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SmartSexy2020
12-01-15, 20:41
By now you guys must be aware of the girl with the crazy eyebrows. This is a little old post. The lady works at shock 39. Came to know she is 28 years old and no baby issues. Spoke to her for a bit. The amount agreed to was for 5 k LT. Came to the room and conversation continued. A little into the conversation foreplay started. Deep kissing and exploring each others bodies. Clothes out she proceeded to blow me while I was fondling her tits. Pretty good BJ with the right amount of pressure and tongue use. She came on top and I was banging her. Changed to doggy and finished inside her. Round 1 over. Both of us were tired and relaxed for a bit. Round 2 was pretty much the same. Called it a night and dozed off. Woke up in the morning and proceeded for round 3. She was little grumpy and was behaving mechanical. Gave up half way paid her the money and asked her to leave. All in all a good sexperience apart from the morning downer. She is definitely worth it if you treat her well and hit the right chords. Try her if you into CIS ladies. I know the picture I put up of hers is a little scary but trust me she is pretty good looking. Do try her. Thanks. For her pictures refer to my earlier posts.
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Please don't take offense but 5 k appears to be way too much particularly given the service she offered and where you found her.
It's an old discussion but I am arriving soon and know you can get more for less.
By now you guys must be aware of the girl with the crazy eyebrows. This is a little old post. The lady works at shock 39. Came to know she is 28 years old and no baby issues. Spoke to her for a bit. The amount agreed to was for 5 k LT. Came to the room and conversation continued. A little into the conversation foreplay started. Deep kissing and exploring each others bodies. Clothes out she proceeded to blow me while I was fondling her tits. Pretty good BJ with the right amount of pressure and tongue use. She came on top and I was banging her. Changed to doggy and finished inside her. Round 1 over. Both of us were tired and relaxed for a bit. Round 2 was pretty much the same. Called it a night and dozed off. Woke up in the morning and proceeded for round 3. She was little grumpy and was behaving mechanical. Gave up half way paid her the money and asked her to leave. All in all a good sexperience apart from the morning downer. She is definitely worth it if you treat her well and hit the right chords. Try her if you into CIS ladies. I know the picture I put up of hers is a little scary but trust me she is pretty good looking. Do try her. Thanks. For her pictures refer to my earlier posts.
Thanks
Wolvenvacht
12-02-15, 08:32
Please don't take offense but 5 k appears to be way too much particularly given the service she offered and where you found her.
It's an old discussion but I am arriving soon and know you can get more for less.CIS ladies seem able to charge extra for their "exotic" factor in Thailand. I have no idea why anyone would come to Thailand to find CIS women, but hey, that leaves more Thai ladies for me. .
Please don't take offense but 5 k appears to be way too much particularly given the service she offered and where you found her.
It's an old discussion but I am arriving soon and know you can get more for less.Into yet another round of posts about 'you paid too much. '.
What I pay; what you pay may differ by Baht 2000 but if I am happy then forget the cr*p of telling me I paid too much. Nothing is gained from your comment.
Hopefully "SUBJECT CLOSED. ".
Into yet another round of posts about 'you paid too much. '.
What I pay; what you pay may differ by Baht 2000 but if I am happy then forget the cr*p of telling me I paid too much. Nothing is gained from your comment.
Hopefully "SUBJECT CLOSED. ".Truthfully Scorchin' it is not just about you. It is about all of us as we are all having to interact with the same gals. What guys do be it paying big baht, treating a gal poorly, or screwing without protection effects us all, because you always come after someone and someone always comes after you. And eventually you won't be so "happy. " Just my philosophy.
All in all a good sexperience apart from the morning downer. She is definitely worth it if you treat her well and hit the right chords. Try her if you into CIS ladies. I know the picture I put up of hers is a little scary but trust me she is pretty good looking. Do try her. Thanks. For her pictures refer to my earlier posts.
ThanksAre you advertising (not want to say pimping) of this girl?
The second round started with the usual routine. She was now getting bored and told me she needs to change and we proceeded to her hotel. She told me she would be back quickly. 30 minutes passed not replying to my messages or picking up my calls. By now I should have known that I was taken for a downhill trip. Left after a while. Met her again at the nightclub. Inquired why she left she told me that she is expecting someone else and could not stay with me. So lesson learned. Pics below. Please avoid her and her friends. There are much better CIS women in Thailand who will treat you much better.And keeping away mongers from this girl? Kind of business rival?
Note: Smart-Sexy (does this word applicable for female?) 2020! For your kind notice, regular members are not facilitate for PM. Some male brains also make this kind of mistake.
Into yet another round of posts about 'you paid too much. '.
What I pay; what you pay may differ by Baht 2000 but if I am happy then forget the cr*p of telling me I paid too much. Nothing is gained from your comment.
Hopefully "SUBJECT CLOSED. ".The discussion helps to determine the going market rates and to educate newbies.
The problem is not the topic itself; but the argumentative replies both pro and con which follow.
SL.
The discussion helps to determine the going market rates and to educate newbies.
The problem is not the topic itself; but the argumentative replies both pro and con which follow.
SL.I find discussions of price, including what is too high a price, useful so long as it is done respectfully. The problem is when someone says something along the lines of "you paid too much and are ruining the market for all of us, blah, blah, blah. " But Tomasb did not say anything close to this, and I appreciate the information in his post.
The discussion helps to determine the going market rates and to educate newbies.
SL.I agree with you. I like to know the current market prices by area and by markets. The follow posts are distracting, and often useless.
So this is an old post but helps the people who are into CIS women. Was in Bangkok a few months back and was in touch with a CIS lady who I had met on the last trip. She works at bossy / shock 39 depending on the crowd. The deal was fixed at 16 k baht for 3 days which she agreed to. So reached Bangkok in the evening at around 4 and met her near her hotel. Chilled out at a place of her choice and got to know her a bit. She wasn't interested in talks and told me we should head to the room. So proceeded to the room and before the action demanded for the money. I should have used my mind instead of my little brother. Paid her 6 k and told her that would pay her the pending amount as the days progress. Action started and she says no kissing and only CBJ. She would not budge on it. So she started the CBJ and I was caressing her tits which were granny tits. What a bad start to my journey. She came on top and finished the first round. The second round started with the usual routine. She was now getting bored and told me she needs to change and we proceeded to her hotel. She told me she would be back quickly. 30 minutes passed not replying to my messages or picking up my calls. By now I should have known that I was taken for a downhill trip. Left after a while. Met her again at the nightclub. Inquired why she left she told me that she is expecting someone else and could not stay with me. So lesson learned. Pics below. Please avoid her and her friends. There are much better CIS women in Thailand who will treat you much better.I'm not trying to be insulting, there's a lot of stuff wrong here.
First, the price. If you were able to find an awesome one for 5 k thb, for 3 days the cost should be less than 5 k / day. She doesn't have to feed herself, doesn't have to search for customers and take the chance of missing out.
Next problem is agreeing to 3 days before any experience with her. Too many unknowns to commit for 3 days. I believe most of the seasoned vets suggest a ST session with an option to extend. It works out for both. Either one of you might not want to spend 3 days together after an hour in the bed.
Another thing that should have been a tipoff, she pushed to go to the room, then pressed for payment in advance. You've already agreed to 3 days, so she shouldn't be in any hurry to get to the room. The more time spent away from the room, eating, drinking, shopping or dancing, the better she makes out. Then she demands payment in advance? Then she lays down the rules? Afterwards she wants to split for awhile? Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Here's what I've learned from reading the forum:
1. When dealing with FLs or online dating, determine the rules in advance. If you're looking for GFE or PSE, no sense in meeting a girl who doesn't provide either.
2. COD. Cash on Delivery. If she walks in the door demanding payment in advance, she should walk right back out, with no more than taxi fare. If she gives a crappy ST session, then pay accordingly and send her on her way.
3. ST is a good way to decide if you want LT. Once the girl gets to your room, you might change your mind. She might have some serious baby damage, might be a starfish, might have some other issue that's a turnoff, or might have too many rules. LT is a good way to decide if you want an extended stay. In the morning, everything might change. Last night's 9 may be a 6 in the morning. Entertaining and being entertained by them for 3 days is exhausting if you don't click in every way. That new pussy smell fades pretty quickly.
On the plus side, you only lost 6 k thb, it could have been 15 k. And you got a 2 k session out of it, so not a total loss. If she's meeting you for 3 days, shouldn't she have shown up with a travel bag, or retrieved one before going to the room?
You got taken, but you missed a bunch of obvious signs and made a few rookie mistakes. Hopefully others can learn from them.
3. ST is a good way to decide if you want LT. Once the girl gets to your room, you might change your mind. She might have some serious baby damage, might be a starfish, might have some other issue that's a turnoff, or might have too many rules. LT is a good way to decide if you want an extended stay. In the morning, everything might change. Last night's 9 may be a 6 in the morning. Entertaining and being entertained by them for 3 days is exhausting if you don't click in every way. That new pussy smell fades pretty quickly.
On the plus side, you only lost 6 k thb, it could have been 15 k. And you got a 2 k session out of it, so not a total loss. If she's meeting you for 3 days, shouldn't she have shown up with a travel bag, or retrieved one before going to the room?
You got taken, but you missed a bunch of obvious signs and made a few rookie mistakes. Hopefully others can learn from them.I am not going to argue what girls are worth. It greatly depends on the girl how much she needs per day. However I agree with almost everything.
I never take a girl for LT these days on the first "date". Yes, if a girl does a great ST, is easy to get on with, and seems never in a big hurry, then she may be LT material. After more than one LT, then can start thinking about the possibility of a holiday somewhere, preferably an exciting place with plenty to do, not just fucking. E. g. I once took a Tulip girl with a great body for 3 days holiday to Krabi and Phi Phi Island, and we had a great time. However I knew her very well indeed before hand so no real risk. I had to understand carefully too how much money would be adequate to compensate her loss of work earnings and to allow for her getting a bit of rest as well, due to less fucking than normal 3 days work. She was a bit shy to specify exactly how much she needed. This made it a little more tricky to decide what was fair. However she enjoyed the holiday too so wasn't purely about the money.
Why take a girl for 3 days at all? Only if where you are going, there is a shortage of girls, or if you are really stuck badly on her. This should not happen from internet dating. If you haven't met a girl face to face and spent time with her, you just don't know her much at all.
I'll ask you this; when you deep french kiss with your ladies and there is definitely an exchange of saliva, sometimes in notable quantities, do you run to the toilet and spit it out the moment your lips are removed from hers? Why not? Isn't that saliva as much of a "waste" product at that point as your cum or her pussy juice? Of course, you don't run to the toilet and spit it out. And neither does she. You both know it would, at the very least, be insulting and, frankly, childish to do so. And I am quite sure you don't run to the toilet to spit out her pussy juice after you've DATY, right? Again, why not? Because you know full well it would be insulting to any lady on the planet for you to do so. Thanks for this. Certainly you got a good chuckle out of me. Quite an entertaining piece of logic, seriously.
Yes I love girl's saliva and usually enjoy girls pussy secretions, sometimes having to spit later after DATY but usually not.
Insulting to do so? Not at all. That is real stretch.
However I don't find sperm so appealing and would not be keen to drink it that much. If paid enough money, maybe? Ugh! It doesn't really smell that nice. Therefore I cannot logically expect the girl to enjoy to drink it either. I therefore don't need her to drink it. It's purely up to her personal wishes.
Most girls I have met spit it out. I guess they have their reasons. LOL It's not some sought after exotic elixir.
One guy was so proud of his Tulip girl taking CIM and swallowing. Later he fell in love with her and they became a couple. However same girl assured me she never ever swallowed but was good at surrepticiously getting rid of it with no sound of spitting. LOL So guys might believe she swallowed but actually did not. Is this the perfect etiquette you refer to?
Girls can try hard to give customers what they want to maximise repeat customers and earnings. Girls may have there limits and swallowing is a common limit, can be overcome in many cases by extra money or desperate need for money. Girls really into it? Not many, but I wouldn't care at all.
I would like to make a correction regarding my comment about someone who in my view paid too much for services rendered as I did not notice that the girl was from CIS.
Anyone reading this thread or Pattaya know that CIS girls habitually offer their services for much more than the usual rate. They also consistently provide sub par service, which can be easily gleaned by RTFF. His experience sadly matches those of many more.
In short: Caveat Emptor!
Why take a girl for 3 days at all? Only if where you are going, there is a shortage of girls, or if you are really stuck badly on her. This should not happen from internet dating. If you haven't met a girl face to face and spent time with her, you just don't know her much at all.I almost made that mistake. I had been chatting with a girl for several weeks. Had agreed to meet and take her away for 3 days. No price specified, but I was bringing gifts. As it got closer to the day, her attitude dropped off. Then she was going to need money before to pay someone to fill in at her work. She had a legit daytime job. Then she wanted a specific gify, one worth about 15 days of her time, at the local rate.
It took a very disappointing ST starfish I had set up the day before my planned meeting to convince me I was throwing money away if I saw her. Fortunately, I hadn't spent too much on gifts and was able to give them out as tips.
It's pay day at Crazy House today. 3rd of the month. Likely to be the best possible line up of current girls.
RockHound74
12-03-15, 16:38
This report is of my days in BKK for a trip a few weeks ago. This past trip was split between BKK and Pattaya. I will be heading back on business in a few days. So look for a few new reports soon.
Day 1.
This trip was originally for my wingman and I to take my GF (Nat) and my wingmans GF (Nok) to Koh Samui for a week long wife up trip. But some things transpired earlier in the month that stopped that trip so wingman and I decided to go anyway just to BKK for the week and just spend 2 days with the girls. Or at least the ones that wanted to fuck.
I flew to Texas to meet wingman there and we grabbed a flight on EVA for $750 round trip. Stopped in TPE and then to BKK. 19 hours total flying time. Got to BKK on Oct 25 at 12 noon. Grabbed a tourist sim for 10 days. We walked around to meet the girls. Nat was looking hot as usual and Nok looked really cute as well. Wingman and Nok have a different relationship since she is married and likes my wingmans company BUT will not have sex with him now? He enjoys spending time with her but did not want to spend a whole week in BKK or Koh Samui for a week not fucking her. I cannot blame him He is much more patient than I am.
We get a van to the hotel and swim for the afternoon. Nok gets a swimsuit gift from Wingman and Nat brought her suit and looked hot in it. Her body is a thing of beauty and curvy. We swim for 1 hour in a very cold pool. Which is crazy for BKK but it was cold even though the air temp was really hot. We finish up and the girls head back to their places to get ready for dinner.
Wingman and I had about 2 hours to kill so we headed to Snow White for a "massage" . Wing took a cute girl named Emmy. He said she was a decent performer after, I took Candy. She was new it seemed but was a good performer. In the room I immediately started kissing her DFK and started checking out her clean pussy. Started to kissing and rubbing, 'tried to make her cum but she was not quite into so on to the shower and the main event. Cover on and I fuck the shit out of her for 25 minutes in a few positions (Mish, Doggie, lazy). I was being superman since the condom was small, Kamagra and I was tired. I was going to make her work. So after I was done sweating out any hydration that I did have I laid back and let her BBBJCIM. She was a decent girl but lacked some technique. I was going to hit her for round 2 until I looked at the clock. Had to go meet Nat for dinner. Wingman was not done but was not long after.
Wingman took his date to a seafood super store place not to far away and I take Nat and Nat's friend, Lee, to dinner at Zanzabar. They did not eat much but did drink some. After an hour and half we head back to the hotel and start drinking the booze in the room. Vodka and Whiskey with mixers. Wing and Nok join us all in the room to play cards and drink. Long story short Lee was really there to take care of Wingman's needs (Nat, Wingman and I discussed what Lee's role was before the trip) so we had to finally kick out a drunk Nok since we knew she was not going to fuck anyone there.
Nat and I go to the room and I fuck her like old times multiple positions and kissing, sucking. Creampies and then her period hit in the morning. Damn it this happened my last trip with her!
Day 2.
The next day I take Nat shopping for a new iPhone (I promised her that last trip) but found out the one she wanted was not available until Oct 30. So that was a bust but she did get some pills to take care of her period supposedly. Then we all, wing, Lee, Nat and I) tried to find a paintball place we saw online and ended up running all over BKK in a taxi for 500 baht but never found the place due to bad directions on the website. We then just decided to go back to the Hotel and swim / rest up before going to Lavana for a legit massage for all 4 of us. Swim and resting done we go to Lavana at 6 pm for a 2 hour Thai and Oil massage. Heaven..
After that the girls hit the Salon to do their hair. Wingman and I go to Suzy Wongs to see Booni, the mamasan that got nicked for [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) pimping basically. We wanted to make sure she was OK and maybe line up a girl for the following night. The line up is old and tired at Suzy's now in my opinion. Wing sets up a date with a previous girl great blowjob girl of his Oui (Oool-Wee) . He gets her for 9 pm the following night and we find out all clubs will close at 12 midnight and Buddah day was on Tuesday. FUCK! Tuesday was our last day in BKK! Ge, a hostess and a conquest from a previous trip, was at Suzy's and immediately wanted me to take her. I explained that tonight we are not butterflies and needed to rest. Wing was not feeling really well so took some medication and want to chill back at the hotel. I thought that he and I might just call it a night and not go out with the girls. BUT. When the girls got back from the Salon looking Hot it change us! Nat said "let's go to Nana" and we said OK. Little did we know that was BS. We get in the taxi and off to a club. FUCK! This is going to be a long night. Tuesday was Buddha day so all the bars were going to be closed on Tuesday which I told headstrong Nat. She would not have it. We started heading to their first choice and was told it was going to close at 12 midnight. So we tried #2.same. Finally we found a club (cannot remember the name). I did get my second wind once we go to the club. We buy a bottle of Jack Daniels and the girls start sucking it down. We finally finish the night with 2 very drunk girls at 3 am. We come back and try to get them both to model some outfits that Wingman brought for them. Nat immediately was ready but Lee was not into pictures. So we retire to our rooms and fuck the hell out of our girls. Wing and I wanted to get them into bed together but it did not happen so it is what it is. Don't cry over spilled breast milk.
Nat and I fuck and cum 3 times until I was spent at 4:30 am.
Day 3.
Wake up - 8:30 and lazy doggie to a creampie Nat. Her period was not quite stopped from what I found after. But not bad. I shower and let her sleep. I get out of the shower and came back, she immediately grabs my cock and starts sucking me to attention. Fuck her Mish and Doggie and then Mish again to creampie again and she starts to shake! Nice! I love that. Nat and I go down for breakfast after her shower and I clean up again at 9:45.
Wingman is doing Lee and finally completes and meets us for breakfast not long after. He was still dealing with his stomach issues due to bad seafood from the seafood place so we both decide to just relax after breakfast. The girls leave us and go home. We can finally rest. OMG did we. I fall asleep at 11 am, wing goes to meet Nok to talk about her maybe going with us to Pattaya. Then returns to rest. I was in and out from 11 am – 8 pm. I am glad that I got caught up on my sleep since we were out so late. 8:30 wingman and I meet Oui for dinner at the Little Italy place in the Jasmine City plaza. Disappointing meal. Then we leave at 9 pm to hit the Crazy House gogo. Now we know where the talent went. This place was hopping and had a ton of naked hot girls. We order beer, which is normally forbidden to be sold on Buddha day, but they were selling it in the truckloads. The place was packed wall to wall and I can see why especially since it was the only place basically breaking the law. They must have a great contact with the police. I drink a few beers and pull #14 Paw (PAL) off the stage and barfine her. Basically 3000 for short time and 1000 baht bar fine! OUCH but she was hot! I guess when you are the only game in town on Buddha day you do what you want.
Wing, Oui, Paw and I go back to the hotel to play cards (Adult WAR. Part drinking game part stripping game). Fun game as everyone ends up naked in the end and usually drunk. Paw did not drink any alcohol so that was out. Warning #1. I did notice now in the room she was distant. Warning #2 even though the signs in the club were promising I knew about 10 minutes in to the card game I had a starfish. About 30 min later after we finished the card game. Everyone was naked too. She and I hit the bed and she lays there. Just starts to stroke and I try to kiss her and closed lips. Warning #3. So here we go. I ask her to shower and set up my cam. I shower and come back to a beautiful Thai spinner on my bed. I spring to life and start to rub and lick her pussy. No response really. I know I am pretty good in that department after 20+ years of mongering experience. I ask "OK" and "Sabai Di" and she nods. I come up and start to kiss her and she says "Condom?" I said "of course" and grab one from my drawer and start to go to town. Nice Thai – t pussy. She had one kid and you could see via see section so that would account for being tight with a kid. And as suspected pretty much a star fish. After 15 minutes of me fucking her I close my eyes and imagine a few other rock star girls I have had in the past and my kick ass GF, Nat, in bed. That did the trick. POP. She says" You OK" I say "Yes" and she goes to shower. Comes back and gets dressed and leaves. I walk her out and lay down for a long BKK sleep.
Day 4.
Wake up and pack for Pattaya. Told Khemika I was going to Singapore on business so that wing and I could get away! We catch Tann's Taxi service to the Penthouse hotel in Pattaya not far from walking street. Wingman and I are really wondering about this place from the pictures but it is a party room. Sex Swings, Jacuzzi tub, mirrors all over the place and dancing poles. We talk about our experiences on the ride down. So far not quite what we had hoped but OK. We had hoped to get my Nat and Lee together but alas not to happen.
I will post the rest of the trip in the Pattaya section.
Stay Safe and rock on.
Rockhound74
It's pay day at Crazy House today. 3rd of the month. Likely to be the best possible line up of current girls.The line up was not quite as good as expected. Most girls I know missing, including the very pretty Paeng. Only two girls known Nan and Noi.
Still some oretty girls. The best to my taste were 99 and 112. I picked out 99 due to skinny very pretty pussy and ass. Face good enough. 112 was prettier but thickish thighs.
New girls are always a gamble. 99 turned out to be a bit of a starfish type, so money wasted this time. She thought I fucked very long time. It wasn't that long, so obviously lacks experience. Not forceful at any point. She just wasn't into it.
She seemed to get quite turned on by Daty early but clearly did not want to cum.
Member #4698
12-03-15, 19:11
She seemed to get quite turned on by Daty early but clearly did not want to cum.I remember a certain Baccara girl I barfined a while back. She was an attractive girl and we were getting along fine. Anyway, it was our first time together and I was performing cunnilingus on her. I believe she was enjoying it as evidenced by how wet she was and by her far away facial expression, but then she suddenly stopped me just as we were getting to the climax. I asked her why and she said she did want to have an orgasm because it made her sleepy. I laughed and then it came to me; she was planning on going back to Baccara after our session and look for another prospective customer. That thought deflated things a little for me, but I shagged her in cowgirl and mish anyway until I came. It was a decent session otherwise and the girl was attractive.
After sex, we showered, dressed, and I took her back to the bar. It was still kind of early, so I sat down with her and bought a round of drinks. After a while she very politely asked if I minded if she got dressed and went back on the stage. I told her it was ok although in reality I did not like it at all. I stuck around long enough to see her climb back on the stage. Then I finished my drink, waved by by, and left Baccara for greener pastures.
A few nights later I went back to Baccara. She came over all smiles and happy to see me. I was nice and friendly to her and even bought her a drink, but when she asked if I wanted to barfine her again, I said no thanks. I think she was a little surprised and disappointed by my response, but I didn't feel obligated to explain it to her. IMHO she blew it because I do not like Go Go girls that employ this particular business model and I never repeat with them. Instead, I prefer equally attractive Go Go girls who enjoy having orgasms, if at all possible, and who do not want to go back to their Go Go's to try for that 2nd customer when they are with me and I am still buying drinks or dinner and we are still supposedly having a good time. This is how I weed out certain girls with not so good attitudes from my portfolio and wind up keeping only the winners. I tend to repeat very often with my preferred girls and so the benefits from this alternative way of doing things accrue to both of us. It's a win win.
Last year a new place opened on Soi 12 that was for afternoon sessions. It was across from Darlings. Forgot the name and is it still open. ?
Member #4698
12-04-15, 03:09
She said SHE DID NOT WANT TO HAVE AN ORGASM because it made her sleepy. I laughed and then it came to me; she was planning to go back to work at Baccara after our session and look for another prospective customer.
Atl Lost Soul
12-04-15, 03:29
Morning everyone. I'm coming to Bangkok for the first time on Sunday and staying through Thursday. I'll be at the Centara World / Centara Grand hotel, and could use some advice on what to do. I'll be with multiple people I work with and won't be able to goto Cowboy or Anna's, etc each night. I need a couple of outcall / website suggestions. I've looked at a couple of sites and then read reviews that they weren't real etc. Would like a couple of Thai girls and 1 Russian / white. It would be awesome if it listed what services they provide and don't, as I've seen that on some.
Any and all advice is appreciated.
Thanks
Wolvenvacht
12-04-15, 08:23
I I believe she was enjoying it as evidenced by how wet she was and by her far away facial expression, but then she suddenly stopped me just as we were getting to the climax. I asked her why and she said she did not want to have an orgasm because it made her sleepy. I laughed and then it came to me; she was planning on going back to Baccara after our session and look for another prospective customer. A very astute comment, Natty!
I have heard that several times from ST girls in massage places or (Pattaya) Soi 6 bars.
That's one of the (main) reasons I favor LT romps as it makes things more relaxed and there is no incentive for her to "save" herself for other clients. With a lilttle effort one can make her enjoy the sessions too and that cannot be a bad thing.
Christian G
12-04-15, 14:18
Last year a new place opened on Soi 12 that was for afternoon sessions. It was across from Darlings. Forgot the name and is it still open. ?http://thedenbangkok.com/ The Den.
Traveler1234
12-04-15, 15:24
I need a couple of outcall / website suggestions. I've looked at a couple of sites and then read reviews that they weren't real etc.
ThanksMany of the oilies will provide room service, including mango, tulip, snow white, bamboo. Do a search in the other thread for specific up-to-date recommendations or just call and talk with the mamasan. Expect to pay 3000 for 2 hrs, multiple pops. Tips are optional. The oilies are just a few BTS stops from your hotel so they can make it over within 30 minutes of call.
Last year a new place opened on Soi 12 that was for afternoon sessions. It was across from Darlings. Forgot the name and is it still open. ?On a tangent, I looked in at Darling recently line up about on par with Annies, a bit behind, but far fewer girls. Nothing to interest me. I conrinued on to Loli-tas for cute Anne.
Another day looked in Toy Bar. Thought about doing depraved things there. However the girls were just not sexy enough.
Today was a day of accidents.
Thought I haad a couple of hours to spare, so No. 14 Annies seemed to pop into my head as top priority for a very sexy session. She wasn't working. So looked in at Can Cam but desired target not there. In way to Addict checked Mango and ended up with my regular. On way out saw a new girl I assume, Fern although its months since I was in Mango. She is slim and very pretty to my taste. I wonder has anyone tried her. I certainly will another day.
Went for a meal then thought I would just check out Crazy House briefly. Some very pretty girls. 105,114, 125. Etc. I was adniring ass if one girl pmfacibg away. Then noticed tits were sticking out from her side. Probably has two foitball sized silicobes I thought. I still had bot seen her from the front. The girls got called to change abd suddenly I saw her face just slightly and realised it was Ging Gaew, a cutie with big naturals. I did not think she had seen me, so was about to get up and go look for her but pessimistically assuming she was already taken. Suddenly she arrives and I pull her onto my lap. What a shock. I haven't seen her workibg for a while and normally she is very hard to get to, custoners typucally summoning her wuthin 20 seconds of sighting her. I never intended to BF anyone but here I have a special opportunity. I get the newer female mamasan who is very nice. I think her name is Paeng. The stunning dancing girl also called Paeng is also here so I have choices.
Take Ging for short time. She has a small cute face and amazing curvy body. She is a timid but still very nice DFK girl. Very responsive to DATY. Told me she had very little sex for two weeks but did work on 1st Dec.
She is only 19 and inexperienced but a nice soft BBBJ. Her pussy feels exquisite. Sex in mish, sideways, almost on tummy and doggy. The feeling is so good, I cum much quicker than usual, still not quick for the girls standards, despite having another girl earlier.
I should now be very satisfied. In way to get a taxi I pass the temporary cart bars that open about 9 pm on road side pavement. One girl is just stunning and her friend very pretty. I can't stop myself and end up sitting between Oom and Biw having a few drinks and having a chat in Thai with the Thai girls and a Japanese customer who speaks Thai OK also. I might try to get into Oom another day. She has very pretty face and nice tits, but short. Even the tall LB at this bar was very pretty and managed to get a young Farang customer. Seems my Oom doesn't work much and rarely if ever goes with a man custoner, however I will surely try some day. She claims to have previously knocked back 10000 offer from a Japanese custoner previously but I think she really needs the money. Her day job is 7 eleven. I will see if charm and honesty can possibly work another day.
Wolvenvacht
12-04-15, 20:19
I will see if charm and honesty can possibly work another day.Haha, what an innovative strategy. Let's hear if it works better than money and sweet-talk.
I am not going to argue what girls are worth. It greatly depends on the girl how much she needs per day. However I agree with almost everything.
I never take a girl for LT these days on the first "date". Yes, if a girl does a great ST, is easy to get on with, and seems never in a big hurry, then she may be LT material. After more than one LT, then can start thinking about the possibility of a holiday somewhere, preferably an exciting place with plenty to do, not just fucking. E. g. I once took a Tulip girl with a great body for 3 days holiday to Krabi and Phi Phi Island, and we had a great time. However I knew her very well indeed before hand so no real risk. I had to understand carefully too how much money would be adequate to compensate her loss of work earnings and to allow for her getting a bit of rest as well, due to less fucking than normal 3 days work. She was a bit shy to specify exactly how much she needed. This made it a little more tricky to decide what was fair. However she enjoyed the holiday too so wasn't purely about the money.
Why take a girl for 3 days at all? Only if where you are going, there is a shortage of girls, or if you are really stuck badly on her. This should not happen from internet dating. If you haven't met a girl face to face and spent time with her, you just don't know her much at all.Hi Syzygies,
I have the same problem, so I feel your pain.
Would you mind sharing the result of your deliberations on what you consider a fair compensation (in THB) for a multi-day arrangement / trip with a top performer from Tulip, Mango, Cherry, EZ, etc? By PM, if appropriate.
I'll be spending a lot of time (several weeks on-off) with a particular lady, who seems to enjoy the company of a guy, old enough to be her grandfather, when I come to BKK in February. At least she did this winter and never asked for money. Being a gentleman and knowing that the she needed cash, I probably overpayed grossly in terms of presents, shoppng trips and inflated "taxi money".
Much appreciate your answer.
DS.
Went for a meal then thought I would just check out Crazy House briefly. Some very pretty girls. 105,114, 125. Etc. I was admiring ass of one girl facing away from me. Then noticed tits were sticking out from her side. Probably has two football sized silicones I thought. I still had not seen her from the front. The girls got called to change over and suddenly I saw her face just slightly and realised it was Ging Gaew No. 40, a cutie with big naturals. I did not think she had seen me, so was about to get up and go look for her but pessimistically assuming she was already taken. Suddenly she arrives and I pull her onto my lap. What a shock. I haven't seen her working for a while and normally she is very hard to get to, customers typically summoning her within 20 seconds of sighting her. Corrected some woeful typing above.
Ging Gaew looks a bit like this. Especially the 2nd pic. Her tits are D cups I guess. Perhaps bigger than this pic. Just 19 no babies so tits are superb at this age. She is also a good fuck despite probably lack of experience. Only makes 30K per month because doesn't work much. If she was a bit diligent she could pull 120K+ a month with little problem.
Finnish Fucker
12-05-15, 10:48
Corrected some woeful typing above.
Ging Gaew looks a bit like this. Especially the 2nd pic. Her tits are D cups I guess. Perhaps bigger than this pic. Just 19 no babies so tits are superb at this age. She is also a good fuck despite probably lack of experience. Only makes 30K per month because doesn't work much. If she was a bit diligent she could pull 120K+ a month with little problem.Is this Ging Gaew the same girl that you posted a pic of in your earlier post 31908?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1758107&viewfull=1#post1758107.
Cheers, FF.
Is this Ging Gaew the same girl that you posted a pic of in your earlier post 31908?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1758107&viewfull=1#post1758107.
Cheers, FF.Yes that is her. She has gained 2 or 3 Kilos since then so tits got bigger. LOL She is wide slung so tits stick out from her sides even if arms are lowered. She looked particularly cute to me last night, from face and ass, even ignoring the tits. Not many young slim Thai girls with Dcups. Perhaps I exaggerate and they are only big Cs. I don't have a tape measure to check. Perhaps I can use hand spans. They certainly swing and bounce around though. The pussy was just right size for me so had extra good feeling, despite not my first fuck of the day. This meant I got orgasm quicker than usual, as usually long time for me.
How many inches extra are Dcups beyond the underneath tit measure? It's supposed to be 4 inches extra I believe (3 inches for C cup). I will try to check next time for increased objectivety. I would be surprised if each of her tits does not eat up another two inches. They are not saggy.
