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When I was walking -- a guy came and showed me a booklet of a massage parlour and said 5 minutes from here. Didn't go but I realized that most or every of the taxi drivers or the Tuk Tuk drivers are carrying these pamplets.
Yeh experienced mongers never pay attention to those guys. They quite likely would take you to some dump that is not the place in the glossy pamphlet. Who knows? They want their commission kick back for taking you there so you won't get a good price.
While Indians, Blacks and Arabs get the "members only" treatment in some bars because of the generality that those types of individuals are either cheap or trouble, this is one curse for being a white guy. Many girls are scared to go with a white guy thinking he will have a big dick. I find it to be more of a problem in Indonesian than in Thailand, but it can also be a problem in Thailand on occasion. I have an extremely small dick, but the girls never believe it since I am white. At least in you guy's case where you actually have a big dick, it makes some sense. It's sad when you have a tiny dick and the girls are telling you they don't want to go with you because they think your dick is too big.Just offer to take her to the toilet, flop it out and prove otherwise. LOL Have met the odd girl that wanted to check out the size first before agreeing to go. Especially happens with girls experiencing pussy pain.
With some girls, no amount of "I go so slow and gentle" washes with them. They just remain very unkeen. I don't want a stiff legged star-fish so no point in forcing the issue. Better to know in advance and save wasting my money. Fortunately a couple of my regular girls state that they prefer big dicks as have got used to Farangs since many years ago. Others do not prefer it but tolerate it. To be very average sized would be definitely an advantage overall I think.
One Italian guy I knew was such a nice guy but he experienced so many knock backs with girls describing him as hung like a bottle of coke. No need for anyone to be jealous of his size at all. Just a huge nuisance for him. He had better luck with older western girls.
Yes, it is a bar. But the draw to a Bangkok go-go bar isn't to get top shelf cocktails at a reasonable price, to look at pretty ladies or to marvel at the latest dance trends. It is to get laid. You purpose might be to get laid. For many others, not the case. Some are trying to find an exciting girl that will put them into the mood. Some are not.
Some of the customers have no intention to bar fine any girl any time they go to bar, as an example. I might have no intention to get laid initially, but a hot girl maybe capable of changing my mind. Other times I am horny and definitely looking for a lay. However I note that probably 75% of Crazy House customers leave without barfining a girl. Wild estimate not based on anything solid.
If I can't get the best girl in the bar to my taste, for one reason or another (e.g. busy with another customer), it is unlikely I will fall back to a lesser standard choice. So plenty of times I went to see Palm, the 10 point Coyote, at Mercury, I left the bar without a fuck. Sometimes I was disappointed because she already had a customer hogging her time. Sometimes she wa just not there. Possibly all of her customers hoped for a miracle and that they might eventually do her. LOL Don't know if any were successful. I compared notes with another guy who saw her regular but had never managed to fuck her. Most other Coyotes at Mercury could be fucked and I did do one or two. However they were a standard below Palm for looks.
Just sitting and cuddling a stunning girl is still worthwhile for some of us guys, even if cannot get the dick in. That is why hostess lounges can work.
Just offer to take her to the toilet, flop it out and prove otherwise. LOL.I've tried that many times. I'm always flaccid in the bar though. Often, they seem to think it will grow to a huge size once it gets hard and are still scared. I have had it work a couple of times though where they agreed once they saw it. And once I do get one girl in the bar to go with me, word gets around that my dick is as small as an Asian's, and from that point on every girl in the bar will happily go with me after that. Anyone who thinks having a big dick in a P4 P environment is fooling themselves. I agree though that it's a big advantage if going with the older western women, or even the younger western women for free.
I know of several go-go bars in Bangkok that have either newly opened or re-opened with new owners and new names over the past couple of years. Every one of those that I have been in are just fine adhering to the "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" business model and none of them are following the model GrandaddyPerp said more and more of them are moving to. Do you know which old, new or re-opened and re-named Bangkok go-go bars have moved to that business model and rejected that fuddy duddy old one in the past 2-3 years? Which ones?
The fact that some are bad at providing the old model and are up against more competition than ever before doesn't count. Where have they moved into the new model and abandoned the previous one?
Let's say the Arab bars are following that new drinking lounge chit chat model. You seemed to be saying they did. I don't know. Whenever I have peeked into one of those Arab bars, it always appears to me there are only 2-3 newbies in there who got suckered into entering by the unavailable Coyotes stationed outside. Are any two Arab bars generating more income than, say, Crazy House, Baccara, Billboard, Twisters, et al, all of which are most definitely not lounges of the kind described?I have been so fortunate (or unfortunate. Whatever way you look at it) to come close to a couple of bar owners in Bangkok. They all want to earn money, but it is my understanding from these two in question that a professional and detailed "business plan" is just not part of their mindset. Both these owners are Thai people and it might be a different story for falang owners. Sure they care on how they can adjust the music, the ambience, their price policy etc. But most of all they are concerned about their dancing girls. They are obsessed with rules and regulation on how to "cut salary" for the girls showing up too late, using phones, stay in wardrobe too long etc. But they also care for their staff; many of girls have a very close and loving relationship with the owner. I guess the problem for a go-go bar owner is that the visitors are so different. Especially in places with a good mix of people from all parts of the world and also a variety in age it is obvious that a bar need to have all sorts of girls. Not all men like skinny girls, so they need some big girls as well etc. I sometime ask myself why obviously ugly girls can continue work in a go-go year after year. The reply I get is that there is some sort of loyalty that goes both way. A good owner will not sack a girl that has been working hard for her bar for many years. This is of course decent. But for a bar it is also a dangerous path. After all, the number one success factor for a bar is beautiful girls. I also think it is not relevant to bring in "The Arab" in this discussion. His bars are obviously a cover up for some other type of activity, so it does not count. I never set my foot in his bars. As long as you run a go-go bar you really do not care if customers perceive it as a "drinking lounge" or a place for barfine. You need to find ways to cater to both and to make sure you can make some money out of both "models".
HorneeFalang
06-19-17, 15:00
Yeh experienced mongers never pay attention to those guys. They quite likely would take you to some dump that is not the place in the glossy pamphlet. Who knows? They want their commission kick back for taking you there so you won't get a good price.I first encountered the Tuk Tuk gents with the brochures back in 1996,I can still recall the brochure as it had prices listed, some of the prices had been corrected with a little white sticker over the top (I can't recall the prices) I was still a little green and took up the offer. It was a rainy hot night in Bangkok and I had just come out of one of the Go Go bars in Patpong and was horny as hell. I didn't need much of sales pitch as my dick was was ready to go after getting some serious attention in said Go Go bar. The driver took me to Ceasers. It was one of the finest 1. 5 hours I've had in my life. Everything was on offer and I got involved. A total PSE with cuddling and GFE at the end. This is when I saw the light. I remember giving the sweet thing 200 BHT tip and leaving 50 BHT for the maid (can't recall the price for the experience) and was made to feel like I was a big spender. I walked out if that place feeling like a King. The Tuk Tuk driver was waiting for me and took me back to my hotel. I asked him did he get commission and he said yes, but would have to go back and get the money after he dropped me at my hotel. I think it worked / works on how many punters he and his colleagues took there. I still remember that girl after all these years. During our cuddling session she took out a black and white passport photo of a Japanese guy and told me that it was her boyfriend and that she loved him. Funny how you remember shit like this.
Has anyone ever tried #62 at Bacarra gogo?
She gives out all the bad signs (super shy, hardly moving on the very end of the stage, no eye contact with anyone) but she has the best breast I've seen in a gogo bar on BKK (she dances on the sometimes topless 1st floor). Perfect size and shape for her body. Being non Japanese, I know I'm almost transparent for Bacarra girls, but her body almost made me try to go for it, in spite of all the bad signs. Feedback would be greatly appreciated!
However I note that probably 75% of Crazy House customers leave without barfining a girl. Wild estimate not based on anything solid.That would be my general observation as well, and not just for Crazy House but for almost any well attended go-go bar in the city. However, I also assume most of those guys walking out alone will go into another go-go bar nearby and continue shopping on their "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" mission. Asian or Farang, I think they leave alone simply because they didn't find a suitable candidate for the "get laid" part of the model in that particular go-go bar on this particular visit.
I have been so fortunate (or unfortunate. Whatever way you look at it) to come close to a couple of bar owners in Bangkok. They all want to earn money, but it is my understanding from these two in question that a professional and detailed "business plan" is just not part of their mindset. Both these owners are Thai people and it might be a different story for falang owners. Sure they care on how they can adjust the music, the ambience, their price policy etc. But most of all they are concerned about their dancing girls. They are obsessed with rules and regulation on how to "cut salary" for the girls showing up too late, using phones, stay in wardrobe too long etc. But they also care for their staff; many of girls have a very close and loving relationship with the owner. I guess the problem for a go-go bar owner is that the visitors are so different. Especially in places with a good mix of people from all parts of the world and also a variety in age it is obvious that a bar need to have all sorts of girls. Not all men like skinny girls, so they need some big girls as well etc. I sometime ask myself why obviously ugly girls can continue work in a go-go year after year. The reply I get is that there is some sort of loyalty that goes both way. A good owner will not sack a girl that has been working hard for her bar for many years. This is of course decent. But for a bar it is also a dangerous path. After all, the number one success factor for a bar is beautiful girls. I also think it is not relevant to bring in "The Arab" in this discussion. His bars are obviously a cover up for some other type of activity, so it does not count. I never set my foot in his bars. As long as you run a go-go bar you really do not care if customers perceive it as a "drinking lounge" or a place for barfine. You need to find ways to cater to both and to make sure you can make some money out of both "models".All of that makes sense to me, too. I think some guys are mistaking go-go bar owners, mamasans, management, whatever not being particularly good at creating an atmosphere where the girls are encouraged and rewarded for enticing customers to barfine them and to deliver something competitively worthwhile in the room for some here-to-fore unseen intelligent decision not to be in that business anymore. I read where the girls and service in the various oily/soapy/PSE massage shops is not as good as it used to be, too. But I never hear that those massage shops are "more and more" moving into a chit chat drinking lounge model where P4 P is no longer the primary objective.
Grandaddy Perp
06-20-17, 06:01
All of that makes sense to me, too. I think some guys are mistaking go-go bar owners, mamasans, management, whatever not being particularly good at creating an atmosphere where the girls are encouraged and rewarded for enticing customers to barfine them and to deliver something competitively worthwhile in the room for some here-to-fore unseen intelligent decision not to be in that business anymore. I read where the girls and service in the various oily/soapy/PSE massage shops is not as good as it used to be, too. But I never hear that those massage shops are "more and more" moving into a chit chat drinking lounge model where P4 P is no longer the primary objective.Actually the MP scene has changed. Many have closed and others have consolidating because the majority of the best looking ladies have either went to non-P4P gentlemen's clubs or went online.
As far as Oilies go, well they've always had their niche but they've also had to evolve to present a more 'clean' image with more and more going the massage menu route.
Yes, there are still some who are keeping the old business model on life support and even injecting some new blood into it but it's mostly being done by people who don't have a clue. How many new bars have opened and closed over the years only after being open a year or two?
I think you fail to realize that economics aren't the only thing at play here.
TempStories
06-21-17, 16:38
Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?
Asian Geek
06-21-17, 18:30
Hello all,
I am not a regular in Bangkok, but have visited 3-4 times for couple of days each on business and some pleasure. Have tried some bars in nana plaza. I think I had few gems in emennuel in my last trip. So it is on agenda this time too, if it's still open.
Some of us are planning to come for 5-6 days in end July and this time it is all fun I know that it could be pretty warm and rainy. We are coming from Singapore, so the heat is ok, but rains could spoil the fun. We will stay near nana plaza mostly. Any suggestions in hotels and comments on weather would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
AG.
Redfield10
06-21-17, 18:57
I apologize but I know this post will get more attention if I post here. Looking for a guest friendly hotel in Hua Hin near enough to the beer bars to be easy to get to them. Price range I have in mind is anywhere from $50 USD to maybe $110 USD. I want a decent hotel, but not so far out I can't get to the beer bars easily. Maybe walking distance or easy taxi, etc. Thanks.
Member #4591
06-22-17, 01:29
Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?You can take a bus to Mo Chit BTS from there but it will be slow as hell. If your reasoning is to save time in traffic jams then I would take a taxi from DMK to Mo Chit BTS station and then it's just a 20 minute sky train ride to Nana Station for example. If your flight is arriving in the evening, let's say after 8 PM then it would be just as fast to take a taxi all the way to Sukhumvit. However, if your motivation is only to save money, the taxi from DMK to Suk will be about 200 Baht and 50 Baht for the toll booth which exits at Suk Soi 1. Your in for 250-300 Baht. If you can't afford that, stay home.
Member #4591
06-22-17, 01:33
Has anyone ever tried #62 at Bacarra gogo?
She gives out all the bad signs (super shy, hardly moving on the very end of the stage, no eye contact with anyone) but she has the best breast I've seen in a gogo bar on BKK (she dances on the sometimes topless 1st floor). Perfect size and shape for her body. Being non Japanese, I know I'm almost transparent for Bacarra girls, but her body almost made me try to go for it, in spite of all the bad signs. Feedback would be greatly appreciated!Buddy, without giving a name with that number, you will never get a response. There are hundreds of girls working there and I bet their numbers change often. It seems you are very hesitant to bar fine any girl at a go go bar and you are hoping someone else on here took the plunge for you. That's not how it works. This is how it works: Monger, bar fine a girl, and write a review for others to read.
Your last review was of a girl at Annie's 4 years ago so you've got some catching up to do.
Quote Originally Posted by TempStories
"Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?"
You can take a bus to Mo Chit BTS from there but it will be slow as hell. If your reasoning is to save time in traffic jams then I would take a taxi from DMK to Mo Chit BTS station and then it's just a 20 minute sky train ride to Nana Station for example. If your flight is arriving in the evening, let's say after 8 PM then it would be just as fast to take a taxi all the way to Sukhumvit. However, if your motivation is only to save money, the taxi from DMK to Suk will be about 200 Baht and 50 Baht for the toll booth which exits at Suk Soi 1. Your in for 250-300 Baht. If you can't afford that, stay home.Just outside of the glass doors in the Arrival Area of DMK where signs direct you to the buses, walking briefly to the right after you step outside, there is a designated stop for a bus that goes directly to Mo Chit BTS Station, no stops in between.
The sign pictured in that link says the bus leaves every 12 minutes and goes to "Jatujack", their way of referring to Chatuchak Park MRT Station, which is also the same location as Mo Chit BTS Station. When the bus gets to the BTS/MRT location, look for the stairs going up above the street level to ride on the BTS. For the MRT, look for the stairs going down below the street level.
http://www.thaizer.com/travel-in-thailand/airport-bus-service-to-and-from-bangkok-don-muang/
I take that bus every time I arrive at DMK. Since it is a direct transport, I don't think it has ever taken me more than 15-20 minutes to get to Mo Chit BTS Station. 30 baht, pay the attendant on the bus. Personally, I wouldn't bother with a taxi to get to Mo Chit BTS Station from DMK unless I arrived at a time when that bus isn't running (see the sign in the link). I suppose if I had a lot of luggage to deal with I might take a taxi. But I never do. This bus accommodates carry-on luggage ok.
But don't mistakenly get on the bus going to Victory Monument BTS Station since that one does take a bit longer. These bus destinations are clearly marked in English.
Thanks all for helping out on the to do's for Bangkok.
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Was out in like 1. 2 hours and then walked down to check the address for Dr BJ's bar but couldn't find it. There are plenty of bars and massage places in the particular street but couldn't find this one.Dr. BJ's Salon is now called "Wood Bar!" Same address as before.
The new name for their Nuru Massage venue on the same street, Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, is "Chrome Bar".
Actually the MP scene has changed. Many have closed and others have consolidating because the majority of the best looking ladies have either went to non-P4P gentlemen's clubs or went online.
As far as Oilies go, well they've always had their niche but they've also had to evolve to present a more 'clean' image with more and more going the massage menu route.
Yes, there are still some who are keeping the old business model on life support and even injecting some new blood into it but it's mostly being done by people who don't have a clue. How many new bars have opened and closed over the years only after being open a year or two?
I think you fail to realize that economics aren't the only thing at play here.Actually, I don't think I made a case for economics having anything to do with the point I made. Maybe only when it comes to finding a lady for the night being cheaper and less hassle via apps or dating sites than some go-go bars make it for their customers. But I don't think the cost is the deal killer really. And I do recognize there are other forces at play in why some venues have changed their style somewhat, including clean up efforts by the new Minister of Tourism. But some bizarre new interest among Asian or Farang men in not getting laid but instead sitting around chit chatting with bargirls and buying Lady Drinks with no barfine option on the table isn't high among them when it comes to the Bangkok go-go bar scene, imo.
Crocodilexp
06-22-17, 07:27
chit chat drinking lounge model where P4 P is no longer the primary objective.I'm certain that very few people have the primary objective of traveling from overseas with the aim of visiting a no-takeout "chat drinking lounge" where the hostesses are uneducated and let's face it, not exactly stunning, Issan girls who can't even chat properly in English. They might visit the place by mistake, exactly once. Is that a sustainable business model?
Dion Cassius
06-22-17, 07:53
Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?Uber was the most convenient for me.
Grandaddy Perp
06-22-17, 10:46
I'm certain that very few people have the primary objective of traveling from overseas with the aim of visiting a no-takeout "chat drinking lounge" where the hostesses are uneducated and let's face it, not exactly stunning, Issan girls who can't even chat properly in English. They might visit the place by mistake, exactly once. Is that a sustainable business model?Currently several bars have coyotes who are often much better looking than the ladies who are actually BF'able. Guys come in relax stare at the hot dancers have a few drinks, succumb to their urges and BF the available girls or bar hop until they find something better or eventually just book someone online.
This system will continue to progress to the point where most bars just have coyotes and no P4P options and ordering online is the main and potentially only option to get P4P.
Say what you will but the realities are the powers that be want the scene to be more transparent and the whole agogo scene is predominately dependent on specific generations of customers that are coming less and less. The younger generations of men who come to Thailand for fun are finding it more readily available for free or use dating sites / apps to meet ladies.
Franciscass
06-22-17, 13:20
Chit chat lounges, really! Typical exchange with your average Cowboy attendee goes something like this.
"Hello what your name".
"Where you come from".
"Where you stay".
"Buy me cola".
Either she vanishes or there is 10 minutes silence and then.
"Buy me cola".
I did have a conversation once with a stunner who wanted to discuss the latest developments in quantum mysticism as it applied to the metaphysical interaction of consciousness and intelligence. Just as it was getting interesting I woke up.
World Travel 69
06-22-17, 15:18
http://www.iamwannee.com/how-to-get-from-suvarnabhumi-airport-to-sukhumvit/
It is cheap and easy.
Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?
World Travel 69
06-22-17, 15:20
And other BJ bars.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1JsytdNc-5HFJnH8bOOuoHxREvG0&ll=13.740321821035131%2C100.56355498857306&z=16
Dr. BJ's Salon is now called "Wood Bar!" Same address as before.
The new name for their Nuru Massage venue on the same street, Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, is "Chrome Bar".
Has anyone ever tried #62 at Bacarra gogo?I don't know their numbers. But if you post a photo, I might be able to tell you.
GoldenBear81
06-22-17, 18:35
I have a lot of endurance. I can pop 2-3 x if I'm turned on by the girl. But I have no interest in a sleepover. Would a 2 HR visit w / multiple pops be a "LT" or "ST"? Would this be a hard thing to negotiate / clarify beforehand? I was thinking of bringing a card w / what I want written in Thai (geeky I know).
SirWilliam4
06-22-17, 20:01
http://www.iamwannee.com/how-to-get-from-suvarnabhumi-airport-to-sukhumvit/
It is cheap and easy.He asked about travel from DMK, not from BKK. No train from DMK yet. It's still under construction. Two choices from DMK to Sukhumvit. Take a taxi all the way, or taxi to Mo Chit BTS station and BTS from there to Nana or Asoke.
SW4.
I've always been a fan of soapies, but haven't had a chance to go for a while. I used to go to Nataree (before it closed down) and Annies (before the talent went down and the prices up). I was glad to find out recently thanks to a forum post that there's an upscale place like Mitu on Suk 33, and decided to give it a chance.
Short version: it's overpriced.
Long version:
Good points: The location is easy to find and not too far from the BTS. The staff is super friendly, and you even get a free ice cream after your session. The rooms are clean and pretty big, and most of all the air con is not freezing, which tends to be the case in too many massages places.
Average points. You get to choose from a menu on an iPad (actually, they show you their online page and you scroll down) so you don't see the girls in real life before you choose them. I asked Papasan who was there, he pointed out 4 girls and recommended the 1st one. I followed his advice and chose Faris. To me, she looks like a far cousin from the girl on the pictures. She's heavier, very average looking, but nice smile (braces) and a good personality. She speaks little English, but enough. I would not have chosen her if gotten the chance to see a lineup. After a shower, we went into soapie mode on a good air mattress. I was lying on my front, and that part was amazing. Finally a true soapy experience, she knew what she was doing and doing it well. After about 7 minutes, she turned me around, and this takes us to the *negative points* section..Romannico,
Try Akane on Suk 33. I go there when I'm lazy and let the lady / ladies do all the work. I generally go for the M-Lotion massage (90 minutes 1780 baht) or the V-3 Two Lady Fashion massage (90 minutes 2580 baht) in the VIP room. The VIP room is clean and spacious with a couch, double bed and a large shower area with an air mattress.
FS is not on the menu so this may not be for everyone but the level of service I have received for the B2B and BJ service has always been very good to excellent. Recently I made a reservation with Yuki for the 90 minute M-Lotion massage. Typical meet and greet and up to the room. She returned a few minutes later and proceeded to give me a nice slow, soft blow job with some DT for 10-15 minutes. We moved over to the air mattress and she washed me from head to toe, then applied a warm lotion made from seaweed and the B2B massage started. It was very nice, unhurried with tits and pussy everywhere and included a bit of 69. I rolled on my stomach and she rimmed me for at least 10 minutes. She finished me with an excellent BJ and I came in her mouth.
With the time left I could have had another shot but asked for a body scrub instead (no power left) followed by a nice head and face massage on the bed. I left feeling very clean, relaxed and totally satisfied. I paid 1780 to the shop and tipped 500 baht. I think it is a good value. The V-3 with two ladies can be very good too.
I have a lot of endurance. I can pop 2-3 x if I'm turned on by the girl. But I have no interest in a sleepover. Would a 2 HR visit w / multiple pops be a "LT" or "ST"? Would this be a hard thing to negotiate / clarify beforehand? I was thinking of bringing a card w / what I want written in Thai (geeky I know).Most Thai do not have endurance. Guys that have endurance should consider taking more than one girl to share the load. Hard to negotiate unless girls speak good English.
You certainly need to get agreement for 3 hours 3 pops. A threesome or 4 some might work well but cost you.
Grandaddy Perp
06-23-17, 05:26
I have a lot of endurance. I can pop 2-3 x if I'm turned on by the girl. But I have no interest in a sleepover. Would a 2 HR visit w / multiple pops be a "LT" or "ST"? Would this be a hard thing to negotiate / clarify beforehand? I was thinking of bringing a card w / what I want written in Thai (geeky I know).These days, a 2-hour session is considered ST but often will include 2 pops. When negotiating its best to tell them up front what your expectations are otherwise they will do the least amount of work possible and act dumb even though the shop they work in says 2 hours 2 pops or cum as many as you can in the time given. Just hold up two fingers and say 'I cum' and they should get the idea. Some will consider the 2 X to be HJ / BJ for the 1st and FS for the 2nd so best to be clear about that.
Crocodilexp
06-23-17, 05:53
I have a lot of endurance. I can pop 2-3 x if I'm turned on by the girl. But I have no interest in a sleepover. Would a 2 HR visit w / multiple pops be a "LT" or "ST"? Would this be a hard thing to negotiate / clarify beforehand? I was thinking of bringing a card w / what I want written in Thai (geeky I know).Good question, and fortunately it's simple. Specify you want to "finish 2 times" -- that much English should be widely understood, but Thai is "set song kang" if you need to confirm. You will not have a problem, as long as the girl agrees to this as well as the price beforehand.
Some years ago, 2 pops was the deal I made with basically all freelancers I took off Sukhumwit, and about 70% took it without trouble, at the ST going rate (1000-1500 baht back then). It's a good filter too, ones who refused would have probably provided crappy service anyway. These days, girls are more eager to get in and out quickly with minimal service, but I'm sure you'll still find enough takers.
Be very clear in your negotiation, and don't go for the unclear "2 hours", "maybe 2-3 pops" or even "as much as I can pop within 2 hours", all of those can lead to misunderstandings. No need to use the card, "2 pops" is very easy to get across in English, Thai, or improvised sign language. If you can't get even "2 pops" across clearly verbally, you're better off not even taking the girl, since minimal communication is necessary for a decent session. Just make sure the girl clearly agrees, and also set down the price before going. Fortunately, pops are something that's easy to be perfectly clear about, there's no ambiguity possible (as it is with many other "special requests".
I think if you ask for 3 pops you might get fewer takers and a less iron-clad agreement, since there's a huge variety among punters, and the girl might be wary of accepting. Most people can do the 2nd pop within an hour or two, if they care to do it at all. But 3 can take many hours and some vigorous fucking for the majority.
Be very clear in your negotiation, and don't go for the unclear "2 hours", "maybe 2-3 pops" or even "as much as I can pop within 2 hours", all of those can lead to misunderstandings. No need to use the card, "2 pops" is very easy to get across in English, Thai, or improvised sign language. If you can't get even "2 pops" across clearly verbally, you're better off not even taking the girl, since minimal communication is necessary for a decent session.I absolutely agree with your assertion here. But would only go further by saying you are better off not even taking the girl if she appears not to understand any one of a whole bunch of rather common P4 P service options you might want from her; BBBJ, CIM, 2 pops, LT vs ST, etc. Assuming she has been at the job more than 2-3 days in her life, she knows perfectly well what we are asking of her whether it is in fluent Thai, zero Thai, on Google Translate, or via woefully pathetic pantomime. She is very likely only pretending not to understand for reasons that will not come out in your favor back in the hotel room.
Since I couldn't get off 2 rounds in a night even if I wanted, I don't care one bit about "2 pops". However, I have tried asking for that in the past thinking that it might result in finding a girl who provides better service. Unfortunately, what it does is causes the girl to try to rush you into cumming as fast as possible the first time because she wants to get to the 2nd round as soon as possible. Since in my case, there is no 2nd round, it's a waste.
Saw this interesting Advert in CL with a title "Costume" with some nice pics. Girl was my type, petite with reasonable assets so I decided to give it a shot. I used CL in other countries but never in Thailand, and as usual I was a bit skeptic about bait and switch etc. Typical CL frauds. To my surprise, the girl did not as for room number, full name etc. And asked me to pick her from the lobby. This is always a good sign. And it was, she was the same girl as in photo and I was happy to lead her to my room.
Once in room. She did not ask for money. She never mentioned money until I brought it up after the first session.
We started with a good shower, she washed me thoroughly and insisted we both brush out teeth. Then she started with BBBJ and she is good. After a while we go to the bed, missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggy. And 10 minutes later johnny explodes!! We clean up and she starts giving a very nice massage. Her massage was actually very very good, a rare combination, because the ones who advert Sex are generally mediocre or poor in massage skill. About an hour into the massage she starts blowing again. 2nd session was about 25 minutes, multiple position, equally enjoyable. This girl enjoys what she does, very enthusiastic and eager to please.
Took a few pics of her, but she asked me not to put them online. I can share on PM. Attached pic is the only one she said I cud publish.
Looks: 7/10.
Body: 8/10 (Silicon).
Attitude: 8/10.
English: 6/10.
Damage: 3 k for 2 hours, 2 pops + massage.
WIR: Definitely.
Since I couldn't get off 2 rounds in a night even if I wanted, I don't care one bit about "2 pops". However, {Massive snip}
Since in my case, there is no 2nd round, it's a waste.
I'm with you Smoothy. It's my dime and I'll spend it how I want.
GoldenBear81
06-23-17, 18:34
Good question, and fortunately it's simple. Specify you want to "finish 2 times" -- that much English should be widely understood, but Thai is "set song kang" if you need to confirm. You will not have a problem, as long as the girl agrees to this as well as the price beforehand.
Some years ago, 2 pops was the deal I made with basically all freelancers I took off Sukhumwit, and about 70% took it without trouble, at the ST going rate (1000-1500 baht back then). It's a good filter too, ones who refused would have probably provided crappy service anyway. These days, girls are more eager to get in and out quickly with minimal service, but I'm sure you'll still find enough takers.
Be very clear in your negotiation, and don't go for the unclear "2 hours", "maybe 2-3 pops" or even "as much as I can pop within 2 hours", all of those can lead to misunderstandings. No need to use the card, "2 pops" is very easy to get across in English, Thai, or improvised sign language. If you can't get even "2 pops" across clearly verbally, you're better off not even taking the girl, since minimal communication is necessary for a decent session. Just make sure the girl clearly agrees, and also set down the price before going. Fortunately, pops are something that's easy to be perfectly clear about, there's no ambiguity possible (as it is with many other "special requests".
I think if you ask for 3 pops you might get fewer takers and a less iron-clad agreement, since there's a huge variety among punters, and the girl might be wary of accepting. Most people can do the 2nd pop within an hour or two, if they care to do it at all. But 3 can take many hours and some vigorous fucking for the majority.Well regarding the 3 x. I was thinking of more of an LT session, but w / o the sleeping. I imagine in that case I would pay the LT rate and just give her her payment and tip when we're done. I should have specified that. From what I'm reading I may just be better off going back out and finding a new girl which is fine with me. Or maybe if I'm impressed with the chic I could negotiate an extension. Thanks BTW--to all the BM's who responded!
After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.
Thanks for intel.
DD.
Member #4591
06-24-17, 02:31
After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.
Thanks for intel.
DD.Nothing like this is openly available in Thailand. This is YMMV with the ladies. End of story and end of discussion.
