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Ah mate, I had to give him the benefit of the doubt for 15 seconds because I wear a backwards hat (say while photoing), and many of us Yanks do, but because I'm a bit hard of hearing it took me another 20 seconds to give him, as you would put it, a maximum wanker score.
In fact, I moved him from mere wanker to t*at in the next five seconds, then felt the shame and revulsion that he is a fellow Yank, then a few seconds flush with triumph that any girl who I chose shall be mine even if he was waving a fan of thousand be notes, then and finally another five seconds to exit.
The bad thing about video is the egotistical acting experts who know nothing. Its better to rely on the written word you find here.I'm in Australia where some guys like to think their all that with their Americanisms. The Bro', high five, hat on backwards, etc. If its your natural culture fair enough.
Fuuny thing was when Khris Kross came out some guys here started to wear their jeans on backwards until they found out why you do that. LOL.
HorseTrader
01-05-23, 06:45
Just curious are you of Asian ethnicity? Or do you let the girl pick you in the gogo? I realize that the vast majority of girls are available to be bar fined but in my experience not the hot ones. Especially with non-Asian guys.I'm an old farang with a very calm personality. Yes, I sort of let the girls pick me. I'll watch the girls dance and I watch which one(s) are eyeballing me. In a typical group of 12 girls dancing on a single stage, I may notice about 3 who make steady eye contact with me. After their dance, I might buy the most appealing girl a drink and discuss doing a bar fine.
It only takes one girl to make it a great evening. Sometimes I get the prettiest girl in the bar. Sometimes I end up with a girl who isn't the prettiest one. Most of the time I don't BF anyone and I just move to another venue. My last trip I only BF 2 go go girls, the other days I found what I needed in different places.
Lucky Nuts
01-05-23, 06:54
I'm an old farang with a very calm personality. Yes, I sort of let the girls pick me. I'll watch the girls dance and I watch which one(s) are eyeballing me. In a typical group of 12 girls dancing on a single stage, I may notice about 3 who make steady eye contact with me. After their dance, I might buy the most appealing girl a drink and discuss doing a bar fine.
It only takes one girl to make it a great evening. Sometimes I get the prettiest girl in the bar. Sometimes I end up with a girl who isn't the prettiest one. Most of the time I don't BF anyone and I just move to another venue. My last trip I only BF 2 go go girls, the other days I found what I needed in different places.Thanks HorseTrader. Think I'll give your strategy a try as mine has been frustrating.
I am often refused BF in gogos. Admittedly I'm usually asking one of the 3 or 4 hottest girls in the club. I've seen some super hot girls that never appeared to leave with anyone and only agree to have drinks with customers. And then I've seen other hotties that were happy to go with old Asian guys after saying no to me. Just curious are you of Asian ethnicity? Or do you let the girl pick you in the gogo? I realize that the vast majority of girls are available to be bar fined but in my experience not the hot ones. Especially with non-Asian guys.If you're a tall guy which farangs usually are compared to Asians, they might not want you cause of your size. I had a fiwfans appt where they asked if I'm bigger than 56 which they will refuse service, when I mentioned I'm farang. Figured 56 is the condom size. Someone later mentioned to me farang is more for non Asian.
Thanks for recommending a worthless minute I will never get back. If that Dude is the new age expert on Thailand, folks that rely on You Tube are lost.Sorry, no sympathy from me. Once you consider the post's author, how would you possibly consider anything else than the inevitable BS time waste. Most members contribute, a few just litter.
For ME, if I'm in Thailand, about the last thing I'd be doing is watching Thai street videos as some others seem to do. Why watch when you can see it with your own eyes? I'd be out on the street myself, FIRST hand experience. The sights, sounds, smells, interactions ... Or up-country, maybe along the Cambodian border. Maybe I'm just old school (well, no maybe about it, "You never understood that it ain't no good, You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you" ). I don't know, maybe someone has a virtual reality headset, watching videos, totally immersed, mesmerized, and thinks it IS reality, and he's THERE. For me, watching football passes some time, but given a chance, I want to PLAY, be IN the game, "Put me in coach, I want to hit someone. ".
Long Time Lurker, First Time Monger NICELY done. Looking forward to any continuations. CONTRIBUTIONS such as these are exactly why this forum is so useful.
Some places insist on tablets, not lineups, especially those of the "factory assembly line" variety. Too disruptive of feeding the line to have the availables come out, line up, choice made, couple minutes later, repeat, repeat, repeat. Don Quixote comes to mind. Still, I DO appreciate the live lineup.
I'm an old farang with a very calm personality. Yes, I sort of let the girls pick me. I'll watch the girls dance and I watch which one(s) are eyeballing me. In a typical group of 12 girls dancing on a single stage, I may notice about 3 who make steady eye contact with me. After their dance, I might buy the most appealing girl a drink and discuss doing a bar fine.
It only takes one girl to make it a great evening. Sometimes I get the prettiest girl in the bar. Sometimes I end up with a girl who isn't the prettiest one. Most of the time I don't BF anyone and I just move to another venue. My last trip I only BF 2 go go girls, the other days I found what I needed in different places.Best way to do it, IMHO. Why waste time trying to convince a disinterested girl to come with you when there are other attractive ones who do. She should be trying to convince YOU to take her. For me, it just nicely whittles down the pool to true potentials. I do have to find the girl attractive, but the "form over function" I just don't get; perhaps it's an ego trip for the ones who DIDN'T get the prom queen in high school. Myself, I want someone who besides looks, and skill, adds fun and banter. Making googly eyes at someone, hoping that she'll return the gaze, PASS.
Besides the agogos dancing lineups, works for any type of live lineup, as in MP's. I look for the attractive ones who are smiling and making eye contact with me. YMMV.
I've been using Schwab at the ATM here and notice fees seem to be 220 baht at the different ATM's I've tried. When we get the ATM rebate from Schwab will it be at the rate for each day I used the ATM or will it be at the rate of the day we get the rebate. IE.
Jan 1 220 baht fee, rate at 34.5 = 6.38.
Jan 2 220 baht fee, rate at 34.1 = 6.45.
Jan 31 I think when we get the rebate lets says rate is 33.3.
Will we get $13.21 back (rate on day of rebate).
Or 6.38+6.45 = $12.83.
Any one else penny pinchers and figured this out? Thanks!
And yeah the maseros in the Tijuana bars can be really annoying, and can try to short change customers or play that stupid hide the stacks of peso coins on the edges of the round tray trick. But also in Thailand need to keep track of the bin especially if buying a lot of drinks over a long period of time. So similarities there on getting scammed on the negative side.
As for shows, pre COVID at least there were sleazier shows in parts of Thailand than in Hong Kong even with the dildos and shaving cream and occasional pussy eating. But the ones I can think of were in Pattaya (Windmill, X-Zone from the past) more so than Bangkok. But some small bars even on Soi Cowboy can be sleazier than anything in Hong Kong, like getting a BJ behind the bar more or less out in the open or even having a girl sit on your dick right in the bar.Pablo, this is not for you, but for the original poster, TjBrazil. Just BUILDING on what you posted for him.
It's been reported on some forums that some Soi Cowboy bars are pulling ladydrink rip-offs, with overpriced lady drinks, NOT the ones you think you're ordering, multiple lady drinks when you meant one, and other rips. Preventive measures detailed here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2776395&viewfull=1#post2776395
Just eyes open.
Wasn't it AfterSkool bar, Cowboy, that had the naughty boy's corner?
Showing my age, Patpong, a LONG time ago, was notorious for it's upstairs' bars shows, displaying the various utilities that a vagina could be used for, shooting, writing, drinking ... Back then, caution had to be used as some bars were notorious for MAJOR rip-offs. Solution given to me was to pull a bg from Nana have her be my bodyguard. It worked. I vaguely remember recently reading somewhere about some rip-offs having reappeared.
Check out the ROD's Reports of Distinction, Blue Nose reports on BJ bars. I can personally vouch, Nov 2022, for Meet the World (several FR's written), and, previous years, SOL Star of Light (though Nov 2022 closed, hopefully for renovations, though, for me, one renovation, LONG time ago, when they closed off the bar's curtain cutouts, was a real loss). Can be fun for some, YMMV.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2760241&viewfull=1#post2760241
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2763165&viewfull=1#post2763165
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2765922&viewfull=1#post2765922
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2773005&viewfull=1#post2773005
Lots of scene on the street (except when it was raining), after Nana closes at 2 ish, especially fun if you're a bargain hunter.
I was quoted standard 1500ST mostly, though you can bargain lower. A mix of freelancers, cast-offs, lady-boys. There was a contingent of deaf girls if that's your thing. Variety is the spice of life.
Most of the girls off-shift from Nana itself are done with work and just looking to go home, but you can tell who's still available. Check the parking lot (still the place), also check the convenience store (gas station) at the corner with Sukhumvit.
I spent less time inside Nana than on the street. It's sort of overwhelming choice. Which of the five rainbows do you go to? How many places to check before making a choice? Or just get a drink and hang out in the middle food court? But beer messes with my performance and booze messes with my focus. Yikes. Anyway I find it challenging when there's one or several girls I'd take at each place, and I don't want to pick from the first place so I keep looking and looking. It helps to go late (after 1 am), things are calmer and no pushiness. Think of it like going to the club back home at closing time to see who hasn't hooked up yet. It's a vibe.
For the record there were only a few girls on stage at most of the places I checked that late (between 2 and 7 each place), but there was at least one I'd do at every spot.
Good people watching and street food options too. If Thai street food isn't your thing, head north of Sukhumvit and there's a bunch of places open late within a half kilometer including some middle-eastern restaurants.
I love Bangkok at night.Good intel, maybe there is hope for Mark Z to score a 1500 pull, and while not IN a Nana agogo, certainly outside of Nana.
The Nana Hotel parking lot is an institution in and of itself. NPL: National Punting Landmark.
Decades ago, I was given some great advice from an ole BKK hand: don't try to find the best girl. Find one you like from where you are, pursue, if successful, take home and enjoy. If not, try the next, and if you've exhausted that bar, move to another. I used to try and bookmark, thinking that after 3 or 4 bars, I'd remember the best, then return and pull. But often times, by the time I made it back, she would be gone. If you think she's hot, others will too. So I limit bookmarking to next nights, return early and check it out. Otherwise, like you say, you can be overwhelmed by choice, and you just waste time overcome by indecision. After all, there is always tomorrow, either tomorrow, or next trip. So I just select from the dishes in front of me on that table. If nothing comes to fruition, THEN I try another table.
Was interesting that there were still possibilities around at that hour. Unfortunately, I'm past that, and I can't remember when I closed down a bar. 2 AM is my closing time, as in "show's over", sleep. But there was a time ... Back in my day, said to draw snickers, it was safe to walk up the odd soi side of Sukhumvit; ladyboys hung out on the even soi side. Plus, Thermae was on the odd side, and on the way home.
For non-alcoholic, I ask if they have nam-a-now (lime juice). Most won't but you can get lucky. Certainly out on the Soi 4 street front bars, a possibility. If not, I slip the waitress a 20 with a "this is yours', and ask for a FRESH soda water (nothing more yuch than flat anything). Keeps the senses and performance working.
Agree with the people watching, for whatever reason, Morning and Night, sitting on the rail. Catch the attention of one of the charcoal grillers, some skewers of pork, some of chicken, with at least one skewer of chilis to make things tasty. Seems that the later it got, the taster they were. Also enjoy people watching on Tilac's veranda, though perhaps due to historical memory, I still prefer the grilled offerings from Nana.
No actionable info BRO. Hahahaha.You're right, for some; not a youtube link in the FR. Unbelievable, I know.
One issue I'll cover.
Nana Plaza short time rooms.
If you read back since June 2022 I covered this issue. Hahaha.
In a nutshell, no change going into 2024.
Lose lose lose, all around.YOU covered the issue? Which you? Hmmm, interesting, since your earliest post, at least in THIS incarnation, was 12-22-22*06:49, the one deleted by the admin. So, June 2022?
Tim Timms 11-03-22*.
Giannis Gianni 12-16-22.
If you give a reference, you have to cite. Otherwise, it's just of the same BS. Yes, knowing how to search is great at catching the JV wannabees.
Sorry, no sympathy from me. Once you consider the post's author, how would you possibly consider anything else than the inevitable BS time waste. Most members contribute, a few just litter.
On the other hand, some members endlessly pontificate which means I have to wade through repetitious verbiage that to find a nugget. Its all good.
Thanks HorseTrader. Think I'll give your strategy a try as mine has been frustrating.Look good or unusual, smell good, smile, tip the waitress some coin, be jolly, super smile at the one that strikes your eye and see how she reacts.
I have my own criteria, which is irrelevant to all of you. That said, no find her there or here, o well, tomorrow is another day.
Will I get a better exchange rate cashing in $ 100 USD bills versus using an ATM card exclusive of fees in Thailand.
So is the actual exchange rate better than the ATM rate with brand new $ 100 USD bills.
HorseTrader
01-05-23, 21:30
Any one else penny pinchers and figured this out? Thanks!Yea. I check too. Same result with Fidelity where the exchange rate is almost identical to what is posted on XE.com.
Pablo, this is not for you, but for the original poster, TjBrazil. Just BUILDING on what you posted for him.
It's been reported on some forums that some Soi Cowboy bars are pulling ladydrink rip-offs, with overpriced lady drinks, NOT the ones you think you're ordering, multiple lady drinks when you meant one, and other rips. Preventive measures detailed here:
Wasn't it AfterSkool bar, Cowboy, that had the naughty boy's corner?I'll do a reply anyway as I think parts were directed to me.
Yes it was Afterskool a few times, but even better / sleazier was Fannie's right next door. In fact way more than just a BJ was on offer there and I partook many times. I was a regular at Fannie's for many years, never had very hot girls but I always had a blast as anything goes in there. The past 5 years or so (even before covid) it went way downhill, started hiring the dreaded coyotes and was just terrible. I also went a lot to fannie's sister bars Moonshine and Jungle Jim. Toy Bar is the other but was never as permissive as the other 3.
I know I've had my bin padded in some Soi Cowboy bars that I won't mention as it was awhile ago and I don't have firm proof. And yeah the girls want to order a tequila coke which is not a single drink but a shot and a side coke which they sip (or drink fast), so you get double billed. I'd allow it sometimes but tried to keep it in check. The deal was the 2 girls with me and my primary girl would give us cover for activities on the couch. I always just took it as the cost of the fun, as I know it was just part of the game. I know I didn't have to buy all the drinks, but I had fun and was a regular back then.
Showing my age, Patpong, a LONG time ago, was notorious for it's upstairs' bars shows, displaying the various utilities that a vagina could be used for, shooting, writing, drinking ... Back then, caution had to be used as some bars were notorious for MAJOR rip-offs. Solution given to me was to pull a bg from Nana have her be my bodyguard. It worked. I vaguely remember recently reading somewhere about some rip-offs having reappeared.I haven't been to Patpong since covid, but for me it improved a lot over when it was really bad maybe 10+ years ago. I liked SOL and that I think was the craziest bar there, I walked in on a lot of guys getting BJs right in the open and even one guy doing the deed with a girl right at the bar. There was a girl named rabbit who was notorious there, but damn I guess that was like 15 years ago. I have a trip next month, can anyone tell me their opinion of how Patpong is now?
As for choosing the girl, sometimes I go after the hottest girl but it rarely works out. If I'm getting a lukewarm vibe or even just some instinctual sense that she's not that interested I pass. I've made some bad choices but for me the key is to trust my instincts while we're hanging out over drinks, before the subject of BF is brought up. I don't bat 1. 000 but I do fairly good taking the ones who are having fun with me and give off a good vibe that they're interested in my company. And yeah it's rarely the hottest girl in the bar unless it's a small place.
As for girls that won't go I did say all girls go but yeah that's wrong as more and more it seems the number that won't increases. There are the dreaded coyote girls who are there just for eye candy and to lure in customers. If I suspect that's what they are, I ask right off "do you go with customer?" before buying the first drink. I never want to waste time sitting with a coyote where the best outcome is to get her LINE and overpay for her when she gets off work. Then there's also the drink girls in some go gos, like Sapphire in Pattaya which comes to mind as I go there a lot.
Anyway, love your mentioning of things from the past. I'm not one to say things were better back whenever in the past, things just evolve. Still every time I go, even my trips during the middle of covid when almost everything was shut, are fun. I'll be back late next month and coming with a good friend who's never been there. It's fun to me to show someone new around, the feeling of awe and wonder from them makes me remember wayyyyy back when Thailand was new to me.
Will I get a better exchange rate cashing in $ 100 USD bills versus using an ATM card exclusive of fees in Thailand.
So is the actual exchange rate better than the ATM rate with brand new $ 100 USD bills.ATM rate with Schwab seems to be better, if the Schwab fees rebate uses same rate at time of withdrawal. Its been about 15 baht fee, compared to like 21 baht lowest I seen on the kiosk but avg about 30.
Cha Chumplin
01-06-23, 02:46
On the other hand, some members endlessly pontificate which means I have to wade through repetitious verbiage that to find a nugget. Its all good.Imagine sitting next to this guy on a two hour flight. He will make it seem like you are on a 27 hour trip to the Moon.
Will I get a better exchange rate cashing in $ 100 USD bills versus using an ATM card exclusive of fees in Thailand.
So is the actual exchange rate better than the ATM rate with brand new $ 100 USD bills.Drawing cash at the ATM will be 3-5% (depending on your bank fees) worse than changing cash at a good money changer. The Thai banks money changing outlets do not offer the best money exchange rates. Especially at the airport arrival area the rates are really bad. The best money changer which is trustworthy and has the best money exchange rates is Superrich. The have many outlets across BKK. Check their exchange rates and locations on their website: https://www.superrichthailand.com/#en / exchange.
The Kaiser
01-06-23, 06:41
NICELY done. Looking forward to any continuations. CONTRIBUTIONS such as these are exactly why this forum is so useful.
Some places insist on tablets, not lineups, especially those of the "factory assembly line" variety. Too disruptive of feeding the line to have the availables come out, line up, choice made, couple minutes later, repeat, repeat, repeat. Don Quixote comes to mind. Still, I DO appreciate the live lineup.
Best way to do it, IMHO. Why waste time trying to convince a disinterested girl to come with you when there are other attractive ones who do. She should be trying to convince YOU to take her. For me, it just nicely whittles down the pool to true potentials. I do have to find the girl attractive, but the "form over function" I just don't get; perhaps it's an ego trip for the ones who DIDN'T get the prom queen in high school. Myself, I want someone who besides looks, and skill, adds fun and banter. Making googly eyes at someone, hoping that she'll return the gaze, PASS..Yeah, I think my reasons for preferring a line up are the same. I just give them a glance with my signature smirk and I look for the twinkle in their eye. Idk how to describe it exactly but it's that flirty look that tells me it'll be worth it. Also after using a bunch of other services and judging by photos, you almost never even get close to what you thought you were getting. I'll post the my reports for the last week, which should hopefully be more detailed since it's fresh.
Also I hear you're a veteran around these parts so feel free to critique any of my reports for details I may have omitted.
Never knew BKK would treat me to such wonderful options via seeking. Having used it extensively in the middle east, I went ahead (last week) and got in touch with a few girls via seeking. ST (3-4 hours) ranged from THB6000 all the way till THB20000 (which seemed a bit steep). Chose one of the girls at THB7500 and wow was she an absolute stunner? Everything was on the menu including A-level (extremely tight). 3/4 hours seemed like an absolute dream. Here for another week so meeting another girl (who works at an event management company) later tonight. Will report on it.
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And then I've seen other hotties that were happy to go with old Asian guys after saying no to me. Just curious are you of Asian ethnicity? Or do you let the girl pick you in the gogo? ...That has happened to me numerous times, in both Thailand and the Phil. I learned, over the years, to just move on to the next one. In the rare case where it is someone that I just got to have, then I start offering more money. That has always worked for me.
Will I get a better exchange rate cashing in $ 100 USD bills versus using an ATM card exclusive of fees in Thailand.
So is the actual exchange rate better than the ATM rate with brand new $ 100 USD bills.No. From my recent experiences in Thailand, the ATM (exclusive of fees) will always be slightly better.
The only exceptions I've noticed will be at some places in Vietnam, and the black market in Seoul (it should still be in Namdaemun). The new US hundred bills will get a better rate in those places.
And yeah the girls want to order a tequila coke which is not a single drink but a shot and a side coke which they sip (or drink fast), so you get double billed. I'd allow it sometimes but tried to keep it in check.
I haven't been to Patpong since covid, but for me it improved a lot over when it was really bad maybe 10+ years ago. I liked SOL and that I think was the craziest bar there, I walked in on a lot of guys getting BJs right in the open and even one guy doing the deed with a girl right at the bar. There was a girl named rabbit who was notorious there, but damn I guess that was like 15 years ago. I have a trip next month, can anyone tell me their opinion of how Patpong is now?
Anyway, love your mentioning of things from the past. I'm not one to say things were better back whenever in the past, things just evolve. Still every time I go, even my trips during the middle of covid when almost everything was shut, are fun. I'll be back late next month and coming with a good friend who's never been there. It's fun to me to show someone new around, the feeling of awe and wonder from them makes me remember wayyyyy back when Thailand was new to me.Stick had a recent article (Suzie Wong) about the double billed lady drinks. At least there, they're served in the same size glasses as the customers drink from.
I liked one quote from Stick: In the past when you brought a lady a drink, it was appreciated. Now it's expected.
I never cared that much for Patpong, except for some of the institutions there. But I'd always take a visitor there just because if they couldn't say they'd seen Patpong, then the never-been-but-know-everything people back home would say, "You didn't see Patpong? Then you haven't seen the BKK red light district". Was certainly worth several afternoon visits in Nov-Dec 2022. FR's in the links in my post that you responded to.
SOL, Nov-early Dec 2022, was closed, another poster said "for renovations". Hopefully, an industrial steam cleaning. But certainly a memorable place. I'll suggest taking your friend there and buying him a beer and a BJ. You'll talk about it for decades (personal experience, thank you Sporadic).
The other option is Meet the World, same side, upstairs from SOL, much closer to Surawong. Buy him a beer, ring the bell, and treat him to a BJ swarm. Given 4 are a bit of overkill, 3 for him, remainder for you?
Both places institutions, and typical of BKK, if you can't find happiness in one, you can in the other. BKK, still plenty of fun to be had.
The Kaiser
01-06-23, 09:46
*30 Dec.
Barely slept the past the 2 days and took a short nap before booking through **Body Bliss Bangkok* I tried Smooci first, but they aren't accepting Visa for premium memberships and Mastercard Debit wasn't going through either. I contacted their support team, but they were of no help. For Body Bliss, you use line and pick the service and photo of who you want. You can ask for specific services since some girls won't even do BBBJ. I booked **Madam K* who was maybe 50% of what I expected from her profile photo. She had a piggish nose, chubbier cheeks and a round and smaller chin. She was very comfortable and took the lead. Started off with a fantastic massage and she even teased my inner thighs, which was a nice touch. The BBBJ was great, but since CIM was off the menu, I had to move to the main course. When I brought it up earlier, she told me not to rush. She was very good at leading the entire process. This was the first time I was comfortable just enjoying the ride. She got on top and had fantastic hip movement. The kissing was mediocre, like most girls. After I finished, she cleaned me up and then washed up. We had some genuinely good conversation for the remainder of our time and I appreciated that she waited for the clock to run out instead of ducking out early. She was very affectionate and professional and I can definitely recommend her services. She recommended a bunch of places for me to go to New Years and the Jodd's fair for street food.
Total Damages= 2500 - 60 minutes FS - 1 shot.
*31 Dec.
Woke up really late after catching up on sleep and I had to plan what to do for New Years. The last time I celebrated was in 2018, but being on holiday in a foreign country felt like the worst scenario for sleeping at 10 PM like I had been doing for the past few years. I looked for a night club and Insanity looked lit, but their website said they were closed and the phone number did not exist. Chit Lom looked too family friendly for my liking and anything along the river seemed too far. I thought about finally heading to Nana or Sir Cowboy, but I though NYE might not be the best time for my inaugural visit. I finally decided on **The PIMP Club* They advertise very heavily on a bunch of websites and their photos make it look like a wild club. I booked a table at the live zone and got a taxi there.
The hostess led me to a table just by the stage. My first impression was that it was pretty sad. There were about 8 tables by the stage, some closer and some further away. There was a whole section of sofas of to the right of the stage. They had a pretty good band. Amazing drummer and their female vocalist was killing it! Most of the tables had boring looking men and bored women staring off or on their phones. I thought I had made a mistake. I ordered a Corona to start with, planning to grab a bite and cut my losses.
The mamasan then came over and asked me if I'd like some company for the evening. She explained the rates and that I had to also buy a "mamasan drink". The parade approached and I picked the first girl in the girl, because she had that twinkle in the eye and she looked a little to the side shyly. Shared by Corona with Angpow and shared her E-cig. She was cute enough, so I decided to switch to a tower of heienekin. The night progressed very well, escalating kino along the way. I ordered a couple shots for us since I felt a touch too sober. Angpow teased me my putting the salt on her chest, and I called her bluff by cleaning it up. Once she started grabbing my crotch, I thought making out wouldn't be crossing any lines. She was a great kisser! I could tell she liked it rough too from the way she held my neck and the intense eye contact. She called a couple of her friend over in between. A bikini girl had a shot with her, when I though one of those were supposed to be for me. The waiters wanted to push some food on us, but I had already eaten, so I let her pick out what she wanted. She got a fruit platter and chicken tenders with fried. If I didn't keep feeding her fruit, chicken and fried, I think the plates would remain untouched. I fed the friends she brought over too teasing them about how skinny they were. We got another round of shots for Angpow, the bikini friend and myself. I used Angpow as my plate, licking the salt off her chest and drinking the lime juice straight from her mouth, which proceeded to some real hot kissing. I never mentioned by they have a dice game and Rock Paper Scissors to get past any awkwardness, you should definitely use it as an ask to flirt! Angpow kept offering me cigarettes so I started lighting them up for her. One of the times, I decided to give her the first drag by mouth to mouth. My ex told me it's pretty sexy, so I've included in my repertoire, but this is the first time I used it.
The mamasan said it was closing time, but I was having too much of a good time and wanted to play with Angpow some more. The rest of the night is a little of a blur since I had ordered another tower of Heineken and the shots were making their way into my bloodstream. All I remember was tripping and whacking my nose on a speaker. Fortunately there was only a little bleeding, so it didn't impede the debauchery. There was heavy making out and I took Angpow's panties halfway down her ass before she resisted, so I pulled it back up. Her dress was too tight to pull up, so I went lower teasing her crotch with my chin and nose until I slid it to the slid and went down on her. Her bikini friend came in later and all the alcohol finally had enough of my body, deciding to exit the way it entered. The bikini model accompanied me to the bathroom and rubbed my back. I felt like I was 19 again. She was having a lot of fun babying me, I must have been very amusing to watch.
At the end of the night, the mamasan came in with the bill. They had billed me for an extra shot, so even if my inebriated state I got the price down 300 for that. I don't think I calculated the exact hours and the private room. While clarifying the bill, I realized I was down to my boxer briefs and I thought arguing dressed like this might not be the most credible approach, so I got my clothes back on. At some point Angpow wanted to leave. She looked pretty drunk and I escorted her to the exit. Looking back she may have been put off by some of my antics, but my drunken memory is too poor to know for sure. On my way out the bikini model gave me a kiss and mentioned how amusing it was to see a man in his underwear. It was apparently a first for her.
**Total Damages** = THB 16690 - 3 ish hours in Live Zone, 3 ish hours in a small private room, 2 Heineken towers, 1 Corona, 7 Tequilas and a solid set of blue balls.
Mamasan booked me a cab and I kissed her on the cheek before leaving. The taxi tried to keep my change, but even my drunken self has enough math skills to get the 13 baht I was owed. Cheap and petty, but I was warmed up to avoid getting ripped off from the previous encounter of the night.
*1 Jan.
Woke up quite hungover and horny af. Had to process the happenings of the night before, like I do after most of my wild nights. Check my wounds, found my white watch had been stained blue but I have no idea how. The watch even had a strand of hair stuck in it and I'm pretty sure I plucked it out while making out and can only hope it didn't hurt her too much. I took a while stewing my options and contacting a bunch of places on Line. Most didn't respond and I was way too lazy to leave my room and I didn't even want to get dressed. Finally decided to try Body Bliss again since they were very prompt the first time. The selection was much slimmer for 2 PM on New Year's Day, but that was to be expected. Dao shows up and looks nothing like her photo. It might be rude, but her face was covered in acne scars and she had a low wide jaw that reminds me of 70 year old edentulous women. Her body was very tight though and I finally understood the phrase "Cover the face, Fuck the base". I had booked her for 2 hours and instantly regretted it. I started with massage since I didn't think I could get it upright away. Her massage was very repetitive and seemed to have no purpose. I finally got bored and asked to move onto the action. No BBBJ because she was a clean freak. She believed bacteria can be spread and cause major problems. Despite being a medical professional, my limited explanation wasn't enough to convince her and I decided it wasn't worth the effort since I wasn't looking forward to seeing her face on my little friend.
She rolled the condom on and blew me to get me hard. She got on top, but it was obvious she had no idea what she doing. She was tired 2 minutes later. She lay down, but that is not a face for missionary so I got her on her knees. She didn't want to put her face down, which is the recommended position for doggy, but fuck it, I decided I would use her as a flashlight and masturbate. It's pretty dehumanizing, but she was getting paid for her work and I never mentioned it so that she wouldn't have her feelings hurt. Sometimes my chivalry astound me.
She massaged my thighs a little more before bringing up round 2. We did the tango almost exactly like the first time. She washed me up and left. No goodbye hugs or kisses, which was a first for me. She was even dressed so well, it's a real shame about her face. I truly hope she has boyfriends or customers who like it, because I really feel out of line judging her so strongly for it.
Total Damages: 4 k - 2 hours FS - 2 explosions.
Smoked a doobie and called it a night.
*2 Jan.
Decided to try fiwfans or sideline for the first time, since I wanted to cut down on how much I had been spending. I contacted around 10 girls, none of whom were working. The new year supply drought is definitely real! I finally decided to head to **Momo Massage* but no one was available. Mamasan told me very apologetically that they had very few girls working and recommended a girl who would be free in 30 minutes. I caved and went to grab a bite and a beer from a restaurant nearby. I was hesitant about spending time with a girl who had likely just finished with another client. Not for any macho imagined exclusivity because I'm not delusional, but because I was afraid she would be tired and maybe back to back clients might be an unpleasant experience.
With a belly full of Crab curry. Stir fried beef and beer, I was escorted by Lisa to the room. She initially had a look of defeat that only lasted an instant. She very professionally put on a cute front and the banter began. She was out of breath by the time we walked up to the fifth floor, so I taught her the best way to breathe. She wasn't nearly as cute as her photo despite the mamasan's assurances prior to my booking. She was attentive and affectionate though, so that more than compensated. Very much a GFE since she reminded me so much of my ex. If I closed my eyes, I would have thought I was with my ex again.
She had a very pretty Ankh tattoo and a lot of Chinese lettering. She like almost every other girl called me cute and hansom. I'm sure these compliments are performative at this point. She was great on top and had considerable endurance, missionary and doggy were fun too. We cuddled for a bit before round 2. Definitely a GFE! We showered and I left.
Total Damages: 2600 - 90 minutes FS - 2 servings of protein.
*3 Jan.
Looking for fiwfans and Sideline was a bust again and Analisa sent me a message saying they're closed till the 6th. I decided to be lazy and go somewhere within walking distance. I initially thought of Kiss Massage, but after dinner in Emquartier, I decided on **Angel 26** massage. Most of the girls must still be on holiday since there were all of about 10 girls in the fish bowl compared to the 30 or so the last time I visited. I caught eyes with my previous "therapist" but she averted her gaze. Another cutie was sitting front and center so I sat right beside her and gave her the sideways glance. She had the cute look away with the corner of her mouth curled into a controlled smirk. Nami's fate for the next hour was decided. Really cute and a good kisser, but one of the worst breast augmentations I have ever seen. The nipples were pointed in different directions and this was a subcutaneous implant and not a sub muscular one. For those unaware, submuscular implants are almost imperceptible, but with subcutaneous ones, you can feel the hemispherical foreign body and I personally find that a little jarring. It was today that I realized how much of a turn on a good kisser can be. I always thought it was a take it or leave it sort of thing, but not anymore.
Nami's massage was pathetic, but I think she knew it since she turned me over pretty quickly and got to work. Another BJ with a condom, but I was too enamored to object. She was great on top, in missionary and I finished in Doggy. Compared to my usual performances, this time my little friend was a little too eager to shoot. She gave me some more of her oil rubbing to run out the clock before washing me up. I made out a bit before, during and after the shower. She had such inviting eyes that I just could not contain myself. I even gave her a quick peck at the exit door.
Total Damages: 1900 - 60 minutes FS. Single serve.
*4 Jan.
Messaged one of the sideline girls from the days before to ask if she was working and I was in luck. I made a booking for 6 PM and got one with other work. I needed to check out a gym, buy a rabbit card and buy some wine but it looked too hot out, so I hit the hotel gym instead. By the time I showered and called for the cab, it was already 6 PM. I got to the hotel at 6:20 and she texted me her room. I knocked and it felt like opening a Christmas present. What was I going to get? Fortunately Min was cute. She was easily 10-15 kg heavier than her photos though. She asked me what I thought and I said I was OK, since I hadn't seen her photos since the day before and had forgotten. Without the expectations, I felt my little friend could work with her. She washed me, started with a BBBJ, rode me for a bit, till we switched to missionary, doggy and then missionary again. She was pretty tired by this point so I asked her to take her daily dose of protein. CIM was 400 extra but I was prepared for that. The night before, the entire sexual experience was encased by latex and it left me profoundly dissatisfied. Even if the sex is protected, the BBBJ satisfies that mucosal to mucosal contact that one would expect from the carnal activity. Once we finished, she asked me if I needed another round. I answered in the affirmative and she repeatedly brought up how little time there was and that she didn't think I'd be able to pull it off. It was during this exchange that I tacitly learned the Sideline timer starts when you book, even if you're late. Keep that in mind fellow tardy mongers! I opted to have her blow me for round 2, which was definitely tiring for her, but I always get my money's worth. She washed up and changed once she finished her meal and I followed suit. We chatted and kissed a bit while I paid her. She tried asking for a tip, but with my past experience I had a playful rebuttal in my back pocket. I grabbed her toy unicorn and told her here was a little tip. She complained that it was too small, so I grabbed my crotch and told her I already gave her a BIG tip already and asked her if she wanted some more. I got up up and gave her a peck on the cheek while she saw me out.
I saw a family checking in to this debaucherous hotel and it felt quite surreal that mongering and wholesome family moments are indistinguishable aspects of the human experience. Thus began a philosophical 3 km walk back to my hotel with a stop for dinner on the way.
**Total Damages: 2800 - 90 minutes FS (lost 20 due to being late)/ 2 rounds + 2 tastings for the girl.
*5 Jan.
Had an appointment for the 6th, so I spent most of my day preparing for that. I thought about going somewhere close if time allowed. I got done with work related stuff at 7:30 PM, so I went and bought my Rabbit card. On a side note, I must admit that the design is very suggestive. A bunny with adult written across it- My sister thought it was a male sign and the card was for condoms. Having had a productive day, the fitting end would be to bestow a sample of my greatness to a worthy individual! Time to try a BJ bar - 7 Heaven.
Having met a rude receptionist on my previous visit, I was somewhat prepared and ready to walk out if there was a repeat. I just picked from their money and walked through the dimly lit corridor to see an exuberant provider waiting for me. She cheerfully led me to a room of sorts. It was basically a partition section with a bed, a clothes stand, a broken sink and a telephonic shower. This being my first time in this sort of set up, I opted to wait on the bed until my Suckubus returned and guided me. She washed me in the sink and had me undress completely. Put took her top down. She had a rose tattoo that covered up a burn and she showed me another burn on the right side of chest. I surmised they were from an Iron given their triangular shape and how even the burn was. It looked like a clear case of abuse, but I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to bring it up or to express sympathy. Given her excessive cheerfulness, I decided to feign ignorance and ask her if she was thinking of another cover up tattoo for the other burn.
Onto the action, there was some scrotum licking. So far, I haven't been with a provider who knows how to lick to suck the male gonad. It's not something that I'm particularly into, so teaching them this skill isn't worth it to me. It's just a nice reprieve between the more enjoyable parts of the performance and the longer the show, the better the climax, so I have no complaints. COF and COB are charged extra, but CIM is included in the price, which is prefect for someone like me. She was the first provider who was okay with me grabbing her head tightly as I emptied into her throat. She did grip a little too tightly with her teeth, but she kept going the finish. She initially kept wiping up the spit with a tissue, but focused on the task at hand toward the latter half. Her moans were what I'd expect from a high school actor, so that was a bit of a turn off while also allowing me to prolong the entire experience. She washed me up and handed me my clothes while she pulled her top back up. We had to wait 5 minutes before I could leave since there was another customer in the waiting room. I just stared at her ass and thighs while I waited, observing her curiously shaped panties. When I left, I looked at the receptionist more closely. I realized that she was in fact very cut and just my type. At this point, I wasn't sure if I should make an offhand comment or if it would come off as unprofessional and a little sleazy, so I just said thank you and walked off into the night.
**Total Damages: 1300 - BBBJ + CIM.
*6 Jan.
My interview was successful and I am in a celebratory mood. I have just finished my third glass of scotch while spilling the degenerate side of my soul to the random internet strangers (I love you guys). I am considering hitting up a soapy like Poseidon or the Office and then maybe capping off the night at The PIMP. Still not sure of my plans, but Imma go grab a sandwich and think about it. I'm still dressed in my suit and I feel like doing a businessman sort of night, so I'm not chaining out of it.
Any suggestions from the more senior veterans on this forums would be greatly appreciated!
The Kaiser
01-06-23, 09:51
Never knew BKK would treat me to such wonderful options via seeking. Having used it extensively in the middle east, I went ahead (last week) and got in touch with a few girls via seeking. ST (3-4 hours) ranged from THB6000 all the way till THB20000 (which seemed a bit steep). Chose one of the girls at THB7500 and wow was she an absolute stunner? Everything was on the menu including A-level (extremely tight). 3/4 hours seemed like an absolute dream. Here for another week so meeting another girl (who works at an event management company) later tonight. Will report on it.Thanks for the Tip! 6 k for 3-4 hours seems reasonable I hadn't checked SA in forever, since I remember most of them were for long term sugar babies and my bank account isn't ready to be a sugar daddy just yet LOL.
