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Paris Montana
04-08-18, 11:29
Thanks again for all your contributions and letting me be part of this forum.
I have a tendency to never pull the trigger on a girl, always waiting and passing up great opportunities because "lets see what's at the next place". I am not saying take the first option you can see, but this method has never served me well. If you are like me, take something nice at like 10 pm Short term, then you can always have midnight-close to chase your unicorn without blue balls.
After the bars close-.
I've watched the Sukhumvit stretch between Nana and Cowboy many many times at like 2 am – 4 am. I've never seen anything nice. Its fat Africans and ladyboys. One time I saw two girls get their fortune read by some grandma on the street, and I did the same. I bought the girls food, but had no intention of anything else- That is the closest I've seen and if I didn't take them (despite their urging) at 4 am while I was desperate, that can explain the quality available.
A taxi driver took me to one bar, but I don't know remember the name / location. Maybe the description will help. It was around 4 am. It's a big room with small tables and a bar to one side, a pool table on the other. The biggest attraction is a very large you shape couch with maybe 15 girls sitting on it. They are facing you (like a fish bowl but with no glass). You can choose them- Quality seemed okay, but I was more interested in making friends with random peeps and drinking / pool. Don't remember the prices. Don't wait till late! Bangkok is not like other cities, sex becomes much harder when the entertainment zones close (though available).
However, there are after hour clubs.
Lets start with MIXX-.
MIXX is in the intercontinental hotel. If you are close by, don't pay for a cab / tuk tuk- tell the driver "Free ride, right?" They get commission. Forget the entrance, probably about 400 baht with a free beer / drink. There are two parts, one with a long bar (s) and dance floor, the other has a DJ with two bars and is a smoking area with a lot of tables. I remember drink prices being not that cheap, maybe 200-300 a beer. People say that all the girls here are working girls, though I see a lot of Thai girls in groups with guys dancing. A plus- there are a few Russian / CIS girls here. Now, please note- this is not BRIXX in Singapore or a nice place in Dubai. The Russian girls here are like 5-6's, with an occasional 7-8. I spoke to two girls in that 7 range, one said she was polish and the other was "Russian" (probably Central Asian). Both girls wanted 10 k which I may have paid but both got disinterested when I started to get into details like 'how long will you stay' and 'is DFK okay'. It was more like "You like me, you pay me, we go. Why ask questions". Yeah. That means I will probably get burned.
I think this club closed down at 3 am- after which means everyone went outside to the entrance and there were some last minute negotiations. I went to two other places, which I believe to be Climax club and Insanity club. Here, I saw almost exclusively Thai girls (any Russian / CIS were like super old and worn out, like 50's – 60's), its super loud, super dark, and not sure if I really like it. I had a few conversations with some girls, all who wanted between 4-5 k for the night. Wasn't really feeling any of them though. In these clubs, in my experience, you have to approach the girls. Girls are not approaching you unless maybe you are standing next to them at the bar and smile.
People talk about Soi 3 (Sukhumvit) and Grace hotel if you are looking for CIS or Arab girls. I walked Soi 3 multiple times but did not see anything I would count as a "working girl" from those races. Shit ton of Arabs / South Asians though (restaurants reflect this). However, I did discover the "Royal Garden Home Hotel". Its on Soi 3, a little past the Pakistan Embassy if you walk past the Pakistan embassy on your left (away from Nana), it will also be on your left. I went in, was greeted by a local guy who took me up to the second / third floor. Here, you have about 12 small hotel rooms, each one with a CIS girl in it. He takes you by each one, you get a look and maybe say Hello, and then you make your choice. He wanted 3,500- but I told him that my friend s aid 3,000. He said okay.
The girls range from youngish (late 20's) to older (early 40's) Most of them are Central Asian, though some look straight Slavic. I took the first one, a girl with a lip piercing. Small youthful tips, short hair (middle of the neck) and a very small belly. Room was okay, it seems this where the girls actually live. I had a shower, she had one, and we got to business.
Usually in situations like this, I like to give the girl a tip upfront (1 k) and warm things up by a massage. She accepted the tip without any words and then laughed when I tried to give her a massage. "Don't be nervous" she said, then popped on a condom and started an okay BJ for 30 seconds before doing the whole 'spread legs, go for it'. We actually had a decent time and I think I would have a better time as a regular customer. Oh, some of these women I saw were very smiley and friendly. I'the check this place out again.
Paris Montana
04-08-18, 11:30
Hi,
Hopefully my experiences in Part 1 of 2 were either insightful for newbies or entertaining. Please feel free to refute, update or clarify as I may have screwed up on names of places, etc.
I've read the forum, but have a few questions I'd be grateful if anyone takes the time. Hopefully these questions have not been asked in a while so no RTFFs.
1. I am going to BKK again next weekend, with a friend and his wife. She is kind of adventurous, not a prude, but not crazy either. She wants to go to a "lady show". Where should I take her? I saw many couples in Billboard, but its not really a show. Angelwitch would have been my answer but the girls were pretty bad and lackluster last time (like 3's). I remember in 2010, seeing some really cool shit and costumes and pseudo lesbian stuff, but it was nothing like that in 2017.
2. As you can probably tell in my previous post, I do like myself the Russian / CIS type. I gave my experiences on where to find them, does anyone have any other bars or clubs for freelancers? Someone mentioned Shock39, how is that place? (Please don't hate, I go to BKK because my work has me in South / South East Asia and I can go easily for a weekend. Otherwise, I'the be in Kiev).
Eurasians – I also love half Asian Thais (as you can probably tell from my first post). Any place I can find escort agencies, freelance bars, or clubs where these type of girls congregate?
3. I thank the forum for a lot of information on massage / soapies. However, I have this weird thing where I like to go to "normal" massage places and see if a HJ / BJ is offered. That feeling when you are uncertain and then she starts suggestively rubbing is super hot. Is there an area that has a lot of legit places (where normal tourists would go in) but is not staffed by total trolls? I can imagine a response like "yeah, that area is called Bangkok" but I've walked around a lot in Sukhumvit and Patpong and usually only see obvious places (that cost more than a bar girl) or just straight big old ladies. I'm not looking for stunners, but something that doesn't disgust.
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.
Cheers!
And what if the guy she is with doesn't speak English that well and has no idea what quick discussion you and his girl are having right in front of him?
You've taken the discussion to an extreme level and introduced the classic straw man argument. No one said that they should be able to stop and converse with the WG when she is with another customer. The debate was about whether it is appropriate to acknowledge her with "hello." How you leap to cock blocking, wonderful chemistry, banging her in the ass and rim job from saying hello is called reaching.
Gladiator69
04-08-18, 14:55
I totally disagree with that. I think it's completely inappropriate to say hello to any working girl when they are already with another guy outside their place of work. It's also inappropriate for them to say hello to you when you are with another girl.Well said.
Gladiator69
04-08-18, 14:58
Viagra is very easy to buy in Bangkok and they don't require a prescription. Pretty much every pharmacy you walk by will have it. I buy the generic since it's way cheaper and still works fine for me. I've stayed on soi 22 many times, as you walk towards Sukhumvit, there is definitely a pharmacy there that has it.
Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 will give you the Sidegra at the MSRP price. Charoen is convenient because it is close to Nana Plaza.Thanks, bros!
You've taken the discussion to an extreme level and introduced the classic straw man argument. No one said that they should be able to stop and converse with the WG when she is with another customer. The debate was about whether it is appropriate to acknowledge her with "hello." How you leap to cock blocking, wonderful chemistry, banging her in the ass and rim job from saying hello is called reaching.Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."
Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?
And there is much more to it than that. For example, you have no idea how your old flame is going to react to your simple, "hello", right? Or what her potential customer's reaction might be. What if she reacts so positively and happily to your winning smile, irresistible charm and dashing good looks at the instant of that "hello" it is clear that was exactly the opening she was hoping for because she would rather be with you than this new guy right now? Dumb, right? Yeah, sometimes P4P girls and bargirls do dumb things. Even stone cold sober ones. And the customer she is with might decide right there on the spot he will not be buying her another Ladydrink or barfining her. Ever. Or cancel if they are already on their way to his room.
Do you know what your unsolicited "hello" just accomplished then? You just took income away from her as efficiently as if you had opened her purse, removed 2000-3000 baht, tore up those bills into 4 pieces and flushed them down the toilet.
Or are you prepared to replace any missed income for every P4P girl you absolutely can't help yourself from saying "hello" to whenever you see her working a customer or a customer working her?
Hi Breadman. I can see that your post is going to generate some discussion, which is fine. (did I call it right? LOL)
But what prompted you to post this comment? Is there a story here somewhere? TTG.Hi Breadman. I remain curious about why you posted this comment. Did you encounter a WG from the night / week / month / year before at a bar? An elevator stop?
Dive in here!
Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."
Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?
And there is much more to it than that. For example, you have no idea how your old flame is going to react to your simple, "hello", right? Or what her potential customer's reaction might be. What if she reacts so positively and happily to your winning smile, irresistible charm and dashing good looks at the instant of that "hello" it is clear that was exactly the opening she was hoping for because she would rather be with you than this new guy right now? Dumb, right? Yeah, sometimes P4P girls and bargirls do dumb things. Even stone cold sober ones. And the customer she is with might decide right there on the spot he will not be buying her another Ladydrink or barfining her. Ever. Or cancel if they are already on their way to his room.
Do you know what your unsolicited "hello" just accomplished then? You just took income away from her as efficiently as if you had opened her purse, removed 2000-3000 baht, tore up those bills into 4 pieces and flushed them down the toilet.
Or are you prepared to replace any missed income for every P4P girl you absolutely can't help yourself from saying "hello" to whenever you see her working a customer or a customer working her?Wow, now someone who says hello is a interloper? Your paranoia is unpalatable and again introducing facts not in evidence with the smile, irresistible charm, "old flame" and taking income away bit which translates into such doom and gloom. Hard to have a discussion with someone who changes and introduces facts not in the equation.
You have no way of knowing if a harmless greeting will lead down the path of despair you've laid out. You're making a conclusion based on assumptions and the difference between an unsolicited and solicited hello is quite perplexing too. I will disappoint you and tell you that nothing you've written has moved me and I stand my assertion that a simple hello under the initial circumstances laid out below is appropriate. So I will use it or acknowledge the WG if she uses it towards me first regardless of who she is with because I have no ulterior motive when I say hello and that is a fact.
Jimmy Boy 99
04-08-18, 17:52
RunMann wants to impose his concept of politeness whether or not it is appropriate, and whether or not is it wanted by the girl. He seems to think that because he paid to fuck a girl, she considers him a friend and wants to acknowledge they have / had a relationship. This is highly unlikely, as she has nothing to gain by this, since he was just another customer, and, outside of the specific environment where they met, it would be prejudicial to her reputation for him, as a non-Thai, to show that he knew her, and that she knew him, since that would lead anyone nearby to believe that she was a hooker. Second, as Eih Tooms stated, by saying Hello to the girl when she is with another guy, you are announcing that you have fucked her before. What if she is with her boyfriend / sponsor? Is she going to want him to know that you fucked her? Is he going to take kindly to your fucking his girl behind his back? Even if the guy is just a new customer, and knows that she has fucked other guys before, seeing one of the guys she has fucked before might be off putting to him and affect how much money she makes.
In short, you follow the girl's lead: she ignores you, you ignore her; she nods at you, you nod at her; she smiles at you, you smile back; she says Hello, you say Hello; she wants to chat, you chat.
You have no way of knowing if a harmless greeting will lead down the path of despair you've laid out.And neither do you. So how about when in doubt, don't?
Instead of reframing my posts as some sort of hysterical overreach, why not explain to us why you need to say anything at all to a working girl who is with another customer? I've asked a few times and so far I haven't seen anything other than your allegiance to behaving like a human being. Ok. So what happens if every customer that lady has ever been with or even been bought a Ladydrink by between her bar, through the plaza and down Sukhumvit to his hotel decides, like you, he must at this very moment express his humanity by saying "hello" to her in front of her current customer (or, as Jimmy Boy pointed out, perhaps her actual boyfriend or significant sponsor)?
Since you proudly assure us you will most certainly continue to make sure her current customer knows you fucked her before he did, how far back in line do you think you'll have to stand while all the other guys she's been with takes his turn saying "hello" to her before they get to his actual hotel room door much less the hotel lobby?
And at which point, how many previous customers saying "hello" to her and her responding enthusiastically about each one (as is most likely hoped for by the "hello" guys) on the way to her hotel do you think it will take before the new guy or the old sponsor realizes this is just too distracting and cancels?
RunMann wants to impose his concept of politeness whether or not it is appropriate, and whether or not is it wanted by the girl
Quite the contrary, I am not telling anyone what to do. I am making the point that it is not inappropriate to do, you do as you wish.
Instead of reframing my posts as some sort of hysterical overreach, why not explain to us why you "need" to say anything at all to a working girl who is with another customer? You are the one reframing here because I never said there was a NEED to say hello, I said that it was not inappropriate to say it or answer the WG if she said hello to you first. I never said it had to be done but I object to the rigidity or rule below that says it must not be done or that it is inappropriate.
Since you proudly assure us you will most certainly continue to make sure her current customer knows you fucked her before he did
Not my intent to convey any message to him but she is a WG, do you seriously think John does not know that she has been banged before?
he must at this very moment express his humanity by saying "hello" to her in front of her current customer (or, as Jimmy Boy pointed out, perhaps her actual boyfriend or significant sponsor)?
Reflect on this for a moment, especially the boyfriend or sponsor part, I hope on reflection your take away may change.
You are the one reframing here because I never said there was a NEED to say Hello, I said that it was not inappropriate to say it or answer the WG if she said Hello, to you first. I never said it had to be done but I object to the rigidity or rule below that says it must not be done or that it is inappropriate.I don't know about the "rigid rule" part. That sounds like one of those classic straw man arguments you mentioned. Nobody is saying you should be banished from Thailand forever for interjecting an unsolicited "hello" between a working girl and the man next to her. But unless there is some genuinely compelling reason to do it other than making sure the guy she is with knows you fucked her before, I haven't read it yet.
Note that we are talking about when you say "hello" first and she hasn't said it to you first. You have no idea how benign or not your doing it is. You might stroll through life thinking you are a special exception in saying "hello" to this lady or that lady on a given day or night when in fact you might be the 10th one to do so while she has been sitting next to a man buying her Ladydrinks and deciding whether or not he will barfine her. Or, as mentioned, the live-in boyfriend and/or significant sponsor sitting next to her.
Your "hello" might not even be the straw (speaking of which) that breaks the camel's back when you toss in yours. After all, most other guys she has been with who spied her with someone else would probably know enough to keep their mouths shut and it would not even cross their mind to express their humanity that particular way. But you and a handful of others can still be major contributors even if your "hello" is not the one that finally goes too far.
I don't know about the "rigid rule" part..Scroll back the last two pages to get your answer about how completely inappropriate it is and the consequences one could face for saying hello. No one needs to have a compelling reason or convince you or anyone here why they are doing anything, especially engaging in a courteous and harmless act like saying Hello or acknowledging someone who said it to you first, which in my view needs no explanation. You appear to be a strong advocate defender for/of WGs. I just think your view is skewed on this issue and you're way over protective of them on it thus I am where I am on and you are where you are on it
Your story has become tiresome.
SlowAndEasy
04-08-18, 22:13
Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."
Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?While your argument has valid points, you are over thinking this.
I have had a few situations where I have been with a girl and some guy is trying to get her attention or comes by to say Hello,. I usually ignore him. If the girl says Hello, back, I will usually tell her it is OK if she wants to go with the guy. Both times, the girl has.
Told me, she does not like the man.
I think it looks bad to talk to a girl who is talking to another guy.
Personally, I think it is pretty rude.
But I really don't care. Everyone has a right to do what.
They want.
No one needs to have a compelling reason or convince you or anyone here why they are doing anything, especially engaging in a courteous and harmless act like saying Hello or acknowledging someone who said it to you first, which in my view needs no explanation.I and others agree with you that no explanation is necessary for acknowledging someone who says hello to you first. Not sure why you keep lumping that into the issue when no one is asking why you do that. It is only regarding the part about you saying hello to a P4P girl with another man who has said nothing to you.
We certainly get that you don't "need" to do it by the way you defiantly and repeatedly assured us that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what.
And it isn't critical that you provide an explanation to anyone for the behavior, of course. But maybe those of us who don't do it are missing out on something by not doing it. So that is why I asked.
For my part, I just never felt insecure and needy of attention enough not to abide seeing a former P4P girl with another man without my lobbing a tiny grenade into her lap by saying anything to her first that might mean she will feel it necessary to talk about me or explain anything about me to her other man for the next minute or two while I stroll off with a self-satisfied grin about the possible repercussions no matter how benign they might be.
I and others agree with you that no explanation is necessary for acknowledging someone who says hello to you first. Not sure why you keep lumping that into the issue when no one is asking why you do that. It is only regarding the part about you saying hello to a P4P girl with another man who has said nothing to you..Go back and read the original discussion it is about saying hello to the WG with customer or returning her greeting.
We certainly get that you don't "need" to do it by the way you defiantly and repeatedly assured us that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what.Who is we, you speak for more than yourself here or are you so incapable formulating your own thoughts coherently you need others to assist you? You dishonestly introduced the "need" word when no one said there was a need. I corrected you on that along with several other misstatement you made like changing the Hello, greeting to a chat when no one said that but you and your conclusion that saying Hello, will negatively affect the WG when you have no proof that it will. I am not convinced by your argument that saying Hello, or returning her greeting when she is with a customer will affect her negatively and you have not shown me otherwise which is why I said I will continue as usual.
For my part, I just never felt insecure and needy of attention enough not to abide seeing a former P4P girl with another man without my lobbing a tiny grenade into her lap by saying anything to her first that might mean she will feel it necessary to talk about me or explain anything about me to her other man for the next minute or two while I stroll off with a self-satisfied grin about the possible repercussions no matter how benign they might be..The only insecurity and neediness I see is from you and your need to protect WGs. This is about saying hello not lobbying tiny grenades into laps as you deceptively put it, No one but you said that. Changing the narrative does not advance your argument, its dishonest. Not everyone has the same nefarious mind set you are putting forth here, A hello, is a hello, and nothing more and you can't prove otherwise but for you to reach the diabolical conclusion that because someone said hello to the WG with her customer or return her greeting that she will be affected said more about your need to unnecessarily protect WGs.
Go back and read the original discussion it is about saying hello to the WG with customer or returning her greeting.
Who is we, you speak for more than yourself here or are you so incapable formulating your own thoughts coherently you need others to assist you? You dishonestly introduced the "need" word when no one said there was a need. I corrected you on that along with several other misstatement you made like changing the Hello, greeting to a chat when no one said that but you and your conclusion that saying Hello, will negatively affect the WG when you have no proof that it will. I am not convinced by your argument that saying Hello, or returning her greeting when she is with a customer will affect her negatively and you have not shown me otherwise which is why I said I will continue as usual.
The only insecurity and neediness I see is from you and your need to protect WGs. This is about saying hello not lobbying tiny grenades into laps as you deceptively put it, No one but you said that. Changing the narrative does not advance your argument, its dishonest. Not everyone has the same nefarious mind set you are putting forth here, A hello, is a hello, and nothing more and you can't prove otherwise but for you to reach the diabolical conclusion that because someone said hello to the WG with her customer or return her greeting that she will be affected said more about your need to unnecessarily protect WGs.1. Go back and read how many times posters (not only me; we) clarified that we aren't talking about the times a P4P girl with a customer said hello to you first but when you looked into her face and said it to her first. Yet you still include that in your replies as though the only posts you read were the first ones and as if your including that might blur the line in the stark difference between the two.
2. I said "we" because your defiant and repeated assurance that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what was not a reply to me but to other posters. I certainly saw that as a sure sign you are not in any way addicted to the behavior. But you are correct in that I can't be sure anyone else reading those assurances (we) see the same sure signs of no "need" there that I saw.
3. The reason I added the notion that a brief conversation might follow your saying hello first to a P4P girl with another man is there in my posts; you don't know what her reaction will be. She might very well decide that a normal expression of being human when someone she knows says hello to her is to reply with "Oh hi! I was just thinking about you. I'm fine. How are you? Mom, Dad, the kids, the dog and cat doing alright lately? Have you seen Black Panther yet?"
And what will you do IF she wants to take your hello further than either a lone hello back or utter silence on her part? Avert your eyes and ignore the effort? Kind of rude, no?
Then again, if no P4P girl with another man has ever carried on an exchange with you beyond only saying hello back or saying nothing at all, maybe they aren't nearly as interested in sharing this aspect of humanity at this particular moment as you are. And it even could be that she, the man she is with and anyone else witness to the moment fully understands the message and meaning of your looking into her face to say hello first (see my posts) and would rather get past this awkward glitch in the evening ASAP and get back to whatever positive vibe the two them were working on before you arrived on the scene.
1. Go back and read how many times posters (not only me; we) clarified that we aren't talking about the times a P4P girl with a customer said hello to you first but when you looked into her face and said it to her first. Yet you still include that in your replies as though the only posts you read were the first ones and as if your including that might blur the line in the stark difference between the two.
2. I said "we" because your defiant and repeated assurance that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what was not a reply to me but to other posters. I certainly saw that as a sure sign you are not in any way addicted to the behavior. But you are correct in that I can't be sure anyone else reading those assurances (we) see the same sure signs of no "need" there that I saw.
3. The reason I added the notion that a brief conversation might follow your saying hello first to a P4P girl with another man is there in my posts; you don't know what her reaction will be. She might very well decide that a normal expression of being human when someone she knows says hello to her is to reply with "Oh hi! I was just thinking about you. I'm fine. How are you? Mom, Dad, the kids, the dog and cat doing alright lately? Have you seen Black Panther yet?"
And what will you do IF she wants to take your hello further than either a lone hello back or utter silence on her part? Avert your eyes and ignore the effort? Kind of rude, no?
Then again, if no P4P girl with another man has ever carried on an exchange with you beyond only saying hello back or saying nothing at all, maybe they aren't nearly as interested in sharing this aspect of humanity at this particular moment as you are. And it even could be that she, the man she is with and anyone else witness to the moment fully understands the message and meaning of your looking into her face to say hello first (see my posts) and would rather get past this awkward glitch in the evening ASAP and get back to whatever positive vibe the two them were working on before you arrived on the scene.You are loaded with excuses, I call them dishonesty. Your "we" is simply a call for assistance and to assemble an us against me scenario, but the only thing you have convince me of is that I am 100 percent correct and it is appropriate in saying Hello, or returning a greeting to WG who is with a customer so despite your exaggerations, untruths and hysteria and no evidence to support your unfounded, ridiculous WG being harmed claim I will do as I please.
You are loaded with excuses, I call them dishonesty. Your "we" is simply a call for assistance and to assemble an us against me scenario, but the only thing you have convince me of is that I am 100 percent correct and it is appropriate in saying Hello, or returning a greeting to WG who is with a customer so despite your exaggerations, untruths and hysteria and no evidence to support your unfounded, ridiculous WG being harmed claim I will do as I please.Not only are you wrong, but you are belligerently sticking to your guns and insulting people in the process. Run Mann, you are an American.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-TA2Ckma4
Could you please continue this discussion by PM?
NicFrenchy
04-09-18, 11:03
Alright guys, an unspoken rule. See a girl you've been with before and she's going into a hotel elevator with another guy you do not call out to her. That's just the wrong thing to do. It's unlikely she's going to drop a paying customer to go and chat with you. And the guy sure isn't going to like the interruption. Pick the wrong guys at the wrong time and you might get your ass beat.I do not think there is a rule for that, spoken or unspoken.
However, should I cross paths with a working girl I know and she is with another man, I will not give her the time of day.
Why? Because being outside her workplace (or work environment if you will) it is very difficult for me to read the situation: Is she Somying the working girl? Or somying the girl trying to have some normal regular time? And how would I know the guy next to her is a customer? What if he is a boyfriend / teacher / relative or whatever? I would 100% respect her right to privacy and let her (since she is with the unknown third party) be the one to initiate.
I would expect the same courtesy from her if the roles were reversed and I was walking at the mall with another girl.
Not only are you wrong, but you are belligerently sticking to your guns and insulting people in the process. Run Mann, you are an American.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-TA2Ckma4I am wrong because I disagree with you? Brilliant, You don't get to tell me what is appropriate because I don't live my life to your standard so you are wrong, now what?
LittleBigMan
04-09-18, 11:55
I do not think there is a rule for that, spoken or unspoken.
However, should I cross paths with a working girl I know and she is with another man, I will not give her the time of day.
Why? Because being outside her workplace (or work environment if you will) it is very difficult for me to read the situation: Is she Somying the working girl? Or somying the girl trying to have some normal regular time? And how would I know the guy next to her is a customer? What if he is a boyfriend / teacher / relative or whatever? I would 100% respect her right to privacy and let her (since she is with the unknown third party) be the one to initiate.
I would expect the same courtesy from her if the roles were reversed and I was walking at the mall with another girl.Not taking sides I could have gone both ways because there isn't really a right or wrong way personally I've been doing the don't know you thing but this got to be the best fucking answer so far! That is why he is the NicFrenchy wearing all those designers clothing in Bangkok. Man you good!
I am wrong because I disagree with you? Brilliant, You don't get to tell me what is appropriate because I don't live my life to your standard so you are wrong, now what?I wouldn't 3/4 of the girls I meet so not a problem for me! I don't know why any one would bother to be perfectly honest and I am guessing unless you have a regular arrangement with the girl they don't care either.
My hobby is finding and f at cking as many girls as I can not make as many friends as I can with working girls.
My 2 cents worth.
Rob.
I wouldn't 3/4 of the girls I meet so not a problem for me! I don't know why any one would bother to be perfectly honest and I am guessing unless you have a regular arrangement with the girl they don't care either.
My hobby is finding and f at cking as many girls as I can not make as many friends as I can with working girls.
My 2 cents worth.
Rob.Hi to you Rob, and I will tell you my objection is to someone telling me it's inappropriate to return a courtesy to a WG who is with a customer or me saying a quick Hello when she is with her customer. You're probably correct that most people would not even greet them under those circumstances and most girls would probably not either but to excoriated someone who says Hello, under those circumstances and says it's inappropriate and get so dramatic about it is over the top hysteria.
I do not think there is a rule for that, spoken or unspoken.
However, should I cross paths with a working girl I know and she is with another man, I will not give her the time of day.
Why? Because being outside her workplace (or work environment if you will) it is very difficult for me to read the situation: Is she Somying the working girl? Or somying the girl trying to have some normal regular time? And how would I know the guy next to her is a customer? What if he is a boyfriend / teacher / relative or whatever? I would 100% respect her right to privacy and let her (since she is with the unknown third party) be the one to initiate.
I would expect the same courtesy from her if the roles were reversed and I was walking at the mall with another girl.Best response I have read here.
FWIW, a few years ago now I was having lunch with my barfine one day and she whispered to me that the girl sitting at a nearby table was her friend who worked in her bar. I noted they were ignoring each other and I commented on it and she said (I am paraphrasing) that they have an understanding that they don't greet each other in such circumstances because it might cause a problem. She also giggled to me that she had been with the guy her friend was with too. He didn't seem to recognize my girl but perhaps he was playing dumb too.
This thread reminded me of this funny scenario. Everybody studiously ignoring each other despite knowing each other.
Best response I have read here.
FWIW, a few years ago now I was having lunch with my barfine one day and she whispered to me that the girl sitting at a nearby table was her friend who worked in her bar. I noted they were ignoring each other and I commented on it and she said (I am paraphrasing) that they have an understanding that they don't greet each other in such circumstances because it might cause a problem. She also giggled to me that she had been with the guy her friend was with too. He didn't seem to recognize my girl but perhaps he was playing dumb too.
This thread reminded me of this funny scenario. Everybody studiously ignoring each other despite knowing each other.A monger with proper upbringing will never greet a working girl who is with another monger. Not everyone is aware of good manners or common courtesy.
BlueKangaroo
04-09-18, 14:59
This could easily be turned around where the monger might not be comfortable being greeted by a WG during the day. Some might be mongering on the hush hush, like going for quickies while the wife / GF is asleep or out shopping. Like many have said there is no hard and fast rule, just feel out the situation and decide whether at that point in time it would be appropriate.
For example if you see her with a kid in tow or with people hat look like they could be her parents or relatives, maybe try being discreet about it. Or if she's hanging off the arm of someone who looks like her BF, maybe try not to cause any drama.
Hi guys,
Total newbie here, just discovered the forum. Wanted to say thank you to everyone who participates and gives good information. Before writing this, I read about a years worth of the forum and really appreciates everyone who helps out this community.
Here are my experience in Bangkok in 2017 (two trips of 2-night layovers. So still semi-current).Nice reports Montana, thanks contributing back to the forum. I think your subsequent questions might have been swamped by the kerfuffle over what to do when two WGs meet. I'm afraid I can't answer your specific questions, but I'm just giving your message a little bump to try to get someone to answer it.
Hi,
1. I am going to BKK again next weekend, with a friend and his wife. She is kind of adventurous, not a prude, but not crazy either. She wants to go to a "lady show". Where should I take her? I saw many couples in Billboard, but its not really a show. Angelwitch would have been my answer but the girls were pretty bad and lackluster last time (like 3's). I remember in 2010, seeing some really cool shit and costumes and pseudo lesbian stuff, but it was nothing like that in 2017.
2. As you can probably tell in my previous post, I do like myself the Russian / CIS type. I gave my experiences on where to find them, does anyone have any other bars or clubs for freelancers? Someone mentioned Shock39, how is that place? (Please don't hate, I go to BKK because my work has me in South / South East Asia and I can go easily for a weekend. Otherwise, I'the be in Kiev).
Eurasians I also love half Asian Thais (as you can probably tell from my first post). Any place I can find escort agencies, freelance bars, or clubs where these type of girls congregate?
3. I thank the forum for a lot of information on massage / soapies. However, I have this weird thing where I like to go to "normal" massage places and see if a HJ / BJ is offered. That feeling when you are uncertain and then she starts suggestively rubbing is super hot. Is there an area that has a lot of legit places (where normal tourists would go in) but is not staffed by total trolls? I can imagine a response like "yeah, that area is called Bangkok" but I've walked around a lot in Sukhumvit and Patpong and usually only see obvious places (that cost more than a bar girl) or just straight big old ladies. I'm not looking for stunners, but something that doesn't disgust.
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.
Hi,
1. I am going to BKK again next weekend, with a friend and his wife. She is kind of adventurous, not a prude, but not crazy either. She wants to go to a "lady show". Where should I take her? I saw many couples in Billboard, but its not really a show. Angelwitch would have been my answer but the girls were pretty bad and lackluster last time (like 3's). I remember in 2010, seeing some really cool shit and costumes and pseudo lesbian stuff, but it was nothing like that in 2017.
Cheers!Not sure what you are chasing for a Lady show. In Patpong there are some ping pong shows but they are a bit dodgy about pricing and are a bit of a scam. There is also a S&M club that I took my wife to there. They had a show and the girls got naked and friendly after.
Hi,
1. I am going to BKK again next weekend, with a friend and his wife. She is kind of adventurous, not a prude, but not crazy either. She wants to go to a "lady show". Where should I take her? I saw many couples in Billboard, but its not really a show. Angelwitch would have been my answer but the girls were pretty bad and lackluster last time (like 3's). I remember in 2010, seeing some really cool shit and costumes and pseudo lesbian stuff, but it was nothing like that in 2017.
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.
A "lady show" could mean anything. "Really cool shit"??? You should specify if you want Patpong style freak show (I hate these - e.g. cigarette or firing darts) or something more sensual. Suzie Wong used to have a great Lesbo show and other sensual shows like showering, rubbing oil on naked girls, etc., but not sure if it is still going. Should be, but I don't attend any more since the take over, and all my girls left. Not sure where best lesbian show is right now.
There are Massage places with 24 hours operation, although not sure if you can take massage at their shop early in morning. Bars in Soi 4 of Sukhumvit open at 10 am I guess. Other MPs open at 10 am.
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.In most hotels you are always able to check in if they have a room available. And it's not high season now so most likely your hotel is not full.
NicFrenchy
04-10-18, 10:22
In most hotels you are always able to check in if they have a room available. And it's not high season now so most likely your hotel is not full.Some hotels make it a point not to check-in guests before 12 noon. Why? Because their policy is most likely a 2 pm check-in and 12 noon check-out.
If you know you are arriving early, you can always arrange for the hotel to prepare your room for an Early check-in and most would charge you anywhere between 500-1000 thb.
Some hotels would even give it to you for free if you stay long (3+ nights) or in one of their upgraded rooms.
All it takes sometimes is to ask.
A thing to try: check the price on websites like Agoda and Booking.com, then send this to the hotel and ask them if they would give you free early check-in if you make the booking direct to the hotel. These days, hotels pay between 15 20% commission to these third party websites so the hotel would be saving a lot of money too. Everyone happy. Best is to talk to a manager for this, most regular staff are oblivious to these.