I'm certain that very few people have the primary objective of traveling from overseas with the aim of visiting a no-takeout "chat drinking lounge" where the hostesses are uneducated and let's face it, not exactly stunning, Issan girls who can't even chat properly in English. They might visit the place by mistake, exactly once. Is that a sustainable business model?I assume there must be some venues in town catering to this weird desire. I mean, there are places where guys pay serious Thai-level P4 P money for a HJ. But I don't know of any go-go bar in all of Bangkok (or Pattaya, no doubt) that is knowingly, purposely and openly transforming from the classic "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" model into anything like what has been described here.
Of course, I know there are go-go bars that try to fool customers into thinking that "get laid" part of the deal will occur when the truth is the Coyotes dragging suckers into the bar have no intention of any such thing happening and, in fact, have been hired specifically not to leave the bar with a customer for any reason whatsoever. But if any of those girls voluntarily spilled the beans on the scam or if the proprietors of those go-go bars placed a sign stating (in English, Japanese and Korean) that this bar is now offering that hot new trend of allowing you to sit and chat with our girls, buy plenty of Lady Drinks, but drop the idea of having sex with them out of your thoughts, I suspect only deaf and blind customers would ever find themselves sitting in one.
Perhaps such go-go bars are all the rage in Tokyo, Japan or Seoul, Korea. But, like you, I don't understand why guys would fly to Thailand to do the same thing with Thai girls. Frankly, making a case for such a "trend" with regard to go-go bars sounds to me like a failed go-go bar owner's excuse for why very few customers barfine his unsuitable and poorly managed girls or why he had to hire an agency to dress up the place with decent looking girls who fancy themselves to be non-P4 P "models" and not hookers.
After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.
Thanks for intel.
DD.The short answer is you'll find it with some girls everywhere but not "openly". Being offered and getting Anal Sex is presented quite openly around town, but I have never seen BBFS touted openly anywhere in Thailand. Interesting to note then that I believe there are more abbreviations and phrases for what amounts to BBFS listed on this site than there are for Anal Sex. So it seems as though there are at least as many if not more discussions of BBFS expected here than for "A+" service (an abbreviation that is not included on this site's list, btw). LOL.
Just start asking and you will get takers sooner or later, but make sure you ask as discretely and privately as possible. I am talking whisper in the ear kind of discretion. The vast majority of Thai girls will not be comfortable with letting even their closest friend know they are considering and might agree to BBFS with a customer. And your interest in getting two girls willing to agree to it and engage in it in a threesome will be a heavy lift indeed. My experience has been it is much more agreeable from go-go girls, places like Mandarin Bar, Billboard, Twisters, Bangkok Bunnies in Nana Plaza, Crazy House, Suzie Wong in Soi Cowboy, etc. than in almost any other venues like beer bars, massage shops, or even freelancers. Still, Your Mileage May Vary.
That said, I would strongly urge anyone endeavoring to engage in a BBFS mission to first get circumcised and get a vasectomy, always carry a truthful recent clean blood check document from a reliable clinic and offer to show it to the girl, avoid engaging in prolonged "rough" sexual activity that might cause skin abrasions, never just roll over and go to sleep after a session, get up and wash with soap and water within minutes of finishing, and take a whizz (a quaint colloquialism to avoid the Code Word attack) . Following the above regime is likely to prevent unwanted pregnancy and spread of disease many, many times more effectively than what actually occurs with guys who do almost none of those things but claim to wear a condom all the time.
After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.
Thanks for intel.
DD.I found BB girls in Bangkok in Climax and Crazy House. But you never know for sure. Sometimes they do and sometimes not. Or they forget bring their condoms. Then you say you haven't neither. Be. Be. Trios are even harder to find.
The best is to go to the Philippines. I have been to Manila and Cebu. Almost every girls is into BB over their. I picked up girls in Burgos street bars and fucked them all BB.
In Cebu also very easy. Mango square street walkers and girls in JAve disco all go BB without problem.
If you also like black girls then Madagascar is your paradise.
Very cheap and BB trios all the time.
I live close to Germany and also enjoyed the AO scene but the last years it became a bit tricky.
Came back home often with an std under my wings.
After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.
Thanks for intel.
DD.I find getting LT with gogo girls to be the most productive way to get it. So that is the intell I want to share with you so that you enjoy your stay. But you are not guaranteed to get BBFS. So just be prepared that the given girl may not offer it and you may have to ditch her and get another. Also yes, YMMV. Some get it, some don't. There are a number of factors on this. Obviously someone who is experienced with getting it will know how to procure it.
Oh one last thing, you may want to get an HIV test and paper print out just a day / same-day as you go around offering this. It would help to have your papers in order and makes the girl feel safer and is a good backup plan in case they say no. I don't suggest being eager to show them this paper because well, it's weird, and they will question it's validity if you are using it as a selling point so eagerly.
Hi guys,
I am a new member, Had been watching the forum for about a month. I might not be good in reviewing or writing reports. Pardon me if any.
Reached there by morning around 5:00. The entire trip was for shopping for my bike.
The night checked into room around 8 pm got refreshed and then left straight to rainbow found some interesting honeys was interested in a threesome, remembered one of the seniors advice saying that to make the girl choose the another spent around some time making sure they are ok with each other. Bought 2 bottles while going back.
Took them back to the room. "It was great" the girls were really wild. The girls names were Sandara and grace.
Cost= 6 k + 2 k at bar.
(will try to do a better job next time about reports).
Have fun fellow mongers.
KenjiYoshioka
06-24-17, 09:46
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Applesauce
06-24-17, 18:11
Any Russian or Eastern European girls in Bangkok these days? Pattaya is out of the question for me just due to lack of time.
Any Russian or Eastern European girls in Bangkok these days? Pattaya is out of the question for me just due to lack of time.Yes, there are.
Gannaton48
06-25-17, 12:57
As I wrote here before, I as a fan of Beergarden in Soi 7. Obviously it is clsoed now (really, is it?) and someone werote the girls are now in Hillary 4. Since I am going to BKK within a couple fo weeks, can local punters confirm that? Where are the Beergarden ladies to be found now? Thanks for your help!
Member #4591
06-25-17, 15:17
As I wrote here before, I as a fan of Beergarden in Soi 7. Obviously it is clsoed now (really, is it?) and someone werote the girls are now in Hillary 4. Since I am going to BKK within a couple fo weeks, can local punters confirm that? Where are the Beergarden ladies to be found now? Thanks for your help!I was there 3 weeks ago for a beer so obviously is was open. But it is nothing like the old days when you could find all ages there. What we said before is Climax is closed and many of the girls from there have moved to Hillary 2.
Member #4591
06-25-17, 15:51
After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners. Thanks for intel.
DD.
Nothing like this is openly available in Thailand. This is YMMV with the ladies. End of story and end of discussion.
The short answer is you'll find it with some girls everywhere but not "openly". Being offered and getting Anal Sex is presented quite openly around town, but I have never seen BBFS touted openly anywhere in Thailand. Interesting to note then that I believe there are more abbreviations and phrases for what amounts to BBFS listed on this site than there are for Anal Sex. So it seems as though there are at least as many if not more discussions of BBFS expected here than for "A+" service (an abbreviation that is not included on this site's list, btw). LOL. Just start asking and you will get takers sooner or later, but make sure you ask as discretely and privately as possible...............
I find getting LT with gogo girls to be the most productive way to get it. So that is the intell I want to share with you so that you enjoy your stay. But you are not guaranteed to get BBFS. So just be prepared that the given girl may not offer it and you may have to ditch her and get another. Also yes, YMMV. Some get it, some don't. There are a number of factors on this. Obviously someone who is experienced with getting it will know how to procure it...............
I found BB girls in Bangkok in Climax and Crazy House. But you never know for sure. Sometimes they do and sometimes not. Or they forget bring their condoms. Then you say you haven't neither. Be. Be. Trios are even harder to find...........
This report was edited or deleted to remove complaints about the unsafe sex practices of another forum member. Per the Forum's Posting Guidelines, Unsafe Sex Complaints may only be posted in the safe sex thread. Members may also use the Forum's PM system to voice their complaints about the unsafe sex practices of another Forum Member.
Please do not post complaints about the unsafe sex practices of another forum members. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information.I tried to derail the topic by saying end of discussion for this very reason but some stubborn members just kept it going.
Just like complaints about safe sex must be kept in the safe sex thread, single posts with the main topic as BBFS are also not allowed. Fair is fair right. So let's be fair and keep the posts with BBFS service as the main topic out of the forum and the safe sex complaints to the safe sex thread. All will be happier in the end in my humble opinion. So again, there is nothing wrong with mentioning BBFS in a post but as I've read in the forum guidelines, BBFS cannot be the main topic of any one post. For example, where to find BBFS.
I'm sure I'll get criticized for this post by some members but I don't care. Jackson has been kind enough to provide this forum for our use and if I can help to limit the time he and the other moderators spend posting these blue messages and deleting posts I'm happy to do it.
MusicalToM
06-25-17, 16:50
Any Russian or Eastern European girls in Bangkok these days? Pattaya is out of the question for me just due to lack of time.Like Smoothy said yes they are, but I wouldn't recommend since most of the times they are fake. However you can look in backpage and few other sites where they put ads regarding there service with photos.
Let me start with Russians:
How to get them?
1 - Online advertisement portals like backpage. Most of the times once you confirm booking some other old ugly lady would come instead of the lady you booked for. You could say no but have to pay for the taxi which would be around 1 k. Arguing wouldn't be nice choice with them.
2 - Escort portals. Same story here, you book a girl and there are high chances another lady would come instead of her. However there are some reliable agencies who provide legit girls like What You See is What You Get. But again most of the times they would say they don't have any guarantee on the service they would provide, meaning the lady could be starfish in bed!
3 - Freelance clubs like Mixx. This is the best place to get a genuine white Russian chick since there is no middleman between the customer and lady, even you could bargain, ask questions about her service. Etc.
Now let's go for Euro Girls:
1 - Online advertisement portals like backpage / Escort portals. Both the places there are high chances the lady would Russian / Czech / Polish, I mean common they are white but they are not European.
2 - Freelance clubs like Mixx. You have to make sure the lady is European by any means you could.
However if your requirement is to get a Caucasian lady then why give a fuck about whether she is Russian or European, just get a nice lady and enjoy! But most of the times Russians will cheat you in any means.
Yes, there are.Loved it man, ultimate savage!!
I tried to derail the topic by saying end of discussion for this very reason but some stubborn members just kept it going.
Just like complaints about safe sex must be kept in the safe sex thread, single posts with the main topic as BBFS are also not allowed. Fair is fair right. So let's be fair and keep the posts with BBFS service as the main topic out of the forum and the safe sex complaints to the safe sex thread. All will be happier in the end in my humble opinion. So again, there is nothing wrong with mentioning BBFS in a post but as I've read in the forum guidelines, BBFS cannot be the main topic of any one post. For example, where to find BBFS.
I'm sure I'll get criticized for this post by some members but I don't care. Jackson has been kind enough to provide this forum for our use and if I can help to limit the time he and the other moderators spend posting these blue messages and deleting posts I'm happy to do it.First of all, it appears some posters couldn't care less what you think determines the "end of discussion" on anything and no matter how many times you respond that way re this topic. Luckily for you, that includes the moderators. Otherwise, your "end of discussion" command post on this topic would have been deleted without comment as fast as KenjiYoshioka's post was.
Second, I still say it is highly debatable whether or not that one guideline sentence among dozens about posts being the "focus of any report" is referring to non-judgmental, non-"safe sex taunting" posts on the general subject of BBFS or referring to the kind of judgmental posts you and KenjiYoshioka introduced into this forum's thread; namely, "safe sex taunting" posts. That specific issue is the total reference point of those guidelines in virtually every sentence that appears before and after that one, single sentence:
From the Guidelines:
"No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment."
Perhaps it is simply a matter of clumsy sentence structure, a misplaced or dropped word or two. I honestly think all evidence suggests they meant to say something more like, "Specifically, references to other posters having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report." Just read that paragraph. "Safe sex taunting" is the point of reference for the sentence before that sentence and the one after it. That is what they are talking about. One has to pluck that one, single, solitary sentence totally out of context of the entire lengthy guidelines on this topic to conclude it means what you think it means.
Until and unless that issue is clarified by the moderators / administrators (which I welcome no matter which side it falls on), I will continue to conclude they are only talking about "safe sex taunting" posts in that one sentence and not posts such as DFWdude's original question and any and all non-judgmental and non-"safe sex taunting" replies to it.
My position is supported by the fact the virtually everything else in those guidelines, every other sentence, every reference, the entire tone and seeming purpose of that whole entry in the guidelines is there to warn against the kind of post that was deleted here and instead provides a lengthy defense of the kind of post DFWdude made, his question and every non-judgmental, non-"safe sex taunting" reply to it.
If it meant what you think it means, then DFWdude's original question about BBFS would have been deleted by the moderators as quickly as KenjiYoshioka's was because one cannot ask such a simple question in a post without it being the "focus of the report". But it wasn't deleted. It was left there in its entirety in order to allow other posters to respond and reply to it with any non-judgmental, non-"safe sex taunting" posts, replies, answers or comments they want. It is silly to expect posters to go off on a tangent about irrelevant issues within a single post just to get that one question in there in order to abide by your particular interpretation of the guideline. And then we can also get into the weeds about what constitutes a "report" vs a "question", an "answer", a "reply", a "comment" and so on.
As long as the moderators saw fit to leave DFWdude's original question post in place and unedited, which by logic and necessity meant the concept of BBFS was the entire "focus" of that post, then I call that evidence enough that the moderators are just fine with whatever non-judgmental, non-"safe sex taunting" replies the question garners and for how long it continues to interest enough posters to keep replying and commenting on it that way. Sorry, Bkkdog, but the evidence is overwhelming that it won't be up to you to decide when that time has arrived, now or ever.
SleightOfHand
06-26-17, 09:48
Hello from Mumbai, India to all fellow brothers in Thailand,
I tried to RTFF but, wow. This country's forums or is it for-a are just fantastically huge filled with wonderful details about the all the whys and wherefores of mongering in not just BKK but Chiang Mai and Pattaya and what-not. Mind-boggling.
Notwithstanding the questionable reputation my countrymen often bring to your cities to say the least; Indian guy here coming solo to your beautiful country to sample some of the fine ladies though, plan to see some other sights too such as museums, head north to other towns etc.
Honest question here: My soldier is short and spends a lot of time dozing these days. The last one year has been a jump off a cliff in terms of activity. Ever since I hit 40,the Muay THai shots have been in slo-mo!
So, to any fellow brother out there who may suggest penile enlargement, through reputed doctors, I'd be highly obliged.
In return, I can provide some Indies, SPs, MPs here in Mumbai, not that you (the Swiss) need to leave your country for sampling chocolate!
Thank you in advance.
So my trip in Pattaya is coming to an end and I will be heading over to Bangkok tomorrow.
I am hoping to have more PSE experience (re: anal) and check off the bucket list item "MFM: double penetration". I mean go to any porn site and more than half of the videos have two guys stuffing girl in two or more holes, and if anywhere I can be done, it would be Bangkok, right? I had a trouble finding girls doing just anal at Pattaya!
Since I'm there for two nights, I do not have time to look for a guy partner, so I guess the next best thing is finding a ladyboy who are willing to fuck a girl together and not each other. I've found one that would do it for 4000 THB.
Now the next part is probably harder: finding a girl who does anal AND MFM. And I do not mean 50 year old hag you wouldn't fuck after 20 shots of vodka. I am hoping a hottie in her 20's. Yes I dream big.
Here I inquire the sages of ISG. Where oh where would I be able to find such a combination of beauty and talent?
So ....I am hoping to have more PSE experience (re: anal) and check off the bucket list item "MFM: double penetration". *snip*
Here I inquire the sages of ISG. Where oh where would I be able to find such a combination of beauty and talent?Hate to bust your bubble, Mander, but with 48 hours on the ground? You will find that combination only in your dreams.
But let us know how it turns out. TTG.
Member #4591
06-26-17, 14:15
So my trip in Pattaya is coming to an end and I will be heading over to Bangkok tomorrow.
I am hoping to have more PSE experience (re: anal) and check off the bucket list item "MFM: double penetration". I mean go to any porn site and more than half of the videos have two guys stuffing girl in two or more holes, and if anywhere I can be done, it would be Bangkok, right? I had a trouble finding girls doing just anal at Pattaya!
Since I'm there for two nights, I do not have time to look for a guy partner, so I guess the next best thing is finding a ladyboy who are willing to fuck a girl together and not each other. I've found one that would do it for 4000 THB.
Now the next part is probably harder: finding a girl who does anal AND MFM. And I do not mean 50 year old hag you wouldn't fuck after 20 shots of vodka. I am hoping a hottie in her 20's. Yes I dream big.
Here I inquire the sages of ISG. Where oh where would I be able to find such a combination of beauty and talent?I don't find your request that difficult. Why not just PM a few ISG members to go hunting with you. I'm not in for that but I think some others might be. Secondly, I have seen that very thing on CL where a lady and ladyboy combo were on offer. I would go to Nana Plaza and ask some of the ladies. I think you could find because I have seen many videos made in Thailand with threesomes MFM. I would also try asking the ladyboys in the bars. They often have willing female friends. But the easiest would be for you to PM another ISG memeber who you know is local and go with him. I know for a fact, many ladies would be up for it in the go go bars as long as you paid her twice, once for each guy. It's easy money for them. If you become a cheap Charlie and want her to duck 2 guys but only pay her once, this is when you will have difficulty.
Oh I bet Dao or any other Tulip girl who also be up for that. Good luck.
Thanks for your reply in the Bangkok thread.
I'm kinda sold on MFM with a ladyboy. I could be wrong, but I think I would be much more comfortable with a ladyboy than other man. Plus, in my experience in MFMF (no anal) in Pattaya, I had an ISG buddy, but it was quite harder because we both needed to like the girl and other logistics. I'd rather pay a LB and call my shots. As for rate for girl, yeah I am expecting double rate (3000 x2?) plus a-level cost (1000-2000? Which would total damage around 10 k 12 k THB. Is that reasonable?
Can you name any Agogo bars I should try? I've looked up Eden, but the girls didn't look that hot. Tulip didn't have any internet presence. Would I be able to find 20-26 years old 8's and 9's?
Thanks! And I hope I've provided a nice distraction from BBFS topic as well.
Member #4591
06-26-17, 15:30
Thanks for your reply in the Bangkok thread.
I'm kinda sold on MFM with a ladyboy. I could be wrong, but I think I would be much more comfortable with a ladyboy than other man. Plus, in my experience in MFMF (no anal) in Pattaya, I had an ISG buddy, but it was quite harder because we both needed to like the girl and other logistics. I'd rather pay a LB and call my shots. As for rate for girl, yeah I am expecting double rate (3000 x2?) plus a-level cost (1000-2000? Which would total damage around 10 k 12 k THB. Is that reasonable?
Can you name any Agogo bars I should try? I've looked up Eden, but the girls didn't look that hot. Tulip didn't have any internet presence. Would I be able to find 20-26 years old 8's and 9's?
Thanks! And I hope I've provided a nice distraction from BBFS topic as well.I can't recommend anything other than what I've said already accept using We Chat.
Crocodilexp
06-26-17, 18:44
So, to any fellow brother out there who may suggest penile enlargement, through reputed doctors, I'd be highly obliged.
Stickman has mentioned a newly opened enlargement shop in one of his recent columns, I think it was called "he Clinic", near Thonglor. This is not a recommendation / endorsement. The idea of enlargement terrifies me, any extensive medical procedure has risks and it would probably not actually enhance your performance, surely not during the recovery period.
Could you simply try Viagra / Cialis and the generic alternatives? Working girls don't give a damn about how big you are (unless you're too big). For regular girls, if you got into their pants, the size of your member will not make them either stay or leave the relationship. If you worry, good DATY (cunnilingus) technique is far, far more effective in getting the woman satisfied than extra 1-2 inches, and it can be learned, no surgery needed.
SleightOfHand
06-26-17, 19:14
Thank you for the response. Crocexp.
Have tried some great pills. The problem with those: Major Acidity and breathlessness that stays for a couple of days. Of course, due precautions noted. Won't undergo anything without proper guidance / warnings etc.
Cheers.
Stickman has mentioned a newly opened enlargement shop in one of his recent columns, I think it was called "he Clinic", near Thonglor. This is not a recommendation / endorsement. The idea of enlargement terrifies me, any extensive medical procedure has risks and it would probably not actually enhance your performance, surely not during the recovery period.
Could you simply try Viagra / Cialis and the generic alternatives? Working girls don't give a damn about how big you are (unless you're too big). For regular girls, if you got into their pants, the size of your member will not make them either stay or leave the relationship. If you worry, good DATY (cunnilingus) technique is far, far more effective in getting the woman satisfied than extra 1-2 inches, and it can be learned, no surgery needed.
I'm kinda sold on MFM with a ladyboy. *snip* Can you name any Agogo bars I should try? I've looked up Eden, but the girls didn't look that hot. Tulip didn't have any internet presence. Would I be able to find 20-26 years old 8's and 9's?
l.There was a report from a guy who went to Tulip with a friend, wanting a MFM session and had no takers at the shop. If the ladies aren't up for it in the shop where the situation is controlled, I have trouble believing they'll go out with an unknown man or men. (Actually, Eden is a better bet.) You will not find 20-25 year old Women, that you would rate 8 or 9 at Tulip or Eden.
Uncle Volodya
06-27-17, 06:10
So my trip in Pattaya is coming to an end and I will be heading over to Bangkok tomorrow.
I am hoping to have more PSE experience (re: anal) and check off the bucket list item "MFM: double penetration". I mean go to any porn site and more than half of the videos have two guys stuffing girl in two or more holes, and if anywhere I can be done, it would be Bangkok, right? I had a trouble finding girls doing just anal at Pattaya!
First the MFFFFM orgy and now DPs! You are an animal! LOL. I like your style, my friend.
I think it may be difficult to find the DP with 20 year old girl on short notice. The closest I've come is with two girls form Devli's Den a few years back. Me and one of the girls DPed the other (her using a strap on). Hot stuff!
I'd go to one of the bars at Nana or Soi Cowboy (like Cockatoo) that has hot LBs and ask one of them if she has a GF that is in to that. Another potential roadblock to your plan is also that some of the hotter LBs are taking a lot of female hormones and their equipment doesn't really work anymore.
Arrived late afternoon yesterday.
Checked into the Radisson Blu in sukhumvit. It's a lovely hotel. Close to all the action.
I went to club 102. See detailed report for that in the massage section.
The fist bar I hit was crazy house at about 8 pm. They must have had about 50 to 75 girls. It was buzzing. I tipped the mammasan 100 thb and she got me a seat right close to the stage. I was there till about 10 pm. It's got a good vibe. It's a crazy wild gogo. Breaking balloons from spitting arrows from the "you know where " to body painting. I bought a few ld. And some of the girls spent some time with me. Boldly rubbing my boner in front of everyone. Well I was not alone. This was quite a common sight. I enjoyed it except for one girl who stayed with me for not more than 2 minutes. After I bought her a ld. Thb 300. She wanted me to BF her for 700 thb and her rates are 3 k. The moment I said I am not keen on BF and just want to enjoy drinking and messing around she excused herself saying she wanted to use the toilet. And never to be seen. Stink.
I left the crazy horse at about 2200 or 2215 and headed to barracca. It's was ok. Didn't like the fare that much. They were painting one of the girls on stage. And it was a bit boring. I left after 1 drink and headed to suzi wong. I liked suzi wong. They had three girls on stage washing and gathering each other. It was fun. I noticed there were lot of tourist girls drinking at the bar. I don't know if it is a regular or it was just yesterday. More like backpackers. Hardly any cash on them. And they wanted me to buy them drinks. I knew I will get absolutely nothing in reruturn. One of them took my line ID. She was from Austria. Let's see if that materializes to something interesting.
It was now past midnight and I headed for a bite to eat. Had some dinner and hit the bed.
Here is my summary. The bars are really run down. It looks good in the photos or websites. Photo shopped. The crazy horse was amazing. I may BF one of them these days.
I noticed some Indians were not allowed inside. But even though I look like an Indian I was not subjected to being reduced entry into any of the bars.
Enjoy.
G.
MusicalToM
06-27-17, 16:59
Dear all,
I'm landing in BKK Friday in the evening around 8:30 in the evening. This time my objective is to try a GoGo lady who is ready to giver her butt up to me.
As per my experience what options do I have?
1: Olilies. Don't want to try since ladies aren't that hot. This would be my last luck.
2: Freelance / Online Boards. Don't have much time since heading Chiang Mai in the next afternoon and I honestly don't trust them!
3: Escorts. Expensive (2,000 per shot). Keeping them second last luck.
4: GoGos. Last time I tried asking mamasan about a 3-holes, which she couldn't understand. I remember I used words like Anal, A+, Ass but she still couldn't get it.
As per an earlier report there is a confirmed lady available at CH who is into giving her butt up, but again it's Friday night, I'm reaching late to club (may be around 10:30 after checking-in and getting freshened up) so not sure whether she would have been taken up by another gentleman.
Here I seek some info / lead from you all to find a match for my requirement but mostly into GoGos. Drop me a message if you know any direct contact, would appreciate a lot!
Tom.
Night 2 started off with a few beers at the hotel Radisson Blu executive lounge. And then I headed off straight to baccara as I liked some of the girls the previous night. The bar is spread accros 3 floors all have glass floors. The girls wear school uniform to something like a cheer leader top and skirt. No knickers or bra. The best seat IMHO is the sofas on the second row. You get to see what's in front of you and what's above you.
I met this girl who was dancing proactively on the 1st floor and was flashing her pussy at my. Het name is ice and she was hot. Bought her two lds and we chatted. But I was not ready to BF her. Night was too young for me to retreat. She had a slight bad breath which was a turn off and I was concerned about the probable smell from the other hole. I let her go and told her I am off to another club and will come back later. She was quite confident and told me she will be gone when I return as she is very popular. Her number is 13.
I headed off to spazzo. Loved the place. Nice band and loads of pretty girls. Some are classy and some thrash. I did notice a few ld. So watch out if this is not your thing.
I met this lovely Singapore Malay girl. She was so submissive. That I almost thought I will have to do all the work in bed. She wanted 3 k for a few hours. Later I met with another kazak girl mila. Awesome to talk to. Speaks good english and had a good sense if humor. Her rates are usd 400 for a night. I was like wtf. Enjoyed a few more rounds and saw a viet chick with massive bolt-ONS. She wanted 8 k for the night. Anyway I passed on all of these and returned back to baccara. And Ice was gone. Her number is 13 by the way.
I met another girl 91 lucky. Nice chick. Good english. Nice job on her boobs too and agreed to be for 5 k long time. Got her some food from family mart on the way back.
She gave me a good was in the shower and a decent covered BJ.
Another night of fun in LOS continues.
G.
I left Pattaya behind (see my report at Pattaya Thread) and headed for Bangkok. I was previously searching for a girl to act as a tour guide and fun in the sack. Eventually I dropped the idea of tour guide, but I did find a web site mythaitourguide.com which I liked because it detailed everything and had great info. I've signed up for VIP for $100, which I was given a discount toward my first appointment.
Checked into a nice luxury hotel at 1:00 PM and hung out. My appointment was at 4:00 PM. Kea arrived and I was very glad to see her. She looked just like the picture. Pretty face and very very petite. She wore a classy dress and looked a little bit shy, but eventually warmed up. Came into my suite and I've asked "shower or bath? To which she choose bath. I was glad because I've selected a suite with round bath that can fit 2-4 people for this purpose. We enjoyed our bubble bath. She was rail-thin and training-bra sized breast. We kissed, explored each other's body, and I got up, sat in the bath and she gave me a nice BBBJ.
Came out of bath, we dried each other and moved onto the bed. More kisses and I ate her out with her moaning with pleasure. Changed to 69 where she gave me nice DT. I was ready for more serious action, so I suited up, and she came down on me cow-girl. Needless to say, she was very fucking tight, but I eventually built a good rhythm. I had to fuck her from behind to see the slim ass and waist, so switched to K9 where I began to pound away at her. BAM BAM BAM BAM! I lifted one of the leg, laid her sideways and transition to my favorite position while furiously banging away at her. Eventually we came to a huge climax and she cooled me down with a massage. She wasn't up for seconds, but we had a nice convo and hung out. She was hungry, so I took her to the hotel restaurant where she ordered a salad (of course!) and I had an early dinner.
After sending her away, I basked in the glory of giving a nice fucking to a hot girl and took a nap. I woke up around 10:00 PM feeling tired and having a bad case of acid overflux, but I wasn't ready to call it a day. I had to try one of the renown massage parlors in Bangkok (sorry had to lump the report together here). So I took a cap to Tulip massage. When I got there, it was 11:00 PM and the place was closing in an hour. I had to hurry up and the girls lined up. The selection was pretty sad. All of them are well-seasoned (aged) and look ranged between 5-7's. I picked the best looking girl named "Gop" and we headed upstairs. The place was quite seedy, but Gop washed me in a shower and we got down to action. A little tongue bath and she was sucking on my nipples. I liked how many Thai girls liked to suck on my nipple. Then she gave me a nice BBBJ and increased the tempo to furious DT. I managed to hold on, and soon we wrapped up for action. I didn't come here for just a normal sex, and Gop was ready for anything! Fucked her doggy, pulled my dick out, then slid it into her asshole. Ahhhh that feels tight and much better! I pounded away at her ass switching from A-to-V-to-A-to-V etc. Before I realize it, I was pounding away at her with all my strength, but managed to not cum. I asked for CIM which she gladly obliged. I laid down and she began to DT me furiously, then I came with a strong climax where my whole body pulsated. I asked her if she is up for MFM if I brought another guy and she said yes. May be I will bring a ladyboy here to cross "MFM with DP" off my bucket list.
