Bangkok Reports

[Banana Boi]

I for one want to know which girls in which shop is offering BBFS, I need to know so that I can cross that girl off my list. So ET is the antichrist for you! There's also a guy on here who CLAIMS that 90% (sometimes it's only 60% depending on his post) of the girls he fucks in Thailand do BBFS so you may want to follow his posts closely. I believe he also says the ones who don't allow him to do BBFS he will take off his condom when the girl isn't looking and fuck her BBFS.

Thailand likely isn't the place for you if you don't like girls who do BBFS. If not all paying customers definitely regular customers and for sure they are fucking their Thai BF BBFS. We also know their Thai BF is fucking many other girls BBFS as well. Sadly that is the truth. Even worse are Cambodia, Jakarta, and I understand PI where girls don't even know what a condom is.


I assume every go-go bar punter reading this has already easily figured out that if those girls are going to be available to session at any time all day and all night at least twice per week without having to buy even one Ladydrink, pay a barine, meet her at 4pm or wait until 3am, then it will be even tougher for those bars to make money. They might become sort of a live and in-person first meet Line info exchange Tinder shop.

Yep. I would be a very busy boy on Mondays and Tuesdays with no barfine to pay.

I'm assuming contracts will be 10 days over 2 weeks with 2 days off per week. Girls will love that. Can gogo bars still afford to pay girls contracts post COVID?

[Franciscass]

I remember when this forum had great reports and was providing invaluable guidance to both locals and tourists alike.

Ah the good old days.

As for what a member is or is not allowed to post, I believe as long as it's within the rules it should be ok. I for one want to know which girls in which shop is offering BBFS, I need to know so that I can cross that girl off my list. But that's just me, she'll lose my patronage but gain someone else's.Just back Nic and already in the thick of it with the current preoccupation about BB sex.

I have enough experience and I guess you also from your visits to realize the reality most girls do not risk their heath from unprotected sex with customers.

Obviously some do and seemingly enough to satisfy those that need or prefer it au natural.

I sometimes carry condoms but mostly the girl whips it out when we get to the boom boom phase.

If on the rare occasion neither of us has one it would be then oh ok just BJ darling.

Whether meantime she is fucking half of Bangkok without a condom is immaterial to me.

[EihTooms]

So ET is the antichrist for you! There's also a guy on here who CLAIMS that 90% (sometimes it's only 60% depending on his post) of the girls he fucks in Thailand do BBFS so you may want to follow his posts closely. I believe he also says the ones who don't allow him to do BBFS he will take off his condom when the girl isn't looking and fuck her BBFS.

Thailand likely isn't the place for you if you don't like girls who do BBFS. If not all paying customers definitely regular customers and for sure they are fucking their Thai BF BBFS. We also know their Thai BF is fucking many other girls BBFS as well. Sadly that is the truth. Even worse are Cambodia, Jakarta, and I understand PI where girls don't even know what a condom is.On this topic, a couple of things about my previous reference to BBFS+CIP as "Real Sex". The origin of it had nothing to do with contrasting it to condom covered penis-vagina sex as "fake sex." It and the related "True GFE" came about because I had read so many reports where a session was described as "a Great GFE" or "terrific Full Service" and when you scratched the surface you found out no DFK was allowed, no BBBJ+CIM was allowed, no BBBJ even as foreplay was allowed. Seriously?

And around that same time a few long time posters admitted that when they mentioned "fucking" or BBFS in their reports it almost always actually meant they pulled out and masturbated onto the girl's tits, face or other body part. Uh. Ok. Different strokes for different folks, of course.

Therefore, my feeling was unless somebody specifically stated that they paid for and got Real Sex, covered or not, I could not automatically assume that meant the report or review was about fucking to a fucking finish with a penis in a vagina (nor could anyone else) but could easily mean they had one of those generously liberal and spiritually pleasant definitions of sex handjobs at best, perhaps with a little oral or vaginal foreplay thrown in.

And it might shock some to find out that whenever I am negotiating the terms of sex with a Thai girl in person or online and I tell them I am only interested in "real sex", using exactly those words for the first time with them, almost always the girl's very next immediate response is on the topic of requiring a condom or not despite the fact that I had not uttered or written the word "condom" yet.

So I have little doubt the vast majority of Thai girls, P4P or not, consider BBFS+CIP to be Real Sex, already know what that means and that covered sex could be regarded as something else even if a few posters on ISG choose not to see it that way.


Yep. I would be a very busy boy on Mondays and Tuesdays with no barfine to pay.

I'm assuming contracts will be 10 days over 2 weeks with 2 days off per week. Girls will love that. Can gogo bars still afford to pay girls contracts post COVID?The go-go girls I repeat occasionally are not very forth coming about this but maybe yours have told you whether or not the mamasans are demanding a bigger or more frequent kick back on the fee a girl gets for her time with a customer these days.

In my case at least, that could explain why some girls absolutely will not budge far below 3,000 for ST or 5,000 for LT when I want to take them from IN the bar with the mamasan on duty the first time but will easily agree to 2,000 - 2,500 for LT later when the mamasan is not anywhere around or part of the deal.

[MarquisdeSade1]

So ET is the antichrist Great post BBoi.

ET= a perfect role model for mongers globally.

If someone is flying to Asia or anywhere to bang 3rd world hookers and are worried about that guy banging them bb.

He needs to just stay home and watch porn, instead of expecting us to lower our level enjoyment for some imagined benefit to him.

Do all these condom zealots use condoms for everything? DATY? BJs? DFK?

Hookers suck many penis, many monger penis have genital warts and hpv.

Where do they stop? Where is the arbitrary line they draw?

[Goatscrot]

Just back Nic and already in the thick of it with the current preoccupation about BB sex.

I have enough experience and I guess you also from your visits to realize the reality most girls do not risk their heath from unprotected sex with customers.

Obviously some do and seemingly enough to satisfy those that need or prefer it au natural.

I sometimes carry condoms but mostly the girl whips it out when we get to the boom boom phase.

If on the rare occasion neither of us has one it would be then oh ok just BJ darling.

Whether meantime she is fucking half of Bangkok without a condom is immaterial to me.I'll respectfully disagree. I'd say well over 50 percent of gals are willing to let punters go bareback, especially on repeat performances. But of course to the guys who are really worried about safety they will contend they are always 100 percent condom.

[HorseTrader]

I'll respectfully disagree. I'd say well over 50 percent of gals are willing to let punters go bareback, especially on repeat performances.In my experience about 25% don't make a single move for the condom on the first session. Sometimes I present the condom, but sometimes I just go with the flow.

[Member #4698]

If you are not barebacking her, someone else is.

I do mainly Go Go girls, then soapy and oily massage girls, then club FL's, and lastly a very few Pattaya Soi 6 and Nana Soi 4 SW types. My stat is roughly 25% of new girls do not mention a raincoat and it is up to me to put one or not. But my stats on the remaining 75% gets better (or worse, I guess, depending on your point of view) with repeat visits. By a 4th session more than 75% of my Thai girls and I are barebacking. Of course, I do not repeat with most of the girls I meet, only with the ones I like, so my 75% number is skewed and not a universal stat for all working girls and their customers. But again, my original point is if the customer is not doing her bareback, someone else is.

Now I will be heading down to Brazil shortly. It is going to be interesting to see what I do and what my stats are down there. I think BBBJ's are 99.9% guarantied and there is a higher percentage of covered anal with Brazilian girls, not that it interests me that much, but I am unsure of the barebacking percentages and I do not know how I will react when the opportunity is at my discretion. BS! I know. When I am in bed with a smoking hot Scandallo girl and she comes up between my legs and begins to mount me, Natty ain't going to say NO, wait a minute.

But for some reason I do not consider Brazilian working girls as hygienic as Thai girls. I might have a prejudice against white Brazilian working girls. I will have to check that out.

[Franciscass]

I'll respectfully disagree. I'd say well over 50 percent of gals are willing to let punters go bareback, especially on repeat performances. But of course to the guys who are really worried about safety they will contend they are always 100 percent condom.On how many girl go BB, I admit I don't know what would happen if I said no condom. I was commenting on what in my experience normally happens. Perhaps lots as you say will go BB if asked for it.

Also Goat not obvious to me how the girl will know a customer is worried about safety and contend she is always 100% condom. How would that go? The punter for some unknown reason says "if you're thinking of not using a condom don't because I worry about my heath" to which she replies "don't worry I never do boom boom without a condom". Again in my experience the condom is usually in her purse or handily accessible and is introduced when the preliminaries are over and it's onto the "main event".

I will agree with you that it is more likely she will go BB with somebody who becomes a regular if this is what he wants.

[Banana Boi]

I'd say well over 50 percent of gals are willing to let punters go bareback, especially on repeat performances. If you exclude gogo bars and Thermae, I'm going to say the number is higher than 50% on repeat.


In my experience about 25% don't make a single move for the condom on the first session. I find most Thai girls pull out a condom for first timers but my numbers are likely very skewed since I am mainly going with gogo girls.

In Jakarta for example if a girl asks you for a condom she is really asking you if you want BBFS or not. If you want BBFS simply say no condom and she will hop on. Like Thailand gogo bars, this will not apply to the the more mainstream tourist places like Classic and Travel.

[Franciscass]

And it might shock some to find out that whenever I am negotiating the terms of sex with a Thai girl in person or online and I tell them I am only interested in "real sex", using exactly those words for the first time with them, almost always the girl's very next immediate response is on the topic of requiring a condom or not despite the fact that I had not uttered or written the word "condom" yet.

So I have little doubt the vast majority of Thai girls, P4P or not, consider BBFS+CIP to be Real Sex, already know what that means and that covered sex could be regarded as something else even if a few posters on ISG choose not to see it that way..Are you sure about this ET. I'll wager an even 20 K if we randomly called in at any massage shop, talked to any girl at a bar or disco, at a soapie or on the street and asked "I want real sex" no one would immediately know what you talking about. The winner pays for the booze and a session with a lady of his choosing. Budget 5 K.

On top If you google "real sex" you will be hard pressed to find a connection that references it to BB sex.

Me thinks ET the truth is in reality you use the term because for you if it's not BB it's not real sex and that's fine but you're really stretching credulity if you believe "real sex" is a commonly used synonym for BB sex or for that matter protected sex is "fake sex". But hey no big deal a rose by any other name etc etc.

[EihTooms]

Are you sure about this ET. I'll wager an even 20 K if we randomly called in at any massage shop, talked to any girl at a bar or disco, at a soapie or on the street and asked "I want real sex" no one would immediately know what you talking about. The winner pays for the booze and a session with a lady of his choosing. Budget 5 K.

On top If you google "real sex" you will be hard pressed to find a connection that references it to BB sex.

Me thinks ET the truth is in reality you use the term because for you if it's not BB it's not real sex and that's fine but you're really stretching credulity if you believe "real sex" is a commonly used synonym for BB sex or for that matter protected sex is "fake sex". But hey no big deal a rose by any other name etc etc.I didn't say it is a commonly used term in Thailand or anywhere for BBFS+CIP. And, naturally, I am only talking about the times I am conversing with English fluent girls, not someone with little or no English fluency or someone relying on Google Translate. And I have no idea what happens with random P4P girls because I don't choose girls randomly to engage in these negotiations.

However, of the girls I do choose to negotiate this with, after we have discussed DFK, shaved pussy or not shaved, LT or ST, money, etc, I might say, for example, "Ok, I can pay this much but I am only interested in real sex." Or "if it is real sex."

Not 100% of the time. As I stipulated. But almost every time I do it that way I'll count to 5 if it is an in person negotiation or 30 seconds if it is on Line, more time than the previous replies required, and the very next statement from the girl will be "Must have condom" or "Condom" or some other reply that imo clearly indicates they got the message about what I meant without my uttering or typing the word "condom."

I don't see why that would even be difficult to believe, IF the girl is quite fluent in English.

I don't know what the Thai language version of it would be. But I'm guessing there is a euphemistic way of saying it without saying "no condom" directly that also comes fairly close to the concept of real, genuine, as god created it to make babies or whatever.

If they don't say anything about it in their next response then I will, just to make sure they understand what I mean. If they are English fluent enough to understand the nuances of the word "real", they at least suspect I am talking about sex without a barrier and will respond about it in some way.

Unfortunately for your little challenge, Franciscass, I have no idea what happens when you talk to massage shop girls on the phone or randomly in a go-go bar or randomly on the street or randomly on ThaiFriendly. I can only say what happens almost every time with the girls I zero in on as someone I would even bother to negotiate with.

There is no way am I burning a chance for a girl I might actually want to take or meet to say, "l'm ok about that" regarding BBFS+CIP forever by having you standing next to me to verify a bet. LOL. A negotiation for Real Sex/BBFS+CIP is a solitary journey. As I have advised bareback punters who inquired about it here and elsewhere, never, never, never do it in Thailand if there is any chance the girl thinks you have a friend nearby or listening in or if another person, friend or not, is near enough to hear. Or if she thinks you could take her Yes reply to your friend over there to boast about it and point to her. The answer will always be No.

Why don't you just run a few tests on this yourself, chat it up about a few other items you want, hit the girl with your expectation of real sex and she how she responds? Remember, English fluent girls.

Then if you never or rarely get the kind of response I mentioned then maybe there is just something special about the girls I choose, the way I lead up to it, say it or write it and you can come back here to happily report that you finally found a gotch'a to hang on ET's head, your longest and most fervent dream and wish come true!

I suspect that will be worth much more to you than 20,000 baht and a night of free drinks.

[ConquerorVal]

Real sex is good. One can also say natural sex. Dang it! I really miss AC!

[Franciscass]

Then if you never or rarely get the kind of response I mentioned then maybe there is just something special about the girls I choose, the way I lead up to it, say it or write it and you can come back here to happily report that you finally found a gotch'a to hang on ET's head, your longest and most fervent dream and wish come true!.A not unsurprising if a somewhat long winded convoluted no to the bet. ET In my autumn years there are still a few fervent dreams and wishes whirling around my mind but believe me trying to get a gotcha on you is most assuredly not one of them. To think it is displays a staggering sense of self-importance and perhaps even a slight hint of paranoia on your part. Reading and posting on ISG is for me and I imagine for most members no more no less than an enjoyable but insignificant trivial pursuit.

[EihTooms]

Real sex is good. One can also say natural sex. Dang it! I really miss AC!I like the term "natural" for it, too and maybe there is some version of that in a Thai language euphemistic expression for no condom sexual intercourse. I don't know. Maybe I should know it. But then there would be side discussions and push back about an inference that every other sex act mentioned here is "unnatural."

Btw, did you mention how much you miss AC in this particular discussion in the Bangkok Reports thread because, unlike in Thailand for now, BBFS+CIP is commonly accepted as the norm without discussion in AC and elsewhere in the Philippines?

[IHeartIpa]

"I don't see why that would even be difficult to believe, IF the girl is quite fluent in English."

I've lived in Thailand a long time and mongered in BKK, Patts, Phuket, Samui, etc Done 1 k at soi 6 and had 15 k VIP girls. Nowhere have I met a girl in the game that has fluent English. I do prefer younger hot girls so I'm assuming you're targeting girls who have been in the game a long time. With better English and they earn less so are more open to negotiations. This whole talk of "Real sex" goes over the head of all of them unless maybe its a soi 11 freelancer in BKK who has fucked white guys for 10 years+.

Just say "mai yaak sai tung" = I don't want to wear a condom.

[EihTooms]

"I don't see why that would even be difficult to believe, IF the girl is quite fluent in English."

I've lived in Thailand a long time and mongered in BKK, Patts, Phuket, Samui, etc Done 1 k at soi 6 and had 15 k VIP girls. Nowhere have I met a girl in the game that has fluent English. I do prefer younger hot girls so I'm assuming you're targeting girls who have been in the game a long time. With better English and they earn less so are more open to negotiations. This whole talk of "Real sex" goes over the head of all of them unless maybe its a soi 11 freelancer in BKK who has fucked white guys for 10 years+.

Just say "mai yaak sai tung" = I don't want to wear a condom.Yes, a mention of wanting "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" in so many words is only going to trigger a likely understanding that you mean something more intimate than hooker-customer sex with a condom with English fluent girls. But I don't think they need to be hardcore 10 year veterans of P4P with farangs to get the meaning of it.

Of course, I can and will sometimes just say "I want to fuck without a condom" or "boom boom no condom" directly. Simple.

The "real sex" bit isn't at all about using a term that is commonly used by Thai people or most anyone else as a conventional alternative for "BBFS+CIP", "boom boom no condom", "mai yaak sai tung" and so on. That has nothing to do with it. That was something another poster mistakenly assumed about it.

But sometimes I have other reasons to use the "real sex" or "boyfriend-girlfriend sex" or "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" euphemism when I know I am talking to or Line messaging with a Thai girl fluent enough in English to grasp the meaning of those words. The point is to communicate something more about what kind of session and experience I am into than the basic, literal definition of "I want to fuck bareback."

I have found that telling a girl I want "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" with her (assuming she understands the meaning of those words in English) can often cover a lot of ground in one go about really intending to have DFK, no rush, no stopping everything to talk about or put on a condom, a more romantic mood, no mechanical routine and so on.

[Gilolo]

Yes, a mention of wanting "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" in so many words is only going to trigger a likely understanding that you mean something more intimate than hooker-customer sex with a condom with English fluent girls. But I don't think they need to be hardcore 10 year veterans of P4P with farangs to get the meaning of it.

Of course, I can and will sometimes just say "I want to fuck without a condom" or "boom boom no condom" directly. Simple.

The "real sex" bit isn't at all about using a term that is commonly used by Thai people or most anyone else as a conventional alternative for "BBFS+CIP", "boom boom no condom", "mai yaak sai tung" and so on. That has nothing to do with it. That was something another poster mistakenly assumed about it.

But sometimes I have other reasons to use the "real sex" or "boyfriend-girlfriend sex" or "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" euphemism when I know I am talking to or Line messaging with a Thai girl fluent enough in English to grasp the meaning of those words. The point is to communicate something more about what kind of session and experience I am into than the basic, literal definition of "I want to fuck bareback."

I have found that telling a girl I want "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" with her (assuming she understands the meaning of those words in English) can often cover a lot of ground in one go about really intending to have DFK, no rush, no stopping everything to talk about or put on a condom, a more romantic mood, no mechanical routine and so on.Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.

[NicFrenchy]

Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.Sadly, this is true.

And your chances of "no condom" increase exponentially with repeat visits.

YMMV of course. I've been in the non P4 P scene for a long time now and I can tell you, 99.9% of the time you wine and dine the girl, she comes back with you to the room for a few drinks and will have sex any way you want it. 100% of them will not have a condom with them (why would they) and unless you pull out one, it will never be discussed. Unless there is a "smell" in your groin area, you're clean.

We've all caught something at one time or the other, it's our responsibility to protect ourselves, or not. You can go to a P4 P place with the best of intentions, but sometimes you can also get carried in the moment and forget the rubber.

Most important is Have fun, pay what you can afford, rinse repeat.

[AddisDude]

Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere and 15 years ago it was a much harder and awkward conversation to talk about no condom now, it is becoming norm.

[Banana Boi]

I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere Ok maybe that poster was right and I do have very limited knowledge. I'll take the bait here. Other than some countries in SEA, Central America, and South America, I am not familiar with many other countries that "BBFS is becoming standard".

Your knowledge where "BBFS is becoming standard" in the following countries are helpful for me.

Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Netherlands.
Sweden.
Norway.
Finland.
Iceland.
Denmark.
Czech Republic.
Poland.
Estonia.
Hungary.
Romania.
Serbia.
Croatia.
Ukraine.
USA.
Canada.
Cape Town, South Africa.
Vietnam.
South Korea.
Japan.
Taiwan.
Hong Kong.
Malaysia.
Singapore.
Australia.

Just some of the countries I have been to and I did not find "BBFS is becoming standard" or I plan to travel to soon as we can begin travel again.

[EihTooms]

I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere and 15 years ago it was a much harder and awkward conversation to talk about no condom now, it is becoming norm.I have not traveled outside of Thailand in about 10 years except for two weeks in Italy. For me, talking about no condom upfront with the girl IS the norm. The only awkward part is when the much better than average looking girks say No. LOL.

Sure, it has always been the case in most places around the world that if you wine and dine non pros and then get them to toss back a few more drinks in your room, bareback sex is going to happen fairly regularly.

But I much prefer to get all the converstaion about condoms, if any, way out of the way before we get to my room. And I hate sex with drunk women. So there you are.

But are you saying not only is it not awkward to talk about no condom but much better than average looking P4 P girls all around the world are now agreeing to it quite readily upfront before you start pouring drinks down their throat?

If so, nice.

[NicFrenchy]

But are you saying not only is it not awkward to talk about no condom but much better than average looking P4 P girls all around the world are now agreeing to it quite readily upfront before you start pouring drinks down their throat?

If so, nice.That reminds me of a high end girl I had at a Club (usually not my thing to go high end because of the starfish reputation), we clicked, I paid the fine and off we went.

