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I am planning a trip to Bangkok. Is the health scare related to the Wuhan Corona virus having any consequences for mongering in Bangkok? E. g. Are some places closed or fewer girls available, or fewer mongers?
My hypothesis would be that there would be no fewer girls, but perhaps a bit fewer mongers and thus it might even be a good time to go to Bangkok. On the other hand, if it gets really bad, being stuck in Bangkok with places shutting down, controls at airports and everyone waring a face mask doesn't seem very fun. Especially for a DFK aficionado like me.I am in the same boat. Was planning on arriving the beginning of February. I am going to wait a few days and see how it plays out, as I am booking close in with FF miles and have timing flexibility.
My general concerns are: being on planes for 20+ hours each way, potentially less intimate (DFK in your example) encounters offered by the ladies, having heightened concerns about her recent customers history, and being in Southeast Asia for weeks during this evolving situation.
I traveled to Bangkok when there were troops in the streets so I am no shrinking violet, but I am taking a wait and see approach on this one.
SL.
I am in the same boat. Was planning on arriving the beginning of February. I am going to wait a few days and see how it plays out, as I am booking close in with FF miles and have timing flexibility.
My general concerns are: being on planes for 20+ hours each way, potentially less intimate (DFK in your example) encounters offered by the ladies, having heightened concerns about her recent customers history, and being in Southeast Asia for weeks during this evolving situation.
I traveled to Bangkok when there were troops in the streets so I am no shrinking violet, but I am taking a wait and see approach on this one.
SL.I'm here in Bangkok, and I have to do some more traveling this month. However, if I wasn't here, I would not come to Southeast Asia or indeed any part of Asia right now. I had a reservation out of Shanghai in March to LA and they gladly just gave me a credit on the ticket. Duke University just closed its China campus in moonshine near Shanghai.
Banana Boi
01-26-20, 19:00
For reference, the SARS outbreak lasted 6 months.
I am planning a trip to Bangkok. Is the health scare related to the Wuhan Corona virus having any consequences for mongering in Bangkok? E. g. Are some places closed or fewer girls available, or fewer mongers?
My hypothesis would be that there would be no fewer girls, but perhaps a bit fewer mongers and thus it might even be a good time to go to Bangkok. On the other hand, if it gets really bad, being stuck in Bangkok with places shutting down, controls at airports and everyone waring a face mask doesn't seem very fun. Especially for a DFK aficionado like me.I had been going to China during SARS crisis many times on business. Travelled to many places. Not everyone were wearing masks including me. Yes, they were meticulous checking body temperature at airports, train stations, border crossings. But to circumvent that people took analgesics medicine to lower their temperature in case they were suffering from a common cold for example. So there is no way to know who is safe and who is not safe.
We are the mongers and like to be with many girls. We do not know who and how many the girls have been with and what they did. There are always lots of germs floating around all over the world. Some people come down with it and many do not. We hope we are the ones who do not catch it.
Unlike SARS virus when China hid most of the data, now China has become global and cannot hide anything. Besides the effect on its economy will be devastating. They are taking serious action. They already said checking temperature is of no use. People can be infectious even in the latency stage. Latency stage is the pre symptoms stage for those medical dummies.
You should worry more about the diseases girls carry being with so many men than Wulan virus. By the way Wulan girls are very pretty. I had two long time girlfriends from there.
Most viruses kills people with compromised immune systems.
In January I came back for 2 nights, one full day in Bangkok. First night I took a FL from Beergarden, soi 7. ST 3 hour, 1.500 baht. A sweet slim MILF and very GFE.
Next day after lunch I walked past the massage shop from last time and the fat woman said Hello, to me. She could remember me and asked if a wanted a massage again. Why not. But this time I wanted to try something different, so I asked her to come to my hotel. She agreed and could come in 30 minuttes.
Normal I prefer the more slim girls, but I wanted to try something new. I already knew her skils to give BBBJ and HJ, but I wanted to fuck her. It was a very good experience. We spend 5 hour together and I made her come 3 times in big squirting orgasms. After she only wanted money for the massage, 1.200 baht. I gave her 2.000 and she was happy.
Later in the night time I took a very sweet slim FL from soi Nana, only 21 year old. Very sweet and tight pussy, so beautiful skin. You can still find diamonds on the street. Just look. 2 hour, 1.300 bath. After that sleep and to the airport early next morning.
I like variation. Thats why I love to be in Bankok. I don't understand why people complain about the "expensive" prices. If you avoid the most expensive rip-of gogo bars, Bangkok is still cheap. Go for adventure and you will find it.I liked beergarten girls. Most are not mercenary. More like simple girls trying to make extra money. Will be going there next month to see if it still has some good girls. I do not worry about the looks much but satisfaction. Only if the girl is going to stay with me then I like her to be pretty.
Me also sometimes like fat girls with big boobs. If they are young they tend to be more athletic in spite of being fat. Old fat girls fo not move much but they are good in BBBJ and they aim to please. I took a chubby girl from patong bar and she was excellent in Phuket.
Sideshow01
01-26-20, 20:47
I have bar fined two girls from Geisha. Yam - 21 and DFK, BBBJ, DATY and FS so don't regret it although I was still a little jet lagged. She is really sweet and nice body overall and no silicon though she wants a nose job. Did strike me as a party girl so not sure how long the body will last as there is a little fat on her stomach. The other girl it was my first night in town so probably should've just had a few drinks as I was severely lacking sleep and maybe give her another go when I'm not exhausted or there are always more girls.
Whilst I had fun in Cowboy 2 I don't see me ever setting foot in there again. I don't think they operate with any real intention of the girls going out and the girls don't seem too bothered. It's all about the LDs and I had one girl arguing with the waitress as she thought she had been short changed one LD token (she hadn't). If you're solo then two girls will approach you both wanting drinks. The waitress /'s wants a drink immediately and I even had the mammasan trying to get in on the action. I wasn't actually looking to bar fine that night so wasn't a big issue but not going back ever at this point.
In terms of nana bar rainbow 3 I've managed my aim of one drink in each bar except the ladyboy bars this week. Sexy night the worst by far. The mammasan did show me a price menu whilst two well past it girls were trying to persuade / assault me but given there appeared to be two or three zeros on the fine / st that was two or three zeros too many. Mandarin 2 and Erotica poor though I did have a nice chat with a girl with large natural breasts in Erotica. She was off to Osaka for 4 days the next day and I wasn't looking to bar fine right then. She had a nice face and rack but was a bit chubby (no. 8 tag. Name escapes me). The staff were throwing what I think was salt on the stage to bring luck / fortune / customers (as Erotica was deserted whilst I was there. Enter is the only bar I've seen real dancers in but none were particularly attractive. Need to compose my thoughts on the rest of the nana bars for a follow up post..
I never step food in Geisha or Cowboy 2 bar, so I am quite surprised by seeing 3 k BF in Bangkok. I have seen that in Pattaya. Now I am intrigued to see the quality of girls in these bars, is it really worth it 6 k for ST, almost 200 usd. I just came back from Germany where I was paying 50-100 euros at FKKs, so paying double of that here is quite absurd for me. But will try for sure soon.I wouldn't bother with cowboy 2 - no one there is worth the barfine IMHO. Geisha I personally really like two of the girls and they live together so hasn't been complicated to deal with but beauty in the eye of the beholder so you may not think anything of Geisha and find your gem in cowboy 2 - if prices were more realistic I likely would take a gamble on a couple of the girls.
Hey all,
I've had enough of FL and Bar Pickups now. Does anyone have Sideline Girls Contact? If yes please share, I would love to reciprocate with some Real Thai HW Contacts.
Thanks,
Rick.
ThingStick
01-28-20, 12:42
Bouncing around SEA for a bit while the Corona stuff hopefully blows over a little.
Went to 7 Heaven BJ place around 4 PM. Reminded me of Japan at 1/5th the cost. Super clean. Great line-up it seemed, depending on timing, and from the reviews I felt I could trust photos. Only had 2 girls. One seemed hot, and indeed she was. Her name was Soda. Washed me up, did the deed. Gagged a bit when I came. I tried to warn her! Ha. Her eyes were amazing. Solid skills. Overall, she was smoking hot (to me), but didn't have the greatest attitude. I guess I wouldn't either if I had to work at a place like that. However, based purely on work ethic and demeanor after being choked, I give her a 9/10.
Will definitely return to this place. Anyone to the two-fer?
Hi,
Guys,
I'm having a layover of 24 hrs.
Would appropriate leads on hotels & mongering.
All though I have visited BKK earlier, but its been a long now.
As I have limited time, I'm not planning on experimenting. Yes i do knw there are many options like escorts , bj bars , and what not but i'm looking for some to visit me in my hotel and not much of outing
Please do recommend some great options.
For the last week or so I have noticed few if any Vietnamese freelancers standing in their usual station on the sidewalk in front of Hillary 1 Bar Soi 4. I saw a few girls lingering around there a couple of nights ago but they were not the same ones that had been working that location for months and might have been Thai anyway.
Does anyone know what happened to them? Visa violation sweep? Coronavirus fright flight? Or have I just not passed by there at the right times in the evening to see them in full force as before?
For the last week or so I have noticed few if any Vietnamese freelancers standing in their usual station on the sidewalk in front of Hillary 1 Bar Soi 4. I saw a few girls lingering around there a couple of nights ago but they were not the same ones that had been working that location for months and might have been Thai anyway.
Does anyone know what happened to them? Visa violation sweep? Coronavirus fright flight? Or have I just not passed by there at the right times in the evening to see them in full force as before?The Vietnamese celebrate Chinese New Year. It's called Tet. I imagine they went home to be with their families.
The Vietnamese celebrate Chinese New Year. It's called Tet. I imagine they went home to be with their families.Ah, that would explain it. Thanks, Goatscrot.
Ah, that would explain it. Thanks, Goatscrot.Just an educated guess. If they are not back in a week or so then something else is up.
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FuckedUpSwede
01-30-20, 00:11
Ok, it is what it is.
I just like to put 6000 baht in my pocket and go wild in Bangkok and see where it takes me.
That is normally my budget and I stick to it. Even if that means I have to walk across half of Bangkok. So be it. I'm a Cheap Charlie.
Where did that take me today?
First, food at some Japanese joint close to soy cowboy, 500 baht "kaching". Then I went to crazy house, since I liked it last time, but it was packed with koreans / chinese so I moved out. Went into Jungle jims, did not like the mood, went out. Went into Baccara, emptied some Rum coke and lady drinks, 1300 baht *kaching". Not very well spent money. Then bailed out from Soi Cowboy. All ladies are old for fuck sake! I'm in my forties and they look like my mum!
Went into a cab and off to "beam" hardcore techno, as "hardcore" as Bangkok gets I suppose. 500 baht entrance *kaching" Good party, had some red bull vodka, 700 baht. Closed at 2 am, too early for me, cab to Insanity, driver asked for 200 tell him to go away but setteled on 100. Gave him 200 anyway since he was from Isaan. Some more drinks decided to not go alone, 2000 baht + taxi to my hotel, + taxi home for her = 300 *kaching* ehhh. Fuck this, time to sleep, peace!
I noticed many gogo bars are empty or have less customers.
In Patpong area, I visited some bars, full of beautiful girls but a few customers inside. I think Patpong area, if you avoid the ping pong shows scams, it's a good area, and have many beauties in the bars.
In soi cowboy, less customers too. I remember 1-2 years ago, Baccara was totally full, and now it's only half full.
I really like gogo bars and I wonder why this happen. Or maybe it's only my perception.
Thanks.
As I have limited time, I'm not planning on experimenting. Yes i do knw there are many options like escorts , bj bars , and what not but i'm looking for some to visit me in my hotel and not much of outing
Please do recommend some great options.No answers coming yet! It's all been answered before. Might help if you state more clearly what you look for. Otherwise why would someone make an effort?
You should worry more about the diseases girls carry being with so many men than Wulan virus. By the way Wulan girls are very pretty. I had two long time girlfriends from there.
Did the spelling auto corrector get you? I thought it was Wuhan (Wulan is an Indonesian girls name).
Wuhan may have some pretty girls, but they might be the exception. Average Chinese looks are not quite my thing, a lot of goofy faces in the typical crowd pic. The face type that I like is sometimes described as the inverted triangle shape and is largely missing in average Chinese girls.
Maybe the 4th girl in the group of 5 pic is right face shape for me.
I am planning a trip to Bangkok. Is the health scare related to the Wuhan Corona virus having any consequences for mongering in Bangkok? E. g. Are some places closed or fewer girls available, or fewer mongers?
My hypothesis would be that there would be no fewer girls, but perhaps a bit fewer mongers and thus it might even be a good time to go to Bangkok. On the other hand, if it gets really bad, being stuck in Bangkok with places shutting down, controls at airports and everyone waring a face mask doesn't seem very fun. Especially for a DFK aficionado like me.Same here better to control the urge for some time, than traveling with anxiety and spoiling the trip.
AshuScorpio123
01-30-20, 16:30
So this was my first trip to Thailand and I was here for 15 days. These are my observations:
1) GoGo bars: They are fun to spend time at. You may find 1 or 2 sexy ones at each gogo but cost to fuck is just too much considering bar fines and what those girls are offering. I think they are nice just to get teased and excited before going to your room to fuck a freelancer or a spa girl. Just buy a drink and a lady drink and let them get you in a mood. Barfine if you got bahts to burn. Also I find Pattaya gogo girls to be putting in more effort than Bangkok.
2) Freelancers: Great value for money. You just need to look before you find a good one.
3) Massage parlours: I found them the best option. Not expensive and you can easily spot pretty ones. They will come to your hotel room for a hundred or two hundred extra. At lesser price you get to fuck and then get a nice massage afterwards. It was not new or exciting to me since we have a few Thai massage parlours in my city as well and all the masseurs are Thai offering same services at similar prices.
4) Nuru massage: My peak experience. This was a new experience to me and the spa I went to gave me awesome choices in girls. They were thin, short like school girls with sexy no flab tummies and boobs were big. The nuru gel was awesome. And even though we fucked in the middle of session, girl gave me service till my time was over. It was heaven (spa name as well as my one hour). Cost wise it is 800-1200 baht extra than normal massage parlour fucking but totally worth it. Next time I am getting more of these.
Robert Long
01-30-20, 20:28
Did the spelling auto corrector get you? I thought it was Wuhan (Wulan is an Indonesian girls name).
Wuhan may have some pretty girls, but they might be the exception. Average Chinese looks are not quite my thing, a lot of goofy faces in the typical crowd pic. The face type that I like is sometimes described as the inverted triangle shape and is largely missing in average Chinese girls.
Maybe the 4th girl in the group of 5 pic is right face shape for me.I agree with your observation of Chinese women. The bodies are usually straight and not curvy, small thin legs and no bubble butts. There are exceptions but far and few.
IMHO, Indonesia and Thailand women have the best bodies. Indo for large breasts and Thai for overall sweetness.
RL.
Just landed in BKK, it feels like all my flights to here land at ungodly hours, just early enough into the night to think you'll have some time for fun but by the time you check in you might as well crash. Staying at Grande Centre Point T21 for a couple of nights. I've got an escort lined up tomorrow night but if any seniors have favorite spots for daytime fun (never tried Soapies) near T21 I'the be in your debt. Would be happy to trade info in the States (I know its the States but sometimes it's easier than trying to plan around 19 hour round trip flights).
Something that I noticed today at the airport, usually I will bring USD but will also pull some BHT via ATM for convenience. In every country I've been where ATMs present a local exchange rate or using the card issuer exchange rate, the card issuer exchange rate was superior. However this time around the ATM exchange rate was actually better (30.8 BHT for ATM vs. 30.6 for my bank). Pretty small difference but I've just never seen it in favor of the ATM rate before, wonder if it can get even better.
The situation in Bangkok is ok. Some people wear masks, there is probably a bit fewer tourists and mongers than there would otherwise have been, but life (including mongering) goes on as usual.
Thanks to whoever it was who recommended Kings Castle 1 in Patpong on the forum. At around 4000 Baht, it I s expensive, and but there a are e many girls and many of them a are e attractive. Pink Panther in Pat Pong used to be open later than the other bars (which close at 02:00), but not any more, or at least not always.
I find Bangkok is not a cheap mongering destination, but there are some very nice experiences to be had with slightly older or less attractive girls.
I agree with your observation of Chinese women. The bodies are usually straight and not curvy, small thin legs and no bubble butts. There are exceptions but far and few.
IMHO, Indonesia and Thailand women have the best bodies. Indo for large breasts and Thai for overall sweetness.
RL.Yes while typical Chinese round faces don't suit me, nor do the overly straight bodies with flat asses. I guess the good looking Chinese girls are less than 1%. I do find Indonesian girls to have good bodies. I used to do a 9 out of 10 Java girl in my home country. She got deported back to Indonesia when her relationship with boyfriend went bad. I was sad. She was so hot with great face and body. Unfortunately I don't even have a pic of her.
Fortunately the Chinese population is huge, so plenty of Chinese beauties do exist. I think it varies by location. A 4 day visit to a friend in Guangzhou, I hardly saw a Chinese girl that impressed me for the whole visit. Even I met "Miss China" winner of a beauty competition at the golf club, she was very tall, very straight body, looked just like a lady boy to me, face nothing special for me.
Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):
http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-hot-chinese-actresses/
Its just personal taste. Others much prefer Chinese over Thai, especially if big tits and white skin. In fact Thai men prefer Chinese girls with big tits and white skin over real Thai look girls, generally. I see how Thai men choose at Soapy MPs.
I would not consider living in Hong Kong or Guangzhou. I hated the culture and the girls did not appeal. I assume Shianghai is much better.
To be fair, out in the Issan village where my GF comes from, I find her to be the only hot adult female in town (some children are good looking and have not yet left for the big city). I know some other reasonably sexy girls from same province, but different villages. So a fairly low portion of the Issan girls are really hot for me too. Maybe its not much different to chinese proportions. I am very happy my small GF still has a great curvy body at 40 years old. Still a hot ass. However it causes me to be too fussy when mongering I think.
I noticed many gogo bars are empty or have less customers.
In Patpong area, I visited some bars, full of beautiful girls but a few customers inside. I think Patpong area, if you avoid the ping pong shows scams, it's a good area, and have many beauties in the bars.
In soi cowboy, less customers too. I remember 1-2 years ago, Baccara was totally full, and now it's only half full.
I really like gogo bars and I wonder why this happen. Or maybe it's only my perception.
Thanks.Lots of reasons, but my guess at the main one is they are ridiculously expensive. BFs keep climbing and gals want more and more. There is no value, and I think even some tourists are catching on. The coyote and then agency thing really screwed up the business model. Want customers back? Bring BFs back to 500 Baht and get ST prices back at 1500. Bars will be loaded.
Did the spelling auto corrector get you? I thought it was Wuhan (Wulan is an Indonesian girls name).
Wuhan may have some pretty girls, but they might be the exception. Average Chinese looks are not quite my thing, a lot of goofy faces in the typical crowd pic. The face type that I like is sometimes described as the inverted triangle shape and is largely missing in average Chinese girls.
Maybe the 4th girl in the group of 5 pic is right face shape for me.Interesting, The last gal in the group, left to right, is IMHO amazing. Great face, great skin color, just excellent. I'd rate most all but one and 2 above most Thai gals I see.
Yes while typical Chinese round faces don't suit me, nor do the overly straight bodies with flat asses. I guess the good looking Chinese girls are less than 1%. I do find Indonesian girls to have good bodies. I used to do a 9 out of 10 Java girl in my home country. She got deported back to Indonesia when her relationship with boyfriend went bad. I was sad. She was so hot with great face and body. Unfortunately I don't even have a pic of her.
Fortunately the Chinese population is huge, so plenty of Chinese beauties do exist. I think it varies by location. A 4 day visit to a friend in Guangzhou, I hardly saw a Chinese girl that impressed me for the whole visit. Even I met "Miss China" winner of a beauty competition at the golf club, she was very tall, very straight body, looked just like a lady boy to me, face nothing special for me.
Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):
http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-hot-chinese-actresses/
Its just personal taste. Others much prefer Chinese over Thai, especially if big tits and white skin. In fact Thai men prefer Chinese girls with big tits and white skin over real Thai look girls, generally. I see how Thai men choose at Soapy MPs.
I would not consider living in Hong Kong or Guangzhou. I hated the culture and the girls did not appeal. I assume Shianghai is much better.
To be fair, out in the Issan village where my GF comes from, I find her to be the only hot adult female in town (some children are good looking and have not yet left for the big city). I know some other reasonably sexy girls from same province, but different villages. So a fairly low portion of the Issan girls are really hot for me too. Maybe its not much different to chinese proportions. I am very happy my small GF still has a great curvy body at 40 years old. Still a hot ass. However it causes me to be too fussy when mongering I think.Yep, I prefer Chinese over Thai. Those top 20 are unreal.
If I was planning a trip to Southeast Asia from the West now, I would cancel it. I myself am leaving Bangkok for Cambodia today for a variety of reasons, this virus has just expedited it.
Quite honestly, the mongering seen in Bangkok isn't like it used to be For tourists. If you are a first-timer, you're going to pay as much as you do in the West if not more depending on where you go. If you are living here, or staying here as a snowbird like I do, then it's still decent.
On this trip I have been in Bangkok since August, and while I do go to a go-go every now and then for amusement, I have not bar fined out of a go-go in years. Basically, especially in soy cowboy, they are a little more than clip joints for Asian tourists.
Now if your goal is to eat great food, and enjoy the atmosphere and see cool stuff, with some ability to grab some hottie as a bonus, then it's worth while coming. Use the massage parlors in the prom pong area or go to thermae. Usually, when I give my let's get laid tours, my lesser heeled clients find something they like in terme, the ones who don't care about cost end up the all-nighters, including mixx.
Keep in mind that starting around Christmas time, and lasting at least till the middle of next month, the air sucks all up and down the Chao Phraya valley. Too bad that's also the coolest time of year in terms of heat.
I've been avoiding the tourist area down on lower Suk for the past the two weeks but one of my homeboys told me it's dead. I live near a very popular Thai food Street and last night it was dead there too. My biggest concern about coming to Bangkok now would be the inability to get out because already, some taxi driver has been diagnosed with the virus and you never know when they make those things down.
Lots of reasons, but my guess at the main one is they are ridiculously expensive. BFs keep climbing and gals want more and more. There is no value, and I think even some tourists are catching on. The coyote and then agency thing really screwed up the business model. Want customers back? Bring BFs back to 500 Baht and get ST prices back at 1500. Bars will be loaded.Totally agree. BF are around 1000 and st 3000, that's too expensive. In gogo bars you can find always the hottest girls and see their body and attitude very good before choosing, that's why I like gogo bars very much in comparison with massages places or other options.
Totally agree. BF are around 1000 and st 3000, that's too expensive. In gogo bars you can find always the hottest girls and see their body and attitude very good before choosing, that's why I like gogo bars very much in comparison with massages places or other options.Agreed. The current prices are way too high and they will stay that way as long as people are paying.
Had my flight changed and added 2 extra days to my trip, flew into BKK at 2 am with 5 people on the entire plane, immigration was a breeze, staying at Grande Centre Point T21. By the time I got checked in it was 4 am and didn't want to make the effort to clean up and go to Cowboy.
Day 1.
Hit up Doki Doki at 11 AM. Too early, only 3 in the line up, chose Happy for 90 m. Her face is much better than her body, which is showing it's age. The dress did an amazing job hiding that and I suspect it's the same for most of the girls. She was very enthusiastic however and performed better than I expected. The nuru slide was good for what I've experienced in Thailand. BBBJ with ball play, multiple positions, after the first pop cleaned up, went to the bed, got a weak massage, went for a second round, more BBBJ and multiple positions, cleaned up after the second pop and left. 3200 BHT, appearance 4/10 experience 7/10. I think you can probably do a lot better coming here later in the day or by making a booking.
Went back and relaxed, hit up some TF, Tinder, Wechat and old contacts to line things up for later in the trip. Had an escort lined up with TonyBKK. Had miscommunication on hotel and took almost 2 hours for her to show up (There are several Grande Centre Points in Sukhumvit and traffic is abysmal). She looked as described in the photo, spinner with bolt ONS. English skills was limited but spoke pretty good Chinese so we just communicated using that. Pretty intelligent girl and composes herself well, but a bit shy. Doesn't seem like she does this often. Grabbed some dinner at a rooftop bar and headed back to the hotel. Was shy in bed as well but very good once in the act. Not much into BBBJ but great in multiple positions and very tight. Fell asleep cuddling and went for a second round the next morning before I bid her goodbye. Appearance 8/10 experience 8/10. This was very expensive encounter, and the girl was not the highest tier in Tony's lineup, but I'm used to paying US rates.
Day 2.
Cleaned up and prepped to head to Pattaya, decided to hit up Daisy Dreams at 1 pm but there was only 2 girls in the line up and another monger in front of me. Seems like the line between too early and too late is a fine one. Was told there were a lot of customers so I left. Grabbed a taxi over to Poseidon instead, got there at around 2:30 PM, was shown the fishbowl, not a lot of options (only one floor at that time actually), nothing outstanding so I chose a smaller cute lower priced girl named Donut trying to catch my eye. Paid the fee and went up to the room, which was not great. Donut wasn't hiding anything under the dress and was pretty fit. Got a good dry massage, followed with the soapy massage in the tub, haven't gone to a soapy before but IMO not anything near as good as nuru. Cleaned up, went on the bed, got a cat bath and CBJ as she did not want to do BBBJ. Started in cowgirl, multiple positions and popped back in cowgirl. Cleaned up and got another good dry massage before I left. 2600 to the house and 300 to the girl. Appearance 6/10 experience 6/10. Not great especially the room itself after reading some rave reviews on the web. Might try a different Soapie at a later time since I was told more girls show up around 5/6 PM by the Mamasan.
Heading to Pattaya as I write this report. Overall mediocre first two days, also still very tired due to travel and the ungodly arrival time. Don't have any plans for Pattaya ATM and will probably just relax and take it slow before I head back to Bangkok for a few more days next Wednesday.
Side notes.
Grande Centre Point T21 has been better than expected. Great location, good staff, breakfast is OK but I've had better for the 400 they are currently charging. It's right next door to Cowboy but I didn't partake. Lot of girls coming in and out. Also very popular with mongers and tourists alike. Booked a premium room at last minute for about $140 a night, room is very large with separate living area and bedroom, excellent views as well. Was told some premium rooms have washer and dryers but mine did not.
Also, did Doki Doki switch location? I believe I've visited about a year and a half ago, and they had a different set up (no lineup with a selection from iPad at reception and in a building with 3/4 floors). I remember that shop was in an alley on the right side of a side street. Maybe I'm misremembering, but that previous nuru experience was excellent, just as good as my experiences in Japan.
Jackson, you called my post argumentative, when all I did was object to pictures that were obviously taken from a dating site and passed off as genuine. If you carefully monitor the New Delhi forum others were of the same opinion and I just didn't want this to be carried further in the Thailand forum. There should be some control over the use of fake pictures.
Then... Why you did not redact your report like this. You can Report the post too, without being argumentative.
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.............Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):
http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-hot-chinese-actresses/
...................Every single one of these actresses appeals to me. I especially like Zhang Yuqi. I guess I'm easy to please.
Every single one of these actresses appeals to me. I especially like Zhang Yuqi. I guess I'm easy to please.Haha almost all of them look hot me too. But remember most of these pics are photoshopped usually and taken drom good cameras and lots of lighting. Even I look 5 times better in pictures than jn real LOL.
Every single one of these actresses appeals to me. I especially like Zhang Yuqi. I guess I'm easy to please.I like Nos. 1 to 4, 10 and 19. No.6 looks fab except for bad wonky nose job (easily seen in other pics of her). No. 5 looks strange. Your No. 20 does not really do it for me. We are all different.
The good looking chinese girls for me, I suspect would be well out of my league. The odd good looking uneducated penniless Lao girls, much easier to find for me.
Haha almost all of them look hot me too. But remember most of these pics are photoshopped usually and taken drom good cameras and lots of lighting. Even I look 5 times better in pictures than jn real LOL.Photoshopped or not it is impossible that any one of those babes would be ugly enough for me not to unhesitatingly run miles in the absence of transport to take the opportunity to pay to bang them. I have paid to bang worse. Much worse. Believe me.
CoolDoode6
02-04-20, 21:39
Hey Dudes,
First of all big shout out to Natty Bumpo who helped me with a wealthy information regarding the Spas in Bangkok. This is a month old review as I could get time to post this now only.
After getting the feedback decided to try Maira Hotel & Spa. Although expensive there were a few models who were really goodlooking.