Would you mind sharing the result of your deliberations on what you consider a fair compensation (in THB) for a multi-day arrangement / trip with a top performer from Tulip, Mango, Cherry, EZ, etc? By PM, if appropriate.
DS.Was too long ago to remember what I paid. In any case every girl situation can be different. No one price suits all.
Things to consider. If she does not work, how much does she get fined, or has to be paid to shop for full day outtake. How much would she have likely earned on those days. I would pay at least to cover that even though she may actually fuck much less. My reasoning is that I would be taking away her free time as well, having the girl 24 hours per day. Some girls don't want to lose all their free time, unless there is some compensation for it, such as seeing some exciting place, getting a leaser workout on the pussy, having a non boring time, and still getting a good sleep.
I think that last one is important. Girls like their beauty sleep. Nothing worse than an outtake with a customer who wants to fuck all night, and pay as little as possible. In the end it is necessary to ask the girl if X will be a fair price for her 3 days, and hope she is okay With it.
I recall once I suggested a price to an up class soapy girl for the night. Instead of countering my offer, she simply hung up the phone and would not speak to me for some while. She was clearly expecting a significantly larger offer. LOL She was damn hot and probably used to rich customers paying very big money. So my outtake with her never happened. My starting price was obviously an insult to her. LOL.
Hi Syzygies,
I have the same problem, so I feel your pain.
Would you mind sharing the result of your deliberations on what you consider a fair compensation (in THB) for a multi-day arrangement / trip with a top performer from Tulip, Mango, Cherry, EZ, etc? By PM, if appropriate.
I'll be spending a lot of time (several weeks on-off) with a particular lady, who seems to enjoy the company of a guy, old enough to be her grandfather, when I come to BKK in February. At least she did this winter and never asked for money. Being a gentleman and knowing that the she needed cash, I probably overpayed grossly in terms of presents, shoppng trips and inflated "taxi money".
Much appreciate your answer.
DS.I like taking Thai girls on vacation. I have taken many on trips within Thailand, Laos and also Cambodia and Vietnam. Thai citizens do not need visas for those countries. My girls are not from bars. Couple of them were massage girls I met and others from meeting wherever. Thai girls make very good companions.
There is no set compensation. But if she is working in a bar her expectations maybe high unless she likes you. You need to compensate as if she is going to be bar fined every day. In addition some shopping. If you make it a business deal you may not get a GF experience.
WizardOfOz
12-05-15, 14:27
I am a regular visitor to Thailand, and drop into Bangkok each time I visit. I am cool with all the things involved with bar girls, escorts, freelancers, etc, and have no problem in this area.
However, the past two times I've been to Bangkok, I've stayed in the same hotel, and there is a very pretty girl who serves in the restaurant area, hopefully she's still there the next time I visit.
The first time I found her rather pleasant, and even though she didn't appear to speak much English, we managed to communicate okay. The second time she looked stunning and when I gave her a nice tip, she was pleased to see me each time I went into the restaurant.
I began thinking about how much I wanted to share my bed with this girl, and wondered if she would available for that type of thing. I realize there are many easily obtainable young ladies in bars, etc, but my mind keeps going back to this girl and what it would take to talk her into spending an evening with me.
As I don't wish to get myself into any trouble in Bangkok, or upset the young lady, I am after advice as to the best way to find out if she may be up for what I'm interested in. I mean, is there a question I can ask her, or some way to let her know what I'm after?
Maybe it is her apparent unavailability which interests me, I don't know, but I'the like to find out, and would appreciate any advice on offer.
Maybe it is her apparent unavailability which interests me, I don't know, but I'the like to find out, and would appreciate any advice on offer.Simple, stay at another hotel close by and stop by and see if she offers takeout.
Robert Long
12-06-15, 06:54
I am a regular visitor to Thailand, and drop into Bangkok each time I visit. I am cool with all the things involved with bar girls, escorts, freelancers, etc, and have no problem in this area.
However, the past two times I've been to Bangkok, I've stayed in the same hotel, and there is a very pretty girl who serves in the restaurant area, hopefully she's still there the next time I visit.
The first time I found her rather pleasant, and even though she didn't appear to speak much English, we managed to communicate okay. The second time she looked stunning and when I gave her a nice tip, she was pleased to see me each time I went into the restaurant.
I began thinking about how much I wanted to share my bed with this girl, and wondered if she would available for that type of thing. I realize there are many easily obtainable young ladies in bars, etc, but my mind keeps going back to this girl and what it would take to talk her into spending an evening with me.
Just ask her if she would like to join you and go see a movie at MBK. A simple date. Build on that. I've dated a few nice Thai ladies and they love movies and shopping. Show her that you are a nice guy and the legs will open. The key is giving a little to break down her defenses.
I've had bankers, school teachers and store clerks and they all are ready on the next date. Trust is important to all women.
RL.
I am a regular visitor to Thailand, and drop into Bangkok each time I visit. I am cool with all the things involved with bar girls, escorts, freelancers, etc, and have no problem in this area.
However, the past two times I've been to Bangkok, I've stayed in the same hotel, and there is a very pretty girl who serves in the restaurant area, hopefully she's still there the next time I visit.
The first time I found her rather pleasant, and even though she didn't appear to speak much English, we managed to communicate okay. The second time she looked stunning and when I gave her a nice tip, she was pleased to see me each time I went into the restaurant.
I began thinking about how much I wanted to share my bed with this girl, and wondered if she would available for that type of thing. I realize there are many easily obtainable young ladies in bars, etc, but my mind keeps going back to this girl and what it would take to talk her into spending an evening with me.
As I don't wish to get myself into any trouble in Bangkok, or upset the young lady, I am after advice as to the best way to find out if she may be up for what I'm interested in. I mean, is there a question I can ask her, or some way to let her know what I'm after?
Maybe it is her apparent unavailability which interests me, I don't know, but I'the like to find out, and would appreciate any advice on offer.Ha Ha! This is a difficult question but there are a few easy guidelines.
1. Many nice Thai girls are taken already. Have a husband or boyfriend. However if you ask them about this, they tend to be secretive and not give a straight answer. You can't expect to get a simple truth here. Sometimes Thai girls describe a boyfriend as merely a friend. They are too shy to admit they have a fucking partner already. Some girls even have a female partner in lesbian relationship, getting surprisingly common these days.
2. You have to consider your motives carefully first. If you are just looking for a fuck, its far easier just to pay a girl for that. No complications. Then if she is not a fabulous fuck, you simply move on to the next one.
3. If you are start dating this girl, you could fall for her badly in a short time, despite communication difficulties. Then she could start manipulating you, or visa versa.
4. Thai girls are a bit shy about dating Farangs, as there is still some stigma attached to it in Thai society. So be discreet. You don't play up with a good Thai girl in public. You have to show respect for her.
5. If you are very keen on this girl and consider the possibility of a permanent relationship, then you can try. You might not find out easily if their is a possibility or not. However if she agrees to some sort of date, all is possible. If you just want her as a temporary play thing, then I advise against it, as being a selfish thing. I prefer just to pay a hooker. Other posters here are selfish and don't really care what happens to the girl. As I have a girlfriend already, I only use hookers, or semi-hookers, and prefer to be honest with them. E. g. Met a girl at bar the other night. Its not clear she is really a hooker, or just sells drinks. So I was honest and told her I have a GF already and just playup due to not enough sex. So she knows the score and is placed to decide if she wants to have sex with me for fun and money or not. I am not into duping girls. So far she is still contacting me, so I just need to see if she is trying to play me for money or not.
Member #4387
12-06-15, 14:28
I am a regular visitor to Thailand, and drop into Bangkok each time I visit. I am cool with all the things involved with bar girls, escorts, freelancers, etc, and have no problem in this area.
However, the past two times I've been to Bangkok, I've stayed in the same hotel, and there is a very pretty girl who serves in the restaurant area, hopefully she's still there the next time I visit.
The first time I found her rather pleasant, and even though she didn't appear to speak much English, we managed to communicate okay. The second time she looked stunning and when I gave her a nice tip, she was pleased to see me each time I went into the restaurant.
I began thinking about how much I wanted to share my bed with this girl, and wondered if she would available for that type of thing. I realize there are many easily obtainable young ladies in bars, etc, but my mind keeps going back to this girl and what it would take to talk her into spending an evening with me.
As I don't wish to get myself into any trouble in Bangkok, or upset the young lady, I am after advice as to the best way to find out if she may be up for what I'm interested in. I mean, is there a question I can ask her, or some way to let her know what I'm after?
Maybe it is her apparent unavailability which interests me, I don't know, but I'the like to find out, and would appreciate any advice on offer.Have done this a few times during my stays in BKK over the years. One thing you need to consider if she is waitress at a hotelrestaurant is that there might be a policy for staff against entertaining foreigners. There are ways to bypass this but might be to much of a hazzle in a city with thousands and thousands of beauty.
If you look away from this policy (I know I have at times)just be flirty and try to figure out if the girl has plans after work. Many staffs go out together after work so try figure out where she will go out. I did this a couple of times from the German Beerhouse and met the girls after their work at a closeby bar. I have also done this for waitresses in other venues (I e a english / irish pub / bar located almost next to stairs up to Nana BTS station, don't recall the name though but its still there and the girl too. look for the tallest waitress in green outfit). Just be chatty, smiley and check out the lay of the land. My girls were all bedded so I guess they were out for some play. I have no interest into checking out their relationship status as this would be non of my interest. Not directly into pay for play girls but I donated money to them anyway as I am not interested in any freebies as that sucks and feels only cheap on my behalf since I am not looking for anything serious whatsoever. They don't earn much as waitresses so they could all need something extra I am sure.
For others girls if u stay around Siam Paragorn ie Kempinski ask girls out for a date at some of the nice restos ground floor level at this mall. Most girls know ofcourse about this mall but not to many have never eaten here at its restos. Its not expensive by western standards though so if u are one u can relax about the costs. Ive had quite a few dates here lately, mostly bcs its conveniently located for the Kempinski or the Intercon hotels.. Used only for normal girly dates(mostly officeworkers, airlinecrew etc)..
Finnish Fucker
12-07-15, 17:54
Yes that is her. She has gained 2 or 3 Kilos since then so tits got bigger. LOL She is wide slung so tits stick out from her sides even if arms are lowered. She looked particularly cute to me last night, from face and ass, even ignoring the tits. Not many young slim Thai girls with Dcups. Perhaps I exaggerate and they are only big Cs. I don't have a tape measure to check. Perhaps I can use hand spans. They certainly swing and bounce around though. The pussy was just right size for me so had extra good feeling, despite not my first fuck of the day. This meant I got orgasm quicker than usual, as usually long time for me.
How many inches extra are Dcups beyond the underneath tit measure? It's supposed to be 4 inches extra I believe (3 inches for C cup). I will try to check next time for increased objectivety. I would be surprised if each of her tits does not eat up another two inches. They are not saggy.I would rank those as Ccups. She has a big gap between the tits. Decent looking tits but shame about the red sports / scars on the skin of her boobs, that does not look nice.
Here are natural Dcups on a thai girl.
I would rank those as Ccups. She has a big gap between the tits. Decent looking tits but shame about the red sports / scars on the skin of her boobs, that does not look nice.
Here are natural Dcups on a thai girl.Ging Gaew has a couple of brown spots not red. I did not check if were a scar or a mole type thing or what. Obviously they could be shopped out for a photo. Maybe something from working on a farm. Photos really show up the marks.
Your photo certainly shows bigger tits perhaps double D would be my guess. I don't remember if I ever met a slim Thai girl with natural tits that big. Probably not. Maybe on a fatter girl or with tits more saggy. One girl had very large tits from breast feeding as she had recently given birth but her whole figure was a bit blown up post pregnancy. I fucked her and pussy was rather stretched too. Her tits may still not have been to size in your pic. Getting milk was certainly possible. Too many years ago. I also remember a skinny girl from Lollipop bar in Nana perhaps 18 years ago with very big high tits, but again I think probably less than double D in your pic. May have old photos back in the homeland. May have got rid of them.
Exact size is not too important for me. More than a handful and more than a mouthful. Beauty is not about size.
Your girl looks very good. Shape and beauty is far more important than size. I take girls in full range of cups size from A- to D+ if they look good. I avoid the sillycoconuts mostly and avoid the bad nose jobs. I also are not so keen on shrunken hanging tit bags or very saggy asses. I also take girls ranging from short 154cm to as tall as exist for a Thai girl. Never met a 184cm girl as yet. I also take white through to dark skin.
Ugly nose and tits jobs cover about 80 to 90% of those opps.
Next time I go with Ging I will try to get a pic of new size and measure. No way as big as girl in your pic though and I am not trying to compete for breast sizes. I will ask her to lower arms so tits do not separate as much.
One of my current favourite girls right now is a B or close to C which is enough for me. She has dark skin very tight curvy body and her looks remind me of Halle Berry due to darkish skin and the face and curves. One pic is the actual girl wearing blue. However she is a lot darker than pic suggests, has put on just a little more weight, and hair is now shorter like Halle's hair. She is also bi-sexual so I have suggested to take her to a Nudie bar to ogle some hot naked girls. LOL.
Wanted to check out soi 33. Not for massage just have some beers in a bar, chat with other farangs or girls and maybe more. But all the pubs were empty, and I mean empty. I was in 5 or 6 bars and there was no single farang. In most of the bars only the cashier and no girls. What happened there? It was never very crowded but some years ago there there at least some people in the bars?
Guys, I'm considering a trip to BKK and Pattaya in January, and I'm looking for some advice from the Thailand pros.
How hard is it to get BBFS from girls in Thailand? Is it like most girls will agree, but you just have to pay extra? Or are the thai girls very opposed to this? Is it something you can just ask for freely in the bar / gogo when your getting to know the girl?
How hard is it to get BBFS from girls in Thailand? Is it like most girls will agree, but you just have to pay extra? Or are the thai girls very opposed to this? Is it something you can just ask for freely in the bar / gogo when your getting to know the girl?Oh shit! Another war to erupt? I wish you posted in the "Safe Sex in Thailand" Thread although perhaps we should have another thread called "Unsafe sex in Thailand".
Guys, I'm considering a trip to BKK and Pattaya in January, and I'm looking for some advice from the Thailand pros.
How hard is it to get BBFS from girls in Thailand? Is it like most girls will agree, but you just have to pay extra? Or are the thai girls very opposed to this? Is it something you can just ask for freely in the bar / gogo when your getting to know the girl?Depends on how much the girl likes you and / or how desperate she is. Either way, not a good idea. You'll get burned eventually (literally and figuratively).
Ralph Kramden
12-08-15, 14:22
Corrected some woeful typing above.
Ging Gaew looks a bit like this. Especially the 2nd pic. Her tits are D cups I guess. Perhaps bigger than this pic. Just 19 no babies so tits are superb at this age. She is also a good fuck despite probably lack of experience. Only makes 30K per month because doesn't work much. If she was a bit diligent she could pull 120K+ a month with little problem.I have always found it amazing how a looker like Ging Gaew ends up a prostitute when she is every bit as attractive if not more than Kylie Jenner, who by virtue of her birthplace and name will make millions by simply acting like a prostitute.
Sorry for the sermonizing. However, on a positive note we have the opportunity to pay for and enjoy the beauty Ging Gaew possesses.
Guys, I'm considering a trip to BKK and Pattaya in January, and I'm looking for some advice from the Thailand pros.
How hard is it to get BBFS from girls in Thailand? Is it like most girls will agree, but you just have to pay extra? Or are the thai girls very opposed to this? Is it something you can just ask for freely in the bar / gogo when your getting to know the girl?It isn't nearly as hard to get BBFS as one might conclude from reading online message boards. My observation and experience has been every P4 P girl in the business makes exceptions to the "no condom, no sex" addage. And so does every customer.
However, I wouldn't suggest asking for it "freely" in the bar / go go. You are asking for a level of intimacy, real Girlfriend-Boyfriend type sex if you will, that many bargirls would not want their co-workers or other customers to know they are willing to engage in with someone they just met. Be discrete about it. Treat it as though you understand that you are asking for something special of the girl, something that will remain in personal confidence between the two of you. Chances are you won't need to go through many rejections before you get the response you want or need.
Meanwhile, there are ways to be a more responsible bare-backer in the P4 P world. One is to get a vasectomy. Another is on your first day in Thailand, take an HIV and STI blood screening test. Bangkok Red Cross does them for about 400 baht. Takes about 90 minutes total from the time you walk in until you get the results document. Keep a copy of it with you to show the lady if that will add at least some comfort to her about it.
I too would like a forum devoted to this subject. My vote is to call it, "Natural Sex in Thailand".
Bangkok Banger
12-08-15, 17:29
Gents,
Its been a year since I've been in the LOS. I am only interested in bareback sex. Usually its pretty easy to obtain--but of course there are some girls who put out bareback sex that are hotter, more skilled, and in many cases, worth making a special effort to find! There are a couple of exceptional ladies who I've fucked bareback with CIP on several different trips, who I keep coming back to (when I can find them!) Even though I normally like some strange, too! So, I am asking if any of you dudes have any specific recommendations for girls who will fuck raw, either in BKK or Pattaya. (That is, girls' names and where to find them?) In return, I can give you info for a couple of hot bareback girls in a couple of the smaller bars at NEP and at Soi Cowboy, and if we establish private communications, I can send you pictures of them. I realize that the turnover is often high, and of course I can't guarantee that they will still be there, but these particular girls have been in those bars for quite a few years, so I think the chances of their still being there are good. So, please PM me if you want to trade info!
Gents,
Its been a year since I've been in the LOS. I am only interested in bareback sex. Usually its pretty easy to obtain--but of course there are some girls who put out bareback sex that are hotter, more skilled, and in many cases, worth making a special effort to find! There are a couple of exceptional ladies who I've fucked bareback with CIP on several different trips, who I keep coming back to (when I can find them!) Even though I normally like some strange, too! So, I am asking if any of you dudes have any specific recommendations for girls who will fuck raw, either in BKK or Pattaya. (That is, girls' names and where to find them?) In return, I can give you info for a couple of hot bareback girls in a couple of the smaller bars at NEP and at Soi Cowboy, and if we establish private communications, I can send you pictures of them. I realize that the turnover is often high, and of course I can't guarantee that they will still be there, but these particular girls have been in those bars for quite a few years, so I think the chances of their still being there are good. So, please PM me if you want to trade info!Thanks for the generous offer, but I have no interest in it even if the chance is a remote 0. 1% to get an STD. Of course, the majority of the BB franchise are at the bottom of the barrel who are desperate to make money any way they can.
By taking advantage of them is mentally sick and the same time putting yourself and others physically at risk. Do you know HIV can take about six months to show up in tests and all that time the infected person is a carrier. A health certificate should be taken with a grain of salt.
Cover up and enjoy.
Finnish Fucker
12-08-15, 20:02
Exact size is not too important for me. More than a handful and more than a mouthful. Beauty is not about size.
Your girl looks very good. Shape and beauty is far more important than size. I take girls in full range of cups size from A- to D+ if they look good. I avoid the sillycoconuts mostly and avoid the bad nose jobs. Certainly the shape and firmness of breasts are much more important than pure size. I dislike very saggy tits no matter how big they are. I personally don't find girls with small tits, A or Be cups, sexually appealing. I usually start to notice girls when they are bearing Ccups or more. Of course pretty face is always a pretty face but that is another story, this post is about tits.
I find nicely done silicons sexy on slim asian girls, a lot better than a flat chest.
One of my current favourite girls right now is a B or close to C which is enough for me. She has dark skin very tight curvy body and her looks remind me of Halle Berry due to darkish skin and the face and curves. One pic is the actual girl wearing blue.
Girl in blue looks ok but like Halle Berry? Dream on geezer, LOL.
Wanted to check out soi 33. Not for massage just have some beers in a bar, chat with other farangs or girls and maybe more. But all the pubs were empty, and I mean empty. I was in 5 or 6 bars and there was no single farang. In most of the bars only the cashier and no girls. What happened there? It was never very crowded but some years ago there there at least some people in the bars?Yes, it's dead. Tenderloin and The Office were very quiet when I was there a couple of weeks ago. Busiest bar seemed to be the small Aussie bar just before Tenderloins. Ocean is closed. Robin Hood and Dubliner just along Suk were busy. I didn't look in any of the remaining artist bars.
Gents,
Its been a year since I've been in the LOS. I am only interested in bareback sex. Usually its pretty easy to obtain--but of course there are some girls who put out bareback sex that are hotter, more skilled, and in many cases, worth making a special effort to find! There are a couple of exceptional ladies who I've fucked bareback with CIP on several different trips, who I keep coming back to (when I can find them!) Even though I normally like some strange, too! So, I am asking if any of you dudes have any specific recommendations for girls who will fuck raw, either in BKK or Pattaya. (That is, girls' names and where to find them?) In return, I can give you info for a couple of hot bareback girls in a couple of the smaller bars at NEP and at Soi Cowboy, and if we establish private communications, I can send you pictures of them. I realize that the turnover is often high, and of course I can't guarantee that they will still be there, but these particular girls have been in those bars for quite a few years, so I think the chances of their still being there are good. So, please PM me if you want to trade info!Seriously, with multi-drug resistant gonorrhea on the rise in LOS you should really rethink your position.
I actually spent several nights in Bangkok, as well as in the other major mongering destinations in Thailand. I thought I would share with the good fellows here what that very first day in Thailand was like, so here goes! Bangkok was sensory overload from the moment I stepped off the plane! But all in a good kind of way mind you. I think the hardest part of getting there was the ground traffic. I arrived on a Friday morning, and already it was just massive, massive, massive and never let up right into the wee hours of the morning! My flight got in around 7 am and already there were massive traffic jams everywhere. Took an hour to get to my hotel when it should have taken only around half that time.
Speaking of the hotel (Citadines 11), I was quite happy with it. It was located on Soi 11 not far from Sukhumvit, which is an outstanding location! It was an easy walk to the Nana station, but the great thing is that the hotel offered complimentary tuk tuk service not only to Nana Station, but also to the Sukhumvit MRT! I took advantage of that when I headed out for the soapies. It was also an easy walk down to the Nana Entertainment Plaza (NEP), which I made several times. It was warm outside, but not too bad to walk.
The food was all great too! I ate from both street vendors for cheap and at sit down restaurants. My favorite was a place called Chili Culture located on the end of Soi 11 farthest from Sukhumvit. There were plenty of places to eat along Soi 11, stores, bars, ATMs / exchange houses, clubs, etc. Was a definitely a good pick. Location, location, location! I was on the 8th floor or top of the hotel where there was a fitness room and a pool.
I did far, far, far more on the first day than I had planned. A lot more! I just wanted to be in the hustle and bustle and take advantage of being in Thailand! First, after "casing" up and down Soi 11, I decided to go check out Bamboo Massage for an early afternoon nut. Place was close and I found it really easily. Problem was there were only 6 girls on duty and all of them dogs man! Needless to say, I didn't partake and got the fuck out of there! They were like, "Come back!" LOL!
So instead, I decided to walk down to the NEP just to case the joint and the area. It was still early afternoon, so the go-go's weren't exactly going, but that was OK. I just wanted to check the area out. Sat and cooled off with a Singha (my favorite beer in Thailand turned out to be Chang). So then next, decided I couldn't fuck up and be like some other Thailand newbies and not get any pussy on the first day! So, decided to walk back to the Nana Station, and then take the BTS back up the other way to all the oilies. Was my first time on the Skytrain, and it was so easy I'm still laughing about that today. I found it easier to use than even some public transportation systems in my own country LOL!
So I get to Phrom Phong station, and I already know the main sois down there where most of the massage joints are clustered. I decided to walk up to the highest numbered soi and just start exploring and what do I see but Snow White! Went in and immediately saw a Thai girl I was interested in. She had what I thought was a cute face and a nice round butt for a Thai girl. Name was "Nana", and you can see her on the Snow White site. Yeah, it's photo shopped, but she still looked good to me.
The massage from Nana was just OK, but I didn't care because I was there more for the fucking than for the massage, and the fucking was PSE good! Nice and hard and rough with dirty talk. She sucked my dick bareback really good in the shower and on the bed, and I butt fucked her hard and deep in her Asian anus orifice too! Was the first time using Sagami condoms, and like folks said, they can be a bit hard to get on, but worth it once they are on. Thinnest condoms ever, and it's like you aren't wearing any protection at all! I busted twice during the session, including once in Nana's willing and waiting butt hole.
So after Snow White, I was going to catch the BTS back to my hotel and chill for a while before hitting the NEP at night, but before I did, I thought I would check out some of the other Sois in the area just to see what other establishments I could find and get my bearings down on that end. That's when I discovered the mother lode of massage joints on Soi 24! I found Mango and Orchard I think it was and a bunch of others, including Addict which, me being the "addict" that I am, couldn't resist with the girls in their unis and all.
So, I decided to stop in there and they had a bevy of lookers on display for the choosing! Mamasan say, "Girls very, very good with white skin and big boobs!" Hahahahahaha! I picked a cute little 24 year-old going by the name of "Monday" (you can see her on their website). She was very, very cute and sweet with white skin but little boobies LOL! I learned how the Thai girls are really into washing you well, which she did for me. And then she delivered what I would say was a very, very good massage. I needed it too since the flight over had been long and kind of uncomfortable. That's just the way it is when you're in economy seating no matter what airline you're flying.
I got a two-hour session with Monday and had a nice long body rub. Then Monday and I fucked and she was very good and really got into it. I grabbed her little narrow hips and was slamming her up and down on my rod cowgirl-style! Then into mish and more hard fucking and I "nutted" in her, again with a super thin Sagami on. And that was enough for me as I was only trying to cum once and had let the massage go extra long. I would say Addict is definitely worth a look if you're looking for an oily with a large selection of pretty girls. After my session there, I may have been finished at Addict, but day one was still going strong. I wasn't through! Hell no!
Caught the BTS back up to Nana Station and decided to go back to the NEP and have a beer and just chill. Started talking to this Swiss guy who was on holiday. Said he had spent a bunch of time in Cambodia, where it was so cheap it was ridiculous. Then this Thai girl started hitting on me and tried to pick me up in the bar. She was OK. Neither exceptionally pretty nor exceptionally unattractive. Told her I was just enjoying my brew. She came back two more times, but she was nice and not annoying about it all. So no worries. I politely declined to show any interest.
It was great to just sit there and take in the scene! Watching the chaos and hearing the noise and realizing that finally you are right there in the heart of it all after all of your planning and watching videos on YouTube. And now I'm in the thick of it! I spied what looked to be like a blonde white girl standing on the street corner selling her ass! It was hard to tell if she was white or not because sometimes from a distance Thai girls can look white until you get up on them. I watched this "pooying" who was standing there with a friend. Eventually, a farang picked her up and I saw them leave together. She was back in about an hour.
Decided that I would go check her out on another night to see if that really was some pretty white girl ass for sale on the streets of Bangkok, but for that night I wanted Thai and Thai only! I mean, who the fuck comes to Thailand looking specifically for white girls? If somebody wants only the white girls, then they should stay the hell in Europe! And what an outstanding decision my choice was! You see, I ended up fucking one of the most beautiful girls I have ever fucked in my entire life anywhere, and she was Thai! I had already been "casing the joint" and decided to stop in on this place that had the prettiest girls standing outside. I figured that would be a good predictor of what I would find on the inside, and it was!
There weren't as many girls to choose from as had been at Addict, but these go-go girls were even prettier! I think the name of the place was? Oh hell I forget what it was there were so many in there! But the girl was named Natalia (she told me her Thai name too but I won't put that here), and she was absolutely model quality beautiful! Said she was from Isaan, which is where one of the other girls I had been with was from too. Anyway, I chose her and we decided to go to a room upstairs, which was fine. That pooying's body, face, hair, eyelashes, titties, butt cheeks everything was spectacular! And she was a damn good fuck smacking and slurping her greedy lips on my raw dong!
We went into 69 and I ate that sweet, clean pussy out and munched on her clit driving Natalia nuts as I could tell she was enjoying it. She was so fine she deserved to have her arsehole licked, so I did that too! Natalia got excited and was like, "Fuck me, fuck me!" Again, there was a struggle to get the Sagami on, but also again it was totally worth it! Natalia said it was like going bareback! She rode me at varying speeds cowgirl, then I had her go into reverse cowgirl so I could see that bitching butt of hers! I knew I couldn't butt fuck her because she wasn't A-level, but at least I did get to lick that perfect Thai anus, and now I was slapping that ass while she rode me, which Natalia seemed to like.
Then we went into mish and I had my face against her gorgeous Thai face kissing her face and telling her all kinds of shit LOL! Like how gorgeous she was and she was the reason why I flew all the way to Thailand, and that she was the kind of woman that I fucked LOL! Told her that I loved her Thai pussy hahaha! And all the while she was moaning and groaning and rolling her fucking pretty eye balls into the back of her head to where I could only see the whites of her eyes. So eventually I had a pleasurable nut again! Like I said, Natalia was as beautiful a woman as comes from anywhere! I got a few pics, but she really didn't want to do them and accused me of wanting to put them on the net LOL! They really aren't good pics because she didn't want to reveal much and they in no way do her justice. Maybe I will post them. Maybe I won't.
After my session with Natalia, I was really starving and wanted to eat. I hadn't had anything since lunch and really wanted some food, so I went to check out Chili Culture on Soi 11 for the first time, and it was very, very good. I ate there several times during my stay in Bangkok. Came back to the room afterwards to rest up some, then went right back out again! I hit up Club Climax at the Ambassador Hotel that was right down the street. It was OK, but not really my scene as it was super, super crowded (by this time it was 1 am). You could barely move in there, so I left.
And by that time I was starting to get horny again, so I decided to walk back down to the NEP one last time to see if I could find the blonde "white pooying" standing on the street corner selling her ass. I figured that by then she would be gone, and she was. Oh well, maybe on another night. As I was walking down there, I saw that by then all of these black African tutes had hit the streets! They were every fucking where all up and down the lower part of Sukhumvit! So, if you're looking for some black ass in Thailand, then you can def get that late night in Bangkok too!
By now it was late. Really, really fucking late, and I was not following my own advice about getting adequate rest on a trip. But, that's OK because it was the first night of excitement in Thailand! I stopped in on a couple of more go-go's and eventually closing time came. I was hungry again, so stopped in on this place for some late night tacos LOL! By the time I got back to the hotel I was exhausted! From the long flight to Thailand to arriving in at 7 am in the morning and go, go, going until it was 2:40 am in the morning the next day before I finally went to bed!
Bangkok, Bangkok oriental city! It most definitely will make a hard man tumble! And stumble too if you've been drinking too much LOL. I say again Bangkok, Bangkok oriental city! And that mofo is cranking. 24/7 baby!
I have always found it amazing how a looker like Ging Gaew ends up a prostitute when she is every bit as attractive if not more than Kylie Jenner, who by virtue of her birthplace and name will make millions by simply acting like a prostitute.
Sorry for the sermonizing. However, on a positive note we have the opportunity to pay for and enjoy the beauty Ging Gaew possesses.I have not met Kylie Jenner of course, and only seen still pics of her. Looks very attractive in some pics and in others looks a bit weird / fake. I did not ever watch the reality show featuring her. I don't claim Ging Gaew looks better. Just slightly similar and quite cute. Ging's body has a few marks and shoulder scar from a past motorcycle accident but hardly notice these in dim lighting during sex play. In a photo marks become more obvious. See example below. I did not know at time of taking the pic that there would be these obvious marks.
I don't know why exactly, but fucking her is exquisite for the feeling, even if I was blindfolded. Not every pussy is equal in feeling. Maybe some are too big, some too small, and some just grip the cock perfectly. Her BBBJ is okay, not exceptional, but good enough. Then she merely has to enjoy herself a bit and go with the flow. I am very happy.
I believe many girls are doing this job for reasons of seemingly easy money and the cash comes straight away rather than waiting till the beginning of the month. Lack of education and qualifications for a better job contribute. 7 Eleven girls have long hours but earn very little indeed. A pretty waitress might get good tips but not guaranteed.
Once Ging takes her bra off, her earning potential goes up immediately, even though her face is already cute for me. She is virtually guaranteed to make a reasonable sum every time she turns up to work, which is not that often.
Another girl Bo, had large natural tits too, but made a lot less money. I guess her face was not as cute (but above average), waist to hips were a bit straightish, and her personality was not bubbly fun like Ging. Bo has now had a nose job and a baby, is flabby and the tits have deflated and gone south. Her bar earning potential is completely destroyed. Wasn't even a good fuck.
To Finnish Fucker,
I tried to get a rough measure of cup size last night using hand spans, but now checking a website I found my method was wrong. It is supposed to be done while girl is wearing a bra to squash the tits down and together. I did it without a bra so circumference around the tits was therefore way too big. Under tit measure was about 27 to 29 inches (rather small and waist must be very small) and around tits was 5 to 6 inches bigger with tits pushed together somewhat (8 inches with tits swinging completely freely), however I realise putting on a bra would reduce this measure, possibly significantly, by removing the gap.
I also asked the girl what the cup size was. She said she did not know because she typically wears a bra that is rather too small for her current size, and its not very well fitted at all. Spilling out a bit too much? I don't know.
