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Retired Army
12-27-08, 16:01
Guys, if you really want to make all the girls crawl at your feet, here is how to dress at Pegasus:
Get a bright Yellow Shirt (they will see you know Thailand and respect its traditions), wear it over a pair of Jeans (very cool & Trendy these days), They also love Converse ALLSTAR shoes.
Open 3 buttons of your Shirt and show the latest Amulet (the bigger the better) and girls will love you for being so "in tune" with their buddhist culture"
And make sure you show lots of chest hair. The more the better.
Retired Army
12-27-08, 16:13
What are you doing home at 10:15 p.m. on a Saturday night?
When does bars close at Christmas time in BKK? Same as before or do they stay open longer (untill 6am?)
Satrai2000
12-27-08, 18:34
Another problem for Fun Couple.
Some thai girls are bi-sexuals but much prefer to have sex with another Thai girl than a western woman.
A western woman needs to pay extreme attention to cleanliness as Thai girls are expecting pussy to have absolutely no odour or taste. And indeed this is why many men prefer asian girls.
Unfortuantely some western woman have "smelly pussy". Fortunately this is not all of them. But westerners must always take extreme care with cleaning (men too).
Thai girls use a special cleaning product for the pussy.
One of them is called "Lactacyd" (spelling?)Lactacyd can also be used to clean dick.
Soap is used to clean the outside of dick. A way to thorougly clean the inside of dick (urethra) is to hang your dick about two minutes in a cup of warm water in which 2 tablespoons of salt is dissolved.
First time in Bangkok and thought that I would head down to Cowboy and Shark. As reported previously there are many decent to very decent looking girls. After a beer or two I settled down with a 22yo tiny Isaan spinner who spoke pretty broken english. We agreed to 1500 ST and she promised to take good care of me. So done, bar fine and we went outside for another drink and a smoke. We were laughing it up and It thought I would be in for a good night when she started talking about her dad dying 3 months ago. neighborhood. She insisted and said "this is business". I gave her the extra 500 but I'll never be back to be fed to the sharks again.
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Thai MTV has parody flick on those little spunksters and how they get the farhang to squander money on them. The national sport is getting as much money as possible for as little work as possible and to make the farhang look like a total idiot. I cringe at all the fools that comply with the "save face" rule or believe that these hard core prostitutes are anything other than predators. Even highly educated fools allow these little spunkbuckets to bleed them. After negotiations you need to go to YOUR room immediatley and if they are not showered and smoking your pole in 10 minutes you send them walking. Sometimes you get a lousy knob job to try to intimidate you into forking out more dinero. Now that business is off the punter needs to take total control of the situation. Don't listen to the many "self styled" booty experts on this site about how generosity has it rewards and how you need to respect the "save face" rule. These people that declared war on the USA in wwII and then declared war on Japan when we dropped the A-Bomb on Hiroshima so they could seize Japanese assets have nothing but contempt for you and I. Don't fall prey to believing that veneer smile and wai-ing is anything more than props in their con game. I still love the place but I don't participate in their con-games.
First time in Bangkok and thought that I would head down to Cowboy and Shark. As reported previously there are many decent to very decent looking girls. After a beer or two I settled down with a 22yo tiny Isaan spinner who spoke pretty broken english. We agreed to 1500 ST and she promised to take good care of me. So done, bar fine and we went outside for another drink and a smoke. We were laughing it up and It thought I would be in for a good night when she started talking about her dad dying 3 months ago. A bit of a buzz kill but I felt bad and sort of let her say her bit. She also was a bit weird about it. Lighting the first cigarette in a new pack and putting it down on the ground so her "father" could smoke with her. Anyway I disregarded this and was about to suggest to leave when she went to get her friend to come over and have a drink with us. Problem was that her friend hadn't been bar fined and had to keep dancing so she asked if I would do her a favour and split the fine with her. Dumb idea but I went along with it. Anyway friend comes out in her street gear and sits down. We have a final drink and my girl suggests we go but she's a little hungry and wants to cook something for me. I don't really understand with the broken english but next thing I know we're in a taxi and at some local Bangkok market. No farrang anywhere. We're walking around and buying a stuff and she kept asking me for money. At this point I agree I should have bailed but I didn't as she kept promising me a good time. So about 500 baht of groceries later we head off somewhere "close" to cook. Well close ended up being about 20 minutes away and some sketchy ass apartment of her friends which consisted of one room and electric frying pan on a balcony. I never should have got out of the cab but I did and needless to say the rest of the night never got any better. 3 1/2 hours after we had left Cowboy she, her friend, some old neighbor, a brother who drives one of the motorbike taxis and I were sitting in this tiny ass apartment while they feasted on food I bought. Now I wasn't even remotely hungry and at this point 4:30 in the morning I had enough so I said I was leaving and she and her friend followed me out. We walked down some dark alley to a "semi main st" and waited 15 minutes for a taxi. She talked about coming to meet me later after she finished eating and I said I would be sleeping and thanks but no thanks. The cab then arrived and I jumped in the front and said bye. Next thing she jumps in the back. Whatever. After all this crap the least I could get back from her was some decent action. We get back to the hotel and had the most pathetic, unenergetic 15 minute session of my life after which she wanted to leave. She then demands her 1500 ST fee to which I laughed and said she was barely worth 500 but I would give 1000 just to get her away from me. I persisted to explain how awful the night was and how I didn't really sign up to be dragged around feeding her friends neighborhood. She insisted and said "this is business". I gave her the extra 500 but I'll never be back to be fed to the sharks again.
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I've had crap like that happen to me before. Now I always insist on at least going to my room first and getting one session in. After that I might go try some food place she reccomends, or go out for drinking and dancing if I took her LT. But she will give me one more session before she leaves if I am to pay her for LT.
Like you, I have seen the let's go see my friend, or buy my friend some drinks thing too many times. The next night their friends will do the same for them.
Did a search on here for the big mango bar and didn't return much. I'm just wondering if anyone has spent any time with the lovely ladies there or can offer any insight? On the surface it would seem like a decent comfortable bar without the scamming eat you alive types.
Check out:
http://www.bigmangobar.com/
&
http://www.2thebigmango.com/
Last time I was there it was quiet, but they do have Beer Lao!
Check out:
http://www.bigmangobar.com/
&
http://www.2thebigmango.com/
Last time I was there it was quiet, but they do have Beer Lao!I know the owners. Nice guys and they run a good ship. The old bar was at the top of the escalator in Nana, just to the left, but rent increases and a shitty landlord forced them out. Now they are a little further up the sio on the left down a side soi. Always stop in to see m and and when in town.
Guys,
Have many of you either been or seen a couple enjoy the night life with the girls at the clubs/bars etc?I had couple of threesomes with my wife and other women in Bangkok. We found it very easy to find girls at Nana Plaza. The girls know when they see a couple enjoying watching the shows they usually come and ask for a cola if they do 3somes. If a girl comes and asks for a cola you know she is interested and you can decide to take her or not. Some have been good and some have been very bad. One was kind of forced by here Mamasan to go with us, we found out that later when she was in our room. So we asked her to go since we really wanted to have a fun time and not someone who is forced into this. We didnt care of the BF we paid.
We ended up several times with the same woman who was a little bit older than the average girls (about 30) from Nana Plaza. She became a LT friend and went with us to several parks in Bangkok and showed us around. Whenever we go to BK we give her a visit.
So it is really up to you and how you allow things to happen or not to happen.
Regrads.
Vandeta
William Rose
12-28-08, 00:37
I've had crap like that happen to me before. Now I always insist on at least going to my room first and getting one session in. After that I might go try some food place she reccomends, or go out for drinking and dancing if I took her LT. But she will give me one more session before she leaves if I am to pay her for LT.
Like you, I have seen the let's go see my friend, or buy my friend some drinks thing too many times. The next night their friends will do the same for them.It's funny because I almost didn't even write the report because I was so embarrased. (and I should be) I do think that it's vital though so that others have this information to prevent this from happening to someone else. Thanks for the support to everyone who commented on my disaster. BuleDaddy, Gagoo, Daddy Warbucks1, NicFrenchy, Terry Terrier. I hope this is a lesson to everyone reading this forum and heading to Bangkok for the first time.
William Rose
12-28-08, 01:09
Check out:
http://www.bigmangobar.com/
&
http://www.2thebigmango.com/
Last time I was there it was quiet, but they do have Beer Lao!Well I decided to go for curiosity sake and arrived early for a couple drinks. Before my beer arrived one of the girls came over and asked if I wanted to play some pool. I declined as I was just really wanting to chill for a bit and enjoy my beer. There were maybe 10 others around the bar and about 8 "staff" lingering about. After a couple beers the girl who first approached me came over again and we started some small talk. I started to sort of like her cute smile so I thought what harm can a couple of games of pool do. Upstairs we went and played a bunch of games. I think she let me win most of them but didn't ask me once for a drink. All the while she was making advances towards me but they were subtle. Like you were with a new girlfriend. After I had about 3 more beers which she graciously got for me I finally offered her a drink. She accepted and we played some more pool. I met some other expats hanging around the other pool table and shot the shit with them. Really cool atmosphere. Before I knew it I was wasted and it was near closing time. I think I maybe bought her 3 drinks all night none of which were pressured. Total bill was under 1000 baht. She didn't even talk about money or ST/LT she just followed me out and asked to go dancing. Well I thought why not but after my go go experience I was walking - no cabs getting run around the city like a fool. One of the blokes I met at the bar also from Oz came along with the chick he was hanging with for the night as well. We walked down to spicy which is an after hours club. Mainly rap music and we got a couple drinks. I paid her cover which wasn't much. Then we find a table just off the dance floor and this chick starts going off. She's grinding on me like i'm Akon and we're having a great time. We stayed for about 45 minutes when my mate and his chick took off. We then danced a bit more and finally she asked if I wanted to go. I said fuck ya and we left back to my hotel on Soi 2. All this time she still never mentioned anything about money. We got back to my room and showered. Then off to the bed for some DFK and light touching and then she blew me like a champ on the bed. I decided to return the favour for her which she seemed to enjoy. Then we fucked like rabbits. All in all I came twice and after being as drunk as I was this was a feat. We finally passed out together her in my arms and the next thing I know I'm waking up to some more DFK. I normally ain't too interested in this after a night of debauchery since my breath probably smelled like last nights skunky beer but she was acting so GFE with me I couldn't resist. We fucked again and I was happy. This was by far by best experience in Bangkok so far (even better than Akane which was amazing). We got up and I offered her for breakfast at the hotel. She obliged and for someone who is maybe 100 lbs man can she eat. And she's not shy about it either. We had a great breakfast talking some more and then back up to the room where I got out 3000K + 500 tip for her and without her asking I just gave it to her. I fully expected her to now be on her way especially after the money changed hands but nope. She jumped back into bed with me and we watched two movies with a blow job intermission. I couldn't believe my luck. This chick has made me cum 4 times in a 16 hour period. I don' think she would have left but I said I had to go for a fitting for some suits I got made. She offered to get me a SIM card for my phone for 40 baht and asked if I'd see her again tonight. Fucking right she will. I don't know where the big mango gets their girls from but not only are they decent looking (not stunners) but man they know how to service.
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Beagleface
12-28-08, 01:16
Going mid Fed to BKK, 2nd trip. 10 days. I debated whether to do BKK or FKK and the plunging pound has set me off to BKK. My first trip was nice, not spectacular. Preferred Soi Cowbay to Nana. Think I had too high expectations overall.
Is pattaya worth a visit? Sounds like it might be, just wondering about what others think. Can anyone recommend a hotel (not too expensive and girl friendly--like Majestic Suites on Sukhumvit Rd in BKK).
NicFrenchy
12-28-08, 02:46
What are you doing home at 10:15 p.m. on a Saturday night?
I had a very boring night last night. Alone and watching DVDs. I guess everyone deserves a day off Sex :D
M P Lurker
12-28-08, 03:49
I had a very boring night last night. Alone and watching DVDs. I guess everyone deserves a day off Sex :D
I had to go to bed early too. Had a day off too ....
but for me was day off alcohol as needed maximum strength. LOL
ReallyaNiceGuy
12-28-08, 08:01
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The first time I was in BKK was 4 years ago on business and Patpong was not far from the Peninsula Hotel, company paid for it, so it was the first place I visited. I wanted to walk down memory lane so I went there last night.
I went into several of the places with the girls dancing on stage but it felt just like Nana and I wanted something different.
I walked around a bit and then, for whatever reason, I went into Super Queen, one of the sleazy joints there. I was joined by an older lady, said she was 35, that was only wearing a G-String with her big tits sticking out. She was really fun to be with, i.e., DFK and groping while we were sitting there, I bought her a drink and soon we were off to the room in the back. She was a sex fiend and one of the best f**ks I’ve had.
Mike
ThaiLearner
12-28-08, 12:36
Going mid Fed to BKK, 2nd trip. 10 days. I debated whether to do BKK or FKK and the plunging pound has set me off to BKK. My first trip was nice, not spectacular. Preferred Soi Cowbay to Nana. Think I had too high expectations overall.
Is pattaya worth a visit? Sounds like it might be, just wondering about what others think. Can anyone recommend a hotel (not too expensive and girl friendly--like Majestic Suites on Sukhumvit Rd in BKK).
As soon as you get out of the airport head towards Pattaya I much prefer it
Retired Army
12-28-08, 15:42
Is pattaya worth a visit? Sounds like it might be, just wondering about what others think.
Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.
Retired Army
12-28-08, 15:44
I had a very boring night last night. Alone and watching DVDs. I guess everyone deserves a day off Sex :D
Titanic was on Star Movies last night. Gets the little lady all weapy and with a bottle of wine from Villa Market puts her in the mood.
Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's [Pattaya] the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.
I respect your opinions, RA, but wonder what the reasons are behind your undisguised contempt for Pattaya, as the “asshole of Thailand,” which seems to border upon hatred. I’ve lived here a fair amount of time now and just don’t see any rational basis for it. Surely it cannot be the level of prostitution which prevails for the benefit of us mongers? Yet I assume your opinion has something to do with mongering. Did you have a bad experience here once?
You often talk about your experiences at the Pegasus Club in Bangkok, and other ‘higher class’ adult entertainment venues, where I assume you enjoyed your share of the P4P ladies, (before you acquired your lovely ideal Thai wife of course). Granted, these types of establishments are not common in Pattaya, nor, I imagine, are the most educated and sophisticated girls in the business. Maybe the girls in Bangkok are prettier as well, (I doubt it), but I do know that those ‘high class’ ladies you favor are just as much prostitutes as the shabbiest hooker trolling her wares along Beach Road. And a sex monger is a sex monger whether he’s in Bangkok or Pattaya.
So what is your beef with Pattaya? Yes, the lower prices in Pattaya attract some unsavory people, but the same kinds of people can be found on the lower Suk in Bangkok. The only difference I see is that the majority of mongers in Pattaya are either expats or tourists on holiday, while the majorities in Bangkok are business men who usually have a lot more money to spend. So mongers in Pattaya generally wear short pants and sandals while those in Bangkok wear suits and ties. Is this what makes Pattaya the “asshole of Thailand”?
What is it that I have to learn the hard way that I don’t already know?
I respect your opinions, RA, but wonder what the reasons are behind your undisguised contempt for Pattaya, as the “asshole of Thailand,” which seems to border upon hatred. I’ve lived here a fair amount of time now and just don’t see any rational basis for it. Surely it cannot be the level of prostitution which prevails for the benefit of us mongers? Yet I assume your opinion has something to do with mongering. Did you have a bad experience here once?
You often talk about your experiences at the Pegasus Club in Bangkok, and other ‘higher class’ adult entertainment venues, where I assume you enjoyed your share of the P4P ladies, (before you acquired your lovely ideal Thai wife of course). Granted, these types of establishments are not common in Pattaya, nor, I imagine, are the most educated and sophisticated girls in the business. Maybe the girls in Bangkok are prettier as well, (I doubt it), but I do know that those ‘high class’ ladies you favor are just as much prostitutes as the shabbiest hooker trolling her wares along Beach Road. And a sex monger is a sex monger whether he’s in Bangkok or Pattaya.
So what is your beef with Pattaya? Yes, the lower prices in Pattaya attract some unsavory people, but the same kinds of people can be found on the lower Suk in Bangkok. The only difference I see is that the majority of mongers in Pattaya are either expats or tourists on holiday, while the majorities in Bangkok are business men who usually have a lot more money to spend. So mongers in Pattaya generally wear short pants and sandals while those in Bangkok wear suits and ties. Is this what makes Pattaya the “asshole of Thailand”?
What is it that I have to learn the hard way that I don’t already know?I've been to Pattaya twice and I'm now in the process of planning my third trip. I'm having a difficult time deciding whether to spend a few days in Bangkok, and your comments hit home with me. What I love about Pattaya is that you can walk around all the time in shorts and sandals without ever having to put on long pants.
Is Bangkok a dressier place? Yours is the first comment I've ever seen on this forum about what to wear. Since BKK is a more cosmopolitan city, is it normal to wear business clothes? Do any of the restaurants and/or bars have dress codes? Your answer will be most appreciated.
Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.
I agree. Pattaya is the "asshole" of thailand and all the Thais agree. I, however, like the "asshole" of Thailand, b/c it is cheaper than overpriced BKK. There are a few diamonds in the rough, but you got to know how to find them.
It is a dump and quality is hard to come by especially these days, but it is cheap. 500-1000 ST. My advice to others is if you like the city game and like to spend lots of cash on decent quality *****s, stick to bkk. If your a cheap charlie and like dregs, head down to pattaya.
Professor 1
12-28-08, 20:42
I walked around a bit and then, for whatever reason, I went into Super Queen, one of the sleazy joints there. I was joined by an older lady, said she was 35, that was only wearing a G-String with her big tits sticking out. She was really fun to be with, i.e., DFK and groping while we were sitting there, I bought her a drink and soon we were off to the room in the back. She was a sex fiend and one of the best f**ks I’ve had.
She looks good for a 35 year old Asian girl with mileage. Yes, I would have done that. :)
El Frances
12-28-08, 21:56
Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.
The only problem in Pattaya is that the beach is not clean and also that it has some distinctive flavour of these holiday spots favoured by hords of british people in spain. Having said this, it remains that Pattaya has the best price/quality ratio compared to Bangkok or Phuket. It doesn't mean that the girls are less beautifull, unless maybe if you target the top range around 5000 in BKK. It means that for the same quality, you would need to pay 50% to 100% more in BKK or Phuket (i.e. 1000/1500 instead of 2000 in BKK is commonly found). Hotels, food, massage etc.. are also cheaper. If you have nothing special to do in Bangkok, better to go directly to Pattaya (Taxi fare cost max 1000 THB, i.e. Mr T taxi service).
Member #3428
12-28-08, 22:14
Is pattaya worth a visit? Sounds like it might be, just wondering about what others think.
I think you should go, I think everyone should visit it atleast once if you're a monger. Personally, I do not enjoy Pattaya and much prefer BKK. But you won't know until you go and no one here can tell you if you'd like it or not. You'll have to find out yourself.
I just would be ready to leave and head back to BKK early if you don't like it and / or stay longer if you do like it.
Asshole Big
12-28-08, 23:16
Beware Thieves on Sukhumvit
By AB
I'm sure many are aware of the thieves on Sukhumvit but I just thought I would share my views on it. I live in Phrom Pong and walk down to Nana or Asoke 3 or 4 times every week, and I can assure people that the number of thieves and the levels of aggression are both increasing.
The hot spot is certainly near Asoke BTS between Soi 19 and Soi 21 intersection after 1 AM. They hang around at the foot of the BTS steps where it is most difficult to pass. Ladyboys are the biggest offender but ordinary girls are at it too.
My advice to people may go against the grain in Thailand, but under no circumstances be nice or friendly to these people. IT DOESN'T WORK! You have to be firm and when you see one approaching tell them not to touch you and really look like you mean it. Raise your voice if necessary, however DO NOT tell them to "fuck off" or you may inflame the situation towards violence.
If you have to get physical, don't throw punches. On Saturday night around 3 AM (at Asoke BTS) I was very aggressively hassled, to the point where I grabbed "IT" by the shoulders and moved "IT" away from me, while telling "IT" in no uncertain terms to leave me alone. One of its friends came over and asked "Why you push my friend? ", but I just walked off. A moment or two later I heard someone getting quite upset, and turned round to see the same creatures all over an elderly gentleman. He was really getting quite panicky so I went back and told them to get away from him and this time I did shout, receiving some very pouty looks in return.
However this was not the end of my Saturday night hassle. There even seem to be kids in the age range of about 8.14 hanging around Sukhumvit road, near Soi 22. They are carrying something in plastic bags (though I don't know what) and try the old routine of sticking the bags in your chest, no doubt with the intention of distracting you in order to pick you clean. Again, be very firm when you see them coming and if they get too close, push them away (not violently). These are horrible little kids and I actually feel like punching them more than the ladyboys.
Even last night my wife was walking to the BTS with my son when some Thai snatched a bag from a western woman in front of her. However, what was good about this was the fact that Thai market sellers chased the thief and gave him a good kicking. What was even more worrying was that a market seller warned my wife (who is Thai) not to keep any valuable in her handbag as there are many thefts there each week. Also people are having chains ripped from their neck!
Personally, I think this is a problem that is going to get much worse to the point of becoming dangerous. I lived in Belfast during the troubles, so I am not easily perturbed. However, I reckon that the worsening economic situation all over is going to increase desperation for money and this I fear will lead to more desperate measures to get money.
Personally, I have not yet feared for my personal safety, but my biggest worry is maybe losing my cool, whacking someone and then getting the sh1t kicked out of me. I love walking home in the cooler times and it's the only thing that keeps me slim on my unhealthy weekend diet. However, I've always believed in percentages and the more I walk that walk, eventually something bad is going to happen to me.
My advice:
1) Don't bring credit cards out with you, unless you're only going for a meal.
2) Don't bring any more cash than you need for a normal night out. I would suggest not even to take an ATM card but some nights can get a bit wild and extra funds may be needed!
3) When walking home, put everything in the one pocket. Keys, money, cards and don't take your hand out of that pocket. If wearing jeans keep it in the front pockets as these are much tighter.
I've always promoted the safety of Bangkok, and while it is still much safer than most western cities it is moving fast in the wrong direction.
Stickman's thoughts:
Things are most certainly getting worse and this is a timely reminder.
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I think you should go, I think everyone should visit it atleast once if you're a monger. Personally, I do not enjoy Pattaya and much prefer BKK. But you won't know until you go and no one here can tell you if you'd like it or not. You'll have to find out yourself.
I just would be ready to leave and head back to BKK early if you don't like it and / or stay longer if you do like it.
Beagleface, my brother said it best.
I went there 3 or 4 years ago, with an open mind. I booked a hotel for 4 nights, I left after 2 nights, and have not gone back. just not my cup of tea. but who knows, you could absolutely love it, so go, give it a try, and decide for yourself.
The only problem in Pattaya is that the beach is not clean and also that it has some distinctive flavour of these holiday spots favoured by hords of british people in spain. Having said this, it remains that Pattaya has the best price/quality ratio compared to Bangkok or Phuket. It doesn't mean that the girls are less beautifull, unless maybe if you target the top range around 5000 in BKK. It means that for the same quality, you would need to pay 50% to 100% more in BKK or Phuket (i.e. 1000/1500 instead of 2000 in BKK is commonly found). Hotels, food, massage etc.. are also cheaper. If you have nothing special to do in Bangkok, better to go directly to Pattaya (Taxi fare cost max 1000 THB, i.e. Mr T taxi service).
Too true -- agree completely. I live in BKK but I go down to Pattaya about once a month. Everything is cheaper in Pattaya. Happy hours are great - 45 baht for a draft in a go-go. You will not find that anywhere in Bangers - 80 baht is the cheapest during happy hour on Cowboy. And the food is extremely cheap as well. 200 baht will get you fish and chips while it's 300+ in BKK. The girls are also much cheaper, however, I have found benefits to living in BKK.
I have barfined girls on Cowboy and paid them 1000 baht for long time. But this is at the end of the night on a weekday usually. And the showgirls will not go for less than 2000 usually unless it's really slow. I've found my regulars, though. They're always happy to receive a phone call from me whenever I've got the urge. I just scroll down my rolodex and pick the one I want, whether it's big titties, nice ass, GFE, or all of the above if I'm lucky! I've found that living here....I've found my own stunners and developed relationships with them. I call them up and they're more than happy to come over for 1000 baht if they're not busy. The only problem is that they sometimes call me a bit too often and it's sometimes hard to resist them!
Beagleface
12-29-08, 02:49
I agree.
It is a dump and quality is hard to come by especially these days, but it is cheap. 500-1000 ST. My advice to others is if you like the city game and like to spend lots of cash on decent quality *****s, stick to bkk. If your a cheap charlie and like dregs, head down to pattaya.Well, I'm not looking for dregs tho a bargain is always nice to find. I'd much rather pay a little more for a very pretty girlie. The most disappointing thing about BKK for me is the number of mothers. I really do prefer the girls not have kids. I've been spoiled by the FKK clubs--very pretty Euro girls, very, very few are mothers, very few older than 24.
