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The Red Baron
07-18-19, 23:08
Dear friends.
The recent Russia post gave me an idea. Russian girls are easy to find, but some others are not so easy.
In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night? What will be the usual rate / price for LT? Any night clubs with Aboriginal girls in Bangkok?
I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African). An Albino Aboriginese is ok, but I prefer them to be dark skinned. A threesome with one albino and one normal Aboriginal would be a dream come true. If they are a midget, that's ok too, but not under 4 foot 7. As long as they are hot (at least a 8 out of 10) and have nice noses. Can I get guidance in this regard?
Some of you Aussie guys must know the answer. I hear Aboriginal girls are a hot commodity for Aussies. If you don't want to share the info publicly because you want to flood the market with mongers, please send me a PM, I promise to keep the info to myself.
Thanks in advance gents.If you want aboriginal girls you'll need to go to Australia, even then it will be near impossible because they are some of the ugliest women on the planet and there's no demand for them at all.
If Melanesian women are an acceptable substitute then you should try Fiji instead.
The Red Baron
07-18-19, 23:11
I have seen them and had one of them. As as I know they are from northern side of Pakistan which close to Afghanistan.
All the other points you mentioned were agreeable. Mine one had bath but only missionary position. BJ only with covered that too for 2 minutes. Avoid if possible.Ah I was suspicious they weren't Indian girls because they were quite light skinned. Why lie? Why not just say Pakistani?
In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night?
I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African).
Some of you Aussie guys must know the answer.If you really want a full blooded Aboriginal I think you are well out of luck in Bangkok.
Fly to Western Australia-Perth or The Northern Territory-Alice Springs. Head to the nearest public park or known Aboriginal drinking establishments. No shortage. Not sure of the outlay, however I have heard chat about just alcohol or even cigarettes.
I made a 2nd trip out to Thermae and can confirm now that my first trip was an anomaly. On that first visit, all the girls were outside due to the non-alcoholic holidays and the Thermae bar was closed; of course that didn't stop the girls from freelancing outside; hence the huge crowd.
On this 2nd visit, I actually saw the inside of Thermae for the first time. It had this feeling of a 'meat-market'-type of atmosphere. The girls were everywhere in that one huge big room. The ratio was definitely way more girls than guys. I think that if you're not able to find someone that meets your specification for attractiveness at this place, then there's a possibility that maybe asian girls are not your type. I have yet to explore all areas in the city. But at the moment, I would say that (so far since I've been here) this is probably the best freelancing hub in Bangkok.
Well, so far since I've mongered in Bangkok for the first time, I've managed to check out 2 gogo bars at Nana, an oily massage place, a BJ bar, and this Thermae bar.
The gogo bars were OK; I'll check out some more. The oily massage (101 Premier) was disappointing; the girl was attractive and she was actually a nice girl but the chemistry wasn't there. She might hit it off with someone else but I just didn't click with her. I'll have to try that place again since there seemed to be some more attractive girls there.
Other observations; seems like if you're looking for some hotties on Soi 4, they seem to be standing in front of Hooters.
Robert Long
07-19-19, 03:55
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07-19-19, 04:02
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If you want aboriginal girls you'll need to go to Australia, even then it will be near impossible because they are some of the ugliest women on the planet and there's no demand for them at all.
If Melanesian women are an acceptable substitute then you should try Fiji instead.
I agree that they are normally quite ugly. I just haven't tried any yet. It's a bucket list thing where I'd like to sample every different type of girl. I do intend on giving Fiji a shot as well some day.
If you really want a full blooded Aboriginal I think you are well out of luck in Bangkok.
Fly to Western Australia-Perth or The Northern Territory-Alice Springs. Head to the nearest public park or known Aboriginal drinking establishments. No shortage. Not sure of the outlay, however I have heard chat about just alcohol or even cigarettes.Thanks mate. I'll give it a shot in Perth. Another guy was telling me I can tempt them with some Swan Draught Beer.
Dear friends.
The recent Russia post gave me an idea. Russian girls are easy to find, but some others are not so easy.
In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night? What will be the usual rate / price for LT? Any night clubs with Aboriginal girls in Bangkok?
I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African). An Albino Aboriginese is ok, but I prefer them to be dark skinned. A threesome with one albino and one normal Aboriginal would be a dream come true. If they are a midget, that's OK too, but not under 4 foot 7. As long as they are hot (at least a 8 out of 10) and have nice noses. Can I get guidance in this regard?
Some of you Aussie guys must know the answer. I hear Aboriginal girls are a hot commodity for Aussies. If you don't want to share the info publicly because you want to flood the market with mongers, please send me a PM, I promise to keep the info to myself.
Thanks in advance gents.Albino Aboriginese. You are a funny dude smoothy!! Everything is available in Bangkok. Almost!!
PutinEatsJizz
07-19-19, 20:43
Mate, can you please guide me where to find Russian girls in Bangkok?
Also, your username is hilarious. Are you a Russian who's not a fan of the president?The one I found was hanging out in front of Grace hotel like on the ramp area. That whole city block is like 99% Arab though, so it was definitely a weird find. But yeah they are easily the most expensive type in BKK I think (she initially asked for 4 k).
If Hong Kong quiets down with all the riots, there's a couple of brothel-like buildings that are excellent for Russians. That's my usual go to place for them. They're the same price as BKK but much more variety.
And my username is just to drive away of trolls and bots LOL. Same reason listing China's atrocities (tianenmen square massacre) will drive away pro-Chinese government hacks.
Putin eats jizz.
I made a 2nd trip out to Thermae and can confirm now that my first trip was an anomaly. On that first visit, all the girls were outside due to the non-alcoholic holidays and the Thermae bar was closed; of course that didn't stop the girls from freelancing outside; hence the huge crowd.
On this 2nd visit, I actually saw the inside of Thermae for the first time. It had this feeling of a 'meat-market'-type of atmosphere. The girls were everywhere in that one huge big room. The ratio was definitely way more girls than guys. I think that if you're not able to find someone that meets your specification for attractiveness at this place, then there's a possibility that maybe asian girls are not your type. I have yet to explore all areas in the city. But at the moment, I would say that (so far since I've been here) this is probably the best freelancing hub in Bangkok.
Well, so far since I've mongered in Bangkok for the first time, I've managed to check out 2 gogo bars at Nana, an oily massage place, a BJ bar, and this Thermae bar.
The gogo bars were OK; I'll check out some more. The oily massage (101 Premier) was disappointing; the girl was attractive and she was actually a nice girl but the chemistry wasn't there. She might hit it off with someone else but I just didn't click with her. I'll have to try that place again since there seemed to be some more attractive girls there.
Other observations; seems like if you're looking for some hotties on Soi 4, they seem to be standing in front of Hooters.I agree. Thermae is "overall" the best for ST and even for LT many times but this usually happens with older gals late twenties +.
The younger ones 20 somethings are only usually open for ST. I picked up a hot 22 cutie standing near the back entrance. Thought I will repeat but never actually got time to call her again even though I was there for a week, even did not get a chance to visit the go gos this time what with all my clubbing & roof top bars thingy going with all new gals. This time even managed a couple of uzbeks one of them a total sex lover!
LoveLongTime
07-19-19, 23:50
Well we all have our bucket lists. I am looking for identical twins. They have to be good looking, but other than that I don't care what their ethnic origin is as long as its Asian. I don't want Caucasian or African twins! 2nd on my bucket list is a mother and daughter combo, but again the pair have to be smokin' hot and Asian. Please PM if you have any numbers.There are a pair of identical twins working at one of the vikings bars in Cebu. Early twenties, very very good looking. I took the less drunk of the two sisters for around 3500 Philippine pesos for LT. She was very energetic. Definition of LBFM. Best sex I have had since Pattaya last year. Top 3 ever. It's the last bar on the right in the mango square are owned by the Norwegian.
I am here in BKK for a short visit and it is much different now than when I lived here in the past. A lot less girls around and the Nana disco doesn't seem to be open. But as usual most of the girls are not friendly as there were years ago.
Did the walk around Nana and the Grace hotel but very few 8/9's around mostly 5/6's.
Did meet one girl last night and she was very GFE settled for long time 2 K and it was worth it. No rules no negativity just a friendly experience. Met her around the hotel on SUK just past Nana.
Will try again tonight to find her.
The only negative is that many girls at Thermae will be very mechanical in bed.
It can be a great place to start the evening to get the juices flowing. I have not had any luck at Thermae.
I made a 2nd trip out to Thermae and can confirm now that my first trip was an anomaly. On that first visit, all the girls were outside due to the non-alcoholic holidays and the Thermae bar was closed; of course that didn't stop the girls from freelancing outside; hence the huge
On this 2nd visit, I actually saw the inside of Thermae for the first time. It had this feeling of a 'meat-market'-type of atmosphere. The girls were everywhere in that one huge big room. The ratio was definitely way more girls than guys. I think that if you're not able to find someone that meets your specification for attractiveness at this place, then there's a possibility that maybe asian girls are not your type. I have yet to explore all areas in the city. But at the moment, I would say that (so far since I've been here) this is probably the best freelancing hub in Bangkok.
Well, so far since I've mongered in Bangkok for the first time, I've managed to check out 2 gogo bars at Nana, an oily massage place, a BJ bar, and this Thermae bar.
The gogo bars were OK; I'll check out some more. The oily massage (101 Premier) was disappointing; the girl was attractive and she was actually a nice girl but the chemistry wasn't there. She might hit it off with someone else but I just didn't click with her. I'll have to try that place again since there seemed to be some more attractive girls there.
Other observations; seems like if you're looking for some hotties on Soi 4, they seem to be standing in front of Hooters.
The only negative is that many girls at Thermae will be very mechanical in bed.That's why I am going to pick up one of these. Less hassle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cN8sJz50Ng
Robert Long
07-20-19, 06:53
The only negative is that many girls at Thermae will be very mechanical in bed.
It can be a great place to start the evening to get the juices flowing. I have not had any luck at Thermae.I have pulled 5 girls from Thermae and all of them were patient and not in a hurry. Being older it takes a littler longer for me to finish. Each lady was vey understanding and went all out to get me to finish. They tried every play in the book to succeed and two even took off the condom and said please pull out when you come.
I guess everyone has a different experience with the ladies they pull. I did nego the price but still could not get under 2000 thb. A couple were 2500 thb. These were girls from the right side which I think is the 6-7 group, the left side is the 8-9 group, score out of 10.
RL.
That's why I am going to pick up one of these. Less hassle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cN8sJz50NgWoah. I might buy one after seeing feedback from initial buyers.
I have pulled 5 girls from Thermae and all of them were patient and not in a hurry. Being older it takes a littler longer for me to finish. Each lady was vey understanding and went all out to get me to finish. They tried every play in the book to succeed and two even took off the condom and said please pull out when you come.
I guess everyone has a different experience with the ladies they pull. I did nego the price but still could not get under 2000 thb. A couple were 2500 thb. These were girls from the right side which I think is the 6-7 group, the left side is the 8-9 group, score out of 10.
RL.Interesting. I never knew anyone pulled the somewhat unattractive girls from the right side. I always thought those girls were just there to socialize with their friends and drink.
If the girls on the left are charging 2500, I would think the girls on the right would be 1000 or even free.
Member #4698
07-20-19, 14:13
I have pulled 5 girls from Thermae and all of them were patient and not in a hurry.
I guess everyone has a different experience with the ladies they pull. I did nego the price but still could not get under 2000 thb. A couple were 2500 thb. These were girls from the right side which I think is the 6-7 group, the left side is the 8-9 group, score out of 10.
RL.Everybody has different tastes, different MO's, and as a result different favorite honky tonks. This post is not intended to criticize you or put you down, just to indicate how we arrive at such divergent views of Thermae. The bottom line is I am not a big fan and very rarely take a girl out of there, but I still occasionally like to drop by and window shop, usually later in the evening after I have already had a ST with a Go Go girl and said goodbye to her or when I am coming back from a session at a Soapie and dinner. It's usually around midnight or a little later and I am just cruising around Sukhumvit sometimes heading in the general direction of Soi 11, sometimes heading the other way towards Cowboy or Soi 22. I enjoy cruising around Sukhumvit after midnight. Many times, but far from a majority of the time, I will meet a girl I like in a bar or on the street and have a 2 fer.
Anyway, since I am in the neighborhood and just passing by Thermae, I will drop in to take a look at the girls and have a coke lite as long as I have nothing else specific on my agenda. The 1st issue I have with Thermae is I rarely see any girls on the left or right above a 6 IMHO and the fact that most of the girls are wearing drab street clothes doesn't help either. The 2nd issue I have with Thermae is the vibe. Some guys refer to it as a meat market. I wouldn't mind if it were just that. I used to frequent Nataree a lot. Now Nataree WAS a meat market! LOL. But it was a friendly good vibe meat market and many of the Nataree girls were young, pretty and up to my spec. It's too bad, but I just don't see the good vibes happening in Thermae. The older girls whom I am not interested in are friendly, but the younger more attractive ones are available yes, but appear too reticent in the bar for my taste plus the set-up kind of deters engaging in private conversations ie auditions with the girls to establish a rapport or see if one is possible before taking them out. That last sentence mainly refers to girls sitting along the walls not so much with girls sitting around the island.
Anyway, for these reasons and a few more besides, Thermae is just not my kind of pick up joint. YMMV. I am glad you like it and have found nice girls there. I know there are nice girls there. Some girlfriends of my Mini are former Baccara Go Go girls who now occasionally FL in Thermae. I have seen them sitting in booths along the left wall and I will say hi to them. Later Mini will confirm the brief encounter and joke about my visiting Thermae. HA HA. Her girlfriends are great girls! Back in the day I used to hang out with Mini and her entourage 3 or 4 nights a week. I just find it easier and more fun to find those kinds of girls and younger ones too elsewhere. 555.
Thus whenever I do stop by I usually walk around the island 2 or 3 times, smiling at the girls, nodding my head at the ones that smile back, avoiding the smiles from the needy, unattractive ones; just sipping my coke lite. Then I head back outside to wherever I was rambling off to.
On my last trip to BKK I took one Thermae girl. It was after midnight on my first night in town. She was ok, nice looking, maybe a 6, but nothing to write home about. I have pics of her to remind me of how she looks, otherwise I would have forgotten her already as I predicted. I still have her LINE ID on my cell phone, but there is no chance I will drop her a line and get back together with her. She was not a bad girl, just not a memorable one.
And in all my years of occasionally dropping by Thermae, there was only one Thermae girl that I met 6 or 7 years ago, that really moved me. What a girl! She was 28, gorgeous, well dressed and professionally coiffed, graceful, educated, friendly, outgoing, confident, and very sexy. She obviously did not belong in Thermae. Ha Ha. Girls like her do not usually hang out in Thermae. They are usually found in Mixx or someplace like that. Needless to say, I took her home after we established a little friendly rapport and had a great time, but somehow, I lost the scrap of paper that had her name and cell number. This was before I had a smart phone. I went back several times to Thermae to find her, but no such luck. I am still grieving over the loss. 555.
That's why I am going to pick up one of these. Less hassle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cN8sJz50NgI tried one once. Less hassle, yes. But too mechanical in bed.
Well, I do agree with that.
To stay on topic, here's a girl I had sex with recently in Thailand with my tax refund.Oh myyy.
Why can't I meet someone like that.
Oh myyy.
Why can't I meet someone like that.Give it 20-30 yrs and you'll be able to.
Read 'Machines Like Me' for a possible robotic future we'll have.
I tried one once. Less hassle, yes. But too mechanical in bed.Mechanical aspect we're used to. Like a large percentage of the gals here.
There are a pair of identical twins working at one of the vikings bars in Cebu. Early twenties, very very good looking. I took the less drunk of the two sisters for around 3500 Philippine pesos for LT. She was very energetic. Definition of LBFM. Best sex I have had since Pattaya last year. Top 3 ever. It's the last bar on the right in the mango square are owned by the Norwegian.Thanks.
I am in Cebu in Oct. I will hunt for the twins.
I might be able to knock one off the bucket list.
Like Austin Powers said. "twins Basil twins".
Mechanical aspect we're used to. Like a large percentage of the gals here.You're right. But the part about the robot girl remembering what you tell her and not asking again or us needing to repeat the same instructions to her over and over again would be a big plus in favor of the robot.
The only negative is that many girls at Thermae will be very mechanical in bed.
It can be a great place to start the evening to get the juices flowing. I have not had any luck at Thermae.Yeah that's true, I took a girl in my last trip in Dec, the girl took the money instantly after entering the room, she charged around 4500 baht for a night, she made me bath in the tub and went for the deed in the bed, it was a quickly, I don't know what went into her mind, she started to see her kids photos in the phone, that's it, then it was early in the morning, when she tried to give a BJ, may be I was in hangover due to previous night alcohol or something, Johnny was not waking up, then she said she is hungry and left at 5 in the morning, I think thermae is a hit and miss chance, try your luck, you may not have your life time experience from there, it's better to take a girl who don't have kids, I feel they are more mechanical. Also she don't had a great body, but she was cute, due to the lot of choices available confuses us. I recommend only if you are sure about the girls go a head.
Franciscass
07-21-19, 04:48
I tried one once. Less hassle, yes. But too mechanical in bed.My problem was she kept telling me to hurry up she was running out of battery. On top of that the ***** told me I was a cheap Charlie because I didn't tip her.
You're right. But the part about the robot girl remembering what you tell her and not asking again or us needing to repeat the same instructions to her over and over again would be a big plus in favor of the robot.So true. And I'm sure the robot would have no problem with BBFS or CIM.
And in all my years of occasionally dropping by Thermae, there was only one Thermae girl that I met 6 or 7 years ago, that really moved me. What a girl! She was 28, gorgeous, well dressed and professionally coiffed, graceful, educated, friendly, outgoing, confident, and very sexy. She obviously did not belong in Thermae. Ha Ha. Girls like her do not usually hang out in Thermae. They are usually found in Mixx or someplace like that. Needless to say, I took her home after we established a little friendly rapport and had a great time, but somehow, I lost the scrap of paper that had her name and cell number. This was before I had a smart phone. I went back several times to Thermae to find her, but no such luck. I am still grieving over the loss. 555.You seem to have more luck than me (or more canny selecting girls) but very similar taste. I have to agree with your report completely. I am mostly just call in for a look too. Hard for me to get to the best girls. They don't want me or give off a bad vibe. No memorable girls in recent years from the Thermae, none even worth repeating and for me nearly half were bomb outs.
The clear problems for me, were over dressed girls hiding that body was not so fab, and too many girls with a lack of experience doing Farangs. The ones experienced in Farangs and preferring Farangs are just too ordinary looking and not too the standard we want.
I absolutely agree to about dreaming about fabulous girls of the Thermae from yesteryear long ago, never to find that fantastic a girl again.
Recently have repeated a Soi 4 street girl. Yeh I got lucky, she was tall, pretty enough, and gave a wonderful GFE. She loves Farangs and prefers them. Ha ha. Only weakness is has very small tits, but no big deal for me. No fake stuff. Wonderful full on tongue kissing which I never got from a Thermae girl in recent years. I don't need Raunchy girls but I guess some in Thermae are just too timid and recalcitrant and too inexperienced. If I just got that lucky in Thermae once, maybe I would change my stance.
In the old days Thermae was located in mouth of Soi 13 (close to Miami crap Hotel), and above it was the Thermae Soapy Massage (quite small but some good girls). Wonderful times in 1991. I was not even aware Annies existed. Nudity in bars was only in Pat Pong. Where is my time machine? I would like to repeat it all. One problem is my Thai GF was just a child at the time. Would have been nice to meet her really young though (at say 19 or 20).
So true. And I'm sure the robot would have no problem with BBFS or CIM.If a robot was as hot as the robot girl in "Ex Machina" movie, I would certainly take her. My spec exactly.
If the girls on the left are charging 2500, I would think the girls on the right would be 1000 or even free.Some people think girls should all be the same price. Ha ha. Not me. Poor quality should be very cheap. Top quality should cost more. Depends surely on demand.
In demand girls can afford to say no, if the price is not good. That is fair enough, the next guy will pay more.
Girls to the right side are comparable to Soi 4 girls somewhat, so prices should not be too far away for many of them. Yes some exceptions where I may have considered a right side girl, more so girls near to the front door, not sure if that is part of the "right" or not.
The worst girls on Soi 4 might be 1K an average girl 1200 and a much better girl 1300 to 1500. It makes no sense to me that the price variation is so low. I will go higher for something special, for sure. For some reason I just don't want the cheapest. Does not excite me. Sure I can get a dick in for 1K, but not my objective. I want value for the money too. Not a dog or fat face.
Gents,
I had hope to report more mongering activities while I explored more of Bangkok for the first time. I found that searching through the forum had been pretty helpful in preparing me for the different mongering areas to explore on this trip.
Unfortunately, the girl that I met on my first visit to Thermae has just spent the past 3 days with me. A positive though is the only thing that I've paid with her is for only meals and drinks that we've had. Otherwise, I've only given her that 2 k on the first time we met and some taxi money when she just left. If it weren't for her school days, she'd probably still be with me right now. So I guess I've got myself a steady local now; we'll see.
So hopefully now I'll get to check out Soi Cowboy and Patpong areas as I had planned.
When I went to Thermae the 3rd time this past Friday, I observed from outside that even from 8 pm-9 pm, girls were still rolling in to start their 'work'. And I didn't observe too many girls being taken out during this timeframe either. I went inside around 9 pm. But before I went inside, I did notice 3 girls arriving that seemed to be new to the location and didn't seem to know where to go and acted nervously about going inside; seems like there is also potential to meet some amateurs as well to this hobby. As I went inside and saw all the girls, I think between 9 pm-10 pm might be the best time to visit and get a decent lineup to choose. There were definitely a lot to choose (attractive, average, young, older girls). The girl that spent the past 3 days with me didn't show up 'til I think 10:00 pm. I ended chatting with her again and I took her out without discussing any pricing and it just rolled on from there.
Anyways, I can definitely see now why so many guys decide to stay and live in Thailand.
TC.
Gladiator69
07-24-19, 15:25
Was free within 1 hour. My other fantasy in this trip is to tick off BDSM. So tried contacting couple of dominatrix wael, jaa but they given me appointment later in the week. While browsing came across two BDSM clubs Barbar fetish and demino. Bar bar is in patpong and demino is close to phrong pong. Went to demino as it's closer to ashok. The club is very well played out amd nice atmosphere. Enough space about 7 dominatrix and 12 slaves were present as mentioned by the bar girl. Sat at the end of the bar. A salve girl was tied up near it and dom was spanking her. Had a bit of conversation and then I started hearing sounds coming from adjoining room having only curtain. There was a group session 2 men and 4 girls (1 dom and 3 slaves in session). Was able to hear and see everything. The guys were having time of their life. After sometime selected a dom and slave. Did some basic stuff. Then asked them to show me around. On the top floor rooms for private session were available, all of them were empty and on side of the bar 1 guy was having BJ completely naked in full view of anyone passing by. Near the cage room asian guy was being spanked by dom. I went in middle of the bar which was a little dark. Asked slave slave to give me BJ while dom gave her all the instructions. Then made her eat out dom and while I pumped slave and doggy. All this in open area. Was quite a turn on. Tomorrow will try out bar bar fetish. Total damage for demino was around 8 k but I don't care as I had a good time.Thank you for the report on BDSM. BDSM report is rare in this forum. Want to try some bondage stuff with a slave or two in Demonia after your report. Looking forward to your report in Bar Bar Fetish.
Robert Long
07-24-19, 20:30
Some people think girls should all be the same price. Ha ha. Not me. Poor quality should be very cheap. Top quality should cost more. Depends surely on demand.
In demand girls can afford to say no, if the price is not good. That is fair enough, the next guy will pay more.
Girls to the right side are comparable to Soi 4 girls somewhat, so prices should not be too far away for many of them. Yes some exceptions where I may have considered a right side girl, more so girls near to the front door, not sure if that is part of the "right" or not.
The worst girls on Soi 4 might be 1K an average girl 1200 and a much better girl 1300 to 1500. It makes no sense to me that the price variation is so low. I will go higher for something special, for sure. For some reason I just don't want the cheapest. Does not excite me. Sure I can get a dick in for 1K, but not my objective. I want value for the money too. Not a dog or fat face.I assume from your post that you haven't priced the Ladies in Thermae for quite some time. I was also shocked at what they were asking. Maybe it was to early in the evening at around 10:00.
The right side winners were at 3000 to 5000 thb st. I was a little taken back that they were not ready to nego and although laughing and playing around they would not budge on their price.
They are waiting for their Japanese prize to make an offer I guess.
It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.
RL.
I assume from your post that you haven't priced the Ladies in Thermae for quite some time. I was also shocked at what they were asking. Maybe it was to early in the evening at around 10:00.
The right side winners were at 3000 to 5000 thb st. I was a little taken back that they were not ready to nego and although laughing and playing around they would not budge on their price.
They are waiting for their Japanese prize to make an offer I guess.
It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.
RL.It really is absurd, and like the GoGo scene, directed at tourists, not residents. It hasn't been a local hangout for years, and neither have GoGo bars for that matter. There really are no more girlie establishments that are expat hangouts, where you can go grab a drink, have a fun time or just a conversation and laughs with your friends, not be hassled by waitstaff, grab a gal if you want, and spend way less than the insane 3-5 k gals in Thermae are asking now. Incredible, Thermae gals were 1 k for years and years. 1 k in 99 and 1 k in 09. Then 1500 for years, 2 k for quite a time, then boom, rapid escalation in price. As you say, the Asian punter will pay. Was in a few weeks ago and the place was rammed. Never seen it that full. Lots of young Asian punters. By young, I mean under 30. Some didn't looked like they were fresh out of uni. All starry eyed, nervous, and naive. Gals would put up three fingers and off they'd go. Certain it didn't take her long to "earn" that money.
It was such a great place at one time. Sad? Angry? You bet. Who wouldn't be?
JustTimePass
07-25-19, 02:15
Thank you for the report on BDSM. BDSM report is rare in this forum. Want to try some bondage stuff with a slave or two in Demonia after your report. Looking forward to your report in Bar Bar Fetish.I was not able to explore bar bar fetish in this visit. Will try it in my next visit around December. If you visit London anytime let me know I know a very good BDSM club.
It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.RL.Even worse are smug dudes who think it is great to say, "well, if you can't afford it, too bad. " "It's the market. " li
Like it's some magical entity. I can afford it, but why? It's become very poor value for money.
Many of us choose Thailand, not just because of cheap plentiful p4 p but for the lifestyle you could live on very little. I'd often say it was a 3 star life on a 1 star budget. It's still 3 star in most aspects but your paying 4 star prices for many things and not receiving the quality of goods and services you expect for top dollar. Things you ignored when it was cheap are now a focus as they have become quite dear. And it seems the tourist numbers are declining because of it.
It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.It's always someone else's fault that the farang are priced out instead of our own. Older retired ex-pats on a limited budget due to not being employed anymore is priced out not because of his limited buying power but because of some asinine comment like 4 minutes, 4 inches, and 4000 baht. Current mongers from the UK and Australia are being priced out not because the exchange rate sucks but because some Asian guy is overpaying. Nevermind that there are still many 2 week farang millionaires coming from the USA inflating the price as well.
Blame can be shared all the way around. 2 week millionaires from the USA & Asia, weak exchange rates if you come from the UK or Australia, backwards Thai thinking of charging more when it's slow, and simply bars just being more greedy than ever before which is the most obvious reason. Tiered bar fines based on time and / or coyote / agency girls, bill padding double lady drinks, known gogo bar scams, and BGs just being a starfish and looking for a reason to cut short a session all either drive up prices or give a sense of little to negative value.
There's always the famous saying that a TG will charge more if she doesn't really want to go out with you. It could be that farangs are getting prices bumped higher now that the Asians are in town. But really it's a large mix of everything I've listed out that's affecting us.
Gents,
Since we're on the topic of Thermae, I thought I'the throw in my experience. I haven't written a field report for it yet, but I'll throw this out here for now. I went to thermae around 10 pm on a Saturday night, which I know isn't the best, but I still found this short and cute girl on the left side. She did make eye contact, smiled, and came over to me when I beckoned, so I took that as a good sign. During negotiations, I only managed to talk her down to 3 k from 3. 5 k, and she agreed to BBBJ and CFS. When we flagged a taxi she seemed mildly surprised and annoyed I lived south of Lumpini park, which I guess is rather far for her to travel back and forth? Anyways, we get to the Airbnb and she insists on just cleaning up by herself, no showering together. Afterwards, she just jumped in bed and started playing on her phone. Whatever, she was pretty damn cute, and I was looking forward to taking her. When I got started, however, she became this starfish. And even had the nerve to look at her watch and tell me to hurry up. I was quickly losing interest and motivation down there, so told her I was done about 10 minutes in. And then she got up and checked my condom, of all things. I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.
I don't know if gogo bars are for me. I've checked out the bars at Nana and Soi Cowboy.
For the most part, they do have a lot of attractive young girls. Although most of them will have tatoos and I'm not really into the whole tattoo thing. I tend to prefer the attractive, natural-beauty without any surgical enhancements or tattoos to the body. The bar fines seem to be between 1 k-1.5 k. The attractive girls seem to quote their own take for 3 k and some lowering that to 2.5 k. I took one girl from Nana and she seemed more concerned with trying to get me to finish quickly as opposed to trying to provide a good time. She did offer me CIM so I guess it was ok. I took another girl from Nana and she was one on those 'PR' girls who works on trying to bring you inside the bar. She offered a decent GFE experience and even offered to cook for me for another evening. I haven't contacted her again just because I'm just being too superficial; her stomach tattoo is just turning me off.
Two girls (who happen to be friends) from one of the gogo bars on Soi Cowboy offered to take me to go eat some noodles ('kuay tiew') after their work. We exchanged LINE info and one of them offered to take me on a trip to see Hua Hin; never been there so we'll see.
I do like this bar on Soi Cowboy called 'Tilac'. I just like how their outside table is setup so you can just sit and chill out (watching the view) while having a beer. Unfortunately, their girls are not that attractive.
I frequently walk past [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and Kasalong; unfortunately, based on just looks alone, I couldn't recommend going there. I think I've only seen one person sitting outside of Kasalong that I'd give a go for a BJ. Otherwise, I'll pay the couple hundred Bahts extra at 7-Heaven to get an attractive, young girl to provide the service.
I really screwed myself by messing around with this Thermae girl who has pretty much left a bunch of her clothes and belongings in my apartment and comes over when she has free time. I'm beginning to realize that Thai women can be somewhat clingy.
Anyways, I still need to try one of those big soapy massage places (I. E. La Belle, Poseidon). And I think I'll try to see how the regular disco club scene is like on Soi 11.
TC.
It's always someone else's fault that the farang are priced out instead of our own. Older retired ex-pats on a limited budget due to not being employed anymore is priced out not because of his limited buying power but because of some asinine comment like 4 minutes, 4 inches, and 4000 baht. Current mongers from the UK and Australia are being priced out not because the exchange rate sucks but because some Asian guy is overpaying. Nevermind that there are still many 2 week farang millionaires coming from the USA inflating the price as well.
Blame can be shared all the way around. 2 week millionaires from the USA & Asia, weak exchange rates if you come from the UK or Australia, backwards Thai thinking of charging more when it's slow, and simply bars just being more greedy than ever before which is the most obvious reason. Tiered bar fines based on time and / or coyote / agency girls, bill padding double lady drinks, known gogo bar scams, and BGs just being a starfish and looking for a reason to cut short a session all either drive up prices or give a sense of little to negative value.