Paris Montana
04-10-18, 11:33
I'm just giving your message a little bump to try to get someone to answer it.Really appreciate that and the suggestions for hotels.
As for "cool show", I guess something X rated but not raunchy. I keep bringing up Angelwitch in 2010, which I remember it being a whole production with costumes, masks, and acting- like gothic Shakespeare with bad acting and sex toys. Not sure how open she really is, but the fact she's happy to check it out makes it interesting.
I will post after my trip- will continue to have open eyes for CIS but am looking at some places for freelancers at places not often mentioned here like Oskar or Levels.
I remember back in 2010, we were at "Bed Supper Club", which has since closed. My friend hit it off with a real classy looking Thai girl at the bar. She looked like the type whose parents had money to send her to boarding school in Switzerland. We all had a great night and he left with her. He told me the next morning, she wanted 700 baht. He was shocked, her purse was probably worth double that in dollars ($1 k+) She said "Entrance to the club- 500. My taxi there and home- 200. I let you sleep with me, the night should cost me nothing".
I get it, just funny how that mindset works. Anyways- the point of this story is that maybe a "nice place" will have girls with different mentality than the girls you find in go-gos.
Cheers.
Really appreciate that and the suggestions for hotels.
As for "cool show", I guess something X rated but not raunchy. In my country X rated means pornographic, so is generally also "raunchy" in the very least, if in a sexy type of X rated. X rated can also be excessively gruesome. Naked girls is not quite X rated where I come from. That is just naked. Maybe spread wide pussy is X rated (and raunchy).
The extremely freaky Pat Pong style shows, include eggs or ping pong balls popping out of pussy, darts fired by pussy power, and pussy smoking cigarettes, as examples. Some Cowboy bars have them. They are not "cool" for me, but are X rated and pornographic, but definitely not sexy for me, which maybe makes them "not really raunchy" to my way of thinking. Others might call them raunchy. Raunchy is a vague term with several possible meanings.
I prefer lesbian show, beer show, oil show, and shower shows, that are naked and erotic, with only the lesbian show perhaps considered really raunchy and X rated. Suzie Wong used to have both the erotic shows and the freak shows, but I don't know if they all stayed under the new management. I don't know if Angel Witch shows these days are that erotic or not, but probably involve at least nudity when costumes come off.
Crazy House has some freak shows done by fat and ugly girls. Long Gun used to (maybe still does). Baccara used to have a lesbian show but not up to same standard as Suzie Wong. Unfortunately much of my information is out of date, not attending the relevant bars recently.
Baccara used to have a lesbian show but not up to same standard as Suzie Wong.The best lesbian show ever was the one at Hollywood (now billboard) in Nana back in the early 2000's. 12 girls on stage at one time going at it (although they were paired off in 6 pairs most of the show). At one point in the show, they formed a circle in human centipede position and each girl put a dildo in her teeth and inserted it in the girl in front of her's pussy and went back and forth. It was friggin awesome.
"Our Place" (or was it called "My Place") across from Baccara used to have a rocking lesbian show in the mid 2000's. Those 2 girls who did that show were hot as hell. And the lesbian show in the mid to late 2000's at the bar that used to be called some Egyptian name (I think it's called Light or Lighthouse now) was also awesome.
Long Gun and Rawhide still have pretty good shows, but I haven't seen any shows as good as they used to have. The Rawhide shower show can be interesting if the girls are drunk and start licking each other's pussies. I used to love the shower show at G-Spot in Nana back in the early 2000's. I don't know if Suzie Wong still has shows because I never really liked that place so I rarely go in there. Too dirty. They did have a good lesbian show though as well. The shows at CH are pretty much garbage.
I had decided to stay at the Nana Hotel for my first 6 nights back, based upon so many people on here saying how great it was. It IS a great location, though my beloved Majestic Suites is probably almost as near from front door to entrance. The pool is nice, something Majestic Suites DOESN'T have. The breakfast is decent. But other than that it's pretty much a shit hole. The bed is hard as a rock, the rooms are old. So old that the electricity isn't always working in these outlets. The hall smells like. Like an old hotel. And it's LOUD outside my window. Very overrated. And as far as the 'little' things. A key on a holder that's as big as a dildo, no BEIN Sports Channels (Majestic has like 5 or 6 of them. Football all day and night if you like from all over the world), no Chinese Classic movie channels, outdated toliet. Ah well. At least I have a pool.
I went out for a walk around 6 pm. I notice a petite deaf girl standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign. She's sexy in that 'homeless little street ho' way, but I decide to walk a bit and look around. I make my way back to Nana after about an hour. It was sort of starting up. Eager beavers ready to get some early action. They've torn down the middle section, which I never much utilized anyway, so it's easier to see all of the different bars that are actually there. I pop my head in Lollipops, looking for someone specific who isn't there (October through April can be LONG time in the go-go bar business) and Bangkok Bunnies, but not much going on. I'm really not all THAT interested in paying 700 Bar Fine and 3500 Short Time. Suddenly a girl catches my eye outside of (I'm pretty sure it was Mandarin). There are a lot of ladyboys lurking about, so at first I'm not sure if.
Well she smiles and I walk over and say Hi. She drags me in of course, and I straight out ask, "Is this a ladyboy bar?" She says, "No no no", and I guess the look on my face says, "Are you sure?" because she pulls my hand down to her crotch and says, "Here check!" We have a nice little conversation, as I buy her and myself a drink (She only wants a Coke! As the old vultures surround us ("Buy me a drink!" - dismissed with a simple shake of my head), followed by the of course now impatient older head vulture ("You barfine her? I plead, "Can you give me chance to talk to her first. For just like 5 minutes?
Her name if FON, pronounced like FAWN, and she is FAW-INE as hell, but she tells me barfine is 1400, and I feign a heart attack. On top of 3500 for Short Time. She has to get up on stage, right in front of me and those long legs, oh those fking long legs, and tight belly. "I'll come back", I sensibly lie. I think I've graduated to being more selective. Thank god, and I don't regret passing it up at all. Though she WAS FINE. Who knows, maybe I had hard-on eyes.
So I end up being rewarded for my patience, as I'm going down the steps on the other side not but 5 minutes later and I see this cute, petite girl, still in her street clothes, who is just adorable. She notices me gawking and strikes up a conversation. She decides we can have a go before work to save me on her barfine, and I get her to take 2500. I don't want to say her name or what bar she works at, as I don't want any possibility of her getting shit for it, and I figure one day I MAY want a second go round.
(Continued).
Afterwards I notice the SW's lined up in front of the Nana Hotel sign. The deaf girl I saw earlier is walking off with some guy. Good. I'm not done walking around. I decide to head down to Soi Cowboy. It's humid, but good for me, though I take that temporary relief through the underground tunnel to come up on the other side of Soi 23. It's after 9 now, and it's not very busy. The quality of Coyote's isn't very good, so I'm not tempted to be stupid. I take a walk through Shark Bar, it looks ok I guess. I buy a water before going into Baccara, and luckily get a seat at the low end of the stage, ready to sit and just admire the brief glimpse's of mons venus' for bit as I cool off drinking water.
But then I see an AMAZING girl! I'm not even going to describe her, or go into detail. I just knew I had to leave. I DON'T want to pay 4000+ for this. I don't care how hot I think she is. (Though I tell myself, "I'll come back and see her some other day", just to make myself feel better). I go to Crazy Horse of course, and as I said, none of these places are THAT busy, so I get a seat right next to the stage steps, and wait for someone to bug me to buy a water. But no one does. It's really weird, but, no one hassled me in Crazy Horse, and it had a weird air to it. For one thing, HALF the girls had outfits on (which sucks), and in the midst of looking around to make sure one of my ex-regulars wasn't there, not ONE girl, waitress, or house mom said a word to me. Not used to that THERE. And the quality of girls was. Ok.
Finally I headed back to my hotel, on foot. And I forgot to mention. I stopped in Thermae on the way to Soi Cowboy, and stop in there now on the way back. It is PACKED with girls. On my way back in, I tell the guy just inside the door, "I went out to smoke, my water is over there", and he waves me past. Did I mention it's PACKED? This really cute innocent looking girl, who looks barely 18, in a full puffy white shirt and long light blue skirt down to her ankles, is leaving with some guy and I'm happy for her for some reason. I don't even talk to anyone, though a few not so great gals pull at my sleeve.
I brave the humidity again and head home, ignoring the black girls and think, maybe I'll hit a club late night or something. As I get back, I see the deaf girl again in front of the Nana Hotel sign. But instead, I talk to another really petite girl standing close by, who also turns out to be deaf. She wants 1500, and I say, let's go. Or. Ya know. Motion to her. What's the odds of talking to two different deaf girls? This one is really sweet. Not as pretty as some of the go go girls, but really nice, and kind of almost shy, with a great little body. Her name is FISH, which seems a bit strange in this line of work, but she's little and a real trooper.
Afterwards's I kick back to watch some obscure original language Chinese movie from the 70's to fall asleep to, but. Oh, yeah, they don't have that here!
Philosophus
04-11-18, 12:58
I had decided to stay at the Nana Hotel for my first 6 nights back, based upon so many people on here saying how great it was. It IS a great location, though my beloved Majestic Suites is probably almost as near from front door to entrance. The pool is nice, something Majestic Suites DOESN'T have. The breakfast is decent. But other than that it's pretty much a shit hole. The bed is hard as a rock, the rooms are old. So old that the electricity isn't always working in these outlets. The hall smells like. Like an old hotel. And it's LOUD outside my window. Very overrated. And as far as the 'little' things. A key on a holder that's as big as a dildo, no BEIN Sports Channels (Majestic has like 5 or 6 of them. Football all day and night if you like from all over the world), no Chinese Classic movie channels, outdated toliet. Ah well. At least I have a pool.
I went out for a walk around 6 pm. I notice a petite deaf girl standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign. She's sexy in that 'homeless little street ho' way, but I decide to walk a bit and look around. I make my way back to Nana after about an hour. It was sort of starting up. Eager beavers ready to get some early action. They've torn down the middle section, which I never much utilized anyway, so it's easier to see all of the different bars that are actually there. I pop my head in Lollipops, looking for someone specific who isn't there (October through April can be LONG time in the go-go bar business) and Bangkok Bunnies, but not much going on. I'm really not all THAT interested in paying 700 Bar Fine and 3500 Short Time. Suddenly a girl catches my eye outside of (I'm pretty sure it was Mandarin). There are a lot of ladyboys lurking about, so at first I'm not sure if..Nice writing. Like in a Marguerite Duras novel or in a piece by Elias Canetti, you immerse the reader in the setting. Add height and weight data on your pick if you will. Tiny is appreciated.
Hey Mongers,
I'm traveling to Thailand with my wife. She just wanted to experience a gogo bar. We are mainly looking for a strip show with cute girl. Can anyone please recommend a couple friendly place where my wife will be welcomed and will not be made to feel uncomfortable by creepy men?
TIA.
Ggekko2009
04-11-18, 13:10
Afterwards I notice the SW's lined up in front of the Nana Hotel sign. The deaf girl I saw earlier is walking off with some guy. Good. I'm not done walking around. I decide to head down to Soi Cowboy. It's humid, but good for me, though I take that temporary relief through the underground tunnel to come up on the other side of Soi 23. It's after 9 now, and it's not very busy. The quality of Coyote's isn't very good, so I'm not tempted to be stupid. I take a walk through Shark Bar, it looks ok I guess. I buy a water before going into Baccara, and luckily get a seat at the low end of the stage, ready to sit and just admire the brief glimpse's of mons venus' for bit as I cool off drinking water.
But then I see an AMAZING girl! I'm not even going to describe her, or go into detail. I just knew I had to leave. I DON'T want to pay 4000+ for this. I don't care how hot I think she is. (Though I tell myself, "I'll come back and see her some other day", just to make myself feel better). I go to Crazy Horse of course, and as I said, none of these places are THAT busy, so I get a seat right next to the stage steps, and wait for someone to bug me to buy a water. But no one does. It's really weird, but, no one hassled me in Crazy Horse, and it had a weird air to it. For one thing, HALF the girls had outfits on (which sucks), and in the midst of looking around to make sure one of my ex-regulars wasn't there, not ONE girl, waitress, or house mom said a word to me. Not used to that THERE. And the quality of girls was. Ok.
Finally I headed back to my hotel, on foot. And I forgot to mention. I stopped in Thermae on the way to Soi Cowboy, and stop in there now on the way back. It is PACKED with girls. On my way back in, I tell the guy just inside the door, "I went out to smoke, my water is over there", and he waves me past. Did I mention it's PACKED? This really cute innocent looking girl, who looks barely 18, in a full puffy white shirt and long light blue skirt down to her ankles, is leaving with some guy and I'm happy for her for some reason. I don't even talk to anyone, though a few not so great gals pull at my sleeve.
I brave the humidity again and head home, ignoring the black girls and think, maybe I'll hit a club late night or something. As I get back, I see the deaf girl again in front of the Nana Hotel sign. But instead, I talk to another really petite girl standing close by, who also turns out to be deaf. She wants 1500, and I say, let's go. Or. Ya know. Motion to her. What's the odds of talking to two different deaf girls? This one is really sweet. Not as pretty as some of the go go girls, but really nice, and kind of almost shy, with a great little body. Her name is FISH, which seems a bit strange in this line of work, but she's little and a real trooper.
Afterwards's I kick back to watch some obscure original language Chinese movie from the 70's to fall asleep to, but. Oh, yeah, they don't have that here!Great reporting. I came across a YouTube video somewhere that briefly mentioned a few freelancers who also happened to be deaf that always hang out in front of the Nana sign. That video was slightly dated, maybe two years old, but I wonder if they are the same girls. I think the deaf prefer to hang around their own kind which also makes communication easier among themselves. So, how do you end up communicating with the deaf girl?
Hey Mongers,
I'm traveling to Thailand with my wife. She just wanted to experience a gogo bar. We are mainly looking for a strip show with cute girl. Can anyone please recommend a couple friendly place where my wife will be welcomed and will not be made to feel uncomfortable by creepy men?
TIA.I doubt any men will pay any attention to your wife. Go to any gogo bar and enjoy. However, I would recommend Angel Witch in Nana Square. They have the most interesting shows as far as what a woman might find interesting.
Great reporting. I came across a YouTube video somewhere that briefly mentioned a few freelancers who also happened to be deaf that always hang out in front of the Nana sign. That video was slightly dated, maybe two years old, but I wonder if they are the same girls. I think the deaf prefer to hang around their own kind which also makes communication easier among themselves. So, how do you end up communicating with the deaf girl?Translate app on our phones!
Hey Mongers,
I'm traveling to Thailand with my wife. She just wanted to experience a gogo bar. We are mainly looking for a strip show with cute girl. Can anyone please recommend a couple friendly place where my wife will be welcomed and will not be made to feel uncomfortable by creepy men?
TIA.How old is she, is she hot? Everyone gets look at in Thailand and some men may even say smile at her or worst say hello to her. Question is how uncomfortable will you be if this happens? Lots of creepy men in Nana but if you are a cool guy and both have a sense of humor you both will be fine.
2. As you can probably tell in my previous post, I do like myself the Russian / CIS type. I gave my experiences on where to find them, does anyone have any other bars or clubs for freelancers? Someone mentioned Shock39, how is that place? (Please don't hate, I go to BKK because my work has me in South / South East Asia and I can go easily for a weekend. Otherwise, I'the be in Kiev).
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.
Cheers!Regarding Shock 39 and Russian/CIS talent, go through my FRs and I think you'll get sufficient information. Also, as another senior mentioned, ask your hotel and you may be able to get early check-in. I've been able to check in at around 7-7.30 in the morning on numerous occasions. Depends upon a bunch of factors such as how accomodating/friendly the staff is (usually not a problem in case of 4-5* properties), the category of the room you are staying in (better chances of early check-in/late check-out if you are staying in an executive suite or such like), duration of stay (obviously, longer the better), how frequently you stay at that property etc. Ask and you may be pleasantly surprised. Cheers!
The best lesbian show ever was the one at Hollywood (now billboard) in Nana back in the early 2000's. 12 girls on stage at one time going at it (although they were paired off in 6 pairs most of the show). At one point in the show, they formed a circle in human centipede position and each girl put a dildo in her teeth and inserted it in the girl in front of her's pussy and went back and forth. It was friggin awesome.
"Our Place" (or was it called "My Place") across from Baccara used to have a rocking lesbian show in the mid 2000's. Those 2 girls who did that show were hot as hell. And the lesbian show in the mid to late 2000's at the bar that used to be called some Egyptian name (I think it's called Light or Lighthouse now) was also awesome.
Long Gun and Rawhide still have pretty good shows, but I haven't seen any shows as good as they used to have. The Rawhide shower show can be interesting if the girls are drunk and start licking each other's pussies. I used to love the shower show at G-Spot in Nana back in the early 2000's. I don't know if Suzie Wong still has shows because I never really liked that place so I rarely go in there. Too dirty. They did have a good lesbian show though as well. The shows at CH are pretty much garbage.The DP show in Carnival when it first opened in the early '00's was pretty amazing as well. 2 gals with strap-ONS would have it at with another gal.
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.Not sure this will help, but a couple of years ago back when there was a Starbucks at the corner of soi 5 and Sukhumvit, there were several SWs out until 8:30 am or so. There were some serious lookers there too (I think I wrote a report about this observation, not sure). But if you end up with no fixed plans for that early hour, take a cruise around that part of Suk and see what pops up. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Member #4698
04-12-18, 03:44
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.I fully understand your desire to get something going as soon as you arrive. We all have that desire.
At least half of the time I fly over Europe from the US to SE Asia so like you, I arrive between 5:30 am and 8 am. I don't mind these early daybreak arrivals because I have learned to throttle down my excitement level temporarily so as to acclimate to BKK time. Thus, I check into my hotel (early if possible), get some breakfast, and then rest and relax by the hotel pool until normal BKK wakes up. So, by 10 am the malls are open and I go buy a sim card and a few other essential items. By 11 am I have usually checked into my hotel and by noon the massage parlors begin to open as the girls slowly begin to arrive. I have now acclimated myself to BKK time. Let the good times roll!
The other half of the time I fly trans pacific from the USA so I arrive in SE Asia between 6 pm and 10 pm. I have no problems on these night time flight arrivals unless the flight arrives very late because even though I am tired from a 22 plus hour flight the adrenaline kicks in, I am too excited for sleep, and I want to get it on, so I check in to my hotel as fast as possible, take a quick shower and then either I have prearranged for one of my favorite regular girl or girls to come by for reunion party party or I go out to Go Go land if it is still early enough or if later I hit the bars.
But back to your early morning situation: if you can't wait for 12 o'clock noon, which is a mistake IMHO because you should never rush things in LOS or go against the flow, but if you absolutely can't wait, ha ha, then I suggest you try to prearrange a "date" on one of the social media sights with a girl (FL or escort) to hook up at her apartment. This plan is far from foolproof. So many things can leave you high and dry and probably will, but this is your best shot of shagging someone decent at that time in the morning when you are without a room and don't know any girls. Of course, you can always walk around and see what is still available on the sois from the night before and check into a short time hotel with your find, but most of the talent still left around at that time of day is pretty low, although you might get lucky and spot a diamond in the rough, or not care who you find. 555. I would prefer to wait until noon/1pm.
In any case, I look forward to reading your trip report to see how you make out. Good will hunting.
NB.
Not sure this will help, but a couple of years ago back when there was a Starbucks at the corner of soi 5 and Sukhumvit, there were several SWs out until 8:30 am or so. There were some serious lookers there too (I think I wrote a report about this observation, not sure). But if you end up with no fixed plans for that early hour, take a cruise around that part of Suk and see what pops up. You might be pleasantly surprised.Ha ha. That is a big time Lady Boy zone. Could be relatively few real girls, but I never checked at that hour, naturally.
I don't know why any one would bother to be perfectly honest and I am guessing unless you have a regular arrangement with the girl they don't care either.
Right on. If we see a girl with another guy (whether customer or not- not always easy to tell), but she does not acknowledge us at all, there is clearly no need to go say Hello,. There is a very impolite Thai word to describe this: "seuak" which basically refers to someone not minding his own business.
Could be the girl is with a sponser that does not know she is still working as a hooker.
If we see a girl apparently alone, still care is needed re who might be observing what is going on (or about to reappear. Could be her mother as I mentioned who does not know the daughter associates with dubious Farangs). I always advise: look for a sign of encouragement by the girl before approaching her, and even then no point unless you know her well. If she is clearly receptive, then decide for yourself if there is any point to going to say Hello, or just ignore her.
I have seen girls trying to avoid me seeing them. I certainly take the hint.
Not sure this will help, but a couple of years ago back when there was a Starbucks at the corner of soi 5 and Sukhumvit, there were several SWs out until 8:30 am or so. There were some serious lookers there too (I think I wrote a report about this observation, not sure). But if you end up with no fixed plans for that early hour, take a cruise around that part of Suk and see what pops up. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Ha ha. That is a big time Lady Boy zone. Could be relatively few real girls, but I never checked at that hour, naturally.There was a Starbucks at the corner of Soi 5 and Sukhumvit? Where the McDonald's is now? When was that? Can't recall it.
Anyway, most of the time there are SWs on Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and 5 in the morning. However quality is low usually.
Some of them are LBs indeed but they tend to gather at / around the little terrrace of the McDonald's in the evening.
There was a Starbucks at the corner of Soi 5 and Sukhumvit? Where the McDonald's is now? When was that? Can't recall it.
Anyway, most of the time there are SWs on Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and 5 in the morning. However quality is low usually.
Some of them are LBs indeed but they tend to gather at / around the little terrrace of the McDonald's in the evening.Yes you are absolutely right. I never went in because it's a Mc Donalds (not Starbucks right on the corner). They may serve coffee too. Comment about Ladyboys zone still applies.
There was some sort of pub/restaurant on the other corner (not sure if still there) and maybe a tailor very close by.
There is a Starbucks very close by though, even if not right on the corner. Can't be more than a few shops away between Soi 3 and Soi 5. Still a major ladyboy zone and was a black girl zone at one time as well. Not sure if ladyboys hang inside Starbucks, but certainly inside the Maccas as well as outside.
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Decided to give the other deaf girl a go. Her name is Pon.
If you like really small petite girls, she's also 1500.
A dead fish in bed, she pretty much wants you to pound away and get it over with.
But man, what a hot, little natural body, and tiny punami.
And I'm not going to name names, but I've gotten offered BBFS twice since I've been here, which is more than I had it offered in the other four visits to BKK combined.
If that's your thing, apparently this is the market right now for it. The economy is tough and the competition is fierce.
Decided to give the other deaf girl a go. Her name is Pon.
If you like really small petite girls, she's also 1500.
A dead fish in bed, she pretty much wants you to pound away and get it over with.
But man, what a hot, little natural body, and tiny punami.
And I'm not going to name names, but I've gotten offered BBFS twice since I've been here, which is more than I had it offered in the other four visits to BKK combined.
If that's your thing, apparently this is the market right now for it. The economy is tough and the competition is fierce.I can combine both topics from an experience I had taking one of those deaf girls in front of Nana parking lot last week. My first one. And probably the last. Don't remember her name but it wasn't Pon. Also petite and a cute smile. I was just passing by and she caught my eye.
She had a small writing pad with something like "sex for money. 1500 baht 1 hour" written in pencil on it. Maybe her phone battery was low.
More curious to see how this would go with one of those girls than anything else, I used Google Translate to ask if her pussy was shaved. Yes. I gave her a thumbs up for that. Then I typed "Will it be good sex? No condom ok?" Without hesitation she flipped her little writing pad to the next blank page and wrote "2500". I loved the novel negotiation style so much I said ok and we went up to Sukhumvit to get a taxi.
That was where things began to go down hill. Zero chemistry in the taxi. I understand many Thai girls are not going to get lovey dovey in a taxi but will warm up in the room. But that isn't the way it was this time. Like yours, she was a total dead fish. All of her smiles, fun flirtiness and focused attention she exhibited on the soi to convince me to take her had evaporated. She kept her lips pursed and gave the head turn. There was no chance of even Shallow French Kissing much less DFK. A real turn off. After getting a Yes on a shaved pussy and BBFS, I totally forgot to negotiate for DFK. LOL. Oh well.
Sure enough, she did lay there and was available for BBFS if you are anxious to hone your necrophilia skills. But it was really quite a dreary task for me.
I will not repeat. And I feel my Nana parking lot deaf girl curiosity has been satisfied.
Writing this at 10:30 because my night is over. Had enough fun for one day.
Had to go into town this afternoon, about a 40 minute walk each way. And kept thinking I would at some point get a tuk tuk or taxi, but made it the whole way. So when I started getting water shot at me as I made my way down Soi 4, it was a welcome relief! The whole street was full of people shooting water at each other. (It's the New Year's Holiday Songkran, apparently). One of the girls grabbed me and shoved her tongue down my throat and said "Happy New Year! She convinced me to stay and I bought a super soaker to get in on the act, but she wasn't too keen on this, and got real possessive. So when she turned her back, I made a beeline for my hotel. She was no prize catch or anything, but it was only fun at first.
There are a couple of cute regular FL'ers out front of the Nana sign. And in particular there's a thin one in a form fitting black dress, that I keep making eye contact with, but still haven't pulled the trigger. She's usually with another girl, also in a tight black form fitting dress, but the one I like looks a bit younger and a little less sure of herself. I was thinking I might tonight. Get it out f the way so I can get some work done, but I decided to go walk around Nana first.
Lollipops was disappointing. What happened to this place over the last few months? Back in October they had a few great looking stand outs, but I've seen nothing this time. So out of habit I go into Bangkok Bunnies. This place has really gone downhill for me. And tonight there are a few that shouldn't even be working there. But just as I'm leaving, a girl is in front of me peeking out the curtain and I think, "Oh my god, look at this hot little ass. ".
She turns around and she is just beautiful!
She goes by Margie. As I like, she is petite, small waisted, decent sized bolt ONS. And a big pretty smile. Says she's "from Bangkok. ". Got a great fun personality. She won me over and I spent the money - 850 BF and 3000ST. No LT available this early.
Things some of you might not like: Probably a fake nose, didn't look that close, but it's a petite nose. Darker skin in places. No DFK or even much light kissing. BBBJ was decent, not spectacular, though just seeing my cock in that girls mouth was worth it to me.
What made up for it: A Hollywood smile, a great laugh, a fun personality. Knows how to dress to impress, including the costume jewelry to give her a classy touch. Great hair. Very friendly and playful. There. On the way to my room. During. And even back. Very responsive to DATY, seemed to love it and got really wet. At the very least a great actress through the whole process. And she let me cum all over her breasts. One of the shots hit her in the ear and she laughed about it!
Overall it was one of the best experiences I've had over here, with one of the hottest girls I've been with.
YMMV, as well as your opinion of her, but man, I'm satisfied.
Had to go into town this afternoon, about a 40 minute walk each way. And kept thinking I would at some point get a tuk tuk or taxi, but made it the whole way. So when I started getting water shot at me as I made my way down Soi 4, it was a welcome relief! The whole street was full of people shooting water at each other. (It's the New Year's Holiday Songkran, apparently). This is the first after 5 Songkrans in a row in that I decided to avoid as much of those water fights as I could and travel outside of Bangkok to a quieter area. I was kind of regretting leaving a few repeated favorite P4P girls and only traveling with one regular girlfriend on the assurance from several expats and locals that the water fights would only happen for a slightly more tolerable 3 days in Bangkok this year, the 13th, 14th and 15th. Well, I had never known the red light districts in Bangkok, where I live and roam, to only have 3 days of water fights, even that first Songkran after the passing of the King.
So it turns out the water fights in and near Nana started a day earlier after all? Same with Soi Cowboy area no doubt. And any random stretches in between probably.
Two days would be tolerable. Three days is pushing it. Four days is way too much. And more than that, which has happened in Bangkok when the official days hit the week just right (or wrong), is insane. Now I am really glad I got out of town Thursday morning. LOL.
Lollipops was disappointing. What happened to this place over the last few months? Back in October they had a few great looking stand outs, but I've seen nothing this time. So out of habit I go into Bangkok Bunnies. This place has really gone downhill for me. And tonight there are a few that shouldn't even be working there. I agree. Lollipop went downhill badly compared to visit a few months back. Bars change so quickly especially if have not got enough customers. Suggest Billboard is better for slim models right now or try Doll House in Cowboy. Be Bunnies had about 3 hot model types at my last visit, all occupied by the same guy.
Lollipop was a favourite bar for me somewhere in the mid 90's when they had some naked girls, some with big naturals (also Pretty Lady next door) LOL.
FormulaOneFan
04-13-18, 06:55
Billboard had a large number of attractive slim girls when I was there a few weeks ago.
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There was a Starbucks at the corner of Soi 5 and Sukhumvit? Where the McDonald's is now? When was that? Can't recall it.
Anyway, most of the time there are SWs on Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and 5 in the morning. However quality is low usually. The Starbucks is a couple of doors down from the McDonalds, which is on the absolute corner of Suk Soi 5. Close enough of a location description.
I have had some luck on morning walks around lower Suk spotting rather attractive ladies heading towards the BTS after their overnight LT dates. Found money for them, and ST takes care of the morning wood for me. This is the exception though, not the rule.
And yes; there are the usual early morning SW skanks basically from near NP around to Suk Soi 5. Not my cup of tea but YMMV.
SL.
Banana Boi
04-13-18, 14:37
Is April 16 songkran free or will there still be idiots spraying water at people a day after songkran ends?
Same question for April 20 in Pattaya?
By afterlife I don't mean the life after physical expiration date, I am referring to life after end of "easily marketable" age, say 35 years. It is quite rare to see to working girls after they reach 30/32 so I am not sure what do they do afterwards. It is not easy for anyone to forget easy money and go back to harsh normal work which pays a fraction of what these women made earlier. While working in this profession, they hardly upgrade their skills which will help them enter workforce.
So what do they do after age of 35?
Go back to Isaan and look after their daughters who are likely teenagers by that time and ready to enter the profession?
Find a gullible, rural Thai guy who has no inkling of their past or does not care anyways?
Or do they live with the family but alone without a male spouse?
Can someone please enlighten me?
Walked through Soi Cowboy about 9 and was sorely underwhelmed. Am I getting that picky or is it really that lame so early in the night? Went into Long Gun and no one was naked or even topless. Completely dead, nothing worth staying for. Shark had one or two that were not bad. Hardly any coyote's out. I guess Songkran has got a lot of them going out of town this weekend. Crazy Horse didn't even have upstairs open yet, and I managed to walk through that club without touching a single thing. About half the girls were naked.
Baccara was of course the best, but even there the standard seemed lower, I guess because of the holiday. #174 was a petite, short, big fake breasted cutie, with a Uma Thurman, Pulp Fiction bob-with-bangs hair style; some Japanese guy snatched her up quick.
So. I started to walk back and figured I'd maybe take a scrub from the Nana sign for 1500. I mean, hell, that's what USD $48?
But. I figured I'd stop in Thermae. What the heck!
NOW, my history with Thermae is that the first time I ever went there I got rejected, OUT RIGHT, by the first 3 girls I tried to talk to. The third was a group of three, so technically you could say the first 5. I didn't let it falter me, I've read enough about it to know. The one I did end up taking home, was hot, but seemed like she wanted to be anywhere but there. But that's PAST history.
So anyway, I was kind of surprised, at 1. How packed it was again and 2. The amount of girls who were going out of their way to make eye contact and flirt with me. Man, it IS getting tough out! So I started to narrow it down and finally went with this very short petite girl with what looked like a nice rack. One of those mesh shirts on. Seriously, without heels she might not have even been 5 feet tall. Her name was a cross between noon and none, that I couldn't seem to pronounce right. And she was a real sweetheart.
BUT. She had some baby damage, and did CBJ instead of BBBJ. 2500, which is 1000 more than the scrubs in front of Nana, but. Did I mention she was a sweetheart?
Very into it, very playful, the cutest little bity ass I've ever seen, and a really tiny punami. I guess that's the one drawback of Thermae, is you don't get any kind of preview. Still. She was fun.
Maybe it's time to finally try one of the high end massage places.
Crazy4Thai
04-14-18, 05:04
By afterlife I don't mean the life after physical expiration date, I am referring to life after end of "easily marketable" age, say 35 years. It is quite rare to see to working girls after they reach 30/32 so I am not sure what do they do afterwards. It is not easy for anyone to forget easy money and go back to harsh normal work which pays a fraction of what these women made earlier. While working in this profession, they hardly upgrade their skills which will help them enter workforce.
So what do they do after age of 35?
Go back to Isaan and look after their daughters who are likely teenagers by that time and ready to enter the profession?
Find a gullible, rural Thai guy who has no inkling of their past or does not care anyways?
Or do they live with the family but alone without a male spouse?