Thanks for the generous offer, but I have no interest in it even if the chance is a remote 0. 1% to get an STD. Of course, the majority of the BB franchise are at the bottom of the barrel who are desperate to make money any way they can.
By taking advantage of them is mentally sick and the same time putting yourself and others physically at risk. Do you know HIV can take about six months to show up in tests and all that time the infected person is a carrier. A health certificate should be taken with a grain of salt.
Cover up and enjoy.Duniawala, your conjecture that "the majority of the BB franchise are at the bottom of the barrel who are desperate to make money any way they can" hasn't been my experience and observation at all. I have never had BBFS with a girl who didn't have plenty of other customer options in the bar every night of the week. Actually, most of my BBFS experiences in Thailand have been with regular, non bargirls who have regular, decent paying jobs and know full well where I live and why I choose to live there (in the heart of the P4 P entertainment areas in order to partake of the fun early and often).
I assume many if not most guys who have a wife or steady girlfriend back home, have not had a vasectomy and are mostly fine with wearing condoms rarely if ever ask a bargirl if she is willing to engage in BBFS with them. Consequently, anything resembling a controlled study on which girls will and which girls won't is impossible. But the anecdotal evidence suggests to me that BBFS is more likely to occur than not for the guys who do ask politely and discretely. And that would be with any girl working in a bar, a massage shop, or not involved in the bar scene at all.
It is probable that some of our impressions are skewed regarding how much BBFS is going on out there and with which girls in the business by the more vocal and judgmental voices on the subject being heard, heard loudest and with the most confidence (deserved or not) on these message boards. But then, if we were to draw a profile of a "typical" Thailand P4 P customer from the samples culled on these kinds of message boards, one might mistakenly assume almost all of them are slipping on condoms for every sexual encounter, most of which consists of rimming and A+ level anal sex service, and that they experience the first of at least three orgasms within a 90 minute time span before the lady gets soap on her hands in the shower. But that just cannot possibly be the case for the vast majority of punters out there.
And for many, "Cover up and enjoy" is an oxymoron (quote and insert the anticipated "moron" joke here). Many men have near zero sensation wearing a condom and would not be able to finish with one on if he were given several hours time and a gut full of Viagra to help him do it. So, for them, it is either go BB or don't engage in FS to completion at all.
I still maintain that the move a P4 P customer makes that is most detrimental to a bargirl's health is buying her a Lady Drink. I'm going to go out on a limb here and state flatly that doing more truly life-altering damage to the same ladies some of you gentlemen claim you are so concerned about than not wearing a condom for FS is in going along with the alcohol Lady Drink purchase program in the bars. I would wager that produces a much greater chance of long-term life altering damage for them than 0. 1%. Yet, I never read any of you same guys running to the defense of the girls' health (or our own) by strongly suggesting we not patronize bars that set quotas for Lady Drinks purchased and consumed by the ladies.
Walking into a bar, negotiating a BBFS experience with a bargirl and not buying her a single Lady Drink is likely quite a bit safer for her health in the long run than for the next two customers buying her two Lady Drinks each and taking her out for fully covered everything. Or buying her two Lady Drinks and not taking her out at all, for that matter.
Once Ging takes her bra off, her earning potential goes up immediately, even though her face is already cute for me. She is virtually guaranteed to make a reasonable sum every time she turns up to work, which is not that often.I actually prefer well done implants to large natural breasts and you pic of Ging illustrates why. She is already starting to sag a bit on the sides and in 5 years time those breasts will not look good. Gravity is a be*tch. Well done teardrop shaped implants look great for years and years.
Duniawala, your conjecture that "the majority of the BB franchise are at the bottom of the barrel who are desperate to make money any way they can" hasn't been my experience and observation at all. I have never had BBFS with a girl who didn't have plenty of other customer options in the bar every night of the week. Actually, most of my BBFS experiences in Thailand have been with regular, non bargirls who have regular, decent paying jobs and know full well where I live and why I choose to live there (in the heart of the P4 P entertainment areas in order to partake of the fun early and often).
I assume many if not most guys who have a wife or steady girlfriend back home, have not had a vasectomy and are mostly fine with wearing condoms rarely if ever ask a bargirl if she is willing to engage in BBFS with them. Consequently, anything resembling a controlled study on which girls will and which girls won't is impossible. But the anecdotal evidence suggests to me that BBFS is more likely to occur than not for the guys who do ask politely and discretely. And that would be with any girl working in a bar, a massage shop, or not involved in the bar scene at all.
It is probable that some of our impressions are skewed regarding how much BBFS is going on out there and with which girls in the business by the more vocal and judgmental voices on the subject being heard, heard loudest and with the most confidence (deserved or not) on these message boards. But then, if we were to draw a profile of a "typical" Thailand P4 P customer from the samples culled on these kinds of message boards, one might mistakenly assume almost all of them are slipping on condoms for every sexual encounter, most of which consists of rimming and A+ level anal sex service, and that they experience the first of at least three orgasms within a 90 minute time span before the lady gets soap on her hands in the shower. But that just cannot possibly be the case for the vast majority of punters out there.
And for many, "Cover up and enjoy" is an oxymoron (quote and insert the anticipated "moron" joke here). Many men have near zero sensation wearing a condom and would not be able to finish with one on if he were given several hours time and a gut full of Viagra to help him do it. So, for them, it is either go BB or don't engage in FS to completion at all.
I still maintain that the move a P4 P customer makes that is most detrimental to a bargirl's health is buying her a Lady Drink. I'm going to go out on a limb here and state flatly that doing more truly life-altering damage to the same ladies some of you gentlemen claim you are so concerned about than not wearing a condom for FS is in going along with the alcohol Lady Drink purchase program in the bars. I would wager that produces a much greater chance of long-term life altering damage for them than 0. 1%. Yet, I never read any of you same guys running to the defense of the girls' health (or our own) by strongly suggesting we not patronize bars that set quotas for Lady Drinks purchased and consumed by the ladies.
Walking into a bar, negotiating a BBFS experience with a bargirl and not buying her a single Lady Drink is likely quite a bit safer for her health in the long run than for the next two customers buying her two Lady Drinks each and taking her out for fully covered everything. Or buying her two Lady Drinks and not taking her out at all, for that matter.Seriously, covered sux. I bet if every single monger on the planet contributed $1000, we cud figure out this pesky STD problem, then everyone cud enjoy bare w / o worry.
*business idea*.
Seriously, covered sux. I bet if every single monger on the planet contributed $1000, we cud figure out this pesky STD problem, then everyone cud enjoy bare w / o worry.
*business idea*.If only it were that simple.
If only it were that simple.Every problem can be solved if you just spend a ton of money on it. And what problem could be more profitable to solve than bare sex.
Everybody loves it. Even the girls like it better due to less irritation.
All the guys advocating covered, why?! Because they enjoy it?! NO! Its because they're scared, and loser ass PLMs. And rightfully so, it is scary, but worth it.
Let's solve this problem for the benefit of society, and mongers the world round!
I'm just an average monger w moderate income, but I'd put $1000 of my own money towards it today!
*business idea*.
Donate it to prostate cancer research instead.
Every problem can be solved if you just spend a ton of money on it. And what problem could be more profitable to solve than bare sex.
Everybody loves it. Even the girls like it better due to less irritation.
All the guys advocating covered, why?! Because they enjoy it?! NO! Its because they're scared, and loser ass PLMs. And rightfully so, it is scary, but worth it.
Let's solve this problem for the benefit of society, and mongers the world round!
I'm just an average monger w moderate income, but I'd put $1000 of my own money towards it today!
*business idea*.
Walking into a bar, negotiating a BBFS experience with a bargirl and not buying her a single Lady Drink is likely quite a bit safer for her health in the long run than for the next two customers buying her two Lady Drinks each and taking her out for fully covered everything. Or buying her two Lady Drinks and not taking her out at all, for that matter.That's simply pure rubbish! The research unquestionably establishes that covered always beats bareback when it comes to protecting your health (not to mention avoiding pregnancy). You can have recreational sex time and time again with a condom and your chances of catching something are greatly reduced. Whereas, it only takes that one time bareback before you end up "fucked" in a way you don't want to be. And to suggest that BBFS is safer for the girl than if you buy her two drinks and don't bar fine her is even greater rubbish!
It may be more lucrative for her, but it's not safer since nothing would be safer than abstaining from sex altogether! What's lucrative and what's safe are two entirely different things, so please don't cross connect the two as the one has nothing to do with the other. When somebody makes arguments like yours, it proves that they aren't being objective at all and are simply pushing their own agenda. That said, I have no problem if somebody desires or seeks BBFS. I'm just saying we all need to be fair and balanced when discussing the risks. To suggest that BBFS is "safer" for the girl than to buy her drinks and not bar fine her is ludicrous! Nothing is safer for tute and monger alike than is abstinence.
Randy Murican
12-09-15, 13:02
Most recent study (Tufts U) looking at the cost to bring a new drug to market is 2. 6 Billion USD. So at $1000.00 a head that would take approximately 2,600,000 mongers.
Bangkok Banger
12-09-15, 15:49
If you want a 0. 1% chance or less, then better stay home, sir! Condoms do not even approach that, even with "Perfect" use! https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/what-is-the-best-method-of-birth-control/.
And I do not fuck bottom of the barrel or desperate girls. I attached a picture of one of the ones I'm talking about with the face mainly hidden to protect her identity.
Thanks for the generous offer, but I have no interest in it even if the chance is a remote 0. 1% to get an STD. Of course, the majority of the BB franchise are at the bottom of the barrel who are desperate to make money any way they can..
I have always found it amazing how a looker like Ging Gaew ends up a prostitute when she is every bit as attractive if not more than Kylie Jenner, who by virtue of her birthplace and name will make millions by simply acting like a prostitute.
Sorry for the sermonizing. However, on a positive note we have the opportunity to pay for and enjoy the beauty Ging Gaew possesses.In order to find the answer to this you have to ask the question, how are humans sexed? How has nature hardwired us? This is the answer I believe. We males are 20% oversexed, 20% undersexed and the rest vary in degree between the extremes. This from my observations over 50 years of watching the gender battles and idiosyncrasies.
Before I started international mongering I thought females had a different ratio, that females were designed to be undersexed. So I was quite surprised on my first trip to Pattaya to see hundreds of bars girls laughing and having fun selling drinks and their pussies. I was brought up in a culture where selling your body was dreadful occupation yet street after street these Thai women were having fun. They were not afraid of their profession and were defiant and enjoying the game.
So now I feel women have the same sexual needs as men 20% 20% and the in-between.
So Ralph to me if a woman is independent and has a strong sexual appetite she has a job she loves.
I think if the USA legalized prostitution there would be plenty of happy hookers.
My 02 cents, while nursing a horrible hangover by the pool in Medellin, Colombia.
If you want a 0. 1% chance or less, then better stay home, sir! Condoms do not even approach that, even with "Perfect" use! https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/what-is-the-best-method-of-birth-control/.
And I do not fuck bottom of the barrel or desperate girls. I attached a picture of one of the ones I'm talking about with the face mainly hidden to protect her identity.No sane woman would put herself at risk fucking a stranger with no condoms and getting infected. 30-40 years ago, maybe. So I stand by my statement. Only the desperate and those with nothing to lose will willingly do BB. And your posted pic doesn't prove anything. Even Hi-SO girls can be insane or desperate (not that that pic is of a Hi_so girl.).
Nd EihTooms, your analogy to the Lady drinks is hilarious at best.
Member #4387
12-10-15, 01:53
I am a heavy BB'er on a global fuck scale. And just for the record not to have sex at all would be safest and covering up would be the second safest. In a waist logic BB sex is the third safest and by far far a lot more unsafe than the two other methods. But there are ways to minimize the risk as I am normaly so hooked on BB sex that a raincoat is equal to me standing down. I don't say this works for everyone but has worked for me year after year (for the BKk soon 9 years) without getting sick in anyway. Ofcourse I have to admit that pure luck would play a role here as well but my methods at least works for me to avoid the sick girls.
I screen girls pretty good and mostly don't hunt for the bottom feeder girls, I never, knowingly, hook with BG's or for the latter years FL's for that matter (with a few few minor exceptions that is but still reduce the risk for me getting some nasty shit) and I scren also the twat itself for visible signs and / or odd smells (also a risk reducing measure). I have thrown girls out of my apts with mentioned oddities (not many but a handful over the years).
I mostly do non P4 P girls. Girls with normal jobs, girls with BF's (both western or domestic) which has a lot to loose if they caught out with anything. In these cases we both have a mutual interest in beeing healthy as I am myself in a relationship back home and I would be finished if I caught something. Is it difficult to get them into the BB game, hell, no. Mostly a raincoat isn't even mentioned (even if I keep a odd few if A+ play takes place, also a risk reducing measure). So when you hunt girls not having a high ratio of sexpartners the risk is very reduced. I am snipped (that's relatively newly had but still I made it with only one "hidden" Makati baby, which will be fine by the way as I take very good care of this small baby girl). Having one public baby with GF back home made me decide to have a hidden / secret snipping as two babies is enough. Some of the girls with their regular jobs also have to stay healthy as a few of them have in Thai standards well paid jobs incl obligatory healthcheckups (ie airlinecrews, models). I could be wrong ofcourse but I strongly believe most of the girls in mentioned category only fuck me and their spouse / BF.
If I am at a mongerspree and indulge myself into a heavy girlie scheduel I try not to mix these two worlds into meeting eachother without me beeing able to do some checkups inbetween. I do checkups maybe 10 to 15 times a year. I am well aware of the risks but it is still a risk I am willing to take as it is a calculated one and comdoms sucks big time (yeah I know of and have tried the ultra thin ones as well, japaneese made, same shit). The latter years (10 or so), the worst I have gotten isn't something Canesten wouldn't fix. I had the chlamydia back in 1991 or 92 which I got from a fellow norwegian UNI student. Happy poonin.
FunHobby69
12-10-15, 04:53
First morning after first night of first visit Bangkok on first international hobby tour (Hong Kong, Chiang Mai, Phnom Penh, siem reap) completed. Hit Soi 4 after your around walk around the two BJ joints next to each other with one of them a name that gets censored here. Starts with L. Both had sufficient talent to satisfy a splash and dash. So started Soi 4 bars. Yuck, 90 percent simply not doable. Fat and old. Finally found light skin, spinner from north? Who spoke very little English. Almost none. 2 lady drinks. Learned they have to sell 130 drinks month or fined or something like that. Her friend helped with translation. Bar fine 500. No discussion price long term. She said uncomfortable and that we go have fun first and and see about latter. So basically 500 baht gamble with no guarantee on back side. But I looked at situation as interesting as maybe more than just standard operation. So we hit Nana complex. She was really into the girls. After couple clubs and couple beer joints back to room. Price never mentioned. Very very shy, towel covered until under covers and then off. Very passive and I thought shit starfish. But as soon as I started dining at the why, she came alive. Totally fucked my face for at least 15 minutes. Squirming, back arching, ass up in air, type stuff. Started grabbing my dick so switched to 69. About 5 minutes and then she stopped and motioned me lay on my back. She spread my legs and did a total deep dive with her tongue into my ass. Worked it long time before moving up and attempting to swallow my balls. Then onto BBBJCIM for finish. I was drunk and tired and really didn't want effort of fucking. Woke me up in middle of night for seconds but I was too tired. Same in morning. Left her 2500 baht by her purse. She thanked me and seemed happy. Know 3000 baht for BJ with anal licking, but felt worth it as I enjoyed entire evening with beautiful girl bar on my arm bar hopping. Sort of date night. Did I overpay?
FH69
That's simply pure rubbish! The research unquestionably establishes that covered always beats bareback when it comes to protecting your health (not to mention avoiding pregnancy). You can have recreational sex time and time again with a condom and your chances of catching something are greatly reduced. Whereas, it only takes that one time bareback before you end up "fucked" in a way you don't want to be. And to suggest that BBFS is safer for the girl than if you buy her two drinks and don't bar fine her is even greater rubbish!
It may be more lucrative for her, but it's not safer since nothing would be safer than abstaining from sex altogether! What's lucrative and what's safe are two entirely different things, so please don't cross connect the two as the one has nothing to do with the other. When somebody makes arguments like yours, it proves that they aren't being objective at all and are simply pushing their own agenda. That said, I have no problem if somebody desires or seeks BBFS. I'm just saying we all need to be fair and balanced when discussing the risks. To suggest that BBFS is "safer" for the girl than to buy her drinks and not bar fine her is ludicrous! Nothing is safer for tute and monger alike than is abstinence.My whole life I have seen and know quite up close and personal the ravages of alcoholism among more people than I can count. Meet them all the time. And so do you.
I suppose when Duniawala encounters it as often as I know the rest of us do, he thinks it is only worthy of a good laugh and nothing to be taken very seriously.
By dramatic contrast, a team of research journalists working on it day and night would be hard pressed to locate a single heterosexual male customer of a Thai bargirl for whom it can truly be said he had to have contracted HIV or any other life-altering ailment from engaging in BB vaginal or oral sex and no other way. I have never seen one identified and profiled in the media. I have never met one. I have never met someone who knows one. And neither have you. And in the case of HIV, this is more than three decades after first hearing that an explosive worldwide (and especially in Thailand!) heterosexual HIV epidemic was right around the corner.
I didn't argue that going BB was safer than wearing a condom, safer than abstinence, or that it was better for a bargirl's finances for her to do so and neither has anyone else that I can see on this thread. So I have no idea where your rant about that came from, but I am ok with you fabricating an opportunity to let it fly anyway. Enjoy.
No sane woman would put herself at risk fucking a stranger with no condoms and getting infected. 30-40 years ago, maybe. So I stand by my statement. Only the desperate and those with nothing to lose will willingly do BB. And your posted pic doesn't prove anything. Even Hi-SO girls can be insane or desperate (not that that pic is of a Hi_so girl.).
Nd EihTooms, your analogy to the Lady drinks is hilarious at best.Let me get this straight. No sane woman would ever fuck a stranger without a condom? Is that what you're trying to say?
That's completely ridiculous.
When you think about it, you're effectively saying, only insane women ever have sex without a condom, with the exception of women who are never separated from their one male partner.
There's no guarantee that the devoted husband isn't going to stray, no sure-fire way to ensure the boyfriend's fidelity. Any time any woman has BB sex with any man, whether her husband of 40 years, or a stranger she just met, she's taking a risk, but that's not a sign of insanity.
For the record, I use condoms and I think mongering BB is an unnecessary risk, but what others do is ultimately their business.
Wolvenvacht
12-10-15, 08:44
By dramatic contrast, a team of research journalists working on it day and night would be hard pressed to locate a single heterosexual male customer of a Thai bargirl for whom it can truly be said he had to have contracted HIV or any other life-altering ailment from engaging in BB vaginal or oral sex and no other way. I have never seen one identified and profiled in the media. I have never met one. I have never met someone who knows one. And neither have you. And in the case of HIV, this is more than three decades after first hearing that an explosive worldwide (and especially in Thailand!) heterosexual HIV epidemic was right around the corner.
So all the AIDS or HIV positive people must be homosexuals or drug-users?
See what the WHO says about it:
* HIV continues to be a major global public health issue, having claimed more than 34 million lives so far. In 2014,1. 2 (980 0001.6 million) million people died from HIV-related causes globally.
There were approximately 36.9 (34.341. 4) million people living with HIV at the end of 2014 with 2. 0 (1. 92.2) million people becoming newly infected with HIV in 2014 globally.
Sub-Saharan Africa is the most affected region, with 25.8 (24.028. 7) million people living with HIV in 2014. Also sub-Saharan Africa accounts for almost 70% of the global total of new HIV infections.
* It is estimated that currently only 53% of people with HIV know their status.
* Between 2000 and 2015, new HIV infections have fallen by 35%, AIDS-related deaths have fallen by 24% . .).
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs360/en/
The fact that AIDS / HIV in Thailand is (relatively) low is very much due to a strong campaign (in the past) in favor of condom use. It seems that for financial reasons this campaign is not well maintained now in Thailand, because the majority of the HIV / AIDS money already goes to medical costs for people with AIDS and HIV. That is a pity and a short-sighted policy as relenting on the "use a condom" campaign will only cause a rise in infections in the coming years.
So please, don't spread the false rumour that there is no such thing as heterosexual transmission of HIV! The risk may be low, but still it caught milions of people.
Could we please, please, please turn this thread back to what it's supposed to be about? And that would be mongering in Bangkok! Future posts about condoms versus no condoms ought to be made in the "Safe Sex" thread. There's also a thread devoted to discussion of "AIDS". Let's not let one person's question about BBFS in Thailand hijack the entire thread and take it off course. Please! And the next time somebody brings that up, let's immediately direct them to the "Safe Sex" thread so that this or other threads don't get swallowed up in that controversial subject and taken off course.
If you want a 0. 1% chance or less, then better stay home, sir! Condoms do not even approach that, even with "Perfect" use! https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/what-is-the-best-method-of-birth-control/.
And I do not fuck bottom of the barrel or desperate girls. I attached a picture of one of the ones I'm talking about with the face mainly hidden to protect her identity.I am not sure what the pic is supposed to prove. We can't see how pretty she is we would have to take your word for it. Looks like a silicone job with a bit of sag?
I know a Thai hooker who is HIV. She has probably had mainly Thai customers for many years. I don't know if she still does bare back. She was very beautiful when I first met her over 20 years ago. I have never fucked her as was doing her close friend 20 years ago BB.
Girls that are not hookers can have diseases just as easily as hookers and they tend not to get any checkups.
BB blowjob is not foolproof either. I have caught Chlamydia twice in 20 years. One girl was probably too low class type. LOL Maybe both. Chlamydia can be picked up as easily as just putting fingers in the pussy and then touching yourself. So yes condoms don't cover all risks unless having CBJ and condom on fingers.
If any girl ofers me bareback straight off, then I must assume she does it with everyone and therefore no thanks. I think both partners should see each others test results first to minimise the risk however tests for all types of STDs are expensive and so not that practical to do regularly. Last time I tested I got a positive for past Herpes Simplex. I had not previously run this test. Seems I need to test again, as that could be either past mouth cold sore infection or genital variety. Test did not distinguish between the two. I am certainly not aware of having any genital variety so cold sore is the most probable. A very large percentage of the population has had one of these Herpes Simplex at some time. Regular mongers probably even more since kissing a huge number if girls on both lips and pussy. Seems I do not get any reoccurence of the Herpes, therefore I don't know which if the two subtypes it was. Next time will find out out of curiosity. If its just cold sores then I can feel less vigilent I guess about checking dick and balls for anything unusual which could be just a pimple.
Short video of Nana plaza at day and at night.
https://youtu.be/_sfKT0B6wsw
Short video of Nana plaza at day and at night.
https://youtu.be/_sfKT0B6wswIt's much more lively than that.
It's a pity it can't show the people and the atmosphere so don't really get much idea what the place is like. People need to do a walking tour of it for themselves.
It's much more lively than that.
It's a pity it can't show the people and the atmosphere so don't really get much idea what the place is like. People need to do a walking tour of it for themselves.It was not my intention to suggest Nana plaza is empty. Shots taken during day time so most bars still closed. In the evening most bars open with lots of girls and nice atmosphere! Always a good night out at the plaza.
Tuesday (or was it Monday), I was about to head into Bacarra for a look to see if any talent at all, not highly modified. The doorman motioned me to buy a drink at the outside bar before entering. WTF? I never struck that before.
I was not sure what it indicated. Was it too full inside or too empty? Was the girl line up particularly down today or what? Perhaps there were no seats available inside so a scam to make you buy a wasted drink. No thanks. Maybe I would have been a waste of space (in the wrong bar).
Moved on to CH, which was packed (ground floor) on a day when I was expecting it to be quiet. Still managed to find a seat though. I buy more drinks than average customer and don't try to sit on one all night. My special waitress gets a drink or two as well.
Wolvenvacht
12-12-15, 10:11
Tuesday (or was it Monday), I was about to head into Bacarra for a look to see if any talent at all, not highly modified. The doorman motioned me to buy a drink at the outside bar before entering. WTF? I never struck that before.
I experienced the same thing early November for the first time. Then I thought it was because I was visiting with my GF in tow (she wanted to see the places I hang out when she is not around) and the doorman estimated I would not barfine anyone so he better extort us a few drinks to be on the safe side.
Now it rather seems that this is going to be a general policy. Well, I cannot really be bothered. Bacarra never was my top place to go to anyhow. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
Tuesday (or was it Monday), I was about to head into Bacarra for a look to see if any talent at all, not highly modified. The doorman motioned me to buy a drink at the outside bar before entering. WTF? I never struck that before.
I was not sure what it indicated. Was it too full inside or too empty? Was the girl line up particularly down today or what? Perhaps there were no seats available inside so a scam to make you buy a wasted drink. No thanks. Maybe I would have been a waste of space (in the wrong bar).
Moved on to CH, which was packed (ground floor) on a day when I was expecting it to be quiet. Still managed to find a seat though. I buy more drinks than average customer and don't try to sit on one all night. My special waitress gets a drink or two as well.See my post on this in the lounge / chat thread. Now maybe some folks will get an idea of what it's like to be an Indian (or be treated like one) where you have to put up with this all the time and / or be denied admission all together. See you guys didn't like it too much and were put off huh? So, like I said, imagine having to deal with this kind of thing all the time at multiple clubs! No admission (if at all) until you pay some amount of money up front. It would take some of the fun out of mongering don't you think?
So all the AIDS or HIV positive people must be homosexuals or drug-users?
See what the WHO says about it:
* HIV continues to be a major global public health issue, having claimed more than 34 million lives so far. In 2014,1. 2 (980 0001.6 million) million people died from HIV-related causes globally.
There were approximately 36.9 (34.341. 4) million people living with HIV at the end of 2014 with 2. 0 (1. 92.2) million people becoming newly infected with HIV in 2014 globally.
Sub-Saharan Africa is the most affected region, with 25.8 (24.028. 7) million people living with HIV in 2014. Also sub-Saharan Africa accounts for almost 70% of the global total of new HIV infections.
* It is estimated that currently only 53% of people with HIV know their status.
* Between 2000 and 2015, new HIV infections have fallen by 35%, AIDS-related deaths have fallen by 24% . .).
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs360/en/
The fact that AIDS / HIV in Thailand is (relatively) low is very much due to a strong campaign (in the past) in favor of condom use. It seems that for financial reasons this campaign is not well maintained now in Thailand, because the majority of the HIV / AIDS money already goes to medical costs for people with AIDS and HIV. That is a pity and a short-sighted policy as relenting on the "use a condom" campaign will only cause a rise in infections in the coming years.
So please, don't spread the false rumour that there is no such thing as heterosexual transmission of HIV! The risk may be low, but still it caught milions of people.There is nothing in your quotes from WHO that refutes what I posted about it. Not one iota of it. I don't even see an ordinary and pertinent distinction between male-to-female and female-to-male transmission in those stats.
1. A woman contracting HIV vaginally from a male partner who himself contracted it via receptive anal sex, needle sharing or a tainted blood transfusion would be considered "heterosexual" transmission according to those quotes and stats as though it were no less difficult to contract it that way as a man contracting it vaginally or orally from a previously infected female. Which is utter nonsense according to every other more detailed statistical study and seems to me to be an intentional skewing of the facts (or, rather, ignoring them) and the overwhelming empirical evidence at hand for more than 30 years in order to fear monger.
2. Heterosexual transmission in Sub-Saharan Africa involves co-factors that are virtually non-existent in any other cultures (bizarre blood letting marital rituals, purposeful extreme drying of the vagina in order to "prove" the female is not sex crazed and therefore can be left unattended among other men, etc.).
3. AIDS / HIV transmission, especially heterosexual transmission, is also low in the Philippines without a single month of an effective pro-condom campaign over the past 35+ years.
So, please don't spread the false rumor that heterosexual HIV transmission, particularly from female-to-male via vaginal or oral sex, is rampant or an epidemic in Thailand. It would only serve as an unwarranted detriment to the thriving P4 P industry on which so many young Thai women depend to support their families.
So, please don't spread the false rumor that heterosexual HIV transmission, particularly from female-to-male via vaginal or oral sex, is rampant or an epidemic in Thailand. It would only serve as an unwarranted detriment to the thriving P4 P industry on which so many young Thai women depend to support their families.EihTooms, Wolvenvacht and others. Will you please move your boring discusion to the proper thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-in-Thailand
See my post on this in the lounge / chat thread. Now maybe some folks will get an idea of what it's like to be an Indian (or be treated like one) where you have to put up with this all the time and / or be denied admission all together. See you guys didn't like it too much and were put off huh? So, like I said, imagine having to deal with this kind of thing all the time at multiple clubs! No admission (if at all) until you pay some amount of money up front. It would take some of the fun out of mongering don't you think?Yes, its all too easy for me, I just move on to my regular clubs since I don't really like Baccara anyway. However I can understand a little bit. If it happened to me in every bar, sure I would buy the upfront drink, if reasonably sure the bar was worth visiting.
It's a pity that Indian people have become tarnished with a bad image of not wanting to pay for more than a water to sit on for a very long time, and sometimes having powerful body odours. Clearly the stereotyping is annoying to those who are better and will not be a "waste of space" in the bar. Unfortunately the bars have learned from bad experiences too many times.
I hear stories (but from reliable source) of Indians coming into a Thai restaurant and ordering a plate of plain steamed rice and asking for a cup of water (for free). Then getting the rice, they ask for some of the satay sauce used for satay sticks to put on it, to make some flavour. Clearly the objective is to eat for an absolutely miniscule price. The staff hold these types in great contempt obviously, wasting space, taking up seats. Doesn't matter if the place has plenty of seats left over but sometimes not.
I don't know where the correct answer lies, however if an Indian or similar guys comes very well dressed, and acting classy, I don't think bars should be concerned, until it proves that they don't want to buy drinks, and then could be asked to leave.
I know there are Farangs that stink (apocrine gland bacteria) and are very stingy about buying drinks as well, it just seems that they are a lower percentage.
I would like to see all drunks excluded. It's drunks that cause the most problems in my opinion. I don't care what country they come from. I am really only interested in interacting with thai girls inside, certainly interactions with drunks are very unwanted. One drunk recently tried to grab my glasses out of my top pocket. Who knows what he was trying to do for fun. Drunks also crash into people regularly sometimes causing injury.
While I have Indian friends (and Japanese and Kenyan and almost every variation), some Thai girls have told me straight out they they don't like Indians. I don't know why. They seem to be prejudiced, so not evaluating each individual on his own merits.
I am prejudiced in that I don't want to fuck ladyboys, however met a couple nice to talk to today. I like one girl in Crazy House called Naen who looks rather like an Indian girl to me. However perhaps she does not look right to real Indian people.
Tuesday (or was it Monday), I was about to head into Bacarra for a look to see if any talent at all, not highly modified. The doorman motioned me to buy a drink at the outside bar before entering. WTF? I never struck that before.
I was not sure what it indicated. Was it too full inside or too empty? Was the girl line up particularly down today or what? Perhaps there were no seats available inside so a scam to make you buy a wasted drink. No thanks. Maybe I would have been a waste of space (in the wrong bar).
Moved on to CH, which was packed (ground floor) on a day when I was expecting it to be quiet. Still managed to find a seat though. I buy more drinks than average customer and don't try to sit on one all night. My special waitress gets a drink or two as well.Same thing happened to me at Bacarra the last time I was in Bangkok (couple months ago). That was the first time. I didn't know if it was some new policy, so I went a head and bought my drink before entering. It did rub me the wrong way a bit and set a weird vibe. After spending a few minutes in the club I decided to leave and head to Suzy Wong. Usually I would have been more inclined to sit back, relax, and enjoy a few girls (much more than one entry drink). Whatever.
Banana Boi
12-13-15, 03:36
I noticed the Japanese didn't have to line up but the farang did. I can see it rubbing people the wrong way but the bottom line for me is the girls inside and imo they are fantastic at Bacarra. I won't ban a club for this door policy just like I don't ban Goldentime in Germany for not letting in non-whites, except Asians.
Was it just the nights I went but it felt like 90% of the customers in Bacarra were Japanese?
Blanquiceleste
12-13-15, 03:59
While I have Indian friends (and Japanese and Kenyan and almost every variation), some Thai girls have told me straight out they they don't like Indians. I don't know why. They seem to be prejudiced, so not evaluating each individual on his own merits.
It may be a prejudice but all these girls talk to each other about their customers and the general word on the street must not be too good. I have myself heard a couple of stories from a few girls I have been out with.
On one occasion I had met this girl who was in Pattaya for just 2 weeks when I met her. We went to a restaurant for dinner where the girl told me that her first BF from the previous week was an Indian man who also took her to a restaurant, ordered food for himself and fed his face without even asking the lady for a glass of water.
On another occasion one girl told me about 2 Indian men wanting to share her in the hotel room. Since it was a slow night she agreed (I wonder why? When they reached the hotel room there was 1 more guy waiting. So after getting literally gang-raped they gave her 200 B short of the agreed price and told her to leave.