There's always the famous saying that a TG will charge more if she doesn't really want to go out with you. It could be that farangs are getting prices bumped higher now that the Asians are in town. But really it's a large mix of everything I've listed out that's affecting us.I've been here living here for almost two decades. The two-week millionaires have always had little effect on the overall price. There were just not the many of them when compared with expats and visitors who paid 1 k to the gals. Gals have always used the high price technique to scare away dudes they did not want to go with. Personally, I moved here when the Baht was well over 40 and saw it tumble to the low 30's well before the current strength it's experiencing against all currencies, including Asian ones. Yes, the exchange rate has had an effect, but when we look just at the Baht price, the cost has risen significantly over the last few years. The one factor that is constant in those years is the increasing number of Asian punters and the decreasing number of Western punters. Even back when the Japanese started coming to Thermae about 01, they tended to pay more. After the closing of the Siam City Coffee Shop in the mid-00's, which was the Asian Thermae and where most gals were priced at 1500 Baht as opposed to 1 k Baht Thermae, Asian customers started coming to Thermae in droves and the atmosphere, which was a party every night with some quite aggressive gals, changed and prices hit their first increase. Gone were the uber-fun gals dancing by the jukebox, the gals grabbing your crotch as you walked by saying, "F*ck with you tonight," and boom, 1500 as opposed to 1 k. And in came gals who would not go with Western guys. Personally I found the changes to be quite drastic as early as 07 and went from being a 3 to four night a week patron to being a few times a month then. And that had nothing to do with price but because it was no longer a "fun" place to hang out. Over the next decade the number of Western dudes kept declining and the atmosphere kept changing, until we see today's Thermae, 3 k gals, dressed conservatively, standing against the side, trying to act demure, not drinking, not dancing, projecting a kind of faux innocent politeness, with a myriad of dudes walking around in circles. Reminds me of a bad middle school dance with gals on one side and boys on the other. Not to mention gals who will completely ignore you or look away from you if you are Western and try to talk to them. Do you realize how rude and insulting that is here in Thailand?
With all due respect, the comment 4/4/4 or 3/3/3 is really not asinine. Demeaning yes, so for sure not a nice comment. Asian guys have always paid more, are smaller as a group if you look at statistics as far as size, and have very different performance expectations and you can verify this with gals that go with them. And the Asian punter far outnumbers the Western punter and will continue to do so. And to make matters worse, very few of the Asian dudes you see in Thermae are expats. Just like the GoGo scene it is for tourists now. I'll still contend that the number one factor with price increases in Thermae is the vast number of Asian tourist punters.
Gents,
Since we're on the topic of Thermae, I thought I'the throw in my experience. I haven't written a field report for it yet, but I'll throw this out here for now. I went to thermae around 10 pm on a Saturday night, which I know isn't the best, but I still found this short and cute girl on the left side. She did make eye contact, smiled, and came over to me when I beckoned, so I took that as a good sign. During negotiations, I only managed to talk her down to 3 k from 3. 5 k, and she agreed to BBBJ and CFS. When we flagged a taxi she seemed mildly surprised and annoyed I lived south of Lumpini park, which I guess is rather far for her to travel back and forth? Anyways, we get to the Airbnb and she insists on just cleaning up by herself, no showering together. Afterwards, she just jumped in bed and started playing on her phone. Whatever, she was pretty damn cute, and I was looking forward to taking her. When I got started, however, she became this starfish. And even had the nerve to look at her watch and tell me to hurry up. I was quickly losing interest and motivation down there, so told her I was done about 10 minutes in. And then she got up and checked my condom, of all things. I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.When I have an experience like that, the session is called off immediately when there is no performance and the gal gets a few hundred Baht. They will continue to pull those stunts as long as guys accept it and pay full rate. Of course my interview is usually a bit more in depth, but even then it's a crap shoot. You'll probably get better performance out of a 1-1. 5 k Baht Soi 4 gal. It won't be any worse and you will not have spent 3 k for a big bag of nothing. I know very few dudes who are getting performers out of Thermae these days.
CzarNicholas
07-26-19, 03:05
I've been here living here for almost two decades. The two-week millionaires have always had little effect on the overall price. There were just not the many of them when compared with expats and visitors who paid 1 k to the gals. Gals have always used the high price technique to scare away dudes they did not want to go with. Personally, I moved here when the Baht was well over 40 and saw it tumble to the low 30's well before the current strength it's experiencing against all currencies, including Asian ones. Yes, the exchange rate has had an effect, but when we look just at the Baht price, the cost has risen significantly over the last few years. The one factor that is constant in those years is the increasing number of Asian punters and the decreasing number of Western punters. Even back when the Japanese started coming to Thermae about 01, they tended to pay more. After the closing of the Siam City Coffee Shop in the mid-00's, which was the Asian Thermae and where most gals were priced at 1500 Baht as opposed to 1 k Baht Thermae, Asian customers started coming to Thermae in droves and the atmosphere, which was a party every night with some quite aggressive gals, changed and prices hit their first increase..I'd love to discuss how this evolved!
Great post, many thanks.
(I'm no BKK expert, but I believe "someone" is telling many of them not to? Same as Angeles city).
Robert Long
07-26-19, 06:51
When I have an experience like that, the session is called off immediately when there is no performance and the gal gets a few hundred Baht. They will continue to pull those stunts as long as guys accept it and pay full rate. Of course my interview is usually a bit more in depth, but even then it's a crap shoot. You'll probably get better performance out of a 1-1. 5 k Baht Soi 4 gal. It won't be any worse and you will not have spent 3 k for a big bag of nothing. I know very few dudes who are getting performers out of Thermae these days.Although I have pulled some good ladies out of Thermae, your report sums up what is happening. They are treating us like they treat the Asian Johns. No respect and a fast session. I have heard that from guys that pull from the Bars also. The ladies feel they are in charge and when you finish they go. They want to get back and pull another John and the cuter they are the better of a chance they will succeed.
I don't go after the 8's and 9's, for the very reason discussed. I just want a good BBBJ and a good fuck. Attitude is everything and if she has it, we go.
RL.
Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.
In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.
So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.
Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.
Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.
Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".
The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.
I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.
But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.
P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.
So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).
Francesco24
07-26-19, 08:27
Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.
In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.
So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.
Is it just "the call of the 'strange'" LOL.
Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle..I live in BKK too (even if just since 2011 so I missed every good time- and I am married (I think Goatscrot has a GF or wife too).
So in this situation isn't so easy to have a nice stable of "regular". I have just a few and it would be nice to have the option to find a new girl fast and simple. The first few years of 2010 had still some good experiences at shops like Mango etc, but lately even oilys have gone really downhill.
Surely single guys will have it easier.
I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.Why would you think she was a non-pro? The fact she was a starfish and played with her phone doesn't make her a non-pro. She took 3 K baht for a lousy 1 shot and still complained, that makes her feel like a real pro, but a bad one. She probably does it on a daily basis.
We exchanged LINE info and one of them offered to take me on a trip to see Hua Hin; never been there so we'll see.In other terms, she offered you to pay for her holiday in Hua Hin. Don't forget you'll have to pay for every expenses (she might even try to make you pay for some barfines and some daily rates for herself also) and some of these girls are very annoying so try to know her a bit more before considering taking her anywhere for more than 1 day.
I think I've only seen one person sitting outside of Kasalong that I'd give a go for a BJ. Otherwise, I'll pay the couple hundred Bahts extra at 7-Heaven to get an attractive, young girl to provide the service.For only a BJ, some girls from the two first bars are not bad in my experience. I would not consider going in the 7-heaven shop after reports of the gun related incident a few month ago.
My report is old, for Early December 2018. I am indian and I could get a girl for an hour for 2. 5 k THB. Two different girls on two different nights, same damage. I am visiting again next month and will see if the rates are still same. Both girls were early twenties.
Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.
In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.
So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.
Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.
Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.
Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".
The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.
I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.
But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.
P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.
So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).
My report is old, for Early December 2018. I am indian and I could get a girl for an hour for 2. 5 k THB. Two different girls on two different nights, same damage. I am visiting again next month and will see if the rates are still same. Both girls were early twenties.I agree. 2. 5 is obtainable.
But I'll say this. If they are going to clockwatch for that 2. 5 k, I'd rather say no clockwatching and you get 500 baht tip.
You won't get 2. 5 K with the girl I was referencing.
I think she is very very popular with the Asian customers. (specifically Japanese) She can come in at the end of the night. And will almost always land a customer. (at her price (s).
I'm a 6 month millionaire and if I want it, paying an extra $20 is nothing to me.
I'm old and go to Thailand because like it. So if I feel like banging a chick that I like, I don't care about Nickle and diming. And I rarely get refused. And the last time I did I showed the girl my bankroll, she grabbed me about half an hour later. So it goes, YMMV.
I wasn't particularly horny tonight but had a free night from the current regulars, went out for a walk in the very pleasant weather and thought I'd stop in Thermae around 9:30 PM for a quick soda and look around. The Asian Customer River was flowing pretty thick in the usual circle around the bar about that time. I made two cruises around in the River, got several big smiles and nice comments as I passed both sides and, yes, also a few averted gazes as I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai and got zero response in terms of a smile back or a verbal reply. No biggie. I was mostly there for the soda and people watching.
I planted myself in the middle of the bar, occasionally sipping my soda and realized a well put together girl on the left side kept working it to get my attention. She was sending me a smile and a nod but seemed to be trying to be very careful about not attracting attention from the Asian Customer River cruisers while doing it. Like she stepped back a bit in her position in the left side line up and did her best to keep this little facial communication between the two of us as private as possible. It was kind of cute, actually. Of course, a couple of times I checked behind and around me to make sure it was actually me that she was "talking" to instead of some dude standing behind me. I hate it when I make a funny face and smile back to a girl across the room and it turns out she isn't "talking" to me at all. LOL.
She wasn't what I'd consider among the top 5% best lookers in the bar. But she certainly fit right in on the left side as among the better lookers who are usually on that side. She had all the Left Side Thermae basics in order; young, tallish, light skin, slim, well proportioned, good, even facial features, well quaffed, upscale looking compared to most FLs in the general area.
Ok, I was more or less on my way out anyway so after about 10 minutes of this I walk over to say Hi. Again in a slightly conspiratorial style but loud enough for me to hear, she says her name is Jane, that she really likes me and assures me she is very good and will take good care of me. I had decided a few months ago that I would not take another Left Side Thermae girl unless I had negotiated everything within an inch of all our lives before taking her. But for whatever reason, this time I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok. I was now committed to "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" regarding anything and everything that could possibly provide a finish for me. That is, either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM. It was just a good night to see if there was anyone in Thermae or strolling along the street worth adding to my regulars stable I suppose.
Anyway, the whole time on the short walk to get a taxi and the several minutes we were in the taxi she kept saying how much she likes hansum man, only takes one customer per night, so happy she met me, she will be very good to me, blah, blah, blah.
In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really. "Oh, please, please, please, I need to know I will get money." Again, such a relaxed and pleasant evening. God, but confrontations of this kind are so boring in this country. I just wanted to "go with the flow", eat her pussy and "see what happens" tonight. Ok, sweetheart, here's 1,000 baht for now. I'll give you the rest after we boom boom or you give me a blowjob. "Ok, good. Thank you. I like you. No problem. I will be good for you."
After we each showered, separately at my request since she wanted us to shower together (I am just not into sex in the shower and would rather avoid setting the stage for it), she came out wrapped in a towel and right away started with the condom condom condom talk. I told her well, I can't boom boom with a condom but I have had a vasectomy (said it in Thai) and always get a medical check. She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it), then you can give me a blowjob, ok? Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?
So this is going to be an Oral Sex session. I'm good with that. And, who knows, we're still in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. It could lead to her changing her mind about demanding a condom for boom boom. I've heard that happens a lot out there these days.
It didn't happen this time. She seemed to absolutely love DATY. So many of them do. Faking it? Maybe. But again it was, "Ohhh, you good man. You very good. I like you too much. " Then, "I suck you now. I want to make you happy."
Yep, you guessed it. She was totally incapable of coordinating the mouth and hand movements in the same direction instead of the Taffy Pull move where the hand is moving in one direction and her mouth is going in another. Totally incapable of slowing the goddam hell down. Totally incapable of giving a blowjob really. Or, more likely, totally incapable of wanting to give me a blowjob. After about 6-7 seemingly interminable minutes of trying to show her how to move her hand and mouth in the SAME DIRECTION rather than in opposite directions, asking her as gently as possible to please for the love of god slow down, she pulls out an unwrapped condom from somewhere nearby and says with a smile, "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. "You no want to boom boom?" Oh, I love to boom boom. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). "I have condom. We boom boom ok? I want."
End of session. She showers and gets dressed. She is still so chirpy and happy I am certain she thinks I am going to give her another 1,500 baht to go along with the 1,000 baht I have already given her. But I am not going to do that. Eventually, as I am slipping on my shoes to walk her down to the front door of my apartment building, she says with a smile, "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom and you did not give me a blowjob or take good care of me. I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did (I ate her pussy to what seemed like a pretty damn good finish. Wish I'd been her to feel that.), I will give you more only if we boom boom or you give me a real blowjob the way I told you to give me. Silence. It was such a relief not to hear the word "condom" again. I was tempted to give her a 100 baht tip just for that. But I fought off the temptation and won.
I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.
I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.
For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.Haha. Very good. True. And if you want to say it in a more casual way like a local I suppose, it is "what the crap." Native Thai speakers often get lazy with that "so" part and just drop it.
Haha. Very good. True. And if you want to say it in a more casual way like a local I suppose, it is "what the crap." Native Thai speakers often get lazy with that "so" part and just drop it.Mr. Tooms, I would have wagered a fair amount of money on your Thermae "go with flow" outcome and come out the winner.
One really nice girl I got from there, is an actual "freelancer" and I have only seen her in there that one time that we met. She's not a regular, as are 90% of the girls in there. (certainly on left side). For whatever reason she seemed to really like me and went out of her way to actually approach me / sidle up to me.
I told her could not function with condom, she said ok, but "finish outside'. Deal. That was a very very nice session. She was happy, I was happy. Last time I was in town I called her but she told me she was only free on Thursday night and we didn't touch base again.
The other one, that I have written about (the one quite popular with Japanese, and she's always on left side, in the back, ,was completely insistent on condom but for whatever reason I managed to make her feel comfortable with me and the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both). I showed her the outcomes, explained with Google on laptop, etc etc and only then did she agree. But that outcome was completely against all odds. BTW, she is really good at blowjobs, admittedly not something most Thai girls do well. I think her initial attitude was even a covered BJ. It was by some divine providence that I didn't just walk away from her, as I would have done with pretty much every girl given such attitude / views.
I'd never go with flow with any Thai working girl (if no condom is important to you) , your odds are less than 1 in 10. And as I've mentioned, I don't blame the girl (s) one bit, so I never pressure.
the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both).Those tests aren't cheap. I think they are like $40 usd each now.
Mr. Tooms, I would have wagered a fair amount of money on your Thermae "go with flow" outcome and come out the winner.Oh, Catire, I would have bet 5,000 baht from the moment she took my hand in the bar and said she was "very good, I will do good for you, I like you, I want to make you happy" that we were not going to fuck bareback and she probably would not or could not finish a proper BJ this night. LOL. But at that point there was zero money at risk for me, I had nothing better to do, whether or not we had sex was of no serious concern to me and I really did not feel in the mood to talk about much of anything with her. I was fine with taking her at her word that she was going to "make me happy" with, at that point, no money risk from my side of it if she didn't.
Even when it got to the moment in the room where she asked me to Pay Upfront and would not drop it and move on without Pay Upfront (a huge warning flag), a quick calculation in my mind determined that 1,000 baht to spend 30 minutes rolling around naked with this girl, eat her pussy, possibly fuck bareback or at least find out what the inside of her mouth felt like to my dick was a risk worth taking. Hell, I would have spent 1,000 baht bar hopping in 3-4 Nana Plaza bars on just my drinks and tips without buying 1 ladydrink. And I didn't feel like doing that on this night.
One really nice girl I got from there, is an actual "freelancer" and I have only seen her in there that one time that we met. She's not a regular, as are 90% of the girls in there. (certainly on left side). For whatever reason she seemed to really like me and went out of her way to actually approach me / sidle up to me.
I told her could not function with condom, she said ok, but "finish outside'. Deal. That was a very very nice session. She was happy, I was happy. Last time I was in town I called her but she told me she was only free on Thursday night and we didn't touch base again.
The other one, that I have written about (the one quite popular with Japanese, and she's always on left side, in the back, ,was completely insistent on condom but for whatever reason I managed to make her feel comfortable with me and the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both). I showed her the outcomes, explained with Google on laptop, etc etc and only then did she agree. But that outcome was completely against all odds. BTW, she is really good at blowjobs, admittedly not something most Thai girls do well. I think her initial attitude was even a covered BJ. It was by some divine providence that I didn't just walk away from her, as I would have done with pretty much every girl given such attitude / views.
I'd never go with flow with any Thai working girl (if no condom is important to you) , your odds are less than 1 in 10. And as I've mentioned, I don't blame the girl (s) one bit, so I never pressure.Yeah, I am never happy with pulling out. I'd rather save that shot for the next girl, even the next night.
And all that stuff with the HIV test was definitely not what I was in the mood for last night. I wasn't even in the mood to negotiate any behavior or particular service at all. I was fine with letting her do all the "negotiation", fine with taking her at her word that she was very good, was going to be very good to me and wanted to make me happy. LOL. My position in the bar and in my room was, fine, if that happens I will give you 2,500 baht. The only reason I talked about the money upfront in the bar was because she brought it up. If she had also brought up anything about requiring a condom, won't do this or that, can't do this or that etc I would have told her what my requirements or needs are. But she didn't.
Bare in mind, this was a very relaxed, near zero event to me in terms of confrontation, money risk, the gamble I was taking, whatever. Not getting what I would have paid 2,500 baht for but only getting what I might have agreed to pay 1,000 baht for with that girl even if we'd negotiated hard for an hour in the bar to get to that compromise was also fine with me. I had nothing better to do with my time and 1,000 baht last night anyway.
There was something else that happened in Thermae last night that I did not mention in my main report. On the first of those two Asian Customer River cruises I took around the bar, I was seen and nabbed by a cute girl in the back of the room that I DID negotiate everything I wanted with upfront in the bar a few months ago. At that time it was No and No to either one of my two options. So I did not take her. I had completely forgotten about her and for a moment last night wasn't sure why she recognized me until she reminded me we'd met there and talked a while back.
But last night she pulled me close and said "I am ok to do whatever you want now." Unfortunately for her I wasn't inspired to take her last night so I said, "Great. Maybe next time." I had just spent a couple of days with a girl very similar to her type and I wasn't looking for more of the same for now. LOL. So, the concept that whatever I did with a girl here might not go well for me tonight but, no big deal, there is always the next time was also in my mind and made "going with the flow to see what happens in the room" even less of a risk and gamble. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the girl I took last night and walked her out of my apartment with only 1,000 baht instead of 2,500 baht because she did not deliver on her sales pitch flags me over again some night and says, "Yes to whatever you want" at that time. It has turned out that way many times in many different venues. Even in Thermae.
I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.You did the right thing.
Wondering, how much would you have paid after, if not paid 1 k already?
Yeah, I am never happy with pulling out. I'd rather save that shot for the next girl, even the next night.
That's a part of the bargain I have to accept and I do so willingly. Almost any girl that will agree to bareback will only do so if one pulls out.
Which makes perfect sense, considering the possibility of pregnancy (yes, yes I know it's hardly foolproof, etc) and Thai views on abortion (Buddhism will not allow it). Also makes sense from a health standpoint, as likelihood of catching something (particularly as the "receiver") ratchets up with ejaculation inside.
Of course if you're snipped, that changes the calculus and would probably change the calculus for her also, but I think it would be difficult for her to trust you on this meeting for the first time, etc.
one can also fund the purchase of the "morning after" pill, which I believe is widely available in almost every pharmacy, though I'm not sure the girls use these as much as they should.
BkkVistor77
07-27-19, 12:55
Hi all,
Lurker here, thought it was time for report.
I was in BKK last month and will be back again soon for business.
First stop was Snow White Massage on Soi 26. I've been there before, pretty average looking girls, mostly mids 30's and up. I choose a younger looking girl, don't remember her name sorry, and thought she was cute until unfortunately I saw she had braces. I paid for the BJ and Massage one hour service. She took me upstairs, showered me and proceeded to give me an amazing BBBJ, basically one hour of amazing oral work, she was even blowing my mind by sucking my toes and feet while wanking me, really really. Snow White may not have the best looking girls, but they are amazing at what they do.
I also went to Kasalong Blow Job bar, can't remember her name, MILF with a nice looking body, gave me a good BBBJ, a bit too much teeth but still CIM and was pretty damn good, worth the 800 or 900 plus 300 tip Baht. Good and very friendly service.
I also went to Paradise Massage on Soi 22, I choose the 2 girls, blowjob massage. I choose one cute looking younger girl and then the mamasan kinda forced the 2nd one on me, wasn't a great service to be honest. Girls seemed bored and not great at their job. Both girls pretty average looking, and average service, would not repeat.
You did the right thing.
Wondering, how much would you have paid after, if not paid 1 k already?Good question. No doubt, I would have given her 1,000 baht for the time we were together and what we did. If she had been more convincing about following my blissfully simple instructions and trying to give me a competent BJ instead of giving me the niggling impression she was just stalling and goofing around in hopes that I would suddenly become capable of slipping on the open package condom she had hidden nearby somewhere and proceed with a covered FS, I probably would have given her the entire 2,500 baht for her effort even if she still proved to be incapable of doing it competently.
Bottom line, we both were naked and rubbing around on each other, I had my tongue inside and all around her pussy, she had my dick in her mouth, licking my balls, etc. We were together for at least 30 minutes. 1,000 baht. And the door isn't totally closed for her to change her mind the next time she sees me strolling through Thermae. But, if that time ever comes, I will be covering every detail with her in Thermae and assuring her I will not pay her anything at all if she isn't telling me the truth about changing her mind. Nothing. No joke, sweetheart. No 1,000 baht for a repeat of what we did last night.
That's a part of the bargain I have to accept and I do so willingly. Almost any girl that will agree to bareback will only do so if one pulls out.
Which makes perfect sense, considering the possibility of pregnancy (yes, yes I know it's hardly foolproof, etc) and Thai views on abortion (Buddhism will not allow it). Also makes sense from a health standpoint, as likelihood of catching something (particularly as the "receiver") ratchets up with ejaculation inside.
Of course if you're snipped, that changes the calculus and would probably change the calculus for her also, but I think it would be difficult for her to trust you on this meeting for the first time, etc.
one can also fund the purchase of the "morning after" pill, which I believe is widely available in almost every pharmacy, though I'm not sure the girls use these as much as they should.(bold highlight is mine).
I can't say that has been my experience. I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in my life, in Thailand and elsewhere, a girl who agreed to bareback with me said before the deed that I must pull out and not cum inside her. And I would include the times one said afterwards she thought I was going to pull out instead of cum inside her. I have had it said to me during negotiations well before we would have been in the room together, also maybe less than 4-5 times in my life. But I guess I am not counting those girls as "agreeing" to go bareback with me really. Just talking about it at that stage.
(bold highlight is mine).
I can't say that has been my experience. I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in my life, in Thailand and elsewhere, a girl who agreed to bareback with me said before the deed that I must pull out and not cum inside her. And I would include the times one said afterwards she thought I was going to pull out instead of cum inside her. I have had it said to me during negotiations well before we would have been in the room together, also maybe less than 4-5 times in my life. But I guess I am not counting those girls as "agreeing" to go bareback with me really. Just talking about it at that stage.In my case almost all girls agreeing to bareback (I don't really have a very big sample LOL because generally happy with existing girls especially if BBFS), expect me to pull out (reducing chance of pregnancy), so clearly not having the vasecotomy is a critical factor, which I plan to rectify soon. Girls may well have birth control but it is never as reliable as vasectomy.
Thai girls are different to Farangs, because they take Birth control quite unreliably and also do not generally get abortions. So what happens with Farang girls is not very relevant. We all know Thai girls with babies that claimed they were using birth control.
For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.
Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.
Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.
Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.Pa Thai ya and Poo kit, yes?
Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.
Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.
Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.Who the hell ever says "what dee cup" in English? "What the crap" is actually something people say in English and it works. The entire point is to use a phrase that people can remember. It may sound closer to the real term saying what dee cup, but that's not something someone easily identifies with. It's also not as funny to say and get away with. I often get a good laugh when I say what the crap and they think I am saying hello. Cheap humor.
I notice that when Thais who can speak English write the phrase, they put Sawat (or Sawas sometimes) dee krub. Krub? Doesn't sound that way to me though when they say it. Sometimes they put krap.
Also, to say "thank you" in Chinese, you can say "shit shit" quickly without annunciating.
Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.
In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.
So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.
Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.
Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.
Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".
The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.
I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.
But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.
P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.
So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).Catire, Some dudes roll that way. I never have. When I first came to BKK and gals were really plentiful, I would rarely repeat. If I did repeat, it would be at least couple of months if not a few later. I could have a "regular" back home. I never saw the point of it.
I never had the want to "get to know" the P4 P gals I was doing. In 20 years I have never taken the contact information from any of the working gals I've banged. I want to choose, head to the room, have a PSE / GFE, shower, and be on my way. Like riding a roller coaster, "Gee, that was fun; let's go on a different ride. " The "regulars" I've had were oily gals and I would only do each of then once every 6 weeks to two months and that was only because the talent level started to slip. Some of my friends have been the stable of gals types. One guy used to refer to them as his "rotation." Even he eventually saw that dwindle and a few years back said he saw his rotation of many turn into a rotation of 1 and then a rotation of none.
Most of the time after a ST at the PB hotel back in the day, I'd pop up right after the deed (who wants to cuddle, you have to do that crap back home), hit the shower quickly before the gal, give her money, and be on my way, and she could shower and leave at her leisure. Jeez, many times we never even exchanged names and that was fine by me.
In addition, I have a live-in GF of over a decade that I am very fond of and whom I get along with amazingly well, so I don't invest time or a lot of effort in other gals. We don't keep tight reins on each other in the least, but don't think she'd like me having a mia-noi or even a regular.
The online thing takes a lot of time. I really don't have the temperament or patience for it. I know guys that spend hours and hours every week on Thai-Friendly and other sites. I honestly have better things to do with my time.
I've said it a million time on here. The beauty of Thailand was gals were cheap, plentiful, and easy. Minimal effort was required. Bangkok had a wonderful seediness and edge to it. It was rough and unpolished, not so developed. It was not a town full of fancy shopping malls. There was one Starbucks at Amarin Plaza. There were guys on fat expat packages, farang teachers here to bang gals and make a bit of scratch, a few of us early semi-retired dudes, a few random Japanese (most were confined to Soi Thaniya) and pretty much all of us doing chicks (as opposed to today where the majority of young western expats don't engage in P4P). You walked in a venue, walked down Sukhumvit after 9 pm, and gals would grab and proposition you. And it cost peanuts. Eating at the best restaurants in town cost about 25 USD. No one worried about staying long term as visas were easy. Always a lot of options. As long as you did not hurt anyone and did not get involved in drugs, you could stay and have a pretty easy time of it. You could live a five star life on a three star budget and that was the entire point of being here. It was a close to paradise as you could get. It is why we chose Thailand over other places. Sadly, all of that is over.
She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok........................ She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it)....... "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand..............Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that............ "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. ............. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). .................... "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom ....... I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did.................The aforementioned speaks for itself.
Who the hell ever says "what dee cup" in English? You dared to challenge Syzygies?
He has more than 12000 posts and he knows.
What are you thinking Smoothy?
I wasn't particularly horny tonight but had a free night from the current regulars, went out for a walk in the very pleasant weather and thought I'd stop in Thermae around 9:30 PM for a quick soda and look around. The Asian Customer River was flowing pretty thick in the usual circle around the bar about that time. I made two cruises around in the River, got several big smiles and nice comments as I passed both sides and, yes, also a few averted gazes as I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai and got zero response in terms of a smile back or a verbal reply. No biggie. I was mostly there for the soda and people watching.
I planted myself in the middle of the bar, occasionally sipping my soda and realized a well put together girl on the left side kept working it to get my attention. She was sending me a smile and a nod but seemed to be trying to be very careful about not attracting attention from the Asian Customer River cruisers while doing it. Like she stepped back a bit in her position in the left side line up and did her best to keep this little facial communication between the two of us as private as possible. It was kind of cute, actually. Of course, a couple of times I checked behind and around me to make sure it was actually me that she was "talking" to instead of some dude standing behind me. I hate it when I make a funny face and smile back to a girl across the room and it turns out she isn't "talking" to me at all. LOL.
She wasn't what I'd consider among the top 5% best lookers in the bar. But she certainly fit right in on the left side as among the better lookers who are usually on that side. She had all the Left Side Thermae basics in order; young, tallish, light skin, slim, well proportioned, good, even facial features, well quaffed, upscale looking compared to most FLs in the general area.
Ok, I was more or less on my way out anyway so after about 10 minutes of this I walk over to say Hi. Again in a slightly conspiratorial style but loud enough for me to hear, she says her name is Jane, that she really likes me and assures me she is very good and will take good care of me. I had decided a few months ago that I would not take another Left Side Thermae girl unless I had negotiated everything within an inch of all our lives before taking her. But for whatever reason, this time I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok. I was now committed to "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" regarding anything and everything that could possibly provide a finish for me. That is, either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM. It was just a good night to see if there was anyone in Thermae or strolling along the street worth adding to my regulars stable I suppose.
Anyway, the whole time on the short walk to get a taxi and the several minutes we were in the taxi she kept saying how much she likes hansum man, only takes one customer per night, so happy she met me, she will be very good to me, blah, blah, blah.
In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really. "Oh, please, please, please, I need to know I will get money." Again, such a relaxed and pleasant evening. God, but confrontations of this kind are so boring in this country. I just wanted to "go with the flow", eat her pussy and "see what happens" tonight. Ok, sweetheart, here's 1,000 baht for now. I'll give you the rest after we boom boom or you give me a blowjob. "Ok, good. Thank you. I like you. No problem. I will be good for you."
After we each showered, separately at my request since she wanted us to shower together (I am just not into sex in the shower and would rather avoid setting the stage for it), she came out wrapped in a towel and right away started with the condom condom condom talk. I told her well, I can't boom boom with a condom but I have had a vasectomy (said it in Thai) and always get a medical check. She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it), then you can give me a blowjob, ok? Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?
So this is going to be an Oral Sex session. I'm good with that. And, who knows, we're still in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. It could lead to her changing her mind about demanding a condom for boom boom. I've heard that happens a lot out there these days.
It didn't happen this time. She seemed to absolutely love DATY. So many of them do. Faking it? Maybe. But again it was, "Ohhh, you good man. You very good. I like you too much. " Then, "I suck you now. I want to make you happy."
Yep, you guessed it. She was totally incapable of coordinating the mouth and hand movements in the same direction instead of the Taffy Pull move where the hand is moving in one direction and her mouth is going in another. Totally incapable of slowing the goddam hell down. Totally incapable of giving a blowjob really. Or, more likely, totally incapable of wanting to give me a blowjob. After about 6-7 seemingly interminable minutes of trying to show her how to move her hand and mouth in the SAME DIRECTION rather than in opposite directions, asking her as gently as possible to please for the love of god slow down, she pulls out an unwrapped condom from somewhere nearby and says with a smile, "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. "You no want to boom boom?" Oh, I love to boom boom. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). "I have condom. We boom boom ok? I want."
End of session. She showers and gets dressed. She is still so chirpy and happy I am certain she thinks I am going to give her another 1,500 baht to go along with the 1,000 baht I have already given her. But I am not going to do that. Eventually, as I am slipping on my shoes to walk her down to the front door of my apartment building, she says with a smile, "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom and you did not give me a blowjob or take good care of me. I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did (I ate her pussy to what seemed like a pretty damn good finish. Wish I'd been her to feel that.), I will give you more only if we boom boom or you give me a real blowjob the way I told you to give me. Silence. It was such a relief not to hear the word "condom" again. I was tempted to give her a 100 baht tip just for that. But I fought off the temptation and won.