She would not budge on condoms, not even a BBBJ. It was CBJ or nothing. No kissing, not much of anything. Perfect starfish.

I was already licking my wounds, swearing never to take "high nose" girls again. Until a bit of neck licking and pussy rubbing. Slow and gentle. She got so into it that everything was on the table: kissing, BBBJ, she would have jumped me bare also if I did not stop her.

I think YMMV, even a girl insisting on condoms upfront may change her mind mid-session (or for the morning round).

[Member #4698]

That reminds me of a high end girl I had at a Club (usually not my thing to go high end because of the starfish reputation), we clicked, I paid the fine and off we went.

She would not budge on condoms, not even a BBBJ. It was CBJ or nothing. No kissing, not much of anything. Perfect starfish.

I was already licking my wounds, swearing never to take "high nose" girls again. Until a bit of neck licking and pussy rubbing. Slow and gentle. She got so into it that everything was on the table: kissing, BBBJ, she would have jumped me bare also if I did not stop her.

I think YMMV, even a girl insisting on condoms upfront may change her mind mid-session (or for the morning round).Yeah, I have had many such experiences and posted about them where a little tender cunning Lingus changed the entire dynamics of what was going on between a girl and myself. Yeah, I love these kinds of turnarounds when a reluctant girl becomes passionate and real. This is one of the reasons I never discuss barebacking or any sexual performance issues with a girl beforehand except maybe to throw out a silly question like if she likes to kiss or not. I really like the passionate encounters. It can happen at the get go without cunning Lingus if the girl is put together that way. It can also happen with pre-arranged negotiated sessions too sometimes, but it just does not seem as natural and real to me that way.

BTW, I have never been able to find a correlation between looks and performance. Some smoking' hot girls are great in bed and some are not. Some plain girls are great in bed and some are not. But taking a little time to talk, have a drink or 2, and get friendly greatly increases the odds of choosing a good girl and having a great time although you still never know until you know. So, I will always choose the girl that looks best to me if she passes the audition or gives me a positive vibe in the massage parlor situation. Keeping in mind that "life is a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get" until you open up the box.

[MoistCyst]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.


Ok maybe that poster was right and I do have very limited knowledge. I'll take the bait here. Other than some countries in SEA, Central America, and South America, I am not familiar with many other countries that "BBFS is becoming standard".

Your knowledge where "BBFS is becoming standard" in the following countries are helpful for me.

Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Netherlands.
Sweden.
Norway.
Finland.
Iceland.
Denmark.
Czech Republic.
Poland.
Estonia.
Hungary.
Romania..

[NicFrenchy]

BTW, I have never been able to find a correlation between looks and performance.What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.

Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.

It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.

[Gilolo]

What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.

Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.

It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.Well it happened to me very few times, that a high sexy girl from a Gogo ask a lot of money and finally we can be disappointed because she doesn't make a lot of efforts to make you happy during sex, with poor performances. Yes she knows she's sexy and can have many men for lot of money. Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.

Last time I was with a girl from Rainbow GOGO in Bangkok, it was not the best, I spent a lot of money, she asked me 3000 for a ST + 1000 barfine + 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.

At the beginning, she told me not kiss to much because she doesn't like kisses, then I licked her pussy but she didn't want I put my fingers inside and they.

[EihTooms]

Well it happened to me very few times, that a high sexy girl from a Gogo ask a lot of money and finally we can be disappointed because she doesn't make a lot of efforts to make you happy during sex, with poor performances. Yes she knows she's sexy and can have many men for lot of money. Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.

Last time I was with a girl from Rainbow GOGO in Bangkok, it was not the best, I spent a lot of money, she asked me 3000 for a ST + 1000 barfine + 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.

At the beginning, she told me not kiss to much because she doesn't like kisses, then I licked her pussy but she didn't want I put my fingers inside and they.Up until about 4-5 years ago I would sometimes go as high as 3,500 baht (for Short Time) to a hot girl in places like Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy in order to get an upfront agreement with one for BBFS+CIP.

Eventually, I stopped negotiating any higher than 3,000 baht (Short Time) to any Thai girl no matter how hot for anything off the usual menu like that because if it takes more than that amount of money to convince a P4P girl to have BBFS+CIP sex with me she is so not into it she is bound to be a problem in bed; starfish, stiff legs, rag doll limp, mechanical, pissy attitude, whatever.

I believe you can hit a certain amount of money that is so tempting to a girl she can't pass it up. But then we're talking about an arrangement that is a little too close to holding a gun to the head of someone to convince them to go along with the idea. Which, in this situation, is not likely to buy you great sex in the room.

In those days at least, I began to suspect 3,500 baht was the point where the girls were beginning to visualize that gun, figuratively speaking, of course.

So now I never go higher than 3,000 baht (ST) to a go-go girl for what I want. And I am reluctant to even go to or agree to that much. More than that and she will probably say Yes, but only because the money is too good to refuse and nothing to do with being at least a little bit into the idea of fucking me or anyone else.

And the best go-go girl sex is with the ones who don't need you to go higher than 2,000 - 2,500 baht before they are jumping on the opportunity to say Yes to BBFS+CIP and walk out of the bar with you knowing that is what will happen in the room, hassle-free, no unpleasant surprises and without another word being spoken about it

[Banana Boi]

+ 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.What did you expect? If a gogo girl told me she had a drink minimum before she left the bar I'd be looking around for another girl before the waitress arrived. OTOH, if she didn't demand drinks I have no problem hanging around buying her several drinks first.

[NicFrenchy]

Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.I don't do the bars, MPs are more my scene and I was referring to the "Magazine" type girls that hang in the top floors of MPs (10 K+ short time). They are the "Pretties" Thai guys like.

I have tried these types on a couple of occasions and it was overall below par. I much prefer the more regular looking girls, they're just more fun to be around.

[Gilolo]

Up until about 4-5 years ago I would sometimes go as high as 3,500 baht (for Short Time) to a hot girl in places like Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy in order to get an upfront agreement with one for BBFS+CIP.

Eventually, I stopped negotiating any higher than 3,000 baht (Short Time) to any Thai girl no matter how hot for anything off the usual menu like that because if it takes more than that amount of money to convince a P4P girl to have BBFS+CIP sex with me she is so not into it she is bound to be a problem in bed; starfish, stiff legs, rag doll limp, mechanical, pissy attitude, whatever.I totally agree with you. I did a mistaken I sent the message before I finished to write the end of what happened with that girl who didn't want to make lot of efforts for the price I paid. When she told me to not kiss her too much, to not lick her tits too much or not finger her pussy. Then I take my dick to fuck her! And then she asked me again to put a condom!

And then I started to say her, that I couldn't be horny when she refuse everything and if she ask me to put condom it's impossible!

And then I put my dick inside her pussy, I fucked her! And finally she let me do but she told me she wants 1000 more! I told her OK for 500. And then I told her to let me fuck her good and not speak!

After 10 good minutes of fucking, I finally came inside her pussy!

[Lefeu]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.

[Banana Boi]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.Moist, I've moved your post to the Seoul thread to see if we can start a discussion there about BBFS in Korea. Please share with me by PM where in Korea/Seoul/Busan, etc. you are finding these girls.


Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.Lefeu, care to share with me by PM where you were getting BBFS in Korea. I was in Korea for months and didn't get a single girl doing BBFS. If not in Seoul let me know which city and area as I'm pretty easy about where I travel in Korea. Hot girls and good food make Korea and Japan top destinations for me.

[HorseTrader]

...Then I take my dick to fuck her! And then she asked me again to put a condom!

And then I started to say her, that I couldn't be horny when she refuse everything and if she ask me to put condom it's impossible!

And then I put my dick inside her pussy, I fucked her! And finally she let me do but she told me she wants 1000 more! I told her OK for 500. And then I told her to let me fuck her good and not speak!

After 10 good minutes of fucking, I finally came inside her pussy!Some don't agree with EihTooms who insists on BBFS CIP, BBBJ CIM, or nothing, but he gets advanced approval and he has had a vasectomy. I sometimes do the same thing. What you did is classless.

Of course, after your claims of fucking 60% (or was it 90%?) of the Soi 6 and LK Metro girls BBFS, many forum members have already raised the BS flag regarding your posts. I'd like to think that 100% of your posts are BS.

[HorseTrader]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.


Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.Many Korean girls come to USA and work in massage parlors. Many do CFS, very few do BBFS. This makes me skeptical of BBFS being default in Korea. I look forward to reading the Seoul thread replies.

[Franciscass]

Many Korean girls come to USA and work in massage parlors. Many do CFS, very few do BBFS. This makes me skeptical of BBFS being default in Korea. I look forward to reading the Seoul thread replies.Some members say BBFS is standard while others myself included in the same countries in the the same cities have a whole different experience. Sure some girls in some countries don't carry condoms but in this well traveled ole monger's experience that is not standard operating procedure.

[EihTooms]

Some members say BBFS is standard while others myself included in the same countries in the the same cities have a whole different experience. Sure some girls in some countries don't carry condoms but in this well traveled ole monger's experience that is not standard operating procedure.I wouldn't consider it standard for this site's general purpose anywhere until above average looking P4P girls routinely agree to it upfront and sober or routinely go along with it in the room without a word of discussion or pushback about it, all of the above on the first encounter.

Ok, I guess that is my way of determining whether or not BBFS+CIP is standard in a country's P4P industry. Others might differ.

Getting regular women drunk and moony eyed before fucking them bareback doesn't make it standard in the P4P world anywhere, imo. And having below average looking P4P girls, hard cases, falling down drunk P4P girls or near homeless P4P girls agree to it doesn't make it standard in the P4P industry either unless those are the kind of P4P women you intend to deal with all the time.

By my measure and in my experience and observation, BBFS+CIP is not standard in the Thai P4P industry. Not now. Not yet. You can certainly make it standard for yourself by screening for it with girl after girl and only take girls who agree to it. But, imo, you will get a lot of resistance for it from those above average looking girls. You'll need game to routinely score BBFS+CIP with those Thai girls. Work. It can be done. But that kind of effort is pretty much the opposite of what P4P is supposed to be about.

I am talking about getting an upfront agreement for it before she walks away with you to go to the room just as matter-of-fact as getting an agreement for LT vs ST or 2,000 baht vs 2,500 baht, not "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" where you might still need to have a conversation about it, get her drunker or renegotiate a new price for it. But, again, none of that stuff supports the idea of it being standard. If anything, it is proof that it is not standard. Yet.

[Gilolo]

I wouldn't consider it standard for this site's general purpose anywhere until above average looking P4P girls routinely agree to it upfront and sober or routinely go along with it in the room without a word of discussion or pushback about it, all of the above on the first encounter.

Ok, I guess that is my way of determining whether or not BBFS+CIP is standard in a country's P4P industry. Others might differ.

Getting regular women drunk and moony eyed before fucking them bareback doesn't make it standard in the P4P world anywhere, imo. And having below average looking P4P girls, hard cases, falling down drunk P4P girls or near homeless P4P girls agree to it doesn't make it standard in the P4P industry either unless those are the kind of P4P women you intend to deal with all the time.

By my measure and in my experience and observation, BBFS+CIP is not standard in the Thai P4P industry. Not now. Not yet. You can certainly make it standard for yourself by screening for it with girl after girl and only take girls who agree to it. But, imo, you will get a lot of resistance for it from those above average looking girls. You'll need game to routinely score BBFS+CIP with those Thai girls. Work. It can be done. But that kind of effort is pretty much the opposite of what P4P is supposed to be about..IMO, I agree with you. But I can say that I go all the time in Thailand and Cambodia only because it's very very easy to get BBFS + CIP!

In other countries like Europe, I's very difficult to fuck bareback! Even with more money in Europe, they don't accept! In Europe 90% will refuse.

In Thailand or Cambodia 90% accept!

That's why I love Asia! I think I've the same box of condoms for 5 years and I didn't use any condoms! LOL.

I can't say it's a standard, I can't say that all the girls fuck without condom! But what I can say is that if you're nice with the girl, the girl will let you fuck her bareback!

[GrapeMan]

What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.

Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.

It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.I've found looks to performance tends to just be more variable. I expect a better performance from a worse looking girl, she's got to do that to get noticed and customers (and often she's working at places that may offer "better" service). But sometimes you get a stunner that goes full out too, or you get a stunner that's a complete dud, because she knows she can get plenty of work as soon as you leave and doesn't need you or anyone, she just goes through a few motions and do. But of course, a worse looking girl could be crap too.

Hell, one of the worst experiences I've had was with a just ok to meh looking girl, who was a complete mega-pornstar in the room, but it was so much that it went from good all the way back around to being awful because she was wild but like it was just awful because she was bad at it all. Then I get a stunner, unexciting shower, so much so that I'm like, damn, I fucked up, she's hot but this is gonna be a lame session. I dry off, so does she, and immediately right out of the shower, unprompted she gets on the bed, on all fours and tells me to just A+ her right away (which was not supposed to be offered by her) and fucks like champion for 2 hours.

Again, I think the hotter a girl is your less likely to get a great experience, but hey, things are all over.

[Franciscass]

But what I can say is that if you're nice with the girl, the girl will let you fuck her bareback!So all I had to do was follow your playbook on what it means to be nice to a girl and bingo BBFS? Then I woke up.

[Banana Boi]

In other countries like Europe, I's very difficult to fuck bareback! Even with more money in Europe, they don't accept! In Europe 90% will refuse.

In Thailand or Cambodia 90% accept!OK the number is back to 90% now. Thanks for clarifying for all of us who get confused on how many girls in Thailand do BBFS + CIP. I bet ET and others who pre-negotiate BBFS + CIP service isn't even batting 90%.

Oddly the number is 90% in Europe don't do BBFS. Do you really believe your statement when it comes to Germany? There are tons of BBFS / AO clubs, lots of partytreff clubs, many smaller FKK and brothels where BBFS is a given. Even in a big popular FKK club BBFS is attainable with regular girls. Pretty sure that number accounts for more than 10% of the Germany working girls.

[EihTooms]

OK the number is back to 90% now. Thanks for clarifying for all of us who get confused on how many girls in Thailand do BBFS + CIP. I bet ET and others who pre-negotiate BBFS + CIP service isn't even batting 90%.

Oddly the number is 90% in Europe don't do BBFS. Do you really believe your statement when it comes to Germany? There are tons of BBFS / AO clubs, lots of partytreff clubs, many smaller FKK and brothels where BBFS is a given. Even in a big popular FKK club BBFS is attainable with regular girls. Pretty sure that number accounts for more than 10% of the Germany working girls.Yes, I often see pop up ads for FKKs touting their "Girlfriend Experience," which decades ago was code for "no condom fucking available" for some sex-tourism destinations. Presumably, some FKKs are hanging onto the old school definition of it.

Somewhere along the way "GFE" mutated into meaning something quite a bit less objectively sex-specific and into something that means whatever the escort service or shop menu author wants it to mean vs whatever the prospective customer hopes it means. Essentially objectively nothing and subjectively anything and everything.

But in most cases today (outside of those particular FKKs?) the P4P girl who claims to provide a "GFE" is only playing on the prospective customer's hopes with no intention whatsoever of providing BBFS+CIP as either standard or upcharged service.

[GrapeMan]

Yes, I often see pop up ads for FKKs touting their "Girlfriend Experience," which decades ago was code for "no condom fucking available" for some sex-tourism destinations. Presumably, some FKKs are hanging onto the old school definition of it.

Somewhere along the way "GFE" mutated into meaning something quite a bit less objectively sex-specific and into something that means whatever the escort service or shop menu author wants it to mean vs whatever the prospective customer hopes it means. Essentially objectively nothing and subjectively anything and everything.

But in most cases today (outside of those particular FKKs?) the P4P girl who claims to provide a "GFE" is only playing on the prospective customer's hopes with no intention whatsoever of providing BBFS+CIP as either standard or upcharged service.There's still FKKs and partytreffs and special events things and girls in Netherlands and Germany that do BBFS everything. Less than there used to be but its still plenty available. Its just that any "regular" girl would downright refuse, its got to be the right spot with the girl (s) that specifically advertise they offer it. You can find it without issue, but its not just going to be show up to some random place and it'll happen.

But yes GFE absolutely does not mean BBFS, its a style of experience

[Mens2]

We need to tak about QUALITY.

There's an issue, lads.

And it's not only me who did notice it.

Our regular farang spots are packed with unfuckable ugly girls.

Yesterday evening I was horny and in the mood for walking.

I didn't fuck.

Started in Soi 24 ally: ugly & empty.

Soi 24/1: ugly & empty.

Soi 33: empty.

I was then planning to go to Thonglor for Momo or Pretty: I was too late.

Back to Nana: none even worth a 6.

Today daytime.

Still horny: so I thought. Blowjob bar!

Lolitas: 3 girls, 1 okay.

Kasalong: hell no 1 of those girls would even touch my penis.

Soi 7/1: You start and there are promos for 500 Baht. Ugly & old. Wood: ugly. At the end of ally ladyboys. All bars: girls offering Blowjobs 500-800 Baht. Sex lower than 1 K. I did found 1 cutie, so I got a BJ for 700 baht.

Are there no sexy girls anymore? Sure!

I did bang some hot chicks from Tinder for 1-2 K THB.

There are massage saloons all over the plac with hot & young chicks.

And the Japanese saloons do have a lot of the young ones.

It's just totally different.

[EihTooms]

We need to tak about QUALITY.

There's an issue, lads.

And it's not only me who did notice it.

Our regular farang spots are packed with unfuckable ugly girls.

Yesterday evening I was horny and in the mood for walking.

I didn't fuck.

Started in Soi 24 ally: ugly & empty.

Soi 24/1: ugly & empty.

Soi 33: empty.

I was then planning to go to Thonglor for Momo or Pretty: I was too late.

Back to Nana: none even worth a 6.

Today daytime.

Still horny: so I thought. Blowjob bar!

Lolitas: 3 girls, 1 okay.

Kasalong: hell no 1 of those girls would even touch my penis.

Soi 7/1: You start and there are promos for 500 Baht. Ugly & old. Wood: ugly. At the end of ally ladyboys. All bars: girls offering Blowjobs 500-800 Baht. Sex lower than 1 K. I did found 1 cutie, so I got a BJ for 700 baht.

Are there no sexy girls anymore? Sure!

I did bang some hot chicks from Tinder for 1-2 K THB.

There are massage saloons all over the plac with hot & young chicks.

And the Japanese saloons do have a lot of the young ones.

It's just totally different.lol. No, it's not only you who has noticed. And it isn't just a deficit of lookers. It is also a deficit of sexual skills and/or a willingness to give better service. It is just the opposite of what most Western sensibilities suggest is the proper response to dire economic circumstances. The best of them on both fronts left for their province months ago and might never return.

I have mentioned that most of the guys who are stuck in their home country and unable to get to Thailand should not lose any sleep worrying about how things here are just as they were during normal times in terms of number of girls and percentage of more than doable girls but, ah paradise, the lookers are now really fucking, sucking and swallowing with a passion for rock bottom prices because there are so few customers and they call all the shots. Nope.

To be sure, I feel damn lucky to be living in Bangkok now instead of anywhere in the USA. But, as you said, it's just totally different (from normal times). And, I will add, not exactly better in ways one might assume or fantasize it would be.

I treasure my humble stable of favorite repeats and regulars more than ever these days. I have told friends outside of the country and mentioned here that I have met exactly ONE (1) new girl since the closures that I have even remotely wanted to repeat. And I am more or less on the hunt every day or night I walk outside of my apartment (not massage shops and soapies though, which are not my thing).

The rest of my favorite girls I repeat are the best of the girls I was already seeing during normal times who also happened to need to stay in Bangkok for one reason or another. Mostly because they were semi-freelancers or regular girls with regular jobs here who were staying LT with me once or twice a week for all the usual reasons. A few are go-go girls who soon enough resorted to calling me in advance to see if I am going to their bar any night this week and which night so they can decide if it would be worth traveling to lower Sukhumvit to clock in. Now they just go directly to asking to see me on their night off. 2,000 baht plus taxi for LT that starts before 10PM.

And no way am I going to hard ball negotiate them down to 1,000! As I said, I treasure the good ones I know more than ever who are winners on both fronts; a certain minimum level of attractiveness AND sexual skills and willingness. It's not like that combination is popping up all over the place in abundance these days.

I stopped in Crazy House Soi Cowboy/Soi 23 last Friday night about 8:30PM. That the quality of this bar's line up has declined over the past couple of years is nothing new. But, I swear, I sat through two dance sets, almost 30 naked girls on a stage with only me and one other dude, a Japanese guy, sitting in the place for almost an hour. And there was not one girl on that stage I would fuck for free even if I was not required to cum inside her.

[GinAndTonic555]

Yup went out with some buddies Tuesday hit a bunch Nana gogos and seen nothing. I mean it was terrible out there. I noticed a few hot girls I banged months back moved to offdek. I bought a few LDs and when the girl got closer I wasn't interested. Mind you I had many drinks this night and still couldn't find anything.

