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Great pictures, . Sort of makes me wish I was there instead of here. Looking for the blood in the street, only see Songran happy people. Maybe govt. got caught in traffic and are late
Mackin
Yeah, I was thinking the same. I suppose its OK for a day or two, but I don't think I have the budget for 16, 000B a day.
I am off to LOS in Summer for 4 weeks. Do you guys think that 2500B a day would be OK?
I intend to make it a beach holiday and eating holiday too, and only want to fuck every 2-3 days, since I want to go to the temples and do lots of swimming too.
How much can I hire a girl for 3 days for? Do you get discounts for multiple days?
How much for a girl for 3 days? There is no set limit. They will let you pay as much as you can. If you are looking to get by for as little as possible pick up a freelancer so you will avoid paying a bar fine. Good place to do this in Bangkok would be The Beer Garden on Soi 7, The disco in the Nana Hotel or in the Nana hotel bar. Gullivers bar would be another choice. You may well get a freelancer for 1,000 to 1,500bt per day. They don't usually list a multi day discount but it is pretty much up to your ability to strike a deal.
NicFrenchy
04-14-09, 00:21
Songkran 2009!
God... look at that! grownups playing with Sewage water... Welcome to Westernized Thailand :(
I see miss Emmy is happy at least
It's dangerous on the roads!!!
Riots in the streets. Hords of heavily armored mob out there, waiting to attack innocent farangs. The government forces use water canons...
Blood everywhere - or is it only water :):):) ?
Songkran 2009!
Giotto
After I sent the family home on Sunday I had lunch with a girl from Long Gun at Big Mama (great restaurant). Since I was leaving early Monday morning she said I had to come back to Soi Cowboy for the Songkran festivities. So at 3PM or so I found myself in a scene very similar to that in the pics. Amazing time! Made me really wish I wasn't heading back to work the next morning.
Next year I'll plan to be around during more of Songkran!
I plan to be in BKK next week, the newspapers seem to be giving a bad picture of the whole situation, do you think it will be ok to come to monger or should I look at postponing the trip.
What is otherwise the current situation today.Boy Toy,
Yesterday was a difficult day - as The Nation called it the red shirts tried to implement some "urban-terrorism tactics" spread over several spots in Bangkok. Nevertheless - up to now they failed to mobilise enough "critical mass" support.
I think that today will already be much more quiet than yesterday, and we will see the protests shrink to a few spots in Bangkok, mainly to the area around the Government House. Even the UDD organizers admitted that things got out of control and protesters ran their own show - they will most likely try to turn the demonstration into a peaceful rallye again, because they know that they are losing the support of the people if they proceed with violence.
If you stay in the Sukhumvit area there should not be any problem at all. As for the Sathon, Chinatown, Dusit area - wait until Wednesday before you make a decision - if things are not sorted out until Wednesday all this will last longer.
Giotto
Guys,
Stay away from Chinatown / Government House / Grand Palace today.
It looks like the army will try to disperse the demonstration around the Government House today, and then this part of Bangkok will turn into a war zone.
Giotto
Old Thai Hand
04-14-09, 04:24
Guys,
Stay away from Chinatown / Government House / Grand Palace today.
It looks like the army will try to disperse the demonstration around the Government House today, and then this part of Bangkok will turn into a war zone.
Giotto
10:00: I just heard several loud explosions off in the direction of where the protestors are.
It's 10:26 and the soldiers are moving in on government house. I just heard 2 more explosions.
The military just issued a statement (10 am) that there will NOT be any action to disperse the demonstration at the Government House.
The protests there was called a "legal demonstration".
Giotto
Old Thai Hand
04-14-09, 05:08
Troops are moving in at some places.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30100503/Armoured-carriers-move-towards-protesters-in-front
I'm watching Thai TV and there are fires burning near the Yommaraj Intersection. They also set a traffic police booth on fire.
New reports (11:05) say that the redshirt leaders are about to surrender and have ordered the protestors to disperse.
Hi,
Thanks fo the update, its good to know that things seem to be getting better, I guess I will await your opinion and wait till Wednesday, its not every month that I get a chance to come here, waitng for this since a whlile, but don't want to ruin the whole experience by coming at the wrong time, so please keep me posted.
What is the scene otherwise in the major shopping areas paragon, central etc. I tried contacting someone, got no response on the phone. Dunno why they were closed songkran or the protests.
BT
Boy Toy,
Yesterday was a difficult day - as The Nation called it the red shirts tried to implement some "urban-terrorism tactics" spread over several spots in Bangkok. Nevertheless - up to now they failed to mobilise enough "critical mass" support.
I think that today will already be much more quiet than yesterday, and we will see the protests shrink to a few spots in Bangkok, mainly to the area around the Government House. Even the UDD organizers admitted that things got out of control and protesters ran their own show - they will most likely try to turn the demonstration into a peaceful rallye again, because they know that they are losing the support of the people if they proceed with violence.
If you stay in the Sukhumvit area there should not be any problem at all. As for the Sathon, Chinatown, Dusit area - wait until Wednesday before you make a decision - if things are not sorted out until Wednesday all this will last longer.
Giotto
StallionJr
04-14-09, 09:17
Hi Giotto,
Lovely pics mate. I got back home early this morning, had a good flight from BKK. Wish i could have stayed another day and celebrated Songkran with the LL team who made my stay in BKK such a wonderful experience. I will b posting my report soon.
Until laters,
Cheers Mate
Vik.
Old Thai Hand
04-14-09, 09:26
Hi,
Thanks fo the update, its good to know that things seem to be getting better, I guess I will await your opinion and wait till Wednesday, its not every month that I get a chance to come here, waitng for this since a whlile, but don't want to ruin the whole experience by coming at the wrong time, so please keep me posted.
What is the scene otherwise in the major shopping areas paragon, central etc. I tried contacting someone, got no response on the phone. Dunno why they were closed songkran or the protests.
BT
Most Department stores and Malls downtown, including Paragon and Central were closed because of the protests.
The government has declared Thursday and Friday as additional holidays to clean up the mess and restore some sort of normalcy.
Most Department stores and Malls downtown, including Paragon and Central were closed because of the protests...I just returned from Siam Paragon (Tuesday 5:30pm). It was open, but so quiet it was eerie. Only a few pretty girls around! ;)
Now that the "reds" are on the bus back to the sticks, I'm sure in a couple of days things will be back to normal. Spendy, trendy Bangkok ladies have to shop and strut somewhere, right?
The only evidence I saw of any trouble was a few soldiers stationed in the Siam BTS station. And they looked pretty bored (or relieved, maybe?).
It will all be a memory by the weekend for Thai folks.
10:00: I just heard several loud explosions off in the direction of where the protestors are.
It's 10: 26 and the soldiers are moving in on government house. I just heard 2 more explosions.I think from the news and the internet it looks ok to visit now, another 5 days or so things should get back to normal, I will go witrh my orignal plan and will arrive on the 20th as scheduled (had otherwise thought of postponing it by 10 days).
What was otherwise the scene at the massage parlors and soi cowboy during this emnergency situation?
I am not sure what to say ... but I just have not been the same since I loaned a Thai girl my abacus.
White whale, did you happen to see my abacus?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearsk
Seems like you blew through 16000THB in a day!
I calculated about 8000baht total if you read through (and not double count) it for 2 girls and an 'interesting' experience... BSD for sure; but sometimes it just feels good to telepath to these low lifes that we can be BSDs and not give a shit!! We a'int no english teachers ;)
I think the problems for US are over for now.
Don't want to seem insensitive with these pics, just want to lighten the situation.
I feel for all the people here. Red yellow, whatever.
It's dangerous on the roads!!!
Riots in the streets. Hords of heavily armored mob out there, waiting to attack innocent farangs. The government forces use water canons...
Blood everywhere - or is it only water :):):) ?
Songkran 2009!
Giotto
NicFrenchy
04-15-09, 05:27
Don't want to seem insensitive with these pics, just want to lighten the situation.
Did you take these pictures?
If you want to "lighten up" the situation, post some happy pics instead of these.
SE Asia Joe
04-15-09, 06:27
I think the problems for US are over for now.
Don't want to seem insensitive with these pics, just want to lighten the situation.
I feel for all the people here. Red yellow, whatever.
Ahhhhh...... from your pictures now I know what the Water festival in Thailand is all about.
Its' spraying water over everybody - right?
The more people you soak, the more blessed you are for the coming year - right?
The bigger your water gun is the better off you are - right?
There must be a prize or award for people who shows the most inventiveness and method to spray one and all sundry - right?
SEAJ
Ps. Apologies for making light of the situation - Pity... real pity what all is happening there.
StallionJr
04-15-09, 11:48
What should we do to beat stress?
Well that’s the question me and some pals asked ourselves when we caught up for a cpl of drinks a few weeks ago and the winning answer was ‘THAILAND’.
A cpl of weeks of planning and we were already on the flight to Bangkok. Our thai experience began the moment we boarded the thai airways flight, amazing service.
We landed at the Bangkok airport and took a cab to Livingstone’s Lodge Hotel, which cost us about 300 baths. On arriving at LL we realized that our check in time was 12 noon but the staff at LL was extremely cordial and checked us in 4 hours early for a very nominal cost. There was a very pleasant surprise that awaited us when we got to the rooms. Guess what? Free Upgrade to the Superior rooms with Jaccuzis, we couldn’t have asked for a better start to our trip. LL was the best experience ever, amazing rooms, comfortable environment, yummy breakfast, lovely bar, extremely friendly staff and Giotto is the coolest guy I have come across. He is so well informed about everything, we had a few very good discussions and I believe I have learnt some from him.
Day 1
Well armed with the info shared by Giotto, we headed out to explore and experience Bangkok. We spent a while walking around SUK area and finally ended up in DARLING (Soi 12) for a long awaited soapy massage. We were welcomed and taken to the fishbowl. Pretty well lite up and good interiors. About 10 girls on display. No rush, we took our time to choose the girl. I was looking for beauty as well as good attitude and that’s exactly what I saw in PAS (125). She was friendly and sexy from the word go, once we got to the room we were asked if we would like to order for a drink which I declined and she was ok with that. She got the tub ready and all the while she kept talking and interacting. This did help the chemistry between us. Off with the clothes and into the tub for the bath. The most amazing bath ever, her hands touched all the right spots. She was a complete GFE. I was hard as rock and she gave me a very sexy tit fuck and B2B. She helped me dry and we moved to the bed. A little kissing and touching lead to a very sensual CBJ and a wild cowgirl ride. There was no rush and we changed a few positions. We cuddled for a while and she gave me a nice foot massage. Round 2 was more intense and wild, lots of positions and we finished with my favorite ‘DOGGY’. She had a very sexy face, body and lovely assets. We spent some more time cuddling and making out before I walked out of DARLING with a smile on my face. She did give me her number but I was sure I wouldn’t call as I rarely repeat.
Face – 8 Body – 8 GFE – 9 Price – 2500 + 500 tip Room – Good interiors, spacious, lovely round bed and mirror’s everywhere.
We spent the rest of the evening walking around SUK area and caught up with some good thai food on the streets. Later that evening we decided to checkout Soi Cowboi.
Bar 1 – Sharks – Lots of young and lovely girls on stage.
Bar 2 – Suzie Wong – Average girls naked on stage and floor.
Bar 3 – Moonshine – Average girls on stage with see thru clothes.
BF was 600 Baths, Beer – 100 baths and lady drink 160 baths. This is more or less common with all the bars.
It was already past 11pm so we got ourselves some good thai dinner which is available every where and at a very reasonable cost and headed back to LL. On the way to the room I heard music and women at the sports lounge and decided to check it out. The music was really good and the girls were in the mood to party and dance. I had a good time with them and took back a lovely girl called NA (not sure, but I think that’s her name) to my room. She was again a complete GFE. We played around a bit, spent sometime in the Jacuzzi and then hit the bed for 2 rounds of ecstasy. Lots of different positions, CBJ and an amazing night. Drifted off to sleep with her in my arms.
Face – 7. 5
Body – 8
GFE – 9
Price – 2500 Baths
Look out for more in Part 2 of my report.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
What should we do to beat stress?
Well that’s the question me and some pals asked ourselves when we caught up for a cpl of drinks a few weeks ago and the winning answer was ‘THAILAND’.
A cpl of weeks of planning and we were already on the flight to Bangkok. Our thai experience began the moment we boarded the thai airways flight, amazing service.
We landed at the Bangkok airport and took a cab to Livingstone’s Lodge Hotel, which cost us about 300 baths. On arriving at LL we realized that our check in time was 12 noon but the staff at LL was extremely cordial and checked us in 4 hours early for a very nominal cost. There was a very pleasant surprise that awaited us when we got to the rooms. Guess what? Free Upgrade to the Superior rooms with Jaccuzis, we couldn’t have asked for a better start to our trip. LL was the best experience ever, amazing rooms, comfortable environment, yummy breakfast, lovely bar, extremely friendly staff and Giotto is the coolest guy I have come across. He is so well informed about everything, we had a few very good discussions and I believe I have learnt some from him.
Day 1
Well armed with the info shared by Giotto, we headed out to explore and experience Bangkok. We spent a while walking around SUK area and finally ended up in DARLING (Soi 12) for a long awaited soapy massage. We were welcomed and taken to the fishbowl. Pretty well lite up and good interiors. About 10 girls on display. No rush, we took our time to choose the girl. I was looking for beauty as well as good attitude and that’s exactly what I saw in PAS (125). She was friendly and sexy from the word go, once we got to the room we were asked if we would like to order for a drink which I declined and she was ok with that. She got the tub ready and all the while she kept talking and interacting. This did help the chemistry between us. Off with the clothes and into the tub for the bath. The most amazing bath ever, her hands touched all the right spots. She was a complete GFE. I was hard as rock and she gave me a very sexy tit fuck and B2B. She helped me dry and we moved to the bed. A little kissing and touching lead to a very sensual CBJ and a wild cowgirl ride. There was no rush and we changed a few positions. We cuddled for a while and she gave me a nice foot massage. Round 2 was more intense and wild, lots of positions and we finished with my favorite ‘DOGGY’. She had a very sexy face, body and lovely assets. We spent some more time cuddling and making out before I walked out of DARLING with a smile on my face. She did give me her number but I was sure I wouldn’t call as I rarely repeat.
Face – 8 Body – 8 GFE – 9 Price – 2500 + 500 tip Room – Good interiors, spacious, lovely round bed and mirror’s everywhere.
We spent the rest of the evening walking around SUK area and caught up with some good thai food on the streets. Later that evening we decided to checkout Soi Cowboi.
Bar 1 – Sharks – Lots of young and lovely girls on stage.
Bar 2 – Suzie Wong – Average girls naked on stage and floor.
Bar 3 – Moonshine – Average girls on stage with see thru clothes.
BF was 600 Baths, Beer – 100 baths and lady drink 160 baths. This is more or less common with all the bars.
It was already past 11pm so we got ourselves some good thai dinner which is available every where and at a very reasonable cost and headed back to LL. On the way to the room I heard music and women at the sports lounge and decided to check it out. The music was really good and the girls were in the mood to party and dance. I had a good time with them and took back a lovely girl called NA (not sure, but I think that’s her name) to my room. She was again a complete GFE. We played around a bit, spent sometime in the Jacuzzi and then hit the bed for 2 rounds of ecstasy. Lots of different positions, CBJ and an amazing night. Drifted off to sleep with her in my arms.
Face – 7. 5
Body – 8
GFE – 9
Price – 2500 Baths
Look out for more in Part 2 of my report.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Just curious about the CBJ. Is that your choice? If so, fine. That would be a deal breaker for me though. I am coming in May and no way am I traveling thousands of miles for a CBJ. No BBBJ, bye, bye.
StallionJr
04-16-09, 06:57
Just curious about the CBJ. Is that your choice? If so, fine. That would be a deal breaker for me though. I am coming in May and no way am I traveling thousands of miles for a CBJ. No BBBJ, bye, bye.The CBJ was my choice.
Big Bopperino
04-16-09, 10:04
I was wondering if anybody else on this forum has had problems with passports expiring in less than 6 months.
I was planning on traveling to Thailand on 4/19/09 and returning 5/4/09. I thought I was fine with these dates since my passport does not expire until 5/20/09. But just now, I read on a hotel website that the passport must have at least 6 months of remaining validity. Then again, the U.S. Dept of State site does NOT mention this requirement.
So, which is it? Has anyone tried and succeeded in entering Thailand with a passport expiring in less than 6 months?
PLEASE HELP!!! My travel window is closing and I can't wait for a new passport!!!
Member #3428
04-16-09, 10:40
I was wondering if anybody else on this forum has had problems with passports expiring in less than 6 months.
I was planning on traveling to Thailand on 4/19/09 and returning 5/4/09. I thought I was fine with these dates since my passport does not expire until 5/20/09. But just now, I read on a hotel website that the passport must have at least 6 months of remaining validity. Then again, the U.S. Dept of State site does NOT mention this requirement.
So, which is it? Has anyone tried and succeeded in entering Thailand with a passport expiring in less than 6 months?
PLEASE HELP!!! My travel window is closing and I can't wait for a new passport!!!
Hate to bust your arse but I would not advise that. I'm a dual citizen and carry a third diplomatic passport and my US passport was close to expiration and they denied me so I had to use my diplomatic one even though it was not really work which also violated a shit load of rules.
Of course you might even get busted at check in now adays and denied boarding. That happens in my country (non usa) a lot, not sure about your country.
I read on a hotel website that the passport must have at least 6 months of remaining validity
So, which is it? Has anyone tried and succeeded in entering Thailand with a passport expiring in less than 6 months?
PLEASE HELP!!! My travel window is closing and I can't wait for a new passport!!!
For something as important as this, is it too much to call the U.S or Thai Embassy/Immigration services? What if you get the wrong information from this sex board and get caught up in unnecessary immigration drama upon your arrival? I think that 6 month passport requirement is standard policy for most countries but recommend you go to the source and use this board for it's recreational purpose.
LittleBigMan
04-16-09, 11:29
Run Man is right! It's important! As far as I know it has always been somewhat of a unwritten rule. Twenty years ago, I wanted to enter China, couldn't get a Visa unless I went and got a new passport! Before they changed the procedure for renewal I ended up waiting nearly a whole day in S.F. at the office just to turn in the paperwork and paid the big dollars to get it back in 24 hours so that I could leave on my trip to China. Just go down to the office and let them know and pay whatever you need to get it right back.
LBM
Member #3428
04-16-09, 11:42
As far as I know it has always been somewhat of a unwritten rule.
It's not an unwritten rule, it is standard that you have 6 months on your passport to travel internationally and that is a rule for Thailand. There is some debate if they check and it's my experience they do check. I KNOW thai requires 6 months on your passport. However like everything else This is Thailand and strange things happen at times....
"“Usually, Immigration officers will not allow a person to enter Thailand if his passport will expire within six months of his or her arrival in Thailand.
However, the decision of whether to allow such a person into the country ultimately rests with the Immigration officers at the point of entry.
If you are allowed to enter Thailand, you will be allowed to stay in the Kingdom only until your passport expires."""
Some folks have slipped by however that was before and now in the past few years they have become more stringent in checking this.
day in S.F. at the office just to turn in the paperwork and paid the big dollars to get it back in 24 hours so that I could leave on my trip to China. Just go down to the office and let them know and pay whatever you need to get it right back.
If you are lucky enough to live near a passport office. Only some locations can return a passport in 24 hours or issue emergency passports. Honolulu is one location can get you a new US passport in a few hours.
We landed at the Bangkok airport and took a cab to Livingstone’s Lodge Hotel, which cost us about 300 baths. On arriving at LL we realized that our check in time was 12 noon but the staff at LL was extremely cordial and checked us in 4 hours early for a very nominal cost.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.300 baths. Thats a lot of bathing to do, showers are quicker.
Why oh why were you charged for early check in. That is appalling, I am always checking into hotels at 6am, 7am, 8am etc. And never get charged for early check in.
Quite awful that. If any hotel in Bangkok tries that then tell them where to stick their room, there are plenty of nice hotels with good prices who will not be so arrogant as to charge for early check IN.
I was wondering if anybody else on this forum has had problems with passports expiring in less than 6 months.
I was planning on traveling to Thailand on 4/19/09 and returning 5/4/09. I thought I was fine with these dates since my passport does not expire until 5/20/09. But just now, I read on a hotel website that the passport must have at least 6 months of remaining validity. Then again, the U.S. Dept of State site does NOT mention this requirement.
So, which is it? Has anyone tried and succeeded in entering Thailand with a passport expiring in less than 6 months?
PLEASE HELP!!! My travel window is closing and I can't wait for a new passport!!!
Usually if you have an American passort Thai will allow you in provided you show them your departure date proof. they know you can get a new Passport within a couple of days from the American embassy if necessary.
Ghatotkach
04-16-09, 14:24
Usually if you have an American passort Thai will allow you in provided you show them your departure date proof. they know you can get a new Passport within a couple of days from the American embassy if necessary.Most countries, in fact a huge majority, across the world will not let you enter if your passport is not valid for more than six months at the time of entry. This has been a rule for many many years. In fact, airlines have been advised to check passport validity greater than six months before they either issue a ticket or allow you to board. This practice has been stringently followed for the past few months for reasons we all understand.
Lord Farquard
04-16-09, 14:45
Usually if you have an American passort Thai will allow you in provided you show them your departure date proof. they know you can get a new Passport within a couple of days from the American embassy if necessary.
I went over with 2 months left on my passport, I did not know that the airlines checked. BUT, the airline had to call the Thai immigration before they would let me on the plane. They said as long as I had the return ticket they would let me in the country. Guess the airline did not want to have to find what to do with me until I could get a return flight. :) (I was flying from the USA)
If the airline lets you board without valid documents for entering the destination country, they are liable for 'shipping' you back to where you came from, should you be turned back at the destination.
This becomes even more important, if the port of embarkation is not in the country of you citizenship, since you might be refused entry there and the airline would have to ship you further to your own country!
The airlines don't care about your passport, but they do care about money!
................But just now, I read on a hotel website that the passport must have at least 6 months of remaining validity. Then again, the U.S. Dept of State site does NOT mention this requirement.
So, which is it? Has anyone tried and succeeded in entering Thailand with a passport expiring in less than 6 months?
PLEASE HELP!!! My travel window is closing and I can't wait for a new passport!!!
The State Department has nothing to do with this issue. The country you are visiting does. Most countries have the 6 month rule. All main Passport issuing offices (not the post offices and such) can issue a same day passport. Land up there first thing in the morning and you get it in the afternoon. You can download the forms from the web site.
I definitely would not advise you to take a risk of being denied entry to the flight or to Thailand. It's not worth it.
Good luck.
Deal Seeker
04-16-09, 17:36
I went over with 2 months left on my passport, I did not know that the airlines checked. BUT, the airline had to call the Thai immigration before they would let me on the plane. They said as long as I had the return ticket they would let me in the country. Guess the airline did not want to have to find what to do with me until I could get a return flight. (I was flying from the USA)I had a similar experience except I only had a month left on my passport but my return flight to the US was a couple of weeks before my scheduled return. I assumed that it had to do with the trouble in Thailand at the time, or bureaucratic hassledom on the Thai side.
Nite_Runner
04-16-09, 18:19
I was wondering if anybody else on this forum has had problems with passports expiring in less than 6 months.
I was planning on traveling to Thailand on 4/19/09 and returning 5/4/09. I thought I was fine with these dates since my passport does not expire until 5/20/09. But just now, I read on a hotel website that the passport must have at least 6 months of remaining validity. Then again, the U.S. Dept of State site does NOT mention this requirement.
So, which is it? Has anyone tried and succeeded in entering Thailand with a passport expiring in less than 6 months?
PLEASE HELP!!! My travel window is closing and I can't wait for a new passport!!!
If it is a US Passport - then you can forget it as the airline will not let you board. Goto US_DOS and there is info on the site that explains this. At my ofc, we have a rule that we get our PPs renewed at the 24-month mark...
N_R
One other thing, bring your airline ticket! You won't get anywhere without showing you really need the passport. I once traveled 150 miles to boston, because my passport was low on time, and I often travel with no notice. They said, mail the passport. "No ticket, no one day service, I don't care how far you traveled."
The CBJ was my choice.Got it. Sounds like you had a good time.
NicFrenchy
04-17-09, 02:12
Face – 8 Body – 8 GFE – 9 Price – 2500 + 500 tip Room – Good interiors, spacious, lovely round bed and mirror’s everywhere.
Are you sure you went to Darling? their rooms stink and are pretty shitty
NicFrenchy
04-17-09, 02:22
Why oh why were you charged for early check in. That is appalling, I am always checking into hotels at 6am, 7am, 8am etc. And never get charged for early check in.
Quite awful that. If any hotel in Bangkok tries that then tell them where to stick their room, there are plenty of nice hotels with good prices who will not be so arrogant as to charge for early check IN.
Not at all. Policies clearly state that you are not supposed to Check-in Before 14:00 and are to Check-out no later than 12:00. Most hotels base their rates on a 22 hours rental for a night.
Then there are special cases like early Check-in, early check-out, late check-out, cancellations, no shows... all these special cases incur charges.
I am laughing when people play the big man and say: "tell them where to stick their room" but on the other hand, agree to pay a 200thb fee to their Airline just to change the spelling of their name, or a minor change.
