a good thing is what we have, right here, right now.
Just chipping in w / some fresh info round 2 is about to start.
Cheers.
IllusionHeart
11-06-14, 10:04
Last night I approached this delicious looking young girl who was standing near the entrance to Thermae. She was quite young (very early 20's I think), had minimal English and acted a little bit shy but nevertheless I could tell she already had some experience with farang / customers. Her name was Em (or Am or M like in the Bond movies, whatever).
An older SW who was standing next to her acted as translator but later on acted more like a mamasan or even pimpette. She told me it was the girl's first day (yeah right, I saw her yesterday already) and she would like to receive 2000 TB for a ST. Now this girl was a solid 8, at the least, but that is of course a ridiculous price for a SW. After some negotiation I got her down to 1500 TB but when I was about to leave with the girl the 'pimpette' suddenly said she wanted to be paid in advance. I wasn't already too thrilled about this 'pimpette' and this was the final alarm bell. So I called it off and walked away.
Does anyone else have experience with this girl? She's really hot, some guys will even call her gorgeous I think but for me she's somewhere between hot and gorgeous.Mogwai,
In case you are referring to the short and cute one who stands just opposite to the exit of Sofitel. I had seen her approached by a guy and then a fat matured one came and asked for 2 baht. I had crossed by then. When I returned in 10 minutes to the hotel she was gone. Have seen her twice in the evening. On Tuesday and Monday night.
Last night I approached this delicious looking young girl who was standing near the entrance to Thermae. She was quite young (very early 20's I think), had minimal English and acted a little bit shy but nevertheless I could tell she already had some experience with farang / customers. Her name was Em (or Am or M like in the Bond movies, whatever).
An older SW who was standing next to her acted as translator but later on acted more like a mamasan or even pimpette. She told me it was the girl's first day (yeah right, I saw her yesterday already) and she would like to receive 2000 TB for a ST. Now this girl was a solid 8, at the least, but that is of course a ridiculous price for a SW. After some negotiation I got her down to 1500 TB but when I was about to leave with the girl the 'pimpette' suddenly said she wanted to be paid in advance. I wasn't already too thrilled about this 'pimpette' and this was the final alarm bell. So I called it off and walked away.
Does anyone else have experience with this girl? She's really hot, some guys will even call her gorgeous I think but for me she's somewhere between hot and gorgeous.That was a good call not paying upfront. I have never had a good experience paying up front in Thailand. Once they have you money they start with the rules. You can't do this that, only one position, hurry up cum now. Ect. Much better to walk.
Pipe Layer99
11-06-14, 14:33
I spent 5 days in Patong and now enjoying some real mongering in BKK.
After a long barhop w my bro we ended up at a mobile bar on Sukhumvit. There I met 2 decent looking ladies ready to fuck my brains out and they did exactly that, full on DOUBLE GFE in a ST hotel for close to 2 hours. It was a great session
Cheers.Can you share more about the ladies and bars in Patong?
In Bangkok, I usually check out the scene around soi 21, soi comboy, and the many soi 4-11 bars / clubs. Never visited Patong. Heard too many stories of all the BS scams at some of the bars.
I agree, one can get lucky at the outdoor little street bar set ups. I met a gem at one last year right outside of soi cowboy. I wasn't about to bar fine an overpriced hottie in the gogo (just went in to look and have some drinks). After checking 3-4 gogos I left to go by soi 11 and I ran into a pretty and sexy lady at one of the little bars right between soi cowboy and sukhumvit. Small talk was good. That led to a few rounds of drinks and off we went to my hotel for 1500 LT (and 300 barfine). The next afternoon I told her to come back again. She went to change and came back a few hours later. We agreed on no barfine for the second day, only the donation for her (it was her sisters mobile bar). 2nd day was just as good as the first. Lost contact with this one afterwards. I guess she went back to the farm.
Can you share more about the ladies and bars in Patong?
In Bangkok, I usually check out the scene around soi 21, soi comboy, and the many soi 4-11 bars / clubs. Never visited Patong. Heard too many stories of all the BS scams at some of the bars.Pipe; I think he's referring to Patong which is an entertainment area on the island of Phuket in southern Thailand, and you're thinking about Patpong which is an entertainment venue in BKK; 2 different places entirely.
Hello brother mongers,
I will be in thailand for a few days on a golfing holiday. I need information on some top class escort agencies (CIS, Central Asian, south east Asian). Can any of the seniors PM me the details. I will be reaching Bangkok on Saturday morning.
Thank you in advance.
Fast Eddie 48
11-06-14, 21:00
Hello brother mongers,
I will be in thailand for a few days on a golfing holiday. I need information on some top class escort agencies (CIS, Central Asian, south east Asian). Can any of the seniors PM me the details. I will be reaching Bangkok on Saturday morning.
Thank you in advance.To Romeo2882.
Just hope for good sunny weather it rain every day when I was there a few week ago, you don't want to play golf in the rain but you can also do some indoor sport in your hotel room.
Fast eddie 48.
Carpediemyes
11-06-14, 21:49
Hello brother mongers,
I will be in thailand for a few days on a golfing holiday. I need information on some top class escort agencies (CIS, Central Asian, south east Asian). Can any of the seniors PM me the details. I will be reaching Bangkok on Saturday morning.
Thank you in advance.http://bangkokescortsdir.com/ . Bangkokgold is highly rated by most.
TwoTimeTed
11-06-14, 22:45
You guys hear this all the time, but I'm going to Thailand in a few months so, been researching the terms here.
For the longest time I couldn't figure some of it out.
Here's what I know:
ST = short time.
LT = long time.
LB= Lady Boy.
I'm trying to figure out what this Soi is, is that food? Soy sauce?
All these weird names of places are just spinning my head, I guess a map with these places pointed out would be great if anyone has one.
I'm coming from the states, Las Vegas specifically, but that doesn't matter. My plans are to be in Bankcock and Pattaya.
Do you actually go into the beach waters clean?
BT. Baht currency at $1 USA for $33 Thailand Baht at this writing right?
What are the exchange fees for this? Do they take regular dollars? I know to go to Nana plaza, is a shopping mall with chicks or sex mall?
Hello brother mongers,
I will be in thailand for a few days on a golfing holiday. I need information on some top class escort agencies (CIS, Central Asian, south east Asian). Can any of the seniors PM me the details. I will be reaching Bangkok on Saturday morning.
Thank you in advance.You'll need to pony up for a paid membership if you expect anybody to PM you.
Has anybody got a HJ or more from from a massage offered at the hotels? Hoe strict are the hotels on this?
Thanks.
Can you share more about the ladies and bars in Patong?
In Bangkok, I usually check out the scene around soi 21, soi comboy, and the many soi 4-11 bars / clubs. Never visited Patong. Heard too many stories of all the BS scams at some of the bars.
I agree, one can get lucky at the outdoor little street bar set ups. I met a gem at one last year right outside of soi cowboy. I wasn't about to bar fine an overpriced hottie in the gogo (just went in to look and have some drinks). After checking 3-4 gogos I left to go by soi 11 and I ran into a pretty and sexy lady at one of the little bars right between soi cowboy and sukhumvit. Small talk was good. That led to a few rounds of drinks and off we went to my hotel for 1500 LT (and 300 barfine). The next afternoon I told her to come back again. She went to change and came back a few hours later. We agreed on no barfine for the second day, only the donation for her (it was her sisters mobile bar). 2nd day was just as good as the first. Lost contact with this one afterwards. I guess she went back to the farm.
I stayed at the Horizon Beach Resort in Patong, Phuket. The island is nice w / some spectacular sightseeing. Patong is full of tourist families (wall to wall people) and p4p is a small part of the scene.
If you like cbjs and no GFE w / high prices then you'll like Patong.
Karon Beach was the best thing about Patong IMO. I'll put a TR in the Phuket section soon. A few pics of Karon Beach and one pic near Ko Phi Phi.
Oh, if you want to see the current destruction of these beautiful locales just take a day tour to Bamboo Island, Ko Phi Phi. The boat operators are a dropping a thousand achors a day on these delicate fish habitats and guess what? No fish. The tour was not an enjoyable day for me, what a shame.
Wolvenvacht
11-07-14, 05:05
Hello brother mongers,
I will be in thailand for a few days on a golfing holiday. I need information on some top class escort agencies (CIS, Central Asian, south east Asian). Can any of the seniors PM me the details. I will be reaching Bangkok on Saturday morning.
Thank you in advance.There is a separate forum for escort agencies. Did you check that? Or do us senior members have to order one for you, bring her to you and assist you with putting your dick in her as well?
Come on! Show some effort!
Wolvenvacht
11-07-14, 05:29
You guys hear this all the time, but I'm going to Thailand in a few months so, been researching the terms here.
For the longest time I couldn't figure some of it out.
Here's what I know:
ST = short time.
LT = long time.
LB= Lady Boy.So far, so good!
I'm trying to figure out what this Soi is, is that food? Soy sauce?
Soi is the Thai word for "side-street" or "alley". Only the main streets have proper names and the streets more or less perpendicular to this main street are numbered "Soi 1", "Soi 3', "Soi 5", . . . on one side and "Soi 2", "Soi 4", "Soi 6", . . . on the other side. To make it totally easy on you, some have both a proper name and (one or more) "Soi" numbers. Yes, This is Thailand (aka "TIT")
All these weird names of places are just spinning my head, I guess a map with these places pointed out would be great if anyone has one.
Google maps is quite good. Your hotel in Bangkok will probably have a free map for you too. Many bookshops sell Bangkok street maps. Many years ago I bought one that has a plastic cover. Very handy when it rains! Now I just download an updated map for my hand-held GPS.
I'm coming from the states, Las Vegas specifically, but that doesn't matter. My plans are to be in Bankcock and Pattaya.
It's Bangkok. The official name is "Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Ayuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit" and Thai people will shorten that to "Krung Thep" or "City of Angels". Bangkok means "Garden of Wild Plums". I think both names are very well chosen! (wink wink).
Do you actually go into the beach waters clean?The Pattaya beach water may look clean but isn't.
BT. Baht currency at $1 USA for $33 Thailand Baht at this writing right?
What are the exchange fees for this? Do they take regular dollars?The exchange booths don't charge fees. Only change the bare minimum at the airport as they have the worst exchange rates. Perhaps 100 or 200 USD only. Crisp new 100 USD bills get you better rates than old crumpled small bills.
I know to go to Nana plaza, is a shopping mall with chicks or sex mall?Nana Entertainment Plaza is a court-yard with three floors of bars and clubs. For a newbie it can be quite overwhelming and I suggest you first try Soi Cowboy which is somewhat more "friendly" and has only a limited number of LB's (unless you go into the "Cock-a-too" bar) prowling around. Suzi Wong is a good start. The level of hustling is minimal. As from 10 PM there are nude shows and there are all types of girls. If you're in for a LT experience, aim for about 3000 to 3500 baht. They will "smell" you are new, so they will start higher. Just smile and stand your ground.
Have fun!
Wolvenvacht, you are too good for this world to answer all these questions in someone's first post.
TwoTimeTed, please RTFF. What that means? Look in the Abbreviations list.
It takes a lot of time and effort to figure out how the P4 P scene works but that's exactly what this forum is for, so I repeat: RTFF. And yes, that means reading reading reading page after page after page and using Google and Google Maps quite a lot to look things up. So lock yourself up for a couple of days; believe me it will be worth the effort. Come to Thailand prepared otherwise it will be a big disappointment.
Girls don't want to say short time is 1 hour because some guys will hold them to it. Many times it takes 10 minute to complete the job.
Its not really much fun for them having a fat bald sweaty man all over them.
TwoTimeTed
11-07-14, 10:11
Wolvenvacht, you are too good for this world to answer all these questions in someone's first post.
TwoTimeTed, please RTFF. What that means? Look in the Abbreviations list.
It takes a lot of time and effort to figure out how the P4 P scene works but that's exactly what this forum is for, so I repeat: RTFF. And yes, that means reading reading reading page after page after page and using Google and Google Maps quite a lot to look things up. So lock yourself up for a couple of days; believe me it will be worth the effort. Come to Thailand prepared otherwise it will be a big disappointment.Mogwai,
I may be green on this forum but I have experience on the USA board. I have RTFF and getting prepared is exactly what I'm doing. I just did not get some of the lingo and had to make a post on it, so I did. The abbreviations will drown a newbie on this board but I understand its a work in progress, I get it.
I just needed a couple of shortcuts on a couple of items and thank the guy that responded, if you want to make life hard on others I guess you can do that, but you can't save all the women for yourself, I'm a coming soon!
SirWilliam4
11-07-14, 11:30
Hello brother mongers,
I will be in thailand for a few days on a golfing holiday. I need information on some top class escort agencies (CIS, Central Asian, south east Asian). Can any of the seniors PM me the details. I will be reaching Bangkok on Saturday morning.
Thank you in advance.Have you even bothered to look at the forum devoted to exactly the question you just asked? Just askin'.
SW4.
Monsieur1875
11-07-14, 12:30
Last night I approached this delicious looking young girl who was standing near the entrance to Thermae. She was quite young (very early 20's I think), had minimal English and acted a little bit shy but nevertheless I could tell she already had some experience with farang / customers. Her name was Em (or Am or M like in the Bond movies, whatever).
