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I believe Giotto should be nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for his excellent reporting from BKK. For those that don't know the Pulitzer Prize is a U.S. award given for great achievements in Journalism and some other categories.
I'll ask a question that has been asked before. Are Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy operating normally? I may spend a few nights there but only if I can freely room in the area between Nana and Cowboy.
I am not a Nana fan but I can say Soi Cowboy is open and business as usual. Bit slow when I've been there (last night).
I believe Giotto should be nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for his excellent reporting from BKK. For those that don't know the Pulitzer Prize is a U.S. award given for great achievements in Journalism and some other categories.
I'll ask a question that has been asked before. Are Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy operating normally? I may spend a few nights there but only if I can freely room in the area between Nana and Cowboy.
Primo Bolan
05-15-10, 18:25
Its getting nasty keep your heads down.
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I'll ask a question that has been asked before. Are Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy operating normally? I may spend a few nights there but only if I can freely room in the area between Nana and Cowboy.Allover,
I walked there today - Soi Cowboy is business as usual, you can walk down the lower Sukhumvit to Soi Nana, no problem. A lot soldiers on Sukhumvit. But it's not a hot-zone of the conflict.
Red shirts apparently try to establish two new stages/sub-demos - one on Victory Monument and one close to Klong Toey market. I have seen the one in Klong Toey already on pictures. The strategy could be to move there in case the pressure on Rajprasong becomes too strong.
I don't think this will happen.
I am more worried about an attack on the main tourist sites when things escalate. We have rumours about a mortar shell hitting Saladaeng approximately one hour ago. If that happens in Nana, lower Sukhumvit or Cowboy ...
24 people dead - that's the official number from the last 2 days. The official number ... !!!
It seams to be quiet right now - but things change within seconds at the moment.
Be careful out there!
Giotto
Hi,
Apologies for somewhat of a newbie question, but with the street violence (in some areas), I wonder if most mongerers are keeping their activities within or as close to the hotel as possible?
(I've been to BKK once, stayed at the Park Plaza, which I really liked)
I am scheduled to be in BKK in about 3 weeks, and reserved the Park Plaza a few weeks ago but I believe it's a hotel where there aren't any girls that hang around the bar or restaurant (if I recall correctly).
So, am I better off going to a place like Grand Millennium, for example, which has girls in the immediate area and inside the hotel bar itself? Or can one have a good time at the Park Plaza and safely go to the nearby soi areas (near Asoke) for the action?
Thanks in advance to any/all for any helpful replies!
Dominos Dick
05-15-10, 20:41
Precaution won over lust and I have decided to drop Thailand for my trip end f this month going to Germany instead (FKK clubs and all that) but from what I read this may take the colour of a civil war if things escalate further.
This is the worst news for our mongering community. Guys just imagine we can't go to Thailand!
My prayers with the Thais and hope normalcy returns soon and the great country becomes as safe and as charming as it always is
Take care guys who are on the field.
Frankfurter
05-15-10, 22:34
I don't know, but I have since days now this increasing feeling that this marks the end to the LOS as we mongers know it-after everything is over. I sure hope I am not correct. What also completely puzzles me is the absence from any news about/from the King. Disturbing.
DownTowner
05-16-10, 00:23
Hi,
Apologies for somewhat of a newbie question, but with the street violence (in some areas), I wonder if most mongerers are keeping their activities within or as close to the hotel as possible?
(I've been to BKK once, stayed at the Park Plaza, which I really liked)
I am scheduled to be in BKK in about 3 weeks, and reserved the Park Plaza a few weeks ago but I believe it's a hotel where there aren't any girls that hang around the bar or restaurant (if I recall correctly).
So, am I better off going to a place like Grand Millennium, for example, which has girls in the immediate area and inside the hotel bar itself? Or can one have a good time at the Park Plaza and safely go to the nearby soi areas (near Asoke) for the action?
Thanks in advance to any/all for any helpful replies!
You need to go to Giotto's Forum, he has everything for you "in house"
Fast Eddie 48
05-16-10, 01:32
Precaution won over lust and I have decided to drop Thailand for my trip end f this month going to Germany instead (FKK clubs and all that) but from what I read this may take the colour of a civil war if things escalate further.
This is the worst news for our mongering community. Guys just imagine we can't go to Thailand!
My prayers with the Thais and hope normalcy returns soon and the great country becomes as safe and as charming as it always is
Take care guys who are on the field.Dominos,
Not only the risk and the danger getting caught on cross fire ,I don't think Bangkok is a good place to go mongering right now many local is staying home scare to go out and that included the WG ,many options in SE ASIA monger can go to like PI and China .
Fast eddie 48
Thanks for the constant updates Giotto.
I have a trip to Pattaya and Bkk in early June. Up until the last few days I had no intention of making changes, but I'm thinking it may be a matter of time before lower Suk/Nana and/or Cowboy become directly affected. I'm on the verge of changing my trip to Pattaya/Patong. I got caught up in the airport closure and really cant be bothered to be that inconvenienced again.
Allover,
I walked there today - Soi Cowboy is business as usual, you can walk down the lower Sukhumvit to Soi Nana, no problem. A lot soldiers on Sukhumvit. But it's not a hot-zone of the conflict.
Red shirts apparently try to establish two new stages/sub-demos - one on Victory Monument and one close to Klong Toey market. I have seen the one in Klong Toey already on pictures. The strategy could be to move there in case the pressure on Rajprasong becomes too strong.
I don't think this will happen.
I am more worried about an attack on the main tourist sites when things escalate. We have rumours about a mortar shell hitting Saladaeng approximately one hour ago. If that happens in Nana, lower Sukhumvit or Cowboy ...
24 people dead - that's the official number from the last 2 days. The official number ... !!!
It seams to be quiet right now - but things change within seconds at the moment.
Be careful out there!
Giotto
I don't know, but I have since days now this increasing feeling that this marks the end to the LOS as we mongers know it-after everything is over. I sure hope I am not correct. What also completely puzzles me is the absence from any news about/from the King. Disturbing. "Disturbing" is the perfect word Frankfurter. This conflict, in essence, could be about the forced degradation of monarchical power. We foreigners who live in Thailand may be too close to the thing to see it as it really is. I personally have been dreading the day the King became too weak to maintain his aura, and I feel that this class dichotomy based conflict was inevitable, written in stone. The spark has always been there, Thaksin Shinawatra, with his incredibly conceited and corrupt vision of absolute power, fueled the explosion. (Each voter for Thaksin received 500 Baht, a fifth of Saeng Som whisky, and a free dinner... yeah Thais are a cheap date.)
The New York Times article addressing this issue today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/world/asia/16king.html?hp
Distressing, depressing... disturbing. :( Bangkok will certainly take time to change, and our hobby will go on, but yes, a change is definitely on the horizon. Be prepared for it.
Arrived yesterday to my hotel in soi 2 after a long tiring trip from Europe. The taxi driver had problems with accessing the hotel as some streets are closed at the moment. When I arrived at 3 pm the receptionist said I was their first guest today. The floor I stay on, I'm the only one, so here is rather quiet. Outside on the streets everything looks fine as usual, but little more quiet too. Soldiers are spread along sukhumvit up to Asoke especially at the train stations. 2 soldiers were guarding at Nanas the whole afternoon. In the evening there were plenty of activity in Nanas, but less customers the girls I spoke to said. I had a good time and didn't feel any danger, but of course things can changes. Further I'm not local, so I cannot fell how close and serious the fights are for the people.
Schubba
Thai government added a 1 week delay to the start of the School year and instituted a curfew in the zone. Anyone on the street in the zone can be shot.
This is the best map I found:
http://maps.google.co.th/maps/ms?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116480606892254086046.0004817fafbb87b0951c0&ll=13.740969,100.550866&spn=0.028806,0.045447&z=15
Those considering travel to Thailand may want to consider locations besides Bangkok or utilize travel waivers.
The Nana area is nearly dead, being only 1 KM from the Red Shirt Camp. You can hear gunfire and explosions all night long. Only a handful of food carts were even out on Soi 4 last night.
I was here after 911, Avian Flu and Yellow shirts. This is the lowest tourist flow I have seen in 15 years visiting. Even taxi drivers and working girls told me they are staying home in fear, but also no customers.
Most hotels now have more employees than guests. It is very easy to get a Hotel discount off Internet specials. I got a 20% reduction off the lowest prices at several hotels by asking. One hotel told me that not only do they have fewer guests, but some check-in for a few hours, after changing their plans to Pattaya or Phuket.
Soldiers have been out for over 3 weeks in all the tourist areas, but only Saturday did they deploy several hundred along Sukumvit, housing them at the tobacco factory nearby. Towards Wireless road, you will find armored personnel carriers and sandbag emplacements. The soldiers are very friendly and pose for photos with tourists ;)
Both sides of the issues have kept the violence well contained. I have no fear of getting hurt, attacked or otherwise. The only real injuries or fatalities have been in the declared kill zone. Foreigners cannot go there without a press pass.
If you do come, its probably better to stay near Asok. Its well out of Mortar range.
Be safe everyone.
Bangkok Xx Bob
05-16-10, 08:37
You can hear gunfire and explosions all night long.
Sorry my friend but that really is not correct. I'm not downplaying the situation but there are far too many media outlets stoking the fire.
Primo Bolan
05-16-10, 09:28
11:00pm-05:00am
First good news in days:
tulsathit: Urgent: CRES puts off curfew plan.
Sunday, 16 May, 2010 5:30:17 PM
tulsathit: CRES has thanked red leaders for allowing kids/women/old ppl to move out of rajprasong.
Sunday, 16 May, 2010 5:27:29 PM
Obviously no curfew today.
Some kind of talking is going on.
OK, guys, this might be the most dangerous time of the game, IF THERE REALLY IS A THIRD HAND PARTICIPATING!
Stay at home or at the hotels!
Giotto
New Google map of the hot zones:
http://maps.google.co.th/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116480606892254086046.0004817fafbb87b0951c0&ll=13.738718,100.546618&spn=0.057112,0.111494&z=14
Govt declares May 17 and 18 public holidays in Bangkok.
Sunday, 16 May, 2010 6:42:05 PM
We have to understand this a clear warning, that something is going to happen, if the red shirt leader will not clear the Rajprasong demonstration.
Sukhumvit road is blocked somwhere outside - to prevent new red shirts from entering the city. There are army trucks in Soi Nana, lots of soldiers in the lower Sukhumvit.
If you still need to go out (DON'T) it's Soi Cowboy or Soi 33 for today! Nana seams to be not a good idea right now.
Giotto
If you do come, its probably better to stay near Asok. Its well out of Mortar range. Be safe everyone.
60 mm Mortar 1000-3500 meters
81 mm 4600-5700 meters
107 mm 5600-6800 meters
120 mm 7200 meters
Asok is well within range of random or aimed mortar fire. Especially the heavier and far more lethal (but still highly portable and easily concealable) varieties.
There is nothing that says the fire has to originate from within the "red" zone anyway. In fact, it would more likely not be fired from there as that area is heavily surveilled and too unstable.
Note that either side could launch a veiled attack on tourist areas with different motives, but the same results as far as the victims are concerned.
RPG's, hand and gun fired grenades, burst and single-round gunfire, and IED's also are a threat.
Random acts of violence are likely to occur as the overall secuity situation continues to degrade. Looting, arson, and opportunistic robberies and other crimes may occur.
DO NOT go outside wearing anything red, yellow, or any shade of green which could be mistaken as military camoflage. Women should be especially careful.
It is safest to leave Bangkok and keep a low profile wherever you go.
Primo Bolan
05-16-10, 13:53
60 mm Mortar 1000-3500 meters
81 mm 4600-5700 meters
107 mm 5600-6800 meters
120 mm 7200 meters
Asok is well within range of random or aimed mortar fire. Especially the heavier and far more lethal (but still highly portable and easily concealable) varieties.
Note that either side could launch a veiled attack on tourist areas with different motives, but the same results as far as the victims are concerned.
It is safest to leave Bangkok and keep a low profile wherever you go.
Yeah... Take cover in the Fuhrerbunker-15-Thermae-Strasse . No I dont think he meant mortars like that.
Yeah... Take cover in the Fuhrerbunker-15-Thermae-Strasse . No I dont think he meant mortars like that.
Does the Thai military use toy mortars?
If the government doesn't stand down and resume talks there is going to be a blood bath.
Is it still possible to leave Bangkok? I live in Sathorn near Silom and was thinking of getting out to Pattaya to escape all this.
spend the Sunday in my hotel on sukhumvit soi 2 and had a few walks in the area to biergarten and some oil massage. At 5 pm there were very few girls in biergarten. I passed by Nana 7.30 pm, all clubs were open, but those I looked into was almost empty - no or few girls. One place said it was too early and they will come later 10 pm!!. That is not normal. Else all street bars open and full of waiting and hungry girls :-)
The army has established a check point behind my hotel - the street before soi 2 along the high way. My hotel, who is following the situation, told me it was ok to go out if you against Asoke.
If you want to become suicide it is not guaranteed it will happen for you in this area :-) - better find a bridge and jump. What ever you do in life there is allways a risk. You shall just minimize it and only yourself can do it by taking precautions. So I will go out tonight to take care of the sweet girls in the empty bars.
Problem zones right now:
Bon Kai / Klong Toey / Rama IV: Gunfire / Lotus shopping center on fire
Wireless Road: Gunfire / Explosions
Din Daeng: Situation reported to be tense, red shirts with hand guns
Victory Monument
Thon Buri Bridge
Giotto
60 mm Mortar 1000-3500 meters
It was an M-224 that was noted to have been used. Most likely it is old stuff with a range under 1.5 km. (Asok is beyond the spots like Sala Daeng or the box) Considering the reds are mostly packing sling shots, bows and arrows and fire crackers, it doesn't seem useful to blow it out of proportion.
Considering the only foreigners to get hurt have been reporters in the kill box, I find it highly unlikely anyone will target tourist zones or specifically civilian targets.
Much of the drama for both sides has been controlled to avoid issues outside the declared hot spot.
New Google map of the hot zones:
http://maps.google.co.th/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116480606892254086046.0004817fafbb87b0951c0&ll=13.738718,100.546618&spn=0.057112,0.111494&z=14
What is new here ? its the same map I posted earlier with a bigger zoom
What is new here ? its the same map I posted earlier with a bigger zoomNauskas,
I am very sorry, but I missed your post.
Giotto
It was an M-224 that was noted to have been used. Most likely it is old stuff with a range under 1.5 km. (Asok is beyond the spots like Sala Daeng or the box) Considering the reds are mostly packing sling shots, bows and arrows and fire crackers, it doesn't seem useful to blow it out of proportion.
Considering the only foreigners to get hurt have been reporters in the kill box, I find it highly unlikely anyone will target tourist zones or specifically civilian targets.
Much of the drama for both sides has been controlled to avoid issues outside the declared hot spot.
I agree that the probability of attacks on tourists is low.
I also think that the probablility of attacks on tourists is higher than it has ever been.
As the desperation of the Reds rises and the government seeks to justify its actions, the possibility of a random attack increases. It is rouge elements of either side, provocateurs if you will, and opportunistic criminals, even non-Thai's, that present the greatest danger.
"Desperate times bring desperate measures".
Fireworks are going off all night tonight. I can hear very sustained firecrackers, along with probably real ordnance.
The Reds are well organized and well funded. Those in the zone are paid 800-1000 baht a day, which is a lot of money for a country boy.
Even supposing there really are 5,000 reds left, if you saw the number of soldiers here, there is little chance its gonna go outside the box. Water cannon trucks have been parked in many locations outside the outer perimeter. Tourists risk running into the many coils (un-deployed, but prepositioned) of razor wire set up all over the city in case its needed. (even as far as Asok)
There has been an exceptional amount of planning and contingency in Bangkok.
It is unfortunate so much of foreign media is blowing a lot out of proportion. Even the maps at BBC are not accurate, having walked those lines.
This thing is as much a PR campaign using media as it is location based thing. I can't think of a better choreographed drama in the west. Its careful, it is calculated and it is more or less restrained. Thai military is mostly just shooting without aiming at anything, hence the stray bullets and few casualties. Soldiers are carrying serious firepower, of the most modern available.
Primo Bolan
05-16-10, 17:18
Thanks for the update Nauskas!
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I can't think of a better choreographed drama in the west.
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Guys,
There is a major gunfire / battle right now happening in Lumpini park. Since approximately 40 min. . "Perfectly choreographed by the west."
I know that I don't know Thailand. And I am definitely not a specialist in military tactics. I have anyway no idea what all this is all about. Stupid me!
But you guys better stay in your hotels!
Giotto
From another blog, 7 min. ago:
From friends at Maneeya Bldg, "Trapped inside the office. Gun fire, snipers and explosions very close now" /via @agnesdherbeys
Sala Daeng Update: "Serious gun-battle going on at end of Lumpini Park Intersection (to Sathorn)" /via @agnesdherbeys
Urgent: Belgium embassy closing on Monday. "The embassy is not far from the areas where the violence is taking place". /AFP
Urgent: "For security reasons, it has been decided that the embassy will close Monday", a Belgian foreign ministry spokesman said.
Sala-Daeng Update: 6 explosions and gunfires heard from my place in suan plu. Sound like it came from rama 4. /via @polanskiman
Update: 2 separate firefights going on within Bangkok. Phetburi/Ploen-chit area & Sala-Daeng (In the last 15 minutes). AVOID
'31' people have died, '230' have been injured in the Thai capital during 3 days of violent clashes, emergency services said Sunday. /AFP
Update: The violence has claimed 61 lives and injured about 1,700 people since mass demonstrations began in Bangkok in mid-March /AFP
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Most of the actual problem zones are OUTSIDE of the restricted zone around Rajprasong intersection!
Giotto
veen_NT: RT @vaitor: rama 4 gasoline tank on fire... people going crazy because they think everythings exploding any minute
Sunday, 16 May, 2010 11:32:13 PM
veen_NT: The gasoline tank report happened around 30 mins ago - will bring you update.
Sunday, 16 May, 2010 11:35:07 PM
tulsathit: RT @captainwreid: @tulsathit Sounds like major gunfight happening in Rangnam/ Victory monument
Sunday, 16 May, 2010 11:37:29 PM
That's only the information from The Nation Blog of the past few minutes, on a Sunday close to midnight.
- Perfectly choreagraphed by the west
- Its careful, it is calculated and it is more or less restrained.
Not!
Guys ... make up your own mind, I am really tired. I don't need any discussions about this issue.
Giotto
Guys, There is a major gunfire / battle right now happening in Lumpini park. Since approximately 40 min. . Perfectly choreagraphed by the west. I know that I don't know Thailand. And I definitely are not a specialist in military tactics. I have anyway no idea what all this is all about. Stupid me!
But you guys better stay in your hotels!GiottoGood advice!
From what I saw and photographed today, the 'green shirts' are not fuckin' around!
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The Reds are well organized and well funded. Those in the zone are paid 800-1000 baht a day, which is a lot of money for a country boy.
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Nauskas,
Sorry, if I will meet an idiot within the next few days will call him Nauskas.
I have been in the "red zone" many times during the past weeks and talked to the red shirts. Yes, there are some which are paid to be there. Especially before the 10.04., when 27 people were killed. Some of the people staying over night were paid.
I cannot give an estimation about how many were paid - but I am quite sure that even then it was not more than 25 % of the crowd.
After the 10.04. the situation changed dramatically. I could understand the argumentation that there are some "strange" groups now which have joined the demonstrations, groups that would also do their job for the yellow shirts. I would definitely agree with that.
But not many are willing to take the risk to get killed for being paid a bit for staying at Rajprasong Intersection under the actual circumstances.
I am definitely critical towards the political intention of the red shirts, and I think they gave away the chance for a compromise last week.
But to simply talk bullshit does not help anybody!
Giotto
Lone Punter
05-16-10, 18:30
A lot of thanks to Field Commander Giotto spending so much of his time for frequent updates and analyses !
LP for the many
Guys,
But you guys better stay in your hotels!
Giotto
Overreaction big time! If you're in the Suk area, no need to stay indoors. Go out and get laid for god's sake! Geeeeeeez!!!!!!!!!
Frankfurter
05-16-10, 18:50
What I don't get in all of this is the tactic of the military/government. What are they thinking, if at all, in terms of riot-control:
1. First they let the Reds establish fortified camps for weeks, let them secure infrastructure such as food, water, supplies, telecom etc.
2. Then they send these nervous 18 yr. old recruits with M16s to do what? To shoot and kill? Practically unarmed civilians, throwing New Year's firecrackers?
What options do you have in dispersing and dissolving crowds if you carry a M16? Conditions such as these are dissolved with water cannons and tear gas, and other non-lethal techniques, maybe rubber bullets, but not with weapons meant to fight a military conflict. This is stupid, but again, TIT.
Overreaction big time! If you're in the Suk area, no need to stay indoors. Go out and get laid for god's sake! Geeeeeeez!!!!!!!!!Damned,
why am I doing all this?
We have the pre-defined hot zone around Rajprasong Intersection (Google map) - guys, let's go out, Saxophone, a good Blues/Jazz bar at Victory Monument. Have your beer, and then try to go home - and suddenly there are some problems there - everybody is hiding in some corners. Yes, that's an overreaction. Shootings, one dead ...