However my selection went wrong (I blame myself to select the given lady). The boobs were implants, kitty were loose and there were no proper GFE experience.
She just rushed out. The deed was fo 6 k THB for 2 hours. However the lady finished within 1 hour and came out. Overall disappointing experience. Couldnot even compare to Honey or Honey 2 in pattaya. Below are my score card.
Place: 8/10.
Girls Quality: 8/10.
Girl I chose: 6/10.
Service: 3/10.
WIR: Maybe not. As I prefer Honey of pattaya to Maria Hotel.
Regards.
Cooldoode6.
WIR: Maybe not. As I prefer Honey of pattaya to Maria Hotel.
Regards.
Cooldoode6.Its hard to rate a place based on a single girl. You can get a dud anywhere. I never found that higher priced girls were better overall, in fact very few of them were worth repeating. Some of the very good performers were cheap girls. So it seems the premium is mainly for the looks of the girl. My one try at the Lord was very ordinary girl for performance, yet expensive.
My regular girl at La Belle, went downhill in looks (from nose job) and in service, yet she moved to a higher price category. I never had any other girls worth repeating there. A lot of bad luck, suspect bodies hidden under clothes, and dick scared girls common.
I suspect there is the problem of girls arrogantly over rating themselves, and not being humble and doing their best.
Lower level girls may realise that they are very dependent on repeat customers, and therefore really try hard to please. Stunning girls can get plenty of non repeat bookings, so may not try as hard.
I have had some really good performers that were also stunning, but its not always easy to find them. In Soapies, I always like to watch girls in the fishbowl or line up for long periods, to try to see from facial expressions if they might be a really nice character or obviously too arrogant.
Quite honestly, the mongering seen in Bangkok isn't like it used to be For tourists. If you are a first-timer, you're going to pay as much as you do in the West if not more depending on where you go. If you are living here, or staying here as a snowbird like I do, then it's still decent.
You must have been out of the west for a long time, the prices for anything resembling the quality or ease of even a somewhat bad deal in BKK are a massive bargain and ease compared to most places in the west. Sure, some specific exceptions or good luck spots apply, but go to most places in the west and good fucking luck with anything like the BKK scene. Hell even stuff like partytreffs are getting priced up big for bad service with an angry romanian girl.
CoconutWater89
02-05-20, 04:51
1. Angelwitch: There were some really hot girls in there, but also a handful who need to drop this profession immediately and go do something else. Girls tend to be on the more thick side, almost none were what I'd call "skinny". The show / performance thing between the regular gogo gyration / dancing is kinda cool, but I wouldn't call it arousing or sexy. There was one sorta thick but very pretty and massive breasted girl in there who quoted a 900 barfine and 3 k short time. She said no long time which I found flabbergasting. No way I'm going to a gogo bar unless I'm going long time with a super high caliber girl.
2. Spankys: I'm a guy who likes thin or normal weight girls in thongs with big fake boobs. This place basically focuses on that. 3. 7 k short time though, kinda steep. Long time "up to the girl". Long time with one of these girls might be worth it, actually. Still, if I were looking for a drink and a warmup before I grab a freelancer outside of nana, this would be my hangout for sure.
3. Baccara: Very hot girls here, but they have petite look. High % of fake boobs on the second floor. First floor just sucks, don't bother. These girls have a unique "lolita but with breast implants" look I did not see literally anywhere else. It's sooo crowded and noisy in here though which is distracting. If you happen to like chesty girls (two groups that don't often overlap), this is the perfect spot for you. Didn't ask about prices.
4. Crazy house: Appropriately named. Complete chaos, but some absolute knockout 10/10 girls among them. I mean of course not all of them are, but if you're looking for the absolute hottest girl you can find, this is a safe bet. It's ridiculously crowded and noisy in here. A cover charge and a 1 drink minimum is stupid; just make me buy a drink at the entrance please, I don't care if the first one is 100 more so I don't have to yell for the waitress to hear me. Didn't ask prices because my boner died from all the noise and booze.
5. Bee at Cherry Massage: I saw her pictures on the website and noticed she offered A+ service. Looked like an ultra hot 9/10 in photos. The girl in person looks almost nothing like the one in the pictures; they advertise her as like 5'3 and 48 kg, but she is about 5'5 and 60 kg and very dark skinned unlike the photo. Puts on a pound of makeup as well. She does have nice fake boobs though. Mamasan said she's usually fully booked and constantly busy, so I made an appointment. Service was fairly poor right from the beginning. Completely mechanical, told me to hurry up or I wouldn't be able to do a second pop. Massage was surprisingly good, however. I made up an excuse after popping to try to leave early because I'd booked 90 minutes and she seemed palpably miserable, but she was onto me and started apologizing profusely and asking if she did anything wrong. She said she wasn't feeling great and had a headache that day. Maybe I just caught her on a bad day, but sorry hun, the attitude shift needed to come 45 minutes earlier and you get paid the same either way. With better service I probably would have repeated as she was still overall very hot and A+ service for I believe what was only 2. 3 k. I can't recommend against her, give it a try and maybe you'll have better luck.
6. ? At Angel Massage. They wear major pushup bras so what you see isn't what you get once the bras come off. One girl was looking at me like crazy and even though there were a few more attractive ones, I decided to go with her. Excellent service, really good body slide technique, great regular massage, awesome blowjob, and great sex. She says she likes bodybuilders (I am very obviously one) and then showed me a bunch of weird Thai youtube fitness videos. She demanded my line and blew up my phone the next few days asking if she could come over offering freebies / if we could go to the gym together. Unfortunately, she was just not my type physically so I ended up turning her down. Price was 2. 2 k for "60" minutes but it ended up being 90 and I was not charged more.
7. Ja at Bamboo: Excellent service / technique. She is not the prettiest girl, but still looks okay and her body is close to a 10/10 to compensate. Excellent massage / body slide, A+ service for an extra 500, some truly amazing oral technique, pretty damn good English, and overall friendly and interesting to talk to. If a fella were in Thailand the very first time, I'd send him here first. Pics aren't representative, but unlike Bee above, she really is about 5'3 and 44 kg. But it's a fairly fit 44 kg from small bone structure and with good muscle tone; not an anorexic and unhealthy looking 44 kg.
8. Freelancer "Amy" outside nana plaza area soi 4: Big eyes, big natural boobs that will look fake in her pushup bra, medium dark skin, 5'5 maybe 125 lbs, looks slightly Vietnamese but is not. She wears short jean shorts, heels, and a sleeveless shirt. I visited her twice. Only 1 k for short time, 2 k long time. There's a motel nearby she likes to use that costs 300. First visit with her went great, she likes to talk dirty. She won't do BBBJ though. Second time went poorly, but it was my issue. I hurt my ankle the day before and when I started banging her in doggy, my ankle randomly flared up and felt so painful I couldn't finish. It was visibly swollen and I had already been liming around so I don't think she was too offended, yet I could tell she took it personally.
9. ? At Angelina Massage, Line name is "meentra" but I honestly can't recall what she told me to call her: Very thin and long legged girl with enormous DD fake tits and big aerolas. Face is not remotely pretty, but body looks a bit like a medium dark skinned Thai version of porn star Danielle Derek. Long skinny legs, petite and somewhat flat butt. She's a party girl and I'm surprised she doesn't choose to work at a gogo as she's full of energy and will literally sing to herself and dance. 0 massage. I visited her three times, and one of those she chugged a huge pitcher of beer in a 90 minute span. You're in the wrong profession, honey, and hotter than like 80% of the gogo girls in Nana. English is okay and she let me do spontaneous A+ for a bit, but will charge an extra 1 k if you want her to actually prep for it and do it "fully". She's 35 and looks about a decade younger except in the face. She will get mad if you pop more than once but don't tip. More than once and she wants a 200 baht tip, which I think is reasonable considering the base price of only 1. 7 k.
10. ? Vietnamese freelancer with watermelon tits outside nana. Wechat name "Paradise Life" She is very pale skinned, T+A for days, kinda thick but still has a comparatively small waist / stomach and visibly looks very different from the Thai freelancers. Silicon and beyond double deez. If you read this post and see her, you'll know immediately. English is okay but not great. Went to her room which was a bad choice as AC worked poorly so I was sweating like crazy. She is easily the most visually pleasing woman I was with during my Thai adventures, but her vagina is incredibly loose. No BBBJ. Has not done A+ before but seemed open to trying with some prep. I ran into her on her last night in Thailand before she went home to Vietnam. She was just so hot that I even made plans to come back in the morning and see her once more as she had time before she needed to go to the airport. She was pleasantly surprised when I followed up and came for the second visit. Afterword, she asked if I would fly to Vietnam to meet her, as I'd be gone from Thailand by the time she came back. I may have accepted if not for the looseness, glad I didn't though as this was early in my trip and I met so many other really nice babes after her.
11. Vicky at Boss Massage (can't remember the name and her line name is in Thai): This place mostly gets Asian customers. The girl is long limbed with small-to-medium sized fake boobs that you probably can't tell are fake when she's clothed. First visit was normal and she kept exclaiming "OMG! You sexy! You body so good", which of course I interpret as "come back and help me make more money! Her pussy is literally painfully tight. Popped twice. BJ technique above average. Well, I had a good time so I went for a second visit, and that's where things took an interesting turn. My unit was tired and sore; like I said she's tight and I popped twice the day before. After the first pop with her on day two I just wanted to rest and enjoy the massage. She wasn't having it though. Kept reaching for my unit and I was literally batting her away the first few times. But alas, it stood tall. Then, without putting on a rubber, she got on top and put in just the tip. I pulled away. Process repeated again. Finally on the third time it just felt so good I gave in. Got to be the first time a girl pressures a customer into sticking it in for one more pop. And this time raw. I'm 31 and this was the very first time I've had sex without a condom. Popped, immediately freaked out, then remembered I've been on steroids for 4 years straight and almost certainly infertile. Third day, I'll spare you the mushy details, but a romance begins. She comes over on her day off, we do the deed a bunch (I got her a morning after pill just to be safe), she doesn't ask for money, insists on paying when we go out to meals, we do all the sharing of life stories and all that. You guys don't want to read that shit, I'll spare you. She clearly wants a relationship and to move to the country where I live, which she has been to before on a visit. If her English level were better or she could speak some Chinese, I'd probably take her up on it as this is the best sex I've had in my life and my count is probably around 80 (meager I'm sure, for you Thailand vets). She has a unique and unfortunate situation where she no family that needs supporting and is actually being supported somewhat by an older sibling, otherwise I'd never consider it. I can come to Thailand 2-3 x / year, I'll definitely see her again.
12. Hana at Hera's massage. She is VERY pretty, petite, nice enhanced big see small dee, thin, maybe 5'1. 5. She's quite the hustler; she actually only comes here twice a week and has a sales job at a cosmetic surgery hospital. Most what she does is go to various massage shops to work part time and recruit the girls who work there to get cosmetic surgery at her hospital. Her income from referrals apparently well exceeds her earnings from massage place customers. She gives very good service overall and dresses really well. She's had quite a bit of work done and is veering on too much; some guys might be off put by the artificial looking face. She has mostly Asian customers, speaks a bit of Chinese / Japanese and has near fluent English. She intentionally adopts a very cute and "kawaii" personality which was perhaps a bit over the top. Clearly a very high IQ girl, which is understandably rare in this profession. But alas, although my two meetings with her in Hera's massage went well, she flaked when I set up a hotel meeting. She was the one who suggested we meet at my hotel instead of the massage place so I could pay less and she could earn more with no house fee. Set an appointment for 8, sent a message at 745 asking if she was on the way, no response until 8:45 saying "sorry I was asleep, I'll come now". Then no response until the next morning "fell asleep again". I'll still honestly probably repeat at least once. 2 k or 2.2 k at hera's forgot.
CoconutWater89
02-05-20, 04:57
Thailand impressions from a younger guy:
It seems like all the youtube videos on do's and don'ts advice on Thailand girls are directed at the physically unattractive middle aged portly English gentleman or his Desi equivalent. I saw the bar girl ten commandments and a bunch of other youtube videos from a guy called Simon on the land of smiles youtube channel and got the impression that these ladies should detest a young visibly strong strong well endowed fella on a western middle class income and lives in a different third world Asian country; they go too hard on that p making it more difficult to work, they don't buy gifts, they generally take more effort and work, they take longer to pop, they want more pops. All these videos seem to paint a picture that the 45+ year old fat "gentle hearted" wealthy guy they can beguile into bringing them to the UK was the Thai girl's favorite customer. Maybe this is true; one can't ask and expect a truthful answer. Furthermore, these videos are talking about BAR girls; the type of girl who goes to work in a soapy / oily is going to be quite different from the type who works at a gogo bar / beer bar and it's not unreasonable to assume they have different preferences. But the fact is, they are still women with needs and their clientele are fairly unattractive overall, particularly at the more western catering massage places. And I should emphasize I say that in reference to massage places; I did notice quite a lot of handsome younger guys in the gogo bars but not in the beer bars. There's a lot of good looking and younger men at the Asian catering places, though. When a handsome younger guy walks in, a non-trivial portion of these girls are actually pretty excited about it to the extent they want to meet you outside of work just for recreation and not for work without a house fee. Two, in my case, with others offering to meet at the hotel for a discounted rate. Another was somewhat mercenary and suggested that if I pay for hotel+food and take her to hua hin on a holiday, her services would be free.
I'm a guy who can't avoid thinking about maximizing value. In my perspective, strictly in terms of a "per baht" efficiency, it goes like this: 1. Freelancer 2. Oily Massage, 3. Soapy Massage (quite variable, some are even cheaper than Oily massage), 4. Gogo. I don't have enough experience with beer bars to place them, but I'm guessing it's maybe just slightly less cost efficient than freelancers. The prices at these gogos when you consider drink minimums is crazy. I can see it being very worthwhile, however, if you've got a really nice hotel and are going for long time. You could have a lot of awesome experiences for a relatively low price per pop going this way. Problem to me is, in a gogo environment it's going to be so hard to figure out which girls you have the right chemistry for that to happen with. I can "feel out" a massage girl in that 1-on-1 private environment, "test drive", and figure out if that chemistry is there that would justify dropping barfine+longtime, but with a gogo bar this kind of screening is impossible. What if you get longtime with a girl who just isn't that into it? Maybe the Thailand vets have a system down for this. Maybe if you say you want long time they sort of automatically provide good service because they're relieved to be excused from the gogo for many hours. The girls in there honestly seem soulless, bored, impatient, and restless. It was an understandable contrast from the soapy and oily girls; the gogo ones have to move around, have a hard time chatting with friends / coworkers, can't use phones, got to be in a noisy and boozey crowded environment. The massage girls have a nice quiet relaxing environment, can sit outside if it's an oily, seem to have a lot of camaraderie with their coworkers, and generally gave off the impression that they were not at all unhappy with the job, whereas I got that vibe from gogo girls. The only ones that seemed not miserable were at Baccarra.
Beer bars seem promising; there's something nice about seeing girls in more "normal" but still sexy clothes rather than gogo uniforms which can range from awesome to atrocious. A lot of the beer bars were more relaxed and not too noisy like gogos and generally felt more pleasant to be in. It felt like every time I went, there were 0-2 women who were my type, 5 who were okay, and 20 who should be paying me not the other way around. I'd walk in and immediately be swarmed by these 20 ladies aged 35+ while the ones I was interested in were busy with other customers. IDK, maybe my standards have just been set too high by living in China so long. I don't know much about beer bars and only visited the handful outside Nana; I will investigate this further on my next visit if I can avoid spending all of my time with the one from Boss Massage. Although I'm sure ISG readers are well aware, it seems a lot of western tourists are totally unaware that the massage scene exists and is so robust. I saw very few in these massage shops. The vast majority in Nancy and Angelina were Thai local men; most of the time I was the only foreigner all day in those places!
I don't get the Tulip hype. I went in 3 times asking for Golf and she was never present. Most of the women were very ugly and into their 40's, although some had some nice fake boobs and dammit a man loves A+ with a small waist fake boobed Asian woman. Some of the women were literally obese! Is golf really much more attractive than most of the ladies in here?
Overall Thailand is a god damn paradise. I could never live here or I would get even less done with my life in terms of advancing career, making money, savings etc and would just spend all time / money on mongering. My next trip will be in June or August, I've yet to choose. I could choose not to work over the summer and spend a full 7 weeks there, but I don't think I could handle the temptation.
CoconutWater89
02-05-20, 05:34
Yes while typical Chinese round faces don't suit me, nor do the overly straight bodies with flat asses. I guess the good looking Chinese girls are less than 1%. I do find Indonesian girls to have good bodies. I used to do a 9 out of 10 Java girl in my home country. She got deported back to Indonesia when her relationship with boyfriend went bad. I was sad. She was so hot with great face and body. Unfortunately I don't even have a pic of her.
Fortunately the Chinese population is huge, so plenty of Chinese beauties do exist. I think it varies by location. A 4 day visit to a friend in Guangzhou, I hardly saw a Chinese girl that impressed me for the whole visit. Even I met "Miss China" winner of a beauty competition at the golf club, she was very tall, very straight body, looked just like a lady boy to me, face nothing special for me.
Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):
http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-hot-chinese-actresses/
Its just personal taste. Others much prefer Chinese over Thai, especially if big tits and white skin. In fact Thai men prefer Chinese girls with big tits and white skin over real Thai look girls, generally. I see how Thai men choose at Soapy MPs.
I would not consider living in Hong Kong or Guangzhou. I hated the culture and the girls did not appeal. I assume Shianghai is much better.
To be fair, out in the Issan village where my GF comes from, I find her to be the only hot adult female in town (some children are good looking and have not yet left for the big city). I know some other reasonably sexy girls from same province, but different villages. So a fairly low portion of the Issan girls are really hot for me too. Maybe its not much different to chinese proportions. I am very happy my small GF still has a great curvy body at 40 years old. Still a hot ass. However it causes me to be too fussy when mongering I think.Interesting perspective, thank you for sharing this. I have lived in China 4. 5 years and after a cumulative 25 days in Thailand across two visits; I think my preferences are shifting. I'd say I still prefer the far right tail of the Chinese girl distribution, but in terms of the more average girls, Thai girls kick their asses for several reasons. They are actually not that much whiter than Thais, on average, ime. You might get that impression from pictures because they are notorious for filtering / photoshopping their pictures until they barely resemble their real life images. There's a lot more national / ethnic pride, and whether its WGs or civilians, that right tail is largely inaccessible for non Chinese in China, whereas the right tail seems very accessible for foreigners with Thai women. I've been flatly refused service countless times from girls who make less than 1 k usd / month in China; I can't imagine this ever happening in Thailand.
I'd put it this way with regard to average girls: Chinese girls are very beautiful but not very sexy. Thai girls are extremely sexy, but not very beautiful. I'm talking about averages, not the exceptions. I feel like even among civilians and not WGs, I can find tons of Thai girls I'd love to just bang the bejesus out of, but they wouldn't exactly look great in a photograph. I can find tons of Chinese girls who look gorgeous and like they should be painted or in a photoshoot for a magazine, but weirdly are only slightly boner inducing. Chinese girls also dress abysmally; they have some of the worst fashion ever and seem to be in collective denial about what men find attractive, causing them to often conceal their more salacious and stimulating features. All the Chinese women I work with look far better in their formal work uniforms (medium length skirt+women's dress blouse+medium heels) than when they are allowed to dress themselves; I feel like this would never happen in any other country. I got to give credit to American women; they may be super fat and unattractive on average, but at least the attractive minority know how to dress and present themselves probably better than anyone else in the world. Thais do well on this as well, however.
Chinese WGs generally have awful attitudes and you'd be shocked at how poorly they treat customers; plenty of shit they do and say to customers on a routine basis would be grounds for being fired instantly if they worked in Thailand. There's been a huge crackdown since 2017 so finding full services as a foreigner requires pre-existing connections from before the crackdown unless you can read fluently.
I found large breasted Thais easier to find than large boobed Chinese. Again it's partly the collective delusion Chinese women have about what men find attractive and a desire not to look "trashy" for facing scorn from female friends / colleagues, breast surgery is extremely rare even among financially successful WGs (I've met 4 out of maybe 60 ish) and the ones with big naturals seem to go out of their way to hide them to avoid the judgement of women or to attract "the wrong kind of man".
Never had a proper Thai GF, but Chinese GF as a foreigner (or even as a Chinese) can be absolutely nightmarish. They become incredibly demanding after you're about 9 months in, but alas this is the Bangkok thread so I won't write out another novel about that.
Lastly, as you say, it's a huge country so there's a big amount of regional variation. Locals seem to exalt the Sichuan women; but I've found northern Chinese women the most attractive, despite their more masculine behaviour.
Thailand impressions from a younger guy:
It seems like all the youtube videos on do's and don'ts advice on Thailand girls are directed at the physically unattractive middle aged portly English gentleman or his Desi equivalent. I saw the bar girl ten commandments and a bunch of other youtube videos from a guy called Simon on the land of smiles youtube channel and got the impression that these ladies should detest a young visibly strong strong well endowed fella on a western middle class income and lives in a different third world Asian country; they go too hard on that p making it more difficult to work, they don't buy gifts, they generally take more effort and work, they take longer to pop, they want more pops. All these videos seem to paint a picture that the 45+ year old fat "gentle hearted" wealthy guy they can beguile into bringing them to the UK was the Thai girl's favorite customer. Maybe this is true; one can't ask and expect a truthful answer. Furthermore, these videos are talking about BAR girls; the type of girl who goes to work in a soapy / oily is going to be quite different from the type who works at a gogo bar / beer bar and it's not unreasonable to assume they have different preferences..I'm just going to say that your point about gogo girls being happy to getting taken out for LT is probably not true most of the time.
These gogo girls (even the freelancers / Thermae bar girls) are actually looking for ST especially early in the night. They want to go as many rounds of ST as possible and hence would quote you a much higher price for LT these days.
You might have more luck if its later in the night or if you are a "handsome young man".
I'm just going to say that your point about gogo girls being happy to getting taken out for LT is probably not true most of the time.
These gogo girls (even the freelancers / Thermae bar girls) are actually looking for ST especially early in the night. They want to go as many rounds of ST as possible and hence would quote you a much higher price for LT these days.
You might have more luck if its later in the night or if you are a "handsome young man".I am going to agree. Most of the go go bar girls I have liked have a preference for ST, and many are extremely reluctant to do LT, some saying they don't do LT at all (which may not be totally true). Money can buy anything but a very expensive LT is not going to be worthwhile.
One girl knocked me back late at night even for ST, saying why didn't I take her earlier while she still had the energy to a longer ST.
Some girls need their sleep, at least from 4 am onwards, and know they won't get a good night's sleep doing a LT. Others have to get home to the parents, the BF, the child or the baby.
Some bargirls will refuse LT but agree to return to your room in the morning for another ST round. The problem is not a very good percentage will actually show up. Depends how much they need the money.
I have done rather few LTs in the last few years, yet way back when I was 35 YO, it was all long time bookings with bargirls or Thermae girls, and was ridiculously cheap for all night. So you could really get your monies worth with multiple fucks. Girls were so cheap that one would be stupid to sleep alone. I did not do many massage girls in those days as they were more expensive. Ha ha. However used to take a Thermae Soapy MP girl all night, and even for multiple day holidays, separate from her employ. Some tit jobs in those days but not many nose jobs, and all my girls were all natural. 20 years later, I think she would have been happy to marry me, but she had gone downhill too much. Not slim enough any more and a little crazy.
I'd say I still prefer the far right tail of the Chinese girl distribution, but in terms of the more average girls, Thai girls kick their asses for several reasons. They are actually not that much whiter than Thais, on average, imo.
I'd put it this way with regard to average girls: Chinese girls are very beautiful but not very sexy. Thai girls are extremely sexy, but not very beautiful. I'm talking about averages, not the exceptions.
I found large breasted Thais easier to find than large boobed Chinese.
Never had a proper Thai GF, but Chinese GF as a foreigner (or even as a Chinese) can be absolutely nightmarish. They become incredibly demanding after you're about 9 months in, but alas this is the Bangkok thread so I won't write out another novel about that.
Lastly, as you say, it's a huge country so there's a big amount of regional variation. Locals seem to exalt the Sichuan women; but I've found northern Chinese women the most attractive, despite their more masculine behaviour.I agree that the Chinese beauties are on the far end of the bell curve distribution. I am surprised that you find average Chines girls to be beautiful.
There are plenty of Thai girls that are of Chinese ancestry in Bangkok. I have rarely picked them in Soapies (if obviously Chinese), because they tend to be more voluptuous (overweight), or if skinny, very straight bodied non curvy, and not many of the obvious Chinese faces are pretty to me. Yet Thai men seem to go for them more than the normal Thai looks. I never could tell if Chinese girls had bigger tits really or just stuffed / padded bras.
Thailand may have less regional variation in looks than China, but not sure. Some southern Thais don't look Thai at all. I hardly count them all as Thais. Other Southern Thailand girls can look quite similar to Issan girls. Just depends if they have any Malay ancestry or not. Northern Thai beauties is a bit of a myth to me. Some nice ones. Many can have broad faces.
Since I like slim girls, I don't find that many have big tits, but manage a natural Cee-Cup sometimes without going to fat girls. I like exotic girls and black girls too (although too few black girls are very pretty especially in Bangkok). Miss Chile and Miss S Africa attached, and a pic of 3 pretty Japanese girls (I like them all), Indonesian and a Kenyan (quite similar look to my favourite Lao girl but darker). So I can do a wide variety of nationalities but just the average China girl standard is a bit low. I suppose we could say the same for Viets, Thai, Philipinas, Indonesian, Indian, etc. I suppose one can see from the attached pics that my style tends to be far from a typical Chinese look, liking the more exotic and don't need white skin.
Are Japanese girls better than Chinese on average? Which country in Asia has the best looking girls on average? Hard to say, and very dependent on personal taste, especially as I like slim faces. Java, Thai, and Philipina might be my preference based on past experiences with Indian girls last.
Strangely Thailand wins all the beauty competitions for Ladyboys, but not so much for the real girls. Meanwhile the girls like to have surgeries to try to look like LBs, ha ha.
You must have been out of the west for a long time, the prices for anything resembling the quality or ease of even a somewhat bad deal in BKK are a massive bargain and ease compared to most places in the west. Sure, some specific exceptions or good luck spots apply, but go to most places in the west and good fucking luck with anything like the BKK scene. Hell even stuff like partytreffs are getting priced up big for bad service with an angry romanian girl.No dude I travel a lot. The Poor schnooks that go to Go-Go bars and drop $300 would be better off in an FKK. Just remember that if they say they're Italian, they're really Romanian.
But hey, even though I'm relaxing here in Cambodia, I'll help you guys out when you're done with all the philosophy. There's a new BJ bar I am told on soy 33 named Tokyo. Somebody needs to go take one for the team so I know if it's worth while for me to stop in when I roll into Bangkok next.
I am going to agree. Most of the go go bar girls I have liked have a preference for ST, and many are extremely reluctant to do LT, some saying they don't do LT at all (which may not be totally true). Money can buy anything but a very expensive LT is not going to be worthwhile.
One girl knocked me back late at night even for ST, saying why didn't I take her earlier while she still had the energy to a longer ST.
Some girls need their sleep, at least from 4 am onwards, and know they won't get a good night's sleep doing a LT. Others have to get home to the parents, the BF, the child or the baby.
Some bargirls will refuse LT but agree to return to your room in the morning for another ST round. The problem is not a very good percentage will actually show up. Depends how much they need the money..You seem very experienced sir!
Seems many of the "old timers" always mention how much more value there was in Bangkok back in the day. Nowadays I suppose the rise of the Asian middle class has pushed prices much higher and lets not forget that Thailand is rapidly becoming a wealthier nation with more opportunities for Women.
Nowadays a LT will set you back at least 5 k at the minimum if not more for a stunner from a soapie or gogobar.
I guess your best shot at LT is to negotiate with the street FLs but that is always hit and miss in my opinion. You don't really have a chance to get to know them and of course safety is an issue sometimes.
Even Thermae girls are starting to turn down LT unless you offer a ridiculous price or wait till late in the night.
CoconutWater89
02-06-20, 16:13
I agree that the Chinese beauties are on the far end of the bell curve distribution. I am surprised that you find average Chines girls to be beautiful.