An older SW who was standing next to her acted as translator but later on acted more like a mamasan or even pimpette. She told me it was the girl's first day (yeah right, I saw her yesterday already) and she would like to receive 2000 TB for a ST. Now this girl was a solid 8, at the least, but that is of course a ridiculous price for a SW. After some negotiation I got her down to 1500 TB but when I was about to leave with the girl the 'pimpette' suddenly said she wanted to be paid in advance. I wasn't already too thrilled about this 'pimpette' and this was the final alarm bell. So I called it off and walked away.
Does anyone else have experience with this girl? She's really hot, some guys will even call her gorgeous I think but for me she's somewhere between hot and gorgeous.I have no way of knowing if this is the same girl but I barfined a girl that looks just like this one (same description, cutie, same name, ect.) at the beginning of the week from Spankys.
She's cute and nice body but she's way too professional (lying on the price of the short time rooms) and I totally regretted not choosing another one.
Of course it sounds strange you met her on the street when I found her in Spankys but the description seems to match.
Pipe Layer99
11-07-14, 16:13
Pipe; I think he's referring to Patong which is an entertainment area on the island of Phuket in southern Thailand, and you're thinking about Patpong which is an entertainment venue in BKK; 2 different places entirely.Yeah you're right. I must have been half asleep when I read his post. LOL.
Pipe Layer99
11-07-14, 16:16
I stayed at the Horizon Beach Resort in Patong, Phuket. The island is nice w / some spectacular sightseeing. Patong is full of tourist families (wall to wall people) and p4p is a small part of the scene.
If you like cbjs and no GFE w / high prices then you'll like Patong.
Karon Beach was the best thing about Patong IMO. I'll put a TR in the Phuket section soon. A few pics of Karon Beach and one pic near Ko Phi Phi.
Oh, if you want to see the current destruction of these beautiful locales just take a day tour to Bamboo Island, Ko Phi Phi. The boat operators are a dropping a thousand achors a day on these delicate fish habitats and guess what? No fish. The tour was not an enjoyable day for me, what a shame.Thanks Socker. Good info.
Also good that you found and enjoyed the 2 cuties on your trip.
Looks like we are getting requests for info from newbies lately. While some of us tell the poster to RTFF while others come to the rescue. I think it is time to start a new thread called Newbie Questions so that some of us don't get irritated whille others can respond to them out of their goodness of heart.
So Jackson, how about it.
If you are looking for a general map they use to have them in the area where you get your luggage and the money changers are located. They are just basic maps but do show the main streets and some of the points of interest. Now this was a couple of years ago so might have changed now.
Girls don't want to say short time is 1 hour because some guys will hold them to it. Many times it takes 10 minute to complete the job.
Its not really much fun for them having a fat bald sweaty man all over them.Not a fat bald sweaty man but your first sentence sums up exactly why I go to oilies. I am buying a block of time and can pop as many times as I want during that time. Guys often complain about the costs of P4 P in places like the US. But in the US when you buy an hour you get an hour. With a GoGo gal if you shoot in 10 min you are done and as dudes from this board have observed most guys are in ST hotels for less than 20 min and remember that includes showers before and after.
LittleBigMan
11-08-14, 03:10
Looks like we are getting requests for info from newbies lately. While some of us tell the poster to RTFF while others come to the rescue. I think it is time to start a new thread called Newbie Questions so that some of us don't get irritated whille others can respond to them out of their goodness of heart.
So Jackson, how about it.Good suggestion but I for one do not want one. Maybe Jackson can make a notation to Newbie when signing up to check the particular thread to do some or little research? " Highly suggested before asking Questions familiarize yourself with the Forum and Threads as to not get a negative response from some Senior Member " History dictates the future? And so far creating new thread each time someone gets irritated has not been the solution. The more that is added the more confusing Newbie gets by looking at the current format so they ask Questions to cut through the paperwork?
Vote: Yes = 1.
No = 1.
Has anybody got a HJ or more from from a massage offered at the hotels? Hoe strict are the hotels on this?
Thanks.
My impression is that BKK hotels are more into money than morals, and for in-room massage sex is quite common. But as all kinds of sex services are widely available all over BKK, I have never bothered to ask (the also overpriced) massage girls in hotels there.
In general, with some carefully worded hints from you (and a visible indicator that you need a relief after the massage is finished), such services are normally offered by the girl if this is on her menu. If you take your time for some small talk before starting, and make enough signs of pleasure during massage, the ice should be sufficiently broken for her to suggest what's available at the end.
If she is not into this, she will anyway be used to clients getting aroused, that's nothing to be ashamed of even if the deal is strictly massage. A lady in Moscow even made a point of it for me to watch, when each time she squeezed my thigh muscles, the tent pole under the towel grew taller. We had a great laugh about it, but nothing sexual happened other than she gave me a short kiss and a slap on my butt as she left the room.
In some other countries I have had great success through this subtle approach: HJ, CBJ, BBBJ, BBBJTCWS, CFS, and, believe it or not, even landed a handful of freebies this way! My now regular GF in Jakarta is one example, she did not mention any extra services, nor asked for any extra charge, but simply drifted on into steaming sex and a genuine GFE after a massage session. I moved to another hotel next morning, in order to continue our relationship without the scrutinizing eyes of her manager. Otherwise it probably would have cost her the job.
One trick worth sharing: Ask her early on how much guests normally tip her. If she is into extras, she will probably mention somehow that there are two leagues of tippers. Then the rest is plain sailing.
Monger on!
-Peff.
HotShaneHot
11-08-14, 12:43
Looks like we are getting requests for info from newbies lately. While some of us tell the poster to RTFF while others come to the rescue. I think it is time to start a new thread called Newbie Questions so that some of us don't get irritated whille others can respond to them out of their goodness of heart.
So Jackson, how about it.If the newbies did their home work we not need it.
It's all there if they go read and look.
After 2 weeks in Pattaya, 2 weeks BKK:
Bamboo massage: 3000 baht, great massage +sex.
Beergarden: beerbarbeauties, wow.
Thermae: loved the atmosphere, but. Strange place, definitely worth a visit.
Dr BJs bar: went there 4 times, loved it; 700 bht for BJ and you can have sex too (for more baht of course).
Nana: cold, old, . Only went to Baccara (surrounded by Koreans / Japanese people), where I saw the most beautiful girls of my entire trip.
Eden club: had a threesome, professional, not bad.
Aloft hotel: I recommend it!
Sofitel Sukhumvit: I recommend it even more but it's 2 x the price of Aloft.
Disco levels: recommended (and opposite.
Oscars: up-level night club / bar / resto with niice girls.
Soi Cowboy: next year.
Solo Traveler
11-09-14, 01:04
I've concluded that any / many of you will never be asked to be 100% Thai because you are white. See the equation is this I look like them, they think I'm one of them until I speak, I'm 50% already there now all they have to do is change the other 50%, learn more Thai, I eat Thai food just like Chinese except spicy?
Once they met me it was love at first sight because of all the stuff I just mention to you. Shit I can see it on their face and I heard them " he looks like us and has money? ".
Let's be straight here! We are talking in generalization and that includes me! I think we can all agree that Bangkok being the capital has lot more to offer in terms of education, culture, and a greater variety of people in how they think? It has been point out there are wonderful poor uneducated people upcountry.
People come in all shape and size and live everywhere but Pattaya does seem to bring or let say teach the innocents who come the worse part about Thailand?
In the end, everyone is different looking for different things and paying different prices including looks, the conversation goes on and on but whatever one decides just enjoy and nothing stays the same?
Hi LittleBigMan,
I am an Asian American as well. However, unlike you, I was not born & grew up there. I was an immigrant. Anyway, I got my education, worked, and lived in both sides for about 50%:50% of my life time, which made me now 50% Asian & 50% American, I guess.
From your posts, I can see that you're 100% American, but the Thai people want you to be 100% Thai because of your Asian descent.
So, in the end, you're be stuck in a situation that you don't get the privileges which a Farang usually receives from the Thai people, nor do you get the privileges of being accepted as a Thai.
But you have to remember that the thing is, the US is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants, and Thailand is not.
In the US, you can decide to be what you want to be. You can either choose to be melt into the mot and integrate into the society as an American, or you can also choose to live in a bubble in a specific community happily as a Thai, a Chinese, a Japanese, etc. It's your call to be an insider (an American) or an outsider (non-American).
On the other hand, in most Asian countries, it is usually the majority of the local people who decide what you can be. For instance, guys with a Western face will always be seen as a foreigner, a farang, an outsider. Even if they were born, grew up, live in Thailand, and speak Thai as their mother tongue, they will never be fully accepted as a Thai.
By the same token, in your case, you look like a Thai ('cause you're Asian) to them, so they automatically see you as a Thai, a local, an insider.
You see what I mean?
They can't understand and accept the idea that a White guy can be 100% Thai or that an Asian guy can be 100% American. It's not in their mindset.
I am not judging. It's just my observation.
In your case, you seem to bothered by the fact that they actually see you as a Thai. You don't want to be seen as a Thai. You want to be seen as a Farang and you always stay away of anything that may make you Thai.
I can somehow relate you on this one. There was a time in my life that I really wanted to have a Western face in order to make my life easier, in both sides.
Lastly, in my opinion, Pattaya is like Las Vegas somehow.
North American pals here, let me explain it this way.
What you see and experience in Las Vegas represent nothing about the real US, and living in Las Vegas surely won't be like living in LOS Angeles, New York, Toronto, or Vancouver.
Even if you live in New York for your whole life, for example, you still don't see the whole picture of it.
What you see and experience depend on where you live, your lifestyle, your hobby, and so many other factors.
By the same token, the above statements applies to every corner in this world.
Anyway, good luck and happy mongering, everyone!
Or is it still raining everyday? A lot or just a short downpour? Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks in advance.
Hello brother mongers,
I will be in thailand for a few days on a golfing holiday. I need information on some top class escort agencies (CIS, Central Asian, south east Asian). Can any of the seniors PM me the details. I will be reaching Bangkok on Saturday morning.
Thank you in advance.You can also get outcall from many massage shops for half the price or less than escort agencies. Just google mango massage, bamboo massage, snow white massage, cherry massage, all star massage, ez massage, apple massage, addict massage, dream heaven massage, pretty massage, and thanks massage for pictures and rates.
ActionOriented
11-09-14, 04:33
Nana: cold, old, . Only went to Baccara (surrounded by Koreans / Japanese people), where I saw the most beautiful girls of my entire trip.
Soi Cowboy: next year.Unless you got the name of the place wrong, you appear to have visited soi Cowboy. Bacarra is in soi Cowboy and not Nana Entertainment Plaza.
Mogwai,
I may be green on this forum but I have experience on the USA board. I have RTFF and getting prepared is exactly what I'm doing. I just did not get some of the lingo and had to make a post on it, so I did. The abbreviations will drown a newbie on this board but I understand its a work in progress, I get it.
I just needed a couple of shortcuts on a couple of items and thank the guy that responded, if you want to make life hard on others I guess you can do that, but you can't save all the women for yourself, I'm a coming soon!Fair enough. Now you're giving some background information that you'd better had given in your first post. Then I might have replied less 'agressive'.
And don't worry, I won't save all the women for myself. Except for some gems, LOL!
Thanks for the info, I was guessing what you said that extras would be available but probably double of you can find outside, but there is always that extra arausal if it comes from a "legit" place.
My impression is that BKK hotels are more into money than morals, and for in-room massage sex is quite common. But as all kinds of sex services are widely available all over BKK, I have never bothered to ask (the also overpriced) massage girls in hotels there.
In general, with some carefully worded hints from you (and a visible indicator that you need a relief after the massage is finished), such services are normally offered by the girl if this is on her menu. If you take your time for some small talk before starting, and make enough signs of pleasure during massage, the ice should be sufficiently broken for her to suggest what's available at the end.
If she is not into this, she will anyway be used to clients getting aroused, that's nothing to be ashamed of even if the deal is strictly massage. A lady in Moscow even made a point of it for me to watch, when each time she squeezed my thigh muscles, the tent pole under the towel grew taller. We had a great laugh about it, but nothing sexual happened other than she gave me a short kiss and a slap on my butt as she left the room.
In some other countries I have had great success through this subtle approach: HJ, CBJ, BBBJ, BBBJTCWS, CFS, and, believe it or not, even landed a handful of freebies this way! My now regular GF in Jakarta is one example, she did not mention any extra services, nor asked for any extra charge, but simply drifted on into steaming sex and a genuine GFE after a massage session. I moved to another hotel next morning, in order to continue our relationship without the scrutinizing eyes of her manager. Otherwise it probably would have cost her the job.
One trick worth sharing: Ask her early on how much guests normally tip her. If she is into extras, she will probably mention somehow that there are two leagues of tippers. Then the rest is plain sailing.
Monger on!
-Peff.
Wolvenvacht, you are too good for this world to answer all these questions in someone's first post.
TwoTimeTed, please RTFF. What that means? Look in the Abbreviations list.
It takes a lot of time and effort to figure out how the P4 P scene works but that's exactly what this forum is for, so I repeat: RTFF. And yes, that means reading reading reading page after page after page and using Google and Google Maps quite a lot to look things up. So lock yourself up for a couple of days; believe me it will be worth the effort. Come to Thailand prepared otherwise it will be a big disappointment.Yes Wolvenvacht is a good guy. I would have advised the guy to try Google search first up to find out very basic things like "what is a Soi?" Google is always your friend. Often guys use American jargon on this forum and I have to look up Google to find out what it means, e. G. "my bad", "poontang", etc. These are things never heard of back home.