Their was a time when the gogos were better in BKK and Pattaya as prices were down and their was still hotties. Now it seems like many of the hottest gogo girls have realized their not making as much and the gogos are devoid of talent. Of course theirs some hotties esp on the weekend but if you're a regular you've likely already banged the few hotties left.

[Danny Duck]

The beginning of the end began when Cops raided Rainbow 4 and kicked out the illegal prostitoots.

On a steady decline since. Covid might have Killed Nana Plaza.

I hear maybe a Park. No appetite for Condos now.

[Gilolo]

OK the number is back to 90% now. Thanks for clarifying for all of us who get confused on how many girls in Thailand do BBFS + CIP. I bet ET and others who pre-negotiate BBFS + CIP service isn't even batting 90%.

Oddly the number is 90% in Europe don't do BBFS. Do you really believe your statement when it comes to Germany? There are tons of BBFS / AO clubs, lots of partytreff clubs, many smaller FKK and brothels where BBFS is a given. Even in a big popular FKK club BBFS is attainable with regular girls. Pretty sure that number accounts for more than 10% of the Germany working girls.Well I was never in Germany so I didn't know it's easy to fuck bareback in Germany. Can you tell me the names of the bordels you go to fuck bareback? Usually in Europe, I love to fuck high sexy escorts and they never accept BBFS. But yes in Thailand and Cambodia, I don't have any problem to fuck bareback the ost sexy working girls of BKK, Pattaya, Phuket, PP. It's so easy! If they don't want, like I say each time, just give 500 or 1000 TIP more and the problem is fixed!

In Europe, even with 100 more they don't accept.

[Oneminuteboy]

Ok maybe that poster was right and I do have very limited knowledge. I'll take the bait here. Other than some countries in SEA, Central America, and South America, I am not familiar with many other countries that "BBFS is becoming standard".

Your knowledge where "BBFS is becoming standard" in the following countries are helpful for me.

Netherlands.

Just some of the countries I have been to and I did not find "BBFS is becoming standard" or I plan to travel to soon as we can begin travel again.I have to disappoint you, but that's definitely not the case in the Netherlands. In all honesty I'm seeing more safe sex being advertised with explicitly saying everything being with condom. One of the reasons I stopped doing my thing in the Netherlands.


I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere and 15 years ago it was a much harder and awkward conversation to talk about no condom now, it is becoming norm.Sorry, but I have to disagree with it becoming the standard over the world. Only way to say something like that is when there are more ads with BBFS than safe sex but with BBBJ.
By default Germany bans it and local Dutch SW are becoming more prude and are even banning BBBJs.

[Turgid]

Yup went out with some buddies Tuesday hit a bunch Nana gogos and seen nothing. I mean it was terrible out there.....Now tell me again why you guys are rushing to get back to Thailand? Me, I'll stick with my stout hookers. I´m sleeping in the comfort of my home and enjoying my familiar environment. They can keep their tests and quarantines.

[Lefeu]

...
Sorry, but I have to disagree with it becoming the standard over the world. Only way to say something like that is when there are more ads with BBFS than safe sex but with BBBJ.
By default Germany bans it and local Dutch SW are becoming more prude and are even banning BBBJs.I think you are underestimating the power of money. Working girls are in the business of selling sex, and they like money. Hence, if you make them a good offer, they may take you on it. I have had BBFS at one the fkks in Germany. Just like when they said no more BBBJ, only CBJ. I still got mostly BBBJ. In Thailand, some wgs aggressively market BBFS in the hope of collecting bigger tips.

[Banana Boi]

Well I was never in Germany so I didn't know it's easy to fuck bareback in Germany. Can you tell me the names of the bordels you go to fuck bareback? Pretty certain you know Germany very well. Call it a hunch.

Look up the Germany AO clubs thread on ISG. However, guys have stopped openly posting BBFS in the Germany threads because it is now officially illegal and they don't want their clubs shut down for good. Guys never posted about BBFS at the big clubs because girls make those guys think they're special that only they are getting BBFS.


But yes in Thailand and Cambodia, I don't have any problem to fuck bareback the ost sexy working girls of BKK, Pattaya, Phuket, PP. It's so easy! If they don't want, like I say each time, just give 500 or 1000 TIP more and the problem is fixed!


Very informative information. What percentage of girls do BBFS anal then CIM then you DFK kthem?

[Gilolo]

Pretty certain you know Germany very well. Call it a hunch.

Look up the Germany AO clubs thread on ISG. However, guys have stopped openly posting BBFS in the Germany threads because it is now officially illegal and they don't want their clubs shut down for good. Guys never posted about BBFS at the big clubs because girls make those guys think they're special that only they are getting BBFS.I don't do anal, I'm not an addict of this! But this year I can say in Thailand and Cambodia they all accepted BBFS. For 2 years, I've a box of condoms I didn't even opened! Just few girls asked me condoms to get more money. And with 500 or 1000 bahts more, girls accept BBFS.

[Gilolo]

The beginning of the end began when Cops raided Rainbow 4 and kicked out the illegal prostitoots.

On a steady decline since. Covid might have Killed Nana Plaza.

I hear maybe a Park. No appetite for Condos now.Oh really? There was a Raid in Rainbow? I love this place in Nana Plaza and Madarin too! I fucked so many girls in Rainbow and Mandarin in 10 years!

[LukasFlirt]

Yup went out with some buddies Tuesday hit a bunch Nana gogos and seen nothing. I mean it was terrible out there. I noticed a few hot girls I banged months back moved to offdek. I bought a few LDs and when the girl got closer I wasn't interested. Mind you I had many drinks this night and still couldn't find anything.

Their was a time when the gogos were better in BKK and Pattaya as prices were down and their was still hotties. Now it seems like many of the hottest gogo girls have realized their not making as much and the gogos are devoid of talent. Of course theirs some hotties esp on the weekend but if you're a regular you've likely already banged the few hotties left.I really hope, some sunny day, that "there" "their" and "they're" is autocorrected because it's f#ng annoying, as a native english speaker, reading this.

[Danny Duck]

Oh really? There was a Raid in Rainbow? I love this place in Nana Plaza and Madarin too! I fucked so many girls in Rainbow and Mandarin in 10 years!About six years ago. Lights went on and Girls had to show prostitoots License. LOL. Never been the same since.

[GinAndTonic555]

I really hope, some sunny day, that "there" "their" and "they're" is autocorrected because it's f#ng annoying, as a native english speaker, reading this.Sorry English isn't my first language. Usually people are impressed with my English. I studied many years to get it this good but some things are hard to get down.

If only I was stuck at home in lockdown like you I might perfect it. Instead I'm BBing these Thai girls every night so have no time. I'll keep them filled up for when you arrive.

[Nyezhov]

Now tell me again why you guys are rushing to get back to Thailand? Me, I'll stick with my stout hookers. Im sleeping in the comfort of my home and enjoying my familiar environment. They can keep their tests and quarantines.And then they wack you with silly costs everywhere. Like if you transit in Taiwan, better have a test and a certificate (in Phnom Phen, they charge $130 for that, god knows what they charge in Bangkok).

[Tummen]

I really hope, some sunny day, that "there" "their" and "they're" is autocorrected because it's f#ng annoying, as a native english speaker, reading this.I find it more annoying with language police. Especially when complaining on people when they are not writing in their native tongue.

I suggest you answer me in Swedish, grammatically correct.

[Pute Nut]

I really hope, some sunny day, that "there" "their" and "they're" is autocorrected because it's f#ng annoying, as a native english speaker, reading this.I suggest that you request capitalization of English at the same time.

[MasterRochi]

Hey guys,

I am going to Bangkok next month, will do my 2 week quarantine, during that time, what would be some good Thai websites that has beautiful escorts and not too expensive?

Not too expensive I mean anything below 3000 baht per hour.

Thanks!

[Banana Boi]

I am going to Bangkok next month, will do my 2 week quarantine, during that time, what would be some good Thai websites that has beautiful escorts and not too expensive?You plan on having escorts come to your room while you are staying at a quarantine hotel? Maybe it's just me but I'm guessing the hotel and Thai immigration have an agreement to monitor you, your room, and visitors while you are under quarantine. I wouldn't risk voiding my stay in Thailand by being caught seeing escorts while I am under quarantine.

However, to answer your question just search for girls on Thai Friendly. they will all be under 3000 baht with some being as low as 1000 baht.

Can I ask how you are getting in to Thailand doing something no one else on here is able to do? Work Visa? Diplomat? Married to Thai? China passport? STV? Purchased condo to get in to Thailand?

[SoberWorld]

You plan on having escorts come to your room while you are staying at a quarantine hotel? Dude,

I seriously hope you are not really really thinking that it's actually possible to get a woman let alone an escort into your hotel during quarantine.

Having said that I will move onto the next part that Banana Boi asked.

I'm living in Germany and have been told by the Thai embassy here that I don't need a visa to enter. (45 days + online extension if needed) I need to fill in the certificate of entry.

I haven't managed to finalize either the flight (Thai airways just announced a good package to. Travel from here accommodation included).

I'm currently looking at the alternative state quarantine hotels and will most probably take a holiday Inn express or something similar at 35 K all inclusive for 16 days and then switch to a different floor (non quarantined) before inmove to Phuket.

Any questions hit me up. It's a bit expensive but I've been working from home for 6 months now and might as well move to Thailand and work from there for a month or two and let loose a bit after a crap year in Germany.

Cheers.

[Christian G]

You plan on having escorts come to your room while you are staying at a quarantine hotel? Maybe it's just me but I'm guessing the hotel and Thai immigration have an agreement to monitor you, your room, and visitors while you are under quarantine. I wouldn't risk voiding my stay in Thailand by being caught seeing escorts while I am under quarantine. I have a couple of friends who just finish their ASQ-Prison time, they said that 2 weeks in the jail-room were a nightmare. Having a guest is 100% impossible.


Can I ask how you are getting in to Thailand doing something no one else on here is able to do? Work Visa? Diplomat? Married to Thai? China passport? STV? Purchased condo to get in to Thailand?Probably most guys don't have a long holidays or don't want to waste their money in ASQ Hotel (like me) because nothing is sure, plenty of FB groups* about ASQ hotels and visas where members talking about their experience, many unlucky guys had big problems with their bookings, Embassy and CoE and waste alot of time and money. Or they have a problem with their insurance while on quarantine.

Anyway, many over50 yo men go back in Thailand with their O-A and O-X visas.

Now STV, SETV and 30/45 days visa waiver are available. STV for my country have rigid and absurd rules, more easy to ask for SETV.

* https://www.facebook.com/groups/farangsstrandedabroad reading the experiences and problems on this group makes me pass the desire to try to apply for the SETV.

[GrapeMan]

Hey guys, I am going to Bangkok next month, will do my 2 week quarantine, during that time, what would be some good Thai websites that has beautiful escorts and not too expensive? Not too expensive I mean anything below 3000 baht per hour. Yeah. Thats not happening. You're in solitary confinement for 2 weeks.

[Banana Boi]

I have a couple of friends who just finish their ASQ-Prison time, they said that 2 weeks in the jail-room were a nightmare. Having a guest is 100% impossible.Wondering if you know. How do you get food? Are you at least allowed to go outside to buy food off of nearby street carts or restaurants, allowed to order food delivered, or are you at the mercy of room service? If the first 2 I'd be ok but if it's hotel food only I'd get so frustrated unless the food is damn good.

I'm the type of guy who needs a walk in fresh air daily whether it be -40 F/C in Finland or 50 C in Vegas.

[SoberWorld]

How do you get food? Are you at least allowed to go outside to buy food off of nearby street carts or restaurants, Friends in quarantine said meals were 3 times a day, and no food from. Outside since they needed to maintain quarantine for guests and couldn't allow the chance of getting infected by letting people off the streets come in.

Have a look at this video. It's informative and was made to give an idea into what quarantine entails.

https://www.facebook.com/201522813361936/posts/1800106936836841/

[Danny Duck]

Wondering if you know. How do you get food? Are you at least allowed to go outside to buy food off of nearby street carts or restaurants, allowed to order food delivered, or are you at the mercy of room service? If the first 2 I'd be ok but if it's hotel food only I'd get so frustrated unless the food is damn good.

I'm the type of guy who needs a walk in fresh air daily whether it be -40 F/C in Finland or 50 C in Vegas.Start your YouTube journey to nowhere. LOL.

Many bloggers blog about the whole experience. From paperwork to actual stay in Hotel.

Some of those Hotels are top quality. Of course you are paying.

After a few days they do let you go outside. Usually pool area.

[Christian G]

Wondering if you know. How do you get food? Are you at least allowed to go outside to buy food off of nearby street carts or restaurants, allowed to order food delivered, or are you at the mercy of room service? If the first 2 I'd be ok but if it's hotel food only I'd get so frustrated unless the food is damn good.
I'm the type of guy who needs a walk in fresh air daily whether it be -40 F/C in Finland or 50 C in Vegas.Walking outside to buy food? LOL. You can't leave the hotel for 15 days! You are in jail. After the first test on day 5 you can booking 40 min or 1 HR (change from hotel to hotel) outside your room in the hotel facilities (swimming pool or gym). So is better you booking a resort hotel with alot of facilities and room with big balcony.

Some hotels allowed you to order food delivered after your first test (but I think not all hotels allowed this), or you can have some relatives / friends that bring to you some food and the hotel staff will bring up to your room (but again not all hotel seems to have the same rules and some hotels don't allowed fresh food in the room from your friends / relatives).

Usually hotels have thai and western menu, anyway if you check the link I posted you will see alot of food's pics.

I read good reviews about Best Bella in Pattaya, here their menu: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMGpmRjSby5SaIHj4lWVhq1aRIKn7n9wFCI3mCSlR2m1ttcWMgxNGUA9xK7sX3yAA?key=clZhMDY5Nk1YZFpjUXdoMkRaS0JmMXZZZjlBQ0tn

My biggest concern is whether you test positive or postivie asymptomatic during quarantine. Read here: " I'the like to share my story for anyone who wants to know what happens if you test positive in asq.

I had my first covid test in lohas hotel on day 5, results are normally given the next day but not for me which made me a bit nervous, day 7 at 12:30 the hotel phone rang and straight away I new what was coming.

Lady on the phone said your result is positive and now you have to pack your bag and a van will take you to hospital at 1300, I expected disease control at the door in hazmat suits but it was the same Porter who showed me to my room on the first day, down to the waiting mini van and off to Bangkok9 international hospital.

Greeted with big Thai smiles at the hospital I was escorted to a private room very similar to the hotel room but with a hospital beg that I couldn't sleep on so slept on the sofa.

Nurse gave me paperwork to sign agreeing to treatment and took a blood sample and a copy of my insurance, I asked what exactly will happen and with very little English she said have to talk with the doctor.

So now I have no idea how long I will be here and how much it will cost me, the ward has a line group but I didn't get any answers on that.

Day 3 in the hospital the doctor called me and said my blood results confirm covid19 and asked about my condition, she said I will have to take another re-pcr test in 1 week to be discharged.

After doing a bit of research and reading Thailand's protocol for treating covid patients I should not have another test if I stay in hospital untill 10 days after my first test and don't have any symptoms for 48 hours but this just fell on deaf ears and they insisted I have a test again.

A doctor from acs insurance company called me and asked if I had any symptoms I confirmed I did and he said they will pay direct to the hospital even on Christmas Day.

On Christmas Eve I had the pcr test at 0830 and that was the longest day I've ever had waiting for the result untill 2100 which came back as negative, so on Christmas Day I was told as soon as the insurance company give an agreement to pay the 105,000 b bill I can go, at 1330 everything was completed and I was free to leave.

Spoke with lohas hotel and they said they couldn't refund any monies for the hotel booking as they can't sell the room again which I completely understand but they are willing to refund half the hospitals fee to them which is 7000 b so I'm happy with that.

So I left the hospital on the same day I would have finished asq and ACS Global Insurance gave a speedy service but just be aware if I didn't have any symptoms they wouldn't have covered it. ".

[NicFrenchy]

Walking outside to buy food? LOL. You can't leave the hotel for 15 days! You are in jail.You really were in prison! God damn that food looks like something they'd serve in Bangkok Hilton.

And yes, it still baffles me how many folks think Quarantine is like staying in a normal hotel. It's not, you stay in your room and that's it. No visitors and no going outside.

Great post BTW.

[Christian G]

You really were in prison! God damn that food looks like something they'd serve in Bangkok Hilton.More food pics in this FB group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1859391754195276/?notif_id=1609043057206280&notif_t=group_r2j_approved&ref=notif.


And yes, it still baffles me how many folks think Quarantine is like staying in a normal hotel. It's not, you stay in your room and that's it. No visitors and no going outside.Last but not least untill day 6 no cleaning room available.

[Lee66]

I have heard false positive test are getting more frequent. The r -pcr test depends on how many times sample is amplified. The tester decides, politics come into play. If you test positive in quarantine, you go to a hospital if asymptomatic? Then you get a treatment or not in Bangkok?

[Christian G]

If you test positive in quarantine, you go to a hospital if asymptomatic? Then you get a treatment or not in Bangkok?For what I have read around if you are tested positive in quarantine they will transfer you to the hospital even if you are asymptomatic and you will stay in the hospital until you are not tested negative.

All covid insurance should cover you in any case but seems some insurance company will try to not paid your bill if you are positive asymptomatic.

15 nights in quarantine are very hard IMHO but the real nightmare is if you are tested false positive or you positive asymptomatic.

[Run Mann]

For what I have read around if you are tested positive in quarantine they will transfer you to the hospital even if you are asymptomatic and you will stay in the hospital until you are not tested negative.
You mean until you ARE tested negative. Here are the rules:

Quarantine requirements.

All travellers to Thailand, are required to complete 14 days quarantine at a State Quarantine or Alternative State Quarantine (ASQ) facility.

If you test positive whilst in ASQ:

You and anybody travelling with you will automatically be transferred to hospital and held in isolation.

You will be required to remain in hospital for 14 days, even if you have a negative test.

If you test positive you will be required to provide 2 negative tests, 5 days apart, before being considered for release.

If you still test positive after 14 days, the hospital may consider further quarantine either in hospital or self-isolating at home.

[Banana Boi]

You and anybody travelling with you will automatically be transferred to hospital and held in isolation.
Good to know. If traveling with a group of buddies tell IO you are alone.

[Enigma Man]

Hello,

Wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to find non-local talent in BKK these days, and if so, where one might do so.

[Crocodilexp]

Good to know. If traveling with a group of buddies tell IO you are alone.When crossing borders, better to always be alone. No point in getting anyone else into whatever trouble you're in (or vice versa). In addition, a friend is useful when you need outside help.

[Dg8787]

Hello,

Wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to find non-local talent in BKK these days, and if so, where one might do so.Find non-local in BKK? Generally non-local would not be local. I would look in non-local areas!

[Enigma Man]

Find non-local in BKK? Generally non-local would not be local. I would look in non-local areas!Heh. Sorry I'm in Bangkok but am new to this uh, hobby. I'm looking for some variety and so am just wondering if it's still possible to find Eastern European or Central Asian girls in the city. I looked online before posting but sources are all pre-Covid and so I'm not sure if the situation has changed since then. Thanks!

[NicFrenchy]

As a new wave of Covid infections bites, the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) has ordered the closure of all entertainment venues from Tuesday until Jan 4.

The order covers bars with hostesses, horse-racing tracks and cockfighting arenas and other entertainment venues including massage parlours. However, pubs and restaurants can stay open as long as they serve only food and drinks, and close by midnight.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2042515/sweeping-closures-in-city

[Berrys66]

Glamour in Patpong are the latest nightlife Covid-19 casualty with the owners taking the decision to call it quits and hand back the keys.

[Berrys66]

Daily News reported that migrant workers from Laos and Myanmar were shocked to find that their condo was sealed off by barbed wire yesterday and they were forbidden to go out or enter without permission.

The extraordinary measures were enacted after orders from the Nonthaburi governor Sujin Chaichumsak following a spike in cases in the province that borders the capital Bangkok. Twenty one more cases were reported taking the total to 58.

The "pink condo" and areas in Moo 5 and Moo 6 including the Bang Yai market were placed under the highest level of restrictions. Red. The rest of the province is in the second tier or Orange level of alert.

Yesterday evening deputy governor Nisakorn Wisitsorn-at went with the Bang Yai police chief and a contingent of seventy soldiers and police to the seven story condo in Moo 6 that has been ordered sealed off until January 1st.

They placed barbed wire and set up a checkpoint, said Daily News. The condo is home to many migrant workers from Laos, Myanmar and the Thai Yai ethnic group.

They had interpreters with them to explain the governor's order saying they could only go out with permission.

Wider restrictions are also in place in the Bang Yai City area until January 12th with places such as banks and convenience stores subject to severe restrictions.

