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It took me some time to realise that the BKK thread is new. Some more adventures. Soi Cowboy is an interesting place. My first stop was Long gun. There was a show going on with girls shooting dildos out of their pussies. Then balloons were placed and the girls burst them using darts. I didn't realise at once how it was done and kept looking around and asking myself, "Who is this git who's bursting these balloons? ' Then I realised. Marvellous what a pussy can do these days.
My second port of call was Living Dolls. And wowo aren't they just. I settled down for a drink, smiled at this lovely Isaan girl. In no time she sat next to me and we were chatting. Lovely character, lovely smile, a wee chubby but a solid looking body, built to last. In no time I dar fined her (600B) andf took her long time (2000B). Money definitely spent well. She was awesome and we had a rocking good time. In the morning I bought her breakfast, chatted some more and parted.
Killing Time: That same day I decided to change city. I wanted to try some place new. I booked a ticket to Chiang Mai by train. I heeded my agent's advice and set off early, BKK being new to me. BTS and metro took me to the train station in no time at all. I was early and so had a stroll. By chance I hit upon Cleopatra. I entered, looked at my watch to see whewther I had time. Just about. I choose my girl (there are three levels-1000B, 1200B, 1500B) and proceeded to go to the room. The room was clean and ok by me. Problem was that she couldn't speak English. We had great sex even though the conversation was lost in translation.
CONS: this was a real quickie. In normal circumstances I wouls taken a longer time.
PROS: I felt clean, comfortable and suitably drained before a 14hr train journey.
Cheers and take care
Taka
Next stop. ChiangMai
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I'm visiting BKK in a few weeks and looking for places that compare to Cafe Foto in Sao Paulo or Blacks in Buenos Aires. Does anyone have pointers? How about other outlets for model quality ladies?
Thanks.
I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advance
I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advanceJust spent a night in Hua Hin and there are several bars with plenty of girls in the Th Punsuk area. Not as Pattaya and BKK, much smaller. Just walk around in the evening, impossible to miss. The quality though is not always too good (like in Pattaya and BKK). But you can find some good ones, and it is buyers market. Just sat down in one of the smaller ones and a took a nice one who offerd LT for 1500B+300 BF. You may get it for 1000 if you bargin. But was well worth it.
Will post more about it when I get time.
With all the recent talk about Eden. I decided I would post my recent visit last Saturday.
I arrived at Eden about 2:30PM, even before entering the club I noticed women outside that were much more the 5 - 6 sixes in my book. So I went in quite happy about the selection already. The Mamasan asked if I had been here but before I replied no, but have been there once before. She gave me the menu and explained everything. A line up was called, but I did not see some of the women I saw out side, maybe it was because I did not wait long enough or just chose to quickly. I chose Ying and she chose Bips or something like that. They led me to some of the newer/remodel rooms which were quite a change from my last visit. I won’t bore anyone with details, but the girls will make sure YOU are completely satisfied! Even after my session, I saw different women come and go that I would not have a problem being seen in any type of environment.
Make no mistake about Eden. You will get and attractive woman that will satisfy you completely! Eden is not a hit or miss. You want it? Most likely you will get it there. Unlike the girl I took out from Rainbow 4, that just wanted to lay there. Next time I may have to try the take out service.
I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advanceHua Hin Sucks, Big Time
ThaiLearner
09-03-07, 13:58
With all the recent talk about Eden. I decided I would post my recent visit last Saturday.
I arrived at Eden about 2:30PM, even before entering the club I noticed women outside that were much more the 5 - 6 sixes in my book. So I went in quite happy about the selection already. The Mamasan asked if I had been here but before I replied no, but have been there once before. She gave me the menu and explained everything. A line up was called, but I did not see some of the women I saw out side, maybe it was because I did not wait long enough or just chose to quickly. I chose Ying and she chose Bips or something like that. They led me to some of the newer/remodel rooms which were quite a change from my last visit. I won’t bore anyone with details, but the girls will make sure YOU are completely satisfied! Even after my session, I saw different women come and go that I would not have a problem being seen in any type of environment.
Make no mistake about Eden. You will get and attractive woman that will satisfy you completely! Eden is not a hit or miss. You want it? Most likely you will get it there. Unlike the girl I took out from Rainbow 4, that just wanted to lay there. Next time I may have to try the take out service.
What time does Edens open
SlimHoleDrill
09-03-07, 14:30
Looks like all the 2007 posts before 9-1-07 are now in the 2006 Bangkok reports. FYI
AsiaTraveler2
09-03-07, 14:33
I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advance
FlyJets,
Use the search function and select display as reports. The correct spelling is Hua Hin and you will find some reports. Not a lot, but there are some.
AT2
Evil Penivel
09-03-07, 16:16
what time does edens open
it officially opens at 1.00 p.m., but the girls start arriving at about 12.30 p.m. and there are usually a few punters in place by 12.45 p.m., ready to select their ladies. for the largest possible choice, get there at 12.45 p.m. but even that is no guarantee you'll get to see every lady. the regular cutomers will often come in at 12.30 p.m. and say, "i'll take bo and peep as soon as they arrive." they know which ladies they want in advance and don't care about seeing a line up. so you may not get the chance to see bo and peep because they are already busy. like any establishment, the girls deemed most attractive are the first to go.
that i believe is one of the sources of the conflicting reports and opinions about the appearance of the eden ladies. some visitors to eden, because of timing and bad luck, never got the opportunity to see the eden "a" team.
with all the recent talk about eden. i decided i would post my recent visit last saturday.
a line up was called, but i did not see some of the women i saw out side, maybe it was because i did not wait long enough or just chose to quickly. .
the most likely explanation is that they had been booked in advance and were awaiting the arrival of a customer. another possibility is that were eden girls on their days off who'd dropped by for a few minutes to chat with friends. or maybe they didn't work at eden, but were friends or relatives of girls who do.
good report and i'm glad you enjoyed your eden session.
evil
NicFrenchy
09-03-07, 19:06
I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advanceWell you didn't try very hard then.
Below is what took me 2 minutes to find with the Search option:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=579086&postcount=836
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=558730&postcount=801
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=555716&postcount=798
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=555716&postcount=798
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=555366&postcount=796
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=553904&postcount=793
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=553254&postcount=786
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=553253&postcount=785
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=542336&postcount=776
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=542309&postcount=773
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=537140&postcount=765
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=536751&postcount=762
ThaiLearner
09-03-07, 20:53
it officially opens at 1.00 p.m., but the girls start arriving at about 12.30 p.m. and there are usually a few punters in place by 12.45 p.m., ready to select their ladies. for the largest possible choice, get there at 12.45 p.m. but even that is no guarantee you'll get to see every lady. the regular cutomers will often come in at 12.30 p.m. and say, "i'll take bo and peep as soon as they arrive." they know which ladies they want in advance and don't care about seeing a line up. so you may not get the chance to see bo and peep because they are already busy. like any establishment, the girls deemed most attractive are the first to go.
that i believe is one of the sources of the conflicting reports and opinions about the appearance of the eden ladies. some visitors to eden, because of timing and bad luck, never got the opportunity to see the eden "a" team.
the most likely explanation is that they had been booked in advance and were awaiting the arrival of a customer. another possibility is that were eden girls on their days off who'd dropped by for a few minutes to chat with friends. or maybe they didn't work at eden, but were friends or relatives of girls who do.
good report and i'm glad you enjoyed your eden session.
evil
thanks for that, i have been before and like quite a few of the girls in the line up. will be back on my next visit.
Some visitors to Eden, because of timing and bad luck, never got the opportunity to see the Eden "A" team.
Evil
Can someone pls provide us with any photo, JUST ONE, of this elusive 'A' team that I am so missing out on.
I thought we all agreed on the Fight Thread that the girls at Eden would not be considered 'stunners'. Noone is doubting their service.
Why do we still have to hear of this fantasy 'A' team that would stop all the mongerers in the past from leaving the place in the past?
There is no 'A' team so stop this bullshit. It is only 'A' in the sense it is one step above JUNK!! (those in financial mkts would understand the joke)
*And pls don't correct me by saying its 2 steps above junk. I know that, but the joke works better as 1 step.
Long Time Boy
09-04-07, 06:35
Hit Soi Cowboy last Wednesday and it's still rocking. Not much new, although Apache's new layout means less chance of a grope and more ladies drinks. Rawhide and Long Gun are still good although the crowds make it bit hard to get a seat and some attention.
The biggies Shark, Baccarra and so on have good selection semi nudity and a wholesome Macdonald's version of what I really like. Suzie Wongs have this ridiculous stick on pasty thinkg for the girls. They are cute alright and welcoming and the sitkcy thingks just annoy me. SpiceGirls looked worth a visit and I'll be back, have to love the almost school uniforms they sort of wear.
What I like is on-site grope both ways and a bit of contact fun. It is available at Toy, Cactus and of course Afterskool. Moonshine was the lucky winner on the night. One really lost looking off-the-bus Issan really caught my eye. Shy, not much English and a smile which lit the room, no wonder they call it the Land of Smiles. Well we start some sort of communication and up comes Miss Experience, she's cute and pretty so let's go the double. It's all touching and feeling. The shy one kisses like GFE in make-up sex and the pretty one is so wet she's almost dripping onto the floor. Tequila shots from four tits, now that's what I call fun. My dick is getting as much attention as their tits, mouths, pussies and arse. I am in heaven.
Anyone have any ideas for this anywhere else in Bangkok?
They have their own room upstairs 700B with bar fine. Shy girl wants 1000B, Pretty won't budge on 1500B. Stupid me gets all high and might and settles for Shy Girl only, after all she is the better kisser. The rest is pretty standard and a lot of fun.
Keep Rootin 'n' Reportin
LTB
Hello! what happened to the rest of the posts in bangkok thread? There are not many posts for 2007 as there where for '06 and '05.
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Hi,
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2185
Thanks,
Jackson
I am sitting here down the street from the Nana and its 4am, so here are my last of my ramblings regarding my first trip to Thailand
Did the rounds when I returned from Pattaya this morning, beer bars, go-go's, etc. Because I am on overload with the music/noise, wound up at the Golden Bar just outside the Nana Hotel. Picked a cutie out of the parking lot at about 1am and had a great 1 hour session. I am back on the street. Just can't sleep knowing I will be flying out in a few hours.
Stopped and checked out the Club Eden. It was not anything special with respect to the available line-up. What may have had something to do with my deciding to pass was the earlier post about "warts."
Do all Thai girls pick their noses in public? Just an odd observation. I saw so many of them picking their noses in public. They would then, in full view of everyone else, dispose of the contents in the most ingenious ways (I told you this would be my last ramblings).
Billpsu, Nosepicking is the national past time. Look around and you'll see some men that have normal fingernails, except for one extremely long pinky nail. They use them for nose picking and ear cleaning.
Does Bangkok have any place like girls in an aquarium which we can choose the girls for LT? I am not referring to MPs but something similar to the ones in Hatyai where we can go in and scan and book the girls for LT instead of picking them up at bars. Hate those girl drinks and bar fines.
NicFrenchy
09-05-07, 10:43
Does Bangkok have any place like girls in an aquarium which we can choose the girls for LT? I am not referring to MPs but something similar to the ones in Hatyai where we can go in and scan and book the girls for LT instead of picking them up at bars. Hate those girl drinks and bar fines.Good question. I have never heard of this type of setting Before.
You can always go to a MP (soapy with Fishbowl) and buy the girl out for the night, I am sure they will accept (prepare for a hefty fee then).
I would still suggest to have a drink with the girl at your table once she joins you from the Fishbowl, just to see if you 2 get along fine, that way you minimize the risk of a starfish.
You might want to try also the Very upsace gentlemen's club like Champagne.
Evil Penivel
09-05-07, 12:23
Can someone pls provide us with any photo, JUST ONE, of this elusive 'A' team that I am so missing out on.
I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. Pla and Wa of Eden Club (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182)
You can find more at
Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023)
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil
ThaiLearner
09-05-07, 15:09
I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. Pla and Wa of Eden Club (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182)
You can find more at
Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023)
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil
Both are very nice in my book do you have pictures of any others?
I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. Pla and Wa of Eden Club (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182)
You can find more at
Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023)
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil
I would take Wa and Pla any day over the hundreds of others whose pictures are posted here. They ARE good lookin'.
SlimHoleDrill
09-05-07, 17:48
I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. Pla and Wa of Eden Club (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182)
You can find more at
Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023)
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
EvilEvil,
Great, these would definitely make my team. A, B who cares, these look very nice and obviously have attitude to go with it.
Guys, it's OK not to like Eden. Keeps the crowds down. To each his own -- remember "own" can be plural too!
Slim
I've just had a look at the ladies available through escort agencies in Bangkok. Such as 'BKK141' and 'Oh Yes Massage & Escort'. And I was a little stunned by how attractive some of these ladies are.
Nicha at BKK141 is a real beauty and apparently she does anal too. Which is a real surprise considering the fact that most women less attractive than she is don't spread their asses for the guys.
Jane at BKK141 is another beauty I'd probably fall in love with as soon as she walks in through the door. And apparently she is pretty good in bed too according to the ratings she received from her customers.
Aum at 'Oh Yes Massage & Escort' is another beauty I'd love to be with.
These ladies certainly cost a lot more than the regular massage ladies. But just for the one time experience with a real beauty who is good in bed, I certainly would be willing to shell out some money.
I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. Pla and Wa of Eden Club (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182)
You can find more at
Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023)
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil
I think Wa and Pla will be very much in demand...
When I visited last year, I got one girl whose name was something like "bee". Do you know her.? She was a wonderful smiling little doll, with nice narural mid size breasts anda very soft clkear skin, and a smile to make a monk jerk.
I woild have LT her if I had time..
Just curious to know if she is still there, in anticipatuion of my next visit.
And, BTW, just ignore all those grumpy jealous guys who always criticize and never contrbbute...
LittleBigMan
09-05-07, 21:51
If you live in Thailand you can't help but to pick your nose! Outside of the cities those little flies that come all over you that go into your nose, ear, mouth, eye, etc.. they drive you crazy! Some joke and call them ding dong flies.
I myself have become a good nose picker, when they go in you got to deal with it right there and then no manner who see it.
LBM
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil
Why, so you can whack off to it? I know the quality I am fucking and if you don't believe that there are some of us who can do so so much better than those 2 girls (who are a 5 and 6.5 in my book being generous) then you are a sad man.
SidTheSexist
09-06-07, 06:12
Why, so you can whack off to it? I know the quality I am fucking and if you don't believe that there are some of us who can do so so much better than those 2 girls (who are a 5 and 6.5 in my book being generous) then you are a sad man.HK Dog, So what the fuck are you doing in this forum if you do not want to share.
And as for your life being my fantasy, I dont think so. Every post you write, makes it all the more clear that you are the real sad one!!
Fuck Off!!!
Sid
I am providing a service to those readers who are misled by false statements by certain individuals such as a mysterious 'A' team that most people will not have access to.
Can you find any false statements I made that need corrected? If not, take your foul mouth off this thread.
You need to read the Bkk Escorts thread where escorts have been discussed in detail. Don't be surprised if the girls on those sites don't even work there and if they do, they not provide the services being advertised like anal. The bait and switch technique is a popular one with escort services. As many others have said before, if there is ever a place where a regular Joe/Bloke don't need escorts services it is in Bangkok.
I've just had a look at the ladies available through escort agencies in Bangkok. Such as 'BKK141' and 'Oh Yes Massage & Escort'. And I was a little stunned by how attractive some of these ladies are.
Nicha at BKK141 is a real beauty and apparently she does anal too. Which is a real surprise considering the fact that most women less attractive than she is don't spread their asses for the guys.
Jane at BKK141 is another beauty I'd probably fall in love with as soon as she walks in through the door. And apparently she is pretty good in bed too according to the ratings she received from her customers.
Aum at 'Oh Yes Massage & Escort' is another beauty I'd love to be with.
These ladies certainly cost a lot more than the regular massage ladies. But just for the one time experience with a real beauty who is good in bed, I certainly would be willing to shell out some money.
SidTheSexist
09-06-07, 07:55
I am providing a service to those readers who are misled by false statements by certain individuals such as a mysterious 'A' team that most people will not have access to.In all the time I have been reading this forum, I cannot honestly say I have came across a single post by a reader who has gone to Eden club expecting to find stunning 3 holer lesbians yet left disspointed. There are just as many honest opinons from readers who think Eden girls are ugly, as there are from those who go for the service they offer.
If you want to save the world, go and plant a tree or something.
In all the time I have been reading this forum, I cannot honestly say I have came across a single post by a reader who has gone to Eden club expecting to find stunning 3 holer lesbians yet left disspointed. There are just as many honest opinons from readers who think Eden girls are ugly, as there are from those who go for the service they offer.
If you want to save the world, go and plant a tree or something.
Look if I come on this site and tell people Rainbow 1 has an 'A' team that most punters won't see due to bad timing or luck, would you be happy with that?
That is fine about the readers going to Eden and enjoying themselves at Eden, but they always pounce on someone saying anything negative even if its a true statement.
Evil Penivel
09-06-07, 11:12
Why, so you can whack off to it?
No, so we can all see what they look like. But I understand it would be difficult for you to take photos of imaginary sex partners, just like you can't name the imaginary places you find them.
But I do indeed believe your life is a dream. I just hope you wake up from it one day.
Evil
AsiaTraveler2
09-06-07, 12:05
I am providing a service to those readers who are misled by false statements by certain individuals such as a mysterious 'A' team that most people will not have access to.
Can you find any false statements I made that need corrected? If not, take your foul mouth off this thread.
HK Dog,
Sorry, but if you really want to provide a service to the readers, then this should be the recommendation. It's generally agreed that Eden provides good service. It is not a drinking bar and you will be asked to make a decision once the lineup appears. It is for those who enjoy the two girl experience. It is generally recommended that you pick a girl and let her choose the 2nd girl. You do not need to follow this suggestion. You can pick both girls if you want. It is clear that the greatest debate is in the looks department. Stick your head in the door, see the lineup, and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF! Everyone has different tastes. You can walk out if you don't find anything you like. Not a problem. The place is right off Sukhumvit. You are not losing much by taking a look.
If you were saying that a place had stunners, but they are a ripoff joint, then I can understand a warning. The "problem" is hidden and you are then doing the reader a favor. This is clearly not the case here. The "issue" is clearly visible here and therefore is not a problem.
Please .. let's move on. I'm sorry, but if your goal is to discourage people from going, you are doing the complete opposite. You have done the equivalent of saturating the airwaves with one commercial after another for the place. I'm not big on the place, but I saw for my own eyes and sampled the goods. I left satisfied, but rarely make it a place to go. Not my thing.
AT2
I am providing a service to those readers who are misled by false statements by certain individuals such as a mysterious 'A' team that most people will not have access to.
Can you find any false statements I made that need corrected? If not, take your foul mouth off this thread.HK Dog,
Unless you can recommend YOUR fav places where class A stunners are easily available and who are willing to provide similar services (names of places, names of girls and whatnots in Bangkok), then I think it's best that you just quietly fade, fade fade away and leave this forum. I don't see why you persist. If you have not realise it by now, perhaps I can drop a very gentle hint to you that you are pushing the agenda higher and higher with every post.
Jeremy
I made a commnet about Club Eden a few posts back, at that time it was 4am and my head was spinning.
Here is a dispassionate appraisal of what I found:
First, why are the girls always eating? I went there at around 3pm and there were approximately 5 or 6 gals outside eating. Went inside and all the girls were sitting in various spots eating. I felt I was intruding so I apologized and said I would come back later.
Returned about 2 hours later and - guess what - it was a replay of the 1st visit, i.e., everyone was eating. This time I walked around to get a good look at the girls. I don't see anything special about their line-up. You could go around the corner to Nana Entertainment Center and see better looking women, who are also open to negotiation with respect to your wants.
I then Left, I was hungry from watching all the girls eat.
HK Dog,
Sorry, but if you really want to provide a service to the readers, then this should be the recommendation. It's generally agreed that Eden provides good service. It is not a drinking bar and you will be asked to make a decision once the lineup appears. It is for those who enjoy the two girl experience. It is generally recommended that you pick a girl and let her choose the 2nd girl. You do not need to follow this suggestion. You can pick both girls if you want. It is clear that the greatest debate is in the looks department. Stick your head in the door, see the lineup, and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF! Everyone has different tastes. You can walk out if you don't find anything you like. Not a problem. The place is right off Sukhumvit. You are not losing much by taking a look.
If you were saying that a place had stunners, but they are a ripoff joint, then I can understand a warning. The "problem" is hidden and you are then doing the reader a favor. This is clearly not the case here. The "issue" is clearly visible here and therefore is not a problem.
Please .. let's move on. I'm sorry, but if your goal is to discourage people from going, you are doing the complete opposite. You have done the equivalent of saturating the airwaves with one commercial after another for the place. I'm not big on the place, but I saw for my own eyes and sampled the goods. I left satisfied, but rarely make it a place to go. Not my thing.
AT2
Evil Penivel
09-06-07, 22:35
First, why are the girls always eating?
I would guess it is because they are hungry. They burn a lot of calories in the sessions with customers!
Evil
Read through several threads and could still use some advice.
I'll be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks.
I'm kind of a low key and don't like the raunchier places, although have had pleasurable times at one FKK in Germany.
Staying at Peninsula and would enjoy some elegant company overlooking the river. It seems that the escort services are a crap shoot as far as bait and switch? Any advice on this front is much appreciated. I'll only be in town for 30 hours.
I don't mind the $$ for the looks department and it seems that Poseidon and Caesar's, Utopia have the model types, but I am wondering if there are any other upscale, reliable places wise ones would recommend. Although I arrive on a Saturday AM, I might not be able to get out and explore till later in the evening, although call-in could be possible during the day.
I like the sound of Sazanka's re it's warm professionalism, although could do without the walk on the back. Any other very nice massage places one can be pampered in a genteel atmosphere?
Thanks in advance.
HK Dog,
Unless you can recommend YOUR fav places where class A stunners are easily available and who are willing to provide similar services (names of places, names of girls and whatnots in Bangkok), then I think it's best that you just quietly fade, fade fade away and leave this forum. I don't see why you persist. If you have not realise it by now, perhaps I can drop a very gentle hint to you that you are pushing the agenda higher and higher with every post.
Jeremy
I was almost going to post the photos yest but stopped myself. These girls are now married or are running sucessful business' in their home country. No need to potentially ruin their lives to prove a point.
The bottom line is this. If you believe the photos that Evil posted are the best one can do in getting girls to give you an 'Eden experience' from Thailand, then all I can say is boy you haven't experienced LOS.
The stunners (over 8 in my book) usually start out in the general working girl population but not for very long. They figure it out in under 2 months they are worth alot more and usually some moron 'takes' them off the market quickly. Then they realize they can do better than that moron and really move into high gear. You will never ever find these girls working in a place like Eden. If they did then they have the IQ of a overipe mango.
My best double was a few years back from a bisexual girl I know who brought her friend over.She often brought back hotties for me to tag team. Both girls were getting paid 3-5K HKD from punters in HK on individual basis where the average girl gets 1K, but I got a very special rate since we knew each other for a while. That night was truly a Playboy/Penthouse dream come true.
Sean_Double
09-07-07, 02:20
why are the girls always eating?
Yo Billpsu,
Evil probably has it right about needing the after session snack.
You've probably noticed as well that Thais in general eat all the time. Left to their own devices, with time and the money they'd probably have a meal every hour. The Eden girls have the time and money.
Cheers,
Sean
PS, Glad to see that you've had a good trip.
My experience is that Thailands best working girls (8.5+) never work in Thailand. They are practicing their art offshore and when back in LOS they can be seen out with their friends partying but never working. They can be spotted all around town in the 'proper' disco's such a Q Bar, Bed and the late night rave clubs such as Tunnel.
You will also see them in Phuket but again they are usually on 'vacation' and will only hookup with their old customers from offshore that they meet up with at offshore prices if man is desperate enough.
You may say a pussy is a pussy and not worth the extra charge. I wholeheartedly disagree with that.
My experience is that Thailands best working girls (8.5+) never work in Thailand. They are practicing their art offshore and when back in LOS they can be seen out with their friends partying but never working. They can be spotted all around town in the 'proper' disco's such a Q Bar, Bed and the late night rave clubs such as Tunnel.
You will also see them in Phuket but again they are usually on 'vacation' and will only hookup with their old customers from offshore that they meet up with at offshore prices if man is desperate enough.
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Hk Dog,
I had the same impression when I came to Asia 10 years ago. There is this group of internationally working professionals. You find them in Orchard Towers in Singapore, Wanchai bars in Hongkong, Banana/Tiger in Phuket and Spasso / CM2 etc. in Bangkok. Some stunners amongst them, good English, and some of them really understand the business and deliver good service to attract customers to return. Some. Very few.
To expect from them services which can be compared to the service level Eden provides - hmm. May be 1 out of 100 . Moneywise - they are expensive! Usually you cannot find those stunners in massage places, and you cannot expect services you can receive in massage places from those stunners. Of course there are some exceptions.
Today I know that you can find the stunners her in Bangkok, in various places, most likely NOT in massage parlours. Some of the work in Japanese Karaokes, because the Japanese customers pay well. Then the high-end mens clubs (Pegasus etc.). Some freelance in the mentioned high-end discos. And you find some stunners in the hostess bars of Soi 33.
You can find them everywhere, and there are much more of them here in Bangkok than those few professionals which are travelling all over Asia.
Giotto
To expect from them services which can be compared to the service level Eden provides - hmm. May be 1 out of 100 .
Giotto
I'll give you this one in that they never offered to shove a dildo up my ass but that is one I can pass on. The high end girls give mediocre to good service the first time around. They are like fine wine though. The more they age with you (# of times) the more they really open up. I have been offered anal by quite a few who claim it would be there first time and they 'want to try', after I know them quite a bit.
Of course, stunners are not the only girls I've been with. I can only estimate how many girls I've been with in Asia. Its a number greater than 1,000 and about par with my buddies.
If I am in the mood for just pure service, I don't mind getting a 6 or 7 from a girl like Darlings etc. However if I am hunting, my natural instinct is to go for the best pickings. If you are going to pay for it why not go for the best?