I also heard some rumours today, that some Thai military officers recommended to some guests to move from a hotel in Soi 19 up Sukhumvit! I did not write about that, because I don't want anybody to believe that I write here to fill up Livingstone's Lodge!
Fact is that everybody expected problems today in the hot zone around Rajprasong, but we had problem today in
- Rama IV
- Bon Kai
- Klong Toey
- Pratunam
- Victory Monument
- Rachadapisek Road
- Petburi Road
- Thon Buri Bridge
- Saladaeng
- Lumpini Park
- Din Daeng intersection
- some more smaller problems
We have since a few hours State of Emergency in 5 more states, in the North-East. In some areas serious problems.
We have new "holidays" tomorrow and the day after.
The stock market will be closed tomorrow.
What the hell do you people think is going on here? And - yes, nothing happened up to now in the lower Sukhumvit area - but do you really want me to write that I think it is a safe zone?
No, I will not! I think as a family father - so, better stay in your hotels at the moment!
Damned shit!!!
Giotto
Giotto, thanks for your efforts to keep us informed. I think that you are providing more accurate and up to date information than any other source available. And very good advice.
Some folks just don't or won't understand how volatile and dangerous this type of situation is. I've been at a street party where it changed from a friendly good time to a violent, destructive riot in a matter of seconds.
Risky behavior is exciting.
Suddenly getting caught up in out of control violence sucks.
It CAN happen to you!
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It CAN happen to you!Thanks, Naughty,
May be you found the better words than I did.
Very tired.
Giotto
PS:
To all who know it better:
This is a lose-lose situation for both government and red shirts. The government is under enormous pressure because of the sniper killings, and the red shirts know they cannot win a fight against the army. If the army really decides to clear Rajprasong they WILL present pictures about weapons found there - whether they really found those weapons there or not does not matter - the pictures will be presented and will be published in the international press. Not sure, whether the world will believe or not ...
Now - if two seriously involved parties cannot win a fight - who is the the winner, who benefits of this development?
It is definitely possible that a third party is playing the game - and we all don't know what these people are going to do next!
We have new "holidays" tomorrow and the day after.
The stock market will be closed tomorrow.
What the hell do you people think is going on here? And - yes, nothing happened up to now in the lower Sukhumvit area - but do you really want me to write that I think it is a safe zone?
Giotto
No, indeed! Let's not be childish. And I mean "childish" literally, because children don't understand the concept of risk. Daddy says something's dangerous, a child decides to do it nevertheless (when dad's not looking) and... hey, nothing bad happens. Weeeee! It just shows daddy's wrong!
Surely the Red Shirts, with the government's noose tightening around their necks and the showdown, apparently, timed for Monday and Tuesday, perceive two strong incentives: (1) break out of their enclave and fight their way through; (2) get their supporters from elsewhere in Thailand into BKK to open a couple of other fronts. If scenario (1) materialises then the lower Sukhumvit area is at risk. If scenario (2) materialises then everywhere is at risk.
What I don't get in all of this is the tactic of the military/government. What are they thinking, if at all, in terms of riot-control:
1. First they let the Reds establish fortified camps for weeks, let them secure infrastructure such as food, water, supplies, telecom etc.
2. Then they send these nervous 18 yr. old recruits with M16s to do what? To shoot and kill? Practically unarmed civilians, throwing New Year's firecrackers?
What options do you have in dispersing and dissolving crowds if you carry a M16? Conditions such as these are dissolved with water cannons and tear gas, and other non-lethal techniques, maybe rubber bullets, but not with weapons meant to fight a military conflict. This is stupid, but again, TIT.
This is spot on...what really frightens me is if the army send in armoured vehicles to break down the barriers.
What a way to screw up my holiday :-(((
Jp Traveller
05-16-10, 21:28
So I am not in Bkk or anywhere near. And I have tried to read the international news. BBC, CNN and so on. I have gone to Bangkok Post, all to find real information about what goes on on the ground in Bangkok.
Then I got the idea to look here, and lo and behold if Giotto isn't providing short and specific information way more precise than waht have seen anywhere else.
Thank you Giotto for that
And all good thoughts to all you folks in Bkk at the moment. Keep safe, will you!
What the hell do you people think is going on here? And - yes, nothing happened up to now in the lower Sukhumvit area - but do you really want me to write that I think it is a safe zone?
No, I will not! I think as a family father - so, better stay in your hotels at the moment!
I don't think guys came from across the world to sit in hotel room. I think lower suk is safe, I'm out there everynight. Lots of troops and police with guns about.
Nana gogo girls selling it for 1000ST.
The army needs to do a better job of ridding the streets of the low life "reds", however.
Giotto, thanks for your efforts to keep us informed. I think that you are providing more accurate and up to date information than any other source available.
You're info is valuable and appreciated. I just think telling guys to stay in their hotel rooms is a little over the top. Seize this opportunity and take advantage of the deals out there.
I don't think guys came from across the world to sit in hotel room. I think lower suk is safe, I'm out there everynight. Lots of troops and police with guns about.
Might well be "safe" according to your standard, but nobody with sense in his mind would walk around as a tourist, to say the least, with "lots of troops with guns about"
BTW: mongering is an activity one can realy and easily do...in trhe hotel room!
Nana gogo girls selling it for 1000ST.
Sorry but I do not think their rates can be taken as an account of "business as usual"
The army needs to do a better job of ridding the streets of the low life "reds", however.and do you think that in doing that, seen also the recent escalation, they will take too much carfe in differentiating people?
and don't you think that some "bad boy" can try to mix with "good boys" ?
I am not in BKK but I think Giotto's advise is full of common sense.
It was an M-224 that was noted to have been used. Most likely it is old stuff with a range under 1.5 km. (Asok is beyond the spots like Sala Daeng or the box) Considering the reds are mostly packing sling shots, bows and arrows and fire crackers, it doesn't seem useful to blow it out of proportion.Thing about a mortar is, if it's not used by a SKILLED crew, it's not that accurate. I'd imagine the home made ones even more inaccurate. And they are portable (6omm type), easily hidden until it pops out, bloops off a couple of rounds in the GENERAL direction of the target, then gone. Unless you've got direct observation, or a radar that can backplot, difficult to find.
Some folks just don't or won't understand how volatile and dangerous this type of situation is. I've been at a street party where it changed from a friendly good time to a violent, destructive riot in a matter of seconds.
Risky behavior is exciting.
Suddenly getting caught up in out of control violence sucks.
It CAN happen to you!Have seen that myself, AMAZING how things can change so quickly. Or sweep over you...
Lots of troops and police with guns about.Some people see safety, others targets...
why am I doing all this?Appreciated, to have an experienced source reporting. Myself, if I was in Bangkok, I'd be using my mobile and the contacts I collected for "rainy" days...
Shadow6491
05-17-10, 01:13
I'm with Amjeck. You guys are a bunch of drama queens. I was there in the red zone at the blockade a few weeks ago the night the RPG's were fired about 100m away from me. I was going to Patpong for a BJ. I still managed to cross the road from the reds side to the yellow and back after a few beers in a gogo.
Ok I would not go down into that area now but to say to stay away from Nana or Soi Cowboy is just scare mongering.
Ok I would not go down into that area now but to say to stay away from Nana or Soi Cowboy is just scare mongering.
I went to Soi Cowboy last night (Sunday) without any problems. The Soi was a bit quiet outside.
Not many customers, so I had all the girls eager.
Many girls are down to their last 100 Baht, so its easy to help them out with a couple of drinks, a tip, or better still a barfine booking.
Many new girls at Suzi Wong and a couple of lookers too.
The lezzie show was on rather late at about 10.30PM when the bar had a few customers.
I took two girls from the lezzie show and had a really nice threesome for the night. Lucky they were slim girls and could fit 3 in the bed.
It may not be the place you mean, but Nippon Kai on Soi 33, about 100m on the right as you walk from Suk, is a place i like.
I found Nippon Kai to be rather ordinary, actually. They seemed to be more interested to sell expensive cocktails than really great food.
Please advise the general riot situation or observances in Bangkok. Is lower Sukhumvit safe? I will appreciate guidance from members.
Last night there was an RPG attack in Dusit hotel. The 17th floor is said to be on fire.
It's relatively quite right now, though helicopter are in the air.
Remember: The Governments ultimatum to the red shirts to leave Rajprasong is set to 3 pm today!
Giotto
PS (12:45):
German:
UPDATE DER DEUTSCHEN BOTSCHAFT BANGKOK Nach letzten Informationen ist das Ultimatum fόr heute 15.00 Uhr sehr ernst zu nehmen. Falls Sie sich derzeit in Bangkok aufhalten bleiben Sie bitte zu Hause oder im Hotel.
English:
Update from German Embassy Bangkok: The set ultimatum 3 pm should be taken seriously. If you are in Bangkok please stay at home or in the hotel.
Please advise the general riot situation or observances in Bangkok. Is lower Sukhumvit safe? I will appreciate guidance from members.Probably best to stay somewhere up around Soi Cowboy (Asoke Road -- Soi 23). I stayed there this past weekend and it is fairly untouched by the present troubles. There are good internet deals on hotels. The Emporium (up near Soi 33) is open for shopping, food and movies. Lots of pretty girls in the go-go bars and FS massage shops, too!
The mood is definitely tenser down around Nana / Soi 4.
I'm with Amjeck. You guys are a bunch of drama queens. I was there in the red zone at the blockade a few weeks ago the night the RPG's were fired about 100m away from me. I was going to Patpong for a BJ. I still managed to cross the road from the reds side to the yellow and back after a few beers in a gogo.
Ok I would not go down into that area now but to say to stay away from Nana or Soi Cowboy is just scare mongering.
I guess we're the only die hard mongers left!
I took two girls from the lezzie show and had a really nice threesome for the night. Lucky they were slim girls and could fit 3 in the bed.
How much did you pay?
All girls in Nana are taking 1000ST now. Hopefully it will drop to 500 soon. The tables have turned! Its about time!
How can you not feel safe with a bunch of 18 year old kids with guns protecting you! Things are getting creepier right now - lots of places closed, hard to get money as the FX booths are closed and many ATMs are out of money. Not a lot of people on Sukhumvit and barbed wire across the Soi 11 sidewalk. I saw a bunch of army guys hiding behind columns and was wondering why. Part of me wants to go to Pattaya and another part wants to see how this all plays out.
I don't think guys came from across the world to sit in hotel room. I think lower suk is safe, I'm out there everynight. Lots of troops and police with guns about.
Nana gogo girls selling it for 1000ST.
The army needs to do a better job of ridding the streets of the low life "reds", however.Most of the girls you are shagging at greatly reduced rates are 'low-life reds'.
Of course the army top brass might decide it wouldn't matter if some of the low-life sex tourists were accidentally taken out...
Latest Google Map of problem areas:
http://maps.google.co.th/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116480606892254086046.0004817fafbb87b0951c0&ll=13.743804,100.541897&spn=0.057444,0.077162&z=14
Most of the girls you are shagging at greatly reduced rates are 'low-life reds'.
Of course the army top brass might decide it wouldn't matter if some of the low-life sex tourists were accidentally taken out...
I think that would have a longer term effect on the hand that feeds. You see a lot of people have all ready changes plans to the Philippines becauseof the problems there. I hear about sex tourisit getting taken out the change might be for good. Why it is never a good idea to bit the hand that feeds you, seems the government knows that better then some posters do.
I think that would have a longer term effect on the hand that feeds. You see a lot of people have all ready changes plans to the Philippines becauseof the problems there. I hear about sex tourisit getting taken out the change might be for good. Why it is never a good idea to bit the hand that feeds you, seems the government knows that better then some posters do.Yes, I wasn't really suggesting this might happen. I was just indirectly expressing my 'irritation' at anybody who hopes for more bloodshed to bring the price of sex down, particularly if it involves the death or injury of any of my friends or their families in Thailand. Irony - it's a British thing.
Reminds me of another poster in the Indian forum who was rejoicing when a whole load of female flight attendants were laid off, because he thought they would be out walking the streets for his pleasure. Low life indeed.
My hotel told me today situation was unchanged. The 3 pm event was cancelled. I could go out everywhere exept to West of soi 2. The army check point behind my hotel is removed. The 7-11 on soi 4 is now covered with newspapers, so no one can see it. (I think this is to prevent looting, as the red shirts had their food supply cut off). Several 7-11 in the rally area were looted the last days. Also ATM machines.
I don't think guys came from across the world to sit in hotel room. I think lower suk is safe, I'm out there everynight. Lots of troops and police with guns about.
Nana gogo girls selling it for 1000ST.
The army needs to do a better job of ridding the streets of the low life "reds", however.
Arrived in Lamai on Ko Samui yesterday and had an excellent LT with 3 pops for 1000B. However I did her bareback, so life her is quite dangerous as well. And a dog barked at me while running on the beach today.
Looks as if it will stay quiet tonight.
There are intensive negotiations ongoing in the background. The Government will most likely NOT crackdown on the demonstration tonight.
Giotto
Frankfurter
05-17-10, 16:04
Lets see whether I get this right:
If you as a white male dont belong to the 2% of punters who will ever have a shot at a well-educated, affluent, white TG from a good family, maybe even running her own company in กรุงเทพมหานคร you most likely will enjoy your time with a -often- dark-skinned beauty from Isaan, meaning from a region some Thais even dont consider being part of the real Thailand. (They refer to that province as Lao, or worse. They despise the Red Shirts and they despise the region. In fact, everything outside of กรุงเทพมหานคร is greatly suspect, maybe except for the Thai Flying Club in Bang Pra and the Country Club.)
We as hobbyist have, or had, more contacts with the Red Shirts presently and in the past than you might want to acknowledge.
The folks on the other side of the discussion- yellow shirts, high class, private schools, universities etc.- despise people from the poor rural northeast, their country music, dark skin, inability to speak well etc. All of you mongers who ever took your BG shopping at Paragon or Gaysorn plaza during the day knows what I am talking about: The looks, comments, disrespect of the sales people, most of them not even more educated, or more affluent, then the BG, but all with perfectly (bleached) white skin. It is so ironic that the Reds camp is exactly at that intersection!
Now, the rural poor from Isaan are fed up with this crony system, and guess what, they are coming to the heart of the city demanding a better life. Maybe one not so distant day they are also fed up serving us.
Most of the girls you are shagging at greatly reduced rates are 'low-life reds'.
Of course the army top brass might decide it wouldn't matter if some of the low-life sex tourists were accidentally taken out...
Yes, they are and to keep them out of power and poor is good for us mongers.
I don't think the army is aiming their guns at tourists.
Now, the rural poor from Isaan are fed up with this crony system, and guess what, they are coming to the heart of the city demanding a better life.
Is that the real reason they came to bkk to protest? Maybe a deeper look into things will reveal the truth.
Yes, they are and to keep them out of power and poor is good for us mongers.You should give us a list of good venues for cheap pussy. Haiti, Sierra Leone, Burma, Somalia, Tibet, Equatorial Guinea... I'll bet Sarajevo would have been a blast. Wherever there is human misery there goes someone with a big swinging dick...
Is that the real reason they came to bkk to protest? Maybe a deeper look into things will reveal the truth.What? They've come to protest about the international conspiracy orchestrated by the UN to impose a one-world government led by an international cabal of bankers? Or perhaps something a little more prosaic, like equality and justice?
What? They've come to protest about the international conspiracy orchestrated by the UN to impose a one-world government led by an international cabal of bankers? Or perhaps something a little more prosaic, like equality and justice?
Hmmm... Mr. T
Most of the girls you are shagging at greatly reduced rates are 'low-life reds'.
Of course the army top brass might decide it wouldn't matter if some of the low-life sex tourists were accidentally taken out...
Interesting to see the comment " Low life reds'
Somehow I doubt many of us mongers come from Royal heritage.
My best Thai experience was with an Isaan girl who was cute, fun and a great lay.
Those qualities are all I really need.
Giotto
Thanks for the real life updates. See you in December.
Guido88
Went over to Cowboy and Nana tonight in hopes of getting lower prices for girls because of all this nonsense. I did the same when the airport closed and was able to snag girls from cowboy for 1,000 ST and 1500 LT. Alas that was not the case tonight. Went to Cowboy first - Baccara and Tilac. Despite the bars being virtually empty (maybe 10 punters in each) the prices are the same! 2,000 baht for ST and they would not come down! Am I really that repulsive? I'm just average looking but I guess these girls aren't desperate enough to come down on the price - they wouldn't even take 1500 ST despite the bars being virtually empty. Oh well. Went over to Nana. Rainbow 4, Spanky's, and I did the perimeter around the bottom bars and just asked a few girls point blank. Nope - 2,000 ST was the standard at all venues - even the beer bars downstairs. So I guess these girls aren't desperate enough just yet!
On a side note, I was able to barfine a girl out of Spanky's and paid her 1200 baht for ST but that was only because I know her - sweet thing named "Boo".
Went over to Cowboy and Nana tonight in hopes of getting lower prices for girls because of all this nonsense. I did the same when the airport closed and was able to snag girls from cowboy for 1,000 ST and 1500 LT. Alas that was not the case tonight. Went to Cowboy first - Baccara and Tilac. Despite the bars being virtually empty (maybe 10 punters in each) the prices are the same! 2,000 baht for ST and they would not come down! Am I really that repulsive? I'm just average looking but I guess these girls aren't desperate enough to come down on the price - they wouldn't even take 1500 ST despite the bars being virtually empty. Oh well. Went over to Nana. Rainbow 4, Spanky's, and I did the perimeter around the bottom bars and just asked a few girls point blank. Nope - 2,000 ST was the standard at all venues - even the beer bars downstairs. So I guess these girls aren't desperate enough just yet!
On a side note, I was able to barfine a girl out of Spanky's and paid her 1200 baht for ST but that was only because I know her - sweet thing named "Boo".
I experienced the same, but ONLY tonight. I noticed that there were a lot of japanese punters out early grabbing the best meat, and we all know what they pay.
Another thing is the the bars may have less customers, but they also have less girls. Lots of girls aren't showing up to work.
I've grabbed a chick from nana for 1000ST the OTHER DAY and a few others agreed at 1000ST also, but I couldn't take all of them.
The whole pussy vibe in BKK is a bit depressing now. Time to move on.
Just found this in a travel forum. Some pictures from my playground.
http://picasaweb. Google.com/dlheyman/20100517Sukhumvit? Authkey=Gv1sRgCOyE1O_e68rc2QE&feat=directlink#
Although it's day time pictures. Seems awfully quiet (few people). Was wandering if it is like this at night. Will be there next month.
Hope things get back to normal soon.
The Rooster1
05-18-10, 04:22
I'm crippled up and needed to get out for a night, so my buddy assisted me over to the Cowboy on Saturday night. Hit one bar in the middle and enjoyed with staff as it had been a while since we had been there. Many attemps to get me in the naughty corner. Looks like anything went, maybe because the police are busy.
My buddy kept popping into the bars to check if easy for me to get in, all were pretty much dead, except Tilac. Was hoping to get an easy seat in Tilac.
So just sat outside drinking beers and watching the little traffic that went by. Very quiet for a Sat. night. Should of checked prices...
Jimbehr2000
05-18-10, 05:58
Does anybody know if the Nana Parking Lot Meat Market is still active after the Nana bars close?
Does anybody know if the Nana Parking Lot Meat Market is still active after the Nana bars close?
I was there last night around 1 am - about 10 girls out front. No discounts - 1,000 baht is still the going rate despite there being very few punters.
It was a quiet day today - thanks god.
There are rumours out there in Rajprasong that the army will make a move around 5 am, 19.05.2010.
Giotto
Distantpeak
05-18-10, 23:47
It was a quiet day today - thanks god.
There are rumours out there in Rajprasong that the army will make a move around 5 am, 19.05.2010.
GiottoI wonder if they have.
Iwannahumpalot
05-19-10, 02:53
Hi will be arriving in LOS Friday.
Was wondering if the stall holders are out trading as usual between Nana and Asoke. Would thier presence indicate a degree of comfort that the situation is contained up the other end of town?
Also has anyone been to the BG last few days. Anyone around?
Thanks
NicFrenchy
05-19-10, 02:56
All of you mongers who ever took your BG shopping at Paragon or Gaysorn plaza during the day knows what I am talking about: The looks, comments, disrespect of the sales people, most of them not even more educated, or more affluent, then the BG, but all with perfectly (bleached) white skin. It is so ironic that the Reds camp is exactly at that intersection!
What are you talking about??? Have you tried taking a Hooker shopping in the west? if people in the west know she is a hooker, you will get the same looks, comments, disrespect. It is just more obvious in Thailand because all the white buffalos (us) always feel the need to take the poor little brown girl our for food or gifts.
Don't blame other Thais for the looks/comments... it's just not in their culture to take prostitutes out to shopping.
The army is moving in on the demonstration, breaking through the barricades at Saladaeng / Lumpini Park.
The operation started around 7 am this morning.
Pictures:
http://twitpic.com/1ozuct
http://tweetphoto.com/22995406
http://tweetphoto.com/22997815
http://tweetphoto.com/22998502
http://images.scribblelive.com/2010/5/18/cbf69b27-ffdd-44f9-9ae4-1576f11f2586_400.jpg
http://tweetphoto.com/23002894
http://tweetphoto.com/23002909
http://yfrog.com/50m36j
http://tweetphoto.com/22996865
http://tweetphoto.com/23003989
Live coverage on CNN.