Can someone please enlighten me?I'm not sure how you arrived at this. Maybe you only hang out in the gogos. There are many women still working in their 30's and 40's. I am amazed at the quality of a few in that range who have never had kids. I mostly frequent bars where I can play pool. The younger women are the exception in these bars. As to what they do when they do hang it up? There must be many different answers to this. IMO their first choice would be to retire to their village with their own ATM.
So what do they do after age of 35?
Pretend to be 27.
I saw a girl dancing naked in 5 Star. I would estimate at least 50 based on the face. I did not like her that much, but had to admit her body was in quite good condition. Body only, she could pass for 32 or less.
A lot of Oily MPs will be packed with mothers over 30, and quite a lot over 35. I would guess. My GF looks extremely hot for me coming up to 39. 10 years ago she was a bit too skinny, but perfect now. Wow her fabulous full peach ass no sag with nice gap under! Obviously her face cannot be same standard as when 27, but still good enough.
Some girls are wrecked by age 27 and others are fabulous at 37. It varies so much. I don't have an age prejudice. Just depends how good a girl looks. I know another girl 52 who passes for 35. Face has almost zero wrinkles. Hardly any sun exposure all her life most likely.
I know a girl at Crazy House bar, aged 21. Has been hooking at least 4 to 5 years, virtually since the bar opened. At one time hardly worked, living on her savings. Now the savings are gone. Hard to imagine what her future is. She does not want to work hard, maybe she will get a nice Farang sponser if he can handle her eccentricities, and shyness. All she has going for her really is a great slim body, good face, and an energetic fuck, and no baby (that at least is a smart move). At one time her BF was a gogo bar DJ. That was not smart. She does not need a BF that cannot support her.
Walked through Soi Cowboy about 9 and was sorely underwhelmed. Am I getting that picky or is it really that lame so early in the night? Went into Long Gun and no one was naked or even topless. Completely dead, nothing worth staying for. 9 PM is normally ideal time. Yeh sure it's dead for Songkran. Long Gun is currently one of the really crappy bars for my taste. Too many thick girls. Heard a rumour that sister bar Raw Hide maybe better. Shark normally has quite a few Coyotes and was packed out on a recent visit on a Tuesday. I thought the Coyotes in Doll House were more plentiful and overall better standard, and cheaper to BF (that was a more than a week ago). Try also Billboard in Nana (after Songkran is finished).
Baccara bar does not appeal to me as much, as stage is too packed, meaning it is hard to be able to see the few non surgeries girls properly, unless in exactly the right spot. 90%+ of girls do not appeal (same in any bar). I did BF successfully there in the distant past though.
Have not BFed from Crazy H this year. So it went downhill a lot.
Is April 16 songkran free or will there still be idiots spraying water at people a day after songkran ends?
Same question for April 20 in pattaya?It appears that this year Songkran has been extended officially by a couple of days. Unclear though what that means for the water splashers. Hopefully they will tire of it by Monday, it really is a pain to get around without getting wet (taxi is the only sure thing for me, I was splashed several times yesterday on the back of motorbikes).
I'll be in Pattaya for a few days that includes the last couple of Songkran days so I asked about Pattaya also on another forum, and was told by some expats that 20th should be water free. Not totally convinced, to be honest.
Is April 16 songkran free or will there still be idiots spraying water at people a day after songkran ends?
Same question for April 20 in pattaya?Don't know for sure, but today (Saturday) was a lot more subdued than the last two days.
Never mind. A late start. It's kicking into high gear now.
Is April 16 songkran free or will there still be idiots spraying water at people a day after songkran ends?
Same question for April 20 in pattaya?Every year Songkran has a death toll. Drunks are biggest problem. Driving accidents are high. Don't worry about the water, but carry wallet and phone in sealable plastic bags till it is safe. Stay away from the "stupidest" areas.
I don't think we can predict behaviour of idiots too well. As a man, at least you are relatively safe from gropers.
Walked down to Soi 14 to check out Som's Haven. Not a good looking selection out front, so I passed. Lollipop off Soi 10 had three guys drinking at the outside bar, which told me a lot, but no one looked decent there either. Off Soi 8, the (Name that Can't Be Written) had a blow up pool out front, but no one I was interested in seeing and so, what has proven for me as the better of all the spots, was once again, Kasalong.
Sort of.
I chose a younger looking girl out front, who seemed annoyed that I picked her. It was between her and one other younger attractive girl (who wouldn't make eye contact), and one other that was actually kind of uni-girl looking that actually was TRYING to get me to pick her.
So why in the hell would I choose the one who seemed most annoyed to service me?
Maybe I'm fucked up.
Well the service was outstanding!
She went at it like she wanted to make me pop as quickly as possible, but she did it right. Started at the hanging boys, giving them good attention, and then working her way up to a slobbery bob. All the more enjoyable as I tipped her 200 to be fully nude (one of the things they don't automatically give you there) Her body was all natural and she even had a small patch of pubic hair. Oh my! All the more enjoyable as I knew she didn't really want to do it!
How fucked up is that?
Afterward's as she cleaned my cock, I asked her name and she mumbled something, so I asked if she said, "Bee?" And still without making eye contact, nodded like 'yeah, yeah, sure, that's it'. What a little btch! LOL.
Still, for $30. It's kinda hot! God I love Bangkok.
I'm goin' with the Uni girl next time though. We'll see if I like it as much.
Hi Breadman. I remain curious about why you posted this comment. Did you encounter a WG from the night / week / month / year before at a bar? An elevator stop?
Dive in here!It's pretty obvious that it happened to the lady I was escorting up to my room. Bank of elevators and a guy gets out of one, looks back and does a double take at my girl and calls out her name. She looks and runs full speed into the elevator. Everybody went their own way and things quickly got down to business. Now had he walked out of our elevator and stopped us from going on our way things would have ended differently. I would have stepped between him and ended any conversation. I wouldn't have initiated anything but would have dealt with any intrusion as the situation developed.
Things could have gone much differently had he intruded on people more prone to violence (there was another guy with me). So calling out a girls name in front of two drunk guys who might take insult to the intrusion might have ended with the guy paying a trip to the hospital. Same goes for calling out to a girl who's with two local guys.
It's pretty obvious that it happened to the lady I was escorting up to my room. Bank of elevators and a guy gets out of one, looks back and does a double take at my girl and calls out her name.......She probably told him he was her one and only and he was smitten with her. Poor fool!
So why in the hell would I choose the one who seemed most annoyed to service me?
Maybe I'm fucked up.
Well the service was outstanding!
She went at it like she wanted to make me pop as quickly as possible, but she did it right. Started at the hanging boys, giving them good attention, and then working her way up to a slobbery bob. All the more enjoyable as I tipped her 200 to be fully nude (one of the things they don't automatically give you there) Her body was all natural and she even had a small patch of pubic hair. Oh my! All the more enjoyable as I knew she didn't really want to do it!
How fucked up is that?
She can't resist the money.
Look being reluctant could be a special tactic to get more customers. LOL Alternatively, it was just not her turn, and she was resting for a bit, lazy to take the next dude so soon.
Anyway, you liked her. That is the main point. Not fucked up at all. Maybe if you repeat her, she might even be more keen next time.
Probably was the turn of the eager one. However I never pick a girl just because she seems too eager. It may not correlate to performance at all. I prefer a girl with more natural reactions, even maybe looking a bit bored.
Any time I get a really good girl, for sure next time I will want a full service if possible, even though costs more. Maybe I am guy that likes to do, and just sitting back and getting blown is not quite my thing. My last Kasalong girl was Amporn and she performed well, so I immediately upgraded to get her naked and screw her. Nice tight pussy too, and very nice natural tits. Maybe does not use it enough (the pussy).
Every year Songkran has a death toll. Drunks are biggest problem. Driving accidents are high. Don't worry about the water, but carry wallet and phone in sealable plastic bags till it is safe. Stay away from the "stupidest" areas.
Sometimes the stupidest areas are out in the country roads. A young Thai man from the local village (has a young wife and baby) was killed riding motorcycle on the main highway. Not in Bangkok. Was found dead with his innards hanging out. He may have been drunk, going too fast, lights not working, who knows? May have been hit by drunk trunk driver going to fast. The other party involved was not found. Many accident victims may well be left to die rather than call an ambulance.
I was advised to not try to drive somewhere on the main roads yesterday. Too dangerous. Stayed home. Not sure if Bangkok is just as dangerous from drunks. Plenty of Thais were so drunk, they just fell off their motorcycles and got banged up.
Yesterday Bangkok Post reported the Thailand road toll after 3 days was 188 dead and 10 times more injured. As a percentage of population , that is still low, I guess. Country town toll percentage of population can be worse. Chiangmai was rated one of the worst.
Causes are reported to be drink driving and speed. 79% involved motorcycles. 80% killed were drivers.
Lessons are so easy. Songkran is danger time. Don't drive after drinking. Don't go on motorcycles at any speed during Songkran and not on major roads or where speed is possible. Beware many other drivers will be drunk and behaving stupidly. Use a taxi.
The issue with Songkran is not really getting doused in water. That is a minor thing.
Alternatively, it was just not her turn, and she was resting for a bit, lazy to take the next dude so soon.
Anyway, you liked her. That is the main point. Not fucked up at all. Maybe if you repeat her, she might even be more keen next time.
Probably was the turn of the eager one. However I never pick a girl just because she seems too eager. It may not correlate to performance at all. I prefer a girl with more natural reactions, even maybe looking a bit bored.
The "not her turn" conclusion is far and away the most likely reason a girl or girls sitting outside a BJ Bar don't look up from their phone, seem sullen or indifferent when a customer approaches. They have a queue system of their own. It would not do for a girl who is not up at bat for the next pitch to wink, smile too broadly and indicate any interest in the very next customer who walks up unless it is fairly well understood or obvious by some other interaction between you and that girl that you are a repeat of hers (or might be).
Of course, the customer can ignore the Bar's queue system and choose any girl he wants. Even if she is seen walking down those stairs inside the Bar with a customer she just finished and therefore logically last in the queue for the next customer.
Has anyone noticed the girl you just had upstairs will rarely if ever step outside with you as she bids you farewell? She is so far back in the queue at that moment she dare not be seen by any passerby who might scoop her up next and really tick off the girls who have been patiently waiting for a taker in the outdoor elements.
The "not her turn" conclusion is far and away the most likely reason a girl or girls sitting outside a BJ Bar don't look up from their phone, seem sullen or indifferent when a customer approaches. They have a queue system of their own. It would not do for a girl who is not up at bat for the next pitch to wink, smile too broadly and indicate any interest in the very next customer who walks up unless it is fairly well understood or obvious by some other interaction between you and that girl that you are a repeat of hers (or might be).
Yes spot on. Even the ugly hags are supposed to get a share of the customers, being the "weak dudes" who would not dare to choose. Even Tulip will assign some horrible girl unless you stop them. LOL.
I once was at SOL, and some ugly old hag / bag wants to blow me. I said no thanks I will choose. She then argued with me that for a BBBJ, it makes absolutely no difference the girl looks appealing or not. Purely based on skills. Sorry to say her argument is absolutely wrong for me, who wants more than just a BJ. I could just wank myself instead for free, if I did not need a girl making some degree of excitement. I don't want to have to put a bag over her head. LOL I always preferred my SOL girls to be nude, and if not pretty, then at least not hideous.
I once was at SOL, and some ugly old hag / bag wants to blow me. I said no thanks I will choose. She then argued with me that for a BBBJ, it makes absolutely no difference the girl looks appealing or not. Purely based on skills. Sorry to say her argument is absolutely wrong for me, who wants more than just a BJ. I could just wank myself instead for free, if I did not need a girl making some degree of excitement. I don't want to have to put a bag over her head. LOL.Well, maybe you could put a bag over your head LOLOLOL! Did she try that line of argument? Hahaha!
Yes spot on. Even the ugly hags are supposed to get a share of the customers, being the "weak dudes" who would not dare to choose. Even Tulip will assign some horrible girl unless you stop them. LOL.
I once was at SOL, and some ugly old hag / bag wants to blow me. I said no thanks I will choose. She then argued with me that for a BBBJ, it makes absolutely no difference the girl looks appealing or not. Purely based on skills. Sorry to say her argument is absolutely wrong for me, who wants more than just a BJ. I could just wank myself instead for free, if I did not need a girl making some degree of excitement. I don't want to have to put a bag over her head. LOL I always preferred my SOL girls to be nude, and if not pretty, then at least not hideous.Ah yes. The old "it doesn't matter how they look for a BJ" argument. We definitely agree that one does not really apply for everyone. Although I would go further in saying an attractive face is even more important for a BJ than for FS, especially when going for FS is not on the agenda.
BTW, I believe there are some exceptions to the "it's not her turn" issue we mentioned.
There is, for example, sometimes a lady at Kasalong that wears the same uniform as the others, sits outside with the other girls, wears glasses, is a bit older and less attracive than the others but who seems more often than not to be the one who waves over passersby, inviting them to go inside, making the pitch that this is a BJ Bar and so on. Clearly she is not always next up as often as she speaks up.
So I think there is an unspoken understanding among the girls, doubt they ever had an official discussion meeting about it, that this lady is chosen by customers so infrequently that she can be trusted to be a spokesperson for the place without taking customers away from the other girls. In which case she might even gesture to the girl who is next in queue first as if to help you select a girl.
Except, as in the case you mentioned, where the guy is too shy to hold his ground to choose another girl and just goes along with the spokeslerson.
There used to be a lady like that at L0litas too.
She then argued with me that for a BBBJ, it makes absolutely no difference the girl looks appealing or not. Purely based on skills. Sorry to say her argument is absolutely wrong for meI know an Indian guy who says the same about sex. He says it isn't worth paying money for sex because "it's just a hole" and sex with any female is the same regardless of her looks or age.
Carpaccio18
04-16-18, 00:24
Ah yes. The old "it doesn't matter how they look for a BJ" argument. We definitely agree that one does not really apply for everyone. Although I would go further in saying an attractive face is even more important for a BJ than for FS, especially when going for FS is not on the agenda.
BTW, I believe there are some exceptions to the "it's not her turn" issue we mentioned.
There is, for example, sometimes a lady at Kasalong that wears the same uniform as the others, sits outside with the other girls, wears glasses, is a bit older and less attracive than the others but who seems more often than not to be the one who waves over passersby, inviting them to go inside, making the pitch that this is a BJ Bar and so on. Clearly she is not always next up as often as she speaks up.
So I think there is an unspoken understanding among the girls, doubt they ever had an official discussion meeting about it, that this lady is chosen by customers so infrequently that she can be trusted to be a spokesperson for the place without taking customers away from the other girls. In which case she might even gesture to the girl who is next in queue first as if to help you select a girl.
Except, as in the case you mentioned, where the guy is too shy to hold his ground to choose another girl and just goes along with the spokeslerson.
There used to be a lady like that at L0litas too.My take on this is simple. As I approach L0 litas walking down the side soi I check out the girls, I totally ignore any greetings from others and simply nod or point to the girl I want. Theres never any debate on who I should choose. If there aren't any girls I either know as giving good service or appeal to me, I pass by and check out Kasalong around the corner.
On a note I never actually went into Kasalong, seemed to me the girls are too old or unattractive. Or maybe I just go there at the wrong times.
My take on this is simple. As I approach L0 litas walking down the side soi I check out the girls, I totally ignore any greetings from others and simply nod or point to the girl I want. Theres never any debate on who I should choose. If there aren't any girls I either know as giving good service or appeal to me, I pass by and check out Kasalong around the corner.
On a note I never actually went into Kasalong, seemed to me the girls are too old or unattractive. Or maybe I just go there at the wrong times.Quite likely. If anything, the Kasalong girls are on average better looking than Lolytas, allowing for the fact that I probably hardly notice the last good looking ones, naturally concentrating on those doable. After trying Amporn at Kasilong, on the way out I spotted a prettier girl (wasn't available originally). Line ups always vary of course and best girls may be busy. To really know the line up you would have to hang around for 30 minutes or so, perhaps longer. LOL Girls available should be mostly outside if is not too hot.
In Lolytas I only ever selected Anne in recent years (long gone now). Anne was a blonde "schoolgirl" with very hot ass, on display as she went up the stairs. First time I met her she was hiding behind other girls with her face looking down. I was undeterred to choose her. She turned out to be a pretty good GFE for FS, so never changed to another girl (and the others were not slim enough nor pretty enough). I did not care if her BBBJ was the best or not (hampered a bit by teeth braces).
In former times when I used to attend Dr. BJ, they seemed to have about 3 slim attractive girls. Now it is Wood bar I have not been recently.
Well, maybe you could put a bag over your head LOLOLOL! Did she try that line of argument? Hahaha!Quite right, a bag over her head would impede the BBBJ, so I did not suggest it.
Applesauce
04-16-18, 16:43
The "not her turn" conclusion is far and away the most likely reason a girl or girls sitting outside a BJ Bar don't look up from their phone, seem sullen or indifferent when a customer approaches. They have a queue system of their own. It would not do for a girl who is not up at bat for the next pitch to wink, smile too broadly and indicate any interest in the very next customer who walks up unless it is fairly well understood or obvious by some other interaction between you and that girl that you are a repeat of hers (or might be).A lot of Asian sex shops / massages / incalls / businesses do this. It's to allow all the girls to make money and to be as fair as they can. The mamasans promote sharing the wealth. I've seen this happen at Asian shops around the world. The other exception is if the girl has regular customers that the other girls know about and then will call for that girl or won't go with that customer unless the original girl okays it. The downside about this for us guys is that it can sometimes become difficult to try a different girl at the same shop.
The other exception is if the girl has regular customers that the other girls know about and then will call for that girl or won't go with that customer unless the original girl okays it. The downside about this for us guys is that it can sometimes become difficult to try a different girl at the same shop.Difficulty maybe illusionary.
Where did you experience that? I have seen difficulties between bargirls re stealing another girl's customer, but never experienced anything like that at an MP. Too many ISG members always want to try a different girl anyway. Many Thai men in a Soapy, say they always change girls since they don't want to get attached to anyone. I always tried different girls in an MP any time I felt like it (more often in Soapies perhaps). I tended not to use a lot of different girls at some Oilies, but always the choice was there.
In Suzie Wong bar I probably had 15 different girls over time, and often two at a time. Crazy House, I often changed girls. Guys get known for changing girls, trying girls. No big deal. Favourite girls can get their "nose out of joint", trying to preserve their money feeders. Too bad.
I can never resist a new girl way more stunning than all the others, if the chemistry is working at all.
I'm not sure how you arrived at this. Maybe you only hang out in the gogos. There are many women still working in their 30's and 40's. I am amazed at the quality of a few in that range who have never had kids. I mostly frequent bars where I can play pool. The younger women are the exception in these bars. As to what they do when they do hang it up? There must be many different answers to this. IMO their first choice would be to retire to their village with their own ATM.Some are certainly working till they can, I even had a 48 year old!. But most seem to fall off the grid after 30/32.
And while retiring in their village with their pvt ATM is ideal dream, I don't think even 5% girls manage to find customers like that. I wonder what most of them do specially because most is an women I have been have told me, repeatedly, that they don't want another Thai man in their life.
Some are certainly working till they can, I even had a 48 year old!. But most seem to fall off the grid after 30/32.
And while retiring in their village with their pvt ATM is ideal dream, I don't think even 5% girls manage to find customers like that. I wonder what most of them do specially because most is an women I have been have told me, repeatedly, that they don't want another Thai man in their life.Perhaps they already have one. LOL Or maybe already 3 kids. So what will they do, get a Foreign monger? Will he be better than the Thai man? They all just want a fuck, and then will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. We already stated that a monger would be stupid to select a hooker for a GF. Reverse is also true, to a lesser extent.
The big difference is the Thai boy is much more likely to get her pregnant, because he just doesn't care, or someone does not want to pay for birth control. The parents should be forcing young girls to be on some birth control, whether they think she is a little angel or not.
I think quite a lot of hookers were starting in their late 20's and early 30's, due to being dumped by Thai man and left to support the kids. Not all gogo girls and masseuses start as teenagers.
I would be surprised if massage shops girls under 30 are as much as 50% of them. I now some shops try to have younger girls, but I also see so many shops with mostly older girls.
What I would like to know, is what percentage of Thai girls will run amok, fighting, scratching, yelling and screaming, when drunk and pissed off about something? I have known the odd one or two. I suspect it is a much higher percentage than in the Farang women world. However interested in general opinions. This is behaviour that Farangs don't tolerate too well, right? Yes I know guys do it too, but that was not the question.
Does the evil ghost / spirit emerge from Thai women more than in Farangs, particularly when control is released by alcohol? Is violence and screaming more accepted in Thai society families? I compare with Farangs, since I am one and that is what I am more used to.
Quite likely. If anything, the Kasalong girls are on average better looking than Lolytas, allowing for the fact that I probably hardly notice the last good looking ones, naturally concentrating on those doable. After trying Amporn at Kasilong, on the way out I spotted a prettier girl (wasn't available originally). Line ups always vary of course and best girls may be busy. To really know the line up you would have to hang around for 30 minutes or so, perhaps longer. LOL Girls available should be mostly outside if is not too hot.
In Lolytas I only ever selected Anne in recent years (long gone now). Anne was a blonde "schoolgirl" with very hot ass, on display as she went up the stairs. First time I met her she was hiding behind other girls with her face looking down. I was undeterred to choose her. She turned out to be a pretty good GFE for FS, so never changed to another girl (and the others were not slim enough nor pretty enough). I did not care if her BBBJ was the best or not (hampered a bit by teeth braces).
In former times when I used to attend Dr. BJ, they seemed to have about 3 slim attractive girls. Now it is Wood bar I have not been recently.I remember her. A few winters ago, I would see her most nights with her head down as I walked by the shop. I could never get eye contact and finally gave up. One night I went to the little Aussie steak house across the alley from Loly's And noticed her standing outside the shop and again she ignored my presence. When I finished my meal and left for Soi 8, I felt a tap on her shoulder, and lo and behold, it was little Annie asking me if I was interested in her services. I readily agreed though she said it was BJ only, no extra services on tap. We went upstairs and had a luxurious BJ with a very sexy girl. Great memory. I never saw her there again and was told a farang had enticed her to move in with him somewhere in that neighborhood. As an aside, I think if you took away the blond hair, she might appear quite ordinary but she had tremendous sex appeal with that cute blond page boy look.
Some are certainly working till they can, I even had a 48 year old!. But most seem to fall off the grid after 30/32.
And while retiring in their village with their pvt ATM is ideal dream, I don't think even 5% girls manage to find customers like that. I wonder what most of them do specially because most is an women I have been have told me, repeatedly, that they don't want another Thai man in their life.They might as well say that since it is highly unlikely that a Thai man would be interested in establishing a serious or longterm relationship with the kind of Thai woman who has worked the P4P scene, is at, over or approaching 30 years old and a host of other issues that makes the lady essentially done and done in that regard in Thai culture and society. Oh, I know there are rare anecdotal exceptions. And I am not talking a 1-2 time hook up for sex or with a dumpster diver dude who will shack up with any Thai lady just to get in out of the rain.
But almost no Thai lady will assume she will be gifted in her life with one of those rare exceptions. She will assume, correctly the vast majority of times, her days of moving in with, being supported by or marrying a Thai man are over.
If she is a single mom? Forget it. Very few if any decent Thai men will take on the responsibility of someone else's child.
And it isn't just ex-P4P girls approaching 30 with or without kids who are no longer of interest to Thai men.
If she is more highly educated and speaks English well, much more so than the Thai men she meets? Forget it. Most female Thai nurses, teachers and the like couldn't get a date with a suitableThai man if they threatened him with a gun.
A 30-something Thai single mom (with a 7-8 year old kid) nurse or teacher, even a hot one, will be about the most desperate creature on any online dating site to find a good hearted Farang gentleman who will accept her as she is. It has likely been the conception of that child since she has had sex of any kind if she had been holding out for a Thai man to enter into her life before she eventually made peace with the idea of meeting and dating a Farang.
YetAnotherGuy
04-17-18, 22:01
Very brief observations from a recent stay in Bangkok:
I had much better luck finding nice, pretty girls in Nana than Cowboy, so I spent the majority of my time there.
Butterflies is one of my favorites, as it has the best lap dances in Nana. Geak (#412) is very sweet and very sexy. Her sexiness isn't learned, she's one of the rare girls who is a natural. Be nice, and she'll respond the same. Her spirited and sexy friend is also a lot of fun, probably a good threesome.
Twister is still my favorite, though I wish the beautiful and busty #8 would barfine. There are plenty of other good options, though.
Things move quickly at Billboard, sometimes too fast for me. I've found it's best to get there early; it's amazing how many girls disappear (presumably barfined) between 8 and 9. To me, the bath girls seem more attractive than the rotating stage girls, so I try to find a spot with a good view of them. At least one of them is in the drop dead beautiful category, in my opinion, though she's not always there and disappears early when she is.
Rainbow 5 (next to twister) has some promising girls, maybe quite to the same extent as the clubs above, but definitely worth a visit. It stays very active (and packed) until very late.
A strategy I sometimes used was to arrive early, as I found that at each club the couple of really striking girls would often be gone by 9 or shortly after. Though sometimes it's more fun to linger for hours and buy drinks.
Engine Driver
04-18-18, 02:08
What I would like to know, is what percentage of Thai girls will run amok, fighting, scratching, yelling and screaming, when drunk and pissed off about something? I have known the odd one or two. I suspect it is a much higher percentage than in the Farang women world. However interested in general opinions. This is behaviour that Farangs don't tolerate too well, right? Yes I know guys do it too, but that was not the question.
Does the evil ghost / spirit emerge from Thai women more than in Farangs, particularly when control is released by alcohol? Is violence and screaming more accepted in Thai society families? I compare with Farangs, since I am one and that is what I am more used to.This is common not just to Thai women, but also to Filipinas, Malay and Indonesian women. It's all about maintaining control and giving ultimatums if they don't get their way. No one stamped out this behaviour in the formative years of their lives, so these women have been allowed to carry on like spoilt brats. Associated with this is the sulking or silent treatment which the woman gives the man. In Tagalog it is called tampo.
Having lived in the west all my life, it is not so prevalent amongst white women. They have other ways of showing their displeasure.
This is common not just to Thai women, but also to Filipinas, Malay and Indonesian women. It's all about maintaining control and giving ultimatums if they don't get their way. No one stamped out this behaviour in the formative years of their lives, so these women have been allowed to carry on like spoilt brats. Associated with this is the sulking or silent treatment which the woman gives the man. In Tagalog it is called tampo.
Having lived in the west all my life, it is not so prevalent amongst white women. They have other ways of showing their displeasure.True words. My wife is Indo and she used to give ultimatums until I called her bluff and offered to buy her a one way ticket back home. She still sulks and gives me the silent treatment, which I don't mind LOL. I don't know why it is not knocked out of them as kids but it is childish.
TallDarkUsa
04-18-18, 03:11
Very brief observations from a recent stay in Bangkok:
I had much better luck finding nice, pretty girls in Nana than Cowboy, so I spent the majority of my time there.
Butterflies is one of my favorites, as it has the best lap dances in Nana. Geak (#412) is very sweet and very sexy. Her sexiness isn't learned, she's one of the rare girls who is a natural. Be nice, and she'll respond the same. Her spirited and sexy friend is also a lot of fun, probably a good threesome.
Twister is still my favorite, though I wish the beautiful and busty #8 would barfine. There are plenty of other good options, though.
Things move quickly at Billboard, sometimes too fast for me. I've found it's best to get there early; it's amazing how many girls disappear (presumably barfined) between 8 and 9. To me, the bath girls seem more attractive than the rotating stage girls, so I try to find a spot with a good view of them. At least one of them is in the drop dead beautiful category, in my opinion, though she's not always there and disappears early when she is.
Rainbow 5 (next to twister) has some promising girls, maybe quite to the same extent as the clubs above, but definitely worth a visit. It stays very active (and packed) until very late.
A strategy I sometimes used was to arrive early, as I found that at each club the couple of really striking girls would often be gone by 9 or shortly after. Though sometimes it's more fun to linger for hours and buy drinks.What Soi is Twister and Butterflies located on. I often walk Soi 11 but can not find the spots you have mentioned (Twisters, Butterflies, Billiards, Rainbow5).
Engine Driver
04-18-18, 06:44
True words. My wife is Indo and she used to give ultimatums until I called her bluff and offered to buy her a one way ticket back home. She still sulks and gives me the silent treatment, which I don't mind LOL. I don't know why it is not knocked out of them as kids but it is childish.Very good article below. It confirms that the anger and aggression in Thai women is about retaining control. She has too much to lose if the Farang leaves. Face, status, wealth.
http://thaigirl2004.********.com.au/2007/07/why-are-thai-women-so-explosive.html
The hidden word is blog spot
Ah yes. The old "it doesn't matter how they look for a BJ" argument. We definitely agree that one does not really apply for everyone. Although I would go further in saying an attractive face is even more important for a BJ than for FS, especially when going for FS is not on the agenda.
BTW, I believe there are some exceptions to the "it's not her turn" issue we mentioned.
There is, for example, sometimes a lady at Kasalong that wears the same uniform as the others, sits outside with the other girls, wears glasses, is a bit older and less attracive than the others but who seems more often than not to be the one who waves over passersby, inviting them to go inside, making the pitch that this is a BJ Bar and so on. Clearly she is not always next up as often as she speaks up.
So I think there is an unspoken understanding among the girls, doubt they ever had an official discussion meeting about it, that this lady is chosen by customers so infrequently that she can be trusted to be a spokesperson for the place without taking customers away from the other girls. In which case she might even gesture to the girl who is next in queue first as if to help you select a girl.
Except, as in the case you mentioned, where the guy is too shy to hold his ground to choose another girl and just goes along with the spokeslerson.
There used to be a lady like that at L0litas too.I remember her. Haven't been there for a year or so. She looked like a librarian or school teacher. Ha. Actually I tried her, and she wasn't bad in service terms. And she wasn't bad looking, just older.
TrueBlue666
04-18-18, 07:42
I don't post reports often, so panda with me.
Day #1 (4-13):
Landed at 0230-ish so I just made it straight for the hotel and crashed. Songkran was in full swing, so I decided to use Smooci rather than head to a bar / club. Booked February because of the reviews. She looks more or less like the photos. Honestly, there's nothing to say about the experience. Nothing stood out, everything was meh. I can't say it was mechanical, but it definitely wasn't warm, either. Not good, not bad, just meh. I wasn't even mad that she left early (after the deed), she asked me to, and I was totally fine with her leaving. If you want standard mostly unremarkable service, have at it.
Day #2 (4-14):
I'm lodged super close to Soi Cowboy, so I decided to head there 'round 2100, Songkran or no. I hit Baccara first. Dear god, I always forget how much of a Japanese trap that place is; it was so smokey and packed to the gills. I was one of two / three farangs on the first floor. Still, the Japanese are responsible for creating everything that I love, so they can have it. So, I was snubbed by three girls for being white (at one point, the waitress literally pointed at my skin, which had me actually laugh-choke on my beer). S'all good, so after about an hour of enjoying the show and drinking super slowly (to the annoyance of the waitress) I bounced and walked over to Crazy House about 2230. Nothing on stage worth writing home about. I asked for one of the gals, but she either already had a customer or did not take farangs; I didn't care enough to pay attention to the reason. I assume it was due to the holiday. The Japanese gentleman next to me almost passed out on my shoulder drunk, so I decided to move on, the waitress was about to walk over to demand that I buy another drink anyways.
I decided to give up on SC and move on to Nana. Went straight for Billboard, got there about midnight. I think. Forgive me on this, I can't remember the girls' numbers. I can't remember details like that ever. First attempt was with a slightly shorter (Thai girl standards) gal with massive breasts (looked to be the largest in the lineup) on the carousel who was about 23, dark hair, not too long. She's pretty enough, and talking to her was actually enjoyable, which made me think we had built some manner of rapport. My mistake.. She wouldn't go back to my hotel, had to be one of those crappy short time joints and was only willing to go for a single romp if you'll forgive the term. I get that that's starting to be (or has been?) the norm but I'm not a fan. In either case, the negotiation shot everything (namely, the mood) to hell and I sent her back to the carousel. Two minutes later, I grabbed a girl from the hot tub side that I was sure I recognized from last November. Slim, tan (a bit on the darker side), small / medium breasts (for a Thai girl), young (I'd be shocked if she was 21), long frizzy hair, cute face, and a very energetic dancer. She stands out, you'd be able to tell if you saw her. If you like the legitimate girlfriend experience, she's perfect, though be warned that she's very playful (very energetic). Didn't recognize me at first, but after a small hint she was able to describe our first encounter step for step. By GFE here, I mean, she's always trying to drag me to restaurants, clubs, etc. And she's very friendly. She even invited me to come party with her and her friends in Pattaya for their Songkran festivities; I politely declined. She couldn't seem to care less about the passage of time, so not a clock watcher. If ya end up with her, please heed the "your mileage may vary" principle. She might just be particularly fond of me specifically, who knows; I'm about 28 and not the most attractive, but I have no idea how she'd act with an older gentleman. She seemed friendly enough when other dudes were buying her drinks. In the bedroom, she's a firecracker, tons of energy. If I had not wanted to move, I know she would have rode me to completion regardless. Damage is normally 2.5 k with her not including any additional tip, which she normally more than earns.