There are plenty of Thai girls that are of Chinese ancestry in Bangkok. I have rarely picked them in Soapies (if obviously Chinese), because they tend to be more voluptuous (overweight), or if skinny, very straight bodied non curvy, and not many of the obvious Chinese faces are pretty to me. Yet Thai men seem to go for them more than the normal Thai looks. I never could tell if Chinese girls had bigger tits really or just stuffed / padded bras..No, quite the opposite. I mean more like the top 20% of Chinese girls are hotter than the top 20% of Thai girls, but the Thai girls who are around average are waayyyyy better than Chinese girls around average. Yeah I've also noticed that Thai bros in the soapies seem to love a more Chinese and East Asian ethnic look and dislike more SEA features. They also don't seem to care about curves as much.
Chinese girls, even seasoned WGs, are also complete starfish. I've had maybe 3 Chinese WGs and 1 civilian who had what I'd describe as good oral skills, with a lot flatly refusing to do it at all. A+? LOL, out of the question. Thais are amazing in bed, and I think many a man would prefer a 6/10 who knows how to please over an 8/10 who just lays there passively.
I don't have much experience with Vietnamese, but first impressions were very favorable. I got to get more time with them; there's a couple special bars they go to in Shanghai and of course they congregate at Soi 4 opposite the Hillary Bars near Nana.
BlueBudgie
02-06-20, 22:23
We need a BJ bar directory.
Thanks for all the replies. I wasn't expecting much.
Here's my takeaway.
Quiet place to drink and talk: Billboard.
Gogo bar: baccara.
Avoid arab gogo bards: Rio etc.
BJ bar: star of light, duagporn's haven.
Most important, read the forum.
On my previous 2 visits, I had a good run. wechat worked. I was able to hook up within an hour. Climax club worked out too. Not to mention I got bbbj at snow white and angel without asking.
I also visited another one, where I got 2 shots with cim. stupid me can't remember the name.
Franciscass
02-07-20, 05:32
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HorseTrader
02-07-20, 07:36
I'm sure others have seen this and I've probably read reports on this subject. Last night I bar fined a Nana Plaza girl. Just before we walked out of the bar, she went through a pile of Thai IDs and chose the one she wanted to use at my hotel. She showed me the ID and laughed about it. It was not her.
Otherwise, the session was pretty standard stuff. Bar fine was 1200 at about 2:00 AM. She wanted 3000, but mamasan was interpreter to get price to 2500 short time.
Has anyone fucked this girl? Her name is Mea (pronounced May). Works at Hillary 4 on Soi 4. I only had a drink with her. She seemed to get a lot of drinks. Probably gets barfined every day.
Asian Travels
02-08-20, 18:24
I have 5-6 hrs at DMK and would like to squeeze in some action. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Has anyone been to Thermae or soi cowboy recently? Are numbers way down with most of the Chinese tourists locked down?
Crocodilexp
02-08-20, 21:03
I have 5-6 hrs at DMK and would like to squeeze in some action. Any suggestions would be appreciated.That's barely enough time. With limited time, I'd go for one of the the PSE massage places (Tulip, Snow White, Cherry) between Phrom Phong and Thong Lor BTS stations. They tend to be open from about 10 am-midnight. The BTS Sukhumvit line now goes all the way up to Kasetsart University, and a taxi from there to the airport should only take 10-20 min, plus about 40 min on the BTS.
There are probably places in Don Mueang or Rangsit (like a small full-serice massage shop or two), but it's bound to be limited, and I don't know the specifics.
So what is the best place to find freelancers online ATM? Going to BKK in a week and want to try to find a few beforehand. Got 20 matches on Tinder pretty fast, but none of them were freelancers. They want to be friends or marry me:/ Anywhere else I can try?
Asian Travels
02-09-20, 01:06
Has anyone been to Thermae or soi cowboy recently? Are numbers way down with most of the Chinese tourists locked down?Numbers of Chinese are down, numbers of Thai girls the same.
Asian Travels
02-09-20, 01:27
That's barely enough time. With limited time, I'd go for one of the the PSE massage places (Tulip, Snow White, Cherry) between Phrom Phong and Thong Lor BTS stations. They tend to be open from about 10 am-midnight. The BTS Sukhumvit line now goes all the way up to Kasetsart University, and a taxi from there to the airport should only take 10-20 min, plus about 40 min on the BTS.
There are probably places in Don Mueang or Rangsit (like a small full-serice massage shop or two), but it's bound to be limited, and I don't know the specifics.I figure the PSE places might be the safest bet. I was hoping someone would know a place closer to DMK though. Poseiden looks closest, but pricey.
Thanks for the tip on bts plus taxi.
Numbers of Chinese are down, numbers of Thai girls the same.Real shit show Saturday night outside on the side walk. Since no alcohol allowed for 24 hours there was no one inside and the whole circus was out front. Walked by (tried to walk by) around 7 pm and with all the Hookers, punters, and families it was almost impossible to get by. Saw many Chinese.
Has anyone been to Thermae or soi cowboy recently? Are numbers way down with most of the Chinese tourists locked down?Two or three days ago was the first time I noticed a meangful decline in foot traffic on the skywalks around the malls and in the malls. My last cruise through Thermae was around the same time and I did note there was no longer a wide river of customers circling clockwise past the lineup. So, customers are definitely down. I should also say I did not detect any more smiles or responses to "Sawadee khrup" for this 60-ish farang from the best looking young girls in the place than before. Same with the better looking Freelancers on Soi 4 or anywhere else.
However, I have definitely been getting more "Hi. How are you?" Line messages out of the blue from recent past hot gogo dancer and FL contacts missing me so much and wanting to see me again today or tonight if possible. LOL. Always a sign of harder times out there.
Has anyone fucked this girl? Her name is Mea (pronounced May). Works at Hillary 4 on Soi 4. I only had a drink with her. She seemed to get a lot of drinks. Probably gets barfined every day.She may not be bar fineable at all. If she is getting a lot of drinks off customers and works behind the bar then the bar may not allow her to go as she is bringing in a lot of paying customers. Getting good bar staff isn't always easy either. If she has a sponsor, or three, then she probably wouldn't be interested in going with anyone. I knew a girl who worked behind a bar in Soi 7/1 a few years ago who was in this situation. She was getting around THB 60 k a month from three guys who were overseas, she had no reason to go with anyone.
Robert Long
02-09-20, 06:39
I have 5-6 hrs at DMK and would like to squeeze in some action. Any suggestions would be appreciated.From DM walk out the front door and get on the #1 or #2 bus. I will take you direct to Mochit / Chatuchat 30 baht, with no stops and they use the Toll highway, where you can catch the MRT 35 baht direct to Sukumvit terminal. Or you can take from the same Mochit / Chatuchat stop, the BTS, 45 baht direct to Nana terminal at Soi 7/1. Get things done and reverse the travel back to DM.
Depends on the time of day for any travel in Bkk. If rush hour, forget it. Jerk off in the toilet. You do not have enough time during rush hours.
RL.
She may not be bar fineable at all. If she is getting a lot of drinks off customers and works behind the bar then the bar may not allow her to go as she is bringing in a lot of paying customers. Getting good bar staff isn't always easy either. If she has a sponsor, or three, then she probably wouldn't be interested in going with anyone. I knew a girl who worked behind a bar in Soi 7/1 a few years ago who was in this situation. She was getting around THB 60 k a month from three guys who were overseas, she had no reason to go with anyone.That wasn't my question. I know what I am asking. I don't know why you even bothered to reply when you know nothing about the girl. When people have preconceived notions about someone, they come up with all sorts of unsubstantiated assumptions to validate their preconceived notions.
The girl is a prostitute. She told me so. Of course, she did not use that exact term. And why are you assuming she works behind the bar? She doesn't. She was jumping from table to table in her very short mini-skirt for more and more lady's drinks telling the whole world that she was available for "takeaway". Is it because of the picture? I did not take the picture. If you look carefully, she is standing in front of what looks like a round table. I don't think the picture was taken at Hillary 4. But I'm not going to assume either way. Where the picture was taken is not even important.
So what is the best place to find freelancers online ATM? Going to BKK in a week and want to try to find a few beforehand. Got 20 matches on Tinder pretty fast, but none of them were freelancers. They want to be friends or marry me:/ Anywhere else I can try?Smoochi is quite good, though most pics are heavily photoshopped. However, you can always send girl back if difference exceeds your acceptance threshold.
No, quite the opposite. I mean more like the top 20% of Chinese girls are hotter than the top 20% of Thai girls, but the Thai girls who are around average are waayyyyy better than Chinese girls around average. Yeah I've also noticed that Thai bros in the soapies seem to love a more Chinese and East Asian ethnic look and dislike more SEA features. They also don't seem to care about curves as much.
Chinese girls, even seasoned WGs, are also complete starfish. I've had maybe 3 Chinese WGs and 1 civilian who had what I'd describe as good oral skills, with a lot flatly refusing to do it at all. A+? LOL, out of the question. Thais are amazing in bed, and I think many a man would prefer a 6/10 who knows how to please over an 8/10 who just lays there passively.
I don't have much experience with Vietnamese, but first impressions were very favorable. I got to get more time with them; there's a couple special bars they go to in Shanghai and of course they congregate at Soi 4 opposite the Hillary Bars near Nana.My best mongering encounter ever was with a Chinese Girl in Guangzhou. She used to be my regular until she raised her prices wayy too high for me. This girl always asked me to take pics on her phone with my cum in her mouth, if we did CIM it was already there, if not she'd take it out of the condom in her mouth for photo purpose!!
If you ever meet a Chinese Nympho, you can thank your stars.
Franciscass
02-09-20, 07:46
She may not be bar fineable at all. If she is getting a lot of drinks off customers and works behind the bar then the bar may not allow her to go as she is bringing in a lot of paying customers. Getting good bar staff isn't always easy either. If she has a sponsor, or three, then she probably wouldn't be interested in going with anyone. I knew a girl who worked behind a bar in Soi 7/1 a few years ago who was in this situation. She was getting around THB 60 k a month from three guys who were overseas, she had no reason to go with anyone.Ummm. Why stop at 3, why not another 20 k a month.
I agree that the Chinese beauties are on the far end of the bell curve distribution. I am surprised that you find average Chines girls to be beautiful.
There are plenty of Thai girls that are of Chinese ancestry in Bangkok. I have rarely picked them in Soapies (if obviously Chinese), because they tend to be more voluptuous (overweight), or if skinny, very straight bodied non curvy, and not many of the obvious Chinese faces are pretty to me. Yet Thai men seem to go for them more than the normal Thai looks. I never could tell if Chinese girls had bigger tits really or just stuffed / padded bras.
Thailand may have less regional variation in looks than China, but not sure. Some southern Thais don't look Thai at all. I hardly count them all as Thais. Other Southern Thailand girls can look quite similar to Issan girls. Just depends if they have any Malay ancestry or not. Northern Thai beauties is a bit of a myth to me. Some nice ones. Many can have broad faces.
Since I like slim girls, I don't find that many have big tits, but manage a natural Cee-Cup sometimes without going to fat girls. I like exotic girls and black girls too (although too few black girls are very pretty especially in Bangkok). Miss Chile and Miss S Africa attached, and a pic of 3 pretty Japanese girls (I like them all), Indonesian and a Kenyan (quite similar look to my favourite Lao girl but darker). So I can do a wide variety of nationalities but just the average China girl standard is a bit low. I suppose we could say the same for Viets, Thai, Philipinas, Indonesian, Indian, etc. I suppose one can see from the attached pics that my style tends to be far from a typical Chinese look, liking the more exotic and don't need white skin.
Are Japanese girls better than Chinese on average? Which country in Asia has the best looking girls on average? Hard to say, and very dependent on personal taste, especially as I like slim faces. Java, Thai, and Philipina might be my preference based on past experiences with Indian girls last.
Strangely Thailand wins all the beauty competitions for Ladyboys, but not so much for the real girls. Meanwhile the girls like to have surgeries to try to look like LBs, ha ha.The three nude gals in the photo are just about perfect. I'd take any one of them over a Thai gal any day. Now that folks is what I would pay good money for. Not a run of the mill Isaan gal.
The three nude gals in the photo are just about perfect. I'd take any one of them over a Thai gal any day. Now that folks is what I would pay good money for. Not a run of the mill Isaan gal.We are agreed for a change. Those 3 Japanese are well above average even for Japanese girls, and I agree that "run of mill" Isaan girls aren't great. My GF has no competition at all for adult girls in the country village, and I rarely see pretty ones on flights from Bangkok to Isaan destinations. The gogo bars actually have some well above average Issan girls in amongst all the average ones.
Banana Boi
02-10-20, 04:55
Those 3 Japanese are well above average even for Japanese girls, I wouldn't say they are well above average. Lived in the Dotonbori area in Osaka and Seoul for 3 months this year and the Dotonbori girls are better than Thai girls and the girls in that photo. I never say this about Asians but there were some solid 9's there for sure. I suspect you haven't been to Japan for a while.
Bam Boom Bam
02-10-20, 10:17
Has anyone fucked this girl? Her name is Mea (pronounced May). Works at Hillary 4 on Soi 4. I only had a drink with her. She seemed to get a lot of drinks. Probably gets barfined every day.I didn't fuck her. But I met her in Hillary 4 last year. She said barfine was 800 Baht. She wanted 5000 baht for longtime. So I left.
Bam Boom Bam
02-10-20, 12:09
Late report. My first time in Thermae Cafe. Time stamp is October 2019. It's raining outside. First day in Bangkok. Went to Thermae Cafe at 9 pm. It's almost empty maybe because of the rain outside.
Girl 1. Anyway, I approach the first girl and say Hi to her. She must only like Asians because she says nothing and gives me a dirty look that says "Who the hell are you to approach me?" I ask her how much short time. She answers reluctantly 3000 baht. I ask her how much longtime. I'm expecting her to say around 5000 Baht. But she says 7000 baht. WTF. I ditch her and move onto the next one. The girl speaks good English.
Girl 2. I say Hi to her. I get a dirty look from her also. From this point on, everything is a blur. I'm also feeling a little dizzy from standing the whole time on the train from BKK airport to the hotel. I do not remember how much she said for short time. She's not smiling the whole time. I watched over two dozen Thermae videos on youtube before and after visiting Bangkok. I actually found this girl 2 in one of the videos. (See picture below) I'm not feeling the love so I decide to ditch her also.
Girl 3. I approach her because this one is smiling at me, to my surprise. She looks older than the rest. But she says she is 26 years old. She's dressed like an office lady. Probably came to Thermae after work. I don't remember exactly but I think she said 2500 baht short time. She is very polite and looks like a person who would never get angry. For some reason, I ditch her also. I think it was her outfit. Long office pants. Not sexy at all. Mistake number 1. I went back to Thermae several times to find her. But I would never see her again. She speaks good English.
Girl 4. This girl is also smiling. But I think it was fake. Very pretty but it's the make up. Her English is terrible. She only understands how much. 2500 baht short time. I ask her what is your name. She says Puddad. Liar. (Her real name turned out to be Sukanya) I ask her blow job OK? She says yes. Liar. She is 21. I ask her you have Thai ID card? I get a blank stare. I should have chosen girl 3. But I choose this girl because she is tall and slim. Looks like an innocent college girl next door. Big mistake. Not to self: Next time choose a girl who looks a little nasty. We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. (See 2 pictures below).
To be continued.
Bam Boom Bam
02-10-20, 14:25
Part 2.
We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. On the way to the hotel, we get some sandwiches and soft drinks from 7-11. The sandwiches taste like crap. After eating in the room, she says you give me money. I tell her "Take your panty off and go take a shower. I give you money after. " I think she understood.
We are on the bed about to start. I tell her blowjob. She says condom. Covered blowjob wasn't what I was looking for. But it doesn't look like a BBBJ is going to happen. I probably should have kicked her out right then. Anyway, I put the condom on. She reluctantly sucks on it for literally 10 seconds and then stops, acting like I tried to stick a giant baseball bat down her throat. Fucking liar. As I'm pounding away missionary style, I try to kiss her. She freaks out. So I gently place my left hand below her hips and stick my index finger up her ass. It does not enter very far since she is very tight down there. She freaks out even more. At least it was not a giant baseball bat.
After about 10 minutes, I don't see it happening. I just want her to leave so I stop. I think about just giving her 2000 baht for lying about the blowjob. But I give her the 2500 baht.
It turns out she really is a college student. I can tell she hates going to Thermae. She needs to decide what she wants to be. If you want to be a hooker, then act like one. If you want to be a college student, then get the hell out of Thermae. It sure as hell looks like Mr. Syzygies is right about Thermae Cafe.
Part 2.
We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. On the way to the hotel, we get some sandwiches and soft drinks from 7-11. The sandwiches taste like crap. After eating in the room, she says you give me money. I tell her "Take your panty off and go take a shower. I give you money after. " I think she understood.
We are on the bed about to start. I tell her blowjob. She says condom. Covered blowjob wasn't what I was looking for. But it doesn't look like a BBBJ is going to happen. I probably should have kicked her out right then. Anyway, I put the condom on. She reluctantly sucks on it for literally 10 seconds and then stops, acting like I tried to stick a giant baseball bat down her throat. Fucking liar. As I'm pounding away missionary style, I try to kiss her. She freaks out. So I gently place my left hand below her hips and stick my index finger up her ass. It does not enter very far since she is very tight down there. She freaks out even more. At least it was not a giant baseball bat.
After about 10 minutes, I don't see it happening. I just want her to leave so I stop. I think about just giving her 2000 baht for lying about the blowjob. But I give her the 2500 baht.
It turns out she really is a college student. I can tell she hates going to Thermae. She needs to decide what she wants to be. If you want to be a hooker, then act like one. If you want to be a college student, then get the hell out of Thermae. It sure as hell looks like Mr. Syzygies is right about Thermae Cafe.There's a lot of grey area between "disgusted desperate newbie"and "hardcore professional hooker". Perhaps your "date" was too close to being the former. One looks for somewhere in the middle.
Btw. not to pick a fight, but who the hell are you to tell anyone to "get the hell out of Thermae"or anywhere for that matter? She has more right to be there than you and you should know by going into Thermae that although most girls are there every night or every other night.. there is a small smattering of true ""end of month" or sometime freelancers who stop by when they have a temporary need. That's the chance you take and that's the opportunity other mongers seek. If you want something more guaranteed, learn to distinguish between the women you meet/talk to (it's not that hard if you make a minimal effort)
I had the fortune of meeting a true non Thermae regular at Thermae last year. Wonderful girl.
btw here's another tip. Don't be shy about specific requests that are important to you (for e.g. BBBJ) Ask the girl. They won't be offended. and IF they are/ or appear to be - that's a good signal you've chosen one you need to run away from.
SuperBuilder2
02-11-20, 02:06
Part 2.
We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. On the way to the hotel, we get some sandwiches and soft drinks from 7-11. The sandwiches taste like crap. After eating in the room, she says you give me money. I tell her "Take your panty off and go take a shower. I give you money after. " I think she understood.
We are on the bed about to start. I tell her blowjob. She says condom. Covered blowjob wasn't what I was looking for. But it doesn't look like a BBBJ is going to happen. I probably should have kicked her out right then. Anyway, I put the condom on. She reluctantly sucks on it for literally 10 seconds and then stops, acting like I tried to stick a giant baseball bat down her throat. Fucking liar. As I'm pounding away missionary style, I try to kiss her. She freaks out. So I gently place my left hand below her hips and stick my index finger up her ass. It does not enter very far since she is very tight down there. She freaks out even more. At least it was not a giant baseball bat.
After about 10 minutes, I don't see it happening. I just want her to leave so I stop. I think about just giving her 2000 baht for lying about the blowjob. But I give her the 2500 baht.
It turns out she really is a college student. I can tell she hates going to Thermae. She needs to decide what she wants to be. If you want to be a hooker, then act like one. If you want to be a college student, then get the hell out of Thermae. It sure as hell looks like Mr. Syzygies is right about Thermae Cafe.If you do whithout a condom, you defenately are prone to Herpes. Especially deep throat. No thank you for me. Yes saying, read the internet.
If you do whithout a condom, you defenately are prone to Herpes. Especially deep throat. No thank you for me. Yes saying, read the internet.You can get herpes on areas condoms don't cover. Warts as well. This hobby has its risks. If you are not willing to take them, then you should stay monogamous.
Part 2.
We exit Thermae Cafe into the rain-filled night. On the way to the hotel, we get some sandwiches and soft drinks from 7-11. The sandwiches taste like crap. After eating in the room, she says you give me money. I tell her "Take your panty off and go take a shower. I give you money after. " I think she understood.
We are on the bed about to start. I tell her blowjob. She says condom. Covered blowjob wasn't what I was looking for. But it doesn't look like a BBBJ is going to happen. I probably should have kicked her out right then. Anyway, I put the condom on. She reluctantly sucks on it for literally 10 seconds and then stops, acting like I tried to stick a giant baseball bat down her throat. Fucking liar. As I'm pounding away missionary style, I try to kiss her. She freaks out. So I gently place my left hand below her hips and stick my index finger up her ass. It does not enter very far since she is very tight down there. She freaks out even more. At least it was not a giant baseball bat.
After about 10 minutes, I don't see it happening. I just want her to leave so I stop. I think about just giving her 2000 baht for lying about the blowjob. But I give her the 2500 baht.
It turns out she really is a college student. I can tell she hates going to Thermae. She needs to decide what she wants to be. If you want to be a hooker, then act like one. If you want to be a college student, then get the hell out of Thermae. It sure as hell looks like Mr. Syzygies is right about Thermae Cafe.Well, I probably would have given her much less, perhaps 500 Baht if I was feeling generous, a couple of hundred if I was not. And truth be told, I can almost guarantee you that she has pulled this stunt with a lot of other guys and gotten away with it. They know what they are doing and can size a dude up pretty quickly. But yes, most don't want to be hookers but they don't want to work a regular job either. I pretty much swore off FLs a few years ago when I had a string of experiences like yours. I would explain to the gal, in Thai, that I expected her to service me like a boyfriend or like what she would see in a "sex movie" and for the most part they looked dumbfounded.
Thermae was a party every night back in the day. The gals were almost all drinking and there would be quite a few dancing by the jukebox. They would grab your unit as you walked by and proposition you. They were quite aggressive and very forward. We western dudes like this, Asian guys are turned off by it for the most part. I would also imagine a gal who acts shy and inexperienced can be a bit of a turn on to some of the Asian guys. They also have the fantasy that the gal is "cleaner" as so many are paranoid about catching something, as we read about here on the forum ad nauseam these days. But for me, I like the gal next door; if I live next door to a brothel. I like them experienced with dirty minds and dirty mouths. That's hard to find in Thailand. Used to be common in the oiles, not so much any more. Asians, who are the main customers, just want different things. And they are the majority of the market.
You can get herpes on areas condoms don't cover. Warts as well. This hobby has its risks. If you are not willing to take them, then you should stay monogamous.Here here. Not only can you still get herpes and virtually everything else if you wear a condom (rips, tears, slipping off, etc) but you can also get anything and everything even if you are monogamous. Unless you know with 100% certainty your partner is disease free and will remain monogamous as well.
CzarNicholas
02-11-20, 04:01
Here here. Not only can you still get herpes and virtually everything else if you wear a condom (rips, tears, slipping off, etc) but you can also get anything and everything even if you are monogamous. Unless you know with 100% certainty your partner is disease free and will remain monogamous as well.You can get oral gonorrhea from kissing a ho whilst fucking her with 5 condoms on.
Because the monger yesterday had gonorrhea when she sucked him.
Now she's giving it away with kisses LOL.
Bam Boom Bam
02-11-20, 06:28
If you do whithout a condom, you defenately are prone to Herpes. Especially deep throat. No thank you for me. Yes saying, read the internet.I know what you are trying to say. But if the girl has herpes in her crotch area, nothing can protect you from catching herpes. The probability of catching herpes from BBBJ is very low. That's the chance we take.
In theory, you can catch herpes from eating a hamburger with your hands. You did not wash your hands after shaking hands with a guy who just returned from the bathroom. The dude also did not wash his hands and so on. But the practical likelihood is close to zero.
Also, the internet is full of misinformation and fabricated data. I do it for a living. I don't mean fabricating data. This expert says it's 10%. Then another expert says it's 80%. Then people select the data that matches their beliefs.
Bam Boom Bam
02-11-20, 06:50
There's a lot of grey area between "disgusted desperate newbie"and "hardcore professional hooker". Perhaps your "date" was too close to being the former. One looks for somewhere in the middle.
Btw. not to pick a fight, but who the hell are you to tell anyone to "get the hell out of Thermae"or anywhere for that matter? She has more right to be there than you and you should know by going into Thermae that although most girls are there every night or every other night.. there is a small smattering of true ""end of month" or sometime freelancers who stop by when they have a temporary need. That's the chance you take and that's the opportunity other mongers seek. If you want something more guaranteed, learn to distinguish between the women you meet/talk to (it's not that hard if you make a minimal effort)
I had the fortune of meeting a true non Thermae regular at Thermae last year. Wonderful girl.
btw here's another tip. Don't be shy about specific requests that are important to you (for e.g. BBBJ) Ask the girl. They won't be offended. and IF they are/ or appear to be - that's a good signal you've chosen one you need to run away from.She probably was a desperate newbie. If you say to someone "Who the hell are you to" then you are picking a fight.
She does not have more right to be there than me. Perhaps equal right. At least, I'm a paying customer. The price of admission is buying a drink. She is taking advantage of the facilities free of charge.
I believe I made more than minimal effort.
One Thermae performer out of 200 girls is not a high batting percentage albeit admirable.
About requesting BBBJ before going out, I was going to address that in my subsequent reports. Am still working on them.
Robert Long
02-11-20, 07:02
I didn't fuck her. But I met her in Hillary 4 last year. She said barfine was 800 Baht. She wanted 5000 baht for longtime. So I left.Your are a proven rookie, there is a learning curve to handling and dealing with these ladies. If you would have read the forum deeply, you would have learned that negotiation and personally are the key to success. These ladies can see right through you. All of the seniors here have told stories of the disappointments and lessons they have learned dealing with the ladies of the night. Read and learn.
Lesson #1, if she askes for 5000 just ignore and continue the conversation. Laugh and show her your a great guy. Tell her you are interested but be patient. Let her warm up to you. She knows she has your attention and that you are a potential income for her. Again the important part is not to rush, be patient. She knows she has you hooked it is just the price that is holding you back. She will come down, just give her time. Haggling is the oldest form of negotiation. Your in a hurry and that never works in your favor.
RL.
Your are a proven rookie, there is a learning curve to handling and dealing with these ladies. If you would have read the forum deeply, you would have learned that negotiation and personally are the key to success. These ladies can see right through you. All of the seniors here have told stories of the disappointments and lessons they have learned dealing with the ladies of the night. Read and learn.
Lesson #1, if she askes for 5000 just ignore and continue the conversation. Laugh and show her your a great guy. Tell her you are interested but be patient. Let her warm up to you. She knows she has your attention and that you are a potential income for her. Again the important part is not to rush, be patient. She knows she has you hooked it is just the price that is holding you back. She will come down, just give her time. Haggling is the oldest form of negotiation. Your in a hurry and that never works in your favor.
RL.I'm with him just leave too many other fish in the sea and you'll probably end up wasting time and money. Plus a 5 k figure maybe a polite way of saying not interested.
Bam Boom Bam
02-11-20, 08:45
Your are a proven rookie, there is a learning curve to handling and dealing with these ladies. If you would have read the forum deeply, you would have learned that negotiation and personally are the key to success. These ladies can see right through you. All of the seniors here have told stories of the disappointments and lessons they have learned dealing with the ladies of the night. Read and learn.
Lesson #1, if she askes for 5000 just ignore and continue the conversation. Laugh and show her your a great guy. Tell her you are interested but be patient. Let her warm up to you. She knows she has your attention and that you are a potential income for her. Again the important part is not to rush, be patient. She knows she has you hooked it is just the price that is holding you back. She will come down, just give her time. Haggling is the oldest form of negotiation. Your in a hurry and that never works in your favor.
RL.Yeah, I'm not 100% unfamiliar with the negotiation process. But I chose not to pursue the barfine any further after I determined her to be of low IQ. No surprise there. Most bargirls are just plain dumb. Also, she seemed arrogant and high maintenance. She wanted to go to a sky bar. So I left after finishing my drink.
Bam Boom Bam
02-11-20, 10:54
Well, I probably would have given her much less, perhaps 500 Baht if I was feeling generous, a couple of hundred if I was not. And truth be told, I can almost guarantee you that she has pulled this stunt with a lot of other guys and gotten away with it. They know what they are doing and can size a dude up pretty quickly. But yes, most don't want to be hookers but they don't want to work a regular job either. I pretty much swore off FLs a few years ago when I had a string of experiences like yours. I would explain to the gal, in Thai, that I expected her to service me like a boyfriend or like what she would see in a "sex movie" and for the most part they looked dumbfounded.