I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. If more punters did, we'd all have a much better time of it. Too many dudes would just pay her the 2500 and she'd continue to hock that poor skill set.
Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. If more punters did, we'd all have a much better time of it. Too many dudes would just pay her the 2500 and she'd continue to hock that poor skill set.Thanks. I believe most punters she has encountered must have been fine with fully covered FS and nothing more. To each his own. And for them, I suppose they wouldn't see anything "poor" about her skill set. If I had been fine with covered FS, I might never have noticed or taken it to a point where her poor skill set was an issue.
But I felt it necessary to start sticking to my guns on this bit where the girl pitches herself with things like, "I am very good, I will be good for you, I will make you happy, agree to pay me 2,500 baht and I will show you." LOL. Great! Nothing more needs to be said, then, right? Count me in for that.
Why is it now on me or any other punter for whom what happens in the room really does matter to negotiate further, to parse every word and syllable, to list, review, compare and contrast every act and move in detail just to make sure her idea of "happy" and "good for you" isn't miles away from what I am sure she hopes I will assume she means? Sure, if she had then said in the bar, "I mean I am good, will be good for you and will make you happy as long as you are happy wearing a condom for fucking and don't want me to do anything else," I would not have agreed to those terms. And I am guessing she knows all but the lowest demand customers would not agree to those terms. But she didn't say that.
Of course, this particular method of sticking to my guns in order to either be "made happy" in the room for the agreed upon amount of money or I will only pay a notably reduced amount for what I did get works best in a FL situation like Thermae. It isn't going to work that well if at all in a venue where it is Pay Upfront. It isn't going to work that well where you have already laid out an 800-1,000+ baht barfine and bought 800 baht worth of ladydrinks for a girl. If I give a girl in a situation like that another 1,000 baht for the same thing I gave the Thermae girl 1,000 baht, now I am out almost 3,000 baht if not more just to DATY and feel the inside of her mouth with my dick for 5 minutes. Not a good plan or a risk worth taking, imo. lol.
Before I commit to taking a girl from a place like that I would generally have to negotiate more details upfront and stick to my guns about not paying her fee in full if she doesn't deliver. Wish I didn't have to do it that way. But these days I do.
Crocodilexp
07-28-19, 07:23
I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok.
In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really.
Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?
Props to you for not giving her all the money in advance. That never works out well.
On the other hand, BBFS is NOT a standard service. IMHO, pressuring a young woman to risk her health (and possibly life) for sake of a few minutes of your pleasure is just plain wrong. If you agree to it in advance, I guess that's fine, but if you don't, you can't expect it. As for the BBBJ, she seems like she had the will, but no skills. She did give you a BBBJ, crappy as it was, and she did not try to back out of the deal, you're the one who finished the session after she refused BBFS.
Personally, I think 1000 baht is more than enough for what you received. However, if you agreed on 2500 baht, I think she acted in good faith (albeit was not a good performer), you broke the deal and stiffed her. The experience will certainly encourage her to insist on money in advance from other punters.
Props to you for not giving her all the money in advance. That never works out well.
On the other hand, BBFS is NOT a standard service. IMHO, pressuring a young woman to risk her health (and possibly life) for sake of a few minutes of your pleasure is just plain wrong. If you agree to it in advance, I guess that's fine, but if you don't, you can't expect it. As for the BBBJ, she seems like she had the will, but no skills. She did give you a BBBJ, crappy as it was, and she did not try to back out of the deal, you're the one who finished the session after she refused BBFS.
Personally, I think 1000 baht is more than enough for what you received. However, if you agreed on 2500 baht, I think she acted in good faith (albeit was not a good performer), you broke the deal and stiffed her. The experience will certainly encourage her to insist on money in advance from other punters. Not surprisingly, I disagree that I broke the deal and stiffed her. In terms of sexual satisfaction, she broke the deal with me. She said she would make me happy for 2,500 baht without asking what that meant to me. As far as I could tell anything and everything I wanted, up to me, was on the menu. She had plenty of time to say otherwise before we left the bar, outside the bar and on the taxi ride to my room. I was willing to forego FS entirely without pressuring her by accepting a conventional option, BBBJ+CIM, which she agreed to do, quite enthusiastically I might add.
Is BBBJ+CIM considered standard service among Thai hookers? I would say the majority of Thai hookers I have met in go-go bars, in the clubs, on the street, etc include BBBJ+CIM on their menu. And, once agreed upon, I submit only half-assed pretending to give a BJ for 6-7 minutes, ignoring or refusing to adjust to some simple motor skill moves to accommodate what works for me and clearly trying to change the subject every other minute would not be defined by most as "good faith" or keeping her side of the deal.
Aside from that particular incident, the girls tell me punters are constantly asking them for BBFS. I have no doubt the girl I took from Thermae has been hit up for it many, many times. I would therefore submit that as long as the girls know that is a service much desired and likely to be asked for by their customers who want to be "made happy", it is 100% on them to start addressing it before or during their sales pitch or else they are playing games with the issue and not presenting their offer to "make you happy" in good faith.
In a world where they know one of if not the most desired and asked for services among their customers is BBFS, Thai hookers who pitch their wares with stuff like, "I will make you happy, no problem, anything, everything, up to you, don't worry", and just leave it at that without clarification and then do NOT offer a means to provide BBFS in the room are not acting in good faith. They are scammers.
I have had several girls say, "Everything, except BUTT SEX!" lol. Good for them. It proves they really do know how to include or exclude anything from their "Everything" sales pitch if it really does matter to them. If they don't also say, "Oh, and must wear condom for boom boom", then I am going to assume those girls aren't all that concerned about it. At the very least, I will conclude they want me to assume the most often requested service (by their own testimony), BBFS, is on the menu.
Let those scammers ask for all the money upfront. Only the suckers will comply and those suckers will get educated pretty fast. The rest of us will either try to help the little lady feel a bit better about proceeding by paying a much smaller amount upfront or (the really smart ones) will refuse to pay them anything at all and boot them out with nothing. Not the worst possible outcome for all concerned, imo.
Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.
Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.
Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.Is it news that foreigners have an accent when saying Thai words and that Thais have an accent when saying foreign words? What's the world coming to? 😂😂😂
You dared to challenge Syzygies?
He has more than 12000 posts and he knows.
What are you thinking Smoothy?People say what D cup to me all the time!
Gents,
TLDR; Farangs not that high in the clientele chain; one action of another could cause disagreeable effects for others; hate barfines; Thermae 2.5 k average price; you should be able to find someone in Bangkok.
Here are some insights based on my recent discussions with some working girls here in Bangkok. Some of you who are pros in the city may agree and are probably aware already; some of you may have differing opinions. This is just my personal observation and Bangkok report based on my recent time here in the city.
Based on my impression from what I gather, the pecking order for how the Thai girls would prefer the ethnicity of their foreign clients are (in order): Japanese, Korean, Westerners (farangs), Chinese / Arabs / Indians; Westerners are unfortunately just slightly better than the Chinese. Strange; considering the majority of tourists here are the Chinese, but I guess these Thai girls still don't see them in good of a light as you would think. And I'm not certain whether or not the Arabs / Indians would fall below or above the Chinese; their issue seems be related to lack of personal hygiene.
Unfortunately, any past negative encounters caused by a certain race of clients causes future repercussions and possible negative assessments for future clients from whatever ethnicity that caused the negative experiences. Just as we (mongerers) have an avenue to 'gossip' online and on these forums, these Thai girls also like to gossip and relay feedback to their friends about their experiences with different types of clients. I hate to get myself stereotyped for possibly being a potentially bad client based on a previously bad experience that someone else (who happens to be of the same ethnicity) has caused on a girl; and now her friends' friends' friends might have the same prejudice. But this is the reality here it would seem; getting prejudged based on other experiences unrelated to you. And something that I learned here in Bangkok is that if the girl quotes you anything more than 3 k, then most likely she is not that interested in going with you.
I've always approached this hobby with a 'caveat emptor'-like mentality. Although I can't control mutual chemistry or a girl's performance (and have encountered several bad experiences in the past in different parts of the world), some things that I can control are my personal attitude and respect towards the girl and choosing someone that physically attracts me. By only choosing attractive girls, I know that I've limited my potential to find more good performers. What I mean is it's in the same way that someone using Tinder swipes right to all photos; they've increased their odds for mutual connection. Whereas I would only swipe right to only girls that I actually find attractive; my odds become less. In the same way with connecting with pros, I'd like to have both attractiveness and good performance. Though based on the great number of pros working in Bangkok, there's definitely potential to find those hidden gems that provide both attractiveness and good performance. So far in Bangkok, I've only had a couple bad experiences. But for those bad experiences, I think I was able to leave a neutral to positive impression for the girl (even though my experience wasn't all that great). There's only so much I can control.
Something that I'm not too fond of here is this gogo barfine system; seems rather pimp-ish to me. I'm coming from the German FKK system of things. And with the FKK way of things, paying an entrance fee to use a facility (sauna, pool, etc.) seems more reasonable. Whereas here, I'm paying some fee that seems ridiculous (at least I feel like it's ridiculous). Maybe if by paying the barfine also meant free alcoholic beverages or something, then I'd probably be okay with it.
Another visit to Thermae gave me a chance to casually talk with some of the girls. Anytime a girl approached me, I would say that I was married and was only there to drink and observe. This allowed some time to have some simple conversations with the girls. 2 k-3 k is what I was being quoted by the girls I talked with and I tried to hit all areas of the room to determine if there were any great pricing gaps. I don't know if getting one of these girls (initially) under 2 k is possible. I think you would have to establish some kind of long-term rapport with the girl and become her regular before that's possible. From what I've seen on the 'Sideline'Finfin' sites, the girls are offering services (to their Thai natives) at an average of 1. 5 k. Also the clientele at Thermae is definitely close to 98 percent Asian. If you're a Farang, I would say that going to Thermae would make you definitely stand out in the crowd and you may be considered lower in the pecking order as an ideal client.
But overall and based on the great number of pros working in Bangkok, there's definitely potential to find those hidden gems here in the city that should meet your expectations.
TC.
Pronunciation lessons in Bangkok thread. Great.
Use a translator as it will phonetically spell it out and likely more accurate than what you'll find here.
Not surprisingly, I disagree that I broke the deal and stiffed her. In terms of sexual satisfaction, she broke the deal with me. She said she would make me happy for 2,500 baht without asking what that meant to me. As far as I could tell anything and everything I wanted, up to me, was on the menu. She had plenty of time to say otherwise before we left the bar, outside the bar and on the taxi ride to my room. I was willing to forego FS entirely without pressuring her by accepting a conventional option, BBBJ+CIM, which she agreed to do, quite enthusiastically I might add.
Is BBBJ+CIM considered standard service among Thai hookers? I would say the majority of Thai hookers I have met in go-go bars, in the clubs, on the street, etc include BBBJ+CIM on their menu. And, once agreed upon, I submit only half-assed pretending to give a BJ for 6-7 minutes, ignoring or refusing to adjust to some simple motor skill moves to accommodate what works for me and clearly trying to change the subject every other minute would not be defined by most as "good faith" or keeping her side of the deal.
Aside from that particular incident, the girls tell me punters are constantly asking them for BBFS. I have no doubt the girl I took from Thermae has been hit up for it many, many times. I would therefore submit that as long as the girls know that is a service much desired and likely to be asked for by their customers who want to be "made happy", it is 100% on them to start addressing it before or during their sales pitch or else they are playing games with the issue and not presenting their offer to "make you happy" in good faith..I have to say of all the posts that I have read through the years yours has been the only one that I thought upsetting enough to register just to answer it. I've been scammed by girls not delivering on what was promised with really shit attitudes, poor service, doing the runners etc but I've just accepted it as a part of life and carried on. That's going with the flow. You learn to be smart by not paying the girls upfront and negotiating quite clearly what they are up for and the consequences if they don't perform. Seeing how you behaved I can understand why girls want upfront payment now.
Completely agree with Mr. Chizzle re "Caveat Emptor". It seems that many people constantly forget this iron law of P4 P, along with YMMV.
Re Mr. Tooms and the discussion with Mr. Croc, I'm sorry Mr. Tooms, though I am in some ways a "fellow traveler", I think you are being at least somewhat disingenuous.
You, more than anyone else should really know that "do everything for you". (a very common line) means "do everything, but you wear a condom and you don't put it in my butt".
(frankly, I actually assume, oral or an attempt at such, a massage, and standard vaginal but covered sex in positions you want) (that's what a typical Thai girl would consider "everything")
Cannot comment on CIM, but I'll take Mr. Tooms word for it.
So, when I hear "make you happy, do everything for you", and all such and related lines I already KNOW that it means covered (sometimes even for oral, so I would immediately check on that) and I know it means no anal.
Many of these girls speak limited English, this is a standard line, they all learn from each other.
I will often playfully raise my eyebrow and say "anything / everything " ???? And then often the qualifications come out and I laugh and say "but I thought you said "everything". And the girls with a sense of humor will chuckle about it as well. Sometimes when so challenged they will nonetheless will repeat "everything", and being the skeptic that I am, I will of course say, "anal"?? and that is immediately shot down. LOL
So please, everyone. When you hear "everything for you, to make you happy", blah blah, it means covered and it means no anal. Or best said. Assume that, and if you want more, then very directly and specifically inquire about "additional service (s)".
And Mr. Tooms knows this is true, I am merely an occasional visitor and it did not take me long to learn this. He knows better.
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Pronunciation lessons in Bangkok thread. Great.
Use a translator as it will phonetically spell it out and likely more accurate than what you'll find here.Who said we were going for phoneticall precision? "So what the crap" works when it's said quickly and without much annunciation. I think that's awesome. I don't say it like that in the office, but at bars I do.
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Re Mr. Tooms and the discussion with Mr. Croc, I'm sorry Mr. Tooms, though I am in some ways a "fellow traveler", I think you are being at least somewhat disingenuous.
You, more than anyone else should really know that "do everything for you". (a very common line) means "do everything, but you wear a condom and you don't put it in my butt".
(frankly, I actually assume, oral or an attempt at such, a massage, and standard vaginal but covered sex in positions you want) (that's what a typical Thai girl would consider "everything")
Cannot comment on CIM, but I'll take Mr. Tooms word for it.
So, when I hear "make you happy, do everything for you", and all such and related lines I already KNOW that it means covered (sometimes even for oral, so I would immediately check on that) and I know it means no anal.
Many of these girls speak limited English, this is a standard line, they all learn from each other.
I will often playfully raise my eyebrow and say "anything / everything " ???? And then often the qualifications come out and I laugh and say "but I thought you said "everything". And the girls with a sense of humor will chuckle about it as well. Sometimes when so challenged they will nonetheless will repeat "everything", and being the skeptic that I am, I will of course say, "anal"?? and that is immediately shot down. LOL
So please, everyone. When you hear "everything for you, to make you happy", blah blah, it means covered and it means no anal. Or best said. Assume that, and if you want more, then very directly and specifically inquire about "additional service (s)".
And Mr. Tooms knows this is true, I am merely an occasional visitor and it did not take me long to learn this. He knows better.Sorry, Catire, but I do not agree with that at all. Sure, I have playfully engaged in the "Everything?" exchange with the girls, too, and many times I have still heard no mention of condom. I suppose we could devote an entire thread to what, subjectively in each and every case, is taken by some mongers and hookers as "standard service" in Thailand.
These girls know very well the little scam they hope they are pulling when they pitch themselves as giving you "Everything" for the money in order to get you to take them and then start laying out rules in the room, especially with regard to condom or no condom. Which, as I said, the girls will tell you is one of if not the most often requested service.
How do I know the girls know they are pulling a little scam with that "Everything, up to you" bit? It is right there in my initial report, although I can understand why many might miss it because I did not highlight the point.
The girls always give away a "tell" as big as a city bus that they know they tried to pull a little scam. I have done what I described in that report several times over the years and in every case the "tell" is the same. And here it is; Not one time did the girl make the argument or even allude to the argument that the reason I should give her more money, the full 2,500 baht agreed upon, is because I had told her that is what I would pay her in the bar. Not once. Instead, the only argument she had for me giving her more than the 1,000 baht I had already given her was "for taxi" (which happens even when we give them every baht that was agreed upon) and simply because she needed more money.
In other words, as she continued to ask me for more money on the way down the soi afterwards, she was really only asking me to give her a "gift" of more money, not to pay "what you said" in the bar. She knew very well what she'd hoped I would infer by her "Everything" pitch. Not once did she make that other point or even vaguely allude to it. As has been the case with all of the others who pulled that little scam and got a reduced payment for it, she never expressed even the least bit of anger, never raised her voice, not even the slightest emotional outburst about my not paying the full amount I agreed to pay her to "make me happy". She got busted on her scam, that's all. And she knew it. Her problem was I held her to what she knew I would think I was buying when she "sold" that idea to me in the bar. And she was fully aware that was her problem.
When we get scammed by the girls in the bars who ask for a Ladydrink and then order a non-existent "coke and tequila" cocktail, but it turns out they just ordered two Ladydinks for themselves, we have the right, some might say a duty, to protest and demand the amount be adjusted downward when the bill is handed to us afterwards, correct? I have done that. I know others have as well. Again, in NO case has the girl who pulled that scam dared to "act dumb" about it and try to make a passionate case that, "Hey, mister! You SAID you'd buy me drink!! Why you not pay all?" LOL. Of course not. Because they know they are the ones who pulled a scam, not the customer, not me. The customer is not acting in "bad faith" or stiffing the girl or the bar by getting that bill amount adjusted downward after that little scam has been pulled on him. And everyone involved knows it.
The "Everything, up to you, I will make you happy" bit is no different. Some of you nice fellows are way under estimating these Thai hookers' understanding of the word games they play in order to bait and switch or otherwise scam a customer into paying more and getting less. Many times it is done by them only for sport, not even for desperate need for money, btw.
I have to say of all the posts that I have read through the years yours has been the only one that I thought upsetting enough to register just to answer it. I've been scammed by girls not delivering on what was promised with really shit attitudes, poor service, doing the runners etc but I've just accepted it as a part of life and carried on. That's going with the flow. You learn to be smart by not paying the girls upfront and negotiating quite clearly what they are up for and the consequences if they don't perform. Seeing how you behaved I can understand why girls want upfront payment now.Not only wanting full upfront payment but providing bad service to farangs. A scammed girl will tell her friends who will tell others. Who knows in the future there may be many more ISG reports of poor service by Thai hookers and longing for the good old days.
Exactly. These guys who enjoy DATY (licking another guy's cum out of a girl's pussy) and DFK (licking another guy's cum out of a girl's mouth) with prostitutes have a different mindset.A quick shower and she might as well be a virgin. For me, sex is about the entire experience. DFK, DATY, rimming the gal, etc, are all part of the experience. I enjoy all of them, just as much as I enjoy them being done to me. Sometimes it is nice to lay back and get "serviced," but for me that is not often. I like taking the lead and directing the session.
And Mr. Tooms knows this is true, I am merely an occasional visitor and it did not take me long to learn this. He knows better.When reading Tooms post, what stands out to me is that he was ok with a BBBJCIM as "everything. " And he was even patient and tried to actually communicate and show the gal what he wanted. She still didn't get it. I think he was well within to do what he did. And he was quite clear about it from the start. I'll take the opposite view of some on this thread. If we all demanded better performance and were willing to walk and pay less than agreed upon if we didn't get it, then we be getting better service overall. The gals are going to try to get away with providing as little as possible, especially FLs. I pretty much stopped taking FLs quite some time ago as I had a string of non-performers, and yes I make it known what I expect up front. I tell them in Thai, I expect you to f#ck me the way you f#ck your gig / BF or like we are in a "sex movie. ".
I have to say of all the posts that I have read through the years yours has been the only one that I thought upsetting enough to register just to answer it. I've been scammed by girls not delivering on what was promised with really shit attitudes, poor service, doing the runners etc but I've just accepted it as a part of life and carried on. That's going with the flow. You learn to be smart by not paying the girls upfront and negotiating quite clearly what they are up for and the consequences if they don't perform. Seeing how you behaved I can understand why girls want upfront payment now.And based on your kind of go with the flow behavior, I can understand why girls feel comfortable doling out shitty service for serious (by Thai standards) money now. But I fully agree with your concept of being smart and not paying the girls upfront. There is nothing stopping you and others from continuing with that smart principle when the girl asks for the money upfront. Even if ALL the girls started asking for the money upfront. Asking ain't getting.
In my case with the Thermae girl, I only paid upfront an amount I would have been comfortable paying her even if things turned out the way they did anyway. Experience has told me there would be DATY, which I do enjoy, she'd get naked and there would be at least a few minutes of seeing what the inside of her mouth felt like on my dick. Ok, I was willing to pay 1,000 baht for that since we were already in my room. Otherwise, a request by the girl to Pay Upfront is virtually always a warning sign of trouble ahead. As it was in this case as well. The warning is that girl is setting the stage to deliver shitty service, not that the poor dear has been ripped off or cheated by too many evil customers.
That Thermae girl now knows there are some customers who actually will expect her to deliver on her sales pitch in the bar for the full amount agreed upon. I hope I am not the first and only customer willing to help her learn such a thing these days.
When reading Tooms post, what stands out to me is that he was ok with a BBBJCIM as "everything. " And he was even patient and tried to actually communicate and show the gal what he wanted. She still didn't get it. I think he was well within to do what he did. And he was quite clear about it from the start. I'll take the opposite view of some on this thread. If we all demanded better performance and were willing to walk and pay less than agreed upon if we didn't get it, then we be getting better service overall. The gals are going to try to get away with providing as little as possible, especially FLs. I pretty much stopped taking FLs quite some time ago as I had a string of non-performers, and yes I make it known what I expect up front. I tell them in Thai, I expect you to f#ck me the way you f#ck your gig / BF or like we are in a "sex movie. ".You are quite right, Goatscrot. However, I might be one of the rare (?) customers for whom a BBBJ+CIM is practically equal in importance as BBFS+CIP. So it was and is fairly easy for me not to feel fully ripped off by a girl who pulls a bait and switch regarding her strong implication that BBFS+CIP is on the menu if I take her. Not as long as she is still willing to deliver on a competent BBBJ+CIM. But I understand many other customers have no interest whatsoever in a finished BJ and it is all about FS.
In this particular case, the Thermae girl knew when she enthusiastically agreed to "make me happy" with a BBBJ+CIM that she had no intention of taking it anywhere beyond 6-7 minutes of a pretend-clumsy attempt while continually trying to get me back on track for what would make her happy instead of me. She never once brought that up as a reason I should give her more than the 1,000 baht I had already given her either. "But I DO for you!" Nope. She never mentioned anything like it later. Because she knew she didn't even try to DO for me. lol.
BTW, on your "I expect you to f#ck me the way you f#ck your gig / BF or like we are in a "sex movie."" approach, I can tell you that when I have simplified my negotiation with a girl down to something like that, i.e. "What do I want? I want to have sex with you like a real boyfriend and girlfriend have sex together", almost without exception the girl immediately knows that means No Condom, will say so and will either agree to or reject the offer on that basis.
That is how well versed and understanding Thai hookers are of the pertinent words and the meaning of them in this business. And it is further evidence for how often they get asked for BBFS, which they are only too happy to play their own word games with when they pitch the "Everything, up to you, I will make you happy" bit.
A quick shower and she might as well be a virgin. For me, sex is about the entire experience. DFK, DATY, rimming the gal, etc, are all part of the experience. I enjoy all of them, just as much as I enjoy them being done to me. Sometimes it is nice to lay back and get "serviced," but for me that is not often. I like taking the lead and directing the session.Yeah, I just don't dwell on what the girl did with her mouth or pussy before seeing me. Since her previous customer finished and before having sex with me, she will be taking at least TWO showers and probably shoveled a spoonful or more of somtam in her mouth thanks to that previous customer's money. Which is enough to kill any living organism in there other than the girl herself.
I assume guys who like and engage in Anal sex are not dwelling too much on the fact that a big brown turd just passed through that orifice possibly less than 15-20 minutes prior. The guys who are into and engaging in insertive Anal sex, I mean.
Sorry, Catire, but I do not agree with that at all. Sure, I have playfully engaged in the "Everything?" exchange with the girls, too, and many times I have still heard no mention of condom. I suppose we could devote an entire thread to what, subjectively in each and every case, is taken by some mongers and hookers as "standard service" in Thailand.
These girls know very well the little scam they hope they are pulling when they pitch themselves as giving you "Everything" for the money in order to get you to take them and then start laying out rules in the room, especially with regard to condom or no condom. Which, as I said, the girls will tell you is one of if not the most often requested service.
How do I know the girls know they are pulling a little scam with that "Everything, up to you" bit? It is right there in my initial report, although I can understand why many might miss it because I did not highlight the point.
The girls always give away a "tell" as big as a city bus that they know they tried to pull a little scam. I have done what I described in that report several times over the years and in every case the "tell" is the same. And here it is; Not one time did the girl make the argument or even allude to the argument that the reason I should give her more money, the full 2,500 baht agreed upon, is because I had told her that is what I would pay her in the bar. Not once. Instead, the only argument she had for me giving her more than the 1,000 baht I had already given her was "for taxi" (which happens even when we give them every baht that was agreed upon) and simply because she needed more money.
In other words, as she continued to ask me for more money on the way down the soi afterwards, she was really only asking me to give her a "gift" of more money, not to pay "what you said" in the bar. She knew very well what she'd hoped I would infer by her "Everything" pitch. Not once did she make that other point or even vaguely allude to it. As has been the case with all of the others who pulled that little scam and got a reduced payment for it, she never expressed even the least bit of anger, never raised her voice, not even the slightest emotional outburst about my not paying the full amount I agreed to pay her to "make me happy". She got busted on her scam, that's all. And she knew it. Her problem was I held her to what she knew I would think I was buying when she "sold" that idea to me in the bar..Sorry; I normally wouldn't interject on something like this, but I think some people might be confused on why you would have gone with this girl in the first place based on your great intuition of spotting scammers.
It's a little bit hard to follow some of your logic, and I actually LOL'd through some of your reasoning only because you seem like an intelligent fellow, but yet you provide some nutty details about your encounter.
This is what I gather from your initial post:
You decided to 'test' the waters of Thermae to see if you might be able to add another girl to your stable of regulars.
You found a girl that met your required attractive qualities and you felt there was some mutual attraction based on some non-verbal exchanges.
For that particular night, you decided to ignore your own prerequisite (to negotiate everything beforehand with girls on the 'Left-side); you ignored your own requirement ('for whatever reason'.
You only negotiated pricing for 2500 Baht.
In your own mind, your expectation was a for BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM finish. However, you failed and did not relay this expectation and requirement of a finish to the girl. Unless your expectation was also for a girl who had special abilities to read minds, then this expectation was in your own head.
You two negotiated for when full payment will be made; after your session is complete.
Some more of your own personal expectation was to "go with the flow, eat her pussy and see what happens tonight. " The girl, again, is unaware of this expectation from your side.
You provide an initial payment of 1000 baht as gesture of good faith; the rest after sex or BJ.
After showering, she relayed and insisted to you that the sex will be with condom. You agreed to this stipulation; "She said, 'Oh no, can only boom boom with condom. ' I said no problem (and really meant it)".
Additionally, you both agreed to BJ without condom.
In your own mind, you've set your own expectation for this session to be an oral-only session. Again, you did not relay this to the girl. Based on hope, you hoped that possibly the girl would relent and change her mind regarding the condom requirement.
Mutual oral was performed.
Her oral performance was not to your expectation and satisfaction.
As she had expected -because it wasn't vocalized and relayed exactly what your changed expectation for the night was (an oral-only session) -, she of course proceeded to move to the next stage of the session; sex with condom.
You had previously agreed to her stipulation of condom-use, but now you decide again to reiterate your incapability to perform sex with a condom.
You two go back and forth about the condom issue; for the obvious reason that good communication for the night's expectation was not relayed beforehand (before agreeing to go with the girl at Thermae and also when negotiating the condom-use after the shower).
You unilaterally decide to end the session.
Naturally since you both agreed to the meeting (at Thermae) for 2500 baht, she requested the remaining payment.
You declined to pay the remaining payment based on "Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom and you did not give me a blowjob or take good care of me. "; sex was declined from your side; BJ was performed.
Strangely, you decide to negotiate terms again by communicating "only if we boom boom or you give me a real blowjob the way I told you to give me"; you already declined sex with a condom (assuming now this is negotiating for BBFS); and you never fully defined to her your real BJ expectation before negotiating price.
The rest doesn't really matter.
If there is any misinterpretation of that night that I'm not reading correctly from that initial post, please let me know.
If your expectation was also to 'teach a lesson' to this girl in hopes of curbing her future performance for other punters, then I'd wager that the change in her behavior and performance will most likely not occur. You have zero influence over this stranger that you just met. It's highly doubtful that after her experience with you that she's come to the conclusion that "I need to ensure that all expectations are met for my clients". If she's truly a bad performer, she will most likely continue to be a bad performer. Of course her performance for you may have been bad, her performance for others may be considered good; YMMV.
Your continued argument that you were in the right on this matter seems to lie in this statement of "I was now committed to 'go with the flow and see what happens in the room' regarding anything and everything that could possibly provide a finish for me. That is, either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM."
Again, did the girl know then and there (at Thermae) that you wanted BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM?
Just based on what you wrote from your initial post, I would conclude that you scammed her out of the remaining 1500 baht.
And this "tell" thing about the girl not asking for the full 1500 baht is a bit silly too. It's not enough that she asked for the remaining payment (of 1500 baht), but she also has to include the reason that she is requesting the remaining payment "because I had told her that is what I would pay her in the bar. " I mean you just confirmed that 2500 baht was what you both agreed upon. And now you're not going to pay her the remaining payment because of her failure to provide the specific reason; therefore, she was signaling this "tell" and scamming you.
Brilliant.
TC.
The "Everything, up to you, I will make you happy" bit is no different. Some of you nice fellows are way under estimating these Thai hookers' understanding of the word games they play in order to bait and switch or otherwise scam a customer into paying more and getting less. Many times it is done by them only for sport, not even for desperate need for money, btw.Though I agree with you to a certain extent. I think I'll just choose to say we'll agree to disagree.
When I see an obvious scammer, I disengage myself almost immediately. (and I think my nose has developed a pretty good "scent" for this)
And I also choose, purposefully, to understand that even though it's P4 P and on a very basic level it's an "economic transaction" . Where truth in marketing is important, etc. There is also a "human", for lack of a better word. Or "personal" element to it.
Yes, this burns me sometimes, but it comes with the territory. Generally speaking though, it tends to work to my benefit because combined with my natural approach to look for the less experienced girls, it tends to be rare for me to get a "ripped off" experience with a girl. Sometimes, I am even surprised / blessed to get "special treatment" from a pro.
When I half joked with my Japanese popular Thermae girl in bed about something she was doing or not doing (I don't remember specifics) I do remember her response. If this wasn't you, I wouldn't be doing it (or for this length of time) etc etc.
Let's not forget 1000 baht is still a lot of money.
Let's not forget 1000 baht is still a lot of money.For a tip, I agree. For full sex, it's quite cheap these days anywhere in the world.
For a tip, I agree. For full sex, it's quite cheap these days anywhere in the world.In 1991 it was a lot, I guess. Hotel was sometimes cheaper than that. Girls were cheaper too.
Now BF in a bar can be 1000 for the "models". Girls with bad figure still 700. Some MPS now take 1 K or more from the total fee, Annies always took more than that. I suppose at least the MPs supply a room.
Can still get a 1 K fuck on Soi 4 but the quality of the girl will be Shite most likely. I have a great girl on Soi 4, but pay her more than 1 K in order to get a superior GFE and extra time beyond 1 Hour. Many Soi 4 girls are trying to do only 30 minutes.