I wobbled my way out of the place, as it was shutting down, and bought a anti-acid at nearby pharmacy. It was 1:00 AM and still a bit too early to call it a night. So I hopped onto a cap and headed to Nana Plaza where it was much more livery. I was surprised at how many Agogo bars were tightly packed into a 3-floor complex. Many places had pretty hot girls, and it began to rain and downpour, so I was kinda trapped in the building. Many bars here were much more livery than Pattaya, and half the girls were either topless, naked, or at least wore see-thru bikinis, which I guess mean they would most likely deliver and not flake out. I came across Straps, and damn. The girls looked fucking hot as hell! Unlike many Agogo girls, they had none or very few tatoos, and had more of K-pop girl looks. I knew the place had a mix of ladyboy and real girl, but everyone was wearing a semi see-thru skimpy bikini, so I could tell if any of them were packing a heat, so to say. But I had enough action today, so I just ordered drink, enjoyed the view and bought mamasan a drink because I felt generous. One of the girl kept winking at me like one of the hot K-pop girl (see an example of one attached gif) that was so fucking irresistibly cute! So I bought her a drink, and she kept asking to go ST upstairs for 3000 THB. Her winks and smiles with lip biting was almost too hot for me, but I was determined to rest for today. Said farewell and came out. Damn. It's really pouring out there! I went around the building and checked out other bars, but concluded that Straps had the hottest girl there. It was 2:00 AM and the place was closing down. The girl were elated to see me back and what can you do? You can only resist that wink for so long. Booked her for ST.
Within the building was a ST hotel which I paid 350 plus 40 for condom. I'd forgotten to bring my own! Anyways I paid up, went up to a seedy room and took shower together. I made sure to not touch the bedsheet because the place was seedy as hell, and laid out on my towel. Nice BBBJ and she mounts me CG. She had a nice set of breast that was semi bolt-on, but not quite. I enjoyed them regardless. It's getting long, but I am not getting anywhere close to ending because THE FUCKING CONDOM WAS TOO TIGHT! It was literally squeezing my dick so hard so I can't feel much pleasure. I switched to mish and I pound away at her but still can't finish it. Eventually I run out of breath and energy and lay down. She suggest we switch to a bigger condom, which would be additional 40 THB. I go at her again mish and this time feels much better! I pound away at her until I finally cum.
Later I had to wonder if she was a post-op ladyboy since the place is known for LB. It would be my first tranny experience, but who knows and I certainly don't care as long as they are fucking hot, and don't have a dong between their legs.
And that's it for today boys and girls and ladyboys! Tomorrow I will try to find girl and LB for MFM DP.
Note: You're not allowed to link pictures, but posting is limited to 360 K? Seriously?
Uncle Volodya
06-28-17, 10:15
I left Pattaya behind (see my report at Pattaya Thread) and headed for Bangkok. I was previously searching for a girl to act as a tour guide and fun in the sack. Eventually I dropped the idea of tour guide, but I did find a web site mythaitourguide.com which I liked because it detailed everything and had great info. I've signed up for VIP for $100, which I was given a discount toward my first appointment.
It looks like you have hit your groove in BKK. Maybe you are more of a BKK guy? Personally I like both but prefer Pattya because the disco FLs are hotter there (IMHO).
Good luck with your quest. I have my fingers crossed and look forward to your next installment.
Stay horny my friend.
You-V.
It looks like you have hit your groove in BKK. Maybe you are more of a BKK guy? Personally I like both but prefer Pattya because the disco FLs are hotter there (IMHO).
Good luck with your quest. I have my fingers crossed and look forward to your next installment.
Stay horny my friend.
You-V.There are few things I regret from my Pattaya trip. I ended up chasing and wasting time on a hot young agogo girls who ended up not delivering. I wish I did have a time to visit DD, or invest on a FL from clubs.
Bkk looks much more straight forward and seems to deliver as promised. Today I passed by few massage places.. one Japanese and B&B massage on Soi 26. The girls looked incredibly hot.. easily 9s and may be 10s. Had I not been looking for PSE, I'd definitely gone for them. Infact, if agogo bars don't work for me, I'll go back to this place.
There are few things I regret from my Pattaya trip. I ended up chasing and wasting time on a hot young agogo girls who ended up not delivering. I wish I did have a time to visit DD, or invest on a FL from clubs.Bangkok has a club similar to DD called Eden Club located on Suk soi 7/1. Two ladies 90 minutes 4200 baht. They have strap-on toys so you could accomplish your 'dual wood' threesome that way. I believe there was a recent ISG report which included details of some double penetration. No commitment to stop by and check out the lineup. Good luck and keep us updated on how you make out in Bangkok.
SL.
Uncle Volodya
06-28-17, 14:43
There are few things I regret from my Pattaya trip. I ended up chasing and wasting time on a hot young agogo girls who ended up not delivering. I wish I did have a time to visit DD, or invest on a FL from clubs.
Bkk looks much more straight forward and seems to deliver as promised. Today I passed by few massage places.. one Japanese and B&B massage on Soi 26. The girls looked incredibly hot.. easily 9s and may be 10s. Had I not been looking for PSE, I'd definitely gone for them. Infact, if agogo bars don't work for me, I'll go back to this place.You did great for your first trip and hopefully you will be back to experience all the delights you may have missed out on. .
Thanks for the info on Soi 26. Always worth a look. I regret not checking it out last trip. But I had an extended GFE that turned into kind of a nightmare. 555.
Bangkok has a club similar to DD called Eden Club located on Suk soi 7/1. Two ladies 90 minutes 4200 baht. They have strap-on toys so you could accomplish your 'dual wood' threesome that way. I believe there was a recent ISG report which included details of some double penetration. No commitment to stop by and check out the lineup. Good luck and keep us updated on how you make out in Bangkok.
SL.Yeah I looked at Eden Club. Couldn't find pictures of girl I'd like on their web site. I am looking for 8 and above.
Member #4591
06-28-17, 15:29
I left Pattaya behind (see my report at Pattaya Thread) and headed for Bangkok. I was previously searching for a girl to act as a tour guide and fun in the sack. Eventually I dropped the idea of tour guide, but I did find a web site mythaitourguide.com which I liked because it detailed everything and had great info. I've signed up for VIP for $100, which I was given a discount toward my first appointment.
Checked into a nice luxury hotel at 1:00 PM and hung out. My appointment was at 4:00 PM. Kea arrived and I was very glad to see her. She looked just like the picture. Pretty face and very very petite. She wore a classy dress and looked a little bit shy, but eventually warmed up. Came into my suite and I've asked "shower or bath? To which she choose bath. I was glad because I've selected a suite with round bath that can fit 2-4 people for this purpose. We enjoyed our bubble bath. She was rail-thin and training-bra sized breast. We kissed, explored each other's body, and I got up, sat in the bath and she gave me a nice BBBJ.
Came out of bath, we dried each other and moved onto the bed. More kisses and I ate her out with her moaning with pleasure. Changed to 69 where she gave me nice DT. I was ready for more serious action, so I suited up, and she came down on me cow-girl. Needless to say, she was very fucking tight, but I eventually built a good rhythm. I had to fuck her from behind to see the slim ass and waist, so switched to K9 where I began to pound away at her. BAM BAM BAM BAM! I lifted one of the leg, laid her sideways and transition to my favorite position while furiously banging away at her. Eventually we came to a huge climax and she cooled me down with a massage. She wasn't up for seconds, but we had a nice convo and hung out. She was hungry, so I took her to the hotel restaurant where she ordered a salad (of course!) and I had an early dinner.
After sending her away, I basked in the glory of giving a nice fucking to a hot girl and took a nap. I woke up around 10:00 PM feeling tired and having a bad case of acid overflux, but I wasn't ready to call it a day. I had to try one of the renown massage parlors in Bangkok (sorry had to lump the report together here). So I took a cap to Tulip massage. When I got there, it was 11:00 PM and the place was closing in an hour. I had to hurry up and the girls lined up. The selection was pretty sad. All of them are well-seasoned (aged) and look ranged between 5-7's. I picked the best looking girl named "Gop" and we headed upstairs. The place was quite seedy, but Gop washed me in a shower and we got down to action. A little tongue bath and she was sucking on my nipples. I liked how many Thai girls liked to suck on my nipple. Then she gave me a nice BBBJ and increased the tempo to furious DT. I managed to hold on, and soon we wrapped up for action. I didn't come here for just a normal sex, and Gop was ready for anything! Fucked her doggy, pulled my dick out, then slid it into her asshole. Ahhhh that feels tight and much better! I pounded away at her ass switching from A-to-V-to-A-to-V etc. Before I realize it, I was pounding away at her with all my strength, but managed to not cum. I asked for CIM which she gladly obliged. I laid down and she began to DT me furiously, then I came with a strong climax where my whole body pulsated. I asked her if she is up for MFM if I brought another guy and she said yes. May be I will bring a ladyboy here to cross "MFM with DP" off my bucket list.
I wobbled my way out of the place, as it was shutting down, and bought a anti-acid at nearby pharmacy. It was 1:00 AM and still a bit too early to call it a night. So I hopped onto a cap and headed to Nana Plaza where it was much more livery. I was surprised at how many Agogo bars were tightly packed into a 3-floor complex. Many places had pretty hot girls, and it began to rain and downpour, so I was kinda trapped in the building. Many bars here were much more livery than Pattaya, and half the girls were either topless, naked, or at least wore see-thru bikinis, which I guess mean they would most likely deliver and not flake out. I came across Straps, and damn. The girls looked fucking hot as hell! Unlike many Agogo girls, they had none or very few tatoos, and had more of K-pop girl looks. I knew the place had a mix of ladyboy and real girl, but everyone was wearing a semi see-thru skimpy bikini, so I could tell if any of them were packing a heat, so to say. But I had enough action today, so I just ordered drink, enjoyed the view and bought mamasan a drink because I felt generous. One of the girl kept winking at me like one of the hot K-pop girl (see an example of one attached gif) that was so fucking irresistibly cute! So I bought her a drink, and she kept asking to go ST upstairs for 3000 THB. Her winks and smiles with lip biting was almost too hot for me, but I was determined to rest for today. Said farewell and came out. Damn. It's really pouring out there! I went around the building and checked out other bars, but concluded that Straps had the hottest girl there. It was 2:00 AM and the place was closing down. The girl were elated to see me back and what can you do? You can only resist that wink for so long. Booked her for ST.
Within the building was a ST hotel which I paid 350 plus 40 for condom. I'd forgotten to bring my own! Anyways I paid up, went up to a seedy room and took shower together. I made sure to not touch the bedsheet because the place was seedy as hell, and laid out on my towel. Nice BBBJ and she mounts me CG. She had a nice set of breast that was semi bolt-on, but not quite. I enjoyed them regardless. It's getting long, but I am not getting anywhere close to ending because THE FUCKING CONDOM WAS TOO TIGHT! It was literally squeezing my dick so hard so I can't feel much pleasure. I switched to mish and I pound away at her but still can't finish it. Eventually I run out of breath and energy and lay down. She suggest we switch to a bigger condom, which would be additional 40 THB. I go at her again mish and this time feels much better! I pound away at her until I finally cum.
Later I had to wonder if she was a post-op ladyboy since the place is known for LB. It would be my first tranny experience, but who knows and I certainly don't care as long as they are fucking hot, and don't have a dong between their legs.
And that's it for today boys and girls and ladyboys! Tomorrow I will try to find girl and LB for MFM DP.
Note: You're not allowed to link pictures, but posting is limited to 360 K? Seriously?Great way to spend an eveinging. You will find that this is very difficult to do in Pattaya and I actually don't know why. In Pattaya, I often find myself with one lady for the whole night, where in Bangkok, I can do two or three within a 4-5 hour period. Just a heads up, Straps is strictly post op ladyboys. Anyways, great report. You should really check out Mixx club and Spasso and Levels if you want to find some real stunners on the FL side. Thermae and Soi Cowboy caster to a lot of Japanese but go to CH for sure.
Straps is strictly post op ladyboys.Well damn! I knew there are LB agogos, LB + girls agogos, and LB + post-ops agogo. But I never imagined that there would be postops-only agogo!! That explains alot. They all had at least c-cups and artificial looks. But the weird vibes were there. I even asked the mamasan and she said real girls! And I thought I and she was getting along so well. T_T
Strange how nobody there was up for anal. Being LB before post-ops, you'd think they've done plenty of it!
I'm on my way out of Thailand and returned my PocketWifi. I'll write up and post my day 2 report when I get home. But in short,I couldn't find anyone up for MFM, much less anal. And I had pretty bad result from agogo bars hopping :(
Strange how nobody there was up for anal. Being LB before post-ops, you'd think they've done plenty of it! ( Well that's exactly the reason I think. It reminds them too much of the time they still had that awful dick, LOL.
I had an urge to just bar hop and have some fun the the bars.
I had an early dinner at indulge Thai fusion not far from soi cowboy on sukhumvit road. Lovely food and beer on tap.
Finished and headed to after skool as my first bar. There were some good ones. I bought myself and beer and all of sudden 2 oldish aunties sat next to me and started stroking me as a kid in a candy store. I tipped them both 100 each as I didn't want my Dick massaged by a lady double my age. Ok. That's exaggerating. Ok 20 years older than me. !
There were 2 girls at the other end of the bar and I beckoned them over. 2 drinks for them was prescribed. And the girls got to business. Seeing my meanness they asked me if I need a BBBJ there. I declined as I was more for the fun. And maybe I may return later.
1. Afterskool.
BBBJ 1 k.
Girls surely have a few miles on the oddomerer. But unsure how the service will be. They all had some considerable baby fat and belly. Good boobs tho. They wore stockings for some reason.
Next one was toy bar. I liked the set up. They had girls as well as coyotes. The mammasan is very friendly. The girls are all well past the use by date. I will not take them back even if I had 3 beer goggles at the same time. I had two coyotes by my side and had them order themselves some drinks. 200 thb for 1 drink was a bit steep for a bar like that. This girl really warmed up to me. Her number is 51. Lovely girl next door type. Been there only 2 weeks. Speaks minimal or no English. She was again massaging me with her hands well inside the shorts. I had my hand in her bikini a few times to check and she had a lovely untrimmed Bush. All natural. I would have barfined her. The girls are 600 thb but the coyotes are 3 k BF and 5 k for her for LT. No way I am spending 8 k for a bar girl.
I took her number and decided to skip.
2. Toybar.
Ld: 200.
BF: normal girl minimal age 35 + is 600 thb.
Coyote is 3 k thb.
I headed off to another bar. Next to sharks. Sorry can't remeber. They had uninterested girls dancing on stage. I ordered a draught beer and it ended up flat as a pancake. I called the waitress and asked her to change it and she wanted me to pay for 2 beers. Now this is not service. I called for the manager and told him. I know a bit about beers and I know when a beer is flat and you need to go and replace your barrel. He said he will change it for free but I told him I didn't like the attitude of his staff and even if he was to give a free beer I will not return back. I am no push over.
I headed to Rio as they had loads of girls outside. Nice bar. But it's a coyote bar. 200 ld and you cannot barfined the girl.
Next stop lilac. Lovely set up. Great aircon. Loads of girls and coyote. Coyotes wear shorts and girls wear skirts with no panties. Ld is 200 again. Had 1 girl just to give me some company. Why I don't like the set up is that you really can't see the girls from your chair as they are dancing poles all over the place. But a nice ventilated bar.
I went to baccara and the girl I bar fined the previous day was there and was all over me like a rash. She was desperate for me to BF her again. Nice girl but I don't repeat on these places.
I met another girl who I liked also. 262. Awesome figure and booty. I bought her a drink. And she sat with me a while and once done had to go and dance. So sent her off. She said she will come back later. But right after the dance someone just barfined her and off she went. I missed her. Well I noticed at this bar. You have to be super quick.
I headed off to doll house. Surely this place has had its glory days and is an a dire need for a facelift. Girls are really not into it and the music is stale. All the girls were doing was moving their legs 5 cm either side and shaking their hips.
Headed off to cowboy 2 as by now I had too many beers and was struggling to walk in a straight line.
Again mainly a coyote bar. I was taken to the corner sofa and two girls were literally gyrating on me. Awesome fun. But I was now scared I will make a rash decision and throw some money on some crap girl and I will just crash out when I reach the room. I controlled myself and returned to my room. As I had a uni student visiting me the next morning. More on that later.
So here is my summary.
My favourite bar is crazy house and baccara.
I loved the coyote at toybar. Number 51. But if not for 3 k BF I would have taken her.
Enjoy.
G.
I usually don't trust the online dating sites. It's mostly hit and miss.
I signed up for the membership about 2 weeks prior to my arrival and made good success in chatting with loads of 7's and 8's. All either working in hotels, studying. Shop assistant etc.
All the ones I was talking to agreed to meet when I reach. But when I got here and made contact no one bothered to reply to me. Except 1 student girl. A nice bust 22 year old tourism student. She is on her summer holidays.
I arranged to meet with her during the day today as she can't meet overnight due to family issues. Fine with me. She was spot on punctual and arrived at 1100 . I wanted to do a bit of shopping and wanted a Thai wingman who could take me to the real bargain places rather than the touristy malls.
She changed into a t-shirt of mine and we ended up a quick round 1. She was so wet. That's what I like about real part timers. They are really wet and it doesn't take much effort to get them that wet and ready. We had another quick shower and off to one of the local shops where I bought some leathers bags. And a really good price.
Had lunch and returned back to the room. On the way back she asked me if we can have a foot massage together. I was only keen on a pedicure. So she had a foot massage while I had my legs cleaned and cared for.
Back to room for round 2. This time more rough. She wanted me to use 2 fingers in her. Two soon became 3 as she relaxed and came violently in my palm. And squirted on the sheets. Another really sloppy BBBJ. And she mounted me once I got suited in the rubber. We went at it like long operated lovers. And switched to doggy. Then me standing on the side of the bed and she spreadeagled on the bed. Then I got on the bed for the final assault. In missionary.
I came strongly and we cuddled up together. My sweat mixed with hers. As she slowly helped me release me from her vaginal embrace. Cleaned up and we showered together one last time.
This is why. I keep coming back to pinalove and Thai friendly. As I know it's real hard work and it is more luck than anything for you to find that diamond. More miss that hit. But that 1 hit I get pays off for all the lousy lays I have had.
We walked off together and dropped her off in a taxi.
Total damage 5000 plus 500 taxi fare.
From 11 until 7 pm. No complaints.
She speaks fluent English.
Enjoy.
G.
Member #4591
06-30-17, 17:36
I usually don't trust the online dating sites. It's mostly hit and miss.
I signed up for the membership about 2 weeks prior to my arrival and made good success in chatting with loads of 7's and 8's. All either working in hotels, studying. Shop assistant etc.
All the ones I was talking to agreed to meet when I reach. But when I got here and made contact no one bothered to reply to me. Except 1 student girl. A nice bust 22 year old tourism student. She is on her summer holidays.
I arranged to meet with her during the day today as she can't meet overnight due to family issues. Fine with me. She was spot on punctual and arrived at 1100 . I wanted to do a bit of shopping and wanted a Thai wingman who could take me to the real bargain places rather than the touristy malls.
She changed into a t-shirt of mine and we ended up a quick round 1. She was so wet. That's what I like about real part timers. They are really wet and it doesn't take much effort to get them that wet and ready. We had another quick shower and off to one of the local shops where I bought some leathers bags. And a really good price.
Had lunch and returned back to the room. On the way back she asked me if we can have a foot massage together. I was only keen on a pedicure. So she had a foot massage while I had my legs cleaned and cared for.
Back to room for round 2. This time more rough. She wanted me to use 2 fingers in her. Two soon became 3 as she relaxed and came violently in my palm. And squirted on the sheets. Another really sloppy BBBJ. And she mounted me once I got suited in the rubber. We went at it like long operated lovers. And switched to doggy. Then me standing on the side of the bed and she spreadeagled on the bed. Then I got on the bed for the final assault. In missionary.
I came strongly and we cuddled up together. My sweat mixed with hers. As she slowly helped me release me from her vaginal embrace. Cleaned up and we showered together one last time.
This is why. I keep coming back to pinalove and Thai friendly. As I know it's real hard work and it is more luck than anything for you to find that diamond. More miss that hit. But that 1 hit I get pays off for all the lousy lays I have had.
We walked off together and dropped her off in a taxi.
Total damage 5000 plus 500 taxi fare.
From 11 until 7 pm. No complaints.
She speaks fluent English.
Enjoy.
G.Amd Thai Friendly does not work? LOL. That's a great story mate. Good one on you. Another excellent example of how things can go if you are smart and a gentlemen.
Amd Thai Friendly does not work? LOL. That's a great story mate. Good one on you. Another excellent example of how things can go if you are smart and a gentlemen.
I usually don't trust the online dating sites. It's mostly hit and miss.
I signed up for the membership about 2 weeks prior to my arrival and made good success in chatting with loads of 7's and 8's. All either working in hotels, studying. Shop assistant etc.
All the ones I was talking to agreed to meet when I reach. But when I got here and made contact no one bothered to reply to me. Except 1 student girl. A nice bust 22 year old tourism student. She is on her summer holidays. G.Yes apparently it works. Sometimes. He has been chatting with (in his own words) loads of 7's and 8's but when he got there no one bothered to reply to him anymore except for this 1 girl. And I thought WeChat was time consuming, LOL.
But I agree with you Bkkdog that it's a good example of how things can go if you are smart and a gentlemen and that every once in a while you can hit the jackpot with these dating sites and chat apps.
Recently I stumbled upon a girl on WeChat who looked too good to be true for P4 P but didn't seem to be a 'good' girl either. She was drop dead gorgeous, a solid 9, and on the one hand her profile and pictures looked quite decent and conservative but on the other hand 'inviting'. So I sent her a greeting and she replied within 10 minutes or so. She said she was working in a massage parlor on Sukhumvit and invited me to come over. I thought 'yeah right' and asked her if she could send me some pictures that proofed she was really working there (none of the pics on her profile showed her as a massage girl) and she promptly did. I asked her a few other questions to make sure she was real and made her promise that she would give me the massage and no one else.
I was still not 100% convinced but went to her parlor anyway and to my astonishment she was really there. A solid 9 who could easily make a fortune in a top agogo was working in a small massage parlor with a couple of fat old 5's and 6's as colleagues.
In the massage booth there was a note on the door that said 'no prostitution' and the first half of the session gave me the impression this was indeed a 'massage only' shop. But in the second half, when I had turned on my back and was chatting her up a little bit, it soon turned out that 'a happy end' was possible. And eventually she admitted she was a 'bad' girl who went with customers to their hotel sometimes if she liked them. Now it was getting interesting and after some negotiation we agreed on 500 Baht 'barfine' for the parlor plus 2000 Baht for her for BBBJ, CFS and CIM. The negotiations were not as tough as I thought they would be. At first she wanted 3000 but pretty soon she accepted my counter offer and to my surprise even agreed to CIM right away.
So we went to my hotel and all in all it was a good session. It was certainly not a GFE but this gorgeous 23 yo little spinner with a stunning rock hard body (no kids) and a smile to die for was willing and friendly and did everything we agreed upon. Her BJ skills were only slightly above average but she went on for about 15-20 minutes or so, so that was nice. She responded very well to DATY and CFS was great in a tight, wet and completely bald pussy. She produced some fake moans and orgasms I think but that didn't really bother me.
I could have shot my load easily within a few minutes already but I managed to postpone it for quite some time until I couldn't hold it anymore. I pulled back, ripped the condom off and exploded in her mouth.
A few days later we had a second session that was equally satisfying and in time I hope this girl will open up a little bit more and give me a GFE. Sometimes WeChat really pays of.
Yep. We chat works too. If you are a nice guy and treat the girl like a woman and not a pleasure object. You will have a great time. Don't rush to the end game. Today I was having lunch at my favourite place "Indulge on sukhumvit " it at the bottom of sukhumvit suites. They have this waft of fresh aircon air blowing on the street that is very inviting. They have buy 1 get 1 free on beer for lunch so I though I might as well indulge as they say.
Ordered a super yummy spicy Thai soup and a few beers.
I had the we chat fired up and before I could blink I had about 3 girls sending me a greeting. I spotted 1 fitness trainer / kick boxing instructor type chick. Super hot.
Her pics were all full of gym workout poses and she had an amazing booty. Not an ounce of fat. I was worried if she may not be a 100 percent woman. I was flirting with her. And she finally agreed to join me at indulge for a few beers.
I asked her if she wouldike to do a few stretches in my room and her price was 1500 for 90 minutes.
Agreed.
Back in the room. I always have some chocolates and ladies perfume in my room. It has worked wonders. I gave her the perfume and she was all over me.
She never expected this. She straight away asked me. Shower alone or together. I agreed for the latter. In the shower. And what ensued after that was sheer heaven.
Sloppy blow job. A super wet and juicy pussy. Ooh. We did it like rabbits. She was super flexible and at one time I had her one leg wrapped around me while the other around me neck. Ooh my god.
Have a look at the pic to see for your self what a hot chick she was.
Ooh am I lucky or what.
Enjoy guys.
G.
Yes apparently it works. Sometimes. He has been chatting with (in his own words) loads of 7's and 8's but when he got there no one bothered to reply to him anymore except for this 1 girl. And I thought WeChat was time consuming, LOL.
But I agree with you Bkkdog that it's a good example of how things can go if you are smart and a gentlemen and that every once in a while you can hit the jackpot with these dating sites and chat apps.
Recently I stumbled upon a girl on WeChat who looked too good to be true for P4 P but didn't seem to be a 'good' girl either. She was drop dead gorgeous, a solid 9, and on the one hand her profile and pictures looked quite decent and conservative but on the other hand 'inviting'. So I sent her a greeting and she replied within 10 minutes or so. She said she was working in a massage parlor on Sukhumvit and invited me to come over. I thought 'yeah right' and asked her if she could send me some pictures that proofed she was really working there (none of the pics on her profile showed her as a massage girl) and she promptly did. I asked her a few other questions to make sure she was real and made her promise that she would give me the massage and no one else.
I was still not 100% convinced but went to her parlor anyway and to my astonishment she was really there. A solid 9 who could easily make a fortune in a top agogo was working in a small massage parlor with a couple of fat old 5's and 6's as colleagues.
In the massage booth there was a note on the door that said 'no prostitution' and the first half of the session gave me the impression this was indeed a 'massage only' shop. But in the second half, when I had turned on my back and was chatting her up a little bit, it soon turned out that 'a happy end' was possible. And eventually she admitted she was a 'bad' girl who went with customers to their hotel sometimes if she liked them. Now it was getting interesting and after some negotiation we agreed on 500 Baht 'barfine' for the parlor plus 2000 Baht for her for BBBJ, CFS and CIM. The negotiations were not as tough as I thought they would be. At first she wanted 3000 but pretty soon she accepted my counter offer and to my surprise even agreed to CIM right away.
So we went to my hotel and all in all it was a good session. It was certainly not a GFE but this gorgeous 23 yo little spinner with a stunning rock hard body (no kids) and a smile to die for was willing and friendly and did everything we agreed upon. Her BJ skills were only slightly above average but she went on for about 15-20 minutes or so, so that was nice. She responded very well to DATY and CFS was great in a tight, wet and completely bald pussy. She produced some fake moans and orgasms I think but that didn't really bother me.
I could have shot my load easily within a few minutes already but I managed to postpone it for quite some time until I couldn't hold it anymore. I pulled back, ripped the condom off and exploded in her mouth.
A few days later we had a second session that was equally satisfying and in time I hope this girl will open up a little bit more and give me a GFE. Sometimes WeChat really pays of.
Member #4591
07-01-17, 13:11
Yep. We chat works too. If you are a nice guy and treat the girl like a woman and not a pleasure object. You will have a great time. Don't rush to the end game. Today I was having lunch at my favourite place "Indulge on sukhumvit " it at the bottom of sukhumvit suites. They have this waft of fresh aircon air blowing on the street that is very inviting. They have buy 1 get 1 free on beer for lunch so I though I might as well indulge as they say.
Ordered a super yummy spicy Thai soup and a few beers.
I had the we chat fired up and before I could blink I had about 3 girls sending me a greeting. I spotted 1 fitness trainer / kick boxing instructor type chick. Super hot.
Her pics were all full of gym workout poses and she had an amazing booty. Not an ounce of fat. I was worried if she may not be a 100 percent woman. I was flirting with her. And she finally agreed to join me at indulge for a few beers.
I asked her if she wouldike to do a few stretches in my room and her price was 1500 for 90 minutes.
Agreed.
Back in the room. I always have some chocolates and ladies perfume in my room. It has worked wonders. I gave her the perfume and she was all over me.
She never expected this. She straight away asked me. Shower alone or together. I agreed for the latter. In the shower. And what ensued after that was sheer heaven.
Sloppy blow job. A super wet and juicy pussy. Ooh. We did it like rabbits. She was super flexible and at one time I had her one leg wrapped around me while the other around me neck. Ooh my god.
Have a look at the pic to see for your self what a hot chick she was.
Ooh am I lucky or what.
Enjoy guys.
G.Shame on you. Those dam chat apps and internet thingamabobbers, smart gadgets. They are just a waste of time LOL.
Now these are the stories I love. Great job you lucky bastard.
First post in this forum.
Will be coming down to Bangkok for 2 days around September end, mostly over the massage parlours and my main motive is hit the independent escort scene this time.
Could any of you guys suggest escorts with unlimited shots.
And, how legit is bangkokgoldenescorts?
I am weary of go go bars. I do not like massage parlors.
I want to meet intimately with normal girls aged 18-21, in Bangkok.
Are there such a site where we can select non (or semi) professional girls, such as students?
How local rich men meet those young beauties?
I often saw local aged men are having dinner and breakfast with super pretty ones. I even witnessed a man was giving some thousand bahts to the girl?
Work up around 11:00 AM. I was saying SO Sofitel Water Club Lounge Suite, which was pretty fancy and I wanted to enjoy the hotel's amenities. So headed out to the 10th floor pool and had some cocktails and lunch while I enjoyed swimming in the pool inbetween.