Opinions around the web seem to differ wildly about Pattaya. Some call it 'asshole of T', others say there's plenty of stunners at the gogos. I kind of doubt the latter but that may just be my ignorance.
That said, I had pretty good luck with the BKK streetwalkers, tho I definitely steer clear of the older ones, or ones who look like they have 3 kids at home. Although probably my favorite one from last tripe was a mother with 1 kid, a streetwalker too. I guess I'll never grow up because I just really like them under 28.
But on my last trip to FKK I fell utterly and truly in love with a lady of 30 years who had a 5 year old boy. Go figure.
NicFrenchy
12-29-08, 03:33
Titanic was on Star Movies last night. Gets the little lady all weapy and with a bottle of wine from Villa Market puts her in the mood.
A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do :D
However Titanic is a Looonnnnggggg movie, you might lose your hard-on by the time the credits come ;)
I'll chime in briefly regarding Pattaya - obviously I prefer it to the point of strenuously avoiding Bangkok.
It isn't just about price and service, though those are certainly better in Pattaya, and 'quality' is the same.
It is more about overall atmosphere - in Bangkok one is in the middle of a large, unpleasant, expensive, workaday city full of the horror of Normal People while in Pattaya one is in the world capital of sex tourism where the great majority of females parading past the eye are prostitutes. I'll let you all imagine which is more salubrious for the masculine holiday-maker.
The fantasy lives, for the moment, in Pattaya, but Bangkok is just another polluted, hectic, tense city.
NicFrenchy
12-29-08, 04:25
Not in my opinion. As far as I am concerned it's the ass hole of Thailand. But go anyway, some people have to learn the hard way. The only thing it has going for it are the prices. It's considerably cheaper than BKK.
I think that RA was referring to the Monger's scene in Pattaya.
There are some areas of Pattaya though that are very nice for a holiday (away from Mongering areas and far away from the low lives Farangs). If you stick to the Mongers Areas, then I guess it would be like spending time between Patpong and Khao san road only.
Member #3428
12-29-08, 04:35
There are some areas of Pattaya though that are very nice for a holiday (away from Mongering areas and far away from the low lives Farangs).
Nic can you clarify, are you talking about areas of Pattaya or areas of Chonburi that are nice for holiday?
I'm serious as I like many areas in Chonburi, but my visits to Pattaya are not ranking up there. So maybe I've stayed the wrong places, the wrong time of year, the wrong whatever...
But to me, Pattaya is either a place you love or you hate. Very little middle of the road opinion about the place IMHO.
M P Lurker
12-29-08, 10:24
A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do :D
However Titanic is a Looonnnnggggg movie, you might lose your hard-on by the time the credits come ;)
Tried watching a movie with Yok. Never got that far as she likes to play. Soon the play would take over. She is not one of those girls that gets distracted by movies on the TV.
How come I never had a wife/GF like that (always ready for it and starts up of her own accord often). Maybe I did have a GF or two like that, but not for long as they were crazy girls.
Beagleface
12-29-08, 11:38
I'll chime in briefly regarding Pattaya - obviously I prefer it to the point of strenuously avoiding Bangkok.
It isn't just about price and service, though those are certainly better in Pattaya, and 'quality' is the same.
It is more about overall atmosphere - in Bangkok one is in the middle of a large, unpleasant, expensive, workaday city full of the horror of Normal People while in Pattaya one is in the world capital of sex tourism where the great majority of females parading past the eye are prostitutes. I'll let you all imagine which is more salubrious for the masculine holiday-maker.
The fantasy lives, for the moment, in Pattaya, but Bangkok is just another polluted, hectic, tense city.
'City full of horror'. I know exactly what you mean, living in London, grew up in NYC. For me, quality is everything although a beautiful but ice cold girl can really be a downer. If quality is poor, then 'females parading past the eye' might not be as much fun as it could be. I'm a simple man, just looking for some cuties to spend some time with. If Pattaya is a city of skanks I won't like it, some seem to say it is, others say there's real gems about. Guess I'll have to find out myself.
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Retired Army
12-29-08, 15:22
I respect your opinions, RA, but wonder what the reasons are behind your undisguised contempt for Pattaya, as the “asshole of Thailand,” which seems to border upon hatred. I’ve lived here a fair amount of time now and just don’t see any rational basis for it. Surely it cannot be the level of prostitution which prevails for the benefit of us mongers? Yet I assume your opinion has something to do with mongering. Did you have a bad experience here once?
You often talk about your experiences at the Pegasus Club in Bangkok, and other ‘higher class’ adult entertainment venues, where I assume you enjoyed your share of the P4P ladies, (before you acquired your lovely ideal Thai wife of course). Granted, these types of establishments are not common in Pattaya, nor, I imagine, are the most educated and sophisticated girls in the business. Maybe the girls in Bangkok are prettier as well, (I doubt it), but I do know that those ‘high class’ ladies you favor are just as much prostitutes as the shabbiest hooker trolling her wares along Beach Road. And a sex monger is a sex monger whether he’s in Bangkok or Pattaya.
So what is your beef with Pattaya? Yes, the lower prices in Pattaya attract some unsavory people, but the same kinds of people can be found on the lower Suk in Bangkok. The only difference I see is that the majority of mongers in Pattaya are either expats or tourists on holiday, while the majorities in Bangkok are business men who usually have a lot more money to spend. So mongers in Pattaya generally wear short pants and sandals while those in Bangkok wear suits and ties. Is this what makes Pattaya the “asshole of Thailand”?
What is it that I have to learn the hard way that I don’t already know?
Just my opinion, and opinions are like assholes. We all have them and they all smell the same. I first went to Pattaya in 1973 on R&R and I remember it as a sleepy little fishing village with only one paved road. To see what it has become in the last 35 years disgusts me. It's not the girls, or the bars or anything such as that. I think what turns me off the most about Pattaya is what I can best describe as "Euro trash." Not that there is much difference from the regular "trash" on finds in BKK.
Retired Army
12-29-08, 15:26
I've been to Pattaya twice and I'm now in the process of planning my third trip. I'm having a difficult time deciding whether to spend a few days in Bangkok, and your comments hit home with me. What I love about Pattaya is that you can walk around all the time in shorts and sandals without ever having to put on long pants.
Is Bangkok a dressier place? Yours is the first comment I've ever seen on this forum about what to wear. Since BKK is a more cosmopolitan city, is it normal to wear business clothes? Do any of the restaurants and/or bars have dress codes? Your answer will be most appreciated.
As far as I know, there is no dress code in BKK that is any different than Pattaya. I was refering to particular up-scale gentlemens clubs where proper attire is mandatory.
I just don't like Pattaya, nothing more, nothing less. Other people love it and that's fine. It's just personal preference. I know BKK better that I do Pattaya because of the amount of time I have spent here so that probably makes the difference.
Retired Army
12-29-08, 15:31
I agree. Pattaya is the "asshole" of thailand and all the Thais agree. I, however, like the "asshole" of Thailand, b/c it is cheaper than overpriced BKK. There are a few diamonds in the rough, but you got to know how to find them.
It is a dump and quality is hard to come by especially these days, but it is cheap. 500-1000 ST. My advice to others is if you like the city game and like to spend lots of cash on decent quality *****s, stick to bkk. If your a cheap charlie and like dregs, head down to pattaya.
I remember, probably 20 years ago, there was a huge pipe about one meter in diameter right on the beach in Pattya that dumped raw sewage directly into the Gulf of thailand. About 100 meters up the beach were swimmers and seafood restaurants. Ever since I haven't wanted to return to Pattaya.
Retired Army
12-29-08, 15:33
I think you should go, I think everyone should visit it atleast once if you're a monger. Personally, I do not enjoy Pattaya and much prefer BKK. But you won't know until you go and no one here can tell you if you'd like it or not. You'll have to find out yourself.
I just would be ready to leave and head back to BKK early if you don't like it and / or stay longer if you do like it.
Absolutely, you should go once and form your own opinion. If you like it stay. If you don't, go to BKK. Buses run every hour.
Retired Army
12-29-08, 15:38
A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do :D
However Titanic is a Looonnnnggggg movie, you might lose your hard-on by the time the credits come ;)
Levitra lasts for at least eight hours, so no problem. I hate Leonard Decrapio, but my wife has fantasies about him so I just yell "I'm the king of the world" as I mount her.
Zerocoolbkk
12-29-08, 16:13
I remember, probably 20 years ago, there was a huge pipe about one meter in diameter right on the beach in Pattya that dumped raw sewage directly into the Gulf of thailand. About 100 meters up the beach were swimmers and seafood restaurants. Ever since I haven't wanted to return to Pattaya.RA,
HaHa, I remember that. The only people swimming out there were Nigerians. I have a photo somewhere.
There are a few nice hotels there and it was fun to see, but I am not crazy about it there. The prices are cheaper though and more fun to go with a group.
Cheers,
Zero
Cunning Stunt
12-29-08, 17:12
I remember, probably 20 years ago, there was a huge pipe about one meter in diameter right on the beach in Pattya that dumped raw sewage directly into the Gulf of thailand. About 100 meters up the beach were swimmers and seafood restaurants. Ever since I haven't wanted to return to Pattaya.
I think that the pipe is still there - they have just scrimmed it up a bit better and run it further out to sea. But, no doubt if the tide is coming in - then so is the raw sewage. Swimming at Pattaya must rank with the bareback ass reaming of a Beach Road w**** as to level of comparable risk. If the microbes don't get you then a drunk Russian tourist on a Jet Ski probably will. And yet people still swim out there!
Mind you, Pattaya is Monte Carlo in comparison with The Philippine beachless shithole version!
ThaiLearner
12-29-08, 17:33
Just my opinion, and opinions are like assholes. We all have them and they all smell the same. I first went to Pattaya in 1973 on R&R and I remember it as a sleepy little fishing village with only one paved road. To see what it has become in the last 35 years disgusts me. It's not the girls, or the bars or anything such as that. I think what turns me off the most about Pattaya is what I can best describe as "Euro trash." Not that there is much difference from the regular "trash" on finds in BKK.
I can understand from where you are comming from you would like it to be the sleepy fishing village but hey places change soon for better some for worse.
Sorry but can you explain "Euro Trash"????
ThaiLearner
12-29-08, 17:37
As far as I know, there is no dress code in BKK that is any different than Pattaya. I was refering to particular up-scale gentlemens clubs where proper attire is mandatory.
I just don't like Pattaya, nothing more, nothing less. Other people love it and that's fine. It's just personal preference. I know BKK better that I do Pattaya because of the amount of time I have spent here so that probably makes the difference.
Thats may be why I like Pattaya better I just have spent more time there and have explored it more.
ThaiLearner
12-29-08, 17:40
Absolutely, you should go once and form your own opinion. If you like it stay. If you don't, go to BKK. Buses run every hour.
Too right but don't just go to to the airport(BKK) (sorry LOL) Bangkok how about exploring more may be Chang Mai, Phuket or Koh Samui.
Cunning Stunt
12-29-08, 18:21
Sorry but can you explain "Euro Trash"????
I think its a pompous ass Americanism meaning the loud, belching, shaven headed, multi-tattooed, beer gutted species of humanity, usually British, that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year. May be wrong though!!
Beagleface
12-29-08, 20:01
Thats may be why I like Pattaya better I just have spent more time there and have explored it more.Thailearner and others.- since you know Pattaya, where should I go in Pattaya? I'm looking for better looking girls who aren't ice cold. Not looking for the cheapest girls, although if they are pretty and cheap, that is good too of course.
Anyone ever stayed at the Queen Vic? Rooms look nice but it is on Soi 6 which sounds like the very centre of it all (?)
I think its a pompous ass Americanism meaning the loud, belching, shaven headed, multi-tattooed, beer gutted species of humanity, usually British, that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year. May be wrong though!!
No I think those are yobs or chavs, aren't they? I think 'Eurotrash' means a certain sort of slick, greasy, cologned Continental who one often finds in discos and whatnot.
As far as I know, there is no dress code in BKK that is any different than Pattaya.
There are some places that don't allow tank tops shorts and sandals in bkk. Skybar is one place that comes to mind.
Charlie Horse
12-29-08, 21:53
from Urban Dictionary-
A drug addicted, skinny, pale, sarcastic,trust fund baby, clubbing every night, male/female. eurotrash have keen fashion sense and often aren't european. they often go to university full time, but skip most of their classes and have no major. they don't get kicked out and they don't have any visible form of income but live lavishly. eurotrash don't bathe, smile or wash their hair on a regular basis so they may reek of perfumes and colognes.
I think that a hooligan is a more accurate description-
a rowdy and typically young brawler vandal or trouble maker; a punk.
Cunning Stunt
12-30-08, 01:45
No I think those are yobs or chavs, aren't they? I think 'Eurotrash' means a certain sort of slick, greasy, cologned Continental who one often finds in discos and whatnot.
Cannot imagine he meant the true definition of 'eurotrash'. Do you find many 'slick, greasy, cologned Continentals' in Pattaya? Maybe you do but its not their normal habitat. Chavs are Burberry'd, blinged, Essex sink estate yobbo's so I think yobs is his more likely meaning. Except Yob (backward boy) is a uniquely British word which he probably doesn't use. Its nearest American equivalent is likely to be 'trailer trash'. Maybe that is the word he meant to use but didn't want to imply that low class Americans frequent Pattaya (God forbid!!).
Cue RA.
I think its a pompous ass Americanism meaning the loud, belching, shaven headed, multi-tattooed, beer gutted species of humanity, usually British, that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year. May be wrong though!!
Okay ...... Let's start from the top .....
"Loud" - nope, not me, I think
"Belching" - yep, can't help it, it's the beer mostly, but I do think I'm discrete about it
"shaven headed" - yep, no denying that one
"beer gutted species of humanity" - bugger, that's me to a tee, unfortunately - okay, I'll work on reducing that
"usually British" - usually, by birth, I am, can't get away from it
"that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year" - thought this might be my get out clause but on consideration it might not be! I could maybe be classed as a heathen as I don't worship any faith and have descended on Pattaya each of the last two years and, despite my reservations will probably visit there as a wing-man in March 09
Despite all the above logical argument, I don't consider myself Eurotrash but I do empathise with the intent of the definition. Maybe needs something in there about Union Flag shorts and sleeveless T if being applied to Brits only.
There is stuff I could say following my last visit to Pattaya regarding observations of the tourist milieu but I would not like to be drawn into comments about nationalities or the like. But, there are some predominant expat nationalities in Pattaya that do push my personal levels of tolerance.
Nuff said as far as I'm concerned.
Cunning Stunt
12-30-08, 02:35
To Sonic Bam - Hahaha but nah sorry mate - you don't qualify for that exclusive club. You have to have tattoo's of the badge and name of your home football club emblazoned in large letters over your ample chest and 'Engerland' and the 3 lions on your back.
Otherwise you might just qualify to the proud moniker of Pattaya Yobbo Eurotrash.
Suggest you work on it!!
ReallyaNiceGuy
12-30-08, 03:14
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Took the Skytrain from Nana around 9:30 PM to Patpong, walked around, went into a few places, if I’d wanted girls dancing on a stage I could have stayed at Nana, so I was hitting the little upstairs places, one place had to have the fattest women in Thailand dancing around naked, ended up at a little place called Kangaroo’s Club. I went up the stairs and heard a bell ring announcing that someone was headed up, it was small, had an L-Shaped couch with about 8 girls/women and a bar with maybe 6 stools, I sit down, I’m the only customer in the place and I’m surrounded by 4 of them, ones kind of cute and has a way about her, I ask her to sit down, we talk and I spot this sign on the wall, my mouth drops and I look shocked, I’m not really, she ask what’s wrong, I point to the sign, she laughs and said yea that’s what we do here, it said “We give the best blowjobs in Bangkok”. Really, how much, 800 for just a BJ and 1300 for sex, is that a BBBJ until I finish, yea it is where do you want to finish, in your mouth, OK but I wouldn’t swallow, I’m OK with that but 800’s too much how about 600 and if I’m happy I’ll tip you 200, she agrees and we go into the back.
She strips and then undresses me, I sit back in the beat-up old chair, she get on her knees and proceeds to give one hell of a BBBJ and I cum in her mouth.
Now it gets interesting, all the time she was blowing me she was rubbing/fingering herself and after I came she was hot as hell and wanted me to f**k her, I told her I would love to but not for 1300, she said she didn’t care about that but don’t tell them outside we had sex too, OK lets go. I got a condom out of my pocket and gave it to her, she got back down on her knees and sucked me until I was hard, thanks vitamin “V”, put the cover on then she sat/laid on the chair and I pounded for all I was worth, she came but wanted more, had her turn around with her knees on the arms of the chair so she would be the right height and it spread her wide for standing doggie, grabbed her by the waist for leverage and hit it hard, she came again, I didn’t but it was cool. We dressed and returned to the front, I finished my Coke and left. I went back to the Skytrain around 11:30/45 PM and back to Nana.
June gave me her number and wants me to come back. She called the next day but I didn’t answer.
Gee, yesterday I had May and today I had June, if I’d gone back I wonder if I’d found July?
Mike
ReallyaNiceGuy
12-30-08, 03:16
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After I walked back up to Nana, and my rousing round with May, I was tired and hungry so I went to the McDonalds before heading all the way up to Nanatai Mansion. After about an hour I headed home but along the way one of the street girls got my attention, she was a cute little thing, looked so sad, said she wasn’t from around here, 30 km away, didn’t know anyone here so she was alone, had been there 4 hours and really needed some money. I explained that I’d just had a girl and couldn’t boom-boom so I was sorry I couldn’t help her, she offered to give me just a massage if I wanted, sounded interesting so I asked how much for just a massage and she said it was up to me, so I said look, I can get one hour massages all over for 150 to 250 how much do you want and again she said it’s up to you, I said if you’re not going to tell me what you want I have to go and walked away. I walked a ways thinking about her and went back and told her I’d give her 300 for a massage, she countered with 500 for a massage and a BJ, I’m thinking I really don’t need another BJ today and I’m sure not going to give her 500 for a massage but I was getting a little tingle down below, she said she was very good at BJ’s and she would give me “power”, pointing her finger straight, Oh really and if you give me power for boom-boom how much will that be, 1000, I said I’ll give you 400 for the massage and the BJ and if you give me “power” and I can boom-boom I’ll give you 800, she moaned and groaned and then I said if you give me a good massage and BJ I’ll give you 400 and if you make me happy I’ll tip you 100 and if you give me “power” and we boom-boom 800 and I’m happy I’ll tip you 200. We had a little language problem but we got it worked out and she was willing to go along with what I offered, she gave me a big wet kiss and we were off to my hotel.
On the way she held my hand/arm, wrapped her arms around my waist and was very warm and friendly, I’m starting to like this girl.
The only name she would give me was “A”, said she was 25 but then corrected herself saying she wouldn’t be 25 until January 6th, said she was from a very small town way up north and her family, mother, father, brother, sister and her moved to BKK 5 years ago, they were very poor, her father couldn’t work because he had been in an accident and her mother was a maid cleaning condos, her sister didn’t work because she had 3 kids, her brother was lazy, and she worked part-time at a massage place near her home outside BKK but there were not any customers so it didn’t pay much. She said she had come to Nana one other time but nobody picked her. Note: This is just what she said and it may or may not have been the truth, but I just listened and acted interested.
When we got to the hotel she gave her ID the guy out front and up to my room, she thought it was beautiful, come on it’s Nanatai Mansion at 900 Baht a night, but it has solid walls and where she lives they’re wood, it has hot water and she doesn’t have that, and it’s big compared to the whole house where 8 people live, so maybe it is nice after all.
We sit on the bed and soon we’re in each other’s arms DFK, total GFE. She asks if she can take a shower, of course and there’s shampoo and conditioner there too, she loves that, strips right there in front of me, wow what a great little body she has, I’m starting to feel the “power” already, I tell her how beautiful and sexy I think she is and she poses for me, I get out the camera and she has fun doing different poses and looking at them on the camera, some she didn’t like and asked me to delete it so she can try it again, we’re having a great time. She goes in the shower, still talking to me telling me how much she likes the shower, takes a nice long shower, comes out and then I go in, when I come out she’s on the bed waiting for me, so sexy. I joined her and it became clear that there wasn’t going to be any massage because we were together totality making out, DFK GFE, and the fun began. Great BBBJ, ball licking/sucking, 69, condom, she gets on top and it takes a while but she gets all the way down and then just holds still pressing down on me, she cums, holds me tight and then F**fs me good, she comfortable with it now so we switch to mish, she cums again, switch to doggie but she has a hard time with it so we switch to spoon, I came at last and “A” was thrilled. We lay together for about 30 minutes, she showered again, and while she was getting dressed she wanted me to take some more photos, we talked some more and when she said she had to go I got out her payment, I gave her 1000 plus 200 tip, she was worth every it.
I gave her my number but she didn’t call the next day.
Mike
I took the next day off and made plans to leave BKK, headed south, the next day. I’ll be back to BKK on my way home in a few weeks.
Retired Army
12-30-08, 03:29
Sorry but can you explain "Euro Trash"????
I don't have a definitation for Euro Trash. I just know it when I see it.
I use to see a lot of it in Russia and East Europe. What I describe as newly rich, wearing cheap clothes, rude, with no class, taste, education or manners. Just money to throw around demanding service and treating people like servants.
That's just my opinion, others are welcome.
BTW, we have a similiar class of people in the U.S. My family was usually referred to "white trash" because we took the wheels off our house every time we had to move, had perfectly good cars up on blocks in the front yard and major appliances on the front porch.
Retired Army
12-30-08, 03:33
I think its a pompous ass Americanism meaning the loud, belching, shaven headed, multi-tattooed, beer gutted species of humanity, usually British, that descend on Pattaya in their heathen hordes, in ever increasing numbers, each year. May be wrong though!!
That wasn't what I had in mind when I used the term "Euro Trash." But it will work.
My wife thinks "Euro Trash" means people who can afford to vacation in Thailand, but can't afford to go to the dentist.
Retired Army
12-30-08, 03:39
Cannot imagine he meant the true definition of 'eurotrash'. Do you find many 'slick, greasy, cologned Continentals' in Pattaya? Maybe you do but its not their normal habitat. Chavs are Burberry'd, blinged, Essex sink estate yobbo's so I think yobs is his more likely meaning. Except Yob (backward boy) is a uniquely British word which he probably doesn't use. Its nearest American equivalent is likely to be 'trailer trash'. Maybe that is the word he meant to use but didn't want to imply that low class Americans frequent Pattaya (God forbid!!).
Cue RA.
See my previous post. I think I figured that out already. Being upper trailer trash (we had a double wide) I am a "better" and that's why I subconsciously don't like Pattaya.
Ain't got a clue what is a yob. But I suspect we have something similar in the States.
...Ain't got a clue what is a yob. But I suspect we have something similar in the States.
Yes, we do, indeed.
I've seen all the types described below, (most of whom behave themselves and seem to congragate in their own Pattaya enclaves), but I'm ashamed to say that the ones who offend and irritate the most are not "Euro-trash," but rather the young American Navy servicemen on the USS Abraham Lincoln who invaded Pattaya on shore leave recently.
These assholes were loud, cocky, aggressive, and obnoxious to the point where I decided to prematurly leave the bar shortly after they swaggered in. I hate it when drunken clowns jump up on the stage to dance wildly with the girls, grabbing them; acting like they are god's gift to women and that the audience appreciates their 'talents.' I don't think the girls like it much either.
Thankfully, the ship has since sailed and the fools departed.
Cunning Stunt
12-30-08, 07:41
That wasn't what I had in mind when I used the term "Euro Trash." But it will work.
My wife thinks "Euro Trash" means people who can afford to vacation in Thailand, but can't afford to go to the dentist.
Love your wife's wit - she must be a gem ;).
But now I get your meaning - guys who are allergic to toothpaste and soap.
Did you hear about the Eurotrash Monger who visited a Pattaya dentist one day for a check up. As he looked into the mans mouth, the dentist said,"Did you have oral sex last night?". "To which the man replied "Why, is there a pubic hair stuck in my teeth then?".
The dentist replied,"No, but there is shit on your nose" :D.
That kind of guy?
.. ended up at a little place called Kangaroo’s Club.
Sounds like you had a great time, Mike. Wow, that Kangaroo Club has been going for some years. I recall getting a BJ there back in the late eighties when it was one of the very few places offering this service.
Retired Army
12-30-08, 09:58
Love your wife's wit - she must be a gem ;).
She's wonderful! The kind of Thai woman that most on this board don't believe exists. Most atypical for a Thai. A perfect mix of Western and Thai. Modern in many ways, yet reserved in a lady like Thai way. And she puts me first and ensures I am happy and well cared for.
Retired Army
12-30-08, 10:01
Yes, we do, indeed.
I've seen all the types described below, (most of whom behave themselves and seem to congragate in their own Pattaya enclaves), but I'm ashamed to say that the ones who offend and irritate the most are not "Euro-trash," but rather the young American Navy servicemen on the USS Abraham Lincoln who invaded Pattaya on shore leave recently.