AsiaTraveler2
09-07-07, 07:13
I made a commnet about Club Eden a few posts back, at that time it was 4am and my head was spinning.
Here is a dispassionate appraisal of what I found:
First, why are the girls always eating? I went there at around 3pm and there were approximately 5 or 6 gals outside eating. Went inside and all the girls were sitting in various spots eating. I felt I was intruding so I apologized and said I would come back later.
Returned about 2 hours later and - guess what - it was a replay of the 1st visit, i.e., everyone was eating. This time I walked around to get a good look at the girls. I don't see anything special about their line-up. You could go around the corner to Nana Entertainment Center and see better looking women, who are also open to negotiation with respect to your wants.
I then Left, I was hungry from watching all the girls eat.
Billpsu,
I would be the first to agree. The lineup is not anything special. They are known for their service. That's why I suggest that if you have any questions, just look. If you feel they meet your tastes, great. If not, just walk away.
AT2
AsiaTraveler2
09-07-07, 07:20
Read through several threads and could still use some advice.
I'll be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks.
I'm kind of a low key and don't like the raunchier places, although have had pleasurable times at one FKK in Germany.
Staying at Peninsula and would enjoy some elegant company overlooking the river. It seems that the escort services are a crap shoot as far as bait and switch? Any advice on this front is much appreciated. I'll only be in town for 30 hours.
I don't mind the $$ for the looks department and it seems that Poseidon and Caesar's, Utopia have the model types, but I am wondering if there are any other upscale, reliable places wise ones would recommend. Although I arrive on a Saturday AM, I might not be able to get out and explore till later in the evening, although call-in could be possible during the day.
I like the sound of Sazanka's re it's warm professionalism, although could do without the walk on the back. Any other very nice massage places one can be pampered in a genteel atmosphere?
Thanks in advance.
Try the Soi 33 bars or Pegasus. You may find something that meets your needs there, in terms of company. You can also find many freelancers in all of the nightclubs at all of the high end hotels (Hyatt, Conrad, etc.) or bars like Bed Supper Club. Go to places where guys with money hangout and the girls will be there.
The one drawback to Sazanka, is that the place is a bit of a dive.
AT2
Staying at Peninsula and would enjoy some elegant company overlooking the river. It seems that the escort services are a crap shoot as far as bait and switch? Any advice on this front is much appreciated. I'll only be in town for 30 hours.
If $$'s aren't an issue and you don't want raunchy, then you should find more than what you are looking for at CM2 Disco (under Novotel in Siam Square). It gets going after 11:30 pm though until 2am. Spazzo's is another place (Grand Hyatt hotel) as is the Disco in the Conrad.
You may also find some top talent at Q Bar (Sukemvit Soi 11) but you may find the superhot girls there may not be working that night and just hanging out with their sugardaddy money. You will find something nice but you might have to work with it for a while.
Pegasus (and other similiar clubs) offer more 'refined' women than the go go's or massage but I find them a bit chunkier than for my taste. They appeal to the Japanese/Taiwanese spenders so you will also find ligher skinned Thai's there.
You should also stick your head into Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd but sometimes a super cutie can be found there.
AsiaTraveler2
09-07-07, 07:41
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You should also stick your head into Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd but sometimes a super cutie can be found there.
Agree that Nana has some cuties, but they will be dressed in Jeans or worse when they leave with you. If his intent is a nice dinner at a high end restaurant, then it may not quite work. If he intends to eat at the Nana Coffee shop, then by all means hit NEP.
AT2
Agree that Nana has some cuties, but they will be dressed in Jeans or worse when they leave with you. If his intent is a nice dinner at a high end restaurant, then it may not quite work. If he intends to eat at the Nana Coffee shop, then by all means hit NEP.
AT2
Nana Disco gets going after 11pm so I don't think a candlelight dinner is on the cards.
I always wondered who in their right mind who ever ever go with the girls who hang out in the bar just outside the Disco entrance. But there is a market for everything I suppose.
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Many thanks Hk Dog & AsiaTraveler2. Appreciate your assistance. I'm partial to the trim, healthy looking, darker skinned type myself, but a genuine laugh, joi'de vivre, and the ability to interact override my preference types. Of course it's all about the chemistry, as it takes two to tango. Unless you are Steve Martin or Martin Short.
Thanks again.
If $$'s aren't an issue and you don't want raunchy, then you should find more than what you are looking for at CM2 Disco (under Novotel in Siam Square). It gets going after 11:30 pm though until 2am. Spazzo's is another place (Grand Hyatt hotel) as is the Disco in the Conrad.
You may also find some top talent at Q Bar (Sukemvit Soi 11) but you may find the superhot girls there may not be working that night and just hanging out with their sugardaddy money. You will find something nice but you might have to work with it for a while.
Pegasus (and other similiar clubs) offer more 'refined' women than the go go's or massage but I find them a bit chunkier than for my taste. They appeal to the Japanese/Taiwanese spenders so you will also find ligher skinned Thai's there.
You should also stick your head into Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd but sometimes a super cutie can be found there.Hk Dog,
Yes, if $$'s aren't an issue - you MUST visit ... Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd ... haeehhhh, what BULLSHIT do I write here? Me stupid farang, sorry, mai pen rai :) !!!
Pegasus Club is in a way somehow similar sometimes as everybody knows for sure like - Nana Disco. What I want to say is: It does not matter whether you go to Nana Disco or Pegasus. Same same [but different][[but don't tell anybody!!!]].
Such a nonsense.
Giotto
Had a short stop over in Bangkok on my way to the Persian Gulf. First night took some Soi Cowboy talent. One 19 the other 25. Both spoke no English whatsoever. We did the whole shower thing then got down to business.
There was no porno type lesbian action but they both were great. They just shied away while I pounded the other. The 19 year old needs a few more months on the job as her pussy was vice grip tight. The other with the great lips her pussy was fantastic. She made me stroke her deeper every time she gasped for air. I went back to the bar to find her the next night but to no avail.."She holiday" as they put it.
So I had to settle for something else a 25 year old known as Dar with incredible thighs. I am a sucker for a lady with big thighs. She was far from beautiful but those legs I never wanted to come from between them. After about 4 sessions with Dar she left the next morning promising me she would be back in the afternoon.
Around 3pm she showed up and we went straight at it again. No more money was paid to the sweet thing. She did receive a wet pussy and a dip in my Jacuzzi. I promised her I would come get her after she left but Nana plaza called out to me.
Next night found a college girl who hooked on the side. Her English was flawless. She was a little devil in bed and out of it. She talked a little too much and was insanely jealous. I then fucked her friend after she offered. A nice 3 days...
Take it sleazy
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Retired Army
09-08-07, 07:45
Hk Dog,
Pegasus Club is in a way somehow similar sometimes as everybody knows for sure like - Nana Disco. What I want to say is: It does not matter whether you go to Nana Disco or Pegasus. Same same [but different][[but don't tell anybody!!!]].
Such a nonsense.
Giotto
Giotto,
What are you talking about? Pegagus is nothing like Angel's (Nana Disco). Yes you can get laid in both places, but that's where the compairson ends.
RA
Giotto,
What are you talking about? Pegagus is nothing like Angel's (Nana Disco). Yes you can get laid in both places, but that's where the compairson ends.
RARA,
LOL, thanks, that was btw. exactly what i wanted to say.
Giotto
Retired Army
09-08-07, 15:36
If $$'s aren't an issue and you don't want raunchy, then you should find more than what you are looking for at CM2 Disco (under Novotel in Siam Square). It gets going after 11:30 pm though until 2am. Spazzo's is another place (Grand Hyatt hotel) as is the Disco in the Conrad.
Spazzo's is a great place if you don't mind spending the money. If I remember correctly, beers are about 300 THB ++ and mixed drinks about twice that. Girls are going to ask 4,000 min., but you might get by for 3K. I like Sunday night when the band isn't playing, it isn't so crowded, and you can actually talk to the girl without yelling. I have met some nice, refined ladies in Sapzzo's on Sunday who are normal housewives trying to pick up a few extra bucks.
RA
Do all Thai girls pick their noses in public? Just an odd observation. I saw so many of them picking their noses in public. They would then, in full view of everyone else, dispose of the contents in the most ingenious ways (I told you this would be my last ramblings).Only in BKK. This is why i always do an oral inspection first. If it is not up to snuff, then cums the class in hygene, e.g. floss. My fee for this course is 50% of the costs, unless the laydee exhibits exceptional horizontal talent.
M P Lurker
09-09-07, 05:46
Originally Posted by Billpsu
Do all Thai girls pick their noses in public? Just an odd observation. I saw so many of them picking their noses in public. They would then, in full view of everyone else, dispose of the contents in the most ingenious ways (I told you this would be my last ramblings).
Bill,
Thai customs are different to western countries. Picking the nose is not considered quite as badly in Thailand. However blowing the nose in public is considered much worse if it makes a disgusting noise.
You are conditioning to find nose picking bad, but not everyone is.
I am more turned off more by finger up the bum then by finger up the nose.
:-)
The Thais (and myself) find the stench of bad body odour very hard to deal with.
What I am saying really is that different people and different cultures are irritated by different things.
I never seen so many Arabs around Bangkok before. Have any of you hounds got lucky with any Arab bunnies in Bangkok?
Hk Dog,
Yes, if $$'s aren't an issue - you MUST visit ... Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd ... haeehhhh, what BULLSHIT do I write here? Me stupid farang, sorry, mai pen rai :) !!!
Pegasus Club is in a way somehow similar sometimes as everybody knows for sure like - Nana Disco. What I want to say is: It does not matter whether you go to Nana Disco or Pegasus. Same same [but different][[but don't tell anybody!!!]].
Such a nonsense.
Giotto
I will assume you were having a bad day. When did I say 'MUST'? The guy wanted a non raunchy BKK experience and everything I gave him fit that criteria.
What exactly is your issue with my comments?
Normal houswives don't go to Spazzos to turn tricks.
I met an absolute stunner there about 7 yrs ago who was in the process of separating from her Thai husband. She worked in insurance sales during the day.
NicFrenchy
09-10-07, 04:33
I met an absolute stunner there about 7 yrs ago who was in the process of separating from her Thai husband. She worked in insurance sales during the day.I just wonder if she uses the same line with different potential customers every night. Maybe I'll go check out Spazzo then, it's been a while since I was there.
Last time I was there, I had a few girls dancing with me, bought them drinks and they all had very interesting stories. Ended up with one of them for the night and she only charged me 2000 (but I must have spent about 5 to 6k in drinks for the 4 of us)
The lady was good but Far from the best I've had.
I met an absolute stunner there about 7 yrs ago who was in the process of separating from her Thai husband. She worked in insurance sales during the day.Excellent. I met a nice,very attractive lady working at Robinson Dept.store on Sukhumvit. She was going through divorce with her husband too.I just happened to be there buying a phone.
You never know what will be if you smile alot.
Excellent. I met a nice,very attractive lady working at Robinson Dept.store on Sukhumvit. She was going through divorce with her husband too.I just happened to be there buying a phone.
You never know what will be if you smile alot.
I got to know her quite well, she even visited me in HK twice. Its a bit of a funny story. She seperated from her husband since he was cheating on her in a non subtle way. She was a bit chubby she told me during this period. She then moved out and went to the gym religiously for 6 mths and got a tit job. The next time her husband saw her was at the divorce court hearing. He was stunned and asked not to have the divorce and she laughed and told him Sign it!
The last few times I've stepped into Spasso's it hasn't been up to par from years back. In fact some of the ladys are probably cemented on their bar stools for 5 yrs!
Hk Dog,
I had the same impression when I came to Asia 10 years ago. There is this group of internationally working professionals. You find them in Orchard Towers in Singapore, Wanchai bars in Hongkong, Banana/Tiger in Phuket and Spasso / CM2 etc. in Bangkok. Some stunners amongst them, good English, and some of them really understand the business and deliver good service to attract customers to return. Some. Very few.
To expect from them services which can be compared to the service level Eden provides - hmm. May be 1 out of 100 . Moneywise - they are expensive! Usually you cannot find those stunners in massage places, and you cannot expect services you can receive in massage places from those stunners. Of course there are some exceptions.
Today I know that you can find the stunners her in Bangkok, in various places, most likely NOT in massage parlours. Some of the work in Japanese Karaokes, because the Japanese customers pay well. Then the high-end mens clubs (Pegasus etc.). Some freelance in the mentioned high-end discos. And you find some stunners in the hostess bars of Soi 33.
You can find them everywhere, and there are much more of them here in Bangkok than those few professionals which are travelling all over Asia.
GiottoI am suprised that no one mentioned about the Siam Coffee Shop, at Siam hotel. This is thai place and my exp. , over years the girls beat the NEP, SCB or PP hand down. This is typical thai pick place. I came to know only after a few yrs visitng BKK thru BKK contacts wrking in the company. Specially the last week of month you come across all type of working women. You need to know a thai as 99. 9% canot utter a word of english.
I picked up women who come on cars. To work on last week of month just to cover there expenses or pay of the car lease. You need to exp, thai pick up place they stand no where to foreign visting joints.
Cheers
Longhorn2000
09-10-07, 22:55
I know this will probably draw a barrage of RTFF responses, but here goes. Recently divorced, and also dumped at the same time by married Filipina mistress who caused the divorce in the first place, and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday. Never been to LOS during the Christmas holidays (last visits were 03-04 and 01-05). Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? Given that LOS is not a Christian nation, per se, I would hope that it wouldn't make as much difference as in the Phils. Anyone been to BKK or Pattaya during this time period? What was your experience like? Harder than usual to find good talent?
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciated
Evil Penivel
09-11-07, 00:00
Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual?
It is a bad time to visit LOS. It's the peak of the high season, with many hotels full of European families on holiday. Even the straight-up monger hotels are at capacity thanks to the long vacation breaks possible for many Europeans by stringing together public holidays and whatever vacation days they have left over for the year. A lot of these guys are young, in LOS for the first time, drink too much and can easily cause trouble.
So expect to pay the highest prices of the year for hotels. The girls will also be charging peak prices because of high demand for their services. No problem in finding girls, you just have to pay more because there's more competition for the cuties.
I understand you not wanting to spend the Christmas season alone, but just about any holiday destination in Asia will be as bad around Christmas/NY. It's not that you'll have a bad time, but you have to pay more for a good time, no matter where. Religion doesn't have too much to do with it - it's simply the economics of high season and peak demand.
Actually, PI after Christmas can be a good time because all the girls are broke. But indeed, most will go home to their villages for the holidays, so the trick is to catch them on their return.
Evil
NicFrenchy
09-11-07, 03:29
What Evil outlines is true. This is a busy period, no doubt about that.
But I think that in your situation, the trip would be welcome. Prices are not that high if you read the forum properly and know where to go, if you boof your hotel room in advance the price will be cheap.
There will be plenty of ladies for you to choose from. Just book your tickets and enjoy! It will surely beat the USA.
Escort Fan
09-11-07, 03:50
Thanks to everyone for all the info I could find here about hotels & girls. It's a true gold mine. Pity it's so time consuming to read 500 pages +
I have gone to NEP to Soi Cowboy, to Eden, to Poseidon and to Darling MP.
NEP is overcrowded and there are many lady boys beware newbies
Eden I would agree with previous post, good service for sure but second rate line up in terms of looks.
Poseidon building is so impressive, I think I was very unlucky because the girl sucked big time. I left after the massage as it was such a big flop. I read there are VIPs floor at Poseidon how to go there? I went there are like 5PM, I climbed the stairs, and was simply asked to pick from the fishbowl. The girl the old fatty papasan recommanded SUCKED I'm still fubar that I gave him a 500 baths tip for this crappy recommandation.
Darling has good girls, so it was a pleasant soapy time. Btw is it possible to break those girls routine and bring them home?
However I would like to say that I'm missing European style escorts. I mean its not fair to compare a 1500 baths girl with a 1500 euro girl for the overnight. But in europe you can find raffined escorts, girls who are delivering something sensual, girls who are pleasant to invite to dinner because they've been around, they are educated. I mean the average russian escort in London at 200£ per hour can speak about many many topics. And in Europe you can find girls who are gratuated who are part time escorting to add some revenue for the Prada bills!
In Thailand I felt that most girls don't speak good english, can't hold a good conversation. OK they provide sex, but let's see, in a long overnight I can have 2 hours of sex, then what to do during the remaing time?
I tried to ask some of those girls very specific questions about thai culture, thai history from middle age to modern days. How did Siam became Thailand etc. None of the girls could answer: (
In europe you have a wider range of prostitution between a street walker at 50E, a low level EE escort at 200 EUROS, mid range escorts at 3-400 euros, and elite escorts from most vip agencies like Venus Escorts or similiar at 2500 euro overnight.
In Thailand what else can you get except 1000 bath ST or 1500-2000 baths LT. I have not identified the place in BKK where I can find girls corresponding to this niche I'm looking for.
Oh well I'm still here for another two weeks, hopefully I'll find a place with providers fitting the description mentionned above.
I know this will probably draw a barrage of RTFF responses, but here goes. Recently divorced, and also dumped at the same time by married Filipina mistress who caused the divorce in the first place, and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday. Never been to LOS during the Christmas holidays (last visits were 03-04 and 01-05). Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? Given that LOS is not a Christian nation, per se, I would hope that it wouldn't make as much difference as in the Phils. Anyone been to BKK or Pattaya during this time period? What was your experience like? Harder than usual to find good talent?
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciated
You could go to Costa Rica, Columbia, or Brazil.
I know this will probably draw a barrage of RTFF responses, but here goes. Recently divorced, and also dumped at the same time by married Filipina mistress who caused the divorce in the first place, and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday. Never been to LOS during the Christmas holidays (last visits were 03-04 and 01-05). Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? Given that LOS is not a Christian nation, per se, I would hope that it wouldn't make as much difference as in the Phils. Anyone been to BKK or Pattaya during this time period? What was your experience like? Harder than usual to find good talent?
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciatedI have spent probably 7 Xmas/NewYears in Thailand and it is a blast. I usually spend it in Phuket (was there during Tsunami at Xmas 2004!) but Pattaya is just as good. Bangkok will probably be ok also.
LittleBigMan
09-11-07, 06:06
well, lbm finally arrived back home the other day. arrived at 11:05am in the gate and since i was near the front i was able to get out quick. did my quick walk to immigration and had my bags and was in taxi by 11:30am to hotel nana which i arrived a little after noon. (damage 350 baht with toll and tip)
checked into hotel, quick shower and was out the door to do some business across town by 12:45. the location i was seeking took me much longer than i anticipated and ended up walking in the hot sun for a few miles. that really kick my ass!
after the business, took a motorbike taxi back to the nana area, got my usual haircut on sukhumvit near soi 7, call august salon and i have to say this time there were lots of great looking girls inside! being a leg man i couldn't keep my eyes off the girls walking back and forth. thereafter went to sanzuka to relax. selected tomo which i had nearly a year ago, she did a great job of washing and cleaning me up from my long trip. i have to say she gives a great shampoo to the head. better than paying for it at august salon. back upstair she gave me a great hot towel treatment and a light oil massage. when it was time for the happy ending this time i wanted to know if the place does offer fs, and althought i didn't partake, certainly if the price is right she would have given it up! several times she quoted me " big money " as i finger her and removed her bra! in the end i got a bjcim.
now spent, i left for my 1 hour foot massage (soi 4) as i noted the walking kick my ass and i slept through most of it but got a good shoulder and neck massage with my foot massage. now i was going back to soi 8, corner to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) to get my 2 hour thai massage, i was so tired slept through most of that but woke up in time for a great back massage, very strong which is the way i like it.
by this time it was slightly pass 11pm and decided to head back to get a bite to eat at the bus stop. after eating my final destination was going to be the nana disco. the guy at the door saw my room key in hand and said i could go in without paying the door fee (400baht) which was new to me! the disco wasn't very crowded but as it got near 12:30 more and more it started to fill up and being somewhat picky i stood near the door and started my hunt. i decided to break the choices to 3 catagories. now remember every man trash is another man treasures but i don't think my standards are too far off from others! 1. stunners (9-10) 2. above average (7-8) 3. average (5-6) now this particular visit i can't remember seeing so many stunners. in my eyes i counted at less 20 that fell into this catagory. as it got closer to 01:30 i noticed the changes in many stunners that didn't seem to dance much or smile during the evening was now dancing more and smiling more. even a average guy like myself just standing near the door for nearly 2 hours many smiled at me when they went out to the bathroom, i sense i could just about have anyone i wanted. my decision was do i want a stunner that might end up being a starfish, above average that might surpise me with good looks and great sex, or the basic average that i know from my experience is going to fuck my brains off and top it off with a great massage. in the end i saw one that was in her late 20's great body with a fantastic face ( very natural ) with a nice rack. brought her and her friend a drink and decided that one was enough and took her to the room. spent 4 hours with her and had the time of my life for just a few hours. great few hours in bangkok before heading home to pattaya!
lbm
AsiaTraveler2
09-11-07, 08:53
It is a bad time to visit LOS. It's the peak of the high season, with many hotels full of European families on holiday. <cut>
I understand you not wanting to spend the Christmas season alone, but just about any holiday destination in Asia will be as bad around Christmas/NY. It's not that you'll have a bad time, but you have to pay more for a good time, no matter where. Religion doesn't have too much to do with it - it's simply the economics of high season and peak demand.
Evil
While I agree with some of what you said, given his feelings, I think he will have a good time. You can have a good time that time of year, a bit more expensive for Thailand, but alot less expensive than back home.
I say get on that plane and shag your blues away my friend!
AT2
AsiaTraveler2
09-11-07, 08:56
I am suprised that no one mentioned about the Siam Coffee Shop, at Siam hotel. This is thai place and my exp. , over years the girls beat the NEP, SCB or PP hand down. This is typical thai pick place. I came to know only after a few yrs visitng BKK thru BKK contacts wrking in the company. Specially the last week of month you come across all type of working women. You need to know a thai as 99. 9% canot utter a word of english.
I picked up women who come on cars. To work on last week of month just to cover there expenses or pay of the car lease. You need to exp, thai pick up place they stand no where to foreign visting joints.
Cheers
Leo2000,
The Siam Coffee shop was discussed in length a few weeks ago. Yes, good place for a pickup, but don't expect much conversation if you don't speak Thai. I don't think the girls are much better than Nana, and the action starts late. Usually after midnight.
AT2
NicFrenchy
09-11-07, 09:23
<cut>In Thailand I felt that most girls don't speak good english, can't hold a good conversation. OK they provide sex, but let's see, in a long overnight I can have 2 hours of sex, then what to do during the remaing time? <cut>
In Thailand what else can you get except 1000 bath ST or 1500-2000 baths LT. I have not identified the place in BKK where I can find girls corresponding to this niche I'm looking for.Yes, you are a newbie, and a very good one at that!
There is a whole thread dedicated to escorts where I am sure you will be able to find what you are looking for.
Bangkok has very expensive escorts available, just go to any concierge of 5 star hotels and they will find exactly what you are looking for.
What do you expect? you will obviously not find the girl you are talking about in the streets or in regular middle range bars (although some girls have a good level of English).
If you are also ok with Foreign Escorts, there are Russian girls available in Bkk, and some really good looking ones! read the Forum, search for Russians and you'll find exactly what you seek.
Cheers
In Thailand I felt that most girls don't speak good english, can't hold a good conversation. OK they provide sex, but let's see, in a long overnight I can have 2 hours of sex, then what to do during the remaing time?
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If you want girls that could speak English pretty well then head over to CM2 Disco or Spasso's. Alot have been overseas so have a decent command of the English language.
Jimmy Red Cab
09-11-07, 12:41
However I would like to say that I'm missing European style escorts. I mean its not fair to compare a 1500 baths girl with a 1500 euro girl for the overnight.
I understand completely, but how many of us can afford 1500 euros, that is why we travel half way round the world.
You should be able to find affordable girls in CM2, Russian and Thai.
........and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday.
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciatedIf you are not really particular about hotels, Xmas and NY would be a great period to visit, but be there 1/2 days earlier.I say this because on Xmas eve, there's always a great street party-like atmosphere along the whole of Soi Cowboy. Ther are FREE buffets and BBQs placed outside of many bars where anyone can partake in. Every joint is lit up with coloured lights and decorated with hundreds of balloons giving the place a great festive spirit. Most of the ladies working in the row are dressed either in red or white or both, many with party hats.
There's even a S C, a farang whom I understand is a resident of BKK, who appears every XMAS eve without fail, passing out chocolates to everyone that's around every hour on the dot from 8 pm.
And when the clock strikes 12, ........., I guess you know the drill.
" Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? [/QUOTE]I don't see this at all, and I've been a visitor for the past 5 xmas seasons, at least.
Just come for the exp., you'll not regret it, esp if you are lonely.
Jeremy
Traveler1234
09-11-07, 15:00
However I would like to say that I'm missing European style escorts. I mean its not fair to compare a 1500 baths girl with a 1500 euro girl for the overnight. But in europe you can find raffined escorts, girls who are delivering something sensual, girls who are pleasant to invite to dinner because they've been around, they are educated. I mean the average russian escort in London at 200£ per hour can speak about many many topics. And in Europe you can find girls who are gratuated who are part time escorting to add some revenue for the Prada bills!
In Thailand what else can you get except 1000 bath ST or 1500-2000 baths LT. I have not identified the place in BKK where I can find girls corresponding to this niche I'm looking for.
Oh well I'm still here for another two weeks, hopefully I'll find a place with providers fitting the description mentionned above.
Try some of the escort services and also the sideliners at some of the MP. For instance, at Long Beach MP (next to Ramada on Rama IX), I met a couple of hot looking sideliners (part time models) who spoke decent English, very well dressed and more than happy to take your euro's :)
A couple of them often go with client to Bali and other asian destinations. Talk with the pappasan since money is not an issue for you.
I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.
I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.
I can tell its your first trip to Thailand. Prostitutes in Asia are NOT what you imaging them to be in the West which is crack heads hanging out in dark alleys off the sides of roads getting into cars.
The beauty of Thailand is that you can find a stunner in almost any category of prostitution if you spend enough time there.
If English speaking is a high priority and cost isn't an issue then read the last few pages which disclose many places.
Escort Fan
09-12-07, 07:18
Yes, you are a newbie, and a very good one at that!