In the afternoon, I was ready for action, so I decided to check out the famous massage parlors of Bangkok. Hopped on a cab, and headed to Snow White. There was a huge traffic jam, so it took quite a while to get there, and I just got off around Sukhumvit and Soi 24th. The whole area between Soi 24-26 was filled with various massage parlors, with girls hanging out at the front trying to lure customers in. I've went to Snow White, but didn't see any girl to my fancy, and none of the girls did anal. I was rather determined to get the backdoor service, so I've looked around the area.
There were some Japanese massage place in Soi 25 with incredibly hot girls in 8's and may be 9's, but I had to turn away because none of them did it in the ass. Also B & B Massage had girls lined up, which almost all of them are Agogo-class, wearing sexy uniform, in their early 20's, and hot as well. But none of them did anal. Yes I am regretting it big time now. There were other parlors that had 1-2 girls who did anal, but they were older and 6 or below. No way!
Inquiring all the massage parlors near by, I eventually made my way back to Soi 24, in to a small side alley cul-de-sac where a mamasan suggested checking out Mango Massage. The girls were wearing airline attendant uniform at Mango massage, and was pretty decent looking (6-8's). About 10 girls lined up, and when I asked for anal, all but one of them were up for it! The line up wasn't as good as some of the hotter ones I've seen around there, but I did find one that looked to be mid-late 20's and 8 in the look. The rate for 1 hour nuru massage was 1,500 THB plus 500 THB for anal! Holy cow! Went upstairs into the room where the girl and I undressed. I noticed that her be-cup was pushed up, her tits were sagging, and her skin was much darker below neck (makeup made it look better). Downgraded from 8 to 7. Anyways, she showered me in a bathrub and asked me to lie down on a bed. I was expecting an air mattress, but it was a small bed with thin mattress. She said the place did not have enough space for air mattress, and working to build bigger rooms. She promised me the bedsheets and the mattress is newly washed. So I lied down and she applied nuru gels by hand (what? And began to slide on me. Since she didn't have a big boob, it wasn't as effective, but I wasn't about to complain. I did get a nice BBBJ from her, and she wrapped me up, and mounted me CG. After fucking her for a while, I asked for anal, and she turned over for K9. She didn't have to lube up, but I fit into her nice and snugly and began pumping away. She covered her pussy with her hands so I can't do A-to-V, but I did enjoy her nice squeeze. After a while I switched to mish, lifted her legs above my shoulder and kept fucking her ass until I came. She washed me up and I left.
It was around 6:00 PM and I was getting hungry. Since that area had alot of Japanese restaurants, I've decided to try one. Went to Ichiban and had a nice ramen. Nothing to write home about, but they did have genuine Japanese chef. Around 7:00 PM it's a bit early for Agogo, so I decided to get a legit foot massage. Had a relaxing 1 HR foot massage for 300 THB (I love cheap massages!) and decided to head to Soi Cowboy for Agogo bars.
Around 9 ish the place was already bustling with large crowd. Went into Baccara but the place was packed so tight! I suck at gaming the bar already, and I didn't think I would do well with so many competitions, so I headed out to check out other bars. I went through just about every Agogo bars in Soi Cowboy and Crazy House. In general, I found the girls about the same as Pattaya Agogo bars. Some Agogos had young girls in 7-8's, some had much older and uglier ones. I popped my head in for a quick few seconds, and if I liked the general look of the girls, I stayed and bought few drinks, or walked out if I didn't find girls attractive. At Suzy Wong, I didn't find any girls in particular, but the mamasan was very friendly with me and asked me to stay for the show. So I stayed there to watch girls body painting, pulling strings with needles out of their pussy and popping balloons, and etc. Somewhat entertaining. But the girls were still not attractive.
None of the bar seemed to have girls who would do anal, much less MFM. So I just gave up on the idea and looked for a nice LT girl to spend my last night at Thailand. The names of the bars are a bit foggy, but I did found a girl named Ice at Cowboy 2. She was about 8. 5 in looks, great smile, nice hair, slim figures and etc. I picked her out and bought her and her friend a few LDs. After about 30 minutes into it, I find out that she only does ST. So I asked to bar fine her and she says BF is 3000 THB and she charges 8000 THB for ST, making total damage 11000 THB. WHAATT? Perplexed, I left the area and look for girls in other places. All other places had girls charge 3000 THB for BF (1500 for ugly ones), and none of them did LT, but ST for similar rate. Was I getting ripped off or did the price go up drastically?
Finally I went to this Agogo, which I cannot recall the name. The place was pretty dead with a few customers and 3-4 girls dancing. I was about to head out, but then I caught the look of this really hot girl in the middle of dance floor. She looked very hot and kept giving me this smile and wink I've mentioned in my previous post. Her winks were deadly and I was compelled to sit down. I sat down sipping my beer and enjoying her dance. The smile and vibe she's sending me was incredible and I soon had her come over. We seem to hit off very well and spent next hour buying her LD, rubbing her, she kissing me and giving me lap dances and grinds. After we got hot and heavy, I asked to bar fine her. I don't care if it's ST or cost me 11000 THB. But she said she doesn't do ST or LT!! WHAAAT? I practically begged her but stopped right before I lost my dignity. I've been had.
I thought about going back to massage parlors where delivery was assured, but it was around 12:00, so they would have all but closed. Left with no recourse, I headed to Nana Plaza. Looked around the place, but didn't find any girls to my fancy, so I headed up to Straps. Until then, I didn't read Bkkdog's post, so I did suspect some of them were post-ops, but I had NO IDEA they were ALL post-ops!! Damn you Bkkdog! ;(Anyways found two pretty hot girls (one 8 and one 9) that I was able to BF ST for total of 9000 THB. Up the ST motel and this time I brought my own condoms! So I took turns to have both girls give me CBJ, and fucked one while the other sucked my nipple or I sucked theirs and fingered them. After coming in one of them, I resigned to my room. Rather disappointed but I did end it with MFF with two hot girls.. Until I checked ISG and Bkkdog's post!!!
So that concludes my not-so-grand trip to Bangkok and Thailand. If I ever get a chance to come again next time, I would skip Agogos. It's hella expensive, you still have to play the game, and can get scammed into buying LDs for nothing. I would stick with massage parlors, escort agencies, and perhaps smooci.
Banana Boi
07-02-17, 12:17
Thermae is a good option at midnight and it's right beside the Sofitel. No lady drinks and definitely no ladyboys INSIDE the bar. Yes, guys say not to bother if you're not Japanese or Korean but by midnight girls let their guards down especially if they've struck out for the night so far, which apply to many. 2500 per hour plus 1 drink for yourself.
Will be coming down to Bangkok for 2 days around September end, mostly over the massage parlours and my main motive is hit the independent escort scene this time.
Could any of you guys suggest escorts with unlimited shots.This can (should) be discussed (negotiated) up front with any provider you choose. Be frank and tell them what you are looking for. The price might depend on the extended activities. If your 4th shot in two hours involves fierce face fucking or anal until you cum they might not be game. If it is a HJ (received or self-inflicted LOL) it should not be a big deal.
SL.
Thermae is a good option at midnight and it's right beside the Sofitel. No lady drinks and definitely no ladyboys INSIDE the bar. Yes, guys say not to bother if you're not Japanese or Korean but by midnight girls let their guards down especially if they've struck out for the night so far, which apply to many. 2500 per hour plus 1 drink for yourself.I keep seem to receive crucial information ONE step too late LOL.
I keep seem to receive crucial information ONE step too late LOL.
None of the bar seemed to have girls who would do anal, much less MFM. So I just gave up on the idea and looked for a nice LT girl to spend my last night at Thailand. The names of the bars are a bit foggy, but I did found a girl named Ice at Cowboy 2. She was about 8. 5 in looks, great smile, nice hair, slim figures and etc. I picked her out and bought her and her friend a few LDs. After about 30 minutes into it, I find out that she only does ST. So I asked to bar fine her and she says BF is 3000 THB and she charges 8000 THB for ST, making total damage 11000 THB. WHAATT? Perplexed, I left the area and look for girls in other places. All other places had girls charge 3000 THB for BF (1500 for ugly ones), and none of them did LT, but ST for similar rate. Was I getting ripped off or did the price go up drastically?
Finally I went to this Agogo, which I cannot recall the name. The place was pretty dead with a few customers and 3-4 girls dancing. I was about to head out, but then I caught the look of this really hot girl in the middle of dance floor. She looked very hot and kept giving me this smile and wink I've mentioned in my previous post. Her winks were deadly and I was compelled to sit down. I sat down sipping my beer and enjoying her dance. The smile and vibe she's sending me was incredible and I soon had her come over. We seem to hit off very well and spent next hour buying her LD, rubbing her, she kissing me and giving me lap dances and grinds. After we got hot and heavy, I asked to bar fine her. I don't care if it's ST or cost me 11000 THB. But she said she doesn't do ST or LT!! WHAAAT? I practically begged her but stopped right before I lost my dignity. I've been had. Yes indeed it seems you receive crucial information one step too late LOL. It looks like you have run into the famous 'coyotes'. These creatures are to be avoided like the plague. Coyotes are agency girls that are hired by the agogos to entertain the customers and seperate them from their money as quickly as possible (even more than 'normal' bar girls). Usually you can easily identify them by the clothes they are wearing: sexy but much less revealing than the clothes of the 'normal' girls. And they will never (or hardly ever) go nude.
Furthermore, as you have found out the hard way already, they will often quote you ridiculous prices for a BF or they cannot be barfined at all. The latter act like hostesses rather than bar girls.
As far as I know the only agogos in Soi Cowboy WITHOUT coyotes are Crazy House, Baccara, Shark and Suzie Wong. In Nana Plaza they seem to be less plural.
DannyBoy20
07-03-17, 08:03
Guys,
I am planning a mongering trip to Bangkok can you please suggest a girl friendly hotel & which bars & places to visit to hook up with hot girls & what would be the rates for them.
I keep seem to receive crucial information ONE step too late LOL.You were given some good advice by people with loads of experience in Pattaya and Bangkok. You instead chose to stick with some preconceived notions of how things might be. Better to deal with the are.
Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than the hottest possible woman and the hottest possible sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process. Chasing smoke can do that.
A once in a lifetime experience only happens (wait for it, wait for it) once in a lifetime. Setting out each night with this as your goal is putting your odds of success at about 20,000 to 1. Don't chase the Unicorn. Hunt the baggable game in the woods you are in, and wait for the Unicorn to cross your path.
SL.
Gannaton48
07-03-17, 11:02
Having seen many video clips of Thanyia street, the place for japanese, it seems to me that this looks like 100% japanese, you even never see a caucasian guy passing by in these videos! On some forum I evenr ead that a european guy was roughly rejected from here. However there are so many sexy looking girls sitting outside in the street. Also practically no report on this area on this forum. Can some members tell us about the chance -or no!) of being " accepted" on Tanyia street and eventually taking a girl back when one is caucasian?
Franciscass
07-03-17, 11:56
Having seen many video clips of Thanyia street, the place for japanese, it seems to me that this looks like 100% japanese, you even never see a caucasian guy passing by in these videos! On some forum I evenr ead that a european guy was roughly rejected from here. However there are so many sexy looking girls sitting outside in the street. Also practically no report on this area on this forum. Can some members tell us about the chance -or no!) of being " accepted" on Tanyia street and eventually taking a girl back when one is caucasian?Only in your dreams champ. Its a Japanese thing, they just don't like westerners or indeed any other nationality grazing on the same patch. I've been in the odd club in Shinjuku but only in the company of a well connected local and even he would have been unable to get me past the front door in most places.
Blanquiceleste
07-03-17, 12:04
You were given some good advice by people with loads of experience in Pattaya and Bangkok. You instead chose to stick with some preconceived notions of how things might be. Better to deal with the are.
Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than the hottest possible woman and the hottest possible sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process. Chasing smoke can do that.
A once in a lifetime experience only happens (wait for it, wait for it) once in a lifetime. Setting out each night with this as your goal is putting your odds of success at about 20,000 to 1. Don't chase the Unicorn. Hunt the baggable game in the woods you are in, and wait for the Unicorn to cross your path.
SL.BEST ADVICE EVER! I am wondering if just this post should make it to the ROD based in its sheer practicality and wisdom.
CallSign Papa
07-03-17, 13:39
Guys,
I am planning a mongering trip to Bangkok can you please suggest a girl friendly hotel & which bars & places to visit to hook up with hot girls & what would be the rates for them.Is this a serious question or a clever joke? Hard to tell.
Maybe read a report first.
Ralph Kramden
07-03-17, 15:04
Having seen many video clips of Thanyia street, the place for japanese, it seems to me that this looks like 100% japanese, you even never see a caucasian guy passing by in these videos! On some forum I evenr ead that a european guy was roughly rejected from here. However there are so many sexy looking girls sitting outside in the street. Also practically no report on this area on this forum. Can some members tell us about the chance -or no!) of being " accepted" on Tanyia street and eventually taking a girl back when one is caucasian?If you can pass the 333 test be sure to let the girls know and you might get acccepted 1 in 100 times.
Banana Boi
07-03-17, 16:25
My understanding for Thaniya Road is that even rich Koreans and Chinese can't get in.
...Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than the hottest possible woman and the hottest possible sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process...I am not sure how one can identify in advance who will give them the "hottest experience", but I have never been able to do it, and I was humbled by the experience.
However, there is plenty of eye candy everywhere, every night. I am very much into eye candy and I have never been let down. I manage to find one practically every night I venture out. Pattaya and Bangkok are the land of plenty, eye candy everywhere.
...Its a Japanese thing, they just don't like westerners or indeed any other nationality grazing on the same patch. I've been in the odd club in Shinjuku but only in the company of a well connected local and even he would have been unable to get me past the front door in most places.Japanese thing? How about calling it for what it is, Japanese racism, pure and simple.
Yep. We chat works too. If you are a nice guy and treat the girl like a woman and not a pleasure object. You will have a great time. Don't rush to the end game. Today I was having lunch at my favourite place "Indulge on sukhumvit " it at the bottom of sukhumvit suites. They have this waft of fresh aircon air blowing on the street that is very inviting. They have buy 1 get 1 free on beer for lunch so I though I might as well indulge as they say.
Ordered a super yummy spicy Thai soup and a few beers.
I had the we chat fired up and before I could blink I had about 3 girls sending me a greeting. I spotted 1 fitness trainer / kick boxing instructor type chick. Super hot.
Her pics were all full of gym workout poses and she had an amazing booty. Not an ounce of fat. I was worried if she may not be a 100 percent woman. I was flirting with her. And she finally agreed to join me at indulge for a few beers.
I asked her if she wouldike to do a few stretches in my room and her price was 1500 for 90 minutes.
Agreed.
Back in the room. I always have some chocolates and ladies perfume in my room. It has worked wonders. I gave her the perfume and she was all over me.
She never expected this. She straight away asked me. Shower alone or together. I agreed for the latter. In the shower. And what ensued after that was sheer heaven.
Sloppy blow job. A super wet and juicy pussy. Ooh. We did it like rabbits. She was super flexible and at one time I had her one leg wrapped around me while the other around me neck. Ooh my god.
Have a look at the pic to see for your self what a hot chick she was.
Ooh am I lucky or what.
Enjoy guys.
G.I am glad you tried her out and had a good time. I have been in contact with her on Wechat for a while now, but have never had the opportunity to hook up with her. She is into fitness and is always working out. She has a gorgeous trim body. Now I really have to try. She recently changed her photos on wechat, by the way.
I know a 50 year old Thai girl runs a ladies beauty parlour doesn't speak English much and has two kids, one aged 19. Wants to meet an old Farang to look after her long term romance. Good friend of my GF.
Probably not what you had in mind. LOL. You might be more interested in her daughter LolSyzygies:
PM me the name and location of the daughter if you think she's my type. I'll be there on July 10.
Applesauce
07-03-17, 22:25
Since Climax club closed, where have the freelancers moved to?
Saw this interesting Advert in CL with a title "Costume" with some nice pics. Girl was my type, petite with reasonable assets so I decided to give it a shot. I used CL in other countries but never in Thailand, and as usual I was a bit skeptic about bait and switch etc. Typical CL frauds. To my surprise, the girl did not as for room number, full name etc. And asked me to pick her from the lobby. This is always a good sign. And it was, she was the same girl as in photo and I was happy to lead her to my room.
Once in room. She did not ask for money. She never mentioned money until I brought it up after the first session.
We started with a good shower, she washed me thoroughly and insisted we both brush out teeth. Then she started with BBBJ and she is good. After a while we go to the bed, missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggy. And 10 minutes later johnny explodes!! We clean up and she starts giving a very nice massage. Her massage was actually very very good, a rare combination, because the ones who advert Sex are generally mediocre or poor in massage skill. About an hour into the massage she starts blowing again. 2nd session was about 25 minutes, multiple position, equally enjoyable. This girl enjoys what she does, very enthusiastic and eager to please.
Took a few pics of her, but she asked me not to put them online. I can share on PM. Attached pic is the only one she said I cud publish.
Looks: 7/10.
Body: 8/10 (Silicon).
Attitude: 8/10.
English: 6/10.
Damage: 3 k for 2 hours, 2 pops + massage.
WIR: Definitely.Please PM me with contact info.
PosterLion
07-03-17, 23:00
Hi Guys,
Long time no post! .
I've been around and I guess I've been around for so long I forgot how the search works on this site.
Ya I know I know, but what can I say?
Quick question: I see that Hooter's moved into Soi 4 at Nana Plaza. I'm just curious if the girls can be bar-fined in the normal, old fashioned way? What is the deal there?
Thanks in advance!
Poster.
Hi Guys,
Long time no post! .
I've been around and I guess I've been around for so long I forgot how the search works on this site.
Ya I know I know, but what can I say?
Quick question: I see that Hooter's moved into Soi 4 at Nana Plaza. I'm just curious if the girls can be bar-fined in the normal, old fashioned way? What is the deal there?
Thanks in advance!
Poster.No, they are not allowed to see customers as a condition of employment.
Quick question: I see that Hooter's moved into Soi 4 at Nana Plaza. I'm just curious if the girls can be bar-fined in the normal, old fashioned way? What is the deal there?
Those girls cannot be bar fined. They are not on the market and not easy to pick up.
Blanquiceleste
07-04-17, 03:05
Is this a serious question or a clever joke? Hard to tell.
Maybe read a report first.You will conclude it is a a serious question, if you browse through the (very brief) posting history of the BM.
Member #4591
07-04-17, 03:13
Since Climax club closed, where have the freelancers moved to?Maybe read RTFF and you will see. I posted the answer to that 2 weeks ago.
Hi Guys,
Long time no post! .
I've been around and I guess I've been around for so long I forgot how the search works on this site.
Ya I know I know, but what can I say?
Quick question: I see that Hooter's moved into Soi 4 at Nana Plaza. I'm just curious if the girls can be bar-fined in the normal, old fashioned way? What is the deal there?
Thanks in advance!
Poster.I have recently tried this without any success. It was about closing time, I asked the girl serving me if she was available to take. She refused saying she was working there as employee and needed to sleep after closing.
You were given some good advice by people with loads of experience in Pattaya and Bangkok. You instead chose to stick with some preconceived notions of how things might be. Better to deal with the are.
Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than the hottest possible woman and the hottest possible sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process. Chasing smoke can do that.
A once in a lifetime experience only happens (wait for it, wait for it) once in a lifetime. Setting out each night with this as your goal is putting your odds of success at about 20,000 to 1. Don't chase the Unicorn. Hunt the baggable game in the woods you are in, and wait for the Unicorn to cross your path.
SL.What you said speaks have alot of wisdom. I did have unreasonably high expectations and misconceptions, which could only learned by hitting the ground. In my part, I did my best to seek and heed the good advices when I got them. But after crossing over 14,000 miles, it's hard to give up on young hot ones and go for older uglier ones.
In any case, I appreciate many words advices, especially Bkkdog, Sunlover2, and Uncle Volodya. I will post my closing thoughts in hopes of helping someone like me.
So now I'm back home somewhat recovered from jetlag. I'd like to wrap up my experiences in Bangkok & Thailand in my perspective. YMMV.
I cannot say I had a great time or disappointed. It was a mixed bag: one night I had my first MFFFM and did not fail to find anal sex services in massage parlors. Other nights I wasted time & money on flaky girls, coyotes, and post-ops.
What worked:
- Meeting up with a fellow ISGer made the best experience! It's nice to have buddies who can give advice on the spot, take you to the right places, and share the fun. I think going to agogo bars alone made me emit creepy vibes.
- Bangkok massage parlors were awesome! Some of them had great line ups and some had hardcore services on menu. I'd spend more time there if I were to go again.
- Escort agencies: I had the hottest girl from mythaitourguide. Paid $100 for VIP access, then applied that toward first appointment for total 7000 THB well-spent.
What didn't work:
- Agogo bars: Unless you enjoy bar scenes and just want to flirt and may be something will happen, I have decided Agogo bar is not what you want if you are short on time and want to pickup a girl in 30 minutes. After gaming the girl, buying LDS for the girl, mamasan, and staff, you still have to take your chance with flaky girls, girls who don't do sex, and expensive coyote girls. I thought coyote girls had separate bars, but they are mixed in Bangkok.
- Thai Friendly / Badoo: The girls are too flaky and often don't respond for days. I had 4-5 girls lined up who didn't respond at all when I got there. May be if you are a young farang with blue eyes and golden hairs girls would flock to you, but unfortunately, I'm a middle-aged shy (East) Asian American.
- Hardcore services: Many agogo bar girls and mamasans gave me a shocked look when I asked if there are any girls who does anal, even at (later learned) post-ops bars. I was hoping for anal or MFM, but I had much better success at older girls from massage parlors.
- I stayed at SO Sofitel because it was unlimited guest policy, great amenities, and huge circular bathtub. I'd rather stay at cheaper hotel closer to Suhkumvit and save money for fun. In-room jaccuzi and big tubs are not worth it because you rarely get to use it.
If I get a chance to visit LOS again:
- I'd try FL scene. I was under the impression they are dirty and dangerous, but apparently you can find some good gems to make it worthwhile.
- If I want MFM, there were some escort agencies that provided it. The cost was pretty high. I think around 25,000 THB for girl and man / LB, but it's a sure thing and much better ROI.
- I'd give smocci a try.
Critical Lessons:
- Straps are post-ops only bar!
- Most girls would want to do ST, and not LT.
- Agogo bar's primary object is to sell you drinks, not sex.
Thanks all for your advices and audiences!
CallSign Papa
07-04-17, 14:19
So now I'm back home somewhat recovered from jetlag. I'd like to wrap up my experiences in Bangkok & Thailand in my perspective.Great summation Mander.
My only comment would be that when it comes to setting up girls from dating sites, 4-5 is not nearly enough. Now you understand the flakiness you'll realise that for 3-4 day trip you probably want 30 girls (and then you'll probably only meet 5).
Banana Boi
07-04-17, 14:47
Thanks for all your reviews, Mander. I appreciate that you were willing to spend and were not a Cheap Charlie. If you return, hopefuly you'll have more than 4-5 days for Pattaya and Bangkok. To really enjoy Thailand I'd recommend guys to come 2 weeks going to BKK first, then down to Pattaya, and returning to BKK if / when they decide BKK worked better for them than Pattaya. Sadly I have to be honest and say that someone looking for kinks may want to try another country rather than Thailand, especially if you are not seeking experienced providers.
JeremyOfWSG
07-04-17, 16:07
You were given some good advice by people with loads of experience in Pattaya and Bangkok. You instead chose to stick with some preconceived notions of how things might be. Better to deal with the are.
Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than the hottest possible woman and the hottest possible sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process. Chasing smoke can do that.
A once in a lifetime experience only happens (wait for it, wait for it) once in a lifetime. Setting out each night with this as your goal is putting your odds of success at about 20,000 to 1. Don't chase the Unicorn. Hunt the baggable game in the woods you are in, and wait for the Unicorn to cross your path.
SL.This is sage advice as I have been to Thailand about 30 times over 25 + years. Generally, my best experiences have either occurred unexpectedly or by having a good attitude and my worst experiences have come when I have either had too much to drink or by having a poor attitude. The worst punters I have seen are the types who feel very entitled and seem to think that they should get the hottest ladies who act like porn stars simply because they have a few thousand bhat to throw at a girl. Thailand can be whatever you want it to be but you need to learn about the culture, travel around, make lots of friends, etc. And if you can learn some of the language, that will pay off very handsomely. I go the my Land of Milk and Honey about three times a year and I know 5 - 10 ladies at any given time I can date, most are in their late 20's or early to mid 30's. I don't bother with bar girls and occasionally hit a massage parlor when the mood strikes me. Some nights in Thailand I just have a nice meal, a few drinks and get a good night sleep. Other nights I'll have a party in my hotel room until 3:00 am With a couple of hotties. Thailand is the greatest country on earth for pootang and having fun.
And I remember Sun Lover from that other, now defunct, website.
I often saw local aged men are having dinner and breakfast with super pretty ones. I even witnessed a man was giving some thousand bahts to the girl?Welcome to Thailand.
If you are a handsome man your can win them all (check your wallet first).
John Traveller
07-04-17, 22:44
I visited the freelancer bar Thermae (Sukhumvit) at midnite on a weekday. It was just to investigate as I was a bit tired. It's the first time I have checked out this place so it was kind of exiting. As I entered I had a softdrink for 60 (baht. Lots of girls, maybe 75, fewer (presumably) punters, maybe 35. They don't interact much though. Are they all "shy"? Only about ten of the girls may be called pretty.
I went around and chatted up four of the best looking ones. Left side: first said 2 hours 2500, second said 1 hour 3000. Right side: third said 1+half hour 2500. Fourth ignored me. So 3 out of 4 nice ones wanted to go, that's pretty good. But high prices indeed. About the last one (probably Asian only), she differed from the others by not returning my look and smile, so the turn-down was no surprise. Still, I just wanted to try it for the interest. (One punter standing nearby loooked a bit surprised on this, I don't know if he thought I was silly or brave, LOL.)
I might return on another night. I wonder: are the prices negotiable? At what time is this best done?
John Traveller
07-04-17, 22:46
First time I visited this club on soi 11. No CC midweek. 160 baht for a drink. A good place really, half / half men / women. Some of the women, maybe a quarter, seemed easily approachable or approached themselves. What do a good looking lady ask for here? St / LT. Are other clubs better for this? Yes, I know I should have investigated this myself, but I wasn't really up to it this night. And it takes some time before one can bring it up I guess.
Banana Boi
07-04-17, 23:24
I wonder: are the prices negotiable? At what time is this best done?Standard pricing is 2500 per hour so if you have hot girls going with you longer that is pretty good. Price is comparable to an oily. You can likely negotiate time easier than money. For some Thermae girls if they like you they will hang out with you by going to eat, clubbing, etc. well after your session and into the next day until they have to wake up for their day job.
Member #4591
07-05-17, 03:01
First time I visited this club on soi 11. No CC midweek. 160 baht for a drink. A good place really, half / half men / women. Some of the women, maybe a quarter, seemed easily approachable or approached themselves. What do a good looking lady ask for here? St / LT. Are other clubs better for this? Yes, I know I should have investigated this myself, but I wasn't really up to it this night. And it takes some time before one can bring it up I guess.
I visited the freelancer bar Thermae (Sukhumvit) at midnite on a weekday. It was just to investigate as I was a bit tired. It's the first time I have checked out this place so it was kind of exiting. As I entered I had a softdrink for 60 (baht. Lots of girls, maybe 75, fewer (presumably) punters, maybe 35. They don't interact much though. Are they all "shy"? Only about ten of the girls may be called pretty.
I went around and chatted up four of the best looking ones. Left side: first said 2 hours 2500, second said 1 hour 3000. Right side: third said 1+half hour 2500. Fourth ignored me. So 3 out of 4 nice ones wanted to go, that's pretty good. But high prices indeed. About the last one (probably Asian only), she differed from the others by not returning my look and smile, so the turn-down was no surprise. Still, I just wanted to try it for the interest. (One punter standing nearby loooked a bit surprised on this, I don't know if he thought I was silly or brave, LOL.)
I might return on another night. I wonder: are the prices negotiable? At what time is this best done?
These two places are way out of your league. If 2,500 is too much for you then you better head over to the beer garden on Soi 7 or do an oily for 1 hour such as Snow White or Tulip. They I think come in at 1,900 all inclusive for 1 hour. Some decent looking freelancers will take 2,000 but anything lower will be sacrificing on looks in my opinion. Soms heaven BJ bar wil also do a 1,700 Baht session and there are a few lookers there. Maybe Pattaya is more to your budget.
The levels freelancers will ask you from 4-6K at least and 2,500 will be the bottom price at Thermae. Honestly, guys like you are why the Thermae girls are not happy about White western men. That's why they sometimes are rude and look the other way. Happy mongering Charlie.
Crocodilexp
07-05-17, 04:18
The levels freelancers will ask you from 4-6K at least and 2,500 will be the bottom price at Thermae. Honestly, guys like you are why the Thermae girls are not happy about White western men. That's why they sometimes are rude and look the other way. Happy mongering Charlie.
No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.
Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.
Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.
Member #4591
07-05-17, 05:16
No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.
Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.
Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.I bed differ for the following reason. The op is wanting to enter a high end place like Levels for example but his budget it no where near what it needs to be. There is no point comparing prices today to 5-10 years ago. You will just become frustrated with inflation.
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There is no point comparing prices today to 5-10 years ago. You will just become frustrated with inflation.Wholeheartedly agree.
In a free market, any girl can ask whatever she wants, and if someone pays her price then that's the end of it.
If a guy refuses to pay a high price on principle, then he is the one who misses out. She will wait until a buyer comes along.
There is no way this process will change unless nobody pays her price, and then the market will force her to change. Disgruntled punters wishing for 2005 prices in 2017 just have to accept that women are now feeling more empowered to follow the market.
John Traveller
07-05-17, 07:55
Thanks for the info. At the moment I just want an overview over the freelancer market (for example Thermae and clubs like Levels). And it's important for me to check that the prices I have been quoted on the ground are the regular going prices. I don't necessarily have a strict budget, so it's not the case that I'm not willing to pay high prices if that suits me.