Day 3 & 4 (4-15 - 4-16).
Didn't feel like messing with SC this time, despite being literally one / two (depends how you count those weird side streets) away and went straight back to Billboard. Went early, 'round 2000, wanted the best seat in the house. It's that elevated couch right next to the bar, perfect view of both lineups. Didn't wait too long, grabbed a cutie from the hot tub side again, this time with medium / large bolt-ONS, heavy pale makeup, braces, a bunch of ear piercings, a couple of tattoos on her upper back, and a modified nose. I don't mean any of those things as a slight, I liked all of it, it worked for her. She's another one of those energetic dancers, and the energy bled right into our meeting. Killer smile, too. Literally could not ask for more. Really nice gal, but she's extremely blunt and says mean things in a playful way to get a rise out of you. If there are "issues" with your outward appearance, be aware that she will point them out to you at some point or another; she found all of mine. Again, I enjoyed her personality, so none of this was problematic. We didn't spend long in the bar, I took her back to my hotel pretty quickly, which she actually seemed enthusiastic about. This gal was amazing in bed. BBBJ like a champ, open to any position, enthusiastic riding, aggressive kisser, and moans in a way that'd get any man off. If you're into it, neither of these girls are into anal, don't bother asking, it's super awkward getting back in the mood, haha. We tumbled twice, which she wasn't thrilled about going at it a second time at first (she was still worn out), but she got right into it the second we started kissing again. I was so enthralled that I asked her if she wanted to do long time the following day. No complaints on her end, she seemed happy about it actually. Requested "tip" was 3 k, but I gave her more. Contributing to price inflation or not, she earned every penny.
The following day was more of the above in bed (long time), and the same in the morning. I took her to eat at the Hooters after I picked her up at Billboard, and the band was awesome. They killed covering Frank Sinatra (My Way), Michael Jackson (Billy Jean & one that escapes me), and a bunch of other hits. As far as you GFE enthusiasts go, she fits the bill. We had great conversations, assisted by google translate, and she was mean as hell but in a playful endearing way. After our final session the following morning, she actually hit me with "Hey, want to go get breakfast?" rather than taking the money and going on her merry way, which I was more than up for.
TL; DR:
One meh girl from smoochi, would not repeat.
Snubbed at Baccara.
Two great girls from Billboard, would definitely repeat.
-Obligatory "if you meet them, be kind" remark goes here. -.
If you enjoyed this, and you would like to help me out, I'm looking for info on younger than 25 gals (with a cute face, otherwise they're quite easy to find and I wouldn't be asking) that are cool with anal. Yes, I'm familiar with Snow White (I've had Candy), Cherry (Meh), Tullip (Old), etc. PM me, if you'd be so kind. Thank ya.
I remember her. Haven't been there for a year or so. She looked like a librarian or school teacher. Ha. Actually I tried her, and she wasn't bad in service terms. And she wasn't bad looking, just older.Yes, that was her look. And I agree she isn't bad looking, just older and more managerial seeming than provider seeming. I am not surprised that she would be more experienced and likely better at the job in a room than others. And there is nothing objectionable about her face for that purpose, imo, once the eyeglasses are off.
If she is more highly educated and speaks English well, much more so than the Thai men she meets? Forget it. Most female Thai nurses, teachers and the like couldn't get a date with a suitableThai man if they threatened him with a gun.LOL, this should be good for us but unfortunately we don't seem to run into these well educated girls quite often. All we get is silly uneducated ladies from Isan.
The big difference is the Thai boy is much more likely to get her pregnant, because he just doesn't care, or someone does not want to pay for birth control. The parents should be forcing young girls to be on some birth control, whether they think she is a little angel or not.
I think quite a lot of hookers were starting in their late 20's and early 30's, due to being dumped by Thai man and left to support the kids. Not all gogo girls and masseuses start as teenagers.
I would be surprised if massage shops girls under 30 are as much as 50% of them. I now some shops try to have younger girls, but I also see so many shops with mostly older girls.Agree. Most working girls I came across had pretty much the same story. Became pregnant at young age (18-20), got promptly dumped and had to become sex worker to take care of family and baby. More of a cultural thing I think. Thai men dumping them is part of reason. Then they work for few years in this line. One thing that always surprised me was how insistent these women were on living alone without a man for rest of their life.
I can not imagine they follow up on their insistence. I can't imagine life can be good for a former prostitute living alone in Isaan.
Or is it?
LOL, this should be good for us but unfortunately we don't seem to run into these well educated girls quite often. All we get is silly uneducated ladies from Isan.They do show up in the dating sites fairly often. Some of the better in bed Thai women I have been with over the past 5 years were the more highly educated, professionally successful ones looking for "Friendship, Romance/Dating, Marriage" on the dating sites, especially when it comes to oral skills.
Yep, talking about full on swallowers among the better looking 30 ish business managers, school teachers, nurses, etc single moms.
Shaved pussies and BB fucking are also much more readily agreed to and enthusiastically engaged in when you combine a better understanding of the relative safety of a vasectomy and a current Normal/Negative/Non-Reactive blood check document to show her as well as a natural tendency to be more open to great oral sex (both education related) with the even better understanding of how her days of having another serious relationship with a Thai man are over and she'd better start wrapping her mind around whatever it will take to keep a farang man with tons of younger options available to him interested.
What Soi is Twister and Butterflies located on. I often walk Soi 11 but can not find the spots you have mentioned (Twisters, Butterflies, Billiards, Rainbow5).They're all in Nana Plaza off of Soi 4.
I started off with a session at Dream Heaven Massage, but I'll go over that in the appropriate thread.
Nana Plaza was really dead throughout. Billboard had their fair share of dancers, though not their best, and not much of a crowd early (9 pm). Went looking for Margie at Bangkok Bunnies, didn't see her, and there was nothing else to choose from. Noticeable amount of plump girls working. Was going to check out Rainbow, but there's a Ladyboy who works over by there who is super aggressive and always molests me, so I try to stay away from that area. Went into Butterflies instead based upon a post here, and HOLY MOLEY!
On a dead Wednesday night in Nana, they had a good looking group of girls (all in white bikini's, which I liked), a well lit clean looking club, a decent crowd, a super hot hostess (I was practically dry humping her on the way out - 1500 BF, 3000ST, ugh), and an interesting set up. Buy a lady drink gets them off stage (normal), buy TWO more to keep them off stage when the next time comes around, and them actually grinding on you when they're sitting with you. Maybe not so unique, but they were pushing it. Ok. I enjoyed it for a bit. Essentially you're spending $10 US for a table dance; isn't that a Western thing?
It's smart if you think about it though. It keeps the guests and the ladies involved and interacting, and gives the guests more time to sample and decide. I kinda like it.
And one of these nights I'm going to bang that hostess.
So then after my massage session I decide to walk all the way back to Soi 4, but I stop off at Soi Cowboy.
It appears someone had a heart attack at The Dollhouse, as they were wheeling him out (older white guy) and loading him up in the Med Vehicle as I got there. Everyone seemed pretty indifferent about it, though it looks like a few of the girls got off work early. Crazy House, I was in for literally 15 seconds. EVERY single girl had clothing on. Bye. Butterflies comes up with a great idea to get more people in the door (and maybe more girls) and the genius' at CH do the opposite. That is NOT going to lure more people in.
Went in Cactus Club, because I saw it in a Thai movie I just watched, but ran out pretty fast. Saw that hot coyote in front of Midnite that I BF'd back in October. She doesn't look quite as hot. The Coyote's were out in much fuller force last night. Finally of course ended up at Baccara, my favorite place to just sit and drink.
I'm not Japanese, and wouldn't be confused as one in million years. The only two nationalities I get confused on is British and Australian. Yet I've NEVER had an issue in Baccara. I buy my water at the outdoor bar (180,20 tip) and sit at the low end of the bottom floor stage were I can more easily see up their skirts. No one bugs me, I usually don't even waste time buying a drink for anyone.
But last night I did. I've seen #248 a couple of times and thought she was adorably cute. I finally decided to chat with her, so I bought her a drink. Small boobs, but super cute, petite, with a flat belly, and great hair. Says her name is 'Jane' and she's been there 11 days. From WAY down south by Malaysia. Seemed inbetween on kissing, I think, it was hard to understand her. I was going to press further, but I didn't. Wanted a second drink to sit with me longer and started to seem impatient. Probably had a lot to do with it. Finally decided my one pop at the massage was far and away enough for the night, though she came close to making me try.
Sometimes sleep is the better choice.
It appears someone had a heart attack at The Dollhouse, as they were wheeling him out (older white guy) and loading him up in the Med Vehicle as I got there. Everyone seemed pretty indifferent about it, though it looks like a few of the girls got off work early. Brit Drops Dead In Soi Cowboy Bar:
https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/brit-drops-dead-soi-cowboy-bar/
Didn't feel like messing with SC this time, despite being literally one / two (depends how you count those weird side streets) away and went straight back to Billboard. Went early, 'round 2000, wanted the best seat in the house. It's that elevated couch right next to the bar, perfect view of both lineups..I agree. Best seat in BB. A bit dark as well and you're left pretty much alone with your girl when you sit there. Check out 77 if she's still working there. Name is Bam. Good girl, from what I have seen she only drinks orange juice and doesn't go for the 2 LD scam. Don't think she's A+ though. Not certain she's still as fit. Found that she gained some weight last time I've noticed her.
Yes, that was her look. And I agree she isn't bad looking, just older and more managerial seeming than provider seeming. I am not surprised that she would be more experienced and likely better at the job in a room than others. And there is nothing objectionable about her face for that purpose, imo, once the eyeglasses are off.Well said. However, Ha, I asked her to keep the glasses on, as I like that look. To each his own. And as I'm a slightly older guy her being older didn't bother me in the least.
I don't refer to the Dollhouse death. A lot of young slim hottie Coyotes in Doll House.
In fact nearly all bars with dancers in Cowboy now have Coyote girls. Barfine usually higher ranging from 1000 Baht to 3000 Baht or more. The Arab's bars have very high BFs and yet girls probably do not fuck (personal decision I guess). Arab bars have been reported to be ripping off customers with inflated drinks bills.
One LB bar Cockatoo, but secret LBs creeping into some other bars.
It maybe that only Crazy House and Bacarra have no Coyotes now. Some bars have very low standard Coyotes too. Even Shark now seems to lack many pretty Coyotes and has some very plain ones.
Checked out Rawhide late. Girls had sailor uniforms. Was so dark I could not see if faces were pretty or not. I forgot my glasses as well. LOL Standard of bodies looked higher than Long Gun with less fatties. Did not really like it. Short stay.
Number of bars with total nude dancing is getting limited and Crazy House line up has not been that good for a while. Did not BF there this year.
I think this decline overall can help out Nana which was struggling for some time with only a few bars busy. Billboard is obviously the top Nana bar going very well despite somewhat overly dark lighting for my taste. Bangkok Bunnies seems to be going OK. Girls more voluptuous than at Billboard. Billboard seems to be not taking fat girls in general.
Twisters was good at one time but its line up now looks well behind Billboard I think.
As always, I remind that I am biased towards slimmer non surgeries girls. The face surgeries look comes accross like alien to my eyes.
I went there 3 weeks ago in search of CIS ladies, in particular Uzbek. The club itself has a shitty crowd (mostly sleazy, cheap Indians), and staff that try to rip you off at every chance. But it had plenty of hot CIS ladies, which is what I was after. Took the same Uzbek lady for 3 nights in a row, for 6 K THB full night. She was excellent.
Are there any other places with CIS girls, or Arab girls in particular? I walked past Grace Hotel while I was with my Uzbek lady but didn't really explore too much as I was in a hurry to get back to the hotel, but I did spot an Arab looking lady standing outside. May be worth a look during my next trip to BKK which will be in 1 weeks time.
Cheers.
Cristopher
04-20-18, 10:41
I am going to Thailand for vacations this summer. It is a bachelor party and we are 7 friends. We want to go for a small trip through the country, but for having some fun with girls. What is better? Bangkok or Pattaya?
Are there any other places with CIS girls, or Arab girls in particular?
Cheers.Dude, I've already answered this specific query, regarding places to find CIS talent, raised by you earlier, in my post #41947 in this thread. Hope it helps. Also, I'd strongly recommend taking a trip to Pattaya, if your schedule permits, and visit Nashaa nightclub if you crave CIS chicks. The offerings there are clearly of a better quality and available in greater number. Also, the overall ambience/vibe of the club puts Shock 39 to shame. IMHO, that is THE PLACE for the hottest CIS imports in LOS. However, as there is no cover charge, you'll have to buy atleast one drink and the staff won't leave you alone till you do that. And, they tend to be on the pricier side in comparison to your Go-Go bars and other fancy clubs like Mixx etc. But, with a drink in hand, you can relax and enjoy without the staff hovering over you all the time. If you want any more info., feel free to get in touch via PM. Good luck!
Shanghai1955
04-20-18, 19:28
I landed in Bangkok on a Monday. I had a few hours work on Tuesday and all day Wednesday and Thursday. I had all evenings free.
Plan A. Craigslist, I had 15 to 20 girls, "Line ID's" from that site. All where P2P. The most I paid was 2,500 be for ST.
Plan be. Thai friendly dating web site. I had 50 "Line ID's" from that site. If the girls profile pic was at all sexy. She is a freelancer. 30% of the girls on Thai friendly site that gave me their "Line ID" I started to chat with them and they asked me to meet me. Then they would say sure and then they gave me the ST fee. I saw 4 different girls. They came to me. No BF, no drinks No late nights. I'm in my early 60's and don't like the bar scene.
I met with 3 girls from Thai friendly said they were looking for serious relationship. 28, 33, 34 years old. All about and 6-8 in looks. I would bring them up the executive lounge in my hotel. We would talk a bit to get to know each other. I made it a point to ask to see their hands. Telling them that I can tell a lot about a person by looking at their hands. They loved it. After an hour I would say that I needed to do some work and I would walk them down to the lobby. Each time we were in the elevator along. As soon as the door closed I would touch their face and say it was nice meeting you and I would give them a kiss. Every time they would start kissing back like crazy. When we hit the lobby floor I asked, would you like to go to my room. The answer was yes. I fucked each one and sent them home with 300 be for taxi. No discussion of money. I spent the weekend with a 33 year old in Sa Kaeo (3 hours east of BKK) that I met on Thai Friendly. 5' 3" 85 lbs spinner. Also no talk of money but I left her with $400 USD.
I will post photos on the photo section soon.
I am going to Thailand for vacations this summer. It is a bachelor party and we are 7 friends. We want to go for a small trip through the country, but for having some fun with girls. What is better? Bangkok or Pattaya?Although, I'm sure, plenty of information, pertaining to your query, is available in the Thailand sub-forum, let me, however, chip in with my thoughts. If this is your first time in LOS, I'd recommend Pattaya as it presents something that you'd have never witnessed before in Europe, which, I am assuming from your FRs, is your usual hunting ground. WS, alone, makes the trip worth it for its unabashed display of poontang, likes of which are not seen anywhere in Europe and, which, quite frankly, is more in-your-face and a notch above Bkk as well. Plus, scouting for FL talent, along that long stretch of BR, with its scenic backdrop, is something that is not available in Bkk. For me, with these two key offerings, Pattaya trumps Bkk. Also, everything is within a walking distance, if you are staying on BR or 1st road, including the soapies, which is not the case in Bkk. Moreover, with some of the soapies, especially the high-end Ratchada ones, closing, the glamor of Bkk has, somewhat, diminished in my estimation. And, if this was not enough, Bkk, a couple of years back, had wider options available when it came to CIS/Russian talent, with Bossy Pub plying its trade and Rajah Hotel being what it was. If these are the ethnicities that you, or any of your group, wanna lay, then Bkk may disappoint somewhat. Bkk presents better opportunity in terms of escort agencies, Smooci etc., which, IMO, is hardly any fun, especially when you consider the joy of first-hand exploration of the Pattaya scene, with its mind-boggling number of go-go girls, FLs, foreign WGs etc., all available within a radius of a couple of square miles. It's a pure, unadulterated hobbying experience. Easier, faster and more VFM. Explore the Bkk scene also, but, I'd recommend spending 70% of your hobbying time in Pattaya. Hope this is of some help. Safe travels!
I am going to Thailand for vacations this summer. It is a bachelor party and we are 7 friends. We want to go for a small trip through the country, but for having some fun with girls. What is better? Bangkok or Pattaya?I had my first trip to Thailand in February this year. 5 days in Pattaya and 2 in Bangkok. Go to Pattaya! Every thing is close and easily accessed. I think the girls are nicer, prices on everything cheaper and The girls are more open to being fingered and at one agogo we even got blow jobs at the table 😋.
Bangkok for us was a waste of 2 days.
I hope this helps.
Rob.
I landed in Bangkok on a Monday. I had a few hours work on Tuesday and all day Wednesday and Thursday. I had all evenings free.
Plan A. Craigslist, I had 15 to 20 girls, "Line ID's" from that site. All where P2P. The most I paid was 2,500 be for ST.
Plan be. Thai friendly dating web site. I had 50 "Line ID's" from that site. If the girls profile pic was at all sexy. She is a freelancer. 30% of the girls on Thai friendly site that gave me their "Line ID" I started to chat with them and they asked me to meet me. Then they would say sure and then they gave me the ST fee. I saw 4 different girls. They came to me. No BF, no drinks No late nights. I'm in my early 60's and don't like the bar scene.
I met with 3 girls from Thai friendly said they were looking for serious relationship. 28, 33, 34 years old. All about and 6-8 in looks. I would bring them up the executive lounge in my hotel. We would talk a bit to get to know each other. I made it a point to ask to see their hands. Telling them that I can tell a lot about a person by looking at their hands. They loved it. After an hour I would say that I needed to do some work and I would walk them down to the lobby. Each time we were in the elevator along. As soon as the door closed I would touch their face and say it was nice meeting you and I would give them a kiss. Every time they would start kissing back like crazy. When we hit the lobby floor I asked, would you like to go to my room. The answer was yes. I fucked each one and sent them home with 300 be for taxi. No discussion of money. I spent the weekend with a 33 year old in Sa Kaeo (3 hours east of BKK) that I met on Thai Friendly. 5' 3" 85 lbs spinner. Also no talk of money but I left her with $400 USD.
I will post photos on the photo section soon.400 $ for a weekend.
Good for her she didn't talk about money as she would have asked for 4000 baht or so.
She won the lottery!
Member #4698
04-21-18, 00:23
I am going to Thailand for vacations this summer. It is a bachelor party and we are 7 friends. We want to go for a small trip through the country, but for having some fun with girls. What is better? Bangkok or Pattaya?Everybody has a different preference. I, for one, think BKK is an all around better playground especially if there is more on your collective minds than just poontang like culure, cuisine, and the sights, others will strongly disagree, 555, but you really should do both if you have the time. These two destinations really compliment each other in unexpected ways. Tip: your group has 7 friends who want to party in LOS for the 1st time. Rent a few 2 bedroom View Talay 6 condos on the same floor in Pattaya or a few 2 & 3 bedroom hotel suites on the same floor in BKK. Then, let the good times roll!
I don't refer to the Dollhouse death. A lot of young slim hottie Coyotes in Doll House.
In fact nearly all bars with dancers in Cowboy now have Coyote girls. Barfine usually higher ranging from 1000 Baht to 3000 Baht or more. The Arab's bars have very high BFs and yet girls probably do not fuck (personal decision I guess). Arab bars have been reported to be ripping off customers with inflated drinks bills.
I took a slow walk through Soi Cowboy last night around 10:30 PM and it must have been 80%+ non barfinable Coyotes in front of the bars. Of course, I didn't chat with 80% of the girls in front of the bars, but whenever I was arm hooked into engaging with a girl or two, I looked for the tell-tale pantyhose, which seemed ever present, and said, "But you are a Coyote. That means you will not go barfine with me, right?" The reaction of the one or two girls trying to rope me into entering their bar to buy them pointless Ladydrinks was always the same; Their phony pleasant scammer demeanor was dropped immediately, they knew they had just been busted and they had nothing else to say about it. Every other girl standing nearby knew what had just happened, too.
They might as well rename this area Soi Coyote Scam.
The only bar I bothered to enter was Tilac Bar, for old times' sake. Bought a Ladydrink for a genuine go-go dancer who was indeed available for barfine and wanted me to take her but I had an appointment lined up at my apartment for midnight with a P4P girl I'd met on ThaiCupid and had to take a rain check. The Tilac girl was very young, cute and her skin felt great. But the same was true for the ThaiCupid girl. She stayed all night and just left a few minutes ago for little more than what a Thermae girl typically charges for a 1 hour Short Time. Plus, I had already fully nailed down all three of my usual requirements for a rewarding sexual encounter before I agreed to book her. Modern technology is more often than not a wonderful thing in this hobby after all.
I took a slow walk through Soi Cowboy last night around 10:30 PM and it must have been 80%+ non barfinable Coyotes in front of the bars. Of course, I didn't chat with 80% of the girls in front of the bars, but whenever I was arm hooked into engaging with a girl or two, I looked for the tell-tale pantyhose, which seemed ever present, and said, "But you are a Coyote. Pantyhose is not really the main way to detect a Coyote, IMHO. Pantyhose may be an indicator it is harder to get into her pants, but not 100%. The hose is generally there to cover up scars or blotches on the legs. Double layer bra, or top over a bra is the mostly telling indicator of a Coyote in my experience, although Coyote costumes are starting to vary a lot. The cut off short shorts is not a given any longer.
It would not be true that 80% of Coyotes are not barfineable. A lot are barfinable. It is just that BFing them is no guarantee that they will fuck. Some have boyfriends, etc. Or other reasons. They do not wish to be a hooker, technically. So perhaps you really mean 80% do not fuck, and even then I would be very sceptical. Of course I have not done a wide survey to ask how many fuck. However I am seeing plenty of customers taking a Coyote out of the bars for one reason or another. Maybe almost any will girl fuck under the right circumstances, LOL. I have certainly had Coyotes knock me back and others explain they don't do sex, as are students for a regular profession future. One Coyote knocked me back saying she does not go with customers often, and was scared of a big dick having done only Asians before (in Twisters at Nana). Can't tell if she was truthful of course. Other Coyotes I have barfined and fucked, although very few from Cowboy because I always had good gogo girls options.
Is it not true that most Coyotes in Billboard are available? I don't see any reason why a portion of them in Cowboy would not also be up for a fuck in the right circumstances.
Plenty of Coyotes are available to BF to take them out to eat dinner, go to a disco, etc. That is very normal and certainly applies to Cowboy Coyotes who explained they don't do sex. I still think some of those girls may be willing in secret if they like the customer a lot, and have known him over a period of time. They need money and some may actually be horny after a few drinks, LOL.
We all know Thailand has a lot of borderline hookers, those that are sometimes available but not on a daily basis. In the old days Thermae had plenty of very part time hookers, who refused many customers, looking for someone that actually appealed to them, in addition to the money.
Also, the overall ambience/vibe of the club puts Shock 39 to shame. Some discos in Bangkok are really poor, for the standard of the air quality, the sound system, the DJ, the "music", the customers, etc. Shock 39 was a perfect example, probably taking the prize for the very worst of the bad. On the occasion most places were closed. That was only reason I got taken there. I would never go there a 2nd time. Just the opinion of an old fuddy-duddy I guess, however I really hated everything about that place. I also thought Spicy was really rather poor but not even coming close to Shock 39.
Some discos in Bangkok are really poor, for the standard of the air quality, the sound system, the DJ, the "music", the customers, etc. Shock 39 was a perfect example, probably taking the prize for the very worst of the bad. On the occasion most places were closed. That was only reason I got taken there. I would never go there a 2nd time. Just the opinion of an old fuddy-duddy I guess, however I really hated everything about that place. I also thought Spicy was really rather poor but not even coming close to Shock 39.I agree with your opinion of Shock 39. The only saving grace of that joint is that the quality of girls is reasonably ok and that's the only reason I'd recommend it to anybody. The last time I was there, I remember noticing how particularly bad the music was. It seemed as if the DJ was playing music more for his own entertainment than that of the crowd, which I found irritating and amusing at the same time. LOL.
Steve 9696
04-21-18, 18:21
So I am not as experienced in Thailand as you guys and maybe things have changed, but a year ago I took a coyote (I believe) from Sharks no problem. I think the barfine was 700 B.
She was dancing on stage with the others but had on a different outfit with a skirt ruffle. And she could really dance. Totally sexy— no BKK shuffle. I made eye contact and motioned for her to join when off stage. Sure enough she did. One lady drink and the "are you staying nearby" and we were off. She seemed super stoked. She didn't have a condom so I don't know if she was not planning on bar fining or if that is usual.
But we grabbed one at the 7-11 and had a great time in the room. Really pretty girl (her name was Mei I believe) and lots of fun. So it does happen, but not sure how often. This was just my experience.
It would not be true that 80% of Coyotes are not barfineable. A lot are barfinable. It is just that BFing them is no guarantee that they will fuck. Some have boyfriends, etc. Or other reasons. They do not wish to be a hooker, technically. So perhaps you really mean 80% do not fuck, and even then I would be very sceptical. Of course I have not done a wide survey to ask how many fuck. However I am seeing plenty of customers taking a Coyote out of the bars for one reason or another. Maybe almost any will girl fuck under the right circumstances, LOL. I have certainly had Coyotes knock me back and others explain they don't do sex, as are students for a regular profession future. One Coyote knocked me back saying she does not go with customers often, and was scared of a big dick having done only Asians before (in Twisters at Nana). Can't tell if she was truthful of course. Other Coyotes I have barfined and fucked, although very few from Cowboy because I always had good gogo girls options.
Actually, my guesstimate was 80%+ of the girls lined up outside the bars on Soi Cowboy must have been non-barfinable Coyotes, not that 80%+ of Coyotes are non-barfinable. Big difference. There might be dozens of Coyotes inside each of those bars who are not wearing pantyhose and/or will go barfine. I don't know because I didn't go inside the bars and ask them.
However, I have never once asked one of those pantyhose-wearing Coyotes lined up in front of the Soi Coyote Scam bars, I mean Soi Cowboy bars, if she is a Coyote and had her say "Yes, and I will go bafine with you, but I won't fuck." The answer has always been, "Yes", to which I say something on the order of, "Which means you won't go barfine with me so it would be a waste of time for me to buy you a Ladydrink, right?" And that is where it ends. I have read on message boards that such Coyotes exist but have never met one standing outside the bars and I probably get arm hooked by a half dozen different Coyote scammers every time I walk down that Soi and not one of them ever presented herself as barfinable but will not fuck.
I also know many punters who go to Soi Cowboy often, prefer it over Nana and not once have I met one who told me he barfined a Coyote but her policy is not to fuck. I assume there could be 3-4 of just about any variation of bargirl working in all of Soi Cowboy and Soi Nana. But where would all these "can be barfined but will not fuck" Coyotes be working in such great numbers that they would significantly influence my impression that 80%+ of the girls lined up along Soi Coyote Scam are non-barfinable Coyotes? And where is a special thread to handle what must be a sizable number of punters who delve into such an exchange at go-go bars if a meaningful percentage of pantyhose-wearing Coyotes on Soi Cowboy or anywhere in the city get barfined and paid an additional sum on top of that on the premise that they will not fuck? I must be very lucky this way because I have never asked a go-go dancer anywhere in Bangkok, Coyote or otherwise, if she goes barfine, had her say yes but not for sex, only for drinks, partying and chatting.
Meanwhile, I don't recall meeting one admitted non-barfineable Coyote scammer on Soi Coyote Scam (Cowboy) who was not wearing pantyhose. That's a lot of unfortunately hideous legs and big ugly scars and tattoos for what otherwise seem to be decent looking Thai girls. Maybe a few other girls wear them in the middle of the hottest month of Hot Season to smooth out their skin and hide big ugly scars and tattoos. But every one of the times I have been arm hooked on that Soi by a girl wearing pantyhose, I question her and she winds up having admit that, yes, she is a Coyote and, no, she does not go barfine. Again, maybe I missed encountering the 3-4 girls on the Soi who are pantyhose-wearing Coyotes, do barfine, are happy to accept an additional 2000-3000 baht or more for a Short Time, but their stated policy is they will not fuck.
I've only asked one, but she said yes and had sex. She was working at Midnite out front, last October, really hot. Pulled me for in for a drink, playing with me through and under my shorts. Asked her if she was barfinable, she said she is only working out front. Tried to get me to buy drinks for her other Coyote friend, and the mamasan, I said, "I'm just interested in you. I want to barfine you. ".
She then said it's 1500 barfine and 5000 for 2 hours.
Geez, she must normally hold out for Japanese guys.
This is on day NINE of my last trip, so I may have been a bit loopy. And I rationalize it as I'd easily pay what amounts to $200 US to bang a girl that looks this good in the USA, so what the heck. Wasn't worth the price, but, live and learn.
Soi Cowboy is a tourist trap.
And: There's always a super hot girl out there for cheaper.
I've only asked one, but she said yes and had sex. She was working at Midnite out front, last October, really hot. Pulled me for in for a drink, playing with me through and under my shorts. Asked her if she was barfinable, she said she is only working out front. Tried to get me to buy drinks for her other Coyote friend, and the mamasan, I said, "I'm just interested in you. I want to barfine you. ".
She then said it's 1500 barfine and 5000 for 2 hours.
Geez, she must normally hold out for Japanese guys.
This is on day NINE of my last trip, so I may have been a bit loopy. And I rationalize it as I'd easily pay what amounts to $200 US to bang a girl that looks this good in the USA, so what the heck. Wasn't worth the price, but, live and learn.
Soi Cowboy is a tourist trap.
And: There's always a super hot girl out there for cheaper.Yes, I have no doubt that even the most stubborn holdouts anywhere in the world will eventually hear a price that will change their minds. I am sure there is a number that would convince me to do something I wouldn't do otherwise even for a year's free rent. And I assume that Kate and Pippa Middleton in their prime would have bareback tag-teamed a 400 pound dude they first encountered stepping around him laying in a mud puddle if he came up with a convincing story that their doing so just once would solve world hunger and put an end to all wars.
But I am curious; in the case of your Soi Cowboy Coyote who arm hooked you and pulled you in, when you say 6,500 baht plus whatever the cost of a Ladydrink or two "Wasn't worth the price", are you saying it might have been worth something closer to the usual 700 baht barfine + 2000-2,500 baht to the girl? Or are you saying it wasn't worth the bother and even the regular going rate for a regular go-go bargirl? I mean, did she even know what the two of you were supposed to be doing in the privacy of your room or did she give it only a minimal effort and not even do a decent job of that?
Thanks.
I've only asked one, but she said yes and had sex. She was working at Midnite out front, last October, really hot. Pulled me for in for a drink, playing with me through and under my shorts. Asked her if she was barfinable, she said she is only working out front. Tried to get me to buy drinks for her other Coyote friend, and the mamasan, I said, "I'm just interested in you. I want to barfine you. ".
She then said it's 1500 barfine and 5000 for 2 hours.
Geez, she must normally hold out for Japanese guys.
This is on day NINE of my last trip, so I may have been a bit loopy. And I rationalize it as I'd easily pay what amounts to $200 US to bang a girl that looks this good in the USA, so what the heck. Wasn't worth the price, but, live and learn.
Soi Cowboy is a tourist trap.
And: There's always a super hot girl out there for cheaper.Over 200 USD. That's just beyond ridiculous We're not in the US. And what that does to the gal's attitudes. The higher the prices have gone the worse they've gotten. My oh my.
Over 200 USD. That's just beyond ridiculous We're not in the US. And what that does to the gal's attitudes. The higher the prices have gone the worse they've gotten. My oh my.Well, in my book it all depends on what she does for 6,500 baht. And if cost meets service then it shouldn't do anything negative with regard to attitude or price for girls who only provide the bare minimum. That is, for the customers who care what level of service is provided.
For me, I wouldn't pay 100 (one hundred) baht for what passes for standard lick around the edges (if that), slip on a condom and proceed for as short a time as possible fare out there. No matter how BEAUTIFUL she was. And that is primarily because I would never maintain an erection inside that condom for much more than 3 strokes and wouldn't finish ever. However, if 6,500 baht got a top young hottie with a sweet attitude, a smoothly shaved pussy, bareback everything without a further word spoken about condoms, unlimited shots over the course of 24 hours and if I choose to finish with a blowjob I will know it will end with a full cum swallow with a smile, then I would probably pay up the 6,500 baht without a moment's regret.
It's the 100 baht for standard fare as I described above that would make me feel ripped off.