Get real
300 baths. Thats a lot of bathing to do, showers are quicker.
Why oh why were you charged for early check in. That is appalling, I am always checking into hotels at 6am, 7am, 8am etc. And never get charged for early check in.
Quite awful that. If any hotel in Bangkok tries that then tell them where to stick their room, there are plenty of nice hotels with good prices who will not be so arrogant as to charge for early check IN.Easy2007,
THB 300 was the taxi fee from the airport to Livingstones, you should read the original report again. Oh, and you forgot to mention that those guys got a free upgrade to a Jacuzzi room :) ...
NicFrenchy,
Easy2007 is on a [small] crusade against LL, because we disagree on some political issues here in Thailand - just forget it, its nothing of importance.
As for early check-in fees - to be honest, I have no idea how we handle that at the moment. I will talk to Auntie Guido and let you know.
Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Member #3428
04-17-09, 06:00
As for early check-in fees - to be honest, I have no idea how we handle that at the moment. I will talk to Auntie Guido and let you know.
Fee? There's a fee?
Hum... I did not have any early check in fee, nor late check out fee...
Maybe Auntie secretly loves me... Scary thought...
Oh and um... I forgot to mention the upgraded room also... I have to specifically ask for a certain room number cuz I keep getting upgraded to a higher class room.
Big Bopperino
04-17-09, 07:39
I was wondering if anybody else on this forum has had problems with passports expiring in less than 6 months.
I was planning on traveling to Thailand on 4/19/09 and returning 5/4/09. I thought I was fine with these dates since my passport does not expire until 5/20/09. But just now, I read on a hotel website that the passport must have at least 6 months of remaining validity. Then again, the U.S. Dept of State site does NOT mention this requirement.
So, which is it? Has anyone tried and succeeded in entering Thailand with a passport expiring in less than 6 months?
PLEASE HELP!!! My travel window is closing and I can't wait for a new passport!!!
Wow, thanks for the many replies.
I decided it just wasn't worth the risk of being turned back, even if the airline is responsible for my return. Getting right back on that plain after 19 hours of traveling would suck big time!
So here's my research and solution:
I contacted the airline and the Thai Consulate this morning and both gave me the same answer - NO, I will not be allowed entry to Thailand with my current passport.
But the woman at the consulate mentioned that I can go the nearest Federal Building and possibly have my passport renewed the same day. I called the USDOS number and they also agreed that this is possible, for a fee. I would also have to bring an airline ticket or confirmed itinerary to prove I'm desperate (Hmm, isn't driving to your regional Passport office proof enough!) Luckily a Federal Building is only an hour drive away. So I set up an appointment for the morning, and hopefully by the afternoon I'll have a brand new passport!!!
Will keep you posted.
-BB
Big Bopperino
04-17-09, 08:06
One other thing, bring your airline ticket! You won't get anywhere without showing you really need the passport. I once traveled 150 miles to boston, because my passport was low on time, and I often travel with no notice. They said, mail the passport. "No ticket, no one day service, I don't care how far you traveled."
You could try what I did when applying for my Brazil Visa, since they also require that you have an airline ticket. (Note that at the time I was not sure about my travel dates but knew I would be traveling within 90 days.)
Buy a 100% refundable airline ticket (yes, they are pricey) with your credit card and print out the receipt/itinerary. Present this as proof that you need an Expedited Passport (or Visa). Once you receive the document, cancel the ticket and get a full refund credited back to your card.
Worked for me.
-BB
NicFrenchy
04-17-09, 08:58
Will keep you posted.
Great, but please do so in the "General" Thread, Thanks ;)
Having lived in CA, and before that in the midwest. I can say nothing in the AMPs equals the experience or even the good massage as in Bangkok. For some reason costs escape my mind now (its been a few years since I left the states) but I guess 150 is the ballpark for massage+HJ/BJ/fs (at some places you can get one of the three and at others all or none), don't know how its faring in the current economy.
When you add in the cost of travel, having to get time off, possible spouse, and possible stigma of going to BKK alone as a single man. I guess you could be satisfied with the AMP experience. I was for a while. The massage was the primary reason to visit the places; and sometimes I'd rather visit a legit place than get caught with my pants down at an AMP.
Now that I can travel to BKK more freely, am a bit older (none too wiser), and don't have a spouse. And often can add the stop while on work expense, I shudder to think of those dinky AMPs in CA with thier average to fugly girls.If you check out CL for Vancouver Canada you'll see many ads for gorgeous Asian ladies in the erotic services section. Although a percentage of the pics are fake, reports indicate which ones are authentic, so if one is well informed success in finding lookers should be easily attainable.
Many of these ladies are Korean and provide what is being called the KGFE, which is different from anything I've yet enjoyed in Thailand. For example, as someone described it:
"Pic is accurate. KGFE very good, including big boobs massage, body licks all over, BBBJ, then she fucked me on top, mish, open mouth kissing, 160/45 min, 200/hr. Attractive face, easy to look at. Fun. As always YMMV. "
Prices in Canadian dollars, for an outcall, so 20% less for USD, and more or less an additional 25% off for an incall.
Regular massage is also offered to start, but was declined by this client.
Personally I've found a couple providers, one Chinese from Hong Kong & the other Caucasian at $100hr, or 3000 Baht, that are similar to a good quality LAS girl in BKK that I'd donate 1000-1500B/hr. So in Canada it's 2 or 3 times more expensive for me at the moment, without considering other factors like hotel, airfare, etc.
Maybe a more convenient option for some people than travelling all the way to LOS, and w/o the worries re the US legal system, since prostitution is legal north of the border.
BTW, for TG readers, no, British Columbia and Canada are not in Europe. And, American citizens, we don't all live in igloos.
300 baths. Thats a lot of bathing to do, showers are quicker.
Why oh why were you charged for early check in. That is appalling, I am always checking into hotels at 6am, 7am, 8am etc. And never get charged for early check in.
Quite awful that. If any hotel in Bangkok tries that then tell them where to stick their room, there are plenty of nice hotels with good prices who will not be so arrogant as to charge for early check IN.
Check in and check out rules are clearly advised in any hotel of the world and are pretty much similar.
Whether you are given the room before the check in time, is a courtesy of the establishment, whilst it is no arrogancy to deny that.
Simple trade rules. And practical rules too: a bit difficult to give you a room at 10am is that is occupied by a leaving guest whose check out is at 12 noon.
I trust you would also like your new room to be freshened up and cleaned after the previous guest has checked out...
If they charge a bit for the extra hours is a free host choice, that the guest can also not accept and just wait till check in time (usally appr 3pm).
Would you rent your car for 30 hours and get the fee of 24hrs'
I do not see the point you are trying to make, honestly
StallionJr
04-17-09, 21:03
Are you sure you went to Darling? their rooms stink and are pretty shittyHi Nic,
I am sure it was DARLING. I found their rooms to be pretty good and no way did it stink. The rooms at cupidy were definately better. Will be posting that report soon.
Cheers.
Pink,
From what you can read on the US version of this site, your guess on prices at AMP's is fairly close to the mark (negotiating skills and local markets can throw a few highs and lows into the mix though). Then again, most of the women have more than a few miles on them, to say the least, and then there's the rushed nature of most of the AMP's. On the flip side, you can (or so it is reported here) still get a good-looking Thai bargirl for roughly the same price for the whole night, multi-pops included (again, or so I have read here). To me, it's almost a no-brainer: much more bang (ing) for the buck in Thailand. Part of the reason I'm in the middle of planning a trip myself.
Not at all. Policies clearly state that you are not supposed to Check-in Before 14:00 and are to Check-out no later than 12:00. Most hotels base their rates on a 22 hours rental for a night.
Then there are special cases like early Check-in, early check-out, late check-out, cancellations, no shows... all these special cases incur charges.
I am laughing when people play the big man and say: "tell them where to stick their room" but on the other hand, agree to pay a 200thb fee to their Airline just to change the spelling of their name, or a minor change.
Get realWell, I can certainly say I have never needed to pay an airline to change my name, perhaps its because I know how to spell it in the first place when I book a ticket. As for minor changes again never had to pay, you must be buying super cheap charlie tickets if you have to pay for changes.
All hotels have policies, but most will not implement such minor ones as check in times.
I stay in hotels for around 200 nights a year, and not one will ever charge for early check in (even though I am checking in to some at 6am and 7am and 8am etc..)
Most will give late check out to 3pm or 4pm with no extra charge to.
With regards to them not having a room available at time of check in, they usually give me a breakfast or coffee shop coupon whilst I wait for a room to be cleaned, and then check in early once its done. Thats with no charge and they are giving me free things to pass the time whilst the clean the room.
Any establishment that really attempts to charge for early check in is a disgrace really in terms of service and "hospitality" and that is the nature of the business.
BTW, for TG readers, no, British Columbia and Canada are not in Europe. And, American citizens, we don't all live in igloos.Pink Pearl , good remark.
When I was in UK a wile ago , waiting on a traffic light to cross the road a couple elderly Americans where looking on a roadmap and the wife said to here husband , he look here a city called Manchester ? is that named after our place Manchester in Alabama ?
I couldn’t stop laughing and told him that almost every little town , city or what ever in the US is named after places in Europe with similar names , this due to immigrants from Europe more than 200 years ago.
They just continue to argue with me that this was impossible since America was older than Europe etc , at least it was the try worth to make a correction on there history knowledge .
John
Hi,
I am planning to go for first time to Bangkok next week. I am absolutely crazy about tall Asian girls. Where can I find Tall Thai girls? In which discos, shopping malls?
Are they approachable? I do not like the small thai girls which apparently are in every bar available?
Are the tall ones all transsexuals?
M P Lurker
04-19-09, 00:59
Hi,
I am planning to go for first time to Bangkok next week. I am absolutely crazy about tall Asian girls. Where can I find Tall Thai girls? In which discos, shopping malls?
Are they approachable? I do not like the small thai girls which apparently are in every bar available?
Are the tall ones all transsexuals?
This is not a ladyboy forum. For that you would have to go somewhere else. This forum is for real girls.
For that reason the following places should be avoided (too many lady boys): Patpong, Nana Plaza (especially Cascade), Sukhumwit road near Soi 5, etc
I know of real girls that are close to 170 cm, one in Long Gun, two in Tulip. There should be plenty more.
Member #3428
04-19-09, 01:02
This is not a ladyboy forum. For that you would have to go somewhere else. This forum is for real girls.
I not think he is asking about Ladyboy's I think he's afraid that all (most / many) of the tall girls are ladyboys.
Come to think of it, I was seeing some tall girls at cowboy and 33 last trip...
Exactly,
I am not looking for Ladyboys but for tall Thai girls.
Where I can find them?
Old Thai Hand
04-19-09, 03:54
Hi,
I am planning to go for first time to Bangkok next week. I am absolutely crazy about tall Asian girls. Where can I find Tall Thai girls? In which discos, shopping malls?
Are they approachable? I do not like the small thai girls which apparently are in every bar available?
Are the tall ones all transsexuals?
While I've seen a few tall girls in the bars over the years, they are the exception rather than the rule. I've recently been to the bars a few times, after an absence of several months and had forgotten just how diminutive most of the bargirls actually are, particularly those from places like Buriram and Surin. They kind of remind me of the chattering monkeys, one sees running around Lampang.
The tallest girls you're likely see around Bangkok, tend to be Thai-Chinese and are largely un-approachable.
They kind of remind me of the chattering monkeys, one sees running around Lampang.
When displaying the ignorance of racism it is advisable to use correct punctuation.
Coolio,
Fifteen years ago, I was easily the tallest person anywhere in Thailand.
Now, a generation on, Thai kids are my hight or more.
Be patient, it's just a matter of time.
M P Lurker
04-19-09, 08:19
Exactly,
I am not looking for Ladyboys but for tall Thai girls.
Where I can find them?
In the fashion shows. (Minimum height for true models).
The ones that didn't make it to be a model are spread everywhere. They don't have places just for tall girls generally.
Most are only tall with the high heels.
Extremely tall girls have a hard time in P4P as guys assume they are LBs.
Check out Noi dancing nude in Long Gun bar at Soi Cowboy. Tall (168) and georgous with fabulous natural Cs (maybe only B these days as she lost weight I think). But I don't recommend barfining her. She is difficult and bound to be a poor performer. Ask the staff which one is Noi in case she is not there.
Old Thai Hand
04-19-09, 08:44
When displaying the ignorance of racism it is advisable to use correct punctuation.
Ok. Perhaps you're right. Next time I'm in Lopbhuri (not Lampang-my mistake), I'll appologize to the monkeys. ;)
Ok. Perhaps you're right. Next time I'm in Lopbhuri (not Lampang-my mistake), I'll appologize to the monkeys. ;)Thai monkeys tend to be hairy all over, with long tails, poor hygiene, partial to bananas and peanuts etc. Thai bar girls tend to have little body hair, no tails and probably spend at least 2 hours on hygiene matters before coming to work. Are sometimes known to go bananas when offered peanuts. Thai bar girls maybe chatter, but this is a common human female characteristic so should not create too much confusion.
Should also be careful confusing human females with monkeys when thinking of sex, as some early theories have this as the genesis of HIV. Of course we all should know that the whole HIV issue is replete with mythology, but following Pascal's example why take a chance.
Tall girls can be found in cowboy doing so called coyote dancing - hard to judge with the high heels but definitely many over 165 and a few around 170 - relatively tall for Asia and the slimness also makes to appear taller. Also some tallish girls in Rainbow bar - although I seem to recall someone saying this place is 50% ladyboy they looked all female to me. Very beautiful tall, yellow blonde girl with very beautiful smile stands around soi 5 but as all the others there are ladyboys she probably needs some investigation. I invited her for a drink to have a chat but she only wanted to take back to my room - in a very womanish voice.
Exactly,
I am not looking for Ladyboys but for tall Thai girls.
Where I can find them?Avg. Thai height for girls is pretty small about 5', don't be looking for tall girls, you will end up fucking a ladboy unknowingly!
Old Thai Hand,
I just want to let you know that I , for one, do not appreciate your comments likening Thai women to chattering monkeys. Since you claim to have been around Thailand for a long time, I would have hoped that you would show more sensitivity to the Thai people.
Canyon
Member #3428
04-20-09, 00:02
Avg. Thai height for girls is pretty small about 5', don't be looking for tall girls, you will end up fucking a ladboy unknowingly!
Oh come on... What an exaggeration.
Yes many thai girls are short but I know a lot of tall girls and they are 100% female. There are tall girls at Cowboy, if you go to CM2 you can find relatively tall girls, and a few places on Soi 33 that have tall girls, 100% female.
I am 6-3 and I love short girls. When they get on their knees, they hit my cock just right. Around 5-0 is perfect. Also good height for standing Rimjob, one of my favorties. I am not attracted to the tall, thin Koreans. Thais are perfect.
Member #2041
04-20-09, 00:40
Oh come on... What an exaggeration.
Yes many thai girls are short but I know a lot of tall girls and they are 100% female. There are tall girls at Cowboy, if you go to CM2 you can find relatively tall girls, and a few places on Soi 33 that have tall girls, 100% female.
They're not tall once they are off of their 6 inch platform heels.
Old Thai Hand
04-20-09, 02:59
Old Thai Hand,
I just want to let you know that I , for one, do not appreciate your comments likening Thai women to chattering monkeys. Since you claim to have been around Thailand for a long time, I would have hoped that you would show more sensitivity to the Thai people.
Canyon
Oh, lighten up! Have you ever been around a large group of bargirls for any length of time? I think chattering monkeys is quite a propos. The gutteral manner in which they speak Isaan, which grates on my nerves is quite similar to chattering. Normal Thai women speak in soft, mellifluous tones. BGs speak like truckers and dock workers.
My comment has nothing to do with appearance, other than the discussion on height.
As for sensitivity to Thai people...You've obviously never worked with and for Thai people. When they start showing sensitivity towards me, I'll return the favor.
Anyway, while there are taller girls around here and there in the P4P scene, the vast majority of girls, especially in the bars are short because most women in Isaan are short, often due to poor diet when growing up.
The only place I've consistently met women of "normal" height is at work, where most of the women are Thai-Chinese.
LittleBigMan
04-20-09, 04:28
Coolio,.
You open a whole new can of worms with tall! I sugguest if you want tall and have to come to Thailand for business I suggest you go to a Thai massage and get a HJ, this way everyone will look taller since you will be looking up. Or just go straight to Soi 4, outside Nana Hotel pick the tallest and prettiest it and take it to your hotel room, be open, and turn the lights down and have a good time. Otherwise your percentage of tall is greater in maybe Latin America or Europe which is where you might want to visit instead of Asia.
I'm consider short in the eyes of a Farang since I'm Asian myself. But it shouldn't matter whatsoever. You need to be open and readjust your way of doing things. When you are lying down it all the same, if she is tall and I'm doing her from the back I have to stand up and if she is short I'm on my knees. If in missionary, she is tall I get to lick and suck her breast as if I'm breast feeding and if she is short it's DFK.If I eating her pussy talk or short it always seem the same to me except their legs hang over my back further. No different if you eating a pussy of a fat girl, the thighs are squezzing my head there is hardly any breathing room and it is sweaty. If I'm doing her missionary and I want her legs on my shoulder so I can lick her legs and toes at the same time I'm fucking her and she is tall it's not going to happen is it? I don't have that long of a tongue or all day so licking her calves is the best I can do. For a short women, it's heaven I can reach and get it all! In the end you need to readjust your thinking and deal with the situation tall or short.
LBM
Second Coming
04-20-09, 08:54
Who cares if they are tall or short? Frankly, I've never noticed a difference when they on their knees or prone on their back. Now a question or two
1. Why do the girls never have a condom? The last 3 girls all insisted they did not have a condom so of course I had to get one from my stash.
2. Why aren't they able tocarry out a simple dialog in English which has become more or less a common language of business. One would think that since these bar girls are businesswoman, they would pick up enough to carry out a conversation about climate change rather than limit their conversation to "today hot" "Tomorrow more hot"
Does anyone know of someone that can actually converse, is for hire, is pleasant to look at without clothes, and carries condoms?
I am 6-3 and I love short girls. When they get on their knees, they hit my cock just right. Around 5-0 is perfect. Also good height for standing Rimjob, one of my favorties. I am not attracted to the tall, thin Koreans. Thais are perfect.
And if the tops of their heads is flat, all the better.
Slim
[quote=old thai hand]oh, lighten up! have you ever been around a large group of bargirls for any length of time? i think chattering monkeys is quite a propos. the gutteral manner in which they speak isaan, which grates on my nerves is quite similar to chattering. normal thai women speak in soft, mellifluous tones. bgs speak like truckers and dock workers.
quote]
well put, oth. the coarse, gutteral, and shrill cackling of a group of isaan women is enough to drive any man crazy if you have to listen to it for long.
it's part of the reason there are so many isaan women in the biz. their men can't stand to listen to them all the time. i know this from spending many months up country.
the contrast with the soft, gentle, sweet sounding speech of central thai women, say those from ayutthaya or sukhotai, is remarkable.
the contrast with the soft, gentle, sweet sounding speech of central thai women, say those from ayutthaya or sukhotai, is remarkable.you have to be shitting me. you're serious.
ayut, suk, and phitsonulok women sound like overly agititated hens clucking in a hen house. whiners that just can't seem to get enough of anything and rolling out nothing but rumors rumors rumors under their breath. oh wait, sorry, that would be all thai women wouldn't it?
anyone relating to any human beings in thailand as 'monkeys' is in for gorilla sized trouble, a very big no-no here. apropos or no.
Cunning Stunt
04-20-09, 18:08
I am 6-3 and I love short girls. When they get on their knees, they hit my cock just right. Around 5-0 is perfect. Also good height for standing Rimjob, one of my favorties. I am not attracted to the tall, thin Koreans. Thais are perfect.
Had a really vertically challenged girl once. Can't have been an inch over 4' 6". Swear she hardly had to bend her back to give a bj in the shower. Plus she weighed no more than a fly so I was able to toss her around and assume some positions that would have put my back out with a normal size girl. Great fun.
Heres a pic. Note her hair was bigger than she is:D.
And if the tops of their heads is flat, all the better.
Agreed - a guy needs somewhere to park his beer whilst he is doing the biz!
1. Why do the girls never have a condom? The last 3 girls all insisted they did not have a condom so of course I had to get one from my stash.
There is a culture in America for the girl to supply the condom ... this ain't America. Some farangs want a particular type or size, so do you expect the girl to carry an inventory? Many of the free lancers around live hand to mouth and are pressed into service when the rent come up each month or there is some other need. In addition, in parts of Thailand, like the American South, contraception is seen as encouraging immorality and not taught about or discouraged.
Your label suggests you should buy at least 2 at a time. Try 7/11 (LOL).
2. Why aren't they able tocarry out a simple dialog in English which has become more or less a common language of business. One would think that since these bar girls are businesswoman, they would pick up enough to carry out a conversation about climate change rather than limit their conversation to "today hot" "Tomorrow more hot".
Does anyone know of someone that can actually converse, is for hire, is pleasant to look at without clothes, and carries condoms?
OK, so even though you have a tertiary education, your spelling, gammar and syntax aint perfect, neither is mine. The structure of Thai is different to English.
(OTH please interject, correct, flame me) In Thailand, the govt provides free education until the child is about 12 years old. Then the family have to pay a fee, which may not sound like much, but it can be for many families. So what happens is that the family prioritize and send the boys to school. The girls stay and work on the farm speaking Thai or local dialect until they get to a point where they want to explore and head to a bigger center. They arrive in the city (you can sit at a cafe and watch them get off the bus, if you like) with good farming skills - not much use - and little formal training in English. They get menial jobs that pay poorly and have trouble meeting costs.
As a result they head to Nana carpark or the BG and get to meet upright men like you and I. To do commerce they learn English but often just from queue cards and the guys they meet. Men that can speak Thai have a great time since there are a pool of lovelies out there that go untapped.
I have had experience with girls that I try to see each time I come to LOS, where they show up and stumble over English because they have been home or they are doing a course to get skills and have limited Farang contact.
So my friend, you will find gals that fit the bill for you, you just have to talk with them for a while. Its not such a bad thing to encourage them to develop other skills, including English. I have paid for course fees for a couple of girls - if you do this be really careful - scams abound and you need to make sure money goes to course. Some of the FLs are very smart, others are not but are willing to work hard to make a life, I admire that.
You are not a tight-wad. Hopefully when you go, you will leave something behind (not a baby) and maintain contact and encouragement with select girls who are not money and blood suckers. Alternatively you can donate to the Gates Foundation or similar.
I hope sharing my narrow understanding helps answer your questions.
BSK
BKK Dreaming
04-20-09, 22:04
QUOTE.... Many of the free lancers around live hand to mouth and are pressed into service when the rent come up each month or there is some other need. In addition, in parts of Thailand, like the American South, contraception is seen as encouraging immorality and not taught about or discouraged. ......
Also the police look thru the ladies purse and if they have condoms its evidance against them....at least when the Police have a round-up of FLs from Nana etc
I wish I could speak Thai as good as most of the girls around Nana , Soi Cowboy etc speak English ,
I do think it would be smart for the bars to have short english lessons for the girls , helps both the bar and girls make more money, but probably will never happen
BK
Longhardlook
04-21-09, 00:09
Canyon,
Whilst I genuinely do respect your well meaning thoughts, I must point out there are Thai Bar girls and non Thai bar girls in Thailand.
99.9% of the readers here will only ever hang out with the Thai bar girls and believe me, they are treated as the low of the lowest (not generally by the likes of us by the way) but generally by Thai society and they have their reasons to.
Being a prostitute (no matter what the guise) is in fact a big taboo in Thailand and if you do speak and understand the Thai language with all the dialectics and hidden subtleties you will soon learn two things:
1 How crude your average Thai bar girl is in the way she speaks and lack of culture.
2 How most Thai people from the police to shop assistants, and even the girl in Mcdonalds earning 200 baht a day for a 12 hour shift addresses this lowest of the low while smiling at the same time.
You may or may not know but when Thais smile or laugh it doesn't necessarily mean they are being friendly or showing warmth towards us when we are walking hand in hand with our new found bar girl girlfriends whether browsing in a shopping center or strolling past hotel reception prior to having a good session upstairs.
How must the average shop assistant working 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week feel when someone perceived as being crude and uneducated, dirty and uncouth because she is a prostitute with no respect for herself or family not only flaunts her expensive mobile phone but can be paid twice in a day (cash in hand and tax free) what that shop assistant or even a bank clerk or senior hotel receptionist earns in a month.
All foreigners or farangs in Thailand are labelled as sex tourists and without even knowing it we too are treated with that same disdain and how our own ears would burn if we spoke and understood the language.
Still, it's very hypocritical of them in that respect as Thais also visit Thai brothels but the big difference between them and us is that they don't go for the gf girlfriend experience afterwards.
There's some things we really don't want to know as most of us have a great time in the land of smiles.
Old Thai Hand,
I just want to let you know that I , for one, do not appreciate your comments likening Thai women to chattering monkeys. Since you claim to have been around Thailand for a long time, I would have hoped that you would show more sensitivity to the Thai people.