These assholes were loud, cocky, aggressive, and obnoxious to the point where I decided to prematurly leave the bar shortly after they swaggered in. I hate it when drunken clowns jump up on the stage to dance wildly with the girls, grabbing them; acting like they are god's gift to women and that the audience appreciates their 'talents.' I don't think the girls like it much either.
Thankfully, the ship has since sailed and the fools departed.
Another reason for me not to go to Pattaya.
Yet, who can blame them? They are young, dumb and full of cum. Cooped up on a ship with nothing but guys for months at sea. No where to spend their money so they spend like drunken sailors on shore leave.
ThaiLearner
12-30-08, 10:43
Another reason for me not to go to Pattaya.
Yet, who can blame them? They are young, dumb and full of cum. Cooped up on a ship with nothing but guys for months at sea. No where to spend their money so they spend like drunken sailors on shore leave.
On my last trip I went to Patong Beach and Pattaya (June2008) and a couple of nights there was the USA Navy in town.
i spoke to a couple of them and had no problems don't always judge a book by its cover. The bar next to us on Soi Eric a group of them turned up with there own drink (did not buy it in the bar) and there was no respect to any of the staff or girls who worked there. I tried to have a word with one of them and just got a lot of abuse until they Americans I had been speaking
too spoke to them (found out later commanding officers) to sort it out they were not happy with them either. The group were then escorted back to ship.
IMO is that there is always a minority that spoils it or we are ashamed off.
ThaiLearner
12-30-08, 10:46
I don't have a definitation for Euro Trash. I just know it when I see it.
I use to see a lot of it in Russia and East Europe. What I describe as newly rich, wearing cheap clothes, rude, with no class, taste, education or manners. Just money to throw around demanding service and treating people like servants.
That's just my opinion, others are welcome.
BTW, we have a similiar class of people in the U.S. My family was usually referred to "white trash" because we took the wheels off our house every time we had to move, had perfectly good cars up on blocks in the front yard and major appliances on the front porch.
That is one thing I don't like about Pattaya is the Russians and the Arabs all the ones have have had the unpleasure of dealing with are rude and arrogant. They have no respect for others at all.
Another reason for me not to go to Pattaya...
Yeah, well, no one said that Pattaya is perfect, but at least we have more pussy per capita; the beautiful gulf of Siam; cool refreshing sea breezes; and a far more friendly, informal, and relaxed atmosphere than Bangkok -- the blazing hot, smog choked, asphalt jungle of Thailand.
I can put up with a few ugly Americans from time to time for the privilege of living in paradise. :)
Retired Army
12-30-08, 14:40
a far more friendly, informal, and relaxed atmosphere than Bangkok -- the blazing hot, smog choked, asphalt jungle of Thailand.
I can put up with a few ugly Americans from time to time for the privilege of living in paradise. :)
Exactly why I prefer Chiang Mai over BKK.
Retired Army
12-30-08, 14:42
That is one thing I don't like about Pattaya is the Russians and the Arabs all the ones have have had the unpleasure of dealing with are rude and arrogant. They have no respect for others at all.
Russians are Russians, but don't get me started on the Arabs...
Geez, why the sudden 'unpleasure' at Arabs in the Thai threads? They're the most friendly and respectful people I've ever worked with. Maybe there's unpleasure that they are paying more than western punters?
ThaiLearner - I now dub thee "EnglishLearner". 'Unpleasure'? Sheesh.
Geez, why the sudden 'unpleasure' at Arabs in the Thai threads? They're the most friendly and respectful people I've ever worked with. Maybe there's unpleasure that they are paying more than western punters?
ThaiLearner - I now dub thee "EnglishLearner". 'Unpleasure'? Sheesh.
Hummm... do you think that our buddy Osma Bin Laden and his merry band of pranksters might have something do do with it? ;)
Oh, and I'll wager that Thai Learner's first language is not English, but I might be mistaken.
ThaiLearner
12-30-08, 18:14
Geez, why the sudden 'unpleasure' at Arabs in the Thai threads? They're the most friendly and respectful people I've ever worked with. Maybe there's unpleasure that they are paying more than western punters?
ThaiLearner - I now dub thee "EnglishLearner". 'Unpleasure'? Sheesh.
Not at all the ones in Thailand I have found to be rude and arrogant never had a problem with that before .
Sorry but what the hell are you on about I suggest you think before you comment.
ThaiLearner
12-30-08, 18:17
Hummm... do you think that our buddy Osma Bin Laden and his merry band of pranksters might have something do do with it? ;)
Oh, and I'll wager that Thai Learner's first language is not English, but I might be mistaken.
How far from the truth can you be, don't just make assumptions.
I'll wager that Thai Learner's first language is not English, but I might be mistaken.Just ran a check on him: First language is English. Failed first-grade grammar. Left school at 16. Married and divorced twice. Ran to Thailand. Living happily ever after.
I'm jealous.
I remember, probably 20 years ago, there was a huge pipe about one meter in diameter right on the beach in Pattya that dumped raw sewage directly into the Gulf of thailand. About 100 meters up the beach were swimmers and seafood restaurants. Ever since I haven't wanted to return to Pattaya.
ah ah so that means that 20 years ago "eurotrash" was there already! at least they were eurotrash when leaving hte sea after swimming there! lol
On my last trip I went to Patong Beach and Pattaya (June2008) and a couple of nights there was the USA Navy in town.
i spoke to a couple of them and had no problems don't always judge a book by its cover. The bar next to us on Soi Eric a group of them turned up with there own drink (did not buy it in the bar) and there was no respect to any of the staff or girls who worked there. I tried to have a word with one of them and just got a lot of abuse until they Americans I had been speaking
too spoke to them (found out later commanding officers) to sort it out they were not happy with them either. The group were then escorted back to ship.
IMO is that there is always a minority that spoils it or we are ashamed off.
ehmm.... the "ok" guys happened to be, as you mentioned, commanding officers. Do not want to be classy, but certainly they position themselves, in principle!, on the high end, including politeness. True that politeness is not on sale only in High Street, but still...to some degrees looks like it is (on principle, I repeat)
Satrai2000
12-30-08, 23:25
On my last trip I went to Patong Beach and Pattaya (June2008) and a couple of nights there was the USA Navy in town.
I spoke to a couple of them and had no problems don't always judge a book by its cover. The bar next to us on Soi Eric a group of them turned up with there own drink (did not buy it in the bar) and there was no respect to any of the staff or girls who worked there. I tried to have a word with one of them and just got a lot of abuse until they Americans I had been speaking too spoke to them (found out later commanding officers) to sort it out they were not happy with them either. The group were then escorted back to ship. IMO is that there is always a minority that spoils it or we are ashamed off. Few decades ago their asses were severely beaten up by the Vietcong. When they get into the SE-Asian region back something happens in their mind and they start to act and speak like weirdos.
Can anyone plese confirm the opening time for disco and pubs in BKK this Christmas time. Are they open until 06.00am?
I realy need this information
How far from the truth can you be, don't just make assumptions.
Hey, man, I was just coming to your defense. Now I'm very sorry and feeling unpleasure for my mistake. How could I have known that in real life you are professor emeritus in the department of medieval literature at Oxford?
NicFrenchy
12-31-08, 01:32
PAttaya people, please go back to Pattaya and don't pollute the Bangkok Thread, some people here don't want to hear about Pattaya (which is why they come to the Bangkok Thread)
Thank you in advance.
PAttaya people, please go back to Pattaya and don't pollute the Bangkok Thread, some people here don't want to hear about Pattaya (which is why they come to the Bangkok Thread)
Thank you in advance.
The discussion HAS been about Bangkok, Nic. The question arose about where all the knowledgeable savvy Bangkokians go when they want to take the plugs out of their butts and enjoy themselves. Answer: Pattaya.
BTW -- I can tell that your dick hasn't healed yet. You woke up grumpy today. :)
Retired Army
12-31-08, 02:51
Geez, why the sudden 'unpleasure' at Arabs in the Thai threads? They're the most friendly and respectful people I've ever worked with. Maybe there's unpleasure that they are paying more than western punters?
To visitors in their home country there couldn't be more hospitable people. Iraq is the obvious exception, but we won't discuss that here.
However, have you been around Sukhumvit Soi 3 lately?
I've also been in Bahrain on a Thursday night when they come over the causeway from Saudi heading for the bars. Not a good place to be, especially when they kick you out of your hotel to give to the Saudis who pay three times as much.
Boinky Boinky
12-31-08, 02:59
Without wishing to state the obvious, when it comes to different nationalities, we're not talking about each country's finest exports. The chavs and geezers that you see from England (youngish, football shirts, gelled-down hair and tattoos on their forearms) are a certain type of Englishman, but by no means totally representative. Ditto the shaven-headed, built-like-brick-sh!thouses Russians and the cheap charlie Arabs.
The drunken, happy-go-lucky Irish though, that's pretty much universal. I speak as an Irishman.
NicFrenchy
12-31-08, 03:28
BTW -- I can tell that your dick hasn't healed yet. You woke up grumpy today. :)
You're right... :( I apologise
What can I say... 3 days without emptying my sac, it's getting heavy. The wound heals nicely but I prefer to wait until it is 100% back before starting any action.
However, have you been around Sukhumvit Soi 3 lately?
I've also been in Bahrain on a Thursday night when they come over the causeway from Saudi heading for the bars. Not a good place to be, especially when they kick you out of your hotel to give to the Saudis who pay three times as much.Fair enough point. A bunch of horny guys from any country, in a hurry to get some action, would be less than hospitable.
Cunning Stunt
12-31-08, 11:07
Fair enough point. A bunch of horny guys from any country, in a hurry to get some action, would be less than hospitable.
Saudis though remember - they were probably thinking fuck the girls (later), we need a drink :D.
Beagleface
12-31-08, 12:28
Russians are Russians, but don't get me started on the Arabs...And the americans have no idea--NONE--what is going on in the world and in particular europe. Arabs and moslems are simply taking over europe. It is like a war in slow motion, where the invading force is more or less being accomodated and comforted by french, english, belgians, dutch, etc. Huge areas of england are now essentially pakistan and iran. Mosques abound, churches are converted into islamic schools. They come from the middle east, go on a variety of welfare programs, and live off english idiots. Don't get me started. When iran gets nukes, the only safe place to be will be Pattaya.
Phoenix949
12-31-08, 20:25
Health makes all things work,
Wealth makes all things possible,
Love makes all things beautiful.
May you have all three in 2OO9.
Happy New Year!!
Mr Enforcer
12-31-08, 22:20
Big fire in the Santika nightclub in Ekkamai. Sadly 55 people dead. I sincerely ope there are no forumers or their friends/family involved.
StudPlayer
12-31-08, 22:51
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081231/ap_on_re_as/as_thailand_nightclub_fire
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081231/ap_on_re_as/as_thailand_nightclub_fireMy condolences to the families of the victims.
When I first saw the news report, I was thinking it would be NEP. Out of three trips to LOS and many many days in BKK I have only step foot into NEP twice. It is a potential death trap if a major fire happened.
Lone Punter
01-01-09, 21:56
Noble gents,
Some 4 year ago I met a real cute and slim gem at Beergarden. Oiy was sweet 19, very kind and funny. Used to see her once on all my visits but I lost her mobile. Did anyone met her? I was astonished to discover that she became a movie star. Any information, hopefully her mobilenumber will be most welcomed.
Thanks in advance
http://www.megaporn.com/video/?v=YICB0FP3
http://www.megaporn.com/video/?v=UMLMPL20
Member #4147
01-01-09, 23:25
My mid Dec trip was another amazing visit. I was totally stressed about the airport closure but through the grace of buddah my trip was delayed all of about 5 hours which didn't allow us to land until @1am. As I had spent @15 days on TLL I had many phone numbers in hand and now might consider sharing or trading a few. I called my 1st choice, an exceedingly skinny 21 yo, 35 kg, largely my prime type target and by 2am we were meeting at the Dynasty Inn for a much needed roll in the hay. Better part of 2 days and nights mostly w/her until I made up some shit to free myself from her. A decision I later came to question as her availability to me all but evaporated after that. So after my first couple of nights at the DI I moved around the corner to the Sheraton. They upgrade me to a 2 room, 2 bath suite per my premium status, free happy hour and a v nice b'fast. The TLL connections were an entertaining daytime distraction. Meet several at Siam Paragon, some came right to the hotel, but in any event I shagged maybe 10 out of the 13 or so I meet. 2 were on the rag and the 3rd I had to more or less tell her to get naked or leave the hotel as I had another coming in short order. I felt like an ass but I am living w/myself so far. Went to the German Brewery I'd heard about here, good fun, reminded me of the now closed Colliseum. Met a v cute girl there after we had lunch at the Paragon. She was about 20, 40kg, exceptional face and smile but her body was surprisingly loose skinned. So in short I would recommend TLL if you want to meet girls during the day that could pan out to more. I am not a big boob fan per se, but I did grab I out of Rainbow 4, she had only been there a few days and claimed she hadn't been barfined there yet and that I was her 1st farang. Well who knows but she was a screamer and took it like a champ. #77, enjoy her guys, I sure did! So not much new to report other than the TLL additive, which yielded an interesting array of girls some of whom apparently had good jobs and fulfilling lives. I just got on DIA and am planning my 1st trip to the Phils now. Anyone willing to help please PM me.
Cunning Stunt
01-02-09, 04:25
Big fire in the Santika nightclub in Ekkamai. Sadly 55 people dead. I sincerely ope there are no forumers or their friends/family involved.
Very tragic - undisclosed number of foreigners but I've been in that club and know its very popular with tourists. Hope no ISG members were involved.
I suspect its a classic New Year disaster, revellers being allowed to take firecrackers onto the premises and all exits locked except the main door.
Last night another fire - Soi Cowboy, Raw Hide.
Luckily nobody injured.
Giotto
A little too ironic in the naming of the event as "Goodbye Santika" when it truly was the end of the place and of innocent lives. What a shame. When are people going to learn that you can NOT use pyrotechnics and fireworks INSIDE nightclubs. The same thing caused the deaths of 100 and injuries to over 200 in the US at a club in Rhode Island. Neither of these tragedies had to happen. God rest in peace they're souls.
Hello handsome man. Come inside have a look please. Welcome. Sit here OK. What you drink? Carlsberg no have. No have long time. Heineken same OK? Moment please. Have a look, many pretty lady for you.
You want? You want lady sit you tell me. What? OK, I sit with you. You handsome man. Pen knon arai? You speak Thai? Nit noi? I speak English little bit. Where you come from? America? Cannot. I think you look same same Hong Kong. No? Not same? Your face I think no look American. Live America, OK, I know, but your face look—OK, OK, American.
My name Lek.
You stay hotel? Work Thailand? Have condo? How long you stay Thailand? One year, why you no speak Thai? You need Thai teacher? I teach you Thai. You like Thailand? Sanook di mai? Khao jai mai? Oh, you can speak Thai. Geng maak. How old you? I think you look younger. You look – very good, very good. Me? Twenty-two. Work here two year. I no see you here before, you not come? I used to dancing dancing but now just welcome. Dancing too much talk talk okay better.
Can you buy me drink?
I come Buri Ram. You know? Isaan. North-east Thailand. Very beautiful. Many girl work here come Isaan, you know? You go Isaan? No? Very hot. Bangkok better, have friend here. Live with my sister. Father mother me have farm in Buri Ram, rambutan. You know rambutan? Only summer, aloi maak. Very good but money no good. You have brother sister? No? stay alone? Have wife? No? Girlfriend? I think you have many many. No?
Cheers.
Have no boyfriend. Have boyfriend before but no boyfriend now. Have Thai boyfriend Buri Ram but no good. Thai man no good, drink too much no work. I have farang boyfriend in Bangkok but he go back Israel. I no see him long time but he call me. He want me to stop work bar but he no give me money. I work bar send money to father mother Buri Ram, have no boyfriend. Have to take care sister me.
You buy drink for my friend? My sister, name Noi. Not same sister me live together, this my sister work bar. You have friend, can go with Noi. No? You like other lady, you tell me I bring. Me? You like me? You want I go with you. Can pay bar fine 500 baht OK? You like me I happy can go with you. OK mai?
Where you go?
You no like me? Where you go? I go with you. We go dancing OK? Have disco open late, I know can go. You pay bar I go with you. What? Meet you? I meet you? Cannot. Work here. You pay bar I go. You no pay bar I no go. Pay bar OK? Work late. After? After work go home? Can go dancing, but go now. You pay bar I go now. Why you no pay bar? Where you go?
OK, check. You give tip for me? No? You no like me? Where you go? Go home now? OK, I go with you! Just joking. Next time. You come back I go with you.
NicFrenchy
01-02-09, 05:48
Rikusa,
That is an amazing Post!!! For a minute there I could see myself in all these situations. Very real!
Do you have more, it cracks me up :D
Rikusa,
Your post should be in the Thailand reports Hall of Fame.
I have heard the exact statements every time.
Good job!
A little too ironic in the naming of the event as "Goodbye Santika" when it truly was the end of the place and of innocent lives. What a shame. When are people going to learn that you can NOT use pyrotechnics and fireworks INSIDE nightclubs. The same thing caused the deaths of 100 and injuries to over 200 in the US at a club in Rhode Island. Neither of these tragedies had to happen. God rest in peace they're souls.
Just chated to a Thai friend today about Santika, the NYE party doubled as a goodbye party after the land owner did not want to renew the lease on the club.
Been there once a couple of years ago, had a good time. Pitty it had to end this way.
Does anyone know anything about the upscale private clubs like Soprano House? I have been there before but could not figure out what was available, where, and for how much.
If you are into the music, it is definitely a cool place to check out. The girls are 9-10's but I don't know if they are available and if they are if their prices are ridiculous.
Please let me know your thoughts.
I have been to Soprano as well, and also frequent 2 other places, i.e. Exotica in Thonglor and Mayfair in Sukhumvit Soi 1.
I think they have the same concept and cost structure as Pegasus, although Pegasus' looks more prestigious and hi-so, from their website.
You have to pay for a "membership", which basically costs anywhere from Baht 20,000 upwards, and you get something like 5 bottles of, say, Johnny Walker Swing, and maybe 40 "drinks" for the ladies.
Each time you go back, you would drink from your stock of bottles, and the girls seated with you would be deducted from your 40 "drinks" -- it works out to be about 40 minutes per drink. So, if the girl sits with you for 3 hours, then it's about 5 drinks deducted for the night -- if you bring guests, then same formula applies to the girls seated with them. Depending on the establishment, there could be an extra charge if you take a karaoke room, say, Baht 1,500 to Baht 3,500 depending on the room size.
There are no girls available for "takeouts" in Soprano, and you basically pay through your nose, and cultivate a relationship by going back frequently -- it's quite possible to score privately with the girl of your choice after 4-5 visits, but you will have to negotiate separately.
At Exotica, there are 2 types of girls available, takeouts and non-takeouts. You have to inform the mama-san in advance that you would like to have takeouts, and she will bring in a different parade of girls for you to choose from. It costs about Baht 6,000 for the takeouts, excluding the tip to the girl at the end of the night.
At Mayfair, there are also 2 types of girls, and the takeouts tend to be slightly older, i.e. anywhere from 23-25 years and above. The good thing about the place is that there are well-furnished bedrooms available in-house. It's much more affordable than Exotica, as it costs Baht 3,000 for ST and slightly more for LT. Mayfair is a bit past its prime, it's now mainly Japanese customers, as compared to Exotica, Soprano or Pegasus.
Best,
Panya
My name Lek.
Did you tell her your name was Yai ?
Had some days in Bangkok before Christmas and for the first time I met up with a mongering friend, never worked in team before. We booked a 2 bed room apartment at Omni Tower for 3 days, 4000 B a night. I arrived in the morning and had already done a visit to Tulip when he arrived and was quite happy. He had spent some wild days in Manila and wasn’t in a rush either so we took some beers at NEP. Finished off at Rainbow 4 and he invited one of the better looking ones for a drink. She quoted 5000 B for LT and was not interested in lowering the price even though it was about to close. I guess she get that ridiculous amount every now and then by some desperate guys. No need to go very often then I guess. We took a walk down Sukhumvit to Soi Cowboy. Not many lookers on the street even it was a Friday. Only one place still open and they were about to close.
Just outside of Soi Cowboy we stopped at one of the night stands serving food and beer and my friend asked one of the “hostesses” there if she would join us for trip to Boss where he wanted to go. He had to pay a 500 B “barfine”. It turned out later to be the best 500 B investment he has ever done. The taxi couldn’t really find the place, I think it has changed name, but we ended up at a place called Bossy, God knows where. Not my usual scene, but a lot of candy there. We were back home in the morning hours. The girl had her red days so it was no boom boom for him that night.
Second day we met with a friend of him, her sister, cousin and a ladyboy friend of them for food and drinks. The sister was stunning. The cousin was a sweet little 21 year old which I got along with quite well. No signs of protective behavior and later some gentle stroking and discreet kisses as the drinks were consumed. The stunning sister had too many glasses of wine and complained about the jealous boyfriend monitoring every movement so I don’t think it will last. May be a possibility in the future. The sisters left, one helping the staggering beauty.
So the others wanted to go to Spicy. Here we go again. 1500 B for a bottle of whisky got the 4 of us; me, my friend, the cousin and the ladyboy, free entrance, which would have been 300 B pr person anyway (with a free drink I think). Before you turn crazy about me going out with a LB, it was actually quite practical since s(he) could point out the others. The place got quite crowded around 2 o’clock, and too much smoking inside will not make it place I would like to return to.
I thought I had secured my night since we got along very well, but I didn’t like what happened later. When returned from the toilet one of the staff working there in his Spicy shirt and a name tag was drinking at the table. Pouring the girls whiskey (from his own bottle). My friend told me there was a kind of drama while I was away. Later I asked her if that was her boyfriend, which she denied, but the mood was ruined anyway. Whoever this jealous Thai trying to mark territory was, I didn’t like the situation she had put me in. Bringing me to a place where a jealous local guy work isn’t exactly smart thing and put me in a risky situation. So I left shortly after and she decided to stay as expected. Well, nobody jumped at me while leaving and I got back to the hotel, empty handed. She sent me several messages later, but I didn’t want to go with that girl again.
Next day we took a look at the night marked in Patpong and took a break at a ground floor a-go-go in the other Patpong street. Quite a few lookers with slim and delicate bodies there. Prices quoted, BF600, ST 2000, LT 4000. The one we stopped at had the bad habit of sending the girl up for dancing even when she has just been bought a LD, so we left. I showed my friend Star of Light and the big boobed woman in the bar gave him a BJ in the toilet while having a beer. I just sat in the bar with mine (beer). It was hilarious when the woman came out and spat the load into the sink, too much she complained.
We linked up with the girl he picked up 2 days ago for dinner. There was a red spot on the bed sheets the next morning. I left them at the end of Soi 4 and NEP. There was a dancer in Vodoo on the ground floor which fancied my interest, a smiley and cheery one. She seemed to be really keen on going with me and accepted my 2000 B LT. Paid the 600 B BF and left for some food first. When she stepped down I realized she was very small, only 149 cm. Actually she looked better inside than outside as well, but she was ok in bed. A very cozy little girl. What was most interesting was her pubic heir or lack of so. I thought she was shaved, but with closer inspection she had a few very thin hairs. It looked like she had just entered puberty. Unfortunately she wouldn’t let me take pictures. The next day we took a taxi to Pattaya.
And the americans have no idea--NONE--what is going on in the world and in particular europe. Arabs and moslems are simply taking over europe. It is like a war in slow motion, where the invading force is more or less being accomodated and comforted by french, english, belgians, dutch, etc. Huge areas of england are now essentially pakistan and iran. Mosques abound, churches are converted into islamic schools. They come from the middle east, go on a variety of welfare programs, and live off english idiots. Don't get me started. When iran gets nukes, the only safe place to be will be Pattaya.Lets keep politics out of the forum. Huge areas of England have Pakistani population as it used to be a colony of England and a lot of people immigrated to England long time ago.Most Arabs are hard working,while there are a few who live off the system. Having said that the only reason there are so many russians working in thailand are to attract the arab population who pay significantly more for their services(dont like that) . Again,this forum is to discuss our hobby and not bigoted point of views.
This is Thailand ... no, This is Bangkok (!!!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqNx7vJLDE
Giotto
Satrai2000
01-02-09, 21:31
I have been to Soprano as well, and also frequent 2 other places, i.e. Exotica in Thonglor and Mayfair in Sukhumvit Soi 1.
I think they have the same concept and cost structure as Pegasus, although Pegasus' looks more prestigious and hi-so, from their website.
You have to pay for a "membership", which basically costs anywhere from Baht 20,000 upwards, and you get something like 5 bottles of, say, Johnny Walker Swing, and maybe 40 "drinks" for the ladies.
Each time you go back, you would drink from your stock of bottles, and the girls seated with you would be deducted from your 40 "drinks" -- it works out to be about 40 minutes per drink. So, if the girl sits with you for 3 hours, then it's about 5 drinks deducted for the night -- if you bring guests, then same formula applies to the girls seated with them. Depending on the establishment, there could be an extra charge if you take a karaoke room, say, Baht 1,500 to Baht 3,500 depending on the room size.