Found on a blog:
Be careful Sukhumwit
Many areas in and around Sukhumvit - be dangerous - still keep at home due to army special forces shooting anywhere/anyone.
Google Map Street Battles:
http://maps.google.co.th/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116480606892254086046.0004817fafbb87b0951c0&ll=13.729568,100.54179&spn=0.014362,0.01929&z=16
Al Jazeera Live Stream:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
TNN 24 Live Stream:
http://www.tnnthailand.com/live/live_low.html
Giotto
Hi will be arriving in LOS Friday.
Was wondering if the stall holders are out trading as usual between Nana and Asoke. Would thier presence indicate a degree of comfort that the situation is contained up the other end of town?
Also has anyone been to the BG last few days. Anyone around?
Thanks
Take a look at those pics that Tryntry posted and you'll see a tailor shop with boards on the windows, a lack of street stalls, Morning-Night bar closed. Not comforting.
The army is moving in on the demonstration, breaking through the barricades at Saladaeng / Lumpini Park. GiottoA few pictures from Lumpini Park at about 10am....
...and, one of a farang TV news photographer being chased away at Khlong Toey this morning at about 7:30 am...
Things were getting very hot out there today.
Don't blame other Thais for the looks/comments... it's just not in their culture to take prostitutes out to shopping.True enough, and anyone who does better be prepared for the worst.
But the real problem is that the rich and wannabe-rich of Bangkok, especially the women, have an almost infinite capacity for snobbery. Anybody who doesn't meet their standards for skin color, height, dress, accent etc. is liable to be treated pretty badly, even if they have respectable jobs and even if they're not with farang males. Ask any new arrival from the countryside who's made the mistake of wandering into the 'wrong' shop or restaurant. I know one who was reduced to tears on her first day in Bangkok. So yes, I do blame them for that.
2:10 pm:
Al Jazeera reports about fires in the lower Sukhumvit area.
Rajprasong Intersection empty, the red shirts left.
Black shirts seen shooting in that area.
3 red shirt leaders are on the run.
6 red shirt leaders surrendered to the police.
Din Daeng - heavy fighting.
Rumours about town houses raided by the red shirts in Khon Kaen and Udon. Governor calling for help / reinforcement.
Remember - Sukhumvit road is one route to get out of the city from Rajprasong.
Giotto
from: http://teakdoor.com/battle-for-bangkok-news/71964-battle-bangkok-19th-may-death-toll-11.html
...tweets on Twitter
RT [at]BKKApologist: The Klong Toei rally's crowd strength. Keep in mind it goes deeper than this. Here's a rough idea of the Klong Toei rally's crowd strength.... on Twitpic
half a minute ago via TweetDeck
RT [at]tulsathit: Sansern: Action was met with several acts of terrorism, casuing a lot of damage.
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Analysts say some investors bought on news the military had moved in to disperse anit-government protesters. (Reuters)
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Thai stock market, which closed early today, ends higher after protest crackdown. (Reuters)
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
RT [at]veen_NT: Reds started burning tyres on Latprao near RamintrA Expressway, said an eyewitness.
4 minutes ago via TweetDeck
RT [at]beejoir: Fire all along Pleonchit, from Chidlom to Home Pro, its bad.
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Gunshots heard in Din Daeng now.
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck
TNN24 reporting that violence continues at Khlong Toei red shirt stage as they don't believe it is over.
6 minutes ago via TweetDeck
RT [at]thaicam: black smoke now in all directions from PLoenchit
6 minutes ago via TweetDeck
RT [at]nkoleszar: Heavy smoke from multiple fires now visible south of me. At least one appears to be at Rajavithi or Victory Monument.
7 minutes ago via TweetDeck
RT [at]markmackinnon: Getting a bit dangerous now around Chidlom
10 minutes ago via TweetDeck
see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrumsBhRe24
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/178438/reds-dissatisfied-run-amok
Please be aware, that it can be dangerous out there, nobody knows where the dispersed reds including the "men in black" are popping up next.
Giotto
SE Asia Joe
05-19-10, 09:05
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/178438/reds-dissatisfied-run-amok
Please be aware, that it can be dangerous out there, nobody knows where the dispersed reds including the "men in black" are popping up next.
Giotto
Sad..... just so sad to see Thais killing Thais.
So much anger, so much hate, so much cruelty - from mere cannon fodder being played by so few.
Land of smiles, Land of Anger, Land of Tears
So sad.
SEAJ
The Old Fat Man
05-19-10, 09:19
Bengkok Post closed and evacuated.
Their web site has also just crashed.
TOFM
Outside Bangkok:
http://memock.wordpress.com/
3:45 pm
Useful blog:
http://twitter.com/RichardBarrow
Stock market is on fire (Asoke/Queen Sirikit Park)!
Channel 3 Building on fire.
Giotto
Curfew 8pm May 19 to 6am May20
Wednesday, 19 May, 2010 4:07:36 PM
Giotto
Looks like negotiation might have been a better idea?
see photos (from the web)...
What was asshole Thaksin's political party called??? Thai-Rak-Thai (Thais Love Thais)??? Bullshit!!! I can't believe he let this happen. Someone should put a bullet in this guys head. I never hated anybody, but I hate this guy. He is destroying a country that I love and enjoy travelling to. I wish everyone on the ground there in Thailand the best of luck.
Here is another link that might help keep everyone updated.
http://live.reuters.com/Event/Bangkok_protests
Cunning Linguist
05-19-10, 12:06
What was asshole Thaksin's political party called??? Thai-Rak-Thai (Thais Love Thais)??? Bullshit!!! I can't believe he let this happen. Someone should put a bullet in this guys head. I never hated anybody, but I hate this guy. He is destroying a country that I love and enjoy travelling to. I wish everyone on the ground there in Thailand the best of luck.
It is far more complex than that! Thaksin was corrupt, trampled human rights in every which way, but at least he paid attention to the poor, even if it might have been an election ploy. The Yellows are just as bad, arguably worse since they never paid attention to the poor and even look down on them, going as far as calling for an end to one-man one vote rule in some cases. As the elite(s) are going to steal anyway, the only viable solution is for the elite(s) (Yellow and Red) to steal 90% instead of 99%.
Thailand is going to have to get its act together. Bangkok might be clear (or about to be cleared) of the redshirts but the provinces in the North will be restive. There has to be a compromise.
A recent list of the fires/damages:
1. Siam Square, on fire (rumour)
2. Paragon, smaller fire in front
3. Centara Grand: fire under control
4. Stock Exchange of Thailand office: on fire
5. Mahachon Plaza (entrance of Wireless Rd-Ploenchit Rd): on fire
6. Krung Thai and Bangkok Bank (Asoke Branch): on fire
7. Narcotics Control Board: on fire
8. Bangkok Bank (Din Daeng): fire under control
9. Maleenont Building: on fire
10. Bangkok Bank and Lotus Rama 4: on fire
11. EGAT Klongtoey: fire under control
12. Central World: seriously on fire, several storeys burnung
Giotto
What was asshole Thaksin's political party called??? Thai-Rak-Thai (Thais Love Thais)??? Bullshit!!! I can't believe he let this happen. Someone should put a bullet in this guys head. I never hated anybody, but I hate this guy. He is destroying a country that I love and enjoy travelling to. I wish everyone on the ground there in Thailand the best of luck.
The vast majority of Thai people were better off under Thaksin than under the Abhisit government.
Thaksin concentrated wealth into his and his cronies hands, and took care of the underclass.
The yellow coalition government concentrates wealth into a whole elite class of people and they ruthlessly exploit the other 98%.
By the metric of overall economic growth, Abhisit is more succesful. By the metric of overall well being of the population, Thaksin was.
Do you love the sex and partying, or the people?
What is a nation?
Is Thaksin destroying your party spot, or is the greed of the yellows and their refusal to share the nations wealth with its people really at fault?
I personally don't know which approach is better in the long term, but I surely don't see how this disastrous cataclysm will be better than just continuing to work at a solution peacefully, or even just dissolving and holding an election so the people could decide democratically would have been.
There will be years, perhaps decades of conflict and insurgency now. The genie is out and no one, neither Abhisit or the Red's will get it back in the bottle for a long time now.
I weep for Siam.
The vast majority of Thai people were better off under Thaksin than under the Abhisit government.Please, could you take this elsewhere? There's a 'Thai politics' section under the Thai expat forum that welcomes this kind of post, no matter how misinformed. More than ever, this forum needs to be devoted to practical matters that affect us in Bangkok right now.
...no matter how misinformed.
But Betong, you got your political fling in here too!
The pot is calling the kettle black!
But Betong, you got your political fling in here too!Hey, just a statement of what goes on in that forum, not accusing anyone ;-)
More than ever, this forum needs to be devoted to practical matters that affect us in Bangkok right now.The only thing practical in Bangkok right now is keeping one's ass alive. I was out in Khlong Toey this morning and I can definitely say there was an anti-farang sentiment in the air.
The masked guys in these photos were breaking out the glass at the MRT station. The photographer was trying to film it. Later the MRT station was set on fire.
Do you love the sex and partying, or the people?
I love the SEX and I hope it gets cheaper. Love the people? Nope! They certainly don't love us!
I love the SEX and I hope it gets cheaper. Love the people? Nope! They certainly don't love us!Yes, now we know why!
The vast majority of Thai people were better off under Thaksin than under the Abhisit government.
Thaksin concentrated wealth into his and his cronies hands, and took care of the underclass.
The yellow coalition government concentrates wealth into a whole elite class of people and they ruthlessly exploit the other 98%.
By the metric of overall economic growth, Abhisit is more succesful. By the metric of overall well being of the population, Thaksin was.
Do you love the sex and partying, or the people?
What is a nation?
Is Thaksin destroying your party spot, or is the greed of the yellows and their refusal to share the nations wealth with its people really at fault?
I personally don't know which approach is better in the long term, but I surely don't see how this disastrous cataclysm will be better than just continuing to work at a solution peacefully, or even just dissolving and holding an election so the people could decide democratically would have been.
There will be years, perhaps decades of conflict and insurgency now. The genie is out and no one, neither Abhisit or the Red's will get it back in the bottle for a long time now.
I weep for Siam.Fuck me. Vast majority? Who's suckin your dick and tellin you it's big?
I have lived in Thailand since 1982. You're right, you don't know, so keep your yap shut. Every single death involved in this latest go-round belongs on Thaksin's head. Period.
The genie was out of the bottle when Thaksin started lying about his "best friend", then Prime Minister, 'Chuan Leekpai'. Thaksin easily paid off the media to make it all believable. This butt ugly elementary school diorama was pasted on the wall a long long time ago Naughty. Thaskin is a moron, a fact obviously assessed long before you got here, stupid rich does not equal stupid smart. (His wife is a conniving ho.)
Now, talk about what you know.
History lesson: Pre WW2, Isaan had all the money from old style rice farming and treated the rest of Thailand like shit. Do your homework and report back (I. E. Paybacks are rough, and so are blackshirt snipers: "A cop is always a cop" Thaksin Shinawatra's tree snipers were his favorite way to deal with petty ya-ba dealers that talked too much. His good buddy cops were all on the take.)
Google Somchai Khunpluem and Vatana Asavahame. Thaksin's outside money men. The "Khamnan" had $100 million USD in the bank ready to disseminate to the "loyal" for just this last weekend. "Little money for big things. "
Good lord. Remember the famous words of the Thaksin's era? (Coined by his wife): "Turn crisis into an opportunity"
The 'crisis', in this here and now time period, involves over 40 deaths and over 1000 injured. Anyone with an IQ of 88 (the Thai norm) knows that Thaksin is famous for ignoring the law and fabricating the truth.
Don't get me started.
The only thing practical in Bangkok right now is keeping one's ass alive. I was out in Khlong Toey this morning and I can definitely say there was an anti-farang sentiment in the air.
The masked guys in these photos were breaking out the glass at the MRT station. The photographer was trying to film it. Later the MRT station was set on fire.The reports on the BBC today talk about an anti-press sentiment. No mention of an anti-Westerner sentiment (and I can't see why there should be one?)
The reports on the BBC today talk about an anti-press sentiment. No mention of an anti-Westerner sentiment (and I can't see why there should be one?)Funny, I didn't see anyone from the BBC.
This morning at Khlong Toey there was a very bad vibe, and I could hear what people were saying. I did not feel welcome at their street insurrection party. Animosity (toward foreigners) is something that your rarely feel directly from Thai people, although, many people who live here know it exists.
It's madness right now in Bangkok. Madness and violence. You can see it in people's eyes.
Primo Bolan
05-19-10, 19:44
I heared that some parts of BKK the net is blocked?
PB
Bangkok Xx Bob
05-19-10, 20:25
Funny, I didn't see anyone from the BBC.Rachel Harvey's reports have been so biased and poor that this is probably a good thing!
Animosity (toward foreigners) is something that your rarely feel directly from Thai people, although, many people who live here know it exists.
Thais have always resented foreigners, but in peaceful times they hide it better.
Quitos1950
05-19-10, 22:34
don't blame dan rivers
by somtow sucharitkul
i have been composing a long, day by day account of the "troubles" of the last three days, which i have not yet posted. the reason is that i've been getting a lot of mail asking me to explain "the truth" to people overseas. a lot of people here are astonished and appalled at the level of irresponsibility and inaccuracy shown by such major news sources as cnn, and are imputing the most astonishing motives to this, such as suggesting that they're in the pay of thaksin and so on.
i don't think this is really what is going on. rather, i think that there are two basic problems: preconception and language.
cnn first became a force to be reckoned with during the "people power" movement in the philippines. the kind of coverage we had for this as amazing. there was a camera in every camp, and we could follow this exciting revolution every step of the way. we knew exactly who to root for: the oppressed masses led by the widow of the iconic aquino, and we knew that whenever president marcos appeared he was darth vader, the symbol of an evil empire. the arc of the story was simple and inexorable. a whole new way of looking at the news was born, with all the excitement of a tv miniseries and, prophetically, a reality show as well.
of course, many of the little details of the story were conveniently glossed over. reality was not never is so black and white. but there are three important things about this story: first, in its essentials, there was a lot of truth. and all the protagonists spoke english.
the philippines, as filipinos never tire of telling me, is the third most populous english speaking country in the world. we will leave the definition of "english-speaking" to another blog, but it's very important that the various sides in this conflict were able to articulate their viewpoints in a language which cnn well understood.
the third important thing about the story is that it fulfilled a vision of history that is an inseparable part of the inheritance of western culture, that is so ingrained in western thinking that it is virtually impossible for an educated member of western society to divorce himself from it.
it is a vision of history as a series of liberations. from harmodius and aristogeiton throwing off the tyrant's yoke to the removal of the tarquins and the establishment of the roman republic to the failed rebellion of spartacus, from magna carta to the bastille to the american civil war to the russian revolution, there is this platonic model against which these big historical movements are always compared. there is a bad guy often a dictator who can be demonized. there is a struggling proletariat. the end comes with "liberty and justice for all". this is star wars. the dark times. the empire.
the "people power" coverage was riveting, compelling, and contained all the emotional components of this mythical story arc. finding another such story, therefore, is a kind of holy grail for the international media. when a story comes that appears to contain some of the elements, and it's too much hard work to verify those elements or get all the background detail, you go with the great archetype of western civilization.
now, let us consider the redshirt conflict.
let's not consider what has actually been happening in thailand, but how it looks to someone whose worldview has been coloured with this particular view of history.
let's consider the fact that there is pretty much nothing being explained in english, and that there are perhaps a dozen foreigners who really understand thai thoroughly. i don't mean thai for shopping, bargirls, casual conversation and the like. thai is a highly ambiguous language and is particularly well suited for seeming to say opposite things simultaneously. to get what is really being said takes total immersion.
when you watch a red shirt rally, notice how many english signs and placards there are, and note that they they are designed to show that these are events conforming to the archetype. the placards say "democracy", "no violence," "stop killing innocent women and children" and so on. speakers are passionately orating, crowds are moved. but there are no subtitles. what does it look like?
the answer is obvious. it looks like oppressed masses demanding freedom from an evil dictator.
don't blame dan rivers, et al., who are only doing what they are paid to do: find the compelling story within the mass of incomprehensible data, match that story to what the audience already knows and believes, and make sure the advertising money keeps flowing in.
a vigorous counter-propaganda campaign in clear and simple english words of one syllable has always been lacking and is the reason the government is losing the pr war while actually following the most logical steps toward a real and lasting resolution.
if the foreign press were in fact able to speak thai well enough to follow all the reportage here coming from all sides, they would also be including some of the following information in their reports. i want to insist yet again that i am not siding with anyone. the following is just information that people really need before they write their news reports.
-- thaksin was democratically elected, but became increasingly undemocratic, and the country gradually devolved from a nation where oligarchs skimmed off the top to a kleptocracy of one. during his watch, thousands of people were summarily executed in the south of thailand and in a bizarre "war on drugs" in which body count was considered a marker of success.
-- the coup that ousted thaksin was of course completely illegal, but none of the people who carried it out are in the present government.
-- the yellow shirts' greatest error in moulding its international image was to elevate thaksin's corruption as its major bone of contention. thai governments have always been corrupt. the extent of corruption and the fact that much of it went into only one pocket was shocking to thais, but the west views all "second-rate countries" as being corrupt. had they used the human rights violations and muzzling of the press as their key talking points, the "heroic revolution" archetype would have been moulded with opposite protagonists, and cnn and bbc would be telling an opposite story today.
-- the constitution which was approved by a referendum after the coup and which brought back democracy was flawed, but it provided more checks and balances, and made election fraud a truly accountable offense for the first time.
-- the parliamentary process by which the democrat coalition came to power was the same process by which the lib dems and tories have attained power in britain. the parliament that voted in this government consists entirely of democratically elected members.
-- no one ever disputed the red shirts' right to peaceful assembly, and the government went out of its way to accede to their demands.
-- this country already has democracy. not a perfect one, but the idea of "demanding democracry" is sheer fantasy
-- the yellow shirts did not succeed in getting any of their demands from the government. the last two governments changed because key figures were shown to have committed election fraud. they simply did not take their own constitution seriously enough to follow it.
-- the red tv station has a perfect right to exist, but if foreign journalists actually understood thai, they would realize that much of its content went far beyond any constitutionally acceptable limits of "protected speech" in a western democracy. every civilized society limits speech when it actually harms others, whether by inciting hate or by slander. the government may have been wrong to brusquely pull the plug, but was certainly right to cry foul. it should have sought an injunction first. example: arisman threatened to destroy mosques, government buildings, and "all institutions you hold sacred" ... a clip widely seen on youtube, without subtitles. without subtitles, it looks like "liberty, equality, fraternity".
-- the army hasn't been shooting women and children ... or indeed anyone at all, except in self-defense. otherwise this would all be over, wouldn't it? it's simple for a big army to mow down 5,000 defenseless people.
-- since the government called the red shirts' bluff and allowed the deputy p.m. to report to the authorities to hear their accusations, the red leaders have been making ever-more fanciful demands. the idea of un intervention is patently absurd. when thaksin killed all those muslims and alleged drug lords, human rights groups asked the un to intervene. when the army took over the entire country, some asked the un to intervene. the un doesn't intervene in the internal affairs of sovereign countries except when requested to by the country itself or when the government has completely broken down.
-- thailand hasn't had an unbreachable gulf between rich and poor for at least 20 years. these conflicts are about the rise of the middle class, not the war between the aristocrats and the proletariat.
-- abhisit, with his thoroughly western and somewhat liberal background, shares the values of the west and is in fact more likely to bring about the social revolution needed by thailand's agrarian poor than any previous leader. he is, in fact, pretty red, while thaksin, in his autocratic style of leadership, is in a way pretty yellow. simplistic portrayals do not help anyone to understand anything.
-- the only people who do not seem to care about the red's actual grievances are their own leaders, who are basically making everyone risk their live to see if they can get bail.
-- the king has said all that he is constitutionally able to say when he spoke to the supreme court justices and urged them to do their duty. the western press never seem to realize that the thai monarchy is constitutionally on the european model ... not, say, the saudi model. the king reigns ... he doesn't "rule". this is a democracy. the king is supposed to symbolize all the people, not a special interest group.
the above are just a few of the elements that needed to be sorted through in order to provide a balanced view of what is happening in this country.
there is one final element that must be mentioned. most are not even aware of it. but there is, in the western mindset, a deeply ingrained sense of the moral superiority of western culture which carries with it the idea that a third world country must by its very nature be ruled by despots, oppress peasants, and kill and torture people. most westerners become very insulted when this is pointed out to them because our deepest prejudices are always those of which we are least aware. i believe that there is a streak of this crypto-racism in some of the reportage we are seeing in the west. it is because of this that baghdad, yangon, and bangkok are being treated as the same thing. we all look alike.
yes, this opinion is always greeted with outrage. i do my best to face my own preconceptions and don't succeed that often, but i acknowledge they exist nonetheless.
some of the foreign press are painting the endgame as the alamo, but it is not. it is a lot closer to jonestown or waco.
like those latter two cases, a highly charismatic leader figure (in our case operating from a distance, shopping in paris while his minions sweat in the 94°weather) has taken an inspirational idea: in one case christianity, in the other democracy, and reinvented it so that mainstream christians, or real democrats, can no longer recognize it. the followers are trapped. there is a siege mentality and information coming from outside is screened so that those trapped believe they will be killed if they try to leave. women and children are being told that they are in danger if they fall into the hands of the government, and to distrust the medics and ngos waiting to help them. there are outraged pronouncements that they're not in fact using the children as human shields, but that the parents brought them willingly to "entertain and thrill" them. there is mounting paranoia coupled with delusions of grandeur, so that the little red kingdom feels it has the right to summon the united nations, just like any other sovereign state. the reporters in rajprasong who are attached to the red community are as susceptible to this variant of the stockholm syndrome as anyone else.
the international press must separate out the very real problems that the rural areas of thailand face, which will take decades to fix, from the fact that a mob is rampaging through bangkok, burning, looting, and firing grenades, threatening in the name of democracy to destroy what democracy yet remains in this country.
but this bad reporting is not their fault. it is our fault for not providing the facts in bite-sized pieces, in the right language, at the right time.