Stick had a recent article (Suzie Wong) about the double billed lady drinks. At least there, they're served in the same size glasses as the customers drink from.
I liked one quote from Stick: In the past when you brought a lady a drink, it was appreciated. Now it's expected.
I never cared that much for Patpong, except for some of the institutions there. But I'd always take a visitor there just because if they couldn't say they'd seen Patpong, then the never-been-but-know-everything people back home would say, "You didn't see Patpong? Then you haven't seen the BKK red light district". Was certainly worth several afternoon visits in Nov-Dec 2022. FR's in the links in my post that you responded to.
SOL, Nov-early Dec 2022, was closed, another poster said "for renovations". Hopefully, an industrial steam cleaning. But certainly a memorable place. I'll suggest taking your friend there and buying him a beer and a BJ. You'll talk about it for decades (personal experience, thank you Sporadic).
The other option is Meet the World, same side, upstairs from SOL, much closer to Surawong. Buy him a beer, ring the bell, and treat him to a BJ swarm. Given 4 are a bit of overkill, 3 for him, remainder for you?
Both places institutions, and typical of BKK, if you can't find happiness in one, you can in the other. BKK, still plenty of fun to be had.I appreciate the recommendations. Meet the World isn't a place I'd know to try out but sounds like a great newbie experience. As for SOL the only way to get that place clean would be to burn it to the ground and rebuild it, no amount of scrubbing with chemicals would ever get it clean. There's a bunch of places in Pattaya that are similar. I don't consider myself an exhibitionist but there's a thrill to getting serviced in the bar.
I feel obliged to give my friend a good tour of BKK, so your suggestions are appreciated. Another experience I need to show him is a soapie. Does anyone know if the big soapie places in Huay Kwang are open, like Poseidon, Caesars, etc? TBH I haven't been to any of those in years, but it's a unique experience. I can't remember which one it was, but the bottom floor was a huge fishbowl, then the next floor up was more VIP where the girls sat around the walls of the room not in a fishbowl, and then the mamasan brought over a book with photos of the truly highest tier of girls who had done modeling or posed for Thai adult magazines and you could meet them in another area. That was probably over 10 years ago though as soapies aren't really my thing anymore, but I think it's a good add for a newbie's experience.
This is making me realize that over the last 10 years or so I've sort of got stuck in a rut doing the same things and going to the same places. It'll be fun to rediscover some places and experiences. I know the scene isn't fully recovered from the past couple of years though and some places will never come back.
I am often refused BF in gogos. Admittedly I'm usually asking one of the 3 or 4 hottest girls in the club. I've seen some super hot girls that never appeared to leave with anyone and only agree to have drinks with customers. And then I've seen other hotties that were happy to go with old Asian guys after saying no to me. Just curious are you of Asian ethnicity? Or do you let the girl pick you in the gogo? I realize that the vast majority of girls are available to be bar fined but in my experience not the hot ones. Especially with non-Asian guys.Welcome to Asia.
I remember being turned away almost everywhere I went in Seoul, and it was rough in Japan as well if your non-Asian.
In fact, I boycotted spending my mongering money in Seoul after being showed the exit after entering most of the establishments or being told there was a different fee structure for Farangs.
Same thing in the coffee place in Bangkok before the Pandemic.
Pretty easy to tell which ones would go with you as they wouldn't even look at you or give you a dirty look.
It was almost like "what the fuck are you doing here. " The money is not an issue with most, they could care less.
Racism pure and simple.
I remember pulling a girl off of Beach Road in Pattaya before the Pandemic.
She did not have lily white skin like most Thais. She was I guess Morena with a little bit of color, like a light tan.
Upon leaving the Hotel with her, the receptionists with lily white skin gave her back her ID, and said to her that she was a "beautiful black woman."
Never knew BKK would treat me to such wonderful options via seeking. Having used it extensively in the middle east, I went ahead (last week) and got in touch with a few girls via seeking. ST (3-4 hours) ranged from THB6000 all the way till THB20000 (which seemed a bit steep). Chose one of the girls at THB7500 and wow was she an absolute stunner? Everything was on the menu including A-level (extremely tight). 3/4 hours seemed like an absolute dream. Here for another week so meeting another girl (who works at an event management company) later tonight. Will report on it.Would you mind linking the accounts? I'm visiting Bangkok for the first time next month and I'm hoping to find something like this. I'd rather avoid "professionals" and find something more casual. I'm hoping to get some hits on tinder, but SA would be a decent second option, I just wish they could list what they want and what they're into.
Hey guys, updating on Soi Cowboy, realized I forgot to do this from other trip reports.
Overall impression: Quality of the girls here was better than Nana on average, but highly concentrated to just a couple gogos which were packed with girls, while other gogos were sorta empty of patrons and ladies. During my trip this was much better than Nana for looks, I felt Nana had gotten the upper hand in recent years, but this shifted back.
Best Club: Baccara, upstairs only. Baccara has two floors, downstairs is just covered bikini dancers and regular crowded gogo, upstairs is where the fun is. Girls upstairs were topless, and it was one of the few gogos still around anywhere with topless as the default. Without question this was the best spot on Cowboy. Not pushy on drinks, and plenty of girls to choose from so you don't have to worry about people hoarding ladies. Very noticeable, there were more enhanced boobs girls here than other spots, noticeably more, in a good way. This club was so much better, I kept coming back here after quick dips elsewhere, others weren't so bad, but they just weren't at all as good, so felt like this was the place to be. It was crowded so obviously was not alone in the thinking -- also, say plenty of people getting just totally shitfaced there.
It was surprising how good quality Baccara upstairs was compared to the rest of Soi Cowboy and Nana, no question the standout gogo. Also, tits.
Other Clubs: Stopped in a bunch of others, mostly not interesting. Shark was next best. Tilac, Suzie Wong, Midnight (a few others I stuck my head in all were lame or clothed with small amounts of girls. Hey clubs, we want to see tits!. Didn't bother with Afterskool / toy bar BJ spots -- again I ended up just back at Baccara upstairs because it was that much better.
Bars: Country Roads was fun, outside bars and tables are the best there. This was surprisingly a good bar, better than in the past. Prompt service too and decent prices 100 B for beers / shots. Penny Black (directly across from Country Roads) was lame as can be. They were blasting really bad EDM on a poor sound system, just was worthless. I don't know who that bar appeals to.
Food: The days I went the food situation wasn't great, there used to be some good stalls and stands there, I remember there being a pad see ew spot in the past (I think) but only a couple carts now, one was like overpriced hot dogs and the other was a noodle soup (that was not good) -- they could do with some more street food. I don't get it, this spot should be packed with good food for the hoards of drunk guys with money to burn.
ChillWinston88
01-07-23, 00:25
What a report man! Loved it! Specially the part about the Sidelines and the regular girls. Glad to hear that you were able to salvage things with that regular girl after that ladyboy wasted your time.
I tried contacting some girls from a sideline site here in Chiang Mai but no luck, no reply from them yet. Will try again in BKK.Haha, I was amazed it still came off with her. Even more incredible that it was a total freebie with a real cute firecracker. And I barely even had to put any work in to make it happen. Quite miraculous when I think of some of the time wasters that I have spent far to long trying to chat up.
Yeah I think the sideline avenue is well worth a blast in BKK, though from some recent reports early in Jan it seems that lots are not available. The agency I was using was called TSG sideline. Com if that is any help. Both girls I sampled with them were as good or better than the photos.
ChillWinston88
01-07-23, 00:30
Thanks for this amazing report! I hope it gets marked for the "Best Of".
What is TSG? Assuming it is sidelinethailand.com, I don't understand some of the acronyms, even with Google Translate. For example, what is "can remove cleavage", does that mean finish on tits? I couldn't find a glossary on this forum, but I am happy to compile one if people are interested and willing to contribute answers.
Only in Thailand, wow!
Thanks for the warning! As another caution, I met a deaf girl named Nan on TF who had a rash all around her chest and pelvic region, which made me think she might be a ladyboy.You are welcome.
TSG is the agency I used for both my sideline punts, if you type in TSG sideline. Com it should point you to the right sight. Both girls from there were as good or better than the photos and the rooms were a lot lot better than I expected for that price so a defo thumbs up from me for these guys.
I chatted to a couple of those deaf girls near Nana, one was pretty cute to be fair, her name was Aom or something like that. Her bubbly demeanor made me think she might be quite fun in the sack but I never got round to sampling. I was too busy with freebies on TF.
Cha Chumplin
01-07-23, 02:04
I appreciate the recommendations. Meet the World isn't a place I'd know to try out but sounds like a great newbie experience. As for SOL the only way to get that place clean would be to burn it to the ground and rebuild it, no amount of scrubbing with chemicals would ever get it clean. There's a bunch of places in Pattaya that are similar. I don't consider myself an exhibitionist but there's a thrill to getting serviced in the bar.
I feel obliged to give my friend a good tour of BKK, so your suggestions are appreciated. Another experience I need to show him is a soapie. Does anyone know if the big soapie places in Huay Kwang are open, like Poseidon, Caesars, etc? TBH I haven't been to any of those in years, but it's a unique experience. I can't remember which one it was, but the bottom floor was a huge fishbowl, then the next floor up was more VIP where the girls sat around the walls of the room not in a fishbowl, and then the mamasan brought over a book with photos of the truly highest tier of girls who had done modeling or posed for Thai adult magazines and you could meet them in another area. That was probably over 10 years ago though as soapies aren't really my thing anymore, but I think it's a good add for a newbie's experience.
This is making me realize that over the last 10 years or so I've sort of got stuck in a rut doing the same things and going to the same places. It'll be fun to rediscover some places and experiences. I know the scene isn't fully recovered from the past couple of years though and some places will never come back.Huay Kwang has been Nuked. Utter disaster. Just above Patpong quality.
Caesars long ago evolved into a nice mid level Hotel.
Cha Chumplin
01-07-23, 03:10
Free tittie's at Nana Plaza for cheap Charlie's.
Up stairs2 n floor walk a few feet there is a Rainbow. Curtains wide open some nice Boobs on display.
Did I partake. And o.
SunnyBoyPerth
01-07-23, 07:09
I lived in Japan many years and can vouch that the working girls would rather have cobwebs in their pussy rather than fuck an outsider (does not matter black, white, brown or yellow or whatever colour you are.). THE MOST racist country in the world disguised as a victim. Would never go back even to visit.
Welcome to Asia.
I remember being turned away almost everywhere I went in Seoul, and it was rough in Japan as well if your non-Asian.
In fact, I boycotted spending my mongering money in Seoul after being showed the exit after entering most of the establishments or being told there was a different fee structure for Farangs.
Same thing in the coffee place in Bangkok before the Pandemic.
Pretty easy to tell which ones would go with you as they wouldn't even look at you or give you a dirty look.
It was almost like "what the fuck are you doing here. " The money is not an issue with most, they could care less.
Racism pure and simple.
I remember pulling a girl off of Beach Road in Pattaya before the Pandemic.
She did not have lily white skin like most Thais. She was I guess Morena with a little bit of color, like a light tan.
Upon leaving the Hotel with her, the receptionists with lily white skin gave her back her ID, and said to her that she was a "beautiful black woman."
*31 Dec.
Mamasan booked me a cab and I kissed her on the cheek before leaving. The taxi tried to keep my change, but even my drunken self has enough math skills to get the 13 baht I was owed. Well, certainly a night to TRY and remember. Nice FR.
MINOR point, and I'm taking everything you say verbatim, but common practice is to round up to the closest 10 baht for taxi fares. I regularly take a taxi to the BTS, fare is around 42,43 baht. I give 50 and call it even. Last time, I didn't have a 50, so for a 43 baht fare, 3 20's and called it even even as the driver was fishing around in his tray for change. If nothing else Good Karma, and to ask for 13 baht back on New Year's Eve / Day; have a little pity on the taxi drivers. (I'm assuming it was 13 and not something like 130).
I appreciate the recommendations. Meet the World isn't a place I'd know to try out but sounds like a great newbie experience. As for SOL the only way to get that place clean would be to burn it to the ground and rebuild it, no amount of scrubbing with chemicals would ever get it clean. There's a bunch of places in Pattaya that are similar. I don't consider myself an exhibitionist but there's a thrill to getting serviced in the bar.
I feel obliged to give my friend a good tour of BKK, so your suggestions are appreciated. Another experience I need to show him is a soapie. Does anyone know if the big soapie places in Huay Kwang are open, like Poseidon, Caesars, etc? TBH I haven't been to any of those in years, but it's a unique experience. I can't remember which one it was, but the bottom floor was a huge fishbowl, then the next floor up was more VIP where the girls sat around the walls of the room not in a fishbowl, and then the mamasan brought over a book with photos of the truly highest tier of girls who had done modeling or posed for Thai adult magazines and you could meet them in another area. That was probably over 10 years ago though as soapies aren't really my thing anymore, but I think it's a good add for a newbie's experience.
This is making me realize that over the last 10 years or so I've sort of got stuck in a rut doing the same things and going to the same places. It'll be fun to rediscover some places and experiences. I know the scene isn't fully recovered from the past couple of years though and some places will never come back.Hey, but if they scorched SOL, the spirits might not come back ....
Haven't been to one of the fishbowl soapies in decades, but certainly did like Annies, RIP. Only 1 report from the resurrected Annies on Soi 7/1 but sounds like it might be worth a visit, though I'd like a report on the facilities. Been decades since the LARGE fishbowls, on Petchiburi? For a scrub, Don Quixote isn't bad; I was pleasantly surprised that it included one, though I SHOULD have guessed when I opted for the (bath) tub rather than shower option. Lineups are done via tablet. Google and check out the Japanese site for ladies gallery; very popular with Koreans. FR's available.
I'd also suggest a visit to Sakura Akasuri on Soi 55 (I too like that area to stay), for their salt-tapping massage. Other places have the same, but I've been going there since the one in Washington Square was bulldozed. 100 minutes, 1380 baht, option #8 on the menu. Extras possible, what depends on the girl. Search Bangkok MPs except Tulip and Annies" thread for number of FR's.
I know what you mean by being in a rut. Thanks to Newton York's FR's, actually hit a couple of new places (Don Quixote; Kokoro for nuru (not my thing, and both places seemed like "assembly line" shops, though VERY popular. Kokoro's website photos seemed accurate, at least for the girl I booked)). FR's available.
The Kaiser
01-07-23, 09:10
Another experience I need to show him is a soapie. Does anyone know if the big soapie places in Huay Kwang are open, like Poseidon, Caesars, etc?Poseidon is open. I just went last night.
ST (3-4 hours) ranged from THB6000 all the way till THB20000 (which seemed a bit steep). Chose one of the girls at THB7500 and wow was she an absolute stunner? It's hard for me to understand why someone would pay 7,500 Baht for something they can get for 2,000 Baht. Maybe even better. Do you also pay $50 for a regular burger?
The Kaiser
01-07-23, 09:17
Well, certainly a night to TRY and remember. Nice FR.
MINOR point, and I'm taking everything you say verbatim, but common practice is to round up to the closest 10 baht for taxi fares. I regularly take a taxi to the BTS, fare is around 42,43 baht. I give 50 and call it even. Last time, I didn't have a 50, so for a 43 baht fare, 3 20's and called it even even as the driver was fishing around in his tray for change. If nothing else Good Karma, and to ask for 13 baht back on New Year's Eve / Day; have a little pity on the taxi drivers. (I'm assuming it was 13 and not something like 130).The fare was 127 iirc. I think I only took 10 baht in the end, but my memory is very hazy. Normally, I wouldn't have minded, but my brain was primed from the club. That and the fact that Taxis are consistently upcharging me. This is a pet peeve of mine from back home too, so I'm probably reacting out of proportion. I decided to start using Grab instead.
The fare was 127 iirc. I think I only took 10 baht in the end, but my memory is very hazy. Normally, I wouldn't have minded, but my brain was primed from the club. That and the fact that Taxis are consistently upcharging me. This is a pet peeve of mine from back home too, so I'm probably reacting out of proportion. I decided to start using Grab instead.One of the major improvements of visiting BKK was when the govt eliminated NON-metered taxis. How can taxis be upcharging you? Refusing to use the meter? Granted, I'm not out in off hours. I jump in, say where I want to go (normally a BTS station), and the meter should start at 35 (that's a day rate). If there's any doubt, I just point to the meter and say "Meter". If there's any problem, I find another (daytime, main road). Now, granted, I don't use a taxi from / to the airport. And, being OLD, I'm not taking taxis late at night. I do know that if an expressway is taken, I pay the tolls; that's fine (ah, the memories of Don Mueang). My last visit, I did take a taxi cross town, having to visit Thai Airways HQ to pay for a ticket. It was about 300, metered. But, returning, took a taxi to the closest MRT station (Lat Phrao), then MRT back to Asoke. Easy and cheap. What was nice, walking out of the Thai airways office, the doorman asked if I needed a taxi, I said yes, and he had another security guard flag one on the street.
Of course, if you're coming out of a club LATE, on a HOLIDAY, I would think that surcharges just might apply. And at least once, you should take a motorcycle taxi, E-ticket ride. This trip, I had to once during rush hour, no taxis. Keep the knees tucked in, and pray (even if you're not religious). I don't mind the lane splitting, but when they drive in the opposite traffic lane, using gaps THERE, swerving back into correct lane last minute, for me, PUCKER factor. And try to find out the fare beforehand. I didn't, and the next day, talking to an MP girl, I paid double (the horror, the horror, the fare should have been 25, I paid 50. We both, girl and myself, had a laugh about it). Moral: keep things in perspective, less than 1 USD. I was just happy to have survived, and I didn't even mind being let off 2 blocks early due to my lack of Thai.
Just curious.
Racism pure and simple.
I remember pulling a girl off of Beach Road in Pattaya before the Pandemic.
She did not have lily white skin like most Thais. She was I guess Morena with a little bit of color, like a light tan.
Upon leaving the Hotel with her, the receptionists with lily white skin gave her back her ID, and said to her that she was a "beautiful black woman."You're sure there was no misunderstanding in the process?
I don't contest the white skin versus black skin issue, but Thais tend to be polite and respectful with others, especially with another Thai person.
Plus being a receptionist, she is supposed to be respectful with everybody, and as a receptionist (even with white skin), she doesn't have a higher status than any average person in Pattaya, which makes that comment a bit weird, plus saying "you're a beautiful black woman" in Thai doesn't really sound like something one would naturally say.
MamaGuevos
01-07-23, 14:23
Never knew BKK would treat me to such wonderful options via seeking. Having used it extensively in the middle east, I went ahead (last week) and got in touch with a few girls via seeking. ST (3-4 hours) ranged from THB6000 all the way till THB20000 (which seemed a bit steep). Chose one of the girls at THB7500 and wow was she an absolute stunner? Everything was on the menu including A-level (extremely tight). 3/4 hours seemed like an absolute dream. Here for another week so meeting another girl (who works at an event management company) later tonight. Will report on it.I was permanently expelled from tinder by mentioning certain sex acts (like BBBJ) and negotiating over money. Will Seeking kick you off if you offer say 5000 baht for a anal or BBFS?
You're sure there was no misunderstanding in the process?
I don't contest the white skin versus black skin issue, but Thais tend to be polite and respectful with others, especially with another Thai person.
Plus being a receptionist, she is supposed to be respectful with everybody, and as a receptionist (even with white skin), she doesn't have a higher status than any average person in Pattaya, which makes that comment a bit weird, plus saying "you're a beautiful black woman" in Thai doesn't really sound like something one would naturally say.The girl I was with did not take the remark made to her as a compliment, but as a racial insult. It's sad but racism transcends beyond nationality to the color of one's skin. And I agree with you it sounded weird what was said, but it was said. Maybe the receptionist was jealous that this women was making a few days pay for a few hours, who knows but it was strange for sure and given my experiences in other Asian Countries not surprising.
The Kaiser
01-07-23, 19:12
One of the major improvements of visiting BKK was when the govt eliminated NON-metered taxis. How can taxis be upcharging you? Refusing to use the meter?
Of course, if you're coming out of a club LATE, on a HOLIDAY, I would think that surcharges just might apply. And at least once, you should take a motorcycle taxi, E-ticket ride. This trip, I had to once during rush hour, no taxis. Keep the knees tucked in, and pray (even if you're not religious). I don't mind the lane splitting, but when they drive in the opposite traffic lane, using gaps THERE, swerving back into correct lane last minute, for me, PUCKER factor. And try to find out the fare beforehand. I didn't, and the next day, talking to an MP girl, I paid double (the horror, the horror, the fare should have been 25, I paid 50. We both, girl and myself, had a laugh about it). Moral: keep things in perspective, less than 1 USD. I was just happy to have survived, and I didn't even mind being let off 2 blocks early due to my lack of Thai.
Just curious.Yeah, mostly refusing to use the meter. It was only after a few metered rides that I figured I was overpaying. One driver took a longer route. Most of these are from near hotel and maybe it's because it isn't on a main road. None have been that late. The upcharging is not nearly as bad as the pre Uber taxis in my country, but it adds up. I think I would have gotten a pretty decent meal in exchange for the extra I paid. I have never been fond of haggling, and I didn't know how prevalent this practice is, so I had no idea how much time I would have had to spend. I've used grab once so far and it looks like the way I'll be traveling from now onwards.
I am never doing a motorcycle taxi. I've never liked sitting pillion and have done it more than enough already. Actually riding a motorcycle in my country is a lot scarier when you have other motorcycles and approaching in the opposite lane. That's how I got into half of the motorcycle accidents I suffered. I do understand that heart in your mouth feeling though. I once tried to overtake a tractor on a 2 lane road with a bus coming in the other direction. I misjudged the distance and I was certain I'd be meeting my maker in the next couple minutes. Fortunately the bus swerved and the girl who was sitting behind me was none the wiser.
Oh no!!
A white male experiencing racism! Ow dare anyone not bow down tot he white male.
Queue lots of white bros complaining how disgusting it is.
Get over it. You white guys encounter racism once in your life and you need medical treatment.
Welcome to Asia.
I remember being turned away almost everywhere I went in Seoul, and it was rough in Japan as well if your non-Asian.
In fact, I boycotted spending my mongering money in Seoul after being showed the exit after entering most of the establishments or being told there was a different fee structure for Farangs.
Same thing in the coffee place in Bangkok before the Pandemic.
Pretty easy to tell which ones would go with you as they wouldn't even look at you or give you a dirty look.
It was almost like "what the fuck are you doing here. " The money is not an issue with most, they could care less.
Racism pure and simple.
I remember pulling a girl off of Beach Road in Pattaya before the Pandemic.
She did not have lily white skin like most Thais. She was I guess Morena with a little bit of color, like a light tan.
Upon leaving the Hotel with her, the receptionists with lily white skin gave her back her ID, and said to her that she was a "beautiful black woman."
Cha Chumplin
01-08-23, 01:44
It's hard for me to understand why someone would pay 7,500 Baht for something they can get for 2,000 Baht. Maybe even better. Do you also pay $50 for a regular burger?Absolute Stunners are not Cheap.
Cha Chumplin
01-08-23, 01:46
You're sure there was no misunderstanding in the process?
I don't contest the white skin versus black skin issue, but Thais tend to be polite and respectful with others, especially with another Thai person.
Plus being a receptionist, she is supposed to be respectful with everybody, and as a receptionist (even with white skin), she doesn't have a higher status than any average person in Pattaya, which makes that comment a bit weird, plus saying "you're a beautiful black woman" in Thai doesn't really sound like something one would naturally say.A receptionist white skin does have higher status than a black Pattaya Bargirl.
Oh no!!
A white male experiencing racism! Ow dare anyone not bow down tot he white male.
Queue lots of white bros complaining how disgusting it is.
Get over it. You white guys encounter racism once in your life and you need medical treatment.LOL. Anyone who has travelled enough in southeast asia knows that white men are treated superior to brown / black men, especially by females. I think the average Asian girl's dream is to marry a white man. This is the case in the states as well, all my Asian female co-workers are married to white men. I have asked all of them why they didn't marry someone of their own ethnicity, they were repulsed by the mere idea LOL.
Oh no!!
A white male experiencing racism! Ow dare anyone not bow down tot he white male.Queue lots of white bros complaining how disgusting it is.Get over it. You white guys encounter racism once in your life and you need medical treatment.From your post it appears that you think white guys should "get over" the occassional act of racism. To me if you want to stop racism ANY act of this nature should not be condoned.
Its the act, not who its directed to, that is the important thing here, don't you think?
NI.
Irish Mongrel
01-08-23, 05:08
Oh no!!
A white male experiencing racism! Ow dare anyone not bow down tot he white male.
Queue lots of white bros complaining how disgusting it is.
Get over it. You white guys encounter racism once in your life and you need medical treatment.Ah it's OK for white people to suffer from racism and it's bad for everybody else. Maybe it's better if everybody does what I have done for the past 30 years living in and around Asia and the Middle East and suck it up and get on with it. But then again, it's not right in any form.
Always interesting to see the thought process that it is now OK to be racist against Caucasians , but then again I wonder what the Egyptian or Mongol Empires where like in their days. Oh they just enslaved everybody, that's fine.
Upon leaving the Hotel with her, the receptionists with lily white skin gave her back her ID, and said to her that she was a "beautiful black woman."The word "black" is used by Thais to describe dark Thai skin. Skin that you may find in Isaan.
The Kaiser
01-08-23, 08:07
So I've finally begun to understand most of the butchered Google translations, but "Peal Inlay" and "Pearl Injection" or anything to do with pearls eludes me. Anyone with a better handle on Thai care to help me out?
LOL. Anyone who has travelled enough in southeast asia knows that white men are treated superior to brown / black men, especially by females. I think the average Asian girl's dream is to marry a white man. This is the case in the states as well, all my Asian female co-workers are married to white men. I have asked all of them why they didn't marry someone of their own ethnicity, they were repulsed by the mere idea LOL.Depends on the person whether white or not. Don't think you can generalize besides things are constantly evolving. I would think that Asian guys could get equal or better preference nowadays. I'm not white and over the decades have frequently rejected many an Asian co-worker and countless scores of them when mongering haha.
Hey guys, updating on Soi Cowboy, realized I forgot to do this from other trip reports.
Overall impression: Quality of the girls here was better than Nana on average, but highly concentrated to just a couple gogos which were packed with girls, while other gogos were sorta empty of patrons and ladies. During my trip this was much better than Nana for looks, I felt Nana had gotten the upper hand in recent years, but this shifted back.
Best Club: Baccara, upstairs only. Baccara has two floors, downstairs is just covered bikini dancers and regular crowded gogo, upstairs is where the fun is. Girls upstairs were topless, and it was one of the few gogos still around anywhere with topless as the default. Without question this was the best spot on Cowboy. Not pushy on drinks, and plenty of girls to choose from so you don't have to worry about people hoarding ladies. Very noticeable, there were more enhanced boobs girls here than other spots, noticeably more, in a good way. This club was so much better, I kept coming back here after quick dips elsewhere, others weren't so bad, but they just weren't at all as good, so felt like this was the place to be. It was crowded so obviously was not alone in the thinking -- also, say plenty of people getting just totally shitfaced there.
It was surprising how good quality Baccara upstairs was compared to the rest of Soi Cowboy and Nana, no question the standout gogo. Also, tits.
Other Clubs: Stopped in a bunch of others, mostly not interesting. Shark was next best. Tilac, Suzie Wong, Midnight (a few others I stuck my head in all were lame or clothed with small amounts of girls. Hey clubs, we want to see tits!. Didn't bother with Afterskool / toy bar BJ spots -- again I ended up just back at Baccara upstairs because it was that much better.
Bars: Country Roads was fun, outside bars and tables are the best there. This was surprisingly a good bar, better than in the past. Prompt service too and decent prices 100 B for beers / shots. Penny Black (directly across from Country Roads) was lame as can be. They were blasting really bad EDM on a poor sound system, just was worthless. I don't know who that bar appeals to.I second this opinion, was in BKK for a week over the New Year's. Did go Soi to Cowboy after NYear. Went straight to Baccara 2nd floor found a mid 20's Bangkok girl to my liking bought her a couple of drinks and barfined her 700. LT 6 k took her out clubbing and then back to the hotel. She was hot and fun luckily.
Earlier on the trip found a Slavic chic in Mixx kept her for 3 days. Then for variety went to Thermae picked a white farang looking Thai, early 20's. Standing next to the cashier table 2. 5 K ST lucked out again with long sessions and CIM. Came back after midnight picked another older Thai took her dinner clubbing LT 5 K.
All in all a satisfied repeat "tourist" yet again.
ThaiGoodTimes
01-08-23, 12:42
So I've finally begun to understand most of the butchered Google translations, but "Peal Inlay" and "Pearl Injection" or anything to do with pearls eludes me. Anyone with a better handle on Thai care to help me out?I interpreted it as CIM.
One driver took a longer route. Most of these are from near hotel and maybe it's because it isn't on a main road.Not saying this is the case, but drivers will take a longer route due to traffic. Physically longer but perhaps shorter timewise. Perhaps.
Don't know where you're staying, but if you're down some soi, late at night, the driver has to consider deadheading back to the main road for a new passenger. Not supposed to effect anything, but ... Honestly, you're probably getting ripped a bit, and I certainly don't like it, but I try and put it into perspective, like the moto taxi.
Upon leaving the Hotel with her, the receptionists with lily white skin gave her back her ID, and said to her that she was a "beautiful black woman."And that's the time I'd smile and say, "I'd like to speak to the manager please, NOW". MY feeling, disrespecting my friend disrespects me, and I don't pay money to be disrespected.
The Kaiser
01-08-23, 13:09
Not saying this is the case, but drivers will take a longer route due to traffic. Physically longer but perhaps shorter timewise. Perhaps.
Don't know where you're staying, but if you're down some soi, late at night, the driver has to consider deadheading back to the main road for a new passenger. Not supposed to effect anything, but ... Honestly, you're probably getting ripped a bit, and I certainly don't like it, but I try and put it into perspective, like the moto taxi.The longer route and "no return" are common excuses in my country. Night time is also common even at 8 AM. So I know I'm getting ripped off a bit, because I've been getting ripped off since I was 15. Thais are definitely not ripping me off as much as my own countrymen do though.
I second this opinion, was in BKK for a week over the New Year's. Did go Soi to Cowboy after NYear. Went straight to Baccara 2nd floor found a mid 20's Bangkok girl to my liking bought her a couple of drinks and barfined her 700. LT 6 k took her out clubbing and then back to the hotel. She was hot and fun luckily.
Earlier on the trip found a Slavic chic in Mixx kept her for 3 days. Then for variety went to Thermae picked a white farang looking Thai, early 20's. Standing next to the cashier table 2. 5 K ST lucked out again with long sessions and CIM. Came back after midnight picked another older Thai took her dinner clubbing LT 5 K.
All in all a satisfied repeat "tourist" yet again."Russians" back in Mixx? My stomping grounds. Any other reports? I'm on the ground next week.
So I've finally begun to understand most of the butchered Google translations, but "Peal Inlay" and "Pearl Injection" or anything to do with pearls eludes me. Anyone with a better handle on Thai care to help me out?In Asia some men have pearls inserted under the skin of their penis.
Not saying this is the case, but drivers will take a longer route due to traffic. Physically longer but perhaps shorter timewise. Perhaps.
Don't know where you're staying, but if you're down some soi, late at night, the driver has to consider deadheading back to the main road for a new passenger. Not supposed to effect anything, but ... Honestly, you're probably getting ripped a bit, and I certainly don't like it, but I try and put it into perspective, like the moto taxi.
And that's the time I'd smile and say, "I'd like to speak to the manager please, NOW". MY feeling, disrespecting my friend disrespects me, and I don't pay money to be disrespected.Let me help you guys with Taxi drivers, because farangs who live in BKK for longer periods of time rarely have problems.
When I first got to BKK, waaay pre BTS, it was taxi wild West. Like so many before me, I carried a paper map.
Yes Virginia, paper. And I studied it. And I tried to stay somewhere near a landmark, so you could just say Hua Lamphong, Nana, Wongwang Yai etc. Now you merely say XXXBTS or YYYMRT since absent a car or a bike, 90% of you will stay within a klick or two of a station.
Thai taxi drivers are paid like crap. So, as others have said, you round up. As I hate carrying change, I'm a keep the change type guy. Its a dollar.
For those of you who don't know the road system, may I suggest Google maps? So you will understand where and why your driver is going and hey, you can even help him if you see the red google lines.
For those of you who walk out of say Mixx at 2 am and start freaking out because the taxi mafia is trying to hump you for 300 B for a 50 B trip. Walk around the block. Or pull out a 100 and wave it in front of him. Do it with a smile. Impress your babe.
Cha Chumplin
01-08-23, 17:09
Most Hotel. Bank Managers are White Skin. He / she probably agrees with Receptionist.
Come on people not all is Rosy or Peaches and Cream in Thailand. It's really a country that will never advance beyond 3rd world status.
Depends on the person whether white or not. Don't think you can generalize besides things are constantly evolving. I would think that Asian guys could get equal or better preference nowadays. I'm not white and over the decades have frequently rejected many an Asian co-worker and countless scores of them when mongering haha.In agreement with CaliGuy. I've witnessed the same phenomena.
LOL. Anyone who has travelled enough in southeast asia knows that white men are treated superior to brown / black men, especially by females. I think the average Asian girl's dream is to marry a white man. This is the case in the states as well, all my Asian female co-workers are married to white men. I have asked all of them why they didn't marry someone of their own ethnicity, they were repulsed by the mere idea LOL.Ignorant comments are becoming the norm now on this site. If what you say boost your self esteem. Have at it. Just like you, I travel enough to know B.S when I hear it.
Ignorant comments are becoming the norm now on this site. If what you say boost your self esteem. Have at it. Just like you, I travel enough to know B.S when I hear it.It's not an ignorant comment and doesn't affect my self esteem as I don't date and don't plan to marry. It's based on my personal observations and data. You can lookup dating website statistics and you'll find that the majority of Asian women are interested in only white men. Plenty of videos on Youtube cover dating statistics if you would like to educate yourself. The facts are in the stats, not your feelings.
SinfullyKorean
01-08-23, 23:37
Not saying this is the case, but drivers will take a longer route due to traffic. Physically longer but perhaps shorter timewise. Perhaps.
Don't know where you're staying, but if you're down some soi, late at night, the driver has to consider deadheading back to the main road for a new passenger. Not supposed to effect anything, but ... Honestly, you're probably getting ripped a bit, and I certainly don't like it, but I try and put it into perspective, like the moto taxi.
And that's the time I'd smile and say, "I'd like to speak to the manager please, NOW". MY feeling, disrespecting my friend disrespects me, and I don't pay money to be disrespected.LOL. Is it disrespectful to mistake someone for a "beautiful black woman"? Who's the racist now?
I don't mean to offend you. But I do find it funny that someone would be offended by that compliment.
And that's the time I'd smile and say, "I'd like to speak to the manager please, NOW". MY feeling, disrespecting my friend disrespects me, and I don't pay money to be disrespected.Sometimes you have to choose your battles. I was staying at the Evergreen in the newer wing and honestly felt as though I was being disrespected whenever I brought a girl upstairs to the room. And besides taking the girls ID which is fine I was also given like a voucher to give them upon the girl departing. It was kind of like a look of disdain when this 60 year plus monger was bringing in these young tarts to bang. No need for any drama when your bringing in a girl one time, just a waste of energy. And the manager by the way was a total ball buster, an older women maybe around 50 and not very friendly, so another reason not to engage. My only regret was that the "beautiful black woman", basically a Morena if you were in a Latin Country disappeared after our romp. I picked her up on Beach Road and never saw her again as for some reason her phone number didn't work and I looked for her each day I was there.
Defintely theres a decent amount of lower income to middle class girls who dream of white guys. The only thing ID say is that's not every girl in asia. For many middle class and high society women culture and language are as important or more important than the colour of your skin and the size of your wallet. Marrying a white farang isn't everything and they know it. And this goes from east Asia and south east Asia and south asia.
It's not an ignorant comment and doesn't affect my self esteem as I don't date and don't plan to marry. It's based on my personal observations and data. You can lookup dating website statistics and you'll find that the majority of Asian women are interested in only white men. Plenty of videos on Youtube cover dating statistics if you would like to educate yourself. The facts are in the stats, not your feelings.
I always find it funny when men try to tell girls what they should be attracted too. If Asian girls mostly are attracted to white guys over Asian or black guys they have every right. All we do on this board is rate girls all over the world. She is this or that and nobody bats an eye. As soon as girls do it, guys that aren't white get offended. It's laughable. Most white guys aren't attracted to black women. They are mostly obese and masculine. White women are 10 x more attractive than black women. Latinas are more attractive to me than white women. Am I racist against white women as a white guy. I'm attracted to what I'm attracted too. Asian women are the same way. Asian guys are generally short and most white guys are taller than them. Women like tall guys. We have better personalities than Asian guys who have the worst personalities overall than any race.
LOL. Is it disrespectful to mistake someone for a "beautiful black woman"? Who's the racist now?
I don't mean to offend you. But I do find it funny that someone would be offended by that compliment.Like Albert said, "It's all relative". I understand the place and the context, and anywhere in Asia, it's an insult.
And why include the adjective "black"? I just say, Now there is a beautiful woman. I might add "with a nice (rack, ass, legs, face), but color? Where does that enter into things? When I'm checking out women, I don't ask "how white is she" like a lot of Asians do.
ElMexicant
01-09-23, 06:49
It's not an ignorant comment and doesn't affect my self esteem as I don't date and don't plan to marry. It's based on my personal observations and data. You can lookup dating website statistics and you'll find that the majority of Asian women are interested in only white men. Plenty of videos on Youtube cover dating statistics if you would like to educate yourself. The facts are in the stats, not your feelings.This guy uses dating website data, where people lie about their age and pics, catfish one another, bait and switch, and then applies to real life dating and marriage. Plus uses the same dating website data to apply his assumptions to the entire world. You mean to tell me in China, the majority of Chinese women on want to date White men? Has to be the funniest shit I've read today.
I second this opinion, was in BKK for a week over the New Year's. Did go Soi to Cowboy after NYear. Went straight to Baccara 2nd floor found a mid 20's Bangkok girl to my liking bought her a couple of drinks and barfined her 700. LT 6 k took her out clubbing and then back to the hotel. She was hot and fun luckily.
Earlier on the trip found a Slavic chic in Mixx kept her for 3 days. Then for variety went to Thermae picked a white farang looking Thai, early 20's. Standing next to the cashier table 2. 5 K ST lucked out again with long sessions and CIM. Came back after midnight picked another older Thai took her dinner clubbing LT 5 K.
