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Bareback Jack
05-30-12, 14:50
I am happy to concede the bragging rights to this title to WB and others who are motivated by price and nothing but price, even though I'd like to point out that, in reality my gardener might deserve the crown bcs he only pays 100 or 200 at Kongowea and Saba Saba.I'm more than happy to play in the premier league and, as you concede the bragging rights for the cheapest lay to the said individuals. However, interesting that those who brag the most have actual never wrote a field report or posted a photo. What does that tell us?
Must be low season again, seeing that you guys are re-hashing the " but I managed to find a lay for less than you" thread.
I am happy to concede the bragging rights to this title to WB and others who are motivated by price and nothing but price, even though I'd like to point out that, in reality my gardener might deserve the crown bcs he only pays 100 or 200 at Kongowea and Saba Saba.
I fail to understand how some mzungu monger can allocate maybe 7 days of his annual vacation plus at least 600 Euro for a bargain basement ticket plus a similar amount for hotel and food only to then go for girls at the bottom of the barrel. Wake up guys and realize that you can get a top notch girl for just a fraction of what you would pay at home! The few days you spend in Kenya are too precious to waste on anything less than a first class experience. ,
I grew up on North American pricing ($ 20 per 3 min dance at an SC + VIP fees if you desire privacy and / or between $200 and 500 per hr for an escort) and now that I live in Kenya I am happy to pay whatever I feel is adequate to reward top drawer talent (please consider that I am old and ugly and can't compete with all you young bucks anymore in the optics dept ). The girls in my rotation all know how to present themselves well, are reasonably well educated and are all slim and pretty and, in general, a pleasure to be with in or out of the bedroom.
They know that the hotel where I meet them charges me about 3k for the room. I would feel very cheap if I were to offer them anything less than that for 2 hrs of no holes barred sex, after the 2nd or 3rd repeat, once she becomes a regular. Of course, it's a pure biz relationship all around, but who says we have to be mean about it and take advantage of the fact that there are 20 others waiting to take her place for maybe half of what she is getting used to getting by now.I feel really not called to pay more to prostitution.
Because I pay an expensive plane ticket and sleep in a solid room. Security no longer paid its mass mara Kahama because they are also more class hotel.
Jack, you come across as very opinionated, high standards indeed, the photo gallery awaits your contribution in order to prove you do not just talk the talk. Been a member here for seven years, read a lot of bullshit. Hell, should I show you a hoe for £25? Declined Jack. Prove yourself, perhaps then we can take you seriously.
I have contributed a high ratio of 292 photo attachments thoughout the forum, many FACTUAL trip reports. Post count is to your left.
You mention, most girls not being to your sexual desires. I had an experience once where I too believed I had reached a stage of impotence, could not get it up on one occassion; hell, was I crushed. Had to conclude: this is going to happen after sexing 3 girls the day before, draining me, fortunately this turned out to be the case after some nutricious food, was back to my usual antics and horny the following day.
Perhaps you should opt for a healthier lifestyle rather than filling yourself with V and C. A positive mindset is essential to life, perhaps you are also depressed? Chin up. Cheer up mate. It is not all about the money you insist on flushing away.
We await your proof Jack? I rest this little interlude.
Bareback Jack
05-31-12, 13:34
Jack, you come across as very opinionatedLook who is talking. Why do you feel like I was addressing you with my comment? I'm well able to look up other member's postings. But if I say that a certain individual permanently goes on about how people are stupid and how he gets laid for 500 KSh but has not posted a photo ever, you jump the gun at me as if I was attacking you? Sounds pretty paranoid to me.
high standards indeed, the photo gallery awaits your contribution in order to prove you do not just talk the talk. Been a member here for seven years, read a lot of bullshit. Hell, should I show you a hoe for £25? Declined Jack. Prove yourself, perhaps then we can take you seriously.
I have contributed a high ratio of 292 photo attachments thoughout the forum, many FACTUAL trip reports. Post count is to your left.Again, what makes you think I was talking about you? But to answer your question: I have posted in the Mombasa photo gallery what my taste is for. You can look that up and yes, I haven't been on here as long as you or posted as much as you. But for me it's about quality not quantity. I will still maintain that the few pictures I posted are of a very high standard and I have received many positive messages and comments for that so I think I don't stand alone with my opinion.
You mention, most girls not being to your sexual desires. I had an experience once where I too believed I had reached a stage of impotence, could not get it up on one occassion; hell, was I crushed.My condolences go out to you. Don't beat yourself up too much.
Perhaps you should opt for a healthier lifestyle rather than filling yourself with V and C. A positive mindset is essential to life, perhaps you are also depressed?You seem to make a lot of assumptions. Judging by your most recent postings and the quite substantial deposit of fat on your tummy, it might be good advice for yourself to consider a few more healthy food choices, unless of course you took a picture of someone else fucking in which case I would take that back. As for myself, I go twice a year for full fitness testing and blood testing. I am a triathlete in very good condition (RHR 42, BP 115/75, Vo2max 60) and know a lot about healthy living.
As for positive mindset: I have just taken a sabbatical year and have enjoyed the ocean view from my 3, 000 sq ft home every single day, having a truly beautiful woman in my arms and in my bed. Why on earth would I be depressed?
DylanGerman
05-31-12, 23:02
Somebody told me that sextoys are verbidden in Kenia and you get in trouble with law when they catch you at the airport.
But now I found a online sexshop who sell sextoys in kenia.
Fly tomorrow to kenia, do I get in trouble if they caught me with sextoys in the bag?
Somebody told me that sextoys are verbidden in Kenia and you get in trouble with law when they catch you at the airport.
But now I found a online sexshop who sell sextoys in kenia.
Fly tomorrow to kenia, do I get in trouble if they caught me with sextoys in the bag?The police can put you in gail.
If one girl now that you having this think in our room. Than contakt police. 25000ksh for her. 25000 for police (not evry girl doing this, but not risk plaese)
Photo (nude). Same situation.
Pete Benetar
06-01-12, 19:33
Sent you a PM Willy; had sent one a few days ago (same) and my experience with the PMs here is if my mailbox is full, I will not be notified of new or incoming pm's so you might want to check space availability of your inbox.
Best Regards.
Pb
This Girl is a big Lier and Cheater! Be very carefull, I know her 2 Years, but she got me this time.
She comes from Kisumu and live in Mtwapa or sometimes Shanzu.
Tagged Profil:
http://www.tagged.com/profile.html?uid=5966555182#fpt=0&fpa=pic
I don't want to tell the howl Story. But belive me. She is a *Not crying my friend. From mtwapa to town. Only liars end liars. You are not the first end the last one, paying big money penalty for one fake love story. Also I recived mail from good girlfriend asking for 50. 000ksh with western union. I say no. End recived bad mails from her. This girl smile in my face about all SMALL? Money wath I was giving bifore. Mans thinking about balls. Kenya girls about money. If you are 10 jaers older than this girls. THERE IS ONLY MONEY IN THE AIR. Not love.
Many big tree girls sitting with baby in stomic from mzungus. But fucking around with adder mzungus. If you coming around bamburi evry 2 months. You believe not your eyes. Mzungus fucking around, but girls also. But mzungus having name MZUNGU MALAYA.
Kenya girls thoking always about serious relation. But this words having 000000 valeu.
I now one girl in bamburi. This girl is very open against my. Last thime, this girl told my. There is one german guy in my life. Sending evry month 200 euro for her. The man was giving invitation for Germany. But refuus from ambassy. The man making now baby with her. Last visit. I look her stomic end was asking :you wait for baby. Answer yes. I giving her taxi money to go out of my room. Like big friends. I not want to give sperm over baby from adder mzungu. This was one bridge to far for my. This girls can do all in the name of money. Advice :fuck this girls end pay for service. Never fall in love with this malayas from kenya. Tagged or afro introduction. Are like big lakes for fisching. Internet malayas 100 procent. Notting about love. Money end more money. More laptops end black berrys. More money asshols are waiting. The game will never stop. New fish is coming very soon. Always in mailtext. You coming first thime in Kenya. YES-YES new money is coming.
I'm not crying. I just want to warn other Mongers.
She lies and steals. But she is quite clever and can wait longtime to attack!How girls from around mtwapa survivel? 80 present have no job (hairdressers) 15 procent live from western union. 5 procent live van job (less than 10. 000ksh / month.
It job from this girls. Staels en schitting mzungus.
Member #4364
06-06-12, 19:24
Sorry Beno; we re talking about Afrika; no welfare system; poorness and.
an explosion of the population.
If I set one footstep out of my apartment in Africa I'll hearing only lies;
If I don't lock my property it's my risk if I let a visitor inside.
Hey; the people want to survive; give them a business and lock your.
Property; and the stories of the girls; if you re believing them.
maybe It's true or not
Sorry Beno; we re talking about Afrika; no welfare system; poorness and.
An explosion of the population.
If I set one footstep out of my apartment in Africa I'll hearing only lies;
If I don't lock my property it's my risk if I let a visitor inside.
Hey; the people want to survive; give them a business and lock your.
Property; and the stories of the girls; if you re believing them.
Maybe It's true or notI was thinking that only I andestand the kenya system. But this man andestand also all body traps. WAUW
I now one girl in bamburi. This girl is very open against my. Last thime, this girl told my. There is one german guy in my life. Sending evry month 200 euro for her. The man was giving invitation for Germany. But refuus from ambassy. The man making now baby with her. Last visit. I look her stomic end was asking :you wait for baby. Answer yes. I giving her taxi money to go out of my room. Like big friends. I not want to give sperm over baby from adder mzungu. This was one bridge to far for my. This girls can do all in the name of money. Advice :fuck this girls end pay for service. Never fall in love with this malayas from kenya. Tagged or afro introduction. Are like big lakes for fisching. Internet malayas 100 procent. Notting about love. Money end more money. More laptops end black berrys. More money asshols are waiting. The game will never stop. New fish is coming very soon. Always in mailtext. You coming first thime in Kenya. YES-YES new money is coming.Hi willyboy, I have a friend that went to village in kenya and found nice Christian girl. Only send money twice in two years. Now thet are happily married and settled in Canada. You can find a girl friend or wife in Kenya that is nice and not after your money. But Willyboy is right most of them are after money.
Expat Kenya
06-07-12, 00:35
You can find a girl friend or wife in Kenya that is nice and not after your money. But Willyboy is right most of them are after money.I think it is a limited area where most tourists interact with local ladies, on the beach, in clubs, at Nakumatt and other meeting points, most ladies are malaya's. There are some serious ladies at places where most tourists don't come.
Cheers!
Bareback Jack
06-23-12, 20:42
The argument that price doesn't equal quality is being repeated quite often across several threads. However, let's not forget that, while everyone here has basically the same interest, requirements are often different. Tourists often don't need to care about what they leave behind. On the other hand if you are a resident here, whether married or in a long term relationship, discretion if often something very important and this is very hard to find in the common hot-spots where price is simply dictated by demand and supply. While it is true that the experience that you get from your sexual adventures is not necessary correlated with looks, style or education, I do enjoy a lady who is well presented and pleasant a lot more than someone who isn't. Maintenance costs are logically higher for someone who takes pride in their appearance. This might not be relevant for a tourist who comes on a fuck and forget basis, but it is relevant if you are entertaining a group of regular contacts, where mutual respect is essential to an enjoyable experience. You can't really put a price on that!
Pete Benetar
06-23-12, 20:53
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN). USA officials in Kenya have warned of an "imminent threat" of a terror attack on Mombasa and urged Americans to leave the port city.
Mombasa, the second-largest city and a major tourist spot for the East African nation, is one of various cities targeted by a series of grenade attacks in recent months.
The USA Embassy in the capital, Nairobi, said it has suspended all USA government travel to Mombasa until July 1.
"All U.S. government personnel are required to leave Mombasa," the embassy said in a statement Friday. "U.S. private citizens are not subject to the same restrictions, but should consider this information in their travel planning."
The warning did not elaborate on the threat or why it targeted the port city.
Kenyan forces invaded southern Somalia in October to battle Islamist militant group al-Shabaab, which it blamed for attacks and kidnappings of foreigners in the nation. The terror group has threatened Kenya with retaliatory attacks, saying it considers the forces' incursion an affront to Somalia's sovereignty.
Since the invasion, Kenya has been targeted by a series of grenade attacks blamed on the terror group or its supporters.
Al-Shabaab is linked to al Qaeda and has been designated a terrorist organization by the United States.
LustyHombre
06-24-12, 04:56
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN). USA officials in Kenya have warned of an "imminent threat" of a terror attack on Mombasa and urged Americans to leave the port city.
Mombasa, the second-largest city and a major tourist spot for the East African nation, is one of various cities targeted by a series of grenade attacks in recent months.
The USA Embassy in the capital, Nairobi, said it has suspended all USA government travel to Mombasa until July 1.
"All USA government personnel are required to leave Mombasa," the embassy said in a statement Friday."USA private citizens are not subject to the same restrictions, but should consider this information in their travel planning."
The warning did not elaborate on the threat or why it targeted the port city.
Kenyan forces invaded southern Somalia in October to battle Islamist militant group al-Shabaab, which it blamed for attacks and kidnappings of foreigners in the nation. The terror group has threatened Kenya with retaliatory attacks, saying it considers the forces' incursion an affront to Somalia's sovereignty.
Since the invasion, Kenya has been targeted by a series of grenade attacks blamed on the terror group or its supporters.
Al-Shabaab is linked to al Qaeda and has been designated a terrorist organization by the United States.They say : better be safe than sorry, BUT considering the history (or rather lack thereof) of prior published threats, I refuse to be panicked and will just stay put.
Let's re-visit on July 02!
Bareback Jack
06-25-12, 13:03
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN). USA officials in Kenya have warned of an "imminent threat" of a terror attack on Mombasa and urged Americans to leave the port city.
Mombasa, the second-largest city and a major tourist spot for the East African nation, is one of various cities targeted by a series of grenade attacks in recent months.
The USA Embassy in the capital, Nairobi, said it has suspended all USA government travel to Mombasa until July 1.
"All USA government personnel are required to leave Mombasa," the embassy said in a statement Friday."USA private citizens are not subject to the same restrictions, but should consider this information in their travel planning."
The warning did not elaborate on the threat or why it targeted the port city.
Kenyan forces invaded southern Somalia in October to battle Islamist militant group al-Shabaab, which it blamed for attacks and kidnappings of foreigners in the nation. The terror group has threatened Kenya with retaliatory attacks, saying it considers the forces' incursion an affront to Somalia's sovereignty.
Since the invasion, Kenya has been targeted by a series of grenade attacks blamed on the terror group or its supporters.
Al-Shabaab is linked to al Qaeda and has been designated a terrorist organization by the United States.If the information came from a more respectable source than US officials, I'd be more worried. Just to be clear, I'm not anti american.
Sunny Snow
06-25-12, 13:52
Hell Everybody,
I never been to Kenya before and will visit Mombasa in early July. I booked Bamburi Beach Hotel online, wondering if there is any good spot to get girls around.
Thanks in priority for your info, hehe.
Hi Jhack.
Be careful in so simply dismissing such official warnings. Look at this:
Police official Aggrey Adoli said Monday that anti-terror police have taken one suspect into custody for the Sunday grenade and gunfire attack on a bar outside the coastal city of Mombasa. Adoli said there were three explosions and heavy gunfire during the attack.
I would not care to gamble like you seem to do. After all, there are other, much safer places to go.
Zambia. Here I come in only four days!
Goshawk
Sir Van Koff
06-25-12, 17:10
If the information came from a more respectable source than US officials, I'd be more worried. Just to be clear, I'm not anti american.Http://allafrica.com/stories/201206250352.html
Within 24 hrs of the warning.
Member #4148
06-25-12, 17:51
Someone got it right for a change.
Bareback Jack
06-25-12, 17:52
Http://allafrica.com/stories/201206250352.html
Within 24 hrs of the warning.Fair enough, but this was a rather small scale event in a fairly local place where you'd be hard pressed to see an american face any given time. Does this really justify such over-reaction? To be fair, there is a bigger death toll by insane gunmen in the US every year than by terror attacks by extremists in Kenya. If you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time you are always out of luck.
Http://allafrica.com/stories/201206250352.html
Within 24 hrs of the warning.JHACK111, now I imagine some folks will blame US for this happening. I hope you weren't one of the 3 revelers at that pub. I am an American, and I too sometimes think some of the alerts and warnings are overblown. But given the incidents that have occurred in Mombasa and Nairobi the past year, I may not have fled Mombasa when this warning was issued, but I most certainly would have avoided crowded venues. My black tail would have been either at the beach (I could see more clearly and likelihood of an attack on the beach is virtually nil) or in my apartment. I would fire up my Safaricom broadband to keep abreast of sports while fondling some nubile breasts!
So I guess you and the guy in this article demanding a reversal on the warning have some serious egg on your faces. US intelligence may seem like an oxymoron given current administration, but I'll heed the caution.
Fair enough, but this was a rather small scale event in a fairly local place where you'd be hard pressed to see an american face any given time. Does this really justify such over-reaction? To be fair, there is a bigger death toll by insane gunmen in the US every year than by terror attacks by extremists in Kenya. If you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time you are always out of luck.True, but I wouldn't call it over-reaction. Besides, the US Embassy warning was / is directed only at US government workers, and meant as an advisory to private American citizens. Most tourists to Mombasa hail from Europe and India.
Bareback Jack
06-25-12, 18:11
I may not have fled Mombasa when this warning was issued, but I most certainly would have avoided crowded venues. My black tail would have been either at the beach (I could see more clearly and likelihood of an attack on the beach is virtually nil) or in my apartment. I would fire up my Safaricom broadband to keep abreast of sports while fondling some nubile breasts!Exactly, as you said, you wouldn't have fled Mombasa, but done the reasonable thing. Avoid hot spots
LustyHombre
06-25-12, 18:18
Http://allafrica.com/stories/201206250352.html
Within 24 hrs of the warning.My heart goes out to the families who lost a loved one is this cowardly attack!
While I don't want to belittle what happened here, me thinks we need to keep things in their proper perspective : when I hear "threat of terrorist attack" I envision something on or near the scale of 9/11, not just a hand grenade being tossed into a bar in a low-rent bedroom community of a big city.
Unfortunately, we have had a few grenades lobbed into crowds at bus stops in Nairobi as well as bars in Mombasa before, and I imagine the perpetrators like such "soft targets" because there are so many of them, which makes it pretty much impossible for the overt and covert state organs to deny the bad guys access to these locations.
Just remember : terrorists try to f*k with your mind by suggesting that a hand grenade in Mshoroni today could be replicated in Nyali tomorrow. Maybe they have the means to make it happen once in a blue moon, but how many blue moons are there in the average person's life?
While I can only talk for myself, I refuse to be scared by that small a probability and will just continue with my regular daily grind like nothing happened and like nothing is going to happen either.
Bareback Jack
06-25-12, 18:19
US intelligence may seem like an oxymoron given current administration, but I'll heed the caution.Jiggydus, it's not necessarily about credibility. If you read carefully I said "from a more respectable source" instead of "from a more credible source". I don't doubt that the US administration has very detailed and possibly accurate information at hand. However, what they choose to say in public or what they choose to share with their partners hasn't always been undistorted. Wiki Leaks and others have taught us this long ago.
Bareback Jack
06-25-12, 18:35
I would not care to gamble like you seem to do. After all, there are other, much safer places to go.It's scary when something happens quite near. Absolutely but:
I was visiting WTC in New York days before 9/11, I still keep visiting New York, and so do many millions of people every year.
I was in London not far from the events of 7/7, I still have a home in London and I keep working in the city.
I had a gun to my head in London in 2007, it did not make me leave London.
I had a gun to my head in Mombasa in March 2012 and I'm still here.
I have been scared to death and literally sh*tting my pants when this happened.
However, whether you sit home, change places or whether you follow all advice possibly available to you: In the end you have absolutely no control of where and when you die.
It's scary when something happens quite near. Absolutely but:However, whether you sit home, change places or whether you follow all advice possibly available to you: In the end you have absolutely no control of where and when you die.Well. You are right. But as a safety precaution we better stay from you. Always too close! Ah ah ah
Pete Benetar
06-26-12, 00:28
[QUOTE However, whether you sit home, change places or whether you follow all advice possibly available to you: In the end you have absolutely no control of where and when you die. [/QUOTE]
In civilian trauma we have an expression that "trauma is no accident" and to think you have no control over the time and place of your passing is a little simplistic. At home in the USA, um, I mean Canada, I like to drive humongous SUVs when I'm not tooling in my CTS-V. I don't take my pale ass into SE DC, the blue blood streets in Baltimore or off Bourbon St in NO. I drink infrequently, I stay inside most evenings, I don't go clubbing and if the US State Dept has issued a travel warning for US citizens I incorporate that warning into my sense of geopolitics and adjust my living habits accordingly. I did not read into that threat warning released by the US State Dept any prohibition for travel and if I were in a room on some beach in Mombasa I certainly would not run for the exit. It was a warning and it just happened to be very timely.
If I'm in Africa on sex-cation (only been to Ghana a few times) I might travel some with a solo gf but otherwise have been fully satisfied laying low and letting the girls come to me. In other venues where I'm more comfortable, such as the PI, I enjoy hitting clubs and so on, though the best source of entertainment for me has always been back at the hotel. Mombasa is high on my "places to go" list, but I'm psyched that staying at my hotel I will have plenty of tail and won't need to attend any church or go see an English football match at Jericho's to get my game on or get fragged for that matter.
Risk management is just SOP for people who can live with it and want to maximize their chances to live and phuck a few extra years.
My heart goes out to the families who lost a loved one is this cowardly attack!
Just remember : terrorists try to f*k with your mind by suggesting that a hand grenade in Mshoroni today could be replicated in Nyali tomorrow. Maybe they have the means to make it happen once in a blue moon, but how many blue moons are there in the average person's life?