Recent night, my girl was not there. Saw Pin was there just past Hooters a bit. Previously sessioned with her at Boss Massage maybe 2 years ago. Goat gave her a thumbs up but ET gave her a big thumbs down. So decided to make the control sample. The stunning deaf girl was not to be found.
Often girls do not seem as good, the 2nd time, although some improve vastly. So which was it to be? Pin has a reasonable body, but I hate the sillies. They are not a great subtle job really. Her nose has a bit the wrong curve, and ass and waist to thigh curve is so-so. Overall looks I give her a 6 and a half, but she is still better looking than most girls on the Soi. My usual Soi 4 girl is about 7 and half, but almost no tits.
Pin is kissing a bit, but she does not really get into it. Minimal tongue involved. Does not get into sex to extent of wanting to cum, so GFE-wise, she is not fully there. Her pussy is very small (no baby) and very pretty, tiny clit hard to stay on it during DATY. This does not really suit me well as full penetration was difficult. Dick is not fully in in most positions. I head to check if she had a sponge restricting penetration, but no, nothing like that. Just extra tight beyond the uterus. Possibly BBFS would help a lot.
BBBJ is so so. She likes to use her hand as well, and I like the hand to tickle balls only. The only really good working position for getting enough penetration was doggy.
My conclusion is Pin will suit guys who like a tight pussy and don't mind sillies and hand action on the dick. Her price was 1. 5 K. For me, she is not really suited, although was good enough the first time. No more repeats for me. I am just a too difficult customer. I would rather pay more but get more too as with my normal Soi 4 girl. I only found the one girl on Soi 4 that is good enough for me in recent years. It is not easy.
In general with mongering, finding a girl I want to repeat gets harder and harder. My regulars continue to dwindle down. My regular Laos girl is fabulous for GFE (with zero English) but absent from Bangkok again.
For a tip, I agree. For full sex, it's quite cheap these days anywhere in the world.He did not finish. What he is doing is not even considered as sex according to a US president.
I think the girl should have paid him instead. ET provided better service.
For some of you, seeing the title, you won't bother to read any further. Ha Ha. However I do have an experience to report.
My theory had been recently, that I need to select girls with a lot of experience with Farangs, and preferring Farangs. Too many crap experiences with timid scared girls, or girls who just prefer East Asian type guys.
Recent night walked on the Cowboy. Thought I was out side the LB bar Cockatoo and had a double take. One girl was just far too good looking and did not look like a LB in the slightest. Suddenly realised I had reached Rio, not the LB bar and was relieved that she was indeed a real girl. So yes there are some stunning girls on the cowboy, but whether they are available for a good price is another thing. This one was a Coyote and being in an Arab bar probably officially not available for a fuck.
Moved on. Had not been in Suzie Wong for a very long time, so decided to go for a quick look. The previous crazy mamasan with Mohawk hair is gone. Suzie Wong is somewhat returned to its old style, so it has not become a Bacarra clone at all. They have nude girls dancing, but they are non model types. I would not select any of them. None slim enough and some had sillies as well. Then they have models dancing in bikini (BF 1000). The costumes don't hide that much although No. 19 was exceptionally skinny (bag ofbones) and tits covered to the extent that had no clue what her tits were like (Yao serving staff tells me customers make good reports about that super skinny one). Sillies or padding?
I still know some non dancing staff (Yao, Aor, Tukata). Probably knew Yao since about 2004.
The one pretty "model" No. 405 was making eyes at me and dancing somewhat provocatively. I decided to meet her with no intention to BF that evening. Name was Kan (sound exactly like Gun rather than more usual Garn). Small natural tits and cute nose. Great curves but slim. Best of all her face is quite pretty for me. Turns out that Kan is very keen indeed and really doing her best to get me. She says her tits are small but not her pussy (some padding ha ha). I am allowed to touch her pussy and gives me some full on tongue kissing. I was skeptical at first since she is a newbie (of 6 weeks), and claims to have had only one Barfine before (probably due to her very low English ability). Previously was a book keeping office worker at a factory but not enough money to support her child and mother.
In the end I could not resist despite the 1 K barfine. In the bedroom she was trying hard to please. I was even surprised how good her BBBJ was (she could do soft and slow) considering her inexperience (supposedly). Her pussy was perfect for me, what a relief. Had a good long session well over an hour.
Hopefully my 2nd try will be as good as the first or better, so yes, definitely on the repeat list. Did not really find any faults. She did not complain about anything. I did not ask for anal. Ha ha. Has a tat or two. No big deal. Her weakness for many guys will be severe lack of English and possible the small tits. Did not notice baby damage although tits could have shrunk and maybe sagged very slightly. Age 22. Height about 160. Weight I would guess at 45 Kg, maybe slightly more.
So my new theory. Very inexperienced girls with very low English can be trying very hard to please, because they don't have many customers. They can be very eager and not hardened hookers. At least she was very keen to do an old Farang. Probably will be looking for a sponser one day, but hampered by needing to learn some English. Fabulous girls in the bar usually don't last long. Maybe she is not quite fabulous.
My regular Laos girl (from elsewhere) is quite similar in height, good looks, zero English, everything really, except more shy. Again, if she had good English, she might have lots of guys keen on her. So this type of girl who gets into the sex big time, or seems to, can suit me, even if not experienced. Most of my regular girls have had a baby. They seem to suit me better, but only if damage is minor. Only had one really regular girl in recent years with no baby. So never can understand guys that refuse to do a girl with a baby. It has to depend on the damage. Sure I don't like belly with train tracks or sag bag tits. Maybe guys are looking for tiny tight pussy where I am looking for more normal size.
I have to say of all the posts that I have read through the years yours has been the only one that I thought upsetting enough to register just to answer it. I've been scammed by girls not delivering on what was promised with really shit attitudes, poor service, doing the runners etc but I've just accepted it as a part of life and carried on. That's going with the flow. You learn to be smart by not paying the girls upfront and negotiating quite clearly what they are up for and the consequences if they don't perform. Seeing how you behaved I can understand why girls want upfront payment now.Maybe I read the post wrong. I read that it is the girl unable to perform.
I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I.
When reading Tooms post, what stands out to me is that he was ok with a BBBJCIM as "everything. " And he was even patient and tried to actually communicate and show the gal what he wanted. She still didn't get it. I think he was well within to do what he did. And he was quite clear about it from the start. .This point I shall concede. You and Mr. Tooms are correct on this front. I will choose to however, agree to disagree about the general "everything, up to you" wording and what it really entails (or should entail).
so just to share some info..
here's what I was forwarded after I matched some girl on Tinder (if I remember correctly) She gave me her LINE and sent me this
pics of herself (cannot post here without her permission, that's just how I roll, sorry) but I can assure you she was quite attractive - and the body indeed amazing/athletic.
"... hey babe, u ok? in bkk where you stay? Me I am near BTS NANA. My age 25 I am from Lao, I am realy lady NOT LADYBOY.
no hair on pussy, clean clean clean no STD, No baby before. body fit 155 cm 46 kilos 85B
I can do body body oil massage, me full naked on your body then I suck your cock without condom then make love
footjob, facesitting, cum in mouth possible. can kiss, deep french kiss, u can lick my pussy I like it. I'm very good rim job and prostrate massage
cannot host and no anal
short time 2000, 1 shot 2 shots 2500 full night 6000 12 hours no limit sex all night."
Mr. Tooms, if you are interested, send me a PM
Exactly. These guys who enjoy DATY (licking another guy's cum out of a girl's pussy) and DFK (licking another guy's cum out of a girl's mouth) with prostitutes have a different mindset.You have too much imagination. It's all in your head. Most of "my girls" don't do CIP or CIM normally anyway. If they are not keen on those, certainly they would want to clean thoroughly. They are also knowing how to clean themselves properly unlike my ex wife. I did not want to do DATY on her. Just not clean.
If you are really scared of such things, surely you don't want your dick in there either, uncovered? No second slops for you. Ha ha.
Anyone who goes to a BJ shop, has to assume that girls know how to clean very thoroughly. Otherwise they would get no business at all.
Likewise girls have to be very concerned about where the guy has been and is he keeping himself very well cleaned.
In 1991 it was a lot, I guess.I guess the hourly wage for a 7/11 clerk in BKK is around 100 bart, that is the reason I said its a lot.
Many of these girls got better and newer phone than me. They do this because it is easy money, not because they are poor or have a family to feed. Some may think they have a hard life, but I start to think they actually have a very good life when I see their posts on facebook. If you look at the girls in Tijuana, or South America, many have kids because it is quite common to see baby damage, that is a totally different story.
Is it news that foreigners have an accent when saying Thai words and that Thais have an accent when saying foreign words? What's the world coming to? Spot on. I often cannot understand Thais trying to use English words with me. I am not that flexible. I ask them to speak Thai instead. It's more than an accent problem, it comes to pronouncing wrongly. The reverse happens also when we pronounce badly, however Thais get used to very common mispronounced words, and Pattaya would be a great example. However when I mispronounce badly enough on less common words, Thais don't understand also. People can't really adapt to excessively strange words.
So I give clues on how to get closer to Thai pronunciation, for any interested. Many would not know that correct vowel sounds are critical in Thai, unlike in English.
A Japanese tourist was asking for a new film for his camera in a rural store in a Farang country. The store person could not understand him at all, and he could not understand what she said either. Yet they both spoke English, and I could understand both of them just fine, as was merely a difference of accents. I could repeat in English for both parties so that they did understand. My accent was obviously more normal than both parties.
Use a translator as it will phonetically spell it out and likely more accurate than what you'll find here.Partly right. I don't think you really know this subject, if you think pronouncing Thai is not going to be difficult. 6 months regular study is needed for mere mortals.
Translators do not do a good job at all for Thai. The international standard set of phonetic symbols is not well know to most people and contains many sounds that are not English sounds. There is no way to make some Thai sounds in English letters totally correctly, and can't convey tones easily. Various dictionaries do their best, but have to introduce some non English symbols. Some are really good like the Paiboon Talking Thai-English Dictionary. We can only try to approximate, and many approximations are not so good.
Hi all,
Lurker here, thought it was time for report.
I was in BKK last month and will be back again soon for business.
First stop was Snow White Massage on Soi 26. I've been there before, pretty average looking girls, mostly mids 30's and up. I choose a younger looking girl, don't remember her name sorry, and thought she was cute until unfortunately I saw she had braces. I paid for the BJ and Massage one hour service. She took me upstairs, showered me and proceeded to give me an amazing BBBJ, basically one hour of amazing oral work, she was even blowing my mind by sucking my toes and feet while wanking me, really really. Snow White may not have the best looking girls, but they are amazing at what they do.
I also went to Kasalong Blow Job bar, can't remember her name, MILF with a nice looking body, gave me a good BBBJ, a bit too much teeth but still CIM and was pretty damn good, worth the 800 or 900 plus 300 tip Baht. Good and very friendly service.How depressing. Next time lurk a little harder and pick reviewed girls who don't give shitty service.
Franciscass
07-29-19, 09:29
I guess the hourly wage for a 7/11 clerk in BKK is around 100 bart, that is the reason I said its a lot.
Many of these girls got better and newer phone than me. They do this because it is easy money, not because they are poor or have a family to feed. Some may think they have a hard life, but I start to think they actually have a very good life when I see their posts on facebook. If you look at the girls in Tijuana, or South America, many have kids because it is quite common to see baby damage, that is a totally different story.You guess wrong, daily minimum wage in Thailand is 300 per 8 hour day, make that in practice closer to 400 in Bangkok and that is usually for high school finishers, If you end up washing dishes in the kitchen its materially less.
I have little or no doubt that most girls or lads anywhere in the world would not join the P4P biz if there were real options and alternatives to earning a reasonable living wage to meet their needs. All you have to do is read their stories or talk to them to know this. Profiles projecting them as being lazy, looking for an easy way to having their I Phones and designer clothes as a generality is not the reality of their lives and in my opinion reflects a misguided misogynist prospective.
For a tip, I agree. For full sex, it's quite cheap these days anywhere in the world.Even though that particular girl in my report fit just fine on the Left Side of the Thermae line up, she would not have been wildly out of place standing in front of Hooters on Soi 4 either. In which case, her original asking price for the whole ST would likely have been no more than 1,500 baht.
I realize much of the discussion regarding that report was regarding whether or not my 1,000 baht reduced payment was fair relative to what I had said I would pay her in the bar to "make me happy" and the BBFS+CIP issue. However, if I had started my report by saying I met the girl standing on Soi 4 instead of on the Left Side of Thermae and with the same deal regarding the negotiated 2,500 baht fee and my reduced payment of 1,000 baht, I wonder if the hot button issue of discussion would have been more like, "WTF?! You agreed to pay that Soi 4 girl 2,500 BAHT?! And then you supposedly penalized her for only letting you expertly eat her pussy while she just incompetently sucked your dick for a few annoying minutes to no finish whatever by still giving her 1,000 baht? For the love of god tell us you didn't. You're ruining the market!" LOL.
Nounce is correct, imo. 1,000 baht is still a lot of money in Thailand. And for what happened in that room it was a fabulous gift. No wonder she didn't seem to be particularly ticked off about it. Even lovingly held my hand on the walk down my soi to get a taxi afterwards.
Franciscass
07-29-19, 14:41
"... hey babe, u ok? in bkk where you stay? Me I am near BTS NANA. My age 25 I am from Lao, I am realy lady NOT LADYBOY.
no hair on pussy, clean clean clean no STD, No baby before. body fit 155 cm 46 kilos 85B
I can do body body oil massage, me full naked on your body then I suck your cock without condom then make love
footjob, facesitting, cum in mouth possible. can kiss, deep french kiss, u can lick my pussy I like it. I'm very good rim job and prostrate massage
cannot host and no anal
short time 2000, 1 shot 2 shots 2500 full night 6000 12 hours no limit sex all night."
Mr. Tooms, if you are interested, send me a PMLove it, amazing promo but most likely not written by any 25 year old Lao lady which raises the question who did write it.
This point I shall concede. You and Mr. Tooms are correct on this front. I will choose to however, agree to disagree about the general "everything, up to you" wording and what it really entails (or should entail).
so just to share some info..
here's what I was forwarded after I matched some girl on Tinder (if I remember correctly) She gave me her LINE and sent me this
pics of herself (cannot post here without her permission, that's just how I roll, sorry) but I can assure you she was quite attractive - and the body indeed amazing/athletic.
"... hey babe, u ok? in bkk where you stay? Me I am near BTS NANA. My age 25 I am from Lao, I am realy lady NOT LADYBOY.
no hair on pussy, clean clean clean no STD, No baby before. body fit 155 cm 46 kilos 85B
I can do body body oil massage, me full naked on your body then I suck your cock without condom then make love
footjob, facesitting, cum in mouth possible. can kiss, deep french kiss, u can lick my pussy I like it. I'm very good rim job and prostrate massage
cannot host and no anal
short time 2000, 1 shot 2 shots 2500 full night 6000 12 hours no limit sex all night."
Mr. Tooms, if you are interested, send me a PMLOL. Mixed messages there. First she assures you she is "clean clean clean no STD", which would not be so important a point to stress if she expects you to wear a condom for FS. But then she only mentions sucking your cock "without condom", which could imply that is the only act she is willing to do for you without a condom.
Actually, she sounds familiar, very much like a girl I met through Tinder and sessioned with twice. Especially her use of the word "babe" and her stated rates. By any chance do her photos feature her wearing a thong bikini, her body turned away from the camera, face looking back and with her fantastic ass pointing at the lens?
I guess the hourly wage for a 7/11 clerk in BKK is around 100 bart, that is the reason I said its a lot.
Many of these girls got better and newer phone than me. They do this because it is easy money, not because they are poor or have a family to feed. Some may think they have a hard life, but I start to think they actually have a very good life when I see their posts on facebook. If you look at the girls in Tijuana, or South America, many have kids because it is quite common to see baby damage, that is a totally different story.That is so true. I have a FL in my stable who I met on one of the dating sites. I see her every few weeks. Whenever she is in Bangkok, she calls me on Line and comes over. If I am free. When she is NOT in Bangkok, I see on her Line Timeline that she is always staying at the most amazing beach side resorts in the fucking world, laying around poolside in her bikini, big, wide brim sun hat and sunglasses, beaming smile. Or she is dining in this and that fabulous roof top restaurant, vising the sites in Singapore, France, Italy, wherever.
I have never given that girl more than 2,000 baht for an entire night from early dinner time until afternoon the next day. She has stayed with me 3 days and nights in a row for only 3,500 baht. She is not a 9 or a 10. I would say a solid 7.5 in the real world. Decent, fit body. Quirky cute but not beautiful face. Late 20's. There must be many girls better looking than her who are raking in major big bucks along the way. Or they easily could be if this girl can do what she does "for a living."
Her secret for getting guys to fund that kind of a lifestyle? It is probably that her pussy is without doubt one of the best feeling poozles I have ever felt and when she gives a bj, it is full, complete and finished with a swallow and a smile like any very good girl who wants to make a lot of money and be taken on exciting trips around the world ought to do.
Most of "my girls" don't do CIP or CIM normally anyway. How about that time you took a girl right after she finished a session with tooms?
And then you supposedly penalized her for only letting you expertly eat her pussy while she just incompetently sucked your dick for a few annoying minutes to no finish whatever by still giving her 1,000 baht?I agree. She should have paid you for your services.
Crazy4Thai
07-29-19, 17:13
Even though that particular girl in my report fit just fine on the Left Side of the Thermae line up, she would not have been wildly out of place standing in front of Hooters on Soi 4 either. In which case, her original asking price for the whole ST would likely have been no more than 1,500 baht.
I realize much of the discussion regarding that report was regarding whether or not my 1,000 baht reduced payment was fair relative to what I had said I would pay her in the bar to "make me happy" and the BBFS+CIP issue. However, if I had started my report by saying I met the girl standing on Soi 4 instead of on the Left Side of Thermae and with the same deal regarding the negotiated 2,500 baht fee and my reduced payment of 1,000 baht, I wonder if the hot button issue of discussion would have been more like, "WTF?! You agreed to pay that Soi 4 girl 2,500 BAHT?! And then you supposedly penalized her for only letting you expertly eat her pussy while she just incompetently sucked your dick for a few annoying minutes to no finish whatever by still giving her 1,000 baht? For the love of god tell us you didn't. You're ruining the market!" LOL.
Nounce is correct, imo. 1,000 baht is still a lot of money in Thailand. And for what happened in that room it was a fabulous gift. No wonder she didn't seem to be particularly ticked off about it. Even lovingly held my hand on the walk down my soi to get a taxi afterwards.Such a very good summary of what really happened. I have to add on IMHO that the girl knew the entire time just how she wanted it to play out. To repeatedly try to get you in that condom, she KNEW, as you had told her, that it would be game over, not her fault you could not cum, you DID get (her version of) a BJ and boom boom. And with that you would be on the hook for 2,500 baht. She held your hand because she got a good orgasm and 1000 when she expected 500 for NOT "taking very good care of you". And as a minor point in this 7-11 girls make 300 baht per shift, not 100 baht per hour.
RyanRajan1974
07-29-19, 19:24
Please let me know where to find Russians and East Europeans in Bangkok.
Thanks in advance.
Please let me know where to find Russians and East Europeans in Bangkok.
Thanks in advance.Mixx disco. The side room to the right where they play edm (although some also hang out in r&b room.).
Prices come down around closing time, I think typical short time is 5-6 k which can be brought down to more around 4 K come closing time, depending on girl.
IMO, overrated.
I saw better looking women there several years ago, also saw better looking Russians in the now defunct CM2.
In fact IMO the quality of club "working girl" Russians has really cratered in the last decade. Many of them are now old. Quality wise, 10 years ago it was often quite good. Not these days IMO
There was a hot one I met on Tinder.. but we couldn't meet up as she was going to Pattaya with her friends.
LOL. Mixed messages there. First she assures you she is "clean clean clean no STD", which would not be so important a point to stress if she expects you to wear a condom for FS. But then she only mentions sucking your cock "without condom", which could imply that is the only act she is willing to do for you without a condom.
Actually, she sounds familiar, very much like a girl I met through Tinder and sessioned with twice. Especially her use of the word "babe" and her stated rates. By any chance do her photos feature her wearing a thong bikini, her body turned away from the camera, face looking back and with her fantastic ass pointing at the lens?No. There's one pic with a side profile shot where the phone covers up her face and she's turned sideways, wearing a yellow bottom swimming suit, etc. Also a couple of pics in the aisle of a food store.
Oh I think the reference to BBBJ CLEARLY implies that any penetration is covered. AND I believe that actually stressing that she is "clean clean clean" and "no baby" is very important to many in her prospective customer base.
Love it, amazing promo but most likely not written by any 25 year old Lao lady which raises the question who did write it.I think the "services provided" aspect she can roughly copy from any escort site. That wouldn't take much effort nor specific English knowledge.
It's also possible she's actually fairly educated, in which case, copying the important and or relevant parts from another escort's "services provided" page, etc would also not require much effort.
No. There's one pic with a side profile shot where the phone covers up her face and she's turned sideways, wearing a yellow bottom swimming suit, etc. Also a couple of pics in the aisle of a food store.
Oh I think the reference to BBBJ CLEARLY implies that any penetration is covered. AND I believe that actually stressing that she is "clean clean clean" and "no baby" is very important to many in her prospective customer base.Ah, I see. The one I am talking about also stated BBBJ+CIM was fine but that FS must be covered only. Did not turn out that way in our sessions though. Interestingly, she was crappy at a CIM finish for the BBBJ but was a real winner when it came to BBFS+CIP.
I agree. She should have paid you for your services.Believe me, what Nounce and now you have proposed has certainly crossed my mind more than once or twice. Maybe I should incorporate that into my negotiations when I engage in them. A Three Tier incentive program; 50% discount for what I do for her if she is at least minimally competent at what she does for me. Free if she does a good job of it. I give her extra baht if she does a great job of it.
Seem to recall someone wanted to know where the black girls went. They can be found in Soi 7 at the cart bars at 10 pm.
Went past Thermae. 5 real girls outside in addition to LBs. How can I tell? They were not tall, slim, pretty, fake, or gawky enough or a Combination to be LBs. The girls were not doable for me. I just stopped and counted them. Normally you would not pay them attention.
To those who say only LBs outside, rubbish. 10 pm.
How about that time you took a girl right after she finished a session with tooms?Write all the shit you like. Seems like a waste of time.
How depressing. Next time lurk a little harder and pick reviewed girls who don't give shitty service.Looks like you got mixed up which posts you are relying to. Why bother if you just want to dump shit? Both you and I could incur a warning from Admin about discouraging others from posting.
Please let me know where to find Russians and East Europeans in Bangkok.
Thanks in advance.I should have added you can also try Shock 53 club for a smattering of Russians and some Central Asian FSU types.
You guess wrong, daily minimum wage in Thailand is 300 per 8 hour day, make that in practice closer to 400 in Bangkok and that is usually for high school finishers, If you end up washing dishes in the kitchen its materially less.
I have little or no doubt that most girls or lads anywhere in the world would not join the P4P biz if there were real options and alternatives to earning a reasonable living wage to meet their needs. All you have to do is read their stories or talk to them to know this. Profiles projecting them as being lazy, looking for an easy way to having their I Phones and designer clothes as a generality is not the reality of their lives and in my opinion reflects a misguided misogynist prospective.I knew I could be wrong but I just want to make a point so I intentionally overestimate.
Where do I said they are lazy? Here we are not talking about reasonable living wage either. How one thinks about this profession is influenced by environment, and the society. I don't treat them with disrespect and I see nothing wrong for them to use their body to make money.
Seem to recall someone wanted to know where the black girls went. They can be found in Soi 7 at the cart bars at 10 pm.Thanks for the intel on the black girls.
Big Bad Mamma Jammers or slender chasis with tidy caboose's?
Franciscass
07-30-19, 08:07
I knew I could be wrong but I just want to make a point so I intentionally overestimate..Apologizes for any misunderstanding but just to be accurate I did not quote you personally as saying they are lazy.
Like yourself I respect the girls and totally agree on not moralizing on what they do for a living. Being a customer of their services it would be the height of hypocrisy to do so.
As to how cushy a lifestyle it is, here we might have to disagree.
No doubt some of the smarter experienced in demand ladies make a very good living, over 200 k a month here in Thailand and twice and triple that if they go overseas but they need to put in the hours and work their ass's off.
More to the point that is not the majority who while making more than they would in other jobs available to them are nowhere near living the good life.
One also needs to remember that they probably have no more than a 10 year span when they can rake in the big bucks. After that if they haven't squirreled away enough to start a business or found a well heeled sponsor that latest I Phone soon becomes an old Huawei.
Thanks for the intel on the black girls.
Big Bad Mamma Jammers or slender chasis with tidy caboose's?Not many slender. I am pretty fussy. I do like black girls, but the ones here are generally not of a high standard. They are not in Brazil, Columbia, Jamaica and Dominican Republic class. They probably come from Africa of various parts. I have met Kenyan and Ghanan girls else where that were way better and fucked a few. Some were really good especially due to big luscious lips that they used well.
I only really had the hots for one in Bangkok, big time, in the last 2 or 3 years. Don't know what happened to her. Honestly, in general you are better off doing local Thai girls unless you can crack onto some fab girl just holidaying here. If they were really great, they would make far more money in some other country, like Europe for example. That is where I did some great black girls.
Did do a "Zanzibar" girl (Tanzanian or similar) a few years back that was very disappointing, and black girls on average, are supposed to be good.
I think so called Russians (more likely Uzbekis, Kazaks etc.) here are not best standard either. I did not see any that really looked fantastic, compared to European talent.
I have had some great experiences with girls from just outside Thailand, like Laos and Khmer girls, even a Thai-yai(Shan) girl from Myanmar. Even a hill tribe girl a few years back. Some experienced mongers on here do a lot of girls from various Asian countries but usually don't bother much with the black girls here.
If you find a really stunning black girl, then great, go for it. Just hard to find them. Still I know guys that are crazy for a big caboose. Not me really.
Thanks for the intel on the black girls.
Big Bad Mamma Jammers or slender chasis with tidy caboose's?The main place I see black girls is on soi 4 in front of the Ibis hotel. Some fat, some slim. There was even one I saw who was hot enough to have sex with, and black girls are my last option.
Write all the shit you like. Seems like a waste of time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k
Going through life thinking that jokes are a waste of time isn't good for your health. There have been studies that show people who laugh more live longer and have happier and healthier lives.
I should have added you can also try Shock 53 club for a smattering of Russians and some Central Asian FSU types.Shock 39 or Shock 53 , I think it was 39 , then you can find some in Bossy but I don't know if it is still open. The classy white chicks will be only in mixx as I remember with the odd Colombian also there and some very high class Thai hookers.
Mixx has by far the best quality russian and Colombian WG in Bkk.
There was one more club I forgot the hotel name but in sathorn club was KU DE TA on top floor disco on the right and open restaurant on the left side or something like that. I have found white non Wg normal pickups, models, crew there many times but you need to be either handsome and good looking or have a table and big spender, I ain't the first one still got lucky.
Gosh I miss BKK, party all night and back at my Apartment with jacuzzi in Davis with naked girls and more alcohol, does anyone know of any new hotel having a private swimming pool or jacuzzi in the room, do advise.
Cheers BKK and I miss sitting on road side stalls and eating at 3 am and then going for mujra with Indian music when you are super drunk.
Geeeeezzzz was crazy and my buddy in action Robin Hood.
Shock 39 or Shock 53 , I think it was 39 , then you can find some in Bossy but I don't know if it is still open. The classy white chicks will be only in mixx as I remember with the odd Colombian also there and some very high class Thai hookers.
Sorry. I think you are right. Shock 39.
The last couple of times I've been there I was very disappointed, so I don't really bother much with it.
The original Bossy I think has been closed for quite some time. That place I did like.
I have little or no doubt that most girls or lads anywhere in the world would not join the P4P biz if there were real options and alternatives to earning a reasonable living wage to meet their needs. All you have to do is read their stories or talk to them to know this. Profiles projecting them as being lazy, looking for an easy way to having their I Phones and designer clothes as a generality is not the reality of their lives and in my opinion reflects a misguided misogynist prospective.Agreeing!
I also have not doubt that what Thais make in standard jobs is not generally enough to support multiple family members alone. There are plenty of jobs in the world very well paid for stuff all hard work. In Thailand Agents for imported goods make a huge markup for doing practically nothing.
I can't fathom at all why guys want to get into trying to decide what a hooker has a right to earn, compared to lowly jobs, and how difficult the job is. Maybe I would want to do the job, if I would earn several times higher than my current job, without being the slightest bit gay. Not all hookers like fucking guys! Some are even lesbians. Sex is another job, and it pays a lot better per hour than many other jobs, so what? Still many girls will not become a hooker. Just not worth it to them.
Yes, what a girl is actually worth varies a lot, by her performance, and by customer expectations. Some may well be very over priced. If it is "up to you", we may get to pay based on what we thought the service was worth. Everywhere in this life goods and services have a price, and afterwards we may well decide what we got was not worth the price. Tough luck. We don't repeat the mistake.
I recently had a girl that refused to do anything, purely was her period. She did not take panties off, no fuck no suck. If there was sex, she has a right to be paid, if there was no service, sure I did not pay. Already wasted the barfine. We can't expect a suck or fuck for free, even if was a bad one.
Hookers decide how much they want to charge for a guy, for certain activities, and we take it or leave it. We can go look for someone cheaper. If the activities are not spelled out very clearly, we take whatever is provided willingly. I am not a big negotiating person myself for specific list of services in general. I may ask some minor questions. So I take what I can get. Likewise a price was not set for my last bargirl. For me, that is a good sign that every effort is likely. They expect I am not too stingy. She did her very hardest to perform at her best. Enthusiastic performance really matters for me.
Some guy can write he never pays more than 2 K for the night, but bargirls are not available for this price any more, at least I did not meet any. I am too fussy to find the cheapest. I did take a bargirl all night this year and fucked her 3 times at least, but I paid a fair bit more than 2 K even a price was not negotiated. I can be fair. Maybe Soi 4 girls will do 2 K for the night (doubtful). I did not try and for sure would not be the quality I look for.
Unfortunately it has become standard for Bangkok bargirls to be asking for 3 K ST. Negotiation down is possible with some of the girls (but not all). Some won't go at all if they don't like the guy. Their worth of course varies greatly in my view. Some will be worthless, some worth 1 K. However if I agree to her price, and I don't know her, I have no clue if will get my monies worth, or be a waste. I tend to repeat girls much more often, since I have a reasonable idea of the service I will get, and I will know if she is worth it.
Girls on Soi 4 go for 1 K to 1. 5 K generally (for just 1 hour max), plus extra for special requirements. Very few of them are worthwhile in my view, but at least we waste less money.
Price for Oily MP girls is in between. I don't do many Oily girls, because their body and face is rarely good enough. I don't want a girl of way lower standard than my GF, even if they do porno things. No point. I have had some good looking Oily girls in last 2 or 3 years. They rarely last long. Others were just not good enough to repeat, or their pussy and general body movement did not suit me. However we were stuck with paying a similar price for all of them. Makes little sense, yes, but that is the way of it.
At bars, I hate for mamasans to come and try to get involved. They will be pushing up the price, preventing settling on a good price, and trying to get guys to pay in advance. So I generally act disinterested when mamasans show up. I can talk to the girl on my own. Fortunately I refused to pay in advance at Rainbow x since ultimately the girl gave no sex at all.
At Thermae, I know girls are just as crappy in the room as Soi 4 girls, maybe worse (I have had good performing Soi 4 girls on occasion), but the price is higher, supposedly for their better looks. I accept that and don't bother to shop there any more. Would be quite difficult for a girl there to persuade me that she would actually give me a great time. The chance she is great maybe as low as 10%. She would not know I am not so "easy" to please.