All in all a satisfied repeat "tourist" yet again.Interesting article on Baccara, Soi Cowboy, history, current state, and their new social media presence (facebook, instagram, twitter), 3 places where I am not, and with some staff photos. Plus, one bar's salaries / incentives for dancers (700 per night + 100 per lady drink + monthly bonuses); easy to see what the bar / bg business model is nowadays. Plus some insights on Pattaya (Pin Up - 1400 bar fine PLUS 5 lady drinks required ...) Different world. Stick, 8 Jan 2023.
The Kaiser
01-09-23, 11:54
In Asia some men have pearls inserted under the skin of their penis.I thought the pearls were similar to a "pearl necklace", this is definitely not what I expected.
ElMexicant
01-09-23, 12:15
I always find it funny when men try to tell girls what they should be attracted too. If Asian girls mostly are attracted to white guys over Asian or black guys they have every right. All we do on this board is rate girls all over the world. She is this or that and nobody bats an eye. As soon as girls do it, guys that aren't white get offended. It's laughable. Most white guys aren't attracted to black women. They are mostly obese and masculine. White women are 10 x more attractive than black women. Latinas are more attractive to me than white women. Am I racist against white women as a white guy. I'm attracted to what I'm attracted too. Asian women are the same way. Asian guys are generally short and most white guys are taller than them. Women like tall guys. We have better personalities than Asian guys who have the worst personalities overall than any race.That explains why a Japanese can travel to Columbia and Brazil and have no problems picking up women. But a Brazilian or Colombian guy in Japan gets the cold shoulder. I am almost quite certain most women are drawn to money, stability, and success. But I could be wrong.
Like Albert said, "It's all relative". I understand the place and the context, and anywhere in Asia, it's an insult.
And why include the adjective "black"? I just say, Now there is a beautiful woman. I might add "with a nice (rack, ass, legs, face), but color? Where does that enter into things? When I'm checking out women, I don't ask "how white is she" like a lot of Asians do.In many (maybe even most) cultures where most of the population have brown or yellow skin, there is a lot of "status" associated with having a "lighter" skin tone. {I have purposely left folks of African descent out of this discussion because I know nothing about how they view skin color in this type of environment} Many Asian women and many Latinas go nowhere near the sun if possible. When they are outside, they carry an umbrella or wear a large hat to protect themselves from getting a suntan. They never (or rarely ever) sunbathe. Contrast this with the majority of Caucasians who seem to value a suntan.
This guy uses dating website data, where people lie about their age and pics, catfish one another, bait and switch, and then applies to real life dating and marriage. Plus uses the same dating website data to apply his assumptions to the entire world. You mean to tell me in China, the majority of Chinese women on want to date White men? Has to be the funniest shit I've read today.Obviously there's context to everything in terms of where the women live and if certain races are available for dating there. You can look the data up for yourself. Full disclaimer, I'm not Caucasian, so I could care less, I have no dog in the fight. The proof is in the data, not what I or anyone else thinks. I'm a monger, I could care less what race an Asian girl prefers, as a monger my wallet does the talking not the color of my skin.
ElMexicant
01-09-23, 18:08
Obviously there's context to everything in terms of where the women live and if certain races are available for dating there. You can look the data up for yourself. Full disclaimer, I'm not Caucasian, so I could care less, I have no dog in the fight. The proof is in the data, not what I or anyone else thinks. I'm a monger, I could care less what race an Asian girl prefers, as a monger my wallet does the talking not the color of my skin.Dude,
On dating websites it's called "baiting." There is a reason they target Western men. Thought you wound know by now. In Thailand, travel outside the tourists areas and see how receptive the Asians are to white Westerners.
ElMexicant
01-09-23, 18:35
Obviously there's context to everything in terms of where the women live and if certain races are available for dating there. You can look the data up for yourself. Full disclaimer, I'm not Caucasian, so I could care less, I have no dog in the fight. The proof is in the data, not what I or anyone else thinks. I'm a monger, I could care less what race an Asian girl prefers, as a monger my wallet does the talking not the color of my skin.I will put this in a way that it makes sense. ThaiFriendly, most of the girls on there put up to age 50 or higher for their match. So you are telling me because of that statistic, a 50 year old guy non Thai in Thailand must be much more desired, than guy closer to the girl's age in all of Thailand because ThaiFriendly says so. Or how about Russian and Ukrainian dating sites wanting to meet older American men for marriage. So of course, all of Russia and Russian girls must desire older American men rather than their own? Apparently someone has never taken a course in research and data. Always know the sources of your stats and use common sense.
I will put this in a way that it makes sense. ThaiFriendly, most of the girls on there put up to age 50 or higher for their match. So you are telling me because of that statistic, a 50 year old guy non Thai in Thailand must be much more desired, than guy closer to the girl's age in all of Thailand because ThaiFriendly says so. Or how about Russian and Ukrainian dating sites wanting to meet older American men for marriage. So of course, all of Russia and Russian girls must desire older American men rather than their own? Apparently someone has never taken a course in research and data. Always know the sources of your stats and use common sense.Dudes instead of arguing this point for the umpteenth time since the invention of the net by Al Gore, with everyone saying the exact same thing, ad nauseum, any OTG reports from the clubs?
I was permanently expelled from tinder by mentioning certain sex acts (like BBBJ) and negotiating over money. Will Seeking kick you off if you offer say 5000 baht for a anal or BBFS?Sorry, which website is the "Seeking" mentioned in this chain?
Cha Chumplin
01-10-23, 01:36
Dudes instead of arguing this point for the umpteenth time since the invention of the net by Al Gore, with everyone saying the exact same thing, ad nauseum, any OTG reports from the clubs?The situation is Dire. I'm thought high season was Nov to March.
I'm hearing this high season was just 3 weeks in December.
No wonder Thais projected 19,000,000 tourists for 2023 down from 40,000,000 plus in 2020. This was before all the upcoming cancelations this past week. Going to a tough long road for moms and pops businesses in Thailand.
Lucky Nuts
01-10-23, 06:16
Sorry, which website is the "Seeking" mentioned in this chain?Google it.
Could someone recommend a great lunch buffet in Sukhumvit? On my way to BKK in a few days.
Has anyone, ANYONE been to Nana Plaza lately? How about a report on what's happening out there.
Cha Chumplin
01-10-23, 06:51
Google it.
Could someone recommend a great lunch buffet in Sukhumvit? On my way to BKK in a few days.
Has anyone, ANYONE been to Nana Plaza lately? How about a report on what's happening out there.You know the middle section where just drinking is going on. It like the Gold Rush of Cincinnati, everyone happy. Boozers, bar, landlord.
Can't say the same for establishment s with Girls. It's Ok. The third tier and below have to be on life support.
Everyone's favorite AngelsWutches never ever seen to be busy.
The Kaiser
01-10-23, 07:29
Google it.
Could someone recommend a great lunch buffet in Sukhumvit? On my way to BKK in a few days.
Has anyone, ANYONE been to Nana Plaza lately? How about a report on what's happening out there.Idk about a buffet, but the best food I've had so far is Luk Thiang in Emquartier (Helix. Top floor). The crispy noodles with beef is my favorite. The cock button was amusing too.
Google it.
Could someone recommend a great lunch buffet in Sukhumvit?
Google it.
Bill Buxton
01-10-23, 13:30
Are the taxi drivers any good or limited in English? I do have google translate on my phone I hope this will help with getting where I need to go.
Idk about a buffet, but the best food I've had so far is Luk Thiang in Emquartier (Helix. Top floor). The crispy noodles with beef is my favorite. The cock button was amusing too.If you like to eat around Emquartier there's a good small Japanese restaurant named "Nagoya Champon" down the PhromPong BTS, on the right hand side if you walk towards soi 24/1.
They've got a very good soup with noodles, vegetables and sea food that I never found anywhere else.
And for the buffet near Sukhumvit, there's "Best Beef" near OnNut BTS but it's crowded.
Was considering traveling to Bangkok and noticed that the air travel time will be almost 30 hours. Is it worth it? I know that Colombia is only 7 hrs away from me, but I have heard good things about Bangkok in general. How far do you guys usually travel when visiting Bangkok?
Google it.
Could someone recommend a great lunch buffet in Sukhumvit? On my way to BKK in a few days.
Has anyone, ANYONE been to Nana Plaza lately? How about a report on what's happening out there.Euro Buffets? Eatigo app. Maybe Thai and Japanese too, I can't look it will make me nuts.
My restaurant selection is easy: recent reviews from Thai folk, ignore the pricing complaining star reductions.
Are the taxi drivers any good or limited in English? I do have google translate on my phone I hope this will help with getting where I need to go.The drivers make it pretty easy to get around but make sure they use their meters. Nearly all of the drivers understand enough English to get to to where a falang wants to go ie Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Grand Palace, Siam Square, Airports, and the shopping malls. Those are not a problem. For other places you might want to show them the location on your phone. If going somewhere off the falang beaten path have your hotel write the destination on one of their business cards in Thai for the driver.
If it is your first trip definitely stay near Sukhumvit between Soi Nana and Soi 33. Stay near a BTS station and learn to use the BTS. It's easy. Lastly never take a taxi that is parked in front of the hotel. Those guys are ripoffs. Just flag down a moving taxi even if it right in front of the taxis parked at the hotel. I've never used Grab in BKK but reports here are very positive.
SoberHans69
01-10-23, 19:44
Was considering traveling to Bangkok and noticed that the air travel time will be almost 30 hours. Is it worth it? I know that Colombia is only 7 hrs away from me, but I have heard good things about Bangkok in general. How far do you guys usually travel when visiting Bangkok?Would depend on many things such as your budget, do you prefer Latina or Asian women, do you speak Spanish etc.
Was considering traveling to Bangkok and noticed that the air travel time will be almost 30 hours. Is it worth it? I know that Colombia is only 7 hrs away from me, but I have heard good things about Bangkok in general. How far do you guys usually travel when visiting Bangkok?Was about 25 hours with a short layover, having a great time now. Worth it IMO but never been to Colombia for comparison.
Banana Boi
01-10-23, 20:47
Could someone recommend a great lunch buffet in Sukhumvit? Not sure if they're still open after COVID but there's always Shabushi and Oishi in Bangkok. Otherwise there are the usual hotel buffets but they're rather dull.
An alternative to a buffet in Bangkok is to go to Pier 21 in Terminal 21, choose 4 restaurants and order 5 items off each menu. 20 items x 40-60 baht = 800-1200 baht. That's way more food than 2 people can finish and only 400-600 baht per person. You'll also be the envy of all the cute Thai girls eating there. Invite a few to your table they'll likely join you.
Where are the American football fans and / or screens these days, no need for girls, so I can grab the playoffs when I get in. Monday 1 am.
Although most likely Ill be on my face in a pillow after 25 air hours.
Where are the American football fans and / or screens these days, no need for girls, so I can grab the playoffs when I get in. Monday 1 am.
Although most likely Ill be on my face in a pillow after 25 air hours.Plenty of bars in the Nana / Asok area. I'd stay in my room and try and stream the games if I were you.
Was considering traveling to Bangkok and noticed that the air travel time will be almost 30 hours. Is it worth it? I know that Colombia is only 7 hrs away from me, but I have heard good things about Bangkok in general. How far do you guys usually travel when visiting Bangkok?It's about 30-35 hours for me and three flights, yet well worth it imo. But I stay for a month or two at a time. If you're only travelling for a week or two, perhaps not worth it.
Steve 9696
01-11-23, 01:55
It's about 30-35 hours for me and three flights, yet well worth it imo. But I stay for a month or two at a time. If you're only travelling for a week or two, perhaps not worth it.Key to this is don't do it as one continuous journey. If headed East bound stay overnight in London or Frankfurt. This has many benefits:
Considerably less exhausting.
Check out the scene both London and Frankfurt have awesome girl options.
It's LESS expensive. Book separate round trip to London from home and separate RT from London to Bangkok. Guaranteed to be less expensive than the complete round trip. Even with hotels. Seriously. I do it all the time.
Lucky Nuts
01-11-23, 03:52
Thanks for the food recs guys and the eatigo app too. I'll definitely give that a try. There's a renowned Thai restaurant in Las Vegas, Lotus of Siam, and when I lived there a few years ago they offered an amazing lunch buffet. I was spoiled eating there weekly and unfortunately that buffet ended after a couple years. Maybe the hotel buffets are the closest to that so I'll look around.
I've been messaging lots of the Thai Friendly girls to learn which ones are "freelancers". It's been a lower percentage than I expected but I still have a good long list of potentials. I'd prefer to video chat with them before setting up the meeting. Does Line allow that or what is the most used (by Thais) app for video chat?
Hey Steve that's exactly what I'm doing. Flying to Portugal tomorrow and then on to BKK next week. That 13 hour time change is a killer so I'm breaking it in half.
HorseTrader
01-11-23, 05:08
I've been messaging lots of the Thai Friendly girls to learn which ones are "freelancers". It's been a lower percentage than I expected but I still have a good long list of potentials. I'd prefer to video chat with them before setting up the meeting. Does Line allow that or what is the most used (by Thais) app for video chat?A number of posters have said a huge percentage of TF girls are freelancers, I agree with you that many are not freelancers. I would say most are not, but it depends on your location and age range. I agree that a large percentage of girls age 18-32 in Pattaya are freelancers.
Line is definitely the most popular app for video chatting. WhatsApp is probably #2. I recommend video chat with everyone before you make an appointment. It's easy for a ladyboy or ugly girl to look good in a filtered still picture, but difficult to look and sound good in video. Pay attention to voice. 2 or 3 minutes of video chat will tell a lot. If she refuses to video chat, I suggest moving to the next profile.
Lucky Nuts
01-11-23, 06:39
A number of posters have said a huge percentage of TF girls are freelancers, I agree with you that many are not freelancers. I would say most are not, but it depends on your location and age range. I agree that a large percentage of girls age 18-32 in Pattaya are freelancers.
Line is definitely the most popular app for video chatting. WhatsApp is probably #2. I recommend video chat with everyone before you make an appointment. It's easy for a ladyboy or ugly girl to look good in a filtered still picture, but difficult to look and sound good in video. Pay attention to voice. 2 or 3 minutes of video chat will tell a lot. If she refuses to video chat, I suggest moving to the next profile.Yeah I don't want to hazard a guess at the percentages but there are many 20 somethings on there looking for true love with a foreign guy. Glad most make that clear on their profiles. They all should.
Thanks for the affirmation that video chat is necessary and that Line works for that. I haven't been back since pre-covid and didn't remember Line's features. I'm waiting to set up my new Line until I arrive and get a local SIM card.
And very happy to hear TF is better in Pattaya. That was the source of my best sessions a few years ago. I'll wait until after Bangkok to search the Pattaya girls.
On the Bangkok scene (Nana) in general it sounds like post-covid the guys are back more than the girls have returned. My capitalistic mind is having trouble comprehending why the girls aren't back in larger numbers to where the money is at. Still a fear of catching covid? Or what?
On the Bangkok scene (Nana) in general it sounds like post-covid the guys are back more than the girls have returned. My capitalistic mind is having trouble comprehending why the girls aren't back in larger numbers to where the money is at. Still a fear of catching covid? Or what?Because many have found other jobs in the past 3 years and don't want to go back to the bar scene.
Thanks for the affirmation that video chat is necessary and that Line works for that. I haven't been back since pre-covid and didn't remember Line's features. I'm waiting to set up my new Line until I arrive and get a local SIM card.As HorseTrader says, LINE is the app you want. Easy to connect with someone's LINE ID. No need to wait to set up LINE. You have to enter a mobile number when registering, but a password gets you in, and once in, my mobile doesn't need any LOCAL number. For logging in using the app on a computer, easiest is to scan the QR card on the computer on your mobile, and authorize the login. Video works great (obviously depends on your connection speed), but the vast majority uses LINE (I still have one connection on WEChat, but that was from years ago). Everyone else is on LINE.
An alternative to a buffet in Bangkok is to go to Pier 21 in Terminal 21, choose 4 restaurants and order 5 items off each menu. 20 items x 40-60 baht = 800-1200 baht. That's way more food than 2 people can finish and only 400-600 baht per person. You'll also be the envy of all the cute Thai girls eating there. Invite a few to your table they'll likely join you.Great advice. Also, ask your night's friend to show you a local place.
Has anyone, ANYONE been to Nana Plaza lately? How about a report on what's happening out there.Stick, 8/1/23, said Geisha's was showing.
Are the taxi drivers any good or limited in English? I do have google translate on my phone I hope this will help with getting where I need to go.As Allover said, taxis will know the common landmarks. Everything is given as reference to main roads, e. G. Sukhumvit, Soi 22, then name. If you're going to be in BKK for any length of time, and by that, for me, over a day, get a BTS card and an MRT card. Each costs 100 baht, and you add baht on top of the card fee to use for travel. Rather than standing in line for a ticket machine, or to get change for a ticket machine, you just swipe your card in the turnstyle, travel, then swipe out, and it deducts the correct amount (charges are by distance traveled). I keep my card for my next trip. If the card expires while you're gone, they take any remaining balance from the old card, apply it to the new fee, and any extra gets transferred to the new card. Any number of apps with BTS/MRT route maps.
As stated, make sure taxis use the meter, and never use a taxi parked outside hotel, club, bar, etc. Walk a block, and grab one from the street. Look for a green word in the front windshield to show available, blank (or red, maybe that's old times) means taken. You're looking for a green sign on the dash visible via the windshield. Stand on the sidewalk, or half step into street, and arm straight out, I point mine on a slant down, and give a little up and down motion. Get in the back seat. When exiting, exit left, and ESPECIALLY if the cab has not pulled to the curb, be careful of opening the door. Motorcycle taxis lane split. Customary to round up to the nearest 10 baht on the fare.
MY MO is to either walk (when I'm feeling energetic), or take a taxi to a BTS station, BTS and / or MRT to near my destination, then either walk or take a taxi to the spot. When it's a cross street, say Soi Thong Lor, soi 13, I'll use google translate to have the soi number (I'm horrible with numbers over 2) on the screen. Traffic can be bad (taxis stuck), so I find the BTS / MRT short walk works for me. A motorcycle taxi is another method, but it's an e-ticket ride. Worth it to have a local sim card so you have internet connection when out and about rather than relying on wi-fi. Google maps works great. Due to the changes in 3 years, several of MY landmarks gone, google maps allowed me to re-orient and correct.
Lastly, if it's some place obscure, as stated, ask your hotel to write it down in Thai and show the paper to the driver. I've found they're very good at getting you there. YMMV.
Was considering traveling to Bangkok and noticed that the air travel time will be almost 30 hours. Is it worth it? I know that Colombia is only 7 hrs away from me, but I have heard good things about Bangkok in general. How far do you guys usually travel when visiting Bangkok?Takes me 13 + 7 with a layover in Seoul. Frequent flier benefits, even though I'm flying back of the bus, I can use the business class lounge. A real perk from Asiana. But I don't go for anything less than a month.
StreamFlyer
01-11-23, 10:26
Hey all,
I was reading about Schwab card and it seems like that is the correct way to go about things now.
Will I get the same amount of Bhat out if I withdrew $500 of Bhat out in the ATM versus if I exchanged $500 Bhat at SuperRich? If the amounts are going to be similar after I get my ATM refund, I feel that there is no need to carry big wads of cash around, and also have to worry about trying to find the nearest Money Exchange shop near by.
The Kaiser
01-11-23, 13:12
If you like to eat around Emquartier there's a good small Japanese restaurant named "Nagoya Champon" down the PhromPong BTS, on the right hand side if you walk towards soi 24/1.
They've got a very good soup with noodles, vegetables and sea food that I never found anywhere else.
And for the buffet near Sukhumvit, there's "Best Beef" near OnNut BTS but it's crowded.
Not sure if they're still open after COVID but there's always Shabushi and Oishi in Bangkok. Otherwise there are the usual hotel buffets but they're rather dull.
An alternative to a buffet in Bangkok is to go to Pier 21 in Terminal 21, choose 4 restaurants and order 5 items off each menu. 20 items x 40-60 baht = 800-1200 baht. That's way more food than 2 people can finish and only 400-600 baht per person. You'll also be the envy of all the cute Thai girls eating there. Invite a few to your table they'll likely join you.All added to my list!
A number of posters have said a huge percentage of TF girls are freelancers, I agree with you that many are not freelancers. I would say most are not, but it depends on your location and age range. I agree that a large percentage of girls age 18-32 in Pattaya are freelancers.
Line is definitely the most popular app for video chatting. WhatsApp is probably #2. I recommend video chat with everyone before you make an appointment. It's easy for a ladyboy or ugly girl to look good in a filtered still picture, but difficult to look and sound good in video. Pay attention to voice. 2 or 3 minutes of video chat will tell a lot. If she refuses to video chat, I suggest moving to the next profile.I haven't had a whole lot of success on TF. Only replies I've gotten are from IG models trying to grow their social media. Maybe I'm too picky, Idk.
Takes me 13 + 7 with a layover in Seoul. Frequent flier benefits, even though I'm flying back of the bus, I can use the business class lounge. A real perk from Asiana. But I don't go for anything less than a month.How does Asiana compare to United or Thai Air? This is my first time using Asiana. I got a FF ticket and long layover as well.
Thanks for the food recs guys and the eatigo app too. I'll definitely give that a try. There's a renowned Thai restaurant in Las Vegas, Lotus of Siam, and when I lived there a few years ago they offered an amazing lunch buffet. I was spoiled eating there weekly and unfortunately that buffet ended after a couple years. Maybe the hotel buffets are the closest to that so I'll look around.
I've been messaging lots of the Thai Friendly girls to learn which ones are "freelancers". It's been a lower percentage than I expected but I still have a good long list of potentials. I'd prefer to video chat with them before setting up the meeting. Does Line allow that or what is the most used (by Thais) app for video chat?
Hey Steve that's exactly what I'm doing. Flying to Portugal tomorrow and then on to BKK next week. That 13 hour time change is a killer so I'm breaking it in half.Couple of good restaurants in the DONKI mall on top floor as well.
Also, Niku Sho is good for Yaki Niku.
ElFlaco172
01-11-23, 16:38
Long time lurker. I've learned quite a bit from this forum. I tend to do a lot of research before immersing myself into the mongering scene and it was quite insightful. I've been in Bangkok for 2 weeks and I have to say this is an amazing city. You can never get bored here, there's always something interest around the corner.
I'm traveling with non-mongering friends so I have to find time to disappear and attend my extra curricular activities. Hit with tourist curiosity, my friends wanted to go see Nana plaza and Soi cowboy so bad and I took the opportunity to do some scouting for myself. We went in-between Christmas and New years and I have to say the scene was bad. Barely any lookers at Soi and too many guys looking. At Nana, it was the opposite lots of girls and almost no guys which made you feel weird being the only non dancers in the bar. Like 11 Brave said, the only interesting place was Geisha. Every single bar at Nana had girls barely swaying side to side (do they even know how to dance) except for Geisha where the girls seemed to actually be enjoying themselves. They have a shower show right on the stage and girls are actually dancing to the music (I wouldn't say like a strip club but at least they were moving). All in all I know I went at the worst possible time but I don't think the gogo bar scene is my thing. I understand the appeal of talking up a girl and buying her drinks and then bringing her home but I got too much social anxiety to do all that work. My preference is calling up an escort and having them come to my room but due to hiding my mongering activities from my friends I have to resort to the next best thing: massage parlours and BJ bars.
7-heaven was my first choice to break the ice. I've read great reviews from this place and that was my first mistake. I let my guard down and I didn't plan ahead by booking someone with great reviews. I arrived and was given 4 options and the assistant wasn't of much help in making a decision so I took a chance with Patty. She wasn't bad looking just less then what the photos they give you show. I have to give props to the cleaning, they are very thorough so if that was a question mark for some of you fear not. The lacking part was the service itself. She tried really hard to make me finish in 5 min. I was confused I though I paid for like 40 minutes lets slow down a bit but she didn't. I thought that was annoying no foreplay and she was making those fake pornstar noises. I have this mini super power where I can control when I cum so I didn't relent that fast but after 15 minutes I was just done with the service and unloaded in her mouth. I'm kinda disappointed with my first experience but they can't all be winners. I plan on going back at least one more time but book ahead this time. I know Lin is highly recommended but any of you guys have more recommendations from 7-heaven?
Also TSG sideline has been mentioned here a couple of times and it peaked my interested because the girls are beautiful and the price are really cheap. The cheap price is also why I'm on the fence with the service. Anyone that used this service, what's the catch? Are the girls so heavily photoshopped that they are ugly?
Can't wait to try out new services and report back.
Plenty of bars in the Nana / Asok area. I'd stay in my room and try and stream the games if I were you.
Are the taxi drivers any good or limited in English? I do have google translate on my phone I hope this will help with getting where I need to go.
How does Asiana compare to United or Thai Air? This is my first time using Asiana. I got a FF ticket and long layover as well.I like Asiana, but these days its Korea going over and who knows coming back. Thai is meh.
How does Asiana compare to United or Thai Air? This is my first time using Asiana. I got a FF ticket and long layover as well.I ONLY fly Asiana, except when they don't fly a leg I need.
I stopped flying American carriers when I retired and that was 15 years ago, though I did have to fly United 3 years ago on a repatriation flight. Best thing about that flight was that it was mostly empty. My gripe with American carriers are they are staffed based on seniority, and the SENIORS bid on the long haul routes as they don't have to work that much; couple of meals, drinks service, then free to read a book, knit, etc. for the rest of the flight. Asian carriers have (or used to have) an age limit for on-board staff; the Asian mentality, younger workers are more energetic and work harder. Good service even if back of the plane. Every hour or two, cabin crew will make a pass just to see if anyone needs anything. I'll fly twice the time on Asiana rather than take a direct route on an American carrier (though I do fly back of the bus). Other reasons too, see below.
Just flew Thai. Nice, but they've fallen a long way. Still beats United. I'm lucky, I NEVER have to fly US domestic.
The great thing about Asiana are their FF plans (definitely sign up). 20,000 miles in 2 years gets you gold, 40,000 in 2 diamond (which is gold on other Star Alliance airlines). Lasts for 2 years, so with a couple of trans-pacific flights a year, easy to maintain. Gold should get you a complementary business lounge pass in transit. Diamond gets you your own check-in line (otherwise you can use business class line), lounge access pre-departure, early boarding (with business class regardless of flight class), lounge access in transit, priority baggage handling. Asiana nice enough to grandfather me a couple of years during pandemic.
If your long layover is in Incheon, you're in luck, great airport. In terminal 2, Asiana business class lounges on 2nd floor. Some decent food and drink, though the hot food can go quick (as do the massage chairs if they still have). Airport itself USED to have free showers. LIkewise, the common areas have quiet rooms (reclining chairs) and sleeping areas (mattresses on floor) in a dimly lit room. The business class lounges close at 23:00?, open at 6:00?, so I have made use of the sleeping areas (even if lounge was open, go find a mat, sleep for a number of hours, then back to the lounge for breakfast). If you have a long layover, but don't have lounge access, there is a pay-to-use lounge, Hub I believe. $25 USD gets you 4 hours, decent food, free drinks, less crowded than the business class lounges. Haven't needed to use it for a number of years, but before I made my rank, worth it to me (pay 3 USD for a coke in the terminal itself, or $25 to stuff myself). They do offer guided tours if you have a long layover, but have never availed myself of those (have seen Seoul).
Unfortunately, Asiana is being absorbed by Korean Airlines, more stringent FF levels.
But a really nice ride while it lasts. If flying an A380, sit upper deck, config is 2-4-2, while lower deck is 3-4-3.
Hey all,
I was reading about Schwab card and it seems like that is the correct way to go about things now.
Will I get the same amount of Bhat out if I withdrew $500 of Bhat out in the ATM versus if I exchanged $500 Bhat at SuperRich? If the amounts are going to be similar after I get my ATM refund, I feel that there is no need to carry big wads of cash around, and also have to worry about trying to find the nearest Money Exchange shop near by.I'd say a better rate via Schwab, certainly not worse. MUCH easier to use an ATM and you don't have to worry about unaccepted currency bills. Even though Schwab does refund the fees, I still take a maximum amount from an ATM as the ATM fee is a set fee, NOT based on the withdrawal amount. Call me naive, but I don't want to nickle and dime Schwab to death (though to test a new card, I do take $20 from a local ATM just to ensure all is well). Even if it was a lesser rate, and we're talking fractions of a baht, the convenience is worth it to me.
ChuchoLoco
01-12-23, 03:16
I'd say a better rate via Schwab, certainly not worse. MUCH easier to use an ATM and you don't have to worry about unaccepted currency bills. Even though Schwab does refund the fees, I still take a maximum amount from an ATM as the ATM fee is a set fee, NOT based on the withdrawal amount. Call me naive, but I don't want to nickle and dime Schwab to death (though to test a new card, I do take $20 from a local ATM just to ensure all is well). Even if it was a lesser rate, and we're talking fractions of a baht, the convenience is worth it to me.You're not naive but just doing the right thing. Do unto others as they do unto you. Schwab does us right.
Key to this is don't do it as one continuous journey. If headed East bound stay overnight in London or Frankfurt. This has many benefits:
Considerably less exhausting.
Check out the scene both London and Frankfurt have awesome girl options.
It's LESS expensive. Book separate round trip to London from home and separate RT from London to Bangkok. Guaranteed to be less expensive than the complete round trip. Even with hotels. Seriously. I do it all the time.I use airline points so for me it's less points booking it as one itinerary.
I have done Frankfurt on the way back from Thailand as I like to stop over somewhere in Europe. Post Covid hotels in Europe are too expensive for my taste so I avoid Europe for now, just so much more value in South East Asia.
StreamFlyer
01-12-23, 04:35
I'd say a better rate via Schwab, certainly not worse. MUCH easier to use an ATM and you don't have to worry about unaccepted currency bills. Even though Schwab does refund the fees, I still take a maximum amount from an ATM as the ATM fee is a set fee, NOT based on the withdrawal amount. Call me naive, but I don't want to nickle and dime Schwab to death (though to test a new card, I do take $20 from a local ATM just to ensure all is well). Even if it was a lesser rate, and we're talking fractions of a baht, the convenience is worth it to me.Thanks for the intel Bravo! That's good to know. Are any ATM's okay? Or do you go specifically to the ATM's right next to the the Banks?
I ONLY fly Asiana, except when they don't fly a leg I need.
I stopped flying American carriers when I retired and that was 15 years ago, though I did have to fly United 3 years ago on a repatriation flight. Best thing about that flight was that it was mostly empty. My gripe with American carriers are they are staffed based on seniority, and the SENIORS bid on the long haul routes as they don't have to work that much; couple of meals, drinks service, then free to read a book, knit, etc. for the rest of the flight. Asian carriers have (or used to have) an age limit for on-board staff; the Asian mentality, younger workers are more energetic and work harder. Good service even if back of the plane. Every hour or two, cabin crew will make a pass just to see if anyone needs anything. I'll fly twice the time on Asiana rather than take a direct route on an American carrier (though I do fly back of the bus). Other reasons too, see below.
Just flew Thai. Nice, but they've fallen a long way. Still beats United. I'm lucky, I NEVER have to fly US domestic.
The great thing about Asiana are their FF plans (definitely sign up). 20,000 miles in 2 years gets you gold, 40,000 in 2 diamond (which is gold on other Star Alliance airlines). Lasts for 2 years, so with a couple of trans-pacific flights a year, easy to maintain. Gold should get you a complementary business lounge pass in transit. Diamond gets you your own check-in line (otherwise you can use business class line), lounge access pre-departure, early boarding (with business class regardless of flight class), lounge access in transit, priority baggage handling. Asiana nice enough to grandfather me a couple of years during pandemic.
If your long layover is in Incheon, you're in luck, great airport. In terminal 2, Asiana business class lounges on 2nd floor. Some decent food and drink, though the hot food can go quick (as do the massage chairs if they still have). Airport itself USED to have free showers. LIkewise, the common areas have quiet rooms (reclining chairs) and sleeping areas (mattresses on floor) in a dimly lit room. The business class lounges close at 23:00?, open at 6:00?, so I have made use of the sleeping areas (even if lounge was open, go find a mat, sleep for a number of hours, then back to the lounge for breakfast). If you have a long layover, but don't have lounge access, there is a pay-to-use lounge, Hub I believe. $25 USD gets you 4 hours, decent food, free drinks, less crowded than the business class lounges. Haven't needed to use it for a number of years, but before I made my rank, worth it to me (pay 3 USD for a coke in the terminal itself, or $25 to stuff myself). They do offer guided tours if you have a long layover, but have never availed myself of those (have seen Seoul).
Unfortunately, Asiana is being absorbed by Korean Airlines, more stringent FF levels.
But a really nice ride while it lasts. If flying an A380, sit upper deck, config is 2-4-2, while lower deck is 3-4-3.I really appreciate the detailed info on the airline and lounge. I got a million mile status on United and a lifetime Red Carpet membership, so I am stuck with United until I die. I don't travel much now days so I just look forward to my leisure travel in my retirement. I had some reservations about Asiana, but your review relieves my concerns and I can look forward to a nice flight. I do have a tight connection of 85 minutes going over, so I hope there isn't any problems with that.
Again, thanks for the information!
I'd say a better rate via Schwab, certainly not worse. MUCH easier to use an ATM and you don't have to worry about unaccepted currency bills. Even though Schwab does refund the fees, I still take a maximum amount from an ATM as the ATM fee is a set fee, NOT based on the withdrawal amount. Call me naive, but I don't want to nickle and dime Schwab to death (though to test a new card, I do take $20 from a local ATM just to ensure all is well). Even if it was a lesser rate, and we're talking fractions of a baht, the convenience is worth it to me.This is easy enough to check. Just withdraw 10 k baht from Schwab. See how many USD are withdrawn from your account. Compare the rate you're getting to the posted one at Superrich.
I know if the ATM ate my card in Thailand, I wouldn't be in a very good place without cash on hand. It'd be different if credit cards were widely accepted, but cash is still king in Thailand, especially for your day to day purchases. The more you pull out your card, the more risk you take on for theft, skimmers, etc. . .
This is easy enough to check. Just withdraw 10 k baht from Schwab. See how many USD are withdrawn from your account. Compare the rate you're getting to the posted one at Superrich.
I know if the ATM ate my card in Thailand, I wouldn't be in a very good place without cash on hand. It'd be different if credit cards were widely accepted, but cash is still king in Thailand, especially for your day to day purchases. The more you pull out your card, the more risk you take on for theft, skimmers, etc. . .MYSELF, I can't be bothered with comparing rates. I'm happy with the Schwab card and the convenience it provides. The only thing I check is the reimbursement at the end of the month, and I don't bother comparing rates there (ATM fee on day n) with end-of-month reimbursement rate. Yes, in a month it can certainly change (as currently), but for me, close enough for government work. MY time is valuable too.
Good point about the more you use, the greater risk of problems. I do try and use ATM's inside of banks, though in writing, I just realized that some that seem to be inside are actually outside the actual bank office itself, but given I use mostly in the early afternoon, hopefully any problems have been found. I do check for skimmers and shield my entry. Soothes my heart at least. I do carry my bank's ATM card as backup, along with a secondary bank's ATM card just because redundancy is king. Due to THEIR fees, hopefully never have to use, but they are there. As someone else recently posted, actually not a simple matter of getting a card replaced, jumping through all the hoops.
The Kaiser
01-12-23, 09:52
I know Lin is highly recommended but any of you guys have more recommendations from 7-heaven?I went in once and Pui was pretty good. She seemed like she'd had one too many espressos, but the overall experience was enjoyable. It was definitely less than 40 minutes, but I figured speed keeps girls and rooms available, so their approach makes sense business wise. Not sure about other BJ bars because I'm yet to go.
Also TSG sideline has been mentioned here a couple of times and it peaked my interested because the girls are beautiful and the price are really cheap. The cheap price is also why I'm on the fence with the service. Anyone that used this service, what's the catch? Are the girls so heavily photoshopped that they are ugly?I'm in love with Sideline. In my limited experience, I've found that almost none of the photos to be indicative of the final product. How old or edited the photos are is difficult to know until you show up or try video chatting. Video chatting is too much work for me and I'm not sure if they have apps that can apply a filter, so I've been gambling. I've gone to 3 girls so far.
- the first was a good 10 kg heavier than her photo, but she was kinda cute and the view of the CIM finish was enough to keep me satisfied.
- the second looked very close to her photo. Fit body and excellent riding and BJ skills! She was very assertive and it's probably the first time I was comfortable not taking the lead at all during the encounter.
- the third had had a lot of work done since her photo or just edited the photo so you couldn't tell. Lips, boobs and enough Botox for 2 lifetimes. She was very nice though and didn't charge extra for CIM after some exceptional service, so it was easy to overlook. She kept the lighting dim and had blue fairy lights around the headboard. The blue light reflecting off of her makeup made it feel like a stylized music video and was a neat visual experience IMO.
As a fellow longtime lurker, I like Sideline Massage Parlors Outcall Escorts (smooci has the best photos and reviews, I've tried 2 others but the price is not worth the gamble IMO) Soapies (pretty but the acting is worse than WWE not to mention the bedroom skills).
I still haven't been to Nana or Cowboy yet. The task has seemed a little daunting for a solo traveller and I'm usually running low on energy later into the night. I think being high energy and sociable is the most conducive state for that scene, so maybe this weekend.
I really appreciate the detailed info on the airline and lounge. I got a million mile status on United and a lifetime Red Carpet membership, so I am stuck with United until I die. I don't travel much now days so I just look forward to my leisure travel in my retirement. I had some reservations about Asiana, but your review relieves my concerns and I can look forward to a nice flight. I do have a tight connection of 85 minutes going over, so I hope there isn't any problems with that.
Again, thanks for the information!Million mile status? Lifetime Red Carpet? Just call me Junior....
Not to alarm you, but, that is a tight connection and I speak from experience, my own 85 minute connection. Just my last trip, last November, incoming flight late by 30 minutes, and even as the A380 was still taxiing to the gate, the onward flight was boarding (boarding starts about 50 minutes before departure time), AND I was sitting in the last section on the incoming flight. Long time to taxi, LONG time to deplane. I'd given up hope, next flight was 19 hours later, and as I emerged from the jetway, looked at the crowd of other missed connection passengers. BUT to my relief, there was a handwritten sign saying the onward flight was being held for 30 minutes. ALL RIGHT.
Be aware at Incheon, you have to pass through security x-ray in transit (assumed dirty in). It can get backed up, but does move quickly, most of the time. Once you deplane, just follow the signs for transfer, and as you round a corner, there is security. Before I get there, I empty my pockets into my carry-on, and pull out my laptop, keeping only passport and next boarding pass in pocket. Can't remember if I had to remove shoes (no TSA pre-check here).