While I can only talk for myself, I refuse to be scared by that small a probability and will just continue with my regular daily grind like nothing happened and like nothing is going to happen either.I too feel for the innocents involved as I have quite a few Kenyan friends (in two weeks I will be visiting my Kenyan connect I met in Nairobi, but who now lives in the US). My situation is a bit complicated, so she can't be my live-in gf; the best I could do is to put her up in a nearby rental property.
One thing I certainly know won't be going away anytime soon are the wand security checks in Kenya.
Member #4379
07-01-12, 21:28
I have been in Mtwapa town where there are lots of excellent furnished fully equipped kitchen apartments. Can anyone recommend the same near or on the beach just north or south of Mtwapa (Shanzu? Nyali? Kikambala?) Under $75 USD per night if possible. Private message me, thanks.
Member #4379
07-02-12, 07:58
Yes, I will read the posts. But this lazy guy wants to know what the prospects are for meeting women on the beach at Diani Beach during the day. Anyone had any experience of that? This would be in November. Also, any security issues on Diani Beach at night? I hear there may be some security issues. Feel free to send me a private message. If not Diani beach, what about Shanzu or Nyali for day action? Better? Worse?
LustyHombre
07-02-12, 16:07
Yes, I will read the posts. But this lazy guy wants to know what the prospects are for meeting women on the beach at Diani Beach during the day. Anyone had any experience of that? This would be in November. Also, any security issues on Diani Beach at night? I hear there may be some security issues. Feel free to send me a private message. If not Diani beach, what about Shanzu or Nyali for day action? Better? Worse?You'll do well on Diani Beach during Nov. I like to sit at 40 Thieves in the afternoons and watch the parade. This is by far the best swimming and sunbathing beach accessible to the general public in Kenya right now (with North of Lamu being off limits these days; it was always too eclectic and pricey to be visited by hoi polloi anyhow).
I wouldn't walk the beach after dark though, but that applies pretty much everywhere on the North Coast as well (except around Il Covo)
You'll have way more choice on Nyali Beach and Shanzu Beach, but those beaches are quite narrow and crowded and poorly kept. The ambience on Diani Beach is just so much better that, at least to me, it makes more than up for what it lacks in quantity.
There are people who do not feel comfortable staying in crowded hotels, and who would prefer to get accomodation in a more private setting. If anyone here would be interested in renting a furnished house in Mombasa for their holiday, please inbox me.
Am in Mombasa at the moment and would love to hook up with some fellow mongers who are interested in group sex and sex parties.
Donnachaa.
Do you happen to have a picture of a woman that goes for £25 a pop in London? I bet not, cause she will most likely be one hell of an ugly thing.Plenty of top stunners in london mate in soho you can fuck a model like Russian girl for £20 which is the going rate for 10 min missionary position, ok not a lot of time, but your still sticking your dick in a young hard stunner. Just look at soho walkups on google to confirm all this.
Bareback Jack
07-10-12, 19:57
Plenty of top stunners in london mate in soho you can fuck a model like Russian girl for £20 which is the going rate for 10 min missionary position, ok not a lot of time, but your still sticking your dick in a young hard stunner. Just look at soho walkups on google to confirm all this.I've lived in London for most of my adult life. Of course I know that you can get a quick fuck for a low budget. But the comparison isn't really holding up because you get a young stunner here for an entire night of fun. Plus, I'm not really into white girls. That's why I'm here after all.
Hey guys,
I am going to Malindi on the weekend, can you recommend places to stay and bars / discos to go.
Thank you very much in advance.
Member #4364
07-12-12, 18:35
Forget Malindi; it's history. Bamburi / Mtwapa is the hot spot
Member #4379
07-14-12, 21:14
[How about Diani Beach? You still recommend it?
QUOTE=Steve German; 1303287]Forget Malindi; it's history. Bamburi / Mtwapa is the hot spot[/QUOTE]
Munich1976
07-15-12, 13:05
Is it true that Tembo closed down? Where will all the ladies go on Fridays? I hope to casaurina.
DylanGerman
07-15-12, 17:03
Is it true that Tembo closed down? Where will all the ladies go on Fridays? I hope to casaurina.Yes, tembo is closed. Was there in June. But not so many ladys in casaurina. Maybe they go to town.
Is it true that Tembo closed down? Where will all the ladies go on Fridays? I hope to casaurina.2 of July. Tembo closed doors. Where this girls going. Evrywhere. The girls will finding you!
Member #4364
07-15-12, 18:35
I ve never done that; it's the 5 * area. If you want to stay at the.
Beach go to the north side
Member #4379
07-17-12, 18:31
Thanks Steve German, I will follow your advice in try to stay on the beach north of Mombasa. That means I'm looking for a beach cottage with kitchen or hotel that is under $75 USD per night and is girl friendly. Any recommendations? Where do you guys stay on the beach so you can meet girls on the beach during the day? That is what I want to do. I know Mtwapa has it but I would prefer to be right on the beach. As for Bamburi beach, can't find it! I see Nyali and Shanzu beaches north of Mombasa. If not, I will go to Diani beach unless people think you can't find girls on the Diani beach.
Member #4364
07-17-12, 18:44
If you want to stay at the beach area try the Indiana Beach Hotel; the ve not only rooms;
Also full equipped bungalows in the garden and studios with kitchen.
But expct not too much; the furniture / quality (in whole africa) is not that what I get in asia.
Windows, Air, Cable aso
Thanks Steve German, I will follow your advice in try to stay on the beach north of Mombasa. That means I'm looking for a beach cottage with kitchen or hotel that is under $75 USD per night and is girl friendly. Any recommendations? Where do you guys stay on the beach so you can meet girls on the beach during the day? That is what I want to do. I know Mtwapa has it but I would prefer to be right on the beach. As for Bamburi beach, can't find it! I see Nyali and Shanzu beaches north of Mombasa. If not, I will go to Diani beach unless people think you can't find girls on the Diani beach.Try big tree accomodation. Than evry minut. One girl will stubbel you for sex end money ofcours.
Member #4364
07-18-12, 18:22
Willy; please. W re want to ve a vacation in a averager; not * Star area; but the acaommodation of.
The Big Tree ist not that what I ecpect; maybe now it's new furnished
Willy; please. W re want to ve a vacation in a averager; not * Star area; but the acaommodation of.
The Big Tree ist not that what I ecpect; maybe now it's new furnishedTo stay in big tree accomodation? I never was staying there. But, you need not taxi to order malayas.
Member #4364
07-19-12, 18:25
Ok; gents. If somebody has information about an apartment around the nakumatt (north) please.
Give it to me. I know the nyali chalets and the pride inn (former glory).
I will going the next time for 5 weeks and want to ve an own receiver to book the premium tv card.
For the international channels. For such a long time I want to ve that for the evening entertainment;
And the girls are loving the music channel.
Thanks
Ok; gents. If somebody has information about an apartment around the nakumatt (north) please.
Give it to me. I know the nyali chalets and the pride inn (former glory).
I will going the next time for 5 weeks and want to ve an own receiver to book the premium tv card.
For the international channels. For such a long time I want to ve that for the evening entertainment;
And the girls are loving the music channel.
ThanksPrepare yourself to pay 5000s per day. This is moslim accomodation. The workers ripp-off you evry minut of the day.
Prepare yourself to pay 5000s per day. This is moslim accomodation. The workers ripp-off you evry minut of the day.There is special room in this accomodation (for moslims). You coming back 3am with girl end 5am the game start. I have notting against moslims. But the thiming is very bad. Just after your first fuck.
Member #4364
07-20-12, 20:05
Willy; this was round about 2000 or 2001. I'm a non-drinker. For the girls I ve found.
An agreement. I'm loving the area around nakumatt / Bob's.
5000; I'm staying 5 weeks and ll get for sure a good price; so I think a monthly rate.
60000 ksh is possible
Willy; this was round about 2000 or 2001. I'm a non-drinker. For the girls I ve found.
An agreement. I'm loving the area around nakumatt / Bob's.
5000; I'm staying 5 weeks and ll get for sure a good price; so I think a monthly rate.
60000 ksh is possibleIf you go from nakumatt to ex glory, go 200 meter more in this street, on you right site staying bungalos, there you can make good monthly price.
Member #4364
07-21-12, 20:23
Thanks Willy; no name; nothing; a sign or something like that?
I want to stay the first day in town and looking at this day (without luggage)
For a nice one; pool and SAT would be nice. 5 weeks is a long time;
So a bit equipement I want to ve.
Thanks
Thanks Willy; no name; nothing; a sign or something like that?
I want to stay the first day in town and looking at this day (without luggage)
For a nice one; pool and SAT would be nice. 5 weeks is a long time;
So a bit equipement I want to ve.
ThanksStay in town in DANCOURT HOTEL (after new Rio club) (naer car wash mombasa) Price 2500 single. 2500 double) Girls no problem (I'd card yes) ask rooms on street site)
Anather tip is DORS HOTEL (100 meter from casablanca) (ask room not on streetsite)
The accomodation naer ex glory, you can not miss.
I hold on Kahama (5000ksh) But for long visiters is this tomatch expensif.
In Mtwapa are places from 800ksh (hebricus) to 3000ksh (lucy appartments)
Bareback Jack
07-22-12, 13:00
Willy; this was round about 2000 or 2001. I'm a non-drinker. For the girls I ve found.
An agreement. I'm loving the area around nakumatt / Bob's.
5000; I'm staying 5 weeks and ll get for sure a good price; so I think a monthly rate.
60000 ksh is possibleThis is 2012. A furnished Bungalow for 60k a month in Nyali? I don't think this is realistic unless you are asking for a bedsit.
This is 2012. A furnished Bungalow for 60k a month in Nyali? I don't think this is realistic unless you are asking for a bedsit.Toilet paper includid. Condoms. Kenya kwality yes, durex superlight. Bring it from Germany or Nakumatt Nyali ok
Member #4364
07-22-12, 18:45
Willy; I know Dorse etc. I want to stay on the north side not in town.
Maybe 60 k is not realistic; I can go up if the equipement and standard is okay;
I ll not offer 80 for a sh. Room; nothing operating.
I found the Danpark Apartments in Mtwapa; any expirience?
Safe at the evening to walk to the main road?
Thanks
MarioMarengo
07-22-12, 19:24
Willy; please. W re want to ve a vacation in a averager; not * Star area; but the acaommodation of.
The Big Tree ist not that what I ecpect; maybe now it's new furnishedNo forgive it, Big Tree is always the same I stay there last year impossible to sleep too hot, and not good to have malayas always around.
Tiger Body
07-23-12, 14:02
Hey there,
I was wondering if anybody has experience about the availability of cheap performance enhancers (viagra and the like) in pharmacies in Mombasa.
Are there any places where they sell cheap and reliable drugs like in Asia?
Thanks, I appreciate.
Member #4364
07-23-12, 18:54
Ohhh Mario; the girls re never disturbing me. I ve asked; BT chrged for 5 weeks 130 kksh; not for.
These huts; sorry.
Tiger; it called Vega (a rocket picture on the box). Price; I ve forgotten; 400 ksh for a 4 blister.
Cheers
Member #4379
07-23-12, 21:28
Ok, so we know during the day that Shanzu and Bamburi beach are great for meeting women. What about Ukunda town during the day or what nightclubs do you recommend in ukunda during the night? Willow?
Johnny Quick
07-24-12, 11:43
Me and my woman going to stay for 2 weeks in mombasa.
Where is it safe to pick up girls for a private lesbian show?
What kind of price I should think of?
Are there places where more highclass workinggirls be hanging around?
Thanks in advance!
Butterfly 72
07-24-12, 14:30
In 2006 I was in Kenya for the first time.
I was in a hotel from the African Safari Club on Coral Beach and I met some woman in the Casarina and the Safari Inn.
In November I will fly to Kenya again for two or three weeks but this time I want a hotel where I can. Unlike in the ASC bullshit. Take women into my room.
Is Nyali Chalets an option or are there better and cheaper hotels around?
LustyHombre
07-24-12, 18:47
Willy; I know Dorse etc. I want to stay on the north side not in town.
Maybe 60 k is not realistic; I can go up if the equipement and standard is okay;
I ll not offer 80 for a sh. Room; nothing operating.
I found the Danpark Apartments in Mtwapa; any expirience?
Safe at the evening to walk to the main road?
ThanksSuggest you pre-book a hotel for for the first 1 or 2 days (like Kahama) and make a deal with a cab driver to take you around to all the rental appartments in whichever area you like. There are lots of them all over the place, especially in North Nyali, many of them quite upscale, but you're not going to like the asking prices. However : everything is negotiable.
Me and my woman going to stay for 2 weeks in mombasa.
Where is it safe to pick up girls for a private lesbian show?
What kind of price I should think of?
Are there places where more highclass workinggirls be hanging around?
Thanks in advance!Hi Johnny,
I can give you a lesbian show with your woman.
Kiss
Butterfly 72
07-25-12, 10:31
Margaret from Nyalis Chalet sent me an offer: 5000 KS / night when I will book a doublebed room for two or three weeks.
That sounds a little bit expensive.
Johnny Quick
07-25-12, 11:53
Hi Johnny,
I can give you a lesbian show with your woman.
KissThank you for your reply. But I meant that we want to watch 2 women give a lesbian show.
Yes my woman won't mind getting a massage from women. Or even kissing and suck a nipple here and there. But the main point is that we want to see 2 other women eating eachother.
Next point is that we both are already 39 years old. And we looking for at least 25 years or older women to watch.
Actually 30+ would be perfect.
My woman is Kenyan but I'm a white European. So I hope race is not a issue to you?
So are you still be able to help us?
Ok, so we know during the day that Shanzu and Bamburi beach are great for meeting women. What about Ukunda town during the day or what nightclubs do you recommend in ukunda during the night? Willow?Ukunda is an easw pick place with almost every gal willing. During day gals are most at the beach and local hang outs. Clubs like shakatak and full moom + empire are very happening at nights. Saturdays and sundays are the best days.
Have fun
Bareback Jack
07-26-12, 13:25
But I meant that we want to watch 2 women give a lesbian showI guess the girls will be queueing outside your door. Once word gets out they don't even have to fuck to make money you will have many friends
Run Marathon
07-26-12, 15:07
Many girls are hanging around at 40 Thieves or at the beach in front of.
Exspecially in the afternoon.
And in the evening, as mentioned, at late (24:00) at shaq attaq, earlier at Tandoori
Member #4379
07-26-12, 20:06
Thanks Itchy 36, was getting worried that Diani Beach was a no go, Is Warrandale Cottages girl friendly? Hope so.
Ukunda is an easw pick place with almost every gal willing. During day gals are most at the beach and local hang outs. Clubs like shakatak and full moom + empire are very happening at nights. Saturdays and sundays are the best days.
Have fun
Johnny Quick
07-27-12, 10:40
I guess the girls will be queueing outside your door. Once word gets out they don't even have to fuck to make money you will have many friendsWell I don't hope so cause we will be staying mainly at family, so that would be ackward hahah.
Member #4379
07-27-12, 21:06
[Thanks for this information. Any idea on the price for say short time max 3 hours? Mtwapa was about 2, 000 Ksh. QUOTE=H Schneeberg; 1308466]Many girls are hanging around at 40 Thieves or at the beach in front of.
Exspecially in the afternoon.
And in the evening, as mentioned, at late (24:00) at shaq attaq, earlier at Tandoori[/QUOTE]
Member #4364
07-27-12, 21:28
Gentlemen; during my time it was not possible at Diani to take the girls.
Back to the room
Member #4379
07-28-12, 13:34
Hey Steve, this is important what you say, Are you saying Warrandale Cottages is not girl friendly? Are you talking about another hotel at Diani beach that is not girl friendly?
Gentlemen; during my time it was not possible at Diani to take the girls.
Back to the room
Member #4379
07-28-12, 14:23
What indoor nightclubs are DARK in Ukunda and Bambur Beach? My girlfriend likes to get 'intimate' in public, but DARK places. Thank heavens for skirts. Any suggestions?
Member #4364
07-28-12, 19:41
I was there in 2002; so old information. I got an offer; 1 week incl. Hotel (and 3 weeks by my own)
Was cheaper than the single flight. Si I saw the area. It's so boring there; only high class hotels.
In one rowe. Diani is a dusty road with a gasoline station and 2 nightclubs (in my time).
At the evening only old couples.
My advice; go to the north coast
Wednesday, August 01 2012 at 00:00 GMT+3.
By Linah Benyawa
Police are looking for a Slovakian national who escaped after he was accosted having sex with a commercial sex worker inside Nyali Barracks in Mombasa.
The man was allegedly sighted by the military officers in the barracks at around 3am.
The couple had hired a taxi and driven into the barracks where they started having sex in the open, according to Kisauni OCPD Julius Wanjohi.
'As they were in the process of making love, the officers saw the vehicle parked in the compound and shot severally at the couple because they were alarmed to find a strange vehicle in their compound, ' said Wanjohi. The woman sustained bullet wounds in the buttocks during the incident. She is nursing her injuries at Coast Provincial General Hospital.
'The man managed to escape though we don't know if he sustained injuries or not. The taxi unfortunately rammed onto a wall and got damaged, ' he added.
Wanjohi said police recovered some documents belonging to the tourist and that they were pursuing him so that he can explain why he was in barracks.
'He has to record a statement with us so that he could tell us the reason being at the barracks late that night, ' he said.
From the standard
MarioMarengo
08-02-12, 13:16
Wednesday, August 01 2012 at 00:00 GMT+3.
By Linah Benyawa
Police are looking for a Slovakian national who escaped after he was accosted having sex with a commercial sex worker inside Nyali Barracks in Mombasa.
The man was allegedly sighted by the military officers in the barracks at around 3am.
The couple had hired a taxi and driven into the barracks where they started having sex in the open, according to Kisauni OCPD Julius Wanjohi.
'As they were in the process of making love, the officers saw the vehicle parked in the compound and shot severally at the couple because they were alarmed to find a strange vehicle in their compound, ' said Wanjohi. The woman sustained bullet wounds in the buttocks during the incident. She is nursing her injuries at Coast Provincial General Hospital.
'The man managed to escape though we don't know if he sustained injuries or not. The taxi unfortunately rammed onto a wall and got damaged, ' he added.
Wanjohi said police recovered some documents belonging to the tourist and that they were pursuing him so that he can explain why he was in barracks.
'He has to record a statement with us so that he could tell us the reason being at the barracks late that night, ' he said.
From the standardIf you are not killed from muslim terrorist you can get shoot by police :Happy holydays in Kenya (never more in my life)
Run Marathon
08-03-12, 11:29
[Thanks for this information. Any idea on the price for say short time max 3 hours? Mtwapa was about 2, 000 Ksh. QUOTE=H Schneeberg; 1308466]Many girls are hanging around at 40 Thieves or at the beach in front of.
Exspecially in the afternoon.
And in the evening, as mentioned, at late (24:00) at shaq attaq, earlier at Tandoori[/QUOTE]I think, it was 2. 000 Ksh (Last November 2011 ). Maybe a bit too much, but the girl was happy.
I also invited her for dinner at 40thieves, we made a trip to mombasa together the next day, a very much girl friend relationship.
And, of course, she emailed me, when I was home again, asking for some little money.
I did not send her any, but I think now, I should have done so.
Member #4379
08-03-12, 20:07
Thanks for confirmation on that. This kinky bastard is looking for back door action. Any luck anyone?
SceticoBlu
08-03-12, 21:07
Bullets cut short steamy love session
Kenya (never more in my life)This strange story is warning to avoid public sex. The blasts are a warning to avoid crowds. But those news do not stop my from going to kenya. I booked three weeks for this autumn.
Accomodation: Maybe I go to Dorse or Kahama for two days and look for an apartment later on. Does anyone have experience with Lucks Aparments in Mtwapa or alternatives for about 30 euro per night?
LustyHombre
08-04-12, 06:18
Thanks for confirmation on that. This kinky bastard is looking for back door action. Any luck anyone?No prob finding it, but that means you limit yourself to maybe 30 or 40% of the talent pool. Furthermore, chances are high that she's a hardcore pro.
Civilian girls in Kenya have all been told by somebody that it's "unnatural" and disgusting and very very painful. Therefore, my success rate with non pros is very low, and I assure you, it's not for lack of trying!
I have only banged back door of one chica out of the many chicas I met in Mombasa and Nairobi. It is also a chemistry and timing thing as I had met one of the confirmed 3 holers in Mombasa who refused to let me travel up her Hershey highway.
The one I did tap was an anal virgin. She now lives in the US, and I travel to see her from time to time. Last time we were together, she was menstruating so we had one bloody pussy fuck in the shower. Everything after that was nothing but anal and she loved it. I am going to gift her an anchor baby so that ass will be mine! LOL
No prob finding it, but that means you limit yourself to maybe 30 or 40% of the talent pool. Furthermore, chances are high that she's a hardcore pro.
Civilian girls in Kenya have all been told by somebody that it's "unnatural" and disgusting and very very painful. Therefore, my success rate with non pros is very low, and I assure you, it's not for lack of trying!
Member #4178
08-04-12, 08:48
If you are not killed from muslim terrorist you can get shoot by police :Happy holydays in Kenya (never more in my life)Or robbed or lost all your valuable. Holiday in Kenya is only for hard core mongers. The party is over.
If you are not killed from muslim terrorist you can get shoot by police :Happy holydays in Kenya (never more in my life)What I can't understand is why on earth anyone would drive into a military barracks to have sex. Why not a hotel, or a guest house, or the beach, or even a public park? A military facility? Was he really a tourist? My understanding is that military installations are out of bounds anywhere in the world, not just in Kenya. A very interesting "tourist" that was!