Yes, I have no doubt that even the most stubborn holdouts anywhere in the world will eventually hear a price that will change their minds. I am sure there is a number that would convince me to do something I wouldn't do otherwise even for a year's free rent. And I assume that Kate and Pippa Middleton in their prime would have bareback tag-teamed a 400 pound dude they first encountered stepping around him laying in a mud puddle if he came up with a convincing story that their doing so just once would solve world hunger and put an end to all wars.
But I am curious; in the case of your Soi Cowboy Coyote who arm hooked you and pulled you in, when you say 6,500 baht plus whatever the cost of a Ladydrink or two "Wasn't worth the price", are you saying it might have been worth something closer to the usual 700 baht barfine + 2000-2,500 baht to the girl? Or are you saying it wasn't worth the bother and even the regular going rate for a regular go-go bargirl? I mean, did she even know what the two of you were supposed to be doing in the privacy of your room or did she give it only a minimal effort and not even do a decent job of that?
Thanks.It would've been worth it for the standard fare. I didn't need two hours, nor did we really stay at it two hours, and her performance wasn't bad, it just wasn't outstanding. And yes, she knew what we were going to do.
I just thought she was super hot and wanted to FKK her and could afford it.
Well, in my book it all depends on what she does for 6,500 baht. And if cost meets service then it shouldn't do anything negative with regard to attitude or price for girls who only provide the bare minimum. That is, for the customers who care what level of service is provided.
For me, I wouldn't pay 100 (one hundred) baht for what passes for standard lick around the edges (if that), slip on a condom and proceed for as short a time as possible fare out there. No matter how BEAUTIFUL she was. And that is primarily because I would never maintain an erection inside that condom for much more than 3 strokes and wouldn't finish ever. However, if 6,500 baht got a top young hottie with a sweet attitude, a smoothly shaved pussy, bareback everything without a further word spoken about condoms, unlimited shots over the course of 24 hours and if I choose to finish with a blowjob I will know it will end with a full cum swallow with a smile, then I would probably pay up the 6,500 baht without a moment's regret.
It's the 100 baht for standard fare as I described above that would make me feel ripped off.Agreed, but think that was the tab for ST.
Over 200 USD. That's just beyond ridiculous We're not in the US. And what that does to the gal's attitudes. The higher the prices have gone the worse they've gotten. My oh my.Yes, I feel I'm getting a little more in control of my dick, but two things that BKK will never have:
1) a time when a buttload of Japanese aren't doing the same thing every night that I did there (over pay).
2) an easier monger market in America / UK to ease up the over anxiousness of newbies.
You're just not going to get that. It's never going to happen. And it's going to keep fkking up this market. It'll fluctuate some. Girls seem a lot more desperate for business now, than I remember in October. But some of the girls are going to get what they can get. Why wouldn't they? It sucks for us, but the market is going to bear what it will. And those two things will always make it tougher for anyone experienced who is looking to get the best FKK, from the best looking girl, at the lowest price.
I sat in Baccara last night and watched some Japanese guy pay a girl 6000 Baht. I was thinking, how much for the bar fine? How much for the girl? 1500 and 4500? Is that for one girl?
It was.
What can stop it? It seems that clientele is more than happy to pay for it, and seems easy to please.
In America it still is an ACTUAL crime to solicit a prostitute (or to be one) and so there is always the looking over the shoulder, the guilt, the mistrust, the possibility of getting caught. All of that BEFORE you even start to consider the lack of quality when it comes to finding someone who will. Sure, in big markets, there's a better selection, but then the prices go up. And not everyone is from a big market. Try living in Omaha Nebraska and finding a hot little 19 year old, Asian beauty with perfect petite body, that you can just casually walk up to and say, "Sure. Let's go do it. For $60. ".
Man, this is my 5th (visit, and I'm still a bit like a kid in the candy store. Trying to keep my bearings.
But even when I get it, those two things will remain constant.
Actually, my guesstimate was 80%+ of the girls lined up outside the bars on Soi Cowboy must have been non-barfinable Coyotes, not that 80%+ of Coyotes are non-barfinable. Big difference. There might be dozens of Coyotes inside each of those bars who are not wearing pantyhose and/or will go barfine. I don't know because I didn't go inside the bars and ask them.
However, I have never once asked one of those pantyhose-wearing Coyotes lined up in front of the Soi Coyote Scam bars, I mean Soi Cowboy bars, if she is a Coyote and had her say "Yes, and I will go bafine with you, but I won't fuck." The answer has always been, "Yes", to which I say something on the order of, "Which means you won't go barfine with me so it would be a waste of time for me to buy you a Ladydrink, right?" And that is where it ends. I have read on message boards that such Coyotes exist but have never met one standing outside the bars and I probably get arm hooked by a half dozen different Coyote scammers every time I walk down that Soi and not one of them ever presented herself as barfinable but will not fuck.
I also know many punters who go to Soi Cowboy often, prefer it over Nana and not once have I met one who told me he barfined a Coyote but her policy is not to fuck. I assume there could be 3-4 of just about any variation of bargirl working in all of Soi Cowboy and Soi Nana. But where would all these "can be barfined but will not fuck" Coyotes be working in such great numbers that they would significantly influence my impression that 80%+ of the girls lined up along Soi Coyote Scam are non-barfinable Coyotes? Eih,
You use a lot of convoluted sentences, negative questions and double negatives.
If you talk to girls like that, I would not be surprised if they had no idea how to answer and fail to give a postive you are looking for.
I don't pay a lot of attention to Coyotes outside the shops. In general front of house staff are probably not barfinable. Don't see any eeason to talk to them.
In some bars the Coyotes dance inside and then take a turn to pull customers outside. Arab bars and Crazy Cats are a good example.
I chatted to a very nice Coyote in Crazy Cats who was in training to work in Hotels. She just returned from a BF where customer took her out to dinner. It was quite clear sex was not available yet some guy payed the expensive BF. I sat and ate with her at a noodle stand after closing time without paying a barfine. The point was she was interesting to talk to unlike most girls in the bars. I did buy her a few drinks and paid her food bill. These girls need money to pay the rent and her education yet do not want to be hookers. I have no clue if she has a BF or not. Was maybe not the prettiest Coyote in the bar but by far the best to talk to. I initially chatted to several. So made a change for me not to be chasing a fuck. I believe some other Coyotes in same bar maybe available but BF was a bit too high for me.
There was also a LB with no shortage of customers. LOL.
Member #4733
04-22-18, 16:35
I sat in Baccara last night and watched some Japanese guy pay a girl 6000 Baht. I was thinking, how much for the bar fine? How much for the girl? 1500 and 4500? Is that for one girl?
It was.I was in Thailand a few times. Visited Patpong, Thaniya, Soi Cowboy and Nana. Also went to Pattaya shortly. Usually I go to Amsterdam RLD or Germany FFK. The only girl in Thailand that came close to standard Geman FKK quality was a girl from the Lord's. The Thai girls cost a small fortune. My total cost for a girl has not gone under 4000 baht which is appr 100 euro. I really wonder at this as a lot of people think Thailand is the sex paradise and always bring home stories that sound so good. So, was it me and just choosing the wrong girls? Could be but I think it is something else. Thai girls simply do not fuck that much and don't get very experienced. In most German FKK clubs a girl must have two customers to just break even that day. I have never heard of a Thai girl having sex twice a day as a minimum. I guess almost no girl will have that line of customers. This lack of experience shows, especially at the oral part but also in the intimate part. Turtle for example is simply not known. Little sex, little experience, little skill but high prices. The best girl I had at Lord's was 6000 baht like the Baccara girl just mentioned. That is about 150 euro. The Lord's girl promised 1,5 hours but gave me 45 minutes. Other sessions show the same pattern. Never more than an hour and some started complaining after about 20 minutes: I should come while I thought we just got started.
So no sex for me in Thailand as next door has far better options for less money.
What I do like about Thailand is the game. To see beautiful girls dancing and looking at one of them and then have that one come over to you. A lady drink and some lap dance. A night out for about 1000 baht. You cannot get that quality here for that price. When they ask me for barfine (meaning ST or LT) I tell them my dick is tired and leave for the next bar or my hotel. So I would like to have a lot of coyotes as they are more beautiful.
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Agreed, but think that was the tab for ST.Yes, and that would have been one of the things I would have tried to put into a negotiation, if any, when it comes to paying well above the "going rate" in current times. I don't know, I'm just not a big believer that what one man pays (or 20 men for that matter) has a lot of bearing on what I can and will get from my next lady at a price I deem acceptable. It is simply up to me to smile and move on to the next one, never get focused too much on the one.
If one girl has been so routinely "spoiled" by customers who pay her whatever she quotes while expecting little or no effort from her in the room, there is another girl standing right next to her who has not been so "spoiled". And it is entirely possible that one will be hotter without her clothes on and better at her job anyway. The "this is what all the girls will expect if we pay this much" issue seems only to apply to the going rate in each particular venue. For example, all the girls in the same bar will know what the general going rate is in that bar for ST or LT. It might vary up or down from one girl to the next by 500 baht or so. But not dramatically. And even the girls who got 500 baht more than the going rate from their last 5 customers will probably not hold to that if it is a slow Monday or you just strike her fancy for whatever reason.
Where I find the lack of organized thought and understanding goes wildly off in every direction is on the "For what?" part of the deal, not on the "How much?" part. I was arm hooked by one of the newer and better looking freelancers that gather more in front of Hooters on Soi 4 lately than in front of the Nana Hotel sign Saturday night. She would not let me budge until I explained to her why I wasn't just scooping her up for ST right this very instant. As it happens I had other plans in the next couple of hours but thought I'd test her knowledge (or rather, what she chooses to promote as "fact" on the scene). She already knew the "How much?" part of the deal in this particular environment was in the area of 1,000-1,500 baht for ST. But in our brief discussion she insisted that it was still a "blowjob" if she finished me with her hand and that, "Only Ladyboys finish a blowjob with Cum in Mouth. " uh, ok. And on the issue of BBFS, she is convinced (or rather, tried to convince me) that "No lady anywhere in Bangkok will boom-boom a customer without a condom." Again, uh, ok. I good-naturedly set her straight about both of those issues without pointing directly to the several exceptions in the immediate vicinity to both of those inaccurate "facts" she had in her head.
In today's scene, it is up to me to educate the girls I engage in negotiations with on what I expect to happen in the room IF I paid close to or exactly the amount of money they want from me tonight. I can't accept just negotiating on "How much?" and maybe "For How Long?" It really isn't as difficult as some might think. Of course, I am only a shaved pussy, BBBJ+CIM (major bonus points for swallowing at the end) and BBFS kind of guy, not into anal at all. Maybe that makes all of this much easier for me. But I have not yet heard a shockingly high starting number from go-go dancers, freelancers up to an including Thermae and the like. I have only heard shockingly low service levels apparently being routinely accepted by many customers these days.
And that is where it becomes my responsibility to make sure the girl understands the "For What?" part of the deal is even more important to me than the "How Much?" part. Unfortunately, I have to approach it as though this girl has never given a real blowjob or engaged in real skin-to-skin contact sex during her short or long P4P career.
Eih,
You use a lot of convoluted sentences, negative questions and double negatives.
If you talk to girls like that, I would not be surprised if they had no idea how to answer and fail to give a postive you are looking for.I don't talk to the girls the way I write it here every time. It would go something like her saying, "Oh, come inside and take a look!" I look down at her pantyhose and say, "But you're a Coyote, yes?" Reluctant head nod. "That means you won't barfine and go with me, right?" It might require me to rephrase it into something more like, "Do you go barfine with customers?" Her reply is, "No" or she shakes her head no. Smile drops, hand lets go of my arm, she looks at the other girls, shakes head and indicates no taker (sucker) here.
If that kind of exchange is confusing to these girls who seem to understand English well enough to engage in other kinds of jokey banter, then maybe I need to hone my pantomime skills more. Or resort to Google Translate on the spot.
I don't pay a lot of attention to Coyotes outside the shops. In general front of house staff are probably not barfinable. Don't see any eeason to talk to them.
In some bars the Coyotes dance inside and then take a turn to pull customers outside. Arab bars and Crazy Cats are a good example.Bingo. Then you might guesstimate an even higher percentage than the 80%+ I quesstimated in my post you replied to earlier with regard to the non barfinable Coyote scammers standing in front of the bars.
However, I will not let a bar off the hook so easily for hiring an agency to provide fakes to scam customers who come to their bar to buy ladydrinks and get laid. I don't look at it as, oh, those are just the fakes and scammers outside their bar, but I'm sure inside all is well and normal. To me, it matters and keeps me from going into those bars anyway.
I chatted to a very nice Coyote in Crazy Cats who was in training to work in Hotels. She just returned from a BF where customer took her out to dinner. It was quite clear sex was not available yet some guy payed the expensive BF. I sat and ate with her at a noodle stand after closing time without paying a barfine. The point was she was interesting to talk to unlike most girls in the bars. I did buy her a few drinks and paid her food bill. These girls need money to pay the rent and her education yet do not want to be hookers. I have no clue if she has a BF or not. Was maybe not the prettiest Coyote in the bar but by far the best to talk to. I initially chatted to several. So made a change for me not to be chasing a fuck. I believe some other Coyotes in same bar maybe available but BF was a bit too high for me.
I suppose I should clarify that my use of the term "non barfinable" in this context equates to "sex is not available". It really isn't referring to whether or not someone could pay a bar for a girl's absence and give her an additional sum of money just to chat with her down the street or have dinner with her around the corner.
And, maybe I am wrong, but I assume you think of it that way, too. Unless in your last statement in the above quote you meant you would have considered paying a barfine and an additional sum of money to one of those other Coyotes in order to chat with her at a noodle shop for a couple of hours even if it was quite clear sex was not available if only the barfine and additional sum to the girl were reasonably low enough. I don't know for sure if that is what you meant.
Yes, I feel I'm getting a little more in control of my dick, but two things that BKK will never have:
1) a time when a buttload of Japanese aren't doing the same thing every night that I did there (over pay).
2) an easier monger market in America / UK to ease up the over anxiousness of newbies.
You're just not going to get that. It's never going to happen. And it's going to keep fkking up this market. It'll fluctuate some. Girls seem a lot more desperate for business now, than I remember in October. But some of the girls are going to get what they can get. Why wouldn't they? It sucks for us, but the market is going to bear what it will. And those two things will always make it tougher for anyone experienced who is looking to get the best FKK, from the best looking girl, at the lowest price.
I sat in Baccara last night and watched some Japanese guy pay a girl 6000 Baht. I was thinking, how much for the bar fine? How much for the girl? 1500 and 4500? Is that for one girl?
It was.
What can stop it? It seems that clientele is more than happy to pay for it, and seems easy to please.
In America it still is an ACTUAL crime to solicit a prostitute (or to be one) and so there is always the looking over the shoulder, the guilt, the mistrust, the possibility of getting caught. All of that BEFORE you even start to consider the lack of quality when it comes to finding someone who will. Sure, in big markets, there's a better selection, but then the prices go up. And not everyone is from a big market. Try living in Omaha Nebraska and finding a hot little 19 year old, Asian beauty with perfect petite body, that you can just casually walk up to and say, "Sure. Let's go do it. For $60. ".
Man, this is my 5th (visit, and I'm still a bit like a kid in the candy store. Trying to keep my bearings.
But even when I get it, those two things will remain constant.I'd rather take a bullet in the head than live in the US again. 34 years there was enough.
Sadly the Asian clientele seems easier and easier to please. At least when they come to Thailand that is. The foreign P4 P scene caters almost 100% to the tourist at the moment. That was not the case when I moved here almost two decades ago. Yes, there were always mercenary gals, but at that time bars, especially bars in Cowboy depended on locals, especially during low season. Gals wanted local regulars they could count on to get them through the lean months, and believe me, there were quite a few lean months every year. That went for FLs as well. Now, they are not interested in locals in the least. Regular customers are ok, as long as they are willing to pay the big bucks and most residents just aren't willing to do that unless the looks and performance are both stellar. And that for the most part is a unicorn. I agree with Elh, I'd pay 200 for 24 hrs with a sexy nasty hottie who was up for anything. But I won't pay 100 Baht for a dud.
Man, if you are still living in the states, you should head for South America. Also Mexican border towns are good, especially the ones that folks think are dangerous. Used to love Juarez when I was living in TX. The best P4 P is usually in places that tourists don't want to go or are frightened to go.
Yes, and that would have been one of the things I would have tried to put into a negotiation, if any, when it comes to paying well above the "going rate" in current times. I don't know, I'm just not a big believer that what one man pays (or 20 men for that matter) has a lot of bearing on what I can and will get from my next lady at a price I deem acceptable. It is simply up to me to smile and move on to the next one, never get focused too much on the one.
If one girl has been so routinely "spoiled" by customers who pay her whatever she quotes while expecting little or no effort from her in the room, there is another girl standing right next to her who has not been so "spoiled". And it is entirely possible that one will be hotter without her clothes on and better at her job anyway. The "this is what all the girls will expect if we pay this much" issue seems only to apply to the going rate in each particular venue. For example, all the girls in the same bar will know what the general going rate is in that bar for ST or LT. It might vary up or down from one girl to the next by 500 baht or so. But not dramatically. And even the girls who got 500 baht more than the going rate from their last 5 customers will probably not hold to that if it is a slow Monday or you just strike her fancy for whatever reason.
Where I find the lack of organized thought and understanding goes wildly off in every direction is on the "For what?" part of the deal, not on the "How much?" part. I was arm hooked by one of the newer and better looking freelancers that gather more in front of Hooters on Soi 4 lately than in front of the Nana Hotel sign Saturday night. She would not let me budge until I explained to her why I wasn't just scooping her up for ST right this very instant. As it happens I had other plans in the next couple of hours but thought I'd test her knowledge (or rather, what she chooses to promote as "fact" on the scene). She already knew the "How much?" part of the deal in this particular environment was in the area of 1,000-1,500 baht for ST. But in our brief discussion she insisted that it was still a "blowjob" if she finished me with her hand and that, "Only Ladyboys finish a blowjob with Cum in Mouth. " uh, ok. And on the issue of BBFS, she is convinced (or rather, tried to convince me) that "No lady anywhere in Bangkok will boom-boom a customer without a condom." Again, uh, ok. I good-naturedly set her straight about both of those issues without pointing directly to the several exceptions in the immediate vicinity to both of those inaccurate "facts" she had in her head.
In today's scene, it is up to me to educate the girls I engage in negotiations with on what I expect to happen in the room IF I paid close to or exactly the amount of money they want from me tonight. I can't accept just negotiating on "How much?" and maybe "For How Long?" It really isn't as difficult as some might think. Of course, I am only a shaved pussy, BBBJ+CIM (major bonus points for swallowing at the end) and BBFS kind of guy, not into anal at all. Maybe that makes all of this much easier for me. But I have not yet heard a shockingly high starting number from go-go dancers, freelancers up to an including Thermae and the like. I have only heard shockingly low service levels apparently being routinely accepted by many customers these days.
And that is where it becomes my responsibility to make sure the girl understands the "For What?" part of the deal is even more important to me than the "How Much?" part. Unfortunately, I have to approach it as though this girl has never given a real blowjob or engaged in real skin-to-skin contact sex during her short or long P4P career.Actually I have found that once a gal gets x amount, she will rarely go for less. Loss of face. I guess it depends what you consider a shocking number. To me anything over 2 k is shocking, especially if there is a BF on top of it. And at 2 k, I really want 2 pops. When it comes to performance, if one gals gets a reputation for doing way more than the other gals, she'll be shunned. Some don't care but most do.
I'd rather take a bullet in the head than live in the US again. 34 years there was enough.
Sadly the Asian clientele seems easier and easier to please. At least when they come to Thailand that is. The foreign P4 P scene caters almost 100% to the tourist at the moment. That was not the case when I moved here almost two decades ago. Yes, there were always mercenary gals, but at that time bars, especially bars in Cowboy depended on locals, especially during low season. Gals wanted local regulars they could count on to get them through the lean months, and believe me, there were quite a few lean months every year. That went for FLs as well. Now, they are not interested in locals in the least. Regular customers are ok, as long as they are willing to pay the big bucks and most residents just aren't willing to do that unless the looks and performance are both stellar. And that for the most part is a unicorn. I agree with Elh, I'd pay 200 for 24 hrs with a sexy nasty hottie who was up for anything. But I won't pay 100 Baht for a dud.
Man, if you are still living in the states, you should head for South America. Also Mexican border towns are good, especially the ones that folks think are dangerous. Used to love Juarez when I was living in TX. The best P4 P is usually in places that tourists don't want to go or are frightened to go.I don't want to go back to the USA Either!
I can see where it'd become frustrating with the changes you mention here. You'd think they'd appreciate regulars just from a safety standpoint as well, unfortunately, the requirements for being a go-go bar girl does not include critical reasoning skills.
Still some bargains out there I'm thinking though.
YetAnotherGuy
04-22-18, 20:35
What Soi is Twister and Butterflies located on. I often walk Soi 11 but can not find the spots you have mentioned (Twisters, Butterflies, Billiards, Rainbow5).They're all in Nana Plaza, on Sukhumvit Soi 4.
After a brief conversation with one of the newer, better looking freelancers sitting on a motorcycle parked in front of Hooters on Soi 4, where she informed me (wildly inaccurately, of course) that only Ladyboys give a Cum In Mouth finish to a blowjob and nobody working around Nana's red light area allows a customer to engage in BBFS (LOL), I decided to check out Thermae. It was around 10 PM and packed with girls. With rare exception, almost every girl, many among the hottest ones there imo, gave me a very big smile, stared me down as I passed by, replied quite welcomingly to my "Sawatdee khrup" (Hello) as I slowly cruised through the line up on all sides.
Easily one of the more impressive looking girls, name was Muay, stood slightly away from the bar and out of the general line up in order to show off her wonderful long legs, high water booty in a very tight short dress, long, straight, slightly reddish hair and perky, fairly obviously enhanced (but not too much) breasts. Early 20's I'd say. She had a sweet smile on a very cute face. I passed her once without taking her up on her point-to-me/point-to-her request that I choose her, but said "Sawatdee Khrup, Sabai dee mai?" (Hello. How are you?) anyway and apologized for moving on and not choosing her right away since "I had just gotten here and wanted to look around first. " I told her that in those exact words while gesturing with my fingers from my eyes to pointing quickly around the room. She understood. I repeated that same reply to 3-4 other girls who tried to get me to choose them as well while I cruised around the S shaped bar.
So I came back around to the left side of the bar (as you walk in) and again re-entered Muay's world. This time she was more adamant about what a wonderful decision it would be if I chose her tonight. She repeated her "2,500 for short time?" pitch. I went for the BBBJ+CIM request approach with Muay. I leaned in close to her ear and asked if she "sa-moke me?" (give me a blowjob?). She smiled more broadly and nodded yes. Then I leaned in again and asked how she will finish it for me, "Will you finish sa-moke with everything cum inside mouth?" (pointing to my open mouth, not my cheek, not my ear, not the top of my head, not around my face, but directly inside my open mouth and then pointed back to her to wait for her reply). Again, got the big smile and nod of agreement. So off we went.
Took a taxi to my apartment. Her demeanor and behavior was very nice and lovey-dovey inside, outside the taxi and throughout the evening really. Mild tongue kissing was plentiful. Her naked body was killer. Yep, slightly enhanced breasts but she didn't go overboard with it for her overall body type, fortunately. DATY was a delight for me since she was very well-groomed, tasted just fine and seemed to respond very well to it.
First thing she asked me after we were both naked and showered was, "You have condom?" I said, no I cannot use a condom. She said, "Must use condom for boom-boom. " I said, I understand but I wasn't planning to boom-boom, only blowjob. "Oh, that's right. Good! No condom," she said.
Unfortunately, her sa-moke/blowjob skills were very limited. Too limited for me. My guess is this girl had never gone beyond 4-5 strokes of a blowjob with her usual clientele, never had to before he was already popping all over the place, in order to have a clue what to do after that, how to vary the action, move away from the shaft, not work so hard to make a man cum with her mouth from the get-go and keep it easy and relaxed. I tried several times to get her not to go so tight with her mouth, that was not necessary from first stroke on. But, alas, it was not going to sink in and I called an end to it after about 10 minutes.
Tough call on this one. And I will generally rule in favor of the girl when it feels like a tough call. When it is an easy call, I am much more apt to reduce the amount I agreed to pay, often dramatically, thank them for their time and put them out. But in this case, Muay really did seem intent upon getting the job done so to speak, did not really seem at all to be playing games with it. But she had perhaps for the first time in her Thermae P4P career encountered a man who was so accustomed to pretty good blowjobs the standard needed to be higher than this and he was not going to pop within 4-5 strokes or 2 minutes, whichever came first, simply because a hot girl had her luscious mouth wrapped around his penis.
Boom-boom instead was not offered and I did not ask since I had already established that I could not boom-boom wearing a condom and that seemed to be a deal killer for her, which I chose to respect, of course. But our parting was still pleasant and non confrontational. No reason for it to be otherwise, really. Yes, I gave her the 2,500 baht I agreed to pay in Thermae. If I see her again and she seems as adamant about me taking her as she did this time, I will hit her with the BBFS request and see what happens.
I went back to bed after saying goodbye to Muay at my apartment building door. As sometimes happens, these things turn out for the better anyway. At 7AM I got a call from one of the hottest girls I have ever met at any massage shop (I only met her there, never partook of her massage shop offerings). 20 years old now and way above the standard for massage shop girls. In fact, the only reason she worked there was because her adoptive mom owned and managed the place. And she didn't even stay there for more than a couple of months before she left the business, left Bangkok, stopped communicating with her mom and went back up North for a while. Well, she had my Line number, was back in Bangkok to start working at a friend's factory somewhere and wanted to meet up with me. Or, more likely, wanted a place to crash for the day while she was waiting to meet her friend about the factory job later Sunday afternoon. And to earn some baht to help set up a new residence nearby. I hadn't really given her much thought since she left Bangkok last year.
I had long had the hots for her and this Sunday mid-morning, after a bit of breakfast in a restaurant nearby, it all culminated with a wonderful BBFS that I was very glad had the advantage of not being diluted (at age almost 65 now) by having Muay finish me off with a woefully inadequate blowjob the late night before. I had a full tank and was raring to go for a nice long while with this little beauty, plenty of more than adequate mutual oral foreplay included. I gave her 1,500 to help her get restarted in the big city with her new factory job and plan to have her come over every now and then for more. What a great surprise treat and unexpected addition to the stable she turned out to be.
Great report.
I probably should just get a job and stay here in Bangkok. Anyone have any leads, feel free to message me.
Member #4591
04-23-18, 17:53
Hit up Nana Plaza tonight at about 8:30 PM. On the way in I stopped at Hillary 4 I think. The big one opposite Hooters. There were a few lookers but stayed for only 1 beer. Beer was 140 Baht. Went to Butterflies after and beers were only 100 for Heineken. Once inside, there are the hot tub girls and on the other side were the others. Not topless like before on the hot tub side. One thing about here are the girls all seem to be under 25. Chose a girl from the hot tub side and she came over. If you pull a girl off stage it is a 2 drink minimum which is ok for me. The first girl was cute enough, 21 with tan skin and long dirty blonde hair. #167. Worked for 8 months and has one baby but not evident, no baby damage. After some chit chat I leaned she does not like to dance, does not like to drink and does not like to go with customers. Obviously she does all these things but this was a deal breaker for me so I cut her lose. Signs of a bad experience. Next, I chose #437. White skin, medium legth black hair, and a killer spinner body with white skin. Perfect all around. When she came over, very bubbly and talkative. Curled right up beside me on the leather sofa. Two drinks later and we were off to the short time room next door. 4 LD plus one for the Moma son and 2 beers for me was 1200 Baht. Bar fine 700 Baht and short time room 350 Baht. The rooms are brand new and very modern and clean.
Now down to the action. After a quick shower where she washed me all over, on to the bed for a good BBBJ, DATY and 69. That ass was to die for. 21 years old and 1 week in the business. I was her first white guy. Before only 1 Japanese and one Chinese guy. Next position was mish and then cowgirl and a finish in doggy. Would repeat for sure as she is very fresh with no baby damage and very accommodating. Damage was 3000ST and 500 tip. I could have got her for 2,500 and No tip but who cares. The extra 1000 won't klll me. She only goes with one guy per night so if interested, go early.
Hit up Nana Plaza tonight at about 8:30 PM. On the way in I stopped at Hillary 4 I think. The big one opposite Hooters. There were a few lookers but stayed for only 1 beer. Beer was 140 Baht. Went to Butterflies after and beers were only 100 for Heineken. Once inside, there are the hot tub girls and on the other side were the others. Not topless like before on the hot tub side. One thing about here are the girls all seem to be under 25. Chose a girl from the hot tub side and she came over. If you pull a girl off stage it is a 2 drink minimum which is ok for me. The first girl was cute enough, 21 with tan skin and long dirty blonde hair. #167. Worked for 8 months and has one baby but not evident, no baby damage. After some chit chat I leaned she does not like to dance, does not like to drink and does not like to go with customers. Obviously she does all these things but this was a deal breaker for me so I cut her lose. Signs of a bad experience. Next, I chose #437. White skin, medium legth black hair, and a killer spinner body with white skin. Perfect all around. When she came over, very bubbly and talkative. Curled right up beside me on the leather sofa. Two drinks later and we were off to the short time room next door. 4 LD plus one for the Moma son and 2 beers for me was 1200 Baht. Bar fine 700 Baht and short time room 350 Baht. The rooms are brand new and very modern and clean.
Now down to the action. After a quick shower where she washed me all over, on to the bed for a good BBBJ, DATY and 69. That ass was to die for. 21 years old and 1 week in the business. I was her first white guy. Before only 1 Japanese and one Chinese guy. Next position was mish and then cowgirl and a finish in doggy. Would repeat for sure as she is very fresh with no baby damage and very accommodating. Damage was 3000ST and 500 tip. I could have got her for 2,500 and No tip but who cares. The extra 1000 won't klll me. She only goes with one guy per night so if interested, go early.I think I read this correctly. 1900 baht to get the damsel out of the bar. Another 350 for a room. 3500 for ST? 5750 baht /182 USD you're joking, right? Dahm chai. LOL Please tell me I made some miscalculations.
Member #4591
04-24-18, 01:55
I think I read this correctly. 1900 baht to get the damsel out of the bar. Another 350 for a room. 3500 for ST? 5750 baht /182 USD you're joking, right? Dahm chai. LOL Please tell me I made some miscalculations.Yes you did. The cost to get the girl out of the bar was 700 Baht for the bar fine and 3000 Short time. Since when is the cost of drinks and a room part of the cost of getting a girl out of the bar? I could have taken her to my condo. I could have been a Cheap Charlie and ordered one beer. I could have taken the first lady. I could of not bought any lady drinks, just pointed at the girl on stage and said bar fine. I could have never left her a tip. Who goes to a bar and doesn't order any drinks? Lol lol. Or hey, better yet. I could have gone to Tulip and banged View bareback with a cream pie finish for one hour at a cost of 1,900 Baht all in. But instead, I like to mix it up and try different things. Im not sure where you came from but if you don't want to post anything sensible, then please just continue on reading. The last thing we need is another newbie complaining about the price other mongers pay for an evening out. Yes, I call you a newbie because you have 17 posts under your belt and not one post is you reporting about an encounter you had with a lady.
For me, this night comes down to something so simple and easy to understand. For 182 USD I had an evening out. Had a few beers, met and chatted with a few young ladies, bought some ladies a few drinks, listened to some music, watched some girls dancing, and shagged a lovely spinner.
Could you do my a favor and actually post a report about a girl, a location, the costs involved, your opinion of the experience, your opinion on whether to repeat or not? That would be great since thats what this board is actually about.
Steve 9696
04-24-18, 02:13
Yes yo did. The cost to get the girl out of the bar was 700 Baht for the bar fine and 3000 Short time. Since when is the cost of drinks and a room part of the cost of getting a girl out of the bar? I could have taken her to my condo. I could have been a Cheap Charlie and ordered one beer. I could have taken the first lady. I could of not bought any lady drinks, just pointed at the girl on stage and said bar fine. Who goes to a bar and doesn't order any drinks. I don't know what rock you crawled out from under but if you don't want to post anything sensible, then please just continue on reading. The last thing we need is another newbie complaining the price.
Could you do my a favor and actually post a report about a girl, a location, the costs involved, your opinion of the experience, your opinion on whether to repeat or not? That would be great since thats what this board is actually about.It really bums me out when guys get to arguing in here. And I don't want to get in the middle but I have to say everyone has a style and just let them roll with it. I'm kinda with BKK on this one. I enjoy going ti a few different bars and buying a bit of table side companionship and then move on. I love an evening of several different venues and different girls. And after a few hours ill find a favorite and head on.
That said. I have had girls in one of the bars try ti take advantage Deja Vu I think? Anyhow only happens once. Won't be back. Usually buying a few LDs is all part of the fun. If I counted all the dollars in the lead up it adds up. So I don't count. LOL.