Thaivisa notes that many foreign migrants feel they are being unfairly singled out by the authorities as Thailand is now gripped by a new wave of Covid infections.

Source: Daily News.

[Turgid]

Glamour in Patpong are the latest nightlife Covid-19 casualty with the owners taking the decision to call it quits and hand back the keys.Never thought I´d ever say this but right now I´d rather be in the US than in Thailand.

[PedroMorales]

Glamour in Patpong are the latest nightlife Covid-19 casualty with the owners taking the decision to call it quits and hand back the keys.Not being a smart ass, but who did they hand the keys back to? It is hard to see anyone going / being allowed to go there for the foreseeable future.

I should be travelling in Europe shortly but I can't see much bonking on the horizon.

[Danny Duck]

Daily News reported that migrant workers from Laos and Myanmar were shocked to find that their condo was sealed off by barbed wire yesterday and they were forbidden to go out or enter without permission.

The extraordinary measures were enacted after orders from the Nonthaburi governor Sujin Chaichumsak following a spike in cases in the province that borders the capital Bangkok. Twenty one more cases were reported taking the total to 58.

The "pink condo" and areas in Moo 5 and Moo 6 including the Bang Yai market were placed under the highest level of restrictions. Red. The rest of the province is in the second tier or Orange level of alert.

Yesterday evening deputy governor Nisakorn Wisitsorn-at went with the Bang Yai police chief and a contingent of seventy soldiers and police to the seven story condo in Moo 6 that has been ordered sealed off until January 1st.

They placed barbed wire and set up a checkpoint, said Daily News. The condo is home to many migrant workers from Laos, Myanmar and the Thai Yai ethnic group.

They had interpreters with them to explain the governor's order saying they could only go out with permission..Isn't this akin to locking the Barn Door after the Buffaloes have gone Fishing.

Covid is already in the general population.

[Banana Boi]

Never thought Id ever say this but right now Id rather be in the US than in Thailand.Depends where in the US. Florida Cali Nevada sure. I'd still rather be in Bangkok now than many States in America bracing for the worst of Winter.

[Turgid]

Depends where in the US. Florida Cali Nevada sure. I'd still rather be in Bangkok now than many States in America bracing for the worst of Winter.Well its pretty cold in NYC but I'm at my own place and hookers are coming through albeit not as sumptuous as the Thai hunnies. But its home sweet home in these terrible times.

[Lebyteme]

Never thought Id ever say this but right now Id rather be in the US than in Thailand.Sorry to say it bro but you are not making the best of the situation LOL. I'd still rather be in Thailand with a 8 pm curfew than to be stuck here in the states.

[Allover]

Depends where in the US. Florida Cali Nevada sure. I'd still rather be in Bangkok now than many States in America bracing for the worst of Winter.I understand FL and NV but California is a disaster. LA is god awful. LA has a 10 pm curfew and is now the world epicenter of the virus. Hospitals completely overwhelmed. It's getting scary. I have a regular girl who is afraid to visit now. I would prefer to be in Thailand but I'm concerned about how they will manage their second wave.

[Danny Duck]

Depends where in the US. Florida Cali Nevada sure. I'd still rather be in Bangkok now than many States in America bracing for the worst of Winter.Just spent 105 in Vegas in my Mgm Vegas condo.

Nothing going on in Vegas.

[NicFrenchy]

https://www.thaienquirer.com/22198/bangkok-introduces-new-measures-to-combat-covid/

It's getting a little serious.

[Turgid]

Sorry to say it bro but you are not making the best of the situation LOL. I'd still rather be in Thailand with a 8 pm curfew than to be stuck here in the states.Its not just the curfew its all the red tape, the hassle of travelling right now, the quarantine and the closure of our favorite 'watering holes'.

[EihTooms]

Its not just the curfew its all the red tape, the hassle of travelling right now, the quarantine and the closure of our favorite 'watering holes'.I don't know. The weather here in Bangkok is pretty damn nice these days. Yes, it was sad to walk past all the closed bars and massage shops around lower Sukhumvit on my way back to my apartment after dinner around 7pm. Sad for the people who work in them and I know really need the money.

By far most of my mongering over the past couple of years has been from dating sites and casual introductions in malls, restaurants, public transportation, etc. And I am not really a drinker. So the negative impact for me that bars and such are closing is minimal.

And I am fine with takeaway food for me and my date for the evening.

On the other hand, since about 7pm tonight my dating site profiles have been on fire with "Likes", Matches and "Interested in you" hits and messages from a higher percentage of attractive looking girls in their 20's than I have ever gotten in a single night.

We'll see how this goes.

I'm still saying it's better for me here than anywhere in the USA.

[HorseTrader]

By far most of my mongering over the past couple of years has been from dating sites and casual introductions in malls, restaurants, public transportation, etc. The "casual introductions" in public places is where I've found the best quality experiences, but it seems to take a week or two before I find the next one of those. While those have been free, it doesn't result in guaranteed sex on the first date.

[NicFrenchy]

While those have been free, it doesn't result in guaranteed sex on the first date.It could, if you spend a few days chatting over LINE and a casual video call here and there.

I found that it is very easy to escalate to kinky stuff over chat first, making it almost a guaranteed lay on the first meet.

(I won't reveal my ways, but it works 9/10 times). Ok, granted I'm lucky I don't look like Danny De Vito. But almost any girl can be talked into naughty stuff as long as you respect the basic steps.

[Lefeu]

I understand FL and NV but California is a disaster. LA is god awful. LA has a 10 pm curfew and is now the world epicenter of the virus. Hospitals completely overwhelmed. It's getting scary. I have a regular girl who is afraid to visit now. I would prefer to be in Thailand but I'm concerned about how they will manage their second wave.Sorry my friend but I disagree. I live in Northern California and I have no problem getting laid. It's just a question of how much money I am willing to shed and my stamina. I also believe it's the same in LA. Although many folks from LA prefer to head down to Tijuana, as it is much cheaper there. Mongers don't seem too concerned about the virus.

[HorseTrader]

It could, if you spend a few days chatting over LINE and a casual video call here and there.

I found that it is very easy to escalate to kinky stuff over chat first, making it almost a guaranteed lay on the first meet.

(I won't reveal my ways, but it works 9/10 times). Ok, granted I'm lucky I don't look like Danny De Vito. But almost any girl can be talked into naughty stuff as long as you respect the basic steps.I agree and that is my standard way of doing things, but I'm much lower than 9/10 successful. I'm more like 6/10. The video chats with the other 4/10 typically reveal some sort of issue and I don't want to move forward. But, the good ones have been exceptional and resulted in several consecutive overnight stays. They typically have daytime jobs, but are available evening and overnight. These are not hookers and some are looking to live in a western country with a farang husband. My buddy met a nice professional Thai girl this way and is now happily married to her in USA.

[Turgid]

Sorry my friend but I disagree. I live in Northern California and I have no problem getting laid. It's just a question of how much money I am willing to shed and my stamina. I also believe it's the same in LA. Although many folks from LA prefer to head down to Tijuana, as it is much cheaper there. Mongers don't seem too concerned about the virus.I live on the east coast and have no problem getting laid as well. My savings have also steadily climbed since March even though I am paying more per babe compared to what I pay in my mongering destinations. The downside is the quality of girls compared to elsewhere (I like them slim and slender and that is a rarity here (1 out of 10)) but that is not a sufficient motivation for me to hop on a plane right now.

[Fmc858]

Hey guys,

New guy here, saying Hello,. I just booked a one-way ticket to Bangkok for April 30. Between now and departure I will be booking an exit flight for some time in early August. I plan to stay at least 30 days in the city of Bangkok in an AirBnb. From there I might make some trips to other destinations but it's all ***. I need to figure out all of the visa stuff and do a bunch of reading here. I want to say thanks in advance for all of the information here on the board.

I took a trip to Medellin in 2019 so I have been minimally active on that board but otherwise, I am still quite new here on ISG.

I am all about adventure and learning as I go. Hopefully, I will be able to provide some value as well along the way.

Cheers and happy 2021!

[Allover]

Sorry my friend but I disagree. I live in Northern California and I have no problem getting laid. It's just a question of how much money I am willing to shed and my stamina. I also believe it's the same in LA. Although many folks from LA prefer to head down to Tijuana, as it is much cheaper there. Mongers don't seem too concerned about the virus.You are correct that is still possible to get laid. But I fall into the category of a monger that is concerned about the virus. My work in hospitals has led me to stay away from the hobby. I know from associates what hospitals are dealing with here now. My best regular girl is afraid to come over. I'll probably be in Tijuana 14 days after my second injection.

[GrapeMan]

Hey guys,

New guy here, saying Hello,. I just booked a one-way ticket to Bangkok for April 30. Between now and departure I will be booking an exit flight for some time in early August. I plan to stay at least 30 days in the city of Bangkok in an AirBnb. From there I might make some trips to other destinations but it's all ***. I need to figure out all of the visa stuff and do a bunch of reading here. I want to say thanks in advance for all of the information here on the board.

I took a trip to Medellin in 2019 so I have been minimally active on that board but otherwise, I am still quite new here on ISG.

I am all about adventure and learning as I go. Hopefully, I will be able to provide some value as well along the way.

Cheers and happy 2021!Well good luck man! Hey just to start off. No one knows what the situation will be in Thailand when you are on your way, so keep up to date. Second, since its your first time in thailand I'd suggest starting off at some of the more famous MPs to get your juices flowing and have an easier path in to the thai scene. The PSE ones: Tulip and Snow White are great for the PSE. Other notable ones like Mango, Bamboo, and Cherry don't offer quite as good service but generally have better looking ladies.

Lastly. 30 days straight in Bangkok for a new traveler is a hell of a lot. Unless you're in a non-stop monger situation, get out and explore, Bangkok is a hub so you can always get back easily. There's a TON to like about Bangkok, but it takes some time to learn and adjust to from the things that are bad about it, and the rest of the country is quite different and a big part of the trip. Most travelers to thailand--especially their first time-- limit the amount of time in Bangkok. But if you're mongering, of course its a major spot, along with Pattaya, which is only a couple hours away. A lot of people kinda hate bangkok when they first get to thailand, it can be a lot to take, but to each their own. I love it, but it took time to learn it and if I would have stayed there a month straight my first time in thailand, that would have sucked.

[Fmc858]

Well good luck man! Hey just to start off. No one knows what the situation will be in Thailand when you are on your way, so keep up to date. Second, since its your first time in thailand I'd suggest starting off at some of the more famous MPs to get your juices flowing and have an easier path in to the thai scene. The PSE ones: Tulip and Snow White are great for the PSE. Other notable ones like Mango, Bamboo, and Cherry don't offer quite as good service but generally have better looking ladies.

Lastly. 30 days straight in Bangkok for a new traveler is a hell of a lot. Unless you're in a non-stop monger situation, get out and explore, Bangkok is a hub so you can always get back easily. There's a TON to like about Bangkok, but it takes some time to learn and adjust to from the things that are bad about it, and the rest of the country is quite different and a big part of the trip. Most travelers to thailand--especially their first time-- limit the amount of time in Bangkok. But if you're mongering, of course its a major spot, along with Pattaya, which is only a couple hours away. A lot of people kinda hate bangkok when they first get to thailand, it can be a lot to take, but to each their own. I love it, but it took time to learn it and if I would have stayed there a month straight my first time in thailand, that would have sucked.I really appreciate the info! Thanks for taking the time. Yeah, I am excited and very much terrified but I have been wanting to do something adventurous like this for a few years. I am self-employed, so I will be working while there trying to ramp up my business. Essentially, I am selling all of my stuff and taking this trip to kick off a digital nomad lifestyle. I could fall on my face but I think it will be quite the learning experience about myself and a culture completely different than mine.

My plan is to arrive in BKK and do the quarantine period followed by a month-long stay in an AirBnb. This looks to be the most bang for the buck as far as comfortable housing is concerned. It will just be a matter of me researching a good spot. I would like to be close to BJ bars because I think I will be frequenting them most often. I tend to lean towards getting that release and moving on with my day. Probably play the tinder game along with it. No doubt I will check out your suggested bars though. I am not much of a drinker partier though so that scene doesn't appeal a ton to me. Maybe it will when I try it tho.

After the first 45 days, including the quarantine, I want to check out some other parts of the country and hopefully some islands or chang mai. I am all about exploring new places. Definitely not about staying in one spot just to monger. I want to have as many fun and eye-opening experiences as possible.

Right now I need to figure out if I can do the STV, COE, and ASQ now or if I need to wait so it's within a certain window before leaving.

Will share what I learn as I go. Thanks again!

[TConor]

Well good luck man! Hey just to start off. No one knows what the situation will be in Thailand when you are on your way, so keep up to date. Second, since its your first time in thailand I'd suggest starting off at some of the more famous MPs to get your juices flowing and have an easier path in to the thai scene. The PSE ones: Tulip and Snow White are great for the PSE. Other notable ones like Mango, Bamboo, and Cherry don't offer quite as good service but generally have better looking ladies.

Lastly. 30 days straight in Bangkok for a new traveler is a hell of a lot. Unless you're in a non-stop monger situation, get out and explore, Bangkok is a hub so you can always get back easily. There's a TON to like about Bangkok, but it takes some time to learn and adjust to from the things that are bad about it, and the rest of the country is quite different and a big part of the trip. Most travelers to thailand--especially their first time-- limit the amount of time in Bangkok. But if you're mongering, of course its a major spot, along with Pattaya, which is only a couple hours away. A lot of people kinda hate bangkok when they first get to thailand, it can be a lot to take, but to each their own. I love it, but it took time to learn it and if I would have stayed there a month straight my first time in thailand, that would have sucked.With out a COE he is out of luck and 30 - 15 = 15 I. E. Quarantine. Sorry April 30 to August is way more than 30 days? I wonder what kind of visa??? STV - 5555

[TConor]

Hey guys,

New guy here, saying Hello,. I just booked a one-way ticket to Bangkok for April 30. Between now and departure I will be booking an exit flight for some time in early August. I plan to stay at least 30 days in the city of Bangkok in an AirBnb. From there I might make some trips to other destinations but it's all ***. I need to figure out all of the visa stuff and do a bunch of reading here. I want to say thanks in advance for all of the information here on the board.

I took a trip to Medellin in 2019 so I have been minimally active on that board but otherwise, I am still quite new here on ISG.

I am all about adventure and learning as I go. Hopefully, I will be able to provide some value as well along the way.

Cheers and happy 2021!I hope not on EVA as they do not allow ANY transits any more. Sounds like a complete ban on transit through Taipei.

https://www.evaair.com/en-global/about-eva-air/news/travel-news/2020-12-30-transit-services-news.html

[SinfullyKorean]

I understand FL and NV but California is a disaster. LA is god awful. LA has a 10 pm curfew and is now the world epicenter of the virus. Hospitals completely overwhelmed. It's getting scary. I have a regular girl who is afraid to visit now. I would prefer to be in Thailand but I'm concerned about how they will manage their second wave.It's not nearly as bad as you make it sound. I live just south of LA, but have been mongering on a weekly basis. Soooo many beautiful Korean girls here in SoCal. I know some that like to go south of the border, where it's about 50% cheaper than the kgirls. But service is usually nowhere near what you get with LA / OC kgirls.

The curfew situation does seem to be a mess. In the sense that a lot of the county officials are against them and are refusing to enforce them (e. G. Sheriff dept).

[SinfullyKorean]

With out a COE he is out of luck and 30 - 15 = 15 I. E. Quarantine. Sorry April 30 to August is way more than 30 days? I wonder what kind of visa??? STV - 5555Everything you just asked about was in his post.

1. 45 days in BKK including the 14 day quarantine. Then, visit other parts of the country.

2. he "needs to figure out if I can do the STV, COE, and ASQ now or if I need to wait so it's within a certain window before leaving. ".

Best of luck to you, Fmc858. I've taken a trip there 3 times, last time being in Dec 2019. First time was definitely intimidating, but FUN! Got scammed a couple times (paid for LT, she stayed for ST). But you learn as you play.

Of course, there will be hurdles due to the pandemic. Hobbying scene's probably mellowed down quite a bit. Keep us posted. I'm sure it will help many other inquiring minds as well.

[Pwrmnd]

My plan is to arrive in BKK and do the quarantine period followed by a month-long stay in an AirBnb. This looks to be the most bang for the buck as far as comfortable housing is concerned. It will just be a matter of me researching a good spot. I would like to be close to BJ bars because I think I will be frequenting them most often. I tend to lean towards getting that release and moving on with my day. Probably play the tinder game along with it. No doubt I will check out your suggested bars though. I am not much of a drinker partier though so that scene doesn't appeal a ton to me. Maybe it will when I try it tho.

After the first 45 days, including the quarantine, I want to check out some other parts of the country and hopefully some islands or chang mai. I am all about exploring new places. Definitely not about staying in one spot just to monger. I want to have as many fun and eye-opening experiences as possible.

Right now I need to figure out if I can do the STV, COE, and ASQ now or if I need to wait so it's within a certain window before leaving.
I wouldn't do the forms or ASQ bookings more than 30 days in advance because the rules keep changing. They are almost guaranteed to change again before April. You'll also have to redo the COE if your flights change.

Air-BnB might still be the cheapest option, but hotel prices have come way down.

[GrapeMan]

I wouldn't do the forms or ASQ bookings more than 30 days in advance because the rules keep changing. They are almost guaranteed to change again before April. You'll also have to redo the COE if your flights change.

Air-BnB might still be the cheapest option, but hotel prices have come way down.I mean, at this point, no reason to even book anything. Just wait and see how it goes. It so up in the air right now, we don't know what that time of the year will look like. Booking anything that isn't fully refundable seems like just a guess at this point.

[GrapeMan]

After the first 45 days, including the quarantine, I want to check out some other parts of the country and hopefully some islands or chang mai. I am all about exploring new places. Definitely not about staying in one spot just to monger. I want to have as many fun and eye-opening experiences as possible.

Right now I need to figure out if I can do the STV, COE, and ASQ now or if I need to wait so it's within a certain window before leaving.

Will share what I learn as I go. Thanks again!Back to one of my first statements. If you are doing digital nomad and want to explore and such, just pop into Bangkok for a a bit then move on to elsewhere in thailand then come back. Bangkok is a LOT to take for a first stop and you'll get mad at it fairly quickly. Check it out, go explore, then come back. Most tourists hate it the first time they arrive, and even now as a tourist, well, there is no tourism, so a lot of places that would be more open and lively for you won't be open.

All that said. Again, we have no idea what the situation will be in April / May with quarantine, and who knows what the tourist situation is. You may be experiencing a tourist-thailand that is quite different than the past until things ramp back up. Right now tourism is basically dead, and that's a huge draw for many people to the country.

[Fmc858]

Thanks, everyone. The consensus here and on other boards seems to be to hold off until March 1 at the earliest before starting to make moves with the COE, STV, ASQ, etc. Lots of acronyms there. Feel like I am in the office.

Either way, something to look forward to. I was previously thinking I would head back to South America because (IMO) the women there, specifically Colombia / Brazil / Argentinean, are at the top of the food chain. But I actually like the fact that Thailand has been more successful in controlling covid numbers. Plus, higher-end hotels and AirBnBs seem much less expensive in BKK and in the rest of Thailand.

And the fact that they have BJ bars. Seriously? Might never leave!

Thanks again!

[NicFrenchy]

the fact that they have BJ bars. Seriously? Might never leave! That may be true, it's difficult to leave Thailand when coming here for mongering.

The best tip I can give you, is to see these girls for what they are: sex workers. (and I say that with all the respect in the world).

The biggest mistake westerners make is to get attached to the first girl they shag, and end up either taking them for a long time or being afraid to take another girl from that bar where the girl works.

These ladies are not your girlfriends, explore, change girls, have fun. It's all business.

Sure repeat visits may yield a better GF experience, but it can also give the girls the impression you are smitten and the GF drama comes out.

You are the customer and you are in control, be respectful of the ladies but don't be a pushover, call them out on their behavior if they do not perform (they can have off days, but not at your expense).

[Berrys66]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9112693/JOHN-NAISH-face-life-death-game-against-mutant-viruses.html

Just when we thought we were about to defeat Covid-19 by launching our Oxford vaccine, an alarming strain of the virus has emerged to strike fear into the ministers and experts fighting the pandemic.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock admitted yesterday that he is 'incredibly worried' about the fast-spreading mutant strain that has emerged in South Africa.

The new variant appears to have evolved weapons that may defeat both the Oxford jab – finally launched in the UK yesterday – and Pfizer's vaccine, which was first administered a month ago.

Hancock warned that the South African strain may cause even more problems than the strain first discovered in Kent and which is blamed for propelling the surge in infections currently crippling Britain.

Indeed, several countries – including the UK – have now banned all flights from South Africa.

The Health Secretary is not alone in his concerns. One of the Oxford vaccine team's key members, Professor Sir John Bell, has also expressed concern.

Nevertheless, cynics are swarming on social media to accuse Hancock of fearmongering in order to frighten the country into tighter lockdowns.