Member #4364
08-05-12, 14:24
In Kenya I ve had never problems; I pay what ir order; AND I'm asking.
How much something cost.
In Kenya I ve had never problems; I pay what ir order; AND I'm asking.
How much something cost.Wath you doing if girl making appointment for 1h massage (normal) for 600 ksh end after 10 minutes the girls saying. The end of massage.
I was paying 400ksh (to not make schandal) but, this girl make hell for my.
Many appointments about thime for service. Kenyians broked this appointments. Laesy persons, want money end doing notting for this.
Small story. I was giving 1000ksh for taxi to home from one girl. The normal rate was 700ksh. The girl was alloon in this taxi. This girls was giving 500ksh to taximan end keep the rest. The taxi man coming for trubbels to my person. What I have to do with taxi money, if I was not sitting in his taxi.
What I can't understand is why on earth anyone would drive into a military barracks to have sex. Why not a hotel, or a guest house, or the beach, or even a public park? A military facility? Was he really a tourist? My understanding is that military installations are out of bounds anywhere in the world, not just in Kenya. A very interesting "tourist" that was!Agreed, why in the world would you go to a military compound. Anyone stupid enough to take a WG to a military facility for public activities deserves a whatever is coming. Imagine the trouble you would be in if you did that in the states, that is if you came out alive?
Secondly, if you were shot, would you be trying to turn yourself in and get yourself and partner to a hospital or would you be making a run for it? Interesting Indeed this tourist is.
girls in Kenya have all been told by somebody that it's "unnatural" and disgusting and very very painful.From a girls point of view; is it painful? Yes. Is it natural? Meaning is that the natural place nature intended to be plugged? No. Could it be disgusting? Depends on the hygiene of the girl, there were times I wished I invested in a gas mask. So I guess its understandable that Kenyan girls feel this way. Its not only Kenyan girls that have been told this ridiculous notion by the way.
Does anyone have experience with Lucks Aparments in Mtwapa or alternatives for about 30 euro per night?Yes please let us know about GF apartments in easy access locations. Easy access to girls that is.
Or robbed or lost all your valuable. Holiday in Kenya is only for hard core mongers. The party is over.Was there last in August 2011 and I already felt it was fading away. The girls more hardcore and demanding. Prices went up also esp. For staple food. For us still bearable as the Euro climbet ot 130 KSh. And above, but now With the Euro at only 100 KSh. And prices have soared even more as I was told by Kenyans and expats. The government is increasing taxes and bribes. The fee for the resident permit has been incresed vom 32000 KSh. To 110000 KSh. P. A. In March 2013 are elections and they want to pocket the.
Max. Until the party is finished. In Mtwapa along the main road, arount Kendas and all the neighbourhoods near Aquamarine were very safe. If this should change, that the party is really over. I will be there for Christmas / January. I hope the best for all here and that Kenya will not be ruined soon.
Member #4364
08-05-12, 20:30
Willy; sometimes I can't believe all. Everytime I fixed something it has worked.
OK; der stories ofr the girls. Forget it
Member #4178
08-06-12, 08:20
In Mtwapa along the main road, arount Kendas and all the neighbourhoods near Aquamarine were very safe. If this should change, that the party is really over. I will be there for Christmas / January. I hope the best for all here and that Kenya will not be ruined soon.Christmas is the time that gangs operate in mtwapa by breaking to hotel rooms. Bring less elecotrnics as much as you can and never leave you money / passport in the room, even in a safe. Take it with you all the time.
For years Mombasa was my fave destination but now anyone should conduct risk analysis and operate accordingly. Personnaly I would add more money and go to khama hotel. THe cheap MTwapa can be very expensive. I would suggest to cheak girls I'd, no I'd no sex. I had visit the tourist police and killing court to many times. (as a victim and a witnes). All this was in the last 3 years, before that I had blast time for over 12 years of a true peradise. Things changes so strategies should be developed accordingly.
Just about to finish my vacation in Pattaya / Cambodia in a few days, cheak the photo gallery there in a few days. It's the few places I can leave tons do DSLR gear / Ipod in my room unlock.
Enjoy
Christmas is the time that gangs operate in mtwapa by breaking to hotel rooms. Bring less elecotrnics as much as you can and never leave you money / passport in the room, even in a safe. Take it with you all the time.
For years Mombasa was my fave destination but now anyone should conduct risk analysis and operate accordingly. Personnaly I would add more money and go to khama hotel. THe cheap MTwapa can be very expensive. I would suggest to cheak girls I'd, no I'd no sex. I had visit the tourist police and killing court to many times. (as a victim and a witnes). All this was in the last 3 years, before that I had blast time for over 12 years of a true peradise. Things changes so strategies should be developed accordingly.
Just about to finish my vacation in Pattaya / Cambodia in a few days, cheak the photo gallery there in a few days. It's the few places I can leave tons do DSLR gear / Ipod in my room unlock.
EnjoyI am always happy by arrivel in my hotelroom, that I find my pasport end my money, bankcards.
There are somany negatif storys about thiefs in the hotelrooms.
In Kahama are only 8 safes for 32 rooms.
Simply banksafe cost only 20 euro (2000ksh) Somany hoteloners not invest this money for hotel visiters.
Story. In kahama roomnumber xxx with not cold water. Only 90gr hot. I ask to exchange room end ok. The day after, I stay on the reseption end one adder visitor explain there same problem. I say. You stay in room xxx. This man say. How you now this. This oners invest 0000ksh for reparation. Only exchange rooms for new visitor.
I not believe that evry tourist going with his original pasport end his full holiday money. In one matatu.
Tip. Going always with copy of pasport in your pokket.
Thake never more than 5000ksh with you.
Work with bankcards, not with cash money.
Go evry 2 or 3 days to ATM. (with one taxi)
LustyHombre
08-07-12, 00:31
Willy; sometimes I can't believe all. Everytime I fixed something it has worked.
OK; der stories ofr the girls. Forget itFinally, here is somebody who seems to understand what WB is trying to express!
Unfortunately, SG's cryptic comments are equally Greek to me. Ah well, maybe we should just follow his advice and "forget it" altogether?
SceticoBlu
08-07-12, 08:42
Yes please let us know about GF apartments in easy access locations. Easy access to girls that is.For my next stay in two months I consider these places which are somtimes mentioned in travel forums:
Nyalichalets
Lucksapartments
Dankpark
If I don't like them I consider Kahama although they continually rose the prices and have no room safe.
Easy access to girls that is.In Mombasa North coast I think the main problem is finding appropriate accomodation. The beach hotels are generally not GF and above 50 euro / day. About finding girls we don't have to worry.
For my next stay in two months I consider these places which are somtimes mentioned in travel forums:
Nyalichalets
Lucksapartments
Dankpark
If I don't like them I consider Kahama although they continually rose the prices and have no room safe.
In Mombasa North coast I think the main problem is finding appropriate accomodation. The beach hotels are generally not GF and above 50 euro / day. About finding girls we don't have to worry.In Mtwapa they have opended a brand new gesthouse, very comfortable, excellent rooms, I made an inspection there, but at the time the maid could not give the room price. There is also an in and outdoor restaurant attached, very well equiped and reasonable prices. Was occasionally there in JUN. AUG 2011, no guests there, probably because new. I do not remember the exact name, but.
Something as "Mangrove Lodge". But I can describe the location. It is just behind Luck apartments, at the time there was access from Luck apartments, but then they closed the path leading to the guesthouse and further on to the main road. Now the access is from the main road. The old established Costa Hotel is just before this guesthouse, so the best is to take a mototaxi to Costa Hotel / Mangrove Guesthouse. Costa Hotel is too old for my taste, they have a little swimming pool and the price was KSh. 3000. Also no guests at that time. I would suggest to go to the guesthouse triying to negotiate a good price, bargaining them down. Beginn very low, maybe KSh. 1000- and fetching KSh. 1500- or KSh 2000- on high season. Maybe a member can go there and get more detailed information.
(Willyboy the most adequate LOL). The site is in core Mtwapa but a little secluded, so good for a romantic or a more discreet encounter. Our advantage is, they had no clients, so they must encourage them.
For all those for whom my writing on it is difficult to understand is. I have in 6 years. 30 kenya visits done. It would be a shame I had my experience do not share. I do my best to me in English understandable to make. If it is not understood. My regret about this. I try to do my best. Attacks on this I think is inappropriate. Then read my contribution is not. (this text is placed with google translation)
For all those for whom my writing on it is difficult to understand is. I have in 6 years. 30 kenya visits done. It would be a shame I had my experience do not share. I do my best to me in English understandable to make. If it is not understood. My regret about this. I try to do my best. Attacks on this I think is inappropriate. Then read my contribution is not. (this text is placed with google translation)Try using Google Translation more.
LustyHombre
08-08-12, 06:05
For all those for whom my writing on it is difficult to understand is. I have in 6 years. 30 kenya visits done. It would be a shame I had my experience do not share. I do my best to me in English understandable to make. If it is not understood. My regret about this. I try to do my best. Attacks on this I think is inappropriate. Then read my contribution is not. (this text is placed with google translation)WB, I have no intention of ridiculing your lack of command of the English language, and would like to apologize if I caused you any hurt feelings.
I am sure you have a lot to share after 30 visits in 6 yrs. If only you were allowed to write in Flemish in this forum!
I am sure this would be much easier to decipher for many of us than Mr. Google's awful translations into English!
Bareback Jack
08-08-12, 08:28
This thread has deteriorated a bit lately. IMHO there is too much whining about how expensive and bad everything has become. The rate of inflation is pretty much public knowledge and there isn't really any point going on about it at great length. By and large things are still pretty cheap in comparison.
Like so many in this forum I've been coming to Kenya for a long time and while I have noticed changes over the years, some of them positive, some of them negative, I still love this country last but not least for its abundance of pretty and pleasant girls. I have never felt ripped off by anyone and I have fond memories of the vast majority of girls I've met here.
There is a very easy solution for everyone who thinks prices and / or the deterioration of security has become an issue: simply stay away and choose to take your balls to another location. However, endless rants about the situation don't add much value to this forum.
J
For my next stay in two months I consider these places which are somtimes mentioned in travel forums:
Nyalichalets
Lucksapartments
DankparkYes Scetico, please report back after your experience, it would be much appreciated.
Member #4364
08-08-12, 18:52
Lusty. How long re you travelling to Africa?
The stories which the girls are telling me; about family,
Money aso; I can write a book about.
But I can t agree WB; the girls are not stupid and most of them know.
To handle a long time customer.
I can't confirming that the ve cheated me.
Gents; plse; Danpark: Safe to walk in the darkness to the mainroad;
A few years ago there weren't lights. GF? Equipement working?
Thanks
And is somebody in the condition to explain me to fix my letters in the right way ?
LustyHombre
08-08-12, 19:42
Lusty. How long re you travelling to Africa?
The stories which the girls are telling me; about family,
Money aso; I can write a book about.
But I can t agree WB; the girls are not stupid and most of them know.
To handle a long time customer.
I can't confirming that the ve cheated me.
Gents; plse; Danpark: Safe to walk in the darkness to the mainroad;
A few years ago there weren't lights. GF? Equipement working?
Thanks.
And is somebody in the condition to explain me to fix my letters in the right way?SG, it doesn't really matter how often and for how long you visit. Once may be enough to help you gain a fair understanding of what really goes on in any given place, provided you manage to get onto the right wave length. Conversely, I know a few folks who live here for several months every year (like I have now for the last 4 years) and they still don't have a clue.
Of course, this total lack of insight does not prevent many of them from developing an opinion on practically every aspect of life. I am quite happy to let them believe in whatever they want to believe in, but I get pretty damn intolerant when somebody like that starts pontificating on stuff they know virtually nothing about.
Most of the new kenya visitors exhibit a very naive behavior. Just believe everything these girls told word. They are so full of emotions that they forget the contents of their money bracket. These girls have no money for survival and life of money of cheating. Every minute again. The girls lusts not that you are aware. They start to hate you, especially if you pass this information. These girls laughing with expensive mobiles and expensive laptoppen behind our visit. And settle in Vescom 1or 2. And they daaien even stronger in their deception. An afro maid told my that we are much too soft to be able to understand this survival behavior. The forum article of LH is therefore understandable. A Kenya kimbo then know more things.
Kenya girls with cars, laptops, expensive mobiles. They are all girls that white tourists with lies off. These girls have no income or arise to work in a hair salon. If they already have a job is their wages between 7000 and 12000ksh. But 80 percent have no income. Even this is totally insufficient for a normal life to suffer. There is only 1 solution. White men to deceive with lies all kinds. The center of these activities is Mtwapa (I give it the name Malaya city) Who works there? It's just buying and selling of goods with small gains. It is unbelievable how this circle always back up. If I regularly ited match mombasa visit, I see how everything beweegd. How these girls other whites in their pockets are. They avoid me like the plague. They need new stupid fish. Those who understand nothing of this world and think they have discovered true love. Even after many visits, I spend money damages to 0. Damage 1000ksh and I still regularly. But when I see how a naive person goes shopping (shop or hair salon) is open? Unbelievable. Ken even someone as a gift gave ksh 1, 000, 000. But after 6 months everything was turned with her girlfriends. As SG may also write a book. But this book has no end. Those girls keep busy with their stories and the white tourist will swallow them, especially the new visitors who have found dinken their liedespartner. I recently visited a long knowledge of what is now renting an apartment 25000ksh. A german paid. She has her now pregnant. Thinking that a visa geweigd now going to have good outcome. That girl laughs her to death in western union every month. She said. Willy, you can not believe what stupid people in this world. Well they are there. How else can we survive. (translate machine)
Member #4364
08-09-12, 18:40
Lusty; I got older. Whatever the girls telling me; all is right for me.
And the service in Kenya was the best I ve ever got.
Be fair to them and they re comming the next day; hard to believe.
What WB explained; what to hell is my business about the trouble.
With a taxi driver.
For sure the africans hunting the money; but I was the most time.
Satisfied
Lusty; I got older. Whatever the girls telling me; all is right for me.
And the service in Kenya was the best I ve ever got.
Be fair to them and they re comming the next day; hard to believe.
What WB explained; what to hell is my business about the trouble.
With a taxi driver.
For sure the africans hunting the money; but I was the most time.
SatisfiedYou can not ignore all kenya dangers in the name of sexual gratification. This is a big mistake.
LustyHombre
08-10-12, 18:46
Lusty; I got older. Whatever the girls telling me; all is right for me.
And the service in Kenya was the best I ve ever got.
Be fair to them and they re comming the next day; hard to believe.
What WB explained; what to hell is my business about the trouble.
With a taxi driver.
For sure the africans hunting the money; but I was the most time.
SatisfiedI believe what you are saying is "Live and let live", right?
That pretty much describes my approach as well : I don't mind girls telling me all sorts of crazy hard-luck stories to justify why she needs more money from me this time around, as long as she keeps on delivering the goods in the bedroom. So even if I get taken for a few '000 shillingi every now and then (e. G. To pay for her mom's appendicitis. While she has totally forgotten that she asked me for the exact same thing last year already!) I may be quite happy to go along, as long as she rewards me commensurately.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that we are talking pocket change for most of us, especially to those who got introduced to the mongering lifestyle in an expensive 1st world environment.
In any case, it's my money and I spend it any which way I like to max my pleasure!
Member #4364
08-10-12, 19:33
Oh no; I vn't ignored the reality. But after so many years; I got never cheated.
By the girls or their police "boyfriend".
But I saw many retired expats and tourists with hughe problems; and as I asked;
They vn't given the girls the remarked amount.
I learned in africa / asia as an european: Pay what you order AND ask in advance how much.
It cost. Give them the oportunity to come back if the service is right.
Never ever give money for nothing; you ll be not alone anylonger.
I'm not blind; the girls want to survive in africa; and if you re fair to them you can find.
Fantastic girls there.
Hey; in my country all is perfect; I can hang around drunk late night in a disco. As a european.
I ll never do this in africa; I want to ve a nice beach / pool, relaxing and after the dinner and a drink.
Back to the apartment with a hottie; and I get this all in africa
Bareback Jack
08-11-12, 20:49
But I saw many retired expats and tourists with hughe problemsI agree. But many of them deserve what they are getting due to their disgraceful behaviour.
But I learned in africa / asia as an european: Pay what you order AND ask in advance how muchMy experience has been much the opposite. I've never asked / negotiated anything beforehand and I've never been in any trouble. Maybe it's just me but it spoils my moods to talk about money upfront. I've never had a girl complain about what she has been given. Not even one has ever tried to ask for more. But I'm fairly generous.
But Hey; in my country all is perfect; I can hang around drunk late night in a discoThat might be true. But the hotties in Europe are few and far and once they discover the worth of their assets they are just like the girls in Afica, just at a much higher (price) level
Bareback Jack
08-11-12, 20:51
You can not ignore all kenya dangers in the name of sexual gratification. This is a big mistake.Maybe, but most of us (at least the ones on this forum) are here for sexual gratification. You just learn to live with those perceived dangers
Bareback Jack
08-11-12, 21:00
Let's not lose sight of the fact that we are talking pocket change for most of us, especially to those who got introduced to the mongering lifestyle in an expensive 1st world environmentSpot on. This just prompted me to do a calculation. The money I parted with as a result of my first divorce over a decade ago could have bought me the most delicious hotties in Kenya 365 days for more than 40 years, even under the assumption of very generous pricing. Nobody else's fault but mine, but hey Kenya sex is ridiculously inexpensive
Spot on. This just prompted me to do a calculation. The money I parted with as a result of my first divorce over a decade ago could have bought me the most delicious hotties in Kenya 365 days for more than 40 years, even under the assumption of very generous pricing. Nobody else's fault but mine, but hey Kenya sex is ridiculously inexpensiveIn kahama hotel workers 8000ksh / month. Girls for 2000ksh / night ridiculously inexpensive? Not agry
For standard of this country. This is expensif.
Plaese not start howmatch it cost in USA or EUROPE. You are bizzy in Kenya (Kenya prices).
I will send this girls for streetclaeners in de night in Mombasa (250ksh / night) Than this girls will now wath is valeu 2000ksk / night.
Prostitution is job for simpli money. All over the world.
Now, big discussion can start. It is my point of vieuw only.
Wambomilly
08-12-12, 09:34
Kenya girls with cars, laptops, expensive mobiles. They are all girls that white tourists with lies off. These girls have no income or arise to work in a hair salon. If they already have a job is their wages between 7000 and 12000ksh. But 80 percent have no income. Even this is totally insufficient for a normal life to suffer. There is only 1 solution. White men to deceive with lies all kinds. The center of these activities is Mtwapa (I give it the name Malaya city) Who works there? It's just buying and selling of goods with small gains. It is unbelievable how this circle always back up. If I regularly ited match mombasa visit, I see how everything beweegd. How these girls other whites in their pockets are. They avoid me like the plague. They need new stupid fish. Those who understand nothing of this world and think they have discovered true love. Even after many visits, I spend money damages to 0. Damage 1000ksh and I still regularly. But when I see how a naive person goes shopping (shop or hair salon) is open? Unbelievable. Ken even someone as a gift gave ksh 1, 000, 000. But after 6 months everything was turned with her girlfriends. As SG may also write a book. But this book has no end. Those girls keep busy with their stories and the white tourist will swallow them, especially the new visitors who have found dinken their liedespartner. I recently visited a long knowledge of what is now renting an apartment 25000ksh. A german paid. She has her now pregnant. Thinking that a visa geweigd now going to have good outcome. That girl laughs her to death in western union every month. She said. Willy, you can not believe what stupid people in this world. Well they are there. How else can we survive. (translate machine)Willy you always seem to have a problem with girls who get something out of sex tourism, I bet you'd rather see all kenyan girls poor and running after old men like you for 500 shillings right? So what if a guy pays his girlfriend's rent? The money didn't come from your pocket so you shouldn't care. You are here to reap the best out of sex tourism and so is any girl who has half a brain. So continue being cheap but let those who have the money spend it as they wish.
.but hey Kenya sex is ridiculously inexpensiveIn Kenya the Girls are best Price / Service (from all the Countries I know!)
The Life and Quality of Life is not so great like Thailand. But the Girls are in my Opinion the Best!
Member #4364
08-12-12, 14:50
Jack; I thought to hang around late night and be drunk can be dangerous; I can do that.
In europe safer. And will get nothing. In africa; gents; it's not necessary.
Hang around at the beach, go shopping aso. In europe the people ve social.
Security; in africa without job nothing. Smile; don't be shy; the girls never.
Bited me. And if they say no; it's ok for me; there 's a lot of choise.
The risk can be higher in the typical tourist bars; but sometimes I believe.
That in the remarked horror stories about africa aqnd our business; there was.
Something wrong before.
A retired man in my lodge gave NOTHING; cause it's a girl friend and not a.
Prostitute. It's stupid in that age to believe in love with a young girl; they need.
The money to feed the family. And he got the iron stick in the night on his.
Head at the matatu road; an other got the bill round 100000 ksh by the police.
For suspected sex behind the beach.
To me the police officers were friendly.
In Kenya the Girls are best Price / Service (from all the Countries I know!)
The Life and Quality of Life is not so great like Thailand. But the Girls are in my Opinion the Best!The price / service of sex. Is not depens from the country. It can by in Brasil, Russia, Thailand, Polen end?
For accomodation is Thailand 10x better end 10 thimes chaeper than Kenya.
It is better to spend 10x more for your accomadition. End not having sex in unsafe schit-holl.
The penalty is max 50.000ksh, yes sex is cheep.
Bareback Jack
08-12-12, 16:36
In kahama hotel workers 8000ksh / month. Girls for 2000ksh / night ridiculously inexpensive? Not agryWell, that's roughly what I pay my live-in house girl. But she isn't worth the money. It's just an indulgence as I could clean my house myself and would probably do a better job. However a girl who gives me good sex. Now that's something I can't do alone and therefore it's worth every penny. And if the performance is so good that you can't tell the difference whether she enjoys or just pretends to enjoy. That's worth an Oscar on top and triple rewards. Come on, when will you stop to be a penny pincher?