I think "RTFF" is greatly over used though. You can always ignore questions that are not interesting to you personally and let someone else answer. There is plenty of tangent stuff not even related to mongering on this forum.
To Duniawala, no we don't need a new thread for newbie questions. I would rather have all non-mongering topics moved to another thread. I always thought the general Thread was for that, but this is not generally followed.
Save your RTFF for experienced posters who should know how to do all the searches for info, or are expected to read the forum regularly.
Summary report of my first Bangkok visit. I'm on a limited budget and will be traveling for another five weeks, so I didn't try quite as much as I would have on a shorter vacation.
Day 1.
Kasalong blowjob bar. Picked a pretty cute young girl, which might have been a mistake, as the blowjob was fairly unremarkable, no attempt at deep throat (and I'm quite average) and she pulled her mouth away after the first spurt.
Not what I had expected in a dedicated BJ bar.
4/10 (might be too generous considering the venue).
Bought a few lady drinks in bars around Nana. Plus for a cute, smiling, skinny girl in Angelwitch (she pulled me in). But I was too tired the first night for anything more.
Day 2.
Took the girl from Angelwitch back to my hotel for ST. Became rather more business like on the way there, but was still decent. Shared shower and DFK. She was out the door after the first shot though.
Barfine 1000, ST 2000.
6/10 (I feel like I might be too generous again, maybe you should just subtract a point from all my scores if you're a mongering veteran).
Day 3.
Bell at Cherry Massage. Now things were picking up. 90 minutes, two shots (anal on offer but we skipped it) and an excellent and very thorough neck to toes, front and back oil massage in the middle.
Poor English but she was a very nice and funny girl through body language and laughs. Reminded me a little of a Russian girl I had in Greece who was also adorably funny with barely any words spoken.
8/10 (massage was a 9).
At night there was some kind of holiday, and I should probably have known better than taking a fairly drunk bar girl back to my hotel. Outrageous 1000 baht barfine (claimed it was because of the holiday), plus 1500 to her, and in my room she was trying to weasel out of having sex. I told her she could leave if she didn't want the money. Obviously she didn't pick that option.
Not a bad fuck for a drunk girl really. I've had worse one night stands. No proper kissing though, but I didn't care when I can see that it's just going to be a lackluster release anyway.
5/10.
Day 4.
No. 1 at Dr BJ Nuru Massage, for two hours in the VIP room. She's a bit chubby and average face, but I was in the mood for curves and I liked her smile in the lineup.
Very friendly girl with pretty good English, and we talked a lot. Nice showers, nuru massage feels great (almost a tad too slippery though, not much friction) and in the bed she was extremely eager to please. She tried very hard to make me come a second time, which I unfortunately couldn't.
8/10 (very different experience from the one with Bell, but I'd say they were about equally good).
Very tired from the heat and sightseeing, so no more fun that night. Well, except for a walk through Soi Cowboy and a drink with an extremely chatty girl in a go-go. I like the Nana to Soi 11 area better.
Day 5.
GFE in a reportedly PSE massage place. I'm terrible with names, but looking at the Snow White list on the Lily Massage website, I'm 99% sure the girl was Ta.
Bit of an odd entry though, at least ten girls at work, but I wasn't offered a lineup, Ta just walked out like she was next in line (which she might have been). I'm happy I didn't object.
Very cute and smiling girl with a nice body.
We didn't talk much the first of the two hours. Though it then turned out her English was a bit better than she had first made me think. But from the three long showers to the time on the bed, she was constantly eager to kiss and hold each other close.
Deep throat, anal, close and intimate cowgirl. We never really got around to the oil massage though. She started a bit in the middle without oil, but then we just ended up lying down and kissing again before round two. Also worked very hard to make me come a second time, finally succeeded in the last shower.
9. 5/10.
Lessons learned from first Thailand trip. The popular massage places seem a much safer bet for a potentially good or great experience, than spending too much money on lady drinks (and I'm not much of a drinker myself these days) and barfines, to then have a high risk of bringing home a girl who can barely manage to feign interest, and is out the door a minute after you pull out.
I'm sure there are gems in the bars, go-gos and among freelancers, but it looks to me like it could. Depending on luck. Take quite a bit of time and money to find any. Meanwhile in three massage experiences two were very good and one was excellent. And they all ran until the time agreed upon.
A related lesson learned is that the lower Sukhumvit is a bad place to stay if you don't want to feel compelled to go out and spend money on drinks and lady drinks every night, and would rather save it for the massage shops.
Summary report of my first Bangkok ......
Lessons learned from first Thailand trip. The popular massage places seem a much safer bet for a potentially good or great experience, than spending too much money on lady drinks (and I'm not much of a drinker myself these days) and barfines, to then have a high risk of bringing home a girl who can barely manage to feign interest, and is out the door a minute after you pull out.
I'm sure there are gems in the bars, go-gos and among freelancers, but it looks to me like it could. Depending on luck. Take quite a bit of time and money to find any. Meanwhile in three massage experiences two were very good and one was excellent. And they all ran until the time agreed upon.
A related lesson learned is that the lower Sukhumvit is a bad place to stay if you don't want to feel compelled to go out and spend money on drinks and lady drinks every night, and would rather save it for the massage shops.Yes. That's how I increasingly feel about agogos of today. It's more of a rip off game than anything else. The dancers keep pushing for LDs. Any sign of weakness on your part, pretty soon her sister dancers' will join in, then the waitresses, then the mamasans.
At the oilies, one is assured of better services generally and fixed prices.
Toumai
Unless you got the name of the place wrong, you appear to have visited soi Cowboy. Bacarra is in soi Cowboy and not Nana Entertainment Plaza.Oops, sorry, the name of the agogo was Rainbow 1 of course.
Key Master
11-12-14, 08:00
Or is it still raining everyday? A lot or just a short downpour? Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks in advance.I was just in Bangkok for a few days. It rained once while I was out for a few minutes. I didn't see rain again while there. I got to Pattaya recently and it rained lightly here and there, but nothing heavy.
Or is it still raining everyday? A lot or just a short downpour? Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks in advance.I have been on the ground in BKK for a week now. Very little rain 90 F during the day and not too humid. Pleasant at night. All in all very good weather.
SL.
For those who are interested. I got 32.75 B per USD today for pristine $100 USD bills from the arab money changers in lower Suk. Happy with that, but with the dollar surging hopefully I can do better in the coming days and weeks. Stay away from the bank change booths they seem to be in the 32.45 B to 32.55 B range.
And for those of you who want to track the rates: I use the USD-THB cross on x-rates.com or xe.com and subtract. 10 B and it is usually pretty close.
SL.
For those who are interested. I got 32.75 B per USD today for pristine $100 USD bills from the arab money changers in lower Suk. Happy with that, but with the dollar surging hopefully I can do better in the coming days and weeks. Stay away from the bank change booths they seem to be in the 32.45 B to 32.55 B range.
And for those of you who want to track the rates: I use the USD-THB cross on x-rates.com or xe.com and subtract. 10 B and it is usually pretty close.
SL.Your savings is roughly 1 percent. So if you drop 2 grand over the course of your trip on sex, food and drink that's a $20 premium. I maintain that $20 is an acceptable premium to pay for NOT having to deal with Arab changers and to guard against phony bills.
IllusionHeart
11-12-14, 19:14
Your savings is roughly 1 percent. So if you drop 2 grand over the course of your trip on sex, food and drink that's a $20 premium. I maintain that $20 is an acceptable premium to pay for NOT having to deal with Arab changers and to guard against phony bills.Rightly said Rjsss212. My worry was also phoney bills as I was to get 1 k euros exchanged so a hundred or two hundred baht didn't really matter and I got money exchanged at Superrich (Green) and got a rate of 40.70 which was really good.
IllusionHeart
11-12-14, 19:34
November 1 (Day 1: Saturday)
Landed at Don Mueang airport after a grueling 8 hour total flight time with 2 hour changeover between both flights in Singapore (wherein even the immigration officer had looked at me surprised whether I will make the next flight and has asked me to run). Surprisingly my buddy has showed up at the airport as he was flying out of Singapore within next few hours. Real surprise. It was a breeze with him alongside to get to the other terminal. Landed in BKK approx. 2. 30 hours later got myself a local sim. 399 baht with internet. No passport copy asked. No documents required. Upon looking closely at the sim pack it had a 27th Dec 2010 arrival stamp and departed stamp date of 14th Jan 2011 from the immigration office. Guess this is how things work here. Walked up to the taxi queue which seems to be extra-long considering almost 3 flights had landed back to back. Had seen a private taxi board while walking out. Retraced my steps to their counter. Prabhirarb Co Ltd. Booked a cab for 700 baht to hotel. Also paid 100 baht toll. Reached hotel. Had booked Sofitel on the sukhumvit strip after considering a lot of options. Checkin in was a breeze due to the club room I had booked. Was checked in almost an hour earlier. Good first impression.
Took the BTS to chitlom station. Got out and went to Unite change. Was carrying Euros. Rate was 40.50 baht. Had installed the Superrich Thailand (green) app on my cell. Rate at superrich was 40.70.considering I had almost a grand euros to exchange I decided to walk up to the exchange store. And I also wanted to go to Big see later to pick up some Sagami 0. 001 or 0. 002 which ever was available. Exchanged the money. Went to Big see. Couldn't get my hands on any Sagamis as they seemed to be out of stock. Decided to take a cab with so much money on me. Bad idea. Almost an hour ride through painful traffic for a 10 minute journey by BTS. Vowed never to repeat unless absolutely necessary. Back to hotel room after picking up basic stuff from the neighbouring 7/11.
Nataree: Soapy
It was 6 pm by the time I decided to venture out to Nataree. I walked upto the MRT and took the ride. Nataree was easy to locate with google maps. Walked in. Pretty crowded. Papasan came to me and started taking me around from right to left. Some decent girls all smiling. Good sign .2600, then further up, 3 k to 4 k baht, then the model line up. 5 k baht. Surprisingly found most of them to be Ok. Very small and petite girls. Found nothing great comparatively. Liked one but wanted to complete the round with the papasan then to the girls sitting in front of the fish bowl. And eventually the girls in the fish bowl. My senses were quite overloaded at this point of time. Papasan left me in a jiffy as some east Asian clients walked in the door. I decided to settle in and take some time to have a good look at the girls. Place was overflowing with east Asian clients. Had to seat myself on a table preoccupied near the 5 k baht girls. Ordered for a Asahi. Not available. Heineken. Not available. Only Singha. Why the hell bother to give the menu if nothing else is available. And I don't understand what is with people in this part of the world that they need ice cubes in their beer. Tried to get a good look all around now. Had almost forgotten the prices in my mind. Took a long look at the 5 k bhat girls and found 1 to my liking however the girl was simply avoiding eye contact. Thought better to skip than to have a starfish experience. Few minutes and sips later notice a cute, petite girl smiling at me whenever I looked at her. Took this as a good sign. As she was seated on the sofa. Next to the 5 k baht girls I assumed she would be 1 k less and would be the 3/4 k baht range. I decided to go with her. Invited her. She came over and picked up my beer bottle and glass. I asked her to let it go. She was surprised as I had taken only a few sips from the glass. Don't really like singha hence wanted to skip it.. We walked up to the counter wherin papasan was smart enough to follow. Wouldn't tip him a dime after the behavior I had experienced with him.
I was asked to pay 2. 6 k baht. Was confused. Thought it would be higher. Didn't know that girls can sit across categories as the 2. 6 k girls were at the right hand sofa in the entrance. Whereas this girl was sitting beside the 5 k sofa. What the hell decided to go on. Took the lift to the 2nd floor room. Waited for her basket to be brought in. Room was just ok.
Girls name was Ying. Height must be 5'1" or 2". Age was 22 is what she told me. Not that it mattered at this point. Average english. Could understand few works or small sentences. Took me to shower. Cleaned me and herself up. Left the tub filling at the same time. On the bed. Good DFK. She had decent breasts. Very playful. Got me hard in no time. Continued rolling on the bed enjoying her body and she was responding very well. Started giving me a BBBJ. I reached my hands underneath her. She was hot and wet as well, clean shaven which I prefer. She was really good. Played around my balls and shaft and sucked very well. I was almost about to come. Had to stop her for few minutes. She asked me what happened. I told her and to my surprise she said I could come and she would get my hard again. 2 times is ok with her. Had lost the moment by then. Got into the tub. Another round of detailed rinsing. Back on the bed. Same intensity. DFK, BBBJ and a couple of standard positions. Finished up quickly though but very satisfied. Had a smoke. Showered again and dressed up. Gave her 300 baht tip as I was very contended with the session. My second best session of the trip. Will return to Nataree.
Almost an hour end to end. Walked down. Papasan was standing grinning there. Said I will return in a day or two and walked out without tipping him anything. Got back to MRT then to Asoke. Needed to get some food.
I was recommended a very good restaurant called Sudas, soi 14.had to try it once. Restaurants is at the corner of the road towards Soms Haven. Walked up there. Had to wait for quite some time before a sweet Englishman took pity on me and invited me to join on his table with his wife. Excellent local fare. Highly recommended if you are in this area. Got back to hotel to rest for some time before my next romp.