There are no girls available for "takeouts" in Soprano, and you basically pay through your nose, and cultivate a relationship by going back frequently -- it's quite possible to score privately with the girl of your choice after 4-5 visits, but you will have to negotiate separately.
At Exotica, there are 2 types of girls available, takeouts and non-takeouts. You have to inform the mama-san in advance that you would like to have takeouts, and she will bring in a different parade of girls for you to choose from. It costs about Baht 6,000 for the takeouts, excluding the tip to the girl at the end of the night.
At Mayfair, there are also 2 types of girls, and the takeouts tend to be slightly older, i.e. anywhere from 23-25 years and above. The good thing about the place is that there are well-furnished bedrooms available in-house. It's much more affordable than Exotica, as it costs Baht 3,000 for ST and slightly more for LT. Mayfair is a bit past its prime, it's now mainly Japanese customers, as compared to Exotica, Soprano or Pegasus.
Best,
PanyaI the past I went quite a few times to St. Moritz in Sukh. Soi 11. In this club the mamasans force you to take a girl with you at your table. Spending one evening in such a club always cost me 4-5k without getting anything special in return! One night when I was there, I realized this and from then on I never went back.
This is Thailand ... no, This is Bangkok (!!!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqNx7vJLDE
GiottoI saw this before but never knew where. Do you know the location in Bangkok?
Retired Army
01-03-09, 02:56
Did you tell her your name was Yai ?
Use the name Dor Yai
I saw this before but never knew where. Do you know the location in Bangkok?Paul2020,
It's Klongtoey Market.
Giotto
Beagleface
01-03-09, 13:04
Lets keep politics out of the forum. Huge areas of England have Pakistani population as it used to be a colony of England and a lot of people immigrated to England long time ago.Most Arabs are hard working,while there are a few who live off the system. Having said that the only reason there are so many russians working in thailand are to attract the arab population who pay significantly more for their services(dont like that) . Again,this forum is to discuss our hobby and not bigoted point of viewsLet's all be like bono and ask the average bloke who makes Ł25K per year to pay more taxes to give that money away to corrupt african dictators, while you, bono, multimillionaire, move production out of ireland to avoid taxes. Just the facts, please, just the facts. Maybe you can answer--why doesn't bono give away, say, 1/4 of his wealth? He'd still have millions upon millions. Hell, madonna just gave ritchie something like Ł50M, surely bono can cough up something like that for, say, hunger in haiti?
Now to return to topic--where can I find Russian girls? I've found them in FKK clubs, they are stunning, didn't see them my one trip in BKK. I share with my arab brethren a liking for them.
Italy 1974
01-03-09, 13:26
Back in Bangkok for few days I paid a midday visit to the Star of light bar in Patpong. After a couple of drinks I selected Pla, a small girl from Kalasin. Her blowjob (as usual performed on the sofa) was really good and ended with the customary (for that place) come-in-mouth.
After the "business" was done I spent some time talking with her and I found out that she is an "anal provider".
That’s music for my ears so I booked her for late in the afternoon.
To cut a long story short, we met at 5 o’clock at the hotel Pavillion (just 50 meters from the Star of Light). No need to pay the barfine (not that it matters so much as it is a mere 400 baht) as I went directly to the hotel and I guess she has already finished her working–shift.
In the bed she performed even better than in the bar!
A great anal session she seemed to enjoy (I surely did! ) that let me exhausted on the bed.
At the end of the session she suggested a massage in order to let me relax. The massage soon began a blowjob ended with a came-on-face.
All this for 1500 baht!
This girls deserves to be taken for a whole night but that was impossibile for me this time as I am travelling with my wife (that on the same night claimed a coulpe of sex-performances, leaving me the next morning more similar to a carpet than a human being and forcing me to call off the scheduled afternoon session at the Eden Club.).
In any case I will surely take Pla overnight on my next trip to Bangkok in February. One month to go.
Italy 1974
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I am an experienced monger in Europe, Asia and South America but only recently made it to Thailand. This is the report on my experiences.
I stayed at the Dynasty Grande. My rate was about 2400 BHT/night and I couldn't recommend this hotel more highly for its location, the quality of the room and the service of the staff.
I have to say I found Bangkok a tough nut to crack. I was there for 6 nights in total, more than enough to get to know the basics of the city it I'd say, but I left feeling either it wasn't for me or i needed more time.
Most of my time was spent in the Sukhumvit area, particularly Soi 4 - Soi 7
The quality of girls is average. Stunners are few and far between, but i suppose they are all over the world. I found Thai girls to be, on average, quite 'unsexy' particularly in comparison to Latinas. I'm not referring to looks here but to their attitude. I'm turned off by the natural subservience of Asian women. I have lived in Asia for several years before so this wasn't a surprise. Obviously this is a personal opinion and not all mongers will share it.
Go-go bars. I didn't exploit these as much as I should have done. The quality of the dancing girls was much higher than the bar girls and I should have collected some phone numbers. I regret not doing this.
As previously reported, the particularly good Go-Gos are: Rainbow 4 (Nana), Baccarat (Soi Cowboy) and Shark Bar (Soi Cowboy)
Pool bars. I only really know the ones on Soi 4. Apparently most of them are owned by the same Swiss owner. Hillary's I and II were probably the best. Soi 4 is dominated by Brits.
Beergarden. I quite liked this place. After about 2pm it's full of freelancers and although the average is pretty low, the sheer quantity of girls means there'll always be a few stunners. I was most enamored with a bar girl there, though, but after days of pursuit no luck :-(
Gullivers. An enormous bar, much larger than Beergarden, but for the 4 or 5 times i was there it's was running at about 10% capacity, in comparison to Beergarden which was always full.
Massage parlours: I visited only 2: Annies and Tulips. I went to Tulips twice and both times the performance was very high. In particular the first time with a girl called Ma, or maybe it was Mae. Not beautful, maybe a 5 or 6, but sublime performance, in my top 5 sex experiences of all time (which is saying something). A similar experience was had the second time. At Annies, however, i didn't get beyond the line-up. These girls were damn ugly. I left as soon as I had the misfortune of seeing them and I'm st6ill trying to remove the image of them from my mind.
Again, I should have visited more of the parlours. There are lots of excellent reports on this board of good massage parlours and I barely skimmed the surface.
Night life. Bangkok is suprisingly tame in comparison to many large international cities. Most bars close at 2am and although there's a very nice street scene after that where you can buy a beer and eat fabulous food, you won't find many bars open. However, I did visit two clubs both of which are very decent pick-up places. Confusingly, they have almost the same names: Spice Club on Soi 11 beneath the Ambassador Hotel and Spicies, somewhere further south. The former is more packed availables, but the latter is a more fun venue although you will suffer a lot of harrassment from taxi drivers on your exit looking to persuade you to take a massage or to take a trip to a 'better' club.
Be aware that going to these sorts of clubs every night, as I did, will significantly add to your budget. I spent an average of 1500 BHT on drinks per night alone at these clubs. Entrance is 200 BHT at Spice Club, inc 1 drink, and 300 BHT at Spicies, inc 1 drink.
Food. The quality of food in this country is outstanding. Always fresh and usually cheap.
Taxis. Particularly brazen at trying to rip you off. As reported here many times before, ALWAYS insist on the meter being turned on. The driver will be pissed, but it always pays to have it turned on. On the ride from my hotel to the airport, the driver kindly offered me a fare of 500 BHT which i declined much to his dismay and I ended up paying a meter price of 300 BHT. At the end of the journey I pointed out to him that he had been trying to rip me off of 200 BHT and I didn't appreciate it. Normally I'll just roll with the punches, but i was particularly annoyed at the way the taxi drivers behaved in BKK.
I must say that my first 5 days in BKK were only mildly enjoyable and much less so than my first trips to Peru, Colombia, Brazil and Argentina. However, I think I will go again soon and look on this trip as only a primer. A major reason for this is cost. I average around 100 EUR/day here (excluding hotel). In South America, I'd be looking at 200-300/day.
Next time I will spend more time exploring the MP options and focusing on getting some phone number
Hope this has been useful.
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...Taxis. Particularly brazen at trying to rip you off. As reported here many times before, ALWAYS insist on the meter being turned on. The driver will be pissed, but it always pays to have it turned on. On the ride from my hotel to the airport, the driver kindly offered me a fare of 500 BHT which i declined much to his dismay and I ended up paying a meter price of 300 BHT. At the end of the journey I pointed out to him that he had been trying to rip me off of 200 BHT and I didn't appreciate it. Normally I'll just roll with the punches, but i was particularly annoyed at the way the taxi drivers behaved in BKK.Most of the time the taxi drivers are well behaved but I think they're acting worse right now because business is slow and they are scrambling to make a baht. The last few times I've been in BKK I've had some very roundabout trips to my destinations (and I do know my way around). The problem with this is once they get "off course" it is not easy to correct because of the screwy street system. I don't mind paying a few baht extra but sometimes they stretch the limit. You can complain, or try to negotiate a lower fare, but it's best not to tussle too much with these guys as they are known to all have weapons.
You will find that with each successive trip to Bangkok you'll have a better time. Initially there's a fairly steep learning curve, but then eventually it will be a lot of fun. Read through some of the reports here from guys like Mick and Nic...they know the good spots to hit for fine women.
M P Lurker
01-04-09, 02:45
Taxis. .... At the end of the journey I pointed out to him that he had been trying to rip me off of 200 BHT and I didn't appreciate it. Normally I'll just roll with the punches, but i was particularly annoyed at the way the taxi drivers behaved in BKK.
In Thailand you must try to be polite and smile.
Its fine to insist on using the meter but then having an argument about being ripped off is very impolite and un-Thai.
Chill-out man and try to have a good time.
200 Baht is just over 5 dollars. I give all the taxi driver a good tip out of compassion at the moment as business is extremely tough with the decline in tourism. These guys are barely making enough to eat at the moment and cannot pay the rent most likely. O.K. he inflated the price on the basis that westerners can afford it, and he needs the money.
Just remember a taxi ride in the west would cost you a fortune.
I tip all the serving staff in the hotels at the moment too. Just remember the waitress has no husband and is trying to save for a bicycle for her son and hasn't even got a refridgerator yet. Lives with severasl other family members in a tiny flat.
Just one example.
I didn't say I had an argument with him, just that I pointed out I knew what he did which I is perfetly legitimate.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]In Thailand you must try to be polite and smile.
Its fine to insist on using the meter but then having an argument about being ripped off is very impolite and un-Thai.
Chill-out man and try to have a good time.
In Thailand you must try to be polite and smile.
Its fine to insist on using the meter but then having an argument about being ripped off is very impolite and un-Thai.
Chill-out man and try to have a good time.
200 Baht is just over 5 dollars. I give all the taxi driver a good tip out of compassion at the moment as business is extremely tough with the decline in tourism. These guys are barely making enough to eat at the moment and cannot pay the rent most likely. O.K. he inflated the price on the basis that westerners can afford it, and he needs the money.
Just remember a taxi ride in the west would cost you a fortune.
I tip all the serving staff in the hotels at the moment too. Just remember the waitress has no husband and is trying to save for a bicycle for her son and hasn't even got a refridgerator yet. Lives with severasl other family members in a tiny flat.
Just one example.
Bangkok Bargirls make more money than the head nurse at the Bumragrad, and if you don't ask how much something is up front in Thailand they will always overcharge. Time for the farhang to exploit and cash in on the Thai misfortune that they brought upon themselves. If the punter wants a 500b short time hecan now get it. If a backpacker wants a room at the Landmark he will get it. They didn't do anything to assist the stranded tourist and now they will have to pay the price. Thais did everything they could NOT to assist the stranded tourist. They misled the public totally hoping they would just hang around and sah-pend more money. Over here in NYC our poor people are freezing do death. Thai kids are starting to look as fat as American kids anyway, so maybe it is time for them to go on a diet.
Most of the time the taxi drivers are well behaved but I think they're acting worse right now because business is slow and they are scrambling to make a baht. The last few times I've been in BKK I've had some very roundabout trips to my destinations (and I do know my way around). The problem with this is once they get "off course" it is not easy to correct because of the screwy street system. I don't mind paying a few baht extra but sometimes they stretch the limit. You can complain, or try to negotiate a lower fare, but it's best not to tussle too much with these guys as they are known to all have weapons.
You will find that with each successive trip to Bangkok you'll have a better time. Initially there's a fairly steep learning curve, but then eventually it will be a lot of fun. Read through some of the reports here from guys like Mick and Nic...they know the good spots to hit for fine women.
And 800 Bht from Pattaya to that Airport with the wierd name that looks like a sci-fi circus tent is standard fare (plus tolls) and I usually give 200bht tip for the real long rides unless the driver has a bad attitude. It is a very simple thing. If going around Bangkok you don't close the door to the Cab until a)you have determined the Cabbie speaks english or If you have a card (in Thai) with the hotel name you show it to him and determine if he knows where it is. b) the meter turns on. Under no circumstances should you pay an un-metered fare without haggling. TOPS, maybe 250 bht from MoChit to KaoSan or Nana. I will tip generously if this guy is in backed up traffic
M P Lurker
01-04-09, 06:32
Bangkok Bargirls make more money than the head nurse at the Bumragrad, ...
I didn't mention bargirls at all!
M P Lurker
01-04-09, 06:36
I didn't say I had an argument with him, just that I pointed out I knew what he did which I is perfetly legitimate.
Yes its O.K. to point out that you know the real price, but westerners should try to avoid pointing out "what they did".
I am just giving advice for all the other newbies to Thailand.
I also am trying to learn to be more polite Thai style even after many years of experience.
Lover Boy #2
01-04-09, 07:24
Yes its O.K. to point out that you know the real price, but westerners should try to avoid pointing out "what they did".
I am just giving advice for all the other newbies to Thailand.
I also am trying to learn to be more polite Thai style even after many years of experience.
Thai style??.....have you ever gone on a taxi ride with Thai people....they don't allow any games in the taxi.....meter...to location.......round to next baht amount (i.e. 192 b = 200b).....out of taxi. Any deviation from this scenario = Thai man not happy and only throwing down what he perceives is the correct price. Taxi man maybe curses at Thai man calling him dog shit......taxi man leaves.....no police involved.
I have seen this played out quite a few times, but Thai people have less problems in taxis as they communicate better (obviously) than most farang....and therefore less misunderstandings.
Thai people don't put up with any crap from Thai taxi drivers......why is the farang to act Thai and take it rectally from these guys??.....who were quite dishonest before the recent political/economic downturn.
I personally have had few problems.....speak quite a bit of Thai....and the driver understands his passenger is going to be a problem...not worth it.....so just get the next guy. But I feel bad for the next guy who continually has to be the target for these dishonest taxi guys.
I have had some very nice, pleasant guys who have done an extra job for me.....and they have been rewarded in kind. There are some very good guys out there...helpful....and really trying hard to please. Then there are the dumb fucks who can't find Soi 8/Sukhumvit......how can they be driving a taxi in BKK?....then there are the nasty prick drivers who try to cheat every farang they get in their web.
You are right that pointing this out after the fact is not a good idea in this society. If the guy wanted 500....went on the meter and got 300...he is already losing face in his own mind....so better to just pay the 300 and move on.....this point I do understand.
I do laugh, why do people get this "impression" that Thai's are all so nice and polite and deal with things quietly and discretely?
You would never guess some people claim to have lived here for years.
Thai's deal with things in the Thai way.
If you are poor and have no big brother connections, you let fly at the scene and make you point and get your way. Thai's take no shit and are happy to let fly with the fists and feet and whatever.
If you are not so poor, and trying to keep up the Hi-So image, you take the shit and give the farangs and everyone around the impression that its quietly sorted out, in the meantime you phone you big brother and he gets a couple of off duty police/thugs/solidiers/whatever to visit the person who pissed you off in the evening or a few days later and kick the shit out of them.
If the problem is a bigger problem that just a kicking, you quiely let it slip out of peoples minds for a few weeks/months, and then you send someone around to shoot them dead.
This is the Thai way of dealing with things, no image to keep up then let it fly, if there is an image to keep up then deal with the offender later.
To recommend farangs be oh so gentle and quiet is the reason that so many get ripped off. Thai's love to rip off the farang, especially when nine times out of ten the farang will not even bother shouting some abuse.
Come on, if you were a school bully and nine children in ten would let you steal their money without even a whimper you would expand operations.
If nine out of ten shouted shit loads of abuse at you and other people saw you were a bully, it would make you think twice.
Just do not go around shouting "e-saat" or "e-hear" or words like that, that may seem as tame as "son of a *****" does to an Englishman who things that Americans are rather stupid to think that is a insult, but if you insult a Thai with 'e-saat" or "e-hear" then its fighting talk and fists flying most likely.
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Deal Seeker
01-04-09, 09:49
This is why I take the airport to suk bus for 150 THB. Its interesting, I notice that they are more desperate, and anxious in this economic crisis, but they haven't responded (in general, the taxi drivers) with the typical market response, and instead are more outlandish with their dual price/rip off the farang ways. Typical Thai-conomics, bad times are coming so overcharge even more, because business is bad.
Thai style? . Have you ever gone on a taxi ride with Thai people. They don't allow any games in the taxi. Meter. To location. Round to next baht amount (I. E. 192 be = 200b). Out of taxi. Any deviation from this scenario = Thai man not happy and only throwing down what he perceives is the correct price. Taxi man maybe curses at Thai man calling him dog shit. Taxi man leaves. No police involved.
I have seen this played out quite a few times, but Thai people have less problems in taxis as they communicate better (obviously) than most farang. And therefore less misunderstandings.
Thai people don't put up with any crap from Thai taxi drivers. Why is the farang to act Thai and take it rectally from these guys? . Who were quite dishonest before the recent political/economic downturn.
I personally have had few problems. Speak quite a bit of Thai. And the driver understands his passenger is going to be a problem. Not worth it. So just get the next guy. But I feel bad for the next guy who continually has to be the target for these dishonest taxi guys.
I have had some very nice, pleasant guys who have done an extra job for me. And they have been rewarded in kind. There are some very good guys out there. Helpful. And really trying hard to please. Then there are the dumb fucks who can't find Soi 8/Sukhumvit. How can they be driving a taxi in BKK? . Then there are the nasty prick drivers who try to cheat every farang they get in their web.
You are right that pointing this out after the fact is not a good idea in this society. If the guy wanted 500. Went on the meter and got 300. He is already losing face in his own mind. So better to just pay the 300 and move on. This point I do understand.
These guys are barely making enough to eat at the moment and cannot pay the rent most likely. O.K. he inflated the price on the basis that westerners can afford it, and he needs the money.
It's not our problem that he needs the money. Pay market price for everything and nothing more or else you will be viewed as a sucker. Being nice will never get you anywhere in Thailand. Being shrewd and polite does wonders, however.
The attitude: "foreigners have more money than the poor helpless thais. They should give freely to the thai people" is the reason why thailand is so messed up.
Always hold your ground on price and never show weakness. This is what earns you respect, if any, in Thailand.
200 Baht is just over 5 dollars. I give all the taxi driver a good tip out of compassion at the moment as business is extremely tough with the decline in tourism. These guys are barely making enough to eat at the moment and cannot pay the rent most likely. O.K. he inflated the price on the basis that westerners can afford it, and he needs the money.
I haven't been to BKK for 14 months now but just out of interest. Half way down Soi 4 is the Woraburi Hotel, things may have changed with resent events. But just try walking past the Hotel and see how many Taxis are parked outside this hotel doing it tuff, waiting for the ATM to walk out the front door onto the street.
They are only there for the tourist baht, they do not drive Thais anywhere. Infact the only time they drive anywhere is when a farang walks out of the hotel looking for a ride. Once they have completed the fare they simply go back to the end of the line outside the Hotel. My guess is they would simply up the price to counter the down turn in tourist.
Standard price of these taxis to the airport was 400 baht but maybe they have increased the price to 500 baht now. These guys can't be doing it that hard if they can afford to sit outside a Hotel all day waiting for the baht to come to them.
It's not our problem that he needs the money. Pay market price for everything and nothing more or else you will be viewed as a sucker. Being nice will never get you anywhere in Thailand. Being shrewd and polite does wonders, however.
The attitude: "foreigners have more money than the poor helpless thais. They should give freely to the thai people" is the reason why thailand is so messed up.
Always hold your ground on price and never show weakness. This is what earns you respect, if any, in Thailand.
Just to reiterate your message on my short visits I have seen some Thais in Benzes and Jags so not all of them are poor how do you think the higher up Thais treat the hired help? I suppose not so generous. So why should we over exert ourselves in the niceness department?
It's not our problem that he needs the money. Pay market price for everything and nothing more or else you will be viewed as a sucker. Being nice will never get you anywhere in Thailand. Being shrewd and polite does wonders, however...The attitude: "foreigners have more money than the poor helpless thais. They should give freely to the thai people" is the reason why thailand is so messed up...Always hold your ground on price and never show weakness. This is what earns you respect, if any, in Thailand.You are right, Thailand's problems are not foreigners' problems.
But I think you are wrong when you take an "us (farang) versus them" attitude in your dealings with Thais.
I like to bargain and negotiate for a better price when it is appropriate, but often it is better to not push things too hard. Knowing when to settle and make the agreement is an art in itself in Thailand. I don't believe that "always hold(ing) your ground on price and never show weakness" necessarily gains blanket respect in Thailand.
Personally, the only person that I feel that I have to live with is me (and now it seems, my Thai GF). The respect that comes with being a good, fair person is only measured by one's self and the important people around them. Learning how to work the flow in Thailand to your advantage certainly does make life easier and will gain a different type of respect (i.e., jai dee).
Italy 1974
01-04-09, 12:58
It's not our problem that he needs the money. Pay market price for everything and nothing more or else you will be viewed as a sucker. Being nice will never get you anywhere in Thailand. Being shrewd and polite does wonders, however.
The attitude: "foreigners have more money than the poor helpless thais. They should give freely to the thai people" is the reason why thailand is so messed up.
Always hold your ground on price and never show weakness. This is what earns you respect, if any, in Thailand.You made the point!
I totally agree with you.
I always try to be fair with the people (i.e. tipping people -taxi drivers included- if the service they gave deserved it) but it's my choice to do it.
And it' my choice IF I want to do it.
Rip-offs are completely another matter, I think.
This has nothing to do with their economic situation: if I want to gove my money to charities I am supposed to give them to "real" charities.
Frankly I found the so-called "thai-style" at least hypocritical as often behind their smiles their thoughts are very different.
Italy 1974
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I haven’t read all your taxi arguments but let me add my two cents on BKK taxis here.
Remember that I have been going to BKK since 1972 when only Tuk-Tuks or Trishaws were available. Generally speaking the majority of them are good working guys trying hard for their living having to pay police a lot of bribes for their traffic mistakes. I have witnessed that several times. I usually tip them and take care of the bribe too.
First of all it is an absolute no go item for me if they don’t want to put the meter on. I will stop them get off and walk away. I still remember the time that taxis were not equipped with taxi meters and you had to negotiate with them for every ride. I don’t like it to happen in now days. I know I am having a hard time finding a taxi that will use the meter on a raining day but I still insist. One out of ten will do and that’s the one that will get a generous tip from me for doing so. That’s the worst of them when you are in real need for a taxi most of them are asking high prices and refuse to go the meter. Most of the times I try to make friends with them and make them laugh. E.g. I tell them to drive me to Pattaya or even Chiang Mai once in the car.
Arriving at the airport I will go a flight up to the departures area walk out of the building to the left where some taxis are always present eager to get a customer to the city without waiting in line for hours. They will ask for more but I tell them to put the meter on and go via highway. Taxi ride to soi Nana area is about 180 Baht plus 65 for the toll and another 50 airport surcharge (optional in our case) totals about 300 Baht. If he is a nice guy he will get another 50 from me. Ride back to the airport is about 250 and they are happy if they get 300 from me.
Most of the times, every where in the world, I prefer to use passing by taxis than the ones waiting outside of a night club. I feel safer that way and avoid paying their high asking prices. e.g. Patpong area at night.
I had a few unpleasant incidents in the past though. Once I took a taxi from china town and told him to take me to Sogo shopping mall. He pretended not knowing it. I then told him ZEN and World Trade Center. Still was pretending of not knowing where they were and kept going on heavy traffic to nowhere. Eventually he stopped in a red traffic light. I opened the door and walked away against the traffic. If a taxi driver does not know where Sogo (now closed) or ZEN is he better change his job
In another occasion I had to go far away into the city to a factory. I had the address written in Thai and I asked the driver if he knew the area and could take me there. He said yes and off we went. Finally he got lost, could not find the place and wanted to drop me and get paid. I refused to pay him and get out of the car telling him to ask someone for help and directions. He got angry and started to threaten me. I stayed firm and he eventually took a long screw driver threatening to stub me. I still remained firm looked him in the eyes and told him to either stub me or drive me to a police station. He finally gave up asked a couple of other taxi drivers and finally drove me to the factory. That was the worst experience I ever had with a taxi driver.
From the airport to Pattaya 1000-1100 Baht will get you there. From Pattaya to airport asking price is 800 Baht mostly by private cars. Add another 200 for Bangkong city.