I suppose I am cheesed off with mongering in general and chances to find a compatible girl for a great time, unless she is my regular. If girls are getting too expensive, I don't have to buy. In the old days, it seemed like nearly all the hookers were eager to please, and very keen on farangs, plus I must have been easier to please. Not now. Only fucked 3 new girls this year that I would still repeat. One bargirl, one MP, and one Soi 4 girl. The rest below standard in one way or another. I have some longer term regulars still remaining but not many.
So yes most girls are not worth the money, but how much they earn is nothing to do with me. I know more than one of my girls makes very low money per month. If others make a lot, good luck to their better business sense.
The main place I see black girls is on soi 4 in front of the Ibis hotel. Some fat, some slim. There was even one I saw who was hot enough to have sex with, and black girls are my last option.Yes I saw them too, but Soi 7 girls look better (relatively).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k
Going through life thinking that jokes are a waste of time isn't good for your health. There have been studies that show people who laugh more live longer and have happier and healthier lives.Unfortunately we don't have many posters that have any talent for being funny. Nic Frenchy was the master at Pathos, in his experiences, that made me laugh in the past.
If you want to be actually funny, write your experiences in an amusing way, like Nic Frenchy used to. Irony is not the answer (anyone can write dumb irony). Others try extreme flippancy, which also seems unfunny to me.
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Unfortunately we don't have many posters that have any talent for being funny. Nic Frenchy was the master at Pathos, in his experiences, that made me laugh in the past.
If you want to be actually funny, write your experiences in an amusing way, like Nic Frenchy used to. Irony is not the answer (anyone can write dumb irony). Others try extreme flippancy, which also seems unfunny to me.Choca Monger is funny. Well, dark humor IMO but he makes me laugh.
Fasbiranwar1
07-31-19, 23:26
Sorry. I think you are right. Shock 39.
The last couple of times I've been there I was very disappointed, so I don't really bother much with it.
The original Bossy I think has been closed for quite some time. That place I did like.Guys,
I was in BKK last year, that time there were lots of police activity, they were arresting foreign worker from pub like shock and other clubs. Is it still going on? Or they stopped. One main reason for me to go BKK is Uzbek Girls. Long time back CM2 was my first option but they closed as of 2017. I don't want to go Mixx as I am brown and they don't like my skin color. If any one visited recently in BKK please advise me for the best quality of UZbek and Russian freelancers pick up zone.
Thanks.
TonyIndian
08-01-19, 15:50
Guys this is a shot in the dark, but I had some very good times with this girl (pic attached).
She advertises on Craigslist but I lost her contact and can not find her.
Would appreciate it very much if someone can share her info with me again. She called herself "Dana" when she was with me.
She is Cambodian / Khmer but works in Bangkok.
Just walked by Kasalong and the BJ bar around the corner from it tonight. Both places were closed. A lady standing nearby said all the girls went to a party. Must be a hell of a party. I've never seen that before.
Guys,
I was in BKK last year, that time there were lots of police activity, they were arresting foreign worker from pub like shock and other clubs. Is it still going on? Or they stopped. One main reason for me to go BKK is Uzbek Girls. Long time back CM2 was my first option but they closed as of 2017. I don't want to go Mixx as I am brown and they don't like my skin color. If any one visited recently in BKK please advise me for the best quality of UZbek and Russian freelancers pick up zone.
Thanks.Your best bet is to go to Pattaya. Pattaya has 4-5 Indian discos full of Uzbek ladies. Try Nasha. Pm me if you need contacts of Uzbeks in Pattaya that don't cheat customers.
Headed out to Saphan Kwai for something different. First time there. Went in T-Ded 99 first. Got there about 8:15 pm. I was the only customer. Only 2 girls that I could see. They were putting on make up. No girls dancing guess it was too early. I got set up with a white skin girl from Chiang Mai, 27 years old. 210 Baht for a LEO for the girl and Soda Water for me. 2500 Baht for short time includes cost of hotel which girl paid for. Lots of tip pressure from server and papasan guy. Girl was nice enough and had a good set on her but started complaining about pain, switch positions same thing, she started with BBBJ but she wanted to finish me with a handjob. Before hand she was talkative (in Thai) and let me get a couple pictures. I wasn't that into her and not interested in a hand job so just cut things short. Not a great experience there.
I left ST Hotel and walked by RCA and saw a cute girl sitting outside. Asked her name and the tout outside invited me in. Well it turns out that either that girl doesn't go with falang or doesn't go at all with customers. I was at RCA at about 9:30 pm. The girls rotate one at a time on the stage. I was the only customer. When I went inside the one girl on stage was dancing for no one which seems kinda weird. Hard to know how many girls they have because they came from the back and there were never more than a couple inside the lounge area at a time. Lighting is terrible and its hard to have a good look at the girls until they are up close. I got brought out a girl one at a time but knocked the first 2 back. Then they brought a very wispy girl with a shy demeanor and braces which I took a liking too. She was 21. One large bottle of LEO was 320 baht. ST was 2500 baht including hotel which the girl paid for (same Hotel New York Suites). Good session with this girl including CIM. Whole experience was better and more laid back at RCA.
Feel free to let me know if I paid the going rate for those that are familiar with these joints. If you are thinking of going I think you will be disappointed. Neither girl spoke English nor did any of the staff except for one annoying guy at T-Ded 99. Pretty depressing overall and my imagining it would be chock full of 18-22 year old stunners was way off base. Maybe I didn't visit the right places, was there too early or maybe it is better on weekends. Expensive night out for me. I rarely pay that much but it was a place I had wanted to check out maybe a few years too late though. Most people will be much happier with the selection and quality of girls in Nana / Soi Cowboy.
MarquisdeSade1
08-01-19, 20:47
I have little or no doubt that most girls or lads anywhere in the world would not join the P4P biz if there were real options and alternatives to earning a reasonable living wage to meet their needs. All you have to do is read their stories or talk to them to know this. Profiles projecting them as being lazy, looking for an easy way to having their I Phones and designer clothes as a generality is not the reality of their lives and in my opinion reflects a misguided misogynist prospective.
Does anyone disagree that only a "feminist" would use the "word" misogynist, on a sex forum for mongers?
Apologizes for any misunderstanding but just to be accurate I did not quote you personally as saying they are lazy.
Like yourself I respect the girls and totally agree on not moralizing on what they do for a living. Being a customer of their services it would be the height of hypocrisy to do so.
As to how cushy a lifestyle it is, here we might have to disagree.
No doubt some of the smarter experienced in demand ladies make a very good living, over 200 k a month here in Thailand and twice and triple that if they go overseas but they need to put in the hours and work their ass's off.
More to the point that is not the majority who while making more than they would in other jobs available to them are nowhere near living the good life.
One also needs to remember that they probably have no more than a 10 year span when they can rake in the big bucks. After that if they haven't squirreled away enough to start a business or found a well heeled sponsor that latest I Phone soon becomes an old Huawei.I agree we can have difference opinions because we have different experiences. If you try to read my post in the context it is written, the meaning maybe different, and I do not mean to be harsh. There is nothing wrong to enjoy life regardless circumstances.
Some of my observations:
I know a bar girl who won lottery so she quit her job to travel. She came back to the same job after traveling for a year or so. She still has the money so I joke with her that she should pay me because she is richer than me. I know this is just an unique case, it is not representative of all.
You know the massage places, the types that rich Thai locals go to, it like 2000+ for an hour without sex. One can negotiate with the girl in the room paying extra for full sex, often it will be accepted. What does this tell you?
Franciscass
08-02-19, 03:01
I have little or no doubt that most girls or lads anywhere in the world would not join the P4P biz if there were real options and alternatives to earning a reasonable living wage to meet their needs. All you have to do is read their stories or talk to them to know this. Profiles projecting them as being lazy, looking for an easy way to having their I Phones and designer clothes as a generality is not the reality of their lives and in my opinion reflects a misguided misogynist prospective.
Does anyone disagree that only a "feminist" would use the "word" misogynist, on a sex forum for mongers?Well I do for one. Believing in the concept of gender equality, feminism is certainly inconsistent with misogyny a prejudice against women. As to questioning expressing that on a sex forum for mongers you may need to elaborate.
Franciscass
08-02-19, 03:05
You know the massage places, the types that rich Thai locals go to, it like 2000+ for an hour without sex. One can negotiate with the girl in the room paying extra for full sex, often it will be accepted. What does this tell you?Rich local Thais are weird.
Headed out to Saphan Kwai for something different. First time there. Went in T-Ded 99 first.
Feel free to let me know if I paid the going rate for those that are familiar with these joints. If you are thinking of going I think you will be disappointed. Neither girl spoke English nor did any of the staff except for one annoying guy at T-Ded 99. Pretty depressing overall and my imagining it would be chock full of 18-22 year old stunners was way off base. Maybe I didn't visit the right places, was there too early or maybe it is better on weekends. Expensive night out for me. I rarely pay that much but it was a place I had wanted to check out maybe a few years too late though. Most people will be much happier with the selection and quality of girls in Nana / Soi Cowboy.Been to T-Det, and can confirm that 2500 paid beforehand is standard operating procedure.
IMO you need to speak reasonable Thai to have a good time there and with the girls. (and even then YMMV).
Headed out to Saphan Kwai for something different. First time there. Went in T-Ded 99 first. Got there about 8:15 pm. I was the only customer. Only 2 girls that I could see. They were putting on make up. No girls dancing guess it was too early. I got set up with a white skin girl from Chiang Mai, 27 years old. 210 Baht for a LEO for the girl and Soda Water for me. 2500 Baht for short time includes cost of hotel which girl paid for. Lots of tip pressure from server and papasan guy. Girl was nice enough and had a good set on her but started complaining about pain, switch positions same thing, she started with BBBJ but she wanted to finish me with a handjob. Before hand she was talkative (in Thai) and let me get a couple pictures. I wasn't that into her and not interested in a hand job so just cut things short. Not a great experience there.
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Feel free to let me know if I paid the going rate for those that are familiar with these joints. If you are thinking of going I think you will be disappointed. Neither girl spoke English nor did any of the staff except for one annoying guy at T-Ded 99. Pretty depressing overall and my imagining it would be chock full of 18-22 year old stunners was way off base. Maybe I didn't visit the right places, was there too early or maybe it is better on weekends. Expensive night out for me. I rarely pay that much but it was a place I had wanted to check out maybe a few years too late though. Most people will be much happier with the selection and quality of girls in Nana / Soi Cowboy.I concur with Catire's statement on the cost. And I would add that 8:15 PM is very early to be there. Last time I was there late last year I left the bar you mentioned about 11 PM because I had a date with a girl coming to my apartment. There were a couple of dozen girls in there at that time. I hear even more show up closer to Midnight, but I can't say that from first hand experience. I found the girls' behavior there to be about as impersonal and distracted by whatever is on their phone, chit chat with servers, waving at new incoming customers and so on as I have ever felt in the worst Nana or Soi Cowboy bars. And I'm talking about when they were giving me a lapdance! LOL.
One ok looking girl who plopped herself down next to me uninvited actually got offended, confrontational and threw cold water on her chances of ever being barfined by me when I dared to speak briefly to her in Thai because, she said, she wanted to practice her English with me. The one girl I spent the longest time with could not speak a word of English, had no interest in me teaching her English and exhibited just about every warning sign not to barfine her unless I was going to be delighted with the most basic, standard fare or worse for 2,500 baht. Combined with the fact that we were expected to Pay Upfront for the whole thing, I suppose I could not get out of there and back to my room for a great first time meeting and LT with an even lovelier young lady for less than 2,500 baht fast enough.
However, I assume there is a way to get around that Pay Upfront system if the girl really wants to be seen walking out of her bar with a farang and do her job in the room well enough to warrant a tip above that and, wonder of wonders, earn a repeat invitation for even more money down the line. So I might drop in there again someday to see if that is possible. If it isn't, then I would probably carry on just fine without another Saphan Kwai visit for the next few years.
Apologizes for any misunderstanding but just to be accurate I did not quote you personally as saying they are lazy.
Like yourself I respect the girls and totally agree on not moralizing on what they do for a living. Being a customer of their services it would be the height of hypocrisy to do so.
As to how cushy a lifestyle it is, here we might have to disagree.
No doubt some of the smarter experienced in demand ladies make a very good living, over 200 k a month here in Thailand and twice and triple that if they go overseas but they need to put in the hours and work their ass's off.
More to the point that is not the majority who while making more than they would in other jobs available to them are nowhere near living the good life.
One also needs to remember that they probably have no more than a 10 year span when they can rake in the big bucks. After that if they haven't squirreled away enough to start a business or found a well heeled sponsor that latest I Phone soon becomes an old Huawei.I have known several Thai P4P girls who did live a pretty good life at the time and also managed to squirrel away enough money to start and succeed in business at the end of their working years (even well before the end!). And I know several others who don't have two satang to rub together after their Sell By date had passed. Moreover, all during their working years the former group always seemed to have plenty of expense money on hand, never called me for an "Emergency Loan" and would more likely as not be booked for the night well in advance and I'd have to call them early. By contrast, the latter group was always scratching around and calling me at all hours for the 500 baht that stood between them and the end of the world for themselves and their family.
These two groups of girls were generally all born with the same natural resources fine enough to overcome any requirement for "skilled labor" in order to pay their bills and set themselves up for a comfy older age. In other words, they were within the same general range in terms of natural born good looks, brains and education opportunities.
However, there is one big, BIG difference between that former and the latter group; The former group, the ones that made good money and stocked away enough to provide for themselves and their family later kept their pussy's shaved or very short and well groomed, never balked at what I wanted in terms of a Real Sex True GFE boom boom and were willing and able to listen to and comply with the simplest instructions for how to deliver a great blowjob for me to a wonderful finish. I have no reason to believe they prepared themselves for and treated most other customers any less well.
Again by contrast, the latter group, the ones that never had enough money to pay their already dirt cheap bills and are today looking at a bleak, grindingly poor future now that their Sell By date is long past were more often a hassle in those departments.
I honestly don't think it is a wild coincidence that the ones who TRIED and DID do what customers want and are willing to pay more money for, and more often, made a lot more money and found themselves living a much more pleasant life at the time and have a more promising future while the ones who mostly had a vendor cart full of lame excuses to sell for NOT doing those things made shit money overall, lived a much shittier life at the time and are now looking at a really shitty future financially for themselves and their family.
Maybe keep your visits to the Red Light districts to nearby destinations today and tonight if possible. Closures on tap? Could be. But I have not seen that in a report yet:
Six bombs explode in Bangkok as city hosts major security meeting
By Euronews with Reuters last updated: 02/08/2019
https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/02/thai-police-say-total-six-bombs-exploded-in-bangkok
Thailand: Multiple bomb blasts hit Bangkok
Six explosions, one near a famous skyscraper, have hit Bangkok just as US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo attended a regional security summit. Unconfirmed reports suggest that other devices were found across the city.
https://www.dw.com/en/thailand-multiple-bomb-blasts-hit-bangkok/a-49859694
Bombs found at BTS station, other areas in Bangkok
UPDATED: 2 AUG 2019 AT 13:35
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1723399/loud-bangs-at-bts-station-other-areas-in-bangkok
Since I don't live in Thailand (anymore), I haven't been keeping up with this forum too much. However, I can't recall seeing many (any?) reviews of this place. Website is easily searchable and very informative. If I still lived in Bkk, I might keep all this info to myself, but I'm hoping you lads keep the place in business for my yearly visits. Since I'm staying in the area, I've been three times in the past week or so.
Setup: Walk 100 m or so up Suk soi 33 and turn right into the first side-soi. Once turned, you can't miss the sign for 7 Heaven on the left. Walk in to find a nerdy girl behind the desk with an iPad with photos of the girls that are currently available (I think you can pre-book through the website, but I haven't bothered). 1300 for one girl, 2500 for two, and some various extras for 'easing your load' onto various body parts. So, it's obviously more expensive than every other BKK BJ bar I've heard of. Here's the first benefit -- the girls are actually smoking hot. Here's the real kicker -- if you shoot within ten minutes, you get a second shot within a 40-minute (total) window (second shot can be BJ or HJ -- up to the girl).
Visited this place on Monday the previous week and I'll say it was the
worst experience ever. Never have I meet such a rude and insulting
reception staff.
The reception woman, a plump woman with dyed red hair who I will
for brevity refer to as TFRB (the fat red-haired beast) from now on,
insulted both my girlfriend, who just came in to pay for my session,
and myself in one of the worst ways you can insult someone in Thailand,
by referring to me when she thought I could not hear/understand as an "it"
("man" in Thai).
Upon entering the place with my girlfriend, the first words coming from
TFRB, shouting across the room, were "no massage here!". Since my gf
and I have been to a few similar places already, we expected some mild
surprise and possible confusion from the reception staff upon seeing my
gf and me entering together, but we have never had a rude welcome before.
My girlfriend and I were taken by surprise by the anger in the TFRB's
voice, but my gf answered in English that I was there for a blowjob.
TFRB then shouted at my girlfriend "ok, but you get out!". My girlfriend
explained politely that she was there to pay for her boyfriend (me).
TFRB then said "ok, you pay, then get out".
I said we wanted to see the girls first.
TFRB answered "no, cannot see. Now she (pointing at my gf) must get
out!". I said again I wanted to see the staff first. TFRB said we have
to pay first. Then if I don't like, she will give me the money back.
For reference, at both Wood bar and BIT style, you see the girls first,
then if you want to choose one, you pay. If not, you leave.
My gf then paid and TFRB took out an ipad where I she said I could choose
amongst the girls. "Only three girls now". I said I wanted to see
the girls for real, not just photos. This TFRB refused.
Said "cannot. Choose from photo". I said if I cannot see, I would like
to get the money back now, as I was expecting the photos to be
photo-shopped into something not recognizable. TFRB gave the money back,
and we turned around to walk out. I hoped she would change her mind when
she saw me walking and let me see the staff in real life rather than
lose a customer, but she did not. Instead I changed my mind and said,
ok, let me see photos then.
My gf had as this point already walked outside, more than a little annoyed
by the obnoxious behaviour of TFRB. As a reference, my gf has treated
me to similar sessions multiple times at both Wood bar and BIT style,
and has always been welcomed with polite, albeit surprised, behaviour
from the women manning the reception there.
I asked TFRB to show me the photos then, but she responded I must pay
first. I asked her how my gf could pay when you told her to get out
already? She said my gf can come inside and pay, then get out again.
I went outside to ask my gf to come in again. As we walked back in,
we could hear TFRB talking bad about me in Thai to staff hiding behind
the counter.
After my gf had paid again, TFRB finally handed over the ipad so I could
chose amongst three women, while telling my gf again "you get out now".
All three girls, at least as far as photos were concerned, looked decent
enough, and so I choose a girl called Nui.
TFRB then went behind the counter and said one of the rudest things you
can say about anyone in Thai: "man luak Nui", which means "it chose you.
You have to work." Not "he" chose you, but "it". In Thai language,
as in English, it is extremely rude to refer to a human being as "it"
of course, and ill-tempered Thai men have shot others dead for saying
something like that to them.
For reference, my gf later asked me later what girl I choose and I showed
her Nui (https://www.7-heavenbkk.com/nui) from the website of 7-heaven
which anyone can access from anywhere. The same, and more, photos are
available on the website for anyone to see. Btw, when Nui appeared,
she did not look much like the photo at all and I would have preferred to
chose another girl, so as feared, the reason they do not let you see the
lineup in real life is because the lineup in real life looks much less
pretty than their photo-shopped pictures. They also look a lot less slim.
Not sure what the purpose of not letting my gf see the photos on the ipad
with me when she can see the same, and more photos, on her own phone by
going to the public website, but I guess there's some logic there that
escapes me at the moment.
Anyway, the rudeness of the fat red beast aside, I was still hoping for a
decent session with Nui, as I hoped the plump woman manning the reception
was just an angry ***** whose poor demeanor would not necessarily reflect
on the staff (I was wrong).
Nui started of friendly enough, so I tried to quiz her a bit about the
woman in the reception. Obviously TFRB could not be the fabled Som from
"Som's haven" who's service-minded staff there have been many posts about,
and I can't imagine that anyone with an iota of customer care in mind would let
such a beast as the red-haired woman mind the reception, so I wondered
if indeed the reason the red-haired beast was manning the reception was
because she was the owner.
I expressed my question in a more polite way to "Nui" and wondered why
TFRB was so angry, but Nui brushed it aside. I then tried to ask if
TFRB was the owner, to which Nui responded "no", but I'm not sure if
she was being truthful or not.
Anyway, not expecting to get any useful answer from Nui, we proceeded to
the BJ.
Nui first washed junior in the sink they have in the room, and then
started servicing me decently well with a BBBJ for about 15 minutes,
sucking and slurping away as you have it.
After about 15 minutes, I stood up from the table-like thing they have you
sit/lay down on and let Nui continue servicing me while I was standing up.
After a few minutes standing, Nui asked me if I was finished? I was,
for the second time at this establishment, taken a bit by surprise from
the question. I looked at Nui a bit dumbfounded and asked her why
she would think that? But she just asked again "you finished now?".
My GF also had a chuckle when I told her this later, but I unfortunately
had to disappoint Nui by telling her I had not finished yet, so she
somewhat reluctantly continued with her job. After a few minutes of
standing, I felt the need to relax my tired legs and lay down again,
and let Nui continue her services while I was laying down.
A few minutes later, Nui started saying something about if I had
"finished now? Limit 40 minutes. Finish now?"
I was feeling a bit of an annoyance from being interrupted by this stupid
question again. Does she think she will not know when I have finished?
Does she expect me to ejaculate a soft, barely noticeable, puff of oxygen
into her mouth when I come? I answered Nui politely that it's not 40
minutes yet.
There was some back and forth with Ms. Nui and me about this, and in
the end she excused herself to go "ask boss". I spent a few minutes
contemplating, life, the universe, and everything, while waiting for
Nui to come back.
When Nui came back she told me "ok, 10 minutes more." Well, I let
her service me for five minutes more and then finished in her mouth.
She cleaned me up and I exited the shop, never to return unless someone
can tell me the red-haired beast manning the reception is gone.
Will I repeat: No No No. Nobody should have to be insulted in this way
by some fat woman who seems to hate her customers, and from what I can
tell with my very limited experience of this place, the mood of this
beast affects the girls providing the service too.
Anyone know if she's the owner of this place? If not, and someone knows
the owner, feel free to let the owner know she has lost at least one
customer who is a regular at other BJ bars due to the foul best manning
the reception. Nobody in Thailand refers to other people as an "it"
("man" in Thai) unless the speaker is really at the bottom of the totem pole
as far as manners and social grace is concerned.
I concur with Catire's statement on the cost...Thanks for response from you and Catire. I don't think I will go back but if I do I will go a bit later and maybe check out Rainbow. Going out with a 7-11 girl tonight so hopefully that goes well. Out in Bang Bo so that will keep me out of the tourist spots which is good in light of the recent bombings.
Franciscass
08-02-19, 14:04
I honestly don't think it is a wild coincidence that the ones who TRIED and DID do what customers want and are willing to pay more money for, and more often, made a lot more money and found themselves living a much more pleasant life at the time and have a more promising future while the ones who mostly had a vendor cart full of lame excuses to sell for NOT doing those things made shit money overall, lived a much shittier life at the time and are now looking at a really shitty future financially for themselves and their family.The connection between delivering whatever the customer wants and financial success in the P4P biz makes for an interesting conversation ET. From your experience there is a close correlation, personally I feel while that is part of it there is more.
Certainly girls who do anal, rimming CIM and multiple pops on top of the standard package can command a premium but BBFS which I know you need I feel is not necessary to include in their skill set to work at the high end of the market.
For me what's needed to make the big bucks is yes a flexible inclusive range of services but more importantly a personality to go with that. Looks, dress style, grooming, an appreciation of good food and music but above all good language skills enabling interesting and interested intelligent conversation.
The girls who are most successful I believe are those with have repeats from a string of big spenders who value their company just as much as their blow job.
Robert Long
08-02-19, 21:47
Visited this place on Monday the previous week and I'll say it was the
worst experience ever. Never have I meet such a rude and insulting
reception staff.
The reception woman, a plump woman with dyed red hair who I will
for brevity refer to as TFRB (the fat red-haired beast) from now on,
insulted both my girlfriend, who just came in to pay for my session,
and myself in one of the worst ways you can insult someone in Thailand,
by referring to me when she thought I could not hear/understand as an "it"
("man" in Thai).
Upon entering the place with my girlfriend, the first words coming from
TFRB, shouting across the room, were "no massage here!". Since my gf
and I have been to a few similar places already, we expected some mild
surprise and possible confusion from the reception staff upon seeing my
gf and me entering together, but we have never had a rude welcome before.
My girlfriend and I were taken by surprise by the anger in the TFRB's
voice, but my gf answered in English that I was there for a blowjob.
TFRB then shouted at my girlfriend "ok, but you get out!". My girlfriend
explained politely that she was there to pay for her boyfriend (me).
TFRB then said "ok, you pay, then get out".
I said we wanted to see the girls first.
TFRB answered "no, cannot see. Now she (pointing at my gf) must get
out!". I said again I wanted to see the staff first. TFRB said we have
to pay first. Then if I don't like, she will give me the money back.
For reference, at both Wood bar and BIT style, you see the girls first,
then if you want to choose one, you pay. If not, you leave.
My gf then paid and TFRB took out an ipad where I she said I could choose
amongst the girls. "Only three girls now". I said I wanted to see
the girls for real, not just photos. This TFRB refused.
Said "cannot. Choose from photo". I said if I cannot see, I would like
to get the money back now, as I was expecting the photos to be
photo-shopped into something not recognizable. TFRB gave the money back,
and we turned around to walk out. I hoped she would change her mind when
she saw me walking and let me see the staff in real life rather than
lose a customer, but she did not. Instead I changed my mind and said,
ok, let me see photos then.
My gf had as this point already walked outside, more than a little annoyed
by the obnoxious behaviour of TFRB. As a reference, my gf has treated
me to similar sessions multiple times at both Wood bar and BIT style,
and has always been welcomed with polite, albeit surprised, behaviour
from the women manning the reception there.
I asked TFRB to show me the photos then, but she responded I must pay
first. I asked her how my gf could pay when you told her to get out
already? She said my gf can come inside and pay, then get out again.
I went outside to ask my gf to come in again. As we walked back in,
we could hear TFRB talking bad about me in Thai to staff hiding behind
the counter.
After my gf had paid again, TFRB finally handed over the ipad so I could
chose amongst three women, while telling my gf again "you get out now".
All three girls, at least as far as photos were concerned, looked decent
enough, and so I choose a girl called Nui.
TFRB then went behind the counter and said one of the rudest things you
can say about anyone in Thai: "man luak Nui", which means "it chose you.
You have to work." Not "he" chose you, but "it". In Thai language,
as in English, it is extremely rude to refer to a human being as "it"
of course, and ill-tempered Thai men have shot others dead for saying
something like that to them.
For reference, my gf later asked me later what girl I choose and I showed
her Nui (https://www.7-heavenbkk.com/nui) from the website of 7-heaven
which anyone can access from anywhere. The same, and more, photos are
available on the website for anyone to see. Btw, when Nui appeared,
she did not look much like the photo at all and I would have preferred to
chose another girl, so as feared, the reason they do not let you see the
lineup in real life is because the lineup in real life looks much less
pretty than their photo-shopped pictures. They also look a lot less slim.
Not sure what the purpose of not letting my gf see the photos on the ipad
with me when she can see the same, and more photos, on her own phone by
going to the public website, but I guess there's some logic there that
escapes me at the moment.
Anyway, the rudeness of the fat red beast aside, I was still hoping for a
decent session with Nui, as I hoped the plump woman manning the reception
was just an angry ***** whose poor demeanor would not necessarily reflect
on the staff (I was wrong).
Nui started of friendly enough, so I tried to quiz her a bit about the
woman in the reception. Obviously TFRB could not be the fabled Som from
"Som's haven" who's service-minded staff there have been many posts about,
and I can't imagine that anyone with an iota of customer care in mind would let
such a beast as the red-haired woman mind the reception, so I wondered
if indeed the reason the red-haired beast was manning the reception was
because she was the owner.
I expressed my question in a more polite way to "Nui" and wondered why
TFRB was so angry, but Nui brushed it aside. I then tried to ask if
TFRB was the owner, to which Nui responded "no", but I'm not sure if
she was being truthful or not.
Anyway, not expecting to get any useful answer from Nui, we proceeded to
the BJ.
Nui first washed junior in the sink they have in the room, and then
started servicing me decently well with a BBBJ for about 15 minutes,
sucking and slurping away as you have it.
After about 15 minutes, I stood up from the table-like thing they have you
sit/lay down on and let Nui continue servicing me while I was standing up.
After a few minutes standing, Nui asked me if I was finished? I was,
for the second time at this establishment, taken a bit by surprise from
the question. I looked at Nui a bit dumbfounded and asked her why
she would think that? But she just asked again "you finished now?".
My GF also had a chuckle when I told her this later, but I unfortunately
had to disappoint Nui by telling her I had not finished yet, so she
somewhat reluctantly continued with her job. After a few minutes of
standing, I felt the need to relax my tired legs and lay down again,
and let Nui continue her services while I was laying down.
A few minutes later, Nui started saying something about if I had
"finished now? Limit 40 minutes. Finish now?"
I was feeling a bit of an annoyance from being interrupted by this stupid
question again. Does she think she will not know when I have finished?
Does she expect me to ejaculate a soft, barely noticeable, puff of oxygen
into her mouth when I come? I answered Nui politely that it's not 40
minutes yet.
There was some back and forth with Ms. Nui and me about this, and in
the end she excused herself to go "ask boss". I spent a few minutes
contemplating, life, the universe, and everything, while waiting for
Nui to come back.
When Nui came back she told me "ok, 10 minutes more." Well, I let
her service me for five minutes more and then finished in her mouth.
She cleaned me up and I exited the shop, never to return unless someone
can tell me the red-haired beast manning the reception is gone.
Will I repeat: No No No. Nobody should have to be insulted in this way
by some fat woman who seems to hate her customers, and from what I can
tell with my very limited experience of this place, the mood of this
beast affects the girls providing the service too.
Anyone know if she's the owner of this place? If not, and someone knows
the owner, feel free to let the owner know she has lost at least one
customer who is a regular at other BJ bars due to the foul best manning
the reception. Nobody in Thailand refers to other people as an "it"
("man" in Thai) unless the speaker is really at the bottom of the totem pole
as far as manners and social grace is concerned.I'm confused as to why you stayed. I would have said, FY and been on my way. There is no reason to take that abuse from anyone. I will never go there now that I have read your report. And I assume that your GF does not give head?
RL.
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08-02-19, 23:52
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TrueBlue666
08-03-19, 02:41
Visited this place on Monday the previous week and I'll say it was the
worst experience ever. Never have I meet such a rude and insulting
reception staff.Holy crap. Last time I was in BKK was a year ago, and I hit up 7 heaven more than a dozen times. I don't think I ever came across that woman. Is she a new hire, or was I just lucky? The only unpleasantness, if you even want to call it that, that I've ever experienced there was having to wait when they screwed up my booking a couple times (I always book in advance when I go places). I've "spent time with" 4 of the girls, (Dear and Mai are my favs) and they were nothing but friendly as could be with me for what little we could communicate.
I'm confused as to why you stayed. I would have said, FY and been on my way. Equally puzzled. There are other BJ shops. I leave many places simply because no girl in the line up appeals to me, or I cannot see the line up, even left Snow White several times with no girl selection, or could be just the staff giving me a hard time and making things difficult. I will tolerate a lot though, to get to some very special girl (not the case here).
Some guys are really determined to try at some particular venue, but not me. It is always much more about some particular girl for me, or the lack of one.