Note: assuming your INCOMING flight is Asiana, all of Asiana uses terminal 1. If another carrier, it can be terminal 2; there is a train between the two, but it does take time. I've never had to use.
BUT, being familiar with the airport, checked my departing boarding gate on a tote board. I also knew, and was lucky enough, to be right below an Asiana business class lounge. Quick like a bunny, up to the lounge. You can just scan the boarding pass's QR code to open the automatic gate, but of course it'd been so long, I was trying to check-in at the desk, so the NICE girl showed me that it really was automated (duh). Quick to the food line to grab some finger sandwiches and to get a soft drink (no COKE, Pepsi). Enough time to scarf a couple of sandwiches and a couple of Pepsi's before heading to the onward gate. The flight was already boarding, no chance to use my preferred boarding status, but used the FEW minutes to connect to the free wi-fi (very easy) and send a LINE message to Thai friends that my arrival would be delayed.
So, I'd grab a copy of the airport map, listen for my arrival and departure gates (I can never understand, but my ears are shot). Lounges are upstairs, I don't wait for the elevator but take the escalator. It does pay to glance at the airport's own map to see where you are and the lounges are, there are several. Both sets are where the gate arms join the concourse. Quick Google search for the maps, they LOOK accurate, but won't swear to it. Hell, you're a million mile flyer, they probably hold planes for you; you'll figure it out.
And I've always managed to make a trip to a lounge on every connection, even when 90 minutes (or less). Tight, but doable when you're a Cheap Charlie. I think you really will enjoy the service on Asiana. My one gripe - all the stews look like came from the same cookie-cutter; there are some cute ones.
It's not an ignorant comment and doesn't affect my self esteem as I don't date and don't plan to marry. It's based on my personal observations and data. You can lookup dating website statistics and you'll find that the majority of Asian women are interested in only white men. Plenty of videos on Youtube cover dating statistics if you would like to educate yourself. The facts are in the stats, not your feelings.Obviously, you never took statistics in college. One of the things you learn is if you want to lie bring up statistics. All your points / examples have no merit except in your mind. I am done with this topic.
HorseTrader
01-12-23, 17:33
Obviously, you never took statistics in college. One of the things you learn is if you want to lie bring up statistics. All your points / examples have no merit except in your mind. I am done with this topic.Many posters in this forum are deeply embedded in the P4P scene and never see the more normal side of Thailand society. We also look at dating sites that are geared for Thai women meeting foreign men (ThaiFriendly, ThaiCupid, ThaiFlirting). Our thought process is skewed and we seldom see normal Thai society.
If we spend a few weeks in non-tourist areas, we will think differently (e.g., Roi Et, Nakhon Si Thammarat, northern Bangkok). I've done a fair amount of those things and it is a different world. Actually doing it is not recommended to punters, many will get bored.
I went in once and Pui was pretty good. She seemed like she'd had one too many espressos, but the overall experience was enjoyable. It was definitely less than 40 minutes, but I figured speed keeps girls and rooms available, so their approach makes sense business wise. Not sure about other BJ bars because I'm yet to go.
I'm in love with Sideline. In my limited experience, I've found that almost none of the photos to be indicative of the final product. How old or edited the photos are is difficult to know until you show up or try video chatting. Video chatting is too much work for me and I'm not sure if they have apps that can apply a filter, so I've been gambling. I've gone to 3 girls so far.
- the first was a good 10 kg heavier than her photo, but she was kinda cute and the view of the CIM finish was enough to keep me satisfied.
- the second looked very close to her photo. Fit body and excellent riding and BJ skills! She was very assertive and it's probably the first time I was comfortable not taking the lead at all during the encounter..Good report and I find it useful.
I would like try sideline next time I am there. Do you have to always visit them? How is the room? Is it a Massage parlour or they are willing to come to you?
Because when I visited their website, in the profiles of almost all girls, it's mentioned that they don't work outside, which I believe is 'No Outcall'.
https://www.sidelinethailand.com/a/@tsgsideline
I have been to nana and soicowboy and like you I don't have the energy to venture out in the night. I also lack the necessary skills to convert a conversation to an encounter these days. I have managed with a few some years back.
So, every time I am in BKK, I end up in a MP or an escort from Smooci.
Million mile status? Lifetime Red Carpet? Just call me Junior....
Not to alarm you, but, that is a tight connection and I speak from experience, my own 85 minute connection. Just my last trip, last November, incoming flight late by 30 minutes, and even as the A380 was still taxiing to the gate, the onward flight was boarding (boarding starts about 50 minutes before departure time), AND I was sitting in the last section on the incoming flight. Long time to taxi, LONG time to deplane. I'd given up hope, next flight was 19 hours later, and as I emerged from the jetway, looked at the crowd of other missed connection passengers. BUT to my relief, there was a handwritten sign saying the onward flight was being held for 30 minutes. ALL RIGHT.
Be aware at Incheon, you have to pass through security x-ray in transit (assumed dirty in). It can get backed up, but does move quickly, most of the time. Once you deplane, just follow the signs for transfer, and as you round a corner, there is security. Before I get there, I empty my pockets into my carry-on, and pull out my laptop, keeping only passport and next boarding pass in pocket. Can't remember if I had to remove shoes (no TSA pre-check here).
Note: assuming your INCOMING flight is Asiana, all of Asiana uses terminal 1. If another carrier, it can be terminal 2; there is a train between the two, but it does take time. I've never had to use.
BUT, being familiar with the airport, checked my departing boarding gate on a tote board. I also knew, and was lucky enough, to be right below an Asiana business class lounge. Quick like a bunny, up to the lounge. You can just scan the boarding pass's QR code to open the automatic gate, but of course it'd been so long, I was trying to check-in at the desk, so the NICE girl showed me that it really was automated (duh). Quick to the food line to grab some finger sandwiches and to get a soft drink (no COKE, Pepsi). Enough time to scarf a couple of sandwiches and a couple of Pepsi's before heading to the onward gate. The flight was already boarding, no chance to use my preferred boarding status, but used the FEW minutes to connect to the free wi-fi (very easy) and send a LINE message to Thai friends that my arrival would be delayed.
So, I'd grab a copy of the airport map, listen for my arrival and departure gates (I can never understand, but my ears are shot). Lounges are upstairs, I don't wait for the elevator but take the escalator. It does pay to glance at the airport's own map to see where you are and the lounges are, there are several. Both sets are where the gate arms join the concourse. Quick Google search for the maps, they LOOK accurate, but won't swear to it. Hell, you're a million mile flyer, they probably hold planes for you; you'll figure it out.
And I've always managed to make a trip to a lounge on every connection, even when 90 minutes (or less). Tight, but doable when you're a Cheap Charlie. I think you really will enjoy the service on Asiana. My one gripe - all the stews look like came from the same cookie-cutter; there are some cute ones.Thanks for all the detail info on connecting in Inchon. Both flights are on Asiana, so I am hoping the connections will be close by. As for my mileage status with United, it really boils down to basically nothing now days. United takes care of those revenue generating passengers, not us retired folks. As for the lifetime pass, all that means is that United looks forward to me dropping dead as soon as possible!
Any way, thanks again for all the good info for this novice flyer on Asiana and Inchon airport. Us retired folks need to know where exactly we are going so I don't want to be staying in Inchon for 24 hours! LOLOL!
You're not naive but just doing the right thing. Do unto others as they do unto you. Schwab does us right.Thanks, confirmed my thoughts.
Thanks for the intel Bravo! That's good to know. Are any ATM's okay? Or do you go specifically to the ATM's right next to the the Banks?I can't say if there are any independent ATM's as I wouldn't use if there were. Probably an ATM inside Nana but I wouldn't use. Given I pass a Krungsri bank every day on my walk to the BTS station, I use theirs. There are a number of other banks on my route, theirs is just the most convenient and secure IMHO. The ATM's are inside a foyer with another door to the bank office itself. Security guard opens the door to the foyer; it's private but visible if you know what I mean. I've also used the Citi Bank ATM's at Asoke, but they're very public, outside in a busy pedestrian way, though there is a bank employee (at least there used to be) outside with the ATM's. I haven't bothered to check, but I'm sure that every bank charges the maximum allowed for use of their ATM by a stranger, simple business anywhere in the world. I don't care to have any casual observers watching me take the cash and put it away, but I also don't want to be out remotely. I figure, maybe wishful thinking, that monitored ATM's are less likely to have skimmers, etc. Just use common sense for anywhere in the world, including home.
Not sure about other BJ bars because I'm yet to go.
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I still haven't been to Nana or Cowboy yet. The task has seemed a little daunting for a solo traveller and I'm usually running low on energy later into the night. I think being high energy and sociable is the most conducive state for that scene, so maybe this weekend.Both SOL (Star of Light) if reopened, and Meet the World, open, are INSTITUTIONS WRT BJ bars. Both in Patpong, Patpong 2. Directions in earlier FR's. Both function afternoons for a bit of afternoon delight. If you're a form over function type, perhaps not for you as lookers they are not, but skill sets... Unique experiences and make good war stories. Just mention SOL and watch the ole BKK hands grin.
Being a solo traveler, I always enjoy hunting alone at the bars. You start adding people and it gets exponentially more complicated. I only have to please myself (stay, leave, go where, when, etc), selfish that way. I also find it easier to meet who I'm there to meet, and no disrespect to any member here, it's not you (2nd person plural). Clear to ALL concerned as to why I'm there ....
Long time lurker. I've learned quite a bit from this forum. I tend to do a lot of research before immersing myself into the mongering scene and it was quite insightful. I've been in Bangkok for 2 weeks and I have to say this is an amazing city. You can never get bored here, there's always something interest around the corner.A nod to BOTH TheKaiser and ElFlaco172 for their entertaining and informative FR's. Understand it takes effort AND TIME to post; yours are appreciated.
Many posters in this forum are deeply embedded in the P4P scene and never see the more normal side of Thailand society. We also look at dating sites that are geared for Thai women meeting foreign men (ThaiFriendly, ThaiCupid, ThaiFlirting). Our thought process is skewed and we seldom see normal Thai society.
If we spend a few weeks in non-tourist areas, we will think differently (e.g., Roi Et, Nakhon Si Thammarat, northern Bangkok). I've done a fair amount of those things and it is a different world. Actually doing it is not recommended to punters, many will get bored.Both punting and tourism would grow boring on their own, but when mixed, a week or two doing one, then a week or two doing the other, that's a mix I like.
I'd say a better rate via Schwab, certainly not worse. MUCH easier to use an ATM and you don't have to worry about unaccepted currency bills. Even though Schwab does refund the fees, I still take a maximum amount from an ATM as the ATM fee is a set fee, NOT based on the withdrawal amount. Call me naive, but I don't want to nickle and dime Schwab to death (though to test a new card, I do take $20 from a local ATM just to ensure all is well). Even if it was a lesser rate, and we're talking fractions of a baht, the convenience is worth it to me.Oh wow good point, I forgot the fee is not based on withdrawal amount. Time to take out the max.
Although in my three transactions so far this is what I calculated base off of googled exchange rate at time of withdrawal.
1 - 11 baht per $100 withdrawal.
2 - 9 baht.
3 - 28 baht. Not sure why this one trans fee was a lot more. Maybe schwab doesn't used live exchange rate when doing foreign withdrawals. Possible avg for the day or previous day.
I was taking out 5 k each time, will do max now that you mention its a flat fee. This was all in Pattaya krungsri ATM not sure if it matters. The TT kiosks was at lowest I withdrew got about 21 baht fee per $100. TT seems to be consistently the lowest at Pattaya. My 3 Schwab withdrawal still avg out lower than my kiosks withdrawals. I'll probably do one big withdrawal when I'm back in Bangkok to get my moneys worth.
Thanks for all the detail info on connecting in Inchon. Both flights are on Asiana, so I am hoping the connections will be close by. As for my mileage status with United, it really boils down to basically nothing now days. United takes care of those revenue generating passengers, not us retired folks. As for the lifetime pass, all that means is that United looks forward to me dropping dead as soon as possible!
Any way, thanks again for all the good info for this novice flyer on Asiana and Inchon airport. Us retired folks need to know where exactly we are going so I don't want to be staying in Inchon for 24 hours! LOLOL!Couple of more memories: in Nov last year, Asiana was a "no mask, no fly" airline, enforced. They ran out of free masks during boarding of the initial leg, and were directing those who didn't have their own to shops at the airport where masks could be bought. Everyone in Incheon was wearing masks. Doesn't bother me, but some ....
I'd usually transit Incheon 4 times a year. The WIDE arrivals corridor to transfer, immigration, baggage claim, has moving walkways. The transfer is a corridor at right angles to the main corridor. Well marked with ceiling signs. My ONLY concern with connections was the in-transit security. The agents are efficient, it's the other passengers you have to worry about ("where did I put my notebook in my carry-on?) Seems they usually run 2-3 out of 4 security lines, with a traffic manager at the head of the single "muliti-switchback" feeder line to the separate lines. Usually works, but I've jumped when I've noticed a herd of confused ahead of me in the line I was directed to. Once through, no worries. Up an escalator to the departure floor, coming out at the base of one of the arms.
The arms are NOT all that short, especially if you're lucky enough to have a gate at the end loop, but it is NO BKK "pack a lunch" Swampy either. Moving walkways along the main connector between the 2 arms, and along the arms themselves. On the incoming flight, they will announce departure gates, but as I said, I can never understand. Tote boards in the main areas, but I find the tote board in the business lounge easier to read. My onward boarding pass did have the gate on it, but always best to double check. Upstairs, besides the lounges, are the other common areas, such as quiet rooms, tv rooms, etc.
The Kaiser
01-13-23, 13:43
Both SOL (Star of Light) if reopened, and Meet the World, open, are INSTITUTIONS WRT BJ bars. Both in Patpong, Patpong 2. Directions in earlier FR's. Both function afternoons for a bit of afternoon delight. If you're a form over function type, perhaps not for you as lookers they are not, but skill sets... Unique experiences and make good war stories. Just mention SOL and watch the ole BKK hands grin. SOL was on my list already because I had read they do the deed right in the bar and that's something that should be on everyone's bucket list IMO. I do need to have the girls attractive enough in one way or another, so they way you describe it, I might find it challenging to perform.
Being a solo traveler, I always enjoy hunting alone at the bars. You start adding people and it gets exponentially more complicated. I only have to please myself (stay, leave, go where, when, etc), selfish that way. I also find it easier to meet who I'm there to meet, and no disrespect to any member here, it's not you (2nd person plural). Clear to ALL concerned as to why I'm there ....I agree with you on this note. The logistics are a lot easier to manage and only depend on my whims and fancies. It's just that my social skills always perform better when I've been able to warm up. I really should just bite the bullet and head out tonight. I'm probably building the whole thing up far too much in my head.
A nod to BOTH TheKaiser and ElFlaco172 for their entertaining and informative FR's. Understand it takes effort AND TIME to post; yours are appreciated.I appreciate it! This forum was invaluable to a guppy like me, but I honestly only posted because these aren't exactly the sort of activities I can discuss with the vast majority of people I know. The anonymity of this forum allows me to process, share and get feedback from veterans, so I'm glad my selfishness in posting is also of some benefit to others.
Both punting and tourism would grow boring on their own, but when mixed, a week or two doing one, then a week or two doing the other, that's a mix I like.That's why I started Muay Thai this week.
Also I should probably type up and share my reports for this week sometime.
Explorer8939
01-13-23, 13:43
Many posters in this forum are deeply embedded in the P4P scene and never see the more normal side of Thailand society. We also look at dating sites that are geared for Thai women meeting foreign men (ThaiFriendly, ThaiCupid, ThaiFlirting). Our thought process is skewed and we seldom see normal Thai society.
If we spend a few weeks in non-tourist areas, we will think differently (e.g., Roi Et, Nakhon Si Thammarat, northern Bangkok). I've done a fair amount of those things and it is a different world. Actually doing it is not recommended to punters, many will get bored.What you are saying is there isn't much mongering outside of the specialized mongering sites (Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket, etc). In real life, Thai bars do have ladies, but for drinks only. Ladies don't go with Thai customers in the bar. If they want to go, arrangements will be made. Sometimes a bargirl will become a mia noi for a customer, which takes her off the market.
Oh wow good point, I forgot the fee is not based on withdrawal amount. Time to take out the max.
Although in my three transactions so far this is what I calculated base off of googled exchange rate at time of withdrawal.
1 - 11 baht per $100 withdrawal.
2 - 9 baht.
3 - 28 baht. Not sure why this one trans fee was a lot more. Maybe schwab doesn't used live exchange rate when doing foreign withdrawals. Possible avg for the day or previous day.
I was taking out 5 k each time, will do max now that you mention its a flat fee. This was all in Pattaya krungsri ATM not sure if it matters. The TT kiosks was at lowest I withdrew got about 21 baht fee per $100. TT seems to be consistently the lowest at Pattaya. My 3 Schwab withdrawal still avg out lower than my kiosks withdrawals. I'll probably do one big withdrawal when I'm back in Bangkok to get my moneys worth.Maybe I'm just not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do want to pass out a warning to drunk or jet-lagged ATM users in Thailand.
Four trips since 2018, spent over a year in Thailand, and I still leave my ATM card in the machine. Twice, so far. My regular US ATM always gives me my card back before I get the money while it's making a loud beeping noise with flashing lights reminding me to get it.
In Thailand, they give you the money first, the card after you finalize the transaction. In fairness, you get the same loud 'hey don't forget your card idiot' tone after you get the money, but the first time it happened I was way too drunk and had already stumbled down the road and didn't notice the machine screaming at me. Fortunately, I was leaving in a few days and had my backup. I thought I learned my lesson until I did it again my first day in BKK last summer when I was trying to stay awake to adjust to the time difference. Damn! I have to second the Schwab recommendation since they sent me a card in less than a week at no charge. So remember, take your money then wait for the card. Do as I say, not as I do.
Getting a local bank account this time since I'm now spending half my time there.
RE: Thai Bank. If I may ask, which do you use and are there any established relationships with US banks?
N_R.Only one I've heard of is Bangkok Bank, which has or used to have an US branch.
Couple of more memories: in Nov last year, Asiana was a "no mask, no fly" airline, enforced. They ran out of free masks during boarding of the initial leg, and were directing those who didn't have their own to shops at the airport where masks could be bought. Everyone in Incheon was wearing masks. Doesn't bother me, but some ....
I'd usually transit Incheon 4 times a year. The WIDE arrivals corridor to transfer, immigration, baggage claim, has moving walkways. The transfer is a corridor at right angles to the main corridor. Well marked with ceiling signs. My ONLY concern with connections was the in-transit security. The agents are efficient, it's the other passengers you have to worry about ("where did I put my notebook in my carry-on?) Seems they usually run 2-3 out of 4 security lines, with a traffic manager at the head of the single "muliti-switchback" feeder line to the separate lines. Usually works, but I've jumped when I've noticed a herd of confused ahead of me in the line I was directed to. Once through, no worries. Up an escalator to the departure floor, coming out at the base of one of the arms.
The arms are NOT all that short, especially if you're lucky enough to have a gate at the end loop, but it is NO BKK "pack a lunch" Swampy either. Moving walkways along the main connector between the 2 arms, and along the arms themselves. On the incoming flight, they will announce departure gates, but as I said, I can never understand. Tote boards in the main areas, but I find the tote board in the business lounge easier to read. My onward boarding pass did have the gate on it, but always best to double check. Upstairs, besides the lounges, are the other common areas, such as quiet rooms, tv rooms, etc.Thanks again for the detailed description of what to expect at Inchon. Changing planes in any new airport with a short connection can give someone old like me a heart attack! Getting stuck at an airport is not something I looked forward to even on the best of times. Now days it's a nightmare.
I even checked my seats again on Asiana because I made the selection on the United website in October. Guess what! The seat selections I had made then were cancelled and trying to make the selection on the United website was impossible. I had to call both Asiana and Thai Air to get seat assignments. As soon as I made the calls, the seat assignments showed up on the United website in minutes! Back in October the flights were pretty much empty, but now the reservation agents I spoke to today said the flights were book solid!
I really appreciate your guidance and assistance on this information.
I have been in BKK for a few days. Of course, it's getting worse and if you're demanding, you have to work a bit, but it's still a place where you can get everything you want. Starting with the perfect teenager 3000/3 min. Suitable only for groping and kicking ass, through slightly older options, but offering perfect GFE, where sometimes a conversation is not worse than sex (old age is not joy and all for very reasonable money, and ending with a pleasant and cuddly candidate for wife, a student from the suburbs, who will still consider the farang a man of a better category.
Oh wow good point, I forgot the fee is not based on withdrawal amount. Time to take out the max.
3 - 28 baht. Not sure why this one trans fee was a lot more. Maybe schwab doesn't used live exchange rate when doing foreign withdrawals. Possible avg for the day or previous day.Yes, it's NOT like a bank's ATM card where you get charged a percentage of the amount withdrawn for a foreign transaction fee (years ago, I queried and was told that that was a hedge against fluctuating exchange rates, yea, right cue eye roll).
COULD be the last higher rate was due to the DROP of the dollar to the baht. Over the last 3 months, high 38.3 (mid-October), low 32.79 (today). FMTT.
Maybe I'm just not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do want to pass out a warning to drunk or jet-lagged ATM users in Thailand.
Four trips since 2018, spent over a year in Thailand, and I still leave my ATM card in the machine. Twice, so far. My regular US ATM always gives me my card back before I get the money while it's making a loud beeping noise with flashing lights reminding me to get it.
In Thailand, they give you the money first, the card after you finalize the transaction. In fairness, you get the same loud 'hey don't forget your card idiot' tone after you get the money, but the first time it happened I was way too drunk and had already stumbled down the road and didn't notice the machine screaming at me. Fortunately, I was leaving in a few days and had my backup. I thought I learned my lesson until I did it again my first day in BKK last summer when I was trying to stay awake to adjust to the time difference. Damn! I have to second the Schwab recommendation since they sent me a card in less than a week at no charge. So remember, take your money then wait for the card. Do as I say, not as I do.
Getting a local bank account this time since I'm now spending half my time there.FOR ME, I always take some baht home with me sufficient for next arrival's transportation and initial meal. Say a couple 1000's, including a number of 20's (taxi fare next morning). I never exchange money at airport or before I crash. Likewise, I never use an ATM when drunk. Sufficient funds either in wallet or back at hotel. When you're tired / drunk, too prone to error. I also always get a printed receipt from the ATM (money, receipt, card checklist) just in case Schwab doesn't catch the fee. In Australia it seems that the LAST thing delivered is the money (card ejected, receipt printed, cash drawer opens) which tends to distract me from the card so I've learned to take the card and receipt first, stick in my wallet where they don't belong, then reach for the money just so I don't leave without the card.
SOL was on my list already because I had read they do the deed right in the bar and that's something that should be on everyone's bucket list IMO. I do need to have the girls attractive enough in one way or another, so they way you describe it, I might find it challenging to perform.Maybe it's just me, but the only thing I notice when sitting on the couch getting a BJ is the top of the head bobbing up and down, and tops look the same to me. If it helps, Meet the World dims the lights when the deck is cleared for action ... World also serves BJ's in bar; FS if you choose but I availed myself of the bed in the alcove, curtains drawn for the FS. If you still need some distractions, then ring the bell and be treated to a swarm, you'll have a face full of boobs or more heads bobbing below your chin as they tongue your nipples.
I agree with you on this note. The logistics are a lot easier to manage and only depend on my whims and fancies. It's just that my social skills always perform better when I've been able to warm up. I really should just bite the bullet and head out tonight. I'm probably building the whole thing up far too much in my head.You are. Remember, it's BUSINESS. Yes, you can have fun, a LOT of fun, but the bottom line is, you're looking to sign a contract as is she. If you can agree, fine. If not, as Yul Brynner told Eli Wallach in The Magnificent Seven, "Ride on" .
I appreciate it! This forum was invaluable to a guppy like me, but I honestly only posted because these aren't exactly the sort of activities I can discuss with the vast majority of people I know. The anonymity of this forum allows me to process, share and get feedback from veterans, so I'm glad my selfishness in posting is also of some benefit to others. All benefit, newbees and veterans, different set of eyes, different places visited.
That's why I started Muay Thai this week.Crap, I'm happy with a new temple ... .
Thanks again for the detailed description of what to expect at Inchon. Changing planes in any new airport with a short connection can give someone old like me a heart attack! Getting stuck at an airport is not something I looked forward to even on the best of times. Now days it's a nightmare.
I even checked my seats again on Asiana because I made the selection on the United website in October. Guess what! The seat selections I had made then were cancelled and trying to make the selection on the United website was impossible. I had to call both Asiana and Thai Air to get seat assignments. As soon as I made the calls, the seat assignments showed up on the United website in minutes! Back in October the flights were pretty much empty, but now the reservation agents I spoke to today said the flights were book solid!
I really appreciate your guidance and assistance on this information.Both of my legs were on A-380's (do love that top deck), and both were packed, at least in economy (aka "My people").
One last FANTASTIC advantage of Asiana is their entertainment choices (and I'm not talking about the strolling stews). Typical seatback screens in economy, but check out the Korean movies. I'm a BIG fan of Korean TV series and Korean movies. Brilliant writing. I can't sleep on flights these days, but the Korean movies keep me entertained for the FULL flight. They provide a short written (English) abstract of the movie (English subtitles, I bring my glasses). I use my own headphones (one prong) along with the adapter for connecting to a plane's entertainment (2 prongs).
What are the odds I could find a doctor in Bangkok that I could bribe to get me a yellow fever exemption? Going to be visiting Nairobi for a bit where there's virtually no risk of yellow fever, but Thailand still requires a yellow fever vaccine certificate. Would like to throw some baht at the problem and be on my way. Should I just find a doctor out in the Issan region?
HorseTrader
01-14-23, 05:03
What you are saying is there isn't much mongering outside of the specialized mongering sites (Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket, etc). In real life, Thai bars do have ladies, but for drinks only. Ladies don't go with Thai customers in the bar. If they want to go, arrangements will be made. Sometimes a bargirl will become a mia noi for a customer, which takes her off the market.That is more-or-less what I'm saying. I have managed to get laid at massage places far away from tourist areas, but there were few choices and no hotties. I'm not a bar type of person (I'll drink water), but there were a couple times where 1 or 2 girls seemed available in restaurants away from tourist zones.
Hi friends,
Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.
Cheers!
Hi friends,
Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.
Cheers!Just ask any bargirl to bring a friend for that but make sure she does not bring a chick with a dick! And discuss beforehand what they will both be doing during your session so you do not get robbed.
Hi friends,
Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.
Cheers!Short answer: Tulip.
I see a lot of Western men in Bangkok age 50-65 with Thai girls age 20-25, walking in malls, eating in restaurants, talking a lot.
Is this a super long? How much does it cost then?
Or they really have built relations?
What are the odds I could find a doctor in Bangkok that I could bribe to get me a yellow fever exemption? Going to be visiting Nairobi for a bit where there's virtually no risk of yellow fever, but Thailand still requires a yellow fever vaccine certificate. Would like to throw some baht at the problem and be on my way. Should I just find a doctor out in the Issan region?What's the issue with getting vaccinated? May be cheaper.
Explorer8939
01-14-23, 12:49
What are the odds I could find a doctor in Bangkok that I could bribe to get me a yellow fever exemption? Going to be visiting Nairobi for a bit where there's virtually no risk of yellow fever, but Thailand still requires a yellow fever vaccine certificate. Would like to throw some baht at the problem and be on my way. Should I just find a doctor out in the Issan region?I went to Ethiopia last month, no certificate. Upon my return, I had to get a form in the airport. No big deal.
What's the issue with getting vaccinated? May be cheaper.Side effects. They don't recommend it (unless you go to a really affected area) if you are over 60.
Colombia requires it if you come from Brazil. I guess Thailand requires it if you come from some of the African countries.
Side effects. They don't recommend it (unless you go to a really affected area) if you are over 60.
Colombia requires it if you come from Brazil. I guess Thailand requires it if you come from some of the African countries.I got the Stamaril vaccine back in 2021 when I was 66. It is good for 10 years so I doubt I'll need another. I got it as Costa Rica required it if you were flying in from Colombia. No issues not even any soreness. I know side effects will vary from person to person but I would not want to get caught with fraudulent travel documentation. I would rather risk the side effects than the possibility of a Thai lockup.
Thanks bro.
Just ask any bargirl to bring a friend for that but make sure she does not bring a chick with a dick! And discuss beforehand what they will both be doing during your session so you do not get robbed.
Thanks bro.
Short answer: Tulip.
Both of my legs were on A-380's (do love that top deck), and both were packed, at least in economy (aka "My people").
One last FANTASTIC advantage of Asiana is their entertainment choices (and I'm not talking about the strolling stews). Typical seatback screens in economy, but check out the Korean movies. I'm a BIG fan of Korean TV series and Korean movies. Brilliant writing. I can't sleep on flights these days, but the Korean movies keep me entertained for the FULL flight. They provide a short written (English) abstract of the movie (English subtitles, I bring my glasses). I use my own headphones (one prong) along with the adapter for connecting to a plane's entertainment (2 prongs).How are the English language selections on the Asiana flights? I don't go to the movies now days and watch most of the "current" movies on airlines. Most of the time I just read a book or listen to my music collection! Being old, I fall a sleep easily on the flights in the past, but now I have to get the circulation moving by standing and stretching. Once on the plane, I can zone out rather quickly.
Does anyone know how the new restaurants are on Soi 11? I see that there is a new Jamacian restaurant and a Moon Muum restaurant near Oskar. My favorite Mexican restaurant next to Oskar is now gone and replaced by a night club. Any other new restaurants on Soi 11? I was wondering how the food was in these new dining options. I am happy that the German Beerhouse up the street is still there as I enjoy eating there a couple of times while visiting BKK.
Additionally, I enjoy a cigar occasionally while on vacation and was wondering if there were any locations near Soi 11 that will allow smoking them. I noticed that the MJ dealers are dealing right on the street out of vans all over the city, so I hope people will be more tolerant of my cigars!
Thanks for any assistance and advice!
Hi friends,
Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.
Cheers!As already said: Tulip.
But the most important thing: be clear what you want. Don't be shy. Say it. Directly. Be clear. The girls will do whatever you want. If you want them to do lesbian, make sure to say so, if you want a position or anything, say so. Whatever your threesome fantasies or just whatever you feel at the time is available, but the girls will just do their thing unless you say otherwise, and again its OK to say otherwise and they fully expect you to say what you want.
How are the English language selections on the Asiana flights? I don't go to the movies now days and watch most of the "current" movies on airlines. Most of the time I just read a book or listen to my music collection! Being old, I fall a sleep easily on the flights in the past, but now I have to get the circulation moving by standing and stretching. Once on the plane, I can zone out rather quickly.Downloaded list here.
https://flyasiana.com/C/US/EN/contents/contents
Hi friends,
Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.
Cheers!I've had quite recent 3 some success at LaBelle and Poseidon. I only ever had two really good 3 somes. One at GoldenTime in Vienna and one at FKK Palace in Frankfurt. I also had a really good 3 girls+me hour with 3 girls in Denmark. Thinking of it I had a good 3 some in Geneva as well. And a few more. Anyway: Don't expect too much. Still, I understand the temptation. I have only one left on my bucket list: twins. Or triplets (.
I see a lot of Western men in Bangkok age 50-65 with Thai girls age 20-25, walking in malls, eating in restaurants, talking a lot.
Is this a super long? How much does it cost then?
Or they really have built relations?Where is your head? What kind of place do you think BKK is? They are all fathers out with their daughters, mom back home cooking and cleaning. Cost is a lifetime of support.
Or maybe the men are super long?
Actually, the only requirement is, as you say, talking a lot.
Does anyone know how the new restaurants are on Soi 11? I see that there is a new Jamacian restaurant and a Moon Muum restaurant near Oskar. My favorite Mexican restaurant next to Oskar is now gone and replaced by a night club. Any other new restaurants on Soi 11? I was wondering how the food was in these new dining options. I am happy that the German Beerhouse up the street is still there as I enjoy eating there a couple of times while visiting BKK.
Additionally, I enjoy a cigar occasionally while on vacation and was wondering if there were any locations near Soi 11 that will allow smoking them. I noticed that the MJ dealers are dealing right on the street out of vans all over the city, so I hope people will be more tolerant of my cigars!
Thanks for any assistance and advice!I came across a place deep inside soi11 called Havana Social. Its a hidden bar with so signage, an obscure door. Excellent rums and ofcourse cigars from all over. Some very expensive. You can search the place on google.
What's the issue with getting vaccinated? May be cheaper.Don't want to really risk losing limited vacation time to side effects when the area in question has nearly no risk of yellow fever.
The Kaiser
01-15-23, 04:39
Maybe it's just me, but the only thing I notice when sitting on the couch getting a BJ is the top of the head bobbing up and down, and tops look the same to me. If it helps, Meet the World dims the lights when the deck is cleared for action ... World also serves BJ's in bar; FS if you choose but I availed myself of the bed in the alcove, curtains drawn for the FS. If you still need some distractions, then ring the bell and be treated to a swarm, you'll have a face full of boobs or more heads bobbing below your chin as they tongue your nipples.
You are. Remember, it's BUSINESS. Yes, you can have fun, a LOT of fun, but the bottom line is, you're looking to sign a contract as is she. If you can agree, fine. If not, as Yul Brynner told Eli Wallach in The Magnificent Seven, "Ride on" .
All benefit, newbees and veterans, different set of eyes, different places visited.
Crap, I'm happy with a new temple ... .Meet the world sounds worth a visit for sure. Honestly, I have no idea how I'll like the experience, but there's only one way to find out.
You were definitely right about Soi cowboy. It wasn't any where near what I was expecting. Thanks for the push, I hope a full report will suffice as my payment. Too much to do today so that will have to wait.
Well, my take is if you've seen one temple, you've seen them all. I'm not one for the standard tourist attractions, they've always felt dead and lifeless. Food, activities and now X-rated indulgences are more my speed. Plus being a good 2-3 decades younger than some of the veterans on here, so I just want to retain my 'hansum' status.
The Kaiser
01-15-23, 04:46
Hi friends,
Please recommend a good place for fulfilling my long last fantasy of a threesome.
Cheers!Any massage parlor that has 4 hands massage with full service. That said, there's more to a good experience than just having 2 girls. My experience was a little disappointing, but it made me understand what it is I want from a threesome. If you know exactly what you want, it will be easier to arrange.
I see a lot of Western men in Bangkok age 50-65 with Thai girls age 20-25, walking in malls, eating in restaurants, talking a lot.
Is this a super long? How much does it cost then?
Or they really have built relations?They might be friends, girlfriends, sugar babies, or perhaps products of mongering from decades past.
How are the English language selections on the Asiana flights? I don't go to the movies now days and watch most of the "current" movies on airlines. Most of the time I just read a book or listen to my music collection! Being old, I fall a sleep easily on the flights in the past, but now I have to get the circulation moving by standing and stretching. Once on the plane, I can zone out rather quickly.Quite an extensive selection, Hollywood plus Classics, Casablanca when I flew in November. My complaint with a number of Hollywood "airline" movies is the disclaimer "Movie has been edited ...".
Link here, accurate depending on when your flight is:
https://flyasiana.com/C/US/EN/contents/contents
The link is a pdf file, attached.
I will also say, definitely check out the Korean movies. I really enjoyed Run-Off, older movie, 2016, but VERY entertaining, Korea's first female Olympic Ice Hockey team. Like the first Rocky, but for team sports, predictable but nicely written. Hey, I was cheering for them by the end .... Some of the movies can be quite surprising. I saw I Can Speak on an Asiana flight several years ago and was stunned, brilliant movie, made a left turn I did NOT see coming, not something you'd expect for an airline movie.
I am here now just around the corner from Soi11 on Soi 13. There is a new restaurant on Soi 11 called Wine Connection, which also has a similar restaurant in Pattaya. I ate at Oskars last night and had the smoked salmon and anchovies / bacon salad and a glass of Argentine wine for $20 with tax.
Charlie Brown, formerly of Soi 11, is now located off Soi 19. I had a pretty good enchilada dish there last Sunday. There are several Italian and sushi restaurants on Soi 31, which is about a 20 minute walk or less with a Grab car. I don't think Soi 11 is the best place to find good cuisine overall and recommend you look a bit off from those locales like Soi 31. Soi 8 has Monsoon, not new but consistent food-service. I also like the German restaurant next to Trendy on Soi 13.
To be honest, I am finding the choices here on balance in this area to be drab and uninspiring. Like there is no motivation for the owners to improve.
Does anyone know how the new restaurants are on Soi 11? I see that there is a new Jamacian restaurant and a Moon Muum restaurant near Oskar. My favorite Mexican restaurant next to Oskar is now gone and replaced by a night club. Any other new restaurants on Soi 11? I was wondering how the food was in these new dining options. I am happy that the German Beerhouse up the street is still there as I enjoy eating there a couple of times while visiting BKK.
Additionally, I enjoy a cigar occasionally while on vacation and was wondering if there were any locations near Soi 11 that will allow smoking them. I noticed that the MJ dealers are dealing right on the street out of vans all over the city, so I hope people will be more tolerant of my cigars!
Thanks for any assistance and advice!
The Kaiser
01-15-23, 12:51
6 Jan
My last report ended with me contemplating hitting a soapy, which is what I did. I decided on Poseidon, which has a rather grand entrance that lead you to a fish bowl. I was offered a drink and then explained their rather complex pricing system, which had a bunch of different letters. I decided to just ask about the girls that caught my eye instead of trying to understand this algebra problem on my own. I quite liked the fish bowl experience where the girls are sitting somewhat comfortably and there's less pressure than the line up at a massage parlor. I followed my standard system of glancing across slowly looking for that flirtatious eye contact. I spent a couple minutes, just to check for consistency. Having made my decision, I was directed to what looked like a ticketing booth where I was asked to pay; the girl was an 'S' - 6 k. They told me they'd bring my beer up to the room.
The girl was very happy that I picked her, even gloating to her friend who responded with a middle finger. It was amusing and her energy was infectious. We spent a little while chatting while I finished my beer and ordered another to share with her. Spent a little time in the jacuzzi before she asked me to go to the bed. She is the hottest woman I've been with guaranteed, but her performance made for a really bad audition. Her acting was exaggerated and loud and her movements felt uncoordinated and lacked rhythm. The whole thing was so distracting that I wasn't sure I'd be able to maintain my turgor let alone finish. I had to block out the noise and just focus on how hot she was. Once we were dressed, she returned to her seat in the fish bowl and I took a seat at a table to finish my beer while waiting for my Grab taxi.