Thermae was a party every night back in the day. The gals were almost all drinking and there would be quite a few dancing by the jukebox. They would grab your unit as you walked by and proposition you. They were quite aggressive and very forward. We western dudes like this, Asian guys are turned off by it for the most part. I would also imagine a gal who acts shy and inexperienced can be a bit of a turn on to some of the Asian guys. They also have the fantasy that the gal is "cleaner" as so many are paranoid about catching something, as we read about here on the forum ad nauseam these days. But for me, I like the gal next door; if I live next door to a brothel. I like them experienced with dirty minds and dirty mouths. That's hard to find in Thailand. Used to be common in the oiles, not so much any more. Asians, who are the main customers, just want different things. And they are the majority of the market.Yeah, I probably gave her too much money. Lesson learned. You are also probably right about her having successfully pulled this stunt with other guys. I went to Thermae to look for a FL because I was sick and tired of bargirls always begging for lady's drinks. But now I'm thinking the bar scene is still preferable in comparison. I've never had a bargirl refuse kissing and BBBJ. Some of them did not want to kiss at first but did not resist when I kissed them during sex. Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.
You can get oral gonorrhea from kissing a ho whilst fucking her with 5 condoms on.
Because the monger yesterday had gonorrhea when she sucked him.
Now she's giving it away with kisses LOL.Good try. If that were the case the entire world population would have gonorrhea.
Yeah, I probably gave her too much money. Lesson learned. You are also probably right about her having successfully pulled this stunt with other guys. I went to Thermae to look for a FL because I was sick and tired of bargirls always begging for lady's drinks. But now I'm thinking the bar scene is still preferable in comparison. I've never had a bargirl refuse kissing and BBBJ. Some of them did not want to kiss at first but did not resist when I kissed them during sex. Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.I used to have none refuse as well. Seems more and more are headed in that direction. I'd imagine many of our Asian brethren are less demanding than we are.
I pretty much confine it to the oilies these days.
Was just reading on the Singapore forum that a dude pulled a Brazilian Japanese gal for 300 SGD all night. That's less than 7 k baht. So dudes are paying more in Thai gogos (BF and LT fee) for Isaan gals than you would pay for an extremely hot gal out of a hotel disco in expensive Singapore. Nuts really.
She probably was a desperate newbie. If you say to someone "Who the hell are you to" then you are picking a fight.
She does not have more right to be there than me. Perhaps equal right. At least, I'm a paying customer. The price of admission is buying a drink. She is taking advantage of the facilities free of charge.
I believe I made more than minimal effort.
One Thermae performer out of 200 girls is not a high batting percentage albeit admirable.
About requesting BBBJ before going out, I was going to address that in my subsequent reports. Am still working on them.Well. not even sure about equal. . It's her country. You're a tourist. I'm not sure if Thermae mgmt would take your side if had to choose between you and her. There are many more like you, they are a revolving door.
The Thermae hos on the other hand, seem to be a steady and diminishing in diversity bunch. I've gotten lucky in there a couple of times, but 90% of the time, I walk in and walk out. Alone.
Actually one of the other posters was right. The moment she would have said condom for a BJ, I would have given her 500 baht and said thank you, please leave now. (though if there is the slightest doubt in my mind, I will ask before committing) There was one time, and this was already outside.. where the girl was talking about condom on everything, but kind of played along, got her down to a bbbj, and by the end of the encounter, no condom appeared anywhere at anytime.
Bam Boom Bam
02-11-20, 18:17
Well. not even sure about equal. . It's her country. You're a tourist. I'm not sure if Thermae mgmt would take your side if had to choose between you and her. There are many more like you, they are a revolving door.
The Thermae hos on the other hand, seem to be a steady and diminishing in diversity bunch. I've gotten lucky in there a couple of times, but 90% of the time, I walk in and walk out. Alone.
Actually one of the other posters was right. The moment she would have said condom for a BJ, I would have given her 500 baht and said thank you, please leave now. (though if there is the slightest doubt in my mind, I will ask before committing) There was one time, and this was already outside.. where the girl was talking about condom on everything, but kind of played along, got her down to a bbbj, and by the end of the encounter, no condom appeared anywhere at anytime.You are so illogical. At first, you defend the girl saying she has more right to be at Thermae than me. Now, you say you would have given her only 500 Baht which sounds like you are placing blame on her.
Make up your mind before you make a bigger fool out of yourself in front of everyone.
You can get herpes on areas condoms don't cover. Warts as well. This hobby has its risks. If you are not willing to take them, then you should stay monogamous.Isn't there like a medicinal spray you use over your penis after an unprotected blowjob? I know a friend had one but I forgot the name.
I don't understand what all the fuss about Thermae is about. It's a very strange place. A not very large room with some women linked up around the perimeter, and others around the bar in the middle. They are all just standing there, mostly motionless. Between them walk the men, around and around in circles trying to find somebody interesting and interested. In my case that was not possible. I found most of the women unattractive, and the few that were attractive seemed utterly disinterested in me. Maybe they are more interested in Asian customers, IDK.
And on prices I agree, Bangkok is really not a cheap destination any more. As somebody pointed out below, price-wise Bangkok doesn't have much advantage over Singapore anymore. Perhaps it is fairer, perhaps it is the future. Like the many bars where the bare fine is around 1000 baht and the girl wants around 3000 baht. That seems reasonable to me, though it certainly doesn't make for cheap mongering.
CzarNicholas
02-11-20, 22:02
Good try. If that were the case the entire world population would have gonorrhea.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/oral-gonorrhea-may-be-spread-through-kissing-in-msm
If that were the case the entire world population would have gonorrhea.
Really? What % of the world DFK hookers with gonorrhea?
I don't understand what all the fuss about Thermae is about. It's a very strange place. A not very large room with some women linked up around the perimeter, and others around the bar in the middle. They are all just standing there, mostly motionless. Between them walk the men, around and around in circles trying to find somebody interesting and interested. In my case that was not possible. I found most of the women unattractive, and the few that were attractive seemed utterly disinterested in me. Maybe they are more interested in Asian customers, IDK.
And on prices I agree, Bangkok is really not a cheap destination any more. As somebody pointed out below, price-wise Bangkok doesn't have much advantage over Singapore anymore. Perhaps it is fairer, perhaps it is the future. Like the many bars where the bare fine is around 1000 baht and the girl wants around 3000 baht. That seems reasonable to me, though it certainly doesn't make for cheap mongering.Agree! This place is a waste of time and money. It's only advantage is that they are all in one place. Walking down Soi 4 gives you far more to choose from. You can get LT for what thermae is charging for ST. I really think in BKK for picking up freelancers, that Soi 4 is the best option. And if you don't find something walk around have a drink and some girls are getting back. From ST.
You are so illogical. At first, you defend the girl saying she has more right to be at Thermae than me. Now, you say you would have given her only 500 Baht which sounds like you are placing blame on her.
Make up your mind before you make a bigger fool out of yourself in front of everyone.I'll take that risk, thank you. I think you would fail Logic 101. Yes, she has more right to be at any locale in her own country / land than you do. (though I am not a particularly fervent nationalist).
The 500 baht is to simply get out of the situation as smoothly as possible while saving everyone involved at least some measure of face (you may want to read up on that concept in Asian cultures.) Regardless, I don't have time to play the ""blame" game. The YMMV truism is particularly true in case of so called "freelancers" as opposed to a massage joint or even a go go where the girl has a nominal "boss".
You have no "rights" as a "paying customer" in the case of a complete dud when it's a Thermae girl or a girl you meet on the street, or in a nightclub.
It's a risk one takes, which is why the thinking monger usually tries to "feel the girl out" by talking to her a little bit.. instead of walking in, pointing, clicking and leaving.
In fact, most even do this at the go-gos, where you do have some recourse with the mgmt/mamasan.
For some reason, this hasn't quite occurred to you yet, but it will. Eventually. In the meantime we'll wait. Might be a very long time if you automatically label them "lazy and stubborn". I also didn't know that those personality traits were somehow more intrinsic to Thai or SEAsian girls.
I don't understand what all the fuss about Thermae is about. It's a very strange place. A not very large room with some women linked up around the perimeter, and others around the bar in the middle. They are all just standing there, mostly motionless. Between them walk the men, around and around in circles trying to find somebody interesting and interested. In my case that was not possible. I found most of the women unattractive, and the few that were attractive seemed utterly disinterested in me. Maybe they are more interested in Asian customers, IDK.
And on prices I agree, Bangkok is really not a cheap destination any more. As somebody pointed out below, price-wise Bangkok doesn't have much advantage over Singapore anymore. Perhaps it is fairer, perhaps it is the future. Like the many bars where the bare fine is around 1000 baht and the girl wants around 3000 baht. That seems reasonable to me, though it certainly doesn't make for cheap mongering.Agreed that BKK has become relatively expensive, especially for the visitor. People who live there or very regular visitors can build a stable of girls and probably get it for less. I will guess that despite the high prices, people still like BKK because of the infrastructure, and because of the still relatively wide array of options, despite the high prices as opposed to many other places. If you're going to Thailand just to fuck, aren't you better off going to Pattaya, anyways?
I'll take a crack at the "Thermae" deal question. IMO it's because of the old reputation of the place, and the simple fact that it's one of the very few places in BKK where you can still get the so called "freelancer" and many guys simply like that (let's be honest amongst ourselves) . "illusion"of talking a girl up at the bar, and taking her home as if she weren't a regular prostitute. LOL I may be guilty of that myself. But I have found non regular Thermae girls at Thermae several times with much success ensuing back in my hotel.
But ultimately, as I've said. I usually leave alone from there 90% of the time. (I also happen to agree with you about finding many of them not particularly attractive)
And yes, the current Asian "preferred" clientele have in fact "ruined"the place for "Westerners" as their cultural preferences in terms of how they want the girls to look and perhaps even more importantly act don't match ours. C'est la vie. That's why as a farang, I never go into Thermae expecting anything. I know going in it's not going to be my "vibe", period with that completely preposterous Asian monger circular walk around with the girls straining to look "cute and demure"" for the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese.
There was a guy that talked up a Thai nightclub where people / farangs in the know could go and try their game on some willing girls. But it's not conveniently located in the Sukhumvit farang ghetto.
Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.Aah, well, now in this instance, you are a paying customer and you can take your hooker designated money elsewhere. That is most certainly your right.
I think I may also agree with you on your last sentence, though interestingly enough, my experiences in Thailand have gotten dramatically better with time, even as prices rose, as Asians became the preferred customer base and all the other things that have supposedly "ruined" it for farangs.
Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.BKK has better scenes than Nana bargirl scene and BKK Gogo scene. Very it out try freelancers, MP's, thaifriendly, soi 7 beer bar etc and you should find better experiences.
SuperBuilder2
02-12-20, 02:41
Isn't there like a medicinal spray you use over your penis after an unprotected blowjob? I know a friend had one but I forgot the name.Isn't that a condom? I prefer to avoid.
SuperBuilder2
02-12-20, 02:45
I know what you are trying to say. But if the girl has herpes in her crotch area, nothing can protect you from catching herpes. The probability of catching herpes from BBBJ is very low. That's the chance we take.
In theory, you can catch herpes from eating a hamburger with your hands. You did not wash your hands after shaking hands with a guy who just returned from the bathroom. The dude also did not wash his hands and so on. But the practical likelihood is close to zero.
Also, the internet is full of misinformation and fabricated data. I do it for a living. I don't mean fabricating data. This expert says it's 10%. Then another expert says it's 80%. Then people select the data that matches their beliefs.I doubt you see the seriousness of this. Read the corrrct internet sites. Not like what people like you write. Or Just don't protect. Tell its from the toilet seat.
Isn't there like a medicinal spray you use over your penis after an unprotected blowjob? I know a friend had one but I forgot the name.You could give your dick and balls a few sprays of hydrogen peroxide, easily available in most pharmacies and drug stores, and rub it around before showering. It generally comes in an ordinary bottle but you can put some in a small plastic spray bottle for this purpose.
I keep a spray bottle of it in my shower. After sex, I wash by dick and balls with soapy water, rinse, then sometimes spray my dick and balls with the hydrogen peroxide, wash and rinse again. I have no idea if it works to protect me against anything but I haven't had any problems, infections or problems in decades, so there it is.
As an aside, I also pour a small amount of hydrogen peroxide into a cup, add an equal amount of water, swish that solution around in my mouth, spit and rinse again before brushing my teeth 3-4 times a week. This was on the recommendation of my very good dentist many years ago. He said, "If everybody did this 3-4 times per week they would put us dentists out of business." Now, this part is very important: Don't do it EVERY day. Do it two days, skip a day, two days, skip a day and so on. We don't want to kill ALL of the bacteria in our mouths every day. Some of that bacteria is helpful and good for us. But I can say this, since I have been following that regime I have not had one problem with my teeth, no cavities, no infections, no toothaches and my exams/X-rays are all clear every time. For about 20-25 years so far.
Maybe the same thing is happening with my dick and balls due to that regime.
You could give your dick and balls a few sprays of hydrogen peroxide, easily available in most pharmacies and drug stores, and rub it around before showering. It generally comes in an ordinary bottle but you can put some in a small plastic spray bottle for this purpose.
I keep a spray bottle of it in my shower. After sex, I wash by dick and balls with soapy water, rinse, then sometimes spray my dick and balls with the hydrogen peroxide, wash and rinse again. I have no idea if it works to protect me against anything but I haven't had any problems, infections or problems in decades, so there it is.
As an aside, I also pour a small amount of hydrogen peroxide into a cup, add an equal amount of water, swish that solution around in my mouth, spit and rinse again before brushing my teeth 3-4 times a week. This was on the recommendation of my very good dentist many years ago. He said, "If everybody did this 3-4 times per week they would put us dentists out of business." Now, this part is very important: Don't do it EVERY day. Do it two days, skip a day, two days, skip a day and so on. We don't want to kill ALL of the bacteria in our mouths every day. Some of that bacteria is helpful and good for us. But I can say this, since I have been following that regime I have not had one problem with my teeth, no cavities, no infections, no toothaches and my exams/X-rays are all clear every time. For about 20-25 years so far.
Maybe the same thing is happening with my dick and balls due to that regime.I use a food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide to spray in the groin area. Since it is 3% there is no need to dilute even for mouthwash. It supposedly takes care of bad bacteria, virus, keeps everything smelling good and great for the skin. People have know to spray fire into the throat to fix colds and even asthma & stuff. Unfortunately my last trip my bottle finished off before my trip was done because of excessive "activity" haha. And I did not trust any of the local brands & frankly did not put in any effort to find a good brand.
I use a food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide to spray in the groin area. Since it is 3% there is no need to dilute even for mouthwash. It supposedly takes care of bad bacteria, virus, keeps everything smelling good and great for the skin. People have know to spray fire into the throat to fix colds and even asthma & stuff. Unfortunately my last trip my bottle finished off before my trip was done because of excessive "activity" haha. And I did not trust any of the local brands & frankly did not put in any effort to find a good brand.Typo: not fire into the throat, just spray directly on the throat.
........... Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.
Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part I agree with you. Different flavors of Asians tend to be different. I've found Indo gals to be about the best and Cambodians to be among the worst. But for the most part the gals I was with in the US and Latin America before I moved to Asia were far better, nastier, and a lot more fun. I think men in the West are just more demanding than Asian dudes. Thailand's appeal was the gals were plentiful and cheap. Can't beat a ST for 12.50 to 25 USD, which is what it was when I moved over. And for the most part, that is what many are still worth in my mind because the service overall has not improved. As I mentioned, I have had a few exceptions, most in oilies 5-10 years ago and some freelancers and the odd GoGo gal 15 plus years ago. And that was probably due to the fact back then all wanted a boyfriend and were giving a sales pitch with their ST. The current crop are making way to much money in the scene to want a BF. So it's wham bam, the less service they can get away with the better. When they encounter an old hand like myself; they want nothing to do with me as they know I'm going to want to put them through their paces.
https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/economy/with-33-coronavirus-cases-thailand-still-welcomes-chinese-tourists
Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part I agree with you. Different flavors of Asians tend to be different. I've found Indo gals to be about the best and Cambodians to be among the worst. But for the most part the gals I was with in the US and Latin America before I moved to Asia were far better, nastier, and a lot more fun. I think men in the West are just more demanding than Asian dudes. Thailand's appeal was the gals were plentiful and cheap. Can't beat a ST for 12.50 to 25 USD, which is what it was when I moved over. And for the most part, that is what many are still worth in my mind because the service overall has not improved. As I mentioned, I have had a few exceptions, most in oilies 5-10 years ago and some freelancers and the odd GoGo gal 15 plus years ago. And that was probably due to the fact back then all wanted a boyfriend and were giving a sales pitch with their ST. The current crop are making way to much money in the scene to want a BF. So it's wham bam, the less service they can get away with the better. When they encounter an old hand like myself; they want nothing to do with me as they know I'm going to want to put them through their paces.
My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.
Can anyone recommend providers who will do ass to mouth in BKK? I tried to RTFF but searching ATM doesn't return any results, and searching ass to mouth seems to return the wrong results.
The venue doesn't really matter to me (I'll do smooci, or an agency, or go to a massage parlor).
It's just sort of a bucket list thing for me. Appreciated.
Jimmy Boy 99
02-13-20, 02:26
My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?
My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.And so you are pushing up the cost more and more. Double her pay? No wonder attitudes are so poor. Sorry, when a Isaan GoGo girl is wanting 3 k for ST, good service should come along with that. That is already a more than "fair reward. " That is is what you are agreeing to pay her for in the first place. Do you tip the person that cleans your aircon or the people that deliver your new washing machine in order to get them to do their job properly? No, it is part of the service. What I would suggest is, if it's a great session then I'll give you the 3 k you want, if it is not then I'll pay less. Also please keep in mind, the culture around pay and attitudes about money are different here. There is face involved. If you pay an egregious amount, then all of the sudden that is her "worth" and she will not be happy with anything less as that is a loss of face for her, even if just in her own mind. Don't fool yourself, these girls for the most part make quite a bit more than the average Thai. Salaries are about 30 k per month without drinks and not including what they make ST and LT. That being said, if she chooses to stay LT on her own volition and services you more that night and in the morning, then a little more might be in order.
I'm addition, check sites like finfinfan. That is where the local Thai men find their gals. The girls are much better looking than what you see in GoGos and the average per hour for their company (including room) is 1600 - 2000 Baht.
Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?Exactly my point. Boy, what a place we have come to. Next thing you know I'm going to have to tip the clerk at 7 for ringing up my cookies.
Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.You have to allow for Asian girls not being used to taking a good pounding nor a big cock. However there do exist Thai girls who like big, deep, and heavy fucking. Some Asian girls in the modern day are even taking black guys as BFs (big and strong).
Many years ago I was totally sick of hookers in my own Country, and so moved to Asian girls since they had a much better attitude, and gave better service by miles, and on average better looking. However that was late 80's, early 90's. Back then most Thai girls were fun in the room. Times have changed. European hookers can give really good service if you find the right ones. I have to agree though that latin and black hookers have always been better for average service levels than Thais. Not that many dud Latinas, in my experience, despite never having been to south America.
Member #4698
02-13-20, 04:18
What I would suggest is, if it's a great session then I'll give you the 3 k you want, if it is not then I'll pay less. Also please keep in mind, the culture around pay and attitudes about money are different here. In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".
For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy.
I have used this approach many times but solely in FL pick up bars in situations described above. I have never used this approach on Go Go girls. Honestly, I don't think it is needed. Go Go girls almost never quote above their price range and if one did I would take it as a huge Tell and pass on the girl unless she immediately lowered her offer. With Go Go girls I have my MO and that includes buying them a drink or two, getting friendly in the bar, and sizing them up. If a girl passes the audition it usually means we are going to have a good time in the loom and I don't need to provide her with any more incentive to perform other than the agreed upon fee and me! Yeah, 555, Me, because I am just what an honest, good looking, little Go Go girl is looking for ie a friendly, not too unsightly, courteous, ha ha ha, Farang with a decent size wallet, reasonable sexual abilities, and a lot of time on his hands in BKK or wherever we just met. And I do give reasonable tips to girls if I like them and they were nice and gave me what I wanted, and that is a good time. I know I don't have to, but I usually do anyway if the service was good. My point here is that the most rewarding thing I can do for a NEW Go Go girl I have not been with before or any new working girl, for that matter, is to see her again. Even now, at this late date, little Thai Go Go girls still appreciate friendly, steady customers and potential repeat customers do get benefits. Part of the initial conversation in the audition is always the part where the girls ask, "how long you stay in BKK (or wherever)." and when I tell them I am here for 2 months or 6 weeks or whatever time I have (I NEVER LIE), I usually see a discreet smile light up their charming faces. That is one of the reasons I think ex-pats have an amazing advantage over guys like me and can get better deals with the same girls. But as i have said before, everyone's mileage may vary.
I am not comfortable with offering more money if the girl "does a great job" or "makes me happy." I realize this works very well for many punters and good for them. But I have run up against too many sweet young things whose idea of "great" and "happy" are miles away from what I'm talking about. Especially if they only have their experiences with other, possibly much easier to please, punters from which to judge. Inevitably, there is a 99% chance what appears to work and work very well for most punters will NOT work for me. So I need to be a lot more specific than that. It isn't the easier or more comfortable way to go for sure. Far from it. But, like many things in life, it gets easier and the results more frequent the more you do it.
This is what I did last night in the one and only Nana Plaza go-go bar I went into around 10PM, Mandarin Bar.
I walked in, looked around and immediately spied a sweet young thing that did it for me for her face and body head to toe at first glance. I sat in the booth right under where she was dancing. Eye contact and smiles. Another girl comes over and plops herself next to me. "Buy me a drink?" No, honey, I just sat down and want to relax a few minutes. Ok, she gets up and leaves, pouting. Mamasan comes over and says Hi, I squeeze her hand and say "Sawadee khrup" (Hello).
I scan the room but my attention goes back to the one dancing on the table in front of me. More eye contact and smiles. She gestures that she is cold because she is dancing in front of the air-conditioner. I gesture for her to come down for a drink. She is happy. Small chit chat about our names, where you from, blah, blah, blah.
When her Ladydrink arrives the mamasan comes over again and hits me up for a drink. I smile and say no, maybe later and gesture to the girl cuddling next to me. Did I break a rule here? I couldn't care less. She smiles, understands and tells the girl to "take care of him."
As she finishes her Ladydrink I ask my girl how much for barfine. She calls over the mamasan who shows me a card that says "1,200 baht barfine, ST 3,000 baht" etc. I say thank you I will talk to my girl about it.
"You like to kiss?" (similar to Natty's key question, as I recall!), pointing to my lips and her lips.
Yes.
We give it a try right there in the bar and she opens her mouth slightly for our tongues to touch.
"Do you sa-moke (smoke, blowjob) for me?"
What?
"Sa-moke. Not cigarettes. A blowjob. Sa-moke me (pointing to my dick)?"
Oh. Yes.
"How will you finish it for me?"
(confused look, understandably and not unexpectedly).
"Will you make me cum inside your mouth (pointing inside my mouth), 2,000?"
Yes.
She smiled when she said it as though she'd never heard of a girl finishing a blowjob any other way. But that was just my backup plan question before the next, far more important question. Her English and my Thai were too shaky to take a chance on this one. So I typed it out on Google Translate and showed it to her:
"We boom boom no condom, 2,500 baht".
Yes, ok. You want to pay bar now?
"Yep."
You want me to go change now (gesturing with both hands about changing into street clothes).
"Yes, honey." And there was no discussion about me prepaying in the bar. I only prepaid the barfine in the bar. I paid her the 2,500 after we were finished in my room.
All went very well in the room, no unpleasant surprises, no tricks. This method works about 60-70% of the time for me in Bangkok go-go bars and it way predates the coronavirus hysteria if that is in anyone's mind. Yeah, maybe I could have kept it at 2,000 baht. But doing that has triggered more back and forth in the past that I am too weary of after all these years. I like the element of surprise and disarming them by offering them MORE (just 500 baht) than they thought they had in their hand just a minute ago and that seems to diminish or even eliminate any argument regarding what I am now asking them to do for me instead of a mere blowjob with a real blowjob finish (BBFS+CIP). And if there IS any further balking about it in the room, at least I have a BBBJ+CIM agreement in the bank for less money. Not 100% guaranteed. Nothing is in this hobby. But pretty close.
She really was a lovely sweetheart. I will repeat. If I have time while cruising the scene for other fresh 19-20 year old cuties.
Franciscass
02-13-20, 06:54
Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?Service is not black or white I. E. Good or bad. Nor is it some mystical experience but it is nuanced with a myriad of sensitivities influenced by a multitude of variables. So yes when you pay you expect good service but your idea of good service may be personal and different from others. Recent posts have bemoaned the inability of Asian girls to take a good pounding whatever that means, others feel it's a dud unless the girl behaves like a girlfriend again whatever that means while still others give the session low marks unless it BB sex. For me it's important to have a chat beforehand call it foreplay if you will to know what her service profile is and if there is some semblance of that enigmatic chemistry going on. Back to the issue on hand, why give an incentive by way of an extra bonus? Simply put, most likely she will try harder.
Franciscass
02-13-20, 07:01
"Will you make me cum inside your mouth (pointing inside my mouth), 2,000?"
Somewhat confused ET as to exactly how much you paid and did you get bb cip?
In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".
For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy..So after doing all that, you could have easily said that you overpay. 5 k baht. Well now we know who is driving up prices. New folks reading his post, never pay more than 1500ST and 3000 LT. 5 k, you got to be kidding me.
When her Ladydrink arrives the mamasan comes over again and hits me up for a drink. I smile and say no, maybe later and gesture to the girl cuddling next to me. Did I break a rule here? I couldn't care less. She smiles, understands and tells the girl to "take care of him."This is getting so common and it's annoying. Why would I buy mamasan a drink? Like you I've never shown any interest in buying a drink for mamasan, but still annoying. Bar is already making good money with overpriced drinks, lady drinks, hefty bar-fines and they still want to be greedy. It will only push away the expats and regulars.
"We boom boom no condom, 2,500 baht".
Yes, ok. Wow this was too simple, and little scary. Is it this common for girls of gogo to do unprotected sex?
This is getting so common and it's annoying. Why would I buy mamasan a drink? Like you I've never shown any interest in buying a drink for mamasan, but still annoying. Bar is already making good money with overpriced drinks, lady drinks, hefty bar-fines and they still want to be greedy. It will only push away the expats and regulars.My objection to it in this case was I had not yet found out if the girl she was encouraging to "take care of him" either by routine, for laughs or as a sincere message to the girl was a scammer or not. Why would I reward a mamasan for letting me sit there with a known scammer or trouble girl? Oh, yeah, that has happened to me before. Therefore, I might very well hand that same mamasan a tip or buy her a drink the next time I go in that bar and take that same girl to confirm to her and to any other girls witnessing it that whatever it was my girl agreed to in the bar and did for me in the room was very good for me, for her and for the mamasan.
Wow this was too simple, and little scary. Is it this common for girls of gogo to do unprotected sex?I can only say it happens about 60-70% of the time FOR ME in Bangkok go-go bars if I use this approach or some verbal variation of it. It works much less so FOR ME in places like massage shops, Beer Garden Soi 7 and virtually anywhere in Pattaya. But no other approach works particularly well for me in those places either. LOL. Not to mention I look around in those places and wonder why I would even bother with girls generally so much less attractive than the girls I can get in Bangkok go-go bars anyway.
Recently completed my trip, spent 5 days in BKK before flying out.
Day 1:
Arrived late, checked into Pullman Grande. Fired up Wechat Badoo and Tinder for some FLs and semi pros for tomorrow. Set up a LT with a girl I met on Wechat from past trips, nice smart girl with an amazing body, went out to dinner before a full night of fucking, total GFE, 10 k damage. Really worth it IMO to take the time and build some rapport with these girls, especially if you find someone you like.
Day 2:
Woke up for 2 more rounds before saying goodbye to the girl from last night. Got breakfast and checked out past field reports. Decided to check out Mitu (I had confused Doki Doki and Mitu earlier in the trip, I had been to Mitu on a previous trip before). Arrived a bit early in the afternoon and chose Haduki for 90 min. Really small girl with brown skin, A cups, but a nice and toned body and tight pussy. Standard nuru procedure with first round on the mattress and second on the bed. Got a nice massage in between. 5 k damage. More expensive than Doki Doki but a more worthwhile experience.