Canyon
LittleBigMan
04-21-09, 04:18
Second Coming,
1. As BKK Dreaming indicate it could be for those reasons along with the cost!
Maybe you should when you finalize the deal who is going to supply the
condom. But just as you indicated who cares if they are short or tall! who
cares who supply the condom as long as you have one!
2. As you indicated who care if they are short or talk. If you are looking at
more than sex then you might expect in the future that the deal should
be finalized with a higher price since she has more to offer than sex. Plus
you might want to look around! you're in a different country!
3. If you want
more I suggest you look at the Escort Thread but expect a higher cost
since she is a business women and has so much more to offer!
LBM
Old Thai Hand
04-21-09, 05:01
Anyone relating to any human beings in Thailand as 'monkeys' is in for gorilla sized trouble, a very big no-no here. Apropos or no.
I should think calling someone a buffalo (kwai) or monitor lizard (Hi-a) would result in more trouble.
BTW, Central Thais refer to Isaan people, especially from Buriram and Surin as "Na ling" or "monkey face" because of the high cheekbones, flat, squat noses, big foreheads and dark skin. Now, THAT's racism!
Again, I was referring to height only, and nothing else. But, I certainly wouldn't voice this out loud in mixed company. I'm not that crazy.
2. Why aren't they able tocarry out a simple dialog in English which has become more or less a common language of business. One would think that since these bar girls are businesswoman, they would pick up enough to carry out a conversation about climate change rather than limit their conversation to "today hot" "Tomorrow more hot"
Does anyone know of someone that can actually converse, is for hire, is pleasant to look at without clothes, and carries condoms?
(OTH please interject, correct, flame me) In Thailand, the govt provides free education until the child is about 12 years old. Then the family have to pay a fee, which may not sound like much, but it can be for many families. So what happens is that the family prioritize and send the boys to school. The girls stay and work on the farm speaking Thai or local dialect until they get to a point where they want to explore and head to a bigger center. They arrive in the city (you can sit at a cafe and watch them get off the bus, if you like) with good farming skills - not much use - and little formal training in English. They get menial jobs that pay poorly and have trouble meeting costs.
BSK
The Thai education system is one of the worst in the world. Thais don't learn. They memorize, then forget. They have no interest in learning anything. They have no interest in education for education's sake. Even if you happen to meet one who is supposedly educated and can speak perfect English, the conversation is still going to likely be somewhat bland and un-inspiring.
Thai English teachers can't carry on a conversation in English (they know all the grammar rules, though). So, how do you expect Thais who've studied English in Thai schools to speak the lingo?
English schools abound in this country because in fact, Thais never quite learn to speak the language properly, even after years of study. Most have no real drive to learn the language, but go through the motions because they think they should. Language schools bank on them dropping out, coming back and dropping out again.
One of the root causes of this lack of interest in anything of substance is that most Thais are quite content to remain in their little back-water of a country, speak Thai only, eat Thai food, only, watch appalling Thai TV, only and happily remain ignorant of the rest of the world.
BTW, even if you can speak Thai and Isaan, the conversations aren't going to be any more interesting. They still talk about "weather hot", "tomorrow hotter", and, of course eating - one of the major topics of Thai conversation.
I remember reading a while back on this forum about a restaurant where working girls will serve you dinner and service you at the same time. Does this ring any bells for anyone? Worth trying?
Cunning Stunt
04-21-09, 05:40
BTW, even if you can speak Thai and Isaan, the conversations aren't going to be any more interesting. They still talk about "weather hot", "tomorrow hotter", and, of course eating - one of the major topics of Thai conversation.
Hmm … weather and food. Maybe they were Brits in disguise?
Reminds me of that regular Fast Show sketch where Caroline Aherne played the Spanish weather girl in which the forecast was always ‘Scorchio’!
I remember reading a while back on this forum about a restaurant where working girls will serve you dinner and service you at the same time. Does this ring any bells for anyone? Worth trying?
Might be one of the 'no hands' restaurants that used to be popular amongst East Asians. Are they still popular? I don't know but someone sure will.
Canyon, Whilst I genuinely do respect your well meaning thoughts, I must point out there are Thai Bar girls and non Thai bar girls in Thailand. 99.9% of the readers here will only ever hang out with the Thai bar girls and believe me, they are treated as the low of the lowest (not generally by the likes of us by the way) but generally by Thai society and they have their reasons to."The Monger and the Prostitute" -- sounds like a good name for a pub. Prostitutes are considered the lowest of the low in most countries and are generally treated that way. Mongers get pretty poor treatment, (and no respect), in a lot of countries, too!
Being a prostitute (no matter what the guise) is in fact a big taboo in Thailand and if you do speak and understand the Thai language with all the dialectics and hidden subtleties you will soon learn two things: 1 How crude your average Thai bar girl is in the way she speaks and lack of culture. 2 How most Thai people from the police to shop assistants, and even the girl in Mcdonalds earning 200 baht a day for a 12 hour shift addresses this lowest of the low while smiling at the same time.Ah, the Land of Smiles. Hey, guttural paasa Isaan is like most regional ethnic languages, that is, it is used by lower class poor people to communicate their basic ideas. They really don't have much need to be articulate. Bar girls live in their own unique culture, (I'm stretching the use of culture here a bit), and most likely could give a hoot what the girl at McDonald's thinks about her.
You may or may not know but when Thais smile or laugh it doesn't necessarily mean they are being friendly or showing warmth towards us when we are walking hand in hand with our new found bar girl girlfriends whether browsing in a shopping center or strolling past hotel reception prior to having a good session upstairs.Usually, when Thais smile I figure they want money from me!
How must the average shop assistant working 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week feel when someone perceived as being crude and uneducated, dirty and uncouth because she is a prostitute with no respect for herself or family not only flaunts her expensive mobile phone but can be paid twice in a day (cash in hand and tax free) what that shop assistant or even a bank clerk or senior hotel receptionist earns in a month.Probably feels poor!
All foreigners or farangs in Thailand are labelled as sex tourists and without even knowing it we too are treated with that same disdain and how our own ears would burn if we spoke and understood the language.As my Thai bar girl gik says to me (a lot), "I don't care!!"
Still, it's very hypocritical of them in that respect as Thais also visit Thai brothels but the big difference between them and us is that they don't go for the gf girlfriend experience afterwards.Hey, Thai men can do no wrong, right? Maybe they know something that farang men don't? That the "bargirl cum girlfriend" experience -fondly known in the monger world as GFE- is way overrated!
There's some things we really don't want to know as most of us have a great time in the land of smiles.Hey, we all can go home at some point, right? Why worry about it?
M P Lurker
04-21-09, 08:26
Hey, Thai men can do no wrong, right? Maybe they know something that farang men don't? That the "bargirl cum girlfriend" experience -fondly known in the monger world as GFE- is way overrated!
Normally GFE refers to a hooker making your sexual experience either equivalent to or better than what you would expect from a real girlfriend.
I get much much better from Thai P4P than what my ex-wife could ever deliver, so its a bit hard for me to understand how good a real GF can be expected to be.
My Thai real GFs have not performed as well as the best P4P either.
Favourite P4P Thai girls are like semi-GFs (or Giks) in way as we can both enjoy the sex play thoroughly without them having to think they are just going through the motions for money. Thai P4P girls have a much higher percentage of girls willing to get their rocks off fully with the right customer.
When two people are both trying their best to please each other, and to enjoy themselves as well. That's what its all about for me.
I have had a GF most of the time for last 10 years, so P4P allows variety more discreetly without wasting time and having to lie to girls.
Now I have a problem. Young pretty & sexy P4P girls that perform brilliantly and GFE are going to be very hard to match by a regular GF? So will I ever be happy with a regular GF again unless she is also a super sex fiend?
Probably not.
The Thai education system is one of the worst in the world. Thais don't learn. They memorize, then forget.
One of the root causes of this lack of interest in anything of substance is that most Thais are quite content to remain in their little back-water of a country, speak Thai only, eat Thai food, only, watch appalling Thai TV, only and happily remain ignorant of the rest of the world.
BTW, even if you can speak Thai and Isaan, the conversations aren't going to be any more interesting. They still talk about "weather hot", "tomorrow hotter", and, of course eating - one of the major topics of Thai conversation.
I very much respect your scope on this. Many Western teaching styles were learn by rote not too long ago. Thais are very into their own culture even to the point of it being fatuous. However, they still have things to teach us beyond the third Buddhist precept. The balance even a BG has between sa-nook (fun) and gì-rí-yaa maa-rá-yâat (decorum) is fascinating.
Some rural folks are simple while others drink in the world. Most people from Isaan are straightforward and intrinsically nice - with rare but major exceptions.
Interesting discussion on this thread. Even if I didn't agree, I learnt some things. Hopefully I can remember as well.
I remember reading a while back on this forum about a restaurant where working girls will serve you dinner and service you at the same time. Does this ring any bells for anyone? Worth trying?
Jay - This may not be what you were thinking of, but your posting reminded me of a place in Phnom Penh that may match what you are recalling...
here's a posting of it:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=685761&postcount=799
Maybe there is something in Thailand as well?
GoodEnough
04-21-09, 12:10
This is a fascinating discussion to me. If you substitute "anywhere in the provinces" for "Isaan" and "execrable English for guttural ungrammatical Thai, you could just as easily be talking about the Philippines. At least I've not noticed dramatic differences between the two. I'll be back in a couple of weeks to continue my research.
GE
Old Thai Hand
04-21-09, 12:28
I very much respect your scope on this. Many Western teaching styles were learn by rote not too long ago.
Actually, rote learning, as it occurs in Thailand has not been seen in the West since at least the 1950s and probably earlier. It's not just rote learning here that is the problem, but the absolute dictatorial, omnipotent nature of largely, under-educated, ignorant Thai teachers, who impart large amounts of useless and/or erroneous information and will not tolerate students' questions. They expect blind obedience. Curious students who dare to question are disciplined, often through physical violence.
Thais are very into their own culture even to the point of it being fatuous. However, they still have things to teach us beyond the third Buddhist precept. The balance even a BG has between sa-nook (fun) and gì-rí-yaa maa-rá-yâat (decorum) is fascinating.
Some rural folks are simple while others drink in the world. Most people from Isaan are straightforward and intrinsically nice - with rare but major exceptions.
Thais are so "into their own culture", the importance of which has been exaggerated through institutionalized brain-washing, that they've developed a disproportionate and arrogant view of their own importance, not only within the region, but within the world. The result of their disinterest in anything outside their own country is that they are among the most ignorant people I've ever met. Your average Thai university student is no better than an 8th grader in the US (and, that might be generous).
Nobody's arguing that many of the simple folk upcountry are nice. And, perhaps there's some charm in their straightforwardness. But, personally as a teacher, I find the lack of interest in knowledge, the lack of a literary tradition or interest in developing one, and an overall lack of interest beyond the scope of their own experience quite appalling.
While for the moment, Thailand may see itself as the regional hub, and may in fact be the regional hub, in the not-to-distant future, unless they change their attitude, they will become an also-ran.
Normally GFE refers to a hooker making your sexual experience either equivalent to or better than what you would expect from a real girlfriend...
Now I have a problem. Young pretty & sexy P4P girls that perform brilliantly and GFE are going to be very hard to match by a regular GF? So will I ever be happy with a regular GF again unless she is also a super sex fiend?
Probably not.Longhardlook specifically referred to "the big difference between them (Thai men) and us is that they don't go for the gf girlfriend experience afterwards." You know, the holding hands, shopping at MBK, eating som tam part that endears the little crafty ones to so many visiting farang men.
Good sex is good sex no matter where it comes from. Along these lines, I am always surprised when I end up with a Thai P4P starfish as it just doesn't make sense to me. It's like a plumber who can't unclog a sink.
Soap Fan: You answered your own question in the last paragraph. You're in good shape as long as you have money and can find the right P4P provider to suit your tastes. From what I've observed in Thailand lately, you can do this all the way to the grave!
Thais are so "into their own culture", the importance of which has been exaggerated through institutionalized brain-washing, that they've developed a disproportionate and arrogant view of their own importance, not only within the region, but within the world. The result of their disinterest in anything outside their own country is that they are among the most ignorant people I've ever met. Your average Thai university student is no better than an 8th grader in the US (and, that might be generous).No "might be" about it.
Average third year university student: Place him/her in front of a map of the world, ask "Where is Thailand? " Invariably, without even thinking of looking at the names on the map, their over-inflated sense of Thailand's scope and size will have them instantly point to North America. It pisses Thais off to no end when you show them the reality.
Now, if you really want to have fun, try the same thing with a teacher. It's predictable but embarrassing as hell when they say "Impossible, impossible! Oh, but, wait.
Here is a great one I used to hear all the time in Chiang Mai: "Thailand must be the most wonderful place on earth, look how many farangs come here! "
Thai methods of learning are essentially based on the way boys were educated in the what for centuries, chanting and rote memorization. Hammering home the the "Five Precepts" then over-inflating the precious egos of young men about to enter monkhood. This was accepted as the standard method to keep control of male adolescence.
Talk about corrupting values to maintain the status quo?
Present day Thai schools: Chaotic classrooms, attempted rote memorization, the failure to do so, then cheating without consequence. It has become the way of life here and replicated ad nauseum throughout the Thai lifecycle.
Old Thai Hand you have a very good handle on what is going on here, thanks for your clarity.
I met a girl named MAY in New Wave Pool Bar, spent good LT with her, very cute and GF
I lose her phone number and I plan to go to find her at New Wave's (or at Gulliver because I know she go there sometimes)
She has a "working" friend named TUK.
Does anyone know her? Does anyone can give me some informations about her (phone, email by PM)?
I feel she's a good girl and I would like to meet her again
Thanks
Will be arriving Bangkok at midnight and departing for CM early morning. Any place to play. Close to Don Muang AP? Have only 5 hours.
Yes, I have RTFF! Nothing.
Many thanks. Report to follow.
Cheapy
I met a girl named MAY in New Wave Pool Bar, spent good LT with her, very cute and GF
I lose her phone number and I plan to go to find her at New Wave's (or at Gulliver because I know she go there sometimes)
She has a "working" friend named TUK.
Does anyone know her? Does anyone can give me some informations about her (phone, email by PM)?
I feel she's a good girl and I would like to meet her again
ThanksYou can see her pic here:
Sean_Double
04-22-09, 06:33
I don't tend to read the board when I'm in Thailand. I just got back to the US from a year just outside Chiang Rai yesterday; its nice to be back home, but I thought I'd just check in here.
It seems nothing changes, the same pedantic and boring posts by "Old Thai Hand."
For God's sake man, don't you have anything better to do?
Sean
I don't tend to read the board when I'm in Thailand. I just got back to the US from a year just outside Chiang Rai yesterday; its nice to be back home, but I thought I'd just check in here.
It seems nothing changes, the same pedantic and boring posts by "Old Thai Hand."
For God's sake man, don't you have anything better to do?
Sean
And what do you have to contribute besides nothing?
LittleBigMan
04-22-09, 09:10
Sean_ Double,
OTH, got 1800 plus post than you! I have never met the man and most likely will never since I'm just a farmer in the country out here in Chon Buri. I don't see eye to eye with everything everyone has ever posted here on the Thailand thread. But life is sometimes we agree to disagree and it should be no different when you post! Don't be a hypocrite! as Daddy07, what is your contribution aside from bitching? He calls himself OTH, I refer to him as the Professor! You might not agree with his experience or opinions but don't try to take away his right to express what all of each are doing here and that is expressing our opinions and letting others know what we have experienced and last stop this nonsense of saying he is generalising! We all are doing the same damn thing and then turn around and say he shouldn't!
LBM,
NicFrenchy
04-22-09, 09:47
It seems nothing changes, the same pedantic and boring posts by "Old Thai Hand."
Hahahahaha another smart-ass having a go at someone who, whether you like it or not, know more than most here about the REAL Thailand.
Stop trolling, sean double
Fun And Sun
04-22-09, 10:14
Chaps
Have just left BKK and gone on to Pattaya. BKK was great fun, but one thing that was markedly different from my last trip was that there are a lot less mongerers there than when I was here same time two years ago. Think there's quite a few people that have been worried about going because of the political situation here.
The upside of this is that my sense is that the girls are more keen on getting barfined, last trip I would be paying around 2,000 to 2,500 bhat to take a go-go girl for long time. This time around I was paying pretty much 1,500 for long time and they were happy with that. Had no trouble with getting things like filming and picture taking included in the 1,500 bhat either. Bar fines were 500 rather than 600 last time, and happy hour 50 bhat draft beer specials ran for the full night at many places.
Downside is that whenever I would venture into a bar there would not be that many girls on scene and they would look bored, then being swamped by mama-san and waitresses suggesting that I should buy lady drinks, balls (I already have two balls, why do I need to buy any more...) and so on.
Full report and some pictures to follow when I get back home.
Fun and Sun
AsiaTraveler2
04-22-09, 10:29
"The Monger and the Prostitute" -- sounds like a good name for a pub. Prostitutes are considered the lowest of the low in most countries and are generally treated that way. Mongers get pretty poor treatment, (and no respect), in a lot of countries, too! <cut>
Usually, when Thais smile I figure they want money from me!
<cut>
And when we smile at them, they figure we want sex from them! So be careful who you smile at! ;)
AT2
Cunning Stunt
04-22-09, 11:54
It seems nothing changes, the same pedantic and boring posts by "Old Thai Hand."
For God's sake man, don't you have anything better to do?
Sean is just expressing an opinion and I think and hope that this is still allowed here. I imagine OTH winds quite a few up with his 'last word on everything Thai' opinions and his denigration of those who have the temerity to disagree with him. Actually I thought he said several months ago that he was going to fuck off and stop boring us all blind, anyway. But seems that ISG is a drug he cannot kick.
Anyways, the guy doesn't need a lot of OTH clones running to his rescue when criticized. He is a big boy and can answer for himself.
LittleBigMan
04-23-09, 03:58
Gameahucker,
This isn't about picking sides but in all due respect you might want to read back a few post as far back to where this all started with Sean_Double. You might think for a minute and be consistent in your opinion which is within your right! That you criticize one and not the other! If you criticize OTH, would it not be consistent that you do the same with Sean_Double since he was the first to draw first blood by criticizing OTH for his opinion. In which I would like to quote your remark " Sean is just expressing his opinion and I think and hope that is still allowed here "
Sean_Double and you seem to miss that OTH is just expressing his opinion and think and hope that is still allowed here!
There are no other OTH clones nor does OTH need anyone to defend him and I'm sure he knows that he can defend himself. But you sir might want to stop being a hyprocrite and read back and practice what you are preaching!
At the same time you criticize us for coming and defending OTH, you did exactly the same with Sean_Double. I responded not for just OTH, but will and have in the past for anyone even Sean_Double or you. But this constant attack on a individual by other individuals that turn around and expect the same right and do exactly the same thing don't you view that as a double standard?
LBM
LBM
JohnnieBravo
04-23-09, 04:07
Hello Fellow Mongers:
I will be returning for a short trip to BKK pretty soon. I wanted to get some updated information. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with any DOM/sub scene in BKK? Like the club Bar Bar in Patpong for instance? Or any other for that matter? Any private providers specializing in this genre?
Thanks,
JohnnieBravo
NicFrenchy
04-23-09, 05:19
Gameahucker,
This isn't about picking sides but in all due respect you might want to read back a few post as far back to where this all started with Sean_Double. You might think for a minute and be consistent in your opinion which is within your right! That you criticize one and not the other! If you criticize OTH, would it not be consistent that you do the same with Sean_Double since he was the first to draw first blood by criticizing OTH for his opinion. In which I would like to quote your remark " Sean is just expressing his opinion and I think and hope that is still allowed here "
Sean_Double and you seem to miss that OTH is just expressing his opinion and think and hope that is still allowed here!
There are no other OTH clones nor does OTH need anyone to defend him and I'm sure he knows that he can defend himself. But you sir might want to stop being a hyprocrite and read back and practice what you are preaching!
At the same time you criticize us for coming and defending OTH, you did exactly the same with Sean_Double. I responded not for just OTH, but will and have in the past for anyone even Sean_Double or you. But this constant attack on a individual by other individuals that turn around and expect the same right and do exactly the same thing don't you view that as a double standard?
LBM
LBM
Very well said
NicFrenchy
04-23-09, 05:27
Hello Fellow Mongers:
I will be returning for a short trip to BKK pretty soon. I wanted to get some updated information. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with any DOM/sub scene in BKK? Like the club Bar Bar in Patpong for instance? Or any other for that matter? Any private providers specializing in this genre?
Thanks,
JohnnieBravo
There is also Chateau JAde Soi 33, you might want to check them out: http://www.chateaujade.com/
Also Black Lotus: http://blacklotus-bangkok.com/bondage_thailand.html
...someone who, whether you like it or not, know more than most here about the REAL Thailand.
There's no shortage of grouchy, critical old racist expats, though, nic.
Apparently there used to be one in BKK:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=342515&postcount=107
Jay - This may not be what you were thinking of, but your posting reminded me of a place in Phnom Penh that may match what you are recalling...
here's a posting of it:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=685761&postcount=799
Maybe there is something in Thailand as well?
Cunning Stunt
04-23-09, 06:58
LickleBiMan
Oh, don’t be so intense – just having a little fun. Although this has happened plenty of times. Someone has the temerity to criticize one of the established posters (remember that number of posts does not necessarily equate to greater experience and knowledge - just more free time on hand to waste – myself included) and all his cronies gang up on the unfortunate individual. But the small guy (infrequent poster/regular member) has just as much right to state an opinion, however controversial, as the rest of us, and it is refreshing when he does so as most lack the stomach.
In truth, I happen to agree with Sean. Although I do recognize the great contribution of OTH has made to the Thai Forum, he does often come across as a pompous, bombastic windbag who is obviously none too fond of the people in whose country he is a guest.
So if a member tell it as he sees it and I happen to concur, and that member is attacked, I tend to think it would be hypocritical NOT to speak up in his defense.
G
Apparently there used to be one in BKK:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=342515&postcount=107
There used to be many of them, particularly in the Patpong area, but guess they have rather gone out of fashion.
They used to be very popular amongst East Asian, particularly Japanese. I guess they are loosely based on the Geisha concept.
Don't think any hanky panky went on in the premises although girls were available to BF.
Could never see the appeal myself. I stopped being fed and watered by a woman when I was about 4 years old and have no particularly desire to regress although I could appreciate the kinky thrill it might give some. Same as some guys like to dress up in enormous nappies and get spanked by 'mommies':D.
...Although I do recognize the great contribution of OTH has made to the Thai Forum, he does often come across as a pompous, bombastic windbag who is obviously none too fond of the people in whose country he is a guest...
Yes, but that's what makes him so much fun. :D
i rarely go to patpong, so never been to star of light, but it sounds like exactly the kind of place i'm looking for. will definitely visit on my next trip. are there any others like it? [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) sounds like a different scene and not my type. i've been to afterskool and didn't care for it much - a bunch of girls swarmed me the moment i entered; continuously kept pestering me to buy drinks for >5 girls and refused to do bbbj. there was absolutely no focus on service. would appreciate any recommendations, especially in the sukhumvit area (nep or soi cowboy).
LittleBigMan
04-23-09, 08:52
Gamahucker,
No one especially myself is being intense. Don't try to throw humor into this when you are wrong and stepping all over your own words. I'm all for having fun! I'm no ones fucking cronie just as you sticking up for Sean_Double doesn't mean you are his cronie.
I believe as you that the number of post doesn't mean it equates to greater knowledge and experience. Read my lips....and comprehend... I personally don't care if a person has 1,000 post or 1 post they have a right to express themselves on this board and agree or disagreed but it is a fact that the one that did the attacking is and was Sean_Double! So.. your individual defense just doesn't hold water since he was the one that started the attacking.
It shouldn't matter what you think of the OTH, or any individual that makes a post. Read it, like it or dislike it, respond or don't respond and move on. One doesn't need to stoop so low as to start calling individuals pompous, bombistic windbag or responding to a post by redefining another person handle! when you don't like something that is said. As I'm writing this back to you I have a few names for you too and I'm sure many reading this thread have for you too! but personally I'm not going to waste my time or energy no matter how much time I have on my hands.
You come across as a smart fella and surely you have a grasped of words like temerity but personally and I can't speak for others on this board but you contradict yourself in your reply posting which lends me to think you aren't exactly comprehending what is really being said. If I'm wrong I apologize but I'm interested to hear from others if I your reply posting contradicts your defense for Sean_Double.
In the end it shouldn't matter whether you concur with or don't with any statement make by any individual. What is hypocritical is you coming to the defense of a individual small or big that started the attack and had the " temerity" to criticize one of the established poster which you yourself stated it shouldn't matter how many post one has! Based on your own statement I concur you are defending the wrong individual poster!
Gamahucker, your 10 minutes is up and so is this conversation. Feel free to have the last word but don't contradict yourself or fall overself trying to defend your statements. You won't get a reply and don't take it personally it has been fun although we agree to disagreed.
LBM
Cunning Stunt
04-23-09, 09:51
No comment except to point out that the handle is not Gamahucker or Gameahucker. Which was why I intentionally misspelt your handle as a rather poor attempt at witticism which obviously flew well over your humourless head:D.