Well, that's roughly what I pay my live-in house girl. But she isn't worth the money. It's just an indulgence as I could clean my house myself and would probably do a better job. However a girl who gives me good sex. Now that's something I can't do alone and therefore it's worth every penny. And if the performance is so good that you can't tell the difference whether she enjoys or just pretends to enjoy. That's worth an Oscar on top and triple rewards. Come on, when will you stop to be a penny pincher?One thime in nairobi, I look to big promotion, it was writing in roof from one house. Thake housemaid in this place. 2000ksh / month
I think that you always pay 100ksh in matatu, also if the price is 20ksh.
Maby it was you. Stopping matutu end strubbel for 5ksh, end you refuus to go.
During daythime, I can choise, thaking matatu for 40ksh or taxi for 400ksh. You now wath I doing? I thake matutu! End drink 2 cold tuskers from the rest. That my confort is less? Yes. If you want to travel in taxi. It is your money, enjoy.
Evry body can spend his money how end howmatch hi want. Why I start this discussion? Low budjet tourist? No. I spend 5000ksh / night in kahama for one good bed with airco.
I now that many members paying 2000ksh / night.
Many night, I was with one girl end pay this amount. The girl always kissing my extra for this money.
One week ago, I recived mail. This girl asking with western union 50. 000ksh.
It is never enough for this girls. How more you give. How more this girls wil ask.
There is always one mzungu was giving one pagero jeep to her girlfriend.
Member #4480
08-13-12, 05:05
One thime in nairobi, I look to big promotion, it was writing in roof from one house. Thake housemaid in this place. 2000ksh / month
I think that you always pay 100ksh in matatu, also if the price is 20ksh.
Maby it was you. Stopping matutu end strubbel for 5ksh, end you refuus to go.Right message, wrong audience. For the most part, you're not dealing with individuals capable of abstract thinking here so stop pounding your head against the wall. They'll never get it.
From one 'cheap' guy to another, your choice is to either keep going to Mombasa and see it get progressively worse (as Nairobi has) , or start looking at some other less travelled African venues.
As for name calling, cheer up. I'd rather be called 'cheap' than a 'fool' anytime.
Bareback Jack
08-13-12, 22:27
I think that you always pay 100ksh in matatu, also if the price is 20kshTruth is: I wouldn't pay 1 shilling to ride in a matatu. I simply don't take matatus. I also don't give jobs to taxi drivers. Simple reason is that I prefer to ride in my own car. Why? Simply because my health is worth it. Decades of accident free driving of my own give me a much better prospect of not getting injured in comparison to matatu or taxi drivers who either don't hold a driving license at all or are drunk or high on weed.
I am Kenyan and I have been following the Mombasa ISG thread for more than two years. Recently when I was on holiday in Mombasa I had a chance to talk with some girls at a club in Mtwapa. There is the name "Marondo" that girls spare only for Kenyan boys who are broke and do not have anything to offer their girlfriends but a "bed bug infested bed" (their words). They are now using the word to refer to some of the white men! It is a new world where a mzungu man can me referred to as "Marondo!" It sounds as unnatural as a corn plantation on the moon.
Attached is photo of one of the girls.
Cheupe
Pete Benetar
08-14-12, 16:37
I am Kenyan and I have been following the Mombasa ISG thread. There is the name "Marondo" that girls spare only for Kenyan boys who are broke and do not have anything to offer their girlfriends but a "bed bug infested bed" (their words). They are now using the word to refer to some of the white men!
CheupeThanks Cheupe and anyone else for posting pics; nice titillating effect as I lurk here.
Interesting comments regarding "Marondo". Do you think this was a small subset of club girls (long nails, elaborate hair styles, etc?). I'm just thinking that anyone willing to give at least 1, 000 Shilling would be met any girl appreciative of an AVERAGE income:
2011 stats for Kenya.
(per capita income based on current exchange rates)
IMF: 851 USD or 690 Euro.
World Bank: 808 USD.
CIA: 900 USD.
At about 850 USD / 690 Euro that should equal about 71, 000 Shilling per annum or about 5900 Shilling per month.
As a comparison, these three sources put USA per capita income at about $48, 500 which would be about 336, 000 Shilling per month.
We can get into Price Parity numbers etc across currencies and domiciles, but that is too complicated for me. Seems 1000-2000 should make a reasonable girl there happy, save for those mongerers / girls that have extraordinarily high expectations?
Thanks Cheupe and anyone else for posting pics; nice titillating effect as I lurk here.
Interesting comments regarding "Marondo". Do you think this was a small subset of club girls (long nails, elaborate hair styles, etc?). I'm just thinking that anyone willing to give at least 1, 000 Shilling would be met any girl appreciative of an AVERAGE income:
2011 stats for Kenya.
(per capita income based on current exchange rates)
IMF: 851 USD or 690 Euro.
World Bank: 808 USD.
CIA: 900 USD.
At about 850 USD / 690 Euro that should equal about 71, 000 Shilling per annum or about 5900 Shilling per month.
As a comparison, these three sources put USA per capita income at about $48, 500 which would be about 336, 000 Shilling per month.
We can get into Price Parity numbers etc across currencies and domiciles, but that is too complicated for me. Seems 1000-2000 should make a reasonable girl there happy, save for those mongerers / girls that have extraordinarily high expectations?Fortunately, there are still people who think logically. Thought I was alone on an island
Thanks Cheupe and anyone else for posting pics; nice titillating effect as I lurk here.
Interesting comments regarding "Marondo". Do you think this was a small subset of club girls (long nails, elaborate hair styles, etc?). I'm just thinking that anyone willing to give at least 1, 000 Shilling would be met any girl appreciative of an AVERAGE income:
2011 stats for Kenya.
(per capita income based on current exchange rates)
IMF: 851 USD or 690 Euro.
World Bank: 808 USD.
CIA: 900 USD.
At about 850 USD / 690 Euro that should equal about 71, 000 Shilling per annum or about 5900 Shilling per month.
As a comparison, these three sources put USA per capita income at about $48, 500 which would be about 336, 000 Shilling per month.
We can get into Price Parity numbers etc across currencies and domiciles, but that is too complicated for me. Seems 1000-2000 should make a reasonable girl there happy, save for those mongerers / girls that have extraordinarily high expectations?Knowing how women think, I can understand the shock for a Kenyan girl who knows someone comes from a background where the average income is Kshs 300, 000 per month giving her Kshs 5K at the end of the week. I understand when these girls have low expectations of us Kenyan boy friends; and when they call us Marondo, well, it is only natural. But when they call a Mzungu Marondo? It is no even funny any more.
Cheupe
I am Kenyan and I have been following the Mombasa ISG thread for more than two years. Recently when I was on holiday in Mombasa I had a chance to talk with some girls at a club in Mtwapa. There is the name "Marondo" that girls spare only for Kenyan boys who are broke and do not have anything to offer their girlfriends but a "bed bug infested bed" (their words). They are now using the word to refer to some of the white men! It is a new world where a mzungu man can me referred to as "Marondo!" It sounds as unnatural as a corn plantation on the moon.
Attached is photo of one of the girls.
CheupeThis chick looks like a malaya or like many of those ladies wearing the veils. I don't mess with them and the Kenyans I do mess with don't get mad or upset over me giving them 1, 000 or 2, 000 ksh. But I mostly focus on non-pros vice pros, but every now and then, I like to spice it up. I am a cheap bastard, yes. I have a Kenyan gf here in the US and I am flying her up to be with me for about a week. She is a 3 holer (thanks to me). Guess how much it has cost me so far for her airfare and hotel! If you guessed $60 USD, you would be correct, and no I am not lying. I paid $10 for her airfare (award ticket for those of you still wondering what the hell I am smoking) and $50 for her 5 day hotel stay in a Marriott Chain hotel. Oh my situation is complicated so that is why she will be staying in a hotel. So if I spend so little in the US for a good time, why would I want to travel anywhere and spend $100 plus per night for a hotel and give a chick $50 to $100 USD for a good time? More power to those ladies who can coax that kind of cash out of willing suckers, but I am not one.
I really don't understand the constantly recurring discussion about rates. This is the same story in every forum.
Guys, there are tons of women in kenya, happy with 1000 or 2000 ksh.
So where is the problem if a few hardcore Malayas require more money. Just leave them in a corner to the lame overpayers. To all the suckers who have too much money left. Give it to them, but spare us with your "do-gooders" arguments.
On my last trip I had no problem with 2000 ksh LT. And every lady try to come back again to me because I have treated them well.
Thanks,
Wenzman
LustyHombre
08-15-12, 06:01
This chick looks like a malaya or like many of those ladies wearing the veils. I don't mess with them and the Kenyans I do mess with don't get mad or upset over me giving them 1, 000 or 2, 000 ksh. But I mostly focus on non-pros vice pros, but every now and then, I like to spice it up. I am a cheap bastard, yes. I have a Kenyan gf here in the US and I am flying her up to be with me for about a week. She is a 3 holer (thanks to me). Guess how much it has cost me so far for her airfare and hotel! If you guessed $60 USD, you would be correct, and no I am not lying. I paid $10 for her airfare (award ticket for those of you still wondering what the hell I am smoking) and $50 for her 5 day hotel stay in a Marriott Chain hotel. Oh my situation is complicated so that is why she will be staying in a hotel. So if I spend so little in the US for a good time, why would I want to travel anywhere and spend $100 plus per night for a hotel and give a chick $50 to $100 USD for a good time? More power to those ladies who can coax that kind of cash out of willing suckers, but I am not one.Good for you! I used to be Exec Platinum with AA and had exalted Elite status at Marriott as well (forget what they called it) and earned freebies all the time. But in those days you paid NOTHING when you redeemed any award, not even taxes (which I guess is the $10 / day for ).
Knowing how women think, I can understand the shock for a Kenyan girl who knows someone comes from a background where the average income is Kshs 300, 000 per month giving her Kshs 5K at the end of the week. I understand when these girls have low expectations of us Kenyan boy friends; and when they call us Marondo, well, it is only natural. But when they call a Mzungu Marondo? It is no even funny any more.
CheupeIf this woman was roomclaener in kahama, working from 7am to 5pm. 6days in weeck. This for 2k / weeck. This was better? . Not. Expensif food. Drink wath this girl want, going out, swimpool end all luxe more.
If paying 5k hotelnight, +-800k tiket end than malayas 5k / night, better that the mzungu fuck in his on country end the girls aeting schapaty en ugali.
If girl not happy 2k / night. That this girl than look for workjob (hairdresser?)
By the way. It is never enough money for this girls.
This chick looks like a malaya or like many of those ladies wearing the veils. I don't mess with them and the Kenyans I do mess with don't get mad or upset over me giving them 1, 000 or 2, 000 ksh. But I mostly focus on non-pros vice pros, but every now and then, I like to spice it up. I am a cheap bastard, yes. I have a Kenyan gf here in the US and I am flying her up to be with me for about a week. She is a 3 holer (thanks to me). Guess how much it has cost me so far for her airfare and hotel! If you guessed $60 USD, you would be correct, and no I am not lying. I paid $10 for her airfare (award ticket for those of you still wondering what the hell I am smoking) and $50 for her 5 day hotel stay in a Marriott Chain hotel. Oh my situation is complicated so that is why she will be staying in a hotel. So if I spend so little in the US for a good time, why would I want to travel anywhere and spend $100 plus per night for a hotel and give a chick $50 to $100 USD for a good time? More power to those ladies who can coax that kind of cash out of willing suckers, but I am not one.I can't follow half of what you are saying Jiggydus, but if you are talking about a Kenyan woman living in the US who has no "visa complications", she does not know what Marondo is. Judging from what little light Lustyhombre has shed on the flight and hotel rates, I seriously doubt any girl in Kenya would refer to either of you as "marondo".
Knowing how women think, I can understand the shock for a Kenyan girl who knows someone comes from a background where the average income is Kshs 300, 000 per month giving her Kshs 5K at the end of the week. I understand when these girls have low expectations of us Kenyan boy friends; and when they call us Marondo, well, it is only natural. But when they call a Mzungu Marondo? It is no even funny any more.
CheupeKenya girls can always going for 200ksh / schot in sabasaba.
Enjoy Kenya brothers
Good for you! I used to be Exec Platinum with AA and had exalted Elite status at Marriott as well (forget what they called it) and earned freebies all the time. But in those days you paid NOTHING when you redeemed any award, not even taxes (which I guess is the $10 / day for ).Yes, the $10 bucks is tax on air award ticket, and unfortunately, I was 4, 000 Marriott Rewards points short, so that is where the $50 bucks come from. Not bad when I would have ended up paying over $500 if I were a cash / credit card paying customer.
Kenya girls can always going for 200ksh / schot in sabasaba.
Enjoy Kenya brothersatwiilyboy, you know Kenya too much what you doing in sabasaba? Msufi mkavu? Some of Kenyan boys fear those girls!
Bareback Jack
08-15-12, 19:46
To all the suckers who have too much money left. Give it to them, but spare us with your "do-gooders" argumentsSo, where exactly Mr. Wenzman has anyone said anything about "do-good"? No one here claims to have noble intentions as far as I can see. It is only that a few individuals like myself have voiced the opinion that prevailing market rate is nothing more but an orientation guideline. Treating everyone the same doesn't seem to be logical to me. A standard rate awards the same to a less attractive or overweight woman as to a very attractive woman in perfect shape. Proof that not all women fall into the second category can be seen plenty in the photo gallery.
For arguments sake, you might say that your gold member doesn't know the difference when it's inside the punany. Then, of course it would be money wasted. However, if the packaging is important, which after all is again a matter of personal preference, then it seems to be logical to award a better rate to an individual that offers the overall better package in the eyes of the client.
Pete Benetar
08-15-12, 20:36
Knowing how women think, I can understand the shock for a Kenyan girl who knows someone comes from a background where the average income is Kshs 300, 000 per month giving her Kshs 5K at the end of the week. It is no even funny any more.
CheupePerhaps I make 300, 000 / month or 30, 000 or 3, 000, 000 shilling per month. If the women you associate with perceive westerners as uber wealthy and that they, the women, should be entitled to share the man's wealth, then you have a point. That's a self entitled philosophy I don't agree with, but if some guys want to pay 10, 000 shilling per night or whatever, good for them. I'm sure that will make your girls happy.
By the way. 5,000 shilling for a 7 day week is little more than 700 shilling per day. Significantly below what I have heard most anyone on the board suggest for a woman befriended. And overall. 5,000 shilling is still not much less than a full months average Kenyan income.
If you spot any guys paying out that rate, you can tell them I suggest a few more shilling, ok?
Hello all,
It's already many months ago, nevertheless I would like to share my experiences from my second trip to Mtwapa.
On my first trip I tried to follow the advice of many frequent posters on this board, and I succeeded well and had a nice holiday. However I still felt being 'played' to a certain extent as I realized that these girls often made the same 'salary' in 1-2 nights than the average wage of a hard working kenyan in the hotel I was staying it. I could only come to one conclusion which was in fact already often suggested on this board: the majority of white men in Kenya are over-paying. Second, I feel the majority of white men think they are in control cause they have the money, which is mostly an illusion. For the most part, the african woman is largely in control on different levels. The only conclusion I could come to next, was that in fact the majority of these girls can afford to lose some time on you.
So before my second trip I gave myself a challenge. To get laid about once a day, without spending a single shilling directly on sex. Shillings were only allowed to be spend on drinks or meal for the girl and definitely not on presents or sex.
Next I thought about a strategy to apply, to maximum the girlfriend / sex experience on one hand, and to minimize the financial spending on the other hand. I approached it as a game to be played, an adventure in which my goal was to become the master deceiver. To play the game like the girls play it. To "fight" them with their own weapons: lies, deception and psychological warfare.
I created the following rules:
- Before you take a girl to your room or you go to her place, etc. Always ask her first if she is a malaya. And state that you dislike malaya's very much. Only go with her, if she says no. If you can get this in written form via sms it's even better. Remember it's all about psychology.
- Dream / Story-telling, pretend that you are searching for everlasting love but that you are very careful because you heard so many bad stories about african women. This will make her feel doubt and gamble: either invest her body / time in you without getting financial value, or a potential ticket to USA / Europe in long term, etc.
- Never never ask a girl for sex or start sex first. Even when laying in the same bed naked, make her start to approach you.
- Lie lie lie, excuses excuses excuses, create a story about yourself, what you do, your life etc. Which is not true, tell this story to every single girl. First, this will make it easier for you not to make mistakes and second the story will be consistent once the girls start talking to each-other.
- Create a network of girls. This can be done beforehand via the internet. The goal is not necessary to date them, but to use them as a buffer in case things go wrong. In other words, when a girl start to make trouble or do not want to leave. You can call another one to show up.
- If a girl makes trouble, use the strategy of passive resistance. Refuse to argue, hence even refuse to speak any longer with her, leave the place immediately of place of argue, etc. The only thing you will say once is 'I never pay for sex, and by the way prostitution is illegal according to Kenyan law'.
I've spend one week there:
- Girl 1: was a girl I spend several days with at her home on my first trip. She was a good lay so I thought it would be a good start. She picked me up in downtown Mtwapa and she wanted to spend the full week with me. As she gained too much pounds according to my preference, I banged her once, took a shower, watched some tv, etc. Then I told her that "the feelings I had to her" were apparently not the same anymore as last time, and I felt I had to leave. She was very surprised. Next she said she can't pay her electricity bill etc. So I left 500 shilling on the table, which should cover for the foods and drinks I took from her place. Case closed.
- Girl 2: Big Tree. She was young. 19 I think. Good Looking. Her friend asked if she could come to have a drink with me. I said I was not interested. Was reading a book. One hour later she came to me herself and ordered the bartender a drink for me which she paid. I accepted and started chatting with her. Next bought her a drink also (to stay even) , and 2 hours later I stood up and said I will go back to my hotel to eat dinner. Next she asked if she could come with me. I played my lines with her. We went to the hotel, bought her dinner. We banged. In the morning we banged again. Next she asked 3000 shilling. I reacted surprised and said I could not give her money as it's against my principles. She begged. I refused. Next she left, never gave me another call or ring. She told me I had a heart of stone that nobody could break. Case closed.
- Girl 3: Went out one evening in Caserina. Played the game according to the rules above. I said in daytime that I had to study for university so she had to leave my room and come back in the evenings or go out together. Banged her the first night. Banged her the second night. The third night I said I had a headache (I think not only women have a right to have headaches right?.). Case closed.
- Girl 4: On the night that I had "a headache", I decided just to sit in the bar drinking. At around 23 o'clock a girl came to order some drinks for herself and her african male companion. I chatted with her, puled some jokes etc. She went back to her table. After 15 minutes she asked me to come to sit with them and drink. We talked chit-chat. Apparently the guy could not speak English. 30 minutes later she offered me to go to watch a movie at her place. So we splitted and I followed her. At her place she took a shower, undressed her clothes. Banged her in her big bed. I remember that evening there was no electricity, it was humid and hot, the room was pitch dark and the sex we got was steaming hot, one of the best in my life. Apparently she was living with a girlfriend who was out. Next sleeping. After 30 minutes (long enough to justify my excuse) I told her I was restless and had problems sleeping in a place which was not my own. She called me a motorcycle who brought me back to my hotel and we agreed to meet the next day as she wanted me to go with her to Nairobi. The next day I cancelled the appointment and told her the timeframe was too short to me to travel back and forth to Nairobi. Next I turned my phone off. When I turned it on again 12 hours later I saw she called twice. Case closed.
- Girl 5: internet girl, cousin of a group of 2 cousins and a friend I was playing online for a while. She had to travel from a another city to meet me. We met on Sunday, the day before I would fly back. She was expected to come at about 4 pm.
When I was sitting in the bar outside the hotel. What do I suddenly see. Girl 3 moving in the hotel on her way to my room together with her auntie (in who's place I had eaten spaghetti and drink beers some eve's before we went out together). They approached me in the bar, and were obviously mad that I did not returned the calls etc. So I sad I was ill, and that I could not meet her anymore as I had an appointed in 2 hours with a longtime friend. Next they asked money. So I stayed silent, asked why you need money for? She said, you should show respect for my auntie and the nights I spend with you? I immediately called security and demanded them to remove them from the hotel immediately as I felt threatened (which I overstated to the security). Then in front of all of them (security + girl + auntie) I only said the following: apparently this girl is a malaya as she requests money from me as we spend the night together. However I never promised anything and I never pay for sex, not abroad and not in Kenya and I stated that prostitution is illegal under Kenyan Law. I gave it an extra push by stating that I'm a good christian and would never go with a prostitute. Next I walked to my hotel room and waited till they were gone. Security cleaned the mess and came to inform me about 1 hour later that they were gone.
30 minutes later Girl 4 arrived. I was sitting, drinking and laughing with her in the bar. Lot of eyes on me off course from the personnel. I told her the above story and expressed her my disbelief and stress. She took me out to Tembo and some other clubs, where she kissed me etc. We ended up in bed, again I did not started anything. After one hour she came on top of me and she gave me a great ride. I gave her some money for the trip back to home and a meal. Next online she said she was broke, , wanted to make baby with me, etc. It ended up with her blocking me on facebook. Case closed.
I think I can say I succeeded my mission. On 7 nights I got laid 6 nights and sometimes more than once with minimal financial investment.