A cool look at the evidence suggests that Mr Hancock is wise to be alarmed. The South African mutant, '501. V2', has already been found in two places in Britain.

South Africa has now confirmed 1.1 million Covid-19 infections and almost 30,000 deaths since the outbreak began in March.

Doctors there are already struggling with the new strain, which seems to spread far more easily than its predecessors.

Swabs from patients there show that the mutant strain multiplies far more vigorously in the nose and mouth – which can make it easier to spread via talking and breathing.

This boosted virulence may also defeat robustly youthful immune defenses. South Africa's health minister has warned that 'young, previously healthy people are now becoming very sick'.

[SinfullyKorean]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9112693/JOHN-NAISH-face-life-death-game-against-mutant-viruses.html

Just when we thought we were about to defeat Covid-19 by launching our Oxford vaccine, an alarming strain of the virus has emerged to strike fear into the ministers and experts fighting the pandemic.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock admitted yesterday that he is 'incredibly worried' about the fast-spreading mutant strain that has emerged in South Africa.
This boosted virulence may also defeat robustly youthful immune defenses. South Africa's health minister has warned that 'young, previously healthy people are now becoming very sick'.That's horrible news. Fauci's also saying it's most likely already in the states. I'm really glad I already got infected and recovered. But I wonder if my antibodies would protect me against this new strain. If they're saying the pfizer vaccines won't work against this strain, previously infected people may also no longer be immune.

If news like this keeps popping up, where there doesn't seem to be any hope of controlling the virus, I feel like the only solution will be to just open up and socially distance. How long are we going to live in fear of this disease that kills such a small percentage? By current plans, it's going on 2 years already (end of this year). With bad news like these, it may be longer.

[Fmc858]

That's horrible news. Fauci's also saying it's most likely already in the states. I'm really glad I already got infected and recovered. But I wonder if my antibodies would protect me against this new strain. If they're saying the pfizer vaccines won't work against this strain, previously infected people may also no longer be immune.

If news like this keeps popping up, where there doesn't seem to be any hope of controlling the virus, I feel like the only solution will be to just open up and socially distance. How long are we going to live in fear of this disease that kills such a small percentage? By current plans, it's going on 2 years already (end of this year). With bad news like these, it may be longer.Sorry. But isn't this a tabloid? Not saying there isn't perhaps some truth to it, but periodicals like this love to stretch the truth to create readers. Their target audience is low-middle income women. Basically, gossip queens that take everything as fact and tell their friends for a reaction.

With that said, the UK strain is in the US. And it is more contagious. Fortunately, from what I have heard, the vaccine is said to be equally as effective. Too bad it's rolling out so slowly.

I concur with your thought though, SinfullyKorean. I believe that eventually, it's just going to have to be social distancing and herd immunity. Perhaps our immune systems will strengthen naturally over time versus strains that aren't as dangerous, resulting in more effectiveness against the most deadly strains further down the road. I am not a doctor though! Haha.

[GrapeMan]

That may be true, it's difficult to leave Thailand when coming here for mongering.

The best tip I can give you, is to see these girls for what they are: sex workers. (and I say that with all the respect in the world).

The biggest mistake westerners make is to get attached to the first girl they shag, and end up either taking them for a long time or being afraid to take another girl from that bar where the girl works.

These ladies are not your girlfriends, explore, change girls, have fun. It's all business.

Sure repeat visits may yield a better GF experience, but it can also give the girls the impression you are smitten and the GF drama comes out.

You are the customer and you are in control, be respectful of the ladies but don't be a pushover, call them out on their behavior if they do not perform (they can have off days, but not at your expense).I wish this was like sticked in the forum. These are sex workers. Not girlfriends. They don't like you, they are in business, you are their customer, and the thing they want more than anything is the money in your wallet. Nothing else, just the money. Their goal is to extract money from you, whatever it takes, that's their goal. Have respect, but this is a business transaction-- you get them, they get your money.

Also, on the last point-- take this to the bedroom. Tell them what you want. Be upfront and explicit. Don't beat around or make hints, just tell them. Don't expect them to know--be clear, they've heard it all before and done it all. Nothing you're asking for is strange or special or unique. If its offered, they'll do it, and they usually offer a whole lot.

[SinfullyKorean]

Sorry. But isn't this a tabloid? Not saying there isn't perhaps some truth to it, but periodicals like this love to stretch the truth to create readers. Their target audience is low-middle income women. Basically, gossip queens that take everything as fact and tell their friends for a reaction.

With that said, the UK strain is in the US. And it is more contagious. Fortunately, from what I have heard, the vaccine is said to be equally as effective. Too bad it's rolling out so slowly.I mean, if you're calling Dr. Fauci a source of gossip and tabloid material, then yes. LOL. Yes, the UK strain is more contagious, but not more lethal than the current common strain. But experts are saying the new virus prevents antibodies from targeting it. We'll know more in the coming few days. But if the current vaccines won't work against this new strain, I don't see any other solution than to just open everything back up.

https://www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-new-south-africa-covid-strain-us-1559041

[LittleBigMan]

I mean, if you're calling Dr. Fauci a source of gossip and tabloid material, then yes. LOL. Yes, the UK strain is more contagious, but not more lethal than the current common strain. But experts are saying the new virus prevents antibodies from targeting it. We'll know more in the coming few days. But if the current vaccines won't work against this new strain, I don't see any other solution than to just open everything back up.

https://www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-new-south-africa-covid-strain-us-1559041Dr. Fauci, thanks for your service but I agree with another Doctor interviewed he changes with the wind and more interested in his image than science. Go back look at his suits in the beginning then look at his dress now! I wouldn't be surprised when this is over he would appear on Dancing with the Stars? It has gotten to a point I think many view him as a quack?

[Berrys66]

Why are nobody using the nasal spray from taffix that kills the covid dead. Its a mystery with all these deaths and cases when they could be zero if nasal spray is used ASAP.

[HorseTrader]

Dr. Fauci, thanks for your service but I agree with another Doctor interviewed he changes with the wind ...Fauci reports extremely simplified versions of the current scientific understanding of the virus and disease. As more research is conducted, the understanding evolves and improves. Regarding his recommendations for society actions, those recommendations will evolve as the virus grows and (hopefully) shrinks.

[LittleBigMan]

Fauci reports extremely simplified versions of the current scientific understanding of the virus and disease. As more research is conducted, the understanding evolves and improves. Regarding his recommendations for society actions, those recommendations will evolve as the virus grows and (hopefully) shrinks.Science? Changing with the wind? But the reality he should lay low and basically do his job. Beginning of the last year he has been noted as saying " not a major threat, then warned the virus will be a apocalyptic pandemic, based many of his prediction on the IHME Models which was off by millions then reverse " you can't rely on models " wrong on Hydroxchloroquine, said cruises were okay Another huge mistake, malls, movies, gym, OK, 2/29 wrong again the list goes on and on! Only in government can someone with this record keep his job. I don't see science leading him any longer he stills looks good for his age but he might be in the same class as Biden?

[NicFrenchy]

Would it be possible to have a COVID orientated thread?

Just so those who want to have mongering info (however scarce) don't have to shuffle through medical opinions and ramblings? But keep it for those interested in their own thread?

Don't flame me please, just an uneducated opinion LOL.

[Danny Duck]

Science? Changing with the wind? But the reality he should lay low and basically do his job. Beginning of the last year he has been noted as saying " not a major threat, then warned the virus will be a apocalyptic pandemic, based many of his prediction on the IHME Models which was off by millions then reverse " you can't rely on models " wrong on Hydroxchloroquine, said cruises were okay Another huge mistake, malls, movies, gym, OK, 2/29 wrong again the list goes on and on! Only in government can someone with this record keep his job. I don't see science leading him any longer he stills looks good for his age but he might be in the same class as Biden?There's lots of people who just want time on National TV. It helps in becoming rich. Wasn't Birx caught visiting her parents. Something the peons not supposed to do. LOL.

[Banana Boi]

Would it be possible to have a COVID orientated thread?

Just so those who want to have mongering info (however scarce) don't have to shuffle through medical opinions and ramblings? But keep it for those interested in their own thread?

Don't flame me please, just an uneducated opinion LOL.Run Mann started one in the Blog section that has 4 posts in 7 months. Guess there is little interest discussing COVID in the Thailand forum.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4165-Coronavirus-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about!

Most guys at least post COVID stuff in General Reports thread.

[LittleBigMan]

Run Mann started one in the Blog section that has 4 posts in 7 months. Guess there is little interest discussing COVID in the Thailand forum.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4165-Coronavirus-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about!

Most guys at least post COVID stuff in General Reports thread.To each his own but you make a great point! I'm in no way of flaming anyone especially Nic, he has been here longer than I but in all the years on ISG I've never suggested a new thread, and here is why based on the history of this website. When people enter the site for Thailand scroll down and look at how many Threads of discussion there are particularly check the dates! Remember close to 20 years ago when I first came on there was like 8 threads sure there are some that were created that are very useful but the majority created due to suggestion is nothing but a wasteland. Remember NicF the guy Giotto? Or the reason why I fought tooth and nails for OldThaiHand as to why he shouldn't have been banned to have his own thread?

As I noted freedom comes with a price sometimes too much isn't a good thing someone doesn't feel the topic suits them at a given moment "let's have a new thread " being a moderator it isn't easy at times they want to make everyone happy be fair and balance so they create a Thread without really thinking scroll down the front page people see the future and history of such a suggestion. A good example presently is when the thread " rearrange of massages " I was against it they had a survey the whole works take a look at the date it was created and the last post dated 2012 before whatever reason all of a sudden it was brought back from the dead 8 years! Then someone suggested separating these two massage parlors because Annies and Tulip was getting all the conversation things to go in cycles just go with the flow like a cheap suit what is popular today isn't going to be tomorrow what goes around comes around?

No matter how many Thread is creating it is impossible to stay on topic everything is related in one way or another the forum is a discussion, not a book on one topic there isn't one person past or present who hasn't stray from a topic including those who make such suggestion. You got posters talking about bareback, safe sex, types of condoms, prices, looks, number system for looks who is overpaying, type of condoms that are used, why don't we give E. Tooms his own forum like Giotto since the virus he has dominated the Thread? Why don't we have a thread for every possible topic of discussion that goes for more than two days or a subject we don't feel is of interest? Be careful what you wish for?

I once was given a warning for being argumentative since I differ from the poster racist and prejudice opinion it was considered argumentative hell there isn't a post or response that doesn't fall close to that definition. Right now when it comes to the opinion of the Virus people read articles and want to express their view and how it might affect the P4 P particularly in Bangkok or Pattaya it is all relevant in some manner. The General Thread was created for " General topic " which really was one of the best moves but recently someone came on and suggested the topic in the discussion shouldn't be in the general thread. Who decides what actually belongs where and when?

Every topic someone doesn't like if people take the time and do some research go to your most popular Thread go back pages and read sooner or later the hot topic of the day will die! Now I will admit the Virus has gone on for a year now and will be with us for even longer? No matter what is done I read and I respond like it or not I just go with the flow it is not a big thing for a need to start another thread! Just my two cents of virus opinion! Go with the flow.

[NicFrenchy]

As I noted freedom comes with a price sometimes too much isn't a good thing someone doesn't feel the topic suits them at a given moment "let's have a new thread " being a moderator it isn't easy at times they want to make everyone happy be fair and balance so they create a Thread without really thinking scroll down the front page people see the future and history of such a suggestion. A good example presently is when the thread " rearrange of massages " I was against it they had a survey the whole works take a look at the date it was created and the last post dated 2012 before whatever reason all of a sudden it was brought back from the dead 8 years! Then someone suggested separating these two massage parlors because Annies and Tulip was getting all the conversation things to go in cycles just go with the flow like a cheap suit what is popular today isn't going to be tomorrow what goes around comes around? Hi LBM,

Yes we go way back and this doesn't make us any younger now does it? LOL.

The only reason why I suggested it was only because I believe (my personal opinion) people come to the Bangkok forum to learn or be up to date about all things related to Bangkok. Same for massages.

Now I don't want to point fingers, that's not the point of this post, but tell me how the below post in any way relates to Bangkok:


Fauci reports extremely simplified versions of the current scientific understanding of the virus and disease. As more research is conducted, the understanding evolves and improves. Regarding his recommendations for society actions, those recommendations will evolve as the virus grows and (hopefully) shrinks. I believe it's ok to stray from time to time, but COVID is a huge topic which I believe deserves it's own space. If I want to discuss Covid in General, in its own thread that is perfectly fine, but when I go to a specific thread (be it BKK, Pattaya, CNX, HKT.) I at least expect the Covid discussions to be somehow related to these places.

As a moderator, it would be very easy to move the COVID discussions if there was such a place, now, there is nowhere to put them. Also, a COVID Thread could have stickies about immigration updates, visa requirements during this pandemic, now the info is so scattered, it's not easy to find also.

I may be wrong, it's just a discussion and an opinion.

Now, since I am in the Bangkok Thread, let's talk mongering. Many shops / bars have closed but the girls are still in business. Some have opened their own LINE accounts where they share their services, photos, and make bookings with their clients. You can visit their room if they have one or they come to you.

I was quoted 2,100 thb for 90 minutes from a slim cutie. (No, sorry but I'm not sharing any contacts if I do not know you. This protects both the girls and myself).

[LittleBigMan]

Hi LBM,

Yes we go way back and this doesn't make us any younger now does it? LOL.

The only reason why I suggested it was only because I believe (my personal opinion) people come to the Bangkok forum to learn or be up to date about all things related to Bangkok. Same for massages.

Now I don't want to point fingers, that's not the point of this post, but tell me how the below post in any way relates to Bangkok:

I believe it's ok to stray from time to time, but COVID is a huge topic which I believe deserves it's own space. If I want to discuss Covid in General, in its own thread that is perfectly fine, but when I go to a specific thread (be it BKK, Pattaya, CNX, HKT.) I at least expect the Covid discussions to be somehow related to these places.

As a moderator, it would be very easy to move the COVID discussions if there was such a place, now, there is nowhere to put them. Also, a COVID Thread could have stickies about immigration updates, visa requirements during this pandemic, now the info is so scattered, it's not easy to find also.

I may be wrong, it's just a discussion and an opinion.

Now, since I am in the Bangkok Thread, let's talk mongering. Many shops / bars have closed but the girls are still in business. Some have opened their own LINE accounts where they share their services, photos, and make bookings with their clients. You can visit their room if they have one or they come to you.

I was quoted 2,100 thb for 90 minutes from a slim cutie. (No, sorry but I'm not sharing any contacts if I do not know you. This protects both the girls and myself).I hope I get it right and all of it for you?

As I noted I just go with the flow, a poster posted what you quoted I merely just gave my opinion to his post whether it should or shouldn't have been there.

Yes if you go to the Bangkok post you should read something related to Bangkok but as noted no one ever stays in the topic lane and I mean no one. Sure the moderator can move or start a thread but as I noted based on the history of the moves people still don't follow people, in general, are lazy they aren't going to run down the forum front page and look for Virus discussion example the massage it was split or reorganized it went unused for 8 years until last month so in my opinion, it would just add to the mess and we will in time end up talking about it again and again?

I agree with the statement you quoted that would have been more suited in general or even a private virus thread it not being it kind of proves my point above people are lazy or just don't get it! There is another website that can't mention you talk about people who don't get I've concluded it is just part of life and as you get older the more it shows up.

I can't speak for the poster but the Virus even you noted has affected so much of our lives it has affected the p4 p as never before Bangkok, Pattaya, worldwide it isn't going to go away and it will affect where people even post?

When you look at the ISG Table of content if that is what one is going to call it? It is never going to happen because it wasn't created by a webpage professional to do what you suggest it would need to be completely revamped.

In the end, I just go with the flow! Enjoy keeping those reports coming good luck!

[Fmc858]

Hey guys,

Just an update, I canceled my trip planned for April 30. The ASQ was going to cost around $1400 USD. When I first was considering the trip I thought it would be less than half that. I should have done more research before booking. Also, the visa requirements and all the hoops I would need to jump through just to (hopefully) be allowed in the country were too much of a logistical nightmare. While certainly doable, my budget and intentions while traveling didn't line up with what reality would be when I arrived. Thanks for weighing in over the past few days. I look forward to catching up in the future! Happy and safe adventures, gentlemen!

[SinfullyKorean]

Hey guys,

Just an update, I canceled my trip planned for April 30. The ASQ was going to cost around $1400 USD. When I first was considering the trip I thought it would be less than half that. I should have done more research before booking. Also, the visa requirements and all the hoops I would need to jump through just to (hopefully) be allowed in the country were too much of a logistical nightmare. While certainly doable, my budget and intentions while traveling didn't line up with what reality would be when I arrived. Thanks for weighing in over the past few days. I look forward to catching up in the future! Happy and safe adventures, gentlemen!Yea, the 1400 I think is minimum. Some quarantine hotels are much nicer and charge much more. Normal hotel fees (non quarantine) are about half that ($50/ day). Good luck in your future efforts to visit Thailand when travel restrictions are lifted!

[Banana Boi]

I canceled my trip planned for April 30. The ASQ was going to cost around $1400 USD. When I first was considering the trip I thought it would be less than half that.I didn't Google an updated ASQ hotel list so maybe it has since changed but there used to be many under 42k baht (1400 USD). There were around 10 of them around or less than 32k baht. Some were just over 25k baht which isn't expensive for 14/15 nights. These prices include meals and transportation.

[Christian G]

There were around 10 of them around or less than 32k baht. Some were just over 25k baht which isn't expensive for 14/15 nights. These prices include meals and transportation.Yes, but probably for 20-25 mq room and without balcony. 15 nights quarantine is a nightmare, but 15 nigths quarantine in a tiny room is worst. Last but not least many of the cheapest are almost always fully booked.

[TConor]

Hey guys,

Just an update, I canceled my trip planned for April 30. The ASQ was going to cost around $1400 USD. When I first was considering the trip I thought it would be less than half that. I should have done more research before booking. Also, the visa requirements and all the hoops I would need to jump through just to (hopefully) be allowed in the country were too much of a logistical nightmare. While certainly doable, my budget and intentions while traveling didn't line up with what reality would be when I arrived. Thanks for weighing in over the past few days. I look forward to catching up in the future! Happy and safe adventures, gentlemen!I recently did my time and in a large 2 room place for considerably more than 42 K. It was still hell. But the baht was weaker 2 months ago. The other down side is returning Thais on your flight were not held to the same standards as a foreigner. How do you think all these new arrivals test positive when they get here but 72 hours before they were neg. On my flight the Thais did not need a neg. Test result to fly home.

[NicFrenchy]

On my flight the Thais did not need a neg. Test result to fly home.That is pretty disturbing news.

One would think that the Airlines would put all their passenger's safety first, regardless of country of origin.

I think measures are tightening up now.

[Banana Boi]

Yes, but probably for 20-25 mq room and without balcony. 15 nights quarantine is a nightmare, but 15 nigths quarantine in a tiny room is worst. Real estate is so expensive where I am now that many people are lucky to even live alone in a room 25 sqm. I personally have no issues living in a 25 sqm room as long as it's clean with no bugs. My first condo in Thailand was only 32 sqm and that was fine living alone. It all depends on your lifestyle in your home country I guess.

[TConor]

Real estate is so expensive where I am now that many people are lucky to even live alone in a room 25 sqm. I personally have no issues living in a 25 sqm room as long as it's clean with no bugs. My first condo in Thailand was only 32 sqm and that was fine living alone. It all depends on your lifestyle in your home country I guess.You were not confined there 24/7 for 15 days.

[TConor]

That is pretty disturbing news.

One would think that the Airlines would put all their passenger's safety first, regardless of country of origin.

I think measures are tightening up now.Why are 16 arrivals today testing positive?

[Christian G]

Real estate is so expensive where I am now that many people are lucky to even live alone in a room 25 sqm. I personally have no issues living in a 25 sqm room as long as it's clean with no bugs. My first condo in Thailand was only 32 sqm and that was fine living alone. It all depends on your lifestyle in your home country I guess.We talking about spending 15 nights, 24 hrs a day in a 20/25 sqm hotel room, IMHO this is completely different. In your home country you can usually leave your apartment everytime you want during the day / night or have guest. In ASQ you are locked in your room alone 24 hrs a day, so a 40/50 sqm is certainly better than a 20/25 sqm. IMHO.

[Christian G]

The other down side is returning Thais on your flight were not held to the same standards as a foreigner. How do you think all these new arrivals test positive when they get here but 72 hours before they were neg. On my flight the Thais did not need a neg. Test result to fly home.Yes, Thai citizens are not required to take the PCR test.

If you want to be sure to travel with all people who have taken the test, you must choose those airline companies that have the obligation to covid-test for all passengers like KLM. If you use Emirates (for example), on the first leg you will be flight with alot of passegers that have not been tested.