Taking a GF along to pay, seems a bit puzzling as well. Not sure why she needed to attend a BJ shop. I guess she was very curious to see the "talent", but the talent was extremely reticent to be seen by other Thai girls. I mean how embarrassing to work as a BJ specialist. Thais have a fear of being looked down on, by others.
Girls that work at BJ shops, have to do a lot of BJs to make money, but they probably hope the guy pops in 10 to 15 minutes or less, that way being less work for a given amount of money than a full sex booking with someone like me for 2 hours. So very tired mouth, jaw, and shoulders, but pussy in good condition.
I'm confused as to why you stayed. I would have said, FY and been on my way. There is no reason to take that abuse from anyone. I will never go there now that I have read your report. And I assume that your GF does not give head?
RL.Good question. The reason was the favourable reviews about the looks of the staff working here from one or two other forum brothers, so I wanted to try and see at least once since we were there already.
My GF has eventually progressed to giving great head, thank you for asking, but she also knows I like shops like this a lot. Once in a while she wants to make me extra happy and asks me if I want to visit such a shop on her treat, to which I of course smilingly say "yes, thank you".
My GF has eventually progressed to giving great head, thank you for asking, but she also knows I like shops like this a lot. Once in a while she wants to make me extra happy and asks me if I want to visit such a shop on her treat, to which I of course smilingly say "yes, thank you".Where did you find this kind of girlfriend? Is she Thai? I have had several girlfriends in farang-land, Thailand and Philippines, but if I had as much as suggested that I would like to go to a BJ bar she would probably have killed me. He, he. Your GF seems to be very liberal or maybe you are a real treasure to her. Your story was interesting. I think you should have walked away from such poor and rude treatment, but for some reason when reading I was more focused of the fact that your GF paid you a session in a BJ bar. That was something new even for this forum.
Member #4698
08-03-19, 13:09
Rule #1 in the Monger's Handbook: Never pay a hooker in advance. *
Rule #2 in the Monger's Handbook: Walk away if the massage shop insists on pictures only / no lineup before the selection of a girl.**
*The only exception to rule#1 is with oily and soapy massage parlors of solid reputation. And in this specific case the punter is not paying the girl in advance, rather he is paying the bordello in advance. There is a difference.
** I went to Mitu twice back in October 2018, my 1st & last time. Management insisted on pictures only, no lineup and payment BEFORE I was allowed to even see my chosen girl. Needless to say she did not look like her photos. I went ahead with the session anyway because I was interested in trying out the Mitu Nuru experience. So despite the girl not being up to my spec physically, she was at best a 5.125 * out of 10, we did have a wild romp and I admit that I enjoyed the session. However, I never went back for a 2nd helping even when the girl begged me to see her again on her Line texts to me. Looks and appearance are as important to me as performance. She was a nice girl though. 555. Too bad she was plain. Ha Ha. But I think my experience makes the point that if the shop does not / will not give their customers a real look at their girls before selection is made, they are hiding something. There is no other plausible explanation.
Upon entering the place with my girlfriend, the first words coming from
TFRB, shouting across the room, were "no massage here!".This is the first moment you should have turned back and walked away from that shop, she doesn't want to do business with you.
My girlfriend and I were taken by surprise by the anger in the TFRB's
voice, but my gf answered in English that I was there for a blowjob.
TFRB then shouted at my girlfriend "ok, but you get out!". My girlfriend
explained politely that she was there to pay for her boyfriend (me).
TFRB then said "ok, you pay, then get out".This is the second time you should have walked away from that shop. The girl is rude to your girlfriend but you still think about giving her your money.
TFRB answered "no, cannot see. Now she (pointing at my gf) must get
out!". I said again I wanted to see the staff first. TFRB said we have
to pay first. Then if I don't like, she will give me the money back.
For reference, at both Wood bar and BIT style, you see the girls first,
then if you want to choose one, you pay. If not, you leave. Seems like you know how it works in these shops in BKK, so why did you accept that crap?
I hoped she would change her mind when
she saw me walking and let me see the staff in real life rather than
lose a customer, but she did not.Why did you think she would change her mind? The way you described it, it's pretty clear she made it clear that she didn't want you to be serviced in her shop.
I asked her how my gf could pay when you told her to get out
already?Is it one of your fetishist thing that the money must comes out of your GF's hand directly to the girls hand? She cannot stay outside, give you the money and you give it to the girl?
She said my gf can come inside and pay, then get out again.
I went outside to ask my gf to come in again. As we walked back in,
we could hear TFRB talking bad about me in Thai to staff hiding behind
the counter. If you understood what she said in Thai you should have reacted and told her something (even in English if you cannot say it in Thai), but instead you still decided that it's better to give her your money.
After my gf had paid again, TFRB finally handed over the ipad so I could
chose amongst three women, while telling my gf again "you get out now".How many times did she say your GF to get the f*ck out of her shop and you still didn't tell her to sh*t up. What kind of boyfriend are you?
TFRB then went behind the counter and said one of the rudest things you
can say about anyone in Thai: "man luak Nui", which means "it chose you.
You have to work." Not "he" chose you, but "it". In Thai language,
as in English, it is extremely rude to refer to a human being as "it"
of course, and ill-tempered Thai men have shot others dead for saying
something like that to them. Again no reaction from you despite the fact that she talked about you as if she was talking about an animal (you're right, it's very unrespectfull in Thai).
but I guess there's some logic there that
escapes me at the moment. Thai nationals are not welcomed in these shops, but I don't know if your GF is Thai or maybe she looks like a Thai.
A few minutes later, Nui started saying something about if I had
"finished now? Limit 40 minutes. Finish now?"
I was feeling a bit of an annoyance from being interrupted by this stupid
question again. Does she think she will not know when I have finished?
Does she expect me to ejaculate a soft, barely noticeable, puff of oxygen
into her mouth when I come? I answered Nui politely that it's not 40
minutes yet The poor girl probably tried to tell you that there is a time limit and that she was expecting you to finish soon. It seems that she sucked you for a long time, and you still talk about her as being annoying and giving you a bad service. Maybe it was you that was the annoying one.
Will I repeat: No No No.Don't worry, they probably don't want to see you again also.
Nobody in Thailand refers to other people as an "it"
("man" in Thai) unless the speaker is really at the bottom of the totem pole
as far as manners and social grace is concerned.Yeah, you knew it, and your best sign of protest was to give them your money.
I'm not trying to judge you or teach anything as I constantly make a lot of mistakes but that report was so weird.
Even though I would never defend that shop after the gun related incident a few weeks ago, it seems from your report that you accepted everything that happened to you so why come and complain here instead of complaining directly in front of her? Instead you chose to do business with her and gave her the opportunity to pull that crap with other customers that would go in that sh*tty shop.
It looks like the report has been written by a masochist that likes to be humiliated and reward the people that humiliated him by paying them.
You should have told her to sh*t up before any of these things happened and moved your ass to another BJ shop. It's not as if it's the only place that can give you that service in BKK.
I've had some arguments either directly with the girls or with the management, but this always happened during the service or after it was finished, never before I paid. I cannot understand how you can decide to reward someone that treated you like sh*t by making business with them.
Every time I realize a seller or a business doesn't respect me I move to another place and the last think I would think about is to give them my money.
You probably had a very high hope of getting the best BJ ever in that shop to accept such crap from a girl that has nothing to do with the service.
The connection between delivering whatever the customer wants and financial success in the P4P biz makes for an interesting conversation ET. From your experience there is a close correlation, personally I feel while that is part of it there is more.
Certainly girls who do anal, rimming CIM and multiple pops on top of the standard package can command a premium but BBFS which I know you need I feel is not necessary to include in their skill set to work at the high end of the market.
For me what's needed to make the big bucks is yes a flexible inclusive range of services but more importantly a personality to go with that. Looks, dress style, grooming, an appreciation of good food and music but above all good language skills enabling interesting and interested intelligent conversation.
The girls who are most successful I believe are those with have repeats from a string of big spenders who value their company just as much as their blow job.That is quite a profile for a Thai hooker. A girl like that could be working in an upscale shopping mall, hostess in an expensive farang restaurant or as a medical clinic receptionist. And if she applied any of the usual hooker skills to her work scedule, I doubt she would be on the market long before being scooped up by an interested party passing through her place of business looking for a first or second wife.
I get your point, but I wasn't talking about Thai hookers who "work in the high end of the market. " The girls I am talking about always having wads of 1,000 baht notes in their purse, never call me for an emergency "loan" and are or have banked enough money to start themselves a little business that no longer requires them to compete with 22 year olds in the bars or on the streets never worked in the "high end of the market. ".
I was bringing it down to a much more basic common denominator than that, not comparing street girls with girls who target well dressed businessmen in karaoke clubs or in Mixx.
The fact is, I know girls who would fit the profile you cited. And they still find themselves 500 baht away from disaster every week. Oh, and their blowjobs are god-awful. Lol. By contrast, I almost never get those emergency loan calls from girls just working on the street, in go-go bars, online and who probably never met a well dressed businessman but who give way above average blowjobs along with the other details I mentioned.
I honestly can't speak to the Anal, Rimming, etc stuff since I don't indulge in those things anyway. But even acquiring a taste or skill for those activities is of a more specialized nature than the most basic offerings I have observed being plenty for P4P girls to provide in order to always have the money they need on hand without generating anybody's sympathy for their terrible plight.
Even though I would never defend that shop after the gun related incident a few weeks ago, it seems from your report that you accepted everything that happened to you so why come and complain here instead of complaining directly in front of her? Instead you chose to do business with her and gave her the opportunity to pull that crap with other customers that would go in that sh*tty shop.I did not come here to complain, though I did ask the reception woman a few times why she was so angry. I came her to tell about my experience so that people can decide for themselves if they will want to visit this shop or not, based on either my own review, or the two favourable reviews that were posted by other brothers recently. Those reviews were the reason I was looking forward to visiting the shop, and while there I was willing to tolerate the obnoxious reception woman in order to at least once try the girls working there. After all, it's not the red haired beast that will be sucking my dick, though if I at the time had been sure she was the owner rather than just reception staff, I would have left there and then rather than give her business a single satang.
Unfortunately BJ-shops are not a dime a dozen in Bangkok if you care about how the staff looks. Yes, there are others, but last time I went to BIT style and Wood bar (both places last week), I unfortunately had to walk out as there were no-one to my taste. Had the woman working at 7-heaven been great, I would have said so in my review and less principled people may have chosen to visit the shop anyway, the red haired beast maning the reception not withstanding. As it is, the woman working at 7-heaven was no better than what I see at other shops, so there's no reason at all to visit 7-heaven /7-hell as far as I see. At least at other places one will be treated with normal politeness.
Rule #1 in the Monger's Handbook: Never pay a hooker in advance. *
Rule #2 in the Monger's Handbook: Walk away if the massage shop insists on pictures only / no lineup before the selection of a girl.**
*The only exception to rule#1 is with oily and soapy massage parlors of solid reputation. And in this specific case the punter is not paying the girl in advance, rather he is paying the bordello in advance. There is a difference.
** I went to Mitu twice back in October 2018, my 1st & last time. Management insisted on pictures only, no lineup and payment BEFORE I was allowed to even see my chosen girl. Needless to say she did not look like her photos. I went ahead with the session anyway because I was interested in trying out the Mitu Nuru experience. So despite the girl not being up to my spec physically, she was at best a 5.125 * out of 10, we did have a wild romp and I admit that I enjoyed the session. However, I never went back for a 2nd helping even when the girl begged me to see her again on her Line texts to me. Looks and appearance are as important to me as performance. She was a nice girl though. 555. Too bad she was plain. Ha Ha. But I think my experience makes the point that if the shop does not / will not give their customers a real look at their girls before selection is made, they are hiding something. There is no other plausible explanation.Natty, love your posts.
Unfortunately at all BJ shops I know of in Bangkok, you have to pay in advance, though it is the shop you pay as you say, not the girl. This is the first time in Thailand I could not see a real-life lineup and had to chose from photos, though in Japan recently I also had to chose from photos and believe that is the norm there.
A bit like you perhaps, I had recently read some reviews from brothers about how good looking the girls here were, so I went ahead anyway so I could have the experience for myself at least once. At it was, the service was worse and the girls were no better looking.
Where did you find this kind of girlfriend? Is she Thai? I have had several girlfriends in farang-land, Thailand and Philippines, but if I had as much as suggested that I would like to go to a BJ bar she would probably have killed me. He, he. Your GF seems to be very liberal or maybe you are a real treasure to her. Your story was interesting. I think you should have walked away from such poor and rude treatment, but for some reason when reading I was more focused of the fact that your GF paid you a session in a BJ bar. That was something new even for this forum.She's not very liberal (I've had more liberal GF's), so I guess it must be that I'm a real treasure.
Or to perhaps paint a less rose coloured picture: I think the reason she takes me there is her way of saying sorry for some rather bad, almost unforgivable, things she did previously in our relationship, though now she says it's just to make me happy and she likes to see me happy.
Here's truly a first.
Went to Soi Cowboy to just walk around. Eventually got pulled in to Rawhide or whatever. Some OK girls but boring as all hell.
So I went back out and ended up in Cowboy 2.
I was sitting with a very cute and fun 21 year old. We had a couple of drinks and were joking around. Then she had to go up on stage and dance.
As I am sitting with my thumb up my ass, I guess an old customer of hers comes in. I am unaware of this fact.
She finishes her set and the mama san comes around and pushes me to get her another lady drink. I comply and I'm ready to kind of get things ready to head on out.
Then as she grabs her drink she heads to sit with the other guy.
I'm of course like WTF?
Mama san explains it's an old customer and all that horse shit.
I try to say, that's okay but why push a lady drink on me if you know she can't sit here?
Mama san proceeds to try and push other girls on me. But then the other guy leaves and original girl comes back.
Now the original girl and new girls are all kind of fighting with one another on who gets my money.
Unfortunately I'm so annoyed and confused I just pay my drink tab and start to head out. It's basically lose-lose at this point. I'm annoyed, all the girls are annoyed, and I'm pretty sure if I take anyone out it's going to be a very poor experience since everyone is all bent out of shape because the mama san is a dumbass.
The potential silver lining is I got the original girl's line info. Who knows if it pans out.
I have never had a mama san fuck shit up so much in such a short period of time. I was easy money primed and ready to go.
Someone else can take it tomorrow, but not Cowboy 2.
Natty, love your posts.
Unfortunately at all BJ shops I know of in Bangkok, you have to pay in advance, though it is the shop you pay as you say, not the girl. This is the first time in Thailand I could not see a real-life lineup and had to chose from photos, though in Japan recently I also had to chose from photos and believe that is the norm there.
A bit like you perhaps, I had recently read some reviews from brothers about how good looking the girls here were, so I went ahead anyway so I could have the experience for myself at least once. At it was, the service was worse and the girls were no better looking.Been to kasloog and loolttts over 60 times never never ever ever have I paid upfront.
Natty, love your posts.
Unfortunately at all BJ shops I know of in Bangkok, you have to pay in advance, though it is the shop you pay as you say, not the girl. This is the first time in Thailand I could not see a real-life lineup and had to chose from photos, though in Japan recently I also had to chose from photos and believe that is the norm there.
A bit like you perhaps, I had recently read some reviews from brothers about how good looking the girls here were, so I went ahead anyway so I could have the experience for myself at least once. At it was, the service was worse and the girls were no better looking.I think there could have been other reasons the receptionist freaked out so much about you walking in with a Thai woman beyond the potential of the working girls losing Face and all that. She might have thought it possible you were bringing in an irate wife or girlfriend of a customer getting serviced in a room in order to bust him. In her mind, she wasn't just protecting the girls in the back room but the privacy and possibly the physical safety of some other dude in a cubical back there. LOL. Or a customer who might walk in any minute. No way for her to know what kind of trouble a regular Thai woman is in a BJ/HJ shop to cause for the girls or her customers really.
I am not trying to justify her rude behavior, just offering another possibility for her extreme, almost police like tactic. Maybe there is a history of a confrontation like that in the shop.
On the other part, I could also see how you might think her over zealous attempts to protect and shield whoever or whatever was going on unseen back there meant that perhaps you were in the presence of the Fort Knox of Oral Pleasure From Hot Chicks! LOL. Maybe there was something so special and great about the place to almost justify it.
I probably would have carried on for the hell of it, too, at least out of curiosity, and done what you did. It wasn't all that much money to risk in order to find out what all the fuss was about not only here but by that receptionist as well.
Look at it this way, if your review of the experience had been it turned out to be the most fantastic BBBJ+CIM+Swallow you have ever gotten and the average looks of the girl did not detract from it in the least, I and I suspect a few others here would be thanking you for persisting through it all and would now be willing to enter that place on our best behavior, sheepishly smiling and ignoring whatever weird bahavior the receptionist OR owner exhibited just to get to it. "Rudeness" of the staff be damned if it had been worth it.
On the other hand, if the quality of service by the girls was shitty but the demeanor of the receptionist was on par with Saint John the Evangelist I would not be inspired to spend 1 baht there.
Thanks for the report.
Crocodilexp
08-04-19, 05:41
Unfortunately at all BJ shops I know of in Bangkok, you have to pay in advance, though it is the shop you pay as you say, not the girl.At Star of Light (on Patpong 2) and Duangporn's Haven (ex Soms Haven), you pay the shop after the session. As far as I know, paying after at BJ shops is the norm, or at least used to be.
Crocodilexp
08-04-19, 05:48
Rule #2 in the Monger's Handbook: Walk away if the massage shop insists on pictures only / no lineup before the selection of a girl.**Absolutely. If the girls are on the premises, and not busy, and it doesn't take much effort to do a lineup. If they're not willing to do that to get your business, they certainly won't be willing to do much for you once you're already committed, especially if you already paid them.
I guess a picture might make sense if they're bringing girls in or you want to wait while she finishes off another customer, but in Thailand such situations are rare. Oddly, in situations where pimps bring girls in (tuktuks upcountry, touts in Malaysia, Bali), they usually won't show you pictures, so you won't bail out and would feel more obligated once the guy shows up with the girls (since they already made the effort and time).
At Star of Light (on Patpong 2) and Duangporn's Haven (ex Soms Haven), you pay the shop after the session. As far as I know, paying after at BJ shops is the norm, or at least used to be.My review was for 7-heaven, which I believe is the name name of Duangporn's heaven.
Rule #2 in the Monger's Handbook: Walk away if the massage shop insists on pictures only / no lineup before the selection of a girl.**Man are you spoiled! In Jakarta 15 years ago, guys did not even get the option to view the girl's photos in many places, you just had to pick a number from the board. The board would be on the first floor and the girls were upstairs. The girls never came down. And once you picked a number, the girls took forever to get ready because they had to then put on their makeup. We learned of the good girls by word of mouth mostly. Sometimes when I was upstairs, I would look around and if I saw a good looking girl finishing a session with another guy, I'd get her number for next time. The best girl I ever had in Jakarta was at La Luna massage, and that place never let you see photos or lineups, but that girl was awesome. The most passionate girl in bed I've ever had in Asia. It was supposedly a "normal" massage place, and I usually did just get a massage there with no sex, but with that girl we were having sex immediately after the door closed. The regular rooms just had a curtain, but the VIP rooms had a door, so I'd get the VIP room when I was lucky enough to get number 69.
That being said, Jakarta was much better 15 years ago than it is now even without the photos/lineups
At Star of Light (on Patpong 2) and Duangporn's Haven (ex Soms Haven), you pay the shop after the session. As far as I know, paying after at BJ shops is the norm, or at least used to be.7-heaven and Dr. BJ.
I paid before.
Lol1 ta, paid after.
My review was for 7-heaven, which I believe is the name name of Duangporn's heaven.The "new" Soms Haven is located off of Asok, near terminal 21. Nowhere near soi 7. Also, pay after the deed is the custom there. TTG.
The "new" Soms Haven is located off of Asok, near terminal 21. Nowhere near soi 7. Also, pay after the deed is the custom there. TTG.The place I went to, 7-heaven, or 7-hell as I now prefer to call it, is on Soi 33, a bit down from the Emquartier / Phomphrong BTS. An article I read said Som's haven changed name to Duangaporn's haven, and I thought I read that it after that changed name again to 7-heaven, but I can't find that article now.
So that's great then. Will try the new Som's haven (that's now Duangaporn's haven, right?) next time I'm in Bangkok I hope. Thanks,
The place I went to, 7-heaven, or 7-hell as I now prefer to call it, is on Soi 33, a bit down from the Emquartier / Phomphrong BTS. An article I read said Som's haven changed name to Duangaporn's haven, and I thought I read that it after that changed name again to 7-heaven, but I can't find that article now.
So that's great then. Will try the new Som's haven (that's now Duangaporn's haven, right?) next time I'm in Bangkok I hope. Thanks,Yes, Som is now Duangporn Haven.
http://sukhumvit-psycho.com/2018/11/duangporn-haven-asok-sukhumvit/
Lol1 ta, paid after.Ditto Kas#long.
Member #4698
08-04-19, 20:42
A little off topic, but what the hell.
That being said, Jakarta was much better 15 years ago than it is now even without the photos/lineupsAs a newcomer to Jakarta, my 1st visit was in 2014, I always assumed things were wilder and much better in the good ol' days. I still remember the scene from Mel Gibson's "The Year of Living Dangerously" (1982) in which his antagonist fellow reporter goes out girl hunting and is surrounded by 100's of SW's the moment he exits his taxi. That scene is very reminiscent of what used to go on in Geylang, Singapore not too long ago. Even as late as 2015 I can still very fondly recall how large numbers of SW's used to congregate on the corner of Talma Rd and Lorang 12 across from the park. I used to stand in the middle of that intersection with scores and scores of Chinese girls to my left, Indo girls to my right, Viets in front of me and Thai girls behind me all vying for my attention and custom. It was amazing.
So, when did Alexis Hotel and Malio Club first open their doors? and the age of live lineups begin in Jakarta. Those 2 bordellos must have been great back then. Malio is still very good, but under pressure from the authorities, they cut out the nudity in 2018. What a shame! Now the girls dance with short little bottoms on, pulled up as far as they will go to reveal, in some cases, some very cute ass, but what a loss. And Alexis as you know was closed down for nefarious reasons. Those were my two favorite places. Malio still is.
So, when did Alexis Hotel and Malio Club first open their doors? and the age of live lineups begin in Jakarta. Those 2 bordellos must have been great back then. Malio is still very good, but under pressure from the authorities, they cut out the nudity in 2018. What a shame! Now the girls dance with short little bottoms on, pulled up as far as they will go to reveal, in some cases, some very cute ass, but what a loss. And Alexis as you know was closed down for nefarious reasons. Those were my two favorite places. Malio still is.When Malioboro first opened (early / mid 2000's), they had dancers in the spa on the ground floor as well as in the main room on the floor above that. The girls started dancing in the spa at 6 pm, and there were dancers in the main room at 7. They would rotate each hour with the spa dancers at 8 pm again and so on. They had different girls in the spa than they did in the main room. I haven't seen that in a while. A lot of guys never even try the spa these days, but it's on the ground floor and has a large jacuzzi / pool and also a large sauna. Guys would get in the water and sit in the jacuzzi / pool and wait for the girls to come in and join, about 5 girls would dance topless on edge of the pool wearing g-string type of bikini bottoms. After their dance show, the girls would get in the water and they would straddle the guys in there giving them lap dances in the water. The girls didn't get the guys to buy drinks, they got them to buy roses. Same theory as the drinks though, 50 k per rose. The more roses you bought her, the longer the lap dance. With the girls on their lap, the guys would play with and suck their bare tits and play with their pussies and asses under the water. The girls would reach in the guy's shorts and jerk the guy off during the lap dance. I would assume some guys got to insert if they bought enough roses. LOL. I had indonesian friends who would go there just for that. They would buy 5 roses for the girls to get full release hand jobs in the water. I never got in the water because the last thing I want is to be in a pool full of sperm, but the event was fun. I often went down there to watch those dancers in the spa, but I watched while standing beside the pool. The dancers upstairs wore bikinis, so if you wanted to see topless, you needed to go to the spa back in those days. Once the girls were in the water, I went upstairs.
I think around 2015 was the naughtiest time for Malioboro / Malio. By then, the dancers were completely naked.
I wasn't a fan of Alexis and only went there a few times. I always thought their prices were ridiculous. I will say though that the few times I did go, it was always the same, so you saw what it was like if you went there. I think the first time I went there was around 2008, but I'm sure it was open prior to that.
Actually, I'm not really a big fan of the bordellos in general. The really fun places in Jakarta back 20 years ago were not bordellos. I won't say that I haven't been to almost all of them in town and have had fun at most of them, but they are lower on my list of priorities. I think the big bordellos are a major reason for Jakarta's decline and I would not care much if they shut them all down.
Almost every night I spent at the (now closed) night club called Tanamur was better than any experience I have ever had in any bordello. That place was awesome. I think it won the award for best night club in Asia like 20 years in a row.
When Malioboro first opened (early / mid 2000's), they had dancers in the spa on the ground floor as well as in the main room on the floor above that. The girls started dancing in the spa at 6 pm, and there were dancers in the main room at 7. They would rotate each hour with the spa dancers at 8 pm again and so on. They had different girls in the spa than they did in the main room. I haven't seen that in a while. A lot of guys never even try the spa these days, but it's on the ground floor and has a large jacuzzi / pool and also a large sauna. Guys would get in the water and sit in the jacuzzi / pool and wait for the girls to come in and join, about 5 girls would dance topless on edge of the pool wearing g-string type of bikini bottoms. After their dance show, the girls would get in the water and they would straddle the guys in there giving them lap dances in the water. The girls didn't get the guys to buy drinks, they got them to buy roses. Same theory as the drinks though, 50 k per rose. The more roses you bought her, the longer the lap dance. With the girls on their lap, the guys would play with and suck their bare tits and play with their pussies and asses under the water. The girls would reach in the guy's shorts and jerk the guy off during the lap dance. I would assume some guys got to insert if they bought enough roses. LOL. I had indonesian friends who would go there just for that. They would buy 5 roses for the girls to get full release hand jobs in the water. I never got in the water because the last thing I want is to be in a pool full of sperm, but the event was fun. I often went down there to watch those dancers in the spa, but I watched while standing beside the pool. The dancers upstairs wore bikinis, so if you wanted to see topless, you needed to go to the spa back in those days. Once the girls were in the water, I went upstairs.
I think around 2015 was the naughtiest time for Malioboro / Malio. By then, the dancers were completely naked.
I wasn't a fan of Alexis and only went there a few times. I always thought their prices were ridiculous. I will say though that the few times I did go, it was always the same, so you saw what it was like if you went there. I think the first time I went there was around 2008, but I'm sure it was open prior to that.
Actually, I'm not really a big fan of the bordellos in general. The really fun places in Jakarta back 20 years ago were not bordellos. I won't say that I haven't been to almost all of them in town and have had fun at most of them, but they are lower on my list of priorities. I think the big bordellos are a major reason for Jakarta's decline and I would not care much if they shut them all down.
Almost every night I spent at the (now closed) night club called Tanamur was better than any experience I have ever had in any bordello. That place was awesome. I think it won the award for best night club in Asia like 20 years in a row.I remember early 00's Jakarta. Was unreal. Stadium, Today Country, Lintas Melawai, huge discos like Sidney 2000, numerous brothel areas, etc. Honestly the most amazing party scene I've ever witnessed. Completely unbridled and the gals were uninhibited and fun. I was amazed this was going on in an Islamic country.
I remember early 00's Jakarta. Was unreal. Stadium, Today Country, Lintas Melawai, huge discos like Sidney 2000, numerous brothel areas, etc. Honestly the most amazing party scene I've ever witnessed. Completely unbridled and the gals were uninhibited and fun. I was amazed this was going on in an Islamic country.Lintas Melawai was awesome. So was Stadium, but I have mixed feelings about Stadium because it basically replaced Tanamur as the go-to night spot in Jakarta. These days there are basically brothels and expensive 5 star hotel free lance bars with nothing comparable to a place like Tanamur, Lintas Melawai, or Top Gun in it's prime anymore. I do wonder if they shut down those big brothels if the free lance scene would return to it's once great form.
I strolled up Soi 4 near the Nana Hotel sign last night and was arm hooked by a Vietnamese girl who seemed desperate to "go with you". I thought she was lovely but for whatever reason I wasn't all that inspired. She wouldn't let go of my hand gracefully. Maybe I could stir up a bit more interest for her in my loins and settle on a reason to take her. I said "good sex?" She said yes. I said "ok, but good sex means with no condom". She said boom boom with condom, suck dick no condom. "Oh. No. Sorry, hon. I want boom boom tonight. I cannot have sex with condom." She looked crest fallen and reluctantly let go of my hand. Oh well. I tried.
Into Butterflies go-go in Nana Plaza. A young, cute, sexy dancing and doable but unremarkable girl spied me from the stage and would not stop glancing over, smiling broadly. I swear I think she was the same one who enlisted two mamasans a few weeks back and all they could say in unison was "All the girls here get 3,000 baht for Short Time", if anyone recalls that report. But I wasn't sure. She made a beeline for me within a minute of her dance stage break. Sure, I'll let her sit on my lap, sure I'll buy her a ladydrink. She felt great on my lap and in my hands. Very soon I had a ramrod boner for her.
She was taking a long, long time to finish that one ladydrink. Good sign. She was applying lots of mild and occasional deep french kissing to me on the couch. Another good sign. So I broached the subject of a barfine. 1,000 to the bar this time (about 10 PM), 3,000 to her for Short Time. I expressed surprise by so much baht! Haha. Then got close to her hear and I told her I would be ok to pay that amount but I cannot wear a condom for sex. "Ohhhhh. I cannot. I WANT. But I cannot. " No problem, sweetheart. Maybe see you again another time. "Ohhh. I really want to go with you!" I know. Me too. But I cannot wear a condom for sex. "Ohhhh." I bid bye-bye to her, gave her 100 baht tip for the fine lapdance and touchy-feely, paid my bill and left. Oh well. Again, I tried. And I think this was the second time I tried with that same girl. lol. Just so many I can't be sure.
Maybe I would check out Thermae now. But first took another quick stroll down Soi 4. A girl with a sweet cute face, mid 20's I suppose, revealing nice legs in short shorts, fit and trim overall, was in the middle of a little pow wow with some other FLs, saw me about to pass by on the sidewalk and she broke through the group to grab my hand. Communication was limited as she did not speak any English at all. Considering my oft stated requirement regarding condoms, I tend not to be specific about the girls I take and have a great time with. That will apply here and now.
Anyway, we had Google Translate. 1,500 for ST, 5,000 for LT. "Everything okay. Except no sex in the butt. Too much pain. Haha." No more negotiation from me. I'm fine with that. Short time.
As has been the case more often than some would predict, that "Everything" ad she pitched to me meant exactly what it said and what I have no doubt she knew I would assume it meant. She had virtually no tits, but the rest of her body was slick smooth, fit, trim and hairless heaven. Yeah, there was a small bit of humorous banter and gestures about my really not being capable of making her pregnant. My vasectomy and all. But that was the only hassle and glitch, very minor, in an otherwise fine, fine 90 minutes or so of glorious, fresh, clean and delicious female tasting DATY, a damn good BBBJ as oral foreplay (have to investigate where that damn good BJ leads as a stand alone event next time) and the main event as god and all his angels intended it to be enjoyed. WIR? Oh yeah.
The beauty of going with those "Everything, Up To You, I Will Make You Happy" sales pitches / negotiations from FLs on the, imo, fully justified assumption they know exactly what a Western customer prospect would likely assume they mean by it is that it virtually eliminates any need to negotiate further, no need to guess what is and what isn't on the menu and so on. And at the same time, you will have standing for denying or reducing payment later if it turns out she was only trying to scam you with false advertising or some other bait-and-switch trick.
Ditto Kas#long.And Afterskool, pay after when you settle your drinks bill or after the deed is finished.