Thaksin is no angel, that's true.
He most likely has a hand in fomenting the current situation. However, this is a popular uprising, supported overtly or covertly, by the majority of Thailands people and the current government has ignored this fact at the nations peril.
Thaksin's policies improved the lives of the 33 or so million folks who live outside of BKK and the other main cities (not to mention millions in it!) more than anyone else on the stage. When he was deposed, their quality of life declined in obvious and tangible ways.
The underclass wants a piece of the pie they tasted under him.
You need to get out of the city, Barko, and see how the rest of Thailand is. Eat some fried dung beetles.
Do you love the sex and partying, or the people?
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Is Thaksin destroying your party spot, or is the greed of the yellows and their refusal to share the nations wealth with its people really at fault?...
You don't know me well, so you cannot understand why I feel the way I do. The majority of my Thai friends are middle class, from Bangkok. Bangkok has always been primarily a place for me to meet up with my friends and spend time with good friends. The sex and partying has always been secondary. None of the many friends I know support the red shirts. They have no right to do what they have done. If Thaksin really cared about his country he would have put a stop to this a long time ago. Instead, he just fanned the flames. He doesn't care about his people. He doesn't care about his country.
It is far more complex than that! Thaksin was corrupt, trampled human rights in every which way, but at least he paid attention to the poor, even if it might have been an election ploy. The Yellows are just as bad, arguably worse since they never paid attention to the poor and even look down on them, going as far as calling for an end to one-man one vote rule in some cases. As the elite(s) are going to steal anyway, the only viable solution is for the elite(s) (Yellow and Red) to steal 90% instead of 99%.
Thailand is going to have to get its act together. Bangkok might be clear (or about to be cleared) of the redshirts but the provinces in the North will be restive. There has to be a compromise.
I agree. But it can't be one way or the other. Like you say, there has to be compromise. Destroying the country because you can't get your way is not the way to show your love for a country. Thaksin should have stopped this. He made it worse. That's why I am so angry with him. When the Yellows took over the airport, they didn't cause anywhere near this amount of damage. The reds started their protest peacefully and little by little escalated it until it got to a point the likes of which I have never seen. There is such a thing as peaceful protest. This was not one. Still, the reds are asking their people over the radio to go into the provinces and burn hotels, banks, and government buildings. How does that help anybody??? Compromise, yes. I agree with that. This is not compromise. This is "My way or no way!"
None of the many friends I know support the red shirts. They have no right to do what they have done. If Thaksin really cared about his country he would have put a stop to this a long time ago. Instead, he just fanned the flames. He doesn't care about his people. He doesn't care about his country.
Then, it logically follows, that the yellows did have the "right" to depose by coup and administrative fiat three democratically elected governments in a row so they could more easily exploit the vastly larger underclass who they really, really care about?
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I see bad things comin' for Thailand where I, too, have many friends and relatives, from all social classes.
I'm done.
You're info is valuable and appreciated. I just think telling guys to stay in their hotel rooms is a little over the top. Seize this opportunity and take advantage of the deals out there.
Should they stay in their rooms now?
Having been to Bangkok twice and never Pattaya, I thought that with all the hostilities this would be a great time to try Pattaya. But now that the that the troubles have descended on Pattaya, I'm back to considering Bangkok. Can we get some reports from people in Bangkok right now. If someone is considering staying in a hotel in between Nana and Cowboy, and going nowhere else, is it safe? And even if it is safe if you keep travels limited to these areas, have all the WG disappeared?
Suller Joe
05-20-10, 01:59
Is that politics and power reform did stall in Thailand. Had they reformed as success came, none of this would have happened and the rich would have been even richer.
Now a huge price will be paid.
NicFrenchy
05-20-10, 02:56
I'm done.
Really? you're off to eating some fried dung beetles? ;)
I'll answer my own question with this:
http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/
I'll answer my own question with this:
http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/
Additionally you have to consider that the curfew was extended to 3 more nights (until sunday)
The day after. Pictures:
BTS Chidlom: http://twitpic.com/1pb1nd
Empty Stage: http://twitpic.com/1pb4f5
Centralworld: http://twitpic.com/1pb739
Centralworld: http://twitpic.com/1pb8dj
Centralworld: http://twitpic.com/1pb89k
Curfew for the next 3 days, 9 pm to 5 am
Giotto
List of 36 places in Bangkok hit by arsons (The Nation, CRES):
1. Office of the Narcotics Control Board (ONCB)
2. A commercial building in Bon Kai community
3. Kasikorn Bank, soi Ngam Doo Plee branch
4. Siam Paragon Shopping Complex
5. CentralWorld Shopping Complex
6. Maleenont Tower
7. Government Savings Bank, Sam Liam Din Daeng branch
8. Metropolitan Electricity Authority, Klong Toei branch
9. Metropolitan Waterworks Authority, Klong Toei branch
10. Stock Exchange of Thailand
11. Sogo Department Store in Rajaprasong area
12. Siam and Scala Cinemas in Siam Square
13. Post Publishing PCL
14. Bangkok Bank, Asok branch
15. Bangkok Bank, Victory Monument branch
16. Bangkok Bank, Chan Road branch
17. Center One Shopping Mall
18. Siam Square
19. Siam City Bank, Siam Square branch
20. Bangkok Bank, Siam Square branch
21. shops in Siam Square soi 5 and 6
22. Mahatun Plaza Building on Ploen Chit Road
23. Bangkok Bank, Rama IV branch
24. 7-Eleven convenient store, Sam Liam Din Daeng branch
25. Krungthai Bank next to Mater Dei School
26. Krungthai Bank, Asok branch
27. Bangkok Bank, Bangjak branch
28. Tesco Lotus Express convenient store, Rama IV branch
29. Bangkok Bank, Sathupradit branch
30. Bangkok Bank, Saphanluang branch
31. Siam City Bank, Sam Liam Din Daeng branch
32. Siam City Bank, Sunthornkosa branch in Klong Toei district
33. 7-Eleven convenient store near Victory Monument
34. Bangkok Bank, Hua Lam Phong branch
35. Siam Commercial Bank, Prachachuen branch
36. Big C Superstore, Rajdamri branch
Three Provincial Halls upcountry were hit by fires in Khon Kaen, Ubon Ratchathani and Udon Thani.
Giotto
Assuming that the curfew applies to farangs as well as Thais, how are you guys caught up in this coping?
What tactics are you employing?
Engage a lady LT before 5pm and hole up in the hotel for the night?
Assuming that the curfew applies to farangs as well as Thais, how are you guys caught up in this coping?
What tactics are you employing?
Engage a lady LT before 5pm and hole up in the hotel for the night?
Thats what I did yesterday from 2pm till 8 am - it felt much much longer. As I get older my patience for Thai girls is about 1 hour with very few exceptions. I was so happy when she left! I think I'll watch dvds on my own tonight.
Big Daddy 1906
05-20-10, 13:28
The day after. Pictures:
BTS Chidlom: http://twitpic.com/1pb1nd
Empty Stage: http://twitpic.com/1pb4f5
Centralworld: http://twitpic.com/1pb739
Centralworld: http://twitpic.com/1pb8dj
Centralworld: http://twitpic.com/1pb89k
Curfew for the next 3 days, 9 pm to 5 am
Giotto
Damn!! It will be months (at best) before the district gets up and running (If at all)!!! I'm scheduled to in Bangkok at the end of July for a doctor's appointment. I usually stay at the Intercontinental but it looks i may have to change that if I show up at all.
Dear all,
While many of you who live in Thailand may sympathise with the red or yellow shirts there are no winners in this mess: everyone has lost something: business, family, peace of mind, jobs. I don't need to tell you...ask the hotel owners, ask Giotto, ask the people who worked at CentralWorld, ask yourselves!
I am no expert in thai politics, language or culture. I've only visited the place three times. Violence is however counterproductive to economic stability, tourism and social cohesion.
In an earlier post I stated my suspicion that the army would use armoured vehicles. I was unfortunately correct. I just hope that this nightmare will end.
For all its inherent inconsistencies I love Thailand, its culture, music, food and last but not least women.
Take care and keep safe
Taka
M P Lurker
05-20-10, 15:25
I have tried a number of Sushi places in Bangkok and not many really live up to really top quality at a good price.
My favourite is not a Buffet, but I will guarantee the quality of the sushi and other dishes. I have even had the very spcial "toro" sushi there. Its hard to go anywhere else once you have found the one with the best food, and no rip-off prices.
From Sukhumwit road, enter the first very small Soi after Soi 33 (with Villa Markt at the front). Very soon you will be forced to turn right. The restaurant is then on the right side with bamboo like decoration inside.
It has a menu outside that will show the sushi.
I think its opposite to Fuji supermarket but maybe I miss remember slightly.
Alternatively enter the next Soi (Soi 33/1) and turn to the left. These little Sois are very Japanese oriented.
P.S. I tried a Sushi place in main Soi 33 but it wasn't worth repeating. But the good place is still very close.
I did mis-remember slightly. "Toaya" my favourite little Japanese restaurant with fabulous sushi is NOT opposite Fuji Supermarket, but is in the little side soi from Sukhumwit soi 33/1, opposite the Bull's Head pub.
I tried many sushi places recommended by others including several in soi 33 proper, but none had a food quality and price to match Toaya, even including those with Japanese customers. Probably the Japanese guys were looking for cute waitresses :), in places where the food was really not quite right.
Many places have Thai staff who just do not understand how to do Japanese food right. It requires special training.
http://gnarlykitty.org/2009/02/toaya/
Toaya is not open on Tuesday (I found out the hard way).
Saint Mint
05-20-10, 17:42
Damn!! It will be months (at best) before the district gets up and running (If at all)!!! I'm scheduled to in Bangkok at the end of July for a doctor's appointment. I usually stay at the Intercontinental but it looks i may have to change that if I show up at all.Yep, agreed. If it's serious go home and see your doctor. The capital will not be taking into consideration your condition when the sides plan their next activities. Unless I am wrong and, you are the real big daddy? The big Daddy that has been silent during the last few months watching as his children have been fighting each other? Watching for the last few nights and saying nothing? I am a falang but, so sad about what is happening.
Terry Terrier
05-21-10, 01:15
Is that politics and power reform did stall in Thailand. Had they reformed as success came, none of this would have happened and the rich would have been even richer.
Now a huge price will be paid.
Wise words, Joe. But the major players here can't see beyond the end of their noses. It seems to be an ongoing issue in this country.
Traveller China
05-21-10, 03:37
Additionally you have to consider that the curfew was extended to 3 more nights (until sunday)Does the above mean that the curfew is still in force Sunday evening, or that it ends on Sunday so people can move freely again? I had evil plans for Sunday evening as I arrive in BKK, but if there's a curfew I might as well bring some DVDs and chill in the hotel.
Does the above mean that the curfew is still in force Sunday evening, or that it ends on Sunday so people can move freely again? I had evil plans for Sunday evening as I arrive in BKK, but if there's a curfew I might as well bring some DVDs and chill in the hotel.Traveller China,
not clear right now - I heard about the Curfew being extended to Sunday - but I am not sure yet. Officially it ends on Sunday morning, 5 am.
Giotto
Does the above mean that the curfew is still in force Sunday evening, or that it ends on Sunday so people can move freely again? I had evil plans for Sunday evening as I arrive in BKK, but if there's a curfew I might as well bring some DVDs and chill in the hotel.Just get a girl to come over early and stay.
Anyway, the curfew is lifted for Patts. I would be surprised if they extended it for Bangkok beyond Sunday morning.
At 6pm most bars were closed. some smaller ones were open. Dollhouse was open as well and packed. Don't know at what time they close.
At 6pm most bars were closed. some smaller ones were open. Dollhouse was open as well and packed. Don't know at what time they close.This brings up another interesting aspect. During times of curfew, I reckon the old "Sure, I go LT baby" that turns into "My sister have no key" with ST money is more difficult to pull off. After all, they may get shot, and not by the punter. Any experiences or are y'all just loading up the DVDs on the computer and sleeping alone?
I am scheduled to reach Bangkok on 30 May. Is it safe. I mean arriving from airport to Sukhumvit. Staying there and returning after a week of mongering.
Are there a lot of checkpoints? I would be grateful if anyone who has arrived recently would let me know.
I am scheduled to reach Bangkok on 30 May. Is it safe. I mean arriving from airport to Sukhumvit. Staying there and returning after a week of mongering. Are there a lot of checkpoints? I would be grateful if anyone who has arrived recently would let me know.Safe. The feeling on the street is a lot different today.
Still a big military and police presence, but they are starting to pack up and go home. I know as some police brass were staying in my building, and I passed them checking out (with smiles) this afternoon!
Interestingly, even in the times of curfew you can have a very good time here. Yesterday, my "mrs." went home to see her kid, so I booked a last minute room at a hotel on Suk Soi 23. I went there about 4 pm, checked in, then walked across the street to a massage shop for a Thai massage (MM Massage). The pretty lady offered me a special but I told her was saving my power for later; however, I did arrange for her to come to my room the next morning.
A little before 8, my #1 gik came to my hotel to spend the night after her shift at the flower shop. She left early, and a little later the pretty massage lady came by for a couple of hours. Man, she is a sweetie...
Checked out about 1 pm, walked through Soi Cowboy (lots of smiles and "welcomes" from the beer bars), picked up some shirts I had made at Milan Suit, then walked from Asoke to Soi 5 for a haircut.
After that, caught a taxi over to Silom and had a drink at Cleo Bar on Patpong 2 next to SOL. I then had a great lunch at Madrid Bar. Walked home.
SOL is open, btw.
Only problems today: The roads in Ratchaprasong are still closed. Silom & Sathorn Rd. still partially closed. Taxis are more expensive due to the necessary detours. Motosi taxis charging twice normal for short trips.
One interesting tidbit. While at the bar this afternoon, the old gal giving me a back massage said, "there are now many ghost in Bangkok as 700 to 800 people die," and "they put body in truck and took them to crocodile farm in Samut Prakan."
Hmmm...
One interesting tidbit. While at the bar this afternoon, the old gal giving me a back massage said, "there are now many ghost in Bangkok as 700 to 800 people die," and "they put body in truck and took them to crocodile farm in Samut Prakan."
Hmmm...
Good report, but that last bit is complete horseshit - just shows you how ignorant these girls are when it comes to Thai news and politics.
I just got back into BKK from a 3+ week stay in Nongbulamphu (Red Territory). Aside from Sky Train and the Subway (Subway is suppose to be in operation Sunday) I felt quite at ease. I noticed a lot of the soldiers in their hammocks on the overhead walkway from the Exchange Building to Asoke BTS where there in the morning but gone when I came back. Outwardly normalcy seems to be returning. A friend and I where in Soi Cowboy early evening Friday night and had a great time. Yes, most places where closed but everyone says they will be in full swing come Sunday. Speaking for myself, why cancel or postpone!
I am scheduled to reach Bangkok on 30 May. Is it safe. I mean arriving from airport to Sukhumvit. Staying there and returning after a week of mongering.
Are there a lot of checkpoints? I would be grateful if anyone who has arrived recently would let me know.
Good report, but that last bit is complete horseshit - just shows you how ignorant these girls are when it comes to Thai news and politics.:)
Oh c'mon. You believe everything you hear and read in the Thai news?
Besides, being Thai, she was a lot more worried about the ghosts of the dead than the dead themselves!
I am scheduled to reach Bangkok on 30 May. Is it safe. I mean arriving from airport to Sukhumvit. Staying there and returning after a week of mongering.
Are there a lot of checkpoints? I would be grateful if anyone who has arrived recently would let me know.
Walked today down Ploen Chit, Chitlom, up to Pratunam, back to Paragon and Hard Rock Cafe. It's possible to walk inside the Ratchaprasong Area. Alot of Tourists there for sightseeing and also Reporter. Still alot of Garbage, some houses were burn down, some banks and Money Change offices had broken windows, ATM were broken up and of course big fire damage at Central World Mall. At Pratunam it looks fine. Cleaners made a good job and maybe at Monday Pratunam Market can start work again. I guess Siam Square will need a few days longer.
All, in all I would say it's save. I guess it's now a good time to come to BKK, though many Bangkok Hookers I saw in Pattaya and of course Change Rate for Euro, Dollar and GBP are still low.
Walked today down Ploen Chit, Chitlom, up to Pratunam, back to Paragon and Hard Rock Cafe. It's possible to walk inside the Ratchaprasong Area. Alot of Tourists there for sightseeing and also Reporter. Still alot of Garbage, some houses were burn down, some banks and Money Change offices had broken windows, ATM were broken up and of course big fire damage at Central World Mall. At Pratunam it looks fine. Cleaners made a good job and maybe at Monday Pratunam Market can start work again. I guess Siam Square will need a few days longer.
All, in all I would say it's save. I guess it's now a good time to come to BKK, though many Bangkok Hookers I saw in Pattaya and of course Change Rate for Euro, Dollar and GBP are still low.How is the Intercontinental Hotel Arcade? Was it damaged heavily? If not, does it look like it will be opening soon?
I am scheduled to reach Bangkok on 30 May. Is it safe. I mean arriving from airport to Sukhumvit. Staying there and returning after a week of mongering.
Are there a lot of checkpoints? I would be grateful if anyone who has arrived recently would let me know.Probably safer than you are at home. :D
Yeah, it's perfectly safe here in Bangkok today, Saturday. A lot of whistles moving cars around the parking lots, a very good sign. Hell I think it's safer today than it has been around here in years. I just hope some wise guy PM doesn't get any stupid ideas about more BKK inner city night-time control bullshit because it actually IS safer and seems much more sane today. Bangkok people are definitely behaving themselves like no other time in recent history.
Just plan on having a great time here.
How is the Intercontinental Hotel Arcade? Was it damaged heavily? If not, does it look like it will be opening soon?
I don't know to be honest. I walked down the road from Sukhumvit until Erawan Shrine, than left along Siam Square up to Pratunam. On the way back it was not more possible to go down the Ratchadamri Street. So, I walked down the Slum North of Central World until Pathum Wan and than up Rama I and down to Hard Rock Cafe. Some Places were damaged. For example one of the Super Rich Money Changer, Central World, a Shop at Corner Henry Dunant and Rama I and a hair dresser shop Siam Square Soi 4, everything else was fine.
Guess it could be opend by middle of next week.
Today Nana was closed, Nana Parking Lot had not much girls available and Thermae were closed and Cowboy only a few bars were open (Dollhouse, Suzi Wrong, etc.) Also, Biergarten were only older Women available. Thanks god, I had some tel numbers and so the night is rescued. ;)
I just returned home (2am) from a party at the Black Pagoda above Patpong 2 (the bar in the sky bridge near Foodland). I stopped in there about 8:15 pm and the owner told me he was "locking the doors" at 9 pm and letting the party run until the curfew ended Sunday morning at 5 am.
I was planning to stay all night but decided the hell with it after being pestered for lady drinks too much, so I walked home. A few soldiers passed me on motorbikes when I crossed Silom Road, and there were some police on my soi, but no one stopped me.
Funny thing, there were a few soldiers partyin' in the bar, too!
Thanks guys for your reports.
I will not cancel my trip.
Bangkok Post indicates the curfew is day to day and for Sunday it is 11p<>5am. Last night seemed quieter than Friday night. Mass transit, both Skytrain and subway, are operating today (Sunday).
No curfew in Pattaya.
NicFrenchy
05-23-10, 03:55
How is the Intercontinental Hotel Arcade? Was it damaged heavily? If not, does it look like it will be opening soon?
You mean that back place before going to Gaysorn? the little shitty excuse of a mall with 3 gem vendors that are always empty?
Wow, I'm surprise someone actually know about this place LOL
Bangkok Post indicates the curfew is day to day and for Sunday it is 11p<>5am. Last night seemed quieter than Friday night. Mass transit, both Skytrain and subway, are operating today (Sunday).
No curfew in Pattaya.
Arrrgh, wtf. It's my last full night in Bangkok and I hoped I could visit some of the late night clubs. That's a pitty.
With MRT and BTS operating I decided to get back into my routine of going to the Madrid for breakie (being an X Spook). Hopped on MRT around 9am at Asoke. Asoke station very quiet but the train had more folks than I expected.