Hello Fellow Mongers:
I will be returning for a short trip to BKK pretty soon. I wanted to get some updated information. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with any DOM/sub scene in BKK? Like the club Bar Bar in Patpong for instance? Or any other for that matter? Any private providers specializing in this genre?
Thanks,
JohnnieBravo
Have fun Brave one!
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http://web.me.com/casinobkk/Mistress_Lisa/Welcome.html
http://www.mistressenigma.com/
Today I like to put this in. I m not good in writing.
Today I leave 50% in france and 50%in Thailand early retired. 20 years Thailand experience. So may be you guys have a explanation for this.
Try to formulate it easy.
Today with the financial crisis. Politics problems. Less tourist. Less tourist in sukhumvit patpong Pattaya. Phuket.
Average salary in companies and hotel Thai. Baht 12. 000 to 18. 000. Daily girl in bierbargen aprox 100. Around 500 girl night time till 5 morning hanging around in sukhumvit; .
Very hard for foreigner and local to make money nowadays.
Upcountry thai people leave with average of 6000 baht a month.
So my question!
From where come the money for the thai to buy new cars. Have a look only new car in Bangkok or say it 70% of car in Bangkok are new or not more as one or two year old. Many BMW Mercedes. Many 4X4
Up country a lot of new motorbike. A new motor bike cost at least Baht 46. 000. In fact motor bike are more expensive in Thailand that in Europe
I see rice farmer. Corn vegetable farmer with new pick up.
ON THE WAY TO LAOS. Hight way full of new pick up. People move a lot.
Bar girl have mobile phone. Well dressed free lance aswel well dressed support two children or more. Or sister. All have motor bike new.
In short. If you look around Thailand look rich and well. Poor also.
So from where they have money with the crisis todays?
And who are the people who fill the new condo appartment coming up all over the city. Who are the thai who can pay 40. 000 baht hous rent in Bangkok.
My answer is mafia. Girls. Prostitutes. Yaba. Gang ja.
And you guys where you think money come from?
Joe Nailer
04-23-09, 14:18
No comment except to point out that the handle is not Gamahucker or Gameahucker. Which was why I intentionally misspelt your handle as a rather poor attempt at witticism which obviously flew well over your humourless head:D.
Gamachuter,
LickleBigleMan is just winding you up, mate.
I agree with your remark though:
"number of posts does not necessarily equate to greater experience and knowledge" But I even would replace "necessarily" with "definitely". Because there are many posts with only 3 words in it.
M P Lurker
04-23-09, 14:26
i rarely go to patpong, so never been to star of light, but it sounds like exactly the kind of place i'm looking for. will definitely visit on my next trip. are there any others like it? [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) sounds like a different scene and not my type. i've been to afterskool and didn't care for it much - a bunch of girls swarmed me the moment i entered; continuously kept pestering me to buy drinks for >5 girls and refused to do bbbj. there was absolutely no focus on service. would appreciate any recommendations, especially in the sukhumvit area (nep or soi cowboy).
there is the kangaroo bar. more privacy available without being claustraphobic. but can always do take out from sol to "the strand" for a good bed nearby if more privacy and comfort required.
LittleBigMan
04-23-09, 14:31
Mr. Gamahucher,
I know I said you wouldn't get a response but I'm happy and humorously writing to only say that the writing of your handle wasn't a means to attack you back or to demean the value of your handle. I honestly thought I was writing your handle correctly! I guess I need to put on the glasses back on. Got this 19 inch screen now and thought I was seeing everything. As for it flying over my head I'm not surprise since I'm not that tall!
I apologize for the mistake not once but twice!
As for you Joe Nailer, I wasn't winding him up and do you even know WTF, we are even talking about. You walk in at the end of the game and enter the coversation like you saw the whole game! Get real! and try to get the point!
LBM
Cunning Stunt
04-23-09, 18:01
Mr. Gamahucher,
I know I said you wouldn't get a response but I'm happy and humorously writing to only say that the writing of your handle wasn't a means to attack you back or to demean the value of your handle. I honestly thought I was writing your handle correctly! I guess I need to put on the glasses back on. Got this 19 inch screen now and thought I was seeing everything. As for it flying over my head I'm not surprise since I'm not that tall!
I apologize for the mistake not once but twice!
LittleBigMan,
Thank you for your apology. You are obviously a bigger man than you are a little man (if that nonsense makes any sense to you).
I really must change my handle as it is fairly preposterous. I was just finishing 'My Secret Life' by Walter at the time of joining ISG and thought it had an appropriate ring to it.
Incidentally any member who think that sex travel is a recent innovation ought to check out 'My Secret Life' online at http://www.my-secret-life.com/. I defy any member to plough through the 11 downloadable volumes of basically everything that we do (and a lot that we don't). I did and it gave me a new slant on everything mongering related.
NicFrenchy
04-24-09, 02:38
And you guys where you think money come from?
Well, for the last 4 years I am working with Thais on a daily basis and I can tell you this:
My staff (all of them) have the latest iPhone and Great cars. Do they really need it? nope.
What you have is not important, what people SEE you have is crucial.
My staff always laugh at how cheap my phone is because it cost only 9,000 thb, but does that mean they are richer than me? nope.
They find the money in Bank loans, Credit cards and maybe (but I don't think so) borrow from a local Godfather.
Social status is by which car you drive, what you wear, where you live and what cellphone you have.
8k for a girl you order via MMS? I think I will pass on that oneFair enough. Was just looking to try something different and as naive as it may sound, the thought of doing someone who was less "seasoned" and apparently doesn't do this "often" for a living sounded like it was worth 8k.
It ended up to be worth 8k, to me at least, but I can see where you're coming from with the open ended potential for disaster.
Good thing I met her in the hotel lobby, at their instruction, so I could send them away if need be?
Kenster, I think if you are going to do this, you need to be prepared, just my POV. Thats true. I never thought of it that way when it was suggested to me and it only struck me earlier when i was replying to NicFrenchy's post that it could've been an open ended disaster. Worst come to worst, i spend the night alone and send her along on her merry way with some cab money.
But at that moment, the thought was ingenious. I would have no pressure to offer the girl some money at The Pent with me constantly upping the amount everytime she says no since the thought of spending the night wanking away alone is so daunting in a city of so many beautiful women.
Chulalongkorn University, Quite prestigious. http://www.stc.chula.ac.th/I wouldn't be able to tell you buddy.
All i know is when i took a cab from MBK later in the afternoon from the side entrance at the lower level where the cab ranks are, when he drove out of MBK and we hit the main road and turn left and reached a set of lights at a T junction, where we had to turn right, the entrance to her "school" was directly infront of said T-Junction.
I wouldnt be able to tell you the name as i didnt pay too much attention.
Once again, out of MBK's cab ranks, turn left and immediatly you hit a set of lights. Right infront of you is said school.
Is that the infamous Chulalongkorn university?
There are several agencies that specialize in students and are generally at the higher end. I have had a couple of very pleasant overnights with students at different levels. One of the best was a Laotian doctoral student at Thamasat Unversity. I have also had one near disaster with a girl who looked and sang like a peach but had active herpes on her undercarriage. I had already got to DFK and had my hand up her when I scouted in prep for some DATY. OMG. I quickly terminated the deal and she admitted her boyfriend had an issue the week before.
I got acyclovir tablets and ointment and avoided any sort of attack. I was surprised how naive she was.
I protested to the lady running the deal and promptly left town. The next time back she set me up with a 30 yo schoolteacher who was heaven on a stick.
Comment: its worthwhile but be careful.
BTW your are paying the 12 hour rate at THB 8000 or your just a BSD, midnight too to 9am drop at school bats around THB 6000 for "student model".
OTH ? comments
BSKSounds like these kind of things could be a hit and miss. Luckily my first experience or foray into such things was a HIT, to me at least.
But once again, I'm gonna try to head back there really soon. Not in the next month or two as work is driving me crazy (maybe more reason to head back then) but hopefully by July/August when things should start settling down.
I will try to get intouch with this girl again and learn more about the modus operandi of her and her mamasan and fellow "occasional P4P" buddies.
Anyone have more info or if Bearsk would be so gracious as to offer more info on said agencies as mentioned above? Especially students, sans the jailbait bit of course. Haha!
Thanks once again for the kind feedback. Look forward to returning with more information but I don't make such frequent trips nor do I live in BKK (but boy would I love to) so it might be rather infrequent but with AirAsia offering such competitive rates, I think the infrequent bit might just change soon.
1/ university uniform skirts are black, not blue. If this girl was wearing a blue skirt (I suspect it would be long and pleated), she was likely either, a high school student at Tri Udomsuksa which is right next door to Chula (and therefore jailbait, 15 to 17 years old), possibly a first year uni student at Rajamagala Technological University, opposite to MBK and next to Chula, or possibly a first year student at Chula itself (if a dark blue skirt)...still possibly jailbait, as most first year uni students, especially in that area are 17.
While I could believe that a student from Rajamagala could be on the game (it's a crap school), I somehow have my doubts that either a HS student from Tri Udomsuksa or a student from Chula would be. The students at both places are just far too rich to ever need to do P4P.With regards to the skirts, i was not actually paying attention to the color per se but i can tell you this though, if its blue, it would be a very very dark shade of blue.
It is definitely not pleated. Very tight and straight up to the knee or thereabouts.
Together with a belt that is made of fabric and has a logo in the center, sort of a Royal looking insignia of sorts that every other person dressed like her wears.
I really doubt (and hope/pray) that she isnt so young and from said high school but you can never really know.
Once again, i know NOTHING about thai demographics so i cant really say much about which school she belongs to with reference to her financial situation but i can say this, i hope it isnt that high school. Im not fussed if she went to a shitty technological institute. :)
All i can contribute to possibly narrowing her educational institute is the location of the gate i dropped her off at, which will be 1 post above, in my response to Bearsk, and the uniform, which is defiinitely not pleated, approx knee length, very tight.
With a belt that has an insignia of some sort in the middle that everyone wears. A white button shirt with short sleeves too. And the fact that EVERYONE else walking through that gate looks the same. Hehe
Im very curious about which university this could be now and i have her number so i can always ask on my next trip. Ive tried sms-ing her but she always responds in thai so thats getting me nowhere.
Well, for the last 4 years I am working with Thais on a daily basis and I can tell you this:
My staff (all of them) have the latest iPhone and Great cars. Do they really need it? nope.
What you have is not important, what people SEE you have is crucial.
My staff always laugh at how cheap my phone is because it cost only 9,000 thb, but does that mean they are richer than me? nope.
They find the money in Bank loans, Credit cards and maybe (but I don't think so) borrow from a local Godfather.
Social status is by which car you drive, what you wear, where you live and what car you drive.Nicfrenchy,
I think this is predominantly an Asian mentality? I would say Malaysians, Singaporeans, Taiwanese etc etc all establish a fellow persons wealth but his material possessions, cars, homes etc regardless of what he had to leverage to accumulate said possessions.
"Face" is very important it seems.
LittleBigMan
04-24-09, 04:53
NicFrenchy,
I'm sure it is happening all over the world especially in China. But in reference to Thailand itself I call it the " keeping up with the Jones " I have experience it my whole life since I was given my 1st credit card but you don't see it until you get older and some never seen it nor escape it. We are taught that more is better, 1 chicken in the oven isn't enough you got to have 2 and it goes on and on. Even prior to what is happening to the economy now I saw it everyday! Young kids with 30,40,50 thousand dollar cars living at home in debt everything they own is on credit! Young couples buying homes way beyond their means and then using whatever leverage they have on their homes to buy more cars to keep up with their friends.
I'm 57 now and knowing that I had to make a decision to leave my job at 55 and live in Thailand to support my family. I had a incentive to work my ass off for 5 years and save and pay off all my debt. Since leaving I have been debt free and everthing I buy is cash and you know what? It feels so good!
I have my life and I own nothing to anyone except to take care of my family.
I see it everyday now in Thailand, especially as you say with phones the more features the better. The bigger the better! A second hand motorbike isn't good enough you got to have a Fino or the top of line Honda. The banks know this and advertise on T.V. how you can get credit cards. Cards for everything! I have seen in the past year at Carrefour in Pattaya, while standing in line to pay, Thais paying with credit cards and then seeing that the credit is refused! Just by looking at the way they are dressed tells me they have no idea! what is going on.. I go to take money out of the ATM, and I see Thai's put in the ATM, over and over again to have it return with no money! The look on their faces when they turn around... only tells me no money in bank.
In my own personal life... my wife young cousin who has been living with us for nearly 10 years. I see what Nic is talking about each day. We have been trying to teach him to save and it might be too late for him and I finally at the request of my wive ( she had it too ) spoke to him and laid down the law of the house. I went back on his life a few years to show him where he was headed. He has a new honda, more clothes than I have... but in the end I told him it's all dressing. You can dress like you got money but like before when the girl finds out it all show and you don't have a dime she gone...! In the end I told him how far is your few thousand baht going to last you? This time I told him you are living in my house and if you stay you're going to have to live by my rules. If you can't we will give you all you legal papers and your bank book wish you the best of luck and hope to see from time to time for dinner but this time there is no coming back! Today he is still here and it is a matter of time if he screws up again!
There is this massage girl I have known for sometime she is a real bread winner. I'm guessing by the customers she has that she is racking in easily 50,000 baht a month. She indicated to me recently she wanted to buy a new Toyota Yaris, I asked her why and went through this whole topic and told her if she had to spend money buy property and open your own business instead of you blowing me you're staff can and still have a place to live. She is a smart girl... my reward after giving her my 2 cents... one of the best BBBJ/FS I have ever had!
LBM
That you for your time guys, LBM
Old Thai Hand
04-24-09, 06:51
In truth, I happen to agree with Sean. Although I do recognize the great contribution of OTH has made to the Thai Forum, he does often come across as a pompous, bombastic windbag who is obviously none too fond of the people in whose country he is a guest.
While I may criticize people's POV, as both you and others have mine, I don't generally resort to name-calling, as you have done here. I don't think I've been guilty of a personal attack on you, so what gives you the right to do so with me?
As for my lack of fondness for Thais...
It always seems that those who have had a go at me about this, are usually those types (predominately visitors) whose sole experience with Thais has been confined to superficial interactions with bargirls, wait-staff, hotel receptionists, shopkeepers and taxi drivers.
All I can say, is walk a mile in my shoes before you judge.
I defy anyone on here to successfully maintain their airy-fairy, Pollyanna attitude about Thais, after they've had to deal with them for any length of time and in depth: after they've scratched the very thin veneer of sanook, sabai sabai and 'Land of Smiles' to reveal the real nature of Thais - immature, jealous, envious, greedy, resentful, back-stabbing, gossipy, vengeful, corrupt, lying, inept, no-nothing, do-nothing idiots, who feel an entitlement to have it all, without putting in the requisite labour and intelligence to get it. While Farang expat whingeing about Thais and Thailand is a wide-ranging and popular sport and often excessive, one has to ask why it continues to be as pervasive and incessant as it is? In my own case, having been abused, insulted, harrassed and treated unfairly repeatedly and excessively by largely incompetent nitwits, who have neither my ability, knowledge or experience, I've developed a justifiable hate-on for these people. They need us, for whatever the task is, because they are incapable of doing it themselves, and then resent the fact, when we can do it and they can't, or that we simply do it better, resulting in increasing and unjustified criticism and on-going efforts to be-little us.
Before anyone says, "why don't you leave?", believe me, I've tried extremely hard to get the fuck out of here. Unfortunately, with the economic crisis, it's proven almost impossible. I've found that, ironically my best job prospects are still here. Therefore, I'm hopefully getting a new job and will tough it out for another year until I can leave these bastards behind.
If that seems "insensitive" to Thai people, tough titties.
As for my being a guest... technically, of course I am. But, despite Thai people's best efforts to undermine and sabotage me, I've contributed a significant amount to this country in educating its often ungrateful youth.
I also have paid a considerable amount of taxes here over the last dozen years: certainly more in taxes in a year, than some Isaan rice farmer earns in total. That gives me the right to voice whatever opinion I want about this country and its people.
Cunning Stunt
04-24-09, 08:03
I don't think I've been guilty of a personal attack on you, so what gives you the right to do so with me?
Erm.... I beg to differ. You were extremely rude to me some months back. I would dig it out but I cannot be arsed and it means jackshit to me anyway so why bother. I somehow doubt that I'm the only member that you have disparaged. So whats good for the goose ...etc.
...the real nature of Thais - immature, jealous, envious, greedy, resentful, back-stabbing, gossipy, vengeful, corrupt, lying, inept, no-nothing, do-nothing idiots ...
Is this just how you feel about your Thai friends and workmates? How about the Thai's you don't really like?
Overall I would say that the content of your diatribe tends to strengthen rather than weaken my stated opinion but I apologize if my viewpoint is overtly rude or personally defamatory. However we all know that ISG is a duck shoot where we all set ourselves up to be popped at. This is surely part of the fun!
All I can say, is walk a mile in my shoes before you judge.
A wise man once told me, before you knock someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way if you still think they are a wanker and want to say so, you will be a mile away and have their fucking shoes:D.
Old Thai Hand
04-24-09, 08:22
Erm.... I beg to differ. You were extremely rude to me some months back. I would dig it out but I cannot be arsed and it means jackshit to me anyway so why bother. I somehow doubt that I'm the only member that you have disparaged. So whats good for the goose ...etc.
If that's true, then I apologize. I actually like your posts and pics on the Phil section. I try now not to be personal, but stick only to agreeing or disagreeing about comments and issues.
BTW, you mentioned before about my leaving ISG. In fact, I left for about 5 months and now only post in fits and starts about specific topics. I'm nowhere near my previous level of posting a year ago where I would post every day and often more than once. I just don't have the interest, but occasionally like to comment on certain things like politics and life here.
The hate-on...
I'm probably the most extreme and certainly the most outspoken in my negativity about Thais. But, if you've noticed, the line in the sand on ISG, divides the expats who live and most importantly work with or have some sort of business dealings with Thais, and those who are happy visiting mongers, who know nothing about the real face of the people. There are lots of others, like me who make negative comments about Thais; just not as nasty or blatant. Nevertheless, I'm sure they often feel as strongly as I. They just don't express it. You should read the Thai Visa forum some time. Talk about an over-the-top whinge-fest.
I used to love it here and love the people. But, after being fucked over, one-too-many times, through no fault of my own, it's hard to feel anything but contempt for what are in essence a morally-bankrupt people who act dishonestly without remorse or concern for the consequences. This kind of behaviour exists proportionately, from the highest HiSo scumbag to the lowliest LoSo, country bumpkin. The only thing worse is that they're often even more despicable to their fellow Thais than even to Farang.
Day 1
Checked in to Lovingstone Lodge (soi 33) and it was a pleasure to be back.
Headed for Soi Cowboy since its my favorite place to drink beer and look at gogo girls. Midnight was the first bar. I was seated and right away, a girl came and sat with me and wanted ladydrink. She was cute and I accepted. There was a banana show going on on stage. Didn't find it interesting. The music was very bad too. Moved on to shark. Nice girls for shure. Some real stunners. Music was okay. Moved on to Baccara. One of my favorite bars. 1. Floor is always the place to find a good party. I choosed a girl Leki (267 & 287 don't remember) she was a 10. Small, with big fake tits, and a very hard body and a cute smile. She was very hot. But when we came back to Livingstone Lodge she was very shy, and wanted to shower alone. And I felt like I couldn't trust her. The agreement was longtime, but after one boring session, I said that I wanted no more, and it was okay for her to leave.
Cunning Stunt
04-24-09, 08:55
I used to love it here and love the people. But, after being fucked over, one-too-many times, through no fault of my own, it's hard to feel anything but contempt for what are in essence a morally-bankrupt people who act dishonestly without remorse or concern for the consequences. This kind of behaviour exists proportionately, from the highest HiSo scumbag to the lowliest LoSo, country bumpkin. The only thing worse is that they're often even more despicable to their fellow Thais than even to Farang.
Actually, I do feel a little sorry for you. It must be like being stuck in a dead and unhappy marriage. I think that I would find it most difficult to live in a country whose people I had come so patently to detest and despise. It must have an adverse affect on your day to day decision making and activities. Not to mention the negative influence on your personal happiness and contentment.
However I don't feel too sorry for you as you are after all in Thailand and many guys would sacrifice a kidney to be in your position of being in a well paid job in the Land of (albeit insincere) Smiles.
Dare I say that you need to lighten up and get out mongering more;).
I don't think that what OTH is going through is Thai-specific. I've lived the past 20 years in a country other than the one where I grew up. Plenty of immigrants become annoyed with the way the natives deal with things. In some countries where it is easier to assimilate there are those that assimilate and those that get annoyed and move on. Often those that get annoyed and move on end up really disliking the people before they move on. The difference is that in places like Thailand and Japan and Dubai the locals are not interested in having people assimilate and join their ranks so you don't really end up with those happily assimilated farang/gaijin immigrants.
NicFrenchy
04-24-09, 10:10
Dare I say that you need to lighten up and get out mongering more;).
If only that would work, I'd do it too.... eh, wait a second... I already do it! :D
After being here (and working) with thais on a daily basis, I can say that OTH is not far from the truth. Obviously, I do not have the same ill-feelings about all thais, but I find most of his comments spot-on.
Tourists see Thailand very differently so I am not sure that they can understand.
Giotto also writes amazing stories about what LOS really is and I suggest everyone to go adn read the GIOTTO STORIES.
As for me, I was really happy today to see a very true article in GURU Magazine: "The unique sights, sounds adn smells of the Thai office"
I will try to scan and post it later!
GoodEnough
04-24-09, 10:11
I can empathize with OTH's point of view, and I've met several foreigners here in the Philippines who feel exactly the same way, which is easy to do, given the patent insincerity hiding under the guide of friendly smiles. I guess that one of the huge differences between actually living day to day in a country and going there on holiday. During vacation, you can afford to be blind to the reality and you might not even be there long enough to notice or experience the reality. Living long term in a country however, you cannot avoid it.
I've adopted the stance of enjoying the lifestyle that I can maintain here, enjoying the fringe benefits, and attaching no importance to the rest of it. I assume that most people are lying to me, acknowledge that I will never be able to change anything, and just get on with living my life in the best way (for me) that I can.
I'll be in Bangkok in a couple of weeks, and I'll make a special effort not to notice all of the things that OTH so accurately points out.
GE
If that's true, then I apologize. I actually like your posts and pics on the Phil section. I try now not to be personal, but stick only to agreeing or disagreeing about comments and issues.
BTW, you mentioned before about my leaving ISG. In fact, I left for about 5 months and now only post in fits and starts about specific topics. I'm nowhere near my previous level of posting a year ago where I would post every day and often more than once. I just don't have the interest, but occasionally like to comment on certain things like politics and life here.
The hate-on...
I'm probably the most extreme and certainly the most outspoken in my negativity about Thais. But, if you've noticed, the line in the sand on ISG, divides the expats who live and most importantly work with or have some sort of business dealings with Thais, and those who are happy visiting mongers, who know nothing about the real face of the people. There are lots of others, like me who make negative comments about Thais; just not as nasty or blatant. Nevertheless, I'm sure they often feel as strongly as I. They just don't express it. You should read the Thai Visa forum some time. Talk about an over-the-top whinge-fest.
I used to love it here and love the people. But, after being fucked over, one-too-many times, through no fault of my own, it's hard to feel anything but contempt for what are in essence a morally-bankrupt people who act dishonestly without remorse or concern for the consequences. This kind of behaviour exists proportionately, from the highest HiSo scumbag to the lowliest LoSo, country bumpkin. The only thing worse is that they're often even more despicable to their fellow Thais than even to Farang.Ar
Old thai hand is right. I have the same sentiment. And I know many over farang leaving here have the same. Its a hate and love situation. I know many friend or farang leaving same me today 50% home europe 50% in Thailand. And all of them enjoy again this situation getting in touch with the normality here in europe. Yes many do not express throut forum or writing. Someting just because they can not writ up stories.
Yes Thailand is a fucking country bad and good. For the moment its 50 50 good and bad. Yes its true they are only after farang money. No money you can go home. They anyhow think they are superior to us farang. Farang have money but no brain. Thai brain better they think. Thats what they are thinking of us farang. So if we want to enjoy theier life styl. Sun. Fun. Sex. We have to accept it and I see no way how we can change theier attitute. See est la vie. Or. This is Thailand
Old Thai Hand
04-24-09, 11:35
Actually, I do feel a little sorry for you. It must be like being stuck in a dead and unhappy marriage. I think that I would find it most difficult to live in a country whose people I had come so patently to detest and despise. It must have an adverse affect on your day to day decision making and activities. Not to mention the negative influence on your personal happiness and contentment.
However I don't feel too sorry for you as you are after all in Thailand and many guys would sacrifice a kidney to be in your position of being in a well paid job in the Land of (albeit insincere) Smiles.
Dare I say that you need to lighten up and get out mongering more;).
FYI. part of the reason behind my bitterness.
I lost my well paid job, with no explanation and by email, no less....
"Your contract will end by [ ]. You will not be renewed." PERIOD.