*Total Damages = 6140 - S girl + 2 Singha.
Off to The PIMP to continue celebrating my success. Walking in with a suit turned almost every head in the live zone, probably just because it's unusual and not because I looked good or anything. Mamasan recognized me from my last visit and I asked for my girl from last time and let her pick a friend. VIP rooms have a 1 bottle minimum and you cannot opt for a tower of beer instead. Mamasan returned with my company for the evening. My girl was a ton of fun just like the last time, her friend was a bit of a wet blanket in comparison. She was a bikini girl which was a rank higher than my girl who was PR. There was a lot of drinking, dancing, karaoke and a sprinkling of rock, paper, scissors and dice games. The bikini girl had strong hands and my legs and shoulders were very happy. The girls led me out to the live zone a couple of times for the shows. This was 'Milk Day' and all the girls were cows. One of the shows had the dancer showered with milk. My girl was stressed out about something and apologized for being a downer. I offered to let her stay in my hotel room and she happily accepted. A little bit of fingering and some DATY between the rest of the fun, shots and making out made for a great night. The bikini girl brought up that I should pay 1 k to take off my girl's bra, but I didn't bite since I knew I could charm it off in a little while, which I did. I think the bikini girl may have felt like a third wheel for most of the night. Since I got almost black out drunk last time, I decided against full tequila shots. My girl got too drunk too, so when the topic of shots was brought up, I got half a shot for me, half a shot for my girl and a full shot for the bikini girl. This half shot trick is something I intend to incorporate into all my debaucherous nights so go easy on my liver and easy on my wallet. Mamasan decided to have me sign each bill so that there would be no confusion when it came time to settle the bill, but at 28,990 the whole night was a helluva lot more expensive than I had planned. I wasn't expecting a bar fine, but mamasan said I'd have to pay 1 k to take my girl. I emptied whatever cash I had brought with me and tried to pay the rest by card, but no dice. Since all my other cards were in my hotel room, mamasan suggested she come with me and collect the cash. She flagged down a taxi and we even got stopped at a police checkpoint. I'm not sure what it was they were looking for for, but they got us all out of the taxi and gave us a cursory look. I was all smiles playing the happy, tipsy tourist till I got back in the cab.
Back in my room, both mamasan and my girl immediately went for my weighing scale while I grabbed my other wallet. My cards were being all sorts of dodgy and I think I might have underpaid by 500 or so, but mamasan let it slide. She told me to give my girl a tip with a pained smile as she left. I headed back up to my room to find my girl fast asleep snuggled under the covers. Not wanting to wake her, I quietly undressed and got ready for bed. Giving her a gentle kiss once I was in bed, she reciprocated and I realized she was more awake than I thought. She wasn't shy at all and even cleaned me up with her mouth after I finished. We went for another round while we were both half awake and fell back to sleep. She left the next day at 2:30 PM and only asked for taxi fare.
*Total Damages = 29,990 + 500.
7 Jan
All day spent basking in the afterglow.
8 Jan
Decided to try a cute Sideline Freelancer today. Nong Fiko looked 90% like her photos, but was a little annoyed. Perhaps it was because I was late for our appointment, but I was hoping my charm could turn that around. She asked for payment first and made me turned around so that I didn't see her safe combination. I didn't have change and neither did she, so she just casually told me that it was a tip. She was a very confident woman who was very comfortable taking charge. She led me to the shower before riding me pretty hard. She said she liked them big and although I wasn't as big as one of her Brazilian clients, I wasn't too shabby. With great BJ skills too, this was clearly a woman who obviously enjoyed the work. CIM was extra, so I decided to make her work for that tip.
*Total Damages = 2300 - 60 minutes /2 shots - 1 in the kisser.
9 Jan
I cannot for the life of me remember where I went before dinner and can't find any record, so your guess is as good as mine.
10 Jan
Tried to build on my Sideline success, with another foray. I think I've gotten a little better at ignoring the more heavily touched up photos, but old photos and other camera tricks are a lot more difficult. Nikki was the lucky lady for the day. I was greeted in a barely there negligee and a thong; definitely one way to make an impression! She was probably around 80% of what her photos would make one expect. The difference was primarily the work she had done on her face; lip fillers and waaaaaay too much botox. She remarked I was handsome as most have, but her slight insecurity made it more believable than ever other time I've heard that line. She started the timer as soon as I entered, which worried me a little. She dimmed the lights, using the excuse of sudden shyness brought on by my good looks. I didn't mind since that would make her face less distracting. She had blue fairy lights strung along the head board and the glow that reflected off her face made for a surreal visual akin to something out of a music video. Great BJ and riding skills; she even had a pretty tattoo across her lower abdomen. She was happy to have me finish in her mouth, but only the first time. My quantity, especially the first round, tends to be a little overwhelming for some. She was impressed by my "professional sex" of 19 minutes and I found it interesting that she was surprised a tourist knew of the website, for which I am grateful to the mongers who came before me (pun intended).
*Total Damages = 1900 - 90 minutes - 2 shots, 1 in the mouth.
11 Jan
Feeling a little lazy and tired, so I decided to go to a massage parlor which takes a lot less effort. 101 Premier Massage was still not struck out from my list. I called for the lineup and I was initially interested in the second girl who came out. More and more girls kept trickling in, so my greed didn't want me to make my choice early. Once they were all out, I glanced across a couple times. Their staff made for a difficult choice. I think the reviews I had read for this establishment may have been a little dated. Pink hair caught my eye and the girl looked kinda cute, so I picked her. Tori led me to a shower room and I finally got a better look at her face. I slowly began to realize my error in judgment. With the poor lighting, her standing far away and my impatience, I had failed to notice her age. She was at least 10 years older than I had guessed when I had selected her. Her pretty hair did a great job of hiding it and now that we were already in the room, I had absolutely no idea how to back out. It felt far too rude, and what made it worse is when selecting how long I picked 90 minutes instead of 60 since it was only 100 baht more and I didn't want to rush. She looked like she was spacing out when I asked her name in the line up, which I foolishly ignored. One would assume that her age and experience in the business would mean her skills were more polished, but that was far from the truth. The whole experience was a lesson in the value of a sure a thorough decision.
*Total Damages = 2300 - 90 minutes - 2 shots, 1 painful lesson.
13 Jan
After procrastinating for a while, I finally headed out to Soi Cowboy. I wanted to grab a bite beforehand, but I had no idea most of the restaurants near Emquartier would be shut by 9:30. I decided to find a place to eat there instead. I got off at Asok and waiting for the crosswalk had me sweating bullets. As I entered the glittering avenue, I noticed that there was a striking disparity between the various establishments. Some of them were literally overflowing with people, while others looked barren. The emptier bars had more girls in front, probably as a means of advertising. They were even physically pulling on some of their potential victims. I was overwhelmed by the selection and my initial plan of feeling the vibe of each place before was not as simple as I had anticipated. Not knowing what to do, I decided to go by reputation instead and walked into Baccara. Since the second floor was supposedly better, I didn't bother giving the ground floor much more than a quick glance.
The entire place was packed! Not a single empty couch, but I managed to find a single barstool and got myself a Singha. Having never even been to a strip club, I wasn't sure what to expect of the entire experience, so I decided to just observe for a while in the sweet respite the A / see provided from the sweltering street. To call the girls dancers would be a poor use of the word, they were simply present to be put on display for men to ogle at, and ogle they did. As they gently swayed back and forth, some were on the edges of their seats drinking in the scene of so many topless women. Others were assessing the wares on display, like any sort of meat market. At first it felt a little degrading to the ladies, but upon reflection I understood that this simply the nature of any transaction. The entire place was a well oiled machine. Shots loaded into trays, managers scurrying about serving customers, collecting payment, scantily clad ladies charming men into buying them drinks and not wasting any time getting them. There must have been a couple of girls who found the sight of me wolfing down a plate of stir fried beef amusing though. Having settled into the place and understanding its workings, I decided to settle my bill and move to a recently emptied couch by the stage. A couple minutes later, I was instructed that it had not been emptied, but my barstool was no longer available. One of the managers pointed me to a corner and I waited for all of 5 minutes before realizing that I clearly wasn't worth their time. There was a cutie who caught my eye and brushed my leg each time she walked over to the bar, but alas, today was not her day. I did have to refuse 3 other ladies since they weren't my type. Fortunately viewing the drink as a negotiation made that a lot easier to navigate and I only have the wisdom of this forum to thank for it.
As I walked back out into the street unsure of where to head to next, I was invited for a drink to one of the bars. Since I knew I would be obliged to share that drink with her, I refused. I didn't take 2 steps before I received a similar offer, this time much less aggressively and from a much cuter drinking partner. I went into Jungle Jim's and there were all of 4 other people in the almost deserted bar. Pleio was a little nervous and shy, which I found endearing. I teased that she was only drinking coke and she suggested a couple of Tequila shots. I decided to use my half a shot trick, licking the salt off of each other's hands as a gentle means of making her more comfortable with touch and gauging her reaction. She had to get on stage and I danced in front of it for a little while before proceeding to the bathroom. I crossed a more mature woman bent over, having a man plucking her instrument from behind. When I got back, Pleio's overweight "sister" had joined us. I scrolled my phone waiting for her to finish her designated 5 songs. Her English was very limited, and I didn't know if communicating through Google translate was effective. I just asked the mamasan what the barfine was, dropped 700 baht and escorted my kitten out into the night. While waiting for my grab taxi, another taxi offered to take us. I had to get him down to half his initial price, before getting in. She was still quite nervous when we were along on my bed and since she had recently moved here from Isan, I figured she must be fairly new. After going at it for a while, it started to get a little dry so bareback it was. Alternating between pussy and mouth till I finally finished. In her mouth because she did not want a baby. Expecting she'd stay the night, I was surprised when she told me she had to pick her sister up at 2 since she didn't have a key.
*Total Damages = 5200 - 3 k ST, 700 BF, and rest on beef and beer.
14 Jan
Unhappy with my first foray to Soi Cowboy, I decided to take another crack at it. Baccara clearly wasn't for me, or perhaps I should just pick a time when there aren't nearly as many people there. Today's destination was Suzy Wong. Getting off the BTS, I realized that there was a walkway that didn't require me to wait for the crosswalk and being elevated over empty highway. The breeze certainly helped blow away some of the sweat dripping from my brow and arms. Emboldened by the accidental success of my previous visit, I decided to allow my gaze to wander. Something the vultures instantly noticed. Deja Vu had a particular aggressive committee of black bikinis. The lady who literally got a hold of me refused to take no for an answer, not listening to my say that I would return. Perhaps that wasn't firm enough a refusal, because another woman came as backup. Watching a struggling calf to the slaughter, a third descended and physically pushed me into the bar. There were a few girls on stage and it didn't seem like a terrible place, but knowing that I would have to buy my aggressor a lady drink meant that I could not sit down here. Not only was she not my type, but resorting to force rubbed me the wrong way. She even resorted to swaying in front of me fondling my crotch, physically blocking my exit. Men weaker in either will or strength will most certainly fall into her clutches, so be warned. It was a shame because as I finally wriggled my way out, I caught sight of a girl who I quite liked. I couldn't even take a proper look at her since this bleeding calf had to run for his life! As I left, I saw another lamb fighting off a different set of carnivores. I made sure to stay out of range, which allowed me to narrowly escape the talons of another hungry hawk.
I watched off some of the sweat in the bathroom, grabbed a beer and cooled down while getting a feel for Suzy Wong. It was much less busy here and the ratio of girls to punters was a lot better. It was only a few minutes before I grabbed a table. Flagging down a mamasan for a lady was not as easy. When I finally did make my choice, it turns out she had already been accounted for by the gentleman sitting right next to me. Fortunately I had a backup in mind who was led off the stage dressed in a lacy bikini that was more lingerie than it was swimsuit. I waved her over and the mamasan whom I suspected was in charge asked for a drink and I obliged to build some goodwill. When she Bada joined me holding an orange juice, another mamasan asked me for a drink. I made a show of my reluctance, but since she was manning this section, I decided it would be worth it. No sooner had I paid for this round of 4 drinks, I had yet another mamasan asking me to buy her a drink. It was ridiculous at this point. To the veterans, is this sort of thing normal? I don't really think more than 1 mamasan drink is called for. I went ham refusing this third request and then I even passed one of the other 2 drinks to her to get her off of my back. This entire time, Bada was just quietly massaging me. From the 2 or 3 minutes of eye contact, light grazes and sensing her sense of rhythm as she moved to the beat, I decided to waste no more time fending off the mama sans. I asked to pay the bar fine of 700 and was told ST was 3 k. I don't think she was expecting LT, but asked for 6 k. I called for a grab from the intersection and led her to the elevators. She seemed a little awestruck by the hotel as we walked to the lift lobby. Upon reaching my room, she too was distracted by my weighing scale. I was far more surprised by the reading on the scale at 39 kg and when she took off her slippers, I realized how little she was. She was definitely the smallest girl I have ever been with. During DATY, I noticed she was shaved. Resurfacing, she insisted on a condom, but like clockwork the field started to get too dry to play. She came prepared with a sachet of lube, but after reapplying it 4 times, she too realized it would be simpler without. Unfortunately, the look of disgust on her face when I brought up finishing in her mouth meant that even though the rest of my journey would be a lot more pleasant, the destination probably would not be. After finishing, I watched her scroll TikTok till she was ready to sleep. After some tossing and turning, we went for another round before finally nodding off. I had her another time in the morning, before she was finally starting shifting about at 7 ish. She said it was time for her to go, which meant a final round for the road. I was far too awake to go back to bed, so after some breakfast in the hotel, I decided to process this week's extracurricular activities and share with those that may be enlightened or simply entertained by my ramblings. This one took a lot longer than I expected, since it's already dark and I have not decided what to do with the little time left of the day. For my last week here, I might be better off doing daily reports or perhaps just save it for the flight home.
I feel like I need a proper conclusion signing off, but fuck it, fuck you, and happy fucking!
The Kaiser
01-15-23, 12:54
I am here now just around the corner from Soi11 on Soi 13. There is a new restaurant on Soi 11 called Wine Connection, which also has a similar restaurant in Pattaya. I ate at Oskars last night and had the smoked salmon and anchovies / bacon salad and a glass of Argentine wine for $20 with tax.
Charlie Brown, formerly of Soi 11, is now located off Soi 19. I had a pretty good enchilada dish there last Sunday. There are several Italian and sushi restaurants on Soi 31, which is about a 20 minute walk or less with a Grab car. I don't think Soi 11 is the best place to find good cuisine overall and recommend you look a bit off from those locales like Soi 31. Soi 8 has Monsoon, not new but consistent food-service. I also like the German restaurant next to Trendy on Soi 13.
To be honest, I am finding the choices here on balance in this area to be drab and uninspiring. Like there is no motivation for the owners to improve.I'm surprised by the lack of more local cuisine on this list, but to each their own I guess.
For cigars (and rum) you have Havana Social on a short sideroad to Soi 11.
Does anyone know how the new restaurants are on Soi 11? I see that there is a new Jamacian restaurant and a Moon Muum restaurant near Oskar. My favorite Mexican restaurant next to Oskar is now gone and replaced by a night club. Any other new restaurants on Soi 11? I was wondering how the food was in these new dining options. I am happy that the German Beerhouse up the street is still there as I enjoy eating there a couple of times while visiting BKK.
Additionally, I enjoy a cigar occasionally while on vacation and was wondering if there were any locations near Soi 11 that will allow smoking them. I noticed that the MJ dealers are dealing right on the street out of vans all over the city, so I hope people will be more tolerant of my cigars!
Thanks for any assistance and advice!
AlwaysHorny 2
01-15-23, 14:15
Reluctantly joined Thai Friendly yesterday to prepare ahead for my month + trip. Trip one week from now starting in Bangkok.
I do RTFF and I've noticed varying degrees of success, but in general appears to be a lot of work for low quality results. The main thing that pisses me off is the women that actually like ME! Jeez, is this my level? LOL Old, ugly, and fat?
To be honest, I have hearted a good list of younger women 22-32 that I'll eventually reach out to and start some communication. However, I don't think I'll be wasting a whole lot of time on the app and just get my boots to walking. I'm not really a fan of straight p4 p. Far from a cheap charlie, I just like to pretend that they actually like me and not my money. Plus, the thought of being with a woman who've been with 5/6 guys before doesn't get the Junior excited.
I've adjusted my expectations to feeling like I made a donation to TF. Anything more than that will be a win.
Thank you for the tip.
As already said: Tulip.
But the most important thing: be clear what you want. Don't be shy. Say it. Directly. Be clear. The girls will do whatever you want. If you want them to do lesbian, make sure to say so, if you want a position or anything, say so. Whatever your threesome fantasies or just whatever you feel at the time is available, but the girls will just do their thing unless you say otherwise, and again its OK to say otherwise and they fully expect you to say what you want.
MamaGuevos
01-15-23, 17:52
What are the odds I could find a doctor in Bangkok that I could bribe to get me a yellow fever exemption? Going to be visiting Nairobi for a bit where there's virtually no risk of yellow fever, but Thailand still requires a yellow fever vaccine certificate. Would like to throw some baht at the problem and be on my way. Should I just find a doctor out in the Issan region?I always carry proof of my YF vaccine. The Thai immigration authorities have never asked to see my International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis (ICVP). According to the CDC web site, it is not required to enter Thailand. In contrast, I have been to Kenya three times, and they have always asked to see my ICVP.
6 Jan
The girl was very happy that I picked her, even gloating to her friend who responded with a middle finger. It was amusing and her energy was infectious. We spent a little while chatting while I finished my beer and ordered another to share with her. Spent a little time in the jacuzzi before she asked me to go to the bed. She is the hottest woman I've been with guaranteed, but her performance made for a really bad audition. Her acting was exaggerated and loud and her movements felt uncoordinated and lacked rhythm. The whole thing was so distracting that I wasn't sure I'd be able to maintain my turgor let alone finish. I had to block out the noise and just focus on how hot she was. Once we were dressed, she returned to her seat in the fish bowl and I took a seat at a table to finish my beer while waiting for my Grab taxi.
Excellent reports. I had the same problem with exaggeration from all the girls at the BJ bar with the rude receptionist (7-heaven), but it seems to work just telling them this is not a sex movie and
they don't need to make those sounds. I'm guessing it's favoured by the japanese customers, as the few glimpses of japanese porn I've managed to bare have all been full of similar annoying sounds.
Steve 9696
01-15-23, 23:32
Great report Kaiser. Def Report of Distinction nominee! I concur with the Deja Vu experience. I tried several bars and had luck at Sharks but st Deja Vu they def tried to overcharge me and rip me off. Got out as fast as I could. Apparently this is one of the bars owned by "the Arab" who is well known for trying to fleece his patrons.
Lucky Nuts
01-16-23, 00:55
Because many have found other jobs in the past 3 years and don't want to go back to the bar scene.Hey I'm just now catching up here.
So my response, although a few days late, is that new money hungry girls are turning 18 (or whatever the Thai legal age) every day. So where are they? They haven't heard where the easy money is at due to the covid interruption of a couple years? It really makes no sense to me that girls are not back if the money is back. I'll be seeing for myself in a couple days.
Lucky Nuts
01-16-23, 01:04
You're not naive but just doing the right thing. Do unto others as they do unto you. Schwab does us right.About 5 years ago I got out of control at Spearmint Rhino in Vegas and needed to do an ATM pull with my Schwab card. They got hit with like a $40 ATM service fee. I honestly felt terrible about it and made sure it never happened again.
Lucky Nuts
01-16-23, 01:18
Maybe I'm just not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do want to pass out a warning to drunk or jet-lagged ATM users in Thailand.
Four trips since 2018, spent over a year in Thailand, and I still leave my ATM card in the machine. Twice, so far. My regular US ATM always gives me my card back before I get the money while it's making a loud beeping noise with flashing lights reminding me to get it.
In Thailand, they give you the money first, the card after you finalize the transaction. In fairness, you get the same loud 'hey don't forget your card idiot' tone after you get the money, but the first time it happened I was way too drunk and had already stumbled down the road and didn't notice the machine screaming at me. Fortunately, I was leaving in a few days and had my backup. I thought I learned my lesson until I did it again my first day in BKK last summer when I was trying to stay awake to adjust to the time difference. Damn! I have to second the Schwab recommendation since they sent me a card in less than a week at no charge. So remember, take your money then wait for the card. Do as I say, not as I do.
Getting a local bank account this time since I'm now spending half my time there.Thanks for the reminder StJohn. Done it there myself in the afternoon not even drunk. Just so used to getting the cash last. Need to remember card is more important than cash 555!
Lucky Nuts
01-16-23, 01:22
I have been in BKK for a few days. Of course, it's getting worse and if you're demanding, you have to work a bit, but it's still a place where you can get everything you want. Starting with the perfect teenager 3000/3 min. Suitable only for groping and kicking ass, through slightly older options, but offering perfect GFE, where sometimes a conversation is not worse than sex (old age is not joy and all for very reasonable money, and ending with a pleasant and cuddly candidate for wife, a student from the suburbs, who will still consider the farang a man of a better category.Huh? Whatcha talkin' bout Willis?
Lucky Nuts
01-16-23, 01:47
6 Jan
I feel like I need a proper conclusion signing off, but fuck it, fuck you, and happy fucking!Kaiser your reports have been so raw, real and hilarious! Thanks for taking the time to share with us like minded gentlemen.
When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?
Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.
I am in Bangkok at the moment and have been debating whether its worth my while (time and money) to join. The same thing you are experiencing I believe that I will see that as well. I am not a member of Thai Cupid but somewhere along the way my profile was featured there and I am constantly beset by older and mostly unattractive Thai women who are also not paying members. A total waste of time. I know that some girls you can only see if you a paid member of TF but then.
Everyone else is pursuing them as well. It seems to me TF is overpriced for what you get. Let us know if you join whether it was worth it.
Reluctantly joined Thai Friendly yesterday to prepare ahead for my month + trip. Trip one week from now starting in Bangkok.
I do RTFF and I've noticed varying degrees of success, but in general appears to be a lot of work for low quality results. The main thing that pisses me off is the women that actually like ME! Jeez, is this my level? LOL Old, ugly, and fat?
To be honest, I have hearted a good list of younger women 22-32 that I'll eventually reach out to and start some communication. However, I don't think I'll be wasting a whole lot of time on the app and just get my boots to walking. I'm not really a fan of straight p4 p. Far from a cheap charlie, I just like to pretend that they actually like me and not my money. Plus, the thought of being with a woman who've been with 5/6 guys before doesn't get the Junior excited.
I've adjusted my expectations to feeling like I made a donation to TF. Anything more than that will be a win.
I am in Bangkok at the moment and have been debating whether its worth my while (time and money) to join. The same thing you are experiencing I believe that I will see that as well. I am not a member of Thai Cupid but somewhere along the way my profile was featured there and I am constantly beset by older and mostly unattractive Thai women who are also not paying members. A total waste of time. I know that some girls you can only see if you a paid member of TF but then.
Everyone else is pursuing them as well. It seems to me TF is overpriced for what you get. Let us know if you join whether it was worth it.I am in BKK too. I think we are somewhere closeby. I came to bkk on Jan 9th, stayed 3 days here, then Pattaya 3 days, them back here yesterday for 4 more days.
I joined TF on Dec 22nd with premium. My conclusions:
Its a hit and miss. Hit 1, miss 100.2. Its difficult to get eyeballs of younger prettier women. As said, many are older, uglier and not from BKK, but would like you without reading your profile. Those who do like you and match may not even read your message and if they do, may not reply.
I had 2 average successes, ST, both 1500,1 each in bkk and pattaya.
Many prettier 30's ladies on jobs inspite of saying my intentions clearly, keep asking the same questions everyday morning between 10-11 am. Block them eventually.
Conclusion: Waste of money and time for short time visitors.
FarmerBoy45
01-16-23, 07:41
6 Jan
I cannot for the life of me remember where I went before dinner and can't find any record, so your guess is as good as mine.
!One night in Bangkok! Thank you for the detailed post!
The Kaiser
01-16-23, 09:23
just telling them this is not a sex movie and
they don't need to make those sounds. I'm guessing it's favoured by the japanese customers, as the few glimpses of japanese porn I've managed to bare have all been full of similar annoying sounds.JAVs do have some unecessarily noisy talent, but I think it's to flatter the patrons. I on the other hand, would prefer a dead fish. I'm confident enough with my performance, so honest reactions help me gauge how to adjust. I'm probably not going to bother with soapies again.
Also I cannot think of a way to tell someone "this isn't a bad porno" without coming off as rude. I try to choose my words carefully when in such a vulnerable situation. I DO NOT want them to be tempted to bite.
Great report Kaiser. Def Report of Distinction nominee! I concur with the Deja Vu experience. I tried several bars and had luck at Sharks but st Deja Vu they def tried to overcharge me and rip me off. Got out as fast as I could. Apparently this is one of the bars owned by "the Arab" who is well known for trying to fleece his patrons.Keeping that in mind. I thought about sneaking in behind their door wranglers to take another look at the cutie that caught my eye, but I doubt it'll be worth it.
rawJust the way I like it, but not enough girls "take it fresh".
I am in Bangkok at the moment and have been debating whether its worth my while (time and money) to join. The same thing you are experiencing I believe that I will see that as well. I am not a member of Thai Cupid but somewhere along the way my profile was featured there and I am constantly beset by older and mostly unattractive Thai women who are also not paying members. A total waste of time. I know that some girls you can only see if you a paid member of TF but then.
Everyone else is pursuing them as well. It seems to me TF is overpriced for what you get. Let us know if you join whether it was worth it.I stopped after a week. I paid for a month of premium based on recommendations I'd read, but all I'm getting are edentulous grannies and cuties 200 km away. It might be a better investment in Pattaya or perhaps other places, but don't waste it for BKK. I'd suggest getting Smooci premium instead for the same price. You get a small discount on bookings, access to reviews, advance bookings and 1 HR outcalls. Even the girls with their phone numbers and line Ids on TF do not respond there. Tinder seemed to be marginally better, but I didn't pay for premium. Sideline or bar girls are a better investment of time imo.
A real word artist, you paint a great picture. The only REAL point I have I've moved up top.
Emboldened by the accidental success of my previous visit, I decided to allow my gaze to wander. Something the vultures instantly noticed. Deja Vu had a particular aggressive committee of black bikinis. The lady who literally got a hold of me refused to take no for an answer, not listening to my say that I would return. Perhaps that wasn't firm enough a refusal, because another woman came as backup. Watching a struggling calf to the slaughter, a third descended and physically pushed me into the bar. There were a few girls on stage and it didn't seem like a terrible place, but knowing that I would have to buy my aggressor a lady drink meant that I could not sit down here. Not only was she not my type, but resorting to force rubbed me the wrong way. She even resorted to swaying in front of me fondling my crotch, physically blocking my exit. Men weaker in either will or strength will most certainly fall into her clutches, so be warned. It was a shame because as I finally wriggled my way out, I caught sight of a girl who I quite liked. I couldn't even take a proper look at her since this bleeding calf had to run for his life! As I left, I saw another lamb fighting off a different set of carnivores. I made sure to stay out of range, which allowed me to narrowly escape the talons of another hungry hawk.Quite the way with words. Here are a couple more to use in these situations (I'm sure a real Thai speaker will correct my translation, but it IS the correct point):
My Pie (I don't go).
My Oww (I don't want). Oww is the sound you make when you hurt yourself.
If you want to be polite, add a "Kap" at the end of the phrase. If not, don't.
What these do is mark you as knowing what's going on, even if you don't, as in not a walkover newbee. Last visit, waiting for my ride from the airport, walked past the limo parking area. One driver offered me a ride, I just said, My Pie. All the other drivers laughed, no doubt at my pronunciation, but it got the point across, and any discussion was short circuited.
Thai is a tonal language and with my ears, why I'll never be able to speak it. But I am VERY good at TONES. I don't tolerate anyone grabbing me, to misquote Bogart, "in a number of gin joints in a number of parts of the world", even out on the street. If a local phrase doesn't work, I switch to my TONAL COMMAND VOICE English, as in, "I DON'T TOUCH YOU, DON'T TOUCH ME! In a tone that leaves NO room for ANY misunderstanding. They rely on your politeness, your newness, your acceptance. I quash that immediately. But, my experience, in Thailand, the My Pie, My Oww works as it marks you as knowing what's what, and the vultures, sharks, whatever, move on to weaker prey.
She flagged down a taxi and we even got stopped at a police checkpoint. I'm not sure what it was they were looking for for, but they got us all out of the taxi and gave us a cursory look. I was all smiles playing the happy, tipsy tourist till I got back in the cab.Can't say THESE days, but used to be looking for YaBa.
*Total Damages = 29,990 + 500.I'd say that reading your exploits brought back some old memories, but that would be a lie. You and I are different generations AND different CLASSES. But if you're having fun, more power to you. To each his own poison.
Decided to try a cute Sideline Freelancer today. Nong Fiko looked 90% like her photos, but was a little annoyed. Perhaps it was because I was late for our appointment, but I was hoping my charm could turn that around. All right you young whippersnappers ... back in MY day, BEFORE mobiles, BKK traffic, no sky train, stuck taxis, anybody was just happy somebody turned up sometime during the evening. These days, polite to send a message that you're running late. Last trip, I arrived early at an MP and since I was on time, not late, had NOT informed the lady I was on my way as I had said I would. She was waiting at home, got my message that I was there, and kept me informed of her progress towards the shop. Unnecessary, but appreciated, she is CLASS.
I had absolutely no idea how to back out. It felt far too rude, and what made it worse is when selecting how long I picked 90 minutes instead of 60 since it was only 100 baht more and I didn't want to rush.Technically, if you haven't started, you can renege, with a tip to the girl for the trouble. But it is rude (and I understand it is business. The only time I've reneged is when the girl took too long to fetch her supplies. Otherwise, I'd just take one for the team and for karma. Lessons learned, but the painful ones stay learned longer.
I waved her over and the mamasan whom I suspected was in charge asked for a drink and I obliged to build some goodwill. When she Bada joined me holding an orange juice, another mamasan asked me for a drink. I made a show of my reluctance, but since she was manning this section, I decided it would be worth it. No sooner had I paid for this round of 4 drinks, I had yet another mamasan asking me to buy her a drink. It was ridiculous at this point. To the veterans, is this sort of thing normal? I don't really think more than 1 mamasan drink is called for. I went ham refusing this third request and then I even passed one of the other 2 drinks to her to get her off of my back. It's simple, when the pack smells blood, all move in to get a taste. If you're going to be spending time in a place, yes, buying A mamasan a drink is good. But take the time to scope out which one, what the hierarchy is, not right off the bat. Just say "Sorry, NO, cannot. " It's one of those questions that's "it doesn't hurt to ask". Later on, perhaps more when you're almost ready to leave, THEN tell ONE "Thanks for your help, I'll buy you ONE "whatever the mix you want" drink. Or tell the girl what you want to do (1 mamasan, 1 drink, and ask her which one). Any others try, just repeat, "No, sorry, cannot".
To call the girls dancers would be a poor use of the word, they were simply present to be put on display for men to ogle at, and ogle they did.Once upon a time, a LONG time ago, there was a true pole dancer at Nana's GSpot. That girl was a real acrobat, and it guaranteed her a lady drink or 2 from me. I once asked her why, why did she put so much energy into it. Her reply? She really liked it, she enjoyed performing, showing her skill. Truly memorable.
Expecting she'd stay the night, I was surprised when she told me she had to pick her sister up at 2 since she didn't have a key.Ah, the ole key excuse. Perhaps not so new after all, but then, I'm a cynic. Just points out the wisdom of pay after.
Getting off the BTS, I realized that there was a walkway that didn't require me to wait for the crosswalk and being elevated over empty highway. There is a 3rd, for me, better way to Cowboy. Exit the BTS on the far left, nearest Asoke, on the Nana side. Take the escalator down to the ground, then just a couple of steps to the escalator to the MRT. But instead of turning left to the MRT, walk straight, follow the corridor, and you're on the Cowboy side of Asoke, using the underground tunnel.
Flagging down a mamasan for a lady was not as easy. When I finally did make my choice, it turns out she had already been accounted for by the gentleman sitting right next to me.Old lesson, you snooze, you loose. If you think she's THE one, others do too. Been there, done that.
After finishing, I watched her scroll TikTok till she was ready to sleep. Personally, I frown on any mobile use as it sets a bad precedent for future visits, either her or any of her friends (they do talk).
As you don't have a PM function, I'll just suggest Google Stickman Bangkok.
I'm surprised by the lack of more local cuisine on this list, but to each their own I guess.Likewise.
When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?
Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.
Going to go check out the ladies in sukhumvit 11 what's the best hotel there that is 5 stars but not too pricey, I assume they all smoking?
Maybe I'm just not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do want to pass out a warning to drunk or jet-lagged ATM users in Thailand.
Four trips since 2018, spent over a year in Thailand, and I still leave my ATM card in the machine. Twice, so far. .Twice for me too, I always warn people about this.
Later on, perhaps more when you're almost ready to leave, THEN tell ONE "Thanks for your help, I'll buy you ONE "whatever the mix you want" drink. The YOU in "whatever you want mix" is YOURSELF, NOT HER. The buyer determines which lady drink, not the recipient. Just ask the price, when the mamasan says something reasonable, agree to THAT one specifically.
When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?
Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.From my memory, high season is from November into March, cooler (which IS relative) and less rain. This past year, it was raining into December, so who knows.
As far as rain goes, like my ole DI used to say, "you're not sugar, you're not going to melt". When I was out, caught in a shower, I just took refugee someplace, bar, MP, doorway. It usually passes, or at least lessens, in an hour. Best way, take an umbrella, guaranteed it WON'T rain. Forget rain jackets, even with vents, it's so humid, you'll end up wet, either from the rain or your sweat, my experience anyway.
For those of you who want something different: when I rolled into town Monday night I was totally amazed at the number of hot girls waiting at Hooker row on Kampeng Phet 7 (I think, all the cabbies know where though) parallel to Petchaburi. Grab a cab and take your pick.
JAVs do have some unecessarily noisy talent, but I think it's to flatter the patrons. I on the other hand, would prefer a dead fish. I'm confident enough with my performance, so honest reactions help me gauge how to adjust. I'm probably not going to bother with soapies again.
Also I cannot think of a way to tell someone "this isn't a bad porno" without coming off as rude. I try to choose my words carefully when in such a vulnerable situation. I DO NOT want them to be tempted to bite.
.... Not a joke, I invested in a tiny container of clear, colorless wax earplugs from a local pharmacy. Less than 200 baht. Don't bother with the cheap foam rubber ones. They don't do much. Get the clear, "invisible" kind that quickly mold to the shape of your ear canal when you stuff them in.
I keep the container on the bedside table and can open it and stuff one in each ear fairly quickly whenever I am with someone I already know is an annoyingly noisy moaner or grunter, real or fake. I had to buy them for a particularly vocal favorite repeat, a real cutie, but whose rhythmic uh uh uh all through our fucking was just getting to be too distracting and I didn't want to cramp her style or lessen her enjoyment in any way.
Granted, you can't know if a girl will be like that on a first session. But if you have any prior intel or suspicion of it, just start the session with them already plugged in and pull them out and place them on a pre set place next to the bed if the coast is clear. None of my girls has ever noticed it in dim lighting. Maybe I am just reaching over to see if my phone charging cable is connected. Takes 2 seconds.
It doesn't block out all sound. You would still hear what you need to hear in the case of a fire alarm or whatever. But they work great to muffle the excessively loud uh uh uh thing, the phone notifications she forgot to shut down, the distracting music she might insist is great for fucking but isn't, etc. I found it actually enhances my pleasure and focus on how she looks, how her skin and body feels, tastes and so on by blocking out most irrelevant or distracting sounds.
The Kaiser
01-17-23, 05:36
A real word artist, you paint a great picture. The only REAL point I have I've moved up top.
Quite the way with words. Here are a couple more to use in these situations (I'm sure a real Thai speaker will correct my translation, but it IS the correct point):
My Pie (I don't go).
My Oww (I don't want). Oww is the sound you make when you hurt yourself.
If you want to be polite, add a "Kap" at the end of the phrase. If not, don't.Fortunately, we live in a time where I can look up the translation and google even lets me listen to the pronunciation. My Pie is pretty spot on, but when I tried 'I don't want', I got "My Thong Car". "My Die" is cannot. I picked that up from my Isan girl the other night. That and "tep" which means it hurts- useful for those of us who might be a bit too rough.
Thai is a tonal language and with my ears, why I'll never be able to speak it. But I am VERY good at TONES. I don't tolerate anyone grabbing me, to misquote Bogart, "in a number of gin joints in a number of parts of the world", even out on the street. If a local phrase doesn't work, I switch to my TONAL COMMAND VOICE English, as in, "I DON'T TOUCH YOU, DON'T TOUCH ME! In a tone that leaves NO room for ANY misunderstanding.I'm not sure what you mean by tonal in this case, but I've found it to be mostly staccato accentuated with certain elongated syllables, which are almost sung. Getting the rhythm and flow is more important than the actual pronunciation I think, but I'd need to spend more time listening to it to know for sure.
Fun fact about language is that only 7% is verbal, the vast majority is body language and tone. The only caveat here is that cultural differences result in different interpretations of certain tones and gestures, but it only takes a day or 2 to start imitating the local flow for me personally.
They rely on your politeness, your newness, your acceptance. I quash that immediately. But, my experience, in Thailand, the My Pie, My Oww works as it marks you as knowing what's what, and the vultures, sharks, whatever, move on to weaker prey.True, but as someone who is by nature very blunt and rude, I think I tend to overcorrect in unfamiliar situations. Plus being rude tends to stick with me and my mood is sour even after the situation is resolved, which bleeds into my other interactions with uninvolved parties. I prefer to avoid it just so that I can maintain a fun state. Jokes have usually worked to refuse with minimal conflict, but I guess there will always be exceptions to the rule.
Can't say THESE days, but used to be looking for YaBa.Sounds like the Boogeyman. Meth mixed with Caffeine is certainly an interesting combination.
I'd say that reading your exploits brought back some old memories, but that would be a lie. You and I are different generations AND different CLASSES. But if you're having fun, more power to you. To each his own poison.Different generations, sure, but I'm not sure about different classes. This night was far more expensive than I had anticipated. I was expecting it to run around 15-16 k, but the elation from my successful meeting clearly switched off a part of my brain. I had even forget a bunch of documents and my retainers in the hotel restaurant. I didn't even recognize I had been in a daze till a couple days later. I justified the spending on account of that successful meeting being vital to my advancing my career and the fact that I haven't really celebrated a birthday in 7 years. In the past, not celebrating and continuing to grind has depleted my willpower and led to a nasty about of burnout, so this was also a mental health expense. The silver lining here is that it was the only night where I technically did not pay for the sex, just a bar fine and taxi fare.