When I got out of the MRT Silom station there was a mass of humanity all over the place. Seems it was clean up Silom day for nearly everyone had a broom, bucket, brushes and where going to town from Rama IV upward. Silom was closed to traffic. Thais, to me, do not pay much attention to details when cleaning but I must say I was impressed in seeing many folks with toothbrushes cleaning phone key pad and anything small.
The military had a small presence on Pat Pong 1 with a few trucks and soldiers standing around. It was a fairly festive atmosphere in the area. Lots of group photo taking. Jenny at Madrid was happy to actually see a live paying customer. Seems they have been feeding a lot of the army folks.
I took BTS back and as it rounded that curve into the Siam Station one could get a fairly good view of Zen/Central World. Really a bloody mess and a shame! The back part, where you could enter from the walkway was, visually, AOK. I am assuming they are referring to this part that they can get back open within 6 months.
Seems we had a similar tour. Though mine starts later. I went at 11 am to Asoke MRT, took the train to Hua Lampong for a sightseeing tour to Chinatown. At 14 am I had a stop at Silom and went to Patpong. I haven't seen any Military at that time. I walked up and down Patpong 2 and 1. Patpong 1 almost empty. Just The Madrid and a Massage Parlour were open. In Patpong 2 was a bit more signe of living. SOL was open and some of the bar beers as well.
I also went by BTS to Siam Square. Also here no Soldiers any more. Just some Police here and there. Alot of Thais were cleaning the area with their brooms. Seems that Bangkok has no professional street cleaning units. Or, they do that to blaime the Red Shirts for the mess.
I went up to Pratunam and Security Staff told Platinum Shopping Center will open again tomorrow. Some stall at Pratunam Market were already back.
No comment :) :
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKsUVtvFDPc&feature=player_embedded
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/24/national/Operation-clean-up-30130031.html
Giotto
I don't know to be honest. I walked down the road from Sukhumvit until Erawan Shrine, than left along Siam Square up to Pratunam. On the way back it was not more possible to go down the Ratchadamri Street. So, I walked down the Slum North of Central World until Pathum Wan and than up Rama I and down to Hard Rock Cafe. Some Places were damaged. For example one of the Super Rich Money Changer, Central World, a Shop at Corner Henry Dunant and Rama I and a hair dresser shop Siam Square Soi 4, everything else was fine.
Guess it could be opend by middle of next week.
Today Nana was closed, Nana Parking Lot had not much girls available and Thermae were closed and Cowboy only a few bars were open (Dollhouse, Suzi Wrong, etc.) Also, Biergarten were only older Women available. Thanks god, I had some tel numbers and so the night is rescued. ;)Thank you, I will check them out today.
Bangkok curfew: Now 12am - 4am through Friday.
Also, keep in mind that this Friday is a big Thai Buddhist holiday, "Visakha Bucha", no sales of alcohol and all bars will be closed.
Here comes another time twisted week.
Oh yeah, for you guys arriving on the late-night flights during the curfew: No problem, just get your taxi downstairs in the arrival hall, not up at departures. Keep your boarding pass and hotel booking info paperwork close at hand. Everything all nice and legal = no worries and no baksheesh. ;)
The news media hasn't reported anything unusual today. Does the curfew extension indicate more trouble (and less available girls) is ahead?
Love Sex 22
05-25-10, 09:13
I will arrive to Bangkok Friday 1 Am. And I am not staying in hotel I have an apartment in Bangkok. Will that be a problem getting a taxi? Or I have to spend few hours in the airport. Any ideas?
I will arrive to Bangkok Friday 1 Am. And I am not staying in hotel I have an apartment in Bangkok. Will that be a problem getting a taxi? Or I have to spend few hours in the airport. Any ideas?No problem, I arrived at 2400 the other day, took a cab to my apartment outside of central Bangkok. No check points at the airport or along the way to my apartment. That being said I would have your ticket and something official with your name and address (I had my maintenance fee) on it.
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I will arrive to Bangkok Friday 1 Am. And I am not staying in hotel I have an apartment in Bangkok. Will that be a problem getting a taxi? Or I have to spend few hours in the airport. Any ideas?Arriving at the airport? Taxis are doing their thing, downstairs arrival hall. Keep your boarding pass with you, keep your bag-tags on your bags. If you are stopped at a checkpoint, a smile, a very quick explanation, and all proof thereof, are all they need. From what I experienced last night, the military aren't really looking at farangs, in fact they seem like they really don't want to be bothered.
Taxi fare: metered taxi fare plus 50 Baht airport surcharge, and expressway fees. You taxi driver should know where the military checkpoints are now and will do his best to avoid them. Welcome back.
Globe Trots
05-25-10, 13:44
Hi guys,
Anyone knows if any of the usual go-go bars, MPs, etc will be open this coming Friday? Have to be in BKK for a short work meeting on Friday morning, and am considering either staying the night or just going for MP in the day. If most of the bars will be closed, any recommendations on where I can get some action then?
Hi guys,
Anyone knows if any of the usual go-go bars, MPs, etc will be open this coming Friday? Have to be in BKK for a short work meeting on Friday morning, and am considering either staying the night or just going for MP in the day. If most of the bars will be closed, any recommendations on where I can get some action then?
It's a Buddhist holiday on Friday, so I'd say most will be closed.
The news media hasn't reported anything unusual today. Does the curfew extension indicate more trouble (and less available girls) is ahead?Curfew means more long times, less chance for the girls to need to go back and pull another guy, and more bargaining power for the guys at about 10:30.
Hi All,
I read where the curfew has been extended to Friday but from 12-4am.
Are there any WG near nana disco or near Grace hotel?
Are there any places where they can be found?
Thanks.
NicFrenchy
05-25-10, 17:02
Beware Getting caught outside in the middle of the curfew can get you in trouble...
Hi All,
I read where the curfew has been extended to Friday but from 12-4am.
Are there any WG near nana disco or near Grace hotel?
Are there any places where they can be found?
Thanks.Funny, umm yeah. There will be many many from noon onwards to 10PM. Just take a stroll from Grace, go on around the corner on Sukhumvit toward Soi 5. Take your pick.
Be off the street for good by midnight though, no joke.
I will arrive to Bangkok Friday 1 Am. And I am not staying in hotel I have an apartment in Bangkok. Will that be a problem getting a taxi? Or I have to spend few hours in the airport. Any ideas?
I just arrived on the United flight from Narita, touched down at 11:10pm, whisked through immigration and customs in less than 20 minutes (hell, the walk from the airplane to immigration took longer than customs). The taxi ride into town was uneventful. The taxi driver told me that there are occasional police checks, but since it was raining, all the cops ran for cover. He said that so long as you are falang *with a passport*, you are ok. He seemed to suggest that you could even purposefully break the curfew (e.g., bar hop) provided you have a foreign passport. I'm not sure how wise that would be though - I am *not* recommending it.
As for the taxi drivers, they get a special permit to be out after the curfew with the express purpose of driving tourists back and forth between the airport and town. He showed it to me - some official piece of paper that he displayed on his dashboard. So the long answer to your question is no, you do not need to hang out at the airport - just take a taxi back to your place and sleep tight.
Pulled onto Suk, and boy it was eery - not a soul in sight, and it was not 10 minutes past midnight. Oh, except for the large, bermuda-clad falang with a cutie on his arm walking back to shag the hell out of her. We drove through soi 11 like a blaze, which at that hour is usually a near impossibility. So it is well and truly dead after midnight here.
But that's best for me - it will give me a chance to rest up properly. This Friday holiday thing is kind of bugging me though...
I just arrived on the United flight from Narita, touched down at 11:10pm, whisked through immigration and customs in less than 20 minutes (hell, the walk from the airplane to immigration took longer than customs). The taxi ride into town was uneventful. The taxi driver told me that there are occasional police checks,
We drove through soi 11 like a blaze, which at that hour is usually a near impossibility. So it is well and truly dead after midnight here.
Given the situation I'm just curious, was it a metered taxi and what was the fare?
Given the situation I'm just curious, was it a metered taxi and what was the fare?
I arrived by taxi on 24th. It was a 'normal' taxi, fare was around THB180, plus I paid toll fees THB25 and THB45.
Given the situation I'm just curious, was it a metered taxi and what was the fare?
Yup, metered, it came to 207 on the meter, plus the regular tolls. There is nothing to fear with respect to arriving in BKK, nothing at all. The only problem is the early bedtime, but I'm guessing that is manageable.
Yup, metered, it came to 207 on the meter, plus the regular tolls. There is nothing to fear with respect to arriving in BKK, nothing at all. The only problem is the early bedtime, but I'm guessing that is manageable.
Yea it's manageable if you have someone or sometwo in bed with you!
Funny, umm yeah. There will be many many from noon onwards to 10PM. Just take a stroll from Grace, go on around the corner on Sukhumvit toward Soi 5. Take your pick.
Be off the street for good by midnight though, no joke.
Thanks Barko appreciate the heads up. I am not used to looking for company that early (b4 10:00pm) but I guess will have to make a slight adjustment.
I would hope closer to 10:00pm negotations are in my favor.
Love Sex 22
05-26-10, 05:32
Thanks guys for the info. I hope Friday will be the last curfew day. Does anyone knows if Bamboo bar soi 3 is open and running? I wonder if they close the doors at curfew and open them at 4 am. Any info about some other late night spots that lock the customers in till 4 am. I suffer from serious insomnia when I come back to Bangkok........
Anyone got info on massage or bars with action near this hotel? Or is there any know action in the hotel...massage extras or friendly's at the bar?
There is one thing that has bothered a lot of people over the last six weeks or so. In watching the crippling six week national paralysis, culminating in a traumatic emotional crackdown, one can't help wonder how it is that the economic infrastructure of the country has remained so remarkably stable. The stock market lost some value, but not anything like what might be expected. And more importantly for falang mongers like us, the Thai currency has remained resolute throughout this period. There was actually a strengthening of the Baht at the midpoint of the conflict, but by the end of the crackdown last week the Baht was back to the expected 32.3-32.5 range to the US dollar. A couple of weeks ago there was some speculation on this board about how that might be - someone suggested that strong-men in the government illicitly control the currency for their own benefit. Well, I found this in a business weekly article about a week before the crack-down (note the subject-verb agreement error in the Japanese currency dealer's quote):
"Losses in the baht may be limited because the central bank controls speculative trading and limits transactions from corporations and investors, according to Tsutomu Soma, a bond and currency dealer at Okasan Securities Co. in Tokyo. The Bank of Thailand sets a daily cap of 300 million baht for trading accounts held by non-residents, such as overseas corporations, funds and banks, for investments in securities and other financial instruments. A similar limit is also set for non-investment accounts.
The authorities way to control speculative trading is working quite well under this kind of conditions, Soma said. Still, this kind of violence is definitely negative for the baht and stocks because that will further damage tourism, which is an important sector for their economy."
Speaking of which, before I left Bangkok for Pattaya this afternoon, I exchanged dollars at a rate of 32.45. In Pattaya, the best rate I have seen is 31.41. That's a remarkable difference.
Speaking of which, before I left Bangkok for Pattaya this afternoon, I exchanged dollars at a rate of 32.45. In Pattaya, the best rate I have seen is 31.41. That's a remarkable difference.The best rates in Bangkok for US notes can always be had at Super Rich.
The commercial banks give different rates for different values of dollar bills, the highest rate given to 100USD bills.
Note also that the exchange rate fluctuates throughout the day -both up and down -with sometimes more than 5 changes during the day.
Up to the minute prices for notes and travellers cheques can be obtained from http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx
Thaksin is no angel, that's true.
He most likely has a hand in fomenting the current situation. However, this is a popular uprising, supported overtly or covertly, by the majority of Thailands people and the current government has ignored this fact at the nations peril.
Thaksin's policies improved the lives of the 33 or so million folks who live outside of BKK and the other main cities (not to mention millions in it!) more than anyone else on the stage. When he was deposed, their quality of life declined in obvious and tangible ways.
The underclass wants a piece of the pie they tasted under him.
You need to get out of the city, Barko, and see how the rest of Thailand is. Eat some fried dung beetles.I wonder if you would write this same report a week later - Taksin no angel has to the understatement of the board. Are you watching the information coming out of this (local media?) or are you plugged into the CNN "Freedom Fighter Story Line?"
Maybe read this blog, might help; written by a Thai
http://www.somtow.org/2010/05/dont-blame-dan-rivers.html
Ice Cream Boyz
05-26-10, 16:37
The best rates in Bangkok for US notes can always be had at Super Rich.Where is Super Rich located? I usually don't go far out of my way in the BKK heat to get a better exchange rate but I'd like to check it out next week.
Fast Eddie 48
05-27-10, 01:26
Where is Super Rich located? I usually don't go far out of my way in the BKK heat to get a better exchange rate but I'd like to check it out next week.To ice cream
Super rich is located at rachadmari are near big see across the st from central world there are 4 location. Rate is a little better than the money changer on sunhumvit area
www.Superrich1965.com/app/location. Aspx
Fast Eddie 48
http://www.thebangkokshoppingguide.com/super_rich_money_exchange_bangkok
Is Levitra available OTC in Bangkok?
http://www.thebangkokshoppingguide.com/super_rich_money_exchange_bangkok
Not all superrich outlets have the same rates. the best published rates are only available in one plaxce. details here:
www.superrich1965.com
just been to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), met a super girl, nice smile friendly but very shy.
good job overall, name p, overall 8/10.
damage 700 tb
there were a lot of girls outside [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), kinda embarassing to go up to them. as soon as they spot a target they all start the 'take me' chant and that makes all others around look at you.
maybe next time i will return when it's dark.
Is Levitra available OTC in Bangkok?Got some last visit at the pharmacy next to the gas station at the nana intersection, can't remember how much but was'nt cheap. Is there a generic version?
Viagra, cialis and all the generics are all easy to get, I don't think theres a pharmacy around upper suk that won't sell them.
Is Levitra available OTC in Bangkok?There is a shop called Surawong Medical Center in Patpong on the little soi that leads to The Wall Street Inn (enter off Surawong Rd). It is on the right, about 20 meters into the soi. They have a little display case in the window that features ED drugs (all flavors). Cheaper if you buy in quantity.
They also do very good physical therapy (the medical type) for injuries!
Since I have not read any recent reports on Bangkok shut down, can I assume that everything is back to normal as of now?
Also, does anyone have any new information on the Airport train? Last I heard, they were making test run to the Airport? Any time frame on when it will be open?
Since I have not read any recent reports on Bangkok shut down, can I assume that everything is back to normal as of now?
Also, does anyone have any new information on the Airport train? Last I heard, they were making test run to the Airport? Any time frame on when it will be open?
Not quite back to normal, curfew is still on from 12:00am-4:00am. Today (Friday) is a holiday so don't expect bars to be open.
Lots of girls on the street but the prices as usual vary, from 1000ST to 3000LT.
I owuld guess closer to 12:00 midnight the prices will be discounted!
KS Pharmacy a few shops from Robinson's/Sukhumvit. Great folks there. My Drug of choice!
Is Levitra available OTC in Bangkok?
Not quite back to normal, curfew is still on from 12:00am-4:00am. Today (Friday) is a holiday so don't expect bars to be open.
Lots of girls on the street but the prices as usual vary, from 1000ST to 3000LT.
I owuld guess closer to 12:00 midnight the prices will be discounted!
Thanks for the info and the quick response. I think I am just going to move my trip to Oct just to be sure. Maybe by that time, the airport train will be up and running.
LittleBigMan
05-28-10, 08:31
Thanks for the info and the quick response. I think I am just going to move my trip to Oct just to be sure. Maybe by that time, the airport train will be up and running.Csun213,
I wouldn't move my trip back just because you want to take a ride on the new train. Although the curfew is still on day by day in Bangkok, I sense in a week or so or when they remove the curfew that the Thailand Tourist Association if not already are making plans with the Airlines to present some pretty good deals so that you would visit LOS in the very near future and not during October. They want your business now! Many of my buddies are already researching prices and waiting for the deals. In my opinion you are going to see some price drops for trip beginning and ending in the 2 month range.
Around a month ago there was a discussing on the board relating to police checking Farangs at the bus station for Viagra etc. I was in Bangkok in the beginning of May and for the first time I saw ventors like the ones selling T-shirts on Sukhumvit selling Viagra, Cialis, etc. Just out in the open, layed out on tables. Maybe this was the reason for the crackdown in bus station and certain location. This was clearly black market to me! I didn't ask the price or partake got mines at the regular place Soi 4, next to gas station also on Sukhumvit near Majestic Suites.
LBM
Pointy Stick
05-28-10, 09:58
Thanks for the info and the quick response. I think I am just going to move my trip to Oct just to be sure. Maybe by that time, the airport train will be up and running.
I thought the same thing - in 2007.
FlyingVisitor
05-28-10, 12:47
Would like to meet a pregnant girl. - I kept my eyes open but without any success so long.-
Has anybody made experience? May be there does exist a special place where to meet them ??
Thanks for advice
FV.
Would like to meet a pregnant girl. - I kept my eyes open but without any success so long.-
Has anybody made experience? May be there does exist a special place where to meet them ??
Thanks for advice
FV.
You could always meet a girl that isn't pregnant and work your own magic. ;)
Took a stroll through Cowboy this evening at 8:50PM. Most everything was shuttered and dark. There was a small bar on the left before/after Deja Vu that was open. Suzie Wong seemed to be operating though I didn't venture in. Perhaps on or two others. Fanny's was undergoing renovations. Maybe 15-20 farang milling about.
I assumed the darkness was due to the curfew until I tried to buy a wine cooler from 7-11 and the door was tied shut. I couldn't read the sign in Thai but did notice that it mentioned midnight 27 to midnight 28 and realized that things may be shuttered due to the Bhuddist holiday today.
Boater Boy
05-28-10, 18:12
Would like to meet a pregnant girl. - I kept my eyes open but without any success so long.-
Has anybody made experience? May be there does exist a special place where to meet them ??
Thanks for advice
FV.
I have seen two at Nana by the carpark in the past, about 4 months ago. They looked as though they were working, however I was on the other side of the road so was not close enough to get approached. I guess they need to work as long as they can. They will for sure be out of action for a little while after they have the baby.
BB
Is Levitra available OTC in Bangkok?
Jgm005
My experience in Bangkok was that availability of OTC for male enhancement drugs or other drugs varied from pharmacy to pharmacy.
If one shop did not stock or would not sell OTC I went down the block and found one that could fulfill my needs.
At one point due to a back injury I needed Codeine for the pain. I had a couple of shops tell me not possible without a doctors prescription.
I went to a pharmacy next to my tailor S/3 Sukhumvit Soi 22, no problem whatever I needed was available.
For location reference the tailors name is Larry's Fashion. Great tailor, I bought 13 shirts from them. One shirt custom made I ordered at 3:oo pm, and was delivered 4 hours later to my hotel. Plus they will negotiate on price.
Anyway hope this helps.
Guido88
Ozztraleearr
05-29-10, 02:28
Since I have not read any recent reports on Bangkok shut down, can I assume that everything is back to normal as of now?
Also, does anyone have any new information on the Airport train? Last I heard, they were making test run to the Airport? Any time frame on when it will be open?I arrived yesterday morning and proceeded to my normal hotel. Nanatai Mansion Sukh, Soi 4. They have some new rooms available which, they have told me. Are available at1100 bt per night. I realise this is not the hotel section but these rooms are really quite nice. With the exception of a lack of hot water in the shower and no real pressure. Wifi also available in rooms.
Went to Morning Night bar around 2pm. Bar was open and beer was being sold. However no whisky available for the lady drinks (note to self. That is a good thing). I asked why they could be open and was told that the police had said no problems if they opened. They were closing up around 6. 30-7. 00 pm.
Many other bars. Especially those with pool tables. Had been open during the day.
I understand that perhaps the curfew will be lifted today?
Anyway. To me. Bangkok is business as usual although not many farangs around!
Cheers to all
A lot of you guys are buying this stuff in pharmacies. I've never bought it for fear of it not being the real thing. Is there any way or any place you can be reasonably sure you're getting the real stuff?
A lot of you guys are buying this stuff in pharmacies. I've never bought it for fear of it not being the real thing. Is there any way or any place you can be reasonably sure you're getting the real stuff?
Allover
My experience buying in Thailand, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia and Mexico is that most of the time I have found that the meds are knock offs from China or India.
Usually they work well, only 1 time have they not done the job. Last purchase in TJ was a waste.
IMHO Try a small piece and see if it works. Keep the receipt and return if the product is lacking. Your mileage may vary......
Guido88
Allover
My experience buying in Thailand, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia and Mexico is that most of the time I have found that the meds are knock offs from China or India.
Usually they work well, only 1 time have they not done the job. Last purchase in TJ was a waste.
IMHO Try a small piece and see if it works. Keep the receipt and return if the product is lacking. Your mileage may vary......
Guido88
I do agree with u. Some day before I was also afraid about these extra stimulation. But now I'm not. To face an extensive sex practice once I fallen in need of something stimulating and I find "Penegra(Made in India) in Soi Buakhao, Pattaya. Surprisingly It found so effective for me and worked for a longer time.