Third story goes like this. A group of 4 Indians at a bar caused such an unruly scene that nearly all the other patrons walked out. I was among those walking out. I can imagine the bar must have suffered losses for the night.
Its these kind of stories that go around and create a bad name for the whole community. May not be true for all Indians, but when you hear one story more often it tends to become the general accepted truth. Sad but true.
Choice of customers is not discrimination. Reputations of groups have been well earned and rated.
I noticed the Japanese didn't have to line up but the farang did. I can see it rubbing people the wrong way but the bottom line for me is the girls inside and imo they are fantastic at Bacarra. I won't ban a club for this door policy just like I don't ban Goldentime in Germany for not letting in non-whites, except Asians.
Was it just the nights I went but it felt like 90% of the customers in Bacarra were Japanese?Would be correct that majority of customers are Japanese or Korean. A few hot girls but mostly too plastic, many so highly modified by operations that they look like ladyboys or aliens to me. Is that what "fantastic" means? Comparing with ladyboys maybe too kind. The ladyboys tend to be prettier. LOL Thai girls with ugly nose jobs are a dime a dozen and can be found almost everywhere these days, but I like places with a high proportion of naturals. Seems that Asians are much more accepting of the highly modified looks, and call girls out for a drink that are the very most ugly to my taste. On other hand Crazy House is much more to my taste but has a lot of Asian customers as well, probably dominating the Farangs.
Recent visit to Sharks suggested to me that it has gone downhill badly and well past its heyday. Baccara as busy as ever, in fact too crowded. Perhaps there are some nice girls but stage is too crowded to be able to really see them well.
James Dean 2
12-13-15, 08:37
Choice of customers is not discrimination. Reputations of groups have been well earned and rated.You are right. That is not discrimination, its racism! Every group has its share of assholes. Some groups more than others under certain circumstances but that does not make the proposed the ban on Muslims to US also a palatable idea? Hate in the business of 'love' is something we can all live without.
Here are some personal reviews after visiting go-go's in Bangkok the last 4 days;.
Soi Cowboy; visited Shark, Suzie Wong, Baccara, Long Gun and Tilac. Business seemed to be quite good. Lot's of people around the street and in the bars. Baccara busy as always. Hard to see the talent due to overcrowded stage. Shark is always good in my opinion. Can not really agree that the quality has deteriorated as some suggest on the forum. I go here regularly and it is still lot's of talent to be found. Also Tilac was full on Friday night, much like expected. But the ladies here are quite old or have Coyote contracts. This bar has a fantastic layout and light setting but really disappoint on the quality of girls. Long Gun is a long time favorite due to the shows and very genuine ambience. Some really hot girls there! Suzie Wong still the most naughty bar with lesbian show, naked girls etc. Not much talent really, but if you want to see some pussy licking up-front this is the place to be.
Nana Plaza: Surprised to see less people in Rainbow 4. This used to be packed with the most beautiful girls, but was quite empty on a Wednesday night when I visited. Mandarin was a positive surprise. Some good talent. Bangkok Bunnies very busy. Rainbow 1 has lots of nice girls but have the most annoying pushy waitresses in Bangkok. Can someone advise them to relax? The small quirky bar Sexy Night was a big surprise. Many very hot girls there now! On earlier visits I go there to enjoy the music and had a hard time dealing with the ugly girls on stage. This has now improved a lot. This bar is long time running and easy to overlook but with the new lineup it makes it a favorite. In general; it seems Nana Plaza bars suffer more than Soi Cowboy bars right now, probably because the renting cost is much higher in Nana.
On a side note; After mongering in Bangkok for several years I sometimes try to challenge the girls about their skills in bed. I go ask questions like; what can you do in bed? Are you any good in bed etc. ? Most really do not understand the question. They will just look at you with a strange expression and say "Yes I boom-boom" or something like that. So. In my opinion. To try to interview them with the intent of finding out more about their behavior or skill in the bed (or elsewhere.) is futile. The only way to find out is to try it out. I have had many surprises. Both good and bad. Experienced ladies that show some naughty side during "interview" tend to be the best performers in bed, but this is far from a guarantee.
IAmRamesh86
12-13-15, 09:14
I just got back from Bkk yes Indians creates problem everywhere I have seen one Indian guy fighting with a lady near Nana bts and slapped her another other guy in JJ market fighting with a shopkeeper these days Indians are creating a lot problems in Thailand tickets are cheap so everyone just comes to Thailand!! You cannot blame Thai people for hating us we are not taught to respect a women! I'm so ashamed of being an Indian!
It may be a prejudice but all these girls talk to each other about their customers and the general word on the street must not be too good. I have myself heard a couple of stories from a few girls I have been out with.
On one occasion I had met this girl who was in Pattaya for just 2 weeks when I met her. We went to a restaurant for dinner where the girl told me that her first BF from the previous week was an Indian man who also took her to a restaurant, ordered food for himself and fed his face without even asking the lady for a glass of water.
On another occasion one girl told me about 2 Indian men wanting to share her in the hotel room. Since it was a slow night she agreed (I wonder why? When they reached the hotel room there was 1 more guy waiting. So after getting literally gang-raped they gave her 200 B short of the agreed price and told her to leave.
Third story goes like this. A group of 4 Indians at a bar caused such an unruly scene that nearly all the other patrons walked out. I was among those walking out. I can imagine the bar must have suffered losses for the night.
Its these kind of stories that go around and create a bad name for the whole community. May not be true for all Indians, but when you hear one story more often it tends to become the general accepted truth. Sad but true.
Blanquiceleste
12-13-15, 09:34
Would be correct that majority of customers are Japanese or Korean. If the revered members on this Thailand page think they have problems with entry into bars and discrimination based on race you ought to take a look at the Angeles thread. Its worrisome that girls are refusing to barfine altogether and just happy pushing drinks around.
I just got back from Bkk yes Indians creates problem everywhere I have seen one Indian guy fighting with a lady near Nana bts and slapped her another other guy in JJ market fighting with a shopkeeper these days Indians are creating a lot problems in Thailand tickets are cheap so everyone just comes to Thailand!! You cannot blame Thai people for hating us we are not taught to respect a women! I'm so ashamed of being an Indian!A good looking blonde I used to work with, went on holiday to India. She complained on return that was hard to avoid being molested by Indian men who thought they had the right to touch or pinch her ass. Known to happen in arab countries too. So its simply a case of Indians travel to other countries and must adjust to standards of behavior elsewhere. Indians living in my country seem very different. The press certainly highlights cases of Indian women being badly mistreated too, making [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)/murders appear all too normal. I am sure there are plenty of other countries where this goes on too, and where women are 2nd class citizens. In Thailand we are expected to treat women with respect, and that includes hookers as well. I don't grope girls unless they have already groped me giving like a go ahead signal, or they take my hand and put it somewhere. There are places where touching her tits is standard. There is a slightly different standard for ladyboys, who are so proud of their tits, they are usually eager to display them and have them touched. LOL.
My advice to Indians. Try not to match the stereo type of your brothers from India. Try to look and act like someone who has lived in America for a long time. I believe giving the right impression can help a lot. Thai girls like some Indians just fine, it seems.
If the revered members on this Thailand page think they have problems with entry into bars and discrimination based on race you ought to take a look at the Angeles thread. Its worrisome that girls are refusing to barfine altogether and just happy pushing drinks around.Not sure I understand your point. Some girls want to entertain for a living but not to fuck. I have met bar girls who don't want to go for sex. Some do not see themselves as hookers. Was chatting to an Insurance Saleswoman with exceptionally good English (not American style) at a bar last night (same bar contained hookers and one Ladyboy). Did not even ask her if she wanted to fuck. I was too tired after a previous session anyway.
One portable bar girl said to me last night, that if she really likes the guy, she will go for free, but I think she was joking. However I could see that some handsome young dudes got her all excited.
Or is there supposed to be a discrimination relevance here? I have met girls who only want to fuck very small dick and very quick quick so mostly only take East Asian types. I can't really complain as I like to fuck long time, not 5 minutes.
You are right. That is not discrimination, its racism! Every group has its share of assholes. Some groups more than others under certain circumstances but that does not make the proposed the ban on Muslims to US also a palatable idea? Hate in the business of 'love' is something we can all live without.Everyone has the right to have discriminating taste in who they fuck. It is not racism. I hate to inform you but this is not the business of "love", merely sex.
My advice to Indians. Try not to match the stereo type of your brothers from India. Try to look and act like someone who has lived in America for a long time. I believe giving the right impression can help a lot. Thai girls like some Indians just fine, it seems.This advice could be given to so many folks from around the globe although I would suggest a modification. Try not to match the stereotype of the worst examples of your countrymen and be a little bit aware of the local surroundings and culture. The benefits are immense, to everyone.
And just in case there is an Indian who feels that his fellow countrymen have been singled out, lets not leave out those from other countries whose cultural insensitivity really annoys the locals -the British / English guys who think it is fine to get wildly drunk and complain that not everyone gets the joke, the Americans (pretending to be Canadian) who don't get it that not everyone jumps to their grunt, the Western ladies who complain bitterly about too much male attention in Africa or some Asian countries when they are going around in very revealing clothes and in what the locals see as being dressed as a pro, the Nigerians who think it is ok to scam everyone etc etc. And don't get me started on the Outer Hebridians!
Some American
12-13-15, 16:17
I can't tell you how many times I've seen and American or a Brit or an Aussie or a German or someone else berate a Thai girl or shopkeeper or someone with a small street stall. It's really embarrassing. You wouldn't go into someone's home in your own country and act like that! We are here as guests and it is truly rude not to be grateful. I find it very difficult to believe that dancing half naked in a bar, going home with anyone, working in a massage parlor, selling wares on the street, any of it would be a choice of most of these people if it were not a matter of survival. The least we can do as guests is show them a little respect in their own home country. Rant over.
Blanquiceleste
12-13-15, 16:53
Not sure I understand your point. Some girls want to entertain for a living but not to fuck. I have met bar girls who don't want to go for sex. Some do not see themselves as hookers. Was chatting to an Insurance Saleswoman with exceptionally good English (not American style) at a bar last night (same bar contained hookers and one Ladyboy). Did not even ask her if she wanted to fuck. I was too tired after a previous session anyway.
One portable bar girl said to me last night, that if she really likes the guy, she will go for free, but I think she was joking. However I could see that some handsome young dudes got her all excited.
Or is there supposed to be a discrimination relevance here? I have met girls who only want to fuck very small dick and very quick quick so mostly only take East Asian types. I can't really complain as I like to fuck long time, not 5 minutes.The point was part humor and part anguish. I completely understand the point about not all girl wanting to fuck a stranger off the street. There is some relevance to discrimination. Someone else observed that East Asians were not stopped to buy the first drink while you had to. I have had to buy the first drink too and I have reported this earlier in a post from July. I was referring to a raging discussion in the Angeles forum about girls working in bars refusing to barfine Westerners and South Asians but willingly going out with the East Asians. You seem to have a theory here! Possible. We end up making the girl work too hard I guess.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen and American or a Brit or an Aussie or a German or someone else berate a Thai girl or shopkeeper or someone with a small street stall. It's really embarrassing. You wouldn't go into someone's home in your own country and act like that! We are here as guests and it is truly rude not to be grateful. I find it very difficult to believe that dancing half naked in a bar, going home with anyone, working in a massage parlor, selling wares on the street, any of it would be a choice of most of these people if it were not a matter of survival. The least we can do as guests is show them a little respect in their own home country. Rant over.Those guys might have read too many forums where they read any Thai girl can be available for a price.
Add a bit of intoxication and you get what you described.
On one occasion I had met this girl who was in Pattaya for just 2 weeks when I met her. We went to a restaurant for dinner where the girl told me that her first BF from the previous week was an Indian man who also took her to a restaurant, ordered food for himself and fed his face without even asking the lady for a glass of water.From my last trip:
I was getting a foot massage in a decent legit shop. A family of 10 Indians stroll in acting loudly like they were in a Mumbai train station. No respect for their surroundings at all. I reckon it was a husband, wife, wife sister, mother-in-law, and six female children.
Well the father sits next to me while the 9 woman take a seat across from him on benches meant for the fish tank customers. And all 9 woman proceed to watch him get a foot massage. There was constant talk between the father and older woman in what I can only describe as an argumentative tone. And all the time that dumb Twitter whistle was coming from his phone. The Thai massage ladies in the shop looked mortified (lots of eye rolling) but did nothing to correct the behavior. They even brought the older woman some hot tea which I though was a respectful touch.
Well I closed my eyes trying to project myself into another place. When I opened them I saw the female family members sharing what looked like three portions of a street meal between the 9 of them. And after the gentleman's phone rang and he started yelling into it I decided I had enough, paid and tipped and left mid-stream. This is just one of many experiences I have had with sub-continental tourists in Thailand where they show zero class and zero respect for others. The stereotypes are quite true I am afraid.
SL.
I just got back from Bkk yes Indians creates problem everywhere I have seen one Indian guy fighting with a lady near Nana bts and slapped her ..cut...WOW!
The only part of this thread missing is the follow up newspaper report. Did it report as a tourist fatality or just mortally wounded by some of her Thai brothers?
Not only is this so wrong in LOS but any assault on a lady by a man should be.
From my last trip:
I was getting a foot massage in a decent legit shop. A family of 10 Indians stroll in acting loudly like they were in a Mumbai train station. No respect for their surroundings at all. I reckon it was a husband, wife, wife sister, mother-in-law, and six female children.
Well the father sits next to me while the 9 woman take a seat across from him on benches meant for the fish tank customers. And all 9 woman proceed to watch him get a foot massage. There was constant talk between the father and older woman in what I can only describe as an argumentative tone. And all the time that dumb Twitter whistle was coming from his phone. The Thai massage ladies in the shop looked mortified (lots of eye rolling) but did nothing to correct the behavior. They even brought the older woman some hot tea which I though was a respectful touch.
Well I closed my eyes trying to project myself into another place. When I opened them I saw the female family members sharing what looked like three portions of a street meal between the 9 of them. And after the gentleman's phone rang and he started yelling into it I decided I had enough, paid and tipped and left mid-stream. This is just one of many experiences I have had with sub-continental tourists in Thailand where they show zero class and zero respect for others. The stereotypes are quite true I am afraid.
SL.You are far more patient than I am. When I am in a situation like that, especially when I am paying for a service, I speak up. I would have told them to be quiet and behave. I done so several times in the past few years, most recently when a family was trying to jump a long line at the BTS turnstiles. BKK tourist demographics have changed considerably over the last 5 years and IMHO not for the better.
From my last trip:
I was getting a foot massage in a decent legit shop. A family of 10 Indians stroll in acting loudly like they were in a Mumbai train station. No respect for their surroundings at all. I reckon it was a husband, wife, wife sister, mother-in-law, and six female children.
Well the father sits next to me while the 9 woman take a seat across from him on benches meant for the fish tank customers. And all 9 woman proceed to watch him get a foot massage. There was constant talk between the father and older woman in what I can only describe as an argumentative tone. And all the time that dumb Twitter whistle was coming from his phone. The Thai massage ladies in the shop looked mortified (lots of eye rolling) but did nothing to correct the behavior. They even brought the older woman some hot tea which I though was a respectful touch.
Well I closed my eyes trying to project myself into another place. When I opened them I saw the female family members sharing what looked like three portions of a street meal between the 9 of them. And after the gentleman's phone rang and he started yelling into it I decided I had enough, paid and tipped and left mid-stream. This is just one of many experiences I have had with sub-continental tourists in Thailand where they show zero class and zero respect for others. The stereotypes are quite true I am afraid.
SL.Sometimes I get uneasy when racial groups are stereotyped here or elsewhere. HOWEVER, I then remind myself the Chinese government felt it needed to issue a small book or pamphlet to its nationals traveling abroad to teach them proper manners, because without such guidance the typical Chinese tourist, but of course not all Chinese tourists, tended while abroad to behave inappropriately.
This example highlights there are nationalities whose cultures do not match what is expected of tourists overseas. So stereotyping by culture would seem not to be out of line so long as there is enough flexibility to apply the stereotype only to individuals who are behaving stereotypically.
Reasonable or unreasonable?
Sometimes I get uneasy when racial groups are stereotyped here or elsewhere. HOWEVER, I then remind myself the Chinese government felt it needed to issue a small book or pamphlet to its nationals traveling abroad to teach them proper manners, because without such guidance the typical Chinese tourist, but of course not all Chinese tourists, tended while abroad to behave inappropriately.
This example highlights there are nationalities whose cultures do not match what is expected of tourists overseas. So stereotyping by culture would seem not to be out of line so long as there is enough flexibility to apply the stereotype only to individuals who are behaving stereotypically.
Reasonable or unreasonable?During my trip to Thailand, I discovered that the so-called "ugly American" has been joined abroad by "the ugly Chinese". Loud, pushing, shoving, not waiting their turn for services, and disrespectful (inappropriate dress at the temple of the Emerald Buddha for example). Just atrocious behavior! A Thai tour guide was being a bit unprofessional I suppose when she privately confessed to me, while still acting in her official capacity on a tour, that she was sick and tired of all the unruly Chinese visitors to Thailand.
I know they pissed me off on many a night in Pattaya on Walking Street streaming along in great phalanx formations, often 4 to 5 abreast, blocking passage for a monger! I was like here we go again! This is like having to navigate the fucking Yangtze to get to where I want to go! Even some of the Thai folks running shops and small businesses and such (and some of the go-go girls too) mentioned that they did not like these Chinese tourist groups because they were disruptive while not spending enough money (yes, I spent time actually talking to "normal" local Thais). There were lots of Russian tourists present, but I understand that their numbers were actually down as Russians don't have as much disposable income to spend as they did just a few years ago.
But LA Guy, I think you're right. Stereotypes are based on some behavior, attitude, or characteristic that somebody has observed. In that sense, they have some legitimacy. But you still need to remember that people are individuals. If 5 Indian guys sip out of one Coca-Cola in the go-go bar, then the management needs to deal with them and them only. Their behavior has nothing to do with me or anybody else, so neither I nor anybody else should be denied entry because of what those 5 cheap bastards did! Judge not by the color of the skin, but by the content of the character!
Reasonable or unreasonable?Unreasonable in the US. Reasonable in most non-westernized countries.
Uncle Volodya
12-14-15, 03:10
I had a very sketchy experience at CH last night. I BFd one of the dancers. #139 Myoo (or something like that. I have a tough time getting the names right with all the noise). Gorgeous girl, short and very nice natural be cups -- theylook like Cs on her small frame). We really clicked and I was expecting an epic GFE.
We stopped off at Oskar for a few drinks and then she wanted to go to Levels for a drink, which I obliged, as we were really having a good time together. The bouncers checked he ID and she is only 17!! The nice bouncer told me I better go inside and leave her there, which I did.
She was pissed and wanted money. But I was not having any of that. I may go back to CH and demand refund of my BF. What do you guys think?
Luckily I did not take her back to my place and we were never alone together. What a nightmare! I am glad I did not wake up at the Bangkok Hilton this morning.
Uncle Volodya
12-14-15, 05:50
One more detail that will help you avoid her: she has a small tatoo that says "boy" on her left wrist.
I would. It's quite possible she showed a friends or relatives identification card to be hired and they don't know her real age. The consequences appear pretty serious if the police find out. Haven't a few places been shut down recently because of minors working in their clubs?
Can't believe a 17 yo girl has the cheek to still want payment either. If you had paid her, it would implicate you too. Yes, Ask for the BF back. Subtly imply, what would happen if the police find out.
Also, by doing so you 'pay it forward' by protecting other punters who not be as lucky as you...
I had a very sketchy experience at CH last night. I BFd one of the dancers. #139 Myoo (or something like that. I have a tough time getting the names right with all the noise). Gorgeous girl, short and very nice natural be cups -- theylook like Cs on her small frame). We really clicked and I was expecting an epic GFE.
We stopped off at Oskar for a few drinks and then she wanted to go to Levels for a drink, which I obliged, as we were really having a good time together. The bouncers checked he ID and she is only 17!! The nice bouncer told me I better go inside and leave her there, which I did.
She was pissed and wanted money. But I was not having any of that. I may go back to CH and demand refund of my BF. What do you guys think?
Luckily I did not take her back to my place and we were never alone together. What a nightmare! I am glad I did not wake up at the Bangkok Hilton this morning.
Uncle Volodya
12-14-15, 06:44
I would. It's quite possible she showed a friends or relatives identification card to be hired and they don't know her real age. The consequences appear pretty serious if the police find out. Haven't a few places been shut down recently because of minors working in their clubs?
Can't believe a 17 yo girl has the cheek to still want payment either. If you had paid her, it would implicate you too. Yes, Ask for the BF back. Subtly imply, what would happen if the police find out.
Also, by doing so you 'pay it forward' by protecting other punters who not be as lucky as you...Thanks man. Yes I will go by this evening. Maybe the bar doesn't know. And it'd be a shame if it closes. Some hot girls there for sure.
I even asked her repeatedly if she as of age and she kept saying she was 19. We even joked about jailbait. That she promise me that she write me if I go to jail be / see of her. Little did I know at the time! Be careful out there guys.
Wolvenvacht
12-14-15, 07:12
Can't believe a 17 yo girl has the cheek to still want payment either.If she has the cheek and the guts to be on The Game at the age of 17, then I don't see why she would be shy when she asks for payment.
HornySperm09
12-14-15, 07:45
Hey ramesh,
I totally agree with your point of cheaper tickets available to thailand.
But still you cannot judge whole country on the basis of few arseholes.
I am planning to visit thailand in 2016. I hope to get most out of my trip.
Here in India I got to know really nice thai girls. I mostly go for thai girls at spa.
And I am a average looking guy but because of my courteous behavior with them.
I have had good fun. So don't being ashamed of an Indian.
We can be the change.
Cheers.
I just got back from Bkk yes Indians creates problem everywhere I have seen one Indian guy fighting with a lady near Nana bts and slapped her another other guy in JJ market fighting with a shopkeeper these days Indians are creating a lot problems in Thailand tickets are cheap so everyone just comes to Thailand!! You cannot blame Thai people for hating us we are not taught to respect a women! I'm so ashamed of being an Indian!
EihTooms, Wolvenvacht and others. Will you please move your boring discusion to the proper thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-in-ThailandNo problem. Now, back to the "Racism in Thailand" thread. Or has it become the "Jailbait Trap Thai Bars" thread? Either way, very positive contributions for the sake of local business, I'd say. And apparently not boring to anyone yet, right?
(btw, a "Safe Sex in Thailand" thread isn't really the logical place for the discussion we were having either. A thread devoted to discussing which condoms to buy and where to buy them doesn't exactly invite questions about and dispassionate replies and advice on where to find BBFS in Bangkok and the best way to ask for it. Just sayin')
FreebieFan
12-14-15, 07:53
You are far more patient than I am. When I am in a situation like that, especially when I am paying for a service, I speak up. I would have told them to be quiet and behave. I done so several times in the past few years, most recently when a family was trying to jump a long line at the BTS turnstiles. .I live in the Heavenly Kingdom (lucky me, right!) and have to put up with their distinctly unsocial behavior 24/7/ Its always a joy to get out of the place. So aside frrom talknig loudly which they do on the street, in restaurants what else do they do. Hmm parking on pedestrian crossings is a regular one, driving with mobile phones, spitting everywhere, driving across pedestrian crossings whe the signal indicates its ok for the pedestrian to cross, using the beds in IKEA to physically sleep in, blocking bike paths because they need a break from driving, smoking almost everywhere, talking loud on every train I've ever been on, fighting on planes over overhead baggage space, over seat reclines, you name it they fight and shout and about, making fun if someone is from a different part of China to them, selling fake goods and claiming they are genuine, thinking nothing of adding chemicals to food to make it look better, using "gutter oil ", the list is truly long. And guess what, there are more and more of them travelling more and more!.
I had a very sketchy experience at CH last night. I BFd one of the dancers. #139 Myoo (or something like that. I have a tough time getting the names right with all the noise). Gorgeous girl, short and very nice natural be cups -- theylook like Cs on her small frame). We really clicked and I was expecting an epic GFE.
We stopped off at Oskar for a few drinks and then she wanted to go to Levels for a drink, which I obliged, as we were really having a good time together. The bouncers checked he ID and she is only 17!! The nice bouncer told me I better go inside and leave her there, which I did.
She was pissed and wanted money. But I was not having any of that. I may go back to CH and demand refund of my BF. What do you guys think?
Luckily I did not take her back to my place and we were never alone together. What a nightmare! I am glad I did not wake up at the Bangkok Hilton this morning.Be careful guys, with what you say directly. This is not one of the permitted topics on the forum. We don't want Jackson coming down on us. Perhaps this report is borderline.
Police raids have been cracking down recently on girls in the doubtful category, however CH is a "special" shop. They know in advance when the police will visit, and its usually got a set timetable. I even saw them hiding certain things not desirable for the inspection. Not sure that readers will guess what needed hiding. If very smart and experienced, you may guess. I probably couldn't, until I actually saw it.
Girls in suspect categories, typically ask the customer where he wants to go in advance. Just the ST Hotel and a place to eat are acceptable. I personally have sympathy for these girls. They all have to make money to support themselves, their child, their families. They don't want to be discriminated against. However I naturally prefer more experienced girls. Hard to resist the stunners though. Fortunately none of my favourites is in a problem category right now. I used to have a favorite that was not a Thai national, so she had problems with the police raids.
Guys need some vigilance though to make sure your girl is not in a problem category. I had the funny experienced of a Hotel Solo denying my right to take a girl to my room as a visitor, in the past, was No. 24 from Annies and I had no idea of her age, who was aged 19. I am not sure what age they required. Perhaps 21. However it was not forbidden for her to check in to the room as like a permanent guest (rather than a temporary one). So me and my adopted Granddaugther. LOL Obviously I did not want to stay at that Hotel any more. Family Hotels are not for me.
Sometimes I get uneasy when racial groups are stereotyped here or elsewhere. HOWEVER, I then remind myself the Chinese government felt it needed to issue a small book or pamphlet to its nationals traveling abroad to teach them proper manners, because without such guidance the typical Chinese tourist, but of course not all Chinese tourists, tended while abroad to behave inappropriately.
They probably didn't read the book. I find large groups of Chinese (or Hong Kongers) to be the very worst mannered tourists (they don't have any at all). Yet some western guys love to go live in China or Hong Kong. Puzzles me. Its a generalisation, but if you meet a large tourist group, it is correct for the group. Chinese living in other countries are typically different. One of my best buddies is of Chinese ancestry and he was born in a Western County. That makes a huge difference. He comes from a western culture country so attitudes are very different.
Last night met a rich Chinese / Thai guy who looked very Chinese but was very good looking. Dressed in business type clothing. He was drunk and conversing with a bargirl in Thai. His Thai was good but spoke very slowly. He did not seem to understand when she told him she had her period. I translated to English for him. I had to guess he was from a rich family and probably had spent many years overseas (not in Thailand), since my Thai vocab seemed better than his. Even though he had lots of money and good looking, none of the girls at the bar seemed that keen to go with him. He ended up dishing out money to the Cambodian street urchins instead which was stupid, as then they keep hanging around and wanting more. He was not in the no-class Chinese bracket, I guessed not from China or Hong Kong and his family may have been in Thailand for some time, so maybe the girls were generally avoiding him just from being drunk. He looked like he found the ladyboy attractive too, but even she did not come to him. His first girl target with her period, looked rather Chinese to me, with slit eyes, and the least attractive girl in the bar to my taste. So I don't know where the Chinese guy originated but was well outside of the stereotype we talk about.
Be careful guys, with what you say directly. This is not one of the permitted topics on the forum. We don't want Jackson coming down on us. Perhaps this report is borderline.
Police raids have been cracking down recently on girls in the doubtful category, however CH is a "special" shop. They know in advance when the police will visit, and its usually got a set timetable. I even saw them hiding certain things not desirable for the inspection. Not sure that readers will guess what needed hiding. If very smart and experienced, you may guess. I probably couldn't, until I actually saw it.
Girls in suspect categories, typically ask the customer where he wants to go in advance. Just the ST Hotel and a place to eat are acceptable. I personally have sympathy for these girls. They all have to make money to support themselves, their child, their families. They don't want to be discriminated against. However I naturally prefer more experienced girls. Hard to resist the stunners though. Fortunately none of my favourites is in a problem category right now. I used to have a favorite that was not a Thai national, so she had problems with the police raids.
Guys need some vigilance though to make sure your girl is not in a problem category. I had the funny experienced of a Hotel Solo denying my right to take a girl to my room as a visitor, in the past, was No. 24 from Annies and I had no idea of her age, who was aged 19. I am not sure what age they required. Perhaps 21. However it was not forbidden for her to check in to the room as like a permanent guest (rather than a temporary one). So me and my adopted Granddaugther. LOL Obviously I did not want to stay at that Hotel any more. Family Hotels are not for me.My memory is not clear on this but I think I remember some sort of directive going down that required girls needed to be something like 20 or 21 to check into a hotel as a WG, rather than the previous age of 18. When I read this I also read something about inconsistent enforcement (some hotels were more diligent than others). Does anyone else remember something like this, and, if so, what the current status is?
My memory is not clear on this but I think I remember some sort of directive going down that required girls needed to be something like 20 or 21 to check into a hotel as a WG, rather than the previous age of 18. When I read this I also read something about inconsistent enforcement (some hotels were more diligent than others). Does anyone else remember something like this, and, if so, what the current status is?You should use the word "visit" rather than "check-in" as official checking in seems to be allowed. Obviously the Hotel has no way of knowing if a girl is a hooker or not, and what you will get up to in the room, and whether she will be paid any money. Proper checking-in then has to be considered to be O.K. Fortunately I had no need to check in more than one girl. LOL
You should use the word "visit" rather than "check-in" as official checking in seems to be allowed. Obviously the Hotel has no way of knowing if a girl is a hooker or not, and what you will get up to in the room, and whether she will be paid any money. Proper checking-in then has to be considered to be O.K. Fortunately I had no need to check in more than one girl. LOLI'm not sure I'm entirely following you and maybe I was not totally clear. In any event, what I'm referring to is at some hotels the WG must leave her id. at the front desk (or concierge) and they are pretty good at knowing who is a WG and who is not (I'm not saying they are perfect at it). So what I was referring to is whether there has been a change at those hotels that hold the girls' ids. In the minimum age the girl has to be to get in the hotel. I thought sometime after the coup the army or their surrogates did impose a higher age requirement, but as I said before my recollection is not crystal clear on this.
Uncle Volodya
12-14-15, 14:34
I went back to CH this afternoon and talked with the Mamasan (the skinny one with glasses). She thanked me for reporting this to her, but got kind of aggressive when I asked her for my BF back. She says there was no chance for this as the girls needed to take taxi and came back to CH crying after I refused to giver her any money. But that we were now square and that I was welcome to come to the bar any time.
I did not push the issue as I do want to go back to the bar one day. But I don' think I will be going back this trip as I may not be all that welcome from the girl's friends if she loses her job. This sucks for me as there were many many hot girls there.
In any case I am not convinced that they are really taking this problem seriously so please be careful when going to that bar guys and do check the girls IDs if they look young.
That is all I will say on this issue as I do not want Jackson to ban me. I am just reporting this here to warn fellow mongers.
Stay horny my friends. But also be vigilant!
Uncle-V.
I live in the Heavenly Kingdom (lucky me, right!) and have to put up with their distinctly unsocial behavior 24/7/ Its always a joy to get out of the place. So aside frrom talknig loudly which they do on the street, in restaurants what else do they do. Hmm parking on pedestrian crossings is a regular one, driving with mobile phones, spitting everywhere, driving across pedestrian crossings whe the signal indicates its ok for the pedestrian to cross, using the beds in IKEA to physically sleep in, blocking bike paths because they need a break from driving, smoking almost everywhere, talking loud on every train I've ever been on, fighting on planes over overhead baggage space, over seat reclines, you name it they fight and shout and about, making fun if someone is from a different part of China to them, selling fake goods and claiming they are genuine, thinking nothing of adding chemicals to food to make it look better, using "gutter oil ", the list is truly long. And guess what, there are more and more of them travelling more and more!.Truthfully, they have ruined traveling in Asia for me. I don't want to go anywhere because there are hordes of them everywhere. Airports are awful; I don't like being coughed on or my ear yelled in, tourist attractions; forget it, and if you are in a hotel with them it is just plain awful. Has to be the worst thing that has happened to travel in decades. And there will be more and more of them.
Member #4698
12-14-15, 18:00
Add one more item to the list of bad behaviors: letting your friggin' kids run wild at the 4*/5* hotel swimming pool. Some times the kids are so obnoxious and loud that I have to intercede and restore discipline directly on the children. I don't blame the kids, however, its their terrible boorish parents that don't give a shit who are causing the problems. All I can say is thank God for Chlorine. LOL.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-14-15, 18:05
I went back to CH this afternoon and talked with the Mamasan (the skinny one with glasses). She thanked me for reporting this to her, but got kind of aggressive when I asked her for my BF back. She says there was no chance for this as the girls needed to take taxi and came back to CH crying after I refused to giver her any money. But that we were now square and that I was welcome to come to the bar any time.