[Franciscass]

Had a wander round yesterday. At least 4 shops on 24/1 lane way with one or two girls sitting outside inviting me in. A number of bars open here and there if you want a drink from a cup. Funny to see hardened booze heads having their "afternoon tea".

[NicFrenchy]

Some background I'm a 63 year old white man from the usa with below average looks.I fail to see how that whole post gives any valuable info about Bangkok right now?

Or is there something I'm not seeing?

[Franciscass]

I fail to see how that whole post gives any valuable info about Bangkok right now?

Or is there something I'm not seeing?Well if you were in your 60's, not very attractive looking, in Bangkok at the moment but thinking of going to Mtwapa, Kampala, Nairobi, Montego Bay, Angeles or Cebu lots of good intel there. Sadly if it's Bali, Ukraine or South Africa you're off to not much to go on.

[Berrys66]

What's happening at the thermae? Much action? Any recent reports.

[Danny Duck]

What's happening at the thermae? Much action? Any recent reports.Is Nana Plaza condos Yet?

[Leninha]

Now that is stretching the belief levels. I never saw more than 1 doable girl there (and I mean fuckable since rare for me to do BJ only), but admit have not passed recently.

I agree though that attitude of the customer can make a big difference.I also agree with you.

[Banana Boi]

I also agree with you.Now this is RTFF! Syzygies hasn't posted on ISG for nearly a year.

[WishfulThinker]

A few days ago I was able to spend 1 night in Bangkok. I stayed in a hotel close to the airport and decided to stay in the hotel for the night. On thaifriendly I got in contact with a few girls and there was even an 18 year old girl who wanted to visit me in my hotel with two other girls. But I turned the offer down. I wasn't in the mood.

The next day I had some free time to spend in Bangkok before my evening flight back home. I got the airport rail link into town and explored nana and soi cowboy. Soi cowboy was extremely busy, everywhere there were food stalls and crowds of people buying food. I have never experienced soi cowboy during the day, so its probably normal. I was just surprised at the number of people walking around there (with face masks of course).

I continued my walk and passed kasalong (blow job bar). The door was open and it was extremely dark inside, I saw nobody. But as I walked by I heard someone say "blow job? I didn't react and kept on walking. I was a bit angry at myself because I did feel like a blow job. But just around the corner is Lolita's and exactly the same happened there. Without blinking I jumped inside and was guided up to the first floor after paying 800 baht. I had a really sweet girl and she gave me the best blow job of my life. She grab my hands and put them behind her head insisting I pull her head towards myself; forcing my dick all the way down her throat. That was a great feeling. And when my dick wasn't down her throat, she was wrapping her tongue over the top of my dick and her eyes focusing on my eyes. It was truly amazing. She told me I was her first customer in 4 days. The blow job bar was her only way to earn money as she told me.

I can't wait for everything to get back to normal again. I am going to visit this place again for sure.

[Detwing1]

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[Giotto]

I fail to see how that whole post gives any valuable info about Bangkok right now?

Or is there something I'm not seeing?Frenchy, Frenchy,

I am surprised that you are still alive and post "valuable info about Bangkok" .

I was down in lower Sukhumvit today. I was surprised that Biergarden in Soi 7 was still open! Even in this Covid times, no alcohol sales. At 2 pm there were some girls in there trying to lure customers in.

I think I have to go out and "re-discover" Bangkok.

Giotto.

[UweHertzog459]

A few days ago I was able to spend 1 night in Bangkok. I stayed in a hotel close to the airport and decided to stay in the hotel for the night. On thaifriendly I got in contact with a few girls and there was even an 18 year old girl who wanted to visit me in my hotel with two other girls. But I turned the offer down. I wasn't in the mood.

The next day I had some free time to spend in Bangkok before my evening flight back home. I got the airport rail link into town and explored nana and soi cowboy. Soi cowboy was extremely busy, everywhere there were food stalls and crowds of people buying food. I have never experienced soi cowboy during the day, so its probably normal. I was just surprised at the number of people walking around there (with face masks of course).

I continued my walk and passed kasalong (blow job bar). The door was open and it was extremely dark inside, I saw nobody. But as I walked by I heard someone say "blow job? I didn't react and kept on walking. I was a bit angry at myself because I did feel like a blow job. But just around the corner is Lolita's and exactly the same happened there. Without blinking I jumped inside and was guided up to the first floor after paying 800 baht. I had a really sweet girl and she gave me the best blow job of my life. She grab my hands and put them behind her head insisting I pull her head towards myself; forcing my dick all the way down her throat. That was a great feeling. And when my dick wasn't down her throat, she was wrapping her tongue over the top of my dick and her eyes focusing on my eyes. It was truly amazing. She told me I was her first customer in 4 days. The blow job bar was her only way to earn money as she told me..This is a great experience I am a traveler and my next trip will be to Bangkok and I definitely going blowjob bars Because I really like a blowjob.

[Sonic Bam]

Frenchy, Frenchy,

I am surprised that you are still alive and post "valuable info about Bangkok" .

I was down in lower Sukhumvit today. I was surprised that Biergarden in Soi 7 was still open! Even in this Covid times, no alcohol sales. At 2 pm there were some girls in there trying to lure customers in.

I think I have to go out and "re-discover" Bangkok.

Giotto.Giotto, the same could be said about you! I tried a quick search and it looked like your last post was in 2015 (that could be just how the search function sorts hits though).

I look forward to in depth reporting on the current scene from one so wise!

[Detwing1]

A few days ago I was able to spend 1 night in Bangkok. I stayed in a hotel close to the airport and decided to stay in the hotel for the night. On thaifriendly I got in contact with a few girls and there was even an 18 year old girl who wanted to visit me in my hotel with two other girls. But I turned the offer down. I wasn't in the mood.

The next day I had some free time to spend in Bangkok before my evening flight back home. I got the airport rail link into town and explored nana and soi cowboy. Soi cowboy was extremely busy, everywhere there were food stalls and crowds of people buying food. I have never experienced soi cowboy during the day, so its probably normal. I was just surprised at the number of people walking around there (with face masks of course).

I continued my walk and passed kasalong (blow job bar). The door was open and it was extremely dark inside, I saw nobody. But as I walked by I heard someone say "blow job? I didn't react and kept on walking. I was a bit angry at myself because I did feel like a blow job. But just around the corner is Lolita's and exactly the same happened there. Without blinking I jumped inside and was guided up to the first floor after paying 800 baht. I had a really sweet girl and she gave me the best blow job of my life. She grab my hands and put them behind her head insisting I pull her head towards myself; forcing my dick all the way down her throat. That was a great feeling. And when my dick wasn't down her throat, she was wrapping her tongue over the top of my dick and her eyes focusing on my eyes. It was truly amazing. She told me I was her first customer in 4 days. The blow job bar was her only way to earn money as she told me.

I can't wait for everything to get back to normal again. I am going to visit this place again for sure.Feel bad about my original snarky comment to this post, as I thought it couldn't happen.

However, I took a walk by both places last night to check it out, and I'll be damned if the entrances weren't exactly as described (open and dark inside). Actually at Lolitas, there was a girl sitting outside. Didn't hear anyone whisper an offer for a blowjob, but it seemed certainly possible on the downlow.

[NicFrenchy]

I think I have to go out and "re-discover" Bangkok.

Giotto.You have internet in the mountains?

Happy to tag-along. Would be good to catch up.

[NicFrenchy]

Didn't hear anyone whisper an offer for a blowjob, but it seemed certainly possible on the downlow.In a Blowjob bar? What else is there to do but get blown? I'm just curious I might learn something new LOL.

What is possible on the downlow is Full service, Lolitas surely offers it but there was never any girl nice enough for me to take the plunge.

Star of Light (if it is still open) had some great talent.

[Detwing1]

In a Blowjob bar? What else is there to do but get blown? I'm just curious I might learn something new LOL.

What is possible on the downlow is Full service, Lolitas surely offers it but there was never any girl nice enough for me to take the plunge.

Star of Light (if it is still open) had some great talent.Ahhh I was replying to a previous message and was under the assumption that the blowjob bars are closed per bkk restrictions.

LOL. I fully agree with you on not finding a Lolitas girl worth paying for full service. Only once or twice have I seen anyone from there that I would consider for full service.

[Analogue]

Frenchy, Frenchy,

I am surprised that you are still alive and post "valuable info about Bangkok" .

I was down in lower Sukhumvit today. I was surprised that Biergarden in Soi 7 was still open! Even in this Covid times, no alcohol sales. At 2 pm there were some girls in there trying to lure customers in.

I think I have to go out and "re-discover" Bangkok.

Giotto.Back from the dead?

[GuyBrusg1957]

Hey all,

Does anyone have any updates on the larger soapy massages in Bangkok? I want to take a trip after coronavirus is over but are these places now all shut down? All the info I'm finding on the internet for places like LaBelle, Emmanuel, Maria Entertainment, etc. Looks really old. None of their websites work. It looks like Poseidon is finally shutting down. Is "The Pimp" now the only last club of this type left?

Unhappy ending: Bangkok's biggest massage parlour brothel Poseidon is set to become a hotel after Covid-19 obliterated its business - Daily Mail UK (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9167377/Bangkoks-biggest-massage-parlour-brothel-Poseidon-set-hotel-Covid-19.html)


The biggest brothel in Bangkok is throwing in the towel to become a hotel after its business was devastated by the Covid-19 pandemic.

The 11-storey 'Poseidon' massage parlour in Thailands capital boasted an in-house nightclub, restaurant and hundreds of luxury themed rooms filled with king-size beds and jacuzzis.

But the decor will now be ripped out and replaced as the building is turned into a three-star hotel, with guests being told nothing of its seedy past.

[EihTooms]

What's happening at the thermae? Much action? Any recent reports.Thermae is closed currently. But most nights there are 10-12 girls hanging around outside. A few would be among the better looking ones you might have seen inside during normal times.

I got a big smile and nod from one of the better looking ones I've seen lately standing outside last night about 7pm, which is an hour or two earlier than when most of the girls show up. I thought, this must be that "desperation" thing I've heard about.

"You like ST or LT?", I asked.

"Up to you"

"Great. Everything up to me?"

Big smile. "Of course. But must wear condom."

"For everything? Must wear condom for BJ?"

Shocked look. "YES!!"

"Thanks. Bye"

So much for that "desperation" myth. I guess she got there early to meet the first Japanese tour bus arrival of 2021. I Lined a reliable pre-Covid regular to come to my apartment and had a great LT. She just left at about Noon.

[Detwing1]

Thermae is closed currently. But most nights there are 10-12 girls hanging around outside. A few would be among the better looking ones you might have seen inside during normal times.

I got a big smile and nod from one of the better looking ones I've seen lately standing outside last night about 7pm, which is an hour or two earlier than when most of the girls show up. I thought, this must be that "desperation" thing I've heard about.

"You like ST or LT?", I asked.

"Up to you"

"Great. Everything up to me?"

Big smile. "Of course. But must wear condom."

"For everything? Must wear condom for BJ?"

Shocked look. "YES!!"

"Thanks. Bye"

So much for that "desperation" myth. I guess she got there early to meet the first Japanese tour bus arrival of 2021. I Lined a reliable pre-Covid regular to come to my apartment and had a great LT. She just left at about Noon.I walked by on Friday night and also saw quite a few out in front of Thermae, including a few lookers. I still get the vibe that they're looking for Japanese or Korean only customers.

On a side note, I noticed some guy taking video with his cell phone, so I'm hoping not to be on a Youtube video anytime soon.

[WishfulThinker]

Feel bad about my original snarky comment to this post, as I thought it couldn't happen.

However, I took a walk by both places last night to check it out, and I'll be damned if the entrances weren't exactly as described (open and dark inside). Actually at Lolitas, there was a girl sitting outside. Didn't hear anyone whisper an offer for a blowjob, but it seemed certainly possible on the downlow.Until now I have made two reports for this forum. I'm not the greatest of writers, therefore I'm a bit reluctant to post reports here. Some people have the gift of the gab, and what's on their minds they can express straight away in writing (I don't have that, haha). I made this report because most members were raving on about quarantine (which is quite a hot topic). With my report I tried to change the subject.

At first I was a bit annoyed at Detwing1's remark. But this is a forum and everyone should be able to express what's on their mind. If that's not possible, then what's the point of having a forum. But I'm glad Detwing1 checked it out. Thanks Detwing1.

[Banana Boi]

Until now I have made two reports for this forum. <snip> I made this report because most members were raving on about quarantine (which is quite a hot topic). I can only see 1 report that you made. Nevertheless, thanks for the report. The report is absolutely fine and feel free to report when you are back in town.

Naming the bar, cost, number of girls, age range, looks, service, and attitude are useful information for me.

[EihTooms]

I can only see 1 report that you made. Nevertheless, thanks for the report. The report is absolutely fine and feel free to report when you are back in town.

Naming the bar, cost, number of girls, age range, looks, service, and attitude are useful information for me.Maybe I am only speaking for myself on this issue, but I think some of us in Bangkok now are reluctant to post reviews and info about exactly where and what is going on in town due to the restrictions still in place. Which probably accounts for so few on-the-scene reports lately and so many musings about quarantines, vaccinations and such instead.

There are bars open here and there "secretly" serving booze, of course. Put a lady with a cart out front selling grilled chicken and, hey, now it's a restaurant! And some are fairly packed with girls, nobody wearing masks, social distancing being violated all over the place, staying open much later than permitted. You might even find a go-go bar open every now and then. But the girls are wearing street clothes, not dancing on stage. The barfine is often waved, just pay the girl.

But as long as there are news reports of this and that bar being raided with staff and customers getting arrested and fined for whatever, I have not been posting updates on exactly what is going on where inside a bar.

[Member #4698]

Maybe I am only speaking for myself on this issue, but I think some of us in Bangkok now are reluctant to post reviews and info about exactly where and what is going on in town due to the restrictions still in place. Which probably accounts for so few on-the-scene reports lately and so many musings about quarantines, vaccinations and such instead.

There are bars open here and there "secretly" serving booze, of course. Put a lady with a cart out front selling grilled chicken and, hey, now it's a restaurant! And some are fairly packed with girls, nobody wearing masks, social distancing being violated all over the place, staying open much later than permitted. You might even find a go-go bar open every now and then. But the girls are wearing street clothes, not dancing on stage. The barfine is often waved, just pay the girl.

But as long as there are news reports of this and that bar being raided with staff and customers getting arrested and fined for whatever, I have not been posting updates on exactly what is going on where inside a bar.I think this is a reasonable position to have under the present circumstances where bars are officially not allowed to open. But I do believe Pattaya Go Go bars are now officially open. Posting up to date reports on legally open bars is good as long as any grey areas are not mentioned in the reports. By grey areas I mean any skirting of current laws for example, if a bar remains open after curfew or something like that. Just use common sense in the reportage. We don't want to get anyone in trouble.

[Detwing1]

Until now I have made two reports for this forum. I'm not the greatest of writers, therefore I'm a bit reluctant to post reports here. Some people have the gift of the gab, and what's on their minds they can express straight away in writing (I don't have that, haha). I made this report because most members were raving on about quarantine (which is quite a hot topic). With my report I tried to change the subject.

At first I was a bit annoyed at Detwing1's remark. But this is a forum and everyone should be able to express what's on their mind. If that's not possible, then what's the point of having a forum. But I'm glad Detwing1 checked it out. Thanks Detwing1.Well, for all I care you can continue to be annoyed. Doesn't bother me a bit.

As another member reported, there are bars continuing to secretly serve alcohol and other services. However, due to the news reports of L. E raiding some of these places, you're not going to find many detailed reports on here, at least not from me. Besides, my preference is to find "freebies", either in clubs, online, or other methods, although I do like the blowjob bars and occasionally take a freelancer.

With that being said, this is Thailand. Anyone of us over here who want action, can get it. Even in COVID, its not hard.

Enjoy.

[Banana Boi]

Maybe I am only speaking for myself on this issue, but I think some of us in Bangkok now are reluctant to post reviews and info about exactly where and what is going on in town due to the restrictions still in place. Understood and agree. Forgot Bangkok isn't open like Pattaya.

[Danny Duck]

I walked by on Friday night and also saw quite a few out in front of Thermae, including a few lookers. I still get the vibe that they're looking for Japanese or Korean only customers.

On a side note, I noticed some guy taking video with his cell phone, so I'm hoping not to be on a Youtube video anytime soon.These guys get good clear shots. Don't the girls care? They must see a guy right in front of them Filming.

[Mens2]

I'm in BKK and indeed there are still some restrictions.

The old places are closed or not open like normal.

There are new massage salons in the game at good prices.

But the girls can't always "handle" farangs.

It already did happen twice that I had to change girls in middle of the sessions.

So it's more hit & miss at the moment.

And I don't like to drink beers and be afraid of a raid every second.

So it's different.

Oh yeah, hotel rooms are very cheap.

For the ones who don't like to bring girls to their own condo, like me.

Too much drama sometimes.

[HorseTrader]

These guys get good clear shots. Don't the girls care? They must see a guy right in front of them Filming.Some girls care, others don't. Some photographers hold cameras where they are easy to see, some use small or hidden cameras. I talked to one man who turned on video and then put his cell in shirt pocket with lens slightly above the pocket. Only special equipment was some foam in the bottom of shirt pocket to prop the camera up.

[Oliver Kitsoff]

Oh yeah, hotel rooms are very cheap.

For the ones who don't like to bring girls to their own condo, like me.

Too much drama sometimes.
Very wise, a guy I met on here was murdered last week. Everyone is in shock. We suspect one of his endless take out's had a hand in it. I hope we find out soon. RIP dawgee. The murder was in the US.

[Detwing1]

Some girls care, others don't. Some photographers hold cameras where they are easy to see, some use small or hidden cameras. I talked to one man who turned on video and then put his cell in shirt pocket with lens slightly above the pocket. Only special equipment was some foam in the bottom of shirt pocket to prop the camera up.The guy I saw on Sukhumvit, not far from Thermae, was clearly filming and didn't appear to be hiding it at all.

I've seen some of the Youtube videos, and they are quite clear. Sometimes you can see the girls looking at the camera, as if they know they're being filmed.

[Banana Boi]

The guy I saw on Sukhumvit, not far from Thermae, was clearly filming and didn't appear to be hiding it at all.Filming in public is commonplace. You can film all you want on Sukhumvit and right in front of Thermae. The ladyboys are used to it. Filming inside Thermae is another matter altogether. Girls are going to blacklist you if you get caught.

Ever walked down Walking Street? Must be 50+ people filming at any given time. Sometimes from 1 single China tour group! Pre COVID of course.

[HorseTrader]

Filming in public is commonplace. You can film all you want on Sukhumvit and right in front of Thermae. The ladyboys are used to it.I've done very little videoing in the freelancer areas of Thailand, maybe 20 seconds total. A few of the girls saw my camera and turned their backs. That was my cue to record no more. If you did that same videoing in Tijuana, every girl would turn her back and maybe something bad would happen to you or to your camera.

[Berrys66]

The guys that used to perform on streetmeat Asia used to film in hotels all over town. Nigel and monkey man and. Igle dead, monkey man may still be around.

[Berrys66]

I used to take shots in bars 30 yrs ago with fast film and as there was no flash they thought I was fooling around, and just laughed as I snapped away.

[Berrys66]

UK channel 4 were filming farangs with small gals outside the chicken farm in patters many years back. Claiming they were pedos when in fact they were just women of small stature, spinners.

[Crocodilexp]

I walked through closed-down Patpong today, and I'm sad to report the venerable Star of Light BJ bar is gone. Not just closed (all the bars are), but the sign near the door is gone, and there are no indications of its existence. Used to have Line contact from 2 girls who worked there, but they're no longer reachable either.

SOL was perhaps the only remaining true BJ bar in Bangkok, where you could get service out in the open and enjoy your drink while watching other punters getting sucked off or more. All the other BJ bars made you go to a cubicle, which some people prefer, but is not the same and takes the unique bit of fun away.

In June, after the initial lockdown, SOL moved to a new location, still on the same side of soi Patpong II. They also increased prices and increased privacy (service only behind a curtain, not in the open), a great move to turn off the few remaining regulars. I assume they terminated the lease for the new place. Don't know if they'll reopen at some point, perhaps in a new location, but it seems unlikely.

It is starting to hit home how this crisis is likely to be a watershed moment, not just a temporary hiccup. Mongering scene in Thailand, and probably most other places, will be significantly different once Covid goes away, and not in a good sense.

[WishfulThinker]

I can only see 1 report that you made. Nevertheless, thanks for the report. My other post is #6265 which I made on 24 April 2016 (Cambodia Phnom Penh).

[T Chizzle]

I was in the Patpong area tonight, Friday.

As I walked near Crystal Palace bar (around 9:15 pm), I saw a bunch of guys (maybe at least 10) wearing "Bangrak Police" black vests. A couple of them were shining their mobile phone flashlights through the windows of the bar.

I'm guessing that they were doing checks of the area to see if bars were really closed or not; or possibly maybe a raid was about to happen somewhere in the vicinity. I have no idea.