Spasso, Grand Hyatt: FL Bar
It was 11 pm by the time I came down to the lobby. A taxi just came into the hotel to drop off someone and I got in. Asked him to take me to Grand Hyatt, Erawan. He said 100 baht. I said meter. He repeated so did I.just as I was about to get down he agreed mumbling something in thai. We drove on. Could see the night owls had come out on the street. We reached in about 20 minutes as the traffic had thinned out considerably. I walked into the basement .2 lovely ladys greeted me and spelled out 800 baht entry fee. I was tongue twisted on what to say. Didn't want to go back so paid and entered. Very small joint. Seating area to the right. Some party was going on. Bar area to left was extremely crowded. Continued further brushing up against people and reached the dance floor. House band was playing. Similar feel as the Brix in Singapore. Only difference was there were only thai girls and few black girls here. Average quality was 6 with few 7/8 around. Didn't notice any 9. Got myself to the bar. Ordered my drink. JD with cola. Was difficult to walk around as it was pretty crowded but I had to scope out the place. Walked entire circle of the bar with smiles getting showered on my. Got myself into a corner with some space around. Girl smiling walked up to me. Looks were good, potential for me. Usual talks began. Asked me whether I was staying at that hotel. I refused and stated the name of my hotel. Said ok and then just walked away. Didn't even get her name or anything more. Few moment later others would have sensed the prey as well. Another one walked up to me. Usual pleasantries. Didn't find her ok. So told her I would be back after a smoke. Made my way out. This place dosent have a smoking lounge so I walked right out of the bar and out of the basement to an open area. Girl was standing there alone. Asked me for a smoke which I handed out to her. Said she wanted to get in but the entry was quite high that day. Couldn't tell her that I had also realized it too late. However conversation started and yes she seemed to be a FL. Introduced herself as Am. Looked good with right body size. Few pounds around hips but overall a decent package. But didn't want to seal the deal here and walk to hotel without even finishing my drink and having a good look at all the stuff available that day. Walked back in and was greeted by a good beauty upon entry. Usual pleseantries. Asked me whether I was staying at this hotel. I replied accordingly. Checked whether I needed some company. I said yes and asked her how much was it going to cost me. She said 5 k baht ST. I said ok and told her that it was too early for me to retire to bed and I planned on spending some time there and have a few more drinks. Moved on. As I am walking towards the dance floor was greeted by another beauty. Introduced herself as Pat, repeat conversation. 5 k ST. I moved on. While I didn't have any issue on the price the question on whether I was staying at the grand hyatt was asked by all the girls and it did bother me. It gave me an indication that these girls would want to rush back and hence no assurance of service. I continued my search. During all this time I finished my drink and leaned across the bar to grab another one .400 baht for a JD cola. Very expensive. What luck. The girl whom I was talking to outside was now standing beside me. Looks liked some of her friend had paid her entry. I politely asked her if she needs a drink to which there was a nod and I bought her a glass of wine. Same cost. Now I asked her if she had any plans to give me company that night. Yes she said with 5 k ST. My drink has arrived and I decided to leave the bar and her for other options. I spot a sweet girl sitting at the bar with a sweet smile on her. Didn't bother earlier as she was talking to a guy.I waved my glass to her and said cheers to which she responded equally. Suddenly the guy she was talking to was back so I decided to have another smoke. Walked all way out and by the time I was back she was alone again. I walked up to her. Usual pleasantries. She was a 7 . Right sized assets in front. She got off the chair. Height must have been approx. 5'2" 3" turned around to look for someone. Must be the guy who was with her I thought. But my attention was on her butt and yes I liked it. She was wearing a tight green Chinese dress. Introduces herself as Nanny. I guessed she must be around 23 to 25 but I was not too sure about age as thai girls look young till they cross 30.we shook hands and said cheers again. Small talks began about where I am from, purpose of visit, etc to which I gave generalist answers not letting her guess that it's my first time in town. In the meantime she was looking at the door frequently. Was wondering whether the guy is going to come back or is she expecting someone else. Had become interested in her. I asked her. She replied that she's waiting for a friend. I asked her if she's in for a party tonight. And I would like her company. She responded positively and quotes 5 k ST. I thought and countered with 4 k to which she stared at me and then agreed with a smile. I asked her if she's ok and whether has any specific activities to refuse. She said that all apart from A level was ok. So was I. She dosent ask me where I was staying. A welcome change. We decided to move out but then her friend walked in. Decent looking gal as well. But I had made my choice by then. So I excused myself for a smoke. On my way in another girl smiled and walked up to me. Usual pleasantries began. I tell her that I was with Nanny. She smiled and backed off. Guess they have a clear understanding on the process. Nanny was back. We walked upto the taxi area wherein she said that it would be better to catch a cab from the road. We walked out onto the road and I just couldn't take my eyes off her. I had made a right choice I said to myself.
Reached the hotel. Little cuddling happened in the taxi but nothing else. Paid by the meter. Got her I'd at the reception and go into the room. It was shower time. She asked me if I wanted to join her. I joined her without hesitation. Good DFK and some cuddling. She washed me clean and herself too. Good body. No stretch marks. Onto the bed. She was a good kisser. Could not believe that I was experiencing 2 girls in the same day with GFE. If this was a taste of things to come then I was 100% hooked on to Thai women and Thailand for years to come I said to myself. I continued with DFK, natural be sized breasts, firm. Clean shaven. Couldn't resist DATY. She came twice in those few minutes. She gave me a good BBBJ. Got on top of me. We went on for few minutes. Continue in miss and then I finished in doggy. My fav position. Couldn't believe that I had come so soon. I wanted it to go on. We lied down on the bed for some time. I smoked. She said that she had come thrice in that entire session. I felt good. I asked her if she can stay till morning to which she politely refused and said she could definitely meet me next day evening though. I took down her no. Didn't want to get into the conversation of brother, BF, family etc after such an amazing session. She cuddled up back to me another round of DFK. Few minutes later she was dressed and gone with a 300 baht tip. Its was 3. 30 am. I went to sleep thinking first day has gone as planned and expected more of beauties in the coming 3 days of my trip.
This eventually turned out to be the best session of my trip and I will return to Spasso on my next trip. I did have the price range of 2 k to 3 k baht in my mind to pay but didn't just have the energy to negotiate or look further from Spasso considering the tiring day I had.
IllusionHeart
11-12-14, 19:56
November 2 (Day 2: Sunday)
Soms Haven: BJ Bar
I got up at 11.30 am. Had missed breakfast. Lazed around for some time. Made myself a coffee after messing around with the expresso machine, munched on snacks I had picked up from 7/11 earlier. Got a tingling sensation remembering the last night session. Decided to start with a BJ. Got into the shower and out of Hotel by 12.30 pm. Walked towards Soms Haven which I had seen last night .5 minute walk over the FOB to the other side of the road from my hotel .4 girls were sitting outside. Was welcomed in. Guy was standing there before me but decided to have a beer. Good for me. Lady came to me and explained the cost I. E. 800 baht. I asked for the girls. She invited me outside to have a look. Just breezed through and selected a girl. She came in and took me up to the first floor. Asked me if I wanted take a leak. I refused as I had just walked up from the Hotel. We got into the room. Small cubicle actually at the end of the passage with the a / see. Her name was Pam. She asks me to get to the wash basin for clean up. I told her that I had just taken a shower. She insisted and I gave in without further arguing. On the sofa. She started licking. I tried to get to her boobs and she helped me release them. Good see cup naturals. I got a hard on. She continued at it and I was getting into the zone. My hand reached towards her panties but she told me touching there was not allowed. I asked her if she could undress completely to which she refused. We got on with it. First in the sitting position with her down on her knees. Then me lying on the sofa with her on top. Me standing with her sitting on the sofa. I just lost my mojo suddenly. All I could hear were her slight moans, the sloppy sound and the a / see noise. I tried to relax but now she was really getting tired and asked me if all was ok. I nodded and she continued. Then she turned to handjob but I just could not cum. After a good amount of time of sucking and hand job I gave up. She was upset and said she's sorry and she had tried. I comfored her and told her it was not her problem. Maybe the ambience. Not able to touch her pussy. Or a mix of other factors. I got dressed and handed her a 200 baht tip knowing she had tried her best. Maybe BJ experience in this setup was not really for me. Left with slight boner in my shorts.
I walked out and back towards the hotel. Saw a Thai massage parlour and decide to get a foot massage. As I walked in the ladies directed me upstairs to which I said I only needed only a foot massage. They were slightly surprised. But got me onto a chair in the corner. Others were taken and 6/7 women were already at work. A beautiful PRC was lying on the sofa beside me. I gazed at her. She was asleep. Suddenly I saw her BF staring at me across her shoulder. I settled in without antagonizing the situation further and gota 250 baht hour long relaxing massage. I stepped out and decided to get something to eat. Saw a small restaurant walking towards asoke station on the corner of Insanity disco and hopped in for a tom yum goong soup and phat thai. Cheap and good food. Got back to hotel to relax for some time and contemplate on what to do next. Also had to send a SOS to Actionoriented for rubber as I was running low on the stock brought from back home.
EZ Massage: Oily
I stepped out at 5. 30 pm and decided to walk to EZ / Mango rather than taking the BTS. Big mistake. The heat got me completely by the time I reached. Was dripping wet. As I walked into the alley girls from another oily opposite to Mango / EZ dressed in pink if I remem well called me. I signaled that I wanted to go into EZ / Mango. As I was standing I saw the girls sitting outside Mango. No one caught my eye. I climbed upstairs. Was welcomed by the house lady. She handed over the album to me. Indicating which girls were working that day. I decided on Pat. She called for her. Pat walked up through the stairs. I wondered why didn't I look at the EZ girls in person while entering. Maybe my focus was on Mango girls and I walked right past the EZ girls sitting near the gate. Slightly plumpier then the photograph. But she had a sweet smile on her face. I decided to go ahead. Paid 2 k baht to the house lady for 1 hour oily session. Pat took me to the room. I just wanted to get into the shower quickly. She cleaned me and then herself. A / see cooling was better now. She got me to lie down and started with a fragrant oil massage. As she was running her hands across my body I started to get a hard on. She continued with a decent massage then she rubbed my body with her breasts which were good sized but very soft. Right from my arse upto my neck. What a feeling. She continued for few minutes. Got me to turn over. Extended the massage to my shaft, balls and rubbed my frontal body with her breast. Got my shaft between her breast and rubbed for few strokes. Then she put on a condom with her mouth and continued CBJ for few minutes playing with my balls. I was ready. She came on top and continued with slow movements. The way I like. Changed positions into miss. Gave few wet kisses. No DFK. Changed over to doggy and I finished. Lied for few minutes. It was indeed a relief for me. Thought to myself that a pure BJ joint was not for me and I should continue to relax myself through other options available. I handed her a 300 baht tip for the decent session and returned to Hotel by BTS. Will return to EZ on my next trip.
Climax / Shock 39: FL Bar
I got a cab after initial hassling on meter at the hotel. Left for Mixx at around 11.00 pm. Taxi guy asked me where I was headed. He said I should go to shock as it was a big and better disco. I insisted he drive me to Intercontinental. Reached there in 10 minutes. Walked down to the basement towards the entry. Was told that it's a regular members night only. First disappointment. Decide to walk out and was considering going to Insanity or Thermae as both were within 5 minute's walk from my Hotel. As I came out the taxi guy was standing there. He told me that people of my ethnicity were not allowed entry in Mixx. Decided to take it in stride and move on. He insisted that I check Shock. So asked him to take me there. Was a 10 minute ride. Told the taxi guy to hang around for some time if I didn't like the place and he could take me to some other disco on my list.
Paid 300 baht entry charge and got into Shock around 11.45 pm. This place was really big.took few minute to scope the layout. Walked upto the bar. Place was filled with Indians and few black guys. Could spot the occasional white guy. Looked like people had come to party in groups. With a drink in my hand I could see majority of the gals were CIS. Few blacks and thai gals. Seemed like a predominant CIS gal club. Girls on average were 5. Not too great. I started the merry go around the stage. Big one where girls were taking turns dancing. Some with guys. Club felt slightly empty due to the size. Spotted few 6 but were already with guys. Kept walking at a slow pace spotting for talent. Lookied like all the good girls were already taken. Smoking allowed inside the bar. Good relief for me for not having to walk out every time. Saw couple of thai girls. Walked up close but nothing to my taste. Hanged around for some time. Saw a girl in Pink, white and black striped dress. Looked beautiful and Thai but wasn't sure. She was talking to a guy so decided to wait my turn. She finished with him and went up on the stage where she danced for some time. Decided that I had to talk to her so waited for her to return down. She had a great body. Looked 23 to 25 yrs old. Went and got another drink at the bar. She came back and went to her spot. I walked towards her but a guy had already approached her so waited again. I went to a corner opposite her table and watched as the negotiations fell apart. Smiled at her and nodded her to come towards me to which she did. When she walked close I realized that she was not Thai. I asked her where she was from. Uzbekistan she replied. Disheartened I had to carry on. She asked me if I was looking for company. I said yes. She asked ST or LT. I replied depends on performance. Then she herself quoted me "7000 baht for LT". I just couldn't believe she actually asked for that price. .didn't want to engage further I smiled and said maybe some other time. She said it was my wish and walked away. Even if I had to make an offer it wouldn't have been 5 k baht but a measly 3 k so didn't get into that as CIS was not on my agenda on this trip. Gal is definitely good looking and anyone interested can spot her on the table between the stage on right and pool table area on left. Saw her hang out there with her friends. It was almost 1 pm and I have to move out. Had it in my mind that things came to a close at 2 pm. Walked out looked for the taxi guy. He had left as I had been inside for over an hour.