You can also use their bus service both from the airport and the Ekamai or Mo Chit bus stations. I have posted about it in the past.
PS BKK=Bangkok. Although is meant to be for the airport I use it for convenience.
Most of the times, every where in the world, I prefer to use passing by taxis than the ones waiting outside of a night club.
This is the golden rule when using taxis.
This was a night that the go-go’s and beer-bars were closed during November.
Since all the go-go’s were closed, I found myself walking around Sukhumvit when I passed by two cute women. We smiled and said hello.-but kept walking past each other.
A few moments later we met again and this time (being old friends now. LOL) stopped to talk. One was 24 y/o with a pretty face and OK body, the other was 27 y/o with an OK face and really nice body. Their English was only so-so.
They were dressed nicely and told me they had the day off work (factory jobs) and came to Sukhumvit to shop (and indeed they both were carrying bags with new shoes in them)
They then tell me they want to drink and take me to the beer-garden. We order drinks; then without asking me they order food, and then more drinks, and then more food, etc. This went on for about 4 + hours!
During this time it was obvious the 24 y/o had a bit more interest in me; but they both seemed interested and eventually the 24 y/o asked me which one I wanted. (And no—they wouldn’t go together)
Well, at this point, I really couldn’t decide. The 24 y/o had a cuter face; but the 27 y/o had a smoking body. Plus the 24 y/o kept getting phone calls like every 15 minutes. She denied it was a boyfriend and said it was just a girlfriend.
After a while, I could see the 24 y/o losing interest so when she went to the toilet (I. E. Go talk on the phone) I took her seat next to the 27 y/o and began feeling her up. So at this point I guess I was decided on taking the 27 y/o.
Suddenly the 24 y/o calls her boyfriend to come over (the boyfriend she claimed didn’t exist! ) and shortly her farang boyfriend shows up.
A few minutes later, the bar closes and the waitress hands me the 800B bill to pay.
The 27 y/o then tells me that the 24 y/o is going to go with her boyfriend and that SHE is going home to sleep! WTF? !
Being the "genius" that I am; it starts to dawn on me that these girls were just playing me for food and drink and maybe did not ever intend to go with me? And I told this to the 27 y/o.
I guess maybe she felt guilty or something and said OK she would go with me. The two girls then huddled together and had a long heated discussion (they wouldn’t let the other farang or I hear what they were saying)
Outside, I told the 27 y/o that I did not think she should go with me since I did not think she really wanted to; but she assured me she did. We then start walking to my hotel when I decided; giving what transpired this evening, to pin down price, service, and time before getting to the room.
But it turned out she did not like this. She did not want to discuss money or commit to anything else. I mentioned 1500 B and she said no way; but would not give me a price.
So there we were, very late at night, just standing there, stalemated on Sukhumvit Road.
Well, to make a long story short, we never went to my hotel; she wound up giving me her phone number and taking a taxi home. Of course the number turned out to be phony.
So my question to you guys is this:
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
Your thoughts please.
Thanks
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I've been living in BKK for a year and taxis, while mostly good, can be a pain in the ass at times. Most of them are morons. Just accept this. Don't bother using a map because most of them can't read English, and a few of them can't even read Thai, which makes written directions in their native language useless.
The worst taxis are to be found in the Lumpini Park area and Patpong, and at the entrance to soi cowboy. It takes about 10 tries before someone will finally switch on the meter. I remember we got into one taxi, the guy switched on the meter, he looked at us, saw that we were farang, and tried to convince us that the meter was broken so he had to charge a flat rate. The best thing to do is to cross the street and get a passerby taxi. Do not take any taxi that is parked, under any circumstances.
If you take a taxi from Sukhumvit at night, likewise it takes a few tries if you want to travel away from Sukhumvit. Most of these lazy bastards just want to drive up and down Sukhumvit, picking up tourists. Also, I purposely don't take taxis who will stop in front of me without me waving them down. I really get tired of it when I'm walking down the road and every one of the fuckers who pass stops in front of me asking if I need a ride so that he can overcharge me.
If the guy wanted 500....went on the meter and got 300...he is already losing face in his own mind....so better to just pay the 300 and move on.....this point I do understand.
I agree: he (the taxi driver) definetely knew you knew the guy (the client) was right. Period.
On the other hand it is really tiring and depressing to keep on having to be always on alert against taxi rip-offs.
Happens nearly everywhere in the world. really boring and their rip off is sometime cheap (but big for them).
Happened to me many times. Hate it! sometime is inevitable.
back in the '80's have been stuck in an industrial area in Ryadh after business hours aqs I rejected the silly quotes from the taxi's to go back to the thotel.
Ended up in asking 3 lifts to private cars and said to myself: f*** next time I pay what they want!
But still....
Nevertheless there is little action from local authorities to protect the foreigners (the targets) other than forcing stickers to be in the cars saying "ask for the meter to be activated"
Big deal! Soul has been washed and cleaned.
LittleBigMan
01-05-09, 00:24
My way my style and that's up to you!
When it comes to Taxi's, and if we continue on this topic there might be a new thread " Taxi's " Don't even think about it Jackson! by the way Happy New year!
When it comes to taxi's I have learn to just go with the flow! As for getting a taxi on the departure level it is becoming harder and harder since they have barriers now all the way to the end. But don't be afraid since they have rewamp the taxi area from the lower level to the same level as the arrival area it has become a lot easilier in my opinion. I have never waited more than 5 minutes to get into a taxi.
Of course how much luggage or how much of a bind is going to determine how much you are going to pay. As El Greco, noted in his good report if you're standing in the rain and getting soaked and you want to get out of the rain and can't wait to get to your destination you might have to paid the higher price. It's not going to take much for anyone with or without a education to see (A) Farang (B) raining or lots of luggage (C) equals a sucker!
I remember just last year I was shipping my mountain bike in a large box and also had another piece of luggage weighing 70 lbs. My thinking was I'm f--ked when I get to Bangkok Airport. How much was I going to pay to get everything to Nana Hotel since majority of the taxi's are those Toyota Vios? I got in line and when it was my turn they guy looked at me and said " how about 400 baht? No problem! The price was a little bit more but I certainly wasn't in a position to complain. Because I made the decision to take the bike over to Thailand and knew it was going to be somewhat of a problem I had to take the mindset that I had to be reflexible otherwise the problem will just grow.
In the end, regardless whether you are on vacation or live in Thailand, when it comes to taxi they are dime a dozen. If they won't turn on the meter, don't get angry just get out and get another. If they quote you a price that is unreasonable don't get angry just get out and get another. If the taxi driver takes a alternative route to make a few extra baht... I let him because it just stupid since it uses more fuel and in those situations I don't TIP! So he or she just beat themselves. If I have lots of luggage and it's raining and the first taxi that comes along and say's " meter broken " and quote me 450 baht from the airport to Nana I get in because I'm not going to allow a extra 150 baht to delay or ruin my day from getting some good pussy! When I get there no tip no conversation.
Don't allow a few extra baht to ruin your groove or trip. When in Bangkok, I use the transit or motorbike taxi. Why paid a taxi driver to see in traffic if you don't have too!
LBM
Beagleface
01-05-09, 00:47
I had the taxi driver turn on the meter going from NP to the airport. The meter said something like 300, but he asked for 500 in a way that made it seem like there was some kind of 500 minimum. It is hard to get worked up what amounts to 4 pounds difference--means almost nothing to me but a lot to him. I didn't see the benefit in arguing, especially since I would have tipped him at least another 100 on top of the 300.
Having said that, the bills do add up. I tended to do Nataree or Angel massage at 2500 baht in the afternoon, and then some more girls at night, another 2000 or 4000 baht. Are prices coming down with the recent troubles? I'm returning mid Fed for more fun, wondering if maybe it will be a little less pricey.
M P Lurker
01-05-09, 05:54
Flew into BKK after midnight from Chiangmai but still wanted a girl (or two) to make up for lost time.
Went to Suzi Wong as a very relaible place to get a girl very late.
Took Miss B (a regular) and decided to take Miss T for a try out too.
Meanwhile the serving girl Miss Y was having her birthday so the staff were intending to party on at a Petchburi club or bar. Miss Y was drunk but still didn't want to try my DATY technique.
However the mamasan Miss A was very drunk and said she wanted to go with me as well to make a foursome.
I jokingly said that she should get her gear off first, so I can see properly.
She then let me touch her tits (silicone job) and lifted her dress and pulled down the panties.
Was a little bit dark to get a full view but was still very strange to see a mamasan showing off her bare bum and pussy.
I did buy her a couple of drinks but she wasn't really my spec.
... A few moments later we met again and this time (being old friends now. LOL) stopped to talk. One was 24 y/o with a pretty face and OK body, the other was 27 y/o with an OK face and really nice body. Their English was only so-so.
A few minutes later, the bar closes and the waitress hands me the 800B bill to pay.
The 27 y/o then tells me that the 24 y/o is going to go with her boyfriend and that SHE is going home to sleep! WTF? !
... She did not want to discuss money or commit to anything else. I mentioned 1500 B and she said no way; but would not give me a price.
So there we were, very late at night, just standing there, stalemated on Sukhumvit Road.
Well, to make a long story short, we never went to my hotel; she wound up giving me her phone number and taking a taxi home. Of course the number turned out to be phony.
So my question to you guys is this:
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
Your thoughts please.
Monopoly you got "duopolied".
Recently the girls have been desperate for food and i have seen this although never been victim.
In the BG there are only no mamasans only the bar staff, who can help you. If you think you are being ripped then pay your tab and give them a tip making it clear that is it.
Several years ago, I gave one of the barstaff at BG a tip of 200THB - long story. This has stood me in good stead - last year i arrived very jetlagged, moderately drunk and very tired. The bar tender pulled me aside to tell me i was chatting socially with a ladyboy (i knew) who was setting me up for a scam where i would get my phone and camera stolen (both well concealed) by another LB. Ended up with the 2 LBs bailed up by security and me getting out with my hide.
In this case, it cost you about $25. The danger deal here was they would not do double. It was divide, conquer and eat from there on in. You my POV.
I was once told that bottom line for a Chinese girl is shopping, Thai girl is eating and cash works for both.
Thank you for sharing.
M P Lurker
01-05-09, 07:08
....and said OK she would go with me. The two girls then huddled together and had a long heated discussion (they wouldn’t let the other farang or I hear what they were saying)
Outside, I told the 27 y/o that I did not think she should go with me since I did not think she really wanted to; but she assured me she did. We then start walking to my hotel when I decided; giving what transpired this evening, to pin down price, service, and time before getting to the room.
But it turned out she did not like this. She did not want to discuss money or commit to anything else. I mentioned 1500 B and she said no way; but would not give me a price.
I think there are many possible scenarios and pinnning it down is difficult.
The first girl might have gone with you if not for the problem BF.
The 2nd probably had no experience or little going with Farangs and did not want to name a price. Could be she comsidered herself not to be P4P.
I might have tried to persuade to go without any price mentioned. But maybe she was never really going to go anyway. Maybe she was looking for higher price. Who knows.
Sometimes girls change their minds. Situation normal.
In the end you got scammed like many of us.
If you went with the girl, probably she would claim it hurts straight away and you wouldn't get good sex anyway.
Taking a casual girl (not fully P4P) is always a massive punt.
But most are very poor performers unless they really like you.
NicFrenchy
01-05-09, 08:00
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
Your thoughts please.
Thanks
Dude, you got owned! sorry.
No non P4P in their right mind would bring a punter in the Beergarden. Everyone knows this is a Prostitute joint (even my staff).
2nd, After the first round you should have made things clear about what it is you want. If you're stalling to make a decision, the girls are going to be very happy adn keep on drinking and eating.
3. the Boyfriend: let's make it very clear, the so called boyfriend was not a boyfriend but most probably a customer. I am sorry but, which Farang in their right mind would go and pick up their girlfriend at the Beergarden?? and not say a word when he saw the said GF seating with another Farang?
My guess is he is a bloke that took her before and wanted to see her again. Because your decision making process was slow or unclear, she did not want to potentially lose any income by turning the bloke down and you ending up not taking her.
There is no playing nice guy in LOS, if you want something, say so! then all parties are aware and can act accordingly.
The 27 year old clearly did not want to go with you in the first place. this, from what you are telling is obvious. Maybe she was just tagging along waiting for you to feed them and then take the 24 year old so she could split. Seeing as the 24 year old did not want to go with you she felt Obligated (after you pushed the issue) to agree to go with you. She was reluctant but Thais are like that, she will not say no or get into a fight with a foreigner. She just said ok and (thankfully) found her exit door on the price issue (no face lost for her and you).
I find that if you really want to have a good time in thialand, forcing the ladies will get you nowhere, or certainly not down GFE lane.
So, yes, you got owned but it ended badly because of some mistakes you made (this is my guess). The 24 year old was clearly a P4P gal.
Lover Boy #2
01-05-09, 08:51
A few years ago I was staying at Plaza Athénée in BKk and had to go out to a distributor's factory somewhere near the city in an industrial area. I wasn't sure where the place was....but the hotel staff pinned it down for me and wrote directions for a taxi on a piece of paper. I had some lunch and grabbed a taxi near Suk./Soi 11. The guy did not want to use a meter...he seemed friendly, but sincerely unsure of the location.....and he wanted to pin down the price. I thought about it for a second and decided that this might be a good idea in this case....as the guy could take me anywhere...in circles and I would be paying...as I was not familiar with the area...at all. We also agreed that he would deliver me to the door and wait for my meeting.....then take me back into the city for the same rate. I don't remember the exact amount.....but being a careful guy....I am sure it was in the "fair" range.
Well, two and a half hours later the guy cannot find the place.....I can see he is starting to panic. I told him to calm down....and that I would call the factory. The factory manager told him what side roads to use.....1 hour later...we were lost in the middle of nowhere!! Now, the taxi driver looks at me eye to eye....and starts to cry right in the taxi. He says he is lost and doesn't know where the factory is....nor does he know how to get to a highway. We recall the factory.....back and forth a few times.....finally....after another 3/4 of an hour, I am at the factory for the quick version of the meet that was planned. He waited outside.
He speaks to a few people and is now confident that he can get us back. As we get closer to BKK.....two TG's engage him in conversation....he tells them it has been a bad day and he has to get me back to Suk./Ploenchit Rd. I tell him it is OK to take the girls too.....try to get some pay for this deal!! I bought everyone a soda....some chips.......and the taxi driver was awarded a beautiful flower necklace for his taxi....I told him to save us from anymore problems. Everyone seemed very happy and there were a lot of smiles and laughing on the way back home. I got one of the girl's tel. numbers (another story....but a good time was had by all!!).......and he dropped the girls off....then me at my hotel. I paid him what I owed him and a small tip as we had a lot of fun. The guy seemd very happy....laughing....giving me his card......saying he doesn't want to go on a 5 hour tour next time....but some local work would be nice.
The guy looked like someone who there would have been a big problem with (i.e....."get out of my taxi and find your own way").......he had the look of the BKK criminal taxi force.....but was not...or at least this trip seemed to find a special place in his heart......and mine! At one point I thought I was going to blow steam out of my head.....but I calmed myself for my own health and not "Thai style" reasons.
Whenever I have some small issues with a BKK taxi man....I think of this guy and for some reason smile and try to calm myself.....and some guys are hard to calm down from....like the guy who takes me from the Su wanna swamp departures level...on meter......and juices the meter with a switch under the dashboard.....that one almost ended ugly......but we arrived at some amount with the police on the way....and the pain ended.
Well...there was a long story...WTF!!
....oh...and Monopoly...you got pwned!!...it's OK...it happens to everyone......800 b in Thailand, 500 E on the Euro version....no worries!!
Bounce Around
01-05-09, 09:15
Your thoughts please.I'm sorry to be the calous one here, but I think you got taken advantage off by yourself and not necessarily the girls.
I mean (by your writing) you meet a pair of potentially non-pros on the street who want to get a drink with you (they take you to BG, which puts them in the FL category potentially, but did you agree to take them or did they drag you kicking and screaming? ) then it took you 4 hours to either close a deal or get wise while they ordered more food. I once (early in my monger career) followed a tout to a sham KTV in shanghai and knowingly got what I deserved. That was a scam and I can't complain as I thought I could beat the system; Similarly your case just reads as if you willingly let them order food and drink without discussing business. I mean what does one talk about with two strangers of all places at BG with two thai girls with so-so english?
All in all the bill was not bad (I mean sham wise, if you want to call it that), they just had a meal that you implicitly agreed to buy them. Like buying any lady drink in a bar. Doesn't guarantee you action, and your education cost a lot less than those so called gentlemens clubs and you enjoyed the company of at least one very hot looking girl for 4 hours. Sounds like you just have rejection remorse from a potential freebie threesome which you thought you had coming. IMHO
Never had much of a problem with taxis in BKK (had more problems in DXB), especially since I read one of the members here say he pays the tolls from his pocket and gets back the change from the driver, rather than later having the driver claim 'x' amount of money from a newbie. Once from the hotel to the airport I had the bell boy call me a cab, this was one sitting outside the hotel, I didn't realize it would be an off-duty cab with no meter. Once my bags were in the back and we were on our way I realized that the meter was off, and the guy wanted 500 for the ride. Then I noticed that the cab license picture was not even the same guy, got me worried, but I didn't want to get out in the middle of the streets with my bags, further the dilemma was even if he stops the cab, he could make away with my bag, my backpack I always keep with me and it has the important stuff, but I made the decesion to stick with it as long as we were headed in the right direction. Eventually talked him down to 300 and no toll road (I know I probably paid more than I should have) but got to the airport in plenty of time safe and sound. Chalked it up to lesson learned. Now no meter, no me and always get the toll reciept or pay cash myself.
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Retired Army
01-05-09, 09:27
Under no circumstances should you pay an un-metered fare without haggling. TOPS, maybe 250 bht from MoChit to KaoSan or Nana. I will tip generously if this guy is in backed up traffic
Normal fare on a meter would be about 100 THB.
Retired Army
01-05-09, 09:55
Remember that I have been going to BKK since 1972 when only Tuk-Tuks or Trishaws were available.
If a taxi driver does not know where Sogo (now closed) or ZEN is he better change his job
You made some good points about taxis in BKK
However, taxis were readily available in BKK in 1972. Toyota Corollas mostly and you had to bargain and establish a price before getting in the car. Bicycle samlars were on their way out, but could still be found in some parts of town for local transportation only. Now replaced by motorcycle taxis.
In 1972 tuk-tuks were mostly modified motorcycles mated with the back of a samlar.
If one wanted to go to Sogo's or Zen at the World Trade center all one would have to say was see yak Erawan. Which is the four way intersection at the Erawan Shrine. A poor taxi driver who picks rice in Korat and drives a taxi in BKK during the dry season wouldn't have a clue about Sogo's or Zen.
Retired Army
01-05-09, 10:06
I had the taxi driver turn on the meter going from NP to the airport. The meter said something like 300, but he asked for 500 in a way that made it seem like there was some kind of 500 minimum. It is hard to get worked up what amounts to 4 pounds difference--means almost nothing to me but a lot to him. I didn't see the benefit in arguing, especially since I would have tipped him at least another 100 on top of the 300.
Having said that, the bills do add up. I tended to do Nataree or Angel massage at 2500 baht in the afternoon, and then some more girls at night, another 2000 or 4000 baht. Are prices coming down with the recent troubles? I'm returning mid Fed for more fun, wondering if maybe it will be a little less pricey.
It's more pricey every time you return because dumbs*^t tourists don't know any better and overpay for everything.
I figure what the Thai's pay and add about 10% Farang tax.
Retired Army
01-05-09, 10:09
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
You had a "learning experience" and it only cost 800 THB. Next time you will know better.
Retired Army
01-05-09, 10:15
My Thai wife told me about a taxi scam where travel agencies will advertise a really low price to take tourists to an out of the way tourist trap, e.g., Tiger Temple, Elephant farm, etc. Once you arrive they want ten times the amount to bring you back to the city. You are stuck in the middle of nowhere and don't speak Thai. What do you do?
Lol
Thats kind of like the camels at the Pyramids. The owners tell all the tourists "sit on camel free, take picture free". And when the mugs are sat on the camel and 2 metres in the air they get told "now you pay to come down. Up free, to come down you pay".
My Thai wife told me about a taxi scam where travel agencies will advertise a really low price to take tourists to an out of the way tourist trap, e.g., Tiger Temple, Elephant farm, etc. Once you arrive they want ten times the amount to bring you back to the city. You are stuck in the middle of nowhere and don't speak Thai. What do you do?
It's more pricey every time you return because dumbs*^t tourists don't know any better and overpay for everything.
I figure what the Thai's pay and add about 10% Farang tax.
Exactly. Guys, do NOT fall for the taxi scams! Don't be afraid to argue with these scum. If you just accept the flat rate, then it drives up the taxi fares. It's the principle - never tip them unless they go beyond the call of service. I never tip the taxi driver - especially when I take one from one of the tourist areas. I always carry about 15 baht in 1 baht coins around with me. If I give him a large bill and he refuses to change it, then out come the 1 baht coins and I pay the exact amount, rather than rounding up to the nearest 5 or 10 baht.
Does it sound like these girls were playing me all along? OR did one of them actually intend to go with me and I just fat$ked-up by being indecisive? (And who knows what else I did or said to turn them off)
Your thoughts please.
Thanks
Monopoly,
Sounds like either of the two girls would have gone with you if you had made it clear early which one you were interested in. It's okay to take your time, but as you obviously witnessed, taking your time also means giving another guy a chance to make a bid. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. As for the 27 yr old, I bet she would have been happy to go with you if you had offered more, but negotiated for a longer stay, better service, msog or something else. Lowest price shouldn't be the only defining point of your negotiations. At least the cost of this lesson was just the price of a meal and a few hours of your time.
Cheers,
F2
Beagleface
01-05-09, 14:42
It's more pricey every time you return because dumbs*^t tourists don't know any better and overpay for everything.
I figure what the Thai's pay and add about 10% Farang tax.Add ons in taxis to/from airports are common throughout the world. Car rentals from airports (as opposed to a downtown location) almost always have an additional tax or two. I think in paris there's fees for putting luggage in the trunk, fees for departing even from railway stations (not sure about that one). But definitely from airports. If I remember, in vegas the fare starts at something like $3. 00 if you start from airport. So when the guy said 500, I just assumed it was the minimum. RA you sound like a bigger curmedgeon even than me. I told every cab driver to turn on the meter. They wanted 100 baht to go from soi cowboy to NP, I said turn on the meter, it was 40 baht or so, I gave the guy 60.
One thing I didn't like on the tipping front was at Annie's (which I do NOT recommend--girls are butt ugly). I gave girl 300 tip and she begged me in an unpleasant way for more, more, more. 500 at least she said. She wasn't even that good, kind of surly. Almost ruined my day.
NicFrenchy
01-05-09, 16:02
One thing I didn't like on the tipping front was at Annie's (which I do NOT recommend--girls are butt ugly). I gave girl 300 tip and she begged me in an unpleasant way for more, more, more. 500 at least she said. She wasn't even that good, kind of surly. Almost ruined my day.
Wow, you really don't need much do you? LOL
don't take things too seriously, just smile, refuse and leave, you can't blame the girl for trying.
Retired Army
01-05-09, 16:43
RA you sound like a bigger curmedgeon even than me.
I probably am.
However, when it comes to people trying to take advantage of me I can be quite an A-hole.
If you just accept the flat rate, then it drives up the taxi fares. It's the principle - never tip them unless they go beyond the call of service.
There is no need to accept a flat rate taxi fare traveling inside of bkk, unless you want to. There are plenty of moving taxis who will turn on the meter. Just be patient.
No need to tip them either, but rounding up to the nearest 5 baht is no big deal. Thais do this.
Bounce Around
01-05-09, 18:38
Hi guys,
Last time i was in BKK i noticed a exclusive looking (monger oriented club) at the start of Soi 51, i drove by it didn't catch the name, white building a bouncer and two greeters standing outside... anyone know of this one?
Beagleface
01-05-09, 21:40
Wow, you really don't need much do you? LOL.
Don't take things too seriously, just smile, refuse and leave, you can't blame the girl for trying.I'm embarrassed by my weakness! I guess it depends on who is 'begging' for more. At fkk club a cuban girl (my only cuban ever) with great tits told me she was expecting a tip of 50 euro (on top of the 50 I'd just given her). But tips in fkk clubs are pretty strictly verboten--you pay for exactly what you get (50 straight screw, 100 CIM, 150 anal). So I was actually a bit angry at that girl for even asking for a tip.
But the thai girls, it is different--they are so poor and the extra 200 baht is hard to get excited about. What I really didn't like was her insistence--she just kept at it, wore me down. What can I say? Sucker farang.
Retired Army
01-06-09, 01:56
There is no need to accept a flat rate taxi fare traveling inside of bkk, unless you want to. There are plenty of moving taxis who will turn on the meter. Just be patient.
No need to tip them either, but rounding up to the nearest 5 baht is no big deal. Thais do this.
It's actually illegal for a taxi driver not to turn on the meter in BKK. But so are elephants on the streets and you see how well that law is enforced.