There is a whole thread dedicated to escorts where I am sure you will be able to find what you are looking for.
Bangkok has very expensive escorts available, just go to any concierge of 5 star hotels and they will find exactly what you are looking for.
What do you expect? you will obviously not find the girl you are talking about in the streets or in regular middle range bars (although some girls have a good level of English).
If you are also ok with Foreign Escorts, there are Russian girls available in Bkk, and some really good looking ones! read the Forum, search for Russians and you'll find exactly what you seek.
CheersI like to always go for local girls! So i won't search for Russians in BKK, besides I like asian girls i'm met excellent asian ladies in europe & Japan.
I have indeed noticed there is an escort section but most of those agency seems very amateur (at least their web is) and it seems to be street girls at 1500 baths rebaged with a 4 or 5000 price tag by BKK 141 or other agencies rather than Playboy thailand or Cosopolitan girls looking for extra income :)
AsiaTraveler2
09-12-07, 07:52
I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.
Dallim93,
LOL! Bangkok is nothing like the road kill road hookers you find in the states or other westernized countries. You can travel up and down Sukhumvit, Ratchadapisek, etc. and find lot's of 7's and 8's. I'm a strict grader, and don't give out 9's and 10's generally, and the road kill road hookers would grade between 1 and 3.
Go to the Super Soapies, Go-Go Bars, Coyote Clubs, Gentlemens Clubs, Night Clubs and you will find what you are looking for. Of course, that's provided you like Asian woman.
AT2
Jimmy Red Cab
09-12-07, 12:52
I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s.
I have been to Bangkok 14 times and never seen a "10" in the P4P industry, maybe I have been going to the wrong places ----I am not a lover of soapies by the way.
M P Lurker
09-12-07, 14:25
If you are not really particular about hotels, Xmas and NY would be a great period to visit, but be there 1/2 days earlier.I say this because on Xmas eve, there's always a great street party-like atmosphere along the whole of Soi Cowboy. Ther are FREE buffets and BBQs placed outside of many bars where anyone can partake in. Every joint is lit up with coloured lights and decorated with hundreds of balloons giving the place a great festive spirit. Most of the ladies working in the row are dressed either in red or white or both, many with party hats.
There's even a S C, a farang whom I understand is a resident of BKK, who appears every XMAS eve without fail, passing out chocolates to everyone that's around every hour on the dot from 8 pm.
And when the clock strikes 12, ........., I guess you know the drill.
" Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? "I don't see this at all, and I've been a visitor for the past 5 xmas seasons, at least.
Just come for the exp., you'll not regret it, esp if you are lonely.
Jeremy
The streets of Bangkok do get a little quie around New Year but it won't stop me. I'll be arriving on Dec 26 and staying first 2 weeks of Jan.
Not all P4P girls go up country at New Year so all will be well.
Find a hot one for a multi-day booking can be a nice option too but
I have my Thai GF to keep me in check.
Hi guys,
First time poster here. I am heading to Bangkok for a short stay. Staying at the Davis Hotel (88 Sukhumvit 24). Since I am not familiar with Bangkok's geography, transportation, etc. I was hoping someone could recommend some nice massage parlours near the hotel, or if not, ways of getting to nice massage parlours.
Requirements:
- I would like to try a soapy massage
- Preferably somewhere that offers nice GFE and 2 shots
- Not absolutely necessary, but any place that offers BBBJ and CIM would be nice.
- not too expensive
Thanks in advance.
Japentii
SlimHoleDrill
09-12-07, 17:24
I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.
I'll probably get a little disagreement (maybe some flames) on this, but things are getting a little quiet anyway. So, if $$s are not an issue:
Try Patpong. I know, I know, it is totally cliched and full of tourists, but also, in a way it is the major leagues. I say this because I had not been there for some time and decided to check out some old haunts.
Some of the smaller places, like for example the Safari, are still by passed by the tourists and I found a real nice selection. I guess with the high bar fines and higher prices, it still attracts some of the best.
I took one home and was not disappointed.
Now you can all start to flame me, but I would say if you have not been for a while go back and check it out. I had a very nice experience. More on this later when I have some time.
Retired Army
09-12-07, 18:26
I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.
The closest you are going to get in the P4P arena is the Pegagus.
Q Bar and Narcissus have their share, but unless you are young, look like Tom Cruise, have plenty of $$$ and like to play head games you aren't going to get very far.
Retired Army
09-12-07, 18:33
I know this will probably draw a barrage of RTFF responses, but here goes. Recently divorced, and also dumped at the same time by married Filipina mistress who caused the divorce in the first place, and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday. Never been to LOS during the Christmas holidays (last visits were 03-04 and 01-05). Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? Given that LOS is not a Christian nation, per se, I would hope that it wouldn't make as much difference as in the Phils. Anyone been to BKK or Pattaya during this time period? What was your experience like? Harder than usual to find good talent?
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciated
When is it not a good to visit Thailand?
ThaiLearner
09-12-07, 21:51
hi guys,
first time poster here. i am heading to bangkok for a short stay. staying at the davis hotel (88 sukhumvit 24). since i am not familiar with bangkok's geography, transportation, etc. i was hoping someone could recommend some nice massage parlours near the hotel, or if not, ways of getting to nice massage parlours.
requirements:
- i would like to try a soapy massage
- preferably somewhere that offers nice gfe and 2 shots
- not absolutely necessary, but any place that offers bbbj and cim would be nice.
- not too expensive
thanks in advance.
japentii
you should try edens on soi 7 and also [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900)
Member #3428
09-13-07, 04:30
Went to Bangkok recently and tried some new things. I have stayed with one lady lately and this was our third trip together, I have not paid her since the first night together, but of course I pay indirectly and it is more expensive then just paying a BF and such, but she’s a good kid and is my tour guide, maid, cook, just everything. So this trip I had to go down to Chonburi and visit a place called ES-TA-TE. It is a tent camp inside khaokeaw zoo. A quick ride down there from BKK but you are out of the city which I enjoy. The tents have air conditioning and a refrigerator so it isn’t like it’s roughing it. The bathrooms are clean and nice. For staying there the food is large and delicious and you get your meals and such, as well as a day safari and a night safari. The next day you can do whate6ver you want, walk around or rent bikes or ATV or whatever. We woke up the one morning with deer and monkey’s right outside our place. Very nice. But more importantly, I had to go and I decided to take this lady along and it turns out that she really had a blast, she said it was one of her most favorite things she’s done. And making her happy, she went out of her way to make me happy.
http://www.estateresort.com/?lang=en
Another thing we did was on advice of a poster here, we went to Siam Niramit. I enjoyed the show very much and would recommend it to anyone, if you are with a girl or a wife or whatever, it was nice. I liked the little village you can walk around in before the show and would recommend going early. The lady and I had a great evening together and of course she’s never even heard of it, it’s only a year and a half old. But she really enjoyed it, and as such, I got good enjoyment from it afterwards.
www.siamniramit.com
Another item we ended up doing was going on Loy Nava dinner cruise. This was nice, they picked us up at the hotel and we board a small rice barge, only about 12 tables, very intimate and private, not like a large disco / dance type barge that are on the river. This evening dinner was very intimate. The meal was very good but it was more of something that the girl would not have done normally.
http://www.loynava.com/
Obviously I would not make reservations and take any old BG with me, but if you find one you like and enjoy time with, I’d recommend either of the three above for a change of pace.
ArchieLeach
09-13-07, 10:26
Japentii,
See my comments in BKK MP thread.
I don't want to cross-post.
Archie
Evil Penivel
09-13-07, 19:18
The closest you are going to get in the P4P arena is the Pegagus.
Here's the Web site of Pegasus (http://www.pegasus-grand-sukhumvit23.com/home.html).
In my book, the interior decoration was more stunning than the women. The girls were indeed very attractively dressed and turned out, but I didn't get a WOW! feeling at first glance.
I went there as a guest of Asian business associates. The experience was again proof that there's no universal concept of beauty and standards vary considerably from culture to culture, not to mention among individuals. I could see very little difference between the PR girls, sideliners and models, but to my hosts (from Taiwan) it was crystal clear. One of them summed it up this way: "Of course the models are prettier, they cost more."
Evil
Ralph Kramden
09-14-07, 15:21
Well stated EP. I couldn't agree more with your outstanding commentary and myself would much rather hook up with a cute busty country looking girl for half or one third the price than a so-called sophisticated model.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
M P Lurker
09-14-07, 17:58
Here's the Web site of Pegasus (http://www.pegasus-grand-sukhumvit23.com/home.html).
In my book, the interior decoration was more stunning than the women. The girls were indeed very attractively dressed and turned out, but I didn't get a WOW! feeling at first glance.
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Evil
I see your point Evil,
Viewing the web site I don't see any girls as pretty as my favourite girls at "Long Gun"
Retired Army
09-16-07, 09:57
Here's the Web site of Pegasus (http://www.pegasus-grand-sukhumvit23.com/home.html).
In my book, the interior decoration was more stunning than the women. The girls were indeed very attractively dressed and turned out, but I didn't get a WOW! feeling at first glance.
I went there as a guest of Asian business associates. The experience was again proof that there's no universal concept of beauty and standards vary considerably from culture to culture, not to mention among individuals. I could see very little difference between the PR girls, sideliners and models, but to my hosts (from Taiwan) it was crystal clear. One of them summed it up this way: "Of course the models are prettier, they cost more."
Evil
The inside is gaudy and overdone. It's a cathouse! But it's the total experience that counts.
Jimmy Red Cab
09-16-07, 11:12
When is it not a good to visit Thailand?
When you are broke. !!!
OK, seriously, any time is good but I personally would avoid Christmas and New Years Eve.
Also bear in mind that September/October are the wettest months.
I almost forgot, avoid Songkran unless you like water thrown over you day after day.
Songkran is supposed to be 13th to 15th April but in Pattaya it continues until 19th.
AsiaTraveler2
09-17-07, 05:08
Here's the Web site of Pegasus (http://www.pegasus-grand-sukhumvit23.com/home.html).
In my book, the interior decoration was more stunning than the women. The girls were indeed very attractively dressed and turned out, but I didn't get a WOW! feeling at first glance.
I went there as a guest of Asian business associates. The experience was again proof that there's no universal concept of beauty and standards vary considerably from culture to culture, not to mention among individuals. I could see very little difference between the PR girls, sideliners and models, but to my hosts (from Taiwan) it was crystal clear. One of them summed it up this way: "Of course the models are prettier, they cost more."
Evil
Evil,
I do agree that there is no universally accepted view of beauty. Prices in general, though, do reflect demand and therefore are an indicator of some combination of skills, looks and service. Ambience and exclusivity also has value to some. Yes, some places are marketed better, but without any real value, those places soon disappear. Pegasus has been around for a while.
The girls in Pegasus may not meet your view of beauty, but someone is paying those prices for those girls and must be getting some value for it. In my opinion, you can find girls who look as good or better outside the Eden Club for less baht. What is implied in Eden's pricing and the reason they can charge more is reputation based off prior service levels. You might say "of course the service is better, it costs more".
Your quote you posted of the Taiwan host makes him look like an idiot, and I suspect his view/opinion may not have come across as intended. He may have simply meant that historically, the girls in the higher priced category are better looking or provide better service. Just a guess. As my handle indicates, I also spend a lot of time in Asia and also live in the only State in the US where 50% of the population is Asian (US born and Asia born). I don't know any Asians, friends or business associates, who would be sold on someone's looks just because they are priced higher. They are not idiots and they are not sheep.
Even in the Soapies, the "models" are not always better looking than the other fishbowl girls. Taken as a group, they generally are. I do suspect that they do have a following based on the complete package (skills, looks and consistently good service).
I found that Pegasus was much like Soi 33. Mostly more packaging than substance, but I did have a very good time with one of the girls there a few years back. There are also some stunning woman there from time to time, just like Soi 33. Just don't expect it everytime. They will show you the membership set up, but you do not need to be a member.
I would say it's worth a look, but don't go there if the Soi 33 prices bother you, since it's actually a bit more expensive than they are.
AT2
Saint Jack
09-17-07, 17:00
Haven't been to this pick-up joint for half year or so, thus gladly joined when a friend of mine came from abroad for the weekend.
Arriving at the scene just after midnight on Saturday, crowded as usual with chicks and to-be clients.
The seating seemed to be divided into zones with Japanese clients to the right and those farang clients at central bars.
Type of girls here also being divided accordingly to suit different taste of choice. Those darker skin Isan girls favoured by farang at the middle part and those slimmer body fair skin cutir type hang around the right side of the bar.
Doing some market survey walking around, I spoke to several girls and enquired price for ST. Girls are quite confined to their client group and most of the time would not quote if you do not fall into her type of customer. She might smile and walk away or give some excuse to leave.
From the responses I got, it could be summarized as this; the Isan type girls or those with higher mileage would quote you 1,000 - 1,200 Baht and can be bargained down. Especially after bar closing there would be more flexibility in price.
Those catering to Asian clients mostly quoted 1,500 Baht ST or even higher and not budged lower than 1.5k as far as I have tried. It gave me impression that those Japanese guys have spoiled the market, I just hope that this will not spillover to the other group of girls.
Took one of the good looking one out, and she took me upstairs hotel in the same building (Manhattan?) which cost 500 B but there was no available room (Wow!) So, went out to flag down a cab to the side lane from Soi 3 (Nana Nuea) to a hotel call Penthouse. Adequate room but not particularly nice, just OK, ST room rate is 310 B.
The girl I took requested for advance payment right after shower which I refused with smile, telling her not to worry I will pay her as agreed and she gave in.
Had a so so CBJ and alright sex but the girl seemed to have low mileage as I felt that she's not so oftenly utilized. She told me later that she just do this over weekend or when money is tight.
One thing I like about Thermae is the diversity of girls there; though many are long time professionals but also many are freelancers looking for extra income from all walk of life. Just sititng there sipping cold beer and you can observe how differently men approach women for those from opposite side of our hemisphere!
NicFrenchy
09-18-07, 04:49
Saint Jack,
It's been a long time since I used BG7 or Thermae, but I used to tell this to the girls:
"1,000ST, if you are really good, you get 1,000Tip, if not, you get nothing" that way, I could always tell they are eager to go the extra mile. Some of them were really aggressive in bed (probably motivated by the extra money).
Also, If the girl did go the extra mile, I always honored my side of the Bargain and tipped her the agreed amount, you have to be fair.
Saint Jack
09-18-07, 17:14
NicFrenchy
Saint Jack,
It's been a long time since I used BG7 or Thermae, but I used to tell this to the girls:
"1,000ST, if you are really good, you get 1,000Tip, if not, you get nothing" that way, I could always tell they are eager to go the extra mile. Some of them were really aggressive in bed (probably motivated by the extra money).
Also, If the girl did go the extra mile, I always honored my side of the Bargain and tipped her the agreed amount, you have to be fair.
I may do it differently though higher chance of not getting satisfactory service;
I never mention tipping amount and will see to the service quality of the girl to decide how much I would pay.
I try to look for the right chemistry between the two by be nice to them rather than motivating girls to provide service with extra pay; and I hate those girls who try to hint that others are tipping so much so much.
I agree that your way of dealing will probably yield more satisfied service but I just have different philosophy on how to do it.
SJ
Montecristo
09-19-07, 14:09
Its now 1 year since the military junta took power.
What do you think has changed for mongers, throughout this year ?
By reports, prices seem the same, there were some bombings in new year, but safety seems good, is everything the same as ever in your opinion ?
Thanks
Monte Cristo
M P Lurker
09-19-07, 14:35
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Those catering to Asian clients mostly quoted 1,500 Baht ST or even higher and not budged lower than 1.5k as far as I have tried. It gave me impression that those Japanese guys have spoiled the market, I just hope that this will not spillover to the other group of girls.
<cut>
I don't go to Thermae these days as recent visits found not many girls that I liked.
However previously I have found some really hot girls there (years ago).
Some girls will not go with every guy. It sometimes depends on if they really like the guy. Many of these girls are not full time P4P but are strapped for cash from time to time, although they still have standards and self respect. Of course offering huge amounts of money can always be persuasive. I mean I would fuck just about anything for 1 million dollars.
There are girls who are not desperate and will not fuck for less than 1500 Baht. Thats fine. It just supply and demand. The best girls can price themselves higher because they get more customers anyway. Why should they fuck for less than 50 bucks when they don't need to. If they really wanted the guy badly they could go for free.
There will always be guys willing to pay $50 or more for sex with a superior girl. Now there are 'dogs' available for fucking at very low prices but why would I when my GF is georgous (IMO). So a girl needs to be have something special to be worth spending my valuable time on.
M P Lurker
09-19-07, 14:47
its now 1 year since the military junta took power.
what do you think has changed for mongers, throughout this year ?
by reports, prices seem the same, there were some bombings in new year, but safety seems good, is everything the same as ever in your opinion ?
thanks
monte cristo
the thaksin era caused soapies and bars to be drained of **** girls and illegal immigrants (like burmese or thai ya girls).
the bars started closing earlier.
full nudity on the gogo floor wasn't allowed.
but policing these restrictionss is dropping away gradually.
some bars have full nudity, close later than closing time, etc.
have the illegal girls come back? not too my knowledge but they may have.
bombs,tsunamis, coups, etc. have short term effects on tourists but there is no sound basis for that, so before long they are back.
hopefully the forum members know that thailand is still a much safer place to be than many other countries, assuming that you respect local customs and don't go looking for trouble.
Long Time Boy
09-20-07, 07:49
back again after a week and boy do i need a massage and so it search time.
have not had much success with the soapies in the past, but they are popular so i must have had bad luck. easiest way to get to the main bunch on rachadapisek is to catch the underground mrt to huay kwang. take the emerald hotel exit (#3) and there you are, los: land of soapies (and quite a few good chinese restaurants). the choice is truely bewildering.
going south toward the swissotel (which is on your left on the other side of the road) there is an easy stroll to
caludia. ok but not really memorable.
hi-class. relatively smaller place that was quiet as hell last night. room for 40-50 women in the fsh bowl and sideliners behind you and in another room. not tongight for ltb. last year when i was there they had a sideliner that i still dream about, gorgeous and aobut 4000b. it was during the day and they offered a discount, seemed suspicious to me so passed.
emanuelle. the grand daddy of them all. somewhat like a vegas casino (dirtier and seedier just as i like it) from the outside and a bit run down on the inside. good selection on the night. fishbowl is 2200 t0 2600 and the models in the other room run to 5000. no one really caught my fancy although one of the models, well you know what it's like, that little tingle saying 'hello what's this, time to stand to attention'. possibly the first mistake of the night, i decided to check out the other options and passed.
nataree. there appear to be two. the first (the one on your right if you are looking at them from the street or the strip parking in front) was the pick of the night for me. less structured. a million girls in the bowl, seemingly hundreds rep001tered all around you as you look at the aquarium. truly a boy in a lolly shop experience, so intense i couldn't make my mind up and moved on. prices seemed a bit cheaper than emanuelle, in the same league none the less. they did however have a couple of average looking women for 6000 and 8000b. wtf? papasan says they're virgins. don't really believe it, but you should know what he says. anyone any ideas, stories on this?
the other nataree was a dump. rude papasan, few girls and tacky surrounds.
subway. tried hard but somehow doesn't really stack up with the others. on the night the girls were few and below par and the service ambiance only so so. they did serve food though.
decided to walk north to check out poseidon and whatever else i could find on the way. quick tip, probably not a good idea to walk unless you want to arrive looking like you've stepped out of a shower you had with your cloths still on. anyway the two highlights are
poseidon. a real monster of a place. nightclub, fishbowl, lounge with models, bar and all. fishbowl girls were only ok and the action in the models lounge looked limited. lot's of guys drinking and only a few girls. decided to move on. prices much the same as emanuelle, by the way poseidon is right next to the surisan mrt stop.
party spa is just south of poseidon. this is small place with only about 10 or so girsl on display. no fishbowl just women sitting on an l-shaped couch under spot lights. very fetching. in fact definately the best looking of the girls all night as a group. papasan very friendly and helpful. sadly he told me prices are that were inline with the others only they applied to one pop only. mistake number two and ltb leaves on the basis of poor value. next time.
back to nataree, the good one. fewer women now, it's about 9:30 or so. busy says papasan, good sign says me (to myself). still so many left it's hard to decide. about to pick a winsome honey from the fishbowl when some majic spirit tempts me to turn around and there she is, miss drop dead gorgeous. a smile that says you are the most wonderful man in the world. well how could i resist such an accurate smile lol. her name is noi. just the sort of body i love, small breast, great arse beautiful hair, great make up (subtle) the whole package. you know what it's like with thai women, can't tell if they are 16 or 26, can act 16 or 26 and always attentive.
sad to report that in room performance was in line with my previous experiences in soapy land. no dfk, no bbbj, no daty only marginal performance on the bj and fs side, still all i had to do was open my eyes and look at either her absolutely sweet, neat and wet pussy or at her quite good acting and it was all worth it. the upside was the that massage part was truly surprisingly good.
next time i hope to score her looks and innocence with some high octane performance.
keep rootin 'n' reportin
ltb
AsiaTraveler2
09-20-07, 08:29
<cut>emanuelle. the grand daddy of them all. somewhat like a vegas casino (dirtier and seedier just as i like it) from the outside and a bit run down on the inside. <cut>
nataree. there appear to be two. the first (the one on your right if you are looking at them from the street or the strip parking in front) was the pick of the night for me. less structured. a million girls in the bowl, seemingly hundreds rep001tered all around you as you look at the aquarium. truly a boy in a lolly shop experience, so intense i couldn't make my mind up and moved on. prices seemed a bit cheaper than emanuelle, in the same league none the less. they did however have a couple of average looking women for 6000 and 8000b. wtf? papasan says they're virgins. don't really believe it, but you should know what he says. anyone any ideas, stories on this?
the other nataree was a dump. rude papasan, few girls and tacky surrounds.
subway. tried hard but somehow doesn't really stack up with the others. on the night the girls were few and below par and the service ambiance only so so. they did serve food though.
decided to walk north to check out poseidon and whatever else i could find on the way.
<cut>sad to report that in room performance was in line with my previous experiences in soapy land. no dfk, no bbbj, no daty only marginal performance on the bj and fs side, <cut>
ltb
ltb,
the other side of nataree (the dump, as you described it), is the oil massage section i believe. very few girls there. i would recommend nataree as very good value. large 50+ girl selection and price range of 2,000 to 3,000 baht. i think there were a handful of girls priced higher, but more than enough selection and variety.
subway is also in the oil massage category and not a soapy. yes, they have a very small selection. they did have a very hot starfish, when i was there a few weeks ago.
i agree with you on two of your other comments. emmanuelle does remind me a lot of the slightly cheesy vegas strip clubs on the outside and yes, do not walk to poseidon and the other soapy's from huai kwang. the next stop on the mrt will take you right to the heart of the action in that cluster.
be sure to take a cab from huai kwang to utopia the next time. nice selection there too. i'm a bit surprised by your "no daty" experience. i have not had that issue at the soapy's.
last comment .. i think this belongs in the massage thread. although technically, you rarely get a real massage at a soapy.
at2
NicFrenchy
09-21-07, 03:19
Although technically, you rarely get a real massage at a Soapy.
AT2Now THAT is So true!! hahaha
I can hardly remember ever having received a massage at a soapy (except the Cupidy Inflatable Mattress)
ArchieLeach
09-21-07, 09:05
I have an odd question.
I'm going to grow my beard out. I'm usually clean-shaven, but I've decided to let it grow for my trip. I obviously plan to keep it well-trimmed.
I know that on the whole, the girls will usually prefer a man who's clean-shaven, but my question is "will it be a major issue"? I can't imagine that it would, but you never know. Is it a big issue to Thai Girls? Or are they totally used to facial hair with all the scruffiness nowadays, and the trend toward not shaving religiously?
Your experiences?
NicFrenchy
09-21-07, 10:58
Archie,
In my experience, Thai women do not like Facial hair. I never get any grief from P4P girls (they like you the way you are, since you are paying), but I can tell you the reaction from my female staff: The few times I came to the office unshaven they made it a point to tell me that letting your facial hair grow is dirty.
I am 99.9% of the time clean shaven and the girls love to caress my face (or mabe it's because I have the face of a baby LOL)
I have an odd question.
I'm going to grow my beard out. I'm usually clean-shaven, but I've decided to let it grow for my trip. I obviously plan to keep it well-trimmed.
I know that on the whole, the girls will usually prefer a man who's clean-shaven, but my question is "will it be a major issue"? I can't imagine that it would, but you never know. Is it a big issue to Thai Girls? Or are they totally used to facial hair with all the scruffiness nowadays, and the trend toward not shaving religiously?
Your experiences?
I have had either full beard or just a "goatee" and never has been a problem - actually some like it.
If you got the "cash" they may take you even if you are "wolfman"
enjoy
Evil Penivel
09-21-07, 13:40
I've had a beard my entire adult life, but I keep it and my hair neatly trimmed and my beard has never been a problem for Thai girls. It's more the total impression you make.
Evil
M P Lurker
09-21-07, 17:32
Now THAT is So true!! hahaha
I can hardly remember ever having received a massage at a soapy (except the Cupidy Inflatable Mattress)
Many years ago, a good massage could be had at a soapie, assumming that you had plenty of time.
The Thermae was my favourite Soapie for a while (Long gone now).
CPII had good massage plus sex available in the Boraan section and still does.
Not that many pretty girls in this section of course.
I don't want the massage to be too good. I'm scared it will be more torture than bliss.
I really prefer to be giving them an erotic massage instead
M P Lurker
09-21-07, 17:35
<cut>
They did have a very hot starfish, when I was there a few weeks ago.
<cut>AT2
Please explain what this means to an ignorant not up with the jargon.
"hot starfish"???
ThaiLearner
09-21-07, 20:37
Please explain what this means to an ignorant not up with the jargon.
"hot starfish"???
Its a girl whos very hot atractive sexy fit what ever you want to call it who is shit in bed basically just lays there.
M P Lurker
09-22-07, 16:12
Its a girl whos very hot atractive sexy fit what ever you want to call it who is shit in bed basically just lays there.
Yeh O.K. I thought 'hot' and 'starfish' seemed self contradictory, but now I get it.