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In any case I am not convinced that they are really taking this problem seriously so please be careful when going to that bar guys and do check the girls IDs if they look young.
That is all I will say on this issue as I do not want Jackson to ban me. I am just reporting this here to warn fellow mongers.
Stay horny my friends. But also be vigilant!
Uncle-V.If the bouncer at Legends could immediately know her age, how could CH management not know? They obviously knew and is part of their business practice, presumably what Syzygies said they hide during police raids. Given that, check her ID before even considering bar fining someone there.
I don't understand why the Legends bouncer told you to leave her there. It would have been better to immediately return her to CH and get your bar fine back then instead of going back the day after. If he thought it would be unwise for you to be in the same cab with her, he should have told you to put her in a cab and tell the driver to bring her to CH, and for you to follow in another cab.
If the bouncer at Legends could immediately know her age, how could CH management not know? They obviously knew and is part of their business practice, presumably what Syzygies said they hide during police raids. Given that, check her ID before even considering bar fining someone there.
I don't understand why the Legends bouncer told you to leave her there. It would have been better to immediately return her to CH and get your bar fine back then instead of going back the day after. If he thought it would be unwise for you to be in the same cab with her, he should have told you to put her in a cab and tell the driver to bring her to CH, and for you to follow in another cab.No you don't guess what things they hide. However sure certain girls would not be present. One thing hidden is called Yaa Dong. Its a drink given to girls to take away their natural shyness so they can be raunchy.
You aren't getting your barfine back because you made a mistake.
You barfine young girls for ST. The purpose is to take them for a fuck in a ST hotel nearby. That place will not be checking anything. Not to take them to a disco. If unsure, more checking is required or ask the mamsan what is possible and what is not beforehand.
This basic problem with girls has been mentioned plenty of times before. Suzie Wong was closed down for a short time due to various types of violations.
One girl Kaafee told me she liked to go to a disco more than to go for sex. I wasn't interested. You need to know girls rather well before contemplating more than ST fuck in my opinion. Get a bite to eat maybe.
Lets explain a barfine. It enables you to keep the girl with you. She doesn't have to leave you to take a turn at dancing and some other guy cannot immediately steal her away from you. You can then take her outside the bar for other activities. A great fuck is not guaranteed. She could decide she doesn't want to fuck at all. Some girls have asked me to BF them so they don't have to dance or so can just go home. LOL.
There are no BF refunds. At least I never heard of such a thing and it seems very unlikely
If you pay for sex up front as well, then you had better actually get it. I have never paid for sex upfront. Hiwever I am trusted. Has been heard of that bad girls could simply do a runner. However I ask a girl if she wants ST before I pay the barfine. Occasionally I have asked for more than a ST. Not often. Occasionally a girl will mention how much she expects. My regular girls don't as they assume I will give them roughly like last time I suppose.
Hi all,
Just back from a quick trip to BKK. Not much time to spare and having just done AC did not want to do the Soi Cowboy scene. Decided to check out Spasso as I had not been there in some time. Place has not changed but the faces have. Some very well packaged girls that I chatted with and drank with. A little too business like for me so I moved on to Climax Club. Got there about 1 am and the place was packed. A lot of variety and some real gems in there. Spotted a nice one that caught my eye by her sexy dancing. Spent all night and most of the next day with her. A real GFE with DFK and lots of positions. Natural body with no fake tits and a really nice arse for doggy. Great first night get.
Next day had to work and we all fronted up later to a bar called Quincey. Lots of very fine looking girls but far too many expats looking to get a taste. Numbers did not favor a monger. Decided to try Climax again. Got there about 2 am and again the place was packed. Numbers much better for the monger and managed to spot a real stunner who I spent the next two days with. Another GFE with a great natural body and a real performer. Climax was pumping until 5 am close and girls were coming in and out on a regular basis. Great hunting ground for those who like a late night. Only downside is te band can be hit and miss. Still who cares when there are so many girls to get to know! Got to love BKK.
Happy hunting.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-15-15, 00:24
No you don't guess what things they hide. However sure certain girls would not be present. One thing hidden is called Yaa Dong. Its a drink given to girls to take away their natural shyness so they can be raunchy.
You aren't getting your barfine back because you made a mistake.
You barfine young girls for ST. The purpose is to take them for a fuck in a ST hotel nearby. That place will not be checking anything. Not to take them to a disco. If unsure, more checking is required or ask the mamsan what is possible and what is not beforehand.
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Lets explain a barfine. It enables you to keep the girl with you. She doesn't have to leave you to take a turn at dancing and some other guy cannot immediately steal her away from you. You can then take her outside the bar for other activities. A great fuck is not guaranteed. She could decide she doesn't want to fuck at all. Some girls have asked me to BF them so they don't have to dance or so can just go home. LOL.
There are no BF refunds. At least I never heard of such a thing and it seems very unlikely Since I don't believe you can possibly be defending CH's illegal practice of employing not of age girls and sending them out to be fucked by customers who expect the club to have performed due diligence on the girls' ages (which, as you said, is why some girls are not there during the scheduled inspection times, and for which Suzie Wong was closed for some time), I don't understand your point. This is not an issue of a guy making a mistake about a girl who was bad in bed, did not want to have sex or was a runner (although I'm pretty sure that not being allowed to stick your dick in her would qualify you for getting your bar fine back. Do you really think that people (other than you perhaps) would continue to bar fine girls from a club if it became known that management would keep the bar fine whether or not the girl provided the service she said she would?
This is an issue of a club potentially ruining a guy's life if he were to get caught having sex with the not of age girl they employed and who, by employing her, implicitly assured the customer that she was of legal age to do what she said she would. They should have recognized that they got caught in their illegal activity, and apologized to him for putting him at such risk and given him his money back, if only to hide their illegal activity.
My next trip to LOS is coming up in three weeks, can hardly wait as usual. Yes, lots of changes in the past 15 years or so, but what hasn't? I don't do well at Climax for whatever reason. I wind up walking around a bit and then hanging out against the wall by the ladies room, not fun. I used to go to Thermae but not not in the past 4-5 years. So how about Scratch Dog? I've never been there and I don't see much referring to it. I'd go for a GFE for a week if I hit it off with someone but a test drive is definitely required for that. Last year I took a lady from Patts for a week after only one LT, won't do that again!
No you don't guess what things they hide. However sure certain girls would not be present. One thing hidden is called Yaa Dong. Its a drink given to girls to take away their natural shyness so they can be raunchy.Hey Syzygies,
Tell us more about this Yaa Dong and what do they call this in medico terms. Is it available easily in all the pharmacies in bkk or around the world?
Does it increase the sex drive of women as Viagra does to men?
Many times when I was in Escape HK those Colombian women used to look at men like they were hungry for sex, you could feel she has lust in her eyes and she wants to fuck you then and there, one of the ladies whom I took form there when we reached the st hotel near escape as it was full and we were supposed to wait for 20-30 minutes was so horny she started making out with me there in there small reception. Stairs, she was continuously saying fuck me I am so horny please fuck me. I never understood then but now reading your post maybe YAA Dong or something like that would be available in Chinese is the answer. As it is said that the Chinese are master of ancient pharma products, once I took an pain relief oil from a Chinese shop in HK for my grandmother joints and she feels so better after using it that many times I have just made the trip to HK just for that oil.
Do enlighten mate I think this is a great find.
Adios, Hope to see you soon in BKK on Christmas or new years. Its been a long awaited trip.
Ciao,
Alex
Frankly, I don't think you should return to this place again. If it was me, I would tell her as much and the reason why in no uncertain terms. Besides being illegal, it just encourages bad customer service by the club. And as for Mama San, she does not get it. She complains to you about the girl crying about not getting paid but does not comment on an under aged girl working there or apologize? This tells me that it is common practice there and potentially dangerous for all punters.
As far as the multitude of hot girls in CH, that may be true, but there are plenty of fish in the sea and if you return, it basically says you don't care that you got screwed.
It sounds like, based on mamasans response, it would not have mattered if you returned right away to complain or the next day. And you might have had many reasons not to return -- distance, lateness of hour, inebriated etc.
I'm not sure I'm entirely following you and maybe I was not totally clear. In any event, what I'm referring to is at some hotels the WG must leave her id. at the front desk (or concierge) and they are pretty good at knowing who is a WG and who is not (I'm not saying they are perfect at it). So what I was referring to is whether there has been a change at those hotels that hold the girls' ids. In the minimum age the girl has to be to get in the hotel. I thought sometime after the coup the army or their surrogates did impose a higher age requirement, but as I said before my recollection is not crystal clear on this.
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You aren't getting your barfine back because you made a mistake.
You barfine young girls for ST. The purpose is to take them for a fuck in a ST hotel nearby. That place will not be checking anything.
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There are no BF refunds. At least I never heard of such a thing and it seems very unlikely
{Snip)Not sure what you mean by "That place will not be checking anything" regarding the Short Time hotels but I think most of the times I have used Short Time hotels in or near Soi Cowboy, Nana or Patpong, the girl hands over her ID to the clerk as though she knew it would be expected of her and the clerk takes a good long look at it. I assume he is checking for something. The clerk in the Short Time hotel on the AngelWitch side of Nana Entertainment Plaza just a few weeks ago saw something he didn't like on my girl's ID and said, "Sorry, we cannot". I asked the girl why he wouldn't give us a room and she, a go-go dancer in Nana I have taken to my apartment before but never to a Short Time hotel, only mumbled something incoherent and we moved on. Age? I have no idea. I never would have suspected it.
On the second subject, I have gotten barfines refunded for non-performance several times over the years. From go-go bars in Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana. I have done it as far back as 20+ years ago and as recently as this very month. Another fairly recent time was about a year ago in Patpong. You just walk back in with the girl, state your case, hold your ground and wait. And it has never effected my ability to get very good service from girls in that same bar under the same mamasans soon afterwards.
A rant on my overriding point: Gentlemen, we are not beggars. Your standing with the girls is not improved and your service level from them is not raised by promoting that impression or allowing your "good heart" to be confused with "sucker". If there is something you want from a girl, any girl in any venue, but the word is that girls who work in places like such-and-such don't do that, ask anyway. If they say no, walk. If you are ripped off by a girl for whom you have paid a barfine, March yourself and the girl right back into the bar and make it known as calmly, politely yet firmly as possible.
WE are the only true "quality control" elements in this system. The mamasans and papasans don't know dick about what is actually going on between their girls and the customers. This new tendency to just roll over, go with the flow, accept whatever crap service or no service is doled out and be happy about it as a low demand, low expectations customer serves no one well; not the P4 P industry in general, not the bars, not the good girls working the bars, and certainly not you or your fellow customers.
My next trip to LOS is coming up in three weeks, can hardly wait as usual. Yes, lots of changes in the past 15 years or so, but what hasn't? I don't do well at Climax for whatever reason. I wind up walking around a bit and then hanging out against the wall by the ladies room, not fun. I used to go to Thermae but not not in the past 4-5 years. So how about Scratch Dog? I've never been there and I don't see much referring to it. I'd go for a GFE for a week if I hit it off with someone but a test drive is definitely required for that. Last year I took a lady from Patts for a week after only one LT, won't do that again!I have seen several inquiries about Scratch Dog recently on the various boards so I will chime in on my one and only limited experience there about a month ago. I went with a girl so I am sure her hanging with me the whole time probably changed the dynamics as far as a place to pick up or get picked up by other ladies. It was dead until about Midnight. Then my girl and I were virtually the first to get our butts off the stools and start dancing. Well, moving and shuffling around more or less in time with the beat of the music. 555. Actually, as the night progressed and until roughly 3:45 AM when we left, we were among the few who ever even tried to dance. And we were still on our feet shuffling around the whole time. I only mention the stuff about dancing because it seemed our table for two became a bit of a magnet for singles and small groups of hot girls to join us, toast every sip, share their ice buckets, dance along with us, etc. Showing some signs of life in an otherwise "too cool" atmosphere is often a magnet for girls looking to have fun.
Anyway, I have to say the place was packed by 2 AM, there were a lot of hot girls there, but they were outnumbered by the guys, the vast majority of whom were Thai, Korean, Japanese, or some other Asians. Most of the girls appeared to be looking to hook up with those Asian guys. Very rare to see a farang such as myself even winding his way through the crowd on his way to the toilet. At least on this particular night about a month ago.
The entrance fee is 400 baht, which buys you two drinks and apparently includes tip. I saw many guys wearing short pants, so that is apparently not a no-no. But I got charged an extra 100 baht at the entrance for wearing sandals instead of full shoes.
As a farang, would I go back there alone or with other guys to hook up with a lady? Maybe. But I didn't see any of the very few unattached farangs in the crowd hooking up with hot ladies and walking out with them. And my date and I were there from before it really got going until almost 4 AM when things appeared to be winding down and couples had paired off and were leaving together.
A rant on my overriding point: Gentlemen, we are not beggars. Your standing with the girls is not improved and your service level from them is not raised by promoting that impression or allowing your "good heart" to be confused with "sucker". If there is something you want from a girl, any girl in any venue, but the word is that girls who work in places like such-and-such don't do that, ask anyway. If they say no, walk. If you are ripped off by a girl for whom you have paid a barfine, March yourself and the girl right back into the bar and make it known as calmly, politely yet firmly as possible.
WE are the only true "quality control" elements in this system. The mamasans and papasans don't know dick about what is actually going on between their girls and the customers. This new tendency to just roll over, go with the flow, accept whatever crap service or no service is doled out and be happy about it as a low demand, low expectations customer serves no one well; not the P4 P industry in general, not the bars, not the good girls working the bars, and certainly not you or your fellow customers.Yes, a hundred times yes. And punters who don't subscribe to this philosophy are doing no one a favor. Service levels have declined because guys accept bad service and do nothing about it. I have never been one to let gals get away with poor service. However, I am never impolite to them, but I am firm; if they don't want to provide agreed upon services then I don't pay the agreed upon price. I know too many guys with the "oh well" attitude.
Yes, a hundred times yes. And punters who don't subscribe to this philosophy are doing no one a favor. Service levels have declined because guys accept bad service and do nothing about it. I have never been one to let gals get away with poor service. However, I am never impolite to them, but I am firm; if they don't want to provide agreed upon services then I don't pay the agreed upon price. I know too many guys with the "oh well" attitude.Your prerogative. However there are limits. If we are a regular customer, we need to be known as a good guy, very fair, and not a trouble maker. Trouble makers become guys that are avoided. However if you have negotiated a price for receiving certain things, then fair enough you should get it. In many cases I have had no negotiation so no price is set. I can then pay what I think was fair for whatever does get delivered.
I don't see any point in complaining if a girl is a starfish. However I agree if there is no sex, then no need to pay for it. Unfortunately the BF is paid and cannot be got back, in a bar. I certainly am not so shy about telling them the girl was no fun, and I would not take her again. It's usually pretty clear which girls we enjoyed, by our attitude to them on sex meeting. Mamasans don't give a shit. They know half the young girls are somewhat clueless anyway. They know the customer is getting ripped off regularly.
On rare occasions, I have liked a girl so much as to give her a 2nd try even when wasn't great the first time. Sometimes such a girl has performed miles better the 2nd time, especially after tequilas to make her forget the inhibitions.
Some girls performed crap as were clearly too tense and scared of the dick, meaning I did not get it off to cum. Some weeks later the girl sees me again and starts acting all raunchy, trying to get me, like she has already forgotten that she was crap for me the first time. So seems like girls remember the guy but don't remember how crap they were on the bed. I find I have to remind girls that we weren't so compatible previously.
I am still nice to girls that tried, but just had a pussy that was too tight or too short. Not every possible couple is a workable one. A regular problem is girl's with pussy stuffed with "luuk gai" , "luuk jiap", or "sponge", during period remnants. It can be detected just 4 inches in, sometimes less, so I always need this to be removed. I cannot fuck girls using these things. I believe they use them in porn movies so that the cock only goes half way in. The director must think it looks better or the cock looks bigger. Bad luck for the guy who has to try to keep his erection with just half insertion. It looks stupid to me too.
Pipe Layer99
12-15-15, 14:22
I went back to CH this afternoon and talked with the Mamasan (the skinny one with glasses). She thanked me for reporting this to her, but got kind of aggressive when I asked her for my BF back. She says there was no chance for this as the girls needed to take taxi and came back to CH crying after I refused to giver her any money. But that we were now square and that I was welcome to come to the bar any time......
Uncle-V.Good thing that you cut the losses when you did the other night. Smart choice. Thanks for the intel also.
No way they were going to refund the barfine. They would make any excuse to keep that money. (a taxi ride back was probably just 45 baht anyway. So can't see how that equals a barfine). I figured they would say something like the door man made a mistake.
Pipe Layer99
12-15-15, 14:35
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You aren't getting your barfine back because you made a mistake......
There are no BF refunds. At least I never heard of such a thing and it seems very unlikely .....
The guy didn't make a mistake. CH and the girl are in the wrong! The OP thought, quite clearly, that he was barfining a lady of age working in a gogo.
As for getting barfines back, I know a guy who was taking a girl back to her bar because she couldn't perform for some dumb reason. He told her let's go back to your bar. She didn't want to go back as to not be embarrassed. Instead, she went with him to an ATM and she refunded the money. LOL.
Pipe Layer99
12-15-15, 14:45
....A rant on my overriding point: Gentlemen, we are not beggars. Your standing with the girls is not improved and your service level from them is not raised by promoting that impression or allowing your "good heart" to be confused with "sucker". If there is something you want from a girl, any girl in any venue, but the word is that girls who work in places like such-and-such don't do that, ask anyway. If they say no, walk. If you are ripped off by a girl for whom you have paid a barfine, March yourself and the girl right back into the bar and make it known as calmly, politely yet firmly as possible.
WE are the only true "quality control" elements in this system. The mamasans and papasans don't know dick about what is actually going on between their girls and the customers. This new tendency to just roll over, go with the flow, accept whatever crap service or no service is doled out and be happy about it as a low demand, low expectations customer serves no one well; not the P4 P industry in general, not the bars, not the good girls working the bars, and certainly not you or your fellow customers.Good points! Too many guys act over sympathetic for the girls, even when the girls are at fault. As a result, they get taken advantage of over and over.
Your prerogative. However there are limits. If we are a regular customer, we need to be known as a good guy, very fair, and not a trouble maker. Trouble makers become guys that are avoided. However if you have negotiated a price for receiving certain things, then fair enough you should get it. In many cases I have had no negotiation so no price is set. I can then pay what I think was fair for whatever does get delivered.
I don't see any point in complaining if a girl is a starfish. However I agree if there is no sex, then no need to pay for it. Unfortunately the BF is paid and cannot be got back, in a bar. I certainly am not so shy about telling them the girl was no fun, and I would not take her again. It's usually pretty clear which girls we enjoyed, by our attitude to them on sex meeting. Mamasans don't give a shit. They know half the young girls are somewhat clueless anyway. They know the customer is getting ripped off regularly.
On rare occasions, I have liked a girl so much as to give her a 2nd try even when wasn't great the first time. Sometimes such a girl has performed miles better the 2nd time, especially after tequilas to make her forget the inhibitions.
Some girls performed crap as were clearly too tense and scared of the dick, meaning I did not get it off to cum. Some weeks later the girl sees me again and starts acting all raunchy, trying to get me, like she has already forgotten that she was crap for me the first time. So seems like girls remember the guy but don't remember how crap they were on the bed. I find I have to remind girls that we weren't so compatible previously.
I am still nice to girls that tried, but just had a pussy that was too tight or too short. Not every possible couple is a workable one. A regular problem is girl's with pussy stuffed with "luuk gai" , "luuk jiap", or "sponge", during period remnants. It can be detected just 4 inches in, sometimes less, so I always need this to be removed. I cannot fuck girls using these things. I believe they use them in porn movies so that the cock only goes half way in. The director must think it looks better or the cock looks bigger. Bad luck for the guy who has to try to keep his erection with just half insertion. It looks stupid to me too.I am always nice, never raise my voice, and keep smiling, even when a sesh goes pear-shaped. I always tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. But when services are not rendered then the agreed upon money is not paid. I would label a "troublemaker" as a person who demands more than has agreed upon or who expects something out of the ordinary without negotiating first and then gets angry. From a GoGo or FL I expect DFK, DATY, BBBJ, fingering, and enthusiastic sex. In other words, what she would do with her boyfriend. With an oily gal add rimming to that. A+ only from gals who are known to provide. Demanding a GFE from a GoGo gal is not being a "troublemaker. ".
As far as barfines are concerned if more dudes return to the bar and demand their money back for poor service or lack of service the mamasans and gals will eventually get the message. But again, most dudes are too shy. With the cost of drinks, BFs, and ST fees exceeding 100 USD, which is a good sum of cash, dudes would do well to demand their money's worth. I sure would. I think EihTooms point is just that. And I agree with him 100%.
I really just don't have the patience to "train" a gal or to be her fledgling customer. If she wants training she should pay me. After all I am the customer and the one spreading the cash.
Robert Long
12-15-15, 18:00
I don't see any point in complaining if a girl is a starfish. However I agree if there is no sex, then no need to pay for it. Unfortunately the BF is paid and cannot be got back, in a bar. I certainly am not so shy about telling them the girl was no fun, and I would not take her again. It's usually pretty clear which girls we enjoyed, by our attitude to them on sex meeting. Mamasans don't give a shit. They know half the young girls are somewhat clueless anyway. They know the customer is getting ripped off regularly.
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You must due diligence with any purchase before paying for it. There are too many drunk mongers in Bkk that pay the BF's and just grab any WG that looks good. And the adage goes "2 beers and they all look good". Thinking with the small head will kill you every time.
RL.
Hi all,
Just back from a quick trip to BKK. Not much time to spare and having just done AC did not want to do the Soi Cowboy scene. Decided to check out Spasso as I had not been there in some time. Place has not changed but the faces have. Some very well packaged girls that I chatted with and drank with. A little too business like for me so I moved on to Climax Club. Got there about 1 am and the place was packed. A lot of variety and some real gems in there. Spotted a nice one that caught my eye by her sexy dancing. Spent all night and most of the next day with her. A real GFE with DFK and lots of positions. Natural body with no fake tits and a really nice arse for doggy. Great first night get.
Next day had to work and we all fronted up later to a bar called Quincey. Lots of very fine looking girls but far too many expats looking to get a taste. Numbers did not favor a monger. Decided to try Climax again. Got there about 2 am and again the place was packed. Numbers much better for the monger and managed to spot a real stunner who I spent the next two days with. Another GFE with a great natural body and a real performer. Climax was pumping until 5 am close and girls were coming in and out on a regular basis. Great hunting ground for those who like a late night. Only downside is te band can be hit and miss. Still who cares when there are so many girls to get to know! Got to love BKK.
Happy hunting.Good report!
Yeah I like Climax too, last time I was there, I was with 3 friends, and we got a bottle of Whiskey.
Very quickly I lost my friends and found myself surrounded by 5-6 spinners smiling at me.
I left with the cutest, never talked about money and went back to my hotel.
Sadly I was a bit too drunk and couldn't come, but had a good time anyway.
She then asked me for 1000 baths, I thought it was cheap, even if we only spent 45 min. Together.
I'll go back there next time I'm in BKK.
The guy didn't make a mistake. CH and the girl are in the wrong! The OP thought, quite clearly, that he was barfining a lady of age working in a gogo.
It should be well known by readers of this forum that bars have girls in problem categories. Unfortunately full discussion is banned.
I can see that drunk guys or newbies may not be awake to these possibilities.
If in any doubt, then check, or go to ST hotel and remain blissfully unaware. Sometimes should walk separately from the girl when in front of police, as though not together.
I have taken a girl not a Thai national several times. Less of a problem.
Is the go go under Spanky's still in operation? Can't think of the name but it was very large inside, almost directly under Spanky's. It had an odd looking stage with cages almost.
It should be well known by readers of this forum that bars have girls in problem categories. Unfortunately full discussion is banned.
I can see that drunk guys or newbies may not be awake to these possibilities.
If in any doubt, then check, or go to ST hotel and remain blissfully unaware. Sometimes should walk separately from the girl when in front of police, as though not together.
I have taken a girl not a Thai national several times. Less of a problem.How less of a problem pray tell? Statutory wise 'problem categories' are all considered equally regardless of nationality.
SL.
I am always nice, never raise my voice, and keep smiling, even when a sesh goes pear-shaped. I always tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. But when services are not rendered then the agreed upon money is not paid. I would label a "troublemaker" as a person who demands more than has agreed upon or who expects something out of the ordinary without negotiating first and then gets angry. From a GoGo or FL I expect DFK, DATY, BBBJ, fingering, and enthusiastic sex. In other words, what she would do with her boyfriend. With an oily gal add rimming to that. A+ only from gals who are known to provide. Demanding a GFE from a GoGo gal is not being a "troublemaker. ".
As far as barfines are concerned if more dudes return to the bar and demand their money back for poor service or lack of service the mamasans and gals will eventually get the message. But again, most dudes are too shy. With the cost of drinks, BFs, and ST fees exceeding 100 USD, which is a good sum of cash, dudes would do well to demand their money's worth. I sure would. I think EihTooms point is just that. And I agree with him 100%.
I really just don't have the patience to "train" a gal or to be her fledgling customer. If she wants training she should pay me. After all I am the customer and the one spreading the cash.555. Love the part about the girl paying me for training. And otherwise agree with everything you said, Goatscrot.
I would also agree with Syzygies in not considering a starfish worthy of a complaint or, from my point of view, categorizing her as a non-performer. Unless, of course, some greater level of gymnastic boom-boom action were agreed upon in the bar before paying the barfine. Highly unlikely that would be the case very often though. How would such a negotiation go? But I can't agree with Syzygies that, "Unfortunately the BF is paid and cannot be got back, in a bar. " I know from first hand experience, recent experience, that is simply not the case. Bear in mind, my examples involved going back to the bar that very night, as soon as possible after the girl changed her mind about doing what she agreed to do in the bar in order to get me to pay her barfine or to do anything else of interest to me for that matter. I was not talking about returning the next day to request a barfine refund for non-performance. But I have gone back the next day to inform the mamasan that she's got a verified scammer working in her bar who is driving paying and potential repeat customers away.
I know it is highly debatable about what constitutes "poor service", but for me it really is all about what is agreed upon in the bar before the barfine is paid, essentially in order to convince me to pay the barfine in the first place. If nothing is agreed upon and there has been no discussion about what she is willing to do for me, then IMO all bets are off and I would not even consider a barfine refund. That also presumes she has not discussed how much money she expects of me because you can bet the farm if and when a girl mentions "how much" first in the bar my immediate response is to list all the wonderful, memorable sexual pleasures I will expect from her before I lay out whatever amount she just quoted.
The girl bringing up "how much" is not a deal killer for me. Far from it. It is merely an opportunity for me to boldly and with full justification and conviction lay every sexual fantasy expectation I have ever conjured up on this little lady and close by saying, "I will pay that no problem IF you do those things for me. Yes or no?" 555. If she is not shy about bringing up "how much" first in the bar, then I am not the least bit shy about telling her exactly what I would expect of her for such a sum, making sure to include the outside extremes of what I might suddenly wish for when I am alone with her. When or if she says "no" to whatever, then we have now established a starting point for negotiating her quoted price DOWN from there.
That said, there have been many times when I have not mentioned a sex act and the girl has not mentioned "how much" before I paid the barfine and took her out and it has worked out just fine. In those cases, I had enough of a good feeling about the girl that, honestly, it did not matter if the only thing we did in my room was that I DATY. Most of those immediate good vibes with a girl turn out to be very much worth the risk of not negotiating anything upfront. But not all of the time. However, the times when going that route did not turn out so well for me, I didn't complain, didn't even consider a barfine refund and I paid the girl whatever bare minimum amount to account for the time she spent with me anyway. The fault was mine in not getting an unambiguous "yes" reply from her to what would inspire me to pay her barfine in the bar and take her out.
Is the go go under Spanky's still in operation? Can't think of the name but it was very large inside, almost directly under Spanky's. It had an odd looking stage with cages almost.The two bars under Spanky's would be either Suckers (formerly Lolipop) or Bangkok Bunnies (formerly Spellbound). Bangkok Bunnies is the one with an odd looking stage almost like a cage. Both are still open for business as of this writing.
Horny Landoora
12-16-15, 10:54
Hi Guys,
Where do you people recommend a punter to party on 31st Dec night in Bangkok? Both mongering and non mongering recommendations would be good. I do not wish to go to Go Go bars or NEP.
I just wish to have a good time with couple of friends over drinks, music and lively ambience. If we do get girls to accompany us for the night thereafter that would be great for the afterparty in our hotel suite.
Cheers.
I'm planning two weeks in mid Jan. Seems prices are high and service is low in Bangkok. Is it worth the time to go to Cambodia, maybe Sihanoukville?
Gentlemen,
Don't jest me, but I am an early riser and early sleeper. I am looking for some higher-end GFE action, but earlier in the evening. Maybe around 9-10 pm. Do you think there will be any good action at Climax? Seems like that is place is best during the late evenings after gogo clubs close. Most report around 2 am.
If not, any other places you can recommend. Tried to RTFF, but didn't find much intel. Might just go the outcall option, but did want pick my own girl and even see if she can spend the 1-2 days with me having meals and shopping. Looking for a higher class, GFE girl if possible, but don't want to spend too much money like escorts. I know, its hard. But any advice would be greatly appreciated for the group.
Cheers
I'm planning two weeks in mid Jan. Seems prices are high and service is low in Bangkok. Is it worth the time to go to Cambodia, maybe Sihanoukville?If prices worry you, by all means go to Cambodia. If looks is your main concern, then Bangkok might be better. Saw a lot of photos buddies took of Cambodian girls, and really not much of my taste at all. So clearly some guys are price oriented.
Yet I knew a really nice cute Cambodian girl working in Bangkok. So it's not brown skin that bothers me.
I know from first hand experience, recent experience, that is simply not the case. Bear in mind, my examples involved going back to the bar that very night, as soon as possible after the girl changed her mind about doing what she agreed to do in the bar in order to get me to pay her barfine or to do anything else of interest to me for that matter. So where did this miracle happen? I don't think guys should assume there is much chance of it. To me, a barfine is not necessarily a guarantee of a fuck. The girl could have something quite different in mind. LOL In my case, Mamasans are rarely involved in me talking to and barfining the girl. So mamasan would not be knowing what we said to each other. Usually it's a basic as asking does she want a ST? and does she like dick?
Don't jest me, but I am an early riser and early sleeper. I am looking for some higher-end GFE action, but earlier in the evening. Maybe around 9-10 pm. Do you think there will be any good action at Climax? Seems like that is place is best during the late evenings after gogo clubs close. Most report around 2 am.
Your title said near to Soi 11. Don't think that is very important really.
9 pm is much too early for discos. I never use discos, as not my time slots, and I just don't like the noise, dark, smoke and non-music. Sometimes a band type venue is O.K. Had to avert my gaze from guys tongue kissing the so-so looking LBs though. LOL
However 9PM is a bit on the late side for Soapies and Oilies. Optimal time for Oilies is probably 5. 30 PM (and upward) and 6. 30 PM for Soapies. IMHO, optimal time for go-go bars is 8 PM to 9 pm, as girls are arriving. Go-go bars definitely deteriorate after 1 AM IMHO.
In mornings, some MPS open at 10 or 11 AM, but likely to have weak line ups. Try the morning bars on Soi 4. "Morning Night" or "Stumble Inn" etc. Free lancers are available in Soi 4 even at 9 PM, some even good looking. Watch out for mostly ladyboys.
I hate the scene outside Nana and Cowboy very late like 3 AM, as lots of girls hopelessly drunk, cannot walk, or spaced out on other stuff and being picked up by their Thai boys on motorcycle. Incredibly ugly scene. I always leave well before that time. Have stayed as late as 2 AM on a freelancer bar on occasions, without seeing all the drunks of Cowboy come out.
Accumulate contact info of great girls to connect to them on LINE App. Then you can hook up any time of day mutually convenient, if they prove reliable. Ditch unreliable girls quickly.
Gentlemen,
Don't jest me, but I am an early riser and early sleeper. .....
.............. Tried to RTFF, but didn't find much intel. Might just go the outcall option, but did want pick my own girl and even see if she can spend the 1-2 days with me having meals and shopping. Looking for a higher class, GFE girl if possible, but don't want to spend too much money like escorts. I know, its hard. But any advice would be greatly appreciated for the group.
CheersHiring professional girl for GFE is just hit and miss. One day a girl in mood as GF (depends on employer too) but another day same girl could ruin the face. There are plenty discussed about your want here. Might be you failed to catch the rope.
Try to invest little effort and time in dating sites. Sure you will be rewarded with your wants.
So where did this miracle happen? I don't think guys should assume there is much chance of it. To me, a barfine is not necessarily a guarantee of a fuck. The girl could have something quite different in mind. LOL In my case, Mamasans are rarely involved in me talking to and barfining the girl. So mamasan would not be knowing what we said to each other. Usually it's a basic as asking does she want a ST? and does she like dick?Tilac Bar a few years ago, Kiss in Patpong (nearly two years ago), and very recently Bangkok Bunnies in Nana. There was another one 20+ years ago when Soi Cowboy was much more wild west than it is today but I don't remember the name of it.