But after seeing this scene, I think that partaking in the Bangkok nightlife is just not worth the hassle.

I might have to escape and take a little trip out to Pattaya.

[Crocodilexp]

Bangrak Police in PatpongThanks for the warning. It helps keep things in perspective. At this point, I see no appeal in getting busted by Bangkok's finest for drinking beer out of a plastic cup, surrounded by 3 of the remaining last-resort bargirls.

However, I'm not convinced a trip to Pattaya is worthwhile either.

[MasterRochi2]

Guys,

I am out of quarantine on Monday, where do I go get laid, any suggestions?

Paid or unpaid doesn't matter.

Any good bars, or good escort website at decent price?

Thanks.

[Detwing1]

Guys,

I am out of quarantine on Monday, where do I go get laid, any suggestions?

Paid or unpaid doesn't matter.

Any good bars, or good escort website at decent price?

Thanks.Its not that hard.

Walk up and down Sukhumvit and you should be quoted between 1 and 2 K BHT short time.

Plenty of action on Tinder along with several freelancer bars secretly operating. You won't have to look hard.

[Berrys66]

Guys,

I am out of quarantine on Monday, where do I go get laid, any suggestions?

Paid or unpaid doesn't matter.

Any good bars, or good escort website at decent price?

Thanks.Outside the thermae and give us some feedback. Thanks.

[Stykler]

I am out of quarantine on Monday, where do I go get laid, any suggestions?
Yes. RTFF.

[IHeartIpa]

Guys,

I am out of quarantine on Monday, where do I go get laid, any suggestions?

Paid or unpaid doesn't matter.

Any good bars, or good escort website at decent price?

Thanks.Just come to Pattaya until the BKK shutdown is over with.

[NicFrenchy]

Guys,

I am out of quarantine on Monday, where do I go get laid, any suggestions?

Paid or unpaid doesn't matter.

Any good bars, or good escort website at decent price?

Thanks.Wait, you've been 2 weeks in Quarantine and could not score any girl off Tinder / Thai Cupid / Badoo?

That's a waste, you could have lined up a lot of dates for when you got out.

It's never too late.

[Detwing1]

Wait, you've been 2 weeks in Quarantine and could not score any girl off Tinder / Thai Cupid / Badoo?

That's a waste, you could have lined up a lot of dates for when you got out.

It's never too late.Wait, I almost forgot to include some intel for him = There's a really tall streetwalker with big hands and a deep voice hanging out near the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 11.

Go test drive that one and report back.

[LittleBigMan]

Wait, I almost forgot to include some intel for him = There's a really tall streetwalker with big hands and a deep voice hanging out near the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 11.

Go test drive that one and report back.Not taking sides but how would you know?

[Detwing1]

Not taking sides but how would you know?She or whatever it is cat calls me everytime I walk by there. Feels like I'm on a construction site.

I'm not 100% sure of the gender and don't intend to find out, but you can't miss her. She's got to be damn near 6 feet tall.

[Francesco24]

Thermae is closed currently. But most nights there are 10-12 girls hanging around outside. A few would be among the better looking ones you might have seen inside during normal times.

I got a big smile and nod from one of the better looking ones I've seen lately standing outside last night about 7pm, which is an hour or two earlier than when most of the girls show up. I thought, this must be that "desperation" thing I've heard about.

"You like ST or LT?", I asked.

"Up to you"

"Great. Everything up to me?"

Big smile. "Of course. But must wear condom."

"For everything? Must wear condom for BJ?"

Shocked look. "YES!!"

"Thanks. Bye"

So much for that "desperation" myth. I guess she got there early to meet the first Japanese tour bus arrival of 2021. I Lined a reliable pre-Covid regular to come to my apartment and had a great LT. She just left at about Noon.I was asked 3000 for ST there few weeks ago. Admittedly she was really good looking but I wonder how many customers she can find at this price range.

[EihTooms]

I was asked 3000 for ST there few weeks ago. Admittedly she was really good looking but I wonder how many customers she can find at this price range.If it was one of the "covered everything" girls like the one who flagged me over and she gets just one taker per week for 3,000 that's not a bad weekly income during these dire economic conditions for 45-60 minutes of her time without ever making intimate contact with a penis.

[Just Incognito]

Not taking sides but how would you know?Male shoulders are wider than their hips.

Female shoulders are wider than their hips.

From the shoulders down to the hips if the wide pat of the triangle is at the top-ts a man, pointy part of the triangle is at the top-its a woman.

They can shave their adams apples down, take hormones, wear wigs, tuck a dick away-but can't flip the triangle.

I earned that from a young man in the Philippines. 100% always works.

[Detwing1]

Male shoulders are wider than their hips.

Female shoulders are wider than their hips.

From the shoulders down to the hips if the wide pat of the triangle is at the top-ts a man, pointy part of the triangle is at the top-its a woman.

They can shave their adams apples down, take hormones, wear wigs, tuck a dick away-but can't flip the triangle.

I earned that from a young man in the Philippines. 100% always works.I never thought about that before, but it makes perfect sense. I always just walked away when in doubt.

I'm 99.99% sure the one I mentioned is an LB. Very aggressive and masculine.

On a side note, there was actually some pretty good looking talent hanging around Thermae last weekend, but I suspect they're looking for Japanese and Korean punters.

Also, if you know where to look, there are several freelancer bars operating. Can't say much about the talent, but they're around.

[HorseTrader]

Male shoulders are wider than their hips.
Yea, for the most part it is true that for the same hip width the female shoulders are narrower than a male shoulders. But, there is variability and it isn't always easy to tell based on that alone. Many things to consider include.

1. Shoulder-hip ratio.

2. Adams apple, which can be trimmed.

3. Height (check for high heels versus flats). On average, Thai men are 10 cm taller than Thai women.

4. Over exaggeration of feminine motions (hair toss etc.).

5. Gate. They tend to hide this, but natural male walking motion keeps hips more still and shoulders move, female is the opposite.

6. Voice (this is the #1 give away for me). Voice training is difficult.

7. Friends. Not universal, but ladyboys tend to hang with other ladyboys.

8. Price. If you are quoted a low price, more likely to be ladyboy.

9. Face shape. Real girls tend to have more delicate features, not universal and not easy to detect.

10. Aggressive - Ladyboys are often more aggressive than real girls. If she comes to you at the bar and immediately climbs on your lap and sticks her tongue down your throat, chances of being a ladyboy is very high. Also aggressive as you walk by.

11. Ask. Don't ask unless you are ready to pull the trigger. Be nice.

[Banana Boi]

On a side note, there was actually some pretty good looking talent hanging around Thermae last weekend, but I suspect they're looking for Japanese and Korean punters.Wrong assumption to make especially during these times. Never hurts to ask if she's hot enough.

[Detwing1]

Wrong assumption to make especially during these times. Never hurts to ask if she's hot enough.I agree for the most part. However, I got the cold shoulder from the really hot ones, so it didn't make sense to pursue. I suspect that my slightly younger age gives me a bit of a disadvantage in that particular situation. I watched a guy who was probably my dad's age pull a smoking hot FL out of there, who had just given me the cold shoulder (if I see that guy out drinking some night, I'm definitely picking up his bar tab).

[Detwing1]

Yea, for the most part it is true that for the same hip width the female shoulders are narrower than a male shoulders. But, there is variability and it isn't always easy to tell based on that alone. Many things to consider include.


3. Height (check for high heels versus flats). On average, Thai men are 10 cm taller than Thai women.

4. Over exaggeration of feminine motions (hair toss etc.).

6. Voice (this is the #1 give away for me). Voice training is difficult.

7. Friends. Not universal, but ladyboys tend to hang with other ladyboys.

10. Aggressive - Ladyboys are often more aggressive than real girls. If she comes to you at the bar and immediately climbs on your lap and sticks her tongue down your throat, chances of being a ladyboy is very high. Also aggressive as you walk by.These are especially obvious.

[LittleBigMan]

Male shoulders are wider than their hips.

Female shoulders are wider than their hips.

From the shoulders down to the hips if the wide pat of the triangle is at the top-ts a man, pointy part of the triangle is at the top-its a woman.

They can shave their adams apples down, take hormones, wear wigs, tuck a dick away-but can't flip the triangle.

I earned that from a young man in the Philippines. 100% always works.To be honest this isn't a subject I need to study or find a list of things! I don't care how hot they are if there is any doubt or they have a feature I don't particularly care it is just a quick move on end of the story, includes their feet, the height I'm not a big guy so if I can't ride them from behind on my knees it's move on too!

[Mr Enternational]

Yea, for the most part it is true that for the same hip width the female shoulders are narrower than a male shoulders. But, there is variability and it isn't always easy to tell based on that alone.I agree with all of your assessments. But it always amazes me whenever this comes up the amount of guys that have trouble distinguishing a male from a female. With 99% of them you should be able to tell it is a man and not a woman with a quick glance. But evidently not from the stories and pictures posted here.

Why does this seem like a monumental task for some guys, when it just seems natural to me and others? It is like to some all it takes is hair, makeup, and clothes to equal woman, but others see right through that with no effort at all, to detect the man underneath.

Add the big ass cartoon heads that would not fit a woman's body to your list for number 12.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/

[Crocodilexp]

I was asked 3000 for ST there (in front of Thermae) few weeks ago. Admittedly she was really good looking but I wonder how many customers she can find at this price range.Did you counter offer? Can't blame her for asking 3 k, that was probably her regular rate before Covid, and she might be hoping for a clueless or generous punter. I'm pretty sure she'd jump on a 2 k offer, and probably consider 1 k as well.

[Speed2487]

Just wanted to know if any Indian reached TH post Tourism reopening. How was the quarantine experience?

[IHeartIpa]

Did you counter offer? Can't blame her for asking 3 k, that was probably her regular rate before Covid, and she might be hoping for a clueless or generous punter. I'm pretty sure she'd jump on a 2 k offer, and probably consider 1 k as well.Totally agree. In my experience this past year many girls still ask for pre-covid prices and then they instantly accept 2 k and are happy to get it.

[Banana Boi]

I got the cold shoulder from the really hot ones, so it didn't make sense to pursue.I guess we're different. If I get the cold shoulder I go talk to them to waste their time and annoy them.

Never seen a younger guy get the cold shoulder at Thermae. At gogo bars yes because gogo girls are of the mentality that young guys don't have enough cash to buy them a ton of lady drinks. 30-50 would be target age for many gogo girls.

[Detwing1]

I guess we're different. If I get the cold shoulder I go talk to them to waste their time and annoy them.

Never seen a younger guy get the cold shoulder at Thermae. At gogo bars yes because gogo girls are of the mentality that young guys don't have enough cash to buy them a ton of lady drinks. 30-50 would be target age for many gogo girls.LOL. Yeah I guess I could talk to them just to waste their time and annoy them. I'm in the 30 to 50 range, but look younger and have had FL's mistake me for military. IMHO, a cold shoulder could be indicative of performance. I'm not lacking for action here, so its no issue. Tinder has been really good to me here.

[Just Incognito]

Male shoulders are wider than their hips.

Female shoulders are wider than their hips.

From the shoulders down to the hips if the wide pat of the triangle is at the top-ts a man, pointy part of the triangle is at the top-its a woman.

They can shave their adams apples down, take hormones, wear wigs, tuck a dick away-but can't flip the triangle.

I earned that from a young man in the Philippines. 100% always works.I just saw that I wrote this wrong. Lets try again.

Male shoulders are wider than their hips.

Females hips are wider than their shoulders.

The triangle never lies!

[Just Incognito]

Also: Feet and hand size.

Most women will have smaller feet and hands than a man of the same size.


Yea, for the most part it is true that for the same hip width the female shoulders are narrower than a male shoulders. But, there is variability and it isn't always easy to tell based on that alone. Many things to consider include.

1. Shoulder-hip ratio.

2. Adams apple, which can be trimmed.

3. Height (check for high heels versus flats). On average, Thai men are 10 cm taller than Thai women.

4. Over exaggeration of feminine motions (hair toss etc.).

5. Gate. They tend to hide this, but natural male walking motion keeps hips more still and shoulders move, female is the opposite.

6. Voice (this is the #1 give away for me). Voice training is difficult.

7. Friends. Not universal, but ladyboys tend to hang with other ladyboys.

8. Price. If you are quoted a low price, more likely to be ladyboy.

9. Face shape. Real girls tend to have more delicate features, not universal and not easy to detect.

[Sharka]

To be honest. I could tell LB most of the time. But not always.

I once met a cute girl, fairly petite and based on all the criteria on the list, she was definitely a she.

Never would have been able to tell until she didn't want to lie to me and told me she was a he. Complete with total sex change operations.

[Pwrmnd]

It can be a challenge to tell. I hadn't thought about hip to shoulder ratio. Of the ones mentioned, I've found these the most useful.

Asking them (not 100% honest, though).

Voice (pitch, but also talking weird to cover it up).

Height (the legs more so than the torso).

Exaggerated feminine gait.

Adam's apple.

Some other signs:

Hair. Women find it easier to grow long, thick hair.

Facial skin. Women are more likely to have smooth skin.

Breasts. Many ladyboys are carrying around big fake boobies with unnatural roundness.

Elbows. Women's arms can bend a bit more at the elbow (like, more than 180 degrees, as if bent backwards).

Aggression. Ladyboys are less subtle, and will more readily grab you or approach you.

Thickness. Men have thicker bones and muscles in the arms.

A few others I've heard of but never tried to use:

Supposedly "a woman's index finger is longer than the finger next to her pinkie; with men, it's the opposite. ".

Men have bigger heads (I think even 10% more than you'd expect just from being taller).

If a bit overweight, women carry it more in the butt and thighs (men more in the stomach).

"higher eyebrows, fuller lips, and a rounder jawline with a more pointed chin. " (men: square face; women: oval).

There also might be something to just going with your instinct.

[EihTooms]

In Thailand if the girl appears to be especially happy to be a female, really strutting her stuff publicly, proud enough of her boobs and butt to wear clothes that accentuate and display them, working it in the way she walks and poses her body, it is 99% certain that's a man.

You can use that premise to differentiate between a real Thai female and a Ladyboy from a block away and chances are you'll nail it, no need to wait until you get a closer look or hear their voice.

[Mr Enternational]

Supposedly "a woman's index finger is longer than the finger next to her pinkie; with men, it's the opposite. "I just checked my girlfriend. This is not true. Unless she used to be a dude.

[HorseTrader]

Supposedly "a woman's index finger is longer than the finger next to her pinkie; with men, it's the opposite. ".


I just checked my girlfriend. This is not true. Unless she used to be a dude.I just checked me. This is not true. Unless I used to be a chick.

[Nounce]

To be honest. I could tell LB most of the time. But not always.

I once met a cute girl, fairly petite and based on all the criteria on the list, she was definitely a she.

Never would have been able to tell until she didn't want to lie to me and told me she was a he. Complete with total sex change operations.I met one like that. The only tell I have is that it was too easy when we discussed service. It was in front of Thermae but she was with friends that seem to be females. I decided to call the front desk when she was taking a shower and found out she has a male ID. She told me she borrowed the ID and let me examined her naked. I still could not tell but I decided to let her go.

Another time, I met one who is tall for a female in front of Hyatt near Thermae. She claimed she worked at RB4 and showed me picture of her working. She just finished a short time date but did not want to go back to the bar. Her ID looked fine but because she was tall, too eager and tell me it's a good deal so I did not take her.

[Detwing1]

I met one like that. The only tell I have is that it was too easy when we discussed service. It was in front of Thermae but she was with friends that seem to be females. I decided to call the front desk when she was taking a shower and found out she has a male ID. She told me she borrowed the ID and let me examined her naked. I still could not tell but I decided to let her go.

Another time, I met one who is tall for a female in front of Hyatt near Thermae. She claimed she worked at RB4 and showed me picture of her working. She just finished a short time date but did not want to go back to the bar. Her ID looked fine but because she was tall, too eager and tell me it's a good deal so I did not take her.Most of what I assume to be LB's in that area are down from Thermae, closer to Soi 11 area to Soi 4, and are "usually" easy to recognize and avoid. As other posters noted, from what I can tell, they're usually tall, aggressive, cheap, and overly feminine. Normally can spot them quite easily, but not always.

The old saying, when in doubt, toss it out is appropriate in this case.

[Berrys66]

Its the small lbs that can fool you as well as they throw you off guard. Despite the tall ones being obvious.

[Francesco24]

Did you counter offer? Can't blame her for asking 3 k, that was probably her regular rate before Covid, and she might be hoping for a clueless or generous punter. I'm pretty sure she'd jump on a 2 k offer, and probably consider 1 k as well.I didn't counter offer. I guess she may have accepted 2 k but that night I was looking for something cheap (and also didn't expect anyone to still ask 3 k and it kinda put me off anyway).

[Tomasb]

That's pretty funny that you called the front desk to verify the sex of your companion. And it's funnier too that your companion offered you the totally lame explanation that she borrowed her male friends ID. Who does that? If it was a female and she lost her ID, I am quite sure that borrowing another ID from the same sex would be the more likely attempt. It appears that you must have had reservations from the beginning so your instincts were correct.

As far as looking at her naked, this person was obviously a post-op and usually the surgical work down there is not so great so perhaps you decided not to look so close, which I understand given the circumstances. But the few pics I have seen don't come close to looking like the real thing.

For what it is worth, most of the 'girls' outside Thermae are LB's because they are not allowed inside and hang out in front hoping to pick up an unsuspecting tourists. Some of them are pretty hard to determine their gender though obviously the doormen there can tell.


I met one like that. The only tell I have is that it was too easy when we discussed service. It was in front of Thermae but she was with friends that seem to be females. I decided to call the front desk when she was taking a shower and found out she has a male ID. She told me she borrowed the ID and let me examined her naked. I still could not tell but I decided to let her go.

Another time, I met one who is tall for a female in front of Hyatt near Thermae. She claimed she worked at RB4 and showed me picture of her working. She just finished a short time date but did not want to go back to the bar. Her ID looked fine but because she was tall, too eager and tell me it's a good deal so I did not take her.

[Kerrstar]

I just checked me. This is not true. Unless I used to be a chick.Your secret is safe with us Karen.

[EihTooms]

I didn't counter offer. I guess she may have accepted 2 k but that night I was looking for something cheap (and also didn't expect anyone to still ask 3 k and it kinda put me off anyway).Some of the better looking girls working in the Soi 7 collection of beer bars that more-or-less remained open lately have been asking 3,000 for ST, 5,000 for LT and sticking to it. Ok, maybe they drop it by 500 baht or so depending on how busy the bars are. And I'm talking about basic, standard covered FS and likely no BBBJ+CIM option. Some of those girls pretend to be oblivious to what costs and service levels were for girls of their middling level of looks way back during normal times.

And there are apparently enough punters in town willing to pay those rates and accept that level of service to keep those girls busy and happy.

Hopefully, the go ahead for all bars to reopen will soon throw a little cold water of competitive reality onto the situation.

[EihTooms]

...
For what it is worth, most of the 'girls' outside Thermae are LB's because they are not allowed inside and hang out in front hoping to pick up an unsuspecting tourists.
...That was true during normal times. But since the tourist traffic began to slow to a trickle about a year ago and, of course, when Thermae itself is closed as it has been for weeks, most of the girls standing outside Thermae are real girls. They either can't go into the bar (because it's closed) or simply found their best chance of any viable customer seeing them at all that night is to get out of that nearly empty basement bar and stand outside on the sidewalk.

There are still LBs standing outside under current conditions. But maybe only 10% of the hookers standing outside as of last week were LBs.

[Francesco24]

Some of the better looking girls working in the Soi 7 collection of beer bars that more-or-less remained open lately have been asking 3,000 for ST, 5,000 for LT and sticking to it. Ok, maybe they drop it by 500 baht or so depending on how busy the bars are. And I'm talking about basic, standard covered FS and likely no BBBJ+CIM option. Some of those girls pretend to be oblivious to what costs and service levels were for girls of their middling level of looks way back during normal times.

And there are apparently enough punters in town willing to pay those rates and accept that level of service to keep those girls busy and happy.

Hopefully, the go ahead for all bars to reopen will soon throw a little cold water of competitive reality onto the situation.The Soi 7 bars were open lately? I walked by a few times but everything seemed shut down completely. (Also crazy prices and still wonder who is paying them when many decent looking girls along Sukumvit are ok with 1000).

[Banana Boi]

Miss the good old days when that noodle shop food cart was right outside Thermae. I was staring at a girl one night and she pulled a chair beside her and asked me to sit with her while she ate.

[T Chizzle]

I still haven't seen the BMA's "official" published announcement following the CCSA's "official" published announcement.

A couple night entertainment places reopened last night such as The Strip 2. 0 gogo over at Patpong. And I just saw a tweet by XXX Lounge (Patpong) that said they were opening up tonight at 6 pm, along with another tweet by Shark (Soi Cowboy) about 90 baht beers and house spirits all night.