Its now 1 year since the military junta took power.
What do you think has changed for mongers, throughout this year ?
By reports, prices seem the same, there were some bombings in new year, but safety seems good, is everything the same as ever in your opinion ?
Thanks
Monte CristoLiving in Bkk for almost 5 years I have noticed a number of changes during the last year. The most important probably more relaxed opening hours. Before closing was strictly 1pm most places and 2pm at nightclubs at major hotels. Today there are numerous discos and clubs open until early morning. Places like Spicy, Boss, Lucky, etc are packed every week end night. And one more change; less tourists so more girls per guy. Amazing Thailand!
china town has less girls, and higher percentage are dogs. grace hotel area has more and older fat dogs. prices are about the same. hardly any newbie girls any more. prince hotel girl scene is gone.( making a 5 star hotel.).
Biggest change I have seen lately is that the girls on the street, at the Biergarten Soi 7 and Nana Parking lot are more often asking what I am going to pay them. Some of these girls are wanting more than before - it seems that they are getting into a crunch with higher inflation here and a money squeeze. They worry a lot more about money than they did a year ago (the consumer confidence numbers here are at a 5 year low, and that may explain some of it).
Back in Dec 06 I couldn't play much (Not on my own every night), Tried a couple of strees ladies, one was a classy uni student I met on SuK Soi 15 - 17 about 3am. We went to PB and enjoyed an very enjoyable night (LT) followed by breakfast at a nearby resteraunt the following morning.
I used to do this daily 20 years ago, but now I am a 50 yo I did find it a bit strange walking down the street 9 am with a 21 yo beautiful Thai lady.
Dec 07 I will be back and alone this time, looking to make up for lost time. Possibly staying at Nana or Swiss on Soi 11, unless omeone recommends a better guest friendly place.
Also I have read reports about Annies in the Nana area of Sukhumvit. where and how good is it ?
Thanks in advance to the members
Member #2160
09-25-07, 18:28
Hello,
Is Popper legal in BKK or not?
Back in Dec 06 I couldn't play much (Not on my own every night), Tried a couple of strees ladies, one was a classy uni student I met on SuK Soi 15 - 17 about 3am. We went to PB and enjoyed an very enjoyable night (LT) followed by breakfast at a nearby resteraunt the following morning.
I used to do this daily 20 years ago, but now I am a 50 yo I did find it a bit strange walking down the street 9 am with a 21 yo beautiful Thai lady.
Dec 07 I will be back and alone this time, looking to make up for lost time. Possibly staying at Nana or Swiss on Soi 11, unless omeone recommends a better guest friendly place.
Also I have read reports about Annies in the Nana area of Sukhumvit. where and how good is it ?
Thanks in advance to the members
One place I would suggest is Livingsone's in Soi33. You wouldn't have to be walking the street there as you can take the ladies straight up to your room. Check out Giotto's Forum under ASIA thread.
Traveler1234
09-25-07, 19:43
One place I would suggest is Livingsone's in Soi33. You wouldn't have to be walking the street there as you can take the ladies straight up to your room. Check out Giotto's Forum under ASIA thread.
http://www.livingstones.co.th/
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=754
Long Time Boy
09-25-07, 23:39
Followed the crowd to Soi Eden (Sukhumvit Soi 7 (or is it 9) the one with Club Eden in it). Was not in the mood for a full on experience so passed on Eden.
Two new clubs (or at least to me). One called Magic Tables has girls in modified school uniforms dancing on top of mirrored and lighted tables and guess what, they have no nikkers on! Surprise.
Very pleasant way to spend some time and drink some beer. No one hassles and you have to ask for companionship and I guess everyone is on the menu. I was more interested in a rub down so went next door (on the rignt as you look from the street) to The Ring Fashion Massage.
Nice bar, reasonable girls. Aom appealed and up we went. Small clean room, shower attached and good air con. Usual type service good shower with plenty of attention, very oily massage body slides (not really long enough for me), toungue bath (again not long enough) and BBBJ and HJ.
AOM was nice. Slim figure, very small breasts cute and you wouldn't know she ahs a 6 year old kid. SErvice was pleasant. Massage too light from my taste although many perfer this. BBBJ was too soft for me, but the HJs (one to start and one to finish) were really good. Strong vigorous and so much oil that I nearly floated off the table!
All in all not too bad.
Keep rootin' 'n reportin'
LTB
Thanks for your report, LTB! Good info, and I'll check out those Soi 7/1 places today or tomorrow.
I went to Akane Fashion Massage yesterday. Great service (but no FS). There are two Akane places, one at Soi 33 and one right by the Chit Lom BTS station. The one near Chit Lom is on a short street (left hand side of that short street) on the side of Th. Ploenchit (extension of Sukhumvit) which is opposite the side that Nana Entertainment Plaza is on (although NEP is a few blocks away).
The service consists of shower (bath) on a table, oil massage and what they call "lip service" (which is some kissing/licking in various places, ending in HJ/BJ). I was enjoying it so much that I didn't notice whether or not the BJ was BBBJ. I've heard that 69 is possible during BJ, but my girl wouldn't go for it. She said she was "having accident" by which she meant having her period. I told her I'd come back in a few days, so we'll see if her "accident" is over.
I'm off to check out some other places, today. So I'll try to report again.
Take care, all
Great Guy
Dirty Benny
09-28-07, 03:36
After having had a horrifying experience in Cambodia last year in which i was imprisoned and extorted for having nude vids and pics of consenting adult girls, I am unsure of what the risks are in Thailand or China. Any advice or experience is appreciated. I am interested in BKK and Pattaya.
After having had a horrifying experience in Cambodia last year in which i was imprisoned and extorted for having nude vids and pics of consenting adult girls, I am unsure of what the risks are in Thailand or China. Any advice or experience is appreciated. I am interested in BKK and Pattaya.The same stands good in thai aslo. I am a frequent business traveller and I have sometimes seen the customs guys going thru you laptops & your DC. It does not matter, if your are just trourist taken pics., of your fun but they would view it as pronography.
In today tech world, If I have to do this, I would just up load these pics into my servers / emails these and would not like to have them in pocession.
I know of US immig / customs going thru you laptops if you come from SE Asia or a frequent vistor to these countires. I know a friend of fine who went thru hell once in JFK airport as he goes on a holiday 3 or 4 times to SE Asia.
Cheers
After having had a horrifying experience in Cambodia last year in which i was imprisoned and extorted for having nude vids and pics of consenting adult girls, I am unsure of what the risks are in Thailand or China. Any advice or experience is appreciated. I am interested in BKK and Pattaya.The same stands good in thai aslo. I am a frequent business traveller and I have sometimes seen the customs guys going thru you laptops & your DC. It does not matter, if your are just trourist taken pics., of your fun but they would view it as pronography.
In today tech world, If I have to do this, I would just up load these pics into my servers / emails these and would not like to have them in pocession.
I know of US immig / customs going thru you laptops if you come from SE Asia or a frequent vistor to these countires. I know a friend of fine who went thru hell once in JFK airport as he goes on a holiday 3 or 4 times to SE Asia.
Cheers
Ny Desiman
09-28-07, 22:05
Recently joined ISG.
Living in the States for a long time. Thinking about travelling to Thailand in November for some fun which is long overdue (if I say so myself).
I am originally from South East Asia. Not attached. Looking for some GF experience.
Would appreciate if fellow members give me some pointers to this junior member.
Crocodilexp
09-29-07, 00:18
After having had a horrifying experience in Cambodia last year in which i was imprisoned and extorted for having nude vids and pics of consenting adult girls, I am unsure of what the risks are in Thailand or China. Any advice or experience is appreciated. I am interested in BKK and Pattaya.DBE, could you please give a few more details, so I could assess my own risk. How did they find your photos in Cambodia? Were they in the camera? Were you going through customs?
I sometimes take naughty photos and videos of consenting adult girls in Thailand, but I make sure to follow these precautions:
* Ask the girl if it's OK to take photos once we're in the room, and respect her wishes. I usually ask girls to turn off mobiles before we start, so this reduces the chance of a set-up.
* Within an hour, transfer images to my laptop, and save them on an encrypted partition (Google for TrueCrypt). This still leaves traces, but we're into advanced computer forensics here, can't stumble on it by accident.
* Never post pictures on the net, or otherwise share them. I may send a non-nude photo to a good friend, but that's all.
Sorry if this is not the best forum to discuss the issue, but I'm replying to a submission on this thread.
Last Friday I had had my last night in Thailand, and I had to find some good long time. Stayed at Unico Leela Hotel, Nana was fully booked. It’s a bit far back in Soi 3 but still able to walk to Soi 7 in 10 minutes. I booked a so called superior room on Internet, paid 36 USD including buffet breakfast. It had a bath tub from which I benefited greatly later. But it seems to an industrial building which has been converted into a hotel by putting up inside walls, so you have rooms without windows. Service was good. The bell boy confirmed that it was no problem to bring girls back, and I saw a girl who picked up her ID when I checked in and condoms were available in the room as well.
On my previous trip to BKK I BF a girl at NEP, but it wasn’t a good experience, so checked out Beer Garden in Soi 7 this time. Actually thought it was an ordinary beer bar, but it’s a place for freelancers. And at least on Fridays it’s packed. A lot of girls, mostly average, but a few good looking ones as well. But I found it to early to take a LT back to the hotel. Just walked around in the Sois and along Sukhumvit Road were some really good lookers were passing by. Then I spotted a cutie sitting outside Starbucks, but she looked to young. On my way back she was still there, so I smiled and said hello. She asked if she could come with me and we went for a beer. She also asked if her friend could join us. They were actually 23 and 21 years old. But I think their petite size tricked me a bit. The 23 year old I first picked up was around 150 cm and thin. Her friend was hardly more than 140 cm. Needless to say; I ended up taking both for LT.
We walked back to the hotel were they left their ID in the reception. No problems to bring two girls to the room. So we had a lot of fun in the bath tub, all 3 of us before going to bed. They insisted on CBJ. Couldn’t understand why really, since I had no problem swapping pussies without changing condom. So didn’t do much BJ, just banged them. Came twice before going to sleep. The youngest one wanted to go home then, which was ok with me. I still had one for the morning fuck. Would probably sleep better with one girl in the bed as well. I should maybe have kept the youngest since she had the best body, and sent the oldest home. Had a good night sleep and a good shagging in the morning, and just manage to catch some breakfast before they closed at 10.
This was the first time I had two girls weighing less than me together. I’m 80 kg. Didn’t try out Eden in the afternoon the final day which was my back-up. Next time maybe.
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AsiaTraveler2
09-29-07, 16:47
recently joined isg.
living in the states for a long time. thinking about travelling to thailand in november for some fun which is long overdue (if i say so myself).
i am originally from south east asia. not attached. looking for some gf experience.
would appreciate if fellow members give me some pointers to this junior member.
ny,
when is your trip? if it's several months away, then the best advice i can give you, is to take a peek at the website a couple of times a week. in 2-3 months, you will have a very good idea what to do and where to go. the basics are the go-go bars, soapy massage, oil massage, coyote clubs, night clubs, gentlemens clubs and foot massage establishments. your question is rather broad, so it is difficult to tell what you know and where you want this to go. posts like your often get flamed, sorry to say.
follow the bangkok reports thread and the massage thread, and you will get most of the answers you seek. see the reports of distinction thread too. i myself, wish we had a "just the facts" thread, since the reports of distinction thread has many "story" type posts. they are interesting reads, but there are many who just want to get to the bottom line .. where to go and what to do.
i'm also going off the assumption that you did not partake in the p4p scene while you were in south east asia (possibly too young at the time or married). the good news, is it's almost impossible not to get a gfe during your stay in thailand. just be cool and be nice. the girls will be giving away their phone numbers and e-mail addresses.
good luck!
at2
Ny Desiman
09-29-07, 17:58
Thank you very much AsiaTraveler2. Much obliged.
My trips are 1 to 2 months way at most.
Yes, I have been reading the posts but it's easy to get lost.
You are right, I was too young before I came to the States.
I am looking for something upscale, and may be only one GF for the whole trip.
Thank you again for responding to my inquiry.
My latest exploits for fellow members:
Started the day at Akane (ChitLom) for a 2 hour special (THB2880) where 2 ladies will scrub and wash you in a plastic covered massage bed (comfortable) for a good 30 mins. They paid special attention to your john thomas and anal area. I closed my eyes to enjoy the session and both the girls continued to wash and tease and at one stage started to slowly finger my anus.(tried it for one minute and really knew it is not my thing).
We then proceeded to the massage room where both will strip down naked and start to rub you with lots of seaweed lotion (making one feel really mosturised) and whilst being massaged, both of them will tease with kisses and tit rubs. The action eventually went further as they started to proactively move my hand to rub their pussies and breasts. Whilst one would FK and allow you DATY, the other will use her breast to rub your john thomas doggy style (ie from the back pulling your john thomas from below). We then moved to allow me full fledged DATY whilst the other capped me and BJCIM with the cap on. Finished the deed and went to Chatuchak to meet up with some friends whom was looking around for a known tatoo artist.
Continued as a team (joined by my friends), we went to the Huay Kwang(MTR Station) area which has around 10 massage places and settled for Nataree. Previewed the selection both from the fishbowl and the younger ones sitting around the sofa and bar stools. There are around 30-40 girls to choose from and prices ranges from (THB2000-THB3200) depending on the ages and popularity.
Being a fan of large tits, I took one number A9 (Kat)(THB2000) as she is a natural with no silicones(as advertised heavily by the captain) and my friend took 46(THB2000) as his preference is always face first and then features second. Not to say my choice was a dog.
Went into the room and she started the bath running and we both started to drink Asahi beer whilst waiting for the water and we chatted with the usual customary talk of where I am from and how long am I staying in BKK. Service was SOP and nothing to shout about.
Continued with dinner at SomBoom Seafood Restaurant (which is a few doors away from Nataree) and we ordered chili prawns, bbq fish, noodles, oysters with eggs, spring rolls and beer with total damage of THB1200 for 3.
The night being young at 9pm, we went over to Claudia nightclub (next to SomBoom). The drinks package is THB10k for 7 bottles of Johnie Black. The selection of girls to drink and dance with you is about 25 girls and quite a number are SYTs. The rate is THB200 per hour for the girl to sit with you. We took 4 girls and drank Johnie bought during our previous trip. The bill still came up to THB9k and I realised its because one of my friends barfined his companion and costs THB3k. Claudia nightclub has 2 live bands singing alternatively with some good selection of songs and atmosphere is more bar like than go go bar feel. Crowd are mostly Singaporeans and Malaysians one would feel quite cosy.
We proceeded to NEP and went straight to Rainbow 4 as IMHO, they have the best looking girls. We barfined one girl and took a cab to Soi Cowboy area and went straight to LongGun Bar. Their dancers are very good and professional and with some having very strong gymnastic skills around the dancing pole.
Had a good night and will report my next FR soon.
FD
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Would like to recommend a new "find"........ well, new for me anyway ! Tilac a Go Go in Soi Cowboy.
Was entertaining a not so frequent visitor to LOS and my usual MO is to take people to tried and tested haunts of ill repute. I always like to ensure said guests are well taken care of so I like to stick with those places I know will give good service, play good music and wont rip u off.
However, on this occassion, whilst traversing the aformentioned haunts, my visitor made eye contact with a rather fine specimen sitting outside Tilac so we decided to chance it and ventured inside. I can only say, it was well worth the experience ! Quality of girls was very acceptable, lots of choice and music was ok. Sat down, got the drinks in and scoped the scenery for anything that looked worth buying a drink for. Very quickly, I made my choice, got the eye contact going with a few exchanged smiles and over she came when she got off the pole. After some small talk, she was worth spending a bit more time with, so bought her a drink. By this time, my buddy had his sitting next to him with a drink and one of her mates so he was well settled in.
As the evening progressed, things were starting to look good for a bar fine for my choice and buddy was well into his pair too. By this time, we had already ensured Mamasan had been bought a few drinks too (thats to ensure the good service) so decided to get down to the negotiations. Bar fine was 500 and mine was asking for 1500 all nite. Buddy was up for it too so I told him pick one of his. To cut a long story short, he couldnt make up his mind, so took them both. I was going to take mine to PB Hotel which is cheap and clean (and has mirrors on the ceiling :D ) but buddy suggested we all party on back in his room cuz he had a suite......... why not I thought !
We all hopped in a taxi and soon got up to buddys room after a quick chat and 200 baht for Mr Security. The hotel is one I use regularly for guests so I like to keep them sweet too.
There were a couple of nice big beds in the room so buddy got down on one with his two and I had soon got mine disrobed on the other. Lots of kissing then down for a bit of DATY which I always enjoy, then suddenly felt a tongue lapping at my balls ! Buddy was already bouncing the springs with one of his and the other one was feeling neglected, so came over to join in with us........ and I wasnt gonna stop her ! She quickly moved on to a fantastic BBBJ at which point I thought I was gonna shoot my load. My one was getting nicely juiced up by now so thought it was about time for her to get serviced. While I'm lying down slipping the wellie on she's squatting over me ready for some cowgirl so in it slips. Neglected one obviously doesnt want to get left out this time, so she straddles my face for some oral entertainment of her own. Whilst mine is bouncing up and down on me for all her life, I catch a reflection in the mirror of her and neglected (although she isnt by this time :D ) swallowing each others tongues like they havent eaten for a week ! It was all too much for me so I emptied a good load in mine. I thought we were all done, but whilst my two left me to recover, they carried on with some double DATY until they both apparently came. By this time, buddy had sorted his one out and they were showering together. When they finished, me, my one and neglected all popped in the bathroom for a thorough joint soaping. Finished that then back into the room for a few more drinks and chat. I had a quick word with buddy that no one had done neglected yet, so he should try his best to get it up and get his money's worth. I suggested mine and neglected get some action going for him (he'd missed it as he was obviously too busy with his) which they kindly obliged for a while and he was soon pumping away at neglected for all he was worth whilst mine is rimming him. I'd been quite enjoying the lesbo action too, so by now little Maars was standing at attention which caught the eye of buddy's first choice. Not to be left out, she goes down for a BJ but I'm already up for some pussy so quickly turn her round and do her doggie on the floor while she is up against the bed. I'm engrossed in my action, but made a quick check on buddy to make sure he was still ok........ needn't have bothered as he was......... neglected was positioned doggie style against the bed, with mine (not exactly the correct desription by this time, but u know who I mean) standing over her, both of them with their pussy's available in the direction of buddy, who's obliging both of them with a few thrusts each ! Shit, all too much for me, so promptly shot my load. By this time, we are all totally fucked so everyone falls asleep in whatever bed they have just finished on. When I woke up a few hours later, mine was in bed with me and buddy is there with his and neglected, so they must have sorted themselves out in the middle of the night. Buddy needed to check out, so after a quickie with mine (I'm not sure if he did his or neglected), baht was exchanged and we were both left with fantastic memories of One Night in Bangkok and another house of ill repute to add to the visitors list !
Asian Rain
09-30-07, 15:09
Tried out The Magic Table, located next to Bangkok's famous fuck shop Eden Club on Sukhimvit Soi 7/1. Small bar with three piers of tables fitted with mirrors and upward-pointing lights. Girls wearing shortened schoolgirl uniforms dance on the tables. None of the girls are wearing panties. All of the girls had cleanly shaved pussies. The girls rotate dance sets and perform a basic routine. Some dancers were more enthusiastic, squatting nicely for superb views of their bare beavers.
Atmosphere was casual. Drinks were cheap. No pressure to tip the dancers or other bullshit. It felt like an intimate version of Soi Cowboy's Baccara go go bar. There were a couple of cuties and one was definitely fuckable. Usual barfine system applies if you want to take out, which I personally didn't as I had something else on (my regular 2-hour bargain 400 bhat straight up foot+head/shoulder massage at Tarntip Massage on the other side of Eden).
To illustrate The Magic Table experience, I took a couple pics with my phone camera pointing down onto the mirror. You'll get the point. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain+
Dirty Benny
09-30-07, 16:26
You can check my posts in the Cambodian board for details....i was not setup by the girl as she was imprisoned as well. I showed them to no one. They were never posted or shared. I had minidv tapes that the Cambodian police went through after what I figure was a tipoff by the hotel or my taxidriver. Not exactly sure but a life-altering experience. Sounds like i should leave the camera home in Thailand. Still paranoid to beat the band.
DBE, could you please give a few more details, so I could assess my own risk. How did they find your photos in Cambodia? Were they in the camera? Were you going through customs?
I sometimes take naughty photos and videos of consenting adult girls in Thailand, but I make sure to follow these precautions:
* Ask the girl if it's OK to take photos once we're in the room, and respect her wishes. I usually ask girls to turn off mobiles before we start, so this reduces the chance of a set-up.
* Within an hour, transfer images to my laptop, and save them on an encrypted partition (Google for TrueCrypt). This still leaves traces, but we're into advanced computer forensics here, can't stumble on it by accident.
* Never post pictures on the net, or otherwise share them. I may send a non-nude photo to a good friend, but that's all.
Sorry if this is not the best forum to discuss the issue, but I'm replying to a submission on this thread.
Member #3409
09-30-07, 16:31
Tried out The Magic Table, located next to Bangkok's famous fuck shop Eden Club on Sukhimvit Soi 7. Small bar with three piers of tables fitted with mirrors and upward-pointing lights. Girls wearing shortened schoolgirl uniforms dance on the tables. None of the girls are wearing panties. All of the girls had cleanly shaved pussies. The girls rotate dance sets and perform a basic routine. Some dancers were more enthusiastic, squatting nicely for superb views of their bare beavers.
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If it is next to Eden then it will be in Soi 7/1. Soi 7 is not the same place.
Would like to recommend a new "find"........ well, new for me anyway ! Tilac a Go Go in Soi Cowboy.
Was entertaining a not so frequent visitor to LOS and my usual MO is to take people to tried and tested haunts of ill repute. I always like to ensure said guests are well taken care of so I like to stick with those places I know will give good service, play good music and wont rip u off. . . .I guess being a good host has it's rewards! I would definitely check this place out when I get to BKK during the Dec holidays (Dec 19 - 25). If you are there (maybe you live or work in BKK) please PM me your info as I could use your expertise. BTW, which hotel did you & your buddy use?
Undercoverh
09-30-07, 21:23
9-30-07 11:41:20
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - A bomb exploded outside army headquarters in the Thai capital on Sunday night, injuring two police officers, authorities said.
The officers had been alerted that someone planted a suspicious package in a phone booth near the army compound, Police Col. Saranyu Prathumraj said. As the officers were attempting to diffuse the device, it went off and injured them, Saranyu said.
No one claimed responsibility for the bomb which exploded a day before Gen. Anupong Paochinda was set to replace outgoing army chief and coup leader Gen. Sonthi Boonyaratglin.
While the motive remained unclear, Thailand has been rocked by both political instability following a military coup in September 2006 which ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, and a bloody Muslim insurgency in its southernmost provinces.
Nine bombs exploded in the Thai capital on New Year's Eve, killing three people and wounding more than 40. Authorities have yet to unravel the motives behind the attacks or arrest the perpetrators but it is generally believed that politics rather than the insurgency were responsible for the bombings.
The military-installed government also has said that followers of the exiled ex-prime minister are trying to create an atmosphere of instability in the country which could facilitate his return to power.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press.
Evil Penivel
10-01-07, 12:23
Please note- this report will make a lot more sense if you have first read Part 1 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500292&postcount=1198), Part 2 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=501708&highlight=Nana+Car+Park#post501708) and Part 3 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=625922&highlight=Nana+Car+Park#post625922).
Evil (and thanks for your patience if you make it through this one!)
As we made ready to leave the fold-up eatery, a guy I'd been talking with earlier gave me the thumbs up and smiled knowingly. He was part of a group of five that hailed from the coal fields of West Virginia. I could tell they had worked damn tough jobs - I noticed an assortment of visible scars on their faces and forearms, several had missing finger tips, and the oldest wheezed with what was probably black lung. They'd been saving a long time for their vacation in pussy paradise and the women had astounded them beyond their wildest expectations. But they were very disappointed with another aspect of the Bangkok scene. Under the new and stricter rules for bars in Thailand, they couldn't be served alcohol because they were miners.
Da and I stepped to the curb and quickly caught a cab that took us to the U-turn at Soi 20 and then back tracked to Soi 18. She was a little apprehensive as I kept motioning the driver "forward, forward!" to the end of the soi, but was reassured by the appearance of the lobby of the Town Lodge. She was enthralled by the jacuzzi suite and literally clapped her hands at the size of the tub.
The disadvantage of a big jacuzzi is the time it takes to fill it, so as the water ran, Da and I returned to the room's sitting area for a chat. She asked if she could have something to drink from the mini-bar and I told her to take her pick. She grabbed a Heineken, but I figured I'd had enough beer and chose a Diet Coke. We sat on the sofa and sipped our drinks as the water ran full-blast into the jacuzzi.
In response to my questions, Da said she'd been doing "many things" since our first brief and non-sexual encounter. She mainly supported herself through buying and then re-selling various sorts of merchandise, usually in cooperation with her brother. Sometimes she helped out in various small shops owned by family members or friends. It was only when she - or more accurately stated, her family - needed extra money that she resorted to the Sukhumvit stroll. She didn't express it in exactly those words, but that's the broad outline I drew from her answers.
Her English was better than many TGs and that was, as I suspected, attributable to a long-term live-in relationship with a native English speaker. She'd been very happy during the year she'd spent with him. They'd had a nice apartment, he'd paid a generous amount of support to her family each month and had generally taken good care of her. Life had been sweet. But when he met a lady he liked better, he'd kicked her out almost overnight. That had dealt a serious blow to her personal finances, as she'd been passing on virtually all the sponsorship money to her family and had saved nothing for herself. If she were to continue sending money back home every month, she'd have to start selling pussy again as well as flogging clothes and kitchen gadgets. It was at that point in time and space that I'd met up with her again.
The jacuzzi had filled nicely and the water was at a good temperature, so we showered quickly and hopped into the tub to relax. The jacuzzi jets shot out water at fairly high pressure, so the massage effect was noticeable. She'd finished her first beer before we got into the tub, but took a second Heineken to drink while we soaked. Maybe she really liked beer, but I suspected to may have had more to do with needing at least a mild alcohol buzz before having sex with a farang who was more than twice her age. I exited the jacuzzi first, sponged off in the shower, then flopped down on the bed. I reached for a bottle of after shave lotion on the headboard and splashed some on because TGs are always sensitive to smell.