Headed back to hotel, relaxed a bit and hit up Smooci. Booked Pearry for 2 hours. She arrived late but made up for it with an excellent session. Small spinner with great white skin, nice bolt ONS and a cute ass. Limited English and a bit shy but warmed up after things got started. BBBJ, LFK, very tight and took a pounding without complaint, cuddled for a bit before going for a second round. Gave her a tip for a total damage of 4 k.
Got dinner and checked out Cowboy around 10 pm. Avoided the rip off joints as recommended by some of the seniors and sat in Bacarra for a bit, Great talent but I was much too tired as I had cum 6 times on the day, decided to note down a few numbers before heading back to the hotel early.
Day 3:
Woke up, got breakfast (which was mediocre at best), and contacted Bangkok Golden for a session with Bell later in the day. Walked over to Daisy Dream at around 2 pm and was presented with a line up of 10 girls. Chose a cute short haired girl in a red dress and be cups for 90 minutes, but did not remember her name as the session was pretty forgettable. She gave a great massage but had a bit of baby fat and was pretty loose. The room was nice with a fairly big jacuzzi, but that left limited room for the air mattress. CBJ, with first round on the mattress and second round on the bed. Cleaned up in the Jacuzzi and then the shower. 4.5 k damage. The talent was OK so it's likely you'll get a better service with a different girl.
Went back to the hotel and cleaned up. Bell arrived on time. Great body, skin, see cups and a cute ass. Her English is pretty good and can hold a conversation well, but does not do kissing. She gave a great BBBJ before moving onto multiple positions, popped in missionary and cuddled for a bit before the second round. I struggled to pop but she didn't give up and finished me with her mouth. A very good session but a bit pricey at 6 k for 2 hours, although very convenient.
Was going to hit up Bacarra again for some nighttime fun but found a hottie named Poppy on Tinder who was down to meet. She's from BKK but looked more Korean. Tall for an Asian with a great body, fake the cups and a bubble butt, looked like a kpop model. Told me she just started in this line of work and it shows, but took directions well and was very responsive. Went several rounds before both of us were spent after 4 hours. I sent her on her way with 6 k and she promised to see me again before I left. Cancelled by Bacarra plans as I was again exhausted.
Day 4:
Woke up very late, missed breakfast. Felt a bit sore from the night before so I went and got a legit massage from across the street at Health Land Asoke, which I would very much recommend. Partook in some normal tourist activities in the afternoon before returning to the hotel. Booked Nana from Smooci for another excellent 2 hour session. The site has her English as basic but her English is closer to conversational level. Very smart and outgoing. She doesn't have as great of a body as the other girls I've seen but is very enthusiastic. Excellent BBBJ with multiple positions before popping in doggy, cuddled and exchanged life stories before going for a second round and popping in mish. Total damage of 4 k again including tip. She'd be great to book for LT and I would highly recommend her for those of you looking for more than just a quick fuck.
Had dinner and checked out Bacarra. Place was packed as it was the day before the Magha Puja, and I was told the place would close down at midnight. Saw a thicker girl named Moonam which I really liked. She had a body shape closer to a Latina with a lot of tattoos. Bought her a drink and we hit it off very well. Took her out for ST and had a very hot fuck back in the hotel, BBBJ, DFK, popped in mish but went for a second round after she saw I was still hard after cleaning up. Got her Line and will plan on seeing her again on my next trip if she's still around.
Day 5:
Since I was told most places were going to be closed today, I hit up Poppy and she took me to see a few of the temples through out the day, felt like a real date. Took her shopping in T21 before heading back to the hotel at around 5 pm. Had a flight to catch early next morning at 6 so we spent the rest of the night in the room fucking. Total damage including shopping and room service came out to around 18 k. Pricey but a very worthwhile experience imo, considering the usual prices I pay in the US, and the reports on how expensive BKK has gotten.
Overall spent 7 days in BKK and 3 days in Pattaya on this trip. Tried a bit of everything but had the best time with FLs from different apps. I'd rank Smooci and escort agencies second, gogo girls third, and massage places 4th. I thought that my main go to this trip would be gogos but had more success building rapport with the girls I found in gogos and taking them out later. The massage places I went to were all fairly underwhelming with the exception of Mitu, which was also the most expensive option.
In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".
For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy.
I have used this approach many times but solely in FL pick up bars in situations described above. I have never used this approach on Go Go girls. Honestly, I don't think it is needed. Go Go girls almost never quote above their price range and if one did I would take it as a huge Tell and pass on the girl unless she immediately lowered her offer. With Go Go girls I have my MO and that includes buying them a drink or two, getting friendly in the bar, and sizing them up. If a girl passes the audition it usually means we are going to have a good time in the loom and I don't need to provide her with any more incentive to perform other than the agreed upon fee and me! Yeah, 555, Me, because I am just what an honest, good looking, little Go Go girl is looking for ie a friendly, not too unsightly, courteous, ha ha ha, Farang with a decent size wallet, reasonable sexual abilities, and a lot of time on his hands in BKK or wherever we just met. And I do give reasonable tips to girls if I like them and they were nice and gave me what I wanted, and that is a good time. I know I don't have to, but I usually do anyway if the service was good. My point here is that the most rewarding thing I can do for a NEW Go Go girl I have not been with before or any new working girl, for that matter, is to see her again. Even now, at this late date, little Thai Go Go girls still appreciate friendly, steady customers and potential repeat customers do get benefits. Part of the initial conversation in the audition is always the part where the girls ask, "how long you stay in BKK (or wherever)." and when I tell them I am here for 2 months or 6 weeks or whatever time I have (I NEVER LIE), I usually see a discreet smile light up their charming faces. That is one of the reasons I think ex-pats have an amazing advantage over guys like me and can get better deals with the same girls. But as i have said before, everyone's mileage may vary.Good strategy. If she performs she gets her initial asking price and if she doesn't, she doesn't.
My objection to it in this case was I had not yet found out if the girl she was encouraging to "take care of him" either by routine, for laughs or as a sincere message to the girl was a scammer or not. Why would I reward a mamasan for letting me sit there with a known scammer or trouble girl? Oh, yeah, that has happened to me before. Therefore, I might very well hand that same mamasan a tip or buy her a drink the next time I go in that bar and take that same girl to confirm to her and to any other girls witnessing it that whatever it was my girl agreed to in the bar and did for me in the room was very good for me, for her and for the mamasan.Yeah I agree if mamasan found me a great girl, I would be happy to give her tip or buy her drink next time. Usually I find a girl in gogo pretty quickly, usually in 3-4 minutes of me sitting there, so maybe no mamasan got the chance to recommend any girl to me.
Yeah I agree if mamasan found me a great girl, I would be happy to give her tip or buy her drink next time. Usually I find a girl in gogo pretty quickly, usually in 3-4 minutes of me sitting there, so maybe no mamasan got the chance to recommend any girl to me.I don't remember a time when a mamasan ever recommended a girl to me. At least not one I thought was interesting or good looking enough to actually barfine and give a try. Just hard cases who probably need a customer, any customer, very badly. Oh, I have had mamasans walk over to me in a bar with a good looking girl, both smiling, and ask if the girl can sit with me. Maybe that was a recommendation and I did not see it that way. I only saw it as, "This girl has no customer. Why don't you buy her a drink?"
In this case, the mamasan only said to the girl that I had already called down and was sitting next to me after ordering a Ladydrink, "Take care of him." But I suspect she says that to every girl in front of every customer all the time. Besides, I don't even think the girl spoke English well enough to fully understand what the mamasan said. The mamasan said it in English for me to hear and understand, not the girl.
No mamasan has ever asked me what I want from a girl. I would honestly tell her if one ever asked me. LOL. But since none has ever been curious or interested enough to even ask me if there is anything special or different that I require that might convince me to part with upwards of 3000-4000 baht at this time on this night with any girl in their bar, my assumption is the mamasan thinks I am only interested in paying for basic, standard fare of "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed." I have no sense that a mamasan knows what worked so well for me behind closed doors with a previous girl in her bar to now be selecting other girls for me on that basis. So there is zero advantage to me in taking an otherwise unseen girl a mamasan brings over to me at random.
Member #4643
02-14-20, 01:15
I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.
However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.
My question for you Tinder aficionados is this: do I need to buy a second phone to set up a Tinder account when I return to BKK next? Or is there some type of App that I can use so Tinder thinks I have a new phone number when I sign up again? If there is an App, can someone direct me to the website so I can purchase it?
Khob Khun Krup.
Forest.
I don't remember a time when a mamasan ever recommended a girl to me. At least not one I thought was interesting or good looking enough to actually barfine and give a try. Just hard cases who probably need a customer, any customer, very badly. Oh, I have had mamasans walk over to me in a bar with a good looking girl, both smiling, and ask if the girl can sit with me. Maybe that was a recommendation and I did not see it that way. I only saw it as, "This girl has no customer. Why don't you buy her a drink?"
In this case, the mamasan only said to the girl that I had already called down and was sitting next to me after ordering a Ladydrink, "Take care of him." But I suspect she says that to every girl in front of every customer all the time. Besides, I don't even think the girl spoke English well enough to fully understand what the mamasan said. The mamasan said it in English for me to hear and understand, not the girl.
No mamasan has ever asked me what I want from a girl. I would honestly tell her if one ever asked me. LOL. But since none has ever been curious or interested enough to even ask me if there is anything special or different that I require that might convince me to part with upwards of 3000-4000 baht at this time on this night with any girl in their bar, my assumption is the mamasan thinks I am only interested in paying for basic, standard fare of "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed." I have no sense that a mamasan knows what worked so well for me behind closed doors with a previous girl in her bar to now be selecting other girls for me on that basis. So there is zero advantage to me in taking an otherwise unseen girl a mamasan brings over to me at random.I agree that mamasans in Go go bars have quite limited use. Obviously to translate if there is a language barrier. Speaking Thai, I don't have a need. Mamasan is largely a nuisance. If you buy her a drink she will keep pestering you from then on.
Can ask mamasan if your particular favourite girl has been working lately or in attendance. I never take the mamasans recommendation, since they have not fucked the girl. The reverse is different though. There have been gogos where I am very well known to certain reliable staff, who have been tipped for good information. For example if I asked serving staff girl Yao at Suzie Wong (in the past), what she thought about a particular girl, if she warned me off the girl (indicating not likely good for me), I would take notice. Bar girls can be very nice or can be duds or problematic. The bar staff are likely to know which girls usually leave good customers unhappy, and which girls can really be fun.
Banana Boi
02-14-20, 03:03
The only time a mamasan is of any use to me is when she kicks guys out of the seat I want because she knows I will spend more than the guys currently occupying the seat. So if you get booted from a prime gogo bar seat in Pattaya just scream out "WTF BB".
I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.
However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.
My question for you Tinder aficionados is this: do I need to buy a second phone to set up a Tinder account when I return to BKK next? Or is there some type of App that I can use so Tinder thinks I have a new phone number when I sign up again? If there is an App, can someone direct me to the website so I can purchase it?
Khob Khun Krup.
Forest.You can sign up with tinder with an email or Facebook. So just create a fake account or a mongering email. Sign up and then just delete it after. Tinder is owned by the match group and if they ban your email or Facebook you can't use it again. They may also flag your name, so use a fake name next time you sign up.
I only saw it as, "This girl has no customer. Why don't you buy her a drink?"
That is spot on, the usual motivation, mamasan is not there for the customer (that much), unless you are very regular and have made it worth her while.
I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.
However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.
My question for you Tinder aficionados is this: do I need to buy a second phone to set up a Tinder account when I return to BKK next? Or is there some type of App that I can use so Tinder thinks I have a new phone number when I sign up again? If there is an App, can someone direct me to the website so I can purchase it?
Khob Khun Krup.
Forest.Thanks for the heads up about that issue with Tinder. But I am sure I have discussed sex acts for money fairly blatantly a few times on Tinder before moving the discussion to Line without being banned. Have you tried to just restart a new subscription package through your current phone?
I remember being unable to open an account on one of the other regular dating site apps, ThaiCupid, and kept getting a message that they were "reviewing" my application due to something they were concerned about. I never found out what that concern was all about. But when I applied for an annual auto-renew package, something I wanted to do anyway, all was forgiven and they activated my account without a problem. Maybe starting a Tinder Gold subscription will loosen their grip on those rules of behavior or whatever.
Christian G
02-14-20, 10:13
I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.
However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.
Forest.I been in Angeles City few months ago with a friend, he used Tinder alot and many pinay wanted to move the conversation to whatsapp ASAP for talking about ST-LT money and service, they didn't want to talk about it on tinder.
I would like to summarise my recent experience mongering in Bangkok during the virus outbreak. I am of East Asian descent, but was born and raised in a North American country. For privacy reasons I will not disclose my specific ethnicity. But when I come to Thailand, girls tend to guess I am Korean, Chinese, Hong Konger, or Singaporean. Given I often pass for Chinese, I was unsure what sort of treatment I would get.
I stayed for 2 weeks during late Jan / early Feb and had girls from a variety of sources, including gogos (Nana), escorts (BGE and Smooci), BJ salons, nurus, and freelancers from various apps. I have written several reports in their respective sections on the Thailand forum.
To my relief, girls weren't really fazed by me at all. My fluent English and Western personality / mannerisms certainly helped, and I was never turned down by providers. I got a lot of jokes from the girls, who would ask me if I'm from Wuhan and laugh, but I was prepared for this. The mamasans in the gogos would point at me and scream "Wuhan!" jokingly which was kind of annoying, but it was all in good fun. For the escorts who came to my room, the first thing I did was show them my passport and say "I'm not from China, don't worry" to which they responded with laughter. I would also make them wash their hands thoroughly first thing as well as gargle with Listerine, which made them realize I am serious about cleanliness. But overall, I was never treated with suspicion or paranoia, nor was refused service during my time here. I did however receive some judgey stares from a white couple at a a restaurant when I sat down next to them.
I did see several venues restrict customers from China though:
- The Pimp: if you have traveled to China in the last 30 days, you are not allowed entry. They will inspect every page in your passport to check the entry / exit stamps.
- Doki Doki: sign posted at front desk that says they cannot serve customers who have traveled to China in the last 30 days, but they did not check my passport when I went.
Overall, the Thais are still very welcoming of Chinese despite rising cases here (33 as of today). Most people are wearing masks in public. Thailand remains one of the few countries in Asia who have not imposed travel restrictions on travelers from China, and many Chinese are desperate to escape the bleak situation are coming to Thailand in droves, even after the CNY holiday.
Happy mongering and stay safe everyone!
Thanks for the heads up about that issue with Tinder. But I am sure I have discussed sex acts for money fairly blatantly a few times on Tinder before moving the discussion to Line without being banned. Have you tried to just restart a new subscription package through your current phone?
I remember being unable to open an account on one of the other regular dating site apps, ThaiCupid, and kept getting a message that they were "reviewing" my application due to something they were concerned about. I never found out what that concern was all about. But when I applied for an annual auto-renew package, something I wanted to do anyway, all was forgiven and they activated my account without a problem. Maybe starting a Tinder Gold subscription will loosen their grip on those rules of behavior or whatever.It probably is one or more girls reported the OP to Tinder that caused the problem.
Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.
Dark dress in middle.
First night, arrived when cafe just opened. Few guys circling. Took and seat and talked to an older woman. The older women at the cafe always nice. I was boorish. Was encouraged repeatedly to take a girl. Was not particularly in the mood but went a few laps. One of the girls took my wrist as I passed. Surprisingly attractive when I got a better look at her. Wore different makeup than vid, black jumpsuit that accentuated curves, strap heels. About 5'5. Girl-next-door type with exotic features. Quoted 2500. Acceptable. Decided to try Ruamchitt. Price for ST room was about 700 baht. Seemed to be her first time at the hotel and we got lost on the way up. Became v giggly. Ended up on wrong floor again, which made her to keel over and laugh. Found right room next attempt. Turned on air conditioner, closed shades. The room was a double, beds small. Worse, the bed frames had wheels so they gradually got displaced from headboards by activity. Appearance-wise, no tattoos, no loose skin or blemishes. Was not curvy, but OK, went with the girl-next-door vibe. Beginning at roughly 20 minutes and repeating every 5 or so minutes she would enjoin me to finish. After a number of injunctions, managed to obey. Would not let COF, so went to COB. In rush to pull off, condom snapped in my hand and accidentally splashed her face. Evoked brief scream and from scream my frantic concern.
Once sex was over, she was lively and giggly again. Coming down told me she started less than a month ago and came to cafe 2 nights a week. Not entirely true, during the next week she was there every day. Always in dress instead of jumpsuit. First night she was on left side, but subsequent seems to prefer right, in spot with bright lighting.
Glasses, black-red striped pants, white top.
Was in cafe for almost an hour. Did not find anyone I liked. Girl from group behind bar asked me to come over to talk. She knew Japanese but not much English. Did not have much to talk about. Finally, decided to take her. Talked down to 2000. She said 30 minutes. Tomboyish personality. Fake hipster glasses which complimented longish face shape. Long eyelashes, pale skin. Crows feet around eyes, due to makeup probably. Said age 24, worked in sales during the day, which may explain her forwardness. Friend told her about "the cafe". Seemed to lack indoor speaking voice. Spoke loudly in large empty lobby. In room, kicked off her heels and turned on music on speakerphone. For some reason shy about body. Hid in bathroom. Dimmed the lights so much it was nearly dark. Maybe because she accepted 2000. Refused BJ. She took off glasses. Told her to put glasses back on. After 10 minutes, began telling me to hurry. Went faster and deeper, but nowhere near finishing. Whimpering, repeated 'no's, cute anguished expression, but submissive. Seemed resigned to bearing it. Couldn't resist going harder. Fun to be cruel. Almost fell off bed. Me pouring sweat, her whimpering it hurt. Far from finishing so ended it. As soon as I said she could leave, transformed into upbeat tomboyish girl again. Accused me of having gone over 30 minutes, which I denied, but forgot I'd made that agreement at all.
Black string blouse in middle.
Told me from Issan. Pale skin, large eyes set somewhat wide apart, full lips. Earlier that trip, I'd seen another westerner walking with short thermae girl. Walked a little distance apart and seemed uncomfortable. Since then, made an effort to walk arm-in-arm, hand-over-shoulder, hand-in-hand. Anyway, walked about 5-10 minutes back to hotel. Had to demand repeatedly to shower together. Was friendly, but very shy. Insisted on dimming the lights. During penetration, when eye contact, would hum to herself and smile. No lube, so was dry at first. Then condom broke. Rinsed in shower, returned to bed. This time used spit. Around 2 am Said I was only guy. Was happy when I said she was pretty. 2000 or 2500.
Small sitting brown girl.
Almost took her several times. No chemistry. Cold and awkward, little English. Quoted 2500.
Oval-faced girl on left.
About to take her but was snatched by elderly Asian with lower-class manners. Unfortunate.
Was chatting with above glasses girl night after sex. Saw Japanese man with peaked black hoodie saunter by. Dressed all black, long hoodie. Resembled goth cosplay. V out of place and amusing sight. Later saw him talking animatedly with older woman in vid. Older woman spoke Japanese. Earlier in trip, showed me chats on her phone from Japanese man. Couldn't read Japanese but lots of exclamation marks. Picture of her and Japanese man. Apparently testimonies of her good service.
Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.
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Small sitting brown girl. https://youtu.be/iwJlHVCr4Y4?t=120.
Almost took her several times. No chemistry. Cold and awkward, little English. Quoted 2500.
...I almost took her about two weeks ago myself. Big smile as I approached. Very personable as we chatted a moment about things in general. Then it came time to get to it. It being Thermae, I had to ask something to see if it was worth the hassle of walking out with her and down the road a bit; "Do you like to kiss?" pointing to my lips and hers. She said, "Oh, not so much." Already a no-go in my mind. However, with little to lose and willing to be surprised, I asked, "Are you ok if I kiss you everywhere?", discretely gesturing with as small circle to indicate her whole body. Her smile dropped and, with a very pained expression her face, she said, "Oh. Maybe just a little bit, but not too much."
Done and out. Same as you, I decided there was simply no chemistry to bother taking her. Thanks for this report. I thought it was because I was a farang. And an older one at that. LOL.
I almost took her about two weeks ago myself. Big smile as I approached. Very personable as we chatted a moment about things in general. Then it came time to get to it. It being Thermae, I had to ask something to see if it was worth the hassle of walking out with her and down the road a bit; "Do you like to kiss?" pointing to my lips and hers. She said, "Oh, not so much." Already a no-go in my mind. However, with little to lose and willing to be surprised, I asked, "Are you ok if I kiss you everywhere?", discretely gesturing with as small circle to indicate her whole body. Her smile dropped and, with a very pained expression her face, she said, "Oh. Maybe just a little bit, but not too much."
Done and out. Same as you, I decided there was simply no chemistry to bother taking her. Thanks for this report. I thought it was because I was a farang and an older one at that. LOL.She a working girl. What does she do? That's ridiculous. What do the guys who take her get for their 2500 Baht? She should go work at 7.
We should get a group together, say 5 or 6 of us, go into thermae 15 min apart, approach her and each ask her if she rims and takes it in the rice exit. That'd be a hoot.
Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.Nice.
I am going to stay 7 nights at Ruamchitt late March this year.
But now I am thinking maybe I should cancel because of how you described the beds. I have Deluxe Twin Room.
Also I am not Asian and these girls don't seem to be fun. Even If the "Glasses, black-red striped pants, white top" is my type.
Member #4698
02-17-20, 18:59
Wow, I spotted one of my long time repeat girls in this video: https://youtu.be/iwJlHVCr4Y4?t=120..
She is not the girl you guys are talking about, so it has no bearing on the conversation pro or con. I knew she moonlighted in Thermae occasionally with her girl friend. She has a day job as an Insurance Company rep girl and used to work at Baccara up until 2014 when she was younger and a lot sexier. I still see her semi-regularly, but not on account of the sex which has no surprises anymore, but because she is a good girl, has a kinky sense of humor, and because I just like her. Go figure.
BTW, I give her 4000bt whenever I see her. Not because that is her asking price. Her Thermae price is 2500 bt and that is probably negotiable. Ha Ha. But her original no negotiation price when I first met her in Baccara back in 2009 was 2000 baht and that was top dollar back then. In all this time she has never asked me for more. I give her 4000 because I know her rent is 4500/month including utilities and like I said, I just like her. Basically I am helping to support her by giving her half of year's rent. I guess that makes her my part time mistress. 555.
Wow, I spotted one of my long time repeat girls in this video.How is it that the guy who films these videos is always as if he is invisible? The girls don't even glance at him. It's the same when he's waking the streets.
Interesting night. As I have said, the good and bad times generally come in waves.
A very cute, young, slim, waif-like freelancer Matches me on Tinder or rather I Matched her, says she is only in Bkk for three days and needs money. She has clicked on me before and we already had each other's Line from a previous time but she apparently does not remember or she just wants to remind me we have not met yet. The exchange essentially comes down to I will pay her 2000-3000 baht for "good, real sex and will not pay for bad sex", that is all. She is cute enough for me to go with the flow and see what happens in the room. It turns out she is from Isaan, of course, and comes to Bangkok every now and then with her friend who works in Hillary Bar (I didn't even ask which one), but hates to drink alcohol so she does not work in a bar and only freelances.
Unfortunately, what happens in the room is she is about as erotic and willing to please me as a cactus plant. She plops down next to me in bed after her shower, grabs my dick like a hanging strap on the skytrain and starts pulling it like she wants me to cum in record time. No way is that going to happen even if I wanted to cum in record time. So I remove her hand and try to kiss her on the lips. No way is that going to happen either. "Oh, I just ate spicy food," she says. I say, let's just relax for a minute first, wanting to at least cuddle a moment before plunging right in. I make a move to DATY. All of this including the "let's just relax a minute first" comment elicits little "ugh" type groans of impatience from her. She has her pattern, she's sticking to it and it is a really lousy one for the customer, imo. I tell her she seems to only be interested in what she wants to do, not what I want to do. The DATY comes to an abrupt end the instant I dip my tongue the tiniest bit into her slit and she yelps, "NOT so deep!" Believe me, it was not deep.
"Ok", I say as I stand up and wipe my mouth with the nearest towel, "I'm going to call this Very Bad Sex. Thanks for stopping by. I will give you 100 baht for your time. " She dresses in silence and out she goes. Bye.
So I head over to Nana Plaza. Passing Angelwitch go-go bar, a doorgirl hooks my arm and tries to pull me in. My hand cups her bare butt (except for a thong bikini bottom) and it feels great. I pop a boner almost immediately and go inside the bar with her. She stays with me, I buy her a drink and it is about as immediate, erotic and pleasant a chemistry as I have felt with a new girl in a long time. Nice, sleek, satiny smooth body and skin, no tits to speak of and a face for which I might generously give a rating of 6. But she is a sweet girl and feels great in my hands. After one LD which she barely touches, apparently not wanting this magical time of her sitting on my lap to end, I hear her tell me she REALLY wants me to pay the barfine and take her. I REALLY want to as well. However, despite the fact that she kept repeating, "I really like you. I want make you happy. Don't worry. If you are happy I am happy," the earlier episode with the freelancer told me this might turn out to be one of those nights. So I had to ask if that meant she would be ok to boom boom me no condom.
No way, no how, not tonight, not ever. And as she was about to launch into a safety lecture, I stopped her and said, "No problem, honey. Kow jai (I understand). I feel very safe about what I do but I know you must feel safe, too. So I cannot take you. But thank you for sitting with me anyway. Nice meeting you." I paid our drink bill, gave her a 100 baht note and left.
Then I capped this night off with a stop in Geisha Bar. I wasn't all that interested in what I was seeing on stage or sitting around on the stools. The girl I'd taken a couple of times in the previous weeks was not there. But after a few minutes sitting with my drink a fairly cute little spinner on stage I'd never seen before gestures to me, the only one among a couple of dozen girls there at 11pm who seemed to even notice me. So I chuckled and called her over. She is very fluent in English, energetic, wears big glasses and goes by the name Pim. As soon as her LD hits the counter she leans over and says, "I have been dancing for so long here night after night, I am very happy to finally sit down. But I should tell you I never go to hotel with customer for sex. No. Never. I only get Ladydrinks."
I should have called the server over and told her to take that drink off my bill right then and there. But for whatever reason I didn't. Maybe I was kind of gobsmacked that they wouldn't at least put these little scammers in different clothes or wear a different badge or something to identify them as no sex and only LD scammers on stage. Plus I guess I was kind of curious what kind of girl pulls that shit at a time when customer numbers are down by major percentages.
Anyway, within a minute or so, her "rest time" off the stage was over. I paid my bill, said bye to Pim and walked over to the mamasan. I asked her why there is no identification for the girls who only get LDs and never go to the hotel for sex with a customer. The mamasan seemed shocked that anyone would ask such a thing. "Up to girl!"
"Uh, I know it is up to the girl to decide if she wants to have sex with a customer. I'm talking about a girl who gestures to a customer for a drink, sits down and the instant her LD arrives she tells the customer she will not be leaving with him for sex. I didn't even talk to her about sex. Is this bar a scammer bar now?"
"Which girl!?"
"That one sitting on the stool in front of the stage. Pim."
Voice raised, not to the girl, to me, "Why you not ask if she goes to hotel for sex before you buy drink!??"
"Trust me, now that I know this is a scammer bar, I will ask every girl, IF I ever come in here again." As I turned and walked out of Geisha Bar Nana Plaza, the mamasan was still shouting something about this topic at me but I could not really hear through the loud music. However, I am pretty sure it wasn't anything like, oh, please don't go we have plenty of girls to take care of you.
I have been asked several times recently by guys who come to Bangkok often throughout the year but have not been able to make it happen for one reason or another during this coronavirus hysteria if the girls are working harder to please the few remaining customers, offering and providing more, cutting their asking prices and so on.
Well, they can assess what is in these reports on Thermae, the massage shops and my experience with a freelancer and two different go-go bars tonight in order judge for themselves if that is anywhere close to the way Thai people in the P4P industry deal with economic hard times. In my experience, offering and providing more while charging less is not the way Thai people in the P4P industry deal with economic hard times.
YMMV.
Wow, I spotted one of my long time repeat girls in this video: https://youtu.be/iwJlHVCr4Y4?t=120..
She is not the girl you guys are talking about, so it has no bearing on the conversation pro or con. I knew she moonlighted in Thermae occasionally with her girl friend. She has a day job as an Insurance Company rep girl and used to work at Baccara up until 2014 when she was younger and a lot sexier. I still see her semi-regularly, but not on account of the sex which has no surprises anymore, but because she is a good girl, has a kinky sense of humor, and because I just like her. Go figure.