All right you young whippersnappers ... back in MY day, BEFORE mobiles, BKK traffic, no sky train, stuck taxis, anybody was just happy somebody turned up sometime during the evening. These days, polite to send a message that you're running late. Last trip, I arrived early at an MP and since I was on time, not late, had NOT informed the lady I was on my way as I had said I would. She was waiting at home, got my message that I was there, and kept me informed of her progress towards the shop. Unnecessary, but appreciated, she is CLASS.I do often find myself marveling at the change in human behavior as a result of our advanced ability to communicate. Not being able to reach someone was a completely normal occurrence, but now we get so frustrated by 'ghosting'. The world was probably a lot more relaxed in general I feel, but I was far too young to truly appreciate it. In today's world, I think I'd panic without my phone. My sense of direction is so abysmal that I would be lost without GPS at my fingertips. Back when I was 15, I did spend about 2 hours looking for my way back to my hotel from a restaurant after my friends pranked me by deserting me on a field trip to a different city. No phone on account of my school's policy and even then smart phones weren't exactly a thing back then.
Technically, if you haven't started, you can renege, with a tip to the girl for the trouble. But it is rude (and I understand it is business. The only time I've reneged is when the girl took too long to fetch her supplies. Otherwise, I'd just take one for the team and for karma. Lessons learned, but the painful ones stay learned longer.Agreed 100%!
It's simple, when the pack smells blood, all move in to get a taste. If you're going to be spending time in a place, yes, buying A mamasan a drink is good. But take the time to scope out which one, what the hierarchy is, not right off the bat. Just say "Sorry, NO, cannot. " It's one of those questions that's "it doesn't hurt to ask". Later on, perhaps more when you're almost ready to leave, THEN tell ONE "Thanks for your help, I'll buy you ONE "whatever the mix you want" drink. Or tell the girl what you want to do (1 mamasan, 1 drink, and ask her which one). Any others try, just repeat, "No, sorry, cannot".At Suzy Wong, all the drinks were priced the same. The first mamasan got something mixed with sprite, the second got something mixed with Coke and the dancer got an orange juice. All 3 were 260 baht. I should keep this in mind for other bars that may not follow a similar model though, thanks.
Once upon a time, a LONG time ago, there was a true pole dancer at Nana's GSpot. That girl was a real acrobat, and it guaranteed her a lady drink or 2 from me. I once asked her why, why did she put so much energy into it. Her reply? She really liked it, she enjoyed performing, showing her skill. Truly memorable.The girl I picked up from Suzy Wong was at least grooving to the beat. Last night, I saw a girl in Baccara actually dancing, it's just a shame that it isn't more prevalent. It would definitely make for a more fun environment, but I guess the performer head to the gentlemen clubs instead.
Ah, the ole key excuse. Perhaps not so new after all, but then, I'm a cynic. Just points out the wisdom of pay after.To be fair, it is a GREAT excuse. I've had many a friend locked out because of exactly this reason on more than one occasion, so it's a lot harder to know when it's BS. At the very least, we had never negotiated time and price beforehand, so 3 k for ST seemed fair enough.
There is a 3rd, for me, better way to Cowboy. Exit the BTS on the far left, nearest Asoke, on the Nana side. Take the escalator down to the ground, then just a couple of steps to the escalator to the MRT. But instead of turning left to the MRT, walk straight, follow the corridor, and you're on the Cowboy side of Asoke, using the underground tunnel.Underground tunnel sounds like an old school Earthen oven and the Bangkok weather does not need more help in cooking me. I'll take the breeze of the elevated walkway anyway, unless the tunnel is A / see. Even on the BTS, I try to stand directly under an A / see vent.
Personally, I frown on any mobile use as it sets a bad precedent for future visits, either her or any of her friends (they do talk).I usually don't mind, since it tends to make people comfortable. I usually watch with them and comment on whatever, with a lot of light touch. It's much lower pressure than trying to maintain a conversation across a language barrier with an almost complete stranger. That said, if it's being used as a way to ignore me, that's not something I would tolerate. I've had to adapt to being among the minority of my generation that doesn't use social media, so I may be more tolerant as a result of that.
As you don't have a PM function, I'll just suggest Google Stickman Bangkok. I recently stumbled upon that blog and read a couple of weekly updates as well as some reader emails on there. Are you suggesting we PM over there?
Not too hotI think the 1800's may have been the last time for that. Bangkok much like where I went to college has 2 seasons- hot and VERY HOT. Although I tend to be more intolerant of heat than most people, and I've noticed white people tend to like the heat more than I would imagine, so my opinion may not be worth shit.
This past year, it was raining into December, so who knows.
As far as rain goes, like my ole DI used to say, "you're not sugar, you're not going to melt". When I was out, caught in a shower, I just took refugee someplace, bar, MP, doorway. It usually passes, or at least lessens, in an hour.It's more the high humidity that's associated with rain that's an issue as opposed to the precipitation itself. High humidity means our ability to reduce body heat through sweating is impaired.
Best way, take an umbrella, guaranteed it WON'T rain.Great minds think alike!
BabiWilson88
01-17-23, 10:27
I went to Bangkok last month. I visited few clubs in Sukhuvmit Soi 11, Levels and Sugar Club. Not much girls able to pick up compare with Insanity club. Anyone can recommend which nightclub is easy to pick up in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.
When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?
Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.We have three seasons here. Hot, hot and wet, and not quite as hot. The latter only lasts a part of Dec-Feb if we're lucky.
Explorer8939
01-17-23, 12:33
When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?
Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.December.
January is not too bad.
MamaGuevos
01-17-23, 12:49
I am looking for a doctor in BKK who speaks English and who will prescribe me sleeping medications (as I find it nearly impossible to sleep in BKK after a 24 hour /12 time zone plane trip via Japan). Can anyone provide me with a referral by PM?
Thanks.
The Kaiser
01-17-23, 13:13
Trying out daily reports while all the details are fresh, since I got positive feedback from my previous reports.
Soi Cowboy on a Monday was much less chaotic and frenetic compared to the weekend, and I was certainly grateful for that fact. There was enough space on the street to outmaneuver the Deja Vu predators, but they didn't seem so hungry today. Instead they were huddled together deep in discussion. There were no victims, so it's possible their aggressive tactics over the weekend was enough to sate their hunger. I had decided to revisit Suzy Wong since I had a pleasant experience the last time, but I saw the end of the street and I realized I had walked past it again. I had done the same thing on Saturday and literally had to pull out Google maps on my phone to figure out how it disappeared. I felt like an idiot when I saw the massive sign as soon as I turned around and for me to repeat the same mistake only after 2 days is a testament to my inability to navigate myself almost anywhere.
This time though, I saw the crowd at Baccara was much thinner, so I decided to avenge my previous failure. I was confidently striding in, when a thick, burly arm suddenly blocked my path. I saw one of the most grouchy bouncers halfheartedly nudge his head in the direction of the outside bar. I decided to ignore the unnecessary rudeness and got myself a Singha beer before making my way up to the second floor. It was definitely a lot less crowded. No one was seated at the bar and a few of the large couches and floating tables were empty as well. I made myself comfortable in one of the booths and sipped my beer as I, devoid of previous bashfulness, scoped the wares on display tonight. Much like the last time I was here, I wasn't happy with the topless dancers. It's a well studied phenomenon that we as humans find 'covered' people more attractive. By which I mean to say, our imaginations are often much rosier than reality. That's why most people look more attractive in sunglasses. I saw quite a few familiar faces, but there were a lot fewer girls working today. I assumed there must have a few weekend moonlighters, who were absent today. However, I was quite pleased to see a girl actually dancing today, just like one would expect at a trendy nightclub, albeit a lot more exposed. Regrettably, she wasn't my type, but I hope her exuberant performance would enamor a generous patron, so as to encourage others to follow her lead.
Since no one caught my fancy, I resigned myself to waiting for the girls in red to take the stage. Little did I know that my seat was soon to be discourteously vacated, as the mamasan gestured me elsewhere, while barking, "You only one person". I aquiesced, but the staff's behavior was already beginning to wear on my patience. A few minutes later, the stages switched teams, and I was set to leave as soon as I mentally rejected all them all. 2 girls quickly changed my plans though. I recognized one girl, who I had liked the last time I was here, but her back was toward me, so I couldn't get her digits. Another girl was cute, but was my second choice based on her relative attractiveness. My first choice was barely moving and looked a little bored, which made me hesitant, but the sunk cost fallacy of having spent so much time here had me call her over for a lady drink. This allowed me to ascend to one of the coveted couches. I ordered myself another beer and excused myself to the bathroom while Mui got her drink and sat at my new table.
When I returned, I took my place next to her. She lacked any of the shy nervousness that I've come to associate as a sign of attraction. Instead she was very matter of fact and a touch jittery. Another red flag I chose to ignore because this girl was 100% my type, and it isn't common for me to find someone who fits my type so perfectly. I decided I would gamble just to cross this off my bucket list and use it as a learning experience no matter the outcome. She ran through the standard script and a lot of her mannerisms felt very Japanese / Korean in that kawaii / V sign kind of way. After not more than 2 minutes, she asked if she could get another lady drink, which I accepted. When she returned, I decided to inspect her "shot", which on my previous visit I had believed to be straight Tequila. I was quite surprised to discover it was in fact a very dilute cocktail in a serving of a mere 60 ML. Having little success with conversation and touch, I decided to go for my trump card of intense unwavering eye contact. It was a good call, since she brought up the price negotiations after about 30 or 40 seconds. LT would cost me 6 k, and she then asked for the Bar fine and another lady drink. I told her the lady drink made no sense and she dropped it. I settled my bill while she went to change.
She returned just as I was finishing my beer in a stunning black dress. For the first time, I understood why some of us lose rationality in the face of a beautiful woman. Walking her to the stairwell certainly was enough to arouse me as my subconscious started imagining the rest of our night. Outside, she asked me to wait for 5 minutes while she spoke to the bar tender, handing her some bills. It was then that I noticed her dress was actually a deep shade of red, just a shade darker than blood, which happens to be my favorite color. She was somehow playing with a stacked deck without knowing it. We flagged down a taxi and it was now that she clarified that LT was 4 hours and ST was 1 hour. I was not ready for this sucker punch and immediately began to reconsider. She clearly saw my reluctance and just stated that it was up to me. I decided that I had to have her at least once, but I decided to defer our discussion till when we were in private. I used the taxi ride to weigh the pros and cons as I saw them while cutting off touch. I've found this to be one of the most effective means of communicating a reduction in interest, and she had better know that bringing up now was a little underhanded. She had already asked for her payment at Baccara, which was so utterly ridiculous, I laughed it off. The way she held onto my arm as I escorted her to the elevator told me she had understood my reaction to her definitions. She was studying the entire taxi ride to the hotel and even asked whether she needed a key card to return to the lobby. Planning logistics for her exit clearly.
Once in the room, she asked for payment once again. I still had not decided on the duration and this pestering was a real mood killer. Her defense was insisting that, "Customer Lie". I jokingly tried to maneuver the situation as we got into the shower. Her attitude felt more like a very cold massage parlor or outcall. Out of the shower, she began demanding money again, and I finally just pulled out 6 k and put it under a glass telling she had no pockets right now, but for god's sake chill the fuck out! Before getting to the bed, she asked for a condom. I made my playful joke about 'no condom' and she reaction was so rehearsed it was funny. My smirk afterward though kept the interaction flowing smoothly. Asking for a condom before any foreplay though. It was looking more and more like ST was the way to go. She even explained to me that she would return to work after 4 hours. I was under the impression that Soi Cowboy shut at 2 AM, but she clarified that Baccara is open till 4. It was obvious that there was no wiggle room for negotiation, so I resigned myself to make my decision after her performance. It was only 10:15 and I would have preferred to intersperse my rounds between some sleep, but the only way to make LT worth it would be to fuck her non stop and sleep in the next day.
Getting down to the deed, she was a good kisser, which helped put her annoying qualities to the back of my mind. She was comfortable leaving the curtains completely open, which was a first. She had fake breasts, but the surgeon had done a good job. Her right nipple was ever so slightly off, but almost imperceptible. The surgeon's scar was godawful though. I found myself distracted by it, absolutely dumbfounded why he or she hadn't used subcuticular sutures. The approximation wasn't good either, which resulted in a slightly hypertrophic scar. This wasn't a case discussion, so I switched off that part of my brain. She had a very pretty naval piercing and I was very gentle in that region, not wanting to rip it out with my tongue. Making my way past her unshaven shrubbery, I went down on her for about a minute before being overwhelmed by a strong flavor. She was extra salty and it confused me. She was about to bag my little friend, but I rolled over since I needed to assess her oral skills. They were mediocre and the view wasn't as amazing as I thought it would have been. She put the condom on after about a minute at most, and then asked whether I wanted to fuck her. It took me a second to understand, but I responded telling her to fuck me first. She was on top for a minute or 2 before leaning forward into me and promptly gave up in another 30 seconds. She lay down and asked me to fuck her. We did missionary for a little while and the acting began very quickly. She asked to switch to doggy after about 5 minutes or so and I was more than happy to. While in this position, I was struck by the familiar smell of Aunt Flo. There was no bleeding, so I was quite perplexed, but this may explain the strong taste I had experienced while DATY. Her acting was unbearable so decided to gag her with my fingers. This only worked for a couple of minutes before she resumed her line reading, mumbling, "so good boy" and the like while gripping the sheets in an exaggerated fashion. She clearly did Kegels because she was contracting the entire time, hoping to work as little as possible and squeezing out her payment with minimal effort. It wasn't long before the field became too dry for play as usual, and so began the negotiation for bareback. She was strongly opposed as she began tugging on me like she was using a plunger. She clearly had little experience doing much more than looking pretty, so I was confident in the fact that I would get the most out of this transaction with a little more experience in negotiation. I rolled onto my back and dejectedly told her it would not happen this way. She then finally offered the argument that "she other customer, she dirty, you safe". To which, I responded, "I wouldn't finish inside her, and she looked clean to me, so I was confident in my safety". She wouldn't budge, before I offhandedly mentioned my profession. She did not believe me believing me to be a boxer on account of my gloves drying on the bedside table. I then explained that boxing was simply a hobby, but all no amount of insisting garnered any response aside from, "You lie". This was the last straw to her impertinence, so I shut her up with my ID card, which floored her. After taking a minute to compose herself by repeating how surprised she was, she was finally ready to let me ride without a saddle, "but only 2 minutes". I hadn't fired my pistol in around 40 hours, so my trigger finger was too itchy and it only took around 5 minutes before I painted her back and butt. She immediately demanded paper towels, not even allowing me the few seconds of ecstasy in peace. I cleaned her up and we showered, with her still professing her utter surprise that I wasn't a "sports boy" with my physique. She then asked if I spoke Chinese having finally noticed my tattoo, to which I told her 4 Chinese words I knew and switching to my broken Japanese instead. When I told her I knew the language as a result of watching anime, her face lit up like I had given her her first ever Christmas present.
Having toweled off, she walked over to the bed, lifted the covers and asked me what we should do now. Sleep, nap and then play later, it was "up to me". I decided to quit while I was somewhat ahead and told her I'd pay her for ST instead since she was so eager to return to work. I paid her, and then she excitedly asked me for a tip. I think my facial expression gave away how I felt about that since she then pleaded that she had accepted no condom. She did have a point so I tossed in 200 baht. We had a little more conversation while she got dressed and made up. I kissed her a few more times, which meant her having to reapply her lipstick. She reconfirmed about whether the lift needed a key card or not. When leaving, she turned the wrong way, so perhaps her logistical preparation was a result of poor sense of direction, for which I couldn't fault her without being an absolute hypocrite.
As I breathed a sigh of relief feeling that I had just about broken even, I noticed a few pinkish stains on the bed. Taking a whiff, I confirmed my earlier suspicions- she was DEFINITELY on her period. Perhaps, she had not even realized it, or more likely did not want a controversial bodily function hamper her ability to milk unsuspecting punters. Time to pass the fuck out, so that I can be well rested for my first Muay Thai session with a proper coach the following afternoon.
Moral of the Story: Baccara is too successful, so their customer service is rude and the girls entitled as a result. This may be a generalization, but Mui even insisted that her timing definitions were standard, "All Lady same". She wasn't familiar with the name Suzy Wong and since this wasn't my first Rodeo, she could not bullshit me, even though she refused to believe me. Only go in if you want a beer and the topless swaying that passes for dancing. Even their drinks are more expensive than other places. I applaud their business model though, since it is obviously a well oiled machine that is raking in the moolah.
Time to go grab a bite, while I mull over which gun range to try out tonight. I quite liked my sign off from my previous report, so fuck you and happy fucking!
The Kaiser
01-17-23, 13:17
I am looking for a doctor in BKK who speaks English and who will prescribe me sleeping medications (as I find it nearly impossible to sleep in BKK after a 24 hour /12 time zone plane trip via Japan). Can anyone provide me with a referral by PM?
Thanks.Try some cough / cold medication with a first generation antihistamine. It's usually sold over the counter in most countries and is effective for a lot of people. Anything with an ingredient like Chorphenhydramine or Diphenhydramine.
Also as someone who took weeks to readjust my internal clock flying to a different hemisphere, I've found it wiser to plan ahead and only go to bed at night time in that country. The first day might be tiring as all hell, but it beats falling asleep on your feet at 11 in the morning.
We have three seasons here. Hot, hot and wet, and not quite as hot. The latter only lasts a part of Dec-Feb if we're lucky.And soon that will change to just hot. But, at least it has not rained since my arrival on Dec 30th. However, at my home base in North America they have had snow followed by cold weather, more snow, more cold, and now a black ice pack only a hockey player could love.
I have done that as well here. I try to limit my withdrawals as a consequence to reduce the risk. I travel a lot internationally and this is about the only country that will not give you your money until you withdraw your card. It really sucks! I use Fidelity and they do send you another card but it takes a week or so and some drawn out phone calls to verify who you are.
Thanks for the reminder StJohn. Done it there myself in the afternoon not even drunk. Just so used to getting the cash last. Need to remember card is more important than cash 555!
I have done that as well here. I try to limit my withdrawals as a consequence to reduce the risk. I travel a lot internationally and this is about the only country that will not give you your money until you withdraw your card. It really sucks! I use Fidelity and they do send you another card but it takes a week or so and some drawn out phone calls to verify who you are.Should read the other way round: "will not give you your card until you withdraw your money".
HorseTrader
01-17-23, 16:48
I am looking for a doctor in BKK who speaks English and who will prescribe me sleeping medications (as I find it nearly impossible to sleep in BKK after a 24 hour /12 time zone plane trip via Japan). Can anyone provide me with a referral by PM?
Thanks.Good luck with that. I need sleep aids every night and about 5 years ago I brought too few. I went to 2 doctors and was unable to get anything that was more effective than Benadryl. Some things are easy to get over the counter (antibiotics) but other things are not available even with doctor support (Sudafed).
MamaGuevos
01-17-23, 17:01
Good luck with that. I need sleep aids every night and about 5 years ago I brought too few. I went to 2 doctors and was unable to get anything that was more effective than Benadryl. Some things are easy to get over the counter (antibiotics) but other things are not available even with doctor support (Sudafed).Can one get a shot of an antiobiotic or just pills?
Benadryl does not effectively induce sleep in me. This is what doctors are for! Two doctors refused something like ambien or xanax? Incredible. I better take the time to see my doctor here.
HorseTrader
01-17-23, 18:55
Can one get a shot of an antiobiotic or just pills?
Benadryl does not effectively induce sleep in me. This is what doctors are for! Two doctors refused something like ambien or xanax? Incredible. I better take the time to see my doctor here.If there are any more questions, I'll move to the lounge. I don't know about injectable antibiotics such as ceftriaxone.
Sorry, I wrote incorrectly in my prior post, it wasn't 2 doctors, it was same doctor twice. Here is more complete description of what happened. I first went to local pharmacy and asked for Lunesta or Ambien, they said no, I don't remember if they didn't have it in stock or it required prescription. I brought empty Lunesta bottle to local clinic and asked doctor for Lunesta or something similar. The doctor gave me something from his stock in a zip lock bag and that didn't work well. Two days later I want back to same doctor and got some different pills, which also didn't work. I don't remember what either medication was, but certainly not Lunesta or Ambien. Xanax would scare me as a sleep aid, very addictive.
On another trip to Thailand I went to clinic and was given antibiotics and decongestant. I asked doctor for sudafed in place of the decongestant he had for me. He said sudafed is only available at the hospital. I understand restricting sudafed since there are reasonable alternatives and because sudafed is a key ingredient for making some recreational drugs.
The long and short of my post is that some medications are easy to get in Thailand and other's are not. Bring whatever you need. Some things are available over the counter in Thailand that require a prescription in USA (oral antibiotics, blood pressure medicines, boner pills). Other things are easy to get in USA by prescription (sleep aids) but might be difficult to get in Thailand. Some things are available over the counter in USA but difficult to get in Thailand (sudafed).
HelloHarry
01-17-23, 21:42
Does anybody have experience with the massage outcall service called "see-body" Spa? It's quite pricey but the girls look really good on the pictures.
TourduMonde
01-18-23, 01:13
6 Jan
Poseidon,
the girl was an 'S' - 6 k.
*Total Damages = 6140 - S girl + 2 Singha.So there is no upsell in the room, the 6 K includes full service?
When is the best time to visit Bangkok weather wise?
Not too hot and not too much rain if possible.SE Asia is always hot and it rains. Thats the climate there. Overall, Jan-Mar or Dec-Feb iare often considered the best weather by many foreigners and you should have good options anywhere in the area both in the cities and on the coast / islands. April tends to be fine too. But again to be clear, its always hot and it will rain, this time is just less hot and less rain
Moral of the Story: Baccara is too successful, so their customer service is rude and the girls entitled as a result. This may be a generalization, but Mui even insisted that her timing definitions were standard, "All Lady same". She wasn't familiar with the name Suzy Wong and since this wasn't my first Rodeo, she could not bullshit me, even though she refused to believe me. Only go in if you want a beer and the topless swaying that passes for dancing. Even their drinks are more expensive than other places. I applaud their business model though, since it is obviously a well oiled machine that is raking in the moolah.
Not even going to sugarcoat this one. Reading this means you were seen as a dope there or mark or all of the above. This isn't how gogos usually work, something is pretty up, and no one wanted to deal with you or you were being weird or something. I don't really know what more to say, this is not on Baccara.
Not even going to sugarcoat this one. Reading this means you were seen as a dope there or mark or all of the above. This isn't how gogos usually work, something is pretty up, and no one wanted to deal with you or you were being weird or something. I don't really know what more to say, this is not on Baccara.I didn't read the previous post, tldr LOL, so maybe my context might be off but aren't we all marks to them. We're there to give them money and they'll do what they can to get it.
Moral of the Story: Baccara is too successful, so their customer service is rude and the girls entitled as a result. This may be a generalization, but Mui even insisted that her timing definitions were standard, "All Lady same". She wasn't familiar with the name Suzy Wong and since this wasn't my first Rodeo, she could not bullshit me, even though she refused to believe me. Only go in if you want a beer and the topless swaying that passes for dancing. Even their drinks are more expensive than other places. I applaud their business model though, since it is obviously a well oiled machine that is raking in the moolah.
Thanks for an amazingly detailed report! For me personally, haggling kills the vibe, so I'll stay away from bargirls at Baccara. But I'm glad it worked out for you. How much was the ST that you ended up paying?
The Kaiser
01-18-23, 04:35
So there is no upsell in the room, the 6 K includes full service?Yep, 6 k full service and no extra charges aside from the beer (optional BTW).
This isn't how gogos usually workHaving been to Suzy Wong and Twister on Nana last night, I'm inclined to agree, which is why I assumed it was a result of their success and the hubris that comes along with it.
Reading this means you were seen as a dope there or mark or all of the above. something is pretty up, and no one wanted to deal with you or you were being weird or something. I'd love to know what it was since my behavior has been the same everywhere. Could it have been my age (I look even younger than I actually am too), me being alone, my tattoos, my skin color? The bouncer only had my appearance to go on. I don't begrudge the mamasan who moved me, but to do it so rudely, was uncalled for. I try to always introspect on my actions and the reactions they provoke, since this is the way I learned basic social skills as an adolescent. All I did aside from walking in and sitting down was to sip my beer until I picked out a girl. On Friday, I experienced none of this, but they were a lot more busy then. Perhaps this is an anomalous experience, and regulars are treated differently, but I cannot completely absolve Baccara. Perhaps they have profiled younger, solo visitors as not bringing in much revenue, instead simply opting to get a free show. Ultimately it's discrimination and even if the stereotype is accurate for the majority, there will be a minority who suffer the consequences. To dismiss it entirely though would end up showing only one side of the coin, and creating a more biased picture. It's very similar to men dismissing sexism, or people dismissing racism, although on a much smaller and less impactful scale. I do hope my experience was an anomaly, and they were just tired after a busy weekend, but I'm not venturing there again to find out.
The Kaiser
01-18-23, 06:13
Getting off the BTS, I was surprised by how crowded and tourist-why it was here. I was expecting a similar vibe to Cowboy, but perhaps their reputation brings in a wider audience. I saw a security checkpoint, where a belligerent young man was arguing with the security staff. I chose to eavesdrop and the staff were asking him to show his ID, so it's possible he may have been underage. His slurred speech did him no favors negotiating the situation. Following another gentleman who squeezed past the small crowd of his friends, I entered the World's Largest Adult Playground. Its previous purpose as a shopping complex was obvious from its design. I decided to take a lap around ground floor, to see if anything caught my eye. Most establishments were an easy pass, but Twister was tempting to me. There were plenty of girls outside, and not too many customers. I decided to step in and have a look at the talent on stage. Overall, there was a decent line up and the music wasn't too bad, so I decided to start with a drink here. The bathroom was poorly maintained, the urinal reeking of urine and the tap poorly attached to the sink. A linear stage means that the best view is central and unfortunately all of those seats were occupied. I took a seat toward the right of the stage and ordered my usual Singha. A slightly overweight woman immediately sat next to me and asked me the usual questions and I responded politely. Not wasting any time, she guided my hand to her breasts and proceeded to give me a lap dance. Perhaps noticing that I wasn't reciprocating, she turned to straddle me and started to kiss me. Mamasan threw me a lifebuoy in the form of my beer, which I immediately snatched and pressed to my lips, hoping the lady on my lap would get the message. The mamasan asked if I would get her a drink, and I simply shook my head no. This surprised my aggressive assaulter, who got off and asked me why incredulously. I simply told her, "She was not my type, Mi Die". She tried to plead her case, but repeating the same line while I coolly sipped my beer had her strut off with the familiar gait of indignation. A word of thanks to Bravo, for helping me navigate this situation so smoothly! There were another couple of girls whose smiles asked me for an invitation, to which I simply responded sad smile and shook my head no.
I don't know if I'm become more picky as a result of all my recent mongering, but none of the girls caught my eye instantly. In the back of mind, I was also wary of the possibility of ladyboys, having been warned by a previous outcall that everyone in Nana is a ladyboy. There was one girl who looked a little cute, but she looked very skinny, the skin of her buttocks even sagging slightly; possibly as a result of a crash diet. Halfway through my beer, the table to my right had vacated, so I moved my beer and bin to get a better view of the left of the stage, signing to the mamasan to let her know. There was a girl with a beautiful full back tattoo, and another rocking some really sexy thigh high leather boots, but neither were my type. It was then that I saw the skinny girl move from her previous location to the center of the stage and she was certainly grooving with me music; her moves matching the tempo of the frankly mediocre DJ. Her hustle was endearing to me, so I asked mamasan to send her over right as the stage changed shifts. I had to repeat the digits, while the girls dispersed and seemingly evaporated. I expected them to be floating amongst the patrons, but I couldn't spot a single one for a good 5 minutes or so. Even the mamasan was nowhere to be seen. I decided that if I was still alone by the time I finished my beer, I would simply clear my dues and scope out the next floor. The mamasan returned almost as I was done and told me she was in the bathroom with an apologetic look. Bee emerged just in time, so I ordered her a drink just as my first bottle had been emptied. Mamasan asked me for a drink, to which I responded with a quizzical look, before acquiescing. I'm hoping the second of hesitation keeps me from being branded a sucker. She said, "I take care you" and marched off before she heard me ask for another beer. Bee tried to shout to get her attention, but working in such a loud environment has probably taken its toll on mamasan's ears. She took my first bill, bringing a new printed bill, where I noticed one of my beers had been omitted. Not sure if this was my mamasan taking care of me, or simply an oversight, I simply cleared the new bill. I was pleasantly surprised to find the lady drink was in fact a shot of straight liquor, even remarking to Bee explaining that other places I had been to did not always do the same. Her face contorted as she downed her Tequila and gingerly drained the lemon wedge into her mouth. I used this as an excuse to tease her, before segueing into asking about her tattoos. I showed her mine and we talked about them for a bit, before she asked me if I liked the music and if I liked to dance. We then started to move in time to the music and she certainly had a good sense of rhythm and followed my lead very well. She would flash me the broadest grin whenever she noticed me looking at her. The grin reminded me a lot of my girl from the PIMP. She ordered another shot, but this time I had her lick the salt off of my hand and squeezed the lime into mouth myself. I had decided on her for the night, so I asked if she'd like to come home me. It took her a few seconds before asking me if I wanted to barfine. She then stared off, probably trying to recall her prices, since those were the next words out of her mouth. 1 k Bar Fine, and 3 k for ST. I asked about LT, which brought an instant change in facial expression and demeanor as though I had asked her for a kidney. I tried to ask her how long ST would be, but I don't think she understood or perhaps she thought I was attempting to haggle. She waved over a rather heavyset, grumpy older lady who simply presented my with a cell phone photo of the very same prices scribbled in marker. Clearly the environment was too loud to properly clarify terms, so I decided that I would be fine even if it was an hour, but hoped to get 3 or 4 out of her. I paid for her second lady drink and tried booking a Grab while she got dressed.
Grab was being stubborn, refusing to find a cab outside Nana, so leading Bee to the intersection, I tried a few more times. Booking from the intersection was an instant success but it took a couple minutes to find the car. On the ride back, she remained silent, staring out at the passing lights as we made our way to the hotel. Escorting her across the hotel foyer, I appreciated that she managed to match my stride. The broad smile she gave me as I gently nudged her under her chin was adorable. She folded her hands and gave a little bow as she entered my room. Kissing her as she sat down on my bed in between eye contact and her broad grin did enough to set the mood. She asked to take a shower and made her way to the bathroom. I put on a playlist and entered in after her. She asked if I wanted to take a shower too and I told her I would join her shortly, giving her a little spank. Once we had toweled off, I attempted to lead her to the bed, but she stopped me, wanting to check her weight. A meager 38.4 kg, which almost certainly met the definition for Anorexia Nervosa. I took the opportunity pick her up and feign that I would toss her onto the bed before kissing her and laying her down gently. We kissed a little longer before she asked to turn over, so that she could blow me. A very gentle blowjob, but her ability to deep throat was unparalleled; gobbling me down to my base. She wasn't hurried at all and I hoped that I could finish in her pretty little mouth as I held a fistful of her long hair clenched in my hands. She rose and asked me if I had a condom, to which my response was, "No condom ok?" She accepted in a few seconds and lay on her back licking her hand to lubricate my entry as I lay on top of her. She was obviously far too tight and probably needed more foreplay, so I gently kissed her as I made my way to DATY. She blocked me off with both her hands and refused very embarrassedly. I tried to distract her before trying again, but no dice. Instead she guided me upward to her face and slobbered all over my little friend, before guiding me lower to penetrate her. It was during this time, I began wondering whether she was in fact a post op trans woman. The lack of fat made judging her gender by her pelvis difficult, but she had natural feminine breasts, even though they were rather small. Entering her, I found her to be moist, even though not quite as dilated as I would have liked. I wasn't long before I began feeling that familiar pressure rising up, so I asked her if finishing inside would be ok, and she nodded yes hurriedly. She was probably very tired judging by the prominent dark circles under her eyes. I flipped her over and only lasted 2 minutes before emptying my entire clip inside her. She hurriedly trotted off to the shower with a hand under her crotch, so as to not spill a drop.
I joined her to clean up and she said she would change. I asked her for another round and she responded the same way she had when I asked her for LT; she would certainly not be giving me her kidney. She stayed turned away from me in the shower, so I walked back out till she was ready to towel off. I helped her get dressed before I asked her for another round, this time much more gently. She was insistent, but having gotten BBFS CIP, I was satisfied, so I simply gave her some touch and gentle kisses. I even reapplied some Aquaphor to her dry and cracked lips as I had done when she entered my room. I find it surprising how many of these girls don't use lip balm of any kind. Out of the bathroom, I walked over to my wallet and handed over her payment before opening the door for her exit. She bowed once again, saying "See you next time" and left. Short, but sweet, and I get plenty of sleep once again.
Total Damages = 4,935 - 2 lady drinks, 1 mamasan drink, 2 (or 1) Singha, BF, ST.
Until next time, fuck you and happy fucking!
P.S. I forgot the damages from Baccara so I'll just toss that in here:
4540 - 2 Singha, 2 Lady Drinks, BF, ST.
Another way of looking at it:
Oww EE (long E), is "another", as in when you want another Singha, "Oww EE Kap".
I asked a Thai, and MY Oww was translated as "no no no".
I'm not sure what you mean by tonal in this case, but I've found it to be mostly staccato accentuated with certain elongated syllables, which are almost sung. Getting the rhythm and flow is more important than the actual pronunciation I think, but I'd need to spend more time listening to it to know for sure.Sorry, Thai, like Mandarin, is TONAL, and tone is EVERYTHING. 5 tones: low, middle, high, rising, falling (and all DEPENDENT on the speaker). Example: MY means no. I've met a number of girls named MY, and I used to think what parent would name their kid NO. But MY, IN A DIFFERENT TONE, means NEW. Thais hear the difference, I can't. That sing-song you hear are the tones DIFFERENTIATING various words. If English used tones, then HERE and HEAR would never be confused. Luckily, Thais are VERY understanding about my mispronunciations and interpret the correct tone in context.
Fun fact about language is that only 7% is verbal, the vast majority is body language and tone. The only caveat here is that cultural differences result in different interpretations of certain tones and gestures, but it only takes a day or 2 to start imitating the local flow for me personally.English tones and Asian language tones two different things; English is emotion, Asian denotes various word meanings.
I do often find myself marveling at the change in human behavior as a result of our advanced ability to communicate. Not being able to reach someone was a completely normal occurrence, but now we get so frustrated by 'ghosting'. The world was probably a lot more relaxed in general I feel, but I was far too young to truly appreciate it. In today's world, I think I'd panic without my phone. My sense of direction is so abysmal that I would be lost without GPS at my fingertips. Back when I was 15, I did spend about 2 hours looking for my way back to my hotel from a restaurant after my friends pranked me by deserting me on a field trip to a different city. No phone on account of my school's policy and even then smart phones weren't exactly a thing back then.I'm fortunate, I have a pretty good since of direction, usually able to navigate by dead reckoning and inertial navigation. Though with a smart phone's GPS, I do lose touch; just spent 30 minutes yesterday looking for a bus stop when I got turned around and my phone was not updating for awhile and I was relying that it was.
For me, smart phones mixed blessing. Before any mobile, you had to rely on luck and quickness of connecting with a bg again (as in going to the bar the next night early enough to pull her before someone else did). Coming back after several months, good luck if she'd moved, would have to hope one of her friends recognized you and let you know where she'd gone. Non-smart mobiles, SMS, great, you could get her number, sms to see where she was. Smart, with Line, easy peasy, I've kept in contact with several over the years, makes it so easy to pick up where we left off. And with those that I have their number but haven't kept in contact with, at least I have a shot (pun intended) with them again, to find out where they are now. WeChat works the same for PRC's. Just today, looking for a PRC I know, biblical sense, sent her a message; she responded that she's in China for the New Year, will let me know when she returns. The negative is that some, particularly the younger generation (and to me, that's everyone) can be GLUED to them. But, during the Soi 23 walk selection process, does make decisions easier: if she's more interested in her phone than me, she's excluded.
At Suzy Wong, all the drinks were priced the same. Stick had a write up on Suzy Wong recently, including their lady drinks.
To be fair, it is a GREAT excuse. I've had many a friend locked out because of exactly this reason on more than one occasion, so it's a lot harder to know when it's BS. At the very least, we had never negotiated time and price beforehand, so 3 k for ST seemed fair enough.YOU hadn't negotiated the price beforehand, SHE had already decided. There was a discussion here (or maybe Pattaya thread) about this ploy and the solutions. Yours was appropriate, ST for ST.
Underground tunnel sounds like an old school Earthen oven and the Bangkok weather does not need more help in cooking me. I'll take the breeze of the elevated walkway anyway, unless the tunnel is A / see. Even on the BTS, I try to stand directly under an A / see vent.It's a short tunnel, just crossing Asoke, and picks up the a / see from the metro. Yes, it's not a breeze, but it's quick and short.
I recently stumbled upon that blog and read a couple of weekly updates as well as some reader emails on there. Are you suggesting we PM over there?No need for PM. With a PM functionality HERE, I'd have sent a link, but was hoping the google reference would be sufficient. He's been a good source of BKK info for a long time (previously, it was the Bangkok Post newspaper, Friday edition, The Night Owl column, RIP Mr. Trink, a TRUE BKK institution).
t's more the high humidity that's associated with rain that's an issue as opposed to the precipitation itself. High humidity means our ability to reduce body heat through sweating is impaired.Agreed, it's the humidity that's the killer. I sweat like a pig, so the first thing I do at an MP is a shower. Even when my fav, after 3 years, rushed to give me a BIG hug and DFK, I had to push her away UNTIL I'd hit the showers. TIT (ala Trink).
I went to Bangkok last month. I visited few clubs in Sukhuvmit Soi 11, Levels and Sugar Club. Not much girls able to pick up compare with Insanity club. Anyone can recommend which nightclub is easy to pick up in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.(sarcasm on) Some great FR's there, but I don't see what the problem is. Given that most Thai girls are less than 50 kg, why are you having trouble picking them up? (sarcasm off).
LonelyMonger30
01-18-23, 08:02
Sky is the limit, but a rough estimate is about 4 K-5 K Baht a day. You mention a couple shots on goal, so I'd say 6-7 K a day.