I remember early 00's Jakarta. Was unreal. Stadium, Today Country, Lintas Melawai, huge discos like Sidney 2000, numerous brothel areas, etc. Honestly the most amazing party scene I've ever witnessed. Completely unbridled and the gals were uninhibited and fun. I was amazed this was going on in an Islamic country.Same for me. I would spend whole nights partying at Stadium, sessioning 5 to 8 different, then selecting one at closing time to finish the party in the hotel, hoping the taxi would not run into police. During the day Maribaya or Berlian or Sari Ayu. Days after the big Tsunami that killed so many people in Sumatra and Phuket a fresh batch of extasy hit the streets. The pill was blue and was named "Tsunami". Absolute decadence. Never relived anyting approaching it.
Same for me. I would spend whole nights partying at Stadium, sessioning 5 to 8 different, then selecting one at closing time to finish the party in the hotel, hoping the taxi would not run into police. During the day Maribaya or Berlian or Sari Ayu. Days after the big Tsunami that killed so many people in Sumatra and Phuket a fresh batch of extasy hit the streets. The pill was blue and was named "Tsunami". Absolute decadence. Never relived anyting approaching it.Did you have a girlfriend named Elga?
Did you have a girlfriend named Elga?Ela without e as I remember. Round face. Started at Maribaya. Lived in cheap digs with chickens running around. Lazy brothers came from Bandung each week to collect her money. Liked to be fucked with both her arms pinned to the ground at the wrists.
Ela without e as I remember. Round face. Started at Maribaya. Lived in cheap digs with chickens running around. Lazy brothers came from Bandung each week to collect her money. Liked to be fucked with both her arms pinned to the ground at the wrists.Doesn't sound like the same girl. Elga lived in Taman Rasuna apartments with a fat white guy who loved to go to Stadium. She always used to say "he has big body, but his face so handsome". LOL. With the name XXL and your love for Stadium, I thought that might be you.
She said her boyfriend would leave her at home while he went to Stadium all night supposedly taking from 6 to 10 ecstacy pills a night. She claimed he would party at Stadium all night then have to work the next day and he would sleep all day at work, so he eventually lost his job and had to leave Indonesia.
I haven't seen Elga in a while, she was a very nice girl. Nice tits for a slim girl.
I kicked out a fairly new FL I liked a lot last night, mid-20s, slim, sweet face and shaved pussy. I saw her on Soi 4 same as the previous two times I took her. But this time in the room she says she was not working for a week because she had her period and went to her province. After my shower and before she took hers, she said her period stopped yesterday, no blood, but I should cum outside her pussy. That's new for us. I asked why. She really had no intelligible answer. Then I said are you sure you want me to cum outside? Yes. I said no, I don't need a lady in my room to cum outside. I can cum outside a lady if I am alone. Spent a good portion of my younger days doing it that way. LOL.
She started to cry. When she saw me getting dressed to put her out, she came up with a story about how she was only joking, trying to be funny. "Nope. I don't like ladies who change the rules in the room. If you want to change the rules for yourself, no problem, I will respect that. But tell me on Soi 4 so I can choose another lady, not after we walk back to my room."
More tears. I don't give a shit. I hate rule changers. "It is too late for me to get another customer. And I am too sad now." It was only about 9:50 PM, but she needs to get on the BTS train before it closes at midnight. She really has a long ass trip to her room, on the train, then a motorcycle taxi, maybe a river ferry in there somewhere. Costs her about 250 baht each way. According to her, this night she only spent money coming to the Sukhumvit area and back, no customer except me. That is plausible based on the time of evening I saw and took her and the time she usually shows up on the soi.
I like her enough not to burn the bridge to the ground. But I am not in the mood to fuck her with this crap issue in the air. I give her 500 baht. She hands it back. I put it in her bag. She takes it out and hands it back. Outside my apartment, I try to give it to her again. "No. It isn't about the money. I am just very sad. I know I was bad. Now you treat me like a dog in the street." Such drama. I tell her I'll see you another time. But don't change the rules on good customers you claim to like so much, you claim are among the few customers you get, who pay you more than fairly (1,500 baht ST) and treat you well.
For whatever reason, she decided to sit on the bench outside my building, in the dark and quiet, until the last BTS train was going to leave Nana. That would be more than 90 minutes later at that point. Ok, honey. Up to you. I went back into my building, up to my room and watched tv, did not go back out. I'd rather save my hornyness for tonight and have an even bigger bullet for the somewhat chubby but still cute 23 year old girl who is coming down from Korat to stay all night with me for the second time tonight. 2,000 baht LT. Unless she changes the rules in my room. Then I'll kick her out with just travel money, too. And that 4-5 hour bus ride back to Korat must be a real grind late at night.
She started to cry. When she saw me getting dressed to put her out, she came up with a story about how she was only joking, trying to be funny. "Nope. I don't like ladies who change the rules in the room. If you want to change the rules for yourself, no problem, I will respect that. But tell me on Soi 4 so I can choose another lady, not after we walk back to my room."
More tears. I don't give a shit. I hate rule changers. "It is too late for me to get another customer. And I am too sad now." You should learn to lighten up a bit. Don't be so serious all the time. I am happy to joke around with girls, and to have fun. It is not unusual for girls to change the conditions or try to. Ha Ha.
So don't let your mood get spoiled so irretrievably. Perhaps she was thinking how she had forgotten to start taking the pill again and understanding so little about birth control. Yes I know you are no risk for that, but she maybe forgot or does not believe.
I tossed out a girl who refused to fuck at all and would not take the knickers off. However my mood was not that ugly. I was prepared to fuck despite her period maybe not absolutely finished. She was more like a naughty fucking monkey (a little drunk) than a mature adult.
One of my girls was previously BBFS. Not CIP though. Now she wants to use condoms, I probably can't be bothered any more. She has lost some of her special features. So yeh I understand that we don't like rule changers. Ha ha.
You should learn to lighten up a bit. Don't be so serious all the time. I am happy to joke around with girls, and to have fun. It is not unusual for girls to change the conditions or try to. Ha Ha.
So don't let your mood get spoiled so irretrievably. Perhaps she was thinking how she had forgotten to start taking the pill again and understanding so little about birth control. Yes I know you are no risk for that, but she maybe forgot or does not believe.
I tossed out a girl who refused to fuck at all and would not take the knickers off. However my mood was not that ugly. I was prepared to fuck despite her period maybe not absolutely finished. She was more like a naughty fucking monkey (a little drunk) than a mature adult.
One of my girls was previously BBFS. Not CIP though. Now she wants to use condoms, I probably can't be bothered any more. She has lost some of her special features. So yeh I understand that we don't like rule changers. Ha ha.What in the world makes you think I got serious and that my mood was spoiled? It wasn't. I even made a joke about the situation. To her. I was calm and fine with her changing the rules. But won't pay for it. That's all. If anything, my continued calm and no big deal, casual approach to kicking her out is what bothered her the most and brought her to tears. That was what her "treat me like a dog in the street" comment was about. She went on to say I would just step over a dog and not pay much attention to it. That is what she meant. lol. She wasn't talking about me getting angry and shouting at a dog in the street.
I only got a little serious when she started to cry. It didn't seem like a good time to continue smiling and treating the situation lightly and jokey. But it was a good time to explain further why I was kicking her out with no money except a generous travel money offer.
"You should learn to lighten up a bit. Don't be so serious all the time"? lol. You're hilarious sometimes when you aren't even trying. Good one.
Member #4733
08-09-19, 11:58
a damn good BBBJ as oral foreplay (have to investigate where that damn good BJ leads as a stand alone event next time).
Then I said are you sure you want me to cum outside? Yes. I said no, I don't need a lady in my room to cum outside.Same girl?
For whatever reason, she decided to sit on the bench outside my building, in the dark and quiet, until the last BTS train was going to leave Nana. That would be more than 90 minutes later at that point. Ok, honey. Up to you. Her way of not losing face?
Unless she changes the rules in my room. Then I'll kick her out with just travel money, too. And that 4-5 hour bus ride back to Korat must be a real grind late at night.Sour!
ET, generally I like your stories but not this one.
Hi all,
Visiting BKK for third time for 4 day trip, staying in a budget friendly hotel near Nana Plaza. Little tired of 12 hrs travel. Quickly writing in the busy schedule, went to Nana Plaza for quick actions, checked for freelancers in Nana parking lot and thermae, not find anyone up to the expectations. So finally went soi 24 massage parlours late at night, almost closing time, checked some girls, again no luck. So finally wanted to try a massage in Analisa in nana, took one girl for 45 minutes tantric massage. Girl had amazing skills, nice gory hole massage, shot load in few minutes, took bath together, went back hotel happy man.
Sour!
ET, generally I like your stories but not this one.What would you do if it were you? I personally may not like the outcome but I do like ET's reports, this one included.
Same girl?
Her way of not losing face?
Sour!
ET, generally I like your stories but not this one.No, not the same girl.
Who was she trying not to lose face with by sitting alone in the dark on the bench outside my building for 90 minutes?
There was no amount of lightening up or smiling my way out of the issue that the girl changed the program in the room, not where I met her outside, from us having Real Sex for the money to me, what, rubbing my dick on her stomache or jerking myself off to the final finish for the same money? Not going to happen for any amount of money.
There was no shouting or confrontation or anger. Then to have played along with her last minute story that she was only joking about it and going ahead with bareback Real Sex like we'd had twice before with no objection would really have been no different than me pressuring and bullying her into it. I knew that. And that isn't my style. As soon as she made it known she wanted me to cum ouside and she was not into or offering an acceptable alternative, the session was over with no sex at all taking place. Only her walking to my room with me and eating food in the kitchen. She hadn't even undressed to take a shower or to do anything else.
As I lay here now, it turned out the young lady who rode the bus from Korat to stay the night with me was a total winner sweetheart. Again. No unpleasant surprises in the room, no last second rule changes, all good in every way. She is sleeping soundly next to me, not on a late night bus back to Korat, not sitting outside alone on a bench. And she will get the full agreed upon gift of 2,000 baht whenever her pretty little head awakens and she feels like leaving.
What in the world makes you think I got serious and that my mood was spoiled? It wasn't. I even made a joke about the situation. <cut>
"You should learn to lighten up a bit. Don't be so serious all the time"? lol. You're hilarious sometimes when you aren't even trying. Good one.I write straight, and certainly was not trying to be funny in the slightest. Hilarious, no way!
Simple facts, you wrote that you kicked her out, and seems because you could not tolerate her "joke". Yeh the crying girl was punished. Doesn't matter how you try to justify it and claim a good mood, most of us get it.
Member #4733
08-10-19, 09:12
No, not the same girl.That makes it better to understand. I thought you were having that same girl and she disappointed you on a next session. Your further explanation is sound to me. Good that the Korat girl was delivering. The girl that chose to sit alone in the dark could loose her face by going back to her lot on Soi 4 and admitting she wasted a customer. By going back home earlier than usual she might show to companions or at home that something went wrong or different. She also can have travel arrangements with colleagues. So plenty of good reason that I can think of for her to stay there.
What would you do if it were you? Things like that happened to me a few times. The last one is a few months ago in Amsterdam. She did not let me enter her pussy at all. That was explained after paying and after having a blowjob. When I was younger I would have been angry. Now, I just make the most of it. Her blowjob was good enough, so not such a big problem either. It also depends on my financial situation. I used to have less money but now I can just take my loss, pick another girl and get on with it.
I tried to post this half an hour earlies but there were database problems. Not sure if it is duplicated now. I added a few sentences in this one.
...........Things like that happened to me a few times. The last one is a few months ago in Amsterdam. She did not let me enter her pussy at all............Yours was a totally different situation. She was willing to allow him to screw her bareback with the caveat that he must not discharge inside of her. Which working girl in the civilized world lets a monger fuck her bare back? What with the proliferation of STDs and HIV and God knows what not! I would avoid any girl who would offer me BBFS and wish it were possible to know any pro who does it or is coerced to do it so that she could be avoided.
Yours was a totally different situation. She was willing to allow him to screw her bareback with the caveat that he must not discharge inside of her. Which working girl in the civilized world lets a monger fuck her bare back? What with the proliferation of STDs and HIV and God knows what not! I would avoid any girl who would offer me BBFS and wish it were possible to know any pro who does it or is coerced to do it so that she could be avoided.You appear to be naive. Most of the girls in PI, Indonesia and Thailand allow bareback if their price is met.
Crocodilexp
08-10-19, 23:03
I kicked out a fairly new FL I liked a lot last night, mid-20s, slim, sweet face and shaved pussy. I saw her on Soi 4 same as the previous two times I took her. But this time in the room she says she was not working for a week because she had her period and went to her province. After my shower and before she took hers, she said her period stopped yesterday, no blood, but I should cum outside her pussy. That's new for us. I asked why. She really had no intelligible answer. Then I said are you sure you want me to cum outside? Yes. I said no, I don't need a lady in my room to cum outside. I can cum outside a lady if I am alone. Spent a good portion of my younger days doing it that way. LOL.This time, before you went to the room, did you specifically agree you'd fuck her barback and cum in her pussy, or was it once again your personal interpretation of "will do everything"?
Franciscass
08-11-19, 02:58
There are two separate issues on ET's Post.
BBFS including CIP and the girl not delivering what was negotiated.
I'm not moralizing and what's happens between consenting adults, it is their business but negative test results, vasectomies circumcisions etc notwithstanding I believe it is ill-advised. The majority of girls that provide it are either sufficiently unaware of the dangers or need the money and they are a minority of working girls.
On the second issue of not delivering what was promised it is perfectly acceptable to end the session early. Apart from how it is done which should be without unnecessary rancor it comes down to how much if anything to pay her. There are no hard and fast rules.
A lot depends on how much time had elapsed, what services were already delivered before the girl refused to continue with what she agreed to, was there a genuine misunderstanding or did she intentionally deceive.
When it's happened to me and as I imagine with most members it has more than once I do give her some money based on the above criteria.
Most important however it is handled is to stay calm and avoid acrimony which could get out of hand.
Never been there before. Is it 800 baht for one shot or is it 800 baht for a set amount of time (say 30 minutes) and if you can manage two shots in that time then go for it?
Thanks in advance.
Dear All,
It's been a while have not travel to Bangkok, anyone can give us the present on going rate at those bars in nana entertainment plaza? Last time I pay 800 baht for barfine and 2500 baht for ST and 4000 baht for LT. Thanks for feedback.
Cheers,
MD.
I write straight, and certainly was not trying to be funny in the slightest. Hilarious, no way!
Simple facts, you wrote that you kicked her out, and seems because you could not tolerate her "joke". Yeh the crying girl was punished. Doesn't matter how you try to justify it and claim a good mood, most of us get it."kicked her out" is just an accepted expression for asking the girl to leave early or without completing the deed. Did you also think I literally put my foot on her butt and shoved her out the door?
You appear to be naive. Most of the girls in PI, Indonesia and Thailand allow bareback if their price is met.I'll take it further than that. Bareback sex has been the norm and accepted as "standard service" in the vast majority of Thai brothels, among freelancers, massage shops and every other P4P option since forever, even during the briefly and only mildly enforced "100% Condom Use" push by the Thai government in the late 1980's and early 1990's.
How do I know that? Because Thai men are by far the most common customers for Thai hookers and by and large they aren't using condoms. As an aside, most Westerners have misinterpreted what that "100% Condom Use" push was, even to the point of thinking it was some kind of law, official rule or regulation. No. It was merely a push by the government asking bar and brothel owners not to penalize, punish or give refunds when a girl chooses not to give what had then as well as now been accepted around the country as "standard service" bareback sex. It was asking them to give the girl the power to say No to any customer for bareback sex for any reason without penalty. I think that is a reasonable, good policy. But it is only a policy chosen by the particular bar or brothel owner and the particular girl. Nothing more.
Bareback sex might not be "standard service" for some customers in some red light districts, by the choice of those customers and the particular hookers they take. There is no handbook, no guidebook, no national agreement and certainly no law or official regulation limiting anything decided upon between a hooker and her customer. And for the country of Thailand, bareback sex is far and away more "standard service" than DFK, Rimming and BBBJ+CIM, which, ironically, many Westerners in those certain red light districts think is or ought to be standard service.
This time, before you went to the room, did you specifically agree you'd fuck her barback and cum in her pussy, or was it once again your personal interpretation of "will do everything"?No, I did not renegotiate out on the street with a girl I've been with twice within the past 2 weeks already. She could have told me she wanted to change the rules while we stood on Soi 4 and chatted briefly about her week in the province, during the leisurely 15 minute walk to my room, when we stopped to get food for her at a street cart, when we went into 7-11 for her to get an ice cream cup, anytime along the way. Obviously she hadn't "forgotten" that our deal was we engage in BBFS+CIP and I pay her 1,500 baht since she is the one that brought it up before she got undressed.
However, on the "Everything, up to you" exchange in general, and not that it was that way with the above girl, there is usually more to it than simply hearing the word "Everything" and assuming "anything" without further investigation. It is easy to confirm that the girl knows the meaning of "Everything" but is simply not saying it directly the way most Thai girls will not do on the street or in a bar anyway.
It usually goes something like this, whether it is a FL or a bargirl, doesn't much matter:
(Whatever asking price) 2,500 baht? Pang pang (expensive). What will be do in the room?
"Huh?"
What will we do for 2,500 baht?
"Everything. Up to you. I will make you happy! 2 hours. Oh, except butt sex. I don't like. Haha"
Everything? Jing jing? (Really?) No problem about that other thing. I don't like butt sex.
"Jing jing haha"
Great! I like Everything, Up To Me, You Make Me Happy. Ok. I will give you 2,500 baht for that.
"Ok!"
Sorry, but when a Thai girl looks an English speaking Westerner in the face, says it that way with plenty of opportunities to redefine the terms, clarify, make other exceptions, ask further what I mean, not confirm at any point if she wants, etc and accompanies it with a request for an amount of money greater than the average weekly pay in her country for 2 hours of her time and effort, it is ridiculous for her to then feign ignorance in the room or try to make you believe there must have been a misunderstanding, blah, blah, blah.
I am not saying the girl won't feign ignorance and all that anyway. She might. But she has no real standing to do it. The one who was led to misunderstand was the customer, not the girl. It is ridiculous for her to be the one who misunderstood considering she has probably been hit up for BBFS+CIP 10 times in the past two weeks and she knows damn well what she was hoping you would think in order to get you to pay her barfine or walk away with her on the street.
Should the customer then be exceedingly specific with something like, "Oh. You mean Bareback Fucking, no condom is ok for you?" Only if the guy wants to push her into saying No on the street when the strong implication in all its typical Thai style of communication was it would be Yes in the room. IMO, the implication here with that kind of exchange without spelling it out is as blatant as when the girl takes a condom package out of her purse, lays it on the bedside table and then says nothing more about it, never reaches for it and never requires it during the session. Now, when she does not reach for it, is that also the moment the customer should blurt out, "Golly gee! Does this mean you want us to fuck without that thing?" Sure. If he wants her to roll her eyes, shake her head and reach for the condom package to open it and put it on his dick.
Houston Player
08-11-19, 07:20
"kicked her out" is just an accepted expression for asking the girl to leave early or without completing the deed. Did you also think I literally put my foot on her butt and shoved her out the door?The issue I have with your behavior is that you were obviously just trying to teach this girl a lesson. Yes, she tried to change the CIP agreement but both of you handled it in a nice and friendly way. After you told her that was unacceptable she agreed to go ahead and let you CIP per your original agreement.
Who knows why she didn't want you to CIP on this specific occasion but she may have had some legitimate reason. You however on your power trip decide to kick her out and teach her a lesson. Well I hope the lesson she learned is to never see you again.
Crocodilexp
08-11-19, 07:31
Never been there before. Is it 800 baht for one shot or is it 800 baht for a set amount of time (say 30 minutes) and if you can manage two shots in that time then go for it?It's 800 baht for one shot.
Crocodilexp
08-11-19, 07:40
Bareback sex has been the norm and accepted as "standard service" in the vast majority of Thai brothels, among freelancers, massage shops and every other P4P option since forever, even during the briefly and only mildly enforced "100% Condom Use" push by the Thai government in the late 1980's and early 1990's.
No, that is just not true. Condom usage has been high since the AIDS scare in the 1990's. Never 100%, but high. No need to enforce it when you see people around you dying of AIDS; education was sufficient. In Thailand, HIV infection rates were rapidly rising at one point, and then went down due to higher condom use. That's a proven fact unless you prefer some odd conspiracy theory.
I've actually visited quite a few Thai brothels a fair number of times (not just Rachada massage parlors, but the real working-class ones) and I'm not just engaging in mere speculation. Condom use in those places is consistent (and service level rather low overall, but that's a different topic). Seems like you like to believe things which make you feel better about your own practices that put others (both punters and working girls) at risk.
The issue I have with your behavior is that you were obviously just trying to teach this girl a lesson. Yes, she tried to change the CIP agreement but both of you handled it in a nice and friendly way. After you told her that was unacceptable she agreed to go ahead and let you CIP per your original agreement.
Who knows why she didn't want you to CIP on this specific occasion but she may have had some legitimate reason. You however on your power trip decide to kick her out and teach her a lesson. Well I hope the lesson she learned is to never see you again.She said I might be offended by "her smell" if I finished CIP since she had just finished her period the day before. I asked her about that further, what did she mean and all, because frankly it made no sense, I'd never heard such a thing before. She was not "joking", there was plenty of opportunity for her to laugh and say so. Which would have been out of character for her anyway.
No, the reason she was fumphering around trying to come up with a reason why the new rule was "no CIP" is very, very likely to be the usual one with girls when they change that particular rule, which isn't very often but does happen.
Would you like to know what that usual reason is? It is about a boyfriend, husband or sponsor the girl lives with or sees so often and on whom she relies for regular, ongoing income. You see, between the earlier times when she was carried away or just plain fine with BBFS+CIP and subsequent times, she has had more time to figure out that if she ever comes up pregnant or with a bug of some kind, what will she tell her unknowing sponsor or live-in boyfriend.
I know that possibility didn't occur to you when you were searching for reasons to blame the customer here. But, in reality, if I had posted a 5 chapter tome on everything I ever saw or heard this girl say and do, maybe you would have come to the same conclusion. In my case, I don't think it matters one whit why a girl changes the rules. I don't need to know the reason, it isn't my right or business to know why, as far as I'm concerned she doesn't need a reason at all. Of course, the inclination is to ask why at the moment. But I did not pursue it any more than that.
Her decision this time around with me was to assume, "He's a nice guy. I won't tell him until we get to the room. He'll probably not have sex with me but pay me anyway. " A classic assumption.
Her scramble at the last second to come up with the bit about how she was only joking was clear as a bell she'd been cornered by my not being that kind of "nice guy" into agreeing to something she really, really did not want to do since it might someday jeopardize her ongoing income stream. You could have laughed off such an attempt and fucked her bareback and cum into her pussy then if you had been in my position. But, for me, I am never so desperate for an ejaculation with any particular girl this very minute that I felt the need to take advantage of the situation. Besides, there was plenty of time for her to go out and get another customer.
I've actually visited quite a few Thai brothels a fair number of times (not just Rachada massage parlors, but the real working-class ones) and I'm not just engaging in mere speculation. Condom use in those places is consistent (and service level rather low overall, but that's a different topic). Seems like you like to believe things which make you feel better about your own practices that put others (both punters and working girls) at risk.Very true. Until the punter says "I don't like to use condom, I will give you 500 baht more if we have sex with no condom. " In that case, the condom is quickly thrown aside. Anyone who thinks these girls always use condoms is kidding themselves.
I also used to think they always used condoms, but now i realize that is just not the truth.
Crocodilexp
08-11-19, 07:52
"Everything. Up to you. I will make you happy! 2 hours. Oh, except butt sex. I don't like. Haha"
Everything? Jing jing? (Really?) No problem about that other thing. I don't like butt sex.
"Jing jing haha"
Great! I like Everything, Up To Me, You Make Me Happy. Ok. I will give you 2,500 baht for that.
"Ok!"
Should the customer then be exceedingly specific with something like, "Oh. You mean Bareback Fucking, no condom is ok for you?" Only if the guy wants to push her into saying No on the street when the strong implication in all its typical Thai style of communication was it would be Yes in the room.
So, you weasel your way through an ambiguous conversation in the street, not stating clearly what you want (BBFS CIP is not part of typical fare), but only establishing a pretext for what's to come. Then, once in the room, you pressure her into doing unsafe things and risking her health, when she's already committed to the session and locked in with a Farang 2 x her size who might react unpredictably and would certainly kick her out with no money if she refuses? Great plan, sir, what an admirable human being.
No, that is just not true. Condom usage has been high since the AIDS scare in the 1990's. Never 100%, but high. No need to enforce it when you see people around you dying of AIDS; education was sufficient. In Thailand, HIV infection rates were rapidly rising at one point, and then went down due to higher condom use. That's a proven fact unless you prefer some odd conspiracy theory.
I've actually visited quite a few Thai brothels a fair number of times (not just Rachada massage parlors, but the real working-class ones) and I'm not just engaging in mere speculation. Condom use in those places is consistent (and service level rather low overall, but that's a different topic). Seems like you like to believe things which make you feel better about your own practices that put others (both punters and working girls) at risk.Are you taken to be a Thai man when you go into those brothels?
I have never seen a Thai man buying a condom in a 7-11 or a drug store.
So, you weasel your way through an ambiguous conversation in the street, not stating clearly what you want (BBFS CIP is not part of typical fare), but only establishing a pretext for what's to come. Then, once in the room, you pressure her into doing unsafe things and risking her health, when she's already committed to the session and locked in with a Farang 2 x her size who might react unpredictably and would certainly kick her out with no money if she refuses? Great plan, sir, what an admirable human being.Which part of my report on the Soi 4 girl or any other report gives you the impression I ever pressure them into anything in the room? The part where I say, ok no problem, I'll give you travel money?
BBFS+CIP is absolutely the typical fare for me with the girls I take. And the only time I am not pestered for repeats on a daily basis is when I don't bother to ask for their Line ID or agree to give them mine the first time around.
Very true. Until the punter says "I don't like to use condom, I will give you 500 baht more if we have sex with no condom. " In that case, the condom is quickly thrown aside. Anyone who thinks these girls always use condoms is kidding themselves.
I also used to think they always used condoms, but now i realize that is just not the truth.That's about it. In fact, the 1,500 baht I had paid this particular girl the two previous times was no doubt 500 baht more than she usually gets for ST (she never wanted to even discuss LT. imo, another tell about a boyfriend or sponsor). I have never been quoted higher than 1,500 baht by any Soi 4 girl, even the best looking ones that seem to have no problem getting plenty of customers.
I think even Syzygies' higher standard Soi 4 girl was only asking 1,200 baht from him and the customer before him he saw her chatting with. There was apparently no discussion between him and her on the street or in the room about BBFS+CIP. But I'm guessing another 500 baht would do it IF the girl was willing to go Bareback with any customers at all.
Are you taken to be a Thai man when you go into those brothels?
I have never seen a Thai man buying a condom in a 7-11 or a drug store.Do you think they have to bring their own condoms when they visit a brothel? Your statement that bareback is the norm in Thailand is just BS. I agree that it is available on a larger scale than many people think, but it is certainly not the norm.
If it is the norm, as you state, then it should be easy for you to 'go with the flow'. But we all know you hardly ever do that. You want to know in advance if BBFS + CIP is on the menu. You make that clear in almost every other post (which to be honest is getting a bit annoying).
Anyone who thinks these girls always use condoms is kidding themselves.
I also used to think they always used condoms, but now i realize that is just not the truth.That is indeed not the truth and yet we don't see many reports here about STD-infested girls. The risks of barebacking are often exaggerated.
Do you think they have to bring their own condoms when they visit a brothel? Your statement that bareback is the norm in Thailand is just BS. I agree that it is available on a larger scale than many people think, but it is certainly not the norm.
If it is the norm, as you state, then it should be easy for you to 'go with the flow'. But we all know you hardly ever do that. You want to know in advance if BBFS + CIP is on the menu. You make that clear in almost every other post (which to be honest is getting a bit annoying).By "the norm", which is not what I said, but ok I'll play along, I don't mean it is handed out without asking or done as routinely as the girl removing her shoes. But there is every reason to believe that was the case prior to that 1989/1992 promotion. The whole reason the 1989/1992 "100% Condom Use" idea was promoted for brothels and bars is BECAUSE it was well understood by all that, culturally, Thai men did not use condoms. Do you think there has now been an evolutionary change in the culture where the sons of those Thai men are all diligently stocking up on condoms and taking them everywhere? Or happily accepting them in the brothels?
And, even though that turned out to be a short-lived promotion, many bars, brothels and girls were only too happy to turn lemons into lemonade and use that concept as an Up Selling tool to give themselves a raise. Bars and brothels could hire girls easier because, after all, they were now emboldened to sell only the "sizzle" and not "the steak. " They could promise the same as before but, "Oh, you wanted the actual meat on this plate? No can do. Work that out with your server."
And for the ladies, same deal. They could then say "no" to something most of their customers thought they had locked in at the going rate but were now having to offer more money to get it. I have no doubt that Up Selling tool is far more useful and effective with Farangs in the Farang Red Light Districts than it is with Thais in the Thai brothels all over the rest of the country.
For all I know, that was the plan with the Soi 4 girl I was reporting about here. But I didn't bite. I didn't offer any more money. I felt the same 1,500 baht I'd paid for each of the previous sessions was high enough to pay for that particular girl.
Are you taken to be a Thai man when you go into those brothels?
I have never seen a Thai man buying a condom in a 7-11 or a drug store.Honestly, I also have never seen a Thai man guy condoms. I've never seen an Indonesian man buy them either. I used to go to the brothels with the local guys from the office and I would always have the driver stop off to buy condoms. The local guys never wanted to buy them. And back then, the brothels did not provide condoms. I asked the local guys why they didn't want a condom and they told me they thought it was safe having sex without one and they liked the feeling better. Since then, condoms have been introduced in the brothels, but a tip can easily have the condom thrown aside. I'm not condoning going without a condom, just stating fact.
Member #4733
08-11-19, 10:25
practices that put others (both punters and working girls) at risk.
The risks of barebacking are often exaggerated.I cut the citations a bit short but clearly two opposing views. It is mostly about statistics. If everybody uses a condom the risk of spreading diseases is low but not zero. Even the use of a condom doesn't bring the risk of transmitting a disease to zero. A broken condom is an obvious reason but touching each others genitals can transmit some diseases as well, for example. I once had a disease because a girl reused a condom! So, that's why I like to bring my own. If nobody uses a condom the risk of spreading diseases is much higher but not 100%. For example: both partners do not have a disease. What is actually happening in the population at large is that the people using condoms are protecting the barebackers. As long as there's only few people barebacking the risk is low due to the large majority using condoms. That has an equivalent to vaccination percentages. If a sufficiently large proportion of the population is vaccinated against a transmittable disease the few people that do not have the vaccination are protected by the overall vaccination grade. About 95% or higher is usually considered safe in Holland. Personally I like to be as safe as I can be and use a condom. So both fellow members are right in their own way, but without much substantiation.
One more thing about AIDS. Heterosexual men send their fluids and are not at high risk. But it is not 0%. Remarks about it are often dramatized or are playing down the risk too much. Just use statistics and take your pick. What side do you want to be on.
BBBJ is not without risk either. I had gonorrhea from a girl that actually put my dig too deep in her mouth, touching her throat while doing it. That can transmit the disease.
That is indeed not the truth and yet we don't see many reports here about STD-infested girls. The risks of barebacking are often exaggerated.I think most post-1989/1992 "100% Condom Use" promotion girls, this generation, are not nearly as insistent on condoms as their moms and grandmothers were for the reason you allude to there; They have probably never met a lady who got HIV or any serious, life-altering STD from a man, whether he is her boyfriend or her customer. Their grandmothers probably had never met anyone who fit that profile either, even the ones in the midst of the "100% Condom Use" promotion. But it was a powerful scary story to tell. Among gay men, their gay friends and relatives, ladyboys, male prostitutes and IV drug user customers, yes I am sure there was plenty of empirical evidence that increased condom use produced a decline in HIV acquisition.