BTW, I give her 4000bt whenever I see her. Not because that is her asking price. Her Thermae price is 2500 bt and that is probably negotiable. Ha Ha. But her original no negotiation price when I first met her in Baccara back in 2009 was 2000 baht and that was top dollar back then. In all this time she has never asked me for more. I give her 4000 because I know her rent is 4500/month including utilities and like I said, I just like her. Basically I am helping to support her by giving her half of year's rent. I guess that makes her my part time mistress. 555.Which girl is she? What time stamp on the video does she show up? Just curious on what your taste tend to go in girls. Personally, I like the girl at 2:51 of the video and another at 10:23.
Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.
Glasses, black-red striped pants, white top. https://youtu.be/e4IAhio45z4?t=116.
Was in cafe for almost an hour. Did not find anyone I liked. Girl from group behind bar asked me to come over to talk. She knew Japanese but not much English. Did not have much to talk about. Finally, decided to take her. Talked down to 2000. She said 30 minutes. Tomboyish personality. Fake hipster glasses which complimented longish face shape. Long eyelashes, pale skin. Crows feet around eyes, due to makeup probably. Said age 24, worked in sales during the day, which may explain her forwardness. Good report, thank you.
That girl looked more like 44 to me.
Steve 9696
02-18-20, 04:14
How is it that the guy who films these videos is always as if he is invisible? The girls don't even glance at him. It's the same when he's waking the streets.Thanks to whomever posted the videos. Thermae is not at all as I expected. For some reason I thought the girls would all be in cocktail dresses or the like. Like fishbowl girls. Surprised to see so many dressed casually or a bit frumpy in pants. Won't keep me from doing them! But thanks for the heads up to set expectations. 🙏.
How is it that the guy who films these videos is always as if he is invisible? The girls don't even glance at him. It's the same when he's waking the streets.These cameras can be as small as a bottle cap. The lens at least. In this case, it appears from the low, waist high angle that he put the camera in a fanny pack with a hole in it for the lens or perhaps even on or near his belt buckle. Nobody knows they're being caught on video.
She a working girl. What does she do? That's ridiculous. What do the guys who take her get for their 2500 Baht? She should go work at 7.
We should get a group together, say 5 or 6 of us, go into thermae 15 min apart, approach her and each ask her if she rims and takes it in the rice exit. That'd be a hoot.Those are all good questions. I have taken to directly asking lazy hookers why they are in the business if they never actually DO anything and say NO to almost anything a customer would actually want sexually.
Of course, it's hard to argue and shame a girl out of her chosen profession if she can make 2,000 - 4,000 baht, more than a week's pay, for doing almost nothing pro-actively in a hotel room for 30 minutes.
I was in Hillary 2 a few nights ago and minding my own business when two Thai ladies sat to each side of me at one of those round table tops. Shortly thereafter, this petite girl with honey colored hair wearing a cute sundress came over to talk to these women. I indicated to one of the ladies my interest in her friend and she immediately took the bait and curled up in my arms like a little kitten.
It was not my intention to pick up someone that night but decided to make an exception and after fifteen minutes of snuggling she proposed we go to my hotel. I am staying at an apartment but nevertheless took the bait and we made our way over to the apartment. At first, I was hoping she was a part time P4 P as I find they are the best of all worlds. However, as we were ambling up Soi 4, she said Hello, to some gal in front of 7/11 and wondered if I had misread the situation.
After our arrival at my apartment, I mentioned I was traveling to DaNang next week because my visa was expiring and would spend several days there. I could see her catch her breath for a second and then she told that she was from DaNang. I also caught my breath as I was not pleased to hear this. Last winter, I had two experiences with Vietnamese girls I met in Hillary 2 and one I kicked out of of the apartment before we even got going and the other I wish that I had.
Given she was already there, I decided to go ahead. She went in to shower and then I took mine. When I returned she was buried under the sheets, a bad sign if I ever saw one. To cut to the chase, after several minutes, I decided to cut short our encounter. It was like banging a dead fish and about as non erotic as could be. She would not kiss either. Even though I stayed hard, I lost interest due to her lackadaisical attitude and decided enough was enough.
I left 1500 b on top of her purse and was tempted to leave less as we never discussed money beforehand. True to form, she was clueless as how uninspired her performance was by attempting to give me a kiss on the forehead as she left. BTW, her name is Hien.
I had vowed last year to toss off any entreaties from Vietnamese girls in and around NaNa. Now, the three strike rule is solidly in effect. Unfortunately, I forgot to ask her nationality this time probably cause her friends appeared to be Thai and her girl next door attitude in the bar.
I had a dud session with a rather good-looking Vietnamese girl who was waiting across the street outside Nana Plaza. She indicated she was deaf, which I thought shouldn't be a problem. I don't know whether the poor performance was due to her deafness.
Those are all good questions. I have taken to directly asking lazy hookers why they are in the business if they never actually DO anything and say NO to almost anything a customer would actually want sexually.
Of course, it's hard to argue and shame a girl out of her chosen profession if she can make 2,000 - 4,000 baht, more than a week's pay, for doing almost nothing pro-actively in a hotel room for 30 minutes.Blame is 100% with the punters. Obviously there are guys that are accepting this and paying full price for it instead of kicking the gal out with a couple hundred Baht. Amazing that mongers get so little today and don't seem to care.
I had a dud session with a rather good-looking Vietnamese girl who was waiting across the street outside Nana Plaza. She indicated she was deaf, which I thought shouldn't be a problem. I don't know whether the poor performance was due to her deafness.I would say it was because she is from Vietnam. Plenty of reports on here about good experiences with deaf (Thai) girls. I would like to invite any readers to post your good experiences about Viet girls you met in Bangkok. Let's see if anyone has one.
Just for the record, I have been to Vietnam and had very nice experiences whilst there with the ladies.
I had a dud session with a rather good-looking Vietnamese girl who was waiting across the street outside Nana Plaza. She indicated she was deaf, which I thought shouldn't be a problem. I don't know whether the poor performance was due to her deafness.I've had three of the deaf girls who stand in front of Nana Hotel sign. One was a dud, one was kind of sweet but needs improvement, one was actually quite good. I took the one that was quite good twice several months ago but have not seen her out there since. She was one of the "deaf girls with hair braids" clones, some of whom are still standing there almost every night. But she was a bit older than the others. She had a nice, fit body and, wonder of wonders, understood how to create a good sex session. The other two are still working the area in the afternoons and evenings.
It is said, "A man falls in love with his eyes, a woman with her ears. " So you are dealing with a female who has not fallen in love with any man based on his voice, how he plays on her emotions with sweet talk, wooing her and so on. I am not saying deaf girls are incapable of those feelings by a long shot. But I have to say I got a cooler, less intimate feeling with those girls than most. Even with the quite good one in bed. I suppose the counterpart would be if you were blind from birth. Would you really be moved one way or the other by a woman's effort to make herself look nice for you on a date?
I had a dud session with a rather good-looking Vietnamese girl who was waiting across the street outside Nana Plaza. She indicated she was deaf, which I thought shouldn't be a problem. I don't know whether the poor performance was due to her deafness.I've had three of the deaf girls who stand in front of Nana Hotel sign. One was a dud, one was kind of sweet but needs improvement, one was actually quite good. I took the one that was quite good twice several months ago but have not seen her out there since. She was one of the "deaf girls with hair braids" clones, some of whom are still standing there almost every night. But she was a bit older than the others. She had a nice, fit body and, wonder of wonders, understood how to create a good sex session. The other two are still working the area in the afternoons and evenings.
It is said, "A man falls in love with his eyes, a woman with her ears." So you are dealing with a female who has not fallen in love with any man based on his voice, how he plays on her emotions with sweet talk, wooing her and so on. I am not saying deaf girls are incapable of those feelings by a long shot. But I have to say I got a cooler, less intimate feeling with those girls than most. Even with the quite good one in bed. I suppose the counterpart would be if you were blind from birth. Would you really be moved one way or the other by a woman's effort to make herself look nice for you on a date?
I've had three of the deaf girls who stand in front of Nana Hotel sign. One was a dud, one was kind of sweet but needs improvement, one was actually quite good. I took the one that was quite good twice several months ago but have not seen her out there since. She was one of the "deaf girls with hair braids" clones, some of whom are still standing there almost every night. But she was a bit older than the others. She had a nice, fit body and, wonder of wonders, understood how to create a good sex session. The other two are still working the area in the afternoons and evenings.
It is said, "A man falls in love with his eyes, a woman with her ears." So you are dealing with a female who has not fallen in love with any man based on his voice, how he plays on her emotions with sweet talk, wooing her and so on. I am not saying deaf girls are incapable of those feelings by a long shot. But I have to say I got a cooler, less intimate feeling with those girls than most. Even with the quite good one in bed. I suppose the counterpart would be if you were blind from birth. Would you really be moved one way or the other by a woman's effort to make herself look nice for you on a date?But the Chewbacca noises.
The Thermae video is a perfect illustration of why I leave alone 95% of the time. And how uninspiring in every way that place is.
I can't remember the last time I have seen anything remotely attractive on the street on Soi 4. It's not just the looks, it's also the obvious mercenary attitudes.
Nana also almost undoable these days. I had one place that I could rely on most of the time. That seems to have gone down the toilet.
So what's left?
If we want girls with decent service (even if mechanical) = nuru massages with good reviews.
Experienced sex = older escorts from agencies or smooci.
Normal massage non happy = health land.
Still good.
I wanted to try 2-3 girls from Billboard at Nana, but afraid of rumors they have post OP there. One of those gorgeous looking girls does not even seem Thai.
I've had phenomenal success wih Viets outside of Vietnam, but in Thailand I prefer the local dishes. My absolute best pay for play gal was a Viet in UAE, who sadly left the biz in exchange for an older farang who takes care of her elsewhere in SE Asia.
I would say it was because she is from Vietnam. Plenty of reports on here about good experiences with deaf (Thai) girls. I would like to invite any readers to post your good experiences about Viet girls you met in Bangkok. Let's see if anyone has one.
Just for the record, I have been to Vietnam and had very nice experiences whilst there with the ladies.
The Thermae video is a perfect illustration of why I leave alone 95% of the time. And how uninspiring in every way that place is.
I can't remember the last time I have seen anything remotely attractive on the street on Soi 4. It's not just the looks, it's also the obvious mercenary attitudes.
Nana also almost undoable these days. I had one place that I could rely on most of the time. That seems to have gone down the toilet.Every time I go to Thermae I am both nostalgic and infuriated. It was so fun 20 years ago. A party every night. Gals dancing, drinking, grabbing your crotch, all outgoing, and ready to get a customer. Asian customers have really changed the entire scene and Thermae is still the best example of how. We just want very different things from P4 P gals. And we westerners are never going to dominate the scene in Asia again. Of course I would put forth that very few places on the planet are better than they were 20 years ago when it comes to P4 P.
I would say it was because she is from Vietnam. Plenty of reports on here about good experiences with deaf (Thai) girls. I would like to invite any readers to post your good experiences about Viet girls you met in Bangkok. Let's see if anyone has one.
Just for the record, I have been to Vietnam and had very nice experiences whilst there with the ladies.I have had many memorable experiences with Viet girls. I also find them among the better eye candy in Asia.
My most recent experience with a Viet girl was in Bangkok. I liked that girl so much that I ended up seeing her every day while I was there. Other times, I met other Viet girls in Ho Chi Minh City, Singapore, and Macau.
But the Chewbacca noises.LOL. Yes, there were those in two of the cases. But not in the dud case. The dud was such a dud I didn't even get into her for her to start making any noises, if there were going to be any at all.
Asian Travels
02-19-20, 04:42
From DM walk out the front door and get on the #1 or #2 bus. I will take you direct to Mochit / Chatuchat 30 baht, with no stops and they use the Toll highway, where you can catch the MRT 35 baht direct to Sukumvit terminal. Or you can take from the same Mochit / Chatuchat stop, the BTS, 45 baht direct to Nana terminal at Soi 7/1. Get things done and reverse the travel back to DM.
Depends on the time of day for any travel in Bkk. If rush hour, forget it. Jerk off in the toilet. You do not have enough time during rush hours.
RL.Thanks for the tips.
If I had been able to drop my bag first I might have done the bus / BTS method.
I managed to get a nice 2 HR session at Tulip.
Five hours was all it took in all, but a lot of this is due to light Sunday night traffic (30 min each way using highway).
18:45 collect bag.
19:00 order grab.
19:15,grab calls, he is on wrong floor.
19:30 get into grab.
20:00 arrive Tulip.
21:50 leave Tulip.
Walk around a bit thinking of doing some shopping but nothing open.
22:15 taxi to airport (almost forgot to tell driver DMK).
22:45 arrive airport.
23:00 bag dropped.
23:15 through immigration and security.
23:25 at gate with an hour to spare before departure.
The Thermae video is a perfect illustration of why I leave alone 95% of the time. And how uninspiring in every way that place is.
I can't remember the last time I have seen anything remotely attractive on the street on Soi 4. It's not just the looks, it's also the obvious mercenary attitudes.
Nana also almost undoable these days. I had one place that I could rely on most of the time. That seems to have gone down the toilet.Wow, Catire, that's a pretty sweeping indictment of the single biggest P4P area of Bangkok; Nana Plaza, Soi 4, Sukhumvit including Thermae. However, I am not one of those to dismiss your observations and say you must be exaggerating or simply not looking in the right places. Nope. I have been there where you are in your observations and feelings often enough myself to know those impressions can indeed be legitimate. Especially about the repellent undisguised mercenary attitudes. I guess I'm fine with disguised mercenary attitudes if they're good at it. lol.
On the other hand, I still believe these things come and go in waves. As lousy as one night is for me, the next 2-3 more often than not produce fine experiences. It can even be bad for several nights in a row and good for only 1-2. LOL. I suppose that is where having a fairly extensive back up stable of regulars comes in handy. Even though that doesn't do it as well as having that new experience with a new girl.
Maybe my standards are lower in terms of looks than yours or others. I can usually find someone new and doable on any given night in those places if I really set out to have a session with a new girl. As long as they hit the bases on my 2-3 minimal requirements for a successful session and agree to them upfront. If not, it is easy enough for me to drop the whole idea of having a session that night and go back to my apartment with Netflix on the big flatscreen tv.
Expecting more than that in Thailand, let's say a wild PSE or a True GFE/Real Sex with a super hottie, is not really something I can plan on or demand or I will go a very, very, very long time between sessions. And that causes a downward spiraling effect I try to avoid. The less you fuck, the less you fuck. The more you fuck, the more you fuck. Therefore, sometimes I need to close one eye, sguint the other eye, ignore what I hear other than their upfront agreement to my minimal terms and forge ahead with a session just to keep the momentum going so I'll be on my game when the better deal comes along. Which it always does.
I have had many memorable experiences with Viet girls. I also find them among the better eye candy in Asia.
My most recent experience with a Viet girl was in Bangkok. I liked that girl so much that I ended up seeing her every day while I was there. Other times, I met other Viet girls in Ho Chi Minh City, Singapore, and Macau.I have met nice, sexy, and fun Vietnam girls in Macau (at the spa Familia Nobre) and also in Ho Chi Minh City and other areas of the country. However, in Bangkok, I have not. In fact, on all three occasions it has been an unmitigated disaster. You mention meeting this Vietnam girl in Bangkok but did you meet around NaNa or elsewhere?
................... Even though I stayed hard, I lost interest due to her lackadaisical attitude and decided enough was enough...................I have never had a session end with a hard dick unless the girl said enough was enough.
Was browsing some thermae videos on yt and found some familiar faces.
Dark dress in middle: https://youtu.be/PFwHuqbyABQ?t=109.
................I am hoping that these are not the top of the line beauties to be found in Bangkok now. When I was last in BKK in 2015 I regularly visited Nataree, the girls there were much younger and so much more beautiful.
Wow, Catire, that's a pretty sweeping indictment of the single biggest P4P area of Bangkok; Nana Plaza, Soi 4, Sukhumvit including Thermae
Yes, but I still manage to find something anyways. Now it's moved to online. Had even found a gem on Craigslist a while back.
I manage to still stumble into a diamond among the coals.
But my point was how it has really turned into a dump of coals.
And no. My tastes vis a vis a looks aren't particularly sky high. In fact, I often like plainer looking girls that other guys aren't interested in. One thing I've gotten better at with time and practice is with my "gut feel" though one can never truly know ahead of time.
The other thing I have learned about Thailand particularly is how for a better sexual experience, the thirty somethings might be the way to go (this is probably true not only in Thailand LOL) but I've been blown away by some of my sexcapades with older milfy Thai ladies who are already considered.
old and unappreciated in their own society, sometimes by tourists. But still have to eke out a living or earn money on the side.
I treat them right (and by this I mean not just monetarily) and almost anything I want they will "make for me" :D
Banana Boi
02-19-20, 18:49
I quickly scanned those Thermae videos and if I were not more experienced at Thermae I would say Thermae talent is way way down. Out of all those videos I quickly skimmed I really only saw 1 girl I would pursue. However, when I first saw those videos I knew the guy recording them must have been at Thermae early between 8:00 and 8:45 pm or so. This would account for the lack of talent and how few guys and girls in the bar. It's usually a lot of older pros early because they like to start before the hotter younger girls arrive. Two of my favorite girls don't even show up until well after 10:00 pm. My girl Rikar didn't arrive until after midnight!
Having said the above Thermae talent is way way way way down from the Good Old Days of 2016.
I have never had a session end with a hard dick unless the girl said enough was enough.Yes, and with her starfish attitude she was saying just that so I decided it was pointless to continue. I think that I was mere seconds away from her saying it hurt or are you finished et. Al.
CoconutWater89
02-21-20, 02:03
I would like to invite any readers to post your good experiences about Viet girls you met in Bangkok. Let's see if anyone has one.Posted about it a few pages back, but I had a fantastic experience with a Vietnamese girl outside of Nana. 2 k ST /6 LT. Ridiculous huge DD tits, thick, but reasonably small waist. Very well dressed also with some super sexy lingerie. Some of the Thai WG, even FLs who's living depends on it, just don't present themselves as well as they could. Like a quick trip to the mall and a few thousand baht on clothing / makeup / something besides grannie panties and they'd probably greatly improve their earnings. Viet girl was very pretty and would not look out of place in a high budget porn. Had some definite chemistry and she invited me to come with her to Vietnam right then after our 2nd session, as she was leaving for the new year. I didn't know her well enough at that point to do that, and she also unfortunately had the loosest vagina I've ever experienced and had never done A+.
Had a Chinese speaking Viet in China as well; also a fantastic experience and I did not even know she was Vietnamese until after the fact because her Chinese was pretty damn good.
And= 2, but both fantastic!
I like the layout of this place. The food is not bad either. Unfortunately, on my five or so visits up to now I have never seen more than 3 or 4 girls at lunchtime. By the way, any sightings of the African girls who used to sit at the intersection of Alley 7 and Sukhumvit Road? I checked at 10 pm yesterday and no one was there. Do they turn up later?
...You mention meeting this Vietnam girl in Bangkok but did you meet around NaNa or elsewhere?Yes, it was around Nana. I was alerted to the Viet ladies presence by EihTooms in one of his Bangkok post. A group of them stand across from one of the Hilary bars. I think it's Hilary 1. I liked the one I met, and may have even fallen in love with her. I practically wifed up with her the time I was there.
Yes, and with her starfish attitude she was saying just that so I decided it was pointless to continue. I think that I was mere seconds away from her saying it hurt or are you finished et. Al.When Asian girl says to me 'it hurts', I reply 'my wallet hurts', lets ease each others pain.
I am hoping that these are not the top of the line beauties to be found in Bangkok now. When I was last in BKK in 2015 I regularly visited Nataree, the girls there were much younger and so much more beautiful.They are not top of the line in Thermae, I spot a few girls that I could approach if I was there from his other video.
Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.
I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?
Crocodilexp
02-21-20, 20:18
Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.
I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?
Thailand has 35 confirmed cases, that's all we know for now. It doesn't take close contact to spread, sitting in the same bar should do the trick.
Plenty of other things spread with saliva, pussy juices and all. If you're paranoid about catching anything, this is the wrong hobby for you.
Not sure why single out freelancers, it's not like bargirls get daily coronavirus testing. I guess some people like to feel safe by drawing arbitrary and meaningless lines.
Personally, I don't think coronavirus is a concern for mongering at this point, you may well get it on the BTS.
Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.
I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.
I cruised through Thermae about 10:30PM last night and got the same cold shoulder from the best looking young girls in there that I was used to getting as a farang man pre corornavirus.
As I walked down Sukhumvit after leaving Thermae I got arm hooked by a new freelancer I had never seen before, attractive, about 30 years old, seemed to be desperate to convince me to please take her for ST. "Well, do you like to kiss on the lips?", I asked her after a short chat about names, where I stay and so on. Her beaming smile dropped and with a pained look on her face she said, "Oh, um, um, only a little bit." Bye. So much for any desperation to convince me to take her for ST. I didn't even bother to ask her about BBFS.
I had been pursued relentlessly by a kind of sexy girl who clicked Interested in me on a dating site who works in a massage shop in Bang Rak. So I finally went there yesterday afternoon to meet her, got a 30 minute head and shoulder massage. There was a lot of chemistry, she had a very nice touch, cute face and a great butt. I popped a boner just from the head and shoulder massage. I was interested in more later that night or any time, especially since she said they were getting so few customers lately. It was not possible to conduct a negotiation in her shop with all the other idle massage girls sitting there. In a Line chat right after I left the shop, while she was still in hot pursuit to meet me in my room for more later, I broached the topic of my need to have BBFS if there was going to be a pleasant ST or LT for me. As expected, her reply was essentially No Way, No How, Not Now, Not Ever.
I say "as expected" because that is the way it is with me and massage shop girls almost every time. But, like many fellow punters have asked me since the coronavirus hysteria hit and there has been a marked decrease in customer traffic, I thought conditions would be more conducive to getting more and better service from Thai P4P girls these days. Nope. Not in my case, at least.
In fact, I just set up a date for LT with a tried and true dependable regular for tonight, Saturday night, because I am not in the mood to joust with the No Way, No How, Not Now, Not Ever or the utterly incompetent sex worker crowd again tonight.
Oh, that reminds me, I did encounter a brand new (to me) FL on Sukhumvit Road as I was getting closer to my apartment after the hot, young but disinterested Thermae and the Non Kisser street girl tour. She was kind of cute, mid 20s, nice little body, speaks English fairly fluently. She walked past me and we both turned to give a second look. Quick chat. Yes to BBFS, no problem. 1,500 for LT. Seems it was love at first sight of me and my interest in giving her money for sex. Unfortunately, in the bed and at crunch time she was either too incompetent or adamantly opposed to the idea of reaching around to do a little slow and gentle ball tickling during fucking that I have found over the past 3-4 decades I need in order finish. As little as 2-3 minutes of it will do it for me once I have decided I want to finish. Very simple. But not for this girl. Who knows what the hell that was about. So I thanked her for her time, gave her 1,000 baht and off she went. I will not repeat.
Now, in her case, I didn't ask her about kissing on the lips beforehand. But it turned out she was very much into it. We engaged in DFK for what seemed like 15 minutes before the fucking began. Heavenly for me. I had a raging hardon from that, as always. Not that I need 15 minutes of DFK. 1-2 minutes of it is usually all it takes for me to get that raging hardon from it. This girl was really into it without my prompting. Still, her weird resistance to tickling my balls meant that raging hardon was not going to have a happy ending with this girl.
But if there was any chance of me getting the coronavirus from saliva and if this girl had it, I suppose I will know in a couple of weeks if I got it, too. Then again, maybe I've had it for a week already and gave it to her! Nobody knows. I'll be sure to post about it here. However, as Crocodilexp pointed out, I could just as well get it from inhaling next to a carrier on the BTS train. Or MRT. Or in a queue at a 7-11.
Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.Hello EihTooms,
I think you will have to wait two or three more months before the girls around Asia start to get really desperate and start to lower their prices and up their services. First the Chinese stopped coming. Now Koreans and Japanese have started to cancel en masse. Other Asians from other nearby countries are also starting to reconsider traveling. Europeans are less likely to come to Asia for their holidays later this year.
It will take a few more months but the dominoes are starting to fall slowly and this will accelerate in the coming months. If as a business or person you depend on income from tourism you will be in big trouble. Thailand and most SE and E Asian countries will have one of their worst years in a long time. It will be a buyers market in a few months.
Rather than replying to the previous posts I thought it better to start a new post and give you some of my experiences since the corona virus became an issue. Like EihTooms I haven't noticed any marked change from any of the girls I met. I have moved from shops and street freelancers to internet dating sites such as Tinder, WeChat and TF as I am finding better looking girls here. Over the past 2 months I hooked up with 6 different girls who I met this way.
2 that immediately declared themselves as FL.
2 that told me they had no job and asked for a financial contribution.
2 that had no financial expectations as they have their own business and just want a good time.
All of them arrived with face mask but once in my condo it was business as usual.
The first freelancer was a lady called Su Sue. She asked 2 K for 2 hours She usually works at one of the massage shops on Soi 22 but had contacted me via WeChat. Not the greatest looker but her service performance was outstanding. Her BBBJ technique was excellent with good suction. After DATY somehow the prepared condom was ignored and we went through the FS program with a COF finish.
The second FL was an Indonesian girl named Jessie with an incredibly hot body and like other Indos I have met an almost aggressive approach to sex. She was the total PSE program including anal and sandwich with toy. After 2 rounds I felt like I had been in a cage fight. She had asked for 3,5 K but was totally worth it. She had excellent English and loved to talk dirty. Unfortunately she left a few days later and I didn't get the chance to repeat. This girl I had also met via WeChat.
On TF I met a girl called Sunisa. Tiny girl about 38 kg. Age given as 35 but Probably older. She quoted 2 K ST and 3 K LT. Liked what I saw from the pictures and after chatting for a few days took the chance on LT at my condo. She was super excited about that and after a beer to relax her a bit she did everything possible to please me and all holes were available BBFS. She fell asleep with my dick in her mouth and woke me up next morning with a wonderful blowjob. I had assumed that she would be on her way after breakfast but somehow she made no attempts to leave and as it was a Sunday we went straight back to bed where we stayed for the rest of the day. She left Monday morning when I had to get ready for work. Gave her the agreed 3 K which she was happy with and asked when she could see me again. Subsequently she came back a couple of nights over the following weeks but I had to cut the cord since she was becoming clingy and suggested of moving in, haha.
On WeChat I met another girl called Wantika. Late twenties, bit of a mummy tummy but nice boobs and gives a great BBBJ. She is the "quicky" girl during lunch hour. She gets 1.5 K and we meet at a nearby curtain hotel close to my office. I think she also works in an office nearby because she is usually formally dressed when we meet. Condoms were used a few times to start with but afterwards got ignored. We usually end with CIM. Hinted that she would like to spend more time with me after work but I don't think so.
During CNY I met 2 ladies on Tinder that are totally non-commercial. I am not giving their names because of that and also I am interested in keeping both them for a longer time. Both of them have their own business. They are both in their mid-thirties.
One owns two hair salons, is also a Yoga teacher with and incredibly toned body. She lives a little outside of Bangkok and usually comes to pick me up in her car as she prefers that we go to her house and spend the night there. Never has been married and never had a baby. She horny as hell and has incredible stamina. As she works at the weekends we usually meet on her days off which requires a bit work scheduling for me but so far we managed to meet once a week. The only downside is her poor English which combined with my little Thai sounds like two 3 years olds having a conversation. But since we spend most of the time in the sack it hardly matters.
The other one has a small hotel in the outskirts. She is not fat at all but a bit on the plumper side (about 62 kg) But she has an amazing rack for a Thai with a firm 38 the cup. I think coming to my place is a mini holiday for her. She loves to cook for me and then have a long sex session. She told me she has been divorced for the past 2 years and since she has to run the hotel by herself doesn't get a lot of time to date and certainly never wants to be with another Thai man again. She has an eight year old son who stays with her and is looked after by her sister who jointly runs the hotel with her. During sex she comes with in the first 10 minutes and then gets off multiple times during the course of our session. I would say the ratio is 5:1 in her favor haha.
In summary, I have seen no difference in the mating behavior after Corona. Unfortunately I am going to the US for three month due to work commitment and dread the the dry months ahead of me.
She walked past me and we both turned to give a second look. Quick chat. Yes to BBFS, no problem. 1,500 for LT. Seems it was love at first sight of me and my interest in giving her money for sex. Unfortunately, in the bed and at crunch time she was either too incompetent or adamantly opposed to the idea of reaching around to do a little slow and gentle ball tickling during fucking that I have found over the past 3-4 decades I need in order finish. As little as 2-3 minutes of it will do it for me once I have decided I want to finish. Very simple. But not for this girl. Who knows what the hell that was about. So I thanked her for her time, gave her 1,000 baht and off she went. I will not repeat.Seems to me that Mr. Tooms moved the goal line here. On the street the girl agreed to his BBFS ask, and in the room she honored her commitment. But at that juncture he added a new term to the deal. When she demurred, he paid only two-thirds of the agreed amount and sent her packing.