I share this story with you, to give a different perspective. I played a game within the game, a game of lies and deception. However I would not advise others to practice it without extreme caution as it could lead to dangerous or unpleasant situations. After all you are on holidays, so the preferred way I think is still the middle way, a mix of the strategies that I applied + the holiday lifestyle of the regular visitor. Which is the same underlying reason as why the vast majority of whites don't mind overspending, cause they want no trouble on their holidays and more importantly don't risk their lives. In which to a large extend I can only applaud them.
It must be said, that the strategies I applied were good but not bulletproof. I think it would have been better if I spend the night everyday at a different hotel. And I'm sure some of you could even highlight other mistakes or suggestions for improvement.
From a psychological perspective it's extremely interesting to experience how you yourself and the girls react in that environment within these conditions. It's the game of poker at it best. I guess it's clear that all-most none of the girls tried to contact me back, they all realized their losses, folded their hands and withdrew from my gaming table. To see and experience this single thing should be a must pass for every mongerer, the realisation that when there is no money on the table you stop meaning anything to them. You are of no value to them anymore, worth nothing. A reality which stands in sharp contrast to the illusion that a lot of whites in Kenya like to believe.
Interesting, very interesting time I had there.
Cheers!
Woef Woef.
"Hells are empty and all the devils are here". Sir William Shakespeare.
Hello all,
It's already many months ago, nevertheless I would like to share my experiences from my second trip to Mtwapa.
On my first trip I tried to follow the advice of many frequent posters on this board, and I succeeded well and had a nice holiday. However I still felt being 'played' to a certain extent as I realized that these girls often made the same 'salary' in 1-2 nights than the average wage of a hard working kenyan in the hotel I was staying it. I could only come to one conclusion which was in fact already often suggested on this board: the majority of white men in Kenya are over-paying. Second, I feel the majority of white men think they are in control cause they have the money, which is mostly an illusion. For the most part, the african woman is largely in control on different levels. The only conclusion I could come to next, was that in fact the majority of these girls can afford to lose some time on you.
So before my second trip I gave myself a challenge. To get laid about once a day, without spending a single shilling directly on sex. Shillings were only allowed to be spend on drinks or meal for the girl and definitely not on presents or sex.
Next I thought about a strategy to apply, to maximum the girlfriend / sex experience on one hand, and to minimize the financial spending on the other hand. I approached it as a game to be played, an adventure in which my goal was to become the master deceiver. To play the game like the girls play it. To "fight" them with their own weapons: lies, deception and psychological warfare.
I created the following rules:
- Before you take a girl to your room or you go to her place, etc. Always ask her first if she is a malaya. And state that you dislike malaya's very much. Only go with her, if she says no. If you can get this in written form via sms it's even better. Remember it's all about psychology.
- Dream / Story-telling, pretend that you are searching for everlasting love but that you are very careful because you heard so many bad stories about african women. This will make her feel doubt and gamble: either invest her body / time in you without getting financial value, or a potential ticket to USA / Europe in long term, etc.
- Never never ask a girl for sex or start sex first. Even when laying in the same bed naked, make her start to approach you.
- Lie lie lie, excuses excuses excuses, create a story about yourself, what you do, your life etc. Which is not true, tell this story to every single girl. First, this will make it easier for you not to make mistakes and second the story will be consistent once the girls start talking to each-other.
- Create a network of girls. This can be done beforehand via the internet. The goal is not necessary to date them, but to use them as a buffer in case things go wrong. In other words, when a girl start to make trouble or do not want to leave. You can call another one to show up.
- If a girl makes trouble, use the strategy of passive resistance. Refuse to argue, hence even refuse to speak any longer with her, leave the place immediately of place of argue, etc. The only thing you will say once is 'I never pay for sex, and by the way prostitution is illegal according to Kenyan law'.
I've spend one week there:
- Girl 1: was a girl I spend several days with at her home on my first trip. She was a good lay so I thought it would be a good start. She picked me up in downtown Mtwapa and she wanted to spend the full week with me. As she gained too much pounds according to my preference, I banged her once, took a shower, watched some tv, etc. Then I told her that "the feelings I had to her" were apparently not the same anymore as last time, and I felt I had to leave. She was very surprised. Next she said she can't pay her electricity bill etc. So I left 500 shilling on the table, which should cover for the foods and drinks I took from her place. Case closed.
- Girl 2: Big Tree. She was young. 19 I think. Good Looking. Her friend asked if she could come to have a drink with me. I said I was not interested. Was reading a book. One hour later she came to me herself and ordered the bartender a drink for me which she paid. I accepted and started chatting with her. Next bought her a drink also (to stay even) , and 2 hours later I stood up and said I will go back to my hotel to eat dinner. Next she asked if she could come with me. I played my lines with her. We went to the hotel, bought her dinner. We banged. In the morning we banged again. Next she asked 3000 shilling. I reacted surprised and said I could not give her money as it's against my principles. She begged. I refused. Next she left, never gave me another call or ring. She told me I had a heart of stone that nobody could break. Case closed.
- Girl 3: Went out one evening in Caserina. Played the game according to the rules above. I said in daytime that I had to study for university so she had to leave my room and come back in the evenings or go out together. Banged her the first night. Banged her the second night. The third night I said I had a headache (I think not only women have a right to have headaches right?.). Case closed.
- Girl 4: On the night that I had "a headache", I decided just to sit in the bar drinking. At around 23 o'clock a girl came to order some drinks for herself and her african male companion. I chatted with her, puled some jokes etc. She went back to her table. After 15 minutes she asked me to come to sit with them and drink. We talked chit-chat. Apparently the guy could not speak English. 30 minutes later she offered me to go to watch a movie at her place. So we splitted and I followed her. At her place she took a shower, undressed her clothes. Banged her in her big bed. I remember that evening there was no electricity, it was humid and hot, the room was pitch dark and the sex we got was steaming hot, one of the best in my life. Apparently she was living with a girlfriend who was out. Next sleeping. After 30 minutes (long enough to justify my excuse) I told her I was restless and had problems sleeping in a place which was not my own. She called me a motorcycle who brought me back to my hotel and we agreed to meet the next day as she wanted me to go with her to Nairobi. The next day I cancelled the appointment and told her the timeframe was too short to me to travel back and forth to Nairobi. Next I turned my phone off. When I turned it on again 12 hours later I saw she called twice. Case closed.
- Girl 5: internet girl, cousin of a group of 2 cousins and a friend I was playing online for a while. She had to travel from a another city to meet me. We met on Sunday, the day before I would fly back. She was expected to come at about 4 pm.
When I was sitting in the bar outside the hotel. What do I suddenly see. Girl 3 moving in the hotel on her way to my room together with her auntie (in who's place I had eaten spaghetti and drink beers some eve's before we went out together). They approached me in the bar, and were obviously mad that I did not returned the calls etc. So I sad I was ill, and that I could not meet her anymore as I had an appointed in 2 hours with a longtime friend. Next they asked money. So I stayed silent, asked why you need money for? She said, you should show respect for my auntie and the nights I spend with you? I immediately called security and demanded them to remove them from the hotel immediately as I felt threatened (which I overstated to the security). Then in front of all of them (security + girl + auntie) I only said the following: apparently this girl is a malaya as she requests money from me as we spend the night together. However I never promised anything and I never pay for sex, not abroad and not in Kenya and I stated that prostitution is illegal under Kenyan Law. I gave it an extra push by stating that I'm a good christian and would never go with a prostitute. Next I walked to my hotel room and waited till they were gone. Security cleaned the mess and came to inform me about 1 hour later that they were gone.
30 minutes later Girl 4 arrived. I was sitting, drinking and laughing with her in the bar. Lot of eyes on me off course from the personnel. I told her the above story and expressed her my disbelief and stress. She took me out to Tembo and some other clubs, where she kissed me etc. We ended up in bed, again I did not started anything. After one hour she came on top of me and she gave me a great ride. I gave her some money for the trip back to home and a meal. Next online she said she was broke, , wanted to make baby with me, etc. It ended up with her blocking me on facebook. Case closed.
I think I can say I succeeded my mission. On 7 nights I got laid 6 nights and sometimes more than once with minimal financial investment.
I share this story with you, to give a different perspective. I played a game within the game, a game of lies and deception. However I would not advise others to practice it without extreme caution as it could lead to dangerous or unpleasant situations. After all you are on holidays, so the preferred way I think is still the middle way, a mix of the strategies that I applied + the holiday lifestyle of the regular visitor. Which is the same underlying reason as why the vast majority of whites don't mind overspending, cause they want no trouble on their holidays and more importantly don't risk their lives. In which to a large extend I can only applaud them.
It must be said, that the strategies I applied were good but not bulletproof. I think it would have been better if I spend the night everyday at a different hotel. And I'm sure some of you could even highlight other mistakes or suggestions for improvement.
From a psychological perspective it's extremely interesting to experience how you yourself and the girls react in that environment within these conditions. It's the game of poker at it best. I guess it's clear that all-most none of the girls tried to contact me back, they all realized their losses, folded their hands and withdrew from my gaming table. To see and experience this single thing should be a must pass for every mongerer, the realisation that when there is no money on the table you stop meaning anything to them. You are of no value to them anymore, worth nothing. A reality which stands in sharp contrast to the illusion that a lot of whites in Kenya like to believe.
Interesting, very interesting time I had there.
Cheers!
Woef Woef.
"Hells are empty and all the devils are here". Sir William Shakespeare.
Perhaps I make 300, 000 / month or 30, 000 or 3, 000, 000 shilling per month. If the women you associate with perceive westerners as uber wealthy and that they, the women, should be entitled to share the man's wealth, then you have a point. That's a self entitled philosophy I don't agree with, but if some guys want to pay 10, 000 shilling per night or whatever, good for them. I'm sure that will make your girls happy.
By the way. 5,000 shilling for a 7 day week is little more than 700 shilling per day. Significantly below what I have heard most anyone on the board suggest for a woman befriended. And overall. 5,000 shilling is still not much less than a full months average Kenyan income.
If you spot any guys paying out that rate, you can tell them I suggest a few more shilling, ok?atPete;
When I brought up the Marondo thing, I was just trying to give the guys an "inside scoop" on the attitude that some of the Msa girls have towards a section of the "market"
"Self entitled philosophy" describes so well how most women I have met feel towards the men they associate with. I couldn't think of a better word to describe it. If we left it to the women, they would take the whole pay cheque even! I would not have put it any better.
It is because of this attitude that some of the women have assumed derogatory attitude towards those of us who they feel have more to share but opt to share less. But still,"the women I associate with" call us marondos because we are poor and can't afford for them what westerners can, ie good hotel accomodation, and a fat wad of cash. But when they refer to a mzungu as a marondo, it almost feels to me as if the mzungu / westerner allure is dying. I don't know how to put it, but it just doesn't feel right. It is almost as if they are saying they expect "bedbug bed" treatment from the mzungu. Westerners are on average much more prosperous than Kenyans. Kenyan girls expect more from them. It is only natural. I can't put a figure to it, because the women are so variable.
Bareback Jack
08-16-12, 00:17
And overall. 5,000 shilling is still not much less than a full months average Kenyan incomeTrue, but why the comparison to average income? Where in this world would a prostitute work for average income and why should she?
True, but why the comparison to average income? Where in this world would a prostitute work for average income and why should she?A comparison towards the average income is a good comparison in my humble opinion. Imagine the average income of the average prostitute in a specific country to be much higher than the average income of a worker?
Normally this will lead to a dysfunctional society. Cause why should you work in a hotel for a month, if you can earn the same money by hanging around at bars and spreading your legs LT twice a month?
So one would assume that this would lead to a high (er) amount of prostitutes (be it pro, non-pro or however you categorize them). It's all supply-demand in the end in fact.
I don't know if demand is increasing in Kenya so for the hypothesis I will assume it stays equal. In that case if supply goes up, then normally prices should drop. However there is an alternative scenario in fact. It's also possible that the supply side will decide to work less per average worker but for the same price.
Let's compare the situation to brothels in red-light districts in Europe. I think in most West-European countries the rate a girl has to pay per shift of 12 hours is about 200 euro rent for the window. Let's say the average cost for a fuck is about 50 euro. This means that she will have to finish 4 customers a day to break-even.
The average working girl behind windows will make about 1500-2000 euro a month after rent of her working place and taxes. This is is higher than the average income but not much, so comparable.
As most of these girls are foreigners, why would they suffer this much only to make some more than the average income? Because they often send euro money home where the value of it in the destination country is much higher than at the source. And mostly the first years they have all-most nothing left in fact, as they need to pay of their pimps who brought them to Europe (cost about 25-50K euro) which equals about 1-2 years of work. After that they are break-even. That's also often the time when you see them stop working behind windows in fact, or working less, and start to live full-time on European social security benefits which is about 1000-1200 euro a month.
Now we are not talking about high-class prostitutes here. The same is the case in MBA, Mtwapa, etc. And we are talking in general. An individual can off course always be an exception, but that we can consider as statistical noise.
So the average windows prostitute in Europe makes max. 25% more than the average income for a lot of hard work. While the Mtwapa street prostitute can make much more than the average income while her working conditions are easier and she will have to do less fucks for more money in relative numbers.
The only conclusion from a socio-economical perspective is that prices are too high there which creates a high probability that the average kenyan young woman will prostitute herself.
I don't know where you live. But I assume it's a rich country towards Kenya. Now imagine from next month social security becomes less, unemployment increases and on top of that thousands of foreigners enter your country for sex holidays throwing a multitude of the average income to pussy. What do you think would be the probability that your young daughters are going to end up doing? Working in a hotel? Or spreading legs?
BTW this scenario was basically what happened in world war II at the top of the german power. It created thousands of white young prostitutes to german soldiers.
Customers who are consistently overpaying are a very important factor why prostitution keeps growing in Kenya. It's not the only factor off course, but it's a very important one. And it is one which we ourselves create.
That's why I agree with Willyboy, etc. In these conditions there is a lot of room for getting what you want at lower prices also. And mostly that will occur later in the night or with fixed contacts, when the heavy spenders are already sleeping like a bear after they spread their seeds.
Pete Benetar
08-16-12, 02:19
True, but why the comparison to average income? Where in this world would a prostitute work for average income and why should she?First, I'm not referring to professionals. Second, the 5, 000 shilling number was based on ONE week and I did not seriously propose that as a sole source of income for an able bodied woman looking to support herself. If you include 4-5 weeks that would come out to over 20, 000 shilling per month so I am guessing that would still be much more than the AVERAGE kenyan earns.
Moreover if you go by what most, myself included, would consider fair based on present exchange rates and national income numbers providing 1000-2000 a day then you can multiply 1500 shilling by 6 day work weeks. If she "worked" full time at that rate, you are closer to 40, 000 shilling per month.
I doubt anyone in this thread who spent a week with a lovely and genuinely liked her would gift her with a scant 5000 shilling. So I am not in any way recommending 5000 shilling per month for a lovely woman working for average pay. But I think a multiple of 5 or 10 times the average per capita income is not too shabby, no?
So, where exactly Mr. Wenzman has anyone said anything about "do-good"? No one here claims to have noble intentions as far as I can see. It is only that a few individuals like myself have voiced the opinion that prevailing market rate is nothing more but an orientation guideline. Treating everyone the same doesn't seem to be logical to me. A standard rate awards the same to a less attractive or overweight woman as to a very attractive woman in perfect shape. Proof that not all women fall into the second category can be seen plenty in the photo gallery.
For arguments sake, you might say that your gold member doesn't know the difference when it's inside the punany. Then, of course it would be money wasted. However, if the packaging is important, which after all is again a matter of personal preference, then it seems to be logical to award a better rate to an individual that offers the overall better package in the eyes of the client.Welcome to kindergarten.
Incidentally, yesterday I have paid in a German FKK Club for 30 min full sex with a beautifull lady by your standards 50 €. Hopefully that was enough for you. Get a life and go *ucking
Bareback Jack
08-16-12, 08:43
But I think a multiple of 5 or 10 times the average per capita income is not too shabby, no?I saw your other post where you quoted statistics from sources like IMF, CIA Factbook etc. You seem to like those statistics a lot. I'm sure you are aware that a simple arithmetic average isn't a very representative measure. We could take a deeper dive into stochastic calculus but that would surely be beyond the scope of this topic. However, even in the US it's a pretty irrelevant number as it doesn't even account for regional differences.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, CIA for instances quotes GDP per capita at $48, 500 which should not be mistaken for income. If you were to arrive at average income numbers in Kenya, or anywhere in Africa for that matter, it would be mostly guess work. Many workers are in unofficial employment, without registration and tax payments and small businesses are allowed to pay a 2% turn over tax on what they file as turnover. KRA has not yet developed the capabilities of the IRS or HMRC for that matter.
If you have asked around, you will of course hear what people tell you they earn, but have you really ever seen a payslip here in Kenya? Most waiters will tell you they work for 6k, room maids for 7k, etc. If you speak or know senior management in hotels, they will tell you another, quite different story. The truth might be somewhere in between. Earnings for police officers have been published officially. Police and army are usually among the lowest earners in almost every country. If you take that for instance you get a much better idea of what the earnings at the lower bracket of unskilled workers are. The official figure of the government for a minimum wage employment for a house girl for instance is 7, 000.
We all know that these wages are too low to make a living. Police spice up their wages by open bribery and most employees have some kind of money generating mini business on the side. If you really care to take a look around you will get to understand real prices as well. The cheapest 1-bed home with electricity for example somewhere deep inside the non-tourist side of Mtwapa goes for about 4k per month, on the other side you will pay a minimum of 10k, hardly something someone could afford from a 5k / month income.
So, let's add together: 10k for a bedsit. 1k for electricity, another 6k to bring food on the table, clothes and hair salon (for women) add another 3k, so even the most cost conscious babe will need at least 20k a month to barely break even.
A while ago I spoke to one of those mzungu "Marondo". He lived here in Kenya off a 800€/month pension. He had a small flat for about 12k in Mtwapa. He said he found it hard to get around with the money. According to his own account he had to cut down on girls and would afford himself only 2-3 girls per week for short time (1k) , as otherwise he wouldn't be able to maintain himself, given the real cost of living.
If you believe that 5, 000 is the average income in Mombasa or Nairobi, you will also believe in Santa Claus. Do you really think the dramatic expansion of brands like Nakumatt, Tukys etc has been fuelled by tourists only? Far away from the truth.
Anyway, we can go on about this forever and end up with no conclusion at all
Thanks for the explanation you give about your opinion on prostitution payment in kenya. I can not explain better in my cramped english. But this is what I've always wanted to write.
Average per capita income. Rather tricky. In Kenya, bottom 80% have 6% of net worth, and in the USA it is about 15% So in such ridiculously skewed situations, we should probably think median or mode. Which is much more "squalid" than artificial "average". These girls are poor. Forget average.
Just that, someone coming from the first world just looking to get laid, or on business trip is likely to be coming from the favourable side of the median. He will more likely run into women who belong to the same side of the native median. They have an idea, so they will inevitably haggle.
I saw your other post where you quoted statistics from sources like IMF, CIA Factbook etc. You seem to like those statistics a lot. I'm sure you are aware that a simple arithmetic average isn't a very representative measure. We could take a deeper dive into stochastic calculus but that would surely be beyond the scope of this topic. However, even in the US it's a pretty irrelevant number as it doesn't even account for regional differences.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, CIA for instances quotes GDP per capita at $48, 500 which should not be mistaken for income. If you were to arrive at average income numbers in Kenya, or anywhere in Africa for that matter, it would be mostly guess work. Many workers are in unofficial employment, without registration and tax payments and small businesses are allowed to pay a 2% turn over tax on what they file as turnover. KRA has not yet developed the capabilities of the IRS or HMRC for that matter.
If you have asked around, you will of course hear what people tell you they earn, but have you really ever seen a payslip here in Kenya? Most waiters will tell you they work for 6k, room maids for 7k, etc. If you speak or know senior management in hotels, they will tell you another, quite different story. The truth might be somewhere in between. Earnings for police officers have been published officially. Police and army are usually among the lowest earners in almost every country. If you take that for instance you get a much better idea of what the earnings at the lower bracket of unskilled workers are. The official figure of the government for a minimum wage employment for a house girl for instance is 7, 000.
We all know that these wages are too low to make a living. Police spice up their wages by open bribery and most employees have some kind of money generating mini business on the side. If you really care to take a look around you will get to understand real prices as well. The cheapest 1-bed home with electricity for example somewhere deep inside the non-tourist side of Mtwapa goes for about 4k per month, on the other side you will pay a minimum of 10k, hardly something someone could afford from a 5k / month income.
So, let's add together: 10k for a bedsit. 1k for electricity, another 6k to bring food on the table, clothes and hair salon (for women) add another 3k, so even the most cost conscious babe will need at least 20k a month to barely break even.
A while ago I spoke to one of those mzungu "Marondo". He lived here in Kenya off a 800€/month pension. He had a small flat for about 12k in Mtwapa. He said he found it hard to get around with the money. According to his own account he had to cut down on girls and would afford himself only 2-3 girls per week for short time (1k) , as otherwise he wouldn't be able to maintain himself, given the real cost of living.
If you believe that 5, 000 is the average income in Mombasa or Nairobi, you will also believe in Santa Claus. Do you really think the dramatic expansion of brands like Nakumatt, Tukys etc has been fuelled by tourists only? Far away from the truth.
Anyway, we can go on about this forever and end up with no conclusion at allI will not giving food for persons renting UNDER 5k / month. In Mtwapa. Very nice appartments for 8k / month. (just after kendas, new appartments) yes, for kenya kimbo is 800 euro. Small money to survivel in mtwapa. Special if this guys drinking like fouls in cheers. Likoli (after ferry) staying +1000 rooms (4 wals +bed) for 1000ksh / month.