Since I'm not on the ground, I'll defer to the seniors / regulars on this. But my understanding is that 2-3 K ST and 5 K upwards for LT.
Again, differing reports, but bar fines at Gogos are in the region of 1-1. 5 K.
Nana: Reports indicate that Spankys, Twister, Rainbow 5, and Billboard are the pick of the litter.
SC: Reports indicate that the girls are generally older and not as good looking. Crazy House gets mention.
Note though that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.
I guess you would've read the reports below. It's not making much sense carrying currency. So maybe bring $1000 in new crisp notes and use your debit card for drawing on site.
Sorry. Can't help here.
Play it by ear and don't overthink it.
If something feels off, walk away. There are literally hundreds of other girls.
Keep your belongings close to you.
Think twice before choosing LT.
Ladyboys.
Gogos have closed doors and many a time the girls are 'dancing' topless / nude (though this should not be expected).
Beer bars: It's as the name suggests. A bar where you're sipping on beers while being surrounded by pretty women who want your attention. Bar fines are lower and in many of them, you get food too.
Hope this helps. Enjoy and do let us know how your first trip went.Thank you for taking the time and effort to help. I'm eagerly looking forward to my BKK trip coming April and look forward to posting my adventures here in the forum!! My very first time! Hope there are no more unforeseen new covid regulations then!
Thermae had about 50 girls early on Tuesday night with about 25 plus doable (to me).
There was nothing of worth (to me) on the street.
Nanaplaza was hopping and there was a plethora of hotties (in my mind).
The Kaiser
01-18-23, 11:49
Another way of looking at it:
Oww EE (long E), is "another", as in when you want another Singha, "Oww EE Kap".
I asked a Thai, and MY Oww was translated as "no no no".
Sorry, Thai, like Mandarin, is TONAL, and tone is EVERYTHING. 5 tones: low, middle, high, rising, falling (and all DEPENDENT on the speaker). Example: MY means no. I've met a number of girls named MY, and I used to think what parent would name their kid NO. But MY, IN A DIFFERENT TONE, means NEW. Thais hear the difference, I can't. That sing-song you hear are the tones DIFFERENTIATING various words. If English used tones, then HERE and HEAR would never be confused. Luckily, Thais are VERY understanding about my mispronunciations and interpret the correct tone in context.
English tones and Asian language tones two different things; English is emotion, Asian denotes various word meanings.This is very enlightening, and here I thought pronunciations were hard enough. Fortunately I've had to develop my ear since I was pretty much tone deaf growing up, so picking up the tone is easier. Like humming along with a song in a language you do not understand. Plus the consistent tone would make the word less mistakable I think.
YOU hadn't negotiated the price beforehand, SHE had already decided. There was a discussion here (or maybe Pattaya thread) about this ploy and the solutions. Yours was appropriate, ST for ST.Touché, and I'll have to look for it.
It's a short tunnel, just crossing Asoke, and picks up the a / see from the metro. Yes, it's not a breeze, but it's quick and short.Well, I don't think I'll be visiting Cowboy again this time, since I have yet to see the higher floors on Nana and Patpong. So I'll have to try and remember that for my next visit.
No need for PM. With a PM functionality HERE, I'd have sent a link, but was hoping the google reference would be sufficient. He's been a good source of BKK info for a long time (previously, it was the Bangkok Post newspaper, Friday edition, The Night Owl column, RIP Mr. Trink, a TRUE BKK institution).Ah! I didn't figure that links weren't allowed in replies, so that makes sense.
I sweat like a pigSame! The first guy who held pads for my Muay Thai session had to get me a towel, because the amount of sweat flying into his eyes was too much for him to handle. I have often joked that there is always a high chance of rain in a 2 m radius wherever I'm boxing.
Given that most Thai girls are less than 50 kg, why are you having trouble picking them up?LMFAO!
I didn't read the previous post, tldr LOL, so maybe my context might be off but aren't we all marks to them. We're there to give them money and they'll do what they can to get it.The OP had never been to a strip club before or done any of this, so he was most certainly doing something unsual and just doesn't know what's up and didn't understand he was being weird or something. His experience is so unusual, not just for Baccara, not just cowboy, not just Thailand, not just strip clubs that its like "oh boy, the location isn't the thing that's the problem". Lets just say, OP was almost certainly throwing out some red flags and awkwardness. Something was up.
Yeah we're all marks and never forget it, but all the marks have levels.
The Kaiser
01-19-23, 06:57
Thanks for an amazingly detailed report! For me personally, haggling kills the vibe, so I'll stay away from bargirls at Baccara. But I'm glad it worked out for you. How much was the ST that you ended up paying?3 k for 1 hour.
The OP had never been to a strip club before or done any of this, so he was most certainly doing something unsual and just doesn't know what's up and didn't understand he was being weird or something. His experience is so unusual, not just for Baccara, not just cowboy, not just Thailand, not just strip clubs that its like "oh boy, the location isn't the thing that's the problem". Lets just say, OP was almost certainly throwing out some red flags and awkwardness. Something was up.It was unusual to me too, which is why I pointed it out. After last night, I've been to 6 gogos (I'm not counting Jungle Jims's) and only Baccara rubbed me the wrong way when they weren't busy. My behavior hasn't changed over the past week, so just taking this small sample, Baccara is definitely the exception. Had this been my only experience, I would have been less likely to think it was the establishment. Even if it were my first experience, I would think this is how they run since I have heard of some strip clubs that tend to operate in a similar manner. I've heard of a few similar stories I'm still struggling to even imagine what red flags and awkwardness would warrant a bouncer to block my entry until I bought a drink though.
Yeah we're all marks and never forget it, but all the marks have levels.Definitely, but as the saying goes, you catch more flies with honey. When there's plenty of other options that will treat me with basic courtesy, I'm not masochistic enough to waste my time or money at one that doesn't.
The Kaiser
01-19-23, 09:17
Round 2 at Nana plaza and time to check out the upper floors. I saw Spanky's first, and having heard good things about the place, I decided to check some of the other bars first. Walking past a lady with a folded pool noodle, Angel Witch came into view. Remembering that they have "sexy shows" every hour, I glanced down at my wrist and it was 10:00, so I thought it was the perfect time for this bar. I grabbed a seat in front of the stage and after first getting the wrong beer, I was presented with my usual Singha. Most of the girls on stage were older than I like, probably none of them under 30. They were definitely having fun though, evident from their expressions and the playfulness in interacting with each other. There was also a shower cubicle, or should I say shower cylinder in the corner with tips emblazoned across the glass. A lady was washing herself inside and I was slightly bewildered at the odd sight. There were posters above the stage and above the bar that read, "Ladies want your balls" with prices for ping pong balls, probably a relic from shows of the past I thought to myself. Speaking of relics, quite a few of the patrons were much older than I was used to seeing. One man hobbled over to the bathroom before returning and struggling to settle his bill. One of the managers had to yell and explain it him over the blaring classic rock. The way a few of the mature gentlemen were ogling the ladies was more the wide eyed stare I had come to expected from those that still needed to present their IDs for entry. I envied their joy to be honest as I was slowly nursing my beer in wait. A legitimately "hansom man" nodded over one of the ladies exhaling his e-cigarette fumes through his nostrils like a mighty dragon. It was as though Johny Signs himself was present in this bar and my sexuality may have wavered for an instant just watching the way he held himself with such confidence. As the clocked ticked to 10:10, I began to wonder whether and when the show would finally start, since I had decided to leave after watching one. Maybe a minute later, the lights dimmed and the ladies began descending as the DJ made an incomprehensible announcement. 4 of them returned with led lingerie covering the black bra and thong combo they were rocking moments before. The lingerie has cutouts for the breast and a cutout in the back that looked perfect for a bunny tail. Perhaps the upcoming Chinese New Year has influenced me more than I thought, since it was more likely for the tiny triangle of thong fabric. The performance was quite lackluster and the girls weren't quite in sync, but they did hammer the pool noodles in their hand loudly on the stage in time to the chorus. Next up, was a solitary blonde in a loose fitting black jumpsuit. A chair was slid across the stage and her performance was much better, even garnering a few applause from the audience at the end. Her's was a classic striptease, where she unzipped her sleeves and pant legs before flinging the torso of the jumpsuit to a man who made a show of gratefully putting it on. Following this was another 4 schoolgirls in sailor suits with the skirts pulled up to their navels, fully exposing their thongs. This dance involved the poles a lot more with a lot of grinding. The performance concluded with 2 of the girls donning 12 inch strap ONS to simulate sex. I couldn't help but chuckle as I settled my bill and the stage was once again adorned by girls in black underwear. The only girl I had found attractive was unfortunately my waitress, but I wasn't sure if chatting her up would be considered a faux pas, so instead I proceeded to the next venue for this evening.
*Damages:: 180 - Singha.
Rainbow 5 beckoned me in with the sheer number of girls on display. They had 2 full stages and plenty of girls mingling with the patrons. I took a seat, scanning to find some company while sipping on a very chilled Singha. None of the girls were to my liking, but only being able to inspect one of the stages, I waited for them to switch. The bar was beginning to fill up, so the mamasan asked that I move in to accommodate some of the newer entries. I obliged and a few minutes later spotted a cutie in a yellow bikini that was perfect. Unfortunately now being surrounded by men on all sides, it was impossible to get the attention of any of the managers despite the obscene amount of hand waving I resorted to. I had to literally get out and tell them the girl I wanted in one of the manager's ear. Recalling 11 Bravo's advice, I did not want my meal stolen from out under me again, but it was too late. The manager returned pointed to the man who had done just that. I spent a long time but could not pick an alternative. By some stroke of luck, yellow bikini returned to the stage and feeling exceedingly lucky, I strode over hurriedly to request her presence. Elle was cute adorned with many a tiny tattoo. A simple along the thumb, "start again" daintily adorning her wrist. Having bought her and the manager a drink, before I was to make a shocking discovery. SHE WAS ON HER PERIOD! No wonder that man didn't take her home. She even complained how she had lost 6 k that night on account of Aunt Flo. I decided to take a stroll to see if I could salvage the situation without leaving the bar and I found someone passable. I invited her over and found that Rainbow 5 counts a whiskey and coke as 2 drinks and not the mixed drink one would assume. I gave both the girl and manager a quizzical look before acquiescing, hoping this would get me a few brownie points with the girl who was looking a tad preoccupied. She would not stop texting her "sister" and it was utterly impossible to elevate her mood in the slightest. She excused herself to the bathroom and noticing her glass was empty, I didn't expect her to return. She did however, for all of 2 minutes, before asking to return to the stage. I decided to try and close, but she quoted 10 k for LT, I then asked her for ST thinking she was just giving me a ridiculous price since she preferred ST. Nope. 5 k for ST. I called her out on it before dismissing her. The manager came to enquire and I told her I had struck out again. I cleared my bill and headed over to the bathroom. They had an attentive attendant who would make space for you to wash our hands offering a freshly steamed towel afterward. He did gently wave his hand over to the tip tray and both times I fished out one of the bigger coins from my pocket to drop into it. As I exited the bathroom intending to leave, I caught sight of an absolute stunner. The gambler in me thought I had finally struck gold, so I asked her to follow me directly. Nan was unbelievably fun, only surpassed by how cute she was. She ordered just a coke and apologized for not drinking. After the whiskey coke situation, I was more relieved than anything, reassuring her that it was completely alright. When I was about to bring up the bar fine, she told me that SHE TOO WAS ON HER PERIOD! What are the motherfucking chances?! We both commiserated over the fact that she had lost 3 potential customers and I had lost 3 as well. I casually remarked that the menstruating ladies should perhaps have a different colored number badge, so that punters would know the prospects before wasting their money. She joked that I should become a manager here. She was extremely fun, so I decided to take a short menstrual history, in the hopes that I could possibly set her up for one of the following nights. 11Bravo's tip about keeping in touch for easy logistics was to thank for the idea, but to my misfortune she would likely remain on the rag till I left. I explained to her why I asked and she excitedly pulled out her phone for me to scan her Line barcode in the case that she would somehow be off her period before I left. I teased her that she had given me a fake name since she was actually Nuttawadee, scolded her pesky uterus a few times before asking for a kiss. She bashfully refused, only to give me a tight peck on the cheek as I turned my head in show of mock dejection.
One thing to note for fellow punters is that the cell phone usage on stage is unbelievable. I counted at least 5 who would be spending a not insignificant time on their phones fully exposed. I was a little impressed how they were able to comfortably keep the phones held in place by the thin strings of their underwear. I'm definitely adding this to my list of red flags when picking out a girl.
Three strikes, and I'm out.
Damages = 1350 - 4 Singha for me, 2 Tequilas, 2 Cokes, 1 Whiskey for the staff, and a generous amount of bad luck for free.
I ascended to the highest floor and the tasteful neon signs were a cut above. The presentation here is not something I would have expected from the impression I had of the plaza after seeing the ground floor. I had locked onto Billboard and my was the place fancy. A rotating carousel of girls at one end, a jacuzzi on the other end with topless girls and punters in a visible state of revelry. Great vibes all around, that was for certain. As soon as I entered, a mamasan dressed in a red and gold Chinese uniform instantly struck up a conversation welcoming me back and asking if I remembered her since she certainly remembered me. I didn't know if this was a ploy or she had had one too many mamasan drinks, but it was certainly the best reception I had had in any bar especially Baccara! I plopped myself onto an empty stool by the jacuzzi, catching the gaze of one of the topless hotties. I flashed her a wink and a smirk and she responded in kind- my night was FINALLY beginning to turn around I thought. None of the jacuzzi girls were to my taste, so I swiveled my chair to the carousel instead. The idea of a carousel is brilliant, allowing everyone to get a good view of the merchandise without having to change seats or take a lap of the bar. I spotted a Butterly tattoo on the shoulder of someone who looked good to me. It was only she who consistently caught my 3 over 3 revolutions and that was the amount of time I needed to decipher her badge number. I flagged down my long lost mamasan and moved over to a booth to get a little more intimate. She was fun and really confident. We danced a little after she too apologized for not drinking alcohol. When I brought up bar fine, I learned of a strange system at Billboard where LT bar fines cost more than ST bar fines- 1000 and 700 respectively. She agreed to 6 k for LT and I confirmed that meant the next morning, so as to not be surprised like I had been with my Baccara girl.
*Damages = 1745 - Bar fine, lady drink, beer, and a drink for the mamasan with a clairvoyant memory.
Back at my room, she like almost every other girl before her had to check her weight after the shower- 46.6. That's my cue to pick her up of course. She had set her boundary of not wanting me to go down on her early. On the taxi ride over, she had kept her nose covered because of the smell, so I figured she was picky about these things and CIM was likely off the table. She told me she wanted to play with me as she pulled out a bottle of Durex play from her bag. Her blowjob was very sensual and she straddled me and rode me for a couple of minutes before turning to reverse cowgirls and going to work! And work she did, pounding away for over 10 minutes with a consistent rhythm as I watched her love juices trickles down my little friend, punctuating it with a spank every now and then. We did missionary for a while and then doggy, before the condom began to dry as usual. Unfortunately bareback was definitely off the table today, and I hadn't replenished my stock of condoms. I was perhaps a little too overconfident after my previous few successes, and should have had a backup plan. She gave me a very long handjob before I tried to negotiate for bareback again, still no dice. She also wanted me to come, so we settled on a blowjob but without the ideal finish. Throughout our session, she had brought up her hunger a few times, but that she wanted to eat afterward. I had fully decided to order her some room service, but was a little more hesitant knowing that I couldn't penetrate her the rest of the night because of my poor planning. She asked if I liked Pizza in the shower and I responded no. When we got out she said she would go out and eat and I could sleep, so I reneged to ST and she accepted. Thinking about it sober, this may have been a soft invitation for me to accompany her and I could have possibly bought more condoms (if a 24 h store is a thing here), but at 3:30 AM I was just tired and despite our session, enough had gone wrong this night that I wasn't in the mood to do anything other than pass the fuck out. I pulled out 3 k for her and helped her pick the location on grab before letting her out and collapsing on my bed.
Total Damages = 6275 for a very long night. Fuck it! Fuck you! And happy fucking!
The Kaiser
01-19-23, 09:52
Someone even posted a photo of their shutters down of Google maps 2 days ago. I couldn't find meet the world on Google Maps either.
A word of thanks to Bravo, for helping me navigate this situation so smoothly! There were another couple of girls whose smiles asked me for an invitation, to which I simply responded sad smile and shook my head no.Glad I could be of some help. I look at it this way: it's a win-win situation when you immediately reject. If I'm not interested, I immediately tell her, "No thank you, I won't barfine you, I won't buy you a lady drink. If you sit here, you will just lose time". I've told innumerable girls that "you'll just lose time" in those exact words. They understand. A win for them, because I WON'T buy a lady drink from peer pressure. Likewise, a win for me, because it frees up MY landing slot for someone I might be interested in. MY experience, no girl will cut in on a colleague. If they try, they are just after a lady drink.
This is very enlightening, and here I thought pronunciations were hard enough. Fortunately I've had to develop my ear since I was pretty much tone deaf growing up, so picking up the tone is easier. Like humming along with a song in a language you do not understand. Plus the consistent tone would make the word less mistakable I think.Next time you're with a girl in a QUIET location, ask her how to say "No" and "New" in Thai, listen for the difference. Maybe you can hear it, I can't. Plus, that's a single, ISOLATED word, not the flow of a conversation.
Well, I don't think I'll be visiting Cowboy again this time, since I have yet to see the higher floors on Nana and Patpong. So I'll have to try and remember that for my next visit.Fair enough. Some bars ring your bell; in other bars, you get your bell rung (as in boxing). Some bars I just like, others just don't appeal for whatever reason.
But don't discount the underground tunnel. To kill some time during an afternoon, take a stroll along Soi 23 (the one at the far end of Soi Cowboy), turning left as you exit Cowboy. A block or 2 down, on the right hand side as you're walking away from Sukhumvit, there are several blocks of MP's with girls sitting outside. I have found a few gems there. Anyway, I always enjoy an afternoon stroll, even if nothing catches my eye.
Another member asked about salt-tapping. I'd strongly suggest a visit to Sakura Akasuri:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2760257&viewfull=1#post2760257
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2765270&viewfull=1#post2765270
One of the things I truly enjoy when I'm there and miss when I'm not. It's a MUST stop for me, if not once a week, then every other week. Nice way to kill 100 minutes in an afternoon. Popular with the Koreans, so masseuses can be limited.
Ah! I didn't figure that links weren't allowed in replies, so that makes sense.It's really links to competing forums which including will get you a yellow card (post deleted by admin). I'm just overly cautious.
The Kaiser
01-19-23, 14:40
Glad I could be of some help. I look at it this way: it's a win-win situation when you immediately reject. If I'm not interested, I immediately tell her, "No thank you, I won't barfine you, I won't buy you a lady drink. If you sit here, you will just lose time". I've told innumerable girls that "you'll just lose time" in those exact words. They understand. A win for them, because I WON'T buy a lady drink from peer pressure. Likewise, a win for me, because it frees up MY landing slot for someone I might be interested in. MY experience, no girl will cut in on a colleague. If they try, they are just after a lady drink.Agreed! Also I think that's a very simple and blunt way to put it. You cut any BS politeness that wastes everyone's time!
Next time you're with a girl in a QUIET location, ask her how to say "No" and "New" in Thai, listen for the difference. Maybe you can hear it, I can't. Plus, that's a single, ISOLATED word, not the flow of a conversation.I just tried it on my google translate app, since I don't know if I'll get a chance to in conversation without it being super awkward and jarring. New is very low, whereas no is higher by maybe 2 octaves (I'm no musician but I picked this up by singing poorly in their presence), no also inflects downward by maybe 1/2 an octave. The inflection is the easier part to appreciate since one is static and the other isn't. Again I noticed this listening to each word in isolation in a quiet location and paying close attention, similar to how I would listen to someone's heart sounds or breath sounds. When spoken fluently, it will definitely be much harder to notice. I would need to spend a lot more time consuming Thai media to even begin comprehending a few words.
Fair enough. Some bars ring your bell; in other bars, you get your bell rung (as in boxing). Some bars I just like, others just don't appeal for whatever reason. Oh no, I just thought I would spend more time seeing Nana and Patpong. I'm a completionist and a gambler, so I always like to exhaust all enticing options before I start repeating my favorites. That said, I noticed Patpong is about an hour by BTS and 40 minutes return by taxi, so perhaps I'll save that for my next visit and book a hotel closer. That is if Patpong is still alive. From all accounts it appears to be dying slowly, but people claim a similar thing about Nana and I had a great time at Billboard last night, so maybe it's mostly just standard nostalgia.
Anyway, I always enjoy an afternoon stroll, even if nothing catches my eye. If you sweat as much as I do, you must truly be a masochist. I can't think of venturing out before 5 unless it's important or air conditioned.
Another member asked about salt-tapping. I'd strongly suggest a visit to Sakura Akasuri:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2760257&viewfull=1#post2760257
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2765270&viewfull=1#post2765270
One of the things I truly enjoy when I'm there and miss when I'm not. It's a MUST stop for me, if not once a week, then every other week. Nice way to kill 100 minutes in an afternoon. Popular with the Koreans, so masseuses can be limited.I remember reading that the last time I was in town, but I don't think the scrub is my thing. I tend to scrub pretty thoroughly in the shower and my skin is much more sensitive than most. Thanks for the tip though!
Cha Chumplin
01-19-23, 18:42
10,000 long time makes sense.
If they are as Hot as guy is saying what's the point in going LT. 2 shorties will do.
6,000 quote short time. Somethings up there. It's still 3,000 as of last week.
2 girls on period could be coincidence.
I'm specifically pointing out Rainbow 5 price.
Star of Light. PERMANENTLY CLOSED. Someone even posted a photo of their shutters down of Google maps 2 days ago. I couldn't find meet the world on Google Maps either.Hey, let's be careful about rumors WITHOUT BOTG. Shutters down would be a good sign; when I was there in Nov=Dec 2022, there were 2 plywood sheets blocking the DOOR. Shutters down would be an improvement. And, be careful of Google map photos, especially street. Make sure you check the date of the photo.
In this post there are links to Meet the Woirld FR's. Make sure you know the prices before going, and CONFIRM BEFORE (as in "beer still 100 baht?"). You've been there before (OK, by reading FR's but sill ...) Beer: 100 baht, Lady drink (recommend to buy, buying removes her clothes when on the couch, if not before): 150 baht, BJ: 800 baht, FS: 1200 baht.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2777063&viewfull=1#post2777063
How to get there:
Assuming you'll be taking either the BTS or the MRT, both stations are on Silom. For the BTS, exit to the right (based on coming from Siam), continue walking in the same direction you were traveling in, right hand side of the street. For MRT, I always climb up to the elevated walkeway for the BTS, exiting just before the turnstyles.
Patpong 2's exit onto Silom can be hard to spot, so just walk to Patpong 1 (Google maps will have). It will be on your right; look for "PATPONG" on an arch over the road. Walk into Patpong 1, walking away from Silom. Take the first short alley on the right to Patpong 2. Find Foodland, the supermarket. That is your starting point of reference.
With your BACK to Foodland, turn right, walking away from Silom. 10 M from Foodland's doors, there will be an "opening" to your right where now there is a covered arcade along the right hand wall parallel to Patpong 2. When facing the arcade, there will be a beer bar on the right with bar stools. Just under the arcade, right where it starts, is the Star of Light.
Google "star of light" patpong images
with a select all when Google responds, and you will see something similar to what you should be seeing. What I saw was the window, with plywood sheets across the door. Maybe SOL has expired, but I'm sure a number here would appreciate an EYEBALL report.
Now, for Meet the World: as you are standing there, looking at SOL, to your left, there will be a stairway up to (I say 2nd floor). Go up to the 2nd floor. As you are facing the bars there, turn LEFT, so that you are again walking away from Silom. You will pass a gay bar section, continue walking (or not, up to you). Very near the end, will be Meet the World. If in the afternoon, most likely, there will be some women sitting outside, door open. If the door is closed, there MIGHT be another customer inside. Don't be bashful, just knock. And when I say "near the end" of the row, end refers to Suriwong Road, and it's just to the RIGHT of the last stairway up nearest to Suriwong Road. So when finished, exit Meet the World, with your back towards the bar, turn right walking away from Silom, and 5 M there will be a stairway down.
Oh no, I just thought I would spend more time seeing Nana and Patpong. I'm a completionist and a gambler, so I always like to exhaust all enticing options before I start repeating my favorites. That said, I noticed Patpong is about an hour by BTS and 40 minutes return by taxi, so perhaps I'll save that for my next visit and book a hotel closer. That is if Patpong is still alive. From all accounts it appears to be dying slowly, but people claim a similar thing about Nana and I had a great time at Billboard last night, so maybe it's mostly just standard nostalgia.For me, easiest and quickest way is to take the MRT from Asoke (down into the tunnel). Saves the long dog's leg and change at Siam on the BTS. Maybe 20 minutes on the MRT, only 4 stops. Forget taxis. MRT is the way, or if you want to catch the skylines, BTS. IMHO, you're missing out on a BKK experience without a Meet the World swarm. Great way to spend some time in an afternoon, and the MRT has a/c, and afterwards, grab a "nam-a-now soda" (lime juice with soda water) at the Foodland restaurant.
Patpong is dead. I rolled through there the other night.
ZenMinded1
01-20-23, 07:51
In this post there are links to Meet the Woirld FR's. Make sure you know the prices before going, and CONFIRM BEFORE (as in "beer still 100 baht?"). You've been there before (OK, by reading FR's but sill ...) Beer: 100 baht, Lady drink (recommend to buy, buying removes her clothes when on the couch, if not before): 150 baht, BJ: 800 baht, FS: 1200 baht.
Ah, MTW should thank you and this forum for added traffic.
Word of caution to fellow mongers though. While girls indeed provide awesome service and (depending on what's your cup of tea) it can really be awesomely depraved to eat out one lady while the other does her best to suck the living daylights out of you in the middle of a bar while you hold a beer, girls do seem to use some sort of mouth disinfectant which leaves my dick crying a transparent fluid for about 2 weeks. Whether its some sort of STD or infection I don't know (tested negative first time around across everything on my regular check), but I had to stop going as it kept recurring every time for me. Maybe I'm just sensitive to something and get an inflammation IDK, but if not for that MTW would be my nr 1 BJ / FS bar in Bangkok. Might still return for (oh the horror) CBJ, CFS (yup... if you hansum man bareback is probs easily available - was to me) and some DATY.
The Kaiser
01-20-23, 10:32
Hey, let's be careful about rumors WITHOUT BOTG. Shutters down would be a good sign; when I was there in Nov=Dec 2022, there were 2 plywood sheets blocking the DOOR. Shutters down would be an improvement. And, be careful of Google map photos, especially street. Make sure you check the date of the photo.Fair enough. The only reason I believed it was the photo of the shutters down from now 3 days ago. Google maps has given me erroneous info before as well. I was honestly hoping that perhaps someone on this forum had been in the past couple days to either confirm or deny.
How to get there:Very detailed, thank you. I'll still probably end up getting very lost and I'm sure that'll mark me out to the scammers on Patpong. Look forward to that report for a chuckle at my expense. I guess I can try heading there tomorrow afternoon. I'm planning on hitting Cowboy again tonight- maybe Dollhouse or Crazy House, but I'd like to at least know some of the legendary old haunts that have stood the test of time, since who knows how much longer they'll be around. I had thought about Thermae too, but the thought of negotiating with a free lancer gives me a touch of anxiety, especially with the reports of them favoring the Japanese.
Ah, MTW should thank you and this forum for added traffic.
Word of caution to fellow mongers though. While girls indeed provide awesome service and (depending on what's your cup of tea) it can really be awesomely depraved to eat out one lady while the other does her best to suck the living daylights out of you in the middle of a bar while you hold a beer, girls do seem to use some sort of mouth disinfectant which leaves my dick crying a transparent fluid for about 2 weeks. Whether its some sort of STD or infection I don't know (tested negative first time around across everything on my regular check), but I had to stop going as it kept recurring every time for me. Maybe I'm just sensitive to something and get an inflammation IDK, but if not for that MTW would be my nr 1 BJ / FS bar in Bangkok. Might still return for (oh the horror) CBJ, CFS (yup... if you hansum man bareback is probs easily available - was to me) and some DATY.I'm an unabashed degenerate and the picture you just painted is oh so tempting. I can stomach CFS, but CBJ is absolutely a waste of everyone's time imo. From what you're describing it could be a urethritis or prostatitis. There are a few uncommon microorganisms that could cause it, and with prostatitis, you often need a semen sample for a definitive diagnosis. It could also be a chemical inflammation, but with how the urethra is designed, it's very uncommon. Plus given that you mentioned no redness or swelling, I don't think it's chemical. One would expect to see some amount of local inflammation as well.
The only girl I had found attractive was unfortunately my waitress, but I wasn't sure if chatting her up would be considered a faux pas, so instead I proceeded to the next venue for this evening.Rule #whatever: it never hurts to ask. Yes, she's not up there dancing, exposing herself. But Thai culture is conservative and girls shy (I'd always find it amusing when the girl I'd seen dancing naked an hour before, now, in the room, did the disappearing towel trick: out of the shower wrapped in a towel, jumps under the bed covers, THEN out comes the towel). Some girls will work in the bar but not as dancers. Some will say no, others yes. Short answer: anyone in the bar MIGHT be bar fineable, you just have to ask. Besides, and I AM a sucker, if she was cute, I'd probably buy her a lady drink just because. With dancers, it seems to be expected. With a waitress, bet it would be appreciated and a thank you and a smile would be forthcoming and that would be worth the price for me.
Unfortunately now being surrounded by men on all sides, it was impossible to get the attention of any of the managers despite the obscene amount of hand waving I resorted to. I had to literally get out and tell them the girl I wanted in one of the manager's ear. Waitresses are not just there for DRINKS, but anything on the menu. Flag the waitress, tell her what girl you want. She'll get the message to the appropriate people.
Having bought her and the manager a drink, before I was to make a shocking discovery. SHE WAS ON HER PERIOD! No wonder that man didn't take her home. Well, Grasshopper, I see improvement, but why are you buying ANY drinks except your own UNTIL you have checked out the weather conditions. Certainly a girl returns because the contract price couldn't be agreed upon, that would be MY assumption, but I want to make certain inquiries before any cash leaves this Cheap Charlie's wallet. You are NOT there to woo her, she's there to convince you. And a drink for a mamasan is a SOMEtimes, not a given EVERY time, especially if you're about to leave.
She was extremely fun, so I decided to take a short menstrual history, in the hopes that I could possibly set her up for one of the following nights. 11Bravo's tip about keeping in touch for easy logistics was to thank for the idea, but to my misfortune she would likely remain on the rag till I left. I explained to her why I asked and she excitedly pulled out her phone for me to scan her Line barcode in the case that she would somehow be off her period before I left. Let me get this straight. You buy drinks before establishing THE possible impediment because you're shy?, but you're bold enough to inquire about history. Jekyll and Hyde?
So it didn't work out with her THIS time. But with a Line contact, next trip, it's a quick message: remind her who you are so it's not a cold call, ask how she is, where she is working, and if she is, tell her you'll see her xx night, then go early and make the deal. Thank you Line.
One thing to note for fellow punters is that the cell phone usage on stage is unbelievable. I counted at least 5 who would be spending a not insignificant time on their phones fully exposed. I was a little impressed how they were able to comfortably keep the phones held in place by the thin strings of their underwear. I'm definitely adding this to my list of red flags when picking out a girl.Agree 100%.
Three strikes, and I'm out.Hey that's MY line from 15 years ago ....
and I hadn't replenished my stock of condoms. I was perhaps a little too overconfident after my previous few successes, and should have had a backup plan. P4 P 101: NEVER assume she will have condoms, make sure you have an adequate supply. Also, to use with or without, some water based lubricant for the dry patches.
Word of caution to fellow mongers though. While girls indeed provide awesome service and (depending on what's your cup of tea) it can really be awesomely depraved to eat out one lady while the other does her best to suck the living daylights out of you in the middle of a bar while you hold a beer, girls do seem to use some sort of mouth disinfectant which leaves my dick crying a transparent fluid for about 2 weeks. Whether its some sort of STD or infection I don't know (tested negative first time around across everything on my regular check), but I had to stop going as it kept recurring every time for me. Maybe I'm just sensitive to something and get an inflammation IDK, but if not for that MTW would be my nr 1 BJ / FS bar in Bangkok. Might still return for (oh the horror) CBJ, CFS (yup... if you hansum man bareback is probs easily available - was to me) and some DATY.One way to check: spray some Listerine (seems common) on your dick and see if it repeats. Myself, I've never had any problems with anyone's mouthwash. The only thing I've ever caught there is Limpus Dickus or Bahtus Depleteus, and those only showed up after departure.
CBJ at SOL or MTW - the horror, the horror, but I will admit for the FS, I did use one.
But there is a first time for everything. Just yesterday, at an MP, the girl gave me hand sanitizer for my hands (OK), and literally spritzed my dick (from a mist bottle, just like you would an orchid) before the BBBJ. The misting was a new one for me, and I've been around a lot.
The Kaiser
01-20-23, 12:35
Time to see the venture into the oldest of the punter's playgrounds. I got there a lot quicker than I had first anticipated taking the BTS and changing over at Siam. At first I ended up taking a wrong turn only to be greeted by a rather loud drag show that had quite a lot of attention. Walking down this lane, I saw a number of other bars with performers dressed in drag and a lot of signs advertising gay nights and the like. It was very interesting to witness, and even though it's not my cup of tea, it's nice that the big mango caters to everyone's appetite. Inclusivity is something I can definitely get behind (no homo). Walking ahead, I saw a small sign with scrolling red neon letters advertising XXX bar and all I saw was a row of shutters. This couldn't be the way to Bada Bing I thought, but when I took a second look I saw a BB sign and thought maybe it was indeed. I was in fact mistaken and it was Fetish Bar. They invited me in when I waited for a tuktuk to pass the tight alleyway. Walking down further, I saw a few more bars scattered about and taking a brief glance inside, most looked rather lifeless. I think the biggest disadvantage that Patpong faces is it's layout. Nana and Cowboy and have most establishments worth visiting very close to one another which makes it very convenient for the majority of people in contrast to the branching small lanes of Patpong.
Entering Bada Bing, I saw that it was largely devoid of customers at 10 PM. There were all of 2 others seated watching the 6 or 8 girls on stage. There were an equal number of girls seated on couches or by the bar, either glued to their phones, munching on a plate of food or sucking down on their vapes. There were one or 2 who seemed passable, but I really wasn't digging the atmosphere. The DJ was doing a surprisingly good job even thought most of it the tracks were hip-hop, which isn't really my thing. The drinks were by far the cheapest I have had so far at 155 baht. One of the girls was giving it her all, even making solid eye contact and flashing me a wink, but I just politely refused and sauntered off to King's Castle.
When I took a turn, I heard a hawker trying to get my attention, which I simply ignored. The street I entered next had the more stereotypical tourist vibe. I saw a pair of gentlemen walk into a bar that read King's castle, but it didn't look like a doorway, so I decided to turn the corner instead. An older overweight woman beckoned me inside one of the bars, and even pointed out the girls who could keep me company. Since there seemed to be a decent number of girls available and reading King's Castle over the doorway, I decided to enter. There were a far few patrons here, and I saw the papasan bring the bill for my Singha. There was a row of girls on standing and swaying on stage as usual, but also a row of girls seated on the edge of the stage. It took me a while till I found the only girl I liked in the bar. She was a veritable cutie, but since there were no number badges here, I had to point and explain. Mamasan pull out a green laser pointer and ran used it to confirm my selection. After confirming, she continued moving the glowing green dot across my girl's chest. The laser pointer was also used to get the girl's attention interestedly enough. Noey joined me and ordered a shot of Tequila. She was a ball of fun, and after doing the basic questions that everyone asks, we moved onto our tattoos. She explained to me where she's from and that she had only been working there 3 days. She quizzed me on my Thai and even taught me a new word "Sung Cho", which means "cheers". I ordered her another tequila and one for myself as well this time before bringing up the bar fine. Apparently she wasn't available for that. I had always been under the impression that all girls on stage would be available. After my previous experience at Rainbow, I might have to start asking the mamasan before she brings the girl over. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get it across in the noisy environment of the bar, but it's better than wasting money on lady drinks and warming up the girl, when there's no endgame to be had. Both Noey and the mamasan kept pointing out a bunch of girls that I could take home, but I jokingly told her that she was the unfortunately the only girl I liked. Mamasan one upped me by offering herself, to which I did my usual of hamming up that she was too spicy for me to handle. I continue to chat up Noey for 5 or 10 more minutes planning to just bounce and look for another bar once my time with her ran up. Intermittently mamasan would point out other girls, who for the most part were not to my liking. Eventually there was a girl who had somewhat caught my eye before Noey. She wasn't a definite yes, but certainly fuckable. Just like on another instance in the past when I thought I might like a girl, I motioned for her to stand and after she did that, I motioned for her to twirl. The previous time I had asked a girl to do this in Rainbow 5, I had to politely decline, but this time I patted to the seat beside me. She came over, but Noey stayed. I bought the new girl a drink and continued to chat up Noey. It felt quite nice having a girl on each side. After maybe another 5 or 10 minutes, Noey asked me if I would buy her a third drink to which I playfully told her not if she wouldn't do the bar fine, playfully suggesting I'd buy her more than just a lady drink. She then rose, but I asked her to sit back down. She gave me a quizzical look, before sitting down unsure of what I intended. I simply gave her a firm kiss on the cheek and a pat on the ass to dismiss her back to the stage. Mamasan came over to ask if I wanted to buy another lady drink, but I decided to cut to the chase and pay the bar fine. Hands down the cheapest bar fine at 500 baht, but the new girl didn't do LT. Mamasan assured me ST could be for 2-3 hours. The new girl promptly got up and went to change. She had been silent the entire time she was seated beside me, so since the cab ride to my hotel was longer than usual, I would have to warm her up along the way. She returned in an oversized sports Jersey (it looked like American Football style with large numbers stenciled across the front). The finished her coke after mamasan translated what I had asked and I escorted her out.