"Thanks" for all the fish. (with appologies to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy :) )
They didn't even have the professionalism to call me, talk to me, give me a reason and hand me a TERMINATION letter, the fucking cowards. This after 3 years of setting up a new program, with all the extra work involved and busting my ass. This from the Royal University, #1 in LOS with aspirations of becoming an international university (what a joke!). Now that the program is making loads of money, they ditched all the full-time Farang, replaced us with part-time, raw recruits, with no experience and at a quarter of the pay and with incompetent Thai faculty who want to make the big salaries, without having done any of the work or sacrificing anything for the program. Not a new scenario here, by any stretch, either. As well, I am likely to get another job and will be back up, salary-rise in a few months. But, it has left a bitter taste.
Also...and at the risk of exposing myself to derision from gloating ISGers...my "good girl" mid-so TGF of 3 years, suddenly announced she's leaving me and moving to the US to study. She did all of this secretly behind my back. She got a 5 year visa to the US - pretty unheard for a young, single Thai girl. So, that's pretty much it for her and I.
It's been a bad couple of months, which explains my grumpiness.
I could go on with more stellar examples of just how shitty they are. But, you get the idea.
However, you are right about one thing...It is Thailand. Therefore the GF is easily replaced by another young piece of Thai ass.
FYI. part of the reason behind my bitterness.
I lost my well paid job, with no explanation and by email, no less....
Also...and at the risk of exposing myself to derision from gloating ISGers...my "good girl" mid-so TGF of 3 years, suddenly announced she's leaving me and moving to the US to study. She did all of this secretly behind my back. Considering what you've gone through recently, and judging by our PMs etc, I think you're handling the situation well. Just remember you're not alone - people get fucked over by organizations and lovers all the time.
However, you are right about one thing...It is Thailand. Therefore the GF is easily replaced by another young piece of Thai ass. See you in Pattaya next week? ;)
I feel for you having to go through this experience. However, it is not possible to clap with one hand. Perhaps, you also might look at yourself and not be so bitter. Wish you well.
Duni
...and at the risk of exposing myself to derision from gloating ISGers...my "good girl" mid-so TGF of 3 years, suddenly announced she's leaving me and moving to the US to study.
No derision here OTH, your posts over the last few days could be written by many of us who spend lots of time in many S.E Asia countries. I have been fucked over time and time again in Indonesia by the locals, and obviously have still not learned my lesson, as I still am there, getting fucked again.
My ex GF there stole 10,000$ from me, and there was nothing I could do about it.
You have my sympathies, both in regards to the GF, and your work situation.
but believe me, you are not alone.
While I may criticize people's POV, as both you and others have mine, I don't generally resort to name-calling, as you have done here. I don't think I've been guilty of a personal attack on you, so what gives you the right to do so with me?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=internet+tough+guys
OTH you have been softened by the tone in your posts. I guess “loss” can allay anything. I remember you calling me an idiot because I jokingly said Thais were not clean but it’s all good.
I enjoy your insightful and scholarly posts glad to see you took the high road in this whole ordeal. The name calling and personal attacks because you disagree with someone over the internet is pathetic and childish.
One guy said it takes an act of courage to shamefully insult another member but I beg to differ. For me it takes a lack of courage and shows a weakness unbecoming of a grown man. Also gives you insight to what type of childhood the individuals had. I highly doubt most of the individuals that engage in this behavior are like this in 3-D. I don’t know what they get out of it. Not to mention the PM function works fine.
As for my lack of fondness for Thais...
It always seems that those who have had a go at me about this, are usually those types (predominately visitors) whose sole experience with Thais has been confined to superficial interactions with bargirls, wait-staff, hotel receptionists, shopkeepers and taxi drivers.
All I can say, is walk a mile in my shoes before you judge.
I am with GE on this while I don’t live in Thailand I do live in PI and while they are different in many ways they are also similar in many ways. I am becoming the grumpy, old expat due to the way they do things and the “disingenuous” nature of the people only I am not old…. that said…I guess the willing pretty 18-24 year old females and low cost of living balances everything out.
FYI. part of the reason behind my bitterness.
I lost my well paid job, with no explanation and by email, no less....
Jobs are like bar girls they come and go. Especially with your background you will bounce back.
Illogic over and out.
NicFrenchy
04-24-09, 16:14
And people ask me why I don't have a Thai girlfriend?
Thanks, but no thanks, I will stick to Giks and P4P. much easier that way, they are both disposable material :D
Yeah, I know, I have no heart but it's not my fault if I can't stay more than a few hours with these Pooyings and not be bored
Traveler1234
04-24-09, 16:18
However, you are right about one thing...It is Thailand. Therefore the GF is easily replaced by another young piece of Thai ass.
Sorry to learn of your plight...the silver lining is now you can legally chase all the pussy at the Royal U and screw them all!
Old Thai Hand
04-24-09, 16:33
I don't really care about the lost job. But, I am sad about the GF. We've lived together for 3 years and actually had a great time together, all the time. We were going to get married soon. I don't really get it. But, I doubt I would ever get a straight answer from her, as to why she pulled a stunt like this, completely out of the blue. BTW, she actually had the nerve to ask me to wait for her to come back from the US. (Ya, right. I'm going to do that).
Anyway, I think we should end this discussion, and move onto something more positive.
Here's a friend, I've known for a lot longer than my GF. Out of the frying pan, into the fire, perhaps?...LOL ;)
Asian Rain
04-24-09, 17:14
my "good girl" mid-so TGF of 3 years, suddenly announced she's leaving me and moving to the US to study. She did all of this secretly behind my back. Wow, a really tough break... I wish I could say that I have been there, but luckily I haven't. If you see rats swimming off a ship, you can be sure it is sinking. Given the description of this poster's journey into woe, we must all give her credit for some natural survival skills.
I see the same priniciples at the office. A few years ago, when I saw guys from Sales (human rats) abandoning a big implementation project, I knew it was in trouble. Sure enough, one year later the project tanked at a write-off of EUR15m. Some species just know when to flee.
She got a 5 year visa to the US - pretty unheard for a young, single Thai girl. Um, I've seen better. My ex-"mid so" TGF got a 10 year student visa to the States, which she promptly ignored and started working as an illegal. Started working in restaurants making lots of tax-free cash and living frugally. After learning how the Chinese illegals do it, she has set up her own unlicensed massage operation in NYC. Before the crash last year, she was making USD500/day PROFIT. Current crippled economy aside, when all is said and done, she will have enough savings to come back, buy her own place, set up a nice business and live a good life. She did this all on her own and I am proud of her accomplishments.
Most of all, my ex has been a loyal friend over the years. Not a day has really gone by that we don't exchange a good morning and good night sms. She helped me so much over the years when I was setting some things up in Thailand. I rarely have anything personal about myself to say on this forum, but the fact is that my long-term experience is that there are plenty of good Thai people around Thailand.
I could go on with more stellar examples of just how shitty they are. Why not? I doubt this will stop here when it is all too easy to divert the Bangkok Reports thread for a personal pity party and platform for negativity. This is when we really need some proactive moderation to put us back on track.
...Anyway, I think we should end this discussion, and move onto something more positive...
Yep. You've dodged a high caliber bullet IMHO. Be greatful, move on, and enjoy. Wives and girlfriends are a pain in the ass.
Fifty Fifty
04-24-09, 18:08
.......... Wives and girlfriends are a pain in the ass.
IMHO, if it has Tits or Wheels its going to cause a man some trouble at some time. I agree, duck and run, there is plenty more young pussy to make a man smile again after suffering similar to OTH et al.
Cheers, FF
Cunning Stunt
04-24-09, 18:25
What have I missed? ... just bin' out shagging;).
So no job and no pussy - sounds like half the guys in the Western world at the moment. But look on the bright side - you are in Thailand and you don't have to venture too far from your front door to find some replacement skirt.
With regards to the job - I'm sure Opebo could fix you up with something:D.
NicFrenchy
04-25-09, 00:04
We were going to get married soon.
I'm sorry about that man. Look at the bright side (if there is one), she saved you from a big mess :D
Old Thai Hand
04-25-09, 00:18
Why not? I doubt this will stop here when it is all too easy to divert the Bangkok Reports thread for a personal pity party and platform for negativity. This is when we really need some proactive moderation to put us back on track.
I couldn't agree more. I never intended this to turn into a personal pity party. But, you know how these things go on here. Someone makes a remark, or asks a question. There's a response. There's another opinion, or a rebuttal. There's a new, slightly side-ways response. And, so it goes until it goes off the rails in some direction or other.
If any of this even belonged on ISG, at all, it should have been on the Living in Thailand thread.
So, let's get the thread back to stories about P4P experiences in BKK, which will make people happier.
In my case, the advantage is that living 10 minutes from Cowboy, I'm sure I can go out tonight and find something to counter the turmoil of recent days. :)
Member #3428
04-25-09, 01:01
Also...and at the risk of exposing myself to derision from gloating ISGers...my "good girl" mid-so TGF of 3 years, suddenly announced she's leaving me and moving to the US to study. She did all of this secretly behind my back. She got a 5 year visa to the US - pretty unheard for a young, single Thai girl. So, that's pretty much it for her and I.
I give you sympathy not gloating even if we do not see eye to eye... but it's good to be honest and share this. Goes to show all people WTF can happen with thai girls and in Thailand.
You might think you got a good girl, P4P or non P4P and you can still end up getting screwed over.
For those of us who have gotten the right girl, congrats, but it's a big friggin gamble and I've yet to get it right. Two major strike outs for me, one during new year.
But back into the fire as I'm after the third ;) But the important part is that I'm enjoying it. As long as you only give up what you are willing to lose then things can be OK.
JohnnieBravo
04-25-09, 02:37
i was wondering if anyone had any experience with akane massage listed here http://www.pink-project.com/akane/english/menu_33.html on soi 33 near the peep inn
where is a good place that has a large fishbowl to choose from?
also, where is the best place to see a good show? i went to queen's castle in patpong last year. they were honest enough but i was hassled to no end. is there anywhere that has a good show where one is hassled less?
also has anyone ever been to demonia on sukumvit?
thanks again to everyone...just trying to get back into the swing of things after being gone for a bit.
johnniebravo
OTH, sorry to hear about your problems, but perhaps some of it is due to you have a fixed concept of Thai's and putting them all into their "sectors" as opposed to being open minded and judging them as individual people, and not as "groups to be labelled together".
Thai's are Thai's, People are People, for every girl you say is a cheap two bit tart - just by you looking, she might actually be a very nice girl, very loyal and loving.
For every girl you say by looking she is a "good girl", she might actually be a really nasty piece of work.
Life teaches you this, and perhaps you will learn it or not, thats up to you.
In Thailand I have found the category you class as "good" as being some of the most decietful and unfaithful there are, and I know as I have been rodgering many of them (this being the educated, middle class "good girls" with "good jobs" or studying at "good uni's") whilst their boyfriends or husbands think they are "good girls".
Get yourself back into some P4P action, there are plenty of bad girls out there, and all wanting your hard earned cash in return for a few hours of pleasure.
Also...and at the risk of exposing myself to derision from gloating ISGers...my "good girl" mid-so TGF of 3 years, suddenly announced she's leaving me and moving to the US to study. She did all of this secretly behind my back. She got a 5 year visa to the US - pretty unheard for a young, single Thai girl. So, that's pretty much it for her and I.
Traveler1234
04-25-09, 04:15
i was wondering if anyone had any experience with akane massage listed here http://www.pink-project.com/akane/english/menu_33.html on soi 33 near the peep inn
this place has been written about extensively in the massage parlor thread, look particularly for nicfrenchy's post.
where is a good place that has a large fishbowl to choose from?
search mick licker and giotto posts, they done extensive reports on mp, again in the massage parlor thread.
M P Lurker
04-25-09, 04:25
Where is a good place that has a large fishbowl to choose from?
Also, where is the best place to see a good show?
For Soapy (Turkish bath) Nataree has a big lineup of pretty girls, not all in the fishbowl. Right hand entrance.
Annies also has a big lineup, with emphasis on service rather than beauty.
La Belle is new upmarket place.
For shows, try Suzi Wong, Long Gun (Soi Cowboy), Angel Witch (Nana).
For porn stars at an Oily Massage shop, try Tulip. Lineup can be viewed downstairs.
Oiles and Bars Map (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.732048,100.570049&spn=0.054612,0.050383&z=14)
Soapies Map (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.75856,100.568676&spn=0.054606,0.050383&z=14)
Monger Virgin
04-25-09, 05:35
What is the current update on prices. Up, Down, Sideways?
What has been the monger market trend been given the economy and periodic "shirt" eruptions?
Old Thai Hand:
Given your dislike of Thailand and the Thais, I'm curious as to why you would want to stay in the country. You're clearly intelligent, thoughtful and write well, so you should be able to do something productive in your own country. Why do you stay in the LOS?
Regarding your opinion on the people and the country, I do think you're too one-sided in your viewpoint. What happened to you could have happened in many other countries. Thailand isn't the only place where unjust things happen.
Also, I think your views of Thai women are too extreme. Some of them are as you described, but many of them are intelligent, warm and cultivated human beings with whom one can discuss a variety of subjects. For example, one female companion of mine is not well educated, but is very intelligent. I had the opportunity to talk with her about the following subjects: Thai architecture, Jim Thompson's role in revitalizing the Thai silk industry, the history of Thailand as portrayed in Siam Niramit, the reign of King Chulakorn, the influence of western culture as exemplified by the architecture of Vimanmek Palace, foreign currency fluctuations, Thai finance and the role of the royal family in today's Thailand. These were very interesting subjects and I think that not even NicFrenchy would be bored by these discussions.
What has happened to us all? What a bunch of negative fuckers we have become! We live in a land of absolute freedom, compared to the west, where anything is possible. Not many of us would be able to fuck such beautiful women in our own countries, at any price. Think about the poor jobless fuckers at home. With fat, bitching, moaning, ugly wives. I at least know when I am in paradise. A beautiful wife. A 29 year old, non P4P, sex mad gorgeous girlfriend. And on top of all that I can go out and get laid at anytime I like. Fucking hell. Where oh where else can we do that?
My answer to anyone who does not like Thailand. Fuck off. And stay fucked off. Or go live in Birmingham for 6 months. Every night at home with a can of cheap lager, smoking roll ups, and wanking of to beautiful women in a magazine. BTW. 1 can of lager, a packet of smokes and a dirty mag will cost you more than 2 hours LT with a bar girl.
Lets get on track here guys. Thailand's positives far outweigh its negatives. Have you guys forgotten what white pussy tastes like?
Fifty Fifty
04-25-09, 07:31
What has happened to us all? What a bunch of negative fuckers we have become! We live in a land of absolute freedom, compared to the west, where anything is possible. Not many of us would be able to fuck such beautiful women in our own countries, at any price. Think about the poor jobless fuckers at home. With fat, bitching, moaning, ugly wives. I at least know when I am in paradise. A beautiful wife. A 29 year old, non P4P, sex mad gorgeous girlfriend. And on top of all that I can go out and get laid at anytime I like. Fucking hell. Where oh where else can we do that?
My answer to anyone who does not like Thailand. Fuck off. And stay fucked off. Or go live in Birmingham for 6 months. Every night at home with a can of cheap lager, smoking roll ups, and wanking of to beautiful women in a magazine. BTW. 1 can of lager, a packet of smokes and a dirty mag will cost you more than 2 hours LT with a bar girl.
Lets get on track here guys. Thailand's positives far outweigh its negatives. Have you guys forgotten what white pussy tastes like?
Well said that man, I didnt know Gordon Brown had put the prices of Beer, Fags and Porn up so much either.
I Fully agree, the positives are freely available on every street corner and lining the roads in between. You also forgot to mention the benefits of the climate too. :D
With business quiet especially in BKK at the moment, recently the time has never been better for good old fashioned Mongering.
Time to enjoy LOS at its best.
Cheers, FF
Well said that man, I didnt know Gordon Brown had put the prices of Beer, Fags and Porn up so much either.
Cheers, FFFags= 6.50
Beer= 4.00
Good dirty mag= 5.00
Total= 15.50 = 806 baht at 52 baht per pound.
My brother was offered over night for 700 at some P4P's gaff...she needed the cash...just goes to show...anything is possible in the land of smiles....and sweet sweet p####
Cunning Stunt
04-25-09, 08:20
My feelings exactly.
What a star Jock Brown and his bunch of inept idiots are. Just when most of the population of UK are struggling to pay the bills and make ends meet, he raises the 'sin' tax on the few pleasures left to the average Joe on the street.
When I lived in UK (not Brum thankfully!), one of the few thing in life to look forward to was getting tanked up with the mates at a weekend and the fortnightly visit to Sandy’s Superstars or a similar dream machine. If I still lived in UK, I doubt whether I could still afford these modest pleasures.
Where I am now, I could have a different girl every night if I wanted. Cost of living is cheap and beer is nearly given away. Don’t smoke but they are dirt cheap as well.
So when I come over all negative or feel a whinge coming on, all I do is consider my lifestyle in comparison to the folk back home and all is sweetness and light again:D.
G
NicFrenchy
04-25-09, 08:22
My answer to anyone who does not like Thailand. Fuck off. And stay fucked off. Or go live in Birmingham for 6 months. Every night at home with a can of cheap lager, smoking roll ups, and wanking of to beautiful women in a magazine. BTW. 1 can of lager, a packet of smokes and a dirty mag will cost you more than 2 hours LT with a bar girl.
Lets get on track here guys. Thailand's positives far outweigh its negatives. Have you guys forgotten what white pussy tastes like?
Yes, from a true monger's point of view, you are absolutaly right but, some (like me) did not come to thailand for the pussy. I am not complaining that it's there, I made it clear with my reviews that I enjoy it but it is not my primary concern.
Thailand could be such a successful country.... but hey... who am I to critisize! Look at my country :(
Titanium is a disco/club in Soi 22. If you walk up Soi 22 from Sukhumvit it is located after approx. 100 m on the right hand side.
Titanium is quite famous for two reasons:
- a girl band playing there (Unicorn, playing Mo. to Sa.)
- an Ice Bar on the upper floor
I went there yesterday, had an invitation for a socalled "Back to School" party. Girls and customers dressed in school uniforms.
The club is built into two shophouses - it is not too big at all. On the lower level is the bar/disco, where the band is playing, on the upper floor the ice bar and some seat groups, a kind of dance floor.
When I entered I did not really like the style - cold black tiles on the floor, plainly painted walls, no interesting decoration at all. But - it was 10 pm, and the club was quite crowded, a good number of customers.
There are approximately 30 girls working, some of them are going with customers. Others are only serving and drinking with customers. Bar fines are quite high - around THB 2000 during the week, and for this party day it was THB 3000. The girls look ok, some stunners - some so-so.
Service is good, girls are not pushy, drinks well mixed, prices relatively on the high side. But the real highlight is: The Band!!!
6 younger Thai women are playing rock, funk, mainstream pop on a real high level. Really good. Sound is difficult to adjust in the relatively small club, so it is sometimes quite loud. But the quality of the musicians is really high, and the music catches the audience and turn the customers into a gang of rocking youngsters. Dancing everywhere, chaos pure.
Forget about the ice bar - was in there, drank a lemon-vodka mix, it's cold, the bar is made from ice - and that's it. Just a marketing gag. The band is it. Without the band this club will not exist much longer.
Yesterday was obviously a special day for the band, too. Suddenly a young Thai (male) took over the keyboard, and they started a jam session. Good improvisation, great understanding between the musicians, keyboard, guitar and bass soli - it was great. The best what I have heard in Bangkok since a very long time.
I can recommend that club for the band. It's really good entertainment.
Giotto
Yes, from a true monger's point of view, you are absolutaly right but, some (like me) did not come to thailand for the pussy. I am not complaining that it's there, I made it clear with my reviews that I enjoy it but it is not my primary concern.
Thailand could be such a successful country.... but hey... who am I to critisize! Look at my country :(My view is not a "Mongers view" I came over here because I married a Thai who wanted to return to her homeland. I was dragged over here kicking and screaming. Yeah. Fucking right!
Serious. There are things that [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off here. But they are too few and trivial to mention. I love this country. In all honesty. My fellow Brits fuck me off more than any Thai does.
I know this is ISG. But is the discussion about a country really needed to be limited to mongering. Man, if this is what we are discussing in this thread at least. I can only shake my head.
Yes mongering is great in Thailand. But the country itself would have also a lot of possibilities if they society would get their act together. I still love this country for the warmth and friendliness of his people. Yes they are always bad apples. But I do not find Thailand as bad as other asian countries.
But please if we want to have serious discussion. A situation of a country doesn't define itself by the situation of its mongering possibilities. In this I can only support NicFrenchy and NicFrenchy. About the comment about your own country. Well I can feel for you I feel the same about my country although I still find yours better. I have grown up at 10km of the border of your country.
Horologist
04-25-09, 15:16
Rick’s Bar, the Grand Prix, was the very first go-go in Bangkok, and the seed that started Patpong and go-go dancing in Thailand.
Having been a frequent patron at Grand Prix, the only sport I ever witnesses was….what it still is.
May Rick rest in peace.
Former Bangkok sports bar owner dies
Published: 25/04/2009 at 12:00 AM
Rick Menard, who founded and managed the Grand Prix Bar on Patpong, one of Thailand's first sports bars for expatriates and the bar that introduced a-go-go dancing to Thailand, died from cancer earlier this month in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Before coming to Thailand, Menard had served with the US military where in 1962 he had been stationed in Nha Trang, Vietnam and where he had become the first serving US serviceman to be legally married to a Vietnamese national.
After leaving the military in 1966, Menard joined a civilian company in Vietnam where he stayed until mid-1968 before he was transferred to Nakhon Ratchasima (Korat) in Thailand.
Later he came to Bangkok where he met Udom Patpong and decided to open a bar. The Grand Prix Cocktail Lounge and Bar was born in a converted gift shop on Patpong Road.
For over 22 years, since its opening in February 1969, the Grand Prix was a hub of nightlife on Patpong Road and many international sports stars passed through its doors.
Among these included Formula One motor racing champion Jackie Stewart of Scotland, boxing promoter Don King, World Boxing Council president Jose Sulaiman, world heavyweight champion Pinklon Thomas and light welterweight champion Saul Mamby.
Other big name visitors had included Mr and Mrs Walter Cronkite, Bob Hope, Tennessee Williams and actor Willem Dafoe.
Menard, who was a great boxing fan, retired from owning and managing the Grand Prix in April 1991 and moved to Las Vegas where his two daughters, then seven and nine years old, could get good schooling.
He died in a Nevada hospital on April 16.
Ralph Kramden
04-25-09, 15:21
It is called the "Sugar Daddy Blues". She saw the end coming and decided to jump ship like any ordinary rat would. You were warned about what would happen several months ago by more than one poster.
Don't take it personal, it is just the way it is. Money talks and BS walks in Thailand. She walked.
Old Thai Hand
04-25-09, 16:17
It is called the "Sugar Daddy Blues". She saw the end coming and decided to jump ship like any ordinary rat would. You were warned about what would happen several months ago by more than one poster.
Don't take it personal, it is just the way it is. Money talks and BS walks in Thailand. She walked.
Geez. And, I'M the one always accused of generalizations and being negative...Talk about a limited, cynical view.
If you're referring to me in the above post...
While what you say is usually a reason for break-ups in relationships that originated in P4P, you've got it wrong, in this case.
I was never a sugar-daddy. Her family has money and are paying the whole lot (about $11,000 US, by my calculation) for her to go to the US to study. She has never asked me for much of anything in the 3 years we've lived together. She could have done a lot better than me, both in terms of looks and youth, as well as money. We're not talking about some Isaan farmgirl with limited options. We're talking about someone, quite attractive, from a good family, in a position to have a considerable amount of choice in terms of men of quality. She also doesn't actually want to break up with me. She asked me to wait 6 months until she returns from the program she's enrolled in. It's me that told her I wouldn't wait and I ended it.
But, I'm not interested in elaborating further, as a way to convince anyone.
Believe what you want.
Case closed. I don't want to talk about this anymore.
What happened to them?
They used to have some interesting mongering info.
Guys, can you please provide some pointers finding Russian hookers in BKK? Russian poontang is obviously not the primary purpose of my visits to BKK, but I have had decent experiences with them in the past and I find that it rounds my trip experience nicely.
On my last trip, I think I went to the Novotel Siam Square disco (does that sound right), but on this trip, ~1030pm it was dead. In addition there was a cover charge of 650 THB, which means not only do you have to pay your own cover, but the girls are going to ask more money to compensate for their costs. Thats 1,300 THB down at the get go - a bit too much in my opinion. Also went to Grace Hotel; the coffee shop downstairs was dead, but there was sprinkling of Russian action on the ground floor (this was the first time I explored the hotel lobby area - its a huge place, with girls hanging out all around), but mostly older women.
Would greatly appreciate any pointers. Also, does anyone have experience negotiating with them? Do you negotiate details of services with them up front? Whats a good price to pay for all-night? I think they generally don't do BBBJ.
Lastly, does anybody have experience with the same above questions for Phuket and Pattaya?
Thanks a lot in advance and apoloies if this has been already covered on the forum. I have spent a fair amount of time looking through and have only found cursory references to Russian action, so please point me in the right direction.
What happened to them?
They used to have some interesting mongering info.
http://www.bigmangobar.com/
JohnnieBravo
04-26-09, 01:04
I too would like some good intel on where one could find Russian/Eastern Block women...not the reason to come to LOS but a nice rounding out of the experience is an excellent way to put it.