I am already experienced in the massage parlour options, so yes, I know the prices there. I'm not experienced in the freelancer options in Bkk, so I'm getting an overview now.
As for Levels, I didn't find most of the girls there that hot anyway (As I noted above, I could be willing to splash out a large amount for a really hot one). But of course the opinions will vary a lot regarding this.
I will investigate further by reading more on the forum as well as doing my own research for details on options, places and times.
No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.
Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.
Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.I'm with you. 2500 is too damn much for a pre-agreed promise to pay for short time. I am doing my part in fighting this ridiculous inflation these days and not taking any girls to my hotel who won't agree to accept 2000 for ST (which I think is still too high, but fair). Seems absurd since I normally spend 6000 baht or more on drinks during the night, but it's the principle of it. I have to admit that I normally do give the girl more than 2000 if she is good to me, but I don't like to be forced into 2500 for every shag.
Uncle Volodya
07-05-17, 08:05
First time I visited this club on soi 11. No CC midweek. 160 baht for a drink. A good place really, half / half men / women. Some of the women, maybe a quarter, seemed easily approachable or approached themselves. What do a good looking lady ask for here? St / LT. Are other clubs better for this? Yes, I know I should have investigated this myself, but I wasn't really up to it this night. And it takes some time before one can bring it up I guess.Levels is a good pick up spot. Girls will want 3-4 K ST and up to 6 K LT. YMMV and you may be quoted more or able to negotiate less. Much cheaper than Mixxx or Spasso.
Pricey, but most are nice middle class girls and only do one customer per night. Also some semi pros too.
Maybe a little on the old side here. Late 20's to early 30's. Not a lot of early 20's girls. Not always easy to find a girl that is hot enough to justify the price (as one of the posters pointed out).
Go to Oskar for a drink beforehand. Many of the girls go there and then hit mix.
PosterLion
07-05-17, 08:10
No, they are not allowed to see customers as a condition of employment.I figured as not, but had to ask for the fun of it. I remember the age of the Golden Bar, so here's a bonus that ain't a micky. Something I wrote a long time ago.
HIROSHIMA, NAGASAKI, AND NANA.
She has slept with twenty men.
In ten days.
And.
Of those twenty.
One in ten.
Will send her money.
Via Western Union.
Now she sits on my bed.
Smoking a cigarette.
Talking to some poor bastard on her hand phone.
While I pour two glasses of Sang Som.
Over ice.
She begins to speak in a loud voice.
"Why are you calling me? I told you I'm at my friends house. Don't you trust me?
I walk over to the bed and offer her one of the.
Drinks.
She gives me the phone and motions for me to listen.
So I listen.
A guy is crying and saying.
"I'm sorry baby. I'm sorry. ".
I hand her the phone and she puts it to her ear.
Smiling.
She lifts her glass and I lift mine.
It's a funny way to have a first drink.
She asks him if he wants to talk with her friend and pauses.
Knowing he'll say.
No.
It's okay.
I marvel at the bluff she's running.
As I contemplate the destructive force of the atomic bomb.
Versus.
How many will die or have died.
Over her.
She hangs up the phone and smiles at me.
"Are you ready?
I nod my head as she gets up to take a shower.
I hear the water running as I think about the bombs that fell.
On Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Soon she will walk out of the bathroom.
Like insanity in a bath towel.
The worm will slip the hole and we'll both take a piece.
From each other.
She will leave with the morning light and I will smell what's left.
Of her.
On my pillow.
Her name was Nana and she's been alive.
On this earth.
For ten thousand years.
No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.
Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.
Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.Could not agree more. I'd be glad to pay the higher prices if the service was improved or the gals were better looking. Neither is the case. In fact, the service is most often worse.
Crazy4Thai
07-05-17, 15:50
No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.
Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.
Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.As I catch up with these posts, I was ready to suggest that JT was merely gathering info. I agree with you Croc, why jump to conclusions and label him? Glad to see JT's response. Sometimes that Dog snaps at people.
Member #4591
07-05-17, 16:57
As I catch up with these posts, I was ready to suggest that JT was merely gathering info. I agree with you Croc, why jump to conclusions and label him? Glad to see JT's response. Sometimes that Dog snaps at people.I'm not snapping at anyone but I'm annoyed with guys like that. He obviously knows these places cost more and putters around in them for no reason. There has been plenty of posts here regarding Thermae. I'm sure he's read the forum so he knows what the rates are there. However he still goes in window shopping and asking them how much well knowing it's at least 2,500. He also knows he's not going to spend that either. Then he asks a stupid question about Levels. Anyone with any sence can look at the place and will know it's goona be more expensive. He dam well knows he's not willing to pay 2,500 and he thinks Levels is goona be cheaper? Hog wash!
In the end, everyone wants to pay less but then there is reality and the reality is that you will be hard pressed to find anything decent as in hot spinners in Bangkok for under 2,500 in a go go bar or freelance bar. For that budget, I already outlined some good choices but he is dead set on the higher end places. So be it but the girls will see his cheapness from a mile away and won't care to talk with him.
Next time, I would suggest he outlines his budget for Bangkok mongering and we can happily tell him where he can get the most bang for his buck!
Crocodilexp
07-06-17, 02:22
If a guy refuses to pay a high price on principle, then he is the one who misses out. She will wait until a buyer comes along.
That's precisely the wrong attitude. The guy is out for fun and has all the options in the world, from all the other girls and venues, to any other non-sexual pleasurable activity. The guy is missing out on nothing at all -- the hooker will still be there 3 h later after he's done with his steak (but he might be full and not so eager anymore). On the other hand, the girl is out to make money, and has limited time to do so. Sure, she can wait, but for her waiting is costly, while for the punter, it's almost free (with the right attitude, if he's not super psyched about getting his dick wet with this specific girl right at that moment).
the market will force her to change.
There are many more factors across the PFP industry than simple supply and demand. There's peer pressure to set a high floor, issues of face and inflated self-worth, the fact that Thais generally tend not to lower (sometimes even raise) prices when business is slow, and so much more.
Even in 2017, there are still prostitutes in Thailand who shag for 350-800 baht, and some of them are not worse looking than those charging 2000-3000, just catering to a different market and environment. It used to be the case that women in the Farang segment (charging 1000-1500) would usually provide vastly superior and more friendly overall experience than those at the cheap Thai end of the market, but that's no longer the case, at least not with any consistency.
PosterLion
07-06-17, 02:26
Nice to see ISG is still kicking. The usual suspects are here, in another body, with the same spirit. I like this, I like that, you are both dumb for liking this or that. I promise, I jest in a good way.
Read the latest info about what-not: Thermae, General Pricing, other stuff.
Qualifier / Note: Do not read me for current economic information. (I have not been active in BKK for about 10 years).
Thermae. Things have changed from your reports, not unexpected. Facts from my stay in BKK: $1000 Baht was the rate ST / LT. There were obvious exceptions, but one K in my day was the norm. That said, paying more did happen in the morning for whatever reason. My advertised norm was how I negotiated (I really hate that word, but it is what it is too).
But you can negotiate without making it look like a negotiation. Look on the bright side anytime. All she can say is no.
Maybe there is a deeper point. Let me think on that. In the meantime, here is a pretty funny story. At least it is to me.
First time alone on Sukhumvit, circa 2002.
It's hot and I've been meeting many people in BKK I'd met on ICQ. Yeah, they were all women, duh.
I'd said goodbye to the last one for the day and waved as the Skye Train departed. A long day (three or four days really).
Walked down the stairs from the Skye Train and decided to explore on my own. Walked a bit, realized I was getting hot, and sat down on some steps.
Within minutes a girl sits down and propositions me. I had no idea at the time, but I was sitting on the Thermae steps. I declined and moved on down the road.
I ended up at Nana Plaza and checked out several Go-Go bars. It was just like I'd read it would be. I could not believe my eyes! Other stuff happened, a story for another time, I left the GO-GO bar just before close.
Back outside I was still wanting excitement, nothing super exciting had happened, even though I'd seen some things for the first time, still restless.
Walking out of Nana Plaza, I (literally) bumped into someone. It was the same girl from Thermae. She was a little miffed and wanted to know why I was here after I didn't go with her. I didn't know what to say, so I went on a walk with her after she suggested it.
She was hungry and I said hey, I can eat too. We went to some food stall on the side of the road and I learned about Thai noodles with meatballs and other amazing things.
After the food, she wanted to walk some more, I was quite OK with the idea, so we walked.
She was a clever girl, asking a couple of personal questions that made you want to answer, followed up with where you stay?
Since I knew we were getting close to where I stayed, I knew I had to make a choice or not. On cue, she asked where I stayed when we were about 50 meters from the place, so I pointed and said, I stay there.
What follows is obvious (Summary):
Came three times.
First time from sex.
Second time from be. J.
Third time from sex.
In between was full of listening to her life story:
1) a kid.
2) a divorce.
3) Mom takes care of kid while she is working.
I called her out on this the next morning and was shocked when she said OK.
She took me to her apartment somewhere between Soi 30-50, and there it was, the kid and her mom taking care of her child.
Now here is the exception to the rule I mentioned.
It was time for me to leave and she saw me out the door. This is the first time we ever talked money.
She looked at me and said, "you come three times all night. ".
I looked in my wallet and there was 5 one thousand Baht notes. I kept one and gave her four. I've always wished I'd given her five.
So there ya go, scrutinize my story until you're done.
I can neither confirm nor deny that most times, I was a normal punter, paying as little as possible.
And I am thinking, you would not believe me anyway. . . .
Franciscass
07-06-17, 03:03
Variables that go into FL pricing.
Financial position of the girl.
How badly does she need money, If she is flush she may stick with say 4000ST and go home if she doesn't connect while on another night the same girl with 200 baht to her name will gladly accept half that rather than go home empty.
The time of the evening.
She may leave home at 8 o'clock with expectations / hopes that she can make x amount for the evening but when the clock strikes 1 half of that becomes acceptable.
Venue.
Take 2 girls with similar looks and equally good in the sack, one lounging in Spasso sipping wine one standing on Soi 4. One costs 5000 the other will do short time for a 1000. No comparison I hear you say. From experience I can tell you quite often back in the room when they get their kit off you will not see that much difference. I agree there is a correlation between price and looks / service but where you meet the girl greatly affects the price.
Experience.
The more experienced girls will choose where and how they work to maximize earnings and will not sell themselves short. Relative newcomers not totally up to speed will initially be willing to spend time with you for less.
Peer Pressure.
Agreed it's not a hard and fast rule but there will be an unspoken yet tacit understanding when working a particular venue say Thermae that girls will not routinely accept offers below a certain level E. G. 2500 believing doing so brings prices down overall.
Profile of customer.
Yes it matters how you behave, how you look, dress, smell, how naive the girl believes you are and whether or not there is that illusive chemistry going on. I also believe it matters a lot whether you are passing through or living here.
You can argue about how much but no doubt FL prices have risen over the years especially at the so called Hi end. That said 2500 will still get you 2 hours and 4000 a LT session with an above average looker and for me at least assuming acceptable service that's good value.
That's precisely the wrong attitude. The guy is out for fun and has all the options in the world, from all the other girls and venues, to any other non-sexual pleasurable activity. The guy is missing out on nothing at all -- the hooker will still be there 3 h later after he's done with his steak (but he might be full and not so eager anymore). On the other hand, the girl is out to make money, and has limited time to do so. Sure, she can wait, but for her waiting is costly, while for the punter, it's almost free (with the right attitude, if he's not super psyched about getting his dick wet with this specific girl right at that moment).
There are many more factors across the PFP industry than simple supply and demand. There's peer pressure to set a high floor, issues of face and inflated self-worth, the fact that Thais generally tend not to lower (sometimes even raise) prices when business is slow, and so much more.
Even in 2017, there are still prostitutes in Thailand who shag for 350-800 baht, and some of them are not worse looking than those charging 2000-3000, just catering to a different market and environment. It used to be the case that women in the Farang segment (charging 1000-1500) would usually provide vastly superior and more friendly overall experience than those at the cheap Thai end of the market, but that's no longer the case, at least not with any consistency.Very well stated Croc. Yes, there are lots of factors. In fact, the more oily places that opened the worse service for the punter has become. Competition for gals between shops for gals meant performance standards were relaxed in order to retain gals and punters here are just not demanding enough to complain or walk. More money tends to get you better looks, not better service. I'll stick by my mantra that Thai gals are just not that into sex and especially not into kink or fetish. Most all gals here want to raise there status. On their lakorns (Thai soap operas) many of the leading roles portray women who are pretty but very much asexual, or use sex only as a means to get what they want. The lusty gal who enjoys sex is still viewed as a "bad girl" or one of lower status. With the insane amounts of money (and yes it is insane money for this country) some BGs make now they imagine themselves of higher status. Well, you get the point.
In a free market, any girl can ask whatever she wants, and if someone pays her price then that's the end of it.I don't usually engage in the price discussion threads as they get lame real quick, but I would like to state my case. What follows WILL p-I-s-s some people off.
I'm not short of a quid, however I am always short of free time. It is for this reason that my time in BKK is always short, so time is precious to me. If I have to pay over the odds to ensure my time in BKK is enjoyable, albeit brief, then so be it. There is absolutely no way I am going to nickle and dime a situation, where the only outcome likely for me is that I miss out on some action, or settle for a less than enjoyable experience.
I'm very sorry for the people who don't have the cash that I do, but this is the way I have to roll. I'm pretty sure the majority on this forum would be the same as I am given the same circumstances.
Blanquiceleste
07-06-17, 11:52
I don't usually engage in the price discussion threads as they get lame real quick, but I would like to state my case. What follows WILL p-I-s-s some people off.
I'm not short of a quid, however I am always short of free time. It is for this reason that my time in BKK is always short, so time is precious to me. If I have to pay over the odds to ensure my time in BKK is enjoyable, albeit brief, then so be it. There is absolutely no way I am going to nickle and dime a situation, where the only outcome likely for me is that I miss out on some action, or settle for a less than enjoyable experience.
I'm very sorry for the people who don't have the cash that I do, but this is the way I have to roll. I'm pretty sure the majority on this forum would be the same as I am given the same circumstances.I think it is asinine for anyone to believe that a few punters on this forum overypaying can affect the market. In reality the number of mongers on this forum frequenting BKK and PYX or other places in LOS must be a fraction of the visitor traffic to these countries. And those people are all probably paying more. Think Japs, Koreans, Arabs, Indians. All have more income and less time / availability in their own countries.
Girls ask what they think they deserve and mongers offer to pay what they can afford. When the two price points meet, the result is a fuck. Simple. Nothing more to it.
Thanks bro for realizing realty about Indians having big pockets rather as to market perception of us Indians being small pocketed or stingy.
Cheers,
Ss.
I think it is asinine for anyone to believe that a few punters on this forum overypaying can affect the market. In reality the number of mongers on this forum frequenting BKK and PYX or other places in LOS must be a fraction of the visitor traffic to these countries. And those people are all probably paying more. Think Japs, Koreans, Arabs, Indians. All have more income and less time / availability in their own countries.
Girls ask what they think they deserve and mongers offer to pay what they can afford. When the two price points meet, the result is a fuck. Simple. Nothing more to it.
I think it is asinine for anyone to believe that a few punters on this forum overypaying can affect the market. In reality the number of mongers on this forum frequenting BKK and PYX or other places in LOS must be a fraction of the visitor traffic to these countries. And those people are all probably paying more. Think Japs, Koreans, Arabs, Indians. All have more income and less time / availability in their own countries.
Girls ask what they think they deserve and mongers offer to pay what they can afford. When the two price points meet, the result is a fuck. Simple. Nothing more to it.This is the same in every country I have ever visited. I have never been to Thailand but have a bud who lives there so I look at this forum a bit.
I live in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico and it is the same thing here. There are girls who request an insane price (over $250 USD / hour) for a fuck while others charge $80. The $250 will get you an absolute stunner but the service is "average" or worse while the $80 will get you an older gal who gives one of the best BBBJCIM I have ever had.
I suppose some rich Gringo visitors are willing to pay for the high end hookers but, in the end, it really does not drive up the overall market. That seems to be the result of overall inflation, nothing more.
There are many more factors across the PFP industry than simple supply and demand. There's peer pressure to set a high floor, issues of face and inflated self-worth, the fact that Thais generally tend not to lower (sometimes even raise) prices when business is slow, and so much more.I've seen the the whole stubbornly maintain or raise prices thing when times are slow in various negotiations (not just girls)'while in Southeast Asia. Because businesses have no problem lowering prices and this manifests itself mainly when dealing with locals one on one, it makes me think it's all wrapped together in all of what you mentioned. Peer pressure, face, inflated self worth etc.
John Traveller
07-06-17, 20:28
After I had done some scouting research the day before I was now prepared to find a beauty at Thermae. The situation was more or less the same. Boys and girls standing separate, very few of them engaging. First I thought this was shyness, but of course, they are just waiting, for a better opportunity that is.
I had a softdrink and tried to look casual cool. One of the girls I had talked to the day before gave me a smile, but then I noticed the one standing next to her, wow! She was both good looking and friendly. I chatted her up and she was eager to go. I said I was interested in LT, but she told me she goes one-two hours only because of a regular day-time job.
We walked the short distance to my hotel. She hold my hand and talked of this and that, something which is always a good sign. And a good session it was indeed, especially because of her looks, in my eyes a 10, although most of you would say 9 I guess. When her clothes came off I almost gasped, in these some situations one is easily disappointed of what is hidden behind the garment, but in this case it was the opposite. Especially her tits were perfect. It's a pure bliss to make love to such a Woman. She was very accommodating, and also active for a beauty. Well, she didn't to everything of course (not many 9 or 10 would), and it was neither typical pse nor gfe, just very nice.
Yes, I will visit Thermae more often the next time I'm in Bkk.
I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate. Or, was that a stupid question?? In that case bite me. Bite me!
J. T.
Robert Long
07-07-17, 01:39
After I had done some scouting research the day before I was now prepared to find a beauty at Thermae. The situation was more or less the same. Boys and girls standing separate, very few of them engaging. First I thought this was shyness, but of course, they are just waiting, for a better opportunity that is.
I had a softdrink and tried to look casual cool. One of the girls I had talked to the day before gave me a smile, but then I noticed the one standing next to her, wow! She was both good looking and friendly. I chatted her up and she was eager to go. I said I was interested in LT, but she told me she goes one-two hours only because of a regular day-time job.
We walked the short distance to my hotel. She hold my hand and talked of this and that, something which is always a good sign. And a good session it was indeed, especially because of her looks, in my eyes a 10, although most of you would say 9 I guess. When her clothes came off I almost gasped, in these some situations one is easily disappointed of what is hidden behind the garment, but in this case it was the opposite. Especially her tits were perfect. It's a pure bliss to make love to such a Woman. She was very accommodating, and also active for a beauty. Well, she didn't to everything of course (not many 9 or 10 would), and it was neither typical pse nor gfe, just very nice.
Yes, I will visit Thermae more often the next time I'm in Bkk.
I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate. Or, was that a stupid question?? In that case bite me. Bite me!
J. T.Hey John a few questions, What did you end up paying for the evening of bliss? Attitude, chemistry and personality have a lot to do with finding the perfect match. I have talked to some ladies that were funny and had great personalities and I would bang in a minute what ever they charged. Then I've met 10's that were not personable at all and I would fuck them for 1000 baht.
George Carlen has a great routine in it he said "I never fucked a 10, but I fucked a lot of 2's". The amazing thing is the 2's are always a better ball and usually have better personally.
Congrates on your great evening with a sweet lady.
RL.
SmilingBuddha
07-07-17, 02:51
Hi all,
I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.
Robert Long
07-07-17, 06:41
Hi all,
I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.Duh! Pattaya, and Bangkok Thailand are South East Asia and many Indians settled and mixed with the Thais. Dude, read the forum.
RL.
Blanquiceleste
07-07-17, 07:05
Thanks bro for realizing realty about Indians having big pockets rather as to market perception of us Indians being small pocketed or stingy.No offense, but why do Indians go to a bar in a group and order just one beer to share among 3 people? And the same for women. Surely there is more to this than just perception alone?
Blanquiceleste
07-07-17, 07:12
Hi all,
I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.4 posts in 4 forums asking the same question. What a prick. Simple answer is NO YOU WON'T FIND INDIAN WOMEN RENTING THEIR PUSSY IN PATTAYA OR Bangkok.
I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate. Or, was that a stupid question?? In that case bite me. Bite me!
J. T.I just wondered why you ask the question. LOL You can assume most of her STs last much less than 2 hours. Assume 1 hour or less on average. If she is as stunning as you say, she won't stand in Thermae for that long before getting a customer. So many times, I started to consider some girl and just about ready to approach her when some Japanese guy got to her first and whisked her away. Too slow to decide.
You could ask the girl how many she gets. LOL. She knows better than anyone but unlikely to be very specific. It could range from 1 to 5, depending on how much money she needs, or how diligent she is or how easy the customers were. There must be low days and extremely busy days. We can't know the true answer for the average Thermae stunner, since there are so few of them.
Bear in mind that a really top girl can do several STs in one night. That is an added reason why LT 5 k does not interest them in the slightest. If you can find a great GFE girl their you are doing well.
Hi guys,
I have an awesome flight deal to Bangkok at the end of August and am very interested in booking it. I have been (mongered) a number of places (I am 34) including the normal hotspots of Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Panama, Peru, Germany and Hungary. However, after reading these threads I am kinda torn. It seems the prices for good looking women are almost at the $200 range -- which is insane as that is the same rate I could pay here in America (which I don't). I always heard that Thailand was a good deal but I am guessing demand / people throwing money has created inflation or just higher prices in general? Do you think I should still go? Look, I am not cheap but I can go to Medellin for the same price flight and get many girls for $50-$100 for 1-2 hours and if I wanted to be cheap I could go to a few casas. I just don't know if I can justify flying an insane amount of time for pussy that will be more than I would pay in America. Do you think it is worth the trip? Are there a lot of normal things to do in Bangkok besides you know what? I would be riding solo, so it is easy to meetup with fellow travelers? Yes, I am a noob but just want to get your opinion is if it is worth traveling halfway around the world to experience Thailand. P.S. Are there other areas better to visit I. E. Chaing Mai or the beach areas?
Crocodilexp
07-07-17, 09:10
I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.
I've occasionally seen an Indian sex worker in low-end streetwalker areas of Bangkok (Yaowarat and Khlong Lot), and have seen two on Beach Road in Pattaya last year, once out of a thousand times I walked there. However, on any given night, your chances of finding one are extremely low, even if you know where to look. It's fair to say you won't find any, though stranger things have happened in Thailand.
Crocodilexp
07-07-17, 09:22
I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate.It's an interesting question, though unless someone is willing to stand at the back door of Thermae with a click-counter for a few nights, it's only a guess. I agree with what Syzygies said, that 5 would be about the maximum (an average ST lasting 1 h or less).
Thai working girls (especially the pretty ones) are typically not ultra-hard-working nor singularly focused on maximizing their income. I think most would call it a night after 1-3 customers, unless they had specific reasons to work more. Even a single ST, 2500 baht, is a solid amount of money in Thailand, a 7-11 employee takes 8 working days (at 300 baht / day) to make that much.
SteelBaton
07-07-17, 13:12
I had an open few days on a business trip in southeast Asia and was encouraged to come to Bangkok for another visit. I have visited in the past, but not really found much to my liking. However, a senior member sealed the deal when he offered to show me around and make some introductions. Unfortunately, he seems to have stood me up -- no doubt for some good reason, but the courtesy of tell me would have been nice -- no matter, I was left to my own abilities and research in the forum, the normal situation. Fortunately, this is one of best forums with lots of helpful members and detailed postings. I don't expect this post will add much.
Arrival: Landed at BKK and picked up two True Home 4 G tourist 8-day SIM cards with unlimited 4 G data for US $10/each just outside of customs. One for the phone and one for the iPad. (so far very fast data and no issues). After much RTFF, I decided I would scout out the Saphan Kwai clubs and Ratchada massage shops since these sounded the most local and previously mentioned senior member had talked them up. I booked a room at the (mostly) newly renovated Swissotel LE Concord on Ratchada Road ($130/ night on the executive floor) From BKK I easily and quickly made my way via the Skytrain from the airport to the Makkasan station but then made the mistake of hailing a taxi at 5:00 pm on a rainy evening. I should have just transferred to the subway and taken the train to Huai Khwang station because it's a 3-minute walk to the LE Concord. 30 minute taxi ride in lots of traffic, but only 100 baht who can complain about US $3. 00 ?
Night 1: Ratchada Massage -.
I was delighted to see that The Lord Hotel and Spa is essentially directly across the street and a 4 minute walk from the hotel as are a couple other massage places. I entered The Lord Spa (entrance on the leftside of the building) at 8:00 pm. It's a really nice looking place inside! To the left of the high-ceilinged marble lobby there is a two-tier wedding cake of 75 girls surrounded by a low gold railing and numerous tables and comfortable chairs strewn about. The place was very well lighted and it was easy to see the girls clearly. There were 6-8 well dressed male and female hosts who assisted guests into the area. I was met by a gentleman who explained the tiered pricing of the ladies: are 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K, L, XL and XX for 90 minutes.
There were about 75 women who were 6-8's of various ages and sizes. I asked for someone 20-22 (as locals know, the girls have to be at least 20 to work in these places or the bars), with natural breasts and no kids. Well, that requirement winnowed the herd right down to 3 girls. All in the K or M range. I selected an M class (sorry don't recall her number) who's name was Phoo. Service was pretty much the standard affair but done with enthusiasm. I certainly knew I was doing a pro and not the girl next door for all the scrubbing and wiping and mouth-washing and soaping and washing and lubricate. It was ok 7/10.
Night 1: Saphan Kwai Bars (near 26 Sutthisan Winitchai and Soi Inthamara).
This scene has been well documented by BKKDOG in his Saphan Kwai blog as a locals place and not recommended for tourists (like me). Nevertheless, I was interested and hopped a taxi from The Lord at 9:45/10:00 and made my way to the area. This should have been a piece of cake, but the main road connecting the two areas was changed to one-way the wrong way and the taxi driver and I had to navigate several kms out of our way to get there. Glad I had Google Maps running because the driver wouldn't have figured it out.
The street looked pretty dead, but I found T-Ded bar. Which is a pretty big place for this area. I almost missed it because the door facing the street were chained shut, fortunately I looked down an alley way and saw the entrance. It's a run down club with good lighting and music not too loud so you can actually have a conversation. I should say if you spoke Thai you might have a conversation, because no one spoke much English. I speak no Thai, but I was able to get by just fine with Google Translate. In fact it was amazing that even with loud music the speaking function works pretty well. Well enough that I could talk back and forth with a girl using it even with the music blasting pretty loud.
My thought was to ingratiate myself with these folks, in hopes that someone could guide me to some attractive girls, cause I didn't see anything that looked very good on arrival and if it looked good I could come back the next night. By about 11:00 pm there were 50+ girls and half the tables were full of local Thai guys. I ordered a bunch of food, got a girl and bought her a 120 baht lady drink, ordered a bunch of beer. Eventually the staff was helping me out and bring better looking girls around. I found that the girl who I bought the LD from wasn't for take out but that was cool, it was only 120 baht. I met some local guys who spoke English and seemed keen to hang out so I drank with them and we took turn getting 100 baht lap dances. I got LINE contact from several of the girls, but none struck me as hot enough to take home. The asking price was 2,500 short time. I asked the locals about other bars in the area (RCA, The Best, For-U) but they said they had all closed or moved. Google Maps shows in street view the signs for For-you and RCA, but the actual street has no signs so maybe they have moved. I picked up the local guys check and paid my own, which had swelled to 2,300, tipped the hosts and manager 100-200 baht each and left with my wallet 3,500 lighter. It was a nice friendly experience but it probably takes a few trips before it would yield anything special.
I left around 12:30 am and walked both sides of Sutthisan Winitchai and found only one other bar. A place with no sign but brightly lighted and I was welcomed in. I later found they call the place something like UD or EP (two initials, one a vowel), its located close to Soi 1. The girls inside here were better than what I had seen at T-Ded. Fewer tats, less fat, younger. But at 1:00 am there were maybe a total of 15 girls of which 2-3 were attractive to me. They were 2,000ST and said they had a place very close maybe that hotel across the street?? I sat and talked and fondled a few for 45 minutes and a couple of beers but wasn't inspired and called it a night.
Summary: Swissotel Le Concord is great location for exploring these two areas. The massage scene seems active and I'll explore it more tonight. the bars on Saphan Kwai are a very interesting local experience - a nice change up.
Well, here goes my first FR.
Being a high profile individual in my company, it was difficult for me to monger around in the open. So, I resorted to having escorts to my room discretely.
Night 1: I came to BKK for a conference, and arrived late in the evening. After commuting through the traffic to Sukhumvit, I checked in and contacted Absolute Angels. They sent over a girl named Star. Well, to be fair the girl was not what I expected after looking at the pics. Still, I paid her in full and moved on to the shower with her. She had an amazing figure and fake boobs. After the shower, I asked her for a BJ which she declined because of a dental problem. I told her to then start riding me. On goes the cap and the girl riding the bull. Boy is she tight. After 15 minutes of sweat in 3-4 positions I gave up and exploded. She cleaned up quickly, and we had some food ordered. After the food we went in for another round for 15-20 minutes and then she was off.
Looks: 10/10 in the website, 5/10 in actual.
Figure: 8/10, no tummy.
Service: 6/10 for no BBBJ or DATY.
WIR: No.
Night 2: This time, I ordered a Russian from Bangkok-Russian-escorts.com. The girl (Alexa) arrived with a female bodyguard, who collected the money and demanded tips! Did not tip her and asked her to leave. This was not the girl I ordered, but a well built Russian with good boobs. So I continued. But then it all went down hill. No shower together, although she insisted on me having shower and then she went in for shower!! No BBBJ, No DATY, No fingering! So, I started banging her. In between, she had her annoying phone ringing. She went off to attend twice. I banged her again for 1/2 HR because jonny was relaxed a bit and had more energy. Then let her off.