Outside the street was almost barren, but there was a hawker beckoning me to come and watch a ping pong show. I have never quite understood the appeal of such a thing, but I suppose it would have been much more popular to those who haven't been spoiled by the internet. Sating that morbid curiosity is now nothing more than a search away at our fingertips and we need not go out of way to witness the bizarre and wonderful when we can kill a few minutes in transit instead. We walked past another "King's Castle" and glancing back I saw another sign, so I was left perplexed at the prevalence of this sign. Stopping briefly, so as to not ruin someone's photo of a truck that had been converted into a mobile barber, we got to the main road with motoring traffic. My grab had been booked, so I refused the eager taxi drivers who undoubtedly smelled blood in the water, denying them the meat they were craving. After a minute, she pulls out her phone, which I thought was a little rude, but then she points the screen at me and I read google translate telling me she doesn't know English. This was certainly an interesting turn of events. I would now have to think of how to warm up a girl with whom I could not verbally communicate in a broken manner. I was up for the challenge and this would be an altogether new and uncommon experience. Since her phone only had a Thai keyboard, I pulled out my phone for google translate to tell her that I didn't speak Thai. She nodded in understanding, and I responded "My Low", which got her to let out a soft giggle. My taxi driver had gotten lost despite the grab app having a built in GPS, so when the driver called, I handed the phone to my girl who explained to her where we were. When we were in the car, I realized that I didn't even know her name. I could ask, but the thought of being with a girl without knowing each other's names or anything else about each other tickled my degenerate senses.
Paying only 104 baht to the taxi driver, I guided my girl's hand to my arm and gently guided her across the foyer and lift lobby. I found I was able to communicate physically with her fairly effectively, so more or less decided to refrain from uttering a single word the rest of the night, letting body language me my means of communication. I kissed her in the lift and once again in my room, when she was seated on the bed. Gently kissing her as I undressed both her and myself, I moved to kiss the rest of her body, making my way to her honey pot, but DATY was off the table. I then lay down intending for her to perform oral on me instead, she suddenly looked hesitant. I thought she may be looking for a condom, so I cut off that avenue by rolling her back onto her back and getting on top of her, placing my friend pressed firmly at her entrance. In retrospect, she may have been trying to tell me that she wouldn't go down on me and wanted her phone or perhaps use her phone to ask me to put on a condom. I continued kissing her mouth, cheeks, ears and neck, as I teased her entrance with my little friend. Slowly penetrating her, we engaged in missionary before I switched to doggy and finishing inside her. I got some tissues from the bathroom and she then walked to the shower and I followed her. I gently bathed her, and I feel like she was very comfortable following my lead, judging by the broad grin I received after washing her. She then proceeded to wash me happily in reciprocation. Stepping out of the bathroom wrapped in a towel, she pointed to my weighing scale. She weighed in at 44.0 kg even, but wanted to the know the weight class of her opponent that night too motioning for me to step on the scales. As a result of my 4 k Korean BBQ meal and plenty of beer, I was up to 70 kg. I pinched the fat around my midsection and pouted sadly to elicit another chuckle before I picked her up and kissed her in my arms tenderly. Feigning to toss her on the bed, then gently laying her down, I then proceeded to kiss her gently. I pulled her under the covers, undid the towel, and kissed her breasts before I got on to continue foreplay. This time it was was a lot harder to get the physiological response needed for penetration and applying gentle pressure only made her grimace ever so slightly. After trying for a little while, I decided to use the trick I learned from another one of girls from this trip. I spat into my left hand, oiled my pistol and entered her with ease. After some time in missionary, I motioned for her to get on top. Unfortunately she had dried up once again, but that didn't stop her from gingerly attempting to milk me in the smallest of strokes. I pulled out and used some more of my spit as lube. Once she was a little tired, I pulled her in close to help her from below and she followed my rhythm, our pelvises moving in unison. Flipping her over to doggy, I fucked her for quite a while before firing inside of her once again. We showered again and when we got out she reached for her panties. Having been thoroughly satisfied, I walked over to the chair where I had flung her t-shirt and bra and helped her get dressed. Once she was dressed she pointed to me and motioned to put on a t-shirt. I normally don't get dressed while the girl is still in my room, but this time I put on a pair of boxers. She then asked me my name. For a second a felt a little dismay that this encounter would be anonymous no longer, but I answered her and asked for her name as well. Names didn't detract from the experience at all and in fact, I don't recall her name since I got asked for it as an afterthought. She then asked me my age and told me she was 20. All this conversation was whispered hoarsely and awkwardly in English, which surprised me. She then pointed to my boxing gloves and asked me, but didn't understand a word of my response, so those were probably the only 2 lines of English she had learned and she now felt confident enough to try them out on me. I used google translate to tell her that I box and I was learning Muay Thai in Thailand. Google translate told me she likes to cheer football. She then pointed to herself and said, " Argentina". I pointed to myself and responded, "Germany". I used my phone to mention that Argentina had won and she then nodded and with a broad grin just said,"Messi". Struggling to converse fluidly, she just said "hansom" while looking down at her feet before grabbing her phone again to tell me that "she'll be back". Figuring that this was just Google translate doing a poor job of telling me she had to leave, I escorted her to the door, making sure to give a few deep kisses before she left.
All in all, arguably the most tender and most GFE I've had so far. Also the best value for my money! Patpong may be worth another visit.
Until next time, fuck you, and happy fucking!
*Total Damages = 4,825 - 3 Singha + 1 Tequila for me, 3 Tequila for then girls, Bar Fine, ST with BBFS CIP x2 and a healthy dose of GFE.
The Kaiser
01-20-23, 13:09
Rule #whatever: it never hurts to ask. Yes, she's not up there dancing, exposing herself. But Thai culture is conservative and girls shy (I'd always find it amusing when the girl I'd seen dancing naked an hour before, now, in the room, did the disappearing towel trick: out of the shower wrapped in a towel, jumps under the bed covers, THEN out comes the towel). Some girls will work in the bar but not as dancers. Some will say no, others yes. Short answer: anyone in the bar MIGHT be bar fineable, you just have to ask. Besides, and I AM a sucker, if she was cute, I'd probably buy her a lady drink just because. With dancers, it seems to be expected. With a waitress, bet it would be appreciated and a thank you and a smile would be forthcoming and that would be worth the price for me.Noted! And yes, if they're cute enough, sometimes a smile and genuine gratitude from receiving something unexpected is worth the couple hundred baht. Now I'm kicking myself a bit, but had I taken her, I wouldn't have learned the oh so valuable lessons Rainbow 5 provided me.
Waitresses are not just there for DRINKS, but anything on the menu. Flag the waitress, tell her what girl you want. She'll get the message to the appropriate people.I tried! I use the term waitress, manager and mamasan interchangably for the most part. I was just too hard to notice (no pun intended this time sadly).
Well, Grasshopper, I see improvement, but why are you buying ANY drinks except your own UNTIL you have checked out the weather conditions. Certainly a girl returns because the contract price couldn't be agreed upon, that would be MY assumption, but I want to make certain inquiries before any cash leaves this Cheap Charlie's wallet. You are NOT there to woo her, she's there to convince you. And a drink for a mamasan is a SOMEtimes, not a given EVERY time, especially if you're about to leave.I'm slowly finding the middle ground for the mamasan drinks. I'm definitely more confident in refusing them, and slowly developing a gauge for when I think it will be worth the investment. I had another waitress pestering me for drinks multiple times over the course of my time batting. I refused her consistently, teased her and even asked if she she would settle for a bar fine instead. She was kinda cute, but I wasn't being serious this time.
Let me get this straight. You buy drinks before establishing THE possible impediment because you're shy?, but you're bold enough to inquire about history. Jekyll and Hyde?Well, professional experience means that I have never been bashful about those sorts of questions. It's not so much shyness, but I find getting down to business immediately too brusque. I prefer to see if there's any chemistry over the course of a drink or 2. After all, I may not even be interested in bar fining a girl who gives out too many red flags. Plus charming potential business partners tends to lead to smoother negotiations and more favorable terms. I'm mostly referring to actual business negotiations. Although upon reflection, I'd be better served thinking up a smooth way to bring it up as soon as she sits down. I only have 2 more nights to concoct such a formula, so time is of the essence!
So it didn't work out with her THIS time. But with a Line contact, next trip, it's a quick message: remind her who you are so it's not a cold call, ask how she is, where she is working, and if she is, tell her you'll see her xx night, then go early and make the deal. Thank you Line.I'm assuming that girls will not see you outside their workplace until a number of encounters leads to better rapport though, right? My girl from the PIMP ghosted me, and I'm honestly expecting the same from this girl.
Hey that's MY line from 15 years ago ....I guess I'm following in your footsteps, Mr. Miyagi. The next generation has some big shoes (among other things) to fill.
P4 P 101: NEVER assume she will have condoms, make sure you have an adequate supply. Also, to use with or without, some water based lubricant for the dry patches.I hadn't assumed she would have condoms, I assumed I would get BBFS, like I did with literally every other girl. This is the first and so far only bar girl who refused me despite me being very persistent. The lube is a good call too. Idk how effective spit is on condoms, and using lube might be called for when the girls refuse DATY.
Limpus Dickus or Bahtus DepleteusA Monty Python fan, I see.
gave me hand sanitizer for my hands (OK), and literally spritzed my dick (from a mist bottle, just like you would an orchid) before the BBBJ. The misting was a new one for me, and I've been around a lot.Well that's kinda pointless for COVID at least. It's completely pointless for sexually transmitted microorganisms and really of no value for the regular bacteria all of us have on our skins. She probably touched your unsanitised thighs with her hands picking up the very same bacteria. Some of these things are purely placebo for use to feel safe more than it actually improves safety. Just look at the metal detectors whose beeps are ignored. My dad has walked into several shopping malls, equipped with both metal detectors and mandatory bag checks, completely unhindered. It was only after one conscientious security check at a 5 star hotel that I learned his bag has a loaded gun at all times and it was only on this instance that he was asked to enter without it.
In retrospect, she may have been trying to tell me that she wouldn't go down on me and wanted her phone or perhaps use her phone to ask me to put on a condom. I continued kissing her mouth, cheeks, ears and neck, as I teased her entrance with my little friend. Slowly penetrating her, we engaged in missionary before I switched to doggy and finishing inside her.Did you consider she could become pregnant?
I ordered her another tequila and one for myself as well this time before bringing up the bar fine. Apparently she wasn't available for that. I had always been under the impression that all girls on stage would be available. After my previous experience at Rainbow, I might have to start asking the mamasan before she brings the girl over. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get it across in the noisy environment of the bar, but it's better than wasting money on lady drinks and warming up the girl, when there's no endgame to be had. As discussed here, they're known as Coyotes, brought in from an outside agency to add some quality and quantity to a bar, but usually not bar fineable, and even if they are, demanding a large price.
I kissed her in the lift and once again in my room, when she was seated on the bed. Gently kissing her as I undressed both her and myself, I moved to kiss the rest of her body, making my way to her honey pot, but DATY was off the table. I then lay down intending for her to perform oral on me instead, she suddenly looked hesitant. I thought she may be looking for a condom, so I cut off that avenue by rolling her back onto her back and getting on top of her, placing my friend pressed firmly at her entrance. Just about 100% of the Thais (and other nationalities) I've been with, it's customary to shower FIRST before any action (BJ bars the exception). Obviously, Thailand is a hot and humid place, and Thais pride themselves on being clean. (Hom = fragrant. Min = stinks. Compliment a girl by telling her "hom", insult her by saying "min"). While it may seem romantic to some to start without the shower, I doubt that a Thai would. A gripe I hear about certain nationalities is that they don't want to shower. I certainly could be wrong, but her hesitancy coupled with her lack of English might have prevented her from saying what she wanted - the shower. Just sayin ....
Step out of the shower with her, give her a hug, bring your face close to the side of her head, take a DEEP breath through your nose, step back, say "hom", watch her reaction. A beer says it's a BIG smile.
Hello,
I spent the past two nights walking around Nana and Sukumvith, as I remember time ago lots of freelancers could be found. The only thing I found was a ton of ladyboys of all types and sizes (some very feminine, but still with a dick in the pants!) and apparently no women around. I am not really a GOGO bar type of person, I don't drink more than 1 beer and I'd only go with friends for a laugh. Also the institution Nana Hotel parking lot was only showcasing ladyboys, while in the past was a good pickup area. Same for the bars down the Nana Plaza soi, they all ask you to buy a drink at the entrance so lot of push even to have a look inside.
Where did all the night freelancers go?
On a separate topic, I found that also daytime around Nana is pretty down. Tried Annies and found out they moved from Soi 2 to Soi 7/1, much smaller place w / o all the historic huge rooms with bathtubs. Also the lineup is pretty poor for a 2000 baths experience. Checked out Casalong and Lolita and ended up fucking a Kasalong cute 22 yo, but she was really the only one doable for me.
Any place I am missing for daytime?
Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?
All in all, not impressed by my first two nights in BKK, shame.
Just about 100% of the Thais (and other nationalities) I've been with, it's customary to shower FIRST before any action (BJ bars the exception). Obviously, Thailand is a hot and humid place, and Thais pride themselves on being clean. (Hom = fragrant. Min = stinks. Compliment a girl by telling her "hom", insult her by saying "min"). While it may seem romantic to some to start without the shower, I doubt that a Thai would. A gripe I hear about certain nationalities is that they don't want to shower. I certainly could be wrong, but her hesitancy coupled with her lack of English might have prevented her from saying what she wanted - the shower. Just sayin ....Whenever I have a girl come to my room she is usually late so I have time to shower ten times before she shows up. All the same, explaining I already showered is a no-go. I conspicuouly get hold of a towel and amble to the bathroom where let the shower make itself heard for some time before coming back to the bed. This charade is necessary, anything short of it won't do.
Crocodilexp
01-20-23, 18:29
I spent the past two nights walking around Nana and Sukumvith, as I remember time ago lots of freelancers could be found. The only thing I found was a ton of ladyboys of all types and sizes (some very feminine, but still with a dick in the pants!) and apparently no women around. I am not really a GOGO bar type of person
Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?
All in all, not impressed by my first two nights in BKK, shame.You're right that the proportion of ladyboy freelancers on Sukhumvit is uncomfortably high, but there are still some women around. Not great lookers, mind you, but female. Soi 4 all the way down is ground zero for freelancers, plus Soi 11 and the area near Thermae, the rest of Sukhumvit is less busy than in the past. Plastic surgery is cheap and extremely popular in Thailand these days, so many women now give off that that fake hard vibe that ladyboys used to have.
I'm not too impressed by Wood Bar. If you want a BJ bar, I'd try Duangporn's Haven, in a small soi south of Asoke (search Google maps for CityPoint hotel). It's a new location of Som's Haven, a well known BJ bar.
There's a still lot of commotion along Sukhumvit, and it's a great scene for newbies and optimists, but if you have been here in the heyday, you won't be impressed.
Wood bar was empty and 1 lady only around 11 pm.
Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?
Sukumvith still invaded by ladyboy from soi1 to soi 28. Maybe 3-4 ladies in total, only one possibly doable.
African ladies strolling, but I'm not here for black meat.
Am I missing anything or this is the situation in bkk now?
Hello,
I spent the past two nights walking around Nana and Sukumvith, as I remember time ago lots of freelancers could be found. The only thing I found was a ton of ladyboys of all types and sizes (some very feminine, but still with a dick in the pants!) and apparently no women around. I am not really a GOGO bar type of person, I don't drink more than 1 beer and I'd only go with friends for a laugh. Also the institution Nana Hotel parking lot was only showcasing ladyboys, while in the past was a good pickup area. Same for the bars down the Nana Plaza soi, they all ask you to buy a drink at the entrance so lot of push even to have a look inside.
Where did all the night freelancers go?
On a separate topic, I found that also daytime around Nana is pretty down. Tried Annies and found out they moved from Soi 2 to Soi 7/1, much smaller place w / o all the historic huge rooms with bathtubs. Also the lineup is pretty poor for a 2000 baths experience. Checked out Casalong and Lolita and ended up fucking a Kasalong cute 22 yo, but she was really the only one doable for me.
Any place I am missing for daytime?
Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?
All in all, not impressed by my first two nights in BKK, shame.
RahulMangla2009
01-20-23, 21:42
Hi all,
In the past (I visited Bangkok last in 2018), I used to head to Shock39 or Mixx for Uzbek / Russian / EasternEuropean girls. What are the latest places where I can find them? Realize that things have changed after covid.
RahulMangla2009
01-20-23, 21:45
Hi all,
What are the latest high end soapies to visit during day time? Last when I visited Bangkok in 2018, I was hooked to Caeasas palace I think I recall. But, seems like that has closed down (atleast google is saying so). So, where should I go for the high end girls?
RahulMangla2009
01-20-23, 21:46
Hi all,
Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?
You're right that the proportion of ladyboy freelancers on Sukhumvit is uncomfortably high, but there are still some women around. Not great lookers, mind you, but female. Soi 4 all the way down is ground zero for freelancers, plus Soi 11 and the area near Thermae, the rest of Sukhumvit is less busy than in the past. Plastic surgery is cheap and extremely popular in Thailand these days, so many women now give off that that fake hard vibe that ladyboys used to have.
I'm not too impressed by Wood Bar. If you want a BJ bar, I'd try Duangporn's Haven, in a small soi south of Asoke (search Google maps for CityPoint hotel). It's a new location of Som's Haven, a well known BJ bar.
There's a still lot of commotion along Sukhumvit, and it's a great scene for newbies and optimists, but if you have been here in the heyday, you won't be impressed.Yes I stayed near a walked past several times a day until I finally succumbed to the helllooos and ventured down to meet the girls. A couple of couple of really cute ones too. I went up to the rooms which are just but clean and then had a game of pool and a chat a couple of times. After being really well looked after. I had BBBJ and FS finish. So not much info on CIM or swallow girls but they are very friendly.
Can't remember how much but it was very good service and I would not bother going anywhere else. I am back soon and will call in and have a beer and a chat and take a couple of the girls for a spin for sure.
Hi guys, can anyone tell me me the biergarden is still open? I had some good luck there a few years ago. Thanks for any replies.
Whenever I have a girl come to my room she is usually late so I have time to shower ten times before she shows up. All the same, explaining I already showered is a no-go. I conspicuouly get hold of a towel and amble to the bathroom where let the shower make itself heard for some time before coming back to the bed. This charade is necessary, anything short of it won't do.Big grin, been there. I swear, I could answer the door in just a towel, DRIPPING wet, puddling on the floor, and she would still say, "You take shower, OK?" Learned a LONG time ago to just go with the flow, it's just easier that way.
Did you consider she could become pregnant?My thoughts too. I don't need any more squad members at my age. Condoms are far from fullproof, but certainly better than the rhythm method. I'm not all that familiar with the commonality of birth control pills with the wg's, but even if she said she was, I would have my doubts. Any comments from residents?
Hello,
I spent the past two nights walking around Nana and Sukumvith, as I remember time ago lots of freelancers could be found. The only thing I found was a ton of ladyboys of all types and sizes (some very feminine, but still with a dick in the pants!) and apparently no women around. I am not really a GOGO bar type of person, I don't drink more than 1 beer and I'd only go with friends for a laugh. Also the institution Nana Hotel parking lot was only showcasing ladyboys, while in the past was a good pickup area. Same for the bars down the Nana Plaza soi, they all ask you to buy a drink at the entrance so lot of push even to have a look inside.
Where did all the night freelancers go?
On a separate topic, I found that also daytime around Nana is pretty down. Tried Annies and found out they moved from Soi 2 to Soi 7/1, much smaller place w / o all the historic huge rooms with bathtubs. Also the lineup is pretty poor for a 2000 baths experience. Checked out Casalong and Lolita and ended up fucking a Kasalong cute 22 yo, but she was really the only one doable for me.
Any place I am missing for daytime?
Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?
All in all, not impressed by my first two nights in BKK, shame.Thank you for sharing this info with us.
I kept on reading conflicting information about availability of freelancers in Bangkok and Pattaya. Many posters on this forum said it is almost back to pre pendamic levels but whenever I tried to analyze the beach road videos on you tube, I could easily figure out that the numbers are barely 20% of what they used to be.
For the first time in my mongering life, I had to cancel a ticket to Thailand. No use flying to the other side of world just to see mongering world hit by bombs. Its pretty bad in other countries as well.
Looks like we will have to wait few more months for scene to pick up a bit.
Hi all, What are the latest high end soapies to visit during day time? Last when I visited Bangkok in 2018, I was hooked to Caeasas palace I think I recall. But, seems like that has closed down (atleast google is saying so). So, where should I go for the high end girls?Search "soapy". The Kaiser just wrote an FR on his soapy visit.
Hi all, Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?Plenty of MP's open in the daytime, I've found some very nice ones there. Suggest reading the
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!
thread. Newton York was also out and about daytime wise. Check the ROD's.
On a separate topic, I found that also daytime around Nana is pretty down. Tried Annies and found out they moved from Soi 2 to Soi 7/1, much smaller place w / o all the historic huge rooms with bathtubs. Also the lineup is pretty poor for a 2000 baths experience. Checked out Casalong and Lolita and ended up fucking a Kasalong cute 22 yo, but she was really the only one doable for me.Sorry, but talk about being in a cave. Annie's shut down in what 2014. A real institution, Annies, as was Aey. Both irreplaceable.
Any place I am missing for daytime?As stated above, plenty of MP's with FR's.
Unfortunately, Bier Garden, Soi 7, a GHOST of itself, at least in November.
My other option, if nothing at the Bier Garden, is a daytime stroll down Soi 23. Number of MP's a block or 2 on the right past Cowboy, number of girls sitting outside. Have found some gems there. YMMV.
Tonight I'll head to check Wood Bar in Soi 7/1 as reported in one of the report of distinction, I will report here. I understood is kinda of similar to the Soi 6 (Pattaya) bars, which are my favourite since you can sit and perform the squeeze test on the girl while having a relaxed drink. Anything like that in Bangkok?Depending on your tastes, Meet the World (search, plenty of recent FR's).
Cha Chumplin
01-21-23, 02:57
Hi all,
Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?Best is to lower your Expectations. Aspire to get Half way decent Girls.
Cha Chumplin
01-21-23, 03:30
Patpong is dead. I rolled through there the other night.Die-ing pre COVID.
Noted! And yes, if they're cute enough, sometimes a smile and genuine gratitude from receiving something unexpected is worth the couple hundred baht. Now I'm kicking myself a bit, but had I taken her, I wouldn't have learned the oh so valuable lessons Rainbow 5 provided me.Once got a LEGIT massage (shirt and shorts provided, NO extras) at a shop I had passed every day for a month, finally stopping in. 400 baht, paid with a 1000, change as expected, 500 + 100. I turned around to the SYT, she was giving me a wai, head down, and I tipped her ... with the 500, slipping it into her folded hands. She said thank you, and opened her hands obviously expecting one thing. When she saw the color, she was "ah, ah, ah" with a bit of dread look, holding up the bill. OBVIOUSLY, this old man was blind, and she didn't want ANY problems when he returned later to demand his money back. I just smiled, said Chai, kap-un-kap (yes, thank you). The look on her face was priceless; when can you make someone's day so cheaply?
I'm slowly finding the middle ground for the mamasan drinks. I'm definitely more confident in refusing them, and slowly developing a gauge for when I think it will be worth the investment.For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, but that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?
It's not so much shyness, but I find getting down to business immediately too brusque. I prefer to see if there's any chemistry over the course of a drink or 2. After all, I may not even be interested in bar fining a girl who gives out too many red flags. Plus charming potential business partners tends to lead to smoother negotiations and more favorable terms. I'm mostly referring to actual business negotiations. Although upon reflection, I'd be better served thinking up a smooth way to bring it up as soon as she sits down. I only have 2 more nights to concoct such a formula, so time is of the essence!Next language lesson:
Shaw shaw = slowly slowly.
Sue-wey = beautiful.
Sue-wey mak mak = very beautiful.
Yim sue-wey mak mak = very beautiful smile (Thai's love to hear they have a beautiful smile).
Though you'll often hear in response:
Bag-won = sweet mouth = flatterer.
Yes, being too brusque is not sanook. But neither is an immediate request for a lady drink. When I get THAT request, I just look at her and say, "shaw shaw". If she leaves, I say a silent thank you; I like the no brainers. If she stays, then how entertaining is she, how is her banter, and while English helps, it's not a necessity. I'm judging her attitude. But with the same mindset as "you'll lose time", I'm also pretty quick with the "you can spend some time with me?", prefaced by a "Yim sue-wey mak mak".
I'm assuming that girls will not see you outside their workplace until a number of encounters leads to better rapport though, right? My girl from the PIMP ghosted me, and I'm honestly expecting the same from this girl.I wouldn't know (seeing you outside of work), but I'd certainly guess that. But that is NOT my intention. It's just to keep the contact. I DON'T try to bypass the bar / shop, especially when a bg has a lady drink / bar fine quota. For a FEW, we ping each other about every quarter, just a Hi, how are you. They usually send a current photo which I appreciate. If nothing else, customer relations, though there is a bit of friends there.
But a perfect example is this: I had a Line contact, never messaged in 3 years. A week before my return, I sent a "Hi, how are you". No reply. Checked again, 24 hours later, no reply. Figured it was a dead address. But when I put on my glasses, nice thing about Line, it shows when a message has been read. It had been. So, tried again, this time with a proper introduction: a SHORT description (I don't blend in in Thailand) and my intentions, "coming back to BKK, if you are still working, would like to see you again". She said she was still working at the same shop. When I got to BKK, messaged her to set up the booking for me; I DON'T bypass the employer. She confirmed, and again, and again, and again. Very convenient to deal with the person directly, letting her set up the booking. Similar idea with a bar. Refresh her memory on who you are, you'll be back in BKK (don't be surprised if she misunderstands and thinks you're there NOW). I'd just say would like to see her again, buy her a drink in the bar. Now you know which bar, if she is still working. Or, if you want to roll the dice, say you'll buy her a drink and a bar fine (obviously, contract details have to be worked out), and you should be there around such-and-such a time (myself, I'm there early as I don't want to lose my place in her queue). I'd stick to that just to verify your cred. Works for her, she knows she should have a good customer (with bar fine). Works for you, you have that lady, provided contract details agreed to. My use, anyway.
I guess I'm following in your footsteps, Mr. Miyagi. Actually, I prefer Master PO (and THANKS Bunky}.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2776608&viewfull=1#post2776608
I hadn't assumed she would have condoms, I assumed I would get BBFS, like I did with literally every other girl. This is the first and so far only bar girl who refused me despite me being very persistent. The lube is a good call too. Idk how effective spit is on condoms, and using lube might be called for when the girls refuse DATY.Assume: it makes an ASS out of U and ME. Without a shower, I'd be very surprised a girl would want DATY (or BBBJ), all she would be thinking is "min".
(spraying a dick) Well that's kinda pointless for COVID at least. It's completely pointless for sexually transmitted microorganisms and really of no value for the regular bacteria all of us have on our skins. She probably touched your unsanitised thighs with her hands picking up the very same bacteria. Some of these things are purely placebo for use to feel safe more than it actually improves safety. The IMPORTANT point is, it was meaningful to HER, made her feel comfortable. Having the girl feel comfortable with you is all important, and having my dick in her mouth sans condom, with that rack wrapped around it, made me feel VERY comfortable.
I met a SYT at a bar in lower Suk a few days ago. We arranged a pool date at my hotel for later in week. I would pick her up at bar at 1 pm to pay her BF of 500 bt and then she wanted 3 k for short time. When I asked how long is ST, she said ST is from 1 pm to midnight so sounds live a good deal to me. A few weeks from now, I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location — Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok. I don't know yet whether this is the girl I want to take but she is obviously in contention depending on how our date goes.
You are correct. Lady Boys are proliferating all over lower Suk from Soi 1-28, especially around Sofitel and Hyatt to Soi 11. If you see a cute looking "girl", she is probably not a GG but LB. The only GG's I see in this area are woeful looking Milfs.
I don't know the going rate at Thermae as it’s pointless for farangs to go but not surprised to hear these prices and only Japanese punters appear willing to pay. NEP is even worse when you factor in bar fine, Lady drinks etc.
You have to now have some game and street smarts to be successful in BKK. Go to alternate locations, small bars, coffee shops, etc. And look for gems. They are around but it's a bit like sifting for gold in a stream. Patience and hard work now required.
Wood bar was empty and 1 lady only around 11 pm.
Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?
Sukumvith still invaded by ladyboy from soi1 to soi 28. Maybe 3-4 ladies in total, only one possibly doable.
African ladies strolling, but I'm not here for black meat.
Am I missing anything or this is the situation in bkk now?
HorseTrader
01-21-23, 07:01
I met a SYT at a bar in lower Suk a few days ago. We arranged a pool date at my hotel for later in week. I would pick her up at bar at 1 pm to pay her BF of 500 bt and then she wanted 3 k for short time. When I asked how long is ST, she said ST is from 1 pm to midnight so sounds live a good deal to me. A few weeks from now, I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok. I don't know yet whether this is the girl I want to take but she is obviously in contention depending on how our date goes.About 6 weeks ago I had two detailed discussions about vacation girlfriend rates. One girl was a very well preserved older girl (49, she claimed) and said she gets 2000 per day, but when I balked at the price she said for me it would be 1000 per day. A couple days later I talked to one of my ST Nana Plaza girls who claimed to be 21 and I was her first ever boom boom customer (555), she said 20,000 per week for her plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. Neither of these girls had a personality that I could tolerate for a week. Probably couldn't tolerate either for an overnight date.
I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.
The Kaiser
01-21-23, 07:13
As discussed here, they're known as Coyotes, brought in from an outside agency to add some quality and quantity to a bar, but usually not bar fineable, and even if they are, demanding a large price.I was under the impression that the Coyotes would be easily distinguishable from the rest, but I guess I was wrong about that. It's a pretty smart idea tbh.
Just about 100% of the Thais (and other nationalities) I've been with, it's customary to shower FIRST before any action (BJ bars the exception). Obviously, Thailand is a hot and humid place, and Thais pride themselves on being clean. (Hom = fragrant. Min = stinks. Compliment a girl by telling her "hom", insult her by saying "min"). While it may seem romantic to some to start without the shower, I doubt that a Thai would. A gripe I hear about certain nationalities is that they don't want to shower. I certainly could be wrong, but her hesitancy coupled with her lack of English might have prevented her from saying what she wanted - the shower. Just sayinYou have a valid point about the shower. For me it's just not built into my sexual escalation ladder, so I'll have to squeeze it in. I suppose it could also help make her feel comfortable for me to bring it up.
Step out of the shower with her, give her a hug, bring your face close to the side of her head, take a DEEP breath through your nose, step back, say "hom", watch her reaction. A beer says it's a BIG smile.I did this with the coyote at King's Castle since she was smelling her hair a lot. I just didn't know the Thai word, but I don't think she bought it. Her hair just smelled like her hair, but maybe she prefers the smell of perfume.
What are the latest high end soapies to visit during day time?Only visited Poseidon. The Office and Black Caviar are others I read about, but I don't think soapies are for me so I didn't try them.
Hi all,
Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?The PIMP is pretty pricey BTW. For daytime massage parlors would be your best bet. Smooci, sideline, any other escort and MPs where you choose from photos will likely leave you disappointed. Try to go to an MP and see the lineup in person. There are BJ bars as an alternative option.
For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, but that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?True, but it can help get her attention more quickly if I'm going to be spending some time there.
Next language lessonVery useful list Master Po! I only have one day to make them of use. I have just been saying "You're cute" and "You have a cute smile" where I graze their cheek. Throwing in some Thai would certainly make it more effective!
Yes, being too brusque is not sanook. But neither is an immediate request for a lady drink. When I get THAT request, I just look at her and say, "shaw shaw". If she leaves, I say a silent thank you; I like the no brainers. If she stays, then how entertaining is she, how is her banter, and while English helps, it's not a necessity. I'm judging her attitude. But with the same mindset as "you'll lose time", I'm also pretty quick with the "you can spend some time with me?", prefaced by a "Yim sue-wey mak mak".I agree about the attitude. Perhaps I should try that, but so far all the girls and all the mamasians immediately ask if I'll buy the lady drink. I thought it was standard practice since there might be some punters trying to get something for free. I read some emails on Stickman about brown people (colored in the original email) who split a single beer and a single woman amongst a large group of men. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other brown people who try and get a little company without having to buy the lady drink. Since I'm aware of the stereotype, I don't know what the effect of trying to postpone the First Lady drink a little bit would be.
I wouldn't know (seeing you outside of work), but I'd certainly guess that. But that is NOT my intention. It's just to keep the contact. I DON'T try to bypass the bar / shop, especially when a bg has a lady drink / bar fine quota. For a FEW, we ping each other about every quarter, just a Hi, how are you. They usually send a current photo which I appreciate. If nothing else, customer relations, though there is a bit of friends there.
But a perfect example is this.This is a good guide on how to approach it, thanks! My intent was primarily for the convenience and perhaps instead of spending time in a noisy, smoky bar, I could arrange a slower paced lunch date or something. I guess that's off the table unless she's freelance then.
The IMPORTANT point is, it was meaningful to HER, made her feel comfortable. Having the girl feel comfortable with you is all important, and having my dick in her mouth sans condom, with that rack wrapped around it, made me feel VERY comfortable.Can't argue with that, it's just a pet peeve of mine.
Banana Boi
01-21-23, 07:25
plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. Not sure why you would need to pay BF for a week if the girl wasn't showing up for work. All she needs to do is tell the bar she isn't working that week and to remove her from the shift.
I'm guessing what's really happening behind the scenes is the girl is trying to double dip. Say she needs to sell 20 drinks or needs a combination of drinks / BF for the week to earn her bar salary. What she will do is pay the bar's portion of the drink price (150 baht / drink x 20 = 3000 baht) so she can earn her 10,000 baht weekly salary.
But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time.
For me to spend a week with a girl she better be able to make me laugh a lot and speak English extremely well.
I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok.
If I were taking a girl somewhere nice out of Thailand like Singapore, Korea, Japan, etc. I would expect my price to the girl be zero. If I stay within Thailand or go to a less appealing country like Cambodia that's not as glamorous for the girl I think a fair price would be 1000 to 3000 per day. This really depends on the type of venue she works at and how popular she is. Is she a top end gogo girl at one of the big bars vs a barfly who hardly gets drinks and BF at a beer bar. Say she was a Thermae girl I'd be fair to pay her 2500 baht per day. Per above, I would not be paying any BF to any bar.
For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, but that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?
Last mamasan I bought a lady drink for was Mrs. Bryan Flowers in Pattaya. Was trying to take her away from the Soi 6 mogul with my cheap ass 1 drink!
Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time!Buddy of mine said back in 02, "Many guys don't come to Thailand to f& working girls, they come here to date working girls."
Wood bar was empty and 1 lady only around 11 pm.
Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?
Sukumvith still invaded by ladyboy from soi1 to soi 28. Maybe 3-4 ladies in total, only one possibly doable.
African ladies strolling, but I'm not here for black meat.
Am I missing anything or this is the situation in bkk now?That's what I saw last night. Plus thermae was empty at midnight.
Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?Are you white? Tall? Big? I'm asian not sure if that matters but was quoted 2500/2700 for the only two I found attractive on my first visit there. Was it earlier in the day? Maybe later on the price lowers? Think was around 1030 when I got my quotes.
Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time.
For me to spend a week with a girl she better be able to make me laugh a lot and speak English extremely well.Ah, the ignorance of youth, unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality. For relatively very little money, you'll have this subservient Asian beauty at your every beck and call, every whim, hanging on your every nuance, no will of her own.
The first day, everything's fine, it's an amazing adventure. The next day, he wants to do this, but she's tired, she wants to check her phone, catch up with her friends, sleep, post her adventure. But she goes along. The 3rd day, he's bored, her glow has dissipated, and she's tired of his annoying habits (we all have them). I'm amazed that there aren't more homicides, one way or the other ... Money is a glue for awhile, but to put up with another person, any person, MY experience, has to be more than just a romp in bed or cash in hand. All those originally unseen imperfections start to become apparent on both sides. Fantasy is fine, but then reality sets in. Even LT, excluding sleep, how many hours are you really interacting with the other, and then having to do that sequentially for a number of days ... One of those ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time. But maybe I'm just a grump. Personally, in Thailand, I have my regulars, once a week sufficient for several, but for the other days, always looking for different. I'm sure they're happy with that arrangement too.
Not saying it can't be done. Not Thailand, I travel with a friend in her country for weeks at a time. But we knew each other for almost a year, 1 night a week, beforehand, and she tolerates me quite well, which I truly admire. She enjoys seeing her own country (common interests), she speaks the language, I don't, and I set the itinerary and she handles the logistics. It works, but it's not something that happens instantaneously. You have to build up an immunity against the other person's irks ....
I looked for the pricing report under your name but could not find it. Do you know the number of the report? Nevertheless, it appears that given this particular SYT just started working at a local bar, not a go go, that between $1 k to $1500 might work. I don't know about the comment from the OP about no reason to pay a BF. This girl just started working there and they might take a dim view of her taking off for a week and returning tan and rested and the bar, where I met her, getting no compensation for her absence. But perhaps, the BF can be negotiated a bit.
As it is, I am not sure she would be the best company but it depends on how my daytime and early evening dates goes with her tomorrow. The other reason I was thinking of doing this is because I have read PhiPhi and AO Nong only have moderate nightlife and may not have a lot of spare girls around. Don't know about that since I have never been to either location. Also, like someone below noted, six days could be an eternity if things go south. Three days most couples could endure but after that…Maybe just take her to Ao Nong for three days, the flight for that location leaves and departs from Krabi to BKK.
I am also an older guy too so the idea of hanging in the bars on the beaches every night looking for a prospect does not sound all that appealing. I remember once going to Ko Samui and being quite disappointed about Lamang area. The talent was abysmal. A total waste of time. But for me, if the girl is fun and reasonably attractive and also does not bore easily then I might consider this option.
About 6 weeks ago I had two detailed discussions about vacation girlfriend rates. One girl was a very well preserved older girl (49, she claimed) and said she gets 2000 per day, but when I balked at the price she said for me it would be 1000 per day. A couple days later I talked to one of my ST Nana Plaza girls who claimed to be 21 and I was her first ever boom boom customer (555), she said 20,000 per week for her plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. Neither of these girls had a personality that I could tolerate for a week. Probably couldn't tolerate either for an overnight date.
I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.
My thoughts too. I don't need any more squad members at my age. Condoms are far from fullproof, but certainly better than the rhythm method. I'm not all that familiar with the commonality of birth control pills with the wg's, but even if she said she was, I would have my doubts. Any comments from residents?In my experience over the years most wg's who have been at it for any length of time will be using birth control pills, however, a frequent problem seems to be her forgetting to take it some nights, often due to too much alcohol, so even if she says she is "on the pill' it can't be 100% relied upon. The "morning after" pills are easily available here and often used too as a back up.
I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.Absolutely. For anything more than a one-off ST, the girl's personality, attitude, and fun-factor is as important, if not more important than her looks alone.
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