I now waiter in one hotel in town. 8k salery (having one not working wife end 2 kids) hi survivel from this money)
Pete Benetar
08-16-12, 16:16
I saw your other post where you quoted statistics from sources like IMF, CIA Factbook etc. You seem to like those statistics a lot. I'm sure you are aware that a simple arithmetic average isn't a very representative measure. We could take a deeper dive into stochastic calculus but that would surely be beyond the scope of this topic. However, even in the US it's a pretty irrelevant number as it doesn't even account for regional differences.
Anyway, we can go on about this forever and end up with no conclusion at allStochastic calc? LOL, that's why I made the original qualifier with respect to using price parity stats etc. These numbers and my simple arithmetic are no substitute for what real people are living on. I've posted pics of the girl I brought home with me from Accra on a Study visa. Most comments on the Ghana board appreciated this woman's beauty. I have pretty high standards physically and I would rate her as an "8", but her non physical attributes (intellect, honesty, personality, libido, values) take her solidly into the 9-10 range in my book.
This woman from Accra was thriving on 100-150 USD per month and I am reasonably certain NBO or MBSA are not substantially more expensive than ACC if at all. But she's not a professional working girl and never conducted herself as such.
So your last comment is the only thing I think I could possibly agree with you on, as we are interested in much different partners. Personally I do not travel to 3rd world nations to support a woman there living in a 1st or developed world lifestyle. I seek a lovely woman who is content with her station in life and is happy to have male companionship and to be treated lavishly. Gifting and whoring are optional, but of course you want to be generous with a woman you befriend and care for.
You suggest we should be making sex a highly profitable enterprise whereby the woman not only exceeds the national per capita by a large multiple but also profits (e. G."barely breaks even" on 20, 000 shilling per month?) such that she might support her family, friends or perhaps invest her profits in a well balanced investment portfolio for retirement.
Looking for these two very different women I am sure we could never agree on what price we pay.
Using "average income" is misleading if it is true bottom 80% possess 6% of the wealth in Kenya (15% in USA?) In such a hopelessly schewed picture, the more realistic measure is the median. Or mode, which will of course refelct a very squalid state of affairs especially in Kenya. The girls are very poor. Am sure the "Average" income figure lies somewhere in the top 10th centile group.
And the Mzungu who can afford a holiday in Kenya are probably on the favourable side of their native median. The girls know this, so I would expect them to haggle. Who wouldn't?
Bareback Jack
08-17-12, 00:18
Looking for these two very different women I am sure we could never agree on what price we pay.Exactly! We possibly wouldn't even agree on who is beautiful or lovely for that matter and we don't need to. You're happy the way you're rolling and I'm happy my way.
Bareback Jack
08-17-12, 00:36
What do you think would be the probability that your young daughters are going to end up doing? Working in a hotel? Or spreading legs?I don't know and I don't really care. I'm certainly not influencing my children's choice of job. Nobody is forced to choose the path of more money. It's a conscious decision.
Customers who are consistently overpaying are a very important factor why prostitution keeps growing in Kenya. It's not the only factor off course, but it's a very important one. And it is one which we ourselves createYou are having a laugh, aren't you. So it's Willyboy and you who are actually trying to eradicate prostitution by paying less, so that other choices of job can become more attractive? Well, that's by far the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard
It's just basic econ 101. She has what you want. She wants to get as much as she can for it. You want to get it as cheaply as possible. You negotiate. If you reach a mutually satisfactory agreement, the transaction is consumated. If not, negotiations continue or are broken off and both parties seek other business partners.
Everything else is just posturing and swag or bribery. Chat. Reach a compromise. Go do the deed!
You are having a laugh, aren't you. So it's Willyboy and you who are actually trying to eradicate prostitution by paying less, so that other choices of job can become more attractive? Well, that's by far the most ridiculous argument I've ever heardNo, I always want to pay the right price for the right product / service. I guess you don't waste dollars on most other products / services you buy so why you are willing to do it on hookers?
Seems you have a moral issue with the fact that your over-paying creates more prostitution in Kenya. Or you saw your mongering and over-spending as an act of helping those poor African women?
It's just basic econ 101. She has what you want. She wants to get as much as she can for it. You want to get it as cheaply as possible.In Kenya, no mzungu can manage "as cheap as possible". There are girls doing it for 20/=! But someone might find himself looking for a gas mask first.
LustyHombre
08-17-12, 06:28
So what did you set out to prove? Was it that malayas are as susceptible to deception and lies as are regular civilians, and that they are often willing to accept you at face value. Until proven otherwise?
I find it strange that you would sacrifice 7 days of your precious vacation time to play mind games with WG's. It seems you derived a good deal of satisfaction out of tricking them into giving up their wares for free.
I take it, from the way how you express yourself, that you are a well educated person. Does it not offend your sense of fairplay to engage in a battle of wits with young girls who are most likely from a socially disadvantaged background and have never been taught how to reason logically. Shame on you!
LustyHombre
08-17-12, 06:56
Customers who are consistently overpaying are a very important factor why prostitution keeps growing in Kenya. It's not the only factor off course, but it's a very important one. And it is one which we ourselves create.
That's why I agree with Willyboy, etc. In these conditions there is a lot of room for getting what you want at lower prices also. And mostly that will occur later in the night or with fixed contacts, when the heavy spenders are already sleeping like a bear after they spread their seeds.There is another dimension which comes into play as well, namely value or rather : perceived value.
No question that most people would be prepared to pay more for a Rolls Royce than for a Hillman Imp. But how much more? Is a multiple of 60 adequate? And maybe it is to me but not to you. Thanks God, it's a free world and everybody has to pay with their own money and be able to justify it, either internally or to the wife!
Same with girls : am I content with the leftovers at a night club at the end of the night and maybe even try to bargain her down a bit further? Or do I chose from the prime time offerings and pay close to the asking price?
I don't think there is a Right or Wrong here. Everybody decides for him or herself and I hope will be happy with their choice.
If you pity the guy who has never experienced the pleasure of driving a RR, remember only " what I don't know I won't miss ".
So what did you set out to prove? Was it that malayas are as susceptible to deception and lies as are regular civilians, and that they are often willing to accept you at face value. Until proven otherwise?
I find it strange that you would sacrifice 7 days of your precious vacation time to play mind games with WG's. It seems you derived a good deal of satisfaction out of tricking them into giving up their wares for free.
I take it, from the way how you express yourself, that you are a well educated person. Does it not offend your sense of fairplay to engage in a battle of wits with young girls who are most likely from a socially disadvantaged background and have never been taught how to reason logically. Shame on you!The kenya girls should be ashamed to inform us as to deceive and lie to. If you have not made&8203; &8203; ? I have encountered no other! You might want to understand? Or do you think they are for their I-pad itself worked? Have deceived us?
Bareback Jack
08-17-12, 08:55
Seems you have a moral issue with the fact that your over-paying creates more prostitution in Kenya. Or you saw your mongering and over-spending as an act of helping those poor African women?I don't have any moral issues with that, quite to the contrary. This is a mongering forum and if I had moral issues I won't be here. I just refuse to let my spending habit to be dictated by market theories or self important individuals. Right now, I will make this even a sport and take it to new heights. In the end if you don't like that. Tough! Nothing much you can do about that.
Bareback Jack
08-17-12, 08:58
The kenya girls should be ashamed to inform us as to deceive and lie to. If you have not made&8203; &8203; ? I have encountered no other! You might want to understand? Or do you think they are for their I-pad itself worked? Have deceived us?Really hard to decipher the message through all that gibberish. So, you don't want them to have an iPad, or you need one? Let me know I'll make a donation and leave it at Kahama, so you can easily find it
Really hard to decipher the message through all that gibberish. So, you don't want them to have an iPad, or you need one? Let me know I'll make a donation and leave it at Kahama, so you can easily find itPlaese not spend or send money for my. Kenya girs are reddy to stiel it.
Small mobile from 2k. Is good for my. If it is going, than I not crying.
Really hard to decipher the message through all that gibberish. So, you don't want them to have an iPad, or you need one? Let me know I'll make a donation and leave it at Kahama, so you can easily find itIf possibel, not attac the forumwriter in person. If you write. Write for evrybody, or send privat message.
Bareback Jack
08-17-12, 16:45
Really hard to decipher the message through all that gibberish. So, you don't want them to have an iPad, or you need one? Let me know I'll make a donation and leave it at Kahama, so you can easily find itMy apologies to Williboy. It was meant in a lighthearted way!
There is another dimension which comes into play as well, namely value or rather : perceived value.
No question that most people would be prepared to pay more for a Rolls Royce than for a Hillman Imp. But how much more? Is a multiple of 60 adequate? And maybe it is to me but not to you. Thanks God, it's a free world and everybody has to pay with their own money and be able to justify it, either internally or to the wife!
Same with girls : am I content with the leftovers at a night club at the end of the night and maybe even try to bargain her down a bit further? Or do I chose from the prime time offerings and pay close to the asking price?
I don't think there is a Right or Wrong here. Everybody decides for him or herself and I hope will be happy with their choice.
If you pity the guy who has never experienced the pleasure of driving a RR, remember only " what I don't know I won't miss ".Perceived value. Which will be mapped by any customer afterwards towards his expectations of the service, and if the latter are higher than the perceived value he will be dissatisfied.
So do you agree that if tomorrow more people start to throw money at a specific car based upon perceived value and expectations that the manufacturer will decide to produce more cars of that type? If so, you should also agree that if mongerers pay higher prices for prostitutes that this will lead to more prostitution.
Next, you think there is no right or wrong. But to me, that statement is very false. The reason why you think so, is because there are no customer satisfaction ratings that you can evaluate before you make your decision to buy sexual services from a specific girl. If you could see beforehand that 80% of customers have evaluated your "top-notch" girl below or equal to 5/10, and next you see a leftover were 80% of the customers gave a score higher or equal to 8/10. Which girl you are going to chose?
That would lead to a much more free market system regarding prostitution than it is now. Now you just pay the price that the girl is setting, and when you can negotiate a bit lower you have the feeling that you are in control. Let me tell you the guys at the end of the evening with the mass of leftovers, are much more in control than you do.
I stick with my point that Willyboy explained it correctly before. The vast majority of customers live in the illusion that they are in control and setting in prices. And that in fact the girls are in control and deceiving the customers. However I would like to add on top that it's especially the clients deceiving themselves. For any other service or goods they would never spend their money in the same way, it would be foolish and lead to personal bankruptcy sooner than later if this becomes regular behavior. But because it's about sex, clients like to deceive themselves with all sorts of excuses.
I conclude that in order to monger you don't need to be good at it to enjoy it.
DylanGerman
08-17-12, 19:24
Really hard to decipher the message through all that gibberish. So, you don't want them to have an iPad, or you need one? Let me know I'll make a donation and leave it at Kahama, so you can easily find itHe is like that. LOL.
Though he is one of my hero's
I take it, from the way how you express yourself, that you are a well educated person. Does it not offend your sense of fairplay to engage in a battle of wits with young girls who are most likely from a socially disadvantaged background and have never been taught how to reason logically. Shame on you!First, most of these young girls are not much younger than I am. So to me they are rather girls not young girls, old man.
Second, I do not feel shame as I have done nothing illegal. You can find me immoral according to your principles, but that's just your personal opinion about me.
Third, allmost the whole of Kenya is coming to a socially disadvantaged background compared to me. Does this implies that if tomorrow a Mombassa salesman who tries to puts a sales-pitch on me to sell me a car and fails, and I counter-react the negotiations and buy it at a much much lower price which leaves him only a very small margin, that I also need to shame myself and feel sorry to him? Why should I, it is in the end HE not me that decided to sell me the car at the negotiated price, it's not like I forced him. Neither I forced the girls.
But because we are talking about sex, and coming as rich men towards poor africa, once again we like to deceive ourselves. We should feel sorry for them, as they are so sweet sir.
I don't have any moral issues with that, quite to the contrary. This is a mongering forum and if I had moral issues I won't be here. I just refuse to let my spending habit to be dictated by market theories or self important individuals. Right now, I will make this even a sport and take it to new heights. In the end if you don't like that. Tough! Nothing much you can do about that.It would not surprise me that a lot of visitors / posters are here just because they have moral issues with what they do. As it's always nice to see that you are not the only one.
I would argue that you let your spending habit be dictated by market theories almost all the time outside the sex-industry.
Self-important individuals? Hmmm. I can see your point. Before only Willyboy expressed these points and he could not speak English well so it might have been easy to tackle him. I just like to share my perhaps different views and arguments than mainstream here, that's all.
Bareback Jack
08-17-12, 21:02
Next, you think there is no right or wrong. But to me, that statement is very false. The reason why you think so, is because there are no customer satisfaction ratings that you can evaluate before you make your decision to buy sexual services from a specific girl. If you could see beforehand that 80% of customers have evaluated your "top-notch" girl below or equal to 5/10, and next you see a leftover were 80% of the customers gave a score higher or equal to 8/10. Which girl you are going to chose?Your argument is based on the assumption that there would be an objective rating system, which there isn't. You might rate a girl 8/10 and I might only give her 2/10. So, it's basically pointless. Also, dissatisfaction can only materialise if you negotiate beforehand, which I never do. To pick up on the somewhat lame car analogy: I can read road test of 100 people and never be the wiser all the same, so I would never decide on what a car is worth to me before actually driving it. The same way with girls: she gets what she deserves, which is based on my perception of her beauty, performance, attitude and last but not least quality of companionship. Which is all down to individual perception. There are so many different factors that may make a woman an instant turn on for one man and a complete turn off for another man. There is absolutely no objectivity in this, hence you can never determine a fair price.
Everyone has different criteria and those filter criteria limit what is available to you: Mine are fairly simple: I sleep only with black women with almost no exceptions. I find white women, no matter where they come from sexually not attractive. In terms of body shape and facial features again I'm more attracted to Nilotic tribes than the prevailing Bantu tribes. I like slim girls (50-52kg) , size 6-8, never more than B / C cups. Furthermore they need to have taste in terms of fashion, be pleasant in conversation and behaviour, know how to cook and be absolutely engaged and passionate in the bedroom. This leaves maybe 1 in 1000 and obviously this come with a price tag. I don't see why I would waste my time with anything but the very best (in my perception) as long as I can afford it.
I rest my case, as this discussion doesn't lead anywhere. The majority can continue to do as they please, I have never chosen to be mainstream, in absolutely no aspect of my life.
Bareback Jack
08-17-12, 21:15
I would argue that you let your spending habit be dictated by market theories almost all the time outside the sex-industry.You like to engage in pure speculation. You can only argue this hypothesis if you have factual evidence. Simple logical reasoning. Fact is, you don't know anything about me but the self confessed fact that I don't care about market prices for girls
atwiilyboy, you know Kenya too much what you doing in sabasaba? Msufi mkavu? Some of Kenyan boys fear those girls!Am Kenyan, and I can't touch a sabasaba girl!
For me it looks like. Here are two varieties of opinions. The one had to justify a bad some and try it with moral arguments. And the other. Like me I just *uck around for the best price with the most beautiful girl I get.
I confess. I'm a *ardcore *extourist. Please help me out. Or better not.
Thanks for the attention.
Wenzman
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LustyHombre
08-18-12, 14:19
First, most of these young girls are not much younger than I am. So to me they are rather girls not young girls, old man.
Second, I do not feel shame as I have done nothing illegal. You can find me immoral according to your principles, but that's just your personal opinion about me.
Third, allmost the whole of Kenya is coming to a socially disadvantaged background compared to me. Does this implies that if tomorrow a Mombassa salesman who tries to puts a sales-pitch on me to sell me a car and fails, and I counter-react the negotiations and buy it at a much much lower price which leaves him only a very small margin, that I also need to shame myself and feel sorry to him? Why should I, it is in the end HE not me that decided to sell me the car at the negotiated price, it's not like I forced him. Neither I forced the girls.
But because we are talking about sex, and coming as rich men towards poor africa, once again we like to deceive ourselves. We should feel sorry for them, as they are so sweet sir.WW, admittedly, your English is much better than WB's but you seem to lack clarity of thought equally :
While you may not have done anything illegal, you cheated several WG's out of their just rewards. Come on, you and everybody else knows why these girls offer themselves to us, but you tricked them into pretending that they are civilians, possibly by suggesting to them that you might be looking for a BF / GF relationship.
I find that morally reprehensible. Case closed!
LustyHombre
08-18-12, 18:23
Your argument is based on the assumption that there would be an objective rating system, which there isn't. You might rate a girl 8/10 and I might only give her 2/10. So, it's basically pointless. Also, dissatisfaction can only materialise if you negotiate beforehand, which I never do. To pick up on the somewhat lame car analogy: I can read road test of 100 people and never be the wiser all the same, so I would never decide on what a car is worth to me before actually driving it. The same way with girls: she gets what she deserves, which is based on my perception of her beauty, performance, attitude and last but not least quality of companionship. Which is all down to individual perception. There are so many different factors that may make a woman an instant turn on for one man and a complete turn off for another man. There is absolutely no objectivity in this, hence you can never determine a fair price.
Everyone has different criteria and those filter criteria limit what is available to you: Mine are fairly simple: I sleep only with black women with almost no exceptions. I find white women, no matter where they come from sexually not attractive. In terms of body shape and facial features again I'm more attracted to Nilotic tribes than the prevailing Bantu tribes. I like slim girls (50-52kg) , size 6-8, never more than B / C cups. Furthermore they need to have taste in terms of fashion, be pleasant in conversation and behaviour, know how to cook and be absolutely engaged and passionate in the bedroom. This leaves maybe 1 in 1000 and obviously this come with a price tag. I don't see why I would waste my time with anything but the very best (in my perception) as long as I can afford it.
I rest my case, as this discussion doesn't lead anywhere. The majority can continue to do as they please, I have never chosen to be mainstream, in absolutely no aspect of my life.I second these sentiments and statements, except that I generally prefer cafe-au-lait. That having been said, my current fave is a shoe Polish black Ugandan girl, which goes to show how principled I am in this regard.
LustyHombre
08-18-12, 20:25
I second these sentiments and statements, except that I generally prefer cafe-au-lait. That having been said, my current fave is a shoe Polish black Ugandan girl, which goes to show how principled I am in this regard.The Spelling Nazi is at it again : I intended to say "shoepolish black" and what got published?" shoe Polish " like in "glove Russian"?
Pete Benetar
08-18-12, 20:33
I second these sentiments and statements, except that I generally prefer cafe-au-lait. That having been said, my current fave is a shoepolish black Ugandan girl, which goes to show how principled I am in this regard.My shoe-p-o-l-i-s-h, lol, Ugandan (Tutsi, actually, family fled Rwanda to Kampala) I lived with a few years here stateside. Green card holder. She came home from an afternoon date I'd arranged for her with $5, 000 USD cash. LMAO, I knew she'd turned into a full fledged pro that day.
WW, admittedly, your English is much better than WB's but you seem to lack clarity of thought equally :
While you may not have done anything illegal, you cheated several WG's out of their just rewards. Come on, you and everybody else knows why these girls offer themselves to us, but you tricked them into pretending that they are civilians, possibly by suggesting to them that you might be looking for a BF / GF relationship.
I find that morally reprehensible. Case closed!Is it then also morally reprehensible according to you to do the very same thing towards white women on European or American soil; suggesting them that you might be looking for a BF / GF relationship only to get laid with them next? Because that's what most players are doing here.
Besides about 4 out of 5 girls that I met that week, gambled that they could be successful in gold-digging after they followed me. The proof is in the fact that they explicitly started to ask money on the moment of separation, although I told them before hand that I do not want to be with Malaya's. Which implies that 4 out of 5 were deceiving me also. Only one was truly honest and wanted to have casual sex with me and / or go for the bf / gf thingie.
The "rewards" you mention are non-existing. It was about two adults cunning / cheating each-other in a different way; like two thieves trying to steal from each-other.
LustyHombre
08-19-12, 04:11
My shoe-p-o-l-i-s-h, lol, Ugandan (Tutsi, actually, family fled Rwanda to Kampala) I lived with a few years here stateside. Green card holder. She came home from an afternoon date I'd arranged for her with $5, 000 USD cash. LMAO, I knew she'd turned into a full fledged pro that day.Thanks for bringing us back to the Only Thing That Matters, Pete!
She's absolutely gorgeous, but I don't know about the 5 k. You must be quite the pimp, LOL! Is that what girls command in your neck of the woods these days if their papers are in order?
Willyboy, if you can not afford to pay for the sex, take matters into your own hands (Wank)! I'm a Kenyan in Mombasa at the moment. I pay as much as 4k for a good girl. Old geezers like willyboy should just retire and keep to their hands!I did meeting with one girl in afro, spending holiday with my, only same tourist life llike my, no extra money. I need not help to pay high prices. Only losers doing this.
Willyboy, if you can not afford to pay for the sex, take matters into your own hands (Wank)! I'm a Kenyan in Mombasa at the moment. I pay as much as 4k for a good girl. Old geezers like willyboy should just retire and keep to their hands!If I not can pay one mercedes. I drive with with LADA. I will also come to my destination. Insite ALDI supermarket is also food that you can aet. Why I can not pay? I pay 5000ksh / day for my accomodation. Better to sleep one night alloon. End enjoy my good room. There is always HEBRICUS gasthouse for you (800ksh) So you can spend more for the malayas. Evrybody having his personel wish, how hi spend his money! I have no problem that you spend +1000 euro. I was not swtting for your money.
Bareback Jack
08-19-12, 10:27
Is it then also morally reprehensible according to you to do the very same thing towards white women on European or American soil; suggesting them that you might be looking for a BF / GF relationship only to get laid with them next? Because that's what most players are doing here."Players" are morally reprehensible everywhere in this world. Deception is just a bad character trait. In my life I found I do best with just saying what I want. This leaves everyone a way out and after all what you don't ask for you won't get.