Love Sex 22
05-29-10, 05:43
Arrived to Bangkok 5/28 1 am to Bangkok. The Emigration check was so fast, never seen Bangkok visitors at such low numbers. After customs checks went to first floor the Taxi waiting area. Had to wait about 30 minutes for my turn to get a taxi. The driver got me to my location driving through local roads, didn't see any check points and only few other cars or trucks on the road. Paid him metered 190 baht plus 50 baht air port charge and another 50 baht tip. First impression of Bangkok is almost everything is normal except the curfew that hopefully will be lifted soon.
I find most people proclaim that Super Rich in Big C is the place with the bestrates. A little while ago, someone said Vasu Exchange in Suk near Soi 11 is the best. And more recently, Dinghy posted this website which gives updated rates in Bangkok:
http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx
The problem is the difference between Super Rich and all the others listed on that site is quite significant (e.g., 32.53 at Super Rich, and the next closest is 32.2). That seemed a little suspicious to me.
So here's what I spent my lunch time doing today. I went from one place to the other in super fast order to try to see the rates offered at various exchange places. My results:
Vasu Exchange: 32.50
SuperRich Ratchadamri 32.53
TMB Exchange in Nana BTS station: 32.19
Super Rich in Chit Lom BTS station: 32.29
Siam City Exchange in Siam BTS: 32.22
Exchange in Siam Paragon: 32.19
MBK Exchange (right outside Tokyu Hands): 32.22
TMB in National Stadium BTS: 32.21
So you can see from this pseudo-scientific gathering of data that there is a minor bi-modal distribution in that Vasu and Super Rich (Ratchadamri) are at 32.50 and 32.53 respectively, and all the rest are in the 32.2 region.
Super Rich Big C is not open since Big C is closed, so the Super Rich I went to is one block further on the next soi. I also went to the two others in that little maze there, and the rates were between 32.50 and 32.53.
Bottom line for me, if you are in the Nana area, go to Vasu, the 0.03 difference is not worth the time, money and sweat it takes to get to Super Rich. But if you are in the Chit Lom area, Super Rich Ratchadamri is the place to go.
I find most people proclaim that Super Rich in Big C is the place with the bestrates. A little while ago, someone said Vasu Exchange in Suk near Soi 11 is the best. And more recently, Dinghy posted this website which gives updated rates in Bangkok:
http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx
The problem is the difference between Super Rich and all the others listed on that site is quite significant (e.g., 32.53 at Super Rich, and the next closest is 32.2). That seemed a little suspicious to me.
So here's what I spent my lunch time doing today. I went from one place to the other in super fast order to try to see the rates offered at various exchange places. My results:
Vasu Exchange: 32.50
SuperRich Ratchadamri 32.53
TMB Exchange in Nana BTS station: 32.19
Super Rich in Chit Lom BTS station: 32.29
Siam City Exchange in Siam BTS: 32.22
Exchange in Siam Paragon: 32.19
MBK Exchange (right outside Tokyu Hands): 32.22
TMB in National Stadium BTS: 32.21
So you can see from this pseudo-scientific gathering of data that there is a minor bi-modal distribution in that Vasu and Super Rich (Ratchadamri) are at 32.50 and 32.53 respectively, and all the rest are in the 32.2 region.
Super Rich Big C is not open since Big C is closed, so the Super Rich I went to is one block further on the next soi. I also went to the two others in that little maze there, and the rates were between 32.50 and 32.53.
Bottom line for me, if you are in the Nana area, go to Vasu, the 0.03 difference is not worth the time, money and sweat it takes to get to Super Rich. But if you are in the Chit Lom area, Super Rich Ratchadamri is the place to go.
Hey Kumbu
You could have spent your lunchtime with a girl or 2 instead of chasing from bank to bank in the heat to find out exactly what you could have done from your computer
The web site you quoted http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx
updates every few minutes and would have given you the same answers.
Hey Kumbu
You could have spent your lunchtime with a girl or 2 instead of chasing from bank to bank in the heat to find out exactly what you could have done from your computer
The web site you quoted http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx
updates every few minutes and would have given you the same answers.
Some people might think the mongerers are perverted.
I think the real perverts are those spending hours to save few cents.
To each one his own, no doubt.
But what's the real outcome of the exchange rate survey? Some cents (5?) of a baht. Suppose you change 1000$ you gain 50bahts... You don't even buy yourself a beer with that....
How many are spending 1000$ on each mongering visit (of a week or so)?
Guys, don't take me wrong, but we are there to spend time and money to enjoy ourselves and 50 bahts won't give us more mongering enjoyment :)
I thought that Banks give better exchange rate than money changers. It is that there are more money changers than banks so easier but give less exchange rate than banks. Did I get my information wrong?
Went down to SOL for a slimmers lunch today and should've just turned around and went home. Silom is having a huge sidewalk sale that's bringing thousands into the area. The whole road under the BTS was just jam-packed with bodies - and not in a good way. Even the BTS station was packed - so much so that I only bought a ticket good enough for the next station as I didn't want to stand in the line for the change counter. So while is all safe and sound, I'd recommend avoiding the area for the time being - even you bargain hunters out there; while the goods are cheap and the merchants are doing a good job making up for lost revenue, its just hellish.
SOL BBBJ was all it was meant to be, though.
Went down to SOL for a slimmers lunch today and should've just turned around and went home. Silom is having a huge sidewalk sale that's bringing thousands into the area. The whole road under the BTS was just jam-packed with bodies - and not in a good way. Even the BTS station was packed - so much so that I only bought a ticket good enough for the next station as I didn't want to stand in the line for the change counter. So while is all safe and sound, I'd recommend avoiding the area for the time being - even you bargain hunters out there; while the goods are cheap and the merchants are doing a good job making up for lost revenue, its just hellish.
SOL BBBJ was all it was meant to be, though.The Silom street market ends on Sunday (30/5).
Fast Eddie 48
05-30-10, 05:42
Csun213,
I wouldn't move my trip back just because you want to take a ride on the new train. Although the curfew is still on day by day in Bangkok, I sense in a week or so or when they remove the curfew that the Thailand Tourist Association if not already are making plans with the Airlines to present some pretty good deals so that you would visit LOS in the very near future and not during October. They want your business now! Many of my buddies are already researching prices and waiting for the deals. In my opinion you are going to see some price drops for trip beginning and ending in the 2 month range.
Around a month ago there was a discussing on the board relating to police checking Farangs at the bus station for Viagra etc. I was in Bangkok in the beginning of May and for the first time I saw ventors like the ones selling T-shirts on Sukhumvit selling Viagra, Cialis, etc. Just out in the open, layed out on tables. Maybe this was the reason for the crackdown in bus station and certain location. This was clearly black market to me! I didn't ask the price or partake got mines at the regular place Soi 4, next to gas station also on Sukhumvit near Majestic Suites.
LBMTo LBM
Csun213 have been taking about coming to Bangkok for 2 yr ask alot of questions and never made it here, always making excuse don't he will ever get here maybe he love his wife too much, the poor guy will be stuck in california for ever.
Fast Eddie 48
You could have spent your lunchtime with a girl or 2 instead of chasing from bank to bank in the heat to find out exactly what you could have done from your computerIndeed. But I didn't know that before hand. Now I do.
I think the real perverts are those spending hours to save few cents. An opinion. And there is something to it, despite the hyperbole.
But what's the real outcome of the exchange rate survey? Some cents (5?) of a baht. Suppose you change 1000$ you gain 50bahts... You don't even buy yourself a beer with that....
How many are spending 1000$ on each mongering visit (of a week or so)? Well, some of us change much more than $1000. So if you compare the typical exchange bureau rate of 32.2 with the Super Rich rate of 32.53, and you exchange $10000 (most for work purposes), that comes out to a difference of 2,300 Baht. That can buy you several tasty Thai treats in this town.
My point was that there is indeed a substantial and predictable difference in rates offered at different places, so why not take advantage of it?
Rubberyman
05-30-10, 09:46
My point was that there is indeed a substantial and predictable difference in rates offered at different places, so why not take advantage of it?
Yes indeed.
While I personally would not bother to do this type of research, and frankly don't even understand why someone else would bother either, nonetheless, it provides information that is useful, and without me having to exert myself.
So a genuine thanks for taking the effort.
Also, I am a little puzzled why others would discourage people from doing research and posting it?
There are plenty of things, both hobby wise and money wise that we all could not be bothered doing, but if someone else saves us the trouble, and we can get a bit extra out of it for no extra exertion ourselves, why dump on the guy?
We might think ourselves smart for not bothering about a few cents in the dollar, but it seems to me to be even smarter to let someone else do the work and then get those extra cents in the dollar without personal exertion - if that someone else likes doing that sort of research it is a real win win. ;) Similarly, there is plenty of stuff hobby wise I could not care about nor would I walk across the street to get. Yet other people would get on a plane and go half way round the world for the same experience. If we dump on people then we risk getting really bland FRs - and that will serve us right.
/rant :)
korp khun khrap. :)
In a few weeks, I will arrive at Suvarnabhumi Airport at 08:15 AM. My second flight goes to Manila and departs at 01:05 PM. In between I have some time to spend, but I don't want to do that in the airport.
Are there massage parlors (salons) in the neighbourhood of the airport where I can enjoy ;-) myself for the time I have to wait?
Any information is welcome. Many thanks in advance!
Even the BTS station was packed - so much so that I only bought a ticket good enough for the next station as I didn't want to stand in the line for the change counter.The BTS has several options for beating those change queues (during rush hour, they can be LONG):
http://www.bts.co.th/en/news/promotion_detail.asp?id=139
Promotion for BTS 30-Day SmartPasses
Conditions of use
30-Day SmartPasses valid for 30 days.
Unlimited travel distance for number of trips specified.
5 year card life starts from date of first entry at an Automatic Gate. Cards may be refilled with trips after the first trip has been used, or validity expires, upon promotion as specified by the Company regulations.
Passes are non-refundable.
Adult SmartPasses
New Promotional prices for 30-Day Adult SmartPass, effective 1st May 2010.
15 trips, 345 Baht
23 Baht per trip
25 trips, 550 Baht
22 Baht per trip
35 trips, 735 Baht
21 Baht per trip
45 trips, 900 Baht
20 Baht per trip
Promotion Price
Price excludes 30 Baht issuing fee for a new SmartPass.
OR
http://www.bts.co.th/en/ticket_new.asp
SmartPasses
BTS Sky SmartPass
1. Price 100 Baht.
2. Minimum refill 100 Baht. (Maximum 2,000 Baht)
3. 5 year lifetime form [sic] date of first use.
- Price excludes 30 Baht issuing fee for new SmartPass.
- 30 Baht deposit is not included in value displayed.
Myself, I opted for the 2nd option, mainly because I didn't know about the first. When it ran low, just picked an off hour and added another 500 or 1000 baht on it. Gave me a smile EVERY time I bypassed those change queues, or the people trying to figure out how to use the ticket machines. Just swipe and go. Good for 5 years; all I have to do is remember to bring it with me on my next trip.
In a few weeks, I will arrive at Suvarnabhumi Airport at 08:15 AM. My second flight goes to Manila and departs at 01:05 PM. In between I have some time to spend, but I don't want to do that in the airport.
Are there massage parlors (salons) in the neighbourhood of the airport where I can enjoy ;-) myself for the time I have to wait?
Any information is welcome. Many thanks in advance!
Expensive (straight) Massage Shops are in the airport, this timeframe is too short to leave and go off site.
To LBM
Csun213 have been taking about coming to Bangkok for 2 yr ask alot of questions and never made it here, always making excuse don't he will ever get here maybe he love his wife too much, the poor guy will be stuck in california for ever.
Fast Eddie 48
I will be here in Oct for sure. Booked hotel room and ticket. Had to cancel the last trip because my mom had to go in for Major surgery just before my trip. Of course my trip might still be canceled if my mom does not feel better by that time. There are some things that are more important in life than just going on vacation.
Fast Eddie 48
05-31-10, 03:49
I will be here in Oct for sure. Booked hotel room and ticket. Had to cancel the last trip because my mom had to go in for Major surgery just before my trip. Of course my trip might still be canceled if my mom does not feel better by that time. There are some things that are more important in life than just going on vacation.csun213,
Ok csun hope your mom is better now, maybe you will finally made your virgin trip to Bangkok soon and find out what you have been missing.
Fast Eddie 48
csun213,
Ok csun hope your mom is better now, maybe you will finally made your virgin trip to Bangkok soon and find out what you have been missing.
Fast Eddie 48
Thanks Fast Eddie. She is doing fine right now and hope it will stay that way. I have been trying to go to Thailand for a while now and reading all these reports, doing my research have been making the waiting that much harder.
I was ready to go in April when my mom had to go for a major surgery a month before my trip so I had to cancel. I talked to her doctor and he doesn't seem to see any reason why I can not leave my mom in Oct so that is the plan right now.
I think I know what I am missing by reading all the posts here. It just making waiting 4 months so hard.
Expensive (straight) Massage Shops are in the airport, this timeframe is too short to leave and go off site.
it is not a mission impossible but most MP are opening late in the morning in town
Expensive (straight) Massage Shops are in the airport, this timeframe is too short to leave and go off site.
What about the Novotel airport hotel? Anybody tried the in-house massage for extras or is this the "(straight)" massage RM is refering to?
i made a run though nep last night. it was, as might be expected, less busy than in the past, but it wasn't too bad. i got there a little late because of some work i had to attend to. i stopped in at the starbuck's across the road to the sound of catcalls from the throngs of sws.
ordered my short americano, triple shot and drank it up in a hurry and trotted across the street. my first stop was mandarin, the one on the left where you walk up the stairs. to my surprise, it was totally packed. lots of customers, lots of girls, just bustling at top speed. i know the mama san here, and she came over and grabbed me and hugged me. we sat down and she started with the stories of hardship, and how all the girls, herself included, have starved for the last six weeks. i think not, but that's what she said. she asked if i see anyone i like, i looked around and truly did not, but here's the run down anyway.
mandarin has two shifts of dancers. shift a is the young schoolgirls. all these girls are probably sub-25, small, slim, and decidedly unvoluptuous. they are dressed in plaid school-girl skirts and white school-girl shirts, with ked-style shoes, many of them with twirly, girly paraphernalia in their hair. i must say there were some very, very cute girls in this bunch, more than i remember from three months ago. if i were not such a monster for flesh, i would have taken a couple of these cute spinners, so you guys who like 'em thin, you might think about heading over there.
shift b is more to my taste in that these are the women (as opposed to shift a who are the girls). they are dressed in short shorts, skimpy bikini tops (if anything), straps on their legs, and high heels. they are generally taller girls, often in their mid-twenties, some older. but again these girls were too skinny for me i need a little somethin' to hang on to. mama san left me to drum up some business, and a few minutes later she sent over a couple of girls she thought would suit my taste. nada, not even a stirring of little kumbu. so i politely told them i am only here for the beer, and i would return later in the week to talk. they were a little pushy, but they accepted this and skulked away.
paid up, gave my hugs to mama san, and left. a while back i posted a review of rainbow 4, and in that report i totally skewered the place. i wrote about the complete lack of talent there, the crappy drink they served me (watered down cola), the super pushy mama sans, waitresses and dancers. i was so harsh in my review that a couple of you members of the isg protested, saying i had been too tough on them. so on the basis of these protests, i decided to give them a second shot.
in i went, and my first impression was that there was far, far more talent on display this time. they have two stages, and each had something like 15 dancers up there, plus a further 15-20 or so sitting around the club. so fifty girls ain't bad.
i was placed in a booth, and i ordered a cola let's see what it's like this time. to my surprise, they brought me a can this time a big improvement over the watered down shyte they served me last time. ok, so i settled in for the main attraction.
as the time passed, i saw at least 15 girls who were totally bf worthy. yeah, i know!? wtf, this was a total revelation for me. i started to note down their numbers, thinking it was still early and i wanted to be sure about the one i finally invest my lady drink in. that was my mistake. as i mentally noted down their numbers, they were snatched up just as fast by over-eager customers. i spied one hell of a looker someone that just bowled me over in an instant, and as i was motioning to the waitress to get her over to me, she was snatched up by this filthy, dirty, smelly, ugly japanese guy. actually, he was none of those things, but he stole my girl so this is how i treat him.
so i lost three girls in a row in this manner, which just deflated me. i sat there for 40 minutes or so and watched as the on-stage crowd thinned from the original 50 down to 30 or so. it was like watching beer drain from a keg at a frat party.
meanwhile, some lady came around and tried to get me to buy her a drink. i don't know what the deal was here she was not a dancer, nor a mama san, nor a waitress. i guess she was a hostess, but she was dressed in everyday street clothes (!). she came over and without so much as a hello motioned with her thumb-into-mouth that she wanted a drink. this was followed by the frowny face, indicating she is very unhappy and a drink would help her. i said no. she repeated. i said no. she said something that i could not hear over the music, so i said whaaaaaat? and she repeated an equally unintelligible sentence. so i said no. she said something again, and i said, umm...no. she pointed to my drink, which was 60% full and indicated that i should buy another drink, and i said no. she came and sat down next to me:
hostess: why you no buy drink?
kumbu: i have one already.
hostess: why you no buy another drink? you stay here too long.
kumbu: you want me to leave?
hostess: (frightened by the prospect of scaring off a customer) no, no, no, but you buy drink, stay happy.
kumbu: no.
she finally got the message and left with an overly loud huff (just so i know what a bad man i am), but jeez, what a hassle. so in the end, i was there an hour and i paid nothing but the cost of a single cola, which was 140b. in retrospect, that is pretty cheap of me.
next i went over to angelwitch, which had its show going. there were some good looking girls there, but not that many girls overall (maybe 15?). met a senior isg member, a stand up gentleman with whom i shared some beers the next day, plus some hunting. more on that later. over to spanky's and they had their regular show too, and again i didn't see anything i really fancied.
it was now 11:30pm, so i grabbed something to eat, washed down with a nice americano, and i trotted over to climax. i was hesitant to go there on a sat night it is usually a sardine can on fri and sat nights, but i thought it might not be so busy on this, the first night after the curfew.
arriving at a little past midnight, it was just the right amount of people there. it did get busier later, between 1am and 2am, but not really as bad as i remember. there were some pretty girls around, and as i walked through the line of girls at the front, a couple touched my arm and gave me the 'come hither' smile. i ignored them and went around scoping out the talent.
as fortune would have it, i bumped into a girl who i had met a year ago, and she remembered me. she is a wild thing she slaps a lot. she laughs and slaps and pokes and giggles, but she is one sexy little thing. she had put on a little weight, which is just fine with kumbu, in fact, it's a win-win situation. it meant there was more for me to grab, and that she was low on self-esteem fat girls always are. so i decided she would be the focus of kumbu's perversions tonight. she worked me for drinks, which i supplied, and i worked her for physical contact, which she supplied in plentiful sums. as the night wore on, we found a little corner where i sat down on a stool with my back to the wall and there began the most almighty crotch grinding. i have never had my crotch ground like this in public before.
she had put on a little weight, mostly on her butt, which meant she had a couple of delectable lobes with which to work. so she basically engulfed my erect penis though my slacks with her two buttocks and started to butt-squeeze. right there in climax. yes, she was butt-wanking me, both of us fully clothed, and with hundreds of watching eyes. as i sat back and enjoyed the goggled, envious eyes of the several males around, and the goggled, hypocritically disgusted eyes of the girls around, i realized this is why alcohol exists to loosen women up to the point where they do shit like this.
10 minutes of this and i had to pull back for fear of creaming myself, at which point we bailed quickly. as i walked out being led by her, my erection was painfully visible, but fuck, have these people never seen this before?
so we get back to the hotel, and i offer her some water, which she refuses. i try to warn her about the hangover that will follow, but she dismisses me. so we start talking. she tells me about her mother who sometimes stays with her, but when she does, the mother brings a boyfriend with her. and that pisses my girl off. i asked her why, and she says it's because when the boyfriend is around, she can't sleep naked because he's always around. i told her not to worry she can sleep naked tonight. boom, and we were off to the races.
desperate, frantic kissing pulling off of her one-piece dress bra hook popping panties stuck around ankles kumbu's jeans pulled off shirt tanked around neck and we found ourselves in the shower. i lathered her up, and i marveled at her ass. large, round, and totally un-thai like. i washed it, and then washed it again, and then to be sure, i washed it again. meanwhile she washed little kumbu, screaming at the length, not noticing the normality of girth. truth be told, i was not really aware of what she was saying or doing, i was busy lathering, washing and re-lathering those round mounds of fun. once we had sufficiently washed pieces of each other, i dropped to my knees took a large, plentiful mouthful of her pussy. ooh, a little acrid still, perhaps another rinse my dear?
she sensed this, pulled me up to my feet, and told me to step off. so i got out, dried off, and went in search of some kamagra, given the lateness of the hour. a few moments later she was naked and in my bed with me all over her.
i'm going to skip the details of the sex this time it was rather anticlimactic. she turned out to be a far better public performer than private. she wasn't bad, just not the feverish experience i was expecting. she was, as expected, very shy about her ass, which was too bad since that was the whole reason she was in my bed. and that just was a little bit of a downer.
so it lasted perhaps 30 minutes 20 minutes or so of kissing, groping and the like, followed by a few minutes fumbling for trojan's, and then the actual sex was over within 6-7 minutes. not sure if she came or not, i was so fatigued i was really just eager to sleep at this point. so i ended in a rather uninspiring orgasm, she held me as the chi left me, and we lay there recovering for 2-3 minutes. i went to shower first, and then her, and then we slept.
in the morning i gave her 1000baht and she was happy. she said it would help sooth the splitting hangover she has. see? you should have had the water last night like i told you. kumbu knows best.