I think guys should always assume there is reasonable chance of it if it seems to be a clear scam move by the girl. Of course, this isn't about the 700-800 baht. It is about the "quality control" I mentioned before. The mamasan doesn't have to have been in on the negotiation to know you're telling the truth and her girl is lying. If it even goes that far, you just tell her what the girl agreed to do in order to get you to pay the barfine and how it was all about "no" in the room. Yes, the girl will rattle off something in Thai denying it. But it turns out Thai girls are merely prolific actresses, not very good ones. The mamasan will know she's lying. And if it is as obvious a scam as it was in my cases, you won't be the first customer who has complained about being scammed by her. I'm not saying any mamasan will just smile and happily hand you back the barfine. But they sure as hell don't want a big hulking man standing in the middle of their bar waiting for his money back and refusing to budge until he does. LOL.
Even if you don't get the barfine back and you get tired of waiting for a final decision, it is well worth the effort in the long run. Not a negative result from it in terms of your access to the girls in that bar, their future treatment of you, the stated "quality control" element of it for all concerned and so on.
Probably the happiest and most sexually satisfied customer those bars will ever have is the very next guy who barfines one of their girls after one of their (probably suspected) scammers got trotted back into that bar and it became clear to everyone that this time she wasn't going to get away with it. Lucky dude whoever walked into those bars after I walked out with my refunded barfine.
Your title said near to Soi 11. Don't think that is very important really.
Accumulate contact info of great girls to connect to them on LINE App. Then you can hook up any time of day mutually convenient, if they prove reliable. Ditch unreliable girls quickly.Very nice question by United, even I sometime want to relax for a nice beer after you have finished your day at around 5-8 pm, I have not been to place were you can have a nice drink and have FL action but as of late my friends in BKK tell me Oskar in Soi 11 is a good place for early night action as it is a restaurant come bar come disco at night. I am not sure but Syzgies as you are in BKK you can try and let us know. I tried sending a pm to you for some drink YYD which you had mentioned in a last post a few days ago but ISG says I cannot pm you, then I wrote here on the forum but I still cannot see that post also. LOL strange I don't know why.
Early action can be found in Spasso's in the grand Hyatt around 9 pm I am not 100 % sure but I have heard this is from WG's who are in touch with me in BKK.
Enjoy my friends.
Ciao,
Alex
Gentlemen,
Don't jest me, but I am an early riser and early sleeper. I am looking for some higher-end GFE action, but earlier in the evening. Maybe around 9-10 pm. Do you think there will be any good action at Climax? Seems like that is place is best during the late evenings after gogo clubs close. Most report around 2 am.
If not, any other places you can recommend. Tried to RTFF, but didn't find much intel. Might just go the outcall option, but did want pick my own girl and even see if she can spend the 1-2 days with me having meals and shopping. Looking for a higher class, GFE girl if possible, but don't want to spend too much money like escorts. I know, its hard. But any advice would be greatly appreciated for the group.
CheersTry Oskar Bistro, same side of Soi 11 as Climax but further down almost where it ends, across from Levels Club (disco). Most nights around the time you mentioned (9-10 pm) there is a lot of higher end freelance tookie there looking for business. Some of them will head to Levels or other venues later. But they are more than up for an earlier escapade before then. As you can see in the link below, it is a restaurant and bar, not a disco. But if you spot a table with two or more very hot young Thai girls in very tight outfits checking their smartphones, you can bet they did not come there for the food.
Sport shorts (swimming trunk type), flip-flops and, as I recall, sleeveless t-shirts are not allowed according to their posted dress code.
http://www.oskar-bistro.com/
Gentlemen,
Don't jest me, but I am an early riser and early sleeper. I am looking for some higher-end GFE action, but earlier in the evening. Maybe around 9-10 pm. Do you think there will be any good action at Climax? Seems like that is place is best during the late evenings after gogo clubs close. Most report around 2 am.
If not, any other places you can recommend. Tried to RTFF, but didn't find much intel. Might just go the outcall option, but did want pick my own girl and even see if she can spend the 1-2 days with me having meals and shopping. Looking for a higher class, GFE girl if possible, but don't want to spend too much money like escorts. I know, its hard. But any advice would be greatly appreciated for the group.
CheersWith the given time frame you will have a reduced number of options. Early evening try Gulliver on Soi 5 and at 9. 30 pm go to Bangkok Beat Soi 7/1. Climax starts to be alive around 11.30 pm - 12 midnight and best time is 1-3 am!
There was another one 20+ years ago when Soi Cowboy was much more wild west than it is today but I don't remember the name of it.
Apologies but that leads me to another very interesting question or three. LOL.
How much was the bar fine in those days in Soi Cowboy? I was there approx. 24 years ago (also PatPong) but to be honest I can't remember the exact BF figure. I could only guess it now.
What did you pay to the girl for Long Time? That one I do remember.
Did you ever take a ST in those days? I don't recall ever having one back then, at least not from a Cowboy girl.
I do remember backroom fucks in Patpong bars like Kangaroo and Annie's Rose. Possibly there was no BF for that, as girls did not leave the bar, or perhaps there was all inclusive fee shared between girl and the bar. I don't have any notes to remember fine details of those payments.
Did you really encounter a scamming girl back then that meant the BF needed to be refunded? I don't recall any girl so bad back then. I suppose I must have encountered some girls that were not great, but I really can't remember any of the total duds. Alzheimer's setting in I guess. What I do remember as a problem sometimes, was getting the girl to leave the next day. In some cases they just did not want to go at all, unless I went with them to wherever they were going. Some tended to stick like limpets. LOL.
Did you ever try the Thermae Soapy MP and the Thermae bar downstairs in those days?
My very first experience in Thailand was 32 years ago (was staying at the Ambassador with western wife), accidentally stumbling on a Soapy MP in Sukhumvit Soi 2 (most likely), on right side, not Annies, and may have been called something like "the Golden Gate", but really the name escapes me now and cannot find any history about it whatsoever. It's just I remember seeing the Tabacco Monopoly security gate at the end of the Soi. I have no idea what it's prices were, probably less than what I thought, and could not communicate with the naked Thai girl at all. I remember I had no condoms and was too scared to fuck and catch an STD. I assume everything may have been BB in those days. I don't know. Certainly Aids wasn't known.
One girl I met at the Thermae Massage 24 years ago, but never actually fucked, is now HIV positive according to her close friend, who I did fuck regularly back then.
...The mamasan doesn't have to have been in on the negotiation to know you're telling the truth and her girl is lying. If it even goes that far, you just tell her what the girl agreed to do in order to get you to pay the barfine and how it was all about "no" in the room. Yes, the girl will rattle off something in Thai denying it...And if it is as obvious a scam as it was in my cases, you won't be the first customer who has complained about being scammed by her.
Even if you don't get the barfine back and you get tired of waiting for a final decision, it is well worth the effort in the long run. Not a negative result from it in terms of your access to the girls in that bar, their future treatment of you, the stated "quality control" element of it for all concerned and so on.I agree with you. Only by complaining can we fix this issue. Otherwise, a lot of people will be scammed before the business goes belly up. Bad for everyone.
Apologies but that leads me to another very interesting question or three. LOL.
How much was the bar fine in those days in Soi Cowboy? I was there approx. 24 years ago (also PatPong) but to be honest I can't remember the exact BF figure. I could only guess it now.
What did you pay to the girl for Long Time? That one I do remember.
Did you ever take a ST in those days? I don't recall ever having one back then, at least not from a Cowboy girl.
I do remember backroom fucks in Patpong bars like Kangaroo and Annie's Rose. Possibly there was no BF for that, as girls did not leave the bar, or perhaps there was all inclusive fee shared between girl and the bar. I don't have any notes to remember fine details of those payments.
Did you really encounter a scamming girl back then that meant the BF needed to be refunded? I don't recall any girl so bad back then. I suppose I must have encountered some girls that were not great, but I really can't remember any of the total duds. Alzheimer's setting in I guess. What I do remember as a problem sometimes, was getting the girl to leave the next day. In some cases they just did not want to go at all, unless I went with them to wherever they were going. Some tended to stick like limpets. LOL.
Did you ever try the Thermae Soapy MP and the Thermae bar downstairs in those days?
My very first experience in Thailand was 32 years ago (was staying at the Ambassador with western wife), accidentally stumbling on a Soapy MP in Sukhumvit Soi 2 (most likely), on right side, not Annies, and may have been called something like "the Golden Gate", but really the name escapes me now and cannot find any history about it whatsoever. It's just I remember seeing the Tabacco Monopoly security gate at the end of the Soi. I have no idea what it's prices were, probably less than what I thought, and could not communicate with the naked Thai girl at all. I remember I had no condoms and was too scared to fuck and catch an STD. I assume everything may have been BB in those days. I don't know. Certainly Aids wasn't known.
One girl I met at the Thermae Massage 24 years ago, but never actually fucked, is now HIV positive according to her close friend, who I did fuck regularly back then.It seems to me the Soi Cowboy bar barfine back then was around 200-300 baht and I don't remember the LT vs ST situation. One reason I am vague about the Bangkok rates is because I really didn't spend much time in Bangkok back then. In those days, I high-tailed it to Pattaya on arrival and only spent the last night or two of a one or two week holiday in Bangkok on the way out. This was before the MRT, the BTS, and before they had passed stricter auto / motorbike exhaust and noise abatement laws. In my mind Bangkok was just a big, noisy, smoggy city, slicker and more expensive than Pattaya. Now my feelings about the two locations are reversed. I don't like Pattaya much at all but love Bangkok. 555.
I remember what a Short Time in Pattaya was going for around that time because, as a newbie, I overpaid dreadfully at first. A very cute Pattaya beer bar girl looked incredulously at the 900 baht I handed her after the deed and said something on the order of, "Honey, that is too much. You don't have to pay the ladies that much. " And then she kissed me and handed me back about 300 or maybe 400 baht of it. Swear to god. Which goes to your memory of there not being as many "bad girls" in those days. Not sure any P4 P girl anywhere in Thailand would be so helpful to a newbie customer these days. After that, paying a Pattaya beer bar girl about 400-500 baht or so was the norm. However, it was also about that time that I took a 15 year break between my multiple visits per year until I retired in Thailand a few years ago. So that is where the timeline takes a leap forward for me.
Well, actually I do recall there being a few "Yes in the bar, No in the room" scam experiences in both Bangkok and Pattaya in those days, just like today. But not as many as I encountered in Angeles City, the Philippines. I was there while the "good" (sarcasm) Doctor Mo, whom I met and knew casually, was busy buying up bars, putting together his consortium of farang Angeles City bar owners and having secret meetings to change the bargirl culture in that previous little slice of Heaven into Lady Drink Hustler Central. After which, the pay-upfront girls were literally instructed to behave more or less like the Coyote bait-and-switch scammers in Thailand now. It became all about hustling Lady Drinks and turning down enough offers for take-out as possible in order to stay in the bar and continue hustling Lady Drinks. Consequently, the pay-after (the portion of the money that goes to the girl, that is) system in Thailand was more appealing to me as a P4 P option and then, as now, an out-and-out scam would not be expected. But it did happen.
I also remember that when some of the bar management in Thailand got word from a customer that he'd been scammed, they cared and did something about it back then. They asked when they saw you again. They didn't wait until a scammed customer summoned up the guts to walk back in and pro-actively complain. I remember a mamasan at Tim's go-go bar in Pattaya being very upset to hear I had not gotten what had been agreed to by one of her girls the night before and offered me another girl free of barfine charge. Wow.
That was not the case in Angeles City. Not after Mo did his damage before selling his bars and moving on to, Cambodia, I think.
I was never much into the soapy or oily massage shop scene then or now. Just have had nothing but utterly forgettable (at best) service from the girls in them. Even when I tried several of them again in the past few years. I tried a couple of soapies back then and remember one in or around Patpong that had very young girls working there. Younger than you will see anywhere in any of the venues now. Different times.
On the BB issue, this would have been in the early to mid-90's so there was already a push for more condom use. But my memory of it was that it was merely seized upon by the girls as an opportunity to "up sell" to a better experience without a condom if you paid more. Quite openly so. It wasn't like a request to go BB was some outrageous moral lapse. The girls back then just perked up and made it known they would go BB for this or that extra baht. I remember one girl immediately suggesting a multiple night barfine take-out rather than a single night on the premise that she would feel ever so much more "comfortable" about it with a customer if she was booked for 3 or more nights in a row instead of just one. 555.
I remember going to Thermae Coffee Shop back then. But I think they had already moved from the previous, more legendary location by then.
Traveler1234
12-17-15, 18:14
Mid 80's:
BF 200-300.
ST / LT 500-1000 (max).
MP 800-1200 for two hours, multiple pops.
Never tried Oilies only soapies MP.
Fx was B40+ to US$1
Two soapies i most frequented included Darlings in Patpong and Bangkok Cozy (back then super upscale with sideliners that had their own suites with large jacuzzi). I remember doing my first "sandwich" at Bangkok Cozy, actually triple decker, ordered 3 girls at one time, LOL!
I stopped going to Bkk for about 10 years, from early 90's to 2003/2004. Then upon return, discovered WSG, eventually ISG.
Hello,
Thanks you for the tip. I do remember Oskar. I didn't realize there were FL there, as I thought many locals go there, or at least when it first arrive on the scene. But will check out. I am staying near by so I can do a casual walk through and see if I can spot any higher end FL. Any your thoughts on the prices for these girls for ST LT? They have nice cocktails from what I do remember. How is levels for FL?
Cheers,
U1
Try Oskar Bistro, same side of Soi 11 as Climax but further down almost where it ends, across from Levels Club (disco). Most nights around the time you mentioned (9-10 pm) there is a lot of higher end freelance tookie there looking for business. Some of them will head to Levels or other venues later. But they are more than up for an earlier escapade before then. As you can see in the link below, it is a restaurant and bar, not a disco. But if you spot a table with two or more very hot young Thai girls in very tight outfits checking their smartphones, you can bet they did not come there for the food.
Sport shorts (swimming trunk type), flip-flops and, as I recall, sleeveless t-shirts are not allowed according to their posted dress code.
http://www.oskar-bistro.com/
Thanks Syzy, helps a lot.
Agree, looking more to fill the 8 pm-10 pm time slot, as I have early Brazil Ju Ju training classes in the morning. Looking more for a FL to join me in my room in the evening rather than a soapie or oilie. It appears that the go-go bars could be a good bet. Maybe give Cowboy or Nana a try. I will do a walk by climax and someone on the forum also recommended the Oskars. Will also give Line and Tinder a try. Doesn't hurt. Any other reccos are much appreciate.
Cheers,
U1
Your title said near to Soi 11. Don't think that is very important really.
9 pm is much too early for discos. I never use discos, as not my time slots, and I just don't like the noise, dark, smoke and non-music. Sometimes a band type venue is O.K. Had to avert my gaze from guys tongue kissing the so-so looking LBs though. LOL
However 9PM is a bit on the late side for Soapies and Oilies. Optimal time for Oilies is probably 5. 30 PM (and upward) and 6. 30 PM for Soapies. IMHO, optimal time for go-go bars is 8 PM to 9 pm, as girls are arriving. Go-go bars definitely deteriorate after 1 AM IMHO.
In mornings, some MPS open at 10 or 11 AM, but likely to have weak line ups. Try the morning bars on Soi 4. "Morning Night" or "Stumble Inn" etc. Free lancers are available in Soi 4 even at 9 PM, some even good looking. Watch out for mostly ladyboys..
Member #4698
12-17-15, 23:40
Mid 80's:
BF 200-300.
ST / LT 500-1000 (max).
Fx was B40+ to US$1
I stopped going to Bkk for about 10 years, from early 90's to 2003/2004. Then upon return, discovered WSG, eventually ISG.I remember my first Go Go in '89: Queens Castle on Patpong 1. The total tab came to around 1400 or 1500 bt. That included 1 beer, 1 lady drink, the BF, a short time room across the street, and ST. Did I pay too much? 555. The girl was nice. She was my first Asian chick!
T1234, Where did you go during your hiatus of the early 90's to 2003? I spent a majority of my 90's trip time travelling around South America, but by the early 2000's I was becoming more and more focused on Asia. The last time I visited SA was 2007. Nowadays I am exclusively hooked on Asia. I love Asian girls.
Hello,
Thanks you for the tip. I do remember Oskar. I didn't realize there were FL there, as I thought many locals go there, or at least when it first arrive on the scene. But will check out. I am staying near by so I can do a casual walk through and see if I can spot any higher end FL. Any your thoughts on the prices for these girls for ST LT? They have nice cocktails from what I do remember. How is levels for FL?
Cheers,
U1I don't have first hand experience with picking up the select few FL I have seen in Oskar but assume the range is typical of FL in the more upscale discos like Levels and Mixx where they are likely headed later; 2,500 to 5,000ST, topping out around 10,000 for LT for the exceptionals. Check for girls sitting on the front, sidewalk side patio area where they can lock eyes with nicely dressed passers by and not just the more couples oriented crowd in the main bar / restaurant area.
Member #4611
12-18-15, 04:18
Check for girls sitting on the front, sidewalk side patio area where they can lock eyes with nicely dressed passers by and not just the more couples oriented crowd in the main bar / restaurant area.You also get girls inside sitting at the bar, nursing their cocktails for hours. Some not bad looking but probably as expensive as the cocktails. Maybe worth a punt, I've always been in with my girl.
FK
Mid 80's:
BF 200-300.
ST / LT 500-1000 (max).
MP 800-1200 for two hours, multiple pops.
Never tried Oilies only soapies MP.
Fx was B40+ to US$1
Two soapies i most frequented included Darlings in Patpong and Bangkok Cozy (back then super upscale with sideliners that had their own suites with large jacuzzi). I remember doing my first "sandwich" at Bangkok Cozy, actually triple decker, ordered 3 girls at one time, LOL!
I stopped going to Bkk for about 10 years, from early 90's to 2003/2004. Then upon return, discovered WSG, eventually ISG.Late 90's when I arrived- BF in Cowboy was 400 Baht, 500 in Nana. ST 1 k LT 1. 5 k. Exchange rate about 40 to 1. FLs in Thermae were ST 500 - 1 k. SWs 500. Night out with diner, drinks, and a ST was less than 75 USD.
Well, actually I do recall there being a few "Yes in the bar, No in the room" scam experiences in both Bangkok and Pattaya in those days, just like today.
I was never much into the soapy or oily massage shop scene then or now. Just have had nothing but utterly forgettable (at best) service from the girls in them. Even when I tried several of them again in the past few years. I tried a couple of soapies back then and remember one in or around Patpong that had very young girls working there. Younger than you will see anywhere in any of the venues now. Different times.
On the BB issue, this would have been in the early to mid-90's so there was already a push for more condom use. But my memory of it was that it was merely seized upon by the girls as an opportunity to "up sell" to a better experience without a condom if you paid more. Quite openly so. It wasn't like a request to go BB was some outrageous moral lapse. The girls back then just perked up and made it known they would go BB for this or that extra baht. I remember one girl immediately suggesting a multiple night barfine take-out rather than a single night on the premise that she would feel ever so much more "comfortable" about it with a customer if she was booked for 3 or more nights in a row instead of just one. 555.
I remember going to Thermae Coffee Shop back then. But I think they had already moved from the previous, more legendary location by then.Okay Quite possible old Thermae was gone by time you got there. I experienced the early Thermae bar and Soapy MP 24 years back. Was my favorite spot. Knew a few girls at Thermae. Progression to BB was not hard. No HIV known in those days. Only had to make sure she did not have Herpes. Other STDs easily treatable if had bad luck, and if had no girlfriend. A lot of semi-pros at the Thermae bar having regular jobs but needing a bit of extra money. Many guys got a lot of knock backs from the girls. The girls could be picky and look for a guy they liked before agreeing to go for the night.
I recall LT from Cowboy 24 years ago cost me 400 to 500 Baht. Like $25 in those days, so no reason not to have a girl with you ready for a nice fuck when you wake up. LOL. I would have thought the BF was likely to be well below 200 Baht but should ask my friend if he can remember. He had been coming to Thailand since quite a few years before me and remembers when getting a fuck for 100 Baht or so was not uncommon out in the provinces. T1234 suggests BF was 200-300 30 years ago and LT was 500-1000 30 years ago. I am sure I never paid as much as 1000 in Cowboy even was only 24 years ago. Perhaps prices did not change for a significant period. Perhaps prices in other places were higher, e.g. Pat Pong. The memory of detail fades. I do remember taking 3 girls from Pussy Galore on holiday to Koh Chang for 3 days approx. 20 to 22 years ago, and did not cost me a fortune. Actually I was only fucking one of them and two more just came along to keep her company but slept in a 2nd hut. The girl had a hot body, but if I look her photos now, face wasn't that special and nose was not that cute. More fussy these days.
Late 90's when I arrived- BF in Cowboy was 400 Baht, 500 in Nana. ST 1 k LT 1. 5 k. Exchange rate about 40 to 1. FLs in Thermae were ST 500 - 1 k. SWs 500. Night out with diner, drinks, and a ST was less than 75 USD.Ahh, those were the days. I really miss the 40:1 exchange rate. It looks like it may be edging closer to that again. I don't think we'll see 1500 baht LT again soon, unfortunately.
...I recall LT from Cowboy 24 years ago cost me 400 to 500 Baht. Like $25 in those days, so no reason not to have a girl with you ready for a nice fuck when you wake up. LOL.Of the two locations, the Philippines, particularly Angeles City, was considered by me and my fellow punters as better for a LT choice while Thailand was considered better for STs. Greater language and cultural differences re Thai girls vs Filipinas likely playing a part in that I'm sure. When you clicked, there just seemed to be more of a GFE with the Filipinas than with the Thai girls. And that justified spending the whole night and next morning with one. More romantic. Noticeably less mercenary.
Also, that was the sales pitch for a place like Angeles City; "Pay the bar and the girl stays with you all night. All-inclusive. No additional money required the next day. " Of course, as I mentioned earlier, that supposedly sweet "all-inclusive, pay-upfront" system had an eventual major downside if certain bar ownership mindsets prevailed. Which they did. Bank the money upfront in the bar, create a good reason for your customer to kick you out early, return to the bar asap and continue hustling Lady Drinks...no problem, no negative repercussions from the bar owners/management for pulling that stunt with their customers. Perhaps a pat on the butt and a bonus instead.
I don't remember doing many STs in the Philippines but only recall a couple of times in as many visits to Thailand where I wanted to stay with the same Thai girl for LT. Until I married a Thai-born girl in the USA, that is. 555.
Mid 80's:
BF 200-300.
ST / LT 500-1000 (max).
MP 800-1200 for two hours, multiple pops.
Never tried Oilies only soapies MP.
Fx was B40+ to US$1
Two soapies i most frequented included Darlings in Patpong and Bangkok Cozy (back then super upscale with sideliners that had their own suites with large jacuzzi). I remember doing my first "sandwich" at Bangkok Cozy, actually triple decker, ordered 3 girls at one time, LOL!
I stopped going to Bkk for about 10 years, from early 90's to 2003/2004. Then upon return, discovered WSG, eventually ISG.You must be suffering Alzheimer's too. You never got 40 Baht to the US dollar till late 90's. I have looked at the historical graphs. Early 80's the rate was under 25. You may recall an era when Thai Baht was not floated and was tied to US dollar. Late 80's was just over 25. You may recall Asian Financial crises in 1997 when rate sky rocketed to 50 then fell back to around 40.
I think you got your decades mixed up.
Also Darling Soapy is in Sukhumvit Soi 12. I don't remember Pat Pong having a Soapy called Darlings. Name mix up? I could be wrong as it is very hard to find any history info of Soapies that existed in the early 80s. I can't get any info about the one I visited in Sukhumvit Soi 2 in approx. 1983. I can recall maybe seeing Darling's sign from a distance mid 80s without knowing exactly where it was or visiting (did visit on Soi 12 about 1991) . I also recall passing Sahara in a taxi plenty of times. Was located on Sathorn close to Rama 4. Shut down long ago.
The 'Japanese style' BJ bar Bit Style is open again. I went there last Wednesday around 11 PM. There was only one girl available and although she was a little bit chubby she was attractive and a really nice girl. I don't recognize her on their website though. It might have been Zonya. She gave me good service including CIM at the end.
Prices went up with 100 THB compared to the first time I was there. A 40 minutes HJ session is now THB 1000 and a mixed HJ / BJ session THB 1400.
http://bitstylebkk.com/en/
The 'Japanese style' BJ bar Bit Style is open again. I went there last Wednesday around 11 PM. There was only one girl available and although she was a little bit chubby she was attractive and a really nice girl. I don't recognize her on their website though. It might have been Zonya. She gave me good service including CIM at the end.
Prices went up with 100 THB compared to the first time I was there. A 40 minutes HJ session is now THB 1000 and a mixed HJ / BJ session THB 1400.
http://bitstylebkk.com/en/Are you Japanese? What made this place of interest above other BJ joints, to you? Its not the cheapest place for BJ and I certainly would not pay 1000 for a HJ (not ever going for a HJ). However is it that the girls are better looking (to some)? Can the girls be negotiated up to a fuck?
I wouldn't want a chubby one personally, but one pictured with hand on hip on web site could be my type where most have that artificial look Japanese guys seem to like.
I don't know what Bit Style means. Nothing to do with Bit-coin or computer bits? Perhaps the name should be ignored.
Apparently the 7-11's and Family Marts don't sell SIM cards anymore (maybe because the mandatory registration takes too much time?) I was redirected to a phone shop at the ground level of Nana Square mall, at the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 3. I bought a Happy Tourist SIM 7-day Package there for 399 Baht.
Later on I noticed they had cut out a small part of the packaging. I checked the DTAC website and found out they cut out the real price: 299 Baht. See https://www.dtac.co.th/en/prepaid/.
Did some googling and found out I was not the first to be scammed: http://www.desiyatri.com/2014/01/thailand-sim-card-scam.html.
I've always bought my SIM cards at a 7-11 and I've never been scammed. Now that's not possible anymore I will for sure pay more attention.
To avoid scams you can order a SIM card online and pick it up at the airport upon arrival.
Are you Japanese? What made this place of interest above other BJ joints, to you? Its not the cheapest place for BJ and I certainly would not pay 1000 for a HJ (not ever going for a HJ). However is it that the girls are better looking (to some)? Can the girls be negotiated up to a fuck?
I wouldn't want a chubby one personally, but one pictured with hand on hip on web site could be my type where most have that artificial look Japanese guys seem to like.
I don't know what Bit Style means. Nothing to do with Bit-coin or computer bits? Perhaps the name should be ignored.Do a search for 'Bit Style' on this forum and you will find some reports, including one of my first visit to this place.
No I'm not Japanese, not even Asian. Bit Style just has (much) better looking girls in a nicer setting (the place looks brand new) compared to your average BJ bar.
But I agree it's expensive. So is it worth the money? I guess that depends on the girl you choose, her skills and personality and the 'chemistry' you have with her. As always YMMV.
Officially FS is not on the menu, but again YMMV.
I don't know either what Bit Style means. Maybe it's a variation on Gangnam Style?
I have stopped into Bit Style four times since it first opened. Then there was that long break when it was closed. Of the four times I went, I only chose a girl three of those times. A fourth time the lineup was just not inspiring enough for me to choose any of them and I took a pass altogether. The 3 times I did take a girl, I took the only one of about four in the lineup that wasn't chubby, plain or wouldn't be among my least likely choices if I had seen them at, say, Som's Haven, Kasalong Bar or L0 litas Bar. I always hear about how much hotter the girls are supposed to be at this place than can be found at the BJ Bar competition around town. Their website used to tout that as one of their strong points and business missions. But I have yet to see it. In each of my 4 visits it would have been easy for me to find more younger, cuter, alert and sparkling little ladies on either shift at Kasalong Bar or L0 lita's than I saw in the entire lineup at Bit Style.
However, I realize these things can change in a matter of minutes and maybe I just missed all the young hotties that are supposedly working there.
But the skill level was a bigger problem for me. Of the three girls I did choose at Bit Style only 1 was capable of responding to my request to please slow down and be more gentle. That experience was quite nice actually. The other 2 were stubbornly determined to break the jack-hammer speed record if they didn't snap off my dick first and would not under any circumstances change their "bit style" for more than a stroke or two before reverting right back to the jack-hammer speed race. I aborted those missions before enough damage was done to my package to put me out of commission for a couple of days.
As you can imagine, at this point I have no idea why that place charges almost double what their competition within a moderate walk or short taxi ride charges. As usual, YMMV.
Traveler1234
12-18-15, 15:28
You must be suffering Alzheimer's too.
Also Darling Soapy is in Sukhumvit Soi 12. The Darlings was located behind Silom Rd and the old Robinson Department store. Across the back parking lot of Landmark Hotel.
As far as fx rates, honestly don't remember. LOL.
I have no idea why that place charges almost double what their competition within a moderate walk or short taxi ride charges. Japanese gladly pay more for everything!
You can purchase a SIM at the airport without having to reserve it in advance. After custom, when you come out make a right, you'll see the True SIM booth. All they need is your passport and your phone unlocked. Took me about 10 minutes. Got a 30 day, 4 G data plan for 500 Baht.
PaulAlbert
12-19-15, 04:47
Hi guys,
This will be my third trip to Thailand, first however without 'company'. Any suggestions or recommendations for the best beer bars with sexy Thai ladies around Nana? I will be staying close to Nana plaza and will do my hunting mostly there.
As you can imagine, at this point I have no idea why that place charges almost double what their competition within a moderate walk or short taxi ride charges. As usual, YMMV.If I am not visiting a specific girl, at any venue, I would never have a 3 out of 4 success rate in choosing a girl. As you say line ups are not inspiring at all times.
Seeing you don't describe girls very positively, one wonders what caused tou to go there 4 times and pay extra for a bad service. Okay One girl was good enough. Could have booked her again. I.
Anyhow, mystifying that you had 4 visits and stayed 3 times. Why? Your negative impression seems to have arrived very slowly.
The Darlings was located behind Silom Rd and the old Robinson Department store. Across the back parking lot of Landmark Hotel.
As far as fx rates, honestly don't remember. LOL.I did check the Fx rates.
In 1991, Darling was already in Sukhumvit Soi 12 but could it be there were two of them at the time or did Darling move sometime earlier? I have a faint memory of being able to see the Darling sign from a distance on my 1983 trip to Bangkok or subsequently and it is possible that was in Silom. Sahara was also visible from a distance.
The internet is great for recent history of things but getting info for the 80's is almost impossible.
Pipe Layer99
12-19-15, 07:59
..... Bear in mind, my examples involved going back to the bar that very night, as soon as possible after the girl changed her mind about doing what she agreed to do in the bar in order to get me to pay her barfine or to do anything else of interest to me for that matter. I was not talking about returning the next day to request a barfine refund for non-performance. But I have gone back the next day to inform the mamasan that she's got a verified scammer working in her bar who is driving paying and potential repeat customers away.
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Snip ... The fault was mine in not getting an unambiguous "yes" reply from her to what would inspire me to pay her barfine in the bar and take her out.Catching up on the discussions here. I know this is the Bangkok thread. The same applies everywhere.
About 2 years back I was in the mood and was cruising the gogos in the LK metro area in Pattaya. I usually don't pay gogo barfines. I prefer freelance girls and don't like the buy me drink (BMD) BS that's found in the gogos. That is unless I am in there to only have fun and grab ass and tits, then by all means, I will buy the girl I like a drink or two before moving on to the next place. However, on this particular night, I was looking for some take out. The girl I liked came over after dancing. We made made small talk and went on with all the getting to know you stuff. She seemed ok and easy to talk with so I asked her if she barfines. She said yes. So I said ok, I want to barfine you and then we will go back to my room for boom boom. She agreed. Since the vibe was going well (and looking at the sexy ladies on stage), I suggested we can have a drink together and then we will go to my room. OK. Ordered a drink, then another. Now it's time to go. I called a lady over to pay the tab. My girl says lets go party on walking st. I said not today, we can go party in my room. I have beer, whiskey, etc. She say no, I want to go to walking st first. We can go do this and that and ... I told her no baby, I want to pay the bafine and we can go back to my room for boom boom. I asked her, you want to go change? She got all pissy and insists on going out. That was her chance the get on board and she blew it. I reminded her what we talked about 20 minutes ago so she could see the light and get with the program. But she wanted shit her way (and she wanted to party with MY money) so forget it. By that time, the waitress comes back with the tab. I told her to call mamasan over. Instead a guy comes over. I explained to him what happened and said I asked the girl first if she wants to go with me for boom boom and she agreed. After she agreed, I said ok I will pay the barfine, we can have a drink then go to my room. Now she wants to go to walking st. I told the guy, I am NOT paying a barfine to go party, I wanted to go party in my room. And I don't want to pay for her drinks because now she changed her mind after I asked her to barfine first! I explained that this is not ok with me. They exchanged words for a minute. The guy walks away and went to the counter. I wasn't sure what was going to happen but I waited a few minutes and finished my drink. In just 2 minutes, he brought me back a new tab without her two drinks. That meant she will have to buy her own drinks for reneging on the deal. I paid for my drinks and left. Now mind you, if the guy brought me the original tab, I would have just paid it and left. I'm not going to lose sleep over 300 baht. But it's the principle of the matter. So sometimes things can work in your favor. But you have to say something. The girl was all pissed off and flashing dirty looks as she sat on the other side of the bar. Funny how she is pissed because of her own BS. Now I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that I had been in that gogo a few times already over the last 2 weeks or so and have spent money on the girls. So the staff knew my face. That may have helped the cause.