I'm not that familiar with Thailand's government bureaucracy. But I guess even without the BMA's "official" announcement (or if it's even needed), places have already begun (or are planning soon) to reopen up in BKK.

[EihTooms]

I still haven't seen the BMA's "official" published announcement following the CCSA's "official" published announcement.

A couple night entertainment places reopened last night such as The Strip 2. 0 gogo over at Patpong. And I just saw a tweet by XXX Lounge (Patpong) that said they were opening up tonight at 6 pm, along with another tweet by Shark (Soi Cowboy) about 90 baht beers and house spirits all night.

I'm not that familiar with Thailand's government bureaucracy. But I guess even without the BMA's "official" announcement (or if it's even needed), places have already begun (or are planning soon) to reopen up in BKK.Baccara, Suzy Wong, Kazy Kozy, Long Gun and another go-go bar I don't remember in Soi Cowboy were open last night. There were a few girls milling around in street clothes but no stage dancing at the time, about 9pm.

No go-go bars in Nana Plaza opened early last night, but a few beer bars did; Morning Night, K&S, Hillary 2, Hillary 1 (the restaurant was already open before). Down Soi 4 and round the corner on Soi 6, Hang Out Pub was open. Further down on Soi 4 the new-ish LB bar, Why Not?, formerly Swan Bar, was open.

The outside sign lights and indoor lights were on and 2-3 girls in street clothes were sitting at L0litas and Kasalong BJ bars.

Thermae remained closed last night but I was told by some girls outside that it will reopen tonight.

Bar staff at most bars said they will be closed on Friday for another one of those "monk days" or whatever.

[Danny Duck]

Baccara, Suzy Wong, Kazy Kozy, Long Gun and another go-go bar I don't remember in Soi Cowboy were open last night. There were a few girls milling around in street clothes but no stage dancing at the time, about 9pm.

No go-go bars in Nana Plaza opened early last night, but a few beer bars did; Morning Night, K&S, Hillary 2, Hillary 1 (the restaurant was already open before). Down Soi 4 and round the corner on Soi 6, Hang Out Pub was open. Further down on Soi 4 the new-ish LB bar, Why Not?, formerly Swan Bar, was open.

The outside sign lights and indoor lights were on and 2-3 girls in street clothes were sitting at L0litas and Kasalong BJ bars.

Thermae remained closed last night but I was told by some girls outside that it will reopen tonight.

Bar staff at most bars said they will be closed on Friday for another one of those "monk days" or whatever.It's Mooshthra Bootstra day on Friday.

Are there Customers to go in the bars.

From you tube looks like a he'll No.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Thailand may soon open up to those vaccinated. This is great, as I have had a year of sex prison USA and have some major catching up to do. I miss the pleasure of discrete BJ and chablis in a limo to / from the airport, especially early morning arrives. It is a shame I cannot take the girls with me because of stupid visa rules. USA should offer a 3 month "special companion" visa (limit of 3 per sponsor simultaneously).

Some Japanese friends had an awesome TH holiday, rented a villa with a pool, brought all their favorite booze, and were cooked for, massaged, sex on tap and a great bunch of friends having a great time. They even taught the girls how to make expert cocktails and serve them poolside, and of course a BJ for waking up does without saying.

This is the way life should be. Not chained to some old, saggy, entitled fat American sow.

[T Chizzle]

...and another go-go bar I don't remember in Soi Cowboy...

Bar staff at most bars said they will be closed on Friday for another one of those "monk days" or whatever.It was probably Crazy House. And with this Friday's "no alcohol" day coming up, I can see why some bars or gogos might not want to open up just yet.

But it looks like BMA just published their "official" announcement, effective 23 February. (source in Thai: http://www.bangkok.go.th/main/page.php?&140-Announced&page_num=0&type=detail&id=770).

Again, I just wonder if some aren't opening up yet because of Friday. Or maybe they're calling it quits like a sports bar on Nana (source: https://thailand.businessesforsale.com/thai/long-established-profitable-sports-bar-in-soi-nana-for-sale.aspx); Strikers?

And it's only the beginning of 2021.

[Houston Player]

Baccara, Suzy Wong, Kazy Kozy, Long Gun and another go-go bar I don't remember in Soi Cowboy were open last night. There were a few girls milling around in street clothes but no stage dancing at the time, about 9pm.

No go-go bars in Nana Plaza opened early last nightI think you mean Crazy House instead of Kazy Kozy as it was closed even before this last round of closures. Baccara the girls were dancing on stage at 7 PM there just weren't but about 15 girls working. Since Nana Plaza was closed we went to Patpong were I observed 4 bars open. Triple X I visited and no girls were on stage but milling about. Bada Bing was going like normal 2 shifts of girls filled the stage. Several good looking girls and a few very sexy ones with great bodies but average faces. Black Pagoda was open but I didn't go in. There was another go-go open on the same street but I don't remember the name. I didn't get to the street with King's Castle so I can't report on what was open there.

Also I was told that Spankys is opening tonight but Billboard is waiting until next Tuesday the 2nd of March.

[EihTooms]

I think you mean Crazy House instead of Kazy Kozy as it was closed even before this last round of closures.
...Actually, Kazy Kozy was the only Soi Cowboy go-go bar that remained "open" all during this latest round of closures right up until last night. Lol. Yes, I'd also read that it was closed, for sale and so on. But if you walked up Soi Cowboy just about any night during the past few weeks of closures, all of the bars were closed shut and dark, maybe a couple of old ladies or old Thai men sitting outside of them presumably to guard against looters, EXCEPT for Kazy Kozy.

Kazy Kozy always had a light or two on, the door open, groups of girls in street clothes sitting at card tables, cooking food, eating, flagging over any stray customer who dared to walk all the way down dark and otherwise deserted Soi Cowboy, trying to convince him to go inside, sit with the girls, buy drinks, take one or two, etc.

I know because I was one of those strays a few times. Lol. In fact, my previous post several days ago about not wanting to "snitch" on go-go bars that were breakng the rules and staying open was mostly about Kazy Kozy. But I did not want to name it.

About last night. I stood at the closed door of Crazy House, around the corner, actually on Soi 23, and talked with the long time mamasan, asked her if Crazy House was going to open last night. She said no and that it would open "tomorrow" (tonight). But that I could go around to Kazy Kozy if I wanted.

Maybe Kazy Kozy will really be closed now that other bars are open.

[TConor]

Thailand may soon open up to those vaccinated. This is great, as I have had a year of sex prison USA and have some major catching up to do. I miss the pleasure of discrete BJ and chablis in a limo to / from the airport, especially early morning arrives. It is a shame I cannot take the girls with me because of stupid visa rules. USA should offer a 3 month "special companion" visa (limit of 3 per sponsor simultaneously).

Some Japanese friends had an awesome TH holiday, rented a villa with a pool, brought all their favorite booze, and were cooked for, massaged, sex on tap and a great bunch of friends having a great time. They even taught the girls how to make expert cocktails and serve them poolside, and of course a BJ for waking up does without saying.

This is the way life should be. Not chained to some old, saggy, entitled fat American sow.Vaccinated people can still carry and spread the virus. The vaccines are designed to save you from death. Until the rules for a COE are changed and 60+% of ALL people in Thailand get the vaccine, do not get your hopes up.

[Danny Duck]

Vaccinated people can still carry and spread the virus. The vaccines are designed to save you from death. Until the rules for a COE are changed and 60+% of ALL people in Thailand get the vaccine, do not get your hopes up.The average non Sex industry worker- dirty Farang clientele- does not want the country to open up.

The govt has scared the BeeJesus out of them.

I'm thinking, guessing, 2022 at the earliest is when we will be let in.

Looks like we will be outfitted with Dog collars to Keep track of us. LOL.

Could be embarrassing. Out of 100 nights I'll be at Nana Plaza 97 nights.

[Franciscass]

Some Japanese friends had an awesome TH holiday, rented a villa with a pool, brought all their favorite booze, and were cooked for, massaged, sex on tap and a great bunch of friends having a great time. They even taught the girls how to make expert cocktails and serve them poolside, and of course a BJ for waking up does without saying.Than they woke up but it wasn't in Thailand, still in Osaka but no harm dreaming.

[Pwrmnd]

A few Soi Cowboy go-go's were open, just as reported below. There was dancing, but not nearly as many girls as usual. I think Crazy House had about 10, with various amounts of clothing. Only one was really to my liking, so I bought her a drink. The girl wanted the expensive drink, but I went full Cheap Charlie and got the regular drink. I had a good time, with a little grinding and gentle groping, but she was off in about 4 minutes. She must have some internal egg time that she set to "soft boiled". Would she have hung out longer with the expensive drink? I don't plan to find out. The staff seemed more aggressive than usual about lady drinks. Every 2 minutes they came to bring a girl or point one out. The prices here were the same as usual, whereas some other bars seemed to have promotions. I feel like Crazy House is just for looking (maybe the most nudity in town?); I get better customer service elsewhere.

[Tidihofa]

I agree with all of your assessments. But it always amazes me whenever this comes up the amount of guys that have trouble distinguishing a male from a female. With 99% of them you should be able to tell it is a man and not a woman with a quick glance. But evidently not from the stories and pictures posted here.

Why does this seem like a monumental task for some guys, when it just seems natural to me and others? It is like to some all it takes is hair, makeup, and clothes to equal woman, but others see right through that with no effort at all, to detect the man underneath.

Add the big ass cartoon heads that would not fit a woman's body to your list for number 12.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/I don't believe they can't tell the difference between a woman and a man.

[Berrys66]

Vaccinated people can still carry and spread the virus. The vaccines are designed to save you from death. Until the rules for a COE are changed and 60+% of ALL people in Thailand get the vaccine, do not get your hopes up.Exactly, the young are being hit bad. New mutations are expected anytime. And as is said a covid free world is not expected any time soon. Its here to stay for ever. With mutations that will defy vaccines, until vaccines are modified to cope with deadly mutations if such a thing is possible.

[Berrys66]

Thai air have flogged off all their long haul jets so are not expecting things to pick up any time soon. Along with BA and other airlines. They were verging on bankruptcy.

[IHeartIpa]

The average non Sex industry worker- dirty Farang clientele- does not want the country to open up.

The govt has scared the BeeJesus out of them.

I'm thinking, guessing, 2022 at the earliest is when we will be let in..And how many non-sex workers in Thailand do you know to base that assumption on?

You do realize Thailand is a military dictatorship right? OK it may be called something else but that's what it really is. The common people have no say in it. Some like to travel and millions have someone who works in a tourist related industry, others are scared of covid. The real reason Thailand will be super careful is because those in power want to stay there. Country stays closed cases low = they maintain their positions and keep lining their pockets. They open the country up and maybe it turns out ok but if a massive covid wave hits there will be protests and they could be ousted from power. They care nothing for the plight of the common people, but like most politicians do whatever it is that keeps them in power the longest.

[Member #4698]

Vaccinated people can still carry and spread the virus. The vaccines are designed to save you from death. Until the rules for a COE are changed and 60+% of ALL people in Thailand get the vaccine, do not get your hopes up.I agree with you that the Thai Govt. Will probably not lift the quarantine until a significant percentage of the Thai people are vaccinated.

As for the efficacy of the Phizer and most likely Moderna vaccine, which I have taken, read this news article by Lynn Allison.

Thursday, 25 February 2021 10:15 AM.

"A study of over half a million inoculated people found that two doses of the Pfizer vaccine is 94% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in all age groups.

According to CBS News, results of the Israeli study in collaboration with experts at Harvard University were published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

“The study provides the first large-scale peer-reviewed evaluation of the effectiveness of a COVID-19 vaccine in a nationwide mass-vaccination setting,” said researchers at the Chalit Research Institute in Israel.

Researchers also found that even after one dose, the vaccine helped prevent serious illness and death. While most data about vaccine efficacy has been gathered from controlled clinical trials, Israel’s speed in vaccine rollout provided the ideal opportunity to evaluate real-world statistics.

The total study involved 1.2 million people, according to CBS News, and demonstrated that one shot of the COVID-19 vaccine provides 57% protection against symptomatic infections after two weeks. One shot also was 62% effective in preventing severe illness. That number rose to 92% after the second dose.

At the time of the study, the dominant strain of the virus was the U.K. variant, so the results reveal that the Pfizer vaccine is effective against that mutation. Pfizer and BioNTech announced Thursday that they have begun an evaluation on the safety and benefit of a third COVID-19 vaccine to protect against emerging variants of the virus.".

Good news is good news.

[Member #4698]

A few Soi Cowboy go-go's were open, just as reported below. There was dancing, but not nearly as many girls as usual. I think Crazy House had about 10, with various amounts of clothing. Only one was really to my liking, so I bought her a drink. The girl wanted the expensive drink, but I went full Cheap Charlie and got the regular drink. I had a good time, with a little grinding and gentle groping, but she was off in about 4 minutes. She must have some internal egg time that she set to "soft boiled". Would she have hung out longer with the expensive drink? I don't plan to find out. The staff seemed more aggressive than usual about lady drinks. Every 2 minutes they came to bring a girl or point one out. The prices here were the same as usual, whereas some other bars seemed to have promotions. I feel like Crazy House is just for looking (maybe the most nudity in town?); I get better customer service elsewhere.It is sad to hear CH is continuing with their errant ways of before the pandemic. Good management would have told the girls and the wait staff to treat the few existing customers like kings. Instead, it sounds like they are performing a variation of the practice that when business is down raise prices / lower service.

Oh well, I gave up on CH a long time before the pandemic arose when their best-looking girls started to drift away and the bar did not bring in quality girls to replace them. Service also began to decline a long time ago with the advent of entry drink requirements, lady drink & coke double orders, and other customer unfriendly innovations.

I look for 2 things in a Go Go: 1) pretty girls and 2) friendly attitudes. Pricing does not really concern me as evidenced by my liking of a couple Pattaya Agency Go Go's with high barfines. It impresses me in a very negative way when a Go Go presents fugly girls dancing nude on stage or when the girls in general appear to be all about gouging the customer for every little thing. I really hope CH gets its act together by the time I return to BKK because it was a great Go Go, my favorite when it first opened and for a couple of years after, but I would not bet on it.

[Banana Boi]

New mutations are expected anytime. Just read there is a new New York mutation.

[Danny Duck]

And how many non-sex workers in Thailand do you know to base that assumption on?

You do realize Thailand is a military dictatorship right? OK it may be called something else but that's what it really is. The common people have no say in it. Some like to travel and millions have someone who works in a tourist related industry, others are scared of covid. The real reason Thailand will be super careful is because those in power want to stay there. Country stays closed cases low = they maintain their positions and keep lining their pockets. They open the country up and maybe it turns out ok but if a massive covid wave hits there will be protests and they could be ousted from power. They care nothing for the plight of the common people, but like most politicians do whatever it is that keeps them in power the longest.Come to think of it. I may have erred. The people that want to keep Borders shut are the Farangs in Pattaya. Read Thaivisa most want to keep Borders closed.

About Thais- polling says keep it shut too. Not want catch Covid from dirty Farang.

[AggieDad1]

Exactly, the young are being hit bad. New mutations are expected anytime. And as is said a covid free world is not expected any time soon. Its here to stay for ever. With mutations that will defy vaccines, until vaccines are modified to cope with deadly mutations if such a thing is possible.Covid has always been with us. Covid is one of the main virus behind the common cold. Covid-19 is a very deadly form of the Covid virus. Every time a virus mutates it does not always get worse. Infections rates are dropping all over the world. I am confident that it will be a few years before the Wuhan lab lets out another killer strain of the virus. Relax, the world will return to normal soon.

[RacShack]

It is sad to hear CH is continuing with their errant ways of before the pandemic. Good management would have told the girls and the wait staff to treat the few existing customers like kings. Instead, it sounds like they are performing a variation of the practice that when business is down raise prices / lower service.

Oh well, I gave up on CH a long time before the pandemic arose when their best-looking girls started to drift away and the bar did not bring in quality girls to replace them. Service also began to decline a long time ago with the advent of entry drink requirements, lady drink & coke double orders, and other customer unfriendly innovations.

I look for 2 things in a Go Go: 1) pretty girls and 2) friendly attitudes. Pricing does not really concern me as evidenced by my liking of a couple Pattaya Agency Go Go's with high barfines. It impresses me in a very negative way when a Go Go presents fugly girls dancing nude on stage or when the girls in general appear to be all about gouging the customer for every little thing. I really hope CH gets its act together by the time I return to BKK because it was a great Go Go, my favorite when it first opened and for a couple of years after, but I would not bet on it.Everything you said and (never happened to me) but seen them doing it, charging a cover charge! I've got lucky multiple times always just kept walking before they ask, but I also was done when I got attitude when I refused double lady drink, a real shame it was a fun club!

[Franciscass]

Thai air have flogged off all their long haul jets so are not expecting things to pick up any time soon. Along with BA and other airlines. They were verging on bankruptcy.It needs to be taken out of state control. The brand has value and owns valuable slots but unless its privatized and a Willie Walsh or a Michael O'Leary takes the helm it's a black hole sucking in billions of baht.

[Turgid]

What happens if you take both the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines. Do you get double protection?

[HorseTrader]

What happens if you take both the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines. Do you get double protection?You get scolded for Bogarting the vaccine.

I can't imagine that anyone has done a meaningful test on that. They are individually 95% effective and they use the same technology.

[Rodwint2]

You get scolded for Bogarting the vaccine.

I can't imagine that anyone has done a meaningful test on that. They are individually 95% effective and they use the same technology.

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is a different type of vaccine and may be a good mix with either the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccines according to some scientists. Who can really say?

[Stykler]

You get scolded for Bogarting the vaccine.The last time I got scolded for Bogarting was when I was sharing a joint! Oh the memories.

[Banana Boi]

What happens if you take both the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines. Do you get double protection?Hopefully criminally charged. People should be embarrassed for trying to double up on doses while others likely much needier that they are haven't received a shot. The most disgusting story I have read so far are the 2 Florida women who dressed up as old ladies to get to the front of the line for their shots.

[Detwing1]

Well, on a positive note, most bars seemed to be open last night.

Checked out Soi 4 and Nana. Open.

Checked out Thermae. Open.

Didn't have enough time to go to Cowboy.

Some decent talent around and not many punters, but everything closes at 11 (apparently the BKK strain of virus only comes out after 11).

Very few tourists. Mainly guys staying here long term.

[RacShack]

Well, on a positive note, most bars seemed to be open last night.

Checked out Soi 4 and Nana. Open.

Checked out Thermae. Open.

Didn't have enough time to go to Cowboy.

Some decent talent around and not many punters, but everything closes at 11 (apparently the BKK strain of virus only comes out after 11).

Very few tourists. Mainly guys staying here long term.Very vague bud, nana plaza all strip clubs open, or how may bars open more then half or just the bar on ground floor, because I heard some or all open on March 2 or 4th, thanks for any information on! Stay safe have fun!

[Banana Boi]

but everything closes at 11 (apparently the BKK strain of virus only comes out after 11).At least in Pattaya most of the Thai bars, discos, lounges, after hour shisha bars don't open or get going until after 11 pm. The 11 pm rule is possibly to control the Thai.

Nice to hear BKK is opening up again. Road trip time.

[Franciscass]

Well, on a positive note, most bars seemed to be open last night.

Checked out Soi 4 and Nana. Open.

Checked out Thermae. Open.

Didn't have enough time to go to Cowboy.

Some decent talent around and not many punters, but everything closes at 11 (apparently the BKK strain of virus only comes out after 11).

Very few tourists. Mainly guys staying here long term.Cowboy go go's Saturday night, many closed, those open had few punters. The only watering hole that was anyway busy was old style music venue Country Road. The clientele as far as I could judge were ex pats who admittedly while not all mostly find the lady drinks hustle, bar fine, 2 K to 3 K ST go go scene a been there done that experience.

[Detwing1]

At least in Pattaya most of the Thai bars, discos, lounges, after hour shisha bars don't open or get going until after 11 pm. The 11 pm rule is possibly to control the Thai.

Nice to hear BKK is opening up again. Road trip time.On a side note, some of these FL's must be / have been receiving good support from overseas farangs.

Had a drink with one FL last night who was actually quite hot, who told me it was only her second day back to "work" (believe it if you want). She was really proud of her brand new iPhone 12 pro max and showed me some of it's features. She also had an expensive hand bag, dressed well and was telling me about how nice her condo is, which for a woman from Issan, sending money back home to support a kid, seems phenomenal.

I ended up buying her a couple of lady drinks and had some interesting conversations with her. Apparently she has farang contacts all over the west (US, Canada, EU).

Didn't take her home. Didn't get a quote. Just bought her a couple of lady drinks (quite cheap) and tipped her a small amount for her time. I was upfront with her at the beginning about not wanting to take her home.

[Lobowmc]

What happens if you take both the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines. Do you get double protection?About the same effect as using two condoms. Doesn't double your protection.