If you accept a flat rate you are going to pay more. Most people who do so are usually staying in five star hotels and don't know any better. A taxi will sit in front of the Four Seasons all day for one 500 baht fare instead of ten 50 baht fares.
M P Lurker
01-06-09, 02:34
....
One thing I didn't like on the tipping front was at Annie's (which I do NOT recommend--girls are butt ugly). I gave girl 300 tip and she begged me in an unpleasant way for more, more, more. 500 at least she said. She wasn't even that good, kind of surly. Almost ruined my day.
Don't go to Annies, because the girl being "butt ugly" is not giving you permission to under pay.
If you gave 300 then she would make a total of 800 which is considered well below the going rate for a sex session.
Uf she didn't perform hardly at all that's different. But 500 is really the minimum tip IMHO.
Annies has two problems for me. Too much money goes to the management and because of that, the girls are not so pretty.
Normal fare on a meter would be about 100 THB.
Yes, but when you and the pooying are all shopped out, hot, dying for some beer & laden w/packages and you want to get home real fast I can only haggle a little bit. That is why you need to leave Chatachuk several hrs before dark becuse they won't budge when the place is shutting down. They know some dolt will pay 250 and I get them to stop off at a variety of food stalls on the way back to the hotel for a post JJ feast. It must be nice to live there, RA!
Most of us have a taxi story, be it good or bad.
This is mine, and it was good.
A few years ago, I decided to bring back a small puppy to the USA from Indonesia. I flew business class from Indonesia to BKK, no problem at customs, and my plan was to smuggle the little thing into my room at my hotel in BKK, while I overnighter, and catch the morning TG flight to LAX via KIX. In those days, and maybe still now, you could fly with an animal in the cabin on all star alliance flights.
I landed at Don Muang, walked up to arrivals as usual, and hopped into a waiting taxi, giving the driver my hotel name. In absolute perfect English, he asked me if I thought I was going to be able to bring the dog in with me. I told him I hoped so. We chatted the whole way into town, turns out he had worked in the USA for 3 years, as a cabbie several years back.
We arrive at the hotel, I ask him to keep the puppy in the cab while I check in. well, the guy who pulled my luggage out saw the dog in the back seat, and I was informed that my plan was absolutely not going to take place. What to do? My cabbie suggested a couple of lower end hotels, alas, same response. He then told me of a 24 hour veterinarian who also boarded dogs, so off we go. We drop the puppy off, I tell them I will be back at 7.00 am to pick her up, and we go back to my original hotel. By now, the fare is showing around 600 Bt. I give the guy 1,000, and ask him if he can pick me up in the morning.
At 6.30 the next morning, he is downstairs. We drive off to the 24 hour vet shop………only to find they are closed. He calls all the numbers on the business card we were given, nothing. My flight leaves in 90 minutes. We go to the airport, where I rebook my flight for 2 days later, and then he takes me back to the vet, which is now open, and he gives them a piece of his mind. He then offers to keep the puppy ay his house for 2 days, free of charge, and pick me up at my hotel again in 2 days.
I have a ball in BKK for 48 hours, and as scheduled, 2 mornings later, he is in front of my hotel, with my puppy, we make it to the airport, we fly to LAX, and the dog is a great member of the family.
When he dropped me off at the airport, I handed him a crisp 100 USD bill, gave him a hug, and thanked him several times over.
Not a very sexy story, I am afraid, but I remember it like it was yesterday, whereas the girls I fucked during my 48 hour stay……I don’t remember them.
Lover Boy #2
01-06-09, 04:16
Most of us have a taxi story, be it good or bad.
This is mine, and it was good.
A few years ago, I decided to bring back a small puppy to the USA from Indonesia. I flew business class from Indonesia to BKK, no problem at customs, and my plan was to smuggle the little thing into my room at my hotel in BKK, while I overnighter, and catch the morning TG flight to LAX via KIX. In those days, and maybe still now, you could fly with an animal in the cabin on all star alliance flights.
I landed at Don Muang, walked up to arrivals as usual, and hopped into a waiting taxi, giving the driver my hotel name. In absolute perfect English, he asked me if I thought I was going to be able to bring the dog in with me. I told him I hoped so. We chatted the whole way into town, turns out he had worked in the USA for 3 years, as a cabbie several years back.
We arrive at the hotel, I ask him to keep the puppy in the cab while I check in. well, the guy who pulled my luggage out saw the dog in the back seat, and I was informed that my plan was absolutely not going to take place. What to do? My cabbie suggested a couple of lower end hotels, alas, same response. He then told me of a 24 hour veterinarian who also boarded dogs, so off we go. We drop the puppy off, I tell them I will be back at 7.00 am to pick her up, and we go back to my original hotel. By now, the fare is showing around 600 Bt. I give the guy 1,000, and ask him if he can pick me up in the morning.
At 6.30 the next morning, he is downstairs. We drive off to the 24 hour vet shop………only to find they are closed. He calls all the numbers on the business card we were given, nothing. My flight leaves in 90 minutes. We go to the airport, where I rebook my flight for 2 days later, and then he takes me back to the vet, which is now open, and he gives them a piece of his mind. He then offers to keep the puppy ay his house for 2 days, free of charge, and pick me up at my hotel again in 2 days.
I have a ball in BKK for 48 hours, and as scheduled, 2 mornings later, he is in front of my hotel, with my puppy, we make it to the airport, we fly to LAX, and the dog is a great member of the family.
When he dropped me off at the airport, I handed him a crisp 100 USD bill, gave him a hug, and thanked him several times over.
Not a very sexy story, I am afraid, but I remember it like it was yesterday, whereas the girls I fucked during my 48 hour stay……I don’t remember them.
By any chance do you have the taxi guy's contact info?......if so PM me...I have some work for him....seems like a good hearted guy..........
Don't go to Annies, because the girl being "butt ugly" is not giving you permission to under pay.
If you gave 300 then she would make a total of 800 which is considered well below the going rate for a sex session.
Uf she didn't perform hardly at all that's different. But 500 is really the minimum tip IMHO.
Annies has two problems for me. Too much money goes to the management and because of that, the girls are not so pretty.
I seldom go to soapy or oily massage parlors because there are usually much less expensive alternatives available offering the same quality of service.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that an Annie’s girl receives only 500 baht from the 1700 paid to management for a session, which means that the shop gets 1200 – substantially more than twice as much as the girl. You believe that the minimum tip should therefore be 500 baht, (roughly 30% of the charges) in order for the girl to make 1000 baht. But why should the customer compensate the girl for the shop’s greedy and unfair pay scale arrangement?
Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum. I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.
I know that you favor more expensive parlors that charge 2500 and up for a 90 minute session. What do you believe should be the minimum tip at those places, and how much does the shop keep? A 500 baht tip would bring the total cost for the session to 3000 baht, which seems excessive for short time sex unless the girl is a superstar providing outstanding looks and multiple PSE pops. For that kind of money I can get 3 ST sessions with great looking girls.
NicFrenchy
01-06-09, 05:53
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that an Annie’s girl receives only 500 baht from the 1700 paid to management for a session, which means that the shop gets 1200 – substantially more than twice as much as the girl. You believe that the minimum tip should therefore be 500 baht, (roughly 30% of the charges) in order for the girl to make 1000 baht. But why should the customer compensate the girl for the shop’s greedy and unfair pay scale arrangement?
That is hearsay. how can we be so sure about what the girls make @ Annies? I know the prices were raised from 1500 to 1700 and that the extra 200 went directly into the girls pocket.
Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum.
Annies minimum is 2 shots: 1 in the tub + 1 on the bed
I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.
Let's see... in the Sukh Area:
SOAPIES
Annies 1,700thb, 120mn, 2 shots
Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots
OILIES
Any place 2,300thb, 120mn, 1 shot
(800 for 2 hours before you even talk about extras, FS is 1500 on top of that)
FREELANCER
BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)
GO GO BAR
Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms, 500 ST Hotel + 1500 ST rate)
I did not include tipping because Tipping is up to the punter.
All taken into consideration, Annies is still the punter's cheapest alternative in Sukhumvit.
Let's see... in the Sukh Area:
SOAPIES
Annies 1,700thb, 120mn, 2 shots
Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots
OILIES
Any place 2,300thb, 120mn, 1 shot
(800 for 2 hours before you even talk about extras, FS is 1500 on top of that)
FREELANCER
BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)
GO GO BAR
Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms, 500 ST Hotel + 1500 ST rate)
I did not include tipping because Tipping is up to the punter.
All taken into consideration, Annies is still the punter's cheapest alternative in Sukhumvit.How can you not include tipping when you include it (the fee the tip) with the others. ROFL and then you include hotels. ROFL. Most punters have a hotel already FFS.
Lets do it again, more fairly:
Let's see. In the Sukh Area:
SOAPIES
Annies 1,700thb + 500thb + 140thb drinks, 120mn, 2 shots = 2340
Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots = 2500
SPECIALS
OILIES
Any place 60mn, 1 shot = 2100
(600 for 1 hour FS is 1500 on top of that)
FREELANCER
BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 or 2 shot
(1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms) = 1180 thb
GO GO BAR
Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 120 to 180mn, 1 or 2 shot
(500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms + 1500 ST rate) 2330 thb
M P Lurker
01-06-09, 06:14
Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum. I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.
I can't disagree that its a bit expensive in the end,
but its just I would have to have some sympathy for the girl after receiving a really good service from her. I would feel I was ripping her off by giving a low tip. She has got to eat and pay the rent too. She wasn't happy with a 300 Baht tip.
The girl will quick tell all her friends that this guy is "cheap charlie".
There is never any point at all in repeating with a girl who is not happy with you! The odd customer that has ripped off a Tulip girl would never ever get any service at all again even if the girl goes to the room with him.
But in the end we don't go to Annies, so probably my opinion is not wanted.
If I found a good Annies girl, I would probably give her the opportunity to see me secretly outside so that we could avoid the heavy management fees and allow her to get a better deal. Its better for me at Oilies where fee to management and girl are kept completely seperate, or at Soapies where girl gets greater than 50%, but Annies does not to do this.
Let's see... in the Sukh Area:
FREELANCER
BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
(1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)
Why does a 1 shot FREELANCER, presumably requiring maximum 1 condom, need 80bt spent on condoms? Do you use gold plated ones?
Retired Army
01-06-09, 06:57
It must be nice to live there, RA!
To be honest with you, I've spent too much time in Thailand and I'm happiest when sitting on a plane and BKK is behind me.
I Just hate leaving the little lady behind and that's why I always come back.
NicFrenchy
01-06-09, 07:33
Why does a 1 shot FREELANCER, presumably requiring maximum 1 condom, need 80bt spent on condoms? Do you use gold plated ones?
80thb is the price for a Pack of 3 (assuming you aren't buying the Thai crap @ 30thb). When I do ST, I usually go through 2 to 3 condoms. I like to alternate between FS, BBBJ, FS, BBBJ and then FS again.
If you want to nitpick about condom prices, fine, then you can spend 30thb and get the 49mm Thai condoms. Sorry, I was off by 50thb, I hope the cheap charlies out there will forgive me that mistake. ;)
Sorry, I was off by 50thb, I hope the cheap charlies out there will forgive me that mistake. ;)
50 lashes and bamboo under the finger nails for you, Frenchy ;)
By the same token, why include a 500 Bt ST room in your calculations?
a FL should therefore be 1,000 plus a drink, plus a box of condoms.
Still the most value, if you happened to pick a good one, and of course, there are no guarantees there, unless you have availed yourself of her services in the past, and call her over to your hotel, in which case, you have a winner.
Sorry LB2, no contact for the cabbie, it was about 5 years ago.
NicFrenchy
01-06-09, 08:45
By the same token, why include a 500 Bt ST room in your calculations?
I live in this town so bringing a FL to my spacious and expensive condo is out of question. ST hotel is the best and Luxury Hotel Soi 19 has very clean rooms for this price.
I forgot to also factor in the cost of taxi (~100thb) if you take her to your hotel.
Keep in mind that FLs are a ST, one shot, 60 to 90 mn experience while Annies is 2 shots, a nice Bath, Massage and a Fuck, all in 120mn.
2 shots from a FL will cost you 1,500
NicFrenchy
01-06-09, 09:04
when a newbie arrives in thailand, he almost always has this stupid look, smiling in anticipation towards all the pussy available. but how does it all work?
it has been said that even the hunchback of notre dame could get laid here (maybe he did) for a few baht so is it that easy? the short answer is yes, it is.
however, doing your homework can really enhance your overall experience as you will know beforehand which places you would like to experience.
(i will also later insert names of places and girls i recommend)
massage parlors :traditional thai massage
pricing
1 hour = 200 thb
2 hours = 400 thb
basically all the massage places in thailand will offer this type of massage.
you do not get a private room for this type of massage, just a common room with mattresses on the floor separated by curtains.
this is my favorite massage, the technique will amaze you!! they make every bones and joints in your body crack!
you need to wear a pajamas for this massage, they will provide one for you.
unless you go to a hotel’s spa, at the end of the thai massage, 99% of the time the masseuse will ask you if you want the “special massage”
special massage in a thai massage place consists of a hj (hand job) and if you’re lucky a cbj (covered blow job).
hj special is thb 500 and cbj is thb 1,000.
the girl will stay clothed during the whole session
massage parlors : herbal oil massage
pricing for oil massage:
1 hour = 400 thb
1.5 hours = 600 thb
2 hours = 800 thb
pricing for lotion massage:
1 hour = 600 thb
1.5 hours = 800 thb
2 hours = 1000 thb
this is the carbon copy of what you call a swedish massage.
except for the 5 star places, they will all use baby oil (which smells and is difficult to wash in the shower). lotion massage is an odorless body lotion that is very easy to clean and disappears in the shower once the massage is over.
almost 100% of the oil massage providers will offer you “special massage”
in about 75% of the massage places, farangs will go there for the “extras” (or special massage if you prefer). this is a little different than the traditional thai massage places.
for traditional thai massage, the providers are usually a little “older” and you do not get to chose them.
in the case of oil massage, you are the one to chose your masseuse.
you can chose your girl “live” by going to the room where they all sit, or order from a catalogue where you see all the girls pictures.
the catalogue is for japanese people, most of them would never walk in the room and face 20 girls (that’s 40 pairs of eyes staring at you)… they prefer to be discrete and look at the catalogue. the reason why looking at the catalogue is a bad idea is that all the girl’s pictures are heavily photoshoped. best is to face them and see which ones you get vibes from (while some will smile and wave in your direction, others won’t even look at you).
once you choose your girl, you can order the time you want.
99% of the oil places will offer you a private room with in room shower
for this massage type, you need to take a shower in the room prior and after the massage.
usually, the girl comes in the shower with you and she washes you thoroughly (yes, she cleans you everywhere!) and then showers herself also.
onto the bed she proceeds to massage you using the oil, and for this massage, you are completely naked. after about 45 minutes of massage, she will ask if you want “special massage”.
now this is different from traditional thai massage, because you are in a private and closed room, the extras offered will be as follows :
hj special is thb 500
cbj or bbbj is thb 1,000
fs is thb 1,500
(usually when you order fs, she will give you a bj to start)
once you “come”, the session is over and back to the shower where she washes you again.
massage parlors : body soapy massage
now this is a very different scheme as the 2 massage types outlined above. while most massage places that offer thai massage will offer you oil massage, the ones that offer soapy only deal with soapy.
pricing:
pricing is a little complicated as every place has its own. some places only cater to thais, some only to japanese and some only to farangs (non asians). though, most places will accept foreigners but apply a fee (called farang surcharge) which can go from thb 500 to 1,500 above the thai price.
cheapest you can find is thb 1,800 for 1.5 hours and could go up to thb 6,500 (for “models” or freelancers).
soapy massage (also called mp by the local farangs) has a very easy modus operandi….
just walk into the mp and wait for the papasan to approach you… you have 2 options :
a) look at the fishbowl first
the fishbowl is called a fishbowl because the room where the girls sit is all glass so you can see them from everywhere…. pretty much like an aquarium.
in some places, the girls cannot see you and in other places, it’s just a glass and they can see who comes in and out.
b) all the ladies have a number that they keep until they quit working for the place… so if you like a certain lady, remember her number and ask the papasan next time you visit and she will have the same number. better, book in advance to make sure she is working that day, and/or not busy with another customer.
some places have 2 or even 3 different fishbowl, which means that the prices are different per fishbowl (every girl in one fb is at the same price)
so you can have a fishbowl @ thb 1,800, another @ thb 2,200 and a third one @ thb 2,800 (the most expensive it gets, the better the girls will look)…. some places even offer you “models” that have made covers of magazines… but they are expensive and quite frankly “starfish”.
also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the fb, hanging out on a sofa…. these are freelancers, they do not work for the massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the mp if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed.
c) choose the lady (or ladies… remember, you are paying so you can have as many ladies as you want at the same time).
d) the papasan will quote you a price… (now be wary of these fuckers… some will try to scam you… basically, anything on top of the regular price goes right into his pocket). also, he will “recommend” you ladies… (“take #45, very good”….) but he only pushes girls that will give him a kickback on the “extras” money…
e) soapys (or mps) usually always include the same routine :
a. you get a bath with the girl naked in the bathtub washing you
everywhere
b. you are guaranteed a bbbj in the tub and 99% of the ladies will let
you “come” in their mouth
c. after the bath, you move on to the bed where you receive an oil
massage
nb : some places have an inflatable mattress and offer a full body to body soapy experience (meaning that the girl will soap herself and wash you again with her tits and pussy by sliding all over your body)
not all places have inflatable mattresses as it is quite rare.
d. after the massage, the lady will proceed to another bbbj and then
have sex with you
e. after sex, back in the bathtub and she washes you again before
you leave
f) you need to leave a “tip” to the lady before you leave, the tip is up to you but usually ladies will expect nothing less than thb 500 (unless you did not like the session then you don’t have to tip).
massage parlors : fashion massage *coming soon*
massage parlors : akasuri massage *coming soon*
bars : fantasy bars : eden club
purely the kinkiest club/bar in bangkok….
- eden club is not for everybody: club specialized 1 guy and 2 ladies ( or more )
about the menu:
1 man with 2, or more ladies
if unsatisfied with service, no charge.
special fantasies? let marc (the owner) know and he’ll make it happend
all bisexual ladies, dildo and strap on.
just show the ladies what you like, and don't be shy, they've heard it all before.
left side of the yellow line anal sex.
all the ladies provide oral sex.
90 min. sessions, unlimited sessions.
per lady : 1800 bht (us$45)
everything included
example of a basic eden experience :
- 2 ladies
- 3 drinks
- tips to the ladies
all in all about thb 5,000 (us$ 125)
you choose 2 ladies yourself, even better, you choose one, and she chooses the other.
uniforms on request (to please your fantasies)
you are here for pleasure, not for drinking
about services
xxx : means everybody will provide this service
services that you would like to perform with the ladies :
oral sex bare xxx
cum on face xxx rimming xxx
uniform play xxx
cum in mouth xxx
vaginal sex (with condom) xxx
vaginal fingering xxx
lesbian performance xxx
anal sex (with condom)
anal fingering
spanking
light bondage
[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) on body
[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in mouth
foot worship
services you want the ladies to perform on you :
bare back blowjob (bbbj) xxx
rimming xxx
use toys (strap-on, dildo's,etc... ) xxx
cum sharing xxx
anal fingering xxx
spanking
light bondage
[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) on body
[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in mouth
deep throat
foot worship
about medical
all the ladies have medical records
each month for hiv and siphillis
each week for std
all the checks are to be seen anytime in the club
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
pricing:
bj = thb 700 to 1,000 (depending on the place)
this is a pretty straightforward bar (looks like any bar in bkk) except that you need to be prepared before you walk in.
ladies everywhere and all ready to give you a blowjob anywhere… yes, you read correct, you can sit at the bar counter and ask a girl to blow you right there in front of everyone while you quietly sip on your beer…
a lot of people like to be watched and/or watch others receiving a blowjob (think of it as a “live” porn amateur movie).
for the non-exhibitionist, they have areas with couches separated by a thick curtain to give you a little privacy.
as there are no showers, the lady will thoroughly clean you dick before putting it in her mouth..
the girls will give you a bbbj until you come (technically you have 20 minutes to come) and after 15 minutes, she will look at you and ask “you come now?”
in these covered but not so private areas (you will see some people opening the curtains from time to time.. especially girls… some will also come and sit beside you to watch the other girls blow you…) you can be offered fj (whereas the lady will drop her panties and sit on you, she will slip a condom of course) fj = additional thb 500 to 1,000
you also have private cubicles (real concrete walls and a locking door) that cost extra thb 300 to 500 but only for fj.
that’s about all, as its name says, it’s a blowjob bar so you come in, order a beer get sucked, deposit your load in the girl’s mouth, pay and go.
the ladies there are very good at giving blowjobs but the older they are (experience) the deeper they go (great deepthroat). most young girls will not go very far down your dick… and if you ask them to suck deeper, they will complain that “farang too big, mai dai” (meaning that foreigners are too big and she cannot deepthroat)… which of course is bullshit.
you can take a lady out of the bar and bring her back to your hotel but you’ll have to pay a barfine to the bar (usually thb 500 to 600).
bars : gogo bars *coming soon*
bars : beer bars *coming soon*
bars : freelancer bars *coming soon*
bars : coyote bars / g clubs *coming soon*
clubs : regular clubs *coming soon*
clubs : after hours clubs *coming soon*
b. You are guaranteed a BBBJ in the tub and 99% of the ladies will let you “come” in their mouth
...
NicFrenchy,
I think you have too much time on hand. Anyway, thanks for all the work you put into this report...great job!
I disagree with you statement that you will always get a BBBJ and 99 % CIM in Soapies. It definitely depends on the girl, and if they are new or younger the likelyhood that you get it is much lower.
Besides that I hope that your dick will not heal too fast, that you have enough time (in the coming days) to complete the "coming soon" sections :) .
Btw.: The report is really not for idiots (that would be wasted) - it is for Thailand newbies.
Giotto
I also am trying to learn to be more polite Thai style even after many years of experience.Man, me too. There's a lot of silliness recently on this forum, like the idea that what gains you respect in Thailand is to "always hold your ground on price and never show weakness". What gains you respect as a farang -- a tough job to start with -- is speaking good Thai and dealing with things in a polite, good humored Thai way. It is incredibly effective once you begin to get the hang of it. It just isn't very easy.
That is hearsay. how can we be so sure about what the girls make @ Annies? I know the prices were raised from 1500 to 1700 and that the extra 200B went directly into the girls pocket.
Isn't this also hear-say? How does anyone know that the 200 goes directly into the girl's pocket?
M P Lurker
01-06-09, 19:34
I disagree with you statement that you will always get a BBBJ and 99 % CIM in Soapies. It definitely depends on the girl, and if they are new or younger the likelyhood that you get it is much lower.
Besides that I hope that your dick will not heal too fast, that you have enough time (in the coming days) to complete the "coming soon" sections :) .
Giotto
Nic has only been to Annies (not exactly a normal Soapy) and a couple of others. So he does have some stange ideas about Soapies. ;) I have hardly ever had a CIM at a Soapy although I never asked for it. I am too polite to CIM without the girl making it clear that it is O.K. I would tell her I am coming so she can avoid CIM if she wants to. Mostly they do avoid it.
I didn't try any of the old girls like Nic prefers ;)
I don't believe I have ever had or been offered an Oil massage at a normal Soapy. Perhaps Annies and Darling offer this.
Traditional Thai Massage is offered at quite a few soapies.
And of course Soapies do not have freelancers siiting on the couch. Is Nic being Satyrical?
M P Lurker
01-06-09, 20:18
Went back to Long Gun for first time in a long while to check out how Miss N is going. She is tall and stunning. Their are no other stunners in this bar too my taste at the minute with perhaps a couple of pretty ones.
Some Rawhide girls have recently moved to Long Gun. I omit the reasons.
I was a sort of friend with N for several months and she would never go with me for sex. That has now changed so I guess times are tough economically and she cannot afford to knock me back any more. She is not good in bed really as does not kiss or do BJ but her sheer georgous body sort of compensates so that I still enjoy to take her anyway.
She is very shy so lights have to be low and she doesn't like me to stare at her face. Magnificent tits, Not sure if B or C cup. The right one probably small C and left one big B. Many girls are not completely balanced.
I remember my mate saying that he really enjoyed a starfish girl. Miss N is not that but is really not a good mover.
Scores:
Face: 9
Body: 10
Tits: 10
Kissing: 0
BJ: 0
Sex: 6 to 7
Personality: 6 (very difficult)
She appears in a pic:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=820162&postcount=1720
First pic girl on the right.
Lover Boy #2
01-07-09, 01:59
And of course Soapies do not have freelancers siiting on the couch. Is Nic being Satyrical?
He's talking about the "sideline" girls.....and he explains his meaning of "freelancer"...."Also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the FB, hanging out on a sofa…. These are Freelancers, they do not work for the Massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket Cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the MP if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed".
Lover Boy #2
01-07-09, 02:04
Man, me too. There's a lot of silliness recently on this forum, like the idea that what gains you respect in Thailand is to "always hold your ground on price and never show weakness". What gains you respect as a farang -- a tough job to start with -- is speaking good Thai and dealing with things in a polite, good humored Thai way. It is incredibly effective once you begin to get the hang of it. It just isn't very easy.