Looks: 8/10.
Figure: 8/10, little tummy but natural see cups.
Service: 3/10 for no BBBJ or DATY.
WIR: No.
Night 2 again: At 3 AM, I was up because of jet lag, and ordered a girl from Smooci. Forgot her name, but she has a pic in a bright green bikini on Smooci and with goggles. She looked exactly like her pics and boobs were better than expected on such a tiny frame. Well, she came in at 3:30 and we went for a quick shower. She started giving me a BBBJ in the shower without asking. Finally, bliss! Off to the bed, bit of banging, fingering, BBBJ and session 1 done. We watched a few online things on youtube, and then we started again. This time BBBJ was much much longer and she knew her deed. Had an amazing time with this girl. Well worth the money.
Final day: I ordered a girl called Beer from Smooci again. Looks surprised me on how well these girls can alter their profile pics using photoshop. Well, long story short. Great body, natural boobs and forgettable face. Blowjobs were wet and amazing. The girl had an amazing chatterbox and pleasing attitude. After round 1 of fucking, she offered me a massage, which I took. Then we had some coffee, and off to round 2. I told her to give me an end to end blowjob, which she was more than happy to give. She turned around with her ass and pussy on my face for a 69 and we both started our tongue work. She was obviously much better at it. My balls and dick were being well attended to, and boy the 15 minutes of extremely wet and powerful blowjob rendered me shivering.
Thanks for the report. I used to frequent the Ratchada soapies very often, but ever since Nataree closed down, I haven't been able to find one worth going to. Sure, the sideliner girls at Nataree could sometimes be very inexperienced, but I loved the girl-next-door vibe they all had, and most of the girls were young and HOT.
Since Nataree's closure, I've periodically browsed through Ocean / Colonze, Emmanuelle / Amsterdam, Merci, The Lord, Alaina, La Belle, and further outposts such as Catherine's and La Defense. All have been disappointing. The girls in these places are over the hill or too pro. No fun for someone who prefers the amateur girl-next-door. Haven't seen a young hot 9 or 10 in a long while. If you find a good one, please let us know!
Night 1: Ratchada Massage -.
I was delighted to see that The Lord Hotel and Spa is essentially directly across the street and a 4 minute walk from the hotel as are a couple other massage places. I entered The Lord Spa (entrance on the leftside of the building) at 8:00 pm. It's a really nice looking place inside! To the left of the high-ceilinged marble lobby there is a two-tier wedding cake of 75 girls surrounded by a low gold railing and numerous tables and comfortable chairs strewn about. The place was very well lighted and it was easy to see the girls clearly. There were 6-8 well dressed male and female hosts who assisted guests into the area. I was met by a gentleman who explained the tiered pricing of the ladies: are 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K, L, XL and XX for 90 minutes.
There were about 75 women who were 6-8's of various ages and sizes. I asked for someone 20-22 (as locals know, the girls have to be at least 20 to work in these places or the bars), with natural breasts and no kids. Well, that requirement winnowed the herd right down to 3 girls. All in the K or M range. I selected an M class (sorry don't recall her number) who's name was Phoo. Service was pretty much the standard affair but done with enthusiasm. I certainly knew I was doing a pro and not the girl next door for all the scrubbing and wiping and mouth-washing and soaping and washing and lubricate. It was ok 7/10.
Francesco24
07-07-17, 14:35
Ann or Amm from Isaan. Slim body, maybe mid 20's, average face (a lot better than most of the old ones usually seen at BJ bars).
Didn't allow kiss, didn't allow to touch her anywhere (boobs / ass. So I guess even less chances to touch pussy), didn't want to get naked.
Average BJ, not so bad but really nothing special (just one base movement).
Had the decency not to ask for a tip at least.
Blanquiceleste
07-07-17, 15:05
Thai working girls (especially the pretty ones) are typically not ultra-hard-working nor singularly focused on maximizing their income. I think most would call it a night after 1-3 customers, unless they had specific reasons to work more. Even a single ST, 2500 baht, is a solid amount of money in Thailand, a 7-11 employee takes 8 working days (at 300 baht / day) to make that much.And the pretty ones often have more than one sponsor regularly sending them money from abroad. I know some girls who are clearing as much as 50 K a month just from chumps whom they have never met. Now add that to their income from ST jaunts. If one were to assume 3 pops a night one 3 days a week, then she is making around 22 K a week, or roughly 80 K a month from ST pops alone. And she is working 3 nights a week for roughly 4 - 6 hours per night.
That is real serious income in Thailand. Middle management in most industries would be making that kind of money.
JeremyOfWSG
07-07-17, 18:06
Hi guys,
I have an awesome flight deal to Bangkok at the end of August and am very interested in booking it. I have been (mongered) a number of places (I am 34) including the normal hotspots of Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Panama, Peru, Germany and Hungary. However, after reading these threads I am kinda torn. It seems the prices for good looking women are almost at the $200 range -- which is insane as that is the same rate I could pay here in America (which I don't). I always heard that Thailand was a good deal but I am guessing demand / people throwing money has created inflation or just higher prices in general? Do you think I should still go? Look, I am not cheap but I can go to Medellin for the same price flight and get many girls for $50-$100 for 1-2 hours and if I wanted to be cheap I could go to a few casas. I just don't know if I can justify flying an insane amount of time for pussy that will be more than I would pay in America. Do you think it is worth the trip? Are there a lot of normal things to do in Bangkok besides you know what? I would be riding solo, so it is easy to meetup with fellow travelers? Yes, I am a noob but just want to get your opinion is if it is worth traveling halfway around the world to experience Thailand. P.S. Are there other areas better to visit I. E. Chaing Mai or the beach areas?Go, I seriously doubt you will regret it. Chiang Mai isn't particularly good for mongering but it's a nice city. There is no place like Thailand.
Gannaton48
07-07-17, 18:08
Well, here goes my first FR.
Being a high profile individual in my company, it was difficult for me to monger around in the open. So, I resorted to having escorts to my room discretely.
Night 1: I came to BKK for a conference, and arrived late in the evening. After commuting through the traffic to Sukhumvit, I checked in and contacted Absolute Angels. They sent over a girl named Star. Well, to be fair the girl was not what I expected after looking at the pics. Still, I paid her in full and moved on to the shower with her. She had an amazing figure and fake boobs. After the shower, I asked her for a BJ which she declined because of a dental problem. I told her to then start riding me. On goes the cap and the girl riding the bull. Boy is she tight. After 15 minutes of sweat in 3-4 positions I gave up and exploded. She cleaned up quickly, and we had some food ordered. After the food we went in for another round for 15-20 minutes and then she was off.
Looks: 10/10 in the website, 5/10 in actual.
Figure: 8/10, no tummy.
Service: 6/10 for no BBBJ or DATY.
WIR: No.
Night 2: This time, I ordered a Russian from Bangkok-Russian-escorts.com. The girl (Alexa) arrived with a female bodyguard, who collected the money and demanded tips! Did not tip her and asked her to leave. This was not the girl I ordered, but a well built Russian with good boobs. So I continued. But then it all went down hill. No shower together, although she insisted on me having shower and then she went in for shower!! No BBBJ, No DATY, No fingering! So, I started banging her. In between, she had her annoying phone ringing. She went off to attend twice. I banged her again for 1/2 HR because jonny was relaxed a bit and had more energy. Then let her off.
Looks: 8/10.
Figure: 8/10, little tummy but natural see cups.
Service: 3/10 for no BBBJ or DATY.
WIR: No.
Night 2 again: At 3 AM, I was up because of jet lag, and ordered a girl from Smooci. Forgot her name, but she has a pic in a bright green bikini on Smooci and with goggles. She looked exactly like her pics and boobs were better than expected on such a tiny frame. Well, she came in at 3:30 and we went for a quick shower. She started giving me a BBBJ in the shower without asking. Finally, bliss! Off to the bed, bit of banging, fingering, BBBJ and session 1 done. We watched a few online things on youtube, and then we started again. This time BBBJ was much much longer and she knew her deed. Had an amazing time with this girl. Well worth the money.
Final day: I ordered a girl called Beer from Smooci again. Looks surprised me on how well these girls can alter their profile pics using photoshop. Well, long story short. Great body, natural boobs and forgettable face. Blowjobs were wet and amazing. The girl had an amazing chatterbox and pleasing attitude. After round 1 of fucking, she offered me a massage, which I took. Then we had some coffee, and off to round 2. I told her to give me an end to end blowjob, which she was more than happy to give. She turned around with her ass and pussy on my face for a 69 and we both started our tongue work. She was obviously much better at it. My balls and dick were being well attended to, and boy the 15 minutes of extremely wet and powerful blowjob rendered me shivering.I will be there in some days from now. Would be really interested in meeting the first of your 2 Smooci grils, unfortunately you don't recall her name. Having a look through Smooci I could'nt see any with a green bikini, at least today. Could be so kind and try to investigate Smooci for finding her and let me know? Thanks a lot!!
FormulaOneFan
07-07-17, 23:20
I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate. Or, was that a stupid question?? In that case bite me. Bite me!
J. T.Certainly not extensive data sampling, but the girl I met at Thermae back in March and then spent 7 the week with when I returned in May says she generally does no more than 2ST per night unless things have been slow for several days then she might try to get 3+ to pad her bank account. I was purely interested so I could have a reasonable number for compensating her for spending 24/7 with me when I was in town. Not wanting to overpay, but also not wanting to severely underpay for her time and potential lost income from other clients.
Hi guys,
I have an awesome flight deal to Bangkok at the end of August and am very interested in booking it. I have been (mongered) a number of places (I am 34) including the normal hotspots of Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Panama, Peru, Germany and Hungary. However, after reading these threads I am kinda torn. It seems the prices for good looking women are almost at the $200 range -- which is insane as that is the same rate I could pay here in America (which I don't). I always heard that Thailand was a good deal but I am guessing demand / people throwing money has created inflation or just higher prices in general? Do you think I should still go? Look, I am not cheap but I can go to Medellin for the same price flight and get many girls for $50-$100 for 1-2 hours and if I wanted to be cheap I could go to a few casas. I just don't know if I can justify flying an insane amount of time for pussy that will be more than I would pay in America. Do you think it is worth the trip? Are there a lot of normal things to do in Bangkok besides you know what? I would be riding solo, so it is easy to meetup with fellow travelers? Yes, I am a noob but just want to get your opinion is if it is worth traveling halfway around the world to experience Thailand. P.S. Are there other areas better to visit I. E. Chaing Mai or the beach areas?How long would you plan to go? If you do 2 weeks with 1 week BKK and 1 week Pattaya it be worth it!
SteelBaton
07-08-17, 10:08
* Thermae - made my way here at 9:00 pm (they open at 8:00 pm) on a Friday night. This has been described elsewhere, but for the lazy newcomer (rare, right??) Located near Nana Plaza, it's a wide-open room about 40 meters x 15 meters with a low ceiling, bright lights and a linoleum floor with a sort of wooden serpentine shape bar-height table running through the middle and a bar counter on one end with a half dozen guys trying to get everyone who enters to buy a drink. The entire perimeter is lined with working girls standing with their hands folded shoulder to shoulder maybe 75 or 100 girls. Punters walk around looking at the girls and stopping to chat with those that look interesting. To my eye the quality was pretty average. 30%-40% over-thirty-year-old Milfs, 40% late 20's, maybe 15% early 20's. I didn't see any 9's or 10's, mostly 6-7's.
The vibe is really kinda weird and sterile. Few of the girls seemed to be flirty, most just stood there or talked to a friend. Many made eye contact and smiled a bit. But it was none of the liveliness of say visiting a barbershop back in the Changping days or even your average fishbowl.
* Girl#1 - I found a couple that looked nice and got some smiles. Finally settled on a 23-year-old sporting a tight mid-riff and flawless skin. After 45 seconds of pleasantries, I said let's go for ST. She said 3,000. I laughed and said 2,500; she said 3,000. This went on for another 30 seconds before she said ok. So, it's really all business here and not like flirting and a little groping in the clubs. There are no seats, it is just a commercial market, indoor streetwalkers, in good light so you can see what you are getting.
Directly about Thermae is the Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel, accessible via a back stairway, where they charge 700 for 2 hours for a room and 100 for a pack of condoms. They took the girl's ID. And, up we went to the 4th floor. (One could get a room here for the whole night and just shuttle girls in and out. The Agoda nightly rate is 1,100 baht / US $35. So, if you were thinking of more than one session, or just wanted to save some money, it would be worth it to book a room all night. The quality is fair a 2 star-type place but it's cheap and cheery and clean with a decent king bed in a large room. There are a couple of other nicer places within 100 metres including a Sofitel.).
In the room, the girl did the funniest thing I've seen in a while. She took out her phone and turned on the camera then walked around the room pointing the lens at the wall, at the curtains, at the ceiling, into ventilation ducts, under the bed. I asked her WTF she was doing. She said "checking for spy cameras" Oh, really? How's that work? "All spy cameras will show up as red dots if you point a phone at them!" OK! Whatever! Can you please take your clothes off now?
The girl was very friendly and sweet. She spoke a little English. She confessed that she had been doing this 3 nights a week for 5 weeks, and I was her first European, and she was nervous. I suspect judging from the looks I got that many of the girls here haven't been with Caucasians and many don't want to try. But, my girl was game to expand her, ah, ah, horizons and we had good time. Really stunning tight body, albeit with new fake tits that were nice quality but not really my thing. Showered together before, decent BBBJ, and a good if slightly star-fish fuck. Didn't want to do doggy and complained a bit about size but soldiered-on like a good Buddhist girl.
This had only taken 45 minutes so I held on to the room key thinking I might get another girl.
Damage: 2,500 + 500 tip + 700 room + 100 condo = 3,800.
Face: 8/10.
Body: 9/10 (if fake tits don't lose points, otherwise 7/10); no kids.
Service: 6/10.
Attitude: 8/10.
Repeat: maybe, she could get GFE with some time.
* Girl #2 - I wasn't fully sated so I went back to look around again. By 10:30 the place had filled with men and it was a bit of a conga line of guys walking counterclockwise (this being a Buddhist country) around looking at the girls. In the corner I saw a young-looking girl who wasn't dolled up standing with a woman who could have been a mamasan or aunt. She wasn't the cutest or thinnest of the women but she had a much less pro attitude and I thought I might find a little innocence. She said she was 21 and had no kids. I said ok, let's go, 2,500. She countered with 3,000 and we went back and forth. I could see she was a little hesitate about me and in the interests of time I said ok to 3,000 (sorry guys for not holding the line).
Back to the hotel and she insisted on showering alone which reinforced my sense that she was inexperienced and shy. She emerged wrapped in a towel and I showered. When I came out she was, as I thought she might be, under the covers with the towel on and all the lights but one off. LOL. I dragged her out and on to the top of the covers, turned on a few lights, and unwrapped the package. She was bit chubby with small tits but no signs of pregnancy and an unfortunately very hairy Bush. Not exactly sexy, but I thought a BJ would get me in the mood so after a little cuddling I suggested she do that.
Then it happened. She pulled out a condom and tried to put it on me. Well, this is a total nonstarter for me. It is just a worthless endeavor and I haven't accepted one in about 15 years. So I told her No. She said yes condom. I said no way. Then she pulled this bullshit: she pulled her lip down and said she had a sore. I couldn't see a damn sore, but WTF am I going to do. At this point I was totally uninterested in fucking her. So I called the whole thing off and gave 1000 baht and got out there. I'm 80% sure this is just the bullshit she pulls so she doesn't have to do a BBBJ.
Damage: 1000.
Face: 6/10.
Body: 6/10.
Service: 0/10.
Attitude: 0/10.
** Summary thoughts on Thermae: This seems like a (relative to massage parlors) cheap place to get yourself laid with a minimum of wasted time and with a large selection of girls. The quality wasn't so great the night that I was there, but I'm sure one could find diamonds if you stopped by frequently. It's convenient, so you could have a look and move on. There is no cover. If you are mongering with a thin wallet, the option of getting a room at the hotel above would save money and time. You could pretty much count on 3 shags and a night at the hotel for less than 10,000.
SteelBaton
07-08-17, 10:29
After not finding much quality at Thermeas I decided to walk to Levels since there are only about 15 minutes apart and Levels has a reputation for quality FLs. I arrived about 11:00 pm on a Friday. Levels, is a proper dance type club on the upper floors with an outside bar area filled with smokers. No cover and I paid 120 baht for a soda and walked around. There was a mix of mongers and normal folks including a few Western backpacker types shooting selfies. Good live band and small dance floor filled. The FLs here are supposed to be 5,000 to 6,000 which seems pretty fucking expensive for the talent I saw. In fact there was really none that looked very hot other than one tall girl with a white lace body suit on. Body looked very tight and nice, but I'the guess at least a 50% chance she was a post-op. So, I don't know if this was average or not, but it was a disappointment. Several chunky girls waddling around. No idea who would dish out $150 for that. I can't see the draw of that place and won't go out of my way again without some better reports. I cut my losses and decided to make a dash to The Lord before they closed at midnight.
Buddy,
I went through my phone logs to find messages from Smooci and found her name. Her name was Kel.
I will be there in some days from now. Would be really interested in meeting the first of your 2 Smooci grils, unfortunately you don't recall her name. Having a look through Smooci I could'nt see any with a green bikini, at least today. Could be so kind and try to investigate Smooci for finding her and let me know? Thanks a lot!!
Banana Boi
07-08-17, 18:55
OMG steel baton, too funny about the hidden camera detector on the girl's phone. I just looked them up on Google play for fun. Mixed reviews whether they even work. I hope I run into a girl who does that one day.
Are the girls hotter at levels, lord, or thermae?
Member #4698
07-08-17, 19:23
* Thermae - made my way here at 9:00 pm (they open at 8:00 pm) on a Friday night. .... To my eye the quality was pretty average. 30%-40% over-thirty-year-old Milfs, 40% late 20's, maybe 15% early 20's. I didn't see any 9's or 10's, mostly 6-7's.
The vibe is really kinda weird and sterile. Few of the girls seemed to be flirty, most just stood there or talked to a friend. Many made eye contact and smiled a bit. But it was none of the liveliness of say visiting a barbershop back in the Changping days or even your average fishbowl.
* Girl#1 - ... The girl was very friendly and sweet. She spoke a little English. She confessed that she had been doing this 3 nights a week for 5 weeks, and I was her first European, and she was nervous. I suspect judging from the looks I got that many of the girls here haven't been with Caucasians and many don't want to try. But, my girl was game to expand her, ah, ah, horizons and we had good time. Really stunning tight body, albeit with new fake tits that were nice quality but not really my thing. Showered together before, decent BBBJ, and a good if slightly star-fish fuck. Didn't want to do doggy and complained a bit about size but soldiered-on like a good Buddhist girl.
This had only taken 45 minutes so I held on to the room key thinking I might get another girl. .....
Repeat: maybe, she could get GFE with some time.
* Girl #2 - .... I'm 80% sure this is just the bullshit she pulls so she doesn't have to do a BBBJ.
Damage: 1000.
Face: 6/10.
Body: 6/10.
Service: 0/10.
Attitude: 0/10.
** Summary thoughts on Thermae: This seems like a (relative to massage parlors) cheap place to get yourself laid with a minimum of wasted time and with a large selection of girls. The quality wasn't so great the night that I was there, but I'm sure one could find diamonds if you stopped by frequently. It's convenient, so you could have a look and move on. There is no cover. If you are mongering with a thin wallet, the option of getting a room at the hotel above would save money and time. You could pretty much count on 3 shags and a night at the hotel for less than 10,000.Hi Steel, I think your report captures the essence of modern day Thermae. I am not a fan. Most of the girls do not appeal to me, although there are always a few who might under different circumstances, but I really dislike the weird, sterile (good description), environment with everybody just standing apart, with minimum interaction between the sexy doable girls and the guys. It seems kind of juvenile and adolescent to me. Both Go Go's and massage parlors coming at it from different angles and approaches provide better opportunities, better odds of success, and more fun IMHO. The NE Asians ruined this venue. Thermae used to be a lot of fun in the good ol days.
? Did your first girl go back to Thermae after the session?
SearcherMan
07-09-17, 02:59
Left Pattaya to BKK for my last 5 nights in Thailand. Made a pass through the MP zone around Phrom Phong BTS station last night. In the previous 2 weeks, I had 3 hot sessions before I found a solid 9/10 GFE steady in Pattaya. She will meet me in BKK to round out my last 2 days. So I was pretty sated and jaded when I set out. Unlike last time cruising around Soi 24 Sukhumvit, I didn't luck into an awesome MILF hottie to break my 5 year sexual fast. I started hitting them at 9:30. Addict had an unimpressive lineup, as did Snow White, and Orient, (previous hottie not seen out front). Some had very few available, or a horde of men just walked in before me, and I didn't want to hassle the inevitable shrinking of the talent pool. Only Club 102 had a good lineup where a late 30's MILF gave me a smile of inevitably banging me brainless. But when the European proprietor handed me the price list, I declined and left. It was the highest prices I saw there. I assume it means we get everything w / o much tipping, as opposed to Snow White where the prices were 1/3 of Club 102. I wasn't horny enough, and too picky to take a chance on the price. Is Club 102 worth it, assuming that hottie I saw there is still available?
I then walked to Nana Plaza. The bars were closed, but the FL's were out. A lot of trans, run down looking older and young women, and overly made up snow queens. If I had the time, horniness, and extra bucks for a ST room, I'd comb through the bevy of African women I saw there, and pick a jewel.
I'll go back to Soi 24 tonight.
Wander Luster
07-09-17, 06:33
* Thermae -
** Summary thoughts on Thermae: This seems like a (relative to massage parlors) cheap place to get yourself laid with a minimum of wasted time and with a large selection of girls. The quality wasn't so great the night that I was there, but I'm sure one could find diamonds if you stopped by frequently. It's convenient, so you could have a look and move on. There is no cover. If you are mongering with a thin wallet, the option of getting a room at the hotel above would save money and time. You could pretty much count on 3 shags and a night at the hotel for less than 10,000.I've been on this forum for over 15 years and remember the old posts about Thermae. I've walked by it in the past, and if I remember correctly there used to be "girls" (mid to late 30's) outside calling out to punters. I guess they are no longer the famous place for the older-ish women? I finally went there last Dec and it was truly miserable. Granted, I got one of the last girls before closing!
I just don't understand why we hear so much about this place? What is so special? Is it cheap now, that's why? I've been to BKK over the years and had some of the most AMAZING experiences with soapy message. What is special about Thermae when there are 100 X other places which put this to shame IMHO? What am I missing?
Wander Luster
07-09-17, 07:14
I live and work in HCMC but will be in BKK Aug 15 to late Sept.
I'd love to meet up with another hobbyist in BKK who can show me the freelance scene. I did the club and FL scene outside Nana in 12/2016 and found it fantastic, far better than the current bar / club scene. It's a little closer to real pick up / GF situations IMHO, as many of these girls are a bit picky and have regular day jobs. I say this in spite of the fact that I'm late 40's and not in the same physical shape I was in BKK in my 20's. Still considered very attractive but older, though.
As for HCMC, it takes a long time to understand P4 P or getting laid in first 2 dates. Our Western ideas of P4 P are totally useless there, so I'd be more than happy to give you tips when you visit. I'm working / living there for 10 months straight and have been there 1 year already.
Cheers,
WL.
SteelBaton
07-09-17, 07:33
OMG steel baton, too funny about the hidden camera detector on the girl's phone. I just looked them up on Google play for fun. Mixed reviews whether they even work. I hope I run into a girl who does that one day.
Are the girls hotter at levels, lord, or thermae?Of the three, The Lord girls are much, much better than Thermae, of course twice the price. I closed out my night at The Lord again. I'll write that up later. I could not really see the point of Levels, but I suppose better looking than Thermae but none that got me interested.
SteelBaton
07-09-17, 07:40
Hi Steel, I think your report captures the essence of modern day Thermae. I am not a fan. Most of the girls do not appeal to me, although there are always a few who might under different circumstances, but I really dislike the weird, sterile (good description), environment with everybody just standing apart, with minimum interaction between the sexy doable girls and the guys. It seems kind of juvenile and adolescent to me. Both Go Go's and massage parlors coming at it from different angles and approaches provide better opportunities, better odds of success, and more fun IMHO. The NE Asians ruined this venue. Thermae used to be a lot of fun in the good ol days.
? Did your first girl go back to Thermae after the session?Oh, yes girl #1 was right back down there looking for another go -- apparently the western equipment caused very temporary strife. Also girl #2 was right back in her spot, despite that "sore" on her lip.
I think if a mate just wanted to bang some pussy and wasn't very picky Thermae would be the most "efficient" place, but I don't think I'll be going back. Seems the owners could make a bit more money by encouraging longer stays by the punters with some couches and chairs, a little mellow music, and the lights dimmed just a bit. Not too much, I like being able to see what I'm buying.
I think if a mate just wanted to bang some pussy and wasn't very picky Thermae would be the most "efficient" place, but I don't think I'll be going back. Seems the owners could make a bit more money by encouraging longer stays by the punters with some couches and chairs, a little mellow music, and the lights dimmed just a bit. Not too much, I like being able to see what I'm buying.The Thermae always had bar stools and seating areas (tables with benches). Last time I was there, which is about 2 or 3 years ago, they were still there.
I've been on this forum for over 15 years and remember the old posts about Thermae. I've walked by it in the past, and if I remember correctly there used to be "girls" (mid to late 30's) outside calling out to punters. I guess they are no longer the famous place for the older-ish women? I finally went there last Dec and it was truly miserable. Granted, I got one of the last girls before closing!
I just don't understand why we hear so much about this place? What is so special? Is it cheap now, that's why? I've been to BKK over the years and had some of the most AMAZING experiences with soapy message. What is special about Thermae when there are 100 X other places which put this to shame IMHO? What am I missing?Maybe you are confusing Thermae with some other place? About 15 years ago Thermae was packed to the roof with lovely young girls in their twenties. OK, maybe not all of them were lovely but they were young anyway. If it ever was a famous place for the older-ish women then that must have been before my time.
There's nothing special (anymore) about Thermae. Nowadays the girls there are focused on Koreans and Japanese for the most part.
Blanquiceleste
07-09-17, 14:47
I just don't understand why we hear so much about this place? What is so special? Is it cheap now, that's why? I've been to BKK over the years and had some of the most AMAZING experiences with soapy message. What is special about Thermae when there are 100 X other places which put this to shame IMHO? What am I missing?SteelBaton put this really well. An indoor market for streetwalkers.
The only reason I think Thermae gets talked up so much is because it represents the forbidden fruit. The doable women there prefer Asian customers and hardly make any eye contact with anyone else. And that touches a raw nerve of the male ego. It is something you want to conquer then. LMAO.
Gannaton48
07-09-17, 14:52
Buddy,
I went through my phone logs to find messages from Smooci and found her name. Her name was Kel.Oh thanks a lot, really!
Gannaton48
07-09-17, 14:59
SteelBaton put this really well. An indoor market for streetwalkers.
The only reason I think Thermae gets talked up so much is because it represents the forbidden fruit. The doable women there prefer Asian customers and hardly make any eye contact with anyone else. And that touches a raw nerve of the male ego. It is something you want to conquer then. LMAO.Each has his likes. I have been several times at Thermae and confess that I like the big choice there, although I agree that many are uninteresting (at least they behave so) and even fewer go with caucasians; However I always found one, I am, for sure not Apollon (, am 69, overweight but-I think I can say that- a nice guy which makes the girls confident. Smilng and kindness, non rush, some appreciate this.
I would propsoe at least two reasons for men liking this place: first, there are supposedly no LBs (this would be a disaster to me!) and second is that the girls look "girl nextdoor". So if, like me, you don't look for PSE, this is an interesting place. It would just be stupid to compare it with Soi Cowboy or soapies, it is just completely different. I alos agree that my own experience in bed with girls from Thermae wasnot particularly memorable. But it is "different".
Banana Boi
07-09-17, 15:38
As gannaton states it's all about your taste in girls. I prefer under 25 and ones who resemble Japanese or Korean girls. I have an Asian guy's taste. I find the older ISG members I have met prefer the more traditional Thai look with no surgery. If you like the latter thermae is not really your place. Yes the girls in the middle portion of the bar and along the wall closer to soi 15 are older but the ones along the back wall and wall closer to Nana are younger.
Wanderlust, last minute pickings at thermae are pretty weak. Definitely not the same calibre as 830 to 930. All girls hustling outside are ladyboys because they are not allowed in to thermae.
Hi all,
I have not been to BKK before, after reading some of the post in this thread, I immediately plan for a trip to BKK in few weeks time.
For this trip I would like to get all the hot girls especially FL, I can pay up to 10000 bath LT for a very hot girl /.
From what I read, for FL, below are the places I should check out. Can you guys provide some inputs for the best place for me to get model type FL? As I rarely have the chance to go to BKK.
- Thermae cafe (from previous post, seems like I must check out this place).
- Levels?
- Insanity?
- MIXX?
- Baccara (agogo bar).
Thanks so much guys!
Gannaton48
07-09-17, 20:20
As gannaton states it's all about your taste in girls. I prefer under 25 and ones who resemble Japanese or Korean girls. I have an Asian guy's taste. I find the older ISG members I have met prefer the more traditional Thai look with no surgery. If you like the latter thermae is not really your place. Yes the girls in the middle portion of the bar and along the wall closer to soi 15 are older but the ones along the back wall and wall closer to Nana are younger.
Wanderlust, last minute pickings at thermae are pretty weak. Definitely not the same calibre as 830 to 930. All girls hustling outside are ladyboys because they are not allowed in to thermae.Well, despite the feequent quite perfect girly-look of LBs, I can certify that not all FLs outside are LBs. What are the alternatives to Thermae? Out of night clubs with FLs, is there any other place today similar to Thermae?
Bro why are you generalizing a few Indians with an entire community. We are 1. 3 Billion and growing. To make this short if I am taking a girl back she is for me not to share amongst friends.