For many people, having a few drinks, being in the club, taking your time choosing, this is all a part of the enjoyment of the experience. Savoring the moment. You only live once, no sense in not sniffing the aroma of the wine before you taste it.
For me, this night comes down to something so simple and easy to understand. For 182 USD I had an evening out. Had a few beers, met and chatted with a few young ladies, bought some ladies a few drinks, listened to some music, watched some girls dancing, and shagged a lovely spinner.,,
Could you do my a favor and actually post a report about a girl, a location, the costs involved, your opinion of the experience, your opinion on whether to repeat or not? That would be great since thats what this board is actually about.Hey,
If 182 USD for a couple of 35 baht beers and short time was good value to you, fine. I don't think I offered an opinion on how you spend your baht. I try to keep my opinions to myself unless asked for it. I was just stunned, that's all. Yep, a newbie to this board. Check my posts if you care.
The cost to get the girl out of the bar was 700 Baht for the bar fine and 3000 Short time. Since when is the cost of drinks and a room part of the cost of getting a girl out of the bar? I could have taken her to my condo. I could have been a Cheap Charlie and ordered one beer. I could have taken the first lady. I could of not bought any lady drinks, just pointed at the girl on stage and said bar fine. I could have never left her a tip. (snip)I am with you on this part. I have been guilty of including the cost of the Ladydrinks, taxi to and from and so on when I calculate how much this or that session ultimately cost me. But then I catch myself and realize that is not a realistic way to look at it AS LONG AS the rewards at the end were worth it. What if I hadn't taken the girl I bought 3 Ladydrinks for? What if I only bought Ladydrinks in 2-3 bars all night, never took a girl and went back to my apartment alone because I just didn't feel the right chemistry to do so on this particular night? Should I add the cost of all those Ladydrinks to the next "cost" of the session I do choose to take the next night? I say no. For now.
For now, I should consider the cost of my drinks and Ladydrinks to be paying for the entertainment I am enjoying at the moment; sitting in a cool bar, listening to the music (even if I don't care for it), watching bikini or less clad girls "dance", having a nearly naked girl on my lap, feeling her up, chatting with her, perhaps negotiating a take out session.
However, I also think it is valid and often good and proper criticism of a P4P destination to consider ALL costs leading up to ultimately getting well laid and/or blown by a girl of your choice. Even to the point of including the cost of airfare! If or when a destination like Bangkok becomes so prohibitively expensive for airfare, hotel rates, Ladydrinks, customer drinks, barfines, the girls' fees, etc., all perfectly valid topics of discussion on this and other such sites, that it clashes too much with the quality of the P4P session one is likely to finally get after all of the expenditure, I would hope it does not happen without at least SOME posters on boards like this one pushing back and warning against that unfortunate result, in at least some small way contributing to it NOT happening rather than placidly standing by in silence while it did.
Therefore, I don't agree with any move to lambaste and discourage those kinds of posts as well.
LATE EDIT: And then there is this:
Two drinks later and we were off to the short time room next door. 4 LD plus one for the Moma son and 2 beers for me was 1200 Baht. Bar fine 700 Baht and short time room 350 Baht. The rooms are brand new and very modern and clean.
-snip-
Damage was 3000ST and 500 tip. I could have got her for 2,500 and No tip but who cares. The extra 1000 won't klll me.
The way you reported this it appeared as though you were expecting us to add all of those costs into the final result (i.e. "off to the short time room next door"). If the total cost of Ladydrinks to the girls (including the one for the girl you didn't take in this bar), the mamasan, the ST room and so on should not have been factored in to the deal, then why did you factor them in here? I mean, why not just skip that part and tell us about the 700 baht barfine, the 3,000 baht you agreed to pay for ST and the 500 baht you added as an additional tip?
It seems like you were inviting us to calculate and factor in, along with you, all of those extras to come to the total cost of reaching the final result of getting a P4P session with this girl, even to the point of including the cost of a Ladydrink for the first girl who didn't pan out.
I am with you on this part. I have been guilty of including the cost of the Ladydrinks, taxi to and from and so on when I calculate how much this or that session ultimately cost me. But then I catch myself and realize that is not a realistic way to look at it AS LONG AS the rewards at the end were worth it. What if I hadn't taken the girl I bought 3 Ladydrinks for? What if I only bought Ladydrinks in 2-3 bars all night, never took a girl and went back to my apartment alone because I just didn't feel the right chemistry to do so on this particular night? Should I add the cost of all those Ladydrinks to the next "cost" of the session I do choose to take the next night? I say no. For now.
For now, I should consider the cost of my drinks and Ladydrinks to be paying for the entertainment I am enjoying at the moment; sitting in a cool bar, listening to the music (even if I don't care for it), watching bikini or less clad girls "dance", having a nearly naked girl on my lap, feeling her up, chatting with her, perhaps negotiating a take out session.
However, I also think it is valid and often good and proper criticism of a P4P destination to consider ALL costs leading up to ultimately getting well laid and/or blown by a girl of your choice. Even to the point of including the cost of airfare! If or when a destination like Bangkok becomes so prohibitively expensive for airfare, hotel rates, Ladydrinks, customer drinks, barfines, the girls' fees, etc., all perfectly valid topics of discussion on this and other such sites, that it clashes too much with the quality of the P4P session one is likely to finally get after all of the expenditure, I would hope it does not happen without at least SOME posters on boards like this one pushing back and warning against that unfortunate result, in at least some small way contributing to it NOT happening rather than placidly standing by in silence while it did.
Therefore, I don't agree with any move to lambaste and discourage those kinds of posts as well.Interesting to how each of us look at our hobby. I break down my cost and keep the cost of sex seperate as I am holidaying as well otherwise I will never leave my city and employ high class hookers monthly to soothe the beast that lies in me. Pretty much for me to go to Thailand for 1 week my cost is a maximum 125,000 TBH so if I calculate it per girl it would be about 5800 to 6250 each. I think each to his own and someone pays overs it really doesn't affect the market as much as some say it does. I will pay from 1000 to 1500ST for a freelancer and 2000 if really good and I have had a great time with from an agogo.
My perspective on this topic.
EihTooms & Bkkdog both great reports. Everything spelled out really clearly and a great benefit to the board.
Interesting to how each of us look at our hobby. I break down my cost and keep the cost of sex seperate as I am holidaying as well otherwise I will never leave my city and employ high class hookers monthly to soothe the beast that lies in me. Pretty much for me to go to Thailand for 1 week my cost is a maximum 125,000 TBH so if I calculate it per girl it would be about 5800 to 6250 each. I think each to his own and someone pays overs it really doesn't affect the market as much as some say it does. I will pay from 1000 to 1500ST for a freelancer and 2000 if really good and I have had a great time with from an agogo.
My perspective on this topic.Yes, I suspect at some point, sitting on the plane or during a layover, many of us calculate what the entire cost of the trip was and divide it by the number of fucks and sucks we got. LOL. If even for the fun of it. Now divide it by the really GOOD fucks and sucks we got. lol. And when that cost per lay begins to tilt too far in the wrong direction, it is likely it will take longer to book the next trip, right? Maybe by only a month or two. But I can't say it would never ever be a factor.
I live here. And if the cost of non sex-related fun and pleasure of living here, the stuff I have to deal with and pay for long before I enter a go-go bar, a bj bar or arrange a date with a non P4P girl, begins to tilt too far away from the value I am getting from the fucks and sucks, I'm out. I will go somewhere else.
Yesterday I went to Nana Plaza to one of my favourite bars there. It's Erotica. It's on the left side between the second and third floor in the corner. Chang beer were 95 Baht the last years. I asked the guy at the door if it's still 95 but he said no, now it's 120 Baht. It's still a good price so I asked again. One two zero Baht? He confirmed. I went inside and ordered a chang. I didn't check the bill (big mistake). After a while I paid a lady drink and another chang for me. I wasn't in the mood for the girl and asked for the bill. It comes with 510 Baht! Chang 170 Baht. I asked why 170 the guy said 120. She just said, no it's 170. I went to mamasan and asked her about the bill. She said the boys outside don't speak good English. It must be a misunderstanding, chang is 170. How can it be a misunderstanding? I asked twice. I paid the bill and left. After about an hour I came back and asked another guy at the door about the price. He also said 120 Baht. So for me it's getting people inside the bar by telling them a cheaper price. Rip off. Be careful if you go there or better don't go there at all. I will not.
By the way. LD 170, barfine 700, room 350 and the girl 2500 for short time. That 's at least what they said.
Franciscass
04-24-18, 09:02
For 182 USD I had an evening out. Had a few beers, met and chatted with a few young ladies, bought some ladies a few drinks, listened to some music, watched some girls dancing, and shagged a lovely spinner.An admirable perspective Dog. The odd thing about the post you responded to was usually newbies are all agog when they first arrive and money is the least of their priorities as compared to us old codgers who groan on about higher prices, lower service yada yada yada.
Getting laid here can be anything from 500 to 25000. High end escorts, 5* hotel club pickups, cowboy coyotes and go go's in general are at the high end all the way to the down on her luck street worker with myriad choices in-between.
So whatever your budget there is something for you. It's simple if you don't feel like spending an evening out costing 6000 don't. Plan instead to party where it costs 3000, 2000, 1000 or whatever you want to spend and enjoy.
Member #4591
04-24-18, 10:12
The way you reported this it appeared as though you were expecting us to add all of those costs into the final result (i.e. "off to the short time room next door"). If the total cost of Ladydrinks to the girls (including the one for the girl you didn't take in this bar), the mamasan, the ST room and so on should not have been factored in to the deal, then why did you factor them in here? I mean, why not just skip that part and tell us about the 700 baht barfine, the 3,000 baht you agreed to pay for ST and the 500 baht you added as an additional tip?
It seems like you were inviting us to calculate and factor in, along with you, all of those extras to come to the total cost of reaching the final result of getting a P4P session with this girl, even to the point of including the cost of a Ladydrink for the first girl who didn't pan out.Well. It is quite obvious why I posted all those details. If one wants to visit Thailand, they can see a real life example of how much a typical evening will cost at Nana Plaza and the condition of the short time rooms and so forth. Frankly, I am sick and tired of comments like the Op's on the board. Other members seem to appreciate my posts as they have been quoted in the reports of distinction thread on many occasions. Of course I want other members to calculate how much an evening will cost but it's completely ridiculous to say I want to invite others to factor in all those expenses into the cost per girl. Why the hell do we have to analyze posts to this extent? I like your reports but sometimes I just don't get you.
I suggest everyone just stop all this krap and submit reports. That way people can learn. Right now the forum is cluttered with so much garbage, its ridiculous!
Could you do my a favor and actually post a report about a girl, a location, the costs involved, your opinion of the experience, your opinion on whether to repeat or not? That would be great since thats what this board is actually about.Whoa! Forgot about this gem. You note that I've made 17 posts without addressing your interests.
Well. It is quite obvious why I posted all those details. If one wants to visit Thailand, they can see a real life example of how much a typical evening will cost at Nana Plaza and the condition of the short time rooms and so forth. Frankly, I am sick and tired of comments like the Op's on the board. Other members seem to appreciate my posts as they have been quoted in the reports of distinction thread on many occasions. Of course I want other members to calculate how much an evening will cost but it's completely ridiculous to say I want to invite others to factor in all those expenses into the cost per girl. Why the hell do we have to analyze posts to this extent? I like your reports but sometimes I just don't get you.
I suggest everyone just stop all this krap and submit reports. That way people can learn. Right now the forum is cluttered with so much garbage, its ridiculous!But, Bkkdog, you're the one doing a lot of analyzing of other people's posts. I don't think they are as nefarious or negatively intended as you seem to believe some are.
It looked like you were yourself factoring in the cost of the drinks in order to get to the final result when you introduced the calculations with, "Two drinks later and we were off to the short time room next door. 4 LD plus one for the Moma son and 2 beers for me was 1200 Baht," which, as I said, even included the cost of a Ladydrink for the girl you didn't take to a ST room. in fact, it included the cost of the two Ladydrinks for two ladies you didn't take into that ST room and your own drinks. It isn't as though you merely cited how much a Ladydrink costs in this bar. See, you added the costs of all of your LD purchases together, even those for two women who did not go into that ST room with you and your own drinks, and then framed it as though those costs ought to be factored into how you finally got into that ST room with one of them.
Come to think of it, maybe all of those additional costs DID have something to do with how good your girl was for you in that ST room. Did that ever occur to you? It sure would have occurred to ME had I been in your position. Perhaps the total cost ought to be part of this report in ways you hadn't fully realized. After all, your first choice girl, the first one you bought a LD for and interviewed but she came across as less than enthusiastic to do her job by being with you or anyone else, had no idea yet how much you were going to ultimately spend in that bar on her, the mamasan and all that. But the second one who did go into the ST room with you and gave you a good time saw the whole thing unfold and was able to do her own total calculations in her head. And then add 3,000 baht to that, perhaps even suspecting you would be generous enough to add an additional 500 baht or more if she really gave you her best. Not so unusual, remarkable or outrageous about factoring all of this into it.
Who says there is nothing to learn by "analyzing" some of these reports a tad more than one might think worthwhile when we first post them?
Considering that is not an unusual way for many of us to calculate the ultimate cost of the Big Event for the evening, it didn't even occur to me that the questioning of it would be met with such outrage. It's just not that big a deal. I would have responded with something more like, "Yeah, some guys might see it that way. But I don't. I feel like the money I spent on those extra costs provided their own entertainment value separate from the specific cost of the ST. And if spending that much contributed to my having as enjoyable a time in that ST room as I did, then I am all for it."
TrueBlue666
04-25-18, 11:29
Went to Thermae last night; it was packed with gals. Last time I was there was last year, and it didn't even come close to that. Maybe it's just my timing, but I wasn't expecting it on a Tuesday. Men were outnumbered at least 6 to 1. Some more guys showed up at random times, but the numbers never even got close to 3 to 1. Not a crazy amount of lookers, though. I chatted with a couple, but they indicated I was the wrong color. A couple of the other white guys seemed to be doing fine, but they were chatting up some of the 30 some odd year old looking ones while I was chatting up the early 20's ones. The guys I was hanging out with indicated that their partners for the night (who also seemed to be friends or at least a clique of some sort) took 2.5 k baht and 2 k baht for short time. Their girls weren't really my type though (appeared to be early 30's) so I ended up opting not to grab a girl from that group. Quite a few girls were staring me down (when not buried in their phones), so it's not like I was getting no attention, but again, not my type. Beer is still cheap-ish for that kind of establishment at 110 baht a bottle for a singha so I ended up just drinking for a while and leaving 'round 11.
On the topic of those types of establishments, anything comparable to Thermae around anymore? There used to be that Lions Den place with the shark tank, but that's gone now. I see mention of a Beer Garden or maybe it's Bier Garten but I'm really not familiar with it. I saw a Beer Garden on soi 7 but the crowd looked significantly older at the time so I'm not sure that's the one that's discussed. I know Climax is also mostly a working girl pick up joint, but I'm not really in love with the atmosphere. Recommendations welcome. Thanks.
Do they exist in BKK? I was doing some research and I came across names of 2 clubs that supposedly had South American ladies (Columbian) but both those clubs have now shut down. So does anyone know if there is any club / bar in BKK where one can find Columbian or Brazilian ladies? I did RTFF but couldn't find anything. I'll be in BKK this coming weekend to fuck my Uzbek lady friend for 3 days but wouldn't mind trying someone else on the side.
Thanks!
Cheers.
Having read the forums on and off I thought it about time I made a contribution by reporting on how I got on this past week.
Nana / Soi Cowboy:
Had a wonder around and a fair few stunners to be seen in Rainbow 4, Billboard and Bacarra. Watching interaction with other customers and noticed very few girls offering LT. All offering ST around the 3500 baht mark plus bar fines. I think many went home without any customers as there wasn't a high uptake. I stayed for one drink in each and moved on.
Oily Massage:
I love a good massage, but I'm super fussy about who I choose. I found the selection this week pretty poor if I'm honest. 102 Massage in Soi 24 had for me by far the best lineup. I had a good session there and I'd say there was something for everyone on offer here. Exploring further, I also recommend Pin at Boss Massage. Age 25 with a great figure and she provided a fantastic service. Cost was 2200 baht for 2 shots. She had great massage skills, and a very playful personality right from the start through to the end of the session. I was passing a couple of evenings later, wondering about a massage when she spotted me and rushed over, gave me a big hug and dragged me in for a repeat session. Decision made for me! My second recommendation is Mugi at Mitu on Soi 33 - age 21 with slender model looks with an amazing figure and a great super sexy attitude. This place is for nuru and soapy massages with rates set more like the larger soapy establishments. 2 shots with Mugi was 4600 baht but was probably one of the best experiences ever. After the B2B and first round on the air mattress she couldn't wait to jump me again and get started on the bed for round 2. As with Pim we went through every position imaginable and she was determined to satisfy.
Thermae:
I went in around midnight and it was quite quiet. A lot of youngsters there but nothing much to my taste. After a short while someone caught my eye. A very elegant late 20's lady offered me some sweets she was sharing around. We ended up chatting which was when I discovered just how super fit she was, hiding an amazing body. We were thrown out at closing around 2 am, then went on to a few bars until around 4 after which we headed back to my hotel for a great session. She was working the following day so left early morning but offered to take me out on the town the following evening after work. We had great fun that second evening and all night in fact. It was a full-on girlfriend experience that was most enjoyable. What made the whole experience for me was that at no stage did money come up in conversation. Not once. When we went our separate ways the following day we exchanged details and I gave her the equivalent of what she would have earned which she was very appreciative of but didn't ask for. Why pay for something free you may wonder? Well it was what I had budgeted, well worth every penny, and will hopefully ensure I'm looked after another time our paths cross.
Do they exist in BKK? I was doing some research and I came across names of 2 clubs that supposedly had South American ladies (Columbian) but both those clubs have now shut down. So does anyone know if there is any club / bar in BKK where one can find Columbian or Brazilian ladies? I did RTFF but couldn't find anything. I'll be in BKK this coming weekend to fuck my Uzbek lady friend for 3 days but wouldn't mind trying someone else on the side.
Thanks!
Cheers.Try Mixx. A couple of years I went to this disco and met several ladies from Colombia. As you can imagine, they were hardened pro's but they were attractive.
Well. It is quite obvious why I posted all those details. If one wants to visit Thailand, they can see a real life example of how much a typical evening will cost at Nana Plaza and the condition of the short time rooms and so forth. Frankly, I am sick and tired of comments like the Op's on the board. Other members seem to appreciate my posts as they have been quoted in the reports of distinction thread on many occasions. Of course I want other members to calculate how much an evening will cost but it's completely ridiculous to say I want to invite others to factor in all those expenses into the cost per girl. Why the hell do we have to analyze posts to this extent? I like your reports but sometimes I just don't get you.
I suggest everyone just stop all this krap and submit reports. That way people can learn. Right now the forum is cluttered with so much garbage, its ridiculous!You and I share the same goal; to have a great evening / afternoon with the talking, drinking, and watching as a necessary prelude the main event. So, I enjoyed reading your posts and I find them helpful. In a similar sense, my total expenditures might equal twice the cost of actual time alone with the girl. My most recent experience was at Som's Haven. I went there for mid-day sojourn and was immediately grabbed by a rather heavy, loud, tattooed woman. I was assured by Som that she was an "absolute expert" and that no one else would be available for another 30 minutes. I probably could have received excellent oral and been out of there in 30 min for 700 baht. But I chose instead to hang out, drink some beer and had an opportunity to talk to four of the girls before I settled on a cute little spinner MILF. She was 33 years old and has two kids. I know she's not really your type but I'm a little older so it was perfect for me. Excellent attitude, cute face and shape, and near perfect English, also very self-conscious of her smallish breast size. I assured her, not a problem for me. I spent about three hours with her, drank some beer, met her sister and one of her friends, received excellent massage and full-service with a stellar finish. I went back to the hotel with a big smile and took a long nap. An afternoon at a BJ Bar was a total expenditure was about 3500 baht and worth every baht to me.
Member #4698
04-26-18, 20:41
My most recent experience was at Som's Haven. <SNIP> I probably could have received excellent oral and been out of there in 30 min for 700 baht. But I chose instead to hang out, drink some beer and had an opportunity to talk to four of the girls before I settled on a cute little spinner MILF. She was 33 years old and has two kids. I know she's not really your type but I'm a little older so it was perfect for me. Excellent attitude, cute face and shape, and near perfect English, also very self-conscious of her smallish breast size. I assured her, not a problem for me. I spent about three hours with her, drank some beer, met her sister and one of her friends, received excellent massage and full-service with a stellar finish. I went back to the hotel with a big smile and took a long nap. An afternoon at a BJ Bar was a total expenditure was about 3500 baht and worth every baht to me.This is an interesting story. I am glad you had a good time. It does not matter if the girl is not my type or anyone else's type. If you like this girl and want to see her again, you might want to consider taking her out of Som's to your hotel. A 2 hour outcall would be around 800 baht extra on top of Som's normal full service 2 hour fee.
P.S. Welcome to the forum. Nice 1st report.
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My most recent experience was at Som's Haven. I went there for mid-day sojourn and was immediately grabbed by a rather heavy, loud, tattooed woman. I was assured by Som that she was an "absolute expert" and that no one else would be available for another 30 minutes. I probably could have received excellent oral and been out of there in 30 min for 700 baht. But I chose instead to hang out, drink some beer and had an opportunity to talk to four of the girls before I settled on a cute little spinner MILF. She was 33 years old and has two kids. I know she's not really your type but I'm a little older so it was perfect for me. Excellent attitude, cute face and shape, and near perfect English, also very self-conscious of her smallish breast size. I assured her, not a problem for me. I spent about three hours with her, drank some beer, met her sister and one of her friends, received excellent massage and full-service with a stellar finish. I went back to the hotel with a big smile and took a long nap. An afternoon at a BJ Bar was a total expenditure was about 3500 baht and worth every baht to me.Thanks for the report. I am surprised Som was there. She has not been present the last few times I stopped by and other previous Som's Haven regulars have been saying the same. And, hate to say it, but I think you made the right move in ignoring Som's high recommendation for that or any other girl in the place these days. I would not have said that 3-4 years ago when she used to be very good at steering me towards some of the best providers I have ever experienced in a BJ Bar. Then she would say something in Thai to the girl as we started to go upstairs and, whatever it was, those earlier Som's Haven girls she recommended to me really delivered the goods beyond expectations.
But that took a turn at some point and, frankly, her recommendations over the past 2-3 years turned out to be some of the worst I have ever experienced. Not that she purposely tries to pawn off the worst, least popular (deservedly so) providers onto whoever is ready to choose. I just think she no longer has a clue or cares which ones are good, bad or indifferent, what they do upstairs, whether they get enthusiastic repeat customers or what the repercussions might be if the customer is not well taken care of. Consequently, I have only taken 1-2 girls there over the past couple of years. I have stopped in to have a drink and say hi to Som, who is now rarely there. But I am no longer inspired to take a girl upstairs very often.
On the topic of those types of establishments, anything comparable to Thermae around anymore? There used to be that Lions Den place with the shark tank, but that's gone now. I see mention of a Beer Garden or maybe it's Bier Garten but I'm really not familiar with it. I saw a Beer Garden on soi 7 but the crowd looked significantly older at the time so I'm not sure that's the one that's discussed. I know Climax is also mostly a working girl pick up joint, but I'm not really in love with the atmosphere. Recommendations welcome. Thanks.The Beer Garden in Soi 7 is "the" well known and traditional one.
Full of MILF types, a few youngsters can be found, mostly inexperienced and poor English. The hardened ladies are more skilled.
You can eat, drink with no pressure in there. Of course you get some eyes and attempts to lure you but it is all easy going.
Seen the developments going on the area, I am expecting thst land sooner or later will be taken to build a multi storey hotel or a mall. Beer Garden will disappear and a piece of bkk history will be gone.
Uncle Volodya
04-27-18, 04:42
On the topic of those types of establishments, anything comparable to Thermae around anymore? There used to be that Lions Den place with the shark tank, but that's gone now. I see mention of a Beer Garden or maybe it's Bier Garten but I'm really not familiar with it. I saw a Beer Garden on soi 7 but the crowd looked significantly older at the time so I'm not sure that's the one that's discussed. I know Climax is also mostly a working girl pick up joint, but I'm not really in love with the atmosphere. Recommendations welcome. Thanks.Unfortunately Thermae is your best bet for FL action in Sukhumvit. Besides Thermae its really mostly 30+ year old older girls.
Biergarten is all older ladies. 40+. The 30 somethings from Thermae would be the youngest ones there.
Climaxx is now gone. Completely shut.
Oskar is also more older girls. High class, nicely dressed and coiffed and they ask an arm and a leg. But an occasional young gem can be found there.
The crowd form Oskar goes to Levels later in the evening. Otherwise not much there.
Insanity sucks. Did not see one attractive girl when I was there (maybe because they had a concert and were charging at the door).
Hilary bars on Nana are worth a peek for FL action. But like finding a needle in a haystack.
Member #4591
04-27-18, 11:09
You and I share the same goal; to have a great evening / afternoon with the talking, drinking, and watching as a necessary prelude the main event. So, I enjoyed reading your posts and I find them helpful. In a similar sense, my total expenditures might equal twice the cost of actual time alone with the girl. My most recent experience was at Som's Haven. I went there for mid-day sojourn and was immediately grabbed by a rather heavy, loud, tattooed woman. I was assured by Som that she was an "absolute expert" and that no one else would be available for another 30 minutes. I probably could have received excellent oral and been out of there in 30 min for 700 baht. But I chose instead to hang out, drink some beer and had an opportunity to talk to four of the girls before I settled on a cute little spinner MILF. She was 33 years old and has two kids. I know she's not really your type but I'm a little older so it was perfect for me. Excellent attitude, cute face and shape, and near perfect English, also very self-conscious of her smallish breast size. I assured her, not a problem for me. I spent about three hours with her, drank some beer, met her sister and one of her friends, received excellent massage and full-service with a stellar finish. I went back to the hotel with a big smile and took a long nap. An afternoon at a BJ Bar was a total expenditure was about 3500 baht and worth every baht to me.Great example. I myself like to do the same when I go out.
Member #4591
04-27-18, 11:11
Do they exist in BKK? I was doing some research and I came across names of 2 clubs that supposedly had South American ladies (Columbian) but both those clubs have now shut down. So does anyone know if there is any club / bar in BKK where one can find Columbian or Brazilian ladies? I did RTFF but couldn't find anything. I'll be in BKK this coming weekend to fuck my Uzbek lady friend for 3 days but wouldn't mind trying someone else on the side.
Thanks!
Cheers.There is also a dedicated thread for this topic which if you read it, you might find some info. Just a suggestion.
Member #4591
04-27-18, 11:15
Insanity sucks. Did not see one attractive girl when I was there (maybe because they had a concert and were charging at the door).I myself would have to say that Insanity is hit and miss. However, it has adopted most if not all of the working girls who used to frequent Climax so the talent is there. You just need to weed through all the people. I myself have had great times in there. One in particular which ended with BBFS CIP with an extremely attractive girl. Damage was 3,000 for 2 hours. I could have gotten it for 2,500 but I never see the point of haggling over 500 Baht. It normally makes the session go much smoother.
Uncle Volodya
04-27-18, 20:39
I myself would have to say that Insanity is hit and miss. However, it has adopted most if not all of the working girls who used to frequent Climax so the talent is there. You just need to weed through all the people. I myself have had great times in there. One in particular which ended with BBFS CIP with an extremely attractive girl. Damage was 3,000 for 2 hours. I could have gotten it for 2,500 but I never see the point of haggling over 500 Baht. It normally makes the session go much smoother.Admittedly I was only there once. But I never did like the Old Insanity either so perhaps this is why I was so quick to judge. Maybe worth another look. Though I think next time in BKK I will probably stay in Patpong and focus on the gogos there.
Thanks for the report. I am surprised Som was there. She has not been present the last few times I stopped by and other previous Som's Haven regulars have been saying the same. And, hate to say it, but I think you made the right move in ignoring Som's high recommendation for that or any other girl in the place these days. I would not have said that 3-4 years ago when she used to be very good at steering me towards some of the best providers I have ever experienced in a BJ Bar. Then she would say something in Thai to the girl as we started to go upstairs and, whatever it was, those earlier Som's Haven girls she recommended to me really delivered the goods beyond expectations.
But that took a turn at some point and, frankly, her recommendations over the past 2-3 years turned out to be some of the worst I have ever experienced. Not that she purposely tries to pawn off the worst, least popular (deservedly so) providers onto whoever is ready to choose. I just think she no longer has a clue or cares which ones are good, bad or indifferent, what they do upstairs, whether they get enthusiastic repeat customers or what the repercussions might be if the customer is not well taken care of. Consequently, I have only taken 1-2 girls there over the past couple of years. I have stopped in to have a drink and say hi to Som, who is now rarely there. But I am no longer inspired to take a girl upstairs very often.I think she has lost interest in personally running the business because she doesn't have to. She can make just as much money off of her girls as any repeat customer. I doubt there is a single lady in a given month that has not paid 1000's of baht for a sick day, family emergency or even being a few minutes late (note the time clock behind the bar). I understand the need to demand some discipline in your work force to run a successful business but I would guess that some of the poor performance is due to the lady being sick and not able to afford a day off. I'm sure this is why she has such a large staff. No cost at all to her and the opportunity to make money when they service a customer or need to take time off. That said there are a few hard working ladies there so I still like to visit on occasion and I am quite satisfied with the service.
Do they exist in BKK? I was doing some research and I came across names of 2 clubs that supposedly had South American ladies (Columbian) but both those clubs have now shut down. So does anyone know if there is any club / bar in BKK where one can find Columbian or Brazilian ladies? I did RTFF but couldn't find anything. I'll be in BKK this coming weekend to fuck my Uzbek lady friend for 3 days but wouldn't mind trying someone else on the side.
Thanks!
Cheers.I am currently in Saô Paulo, Brazil, after spending 10 days in Colombia. I can tell you that the service you get locally is far superior to what you get overseas from these girls. I had a couple of Colombian girls at the FKKs over the years, and the service was way below par. That is because typically only hardcore girls go overseas to work, and they are more focused on making money than giving good service. I like Colombian girls. Besides the FKKs, you may find them in Hong Kong, Singapore, and China. I don't know about Thailand.
Had some things to do in Bangkok on Friday, so took the BTS up from home, and decided to stay the weekend.
Friday night I fell asleep and didn't wake up until 2 am, but it was kind of fun to walk around Soi 4 at that time (and later) and see all of the offers thrown my way. I was really still half asleep, and hadn't planned on partaking, but this cute little gal from Pattaya made me an offer I couldn't say no to.
If you're pretty cute, have a nice little body (doesn't have to be perfect), have your hand up my shorts, and I'm STILL fighting off the urge to go with you, well: offering 1000 Baht (room price included) will certainly sway my decision making. I got her name, but forgot to put it in my phone, didn't get her LINE, but I was going to meet up with her the next night, but she said she was going back to Pattaya. I said, maybe I'll see you down there one weekend. And then failed to get any contact info.
I WAS in a haze.
Saturday night, after a busy day, I decided to just go hang in some of the clubs, have a few drinks and observe. I was again, really impressed with BUTTERFLIES. The place was very upbeat, well lit, and they had a young, attractive group of ladies there, all in day glo bikini's (someone is making some good decision's in this place). And really, an extra point for the place in that the number of girls eye Fkking me from stage was better than at any other place I went to that night. I like this club.
I then realized there were bars in Nana I had never been in before. WELL known go go bars, and I figured now would be a good time to check them out. Twister Bar I went into for the first time and even though the selection I thought was only fair (#921 had a sweet little body, cute face, and hot ass), the place had a decent crowd partying and having fun. I need to explore more often!
Rainbow 4, I had never been in! Now they had a decent selection of ladies. A few I thought were very much worthy, AND they had a rockin' crowd. I had no idea! Before Butterflies, I had stopped in Mandarin and whatever the one is to the left of it that goes upstairs. I just pretended I was looking for someone, because I didn't want to even stay and have a water.
I spent the longest time at Billboard (naturally), partly so I could Shazam the DJ's playlist for some cool remixes, though he wasn't really doing any real mixing, just playing popular stuff and slamming them back to back. Not a slag to him, the crowd was enjoying the music, it just wasn't like at Baccara, where they're actually mixing and matching beats, and no one is paying any attention except my goofy ass. Just sayin'.
Anyway, Billboard had some good eye candy. In particular, a guy sitting near me had #39. She has kind of a square jaw or something, still pretty, for sure, and maybe a little larger boob job than necessary (who am I to say? But man, what a hot, flawless body. Smokin' hot. He left with her after a few rounds of drinks and grinding.