But among non IV drug using women who primarily had vaginal sex with straight men, the incidence of HIV acquisition was probably extremely rare even then. I doubt many Thai women in or out of the business ever met such a woman. That doesn't mean they don't hear and aren't compelled to believe some of the scary horror stories. We all love to hear and believe those things. But when they have never met such a woman and neither has anyone else in their circle met such a woman, it is hard to prevent a girl from agreeing to BB for a little extra cash in the deal.
Again, talking about the "fear of disease" aspect of it. Fear of getting pregnant and having to explain why the baby doesn't look anything like your live-in boyfriend, husband or sponsor is a different matter all together.
By "the norm", which is not what I said, but ok I'll play along, I don't mean it is handed out without asking or done as routinely as the girl removing her shoes. But there is every reason to believe that was the case prior to that 1989/1992 promotion. The whole reason the 1989/1992 "100% Condom Use" idea was promoted for brothels and bars is BECAUSE it was well understood by all that, culturally, Thai men did not use condoms. Do you think there has now been an evolutionary change in the culture where the sons of those Thai men are all diligently stocking up on condoms and taking them everywhere? Or happily accepting them in the brothels?
Bareback sex has been the norm and accepted as "standard service" in the vast majority of Thai brothels, among freelancers, massage shops and every other P4P option since forever, even during the briefly and only mildly enforced "100% Condom Use" push by the Thai government in the late 1980's and early 1990's.
Uhm, you didn't say it was the norm? You did say that and you even said it has been the norm since forever. But now you suddenly say it was the norm prior to that 1989/1992 promotion? While at the same time you say it's still the norm among Thai men up to the present day?
You have lost me mate.
Uhm, you didn't say it was the norm? You did say that and you even said it has been the norm since forever. But now you suddenly say it was the norm prior to that 1989/1992 promotion? While at the same time you say it's still the norm among Thai men up to the present day?
You have lost me mate.Well, let me help you find your way back. It isn't "the norm" for tourists in the tourist areas where we monger. I should have included that reference point in my reply to you about it. My bad. It is not "the norm" for me in the way you suggested I should never have a problem getting it by "going with the flow", not asking for it and not saying anything at all about it where we all generally monger. Because I am not Thai and I don't monger in outlying provincial brothels or can pass as a Thai man. But I still say it is "the norm" for Thai men who go to Thai brothels around the country. The part you didn't include in your quote above with regard to "the norm" I was talking about is where I say:
I'll take it further than that. Bareback sex has been the norm and accepted as "standard service" in the vast majority of Thai brothels, among freelancers, massage shops and every other P4P option since forever, even during the briefly and only mildly enforced "100% Condom Use" push by the Thai government in the late 1980's and early 1990's.
How do I know that? Because Thai men are by far the most common customers for Thai hookers and by and large they aren't using condoms.
You see, that's what makes it "the norm" in the country of Thailand but not "the norm" for tourists in places where it has not been provided as "the norm" for various reasons such as in Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, Sukhumvit, Soi 4, Patpong, Pattaya, etc. I might even concede that the word "condom" is mentioned more often now in provincial Thai brothels for Thai customers than it was prior to 1989/1992. But I will not concede that those Thai customers have to negotiate their way out of it or offer an extra 500 baht for it the way we farangs generally have to do. In that way, it is still "the norm" for Thai customers with Thai P4P ladies.
It is not nearly as giant a leap from what is "the norm" with regard to BB in most P4P options around the country to getting it in these tourist areas as well as some might think. Asking for it is one way. Going with the flow is another. Offering more money is another. Having a girl repeat over and over that she is willing to provide you with "Everything, up to you, except for this or that" is another.
I would say my rate of success in getting it with willing, above average P4P girls in bars, clubs or on the street is about 60-65% overall when I ask for it or when they offer it. Raise that to 70% plus when I include dating site girls who will at some point ask for help to pay this or that emergency expense. Freelancers in denial, let's say. Not as a requirement for going BB with them. I mean the request for financial help in some way just pops up in the same general vicinity as our having been together. 70% plus is still not "the norm" compared with what the rest of the country is up to. But I believe that makes it "typical fare" for me.
You appear to be naive. Most of the girls in PI, Indonesia and Thailand allow bareback if their price is met.
Well, let me help you find your way back. It isn't "the norm" for tourists in the tourist areas where we monger. You make it confusing, because originally you replied to Smoothy's post (quoted above) that was about girls in the tourist areas allowing BB with tourists. I don't think anyway that he was talking about locals.
And you wrote 'Bareback sex has been the norm and accepted as "standard service" in the vast majority of Thai brothels, among freelancers, massage shops and every other P4 P option'. Apparently you meant freelancers, massage shops and every other P4 P option CATERING TO THAI MEN, but that was not clear.
Member #4698
08-11-19, 14:06
1. Bareback is more common amongst the locals.
2, Bareback between farangs and prostitutes is more common in other SE Asian countries than it is in LOS.
3. The rest is anecdotal. My experience with, for lack of a better term, high class prostitutes (LOL) in BKK and Pattaya ie Go Go girls and Night Club FL's, without any pre negotiation or mention of it, is roughly 25% of my girls bareback on the 1st night. Out of those I choose who I want to ride bareback. I am not comfortable barebacking with all my girls for one reason or another even when it is available. Repeats are another story: with repeats my bareback percentage rises to about 75% of my girls by the 3rd night and I usually bareback all my willing repeat girls. Again, for prostitutes in other countries, like those in the PI, Indonesia, Cambodia, and Burma, my percentages are higher reaching almost 100% availability with my repeat girls.
Here is a funny story: I had been barebacking one of my regular Nana Go Go girls for a year or two. When I returned to BKK in April 2019, I got together with her again, but this time she insisted that I wear a condom. I asked why and she said she had a farang boyfriend now and only barebacked with him. I laughed and joked, "what about me? So now I am chopped liver just because you have a new boyfriend?" (chopped liver is an old joke from the 60's or 70's - I am sure she did not understand the Johnny Carson humor in it). But she thought about it for a second or two or three and then we barebacked. And everybody was happy.
For many years now I have not been able to get it out of my head that mongers who bare back prostitutes already have some vile disease.
1. Bareback is more common amongst the locals.
2, Bareback between farangs and prostitutes is more common in other SE Asian countries than it is in LOS.
3. The rest is anecdotal. My experience with, for lack of a better term, high class prostitutes (LOL) in BKK and Pattaya ie Go Go girls and Night Club FL's, without any pre negotiation or mention of it, is roughly 25% of my girls bareback on the 1st night. Out of those I choose who I want to ride bareback. I am not comfortable barebacking with all my girls for one reason or another even when it is available. Repeats are another story: with repeats my bareback percentage rises to about 75% of my girls by the 3rd night and I usually bareback all my willing repeat girls. Again, for prostitutes in other countries, like those in the PI, Indonesia, Cambodia, and Burma, my percentages are higher reaching almost 100% availability with my repeat girls.
...This is why I don't see how anyone can argue that BB would not easily and logically qualify as "the norm" or "standard service" for P4P in Thailand when you consider the vast majority of customers are Thai men. As I said from the beginning, it is only not so for certain customers in certain red light distrcts with certain girls because they allowed it to be that way.
We accept that Thai men don't want to use condoms. Culturally, they have less peer stigma against going BB than I get from my cultural peers here. LOL.
My success rate in getting BB when I merely ask for it with P4P girls is 70%. Even during the height of the HIV hysteria in the early 90's, my rate was about 20% when I did not know a word of Thai and knew very little of the general culture.
Yet my ego would have to be off the chart and my regard for Thai men's ability to get what they want from a Thai hooker would have to be below sea level for me to think an old farang like me is better at it with Thai hookers than they are.
And the girls I deal with are picky choosy and don't even need the money all that much on a given night. They probably make many times more on a bad week than Thai customer predominant hookers make in their best month. My girls are under far less pressure to say Yes.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Thai guys are getting what they want, BB, at a much higher rate than I am without breaking a sweat. I'll say 95%+ at a minimum. Anyone want to argue that kind of rate would not make it "the norm" or "standard service" in the country, have at it.
I assure you I have not cracked the code for dealing with Thai girls, Thai hookers, to get what I want better than a typical Thai man.
For many years now I have not been able to get it out of my head that mongers who bare back prostitutes already have some vile disease.I share your opinion 100%.
Dudes don't be nasty wear a condom, nobody wants your diseases especially the poor working ladies.
Bad hombres!
Mr. Tooms there is one flaw in your logic.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would bet that the hookers who screw mostly farangs usually do not screw locals (for money).
Or most certainly not your average Thai man in brothel type.
This means that the girl is able to exercise some measure of control over her customer base (some go even further, for e. G. Screwing only Japanese, etc).
The girl then understands the pluses and minuses of having a clientele mostly or exclusively within that customer base.
For e. G. If girl likes making more money and prefers tp keep her Bush, she will most likely prefer Asian clients.
With farangs, she will most likely have to keep herself shaven, she will have the most control over condom use (as most clients will accept it, or more within this group than in others, IMO).
And whatever other disadvantages she may find, may be balanced by finding some guy who will send her money overseas (much less likely if at all among Asian clients, IMO).
So. It's a balancing act. Where a variety of factors come into play.
I'm quite sure that some of the women who service foreigners, would never to go to with in a Thai brothel (for variety of reasons, perhaps no condom use, perhaps low (er) pay etc etc.
So your line of reasoning simply doesn't neatly flow.
Crocodilexp
08-11-19, 22:43
As an aside, are Smoothy and EihTooms (smooThiE, spelled backwards) the same person with two accounts?
There's the name similarity, coupled with the fact that they sort of support each other's posts in turn. Pure coincidence?
As an aside, are Smoothy and EihTooms (smooThiE, spelled backwards) the same person with two accounts?
There's the name similarity, coupled with the fact that they sort of support each other's posts in turn. Pure coincidence?No clue though such things have been known to happen. The late Joe Wood (over on Bangkok Tonight) had a bunch of alternative accounts set up. He did it to artificially increase interest in Star of Light bar because he knew the owner (before he died in the mid 2000's) and wanted to help out the girls working there with more traffic. Reasonably successful at the time in that endeavor as well.
If there's a sufficient motive, then, yeah. It's in the realm of possibility.
As an aside, are Smoothy and EihTooms (smooThiE, spelled backwards) the same person with two accounts?
There's the name similarity, coupled with the fact that they sort of support each other's posts in turn. Pure coincidence?You obviously haven't read our posts on Trump if you think we support each other's posts.
Strangely enough, I was thinking you and MonkeyPaw might be the same guy. I didn't want to say anything.
From my observation I think it's much easier to get a girl to BB in Indonesia than in Bangkok. I don't have much PI experience to comment on there. Indonesia I'd say it's about 80% for P4 P girls whereas BKK is about 50%. Never had a girl insist on a condom for a BB in Indonesia but have had a couple in BKK, but that was my mistake for not clarifying what I wanted beforehand.
A lot of bargirls will have boyfriends who they do bareback, and their BF will pretty much bang anything they can with the money his girl gives him. Don't forget a lot of bargirls are working in the industry because their Thai BF knocked them up and dumped them.
My thoughts on the HIV situation is that back in the 90's most girls who got HIV was due to drug use, they were doing heroin back then and sharing needles. There are no needle exchanges in BKK and I doubt back then, or even now, you could just go to the pharmacy and buy needles. These days if girls are using drugs it will be Yaa Baa, Thaksin put a big hole in the drug scene when he gave the BIB open slather to deal with the issue.
Mr. Tooms there is one flaw in your logic.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would bet that the hookers who screw mostly farangs usually do not screw locals (for money).
Or most certainly not your average Thai man in brothel type.
This means that the girl is able to exercise some measure of control over her customer base (some go even further, for e. G. Screwing only Japanese, etc).
The girl then understands the pluses and minuses of having a clientele mostly or exclusively within that customer base.
For e. G. If girl likes making more money and prefers tp keep her Bush, she will most likely prefer Asian clients.
With farangs, she will most likely have to keep herself shaven, she will have the most control over condom use (as most clients will accept it, or more within this group than in others, IMO).
And whatever other disadvantages she may find, may be balanced by finding some guy who will send her money overseas (much less likely if at all among Asian clients, IMO).
So. It's a balancing act. Where a variety of factors come into play.
I'm quite sure that some of the women who service foreigners, would never to go to with in a Thai brothel (for variety of reasons, perhaps no condom use, perhaps low (er) pay etc etc.
So your line of reasoning simply doesn't neatly flow.You make some good points, Catire. However, I believe I have alluded to or mentioned some of the exceptions you have specified and perhaps a couple more.
I also accept the experienced authority I have read here and elsewhere about widespread distribution or even expectation of condom use in Thai based brothels post 1989/1992.
But I have had condoms offered or handed to me at bars, BJ bars, massage shops, out of P4P girls' purses, etc on a widespread basis too. Yet my rate of never having to put one on in order to have FS sex with the girl is at an overall 70%+ level without trying all that hard.
I would also say that rate matches and sometimes perhaps only barely (forgive the pun) matches the rate of almost every other farang visitor or expat I have met here. Of course, allowing for the reality that I can not see what really happens behind closed doors for them any more than we know what goes on behind closed doors between a Thai man and his hooker.
Even considering those pockets of exceptions vs the whole country, I might like to think my success rate in this regard far surpasses that of most Thai men rather than the other way around because of my exceeding good looks, winning charm, fluency with the language and being better able to identify the nuances of a Thai female's psyche, including hookers, in order to tap into it and have my way with her.
But that would be total BS. LOL.
You obviously haven't read our posts on Trump if you think we support each other's posts.
Strangely enough, I was thinking you and MonkeyPaw might be the same guy. I didn't want to say anything.Smoothie, I mean Smoothy, it is said the subject of the book and fine Sally Field movie, Sybil, had 16 distinct and separate personalities. And many of them disagreed and argued with the others. Don't dismiss this possibility for you and me so quickly.
Member #4698
08-12-19, 13:22
Smoothie, I mean Smoothy, it is said the subject of the book and fine Sally Field movie, Sybil, had 16 distinct and separate personalities. And many of them disagreed and argued with the others. Don't dismiss this possibility for you and me so quickly.Naw, when I think of you 2 guys I think of the multiple characters played by James McAvoy in M. Night Shyamalan's the two unusual films "Split" & "Glass". LOL. And there is probably a few more of yous lurking around the ISG and occasionally causing trouble.
Crocodilexp
08-12-19, 22:36
Strangely enough, I was thinking you and MonkeyPaw might be the same guy. I didn't want to say anything.Interesting. I'm genuinely curious what made you think that?
Oddly, I feel MonkeyPaw is at the exact opposite end of the monger spectrum from me, and perhaps the personality spectrum too. I'm budget monger, and introvert who keeps a low profile and loves cheap but plentiful shags (mostly freelancers or streetwalkers), while MonkeyPaw clearly enjoys high end places, throwing huge amounts of money around, being in the center of attention and stirring up drama with the girls. Not saying it's wrong, different strokes for different folks, but we simply couldn't be more different.
If there's another poster that writes stuff I mostly agree with (and feel I should have written), it's probably Goatscrot.
Anyway, I meant no offense, just pointing out the patterns that stand out. Apologies if we're getting off topic here.
I find this related bare back vs condom debate interesting.
Being in my late 40's and having grown up in 80 when AIDS debate was prominent, I've used condoms all my adult life with a few exceptions.
I get the natural or sensitivity debate from certain strong advocates here. Personally I find the thin condoms rather close to the bare back experience- close enough to not want me to risk BB.
I understand the BB argument more if one is either older or has taken on alcohol and wishes to eliminate that extra hindrance to cumming.
Last time I went BB was few weeks ago in my home (Euro) country (with non-WG) and I manged to pop four times over 3 or 4 hours.
Travelling to SE Asia and going BB with ladies of negotiable affection to me seems to be inviting an infection of one form or another.
Last trip I did get BBBJ and DATY, this latter I later regretted. Will I do these two again? Yes, the former and possibly the latter with girls I have more confidence in.
Disclaimer: These rules are for reading / entertainment purposes only. They are not to be taken seriously. What works for me may not work for you. What I want may not be what you want. So there is no need to go Waco, Texas if you don't like any of the rules.
Rule 1. If the girl is glued to her cellphone, she is out. Out means eliminated.
2. If the girl is always touching her hair, she is out. She is egocentric and therefore will not provide good service.
3. I have a NO TAXI RULE. I'm slim and in good shape so this rule works for me. It may not be appropriate for others who have trouble handling the Bangkok heat. I usually get a hotel a ten minute walk away from Thermae Cafe. And that is what I tell the girl. If the girl insists on a taxi, then she is out. She will not provide good service if a ten minute walk is too much for her. They are all younger than me. If there is a stunner that you really want and she insists on getting a stuffy old room upstairs, then I guess you don't have much choice.
4. I like it if the girl is holding her handbag with two hands in front of her. Arms straight. Cellphone in her handbag. By this, she is telling you, "Look at me. I'm here to receive and please you. " For me, this rule alone will almost guarantee a good to possibly even superb experience.
5. I know standing for hours is not easy on the feet. But if the girl is sitting on a chair the whole time, then that is a bad sign.
6. If the girl has her arms crossed and looks unhappy to be there, she is definitely out.
7. If the girl waves or grabs you, she is out. She will likely have a demanding personality. Choose her if you want to be dominated by a girl.
8. If the girl's outfit looks expensive, she is out. I can tell if the dress is expensive or not. She will likely quote a very high rate.
9. Most Thermae girls tend to dress up, but if the girl is dressed like a cheap working girl, she is out. I guess you can get her if that is what you want. I guess the same with the above rule. Get her if you like expensive-looking girls.
10. If the girl is short in stature, she is out. In my experience, short girls tend to be stubborn. But with the high heels, sometimes it's easy to get fooled.
11. If the girls has had plastic surgery, she is out. Sometimes it's obvious. Sometimes, it's not. The girl is egocentric and overly concerned with outer beauty.
12. If the girl is fat, she is out. This rule is not so clear-cut because everyone has different standards for obesity. For me, it's simple. If she is not slim, then she is fat. And fat girls are always thinking about food.
13. Always check the girl's age. The maximum age for the girl is 25. This rule may need to be chucked out the window because many Thermae girls are above 25. But a girl above age 25 has had too many Bangcocks, is probably a single mother, and is most likely damaged emotionally. She might be ok for ST.
The upside of these rules is that you will most likely get a decent to great service from the girl. The major downside is that the stunners will probably be eliminated by one or more of the rules. But it's always give and take in life. Enjoy.
P.S. Look up Waco massacre, if curious about the Waco, Texas comment.
Disclaimer: These rules are for reading / entertainment purposes only. They are not to be taken seriously. What works for me may not work for you. What I want may not be what you want. So there is no need to go Waco, Texas if you don't like any of the rules.I printed this out and followed it the the "T". After I had eliminated all that did not fit the criteria there was only 1 girl left. Just as I was about to grab her in swooped Brad Pitt and swept her off her feet. Fuck Brad Pitt! So I headed off to soi 24/1, broke all the rules, grabbed a very cute shorty who was a great little fuck for my 2500/90 minute session. She was also impressed that I had just seen Brad Pitt. Fuck that guy!
3. I have a NO TAXI RULE. I'm slim and in good shape so this rule works for me. It may not be appropriate for others who have trouble handling the Bangkok heat. I usually get a hotel a ten minute walk away from Thermae Cafe. And that is what I tell the girl. If the girl insists on a taxi, then she is out. She will not provide good service if a ten minute walk is too much for her. They are all younger than me. If there is a stunner that you really want and she insists on getting a stuffy old room upstairs, then I guess you don't have much choice.
.With all your rules (or even half of them), I think you ruled out all of the girls. I have to strongly disagree with the taxi one. No Thais want to walk 10 minutes on uneven pavements in high heels. Also Bangkok has bad weather, both heat and pouring with rain. Oh I forgot, she failed the height rule so has tall heels, and her shoes are killing her. Flat shoes are for the LBs outside.
You will only get desperate girls, but perhaps that is good. I fear the ones willing to make a long walk will be the ugly ones.
I think it may be reasonable on occasions for girl walking 200 metres, but not much more.
No Thais want to walk 10 minutes on uneven pavements in high heels. Also Bangkok has bad weather, both heat and pouring with rain.
I think it may be reasonable on occasions for girl walking 200 metres, but not much more.I think you can make that all Asians. I used to live in Singapore and always laughed when I used the app for the train or bus. You can select how far you are willing to walk to the stop or station but the maximum is 600 m. After that they take a taxi.
Crazy4Thai
08-14-19, 15:37
Disclaimer: These rules are for reading / entertainment purposes only. They are not to be taken seriously. What works for me may not work for you. What I want may not be what you want. So there is no need to go Waco, Texas if you don't like any of the rules.
SNIP
P.S. Look up Waco massacre, if curious about the Waco, Texas comment.As a monger who hunted in Thermae in "the good old days" this post was indeed entertaining. I rarely go there now as it has changed so much. I too am left wondering how many candidates remain for you after all the rules are applied. I think it is good to know what you want. I'm guessing that many BMs here, like me, would be interested in a follow on report about your success ratio there. For my own criteria I had to wonder if the chemistry component is not a factor for you or was just not mentioned. Anyway, it was an interesting read and I think you can tell if you spend much time on this board that you are never very far from Waco.
As a monger who hunted in Thermae in "the good old days" this post was indeed entertaining..That's about all its worth. Entertainment. Bad entertainment but entertainment none the less. Not even a smidgen of reality.
My rule is if she looks good take her. She will perform to my satisfaction, they always do. Maybe 'because I don't overthink. Or argue over 100 baht. Wearing clean clothes, smiling, smelling good, feeling bold helps too, as does the fact that I am a regular.
I'll be high fiving my bud in the Thermae (the little old white haired dude that sens the boys to the bar) in a week. I'll be sure to follow my rule until I leave in April.
My rule is if she looks good take her. She will perform to my satisfaction, they always do. Maybe 'because I don't overthink. Or argue over 100 baht. Wearing clean clothes, smiling, smelling good, feeling bold helps too, as does the fact that I am a regular.
For me, they nearly always don't perform. Too many are dick scared or Farang scared, too many have restrictions, and I never argue over price. I just don't take girls where I don't think she is worth it, normally.
I have not had a great performing girl from the Thermae for years. Maybe the odd one was semi-acceptable but not worth repeating. Not even easy to get my first choice girl. Most of those knock me back, start talking about Farang surcharge, or were already snapped up by a Jap very fast.
I have better luck with the girls on Soi 4 who are preferring Farangs (even there is easy to choose wrongly). Just unfortunate that most Soi 4 girls are not doable. However less money wasted if make the wrong choice. The big danger is girls with disaster bellies or looking for a 30 min quickie. This is the same at both Thermae and Soi 4, however Soi 4 probably has a bigger chance to encounter a disaster body.
For me, they nearly always don't perform. Too many are dick scared or Farang scaredMove to Africa. Those chicks are hot, cheap, and they can easily handle a horse dick with no complaints. You are in the wrong country.
CzarNicholas
08-15-19, 05:52
Disclaimer: These rules are for reading / entertainment purposes only. They are not to be taken seriously. What works for me may not work for you. What I want may not be what you want. So there is no need to go Waco, Texas if you don't like any of the rules.
Rule 1. If the girl is glued to her cellphone, she is out. Out means eliminated.
2. If the girl is always touching her hair, she is out. She is egocentric and therefore will not provide good service.
3. I have a NO TAXI RULE. I'm slim and in good shape so this rule works for me. It may not be appropriate for others who have trouble handling the Bangkok heat. I usually get a hotel a ten minute walk away from Thermae Cafe. And that is what I tell the girl. If the girl insists on a taxi, then she is out. She will not provide good service if a ten minute walk is too much for her. They are all younger than me. If there is a stunner that you really want and she insists on getting a stuffy old room upstairs, then I guess you don't have much choice...R. O. D.
For me, they nearly always don't perform. Too many are dick scared or Farang scared, too many have restrictions, and I never argue over price. I just don't take girls where I don't think she is worth it, normally.
I have not had a great performing girl from the Thermae for years. Maybe the odd one was semi-acceptable but not worth repeating. Not even easy to get my first choice girl. Most of those knock me back, start talking about Farang surcharge, or were already snapped up by a Jap very fast.
I have better luck with the girls on Soi 4 who are preferring Farangs (even there is easy to choose wrongly). Just unfortunate that most Soi 4 girls are not doable. However less money wasted if make the wrong choice. The big danger is girls with disaster bellies or looking for a 30 min quickie. This is the same at both Thermae and Soi 4, however Soi 4 probably has a bigger chance to encounter a disaster body.I believe what you say because you sound very sincere. But not the previous fellow who thinks he is god's gift to Thai women.
As a monger who hunted in Thermae in "the good old days" this post was indeed entertaining. I rarely go there now as it has changed so much. I too am left wondering how many candidates remain for you after all the rules are applied. I think it is good to know what you want. I'm guessing that many BMs here, like me, would be interested in a follow on report about your success ratio there. For my own criteria I had to wonder if the chemistry component is not a factor for you or was just not mentioned. Anyway, it was an interesting read and I think you can tell if you spend much time on this board that you are never very far from Waco.Yeah, I did not mention the chemistry factor because I felt that was one of the obvious ones. I'm planning a trip to BKK later this year. So will report on any success or failure in the following months.
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Move to Africa. Those chicks are hot, cheap, and they can easily handle a horse dick with no complaints. You are in the wrong country.If I wanted cheap girls, I would have moved to Tanzania, Mozambique, Nigeria, etc. But I am sceptical about the percentage of good looking girls there. I have had some nice enough girls from Kenya and Ghana.
Most black girls in Bangkok are not to a doable standard. Met one I really had the hots for in the last 2 years.
If we could reliably find hot girls like Nia Nacci (pornstar), Alexis Avery, Brittney White etc. Then great. I really think that West Indies and South America would be a better bet.
Thermae girls of today are like a different race compared to the wonderful Thermae girls in the 90's. In 1991, the alternative spot to the Thermae was the Grace Coffee shop, but mostly older girls there, so I did not partake much.
Girls are a lot cheaper in Thailand for me now, as I cut back the mongering quite drastically. Only a very few regulars left. I would rather have really good ones, than a lot of fucks.
I'm guessing "freelancers" are the equivalent of independents in Europe. I'm coming there next week, anyone has good contacts of these "freelancers". You may PM me.
Having read the forums, I think going out to look for them is a bit of a mission and then the other problem of them being a ladyboy!
Member #4698
08-17-19, 13:33
If I wanted cheap girls, I would have moved to Tanzania, Mozambique, Nigeria, etc. But I am sceptical about the percentage of good looking girls there. I have had some nice enough girls from Kenya and Ghana.
Most black girls in Bangkok are not to a doable standard. Met one I really had the hots for in the last 2 years.I am not sceptical about the availability of good looking working girls in Africa. I think genuinely attractive & doable professional girls are scarce in Africa unless you are willing to pay large for the quality upgrade. Just take a look at the sample photos posted in the African forums. I occasionally take a look over in the Madagascar & Ethiopia threads. It is pretty shocking quality.
Like you I have spotted, on extremely rare occasions, one or two attractive African girls in BKK, but that's all. That cafe latte colored SW from Tanzania that we both encountered on separate nights a few years ago hangin out near Soi Cowboy was very attractive. If memory serves, I think you told me that you took her to a ST hotel, but she wasn't any good in bed. Guess I lucked out not taking her. And last year I met a different, yet extremely attractive SE African FL in Spasso with a similar look, but I passed on her too because I had just had a session with a nice Patpong girl 45 minutes earlier. Those two African girls were the only African girls I have seen in Thailand that I was attracted to in the last 7 or 8 years. The rest were not doable IMHO.
If guys want attractive and sexually satisfying African girls I suggest they go to Rio de Janeiro. Great selection there. And if Caucasian Latinas are of interest, I suggest they go to Sao Paulo, Brazil although be forewarned, the majority of white Sao Paulo hookers come heavily silly coned which is really a shame. IMHO. 555. So, keep it simple: Thailand is for Thai girls, forgetabout Africa, Brazil is hot.
CzarNicholas
08-17-19, 13:45
Want to bring a friend for their birthday soon, and would like to show them a cosplay brothel if there is one in BKK? Maybe Pattaya?
I tried google, no luck.
Many thanks.
I am not sceptical about the availability of good looking working girls in Africa. I think genuinely attractive & doable professional girls are scarce in Africa unless you are willing to pay large for the quality upgrade. Just take a look at the sample photos posted in the African forums. I occasionally take a look over in the Madagascar & Ethiopia threads. It is pretty shocking quality.If you have never been to Africa, I am curious why you are even commenting. Often there are threads on here where guys post ugly girls, but in reality there are some stunners available in those countries.
I have been to Africa many times and I can tell you there are smoking hot girls there and they are easy to get and not scarce. There is nothing wrong with the quality of girls. I have always traveled there for work, so I have had a bit of a different view than a tourist. I definitely had more security around me at all times than a tourist would have, but other than Chad and Nigeria, I never felt in any danger. My favorite place I visited so far in africa was Angola because of the Brazilian type of culture they have there. The nightlife is off the hook and the girls range from pitch black to almost white looking due to the mix they have there from the Portuguese years ago. Ivory Coast and Cameroon were a blast. I even had some stunners in Chad, believe it or not. The hottest black girl I have ever been with was in Chad. I hear Ethiopia, Uganda and Senegal are also great, but I have not been to them.
I will say that I did not like Nigeria much, but I was there during the peak of the Ebola breakout so I stuck to just the hotel and office. I was at the Eco hotel and there were always a bunch of hookers near the hotel bar and pool at my hotel, but I didn't find any to my liking that were not snagged by some guys before I had the chance. That being said, some buddies of mine showed me some photos of girls they were doing there in lagos and they were smoking hot.
Ivory Coast may be a good tourist visit. They had a club med there when I was there. But that was out of the city, I stayed in the city. I always thought it was hilarious how many hookers would hang outside the Hotel Ivoire in the Ivory Coast. There had to be a lineup of 100 girls outside the hotel hoping some guy would stroll out there and bring her into the hotel. That hotel also had a casino and a bowling alley. I never sampled one of those girls because the guys in the office used to take me to the more up market discos, but that long lineup was a pretty awesome sight. I haven't been there in many years, so I am not sure if it's still the same.
Africa is much more wild west though than civilized places like Thailand. Although the girls are easy and hot, it's much more of a challenge just getting around.
I will admit the black girls I see in Bangkok are basically all dogs, but there are some very black hot girls in Africa.
JohnnieBravo
08-17-19, 16:14
I returned recently from a trip to BKK. One thing I noticed which was glaring was the Grace Hotel. It used to be that the Grace Hotel used to be packed full of women (mostly larger women albeit) sitting in the coffee shop lounge area across from the bowling alley. When I was recently there I was shocked to see how empty the place was, even on weekend nights? Did something happen or did these girls move to a different location?
Also noticed that Patpong was extremely toned down. Before it was a bar area with a night bizarre, not it's a night bizarre that just happens to have a few bars. I managed to walk through to whole area without getting any bar touts. Wow.
Also, the area right outside of Nana plaza seems to be more crazy then ever. I was approached more aggressively by more girls and lady boys offering a greater variety of things on the menu in a very blatant, no nonsense way than I remembered being the case the last time I had visited. Prices seemed to be between $1000 to $1500 for ST. Does this sound about right?
Finally, I think the cheapest freelancer price was to be found in Korat. Is this still the case, and if so how much. Many thanks to our more seasoned campaigners for their help and comments.
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