Traveler1234
05-31-10, 13:41
In a few weeks, I will arrive at Suvarnabhumi Airport at 08:15 AM. My second flight goes to Manila and departs at 01:05 PM. In between I have some time to spend, but I don't want to do that in the airport.
Are there massage parlors (salons) in the neighbourhood of the airport where I can enjoy ;-) myself for the time I have to wait?
You can try to email Annies or Mango and see if they can arrange to get a girl for you; as long as you're willing to pay for transport and extra service.
What about the Novotel airport hotel? Anybody tried the in-house massage for extras or is this the "(straight)" massage RM is refering to?
The massage shops are IN the airport. Novotel seems kinda pricey for a ST romp that may or may not pan out. Personally I'd wait until I arrive in Manila (to enjoy) than risk missing my connecting flight. Those four to five hour layovers don't always turn out to be as advertised when you factor in variables like late flight arrivals, the time needed to check out and back into immigration, traffic, and good old Murphy's Law.
Poopsicle Joe
05-31-10, 14:38
In a few weeks, I will arrive at Suvarnabhumi Airport at 08:15 AM. My second flight goes to Manila and departs at 01:05 PM. In between I have some time to spend, but I don't want to do that in the airport.
Are there massage parlors (salons) in the neighbourhood of the airport where I can enjoy ;-) myself for the time I have to wait?
Any information is welcome. Many thanks in advance!This one is about a 15 minute drive from the airport:
http://www.agoda.com/asia/thailand/bangkok/thong_ta_resort_spa.html
They offer inroom massages. Managed to score some extra services last time I was there, YMMV though.
do you know what the prices are?
- how much for a 2 hours stay in a room?
- how much for the massage?
- how much for the extra services?
this one is about a 15 minute drive from the airport:
http://www.agoda.com/asia/thailand/bangkok/thong_ta_resort_spa.html
they offer inroom massages. managed to score some extra services last time i was there, ymmv though.
In a few weeks, I will arrive at Suvarnabhumi Airport at 08:15 AM. My second flight goes to Manila and departs at 01:05 PM. In between I have some time to spend, but I don't want to do that in the airport.
Are there massage parlors (salons) in the neighbourhood of the airport where I can enjoy ;-) myself for the time I have to wait?
Any information is welcome. Many thanks in advance!
I tried to PM you, but you don't receive PMs. You will be very lucky to clear immigration by 09:15. (How about your luggage?) If you leave the transit area, you will need to allow AT LEAST 2 hours to check back in. Exiting thru Thai immigration can take an hour and --depending on which airline you are flying -- you can count on 45 minutes to an hour for check. That means being back at Suvarnapumi by 11:00 AM.
So, you have one hour and 45 minutes. You'd be crazy to leave the airport, even to the Novotel. RELAX and get a foot massage inside the transit area.
What about the Novotel airport hotel? Anybody tried the in-house massage for extras or is this the "(straight)" massage RM is refering to?Maybe not pertinent for those just hoping to spend a few daytime hours at the Novotel hotel spa/massage, but one hotel booking site with reviews had a woman write (in a complaining tone) about the men and *****s hanging around the Novotel bar/lobby at night.
So I booked it right away.
Sleepy Floyd
06-01-10, 21:18
So, with the obvious decline in punter numbers due to recent events, have the girls the bars changed their demands for ST and LT prices? Looking for a recent perspective on how much we should be paying
So, with the obvious decline in punter numbers due to recent events, have the girls the bars changed their demands for ST and LT prices? Looking for a recent perspective on how much we should be payingprobably more than before so they catch up for the lost business... rule of Thai economy!
Does anyone know if a good portion of the girls at G-Spot in Nana are post-op ladyboys?
They sure look like it.
On Sat night I met a fellow ISG member in Angelwitch and we agreed to get together on Sunday. So we met for a great dinner at a place, followed by a stroll back down Suk. Stopped in for some coffee at Starbucks and we chatted and got acquainted. A stand-up fellow my hat is off to you sir. Having not asked for his persmission to discuss his activities, let's call him Oscar.
Rainbow 4. So we make our first foray into the jungle of NEP. I wanted to go back to Rainbow 4 to look for that cutie who was snapped up by the fat, smelly, ugly, dumb-ass guy the other night. We got there and we both scoured the stage for her, to no avail. In the meantime, we were scoping the other possibilities. There were maybe 30 girls on stage, most very, very attractive. The quality is definitely high here, although we both got the sense that the attitude is also high here.
Oscar asks a waitress if the girl I am looking for is here, and she scuttles away. A few moments later she appears with my cutie in tow. What luck! There she is! So we start to chat. 26, Isaan, 1 baby, 7 months old, been here 4 months, but in BKK 3 years. Funny, she didn't look as cute in person as she did the night before, so I was having second thoughts. But Oscar, my man, stepped in and took over the situation. He said to her 'what's your phone number? He'll call you tomorrow during the day and you can go to his hotel.' To my surprise, she did not hesitate and out came the number. Oscar heard it once and it was in his head boom. So off she went to dance, I pulled out my phone and he recited the number back to me. Cool.
Lollipop. We bailed and went to Lollipop, which was a place I had been to in Feb. Back then, when I went in there, it was rocking, and I was accosted by two girls. One of them immediately took my hand and slipped it into her bra. The other girl, not to be outdone, took my hand and slipped it onto her bare vagina, helping me fondle her. Nice. And Oscar wanted to see what that was all about. But when we got in, the place was dead. There were around 15-20 girls, few good looking ones. We sat down, and eventually one girl stood out for me a cute, light skinned, high-cheek-boned girl. She found her way to me, and we did the normal thing: Chiang Mai, 22, no children, been here 3 yrs, no like BKK, etc. Again, Oscar got her to give us her number, and we took the number and split. This man has magic.
Mandarin. We went in and mama san was happy to see us. Some morons were tossing ping pong balls like bread crumbs at pigeons. Eventually Oscar finds a real cutie small, slim, beautiful face, large natural tits, with a verve about her. I was not interested in anyone, so I just dabbled in the ass of some girl while my wingman did his thing. Things didn't work out between them, so we bailed. It was almost midnight now, so we walked over to Climax, details of which are in the next report.
Gogoing the NEP wayGood to hear Rainbow 4 is back in gear. There'd been a lot of reports saying it was going downhill, or even that there weren't any cuties there these days. One from you, even, if I remember correctly.
Dig your reports cuz I always feel I can get a sense of how good the place is these days, and what it's really like -- where most just jot down a few comments shorthand style so there's no way to tell. Hooray for description and details. Also tend to trust your sense of taste (tho haven't ever actually seen what you'd call an 8).
Have you been to the new (old) Liquid (Nana) disco? Would be interesting to read Kumbu Does Liquid. Reports I've seen have been very uneven, as far as the quality of the place itself goes. The disco that used to be there, at least in its good old days, was a must-see kinda place. I wouldn't go every night, but at least once or twice a week. Most here only got to see it after it had already tanked, so had a very neg impression of it. But in its day, it was something. It was the epicenter for the FL scene.
Ozztraleearr
06-03-10, 03:32
So, with the obvious decline in punter numbers due to recent events, have the girls the bars changed their demands for ST and LT prices? Looking for a recent perspective on how much we should be payingI just spent two nights in Bangkok and I tend to spend my time in beer bars particularly Morning Night. I spoke to one old favourite and she was holding firm on her price- quoting 2k short time. I didn't try and press for a lower price. She further suggested it was the same price for all the girls.organisation perhaps?
OT - I'm landing into Bangkok around 11pm on the 12 June. Will anywhere be staying open to show the England USA WC game?
Think it's 1.30am KO?
Have you been to the new (old) Liquid (Nana) disco? Would be interesting to read Kumbu Does Liquid. Reports I've seen have been very uneven, as far as the quality of the place itself goes. The disco that used to be there, at least in its good old days, was a must-see kinda place. I wouldn't go every night, but at least once or twice a week. Most here only got to see it after it had already tanked, so had a very neg impression of it. But in its day, it was something. It was the epicenter for the FL scene.
Just got back from BKK and went to Liquid one time. There were plenty of girls but the band was lip syncing popular songs recorded by another Thai band. Comical to say the least, irritating after a while. Stayed for two drinks and then left.
Would be interesting to read Kumbu Does Liquid.Went to Nana Liquid last night (Wed), as per your request. I shall write up the report and post later today. Just as a teaser, I hooked up big time, but my impressions of the disco are mixed. But I'll give you the blow-by-blow later today.
I just spent two nights in Bangkok and I tend to spend my time in beer bars particularly Morning Night. I spoke to one old favourite and she was holding firm on her price- quoting 2k short time. I didn't try and press for a lower price. She further suggested it was the same price for all the girls.organisation perhaps?
I think 2k ST has been standard pricing on Soi 4 beer bars for the last 4 or so years 3k LT. I can't see girls changing prices.
Last month I had a girl from Soi 7 beer garden complain to me guys were asking 500 baht ST when that didn't even cover her drinks bill for the day. Don't know if any of the girls actually will go for 500 baht maybe some do?
I think 2k ST has been standard pricing on Soi 4 beer bars for the last 4 or so years 3k LT. I can't see girls changing prices.
Yep, most of the good looking girls are getting 2k ST regurally. Prices can come down to 1.5-1k but you got to be a really smooth negotiator and the chick has to be in a good mood. Lately, I noticed lots of these girls won't do bbbj. So not worth it at 2k ST!
This is the second part of a report from Sunday night (I'm still working on my report from Wed night at Nana Liquid, should follow soon).
In part 1, my wingman Oscar and I hit some gogo bars in NEP, and failing to find suitable company, we headed over to Climax, circa midnight. We got a table near the entrance and watched as the cuties walked in. There was one girl wearing a tight white t-shirt and short jean shorts that caught my eye. She kept giving me the look from across the room, but I played it patiently. My wingman was doing the same thing making eye contact, and then playing it cool for a while. There were loads of girls to be had, that's for sure.
Eventually, Oscar went to the other side of the room in search of someone, and found someone. He came back and got me, so we moved over there. This girl was one hell of a cutie, but she had two of the ugliest friends I have ever seen. And she tried to get me to dance with them. I quickly gave them some story of how I was waiting for someone, and I heard the cutie say to her friend 'kohok'. He's a liar. Indeed I am, and your friend is a fatty.
So I walk back to the front and I see that cute girl in tight white shirt. I make my move, and we hook up. We go over to the side of the club and she starts to grind her ass into little kumbu. Thank goodness for jeans, coz otherwise there would have been a mess. She was small, cute, tight, and bouncy in all the right places. She had dark skin, large, large eyes, and breasts that poked out in the right direction. Her ass was small, but round, and certainly Kumbu-worthy.
10 minutes and one lady drink later, she had her arms around me and we were on the verge of kissing when some girl comes up and starts yakking at her in a very angry way. Uh-oh, this can't be good.
Then to my surprise, this other girl turns to me and says:
Angry girl: You remember <name>?
Kumbu: huh?
Angry girl: You remember <name>?
Kumbu: ummm....huh?
Angry girl: Well, <name> remember YOU. And she down there looking at you.
Kumbu: Umm...whaaa?
So angry girl grabs my hand and drags me off to talk with this other girl. As we approach, I see this other girl, and I recognize her from a previous encounter. We had had several great nights together and stayed in touch by email for a while, until I broke it off a few months earlier. But apparently this other girl had not figured out that by me breaking it off, it meant that I am still allowed to see other people. It does not mean that I will be celibate for the rest of my life. Anyway, she was very angry, but more than angry, she seemed to be genuinely hurt. I think part of it was that this happened in front of all her friends, and so she was humiliated. All the girls were looking at me like I was a monster how could you DO this to her? They surrounded me (six girls tsking me in the middle of Climax) and each took their verbal pot shots at me.
I tried talking, but within seconds I realized I was in a losing battle, so I cut my losses and said goodbye to the gang of angry women. I walked back to where my little pretty was waiting and explained things to her. She said ok, everything is cool, and we picked up our dancing. But pretty soon her friend comes over, they talk, and then my cutie turns to me and says she has to go with her friend now. I asked her for her phone number, and she said she does not have a phone number. Message received. So I walked away.
I went back to our table in the foulest mood you could imagine. Girl after girl tried to pick me up, and I was just not in the mood. I mean literally, three girls, one after the other, came over and started to rub their butts against my crotch. What normal man would say no to that, right? But I did, one after the other. Until finally I relented and took a small, cute, thin girl with good English skills. Oscar meanwhile had hooked up with someone else (not the original cutie), so we were both good for the night.
I took my girl back to the hotel, showered, and we had an average, uninspired event. I was kind of down over the whole incident at Climax, and this girl was not skilled enough to overcome that. So the sex is not worth reporting on. We slept and awoke at 11am, had a morning boom-boom, which was quick and to the point, after which I gave her 1500B and asked her to leave. I don't think I will see her again.
The point of this report, then, is this. The girls in Climax are a mix of professionals, semi-professionals, and non-professionals. I made the mistake of picking up a non-professional, and the mistake came back and bit me in the ass over a year later. I think Climax is now a no-go for me. I think I will move to Spicy and Bossy in the future.
I went hunting around Nana the other night and after an hour of trawling the streets and coming up with nothing right as I went to get in a taxi I saw a bright smile and some bright skin and a set of knockers to die for. She made eye contact and introduced herself properly. I was surprised as usually the street girls around Nana do not typically do that. We talked on the street for a moment as it was clear we made a connection. We hoped in a taxi to go and do the deed. She was 32, from Chiang Mai and came down every few months to make a little extra money. She was professional, aimed to please and moaned to the heavens as I gave it to her. Great experience and worth the 1000 baht. And to my surprise she had silicone breasts. I didnt even know until she told me as the deed was finished.
Showdown
Asian Flava
06-03-10, 15:52
I went hunting around Nana the other night and after an hour of trawling the streets and coming up with nothing right as I went to get in a taxi I saw a bright smile and some bright skin and a set of knockers to die for. She made eye contact and introduced herself properly. I was surprised as usually the street girls around Nana do not typically do that. We talked on the street for a moment as it was clear we made a connection. We hoped in a taxi to go and do the deed. She was 32, from Chiang Mai and came down every few months to make a little extra money. She was professional, aimed to please and moaned to the heavens as I gave it to her. Great experience and worth the 1000 baht. And to my surprise she had silicone breasts. I didnt even know until she told me as the deed was finished.
ShowdownVery nice Showdown. I'll be passing through Bangkok from Singapore on next couple weeks. Do you have her contact details? Seems like my type. Thanks.
AF
Fast Eddie 48
06-03-10, 16:33
OT - I'm landing into Bangkok around 11pm on the 12 June. Will anywhere be staying open to show the England USA WC game?
Think it's 1.30am KO?Goatboy,
Most sport bar and club closed at 2 am why can you get a hotel room and watch it on TV ,it should be on star sport or espn.
Fast eddie 48
Yep, most of the good looking girls are getting 2k ST regurally. Prices can come down to 1.5-1k but you got to be a really smooth negotiator and the chick has to be in a good mood. Lately, I noticed lots of these girls won't do bbbj. So not worth it at 2k ST!I know this info is a bit dated, but during Aug-Oct 2009, I was paying 2000LT for girls at Queens Park Plaza on Soi 22, and BBBJ was never a problem. Might be worth a shot for the guys who like the beer bars to take a quick trip there to check it out. Might take a bit of barhopping but you will generally find some decent looking ladies. BTW, barfine was generally 300 baht.
Member #4351
06-03-10, 18:33
They sure don΄t look like silicon to me. She had a great surgeon, or she was B.S. ing you.
Goatboy,
Most sport bar and club closed at 2 am why can you get a hotel room and watch it on TV ,it should be on star sport or espn.
Fast eddie 48Watch England vs. USA in a hotel room on your own? Perhaps with a mug of cocoa?
You're obviously not a big soccer fan!
I'll be in Pattaya and faced with the same problem, but I bet I can find a sports bar that is either open or has a lock-in.
Watch England vs. USA in a hotel room on your own? Perhaps with a mug of cocoa?
You're obviously not a big soccer fan!
I'll be in Pattaya and faced with the same problem, but I bet I can find a sports bar that is either open or has a lock-in.
Plenty of small bars in Pattaya open 24/7.
They sure don΄t look like silicon to me. She had a great surgeon, or she was B.S. ing you.
I was seeing a girl with fake tits in bkk, they go in through the armpits. use a crease in the the armpit so no scars.
It looks like rain the German guy said to me, looking out the bus window as we cruised up from Pattaya to Bangkok. He gives me a grimaced smile and says in the most exquisitely stereotypical German accent: Not goot for zi ffuckking.
I wondered how he would think it looks like rain as there was not a cloud in the sky, so I chalked it up to delirious, fuck-frenzied madness on my European monger's part. We pulled into On Nut at around 3pm, and I caught the BTS back to Nana, saying my goodbyes to the German. I was exhausted. Night after night of intense exertions is not good for a man of my gentle disposition. But what is one to do when biology calls?
I got into my room, showered to wash the grime of the bus off me, and then crashed for a good 2 hours. The plan tonight was simple: gogo for a while, then Nana Liquid for a long-awaited scouting trip, and if that flops, then off to Bossy. Climax is strictly a no-go-zone now since my last event, but I suspect I will not miss it too much.
I awoke at 7pm to the sound of thunderous, lashing rain. Damn, our German knows his weather. I drank up a little soy milk to get some carbs into me, hit the gym for 45 minutes waiting for the rain to subside. The prescient German was dead right zi rain iz nott goot for zi ffuckking.
The thunderous rain did indeed subside, and so I walked out into the humid sprinkles of soi 11. Grabbed some dinner at an Indian place on soi 11. Not terribly good, but it got the naan and spices into me, so I was ready for some coffee. But by now it was late, just past 10pm. That damned Starbuck's on soi 5 closes at 10pm (what a puritanical hour to close, no?), so I decided to forgo the caffeine ritual and make my way directly to Soi Cowboy.
Arrived at around 10:20pm on a Wed night. The soi itself was easier than normal to walk through as all the 'wey-o-coooome' girls were hiding under shelter from the rain, shouting their calls from afar. I pondered where to go, and before I knew it I was at the end of the soi. Baccara it is.
In I walked, and the place was reasonably full. The seats were mostly full, and there were at least 25 girls on stage, all bikini clad. I don't go upstairs here those girls don't appeal to me. So I found a corner and hid my pretty self away from the prodding eyes of mama sans and over-eager dancers.
There were, as I say, 25 girls on stage, and a further 15 or so in the other shift sitting around or working the crowd. Of the girls on stage, I saw lots of sexy legs, to be honest. That is the first prerequisite for Mr. Kumbu no gotta da leggy, no getta da boom-boom. Of these sexy legs, four of them belonged to a pair of girls that got Kumbu's blood pressure up a few points. Kumbu switched into leopard-on-the-hunt mode complete and utter attention on one girl, then the next. The first girl was a superb physical specimen long, slender, curvy legs beneath a full set of hips, a slender waist and non-existent breasts. Her face was the coup d'grace sweet, childish, pouty. She had an expression on her face that said 'you want a piece of me?', and that was kind of alluring. But the downsides were plentiful:
(i) She was doing the gogo one-step: step forward with the left leg, fall back onto the right leg, and repeat ad nauseum.
(ii) She had fixed, unwaivering eye contact with the most beautiful person in the entire club herself. She was looking at herself in the mirror and without even a moment of waivering, she held that eye gaze for the entire time I was watching her. That's the death blow, and so the leopard turned his attention to the other gazelle on the savanna.
Girl #2 was even more to my taste. She had large, curvy, well-toned legs exactly the shape and size that makes old Kumbu doubt the absence of a god. Superb, nay, spectacular legs they were, the kind that a tired man can be sure will pep up even the most deflated of moments. These legs were not beauty in isolation, no no my friends, they were sitting upon a set of hips that harbored a very delectable bum-bum. It was more plentiful than girl #1, and seemed really very spry. Her waist was tight and fantastically toned, and her breasts were, well, who cares about breasts really.
But two things beyond her legs stood out for me. First, her face was gorgeous. Very different from girl #1 this one had a long, darker face. Her skin was not particularly dark, but her hair was straight, long and fell right down the side of her face. The length of her face, coupled with the size (large) and deepness of her eyes made for a sophisticated, elegant kind of beauty (not the pouty childish beauty of girl #1). This girl is something else just stunning. The second thing that got old Kumbu's motor running was her movements. She was not doing the generic gogo dance. She was undulating, smiling, joking around with her friends, teasing them, and just looking like a happy, well-centered person. I can't tell you how attractive that is. She seemed like a fun person to be with someone who would joke with you, poke you, and then fuck your brains out. And at the end, give you a kiss like she meant it. Girl #1 would require high maintenance, girl #2 would maintain your high.