I saw #54 each time it was her turn to go onstage, with a tall, slender body and a perfect ass, but she'd never be there when the stage would come around for a second showing. I couldn't see where or who she was sitting with, or if it was even the same guy buying her down, but she would literally last one rotation on stage each time. Pretty sure she was a smaller boob size (always looking at that ass and then. Boom. Gone), but still very hot.
Bangkok Bunnies, I went through. The waitresses drive me nuts there. Saw Margie, to me, the hottest gal in Nana, but she was busy with someone and didn't get a chance to talk. I need to see her again for sure one of these nights. Lollipop has some ok girls, for such a small club, though I'm pretty sure I see a Post-op in there on stage, that I used to have a few drinks with. Hmmm. Anyway, that's about it. Got mauled by a few Ladyboys on the way home, appreciate the attention, but went home alone, not much else to report.
Yesterday I went to Nana Plaza to one of my favourite bars there. It's Erotica. It's on the left side between the second and third floor in the corner. Chang beer were 95 Baht the last years. I asked the guy at the door if it's still 95 but he said no, now it's 120 Baht. It's still a good price so I asked again. One two zero Baht? He confirmed. I went inside and ordered a chang. I didn't check the bill (big mistake). After a while I paid a lady drink and another chang for me. I wasn't in the mood for the girl and asked for the bill. It comes with 510 Baht! Chang 170 Baht. I asked why 170 the guy said 120. She just said, no it's 170. I went to mamasan and asked her about the bill. She said the boys outside don't speak good English. It must be a misunderstanding, chang is 170. How can it be a misunderstanding? I asked twice. I paid the bill and left. After about an hour I came back and asked another guy at the door about the price. He also said 120 Baht. So for me it's getting people inside the bar by telling them a cheaper price. Rip off. Be careful if you go there or better don't go there at all. I will not.
By the way. LD 170, barfine 700, room 350 and the girl 2500 for short time. That 's at least what they said.I can't say I have ever been in Erotica. I don't remember it.
Yes its a big mistake to ask anyone outside the bar or even talk to them. We hear reports of scams in the ladyboy bars as well, and the Arab's bars in Soi cowboy (Kiss, Sahara, Deja Vu, Midnite, Spice Girls, Rio) are now not to be visited unless you want to meet the Thai bouncers after getting an inflated bill.
Stay with the recommended bars. I always check my bill in any bar I am not used to, especially after ordering the first drink. Many bars will show you a menu of prices for drinks.
Yesterday I went to Nana Plaza to one of my favourite bars there. It's Erotica. It's on the left side between the second and third floor in the corner. Chang beer were 95 Baht the last years. I asked the guy at the door if it's still 95 but he said no, now it's 120 Baht. It's still a good price so I asked again. One two zero Baht? He confirmed. I went inside and ordered a chang. I didn't check the bill (big mistake). After a while I paid a lady drink and another chang for me. I wasn't in the mood for the girl and asked for the bill. It comes with 510 Baht! Chang 170 Baht. I asked why 170 the guy said 120. She just said, no it's 170. I went to mamasan and asked her about the bill. She said the boys outside don't speak good English. It must be a misunderstanding, chang is 170. How can it be a misunderstanding? I asked twice. I paid the bill and left. After about an hour I came back and asked another guy at the door about the price. He also said 120 Baht. So for me it's getting people inside the bar by telling them a cheaper price. Rip off. Be careful if you go there or better don't go there at all. I will not.
By the way. LD 170, barfine 700, room 350 and the girl 2500 for short time. That 's at least what they said.I must have missed this post when it first appeared and just now caught it when Syzygies quoted from it.
Ok, this might sound weird, but in my experience the absolute most often misunderstood number when spoken by a Thai person speaking English is when they say "70". It ALWAYS sounds to me like they are saying "20" instead of "70". It happens so often, whenever I hear a Thai person saying what sounds to me like "120", "220" or whatever, I automatically assume they are actually saying "170", "270" and so on. And if I test it I am never surprised when I give them one or two hundred baht notes along with a 20 baht note and they look at me and wait like I haven't given them rest of it. Ask them to repeat it and they will still say something that sounds like "20" and not "70".
Seriously. It happens at the cinema snack bars, the restaurants, the malls, everywhere. It is not a trick or a scam. There is just something about the way a native Thai speaker says "70" in English that sounds like they are saying "20" to us. They stumble over the "s", it come out sounding like a "t", the "v" comes out as a "w" (typical in Thai speaking) and then they separate the syllables and emphasize them in a way we native English speakers don't expect to hear in the word "70".
It comes out as "teh-wen-ty" (70), which a native English speaker would assume is the way a non native English speaker might say "20", right?
Btw, I am not a big fan of Erotica go-go bar because the girls in there rarely paid any attention to me, a farang, once I sat down and bought a drink. But they did seem to be very, very interested whenever an old Asian guy or guys come in. But I haven't been in there for so long, at least a couple of years, maybe that trend has changed.
Seriously. It happens at the cinema snack bars, the restaurants, the malls, everywhere. It is not a trick or a scam. There is just something about the way a native Thai speaker says "70" in English that sounds like they are saying "20" to us. They stumble over the "s", it come out sounding like a "t", the "v" comes out as a "w" (typical in Thai speaking) and then they separate the syllables and emphasize them in a way we native English speakers don't expect to hear in the word "70".
It comes out as "teh-wen-ty" (70), which a native English speaker would assume is the way a non native English speaker might say "20", right?
LOL.
20 should sound like Ta-wen-tee and 70 should sound like Se-wen-tee. S sound on start of a syllable is quite normal in Thai language so I do not really understand why they would stumble on it. I probably rarely experience these things since I would only ever ask the price in Thai language, but for sure I get confused if they answer in English. I understand Thai a lot better than Thais speaking poor English.
I have a great of problem hearing a difference between 15 and 50 from Thais. They most certainly cannot say "The sixth sick Shiek's sixth sheep is sick" or even get remotely close, let alone say it fast. "x", "ks", and "th" don't exist in Thai sounds, and "xth" is quite ridiculous.
Thais sometimes have difficulty picking the difference between my 21 and 28 in Thai.
21 is "Yee-sip et" and 28 is "Yee-sip Bpaet" (tones do not differ). I have to make sure I say the last syllable very distinctly, as obviously my accent is having some effect. The later has a much wider open mouth as well has having the beginning consonant and a long vowel instead of short, so the two do not seem at all similar. Perhaps I fail to close my mouth sufficiently on "Et" and make it short enough and separate it from the "p" on the end of "sip". So I can see where the problem lies, and make an effort to be extra distinct and clear. American drawl would make it even worse (fortunately I am not American with exaggerated long vowel sounds). Americans speaking Thai can sound so funny with drawl effects. Hopefully some American speakers can reduce or eliminate that.
I like bars where girls pay no attention to me until I give them the signal. LOL
I am currently in Sa Paulo, Brazil, after spending 10 days in Colombia. I can tell you that the service you get locally is far superior to what you get overseas from these girls. I had a couple of Colombian girls at the FKKs over the years, and the service was way below par. That is because typically only hardcore girls go overseas to work, and they are more focused on making money than giving good service. I like Colombian girls. Besides the FKKs, you may find them in Hong Kong, Singapore, and China. I don't know about Thailand.They also not look much for repeat customers anyhow.
In FKK there is a rotation, in Asia, too as they travel the circuit. Their customer base comes and goes and it is unlinkely the same customer calls them for a repeat during the course of their stay.
They mainly sort out a hitch.
Is it just me or is it awfully difficult to find a decent looking girl during daytime around Soi 4?
I did most bars along the street, but only met below average looking girls.
I finally picked up a not too bad looking girl who's sat at the corner of Soi 4 and Nana City hotel (she's there every day), name Kan (I guess), paid 2000 short time for a pretty good fuck.
LOL.
20 should sound like Ta-wen-tee and 70 should sound like Se-wen-tee. S sound on start of a syllable is quite normal in Thai language so I do not really understand why they would stumble on it.I don't know why either. But many times the word "70" does not start with a clean and clear "s" when they say "70" in English. Like maybe they are tempted to say "jet sib" and out comes a "j" or hard "ch" sound that comes close enough to a "t" to fool the native English speaker's ear into thinking the word is "20", especially when it is followed by "wen-ty" instead of "venty". But even when I am aware and prepared for the possibility, that word "seventy" still sounds for all the world to be "tehwenty".
However, that would not exactly account for what the Erotica go-go bar doorman was up to when the customer asked for further confirmation by indicating "1-2-zero?" But by then I assume the doorman did what most Thai service people do and just zone out and start thinking how he is going to master that Candy Crush game as soon as he gets to his smartphone.
Is it just me or is it awfully difficult to find a decent looking girl during daytime around Soi 4?
I did most bars along the street, but only met below average looking girls.
I finally picked up a not too bad looking girl who's sat at the corner of Soi 4 and Nana City hotel (she's there every day), name Kan (I guess), paid 2000 short time for a pretty good fuck.Daytime better relay on Thai friendly. Bar or gogo girls being at home looking for some extra and of "night" quality.
Bearing in mind the night hawks can't stsnd on the street 20 hrs a day.
But surely can lay on somebody's bed for a fee.
Dear All,
Been away for a while, during my last visit to BKK, much surprise at NEP, there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. Also was quoted LT at 6500 to 7000 BHT. I wonder if there is any inflation around that place as normally in the past LT at BHT 4500 and ST at BHT 2500 marked, any update info on the on going rate as well as BF of the club?
Cheers,
MD.
Member #4591
05-02-18, 13:53
The night started out great with a good dinner at the English pub on Soi 4 opposite Hillary. After that, I remembered a post by Monkeypaw about a hot girl from a bar named Heidelberg. It is just a few doors down from Hillary. As I arrived, there were no girls sitting outside, no girls inside, and only a few old men siting inside. I asked the waitress if there were ever any girls working there and she replied never. We are only a restaurant and hotel. I confirmed and even mentioned about my friend. She replied that the boss did not like the idea of freelancers hanging around and never ever allowed it.
I then moved on to Nana Plaza. First, after sticking my head into the usual haunts and. Not seeing anything worthwhile, I went into Billboard. A huge selection of girls on both the normal stage and on the jacuzzi side. On this night however, the quality was just not to my liking. I really wanted to get laid so I chose number 48. A very cute little spinner with a great petit body and dark tanned skin. Not my normal style but I was game. Invited her down for a drink. Was cohersed into the normal 2 drinks you must buy when you request a lady who is already dancing. Alas, when she arrived, there was absolutely no chemistry at all and after she finished her drinks, I cut her loose. A clear sign of a bad session.
Then I moved onto twisters. I looked in and there were a lot of girls on both stages but the club was rammed with customers so I didn't stay.
OK, so I decided I will go back to butterflies after my good experience from before. Saw my previous little spinner but I think after the good pounding I gave her before, she prefers Asian customers as she didn't even look my way. The selection and quality of young girls there was excellent again. After ordering my beer, I asked a waitress to call over a real cute spinner from the jacuzzi side. Here's where things started to go downhill. The waitress said you must buy two drinks for her. I said I already know and that was fine. Then she asked me again. I said in Thai Mai pen rai, which means no problem. Then she went to the stage and spoke to the girl. After that, again with the question about 2 lady drinks. I said again, I understand. Finally, the girl came over, got her drinks and sat down. We had some good chit chat and then I asked her if she wanted another drink and she said, I will go to the toilet and be right back. When she returned I said what would you like to drink? She said she has to go dance. I said but we are drinking together and how many more drinks would you like? I'm ok to buy them. I offered 6 all at the same time. She just stood up and walked away. At this point, I was furious and she was obviously just trying to get a couple of extra Last drinks and then go back to another customer. Low and behold, as I insisted to talk with the manager, I was told she had already agreed to go with another customer and bar fine. Confirmed dirt bag move by the girl and the waitress. Hence the many questions about two lady drinks. After that, I just paid my bill and left. I debated about not paying for her two drinks but decided it was not worth the trouble.
At that point, it started to rain heavily so I decided to exit Nana Plaza and head to Hillary. The rain was so hard that I stopped under the umbrella where the security were sitting out front of Nana Plaza to think for a few minutes on where to go. One young security guard out of the 4 that were there, motioned his hand at me in a very impolite manner and waved me to move on. I said in Thai, why are you so impolite? He just laughed at me and waved me out again. At this point I was furious and started yelling at him. To make a long story short, the other three big guys came to his aide and I ended up having to leave with a half assed apology from this little kid. The three big guys started pushing me out and there was nothing else I could do.
So what's the morrow of this story? You will have good and bad nights out mongering and one bad night does not always mean the location is always that way. Just last week, I had a great time. Also it may be beneficial to have the lady commit to a barfine before buying drinks for her. I'm normally very good at spotting this game but this night was a little strange. Anyways, I hope this helps someone else who is planning a night out in Nana. It can happen to anyone of us. Even the experienced.
Member #4591
05-02-18, 13:55
Dear All,
Been away for a while, during my last visit to BKK, much surprise at NEP, there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. Also was quoted LT at 6500 to 7000 BHT. I wonder if there is any inflation around that place as normally in the past LT at BHT 4500 and ST at BHT 2500 marked, any update info on the on going rate as well as BF of the club?
Cheers,
MD.There is no inflation. The girls will do this because they really don't want to go LT. I have experienced this there before. A few times I called the girl on it by accepting and they still decided not to go with me.
Member #4591
05-02-18, 13:57
Is it just me or is it awfully difficult to find a decent looking girl during daytime around Soi 4?
I did most bars along the street, but only met below average looking girls.
I finally picked up a not too bad looking girl who's sat at the corner of Soi 4 and Nana City hotel (she's there every day), name Kan (I guess), paid 2000 short time for a pretty good fuck.I have had the same problem. That's when I normally head to Soi 7/1, Soi 24, soi 24/1, or Soi 26 for a massage.
There is no inflation. The girls will do this because they really don't want to go LT. I have experienced this there before. A few times I called the girl on it by accepting and they still decided not to go with me.Thanks for the reply, so the rate around should be how much be it LT or ST? Also how much for the Barfine?
Member #4591
05-02-18, 14:10
Thanks for the reply, so the rate around should be how much be it LT or ST? Also how much for the Barfine?Short time 2,000-3,000 and LT should be no more than 5,000. Normally 3,500-5,000. Bar fine should be 600-700 Baht but a few coyotes may ask 1,000-1,500. I hope this does not start another price debate so please note these are my experiences.
Short time 2,000-3,000 and LT should be no more than 5,000. Normally 3,500-5,000. Bar fine should be 600-700 Baht but a few coyotes may ask 1,000-1,500. I hope this does not start another price debate so please note these are my experiences.Thanks! That give me some guidelines now as I am about to visit BKK soon. Last time I mostly hang out at Beirgarten but girls quality there is not quite good. Mostly Mid to older lady.
Dear All,
Been away for a while, during my last visit to BKK, much surprise at NEP, there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. Also was quoted LT at 6500 to 7000 BHT. I wonder if there is any inflation around that place as normally in the past LT at BHT 4500 and ST at BHT 2500 marked, any update info on the on going rate as well as BF of the club?
Cheers,
MD.What did you mean "there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. " What is "est"?
What did you mean "there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. " What is "est"?Some bar move from one place to the other and some bar change to other name. Rainbow 4 from 2nd floor move to 3rd I guess, but there's some changes I observed.
True. There might be a misunderstanding between 120 and 170 but not between one-two-zero and one-seven-zero, even more because I used my fingers to show the numbers. But that was probably the reason. The game on the smartphone was more important than a farang asking silly question. Just say yes and let me go back to my game. LOL.
I don't know why either. But many times the word "70" does not start with a clean and clear "s" when they say "70" in English. Like maybe they are tempted to say "jet sib" and out comes a "j" or hard "ch" sound that comes close enough to a "t" to fool the native English speaker's ear into thinking the word is "20", especially when it is followed by "wen-ty" instead of "venty". But even when I am aware and prepared for the possibility, that word "seventy" still sounds for all the world to be "tehwenty".
However, that would not exactly account for what the Erotica go-go bar doorman was up to when the customer asked for further confirmation by indicating "1-2-zero?" But by then I assume the doorman did what most Thai service people do and just zone out and start thinking how he is going to master that Candy Crush game as soon as he gets to his smartphone.
What did you mean "there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. " What is "est"?That would probably be "establishment". Heard that in the Philippines a bit describing the Angeles gogo bars.
ChinaSki111
05-03-18, 10:55
Is it just me or is it awfully difficult to find a decent looking girl during daytime around Soi 4?
I did most bars along the street, but only met below average looking girls.
I finally picked up a not too bad looking girl who's sat at the corner of Soi 4 and Nana City hotel (she's there every day), name Kan (I guess), paid 2000 short time for a pretty good fuck.I think if you want to find a good option for the day time I think a massage shop is the best choice, I can recommend Emanuelle, usually they have many lovely girls, around 15-20, the rooms are good and big, maybe a little bit old.
That would probably be "establishment". Heard that in the Philippines a bit describing the Angeles gogo bars.Oh sorry for confusing. Exactly correct for the abbreviations.
Thanks for helping explaining.
Dear All,
Incidentally, I will be traveling BKK for couple of days for business, and wish to go Pataya for couple of nights. I am not a frequent of Pataya, remember just visit there once via Suvarnabhumi airpor via Van. I wonder should I go back to airport to take the Van as before or I can go straight from BKK?
This time I choose to go Pataya than staying all four nights in BKK as I think Bar sou nana & soi cowboy seems to be much highier expenses than in Pataya, but I can't remember of quality varies or worth for going all the way to Pataya just for about 2 or 3 nights?
Hope to hear your valued advises.
Cheers,
MD.
I asked a waitress to call over a real cute spinner from the jacuzzi side. Here's where things started to go downhill. The waitress said you must buy two drinks for her. I said I already know and that was fine. Then she asked me again. I said in Thai Mai pen rai, which means no problem. Then she went to the stage and spoke to the girl. After that, again with the question about 2 lady drinks. I said again, I understand. Indeed a crappy night. Like you said, it happens. Curious. Was the chick dancing at the time or sitting with another customer when you had the dek serve bring her over? Is this predatory demand for 2 drinks a new biz model that is widespread. Or just something the dek serve or this bar recently up? 2 drinks for an introduction or pre-employment interview is bullshit. I think you dodged a bullet with that gal. The guy who paid the barfine probably got fucked over more than fucked. Better that she did a "runner" before you might have paid a barfine. I can envision her getting a phone call about some bullshit emergency that requires her to run off after 10 minutes in a hotel room. Of course, demanding that the gals "pit" their phone isn't a bad idea. It lets them know this isn't your first rodeo and that you are in control.
Oh. "mai pen lai / rai"= nevermind; mai mee bahn hah= no problem.
Dear All,
Incidentally, I will be traveling BKK for couple of days for business, and wish to go Pataya for couple of nights. I am not a frequent of Pataya, remember just visit there once via Suvarnabhumi airpor via Van. I wonder should I go back to airport to take the Van as before or I can go straight from BKK?
This time I choose to go Pataya than staying all four nights in BKK as I think Bar sou nana & soi cowboy seems to be much highier expenses than in Pataya, but I can't remember of quality varies or worth for going all the way to Pataya just for about 2 or 3 nights?
Hope to hear your valued advises.
Cheers,
MD.The easy quick way is to take a cab from the airport or your hotel. I use Nam's Taxi service. You hotel can also set up a taxi or you can get one at the airport. And yes it's going to cost you an extra 900 baht or so. So what, the hassle it eliminates makes this very worthwhile.
The easy quick way is to take a cab from the airport or your hotel. I use Nam's Taxi service. You hotel can also set up a taxi or you can get one at the airport. And yes it's going to cost you an extra 900 baht or so. So what, the hassle it eliminates makes this very worthwhile.Thanks for your valued advise, you are right, hassle it eliminates plus faster to do my mongering activities, worth & why not?
I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas?
I have been a staying BKK In some occasion but mainly focus on Beirgarten ladies since I feel gogo girls in NEP tense to be more of attitude specially I am not a young nice good looking guys than any western man nor Jap guys that known for paying good price that allure these bar girls than anyone of us. Not to initiate any racial dispute but this seems to be planted in the mind of Bar girls specially those young nice looking one at NEP that tense to opted serving Japanese man than other nationality.
Since Pattaya may be due to more high competition, so much wonder if this will make those bar girls there more of non selective as to their counterparts in BKK I. E. NEP or soi cowboy area?
Cheers,
MD.
I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas?I've done both and for a short trip probably not a huge difference and BKK is easier. That said if you've been to BKK and not Pattaya it might be worth it just to see the differences Pattaya totally blows BKK away in terms of Beer Bars and gogo clubs. If you could figure out how to stay a week or two that would be ideal.
Member #4698
05-04-18, 02:26
Thanks for your valued advise, you are right, hassle it eliminates plus faster to do my mongering activities, worth & why not?
I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas? I have been a staying BKK In some occasion but mainly focus on Beirgarten ladies since I feel gogo girls in NEP tense to be more of attitude <SNIP> Since Pattaya may be due to more high competition, so much wonder if this will make those bar girls there more of non selective as to their counterparts in BKK I. E. NEP or soi cowboy area? MachoD, Your query really belongs in the Pattaya thread. You should post it there so more Pat punters might read it and make some valuable suggestions. In the meantime I willl respond here:
Given your stated non Go Go criteria? My answer to you is absolutely yes. Don't hesitate. You should go to Pattaya for a 3 night weekend! And when you get there be sure to check out Soi 6. Then afterwards just walk around and check out as many various Beer Bar complexes and small bars as you want. They are scattered all over the place like the small beer bars on Soi 7 between Beach Road and 2nd Road and the ones near LK Metro on Soi Diana and adjacent sois between Soi Buakhaow and 2nd Road, and of course the Simon Beer bar complex on Walking Street. I think you will find exactly what you are looking for times several 1000 in many of the 100's and 100's of small places all stocked with friendly, available girls just waiting to make your acquaintance if you so desire. LOL. I think you will have a great time!
Oh. "mai pen lai / rai"= nevermind; mai mee bahn hah= no problem.As a literal translation, you are correct. However, what WE usually mean when we say "no problem" to each other in English is more often than not very close to what we hope Thais will take for what we mean to convey with their term for "nevermind".
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/never%20mind
Synonyms for never mind:
interj: forget it
don't bother
don't concern yourself
drop it
ignore it
it doesn't matter
it's all right
stop
let it go
nothingWhereas what we might convey literally when we say "no problem" rarely really fits the situation as well as saying "nevermind" in Thai, "mai pen lai/rai", does.
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/no%20problem?s=t
Synonyms for no problem:
adj: effortless
a breeze
child's play
duck soup
easy
easy as ABC
easy as pie
no problem
no sweat
painless
piece of cake
uncomplicated
simple
snap
The trick is to get what we hope the term "no problem" means in our heads colloquially into the mind of a Thai speaker even as we have over time bent the meaning of "no problem" to sort of mean a softer, less rude version of "nevermind" in actual use. Consequently, IMO, "mai pen lai/rai" is the much better fit for what we very likely mean when we say "no problem" in English.
I think if we promoted the idea that all this "mai pen rai" stuff going on all over Thailand actually meant what we usually think of when someone says "nevermind" to us, it would seem a lot more rude than it actually sounds to Thai people. And that is where I believe saying it means "no problem" (as that term sounds to our ears these days) rather than "nevermind" (as THAT term tends to sound to our ears these days) is a closer fit for explaining it in more common usage.
GoodEnough
05-04-18, 04:23
I'm back in Thailand for the first time in about 5 years, and I'm struck by the differences between the present and the country I remember over multiple visits covering maybe 25 years. I decided on the spur of the moment—literally on the way to town from the airport—to stay at Nana Hotel, mostly because I'the never done so. It's a sort of wonderfully seedy place and for a couple of nights, it's interesting and I'm not sorry I selected it.
I arrived at Nana Plaza about midnight last night, and was disappointed not only with the quality, which was way below what I had remembered, but by the general aggressiveness of the bar managers. Granted, many if not most of the stunners may have been spoken for earlier, but for the most part, those I saw were a waste of time for me. I finally wound up in a bar on the opposite side of the second floor from Twisters. It was a smaller, friendlier place but again, the endless hustling for drinks was somewhat unpleasant, and I got sick of fending off the attempts. Then too, the girls were so businesslike that the whole experience was less than enticing. I doubt that I'll return, as in my judgment, compared to the Philippines experience, the place just leaves a lot to be desired. I'll likely try Cowboy tonight, but have no elevated expectations, and anticipate that it will prove to be more of same.
I worked in Bangkok years ago, and have been back to the country many times during the intervening years, but I think the place has about run its course for me.
GE.
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I worked in Bangkok years ago, and have been back to the country many times during the intervening years, but I think the place has about run its course for me. Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.
Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.
Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.
JMHO of course.
World wide as of today on Craigslist, It happened a month ago in USA.
Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?
Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.
Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.
Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.
JMHO of course.Good points and I agree. And for those who might feel "who cares?" how interesting and exciting the city is if the usual mongering destinations are not what they used to be, all I can say is it provides so many more pleasant and fun experiences I can share with my dating site girls, regular shop girls and freelancers who, by far, have been providing me with better sex with younger, prettier girls than I ever experienced in Bangkok before, even 20-25 years ago when I was cruising the bars and clubs for the best that scene could offer.
I still do the Nana Plaza and Soi Coyboy scene at least once a week and really enjoy it. But if all of those places disappeared overnight, I doubt I would experience a moment's glitch in the steady stream of hot, young pussy and blowjobs I have been enjoying in THIS Bangkok era. I would probably shed a tear if all of the BJ Bars disappeared. But that is mostly because I just like knowing they are around, since I rarely go to them anymore because I find the BJs I can get from regular, non P4P Thai girls to be superior in almost every way.
I arrived at Nana Plaza about midnight last night, and was disappointed not only with the quality, which was way below what I had remembered, but by the general aggressiveness of the bar managers. Granted, many if not most of the stunners may have been spoken for earlier, but for the most part, those I saw were a waste of time for me. I finally wound up in a bar on the opposite side of the second floor from Twisters. It was a smaller, friendlier place but again, the endless hustling for drinks was somewhat unpleasant, and I got sick of fending off the attempts. Then too, the girls were so businesslike that the whole experience was less than enticing. I doubt that I'll return, as in my judgment, compared to the Philippines experience, the place just leaves a lot to be desired. I'll likely try Cowboy tonight, but have no elevated expectations, and anticipate that it will prove to be more of same.
GE.I'm always interested to read about the hustling of drinks in many reports and why this is happening. This is perhaps my 6th visit in about two years BKK and I can't remember that I have been annoyed by it. Perhaps once in BKK Bunnies which was during my first time. I have been there yesterday as well, both Soi Cowboy and Nana. (Not that I want to discourage you but Soi Cowboy was worse than Nana according to me during the time of my presence which was between 9. 30 and max 11.00 pm).
Usually I step into a bar and have a look for about 20 seconds. If the vibe is alright I will sit down and order my drink. One drink gives me about 20 minutes or more to decide whether I will have another one or not. It gives me the time to have seen two shifts of girls dancing on stage. I believe that 20 or 30 minutes max for a drink is reasonable.
At the end of the day they're running a business and sometimes it's funny to see people sitting with their drink for a very long time and I can understand that the waitresses or mamasans hassle those customers especially when they're having a full house. I don't want to give the impression to GoodEnough that you're one of those people. I usually completely ignore the waitresses or mamasans and keep my eyes on the stage. Same goes when I walk into a bar and stand there for a while. I don[t bother waitresses trying to pull me somewhere and have a seat. I never had a problem with it. Whenever a waitress as me for a drink I politely say no if there's still left in my bottle and they move on. Same goes for those WG's who come and sit next to you and try to start having a conversation. I'll always reply when they ask me something but I'll make it clear that there's no chance that I'm interested in them buying a LD. I wish them good luck with the hunt while I keep my eyes on the stage. They might stay there and sit for a while which doesn't bother me. Perhaps my body language makes it clear for them that I don't have the "potential" to make more money out of me.
The trick is to get what we hope the term "no problem" means in our heads colloquially into the mind of a Thai speaker even as we have over time bent the meaning of "no problem" to sort of mean a softer, less rude version of "nevermind" in actual use. Consequently, IMO, "mai pen lai/rai" is the much better fit for what we very likely mean when we say "no problem" in English.I understand what you are saying and you are not incorrect. I've been "guilty" of using both terms somewhat interchangeably over the years and never encountered misunderstandings. I think "mai pen rai" is more BKKish while "mai pen lai" is more Issan. Those lazy northeasterners. LOL Maybe that is why my Issan "acquaintances use "mai pen lai" over "mai mee bahn hah" when "no problem" is what they mean. Just Issan language "economics". A Cheap Charlie way of expressing themselves. LOL.
Arrived in BKK yesterday and wanted to have a good start so went to Snow white and chose Candy. You can find a very short report about Candy in the right thread. I was a bit concerned about the latest reviews regarding Soi Cowboy and started very early going over there from Mermaid Hotel. Perhaps a bit too early as the place was perhaps waiting to get loaded. I thought to go and have a quick bite due to the lack of people (went for some slices of pizza in Pala Pizza Romana. If you want to eat fast and good I don't think you can go wrong with this place. Third time I'm eating there and never got disapointed) . It might have been a mistake though not to go into any bar. I passed both Crazy House and Shark without popping my head in at around 8. 30 pm. I guess that we all live and learn.
After the pizza I went directly to Shark Bar. Even though the first shift of ladies weren't that good looking I thought I would give it a try because Shark Bar didn't disappoint me in the past having at least 1 or 2 lookers that I would be interested in but not this time. If they would have put a gun against my head and choose one I would have go for 22. She's there for a while, brown hair in a ponytail, rather short and good body but fake tits and face doesn't appeal to me. Ass is alright. She was taken by another punter eventually just before I left Shark after 1 drink and started to wander on Soi Cowboy. After going up and down SC I walked into Dollhouse where the girls seemingly had some good fun on stage. The quality of girls was definitely better than in Sharks with for me number 34 standing out of the pack. Petite and well proportioned, perhaps small tits but all difficult to see with that kind of shirt on. Nicely dressed though with a hotpants light colored jeans but who cares but me I guess. Din't proceeded to get her over for a chat and LD. Somehow she gave the impression that it's one of those who thinks that her farts smell like roses. I also noticed that she was taken by another guy for a LD and perhaps she only stayed there for not more than 5 minutes. Not sure what to think about that. I might give her a try another time if she's still around. Also here I only spend 1 drink and left.
As I didn't wanted to spend more time I went to Nana and went straight into Butterflies as I have read some good reports. I have to say that it was already about 11.15 pm so yeah, not the best time to expect much. There was one that caught my eye from the girls that were still available. Forgot the exact name, perhaps Phon or Fon. Her number was 238 even though I was thinking for a while that she was number 3. The two other numbers were faded away a bit. A petite girl who had quite some fun on stage. Nice ass and legs but no tits. Face was ok. Reminded me a slight bit of #4 in Crazy House named Jane but only a slight bit. I choose her to have a drink with me but then realized that she barely spoke English which was a big shame. I'm quite picky or perhaps I was getting hopeless so as it was late I wanted to take my chances with her, however. Due to the fact that the English vocabulary was as good as non existing I just let it go. Not that much else to be said from the conversation. From Isaan (duh!) and only working in Butterflies for about 2 months she said. So far the conversation.
Headed to Billboard and even though the tenderloin was already taken BB never disappointed me until today. Always a good vibe and energy, good music for my taste and girls are having fun. I always seem to be lucky with the spot I usually want to sit even though it's packed. Spot gives me the chance to watch both Jacuzzi and carousel without having to turn around even though I like the Jacuzzi girls the most. But as I have mentioned, the lookers weren't there anymore (at least I hope that they still have some lookers!) and left after a drink. I have popped my head into some other venues such as Rainbow 4, Twisters and some other places not worth mentioning but due to the lack of decent looking girls or not great ambience I decided to call it a night.
On my way home passed by Crazy House just to have a look inside but as it was already 1. 30 am you can imagine that there wasn't that much to look at anymore. Better luck perhaps today.
GoodEnough
05-04-18, 08:38
Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.
Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.
Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.
JMHO of course.My comments were from a strictly mongering perspective. I don't disagree about the vitality of the city or its great restaurants and cultural interests. But I've been here many, many times and I've taken a lot of advantage of those qualities through the years. I think it's time to try someplace new. But again, this is just a personal predeliction.
GE.
Christian G
05-04-18, 09:34
I thought to go and have a quick bite due to the lack of people (went for some slices of pizza in Pala Pizza Romana. If you want to eat fast and good I don't think you can go wrong with this place. Third time I'm eating there and never got disapointed).Agree, La Pala have great pizza slices, expensive yes, but the ingredients are very good and original.
World wide as of today on Craigslist, It happened a month ago in USA. Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?I'll miss CL personals. Only one of the many resources available in this city of course, and familiar to many globally. But useful to me on occasion in BKK. Usually pre-arrival to set up a meeting. I've used it in several cities including BKK, with mixed results it has to be said, but the overall experience was positive if more than a little frustrating in some cities.