Are you in business in Thailand?.......IMHO you are right about what may gain you respect.......but totally wrong on pricing and weakness. I'm not talking about the working girls, because frankly, these discussions about a 200 b over charge/or tip to a working girl can get annoying....but in big business showing weakness is the death march for your company.....believe me.....been there....done that.....peace/out.
You made some good points about taxis in BKK
However, taxis were readily available in BKK in 1972. Toyota Corollas mostly and you had to bargain and establish a price before getting in the car.
Then I must protest!!!
I will have to start, immediately, writing a letter to Saint Peter of paradise for allowing Mr. Alzheimer to escape out of there where he belongs and pay me a visit. LOL
Member #3428
01-07-09, 03:35
There is no need to accept a flat rate taxi fare traveling inside of bkk, unless you want to. There are plenty of moving taxis who will turn on the meter. Just be patient.
No need to tip them either, but rounding up to the nearest 5 baht is no big deal. Thais do this.
Not exactly true for me. Coming back to the bus stop from isan after New Year, we were dropped off in the field instead of terminal as it was jammed packed up, walking to the road we were asked for 300 baht to go to Suk Soi 22, so we waited and waited and walked over to the meter taxi area and waited and waited an HOUR ++++ and ended up paying about 180 baht and gave him the extra 20 baht so 200 baht and we paid the toll too.
If the TGF would have let me I'd have given up the extra 100 baht (3 USD) instead of standing in the mob scene (too many folks coming back and way way too few taxis at 4 am) for the extra hour plus.
Yes I do not support overpaying as it drives the price up but it comes a time that I'll pay a premium.
There's a lot of silliness recently on this forum, like the idea that what gains you respect in Thailand is to "always hold your ground on price and never show weakness". What gains you respect as a farang -- a tough job to start with -- is speaking good Thai and dealing with things in a polite, good humored Thai way. It is incredibly effective once you begin to get the hang of it. It just isn't very easy.
This is a misconception. Speaking thai makes things easier b/c you are able to communicate and it seems like everyone is having fun. Thais may even feel more comfortable around you and like you a bit more, however, it doesn't guarantee respect. . Thais respect people who have high status or people with power and money. These type of people generally are not weak and the thais know it. Show you are weak and ignorant and the Thais will eat you for lunch. This is probably a better topic for the thai culture section not bkk.
M P Lurker
01-07-09, 05:37
He's talking about the "sideline" girls.....and he explains his meaning of "freelancer"...."Also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the FB, hanging out on a sofa…. These are Freelancers, they do not work for the Massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket Cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the MP if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed".
Sure but the sideline girls are indeed working for the MP.
They might be walking around, but labelling then "freelancers" is really stretching the meaning.
In my opinion most "Sideline" girls are professional Soapy girls and not doing it as a second casual job.
The Soapy wants a lot of rules and strict discipline.
Usually girls get small fines if they don't show up or hefty fines if don't show on important days like Saturday. There are girls employed on a casual basis that can turn up irregularly, but they are still subject to rules of the place. They still have to go through the hiring process.
The customer still has to pay the full price at the normal place. He is not dealing directly with the girl. The girl still has medical checks, etc.
I don't recall ever meeting a girl at a Soapy that was doing some other job like cashier in a Supermarket and only occasionally coming to the Soapy. Stunning girls that can get away with showing up now and then normally couldn't be bothered to be a supermarket cashier. No point to it. But could happen rarely.
So I wouldn't like to say there are girls that are not "professional". Being a Soapy girl is a profession in my view even if only working part time. It may be true that the service is not very "professional". LOL
So Nic has probably mentioned a few things that are not quite the norm in my opinion. However I must concede that I could be mistaken, so I will follow up some of these issues with my favourite soapy girls to see what they believe to be true.
M P Lurker
01-07-09, 05:45
When a Newbie arrives in Thailand, he almost always has this stupid look, smiling in anticipation towards all the Pussy available. But how does it all work?
It has been said that even the Hunchback of Notre dame could get laid here (maybe he did) for a few baht so is it that easy? The Short answer is YES, it is.
However, doing your homework can really enhance your overall experience as you will know beforehand which places you would like to experience.
....
This report should be very valuable place to point to when all the very basic questions get asked by post or by annoying PMs.
But I think even experienced members will have cause to look up some things in here from time to time. I for example now very little about G Clubs and which places you can BF a girl or not. So my experience is limited. It wasn't that long ago I had never been to an Oily MP. LOL
So we will take "Idiot's Guide" to mean something that covers all the basic questions .. and more.
Sure but the sideline girls are indeed working for the MP.
They might be walking around, but labelling then "freelancers" is really stretching the meaning.
In my opinion most "Sideline" girls are professional Soapy girls and not doing it as a second casual job.
The Soapy wants a lot of rules and strict discipline.
Usually girls get small fines if they don't show up or hefty fines if don't show on important days like Saturday. There are girls employed on a casual basis that can turn up irregularly, but they are still subject to rules of the place. They still have to go through the hiring process.
The customer still has to pay the full price at the normal place. He is not dealing directly with the girl. The girl still has medical checks, etc.
I don't recall ever meeting a girl at a Soapy that was doing some other job like cashier in a Supermarket and only occasionally coming to the Soapy. Stunning girls that can get away with showing up now and then normally couldn't be bothered to be a supermarket cashier. No point to it. But could happen rarely.
So I wouldn't like to say there are girls that are not "professional". Being a Soapy girl is a profession in my view even if only working part time. It may be true that the service is not very "professional". LOL
So Nic has probably mentioned a few things that are not quite the norm in my opinion. However I must concede that I could be mistaken, so I will follow up some of these issues with my favourite soapy girls to see what they believe to be true.What is the "hiring process" for a soapy worker?
Too my regulars there in Thailand, Many people enjoy bargirls I prefer freelancers and 1 in particular, PUI hangs out at Mcdonalds soi 19 at phone booths friend there is cool ladyboy who warns farang of pickpockets in the area and is very kind. I prefer calling her Danni to PUI based on her round face. although we all have our preference not many girls have made me wish I were a better person or younger as this one has. Please give her the respect she deserves and enjoy her hidden charms. (shes shy)
I have been a regular to BKK for 5 years and was quite jaded this christmas tour over the lack of talent out there. Found myself bored of the normal Suk stroll or Tilac. Did enjoy days in biergarden with Noi amd good weather but somethings just amiss and I actually left 2 weeks early. Either I am just changing or BKK has!!
Dobinator1
01-07-09, 06:19
When a Newbie arrives in Thailand, he almost always has this stupid look, smiling in anticipation towards all the Pussy available. But how does it all work?Excellent advice! This forum and its senior members continues to inspire and educate.
...So we will take "Idiot's Guide" to mean something that covers all the basic questions .. and more.
That's very true, Mick, but only if Mr. Nic follows up on his promise to fill in the eight or so "comming soon" catagories of the tome.
We're all still waiting with baited breath, (at least I am), for the second installment in his tale of the 53 year old insatiable gik, (the part where he actually fucks her), yet it has not been forthcomming. :D
M P Lurker
01-07-09, 07:36
That's very true, Mick, but only if Mr. Nic follows up on his promise to fill in the eight or so "comming soon" catagories of the tome.
We're all still waiting with baited breath, (at least I am), for the second installment in his tale of the 53 year old insatiable gik, (the part where he actually fucks her), yet it has not been forthcomming. :D
Well he is a very busy man, having to work in between all those giks and MPs, so we cannot expect the world in a hurry.
But eventually, we will all get to benefit from his very broad experience.
When I am working, outside Thailand, I am hardly getting any action to take up my time.
NicFrenchy
01-07-09, 07:56
Nic has only been to Annies (not exactly a normal Soapy) and a couple of others. So he does have some stange ideas about Soapies. ;)
Hahahahaha I was actually going to ask you to complete the report :)
Yes, I was talking about the 2 shots Guaranteed Soapies (Annies & Darlings) and was going to create another Section for the Upmarket Soapies. Care to write it for me? please? ;)
NicFrenchy
01-07-09, 08:00
He's talking about the "sideline" girls.....and he explains his meaning of "freelancer"...."Also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the FB, hanging out on a sofa…. These are Freelancers, they do not work for the Massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket Cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the MP if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed".
You nailed it. It's like you live inside my mind ;)
(don't get nervous... there are a lot of pretty girls in there)
NicFrenchy
01-07-09, 08:02
Besides that I hope that your dick will not heal too fast, that you have enough time (in the coming days) to complete the "coming soon" sections :) .
It looks as if it has healed already but I'll let another week go by just to be safe.
I would not want to be the girl that will get me after 2 weeks os starvation... I will unload a river of sperm in her mouth :D
NicFrenchy
01-07-09, 08:07
We're all still waiting with baited breath, (at least I am), for the second installment in his tale of the 53 year old insatiable gik, (the part where he actually fucks her), yet it has not been forthcomming. :D
Mea culpa... but I did manage to write 75% of the rest... since my dick is still hurt :(
NicFrenchy
01-07-09, 08:09
Well he is a very busy man, having to work in between all those giks and MPs, so we cannot expect the world in a hurry.
*Sobbing* Well I do not have any giks at this time... they're all gone (my decision) but you never know, after all, this is Thailand adn girls are always 1 sms away ;)
M P Lurker
01-07-09, 08:10
Hahahahaha I was actually going to ask you to complete the report :)
Yes, I was talking about the 2 shots Guaranteed Soapies (Annies & Darlings) and was going to create another Section for the Upmarket Soapies. Care to write it for me? please? ;)
Well I will agree to add my thoughts or comment where your view seems a little distorted in terms of overall Soapies.
But I think its a great idea to put Soapies into two categories as Sukhumvit soeapies seem to be not typical.
I have only been to Darling twice, and not what I am used to. One session was O.K. Annies, I didn't go upstairs at all as only fancied the mamasan.
Lets get together soon. I would like you to help more with the Oilies Maps too as you know far more than me.
Well I will agree to add my thoughts or comment where your view seems a little distorted in terms of overall Soapies.
But I think its a great idea to put Soapies into two categories...
And please don't forget to include complete price structure infomation, including farang surcharges, recommended tipping, etc., so we know exactly the total expected cost at each establishment.
Thanks.
M P Lurker
01-07-09, 08:46
And please don't forget to include complete price structure infomation, including farang surcharges, recommended tipping, etc., so we know exactly the total expected cost at each establishment.
Thanks.
Daddy,
I already post prices and surcharges that on my BKK Soapies Map.
I can't give recommended tipping really, as prices at Soapies are generally all inclusive (except for Annies) and its really up to generosity and character of each individual guy.
But are you really interested in coming to BKK to visit the Soapies?
Perhaps one of you guys could give us a complete run down on the Pattaya Soapies or are they all completely useless?
NicFrenchy
01-07-09, 10:08
Perhaps one of you guys could give us a complete run down on the Pattaya Soapies or are they all completely useless?
I heard them Saunas in Pattaya can get very kinky :D
Come on Daddy07... Spill the beans!
Daddy,
I already post prices and surcharges that on my BKK Soapies Map.
I can't give recommended tipping really, as prices at Soapies are generally all inclusive (except for Annies) and its really up to generosity and character of each individual guy.
But are you really interested in coming to BKK to visit the Soapies?
Perhaps one of you guys could give us a complete run down on the Pattaya Soapies or are they all completely useless?
Personally, I'm not really interested in visiting BKK Soapies, but you never know, and I'm sure there are lots of us who ARE interested and don't want to pay too much.
I've always been confused about which places expect the customer to pay the girl seperately and which are "all in." For instance, at an oily where you pay the shop so much for a 90 minutes massage and pay the girl 1500 for FS, are you expected to tip beyond that, or not? And at soapies where you pay 2500 for "all in" services, do the girls expect a tip as well, and if so, what is sufficient? Also, is haggling with the Pappasan common? All of this remains a mystery with me.
I heard them Saunas in Pattaya can get very kinky :D
Come on Daddy07... Spill the beans!
Never tried 'em. So if anyone here has, I'd love to know the details.
I have tried one soapy in BKK (Malibu, I think it was, behind Posideon). It was OK and I got 2 pops but still didn't think it was worth the price. I've also gone to Angel's near Giotto's Lodge and had a good time with a nice girl.
I like to create my own adventures in the comfort of my own condo, when the price is agreed upon in advance and tipping is not normally required, except perhaps a few baht now and then for motorbike taxi if requested.
M P Lurker
01-07-09, 10:24
Never tried 'em. So if anyone here has, I'd love to know the details.
I have tried one soapy in BKK (Malibu, I think it was, behind Posideon). It was OK and I got 2 pops but still didn't think it was worth the price. I've also gone to Angel's near Giotto's Lodge and had a good time with a nice girl.
I like to create my own adventures in the comfort of my own condo, when the price is agreed upon in advance and tipping is not normally required, except perhaps a few baht now and then for motorbike taxi if requested.
So that's why I am surprised by your requests for information that you won't actually find useful. I understand that some guys are able to watch their budget well. I need to learn this better :( instead of wanting the best possible girl for the best possible expereince somewhat letting cost go a bit out of control.
Retired Army
01-07-09, 10:43
then i must protest!!!
i will have to start, immediately, writing a letter to saint peter of paradise for allowing mr. alzheimer to escape out of there where he belongs and pay me a visit. lol
i can remember my first night in thailand like it was yesterday. however, i can't remember what i did last night.
it was 1973 and i was 20 years old, dumb and full of cum. had a three day flight on a pan am 707 charter out of travis afb, california that stopped at every rock in the pacific, viet nam, and then bkk.
a couple of other gis and i had a room at the honey hotel on suk soi 19 and we wanted to see the famous bangkok night life. we hailed an ancient toyota corolla taxi from the street and got inside. to say this thing was a piece of shit would have been a compliment. there wasn't a fender that didn't have a dent, the primary color was bondo, the door panels were missing as was most of the dashboard. even though the front end shook like crazy at speeds over 35 mph the driver proceeded to drive like a bat-out-of hell through bangkok traffic narrowly missing the back of a large flat-bed truck which he went under when he changed lanes.
when we got to our destination, and like the dumb-shits we were, asked how much expecting there was some kind of meter somewhere we couldn't see he said something outrageous like 100 baht. we all pitched in and paid him a dollar each for a ten minute ride and then proceeded to a massage parlor where we got a hot bath, genuine massage followed by a "happy ending" hand-job. total cost $5.00
seems tame by todays' standards but when you were young, sexually inexperienced and it's your first time to the big city it seemed like a big deal. and now at my age and experience the eden club is boring as hell.
ra
NicFrenchy
01-07-09, 11:31
I can remember my first night in Thailand like it was yesterday....It was 1973...
Shit, I wasn't even born! LOL
Show you are weak and ignorant and the Thais will eat you for lunch.Sorry, I wouldn't know about that.
I'll say it again: I believe that the most important way to get treated well by Thais is to learn the Thai style of politeness -- confident, good humored, and well spoken. Learn about "kan eng" and "kreng jai" and how they work. And you're right, this discussion doesn't really belong here, so I'll leave it at that.
Personally, I'm not really interested in visiting BKK Soapies, but you never know, and I'm sure there are lots of us who ARE interested and don't want to pay too much.
I've always been confused about which places expect the customer to pay the girl seperately and which are "all in." For instance, at an oily where you pay the shop so much for a 90 minutes massage and pay the girl 1500 for FS, are you expected to tip beyond that, or not? And at soapies where you pay 2500 for "all in" services, do the girls expect a tip as well, and if so, what is sufficient? Also, is haggling with the Pappasan common? All of this remains a mystery with me.
In general unless otherwise quoted in the original price
In the oilies you pay the shop for the massage only. Any extra service you pay to the provider in the form of 500, 1000, 1500 for Hand Job, Blow Job and Full service respectively.
In the soapies full service is included in the price. If you get a real good service with 2 pops and you feel that she went over the limit for you then 500-1000 is a very good tip. If she is average 300 will do. If you are not satisfied don't give them anything even if they ask. At least that's what I am doing.
Watch out in some shopies you can take the girl (usually a little older and more experienced) only for massage and pay 700-1000 for that. Full service is not included in this price. Depending on the soapie another 1000-1500 directly to her will be good for her full service. I do it sometimes in ChaoPaya 2 when I am in need, primarily, of a good massage. They know that full service has not been paid and they try harder to get the money for it.
Remember money is not that important, as the big smile on your face is, after a good session. I always tip, allover the world, the ones who manage to give me that big smile.
Jackzonian
01-07-09, 22:24
Thank Buddha we're moving on from dissecting the Taxi trade. More about girlz, pleeze.
My fave of all times was "Gaye. ". About 20, full natural guns, a little taller than average, pretty with a laid back attitude. Pulled her from Erotica (3rd floor Nana Plaza in the back.) She had a euro-boyfriend at 17 who scooped her from a restaurant, and joined the game at 19 when he ditched her. The thing was, she really enjoyed s_x. The moans were genuine because she would whisper 'more, ' and 'yeah, yeah' in Thai, then nearly pass out after she let it rip. I saw her several times, and when I was lucky enough to return 6 mos later, she was there at Erotica. Not sure she remembered me, but I knew her. Sadly, 6 months put about 18 months on her look, but that's that life, I guess.
Anyone been to Erotica lately? . Going back end of the month.
Jck
She had a euro-boyfriend at 17 who scooped her from a restaurant, and joined the game at 19 when he ditched her
This guy is smart.
NicFrenchy
01-08-09, 06:11
The thing was, she really enjoyed s_x.
You mean Sex?
I have found that Thai ladies really do enjoy sex in general. It is a natural source of pleasure and they are not shy to say what they like. Most Thai girls masturbate a lot. I am not sure western women are that horny.
M P Lurker
01-08-09, 07:20
You mean Sex?
I have found that Thai ladies really do enjoy sex in general. It is a natural source of pleasure and they are not shy to say what they like. Most Thai girls masturbate a lot. I am not sure western women are that horny.
Nic,
Are you meeting a representative proportion of the Thai population, or just the super sexed ones?
I find that most Thais, including my GFs, are indeed shy to say exactly what they want or to talk about subjects like masturbation, initially. However they did greatly appreciate vibrators for when I was not around, even if they didn't consider them previously.
Many Thai girls would not know how to give a good blow job.
I think you are experiencing a non-represntative set of girls, as usual LOL ;)
I will agree that Thai girls are into having good sex. But I find they are a bit shy to be open about it with men, unless have known them for a while.
Retired Army
01-08-09, 08:35
Nic,
Are you meeting a representative proportion of the Thai population, or just the super sexed ones?
I find that most Thais, including my GFs, are indeed shy to say exactly what they want or to talk about subjects like masturbation, initially. However they did greatly appreciate vibrators for when I was not around, even if they didn't consider them previously.
Many Thai girls would not know how to give a good blow job.
I think you are experiencing a non-represntative set of girls, as usual LOL ;)
I will agree that Thai girls are into having good sex. But I find they are a bit shy to be open about it with men, unless have known them for a while.
Obviously we are talking about non P4P girls here.
I think Thai girls like sex as much as anyone else, but they are initially more reserved than Western women. It takes them a while to loosen up and get comfortable with a man, but when they do it's worth the time and effort.
My wife had never used a vibrator until I introduced her to one. Now I am forever replacing the worn out batteries. She has told me sometimes she uses it several times a day when I am away. Better that than a Pu-a-noi. Guess I should get smart and spring for an electric model.
Agree with you on the blow job. I had to give Thai girls lots of instruction before they got it perfect. It's not that they didn't like doing a BJ, just that they weren't all that experienced and I'm not sure it comes natural to them because of their repressed upbringing.
Italy 1974
01-08-09, 11:38
Which kind of Thais are we talking about?
If we are talking about educated professional people o middle class people I agree that if you treat them nicely (no need in the "thai" way, just in a "international" way) you will be treated accordingly.
But if you are talking about bargirls, bargirls family and lower classes, the only thing they want from you is your money.
Not that it's wrong: they are basically poor people and they usually come from a village in the forest so they are entitled to do this.
And if a bargirl provides good sex I am more than happy to give her good money!
But that's it!
What do you think you can talk about with a taxi driver? The gaza crisis?
Or with a bargirl? The credit crunch?
At least you can discuss hot topic as how to feed baby buffalos...
Italy 1974
Sorry, I wouldn't know about that.
I'll say it again: I believe that the most important way to get treated well by Thais is to learn the Thai style of politeness -- confident, good humored, and well spoken. Learn about "kan eng" and "kreng jai" and how they work. And you're right, this discussion doesn't really belong here, so I'll leave it at that.
Jackzonian
01-08-09, 21:04
Check out the front page item about an Aussie idiot who got snookered by a TSW over a period of years. (sorry Aussie-brothers) Once again, keep your cool in the l. O. S. While you're having the time of your life, there's danger everywhere. Sort of Heaven & Hell all mixed up like two spools of yarn.
The PDN is a great read for the violence and chaos! Love it.
http://www.pattayadailynews.com/
or
http://www.pattayadailynews.com/showfeature.php?FeatureID=0000001015
LittleBigMan
01-08-09, 22:51
R.A.
Here is a suggestion. My buddy in China use to take the girls to his Condo, and drink, sing, play strip poker and at the same time play his xxxxxx tapes for the girls. He had tapes for everything, S&M, blowjobs, anal, etc.. This was his training tool. It seem to work because every year when I visit we would head off into China and his get away Condo and have a time of our lives. Never had a problem with a lousy blowjob.
I would stay away with the electric vibrator. With the juices flowing you don't want her to kill herself doing it. The voltage is too high man 230 in Thailand!
LBM
Jackzonian
01-08-09, 23:10
I phrased that post badly.- and I apologize in advance before Aussie Mongers assault me. I just meant "idiots. " The guy in the article happened to be an Aussie, but it could have been anybody. I have a lot of Aussie buds and Aussie are, in general, excellent dudes, tops. I lived there a couple of years so I know. I shouldn't have written it the way I did..but that guy was a sucker. Don't be a sucker. Thailand will chew you up and spit you out. But it's still the best place on the planet! No hard feelings, Lads. Jck
Which kind of Thais are we talking about?
If you are talking about bargirls, bargirls family and lower classes, the only thing they want from you is your money.Lower classes? How patronising. You're generalising about millions of people, and hence you are, almost by definition, wrong. What do you (or I) know about the thoughts and needs of the majority of ordinary people in Thailand? In general I have found people in Thailand (and all other SE Asian countries) to be friendly, warm-spirited and generous.
Even if you were just talking about a few girls from the Beergarden I'm not sure I would agree with you.
Jackzonian
01-08-09, 23:46
I reprint the old joke here: Q. How do you make a girl cum? Ans: Who Cares?
I didn't mean to imply TG do or don't enjoy sex, but I appreciate the sub-topic it inspired in my fellow dogs! I was really just saying that this filly did. And I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the 2-year deal she had with her first boyfriend. (Thanks, Hans.) There was a GFE aspect to it: inspired oral, abandon, nails-in-the-back, enjoyment, all over the map. And post-climax giggling you don't get all the time. I'm no fool, so I rarely if ever believe the usual acting (though I appreciate it! ) Gaye was the real deal.
Italy 1974
01-08-09, 23:53
Lower classes? How patronising. You're generalising about millions of people, and hence you are, almost by definition, wrong. What do you (or I) know about the thoughts and needs of the majority of ordinary people in Thailand? In general I have found people in Thailand (and all other SE Asian countries) to be friendly, warm-spirited and generous.
Even if you were just talking about a few girls from the Beergarden I'm not sure I would agree with you.What do I ahve to say?
I wrote exactly what I think.
If you prefer to limit our discussion to bargirls, I emains that the only interest they may have ina "farang" is money.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
Italy 1974
First Lover
01-08-09, 23:55
are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
Retired Army
01-09-09, 03:19
R.A.
I would stay away with the electric vibrator. With the juices flowing you don't want her to kill herself doing it. The voltage is too high man 230 in Thailand!
LBM
My plan is to give her a 110 volt vibrator and plug it into 230. that way she gets twice the stimilation ;)
I use my gasoline powered vibrator (Harley) when I really want to get their juices flowing. I had a girl friend who used ben-wa balls and would have multiple orgasims during a ride.
Cunning Stunt
01-09-09, 03:50
My plan is to give her a 110 volt vibrator and plug it into 230. that way she gets twice the stimilation ;)
I use my gasoline powered vibrator (Harley) when I really want to get their juices flowing. I had a girl friend who used ben-wa balls and would have multiple orgasims during a ride.
Hahaha - don't always agree with your views RA, but appreciate your sense of the absurd.
Speaking of the absurd and the lengths some will go to in the pursuit of pleasure, check out this internal link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=824554&postcount=3745
Now that is devotion to mongering duties, lugging a 20lb Sybian with you on your hols. What a star. My admiration is undisguised.
:D GH
M P Lurker
01-09-09, 04:26
My plan is to give her a 110 volt vibrator and plug it into 230. that way she gets twice the stimilation ;)
I use my gasoline powered vibrator (Harley) when I really want to get their juices flowing. I had a girl friend who used ben-wa balls and would have multiple orgasims during a ride.