On the Grace Hotel....I have heard various accountings of this place. I for one am a fan of this place as a mongering hangout. Aside from the fact that the so-called Coffee Shop downstairs serves way after hours, I know of no other place (correct me senior BKK punters if you know of any other place meeting this criteria because I will surely go there) that has a large lobby area where one can sit and relax in air conditioning and relative comfort and watch a large assortment of women walk by. The place is very very active. When you see one that catches your interest you can stop her and chat.
I have heard complaints that some of the girls that hang out there are on the heavier side but that is great for me because I prefer women who are a little thicker with some comfortable padding. Interest segway, I have noticed that there are more Thai ladies who are thicker now then I did even 5 years ago. Anyone else make this observation?
I did not notice the girls being any older then average....really if one sits there a while and relaxes and takes a break from that stifling heat there will be a girl who stolls by who will strike your fancy.
I have sometimes seen some Russian/Eastern Block women in the downstairs coffee shop but you have to go there very late to see them I believe. I have heard rumors about middle eastern women working in BKK but I have never seen them. I have even heard rumors about latina women working in BKK but have not seen them either. Any comments anyone?
What happened to them?
They used to have some interesting mongering info.
Depending on where you log on (what country, that is) you may not get a link to Big Mango. Try this for the blog...http://www.tfs2m.com/
The Farang Speaks Too Much the the tfs2m bit, easy to remember.
M P Lurker
04-26-09, 03:11
What happened to them?
They used to have some interesting mongering info.
Changed name to wickedtraveler:
e.g.
http://www.wickedtraveler.com/city-map-guide/?cityid=Bangkok
Based on TimTimGuy's post, I might be wrong, or maybe there was some sort of split.
On the Grace Hotel....I have heard various accountings of this place. I for one am a fan of this place as a mongering hangout. Aside from the fact that the so-called Coffee Shop downstairs serves way after hours, I know of no other place (correct me senior BKK punters if you know of any other place meeting this criteria because I will surely go there) that has a large lobby area where one can sit and relax in air conditioning and relative comfort and watch a large assortment of women walk by. The place is very very active. When you see one that catches your interest you can stop her and chat.
Ditto. As mentioned in my original post, I was pretty impressed with this place. It has a very different vibe to it because of the size, presence of Arabs and the dynamics of negotiations.
In terms of dynamics of negotiations, girls approaching you is fairly uncommon here. They'll briefly catch your eye to indicate that they're available, but then they'll continue to sit where they're sitting and expect you to approach them and start negotiations, during which, I found the girls to be in not as much of a salesy mode as in other places. My guess is, at least in part due to the large number of arabs here, the dynamics are skewed in the girls' favor (I think thats also the reason girls are more full-figured). Prices are typically higher. The east european and middle eastern girls travel here from their home countries, I suspect live in more expensive apartments than TGs, go to discos (like Novotel Siam Sq, where the cover is 650 THB and then to Grace coffee shop, where its 200 THB) and as a result, in my limited experiences at this place, won't go below 4,000 THB for long-term. Separately, I also heard from the girls that Arabs don't treat them well.
I also got the impression that they're used to haggling about price, but don't get into details of services. As I found out after taking a few of them over the years, BBBJ is almost always OFF the menu. Some will even refuse to do a CBJ. One such was a middle eastern woman here, with whom I have actually had one of the most GFE-type experiences of my moderately prolific mongering career.
Would somebody in the know be kind enough to commennt on how Grace lobby / coffee shop compares with Nana Disco in terms of girl quality, quantity, racial variety and timing of action, etc.?
Another observation: the whole area around Grace Hotel is swarming with significantly down-market street walkers, who I think most middle-class westerners won't consider bedding, even if they were getting a free lay in their home countries, let alone pay for it. Very different quality of experience.
I have heard complaints that some of the girls that hang out there are on the heavier side but that is great for me because I prefer women who are a little thicker with some comfortable padding.
You are my kinda guy. I am not into the thin anorexic types either. And actually on this trip, I found the LOS experience a lot less appealing now that I've been exposed to better venues for my tastes in South America and Europe.
I have sometimes seen some Russian/Eastern Block women in the downstairs coffee shop but you have to go there very late to see them I believe. I have heard rumors about middle eastern women working in BKK but I have never seen them. I have even heard rumors about latina women working in BKK but have not seen them either. Any comments anyone?
Some of the ones in Grace are middle eastern, although more so from countries like Kazakhstan / Uzbegistan (sp??), with parents from Iran, Turkey, etc. than directly from middle eastern countries. Latinas... that would be nice indeed. Anyone intel on them, and non-Thais in general, would be most welcome.
Didn't tell my two regular freebies I was going to be in BKK. Wanted to try something new. So got 2 chicks interested the previous day. G1 and G2. On way from airport I set times back to back. One I was to meet at 11:30pm and next one 12:30am. Depending on how G1 would go, I would adjust G2.
Met G1 - no good. Went to get a beer anyways. At 12:15 told G1 I had to go and was too tired. We hopped into a cab, and I jumped out near my hotel and gave the taxi 100 bhat and told him to take this girl home. I crossed the street and she calls me: "Are you sure you want me to go home". Yes baby, go home!! She definelty wanted to come home with me..
On to G2. I was suspiscious of G2 because of the place she asked me to meet. It is a bar (Spassos) in the Grand Hayatt where all the expensive (5000Bhat/night) WGs hang out. So I go there, it is 1am, text her and she is at the entrance of the bar, wearing this beautiful black dress. Fuck, she is cute. And I think. She is probably one of the WGs that work the bar. Didn't want to do that, so I chat with her for 5 mins, she tells me she was at some party with her friends and then came here. She pointed to her friends who looked like working girls too. So I bailed, told her I am tired and walked back to my hotel which is around the corner.
Woke up next day, working from room and G2 IMs me. Asks me why I took off blah blah blah. Tells me she wants to meet again. So I try to figure out if she is a working girl. She tells me she lives near the airport, has her own car, own condo and works for some export company. She also tells me about some pilot she met who tried to make a move on her (kiss her in public) and she was a bit offended.... hhhhmmm.... interesting. So I say ok, will meet her again tonight.
Have dinner with my friend and then ask her to meet me near a big shopping mall at 8:30pm. She pulls up in brand new Honda Civic, rolls down the window and asks me to hop in. Doesn't tell me where we are going. End up at a German brewery, have 2 lites of beer and start to get buzzed. 11pm then we head off to Silom. Live band there, more beer, tequila shots, dancing. 1am, time to head back. Tell her she cannot drive. Take her keys and I am zipping down the streets of Bangkok back to my hotel. Park the car in the hotel, go up, put on some hip hop, she flops on the bed with the "fuck me" look in her eyes. clothes fly off, bada bing bada boom.....
Wake up in the morning, another round. Take a shower and I iron my clothes for the airport, refuses to let me iron my pants, says she will do it for me. Hmmm......
Go to airport, starts to text me, asks me what I feel in my heart for her, tells me she usually does not go out with foreigners and "do not give my body to man". Yeah Right!!
Back home. She IMs me, tells me some sad story about her ex-boyfriend who bailed on her. Tells me next time I can stay with her for free and can let me use her car to go to meetings. Tells me again she does not fuck around and she has not done it in a long time.
All in all a happy ending
-JM
NicFrenchy
04-26-09, 08:57
Go to airport, starts to text me, asks me what I feel in my heart for her, tells me she usually does not go out with foreigners and "do not give my body to man". Yeah Right!!
Great Story.
Many girls here have boyfriends but most will fuck around, keep their options open.
I am always amazed at how girls don't blink an eyelid about having 1 official Boyfriend and 3 or 4 giks on the back burner. According to your status on her scale, you will get to fuck her or not. In other words, if you are a serious contender to replace the official boyfriend (should something happend), then she will gladly let you fuck her.
Heck, I can't count how many giks I fuck that were either married or had serious boyfriends. These girls react like most western guys: if they see something they crave, they don't let it pass. :D
Crocodilexp
04-26-09, 09:18
Guys, can you please provide some pointers finding Russian hookers in BKK? Apart from Grace and Novotel that you mentioned, another place is the Rajah hotel on Sukhumwit Soi 4, and Mike's place on Soi 3 north of Grace (on the opposite side). The scene is not obvious, you need to ask a pimp / bellboy about the girls, and he'll take you to a room.
Both places are very tightly run, but there are some pretty Eastern European girls (clear step up from Grace). They seem to be actually Russian / Ukrainian (some with blue eyes etc.), not central-Asian as most in Grace.
At Rajah, I've had girls for 2500 ST (all inclusive, on the premises). The pimp might try to ask for more (for the room etc.) but they'd let you in do it for this much (paid in advance).
For this you get 1 pop, I think up to ~40 min with the girl (I never bumped against the time limit). Attitude is not terrible, though it depends on the girl and is of course much less sweet than Thais. Brief shower together before/after, no BBBJ, but usually competent CBJ (doesn't do much for me), and you can do her in various positions. Helps to take V and to try not to finish too quickly, as the session lasts only as long as you do.
The girls do work hard and get a lot of mileage, maybe 5-10 customers / night -- managers of the operation make very decent buck, while girls don't get much (500 per customer). This based on talking to a girl -- not sure how truthful, but no reason to doubt it -- she was very matter-of-fact and not whining about it.
There are 20+ girls at Rajah and 5 at Mike's -- usually a good percentage are busy so if you don't find something you like, you can come later.
Great Story.
Many girls here have boyfriends but most will fuck around, keep their options open.
I am always amazed at how girls don't blink an eyelid about having 1 official Boyfriend and 3 or 4 giks on the back burner. According to your status on her scale, you will get to fuck her or not. In other words, if you are a serious contender to replace the official boyfriend (should something happend), then she will gladly let you fuck her.
Heck, I can't count how many giks I fuck that were either married or had serious boyfriends. These girls react like most western guys: if they see something they crave, they don't let it pass. :DThis is what I was meaning. There the money come from. She may be a mia noi and realy working in a companie but she is not on her own she has a sponsor. Normal hight so thai do not meet with farang.
So on the hand anyhow even you can fuck for free later will cost your more some how she will get your money.
May Rick rest in peace.
Sorry to hear this. Whether they know of him or not, anybody who appreciates the go-gos of Thailand owes Rick a debt of gratitude. It was kind of a radical idea when he introduced it, but it did catch on . . . to say the least.
RIP, Rick.
IrishLager
04-27-09, 01:39
I have a buddy and his farang GF coming over in mid-May and they want to do a little naughty site seeing. I'm gonna take them to Suzie Wong's lezzie show and various go-go's and they mentioned wanting to see the pussy dart and ping pong shows that Patpong is famous for. It's not my thing and as long as I've been a part time expat/regular visitor (7 years), I've never seen these shows, so I was wondering which places have them. I know they're in Patpong, but that's as far as I know.
NicFrenchy
04-27-09, 01:57
I have a buddy and his farang GF coming over in mid-May and they want to do a little naughty site seeing. I'm gonna take them to Suzie Wong's lezzie show and various go-go's and they mentioned wanting to see the pussy dart and ping pong shows that Patpong is famous for. It's not my thing and as long as I've been a part time expat/regular visitor (7 years), I've never seen these shows, so I was wondering which places have them. I know they're in Patpong, but that's as far as I know.
If I recall properly, no need to go to Patpong anymore. Soi Cowboy (Long gun to be exact) had a Ping Pong & Darts show last year. I am not sure if they continue to do it but since the day I saw these shows there, I never set foon in Long gun again.
If I recall properly, no need to go to Patpong anymore. Soi Cowboy (Long gun to be exact) had a Ping Pong & Darts show last year. I am not sure if they continue to do it but since the day I saw these shows there, I never set foon in Long gun again.I was there last year October and I saw a Ping Pong show at Long Gun.
I'm sure nothing has changed since then? Although you might want to make sure the night you go on isn't usually a quiet night of sorts or there might not be any performances so to speak?
If I recall properly, no need to go to Patpong anymore. Soi Cowboy (Long gun to be exact) had a Ping Pong & Darts show last year. I am not sure if they continue to do it but since the day I saw these shows there, I never set foon in Long gun again.Yes confirmed ,as of last week Dart show , smoking pussy show and all that stuff still going strong at Long Gun (Soi cowboy)
Deep Diver
04-27-09, 06:49
Have you guys forgotten what white pussy tastes like?Does it taste like Chicken?
Does it taste like Chicken? No! More like rotting fish. Do you remember the times you have fingered a white bird and then smelt your fingers before making the decision to eat it?
Any country that spreads shit with bog roll and not wash it with a bum gun is a little "behind" in my opinion!
Wandered into this Five Star Music Lounge place last night. It's just on the end of the Boyz Town strip off Surawongse, though I came from the other end. Asian-oriented, has lounge chairs and a stage with guys who sing well, and some young girls who sing badly. Place looks kinda timewarped. Papasan asked if I want lady to take care me. There's a big sign saying Private Room pointing upstairs. Wasn't planning on having any so didn't inquire further. Anyone happen to know it?
M P Lurker
04-27-09, 15:32
Naw, tastes like pig.
ROFLMAO. Nice to see your handle pop up.
You have been greatly missed, particularly on the Photo Gallery. The NoCBJ4Me hotties were something special. I hardly even go look at the Photo Gallery much these days, but today I just had to check.
Brown Rail
04-27-09, 17:18
Sometimes I like to go see a pussy show. Like Shawty in Low, etc, I like to see beautiful women dancing nude. Ideally the view is close and explicit. Just sit back and enjoy. It is even better if one of the girls sits with me gently rubbing my dick for a while, and of course it should be inexpensive entertainment.
This can be just what you get at second floor bars in Patpong. I have been there maybe five or six times over 15 years. Yes it is seedy. Yes the pussy smoking, blow darts/balloon popping, razor blade/flower necklace things are all tired. And yes, many of the women on the second floor are past there sell-by dates. But sometimes there are a few beautiful women, and they are so comfortable being naked that you get a great show. Sometimes I needed to go into two or three bars before I found just the right mix of pretty dancers and girls to sit with but most of the times it is entertaining.
I have read that you need to be careful, going only to the Kings or Queens bars, but I have never had a problem. That is, before this trip. I was in BKK last week and had a few evening hours to kill. I had two experiences I want to share as a warning.
The first is a basic transport scam. I had been shopping for computer bits at Pantip Plaza. I had not been in a while and on my map it looked like Patpong was just the other side of a big block. So I asked the motorcycle taxi how much. He wanted B150, which seemed too high. I tried another few and got them down to B100, which still seemed too high. I usually ignore the tok toks as they are always more than a taxi and not as efficient in traffic as a motorcycle. But this guy kept following me. Finally he said B50, so I agreed. The motorcycle drivers said something aggressive to him, and him to them, then they all laughed – I sensed something was weird, but hey. We then drove for a while and he dropped me off, I think, near Siam Square. I did not recognize it but he insisted it was just around the corner. I paid him b50 and then walked several blocks in the direction he pointed before I realized that he had only taken me half way! In fact Patpong was farther away than I had thought. It then cost me another b50 on a motorcycle to make it the other half. Live and learn. Clearly he had told the motorcycle drivers "will teach this cheap farang a lesson"
Lesson: don’t pay the driver until you are at your destination, and you are sure it is right. Lesson 2: if the drivers are laughing among themselves, they are laughing at you!
When I got to Patpong I walked around. The touts were pressing their shows with the list of sex acts. Oblivious to the old advice about Kings and Queens, as I had never had a problem before, I decided on Show Girls bar. Just to be sure I checked: the tout confirmed happy hour beers were I think b100 and no cover.
When I got up there, there were a few nude girls on strange and a few walking around. I ordered a Coke. The waitress asked me to buy her one, of course I laughed and said no. Soon one of the naked girls was snuggling next to me, feeling my crotch and asking that I buy her a coke. I asked how much her drink was, and she said same as yours. So what do you say to a cut naked girl who is holding your dick and asks for a drink that costs $3? Of course. So I ordered it and as soon as I had, coincidentally I am sure, it was her turn to dance.
There were several cute girls dancing and really letting me see all. And there were some older, fatter less attractive ones blowing out candles and shooting bananas. Others asked me to buy drinks and I declined.
After about 15 minutes with my lady still dancing I had had enough, so I asked for the bill (check bin). I had to ask a few times but after a while the mamasan came over with a bill, and it was for some B2, 500! It included an entertainment charge for B1, 000, about 5 drinks, and I don’t know what. I told her it was the wrong bill, she told me that her girls are expensive. She asked how many drinks I bought, pointing to all the half drunk lady drink glasses still laying around from before I arrived. Though the one I did order never came, I honestly said that I had ordered one. And since the price was the same as mine, I owed b200 for two drinks. I told her that the doorman had told me no cover charge. She said who told you that lady drinks were only b100, they are b300. I explained that both the dancer and waitress had said so, and – amazingly they had both by then disappeared. I think at that point she said she would take b1, 500.
So I had a decision, pay her about $40 or, if only to show you guys I was no pansy, stand on my principles and pay only what I properly owe. So upholding the ISG honor I handed her b200 and headed for the door. Of course at this point the goons came out. Fortunately it was early evening and the goons were all old women. One blocked the door with her fat body. She must have been late 50s. What she was doing in the bar is probably some sad tale. Do you think she was a hot lay 30 years ago? At that point she was just a big door stop, so I moved her. She then made some half hearted attempt at a side kick, missing me altogether. I opened the door and headed down the stairs – half expecting some empty beer bottles to hit me from behind. At the bottom I had words with the touts, but they could care less.
A walked quickly through the crowd of the night market, just in case someone was following. None were. I then ran into the touts at one of the Queens bars. He assured me that it was a good show, no cover and no [financial] monkey business. Humm. I knew I had to figure this out for you guys so up I went. There were cute girls. Naked. Shaved and furry pussys. The stupid banana show. I was waiting. I was surrounded by girls, one hold my dick. The waitress asked for my drink. How much is a coke Miss? B100? Ok. Girl opens my fly and reaches in side. Mmmm waitress comes back with my coke, puts the bill into the cup. I check, yes it is b100. Girls all ask for drinks. I ask waitress how much. She says same as your’s. I order one for the girl gently rubbing my now comfortable hard on. The drink comes, the waitress puts the bill into the cup, and yes it says b100. I enjoy the show.
Eventually the girl asks that we move from the bar back to the long couch. It is not in front of the door. She says she will blow me for b500 but I am not too interested, for health safety, in her mouth. I tell her to get some baby oil and just stroke me for a while. It was very nice, watching the show, chatting with some of the other girls, all while she gently stroked. Eventually I came. Then the bill came: b200. No surprises. Nice!
But I am still unsatisfied. How could the first bar have caught me so off guard? I thought I asked all the right questions before. I felt, for the sake of ISG research, I had to figure this out.
Next I went to Supper Pussy. I was super-careful to get it right this time. I asked the door men any cover? Any other charges? How much is a drink? After getting assurances and urgings to "just look" I went upstairs. I notice several guys coming out as I walk in, they are smiling. This one is smaller and a bit newer than Show Girls. But same story. A few cute girls dancing on stage – and a few I am not sure were girls at all – a few not so cute ones. Immediately a cute one sits next to me and grabs hold of Mr Happy. I ask her and the waitress how much is the drink. It is about B100. So I say yes to one. Soon the mamasan is nagging me to buy her a drink, but no. Then she wants me to take the girl to the short time room downstairs. It is "only b2, 500". I tell her I am not interested, even at b1, 000. I just want to enjoy the show, buy some drinks. She leaves, coming back every few minutes to try gain. I ask her where is the receipt for my drink, and for that of the girl rubbing my crotch? "coming". Again in about 5 minutes. It is coming. Eventually I tire of the girl nagging me and get up. I take my drink and cup and go next to the stage. One of the other girls is putting ice cubes in her pussy. The girl follows, even though I ask her to go away. Then the mama again. Where are my receipts? .coming, just wait. Eventually I can see there is a problem and ask for the bill. Just wait. Go to the bar. I put the b200 (my drink and the girl’s) on the bar and head to the door. It is strange as there are other customers, but they don’t seem to be afraid of putting them off. Maybe it is because I am a single foreign guy. Anyway, there is a guy blocking the door and the mamasan chasing me now, with the bil. B2, 500! What the fuck? So much for the honor among thieves. The door men said no charges, the girl and waitress said b100 per drink. I point this out. The mamasan says who said that? Where are they? Of course they have all disappeared. I told the mamasan I left the b200 on the bar. She says that is not the price. She wants b300. How silly! So I hand her another b100 and the goons open the door.
Outside I give the door man shit, but he does not care. I think head to another Kings bar and relax for a bit. After a while I try one more non-Kings bar. It is the same. This time triple check at the door. When I get there I ask how much is my drink. Then the girls come. How much for their’s? Then I order mine only. Wait for the bill. Does not come. Ask the bar tender. It is coming. Ask again. It is coming. Girls nagging me. I tell them not until I see my bill. Finally I just put b100 in the cup and go to leave. The mamasan comes over and says I owe lots. I just laugh. "What about the lady drinks, she asks? I tell her there were no drinks. She says but I spoke to the girls. LOL they were trying to get me to buy drinks. Am not going to pay for their hustling. In this bar there is no door, just stairs. I am out the door before she can organize any goons.
So I go back to Show Girls where the touts are trying to get a group of Aussies up stairs. I warn them what will happen; they move on. I wink at the tout. Then I head over to Supper Pussy where I warned off two British couples (girls were hot and my mind wandered if they my "participate".) who were about to go in. I did a bit of shopping in the night market and every time I passed one of the bars I warned of the prospective customers and gave the touts a big smile. I half expected them to do something about it but they just sucked it up. I guess if they really just want to hold you up there is no matter how careful you are you can get held up. Pretty sad.
Took a motorcycle taxi to hotel on Sukhumvit. B60. No problems.
So you have been warned!
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Tok Took and Patpong warningWow, Thanks for the heads up!
It's because of newbies like me that prices tend to jack up. I considerably paid more for all the services you mentioned last time I was there, and that in August! (Taxi from Patong to Sukhumvit 200 B, Drinks 120-150B, Lady Drinks 120-150B, extra services in the back 1, 000 minimum). Oh and I just couldn't refuse any lady drinks almost bought a round in every place I went, like a dumb farang. Had fun of course but, apparently paid 10 times the price.
Anyways, I'm going again this coming August, and I am definetely more prepared this time.
Except. Might seem like a dumb question. What are "Kings & Queens" bars?
NicFrenchy
04-28-09, 02:50
Lesson: don’t pay the driver until you are at your destination, and you are sure it is right. Lesson 2: if the drivers are laughing among themselves, they are laughing at you!
Fantastic report!! I really felt like I was sitting there with you the whole time. Thumbs-up!
About the TukTuk, I think the LEsson is NOT that you have to pay the driver when arriving at your destination but rather not try to be too much of a cheapstake and save $1, ending up looking like an ass.
Brown Rail
04-28-09, 03:47
Fantastic report! I really felt like I was sitting there with you the whole time. Thumbs-up!
About the TukTuk, I think the LEsson is NOT that you have to pay the driver when arriving at your destination but rather not try to be too much of a cheapstake and save $1, ending up looking like an ass.Thanks for your kind words. With respect to the Tuk Tuk, the difference was b100, or about $3. That is the cost of 3 beers in an expensive bar. Generally I just don’t like to be taken advantage of and am anyways comfortable bargaining Asian style. My goal is to be treated like a local. I usually get close.
Here, my point of reference is a taxi. I would think that a motorcycle should be less than the cost of a taxi. After all there is no car, no license and less fuel. Also they are faster, so the motorcycle can in theory do more fares. But these guys know they are better in traffic and the tourists who use them are more likely to value their time and convenience, so will pay more. It seems that they will ask b100-150 for most runs, but accept b40-80 (I am guessing b20-40 for locals). Anyway, I would not let a driver in New York or Manila cheat me, why would I in Bangkok?
In practice I try to estimate the cost of a taxi and then get the motorcycles at 100-150% of that. Usually it is about right and they accept it.
But the lesson here is just avoid the tuk tuks. They are no longer transport but are archade rides for tourists, and priced accordingly. If I had stuck in my negotiations with the motorcycles we would have arrived at a fair amount. Instead I let a tuk tuk crook sway me, even when my intuition said something was wrong (remember the angry words between the motorcycles and the tuk tuk driver?)
Cunning Stunt
04-28-09, 05:01
....I tell her to get some baby oil and just stroke me for a while. It was very nice, watching the show, chatting with some of the other girls, all while she gently stroked. Eventually I came. Then the bill came: b200. No surprises. Nice! ...
Brill report BR!!
CC ALERT: Now we all know where to get a HJ (with drinks) for 200 baht;).
Always smile inwardly when I see tourists riding tuk-tuks. They invariably pay more than a taxi would cost for the pleasure of sucking up lungfuls of foul Bangkok exhaust fumes.
For 50 baht, I am suprised he didn't whip you off on a side trip to his favourite gem shop or other tourist trap where he could earn a fat commission.
I have read that you need to be careful, going only to the Kings or Queens bars, but I have never had a problem. That is, before this trip.
Awesome, many thanks for the commando work. Two nights ago I was curious about going upstairs again for a change, but remembering my last experience (taken upstairs by a kindly food vendor lady, together with my sweet pinoy girl, and shaken down for 2000+), didn't bother.