Da joined me a few minutes later after what I assumed was the customary feminine wash up. The sex was certainly good, but nothing special - an adequate, if uninspired, version of the free-lancer canon. We finished; she, then I, showered again and returned to bed.
"You want more? " Da asked in a rather drowsy voice.
"No thank you, sweetheart," I told her."You go to sleep." As Sir Lancelot might have said, once a night is enough.
She kissed me and rolled over, still holding my hand. I waited a few minutes for her to settle down, then disentangled myself and moved to the desk on which I had set up my laptop. After my long evening nap, I wasn't really tired, at least not enough to sleep again. It was then about 4.00 a.m. and I checked and answered email and surfed the Web until about 6.00 a.m, when Da awoke and stumbled sleepily into the toilet.
When she came out, she complained her stomach hurt - bad. From what I could gather, it was some form of acid indigestion. I gave her the only remedy I had at hand - old-fashioned Alka-Seltzer, the effervescent tablets you drop in half a glass of water. She didn't much like the taste - "Too salty!" - or the sensation in her mouth, but drank it down. In a few minutes, she announced "Your medicine good," and was ready to go back to bed. I was feeling tired myself at that point lf and crawled into bed as well.
As I waited to fall asleep, I felt hollow inside. Empty. Drained, but not in a good way. I couldn't really put my finger on what was wrong, but I figured I wouldn't be seeing Da again. Nothing had gone amiss, - it just seemed meaningless.Perhaps I'd become jaded after too many years of mongering. Maybe it was only that I "think too mut"but it was with those gloomy ideas that I drifted into sleep.
The next few hours would prove me wrong I would see Da for several more days and it would be one of the more interesting and enlightening experiences I've had in Thailand.
Life and Death at Bumrungrad
I awoke a few hours later to Da poking me in the ribs and crying in pain. Her stomach hurt very badly, she said. She took my hand and placed it just under her breast bone, where the esophagus connects with the mouth of the stomach. I don't know if it was the stomach or the esophagus, but something inside her was spasming and I could feel it clearly. It scared the hell out of me. I didn't know whether the spasms were serious or not, but they definitely weren't right.
Of course I was worried about her but also about myself. If worst came to worst, I didn't at all fancy explaining to the BiB why there was a dead TG in my hotel room. In just a few minutes the stomach condition - whatever it was - had gotten worse for her and she was now howling in pain. I pulled on some clothes, stepped out in the hall and asked one of the maids I saw to stay with Da while I went down to the reception. I asked the desk clerk if she could summon a doctor because my girlfriend (what else was I going to call her?) was very sick. That wasn't possible, the clerk said.
"What we do instead?" I asked.
"Go hospital."
"OK. You call ambulance."
"No have."
"Whaaaaat?"
"No have ambulance."
I didn't know if she meant there really wasn't a public ambulance service in BKK or simply that she didn't know the number to call. But this was Thailand, no point in freaking out over an unexpected reply.
"What we do instead?'' I asked once again, as calmly as I could. "She bad sick."
"Taxi," was the answer.
So the hotel tuk-tuk driver was sent in pursuit of a cab and I went back up to the room to see what was happening with Da. She was screaming and her back was arched - I was afraid she was going into convulsions. The maids - several more had tuned up - were doing there best to comfort her.
Da was in no shape to walk down a flight of stairs, even a short one. I sent one of maids to wait for the return of tuk-tuk driver. He'd have to help me carry her to the taxi. I grabbed my passport, money, credit cards and my U.S. insurance card from the inroom safe. Da was crying from the pain and she was dressed only in a bathrobe. I intended to put her clothes in bag and take them with us to the hospital, but at that point, the tuk-tuk driver stepped into the room. He picked her up by himself and carried her to the cab. Not wanting to lose any time, I didn't bothe r about her clothes. She'd be making the trip to - and hopefully back from - the hospital clad only in a bathrobe.
I expected the cab driver to put up a fuss about transporting an obviously sick girl or at least demand extra pay for it. But he didn't say anything at all, just tried to drive to as fast as he could to Bumrumgrad on Soi 3. I'd have thought there would have been a closer hospital to Soi 18 but for whatever reason, the staff at the hotel and Da had decided Bumrungrad was best. It took the driver about 15 minutes to traverse the distance, part of the ride going down in best Hollywood style. He had one hand on the horn and his foot pressing hard on the gas pedal most of the time, even driving against the traff ic on a one-way soi for half a block to get a less crowded street.
As soon as we pulled into the emergency area of Bumrungrad, two male nurses lifted Da over to a transport cart and had rushed her inside before I had even gotten out of the cab. I paid the driver 100 baht, he thanked me and I think he wished me luck in Thai. Inside the emergency room, Da was already being examined in a curtained off cubicle. A nurse asked me a few questions and I told her I would assume financial responsibility for the treatment. She seemed satisfied and there were no more formalities for the moment. It sure as hell wouldn't have gone that fast at any hospital in the U.S.
The nurse directed me to a waiting area just off the emergency room. The odd thing was that I could see everything that was happening in the emergency room. Not, of course, in the curtained examination bays, but I had a clear view of the patients as they came in and it was sometimes very grim. A few minutes after I sat down, a young Asian man and woman were brought in, horribly mangled in what must have been a motorcycle accident. The man was quickly examined in cubicle and stripped of his clothes, then rushed out of the emergency room, presumably to surgery. The young woman left about 30 minutes later, covered by a white sheet. An elderly, lifeless-looking Middle Eastern man in a wheelchair was brought by four family members. He also left the examination bay under a white sheet, probably dead on arrival. His family began wailing their grief, but the Thai staff wouldn't allow them to accompany the body to the hospital's morgue. They were led, still wailing, to somewhere else.
This was too much real life for me and a sure-fire way to shatter any semblance of vacation spirit I still retained. I asked a nurse if there was somewhere else I could sit. She directed me to the cashier's area. I guess she didn't want me to get too far away before I'd paid. I also asked her if she knew what was wrong with Da.
"Indigestion," she answered.
"Is it bad?"
"No."
"Will she need to stay in the hospital?"
"No."
"How much longer long will it take?"
"Not long," she said with a shrug of her shoulders.
I sat for the next hour facing the two rather severe young men behind the cashier's counter. They didn't appear interested in chit-chat. I did have a conversation with another farang who was settling his bill for treatment of a sprained ankle. He was a professor of Judaic studies from a U.S. university who'd been doing a long-term research project in China. Apparently there had been several very active Jewish communities in China during the Middle Ages, especially in the city of Kaifeng. They proved very adaptable, especially regarding kosher dietary restrictions. While they continued to regard pork as forbidden, they accepted dog meat - a staple in that part of China. Over the centuries they assimilated into the local population and lost all knowledge of the Jewish religion, but still retained some customs and preferences from the old days, the professor said. Among the present-day offspring of the Jews of Kaifeng, a favorite breakfast dish is cream cheese on beagles.
Suddenly Da emerged into the cashier's area, seated in a wheel chair pushed by a nurse's assistant. She was smiling, happy to be out of pain. I was happy too that whatever it had been was apparently over. I gave her a kiss on the check and stepped up to the cashier's counter. One of the clerks handed me the bill: 2,700 baht, including the medicine she needed. I had been expecting 10,000 and had mentally prepared myself for more, so I figured I'd gotten off cheap. Her name didn't appear anywhere on the bill, and I'd be able to claim it all back on my insurance.
With Da still clad only in the hotel's bathrobe, the nurse's assistant pushed her to the hospital's entrance and we caught a taxi back to the Town Lodge. Inside the cab, she immediately hugged me tighter than I've ever been hugged before.
"Thank you, thank you," she whispered. "Without you, I think I dead now."
She cried softly all the way back - tears of joy she was still alive. Somewhat overdone, I thought. Acid reflux is a damn painful condition, but I don't believe it is life-threatening. There was no way I could convince her of that and she clung to me like a drowning sailor to a buoy. When we arrived at the Town Lodge, she had to make her way through the lobby and up the stairs. The hotel staff were relieved and all smiles that she was back OK, but a couple of punters were clearly amazed. The guests at the TL are 95% hardcore mongers, but it's not every day you see a girl arriving at midday dressed only in bathrobe, even in Bangkok. One guy's jaw dropped almost to his chest and another shook his head in astonishment.
Back in the room, Da immediately dashed into the shower. She emerged a few minutes later, a towel wrapped around her. She hugged me once more and began crying again, thanking me profusely for helping her. She promised she'd pay me back the money I'd spent on the hospital. She also said she'd "do anything" for me the rest of the time I was in Bangkok.
I told that she didn't need to pay me and whether she wanted to stay with me or go was entirely up to her. I explained that almost a year ago to the day, a Thai girl
- Gina of Eden Club fame - had stayed by my side when I was seriously ill (also with a stomach ailment) and saw to it I got the help I needed. It was karma that I should help her and rather than owing me anything, she had enabled me to repay a karmic debt.. She seemed to understand and we just sat embracing for a long time, each of us pondering the odd but appropriate way life sometimes works.
Satori in Bangkok
It took Da about 24 hours to regain her strength and she did indeed stay with me the remaining four days I was in Bangkok. The hollow feeling evaporated and it turned into a total girl-friend experience, with Da catering to my every need, sexual and otherwise. I guess there's nothing like the perception of a near-death experience to create intimacy. She told me again and again, "you want me do something, you ask me, OK?" I'm sure she would have done just about anything, but it somehow just didn't seem right to try any kinky experiments. The sex was very affectionate and fulfilling, but nothing like the nerve-tingling sessions I'd become accustomed to with the ladies of Eden.
It took Da about 24 hours to regain her strength and she did indeed stay with me the remaining four days I was in Bangkok. It turned into the total girl-friend experience, with Da catering to my every need, sexual and otherwise. I guess there’s nothing like the perception of a near-death experience to create intimacy. She told me again and again, “you want me do something, you ask me, OK?” I’m sure she would have done just about anything, but it somehow just didn’t seem right to try any kinky experiments. The sex was very affectionate and fulfilling, but nothing like the nerve-tingling sessions I’d become accustomed to with the ladies of Eden.
But the conversations we had I count among my absolute best mongering memories. Somehow, the trip to the hospital had created a bond between us.For those few days, it did seem like we had surmounted a lot of the barriers that separate older mongers from Thai girls - age, culture and language among the foremost.
She gave me a lot of insight into the world of free lancers. She'd tried to "work bar" several times, but hated it because of the inevitable fights with other girls and the never-ending stream of unpleasant customers. She didn't mind cheap Charlies so much - that was an occupational hazard. It was the crazy Charlies she feared - the ones who'd suddenly get violent without apparent cause. Next worst were the guys who tried to cheat her out of at least part of her hard-earned fee. She almost never went with a customer who wanted to use a short-time hotel because they were the ones who were most likely to argue about compensation or pull an out-and-out runner. Then came the "stinky men," the ones with poor hygiene. She said some guys stunk even after they'd taken showers. I don't want to ignite a lot of flaming, so suffice it to say that in Da's mind, body odor and ethnicity went hand-in-hand.
She said Japanese and English-speaking farangs were her favorite customers. Japanese men always paid well, smelled good and never tried to gip the girls. They seldom wanted the girl to stay long time, which she also considered an advantage. I asked her about the "2-3-4" rule: two inches; three minutes; 4,000 baht. She said she'd never heard that, but laughed and acknowledged it was "something true."
However, her explanation of high fees from Japanese is different than the usual one of them being lame-dupe overpayers. According to Da, Japanese men "fuck quickly but come many times." The higher relative fee covers three or four pops in an hour or so. This meshes well with the Asian concept of virility, which is at odds with the Western pattern of one poke with many, many strokes. A virile Japanese man comes fast, but also gets it up quickly again and rolls her over, lays her down and does it again. She agreed completely about the size of the sons of the Rising Sun, though.
"Very cute," she said, holiding her thumb and forefinger about one-and-a half inches apart. "Like baby."
She also told me some cheap Charlie horror stories, another reason why girls nowadays are hesitant about long time. One guy who took her traveling for a few days urged her to steal food from the breakfast buffet, or at least eat a lot, because they weren't going to have lunch. In the evening, he gave her 20 baht with which to buy something to eat while he went to a restaurant alone. She said she had one sure test to reveal which guys were cheap at heart. As soon as they got back to his room, she asked for a Coke from the mini-bar. If he gave her one, she knew he wasn't tight wad. But the guys who refused - whether it was because they hadn't had the foresight to stock up at 7-11 or because they were really concerned about an extra few baht - usually turned out to be bad customers, she said.
It was a fascinating glimpse into a side of mongering about which I hadn't thought too much. She lived a precarious existence and more than once she'd feared that the last sight she'd see would be the madness in an over-excited customer's eyes. Da wasn't asking for much from life - a decent income so she could support herself and help take care of her family. It seemed unfair that those modest goals were so difficult for her to achieve.
The day I departed LOS, I had a late-night flight to catch. Da cried the entire cab trip to the airport. She’d adamantly refused to take any more money from me, but I insisted once we were inside the terminal.
“For your family,” I reminded her and she thanked me with more tears and hugs. After I checked in and paid the departure fee, we said our final good-byes. She made me promise I'd call her next time I was in Bangkok. She hugged me one last time and I walked through the entrance to the Immigration Control.
I never saw her again.
Epilogue
Da had given me her cell phone number and her email address and we stayed in regular contact for a few months. She thanked me over and over again, always telling me how much she missed me and asking when I’d be back in Bangkok. She claimed not to be free-lancing any more, but was only taking whatever legit work she could find. Her stomach problems hadn’t returned. She never asked me for any money.
Then the emails from her stopped and mine went unanswered. I tried calling her, but I only got a message that the number wasn’t in service.Perhaps she'd found a husband or at least had gotten her life ordered to the degree she didn't need to keep in contact with farang mongers. But who knows - maybe a motorbike accident or something even worse had claimed her.
I wonder each time when I'm back in Bangkok if I'll run into her again. It hasn't happened yet and probably never will. Whether she's in this world or the next, I hope she's found that which she was seeking.
-End-
Another excellent and amusing story, Evil, and you left me wondering if you ever told those miners who could not buy alcohol that, in Thailand, they could always enjoy some cream cheese on Beagles instead. :)
Regards,
Daddy
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As we made ready to leave the fold-up eatery...
Evil Penivel,
Great report(s), a really good read. Thanks for all the effort to write it.
Giotto
Evil, another fine stroke of the Evil Pen.
My hat off to you, sir.
Hi all,
I heard from a friend that there a couple of places in BKK (perhaps the Hyatt hotel, but not sure) where a number of "already-set" ladies (ie have the money, the car and so on) hang out to meet nice guys to bang. Basically it seems that these non working girls are horny and are not looking for $$ just for a nice guy to screw. Any pointers as to the places where to meet such women in BKK ?
Cheers,
ArchieLeach
10-02-07, 09:38
Great story Evil. I had been waiting for it and it was well worth the wait.
Archie
M P Lurker
10-02-07, 12:12
She almost never went with a customer who wanted to use a short-time hotel because they were the ones who were most likely to argue about compensation or pull an out-and-out runner. Then came the "stinky men," the ones with poor hygiene. She said some guys stunk even after they'd taken showers. I don't want to ignite a lot of flaming, so suffice it to say that in Da's mind, body odor and ethnicity went hand-in-hand.
I have never had much difficulty taking a free-lancer, bar girl or whatever to a short time Hotel. They understand there are reasons to be embarassed about using my normal Hotel, whatever the reason might be.
I think if you are clean and speak nicely they are willing to go to any place that they feel safe. In some cases we never even discussed the price.
Guys, its easy to be a "prince" among "frogs" even without being incredibly good looking. I find picking up free-lancers very easy because of the extremely poor quality of most of the guys that I am competing against.
Free Lancers don't have to go with guys that smell and they may well refuse guys with bad attitude.
In my early days I was stupid. Met 2 girls in the Thermae. Both very pretty so deciding which one was tough. In the end chose the non-smoker 'lek'. We then had to hang around in the Thermae bar for ages while the other girl 'nit' gave many arrogant guys the big brush off. It was very difficult for her to find a guy good enough with a good attitude.
2nd night at the Thermae, same thing. I went with same girl lek but had to wait for ages for her friend to find a guy acceptable, and I can't remember if she actually got hooked up or not.
My experienced mate explained to me later, I probably should have taken both girls, and I would have got a more sex and still plenty of sleep instead of hanging around the smoky Thermae.
After the 2 girls got enough money together (day time clothing sales didn't pay well) they dissappeared home to Phitsanulok, and I was upset to lose them. Lek was voracious in bed and had very wide beautiful volcanoes on her chest, although she was a showoff.
PosterLion
10-02-07, 17:56
Guys, its easy to be a "prince" among "frogs" even without being incredibly good looking. I find picking up free-lancers very easy because of the extremely poor quality of most of the guys that I am competing against.
I am making this post with a penitent heart. Yes . . . I now know the fullness of my sins against this Holy Board. I have been writing sappy desperate sounding stories about little dogs and kings when I should have been writing about the Holiest of Wholes, where to find them, and how to make them become more than a mere apparition.
Therefore, I'd just like to say that ML is 100% correct. It's easy! Just take a shower, keep your nails well clipped, and go buy yourself a couple of button down shirts at Big C for 200 Baht each.
After that it's just a matter of smiling beautifully and speaking well. I've never had a problem taking a girl to the location of my choice. Yes Sir! Mick's right!
Also, I'm sure there's at least one other NON-FROG posting here. ;)
poster . . .
P.S. Hey G-Mann, i sent a reply to you concerning my next act of penance.
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Also, I'm sure there's at least one other NON-FROG posting here. ;)
poster . . .
P.S. Hey G-Mann, i sent a reply to you concerning my next act of penance.PosterLion,
Welcome back. LOL.
You are a prince, and I am sure about that. I am amongst the frogs ... :).
See you soon.
Giotto
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Guys, its easy to be a "prince" among "frogs" even without being incredibly good looking. I find picking up free-lancers very easy because of the extremely poor quality of most of the guys that I am competing against.
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Mick Licker,
I needed some time to recover from the ROFLMAO attack when I read that. "...because of the extremely poor quality...".
Yep, nothing to add.
The [forum] sharks will now tear you apart. Oh, sorry, I mean the frogs... You then come to the Swimming Pool Party to Livingstone's, my Prince. Let's have some fun :) .
Giotto
Evil, kudos on your magnificent reports, they're a pleasure to read. I love the clever turns of phrase ("a flourish of strumpets" is my fave) and the evocative writing. Well done, keep on writing!
Please note- this report will make a lot more sense if you have first read Part 1 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500292&postcount=1198), Part 2 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=501708&highlight=Nana+Car+Park#post501708) and Part 3 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=625922&highlight=Nana+Car+Park#post625922).
Evil (and thanks for your patience if you make it through this one!)
NicFrenchy
10-03-07, 05:30
Guys, its easy to be a "prince" among "frogs" even without being incredibly good looking. [Sobbing] well, I have to admit, I AM a Frog. It's pretty obvious, one just needs a quick glance at my name LOL [end of Sobbing]
I am not very much in the Freelancer market, but why would you have to wait until the other girl got a client?
[Sobbing] well, I have to admit, I AM a Frog. It's pretty obvious, one just needs a quick glance at my name LOL [end of Sobbing]
I am not very much in the Freelancer market, but why would you have to wait until the other girl got a client?
Now now... je ne suis pas un grenouille mais je les aime!
I am not very much in the Freelancer market, but why would you have to wait until the other girl got a client?
The girl was probably scared to stay in Thermae by herself.
I think I would've taken both rather than wait.
I know that Vietnam or Cambodia is the place to find them, but I am going to be in BKK. I am just wondering if there are any places that might have Viet girls?
Thanks in advance
Double Shooter
10-03-07, 22:41
It had been many a year since the Shooter visited Bangkok. After a particularly doleful period in various unpleasant places, he decided that it would be a rejuvenating, energising, and above all, testicle-emptying experience.
Reading an article on China, he noted that expats now refer to Beijing as “The Jing”. So surely it is highly appropriate to call BKK “The Kok”.
The Shooter had only a few days to spare, and fearing to mingle with the tattoo-and-chips holiday brigade, he opted to treat himself to a business class bum-lodging on Emirates, and 5-start billeting at the JW Marriott. The Shooter can confirm previous reports that this is an excellent hotel, and totally guest friendly. However, if what you are seeking is purely a commodious sleep-and–shagging station, at THB6800 there are surely more cost-effective alternatives.
The trip from airport to hotel was simplicity itself. Downstairs to the taxi rank. The cute young attendant asked what hotel, she wrote it on a slip of paper and handed it over with a prolonged unsmiling gaze. In the UK, it would be interpreted as a “death stare”, but that doesn’t exist in Asian culture. What could it mean? The Shooter shrugged it off, and 15 mins and THB400 later, he was at the hotel.
By 2pm the Shooter was ready to prowl. But what would be the perfect initialisation routine? The Shooter had performed a massive amount of research, but had committed the cardinal error of failing to design an itinerary. So where to go first? Analysis Paralysis. Fortunately, the Shooter’s long-time wingman, the Accountant had arrived the day before. An intensely logical fellow, he would be sure to find the optimum solution.
The afternoon timing suggested a massage joint. Soapy or oily? If oily, what point along the ‘sexiness’ scale should one go? Having just disembarked from a long journey, a legit massage was logical, but one with a guaranteed happy ending. Hence Sazanka was selected. In retrospect, the Eden Club would have been a better choice. Get the ‘Big One’ out of the way first, when the fuel tank is full; otherwise you never feel quite up to it.
Sazanka was easy to find in Washington Square. But at 4pm there were few choices, only about 5 ladies. Each had a rating. The Shooter selected the top-ranked one, but that was the somewhat unimpressive score of 28%. She was cute until she smiled. Nature had not nurtured her knashers. A case of unorthodox orthodontics. The desirability of a BJ receded in the Shooter’s mind.
Note that this joint has a 2-location massage. First upstairs to disrobe. Then downstairs to the wet room. This is where you are washed, scrubbed and salted. Then back upstairs for the massage, which is mostly under hot towels. This is how the Koreans like it, apparently. The Shooter was unimpressed. The guy down the hall was having fun however: gales of laughter. Probably he got Miss 72%.
Well, Sazanka has received some serious praise on this forum, but the Shooter’s experience was average. This is not a place to include in a 4-day itinerary. YMMV. Massage is intended to be invigorating & cleansing, which it is, but it is definitely not sensual. The HJ was skilful but impersonal. She sat at the end of the massage table so that the ‘feel-up’ facility was unavailable.
Above all, do not visit a HJ parlour with several days’ sperm inventory – you just cannot hold it for long and you miss out on the delicious build-up techniques so glowingly described by previous posters.
Cost was THB1380 for the ‘full monty’ 2 hour massage. Tipped 500.
How had the Accountant fared? As a massage aficionado, surely his experience was superior. Imagine the Shooter’s amazement when he meekly confessed that despite strenuous and skilful ministrations, his member had not coughed. This was not due to shagged-out syndrome. The Accountant applies the same rigid control to his jism as his finances. There can be no outgoings unless he is in control. Which means he has never come from a HJ or BJ, unless self-administered. But he really enjoyed it anyway, and he tipped 300, as calculated by his computer model. Truly a rare individual.
The strenuous massage and the sudden loss of semen had left the Shooter in dire need of sustenance. So on the way back to the hotel the intrepid duo stopped off at Nana Entertainment Plaza. The beer bars were full, so hopped over the road to Annie’s Bar. Spotted the legendary Annie’s Massage close by; made a note. Annie’s Bar was very quiet, but the Accountant was soon enraptured by a slim 19-year-old with a different ‘look’. He soon set about enticing her back to his lair; not too difficult a task, surmised the Shooter.
The Shooter was lumbered with her 24-year-old mate, whose scintillating conversation included nary a word of English. Nevertheless, there was a connection, she possessed a certain je ne said quoi, and the Shooter readily agreed to the Accountant’s proposition of a short time at the hotel. He applied the Black-Scholes formula to derive the ST price of 1500.
Back to Marriott to test out the bedsprings for the first time. What an excellent experience. Grappling like teenagers on the bed, followed by a fumbling disrobing, and the delightful discovery of a very wet pussy. Welcome to Thailand. No time for a shower, straight into sucky fucky in many and varied positions, eventually completing in highly satisfactory fashion. Tremendous stuff and real GFE.
At last the Shooter realised why people like to come to Thailand. Why the fuck did he arrange only a 4 day sojourn?
The Accountant’s experience was similar. He took her number and estimated at 87.4% chance of hooking up with her again.
There was still time to catch a few beers in NEP. Hit several bars. Some sucked and some didn’t. Angelwitch was the best of those visited. The Shooter was pleased to note that his ladyboy radar was fully operational, even after many years’ absence. In this respect he was able to rescue the hapless Accountant from several unwise hook-ups.
It was fun to stand in the street and watch the zoo at closing time. Men, women katoeys and elephants. Buzzed by sex & alcohol, the Shooter was in benign spirits. Bless ‘em all, the long and the tall and the short. Surprisingly, the last chance saloon of Nana car park contained several stunners. Nonetheless, the Accountant counselled conservation of remaining body fluids until the morrow, so he and the Shooter trudged back to the hotel alone and happy.
Thus endeth the Shooter’s missive of his first day in the ‘Kok. More to follow.
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I've been a long time visitor to Bangkok however I have noticed an alarming trend in the attitude ti bar fines in both the Nana and Soi Cowboy bars.
Ofter my flight arrives late at night and I like to catch a drink at one of the bars before closing time. Naturally if a tasty morsel caught my eye there would be a pleasant end to the evening.
In days gone by, the closer it got to closing time, the cheaper the bar fine but I've noticed over the past year that even up to 1.30 am, some bars are charging the full fine. Recently Rainbow 1 asked me for 600 Baht at 1.45am!
Has anyone else come across this startling development?