I understand the concept that the customer is always right. As the transgender hooker in the movie classic "Risky Business" tells Joel Goodson: "I mean, when you put your good money down you got to get what you wanted in the first place. Know what I mean? When you buy a TV, you don't buy Sony if you want RCA."
But as the old saw reminds us, often the perfect is the enemy of the good. That is, I think, especially true in this pursuit of ours. I'm not telling anybody what to do. But if were me, I would have declared victory and enjoyed myself, even if I didn't get that last five percent performance.
Franciscass
02-22-20, 17:15
Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.
I cruised through Thermae about 10:30PM last night and got the same cold shoulder from the best looking young girls in there that I was used to getting as a farang man pre corornavirus.
As I walked down Sukhumvit after leaving Thermae I got arm hooked by a new freelancer I had never seen before, attractive, about 30 years old, seemed to be desperate to convince me to please take her for ST. "Well, do you like to kiss on the lips?", I asked her after a short chat about names, where I stay and so on. Her beaming smile dropped and with a pained look on her face she said, "Oh, um, um, only a little bit." Bye. So much for any desperation to convince me to take her for ST. I didn't even bother to ask her about BBFS.
I had been pursued relentlessly by a kind of sexy girl who clicked Interested in me on a dating site who works in a massage shop in Bang Rak. So I finally went there yesterday afternoon to meet her, got a 30 minute head and shoulder massage..We have our differences ET over unprotected sex but there is no denying the envy I feel for your drive and stamina. Even in my prime which was quite a while back I had no where near your zeal to get laid. On top I admire your ability to take rejection and disappointment in your stride and carry on regardless to get what you desire and may I say in all honestly just based on the effort alone you put into it what you deserve.
Thailand has 35 confirmed cases, that's all we know for now. It doesn't take close contact to spread, sitting in the same bar should do the trick.
Plenty of other things spread with saliva, pussy juices and all. If you're paranoid about catching anything, this is the wrong hobby for you.
Not sure why single out freelancers, it's not like bargirls get daily coronavirus testing. I guess some people like to feel safe by drawing arbitrary and meaningless lines.
Personally, I don't think coronavirus is a concern for mongering at this point, you may well get it on the BTS.I have a different opinion on this. Sitting in a bts with mask and kissing or licking pussy of a FL or hooker who might have had close contact with Chinese are two very different things. As long as you're not touching your nose-ear-mouth area (that's where a mask helps), and cleaning hands with sanitizer regularly, you'll be a lot safer. But fucking a hooker whose mainly clients are asians, not sounds so safe, I would either wait for 1-2 months or just go to Europe or Brazil for a while.
Seems to me that Mr. Tooms moved the goal line here. On the street the girl agreed to his BBFS ask, and in the room she honored her commitment. But at that juncture he added a new term to the deal. When she demurred, he paid only two-thirds of the agreed amount and sent her packing.
...I can see how someone would come to that conclusion based on what I wrote. Or, rather, what I forgot to write. It was such an episodic day and evening, one of the details of that particular episode that I intended to include but see now that I forgot to include was that it was her idea to convert our "1,500 baht for LT" agreement into a ST. After the sex, she took a shower and came out of the bathroom fully dressed and looking for her shoes. She had only been in my room about an hour. And she spent 10 minutes or so of that eating a bowl of sumtam I bought for her from a street vendor on the walk to my room.
So that is why I mentioned just giving her 1,000 baht and "off she went." But I would have concluded the same as you and felt the same way about it based on a detail that did not manage to move from my memory to my final report.
We have our differences ET over unprotected sex but there is no denying the envy I feel for your drive and stamina. Even in my prime which was quite a while back I had no where near your zeal to get laid. On top I admire your ability to take rejection and disappointment in your stride and carry on regardless to get what you desire and may I say in all honestly just based on the effort alone you put into it what you deserve.LOL. Well, thanks for that, Franciscass. I'll be 67 soon and I guess there is an element of wanting to get out there and do it while I still can. What have I got, maybe 10 regular mongering years left tops? And some of those will likely drop down to once a week instead of 4-5 times a week.
Now, an episodic day and night like the one I just reported on was not one of those times when I was driven to get laid my way come hell or high water, although I can see how it might read that way. If it had been I would have gone about things differently.
It was really just one of those days where I had nothing else to do so thought I would check out the massage shop girl's deal, then I happened to be walking past Thermae on my way back to my apartment later that night so I popped in just to watch the parade, then out on the street and oh, here's a new FL I'd never seen before grabbing my arm and so on.
I love times like that where it doesn't really matter how things turn out, not much money is on the line, just seeing if there is anything worth my time here and there. Of course, that is a luxury expats who live here can enjoy more than when you have spent serious money to fly here and back, rent a hotel room, devoted precious vacation days to it and all of that as most do.
Francesco24
02-23-20, 17:19
On TF I met a girl called Sunisa. Tiny girl about 38 kg. Age given as 35 but Probably older. She quoted 2 K ST and 3 K LT. Liked what I saw from the pictures and after chatting for a few days took the chance on LT at my condo. She was super excited about that and after a beer to relax her a bit she did everything possible to please me and all holes were available BBFS. She fell asleep with my dick in her mouth and woke me up next morning with a wonderful blowjob. I had assumed that she would be on her way after breakfast but somehow she made no attempts to leave and as it was a Sunday we went straight back to bed where we stayed for the rest of the day. She left Monday morning when I had to get ready for work. Gave her the agreed 3 K which she was happy with and asked when she could see me again. Subsequently she came back a couple of nights over the following weeks but I had to cut the cord since she was becoming clingy and suggested of moving in, haha.Hi,
Do you maybe know the TF username of this girl?
Thanks.
MichaelSamuel
02-23-20, 19:55
I love times like that where it doesn't really matter how things turn out, not much money is on the line, just seeing if there is anything worth my time here and there. Of course, that is a luxury expats who live here can enjoy more than when you have spent serious money to fly here and back, rent a hotel room, devoted precious vacation days to it and all of that as most do.You are spot on there, one of the big issues in the current environment is that at this price level and with time restraints it's much more difficult for tourists. Even at my level of 3-4 trips a year so around a 4-6 weeks in country total it's still difficult to give up those precious days with no action. I have my group of regulars but of course that pool needs constantly refreshed due to their disappearance or getting lazy and not performing. THe advantage however is that even on the duds in the recruitment process I still know tomorrow I can have a winner in one of my regulars. So far I haven't managed any regulars that didn't come out of gogos, which granted are my prime hunting ground so percentage wise that follows. However of all the thermae girls ever taken only 2 were repeats and neither worth a 3rd attempt. I have had some regular massage girls out of SW over the years and woodbar, but only regulars at the shop never outside. However at current prices you are committing on average 4 k each attempt (average of gogo ST, thermae, gogo LT, +drinks and assorted costs). That's not an inexpensive number when you may at best be getting 1/5 worth repeating. Don't get me wrong I fully concur with Goat that this is bad value for the same thai ass that used to go for 1 k, but coming even from an average sized US city where an hour GFE 1-2 shots is going to run $300 USD this is still more affordable and with many more options to shop from. To a degree the market is similar to when I lived in Vegas. A local can go to the casino and make his nut in 5 minutes and walk away cash in hand, but a tourist who wins in 5 minutes always ends up giving it back, they just don't have the option to wait until tomorrow and they end up back at the tables.
I am guilty as charged at not holding the girls up to higher standard and in all my years only kicked out 2 girls with 500-1 k baht after they total dissapointed. Problem is I am always on my precious vacation days and when I consider the greater loss its the time and not the money. I have improved over the years on refining selection and become a lot pickier so my success rate is higher but it is difficult to hold them to the standard I should.
MichaelSamuel
02-23-20, 20:08
Hello EihTooms,
I think you will have to wait two or three more months before the girls around Asia start to get really desperate and start to lower their prices and up their services. First the Chinese stopped coming. Now Koreans and Japanese have started to cancel en masse. Other Asians from other nearby countries are also starting to reconsider traveling. Europeans are less likely to come to Asia for their holidays later this year.
It will take a few more months but the dominoes are starting to fall slowly and this will accelerate in the coming months. If as a business or person you depend on income from tourism you will be in big trouble. Thailand and most SE and E Asian countries will have one of their worst years in a long time. It will be a buyers market in a few months.I am not sure it will get there in thailand. One of my most disappointing thai trips was shortly after the king passed. I hesitated on going but thought with all the earlier closures and tourist numbers down the supply and demand curves would work in my favor, total fail. Selection wasn't a problem at all, but there was movement at all on prices or service. In fact in a lot of ways I think it was worse since with the bars closing at midnight I was there at close and the girls wouldn't negotiate worth a shit, not even on 500 thb. Due to the shortened hours they pushed drinks heavy and then got all sorts of pushbacks, only ST, only NANA hotels, wouldn't come down from 3 k to 2500, list goes on. It was all in all just annoying and got on my nerves, probably went home alone more than any other trip. I think it was best explained as thai economics. Instead of the normal supply and demand curves as demand falls prices go up since the girl is only going to get 1 customer every 3-5 days instead of 1 every day and treats her pussy as a resource that is going to wear out and can be held for future use. We all know that age and that missed night is one less in their total working life to earn, but that just isn't the thai mindset.
Where I would expect to see it is in the part timers first since they are more tuned into earning now since it can't be earned tomorrow, so maybe the FL, wechat, and thermae part timers will see the opportunity first.
I am coming back and was wondering if anyone knows of any lactating or pregnant providers?
We all have our kinks.
I am not sure it will get there in thailand. One of my most disappointing thai trips was shortly after the king passed. I hesitated on going but thought with all the earlier closures and tourist numbers down the supply and demand curves would work in my favor, total fail. Selection wasn't a problem at all, but there was movement at all on prices or service. In fact in a lot of ways I think it was worse since with the bars closing at midnight I was there at close and the girls wouldn't negotiate worth a shit, not even on 500 thb. Due to the shortened hours they pushed drinks heavy and then got all sorts of pushbacks, only ST, only NANA hotels, wouldn't come down from 3 k to 2500, list goes on. It was all in all just annoying and got on my nerves, probably went home alone more than any other trip. I think it was best explained as thai economics. Instead of the normal supply and demand curves as demand falls prices go up since the girl is only going to get 1 customer every 3-5 days instead of 1 every day and treats her pussy as a resource that is going to wear out and can be held for future use. We all know that age and that missed night is one less in their total working life to earn, but that just isn't the thai mindset.
Where I would expect to see it is in the part timers first since they are more tuned into earning now since it can't be earned tomorrow, so maybe the FL, wechat, and thermae part timers will see the opportunity first.Interesting observation and I share it. I was here before and after the King died and I did not notice one iota of improvement in the Value For Money ratio while doom, gloom and lower punter traffic prevailed for many months, even years.
I sometimes seriously wonder if any but a tiny fraction of these girls are in the P4P business for the usual storied reasons of "desperation" for financial support, milk for their babies, get mom out of the hospital, blah, blah, blah. I don't mean anyone should ever have taken that crap literally. But even as a tale for them to tell as a substitute for any other serious reasons for going the P4P route, it just doesn't add up.
By now I have heard hundreds if not thousands of "I must have (fill in the baht amount here) tomorrow or I'll die! Please, can I come see you today??" stories and variations of them. I used to work out ways to help IF this and that happened with no greater rate of memorable success in the bed at crunch time than I get with the girls who are so busy with customers it takes days for them to return a Line message.
And, of course, now that I almost never respond to those pleas of "tomorrow I will die!" anymore, every one of those "desperate" girls, old repeats and new contacts alike, are still alive and kicking days later, no reports of their death, starved babies, moms prevented from leaving hospitals for lack of payment or anything of the kind. No, they show up again just as before, no change in their life or routine, seemingly well fed and taken care of and no memory of me having casually chosen their death over seeing them for a P4P fuck and suck several days earlier.
Maybe this time it will be different. Eventually. But I am not planning on it and would honestly be shocked if it was.
The only difference I have seen or noticed so far after a few weeks of coronavirus hysteria downturn is Thai street girls bothering to engage in conversation a tad longer than usual with certain heretofore ethnic undesirables to them and a slight uptick in the number of "Hi. How are you?" Line messages I'm getting from my regulars.
But in no case in my experience at least are agreements to do more, do better and/or for less money being made either on the street, in the bars or among my regulars. Not in Thailand, that is. Not yet anyway.
Speaking of Thermae, was there tonight around closing time. It was quite dead.
Was fortunate enough to see my one girl in her usual spot at the usual time.
We went out, caught up on missed times, grabbed some food on the street, came back to room, talked some more.
And then she did what she does so well, which is taking care of little Catire.
Also told me some fascinating stories about her Japanese and Korean clientele, as I am her only farang.
The stories are quite interesting. E. g. Difference between generations. Difference between Korean and Japanese customers.
Oh and BTW. Japanese schlongs are apparently bigger these days.
Member #4698
02-24-20, 02:12
Not in Thailand, that is. Not yet anyway.Right, but for prices to fall significantly a lot more would have to occur. For example: the pandemic doomsday scenario in which hundreds of thousands if not millions die would certainly be enough to affect price and attitudes in an eventually very positive and significant way from the surviving consumer's point of view. The aftermath of WW II is a perfect example. Berlin Pussy in the summer of 1945 was equal to the price of a Hershey's chocolate bar, but it took the total destruction of the Third Reich and 60 million dead in Europe to get there. So far with only 79,000 reported cases and 2,470 deaths, the vast majority in China; the Bat Virus is small potatoes compared to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 which infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims. I post these historical facts only to give the current situation a little perspective. Sure, there is some softening demand in Thailand for hotel rooms and pussy, I have seen some deals on the hotel reservation sites and it is interesting to note which hotels are offering the discounts like the Grande Center Point T21 which usually has a great many Chinese and Korean guests and which hotels are not offering any significant discounts like the nearby Hyatt Regency.
All I am saying is that while the Coronavirus is real and commands our serious attention, it is not a disaster or pandemic yet for any country except maybe China. For sure it has affected international travel, but not to the point where we are going to see a huge drop in the price of BKK girls. At least not yet. So far there has only been 35 reported cases in Thailand and no new cases in at least a week or 10 days which is pretty damn good news actually. So I think what you might see right now is more, better availability not doom and gloom. Hey guys on the ground: how busy are the Go Go's and FL nightclubs currently? Full, busy but not full, half empty, or empty. From what my girls are telling me, I believe the Go Go's are somewhat busy, but not anywhere close to full capacity. Kind of like low season.
In any case, let's see how this thing plays out. If the virus starts to multiply exponentially, BKK will become a ghost town and more significantly the Government will close it down. The girls will be afraid to go out to the bars and so will we. But, I think we are a long way off from that. Anyway, I have my fingers crossed and We shall see what we shall see.
Franciscass
02-24-20, 03:11
Girls know the price level to pitch to get business for example i2500 at Thermae. I know I know you can negotiate but that's the going rate. So what happens when because there are fewer punters to go around more girls are going home empty handed more often. Do they stick to the 2500 until things get back to normal or do a sufficient number break ranks and reduce it to say 2000 or even 1500 to hook a trick? I feel it comes down to how badly they need the money. If the rent is overdue will she turn down 1500 knowing only the more in demand girls can score at 2500. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Another facet of the situation is whether service levels will improve when there are fewer customers in that the girls will realize repeat business becomes more important. As an aside we haven't seen the worst of this virus yet. Over the weekend South Korea Italy and the UK have come into play in a major way. Personally while I don't wear a mask I have never washed my hands more often.
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Hey guys on the ground: how busy are the Go Go's and FL nightclubs currently? Full, busy but not full, half empty, or empty. From what my girls are telling me, I believe the Go Go's are somewhat busy, but not anywhere close to full capacity. Kind of like low season.
...Regarding the go-go bar scene, as of this past weekend your girls' assessment is the same as my assessment. Lately, I have gone into Billboard, Butterflies, Geisha Bar, Mandarin, Angelwitch, Kazy Kozy, Tilac, Baccara and several beer bars as well and typical low season is about right.
I would also say I have not felt any more welcome, needed, catered to, noticed or flirted with than usual by the girls working in the bars. If the prospect of unpaid rent or empty rice bowls is hanging like a dark cloud over their heads I saw no evidence of concern about it in their eyes or behavior.
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The stories are quite interesting. E. g. Difference between generations. Difference between Korean and Japanese customers.
Oh and BTW. Japanese schlongs are apparently bigger these days.Oh, that's probably the result of price inflation over the years. As a matter of basic economic principles it had to go from 3-3-3 to 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 eventually. 😁
I'll bet they're taking longer to finish, too, right?
Oh, that's probably the result of price inflation over the years. As a matter of basic economic principles it had to go from 3-3-3 to 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 eventually. 😁
I'll bet they're taking longer to finish, too, right?Well, since they are harmless and just one woman's opinion or personal experience I'll share what she said. BTW, don't kill the messenger, I have no skin in the game.
First she said she will not go with any old Korean or Japanese man (which she defines as over 60). I asked why. She said it is because that generation of men treats women like shit. And will do "whatever they want with / to them". The younger and middle aged men aren't like that (I found this a very interesting, and probably truthful, in a generalizing kind of way, anecdote).
She said she prefers Koreans as customers because they are straightforward. They don't like you, they don't like you whereas a Japanese will tell you "you are beautiful, gorgeous, etc all the while having no intent to take the girl" . This jives with my own knowledge of the culture in the two countries. Japanese are impeccably polite and stridently avoid saying "no", while all the while meaning to tell you no. You have to know how they play the game to pic up on the cues. Koreans indeed aren't like that, they will be upfront.
She also likes Koreans because once they are done they roll over and go to sleep and don't bother you. (apparently from LT episodes) whereas many Japanese will caress her, rub her nipples, pussy, etc non stop until she literally gets sore LOL. (I told her, hey, men can be fascinated by female bodies, etc) and the Japanese will try whisper "sweet nothings" into her ear. Or lick her all over by the ears (by itself not that disgusting, often nice IMO< but she said often too much saliva. Gross) (and she mentioned old men's saliva often stinks. I mentioned it had to be halitocis).
The Japanese also seem to have quite the fascination with "accessories" . Dildos, plugs, you name it and want to use them on her. Which annoys her or she refuses because she has her own toys and knows her own body and can get herself off if / when she wants to.
And apparently Japanese tools are getting bigger / longer these days, while the Korean ones remain umm. "lagging".
No mention of Chinese, perhaps she doesn't go with them or very rarely.
She's MILF age now, and has a kid, but that pussy is so goddamn tight. Our reproductive organs seem to "fit" each other well and enjoy each other's company. So whereas she may be happy when another guy is done in 30 secs, she won't let me stop until she has come (especially once she; s close, then it's a real battle, as she goes crazy with her thrusting and licking, making it very difficult for me to hold off myself).
So for me, a Thermae gold mine, for almost everyone else, perhaps a pleasant experience at best. (and I am sure it would be vice versa, your pornstar might be my dud. Just goes to show you how YMMV).
Re taking longer to finish. Apparently with a significant percentage of customers it's "finish right away" . Which causes them to sheepishly apologize, and explain that they had not had sex in a long time. I told her about the stories of sexless marriages and relationships that I read all about in Japan these days, though an Asian friend strenuously disagrees with those stories, etc.
Franciscass
02-24-20, 11:56
With the shellacking the markets took today even the high rollers might be keeping their wallets in their pockets this evening and visiting Mrs. Palm and her five fingers instead.
Coronavirus has certainly brought down the number of tourists and mongers by perhaps as much as 50% but neither the prices nor anything else has dropped. Hotels and girls still want same amount.
However what shocked me this time was the near complete disappearance of free lancers on Sukumvit road. I always loved to pick one or two girls from there but it was unbelievable this time. There were no more than 10 fuglies between asok and nana. That's it.
Just 10. I noticed decline from 200-300 to 1 bout 50-60 but ten? Nana area had some concentration of WGs around 9-10 pm, about 30-40 may be on.
Thursday but surprisingly numbers were down dramatically on Fri. And sat night. Beer garden was hopeless, tried several times. There were a total of two girls in front of grace hotel when I checked late in the evening. Good lord, what has happened to this place.
This is the first time I have to admit that I don't see any point in traveling to the other side of the world if this is what \Bangkok is going to become. I was extremely disappointed. Pattaya was much better and the saving grace.
Coronavirus has certainly brought down the number of tourists and mongers by perhaps as much as 50% but neither the prices nor anything else has dropped. Hotels and girls still want same amount.
However what shocked me this time was the near complete disappearance of free lancers on Sukumvit road. I always loved to pick one or two girls from there but it was unbelievable this time. There were no more than 10 fuglies between asok and nana. That's it.
Just 10. I noticed decline from 200-300 to 1 bout 50-60 but ten? Nana area had some concentration of WGs around 9-10 pm, about 30-40 may be on.
Thursday but surprisingly numbers were down dramatically on Fri. And sat night. Beer garden was hopeless, tried several times. There were a total of two girls in front of grace hotel when I checked late in the evening. Good lord, what has happened to this place.
This is the first time I have to admit that I don't see any point in traveling to the other side of the world if this is what \Bangkok is going to become. I was extremely disappointed. Pattaya was much better and the saving grace.My hotel price was definitely down a bit. And I believe my airfare was a little lower as well which is what made it an easy decision to come when afforded the opportunity.
As to how Thai working girls and business establishments, especially ones related to P4 P (cannot comment on streetwalkers) react to dips in demand, you have not been reading about Thailand for long enough to have learned the old adage "T. I. T" (This is Thailand) which teaches the readers that the Thai concept of logic on how to react with lower demand doesn't correlate with what they teach you in Econ 101.
https://coconuts.co/bangkok/features/night-prowl-legendary-lechery-bernard-nite-owl-trink/
Coronavirus has certainly brought down the number of tourists and mongers by perhaps as much as 50% but neither the prices nor anything else has dropped. Hotels and girls still want same amount.
However what shocked me this time was the near complete disappearance of free lancers on Sukumvit road. I always loved to pick one or two girls from there but it was unbelievable this time. There were no more than 10 fuglies between asok and nana. That's it.
Just 10. I noticed decline from 200-300 to 1 bout 50-60 but ten? Nana area had some concentration of WGs around 9-10 pm, about 30-40 may be on.
Thursday but surprisingly numbers were down dramatically on Fri. And sat night. Beer garden was hopeless, tried several times. There were a total of two girls in front of grace hotel when I checked late in the evening. Good lord, what has happened to this place.
This is the first time I have to admit that I don't see any point in traveling to the other side of the world if this is what \Bangkok is going to become. I was extremely disappointed. Pattaya was much better and the saving grace.Street action has been reduced lately for sure. Two nights ago about 8:30 pm I saw no Vietnamese girls or more than 2-3 Thai girls on Soi 4 in front of Hillary 1 bar.
On the other hand, contrary to some reports, on my visit to Thermae last Friday or Saturday night (I forget which now) about 10:30 pm, the place was packed with girls and the usual mostly Asian customers.
One other observation: I still see the same 8-10 girls standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign that we have all seen standing there afternoon and evenings for the past few years. They must come in contact with more tourists and expats, intimately and just close enough to be touched and breathed on than healthcare workers come in contact with demonstrably sick patients.
Yet, there they are day after day, night after night, hail, hearty, healthy, smiling and reaching out to passersby same as always.
Empirical evidence that the risk in this environment is less than most think? Are these little troupers our inadvertent canaries in the coal mine? Time will tell.
Oh and BTW. Japanese schlongs are apparently bigger these days.If that's true, they don't have those guys starring in their pornos. I watch Japanese porn a lot. The dudes have tiny dicks.
Banana Boi
02-25-20, 04:43
Not only Asians spreading the germs. Looks like Iran is spreading the virus. "Canada, Lebanon, and today also Kuwait, Oman, and Iraq, have all confirmed cases of travelers from Iran. " There have been reports of Iran having over 50 deaths but the country says it's only 12 to date. AFAIK lots of Iranians go to Thailand.
Italy has also passed all the Asian countries with cases, other than China and South Korea.
Most importantly, the Thailand Tourism Minister said there will be no more virus after Songkran as the hot weather will blow the virus away.
If that's true, they don't have those guys starring in their pornos. I watch Japanese porn a lot. The dudes have tiny dicks.Perhaps the Japanese have other qualities in mind when choosing porn cocks beyond just size? Aesthetics, symmetry, etc? .
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Hi,
Do you maybe know the TF username of this girl?
Thanks.I think it is Sunisa. She is also on Tinder under the same name. On TF she was wearing a leopard print dress in the photo. Cute face with long straight black hair.
Most importantly, the Thailand Tourism Minister said there will be no more virus after Songkran as the hot weather will blow the virus away.Glad he is not the Minister of Health.
Perhaps the Japanese have other qualities in mind when choosing porn cocks beyond just size? Aesthetics, symmetry, etc? .
.Actually it is only American girls that like big dicks and possibly Brazilians. Asian girls surely prefer smaller peckers. The smaller the better.
Actually it is only American girls that like big dicks and possibly Brazilians. Asian girls surely prefer smaller peckers. The smaller the better.Vast generalization. There are "size queens" all over, perhaps it's more prevalent among African American women (though I am risking another generalization. But huge schlongs are a signature of Brazilian porn too.
I think women like schlongs that feel "full" to them but not overly so, and certainly none that are painful.
My Thermae girl says my dick is "big" and and I can tell really enjoys how it fills her out, but here's the thing, I am not the slightest bit big, I'm below average. Perhaps it's a slightly bit thicker than "average" hence that's why she has that sensation and is into it. But she also's also quite tight.
btw.. re porn schlongs.. porn is overwhelmingly made for and watched by males. Interesting how American, Brazilian, Russian and Italian/French productions seem particularly fixated on size :D
John Clayton
02-26-20, 02:23
...Asian girls surely prefer smaller peckers. The smaller the better.Is bullshit. Maybe asian prostitutes like small dicks = less work, but otherwise...
Is bullshit. Maybe asian prostitutes like small dicks = less work, but otherwise...Agreed. It's about less work. And less wear and tear. If they are with someone they want to be with and like sex, they are not going to be happy with a 5 inch schlong. Most Thai p4p workers these days don't enjoy sex with their customers. Thailand is a very conservative country when it comes to modesty and sex. Being in any way sexual or slutty and you are ostracized. It seems to be far more so now than 20 years ago.
Is bullshit. Maybe asian prostitutes like small dicks = less work, but otherwise...Asian girls like smaller, strong dicks. They always complain about big dicks. I am talking about normal girls. Quite a few bleed because whoever opened their hymen did not open fully and big dick hurts them. These are the common complaints. I lost count of how many times I have explained to the girls next morning after all night fucking why they are bleeding. So I pack lubricant all the time.
Once they have a kid or two they are comfortable with big dicks.
But keeping a normal girl without kids and planning to fuck her lots of times for a few days is a problem. Their pussies gets really sore. They start crying. It is not fun anymore. So maximum I keep them is for 2-3 days.
I think the problem is us. We are on vacation and want to have sex with these girls all the time. With limited time we want the bang for our bucks. This creates the problem with young, slim, small pussy girls.
Perhaps the Japanese have other qualities in mind when choosing porn cocks beyond just size? Aesthetics, symmetry, etc?.I doubt it. Those are some of the ugliest dudes I've ever seen.
Hi,
I am interested in Indian Ladys.
I did read anywhere that there is one place with Indian Ladys.
Can anybody help please.
Thanks.
Agreed. It's about less work. And less wear and tear. If they are with someone they want to be with and like sex, they are not going to be happy with a 5 inch schlong. Most Thai p4p workers these days don't enjoy sex with their customers. Thailand is a very conservative country when it comes to modesty and sex. Being in any way sexual or slutty and you are ostracized. It seems to be far more so now than 20 years ago.This is perfectly logical. You have a monetized commodity which you are selling, you want to keep it in best shape and best utility for the longest possible time, ergo, limited wear and tear and full condom protection.
And yes. I would bet most Thai p4 p workers don't enjoy with their customers. Not sure if that's even "these days" . It has probably always been this way.
BUT. A big responsibility in this instance falls back on the monger (s) . For all the talk of a pure economic / commodity exchange, the willing giving of pussy / body is a deeply personal act, sometimes fraught with feelings (unless girl is horny to begin with and then drunk) . You can blame society or religion, etc etc for this but that's how it is for women. For (most) guys it's stick a dick in a hole and release.