The one legit bar you mentioned sounds worthwhile. The others .. all that effort put in by touts, girls, management, just to run a scene into the ground .. crazy ..
With respect to the Tuk Tuk, the difference was b100, or about $3. That is the cost of 3 beers in an expensive bar.
b33 for a beer in 7-11, yes. In any bar with a door, or a roof for that matter, not in Bangkok. Unless I'm missing all these places?
Went to R3 last night, pretty dead. Had about 10 girls and 5 customers. Its was raining pretty hard so I stayed in until 1 am. Sweet Young Thing # 28, about 20 yrs old but the bar fine and price was ridiculous. 600 BF, 2000 ST and 300 for room. I was drunk and horny but decided not too.
Cool thing was they let me smoked in the bar, guess because I was the only one there. Mama was nice but if the price was better I would have taken her home. Times are hard but there are standards, don't want to mess it up for everyone else. Can't give in. LOL
Bought her a few drinks and tipped her 300 for chilling with me. Went home wet, it was pouring and alone.
Off to Pattaya tomorrow.
Mal
Sometimes I like to go see a pussy show. Like Shawty in Low, etc, I like to see beautiful women dancing nude. Ideally the view is close and explicit. Just sit back and enjoy. It is even better if one of the girls sits with me gently rubbing my dick for a while, and of course it should be inexpensive entertainment.
This can be just what you get at second floor bars in Patpong. I have been there maybe five or six times over 15 years. Yes it is seedy. Yes the pussy smoking, blow darts/balloon popping, razor blade/flower necklace things are all tired. And yes, many of the women on the second floor are past there sell-by dates. But sometimes there are a few beautiful women, and they are so comfortable being naked that you get a great show. Sometimes I needed to go into two or three bars before I found just the right mix of pretty dancers and girls to sit with but most of the times it is entertaining.
I have read that you need to be careful, going only to the Kings or Queens bars, but I have never had a problem. That is, before this trip. I was in BKK last week and had a few evening hours to kill. I had two experiences I want to share as a warning.
The first is a basic transport scam. I had been shopping for computer bits at Pantip Plaza. I had not been in a while and on my map it looked like Patpong was just the other side of a big block. So I asked the motorcycle taxi how much. He wanted B150, which seemed too high. I tried another few and got them down to B100, which still seemed too high. I usually ignore the tok toks as they are always more than a taxi and not as efficient in traffic as a motorcycle. But this guy kept following me. Finally he said B50, so I agreed. The motorcycle drivers said something aggressive to him, and him to them, then they all laughed – I sensed something was weird, but hey. We then drove for a while and he dropped me off, I think, near Siam Square. I did not recognize it but he insisted it was just around the corner. I paid him b50 and then walked several blocks in the direction he pointed before I realized that he had only taken me half way! In fact Patpong was farther away than I had thought. It then cost me another b50 on a motorcycle to make it the other half. Live and learn. Clearly he had told the motorcycle drivers "will teach this cheap farang a lesson"
Lesson: don’t pay the driver until you are at your destination, and you are sure it is right. Lesson 2: if the drivers are laughing among themselves, they are laughing at you!
When I got to Patpong I walked around. The touts were pressing their shows with the list of sex acts. Oblivious to the old advice about Kings and Queens, as I had never had a problem before, I decided on Show Girls bar. Just to be sure I checked: the tout confirmed happy hour beers were I think b100 and no cover.
When I got up there, there were a few nude girls on strange and a few walking around. I ordered a Coke. The waitress asked me to buy her one, of course I laughed and said no. Soon one of the naked girls was snuggling next to me, feeling my crotch and asking that I buy her a coke. I asked how much her drink was, and she said same as yours. So what do you say to a cut naked girl who is holding your dick and asks for a drink that costs $3? Of course. So I ordered it and as soon as I had, coincidentally I am sure, it was her turn to dance.
There were several cute girls dancing and really letting me see all. And there were some older, fatter less attractive ones blowing out candles and shooting bananas. Others asked me to buy drinks and I declined.
After about 15 minutes with my lady still dancing I had had enough, so I asked for the bill (check bin). I had to ask a few times but after a while the mamasan came over with a bill, and it was for some B2, 500! It included an entertainment charge for B1, 000, about 5 drinks, and I don’t know what. I told her it was the wrong bill, she told me that her girls are expensive. She asked how many drinks I bought, pointing to all the half drunk lady drink glasses still laying around from before I arrived. Though the one I did order never came, I honestly said that I had ordered one. And since the price was the same as mine, I owed b200 for two drinks. I told her that the doorman had told me no cover charge. She said who told you that lady drinks were only b100, they are b300. I explained that both the dancer and waitress had said so, and – amazingly they had both by then disappeared. I think at that point she said she would take b1, 500.
So I had a decision, pay her about $40 or, if only to show you guys I was no pansy, stand on my principles and pay only what I properly owe. So upholding the ISG honor I handed her b200 and headed for the door. Of course at this point the goons came out. Fortunately it was early evening and the goons were all old women. One blocked the door with her fat body. She must have been late 50s. What she was doing in the bar is probably some sad tale. Do you think she was a hot lay 30 years ago? At that point she was just a big door stop, so I moved her. She then made some half hearted attempt at a side kick, missing me altogether. I opened the door and headed down the stairs – half expecting some empty beer bottles to hit me from behind. At the bottom I had words with the touts, but they could care less.
A walked quickly through the crowd of the night market, just in case someone was following. None were. I then ran into the touts at one of the Queens bars. He assured me that it was a good show, no cover and no [financial] monkey business. Humm. I knew I had to figure this out for you guys so up I went. There were cute girls. Naked. Shaved and furry pussys. The stupid banana show. I was waiting. I was surrounded by girls, one hold my dick. The waitress asked for my drink. How much is a coke Miss? B100? Ok. Girl opens my fly and reaches in side. Mmmm waitress comes back with my coke, puts the bill into the cup. I check, yes it is b100. Girls all ask for drinks. I ask waitress how much. She says same as your’s. I order one for the girl gently rubbing my now comfortable hard on. The drink comes, the waitress puts the bill into the cup, and yes it says b100. I enjoy the show.
Eventually the girl asks that we move from the bar back to the long couch. It is not in front of the door. She says she will blow me for b500 but I am not too interested, for health safety, in her mouth. I tell her to get some baby oil and just stroke me for a while. It was very nice, watching the show, chatting with some of the other girls, all while she gently stroked. Eventually I came. Then the bill came: b200. No surprises. Nice!
But I am still unsatisfied. How could the first bar have caught me so off guard? I thought I asked all the right questions before. I felt, for the sake of ISG research, I had to figure this out.
Next I went to Supper Pussy. I was super-careful to get it right this time. I asked the door men any cover? Any other charges? How much is a drink? After getting assurances and urgings to "just look" I went upstairs. I notice several guys coming out as I walk in, they are smiling. This one is smaller and a bit newer than Show Girls. But same story. A few cute girls dancing on stage – and a few I am not sure were girls at all – a few not so cute ones. Immediately a cute one sits next to me and grabs hold of Mr Happy. I ask her and the waitress how much is the drink. It is about B100. So I say yes to one. Soon the mamasan is nagging me to buy her a drink, but no. Then she wants me to take the girl to the short time room downstairs. It is "only b2, 500". I tell her I am not interested, even at b1, 000. I just want to enjoy the show, buy some drinks. She leaves, coming back every few minutes to try gain. I ask her where is the receipt for my drink, and for that of the girl rubbing my crotch? "coming". Again in about 5 minutes. It is coming. Eventually I tire of the girl nagging me and get up. I take my drink and cup and go next to the stage. One of the other girls is putting ice cubes in her pussy. The girl follows, even though I ask her to go away. Then the mama again. Where are my receipts? .coming, just wait. Eventually I can see there is a problem and ask for the bill. Just wait. Go to the bar. I put the b200 (my drink and the girl’s) on the bar and head to the door. It is strange as there are other customers, but they don’t seem to be afraid of putting them off. Maybe it is because I am a single foreign guy. Anyway, there is a guy blocking the door and the mamasan chasing me now, with the bil. B2, 500! What the fuck? So much for the honor among thieves. The door men said no charges, the girl and waitress said b100 per drink. I point this out. The mamasan says who said that? Where are they? Of course they have all disappeared. I told the mamasan I left the b200 on the bar. She says that is not the price. She wants b300. How silly! So I hand her another b100 and the goons open the door.
Outside I give the door man shit, but he does not care. I think head to another Kings bar and relax for a bit. After a while I try one more non-Kings bar. It is the same. This time triple check at the door. When I get there I ask how much is my drink. Then the girls come. How much for their’s? Then I order mine only. Wait for the bill. Does not come. Ask the bar tender. It is coming. Ask again. It is coming. Girls nagging me. I tell them not until I see my bill. Finally I just put b100 in the cup and go to leave. The mamasan comes over and says I owe lots. I just laugh. "What about the lady drinks, she asks? I tell her there were no drinks. She says but I spoke to the girls. LOL they were trying to get me to buy drinks. Am not going to pay for their hustling. In this bar there is no door, just stairs. I am out the door before she can organize any goons.
So I go back to Show Girls where the touts are trying to get a group of Aussies up stairs. I warn them what will happen; they move on. I wink at the tout. Then I head over to Supper Pussy where I warned off two British couples (girls were hot and my mind wandered if they my "participate".) who were about to go in. I did a bit of shopping in the night market and every time I passed one of the bars I warned of the prospective customers and gave the touts a big smile. I half expected them to do something about it but they just sucked it up. I guess if they really just want to hold you up there is no matter how careful you are you can get held up. Pretty sad.
Took a motorcycle taxi to hotel on Sukhumvit. B60. No problems.
So you have been warned!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.In fact nothing new. Sometime ago there was a minivan with tourist police parked on the entrance of patpong warning about that. And telling tourist to call them by problems. Nowadays police gone. May be still good business for those bars. If they have 100 tourist in a month its about Thai Baht 200.000 somehow easy money for doing nothing. And despite all the warning there are still tourist and others going in and get trapped.
I was there last year October and I saw a Ping Pong show at Long Gun.
I'm sure nothing has changed since then? Although you might want to make sure the night you go on isn't usually a quiet night of sorts or there might not be any performances so to speak?
I can confirm that there was a dart show at Long Gun on a Saturday night earlier this month.
M P Lurker
04-28-09, 15:52
I can confirm that there was a dart show at Long Gun on a Saturday night earlier this month.
I don't recall "ping pong" being a standard show at Long Gun, but could be wrong as have been an infrequent visitor for a while.
I recall balloon darts, flying banana, smoking pussy, turning sprite into coke, playing the trumpet, and ... I forget.
As I hate these ugly shows, I usually haven't payed attention unless I might be in danger. :eek:
I was obviously there to see certain girls and maybe watch a more artistic or sexy show.
i've dug through 5 pages of posts, as well as 2 or 3 pages of search results, but still havent come up with this info - it's obviously in here somewhere but today it seems to be buried behind pages of posts about old thai hand and his SO (btw my condolances about losing the job and the girl in rapid succession oth, that's gotta suck). so if it's not too much trouble, could someone just quickly post up the correct prices for st and lt from a reasonably pretty girl at nana plaza?
M P Lurker
04-28-09, 16:23
i've dug through 5 pages of posts, as well as 2 or 3 pages of search results, but still havent come up with this info - it's obviously in here somewhere but today it seems to be buried behind pages of posts about old thai hand and his SO (btw my condolances about losing the job and the girl in rapid succession oth, that's gotta suck). so if it's not too much trouble, could someone just quickly post up the correct prices for st and lt from a reasonably pretty girl at nana plaza?There is no correct price and depends on how much the girl values herself and how good a bargainer you are. Drive too hard a bargain and the session may not be as good.
But here is a hint. ST with a girl at an Oily massage parlour, you pay 1500 Baht to the girl for BJ and full sex. So that is a worthwhile hint. Some girls will be cheaper and some will not.
Most people seem to believe that long time price should be less than double the short time but not always.
I am happy to pay double if I get at least two good long sessions.
So could be 1.5K ST and 2.5K LT.
As I say, some girls will be cheaper and some will cost more. I sometimes pay more as I prefer girls way above average standard and the girl is more important than exact price to me.
I should add that I don't really have the bargaining experience of some other members who get the cheapest prices. I prefer to pay extra for really good service over what I pay for average service. i.e. did she really try hard to please or not?
I don't recall "ping pong" being a standard show at Long Gun, but could be wrong as have been an infrequent visitor for a while.
I recall balloon darts, flying banana, smoking pussy, turning sprite into coke, playing the trumpet, and I forget.
As I hate these ugly shows, I usually haven't payed attention unless I might be in danger.
I was obviously there to see certain girls and maybe watch a more artistic or sexy show.My situation exactly. I typically hit Long Gun, ask if the girl I usually see there is around. When she comes over I ask if she's available to leave and then sit around a bit while she gets dressed. I had assumed the balloons were for Songkran. Then the balloons started popping. This is when I noticed why the girl on stage was lying on her back. At that point I was more concerned with getting hit with an errant dart than anything else.
Hi guys, will be in Bangkok for a few nights
Its my first time here in Bangkok, can any one recommend me a nice play to pick up so high quality girls?
I prefer the area with few bars or massage palour that stick together in an area like some sort of red light district?
If there is a famous one, what is that area call?
Sorry for some if you think is stupid questiom as I am completely new to this country.
Thanks
So I go back to Show Girls where the touts are trying to get a group of Aussies up stairs. I warn them what will happen; they move on. I wink at the tout. Then I head over to Supper Pussy where I warned off two British couples (girls were hot and my mind wandered if they my "participate".) who were about to go in. I did a bit of shopping in the night market and every time I passed one of the bars I warned of the prospective customers and gave the touts a big smile. I half expected them to do something about it but they just sucked it up. I guess if they really just want to hold you up there is no matter how careful you are you can get held up. Pretty sad.
I agree with NicFrenchy that this was really an excellent report!
I also think that you are a bit naive if you really figured they'd do something about you warning off the marks. They know that in 2 minutes another mark will be by and at the end of the day you warning off a mark or two or three isn't going to impact their ability to get paid at the end of the night/week/month. However, if they had tried to stop you, do you really think you'd have stood a chance in heck to get out of there without some serious bruises? This was really not a smart move on your part.
There is no correct price and depends on how much the girl values herself and how good a bargainer you are. Drive too hard a bargain and the session may not be as good.
understood, i'm just looking for a starting point/average price - i've found if you start your negotiations with the "correct" price right off the bat, you get more respect and sometimes even better service than if they think you're some fresh-off-the-boat guy who hasn't a clue what he should pay...
often i find if you start from the wrong price they assume you're a sucker and wont give you the "right" price, or anything close to it, even if you haggle for an hour!
so i'll assume 1.5k ST and 2.5k LT are good ballpark figures unless someone disagrees. thanks!
Thanks for the research Brown Rail... it is always interesting to think about going to those places. Now you have saved me the time.
I did have to wonder why you thought the first lesson or two were not worth heeding? I remember being in a similar situation many years ago in London as a newbie checking out a strip club, being given an exorbitant bill and a thug blocking my way out. (Especially insulting after there was no show and all I had was a coke and a boring girl trying to chat me up rather than getting on stage and dancing). After I pushed past and made my escape, it seemed common sense to avoid putting myself in that situation again.
By the way, you asked "What happened to honor amongst thieves?' Honor amongst thieves is AMONGST thieves, not between thieves and their victims.
Sometimes I like to go see a pussy show. Like Shawty in Low, etc, I like to see beautiful women dancing nude. Ideally the view is close and explicit. Just sit back and enjoy. It is even better if one of the girls sits with me gently rubbing my dick for a while, and of course it should be inexpensive entertainment.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.It's a universal scam. Same thing happens in some of the bars in Soho, London; Wanchai, HK; San Fran. They prey on fear, so you did well to walk out (without fear).
Whom do you approach at Rajah Hotel for these services?
Apart from Grace and Novotel that you mentioned, another place is the Rajah hotel on Sukhumwit Soi 4, and Mike's place on Soi 3 north of Grace (on the opposite side). The scene is not obvious, you need to ask a pimp / bellboy about the girls, and he'll take you to a room.
Both places are very tightly run, but there are some pretty Eastern European girls (clear step up from Grace). They seem to be actually Russian / Ukrainian (some with blue eyes etc.), not central-Asian as most in Grace.
At Rajah, I've had girls for 2500 ST (all inclusive, on the premises). The pimp might try to ask for more (for the room etc.) but they'd let you in do it for this much (paid in advance).
For this you get 1 pop, I think up to ~40 min with the girl (I never bumped against the time limit). Attitude is not terrible, though it depends on the girl and is of course much less sweet than Thais. Brief shower together before/after, no BBBJ, but usually competent CBJ (doesn't do much for me), and you can do her in various positions. Helps to take V and to try not to finish too quickly, as the session lasts only as long as you do.
The girls do work hard and get a lot of mileage, maybe 5-10 customers / night -- managers of the operation make very decent buck, while girls don't get much (500 per customer). This based on talking to a girl -- not sure how truthful, but no reason to doubt it -- she was very matter-of-fact and not whining about it.
There are 20+ girls at Rajah and 5 at Mike's -- usually a good percentage are busy so if you don't find something you like, you can come later.
Brown Rail
04-29-09, 03:18
Thanks for the research Brown Rail... it is always interesting to think about going to those places. Now you have saved me the time.
I did have to wonder why you thought the first lesson or two were not worth heeding? I remember being in a similar situation many years ago in London as a newbie checking out a strip club, being given an exorbitant bill and a thug blocking my way out. (Especially insulting after there was no show and all I had was a coke and a boring girl trying to chat me up rather than getting on stage and dancing). After I pushed past and made my escape, it seemed common sense to avoid putting myself in that situation again.
By the way, you asked "What happened to honor amongst thieves?' Honor amongst thieves is AMONGST thieves, not between thieves and their victims.I also has the same experiance in London, maybe 15 years ago. As I remember, just as we were begining to argue someone else came in with a cop. He had been forced to pay 200 sterling. They cop made the bar give the guy back his money. Thinking quickly, I followed left with them.
Humm sounds like we are destined to run into each other.
NicFrenchy
04-29-09, 05:08
Here, my point of reference is a taxi. I would think that a motorcycle should be less than the cost of a taxi.
Nope. that's not how it works in Thailand.
Motorcycle Taxi charge per distance:
Short soi ride: 10thb
Long Soi ride: 15thb
Going to next Soi or close: 20thb
4 or 5 sois: 30thb
From Emporium to Soi Cowboy: 40thb
From Emporium to Eden: 50thb
From Emporium to Annie's: 60thb
From Emporium to Central Chidlom: 80thb
The prices are printed and available at any Moto-taxi stand. You can however try to bargain a few baht if you wish.
As far as I am concerned, I use them a lot and not because of the price, but because it gets me from Point A to Point B in a very short time no matter how dense the traffic is .
NicFrenchy
04-29-09, 05:30
There is no correct price and depends on how much the girl values herself and how good a bargainer you are. Drive too hard a bargain and the session may not be as good.
I think this is the most important thing to remember here.
If a girl rates her looks & services (package) at a certain price, then bargaining could result in forcing her to drop her service level (looks can't change).
The only thing that works well for me in the bars or for Freelancers is to always undercut her price by 500 but offer a 500 thb extra as tip if she is great.
Example: she quotes 3,000 -> I will give her 2,500 and an extra 500 if she is great. That way I am sure she will work hard for her 3,000.
But I am not an experienced Bar hopper, more like a massage guy.
I think this is the most important thing to remember here.
If a girl rates her looks & services (package) at a certain price, then bargaining could result in forcing her to drop her service level (looks can't change).
The only thing that works well for me in the bars or for Freelancers is to always undercut her price by 500 but offer a 500 thb extra as tip if she is great. Example: she quotes 3, 000. I will give her 2, 500 and an extra 500 if she is great. That way I am sure she will work hard for her 3, 000.
But I am not an experienced Bar hopper, more like a massage guy.it's an excellent idea! Why didn't I think to do like you
Thank you, nexte time I will try this.
Times are hard but there are standards, don't want to mess it up for everyone else. Can't give in. LOL
MalThanks, keep fighting the good fight.
If a girl rates her looks & services (package) at a certain price, then bargaining could result in forcing her to drop her service level (looks can't change).This is funny, because if you are after a good GFE, money doesn't matter too much.
In my experience, when they like you they don't' care about money, and when they stop liking you (hate you), they don't go with you whatever you offer them.
M P Lurker
04-29-09, 14:37
As far as I am concerned, I use them a lot and not because of the price, but because it gets me from Point A to Point B in a very short time no matter how dense the traffic is .
Best to use motorcycle for short rides only when no other method available. The simple reason is that although the driver maybe skilled, its still dangerous.
Take the BTS or MRT when possible. Use motorcycle to connect to those when haven't got time to walk.
There are a very large number of motorcycle accidents in Thailand and little protection.
NicFrenchy
04-29-09, 17:16
Best to use motorcycle for short rides only when no other method available. The simple reason is that although the driver maybe skilled, its still dangerous.
Take the BTS or MRT when possible. Use motorcycle to connect to those when haven't got time to walk.
There are a very large number of motorcycle accidents in Thailand and little protection.
Everything we do in life can be dangerous, hell even the water we drink.
Don't be spooked by the numbers, most accidents are in the suburbs or on the islands because some drunks can't drive their pickup properly or because the 10 year old who is riding the motorcycle has no clue what he is doing.
I have taken Motorcycles every day for the last 4 years... sometimes many times a day... that's a minimum of 1,500 trips and not a single scratch so far.
In my books, P4P is more dangerous, let me borrow your words (a little modified): "very large number of prostitutes in Thailand and little protection"
White Whale
04-29-09, 17:42
I was planning to try both Eden Club and Bangkok Sisters during my previous Bkk visit. The Eden Club experience was great with Nok and Na. Next day with Nok and Ow. Everything in the place was clean and well maintained. The location near Bier Garten was perfect for me.
Despite all that I wanted also experience Bangkok Sisters. To get PatPong I needed to take the Skytrain. During walk from train stop to Patpong on early Sunday afternoon at least ten ugly dudes tried to sell a massage with some girl pictured brochure in their hand. It was annoying. I had some diificulties to locate the alley named PatPong 2. Finally I found the doorway. If it would not have been daytine I would not have had courage to walk in. The opening led to dark hallway. No lights. Walls and elevator covered with graffities. I ended up to fouth floor. Same darkness continued and couple of stray cats circuled my legs. From nowhere you could deduct you have entered correct place. No signs. Nothing. Even closed dirty metal plated door had no indication what could have had been behind it. I know I was in correct address but the place was closed. Time was around 2pm (14:00) on Sunday. I am an European so 24 hour clock is more familiar to me. In their web page it is said to be open from 12am to 12pm. What that is in 24 hour clock? If it is 0:00 to 12:00 that would not make much sense.
Why would someone want to go to Bangkok Sisters instead of Eden Club? The prices are same. Eden Club premises are immaculate. Girls line-up in EC is adequate at least for my preference.
Francesco24
04-29-09, 23:18
Bangkok sisters is closed from a long time, it seems.
i have taken motorcycles every day for the last 4 years... sometimes many times a day... that's a minimum of 1,500 trips and not a single scratch so far....in my books, p4p is more dangerous, let me borrow your (soap's) words (a little modified): "very large number of prostitutes in thailand and little protection"nic: and i bet you wear a helmet every time? very few things in life are more dangerous than riding a motorcycle...especially in thailand.
i love it in bangkok when the traffic is snarled and the "oh so smart" motosi taxi men jump the curb and ride down the sidewalk...
from emedicinedotcom...
motorcycles, bicycles, and head injury
the increase in bicycling and motorcycling has focused attention on injuries sustained during these activities. most of these injuries are traumatic brain injuries (tbi), caused by the lack of rider head protection. this exposure of the rider accounts for the particular types of injuries seen during these activities.
* although the crash scenario often dictates the area of the body injured, fatal crashes are most often a result of traumatic brain injury. often these are isolated head injuries with no other serious injuries.
* fatal traumatic brain injury occurs more often in adults than children, although children are more often injured in bicycle crashes. this simply reflects the greater proportion of children using bicycles, as well as the lack of experience of younger riders.
* many studies have documented the particular risk of brain injury when riding a motorcycle. the increased speed of a motorcycle and use in vehicle traffic adds risk of injury far beyond that of a bicycle.
* traumatic brain injury certainly can cause death, but it also can cause disabling injury requiring extensive and costly rehabilitation. for many people, a brain injury triggers a significant change in lifestyle and function. brain injury can vary from essentially minor disability to prolonged dependence on a ventilator to breathe and permanent loss of normal function. these serious brain injuries take their toll on families caring for an injured loved one.
* studies examining the rates of brain injury and deaths before and after the passage of a mandatory helmet law showed a significant reduction in the number of both head injuries and deaths. the reduction held true even when controlling for age, sex, and severity of crash.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/bicycle_and_motorcycle_helmets/article_em.htm
NicFrenchy
04-30-09, 01:57
Nic: And I bet you wear a helmet every time? Very few things in life are more dangerous than riding a motorcycle...especially in Thailand.