Besides about 4 out of 5 girls that I met that week, gambled that they could be successful in gold-digging after they followed me. The proof is in the fact that they explicitly started to ask money on the moment of separation, although I told them before hand that I do not want to be with Malaya'sWell let's not blow things out of proportion. Gold digging happens at a different level. What you are talking about is petty cash. You might not know this, but it's not natural for girls here to talk about money, leave alone for sex. The money talk has been brought in this society by foreigners. Most of these girls would prefer actually you took them with you and parted with your money quietly and in a decent way, just as you would tip someone in a subtle way. The fact that they were asking you at the point of separation is just out of desperation. Bringing her in this kind of situation is even more reprehensible
During my last visit. One mzungu coming with matatu to big tree. There hi sitting with 3 girls. Spending 3000ksh (food end drinks for al ). Why hi was not coming with taxi? Intimidation about 3 girls was more inportent than his on confort! I look first for my confort, than maby staying with one girl during night.
Bareback Jack
08-19-12, 10:35
My shoe-p-o-l-i-s-h, lol, Ugandan (Tutsi, actually, family fled Rwanda to Kampala) I lived with a few years here stateside. Green card holder. She came home from an afternoon date I'd arranged for her with $5, 000 USD cash. LMAO, I knew she'd turned into a full fledged pro that day.Impeccable taste my friend. I'm glad she made it out of Rwanda! Good for her to be in the US. Making that kind of cash she can work with much less effort and this way she will remain hot cake for a very long time and afford a premier life style alongside. Well done! Much better to bed a few guys with cash than an endless string of tourists for pocket money.
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Willyboy, if you can not afford to pay for the sex, take matters into your own hands (Wank)! I'm a Kenyan in Mombasa at the moment. I pay as much as 4k for a good girl. Old geezers like willyboy should just retire and keep to their hands!It is very strangs that your FIRST raport is this text. Are you one kenya girl?
"Players" are morally reprehensible everywhere in this world. Deception is just a bad character trait. In my life I found I do best with just saying what I want. This leaves everyone a way out and after all what you don't ask for you won't get.
Well let's not blow things out of proportion. Gold digging happens at a different level. What you are talking about is petty cash. You might not know this, but it's not natural for girls here to talk about money, leave alone for sex. The money talk has been brought in this society by foreigners. Most of these girls would prefer actually you took them with you and parted with your money quietly and in a decent way, just as you would tip someone in a subtle way. The fact that they were asking you at the point of separation is just out of desperation. Bringing her in this kind of situation is even more reprehensibleI agree, it might not be their habit at that specific location. But seems malaya's have no problem to talk about money afterwards, so they might as well do so beforehand. Which they can and do, because that's how I made a few deals on my first trip.
You really believe those people prostitute themselves in order to survive? If they don't do it they would all die right? Really? Every single one does it out of laziness and greed to get quick money + at the same time to improve their probabilities to get a ticket out of the country.
It reminds me of when I was working (security, etc.) the past decade in the sex industry in West-Europe while I was studying. Most of the girls I met at those times were either coming from Ghana or Nigeria. Every single one of them told me that they knew beforehand that they would become prostitutes in the West, a few even already had some experiences in their home country. Which stands in sharp contrast with the view launched in the media that they are all victims of illegal sex trade but that's another discussion.
When I asked them if there are no jobs there or no other ways to make money, they told me that they worked before but that it's mostly hard work, long hours and low pay as they had no university degrees. In other words they decided to come to Europe and spread their legs to make quick and good money (via prostitution + social security) and some on top of that also to try to marry a mzungu.
So basically all those young malaya's you meet over there, all prefer to do sex-work while they are young and beautiful instead of selling banana's on the market or streets or working in a hotel, etc. I would not call that desperation, as they make their individual choices consciously.
But let's go forward with your assumption that every women in Mombasa who decided to become a Malaya is doing it out of desperation. If so, then what the f*ck are you doing in their arms? Playing Robin Hood and doing good deeds and generating good karma by screwing and overpaying them? And that is less morally reprehensible than being a player in the West? And the whole joke is that by over-paying them you attract even more of them to the business, even that you won't accept even while it is estimated that the mzungu spends 5 times more for having sex than the average kenyan earns in a day.
I will even go one step further. It is scientifically proven that the higher the percentage of prostitutes in a country, the higher the percentage of HIV / AIDS.
Why do you think there are relatively less prostitutes in the Democratic Republic of Congo than in Kenya? The DRC is more desperate than Kenya so according to your logic there should be more prostitution yet that is not the case. And at the same time the HIV / Aids rate in Kenya is 4-5 times as high as in the Congo.
KenyanBoy,
Your first Post and insult a well-deserved member. Just crawl back under your stone. But before show us a photo of your good girl. I probably had her for half of the price. Oh I just read your Name KenyanBoy. This is a place for men so you better go back to school.
Wenzman
My shoe-p-o-l-i-s-h, lol, Ugandan (Tutsi, actually, family fled Rwanda to Kampala) I lived with a few years here stateside. Green card holder. She came home from an afternoon date I'd arranged for her with $5, 000 USD cash. LMAO, I knew she'd turned into a full fledged pro that day.Deng! $5, 000? OK. I did not know women had a goldmine between their legs! Today is my lucky day! Now I know.
Pete Benetar
08-19-12, 15:45
Impeccable taste my friend. I'm glad she made it out of Rwanda! Good for her to be in the US. Making that kind of cash she can work with much less effort and this way she will remain hot cake for a very long time and afford a premier life style alongside. Well done! Much better to bed a few guys with cash than an endless string of tourists for pocket money.
JThanks Jhack. She was born Ugandan though her family had fled a previous genocide in the early 50's. She has clearly got that Tutsi aristocratic look (thanks or no thanks to our Belgian geneologists). I played that part up significantly in my narrative "self description" when marketing her and she was an instantaneous hit. I still search Rwanda and Ugandan sites, feverishly looking for my next "Aristocratic" Tutsi, LOL. (I don't have any exposure to real pros or escorts here in the USA, but I suspect real quality home grown African American escorts / prostitutes are few and far between)
BTW, beg pardon for the gloating on my last post until I can get Jackson to delete it. Waaayyyy too many Ales yesterday!
Pb
LustyHombre
08-19-12, 16:29
Is it then also morally reprehensible according to you to do the very same thing towards white women on European or American soil; suggesting them that you might be looking for a BF / GF relationship only to get laid with them next? Because that's what most players are doing here.Didn't I say earlier that you seem to lack clarity of thought?
I'd expect any European or American WG (regardless of the color of her skin) to laugh her ass off at the very suggestion that you'd bed her for free. That's her job after all, and she needs to get paid for performing it.
Why should it be any different in Africa? Because you induce the belief into her that you are a greenhorn mzungu who might offer her a ticket out of her present misery if she becomes your GF? Shame on you, if you sleep with her without at least giving her a present!
Having you as her BF might be nice, and a ticket to live in Belgium even better, but she still needs some little money to buy the daily neccessities, doesn't she?
Do you have it in your heart to deny this to her, after she went out of her way to make you happy?
Didn't I say earlier that you seem to lack clarity of thought?
I'd expect any European or American WG (regardless of the color of her skin) to laugh her ass off at the very suggestion that you'd bed her for free. That's her job after all, and she needs to get paid for performing it.
Why should it be any different in Africa? Because you induce the belief into her that you are a greenhorn mzungu who might offer her a ticket out of her present misery if she becomes your GF? Shame on you, if you sleep with her without at least giving her a present!
Having you as her BF might be nice, and a ticket to live in Belgium even better, but she still needs some little money to buy the daily neccessities, doesn't she?
Do you have it in your heart to deny this to her, after she went out of her way to make you happy?You misunderstood my question. I was referring to non-working girls on American or European soil.
atWoef woef.
I am with you on the getting even part. Kenyan girls like fooling people to think that they are in love. While their main interest is only money. I think we need a few more guys who can bring these girls to the point where they realise that the people they decieve have feelings too. Sometimes it takes a dose of one's own medicine for one to realise how nasty it tastes. But it is not clear whether all these girls were really "users / money hungry", and what measures you took to ensure that you were actually dealing with a "user" beforehand. One runs into danger of meeting an innocent and sincere woman and he ends up completely trashing a trusting heart.
LustyHombre
08-20-12, 05:29
Hey Lusty,
No, I'm not "The Pimp". Part fetish and part "philanthropist", haha. I always wanted to feel what it was like to promote and manage a starlet. My own practice was booming and I had pleny of entertainment. She wanted income and a sponsor so I gave her a good way to make decent money, managing her web and clientele. The john was CEO of a mid size company in Wash DC (where we lived at the time and where there is a LOT of $$$) ; I / we were only asking 250 USD per hour and that's the going rate I think for top class escorts by the hour in more affluent communities here. She was arguably the finest I've layed with (5'8".115 pounds. 32DD) ; smashed my 24 hour load record with this girl at 7 loads in one 24, though I have since bested that 8 drops with a 3-some in Ang City and again with my 22 year old from Ghana.
The guy laying out cash in DC wanted my Tutsi something fierce, LOL.$250 / hr in DC was middle of the road when I last visited in 08, if I remember correctly. She certainly looks aristocratic and might attract premium pricing, I. E. You are not quite "The Pimp" in my books anymore. However, your other exploits suggest that you might be "The Stud" instead, LOL.
PabloEuroLatin
08-20-12, 05:47
Is it easy to find busty girls (D cup or more) in Kenya?
Pete Benetar
08-20-12, 07:06
You are not quite "The Pimp" in my books anymore.HAHAHA. You've just delivered a knockout blow to any self esteemed image I had of myself as Master of Women, Sir Man-Who-Calls-Himself-Lusty.
Just as well though, pimping is not for me as I would prefer keeping the girls shackled in my own world of deprivation and not lose them out to other would-be "studs".
Best, Always
PB
Bareback Jack
08-20-12, 07:31
I don't have any exposure to real pros or escorts here in the USA, but I suspect real quality home grown African American escorts / prostitutes are few and farWell, I can't speak for the US, but in the UK generally African stunners are few and far and easily command £350 per hour. Your gorgeous Tutsi would sell like hot cake and the phone wouldn't stop ringing. I've entertained the idea for a while to inject the market in London with some talent from the east African region but, like you, I'd rather have them to myself LOL,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSmWB7VgsA
Pete Benetar
08-20-12, 17:42
Well, I can't speak for the US, but in the UK generally African stunners are few and far and easily command £350 per hour. Your gorgeous Tutsi would sell like hot cake and the phone wouldn't stop ringing. I've entertained the idea for a while to inject the market in London with some talent from the east African region but, like you, I'd rather have them to myself LOL,I'm quite sure it is the same here in the USA Lusty. What I have often used in the past are seeking out informal sugar babies (of which the Tutsi was one) who do not "state" they require funding, but are looking for relationships with guys who can provide for them. Prior to bringing my Ghanaian back, I lived with this Tutsi, a Jamaican, a Haitian (who was a medical doctor trying to get licensed here in the USA) and one black American in the last 5 years.
The American lasted six days.
The remaining girls were tolerable anywhere from 3 months to the Tutsi (the longest) who I stayed with for 2 years. The Ghanian has been with me for 12 months now and she is working out extremely well, primarily as she defers almost completely to my commands (not docile; she can be most confrontational but she is also traditional muslim and is marvelously obedient). The other girls ended up too demanding, crazy and / or lacking intelligence for me to stay with. My Jamaican was a real Barbie Doll but I took her to Dept of Motor Vehic 7 times and she failed the paper / knowledge driver's license test every time, despite being fluent in English. She was near perfect physically and had a pleasant demeanor, but I have SOME standards and one of them is they have to be able to cognate their way out of a paper bag.
Anyways, I relate this to your comments as IMHO westernized girls are not for me and that most definitely includes girls who prostitute themselves out for an hour or two. This goes to the argument Jhack and I were having; I'd rather put out a substantial investment into a long term partner who is a good friend and will provide service 24/7, on immediate notification. Short term (ie few hours to a week), I will pay modestly and of course be a little more generous for girls I really like, but only in the context of 3rd world arenas.
Otherwise, I've got plenty of vids and old pics and a 2$ bottle of Walmart hand lotion to take me through my lonlier moments, haha.
Is it easy to find busty girls (D cup or more) in Kenya?After evry corner in Mombasa. You find A-cup end D-cup. Fly to Mombasa end look around.
AfricanGirls
08-20-12, 20:45
After evry corner in Mombasa. You find A-cup end D-cup. Fly to Mombasa end look around.Very much so.
AfricanGirls
08-20-12, 20:46
Very much so.
DylanGerman
08-20-12, 21:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSmWB7VgsAVery interesting.
Thanks for the link
Bareback Jack
08-20-12, 21:57
Every single one does it out of laziness and greed to get quick money + at the same time to improve their probabilities to get a ticket out of the country.I think Lusty was too kind with you. Not only do you lack clarity of thought but also basics of logical reasoning. You are again just making assumptions here as you won't be able to investigate every single case, it's just a pointless generic statement, just like it would be to say all Belgians are incapable of logical reasoning. Even if you had personally spoken to thousands of prostitutes and verified their background it would not allow you to draw such a conclusion.
I will even go one step further. It is scientifically proven that the higher the percentage of prostitutes in a country, the higher the percentage of HIV / AIDS.Scientifically proven is again just another empty meaningless phrase to make your argument sound solid.
Why do you think there are relatively less prostitutes in the Democratic Republic of Congo than in Kenya? The DRC is more desperate than Kenya so according to your logic there should be more prostitution yet that is not the case. And at the same time the HIV / Aids rate in Kenya is 4-5 times as high as in the Congo.You can't possibly have a reliable estimate of how many prostitutes there are in the DRC nor in Kenya. As prostitution is illegal by law in both countries, nobody will ever hold their hands up and say "count me in, I'm one of them". All you can do is guess, which again is pointless. Whichever source you take, will tell you that reported HIV prevalence are estimated figures and not scientific facts. Testing is anonymous and free for many in Kenya with no registration, so all authorities will ever be able to establish anything more but a guess about how big a percentage of tests taken were positive and extrapolate from there. This is hardly a scientific method. I've personally witnessed how many of the people administering tests are lacking substantial skills in avoiding samples to be contaminated, possibly delivering a bunch of false positives to people who subsequently live in fear, just because they haven't been taught to question anything. I've personally taken 2 females wo tested positive to a lab for subsequent testing and they were confirmed as false positives. There are tens of known medical conditions which can affect the accuracy of HIV testing, so we got to be careful here with such generic statements.
I'm happy to go into much more detail with you, but you got to come up with something more substantial
Pete Benetar
08-20-12, 22:46
Well, I can't speak for the US....My apology to you Jhack and to the lusty Hombre for my misquoting (your words to him).
I do think girls benefit by being upfront as well with any cash requests, though as we've discussed I agree that this is indeed petty cash. But what woef's circumstances are I do not know. Perhaps he's a David Beckham lookalike. Perhaps no. It would be important in my opinion as to whether or not the ladies (save Auntie for girl #3) actually enjoyed their time with him.
Bareback Jack
08-21-12, 00:11
My apology to you Jhack and to the lusty Hombre for my misquoting (your words to him).
I do think girls benefit by being upfront as well with any cash requests, though as we've discussed I agree that this is indeed petty cash. But what woef's circumstances are I do not know. Perhaps he's a David Beckham lookalike. Perhaps no. It would be important in my opinion as to whether or not the ladies (save Auntie for girl #3) actually enjoyed their time with him.No worries. I share your opinion. Not interested in sex by the hour either.
As for woef I don't know either. According to his own account he is a young lad, so maybe he is on a mission to prove something to the world or himself. His rants remind me a little bit of Riley in the infamous episode "Guess Hoes coming for dinner" of the Boondocks. For those who haven't seen it just check on youTube and enjoy.
Well I guess, we won't know for sure if those women enjoyed their time as they aren't here to give testimony.
LustyHombre
08-21-12, 04:26
No worries. I share your opinion. Not interested in sex by the hour either.
As for woef I don't know either. According to his own account he is a young lad, so maybe he is on a mission to prove something to the world or himself. His rants remind me a little bit of Riley in the infamous episode "Guess Hoes coming for dinner" of the Boondocks. For those who haven't seen it just check on youTube and enjoy.
Well I guess, we won't know for sure if those women enjoyed their time as they aren't here to give testimony.Same here : what I am always aiming for is to establish a (of course, mutually beneficial) relationship which has some legs. Some last for just a few wks or mos, but 2 of them are still going strong after 2 yrs!
I would imagine that young bucks are only focused on their own gratification. They are unlikely to know that the best way to heighten your own pleasure is to provide pleasure to your partner. Well, well, it took me some time to develop the skill set required to become a proficient lover, and I am sure that Woef's generation is going to get there eventually as well!
LustyHombre
08-21-12, 04:51
I would imagine that young bucks are only focused on their own gratification. They are unlikely to know that the best way to heighten your own pleasure is to provide pleasure to your partner. Well, well, it took me some time to develop the skill set required to become a proficient lover, and I am sure that Woef's generation is going to get there eventually as well!I hope this doesn' t come across as too condescending. I apologize if it does.
What I wanted to express is that, as middle or old age sets in and decreases your physical capabilities you've got to find ways to compensate for that. The easy way out is to make her do some or most of the work. But you have to motivate her physically and emotionally, not only with " the pot at the end of the rainbow".
Amazonaslife
08-21-12, 18:30
. the people administering tests are lacking substantial skills in avoiding samples to be contaminated, possibly delivering a bunch of false positives to people .Not necessarily true. Free HIV tests are offered (also to muzungus) by mostly NGO runned VCTs (voluntary counselling and testing). They use cheap instant HIV tests, having an error margin of approx. 10. If you want accurate results, then go to a hospital or lab (often they insist for security reasons for a doctor conculting) , costing approx. 1.300 KSH for test and mayge 2. 000 KSH doctor fee.
I would like to restate that the strategy which I described and executed on my last trip was part of an experiment where the goal was to get a different girl each day without paying directly for sex. Off course the goal was self-gratification, I was not looking for love or long-term relationships, etc.
Explanation:
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I see a working girl as having two different personalities. On one hand she has the prostitute-hard personality, who is mainly interested in accumulating financial / material wealth via sex / deception etc. On the other hand she also has a human-soft side, who has a need for comfort, sex, love, etc. Like any other human being. An interesting question to ask yourself if you have a "relationship" with a WG is, if you have a relationship with "the prostitute side" or with the "human side".
I'm confident that you can have relationships with the "human" side, but my experiences is that the chances are much smaller compared to getting something going with "the prostitute side".
Keep in mind, that non-WG's also have a 'prostitute' side in them. I remember that for a while when I was going out and dating and girl-hunting I told them that my job was hauling trash (which is not the case) and that I only have little money when they asked me what I did. It was not a recipe for success.
Also those two sides are not mutually exclusive, but are both present, although I believe that at a specific moment in time one of them will be dominant towards another person.
Now imagine you are a WG in MBA and you meet a guy. The guy tells you he does not like malaya's or paying for sex, etc. And next you decide not just to go with him, but even propose to go with him and next even take initiative to get sex with him. Why would you make such a decision?
The 'prostitute side' might think the guy is bluffing and she will gamble that he do will give money, or she sees it as an investment to get the return later on, etc.
The 'human side' might be interested to know you better as a friend, potential lover or wants to get laid with you or the effect of the booz is also playing in her body, etc.
By formally rejecting the 'prostitute' (and money) side beforehand to her, you increase the probability to meet a 'human' side that night.
From the "prostitute side" of a WG you can get a lot, sex, gf experience, fun, etc. As long as the money is being placed on the table. If tomorrow there comes a guy in with the same or more money than you and treats her nice as well, then you will most likely lose her or get less of her. To me there is no art in this, no challenge. It's pure business camouflaged as non-business.
My gratification however lays in fact in getting freebies from WG's where the 'human' side prevails. From a player perspective I do think it's a job well done, to be able to get a WG give her body to you for free, especially if you encountered her in an environment where the "prostitute" side prevails. As it is a bigger challenge, the satisfaction is even bigger than getting laid with a regular non-WG.
Now it is true that in order to reach this I got laid with WG's in who the prostitute side prevails and who returned home empty-handed. They were warned beforehand, yet took the risk to get the shillings out of me later on via deception. Therefore I believe their underlying motives are rather driven by greed than by desperation. They decided to play chess with me and I put them checkmate, so my satisfaction here lies in winning the game.
Remark 1:
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Regarding statistics, I do find several sources online who measure prostitution in Africa, and research publications which investigate the link between HIV / Aids and %prostitution etc. I don't think it's necessary to interview a whole population to say something valid, hence the usage of statistics and sample sizes. Nevertheless I can accept the fact that data might be incomplete or inaccurate in this specific case.
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In my experience in life I think it's better than men do not masturbate, definitely not older men. I will explain why.
When I was younger my friends and I went out trying to get laid. There was the firm believe that it was best to jerk off a few times before going out so that if you scored a girl, you would not reach orgasm to fast and give her a good lay. I practiced that as well and remembered the results.
Next I wondered, what would happen if a men does not masturbate and have sex and during that period represses his physical and mental thoughts. I started to practice physical and mental celibacy for more than 3-4 weeks. What I found out was that the sexual energy does not get sublimated automatically towards intellectual or spiritual energy in a short time-span of 3-4 weeks. Instead the sexual energy remains in the body and adds up, giving you a stronger aura, more vigor, more sexual charisma, confidence, etc. It might be a self-fulling prophecy, but to my surprise I found out that it became easier to seduce women when you are celibate for a month, and that girls starts to seduce you more as well. It's like the sexual energy is sure that it will find a way out. But you only want to let it go when you get sex, so sex is what you will get. It is very hard to practice, but the results are more than in line with the effort it takes.
I'm also confident that if you practice this consistently in your life, you will get laid with much more women for free than the average guy, and on top of that be able to have better sexual performances at older age.