Because of this type of crap I always screen the girls first. If she is all about BMD and not giving me straight answers to what I want, I cut them loose. This goes for freelance, bar girls, and the occasional gogo girl that I might want to barfine. If more guys would simply let the staff know what happened, things can sometimes work differently for you and the next guy. But you have to ask upfront for what you want. If it goes to shit, tell them before you go. They will understand that they just lost barfine money and perhaps another customer.
Pipe Layer99
12-19-15, 08:14
I remember my first Go Go in '89: Queens Castle on Patpong 1. The total tab came to around 1400 or 1500 bt. That included 1 beer, 1 lady drink, the BF, a short time room across the street, and ST. Did I pay too much? 555. The girl was nice. She was my first Asian chick!
Damn the 80's. Some of you guys must have had it pretty it good. I didn't start coming to Asia until 4 years ago. And I didn't start doing this stuff until 9 years ago, back in 2006. First time was in Rio. I kinda wish I had started sooner :). But I learned the ropes pretty fast.
Last Saturday had a drink at cowboy. I like to have a drink outside and watch people passing by before calling of in the air-con and having some fun with the girls. I noticed more and more western ladies and backpackers visiting the Soi. At first they are a bit hesitant to enter, have a drink outside and mainly looking confused or judgmental. Some of them dear to go inside to have a look.
I don't mind what they do, as long as I can enjoy my drink and the views. And some of the girls are nice to watch https://youtu.be/bmbeD9ktWKA.
If I am not visiting a specific girl, at any venue, I would never have a 3 out of 4 success rate in choosing a girl. As you say line ups are not inspiring at all times.
Seeing you don't describe girls very positively, one wonders what caused tou to go there 4 times and pay extra for a bad service. Okay One girl was good enough. Could have booked her again. I.
Anyhow, mystifying that you had 4 visits and stayed 3 times. Why? Your negative impression seems to have arrived very slowly.I never saw the same girl in their lineup twice. I returned because of ongoing positive reviews by others. One of those visits was to choose a specific girl that had been recommended highly to me by someone whose opinion I otherwise found to be of value. But she turned out to be one of the impossible to adjust girls.
I love BJ Bars and feel new ones ought to be encouraged and good ones supported whenever possible. Since this was a new one and my first visit was almost immediately after it opened, I was willing to give it an extra shot or two to find their groove, get up to snuff as one might a new restaurant in town. I wouldn't have returned to, say, Lolipop 1 as many times to give it a chance since it has been up and running for ages.
BTW, to another point made by Amjeck, I never saw a Japanese customer entering, exiting or waiting in the lobby of Bit Style any of the times I visited or the several times I've passed by. Has anyone else? But I understand that is supposedly the origin of this BJ Bar's concept.
I spent close to 23 days in Thailand, BKK, Khon Kaen, Udon Thani, Phuket, Hua Hin. Great time and fun with several different ladies. I did not hire anyone since I had a lady almost every place. In BKK, Tinder has a great selection and you can find someone to be be with you in few hours of communicating. I had several ladies. Many 8-9 and one Chinese 5 which I dumped in a Starbucks. (I was the runner).
Hi,
I am coming to South East Asia in January for 3 months. Thailand, Cambodia and The Philippines. Bangkok will be my first stopover for a few days before I move on. I am not really into Soi Cowboy / Nana Go Go Bars, prices attitude and only ST is not a option for me. I much prefer to just sit at a bar, build a rapport with a girl and bar fine her for LT. Boom Boom in the morning before and after breakfast. (I have done this before many times). Whilst looking at the many You Tube video's of Sukhumvit Road I came across Queens Park Plaza. Has anybody got any info on this place, it looks OK, but would appreciate some comments. Thanks.
Traveler1234
12-19-15, 18:48
In 1991, Darling was already in Sukhumvit Soi 12 but could it be there were two of them at the time or did Darling move sometime earlier? My office was right next to Robinson's on Silom and I always stayed at Landmark in early 80's. And walked to Darling often. Back then Patpong was the hot spot, never even ventured to Nana or Cowboy Soi. Then as mentioned earlier I stopped visiting for more than a decade.
After many complaints about the bill not being right, CH has implemented a new policy.
Each bill sheet that comes, the customer has sign on it to say he agrees with the number of drinks and their prices. The sheets are then stabled together. At the end, it is totalled up and customer signs again to say he is happy with the total, and to see all the sheets making up the total. I merely count all my drinks and since they are either 160 or 170, I have a very good idea of what the total should be close to. I have not really had any problems, other than once or twice suspecting total seemed wrong (when not keeping track). However any customer can be forgetful if he does not actually count the drinks.
If the girl requests 2 drinks from the waitress, she will check with me. I can either accept or say no, just one drink for the girl.
Hopefully no more scams or suspected scams.
Oom (91?) returned after an absence. Lost weight to go back her sexiest look. Pretty face, small nice tits, but a goer on the bed. Tonight met a girl with flaming red hair and a great body called Mild, a good dancer, on her 1st or 2nd night. Did not BF her, as I had had action earlier already. Overall line up O.K. but not at its absolute best. Paeng and Ging missing, for example.
One night recently saw a couple of Annies girls (I believe) with a customer in CH. One definitely an Annies girl since she said Hello to me.
Banana Boi
12-19-15, 23:49
That's a good change. I didn't have any issues at CH and I ordered 21 drinks total. In every club I make it a point to let the waitresses see me checking the bill every time I get it back so it's known up front I'm monitoring closely.
That's a good change. I didn't have any issues at CH and I ordered 21 drinks total. In every club I make it a point to let the waitresses see me checking the bill every time I get it back so it's known up front I'm monitoring closely.What did you think of CH? 21 drinks in one night or was that over a couple of nights?
Banana Boi
12-20-15, 00:38
What did you think of CH? 21 drinks in one night or was that over a couple of nights?I liked it. Most of the girls were decent. Nice to see them full nude. Comparable to some of the better Pattaya gogo clubs but definitely fewer girls than Pattaya clubs. I hung out with Fein #42. If I remember correctly, the other girls who joined us were #60 and #95. I thought the Baccara girls were better than CH but I prefer the Westernized Asian look over traditional look.
21 in about 2 hours. I was there with 2 Gogo girls from Pattaya.
JesseJames
12-20-15, 04:54
I liked it. Most of the girls were decent. Nice to see them full nude. Comparable to some of the better Pattaya gogo clubs but definitely fewer girls than Pattaya clubs. I hung out with Fein #42. If I remember correctly, the other girls who joined us were #60 and #95. I thought the Baccara girls were better than CH but I prefer the Westernized Asian look over traditional look.
21 in about 2 hours. I was there with 2 Gogo girls from Pattaya.Only a few girls were totally nude last night, most had little skirts. Lately, they are kind of big and even porky. Watch your check and be sure you collect your change. They've begun to forget coming back with the change. I don't like being hustled like that and I'm not going back.
Watch your check and be sure you collect your change. They've begun to forget coming back with the change. I don't like being hustled like that and I'm not going back.One reason I always buy stuff at 7-11 with 1000 baht bills, I like to have a large variety of bills to pay close to what the bar bill is going to total. Also helps to keep a running tab on what your bill is going to add up in a place that gives you a bill for every drink (vs a new total slip). Once a bar lets customers be overcharged and hustled its almost impossible to get rid of that practice.
Banana Boi
12-20-15, 06:34
Watch your check and be sure you collect your change. They've begun to forget coming back with the change. Had this happen to me at Windmill by a waitress who I didn't recognize. Luckily for me the 2 waitresses who knew me went to confront her at my request. I could see one of them literally yelling at her. I had given the waitress 1000 baht on a 680 baht or so bar tab. I likely would have topped up to 800 baht but because the waitress tried to scam me I took her tip, turned around to the stage and gave the balance of the 1000 baht to 2 gogo girls I knew on stage.
Breadman has a point with the smaller bills. I'll add that I also learned to get the final bill from the waitresses you get along with and has been serving you, if possible, rather than a girl who you are not familiar with.
I didn't return to Windmill after that incident. Left a sour taste in my mouth.
Only a few girls were totally nude last night, most had little skirts. Lately, they are kind of big and even porky. Watch your check and be sure you collect your change. They've begun to forget coming back with the change. I don't like being hustled like that and I'm not going back.I disagree on all points. Last night the number of girls wearing skirts (no panties) and bras was not exceeding the number of naked girls. The exception could be at 7. 30 pm before many of the nude girls have arrived. By 8. 30 was fine and also fine at midnight when I returned for a short time. I don't particularly like girls wearing bras, but some are still hiding quite nice tits
Most girls were slim last night. Very few fatties while I was there in fact can't really remember any at all. Maybe a few with ass bigger than my spec. Nothing horrible. That compares to Mercury bar I also visited where all gogo girls bar 3, had fat asses.
I have never had any problems with the change excepting for a fat mamsan who was fired in the past. Change may arrive slowly sometimes. Okay Doesn't mean it could not happen to someone else.
Interesting how Banana Boi likes the westerned Asian look at Bacarra. I don't and like the real Thai look at CH. There are a few nose jobs and tit jobs but it does not dominate. Hair colouring does not bother me. Weird hair hiding the face does bother me but that is rare. Not as many pretty faces as I would like. The standard did drop since CH first started. Hard to find enough really pretty girls. As long as I can find one or two I am happy. I like how almost all the girls on the stage can be seen from a suitable seat.
Wolvenvacht
12-20-15, 09:34
I am not really into Soi Cowboy / Nana Go Go Bars, prices attitude and only ST is not a option for me. I much prefer to just sit at a bar, build a rapport with a girl and bar fine her for LT. Boom Boom in the morning before and after breakfast.I got my LTs almost exclusively from agogo bars in Soi Cowboy so it certainly is available and the great plus is that you can already see the girl in the nude, so there are no unpleasant surprises when she undresses in your room.
On Soi 4 about 50 meters past Nana car park there are now many young girls looking very sexy in shorts on scooters parked there looking for mongers, according to a bud who is in BKK but unfortunately he went down with a Flu before he could check them out.
Anyone here seen them or sampled what's on offer?
Must be a Saigon hooking trend coming to Banghkok.
JesseJames
12-21-15, 03:37
I disagree on all points. Last night the number of girls wearing skirts (no panties) and bras was not exceeding the number of naked girls. The exception could be at 7. 30 pm before many of the nude girls have arrived. By 8. 30 was fine and also fine at midnight when I returned for a short time. I don't particularly like girls wearing bras, but some are still hiding quite nice tits
Most girls were slim last night. Very few fatties while I was there in fact can't really remember any at all. Maybe a few with ass bigger than my spec. Nothing horrible. That compares to Mercury bar I also visited where all gogo girls bar 3, had fat asses.
I have never had any problems with the change excepting for a fat mamsan who was fired in the past. Change may arrive slowly sometimes. Okay Doesn't mean it could not happen to someone else.
Interesting how Banana Boi likes the westerned Asian look at Bacarra. I don't and like the real Thai look at CH. There are a few nose jobs and tit jobs but it does not dominate. Hair colouring does not bother me. Weird hair hiding the face does bother me but that is rare. Not as many pretty faces as I would like. The standard did drop since CH first started. Hard to find enough really pretty girls. As long as I can find one or two I am happy. I like how almost all the girls on the stage can be seen from a suitable seat.I don't care what you disagree with. I know what I saw and don't like waiting a long time for my change like a sucker.
I don't care what you disagree with. I know what I saw and don't like waiting a long time for my change like a sucker.This is Thailand with Thai levels of efficency. I wait a hell of a long time for my change in an MK restaurant. Much longer than CH.
CH possibily has only one person dealing with the cash. They possibly now have extra overgead to check customer signatures on each sheet and on the total being paid. One can imagine delay if several people pay their bill at approx.
The same time. Saturday night was fairly busy.
I have a long delay to receive a drink order on occasions too, but not consistently.
Has anyone been to Hooters? Any feedback will be nice even if it is a good eating joint.
Hi,
I am coming to South East Asia in January for 3 months. Thailand, Cambodia and The Philippines. Bangkok will be my first stopover for a few days before I move on. I am not really into Soi Cowboy / Nana Go Go Bars, prices attitude and only ST is not a option for me. I much prefer to just sit at a bar, build a rapport with a girl and bar fine her for LT. Boom Boom in the morning before and after breakfast. (I have done this before many times). Whilst looking at the many You Tube video's of Sukhumvit Road I came across Queens Park Plaza. Has anybody got any info on this place, it looks OK, but would appreciate some comments. Thanks.It's a group of beer bars, fine for what you're looking for. As you already know if you've explored the soi's off of Sukhumvit, there are a ton of options in the general area that are ideal for your modus operandi.
Has anyone been to Hooters? Any feedback will be nice even if it is a good eating joint.I see there is a Hooter's under construction right opposite (well near anyway) to Nana Plaza. Obviously will have girls with big tits, fake or real but clothed, maybe ladyboys too? Not much interest from me, unless stunning girls. I have never ever been to a Hooters. I prefer topless to see quality of the tits.
Wolvenvacht
12-21-15, 08:14
I see there is a Hooter's under construction right opposite (well near anyway) to Nana Plaza. Obviously will have girls with big tits, fake or real but clothed, maybe ladyboys too? Not much interest from me, unless stunning girls. I have never ever been to a Hooters. I prefer topless to see quality of the tits.If it is a *real* Hooters (part of the US chain) then it will probably be eye-candy only and not for local or home consumption.
Anyhow, I don't like big-titted girls and why anyone would eat US-style food in BKK is beyond me.
Banana Boi
12-21-15, 08:17
Hooters food is terrible in North America so I can't see it any better in BKK. Gambling at the Hooters casino in Vegas OTH is sweet.
JesseJames
12-21-15, 11:33
On Soi 4 about 50 meters past Nana car park there are now many young girls looking very sexy in shorts on scooters parked there looking for mongers, according to a bud who is in BKK but unfortunately he went down with a Flu before he could check them out.
Anyone here seen them or sampled what's on offer?
Must be a Saigon hooking trend coming to Banghkok.Those girls are just using those bikes as benches.
Hooters food is terrible in North America so I can't see it any better in BKK. Gambling at the Hooters casino in Vegas OTH is sweet.The Hooters Daytona Beach Style wings are absolutely delicious. And I don't like to gamble. At least not with money anyway LOL!
Arrived last Sunday evening and kept my powder dry, except for a he massage on SOI 8, not known for these extras.
On this last Saturday, I decided to try my hand at Bangkok Beat. It's not for everybody as this is a club with loud rock music in somewhat dingy surroundings. However, there is no BF and a multitude of local talent shopping their wares. Quite a few long in the tooth and well established at various bar stools though gems can be found for the sharp eyed.
I first set my glaze at a dark skinned lustrous hair gal wearing a tank top, wash board stomach, and tight jeans.
Showing off ample cleavage for a Thai girl, she even was blowing off a few intrepid souls
who made their way over. Initially, I could not establish eye contact either though she ultimately glanced my way with a come hither look. Blowing off the sad eyed elderly gimlets seated next to me, I strolled over for the chat.
Things started off slow in our convo until I realized that some game was required here so mentioned my plans to travel to Chiang Mai in a few weeks and how I would like some company. She immediately perked up and we were dirty dancing in no time. After a short interlude, she asked if I could buy her a (ethanol!) tequila for her and her two friends. I spied one to the right of her who I had the worse experience last winter in all my time in Bangkok. Strike one. Told her that I would buy her a drink only. Not to be denied, the drink order came with one Heineken and two tequilas. Strike 2. We proceeded to dance (so to speak) and in several minutes got to the pricing. She initially said 3 k bhat and implied it was for Short Term. I indicated with my fingers 2 k. She countered with 2. 5 k but emphasized short term. I held firm at 2, whereupon she said ok 2 k but ONE hour only. Realizing I was headed for a disastrous session, I asked for her phone number as a saving face measure for her girl friends, which she declined to offer.
I then left, not forgetting to smirk at her girl friend who left me cold last year, I stood outside on their front porch and shortly thereafter she and her friends left and climbed in a taxi. Though, she did leave her almost full Heineken behind that I quickly picked up. Hey! I bought her the damn thing. Then returned to the bar interior.
But I struck gold as there were three real cute girls standing just inside the entrance. I struck up a convo with one as an older chap pursued one of the others. She told me she had worked today on SOI 31 and made some finger tapping motions, which I thought meant she was a receptionist until later when I realized she worked at a massage place on SOI 31.
Anyway, she agreed to 2 k bh for long term on the condition I did not bang her all night and was ok with two times. She probably had a lot of action at the massage place that day! I went to the john for a moment and when I returned my friend tried to jack up the price to 3 k, which I declined. Probably one of the regulars tried to set her straight on current LT prices in there. However, she told me her friend who had just left with the older guy had OFFERRED her friend 5 k bh for Long Term. Unbelievable.
As for me, this girl was just GFE wonderful. Probably the best, erotic, and longest shower I ever took in Thailand. When we climbed in bed, she asked me after some spirited DATY on my part, whether I would like to 69 to which I readily agreed. This was followed by some nice doggie and sleep. True to her word, she rejected my advances in the morning but I was more than happy with my experience. May return, Actually.
Pipe Layer99
12-21-15, 14:58
... After a short interlude, she asked if I could buy her a (ethanol!) tequila for her and her two friends. I spied one to the right of her who I had the worse experience last winter in all my time in Bangkok. Strike one. Told her that I would buy her a drink only. Not to be denied, the drink order came with one Heineken and two tequilas. ... snip
Anyway, she agreed to 2 k bh for long term on the condition I did not bang her all night and was ok with two times. ... snip
As for me, this girl was just GFE wonderful. Probably the best, erotic, and longest shower I ever took in Thailand. When we climbed in bed, she asked me after some spirited DATY on my part, whether I would like to 69 to which I readily agreed. This was followed by some nice doggie and sleep. True to her word, she rejected my advances in the morning but I was more than happy with my experience. May return, Actually.IMO, when a girl I'm talking to starts asking me to buy HER friends drinks, I will seriously consider cutting her off. Now, if I do decide to buy her (and only her) a drink, and she orders 3, she is going to end up paying for the other 2 drinks. Why, because she is treating a man and potential 'paying' customer like a sucker. If I am willing to buy her a drink it's because I am interested in HER. Her friends aren't doing anything for me and I am not there for them. There is no reason the accept that crap.
With the 2nd girl, the one for LT, she agreed to 2 x. But in the morning she doesn't want to play. She would have received less than the amount agreed on because she didn't want to perform in the morning. It's pretty simple. She agreed to 2x but only gave 1, so she worked less. What's the sense of keeping a woman for LT with a LT price attached if she isn't going to perform the next day? She should only get ST money. One could easily agree to ST at a ST price. Then if she stays all night, and does not perform in the morning, no one loses out.
That's my 02.
Anyway, she agreed to 2 k bh for long term on the condition I did not bang her all night and was ok with two times. She probably had a lot of action at the massage place that day! I went to the john for a moment and when I returned my friend tried to jack up the price to 3 k, which I declined. Probably one of the regulars tried to set her straight on current LT prices in there. However, she told me her friend who had just left with the older guy had OFFERRED her friend 5 k bh for Long Term. Unbelievable.
Not unbelievable at all. 2 K is indeed bargain basement price for LT. Plenty of bargirls will not do ST for that price, however freelancers on the street etc. Yes of course will do ST for that or less.
Simply, 2K was not enough for LT with a morning screw.
Watch out for Ladyboys. A percentage of the "girls" in Bangkok Beat.
Anyhow, I don't like big-titted girls and why anyone would eat US-style food in BKK is beyond me.I do eat western food in Bangkok for variety, and also Japanese, Korean, etc. I get bored with Thai food continually, plus I eat rice or noodles rarely, few coconut curries, and Thai salads are too powerful with chilis and raw onions. Don't like sugar and MSG to be included in stir fries. Perhaps the western food is not US style. There are places that make quality western food. It is more expensive than Thai of course. I eat lamb often, beef steak from time to time, onion soup, misc vegetables, good quality burgers, spicy apple pie, etc.
You need to read my post more carefully or otherwise you consider a '69' leading to orgasm as a non-qualifier. After the 69, I did her doggie and we both had a nice O and then slept. She had already told me beforehand that she would go LT at this price but she would only have sex two times. I consider 69 with orgasm as sex. She was honest about it and I am not going to quibble about the nature of my orgasm and also had a good time with her overall. Enough said. Additionally, as the other poster mentioned, this is a good LT price to begin with.
As far as the other girl ordering an additional drink for her friend, I guess that I could have told her to pay for it herself but that might have killed the deal at the time (Cheap Charlie et. Al) and the extra drink price was not expensive. I also thought (and hoped) perhaps she did not hear me or understand due to the noise. I ended up self-sabotaging the deal with her because as I said I sensed overall things might not go so great back at the hotel. Part of my reasoning had to do with the extra drink she ordered.
I have heard rumors before about LB's in there but have never encountered or seen any, even in over heard conversation, in the two winters I have been going. I do see some LB's sometimes stroll by as there may be a LB bar further up that Soi.
I told a couple of guys about the 5 k baht price. All were surprised though it may have to do with the venue. I am sure Aloft, Spassos, etc. Girls can command that price but Bangkok Beat is another story.
IMO, when a girl I'm talking to starts asking me to buy HER friends drinks, I will seriously consider cutting her off. Now, if I do decide to buy her (and only her) a drink, and she orders 3, she is going to end up paying for the other 2 drinks. Why, because she is treating a man and potential 'paying' customer like a sucker. If I am willing to buy her a drink it's because I am interested in HER. Her friends aren't doing anything for me and I am not there for them. There is no reason the accept that crap.
With the 2nd girl, the one for LT, she agreed to 2 x. But in the morning she doesn't want to play. She would have received less than the amount agreed on because she didn't want to perform in the morning. It's pretty simple. She agreed to 2x but only gave 1, so she worked less. What's the sense of keeping a woman for LT with a LT price attached if she isn't going to perform the next day? She should only get ST money. One could easily agree to ST at a ST price. Then if she stays all night, and does not perform in the morning, no one loses out.
That's my 02.
Pipe Layer99
12-21-15, 17:03
You never mentioned anything about a 69 'leading to an orgasm' . Your last paragraph is attached. So based on what YOU wrote, the conclusion was 1 pop.
You need to read my post more carefully or otherwise you consider a '69' leading to orgasm as a non-qualifier. After the 69, I did her doggie and we both had a nice O and then slept. She had already told me beforehand that she would go LT at this price but she would only have sex two times. I consider 69 with orgasm as sex. She was honest about it and I am not going to quibble about the nature of my orgasm and also had a good time with her overall. Enough said. Additionally, as the other poster mentioned, this is a good LT price to begin with.
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... As for me, this girl was just GFE wonderful. Probably the best, erotic, and longest shower I ever took in Thailand. When we climbed in bed, she asked me after some spirited DATY on my part, whether I would like to 69 to which I readily agreed. This was followed by some nice doggie and sleep. True to her word, she rejected my advances in the morning but I was more than happy with my experience. May return, Actually.
I do eat western food in Bangkok for variety, and also Japanese, Korean, etc. I get bored with Thai food continually, plus I eat rice or noodles rarely, few coconut curries, and Thai salads are too powerful with chilis and raw onions. Don't like sugar and MSG to be included in stir fries. Perhaps the western food is not US style. There are places that make quality western food. It is more expensive than Thai of course. I eat lamb often, beef steak from time to time, onion soup, misc vegetables, good quality burgers, spicy apple pie, etc.I am a great fan of sizzler's in BKK, I don't know much about steaks as I am not so experienced but in my heart and stomach it has one of the best steaks in BKK and this place is super cool. I usually go to the one located in Siam discovery or Siam center on the top floor I don't remember which one but there is a glass bridge which locates both these malls and it is just next to the bridge opposite to the Japanese sushi place. The food is awesome and you can eat as much salad as you can when you buy the steak I don't eat much but one of my ex Thai GF's who used to study in university took me here for the first time and I fell in love with the place and the vibe. Must have gone with her and her friends a couple of times, she moved to us for higher studies but I just loved this place. You come here and you can easily spend 2 hrs eating all you can in just under 500 thb cheap I suppose. The best part now is that this place is a hangout for many of the university girls or groups for lunch so I just love to hang around here in the afternoon in between my work schedule. Have taken a couple of other decent Thai FL's here for a lunch or early evening dinner and this place is always buzzing with activity.
Alex
It's mentioned in the middle of my last paragraph. I did not mention an orgasm though since hopefully, for most of us, that is a foregone conclusion. As I said, read more carefully before editorializing.
You never mentioned anything about a 69 'leading to an orgasm' . Your last paragraph is attached. So based on what YOU wrote, the conclusion was 1 pop.
Member #4698
12-21-15, 19:11
it's mentioned in the It'middle of my last paragraph. I did not mention an orgasm though since hopefully, for most of us, that is a foregone conclusion.It sounds like you had a real good time and that is the only thing that matters, but technically speaking, I would never conclude that a 69 led to an orgasm because I consider 69 foreplay and I always end it before my climax. Don't get me wrong. I love 69. There is something about it that really turns me on, but I love my dick buried deep inside a girl's vagina even more. My point of view only: it ain't sex if I don't cum in the pussy. 555.
Wolvenvacht
12-21-15, 20:04
I do eat western food in Bangkok for variety, and also Japanese, Korean, etc. I get bored with Thai food continually, plus I eat rice or noodles rarely, few coconut curries, and Thai salads are too powerful with chilis and raw onions. Don't like sugar and MSG to be included in stir fries. Perhaps the western food is not US style. There are places that make quality western food. It is more expensive than Thai of course. I eat lamb often, beef steak from time to time, onion soup, misc vegetables, good quality burgers, spicy apple pie, etc.I do like variety and Bangkok is great for the many kinds of food available. But US (fast) food is really somewhere down on my list. Only exception, when my companion craves for this kind of food, I won't spoil the mood and get a nice return on my investment in crappy food.
Wolvenvacht
12-21-15, 20:05
My point of view only: it ain't sex if I don't cum in the pussy. 555.Echoes of Bill "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton.
I see there is a Hooter's under construction right opposite (well near anyway) to Nana Plaza. Obviously will have girls with big tits, fake or real but clothed, maybe ladyboys too? Not much interest from me, unless stunning girls. I have never ever been to a Hooters. I prefer topless to see quality of the tits.Isn't the one on Soi15 open yet?
Member #4698
12-21-15, 20:32
Echoes of Bill "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton.Yeah, don't get me started on the Clintons. Although I agree with Bill on the narrow definition, he knew he should not have been diddling the unpaid intern in the oval office (sexual harassment - a term liberal feminists invented) so he lied in front of the whole world in a vain attempt to save his ass. Meanwhile Hillary and her crowd would like to harass and arrest all of us fornicators for shagging lovely Thai girls for money when we return to the USA from a romp abroad.
Then on the other side of the spectrum there is Jerry Seinfeld's definition of when sex is taking place. According to Jerry it is "when the nipple makes its first appearance," which I just do not agree with at all.
Landed in Bangkok. Just wanted to give some updates about what is new in Bangkok. One of my favorite things in Bangkok is going to Raja Hotel at night choosing from my pick of 20 college age Russian girls. Many model and girl next door type. Well, this year thanks to our Muslim friends. The Russians all had to leave Bangkok because of bomb and death threats. So if you never had your chance to experience the Russian experience in Bangkok. Looks like you missed your chance. I don't think things will ever change back to normal. By the way very high muslin tourists in Bangkok. The most I have ever seen. Before they would stay in their own little area by Grace hotel. Now they speed out all over. I even seen a Muslim woman all dressed in black with her 3 kids under 5 years old also all dressed in black. Begging on the sidewalk like she is a local. Maybe she is and this is just the new order of things. Also, last few years I was here there was at least 20 African ladies to choose from on the sidewalks in a cluster. They were all gone! With the exception of two ladies. What on earth happened here? I never been to Thailand for December and the weather is perfect not hot and not cold. The street girl situation is average. Not as many girls as last year but I did go a different month. Many of the girls are older. Not that there is not 20 year old just not as many young girls. Many in their 30's. Now I talking about the street girls not the a go-go places. The one girl I was with as awesome. I thought she was 24 years old but she told me she was 32. She had an amazing body.
So I am standing in front of Nana plaza. I see a really tall transvestite squatted down Thai style fighting a 3 year old. WTF! He was fighting this baby with slaps and baby was trying to fight back as he was crying. I was tempted to just start kicking the transvestite in the face because he was in a squat position. But, then I noticed the babies mom was there. She was laughing and thought it was funny. WTF. So I thought about it and remembered a major rule in Thailand. Stay out of Thai affairs. It was a no winning situation for me. Either I win the fight and he was big guy but get his blood all over me. I fight him and his transvestite friends jump in which I know they will. They fight as a group. Last public story I saw was a fight between a trans and a pregnant lady. The trans was kicking the woman in the stomach trying to kill her baby with his 5 trans friends. They are ruthless. Anyway, I did not feel like going to jail and funny thing is the little boys mom would probably testify against me in court. So I stayed out of it. But, don't fucking fight a little 3 year old. It made me sick and never seen anything like that in my life.
Hooters food is terrible in North America so I can't see it any better in BKK. Gambling at the Hooters casino in Vegas OTH is sweet.Agree with you buddy, so I order simple stuff that's difficult to screw up. But the eye candy there is a nice appetizer for the main entree that will come later, somewhere else.
Regardless of how WE define it, when a girl says two times they do not make a distinction about how, where, or why it happened. For example, if a guy has a premature climax that's still considered the 'first time' from the girls perspective. I generally prefer to come inside the pussy too, but this time, she was doing such a great job that I just relaxed and released in her mouth. Ergo = 1st time.
Shortly thereafter, I banged her doggie for the second climax. In her view, she performed to the level she agreed. And yes, I had a good time so was not complaining either. In fact, I am looking forward to round two.
I was just a little annoyed that someone was 'cherrypicking' my report analyzing how many times I came etc. Verses what I paid, which was a very fair price to begin with for Bangkok long term. In this instance, I left a few details out because writing a lengthy report with every little aspect can be time consuming.
It sounds like you had a real good time and that is the only thing that matters, but technically speaking, I would never conclude that a 69 led to an orgasm because I consider 69 foreplay and I always end it before my climax. Don't get me wrong. I love 69. There is something about it that really turns me on, but I love my dick buried deep inside a girl's vagina even more. My point of view only: it ain't sex if I don't cum in the pussy. 555.
Spending Christmas holidays with the family here means I don't have any opportunity to monger. Still, I brought my brother-in-law (Bill) for his first such visit to Soi Cowboy. We didn't go to many places, starting in Crazy House: overcrowded at 21:30 with fully naked girls on their stage downstairs and lots more already partying with customers. Definitely an excellent place to put you in the right mood! Only thing I did not like was the mandatory party popper at 100 B. Beer is not cheap neither. Then when Bill felt horny enough we went to Afterskool for his first (BBBJ though we quickly left the place as prices are very expensive I think: mandatory drink for him and for his lady before the BBBJ at 1'000 B, not to say there were only 3 girls and all were buy with 1 customer only! Brought him instead 5 minutes walk out of Soi Cowboy to Som's Heaven. There the BBBJ is only 700 B, no drink mandatory. He seemed to enjoy it pretty well. I was waiting downstairs as simply not possible for me to go since I doubt my wife would not learn of it. Mamasan (offered me a beer at 100 B and told me but too late I could go in as well and she can have me come out from the back so I can pretend I was just walking around waiting for Bill! Argh, too late for this time but for sure I will try it another time!
Regardless of how WE define it, when a girl says two times they do not make a distinction about how, where, or why it happened. For example, if a guy has a premature climax that's still considered the 'first time' from the girls perspective. I generally prefer to come inside the pussy too, but this time, she was doing such a great job that I just relaxed and released in her mouth. Ergo = 1st time.
Shortly thereafter, I banged her doggie for the second climax. In her view, she performed to the level she agreed. And yes, I had a good time so was not complaining either. In fact, I am looking forward to round two.
I was just a little annoyed that someone was 'cherrypicking' my report analyzing how many times I came etc. Verses what I paid, which was a very fair price to begin with for Bangkok long term. In this instance, I left a few details out because writing a lengthy report with every little aspect can be time consuming.