I decided to go to Climax as it seemed closed on google maps. Walked to the main road crossed over and took a cab with meter on. He got me into soi 11.damn crowded at that time of the night. Walked into the basement of ambassador hotel. Paid 300 baht entry charge and got in. Was almost 1. 15 am. Started scouting immediately. Live band was playing and this place was rocking. I immediately took fancy to the place. Took a walk round the dance stage to the bar looking out. Saw 2 girls there who were also at Shock but had come over here. They also recognized me. But I moved on to the bar. Got myself a drink. Saw a girl in blue dress with 2 lady friends. Looked sweet. Was dancing to the music. Body looked good to me and in shape. Waited for her to look at me which she did and I smiled and waved my glass with a cheers to her. She reciprocated with her pint. But I had just arrived so didn't want to close del without having a look around. I asked the bar maid continuously approaching me to finally get a JD cola for me which she did pretty fast. Started to walk around scouting for potentials. Crowd must be average 6.but as I walked most of the good women were already partying out with guys in groups. All seemed to be taken. After a complete round and no significantly interesting option I settled at the counter near the toilet. Good place as a lot of girls were walking in and out and I could have a look at them clearly. Few CIS and blacks walked. Some thai. But girls didn't seem to be interested in me. Assumed that they must already be with their catch of the day. Moved back to the bar. Noticed that the girl in blue dress was still there with her 2 friends and was dancing with them. Walked over to her. Usual pleasantries. She had come to party with her friends that night and seemed more interested in the music. I hung out for a while there. Got her a beer and some snacks which she wanted to buy to give some to the girls walking with the trays. Started dancing with me. Her friends were continuously talking to her in Thai and she was responding with a laugh everytime. Couldn't catch a word. Wish I knew thai at the point. Asked her name. Aoy she said. Got myself another drink. Was having a good time. Had a look at time. It was already 2 am. Asked her when did the place close. She said around 2 to 2. 30 not very sure. Decided to make the move. Asked her if she was looking for some company. Depends she said. I asked her what she wanted. She said she wanted to think about it. Waited until a few sips. Asked her if she had made up her mind. She checked with her friends in thai. Seemed like they were saying go for it. She replied 4 k ST. I paused for a second, thought of time to find another girl and then countered saying that I could pay her that amount but it will need to be LT. She again checked with her friends. They all laughed. Didn't understand whether they were joking about me or my offer but stood my ground. Few minutes and post pep talks with her friends she said ok lets go. She insisted that we stay for a few songs and then leave. I didn't mind. I started cozying up to her and shaking my booty with her. We moved out of the place. She asked me where I was staying. I replied Sofitel. She asked me which soi as she dosent seem to know the hotel. I told her its between soi 13 and 15.she did a you turn and took me walking towards the other side of the parking lot. Yes there was a short cut onto the soi. I decided to wait for a cab but she asked me to walk on. Could see the BTS line hence wasn't much of a walk actually. Stopped at a 7/11 to pick up smokes. She got herself some chicken thing in a small square red box. Asked whether I was carrying a condom to which I replied that I had few at the hotel. We continued our walk onto the main road and took a left towards my Hotel. Had seen black guys hand out here during the day and night earlier. Even one pissing in the divider on the road. As we walked one of them commented something. AOY wanted to say something back. I told her to ignore and continued to walk on. These black guys really seem a nuisance and one should avoid if you are staying at the Sofitel. They hang out just outside the entry gate from afternoon till late in the night. The exit gate is better as that opens up right beside Thermae and you seem some good SW and LB standing out. Not to mention the guys who call you out or come running with massage pamphlets in their hand once they spot you walking out.
I got her I'd deposited at the reception and we went up to the room. She must have been around 25.saw a tattoo on back of her neck which I had missed earlier as she had let her hair loose. Sat for a few minutes, she also got comfortable. Got her and myself a beer from the minibar. It was now shower time as we both had sweated on walk back to hotel. . I join her in the bathroom. She had a decent body. Slight fat. Must be due to age I thought and now she looked more towards 30. .got onto the bed. Continued with the beer. She let go of the towel and got under the sheets. This is when I noticed another open wings tattoo on her lower back. Reminded me of porn star "Mason storm". Started DFK and it was wet and good. Tongue play for some time. Had got a hard on by then. I continued with DFK, sucked on the breasts which seemed to be of good dimensions. Natural. The way I like. Reached my hand down on her. Had a small trimmed Bush. Ignored at the time and moved on.couldn't get myself to do DATY with the Bush as I have never done it before either.. She went down on my gave me a hard and rapid sucking. Was different then my earlier experience. Seemed more like PSE. Came back and started DFK and biting on my lips. I had to get inside her. Got rubber on and her on top of me as well. Went on for few minutes. She was fast and extremely rapid with her movements. Had to ask her to slow down as I didn't intend to finish immediately. Got her on the side and continued my thrusts into her. Got in miss. With some good DFK again and paying around with her naturals. Turned her over on her knees. The tattoo on her back was amazing and I could feel my rod tightening.got into her and continued for few minutes. She slowly lied down and I continued till I came. Fell on top of her. It was good. Another amazing session in BKK. Smoked and lied for some time. She got up and went to the shower, I went in later. We both started another round of beer. She asked me if I wanted to go to bed. I said I will stay awake and watch Tv for some time. She offered to stay awake and came and sat on my lap on the sofa. We chatted for some time. She asked about me. I lied most of the stuff about myself to her. We continued chatting for some time basically about thailand, thai food, family, etc. She had opened up slightly by then. Told me that she had a child of 4 or 5 years with her mother back in her home town. Didn't expect that as she had no signs of that on her body. Showed me pictures of her house which seemed to be pretty big. Told me that they had separated recently and he was no longer in touch with her, American guy if I remem well. I could relate her talked to all the stories I had read earlier. However we were too tired and jumped into the sack and slept with me resting my tool between her arse crack.
Next thing I remember is she woke me up at around 10 am. And was asking me if she could leave. Seemed like she had taken a shower. Turned me on. I pulled her towards myself and started DFK. She responded and maybe expected that. Removed her towel and got her into the sheets for another round. Went off pretty well with some DFK, BBBJ and doggy with me wanting to see her tattoo while taking her. Finished soon. She got into the shower to clean up. I got money from the locker and waiter for her to come out. She came out and got dressed. I handed her the money with 300 baht tip. We kissed and she walked out.
Another good experience and I will return to Climax again. Shock is off my list and so is Mixx. Thanks for being my only racist experience so far in LOS.
November 1 (Day 1: Saturday)
This eventually turned out to be the best session of my trip and I will return to Spasso on my next trip. I did have the price range of 2 k to 3 k baht in my mind to pay but didn't just have the energy to negotiate or look further from Spasso considering the tiring day I had.Refreshing to read a review that goes into so much detail in the FL Club Scene. Ditto! Must try Spasso in a couple weeks time.
IllusionHeart
11-12-14, 19:57
November 3 (Day 3: Monday)
I checked and it was just some time left for me to catch breakfast at the club. Went on had a decent bite. Back to room to action out the plan for the day. Had a lot of time on my hand hence walked across the FOB to get a foot massage. Really amazing experience for 250 baht an hour with 50 baht. Same thing costs 40 SGD in Singapore. Walked upto the local foodspot at entrance of Insanity disco. Light lunch with Mango smoothie. 200 baht I thin. Pretty decent food. Back to hotel for some lazing around in the pool or tub either one is ok for me. Having to choose between Eden and oily I decided to for latter basis of my experience the earlier day.
Tulip: Oily
I stepped out at 5. 30 pm and decided to go to Cherry. Took the BTS and walked up to the place. Got in. Two east asian guys were sitting there already. I waited till they walked out. Girl showed me the album and said that she (Amy or pinky I don't remem clearly) was available alongwith few others. I browsed through but didn't find anyone meeting my requirement. Wanted to try A level today. Its good that they have it written below the photographs on which girl would be ok with it. Remembered BBs name in some posts and asked is she was available. She wasn't.Ann was the other girl available with A* so I asked if I could see her. She called for Ann and got a reply from inside the room. She translated to me saying that Ann had a booking in some time. .the only girl who was left was Bell but without A*.I decided to have a look at her in person as I was already there. She called for her. Bell walked in but I didn't like her. Slightly big framed compared to the girls I had been with. I thanked her and walked out. Lit up a smoke. Checked options in my map. Tulip. I decided to take the BTS.
I got down. Walked across but couldn't locate it. So searched for exact directions on net. I had got down on the wrong side. I climbed the stairs and crossed over. Walked in. Girls were sitting in the small parlour on the right as one walks in. I walked towards the counter. Lady handed me the menu card. Selected 1 hour oily and wanted to have a look at the girls. She asked me to pay upfront. Not wanting to walk out again I paid 2. 1 k baht. The girls had got themselves seated in the area in the meantime. I walked in. Every Woman was staring at me. There seemed to be no girls. Except for one. I looked across from left to right and back. Picked on the only girl I could see. She stood up with a smile and we walked upstairs. She asked me if I wanted to go to the toilet. I refused and we walked into the room. Room looked worse than the one I had at EZ. But it was too late now. Got in. Girls name was Ya Ya. Went out and got her stuff. Had a smoke and gulped down the water bottle she got for me. She took me to the shower. Cleaned up. Back on the bed. She started with the oil massage. Was ok. Nothing to write about. Ok CBJ. Had sex in WOT and finished in miss. Few kisses. No DFK. Pretty average session. Finished somehow. During talks I figured that she had come to this place 6 months back and was still not fully trained. Guys looking for a serious and experienced session can avoid her. No anal was on offer. Another disappointment for me. She did however take effort to make me happy and was very cooperative so tipped her 300 baht while walking out. I will not return to this joint as I am not into mature ladies and prefer young GFE type experiences. None was on offer here. In retrospect I think I should have gone to a soapy but this was also an experience I wanted.
It was 7 pm now and I decided to walk back to the Hotel. Also needed to check soi 33.Dali bar in specific. Had read about it in Monger planet blog. I started to walk back. Got into soi 33.seemed early in the day. Didn't want to get in just after another session and bar fine or buy lady drinks for no reason hence had a look around street. Lot of massage places and bars. Some good girls handing around but unfortunately I was spent for the next hour or two and decide to walk back. Got into the lane connecting to soi cowboy. Walk into the street. It was indeed early but I located Suzie wong and Baccara which I would return to tomorrow. Back to hotel for some rest and dinner.
Nana: Hot Lips / Angelwitch gogo bars
I started walking towards Nana plaza around 10.00 pm. Streets had come to life. Lot of FLs hanging around not to mention the black guys as well outside the hotel. I walked towards Nana. This would be my first visit to a gogo bar. I continued but then decided that I should walk out the scene around this area as well. So instead I walked towards Grace hotel on right. Had read about it and seen on youtube. I reached there and was immediately caught hold of by a lady in middle eastern dress. Asking me whether I wanted to boom boom. I politely refused and continue to walk through. The quality here was really bad. Big and ugly women. Don't know who would want to get in on with them. Anyways I should not be judgemental. People have varied tastes and hence these women are there on the street I guess. Am sure they must be rocking someones boat. Am not to return this side again.
I crossed over the road into Nana plaza and continued my walk to scope out the street. Saw the entrance to NEP. Lot of people walking in. Place seemed to be live with loud music playing from different bars. I continue on. Spot Rajah Hotel on the right. Needed to check I think so I crossed the road and walked toward the hotel. As soon as I reached one guy approached me saying. Want Russians. I said to myself what was I thinking. I turned back and walked down the road away from NEP. Few massage parlours down the road. Few beer bars with pool tables and girls sitting lonely on chairs or with men staring on the road. What is the modus operandi of the girls who are alone. Do they approach you. Can we approach them. Are they for takeout or just to get you drinks at the place. Would request inputs for future visits.
I returned to NEP and stood outside having a smoke. Saw a LB swearing out loudly at some white guy on the street and the guy was just walking away to avoid a scene. I paused for a few minutes. Took a look at the women standing at the gate of Nana hotel. None seemed to interest me. Quantity was also very low approx. 8 to 10 of them. Maybe it was quite early in the night for them. I got into Nep. Walked upstairs on the right saw Mandarin. Women calling me in. Didn't want to get in. Walked on the first floor and completed the entire floor. Lot of LBs standing in the passage. Moved swiftly so as to not engage them or antagonize them. Got myself on the second floor. Not much of interest there. Returned to the first floor. Walked back towards Mandarin thinking will go in there. Passed Rainbow 4. Guys at the gate gave me strange looks. Wasn't on my plan to get in there anyways so I got into Hot Lips. Mistake .5/6 girls on stage in white bikinis. Topless. Mamasan caught hold of me and got me seated. I ordered for beer. She was back with 2 beers in a jiffy. I sipped. Nothing of interest but now I had to finish two beers. Got mamasan to call a lady for me. No 17. I noticed that she had bristles once she was seated next to me. I wondered whether she will be able to do a BJ properly without hurting anyones tool. DFK was definitely out of the question. Decided to enjoy. Mamas an had one drink and got girl another one. Girl spoke little English so stared at the girls who had gone wild and removed their bikins while giving lap dance to the guys there were with. Lot of cheering in the bar. In the meantime another girl. No 18 made herself comfortable to my right. I had not invited her. It seems that they had surely got a whiff that I was a newbie. Drinks for her as well. Mama got another drink. I had to call it off now as I was not really enjoying so I finished my beer told mamasan that I was leaving. She got me bill. Paid 1100 baht with tip. These drinks do start to add up very fast.