Double Shooter
10-04-07, 18:40
reading the forums from afar, the shooter has always been fascinated by the famed institution that is unique to bangkok – the bj bar. surely this is a subject that a zealous national geographic journalist should thoroughly analyse. how does it feel to drink a beer while being blown? is it fan-bloody-tastic or just plain sleazy? what kind of girl works there? does she thpeak with a lithp? what about the bj technique: is it out of this world? does the golf ball really fit through the hosepipe?
above all, is it something you really want to do? after all, you can pick up a girl from anywhere, take her back to your room and prod her chin with your dickhead. why go to a special bar just to do that?
discussing options with the accountant, he computed only an 8.2% chance that he would enjoy it. he likes bj’s but never to completion. and he prefers sexual congress to occur in his lair/room and definitely not in some dingy bar. nevertheless, the shooter concluded that it is an essential component of any man’s experiential portfolio.
so off they trudged to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) off soi 8. good thing about staying on sukhumvit is that you can easily explore on foot and find all these places that are tucked into various nooks and crannies. and while you’re looking for one place, you find all sorts of others. sort of like the internet. click on one thing and you find another. until you've totally fucking forgotten what it was you were looking for. passed by a barber’s shop with several cuties in mini-skirts. resolved to visit that one later.
anyways, the shooter has an unerring sense of direction as far as booze and sex are concerned, so he and the accountant were marching into [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) within 2 shakes of a lamb's tail. a gaggle of giggling girls were sitting outside in schoolgirl uniform. not realising that one can pick one’s cutie from the assembled throng, the duo ventured into the bar and ordered their beers. two girls came in to sell their services.
the shooter’s girl was short and chubby. one would never barfine her in a million years, but in this kind of joint, the top two feet is all that counts, and that contained a nice face and large mammaries. her cheerful demeanour and youthful appearance belied a massive seven years experience in [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). only one girl had been there longer.
so upstairs it was, unlock the door and into the curtained cubicle. en route the shooter espied several pairs of feet sticking out from under the curtains; two small soles together and two larger feet further apart. rhythmic motion in the curtains. no noise: pure concentration one supposes. surreal. the shooter recalled his many years at work as a dilbert-style cubicle warrior. the pathetic jealousies and petty turf wars. could this be the same planet?
the cubicle contained a sofa and a floor pad for the girl to rest her knees. the shooter disrobed fully, sat on a towel on the sofa and sipped his beer. the girl went to work. not much ball-work, very phallo-centric. up and down, simulating sex in a vagina. no special techniques, just prolonged, effortless and relentless rhythm. plenty of handwork in conjunction.
the shooter sipped his beer and enjoyed the moment. after 2000 moments (the accountant timed it) little shooter coughed his guts. she took it all, then spat it discreetly into a tissue. she looked up and smiled sweetly. the smile reminded the shooter of one supercilious secretary who was proud of her dictation technique. change the spelling to dick-tation and you have a sort of equivalency.
the shooter staggered back down the stairs on spongy knees. the accountant was still in the bar. he liked his girl but would not countenance an on-site experience. the bar fine was outside his price-performance ratio, so he did not indulge. this is a guy whose annual remuneration exceeds the gdp of many countries.
anyways, the accountant reckons that a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) after sex reduces the chance of std by 38%. so off to the bathroom to execute a no.1 and a dickwash. then it’s 700 baht to the management, 300 for the girl, and a further pittance for the beers. the accountant explained why the owner of the means of production garners the lion's share, while the worker gets shafted. but the shooter's smaller brain failed to comprehend: if the worker is a gobbler, and the master of the gobblers (master-gobbler) is a capitalist, isn't it all gobblers?
anyways, onwards & upwards. back onto the street, ignored the siren calls from the various massage joints on soi 8. into the barber shop on sukumvit. very tasty attendants, including the manageress, who also runs a pub called top ten.
as is his custom, the shooter took the full monty option: haircut, manicure, pedicure, ear cleaning and facial. great to have 3 cuties pandering to one’s every need, like a medieval nabob. the facial was a mistake however: with your eyes closed you miss out on the flirting opportunities. no extras on offer, just a pleasant experience.
the accountant went upstairs for a ttm. no extras, but good service and as usual he secured her number for a possible future interview.
back to the hotel for ‘cocktail hour’ in the executive lounge. a few chardonnays and quick kip. next stop soi cowboy. unfortunately got there a bit late so no time to bar hop extensively.
first stop was baccara. the shooter wisely took position right at the stage, for the optimal viewing angle through the glass ceiling. the accountant noted the interesting statistic that although the girls were sans panties, you can see their pussies only 14% of the time. there was a tremendous dancer on stage, terrific figure, but the boat race had a bit of mileage. the accountant figured a 99.8% probability she is not a virgin.
back onto the soi. unfortunately the accountant’s computer model did not contain the possibility of a bloody great elephant on the street, and sure enough he staggered right into it, ricocheting off its arse. hilarious.
next stop long gun. some seriously attractive girls in here, including several with a very substantial titty endowment. however the shooter failed to catch their attention. playing hard to get? still, a lot more fun that the shooter is used to. cold beers, good company and an endless pussy parade. there comes a point in such an evening when worries, antagonisms and problems disappear and the universe suddenly makes sense. tony blair always tells the truth, gordon brown never stole from your wallet, and george bush is a fucking genius.
enjoying the ambience, the shooter was uncharacteristically slow in acquiring female company. however, by closing time he and the accountant have been pulled. agree to meet them in the after hours bar at penny black.
at the penny black, got in the lift with a pocket venus with a sweet smile. delightful titty-jiggle when she walked. the two girls from long gun didn’t show. the shooter tried his luck with titty-jiggle, who was drinking and playing pool with some thai guys. she was very receptive, but didn’t want to leave, preferring to play pool. the shooter was confused by the mixed signals, and was amazed to see her the next night dancing in shark. great figure, much more sexy in a dress than almost naked. the accountant speculated a 65% probability she had already st’d a punter and didn’t need the business. if the shooter had persevered and stayed to play pool, she would have deigned to sleep with him. for a consideration of 2k baht or so.
the shooter and the accountant decided to walk back to nana to shop at the car park. however, on leaving soi cowboy they were immediately assailed at an unofficial bar right on the corner of sukhumvit. it appears that a large chunk of sukhumvit is an open air after-hours bar. only in thailand.
the girls here were really bubbly and one had a fantastic rack, so there was no choice but to stop for an interview. everyone gets on like a house on fire and a hotel assignation is soon arranged. the accountant computes the correct price for pseudo-lt (lt from 4am) is 1500, to which the girls agree. unbelievably, there is a bar fine to pay. but the mamasan has a straight face and its only 500, so wtf.
the shooter’s girl had a great personality and a wonderful body. great tits. but her sack performance sucked. and she didn’t: a no-fellatio-zone. isn’t that against the thai trades description act? which pissed the shooter off and he couldn’t come. so off with condom, on with the body lotion and the titty fucking. that didn’t work, cos she couldn’t hold her tits properly. so tried some thigh-fucking. nice smooth and soft skin, but just couldn’t bust the nut. so fucked her armpit. kneeling behind her, pulled the dick a little sideways so the head was no longer in her armpit but coming out at her upper arm, pointing at her face. then fired the cannon. all over the face and hair. har har, payback time. she was not amused, but the shooter was.
the accountant’s experience with his girl was much more positive. “intense and comprehensive” was his pithy description.
another day over. two more to go. will report later.
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I know that Vietnam or Cambodia is the place to find them, but I am going to be in BKK. I am just wondering if there are any places that might have Viet girls?
Sam,
I did meet some girl(s) from Laos at Gulliver's Sukhumvit Soi 5. She's a freelancer. Can't remember her name. There may be others but can't be positive about it. Sorry
take care and have fun.
Taka
She seemed to understand and we just sat embracing for a long time, each of us pondering the odd but appropriate way life sometimes works...
...But the conversations we had I count among my absolute best mongering memories. Somehow, the trip to the hospital had created a bond between us.For those few days, it did seem like we had surmounted a lot of the barriers that separate older mongers from Thai girls - age, culture and language among the foremost.
-End-That was a facinating story Evil. Thank you for sharing. Your writing and story telling skill is something to be admired. I agree with you in that some of my best mongering memories is not of the sex but just of the time shared between two people. Don't get me wrong, the sex is awesome and is the biggest reason why I come BKK, but in my short mongering career, I've met and befriended some of the sweetest gals in Thailand. Yes, they're engaged in the world's oldest profession but that doesn't make them any less of a person. Like you said, life works in odd ways and that's what make life beautiful.
Therefore, I'd just like to say that ML is 100% correct. It's easy! Just take a shower, keep your nails well clipped, and go buy yourself a couple of button down shirts at Big C for 200 Baht each.
After that it's just a matter of smiling beautifully and speaking well. I've never had a problem taking a girl to the location of my choice. Yes Sir! Mick's right!
Indeed, that advice would do well for any guy with any girl, pro or otherwise. A little hygiene and a little charm go a darn long way... The chicks, Thai or otherwise, are still people. Just like if you stink and have a bad attitude, the cashier at the Safeway won't be friendly, expect a provider in a much more intimate service industry like our preferred entertainment (heh) to also prefer that the customer isn't repulsive. hah.
The Rainbow group will charge a full barfine even one minute before closing. I experienced the same problem at the Rainbow 4? (the one on the second floor).
Misty's A Go Go in Pattaya is the same way. Some Pattaya bars reduce the barfine as the evening goes on.
Retired Army
10-05-07, 09:40
I know that Vietnam or Cambodia is the place to find them, but I am going to be in BKK. I am just wondering if there are any places that might have Viet girls?
Thanks in advance
Try Gulliver's on Sukhumvit Soi 5. I have seen several Viet free lancers in the afternoon.
Having an even better time in BKK this time around. The other day had a lady long time 24 hours. Maybe a six overall on a scale of one to ten, ten being the best looking. Typicly these types perform better than the hotties in my experience. She was like so many other Thai women that are in over abundnce here, slim, long straight black hair, thick lips, which I love for blowjobs etc. We spent around five hours kissing and screwing in various positions, which she seemed right into. Never asked me to hurry up and cum. When I didn't blast off, as I prefer, she was happy to massage my little toy for another hour. Total damage 4500 Baht. Was this too much?
Rambis Youth
10-05-07, 14:54
Very much enjoyed your report and writing style. Looking forward to the next one. Keep up the good work!
M P Lurker
10-05-07, 15:51
[Sobbing] well, I have to admit, I AM a Frog. It's pretty obvious, one just needs a quick glance at my name LOL [end of Sobbing]
I am not very much in the Freelancer market, but why would you have to wait until the other girl got a client?
Apologies to any who thought Frogs had anything to do with French although I am reminded that French and Thai people see no reason not to eat Frogs.
I have had Frog for dinner too.
Anyway Giotto assures me that Nic Frenchy is indeed a Prince. Perhaps we will meet soon. Unfortunately its still 4 weeks till I'm back in Thailand.
"Prince among frogs", was just an old old saying that means its easy to look good in a crowd of arseholes that I have witnessed in the Nana car park, even for an old block like me.
Sorry to generalise too, its just that some of the guys there speak to girls in extremely ugly manner.
P.S. I rarely go for freelancers these days. However if I'm really horny and its really late and everything is closed, I have been known to pick up from anywhere I can find someone that appeals, but I'm still choosy.
Please keep them coming and all the best to the Accountant when you see him next
Biz
Retired Army
10-05-07, 20:11
Total damage 4500 Baht. Was this too much?
Only by about 3,000 THB
Greetings all,
Haven't been in BKK for 2 years now and it drives me crazy. Out of desparation I picked up a fantasitic set of detective novels by John Burdett called Bangkok 8, Bangkok Tattoo, and Bangkok Haunts. If you like that type of reading do them in that order. All about us farang and how strange we appear to the locals.
Do you ever wonder about what goes on inside the head of that sweet little lady you are banging with all of your might? These books spell it out with amazing insight. Here is his website with some previous articles. Guess you could say I'm a new fan.
After all, nobody can screw all the time.
http://www.john-burdett.com/category/articles/
Since most relate mostly negative experiences about their hotel stays, I'll go against the flow and tell of a very good one that happened to me in Bangkok last year. I had made a 2 days stopover in BKK before going to Cambodia and stayed at the holiday inn in silom. I usually keep my stuff in the safe or in the hotel safe and some spare cash hidden away in the room in various locations, in this case it may have been in an envelope stuck to the bottom of a drawer or stashed in the bkk yellow pages.
Anyway the stay was short and hassle free -except there's a joiner's fee after 10 pm, which can be circumvented when the girl you take looks ok enough to pass for your legit wife, like the secretary I'd pulled that night from the beergarten.
So a couple days later I land in PP, check my mail and there was a message from the hotel assistant manager asking if I hadn't forgotten anything in the room as they had found, read this, cash money. I replied that indeed, I had forgotten to retrieve my stash (I hadn't even noticed it yet), but I'd totally forgotten about it, the remaining change from 500 euros playmoney, thus somewhere between 15 and 20k bath... he quoted me something like 17 or 18k and change, found by a cleaning lady and duly reported upon. As I'd booked online they had my email and contacted me asap. I didn't stay there again (ungrateful SOB that I am) but picked it up a few weeks later on my way out of asia. ID thoroughly checked, a receipt signed for and a 500 bath tip to the cleaning lady, the least I could do.
Timewaster
10-06-07, 00:42
Sorry for the newbie question. This forum is 500+ pages and I read the last 10 or so pages.
Are you allowed to take pictures inside or outside the the bars in the red light districts in Bangkok? Will they try to break your camera if you try?
Old Thai Hand
10-06-07, 02:45
Greetings all -
Do you ever wonder about what goes on inside the head of that sweet little lady you are banging with all of your might?Nothing. These girls are as dumb as posts. The deepest thought that might be going through her head is, "I'm hungry. Maybe, I'll get some som tam, khao nieo, gai yang after I finish."
Guys,
I am sure this is no secret to most of you big time Thai mongerers, but the aforementioned book is simply fantastic, a great eye opener and gives great insight into the circumstances and mindset of go-go bar girls and us farangs. As it says on the book's jacket (a bit cheesy on the jacket but having read it it is true): this reading should be made compulsory to every westerner setting foot in thailand. A classic.
Can't remember the name of the author (Stephen something).
Cheers
Mastertraveler
10-06-07, 10:31
Will be making first trip to BKK in a few days. Will be there for only two nights, one day. Would appreciate any guidance. I am an older monger who is not looking for bargains. Looking for quality and like to avoid excess noise, hassle and annoyance. Would like to check out some nude dancing and an MP or possibly take out for the main event. Staying at the JW Marriott. I know I will be told by some that there is plenty of information on the board and that I should do my research. Have been doing it, but there is an overhelming amount of information on BKK, and I thought someone might be kind enough to distill it for me a little.
Thanks
Member #2041
10-06-07, 13:21
Nothing. These girls are as dumb as posts. The deepest thought that might be going through her head is, "I'm hungry. Maybe, I'll get some som tam, khao nieo, gai yang after I finish."
I must say that this attitude puts us all in a bad light. I was very pleasantly surprised to get into some much deeper conversations with one of the ladies with whom I spent my time during my past couple of trips to LOS. Turns out that she travels extensively, and had just returned from a trip to Cambodia, and had just cancelled a trip to Myanmar, and was very eager to discuss with me the dichotomy of the grandeur of Angkor Wat, and the absolute poverty of the Cambodian people, and the repression and revolt in Myanmar. Her English, entirely self-taught, is nearly completely fluent. We also had many a conversation about the fact that Thai men do no like smart, independent women, but many Farangs do. She was, all in all, a very thoughtful lady, whom I happily spend time with doing other things besides shagging her. Open your mind a bit, you might be pleasantly surprised and learn a little something.
Old Thai Hand
10-06-07, 14:30
I must say that this attitude puts us all in a bad light. I was very pleasantly surprised to get into some much deeper conversations with one of the ladies with whom I spent my time during my past couple of trips to LOS. Turns out that she travels extensively, and had just returned from a trip to Cambodia, and had just cancelled a trip to Myanmar, and was very eager to discuss with me the dichotomy of the grandeur of Angkor Wat, and the absolute poverty of the Cambodian people, and the repression and revolt in Myanmar. Her English, entirely self-taught, is nearly completely fluent. We also had many a conversation about the fact that Thai men do no like smart, independent women, but many Farangs do. She was, all in all, a very thoughtful lady, whom I happily spend time with doing other things besides shagging her. Open your mind a bit, you might be pleasantly surprised and learn a little something.
Sorry. But, you're a visitor and just happened to luck out and find a very rare commodity.
I live here and am with Thai women every day, most of whom have PhDs and even they aren't all that bright. My boss has a PhD from UC Berkeley and is a moron. As a professor, I deal with Thai university students all the time and therefore can speak with great authority about the lack of intelligence of Thais. If the best and brightest aren't all that intelligent, what do you think the chances are that some uneducated bargirl has any brains at all? After 11 years of teaching, my general opinion of Thais is that they aren't very smart. In recent studies, they've found that the average 15 y.o. Thai ranks between 17 and 20 percentiles below a comparable teenager in the West in intelligence tests.
While there are always exceptions, most Farang working here, especially teachers have a rather pessimistic outlook for the future of the country based on experiences with Thai students and working with Thais.
Your couple of visits and your very atypical experience doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on my opinion which is based on in depth and daily experience. I suggest that if you spent any length of time talking with a wide variety of even just Thai girls in P4P, you'd find that they are mind-numbingly boring beyond belief. I'm not saying that Thai girls from any walk of life aren't pleaseant to be around. They are great to be with and certainly far more pleasant that most Western women. But, the notion of actually carrying on anything remotely approaching an intelligent conversation with the vast majority of Thai women is just laughable. I find that a lot of Farang who live here, especially those unfortunates who have hooked up with a former BG delude themselves into thinking that their mates are "salts of the earth" and have "street smarts" which they equate with intelligence. What it is in reality is a huge compromise as well as a dumbing-down of the Farangs themselves, especially those that have exiled themselves to some bum-fuck village upcountry.
While I have intelligent students in every class who are equal to anything one would encounter in the West, they tend to have been educated in International schools and therefore are outside the norm.
Products of any level of the Thai education system, including bargirls aren't capable of or interested in much in-depth thought. I stand by my opinion. Enjoy their company. But, don't go looking to discuss anything worthwhile with them.
Sorry. But, you're a visitor and just happened to luck out and find a very rare commodity.
I live here and am with Thai women every day, most of whom have PhDs and even they aren't all that bright. My boss has a PhD from UC Berkeley and is a moron. As a professor, I deal with Thai university students all the time and therefore can speak with great authority about the lack of intelligence of Thais. If the best and brightest aren't all that intelligent, what do you think the chances are that some uneducated bargirl has any brains at all? After 11 years of teaching, my general opinion of Thais is that they aren't very smart. In recent studies, they've found that the average 15 y.o. Thai ranks between 17 and 20 percentiles below a comparable teenager in the West in intelligence tests.
While there are always exceptions, most Farang working here, especially teachers have a rather pessimistic outlook for the future of the country based on experiences with Thai students and working with Thais.
Your couple of visits and your very atypical experience doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on my opinion which is based on in depth and daily experience. I suggest that if you spent any length of time talking with a wide variety of even just Thai girls in P4P, you'd find that they are mind-numbingly boring beyond belief. I'm not saying that Thai girls from any walk of life aren't pleaseant to be around. They are great to be with and certainly far more pleasant that most Western women. But, the notion of actually carrying on anything remotely approaching an intelligent conversation with the vast majority of Thai women is just laughable. I find that a lot of Farang who live here, especially those unfortunates who have hooked up with a former BG delude themselves into thinking that their mates are "salts of the earth" and have "street smarts" which they equate with intelligence. What it is in reality is a huge compromise as well as a dumbing-down of the Farangs themselves, especially those that have exiled themselves to some bum-fuck village upcountry.
While I have intelligent students in every class who are equal to anything one would encounter in the West, they tend to have been educated in International schools and therefore are outside the norm.
Products of any level of the Thai education system, including bargirls aren't capable of or interested in much in-depth thought. I stand by my opinion. Enjoy their company. But, don't go looking to discuss anything worthwhile with them.
I am also in the Thai university system in an extremely highly rated program and agree with the conclusions expressed by OTH. The IQ testing at age 15 places the average Thai at 89-92 points, where the range in the western countries is 100-110.
Combine this with a lack of real world experience from other cultures and the severe burden Thai society places on people at all points in the social hierarchy, and it is hard to find many people with balanced views of the outside world. Even those from International schools and high school educations from abroad are hard-pressed to push through problem solving. The absence of creative thought is a whole other thing.
Don't get me wrong, there are some really smart kids in my classes and they have all had to do well on international standardized tests for admission. There are some great young minds in staring back at me in each of my classes, but there is something missing from the makeup. Intellectual curiosity is pretty well absent, as is analytical rigour.
Cleverness is not an admired quality in this society and reading is not practiced (the Bangkok newspaper last year reported that the average Thai reads 4 lines of text per day). Reading is not part of the culture, but Thais watch more hours of television each week than any other people in the world. The Philippines is number two, and in both countries the shows are goofy game shows, melodramas (mostly about infidelity and female rivaly) and dumbed-down movies like ghost stories and gore.
There is no place like this place, any place. And the girls in the P4P world are those with the worst educations and the least opportunity. You were lucky to find an intelligent conversation in the English language - you would have trouble repeating that some days in the faculty lounge at my high ranking university.
M P Lurker
10-06-07, 16:22
Sorry. But, you're a visitor and just happened to luck out and find a very rare commodity.
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While there are always exceptions, most Farang working here, especially teachers have a rather pessimistic outlook for the future of the country based on experiences with Thai students and working with Thais.
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I stand by my opinion. Enjoy their company. But, don't go looking to discuss anything worthwhile with them.
Look I met a Thai girl, probably the same one, who was widely travelled could speak German and English fluently and looked quite good, but she couldn't hold on to a steady boyfriend becaise she a loose cavenous pussy.
Sex was poor.
My GF is not super smart. Smartness wasn't a big selection criterion. Being easy to get on with seems more important.
Thai girls don't need supreme intellegence to separate out the better guys from the complete dickheads/arseholes.
M P Lurker
10-06-07, 16:32
Since most relate mostly negative experiences about their hotel stays, I'll go against the flow and tell of a very good one that happened to me in Bangkok last year. I had made a 2 days stopover in BKK before going to Cambodia and stayed at the holiday inn in silom. I usually keep my stuff in the safe or in the hotel safe and some spare cash hidden away in the room in various locations, in this case it may have been in an envelope stuck to the bottom of a drawer or stashed in the bkk yellow pages.
Anyway the stay was short and hassle free -except there's a joiner's fee after 10 pm, which can be circumvented when the girl you take looks ok enough to pass for your legit wife, like the secretary I'd pulled that night from the beergarten.
So a couple days later I land in PP, check my mail and there was a message from the hotel assistant manager asking if I hadn't forgotten anything in the room as they had found, read this, cash money. I replied that indeed, I had forgotten to retrieve my stash (I hadn't even noticed it yet), but I'd totally forgotten about it, the remaining change from 500 euros playmoney, thus somewhere between 15 and 20k bath... he quoted me something like 17 or 18k and change, found by a cleaning lady and duly reported upon. As I'd booked online they had my email and contacted me asap. I didn't stay there again (ungrateful SOB that I am) but picked it up a few weeks later on my way out of asia. ID thoroughly checked, a receipt signed for and a 500 bath tip to the cleaning lady, the least I could do.
My ex GF (long ago) lost her wallet in the bus containing a very large amount of cash (against my advice). The Thai bus cleaner handed it in without even looking how much was in there I guess, so she unexpectedly got it back 2 hours later. There are absolutely honest Thai people (but not all) as in any other Country
Member #2041
10-06-07, 19:41
Sorry. But, you're a visitor and just happened to luck out and find a very rare commodity.....
Your couple of visits and your very atypical experience doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on my opinion which is based on in depth and daily experience.
OTH, I was taking issue with your broad brush generalization where you stated that "nothing" was going through her head, as "these girls are as dumb as posts". Even if that is PREDOMINANTLY accurate, it is surely not ALWAYS accurate. And I reitterate, that if you had an open mind about it, you would find exceptions to this generalizations.
I have been to LOS about 8 times, and have spent around 6 months in the country over the past few years. In that time, I have surely shagged well over a hundred women. And in that time, I have met 3 of them who had enough going on upstairs that I would have or in fact did consider a more substantial relationship than to just bang and pay. My point is simply that there are always exceptions to the type of sweeping generalization that you made, and we are all better off to keep that in mind.
Guys,
I am sure this is no secret to most of you big time Thai mongerers, but the aforementioned book is simply fantastic, a great eye opener and gives great insight into the circumstances and mindset of go-go bar girls and us farangs. As it says on the book's jacket (a bit cheesy on the jacket but having read it it is true): this reading should be made compulsory to every westerner setting foot in thailand. A classic.
Can't remember the name of the author (Stephen something).
CheersMandiri,
Yep.
The only problem with this book is - it is 698 years old. Somebody knows Klaus? That is an interesting story, isn't it?
Giotto
...
I live here and am with Thai women every day, most of whom have PhDs and even they aren't all that bright. My boss has a PhD from UC Berkeley and is a moron.
...Old Thai Hand,
I don't have PhD. And I am not a Moron. And not Thai.
Do you want to marry me?
Giotto
AsiaTraveler2
10-06-07, 22:24
OTH, I was taking issue with your broad brush generalization where you stated that "nothing" was going through her head, as "these girls are as dumb as posts". Even if that is PREDOMINANTLY accurate, it is surely not ALWAYS accurate. And I reitterate, that if you had an open mind about it, you would find exceptions to this generalizations.
I have been to LOS about 8 times, and have spent around 6 months in the country over the past few years. In that time, I have surely shagged well over a hundred women. And in that time, I have met 3 of them who had enough going on upstairs that I would have or in fact did consider a more substantial relationship than to just bang and pay. My point is simply that there are always exceptions to the type of sweeping generalization that you made, and we are all better off to keep that in mind.