Watching all of this come together, it was enough to cause Kumbu's right eyebrow to rise independently of the other. Hmm, that does not happen often...it must be a sign. But I was in a quandary here. My plan was to make a run at Nana Liquid, and given my propensity for inactivity, if I pounded this pretty Magnolia, even if it were the shortest of short time, I could forget Nana Liquid.
As I pondered my dilemma, I had somehow made eye contact with Magnolia. And fuck, it was the most exhilarating eye contact in a long time. As eye contact was made, I felt a spurt of adrenaline shoot right into my crotch. She was just awesome. Whooa, Kumbu, rein it in a little.
So I smile at her, and she giggles and starts telling her friends about me in a childish, playful kind of way. I decided I needed to put an end to this. I could not buy her a drink because that would take a long time and effort, so I decided to place a holder on this one. I called the waitress over, paid up my bill, and gave her 100B to give to the effervescent beauty. I told the waitress to tell her I would be back to see her tomorrow.
Next up: Suzie Wong's. I walked in, and this place is much different from Baccara. The latter is bright, clean, bouncy, glitzy, full of Japanese, Korean and Chinese customers (as well as white guys and actually, plenty of brown guys). Suzie Wong's seemed to be a white guy kind of place.
There were 7 girls on stage, fully nude (other than stockings and stuff, but all the important bits were there for viewing). The girls were not particularly attractive many were heavy, some were mis-shappen. One girl had a huge set of ass cheeks which seemed very pot-marked. Not good at all.
I sat there and watched for 10 minutes until the shift changed, when a new set of 7 girls arrived. These girls were actually significantly better. Of the total 15 or so girls in there then, there were 2 that were potentially BF worthy. I looked them over, but did not get the vibe from them. Also, there was a weird odor in that place which made me think twice about hygiene. I know, there is no connection between the club odor and the girls pussy hygiene, but still.
As I watched, I was actually more interested in the clientθle at this place. There were six or seven guys around the place, all older than 40yrs, all white, and all alone. Interesting. Then in walked Captain Piccard. He was a gentleman in his sixties, bald like Piccard, wearing a stunning white shirt and formal dress slacks. He walked in like a gentleman, very sophisticated. He didn't even sit down, he stood at the edge of the dance floor and sipped his gin tonic while chatting with the waitresses. He just seemed like the epitome of cool, but maybe that was just because he looked like the Captain of the Enterprise.
Mama san comes over to me and in a raspy, growly voice asks if I want to take any of her daughters. Excuse me? Turns out that is how she refers to them. I politely declined, and took this new attention as a sign to bail, which I did.
Next was Dollhouse. There were perhaps 25-30 girls in here with around 3 customers. Shit, you have to feel for these poor girls there is nothing happening for them these days. I saw several very pretty girls here, but none of them really struck the cord like Magnolia in Bacarra.
Some young pup, maybe in his mid-twenties, decided to be the big man and bought all the girls a drink. I.e., he bought a bottle of whiskey and the loud horn went off. I'm struggling with the psychology of this, to be honest. He spent circa 1000Baht on the whiskey, presumably (maybe 1500?). He spreads that around to all the girls, and then? What exactly does that do for him? Does it make him feel like an important man? That he made these girls respect him? Does he think that they think well of him? I guess it makes him feel like he has the full attention of 30 beautiful girls, and for a moment he is the center of everyone's attention, and that must be something that floats this guy's boat. I know he is not the only one like this, I just don't understand it (yet), and I would like to. If anyone can help me figure out what this is about, I'd appreciate it.
One girl began to peak my interest. She had a fantastic face, I mean truly model like. She was tall, strong, sexy legs, and was dancing like she meant it. She had all the right ingredients, and she was looking me over too, so all was going well, until she flicked her hair off her breasts to reveal two ginormous sacks of silicone. The price is WRONG Bob. Paid up and took off.
It was now 11:30pm, too early for Nana Liquid, and I was both hungry and coffee-deprived. So I made my way back down Suk towards soi 11 where I know this 24 hour place that serves real coffee (i.e., not Nescafe). As I walked down, there were a dozen or so girls lining the Suk awaiting customers. I got several 'I go wij joo', and even one 'I do anyting you like.' Outside Thermae there was a large crowd of girls, I lean literally 30 girls, all wearing skin tight one-piece dresses, looking around for customers. I'm not a Thermae kind of guy, and so I don't have much experience with this, but I have walked past here many times, and I have never seen so many available workers at one time.
i went to my regular joint on soi 11 and ordered a plate of fries and a coke light. i know, i know, the fries will wreck havoc on my girlish figure, but i was planning on dancing the night away. ate up, got an americano chaser, and off i go to nana liquid. time of arrival was 1am.
so nana liquid is in the nana hotel, opposite the nep. the girls stand outside the hotel, you have to either walk past them to get to the hotel entrance, or you can enter through their direct entrance which is around 100 meters further down the soi (i.e., walk 100 meters away from suk past the nana hotel sign and the gaggle of girls in front of it, and there is a huge neon sign to your right saying nana liquid). if you walk in through the hotel lobby, there is no problem no one looks at you like the pervert that you are, just walk straight through towards the thumping music.
so i walk in and the lighting is not too bad it isn't too dark or too light. i find climax to be a little dark, and i find places like cm2 to be too light. this place is somewhere in between. you can see halfway across the club, no problem, and you can make out facial features as well as things like skin tone and age-estimations in this light.
the club itself is quite small i would say nothing like bossy or spicey. it has an odd, long shape. if you enter through the hotel lobby entrance, you are at, say, the north end, and at the south end is the direct street entrance as well as a couple of pool tables. in between is a stage and a small dance floor, but the rest of the club is peppered with cocktail style tables. the arrangement is pretty good, imho.
when i walked in, the club was about half full. it wasn't disappointing, but not overwhelming either. there were plenty of guys there, and plenty of available girls at that hour. i grabbed a drink at the bar at the entrance. there is no cover charge, and i guess there is no drink minimum since no one forced me to buy a drink, but i could be wrong on the last point. a vodka tonic (and other similar spirits) cost 160b, and was a little less watered down than at climax (which is basically water with a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) sprinkle of vodka). i *think* beers go for 140b, which is better than climax (180).
i got my drink and, putting my scout hat on, i decided to go walk-about. i wandered through the tables shamelessly looking at the girls. i am usually a much shyer person than this, but for some reason when i tell myself i am doing reconnaissance, i allow myself to be bolder in my visual inspections. so i looked each girl over a couple of times as i walked amongst them. here are my impressions of the women, the men and the couples in the club.
women
my first impression was that they are all working women none of this mixed use crap. that is, in climax, you often get 'real' girls who are out for a good time and who might end up with some falang for some sex and extra cash. my sense of it at first was that the girls here are not that. which, for me, is a good thing. however, i was soon proven incorrect (see below). there was a good mix of women in terms of ages and looks. there were about 5-7 young, pretty things, the kind that you see in movies and stuff. there were another 10 or so mid-twenty girls who were sexy and certainly worthy of a romp. and then there were another 10 or so women who did nothing for me. so overall, there were more good looking girls than bad, which is quite a positive appraisal, i must say.
men
the men are very mixed, far more so than climax, even more so than bossy or spicey. at climax, you get predominantly white guys, with some ethnics thrown in for good measure. at bossy and spicey, you get a good mix of ethnicities, but still the dominant ethnicity (at least in my opinion) is white. here at nana, at least on this night, there was such a mix that i could not really say any one ethnicity dominated. furthermore, amongst the white guys, there was a lot of variation, both in terms of age and overall appearance. some were shabby and slobbish, others were prim and proper. some were young and energetic, others were old and sedate. so it's very eclectic.
couples
i was surprised to see so many guys walk in with their girls. for the first hour i was there, around 50% of the guys who walked in were with some other girl. not sure what this is about, but you should be careful to pick a girl who is not with some guy. seems like there is the potential for confusion here.
so i wandered through the people for 2-3 minutes, spying one hell of a cute young girl. she was wearing a tight, white halter top, short jean shorts, and had frilly semi-permed long hair. she looked 21-22 years old, and was shapely and cute as hell. she and i started to make eye contact, but i was here to observe first, and only later pick up. so i decided to play it cool and found a table in the back of the club where i had a good view.
the band and music
i concur with drogue that the band sucks. in my opinion, the best band at any of these clubs is climax they have two bands, each very good. they often play songs i don't care for (e.g., thai love songs), but they are genuinely talented musicians who play well together. spasso has a crappy band, and cm2 has an even worse band. nana liquid, sadly, possesses the worst of all the bands in that they don't do their own music. in a sense that makes it a little easier to listen to, but it is annoying nonetheless. but as bad as the band is, the dj is even worse. he had this technique that was the most horrific example of idiocy i have heard in many years he would often end his songs with a whirring, high-pitched screech of sorts, like a guitar screaming at top pitch, and it would last 10-15 seconds. i guess he thought it was a great finale, but it did two things: (i) everyone stopped dancing, coz you can't dance to a single high-pitched screech, and (ii) it bust everyone's ear drums out. literally, when this happened, everyone grimaced, and most people put their fingers in their ears. so expect the worse musical experience you can imagine.
as bad as the music is, i honestly don't go to these places for music. so on to what i observed.
i sat down in the back, and right in front of me were three cute girls having themselves a great old time. they were in their mid-twenties, all cute, all slim, and all bouncy. girl 1 had fake red hair, dressed in a frilly white dress. girl 2 was skinny and was wearing black. she had a very attractive face. and girl 3 was the sourest of the three. she seemed the most introverted and the least fun.
about 5 minutes after i sat down, girl 2 turns around and starts to peek at me. i decided i would ignore this as best i could since i did not want to get roped in so early i needed to stay unattached as long as i could so i could then be free to make my own choice. so i didn't make eye contact, being careful to keep my head looking in a different direction from her at all times.
she peeked around several times over the next 10 minutes, and i managed to ignore it all quite well. in the meantime, i noticed a super sexy girl to my right. i noticed her when she strode past me towards the bar behind me and i noticed she had a mean case of bucktooth. her upper teeth poked out over her lower lips and there was nothing she could do to hide this. yikes. but fuck me, everything else about her was superb! she was wearing a skin-tight pink halter-top. the only thing better than a pink halter top is a teal halter top i am a total sucker for teal halter-tops, not sure why. but pink is great too. she too was wearing tight jean shorts, revealing athletic, sexy, shapely legs. furthermore, her booty looked very bouncable in those shorts, so things were looking good. she was perhaps 24 years old or so, and she was with a friend who looked 27 or so. her friend was skinny and slim, which ordinarily is ok for me, but i preferred the pink halter top girl by far. and she liked me too she was looking over a lot. groovy.
meanwhile, i noticed an elderly white guy holding a beer in his hand hanging around uncomfortably. he seemed like an affluent american/european looking for a good time. but he seemed a little awkward, and i felt for him. nonetheless, i was pretty sure he would hook up tonight. i also saw several indian guys, a couple of arabs, several pretty ugly looking european guys (not that europeans are ugly, just these guys were, no offense to anyone). my point is simply that there was variety, and i think most of these guys would/could hook up tonight.
so i started to make eye contact with halter-top girl, and she did the same. it was those quick, sly conspicuous glances, you know, the subtle teasing and flirting that is so fucking fun. we did this for a good ten minutes, until finally girl 2 from in front of me decided enough is enough and turned around and waved at me. damn it.
she says something which i can't hear, so i have to go over and talk with them.
2: you alone?
k: i'm waiting for a friend.
2: your wife?
k: no...my friend.
2. hahahaha. i'm ppi.
k: hi ppi, i'm <name>. nice to meet you.
i then shook each girls hand. girl 1 laughed loud and happily, and girl 3 squirmed when i shook her hand. so i said to ppi 'she looks unhappy to meet me.' at this point i knew the plan was for the girls to push girl 3 on to me. that has always been my luck if there is a group of girls that eye me, the ugliest of the lot ends up being foisted upon me. i was not going to be played like that, so i decided to be forthright:
k: nice to meet you. i'm going to wait over here now for my friend.
and i retreated to my table and sat down. that was that. awkward situation avoided. they continued to peek around at me for the next 20 minutes, but nothing came of it, thankfully.
so i looked back at halter-top and there she was, watching this all play out. and now she was very interested why did he reject three beautiful girls?? and he's still looking this way...???
meanwhile, this indian guy, perhaps 45 years old, 5'6, 180 pounds, baseball cap, cheesy moustache, shades (in a night club!), arrives near halter-top and her friend. he grabs the table next to them and gets himself a beer. suddenly he turns to them and snaps his fingers at them. yes, i kid you not, this is how he got their attention snapping his fingers. he then gestured to them to join him, and to my incredulity, they agreed. in america, such behavior would be greeted with cold drink to crotch, but there was nothing wrong with it here. and furthermore, the girls were now dancing with this guy. hmm.
i had mixed feelings at this point. halter top was dancing with this guy, who not to seem arrogant or conceited, was not quite in my league. i had 10 years on him, a better muscle-to-fat ratio, an infinitely less amount of ill-placed facial hair, no baseball cap, and no shades. but they were with this guy now, having a good old time. so i was a little uneasy with my girl's standards. however, on the bright side, this says a great deal about your chances if you decide to hit nana liquid. i think just about *anyone* can hook up here, you just need to be patient and pick the right targets.
so on the one hand, we had ugly indian guy making good progress with two cuties off to the right, but then we had awkward, elderly, affluent american guy putzing around right in front of me. suddenly, he makes his move towards the three girls in front of me, and to my surprise, he targets girl 3 the most introverted girl, the least friendly and the least attractive. he goes over, raises his beer, and motions towards dancing. she stops moving entirely, unable to respond, and then looks at her friends for help. she did not know what to do, and her friends were a little surprised too. after 10 awkward seconds, the girl shakes her head and waves her hands at him, indicating clearly 'no.' wow, shot down.
so these girls were not here as regular workers they were here for a good time. they were three friends who decided to have a wild time in nana, and were looking to hook up with someone their own age, and not an older guy looking for sex. unfortunate for elderly american, but he picked wrong. it became clear a few moments later when the three girls paid one of those camera guys to take a picture of the three of them in front of their drinks. they were clearly celebrating something, so they were the wrong ones for elderly american to target, and i am so glad i didn't fall for their advances.
to his credit, elderly american did not storm out or give up he stuck around and putzed around for a lot longer than i did, so good on him.
meanwhile, to my right, ugly indian guy was now in a huddle with the two pretty girls. he had his arms around both of them like an nfl huddle, obviously making a proposal to them. suddenly both girls balked loudly, followed by raucous laughter. what else could it be other than a proposal for a three some, right? they clearly did not like this idea, and to cut a long story short, they eventually broke off from ugly indian guy. i am sure he eventually hooked up - that's just the kind of place this is.
meanwhile the time was now 2am and the place was around 70% full. later on at around 2:40am, there was a definite wave of girls who came into the club, so if you want a quick pick up, i would wait until 2am before you come in. wait for the rush of girls and pick the one you want. but i kind of enjoy arriving a little early and watching girls for a couple of hours. anyway.
as all of this was happening, a waiter brought over a cute little thing and placed her drink on my table. she had long dark hair (what else?), was about 5'1, looked around 45kg, and seemed very tasty indeed. she had a typical udon thani look. not sure how to describe this, but several girls i have seen over the years from udon thani have this kind of look. anyway, she was wearing jeans and...a teal halter top. damn! i am a sucker for teal halter tops she one-upped the pink halter top. so suddenly pink halter top was out of the picture (despite having dropped ugly indian guy), and teal halter-top was at the top of my list. and she was right next to me too. so i welcome her to my table by lifting my drink, and we clink drinks. she smiles at me with big puppy dog eyes and sips her bacardi breezer orange.
pink halter top notices this, and starts to get agitated. she makes an aggressive move towards the bar and comes right past me, slowing in front of my table, making full, long, enjoyable eye contact. i'm right here big boy, come and get me.
but teal halter top was catching my fancy. meanwhile, there was a line of girls forming behind me by the bar. literally, they lined up in front of the bar dancing, all dressed very provocatively, all obviously available. all you have to do is walk in, take a look at the line up and make your move. by 2:30-2:40 or so, there were plenty of girls, many worth taking home, some not.
so at around 2:45 i decided enough is enough and i made my move for teal halter top. arrived from isaan 4 days ago to see her sister, who is sick. she was supposed to meet her sister at liquid, but she was unable to come, so she is alone now. mmm-hmm, i believe that. she used to have a boyfriend from california, had him for 4 years, then broke up, and now have been without boyfriend for 2 years. age: 25 years. we danced for 20 minutes, progressively getting more and more physical, until she reaches up and plants an open, wet, sloppy kiss on my lips. yikes, a little much there, but ok.
i eventually ask her for her phone number, and she says why you no want to go with me? and i said up to you. i know how the thai play things, and this worked beautifully. so we take a taxi back to the hotel, and when we get into the hotel the wet sloppy kissing continues. we do this for 10 minutes until i manage to get her to take a shower. she wants to shower together, but i prefer to shower myself. so she goes first, then me, and then we get down to business.
we start with some very, very, very dfk not particularly comfortable for me, but she really seemed to want it. i managed to break away from her mouth and go down to kissing her neck, then her breasts. this was partly because i wanted to explore her body, and partly to get away from the displeasure of the dfk. she was very sensitive around the breasts and moaned and groaned as i suckled them. they were not huge, but fleshy enough to be enjoyable. her nipples were small, a dark pink, and very well shaped.
i work my way down to her hips and ask permission for daty, to which she agreed. her pussy was spectacular it was a beautiful hue of pink, very, very healthy looking. it just looked like strawberry pudding, you know, pink and colorful and very inviting. she was clean, although not entirely without odor. but we did this for a good 15 minutes before she came, and she gently lifted my head from between her legs.
we waited a few moments (literally 30 seconds), and she gently but firmly shoved my head back down between her legs. ok. so i performed for her once more, and this time she came within 7 minutes. she then says to me i want you to tuk-tuk me.
sorry? what? never heard that one before, but i know what you mean. who am i to withhold a good tuk-tuking from a lady who asks for it?
my trojan-covered kumbu began the tuk-tukking very gently, because it is non-lubricated and so i have to let her own juices engulf the condom before it will slip easily. so it was slow going for a while, but before long, the tuk-tukking was happening at a break-neck pace. i tukked and she tukked and we each tukked each other.
she came once, but i was having trouble coming. i think this every-day ejaculation thing is making orgasm harder to get to. so my staying power has increased significantly over the last 10 days or so. but i tuk-tukked her for a really long time i was sweating and out of breath. we tried a couple of different positions, even doggie, and it just wasn't happening. finally, in cg, the deed was done. the orgasm was more relief than pleasure in fact, the pleasure was minimal, it was more painful and overly sensitive. anyway.
we then showered and slept, and the time at this point was 6am. fuck. i'm supposed to be at work at noon. i awoke at noon with a big red zit on my nose. shit.
i showered again, changed while she showered, and then when she got out (me fully dressed for work), she says me horny and she drops her towel to reveal her fresh, clean naked body.
kumbu, being the man-servant that he is, obliged the lady. i sucked her pussy another two times, and then sexed the lady for a good long time, until we finally both finished. it was now 1:30pm, and work was pretty much shot for the day. but i ditched her and told her we might hook up tonight, although i don't think my dick can handle it.
anyway, she's going back to isaan on sunday, so i think that is that. good while it lasted, but i don't think i could do her every night she would just wear me out. paid her 1500baht on the way out and she seemed perfectly happy with that.
so, my overall evaluation of nana liquid is positive, with some reservations. i think there are plenty of girls on display here, of that there is no doubt. furthermore, the girls here are more reliably pick-up-able, despite how the elderly american bombed out. that was just bad luck, and had he targeted 95% of the other girls, he would have been sexxed out before he knew it. the quality of girls is, well, so-so overall. there are definitely some lookers in there, but of the 50 or so girls in there, perhaps four were worthy of my time and money. but the good news is that i could probably have had any of those four, had i picked them. in the end, the one that i picked was worth my time and money, and for that i am grateful. i would say liquid is worth adding to your inventory of clubs. climax, bossy, spicey, and now liquid, are the regular set of clubs i will visit (cm2 is not for me, nor is spasso, and rca is not for mongering).
I spoke to one old favourite and she was holding firm on her price- quoting 2k short time. I didn't try and press for a lower price. She further suggested it was the same price for all the girls.organisation perhaps?
Well, I got 1.5k at a Nana gogo a couple of days ago.
"Tammai farang chorp puying tua lek?" she asked me. Why do foreigners like spinners?
Fast Eddie 48
06-04-10, 06:08
Watch England vs. USA in a hotel room on your own? Perhaps with a mug of cocoa?
You're obviously not a big soccer fan!
I'll be in Pattaya and faced with the same problem, but I bet I can find a sports bar that is either open or has a lock-in.Mouse,
Yes I am not a Soccer guy too boring for us American, I am a NFL and NHL fan, I like to pick up a hottie at the bar and have a One on One in my hotel room instead.
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Fast Eddie 48
It was now 11:30pm, too early for Nana Liquid. Kumbu, fantastic reports. Lots of information as well as a good story.
Just one question: I appreciate that prime time for Nana Liquid will be 2am onwards, but unfortunately I like to be tucked up in bed by then... What time does Liquid open, and would it be worth going there before midnight, in your opinion?
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