I walked over to Angelwitch. Liked the first impression. Rock music was playing and girls were dressed in yellow and black dress. Mamasan got me a seat. Approx. 20+ girls on stage. Ambience was for my taste. Suddenly all girls came down and the show started. The lead girl was good. Had silicones but a great body. Nice face and sexysmile. Was thinking about bar fining her but her show was on and I had to wait .2/3 acts later I called mamasan and asked her to call the girl to sit with me. Unfortunately she was already taken by some guy and she went on to sit with him once the acts were done. I paid the bill. 650 baht. Decided to get myself into a FL bar. It was to be Thermae or Insanity as both were the closest to my Hotel. Insanity it would be.it was 1 pm now and I wanted to get there in time to pick someone up. I decided to walk the distance.
Insanity: FL bar
I reached. Paid the 200 baht entry fee .20 baht in the tip box on request from the sweet counter girl. Got in. Place was as big as Shock but had a small dance area in the center compared to the dance stage in shock. Two small podiums (drums) were kept at each corner on left near the bar area with one girl dancing on each. Got myself a JD cola from the bar and took a table. Place was almost empty. Had to be. It was a Monday. How could I forget that. Took a walk across the place. Not much available. Few options but not worth considering. Got myself back and nursed my drink. In the meantime the girls dancing on the drums were swapping each other in 7/10 minute interval. I was sitting close to one of these podium. As soon as the girl stepped down she smiled at me and came to me. She was stinking of beer and tequila. Asked me directly if I could buy her a drink. I was taken aback to which she though that I didn't understand so she hand signaled me for a drink. I refused. She walked away. I was scouting around for company but none to be found. Thought of going to Thermae but then decided to stay back as it was already 1. 45 pm. The girls have swapped again and the one dancing has now come down and walked straight to me. She asked me how I was, etc. I was sitting on a stool with my legs open. She positioned her butt exactly between my legs and started grinding me with a naughty smile. I enjoyed. She asked me if I wanted to dance and I politely refused. She hung out for few minutes then asked me if I could buy her a shot of tequila. I thought what the hell let me buy. Suddenly another girl came from back and put her arms around me. She also started dancing besides me. The earlier one said that it was her friend and requested if I could buy her a drink as well. I was really irritated by that time and wanted to get it over with so I said yes. The earlier one remained close to me while her friend went to the bar and came back with 4 tequila shots and handed me a bill of 800 baht. Wait I thought I wanted to buy them a drink each. But they had taken the liberty to order as they wanted. I didn't want to cause any nuisance so I paid. Both girls downed the shots faster than I could see. The earlier girl now excused herself to the toilet. Her friend hung on to me. She started usual pleasantries and suddenly waved at the girl walking with Absolut shots. The girl came over and she wanted me to buy some shots for her. I had enough and said I don't want to. She also excused herself to the toilet. I was thankful and decided to go back to the hotel. I walked out crossed the FOB and got down in front of Thermae thinking whether I should go in or not. Lot of LBs were standing. I decided to just get back to the hotel and rest. I will return to Insantiy during a better day of the week in my next trip.
Till this time I was confident that I will manage to avoid any cons or free drinks but these girls had really pulled a fast one on me. Advice to other newbie mongers like me coming to Bangkok. Beware.
IllusionHeart
11-12-14, 20:00
November 4 (Day 4: Tuesday)
I got up in time for breakfast. Had planned to finish basic sightseeing in the first half. Got out of the hotel at 11.30 am. Crossed FOB then it just started to rain. Got into taxi. Asked him to take me to what Pho. He asked for 200.I agreed .25 minutes we were there. Went in. Moved onto the Royal palace and Emerald Buddha. Was done by 2 pm. Hungry. Took a cab to victory monument. Had to try the noodles being my fav and also recommended by Natty Bumpo. It was very easy to find basis his post. I ordered for 1 bowl with pork. The guy asked me again how many bowls I wanted. I insisted one. He somehow managed to tell me that 1 is too less. So I asked him to get two. When he got those two I realized what he was saying. These were small bowls with barely two or three mouthful. I asked hom for a cola and ordered 2 more bowls. After 4 bowls and 1 cola later I realized why Natty takes the trip to Boat noddle alley. You need to try this. Atleast once. I took the BTS back to hotel and rested for a while. Also need to pack up as I was going to check out next day morning and it was going to be a busy second half running late into the night.
Poseidon: Soapy
I contemplated between Poseidon and La bella but decided to go with the former. Walked down to Asoke. It was 6 pm took the MRT. Extremely crowded. Peak hours. Managed to get into the second train standing in the queue. Got off and walk towards Poseidon entertainment complex. Had copa cabana in mind as backup as suggested by Syzygies. Identified the lane and saw the place from far. Walked back and entered in and was guided to the lift by the doorman. Get out on the floor. Mamasan greeted me. Got me seated. Then she showed the girls on the right beginning with 3. 8 k, 4. 6 k and 5 k.didn't quite understand the pricing. Girls were good. Place seemed slightly upscale compared to Nataree. Much better organized and lot of light to see the girls clearly. Approx 12 to 15 girls around. Rest must be busy. I keep scanning through sipping coconut water .5 k had 2 girls. Didn't take my fancy. Spot one smiling girl from far and decided to go with her. .asked mamasan to get her. Girl walked over an introduced herself as Soda. Strange name but true as I asked her atleast thrice. Paid 4. 6 k to mamasan. We took the lift and were off to 3rd floor room. Place was well done. Room was good. Girl had carried the coconut along which I found quite funny. Didn't notice that earlier. Also I had not noticed that girl had bristles. Too late now. Thought to myself that no BJ and DFK today. Don't know how am I going to cum. Neways girl was very sweet to talk to. Made me very comfortable. Started the tap in the tub. Gave me a good massage for 10 odd minutes. Decent. Didn't expect that.
Into the tub. Cleaned me up well. We were in the bed. She has silicones but are apt sized. Girl had spent 60 k baht to get them done. Few tattoos on the body. Am ok with that. Trimmed Bush. She starts with a BJ. Am scared that her bristles might rupture a vein on my tool. But she was very careful. Not great but decent enough to get me hard. Small pecks of kisses. No DFK. Start in miss. She's ok with me ravaging her breasts. Strange experience. FKK girls in Germany are very careful when it comes to handling of silicones. I started is miss, continued in doggy. Back to miss again. Got her on top. She was very enthu and supported with fast movements. More of a PSE experience actually. Not my style but I went with the flow. Finished lied for some time. Showered, paid 200 bhat tip and was out. Not a great session but will return to this place.
Thought in my mind was that they should swap Nataree girls with Poseidon infrastructure. Would be one great combination. Take the MRT back to Asoke and walk to hotel. The walk back in the evening to hotel was always interesting as there were always some decent FLs standing outside Thermae and around just before the gate of Sofitel. Never caught my interest to initiate a chat though. I would always speed up when I passed here specifically to avoid any calls or engagement with the LBs standing there as well. Maybe another reason why I never went there apart from inputs by Syzygies.
Soi Cowboy: Baccara / Suzie Wong gogo bars
I had purposely kept my visit to Soi cowboy for the last night as I wanted to check out and experience the FL scene first in BKK. I started walking towards Soi cowboy around 10.30 pm. Crossed over from the junction. Could see mobile bars or stalls had opened up on the road towards the soi. Didn't bother to check or ask. What is the deal here. Is the hard liquor genuine. Is it safe to drink here. There were quite a few bars leading up to cowboy.
I entered the street. Place was live. First sight was. Lots of east Asians walking around. In groups. Slowly made my way through. Reached SW but thought I should check out Baccara first. Walked towards it. Doormen asked me to go to counter first and buy a beer. Strange. Was not the only one asked too. Others were following the process so did I. Walked in..amazed.there were almost 30 odd girls on stage in white bikinis. All dressed though. Pushed my way inside. This place was packed like hell. Odd thing was despite being full there were not many girls sitting on the sofa with guys. Wanted to know the process more before I could initiate anything. Moved around a complete circle. Had a good look at the girls. My take is that these were the most beautiful and young girls I had seen in any place till now. I was very impressed. Young cuties with lovely smiles and slender bodies. Too much to take in on the first time. I went around again and found a stool to sit near the bard. It was in midst of the service area but the waiters didn't mind. Suddenly a different lot of girls started walking in from the room at the end of the bar and slowly went up on stage. A synchronized process of replacement was taking place. The second lot of girls was also amazing. So in total there would have been approx. 60 – 80 girls that night. Peak timing I guess. Soon some of the girls who were on stage crowded at the bar and were handing out their drink slips. And then moved into the changing room. I was lost and didn't know what to do. A bloke approached me and asked me that is it the same very night now. I told him it was my first night there. He laughed. He had also returned after 8 years to LOS and it was his first night of trip as well. He moved on. I decided to have a smoke and google the modus operandi here. Asked the bargirl. She pointed upwards. Behold there was a glass ceiling and there were further more women dancing in white tops and black minis. I had to get myself upstairs. I went upstairs. Walked towards the bar as that was the only place left with some space. Lit up and had a good look at the girls here. Didn't quite fancy me. Good ones were definitely down. Finished and came down. Back on the stool. Two girls who were earlier dancing on stage were now down and walked towards me. The first one said Hi and introduced the other one as her friend. I had a good look at her. No 102 or 4 I don't remember quite confidently. Cute and good smile. Good body. Seemed to have natural ones. The first one asked me whether I was going to buy them a drink. I smiled back and said I had just walked in and need to settle down on a sofa first. Bar stool was quite uncomfortable. .place had got more corded. I finished my beer and had shortlisted almost 4/5 girls in my mind but there was none to help me out. I decided to step out and go to SW for some time and come back till crowd thinned. I did.
SW was complete opposite. There were approx. 6/7 girls on stage dancing nude wearing only stockings. Could see the drink slips inserted in those stockings. Mamasan caught hold of me. Got me seated. Ordered for beer. There was ample space and time to scan the girls. Liked one on stage. Mamasan got her to me. Her and mamas drinks followed without asking. Was decent cute gal small books but good butt. Had bristles. How could it happen to me twice in the same day. I thought to myself where was I looking when I called for her. She was not going to go with me for sure. In the meantime the show had started. First the girls danced in erotic poses and then smoked from their pussies. Went on for 5 minutes. Unique experience for me. Two white guys had had enough of drinks so they got on the floor. One was holding a small basket of table tennis balls. Thought this must be the act wherein the girls throw the ball from pussies. But no. One guy was throwing the ball in air and the other was heading it towards girl on the stage. All girls clamoured to pick up the ball. Guessed that each ball must be worth 50/100 baht or the girls, mamasan and other waiters wouldn't have gone crazy to grab one. This continued for some time till the basket was empty. Dance continued. I was deciding to leave and stepped out for a smoke. It had started pouring. Went back to stick around for some time and ordered my second beer. Drink for both the girl and mamasan followed. Had little chat with the girl. Nothing interesting. Mamasan asked me whether I wanted to go upstairs boom boom. I refused saying I was too tired and was to go and sleep. Almost over an hour later the two guys with table tennis balls were back on the floor. I called for the bill. Paid and went out. Baccara again. Time really flies here.
I didn't have to buy beer in advance this time. Stepped in. World had transformed. No of girls had reduced drastically. All beauties which I had identified has been barfined and left with their guys. I looked upto the glass ceiling. Nothing much was happening upstairs either. I decided to get a dink anyways. Few moments later some girls came out of the dressing room towards the floor. Didn't seem eager to get up on stage. Could spot the one I had liked earlier. Suprised how she didn't get bar fined yet. She saw me and called her towards me. She came and sat down beside me. Asked her name. Didn't get it but started talking. She was decent looking girl. Could see that she had right sized breast and butt. I asked her if she wanted a drink. She was very happy to hear that as I had denied a drink to her friend earlier. We both toasted and started sipping our drinks. I didn't want to lose her so I asked her if she wanted to go out with me. She smiled and asked whether I was asking to barfine her. I said yes and she had a big smile on her face. In the meantime her friend also joined at our table. I had closd the deal hence had nothing to offer her but a smile. Gave 600 baht to her. She said she would go. Change and come back in 5 minutes. In the meantime her friend got clue that I was on way out. She was back after good 10 minutes dressed in a lovely white dress. Looked very sweet. We walked out. It was still drizzling so took a taxi back to hotel. No meter but flat 100 baht this time. Got her I'd deposited at the reception and onto the room.