Be careful man.
I had this hot bargirl on my part time screw list who used to perform very well in bed. Her personality was not the greatest, but fucking was the important bit.
She gave me her spec for a BIG powerful jack rabbit vibe with rotating internal beads and the attached clit stimulator.
I gave to her as a pre new year present. Can be a big risk to get replaced by a machine. Now she has been struck off my list, as she has become very lazy performer in bed.
See this post for the report including pic of the device that was just too powerful.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=830047&postcount=2755
LittleBigMan
01-09-09, 04:37
R.A.
Get one of those boil eggs with a single AAA batteries, watch her insert it in and watch her go crazy. Allow her to increase or perfect her muscle control.
M P Lurker
01-09-09, 04:42
are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
soi cowboy has some, e.g. toy bar. a good place for exhibitionaists (or guys just not shy) to get a bj in public with everyone in the bar able to see you if you don't want to go to a dark corner. i forget the names of others. would have to do a thread search.
if you want exteeeeended bjs, then tulip mp is probably the ultimate. several mates go there to get endless pops till there time runs out be it 1 hour or 2. thats where to go to get thoroughly "sucked dry". its not necessary to have any massage at tulip (i rarely do - as time usually runs out) but you can do other things besides bbbj cim if you want.
you could even have two girls if you wanted to spurge. than could get balls licked bby one while other is doing the shaft.
another option is to get a lady with big tits who can give light tit massage of your balls while blowing you, e.g. "tuk" has big tits i believe.
there are other mps that specialise in bjs, rimming and cat baths, with akane coming to mind.
this morning i have a girl coming to visit my room who is a deapthroat bj specialist, but i intend to fuck her as well as she has a very nice pussy. personally i prefer the option to do everything and so go to bj places rather rarely.
First Lover
01-09-09, 05:21
thank you for the info on bj bar "toy bar" in soi cowboy. i did not now this one was a blowjob bar, i had heard that "rawhide" had this possibility but actually never really had a bj in soi cowboy.
i was in star of light in the fall of last year first time, that was fun. otherwise i have just been to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900).
i have also been to tulip but that was for the whole menu of massage, bj, fs, including anal, that was a really good service, i even remember her name, jojo gave excellent service.
i am going to try toy bar in feb. as i go on holiday again.
thanks again for the info.
What do you think you can talk about with a taxi driver?Probably depends a lot on your language abilities. I talk to Bangkok cabbies about all kinds of things, from the economic crisis to Buddhism to food to politics (though you have to be careful with that one). Over the years I can't tell you how much information, gossip, rumors, funny stories, and language help I've gotten from these guys.
As far as bargirls, yes, it's pretty much silly jokes and flirting, especially with the younger ones. But even there occasionally you find one who actually has something to say for herself.
I live and work with respectable middle-class Thais so I naturally tend to treat what you call the 'lower classes' the same way. You might be surprised how often they respond well to it.
Retired Army
01-09-09, 08:00
Hahaha - don't always agree with your views RA, but appreciate your sense of the absurd.
Speaking of the absurd and the lengths some will go to in the pursuit of pleasure, check out this internal link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=824554&postcount=3745
Now that is devotion to mongering duties, lugging a 20lb Sybian with you on your hols. What a star. My admiration is undisguised.
:D GH
Hey, my views are always the best and brightest, most reasoned and rational. Just ask me and I will be happy to tell you.
I've actually seen a Sybian in a sex shop in Amsterdam. But my question is: if I bought one for the little lady what would she need me for other than taking out the garbage?
Retired Army
01-09-09, 08:05
Be careful man.
I had this hot bargirl on my part time screw list who used to perform very well in bed. Her personality was not the greatest, but fucking was the important bit.
She gave me her spec for a BIG powerful jack rabbit vibe with rotating internal beads and the attached clit stimulator.
I gave to her as a pre new year present. Can be a big risk to get replaced by a machine. Now she has been struck off my list, as she has become very lazy performer in bed.
See this post for the report including pic of the device that was just too powerful.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=830047&postcount=2755
As long as I can lick my eyebrows I'm safe.
Check out the front page item about an Aussie idiot who got snookered by a TSW over a period of years.I especially liked the 'clues' they provided about her so that others 'don't fall into the same trap', like that she's about 30, has 3 tattoos, and is 'a smooth talker and an habitual liar'. I guess we'll all be able to spot her now.
R.A.
Get one of those boil eggs with a single AAA batteries, watch her insert it in and watch her go crazy. Allow her to increase or perfect her muscle control.
I'd love to get hold of one, and many other toys, BUT being permanently in Thailand makes it difficult. Anyone have any suggestions? Most mail order companies seem to exclude deliveries to Thailand.
I'd love to get hold of one, and many other toys, BUT being permanently in Thailand makes it difficult. Anyone have any suggestions? Most mail order companies seem to exclude deliveries to Thailand.Jump on a plane to Kunming for the weekend, plenty of sex shops there supplying all sorts of devices and tablets and lotions and potions and lingerie and whatever else you could ever want to buy.
Road directly behind the "Golden Dragon" hotel has a couple of shops.
PS - Given it appears I am now "moderated" after my "chats" with Giotto, you might find this post appears a couple of days from now and you might miss it as by the time its posted its a page or few down from the latest posts - sad - but thats the way it is and why I hardly bother to do any posts now.
are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
you can have a bj in the bar at after skool at soi cowboy, in the so called "naughty boy corner". if you want, you can get 2 girls, one sucks you while you kiss and fondle the other. cost as usual 700 b per girl
I'd love to get hold of one, and many other toys, BUT being permanently in Thailand makes it difficult. Anyone have any suggestions? Most mail order companies seem to exclude deliveries to Thailand.Emigrate to the UK! Paradise. Sex shops in every high street...! :-)
On second thoughts... :-(
Emigrate to the UK! Paradise. Sex shops in every high street...! :-)
On second thoughts... :-(
The rate the high Street shops are closing, there might be nothing left but sex shops soon.
But having bought the toys, there will be no money left to pay someone to use them on! UK Pang mak mak!
FlyingVisitor
01-09-09, 11:09
are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
it is a good idea to summarise and list the specific places where you can get a bj in the publicity of the bar and not in some hidden corners. i do hope that members will contribute.
my only experience is sol in patpong ii. that place is perfect, however, in terms of technique and thrill.
enjoy
fv
Italy 1974
01-09-09, 11:51
Don get me wrong.
I treat everyone in a fair way, low, mddle or high class people.
I just think.and I had many proofs of that- that for the "common" thai any farang is seen just as a prospect of income. And it may be in short, in the medium or in the long time: it depends from many factors.
I can speak a reasonable good Thai and I had many interesting talks with business people.
But this never happened on a taxi or with a girl.
Still I had meny very very good fucks with many girls.
These are their best skills: suck and fuck, not talk.
Italy 1974
Probably depends a lot on your language abilities. I talk to Bangkok cabbies about all kinds of things, from the economic crisis to Buddhism to food to politics (though you have to be careful with that one). Over the years I can't tell you how much information, gossip, rumors, funny stories, and language help I've gotten from these guys.
As far as bargirls, yes, it's pretty much silly jokes and flirting, especially with the younger ones. But even there occasionally you find one who actually has something to say for herself.
I live and work with respectable middle-class Thais so I naturally tend to treat what you call the 'lower classes' the same way. You might be surprised how often they respond well to it.
Italy 1974
01-09-09, 11:54
It is a good idea to summarise and list the specific places where you can get a BJ in the publicity of the bar and not in some hidden corners. I do hope that members will contribute.
My only experience is SOL in Patpong II. That place is perfect, however, in terms of technique and thrill.
Enjoy,
FVIn Bangkok I experienced only the SOL.
In Pattaya a good place is My Friend You bar on soi 6. Many other bar on soi 6 offer the possibility to get a blowjob in public.
Italy 1974
are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
as mentioned, afterskool is another place you can go, but the girls will want you to buy them a drink beforehand. careful there - she'll ask for a "tequila and coke", which is actually 2 drinks, but you don't know this until the bill comes.
the kangaroo bar in patpong is another one, and the place that used to be [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) (also in patpong) is yet another bj bar, although i've never been to either.
in pattaya, there are a few bars at the entrance to soi 6 (on second road) where you can get a bj in the bar. check the pattaya thread for more info.
Adelante Siempre
01-10-09, 07:06
Great for those guys who can get off in ten minutes, in that case 700 baht is a good deal at Afterskool. They could not get me off though, even three girls working on my cock in the back corner. The bar was full too, so I think it was a major achievement to keep a hard on going while guys were walking past on the way to the bathroom. It's not a dedicated blow job bar OTOH. Still, it's an experience for those who can get off in a short time by a blow job. You save the 400 baht hotel room fee, and it's only 700 versus the 1500.
NicFrenchy
01-10-09, 07:22
are you able to tell us where to find the bj bars.
i only know of two bj bars in bkk being [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and star of light and only sol give bj right there in the bar. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) take you upstairs.
perhaps you are able to share information on that?
thanks
bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars
there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.
bkk has many bj bars, some very popular adn some less.
the 2 star bj bars are:
star of light (aka sol) in patpong 2 (ground floor)
[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) in sukhumvit soi 8
however there are more:
linda/kob bar in patpong 2 (upstairs)
kangaroo bar patpong 1
afterskool's naughty boy corner in soi cowboy
joy bar in soi cowboy
jungle jims in soi cowboy
fannys in soi cowboy
wild country in washington square
tina's in soi 22
There was a GFE aspect to it: inspired oral, abandon, nails-in-the-back, enjoyment, all over the map. And post-climax giggling you don't get all the time. I'm no fool, so I rarely if ever believe the usual acting (though I appreciate it! ) Gaye was the real deal. Beware of P4P TGs who give you the GFE of digging their claws into your back during sex, or cutting you with their nails while massaging the balls or putting on the condom. You can get CA MRSA, a potentially fatal infection, from such, besides numerous other problems. This may concern me more than HIV or anything else one could name.
I prefer the starfishes over the porcupines. At least they don't send me to the hospital, cost 20, 000 baht there, and ruin weeks of vacation time.
They also tend to be quieter than the GFE types who may exhibit obviously fake or extremely loud groans that wake up the entire hotel. With this occuring during the sex act it ruins it by distracting my concentration and or making me laugh, in which case I may even lose erection.
On a more positive note, I recently enjoyed a two hour BJ from a super hottie who looks like the character Kim Bauer in the TV series 24. This cost about 100 USD or 3000 Baht. In my cuntry it'd be about 600 bucks. And she may be the hottest I've ever seen anywhere, even internet porn, of which I've seen a ton.
M P Lurker
01-10-09, 09:46
the 2 star bj bars are:
star of light (aka sol) in patpong 2 (ground floor)
[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) in sukhumvit soi 8
which are the 5 star ones :confused: ;)
Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.
Thunderdome
01-10-09, 19:17
Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.Appreciate your Nana info. We will be there in a week and so curious about how things are around Nana, Beergarden soi 7 etc. Volume and quantity of girls etc. I think you are right. We should not be over-paying now. We are all damn fortunate to be going away on a new adventure.
After the hell of this last year, I am ready to have a MAJOR good time.
Thanks again.
Adelante Siempre
01-10-09, 20:17
Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.
Is the $600 bar fine negotiable at all? It seems like if the bars are hurting as well then they should be thinking of deep discounts. But that's not Thai logic, I know. On the other hand, the girls seem to be more logical, what a surprise.
Because then the total cost is still B1600 per girl.
NicFrenchy
01-11-09, 04:02
Is the $600 bar fine negotiable at all?
I think you meant 600 baht and not $600? ;)
Yesterday I somehow needed to get out of Livingstone's for some time, and decided to walk around a bit.
Champagne Charly's
I made my way down Sukhumvit, walking on the even side of the road, nearly alone, on a Saturday evening. The first venue which caught my eye was Champagne Charly's, close to Asoke, opposite Soi 23.
This is the new Champagne Lounge, before close to Soi 4. The owner closed it down some time ago, and re-opened "Champagne Charly's" with partners approx. 3-6 month ago. Concept is a upmarket Lounge, targetting basically Thai business men and their foreign visitors. From outside it looks quite exclusive, seams to have 3 levels with different activities (Lounge, Karaoke rooms etc. ). I was not dressed appropriately, otherwise I would have checked it out. In my POV this club has no chance to survive - bad location, no parking space, the economic crisis - looks like a major investment will go down the hill.
Nana Plaza
The street became more crowded in the lower Sukhumvit area, some tourists there, most of them single men heading for Nana. Some couples, standard monger couples (older farang man with young Thai woman walking hand in hand), some tourists couples (not walking hand in hand).
It was a no-alcohol day, today (Sunday) are governor elections here in Bangkok. I expected some of the bars to be closed (nearly everything in Soi 33 was closed) - but everything was open. For the early night there was a surprising action at the parking lot area already - seams to be the LM market at that time. I remember some LBs usually waiting at the entrance of Nana and on the opposite side of the road there, but yesterday they obviously held a kind of meeting at the parking lot.
The ground floor of Nana Plaza was relatively empty. The beer bars there had very few customers, and not too many girls were waiting to be hunted. I looked for some friends inside Voodoo (gogo bar), quality not worth to be mentioned - but nobody there. The bar nearly empty, 10 girls dancing unmotivated ... one soda water and I was out of it.
Rainbow 4 - some customers in there, but it was early. Around 50 girls dancing, average quality, some really young and skinny ones, some lookers - but I wasn't really impressed. A mamasan came to me and asked for a drink. A mamasan asked for a drink!!! OK - that was it, I was out of there.
On the way out I realized a construction site in the upper level area - obviously a new ST hotel is built opposite to the already existing one, level at 2 and 3, on the Rainbow 4 side close to the entrance/exit of Nana Plaza.
Cialis/Apcalis
Shortly after I left Nana I was offered Cialis/Apcalis on the street (still Soi 4). I checked the packages - it looked ok, but I strongly recommend not to buy this pills from street vendors. Just walk down to Sukhumvit road, turn left direction JW Marriott, and after 30 m there are two pharmacies, that sell all vitamin pills you might need, the originals as well as generics. Don't take the risk to buy that stuff from street vendors!
Soi Cowboy
Soi Cowboy has changed a lot in the past year - nearly all bars have outside areas for smokers in front of their entrances. Beer bar style areas with tables and bar stools, and you can sit there watching the people promenading the street up and down.
It was not crowded either, most of the seats were not occupied. So I had mercy with one of the bars and invested half an hour for a bottle of water. That bar owner made the turnover of his life last night :) .
It's really funny to sit there and watch the people. I saw some undecided hunters passing by several times - one guy so obvious, that I started to count - approx. 8 times up and down the road in 30 minutes. The elephant passed by only one time :) ... Then a leather-dressed guy on a Harley Davidson drove in and parked his vehicle directly in front of Suzie Wong. Of course he got all the attention he obviously needed.
Raw Hide - the bar is closed for rennovations at the moment. They had a fire there 10 days ago.
The only stunning girl I saw yesterday stood in front of Suzie Wong and seams to work there. Absolutely beautiful, Isaan girl, dark skin, eyes like diamonds - eye catching. I was tempted to go in there to watch her dancing, she was obviously a dancer there dressed in a silk bathrobe the dancers usually wear when they stand outside of the bars.
Sharks
But I decided to skip Suzie Wong's - the first SMS were popping up, Mrs. G. was suspicious about my whereabout. I replied I was in Cowboy - and all hell broke loose :). But that's a different story.
I walked into Sharks, at around 9:15 pm. It had some crowd, but there were still benches in good observation position free. The girls quality is quite high - if one likes young and skinny girls. Most of the girls there are younger than 25, and have really good bodies. But - if they have breasts they are faked, otherwise they are [nearly] invisible (ok, I admit, that's a bit exaggerated). Seams that this bar has a special concept for a specific type of girl. Faces are mostly average - I did not see a really beauty - but we all know: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The bar seams to be well organized, the drink came fast, announcements to the girls when dancing shifts had to change. Music system excellent, crystal clear sound. Half of the customers Asian (I was surprised), Japanese and Korean, this has obviously change, when I was last time there 2 years ago this was a farang bar.
If somebody likes this type of girl Sharks can be recommended.
The Penalty Spot
On my way back to Soi 33 I passed by another new place that opened just a few weeks ago - The Panalty Spot. Restaurant and bar. The owner is German, as I heard the same owner as Tilac bar in Soi Cowboy. Some girls were there, obviously girls from Tilac.
The bar is very nicely designed, a huge investment, and has a small outside area for smokers, too.That area was quite crowded, inside the bar only a few tables occupied. The problem with the outside area is that it is directly located at the Sukhumvit road. It is very noisy when the cars are passing by, and all the exhaust gases and the street dust ...
Then menu shows German and Thai food. I tried some German food - no comment. Let's give this place a chance to improve, they just opened. But if you really want to eat Germany food Otto's in Soi 20 is still the place to go, and the German Beer House in Soi 11 has also good German food.
I think that The Penalty Spot will be there for some months, and then disappear. The location is too bad, and though the place is really cozy there will not be enough customers to establish a reasonable business on the long term.
...
I made my way back to Livingstone's - our place was quite crowded last night. Both restaurant and Sports Lounge had customers, staff and girls busy. Some new girls had their first day - and it was Maids Party day. I sat with a customer until late, discussing all issues of this world. He always stopped talking in the middle of his sentences when a maid was passing by. Finally he left me alone at my desk ( :(, such a Bestard) - and joined the maids in the bar. What do they have what I don't have :) ?
Later Mrs. G. discovered that I was back and killed me - and now I am dead. Too sad!
Giotto
...
Because then the total cost is still B1600 per girl.Adelante Siempre,
Yes, quite cheap, right :) ?
Giotto
Yesterday I somehow needed to get out of Livingstone's for some time, and decided to walk around a bit...Later Mrs. G. discovered that I was back and killed me - and now I am dead. Too sad! GiottoI stopped in Livingstone's Lodge last night for dinner with GF#2 (recently upgraded from Gik status). I was hoping to see the Skykorsky but he was resting (or, more likely, busy).
We enjoyed a great light meal by the pool -- Ms. Udon says, "the best Laab Moo in town" -- (wind chill factor 10x last night...brrr). The LL wait staff is definitely the friendliest in town. The comely "maids" looked a little chilled, too
GF was freezing so we went to find a drink on the way home to Chong Nonsi. Ended up at a noisy Patpong beer bar drinking out of paper cups. Election, what election? An mildly entertaining variety of people were out and about, including a lot of busty, lusty, over-the-hill farang tourist women (?).
While buzzing along at 100kph in the taxi near Chula, I couldn't help but think that a night out in Bangkok with a pretty Thai woman is about as much fun as an old skibum can have in the latter half of life. Ahhhh...
Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.
I second that, as in verifying that such prices are available and agreeing we should make sure they stay there as long as possible- or even drop further.
M P Lurker
01-11-09, 05:51
I stopped in Livingstone's Lodge last night for dinner with GF#2 (recently upgraded from Gik status). I was hoping to see the Skykorsky but he was resting (or, more likely, busy).
We enjoyed a great light meal by the pool -- Ms. Udon says, "the best Laab Moo in town" -- (wind chill factor 10x last night...brrr). The LL wait staff is definitely the friendliest in town. The comely "maids" looked a little chilled, too
GF was freezing so we went to find a drink on the way home to Chong Nonsi. Ended up at a noisy Patpong beer bar drinking out of paper cups. Election, what election? An mildly entertaining variety of people were out and about, including a lot of busty, lusty, over-the-hill farang tourist women (?).
While buzzing along at 100kph in the taxi near Chula, I couldn't help but think that a night out in Bangkok with a pretty Thai woman is about as much fun as an old skibum can have in the latter half of life. Ahhhh...
I arrived back from Panthip Plaza just a little late, maybe around 8.30 and had dinner with Auntie G, comparing Gik notes LOL. Yes its a pity I missed you.
Took a stroll down Soi Cowboy on Friday - was pretty crowded but still had a good time.
Fanny's - Usually my first stop, as the draft beer is only 60 baht, and the bartender is a nice looker. Unfortunately she wasn't there, and they've hired this new girl to be in charge of drink orders who is a complete btch. Doesn't smile at all - just wants you to drink your drink and then get out. Needless to say, I did just that.
Deja Vu - Hadn't been in here for awhile - definitely some nice lookers dancing. They advertise that they have draft beer all night for 90 baht. Unfortunately the glass they give you is pretty small. Bought one lady drink for this girl - nice enough, easy to talk to. But I balked when she told me her rates - 2,000 for ST and 4,000 for LT. Out I went.
Baccara - I only go in here because they've got the hottest girls on Cowboy dancing upstairs - best tits on the soi are on display here. But most of these girls only want to go with the Japanese clientele that riddle the place, and if you're not Japanese, it takes some effort for them to notice you. It was towards the end of the night so there weren't very many girls left upstairs. Called one over. She's 27, has a kid. Bought her a drink because she seemed nice enough. She downed it in less than a minute and then asked for a soda and some water. She also wanted 2,000 for ST. Goodbye.
Suzie Wong's - Stopped here last. Had a seat, ordered a beer lao and was looking for my usual girl, Gai, but alas she wasn't there. However, I did spot this 23-year old hottie, Nan. Called her over - she's tall and slim and easy on the eyes. Bought her a drink and she started giving me a lap dance, girating her hips into my groin - she's got a great ass. When I asked her rate she said 2,000 ST and 3,000 LT. Are these the going rates? Who is paying this? I said no way and the price came down to 1500 ST and 2500 LT. Still too expensive (I know, I'm cheap - but I know what the prices SHOULD be). I told her that I was in this bar a few months ago and took a girl for 1500 LT. She thought about it for a few minutes and then agreed -- success! It was the end of the night, so it was really up to her whether or not she wanted to be barfined tonight. I doubt this would have worked at 10pm. Anyway, had two shags, but she was adament in the no picture policy (sorry guys).
M P Lurker
01-11-09, 06:42
When I asked her rate she said 2,000 ST and 3,000 LT. Are these the going rates? Who is paying this? I said no way and the price came down to 1500 ST and 2500 LT. Still too expensive (I know, I'm cheap - but I know what the prices SHOULD be). I told her that I was in this bar a few months ago and took a girl for 1500 LT.
You can't blame them for trying and not showing weakness in negotiating. Many sex tourists can afford to pay 3k for long time, and do if they are not good negotiators and their dick is taking control. For a really top girl, she will get it no problem.
O.K. yours was probably not quite in that ccategory.
$100 for the whole night is really an incredibly good deal compared to their home country where would cost a fortune.
They don't know about the old times. I do remember my first Soi Cowboy girl for 300 Baht LT (but she average looking).
...When I asked her rate she said 2,000 ST and 3,000 LT. Are these the going rates? Who is paying this? I said no way and the price came down to 1500 ST and 2500 LT. Still too expensive (I know, I'm cheap - but I know what the prices SHOULD be)...
Well, that was then, and this is now, my friend. Many of the upper end go-go girls in Pattaya are demanding the same amount, (and getting it), but not from me. (I'm cheap too and know what prices should be, but these girls don't seem to give a shit about what I think) :)
So, I watch the show and sip on my 50 baht happy hour gin and tonic while thinking about where I'll go to find something reasonable.
BTW -- these prima dona's are often the worst starfish in the sea.
Just got out of nana plaza and took 2 girls from different bars. Young and cute. 1000 ST for each. Keep prices low guys! Thais are hurting now.
I've been banging the thai's and Russkies in Pattaya and Bkk since Dec. and the economy here is pretty bad.
This means that the guys paying 2000 and up + barfine for average poon are uneducated or too eager and desperate.
The max I have been paying is 1K and that includes the Indians, Russians and Uzbeki's.
Fight inflation!
Some couples, standard monger couples (older farang man with young Thai woman walking hand in hand), some tourists couples (not walking hand in hand).
Muahaha, great line!
Tourist couples in Bangkok are one thing, but I was surprised at the number of tourist couples strolling down Walking Street in Pattaya (some with kids in tow). I was a bit less surprised that the Madam's smile usually looked a bit sour.
After a late night of drinking and an earlier ST with a tiny spinner from one of the Cowboy Go-Gos, I decided to have a few more drinks at one of the bars that appear on the Asoke sidewalk near the station entrance. Everything else was closed and, not fancying a long walk down Suk, one thing led to another and I ended up back in the hotel with 'Whecar' (sp).
Age - 30
From - Buriram
Face - 5/10
Body - 7/10. Very tiny body and tight pussy
Service - 8/10. Not the most initiative but very obliging and service minded when provided with minimal prompting.
Services - BBBJ (long and very wet), GFE, FS - all positions. Anal not on the menu. 2 shots then curled up nicely for the evening (morning). Another shot before she smiled nicely and left
Cost - LT 2000
PS. Excellent new hotel in Suk Soi 19 - Sasha's Hotel Uno. Walking distance to Cowboy and NEP. GF and fantastic rooms with all the mod cons. Could have 5 or 6 people in the powerful and hot shower- USD37 through Agoda
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