I love it in Bangkok when the traffic is snarled and the "oh so smart" motosi taxi men jump the curb and ride down the sidewalk...
mmmhhh... yeah, I always refuse the helmet when they offer it to me, it's kind of gross, I mean, would you wear someone else's condom? :D
And yes, I love it when they ride on the sidewalk, makes my trip faster ;)
Anyway, Thais are used to this, only Farangs bicker over moto taxis getting on the sidewalk. My advice to you is to let them go and not argue. One Farang tried to prevent a moto taxi from passing on the sidewalk close to emporium (2 years ago) and in a matter or seconds he was surrounded by 10 other moto taxi drivers. YES, he was right, but this is Thailand, it's not about what's right. The poor Farang got scared and walked backwards.
Want to make a difference in LOS? here's the news: you can't!! ask OTH. They are how they are so better to accept them that way.
NicFrenchy
04-30-09, 03:37
I was a little bored yesterday (dayltime) and decided to go for a stroll up Sukhumvit 22
Starting at the Davis Soi 24 (where I had a meeting) I walked to soi 22, close to Rama4 is the new AIYARA Massage place http://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php?id=R010745
2 real cute girls (looks like WA and BEE) came out as I walked by and started flirting with me. It is clear this place offers extras and they are hungry for customers because their location isn't ideal.
I told them I had to go somewhere and they looked disappointed but, I will certainly be back to explore things further with this massage place.
Many many TTM joints with girls outside trying to get just about anyone to enter and spend money.
Hana was still there and Rin was busy (isn't she always?)
Passed by Rose Massage but did not go inside, something about this place that turns me off, I don't know what though... I am crazy I guess.
Across are 3 TTM/Oil shops and the one with the girls dressed in pink polo shirt caught my eye. A young good looking girl grabbed my arm and begged me to go with her for a massage. I asked her if she would pay me to massage her? she and her friends laughed and they all said yes (teasingly). She said that she would pay me 300 for massage but I would pay dinner for her and her friends tonight. Sounded very interesting but I told her I would be back. I think her name was Tam or Tum.
Arriving at the Famous Lavender! now THIS is what I was strolling for, I wanted to feel miss JOJO's E-cups on my face. Unfortunately, some other asshole (sorry) was already enjoying her.
Arriving closer to Sukhumvit 2 ladies were sitting on some steps eating Som-tum and threw me the Typical Thai prostitute line: "hansum man, where you go?" I smiled adn was ready to pass them but one lady said 1,000 for 2 lady for everything. I stopped, in need of more information so I repeated:
"1,000 for you 2 and everything, many shot? even back? (showing Anal)" They were positive. One of them looked quite do-able while the other was very average. This deal sounded good as I could have paid 1,000 only for the best looking one and would have gotten as an added bonus an extra lady to wipe the sweat off my forehead and change the condoms between shots.
Then the wake up call came: the more challenging looking one said "No condom can do, ok sir?" yeah, thanks but no thanks.
I think I'll go back today adn try that Aiyara massage place (they have some 10% discount in the afternoon).
mmmhhh... yeah, I always refuse the helmet when they offer it to me, it's kind of gross, I mean, would you wear someone else's condom? :D...My advice to you is to let them go and not argue....Want to make a difference in LOS? here's the news: you can't!! ask OTH. They are how they are so better to accept them that way.So...dirty hair is worse than a brain injury. I follow your logic...it's so Thai! Your co-workers would be proud of you.
Who me, argue? Not in the land of Muay Thai. I always bring my own...condoms and helmet. I have a very big head!
Motorsi taxis? The fastest way to fly in the City of Angels! Adn, I don't have a problem with the taxi jockeys riding on the sidewalk, or anywhere for that matter. I just like to get where I'm going. Nic, just know that if you crash and hit your head you could be on the same intellectual level as bad som tam!
Now, smug French tourists in Thailand...hmmm...that's another story. ;)
NicFrenchy
04-30-09, 07:08
Nic, just know that if you crash and hit your head you could be on the same intellectual level as bad som tam!
It started as a joke but now is turning into a lecture and I'm bored so I'll leave you to your pictures, research and will have my fun somewhere else ;)
It started as a joke but now is turning into a lecture and I'm bored so I'll leave you to your pictures, research and will have my fun somewhere else ;)Touche'...lol.
On a different note, I did take two girls once at Akane Chitlom and it was a lot of fun...lovely Syo (aka Pooky) was one of them. I wonder what happened to her? A better picture, n'est pas?
NicFrenchy
04-30-09, 07:42
Touche'...lol.
On a different note, I did take two girls once at Akane Chitlom and it was a lot of fun...lovely Syo (aka Pooky) was one of them. I wonder what happened to her? A better picture, n'est pas?
Now THIS is the kind of posts I love :D
Fon Tok, you truly made my day! Man oh man Syo was such a sweetheart (and a great performer), I have not seen her since she left Akane 33 :(
My all time Fav was still Manami, what a woman... an attitude that would make a Tulip girl blush!!
Now THIS is the kind of posts I love :D ...My all time Fav was still Manami, what a woman... an attitude that would make a Tulip girl blush!!OK, one more picture so we end on an up note...
Btw, seems we like the same neighborhood. I had another nice session with Rin the other day. She's still very snug for an old gal. No pictures, though :p
NicFrenchy
04-30-09, 08:24
Btw, seems we like the same neighborhood. I had another nice session with Rin the other day. She's still very snug for an old gal. No pictures, though :p
We not only like the same neighborhood, seems to me like we fancy the same girls :D
Rin never disappoints (with me anyway).
Fun Filled
04-30-09, 19:04
Checked in at Majastic Grande hotel in soi 2, sukhumvit road. Nice hotel and perfect location. I was to tired so decided to eat some thing and take a some rest so that I can recharge my battries for rest of the night.
being my 1st day in bangkok I was more interisted in exploring the new places so my 1st deistination was nana intertainment plaza. Went to RAINBOW 4 ON 2nd floor they have 2 dance platform and on both the platform or stage there are 8 to 10 girls were dancing. The moment I entered I was escorted to the seat on the left side of the interance I orderd beer (135 bhat). From my seat I can look at the girls dancing on 1st platform, the view of girls dancing of 2nd platform was not that cleard from my seat but that was no problem because I thought after some time the girls will swap the stage. But after drinking 2 beer I realise that there is different set of girls for both the floors and they are not suppose to change there stage. What a put off cause girls dancing of froor 2 were much better.
Leasson learned at rainbow 4 : choose your seat carefully and make sure u sit in middle of both the stages so that u can have a better look at girls dancing on both the stages.
Around 11PM I left for Grand hayat (passaco club) being Saturday it was packed to maximum. I have never seen so many beautiful thai ladies at one place. Girls were really good most of them above 7 and all of them nicely dressed up. Orderd a hanikan and what the fuck 320 bhat for 1beer man what a loot. The average rate was 3000 bhat I know its bit high but campaired with quality I think its ok.
Around 12:30 I left for CM2 disco at novatel hotel in siom square. Entery fee 650 bhat that include two drinks and rate of one haniken was 230 bhat. The place was ok not that crowded. Girls were mostly average but there is somting special about this place well u can find lot of CIS grils and few african also.
As I was standing at the bar and sipping my beer one russian blond came to me and ask what I was drinking I told her I am having beer after that general quastion like where I am from what I do etc etc. I was amazed by her english she had a perfect cammond over it because all of u know how good russian babes are in english ;).
She : whats your plan for 2night?
I : not sure, u tell whats ur?
She: do u want 2 go out with me
I : sure y not
she : then u have to pay me
I : how much u want me 2 pay u
She : 8000 bhat
I : are u crazy it seem u have gone mad
She : ok u tell how much u want to pay
I : sorry I am not sure
She : ok 6000
I : still 2 much
She : u tell me pls or I go and find another guy.
I : I bet u better do that but I doubt any 1 is going 2 pay u so much.
She: ok u finally tell me how much u r going to pay
I: sorry bye and have fun.
And I moved from there
There were few more eye can days some 9 some perfect 10 but the rate they were quoting was too high.
Suddenly lights turn on and I checked my watch its 2:30 and the place is closed.
Now it’s time to go to bossy or bosky I don’t remm the name properly. This clubs open till 6 in morning so when every joint is closed in Bangkok the crowed move to this place. The moment I enter surprise.. Lot of familiar faces there.. Yep u got it right the girls form rainbow 4, passaco, cm2 all of them were there they still hoping to get some customer.
Well I danced till 6 in morning and then went to bamboo bar in nana to eat, its Lebanese restaurant with remain open 24x7. Then straight to my hotel and slept dreaming about all the beautiful ladies.
White Whale
04-30-09, 19:15
Bangkok sisters is closed from a long time, it seems.
Me stupid, sorry :( Not obvious after googling. Results probably from 2008. So confirmed not to go ;)
Touche'...lol.
On a different note, I did take two girls once at Akane Chitlom and it was a lot of fun...lovely Syo (aka Pooky) was one of them. I wonder what happened to her? A better picture, n'est pas?I too, spent some memorable occasions with Syo. A truly sexy lady with brains to boot. She told me before she departed from Akane, that she was leaving to start on a degree in Marketing.
NicFrenchy
05-01-09, 02:39
Me stupid, sorry :( Not obvious after googling. Results probably from 2008. So confirmed not to go ;)
No you were not Stupid. Bangkok sisters had re-opened under the management of an ex-eden girl, but it looks like they closed again.
NicFrenchy
05-01-09, 02:46
Well I danced till 6 in morning and then went to bamboo bar in nana to eat, its Lebanese restaurant with remain open 24x7.
Great report.
Never heard of this place (but, I don't hang out there at these hours either), where is it exactly?
Then straight to my hotel and slept dreaming about all the beautiful ladies.
Boy oh boy, that riminds me of my first nights in Thailand... I was so picky (and not really into Asian women) that I came empty handed also many nights :( hahahahaha
M P Lurker
05-01-09, 02:46
Leasson learned at rainbow 4 : choose your seat carefully and make sure u sit in middle of both the stages so that u can have a better look at girls dancing on both the stages.
You can change seat easily provided spare seats available. Take your bill with you.
Great report.
Never heard of this place (but, I don't hang out there at these hours either), where is it exactly?
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The only Bamboo Bar I know is in Soi 3, opposite Grace Hotel.
No idea whether they run a Lebanese restaurant now, when I was there last time it seamed to be a simple beer bar.
Giotto
Fun Filled
05-01-09, 10:07
You can change seat easily provided spare seats available. Take your bill with you.Sure I could have done that but Unfortunately there was no space.
Fun Filled
05-01-09, 10:12
Great report.
Boy oh boy, that riminds me of my first nights in Thailand. I was so picky (and not really into Asian women) that I came empty handed also many nights hahahahahaMan it was exactly same with me I was so picky always expecting something better. And in end you get nothing? . But anyways it was fun.
Fun Filled
05-01-09, 10:53
The only Bamboo Bar I know is in Soi 3, opposite Grace Hotel.
No idea whether they run a Lebanese restaurant now, when I was there last time it seamed to be a simple beer bar.
GiottoYes you are right bamboo beer bar is in Soi 3, apposite Grace Hotel. They have 2 section one is bar and another is restaurant which is open 24x7. Just check this http://bamboopub.com/lebanese.shtml
What is this Bossy or Boss Key that Fun Filled was talking about?
And what is the story with "Passaco" at Grand Hyatt? Full of WG there, or just a handful?
What is this Bossy or Boss Key that Fun Filled was talking about?
And what is the story with "Passaco" at Grand Hyatt? Full of WG there, or just a handful?
It's called "Bossy" or more formally, "The Bossy Club". I may have a business card with the address. A quick Google search shows it's in the Pratunaam area, a small soi off of Sri Ayudhaya.
As I recall, you pay 300-400 baht admission which gets you a free drink. It definitely picks up later in the evening.
I find it interesting that Fun Filled was amazed about a Russian having a perfect "cammond" of English, because he doesn't. I've never heard of "haniken", but I do know of Heineken. Grand hayat? :)
MadVic
I was a little bored yesterday (dayltime) and decided to go for a stroll up Sukhumvit 22.After reading this report, I had a look around today.
I was going to go to Hana, but didn't see it while walking down soi 22, although I managed to find it on my way back.
Eventually I came to Aiyara. A couple of ladies came out asking if I want massage. This was around 15:30. When I arrived, there were 5 or 6 girls available. It didn't seem like the place was busy.
I went for 2 hours. I got a good massage with an HJ. I wasn't looking for more this time. I don't remember the girl's name and they don't have numbers. I don't know if this girl does more than HJ.
As Nic said, there is a 10% discount for the massage. I paid ฿720 for the massage and ฿400 for the HJ.
On the way back to Sukhumvit, I had a similar experience to Nic. There were several places with girls out front trying to get you to go in.
Everyone's preferences are different, but for me, I'll go back and look around again. I doubt that I'll have a problem finding someone suitable in some of the other places.
What is this Bossy or Boss Key that Fun Filled was talking about?
And what is the story with "Passaco" at Grand Hyatt? Full of WG there, or just a handful?
Mate, there are two freelance clubs with similar names or better to say 4. Boss, Bossy, Spice and Spicy. I weren't in Boss, nor in Bossy. But in Spice Club and Spicy. Spice Club is in the Ambassador Hotel Suk Soi 11. Spice Club is a decent freelancer disco, were you might find decent Thai girls for LT and ST. Spicy from behind National Stadium when you come from Nana. People there are younger Kao San crowd, or expat sons, or foreign student, Arabs, Indians, Thai FL and CIS girls. It's Ok, but I don't like it too much. Too full and most of the girls there are already engage, except the CIS girls. But, lower quality than CM2, imho.
With Passaco, I guess he means Spasso in grand Hyatt Erawan. It's an upskale Freelancer Disco. I weren't there, but I were in the Tunnel, were the girls from Spasso usually go when Spasso close. Pretty girls indeed, but expensive. Last time I had the chance to score a 9+ girl there. It was early and I wait too long and so I missed the chance, even when she approached me.
Are you still in HCMC? I will be in Thailand for 2 Months in June and July. Maybe I will spent a week in Vn.
NicFrenchy
05-02-09, 03:20
Eventually I came to Aiyara. A couple of ladies came out asking if I want massage. This was around 15:30. When I arrived, there were 5 or 6 girls available. It didn't seem like the place was busy.
Great post, Thanks. How would you rate the girls @ Aiyara in the "looks" department?
Mate, there are two freelance clubs with similar names or better to say 4. Boss, Bossy, Spice and Spicy. I weren't in Boss, nor in Bossy. But in Spice Club and Spicy. Spice Club is in the Ambassador Hotel Suk Soi 11. Spice Club is a decent freelancer disco, were you might find decent Thai girls for LT and ST. Spicy from behind National Stadium when you come from Nana. People there are younger Kao San crowd, or expat sons, or foreign student, Arabs, Indians, Thai FL and CIS girls. It's Ok, but I don't like it too much. Too full and most of the girls there are already engage, except the CIS girls. But, lower quality than CM2, imho.
I do know Spicy - have been there, not my cup of tea. Haven't been to Spice but it sounds even less my cup of tea than Spicy. I was really wanting to hear more about Boss/Bossy -- whether it's FL oriented or the kind of place where you have to be pretty experienced in the place to be able to spot them. For me, taht's not worth it.
With Passaco, I guess he means Spasso in grand Hyatt Erawan. It's an upskale Freelancer Disco. I weren't there, but I were in the Tunnel, were the girls from Spasso usually go when Spasso close. Pretty girls indeed, but expensive. Last time I had the chance to score a 9+ girl there. It was early and I wait too long and so I missed the chance, even when she approached me.This sounds more hopeful -- but on a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 being a place like Angel Disco where ALL the girls there are working, and a 1 a normal disco where nearly all the girls are just there to go out, not working, where's this place on that scale?
Are you still in HCMC? I will be in Thailand for 2 Months in June and July. Maybe I will spent a week in Vn.Yes, still here in VN. I can't remember if you came here or not last time...? I think you were considering it.
As Nic said, there is a 10% discount for the massage. I paid ฿720 for the massage and ฿400 for the HJ.Wow, how did you find the special characters for Thai Baht? Very impressive. ;)
This sounds more hopeful -- but on a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 being a place like Angel Disco where ALL the girls there are working, and a 1 a normal disco where nearly all the girls are just there to go out, not working, where's this place on that scale?Spicy, Boss, Bossy are pick-up joints, a definite 9 on your scale.
Tunnel would rate 7-8ish I'd say.
.....How would you rate the girls @ Aiyara in the "looks" department? Because opinions about looks and type of experience with someone are so subjective, I hesitate offering mine. What is great for me could be awful for someone else and their opinion the other way around for me. As you and others have mentioned here more than once about these things, YMMV.
IMHO the two who came out the door after me were "attractive", but nothing special. No stunning looks, big boobs, great ass, etc.
I didn't ask to see the other three or four who were there, because one of these two girls was acceptable to me. I didn't get a good look at the others either, because the girl I went with took me pretty quickly through the area where they were.
The only one of them who I sort of remember, I didn't find attractive. Also, she was a bit big-boned, if not overweight. When I left, she was the only one available.
Sorry for such a half-assed, long-winded answer. I'm an old geezer who got started here in Thailand in the late 60s. This is my first time back since then. At this point for me, wherever I am, "acceptable" is good enough. I've read the reports on this forum from January 2008 and if I remember yours correctly, I'm sure that your standards are much higher than mine. Unfortunately, I can't tell you if Aiyara has anyone at that level.
. Wow, how did you find the special characters for Thai Baht? Very impressive.Thanks. I installed a Thai keyboard in control panel under "Regional and Language Options" in Windows Vista. I think that you also can install one more or less the same way in XP.
When the keyboard is installed and you have selected it to use, shift 7 gets the Baht symbol.
This sounds more hopeful -- but on a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 being a place like Angel Disco where ALL the girls there are working, and a 1 a normal disco where nearly all the girls are just there to go out, not working, where's this place on that scale?
Spice is that was Angel Disco were before. All the girls there are in the game. Maybe the waitresses and the coyote dancer are more difficult to convince to go to your Hotel, but I guess if you offer enough money, they will do it as well. Anyway some of the Male guest bring their own beer to the club, will say they come with thai bar or gogo girls to the disco. Maybe they just want have some fun, or they doubt to get one FL girl over there. So, I would give this club a 8.
Spicy is different, since I got the impression that many of the girls are part time gf or rents from some of the younger students, expat sons or khao san backpackers. So, this club I would rate with a 5.
Bossy and Boss I don't know but I guess they are similar to Spice or Spicy. Maybe not so full except weekends.
The Tunnel and Spasso. Well, in the Tunnel you will find mostly part time FL. The girls there are pretty, but go there not because they have the need to. The girls from the Tunnel, can be Thai hooker whose work mostly abroad in HK, Singapore, Emirates, or were ever. When they are back in BKK, they might go to Tunnel, because it's not such a cheap place like other FL Discos.
They can be also Students, or girls whose have quite good job, or shop, but like to earn something extra. The girl from last time had a hair dresser shop in that city on the other side of the river, opposit china town.
Well, I weren't in Asia, since last November. My holiday plant for February or March will now be in June or July.
This sounds more hopeful -- but on a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 being a place like Angel Disco where ALL the girls there are working, and a 1 a normal disco where nearly all the girls are just there to go out, not working, where's this place on that scale?
I'd give Spasso an 8 or 9 on your scale.
thai characters on a keyboard - for those of you in muangthai, just go to one of the electronics panthip, mkb, virtually any electronics store and look around the places that sell "pieces" and wiring, keyboards etc. either you can buy a thai letter keyboard (yes, they all have the "english" on them - some have "other languages", though - i've seen french and russian for sure) it's about 300b or so - the "rollup flexible one seems to hold up nut the markings for the letters wears off in 6 or 8 months depending on how much oyu use it.
for the cheap charlies of us, there are stick on thai letters in a sheet - just peel and stick - they last a few months, too, but cheap enough to peel back off and replace. there are some with full color thru the label - the cheap ones are in the 30b range, the full color ones are about 100b (they only wear out when the sticker get worn thru.
install a thai character program language pack on your system and then you can swith back and forth easily (alt-shift does it on mine)
buy 3 or 4 and bring them back - cheap enough :)
NicFrenchy
05-03-09, 00:50
Sorry for such a half-assed, long-winded answer. I'm an old geezer who got started here in Thailand in the late 60s. This is my first time back since then. At this point for me, wherever I am, "acceptable" is good enough. I've read the reports on this forum from January 2008 and if I remember yours correctly, I'm sure that your standards are much higher than mine. Unfortunately, I can't tell you if Aiyara has anyone at that level.
No worries, your answer was good. However I am not that picky or at least I am not the pickiest here ;)
I can live with "acceptable"
Spicy is different, since I got the impression that many of the girls are part time gf or rents from some of the younger students, expat sons or khao san backpackers. So, this club I would rate with a 5.A 5 for Spicy?!? You must be kidding or you have been there on very special nights. The place sort of sucks but it's litterally full of girls on the game.
Spice is that was Angel Disco were before. All the girls there are in the game. Really? WHen I was there last time just over a year ago, it seemed like there were lots of them who were just partying, with guys. It wasn't nearly as 'easy' as Angel back in the day.
I'd give Spasso an 8 or 9 on your scale.Thanks to you o kind sir. Good to know. Will definitely check it out next time there. Better lookers for more money sounds good to me, and 8 or 9 sounds like it's not too much work. All good.
I'm always in BKK for just a few days, so for me, places where I have to put in a lot of effort finding and connecting, and face the prospect of there possibly not being something there, so having to move on and go to another place, all the while knowing that there's places as quick and easy as Nana or Cowboy, well... it basically doesn't pay to go to places where finding something right is an outside shot. Or where it's the kind of places where you need to be familiar with the scene there in order to be able to pick out who's working and who not, or when there are far more non-WG than WG. I don't go to BKK for difficult. I go for easy. I much prefer places where I can see many at once and pick one.
M P Lurker
05-03-09, 08:41
As Nic said, there is a 10% discount for the massage. I paid ฿720 for the massage and ฿400 for the HJ.I have to admit this symbol confuses me. Is it intended for use by Westerners or Thais or both?
Most Thai web sites don't seem to use it.
e.g. 1,000 บาท
or on Utopia web site:
2,100 B. (didn't use the crossed B symbol).
Now normally westerners would use THB on currency exchange sites etc., e.g.
THB1000.
So does ฿ belong before the number (European convention) or after the number (more like Thai style), or perhaps either way?
A simple web search didn't turn up anything very definitive.
Squirt6969
05-03-09, 11:56
The best place to get girls catering for golder showers?
Is this feasible in Bangkok?
Going there soon.
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So does ฿ belong before the number [...] or after the number (more like Thai style), or perhaps either way?
A simple web search didn't turn up anything very definitive.
It seems that this symbol is mostly used before the amount and at least it is the case in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_baht
I have to admit this symbol confuses me. Is it intended for use by Westerners or Thais or both? .I don't know why I used the symbol. It was probably because I thought that it was the easiest way for me to show that I was talking about prices in Thai currency.
As you said, on currency exchange sites, you would use a 3 letter code: AUD, THB and so on. It looks like banks and exchanges, at least, use this type of code.
If you want to look into this a bit more, in addition to the link posted by Goyave, the following links have further info:
This link is about currency signs in general, but it does mention the Thai baht: http://en. Wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign
The following quote is from: http://www.xe.com/symbols.php "This page is a list of symbols used in everyday life to denote that a number is a monetary value, such as the dollar sign "$", the Pound sign "£", and the Euro sign "€". "
It's probably obvious to anyone else, but I never really thought about the why of putting a symbol somewhere around the number. It at least makes it handy to show which currency you are talking about.
If you have nothing else to do and go to the xe.com page, clicking on "Currency Code" in the chart "List of Currency Symbols" will take you to more information about the 3 letter codes.
Sorry for taking up so much space about this.
Returning a bit closer to on topic, I appreciate all your time and effort in making the great maps that you have. I use them all the time. It looks like you have added some places recently. I'll try and check them out, if I can get that far without getting dragged into someplace else before then.
Thanks.
Really? WHen I was there last time just over a year ago, it seemed like there were lots of them who were just partying, with guys. It wasn't nearly as 'easy' as Angel back in the day.
Mmmmh, I can imagine that the girls in Angel disco were more approachable. Also, Angel disco might have start earlier than Spice Club. But, my hit rate is better in Spice than it were in Angel disco. The reason were I didn't saw too much acceptable girls in Angel disco and the few decent looking girls were often taken very quick.
I like more to stay long in a club and decide late what girl I take. In Angel the good looker were taken quick and on the end I left empty handed.
In Spice club it's different imho. Since there are many girls in the 7 and 8 range. So, it's easier to find a prey, imho.
Spasso and the Tunnel have some 8 to 9 girls, but of course for a price. I guess 3000 for Short Time and 5000 for LT might be their first quote. You might be able to reduce it, but only if she likes you, or need the money. A solid 9 will have most likely no problem to find a customer who pay what she demand.
M P Lurker
05-03-09, 17:36
the best place to get girls catering for golder showers?
is this feasible in bangkok?
going there soon.
i have heard of guys asking a girl for this. need to choose a less shy girl with long experience i think. offer an extra tip for it and should be no problem.
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