Once in the room I apologized for not remembering and asked her name again. She replied Ja. She looked like simple girl. No attitude. Told her to get comfortable. Offer her something to eat and a beer. She was not vey fluent in English but I was going to manage. She went in for a shower. I took one later. Not together. She finished her beer and we were on to bed. Chatted little. She was very interested in knowing about me. Or atleast pretended to. I had a bunch of global to offer. We got clse and I kissed her. Tasted good. Went in for DFK. She was ok. Didn't act like a pro. No tongue or biting lips, etc. Continued for some time. She had firm breasts. Be size naturals. Nipples were erect. I moved my hand towards her mound while continuing with DGK. She had bulged up. I guessed it was going to be a good session. She guided herself kissing me and my chest towards my tool. Went down on my gave me a decent BBBJ. Licking my balls and alternating between balls and shaft. Was going on like GFE. Way I like it. Came back and started DFK. I wanted to get inside her. Handed over the rubber to her. She rolled it on my tool. Asked her for WOT. She guided herself slowly. Slow thrusts. Had begun to drift. Continues for a few minutes between she thrusting few times then I thrusting. Was good. Got her into miss and continued my thrusts into her. DFK and sucking on her naturals. Turned her over on her knees. Got into her and continued for few minutes. Pushed her down completely. And continued. Got her to turn for miss again and continues thrusting. Came within few minutes kissing her. Lied for some time. Fell on side of her. Was happy on the outcome of the session. She got up and went to the shower. She came back and sat on the chair. Was in no hurry to go. I didn't want to ask her to stay back as morning was going to be a rush hour for me. Guess she would have. Talked for some time. Offered her another beer but she didn't want and wanted to leave. So paid her 2. 5 k baht + 300 baht tip. Told her where she could go and pick her I'd as she had started walking in the wrong direction out of the room. Went back to bed contended and relaxed. I will definitely return to bacarra if I want to experience gogo again. Found this to be the best in the city of all places I visited.
IllusionHeart
11-12-14, 20:01
November 5 (Day 5: Wednesday)
I got up at 9. 00 am. Had quick breakfast at the club. Had to reach airport by 11.30 am for my flight to Singapore and another 4 nights of fun. .had pre booked the same camry cab back to airport. But had some baht left which I wanted to convert before leaving for Singapore. Rates are obviously better in the city hence had to do it there. I did not have the time to get to Superrich so I decided to walk towards the place on corner of soi 7/1.recommended by natty I think. Was a good idea anyways. Place is called Vasu. They had the exact same rate as superrich. Got the money exchanged. Got 220 euros in return. Wondered despite spending well I managed to save some money. Would come handy in Singapore as it is a pricey market for mongering. Came back found the cab waiting in the parking area. Went up. Checked out and left for the airport.
Though my stay was short I managed to experience all options possible except Eden. Will try that on my next trip. I have just scratched the surface of this lovely city. I really liked my stay here, girls have been very service oriented. Haven't experienced much of that in Europe yet. Almost all were GFE experiences. Maybe I was lucky. Maybe things work like this here. Girls were very courteous and humble. Once they are with you they devote themselves to you during that period. Biggest plus point and motivation to come back again. I did not pay much attention or negotiate on the prices as I was more keen on the experiences to be gathered. Will need to work on that as well in next trip. I also took some photos of the girls I was with as personal memoir. Won't be posting or sharing them. I will revisit Thailand once before I go to Germany in June next year. Will also visit pattaya that time. Thank you seniors and other forum members for all the inputs / suggestions provided to make this an amazing trip for me.
IllusionHeart
11-12-14, 20:03
Refreshing to read a review that goes into so much detail in the FL Club Scene. Ditto! Must try Spasso in a couple weeks time.Thanks Moris54. My plan was to cover lot of FL places in my trip as those interest me more and BKK has them dime a dozen. At the same time I also needed to experience both NEP and Soi Cowboy being my maiden visit. On my next trip I might visit Baccara once but will probably stick to the FL scene. GFE is what I look for.
November 1 (Day 1: Saturday)
As I came out the taxi guy was standing there. He told me that people of my ethnicity were not allowed entry in Mixx. Decided to take it in stride and move on. He insisted that I check Shock. So asked him to take me there. Was a 10 minute ride. Told the taxi guy to hang around for some time if I didn't like the place and he could take me to some other disco on my list.
This incident is a little strange. I was in BKK this January and went to MIXX. Although the club is average at best (and very overrated) as compared to Q-Bar or Levels I never had a issue getting in and I am American of South Asian Descent. I was with an Escort though and maybe that had a part to play in it. I think they also gauge you by how much money you would spend in there and if you are with a girl / escort they may be inclined to believe you will want to impress her, maybe buy bottle service, etc, as opposed to flying solo. Just my two cents on this one.
El Vagabundo
11-12-14, 22:00
I need to get from Bangkok to Tel Aviv in January. Should I make the flight reservations before I get there or is it less expensive to do it in Thailand. I would not mind routing through Italy for a few days on the way to see a few sites.
Advise on the best way to go would be very welcome.
Thanks
Agree with Moris. I am Indian from UK and did not have problems getting into MIXX a few months back. Wonder if things have changed!
This incident is a little strange. I was in BKK this January and went to MIXX. Although the club is average at best (and very overrated) as compared to Q-Bar or Levels I never had a issue getting in and I am American of South Asian Descent. I was with an Escort though and maybe that had a part to play in it. I think they also gauge you by how much money you would spend in there and if you are with a girl / escort they may be inclined to believe you will want to impress her, maybe buy bottle service, etc, as opposed to flying solo. Just my two cents on this one.
Great reports IllusionHeart! Especially interesting to get all the details about the FL clubs. Seems like you had a good time. Surprisingly, Insanity was empty the last time I visited it as well. Wonder if that's how it usually is?!
November 3 (Day 3: Monday)
Insanity: FL bar
I reached. Paid the 200 baht entry fee .20 baht in the tip box on request from the sweet counter girl. Got in. Place was as big as Shock but had a small dance area in the center compared to the dance stage in shock. Two small podiums (drums) were kept at each corner on left near the bar area with one girl dancing on each. Got myself a JD cola from the bar and took a table. Place was almost empty. Had to be. It was a Monday. How could I forget that. Took a walk across the place. Not much available. Few options but not worth considering. Got myself back and nursed my drink. In the meantime the girls dancing on the drums were swapping each other in 7/10 minute interval. I was sitting close to one of these podium. As soon as the girl stepped down she smiled at me and came to me. She was stinking of beer and tequila. Asked me directly if I could buy her a drink. I was taken aback to which she though that I didn't understand so she hand signaled me for a drink. I refused. She walked away...
I have been on the ground in BKK for a week now. Very little rain 90 F during the day and not too humid. Pleasant at night. All in all very good weather.
SL.Lovely, just I wanted to know. Thanks a lot.
Hi all,
I've been to Nataree a bunch of times now, and love the quality of the girls there. Are there any other places with girls of that caliber? I've heard of Poseidon. Is that worth checking out? Been going to Nataree too many times lately and want a change of pace.
Thanks in advance!
Paul Kausch
11-14-14, 04:15
Hi all,
I've been to Nataree a bunch of times now, and love the quality of the girls there. Are there any other places with girls of that caliber? I've heard of Poseidon. Is that worth checking out? Been going to Nataree too many times lately and want a change of pace.
Thanks in advance!Natty Bumpo, Syzygies and some of the well seasoned veterans have considerable experience in soapies. I recall someone likes La Belle, someone else likes Amsterdam and someone doesn't like the place someone else likes; so who knows what to conclude from that.
The thing is, for many years Nataree has been known for having the best looking young girls of any of the soapies. Before the remodel the rooms were crappy and the girls are often inexperienced, but if you're after looks and youth, Nataree is the place to go.
You might try hitting several venues to see if any of the ladies look tasty. Nothing wrong with walking out if no one appeals to you. Think of it as a soapy crawl and as you could order a drink or two at each venue, you could also think of it as an interesting variation on a pub crawl.
ActionOriented
11-14-14, 06:27
Natty Bumpo, Syzygies and some of the well seasoned veterans have considerable experience in soapies. I recall someone likes La Belle, someone else likes Amsterdam and someone doesn't like the place someone else likes; so who knows what to conclude from that.
The thing is, for many years Nataree has been known for having the best looking young girls of any of the soapies. Before the remodel the rooms were crappy and the girls are often inexperienced, but if you're after looks and youth, Nataree is the place to go.
You might try hitting several venues to see if any of the ladies look tasty. Nothing wrong with walking out if no one appeals to you. Think of it as a soapy crawl and as you could order a drink or two at each venue, you could also think of it as an interesting variation on a pub crawl.Correct, there are several soapies in and around similar locations. Huay Khwang has Nataree, Hi-Class, Caesar's, Emanuelle (I think Amsterdam and Poseidon aren't too far away). Rama 9 (I have noticed on the way to the airport) has Colonze and Catherin'es (I think, still haven't checked them out). Then there is La Belle (a pink building) just outside of a BTS station (the name slips my mind). Also, if I am not wrong even Annie's is a soapy (but recent reports aren't favourable). Again, for the OP, it is highly recommended that you read the report from Scorcher75 / Shocker (link in the ROD section) who went to several high end soapies and made a good report.
A soapy crawl is an interesting idea LOL, but I am not sure, if the papasans will be too happy for clients to lounge about and have a drink or two. On a busy day in Nataree, the papasan is busy tending to other customers and will not hassle you unless you get up and walk around to check out the sideliners. But on a slow day, he is going to (at least appears to) breathe down your neck to chose and make it quick. Only reason I prefer the stock at Nataree is that they are consistent, pricing structure is easy to understand and basic service is assured. I have not been too impressed with the highly overpriced line up at other places in Huay Khwang (perhaps because I haven't checked out many places recently).
AstoneSalt
11-15-14, 10:29
Went to Thermae for first time at 1 am Friday night. Lots of girls, at least 40. Grabbed a beer and made a few rounds.
Nothing outstanding, but a few acceptable girls. Approached one, she wanted 2. 5 k ST and wouldn't budge. Next one no English, her friend said she only went with Japanese guys.
Then a nice looking girl walks in and I go straight up to her. Short, pale, long brown hair. Says she's Malaysian, she looks part European. We agree 2 k for ST with BBBJ, 500 tip if it goes well.
Walk to my hotel, have a good talk, she seems nice. She says she's 25. Undress her and we shower together.
Blowjob is quick but fine, I go to stick it in her. She says can't, too big. Ergh. Fine I say, just blowjob, but 1500 baht. No, she still wants 2500. Agree on 2000, I don't care by this point. She sucks for about 10 seconds then switches to hand. I tell her to keep using her mouth, she gets very upset. Big fight, she wants me to go to police station with her. I tell her no, offer her 1000 to just leave, she refuses. I say I won't give her more unless she continues the blowjob, and eventually she agrees.
Bit hard to enjoy myself after that, but eventually finished in her mouth. To her credit the blowjob was at least quite good. Gave her 2000, glad to get rid of her.
Julius Peepers
11-15-14, 18:25
Went to Thermae for first time at 1 am Friday night. Lots of girls, at least 40. Grabbed a beer and made a few rounds.
Nothing outstanding, but a few acceptable girls. Approached one, she wanted 2. 5 k ST and wouldn't budge. Next one no English, her friend said she only went with Japanese guys.
Then a nice looking girl walks in and I go straight up to her. Short, pale, long brown hair. Says she's Malaysian, she looks part European. We agree 2 k for ST with BBBJ, 500 tip if it goes well.
Walk to my hotel, have a good talk, she seems nice. She says she's 25. Undress her and we shower together.
Blowjob is quick but fine, I go to stick it in her. She says can't, too big. Ergh. Fine I say, just blowjob, but 1500 baht. No, she still wants 2500. Agree on 2000, I don't care by this point. She sucks for about 10 seconds then switches to hand. I tell her to keep using her mouth, she gets very upset. Big fight, she wants me to go to police station with her. I tell her no, offer her 1000 to just leave, she refuses. I say I won't give her more unless she continues the blowjob, and eventually she agrees.
Bit hard to enjoy myself after that, but eventually finished in her mouth. To her credit the blowjob was at least quite good. Gave her 2000, glad to get rid of her.A lot of these girls want to give McDonald's type of service for the price of a juicy New York Steak. Not on my watch. 2 k for just a BJ way too much but under your circumstances a bit understandable.
I'm getting too old for this shit.
Anyway, for what it's worth CM2 is open again. I didn't visit just got the info, I think they are using half the space and shutting it down by midnight. Some kind of battle of the bands thing. I think this is just basically baby steps towards reopening it and returning to the normal flow once the storm has passed from the bad press mojo they had.
Saturday.
I went to Insanity. It was mostly empty. Not an attractive girl to be found in there. Fat dancers. I left.
I went to Bossy.
LOL.
95% men. About 7 or 8 girls really and a hundred plus men. Those girls were enormous. Highlight of the evening was Indian guys up on the stage dancing. Hats off to you dudes for having fun.
I went to Mixx. Quite full, better ratio but can't say I saw a really attractive girl in the entire place. One blonde was pushing for 7 and she was turning down offers left and right. I could possibly have overlooked one, or two, but no more.
I went to Fashion Cafe on a whim rather than getting in a taxi to go home. Filled with pouty white second rate models looking bored and staring at their phones. For every three of them was one pouty white male model. It was quite hilarious and the saddest scene of all that I saw. All the models, hey, let's go to Fashion Cafe, stare at our phones and look bored. What a fun night out for us all. Then there was me and a couple of other random non-sequitur people. Maybe they were all paid for being there. The only Thai girl in there tried to talk to me but I couldn't hear her over the music and she smelled bad.
I left and got food and went home rather happy. Highlight of the night was the Indian guys dancing.
What has happened to BKK, this town used to be better than this.