Member,
OTH is not the only poster who makes sweeping generalizations about Thai woman, men and other Asians. This thread is predominantly the domain of those from the US, Australia, Europe and Canada. They are frequent visitors and english language skilled countries. I think most of them are standup guys, but the "I'm superior crowd", put's a bad face on those from those countries. I see it week after week, that some derogatory remark is made about Asians, and none made about Caucasians.
I may start posting a comparable comment regarding Caucasians, for every deragatory comment regarding Asians, if that is what it will take to highlight this problem. See Evil's recent posts as an example. I generally like his story telling posts, and believe for the most part that he is a gentleman, but I draw the line at his sweeping generalizations of Asians. He has a blind spot in this regard. It's ironic that he understands there is no universal agreement in terms of beauty, but seems to have universal views regarding Asians.
Asians have their own websites in their native languages and are for the most part, not here to defend themselves. I find some of the pompous comments by these racist types, a sign of pure ignorance. After years of this, I am quite frankly, getting tired of it. I do believe some of their comments are made simply to get a rise out of people, to add some excitement to their otherwise boring lives. Who knows.
Unfortunately, these type of people just don't care who they offend, and I doubt it will stop. Maybe reporting them to Jackson is the only answer or maybe restricting their dumb ass race related views to the Fight Club thread.
AT2
Terry Terrier
10-07-07, 00:01
Nothing. These girls are as dumb as posts. The deepest thought that might be going through her head is, "I'm hungry. Maybe, I'll get some som tam, khao nieo, gai yang after I finish."
Or maybe they're often thinking something along the lines of: "If I act as dumb as a post, I can keep this nosy, arrogant old farang out of my head. And hopefully he'll get bored quickly, fuck off and leave me be." :D
Old Thai Hand
10-07-07, 03:15
Or maybe they're often thinking something along the lines of: "If I act as dumb as a post, I can keep this nosy, arrogant old farang out of my head. And hopefully he'll get bored quickly, fuck off and leave me be." :D
Funny. :)
AsiaTraveler
You clearly didn't read my post closely enough and obviously didn't understand what I was specifically talking about.
I wasn't criticizing Asian intelligence, but Thai intelligence. It has nothing to do with racism at all. It is an attitude developed from teaching thousands of Thai students and working with hundreds of Thais over almost a dozen years.
In contrast, I think the the Chinese, for example are among the most intelligent people in the world and probably will take over eventually. The best students in Thai schools are almost always the Thai-Chinese. The Thai-Thai students lag far behind and are uninterested in learning and generally are completely incapable of critical thought. I also admire the Vietnamese for their tenacity and drive to succeed and can say that some of my best students in the past were Vietnamese. I currently have some Taiwanese international students and they are kicking the shit out of the Thai students, not merely in intelligence, but skill, committment and maturity. Hand-in-hand with the Thais lack of intelligence is their incredible immaturity. That's a topic for another post. I could give thousands of examples.
I also agree that one could criticize large segments of the Caucasian population throughout the world and it seems that the biggest morons and knuckle-draggers from that group somehow find there way here on their yearly holidays.
Member 2041
They aren't sweeping generalizations when one has extremely extensive experience with the population and thus can draw a well-informed conclusion. Your experience in a mere 8 visits and the shagging of well over a 100 hookers (a very narrow segment of society) doesn't qualify you, in my book to make an assessment of the intelligence of Thai people. You have even stated in your post that in the well over 100 that you have met 3 that were intelligent. That's statistically a pretty insignifcant number. Sure, there are exceptions and I acknowledged that. But, unfortunately they are few and far between.
Overall, there is nothing arrogant or condescending about my comments. It's simply the truth based on years of continued experience. I didn't arrive here thinking I was superior and that Thais were stupid. But, if you work with them and certainly if you teach them (I should say 'TRY' to teach them) for any length of time, this is unfortunately the opinion you arrive at.
Anyway, I'm glad I could stir things up again. This board has been incredibly boring for a long time. If the Traveler is out there, maybe he could weigh in on this. I'm sure he'd side with the Thais, since he admires them so much. ;)
Member #2041
10-07-07, 03:30
Member 2041
They aren't sweeping generalizations when one has extremely extensive experience with the population and thus can draw a well-informed conclusion. Your experience in a mere 8 visits and the shagging of well over a 100 hookers (a very narrow segment of society) doesn't qualify you, in my book to make an assessment of the intelligence of Thai people. You have even stated in your post that in the well over 100 that you have met 3 that were intelligent. That's statistically a pretty insignifcant number.
It's a more than sufficient number to prove that your sweeping generalization is not ALWAYS true, and is thus an example of prejudice on your part. Of course, the fact that you are obviously a bigot is clear to most folks other than yourself, but that is to be expected. The worst bigots are always the last to know how obnoxious their viewpoints are.
Old Thai Hand
10-07-07, 03:46
It's a more than sufficient number to prove that your sweeping generalization is not ALWAYS true, and is thus an example of prejudice on your part. Of course, the fact that you are obviously a bigot is clear to most folks other than yourself, but that is to be expected. The worst bigots are always the last to know how obnoxious their viewpoints are.
You just don't seem to get it.
I'm an academic and therefore, I deal with the weight of overwhelming proof on any issue. 3 out of over 100 would hardly count in most studies. I would say that in fact, you're the one making sweeping generalizations based on your very limited experience. I never said that there weren't exceptions. Of course there are always exceptions. Of course there are intelligent Thais. But, if I examine your proof and round it down, for the sake of argument, you're saying that 3% are intelligent. That's not very convincing evidence to counter my opinion.
For all the horrified, self-righteous "PC" outsiders who seem to take exception to my view here, I'd like to put you in a Thai classroom for just a day, and see how your opinions hold up under the overbearing indifference and frustratingly uninterested students that one has to deal with. I'd like to see how your Pollyanna mindset would survive working with Thais day in, day out.
The only guy who seems to get it is Biz99 because he's in a similar situation as I, and can speak from the same INFORMED point-of-view.
A holiday somewhere, no matter how many times you visit is not the same as living there. You never really get an understanding of the culture or the people. I always find it amusing that you holiday makers can pass judgement, when you know nothing about the issue at hand. Hanging out, only with girls in P4P gives you almost zero insight into the country, the culture and its people. Even the retirees living down in Pattaya know shit about Thailand because they live in a bubble. And, I've already stated that most Farang guys stupid enough to move upcountry and live in their reformed, rent-a-ho GF's village have almost invariably gone through some dumbing -down process and have become as stupid as the natives.
There always seems to to be an unfounded-reverence for Thais, especially girls in P4P on this board. The threads are filled with whimpers of longing for a return to LOS. There is salivating over the imminent prospect of retiring to some hastily-erected shack in Pattaya so that one can spend one's twilight years toddling down to the bars to get a daily fix of the good life. All of it is a view of Thailand through rose-cloured glasses filtered, as they are with visions of cheap pussy. That's all well and good. But, most of you need a reality check. No place is in fact as good as it seems on holiday. Nor, are the people quite as wonderful as they may seem on what is in the end, a very cursory examination.
I do wonder why everyone is getting their knickers in a knot about this, though. You guys just come here to fuck hookers. Why do you care if they are intelligent and even think, or not, as long as they provide the service that you (over)pay for?
Gentlemen...if we're going to continue, should we move this over to the fight club?
Member #2041
10-07-07, 04:57
you just don't seem to get it.
i'm an academic and therefore, i deal with the weight of overwhelming proof on any issue. 3 out of over 100 would hardly count in most studies. i would say that in fact, you're the one making sweeping generalizations based on your very limited experience. i never said that there weren't exceptions. of course there are always exceptions. of course there are intelligent thais. but, if i examine your proof and round it down, for the sake of argument, you're saying that 3% are intelligent. that's not very convincing evidence to counter my opinion.
for all the horrified, self-righteous "pc" outsiders who seem to take exception to my view here, i'd like to put you in a thai classroom for just a day, and see how your opinions hold up under the overbearing indifference and frustratingly uninterested students that one has to deal with. i'd like to see how your pollyanna mindset would survive working with thais day in, day out.
a holiday somewhere, no matter how many time you visit is not the same as living there. you never really get an understanding of the culture or the people. i always find it amusing that you holiday makers can pass judgement, when you know nothing about the issue at hand. hanging out, only with girls in p4p gives you almost zero insight into the country, the culture and its people. even the retirees living down in pattaya know shit about thailand because they live in a bubble. and, i've already stated that most farang guys stupid enough to move upcountry and live in their reformed, rent-a-ho gf's village have almost invariably gone through some dumbing -down process and have become as stupid as the natives.
the only guy who seems to get it is biz99 because he's in a similar situation as i, and can speak from the same informed point-of-view.
i do wonder why everyone is getting their knickers in a knot about this, though. you guys just come here to fuck hookers. why do you care if they are intelligent and even think, or not, as long as they provide the service that you (over)pay for?
gentlemen...if we're going to continue, should we move this over to the fight club?
i get it fine. btw, since you apparently seem to think i'll be cowed by your supposed credentials, i'm a professional mathematical economist with advanced degrees in applied math, computer science and econometrics from a couple of the most distinguished universities on the planet. (hint, one's in the ivy league, the other is known as the place that gave us milton friedman, george stigler, gary becker, merton miller, etc, etc). oh, and 25 years in the field actually using those skills at senior levels in the private sector, prior to retiring in my late 40s to enjoy the assets i've accrued.
it happens to be a high-school level technical mistake to conclude from statistical preponderance of evidence about a general population that the specific trait applies to all members of that population - which is exactly what you did in this specific case. were you to make the same generalization you did here in a professional context before your peers (if there are any), you would be laughed out of the joint. what you actually did was demonstrate in the generalization you made that you are, in fact, a bigot.
Lover Boy #2
10-07-07, 05:12
Old Thai Hand,
I don't have PhD. And I am not a Moron. And not Thai.
Do you want to marry me?
Giotto
Having lived/worked in Thailand for a few years, it is apparent to me that OTH has some very valid and well constructed points. As I think about some of the characters I have had to deal with on my job in order to keep an army of misfits producing.....your offer of marriage looks better every day....possibly OTH should take you up on this.
Let's all just get along....move this over to the fight club......and continue on our quest (in this thread) for cheap, dumb pussy.
NicFrenchy
10-07-07, 09:08
So, now that it's all said and done, who's got the bigger dick?
Old Thai Hand
10-07-07, 09:35
it happens to be a high-school level technical mistake to conclude from statistical preponderance of evidence about a general population that the specific trait applies to all members of that population - which is exactly what you did in this specific case.
anal-retentive and somewhat obtuse aren't we? however, i'm not a statistician. so, you're probably correct.
i wasn't trying to hold my credentials over your head. that's not really key to the point, anyway. my having lived here for 11 years versus your eight visits and 100+ shags of a narrow sector of the populace, not to mention that i've never lived in some farang enclave, but have always been in the midst of thais and have daily experience with these people in a very intense way qualifies me to make educated, broad-based assumptions. your opinions based on your extremely limited experience as a visitor and absolutely no day-to-day living experience over any appreciable amount of time makes youre views irrelevant.
going back to my original comment (i.e. the girl is probably thinking of nothing more than eating) isn't actually that far from the likely scenario. when i first arrived here, i worked at the nation and the joke around the office was that when they weren't eating, the thais were usually talking about what they had just eaten and what they were going to eat next. having spent my first year in thailand in this work environment with everyone from lowly secretaries to celebrated journalists, i was amazed at the time at how shallow they all seemed given their apparent education and supposed intellect. and, while i'm really not trying for one upmanship on your bragging rights (shagging rights???), i've probably shagged well over 500 tgs and i don't think in all of those, i found too many who were worth talking to for more than a limited amount of time.
i still maintain that it is exceptional to find a thai who is intelligent and worth enough to discuss serious issues with. as i have said, repeatedly, i agree with you that there are exceptions. but, they are rare. i know a 24 y.o. thai woman who was reading "the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of nanking" in english, no less. this is about an 800 page book. so, i was quite impressed with this and it has stayed with me for some time. the point of this is that it is so atypical that i will never forget it. if one encountered a 24 y.o. university-educated american woman reading such a book, it wouldn't be that surprising. here, however it's downright unique.
i don't really understand your steadfast belief that my opinion is bigotry. it's nothing of the sort. it's simply a conclusion based on a hell of a lot of experience.
Guys
I have been following this for a while and all I can say is, lay off OTH.
You have to know that this is one guy who has left his motherland in order to make (sorry, teach) the less intellectuals (some poster said the Thais score less on IQ ratings than Westerners) to come up to par. So he has embarked upon his missions, to f**k the less intelligent, Hi-So society students (but not his students but others in his college) so that hopefully they will become as smart as he is.
He never dates the darker girls (darker they are, the less intellectual they are, aren't they), has connections all the way up to the top, and in his few years in Thailand knows more about their culture than the natives. Yes sir, he is indeed an intellectual. (Though he couldn't compete with it in his homeland).
So, the rest of the visitors cannot even begin to be in his esteemed league. No sir, we visitors have even less IQ. So if we respect the Thais it always seems to to be an unfounded-reverence for Thais, P4P or otherwise. ( I never thought that respect equalled unfounded-reverance, but then what do I know, as a visitor).
So Member 2041, take it easy, will ya.
And Dr.G, of course OTH will marry you. You are a hansum' man.
Old Thai Hand
10-07-07, 09:59
Mr. Duni
While I know you have the utmost contempt for me and always have had, I continue to think you are a very humourous man. BTW, I left Canada because I hate snow, not because I couldn't make it at home. I did go back to the west in 2004-05 to see if I would like living and teaching there again and I found that I didn't. So, I came back to the tropics to educate the "unwashed" (LOL). To get my yearly "fix" of Western culture, I take a group of Thai university students to Europe on a study-abroad program. They don't measure up to comparable European students. But, it's a good experience for them, anyway.
My connections only go up to NEAR the top, and haven't afforded me any protection, just access to better-looking girls. My security, however may increase as I'm about to become a civil-servant and as everyone knows, civil-servants never get fired, but merely moved to inactive posts. I do know more than most Thais about their own culture, because as often happens in many places Thais rarely bother to learn more than the superficial trappings of their own culture, while someone like me has spent a great deal of time researching the back story of the culture.
and oh, Mr. G isn't THAT handsome. :)
AsiaTraveler2
10-07-07, 10:01
Having lived/worked in Thailand for a few years, it is apparent to me that OTH has some very valid and well constructed points. As I think about some of the characters I have had to deal with on my job in order to keep an army of misfits producing.....your offer of marriage looks better every day....possibly OTH should take you up on this.
Let's all just get along....move this over to the fight club......and continue on our quest (in this thread) for cheap, dumb pussy.
Lover Boy,
I do agree that any topic that mentions race, should automatically be posted in the fight club. This is not a "PC" issue. It goes much deeper than that. To presume OTH has a point, is only to agree that you wish Thai's to fall in line with Western thinking, because you are judging them by Western ideals.
That, in and of itself, is rather arrogant in my opinion.
AT2
Old Thai Hand
10-07-07, 10:06
To presume OTH has a point, is only to agree that you wish Thai's to fall in line with Western thinking, because you are judging them by Western ideals. That, in and of itself, is rather arrogant in my opinion.AT2
...not Western thinking or ideals, but international educational standards which are well below par here, because it is not in the interests of the powers-that-be to have an educated, intelligent populace.
Actually, I don't think we should bother to move this to fight club, as there's nothing more to say. We have two opposing POVs that will never concede. Once again, I've pissed off the usual suspects, plus a few new ones, which is a good thing. But, what's the point of continuing bashing away at each other? Maybe you should all go back to debating the merits of Eden Club. I think that's more in line with the mandate of this board.
GoodEnough
10-07-07, 10:21
I'm new to this discussion and have no wish to provoke any diatribes, but as a sociologist, and one who has visited Thailand many times, I wonder if this whole argument isn't really ultimately about cultural values rather than statistics. Our (Western) concept of what constitutes an "intellectual" is so deeply rooted in Western culture, that it may be entirely inappropriate to compare even well-educated Thais to this particularistic standard.Perhaps Thai standards are different. I don't know enough about the culture to know. At any rate, judging intellectual capacity based on the number and type of reading materials seems fairly narrow and ethnocentric.
Just my two cents, but I could not resist commenting since I don't think that statistics, whether wrongly or correctly applied, illuminate this discussion at all.
GE
Member #3443
10-07-07, 10:48
IMHO, this is an economic issue. If you go outside the richer areas of the country, look at the schools. Despite the robust economy in some areas, a majority of this country is still developing. The well to do in every country put their children either in private schools and get them in the best colleges and/or universities. I live in Hawaii, it is done here to da max because most public schools don't measure up to for example to an Orange County California School District but maybe better than a Mississippi school district (examples only). This horse is beaten to death already today. Time for the next subject :):)
Only by about 3,000 THBI thought 1500 would be good for 5 hours of oil massage. Not 6 hours of just about anything goes, unless you're referring to Africa, Cambodia or Chinatown. But I am a relative newbie to BKK, having only 3 months under my belt.
Retired Army
10-07-07, 11:49
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
I still maintain that it is exceptional to find a Thai who is intelligent and worth enough to discuss serious issues with.
QUOTE]
yeah, but if you can find such a woman you should snag them. Nothing better than a pretty, smart Thai woman to hang out with. Knowledgable about Western ways, but still Thai enough to take care of her man in the way he likes.
Retired Army
10-07-07, 11:58
My boss has a PhD from UC Berkeley and is a moron.
Aren't all bosses morons? Seems like the only ones who get promoted, especially in my line of work, are the ones who have been deprived of oxygen for long periods of time.
Retired Army
10-07-07, 12:04
Will be making first trip to BKK in a few days. Will be there for only two nights, one day. Would appreciate any guidance. I am an older monger who is not looking for bargains. Looking for quality and like to avoid excess noise, hassle and annoyance. Would like to check out some nude dancing and an MP or possibly take out for the main event. Staying at the JW Marriott. I know I will be told by some that there is plenty of information on the board and that I should do my research. Have been doing it, but there is an overhelming amount of information on BKK, and I thought someone might be kind enough to distill it for me a little.
Thanks
Nude dancing yes. Nana Plaza, or Soi Cowboy...
MP yes. I recommend the Posiden...
Quality. Hard to find unless you want to go the the Pegagus (or some other) Member Club$$$...
If you want to avoid excessive noise and hassles then BKK isn't the place to go.
Retired Army
10-07-07, 12:08
Sorry for the newbie question. This forum is 500+ pages and I read the last 10 or so pages.
Are you allowed to take pictures inside or outside the the bars in the red light districts in Bangkok? Will they try to break your camera if you try?
Inside absolutely NOT! However, there may be exceptions. Ask first before hauling out you Koday and going crazy.
Outside usually no problem. It's a public street. If they don't want you taking pictures they will let you know. Act like a tourist and be respectful and you should not have any problems.
Mr. Duni
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and oh, Mr. G isn't THAT handsome. :)Old Thai Hand,
What? --- BESTARD.
Sir,
as the TQM manager you are responsible for the quality of our customers. Can we let OHT in in the future?
BTW: OTH, there is still this bottle of cheap red wine standing here, which we wanted to kill together.
All this serious discussion reminds me of that piece of writing in the Bangkok Post, front page, 2-3 years ago, about the average IQ in Thailand... :).
Can we get a report about Eden Club or Biergarten - I forgot already how it is there...
Giotto
. Our (Western) concept of what constitutes an "intellectual" is so deeply rooted in Western culture, that it may be entirely inappropriate to compare even well-educated Thais to this particularistic standard.Perhaps Thai standards are different.
GEI wonder if Thai standards for stupidity would be different from the West! Just kidding!
I wonder if this whole argument isn't really ultimately about cultural values rather than statistics.
GEWhat about the roles of Thai Buddhism religion?
Old Thai Hand,
What? --- BESTARD.
Sir,
.....................as the TQM manager you are responsible for the quality of our customers. Can we let OHT in in the future?.................
Giotto
Sorry Dr.G, as TQM Manager I am responsible for the in house staff and amenities. You need to get a hold of the Marketing Director for the quality of the customer, and the Vice President about who can come in or not. :)
......and the Head BESTARD to serve the customer or not. :D
And OTH, I absolutely do not have any contempt of you. How could you ever think that. I just think that you are a very interesting person who has interesting viewpoints.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
I still maintain that it is exceptional to find a Thai who is intelligent and worth enough to discuss serious issues with.
QUOTE]
yeah, but if you can find such a woman you should snag them. Nothing better than a pretty, smart Thai woman to hang out with. Knowledgable about Western ways, but still Thai enough to take care of her man in the way he likes.
Be careful of what you ask for. My TGF is able to talk about a multitude of subjects. Her english is quite good. She is currently in her 3rd year at university but I can see the brainwashing there taking place. Unfortunately politically she and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum. I am always getting lectures on how bad George Bush is. At least she acknowledges how messed up certain things in Thailand are, although she is unabashedly pro-Thai in the final analysis. She will say how stupid something in Thailand is, but always follow it up by saying it is still not as stupid as how the rest of the world is.
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and oh, Mr. G isn't THAT handsome. :)
FINALLY, something truthful in all these different posts.......
;)
Member #2041
10-07-07, 16:15
Going back to my original comment (i.e. the girl is probably thinking of nothing more than eating) isn't actually that far from the likely scenario.
The problem, OTH, is that you did not use the word "probably" the first time you made this point. You said that the girls (not most of the girls, or many of these girls) ARE as dumb as posts, as though it were an absolute given that this girl was incapable of thinking about anything other than that she might be hungry.
I still maintain that it is exceptional to find a Thai who is intelligent and worth enough to discuss serious issues with. As I have said, repeatedly, I agree with you that there are exceptions.
I don't really understand your steadfast belief that my opinion is bigotry.
Had you actually qualified your statement the first time, we would not have had any disagreement. It was your cavalier spreading of the broad brush generalization over the entire Thai working girl population - i.e your absolute assertion that the girl in question would not be thinking of anything because these girls are as dumb as posts, and the most she might be thinking is that she were hungry, I'll get some food when I'm done here, that led me to call you a bigot, because that is what bigots do.
Old Thai Hand
10-07-07, 17:04
well, whatever....
It's no secret that I don't have much use for bargirls and the like. So, my general disdain for their lack of anything interesting to say certainly might be viewed as a broad condemnation. Once again I've attacked the sacred cow of the girls of P4P.
But, in actual fact, my remarks moved more towards the population at large. That was mostly what I was talking about and I doubt you have much experience of your average Thai at all and therefore can hardly comment on whether they're intelligent or not.
Again, I repeat, whether you are willing to accept it or not, that it is not bigotry, just experience talking.
Traveler1234
10-07-07, 17:46
Sorry Dr.G, as TQM Manager I am responsible for the in house staff and amenities. You need to get a hold of the Marketing Director for the quality of the customer, and the Vice President about who can come in or not. :)
......and the Head BESTARD to serve the customer or not. :D
And OTH, I absolutely do not have any contempt of you. How could you ever think that. I just think that you are a very interesting person who has interesting viewpoints.
Never met OTH....but we have had our share of differences of opinion on a variety of topics ;). My sense is he's like many who fell in luv with Asia and decided that being a big fish in a small pond was the way to go. No flame intended, merely POV.
As for the rest of the goings in the recent posts, boring.
Yes, your average Thai, from just about any sector, is not overly interested in discussing Aristotelian rhetoric nor analyzing the world from a western "logic" point of view. Then again, my farang girlfriends have never ever been able to do for me what my Thai girlfriend can do with her body and her smile....give it a rest fellows, and let's here some reports about some FUN things that people did last night!
i arrived in bkk yesterday for only one night.
after a gentle session at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) at 9 pm to clean the pipes i went out for a leisurely meal then headed back to sukhumvit to check out the action in the area as i hadn't been there in about one year. i was in no special rush to take another girl but was ready to see what fate would bring me.
after a change of clothes at the omni towers (great place btw, located on suk 4, huge appartments for the price of a hotel room, mine even had 2 baths, 2 tv and a large living room area) i walked towards the beergarden on soi 7 where i used to be lucky from time to time.
i was surprised by the large amount of sw on sukhumvit but didn't really focus on them. at the beergarden i had a drink, there were hardly 10-15 guys there and a similar amount of girls who looked totally worn out, so i left after 15'. arrived at thermae at around 1:30, entered at the back through the hotel lobby, sat down at a table in the middle and ordered a drink.
i looked around and felt something looked strangely out of place, but coulnd't put my finger on it. what was it ? the girls looked passable to ok but all the ok girls were seated with guys already. the place was quite full, the music was good, yet something was bothering me. then it dawned on me : i was the only farang, white male, sitting in that area. all the other guys, no exceptions, were asians. some of them sitting by themselves in groups of 3-4, some of them sitting with girls in unequal numbers, like 2 guys/5 girls. and most of them were young, 20's and early 30's being the majority.
i got up and walked around, there were a few westerners hanging about at the main entrance side and i took a stool in that area. a couple of girls came and chatted me up, i asked them if there were usually as many asian men around. they said yes, mostly jap, koreans, chinese, in that order. at 2 the music stopped playing and everybody started to drift out. the best looking girls were inevitably paired with asian guys.
i went out, heard japanese and some korean around me. walked back towards the hotel. lots of katoeys around on the way back, lots of glances from girls who hadn't made it that night yet -and for good reasons too, most were either too old, too fat, too trashy, or a combination thereof.
i stopped on a side soi to buy some ice cream and then i saw a very attractive girl discussing with 2 others. i waited a minute or so, then walked up to her and asked if she was selling something (she was dressed normally and could have been one of those street vendors packing up for the night), she said no, just talking to her friends. she accepted a bite from the ice cream then we sat down. i asked her if she'd come with me. maybe, how much you give me ? i don't know, how much you ask ? st or lt ? st .. ok, 1500 bath. i said, too bad, i only give 1000. she then showed she was fairly new at the game and counter offered with only 1200, to which i agreed. she was a definite 9, 19 yo, and as it turns out, just out from her shift at carrousel, a gogo on np.
we had a very satisfying slow session back in the appartment. i never tell the girls i'll be leaving town soon, but come up with some bullshit that i start a new job there and am looking for a place. they'll treat you nicer if they think there's a chance of landing a lt boyfriend, at least that's what i assume. hell, this one would have deserved it for sure, a total gfe experience condensed in 2-3 hours. she saw me yawning and asked whether she should leave. she gave me her number at the gogo and asked whether i'd come see her dance tomorrow, i said i'd try.