It sounds like you had a real good time and that is the only thing that matters, but technically speaking, I would never conclude that a 69 led to an orgasm because I consider 69 foreplay and I always end it before my climax. Don't get me wrong. I love 69. There is something about it that really turns me on, but I love my dick buried deep inside a girl's vagina even more. My point of view only: it ain't sex if I don't cum in the pussy. 555.
I spent a couple of nights in Bangkok, with the intention of banging an African girl. Playing with dating app Tinder, I liked a black chick with lotsa curly hair. It was a match!
Tinder indicated she wasn't far away. Strolling around lower Sukhumvit, I soon spotted my African queen... in the flesh. Tall & slender Kenzo (24 yo, 170 cm, no baby) was from Uganda. After chatting for a while, I invited Kenzo to my room. She asked for 3000B ST, but accepted my offer of 1500B ST or 3000B LT.
Back in my room, I played "Sitya loss" by Ugandan artist Eddy Kenzo (great tune! give it a listen). I figured he was the inspiration behind Kenzo's name. I've traveled to 22 African countries, and have plenty of African music on my laptop. Kenzo was amazed I could sing along & dance to African rhythms.
Kenzo was a true sweetie, who loved French kissing. After I made her cum by licking her pussy, she gave me a long & sloppy BJ before mounting my dick. The view of this lithe & nimble black beauty dancing on my dick was spectacular.
Since I was in tune with African culture, Kenzo invited me to join her & her girlfriends at the African Bar. At the start of Soi 3, there's an elevator with a Welcome sign on it. The attendant waiting outside will guide you. The African Bar is on the 3rd floor, while the Arab House is on the 5th floor. Both after-hours party places are owned by a Cameroonian.
The African Bar is a slice of Africa in the middle of Bangkok. African tunes. African crowd. Plenty of big booty. Great ambiance. A great introduction to Africa, especially for those who'll never experience the real thing. Ride that elevator to a novel cultural experience!
Kenzo generously paid several rounds of drinks for her girlfriends, spending the money I'd given her. Ugandan girls are notorious drinkers! I was too knackered to drink. Kenzo also paid for my sole beer! When we finally left around 9.30 AM, the African Bar was still going strong!
Loso
Tiradentes
12-22-15, 05:02
I spent a couple of nights in Bangkok, with the intention of banging an African girl. Playing with dating app Tinder, I liked a black chick with lotsa curly hair. It was a match!
T!
LosoIf you like Thai women, go to Thailand. If you like African women, then go to Africa. I still don't mind too much these women while walking at night on Sukhumvit road (as long as they don't touch me) - BUT I do mind their pimps who are 'trouble makers'.
Pipe Layer99
12-22-15, 09:15
It's mentioned in the middle of my last paragraph. I did not mention an orgasm though since hopefully, for most of us, that is a foregone conclusion. As I said, read more carefully before editorializing.That's exactly what I was saying. You NEVER mentioned the 'ACT leading to an Orgasm'. Clearly we can see the number 69 (which is my favorite number by the way). But no mention of a finish anywhere. Therefore, based on your story, it didn't happen and the sucking turned straight into actual sex (intercourse) {just like you wrote it}. I'm wasn't trying to discourage you from writing and contributing. I am commenting on what I read. You can consider writing more carefully (unless English is not your first language).
Rhetorical questions. How can you leave out the main event? And if there was an orgasm during 69, shouldn't there be mention of a short break in the action before sex? Or are we to assume you just stayed hard, rolled on a condom and started pounding as your wrote it?
My comments are based on what 'I' consider to be right in the P4 P arena regarding actual sex with a dick inside the pussy.
Just like the ladies talk about pricing, we do the same. Helps us the same way they try to help each other. And if that lady pulled that crap on you, the efforts should be geared towards not letting the same thing happen to the next guy. The way you wrote it, it read as oral and intercourse 1 x (to me that = shortchanged).
IMO, these are the main points:
1. If a guy takes a lady and comes once in her mouth, that's just the start. That would be just like foreplay because there was no intercourse. We are not done yet. And it's only been 20 minutes or so, we still plenty of time for complete the FS. If a guy only wants a BJ, go to a BJ place and pay a hell of a lot less for that.
2. Like most men, we need a recovery period of at least 15 to 30 minutes before going again. When we do have intercourse, that constitutes sex 1 x. AKA FS.
3. For a ST deal, now she can go with her ST payment for full service. If she wants to stay and sleep in my comfortable room with AC, a nice bed, and with me. And I am OK with her staying, then she can stay. Still just ST money along with some cab fare to get home. Because I like to to do that for them if they stay the night and take good care of me.
4. If she stays all night because we agreed on LT (as was the case with you), then I get another round of sex the next day before she leaves. To me that is the purpose of keeping her LT. If that didn't happen, then someone got shortchanged.
I won't try to tell another person what to do or how to spend his money. But I will offer my opinion, especially when it appears that someone is getting taken advantage of.
Sometimes (not often here in Thailand) the girls will try that shit. They will get up and shower in the morning and get dressed. Not on my watch. I tell them, baby we agreed on LT, I want boom boom again and I pull them back to the bed.
... DATY on my part, whether I would like to 69 to which I readily agreed. This was followed by some nice doggie and sleep. True to her word, she rejected my advances in the morning but I was more than happy with my experience. May return, Actually.
Pipe Layer99
12-22-15, 09:18
It sounds like you had a real good time and that is the only thing that matters, but technically speaking, I would never conclude that a 69 led to an orgasm because I consider 69 foreplay and I always end it before my climax. Don't get me wrong. I love 69. There is something about it that really turns me on, but I love my dick buried deep inside a girl's vagina even more. My point of view only: it ain't sex if I don't cum in the pussy. 555.Hey NB, that's exactly right. And even if the 69 or BJ did lead to cumming, we ain't finished yet. :)
If you like Thai women, go to Thailand. If you like African women, then go to Africa. I still don't mind too much these women while walking at night on Sukhumvit road (as long as they don't touch me) - BUT I do mind their pimps who are 'trouble makers'.Could not agree more! Why someone would travel to Thailand to meet Russian girls is beyond me. Some Russian girls are hot, but the problem is their attitude. I have in fact never met a Russian girl with the cute attitude that most Thai and Philippine girls show in spades. They hardly smile (as their male counterparts.), have zero humor and looks like it is a drag to get trough the day. Thank God (or Buddha.) for the Thai girls!! The African girls sure can be interesting. I have chatted many just to learn more about them and their quirky ways, but could never ever imagine to take them to bed. Why go to the land of smiles with thousands of beautiful girls and look for Africans or Russian girls?? African prostitutes are all over the world so why pay for the flight to Thailand?
You need to read my post more carefully or otherwise you consider a '69' leading to orgasm as a non-qualifier. After the 69, I did her doggie and we both had a nice O and then slept. She had already told me beforehand that she would go LT at this price but she would only have sex two times. I consider 69 with orgasm as sex. She was honest about it and I am not going to quibble about the nature of my orgasm and also had a good time with her overall. Enough said. Additionally, as the other poster mentioned, this is a good LT price to begin with.
As far as the other girl ordering an additional drink for her friend, I guess that I could have told her to pay for it herself but that might have killed the deal at the time (Cheap Charlie et. Al) and the extra drink price was not expensive. I also thought (and hoped) perhaps she did not hear me or understand due to the noise. I ended up self-sabotaging the deal with her because as I said I sensed overall things might not go so great back at the hotel. Part of my reasoning had to do with the extra drink she ordered.
I have heard rumors before about LB's in there but have never encountered or seen any, even in over heard conversation, in the two winters I have been going. I do see some LB's sometimes stroll by as there may be a LB bar further up that Soi.
I told a couple of guys about the 5 k baht price. All were surprised though it may have to do with the venue. I am sure Aloft, Spassos, etc. Girls can command that price but Bangkok Beat is another story.I have not been in Bangkok Beat for a few months. However when I was there previously, always had a percentage of them, can't remember exact numbers. Could have been only 1 to 3. So I just issue warning for guys to stay alert. With a regular guy tongue kissing one of them, made me squirm a bit. She wasn't pretty enough for me. LOL and probably still had an unwanted attachment. Its like seeing gays smooching in Soho. Disturbing.
For me, sex session count is not related to the number of shots, although I could see that others think that way.
During a session I like to take a five to 10 minute relax with no dick stimulation, then restart. My feeling increases after a short break. I don't consider it a separate sex session.
A girl could have between 0 and 10 orgasms in a sex session ( 10 is a freak sensitive type). I could have between 0 and 2, with one being my personal norm, due to quite insensitive and difficult to cum. I would only try for a second if got first one out quickly which is unusual for me. Most girls are not into fucking for extremely long duration, like over 60 minutes of dick in pussy or any other hole.
I do like girls with stamina though. Sensitive girls can cum 5 times in 30 minutes so stamina is not likely with them.
Like Natty, I rarely try to cum during foreplay. I try to make the girl get one. I am still looking forward to dick in pussy though. I go to a BJ bar for full sex LOL. BJ is not enough usually.
1. If a guy takes a lady and comes once in her mouth, that's just the start. That would be just like foreplay because there was no intercourse. We are not done yet. And it's only been 20 minutes or so, we still plenty of time for complete the FS. If a guy only wants a BJ, go to a BJ place and pay a hell of a lot less for that.
2. Like most men, we need a recovery period of at least 15 to 30 minutes before going again. When we do have intercourse, that constitutes sex 1 x. AKA FS.ST equals one pop. Been that way the entire 16 years I have been here. Does not matter how the pop is elicited. That is what you can expect with a FL or GoGo gal unless you negotiate differently. ST with FLs and GoGo gals is not based on time but on you finishing. That's why I go to certain oilies. You are paying for an amount of time. Pop as many times as you can during that time.
News Flash:
I am not parsing out every detail of a personal sexual escapade just for your edification and analysis. It was a great deal with a nice girl at 2 k baht for Long Term and I was satisfied. End of story. And, other posters agree with me.
If you want to criticize, then complain about the old dude I referred to in my report who voluntarily offered her friend 5 k baht for Long Term. Do the math.
Pipe Layer99
12-22-15, 09:53
ST equals one pop. Been that way the entire 16 years I have been here. Does not matter how the pop is elicited. That is what you can expect with a FL or GoGo gal unless you negotiate differently. ST with FLs and GoGo gals is not based on time but on you finishing. That's why I go to certain oilies. You are paying for an amount of time. Pop as many times as you can during that time.Goat, you know that I know the deal in Thailand. We have talking about this on the phone, remember. When I do go ST, I usually make it clear what I am getting first. Which is a BJ and FS.
I spent a couple of nights in Bangkok, with the intention of banging an African girl. Playing with dating app Tinder, I liked a black chick with lotsa curly hair. It was a match!
sole beer! When we finally left around 9.30 AM, the African Bar was still going strong!
LosoHi Loso,
Is this place after the Nep when you keep on walking towards omni tower on the right side there is rajah hotel, just before that in the Soi towards the hotel again on the right hand is an African club I remember I went for an after hours drinking session. One of the Thai girls I picked liked hip hop she took me there. Its a nice place but I didn't see any lift just that it had stairs and huge stairs maybe double the size of normal stairs. And I didn't see any Arab club there, maybe I am talking about another African club.
Adios,
Alex
Pipe Layer99
12-22-15, 10:23
... For me, sex session count is not related to the number of shots, although I could see that others think that way.
During a session I like to take a five to 10 minute relax with no dick stimulation, then restart. My feeling increases after a short break.
I don't consider it a separate sex session.
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Like Natty, I rarely try to cum during foreplay. I try to make the girl get one. I am still looking forward to dick in pussy though. I go to a BJ bar for full sex LOL. BJ is not enough usually.On the same sheet of music here. And even with a great BJ to start, I generally always want some sex.
In regards to Bangkok Beat, last time there in April. Good crowd and good music. Always a few decent looking women asking for 2 - 3 k. Fortunately, with the exception of one time, I have only paid 1. 5 for LT in the past 4 years in Bangkok. The one time I did pay 2 k was about about 2 years ago. This sweet and sexy 21 year old was a part-time FL college girl. Kept her all night at Dynasty Inn. The next day, after round 2, she had to go to her university for 1 or 2 classes. I asked to her come back afterwards and she did. Well worth the extra 500. Now, as I start to get a little older (LOL), and with prices increasing for everything including food, I soon may need to adjust pricing too. For now, there are just too many options available.
Could not agree more! Why someone would travel to Thailand to meet Russian girls is beyond me. Some Russian girls are hot, but the problem is their attitude. I have in fact never met a Russian girl with the cute attitude that most Thai and Philippine girls show in spades. They hardly smile (as their male counterparts.), have zero humor and looks like it is a drag to get trough the day. Thank God (or Buddha.) for the Thai girls!! The African girls sure can be interesting. I have chatted many just to learn more about them and their quirky ways, but could never ever imagine to take them to bed. Why go to the land of smiles with thousands of beautiful girls and look for Africans or Russian girls?? African prostitutes are all over the world so why pay for the flight to Thailand?I do not normally go with African woman in Thailand. But, will go for it if the girl is hot. Last year I met an African girl in Bangkok. When she got undressed oh my god! Incredible body. Huge triple the breasts and she was not fat. She looked like the girl that starred in that hooker movie called Coffee. Black chicks tend to give extra good service and be extra nice. They have to be because a lot of black chicks give black girls a bad reputation because they have been known to rip off customers and all kinds of other bullshit. At least that is how it is in the states.
Russian girls in Thailand. I could not agree more about he bad attitude. I was with them like 6 years in a row. Every year different Russian girls same place. But they were extremely beautiful and perfect body. Then last year I do not know what happened. But, with each one I was with last year probably about 5 different ones. Their attitude was OK and some even very good. One started French kissing me during the act. I don't know where that came from. But, had so much fun. But, we don't have to worry about Russian girl in Thailand more. Our Muslim friends chased them all away. If you can find any let me know. I am in Thailand now.
Goat, you know that I know the deal in Thailand. We have talking about this on the phone, remember. When I do go ST, I usually make it clear what I am getting first. Which is a BJ and FS.Yes, I remember, but so many dudes will think that they can get that without negotiating it first. I wish I was such a good negotiator! Never able to pull that one off with the exception of gals that are really revved up and ready to go. Or perhaps it is the fact that it takes me 30 min to reload. 555+!
On the same sheet of music here. And even with a great BJ to start, I generally always want some sex.
In regards to Bangkok Beat, last time there in April. Good crowd and good music. Always a few decent looking women asking for 2 - 3 k. Fortunately, with the exception of one time, I have only paid 1. 5 for LT in the past 4 years in Bangkok. The one time I did pay 2 k was about about 2 years ago. This sweet and sexy 21 year old was a part-time FL college girl. Kept her all night at Dynasty Inn. The next day, after round 2, she had to go to her university for 1 or 2 classes. I asked to her come back afterwards and she did. Well worth the extra 500. Now, as I start to get a little older (LOL), and with prices increasing for everything including food, I soon may need to adjust pricing too. For now, there are just too many options available.I think most all will go for 1. 5 in low season. And seems that during the year the average age at Bangkok Beat has crept slowly up. It's become a middle age haven, whereas the BG has some grandmas for sure. Getting a repeat visit for 2 k is a very good deal.
On the subject of age, I was in Pattaya for a night this weekend. Jeez, the farang punters there are an old lot these days. And it seems that after the bars close the gals would rather hook up with the younger Arab dudes. Last time I combed Walking St after 2 am was about 8 years ago. Must have had 40 or 50 gals approach me as I strolled down the street then. This time nada. Very different vibe. I did enjoy Kinnaree though. Did not get the time to hit Soi 6.
ST equals one pop. Been that way the entire 16 years I have been here. Does not matter how the pop is elicited. That is what you can expect with a FL or GoGo gal unless you negotiate differently. ST with FLs and GoGo gals is not based on time but on you finishing. That's why I go to certain oilies. You are paying for an amount of time. Pop as many times as you can during that time.In a Soapy, I don't believe a pop in the bath, will constitute the end of the sex play.
As I do not pop from bath BJ, I can't be sure. I doubt a guy will get two pops on the bed in most Soapies. Too many girls are looking for a quick come, especially at places with a lot of asian customers, e. G. La Belle. Have had a good girl there but rare. Maybe a lot of bad luck. Maybe the girls with nose jobs are better. LOL.
I also had low success rates with young inexperienced girls at Nataree. Much better success rates at Annies even if many girls there are not of doable looks.
15 to 20 years back I had very good experiences at ChaoPraya 2. Good balance between experience, looks, and not being scared of dick with a big line up. Hard to find any place quite like that, now. Not many sillies and nose jobs in those days but plenty of fatties especially in the body slide and Booran sections.
Yes, I remember, but so many dudes will think that they can get that without negotiating it first. I wish I was such a good negotiator! Never able to pull that one off with the exception of gals that are really revved up and ready to go. Or perhaps it is the fact that it takes me 30 min to reload. 555+!I don't negotiate services, but then I only expect one pop. I do expect both BJ and sex. Some girls will try to avoid the BJ. Fortunately not many. In this last visit to Thailand of 4 weeks plus, luckily only had one crap girl for the whole time. I forget if she tried to skip the BJ. Quite possible. Anyway starfish style. All other girls have pretty good GFE.
Probably only tried 2 new girls from gogos (4 others were repeats), both slim and pretty. So 1 good out of two is not so surprising. 5 New girls tried in MPs of various types were all good GFE, 3 will be repeated, and good enough for me undemanding type. All I need is GFE and stamina. The 2 not likely to be repeated had body shape flaws, from Addict and Amsterdam. Fuck was fine, but I like to have pretty face and stunning body as well, if possible. My sexual excitement is greatly increased by optical qualities, or by special service. I can accept a looks fault but not too many, please.
Probably have almost enough regular girls now again, that I don't need to try any new girls unless really stunning and cannot be ignored.
I lost my main pse girl early in the year. Perhaps need a replacement but I want a very pretty one.
In my last week, i probably had a P4P fuck only 2 or 3 times. I am planning to cut back on mongering in 2016 and hope can get more from GF.
Do other guys living in Thailamd set yourselves a budget for number of P4P fucks per week. Like is just 1 or 2 an achievable target or is it going to cause too much frustration?
I am sure I can't do just 3 fucks for my first week in Thailand, but that might be achievable for subsequent weeks. I hope to get GF of over 10 years, to provide 2 per week average. In that event just 2 monger fucks might be doable. LOL I am close to 60 but still a semi sex addict. Hard to resist temptations.
My GF would like to take something to boost her libido. Do any vitamins or herbs really work for women? Us men don't need it. I am more than willing any time GF is horny. She cums easily as is sensitive. She still looks hot even though close to 40. She does get horny but not so often. She is rather shy too and very religious.
If you like Thai women, go to Thailand. If you like African women, then go to Africa.As I said, I've visited 22 African countries already, with more trips planned.
I got a good deal on a ticket to Bangkok, then traveled overland to Phnom Penh, which was my main destination. I'm too old to get the hottest Thai chicks, and can't be bothered to fuck 3rd rate Thai hoes, which is why I usually avoid Thailand these days. Fucking a hot African chick in Bangkok was just an interesting challenge. And I ended up having a great time!
Loso
Hi Loso,
Is this place after the Nep when you keep on walking towards omni tower on the right side there is rajah hotel, just before that in the Soi towards the hotel again on the right hand is an African club I remember I went for an after hours drinking session. One of the Thai girls I picked liked hip hop she took me there. Its a nice place but I didn't see any lift just that it had stairs and huge stairs maybe double the size of normal stairs. And I didn't see any Arab club there, maybe I am talking about another African club.
Adios,
AlexNope, the African Bar I visited is on Soi 3 (opposite Soi 4). It's right at the start of the Soi, barely 10-20 meters from Sukhumvit. And the only way in is via the elevator.
Do other guys living in Thailamd set yourselves a budget for number of P4P fucks per week. Like is just 1 or 2 an achievable target or is it going to cause too much frustration?
I am sure I can't do just 3 fucks for my first week in Thailand, but that might be achievable for subsequent weeks. I hope to get GF of over 10 years, to provide 2 per week average. In that event just 2 monger fucks might be doable. LOL I am close to 60 but still a semi sex addict. Hard to resist temptations.Yes, I try to stay within a budget. I usually only hit the oilies once per week. That's why 2 pops is essential for me. I find that after two pops in 90 min I am satisfied for quite sometime. Usually about a week to tell you the truth because the second pop is a bit of work. If I only get one pop I am raging again in a few hours.
As far as GFs are concerned I have a hard time maintaining interest in a gal after I have done her a few times. Does not matter how good she is. That is why even with my fav oily gals I rarely do them more than once every two months.
Syzygies,
You look like the most qualified expert in Crazy House. So, I would kindly ask for your advice.
I was there a few weeks ago, and was really attracted by N. 72. I had the chance to talk to her. And offer a lady drink. For about 15 min; then I had to leave because I previously set a date with a lady from ThaiFriendly.
Unfortunately N. 72 was leaving the day after for Kuala Lumpur, for a 10 days companionship with a "customer".
It is in my plan to meet her during my next business trip to BKK, which luckily will happen soon.
Just wanted to know if you. Or anybody in this forum. Had a good experience with her, and if this would be in your opinion a recommendable choice.
On a different note, Pond (ex Tulip) is now managing a late night street bar between Soi 5 and Soi 7. She has anyway some free time during the afternoon and early evening, and she is meeting some of the old friends. And guys. She's still great.
I was there a few weeks ago, and was really attracted by N. 72. I had the chance to talk to her. And offer a lady drink. For about 15 min; then I had to leave because I previously set a date with a lady from ThaiFriendly.
Just wanted to know if you. Or anybody in this forum. Had a good experience with her, and if this would be in your opinion a recommendable choice.
I don't really remember girls by number. More so by face, ass, and name. I say ass, because I can recognise most girls I know well from the back without seeing the face. If only did a girl once, perhaps not.
You did not even describe any characteristics of the girl other than the number. The name could help some guys attending there to remember her, and anything else distinctive.
I would not be too worried about her if you don't know the name. Wait till you see her again. She might be gone. Only 50% of girls tried by me have been worthwhile, and even smaller percentage that I still repeat.
I currently am happy to do Ging, Paeng, and Oom. All pretty for me. I would do May-Lee and Nat if they returned, as were exceptionally beautiful and could be passionate. Nan is okay But very short and pussy also rather short. Jane and Naen I might try in future.
Paeng is the only one so pretty, that I tried her on the very first time I had a chance (although may have seen her the previous day), and fortunately was good. My point is that I rarely make a snap decision to go with a girl. It's worth getting to study them a bit first. Getting to know a girl doesn't really determine if she is dick scared though, so its always a gamble.
Girls are usually divided into two groups that rotate onto the stage. The small / short girls group and the talls group. Almost all girls of interest to me belong to the talls group. I find tall and slim more sexy. By tall, I really mean not excessively small or short. Many of the talls are just average height, however most of my choices are above average height.
Paeng is the only one so pretty, that I tried her on the very first time I had a chance (although may have seen her the previous day), and fortunately was good. My point is that I rarely make a snap decision to go with a girl. It's worth getting to study them a bit first. Getting to know a girl doesn't really determine if she is dick scared though, so its always a gamble.
Girls are usually divided into two groups that rotate onto the stage. The small / short girls group and the talls group. Almost all girls of interest to me belong to the talls group. I find tall and slim more sexy. By tall, I really mean not excessively small or short. Many of the talls are just average height, however most of my choices are above average height.First shot at Bangkok this week for many years. Having read this general forum, and the Annies forum, and Redeye, seems like certain soapys (Emmanuelle / Amsterdam / Poseiden) have "models" that is, seemingly more beautiful girls than some others like Tulip and Annies. Of course girls often don't remain long enough so things change but as you appear to be as informed in Thailand as in FKK land Syz wonder if you can point me in the right direction? I think from reading your many posts in FKK forums our tastes are similar. Very pretty face / slim / nice ass. I think we differ on tits. I know ou are not concerned about them. I prefer a good size rather than small / perky though I prefer naturals to sillies. Annies is located very close to the hotel so seems an obvious try but if there are clearly better options please let me know. I am only here 3 days. Many thanks in anticipation.
Unfortunately N. 72 was leaving the day after for Kuala Lumpur, for a 10 days companionship with a "customer".Could this be her? I know she just spent time in Kuala Lumpar but not sure if she works in Crazy House.
RyosaeBabkk
12-23-15, 12:45
Yes, I try to stay within a budget. I usually only hit the oilies once per week. That's why 2 pops is essential for me. I find that after two pops in 90 min I am satisfied for quite sometime. Usually about a week to tell you the truth because the second pop is a bit of work. If I only get one pop I am raging again in a few hours.
As far as GFs are concerned I have a hard time maintaining interest in a gal after I have done her a few times. Does not matter how good she is. That is why even with my fav oily gals I rarely do them more than once every two months.Same here, there's the mandatory one visit per week, then some weeks due to disturbances (ex: horny hangover) an extra session.
After a good 2 pops session I can keep my dick in line for about a week and then the craving starts again.
In between session I just jerk off everyday.
As for GF, I have one but I lost sexual interest a long time ago.
Actually that's quite depressing.
LOL
I don't really remember girls by number. More so by face, ass, and name. I say ass, because I can recognise most girls I know well from the back without seeing the face. If only did a girl once, perhaps not.
You did not even describe any characteristics of the girl other than the number. The name could help some guys attending there to remember her, and anything else distinctiveThanks for your replies. I did not catch her name when she told me. She was among those dancing on stage not fully naked, but wearing a top and a mini-skirt without panties. Short hair and one of the best asses I have ever seen in BKK. Well. Hope to report about her when I will visit again at the end of January.
First shot at Bangkok this week for many years. Having read this general forum, and the Annies forum, and Redeye, seems like certain soapys (Emmanuelle / Amsterdam / Poseiden) have "models" that is, seemingly more beautiful girls than some others like Tulip and Annies. Of course girls often don't remain long enough so things change but as you appear to be as informed in Thailand as in FKK land Syz wonder if you can point me in the right direction? I think from reading your many posts in FKK forums our tastes are similar. Very pretty face / slim / nice ass. I think we differ on tits. I know ou are not concerned about them. I prefer a good size rather than small / perky though I prefer naturals to sillies. Annies is located very close to the hotel so seems an obvious try but if there are clearly better options please let me know. I am only here 3 days. Many thanks in anticipation.It greatly depends on personal taste and bias. Some guys want the cheapest and will tolerate a wide variety of looks. Others want stunners and will put up with mediocre service. I am more in the 2nd category. I need a girl who is not scared of dick and go with the flow and GFE. Success is more likely with slightly older experiennced girls and even those that have had a baby if body is not wrecked. I don't think any of my current favourites has a baby (co inxidence). One was pregnant but lost it long before term. Still very slight stretch marks.
I suggest you do a survey of a few places.
If you want anal sex, I suggest try Looking in Mango and Snow White Massage Parlour joints. Not far away from each other. Also look in Addict, Boss, Can Cam, EZ for more normal MPs.
If you stay near Annies, have a look. Very few girls to my taste but you may get lucky.
La Belle is worth a look but expensive. I don't like silicones and nose jobs and westernised asian look. So doesn't really suit me but sometimes can find a girl. Amsterdam also and of course Nataree. Right now I have failed to find a favorite girl at any Soapy MP other than Annies. Price verses performance and looks has not been good enough.
For bars, look in Rainbow and Rainbow 4, Mandarin Upstairs at Nana and in Cowboy area try Crazy House and Bacarra. Some guys like Bacarra. I mostly don't. Check out lesbian show at Suzie Wong about 10 pm.
The best bar to start in at cowboy is Crazy House as gets started at 7.30, ok by 8 and still girls arriving till 9. Then try Bacarra.
Not many bars have full nudity like Crazy House. That is why I prefer it. I want to see the full package unwrapped first. Girls not nude you can lift the skirt and peak in the bra.
Member #4643
12-24-15, 04:34
It greatly depends on personal taste and bias. Some guys want the cheapest and will tolerate a wide variety of looks. Others want stunners and will put up with mediocre service. I am more in the 2nd category. I need a girl who is not scared of dick and go with the flow and GFE. Success is more likely with slightly older experiennced girls and even those that have had a baby if body is not wrecked. I don't think any of my current favourites has a baby (co inxidence). One was pregnant but lost it long before term. Still very slight stretch marks.
I suggest you do a survey of a few places.
If you want anal sex, I suggest try Looking in Mango and Snow White Massage Parlour joints. Not far away from each other. Also look in Addict, Boss, Can Cam, EZ for more normal MPs.
If you stay near Annies, have a look. Very few girls to my taste but you may get lucky.
La Belle is worth a look but expensive. I don't like silicones and nose jobs and westernised asian look. So doesn't really suit me but sometimes can find a girl. Amsterdam also and of course Nataree. Right now I have failed to find a favorite girl at any Soapy MP other than Annies. Price verses performance and looks has not been good enough.
For bars, look in Rainbow and Rainbow 4, Mandarin Upstairs at Nana and in Cowboy area try Crazy House and Bacarra. Some guys like Bacarra. I mostly don't. Check out lesbian show at Suzie Wong about 10 pm.
The best bar to start in at cowboy is Crazy House as gets started at 7.30, ok by 8 and still girls arriving till 9. Then try Bacarra.
Not many bars have full nudity like Crazy House. That is why I prefer it. I want to see the full package unwrapped first. Girls not nude you can lift the skirt and peak in the bra.Of course, we all want good looking but I would choose real GFE over raw beauty any day.
However, what I really want is a nice place. The girls at Annies, for example are mostly good looking and mostly GFE, but the facilities are terrible. I am only 176 cm, but the rooms at Annies are to small for a decent body to body massage. The floors are usually dirty and the air conditioning is either too cold or broken. I would like a soapy at a place with better "hotel services". A nicer bathtub, bathmat etc.
Of course, we all want good looking but I would choose real GFE over raw beauty any day.
However, what I really want is a nice place. The girls at Annies, for example are mostly good looking and mostly GFE, but the facilities are terrible. I am only 176 cm, but the rooms at Annies are to small for a decent body to body massage. The floors are usually dirty and the air conditioning is either too cold or broken. I would like a soapy at a place with better "hotel services". A nicer bathtub, bathmat etc.Mostly good looking? Ha ha.
The rooms vary but some not good. Some have a bigger bed. Last time was too cold. I am 184 so very tight for the body slide.
I would rather go to Dr. BJ Nuru then say I want No. 14 from Annies, can you send her over here? She works both places. Not sure possible with all girls.
A walk from Asoke to Nana to locate the different BJ bars on this stretch of Sukhumvit. It was early morning so everything still closed.
https://youtu.be/mwFToHdLbvQ
It greatly depends on personal taste and bias. Some guys want the cheapest and will tolerate a wide variety of looks. Others want stunners and will put up with mediocre service. I am more in the 2nd category. I need a girl who is not scared of dick and go with the flow and GFE. Success is more likely with slightly older experiennced girls and even those that have had a baby if body is not wrecked. I don't think any of my current favourites has a baby (co inxidence). One was pregnant but lost it long before term. Still very slight stretch marks.
I suggest you do a survey of a few places.
If you want anal sex, I suggest try Looking in Mango and Snow White Massage Parlour joints. Not far away from each other. Also look in Addict, Boss, Can Cam, EZ for more normal MPs.
If you stay near Annies, have a look. Very few girls to my taste but you may get lucky.
La Belle is worth a look but expensive. I don't like silicones and nose jobs and westernised asian look. So doesn't really suit me but sometimes can find a girl. Amsterdam also and of course Nataree. Right now I have failed to find a favorite girl at any Soapy MP other than Annies. Price verses performance and looks has not been good enough.
For bars, look in Rainbow and Rainbow 4, Mandarin Upstairs at Nana and in Cowboy area try Crazy House and Bacarra. Some guys like Bacarra. I mostly don't. Check out lesbian show at Suzie Wong about 10 pm.
The best bar to start in at cowboy is Crazy House as gets started at 7.30, ok by 8 and still girls arriving till 9. Then try Bacarra.
Not many bars have full nudity like Crazy House. That is why I prefer it. I want to see the full package unwrapped first. Girls not nude you can lift the skirt and peak in the bra.
Thanks for the fullsome response. Tried Nana last night and did each of the rainbow bars, Straps and Spankys. Best girls for me were in Rainbow 2. Sexy small framed Nina (don't know her Thai name) in Rainbow 2 was my best and provided good service though boobs small for me. Have tried several of the AMPS in the same area but very mixed quality of girls and have not yet encountered any of these offering more than HJ (very cheap! Will try Crazy House and Annies tonight. My preferences are to pay more for a stunning girl and then try to get the best service by making clear that the cash available will match the quality of the service. No differerent IMHO around the world. I've learned e.g. in FKKs that 30 min sessions for 50 euros are usually poor unless you get lucky whereas same later sessions with same girl but lasting 1. 5 or 2 hours are very good. From the girls' point of view that is understandable. As with anything else in life, if you are likely to make more cash you are likely to put more effort in. On Redeye there is a list of about 6 soapys which offer model girls. But only Amsterdam of those you have listed are on that Redeye list. Let's give Annies a shot and learn something new. Thanks again.
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