To those who doubt this, I propose you to practice it and see for yourself.
Remark 3:
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Regarding the non-condescending remark. So when a man gets older and loses his power, he will try to compensate it and as a result become a better lover. That's all fine and well, but I wonder, if tomorrow morning you wake up and you have all your youthful strength back what are you going to do next? And also what made you decide to bend yourself physically and emotionally in order to get laid at older age, why not leave sex for what it is, cherish the memories, buy a dog and lots of books and read?
Bareback Jack
08-22-12, 08:26
Much of what you say doesn't go very deep and could be described simply as amateur psychology. You might want consider practicing something else: trying to express yourself more succinctly. It's a skill worth honing.
Regarding statistics, I do find several sources online who measure prostitution in Africa, and research publications which investigate the link between HIV / Aids and %prostitution etc.You can't rely on the Internet as a source of truth. Assessing the veracity of information provided online is a daunting task. A research publication these days isn't to be taken as the holy grail either. Financial interests (of sponsors) are often masked as "research" and statistics have always been a useful tool to play with people's minds. Unless, you come from a mathematics background (like I do) , I'd say you don't really know what you are talking about.
I'm also confident that if you practice this consistently in your life, you will get laid with much more women for free than the average guy, and on top of that be able to have better sexual performances at older ageI'm glad that your proposed "celibacy" scheme works for you, but I beg to differ. My experience is totally different. Having a lot of sex during my life has made me a better lover and not diminished my capacity at all. Quite to the contrary. Having casual sex with a woman (for free) isn't a challenge. I wouldn't have to travel to Africa to achieve that. Proposing to lay prostitutes for free is just an absurdity.
So when a man gets older and loses his power, he will try to compensate it and as a result become a better lover. That's all fine and well, but I wonder, if tomorrow morning you wake up and you have all your youthful strength back what are you going to do next?You speak like someone who is terrified by the prospect of getting older. Well, let's give you a bit of consolation: you don't lose your power when you get older unless you live an unhealthy lifestyle. You were proposing sexual abstinence to cure your premature ejaculations. You won't be needing to do that when you get older, as you become a more relaxed person you will be able to go for hours too. In my personal experience I can say that I'm better at almost everything when compared to younger age, most certainly when it comes to endurance
Very much so.Again alarm. New member (girl)
Pete Benetar
08-22-12, 15:40
In my personal experience I can say that I'm better at almost everything when compared to younger age, most certainly when it comes to enduranceAbsolutely true, IMHO; though I'm not exactly ancient at 51 the ultimate quantifier to me is number of orgasms. Some of this I attribute to retirement (more time) AND more beautiful women (AFRICAN!) , but in my 50s I have been far exceeding any "personal best" I could fathom in my more youthful days without the use of any form of pharmaceutical aid, aphrodisiac etc.
As an off topic note, the clash yesterday in the Tana River valley appears limited to rural areas and unrelated to any type of islamo-christian tensions. Any relevance to MBA region might be worth expounding on here as indicated.
Also, Jhack, I might add that in other news I've found myself with a refreshing admiration of the British Monarch.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/showbiz/prince-harry-photos/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Bareback Jack
08-22-12, 17:48
Absolutely true, IMHO; though I'm not exactly ancient at 51 the ultimate quantifier to me is number of orgasms. Some of this I attribute to retirement (more time) AND more beautiful women (AFRICAN!) , but in my 50s I have been far exceeding any "personal best" I could fathom in my more youthful days without the use of any form of pharmaceutical aid, aphrodisiac etc.Same here. We are the same age then PB. I agree completely. I've achieved my personal best at age 49 and it was something I couldn't even dream of when I was in my 20s. Having said that, my taste and game has significantly improved since those days. Back then I just wanted to get laid. Today I'm not wasting my time with anything less than gorgeous, hence the need to come to Africa.
I share your dislike for pharmaceutical aids. I think the natural aphrodisiac (beauty) works best for me.
Also, Jhack, I might add that in other news I've found myself with a refreshing admiration of the British MonarchI couldn't agree more. I have renewed respect for the royal family!
Pete Benetar
08-22-12, 18:36
I've achieved my personal best at age 49.OK, between loads and I'm a little bored. I was 49 as well when I hit my current best in the PI and have since replicated once, last year with my current GF.
So at 49 I travel across the globe to reconnect to my longstanding affinity for little lovely filipinas who cater so heavenly to the needs of manhood. I'd just done a hat trick off a filly from BJ ally in AC and was enjoying an early am cup of coffee on the street my first day in country. This girl walks by and I was struck by how dark she was. She turned out to have a filly mom who had laid with a black GI at her conception. The moment she sat down with me after I beckoned her, I realized I would likely spend the week with her, which I did.
As they say, once you go black...(sorry, quality of pics not stellar)
Much of what you say doesn't go very deep and could be described simply as amateur psychology. You might want consider practicing something else: trying to express yourself more succinctly. It's a skill worth honing.
You can't rely on the Internet as a source of truth. Assessing the veracity of information provided online is a daunting task. A research publication these days isn't to be taken as the holy grail either. Financial interests (of sponsors) are often masked as "research" and statistics have always been a useful tool to play with people's minds. Unless, you come from a mathematics background (like I do) , I'd say you don't really know what you are talking about.
I'm glad that your proposed "celibacy" scheme works for you, but I beg to differ. My experience is totally different. Having a lot of sex during my life has made me a better lover and not diminished my capacity at all. Quite to the contrary. Having casual sex with a woman (for free) isn't a challenge. I wouldn't have to travel to Africa to achieve that. Proposing to lay prostitutes for free is just an absurdity.
You speak like someone who is terrified by the prospect of getting older. Well, let's give you a bit of consolation: you don't lose your power when you get older unless you live an unhealthy lifestyle. You were proposing sexual abstinence to cure your premature ejaculations. You won't be needing to do that when you get older, as you become a more relaxed person you will be able to go for hours too. In my personal experience I can say that I'm better at almost everything when compared to younger age, most certainly when it comes to enduranceNor me, nor my friends suffer from permanent premature ejaculations. The reason we exercised the jerk off experiment when we were very young was to postpone the orgasm or not have any at all. But that does not imply we were suffering from permanent premature ejaculations and needed a cure for it. However what I noticed was that due to having regular masturbation that I became less attractive to women. It's important to notice that I refer to masturbation here, not to sex, as based upon my experience in masturbation more energy is lost than in sex.
So the reason to start to experiment with celibacy was to become more attractive to women. And it works. Being celibate attracts more women than when you have a lot of sex or masturbation (here I'm referring to the two) based upon my experiences. It had nothing to do with ejaculations and your idea that celibacy even could solve a person with premature ejaculations is miles away from the truth. If you ever would have practiced celibacy for more than a few weeks you would realize that it would make you reach orgasm faster instead of slower the first times you have sex after a period of abstinence.
You talk about your experiences, but your experiences about what? Seems you only know and have experienced one side of the story and proclaim it as the truth. You probably never tried to live for long periods of celibacy and then compared the pro's and cons of to a lifestyle of long periods of sex / masturbation and draw conclusions.
Second I did not write that I have problems getting casual sex with women in Europe or that I need to go to Africa to get laid for free with girls as you seem to suggest. That's your interpretation. I go to MBA because I want to lay on the beach in the sunshine, party, and my eyes like African women and while I'm there I prefer not to pay for sex just like I don't do that in Europe either. However it must be said that both on holidays as well on non-holidays I like to seduce women, so yeah definitely while being on holidays I like to score women for free.
And no, I'm not afraid at all to become old.
Now I really wonder why do you go mongering in Africa. You mentioned before that the underlying motives of all girls there is desperation. I will ask you again, if that's true, then what are you doing in their arms? And do you consider your own actions (im)moral and why?
LustyHombre
08-23-12, 01:34
OK, between loads and I'm a little bored. I was 49 as well when I hit my current best in the PI and have since replicated once, last year with my current GF.
As they say, once you go black. (sorry, quality of pics not stellar) Lucky bastard, you! Chances are, the combination of Asian attention to detail and service-mindedness and an African physique is unbeatable.
Other than that : I might have good news for you since, if I remember correctly, I peaked only in my late 50's. Of course, living and eating healthy is important, and a good red wine is an important part of my diet.
Since then, I've had a prostate op which messed my sex life up for a few months before I discovered Vitamin V and its cousins. 10 yrs later, a 100mg Kamagra (Indian generic) 2 hra prior to an encounter (but only with proper mental and physical stimulation) gets me ready for a good non-stop 2 hr session, before I need some R&R.
LustyHombre
08-23-12, 04:36
I would like to restate that the strategy which I described and executed on my last trip was part of an experiment where the goal was to get a different girl each day without paying directly for sex. Off course the goal was self-gratification, I was not looking for love or long-term relationships, etc.
Explanation:
-WW, Thank you for taking the trouble to explain yourself.
I understand you much better now and realize that you are not simply a mean-spirited and totally selfish young man.
My interests are different, my station in life is completely different, but I surely appreciate the effort you are making in sharing your thoughts and experiences.
P. S. I wish somebody would have told me about the beneficial effects of celibacy and not masturbating 3 times a day 50 years ago! Too late for me now, unfortunately!
Bareback Jack
08-23-12, 08:38
You probably never tried to live for long periods of celibacyQuite right. I have no interest in even trying.
Now I really wonder why do you go mongering in AfricaKeep wondering!
You mentioned before that the underlying motives of all girls there is desperationNo I did not. I said that the reason why they asked you for money was probably out of desperation. This was an assumption, just like your statement that they are all acting out of greed is an assumption too.
I will ask you again, if that's true, then what are you doing in their arms? And do you consider your own actions (im)moral and why?Well I guess I just don't have it in my heart to say no if a beautiful girl asks me politely. If that's immoral I don't know. See, I don't try and seduce anyone over here, I really don't have to. Things just happen. I never talk about money. Not before and not after. I never make assumptions over motives and most of all I don't use the word "Malaya" to refer to a person. I simply let events unfold and I happen to be generous by nature.
Al-Shabab supporter' Aboud Rogo Mohammed killed in Kenya.
A Kenyan radical Islamist cleric has been killed in a drive-by shooting in the city of Mombasa.
Aboud Rogo Mohammed was on US and UN sanction lists for allegedly supporting Somalia's al-Shabab militants.
According to a UN report, he had helped al-Shabab obtain funding and new recruits. He was also facing charges of plotting attacks in Mombasa.
Following the killing, protests have erupted in Mombasa in which one person was killed and churches were attacked.
The highway from Mombasa to the tourist centre of Malindi was closed by tyre-burning protesters, before they were dispersed by police who fired tear gas.
Many businesses were closed, while streets normally full of shoppers and tourists were empty, reports Reuters news agency.
Business premises in Mombasa's central business area closed as panicky owners feared an escalation of the chaos.
Sheikh Rogo was killed on Monday in a drive-by shooting in Bamburi area, Mombasa, while taking his sick wife to hospital.
The deceased was facing charges of illegal possession of weapons. In the case, police said Mr Rogo was plotting attacks at a Catholic church, the Likoni Ferry and Nyali Bridge.
Mr Rogo was shot near the Pirates beach while driving a van that had six other passengers.
Read here:
BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19390888
The Nation:
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/1487982/-/y9mumkz/-/index.html
Group Fun.
Habari Rafiki,
I am in Mombasa for a few weeks Late Sept and Early Oct. I enjoy Parties, MMF and group sex. Nothing serious just good clean fun.
Anyone interested please get in touch.
Take Care.
Will be in Nairobi and Mombassa from mid October.
Please feed us with fresh news and updates.
Simply stupendous. Don't recall the hotel name I'm afraid. Mombasa Beach Hotel?
Will be in Nairobi and Mombassa from mid October.
Please feed us with fresh news and updates.Bondxx, it works the other way. You visit a place and either while you are there (preferred but not always possible or practical) or sometime soon after you return from there, you post a trip report of your experience (Harlequin romance novels are nice but most guys here prefer the facts and important "how to, where to, when to, what to" type of information. Before I embark upon any trip, I visit the forum and go back at least 5 years. Then I read forward taking note of hotel, transportation, day and night time hangout / pick up spots, types of girls and expected renumeration protocol. If it is a place where I am not fluent in local language (which happens to be anywhere English and Spanish are not spoken) , then I also take not of any translation guides. After all logistics are set, then I go armed with notes I have culled from the forum, and I do it in such a way that it is not traceable back to ISG.
Then I chart my path and have fun. The important thing to remember is that what tickles one mongers fancy may not be the same for another, and that the experience one monger had with a particular chica does not automatically guarantee you will have same or better experience just because you got her number. Some guys like MPs while others like escorts while others like red light night clubs while still others like picking up the random attractive lady met in passing on street, in cafe, in store, at a market, or in restaurant / hotel. And there are those who prefer going to places like brothels and SW venues where quicky sex is the intended goal. Use the forum as a guide and go explore and report back on your particular experience.
MarioMarengo
09-03-12, 23:56
Will be in Nairobi and Mombassa from mid October.
Please feed us with fresh news and updates.Everything very expensive, big danger with muslim terrorism.
Jiggy,
Thanks for the effort of your 2 chapters post explaining me how it works.
I guess it should work as well for new comers looking for a guidance from others.
So if anyone just got back from Kenya, I would appreciate his fresh updates to make my trip easy.
Jiggy,
Thanks for the effort of your 2 chapters post explaining me how it works.
I guess it should work as well for new comers looking for a guidance from others.
So if anyone just got back from Kenya, I would appreciate his fresh updates to make my trip easy.Hello Bondxx.
What exactly do you want to know? Kenya is probably one of the easiest countries in the world to find nice, affordable girls in. Most of them are also very into giving you the best possible experience.
My advice would be to tray to get some non-pro action, and the easiest way to do that is throught Afrointroductions. Com and Tagged. Start communicating with girls two weeks before your are going, and your adress book will be filled with easy targets. If you already are in Mombasa, you basically just need to forget your fear of rejection and start talking to any girl around you.
If you are serious about finding a girl friend, I might also assist you as my friend used to run a dating service. However those girls are not hookers.
You can not avoid getting laid in Kenya.
Good luck.
Al-Shabab supporter' Aboud Rogo Mohammed killed in Kenya.
A Kenyan radical Islamist cleric has been killed in a drive-by shooting in the city of Mombasa.
Aboud Rogo Mohammed was on US and UN sanction lists for allegedly supporting Somalia's al-Shabab militants.
According to a UN report...It was more interest to look it LIVE. Like my last weeck
Himbersaft
09-04-12, 17:05
Jiggy,
Thanks for the effort of your 2 chapters post explaining me how it works.
I guess it should work as well for new comers looking for a guidance from others.
So if anyone just got back from Kenya, I would appreciate his fresh updates to make my trip easy.Everytime the same with newbies, in different forum.
What you think Bondoxx? The world is created every 6 months?
The reality is: In the mongers place changes for a long time nothing.
The same Hotspot, the same prices, the same Hotels, the same pubs only the girls changes.
Same in the Forum. Same questions from the newbies.
Jiggydus show you the way to go.
I hope nobody is so stupid to answer you question
Thanks for your feedback Polar,
I see some people "newbiphobic" in here. LOL.
If you can tell me about a couple of places in mombassa and nairoba with semi pros and pros that would be nice from you.
Cheers
LustyHombre
09-05-12, 02:41
Simply stupendous. Don't recall the hotel name I'm afraid. Mombasa Beach Hotel?Yes, it's Mombasa Beach Hotel : totally run down, unfortunately (I guess bcs it's owned by some parastatal which has been set up to just siphon off funds and doesn't reinvest a penny) but surely a great location on Nyali Beach! Their beach bar is not a bad pick-up point, especially late afternoons.
LustyHombre
09-05-12, 03:05
Thanks for your feedback Polar,
I see some people "newbiphobic" in here. LOL.
If you can tell me about a couple of places in mombassa and nairoba with semi pros and pros that would be nice from you.
CheersBond XX : everybody on here was a newbie once. With other words : there is no shame attached to that status per se.
You grow beyond that by reading the forum, and reading some more (go back and check how JiggeD prepares for a new destination!) , and then by asking specific questions to clarify whatever might remain hazy.
What seems to ruffle feathers here (and actually on all the other boards I know as well) is if a newbie doesn't seem interested in investing any effort in working thru the last couple of years of reports but would rather be spoonfed somebody else's conclusions and recommendations, as necessarily personal as they always are. Remember : everybody is different and what tickles my fancy might be an absolute turnoff to somebody else.
Lastly, the considerate thing to do is to share your experiences after your trip in order to flatten the learning curve for the next new guy and maybe even to provide new insights for the benefit of the vets of the forum.
Now go out and have fun + be safe!
Their beach bar is not a bad pick-up point, especially late afternoons.Good to read this is still the case, had a couple of afternoon shags there myself. I recall there being about a dozen guests in the entire hotel. Eerie! Jack was not about. Remember the movie? Name escapes me. The Shining?
Hello Bondxx.
If you are serious about finding a girl friend, I might also assist you as my friend used to run a dating service. However those girls are not hookers.
You can not avoid getting laid in Kenya.
Good luck.I think we need to be candid about the situation as it is. Finding a Kenyan girlfriend on line or through a dating service will likely land one a hooker.
Member #4379
09-07-12, 19:47
As long as there is this accepted African practice of the sugar daddy who gives sugar / money in exchange for sex, there will always be this. University students are the best example where they expect to receive money in return for offering sex. At the same time they will then use that money to spend with their boyfriends. Only the extremely wealthy students can avoid having sex with a sugar daddy and their real daddies given them enough cash. Luckily, this is changing in African countries that have rid themselves of 'dicktators'. Only 7 countries but it's a start.
I think we need to be candid about the situation as it is. Finding a Kenyan girlfriend on line or through a dating service will likely land one a hooker.
DylanGerman
09-08-12, 18:05
As long as there is this accepted African practice of the sugar daddy who gives sugar / money in exchange for sex, there will always be this. University students are the best example where they expect to receive money in return for offering sex. At the same time they will then use that money to spend with their boyfriends. Only the extremely wealthy students can avoid having sex with a sugar daddy and their real daddies given them enough cash. Luckily, this is changing in African countries that have rid themselves of 'dicktators'. Only 7 countries but it's a start.Dicktators LOL
Member #4379
09-09-12, 16:44
Yes, two words cause every dick-tator has one.
Dicktators LOL
A reminder of what these embicles are capable of. Take care Gentlemen in Kenya. One not be afraid of criminals, but beware the Cops.
http://m.dailymail.co.uk/mobile/news/article.html?articleID=2148727
Member #4178
09-30-12, 15:33
A reminder of what these embicles are capable of. Take care Gentlemen in Kenya. One not be afraid of criminals, but beware the Cops.Not only that the Muslim starts making Riots, Al-Qaida is very active, Kenyan army fights in somalia and if you will make a slight mistake the kilifi court will send you to prison for nothing. Thefts from hotel rooms are a norm.
The best thing is to be invisible change SIM cards and hotels often and never fight with a girl or other tourist. Better to pay to police then to go tocourt or just run away. Never give the passport to police you will never get it back.
In summary: I miss Kenya but afraid to go back. Thailand is my second home now.
Member #4364
09-30-12, 18:46
Gentlemen; I was so many times in Kenya; never had problems.
Flight booked; mid of March untill mid of April.
Apartmentinfo in Mtwapa or behind Nakumatt is welcome.
Member #4178
09-30-12, 20:38
Gentlemen; I was so many times in Kenya.
Apartment info in Mtwapa or behind Nakumatt is welcome.Discussed to death already! Beside you have been in mombasa so many times so you should know.
LustyHombre
10-01-12, 06:08
Gentlemen; I was so many times in Kenya; never had problems.
Flight booked; mid of March untill mid of April.
Apartmentinfo in Mtwapa or behind Nakumatt is welcome.You are right, you should expect not to have any prob's, in Kenya or anywhere else for that matter, under normal circumstances.
BUT you practically invite trouble if you are drunk or under the influence of other substances in public. Fight with a girl, or make yourself an easy mark in any other way. Remember, there are always vultures looking out for soft targets (especially in places like Big Tree )!
And avoid any contact with the police, or if you can't then cut it short and pay up. You can only get your way with them if you know one of the higher ups (unlikely, unless you live here. In either case, you pay).
Member #4364
10-01-12, 18:45
Lusty; agree. But I never catch a girl drunk or late night. In Mombasa you can find beautiful.
Sisters at the beach or in town.
I'm non-drinker; and after 10 pm it's very hard to find a hottie which is not drunk.
In all heard stories I found out that there was something before.
Big Tree was 2003 a paradise; I know the situation now.
My last one's brother (maybe her husband) was police officer; they never made something.
Against me.
John; YES. But I was in Malindi, Diani, M-City aso. So this time I remarked my favourite place;
Mtwapa is growing more and more; so maybe a member has a special new info.
Cheers
LustyHombre
10-05-12, 02:36
Why is this place soooo dead?
Is there no mongering going on anymore, or is it all " same old, same old " (as is the case with me )? Guys, don't be selfish! Share your experiences, please.
For example : where has all the night action shifted to, now that Tembo is no more? Or what is the lowdown on Elixir, the new massage place in Nyali near the Army base?
Or is admitting to have overpaid for services the only way to stir up a discussion on the forum these days, LOL?
Member #4364
10-05-12, 19:25
Gentlemen; I booked the Luck apartments in Mtwapa; hope a
good decision. 2 nd floor; 65 sqm, balcony, kitchen and DSTV.
Cheers
Member #4178
10-05-12, 20:29
Gentlemen; I booked the Luck apartments in Mtwapa.
Cheers
Flight booked; mid of March untill mid of April6 month ahead?
The owner is Italian, price can be reduced to half from his initial offer.
Good luck while we can't wait to read your first trip report.
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