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Old Thai Hand
10-08-07, 00:57
Never met OTH....but we have had our share of differences of opinion on a variety of topics ;). My sense is he's like many who fell in luv with Asia and decided that being a big fish in a small pond was the way to go. No flame intended, merely POV.
As for the rest of the goings in the recent posts, boring.
Boring?...absolutely!!!
I started it all because I had time on my hands this weekend, for a change and, prompted by Freeler a few weeks ago to start a controversy, purposely made a provocative statement that was guaranteed to start a fight. Well anyway, I had fun.
as for big fish in a little pond....I wish! No such thing could ever happen in a place like Thailand, where those in charge combine incredible arrogance with mind-numbing stupidity and above all hate Farang. I am in such an abusive situation at the moment, that I am seriously thinking of leaving the Land of Sneers. While I may have at one time loved Asia, I'm not especially fond of it now. I miss Canada and may finally go back.
But, I still like the women.
Although not the Photo Section, I'll post a couple of pics to atone for the sin of boring everyone with a meaningless fight.
Traveler1234
10-08-07, 02:06
Boring?...absolutely!!!
I started it all because I had time on my hands this weekend, for a change and, prompted by Freeler a few weeks ago to start a controversy, purposely made a provocative statement that was guaranteed to start a fight. Well anyway, I had fun.
as for big fish in a little pond....I wish!
But, I still like the women.
I only posted because Duni asked for comments from the G's gallery...
"Big fish in small pond" means many things - I think you understand clearly my point.
And I'm glad we do agree on one thing - lovely pictures. Btw, looks like she's in a university unform...I thought you don't shit where you eat, or is it don't eat where you shit :D
Private Dancer is available for free download from Stephen Leather's site: http://www.stephenleather.com/unpub.html - well worth a read!
The other thing he did that I enjoyed was 'Confessions of a Thai Private Eye' which is an apparently non-fiction work, based on a set of interviews with some farang private detective in BKK.
Guys,
I am sure this is no secret to most of you big time Thai mongerers, but the aforementioned book is simply fantastic, a great eye opener and gives great insight into the circumstances and mindset of go-go bar girls and us farangs. As it says on the book's jacket (a bit cheesy on the jacket but having read it it is true): this reading should be made compulsory to every westerner setting foot in thailand. A classic.
Can't remember the name of the author (Stephen something).
Cheers
Old Thai Hand
10-08-07, 10:15
And I'm glad we do agree on one thing - lovely pictures. Btw, looks like she's in a university unform...I thought you don't shit where you eat, or is it don't eat where you shit :D
Not a current student of mine. She's graduated already and was a student of mine in her first year, a few years ago. These were taken later after she was not in my class anymore. But, I've never posted them before.
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The other thing he did that I enjoyed was 'Confessions of a Thai Private Eye' which is an apparently non-fiction work, based on a set of interviews with some farang private detective in BKK.Blunderer,
Yep. Klaus!
Giotto
Private Dancer is available for free download from Stephen Leather's site: http://www.stephenleather.com/unpub.html - well worth a read!
The other thing he did that I enjoyed was 'Confessions of a Thai Private Eye' which is an apparently non-fiction work, based on a set of interviews with some farang private detective in BKK.
All,
These are two outstanding, fascinating books. They are a must read for anyone mongering in Thailand. I learned so much from these books it was incredible.
Another great read, although a historical fictions book is the Bangkok 8 series by John Burdett. There are three books so far in the series; Bangkok 8, Bangkok Tattoo, and Bangkok Haunts.
[QUOTE=Logos]I arrived in BKK yesterday for only one night.
Arrived at thermae at around 1:30, entered at the back through the hotel lobby, sat down at a table in the middle and ordered a drink.
Logos,
Where exactly is Thermae? I have heard a lot about it but my taxi drivers never know what I am talking about. Please let us know.
a few weeks back i found myself in the sala deang area and had about 30min to spare so i did what any self respecting isg'er would do and headed towards to patpong 2 for some oral relief. i walked past that sisters place and got the whole hello hansum man routine but there was no time to investigate that option today. i wasnt quite in the mood for sol that day, instead i figured i would have a change of scenery and go to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) instead. i was in there once before, but only sat inside and had a drink with one of the girls before deciding to head off to sol instead. however, today there were no uniform clad hello, girls sat on the corner as usual, and a glance backwards up the passageway revealed no open doors or [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) signage of any kind. hmm, so there is no more [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) branch in patpong then? maybe old news to some, but i guess i didn't get that particular memo. (? )
so, star of light it was. gotta love those troopers at that venue. admittedly it can be a bit daunting to a newbie, but i was one of those once but now the goings on in there don't phase me one iota. twice bitten, only once shy my favourite girls there are lin and nom, and most times i have gone there i have had one of them, or sometimes both: d. today i was hoping to see lin but she was "out" (hmmm) so nom gladly stepped up to the plate.
nom is really really cute in an impish naughty girl kinda way, and imho looks younger than her 26 years. as soon as she saw me she gave me the universal hand/mouth gesture for daty which she particularly likes receiving from me so it was into the "restroom" we went. she sat down on the padded bench thing and offered herself to me to have a little nibble, which i duly did. but not for too long as i was aware of the time ticking by, so soon we switched positions and she got on her knees in front of me and got to work. i will spare the gory details of the next 10 minutes, suffice to say that it was without a doubt the best bbbjcim i have ever had, and trust me guys that is saying something. i have had her a few times before, but i guess she must have gotten better at it through experience or something.
shortly after we finished, i heard another girl entering (after nom gave her the go ahead as we were done) and i was still in the process of getting my trousers up, and would you believe it it was lin who had just returned from "wherever" she was, (which was obviously somewhere offsite servicing some lucky b'stard), and when she saw me, literally catching me with my pants down, much laughing and mutual feigned disappointment took place between us. god i love that girl. i have had some truly awesome fs sessions with her and she is such an angel. nom is also great fun but i have yet to try a fs with her. there is always next time. (and the time after, and the time after that.)
Where exactly is Thermae? I have heard a lot about it but my taxi drivers never know what I am talking about. Please let us know. I haven't been there for a while, but if I recall it is on Sukhumvit between soi 15-19. I had no luck there my last trip, but this time found one of my best ladies there. As described in a recent review, we spent about 24 hours together.
Hi LA,
not much discussion here about that special place.
I read about it in the net about 2 years ago.
Decided to try, went by at least 5 times almost shitting my pants from being scared what will it be liek to be blown in front of others.
At one day, got in and will never regret. Got serviced by a nice small dark
girl with a great blowjob on the sofa. The skills are simply amazing there.
The funny thing is that they somehow make it seem normal to be blown in front of all the other girls and customers, having a pretty strict education I almost could not believe that, but now I love it.
Went again and again. Tried many girls single double and triple (Lin one of the betetr ones, but did not see her for a while now) Lek, Lek, Tuk, Uan, Nok, Nom, Rabbit, Moon, .... and will continue.
Did anybody try ST there with one or two girls? They blow you until you cannot get it up anymore and then one more time ...... amazing experience, but not for every day!!
HAve fun and maybe we hear more,
Mike
Logos,
Where exactly is Thermae? I have heard a lot about it but my taxi drivers never know what I am talking about. Please let us know.
Thermae is below the Ruamchit Hotel on Sukhumvit.
Hi
Can anyone telle me what the average prices are for BF in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana)? And what are the average prices for LT (freelance vs gogo) in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana, Beer Garden, .)?
Thx in advance
Evil Penivel
10-12-07, 03:00
Where exactly is Thermae? I have heard a lot about it but my taxi drivers never know what I am talking about. Please let us know.
It's easy to miss. Here are some photos.
Evil
Hi
Can anyone telle me what the average prices are for BF in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana)? And what are the average prices for LT (freelance vs gogo) in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana, Beer Garden, .)?
Thx in advanceDude,
Use the seach function and do some research. The Thailand forum is by far the most comprehensive. There is a wealth of information in here. Everything you need to know and then some.
Traveler1234
10-12-07, 14:02
Hi
Can anyone telle me what the average prices are for BF in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana)? And what are the average prices for LT (freelance vs gogo) in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana, Beer Garden, .)?
Thx in advance
Phuquar's FR from 2005 in the Reports of distinction is still accurate, even though a couple of years old. I suggest you start from there (I think it's the first or second report in that thread), and then come back with a more specific question.
Going to Bangkok next week. Can anybody recommend the fishbowl with the best looking girls?
Retired Army
10-14-07, 15:24
Going to Bangkok next week. Can anybody recommend the fishbowl with the best looking girls?
Check out the massage parlor thread.
In my opinion Posidon is the best.
Lover Boy #2
10-15-07, 05:35
Check out the massage parlor thread.
In my opinion Posidon is the best.
....but that 500b extra for FARANG is very annoying and racist. I think Nataree and Colonze don't rip off foreigners for the sake of eye slant and/or skin color.
Hi
Can anyone telle me what the average prices are for BF in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana)? And what are the average prices for LT (freelance vs gogo) in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana, Beer Garden, .)?
Thx in advance
Many girls are trying to push up to 1500 or even 2000 for ST, but I would say 80 per cent accept 1000 eventually. And we should all stick to that level !!! Don't forget they get another 100 or 200 on the bar fine too, which has gone up to 600. Plus on their drinks.
Retired Army
10-15-07, 20:52
....but that 500b extra for FARANG is very annoying and racist. I think Nataree and Colonze don't rip off foreigners for the sake of eye slant and/or skin color.
I consider the 500 THB to be fair compensation for the wear and tear and depreciation and disposition of the asset when I am through with it.
It's like a rental car, I am going to drive the hell out of it and turn it in dirty. I pay extra for the company to maintain it, clean it and utlimately dispose of it.
Many girls are trying to push up to 1500 or even 2000 for ST, but I would say 80 per cent accept 1000 eventually. And we should all stick to that level !!! Don't forget they get another 100 or 200 on the bar fine too, which has gone up to 600. Plus on their drinks.I heartily agree sir! I appreciate that to some folks money is no object, and we all have paid over the odds for a stunner. But by agreeing to pay more without even a good moan over it is driving the prices up for a lot of us!!! And if you are mongering at a ferocious level, it gets pricey!! I hope this argument starts a ferocious argument!
I consider the 500 THB to be fair compensation for the wear and tear and depreciation and disposition of the asset when I am through with it.
It's like a rental car, I am going to drive the hell out of it and turn it in dirty. I pay extra for the company to maintain it, clean it and utlimately dispose of it.
Maybe, but why should you pay more for the same car than I do? (Or vice-versa).
I found that every go go girl asked for B1500 or B2000 on my last trip.
I've been asked for all that and more for years... in fact, I remember paying 3k plus barfine for ST from Patpong about 10 years ago. I only paid this because my education was sadly lacking and I genuinely believed she wouldn't take any less. I look back now and shake my head with amazement at the younger me.
I apologize to every single person here for paying that much and contributing to unnecessary inflation.
What is asked for is completely utterly irrelevant, as relevant as the salt content of medium grade, high gloss patent leather, maybe even a little less so, because at least the latter probably matters to some chemist somewhere. The only relevant number is what they can get. The number they can get is set by you and I my friends. If the prices creep up we have but ourselves and our brethren to blame and noone else.
To come back to current prices, for LT you should be able to get 1500 + BF. I've never had anyone say no to 2000, but, since the 3k event mentioned above, I've never actually paid more than 1500 LT in BKK (the reason I mention 2k is that sometimes that is a number that always comes up while we are bringing the price down during negotiations).
I've had a grand total of one girl reject the 1500 number - in Nana Plaza. Noone from Soi Cowboy has ever said no to it (and somewhere between 50-100 at Nana have said yes).
My standard price for street walkers is 1000 LT, and I very rarely get complaints for that - usually I avoid all discussion about price with street walkers and just give them the 1000 in the morning/afternoon. There is sometimes a token attempt to negotiate more after the fact, but it is never very serious and we both know it.
Ocassionally street walkers are gogo dancers who have failed to find a customer that night, and try and negotiate a bit more than 1000. If I am in the mood, I will let them push me to 1500, but not one baht more. With that pricing structure, I have never had a no on the street.
To summarize - I've only ever had one girl reject 1500 LT in a gogo bar (and she said she would take 2k)
If there is no discussion, 1k LT is good for a street pickup.. only offer 1.5k LT under extreme duress and if you are really really keen.
Here's a handy little rhyme to help you remember:
When in Bangkok having your fun,
Heed what follows to avoid getting stung.
If she dances, take no chances
For one point five kay, she'll go your way
If she's a walker, don't be a talker
One thou in the morn'll buy more than porn
^^ No, honestly, that didn't come from a book or anything, I wrote it myself.
Even after saying all this, the funny thing is, if I was to see someone overpaying and I went up to everyone else in the bar, pulled out their wallets, took a few thousand baht from each one, then, threw the money in a pile on the floor and set fire to it, then, handed each person their wallet back and spat in their faces as I did so, I'd be the one who'd get the shit kicked out of him, yet, my crime would only have a one off effect on each person, whereas Mr Overpayment is costing everyone over and over and over again into the future. Is it I, who openly steals from you and spits in your face, or Mr Overpayment who costs you money and doesn't even have the decency to look you in the eye while he metaphorically spits in your face, that is your greatest enemy?
After all is said and done, I'd pay you back the money I stole, and apologize for spitting in your face and explain it was vitally necessary to make a point, then, if you were really upset, I'd rent someone to lick it clean.
I found that every go go girl asked for B1500 or B2000 on my last trip.
Because I like to ride the clutch?
Sorry, I had to bring this one back, there seems to be a problem with the exhaust?
In all seriousness, there is no reason you should pay more, they only charge it because they can - dog, has balls, will lick.
This stuff drives me fucking crazy - mainly because the solution is so blindingly fucking obvious, yet, short of buying a placard and spending my days out the front of the place, I am utterly unable to implement said solution.
Do not patronize places that have stupid foreigner fees/unreasonable overcharges etc etc, then the establishments are left with 2 choices: become non-farang places (fine), or, lower prices/abolish fees until customers come back.
It is my teary eyed dream that once Jackson gets the wiki up and running (which will be supercool!) that we can maintain a boycott list in the hopes that members of this board will adhere to it and some real changes can be effected. We'll be like our own little mini UN with trade sanctions and embargoes - the only difference will be that we'll the US will be a genuine part of our new mongers UN rather than operating independently ;)
Maybe, but why should you pay more for the same car than I do? (Or vice-versa).
Wow, that was post 100 :)
Retired Army
10-16-07, 05:35
Maybe, but why should you pay more for the same car than I do? (Or vice-versa).
Because I ain't the sharpest crayon in the box. And what the hell it's only 500 THB. Compared to what I have spent on women it's a spit in the ocean.
I also have this belief that if I am a little more generous than the average monger I will get better service. When you get to be my age it's hard work for the woman to get me off. When I was 20 it only took two minutes, at 30 it was 30 minutes, and now in my 50's it takes forever. Therefore, I feel that a little extra is justified to compensate the poor girl for the extra work.
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I also have this belief that if I am a little more generous than the average monger I will get better service. When you get to be my age it's hard work for the woman to get me off. When I was 20 it only took two minutes, at 30 it was 30 minutes, and now in my 50's it takes forever. Therefore, I feel that a little extra is justified to compensate the poor girl for the extra work.Retired Army,
LOL. May be the massage parlours should think about an age surcharge...:)
Giotto
Because I ain't the sharpest crayon in the box. And what the hell it's only 500 THB. Compared to what I have spent on women it's a spit in the ocean.
I don't see how that is even vaguely relevant....?
I also have this belief that if I am a little more generous than the average monger I will get better service. When you get to be my age it's hard work for the woman to get me off. When I was 20 it only took two minutes, at 30 it was 30 minutes, and now in my 50's it takes forever. Therefore, I feel that a little extra is justified to compensate the poor girl for the extra work.
And, that my friend, I quite agree with, however, you are putting the cart before the horse.
It is one thing to make it clear that you will pay a little extra and to do so following a high standard of customer care. It is quite another to pay a surcharge for a high standard of customer care in the hopes that the act of paying the surcharge will ensure it happens.
The former makes good sense, the latter make no sense whatsoever! Do you get in a taxi, say, I am late for a flight, and here is a tip just in case you get me there on time, but keep it even if you don't, in fact keep it even if you don't try?
Now that the tipping issue is out of the way... this 500 baht isn't even a bloody tip, it is an institutionally mandated fee based around the colour of your knob! Once more, by all means tip the girl. If you think she might find you a bit more disgusting because you are a farang, or a redhead or whatever, tip her, but, don't fall into the trap of thinking that this fee is by any means a fucking tip, it just isn't, it is a tax. For a tip, at least you can hope for some sort of return. Actually scratch that, it is worse than a tax as well, in theory at least, tax dollars are spent on something to you (or the electorate of which you are a member) want, for this 500 baht you get absolutely fucking nothing except a metaphorical sore arse.
When I talk to people like you, I am not angry exactly, and don't feel bad towards them personally about it - it is more like watching someone who is really environmentally unfriendly - chucks polystyrene containers out the window of the car all the time etc... I just feel like, come on, the advantage and convenience to you is so trivial when weighed up against the damage that you and a thousand like you do to the environment at large. Small changes in the behavior of folks like you can lead to some very real and recognizable benefits for everyone (including you!).
To put it another way, if everyone thought the same way you do, then everywhere would charge an extra 500 fee... then, 1000, 2000.... before you know it, our brothers can only afford 1 week instead of 2, then a weekend, then not at all.
Lover Boy #2
10-16-07, 06:07
This has nothing to do with it. The charge is made by the house....the girl probably only gets a small piece of it. If the girl was saying "you farang....you have huge peanut...tear my pussy apart........you so huge....you fu ck longtime and have such big size...you so strong have big muscle...thrust so hard I think your dick come out my ear...... have to charge extra because of wear and tear on my small Asian pussy....Asian man have small peanut...and come fast....so you pay 500b extra".......then I could buy into the theory of the vehicle rental, etc........but under the circumstance of the house charging just because they can...and most farang knuckle under....then I cannot buy into your theory. So solly!
Because I ain't the sharpest crayon in the box. And what the hell it's only 500 THB. Compared to what I have spent on women it's a spit in the ocean.
I also have this belief that if I am a little more generous than the average monger I will get better service. When you get to be my age it's hard work for the woman to get me off. When I was 20 it only took two minutes, at 30 it was 30 minutes, and now in my 50's it takes forever. Therefore, I feel that a little extra is justified to compensate the poor girl for the extra work.
NicFrenchy
10-16-07, 06:10
Retired Army,
LOL. May be the massage parlours should think about an age surcharge...:)
GiottoFantastic Idea! that means I'd get a discount right?
Lover Boy #2
10-16-07, 06:14
Looks like we posted simultaneously Blunderer.....so......what he said too!! (your explanation is better than mine....but basically the same point...maybe the guy will see your wisdom!)
I don't see how that is even vaguely relevant....?
And, that my friend, I quite agree with, however, you are putting the horse before the cart.
It is one thing to make it clear that you will pay a little extra and to do so following a high standard of customer care. It is quite another to pay a surcharge for a high standard of customer care in the hopes that the act of paying the surcharge will ensure it happens.
The former makes good sense, the latter make no sense whatsoever! Do you get in a taxi, say, I am late for a flight, and here is a tip just in case you get me there on time, but keep it even if you don't, in fact keep it even if you don't try?
Now that the tipping issue is out of the way... this 500 baht isn't even a bloody tip, it is an institutionally mandated fee based around the colour of your knob! Once more, by all means tip the girl. If you think she might find you a bit more disgusting because you are a farang, or a redhead or whatever, tip her, but, don't fall into the trap of thinking that this fee is by any means a fucking tip, it just isn't, it is a tax. For a tip, at least you can hope for some sort of return. Actually scratch that, it is worse than a tax as well, in theory at least, tax dollars are spent on something to you (or the electorate of which you are a member) want, for this 500 baht you get absolutely fucking nothing except a metaphorical sore arse.
When I talk to people like you, I am not angry exactly, and don't feel bad towards them personally about it - it is more like watching someone who is really environmentally unfriendly - chucks polystyrene containers out the window of the car all the time etc... I just feel like, come on, the advantage and convenience to you is so trivial when weighed up against the damage that you and a thousand like you do to the environment at large. Small changes in the behavior of folks like you can lead to some very real and recognizable benefits for everyone (including you!).
To put it another way, if everyone thought the same way you do, then everywhere would charge an extra 500 fee... then, 1000, 2000.... before you know it, our brothers can only afford 1 week instead of 2, then a weekend, then not at all.
My standard price for street walkers is 1000 LT, and I very rarely get complaints for that - usually I avoid all discussion about price with street walkers and just give them the 1000 in the morning/afternoon. There is sometimes a token attempt to negotiate more after the fact, but it is never very serious and we both know it.
Ocassionally street walkers are gogo dancers who have failed to find a customer that night, and try and negotiate a bit more than 1000. If I am in the mood, I will let them push me to 1500, but not one baht more. With that pricing structure, I have never had a no on the street.
If there is no discussion, 1k LT is good for a street pickup.. only offer 1.5k LT under extreme duress and if you are really really keen.Re street walkers SWs in BKK around NEP and along Sukhumvit.
Generally a long time LT does not interest me since I like to sleep alone, and would happily pay 1000 if I had to to get rid of a girl. If she had no where to sleep then I might be a nice guy and let her stay the night, if I get to fondle her whenever I feel like it. LOL.
My standard payout for a SW short time ST is 1000 per hour, but I am always happy to hear them volunteer an offer of the same for two hours. I make it clear that this will involve a full two hours of whatever we agreed to, whether kissing for that entire time, pumping, BLS, or whatever I fancy that day. If I give them two hours or more I expect a discounted rate for the extra time, like 2000 for three hours of boom boom.
On the sidewalk outside the Nana parking lot recently an above average looking young lady asked me for 1500 for an hour. I laughed and said 1000, one hour, no shower. Kissing only. She said 1200. But she needed the help of her friend, who recommended her to me as good, to understand what service I was asking for. She then said no to my request and offered everythig, fuck, suck, kiss. I reiterated my request and when she declined I said maybe another time. One thousand is the typical price in that spot, but P4P TGs asking fifteen hundred is not uncommon.
I would never try taking a TG without negotiating a definite price for specific services beforehand, since even in this they often try to weasle out of due time and or push hard for more pay. I have to think that a non negotiated encounter could end very badly and sadly. I like to separate with both parties satisfied and content. When this is not the case I tend not to want to repeat, and regulars is what I am interested in, not bedding every thing that moves and looks hot. Though I am the forgiving type, there is too much tail in BKK to give a second chance to any girls who provide poor service or attitude.
Finally, boys, always sleep with your hands above the covers, this way you won't be tempted to touch your weiner.
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Poonhound69
10-16-07, 11:57
You sick, sick, sick man.
Hillarious, especially the accountant.
That didn’t work, cos she couldn’t hold her tits properly. So tried some thigh-fucking. Nice smooth and soft skin, but just couldn’t bust the nut. So fucked her armpit. Kneeling behind her, pulled the dick a little sideways so the head was no longer in her armpit but coming out at her upper arm, pointing at her face. Then fired the cannon. All over the face and hair. Har har, payback time. She was not amused, but the Shooter was.
Ralph Kramden
10-16-07, 13:54
Retired Army
I hear you brother. At 55 I am in fantastic physical condition and can pop my load in a few minutes if I want. But the problem is I am only good for one round, so I like to get my jollies by working that pussy real good a long time in 7 or 8 positions. Then I finally hit my home run with some extra long vigorous thrusting in mish. Believe me, those poor little gals deserve an extra 500 after that workout, and I am not even winded. I sure wish I could go another 1 or 2 times, but my juice tank is empty after one.
Retired Army
10-16-07, 14:11
Looks like we posted simultaneously Blunderer.....so......what he said too!! (your explanation is better than mine....but basically the same point...maybe the guy will see your wisdom!)
I hear what you guys are saying and nothing pisses me off more about Thailand than the farang surcharge. Living in Thailand as long as I have I have learned to either avoid those places that charge extra for farangs or, if I really need to or want to, suck it up and pay. What I usually do is just send the Thai wife to buy the tickets (or whatever) and have her give them to me. Sometimes I am stopped and questioned, but I just show my residency card and drivers license and it's end of story. However, I am not going to send my wife to Posidon to pay for a soapie for me to save 500THB. I just consider it a cost of doing business.
My point is that it's 500THB, and if I really to go to Posidon, 500THB extra isn't going to deter me. I don't mind dropping a couple of hundred dollars at Pegusus or Sposo's because I don't do it that often and I want to enjoy myself when I do.
What I don't understand is guys that pay a $1,000 to fly to Thailand and then nickle-and-dime the locals. How many posts have there been about guys short-changing the girl they spent the night with?
P.S, I also hate the newbies that come, over pay and drive the price up for those who live here. But, we are talking two separate issues. I guess it all depends what you are looking for: the cheapest screw in town or a good experience. For that I am willing to pay extra.
Retired Army
10-16-07, 14:23
Retired Army
I hear you brother. At 55 I am in fantastic physical condition and can pop my load in a few minutes if I want. But the problem is I am only good for one round, so I like to get my jollies by working that pussy real good a long time in 7 or 8 positions. Then I finally hit my home run with some extra long vigorous thrusting in mish. Believe me, those poor little gals deserve an extra 500 after that workout, and I am not even winded. I sure wish I could go another 1 or 2 times, but my juice tank is empty after one.
You have my admiration. Like you I am 55, but unless I have the wife dress up like a Catholic school girl (just kidding) and do things that are illegal in most Southern U. S. bible-belt states I just can't get off. It's very frustrating. And about once every three days to recharge the juice sack.
Once I picked up this girl at Spaso's, took her back to my condo and after an hour of extremely hard work managed to cum. Only problem was blood in the ejaculate. Went to Bumrungrad and doctor told me I tried so hard that I burst a blood vessel in my crank.
That's why I don't mind paying extra for any girl that can get me off. And there have been some at Pegagus that have done the job quite nicely.
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