I've been able to have really nice sessions with girls by taking my time, letting her feel comfortable. And of course it gets much better with repeat sessions. Some girls will block such attempt no matter what you do, it's risk that goes with the territory.
I do much better in terms of quality of sessions I get now in Thailand than I did back in the day when things were supposedly "better". Certainly cheaper. Maybe it's just me learning the ropes so to speak.
If the girl is horny and likes you and likes to fuck (and a surprising amount of Thai girls do like to fuck I have learned. There is none of this Western religious / societal stigma bullshit) she will like your 5 inches too. That's slightly less than the global average. How big do you think their husband's or BF's dicks are? Just be able to get / stay hard and know how to use it.
If the girl is horny and likes you and likes to fuck (and a surprising amount of Thai girls do like to fuck I have learned. There is none of this Western religious / societal stigma bullshit) she will like your 5 inches too. That's slightly less than the global average. How big do you think their husband's or BF's dicks are? Just be able to get / stay hard and know how to use it.I'm seeing a late 40's bored this lady who is married with two adult children and hopeless thai husband. We fuck every time I see her. No money exchanged. When we fuck, It feels like she's never had a non thai cock in her because my six inches feel like they're going to be snapped off when I get inside her. Cannot possibly fit or stretch. It physically hurts me and her when we meet up after a long time. Yet She cannot stop herself from fucking me, there is an instance bordering sex pest and despite her endless claims of too big too big she has no trouble self lubricating and fucking me senseless.
.............btw.. re porn schlongs.. porn is overwhelmingly made for and watched by males...................I would not say overwhelmingly, data from Pornhub finds that 24 percent of their worldwide visitors are women.
MutantChicken
02-26-20, 16:26
I'm seeing a late 40's bored this lady who is married with two adult children and hopeless thai husband. We fuck every time I see her. No money exchanged. When we fuck, It feels like she's never had a non thai cock in her because my six inches feel like they're going to be snapped off when I get inside her. Cannot possibly fit or stretch. It physically hurts me and her when we meet up after a long time. Yet She cannot stop herself from fucking me, there is an instance bordering sex pest and despite her endless claims of too big too big she has no trouble self lubricating and fucking me senseless.Men can be divided into two groups, 1, who can will themselves to fuck a 40's married with 2 adult kid woman, who either actually pays for it or who prides themselves for not having to pay for it or 2. Men that expect such 40 yr old women to actually pay the man.
I suppose that's why even PagPag can be sold in the Philippines.
I would not say overwhelmingly, data from Pornhub finds that 24 percent of their worldwide visitors are women.I go to KTV and usually take out one and sometimes two. When I leave my hotel room, I have already hooked up my porn to the TV. I turn it on and leave it play will I am out (create a playlist). That way when I return it is playing and I don't have to fool with getting it started. Some girls really get into it and some don't. I have found it's about 50/50. The more fun girls get into it and are quite wet by the time we have watched and had a couple drinks. Several even have started with a great BJ while watching. Arranging themselves some they could watch while performing.
Vast generalization. There are "size queens" all over, perhaps it's more prevalent among African American women (though I am risking another generalization. But huge schlongs are a signature of Brazilian porn too.
I think women like schlongs that feel "full" to them but not overly so, and certainly none that are painful.
My Thermae girl says my dick is "big" and and I can tell really enjoys how it fills her out, but here's the thing, I am not the slightest bit big, I'm below average. Perhaps it's a slightly bit thicker than "average" hence that's why she has that sensation and is into it. But she also's also quite tight.
btw.. re porn schlongs.. porn is overwhelmingly made for and watched by males. Interesting how American, Brazilian, Russian and Italian/French productions seem particularly fixated on size :DMy experience in this area is that a longer relationship helps and foreplay of all kinds is really appreciated. Personally I enjoy the girl getting off several times even if occasionally it gets a bit loud. I have only had one Romanian girl and as I am not huge it felt like I was dropping my dick in a large bucket. While a beautiful girl, I felt she could have handled anything I have ever seen in porn video, maybe even two at the same time, but was no pleasure for me.
I go to KTV and usually take out one and sometimes two. When I leave my hotel room, I have already hooked up my porn to the TV. I turn it on and leave it play will I am out (create a playlist). That way when I return it is playing and I don't have to fool with getting it started. Some girls really get into it and some don't. I have found it's about 50/50. The more fun girls get into it and are quite wet by the time we have watched and had a couple drinks. Several even have started with a great BJ while watching. Arranging themselves some they could watch while performing.I remember in the early 1980's I had a girl over to my apartment. I brought out some wine and slapped in a porn video. About half an hour later when we got up the whole half of the loveseat where she was seated was drenched. She was embarrassed.
Men can be divided into two groups, 1, who can will themselves to fuck a 40's married with 2 adult kid woman, who either actually pays for it or who prides themselves for not having to pay for it or 2. Men that expect such 40 yr old women to actually pay the man.
I suppose that's why even PagPag can be sold in the Philippines.Thank you for your contribution. Quite valuable insight into your world. Got anything to share about asian women or is it only good for hating on others. As someone who prefers older women you can have all the vacouos eighteen year Olds you want.
Speaking of porn on TV, I specially carried an HDMI cable during recent trip but both hotels I stayed in had stupid RCA connections only.
Pathetic.
Or Should I carry all in one connection cable next time?
Just want to say Hi and will be joining your area very soon. I'll be reading in the comments to see what I can find. Thanks for all the contributions!
MagicSheep74
02-27-20, 23:52
I clearly remember picking up this extremely hot, but equally arrogant Thai girl in Spasso some years ago. After taking a shower I came out of the bathroom naked, to find her lying waiting on the bed.
She look down at my pork sword and said ' Who do you think you're going to please with that?
My answer was simple. ME.
Cheers MS.
Member #4673
02-28-20, 01:42
I arrived yesterday and this place is over, dead no girls its actually transformed to a tourist place that comes to look. They selling trinks in this place now instead of drinks and sex combination. Nearly zero girls but lets be honest who will come in 2020 to dance on a pole and fuck old man.
I am visiting Thailand for 32 years and living in Pattaya in the last 4 years the all sex industry is dead. However I got a super sexy girl from the street opposite Nana city hotel for 700 bht instead of 1200 bht. I took her Line so next time I will pay 500. Even the hotel upgrade my room at the same price of standard room. Definitely Corona Virus panic has it own advantages.
Also took a tour from nana to asok this transformed to ladyboy dream as a result of lack of girls. Just came from phenom penh Cambodia and there is no comparison, I love to be a tourist in Bangkok so sweet.
Nighttime Sukhumvit Soi 4 is active but Bangkok daytime is dead no one hang around as far as I saw and the Airport is empty. So if you find a girl she will come at nearly any price if you stand your ground and ready to walk away but lets wait to see my second day thoughts.
Speaking of street action. There still appears to be a fair amount on Soi 11. (which is tourist ground zero).
And now that they have remade a part of the soi into a bunch of food courts / and bars, there are girls around those establishments as well.
I am visiting Thailand for 32 years and living in Pattaya in the last 4 years the all sex industry is dead.I can't help but chuckle and think about 15 years back when all the usual sexpats were saying that Thailand was going to kill its tourism industry by going more "family friendly", etc.
Today, prior to coronavirus scare, tourism has grown by leaps and bounds, most of it "family friendly" and yes no one really wants to fuck an old man with big beer belly and white hairs on his balls.
But such is life. The quantity of 'Mongering' action is always a one way trend in any country. Down. (unless you have a one in a 50 year economic change/catastrophe, etc such as in Venezuela.)
C'est la vie.
Nighttime Sukhumvit Soi 4 is active but Bangkok daytime is dead no one hang around as far as I sawI just spent 3 weeks in Bangkok staying at a Sukhumvit soi 4 hotel. After reading your report I decided to quote the only part I can readily agree with. The rest IMO is not representative of the current conditions on the ground. YMMV of course, just trying to keep the intel real for those who rely on it.
SL.
I arrived yesterday and this place is over, dead no girls its actually transformed to a tourist place that comes to look.You sure you were in nana plaza cause I swear I saw at least 500 girls there in the gogo bars. Also yesterday.
Also at least 50 freelancers outside at 9:30.
I do say that the prices have rocketed since a year ago. 1 k barfine 2500 short time for the gogo's its getting a bit ridiculous.
I am visiting Thailand for 32 years and living in Pattaya in the last 4 years the all sex industry is dead.Don't know what you do when you're in Pattaya or what you've done in Thailand for 32 years but the sex industry was clearly far from being dead a few month ago, especially in Bangkok or Pattaya.
However I got a super sexy girl from the street opposite Nana city hotel for 700 bht instead of 1200 bht. I took her Line so next time I will pay 500.Let's face reality. If she came for 700 baht it's probably because she doesn't look so sexy to most other mongers. Especially if she agreed for 500 next time.
Or second option is that maybe she is a he.
took a tour from nana to asok this transformed to ladyboy dream as a result of lack of girls. Just came from phenom penh Cambodia and there is no comparison, I love to be a tourist in Bangkok so sweet.Don't know what to think of that. PP was better than Bkk? You've got a lot more options in Bkk.
Nighttime Sukhumvit Soi 4 is active but Bangkok daytime is dead no one hang around as far as I saw
I just spent 3 weeks in Bangkok staying at a Sukhumvit soi 4 hotel. After reading your report I decided to quote the only part I can readily agree with. The rest IMO is not representative of the current conditions on the ground. YMMV of course, just trying to keep the intel real for those who rely on it.
SL.+1 agree.
Nothing else in that report bore any resemblance to what I see and experience every night in that area. Last night around 10pm Soi 4 was packed with girls, many better looking than the usual level of attractiveness for that stroll in the last couple of years. And also packed with tourists, punters.
I did not happen to go into Nana Plaza last night but I would be quite surprised if there were no girls working in the go-go bars then. There sure were hundreds of them in those bars 2-3 nights earlier. And I got Line calls from two very tasty cute 21 and 22 year old dancers from those bars after they closed, around 2:45am, wanting to come over for LT sans barfine, LDs, etc. I didn't think to ask, but I assume they were working in their bars right up until that hour of the night. And not alone.
Last weekend Thermae was packed with girls and customers. Not as packed as I have seen it in the past few months, but there were few places to stop and scan the crowd without being shoulder to shoulder with other people. I will pass through there tonight, so maybe there has been a huge drop in the crowd numbers just this past week.
Of course, these things, our observations on the ground, can and do often change from night to night, hour to hour.
Yes, as always, YMMV
+1 agree.
Nothing else in that report bore any resemblance to what I see and experience every night in that area. Last night around 10pm Soi 4 was packed with girls, many better looking than the usual level of attractiveness for that stroll in the last couple of years. And also packed with tourists, punters.
I did not happen to go into Nana Plaza last night but I would be quite surprised if there were no girls working in the go-go bars then. There sure were hundreds of them in those bars 2-3 nights earlier. And I got Line calls from two very tasty cute 21 and 22 year old dancers from those bars after they closed, around 2:45am, wanting to come over for LT sans barfine, LDs, etc. I didn't think to ask, but I assume they were working in their bars right up until that hour of the night. And not alone.
Last weekend Thermae was packed with girls and customers. Not as packed as I have seen it in the past few months, but there were few places to stop and scan the crowd without being shoulder to shoulder with other people. I will pass through there tonight, so maybe there has been a huge drop in the crowd numbers just this past week.
Of course, these things, our observations on the ground, can and do often change from night to night, hour to hour.
Yes, as always, YMMVGenerally agree based on my observations as well. My Thermae comment / report was on a Sunday night (always a slow night) and right around closing time. When I walked past it a bit earlier on a Tue or something like that. It seemed to have decent foot traffic of girls and Asian customers in and out.
Member #4698
02-28-20, 14:59
I wish I was in BKK right now. The hyperbole and fear mongering of the situation from the Western Media is simply amazing, but then again it is par for the course and to be expected from these brain dead, overpayed, ass clowns. The truth is the Bat Flu doesn't seem to like the heat. The other truth is the Bat Flu disproportionately attacks and does severe harm to the elderly and people with preexisting health conditions. For strong, active, healthy persons like us sex fanatics it's affects are much less. I still wouldn't like to catch this particular virus, but I think if you take common sense precautions like washing your hands frequently, staying away from individuals who are displaying various flu signs like coughing or sneezing you will be fine. And for example, I plan to avoid the BTS & MRT this time around. I mean for fuck sake: 41 cases in Thailand total (1 new case), the PI 3 cases total (no new cases), Vietnam I6 cases total (no new cases): is this any reason to cancel a trip? I don't think so.
My only concern is that my flight thru Narita might possibly be cancelled. I kind of doubt it will be cancelled, because I think the Japanese are gaining the upper hand on this virus. As of today Japan has only 12 new cases. But we shall see what we shall see. If my flight does get cancelled or the number of new cases in LOS unexpectedly skyrockets, I will make other plans, but until then I am still headed for LOS and can't wait until I get there.
Of course, this is just my opinion. Others are free to disagree and / or change their plans. One more thing, I don't care if my return flight back to the USA in late June is cancelled because I wouldn't mind getting stuck in Thailand for an extra month as long as things are similar to as they are currently on the ground. But the odds of this contagion continuing large into the summer is highly doubtful. As I stated above, the Bat Flu doesn't seem to like the heat.
I wish I was in BKK right now. The hyperbole and fear mongering of the situation from the Western Media is simply amazing, but then again it is par for the course and to be expected from these brain dead, overpayed, ass clowns. It is up to individuals to do their own risk assessments based on the information available. I would question the way numbers are reported for example Italy have a large number 640+ compared to closer geographical countries. It depends on whether you trust the information being fed to you.
People are making decisions based on having already got flights booked and the financial impact. I don't have a flight booked and think I will sit and watch a while, as I say individuals choice.
I would question the way numbers are reported for example Italy have a large number 640+ compared to closer geographical countries. It depends on whether you trust the information being fed to you.Exactly.
The 41 cases in Thailand is admitted for a while.
It sounds not very realistic that this number didn't go up since it's been already admitted a few weeks ago.
As for the other countries such Vietnam (16 cases only), it doesn't seem realistic either.
Cambodia admitted only 1 case. It's a joke considering the amount of Chinese people going there for business or holidays for years and the level of healthcare there.
It took only one guy to pass it to all these Italians very quickly.
Franciscass
02-28-20, 17:09
Posing as customers immigration rounded up a bunch of Viet lasses and some Africans on Soi 4.
Banana Boi
02-28-20, 19:22
the Thailand Tourism Minister said there will be no more virus after Songkran as the hot weather will blow the virus away.
As I stated above, the Bat Flu doesn't seem to like the heat.Wow didn't know that. Guess there was something factual to the Thailand Tourism Minister's statement.
No one will ever know the true count of cases. Countries will report what they want to report.
That solo Italian guy really did a number on Italy and we will see the numbers throughout Europe rise because of a single guy. The Iranians are doing a pretty good job too spreading the virus around the world from New Zealand to Canada.
As I stated above, the Bat Flu doesn't seem to like the heat.I haven't read anything about Bat Flu and heat. Hope you're right. The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits. Also some sick people aren't getting medical help due to fear of being isolated by friends and family.
Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?
Banana Boi
02-28-20, 19:44
Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?OMG too funny. Would be worth quite a bit on Pantip.
Member #4698
02-28-20, 19:54
I haven't read anything about Bat Flu and heat. Hope you're right. The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits. Also some sick people aren't getting medical help due to fear of being isolated by friends and family.
Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?What ever you decide to do ie visit LOS or put it off for a while, Don't Sell Your Stocks. This is a long overdue market correction. I am now looking to buy certain quality stocks a little bit at a time. There are always opportunities when there is blood on the street.
Now if I die from the Bat Flu at least I will have died for a good cause, Poontang, but sorry, I think I will have my Line Address Book auctioned off on Ebay and the proceeds distributed amongst my favorite girls provided they show up at my funeral and put on a good show. I want a lot of tears and testimonials and then afterwards one hell of a good farewell party.
I am really worried about a future Bangkok with almost no freelancers on street. FLs are usually dirt cheap due to a variety of reasons and their, almost, complete disappearance, from asok to nana is an extreme concern.
The takeouts from massage shops become expensive if one orders two a day. Ditto with bar girls. Freelancers used to be pretty good "fillers" and sometimes offered only chance to snag an amateur.
During my recent visit, the street scene was totally dead in Bangkok. Some of it could be attributed to corona and dearth of tourists, some to increased LE activity in Bangkok and Pattaya that I witnessed personally.
I wonder if there are any alternatives that can fill the void.
Member #4673
02-29-20, 01:16
I am really worried about a future Bangkok with almost no freelancers on street. .My yesterday statistics from Soi 4, half LB plus a few super expired and 4 black ugly girls. This is the trigger for me to move back to Pattaya.
My normal MO is first day, visit SOL to get the rust removed from the pipes. Last year, found a very good looker, great service. Definitely worth a repeat visit.
But having read on a couple of Best BJ bar blogs about "the World" near SOL, I'd never heard of it despite decades of visits. Determined to check it out. Now I knew if I stopped at SOL, last year's fav would no doubt not be there, but its gravitational pull too much for me to resist. So instead of turning right past Foodland, headed straight, up the stairs, to the 2nd floor (1 floor above ground). Nothing immediate, so walked along the landing, and down near the end, furthest from Foodland, saw the "World" on a door (or window, forget which, but noticable). Unsure if it was open or closed, but when I approached the door, a lady appeared from outside, opening the door for me. Stepped in to a lit bar, obviously seen better days. Couple of girls inside, including the one who'd opened the door for me.
Having read prices were variable, asked the price of a Singha. "150". "No thanks. " "OK, for you 100". "Fine, 1 Singha please. ".
As usual, a girl on each side, Lefty rubbing my shoulders, Righty my crotch. In the light, mentally dismissed Lefty, r\Righty MAYBE a possible. First thing, A/C turned on. Great. 2nd, lights dimmed, well past subtle, down to "where's my headlamp" dim. OK, reasonable, as the girls are not the cutest. 3rd, tape started. Eagles. Fantastic, my type of music.
Righty continued with the crotch rubbing, saying that a room was available for BJ's. I was mentally debating, thinking about SOL potential. Perhaps sensing my hesitation, Righty pulls up her shirt and bra, reavealing a nice rack with nice nipples. Nothing major, but certainly compelling enough to let SOL thoughts disappear. "How much?" "1000. " "No thanks. " "OK, for you, discount, 900. " Now, I KNOW that is above market rate, but, some quick mental calculations, SOL=700+200 tip; the World=900 includes tip. Same end result: 1000 baht for beer and BJ.
Move to couch, I drop trou, she goes topless, then pulls off bottoms, kneeling in front of me. Decent BJ, and with some helpful pointers of the techniques I enjoy, enjoyable. Not SOL enjoyable, but... Enough for a "been there, done that". After some effort by her, blastoff, CIM achieved. Unlike SOL, no box of tissue at her side. She gets every last drop, NO instant disconnect, but runs to the bathroom to spit in sink, gargle, spit in sink, gargle, etc. Comes back, I pull up trou, pay and off I go.
Pass by SOL. Ask about Mam, last year's fav. As expected, "she no longer work here". Checked out the available ladies outside, nothing appealing.
WIR: another visit to SOL. Checked out the front ladies, NOTHING to stir my interest. Back up to the World. Walked inside, same lady from first time there. Same MO, A/C on, lights DIMMED, music on (Tina Turner. Yes, thank you), though no discussion of price. Fan positioned for quick cooling while the A/C cranks up. Same couch service, just went directly there. Same service type, decent BJ, though no SOL super technique, same no tissue box, get up, go to toilet, spit in sink, gargle, spit, gargle, spit. Perhaps tissue an unnecessary expense for the girl.
So, will the World replace SOL? Hardly, but certainly an alternate possibility to provide service if SOL is devoid of attractions. Music is certainly enjoyable.
I haven't read anything about Bat Flu and heat. Hope you're right. The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits. Also some sick people aren't getting medical help due to fear of being isolated by friends and family.
Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?The connection had occurred to me as well. Northern China, Korea, Northern Italy, Iran. Those places are now experiencing winter. Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, South America, astonishingly few cases.
Franciscass
02-29-20, 04:35
The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering An expected first quarter contraction in China, a possible global recession, massive supply chain disruption, a real issue with the global spread of Covid-19 resulting in changes in consumer behavior re travel eating out shopping etc, the Trump dodo press conference after returning from Indian, these are the main causes of the global slump in stocks. Blaming the media while I agree they love the drama especially the popular tabloid press and while a popular chant especially among populist politicians seeking reelection is in my humble opinion unfair. I agree with the notion the slump provides buying opportunities, here timing is the key, I unfortunately didn't see the magnitude of the sell off and started buying too early but I'm still buying. As the saying goes "this too shall pass".
Generally agree based on my observations as well. My Thermae comment / report was on a Sunday night (always a slow night) and right around closing time. When I walked past it a bit earlier on a Tue or something like that. It seemed to have decent foot traffic of girls and Asian customers in and out.I passed through Thermae twice last night, once at around 9:30pm and again around 2am. I am usually not out and about, dropping into Thermae and all that at 2am, so I don't know how it compares to recent times. But my observation at 2am on this Friday night is the same as yours was for last Sunday night; there were very few girls and customers in the place at that hour. Very slim pickins.
However, at 9:30pm last night, it was filled with girls and customers. Waves of them, just like usual at that hour if not more than usual. Now, here is the bad part for any Farangs thinking this coronavirus hysteria has loosened the youngest and best looking Thermae girls' grip on responding exclusively to Asian punters. And, again, this is only from MY experience. But at 9:30pm I went in there as pleasant, polite, smiling, happy, with as warm and welcoming a "sawadee krup" at the ready as I have ever had, looking pretty damn good for a somewhat elderly Farang I might say. And the cold shoulder from the better looking girls was every bit as bad as it has ever been. Very, very cold cold shoulder for this Farang. With girls I'd never seen or talked to before, new encounters.
In fact, was it my imagination, or was the cold shoulder from the better looking Thermae girls for this Farang last night WORSE than it has ever been? Unfortunately, I kind of think it was. A possibility: Has our Farang penchant for wanting, sometimes even negotiating for and expecting, DFK put us on a an even stronger "Avoid" list with these better looking Thermae girls in a Coronavirus World? I wonder. One might think Farangs would rise a step or two on the ladder of preference for these better looking girls at a time when a potentially deadly flu is more associated with Asians than Farangs. Nope. Not by my observation and experience last night. Just the opposite. Oh, I got smiles and responses from a few fairly good looking girls in the place. But very few.
Otherwise, Soi 4 was hopping busy with girls and customers at around 9:45pm last night and again at 2am. Nana Plaza itself was a bit slower at 9:45pm and 2am. At least in the open plaza part of it. I did not have time to go inside the bars. But there were certainly plenty of door girls and girls sitting outside the bars to confirm there were indeed a lot of girls working in the bars last night.
Yes, there were little to no signs of Vietnamese girls in their usual station in front of Hillary 1 Bar at 9:45pm. Presumably due to the recent foreign worker sweep in that area. But a few of them were still working the area on the other side of Soi 4 in front of Hillary 2 and thereabouts. Also several African girls sitting at tables along that stretch.
The connection had occurred to me as well. Northern China, Korea, Northern Italy, Iran. Those places are now experiencing winter. Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, South America, astonishingly few cases.I read that it is not heat that will kill the virus. It has something to do with the immune system being more efficient when body temperature is higher.
Posing as customers immigration rounded up a bunch of Viet lasses and some Africans on Soi 4.Girls had to be really fucking stupid. How many Thai men will be customers on Soi 4? ZERO.
So if I'm a girl I avoid all Thai men and do not talk to any of them.
Of course if they just pulled up and said show me your papers, different story.
I am really worried about a future Bangkok with almost no freelancers on street. FLs are usually dirt cheap due to a variety of reasons and their, almost, complete disappearance, from asok to nana is an extreme concern.
The takeouts from massage shops become expensive if one orders two a day. Ditto with bar girls. Freelancers used to be pretty good "fillers" and sometimes offered only chance to snag an amateur.
During my recent visit, the street scene was totally dead in Bangkok. Some of it could be attributed to corona and dearth of tourists, some to increased LE activity in Bangkok and Pattaya that I witnessed personally.
I wonder if there are any alternatives that can fill the void.Explore the world of the Internet, and social media.
Was out at Chatuchak market, both last Saturday and this Saturday. Still hot, but the crowds are really DOWN. Now, mostly foreigners, very few Thais. Certainly bad news for the businesses there, but does make it a lot EASIER to get around.
If taking the Metro, don't do like all the newbies and get off at Chatuchak Park stop. Today, watched most get off at the Chatuchak Park stop. Wait until the next stop, Kamphaeng Phet. That lets you off basically inside the market, at the edge by section 26, the handicrafts section. Walk outside the metro entrance, and you're inside the market. Makes it easy for me to find my "start point", the Viva Bar26. Great place for a drink, both coming and going. Been stopping there for 20+ years. It's my reference point for my inertial navigation to other shops I know. I've learned to get business cards from the shops I buy from so that, in the future, easier to find, rather than having to do a grid search of the old days.
Girls had to be really fucking stupid. How many Thai men will be customers on Soi 4? ZERO.
So if I'm a girl I avoid all Thai men and do not talk to any of them.
Of course if they just pulled up and said show me your papers, different story.They use tourist police or foreigners. In Pattaya a group of black girls were lured by Indians posing as customers. Scums.
Franciscass
02-29-20, 17:08
Girls had to be really fucking stupid. How many Thai men will be customers on Soi 4? ZERO.
So if I'm a girl I avoid all Thai men and do not talk to any of them.
Of course if they just pulled up and said show me your papers, different story.I agree with you to an extent, they would have most likely tapped the foreign working one way or another, I was just passing on the reported m. O. Sting, maybe true maybe not. End result still the same, as earlier report Viet girls not around any more.
GettingFedUp
02-29-20, 17:25
The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits.Actually you're doing the scare mongering job yourself. There's no "testing kit".
The test is a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (rt-pcr). To simplify, a sample is taken in a sterile receptacle (cotton swab, spit in the jar, whatever) and chemicals are applied to (a) turn any RNA (single strand) from a virus present into DNA (the Watson-Crick double helix) and (b) multiplying the results hugely.
This is then analysed in a genetic sequencing machine (96 sample, 1 hour turnaround time was around $20,000 last time I checked and it is quite likely the same bit of kit which does your teerak's HIV test. So widely available in hospitals, clinics and universities, even in Thailand, although I cannot vouch for backwards regimes like California) which looks for a specific block of genetic code believed to be unique to the virus.
Or maybe California has run out of cotton swabs, test tubes and jars?
My yesterday statistics from Soi 4, half LB plus a few super expired and 4 black ugly girls.Sounds like Pattaya.
Pahllus Maximus
03-01-20, 02:53
A 4-5 day fast (water only) resets the immune system (see Valter Longo et al UCLA and lots of peer reviewed work). Literally renews immune system with brand new undamaged cells. Been doing it every 6 months last few years, good objective results on skin smoothness and energy. It also creates a raging teenage boner after you come off the fast and feed up for months afterwards. I'm old enough to have some grey hair, but I gave gave some girls a solid pounding. They were not expecting a fence post in my pants or up for it again 30 minutes later.
I much prefer a selection of varied young women to cavort with than some ageing, whining and nagging old American / Western cows past it. Just love the Thai girls giggling as cum drips out their pretty little mouths, genuinely happy and amazed they have such power over the male species and the attention they get. 1000 baht for such a sight in the mirror works for me! Sex is life and joy itself. Those opposing P4P have deep agendas that boils down reproduction of economic units (for exploitation by stakeholders, church, state, business or as canon fodder) or a lifelong meal ticket for women after they hit the wall at 35 or so. Say no the feminist put option and buy on the spot market.
A 4-5 day fast (water only) Full 5 days with nothing but water? That seems extreme! Or do you mean intermittent fasting?
Damn its sad to read the reports about Bangkok, meanwhile I've been slamming the hotties here in Siem Reap. Guess I got out of BKK just in time.
Full 5 days with nothing but water? That seems extreme! Or do you mean intermittent fasting?The five day water only fast is actually the best way to start a real, ketosis inducing intermittent fasting protocol. I've experienced the health benefits and bright clarity of mind doing the fast over two months, and it was outstanding.
I also found my athletic performance either stayed the same or improved. In other words, no drop off. Sadly, I didn't accompany these two months with any of my 20 ish or 30 ish THAI lovelies so can't vouch for sexual performance on the diet.
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