Agree with Moris. I am Indian from UK and did not have problems getting into MIXX a few months back. Wonder if things have changed!I can't imagine anyone having problems getting into Mixx. When I was there it was a pretty full cross section of planet earth. I don't find Mixx pretentious and I don't see that they have an attitude where they are going to try to exclude anyone unless that someone shows up dressed stupidly (t-shirt, shorts, flipflops). Wear a nice shirt and jeans and dress shoes and I think everyone is welcome. It's not special or snooty, just another club.
Here's a glimps of my short visit and thoughts to BKK.
I was in BKK last week and have been going through a lousy jet lag process this past week. My last time in BKK was early 2010 and I did have a great time, I then went to Pattaya for a week and had a better time. My next trip (6 months later) to Asia was to the PI and after the PI I have never been back to BKK until now. There's something about the Philippines and I have really good life long filipino friends in my hometown so I connected to the PI quite strongly.
So now almost 5 years later I am still mongering between So America and the PI mainly, I wasn't thinking Thailand at all but now things in my mind have changed.
A close friend from my old neighborhood has picked up and moved to Chang Mai. I decided to meet him in BKK as part of a bigger trip to Australia then Thailand. After Australia I took my wife to Phuket for 5 days thinking beach time and a little mongering on the side. There's a lengthy Socker TR in the Phuket forum if interested but Phuket turned out to be a joke, tourist town yes, mongering is weak imo. So my last 3 days were spent in BKK and to meet my childhood buddy who is going to Thai language school and has a nice place w / live in GF in CM.
Mind you I am at the age where my thoughts and hopes are to find a place I can retire part time. A place acceptable to my wife and that has ample quality pussy available nearby, w / a beach nearby (the perfect world). Suprisingly so far in my travels BKK is the closest place to my ideal, I was very surprised. I was shocked at how awesome the city was and how I was constantly the target of nice looking Thai ladies. The clubs on Soi Cowboy were equal or better than their counterparts on Burgos, price wise not so much. There were bars w / pool tables you could chill in and let the pussy come to you and then the Go Gos where there was extremely pretty women available. Prices were bit of a joke, 3000 baht for bar 2000 baht for the girl and the top girls might not go w / you. So the Go Gos were a questionable source of good GFE fun. I only spent one night there and did partake of a bargirl at Country Roads. I got lucky w / her bbing otherwise it was cover only for FS. The Country Rd barfine was 400 baht and the lady was more then happy w / 2000 baht. I probably over paid but she was so fresh and sweet.
Later on when you think the nights over and you leave the girly bars you might find yourself at a megshift mobile bar on Sukhumvit. This happened to me and my bud one night. We leave and are stumbling around at 1:30 am and there are 3 ladies at this bar in a parking spot on Sukhumvit. A few drinks later and 2 of the 3 are fucking my brains out at a ST hotel a block away. These 2 were late twenties and just on fire after a few drinks, we had an awesome fuck session. My friend ended up w / the 3rd lady so I walked about 6 blocks back to my hotel at 4:30 am, big smile, back to the wife and happy.
Before I left Thailand I had to return to the Nana Plaza and so I did on my last night and what a change that Soi went through. Four and a half years ago the Soi was a dirty shit street and now it could have been a street in NY off Time Square. The Soi was cleaned up and built up w / new bar after new bar or restaurant. Finally get to NP and it to has been renovated but the layout is still the same, kind of. The women quality here was quite fantastic, many 8"s (or BETTER) dancing on stage but most were drink sluts or looking for Mr K or the like.
So anyway, Thailand is back on my map, lots of top quality pussy w / very little crime in the streets.
Maybe I'm dreaming but I have doubts about AC and the PI in general. In AC there might be 3 8's in the whole town and they certainly won't go w / me. Also the stupid PI laws that are constantly being applied, bar raids, FL scamming. The PI is just a more desperate mongering locale than Thailand it seems to me right now.
Thailand had the better looking pussy, the better food, the better transportation, the safer streets at 2 am. and I have to say there was a lot to like. The one thing that wasn't equal was the friendliness of the ladies hired from the Go Gos. The PI is still # 1 in my favorite nuances w / sweet nice ladies but BKK was a powerful experience. I could see myself living there for a few months a year. I will do some further retirement recon late 2015.
Here's a pic of my late night surprise at a mobile bar on Sukhumvit.
Mind you I am at the age where my thoughts and hopes are to find a place I can retire part time. A place acceptable to my wife and that has ample quality pussy available nearby, w / a beach nearby (the perfect world). Suprisingly so far in my travels BKK is the closest place to my ideal, I was very surprised. I was shocked at how awesome the city was and how I was constantly the target of nice looking Thai ladies. Maybe I'm dreaming but I have doubts about AC and the PI in general. In AC there might be 3 8's in the whole town and they certainly won't go w / me. Also the stupid PI laws that are constantly being applied, bar raids, FL scamming. The PI is just a more desperate mongering locale than Thailand it seems to me right now.
Thailand had the better looking pussy, the better food, the better transportation, the safer streets at 2 am. and I have to say there was a lot to like. The one thing that wasn't equal was the friendliness of the ladies hired from the Go Gos. The PI is still # 1 in my favorite nuances w / sweet nice ladies but BKK was a powerful experience. I could see myself living there for a few months a year. I will do some further retirement recon late 2015.
I have been spending much of my time in Bangkok for the past 10 years, more and more each year, and after spending the past 7 weeks in the US visiting family all I can say is that Bangkok is the greatest place on God's Earth! Nothing even close. Even ignoring the girls available, which in truth is not what it used to be, Bangkok is just a great place to live. It has almost everything you could want. The deeper you dig, the more it has. I spent years going all around the world looking for a home to retire to and Bangkok won hands down. I can't think of living anywhere else. But of course it's not for everyone.
AstoneSalt
11-16-14, 08:03
Went to Dr BJs today. Early afternoon on a Sunday so only 7 girls to pick from, all at the 1000 baht level.
Go with X, as recommended by mamasan. Mistake.
Over and over and over through the session she would stop and ask me if I would give her 500 baht to take her top off, if a HJ was OK, if I wanted to pay another 1000 baht to switch ladies, etc. Over and over no matter how many times I said no. Completely impossible to enjoy.
Eventually, before the 30 minutes are up, she says she's tired. Wants to stop. There is 0 chance I am going to finish with this girl, so that's just fine with me. Go and complain to the mamasan about her, she at least is polite and apologetic, promises a better experience next time. Pay and leave.
Got more upset than I should have, it's only 1000 baht, but wow what a bad experience. I wanted to like the place, everything but the girl was nice.
Or is it still raining everyday? A lot or just a short downpour? Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks in advance.Margaya,
Rain every day is part of being in Thailand. You just have to assume it will rain for a short time. This is the best time to be there now because not as much rain. If you go doing the rainy season like in September the rain does not stop.
I finally am back home and left my Vietnam and Thailand vacation. I did want to post that now Bangkok has a ton of freelancers now. More more than October. I was having so much fun I did not want to leave.
Raja hotel- I splurged and went with like 6 Russian girls doing my trip. The cost is 2600 or 3100. But once you pay 3100 once the 2600 fee seems to disappear. So try to remember the faces when they first tell you prices. One guy I was taking with was quoted 3600 baut. Anyway, the Russian girls and some Ukraine were extremely beautiful. I got my money worth with each girl. I was never rushed. Much better service than my previous experiences with the raja girls. One Russian girl let me bang her for an hour straight and even started to kiss me. I asked her at the end why she spend so much time with me? She said "what do I have to go back to go sit and wait for customers. " such a fun time.
Grace hotel- the majority of girls that work there are non Thai and work sitting in the coffee shop inside the hotel waiting for customers. The girls were average looking some really pretty. I approached one girl and she wanted 3000 baut. They just want to much money her. I just walked. As I was leaving. Because I was the only non Muslim in the hotel I would get dirty looks from the Muslims. As I walked out the door of the hotel 5 Muslims were walking in and one guy gave me this evil look like I just beat his mom and he was going to kill me. How can someone be so angry in Thailand? Anyway huge amour of Muslim tourists in Bangkok. In front of grace hotel two muslim woman covered head to toe in outfit were working and try to get me to go with them. They were not hot and overweight but I could not even imagine walking with them in front of the Muslim guys. I don't know what would happen and I don't want to find out.
IllusionHeart
11-16-14, 18:08
I can't imagine anyone having problems getting into Mixx. When I was there it was a pretty full cross section of planet earth. I don't find Mixx pretentious and I don't see that they have an attitude where they are going to try to exclude anyone unless that someone shows up dressed stupidly (t-shirt, shorts, flipflops). Wear a nice shirt and jeans and dress shoes and I think everyone is welcome. It's not special or snooty, just another club.Protocol. I was as dressed in equally good attire I. E. Full sleeved shirt, jeans and moccasins, hair well done, wearing expensive perfume had 10 k baht on me to spend that night. This was good enough to get me into Spasso, Climax, Shock 39 and Insanity on earlier and later nights. Mixx guys exercised their right of admission. I found it racist and this is my personal opinion. One thing is for sure that they are definitely not going to get a minute of my time or a single thai baht in future. I don't care if it matters to them or not.
CallMeTony
11-16-14, 22:15
Hi guys,
I will be in Bangkok in 3 days.
First time visiting.
Was wondering if anyone has any recommendation for good outcall.
I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt.
Feel free to PM me contact details.
Note: I prefer tall, curvy (not fat), athletic.
Thanks!
I have been spending much of my time in Bangkok for the past 10 years, more and more each year, and after spending the past 7 weeks in the US visiting family all I can say is that Bangkok is the greatest place on God's Earth! Nothing even close. Even ignoring the girls available, which in truth is not what it used to be, Bangkok is just a great place to live. It has almost everything you could want. The deeper you dig, the more it has. I spent years going all around the world looking for a home to retire to and Bangkok won hands down. I can't think of living anywhere else. But of course it's not for everyone.After 15 years I still like living in BKK. The gals are not so much of a draw anymore, but there is plenty in this city. The food alone is enough to keep me happy. BKK is twice as expensive as it was when I moved here, but it is still ok value compared to other cities its size.
That being said there are some minuses. Things I don't like- The climate. I just don't like the heat and humidity. Grew up in a place with a long hot summer and prefer cooler weather. As I age (closing in on 50) the humidity bothers me more. The pollution. The air in BKK is bad. After 15 years my sinuses are in rough shape. If you have allergies the pollen hooks onto the particulates in the air and is constantly at you. The traffic. Gets worse and worse. Having a motorbike is the only way to get around. The fact that you will always be viewed as an outsider and will never be able to participate in the society here. Can be good as well, I guess. But this is why I refuse to buy a condo here. They can change the rules in a flash. Currently they are looking at redoing the ruled for nominee companies. The Japanese Chamber of Commerce has already come out and said many businesses will leave if they do. You have to be able to live with the fact that the locals just don't like you. I think this is a bit better in some upcountry places and worse in Pattaya and Phuket. Another double edged sword is the pace of change in BKK. It is an amazingly dynamic city. It changes in the blink of an eye. Some changes have been great, for instance the number of boutique coffee roasters that have popped up over the last two years. Some not so great, including the changes in the P4 P scene. Sadly some of the things that one likes can be gone tomorrow.
Thailand had the better looking pussy, the better food, the better transportation, the safer streets at 2 am. and I have to say there was a lot to like. The one thing that wasn't equal was the friendliness of the ladies hired from the Go Gos. The PI is still # 1 in my favorite nuances w / sweet nice ladies but BKK was a powerful experience. I could see myself living there for a few months a year. I will do some further retirement recon late 2015.
They have food in the PI? All kidding aside, I agree with you. I would go nuts in a place like Angeles. Too much human detritus on the streets. Pattaya is pretty bad in that respect but Angeles is worse.
I will tell you that lower Suk kind of sucks as a place to live. Tourists, working girls, and all that goes along with both are there. Moving farther out is a good thing.
IllusionHeart
11-17-14, 04:14
Hi guys,
I will be in Bangkok in 3 days.
Thanks!Tony, you can take the lift to the basement of hyatt. Spasso club. Good selection of local talent. Prices range 4 to 5 k baht for ST.
When I come back to my country from Thailand. Sometimes the officers mess with me. Sometimes asking me how much the woman are over there now? My answer is I would not know.
This time when they ask me "why I went there?" I just said vacation. "he said do you know anyone in Thailand? " I say yes. " So you went to see your friends?" No I just went on vacation. As he's giving me a questionable look like that does not make sense. I was praying they would not go through my phone with pictures of me and all these Thai girls.
My goal is going to be Thailand Two times a year. I am thinking about saying to immigration officers I have a Thai girl friend. But wondering if that will open up a can of worms. Like where does she live ect?
What do you guys say why you went?
Pointy Stick
11-17-14, 13:52
Heading into Bangkok in December but noticed that EE (Goon) is no longer on the website. She gives one of the best BBBJ's I've ever had so her absence is depressing. Does anyone know if she's moved on to another shop or quit the business altogether?
Paul Kausch
11-17-14, 14:26
What do you guys say why you went?I tell them food and sightseeing.
Relax, did you break any laws? Are you bring back anything illegal? Did you fail to declare stuff you bought in Thailand? If you're clean there is nothing to worry about. They're looking for abnormal reactions. Don't get cute or smug. Just be yourself.
They've never asked me about Thai women. If they did, I'd probably give an honest answer.
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