CL contacts in BKK in general were overpriced in comparison to other available options, and there were some scammers too. But one of better cities for CL reliability, in my opinion.
The only other similar site I have seen (many pages back here, I forget the name) was in Thai so focused on locals and Thai speakers (and online translation apps). TF and other dating sites can be frustrating in BKK, hard work, but in Pattaya much easier. WeChat seems full of ladyboys, but some freelancers too (must report on a good recent find in Pattaya thread). Haven't used any others yet.
Member #4591
05-04-18, 11:45
World wide as of today on Craigslist, It happened a month ago in USA.
Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?If you look under the services section in any city, you will see the girls have started to use the beauty section and random others sections as well. Please look there in the Thailand CL to see the girls again.
After spending a few
10. General impression.
Phuket feels more clean and nice than Pattaya. Phuket also gives a more funny vibe than Pattaya. And the invironment with all the beautiful beaches and the green forest mountains surrounding Patong is a much more relaxing and beautiful place for a holiday than Pattaya. Pattaya-Phuket: 5-8.Have happened to come across this piece of discussion comparison between Phuket & Pattaya, but here comes my wish to have veteran brothers in Pattaya & Bangkok to tell me how is yours comments or comparison between Bangkok & Pattaya. Considering taking out anything about beaches, just only purely mongering & Same Thai pussy!
Herewith I listed some criteria for distinction:
1) quality of the girls.
2) quantity of the girls.
3) Bar fine cost for ST & LT.
4) girl cost for ST & LT.
5) quality & safeties of Hotel rooms.
6) chances of meeting non pro freelancers not only out for money may be just for companion.
Due to the distance getting to Pattaya and back to Bangkok when departing Thailand, There should be some areas of distinction between Bangkok and Pattaya or else why traveling to Pattaya if you only after same Thai pussy be it hot or average Thai girls.
Hope to hear more from you guys.
Cheers,
MD.
I'll miss CL personals. .The ads are in several other sections now like event, missed connections etc. But I suspect they will all removed soon so best to save some of those contacts if you want them.
On my way home passed by Crazy House just to have a look inside but as it was already 1. 30 am you can imagine that there wasn't that much to look at anymore. Better luck perhaps today.Line ups vary from day to day. If payday for girls, could be excellent in several bars. 1. 30 am is "dregs" time in CH and elsewhere IMHO. Yes 8. 30 PM is a much better time to enter any of the bars you mentioned. Yes I agree Jane No. 4 is a very good girl even if very small tits.
I agree that the Dollhouse Coyotes are better than in Shark. Still I have 2 favourites in Shark, so I ignore the rest of Shark girls.
Billboard should often have a few stunners (if at the right time of evening being early on). Best quality of looks in Nana IMHO, performance varies.
Member #4733
05-05-18, 14:36
I agree that the Dollhouse Coyotes are better than in Shark. Still I have 2 favourites in Shark, so I ignore the rest of Shark girls.April 11 I took the best looking girl in Dollhouse home for a session. Her legs were exceptional. Forgot name and number. So far I understood that Coyotes do not provide sex but are there to lure the customers inside. So could someone clarify this situation? Are coyotes available for sex or are dancers just as beautiful?
Billboard should often have a few stunners (if at the right time of evening being early on). Best quality of looks in Nana IMHO, performance varies.Topless girls at the jacuzi are very beautiful at BB. Their playing around (among each other and with customers) far exceeds that play at Butterflies. They were mostly childish when I was there. I liked one girl especially (Abi?) as her butt was better than I had seen anywhere else in Bkk.
Last year I did the rounds at Nana, Cowboy (low expectations but turned out great), BJ bars and a couple of massage places. I'm not really into bars anymore but I thought since I was in Thailand, why not. I went to Patpong to see the night market and drop in one of the bars on my first night but was put off by all the touts. There were some nice looking bars but I couldn't tell if the guys approaching me were part of those bars or trying to lure me elsewhere so I ended up passing on a bunch of them, thinking I would return some other time when I wasn't carrying my gear and a few plastic bags from stuff I'd bought looking like a complete and utter noob. I never found the time to return.
Now I'm thinking of going back just because I've done all the others but I don't want to just go and BF a girl at Patpong for the sake of it. I've RTFF'd the subject, there are no new reports other than the occasional nostalgic mention of how it was 25 years ago. Is it really not a great place for punting, what's so bad about it that most people prefer Nana and Cowboy?
A side question, are locals not allowed at bars / massage / BJ joints? After a few days in the sun, a haircut and beard shave, I started getting carded at the front doors of bars and massage places. They just wanted to make sure I wasn't a local, which normally is a plus for me wherever I go around Asia.
April 11 I took the best looking girl in Dollhouse home for a session. Her legs were exceptional. Forgot name and number. So far I understood that Coyotes do not provide sex but are there to lure the customers inside. So could someone clarify this situation? Are coyotes available for sex or are dancers just as beautiful?
Topless girls at the jacuzi are very beautiful at BB. Their playing around (among each other and with customers) far exceeds that play at Butterflies. They were mostly childish when I was there. I liked one girl especially (Abi?) as her butt was better than I had seen anywhere else in Bkk.BB Bubble Bath girls beautiful? I think you were looking at the tits. LOL Faces are not so very special. Young = Beautiful? I do think the Billboard girls are a class above the Butterflies girls for looks at least. I am big fan of beautiful Butts as well (once I like the face). Tits don't have to massive for me, and I usually rule out silicone tits and very saggy tits or deflated sag bags.
Coyotes are now abundant in most Cowboy bars, excepting Bacarra, Crazy House, maybe one or two others. The idea was to get prettier younger girls, and some of the girls may not provide sex even if they can be barfined. A large portion of Dollhouse girls are now Coyotes. Identifiable because they wear a double bra / top hiding tits completely.
They have quite high barfines in some bars, and more normal in others. The barfines sometimes vary depending on how late it is. As Eih Toom likes to point out, many Coyotes wear tights / stockings, but some non Coyotes do also. Covers up leg marks and scars. Topless girls or see through top girls are not Coyotes. One girl wearing G string (no tights) in Dollhouse was still described as Coyote (tits were well hidden) so what is worn below the waist seems to be a not a reliable indicator. We can say tights is a strong indicator of a likely Coyote, confirmed if the tits are well wrapped up. Tights does not mean the girl is not available for sex, but could be an indicator.
Many Cowboy Coyotes are "fake Coyotes" in that they do not know how to dance Coyote style or are to lazy to do so. Many are not wearing the traditional very short cut off shorts that are only an inch or two of material on the side and usually exposing a bit of ass.
In the Arab's rip off bars, most Coyotes will not be available for sex (officially). Same in Crazy Cats. Students.
Many Coyote girls have a boyfriend who does not allow them to work as hookers.
Plenty of bars have Coyotes available for sex. E. g. Billboard. I expect that most Coyotes in Doll House are available.
Firstly ask the mamasan what is the general situation for the bar, then ask the particular girl herself, if she goes for sex. I have fucked some Coyotes and have been knocked back by some. One Coyote in Twisters refused me because she said she was used to smaller Asian dick, and only just split from her DJ Thai boyfriend. The real reason matters very little. Either she is willing or she is not. Could be simply her period.
Don't ask girls outside the bar, as might get a bullshit story. Better to ask the girls inside the bar I think.
I would certainly take Coyotes from Doll House or Bill Board. Prices were fine. I like to get a look at the tits first and see if the girl will kiss. That can be a problem. Girls can be very inexperienced and not very relaxed about fucking. I had one such stunning Coyote from Billboard. She started to relax and improve at the end of the session. Better to take a girl with plenty of experience.
Member #4733
05-06-18, 21:38
BB Bubble Bath girls beautiful? I think you were looking at the tits. LOL Faces are not so very special. Young = Beautiful? I do think the Billboard girls are a class above the Butterflies girls for looks at least."Very beautiful" like I put it is too much. But I liked BB quite much. Jacuzi girls were better than the carroussel girls. I like beautiful faces. Tits not especially. A but should have a nice flowing curve. That does it for me.
Thanks for all your tips. They will surely help a next time.
Now I'm thinking of going back just because I've done all the others but I don't want to just go and BF a girl at Patpong for the sake of it. I've RTFF'd the subject, there are no new reports other than the occasional nostalgic mention of how it was 25 years ago. Is it really not a great place for punting, what's so bad about it that most people prefer Nana and Cowboy?Did you really RTFF? An advanced search for 'patpong' in the Thailand forum will lead you to several new reports. Some gogo's there are certainly worth going to.
AirlineCrew
05-07-18, 13:37
Hi everyone,
Because of new US law Craigslist decided to pull the "romantic" section. Not only for their USA site but globally. Now some of you might think why would I even bother using CL since BKK has so much options to gett laid. Well like most I do visit the spa's and soapies but I've had great success with CL when it comes to threesomes. Girls that know eachother well (one time even sisters) and come to your hotel for a great three-way. You can have this too at a spa of course but most of these girls are used to one on one service not threesomes. So my question is are there any of you that have used CL before like me and do you know where everyone went? Locanto has picked up some of the adds but it's nowhere as good as CL was.
Cheers.
ALC.
Hi everyone,
It is the first time I post on the Thailand Bangkok thread, and I first would like to start by thanking everybody for all the valuable information I found here in the last few months.
I am currently in Bangkok, arrived 2 days ago, and I still spend 3 days here.
Last January, I visited several gogo bars at Nana, went to Thermae bar and massage parlours (Poseidon, Emmanuelle and Cherry). Every time, following recommendations I found here, and everything proved to be very accurate.
In one of the massage place, I found a girl that I really liked a lot more than the others and I really wish I could see her again. Unfortunately, I visited both Poseidon and Emmanuelle yesterday and today and did not see her.
Since some of you have a lot of knowledge about Bangkok girls, maybe her description can ring a bell to someone and you may help me. I know it is like finding a needle in a haystack but she has a distinctive mark that may help.
She is a Thai girl, in her early 30's, with a tan but not too dark, quite petite (around 5 feet), long black hair, no fat, very small boobs, very tight pussy and what is unusual, an important scar on one leg (but no c-section).
The session with her was just fantastic (better than GFE). I so wish someone could help me find her again.
Thanks a lot. And sorry for the ones my message is disturbing since it actually is not a report.
Did you really RTFF? An advanced search for 'patpong' in the Thailand forum will lead you to several new reports. Some gogo's there are certainly worth going to.I thought that was implied by the RTFF abbreviation. Just to be safe I did another just now, and nothing new came up.
Just some random stuff about avoiding 2nd floor scams and magic shows. I've got some names from my previous reading, King's Castle l, II, III, star of light and kangaroo club, that I will check out, nothing recent in the reports, maybe I'll add my own soon enough.
I remember when I was there it seemed less crowded than Nana or Cowboy, there was actually lots of walking space on the sidewalk but that was around 8 in the evening. I don't know if it's like that all the time or if it's because the quality of girls is less but I'm going to give it a second try.
Hi everyone,
It is the first time I post on the Thailand Bangkok thread, and I first would like to start by thanking everybody for all the valuable information I found here in the last few months.
I am currently in Bangkok, arrived 2 days ago, and I still spend 3 days here.
Last January, I visited several gogo bars at Nana, went to Thermae bar and massage parlours (Poseidon, Emmanuelle and Cherry). Every time, following recommendations I found here, and everything proved to be very accurate.
In one of the massage place, I found a girl that I really liked a lot more than the others and I really wish I could see her again. Unfortunately, I visited both Poseidon and Emmanuelle yesterday and today and did not see her.
Since some of you have a lot of knowledge about Bangkok girls, maybe her description can ring a bell to someone and you may help me. I know it is like finding a needle in a haystack but she has a distinctive mark that may help.
She is a Thai girl, in her early 30's, with a tan but not too dark, quite petite (around 5 feet), long black hair, no fat, very small boobs, very tight pussy and what is unusual, an important scar on one leg (but no c-section).
The session with her was just fantastic (better than GFE). I so wish someone could help me find her again.
Thanks a lot. And sorry for the ones my message is disturbing since it actually is not a report.It's possible someone might know, but a lot of these girls move around from place to place, work for short periods here and there, or just plain disappear (generally meaning back to 6-9 hours away in some part of Isaan region). It really is like a needle in a hawstack.
Good luck though.
Ggekko2009
05-08-18, 05:47
Hoping to get some info as I am heading to BKK this week.
Does anyone know the best time to go to Thermae Bar?
How is the quality of the girls this week? Are there usually big fluctuations in terms of the girls quantity and quality from day to day?
Are the girls able converse in English?
Thanks in advance.
Wolvenvacht
05-08-18, 07:15
Have happened to come across this piece of discussion comparison between Phuket & Pattaya, but here comes my wish to have veteran brothers in Pattaya & Bangkok to tell me how is yours comments or comparison between Bangkok & Pattaya. Considering taking out anything about beaches, just only purely mongering & Same Thai pussy!
Herewith I listed some criteria for distinction:
1) quality of the girls.
2) quantity of the girls.
3) Bar fine cost for ST & LT.
4) girl cost for ST & LT.
5) quality & safeties of Hotel rooms.
6) chances of meeting non pro freelancers not only out for money may be just for companion.
Due to the distance getting to Pattaya and back to Bangkok when departing Thailand, There should be some areas of distinction between Bangkok and Pattaya or else why traveling to Pattaya if you only after same Thai pussy be it hot or average Thai girls.
Hope to hear more from you guys.
Cheers,
MD.There are really no big differences between Bangkok and Pattaya in all your categories, except perhaps quantity of girls where Pattaya will be tops.
NewbExcited
05-08-18, 09:29
Hoping to get some info as I am heading to BKK this week.
Does anyone know the best time to go to Thermae Bar?
How is the quality of the girls this week? Are there usually big fluctuations in terms of the girls quantity and quality from day to day?
Are the girls able converse in English?
Thanks in advance.The best time is usually between 8 PM-9 PM when the bar opens and you will have a big selection.
I am not in Thailand at the moment but when I visited, the quality on an average was about 6.5/10.
Most girls can converse in English but the fluency varies.
Thermae is a hit or miss in my opinion and since some of them are girl next door kind, where you may have awesome experience. It is worth a shot even though I didn't indulge in that bar.
Hoping to get some info as I am heading to BKK this week.
Does anyone know the best time to go to Thermae Bar?
How is the quality of the girls this week? Are there usually big fluctuations in terms of the girls quantity and quality from day to day?
Are the girls able converse in English?
Thanks in advance.9 pm to 12 am probably best time that said plenty girls in BKK and freelancers from soi 4 to Terminal 21, soi 11 etc, Beer Garden if still open.
Hoping to get some info as I am heading to BKK this week.
Does anyone know the best time to go to Thermae Bar?
How is the quality of the girls this week? Are there usually big fluctuations in terms of the girls quantity and quality from day to day?
Are the girls able converse in English?
Thanks in advance.I went to Thermae Bar for the first time tonight on a weeknight around 10:30 pm.
Very awesome experience! It was really packed, not sure why, but I'the say you have no issue finding a girl around 11 pm. I don't think all girls speak English, but the one I met did.
I've heard bloggers say to come earlier, but I think that's BS cause it seemed more girls kept coming in during the 30 min I was there.
I went to Thermae Bar for the first time tonight on a weeknight around 10:30 pm.
Very awesome experience! It was really packed, not sure why, but I'the say you have no issue finding a girl around 11 pm. I don't think all girls speak English, but the one I met did.
I've heard bloggers say to come earlier, but I think that's BS cause it seemed more girls kept coming in during the 30 min I was there.It is quite possible some of the girls you saw coming in after 10:30 pm were returning from an earlier takeout from around 9 pm or so. And some girls who are taken by 9 pm don't return to Thermae and you wouldn't have seen them at all.
I went to Thermae Bar for the first time tonight...I've heard bloggers say to come earlier, but I think that's BS...That's quite a conclusion for a first timer. Maybe you should have reserved that opinion until you had a chance to visit Thermae multiple times, or read ET's post below.
Ggekko2009
05-10-18, 04:27
Landed at BKK that afternoon and took the train from airport to my hotel at BTS ChitLom. The Bangkok infrastructure is definitely much better compared than Jakarta. Checked into the Renaissance, caught up with few hours of sleep before heading out to Nana Plaza. By the way, the humidity in Bangkok is really nasty and worse than Jakarta, which makes walking an uncomfortable experience. Otherwise, everything else is so accessible. Definitely a win there.
Now here comes the downside. First, ladyboys, ladyboys, ladyboys. They are everywhere. I have to admit that some of them are really attractive, and I could have picked them in a heartbeat if not for the facts. This mixture makes me wary about picking one off the streets.
After a beer at Nana, I walked to Thermae. I have been told that ladyboys are not allowed in there, so you should be getting the real deal. I had read about the ambiance and watched YouTube videos, but to be there physically still feels different. As mentioned time and time again from past forum postings, this is definitely an area catered to the East Asian clientele. Which also means the girls are required to be passive and just stand along the table sides like goods to be inspected. I guess the Japanese and the Koreans and the Chinese don't like to be hassled and prefer to survey first before making the next move of negotiations.
There were plenty of attractive girls that night. Many of them would smile at me or at least made feeble attempts. As I walked down the aisle, I chatted with a few of them. Some of them were only interested in ST, while those that do LT cannot stay for too long in the morning. One mentioned that she had to leave at 6 AM for her 7 o'clock college class. Another one mentioned that she had a baby sitting job and also have to leave by 6. Unfortunately, none of them really clicked for me. This is starting to get depressing.
Later, I walked to Insanity Club, paid my cover charge and went up the club level. This time the vibes there was so much better, with the area very packed even at after 1 AM. I walked around to see if I could go one that night. For whatever reason, I was attracted to an Asian looking lady gyrating with her friend to the music. She would dance with me for a good 15 minutes, and finally mentioned her prices into my ears. Turned out that she is Uzbek / Korean mix, and I can feel that chemistry with her. Now with that negotiation out of the way, we were able to enjoy our time drinking and gyrating to the music, and ending the night with a supper and great session back in my hotel room.
Adaptivia, to most people here, it's not about how many. It's about quality.
Yes, even at 10:30 at night you'll see some attractive women at Thermae. Sometimes you'll be surprised at the attractiveness of some of them.
But it still doesn't compare to what is there early.
The hottest girls are there early. And they get picked early.
Go late 3 or 4 nights in a row. And then go early 3 or 4 nights in a row. You'll see.
When I first came to Bangkok, just the plentiful supply of girls to FKK made my eyes not quite as effective.
After a while you get pickier.
Not that most of those early girls will even talk to us older, white guys!
By the way, the humidity in Bangkok is really nasty and worse than Jakarta, which makes walking an uncomfortable experience. Don't worry mate, it's not that nasty every day LOL.
Don't worry mate, it's not that nasty every day LOL.What humidity? LOL Bangkok generally is no where near as hot as it felt 25 years ago (perhaps I got used to it somewhat). Rarely seems to hit 40 see. The city's haze of pollution reduces the power of the shining sun when it hits you. Hot days in my home country can be higher actual teperature and harder to tolerate. Can always go inside to Air Con.
Only "mad dogs and Englishmen" walk in the midday sun. Seriously it is silly to be walking around Bangkok in the middle part of the day.
I remember a crazy old buddy who complained he had walked several km around Bangkok and was too stuffed to get up to any mischief. Silly! Walk only short distances when it is too hot, and only if able to be in mostly shade.
Early morning or after 6 PM is okay For shorter walks. Running laps of Lumphini should be an early morning activity I think.
Out in the country, can be somewhat hotter during the day with clear skys (but fortunately cooler at night).
Running laps of Lumphini should be an early morning activity I think.Or should not be an activity at all. Running in Bangkok, breathing heavily and inhaling all that pollution deep into your lungs can't be healthy.
Member #4591
05-10-18, 21:37
Great report on Thai Friendly from my user blog. Premium is well worth the money guys. Don't be cheap. If you are looking for P4 P, a holiday girlfriend, or something more serious, this is the way to go. $20 per month through the app or $24 through their website
I would like to thank both Bkkdog and Null Avenger. I had been having no luck with TF but after going premium I had an amazing petite girl at my hotel within 2 hours. At this rate I might not be able to even make it back to a gogo / beer bar.
Q: Hi how are you doing?
Q: You have line?
A: Hi yes you want sex or not today.
Q: Yes I want you today, what is line ID?
Switch to line, and found out when she was available. Now. She asks for 2000 be for ST with multiple pops. I wasn't going to try and barter that deal down any further. Gave hotel directions and in about 30 minutes from this point she arrived at my hotel. I would say it then turned into extreme? GFE. EGFE? DFK and lots of foreplay. She was on top of my and tried to take me BBFS. She was hot and had me going if I wasn't sober I might not of stopped her.
TF can be amazing. I have a few other dates already setup.
Great report on Thai Friendly from my user blog. Premium is well worth the money guys. Don't be cheap. If you are looking for P4 P, a holiday girlfriend, or something more serious, this is the way to go. $20 per month through the app or $24 through their websiteLOL. I am laying next to a young lady I met and booked on TF right now; clean, tattoo and piercing-free, studious hot university type, a bit bigger all around (not fat. Athletic) than I prefer but a nice change of pace, amazing BBFS to BBBJ+CIM+Swallow finish. My second time with her so I know she will be fine with 2,200 baht including all transportation to and from my apartment building front door. And that is for LT from 11pm last night until about 10am this morning.
Neigung pretty much covered the extent of "haggling" required to bring her here. He didn't mention it but it is likely she was privy to his photos when the chat was taken to Line. Maybe even a brief video chat just to see and say Hello before the appointment was finalized. Cannot overstate the value of that kind of two-way personal contact (as much as can happen online, that is) before booking to put everyone more at ease and smooth the way for a better result.
On a side note, for all the occasional suggestions that my interest in achieving a true GFE as in BBFS or BBBJ+CIM+(preferably) Swallow finish as being extreme, out of the main stream, not something many or most other punters care much about, should not justify tweaking any, say, escort-related business model to accommodate a discrete arrangement of same and so on, Neigung's report and my experience right here reminds me that I don't recall ever reading a Field Report on this or any similar site listing either outcome with their lady on the "negative" side of her rating score card rather than squarely on the "positive" side. Just mentioning that observation in passing.
I'm in BKK, have some light reporting to do of my day and a half when I can but for now I have a quick question on wechat safety and precautions.
I never use these apps but I've been browsing and got to chatting with a few girls offering services. One or two I considered kept asking my hotel name and room no even before I could confirm, about 5 or six times. Is this normal for wechat type transactions. I've already given my street name and the general vicinity but I don't want to reveal more until I can confirm the booking. One girl in particular keeps lowering her price, now down to 700 from 1 k asking my hotel and room number. Could be some kind of scam or thing where they show up and kick up a fuss in the hotel room or lobby to get you to pay them to go away or some shit like that.
Ggekko2009
05-11-18, 05:04
I don't mean to offend anyone with this rant, but I do need to get this off my chest since it has been a constant miss for me with Thai girls thus far from Pattaya last year to Bangkok this year. Their MO have always been "Let's just get this over with type of attitude".
So I went back to Thermae again the next evening just over 8 PM to see if I can hit off with maybe the right girl. I think the girls knew I was there last night because I received a lot more gestures from girls to talk to them. Those that I rejected last night ignored me. One girl after learning that my hotel is two BTS stop away offered me 3000 for ST and would not budge on price. From what I know the standard is 2500 ST and 5000 LT. I just stepped away and to cut things short, I selected a different girl for ST.
Several things add up to my shitty experience with these Thai girls. Strike 1, they started counting their time as soon as you exit the bar. WTF. I lost almost 30 minutes by this count. Strike 2, need dim lights, no kissing, have to be CBJ, no can do for this, no can do for that, the don't list feels like a damn rule book. I almost kicked her out (and of course still pay her the amount owed) with all these rules. Strike 3 - She rushed me hoping that I can come as soon as possible. If you read my past Pattaya post, similar shit happened to a girl that I had bar fined for LT, and I did in fact kicked her out of the room less than 15 minutes into our session. Anyway, I did not pop with the Thai girl from Thermea. What a waste of my time, money and energy.
I went back to the sure thing with the Uzbek girl that I had from the previous night, and met up with her and her friend at Insanity. Later on, we hit another club by the Pullman hotel near Terminal 21 called Club XS. It is in a smaller setting compared to Insanity but I like the ambiance more there.
Anyway, I am done with booking any girls from Thermea. Not sure if I want to try anymore Thai girls during the rest of my stay. It is a shame since I am in Bangkok after all and by any mean, I should try the local stuff. However, I am just not getting the experience that I have come to expect and enjoy. Ironically, I had a better quality time with this Uzbek girl instead.
One girl after learning that my hotel is two BTS stop away offered me 3000 for ST and would not budge on price. From what I know the standard is 2500 ST and 5000 LT. I just stepped away and to cut things short, I selected a different girl for ST.
Several things add up to my shitty experience with these Thai girls. Strike 1, they started counting their time as soon as you exit the bar. WTF. I lost almost 30 minutes by this count. Strike 2, need dim lights, no kissing, have to be CBJ, no can do for this, no can do for that, the don't list feels like a damn rule book. I almost kicked her out (and of course still pay her the amount owed) with all these rules. Strike 3 - She rushed me hoping that I can come as soon as possible. If you read my past Pattaya post, similar shit happened to a girl that I had bar fined for LT, and I did in fact kicked her out of the room less than 15 minutes into our session. Anyway, I did not pop with the Thai girl from Thermea. What a waste of my time, money and energy.
First of all, let me assure you that, despite all the wonderful reports of fantastic sex and fulfillment on these and other sites, it is EASY to spend as long as a week in Thailand and get virtually NOTHING worthwhile sexually from the P4P girls you encounter no matter where they work or where you find them. That sometimes happened to me when I used to come here on vacation 20-25 years ago when I was younger and fitter and, believe it or not, it has actually happened to me 2-3 times (weeks) while I have been living here for the past 5+ years.
I don't mean I couldn't have found some poor bedraggled soul during those bad spells who would spread her legs for me. YOU can find a poor soul who would spread her legs for you this very minute. But that isn't what we're talking about, right? I'm talking about finding a new Thai girl with whom it clicks, I am inspired to fuck her and the deed is done with the right attitude for a reasonable price. Going as long as a week without finding such a new Thai girl has even happened to me, I will admit it here before god and everyone.
Now, having said that, I suppose what I would have done (and what you might try the next time in Thermae or anywhere) is when the girl that intrigued you quoted 3,000 baht, I would have said, "Oh, pang pang (expensive). But I would be happy to give a lady 3,000 baht IF. " and after that "IF" is where you list all the things you need to make it work for you; No Hurry, DFK, No Condom For BJ, whatever. Yes, this approach is suppose to ruin the mood and dilute the chemistry. So what. Sometimes this is what is necessary in order to start fucking in Thailand the way you want and break the spell of what you are experiencing right now.
Was it the 3,000 baht that stopped you with the first girl? Again, I would have gladly paid 500 baht over the going rate IF the girl had agreed to behave the way I need her to behave to keep me from kicking her ass out the door. I find that once they are fixated on a certain baht amount to make them happy and they hear a potential customer more or less happily AGREE to pay it, they do not keep as much of a death grip on their limitations to earning it. I usually get much more enthusiastic agreements to the things I suspect you want in the deal as well once I have let them know that, no problem, I can easily pay a girl 3,000 baht for ST and can't wait to do it. Got it right here in my pocket. And more right next to it. Can you smell it? I am almost about to pull it out of my pocket and give it to you without a hitch. But. It does matter what she does for and with me before I give it to her. Smile a lot when you explain that to her.
Maybe that approach will work, maybe not. But it might be worth a try. I honestly believe that if you had set out with that approach, always making your agreement to pay her quoted rate contingent upon you getting what you want in the room other than some vague "sex for money" conventional understanding of it, with as few as 3-4 different girls to your liking, ONE of them would have said yes and meant it.
Uncle Volodya
05-11-18, 10:54
I don't mean to offend anyone with this rant, but I do need to get this off my chest since it has been a constant miss for me with Thai girls thus far from Pattaya last year to Bangkok this year. Their MO have always been "Let's just get this over with type of attitude".
Everyone goes through dry spells. Stay positive and don't get too frustrated. Don't think too much about your streak of bad luck. It will pass. In the meantime be happy and cheerful and try to find pleasure in the small things in life. Good food, drink and the kindness of people you meet. Women (of all nationalities) have sixth sense and if you are full of pent up frustrations and exhibit a bad attitude your troubles will just compound themselves and you will not find what you are looking for.
Blanquiceleste
05-11-18, 12:30
First of all,
SNIP
ONE of them would have said yes and meant it.SAGE ADVICE.
All ye newcomers who enter here, read this post before ye fucketh Thai chicks.
Member #4733
05-11-18, 12:39
One or two I considered kept asking my hotel name and room noA Hotel name might serve as a price indicator. I was asked that a few times and found out the reason for it. But that was not in Thailand. So not sure if it can help.
A room no should only be given to direct the girl to your place. So after you agree to a session.
Anything else is not consistent with what you want and maybe shaky. Not very important to find out exactly what that is.
Ggekko2009
05-11-18, 13:27
Everyone goes through dry spells. Stay positive and don't get too frustrated. Don't think too much about your streak of bad luck. It will pass. In the meantime be happy and cheerful and try to find pleasure in the small things in life. Good food, drink and the kindness of people you meet. Women (of all nationalities) have sixth sense and if you are full of pent up frustrations and exhibit a bad attitude your troubles will just compound themselves and you will not find what you are looking for.Thanks for that encouragement. Actually, I had done my fair share of mongering across the globe, from FKK Germany to Private Haus in Amsterdam to Dominican Republic to Indonesia to Singapore and of course now Thailand. To me the journey is more important than the destination, and that is why I focus on the experience and interactions with the ladies. Even in FKK where the turnover is high, I only go for those ladies that I truly enjoy, not just on the sex but on the way how they make me feel. That is why I am so disappointed this time with the experience with the Thai girls. Actually, I have been having a good time with this Bangkok trip, albeit with the Uzbek girl that I met the first night and we hit off right then. It is just disappointing that it is not with a Thai girl instead.
Anyway, I have been hitting different clubs two nights in a row now with her, and probably another one again tonight before my trip back home. Nope it is not a freebie if you happen to ask. I paid her for LT price the first night and has continued to do so each night based on that rate. We have not discussed money nor price other than the first time I met her. It is the gentlemen agreement that I compensate for her time, and she is a working girl after all. I even prefer to leave money on the table and remind the girl to not forget pick them up before leaving the room. As the saying goes, I may not remember what the girls and I had done, but I can always remember how the girls had made me feel.
SAGE ADVICE.
All ye newcomers who enter here, read this post before ye fucketh Thai chicks.Yep. Eih Tooms and Uncle V's follow up post couldn't be more accurate. The interview process is a key to making better selections. Now in my mid 60's and overweight, I find less girls will go with me. And I am not an outgoing barrel of laughs. . But my percentage of good times is much higher than ever. It's all in my attitude and the interview process. Great advice in these recent posts for newbies and even some of us oldies.
Go late 3 or 4 nights in a row. And then go early 3 or 4 nights in a row. You'll see.Since I'm in Chiang Mai now (zzzzzz.) hopefully I can return soon and test that out haha.
Lefeu and SexInStl.
You both are very right! It is more so about quality over quantity, for me as well.
I retract that absent-minded statement, especially since I hadn't been there at 8 pm. Yet.
I was surprised to find a girl with a Japanese look I like, spoke good English and great personality, she also wouldn't budge under 3000 for ST, but I accepted.
Robert Long
05-11-18, 20:27
A Hotel name might serve as a price indicator. I was asked that a few times and found out the reason for it. But that was not in Thailand. So not sure if it can help.
A room no should only be given to direct the girl to your place. So after you agree to a session.
Anything else is not consistent with what you want and maybe shaky. Not very important to find out exactly what that is.Yup, I made and appointment with a lady on CL. She was excited and wanted to meet me ASAP. When she asked me the hotel name and I said "Ambassador", she never showed up. I Lined her and ask her when she was coming and she said that she had many disappointments at the Ambassador as most are Indian and bad news always follows. She canceled.
RL.
I can't remember to have been mongering on a Sunday but I will remember that last Sunday was the worst day I have encountered from all my BKK mongering days in terms of quality. Went to Nana at around 8. 20 pm and started first with Billboard and went further to Buterflies, Twister and Bangkok Bunnies which was by far the worst place of all. Absolutely no woman that caught my eye. All places were rather boring. The same goes for the WG's who looked rather uninterested. I have been reading that Fridays and Saturdays are the days when it's the most busiest with more WG's around which is understandable. Thermae was also so-so even though I never went to Thermae between 8 and 9 pm. Ended up with Dollhouse which has some lookers but I wasn't in the mood anymore. Can I conclude that Sunday is the worst day to go to gogo's or was it just bad luck?
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