I mentioned this earlier as well, Indians generally travel in groups, we are spoilt and need wing men. We have already had drinks at our hotel which we would have purchased from duty free. (Not in my case, I will still open a bottle in the club, without a 2nd thought), we have the money but want to spend on the girl we are taking back, because we still have drink bottles at the hotel which will be offered to the girls as well.
If 3 guys take a girl, it does not mean all 3 will fuck her, it could also be they didn't get what they want and will go to another place, while the guy who is taking the girl heads back to the room.
I hope I have answered your question. And bro Indians do have huge pockets we just plan our spendings a little better.
No offense, but why do Indians go to a bar in a group and order just one beer to share among 3 people? And the same for women. Surely there is more to this than just perception alone?
The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. There still is a deaf group of girls that are most likely victims of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and a few barracudas (chicks that will give bad service). Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. I have been told be some former nice thai female freelancers that don't even like to venture to that area any more because its horrible. The demographic of male customer has changed as well from Westerner to Indians and Arabs. For your information the Therme pub is for Japanese clients only even though you still will be allowed in place. The cold shoulder you will receive as a Westerner is simply the girls trying to give you the message. Americans can find better P4P women in Latin America. Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.
Banana Boi
07-10-17, 01:06
Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.Do you feel current hobbying in Europe is as good as it was 15 years ago because I don't believe it's anywhere close.
Franciscass
07-10-17, 01:17
If I were south Asian which I am not and a decent chap which I am I would be outraged at the discrimination I would find here.
Unfortunately this is what happens when a significant percentage of visitors from a particular country have a history and reputation of behaving badly.
Both bar owners and working girls just want to make a living and they couldn't give a rat's ass where you come from so blaming them for refusing entry or P4P service is not the answer.
Recognizing the need to adapt and change behavior on the part of those who gave rise to the problem is.
MagicSheep74
07-10-17, 01:21
Do you feel current hobbying in Europe is as good as it was 15 years ago because I don't believe it's anywhere close.Hobbling in Spain is as good as its ever been. I am living here and although Thailand was my numbers one destination 10 years ago, I find it hard to drag myself away from Spain due to the variety and relatively low cost. I will always have a soft spot for Bangkok, but we have better looking Eastern European and Latin hookers for more or less the same price. Also, if I ever get an Asian itch I need to scratch, we have plenty Asian massage parlours all over the place. I now limit myself to one Bangkok vacation a year, and just hit the high end spots to feed my desires. Spasso, Lords, Mixx etc.
Cheers.
The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. I have been told be some former nice thai female freelancers that don't even like to venture to that area any more because its horrible. The demographic of male customer has changed as well from Westerner to Indians and Arabs. For your information the Therme pub is for Japanese clients only even though you still will be allowed in place. The cold shoulder you will receive as a Westerner is simply the girls trying to give you the message. Americans can find better P4P women in Latin America. Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.I had a real good experience with no problems last week while staying at the Ruamchitt picked up 4 freelancers no problem and I'm a middle aged white American.
SearcherMan
07-10-17, 02:23
Hi all,
I have not been to BKK before, after reading some of the post in this thread, I immediately plan for a trip to BKK in few weeks time.
For this trip I would like to get all the hot girls especially FL, I can pay up to 10000 bath LT for a very hot girl /.
From what I read, for FL, below are the places I should check out. Can you guys provide some inputs for the best place for me to get model type FL? As I rarely have the chance to go to BKK.
- Thermae cafe (from previous post, seems like I must check out this place).
- Levels?
- Insanity?
- MIXX?
- Baccara (agogo bar).
Thanks so much guys!Throw Pattaya into your search. Hit the little known beer bars in BKK. Taste a few along the way. You shouldn't have to pay 10000. I wound up with a absolutely stunning beauty, in my eyes, for 2300 a day (w / BF).
For some one who has asked 10 questions before including this. You should spend more time rtff.
If you claim to have read "some" of the posts in this thread. Go back and read more.
As far as I remember there have been posts about the clubs you are wanted more info in this forum not long ago.
Gain some more credibility by posting some reports.
G.
Hi all,
I have not been to BKK before, after reading some of the post in this thread, I immediately plan for a trip to BKK in few weeks time.
For this trip I would like to get all the hot girls especially FL, I can pay up to 10000 bath LT for a very hot girl /.
From what I read, for FL, below are the places I should check out. Can you guys provide some inputs for the best place for me to get model type FL? As I rarely have the chance to go to BKK.
- Thermae cafe (from previous post, seems like I must check out this place).
- Levels?
- Insanity?
- MIXX?
- Baccara (agogo bar).
Thanks so much guys!
Maybe you are confusing Thermae with some other place? About 15 years ago Thermae was packed to the roof with lovely young girls in their twenties. OK, maybe not all of them were lovely but they were young anyway. If it ever was a famous place for the older-ish women then that must have been before my time.
There's nothing special (anymore) about Thermae. Nowadays the girls there are focused on Koreans and Japanese for the most part.My early visits to Thermae were just wonderful. Starting 25 years ago. Girls were amateurs only part time hookers. They seemed pretty horny. First girl worked in a clothing shop. She had big tits and a great body and I liked her face too. She stayed the whole night 3 to 4 nights in a row. I would have kept going with her, however she had enough money and returned to the province.
2nd girl was a hotel cleaner. Lovely girl. I would have kept repeating her too. Had to leave Thailand at the time.
In the modern day, it is hard to find anything there to my taste that I can get, and hard to get a good GFE. Generally disappointing. So yes somewhat over rated. However it suits those who don't want to pay a barfine and make a decision quickly. I prefer to see the girl's body to know what I am getting at least for the looks.
No memorable experiences from Thermae in recent years. Largely a waste of time for me. I do much better with bargirls for natural looks and fun sessions. I can keep trying only up to a point. Somehow Japanese like the Thermae, but I don't quite know why. Maybe its a cheaper option for them.
RyeHumor63
07-10-17, 05:17
Good Day fellow ISGs.
I am back in Bangkok for a little while, and while I will certainly do what I normally do in relation to massages, coyote girls etc, I was wondering if it is worth visiting any of the G-Clubs, such as Kush, Pimp, or Sherbet for example. I can certainly seeing going for entertainment reasons, which is absolutely fine, but am interested about prospects to leave for a ST or LT with one of the hostesses. I have read some threads on this subject off of ISG, but they are all out of date, so looking for a more current opinion.
Clearly I will endeavor to share my experiences as they arise, am definitely going to try some other soapies on this occasion, and plan to hire at least one escort from BangkokGoldenEscorts which appears to be the most professional from my readings on *** so far.
As gannaton states it's all about your taste in girls. I prefer under 25 and ones who resemble Japanese or Korean girls. I have an Asian guy's taste. I find the older ISG members I have met prefer the more traditional Thai look with no surgery. If you like the latter thermae is not really your place. Yes the girls in the middle portion of the bar and along the wall closer to soi 15 are older but the ones along the back wall and wall closer to Nana are younger.
Wanderlust, last minute pickings at thermae are pretty weak. Definitely not the same calibre as 830 to 930. All girls hustling outside are ladyboys because they are not allowed in to thermae.
Yes, Your observations are absolutely right. However like to state that I could always at least 6 times and last was in Dec 2016 took a girl from here and for LT though some have preference for ST. Though I am not Japanese. Plus point is there is a good selection available. So you can definitely pick up from Thermae, yes they at bit costly.
Gannaton48
07-10-17, 09:44
Left Pattaya to BKK for my last 5 nights in Thailand. Made a pass through the MP zone around Phrom Phong BTS station last night. In the previous 2 weeks, I had 3 hot sessions before I found a solid 9/10 GFE steady in Pattaya. She will meet me in BKK to round out my last 2 days. So I was pretty sated and jaded when I set out. Unlike last time cruising around Soi 24 Sukhumvit, I didn't luck into an awesome MILF hottie to break my 5 year sexual fast. I started hitting them at 9:30. Addict had an unimpressive lineup, as did Snow White, and Orient, (previous hottie not seen out front). Some had very few available, or a horde of men just walked in before me, and I didn't want to hassle the inevitable shrinking of the talent pool. Only Club 102 had a good lineup where a late 30's MILF gave me a smile of inevitably banging me brainless. But when the European proprietor handed me the price list, I declined and left. It was the highest prices I saw there. I assume it means we get everything w / o much tipping, as opposed to Snow White where the prices were 1/3 of Club 102. I wasn't horny enough, and too picky to take a chance on the price. Is Club 102 worth it, assuming that hottie I saw there is still available?
I then walked to Nana Plaza. The bars were closed, but the FL's were out. A lot of trans, run down looking older and young women, and overly made up snow queens. If I had the time, horniness, and extra bucks for a ST room, I'd comb through the bevy of African women I saw there, and pick a jewel.
I'll go back to Soi 24 tonight.I have only had very good experiences at Club 102. I like their type of girls. 2600 Bath is expensive? Well, considering the great quality and cleanlinessof the rooms and the service, it is far better than many oilies or FLs. Provided you find a girl you like. Great place.
SearcherMan
07-10-17, 09:46
I have only had very good experiences at Club 102. I like their type of girls. 2600 Bath is expensive? Well, considering the great quality and cleanlinessof the rooms and the service, it is far better than many oilies or FLs. Provided you find a girl you like. Great place.Thanks! I'm willing to pay for that given the quality of their women and your recommendation.
The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. There still is a deaf group of girls that are most likely victims of CodeWord908 and a few barracudas (chicks that will give bad service). Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. I agree it's not easy anymore to find a decent looking girl in the streets these days but that doesn't mean the freelance scene is not good anymore. It has been said a lot of times already on this board: a lot of freelancers have moved (are still moving) to the internet. With some time and effort apps like WeChat can be very very rewarding.
Times have changed and there's nothing you can do about it. So the best you can do is to hop on the new train and see where it gets you. You won't be disappointed.
Blanquiceleste
07-10-17, 14:32
Bro why are you generalizing a few Indians with an entire community. We are 1. 3 Billion and growing. To make this short if I am taking a girl back she is for me not to share amongst friends.
I mentioned this earlier as well, Indians generally travel in groups, we are spoilt and need wing men. We have already had drinks at our hotel which we would have purchased from duty free. (Not in my case, I will still open a bottle in the club, without a 2nd thought), we have the money but want to spend on the girl we are taking back, because we still have drink bottles at the hotel which will be offered to the girls as well.
If 3 guys take a girl, it does not mean all 3 will fuck her, it could also be they didn't get what they want and will go to another place, while the guy who is taking the girl heads back to the room.
I hope I have answered your question. And bro Indians do have huge pockets we just plan our spendings a little better.Don't shoot the messenger mate. I am simply quoting what I have heard from girls themselves and from mamasans and bartenders and bar owners.
I am fully aware of India's vast population and growing economic prowess, I agree that one should not generalize. But when 7 in 10 start behaving in a certain way, that is exactly what will happen.
P.S. - I am not your Bro.
Crocodilexp
07-11-17, 05:37
that doesn't mean the freelance scene is not good anymore. It has been said a lot of times already on this board: a lot of freelancers have moved (are still moving) to the internet.I wouldn't call anything on the internet a "freelancer scene". Sure, some of the internet girls are independent (no agency / pimp). Maybe they are technically speaking freelancers (though you could argue the internet itself is the intermediary instead of mamasan / bar / brothel), but the mode of operation, overall experience of finding one and even actual session dynamics are so different than with streetwalkers / freelancer bars that it's better not to confuse the two scenes.
MusicalToM
07-11-17, 05:56
Landed around 11 PM, went directly to Soi Cowboy after checking in. Considering the late Friday night I was in no mood to try other GoGos.
I was asked to show an identification card at the entrance of CH, don't know why but I don't look like a teenager. Ordered a beer and the night started.
#26.
As a senior ISG member suggested, this lady was my first bet. This lady was all around in the stage spreading her vibes. There were 2 groups (Jap+European I guess) lurking on her. I didn't have time so just bought her a LD (now-a-days the they don't allow single LDs, just want to suck customer's pocket) and she was with me in 5 minutes after completion of her stage round. Asked for LT straight away and her rate was 5 k+700 BF, which I agreed instantly. She informed and went with the mamasan. She was back in 5 minutes and demanded to pay upfront even before even leaving the premises! This was the worst I expected and immediately refused her politely mentioned a bad experience with a Baccara girl before when I paid upfront. I encountered her with 50% payment upfront and the rest in the morning but she was in no mood for that. I knew when the starting was not good the experience for the night would be in risk, thus asked her to join the stage.
Observed her going out after an hour, don't know she found a customer or what.
#1.
The lady was completely drunk with a beautiful face. Spoke with her for few minutes, touched the assets but let her go when she asked for LD. Didn't like the way she asked for a LD and the overall experience.
#46 or #48 (Don't remember the exact number).
She was standing besides me for some time thus had a quick little chat with her. Nice petite lady with unshaven pussy, in her early 20's I'm sure. She said she is from Chiang Mai and just recently started working. While talking to me she was looking around all the time which was a very negative point in a potential girl. Very soon she asked for a LD and I passed.
Went upstairs to look for some action, but all the girls were occupied with Japs / Koreans except the few ugly one's. I feel the up-stair of CH is utter useless in terms of talent unless you are there to spend some naughty time with your girl. Very soon I was back to downstairs.
It was already 1 o'clock and getting a LT girl was becoming very difficult!
#152.
Asked the mamasan to call her, upon checking the mamasan said she would come only if I BF her. What a joke! They expect to BF a lady without even talking. Anyway I told the mamasan to call her and I'll definitely BF her but after talking a while. She was with me soon, spoke over and her offer was ST 3 k. I encountered with 5 k LT to which she denied, even tried stretching to 5.5 k but she at all was not ready for LT. Let her go after feeling the nice grown up natural assets.
It was 2 o'clock and I directly asked mamasan to check with few girls I liked for LT, all of them denied for LT. By this time most of the girls I've seen on stage while entering at 11 o'clock were gone and replaced with new ST only girls I believe. I left around 2:30, still there were girls standing outside Suzie Wong and some other clubs but I called it a night thinking booking a lady from Smooci.
In short my experience at CH:
1 - The establishment tries to rip off their customers in the name of double LDs, tips and all other means of doing it.
2 - Early in the evening the one can find ladies on stage who are ready for LT / ST both for a not so rip off price. But as the night passes on after 1 o'clock it becomes real hard to find a girl willing to go LT.
3 - Be careful with some LD hopper girls, I was an old western guy being ripped of by 2 ladies in the name of LDs. Soon after he bought for them they simply left him.
4 - If you find a girl and want to enjoy some more time in private, go upstairs.
5 - They should reduce the music volume at least by 50%.
6 - If you want to have a free chat and feel of girls even without buying a LD, seat the closest seat available at the corner of the bar counter. Once the stage round is over girls would come there and you can have a quick chat with them.
In my 3 hours over there I saw few Westerners, Asians, Indians, Blacks almost all races, so honestly I don't think they only allow some specific races to their establishment. It all depends on how you look, your dress and most importantly how you present yourself. Just wanted to bring this point since some earlier reports mentioned the club being racists to certain races.
I wouldn't call anything on the internet a "freelancer scene". Sure, some of the internet girls are independent (no agency / pimp). Maybe they are technically speaking freelancers (though you could argue the internet itself is the intermediary instead of mamasan / bar / brothel), but the mode of operation, overall experience of finding one and even actual session dynamics are so different than with streetwalkers / freelancer bars that it's better not to confuse the two scenes.You wouldn't call anything on the internet a freelancer scene? I would say the independent girls are definitely freelancers, what else would they be?
Yes, the two scenes are different. Although I don't quite understand what you mean with 'even actual session dynamics are so different'.
Anyway I think quite a lot of girls that used to go to the freelancer bars or the Nana Plaza parking lot for example, or to Beach Road in Pattaya, don't go there anymore because it's so much easier to find customers on the internet. Especially for girls with a regular job. And some of them still go there but not as often as before, so the two scenes are partially mixed up.
And of course there's a whole new generation that never even went to places like that and have started a P4 P career on the internet. Last week I found a lovely 23 yo hair dresser on WeChat who lives somewhere in the outskirts of Bangkok. She had one of the best pussies I have ever felt in my life, but now I'm digressing LOL.
And in the last couple of days here in Pattaya, where I am now, I had sessions with a very cute and sweet 19 yo, a less cute but very horny 33 yo MILF and a skinny shy 24 yo nurse. All found through WeChat.
The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. There still is a deaf group of girls that are most likely victims of (yeah, yeah, whatever Code Words) and a few barracudas (chicks that will give bad service). Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. I have been told be some former nice thai female freelancers that don't even like to venture to that area any more because its horrible. The demographic of male customer has changed as well from Westerner to Indians and Arabs. For your information the Therme pub is for Japanese clients only even though you still will be allowed in place. The cold shoulder you will receive as a Westerner is simply the girls trying to give you the message. Americans can find better P4P women in Latin America. Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.I agree with your observations about the freelancer scene naturally changing in accordance with the change in the customer base. To be blunt and, I know, very politically incorrect, it just isn't likely that the Thai sensibilities and prejudices would lead to a pairing up of younger, better looking female freelancers with Indian and Arab customers. As more Indian and Arab customers move into an area, more of the younger, better looking Thai girls will move out and find customers somewhere else or in some other way. Or they just won't set up shop here at all. And not just the freelancers but the go-go dancers and massage shop girls, too. But as much as that has changed the typical freelancer line up in Bangkok, it is nothing compared with how it has changed it in Pattaya, imo.
However, I can't agree with you about Thermae. Thermae is not "for Japanese clients only. " Not by a long shot. I can assure you I or any of my other 60-ish year old Caucasian friends could cruise through Thermae tonight and within 2-3 minutes get an above average freelancer to go ST with him for the going rate.
Read on stickman that Bangkok bunnies has quit charging a barfine, you just negotiate with the girl and walk out with her after making a deal. Anyone have any first hand experience with this new policy?
Read on stickman that Bangkok bunnies has quit charging a barfine, you just negotiate with the girl and walk out with her after making a deal. Anyone have any first hand experience with this new policy?Yes, I went in there Monday night about 11:30 PM to check it out and two girls I bought lady drinks for each asked me to "Pay bar" for them. Knowing about this supposed new deal but wanting to see how it works in the real world, I asked how much the barfine was. They each said, "700 baht". Could be the girls are playing on the fact that there is no obvious sign or indication of this supposed No Barfine policy going on other than what some of us on these message boards and those who read Stickman have heard about it and they are just pocketing an extra 700 baht the bar is no longer collecting. Anything is possible if the place doesn't make sure every customer has been made aware of it and, more importantly, that every girl knows every customer has been made aware of it. Just like any other supposed "customer benefit". Unless the girls know the customers are informed about it, all kinds of mischief and scams can and will ensue.
I paid my drink bill and left. Went to another Nana go-go bar, paid the barfine and took a girl just like always. If there is a new No Barfine policy at Bangkok Bunnies, somebody needs to inform the girls about it and, as I said above, it is even more important that the girls know the customers are all aware of it. There are a ton of reasons why these things must be put right in the faces of the customers and making sure the girls suspect every customer would know about it so they don't bother trying to pull a scam is one of them. I really didn't feel like doing their job for them by asking around to this or that mamasan.
If these are the policies of Bangkok Bunnies, and I applaud them if they are, then how about a nice big sign next to the doorway that says something like, "NO COYOTES! ALL REAL GIRLS! NO BARFINE!"? Or is that too much of a bother and too complicated for the proprietors who expect to draw customers in on this deal to do and, after all, nobody reads manuals and all of that? lol.
Blanquiceleste
07-11-17, 16:47
If these are the policies of Bangkok Bunnies, and I applaud them if they are, then how about a nice big sign next to the doorway that says something like, "NO COYOTES! ALL REAL GIRLS! NO BARFINE!"? Or is that too much of a bother and too complicated for the proprietors who expect to draw customers in on this deal to do and, after all, nobody reads manuals and all of that? lol.I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?
I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?I think that is likely, too. But the two girls I interacted with on Monday night were still talking "Pay bar" and "the barfine is 700 baht". So if the owners/managers of Bangkok Bunnies want to place a buffer of protection between them and the law or let's say the new leadership's idea of what is acceptable, they weren't doing a very good job of it on the first night of the effort.
I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?In São Paulo MP you pay the venue for room.
Then you pay the girl in cash.
This way the establishment is clean and not pimping.
In the past you paid room and girl altogether at reception and with credit cards if you wished so.
In philpinnes the "bar fine" includes also the girl rate. The tip t the girl is really a (small) top if you wish so.
In Singapore OT the lady drinks are rewarded to the girls through stamps, in the past they had a sort of chargeable card.
I think that is likely, too. But the two girls I interacted with on Monday night were still talking "Pay bar" and "the barfine is 700 baht". So if the owners/managers of Bangkok Bunnies want to place a buffer of protection between them and the law or let's say the new leadership's idea of what is acceptable, they weren't doing a very good job of it on the first night of the effort.The girls maybe tried their own scam.
Member #4698
07-11-17, 20:17
In philpinnes the "bar fine" includes also the girl rate. The tip t the girl is really a (small) top if you wish so.This may still be true in AC although it is changing rapidly.
But the price structure in Manila is almost exactly the same as it is in BKK Go Go's only the Manila Go Go barfine is so large that it can equal what the girls want for ST. For example, Burgos Bars charge a barfine ranging from 1900 pesos ($38) at Rogues (the cheapest) to 3900 pesos ($77) at Bottoms and no girl can leave the bar until the customer pays the barfine. Now it used to be that the Burgos barfine was 10 lady drinks which meant exactly that ie there were no additional charges on top of the barfine for up to 10 lady drinks. The customer's drinks, however, were and are always fully charged. But since January 2016, the Burgos bars are now charging for lady drinks on top of the barfine unless the customer negotiates directly with a mamasan before anything begins or is a regular at the bar. Usually when the subject is brought up in a friendly way, the mamasan will agree to take subsequent lady drinks off the tab as long as the customer ends up barfining the girl, but if the customer does not pre-negotiate this, then it can be too bad for him. LOL. Burgos girls then expect to be paid for their services after the deed an amount similar to the barfine of their particular establishment. For example, Rogues girls will usually want 2500 pesos ($50) for ST while Kojax and Bottoms girls want 4000 pesos ($79) for ST.
The other Manila Go Go playground is the EDSA Entertainment Complex which is kind of like Nana with the bars all under one roof. EDSA is the same deal as Burgos only with a generally cheaper barfine, but lady drinks are extra. The barfine at Firehouse and Cotton Club for example is 1950 pesos ($38.5) and again it must be paid before the girls are allowed to leave the bar. EDSA girls usually expect 3500 pesos to 4000 pesos for their ST. Services paid to them afterwards in the hotel room.
To summarize: a girl and a night out in Bottoms or Kojax, the two best Go Go's on Burgos Street will run you $157 total (barfine + ST), plus whatever you drink tab comes to. A girl and a night out at the Cotton Club in EDSA will run your $117 (barfine + ST) plus whatever your drink tab & the girl's drink tab comes to. There are no free lady drinks at EDSA that I know of. This is why so many punters head to AC as soon as they arrive in the PI. But I will say this: IMHO Manila girls are far better looking and much more sophisticated (in a very good way) than their AC cousins. The choice is up to the consumer as per always.
So which town do I prefer, BKK or Manila? BKK, but only because there is much more to do when not mongering, more venues to choose from when mongering, it is relatively safer, and the food is much better in BKK. As far as the girls go, it is a close call, I like them both, but Manila girls are just a little bit more fun and they parlez English good. A quick comparison: I think I am on record as being a pretty satisfied regular at Crazy House in BKK since it opened a couple of years ago and I have had some pretty raucus good times INSIDE CH with some of my girls especially later at night on the 2nd floor when everybody has had plenty of Tequila shots. BUT, as wild as those nights have been and I look forward to many more of them, they pale in comparison to the wild nights I have had INSIDE Bottoms Bar in Makati with 3 Filipinas blowing me at the same time. They Pale!
Just wanted to introduce myself. I've been following the European threads for months too get intel so I just registered to start giving back. I have been in Thailand for 15 yrs now. Lived in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui and Koh Tao. I'll try and be active here to add input and answer questions.
Seems Thermae is getting a lot of talk this week so I will add my 2 cents. Last girl I took out of Thermae was about 7 yrs ago. She was really sweet, about a 7-8. Didn't dress / make-up / hair like a lot of them do to attract the Asian men. I thought this was maybe a signal, well it worked for me. Got her home and undressed for shower and BAM! Full Bush! Hadn't seen that much hair down there in ages. Not my style, but a real turn on for a change of pace. I still stop in there sometimes on my walk home from Cowboy. 1 maybe 2 yrs ago I was in there having a beer around midnight, just checking the scene. I western guy was drinking a beer across from me. He stepped over to a 9 sh girl who I thought was going to completely ignore him. They chatted for 1 min tops. The guy leaves the bar. Then I see the same girl going out the back entrance. I knew something was up so I went out front and sure enough the girl comes walking out the Raumchit hotel door and gets into a taxi with him. After telling this story to friends we have concluded that some of the girls might not want to be seen leaving with the farang but are still willing go with them 'in secret'. Maybe they don't want potential Asian clients or even other girls to see them leave with the farang guy. Try it out. Might work for you.
And finally, had a great time with Pat from SW on Soi Cowboy last week. 2.5 k ST 600 BF and 2 LD. 20 yrs old, big naturals. She's been working there for a year and I haven't talked to her. Just goes to show, there are always surprises in Bangkok.
Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?
Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?Just heard it re-opened under a different name. Don't remember what it is. Haven't been by there to see what the scene is like now as I'm out of town.
The girls maybe tried their own scam.Have to wonder if the new policy is to reduce liability for the club owners. No barfine but a higher rate that includes the kickback.
AssLover945
07-12-17, 00:53
Don't shoot the messenger mate. I am simply quoting what I have heard from girls themselves and from mamasans and bartenders and bar owners.
I am fully aware of India's vast population and growing economic prowess, I agree that one should not generalize. But when 7 in 10 start behaving in a certain way, that is exactly what will happen.
P.S. - I am not your Bro.Now where did you get that statistic of 7 out of 10?
Utterly disgusting generalization dude.
Have to wonder if the new policy is to reduce liability for the club owners. No barfine but a higher rate that includes the kickback.Maybe less house pay for the ladies since they are not selling bar fines anymore? And maybe less pressure for them to agree to be taken out just to meet a monthly quota?
Bangkok Bunnies posted on Twitter today that the ladies that were quoting bar fines on Monday night were spoken to (given a final warning.) As of now there are no bar fines to take a lady away, and no drink minimums. I hope their new business model succeeds. IMO the 5 decades old "gogo" business model is dying under its own weight.
SL.
Maybe less house pay for the ladies since they are not selling bar fines anymore? And maybe less pressure for them to agree to be taken out just to meet a monthly quota?
Bangkok Bunnies posted on Twitter today that the ladies that were quoting bar fines on Monday night were spoken to (given a final warning.) As of now there are no bar fines to take a lady away, and no drink minimums. I hope their new business model succeeds. IMO the 5 decades old "gogo" business model is dying under its own weight.
SL.Agreed! It has gotten way to expensive to take a GoGo gal. Most Gogos are not doing well business wise. A select few like CH and Bac are, but the rest are struggling. Take the BF away and 2 k to 2. 5 k is not that bad for ST. I would certainly get back in the game. Bunnies will do well and drink sales will probably go up and way offset what they will lose in BFs. Hopefully all the bars will have to follow suit. And you are right; it could revitalize the industry.
Seems Thermae is getting a lot of talk this week so I will add my 2 cents. Last girl I took out of Thermae was about 7 yrs ago. She was really sweet, about a 7-8. Didn't dress / make-up / hair like a lot of them do to attract the Asian men. I thought this was maybe a signal, well it worked for me. Got her home and undressed for shower and BAM! Full Bush! Hadn't seen that much hair down there in ages. Not my style, but a real turn on for a change of pace. I still stop in there sometimes on my walk home from Cowboy. 1 maybe 2 yrs ago I was in there having a beer around midnight, just checking the scene. I western guy was drinking a beer across from me. He stepped over to a 9 sh girl who I thought was going to completely ignore him. They chatted for 1 min tops. The guy leaves the bar. Then I see the same girl going out the back entrance. I knew something was up so I went out front and sure enough the girl comes walking out the Raumchit hotel door and gets into a taxi with him. After telling this story to friends we have concluded that some of the girls might not want to be seen leaving with the farang but are still willing go with them 'in secret'. Maybe they don't want potential Asian clients or even other girls to see them leave with the farang guy. Try it out. Might work for you.Had a friend who had a similar arrangement with a Tmae gal about that time. She would meet him at the back entrance after he left through the front door. And yes, she did not want the Asian customers or her friends to see her leaving with a white dude. I really miss early '00's Thermae before the Siam City Hotel closed and it became and Asian oriented bar. It really was the best place in BKK. I was there at least 3 nights a week. Took more gals out of there than any other place in SE Asia. Sadly we are the minority in the P4 P scene now and will never be the majority again.
Banana Boi
07-12-17, 03:29
I think we should all support Bangkok bunnies for this effort in changing things. Let's at least go in to get a drink when we're in Bangkok.
I think we should all support Bangkok bunnies for this effort in changing things. Let's at least go in to get a drink when we're in Bangkok.I'll be going there for a drink and ST / LT price check as soon as I get home. First I've heard of this.
Bangkok Bunnies posted on Twitter today that the ladies that were quoting bar fines on Monday night were spoken to (given a final warning)
SL.I am not on Twitter and have not read that tweet about it, but it sounds as though some girls swung into immediate action to try to work a little personal scam into the new deal even on day one ("given a final warning"?)
Proprietors and promoters of these supposed "customer benefits", whether they are rating systems for P4 P girls' services, Happy Hour pricing, this new No Barfine policy or whatever, rarely seem to understand the value of making every customer aware of it by putting it right in their faces isn't just about making the customers aware of it. There will always be customers who don't see the sign, don't bother reading the info, can't read the info, choose to ignore it and all of that. The often more important aspect of putting the info right in the faces of the customers, God and everyone else is to avoid inviting and to instead discourage the girls and staff from playing on the customers' assumed ignorance about the offering in order to game it for their own purposes until it is no longer a customer "benefit" at all but a customer setback and turn off.
On Monday night, I WANTED to support Bangkok Bunnies for this effort to change things in this way by showing up, buying drinks, buying Lady Drinks, taking a lady. On day one. But the proprietors and management dropped the ball and apparently had no idea or didn't care that there would be girls out to scam their customers on their new "customer benefit" offering. Putting a big sign stating the deal right there for all to see, especially for the girls to know that every customer can see it, would have been a blissfully simple solution. But they couldn't be bothered and that was too complicated, I guess. LOL.
Blanquiceleste
07-12-17, 06:42
Now where did you get that statistic of 7 out of 10?
Utterly disgusting generalization dude.7 out of 10 girls I have been with told me this. What do you want now? Their digits? LOL.
Gypsie King
07-12-17, 06:55
Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?Yes it did reopen in March if I remember correctly, but this is not anymore a live band venue, it's a big bar with a lot of pool tables. It appeared very glum and empty every time I passed to take a look.
GK.
I think we should all support Bangkok bunnies for this effort in changing things. Let's at least go in to get a drink when we're in Bangkok.If the prices the girls quote for ST and LT stay the same and other Nana gogo's follow suite this will surely draw more guys to Nana vs Cowboy and Patpong. Pattaya gogo pricing will seem steep in comparison. If the club puts "no barfine charge ever" on each tab that would get it accross much quicker than twitter. Whatever the reason for this decision it sure makes the club stand out.
Agreed! It has gotten way to expensive to take a GoGo gal. Most Gogos are not doing well business wise. A select few like CH and Bac are, but the rest are struggling. Take the BF away and 2 k to 2. 5 k is not that bad for ST. I would certainly get back in the game. Bunnies will do well and drink sales will probably go up and way offset what they will lose in BFs. Hopefully all the bars will have to follow suit. And you are right; it could revitalize the industry.As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.
In saying that I don't mean to make out that I am so rich guy or anything, just that I did my own assessment having recently discovered the wonder of Thailand and concluded that I don't have any issue with the current pricing structure of GoGo bars.
As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.
In saying that I don't mean to make out that I am so rich guy or anything, just that I did my own assessment having recently discovered the wonder of Thailand and concluded that I don't have any issue with the current pricing structure of GoGo bars.Wages in Thailand have not increased that much. How do I know? I live here, have or almost 2 decades, and had a company here. Median salary is more, but not that much more. Cost of living is more, but not that more. Double what it was in '00, certainly. 4 times more. Hardly. What I do believe is that non-P4P jobs now pay enough to keep most gals out of the industry and if they are moonlighting they do it online and not in venues as it is more discreet, preferring local guys to foreigners as well. Gogo prices are unreasonable in not just the number but the services delivered. As the price has increased the level of service has for the most part decreased.
As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.
Good observation if the girls were all nuns and saved every penny they made. But the truth is many are drug addicts, spend their money faster than they make it, get busted by the police on the way to meet their clients at night and must pay a bribe, give out their hard earned cash to friends who are in need (with the thinking that what goes around comes around) and many other spending habits that result in them having little money left to pay rent. I was told high season wasn't very good to the girls and many are living day to day with a harsh slow season. Money is money, nobody with money will be blacklisted anywhere in Thailand.
Goatscrot is correct, online is the new business model. Smooci dot com is one of them, I know line, whatsapp and skout are also popular apps. But be warned, these girls take thousands of selfies and know how to make themselves look good. My buddy met his girl and she tried to get him to do a threesome with her friend. The friend was butt ugly, couldn't get a guy until she managed to snag one online.
Robert Long
07-12-17, 18:23
Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?Bangkok Beat 7/1 Soi is now an eating establishment. And yes it has pool tables and a bar. But not many customers. The Beat was always packed and had to be a money maker. Why they closed and renovated into a restaurant is crazy. I thought they had the best music and bands in Bkk.
RL.
As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quitSo much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:
US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?
The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.
The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.
I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.
SL.
Is there another bar similar to Bangkok Beat around the Soi7/1 area?
I had some great nights in there, without breaking the bank as well, when I was going to the toilet once a girl stopped me with the "Remember Me?
She actually did, giving me the details where I was staying before etc. That was it, I was toast.
I like the freelancer / live music bars, just reminded me there was Country Road down the tunnel and once again I had some good times at Country Road, Soi Cowboy.
So much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:
US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?
The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.
The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.
I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.
SL.Yes down about 75% to thai people. 15 years ago 100 USD bought a lot more overseas than or does now. Thailand does not have static wages. People won't work for peanuts like in the USA.
Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k, more than meant Americans earn ! Asia is growing the tide is turning.
Yes down about 75% to thai people. 15 years ago 100 USD bought a lot more overseas than or does now. Thailand does not have static wages. People won't work for peanuts like in the USA.
Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k, more than meant Americans earn ! Asia is growing the tide is turning.There are very few Thai people earning 120 k. One look at any site on salaries will tell you that. Yes, average starting wage is not longer 8 k, but Thais still hit a ceiling very quickly. Average salaries for in the US are higher. And people will work for peanuts here compared to the US. Driving factor in Bangkok is not labor cost; it's commercial rents, which are completely out of control especially when compared to residential rents. But, yes you are correct about the dollar, and it is more expensive for Americans, but that has little to do with salaries and more to do with the weakness of the dollar which was 40+ when I moved over. As stated before, it is double the cost to live here in comparison to 20 years ago. If the Baht was still over 40, then that multiple would be less.
So much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:
US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?
The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.
The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.
I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.
SL.Spot on. Accurate assessment of the situation here.
There are very few Thai people earning 120 k. One look at any site on salaries will tell you that. Yes, average starting wage is not longer 8 k, but Thais still hit a ceiling very quickly. Average salaries for in the US are higher. And people will work for peanuts here compared to the US. Driving factor in Bangkok is not labor cost; it's commercial rents, which are completely out of control especially when compared to residential rents. But, yes you are correct about the dollar, and it is more expensive for Americans, but that has little to do with salaries and more to do with the weakness of the dollar which was 40+ when I moved over. As stated before, it is double the cost to live here in comparison to 20 years ago. If the Baht was still over 40, then that multiple would be less.Girls don't fuck dirty old men to earn a wage they could get working as a cashier. No offense but can this forum seriously not grasp the concept of opportunity cosy and compound interest? Thai wages on average increased by 5. 8% a year which means rates for girls need to go up by be atleast that much or girls will start to do something else as being a hooker seems less and less attractive. That is why you only see ugly dogs on soi 6. All I'm saying is the rates in gogo for the hot young ones are not unreasonable given the costs in thailand.
UltraHappy
07-13-17, 04:06
GAll I'm saying is the rates in gogo for the hot young ones are not unreasonable given the costs in thailand.3500 baht (including bar fine) for ST doesn't sound all that reasonable for a Thai girl to me given that I can have a hot European chick with amazing service for only 100 Euros for ST in Germany (or for just 50 Euros for half hour if I want to merely audition the girl). Granted LT is a different story, but for ST, it just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all that Thai girls are charging almost as much as Western girls in the P4 P capital of Europe. I mean, it used to be that Thai girls were way cheaper than Western girls for ST, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least as far as the hotter gogo girls are concerned.
Banana Boi
07-13-17, 04:40
Depends on your tastes. Imo talent in FKK land was very weak for my 2 week trip there in May. I'll take one of my top gogo girls, some of which are half euro half Thai, over the girls I saw in Germany recently. Germany is not the same as it was 4 or 5 years ago. Lots of average girls. You're also assuming st with a gogo girl is 1 hour which it definitely isn't if you are fun to hang out with.
Franciscass
07-13-17, 04:47
The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.
I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.
SL.The minimum wage is 300 baht not the average wage. In reality the 300 baht minimum operates outside Bangkok, within the city it is closer to 400, still incredible low.
On average a masseuse not delivering special service clocking up 80 to 100 hours can expect with tips around 15000 a month. With specials depending on her own popularity and the popularity of the shop her earnings will be 25000 up. Some so called star performers are in the 100,000 plus league.
On what you pay for service here and whether it is good value and competitive with other countries in my opinion yes it is. That said if you use go go's or Hi end clubs to find your partner you are paying way more than you have to but even at 3500 for a good looking young go go girl who delivers on service that's still not outrageously expensive and no I am not an economist. Hope your headache is better.
3500 baht (including bar fine) for ST doesn't sound all that reasonable for a Thai girl to me given that I can have a hot European chick with amazing service for only 100 Euros for ST in Germany (or for just 50 Euros for half hour if I want to merely audition the girl). Granted LT is a different story, but for ST, it just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all that Thai girls are charging almost as much as Western girls in the P4 P capital of Europe. I mean, it used to be that Thai girls were way cheaper than Western girls for ST, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least as far as the hotter gogo girls are concerned.Well I'm not racist so all that matters to me in market rates; not race.
ST is about 2 hours and includes CIM. On my last trip the FKK clubs were "meh". Thai girls are softer, sweeter and give better service and are more girl next door types. Like how Samya used to be but better.
Try getting BBBJ CIM 2 hour OUTCALL off a western girl for under $100.
I'll enjoy my thai princesses at market rates thanks very much and they are little sweet hearts; my heart melts.
If you think you can get equally attractive ladies cheaper; please tell what what platform? Was not impressed with smooci.
Girls don't fuck dirty old men to earn a wage they could get working as a cashier. No offense but can this forum seriously not grasp the concept of opportunity cosy and compound interest? Thai wages on average increased by 5. 8% a year which means rates for girls need to go up by be atleast that much or girls will start to do something else as being a hooker seems less and less attractive. That is why you only see ugly dogs on soi 6. All I'm saying is the rates in gogo for the hot young ones are not unreasonable given the costs in thailand.And as was pointed out to you cashiers are making about 300-500 Baht a day. That's it. For an eight hour plus shift. In 2008 the average wage in BKK was a little over 8 k. Now it is about 13.5 k and had fallen a bit recently. It has doubled since 2001 when the average wage was a little over 6 k. So yes, a GoGo gal who gets 3500 Baht a pop is making way above what most Thai MBAs make presently, so the cashier reference just does not hold water. Even at 2000 Baht a pop they are making out like bandits for very little time and effort. Sorry, they are not going to go work as a cashier for 500 Baht a day. Prices for P4 P in Thailand are way out of whack when you look at what folks earn. Sorry, but that is the truth. Compare with places like Travel in Jakarta where ST is the equivalent of 1 k Baht and attitudes are far better. Mainly due to fishing in the same pond as demanding locals. Here the "market" is determined mainly by two week millionaires not residents. Especially in the GoGos. Cowboy used to be an expat haunt. Not anymore. Now, it's Disneyland, with Disneyland prices and all that goes along with it. So no, it has very little to do with the local economy. If you will notice prices at Soapies, which cater to a lot of locals, has not changed much at all in the last 15 years. There you have your answer.
Robert Long
07-13-17, 06:58
And as was pointed out to you cashiers are making about 300-500 Baht a day. That's it. For an eight hour plus shift. In 2008 the average wage in BKK was a little over 8 k. Now it is about 13.5 k and had fallen a bit recently. It has doubled since 2001 when the average wage was a little over 6 k. So yes, a GoGo gal who gets 3500 Baht a pop is making way above what most Thai MBAs make presently, so the cashier reference just does not hold water. Even at 2000 Baht a pop they are making out like bandits for very little time and effort. Sorry, they are not going to go work as a cashier for 500 Baht a day. Prices for P4 P in Thailand are way out of whack when you look at what folks earn. Sorry, but that is the truth. Compare with places like Travel in Jakarta where ST is the equivalent of 1 k Baht and attitudes are far better. Mainly due to fishing in the same pond as demanding locals. Here the "market" is determined mainly by two week millionaires not residents. Especially in the GoGos. Cowboy used to be an expat haunt. Not anymore. Now, it's Disneyland, with Disneyland prices and all that goes along with it. So no, it has very little to do with the local economy. If you will notice prices at Soapies, which cater to a lot of locals, has not changed much at all in the last 15 years. There you have your answer.My Girlfriend works for the Thai government and makes 70,000 a month. $69.00 a day which is not bad. But she has her masters and is a government officer. Makes all the difference.
RL.
My Girlfriend works for the Thai government and makes 70,000 a month. $69.00 a day which is not bad. But she has her masters and is a government officer. Makes all the difference.
RL.Which is more than a lot of Americans make.
I guess I just see the girls as fellow humans rather than slaves. Sure; I will treat them like a piece of meat in the bedroom but after that I have nothing but respect and would hate to see them make only 1. 5 k for a night of getting fucked hard by an ugly old man.
Yes down about 75% to thai people. 15 years ago 100 USD bought a lot more overseas than or does now. Thailand does not have static wages. People won't work for peanuts like in the USA.
Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k, more than meant Americans earn ! Asia is growing the tide is turning.Thailand is a developing nation, prices are rising faster than inflation for services (wages). Meaning, prices of everything is always rising due to inflation, in every country. But in Thailand, wages are rising outside of inflation alone, as they are developing into a more robust economy, and away from simple slavery style work (farming, sewing, manual product assembly). If you want good dollar value, I have heard that Laos girls do FS for about as low as $5/ hour. I am being serious. There are cheaper areas, but Thailand is a developing nation. Third world prices are history, just as their poverty status is history. You want third world pricing, don't come to Thailand. It's only getting more expensive. Also, as the rest of Asia and other markets develop, that means more tourists with money who are not Americans / etc. That already has an obvious effect on prices. And with the female shortage in China, combined with their rising middle class, I wouldn't look toward Thailand as a place to secure cheap pussy well into the next 1-2 decades.
Is there another bar similar to Bangkok Beat around the Soi7/1 area?
I had some great nights in there, without breaking the bank as well, when I was going to the toilet once a girl stopped me with the "Remember Me?
She actually did, giving me the details where I was staying before etc. That was it, I was toast.
I like the freelancer / live music bars, just reminded me there was Country Road down the tunnel and once again I had some good times at Country Road, Soi Cowboy.Not familiar with Bangkok Beat, but I stopped in the Beer Garden Bar, which was pretty crowded with older freelancers. Similar set up as the Pattaya Beer Garden. Seemed like a good set up and far enough removed from Nana Plaza.
Which is more than a lot of Americans make.
I guess I just see the girls as fellow humans rather than slaves. Sure; I will treat them like a piece of meat in the bedroom but after that I have nothing but respect and would hate to see them make only 1. 5 k for a night of getting fucked hard by an ugly old man.I would say that most Americans make more than 69 USD per day. Even 120 K Baht a month would not go far in most US cities that were desirable to live in. Might do ok in Tulsa or Birmingham, but any coastal city or even Austin or Denver? Forget it.
And personally I don't ever treat them like a piece of meat. All night? Sure that is worth more than 1. 5 K, but for a ST that is probably going to be way less than an hour, if the gal has any say, it's a pretty good rate of pay.
Thailand is a developing nation, prices are rising faster than inflation for services (wages). Meaning, prices of everything is always rising due to inflation, in every country. But in Thailand, wages are rising outside of inflation alone, as they are developing into a more robust economy, and away from simple slavery style work (farming, sewing, manual product assembly). If you want good dollar value, I have heard that Laos girls do FS for about as low as $5/ hour. I am being serious. There are cheaper areas, but Thailand is a developing nation. Third world prices are history, just as their poverty status is history. You want third world pricing, don't come to Thailand. It's only getting more expensive. Also, as the rest of Asia and other markets develop, that means more tourists with money who are not Americans / etc. That already has an obvious effect on prices. And with the female shortage in China, combined with their rising middle class, I wouldn't look toward Thailand as a place to secure cheap pussy well into the next 1-2 decades.I agree that Western tourists are less and less important and fewer in number. That goes for P4 P as well and will continue to be the trend. Hope the mainlanders don't start into the P4P scene here, but I am afraid they will. As far as prices and development here; that's all up in the air at the moment. It's one step forward and two steps back. Other nations in the region are viewed as more stable and some are becoming more and more friendly to foreign business and investment. And educational systems in places like Vietnam are improving rapidly. Vietnam now has the 12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet. They also have a larger population than Thailand and seem to be very serious about improving infrastructure. If Thailand is going to stay ahead in the region it needs to get it back in gear. Check out the growth rates here compared to other SE Asian nations. Not looking so hot at the moment.
I would say that most Americans make more than 69 USD per day. Even 120 K Baht a month would not go far in most US cities that were desirable to live in. Might do ok in Tulsa or Birmingham, but any coastal city or even Austin or Denver? Forget it.
And personally I don't ever treat them like a piece of meat. All night? Sure that is worth more than 1. 5 K, but for a ST that is probably going to be way less than an hour, if the gal has any say, it's a pretty good rate of pay.
Sorry but you're way off, Asia has developed and the USA has declined, the gap is not as big as you think. Thailand is not cheap.
Gannaton48
07-13-17, 15:50
Not familiar with Bangkok Beat, but I stopped in the Beer Garden Bar, which was pretty crowded with older freelancers. Similar set up as the Pattaya Beer Garden. Seemed like a good set up and far enough removed from Nana Plaza.Happy to ehar that, I am also a friend of Soi7 beergarden (it was repeatedly said it was closed): ladies may not be the youngest but they know their job, in sharp contrast to the young sexy girls in gogos. I you like good service, usually GFE, that's the place. And being frank (I am a european), even ladies aged 35-40 are still lokking better than most caucasian ones of same age.
UltraHappy
07-13-17, 16:05
Depends on your tastes. I'll take one of my top gogo girls, some of which are half euro half Thai. You're also assuming ST with a gogo girl is 1 hour which it definitely isn't if you are fun to hang out with.
ST is about 2 hours and includes CIM.
Try getting BBBJ CIM 2 hour OUTCALL off a western girl for under $100.
Many thanks for the clarifications guys! Your feedback is helping me pull the trigger to a Thailand trip later this year.
I'm really happy to hear that ST is really closer to 2 hours. That really changes my math and makes my decision so much easier. From reading lots of posts in the Thailand forums, I somehow got the impression that it was commonplace for girls to bolt after the first pop in ST to try to get back to the club as quickly as possible to make their next ST. But from what you guys are saying, this bolting after the first pop appears to be the exception and not the norm.
Thanks!
Happy to ehar that, I am also a friend of Soi7 beergarden (it was repeatedly said it was closed): ladies may not be the youngest but they know their job, in sharp contrast to the young sexy girls in gogos. I you like good service, usually GFE, that's the place. And being frank (I am a european), even ladies aged 35-40 are still lokking better than most caucasian ones of same age.That's a understatement the last sentence. You esp. Notice when you see some of the European GF's / wives / tourists walking around in Thailand. Shocking the difference.
I am back in Thai in 3 weeks and I am going to try your theory of 'older' woman. Last time (1st time) I literally only picked new farm girls as I thought with my age it would be better to relate or so (sometimes you aren't clear thinking there with the heat and all) but the sex was def. Way off a good level. Yes they were fun to hang out with but very average on the other level with all the shyness it involves and all. I'll be back in a few with my findings.
Banana Boi
07-13-17, 18:55
UH, just to clarify my gogo experience is in pattaya, not Bangkok. I'm saying my personal experience so not sure what the norm is. If you are nice to the girl, have the ability to entertain them, dress nice, stay in a decent hotel, and most importantly not come across as a cheap Charlie I doubt girls will bolt after an hour. On the contrary they will be begging you to repeat with them.
HorneeFalang
07-14-17, 01:47
My Girlfriend works for the Thai government and makes 70,000 a month. $69.00 a day which is not bad. But she has her masters and is a government officer. Makes all the difference.
RL.70,000 THB is outstanding money for Thailand. I am currently paying people to work in my field 300 THB a day (lunch and water supplied). Bending over planting rice in the heat and humidity and working the land for 8-9 Hours a Day,6 days a week. 7,200 THB a month, however this work is not ongoing. They are very happy for the work and the amount they get. Mongers on here banging on about how Thailand is a robust economy and you need 120,000 THB a month to live comfortably? Quite frankly Sirs you have your heads up your asses.
Stickboy Bangkok reports today that Bangkok Bunnies go-go bar's No Barfine policy experiment is over. The owner has called it off after only three days. Apparently, the communication effort about what exactly was the deal was so poor, improvised scams by the staff and girls were rampant. They made up stuff like "Must buy three Lady Drinks first". And we already know some were not informing customers about the No Barfine policy at all in order to steal 700 baht from the customer before the ST / LT take out even began. Also, asshole customers, the few who had heard about the deal on the 'net, were ordering one bottle of water and taking out three girls! LOL. Big surprise.
My guess is the legacy of this will be that this kind of concept failed and is a bad idea, never try it again, instead of what it ought to be; there were ways to make it work but the idea wasn't well thought out to begin with and the owner's efforts at communication about it sucked.
My advice; be clean, keep fit, invest in after-shave and wear a nice shirt. Have a fresh haircut and don't be shy. Be very polite before the session starts. Dominate the girl as much as possible once it begins. Agree to two hours before and if she tries to leave early talk to her firmly like you would any other employee. Discuss everything you want in advanced; specify you want 2 hours out of ST including pillow talk after or just pay for LT 5 k.
Stickboy Bangkok reports today that Bangkok Bunnies go-go bar's No Barfine policy experiment is over. The owner has called it off after only three days. Apparently, the communication effort about what exactly was the deal was so poor, improvised scams by the staff and girls were rampant. They made up stuff like "Must buy three Lady Drinks first". And we already know some were not informing customers about the No Barfine policy at all in order to steal 700 baht from the customer before the ST / LT take out even began. Also, asshole customers, the few who had heard about the deal on the 'net, were ordering one bottle of water and taking out three girls! LOL. Big surprise.
My guess is the legacy of this will be that this kind of concept failed and is a bad idea, never try it again, instead of what it ought to be; there were ways to make it work but the idea wasn't well thought out to begin with and the owner's efforts at communication about it sucked.Shame really. Great idea, but you are spot on; it probably was not well planned and all involved did not understand what was going on.
Sorry but you're way off, Asia has developed and the USA has declined, the gap is not as big as you think. Thailand is not cheap.Thailand is not as cheap as it used to be, but it is still cheaper than the US. A nice 2-2 in Dallas will run you over 2 K USD. 65 K Baht here gets you a rock star pad. Don't have to own a car in BKK. A 2 K USD motorbike will get you around just fine. 100 Baht in petrol a week and cost you about 30 bucks to ensure and register it per year. Health insurance is way cheaper. Food is cheaper, especially if you shop in the markets. Going out to eat in the US is very expensive now. Maid in Thailand; very cheap. In country air tickets and hotels; again very cheap. I'm not off at all sir. Now, if you want to argue about what people make vs the cost of living the US; people in the US make more, quite a bit more. Craft beer, good alcohol, western foods in the supermarket? More expensive in Thailand.
Shame really. Great idea, but you are spot on; it probably was not well planned and all involved did not understand what was going on.As Stickboy pointed out in his report, the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks first" ideas actually have merit. Even the improvised scams by the staff and girls were better thought out than what the owner of the bar came up with. LOL.
Banana Boi
07-14-17, 02:25
A better concept is make barfine 1000 baht or whatever amount. If a customer orders 1000 baht in lady drinks then barfine is zero. If they order 600 baht lady drinks barfine is 400 baht.
A better concept is make barfine 1000 baht or whatever amount. If a customer orders 1000 baht in lady drinks then barfine is zero. If they order 600 baht lady drinks barfine is 400 baht.From a logical viewpoint, that is not bad. But from a practical viewpoint, I can see nothing but endless discussions shouted in a loud go-go bar among customer, server and girl over how the math of that works out, whether his multiple drinks count in the calculation or not, more improvised scam attempts in the mix by everyone customer included, very difficult to explain it in a few words if anyone even tried to put it on a sign and all of that. Many language challenged guys will only get that the barfine for this girl was only 400 baht yesterday, why is it 700 baht today? and needing it to be explained to him for the umpteenth time and on and on. But the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks and the Barfine is free" type of idea is cleaner and clearer, imo.
I mean, they can just collect the 700-1000 baht, call it a barine and not bother serving the Lady Drinks at all or only one of them if that is agreeable to the girl and customer who want to just move on and not sit and drink any longer, of course. But the incremental calculation idea is a bit too cumbersome, imo.
Then again, even with the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks..." idea, there will be tons of times when the guy will buy a girl 2 Lady Drinks, she will excuse herself to "go toilet" and never return. Or show up 3 minutes later sitting on the other side of the bar with another customer...that's when the real fun begins. lol.
Thailand is not as cheap as it used to be, but it is still cheaper than the US. A nice 2-2 in Dallas will run you over 2 K USD. 65 K Baht here gets you a rock star pad. Don't have to own a car in BKK. A 2 K USD motorbike will get you around just fine. 100 Baht in petrol a week and cost you about 30 bucks to ensure and register it per year. Health insurance is way cheaper. Food is cheaper, especially if you shop in the markets. Going out to eat in the US is very expensive now. Maid in Thailand; very cheap. In country air tickets and hotels; again very cheap. I'm not off at all sir. Now, if you want to argue about what people make vs the cost of living the US; people in the US make more, quite a bit more. Craft beer, good alcohol, western foods in the supermarket? More expensive in Thailand.Which is why your 40 USD means fuck all to these people who are often earning close to USA wages with 1/4 the cost of living. How is that so hard to understand? You don't get worshipped in Thailand for being white now. The low quality of life in the US is a different issue.
The USA has brutally oppressed workers for the last 3 decades; Thailand has not. They can earn comparable to the USA wages with 1/4 the cost of living. The USA is a country of losers now. A real joke. Thailand is not. They are winners who have massively improved their lot.
They want real money for their services. People in thailand with access to high wages don't give a fuck what some fat American thinks they deserve based on the USA idea that workers should be content being little more than serf.
The USA has fucked up ideas. I have no doubt that US citizens find the idea of a worker having a good quality of life to be strange and outrageous.
My point is girls don't strip down to their undies and work in gogo bars to be part of thailands underclass so you gotta pay em. The uglies will work for less as it's all they can get. That's why so many bars are more full of old ugly women when apparently 15 years ago they weren't.
You are comparing what you think a thai hooker should get to the cost of living based on the quality of life you think they deserve. What you should be comparing it to is what the market dictates for their services. Not surprising because wages in the USA haven't moved in 20 years. The result ous yes; Thai gogo girls earn a lot and can buy heaps of shit. I hope they enjoy.
Crocodilexp
07-14-17, 03:54
Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k.
They (Thais) can earn comparable to the USA wages with 1/4 the cost of living. You are completely delusional when it comes to what Thais earn.
Average wage in Thailand for 2017 is about 13,500 baht (see tradingeconomics.com). Income inequality is high, so the median is substantially lower. I couldn't find the exact statistic, but it's safe to assume most Thais live on less than 12,000 baht per month. That's $350 per month, not quite peanuts like in the early 2000's, but in no way comparable to US wages.
Even solid, middle-class professionals still get paid 3-4 times less than their USA Or European counterparts. The number of Thais making 120 k baht per month or more is minuscule, I'd be surprised if it was more than 1%.
You are right, however, that America is screwing the working class and that real wages did not rise in a long time, but that's a different issue for a different forum.
When it comes to mongering, the only relevance of this is that most Thai wages are livable (though still not comfortable) these days. Long gone are the days of lower-middle class girls (students or having office jobs) occasionally freelancing on Sukhumvit to make the rent. All we're left with now is the underclass dregs which are too stupid, too lazy, or too greedy to do work other than prostitution.
There are some lower-middle-class girls engaging in prostitution from the comfort of their mobile phones, but that scene requires too much effort on the part of the punter. If you can still get a regular girl (that is, are under 60), you're better off spending the energy online chasing them, rather than going though a similar online hassle, and then paying for it, all for 20 minutes of pumping.
You are completely delusional when it comes to what Thais earn.
Average wage in Thailand for 2017 is about 13,500 baht (see tradingeconomics.com). Income inequality is high, so the median is substantially lower. I couldn't find the exact statistic, but it's safe to assume most Thais live on less than 12,000 baht per month. That's $350 per month, not quite peanuts like in the early 2000's, but in no way comparable to US wages.
Even solid, middle-class professionals still get paid 3-4 times less than their USA Or European counterparts. The number of Thais making 120 k baht per month or more is minuscule, I'd be surprised if it was more than 1%.
You are right, however, that America is screwing the working class and that real wages did not rise in a long time, but that's a different issue for a different forum.
When it comes to mongering, the only relevance of this is that most Thai wages are livable (though still not comfortable) these days. Long gone are the days of lower-middle class girls (students or having office jobs) occasionally freelancing on Sukhumvit to make the rent. All we're left with now is the underclass dregs which are too stupid, too lazy, or too greedy to do work other than prostitution.
There are some lower-middle-class girls engaging in prostitution from the comfort of their mobile phones, but that scene requires too much effort on the part of the punter. If you can still get a regular girl (that is, are under 60), you're better off spending the energy online chasing them, rather than going though a similar online hassle, and then paying for it, all for 20 minutes of pumping.The point is thai wages have increased almost 3 fold since 2001 which is the reason for 5 k LT when it used to be 1. 5 k back in 01.
Regardless thailand still has an amazing offering as far as I am concerned. The main problem for me is Koreans taking all the hot girls.
Income inequality in the USA is also high but most Americans are too fucking stupid to know that. And it dies matter because of the USA wages had increased at the same rate as thai then 5000 BAHT would be seen as cheap.
Dominate the girl as much as possible once it begins. Agree to two hours before and if she tries to leave early talk to her firmly like you would any other employee. Discuss everything you want in advanced; specify you want 2 hours out of ST including pillow talk after or just pay for LT 5 k.After being dominated and talked to like an employee, the girl can't help but to have some outstanding- scintillating- pillow talk for your predilection. Way to go!
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